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Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 10, 2006, 12:06:55 AM
Better get this started before the Armagh lads get here and flood the site with threads about Armagh ground, Armagh u12 champioship, Armagh club toilets & Armagh long kick competition.

Can you fill in the rest as we go on or correct any mistakes?

DOWN ROLL OF HONOUR 2006

SFC:

Winners:  Mayobridge
Runners-Up: Burren

IFC:

Winners: Drumgath
Runners-Up: Atticall

JFC:

Winners: Bredagh
Runners-Up: Teconnaught

ACFL Division 1:

Winners:  Burren
Runners-Up:   Longstone

Relegated: 
Relegated: Shamrocks

ACFL Division 2:

Winners: 
Runners-Up: 

Relegated:  Saul
Relegated: Glenn

ACFL Division 3:

Winners: 
Runners-Up: 

Relegated: Aghaderg
Relegated: Drumaness

ACFL Division 4:

Winners: Bredagh
Runners-Up: St Paul's

ACPRL Division 1:
Winners:
Runners-Up:

Relegated: 
Relegated:

ACPRL Division 2:
Winners: 
Runners-Up:

PRFC:
Winners: Kilcoo
Runners-Up: Burren

RFC:
Winners: Burren
Runners-Up: Liatroim

MFC:

'A' Competition:
 Winners: Castlewellan
Runners-Up: An Ríocht

'B' Competition:
Winners: Clonduff
Runners-Up: Longstone

U16  FC
'A' Competition
Winners
Runners Up

'B' Competition
Winners
Runners Up

U14  FC
'A' Competition
Winners:  Glenn
Runners Up;  Kilcoo

'B' Competition
Winners: Warrenpoint
Runners Up: Liatroim

SHC
Winners: Portaferry
Runners Up: Ballycran

IHC
Winners: Liatroim
Runners Up: Ballycran

JHC
Winners: Ballyvarley
Runners Up: Bredagh

ACHL Division 1
Winners: Ballycran
Runners Up: Portaferry

ACHL Division 2
Winners: Newry Shamrocks
Runners Up: Ballygalget

MHC
'A' Competition
Winners
Runners Up

'B' Competition
Winners
Runners Up

U16  HC
'A' Competition
Winners: Ballygalget
Runners Up: Portaferry

'B' Competition
Winners
Runners Up

U14  HC
'A' Competition
Winners: Portaferry
Runners Up: Ballycran

'B' Competition
Winners: Bredagh
Runners Up: Kilclief



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on November 10, 2006, 02:52:09 AM
Have just checked the members register,too see if all the Down men made it over. We seem to have left The Gael behind. Could some-one go back and get him, before the inner circle seize control of this board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 10, 2006, 10:36:29 AM
ACFL Div 2

Winners:  An Ríocht
Runners-Up:  Attical
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 10, 2006, 10:52:42 AM
Sams , how did you get the crest on your posts ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 10, 2006, 11:05:18 AM
Go into your profile, go through all the options and where it gives you the option to insert a picture check the "I have my own pic" option and copy the url of the crest from a site on the internet...I got this from wikipedia...http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b8/Downnewcrest.jpg
Title: Mayobridge in Ulster
Post by: Fear Boirche on November 10, 2006, 11:54:49 AM
Lads,
What chance have the 'Bridge of finally cracking Ulster this year? Hear that Muldoon's a doubt for B'derry, but that could just be crap. They certainly have the forwards, but weren't tested in Down this year. What do they need to do differently this year (besides go off the drink ::)?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 10, 2006, 12:00:54 PM
test
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 10, 2006, 12:29:06 PM
The Sky Blues couldn't have got a tougher opener than against the Derry champions, but they can make it a whole lot easier on themselves if they play their own game.

Mayobridge's biggest problem on Sunday could, unusually, be discipline. Ballinderry are one of the few teams that have really really rattled their cage over the past decade, and there's a fair amount of bad blood between the players. If the 'Bridge can forget that it's Ballinderry they're playing, don't look for personal battles, don't turn the game into a war, and instead enter the game with the arrogance with which they play in the Down Championship, I reckon they'll get through with a couple to spare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 10, 2006, 12:31:24 PM
5 Sams - i think An Riocht & Attical are playing off tomorrow for Div 2 title. Daft, I know, but that's what's happening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 10, 2006, 12:36:38 PM
You could be right Lecale...I lost all interest after last week :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 10, 2006, 12:43:03 PM
Welcome to the new board lads.  Lecale cheers for starting the thread, you can take the heat from the Co. Board for everything thats written here!  :)

The Muldoon injury is a complete hoax started by some fella Muguckan in the Poly. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDunYeGo on November 10, 2006, 12:47:40 PM
AnRiocht and Attical are playin in Ballymartin on sunday, sure they're both up anyway

still no sign of thegael (apparently he takes no prisoners) :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 10, 2006, 02:08:54 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 10, 2006, 12:29:06 PM
Mayobridge's biggest problem on Sunday could, unusually, be discipline. Ballinderry are one of the few teams that have really really rattled their cage over the past decade, and there's a fair amount of bad blood between the players. If the 'Bridge can forget that it's Ballinderry they're playing, don't look for personal battles, don't turn the game into a war, and instead enter the game with the arrogance with which they play in the Down Championship, I reckon they'll get through with a couple to spare.

I don't think discipline will be a problem as long as the Bridge are in the game.  Mickey is death on discipline and has been driving it home to the players all year about how important it is.  There have been lapses but its been generally better this year.   This could be third time lucky against Ballinderry for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on November 10, 2006, 02:10:44 PM
hopefully it is third time lucky mallon.  hope the maghera pitch isn't too soft on sunday.  are you gettin bus to match or driving?
Title: GOOD LUCK
Post by: ITOB on November 10, 2006, 02:14:50 PM
Good luck to Mayobridge, Drumgath and Bredagh on Sunday representing the county in Ulster.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 10, 2006, 02:19:43 PM
Best wishes to Drumgath and Bredagh as well.  Bredagh have a fair chance, but Drumgath are really up against it.  I hear Belcoo are very strong and that the Drumgath camp may have internal issues to resolve. 

BridgeGael: I'm driving.  Don't like having too much beer before a Bridge game, one of the Bridge's best ever performances (Blaney in Clones) is a mere blur to me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 10, 2006, 02:26:13 PM
Just like 2 wish an roicht and atticall all the best 4 nxt year.
Also good luck 2 all down clubs in ulster this weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fear Boirche on November 10, 2006, 02:49:59 PM
Yes, good luck to the Down clubs.. and Bredagh ;D
Title: Where's ross?
Post by: passedit on November 10, 2006, 02:56:00 PM
Has he made it accross here yet? I want to quiz him about the fact that he appears to have asked every big fcuker in the county (regardless of age)  to trials apart from me  >:(

I hear Magic wasnt the only hurler asked, maybe he should try some of the Ulster rugby boys as well.  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 10, 2006, 05:19:43 PM
Yip

all the best to the Bredagh seniors and to the U16s Hurlers who play the Duff in the B championship.

whoooohooo a spellchecker
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on November 10, 2006, 08:46:57 PM
Best wishes to Drumgath on sunday   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: playdough on November 10, 2006, 09:51:23 PM
Good luck to all our representatives this weekend. We could do with some progress to improve our current standing in Ulster. >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on November 10, 2006, 11:33:33 PM
Well people

This is my first time on the board (old or new) and would also like to wish our county representatives all the best for the weekend.
I would also like to wish Bryansford good luck for Sunday and hope they do my own club a favour!
Title: Welcome Cloneman
Post by: ITOB on November 11, 2006, 12:07:16 PM
Hello and welcome.
Are you still living at home or exiled to Belfast?

I too wish the Clonefrom tomorrow's result.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Guillem2 on November 11, 2006, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: ITOB on November 11, 2006, 12:07:16 PM


I too wish the Clonefrom tomorrow's result.


Weird!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Flat Hedgehog on November 11, 2006, 05:37:02 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 10, 2006, 05:19:43 PM

all the best to the Bredagh seniors and to the U16s Hurlers who play the Duff in the B championship.

Good luck to the Carryduff u16s who play Bredagh in the Hurling Championship B final. They've done well to get to the final let's hope they can go one step further and win it. Mickey & Donal deserve a great deal of credit for all the hard work they put in to coach hurling in Carryduff, an area with no hurling tradition.  In a couple of years we'll be fielding at adult level. On another note, why was this match fixed for Ballela. Bringing 2 teams from North Down away down to Ballela for a 12.00 throw in is mad. Why not Holywood or the 2 clubs could have tossed for home advantage. Oh sorry, I forgot, Bredagh don't have a home any more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on November 11, 2006, 08:27:07 PM
I see on another website that people already have Liatroim relegated and in Division 2.  Would love to see it mainly because I think Annaclone deserve to stay up.  Think there will be a big crowd in Hilltown.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 11, 2006, 09:31:16 PM
Flat, i totally agree about the venue for the match, surely there are closer places, could see much of a problem about playing it in Cherryvale, afterall Bredagh don't have a home so it would be the perfect natural venue ;). Wish Gerry, Danny and all the Bredagh boys all the best for the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 11, 2006, 10:03:19 PM
The Bredagh lads are well prepared for both the Ulster JFC and the u16 hurling final. I expect a Bredagh double tomorrow.
Flat Hedgehog
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 11, 2006, 10:22:14 PM
Fear Boirche- are you the gael in disguise? My bitter and twisted detector is twitching.Bredagh are  a proud County Down club doing a great job with no pitch and arseholes like the hedgehog to contend with. I'm a fear boirche myself and we need every club and player we can get at the moment. Wonder where Ross and DJ will be tomorrow ?
Title: Dubh driocht
Post by: ITOB on November 12, 2006, 11:12:14 AM
Donbe fooled. Hedgehog  really loves Bredagh and is a member also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 12, 2006, 03:10:29 PM
Would East Down Gael catch a grip of himself and stop annoying people on the Dundrum guestbook. What I say is my opinion and not a chip on my shoulder. Jaysus Christ, will ya just get over it.You MUST have something more important to do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 12, 2006, 04:54:07 PM
i am not the east down gael posting on dundrums website or any other for that matter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 12, 2006, 05:04:48 PM
liatroim won by three today, thank christ, draw made, clone play ford next week, winners stay up and losers play us to see who goes down!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on November 12, 2006, 06:03:50 PM
Thought this might have been a better game with so much at stake.  Liatroim were really up for it and this was evident from the first 5 minutes.  Young Brannigan had a bagful of chances for Bryansford but failed to take any of them.  Peter Travers kept them in the game with a number of crucial saves (hope he gets another go with the county as he is one of the most consistent keepers about).  Alot of added time played but Bryansford still couldn't get the vital scores.  Good win for Liatroim who will probably stay up if they keep playing like this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 12, 2006, 07:18:32 PM
The Bridge were a disgrace today. Apart from Gavin Barry , none looked interested . I'm not from the Bridge but they let down their parish and thier county .Should have gone to see Drumgath- I hear they put up a good fight.Well done to Bredagh - our last one standing in football or hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 12, 2006, 08:35:36 PM
The Mayobridge result was a pretty grim indication of the task facing Ross Carr as our new county manager. The Bridge have been the best team in Down for the last six or seven years and about half their players have featured at county level during that period. In managing a single point in the course of an entire match today,they probably produced the worst performance by a team from Down or possibly anywhere else in the history of the Ulster club championship. Ross is going to have to find quite a few new faces who are physically strong enough to play county football.

The only good news for Down football today was Bredagh's display in hammering Drum from Derry in the junior club championship. Drum looked very poor, but for Bredagh to score 5-13 on a heavy pitch was still quite an achievement.  Contrary to some suggestions on this board, Bredagh do have some decent home-grown young players. However, they are more likely to make an impact at u21 than senior level. Bredagh also won the u16 B hurling championship today, beating Carryduff in the final, so the club is in reasonable shape in both codes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 12, 2006, 08:47:51 PM
Mourne Rover

totally agree about Bredagh, the youth policy will start paying dividends in the near future for both codes, we need to consolidate our division three status next season and take it from there. Our five goals were scored by home grown talent and 3 of the 5 subs used were minors.

also well done to the U16s who beat Carryduff in the u16 B Hurling championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on November 12, 2006, 10:55:18 PM
Anyone hear the darragh / ardglass result?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 13, 2006, 08:34:36 AM
Darragh won by 3 pts some intresting refereeing decisions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 13, 2006, 08:40:22 AM
Results
                                       
FL Div 1 Relegation Play-Off            
Bryansford    2-06 1-11 Liatroim       
                                       
FL Div 2 Promotion Play-Off             
An Riocht     0-12 1-04 Atticall       
                                       
FL Div 3 Promotion Play-Off             
Ardglass      1-11 3-07 Darragh Cross 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 13, 2006, 10:32:03 AM
I take it that means Darragh Cross and Banbridge are promoted?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 13, 2006, 10:38:48 AM
Yeah it does. It looks like we're set for the toughest Division II in a long, long time next season.

Annaclone, Liatroim or Bryansford
Shamrocks
Warrenpoint
Ballyholland
Saval
Downpatrick
Ballymartin
Glassdrumman
Kliclief
Carryduff
Darragh Cross
Banbridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football/playoffs etc
Post by: 6th sam on November 13, 2006, 11:25:43 AM
Interesting that Down's only success at Ulster club level this year were Bredagh-the only club not involved in league playoffs.Drumgath outstanding in Down IFC,must have been demotivated by their playoff defeats going into yesterday's encounter.The fact that  playoffs will continue to late November,with McKenna cup starting in January hardly helps burnout risk ,in players like Liam Doyle.Annaclone,Ballyholland etc.,have consistently proved that they're worthy of playing in the higher echelons,but how can they develop as a club ,if their seasons ultimately depend on playoffs every November.Championship is almost relegated to second place competition,in many quarters.Surely,these facts need to be examined by the county board,to optimise club development,revitalise our championships,and to give Ross his strongest hand.Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 13, 2006, 11:40:38 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 12, 2006, 08:35:36 PM
The Mayobridge result was a pretty grim indication of the task facing Ross Carr as our new county manager. The Bridge have been the best team in Down for the last six or seven years and about half their players have featured at county level during that period. In managing a single point in the course of an entire match today,they probably produced the worst performance by a team from Down or possibly anywhere else in the history of the Ulster club championship. Ross is going to have to find quite a few new faces who are physically strong enough to play county football.

The only good news for Down football today was Bredagh's display in hammering Drum from Derry in the junior club championship. Drum looked very poor, but for Bredagh to score 5-13 on a heavy pitch was still quite an achievement.  Contrary to some suggestions on this board, Bredagh do have some decent home-grown young players. However, they are more likely to make an impact at u21 than senior level. Bredagh also won the u16 B hurling championship today, beating Carryduff in the final, so the club is in reasonable shape in both codes.

Maybe it's time that the football clubs started asking questions about the success or lack of success and how coaching in general is rolled out within the county. If it's the same haphazard approach that's used in the hurling then we as a county are on a hiding to nothing and really light years away from the better organised counties with that gap growing every year.
A wholesale review of how this county is structured and organised is well overdue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 13, 2006, 04:35:55 PM
bump & merge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 13, 2006, 05:46:46 PM
made it in....nice board, so far so good.

the bridge result was shocking yesterday, i cant believe the second half performance was quite so bad. it doesnt create the best impression of our club level v other counties out there. mind you, it may keep the expectation in check for the forthcoming intercounty series...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Flat Hedgehog on November 13, 2006, 05:53:41 PM
Can anyone post the u21 championship results from yesterday? I know Carryduff beat St Pauls easy enough.
That was a shocking scoreline for Mayobridge. Hard to believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDunYeGo on November 13, 2006, 06:20:43 PM
Do you see that idiot 'thegael' has set up his own official down thread, just a sad man ::)



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and apparently he still takes no prisoners   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on November 13, 2006, 06:23:21 PM
not hard to believe flat!  beat by better team. no excuses.  mickey resigned after match.  wonder who will tak over????????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 13, 2006, 07:22:30 PM
it is the time now for the co board to enter the senior champions into the ulster intermediate championship!


the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on November 13, 2006, 07:28:05 PM
is it now the time for you to go fcuk yourself??  as i said before div 2 football in down doesn't make you a know all on down football.!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 13, 2006, 08:21:40 PM
i like many down gaels are disgusted by the fact the bridge couldn't score from play yesterday 1pt all day.

it is a reflection of the state we are in!

we are in the doldrums.

why?drink and arrogance.

the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 13, 2006, 09:23:38 PM
Gael just out of curiosity, and i know i am going to regret this, but just how would a drinks ban be enforced? if its built upon "if you see someone drinking tell the manager" surely this will only bring about mistrust, discontent, infighting, people telling lies on eachother to even up scores, anarchy and the total distruction of the club from within. If its self imposed and they drink, do they flog themselves or what. Are  you actually stating that if there was a total ban on drinking from the players that this would have had a major bearing on the result? If so what are you basing this on, fact, fiction or hearsay?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 14, 2006, 10:25:09 AM
This just confirms one thing the county management must take a look at ALL teams/players throughout the county and hopefully uncover a few rough diamonds to bring our once glorious county back to where it should be at the top table.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 14, 2006, 10:27:55 AM
Please stop this rough diamond talk. Even the roughest of diamonds stands out at club football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 14, 2006, 11:27:25 AM
I'd like to wish Mickey Linden the best.  I know how much he wanted that Ulster Club championship as player and then as manager but it wasn't to be.  I don't think some in the Bridge realize how blessed we are to have had Mickey in our club.

I wonder who will be the man to replace him?  The only name I've heard so far is Barney McAleenan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 14, 2006, 11:41:44 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 14, 2006, 10:27:55 AM
Please stop this rough diamond talk. Even the roughest of diamonds stands out at club football.
Agree to a point ,wobbler.But do county players stand out in club football in their own right,or is it because they have benefitted from the intense coaching,training and lifestyle management which they should receive as part of a county squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: courtneyboy on November 14, 2006, 12:33:35 PM
rough diamonds is the right approach!

i'm sure there are players in the lower divisions if given exposure to the professional setup that the county team enjoy could become good inter county players.
as long as they don't just get invited to a trial and bye bye you got your chance.
there has to be potential county players in the lower divisions and they must be given their chances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 14, 2006, 12:47:50 PM
For the life of me, I don't see how anyone could realistically suggest that an unknown quantity from the lower leagues could develop into a county player if trained to county standards.

County football requires a balance of skill, athleticism and dedication that although can be honed by intense training, still requires natural levels that are simply way beyond most players. Players don't improve because happen to be on the county team, rather they improve because they have the basic tools and on top of that want to be on their county team.

Truth is, a player capable of making county minor standard would stand out like a sore thumb in the lower leagues, let alone a player capable of playing county senior. Let's be honest, more than a few teams have made it into Division II over the years on the back of being carried by just two or three players genuinely capable of playing at Division I level, nevermind capable of playing higher than that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 14, 2006, 02:51:30 PM
QuoteLet's be honest, more than a few teams have made it into Division II over the years on the back of being carried by just two or three players genuinely capable of playing at Division I level, nevermind capable of playing higher than that.

I do believe there are ears burning in our clubrooms!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 14, 2006, 09:58:07 PM
so the senior trials are to be held this week (Weds & Thurs) i think aswell as this sat & sunday.

could be interesting enough.

Title: thewobbler
Post by: wobbller on November 14, 2006, 10:35:12 PM
 While trying to understand your point of view,I have to ask you, do you think that County footballers are only born into the parishes of Div 1 clubs and that children born to recently relegated Div 1 team's lose their right to play County football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: courtneyboy on November 14, 2006, 11:32:13 PM
thewobbler is talking utter tripe about county footballers if he had his way we would all know our senior county team each year.he is a deluded clown with too much to say and that is being charitable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 15, 2006, 02:51:23 AM
jesus lads a wee bit of respect for the longer and much more informative members of the board wouldnt go a miss!!

i can see where ye's are both coming from but i dont expect to see to many (if any) hidden talent recovered from div 3/4 and not a pile from div 2 that we havnt already known about!

no need for the personal attacks! ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 15, 2006, 09:58:12 AM
Loving the personal attacks lads.

Wobller (nice handle by the way) - no I don't think at all that county players only come from Division I. My point is this, people keep talking about rough diamonds, but the truth is if you ask anyone familiar with Divisions III and IV to name players who might be able to step up to county standard, the same names will always pop up i.e. Stephen Kearney, Paul McComiskey, Kevin Anderson, Declan Lavery, Niall Mulholland, Mark Rooney, Marcus Miskelly, Dan McCabe, Jackie Lynch, Packie Downey. Something all those players have in common is they've all worn the red and black at minor, under-21 or senior level already. They aren't diamonds in the rough, they are players with a lot of talent and a reasonably high profile in the county. Most of them are still very young, but if they continue to play football, all will come under some sort of consideration at county level over the next few years.

The way some fellas are talking you would think that the lower leagues are full of players who have been shit upon by poor coaching and by playing at a poor standard. This isn't the case. The lower leagues are full of players who simply aren't as good at football as players in the higher divisions. That's what a league structure determines.

I guarantee you now that the standard of the top six teams in the ACPRL is a cut above the standard of Division III. There are players playing at the ACPRL standard who apart from being talented, are bloody committed, and would look like bonafide superstars in Divisions III and IV, yet they can't get a senior game for their clubs. Yet people want to tell me that there are 'rough diamonds' all over the lower leagues?

Imagine/Courtneyboy - rather than call me a deluded clown or a nut for having this opinion, try changing my mind by bringing some names forward. There is a lot of shite talk in our county about bias East vs South and bias top clubs vs small clubs, but it isn't in anyone's interests to let a good player slip through the net. And not many do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football:wobbler/wobller
Post by: 6th sam on November 15, 2006, 10:55:00 AM
Settle yourselves lads!
FACT:Wobbler is right,county players require high standards of skill,athleticism and attitude to achieve.But these are all areas which can be improved in any individual.
FACT:Pace however is  one essential  quality for elite players, where there is little room for improvement,and any club team,no matter what league will only have a handful of players with the pace required for county football.That natural pace is a rare commodity,but exists among some lower league players.If these players have the attitude,and raw pace/athleticism,then they could become senior stars.To be fair most of these players will have come to the attention of minor selectors etc.,already.
FACT:The vast majority of county senior players come from the rural clubs within a 15 mile radius of Slieve Donard-a very romantic notion,but surely a county of our population has to try to widen the net.In terms of population we're a sleeping giant!
FACT:there has been a perception of Bias out there,with little justification in my view.But the county trials means that that myth can be buried,and the support from the whole of the county can therefore be harnessed.
FACT:Wobbler,you have always made some excellent points,but your jealous guarding of the status quo makes me wonder are you actually a member of the "inner circle"--Joking!,I don't want to trigger another wave of paranoia.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 15, 2006, 11:26:17 AM
I think we all want to believe that there is a few rough diamonds out there , maybe there is time will tell . I think the greatest fear would be that we head into the league with exactly the same squad as we have had over the last 4 years . I don't think the new Mgt. team could get anymore out of them than POR did (IMO). I think the trials are a good start and if a few new names are thrown into the mix all the better . Did Donegal not have a massive squad going into the Mckenna cup last year ?  everyone was given a chance to pull on the county jersey and give it a rattle maybe we could look at that .
Title: how about some real issues
Post by: behind the wire on November 15, 2006, 12:51:09 PM
how about talking about some real issues in the world of down gaa?
has anyone got an opinion on the behaviour of the ardglass team in the so called 'game' on sunday? one darragh player has been left with a broken jaw and the abuse suffered by darragh forward marcus miskelly was ridiculous. the referee was the weakest i have ever seen, i think he was afraid of the ardglass players. they were simply allowed to do what they liked. i am not from darragh, nor do i know any of their players, i was simply at the match as a neutral spectator. i must commend darragh's dicipline throughout the game, they tried their best not to get involved and are a very good football team.

this begs the question, what do the county board be thinking when they appoint referees. they know that any matches involving ardglass usually involve trouble (as can be seen in their previous two matches against darragh and clann na banna) yet they sent weak referees to both., why why why?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on November 15, 2006, 03:53:55 PM
Thats a good question "behind the wire".I was at the darragh v drumgath playoff game & the standard of refereeing was terrible.surely at this stage of the season the county board should be appointing their more accomplished referees to officiate at these games,and why are they not ???
Title: U-21 football management
Post by: johnneycool on November 16, 2006, 10:33:59 AM
From Hogan stand:

Pete McGrath takes over Down U21's
Ireland manager Pete McGrath
16 November 2006

Former Down All-Ireland winning team-manager and the Mourne counties most successful manager, Peter McGrath has been handed the reigns of the county's U21 football team.

The Rostrevor clubman who guided Down to Sam Maguire wins in 1991 and 1994 was appointed as Down U21 Manager at the Down County Boards November meeting held on Wednesday night in Newcastle.

McGrath who guided Down Club An Riocht to the Division two title last Sunday and back to the premier division is a former Irish International Rules manager.

The Mourne County won an All-Ireland MFC in 2005 and will have high hopes for their 2007 U21 side.



Don't know much about Pete's training regime in recent years but will he have these lads running up Tullymore forest park like he used to with his teams or has he moved with the times?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 16, 2006, 01:46:22 PM
http://www.anriocht.com/anriocht/photolibrary/2006/feb/seniors5th/photos.htm

"will he have these lads running up Tullymore forest park like he used to with his teams or has he moved with the times?"

Going by the photos on the An Riocht sites there'll be running up mountains alright.  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 16, 2006, 01:51:46 PM
They looked shattered, i would be too if I had to push that big stone up as well!! :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 16, 2006, 01:52:37 PM
Great photos, the boy in the Celtic top has a similar attitude to my own!

Pete's training methods certainly don't seem to have changed much in the last 20 years.
Title: Ulster Championships
Post by: Square Ball on November 16, 2006, 07:20:46 PM
All the best to the Bredagh team for Sunday as they take on Naoimh Brid in the semi final at Clones.

BREDAGH ABU
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 17, 2006, 11:40:21 AM
Master McGrath to feed seniors 
Gaelic Games 
By Seamus Maloney 

PETE McGrath says his job as new Down U21 manager is to bring the county success at that level, as well as helping usher in a new era for the Mourne senior team.

McGrath, who managed Down to All-Ireland senior success in 1991 and 1994, takes over from '91 winning captain Paddy O'Rourke, who was succeeded as senior boss by Ross Carr. McGrath, who has had stints in club management as well as Irish International Rules manager since resigning as Mourne senior boss in 2002, also revealed the lure of his native county was too strong to resist.

"Since I resigned from the Down senior team, quite a number of counties at different times have made offers and were keen to speak to me, but that love you have for your own county is special. It's hard to beat working with your own people," he said.

"When the county secretary approached me with a view to managing the U21s I had no hesitation accepting because it's a different challenge.

"It's a fresh challenge for me, though I did manage the U21s in the 90s along with the senior team. I was attracted by the prospect of working with Down players again, and working with younger players, which I hadn't done for quite a while.

"The U21 team is a feeder to the senior team, and with the new senior management in place, I think it's widely accepted that Down need fresh blood in their senior squad, and they were just keen to maybe have someone with experience undertake the role."

O'Rourke led Down to the All-Ireland U21 final last year, but the Mourne county have struggled at that level in recent years. McGrath wants to improve on their record, but is also intent on working closely with Carr to bridge the gap between minor and senior football.

"I spoke to Ross and he's delighted that I've taken up the offer. Senior trials are going ahead without U21 players, and I think he's going to leave that side of it to me to try to identify the U21 players who could be of senior potential, while he will concentrate on players above that age group.

"With things up-and-running, it would be important to work very closely with the senior management team because I'm sure at some stage there will be an overlap."

The U21 team McGrath takes charge of is likely to be backboned by the All-Ireland minor winning team of 2004, along with some 'veterans' of the 2004 U21 campaign.

However, McGrath also sees the potential for players who may not have featured at minor level to come through, perhaps ultimately to senior level.

"They are a few of that U21 team of 2004 still underage, and there's the successful minor team from 2004.

"There is a healthy crop of talent and I think it's essential that those players gain vital experience at this level by getting a decent run in the competition.

"As well as that, I think it's important to cast the net very wide. Quite often at that age you find players aren't missed, it's just that they aren't ready for county minor football.

"But then, between 17 and 19, or even up to 20, players can develop and improve an awful lot, and develop physically, so they can be more suited to play county football at 20 than they were at 17 or 18.

"So, it's important that players who are in that category aren't overlooked, it's important that we have a process to unearth talent that has developed in the interim, for the U21 team and to possibly develop further."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on November 17, 2006, 12:32:12 PM
I'd a bit of bother transfering across to this board.
Any word on the county convention? Any clubs putting up motions? Who's standing for the various positions.
Does Kevin Bell have more support than Jerry Quinn in the race to be Chairman?  There may be another strong candidate.
Seamus Walsh is going for County Secretary. He's done a very good job with fixtures since he took the job on.
Dermot Stewart is standing down as hurling fixtures secretary. He's done a good job too.
Brian McAvoy is standing down as hurling chairman.
Diamuid Cahill is "concidering his position" as PRO due to work commitments.

Shamrocks are putting forward a motion to restructure the IHC into a round robin competition. Any other news/rumours?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 17, 2006, 01:10:45 PM
God Bacon you must feel better geting that lot off your chest
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 17, 2006, 03:18:22 PM
"As well as that, I think it's important to cast the net very wide.
Just how wide pete cast's his net will be intresting to see!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on November 17, 2006, 05:55:03 PM
To be honest, I'm just not sure about Mc Grath.  While there is no doubting what he did in the past, all was not well with An Riocht at the end of the season.  Quite a number of guys left during the year with one actually training/managing Ballymartin since the Summer.  Hope his training methods have changed because I never encountered such uninteresting, predictable, monotonous and boring drills like I did at the College.

Any word on how the senior trials went last night?  What about Magic?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on November 18, 2006, 12:25:43 PM
Any predictions for Annaclone v Bryansford & Darragh Cross v Clan na Banna this weekend ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 18, 2006, 08:28:46 PM
bryansford won and so stay up!liatroim clone next weekend i think!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on November 19, 2006, 11:59:03 AM
Well done Bryansford. It would have been bad luck it you had been relegated this year. Its down to one game between Liatroim and Annaclone. Liatroim should have too much for their neighbours.
Good luck to Bredagh this afternoon in Clones, Down's only remaining contender in Ulster. The whole county is behind you (except Flat Hedgehog and No 1).
Title: U-21's
Post by: DownFanatic on November 19, 2006, 03:47:18 PM
East Down U-21 A Championship Quarter Final

Naomh Seosamh (Ballykinlar, Dundrum, Aughlisnafin)  0-05
v
Cnoc Ni Drinn (Loughinisland, Teconnaught, Downpatrick) 0-14


Anybody got any more U-21 results from today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on November 19, 2006, 03:57:09 PM
Shows how sorry the state of Gaelic games is when it takes a combination of Loughinisland/Downpatrick and a lesser extent Teconnaught be able to put a team together.  Did these clubs not have Minor teams in the last few years and what are they doing to keep them involved.  Not looking good for the future if they cant put their own team on the field, never mind taking 3 clubs to make a team.
Title: U-21's
Post by: DownFanatic on November 19, 2006, 04:11:40 PM
Cloc Mor, I think there is a big problem with lads in this age section in Downpatrick. A lot of them have gone to Uni across the water while the majority of them have slipped away to the soccer. Downpatrick really have to look at themselves in regards to this. Loughinisland basically played about 6 of their Senior players against us today. Again it looks like they are struggling for numbers. Suprisingly enough Teconnaught, out of these 3 clubs, would have the most players at U-21 level and probably if pushed could of went it alone.
In regards to the Dundrum, Ballykinlar and Aughlisnafin amalgamation we dont seem to have any problem with numbers. I think we have about 17 Dundrum lads, about 8 Ballykinlar ones and around 4 from the Finn all between 18-21. This competition is a great learning curve for our three clubs and it keeps us ticking over for the next month or so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football - U21 Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on November 19, 2006, 04:48:42 PM
I sympathise the the plight of clubs trying to get a team together at this time of year.  Keeping lads on board is a major problem, especially with this age group where social activities take precedence over football.  Its a bad time for this competition but and to be honest think its an absolute waste of time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on November 19, 2006, 06:52:44 PM
In the Minor Hurling Championship The South/East Down team beat Portaferry 2-11 to 0-01. Good to see the the lads from outside the Ards putting it up to the Ards clubs. Big win. Liatroim & Bredagh lads were to the fore. Just shows that hurling outside the Ards isn't dead.
Title: Annaclone v Bryansford
Post by: cloneman on November 19, 2006, 09:24:54 PM
Bryansford beat us yesterday by 7 points after we had been leading by 2 at half time.  We only managed 1 point in the 2nd half.  A mention has to go to the referee for one of the most biased performances I've seen in a long time.  Neutrals at the game agreed with this and I would think Bryansford fans could not deny it.  We wouldn't want to use it as an excuse for losing but it certainly doesn't help.

Anyway now to focus on the Liatroim match next weekend which should be very interesting...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football--under 21s
Post by: 6th sam on November 20, 2006, 10:27:43 AM
What is the possible value of the current East Down under 21 competition at this time of the year?
If it's true that Teconnaught,Downpatrick and Loughinisland are amalgamating at this level,it's completely farcical.If I was from Kilcoo,for example and was robbed of an U21 medal by the above combination,I would be extremely angry.In addition ,If I was from "Cnoc ni Drinn????",and won an under 21 medal playing for such an ad hoc amalgamation,it would be totally meaningless.Most East Down clubs need to take a long hard look at themselves,and ask why so salled Senior clubs can not field on their own at this level.It doesn't help when East Down board seem to be encouraging amalgamations in their attempts to have a credible Under 21 competition.They would be much better placed working to achieve a meaningful reserve league to replace the current set up.A bit of honesty and creative thinking is required.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 20, 2006, 10:41:37 AM
fair play 6th sam
I for one hold no confidence in the current east down board. All they are doing is sending our talented players to the soccer scene where they can get to play football most weeks.The u21s is a good idea although not at this time of year it gives fellas who would normally walk away from the sport the opportunity to compete against players they grew up playing against at underage level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 20, 2006, 11:36:42 AM
one for the hurlers...

GAA

Down senior hurling training panel: Down's new senior hurling management team of Gerard Coulter, Hugh Gilmore and Paul McMullan have selected an initial training panel for all competitions in 2007.

The following players are asked to attend a meeting with the new management team in Portaferry GAC clubrooms on Wednesday November 22, 8.30pm sharp.

Ballygalget: Graham Clarke, L Clarke, S Roddy, Gabriel Clarke, S Clarke, E Clarke, D Flynn, G Johnson, M Coulter, A Dynes; Portaferry: P Braniff, K Keating, S Murray, K Coulter, A Savage, J Convery, E Trainor, G Adair, R McGrattan, R Conlon; Ballycran: G Savage, S Wilson, P Hughes, A Bell, B McGourty, M Ennis, G Hughes, G Gordon, S Ennis; Newry Shamrocks: K Courtney, A McGuinness, E McGuinness; Liatroim: A Brown, M McCartan, D McCartan; Ballela: M Magee; Kilclief: K Sloan, F Conway; Clonduff: J Murphy, P McCusker; Ballyvarley: D McGovern

All players to take this as official notification. Anyone unable to attend please contact the team management on any of the following numbers: Gerard Coulter – 4272 8604, Hugh Gilmore – 4272 841, Paul McMullan – 4272 8980

Transport will be available for the

non-Ards players from the 8pm ferry.
Title: Re: Trials
Post by: goldenyears on November 20, 2006, 11:40:29 AM
i hear that brendy loughran from shamrocks showed well at the trials scoring 2-1. also hear that some of last year's panel, even starting 15 ie monk cole were asked to trial. I really dont understand asking any of last year's panel to trial....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 20, 2006, 11:59:41 AM
GY - Maybe the inclusion of Monk and a few of the others was to see how the new lads did against proven inter county standard players .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fear Boirche on November 20, 2006, 12:02:30 PM
Also, some of last year's panel need to convince new management that they are really county material, the aforementioned Cole being one of them. Plus, Ross and DJ need to see where people's best positions are. Any chance that Doyle was at CB?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 20, 2006, 12:06:27 PM
Disagree about Cole , I thought he had a good year and was one of the few backs that looked comfortable in his position .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fear Boirche on November 20, 2006, 12:11:08 PM
Fair enough, but he has had a couple of shaky years. But putting current panellists in with potentials should give them a bit of gee up. It's should be a case of if you're not playing well enough, there's someone waiting to come in and take your place. We haven't really had that, in fairness, recently even for people like BC. Nobody should feel they are guaranteed their place on the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cheesystrippers on November 20, 2006, 12:25:38 PM
i hear monk had a terrible trial, think a lot of last years panel need looked at again! any word on when the final panel is going to be drawn up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 20, 2006, 12:28:02 PM
i can understand maybe the point that mgt team want to see triallists against co standard players....but wouldnt the best thing be to take last years panel, and play a team against the pick of the triallists?

re: current trials, i have a problem already in that a number of last year's panellists dont know where they stand. thats bad form, and i expected communication to be much much better than this....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fear Boirche on November 20, 2006, 12:32:31 PM
 "current trials, i have a problem already in that a number of last year's panellists dont know where they stand. thats bad form, and i expected communication to be much much better than this...."

Fair point, Goldenyears, but the time it took to actually appoint a new manager has delayed everything. Ross and DJ needed to wait until their appointment and then call and organise trials. It's fair enough saying last year's guys should know where they stand, but managment need to make up their minds first. As i said before, no-one should feel they are automatically in the panel cos they were on it last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 20, 2006, 12:34:15 PM
I'm what way do they not know where they stand Goldenyears?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 20, 2006, 12:52:03 PM
amallon, do they all know whether they are on next year's panel or not, or whether they need to trial? thats my point. I would have thought the first thing done, would be to speak to each player individually about last year, the plans for the way ahead, and whether that guy was in them or not....even to say we are not sure at this stage...

i dont think that has happened...
Title: Club managers
Post by: amallon on November 20, 2006, 12:53:20 PM
Clonduff are looking for a new manager as well, Jim McCorry has parted company with them.

There are a few names being banded about for the Bridge game, the ones I've heard of are Muckey Culbert, Paddy Tally, Damian Cassidy and Seamus Doyle.  I think Doyle was with Bellaghy and Enniskillen Gaels.  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cheesystrippers on November 20, 2006, 12:58:11 PM
I hear the ballyholland management has also stepped down.... Any word of who will be taking them next year? Think they will find it tough to get a manager outside of their club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 20, 2006, 01:03:53 PM
Paud, you really should make your email address hidden if you want to remain anonymous  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cheesystrippers on November 20, 2006, 01:06:42 PM
diddly has me logged on here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 20, 2006, 02:22:39 PM
Are we looking at the whole of nexr year without big Ambrose and Dee Rafferty ? Big loss to us if we are .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fear Boirche on November 20, 2006, 02:35:47 PM
Ambrose maybe, but Dee should be back. He broke a bone in his foot I think playing soccer at the end of August, so should be back in contention come the League.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 20, 2006, 02:51:18 PM
So we are looking for someone to partner Gordan in the midfield or maybe they will try Gordan up front and go for a new midfield duo ,Do the harps lads think Murphy could cut it in the middle ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 20, 2006, 03:06:17 PM
what, the grass?
Title: Down Footballers 2000-06
Post by: goldenyears on November 20, 2006, 05:10:04 PM
May 2000
Sunday May 28th
Bank of Ireland Senior Football Championship
Ulster
At Casement Park
Antrim 0-13
Down 1-7
Antrim - S McGreevy, E McLernon, M Mulholland, A Finnegan, G Adams, A Morris, J Kelly, J Quinn 0-1, S McQuillan 0-7, C Colman 0-1, R Hamill, P McCann 0-1, K Brady, J McManus, K Doyle 0-3. Subs: P Logan for Hamill, E McKee for McManus, T Convery for Colman
Down - M McVeigh, F Caulfield, C Byrne, P Shields, M McMurray, P Higgins, S Poland, G McCartan 1-1, A Molloy, S Mulholland 0-1, M Walsh, L Doyle 0-1, M Linden 0-1, C McCabe 0-1, S Ward 0-1. Subs: J McCartan 0-1 for Ward, B Coulter for Shields, P Matthews for Caulfield, M Magill for Higgins
Ref - S McCormack (Meath)
May 2001

Bank of Ireland Ulster Senior Football Championship
At Casement Park
Cavan 1-14
Down 2-10
Cavan - A Donohoe, M Brides, T Prior, G Sheridan, E Jackson 0-1, A Forde, J Doonan, D McCabe 0-2, D McCrudden 0-1, P Reilly 0-4, P Galligan 0-2, F O'Reilly 0-1, M Graham 0-2, J Reilly 1-0, L Reilly 0-1. Subs: J Tierney for O'Reilly, R Donohoe for Sheridan, R Rogers for Graham, B Morris for Rogers
Down - M McVeigh, J Clarke, C Byrne, B Grant, B Kearney, M Magill, S Poland, B Burns, P Conville, L Doyle 0-2, M Walsh 1-4, A O'Prey, R Murtagh, B Coulter, S Ward 0-2. Subs: M Linden 1-1 for McConville, S Mulholland 0-1 for Linden.
Referee - S McCormack (Meath)

June01

At Casement Park
Armagh 1-13
Down 2-4
Armagh - P Hearty, E McNulty, G Reid, J McNulty, A O'Rourke, K McGeeney 0-2, A McCann, T McEntee, P McGrane 0-1, J McEntee 0-3, B O'Hagan 0-1, J Toal, S McDonnell 1-2, M O'Rourke, O McConville 0-4. Sub: P McKeever for B O'Hagan
Down - M McVeigh, J Clarke, C Byrne, B Grant, B Kearney, L Doyle, S Poland, S Ward, P McConville, S Mulholland 0-1, M Walsh 0-2, A O'Prey, R Murtagh, B Coulter 1-0, S Ward 0-1. Subs: M Magill for McConville, M Linden 1-0 for Murtagh, C Daly for O'Prey, B Burns for Poland.
Referee - P McEneaney (Monaghan)

June 02

At Pearse Park
Longford 1-16
Down 0-14
Longford G Tonra, S Carroll, F Coyle, D Ledwith, C Keogh, E Ledwith, C Confrey, L Keenan and P Barden (0-5), R Clyne, T Smullen (0-1), P Ross (0-1), A O'Connor (0-2), P Davis (Capt 0-6) D Barden (1-1). Subs: M Mulleady for Conefery, D Smith for Clyne, M Kenny for Keenan, D Brady for Ross.
Down M McVeigh, J Clarke, C Byrne (Capt), B Grant, A Malloy, B Burns, L Doyle (0-4, 3 frees), B Coulter (0-3) and S Ward, S King (0-2, all frees), M Walsh (0-2 1 free) R Murtagh (0-1), M Linden, A Oprey, J McCartan (0-1). Subs: R Sexton for A Opre, D Gordan for M Linden, P McConville (0-1) for R Murtagh
Referee: Pauric Mangan Kerry

Sunday 22nd June 03

Ulster Senior Football Championship
Down 2-10
Fermanagh 0-11
Down - M McVeigh, J Clarke, B Burns, B Grant, J Lavery, A Molloy, M Cole, S Ward, G McCartan 1-4, L Doyle 0-3, B Coulter 0-1, C McCrickard 0-1, M Walsh, D Gordon, R Murtagh 0-1. Subs - S King for McCrickard, J McCartan 1-0 for Grant, R Sexton for Murtagh, M Linden for Walsh, PP McCartan for Molloy.
Fermanagh - Ronan Gallagher, M Lilly, B Owens, R McCluskey, S McDermott, K Gallagher, N Cox, P Brewster, M McGrath, T Brewster, Raymie Gallagher 0-4, R Keenan 0-2, R McCabe 0-3, S Maguire 0-1, C Bradley 0-1. Subs - H Brady for Lilly, S Doherty for T Brewster, R Johnson for Bradley.
Referee - M Monaghan (Kildare).

July 03
At Clones
Donegal 3-15
Down 2-10
Donegal - T. Blake, N. McCready, R. Sweeney, M. Crossan, S. Carr, B. Monaghan, K. Cassidy, J. Gildea (0-1), S. McDermott (1-1), C. Toye (1-1), M. Hegarty (1-1), J. McGuinness, B. Roper (0-1), A. Sweeney (0-6), B. Devenney (0-4). Sub - J Harran, P McGonigle.
Down - M McVeigh, M Cole, B Burns, J Clarke (0-1), J Laverty, A O'Prey, A Molloy, B Grant (0-2), Sean Ward, L Doyle (0-2), M Walsh (0-1), B Coulter (0-1), R Sexton (1-1), Shane Ward (1-0), R Murtagh (0-1). Subs- D Hughes (0-1), A Scullion, J McCartan, S Mulholland

Referee - Gerry Kinneavy (Roscommon)

04

Ulster SFC
At Casement Park
Cavan 1-13
Down 1-13
Cavan – E Elliott; E Reilly, D Rabbitte, P Brady; A Forde, T Crowe, A Gaynor; P McKenna, C Collins; L Reilly 0-1, M Lyng 0-6, M McKeever; G Pierson 0-3, J Reilly 1-2, S Johnston 0-1. Subs - K Crotty for Collins, P Reilly for Johnston.
Down –M McVeigh; M Higgins, A Molloy, A Scullion; J Clarke 0-1, M Cole, S Farrell; B Coulter 1-2, G McCartan; L Doyle 0-4, S Ward, R Sexton 0-1; E McCartan, D Gordon, D Hughes 0-4. Subs - J Lavery for Farrell, C McCrickard for G McCartan, B Grant for Sexton, A O'Prey 0-1 for E McCartan.
Referee - D Goldrick (Meath).

Ulster SFC Replay
At Kingspan Breffni Park
Cavan 3-13
Down 2-12
Cavan - E Elliott, E Reilly, D Rabbit, P Brady, K Crotty, A Gaynor, A Forde, P McKenna 0-1, T Crowe 0-1, L Reilly, M Lyng 0-5, M McKeever 0-3, G Pearson, J O'Reilly 1-3, S Johnston. Subs: C Collins for E Reilly, D McCabe 1-0 for Pearson, P Reilly 1-0 for Johnson, R Donohoe for Brady, S Brady for McKeever
Down - M McVeigh, B Grant, A Molloy, A Scullion, J Clarke, S Farrell, M Cole, G McCartan 0-3, D Gordon 0-1, E McCartan, S Ward, R Sexton, B Coulter 2-2, A O'Prey 0-3, D Hughes 0-2. Subs: R Murtagh 0-1 for Ward, A Rogers for Sexton, J Lavery for E McCartan
Referee - S McCormack (Meath)

May 05

Ulster Senior Football Championship
At Omagh
Tyrone 1-13
Down 1-6
Tyrone: P. McConnell, R. McMenamin, C. Lawn, S. Sweeney, C. Gormley, G. Devlin, P. Jordan 0-1, C. Holmes, S. Cavanagh 0-2, P. Donnelly, M. Penrose 1-1, R. Mellon 0-1, O. Mulligan 0-3, S. O'Neill 0-2, E. McGinley 0-1. Subs: P. Canavan 0-2 for Mellon, J. McMahon for Donnelly, L. Meenan for Penrose.
Down: B. McVeigh, M. Cole, A. Scullion, G. Barry, B. Grant, A. O'Prey, D. Rafferty, A. Molloy, D. Gordon, L. Doyle 0-2, A. Rogers 0-3, J. Clarke, C. Laverty, B. Coulter 1-1, R. Murtagh. Subs: R. Sexton for Clarke, S. Ward for Laverty, A. Rice for Barry, D. Hughes for Murtagh, J. Doran for Molloy.

Jun 06

Sunday 7th May
Ulster SFC Prelim Round
At Casement Park
Down 1-13
Cavan 0-11
DOWN - B McVeigh ; M Cole , B Grant , D McCartan ; P Murphy , J Clarke , D Rafferty ; A Molloy , D Gordan 0-1 ; E McCartan 0-1 , A Rogers 0-1 , D Hughes 0-3 ; L Doyle , B Coulter 1-0 , M Walsh 0-5 . Subs: M Doran for Rafferty (47), R Murtagh 0-2 for E McCartan , C Laverty for Rogers , A Scullion for Molloy .
CAVAN - J Reilly ; P Reilly , M Hannon , K Fannin ; M Cahill , A Gaynor , P Brady 0-1 ; D McCabe 0-1 , C Collins ; M McKeever , P Reilly S Brady ; G Pierson 0-1 , L Reilly 0-2 , S Johnston 0-6 . Subs: J O'Reilly for Pierson, C Mackey for P Reilly , J Jordan for McKeever, E O'Reilly for L Reilly.
REF - Eugene Murtagh (Longford).

Bank of Ireland Ulster SFC quarter-final
Donegal 1-12
Down 1-11
Donegal - P Durcan, K Lacey, P Campbell, N McGee, E McGee 0-1, B Monaghan, B Dunnion 0-1, N Gallagher, C Bonner, C Toye 0-1, M Hegarty 0-2 , R Kavanagh 1-2, C Kelly, C Dunne 0-2, M Doherty 0-2. Subs: B Boyle for Kelly, A Sweeney 0-1 for Doherty, D Diver for N McGee, F McGlynn for E McGee
Down - B McVeigh, M Cole, B Grant, A Molloy, P Murphy 0-1, J Clarke, A Scullion, A Rogers, D Gordon 0-1, E McCartan, L Doyle 0-3, R Murtagh 0-1, D Hughes 1-3, B Coulter 0-1, M Walsh 0-1. Subs: M Doran for Murphy, C Laverty for McCartan, D Rafferty for Clarke, R Sexton for Murtagh, J Colgan for Doyle
Referee - G O'Conamha (Galway)

At Markievicz Park
Sligo 1-7
Down 0-4
SLIGO - P Greene; C Harrison, N McGuire, R Donovan 0-1; B Kivlehan, P McGovern, K O'Neill; E O'Hara, B Egan; T Taylor, M Breheny 0-3, P Doohan; K Sweeney, S Davey 1-1, A Marren. Subs: P Taylor 0-1 for Sweeney 31, J McPartland 0-1 for T Taylor 51.
DOWN - B McVeigh; M Cole, B Grant, A Molloy; P Murphy, D Rafferty, A Scullion; A Rogers, D Gordon; M Doran, L Doyle 0-1, R Murtagh; R Sexton, B Porter, D Hughes 0-2. Subs: A Brannigan for Cole 7, Cole for Brannigan 10, M Poland for Sexton 40, A Carr 0-1 for Hughes 58, J Colgan for Murtagh 62, C Laverty for Doran 68.
REF - D Goldrick (Meath)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 20, 2006, 05:17:50 PM
What a way to start - the Antrim debacle. For some reason though I don't think Shieldsy started that day. He was due to start, but if my memory is right, something happened and he didn't. I could be wrong. My clearest memory of that defeat is that it was the wettest and coldest I have ever been at a match. Even wetter and colder than Newcastle, which is always wet and cold.
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Post by: goldenyears on November 20, 2006, 05:21:53 PM
no! the coldest wettest day was the defeat in healy park to tyrone a cpl of years back!

also i hear shieldsy was v good in the trials at the weekend.
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Post by: 5 Sams on November 20, 2006, 05:32:30 PM
Some horrific memories there GY.... :-[


That day in Casement was also the day that the Ulster Council in their wisdom sent the band out in a thunder and lightening storm at half time. Tubas, trombones, trumpets, the lot......they were lucky nobody was fried alive
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Post by: Dubh driocht on November 20, 2006, 07:26:26 PM
Agree that DG should be at full-forward. But wothout Ambrose ( and he had a poor enough championship) ,who do we have for midfield ?
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Post by: TORGAEL on November 20, 2006, 08:43:09 PM
What about the Drumgath keeper Connell. Ive seen him on a good few occasions this year & he's an excellent shot stopper,steady under the high ball, marshalls his defence well, and can kick out well with either foot. I agree McAllister's an excellent keeper but would be better off in the u-21's for a year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 20, 2006, 08:49:38 PM
Midfield has long been Down's biggest problem, and particularly so at winning breaking-ball. But the way to solve this problem isn't to take your best midfielder and play him at full-forward. Benny has been starved of possession at full-forward in recent years with Dan at midfield. I shudder to think of what the reverse might be like.

We aren't Kerry, we can't afford to put our best ball-winner in full-forward.

Anyway, anyone who watched Gordon playing in the National League last year couldn't have helped get the feeling that he was blossoming into a true intercounty midfielder, a good ball-winner, an excellent athlete. So at the age of 22-23, the worst thing we could do is chart him off on another course. Especially when in the shape of Benny Coulter, you have nearly as good a full-forward as you can get if all you want to is rain high balls into the 21.


5iveTimes - you've obviously must never watched Brendan McVeigh play, judging by your comments. There might be areas of his game he could work on, but shot-stopping really isn't one of them.
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Post by: TORGAEL on November 20, 2006, 08:56:54 PM
Cant be helped, but it sticks in your mind.......the memory of the ball hitting the back of our net, in Ballybofey, and McVeigh rooted to the spot. Wouldnt discard him though...maybe he just needs someone breathing down his shoulder.
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 21, 2006, 08:11:41 AM
for me there is only one keeper that should really be ahead of or at least contesting the goalie position with mc Veigh and thats Peter Travers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 21, 2006, 09:01:10 AM
The goal keeper down really need is Davy O'Hare of Coleraine (Irish League) and formerly Newry Mitchels.  If he could be persuaded to come back and play a bit of Gaelic.  He has been coaching the Down goalies for the last few seasons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 21, 2006, 09:35:23 AM
Really lads, goalkeeping isn't a problem in our county. I'd agree with Brick's assertion that Peter Travers is the best around bar McVeigh, but he's hardly going to reappear on the scene at the age of 30-odd. But with the likes of McAllister and Declan Alder waiting in the wings, McVeigh can't rest on his laurels - and there's plenty of talented keepers around who probably won't get any sort of a look in like Gibney from Loughinisland, Featherstone from the 'Bridge, big Sloan from Rostrevor and Kieran Murphy of Ballyholland. Every one of those is a better keeper than Packie McConnell, All-Ireland winner 2005.
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 21, 2006, 09:53:03 AM
Travers cant be more than 28/29. Still think he is definitely the best about though. Anyway your right, goalkeeping isnt the problem.

wouldnt it be great to have two midfielders that could assume their positions at 8&9 as natural midielders meaning that Dan, Benny, Doyle or anyone else tried there coukld take up other positions in the forward line etc. It would be great to see a completetly new midfield pairing tried this year. How many midfielders about in club football, under the age of 30 are actually worth a shout, pre-requisites being that they are at least 6ft, pretty well built, very fit and have work ethic and attitude(the right one). frig it!!!anyone would do.Suggestions anyone??
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Post by: 5 Sams on November 21, 2006, 10:13:52 AM
Quotefrig it!!!anyone would do.

I dont agree with you Brick Tamlin...anyone WON'T do. That is our problem at the minute...with every player at our disposal fit we still lack a Darragh Ó Sé/Paul McGrane/Eamonn O'Hara/Seán Cavanagh type player...we will go nowhere until a couple of players like that come through the ranks...I hope I'm wrong but we can't match other teams in the midfield third at the moment...maybe Ross has something up his sleeve :-\
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 21, 2006, 10:17:08 AM
I didnt really mean that anyone would do, was just an exhaustive coment as im at a loss to what options are about. Im well aware of the plight in Down at the minute regarding Midfielders etc. But name me a list of potential midfielders that could be trialled, say if you were the manager off the top of your head who would ye invite to trial
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Post by: No1 on November 21, 2006, 11:45:34 AM
AM, I hope to f**k you are having a laugh, Davy is too fond of the burgers!  I take it he was at Coleraine with you?

Top 4 keepers in Down at the minute are Mickey McVeigh, Peter Travers, Brendy McVeigh and Poland from Longstone, in that order.  It is the only position in the county set up that we are spolit for choice in.

Connell from Drumgath  :o

Ciaran Sloan deserves a go on comedy value alone!

As for midfielders, Rony Strain from Kilclief might be worth a shot, he was on a couple of U-21 panels but only ever seemed to come on as a sub.  I'd like to say he has matured since then, but he hasn't really!
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Post by: amallon on November 21, 2006, 11:54:42 AM
Yeah Davy did nets with Coleraine in Sigerson for a few years when I was there.  He played out field with UUC seconds as well.  He is a savage keeper anyone coming into his sqaure takes their life in their hands.  He has good kick out ands is one of the few keepers who can drop the ball on the ground without settings it up and have it out round the middle for a quick attack.  I don't think its going to happen somehow.
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Post by: goldenyears on November 21, 2006, 12:29:06 PM
5 times i disagree on your points re: b mc veigh. in fact we played them 3 times this season, and he saved 4-6 shots in those games that should have been goals but for superb point blank range shot stopping. I think he is as good as there is around.

i think the mgt team know they need a number 3, 6, 8, 9, and 10,11,12

if we sort those positions out we are well on our way, but truthfully i have said going back to the old board, that last year's squad with 4 or 5 others to come in replace the deadwood is about right. the trick that ross/dj have to perform is preparing them mentally, preparing them tactically (f**k thats all they should talk about for 3 mths!), and putting the players we have in the right positions.

i do agree to an extent, that 5 times has the spine more or less right. I would go with grant at 3, doyle at 6, gordon and AN Other at 8 & 9 (preferably a holding midfielder type) coulter at 11, and AN Other at 14. We have a number of excellent forwards - lets see if one of them can rise to the challenge of playing 14
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Post by: thewobbler on November 21, 2006, 12:47:41 PM
A team of players I'd like to see getting a run-out this year:

Declan Alder (Carryduff)
Paul Magee (Rostrevor)
Andrew Kane (Bryansford)
Domhnall Murphy (Saval)
John Turley (Loughinisland)
Paul Shields (Clonduff)
Liam McVeigh (An Riocht)
Adrian Carvill (Bryansford)
Martin McClean (Kilcoo)
Joe Ireland (Bryansford)
John Boyle (Warrenpoint)
James McGovern (Burren)
Brendan Loughran (Shamrocks)
Aidan Burns (Castlewellan)
John Fegan (Clonduff)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 21, 2006, 01:31:55 PM
Not a bad selection wobb but i think the jury is still out on Declan Alder
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 21, 2006, 01:33:52 PM
wobs i am gonna rule out the following as i dont see them getting close to it at all...

Declan Alder (Carryduff)
Paul Magee (Rostrevor)
Andrew Kane (Bryansford)
Domhnall Murphy (Saval)
John Turley (Loughinisland)
Paul Shields (Clonduff)
Liam McVeigh (An Riocht)
Adrian Carvill (Bryansford)
Martin McClean (Kilcoo)
Joe Ireland (Bryansford)
John Boyle (Warrenpoint)
James McGovern (Burren)
Brendan Loughran (Shamrocks)
Aidan Burns (Castlewellan)
John Fegan (Clonduff)

how about this for a non div 1 team with players that havent been playing county football? ps. havent seen banbridge or darragh cross play at all really, just know about paddy feeney

k murphy (ballyholland)

e henry (wpoint)
darragh mc meel (wpoint)
Domnhall Murphy (saval)

darren cunningham (saval)
kevin quinn (attical)
Liam McVeigh (kingdom)

Shea Curran (wpoint)
Jackie Lynch (drumgath)

peter telford (dpatrick)
stephen kearney (mitchels)
Peter Turley (saval)

p downey (drumgath)
ryan rooney (b martin)
miceal sloan (attical)

Subs:
Damien Campbell (bholland)
Paddy McAnulty (bholland)
Darren O'Hanlon (bmartin)
Cathal McDowell (bmartin)
Colm Murtagh (glenn)
Paul McComiskey (dundrum)
Dan McCabe (drumgath)
Drumgath - Mark Connolly
Clann na Banna - Paddy Feeney
Tullylish - John McAreavey
Teconnaught - Sammy Madine
Bright - Mark Stitt



Title: refereeing in down
Post by: behind the wire on November 21, 2006, 02:54:28 PM
i see that there is always alot said about the standard of club football in down, well in order for it to improve i think that first of all the standard of refereeing must be improved. this is a real down gaa issue which needs to be addressed. i have come across many complaints but here is one which i witnessed at the weekend.

in the first 5 minutes of the darragh cross v clann na banna div 3 final the darragh full back blatantly elbowed then punched the clann na banna full forward. clann player had to be taken off because he lost vision in his eye. the ref came over to check on him and could  see that his eye was completely close due to swelling, obviously he had been struck. the ref then consulted with his umpire who appeared to clearly point out that he had been struck off the ball. could anybody tell me why any ref in their right mind would book the player? i cant get my head around it.

i dont wish to draw attention to the incident itself but rather to the conduct of the referee. this incident was an isolated one, other than that it was a good clean game considering the conditions. any opinions anyone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 21, 2006, 05:53:18 PM
I've heard Joe Ireland has quit football alltogether?  Maybe just a rumour though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on November 22, 2006, 12:27:23 PM
Any predictions for the Division 1 relegation play off between Annaclone & Liatroim this sunday ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 22, 2006, 12:34:10 PM
neutral would to have to fancy liatroim to stay up....

is there any merit in a 16 team div1? current teams plus top 4 of div2?

or should we go to an 8 team div1, bottom 4 of 1 and top four of 2 to make div2, rest of 2 to make div 3, and so on.....

I think it would make for a much better, tighter league structure, better games, less number of complete blowouts, and would improve everyone's lot....
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Post by: thewobbler on November 22, 2006, 01:03:10 PM
To be honest, I'd rather Liatroim won. Annaclone are a right enough side, and would surely be in contention to go straight back up, but with their main men available Liatroim would be capable of going unbeaten in Division II. The second tier is going to be competitive enough next year without having 11 sides vying for second place only.

I'd favour leagues of 10 teams myself GY, with 4 teams making the promotion and relegation play-offs in each division. Aside from tightening up the standards, this would give every team something to play for in every game. It would help relieve fixture congestion too. Some clubs would have an issue with lost revenue from losing 2 home games from their calendar, but as 80% of the clubs would be involved in play-offs at the end of the season, which always attract bigger crowds than normal games, some arrangement could be made between the competing clubs and the host club for splitting the gate money at play-offs games - which should more than compensate.

Any team actually progressing through the leagues under this system should be fit for the next tier, as they'll have to be able to beat teams of a similar standard to the higher tier just to get there.

Once you get past Division III, another arrangement would have to be put in place to sort out the uneven (and occasionally variable) number of teams left. I would suggest splitting Division IV into two sections, as close as possible to geographical lines to cut down on travelling times. The top two teams in each section would meet each other in round-robin Division IV promotion play-offs, with the top two sides then progressing into Division III. Every year, the two sections of Division IV would require a slight reshuffle depending on what part of the county the relegated teams come from. As both sections carry an equal weight, it really just would come down to geography. Complaints about the strength of one section compared to the other are neutered by the fact that the two best sides overall progress to Division III.

Based on league position this year, that would give us divisions something along the lines of:

Div 1: Kilcoo, Longstone, Mayobridge, Burren, Clonduff, Loughinisland, Rostrevor, Castlewellan, Bryansford, Liatroim.
Div 2: Annaclone, Shamrocks, An Riocht, Warrenpoint, Atticall, Ballyholland, Saval, Downpatrick, Ballymartin, Glassdrumman.
Div 3: Kilclief, Carryduff, Saul, Glenn, Darragh Cross, Clann na Banna, Drumgath, Ardglass, Tullylish, Dundrum. 
Div 4 North: Teconnaught, Bright, Drumaness, Bredagh, St Paul's, Ballykinlar, Killyleagh
Div 4 South: Mitchels, Bosco, Aghaderg, St Michael's, St John's, Dromara, Aughlisnafin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 22, 2006, 02:41:34 PM
Wobbs, that is the most sensible post I have read in a long while and was about to agree wholeheartedly until I saw we were in Div 3, so you can f**k right off.

;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on November 22, 2006, 08:09:29 PM
Any predictions for South Down player of the year to be announced in Hilltown this friday nite ? The nominations are Jacky Lynch [Drumgath], Kevin McKernan [Burren], &  Ronan Murtagh [Ballyholland].
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on November 23, 2006, 10:07:49 AM
arguements for all but mckernan prob as he captained abbey which will help him
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 23, 2006, 10:30:30 AM
I think our boy will be up against it because the other two lads have won something this season...probably unfair but that's the way people think....however having watched him week in, week out for the past number of years in Division 1 and 2 there are very few forwards in Down club football that produce the goods as consistently as Murtagh.....I'm sure one of our colleague on here from the goalkeeping fraternity based near the Ards will back me up on this one :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 23, 2006, 10:59:54 AM
 Don't know who you mean 5 Sams but I think Murtagh should be a shoo in, without a doubt the best club forward we have ever come up against.  Pity he couldn't do it for his county. ;)

AMallon, if you are reading this, WTF is Benny doing playing soccer for Castlewellan III's?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 23, 2006, 12:10:42 PM
First I've heard of it No1. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 23, 2006, 12:13:08 PM
Did the Down trialists have a game against Queens footballers recently?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 23, 2006, 12:16:23 PM
triallists have a game tonight, i think its an in house affair
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 23, 2006, 12:19:03 PM
JC, any word on last nights hurling meeting?  Did our boys show up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 23, 2006, 01:41:45 PM
Quote from: No1 on November 23, 2006, 12:19:03 PM
JC, any word on last nights hurling meeting?  Did our boys show up?

Is that the senior team meeting you are referring to?

If it is, yes, i think most of the Kilclief lads did, Finty Conway and Ciaran Sloane were two names I heard mentioned with a few others I'm not sure of.
Gazza is also back for another year  ::)

Good to see although they are supposed to start training next week and personally speaking I don't see the value in that. Warn the lads to make an effort on their own and then start training together after christmas. It's a real pain in the hole getting boats to and from the peninsula on winters nights without prolonging it.

P.S. I heard that the €10,000 the team got for the missing 5 minutes of the Christy Ring final is to be split among the players and I don't agree with that at all. I'd like to of seen it used more pro-actively than that like sending an U-14 team to the Tony Forrestal or something similar.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 23, 2006, 01:55:43 PM
QuoteI heard that the €10,000 the team got for the missing 5 minutes of the Christy Ring final is to be split among the players and I don't agree with that at all.

That's only because you jacked it in a year too early!

Finty and Ciaran were the only 2 boys selected, glad to hear they went.

Tell me about the boat on the winter nights, it's the main reason that my Ballycam career ended (that and the wife getting sick of me falling off the boat on a Saturday evening!!)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 23, 2006, 02:52:13 PM
JC - What do you mean about the €10,000 being divided between the players? Did everybody else who was invited turn up for the squad meeting? 
No 1 - What position does Ciaran Sloane play for Kilclief. I don't think I know him.
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Post by: johnneycool on November 23, 2006, 03:05:39 PM
Each player is to get €300 or so, that's what the county board agreed with the players. There was talk of O'Neills vouchers etc but they're now getting the raw cash. As far as I can remember there was only 24 or 25 on the panel at the time, so I'd expect they'd get €400 each

Ripping your bollocks out for another year isn't worth €4000 let alone €400 No001. My sanity comes first.

There were a few lads who didn't turn up, Barry Milligan, Gary Gordon etc but I don't think they had much interest in the first place. The Lad from Ballyvarley, Davy didn't make it but that's not to say he won't go, I don't know
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 23, 2006, 03:29:27 PM
  Lecale, Ciaran Sloan (Rosie) plays at midfield or centre half forward.  Himself and Finty played on the U-21 team that won Ulster a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 24, 2006, 12:37:34 PM
anyone near newcastle for the senior trials last night? they are on again on sat, some1 go along and fill us in....

last night had b grant, j clarke, p murphy, d hughes, r murtagh all "trialling", along with a number of new boys. i believe john quinn and pj mcalinden were there. 2 full scale rows on the night, some fella broke his hand on joe doran and d hughes and e henry set to as well.....

loads of fellas no one knew there, and did well. also, b rodgers (mbridge) did v well i hear
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 24, 2006, 12:38:08 PM
Any word on the trials ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 24, 2006, 12:52:17 PM
How did you do that GY ? you answered my question before I even asked it !! amazing .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 24, 2006, 01:17:53 PM
enlighten us further if you will GY or anyone else that was actually at the trials or has heard whos goin well and whos not.
any elder statesmen of club football at these trials?? Has any of last years panel not shown up so well, any of the younger generation impressing. any info at all??
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Post by: kumquat on November 24, 2006, 01:33:11 PM
How big a panel will Ross have? 30? Any predictions on who from the new lot will make it? Who do you think will not make it from previous panels?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on November 24, 2006, 01:34:38 PM
what ever happened stephen sands that done so well for u's a few years ago in minors?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 24, 2006, 01:56:07 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 24, 2006, 12:37:34 PM
anyone near newcastle for the senior trials last night? they are on again on sat, some1 go along and fill us in....

last night had b grant, j clarke, p murphy, d hughes, r murtagh all "trialling", along with a number of new boys. i believe john quinn and pj mcalinden were there. 2 full scale rows on the night, some fella broke his hand on joe doran and d hughes and e henry set to as well.....

loads of fellas no one knew there, and did well. also, b rodgers (mbridge) did v well i hear

Wonder how the big Magic fella is getting on? He's got the ball out every night according to the lads at home.
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Post by: amallon on November 24, 2006, 02:12:01 PM
Sounds like a full blooded trial.  I the fella Henry that was boxing Hughes from the point?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on November 24, 2006, 02:51:09 PM
I think you're right amallon.  Apparently he was getting skinned and wanted danny's jersey as a souveniour before the trial was over which hughes didnt like.  At least it shows the lads are taking it seriously!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on November 24, 2006, 02:56:52 PM
They should be taking it seriously. It should be full blooded. They're trialling for a chance to play for their county !!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 24, 2006, 03:06:44 PM
apparently threy were both at it with the younger fella roughing hughes up and giving him the niggles, hughes didnt like the close attention and both ended up rolling around on the floor for a few mins before being split up, was all handbags and no digs actually thrown i hear.Didnt hear anything about Hughes skinnin him.
in my opinion thats what a few boys in Down need, a few younger fellas with a take-no-shit attitude that wont back down at the though of roughin it with more established players in or outside the county, it will do no harm to see a few established boys skelped now and again, bring them down to earth. If they are goin to get that against the likes of Bellew, Mc Menamin then why not expect a similar doin from boys within our county.
If anything at least it shows a hunger or attitude that will do no harm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on November 24, 2006, 03:23:58 PM
agree totally with bt.apparantly ahughes is a cocky **** so a bit roughin up wont do him any harm
Title: New Development - periodical managerial appraisal
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2006, 03:51:43 PM
Initial Thoughts-

as one who would not have picked this paricular duo for co management for '07 season i think they have started off fantastically.

they are spreading the net far and wide and by giving trials, players are being given a chance.

i think it all augurs well for the new season.the gael's agents have been reporting good stuff to him and so far the gael is impressed.

the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDunYeGo on November 24, 2006, 04:22:01 PM
Charlie i've heard this aswell about hughes, apparently he danders back into saval when the boys there have been training all year and tries to take over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2006, 04:45:03 PM
andunye go
don't be so spiteful about hughes he trains all year and looks after himself.
what do you want him to do train with saval and not down?
he is their most accomplished player at the moment ofcourse he is going to be the main man when he is there and it is not as if he is away playing soccer or drinking or the like.
if we in down had more people like danny hughes and his lifestyle and attitude to the game we'd be very lucky!

the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 24, 2006, 04:51:27 PM
thegael you never miss the chance to get your dig in.   ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2006, 05:09:02 PM
amallon don't be so naive about a dig what was the previous post about daniel  hughes?

daniel hughes has the perfect attitude to the game and to hear a bunch of bregrudgers put him down is wrong.

he is the perfect role model for young gaelic footballers - it is not as if he drinks too much or runs off to soccer etc.we need more footballers with the attitude of daniel hughes.we need role models not rakers!

the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 24, 2006, 05:15:35 PM
You rightly defend Danny Hughes but have a dig at another player.  I can read between the lines and know who you are getting at.  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2006, 05:23:50 PM
amallon if the cap fits another player or player is that the gael's fault?

the issue of role models comes up !

for example should a county senior football captain being playing third or dummy rate soccer in the close season?
what example does that show our youth ?

re forwards not definding boss karr if someone said that they are wrong. the gael is all for players getting roughed up mc menamin would so we gotta get them ready!

the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 24, 2006, 05:33:35 PM
Why should someone not play soccer.  I think it sets a good example to young people that a person would prefer to be out playing the game instead of sitting at a fecking play station simulating the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on November 24, 2006, 05:41:38 PM
Is this the same Daniel Hughes who, along with his Spice Boy friends, threw his dummy out of the pram when the County Board wouldn't get them smaller jerseys which would enabled 'the Boys' to show off their bulging biceps.  I always thought football was about how you played, not how you look.  If looking good is the priority, is it any wonder we win nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 24, 2006, 05:50:00 PM
I don't think you ever did get round to telling us what club you are with theGael.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on November 24, 2006, 06:10:55 PM
mallon..its not to hard to know what club he is from going by his last few posts!!
Title: The Gael
Post by: AnDunYeGo on November 24, 2006, 08:12:38 PM
I never said anything about his traning habits i was only stating a fact!! And i think he should be starting for the county.
But there's boys who come back into our club from the county setup and dont try to take over and have thier heads up their holes!!!
there is a diffeence being the main man on the pitch and danderin back in like you own the place

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on November 24, 2006, 09:20:16 PM
Getting back to the actual trials, has anyone heard if any of last years panel are struggling to make an impression with the new management?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Forgot me Boots on November 24, 2006, 10:07:54 PM
When is the final trial, and when is the squad expected to be finalised, or is ther due to be a further round of trials.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on November 25, 2006, 08:19:51 AM
Congratulations to Jacky Lynch of Drumgath , who was named South Down player of the year last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 25, 2006, 06:04:47 PM
Minor B Hurling final
Liatroim 7-11 0-01 Shamrocks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on November 26, 2006, 06:46:48 PM
Any word on the Annaclone/Liatroim game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 26, 2006, 06:48:25 PM
Annaclone 1-07  Liatroim 0-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 26, 2006, 10:37:47 PM
Fair play to Liatroim for retaining their Division 1 status,but you have to have sympathy for Annaclone.
They put up some great performances this year,much like Ballyholland  did in Division 1 last year.
Looking at the standard of Division 1 and 2,is there a case for a 16 team division 1,with a top 8 ,bottom 8 split after the first round of matches,with no playoffs.Surely this would give clubs like Annaclone,Ballyholland,Warrenpoint,Attical a chance to establish themselves in Division 1.
It's absolutely crazy asking players to play their most important match of the season in November.
What about a closed season for our county men?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 27, 2006, 10:31:53 AM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on November 24, 2006, 03:23:58 PM
agree totally with bt.apparantly ahughes is a cocky **** so a bit roughin up wont do him any harm

charlie, thats a real top class statement. danny is one of the best club forwards in down, and will  definitely play starting 15 in the 07 championship. He plays with a swagger, a confidence that was a hallmark of great down forwards from yesteryear. And your neanderthal comment is "yeah, knock the fck outta him"?? what benefit is there in roughing him up? to get used to it? or just to take him down a peg or two...if its the latter, thats the spiteful hateful side to down gaa.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on November 27, 2006, 10:42:12 AM
will mcmenamin/bellaw etc not do it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on November 27, 2006, 11:03:38 AM
There's a difference between playing with a swagger/cockiness and being arrogant. It cant be doubted that Hughes is one of the best forwards in Down football & is well worth his place on the team, but it's the nature of the game that all forwards of his diminutive stature will get roughed up in the game. I'm sure he's well used to it by now & just takes it in his stride. Wouldn't like to think he would be a member of the "don't you know who I am" brigade !.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 27, 2006, 11:11:01 AM
daniel hughes is one of the best forwards in the county and his application to the game is to admired.

we would be delighted to have all our panel members to prepare like daniel-
he doesn't abuse alcohol
he doesn't play moronic third rate junior soccer like some
his number one aim is success with down

anyone who trys to damn him is nothing short of jealous!

his preparation and attitude is the reason he is one of the best in the county.

the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on November 27, 2006, 11:25:26 AM
There's no doubt that Danny Hughes is one of the best forwards in Down. I don't think anyone is disputing that fact. Unfortunately the gael seems to relish using situations like his defence of this player to "put the boot " into other down players. Would it not be better to be supporting all our county players or prospective players instead of showing juvenile petulance just to achieve some sort of sad self worth !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 27, 2006, 11:32:36 AM
tor i cann't help it if some of the 06 panel are off playing soccer and the like.
should i support them and agree with them? no i shouldn't and don't .
do you agree with them? are they behaving like role models for our young men?

oh i know like everything else we should all turn a blind eye! support our county players in everything they do-  drink play soccer ah you're right. catch a grip that is the problem.

that turning a blind eye has served us all very well in the last decade.

the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 27, 2006, 11:34:28 AM
charlie of course other inter coutny defenders will give him that treatment, but your earlier comment smacked off a spiteful though process, ie if he is cocky, kick the shit outta him, and for me thats just wrong. if you are saying give it to him, in prep for whats coming ahead, then thats a diff matter.

torgael, re:
Quoteall forwards of his diminutive stature
, have you ever stood beside danny hughes? he is 5 10, if not 5 11 at least! and with the lad working out as much as he does, there are few stronger forwards with his pace in down football. I really dont think you can call him diminutive!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on November 27, 2006, 12:13:23 PM
Goldenyears, im not saying that danny is small. all im saying is that forwards with stature less than say, kieran donaghy, are always going to get roughed up a bit-its a fact of life.this is probably one of the reasons why danny does work out, to help his game & help himself look after himsef on the pitch-fair play to him for realising this & taking steps to counteract a potential problem in his game.

Gael, im not condoning alcohol abuse by players or taking part in other sports you may not think suitable of them, but these people have their own lives to lead & their own choices [& possibly mistakes] to make. what we have to remember is that they are "people" & not the property of fans/supporters like you & me. we cannot force them to do what we please. I just believe that our energies would be better directed in supporting any of our players who pull on the red/black jersey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 27, 2006, 12:36:28 PM
See the supporters club are honoring Alan Molloy , and rightly so .Great servant to Down football and probably had one of his best years last year . Keep it going Alan .

Any more news coming out of the trials ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 27, 2006, 01:19:11 PM
No one from Kilclief attended trials but Ricky Kerr has been put on a weights program and asked to train with the seniors. 

I take it all prospective U-21's are being treated in the same way?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 27, 2006, 01:39:28 PM
Mickey Linden and John Murphy are Pete's selectors with the U21's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 27, 2006, 02:29:32 PM
who is ricky kerr no1? i cant remember him standing out in games v ballyholland, but correct me if i am wrong...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on November 27, 2006, 02:39:31 PM
golden years sorry if u didnt get my pioint.i was just trying to stress that a few sources very close to saval have told me that and they wouldnt mind him getting roughed up as he walks round when he comes back from down thinking he owns the place.it would also be preperation 4 wats ahead, fair play to henry at least hes shown that more established people aren't going to walk all over him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 27, 2006, 02:46:51 PM
GY - Kerr didn't play down there. On our patch he didn't touch the ball in the first half (not his fault, we ruined them at midfield), but he scored four from play in the second half. From what i saw that day he's very quick with the ball in hand and runs good angles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 27, 2006, 03:29:21 PM
Ricky plays at corner forward.  Played on the Minor All Ireland winning team with Marty Clarke and the boys.

As Wobbs diplomatically pointed out the only time he played against youse in the last 2 years was at your place this year and we were beaten by 500 points.  He only got about 5 balls and scored 4.

On the right team he would be explosive.  Lightning fast, quick thinker, very accurate and superfit.  He just needs the right supply.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 27, 2006, 03:47:26 PM
QuoteHe just needs the right supply.

Or club. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 27, 2006, 04:45:59 PM
just wondering, what are peoples thoughts on roughin up, whats deemed to be crossing the line and what is hard but fair etc. what way or how would we like to see our defenders marking this year without crossing "the line".
ideally what type of defence or personnel would people like to see tried and in what position etc, just defensively speaking now!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on November 28, 2006, 02:53:06 PM
under 21's this weekend any thoughts rostrevor burren and clonduff play the stone
Title: Re: Management Merry go Round
Post by: goldenyears on November 29, 2006, 12:59:08 PM
As far as I know, the following appointments have been made recently re: club senior football

aidan farrell / j austin - rostrevor
j mc comiskey - liatroim
jim mc corry - mayobridge
jp o'kane - saval

no one yet at castlewellan, bryansford?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on November 29, 2006, 01:23:40 PM
Mc Corry back to Mayobridge?  Though they were glad to see the back of him (and his salary) several years ago when he took off Mickey Linden with a few minutes to go in the Ulster Final in Casement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on November 29, 2006, 01:56:13 PM
If its true about McCorry being back at the bridge it's a strange one indeed, but then, money talks !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on November 29, 2006, 05:59:44 PM
goldenyears...mccorry is not with the bridge. still on the lookout.  just out of intrest where did you hear that??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 29, 2006, 10:00:58 PM
heard it was between p o;rourke and mccorry, and that mccorry was the man. heard it in w'point from an ex county player...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on November 29, 2006, 10:25:21 PM
Paul Mc Cartan is taking over at Shamrocks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 30, 2006, 09:18:15 AM
I don't think O'Rourke would take the Bridge job if it was offered to him.  I'd say he's the sort that wouldn't want to manage a team against his own club and fair play to him.  Would he be the right man for the Bridge thats another question.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redsky on November 30, 2006, 10:09:06 AM
The Bridge should really be looking beyond McCorry & O'Rourke. McCorry should never have been replaced when he was (think bridge would have had elusive ulster by now if they had kept him). However the vast majority of the bridge committee at the time couldn't wait to get rid of McCorry to get Mickey in; were some players at the time also were not happy with McCorry - the vast majority of this same disenting committee are still there, does McCorry have any issues with some of the current players??...McCorry would be on a hiding to nothing. Def not O'Rourke he has done nothing at either club or county management to give you any confidence. What about Ray Morgan, Paddy Tally, Barney McAleenan to name a few. Bridge need entire senior set-up replaced, new ideas, new faces etc if ulster/all-ireland is to come their way...some forget that the bridge team ave age taking Woods is about 25, there is no doubt that this team have the potential will win 4/5 more county titles at least.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 30, 2006, 10:15:15 AM
Redskey - Tally was approached but he has something lined up already.  According to the rumour mill anyway.

I don't think they got rid of McCorry to get Mickey in, Jackie McManus came in after McCorry.

Hope you are right about the 4-5 county titles though!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redsky on November 30, 2006, 10:24:10 AM
Forgot about McManus alright....where did he ever go to (and no I'm not suggesting the bridge make contact). I hear P McGrath is going to help out at Rostrevor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 30, 2006, 10:34:09 AM
I've no idea where McManus went to.  I haven't heard peep about him since he left the Bridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on November 30, 2006, 10:50:39 AM
jackie mcmanus is now talking some rugby  team in belfast.   barney mac was asked three times before to take the bridge and wouldn take them,  i don't think they will ask him again.  it'll be intresting to see who is next manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 30, 2006, 10:52:54 AM
I'm thinking of letting my name go forward BridgeGael.  What do you reckon?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on November 30, 2006, 11:01:31 AM
mallon i think that would be a great idea.  although ya be a hard man to get to take training of a sunday morning. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 30, 2006, 11:04:06 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on November 30, 2006, 11:01:31 AM
mallon i think that would be a great idea.  although ya be a hard man to get to take training of a sunday morning. 

You could always ask "the gael" to take the Sunday morning training!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redsky on November 30, 2006, 11:04:47 AM
amallon any word of bridge AGM haven't been about club for few years but wouldn't mind getting involved again. McManus at rugby, didn't he also manage a soccer team at one time. Where did D Bell or P Carroll go to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 30, 2006, 11:18:51 AM
RedSky - No word of an AGM yet but keep checking on this thread and I'll post the details of when its coming up when I get them. 

Sunday morning training!  Are you wise, Sunday afternoon 3rdds matches were too much of a struggle last year. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 30, 2006, 01:48:04 PM
Molloy marks ten years at the top in fine style


By John Campbell

30 November 2006
It's precisely ten years since Alan Molloy made his senior football debut for Down.

It was in a National League tie against Westmeath that the Loughinisland clubman took his baptism in the famous red and black jersey.

Since then he has been a fxture in the side - injury permitting, that is.

And his splendid contribution to the Mourne county cause through good and bad times will be highlighted tonight when he is honoured at a presentation function in the Canal Court Hotel, Newry.

Molloy has played in a variety of positions for Down and has latterly been helping to underpin the problem midfield area.

His versatility, dedication and integrity are qualities that have served Down well and have helped to maintain Molloy's profile as one of the most consistent players in the province.

Down PRO Diarmuid Cahill says: "Alan has been a wonderful servant and while he will obviously continue to play for club and county, the Supporters Club feel it is appropriate that he should be honouerd at this juncture."

Molloy's value to Down has, if anything, been more pronounced of late given that the team has been undergoing a transition.

The Down Supporters Club, an organisation which has raised huge sums of cash to underpin and nurture the GAA in the county, is planning to step up their efforts in this connection next year.

"We are delighted to be honouring Alan Molloy tonight but there is much work to be done on several fronts. There is renewed optimism in Down just now given recent successes at various levels, notably the winning of the All Ireland Minor title last year and the capture of the MacRory and Hogan Cups by the Abbey CBS side this year," explains a Supporters Club official.

Alan Molloy will step onto a centre stage role tonight - and all Down followers hope he will continue to do this on the field of play next year.

Also receiving honours tonight will be the management teams from the Down Under 16 camogie and ladies football sides who took their respective outfits to All Ireland glory earlier in the summer.

These successes underline the progress which is being made in Down and will prove the springboard for a strong drive for more glory at a higher level in the year that lies ahead.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 30, 2006, 02:49:14 PM
Fair play to Molloy he showed a lot of heart and all his appearances in the red and black.

For this year whats the thinking on the NFL, here are Downs fixtures:

04.02.2007 (Sun) @ 2.30pm
An Lú v An Dún
11.02.2007 (Sun)  @ 1.30pm
An Dún v Cill Dara
25.02.2007 (Sun)  @ 2.30pm
An Iarmhí v An Dún
11.03.2007 (Sun)  @ 2.30pm
An Dún v Laois
25.03.2007 (Sun)  @ 3.30pm
Ard Mhacha v An Dún
01.04.2007 @ 3.30pm
An Dún v Doire
08.04.2007 @ 3.30pm
Gaillimh v An Dún

We have a hard run in, we would need to pick up all the points against Louth, Kildare and West Meath.  A weekend in Galway to finish the league is an appealing away fixture if a few lads where to get a bus organised.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 30, 2006, 02:52:41 PM
Where is Westmeaths ground ? What sort of a trip is it ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 30, 2006, 02:53:55 PM
Mullingar. About 2 hrs from Newry. Maybe less with a good run.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 30, 2006, 02:57:09 PM
Cheers , are we welcome down there after we James ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 30, 2006, 03:04:46 PM
Slightly less than 2 hours should do it.  Its a nightmare of a road though.  Wee James should be well forgot about now, whats his name still with West Meath still there?  Larkin wasn't it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redsky on November 30, 2006, 03:57:11 PM
Any word on senior squad yet. Spoke to couple of lads today who played at all trials but as yet have received no notification from senior management or county board; if provisional squad has been picked then surely these lads should be notified......if fellas give up their time the very least they deserve is some respect, doesnt sound like good man management to me anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 30, 2006, 04:34:50 PM
fellas give up time for the CHANCE to be part of a Down Senior football panel. They choose to give up of their time freely, the county management owe nobody anything. imho i believe that this is quite indicitive of an attitude that is so prevolent in Down football circles today.if you ask me nobody should consider themselves a county panelist (whether a member previously or not) until they are asked officially.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 30, 2006, 04:40:36 PM
Brick, I don't get that attitude at all. If players have attended trials, they should be the first to know whether they made it or not. Especially fellas that were asked to come back for second or third trials. Either that or a press release should be sent out before anyone is notified. Nobody should find out they have been dropped through rumours on the grapevine.

Re Mullingar, I went down there for the under-21 final last year and was impressed with the place. It's the perfect size for a county ground, with an ample stand, and the spectators are right on top of the pitch. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 30, 2006, 04:49:24 PM
who has found out then through rumours on the grapevine.I wasnt sayin that the management have no obligation to tell anyone, i think i came across wrong there.
anyway id say it will be a fairly open-ended panel most of the year with a maybe an experimental mckenna cup panel without a few regular faces to start off with. id have high hopes of seeing a few new faces this year that would make some sort of impact or contribution to the cause.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: full back on November 30, 2006, 04:58:48 PM
Quote from: amallon on November 30, 2006, 02:49:14 PM
We have a hard run in

:D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on December 01, 2006, 09:44:25 AM
The minor hurling final takes place on Sunday at Cherryvale. Ballycran v Down Academy. Now Ballycran will win this fairly handy I reckon. They're the best team in the county by a mile, won the minor league and this group of lads have won everything all the way through u12, u14, u16. The Academy team bullied Portaferry in the semi with a rough display of hard hurling. The ref (from the mainland) was very easy on them. No team from outside the Ards has ever won the minor championship and this Academy team won't be the first.

Now that said, a couple of things about the final.
1) Why is it being played on 3 December? The highlight of a minors career play in the wind and rain in December. A disgrace. There were only 4 teams in the A championship so why did it take so long to run it off?
2) Why in Cherryvale? There is no fence around the pitch and you can't charge in. I hope all goes well on Sunday but if anything happens involving spectators the County Board have only themselves to blame. What was wrong with Kilclief, Saul, Downpatrick or Ballykinlar?
3) Why give the game to a Bredagh ref when there are Bredagh players on the Academy team? Hardly neutral!! It's not fair on the ref either, no matter what happens he can't win. It should have been Mowglie or Deccy Magee Portaferry.
Rant over. Good luck to both teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on December 01, 2006, 12:18:15 PM
I take it you are a Cran Colonel Cool? Or are you a relative of Johnnycool? You're all very cool on the Ards!  ;)

If Ballycran are starting to complain about the pitch and the ref before the game they must be very worried!! IMO they should be. The East/South Down team absolutly stuffed Portaferry in the Semi Final. The 2-11 to 0-01 was not down to hard hurling - it was down to skill, commitment and a good game plan on the side line.
Why shouldn't the game be played at Cherryvale? I haven't been there for a while but the facilities were excellent last time I was. It will save you the ferry fare. Kilclief, Downpatrick and Ballykinler pitches are all closed for the winter. The semi final was played in Saul and it looked like the grass had'nt been cut for 6 months. 2 of the smaller Portaferry forwards got lost in the long grass.
As for the ref, I know who you're talking about and he's a decent, fair, ref. It's impossible to get someone completly neutral when you have an Ards team playing a selection from the rest of the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on December 01, 2006, 12:30:21 PM
Any word on Panel ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on December 01, 2006, 12:37:22 PM
I don't know Johnnycool at all Bacon. As for Ballygcran being scared? Wise up. When was an Ards club ever scared of meeting a team for across the water?
I was just pointing out that the basic requirements for a championship final are a proper pitch and a nuetral ref. Both these are missing. But as I said in my original post, Ballycran will still win and win well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 01, 2006, 12:50:09 PM
Colonel Cool - you seem to have got the wrong end of the stick some how  ::). The cherryvale pitch was re-layed during September and is in excellent condition. There will not be a Bredagh ref. The ref is a former Ballygalget member now living in Downpatrick.
Having put those two rumours to bed, I expect a close game on Sunday. This is a very talented and well prepared Academy team. They are a credit to their clubs and management team (Ronan Sheehan, Brian murphy & Ciaran Donnelly) and I expect them to push Ballycran all the way.
No team from outside the Ards has ever won the MHC. I hope these lads make history on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Flat Hedgehog on December 01, 2006, 02:03:04 PM
Good luck to the academy team. What clubs do the non Ards boys come from? Will you be at it Lecale2 or will you not be able to drag yourself out of the Parador?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 01, 2006, 02:17:44 PM
Firstly, I don't know Colonel Cool at all, he/she is no relation.

The academy team beating Portaferry was no big surprise to anyone involved with juvenile hurling, the margin of victory was probably more emphatic than expected, but to but that down to rough, hard hurling speaks of sour grapes.

So, Paul Braniff is refereeing, so what, I don't think there are any Downpatrick lads on the team so I can't see how he may be perceived as biased.

I've seen a few of the academy lads playing for the disasterous Down minor team earlier in the summer and they were no worse or better than the other Ards lads on the team.

Ballycran aren't a great team, they've just had no competition in Down for the last few years and that's no fault of their own, more so Ballygalget and Portaferry's lack of effort at this age group giving them a free run and to date they've been found out in the Ulster minor club series against better opposition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Guillem2 on December 01, 2006, 03:00:21 PM
If this is going to be a competitive match I'll probably go along. What time's throw in? You don't get a chance to watch much hurling in December.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on December 01, 2006, 03:30:51 PM
Decided to take a step across into the new world here - looking good. This is the time of year to be talking football and hurling rather than trying to play it. Why do we end up hosting U21's, playoffs and finals on pitches that have been hammered through the season and then hit hard by the weather that they should be closed for the winter rather than prolonging the damage - I certainly agree that this is in no way hurling weather. I caught part of the Down Academy/Portaferry semi at Saul and it was a credit to the lads on both teams how they battled through gale force winds and a constant downpour.  Down Academy would appear to have enough about them to at least trouble Ballycran in the final.

Finally, I couldn't leave it without responding to the sting from Bacon on the Saul pitch. Even though our seniors had been relegated 2 week previously, the grounds at Saul were prepared (by the hardworking committee folk at Saul), cut, lined and flagged plus scoreboard setup for the Darragh Cross and Ardglass playoff game on the Sunday prior to the Hurling semi so I know a week is a long time but come on!! 6mths!  It pains that this received no mentions on any front compared to Kilcliefs pitch getting credit in the local rag for the condition and setup for our playoff game (even without lines, scoreboard and with only corner flags in place). No disrespect 001 but that just highlights that different strings than the ones we're pulling need to be found to get credit in this county...  but anyway, bring it on ...
Title: Seniors
Post by: DownFanatic on December 01, 2006, 03:35:39 PM
Fintan McGreevey, Aidan Burns and Mickey McVeigh are the 3 Castlewellan players that have been selected for the provisional Down squad. I got wind of it last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 01, 2006, 03:50:03 PM
Hedgehog, I'll be there alright! The Parador holds no attractions compared to a good game of hurling! Here's the squad. 6 clubs represented and there's some good hurlers among them, including Micheal McCartan from Liatroim who is the best minor in the county this year.

Paul Doolel                      Bredagh
Paddy Bryne                 Bredagh
Eoghan Donnelly                Bredagh
Rowan Smart                 Bredagh
Michael Murphy             Warrenpoint
Brendan Murphy            Warrenpoint
Danny Grant                  Warrenpoint
Alan Higgins                  Warrenpoint
Karl Maxwell                  Warrenpoint
John O'Kane                  Warrenpoint
Conan O'Neill                 Warrenpoint
Micheal McCartan          Liatriom
Liam Morgan                 Liatriom
Daniel McCann              Liatriom
Paul McAleenan            Liatriom
Paul Sheehan                Newry Shamrocks
Mark Cribben                 Newry Shamrocks
Shane Courtney             Newry Shamrocks
Gary Courtney               Newry Shamrocks
Mal Magee                    Ballela
Paddy Mc Cambridge     Ballela
Sean Kennedy               Ballyvarley
Paul O'Neill                   Ballyvarley


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on December 01, 2006, 04:30:46 PM
Apologies Sabhall phadraig. I went a wee bit over the top. The grass was probably ok for football but it was definently too long for hurling. We done to your committee for all the other arrangements. It must be hard to get folk motivated when the senior footballers have just been relegated.

Guillem2 - the game is at 1.30pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on December 01, 2006, 05:53:57 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 01, 2006, 03:35:39 PM
Fintan McGreevey, Aidan Burns and Mickey McVeigh are the 3 Castlewellan players that have been selected for the provisional Down squad. I got wind of it last night.
No problem with Mc Greevy and Burns.  Mickey Mc Veigh is no longer one of the top keepers in the county and really shouldn't be there.  His old nemeses, Peter Travers, is around the same age and is playing much better (especially under the high ball). 

One of the problems about guys the same age as Pete is that they were shafted by Pete Mc Grath in the late 90's and early 2000's and they have no interest in playing for the county because of this.  As a staunch College man, I respect Pete Mc Grath for what he did for St. Colman's but thats where it ends.  Some guys were just cast aside when they had alot to offer.   Thats why there are no guys in the prime of their career (late 20's) who have been there before, interested in playing for Down at the minute.  I hope things change under the new regime.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 01, 2006, 08:02:40 PM
Hopefully there will be a good turnout for the match on Sunday, looking forward to seeing what sort of talent there is out there. I have only seen a few of the non Ards guys close at hand so dont know what to expect, but come on the academy!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on December 02, 2006, 05:45:13 PM
is Rori MC ardle  from castlewellan not on the panel also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 03, 2006, 09:51:17 PM

Any result from the minor hurling final at Cherryvale, if it went ahead ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 03, 2006, 10:10:02 PM
Was at the game and The Cran were unstoppable, it was a fine display by them dispite the conditions, some great scores and the Acadamy can be proud of the way they played. there were one from each side sent off, and dont actuall know the correct final score, something like 4-12 to 1-6
Title: County Football squad
Post by: No1 on December 04, 2006, 09:27:08 AM
  As far as I know there has been a Senior football panel of 40 odd lads picked and after the McKenna Cup a rake of boys will get the heave-ho.  The McKenna Cup should see some interesting line-ups! 

  Ricky Kerr, Ciaran Sloan from Kilclief and Magic Johnson were taking part in an in-house game in Downpatrick yesterday.  DJ and Ross can hardly be accused of not looking at all possibles. 





Title: Ulster Hurling league
Post by: MadMick007 on December 05, 2006, 02:57:44 PM
I see the Ulster council are looking for entrants for this years Ulster Hurling league. Will all Down Hurling teams enter? Do you feel this league structure is of benefit? :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 05, 2006, 03:06:21 PM
Any update on the managerial merry go round lads...
Title: Re: Ulster Hurling league
Post by: johnneycool on December 05, 2006, 04:01:29 PM
Quote from: MadMick007 on December 05, 2006, 02:57:44 PM
I see the Ulster council are looking for entrants for this years Ulster Hurling league. Will all Down Hurling teams enter? Do you feel this league structure is of benefit? :-\

With the Antrim hurling leagues very uncertain, the three senior teams should definitely join up again.

I'm not too sure what other clubs didn't participate last year but hopefully Kilclief, Liatroim, Castlewellan, Ballyvarley, Ballela and Clonduff join along with Bredagh, Warrenpoint and the shamrocks. I know it can be a big ask for dual clubs, but the other clubs in Tyrone, Fermanagh etc seem to be able to manage it
Title: Re: All county leagues/playoffs
Post by: 6th sam on December 05, 2006, 11:11:58 PM
Has anybody any opinions on the club playoffs in Down--despite coming from a club with an excellent play-off record,I despise them.
They were introduced for the benefit of clubs with county players,but If we look at promotion/relegation over the past few years,the playoffs appear unnecessary,as I can think of few,if any instances where they have helped clubs with county players.Yet they have painfully prolonged the season,often to the detriment of our county players,and our club representatives in the Ulster series.
A few examples:
Annaclone finished 2nd bottom,but had to endure an 8 week extension to their season to go down anyway.
In Division 2 and 3 similarly ,the Bottom 2 clubs ended up going down anyway.
Promotion wise -Darragh and Clanna Banna  finished 1st and 2nd and ended up going up.
Drumgath probably found it difficult to lift themseves for the Ulster series ,following their playoff defeat.
Only Attical benifitted  from the playoffs this year (and they had no county men),as they finished 3rd,just 1 point behind Warrenpoint.Though who can begrudge Attical as those same playoffs robbed them of promotion 2 years ago ,in ridiculous circumstances.
Last year,if my memory serves me correctly(Wobbler can clarify),Ballyholland with a number of county men,had a good season in Division 1 ,but got dragged into the bottom 4,and ended up going down--How did the playoffs benefit them?
Darragh cross last year got dragged into the bottom 4,on ?22 points ,and ended up going down despite their impressive season.

In a 12 team league,it's easy to see how a team on the verge of the Top 4 can get dragged into the bottom 4--how can that be a fair reflection of a club's consistency over a season.

Do we need these playoffs??
The old argument that it keeps the league competitive to the last day,is ridiculous, as the lack of playoffs in "The Premiership" doesn't exactly make that league uncompetitive towards the end of the season.

If we dropped the playoffs ,it would give us a specific end-point to the season,and give all clubs a meaningful off-season to rest and revitalise players and pitches,and allow county management time to prepare for the forthcoming season.
A league should be a representation of season long consistency,and since most games have to be played without county players anyway,league position should be a reflection of a given clubs overall ability with and without their county men.The last few years have shown that league positions after round 22 are a fairer and more accurate reflection of the "league status" of each club,than a winner-takes-all playoff ,in the muck in late November.

The Championship in GAA,however is the real McCoy,and alot of clubs feel that the  importance of league playoffs  has had a negative effect on the championship.Dropping the playoffs would make the Championship a fitting finale to the club season!



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on December 06, 2006, 09:47:51 AM
Saw the following post on hoganstand, and it made me want to comment...

atticall
How you think aticall will do next season? I think we'll do very well. Well have as strong enuf panel, and dont be suprised to see us finish mid table anyway. With injured players back and he suspended players well be a match for most teams.
aticall gael , tullyframe Ireland , 05/12/2006 at 18:31

I honestly believe they will come straight back down and attain maybe 5 points at the max. This isnt sour grapes as they fully deserved to beat us in the play offs, but really their enthusiasm and style of football will win them friends, but they dont have a strong panel, and dont have enough real quality match winners....

The jump from 2nd to 1st is huge, with every game a championship final for the promoted team. They will benefit from not havng any county players (unless miceal sloan gets a call, and if he does they r fcked!), but their big pitch will suit a lot of div1 teams, and i fear they will really struggle. The gap between 1 and 2 really is too much right now....
Title: Re: All county leagues/playoffs
Post by: full back on December 06, 2006, 10:11:44 AM
Had them in Armagh this year, only brought in, and they are brutal.
In the 2nd division the finalists of the play-off arent even known yet and it is the 6th Dec which means that they will be lucky to get them cleared up before Xmas
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 06, 2006, 10:13:00 AM
6th Sam - I'm a big fan of the play-off system.

It's occasionally cruel on teams who deserved to stay up/go up on league performances, but I've always been of the opinion that if, for example, you aren't fit to come out on top against the 3 other best teams in Division II, well then you aren't fit for Division I and in fact would only bring the standard down if you went up.

The normal league system puts an order on things, but it's the play-offs that really sort the wheat from the chaff. Everybody wants the reward of promotion, but in my opinion teams are better off playing at their natural level.

Secondly, it does keep things interesting right up to the end of the league. In Division II, only Ballymartin had nothing to play for in the last fortnight, and at that they still pulled off a great result in beating Downpatrick. If teams have nothing to play for, the league falls apart. Teams don't show, and when they do show, they've nothing to play for, so games turn into poor challenge games. Without play-offs, a team could quite conceivably be midtable all season, but with the luck of the draw could meet six teams in their last six games with nothing to play for, and storm to the top as a result. This doesn't make them the best team in the league. It doesn't make them deserving of promotion.

Thirdly, there is simply no way Down football could ever function properly again without play-offs. Teams have now got used to fielding without their county players and are prepared to do so in the knowledge that they will not be penalised too heavily for doing so. To reverse this commonsense approach, which allows club football to proceed amicably throughout the summer months, would be sheer madness.


Re the Championship. Let's be honest - in any given year, there are less than a handful of clubs in each of the Championships that can actually win the thing. This is just common sense talking. Don't get me wrong, as it approaches, everyone gets pumped up for the Championship and minds start to wander towards throughts of glory -  but for the majority of clubs, it is only a distraction, and deep down (in many cases, very much up front) they know it's just not going to be their year. This isn't county football, where the league is pigeonholed into the shitty weather months. League football is played on summer's days and for most clubs, improving league peformances is what really counts.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on December 06, 2006, 01:18:22 PM
For once i agree with the wobbler. we must remember we in down would have been finished much earlier if it had not been for that stupid FIVE week break before the last run off 5 matches.We all remember kicking around at training actually looking to arrange challange matches to allow the teams a match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on December 06, 2006, 01:57:20 PM
doubt attical will finish mid table
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on December 06, 2006, 03:00:56 PM
how is ur man lavery playing from down minors playing or ur man mccomiskey was impressed a few years ago
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 06, 2006, 09:10:24 PM
Attical will be straight back down again. No doubt about it.
On the Ulster League, Kilclief and Liatroim really have to enter this. The games won't clash with football. They can't complain about the small number of games in Down Div 1 and then do nothing about it. Bredagh, Warrenpoint and Shamrocks all have positive things to say about their involvement this year. Clubs need games and the Ulster league was well organised & provided games on dates when you weren't getting anything else.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on December 07, 2006, 10:57:08 AM
Any word of whom the new Mayobridge manager is yet ?  Apparently he has been named
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on December 07, 2006, 12:15:47 PM
Is the Marshes getting lights as part of the revamp ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 07, 2006, 12:24:18 PM
Quote from: wombles on December 07, 2006, 12:05:06 PM
Anything interesting up for discussion at the County Convention?

I think there is only one position up for debate, the county chairmans position, Gerry is facing a challenge from Kevin Bell and some other lad. I don't even know the lads name but he can't be as bad as those other two.

I'm not going to use any more profanities in relation to the other two.

Will the Inner circle be broken??? Where's thegael when you really need the shite stirred?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 07, 2006, 12:48:11 PM
The other candidate is Michael Cole a local councillor from Kilkeel. He's a well known football referee.
He put his name forward last year, but following advice from the Pope, he withdrew at the last minute. He'll probably do the same again this year leaving a straight fight between Jerry and Kevin. Has anyone seen the motions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on December 08, 2006, 12:10:21 PM
I attended the hurling convention last night. As usual a tame affair, but there are a couple of things that were discussed that make me fear for the coming year.

Firstly on fixtures. Seamus Walsh is taking over as County secretary and will be missed. The Assisant Hurling secretary Dermot Stewart stood down and no replacement could be found. Dermot was in charge of juvenile fixtures and while there were a few problems, (eg minor championship) he did an excellent job with more games played than in previous years. The fact that he can't be replaced is worrying.
There is also a severe shortage of hurling referees in the county. Apparently there are 21 hurling refs registered in Down. 3 of them have never refereed a single match and 1 only did one game in the whole of last year. 2 of the older guys are retiring. Some of these refs still play or manage teams so it leaves very few to cover u14, u16, minor and adult leagues & championships. If new recruits can't be found games will not be played.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on December 08, 2006, 01:00:11 PM
Ballycran supply 5 of the countys active hurley refs. Portaferry have 2. Its time the other clubs stood up and were counted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on December 08, 2006, 01:25:15 PM
Should the clubs who play in the hurling leagues not be punished if they do not have refs who are active and referee at least 2 games in each section every year.this would then put the power back to the clubs as to what their representatives do for the year/club.
Title: Hurling Board, shut it Down!
Post by: MadMick007 on December 08, 2006, 01:57:09 PM
As we all know the usual dead wood has been elected for the Hurling Board. While no one may want these jobs what is the point in a separate Hurling board? All activities relating to Hurling should fall under the County Board which would help remove the split.
The Hurling Board is a convenient tool whereby the County Board shove any Hurling issues too as they cant be arsed dealing with. All the Hurling Board do is arrange fixtures, surely this can be done by county Board. What does the secretary do? read out the teams at a county match, bravo! The treasurer has given his service but all he does is take a statement from Hugh John and try and read it out, no need, duplication.

Lets get rid of the Hurling Board and introduce a Hurling Development committee where by they report directly to county board. If they reported to Hurling Board any progress would get lost in a talking Shiite shop.

One County Board and development committee's for both football and hurling.

Howe about that!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack4ever on December 08, 2006, 03:36:28 PM
Is there any chance that Gerry Quinn will be voted out as County Chairman?? Just wondering because I know the man personally and I have no respect for him whatsoever. He's a pompous ass, pure and simple.

Mrs. redandblack4ever
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 08, 2006, 03:38:10 PM
Good idea Mad Mick. The current hurling Board only looks after juvenile fixtures. The GAc deals with adult fixtures, football & hurling. I'm not sure what else it does. I think they also need to look at the role of the divisional boards, East & South Down and over haul the whole administration.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on December 08, 2006, 03:52:49 PM
Jerry Quinn will not be defeated on Sunday. He has been running around licking up to club delegates for the past month and has no credible rival. 
The hurling board is the only forum where hurling clubs get together to discuss hurling matters. If all the issues discussed at hurling board went to County Board, the meetings would last a full day and the football delegates would fall asleep or walk out in protest. Brian McAvoy was a good chairman who brought hurling issues to the County Board and delivered a fair bit. Same for South/East Down. The county Board doesn't want to be bothered with organising the East Down Reservse league or the South Down u12 Go Games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on December 08, 2006, 03:57:21 PM
I believe that any club not providing a referee for senior games will be fined £500 next year.  Not sure if this has always been the case.  Does the same penalty apply to hurling clubs playing senior hurling?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on December 08, 2006, 06:25:21 PM
Lads,

looking for a new manager for the up-coming year and hopefully longer than that!! Does any one have any names of people that would be interested to take up the position in an up and coming newly promoted Division 3 team, and how would I go about getting in contact with them?

Thanks in ernest!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 09, 2006, 10:22:40 AM
Quote from: Bacon on December 08, 2006, 03:52:49 PM
Jerry Quinn will not be defeated on Sunday. He has been running around licking up to club delegates for the past month and has no credible rival. 
The hurling board is the only forum where hurling clubs get together to discuss hurling matters. If all the issues discussed at hurling board went to County Board, the meetings would last a full day and the football delegates would fall asleep or walk out in protest. Brian McAvoy was a good chairman who brought hurling issues to the County Board and delivered a fair bit. Same for South/East Down. The county Board doesn't want to be bothered with organising the East Down Reservse league or the South Down u12 Go Games.

Whilst I agree that the hurling board is the only forum where the hurling clubs could get together to discuss hurling matters there's no point if its a toothless monster who can not make any impact on hurling related matters. What great initiatives have come out of the hurling board especially in relation to juvenile hurling in recent years?
Why did the hurling board refuse to meet with the Ards clubs in two seperate occasions when it was blantantly obvious that we are slipping well behind Antrim, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone in juvenile hurling structures? Why did Ronan Sheehan stand up and say he got more out of the one meeting held in portaferry to discuss juvenile hurling than he has on the hurling board in the last two years?

Someone talked about the deadwood and by god was he right: Willie Johnston has served his time and is of no real benefit to the committee, Jimmy Keenan needs to look at what the role of a secretary actually is and stop farming out his roles to other people and then playing the ignorance card when it suits. Brian McEvoy is a good leader but didn't have enough vision on hurling related matters. I've always found him to be a genuine lad but wasn't helped by the morons round him. Kevin Bell is too devious and looking after his own little empire and IMO doesn't have the best interests of Down hurling at heart, telling lies to everyone he meets because he thinks that's what they want to hear. I actually attended a few of these meetings in my time and had to stop going before I lost my sanity and its always a struggle in our club to get someone to go to the meetings because of the futility of the exercise.

Time for change, either let the full county board run it or give it real powers and hopefully a lot of the young blood involved in hurling will take it more seriously and f**k the old farts out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 09, 2006, 12:24:18 PM
JC what initiatives have the hurling committee come up with for juvenile hurling in the last, say two years? what about the vaunted "Ring fenced" U14 team to stay together until minor. what are the other counties doing, putting time and effort into the juvenile set up. the Hurling council couldn't even be bothered to sent a rep to the U14 B final, and as for the U14 Academy squad match, that was a complete farce.

So what next?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on December 10, 2006, 03:50:37 PM
Kevin Bell has been elected as the new Down chairman.  Jerry Quinn's support for Paddy O'Rourke obviously came back to bite him.  Still think he would have done a better job than Bell.  I hadn't much time for him when he was there before.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on December 10, 2006, 07:19:53 PM
Agree Cloc Mor.Sorry to see Jerry Quinn go. His judgement with Paddy has cost him but to throw him out so soon is an over-reaction. We need leadership at a difficult time and I am unconvinced Kevin Bell will provide it. There is not a lot of glamour in the job and Jerry was not in it for his ego. Ah well, the GAA we all love !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on December 10, 2006, 07:41:56 PM
Re. Kevin Bells election as Co. Chairman, a backward step, of incredible stupidity. Another year to be faced dereft of vision or innovation. The Gael would offer more. We have only ourselves to blame, when you accept mediocrity then that is what you get.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on December 10, 2006, 08:13:07 PM
Jerry Quinn has been slated on the board from pillar to post.  I have never joined in with this criticism as I genuinely believed that he had the best interests of Down at heart.  He wasn't in the job for what he could get out of it and his stubbornness over the Paddy O' Rourke affair didn't help.  I believe he took into Paddy Heaney over some of his articles in the Irish News and Bredagh were none to happy with this.  The vote was then very close with only 3 or 4 votes in it - Mickey Cole got 2 votes (even though there were 3 delegates from his club eligible to vote).

Another bad day for Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Dun Deal on December 10, 2006, 10:34:45 PM
I'm wasn't the biggest fan of Quinn - think he tied his Paddy O'Rourke colours to the mast a bit too tight - but in fairness he did the job for the love of it. Don't know if Bell will be any better though. He doesn't exactly inspire.

I wonder how many of the County executive voted for Bell?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 11, 2006, 10:30:08 AM
It was really hobsons choice of those two. Kevin is every bit as arrogant at Gerry Quinn and with probably less ability or vision.

I suppose every country gets the government it deserves so to speak.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 11, 2006, 01:57:50 PM
I'm surprised JQ lost out to Kevin Bell. I thought he would hang on. I wasn't at the convention and only heard the result when I looked in here a few minutes ago. The POR issue was the main one I guess. He made us all look foolish the way he allowed that situation to drag on. In what way did he attack Bredagh in his speech?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Duin Abu on December 11, 2006, 04:49:55 PM
At yesterdays convention Gerry Quinn had a straight pop at Paddy Heaney and then went on question whether or not the Bredagh club ( in essence he was questioning every member of their club) were of the same opinion as Paddy Heaney. I would ask how can a club be responsible for an individuals opinions? Paddy Heaney was writing in a professional capacity, something that Gerry Quinn does for a living, and the issue of his club should not have been dragged into it. The two Bredagh reps quite rightly took exception to his comments and were eventually allowed to speak and make their views known. Whether or not it mattered on the day however  is questionable as I think he signed his own warrant over the Paddy O'Rourke issue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Dun Deal on December 11, 2006, 11:43:31 PM
So what does Bell have to offer this time around?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on December 12, 2006, 02:05:23 PM
dunno what way the county is heading now, the top definitely needs a good clear out but then again we are back to the same old question: who else wants to do it???? theres hardly a queue. but look on the bright side, at least we wont have to listen to gerry on the microphone at the club championship games, or at least we hope not!! (how are we going to know that the burger stand and tuck shop open now)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on December 12, 2006, 03:52:57 PM


By John Campbell

Down County board chairman Jerry Quinn has predicted that before 2007 is out the top GAA players will be financially compensated for their involvement in the games.

"Not as pay for play but in some other guide", Quinn told the delegates at yesterday's Mourne Convention in Newry.

And he warned that this is one of a number of challenges looming on the horizon.

"It seems no time since we were being told to prepare for the challenges of the new millennium and "now six years on the winds of change are blowing", declared Quinn.

In accepting that international sports in other codes will be played at Croke Park shortly, Quinn expressed fears as to just how long it will be before the Association is faced with similar demands for such sports to play on other GAA grounds.

"How we manage the issues which will confront us will be a major challenge", added Quinn.

He expressed the hope though that the ongoing development work at Pairc Esler in Newry will be completed in time to allow Down to perhaps host a possible home-game against Monahan in the Bank of Ireland Ulster Senior Football Championship next June.

"There is no doubt that the completion of the new stand, the floodlighting and the improved playing "surface in particular will greatly enhance Newry as a modern stadium", asserted Quinn.

But while there will be a new look to the county's premier ground, several old familiar faces are about to exit the administrative setup.

Donal McCormack has stepped down as secretary following a 33-year association with the Down Board in various roles while treasurer John Harper will step down next year under the terms of the Special Review Committee Report the next few years will see others move in Down, just as will be the case in other counties.

"In less then five years from now there will be many new faces - younger faces - and the county "management structure will have a different age profile," Quinn said.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on December 13, 2006, 09:07:38 AM
Well done to Ballycran minors with their win over Cushendall in the ulster semi final. Terrible time off year to be playing important minor matches. Good luck in the final. God knows Down hurling needs a bit of success after an awful year.

I see over on the Antrim thread that Bredagh are joining the Antrim league next year. It probably makes more sense for them but a sad loss to the Down leagues. Darragh Cross dropped out last year now Bredagh & we only have a handful of clubs anyway. Who will be next. Down hurley really is in big trouble, and not just outside the Ards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 13, 2006, 01:26:03 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on December 13, 2006, 09:07:38 AM
Well done to Ballycran minors with their win over Cushendall in the ulster semi final. Terrible time off year to be playing important minor matches. Good luck in the final. God knows Down hurling needs a bit of success after an awful year.

I see over on the Antrim thread that Bredagh are joining the Antrim league next year. It probably makes more sense for them but a sad loss to the Down leagues. Darragh Cross dropped out last year now Bredagh & we only have a handful of clubs anyway. Who will be next. Down hurley really is in big trouble, and not just outside the Ards.

What's stopping Bredagh competing in Antrim league and the Down league?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredagh on December 13, 2006, 02:43:55 PM
 That would be the intention of Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on December 14, 2006, 01:16:04 PM
Someone must have a fair idea what the panel is by now ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on December 14, 2006, 01:19:47 PM
You'll find all you're looking for here.
http://www.carpanels.co.uk/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on December 14, 2006, 01:42:38 PM
  I wouldn't be expecting to see or hear an official panel until the McKenna Cup run is over, it looks as though those games are going to be treated simply as glorified trial games.  Fair enough I say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 14, 2006, 03:37:37 PM
Quote from: No1 on December 14, 2006, 01:42:38 PM
  I wouldn't be expecting to see or hear an official panel until the McKenna Cup run is over, it looks as though those games are going to be treated simply as glorified trial games.  Fair enough I say.

But surely there's still some form of provisional list available of the forty or so still in contention.

Has no one been  cut yet??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on December 14, 2006, 05:14:19 PM
 Seems to be very little news coming out!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on December 14, 2006, 06:54:40 PM
how many kilclief men no1, i hear rosy is on it, is richard kerr? and i hear a lad richie from saul is on it, a lot of new faces afaik liam doyle is the only liatroim man who went
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on December 15, 2006, 10:14:43 AM
I hear three dpk men on it Turley,Gracey and Telford
Title: U-21's
Post by: DownFanatic on December 17, 2006, 04:15:54 PM
East Down U-21 B Championship Final

Ardglass 0-13  Naomh Seosamh (Aughlisnafin, Ballykinlar, Dundrum) 3-09


South Down U-21 B Championship Final

An Riocht 5-09  Ballymartin 1-09


I heard Kilcoo beat Cnoc ni Drinn by 3 In the East Down A Final. Did anyone hear how the South Down A Final went?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Guillem2 on December 17, 2006, 09:14:38 PM
Who are  Cnoc ni Drinn? Never heard of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 17, 2006, 09:27:11 PM
Cnoc ni Drinn are an amalgamation of Loughinisland, Downpatrick and Teconnaught.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on December 17, 2006, 09:38:36 PM
As far as I know the East Down U-21 B final ended in confusion today with the ref blowing up early.
He sent 2 off from Ardglass late in the second half, didn't seem to regain control of the situation and ended the game.
The talk afterwards was that he abandonded the game with no result to be registered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on December 18, 2006, 10:52:55 AM
Quotehow many kilclief men no1

Rosie played in an in-house game 2 weeks ago and was told to expect a phone call, he's still waiting AFAIK. 

  He's on the hurling panel so if the phone call from DJ/Ross doesn't come then he won't have to make a difficult choice.

  Ricky is on the panel at the minute but he's waiting on a hernia operation so I am not sure how that will turn out.

  Donnan Ritchie from Saul is not there, the only rep they have is the team doctor and I hope he is a better doctor than he was a football manager  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on December 18, 2006, 08:50:00 PM
Quote from: No1 on December 18, 2006, 10:52:55 AM
  Donnan Ritchie from Saul is not there, the only rep they have is the team doctor and I hope he is a better doctor than he was a football manager  ;D

Typical scum-from-the-shore style there No1 - I'd have expected that as a long time contributor to discussions here you could at times drag yourself above the petty - obviously not!!

Its very easy to take a pop at someone who has put themselves obviously in the firing line just because they step forward and dedicate a significant percentage of their lives to their club. Its bad enough that you grab the chance to have another dig at Saul with no obvious lead to doing it but when you then start to also have go at a guy's occupation then you're over the line - especially when you as most can hide behind the anonymous ....  and before you ask, I'm not the person you're taking a swipe at ...

Tell us all how much graft you put in for your club (and spouting on here doesn't count  ;) )  - I'd be amazed if its anything other than a minor % of the work of some of the volunteers you're back-stabbing.

Now wouldn't it be great if all the clubs in Down could drag themselves out of this level of in-bred negativity and throw support in behind Ross and his team (no matter who's on it) - if that was to happen we might have a chance of the worrying the Kerry's and Tyrone's of this world rather than allowing counties like Sligo to turn us over as we keep going through our introverted dive to nowhere.  Any chance?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on December 18, 2006, 09:35:05 PM
Totally agree Sabhallphadraig. We need positive commitment not negative cynicism.No 1 is like the gael, Herring-Gutter etc -hurlers on the ditch .He who never made a mistake never made anything.Ross and DJ will get it wrong but they have the courage to lead a limited group of players- we all need to support them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on December 19, 2006, 08:51:36 AM
  FFS boys would yiz lighten up?

  Dubh Driocht, where exactly do I criticise management or players?  As someone who has followed the footballers all over the country in the last 10 years I certainly don't need a lecture from you on "support".  To compare me to those other 2 posters is laughable at best and insulting at worst.

  Saul man, you seriously need to grow up.  Where have I had a go at the fellas competency at his job?  You know f**k all about me and work I put into my club so don't start throwing accusations and bullshit about me around.  If you want to PM me I'll give you my name and exactly what positions I've held and exactly what work I've done for my club.

  The last time you were on here you were crying that the local media didn't give you any credit for having a playable pitch with all the flags lined out neatly and somehow made out that Kilclief were to blame, wtf is that about?

  I can't help having a swipe at youse boys, it's a bit of craic and boys like Dony and Stratts can take it in the spirit that it is mean't and give it back in the same manner, you obviously can't.

  Two more things, when did you boys re-brand from blue and yellow to blue and gold and why?

  As for the "scum-from-the shore" comment, that says more about you than it does about me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 20, 2006, 11:45:57 AM
It's December 20th, competitive football starts in a fortnight or so, and there's still no sign of a provisional football squad being named.

Come on Ross, give us something to talk about.


On a side note, 50 players have been selected for Down under-21 trials this weekend, and it really looks like we're going to be strong in this tournament this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 20, 2006, 01:10:07 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 20, 2006, 11:45:57 AM


Come on Ross, give us something to talk about.




Wobbler,stuck for words! ;)

Regarding the early date for under 21 trials,Pete's selection as manager,and our obvious talent at this age-could this be the year for our first under 21 title,since 1979?Who will be the main players......is their any new talent out there......is your own Paddy McNulty still underage?
Any thoughts,Wobbler et al.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 20, 2006, 01:17:08 PM
U21s should on paper be a very decent group of players but sure look what happened to last years team against Armagh.

i wouldnt be as optimistic about this team's chances as some might be purely becasue usually our very talented teams at various grades fail to live up to expectations and ultimately falter and our more unglamorous less talented teams seem to do better ie minor team that won all ireland was nowhere near the best mninor team we have produced since the "still to graduate" class of '99.

Big players for U
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 20, 2006, 01:18:22 PM
oops.

typo there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on December 21, 2006, 10:19:40 AM
anyone heard that scullion has opted out this season? also heard that 2 hurlers showing well; mcgourty & johnson
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on December 21, 2006, 10:22:08 AM
no u21s or college players included in current panel; a number of players given extra time to rest; leaving a training panel of a number of unknowns......

Carr fumes over ruling on winter friendlies 
GAA 
By Ronan McManus 

DOWN manager Ross Carr has hit out at the new GAA directive which prevents inter-county teams playing challenge matches in December.

Carr and his assistant DJ Kane have been trawling through the Mourne county since their appointment in late October to bring together a panel for the year ahead, with the McKenna Cup kicking off in just over two weeks.

"These recent orders from Croke Park have confined our preparation somewhat," said Carr.

"At the end of the day, the likes of this management team, who are new to the job, are trying to scour the county for players and we have decided on 40 to for the time being.

"We need to see these boys playing other county players but, unfortunately, Croke Park has decreed a rule that we can't do that."

The new directive from Central Council was designed for the benefit of the players – to extend their off season – but Carr believes the rules are unfair on players.

"There are only so many times the lads can play games between ourselves before they get pissed off?" said the 1991 and 1994 All-Ireland winner.

Carr, who was in charge of Monaghan club Castleblayney last year, also revealed that facilities have also been a problem.

"We've been at the mercy of the clubs to give us their pitches and with the spell of poor weather it's been a problem getting adequate facilities," he said.

However, despite the problems in preparing for the upcoming McKenna Cup the Clonduff man is still looking forward to the competitive matches with his new squad.

"I'm looking forward to getting the games, but with a wee bit of trepidation," said Carr.

"We're going into it not knowing how the fellas will fare with a lot of them not having played in senior inter-county matches yet. So we will just have to wait and see."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on December 21, 2006, 11:36:04 AM
"also heard that 2 hurlers showing well; mcgourty & johnson"

Seen McGourty play in the U-21 Championship recently, looks like a fine young player for the future.
Would be doubtful if he's a ready made solution for the 2007 team, but definately 1 to be groomed for a midfield slot, needs regular football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on December 22, 2006, 09:16:18 AM
Just like to wish all Down fans a Happy and Peaceful Christmas and for 2007 better days ahead lads . ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on December 22, 2006, 12:07:06 PM
I would like to echo the sentiments of down red & black.

Having finally made the change over to the new board i would also like to extend my sympathy to all patrons who have been denied the opportunity to read my comments in the past number of months.  i will try to fill this void in your lives in the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 22, 2006, 04:38:56 PM
Happy Christmas to all Down gaels(even "THE gael").
Hoping for a successful 2007 for all Down teams,football and hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Armagh Exile on December 30, 2006, 09:01:02 PM
Quote"Our preparation for the championship went well and the training was enjoyable.

"We'd do six or seven mile runs around the lake in Castlewellan and everyone was really putting it into it.

Can't see Ross using this training method.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on December 31, 2006, 03:40:23 PM
was at the game in newcastle  very bad conditions  but few new faces done OK magic johnson Jackie lynch Aidan burns peter turley all big men maybe the it was the conditions that suited them but the next few months will be interisting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 31, 2006, 09:51:44 PM
what was the score?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Dun Deal on January 01, 2007, 07:42:10 PM
Seniors put Down the Allstar challenge


The Down senior team proved too strong for the Powerade Down Allstars in a special charity football game in St Patrick's Park, Newcastle yesterday, securing a 2-8 to 0-4 win.

Played in atrocious conditions with a swirling gale force breeze blowing down the pitch, the players who took part must be complimented on providing an entertaining game with some excellent passages of good football in the conditions.

The Down side played the better football and it was evident that Ross Carr has done a lot to whip them into shape since being appointed along with DJ Kane.

Stephen Toner, Joe Doran, Darren Cunningham and Jackie Lynch were strong in the Down defence with county hurler Gareth 'Magic' Johnson making an impressive senior football debut at midfield.

In attack, Kevin Gracey, Brendan Loughran and Connor Gribben were most impressive.

For the Allstars, Daniel McCartan, Alan Molloy and James McGovern worked hard in defence. Martin McClean was the better of the midfielders, while, in attack, Ronan Sexton and John Fegan were best.

Down attacked from the start with Brendan Loughran lobbing over two points. The Allstars fought back with a Ronan Sexton point and the sides were level at 0-3 each midway through the half after Stephen Kearney and John Quinn exchanged points and John Fegan punched over when a goal looked certain.

Two goals for Down by Kevin Gracey and Conor Gribben left Down ahead by 2-4 to 0-3 at half time. Within a minute of the restart, Brendan Loughran increased the winners' lead with a point and, with both sides making numerous changes and the conditions

worsening, scores were scarce.

Ronan Sexton and Adrian Carville exchanged points, as did John Fegan and Daniel Hughes, while Allstars 'keeper Sean James Brannigan brought off two great saves from Daniel Hughes and Kevin Gracey late in the game.

John Fegan then saw a great effort for the Allstars come back off the crossbar and cleared to safety.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 02, 2007, 11:39:08 AM
Happy New year lads.  It wasn't a bad game of football yesterday considering the conditions were as bad as you could get.  Magic looked the part yesterday, he was good in the air and strong in the tackle.  There is potential there t will be interesting to see how he goes next week against Antrim.  £1400 raised for charity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 02, 2007, 04:18:21 PM
Did Magic look as if he had played the game all his life? the guy is a natural athlete and has the build but does he have the talent?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 02, 2007, 04:43:29 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 02, 2007, 04:18:21 PM
Did Magic look as if he had played the game all his life? the guy is a natural athlete and has the build but does he have the talent?

Midfield, WTF, we'd never play him there in a month of sundays as he isn't the best at marking and can get a bit lazy but when he's a point to prove or someone has given him a belt he's at his best and would go through brick walls.

Hopefully Ross and DJ can get him fit for the hurling later on in the year  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 03, 2007, 08:27:27 PM
Weather permitting this could be a good game, both teams need a good start under new managment and new players and no doubt in sections of both camps the knives are being sharpened for the team who looses, so what price a draw?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 03, 2007, 09:26:18 PM
Big pitch - who will it suit?  I wonder if the team will bear any resemblance to the one which played against the championship all-star team.  I reckon Magic will start somewhere and people who were at the match will tell you he has something to offer.  It would be nice to get off to a good start.  Jody Gormley may not know alot about this 'new' Down team and I'm sure Ross and DJ would like to get one over the ex-Down coach.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 03, 2007, 10:13:49 PM
The result on Sunday is of very little consequence for Down, and it is really only the performance which matters. I would be happy enough if we lost all three games in the McKenna Cup and came up with a decent squad in time for the National League in February. A run in the McKenna Cup would be OK, but it is far too early to be building up expectations. Sunday is for experimentation and in particular starting to put together the kind of reliable defence which we have lacked for around a decade. Our aim has to be survival in division one of the league before clearing the way for the game in which Ross and DJ will really be judged, against Cavan in the championship. We would prefer not to lose to Antrim, but no one will remember the score when the summer comes. My only concerns about Sunday are the traffic jams in Downpatrick if a decent crowd turns up and the prospect of an elderly fan (me) slipping down the grassy slopes if it rains.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 04, 2007, 09:03:17 AM
  Totally agree Mourne Rover.

  Downpatrick is a fine venue for a game (I feel dirty after writing that) if the rain stays away.  If it pishes just watch from the clubhouse with a pint in your hand, like Lecale 2 normally does  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 04, 2007, 09:08:31 AM
Ah, the annual trip to the first McKenna Cup game. Every year I get sucked in to travelling along to see who the new faces year, every year within 5 minutes of the throw-in I'm blue from the cold and questioning my sanity.

Downpatrick concerns me a little. Magnificent facilities, and I imagine the bank would be a wonderful place to sit with a six pack on a sunny summer's day watching football, but if the weather does what it's been doing, there'll be very few places to enjoy the the game on a firm foothold.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 04, 2007, 09:20:55 AM
Down's Squad for Sunday.

1 Bernard Connell Drumgath
2 Aidan Burns Castlewellan
3 Adrian Carville Bryansford
4 Martin Cole Rostrevor
5 Darren Cunningham Saval
6 Barry Doran Longstone
7 Kevin Gracey Downpatrick
8 Conor Gribben Bryansford
9 Eoin Henry Warrenpoint
10 Stephen Kearney Mitchels
11 Brendan Loughran Shamrocks
12 Jack Lynch Drumgath
13 Padraig Matthews Clonduff
14 Ruairi McArdle Castlewellan
15 Martin McClean Kilcoo
16 Michael McVeigh Castlewellan
17 Colin McCrickard Liatroim
18 Brendan McGourty Ballycran
19 Fintan McGreevy Castlewellan
20 Kevin McGuigan Shamrocks
21 Colm Murtagh Glenn
22 Brendan Rodgers Mayobridge
23 Brian Sweeney St Michaels
24 Peter Telford Downpatrick
25 Stephen Toner Bryansford
26 Kevin Duffin Castlewellan
27 Declan Rooney Burren
28 Peter Turley Downpatrick
29 Peter Turley Saval
30 Gareth Johnson Ballygalget


Looks like Ross is giving every big fella in the county a run out this weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 04, 2007, 09:22:55 AM
Even the attraction of a pint in the club house won't get me to Downpatrick on Sunday! As far as I'm concerned, this is the closed season. I haven't been to a McKenna cup match in years and I cann't see me starting this year. Besides I'm off the drink  :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on January 04, 2007, 02:32:23 PM
brian sweeney!used be good player havent saw him in a while, i complete mess of a lad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on January 04, 2007, 05:08:53 PM
County Board are looking for high caliber coaches to look after the new hurling development squads that are starting in March. If any of the hurling posters know anybody who may be interested could you let them know to pass their names to Sean Og through the club secretary. The commitment will be something like 8 Saturday mornings through the season with a possible weekend away as well so it can be fitted in along side other commitments.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 04, 2007, 07:09:03 PM
Im surprised Bryan Sweeney has been selected for the game on Sunday. I thought he would of been away with the Irish Jaw-breaking squad at the World Championships. >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 04, 2007, 07:59:59 PM
Ross and DJ seem to have named a development squad for Sunday, with only Marty Cole and Mickey McVeigh included from last summer's championship panel. Presumably there is a separate national league squad, with five or six places left vacant for new players emerging from the McKenna Cup. That seems fair enough to me, but, given the completely experimental nature of our likely team, the chances of an Antrim win at Downpatrick must have risen sharply. Is any bookie offering odds ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Dun Deal on January 04, 2007, 08:05:35 PM
Reading some of the replies on the Antrim thread they seem to be none too confident about their own chances on Sunday. It should be interesting to see what the actual starting 15 is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 04, 2007, 08:08:04 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 04, 2007, 09:22:55 AM
Even the attraction of a pint in the club house won't get me to Downpatrick on Sunday! As far as I'm concerned, this is the closed season. I haven't been to a McKenna cup match in years and I cann't see me starting this year. Besides I'm off the drink  :(

another quote from Tuesady "Off the drink and going to start a fitness programme sometime soon. If I last to the weekend I'll have beaten last year's record"

getting close to the record then Lecale ;)



Title: Development squads
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 04, 2007, 08:29:57 PM
QuoteCounty Board are looking for high caliber coaches to look after the new hurling development squads that are starting in March.

Should the same not apply to football?  Some of the work being done in football at developmental level is very poor.  It has been well noted on other websites that young lads don't even want to play for the development squads.  There is something seriously wrong if this is the case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 04, 2007, 09:53:41 PM
No point buying a programme on Sunday lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 05, 2007, 06:20:44 AM
hav to say its great to see bernie connell on the panel for sunday about time the lad got a chance great keeper at schools and uni level, hard position to break into but definately think he should be kept about there to eventually get the no1 jersay!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on January 05, 2007, 11:24:44 AM
I see McGourty and Magic Johnston are in the Down McKenna cup panel.

Out of interest who do these boys play for?

Is there a football club in Ballycran?

I assume from previous posts that there isn't one in Ballygalget?

If there's not who do these boys play for?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 05, 2007, 11:56:52 AM
  McGourty is registered with Darragh Cross as far as I know.  Kilclief hold Magic's registration.

  However, don't be at all surprised if they both end up playing for Loughinisland this year (if they intend to play club football).  Reports I am hearing suggest the blues are trying very hard to add to their foreign legion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on January 05, 2007, 12:03:09 PM
Have they been playing regular club football over the last few years?

You say registered but not playing which is interesting.

It's just interesting to see that Ross Carr has picked these boys perhaps on the basis of a few trials? That's not to say they're no good as I'd say they are primarily good athletes and sportsmen and could be moulded into good footballers. Without wanting to initiate a debate it would be a lot easier to pick up football than hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 05, 2007, 12:14:14 PM
  Up until the trials Magic had played no competitive club football since he played a few games for Kilclief minors.  I am not sure what age he is but I would say that was at least 5 years ago. 

  McGourty, AFAIK, played in the U-21 East Down competitons for an amalgamated side for the last couple of years.  Something tells me he was on a county minor football squad at one time.  I am  not sure though, johnneycool might know better.

  I'd agree that it would be a miilion times easier for a hurler to pick up football, than for a footballer to take up hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on January 05, 2007, 12:22:51 PM
Very good , thanks No1 - it's just something I was interested to know.

It's good that with amalgamated sides etc. that your county isn't completely split between football and hurling.

If I remember correctly I think I read McGourty is a cousin of the St Galls McGourtys so should have football in his blood.

Antrim is very much split between football and hurling and I would say there would be a lot of untapped football resources in the hurling areas. It's good to see it's not entirely like that everywhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: theskull1 on January 05, 2007, 12:36:32 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 05, 2007, 12:22:51 PM
Antrim is very much split between football and hurling and I would say there would be a lot of untapped football resources in the hurling areas.

Looking at the GAA landscape tommyg, do you not think that football has enough resources without raping strong hurling areas of thier talents?  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on January 05, 2007, 12:49:37 PM
can it not work both ways
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 05, 2007, 01:34:57 PM
McGourty in registered to play football with St Pauls, played in some pre-season friendlies last year and for the U-21s in the recent East Down Championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 05, 2007, 01:59:56 PM
Quote from: uselessfootballer on January 05, 2007, 01:34:57 PM
McGourty in registered to play football with St Pauls, played in some pre-season friendlies last year and for the U-21s in the recent East Down Championship

Kevin Blaney must of pulled a few strings there as Brendan was involved with Darragh Cross for a while and was indeed on a county minor football squad at least a few years back, don't think he got a start though.

Magics footballing career is much less intense as he played a bit for his school De La Salle in downpatrick and then the odd game with Kilclief at minor. He may have had a go at the football in Chicago on his last few visits as it was a Saul man who was arranging those trips who in his time back home was very handy at both codes during a time when Saul and Kilclief were friendlier than the seem to be now.

As for Magics registration, I'd say it rests with Ballygalget but on the footballing side, if he hasn't featured for kilclief for over a year he'd be free to go to the island if he so chooses.

I hear he looked a bit cumbersome and prone to fouling in the charity game, i can't imagine tackling being his strong point but then again the tackle in football is a bit of a lottery to most it seems.
Title: Re: Superblues
Post by: imtommygunn on January 05, 2007, 02:13:45 PM
Is it not the case that if you are from a hurling only club you can play football for another club but if you are a football only club then you can't play hurling for another club?

Doesn't sound fair I know but if my memory serves me correctly I think that's the rule.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 05, 2007, 02:15:09 PM
Quote from: Bacon on January 04, 2007, 05:08:53 PM
County Board are looking for high caliber coaches to look after the new hurling development squads that are starting in March. If any of the hurling posters know anybody who may be interested could you let them know to pass their names to Sean Og through the club secretary. The commitment will be something like 8 Saturday mornings through the season with a possible weekend away as well so it can be fitted in along side other commitments.

sometimes the tail does need to hit the dog up the bollocks to get things started  ;)

I konw there was a bit push to get as many of our senior players to take the level 1 coaching course with the child protection element to follow shortly. A good few took it up and it was made abundantly clear all over the weekend of the course that there would be roles for everyone in and outside the club in the coming year.
Hopefully some take up the challenge to address the major deficiences we have in our juvenlie set up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on January 05, 2007, 02:18:02 PM
Sounds like you were there youself JC! Will you be getting involved?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 05, 2007, 02:23:26 PM
Tommygun - there's no rule preventing someone from a football only club playing hurling with another club AFAIK. It's fairly common in Down but I won't give details incase it's not strictly legal  ;).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 05, 2007, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: Bacon on January 05, 2007, 02:18:02 PM
Sounds like you were there youself JC! Will you be getting involved?

I actually wasn't at that course but will probably offer to get involved in the near future. I've got the foundation badge a few years back but will need to upgrade to level 1 and the child protection shortly.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 05, 2007, 06:39:30 PM
With all the talk about the development squads for hurling what will be the make up of them, will there be under 14s and above, will there be two from each age group, one made up from the Ards and one from the rest, or has this not been deceided yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 06, 2007, 01:34:03 PM
As far as I know the intention is to have one all county squad. It will be made up of young fellas with the potential to play for the county so it will be dominated by the Ards clubs. Sessions will be at a central venue, Castlewellan was mentioned as a possibility. I think the plan is to start with an u14 squad this year. Next year we'll have that squad as u15s and a new u14 squad. Players will be selected following a series of trails where they will be tested in the basic skills of the game. I think there's a real will among hurling people in the county to make this work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on January 06, 2007, 11:01:30 PM
You're not far wrong there Lecale2. The details are still be worked out but it will be along the lines you suggest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 07, 2007, 06:06:16 PM
Surely there were better places to take the game to.  Was talking to people who said conditions were atrocious.  Good enough field but spectator facilities (costing £7) were very poor.  Surely there were Health and Safety issues with people standing on a very slippery grass surface on a day pouring with rain.  Shows how far behind other counties we are if Downpatrick is the best we can come up with in the month of January (no disrespect intended to DPK).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 07, 2007, 06:26:13 PM
I had a bit of a row with one of the gatemen on the way in. I wanted to know how he had the nerve to ask £7 into an uncovered muckpile to watch two 'b' teams playing in the pissing rain. He just kept pointing at the sign. He then tried to charge my disabled cousin for entry, but backed off when the foul language came on the scene.

Seriously though, £7 is an absolute disgrace and the Ulster Council should be ashamed of themselves. They should be encouraging attendances at these games, not trying to screw those who come along.  If it wasn't for the aforementioned cousin's love of all things Down I don't think I'd bother again this year.     

As for the game, well it just wasn't football. Proof once again that Gaelic football should only be played in the summer months. As you would expect, considering they had an experienced enough core in place, Antrim looked the better organised and the more clinical in front of the posts. Even with their plethora of six-footers Down struggled for long periods to gain possession at midfield, and for some reason continually refused to play direct football, even though the conditions were crying out for it, second half with the wind especially. But given that it's the first time most of these lads have been on the field together it was understandable, and like other posters, I'm fully behind what Ross is doing here. If he uncovers just 1 six-foot tall athlete from this experiment, it'll be worthwhile.

I'm still not 100% sure of who some of the fellas were, but of the Down side, Stepen Kearney looked bright before getting injured, Stephen Toner caught they eye at corner-back, Peter Telford and Decky Rooney had their moments, and Aidan Burns and Eoin Henry both brought something to the game when introduced.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 07, 2007, 06:32:05 PM
ADMIN - do we really need two threads on virtually the same subject.  Could we not merge the two Down threads.  Any views on this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 07, 2007, 07:11:58 PM
An absolute disgrace, fixing this game for Downpatrick, which is probably the club ground least suited to cater for spectators at this time of year. High admission charge unnecessary and unjustifiable,and will do nothing to promote attendance at McKenna Cup games, especiallywith tg4 excellent live coverage. As for the game itself, little be could drawn from it, except perhaps as one poster previously remarked, Down are still incapable of playing direct football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 08, 2007, 06:18:17 PM
The Clonduff Management Committee ratified the appointment of Benny Corrigan as new Senior Team Manager at their meeting on Thursday night. Benny has just finished a five-year spell with his home club, Bryansford with whom he won a Senior Championship. He was a fully committed player and manager with Bryansford and has guaranteed the same commitment to Clonduff. Selectors will be in place as soon as possible.
Clonduff website
Just after picking this up from the Clonduff website.  Benny Corrigan is a great acquisition for Clonduff.  Heard they had trouble getting a manager and had been knocked back by 14 prospective managers.  This doesn't take away from the fact that they have gotten an excellent man in the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Guillem2 on January 09, 2007, 08:51:04 PM
Bad news for Down. He's a fine hurler.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 09, 2007, 09:21:49 PM
Is Courtney the same guy who was sent off in a football match last year and suspended for 'growling' at a referee and' showing his teeth'?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 10, 2007, 08:43:21 AM
Quote from: Cloc Mor on January 09, 2007, 09:21:49 PM
Is Courtney the same guy who was sent off in a football match last year and suspended for 'growling' at a referee and' showing his teeth'?

I don't think Courtney was done for the growling (have you ever heard the likes of it?) it was his club mate Art McGuinness who got the suspension for bad diction and even worse dentistry.

He will be a big loss to the hurlers as another year in centre back would of brought him on leaps and bounds at this level.

That really only leaves big Aaron for centre back and he'd really need to get his big finger out of his hole at the training.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on January 10, 2007, 01:27:21 PM
Think it was Eoin did the "growling" and his dad Artie wrote into the irish news about it...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 11, 2007, 10:15:06 AM
Mickey Donnelly from Tyrone is the new Mayobridge manager. Anyone know much about him? Is he the man to teach them how win in Ulster?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 11, 2007, 12:52:22 PM
I know very little about him.  I've heard he worked with the Bridge a few times in the past when Jackie McManus was the Bridge manager.  I think he was Enniskillen manager at a time as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 12, 2007, 11:52:45 AM
Football managers for 2007, fill in the (many) blanks lads:

A.C.F.L. Division 1
An Riocht - Pete McGrath
Attical -
Bryansford -
Burren - James McCartan
Castlewellan - Gerry Dougherty
Clonduff - Benny Corrigan
Kilcoo
Liatroim - Johnny McComiskey
Longstone - Frank Dawson?
Loughinisland - Brendan Mason?
Mayobridge - Michael Donnelly
Rostrevor

A.C.F.L. Division 2
Annaclone
Ballyholland - Hugh McGettigan
Ballymartin
Carryduff - Jackie Fitzsimons
Clann na Banna - Tony Wilson
Darragh Cross - Dessie McNeill?
Downpatrick - Gerard Deegan/Richard Starkey
Glasdrumman
Kilclief
Saval
Shamrocks - Paul McCartan
Warrenpoint - Miceal Magill

A.C.F.L. Division 3
Ardglass
Bosco
Bredagh - Paddy Heaney
Bright
Drumgath
Dundrum
Glenn
Mitchel's
Saul - Joe Ritchie
St. Paul's
Teconnaught
Tullylish

A.C.F.L. Division 4
Aghaderg
Aughlisnafin
Ballykinlar
Dromara
Drumaness
Killyleagh
St. John's
St. Michael's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 12, 2007, 11:55:10 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 12, 2007, 11:52:45 AM
Football managers for 2007, fill in the (many) blanks lads:

A.C.F.L. Division 1
An Riocht - Pete McGrath
Attical -
Bryansford -
Burren - James McCartan
Castlewellan - Gerry Dougherty
Clonduff - Benny Corrigan
Kilcoo
Liatroim - Johnny McComiskey
Longstone - Frank Dawson?
Loughinisland - Brendan Mason?
Mayobridge - Michael Donnelly
Rostrevor

A.C.F.L. Division 2
Annaclone
Ballyholland - Hugh McGettigan
Ballymartin
Carryduff - Jackie Fitzsimons
Clann na Banna - Tony Wilson
Darragh Cross - Dessie McNeill?
Downpatrick - Gerard Deegan/Richard Starkey
Glasdrumman
Kilclief
Saval
Shamrocks - Paul McCartan
Warrenpoint - Miceal Magill

A.C.F.L. Division 3
Ardglass
Bosco
Bredagh - Paddy Heaney
Bright
Drumgath
Dundrum
Glenn
Mitchel's
Saul - Joe Ritchie
St. Paul's
Teconnaught
Tullylish

A.C.F.L. Division 4
Aghaderg
Aughlisnafin
Ballykinlar
Dromara
Drumaness
Killyleagh
St. John's
St. Michael's


How many would be getting 'expenses'?

I can only remember one of the Ards clubs paying expenses to a manager and he's now managing Longstone, maybe!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 12, 2007, 12:35:08 PM
Football managers for 2007, fill in the (many) blanks lads:

A.C.F.L. Division 1
An Riocht - Pete McGrath
Attical - Dan Morgan
Bryansford - Eamon Burns
Burren - James McCartan
Castlewellan - Gerry Dougherty
Clonduff - Benny Corrigan
Kilcoo - Mickey Heaney
Liatroim - Johnny McComiskey
Longstone - Frank Dawson?
Loughinisland - Brendan Mason
Mayobridge - Michael Donnelly
Rostrevor - Aidan Farrell

A.C.F.L. Division 2
Annaclone
Ballyholland - Hugh McGettigan
Ballymartin - Karl Cunningham/Conor Annett
Carryduff - Jackie Fitzsimons
Clann na Banna - Tony Wilson
Darragh Cross - Dessie McNeill
Downpatrick - Gerard Deegan/Richard Starkey
Glasdrumman
Kilclief - Justin Sharvin/Joe McStay/Paul Watterson
Saval
Shamrocks - Paul McCartan
Warrenpoint - Miceal Magill

A.C.F.L. Division 3
Ardglass - Paul O'Shea
Bosco
Bredagh - Paddy Heaney
Bright
Drumgath - Bill Geoghan
Dundrum - John McShane
Glenn
Mitchel's - Marty Lynch
Saul - Joe Ritchie
St. Paul's
Teconnaught - GP Mulholland
Tullylish - Jim McAlinden

A.C.F.L. Division 4
Aghaderg
Aughlisnafin - Joe Scullion
Ballykinlar - Hankie Curran
Dromara
Drumaness
Killyleagh - John Keenan
St. John's
St. Michael's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 12, 2007, 12:46:28 PM
Tullylish is Kevin Blaney
St Pauls is Gerry Quinn (Saval)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 12, 2007, 12:49:10 PM
Drumaness is Liam McKenna (former Darragh Cross & Bredagh manager)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 12, 2007, 12:55:55 PM
Football managers for 2007, fill in the (many) blanks lads:

A.C.F.L. Division 1
An Riocht - Pete McGrath
Attical - Dan Morgan
Bryansford - Eamon Burns
Burren - James McCartan
Castlewellan - Gerry Dougherty
Clonduff - Benny Corrigan
Kilcoo - Mickey Heaney
Liatroim - Johnny McComiskey
Longstone - Frank Dawson?
Loughinisland - Brendan Mason
Mayobridge - Michael Donnelly
Rostrevor - Aidan Farrell

A.C.F.L. Division 2
Annaclone
Ballyholland - Hugh McGettigan
Ballymartin - Karl Cunningham/Conor Annett
Carryduff - Jackie Fitzsimons
Clann na Banna - Tony Wilson
Darragh Cross - Dessie McNeill
Downpatrick - Gerard Deegan/Richard Starkey
Glasdrumman
Kilclief - Justin Sharvin/Joe McStay/Paul Watterson
Saval
Shamrocks - Paul McCartan
Warrenpoint - Miceal Magill

A.C.F.L. Division 3
Ardglass - Paul O'Shea
Bosco
Bredagh - Paddy Heaney
Bright
Drumgath - Bill Geoghan
Dundrum - John McShane
Glenn
Mitchel's - Marty Lynch
Saul - Joe Ritchie
St. Paul's - Gerry Quinn
Teconnaught - GP Mulholland
Tullylish - Kevin Blaney

A.C.F.L. Division 4
Aghaderg
Aughlisnafin - Joe Scullion
Ballykinlar - Hankie Curran
Dromara
Drumaness -Liam McKenna
Killyleagh - John Keenan
St. John's
St. Michael's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on January 12, 2007, 07:31:36 PM
Bill Geoghan has parted company with Drumgath
Title: UUJ Match
Post by: MadMick007 on January 15, 2007, 10:59:44 AM
Was this a suprise result? It may highlight that we don't really have the strength in depth as we may think. Will Ross still get his six or seven new guys, if so who will they be?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 15, 2007, 12:35:26 PM
anyone care to hazzard a guess at the 6 or 7 additions to the squad will be come 'trimming down' time, include U21s if needs be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 15, 2007, 01:09:55 PM
I think Carr will have to include a handful of U-21's in the Senior squad this year. John Boyle should be in there without a doubt. He's a great playmaker and his free taking and shooting from play is pretty good. I would say that Colgan will be included aswell despite my reservations. Ive always maintained that he is a good player but not a great player. There on Sunday he stood out against a hurler and a Drumgath midfielder who has a serious lack of county experience. It would be interesting to see how he copes week in week out against much stronger opponents in the National League. The jury is still out on him in my opinion. Again, despite my admiration for Packie Downey, I dont think he could cut it in Championship standard football. After he broke his ankle a couple of years ago it is obvious to see that he has slight diffficulties turning at speed. There is no doubt his bulk and frame make him a good ball winner but I just cant see him cutting it in a fast paced championship game. Apart from Boyle and Colgan I think that my clubmate Paul McComiskey would be worth a shot. In the past fortnight he's got a bit of expierience playing for Queens against the likes of Tyrone and Cavan. I think his strength, pace and eye for a score would be of great value to Carr's panel in general. In previous years in other counties players have been plucked from Minor and brought in to Senior panels. Just look at young Darren O'Sullivan in Kerry, Ross Munnellly/Donnie Brennan in Laois, Ciaran Hanratty in Monaghan and going a bit further back Michael Meehan/Sean Armstrong in Galway to name a few.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 15, 2007, 02:22:06 PM
i think i can pretty much guarantee that ross will do his utmost not to include minors/u21s in the senior panel. I think that he is doing a great thing by not selecting monirs/u21s no matter how good they are! Give them a chance to grow, enjoy football at their own age group, then allow them to blossom into players so that by time they are 21/22 they are ready to give the seniors 7/8 years football......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 15, 2007, 02:38:16 PM
THE stylish skills of elusive play-maker John Boyle certainly caught the eye. The fielding, strength and finishing ability of target-man Packie Downey left a good impression too.

At the back, the defensive work of 2005 All-Ireland minors Eamon McConville and Shane O'Hagan impressed and that year's county minor captain James Colgan delivered strongly around centrefield.

All well and good, especially for UUJ coach Adrian McGuckian on the day, and further along the line, in due course, for Down manager Ross Carr.

The only trouble for Carr was they were all hitting form, and contributing to 20 scores picked off by Jordanstown, as a slick and snappy student outfit forced an inexperienced and experimental county select to play second fiddle.

In the attacking third of the field, Warrenpoint's Boyle ran the show and cracked over three points from play.

Meanwhile Downey, a product of the Drumgath club, caused no end of problems once UUJ got to grips with the game after 15 minutes.

At that stage, they trailed 0-3 to 0-1, all Down's scores coming inside the first six minutes.

But, by the half-hour the free-taking and scoring ability from open play of Derry's Mark Lynch, Monaghan's Bernard O'Brien and a neat move between Boyle and Downey had put Jordanstown in charge.

With craft and industry, the support work throughout the team being very good, UUJ hit six points without reply. Down did rally briefly towards the break.

Adrian Carville and impressive Conor Gribben pointed, closing the gap to 0-7 to 0-5. It did not get any better than that.

Danny Hughes, who shone in the opening quarter before the service dried up, was moved to wing half-forward, and Down made a couple of substitutions, but it was Jordanstown who hit the ground running on the restart.

Within four minutes the lead was extended to five points, and then out to seven points by the 42nd minute as scores by Lynch, Downey and Boyle received no answers. UUJ had now posted 11 points to Down's two since the sixth minute and it was clear the difference between the two teams.

Mickey McVeigh brought off a superb save to deny Boyle a goal nine minutes into the second half  he denied Downey in the first period after a defensive gaffe.

Moments later, a long-range free dropped in by Lynch, keeper McVeigh and corner-back Declan Rooney both jumped for it, collided, and the ball ended up in the net.

Completely out-played in the middle third, Down's stretched and over-worked back line was over-run in the final quarter. With possession not being retained and Jordanstown's defence under little pressure, space continued to open up and UUJ reeled off six unanswered points from the 56th minute, with two stand out finishes from sub Kevin Dyas.

It was the first time Jordanstown were drawn to play a Down select in the McKenna Cup, the win gave them a timely boost, albeit against very inexperienced opposition that lost its way after 15 or 20 minutes. A good win for them ahead of the Sigerson Cup being held in Belfast in March.

With six Down players starting for UUJ, there was a broad canvas of prospects for Ross Carr to get a look at, and while he was concentrating on those wearing the red and black, the players in the main who made good impressions yesterday were all wearing Jordanstown blue.



Matchstats

Down: M McVeigh; D Rooney, S Toner,

P Matthews; C McCrickard, J Doran, C Murtagh (0-1); A Carville (0-2), G Johnson; K Gracey,

N Sweeney, B Doran; C Gribben (1-2),

B Sweeney, D Hughes (0-1).

Subs: E Henry for J Doran (half-time),

K McGuigan for McCrickard (half-time),

P Telford for Carville (48), J Lynch for Johnson (48), A Burns for N Sweeney (55).

Blood Subs: J Lynch for Carville (21)



UUJ: M McAllister; P Mooney, J Conlon,

S O'Hagan; R Murray (0-1); E McConville,

S McAleer; J Colgan (0-1), J Bradley; M Lynch (1-5, three frees, one 45), J Boyle (capt., 0-3), R Mulgrew (0-1); M Herron, P Downey (0-3),

B O'Brien (0-2, one free)

Subs: D McCaul (0-1) for O'Brien (47), K Dyas (0-2) for O'Hagan (55), B Boggs for McAleer (63).

Blood Sub: P Donnelly for Bradley (44).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 15, 2007, 02:39:15 PM
I think your right about giving minors a chance to enjoy the football at their age level but I don't see any problems with U21's being in and around the senior setup , If they are good enough get them in and let them at it . (IMO)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 15, 2007, 02:39:24 PM
Carr looks at bigger picture  

From Eamonn O'Hara in Burren  

DOWN manager Ross Carr isn't reading much into yesterday's heavy defeat. He knew it would prove a tough ask for a young and raw team of squad, but the margin UUJ's Sigerson Cup outfit won by was still a bitter Dr McKenna Cup pill to swallow.

"We would be more than disappointed with the result. You never like to get beat by 13 points. It doesn't matter what level of football it is in," he said, adding: "It leaves us in no uncertain terms the amount of work that has to be done.

"We were playing against a team who are a month off their All-Ireland Championship campaign really, with the Sigerson, and a team that is made up with at least a dozen inter-county footballers. So, we always knew going into it that it was going to be a massive test for us."

Carr felt that UUJ strength in the middle third told. After 20 minutes the students took charge of the game in that sector and as Down's attack was starved of possession, a well drilled Jordanstown team were virtually out of sight by the 50th minute when 1-13 to 0-5 clear.

UUJ coach Adrian McGuckian was pleased with the performance, obviously the result, the University's first win against Down in the competition, though measured the win against what was a relatively inexperienced county select.

"We are not going to get carried away with it, but it was a good performance and the team performed very well, so that was pleasing for us. We worked a lot on support play in training, moving the ball quickly and that worked well against Down," he said.

The 10 minutes after half-time put the seal on it he said, five points without reply sending them 0-12 to 0-5 ahead to put the brakes on any prospect of Down staging a comeback after UUJ led at the interval by two points.

"We got a good break after half time, got two or three points in a row and I think that ruined Down's belief in themselves and we went on from there.

"It was a good boost for players confidence to get a win like that before Sigerson but it was a weakened Down team after all."



Star Man

John Boyle (UUJ)

Instrumental in getting Jordanstown's game kick-started with a well worked point after 11 troublesome minutes, Boyle emerged as one of many dominant players for UUJ. Made excellent use of possession, repeatedly carved open Down's half-back line with good passing and diagonal runs. Set up plenty of opportunities and managed three points himself. Shades robust full-forward Packie Downey, Mark Lynch, who struck some fine frees (including one for a fluke goal) and half-backs Rory Murray and Eamon McConville. For Down, Conor Gribben impressed at times and scored a corker of a goal after 52 minutes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on January 15, 2007, 02:41:52 PM
Football managers for 2007, fill in the (many) blanks lads:

A.C.F.L. Division 1
An Riocht - Pete McGrath
Attical - Dan Morgan
Bryansford - Eamon Burns
Burren - James McCartan
Castlewellan - Gerry Dougherty
Clonduff - Benny Corrigan
Kilcoo - Mickey Heaney
Liatroim - Johnny McComiskey
Longstone - Frank Dawson?
Loughinisland - Brendan Mason
Mayobridge - Michael Donnelly
Rostrevor - Aidan Farrell

A.C.F.L. Division 2
Annaclone
Ballyholland - Hugh McGettigan
Ballymartin - Karl Cunningham/Conor Annett
Carryduff - Jackie Fitzsimons
Clann na Banna - Tony Wilson
Darragh Cross - Dessie McNeill
Downpatrick - Gerard Deegan/Richard Starkey
Glasdrumman
Kilclief - Justin Sharvin/Joe McStay/Paul Watterson
Saval
Shamrocks - Paul McCartan
Warrenpoint - Miceal Magill

A.C.F.L. Division 3
Ardglass - Paul O'Shea
Bosco
Bredagh - Paddy Heaney
Bright
Drumgath - Harry Toner
Dundrum - John McShane
Glenn
Mitchel's - Marty Lynch
Saul - Joe Ritchie
St. Paul's - Gerry Quinn
Teconnaught - GP Mulholland
Tullylish - Kevin Blaney

A.C.F.L. Division 4
Aghaderg
Aughlisnafin - Joe Scullion
Ballykinlar - Hankie Curran
Dromara
Drumaness -Liam McKenna
Killyleagh - John Keenan
St. John's
St. Michael's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on January 16, 2007, 08:51:29 AM
Football managers for 2007, fill in the (many) blanks lads:

A.C.F.L. Division 1
An Riocht - Pete McGrath
Attical - Dan Morgan
Bryansford - Eamon Burns
Burren - James McCartan
Castlewellan - Gerry Dougherty
Clonduff - Benny Corrigan
Kilcoo - Mickey Heaney
Liatroim - Johnny McComiskey
Longstone - Frank Dawson?
Loughinisland - Brendan Mason
Mayobridge - Michael Donnelly
Rostrevor - Aidan Farrell

A.C.F.L. Division 2
Annaclone
Ballyholland - Hugh McGettigan
Ballymartin - Karl Cunningham/Conor Annett
Carryduff - Jackie Fitzsimons
Clann na Banna - Tony Wilson
Darragh Cross - Dessie McNeill
Downpatrick - Gerard Deegan/Richard Starkey
Glasdrumman
Kilclief - Justin Sharvin/Joe McStay/Paul Watterson
Saval
Shamrocks - Paul McCartan
Warrenpoint - Miceal Magill

A.C.F.L. Division 3
Ardglass - Paul O'Shea
Bosco
Bredagh - Paddy Heaney
Bright
Drumgath - Harry Toner
Dundrum - John McShane
Glenn
Mitchel's - Marty Lynch
Saul - Joe Ritchie
St. Paul's - Gerry Quinn
Teconnaught - GP Mulholland
Tullylish - Kevin Blaney

A.C.F.L. Division 4
Aghaderg
Aughlisnafin - Joe Scullion
Ballykinlar - Hankie Curran
Dromara
Drumaness -Liam McKenna
Killyleagh - John Keenan
St. John's - Paul Kelly
St. Michael's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on January 18, 2007, 01:04:56 PM
any word on division 4 this year? is it going to stay the same?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MadMick007 on January 18, 2007, 01:06:40 PM
Has anyone heard the team for the Hurlers match against Laois? This will be a good test for he new management in a number of ways. Firstly what team will they pick as a number of the top players are injured and so does he bring in the ones that aren't to chase the win or will be be consistent and play only those who train? This match may set the tone for the rest of the season. Maybe Gerard needs to adopt Ross's approach and provide matches for fringe players. Interesting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 18, 2007, 04:30:36 PM
With Magic, Dule and McGourty all out of contention for one reason or another I can't see the forwards being anything other than lightweight with no real ball winners to fall back on, so it'll be interesting to see whether they throw Gazza up to full forward.

IMO Gazza should of had enough gumption to call it a day, but now that he's there I can't see Gerard not playing him especially with a weakened squad. To play him at centre back is a total waste as we need to be planning for the summer months and using this years NHL campaign to find a young settled squad with centre back needing addressed ASAP.

Young Courtney is my preferred choice provided he speeds up his hurling and the NHL Div1 is as good a place as any to do that. Second choice is big Aaron, a hugely underestimated hurler but needs to sort out his fitness. Simon Wilson is too one sided and can only be played on the RHS of defence, Gabriel Clarke is too light and doesn't have the physical presence to stop the runners coming from midfield.

Andy Bell if he bothers his arse has the talent but seems to lack application, Finty Conway has that bit of divilment which IMO the Down team has missed especially when lying down tamely to Antrim in recent years and he should get a run.

I really don't have a baldy who you'd play in number 11 as I don't see anyone even close to filling the role and BA won't be available until the summer due to his soccer commitments.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 18, 2007, 05:26:35 PM
"Bit of divilment" is as fine a description I have heard regarding Finty's playing style!

I wouldn't be surprised if Ciaran Sloan is thrown the No 11 jersey.

JC, you must have been speaking to Gazza or else he reads this board, he has jacked it in after all!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 19, 2007, 02:21:30 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 18, 2007, 05:26:35 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Ciaran Sloan is thrown the No 11 jersey.

JC, you must have been speaking to Gazza or else he reads this board, he has jacked it in after all!

He allegedly jacked it in after the friendly against Antrim on saturday.

Every dog has his day and Gazza was some dog in his day.

He should of hung up the boots the year that we won the Div 2 title and took Antrim to a replay even with Dule missing in the Ulster final.

After that Dinny Cahill began to expose his mobility in centre back and he was badly found out in the Christy Ring final against Westmeath a few years back.

He must of been playing intercounty hurling for near on 16 years which is some going in anybodys language.

The takings in JG's will be up this winter  ;D

I can't say I've ever seen Ciaran Sloan play so I can't comment on him but maybe I'll get a good close look later on in the year in the Down league.

P.S. Is Jimmy O'Reilly in charge of the Kilclief hurlers this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 19, 2007, 03:26:23 PM
Isn't Ciaran Sloan the lad known as Rosie who usually plays mid field? Decent player. Finty is a fine hurler. I seen him several times last year and he can hurl well & look after himself.
Jimmy O'Reilly was with Ballela last year. They had their worst season for a few years. It was more to do with retirements and work commitments than Jimmy's coaching but I'm not surprised to hear he has moved on, (if he has).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 19, 2007, 03:30:50 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 19, 2007, 03:26:51 PM
JC,where any sort of dog yourself?

Eh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 20, 2007, 06:30:08 PM
How many will travel to Ballybofey tomorrow?  Very few I would imagine.  While its great to see Carr/Kane trying to unearth new talent, I really feel this process is going to come against us.  How many do the hope to 'unearth'?  The best Down players to be seen in the first two games of the Mc Kenna Cup were playing for UUJ last week.  Nearly 30 players may now be sent back to their clubs, with their tails between their legs, as not being good enough.  The 'spice boys' of Down football will now see this as an affirmation that the are indispensable and cannot be done without, even though the have failed to make any progress under four years of POR.  At this moment in time we have a unstable, unfit and unprepared team for the National League.  Carr wants to stay in Division 1.  Not based on this he ain't.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 20, 2007, 06:51:07 PM
I, too, would be happy with 2nd Division football next year, but while I respect what Ross/DJ have done I still believe that we are ill-prepared for the National League.  Too many 'established' county players have been living on the past reputations (for all they are worth) and the 'spice boy' tag attached to many is very hard to shake off.  The have been living in this comfort zone and its not just the so-called '1st 15' but guys who aren't even prepared to knuckle down with their clubs.  Too many take this 'prima donna' attitude back to their clubs which causes resentment.  I still hope that Ross/DJ can inspire our lads - we don't half need it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 20, 2007, 08:01:14 PM
I hear the game tomorrow has been switched to Ballyshannon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 20, 2007, 08:24:14 PM
Travel plans revised then UF? No trip to Breffni?

Sense prevails at last.

form is temporary class is permanent.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 20, 2007, 09:39:42 PM
Had no plans for a game this w/e passedit.
My wee brother texted me with the news on the donegal game.
He keeps winding me up that my aligance will change because of my location.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 20, 2007, 09:41:16 PM
So you were a useless footballer before you came to Down not because you came to Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 20, 2007, 09:45:58 PM
Was born a uselessfootballer but I would argue with passedit that I fit in better in Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 21, 2007, 09:20:17 AM
Rosie/Ciaran Sloan are one and the same.

Jimmy O'Reilly is taking Kilclief hurlers this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on January 21, 2007, 06:40:49 PM
j p okane is manageing saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on January 21, 2007, 06:49:47 PM
Cathal Murray is still Annaclone's manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 21, 2007, 06:51:12 PM
I see theres alot of talk about the Minor panel.  There have been some guys selected who haven't even been good enough to make their MacRory teams yet they are picked on a Minor panel.  Surely the best players in a school would make the grade at MacRory/Markey Cup level so how can players possibly be picked who don't make this standard.  Do the Minor management know something about these players.   Maybe it helps if your da is a selector on the panel and your from Warrenpoint.  Surely this is not the best way to pick a Minor panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 21, 2007, 06:59:09 PM
A.C.F.L. Division 1
An Riocht - Pete McGrath
Attical - Dan Morgan
Bryansford - Eamon Burns
Burren - James McCartan
Castlewellan - Gerry Dougherty
Clonduff - Benny Corrigan
Kilcoo - Mickey Heaney
Liatroim - Johnny McComiskey
Longstone - Frank Dawson?
Loughinisland - Brendan Mason
Mayobridge - Michael Donnelly
Rostrevor - Aidan Farrell

A.C.F.L. Division 2
Annaclone - Cathal Murray
Ballyholland - Hugh McGettigan
Ballymartin - Karl Cunningham/Conor Annett
Carryduff - Jackie Fitzsimons
Clann na Banna - Tony Wilson
Darragh Cross - Dessie McNeill
Downpatrick - Gerard Deegan/Richard Starkey
Glasdrumman
Kilclief - Justin Sharvin/Joe McStay/Paul Watterson
Saval - JP O'Kane
Shamrocks - Paul McCartan
Warrenpoint - Miceal Magill

A.C.F.L. Division 3
Ardglass - Paul O'Shea
Bosco
Bredagh - Paddy Heaney
Bright
Drumgath - Harry Toner
Dundrum - John McShane
Glenn
Mitchel's - Marty Lynch
Saul - Joe Ritchie
St. Paul's - Gerry Quinn
Teconnaught - GP Mulholland
Tullylish - Kevin Blaney

A.C.F.L. Division 4
Aghaderg
Aughlisnafin - Joe Scullion
Ballykinlar - Hankie Curran
Dromara
Drumaness -Liam McKenna
Killyleagh - John Keenan
St. John's - Paul Kelly
St. Michael's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 22, 2007, 10:20:17 AM
Any reports on the Donegal game yesterday.  Only the real hardcore fan would have made the journey up to see this game with both sides experimenting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 22, 2007, 11:29:30 AM
Donegal 2-11

Down 0-11

McKenna Cup

DONEGAL set up a semi-final with meeting with Armagh after defeating a second-string Down side in Ballyshannon.

The margin at the end may have been comfortable but Donegal did not have it their own way in the second half as Barry Doran gave an exhibition in free-taking to take Down within two points with 16 minutes left.

Doran hit six second half frees, most of them from long distance.

Donegal put down their marker in the opening half with Leon Thompson putting them in the driving seat after 25 minutes, cutting through the Down defence to find the net.

By half-time Donegal were 2-5 to 0-5 in front, thanks to a penalty from Adrian Sweeney on the stroke of half-time.

The winners were dominated at midfield for the entire third quarter but they came good in the closing stages with the introduction of experienced players like Christy Toye and Rory Kavanagh.

The game saw the return of Brendan Devenney and he added punch to the front line for Donegal for whom Barry Monaghan throughout and returned exile Patrick McConigley (second half) were excellent in defence.

Alongside freetaker Doran, Aidan Burns, Colm Murtagh (even though dismissed near the end for a second yellow card), Jack Lynch and Martin McClean all put forward a strong case to be included in Ross Carr's Down squad for the National League.

SCORERS - Donegal: B Devenney 0-6 (0-2f), A Sweeney 1-1 pen, f, L Thompson 1-1, C Bonner, C Toye, R Bradley 0-1 each. Down: B Doran 0-7 (0-7)f; M McClean 0-2, A Burns 0-2 (0-1f).

DONEGAL - M Boyle; B Dunnion, P Campbell, P McConigley; T Donoghue, B Monaghan, F McGlynn; C Bonner, K Cassidy; B McDyre, M Hegarty, B Roper; B Devenney, A Sweeney, L Thompson. Subs: J Friel for McDyre (44); C Toye for Hegarty, R Kavanagh for Roper (both 55); K McMenamin for Thompson (61); R Bradley for Bonner (69).

DOWN - B Connell; S Toner, C Murtagh, R McArdle; J Doran, P Shields, K McGuigan; M McClean, J Lynch; P Turley, M Poland, B Doran; K Gracey, A Burns, B Loughan. Subs: E Henry for Toner (9); D Cunningham for McArdle (51); D Rooney for Shields (58); C McCrickard for Lynch, B Sweeney for Gracey (both 61).

REF - A McAlynn (Derry).



TG4  Let us down yesterday was looking forward to having a look at some of these new lads . Sounds like there was a few nice frees landed .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 22, 2007, 01:55:28 PM
Where is Colm Murtagh from?  I wonder will Down get a few challenge games in before the start of the league? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 22, 2007, 02:02:12 PM
He's from Glenn. Won an AI minor at corner-back in 1999, has suffered a couple of serious injuries since.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 22, 2007, 03:09:16 PM
Any of you see last weeks Gaelic life ? Jarlith Burns got fair stuck into us I thought . Out of the completely experimental squad for the McKenna cup he doesn't think Down will find the 3 defenders 1 midfielder and the 1 forward he thinks we need . All this based on two games ? Did he even see the two games ? Oh yeah he got a dig in about the Down regulars having a rest after their 3 game run in the championship last year .
I haven't seen these new lads play , what about JB's prediction have we found anyone who will do a job for us ?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on January 22, 2007, 07:19:37 PM
am i confident in the new set up?

no.

why were players whose commitment was questioned before given time off?

why were players worth a chance not given a chance in a team backboned by experienced players?

was the mc kenna cup really a pr cosmetic exercise just like the trials?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on January 22, 2007, 07:53:08 PM
Its still very early days yet for our new management team-give them a chance !!!!!......does anyone really expecy them to perform miracles overnight ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 22, 2007, 09:04:20 PM
why were players whose commitment was questioned before given time off?
Fair point Gael
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 22, 2007, 10:16:44 PM
The established players are training their bollocks off.

Rooney is playing corner back/wing back for QUB.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 23, 2007, 09:18:56 AM
I think Ross has used the McKenna cup well, the only thing I would have done differently would have been to use the Donegal game to try and gell some the new lads who look like they could make it in with the established players.  Unless he has a few challenge games organised he might find it tough to have settled on his best team before the league.  I really think we can't afford to be experimenting too much in the league, it might be hard enough to stay up with our best team lined out correctly.  Getting relegated would be a disaster, the lower divisions are no place to prepare for the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 23, 2007, 10:16:57 AM
Quote from: No1 on January 21, 2007, 09:20:17 AM
Rosie/Ciaran Sloan are one and the same.

Jimmy O'Reilly is taking Kilclief hurlers this year.

I'm hearing Finty lived up to his reputation against Laois on sunday and got a boot up the hole from his immediate opponent who he took a swipe at. I think the ref ignored it as the game was as good as over anyway.

The general feeling is that the players just aren't there to compete in Div 1 this year especially with Dule and Magic missing.

Andy Savage really needs a partner in midfield as Ciaran Coulter is not even related to a midfielder at this level. The obvious choice is Darren Flynn but he's too similar in style to Andy and that's not good, plus he runs too much with the ball and doesn't let it into the forwards quick enough.

I'd stick with Courtney as he's young enough to learn, my only concern is that the guys along the line haven't a good reputation for one on one coaching and he may be left to learn the hard way. Big Aaron the bollocks never bothered his hole to turn up and to be perfectly honest he needs to be told to buck up or piss off. He was made sit on the bench for Ballygalget a few times last year for his poor attitude and it seemed to work as he was one of our better players later in the year.

I've always had a concern about Gerard Coulters management style. He's old school, go out and play, no real game plan or tactics and it seemed to be that case on sunday. Playing against a gale in the first half, it's common enough to drop a forward in behind the half backs to cover in front of the fullback line and bring your half forwards down the field and leave two flyers up front. This needs to be worked on in training and although its early yet he and his associates don't seem to be sorting those things out. I hope I'm wrong as I'm not expecting this team to set the world alight but you need to see and improvement and the team gelling if we are going to do anything in the Christy Ring in the summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on January 23, 2007, 01:49:15 PM
I see Ciaran Sloan started in the corner. How did he do JC? Is Magic out long term? I thought he missed the match because of a skiing holiday. I'd also heard before christmas that courtney was injured and would be out for months. Good to see that wasn't true. Div 1 hurling will do our lads little good this year. Laois, Antrim and Dublin are taking things seriously and they are the sort of counties that we need to keep up with.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 23, 2007, 02:49:04 PM
Quote from: Bacon on January 23, 2007, 01:49:15 PM
I see Ciaran Sloan started in the corner. How did he do JC? Is Magic out long term? I thought he missed the match because of a skiing holiday. I'd also heard before christmas that courtney was injured and would be out for months. Good to see that wasn't true. Div 1 hurling will do our lads little good this year. Laois, Antrim and Dublin are taking things seriously and they are the sort of counties that we need to keep up with.

Ciaran Sloan started in full forward and I'm sure he wasn't exactly snowed under with the amount of ball coming his way. From what I hear he was OK but as it was his first game at that level I wouldn't be too concerned. It's a big step up for anyone playing senior hurling let alone Div1 in Down. Once again god knows what kind of direction or guidance he got from the management.
It's good to see Dingy back and 1-4 from play isn't bad for his first game in 6 months. He'll need to weigh in with scores against the better defenders in the NHL for Down to put up any kind of showing

Magic was off skiing but he'll be no use to man nor beast until Ross decides whether he's going to cut it at the football and from all accounts he had a mare against UUJ so it's very likely he'll be giving the hurlers his undivided attention shortly.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Guillem2 on January 26, 2007, 09:23:58 AM
http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/general/news/2007/jan/jan22nd1.htm
Here's a link to a report on the Down website on the Walsh cup match against Laois. Who to f*** is Michael Coulter? Is he Martin Coulter's wee brother? Don't tell me the Down Official website doesn't know the names of their own county hurlers.
They really are going to the dogs!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 26, 2007, 09:59:38 AM
Quote from: Guillem2 on January 26, 2007, 09:23:58 AM
http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/general/news/2007/jan/jan22nd1.htm
Here's a link to a report on the Down website on the Walsh cup match against Laois. Who to f*** is Michael Coulter? Is he Martin Coulter's wee brother? Don't tell me the Down Official website doesn't know the names of their own county hurlers.
They really are going to the dogs!

Michael Coulter is Dingy AKA Martin Coulter Jnr. That report must of been lifted out of somewhere else, possibly hoganstand.com. I must say I'm surprised to see a report on the game at all on the web site as it's not renowned for its hurling coverage. The hurling PRO used to be Matt Fitzpatrick but I'm not sure if he's still involved. Matt was well known for getting names wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 26, 2007, 10:23:15 AM
"Matt was well known for getting names wrong."

Matt's reports are legendary! Last year he had Eoghan Sheehan coming on as a sub for Down Juniors in the SHC. Eoghan retired 15 years ago!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on January 26, 2007, 01:30:22 PM
Maybe so, but he'll always thank you for the cups of tea he gets at half time at games!!!

Why is it every week he has to comment on this, could he not just bring a flask??!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on January 26, 2007, 05:00:20 PM
Anythings possible with the  down juniors, i went to watch a championship match a few yrs ago as a hungover 16/17yr old, about 5min before throw in i was approached sayin they only had 14 players and wud i do corner back and mark Dingy, i declined the corner back role and played corner forward, brian canavan and paddy hardy and to come on when a few lads got injured, hardly in their prime!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 26, 2007, 08:45:53 PM
Johnie99 is spot on, Matts obsession with the Tea and Sandwiches is getting past a joke. Time he copped himself on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 26, 2007, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on January 05, 2007, 02:15:09 PM
Quote from: Bacon on January 04, 2007, 05:08:53 PM
County Board are looking for high caliber coaches to look after the new hurling development squads that are starting in March. If any of the hurling posters know anybody who may be interested could you let them know to pass their names to Sean Og through the club secretary. The commitment will be something like 8 Saturday mornings through the season with a possible weekend away as well so it can be fitted in along side other commitments.

sometimes the tail does need to hit the dog up the bollocks to get things started  ;)

I konw there was a bit push to get as many of our senior players to take the level 1 coaching course with the child protection element to follow shortly. A good few took it up and it was made abundantly clear all over the weekend of the course that there would be roles for everyone in and outside the club in the coming year.
Hopefully some take up the challenge to address the major deficiences we have in our juvenlie set up.

has there been any further development with this? has there been as uptake for the coaching course, hope it doesn't die a death as there seems to be a will at the moment to make it work and they shouldn't loose the momentum
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 27, 2007, 06:54:53 PM
Down U-21 B Final

Naomh Seosamh (Ballykinlar, Dundrum, Aughlisnafin) 0-10  An Riocht 2-06


Im fcukin gutted. It was the one that got away. Anyway it bodes well for the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on January 28, 2007, 04:30:00 PM
Think Down were playing Meath again today.  Anyword how it went?
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football 2007
Post by: greygoose on January 29, 2007, 11:27:54 AM
Does anyone know when fixtures for football leagues will be released for forthcoming year.

Also when the championship draws will be made for 2007.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 30, 2007, 11:39:45 AM
The Down panel was being cut to 32 last night for the National League. Has anyone heard who is in or out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 30, 2007, 12:27:37 PM
for what its worth heres who i think will be the 32 man squad for National League.

1) Mickey Mcveigh.
2) John Clarke.
3) Brendan Grant.
4) Adrian Scullion.
5) Martin Cole.
6) Paul Murphy.
8) Alan Molloy.
9) Damian Rafferty.
10) Daniel Mc Cartan.
11) Dan Gordon.
12) Benny Coulter
13) Ambrose Rodgers.
14) Michael Walsh
15) Ronan Sexton.
16) Daniel Hughes.
17) Ronan Murtagh.
18) Eoin Mc Cartan.
19) Conor Laverty.

20) Bernard Connell.
21) Barry Doran.
22) Jackie Lynch.
23) Aiden Carr.
24) Colm Murtagh.
25) James Mc Govern.
26) Kevin mc Guigan.
27) Mark Poland.
28) Eoin Henry.
29) Conor Gribben.
30) Brendan Loughran.
31) Darren Cunningham.
32) Fintan Mc Greevy.


Unlucky
- Peter Turley Saval
- Martin Mc Clean
- Joe Doran
- Paul Shields
- Stephen Toner


im bound to be leaving somone "established" out of that list....but off the top of me head thats what i think will roughly make up the bulk of the panel.

anyone else care to guess.?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 30, 2007, 01:03:11 PM
i could see Doyle being out for a good while thats why ive left him out. As for Ambrose id say he could be a bit longer recovering  than Dee Rafferty. So say for talk sake, Ambrose Out and maybe Peter Turley in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on January 30, 2007, 01:03:51 PM
Well you only named 31 there brick by my reckoning, no number 7?  maybe that was left vacant for the aforementioned Doyle, or maybe even Doran as suggested by 5times?
Anyway the panel is to be named i Hilltown tonight and not last night by all accounts.

There are some names on Brick's list that i wouldn't pick, but you never know.

Also Scullion is unlikely to be on it, has he not decided he hasn't the time no commit to the county this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 30, 2007, 01:08:25 PM
scullion is a shoe-in, figured in full back lin against Meath at weekend.
As for that Gap in defence or the 7th on the list, add in Paul Shields maybe (Although injured).
Tell me who ye disagree with, try and draw up your own list and see how you get on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 30, 2007, 01:25:32 PM
I'd imagine that James Colgan, John Boyle and Paul McComiskey will all move up to the senior squad once the under-21 season is finished. All should be in contention for a Championship place in my opinion.

I honestly don't think Mark Rooney has the pace to play corner-back at senior level 5ivetimes.

Brick, I'd say Decky Rooney (Burren) is a cert for the squad. I'd be surprised too if Peter Telford doesn't make this cut, and Stephen Kearney will be there if his injury isn't to bad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MadMick007 on January 30, 2007, 01:28:56 PM
What about the two Hurlers, McGourty and Johnston, i take it they are  not up to scratch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 30, 2007, 01:29:18 PM
sorry have to go against your Colgan choice there, solely on the basis that i cant see Ross taking on any player that isnt over 21 unless its absolutely called for, maybe later in the season, why should we be pressurising or relyin on the likes of him to save the day, there should be enough players to choose from above 21 without ruining younger guys .
say Colgan was to be drafted in right now and had a stinker of a season then where does that leave him (or anyone else for that matter) next season. Let him enjoy his Sigerson and U21 days and college first. Sure look what happened the class of '99, they still havent "graduated" or "come of age" - and if i hear once more that "this is the season they come of age" il eat my hat - friggin Van Wilder didnt take as long to graduate!!!

Mark Rooney - really cant see him being near the senior squad in the immediate future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 30, 2007, 01:40:18 PM
only left two hurlers out because county hurling management will get first dibs on them, anyway magic wouldnt be there, mcgourty however impressed id say and would be in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 30, 2007, 01:43:46 PM
brick, i reckon u must have read my earlier post, so i agree too - no u21s/minors will be in the senior panel at all. I totally agree with it, makes a refreshing change not to force young lads thru before their time, no matter how good.

s kearney is a definite based on form to date; interesting to hear how it all pans out.

i believe th fixtures will be announced soon, senior mgt have run thru them and have given approval albeit with a few changes
Title: No 6 and the club grounds in Down topic
Post by: johnneycool on January 30, 2007, 01:45:04 PM
This post is not about how good or bad facilities are that each club in Down owns or uses; it is about the facilities they think they own or even are convinced they have more rights to use than any one else.

The majority of clubs have their own pitch and facilities all developed from hard work through fund raising and other means that are honest and true to their club. Showing the wealth of their club is important to members as they are proud of their club's achievement. No matter how bad the accounts are club grounds will portray the success of the club and its members off the field to the general public.

The point is people connected to clubs have a sense of pride in their club and their achievements are honoured and praised by all. However, in Down we have several clubs were the pitches and facilities all belong to the county board. All the club is doing is paying admin fees annually and collecting money at the gate which is most likely more than others due to attracting big championship games and playoff games.

Should all clubs not be forced to purchase their own grounds and leave county grounds for ounty football or hurling?

This would also put an end to county teams over using club grounds for training.

As a matter of interest other than Bryansford, what other club in Down play on a ground owned by the county board?

Don't say the marshes as the county board don't own it either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 30, 2007, 01:52:09 PM
Goldenyears dont flatter yourself  :)  :) , ive always believed we shouldne be relying on younger guys so much.

also i dont know what it is, but im not feeling the Stephen Kearney vibe at all, dont get me wrong, very talentd player but just cant see it at minute also his injury will surely hamper his chances. Who knows maybe Ross will give the injured players an even longer break and leave them off the named panel but intend to use them at a later stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 30, 2007, 01:55:04 PM
So, using the old 2 players for each position method, we're looking at:

Goalkeepers (2)
Mickey McVeigh - cert
Bernard Connell - cert
(I'd prefer Pete Travers and Brendan McVeigh myself)

Full-backs (6)
Brendan Grant - cert
Darren Cunningham - cert
Martin Cole
Adrian Scullion
Daniel McCartan
Eoin Henry
(I'd still like to see Andrew Kane tested in the no.3 jersey. Stephen Toner a possibility. Dee Rafferty could easily be drafted back if needed. Henry and Cunningham could well end up starting vs Cavan.)

Half-backs (6)
Paul Murphy - cert
Alan Molloy - cert
Damian Rafferty - cert
Liam Doyle
John Clarke
James McGovern
(Any of Mark Doran, Paul Shields, Kevin McGuigan could well make it. If Doyle is committed to playing at 6, it's good news. If not, Shields should get a serious run there. McGovern is useful to have around as he can play anywhere.)

Midfielders (4)
Dan Gordon - cert
Benny Coulter - cert
James Colgan - cert
Jackie Lynch
(Possibly McClean, either of the Peter Turleys, Peter Telford or McGourty too. Personally I'd have Telford and McClean over Lynch. In the future, I see Colgan as a centre-back rather than a midfielder.)

Half-forwards
Mickey Walsh - cert
Declan Rooney - cert
Ronan Sexton - cert
Aidan Carr - cert
Stephen Kearney
John Boyle
(Possibly Barry Doran, Mark Poland, Conor Laverty as well. There's a distinct lack or workhorses here apart from Sexton, and this could see Murphy pushed up to a wing-forward berth. I'm not sure about Carr, and wouldn't have him in the no.11 jersey ahead of Boyle, Kearney or Walsh - but he will make it.)

Full-forwards
Ronan Murtagh - cert
Daniel Hughes - cert
Eoin McCartan - cert
Fintan McGreevey
Paul McComiskey
Brendan Loughran
(Conor Gribben and Jason Brown will go close, but neither is physical enough for Championship football. The first three will be Down's full-forward line vs Cavan if they're fit.)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 30, 2007, 02:04:26 PM
dan hughes is not a cert! watch this space
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 30, 2007, 02:07:19 PM
Spit it out Goldenyears!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 30, 2007, 02:09:26 PM
Some interesting observations  -

Agree with the Goalkeeping issue - Best two goalies in Down right now and for some time have been
1) Pete Travers &
2) B Mc Veigh.

- strange that Andrew Kane hasnt been seen at all thsi year in the shakeup - id have him in there ahead of alot of fellas too.
- You have one or two guys down as certs that i definitely have to disagree with, take for instance Paul Murphy & Declan Rooney as certs and then John Clarke & Adrian Scullion not - cant agree with ye there.
- I wouldnt have telford near it, or any downpatrick players - just dont think they have anyone of county standard in their ranks - think the twins would be more useful.
- Colgan has to be groomed for no 6 jersey - isnt as strong a midfielder as he is half back, also i think he is a quality player and definitely worth his place/salt, but he is also way overrated especially in our own county.
- Dee Raff has to be in there after injury clears up, Toner's "Rapin" against Packie Downey just proves he isnt strong enough yet i think.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 30, 2007, 02:48:13 PM
heres a challenge for all - try naming the actual panel and starting 15 against Louth -  :) :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 30, 2007, 02:55:01 PM
I imagine the panel will change a bit over the next 3 months.

It's not the team I'd pick, but I'll harbour a guess at this for the Louth game:

1 - Mickey McVeigh
2 - Martin Cole
3 - Darren Cunningham
4 - Brendan Grant
5 - Paul Murphy
6 - Liam Doyle
7 - Alan Molloy
8 - Benny Coulter
9 - Dan Gordon
10 - John Clarke
11 - Aidan Carr
12 - Mickey Walsh
13 - Danny Hughes
14 - Eoin McCartan
15 - Mark Poland

Ronan Murtagh, Dee Rafferty and Stephen Kearney not considered due to injury.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 30, 2007, 03:07:49 PM
I can't see Liam Doyle being dropped off the initial 32 man squad , I know he hasn't really lived up to expectations but I still think he is too good a player not to be in and about the squad .
GY , you cant leave it like that regarding Danny Hughes ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 30, 2007, 03:16:26 PM
Dont Know if this has been posted already ...

21:30

Laochra Gael: Mickey Linden (OS)
Mickey Linden was one of the finest forwards in Gaelic Football between the early eighties and ;late nineties, winning 2 All Ireland medals with Down in 1991 and again in 1994 when he was chosen as footballer of the year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 30, 2007, 03:17:06 PM
1) Mickey Mc Veigh
2) Martin Cole
3) Adrian Scuillion
4) Darren Cunningham
5) John Clarke
6) Brendan Grant
7) Kevin Mc Guigan
8) Dan Gordon
9) Benny Coulter
10) Ronan Sexton
11) Mickey Walsh
12) Jackie Lynch
13) Danny Hughes
14) Eoin Mc Cartan
15) James Mc Govern
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 30, 2007, 03:24:04 PM
sorry lads, just stirring it a little. bored on a tues PM, and we have had no scandal on here in months! :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on January 30, 2007, 03:37:04 PM
sorry wobbler no chance doyle startin at 6 in the Louth game, and unlikely he will feature in league at all.  he is injured for 2-3 months i believe.  Hughes will make it.

Clarke might start full back on sunday as by all accounts he was excellent there in friday at navan.

I would definitely select Stephen Kearney in my panel, and i think if his injury is not too serious that ross will have him as well.  He knows what he can do from his time as manager of Mitchels. 

Think Telford will make the panel myself and also mcguigan from shams.  Also heard brown was very good on friday against Meath so he has a chance also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 30, 2007, 04:00:51 PM
I heard a few heads at the game on Sunday saying Doyle is in the States.  He is due back in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on January 30, 2007, 05:44:21 PM
Doyle was in the states after christmas but he is home there over a week ago as i saw him about castlewellan.

brick, definitely wouldn't play Lynch at wing forward, its midfield or no-where.

Grant maybe worthe a look at centre back.

A.mallon is Brendan Rodgers still in the squad, thought i heard it said that he was impressive in a few trial games as tight marker, but maybe mistaken.
Title: Re: brendan rodgers
Post by: bridgegael on January 30, 2007, 06:09:57 PM
rodgers tore his cartililage at down training the thursday before the antrim game,  yeah heard he was going well too. hope he makes a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 30, 2007, 08:56:02 PM
Would try Lynch at MF alongside Coulter with  Dan Gordon at FF. Would also play Molloy at CHB creating a strong physical spine down the middle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on January 31, 2007, 08:55:10 AM
Have to agree with "bearly"-its midfield for lynch...he's not a half forward !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 31, 2007, 08:58:15 AM
see ive a feeling he will line Lynch out at wing forward in number only, but he will really be playing as midfielder with Gordon and Benny across the middle, thus allowing Coulter free rein to go forward and drift, maybe in turn bringin one of the corner forward out and having a two man full forward line. Just my opinion though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 31, 2007, 09:00:27 AM
Andy Kane on one year sabbatical in Australia.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on January 31, 2007, 09:20:43 AM
Well the word from hilltown last night is that not that many people have been cut from the panel.   Certainly i have heard that quite a few midfielders have been retained.

First major shock is that Brendan Grant was not named from what i hear.  Any thoughts..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 31, 2007, 10:36:23 AM
Has anyone heard the squad ? No way Brendan Grant not in it .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 31, 2007, 10:48:09 AM
  I can't see Brendy McVeigh being dropped.  If Connell gets called up I think it will be the end of big Mickey.  He has been superb for the majority of his career but the last couple of seasons have seen him make errors that would have been unthinkable 5 years ago.

  I remain unconvinced about Jackie Lynch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 31, 2007, 11:09:48 AM
brendan mcveigh long gone, forget about him, it would take major work to get him back on panel. There are few other goalkeeping options available, connell seems to be the one that Ross etc are thinkin of.

Agree about Jackie Lynch - some serious PR craziness about big jackie last season being the best thing since sliced bread, the whole thing just snowballed out of control.Quite overrated imho.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 31, 2007, 11:56:32 AM
We've been here before 5ivetimes, so I don't want to cover old ground - but if you think that Brendan McVeigh a) is a poor keeper, or b) has the reactions of a dead slug, then you either a) have never seen him play football, or b) have no idea what you are talking about.

I'm not being being narky here, and opinions are always welcome, but this really is nonsense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 31, 2007, 12:04:01 PM
have to agree there, 5times yer at that computer too long, get away from the desk and get some air..
Peter travers still the number 1 club goalie in county, followed by B Mc Veigh imo. There are one or two class goalies in the county all under the age of 25 but they either havent the physique or temperment yet for senior intercounty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 31, 2007, 12:05:34 PM
Connell didn't look like a county keeper against Meath on Sunday.  Dropped one for the goal and played himself into trouble another time when the ball should have been cleared.
Title: Keepers
Post by: 5 Sams on January 31, 2007, 12:17:54 PM
Myself and the Wobbler were discussing this the other day...we have more good goalkeepers in Down now than we have forwards...fact.

What about Declan Alder...would he not be knocking on the senior panel door....we also have one of the best in the business in Keiran Murphy...brother of Paul.....and then of course there's another boy down Strangford way who stands in for Kilclief now and again....ah f**k it his name escapes me ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 31, 2007, 03:00:24 PM
  No idea who you are talking about 5 Sams, but if it is the same boy I am thinking about then he is to goalkeeping what the wobbler is to free taking!

  The lad Poland from Longstone is in the top 3 keepers in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on February 01, 2007, 12:29:21 AM
just heard brendan grant got dropped from the down panel... any truth in this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 01, 2007, 09:30:49 AM
Yeah seems to be true.  I have to say I'm surprised but I would have a biased opinion on it.  What do the non Bridge people think?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on February 01, 2007, 09:49:34 AM
Carr turns attention to League business 
Gaelic Games 
By Seamus Maloney 

DOWN manager Ross Carr has his side focussed on staying in top flight League football, but admits that the possibility of a slide to Division Three must be faced up to.

The Mournemen take on Louth on Sunday in the first round of Division 1B games with more than usual rising on the finishing positions in this season's NFL. Next season's reorganisation of the League means the top four teams in each Division One section will play at the top level next year, the next two will be in Division Two, while the sides finishing in seventh and eighth places in Divisions 1A and 1B will play Division Three football in 2008.

Down go into the game on the back of McKenna Cup game which produced defeats against Donegal and UUJ and a draw with Antrim. However, Carr and his management team used the competition as a series of trial games for untried and younger players, while giving established names a break from inter-county football.

"Without making excuses, we used the McKenna Cup the way we did because we didn't have the opportunity to play challenge matches before that," said Carr.

"We made a decision to use the McKenna Cup for trial games or to give players experience in a competitive situation.

"We knew that would leave us a little bit short going into the National League but we didn't see any other way around it because it was our first year in charge. We did get out of it what we had hoped, but we did realise it left us maybe 10-12 weeks behind everybody else.

"In Down's situation, again because this is our first year, I don't think anybody in the county is looking for a quick fix, and therefore we might be given a little bit of time to prove that what we are planning to do is the right way forward.

"Nevertheless, there is still an awful lot of pressure on us to perform, and a successful National League campaign, whether or not it's possible to accomplish this, is survival in Division One. Our goal for the 2007 National Football League is to maintain our Division One status.

"If we have a disastrous National League we can go from Division One to Division Three which wouldn't be good for anybody, because you would be going into a Championship having been relegated two divisions. But we have to look at the possibility of that. We have to understand that it is a possibility."

Looking ahead to Sunday's game, Carr didn't hesitate to make Down's neighbours favourites for the clash in Drogheda, pointing out that Eamonn McEneaney's Louth side are coming off a successful 2006 and are much further along in their development than Down.

"I don't think we're at the same level as Louth at the minute," he said. "2006 was probably the most successful year in Louth since 1957. They won two national titles last year, the Division Two title and the Tommy Murphy Cup.

"They could only compete in Division Two, so I wouldn't undermine the value and significance of that. A couple of years ago Offaly beat Down in the Division Two final and they went on to contest the Leinster final last year. I would say that's what Louth are looking at now.

"We know Louth will be very formidable, but we can't go into the game worrying about Louth all the time.

"We have enough in our own camp to think about. The fellas playing for Down on Sunday will have to realise that first and foremost they have to give their best as individuals, and then they can go on and win together as a team."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 01, 2007, 10:05:48 AM
We haven't kicked a ball yet and he is talking about Division 3 , get a grip . I don't know about everyone else but I am looking for a quick fix , we are long enough knocking about in the doldrums .I'm not talking about silverware but a good run in the League and Championship is expected . POR managed to keep us in Div. 1 and Ross and DJ have inherited the same bunch of players surely with the addition of a few players and a few positional changes Down should expect to remain in Div.1 ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on February 01, 2007, 01:06:55 PM
think the decision to drop brendan grant is a crazy decision, he's definetly one of the best defenders in down and has county footballing experience from minor level. obviously ross carr doesnt rate the player at all. think this is opening the door for other players like darren cunningham and mark rooney to try out as new Down full backs!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on February 01, 2007, 01:56:20 PM
i was previously known as fcuk the met messageboard on the old board.. i just want to state that i cannot believe Brendan grant is not on the county panel.. the last game he played was agianst Ballinderry.. he fot stupidly sent off but prior to that had Enda Muldoon in his pocket. If Ross did nt think he was a cert, why was he not playing in the Mc kenna cup??????????????????????? maybe i am being biased but i think everyone would agree he deserves to be on the panel(at least!!)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 01, 2007, 02:02:39 PM
Brendan is defo off the panel.  I saw the Down - Meath game at Newcastle and he had a good game steady game.

T O'Hare see you managed to get your head onto Laochra Gael the other night!  Good luck in the Scór, hope your not up against the Ballyholand boys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on February 01, 2007, 02:12:08 PM
Mickey was trying to steal the limelight of me!!!!.. i will try and be an able sub for ya..
maybe i am being biased but over the past four /five years, Brendan grant and Gavin Barry have been the most consistent defenders in Down.. neither are on the Down panel ??????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 01, 2007, 03:58:54 PM
Gavin Barry has great heart and never gives up but he is too small for inter county . Remember POR played him on Mattie Ford one day in Newcastle for 20 mins . So Grant and Barry aren't on it  who is ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on February 01, 2007, 04:01:04 PM
T O Hare why have you changed your id?
You arent the great T O Hare are you or just a wannabe?
Conor Gribben got the axe as well but Toner and Carville made the cut from Bryansford - very bizarre choices.
Why is the panel such a secret when they trained in Newcastle last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 01, 2007, 04:13:04 PM
In - Kevin Mc Kiernan , Brian & Neill Sweeney , Colm Murtagh, John Boyle

Out - Paudie Matthews , Brendan Grant, Conor Gribben , Mc Ardle (Castlewellan)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on February 01, 2007, 04:31:28 PM
Can't express my disappointment anymore at Ross dropping Brendan Grant from the Down panel! the man is a consistent performer with a wealth of county experience. at least he can get a break from football for a while.... can see ross knocking at the door again in the near future when he realises he hasnt got 3 or more better defenders than brendan grant.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 01, 2007, 09:57:21 PM
If Brick's sources are correct and the Sweeney boys are in, well I'll be a bit surprised. I have to put my hands up and say I've never seen the lads play, but I find it inconceivable that a team with two county standard players (plus Declan Lavery) could be languishing in Division IV. Bright managed to find their way out last season (and stay out of it this season) on the back of getting two first division players, so county players should walk it.

Re Grant, you'd have to look long and hard in Down football to find 6 defenders capable of keeping him out of the team, let alone another 6 capable of forcing him out of the panel.

Last point for now - one of the biggest problems during Paddy O'Rourke's tenure was a lack of communication with the fans. Paddy never named his team early, his players never spoke to the press, and he rarely did either. There was a basic lack of desire to keep the fans informed and involved and personally I reckon this was one of the key factors in the apathy towards the Down side in recent years. The lack of PR, positive or otherwise, was simply dreadful (and trust me, this wasn't the PRO's fault).

Well unfortunately it looks like Ross and co. have no desire to learn from this mistake, because if anything communications, PR, etc., have only got worse this year. There was not one press release to the papers or even a memo the clubs regarding the players who had trials in December and January, despite this representing a wonderful publicity opportunity for the new management. And now, with just a couple of days to go to the first National League game, not only have we not got a starting team, we have no clue about the panel bar the rumours that are slipping out through the clubs. As with every Gael in County Down, I want to know what is happening with my county team,  and this really isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 01, 2007, 10:08:22 PM
Well said Wobbler, you speak for every Down Fan. Grant decision requires some explanation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on February 01, 2007, 10:37:21 PM
it is a very strange decision as said before if he was on the border line why not play him in the MC Kenna cup think there is more to this than meets the eye hope its not a decision that comes back to haunt Ross
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on February 01, 2007, 11:23:55 PM
QuoteIf Brick's sources are correct and the Sweeney boys are in, well I'll be a bit surprised. I have to put my hands up and say I've never seen the lads play, but I find it inconceivable that a team with two county standard players (plus Declan Lavery) could be languishing in Division IV. Bright managed to find their way out last season (and stay out of it this season) on the back of getting two first division players, so county players should walk it.

Wobbler,apart from the boys you named St Micks have maybe another couple of decent footballers, the rest are pretty crap which is understandable given their small pick. Despite that, the year Bright went up St Michaels were walking away with the division before their points were frozen after a row in dundrum. Last year St Micks suffered a bit of a hangover from the suspension and Declan Laverty spent the summer in Boston but they still managed to beat St Pauls(who went up) twice and draw with Bredagh. The two lads are decent footballers who are certainly big enough and skilful enough to play county football. Whether they have the mobility necessary remains to be seen, but a spell training with the county will soon establish this.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 02, 2007, 09:45:44 AM
Down Football Leagues start on Friday 13th April.
The Hurlers start bating lumps out of each other on Tuesday the 10th.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 02, 2007, 09:58:51 AM
Its all gossip and hearsay!!!!! :D :D

seems to be that Ross has kept a panel of about 40 odd which in itself is just baffling.
more and more names keep emergin of who has made it, it seems that more have made it than not. Im pretty sure that Sweeneys have made it, and the others i mentioned. It looks like he goin to completely re-build a new team or panel starting from scratch - personally i think that no-one should be untouchable as regards the chop, no matter who they are. I do find it hard to disagree that Grant isnt one of the best defenders about. Either way its a bold move (and i disagree with it) but i still support the managements decisions (if that isnt contradictory)and am looking forward to the start of the league with anticipation. Does anyone know that all the rested "regulars" were actually given rests or did they request them.

never a dull moment eh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on February 02, 2007, 10:22:06 AM
Down Football Leagues start on Friday 13th April.
The Hurlers start bating lumps out of each other on Tuesday the 10th.

5 Sams, is there a master fixture list out yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 02, 2007, 10:34:45 AM
Have you any other details No 1?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 02, 2007, 10:41:52 AM
I have just sent it to you No 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on February 02, 2007, 10:45:39 AM

Was ross's son aiden on the down panel last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blowinharp on February 02, 2007, 11:02:49 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on February 02, 2007, 09:58:51 AM
Its all gossip and hearsay!!!!! :D :D

seems to be that Ross has kept a panel of about 40 odd which in itself is just baffling.
more and more names keep emergin of who has made it, it seems that more have made it than not. Im pretty sure that Sweeneys have made it, and the others i mentioned. It looks like he goin to completely re-build a new team or panel starting from scratch - personally i think that no-one should be untouchable as regards the chop, no matter who they are. I do find it hard to disagree that Grant isnt one of the best defenders about. Either way its a bold move (and i disagree with it) but i still support the managements decisions (if that isnt contradictory)and am looking forward to the start of the league with anticipation. Does anyone know that all the rested "regulars" were actually given rests or did they request them.
never a dull moment eh.

the 'regulars' as u describe them did not request the rest, they were given to them, but they still had to do some form of training twice a week. :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on February 02, 2007, 11:04:18 AM
Quote from: blowinharp on February 02, 2007, 11:02:49 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on February 02, 2007, 09:58:51 AM
Its all gossip and hearsay!!!!! :D :D

seems to be that Ross has kept a panel of about 40 odd which in itself is just baffling.
more and more names keep emergin of who has made it, it seems that more have made it than not. Im pretty sure that Sweeneys have made it, and the others i mentioned. It looks like he goin to completely re-build a new team or panel starting from scratch - personally i think that no-one should be untouchable as regards the chop, no matter who they are. I do find it hard to disagree that Grant isnt one of the best defenders about. Either way its a bold move (and i disagree with it) but i still support the managements decisions (if that isnt contradictory)and am looking forward to the start of the league with anticipation. Does anyone know that all the rested "regulars" were actually given rests or did they request them.
never a dull moment eh.

the 'regulars' as u describe them did not request the rest, they were given to them, but they still had to do some form of training twice a week. :)

Some of the 'regulars' only started training a few weeks ago, so you'd kinda think that they'll not be starting on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on February 02, 2007, 12:10:25 PM
Fixtures Div 1 2007
Division 1

Round One
Attical      v      Rostrevor   
Bryansford      v      Clonduff   
Castlewellan   v      Longstone   
Mayobridge      v      Kilcoo   
Loughinisland   v      Burren   
An Riocht      v      Liatroim   

Round  Two
Rostrevor      v      Bryansford   
Clonduff      v      Attical   
Longstone      v      Mayobridge   
Kilcoo      v      Castlewellan   
Burren      v      An Riocht   
Liatroim      v      Loughinisland   

Round Three         
Attical      v      Longstone   
Bryansford      v      Kilcoo   
Mayobridge      v      Liatroim   
Castlewellan   v      Burren   
Loughinisland   v      Rostrevor   
An Riocht      v      Clonduff   

Round Four
Rostrevor      v      Castlewellan   
Clonduff      v      Mayobridge   
Longstone      v      Loughinisland   
Kilcoo      v      An Riocht   
Burren      v      Attical   
Liatroim      v      Bryansford   

         
Round Five
An Riocht      v      Longstone   
Attical      v      Kilcoo   
Bryansford      v      Burren   
Castlewellan   v      Liatroim   
Mayobridge      v      Rostrevor   
Loughinisland   v      Clonduff   


Round Six
Rostrevor      v      An Riocht   
Clonduff      v      Castlewellan   
Longstone      v      Bryansford   
Kilcoo      v      Loughinisland   
Burren      v      Mayobridge   
Liatroim      v      Attical   





Round Seven
Loughinisland   v      Mayobridge   
Castlewellan   v      Bryansford   
Attical      v      An Riocht   
Burren      v      Kilcoo   
Longstone      v      Clonduff   
Rostrevor      v      Liatroim   


Round Eight
Bryansford      v      Loughinisland   
Liatroim      v      Longstone   
Clonduff      v      Burren   
Mayobridge      v      Attical   
An Riocht      v      Castlewellan   
Kilcoo      v      Rostrevor   


Round Nine
Attical      v      Bryansford   
Loughinisland   v      Castlewellan   
Mayobridge      v      An Riocht   
Rostrevor      v      Clonduff   
Longstone      v      Burren   
Kilcoo      v      Liatroim   

Round Ten
Castlewellan   v      Attical   
Loughinisland   v      An Riocht   
Bryansford      v      Mayobridge   
Longstone      v      Rostrevor   
Clonduff      v      Kilcoo   
Burren      v      Liatroim   


Round Eleven
An Riocht      v      Bryansford   
Attical      v      Loughinisland   
Mayobridge      v      Castlewellan   
Liatroim      v      Clonduff   
Rostrevor      v      Burren   
Kilcoo      v      Longstone   

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on February 02, 2007, 12:31:37 PM
Division 3

Round One
Bright      v      Drumgath   
Teconnaught      v      Mitchels   
Dundrum      v      Tullylish   
Glenn      v      Saul   
St Pauls      v      Bosco   
Ardglass      v      Bredagh   

Round  Two
Drumgath      v      Teconnaught   
Mitchels      v      Bright   
Tullylish      v      Glenn   
Saul      v      Dundrum   
Bosco      v      Ardglass   
Bredagh      v      St Pauls   

Round Three         
Bright      v      Tullylish   
Teconnaught      v      Saul   
Glenn      v      Bredagh   
Dundrum      v      Bosco   
St Pauls      v      Drumgath   
Ardglass      v      Mitchels   

Round Four
Drumgath      v      Dundrum   
Mitchels      v      Glenn   
Tullylish      v      St Pauls   
Saul      v      Ardglass   
Bosco      v      Bright   
Bredagh      v      Teconnaught   

         
Round Five
Ardglass      v      Tullylish   
Bright      v      Saul   
Teconnaught      v      Bosco   
Dundrum      v      Bredagh   
Glenn      v      Drumgath   
St Pauls      v      Mitchels   


Round Six
Drumgath      v      Ardglass   
Mitchels      v      Dundrum   
Tullylish      v      Teconnaught   
Saul      v      St Pauls   
Bosco      v      Glenn   
Bredagh      v      Bright   





Round   Seven
St Pauls      v      Glenn   
Dundrum      v      Teconnaught   
Bright      v      Ardglass   
Bosco      v      Saul   
Tullylish      v      Mitchels   
Drumgath      v      Bredagh   


Round   Eight
Teconnaught      v      St Pauls   
Bredagh      v      Tullylish   
Mitchels      v      Bosco   
Glenn      v      Bright   
Ardglass      v      Dundrum   
Saul      v      Drumgath   


Round   Nine
Bright      v      Teconnaught   
St Pauls      v      Dundrum   
Glenn      v      Ardglass   
Drumgath      v      Mitchels   
Tullylish      v      Bosco   
Saul      v      Bredagh   

Round Ten
Dundrum      v      Bright   
St Pauls      v      Ardglass   
Teconnaught      v      Glenn   
Tullylish      v      Drumgath   
Mitchels      v      Saul   
Bosco      v      Bredagh   


Round Eleven
Ardglass      v      Teconnaught   
Bright      v      St Pauls   
Glenn      v      Dundrum   
Bredagh      v      Mitchels   
Drumgath      v      Bosco   
Saul      v      Tullylish   

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on February 03, 2007, 09:07:30 AM
DOWN v Louth

1 Bernard Connell
2 Kevin McGuigan
3 Darren Cunningham
4 Paul Shields
5 Daniel McCartan
6 Declan Rooney
7 Peter Telford
8 Dan Gordan
9 Jack Lynch
10 Mark Poland
11 Aidan Burns
12 Aidan Carr
13 James McGovern
14 Brendan Coulter
15 Paul Murphy

16 Michael McVeigh
17 Eoin Henry
18 Colm Murtagh
19 Joe Doran
20 John Clarke
21 Martin McClean
22 Colin McCrickard
23 Peter Turley
24 Gareth Johnson
25 Daniel Hughes
26 Brendan McGourty
27 Ronan Sexton
28 Brendan Loughran
29 Barry Doran
39 Jason Brown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 03, 2007, 02:18:34 PM
I was at the Cremartin U-21 Tournament game in Longstone there this morning between Down and Tyrone. I left with about 10 minutes remaining with Down trailing by 3 points.
Tyrone put out a strong line-up. Paul Marlowe looked strong at Full Back. Martin Murray was good at wingback while your boy McCaughey was immense at midfield. Their best forward was Jason McAnulla. I would say that Tyrone looked the better team. With Cavanagh and Boggs and the rest of the crew to come back it meant that the fringe players upped their game to impress.
Down looked pretty much at full strength. Kevin McKernan was good at Number 6 while Luke Howard had his moments on the wing. Colgan and Ireland done midfield and didnt win a clean ball all day. All Colgan did was shout constantly. Apparently he's looking to be captain. Ireland struggled badly. He is slow to release the ball, has poor carrying skills and lacks pace and stamina to track back.
The forwards had somewhat of an off day apart from John Boyle. Over the course of the game he was probably the player on the pitch who was on the ball the most. He seems to be an excellent playmaker. Ryan Kelly and Stephen Doran showed well at times but Maginn and McComiskey were slightly underpar. Downey struggled at full forward before being replaced by Stephen Sands. He done a much better job and looks a lot fitter than he previously was.
Of the subs that I seen John McCarthy looked the best. Again it looks like Martin Clarke is being sorely missed. Boyle is a class act but to have Clarke in that half forward area would have greatly increased Down's prospects.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on February 03, 2007, 03:50:15 PM
Can anyone put the fixtures up for Division 2, or where can they be seen?
Our county website aint too up-to-date as usual!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 03, 2007, 04:38:20 PM
All County Football League Division II- Dé hAoine 13 Aibrean 2007

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  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff  -v-  Sabhall
Saval   
  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin  -v-  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks   
  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU  -v-  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint   
  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps  -v-  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna   
  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief  -v-  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross   
  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman  -v-  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé Luain 16 Aibrean 2007

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  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks  -v-  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU   
  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint  -v-  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin   
  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna  -v-  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief   
  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross  -v-  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps   
  Sabhall
Saval  -v-  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman   
  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone  -v-  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé hAoine 20 Aibrean 2007

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  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin  -v-  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna   
  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU  -v-  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross   
  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief  -v-  Sabhall
Saval   
  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps  -v-  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone   
  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman  -v-  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks   
  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff  -v-  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé Luain 23 Aibrean 2007

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  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone  -v-  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin   
  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna  -v-  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman   
  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint  -v-  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief   
  Sabhall
Saval  -v-  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU   
  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks  -v-  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps   
  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross  -v-  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé hAoine 27 Aibrean 2007

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  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff  -v-  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna   
  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin  -v-  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross   
  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU  -v-  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone   
  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps  -v-  Sabhall
Saval   
  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief  -v-  Sabhall
Saval   
  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman  -v-  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé hAoine 4 Bealtaine 2007

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  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint  -v-  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps   
  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna  -v-  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU   
  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross  -v-  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman   
  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone  -v-  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief   
  Sabhall
Saval  -v-  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin   
  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks  -v-  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé hAoine 11 Bealtaine 2007

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  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin  -v-  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff   
  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman  -v-  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief   
  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps  -v-  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU   
  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone  -v-  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross   
  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna  -v-  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint   
  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks  -v-  Sabhall
Saval   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé hAoine 18 Bealtaine 2007

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  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU  -v-  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman   
  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief  -v-  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin   
  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross  -v-  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks   
  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff  -v-  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps   
  Sabhall
Saval  -v-  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna   
  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint  -v-  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé Luain 21 Bealtaine 2007

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  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief  -v-  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff   
  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin  -v-  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU   
  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman  -v-  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps   
  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks  -v-  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint   
  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna  -v-  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone   
  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross  -v-  Sabhall
Saval   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé hAoine 25 Bealtaine 2007

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  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps  -v-  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin   
  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna  -v-  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks   
  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman  -v-  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff   
  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU  -v-  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief   
  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint  -v-  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross   
  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone  -v-  Sabhall
Saval   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé hAoine 1 Meitheamh 2007

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  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff  -v-  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU   
  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin  -v-  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman   
  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief  -v-  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps   
  Sabhall
Saval  -v-  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint   
  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks  -v-  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone   
  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross  -v-  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé hAoine 8 Meitheamh 2007

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  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks  -v-  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin   
  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint  -v-  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU   
  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna  -v-  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps   
  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone  -v-  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman   
  Sabhall
Saval  -v-  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff   
  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross  -v-  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé hAoine 15 Meitheamh 2007

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  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU  -v-  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks   
  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief  -v-  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna   
  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps  -v-  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross   
  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman  -v-  Sabhall
Saval   
  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff  -v-  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone   
  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin  -v-  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé hAoine 22 Meitheamh 2007

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  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna  -v-  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin   
  Sabhall
Saval  -v-  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief   
  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint  -v-  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff   
  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross  -v-  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU   
  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone  -v-  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps   
  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks  -v-  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé hAoine 29 Meitheamh 2007

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  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps  -v-  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks   
  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff  -v-  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross   
  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief  -v-  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint   
  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman  -v-  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna   
  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin  -v-  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone   
  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU  -v-  Sabhall
Saval   


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All County Football League Division II- Déardaoin 5 Iuil 2007

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  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross  -v-  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin   
  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone  -v-  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU   
  Sabhall
Saval  -v-  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps   
  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks  -v-  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief   
  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint  -v-  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman   
  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna  -v-  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé Luain 23 Iuil 2007

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  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff  -v-  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks   
  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps  -v-  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint   
  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU  -v-  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna   
  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman  -v-  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross   
  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief  -v-  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone   
  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin  -v-  Sabhall
Saval   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé hAoine 27 Iuil 2007

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  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief  -v-  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman   
  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff  -v-  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin   
  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU  -v-  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps   
  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross  -v-  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone   
  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint  -v-  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna   
  Sabhall
Saval  -v-  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé Luain 30 Iuil 2007

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  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman  -v-  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU   
  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna  -v-  Sabhall
Saval   
  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone  -v-  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint   
  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin  -v-  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief   
  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks  -v-  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross   
  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps  -v-  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé hAoine 3 Lunasa 2007

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  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff  -v-  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief   
  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU  -v-  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin   
  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps  -v-  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman   
  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint  -v-  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks   
  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone  -v-  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna   
  Sabhall
Saval  -v-  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé hAoine 17 Lunasa 2007

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  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin  -v-  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps   
  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief  -v-  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU   
  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks  -v-  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna   
  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross  -v-  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint   
  Sabhall
Saval  -v-  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone   
  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff  -v-  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman   


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All County Football League Division II- Dé hAoine 31 Lunasa 2007

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  Tomás Ruiséil, Dún Phadriag
Downpatrick RGU  -v-  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff   
  An Ghlasdromainn
Glassdrumman  -v-  Baile Uí Mhairtin
Ballymartin   
  Baile Cholmain
Ballyholland Harps  -v-  Cill Cléithe Ben Dearg
Kilclief   
  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
Warrenpoint  -v-  Sabhall
Saval   
  Eanach Cluana
Annaclone  -v-  Seamrogai An Iuir
Newry Shamrocks   
  Clann na Banna
Clann na Banna  -v-  Cros Darach
Darragh Cross   


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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Armagh4SamAgain on February 03, 2007, 09:13:56 PM
wat does this mean? sum of it is in Irish an sum isnt. y do u do this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on February 03, 2007, 09:32:39 PM
Quotewat does this mean? sum of it is in Irish an sum isnt. y do u do this?

Strange language.  You think you are on a phone.  Post properly with proper English or dont post at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 04, 2007, 12:53:23 AM
Quite right Cloc Mor. Don't let this board descend into text-speak, even if that is the format some people in Armagh may prefer. However, let's focus on the main issue, which is obviously whether Down for the first time in a decade can field a defence of inter-county standard. I'm not at all sure if we will see many positive signs in Drogheda, but Ross is quite right to experiment and, as ever, we will travel in hope.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on February 04, 2007, 09:35:35 AM
will be surprised if we get anything out off this today but i travel with hope
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on February 04, 2007, 11:37:43 AM
QuoteI`m quite surprised at some of Ross`s selection, but at the end of the day he`s the Boss and if we win today, we`ll all be singing his praises. Louth are quite up for this game and are expecting to win.

Strange selection to say the least:
Kevin McGuigan – a wing half back stuck in at No.2
Paul Shields – a center half back who has always been skinned at corner back because he lacks pace
Daniel McCartan -  not county standard (but he's a mc cartan after all so he has to play) and a poor corner back at best
Declan Rooney – a wing half forward for burren but center half back for Down ??????
Peter Telford - a midfielder but playing at No.7.  His man should score 4/5 points if he is any good
James McGovern – Wing half back or forward yet at No.13
Brendan Coulter – Has been tried here too often – would like to see him further out the field
Paul Murphy – Defender last year and now corner forward

And Carr says he wants to stay in Division 1 – not with this team he ain't.

Hope these words come back to haunt me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on February 06, 2007, 08:16:28 AM
Any predictions for the Down starting 15 this weekend. Any players in particular that you would like to see starting as opposed to the team that played agasinst Louth ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 08, 2007, 10:54:47 AM
Looks like we will be without the services of Eoin McCartan this year if reports in the paper yesterday are true . Ross is in the paper today talking about the U21's anyone see the article yet ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 08, 2007, 11:04:40 AM
Had a scan yesterday  , Cruciate damage they think . Yes picked up against Meath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 08, 2007, 12:37:19 PM
if thats true then its his 2nd cruciate tear inside 24 months i think.
can sympathise with him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on February 08, 2007, 12:44:01 PM
That's shit bad luck, feel sorry for the lad. I see another Charlie Pat situation developing here unfortunately.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 08, 2007, 03:24:49 PM
What  other ground have we nominated for our league games ? Burren ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on February 09, 2007, 01:41:51 PM
letter out today states that pairc esler will be opening in june. letter from club down so i reckon it has to the real deal.

acc to the letter, all going acc to plan and will def be opening in june to a "much different marshes stadium"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 10, 2007, 09:30:56 AM
Can anybody post a photo of the work in progress at the Marshes? I hope they're sorting the pitch out as well as the stand.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on February 10, 2007, 09:35:50 AM
drove past it the other day on the omeath road you can see the pitch is all dug up so take it they are doing it too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on February 10, 2007, 11:52:52 AM
Terrible news for young McCartan. Very unlucky to have two such injuries so quickly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on February 10, 2007, 02:56:29 PM
The reason the pitch is dug up is because they intend 'rolling out' ready grown grass and not growing from a sod with grass seed.  If Down get over Cavan they have Monaghan at home and it is supposed to be ready for this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 14, 2007, 11:22:12 AM
amallon , Is there anything doing the rounds regarding Brendan Grant ? I cant believe he can be dropped off the panel .

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 14, 2007, 11:37:22 AM
I've heard he was dropped for not putting in enough effort which if you know Brendan is very hard to believe.  I think its only a matter of time before they want him back.  Were Paudie Matthews or Paul Shields among the subs on Sunday?  I've heard they and someone from the Kingdom quit the panel in the run up to the Kildare game. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on February 14, 2007, 11:41:59 AM
Congratulations to Bredagh who won the East Down club of the year award last Friday night. Even if they hadn't won Div 4 of the football league, JFC, Div 3 Ulster SHL and various under age hurling & Ladies football competitions they would have deserved the title for the work they put in at underage level across all codes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 14, 2007, 11:44:33 AM
Shields has walked and id not be a bit surprised if Matthews has followed, who is the kingdom lad that has left, couldnt really be anyone other than Brendan Mc Veigh but sure thats old news. Id near bet my house that Brendan Grant will not be asked back onto the panel unless there is drastic change of heart. Im sure there wioll be a few more casualties not before long  -  Brendan Loughran was due to start on sunday in place of Danny Hughes but injured his ankle badly in training last week and looks to be out now for a few months.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 14, 2007, 11:49:54 AM
Why would you be so sure that he will not be asked back , surely the panel should be open ended and if he is doing the business he has to be asked back . Himself and Cole where are best defenders last year, if Ross wants to look at other lads fair enough but to be gone off the panel altogeather is a bit strange (IMO).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 14, 2007, 12:01:59 PM
there has been many a player that has been doin the business for his club in/out every season and on great form and has never been asked or approached for the county. I just dont think that Ross/DJ will turn on their decision, just my opinion. The way i see it is that its a massive decision to drop him  and one that could ultimately come back to bite them in the arse but no one team or management should revolve around any one player no matter who they are and sometimes the strangest decisions turn out to be the better ones or most beneficial to the team. And before ye get on my back about Grant i personally think he would be an asset to the squad but hey i aint the manager.

Also I dunno where you got the idea that Grant & Cole were the best defenders we had last year. IMO Scullion is as a reliable defender as we have had this last 12 months. Cole maybe had a good enough season but cant agree with Grant havin a decent season last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 14, 2007, 12:41:38 PM
Look no-one's getting on anyone's back  just asking questions and putting accross opinions ( for what they are worth ) , You rate Skullion and I think he works hard myself  but I know a rake of people who wouldn't have him about the place . I actually thought Cole was our best defender last year and that Grant did nothing to merit getting dropped from the panel . That's why I asked amallon was there anything more to it .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on February 14, 2007, 01:41:13 PM
Anyone got the 2007 div 4 fixtures as cant find them on downgaa site?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 14, 2007, 01:53:38 PM
re-read my posts earlier, didnt mean to come across aggressively DR&B.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 14, 2007, 02:13:35 PM
I have the fixtures for the season football and hurling. If anyone wants them PM me with your email and I can forward you on a copy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 15, 2007, 12:02:14 AM
It's a real pity that a handful of people in our county regard Bredagh as a threat rather than an asset. Wobbller (bring back the real Wobbler) claims that Bredagh have no `proper underage silverware.' This is simply wrong. Bredagh are the reigning u14 and u16 B hurling champions, meaning that, apart from the three established Ards teams, they are the best in Down at both levels. Kilcoo are our best underage football club over recent years, but Bredagh consistently run them close in East Down.  Measuring both football and hurling at underage level, it seems fairly clear that Bredagh have managed to set a very high standard for a club with little tradition and no pitch. Good luck to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on February 15, 2007, 07:56:57 AM
Well said Rover. Congrats to Bredagh and fcuk the begrudgers. I take it Wobller with two lls if Down win the Christy Ring this year you'll not recognise it? Some people need to get their heads out of their holes and realise that if  Down football is to rise from second tier status, standards need to rise throughout the county not just in South Down.

BTW i'd like to personally thank Bredagh (and Lecale in particular) for the neighbourly helping hand St Pauls got in kick starting an underage hurling set up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on February 15, 2007, 11:29:19 AM
You may be right about their youth football but I thought at least half of the lads that won the league & Junior Football Championship had come through the youth set up. May be someone from Bredagh can confirm? A JFC may not mean much to your club Wobbler but for clubs that have never won anything it's a big deal and sign of progress.
On the hurling side the arrival of Bredagh has been a shot in the arm for hurling outside the Ards. At a time when many clubs were abandoning hurling they were going the opposite direction. If hurling is to have any future we need clubs in urban areas with large numbers playing as well as the traditional areas. It's great to see Bredagh, Carryduff and now St Paul's making the effort. They should be applauded rather than criticised. That's what the East Down board was doing by awarding them Club of the year.

I find it hard to understand some of the bitching that goes on here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 15, 2007, 11:51:11 AM
I've been wrong before wombles.  Thats what I heard but its not gospel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on February 15, 2007, 12:23:49 PM
no one has walked; shields is still there.

bad news re: brendan loughran lads. he tore cruciate and cartilage, also damaged nerves to his foot. thoughts are he wont play football again. happened in an inocuous tackle with coly murtagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on February 15, 2007, 04:17:03 PM
I'd just like to thank all the people on this forum who support bredagh, obviously it is my own club and we have people from the local area who care just as much and put just as much effort into gaelic sports as people from south down. the team that won the jfc had over 10 local lads who have come up through the youth system. most of those players are in their early twenties, showing that all the hard work that has been put in is starting to come through. maybe people dont give us the respect we deserve because other clubs are beginning to take notice of quickly we are improving, in both football and hurling, and are starting to get nervous. just a thought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on February 15, 2007, 05:22:50 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on February 15, 2007, 04:17:03 PM
I'd just like to thank all the people on this forum who support bredagh, obviously it is my own club and we have people from the local area who care just as much and put just as much effort into gaelic sports as people from south down. the team that won the jfc had over 10 local lads who have come up through the youth system. most of those players are in their early twenties, showing that all the hard work that has been put in is starting to come through. maybe people dont give us the respect we deserve because other clubs are beginning to take notice of quickly we are improving, in both football and hurling, and are starting to get nervous. just a thought.
I wouldn't knock anybody putting the effort into coaching young fellas and promoting our games and fair play to Bredagh for winning the award. I've always found them civil and sporting in both hurling & football. But if you think your resent success is making the likes of Ballygalget, Portaferry, Burren, Castlewellan and Mayobridge nervous I don't know what planet you're on son.  :D
Anyway keep up the good work and congrats on the award. Nice to see from Passedits post that yous are helping out St Pauls with hurling. Thats the way it should be. We're all on the same side really.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 17, 2007, 02:34:38 PM
I'd glad that this thread has taken on a more realistic tone about the north Down clubs, but I still think that some people are missing the point. We have 48 clubs in Down, including the Ards hurling trio and Ballela, and as far as I'm concerned they all do an excellent job. However, roughly 50 per cent of the population of our county is covered by 45 of those clubs. The remaining three, Bredagh, Carryduff and St Paul's, must cater for the other 50 per cent.

While we are obviously talking about an area which is mainly unionist, there is still a very significant and often untapped GAA community there. Every club in Down faces its own particular challenges, but getting young players to turn up on a regular basis in districts where there is not a strong GAA tradition is particularly difficult on a number of levels.

Carryduff have done very well to survive in division two, while both Bredagh and St Paul's were promoted to division three for the coming season. All three have fine under-age set-ups, and they need to be encouraged if our various county teams are to progress. I don't see the balance of hurling and football power in Down shifting to the north, but I think that any potential for growth in our county needs to be fully explored.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 17, 2007, 11:21:13 PM
That is great news Fivetimes, we certainly need depth and Alan always gives 100%
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 18, 2007, 11:37:35 AM
Alan Molloy's return is a big boost, as he was definitely our best player last summer. He may revert to corner back, but, if we use Coulter and Hughes as a two-man full forward line, he could also be used as an extra man at the back.

Can anyone shed some light on the recovery period for our other missing faces, including Martin Cole, Ambrose Rogers, Michael Walsh and Liam Doyle ? I'm assuming that Eoin McCartan, who has been incredibly unlucky with injuries, is a long-term casualty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on February 18, 2007, 01:18:22 PM
QuoteAlan Molloy's return is a big boost, as he was definitely our best player last summer. He may revert to corner back, but, if we use Coulter and Hughes as a two-man full forward line, he could also be used as an extra man at the back.

Are you serious MR.  Molloy at corner back against some of the paciest players in any team - cant agree with you there at all.  Good to see him back but and a holding role covering the defence would suit him best.  He does this very well for Loughinisland.  Quite a few teams play this system when needed but last year when we were crying out for this ( and really needed an extra man in defence) we continued to play an orthodox system.  The game has moved on and hopefully Ross/DJ will select our team, and system of play, accordingly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 18, 2007, 08:27:13 PM
Cloc Mor, when Molloy was our best player last summer, it was as a corner back. He may not have much pace, but he has the anticipation and experience to do the job. I agree with you that some sort of holding role might suit him even better, and I hope we see a little experimentation in this regard before the championship. Our defence has been starting to take shape, but it still needs more work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on February 19, 2007, 10:06:33 AM
Down's All-Ireland minor winning player Martin Clarke produced an impressive Australian Rules Football debut for Collingwood on Friday.
Clarke played in his club's 66-51 exhibition defeat by the Sydney Swans.

The 18-year-old, who agreed a two-year deal with the top AFL outfit in August, was lauded by Collingwood assistant coach Gavin Brown after the game.

"Marty (Clarke) was the standout for us given he hadn't played a game of Aussie Rules before," said Brown.

"It just showed he has got enormous amount of will and want and he has put in a lot of work and it was fantastic for him, a good step."


The An Riocht clubman impressed the AFL club in a five-week trial Down Under last year and later accepted a two-year deal with the option of a further season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on February 20, 2007, 02:09:53 PM
When will the championship draws be made? It's usually done at the end of January.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on February 20, 2007, 05:56:19 PM
i hear we are for a new league and championship structure next year.....

changing numbers of teams in each division, 1 game against each (not home & away) and a round robin championship....sounds the business....

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on February 20, 2007, 06:10:34 PM
Any change would be welcome - our compeitions have become very stale in the last number of years.  Hopefully they will do away with the playoffs as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on February 21, 2007, 07:26:59 PM
Have you any details Goldenyears?
Title: County Training Site
Post by: No1 on February 23, 2007, 10:48:03 AM
  I'd  like to clarify Kevin Bell's comments in today's Gaelic Life. 

  The county board bought a site from Kilclief to develop as centre for hurling a few years back.  They never developed the site and gave no money whatsoever towards development of any sort. 

  Mr Bell states that the site was sold back to Kilclief.  It was not.  

  Despite repeated attempts by the Kilclief committee to discuss the possibility of buying the site back (so we could start to develop it in a manner we saw fit) The county board have not met with club reps and have continually buried the issue in the sand.

  I do not know if Mr Bell is not telling the truth or is mis-informed but his comments are completely wrong and out of order.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on February 23, 2007, 04:22:33 PM
Carr plans include the return of Walsh 
Allianz National Football League 
By Brendan Crossan 

DOWN boss Ross Carr expects playmaker Michael Walsh to make a return to county colours before the end of their National League campaign.

The Mayobridge forward, who is currently working in London, sustained an injury while playing for his club last year and is still not fully fit.

However, Walsh has hooked up with the Mourne panel at the weekends to undergo physio treatment and he should be ready for action in mid-to-late March.

"We'd be hoping Mickey will play in the last couple of games in the National League," said Carr.

"He picked up a knock with Mayobridge last year and it's taking a little longer to clear up, but he seems to be making progress."

Daniel Hughes and Benny Coulter should shake off minor knocks to face Westmeath this weekend, but corner-back Daniel McCartan is in Chicago with work commitments, although he will be available for the Mournemen's next NFL outing against Laois on March 11.

Carr's side picked up their first League point of the campaign against Kildare a fortnight ago after previously losing to Louth.

After two games, the double All-Ireland winner reckons the Down players are "unbelievably keen" but have shown signs of "naivete" and "immaturity".

Against Louth and Kildare the side conceded 3-25, but tallied

1-27, which Carr believes should be sufficient to win games.

"We've got to stop the scores against being at 15 and 16 scores per game," he said. "We need to be getting that down to 10, 11 and 12 to give us any chance.

"In the first round of League games, we conceded 2-14 against Louth, which was the biggest score by anybody. But we were the second highest scorers with 1-13. In February, teams would be happy with scoring 1-13, but that tally didn't get us anything. That's not down to our defence, it's down to us as a team."

Carr and DJ Kane have opted to play the team's best player, Benny Coulter, in midfield rather than at full-forward. Under former boss Paddy O'Rourke, the Mayobridge ace was invariably used as a target man.

"It's hard to know where Benny's best position is," said Carr.

"In an ideal situation, we'd like to play him around the middle. But if you get a decent supply of the ball to Benny at full-forward – not a launch-and-hope supply – there are few defenders that'll cope with him. I'd like to play him middle of the field – but I'd like to have two of him! At the moment, we have to use him out the field for his mobility and where he can influence games."

Carr will be hoping the more established names in the panel will benefit from having an extended break during the McKenna Cup, but he is mindful of bringing some good form to the Championship table against Cavan on May 13.

"You'd be hoping those players would be fresher in the summer, but at the same time you don't want to be really struggling in the League as the Championship approaches. It's probably a no-win situation at the moment.

"We're really building foundations for 2008/09, if we're still about. It's not that I'm looking for excuses, but if we have a good year it will be a bonus."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 25, 2007, 04:19:50 PM
Betsy Gray Cup result
Warrenpoint 2-05 5-13 Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 26, 2007, 03:31:24 PM
Just to inform everyone that our mates in Loughinisland have once more coveted one of the most promising players in East Down. Teconnaught's 19 year old Niall Mulholland is currently training with the Blues. Mulholland played at centre half-forward on the Down Minor team of 2006 and was a hugely influential figure for Teconnaught last year in Division 3. There is no doubt that he will get his transfer as there are plenty of men in Loughinisland who would gladly supply an address for him. Any thoughts on this BlueIsland?
Ive also heard that Ardglass teenager Michael Magee is seeking a transfer to Downpatrick as is former Saul player Peter McKenna.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maximus Marillius on February 26, 2007, 03:57:36 PM
Can any of ye Down posters shed any light....Has Adrian Scullion been left off the county panel or has he opted out himself?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on February 26, 2007, 04:16:53 PM
could we start a bit of a movement on this board to speak out against the transfers going on within our county. we are ruininng football within our own county and those involved should be ashamed of themselves.

i played against both mickey magee and niall mulholland this year, both cracking players. especially magee, i thought he would have been worth a look for the county. small clubs rely on very good players such as magee and mulholland to carry them along because they dont have many good players. if this continues we will see clubs beginning to fold up, not good for the game in down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 26, 2007, 04:25:30 PM
seems to be more of an East-Down thing. Dont hear too many complaining in South Down about it, unless there are Caravans etc  involved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on February 26, 2007, 04:31:24 PM
dont tell too many aghaderg men that, over the past 8-10 years i can think of about 7 players they have lost to neighbouring clubs, all good players too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on February 26, 2007, 06:44:06 PM
Posted by: DownFanatic
QuoteJust to inform everyone that our mates in Loughinisland have once more coveted one of the most promising players in East Down. Teconnaught's 19 year old Niall Mulholland is currently training with the Blues. Mulholland played at centre half-forward on the Down Minor team of 2006 and was a hugely influential figure for Teconnaught last year in Division 3. There is no doubt that he will get his transfer as there are plenty of men in Loughinisland who would gladly supply an address for him. Any thoughts on this BlueIsland?
Ive also heard that Ardglass teenager Michael Magee is seeking a transfer to Downpatrick as is former Saul player Peter McKenna.

Are Loughinisland taking the piss?  How do they continue to get away with this.  I remember someone on the old board was able to name the number of 'acquisitions' they have had over the years.  This really is not on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 27, 2007, 09:41:58 AM

DOWN football boss Ross Carr has warned that some of the country's top teams are going to end up in Division Three of the NFL next season because of the unforgiving relegation system in place this year.
"The way things are going with the two first divisions at present, Division 3 is going to be harder than Division 2 next year," Carr warned.
"You can go from Division 1 to Division 3 very quickly and it's very tough. There are some big teams involved in a real dog-fight already.
"For us, if we can stay with parity on the pitch going into the last five or 10 minutes (of games), I think we can still turn the corner but whether it's this year or next year I just can't say," he added.
Under this year's NFL regulations, only the top four in Division 1A and 1B will avoid relegation.
The teams who finish fifth and sixth respectively in the premier groups will go to Division 2 next season and those who finish in the bottom two will drop straight down to Division 3.
With three of the four rounds played, Fermanagh are pointless at the bottom of Division 1A, with Dublin, Cork and Limerick joint fifth on two points.
Down are holding up the bottom of Division 1B with a single point, marginally below Armagh, Galway and Derry who are joint fifth with two points apiece.






Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on February 27, 2007, 10:56:56 AM
  Isn't big Magic playing for Loughinisland aswell?  He certainly isn't playing for Kilclief.  The Blues transfer record was well discussed on the old board, they have no shame whatsoever.

  If there has been a row in the camp at Ardglass Magee may well be looking to play for the RGU but I can't see it happening.

  As for McKenna, there is plenty I could say but I won't in case it sends our Saul poster into cardiac arrest (again)!

  Premier Reserve football starts this Sunday, I see there are Betsy Gray fixtures aswell.  Great to see the fixtures men taking dual clubs into account again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on February 27, 2007, 12:55:10 PM
McKenna is and probably always has been up his own A##e, he has a disruptive attitude that does no one any good. Although that said when he does have his head out he can be a very good player if given the space,he certainly does not like the ruff stuff especially the tactics Kilclief use Eg in your face, i recall him getting sent off by m curran in kilclief as he was being marked tight so he spat the dummy out, and as a result nearly got saul relegated that year. So No1 remember to remind your team mates this little fact.
As for the saul poster going ballistic what did mckenna do for saul last year when they needed him i do not think he will care.
I also hear another saul player is looking a transfer to DPK P Holland any truth?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on February 27, 2007, 05:03:30 PM
 -- Are Loughinisland taking the piss?  How do they continue to get away with this.  I remember someone on the old board was able to name the number of 'acquisitions' they have had over the years.  This really is not on.--

In reference to the list of 'acquisitions' on the old board it was put up by downfanatic and was complete nonsense. As I recall he listed around 30 players over thirty years. To give you and indication of how wrong (biased) the list was, Mark Brennan was named on the list as one of our 'acquisitions', even though he has played for us from under 12, was our club chairman for four years and his father played for Loughinisland before him. I would take issue with the vast majority on the list for many reasons. Downfanatic appears to have placed anyone who has played for Loughinisland in the past 30 years and who has not lived in the parish on this list and disregarded any other factor. Many listed come from a long family tradition of association with the club.

So before everyone jumps on the bandwagon at least get the facts right first. I am not blinded by my own association with the club and can concede there have been some contentious transfers in the last 30 years, but these numbers are not great and would compare with most clubs playing in division one/two.

Loughinisland does not scout for players. Some of this number, if not the majority, have approached Loughinisland and asked to play. Are we to tell them to bugger off. Would Teconnaught tell Dan Gordan we don't want ye if he came knocking on their door?

With regards, Magic Johnston, if he is playing for Loughinisland this year its news to me. As far as I am aware he has not trained with any football team. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 27, 2007, 05:55:44 PM
Dan Gordan has joined Teconnaught? Fair play to him. It's not often a senior county player drops down a Division never mind 2!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on February 28, 2007, 05:07:41 PM
How far behind the top three teams in the country is this current down squad and is there any light at the end of the tunnel? So many players have not progressed, in fact they seem to have gone backwards and the loss of possibly our best young talent to aussie rules makes for another disappointing summer. Is there any fight in this bunch of players are will they celebrate championship embarassment by getting full drunk and walking round the canal court thinking they are super stars. As a squad the appaer to have no leadre, a mcgeeney type character who can drive them on, inspire them, mould and shape them into winners as opposed to posing wannabes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 28, 2007, 08:34:35 PM
FG there is little point in comparing Down to the top three in the country, as, based on championship results over recent years, we would barely be in the top 20. We have to start from where we are and try and put together a squad which is capable of putting a bit of pride and self-belief back into the county. We don't have anyone in the mould of Kieran McGeeney at this stage, but we have some decent young players who may improve with inter-county experience. Where they go after matches is of very little interest to me. My only concern is that they put maximum effort into training, prepare properly before games and give us complete commitment on the day. The signs are reasonable so far under Ross and DJ, but it will be a long road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 01, 2007, 07:54:36 PM
Fior Gael- truly you are the gael .We know you.I think we have leaders in Liam Doyle or James Colgan -both know what it takes to captain AI winning teams and both are potential CHBs- the perfect position for a Captain.BTW who is our captain?I've been to most games this season and still don't know
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 02, 2007, 09:40:56 AM
I've heard Doyle could be a long term injury prospect.  I've heard he played while injured in the play offs last year against Annaclone and made a mess of his ankle.  Hopefully this isn't the case. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 02, 2007, 10:04:33 AM
Doyle is due a trip across the water to see about getting his ankle operated on, Walsh is due back probably for the next national league match from what i hear, Dee Rafferty is supposedly flyin in training and should be back pretty soon too, Ambrose should make the championship but i wouldnt be rushing him back, reconstructive surgery especially to the knee can be tricky business. also have it on good authority that Molloy wont be figuring this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 02, 2007, 10:47:10 AM
maybe im wrong and if i am i hold my hands up but only time will tell
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on March 02, 2007, 12:09:14 PM
i had my reservations but now i am convinced ross is a disaster!

playing the old card -  it is a long term plan.

long term plan- just to keep the job .

long term plan rubbish team building same basis of a team during por reign - this attitude filters down through to players- it is a joke who is he trying to fool.

absolute disaster but sure it is a long term plan .

fact 0 league wins.

fact championship outlook - bleak but sure it is only our first year rubbish.

don't be taken in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: full back on March 02, 2007, 12:15:21 PM
I hear they are still boozing gael :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on March 02, 2007, 12:17:05 PM
would you be surprised?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 02, 2007, 12:37:19 PM
oh

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fact!


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 02, 2007, 12:59:04 PM
Your post doesn't make pleasant reading 5times but at least its realistic.  Its taken me a long time to come to accept that Down really aren't in the top 15 counties.  We probably are just inside the top 20.  Any word of Martin Clarke coming home for hols in the summer or anthing. Him and Benny on the same team would do real damage.  One can only dream...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 02, 2007, 02:35:43 PM
Our championship record has been an embarrassment over the last eight years. We beat Tyrone at Casement in 1999, and it has been downhill rapidly since then. Most Down supporters are still agonising over the draw with Tyrone at Clones in 2003, but the sad truth is that it was a blip. We were hammered in the replay, and our form in the rest of that summer - just like every other recent summer - was at best patchy and at worst poor. Regardless of the management, we have not had enough players of inter-county standard to make an impact.

The minor and u21 teams of 2005, plus what is left from the minors of 1999, should give us something to build on at last, but Ross and DJ will need time. I would not rule us out against Cavan in May, but any win this summer would realistically be a bonus. Although the lop-sided nature of the Ulster championship draw means that a place in the final is by no means out of the question, a preliminary round exit, followed hopefully by some sort of open draw run, is equally likely.

The league is mainly for experimentation, and, if we do not beat Laois on Sunday week - a game which could go either way - relegation is on the cards. We have to take this in our stride and look to the summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 05, 2007, 09:02:59 AM
The Down Team spent 5+ hours on Sunday 'trekking' Slieve Donard. I mean am I missing the point here - what to hell is that all about?
Never mind yesterdays terrible weather conditions, we are rooted to the bottom of 1B with 1 pt from 3 games and the players are taken for a walk!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 05, 2007, 11:14:11 AM
Trekking sounds more like a bonding exercise.  I'd imagine it would have been good crack.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 05, 2007, 11:23:06 AM
Declan Mussens influence no doubt, mad for the trekkin in the mournes he is. been a passion of his for a long time and would be very experienced up there, has all the guide's badges and certs etc to lead groups into mournes. Id say it was some craic alright with a fair few fellas gettin stuck in shite etc..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 05, 2007, 11:28:06 AM
Great to see McCartan playing at the w/end , he had the knee strapped up so I'd say there is still work to be done on the injury but hopefully the whole season is not a write off .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 05, 2007, 12:04:25 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 05, 2007, 11:23:06 AM
Declan Mussens influence no doubt, mad for the trekkin in the mournes he is. been a passion of his for a long time and would be very experienced up there, has all the guide's badges and certs etc to lead groups into mournes. Id say it was some craic alright with a fair few fellas gettin stuck in shite etc..
That will really save us from Div 3!! That will be great crack! You lot really post alot of dung!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 05, 2007, 12:16:38 PM
Wind yer neck in will ye

is there anythign ye approve of, what do ye want them doing, FFS where is the harm in not having field training for a sunday or two. It does no harm to get away from the field and do something different like FFS i mean your goin on like its criminal what they are doing.Okay things are pretty grim at the minute and no-one is denying that but give them a frickin break and wait until the end of the season and then berate the management all ye want.
Some people are gonna bitch and snipe about management no matter what they do. Im sure this wasnt a jolly in the mournes by any stretch of the imagination, and if you have ever been up there trekkin ye would know how testin it can be physically - so do us all a favour and give over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 05, 2007, 12:18:44 PM
You got to get the morale right as well.  The players need to get on with each other before they are going to put their bodies on the line for each other.  I think it does no harm to get away from the training pitch and do something different for a session or too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 05, 2007, 02:50:47 PM
  Anybody got any results from yesterdays Premier Reserve fixtures?

 Tullylish beat Kilclief by 3 in a dire game.

 I heard Castlewellan beat Saval by 20 odd points, they had Greg McCartan and Ciaran McCabe playing I believe!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on March 05, 2007, 07:00:03 PM
agree with team bonding but with the weather conditions yesterday think its was a bit of a disaster the boys were that cold they cound'nt even talk to one another, when they were going up the mountain people were coming off it saying it was to dangerous.  The managers were not even there how is this team bonding -  always found a good night out the best team bonding
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on March 05, 2007, 08:36:07 PM
Ive been "up the mountain" four or fives times when i was at St. Colmans, although it was always very tough, ive some fond memories of it. It may have had more of a bonding effect if they had of camped out overnight and taken part in night-time navigation were u have to work together in smaller groups.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 06, 2007, 08:23:15 AM
Nights out together are good for team bonding, but at the same time id say most of them boys have had their fair share of team bonding nights out this last few years. Sounds like Mussen left them with maps/compasses at certain point and asked them to make their way unaided to a destination probably the other side of donard in groups or as a whole team while management watched from a vantage point, i very much doubt they were left to their own devices and someone as experienced as Mussen wouldnt be leavin them up the mountain lost like sheep in those conditions. Or maybe im wrong and they purposely left them to freeze their holes off on the side of the mountain to harden them, haha
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 06, 2007, 08:36:25 AM
quote author=Brick Tamlin link=topic=25.msg55037#msg55037 date=1173169395]
Nights out together are good for team bonding, but at the same time id say most of them boys have had their fair share of team bonding nights out this last few years. Sounds like Mussen left them with maps/compasses at certain point and asked them to make their way unaided to a destination probably the other side of donard in groups or as a whole team while management watched from a vantage point, i very much doubt they were left to their own devices and someone as experienced as Mussen wouldnt be leavin them up the mountain lost like sheep in those conditions. Or maybe im wrong and they purposely left them to freeze their holes off on the side of the mountain to harden them, haha
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Just to put you fully in the picture;
The vantage point you are on about is the lobby in the Burrendale Hotel, they met up afterwards with the team after they had showered and changed in St Patricks Pk and had dinner together![
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 06, 2007, 08:42:08 AM
thats what i thought, thats where he usually watches from.
and your point is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 06, 2007, 08:44:01 AM
My point was to put a know all tosser like you clear on the issue! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 06, 2007, 08:59:50 AM
thanks, now im clear on that, glad ye cleared that up for me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 06, 2007, 01:06:01 PM
No1 I've been away a while, what did Mr Bell say about the school of hurling which was to be set up in Kilclief all those years ago?

I've also heard he's been undermining the new hurling management already as he wants them out. Allegedly the hurlers had a training session the other saturday with Paudie Butler and they had next to no sloithars to train with and had to borrow some off Ballygalget even when the sloithars were requested over a month ago as the guy who requested them printed out the email he sent to Seamus Walsh, Kevin Bell and HJ Harper after getting a bit of grief from the players.

Rumour has it that former Tipp player Joe Hayes lives in and around Rostrevor and Mr Bell wants him to take control.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on March 06, 2007, 01:23:00 PM
Good to have you back Johnnycool, i read in the paper the county board are making the hurlers get a bus down to most of their matches rather than put them up for a night in a hotel. Goes to show all the talk about promoting hurling is just that TALK!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 06, 2007, 01:34:00 PM
Quote from: off the laces on March 06, 2007, 01:23:00 PM
Good to have you back Johnnycool, i read in the paper the county board are making the hurlers get a bus down to most of their matches rather than put them up for a night in a hotel. Goes to show all the talk about promoting hurling is just that TALK!!!!

I think that the management need to hold their hands up to the fiasco in Tullamore at the weekend in fairness. They didn't give Seamus Walsh enough time to organise hotel accommodation and only informed him of their intentions to travel on the saturday week prior to the game. Gerard Coulter was never good at organising anything and he really needs to get someone in to take on all this stuff. A lot of the times the players aren't even sure where the training is taking place until that afternoon which isn't good enough although it's slighly understandable at this time of year due to the unavailability of pitches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 06, 2007, 01:58:03 PM
   The county board bought a site from Kilclief to develop as centre for hurling about 7 years back.  They never developed the site and gave no money whatsoever towards development of any sort. 

  Mr Bell stated that the site was sold back to Kilclief.  It was not.   

  Despite repeated attempts by the Kilclief committee to discuss the possibility of buying the site back (so we could start to develop it in a manner we saw fit) The county board have not met with club reps and have made no effort to resolve the situation. 

  It may well be that Mr Bell was unaware of the situation and his county board colleagues forgot to inform him that the position had not changed one iota since he was last in the chair.

  On a completely unrelated note, the site at Kilclief that is owned by the county board would be worth an absolute fortune if a property developer wanted to buy it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 06, 2007, 02:12:18 PM
Where is this site in relation to your current pitch No 001?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 06, 2007, 02:15:42 PM
  Behind the changing rooms adjacent to our main pitch.  We have installed floodlights and have been using it as a traning pitch but we won't be doing anymore until we officially own it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 06, 2007, 02:26:33 PM
I didn't think that was full size, is it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 06, 2007, 03:29:40 PM
It is not at present but the potential is there for a re-laid full size pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on March 06, 2007, 03:51:51 PM
any more word of the transfer rumours?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 06, 2007, 06:09:51 PM
In regards to transfer rumours it is 100% true that Peter McKenna (Saul) and Paul Holland (Saul) are looking to move to Downpatrick. I cant see Michael Magee (Ardglass) going. He's got too many family connections associated with the Ardglass club. Young BJ McMenamin has requested a move to Bright from Downpatrick while Mark Stitt has returned to play for the Killough club this year.
I heard also at the weekend that Niall Mulholland is going to return to Teconnaught as the Annacloy club blocked his transfer as stupidly he put his home address (which is in Teconnaught) on the transfer form. I can also discount the rumour that Padraig Mageean (Darragh Cross) is going to Loughinisland. This came from the man himself.
On the managerial front I hear that Mark Donegan (formerly Annaclone manager) has joined forces with Tom Potter at Glasdrumman. Just one question: is Stephen Kearney still playing for Mitchels this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on March 06, 2007, 10:04:55 PM
cheers down fanatic. glad to hear magee and mulholland arent transfering, played against both this year and both are cracking players, especially magee, he'll be one for ross to look out for in the near future. i hate transfers between neighbouring clubs, but i can see why magee might want to, he'll achieve very little as a gaelic footballer with ardglass.

as regards kearney, i heard a rumour, and i cant confirm this, that he is transfering to saval, as is mark rooney from bosco. cant confirm this though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 07, 2007, 09:13:07 AM
Mark Donegan is assisting Dan Rice with Bryansford Minors this season and also will be coaching Bryansford Underage Ladies teams, that his daughter plays for. Not bad input for a former Castlewellan man!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 07, 2007, 11:18:53 AM
Anyone hear anything about the new Training and Logistics Van the Down Seniors have sponsored by Autoline Insurance? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 07, 2007, 12:04:48 PM
Surgery rules Doyle out for three months
07 March 2007


Down attacker Liam Doyle will be sidelined for up to three months after undergoing surgery on a troublesome ankle injury in England at the weekend.

It means that the Liatroim star will miss the remainder of the National League and the Mourne County's Ulster championship opener against Cavan at Kingspan Breffni Park on May 13.

Surgeons repaired a long-standing ankle ligament problem which Doyle sustained while playing for his club last October. The player was advised at the time that intensive rehabilitation would solve the problem, but the process proved slower than anticipated.

"A specialist in England told me that an operation was the only cure," he said.

"It was the quickest way to get back. It was painful when I ran, but when I strapped it up it wasn't too bad. After the plaster comes off, it will be all systems go to get the ankle built up."

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: overdabar on March 07, 2007, 12:05:18 PM
seen a new ford transit up at a sign writers getting the graphics done, asked them what they were using the van for and was told its just for moving the training equipment between places. very fancy van just for a few balls and cones.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 07, 2007, 12:14:41 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on March 07, 2007, 12:35:13 PM
Read the quote - success in the medium term

if ever there was a stay in the job quote that is it - the medium term

it just gets pathetic maybe we should just get the management to raise funds for down maybe that is where  they can excel .

running around and raising funds and doing all the innovative fundraising and using "key contacts"
is a joke and then playing for more time in the job by almost acknowledging failure this year is a disgrace.

this management is a joke and sadly i'll be proved right! put them in charge of fundraising and functions and any late night activities.

success in the medium term - what a bluff - down gaels see through it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 07, 2007, 12:55:10 PM
Come off it Gael , If Ross had of just inherited POR's team and made a few positional changes maybe some immediate success could of been achieved and by that I mean retain Div.1 status( but looking at the injuries to POR regulars I doubt it ) but himself and DJ do seem to be looking at the bigger picture , A lot of new faces have been tried and these lads don't become superstars over night . I think the team are going in the right direction even after two defeats and a draw , the defence looks a lot meaner and they seem to be working a lot harder to win the ball back than previous teams have done . Right enough there is alot of work to be done but picking holes in interviews with the manager isn't going to change a thing . Why not see the year out before putting the boot in ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on March 07, 2007, 07:31:53 PM
Why doesnt the Gael just put himself forward to manage the team ? Theres nothing wrong with a bit of constructive criticism but his criticism seems more "destructive". Get behind your team !!!!!!!! Miracles dont happen overnight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 07, 2007, 07:37:19 PM
On to more important matters, have arrangements been made for Matt Fitzpatrick to have a Cup of Tea on Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on March 07, 2007, 08:27:32 PM
Read the quote - success in the medium term

if ever there was a stay in the job quote that is it - the medium term

it just gets pathetic maybe we should just get the management to raise funds for down maybe that is where  they can excel .

running around and raising funds and doing all the innovative fundraising and using "key contacts"
is a joke and then playing for more time in the job by almost acknowledging failure this year is a disgrace.

this management is a joke and sadly i'll be proved right! put them in charge of fundraising and functions and any late night activities.

success in the medium term - what a bluff - down gaels see through it.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 08, 2007, 09:12:25 AM
QuoteOn to more important matters, have arrangements been made for Matt Fitzpatrick to have a Cup of Tea on Sunday

  Nice one Pangur!  I take it you are Angry Gael as referred to by the man himself in Matt's Chat yesterday! 

  "I don't like to take a packed lunch"    ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 08, 2007, 03:12:10 PM
Matt's Chat:

Not even a cup of tea
I HAVE been to many county grounds during my time and have always paid tribute to the hospitality given to the press, usually at half time. In the press box at Cusack Park on Sunday there was no such hospitality.
Well somebody should tell the Westmeath County Board that a cup of hot tea on a cold day does not cost a fortune.

What a feckin eejit.

I see J Crossey now has an email address, I wonder how he picks up his emails considering he didn't even own a mobile phone when he was managing the county team?
Title: Mayobridge
Post by: loughshore lad on March 12, 2007, 08:52:45 AM
I think there are a few Mayobridge lads on here - amallon and bridgegael. We played yous on Saturday and just wondering what sort of team yous had on? Mickey Linden must have left as manager - didnt see him at the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 12, 2007, 09:09:22 AM
We were missing our 3 county men and 4 county u21's and a couple of injuries.  It was still a good win for your lads.  Mickey stepped down as manager at the end of last season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: loughshore lad on March 12, 2007, 09:21:58 AM
Thanks amallon, just trying to get a gauge of where we are at. We were missing 4 players although only one of those is a county player - Tommy McGuigan. It was a fairly intense game for a challenge game with quite a few heavy hits, yous are quite physically strong and have some handy players. Any feedback form your men about how they found the game and rated Ardboe?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 12, 2007, 09:34:24 AM
loughshore lad - I'll be talking to some of boys at training tomorrow night and will see what they think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: loughshore lad on March 12, 2007, 09:41:04 AM
Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on March 12, 2007, 10:44:23 AM
league table....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Goats Do Shave on March 12, 2007, 02:10:16 PM
Is Coulter & Gordon dropped from the Down panel for indiscipline??

....Or is this lies?

I find it hard to believe, though it came from a Down man!  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 12, 2007, 10:40:20 PM
Yesterday was a grim experience at Newcastle, and would probably have to go down as among our five worst performances of the last 20 years. I was challenged on the way home by an equally depressed elderly Down fan to come up with something positive from the display, and I could not manage it.

However, having thought about it, I will name a team for the trip to Cross more in hope than expectation. I will stick to the present squad, with one exception, leave out all the u21s and assume that no one else is departing.

Goalkeeper is not a problem, as Connell, McVeigh and even McAllister will not let anyone down. The full back line is among our weakest, so, although he is probably too small to play there in the championship, Dan McCartan will have to be in the middle for this game. He showed plenty of leadership for Queen's and will get stuck in from the start. If they are both fit, McGuigan and Cole are the best bets for the corner.

Our half-back line had been doing OK in the league, until it collapsed in the last quarter against Laois. I would still give Murtagh, Rooney and Clarke another chance, but I think it's fairly clear that we need a seventh defender. The best man for the job is Alan Molloy, and he should come straight back into the team.

Our midfield was also wiped out on Sunday, so, if that happens again, there is not much point in leaving Benny up front. I would try him at midfield with McCrickard, who has not convinced in the past but was the only player who looked capable of regularly winning possession against Laois. Lynch would be a little unlucky to miss out, but he lacks the pace required at this level.

Carr must be centre forward, with Sexton and McGovern on either side.   Hughes is obviously one of our two full forwards, and, with some reservations, Gordon is the other. He has to come good eventually, and he scored an excellent goal in his last game in Cross.

Although Armagh are struggling as well, they will still be strong favourites against us. I can't remember beating them in a competitive match for over a decade, but, regardless of the result, we need a display which will put some pride back in our jersey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 13, 2007, 08:57:17 AM
  It's too depressing to talk about Sunday past.

  However, a lot of Down supporters on here seem to be convinced that Dan Gordon "has to come good".  Why?  For me he has been the most frustrating player to watch in the last 3 years. 

Moreso than Liam Doyle and that's saying something!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 13, 2007, 09:15:11 AM
couldnt agree more with you there, its actually nearly as depressing as Sligo and i mean that.or maybe its just me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 13, 2007, 11:58:14 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on March 05, 2007, 09:02:59 AM
The Down Team spent 5+ hours on Sunday 'trekking' Slieve Donard. I mean am I missing the point here - what to hell is that all about?
Never mind yesterdays terrible weather conditions, we are rooted to the bottom of 1B with 1 pt from 3 games and the players are taken for a walk!!!


And I got hammered last week for questioning why a trek in the mournes was the right thing for Down a week before a very important game - i have been vindicated at least!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 13, 2007, 12:00:11 PM
Well as long as you are right and the team are still shite, that's the main thing isn't it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 13, 2007, 12:03:54 PM
thats it, nail on the head spirit as usual. We are shite becasue they went up the mournes last weekend.Now why didnt i think of that one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on March 13, 2007, 03:14:58 PM
right lads what about a break from depressing ourselves thinking about past performances, wat about putting forward a few ideas as to how we could improve gaa within our county.

does anyone think it would be possible to run a hurling tournamnet simply for football clubs? i.e. just to try to get more people playing and maybe they would get an interest. i come from an all football club but i know there are a few boys with a good interest in hurling and have played a bit in the past. sounds crazy but would anyone here be in support of something like that? any other ideas how to improve?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 13, 2007, 04:13:47 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 13, 2007, 12:03:54 PM
thats it, nail on the head spirit as usual. We are shite becasue they went up the mournes last weekend.Now why didnt i think of that one.

Obviously between yourself brick, no1 and your wee circle of friends you know everything and nobody else is entitled to an opinion on this thread so with this being the case is it any wonder so many threads run on this site. I would be as concerned with any football issue in Down as any of you lot and if I should want to raise any issues it is well within my rights to do so on GAABOARD.COM,

Down are in dire straits at the moment and all questions need answered/debated concerning the team..........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 13, 2007, 09:59:03 PM
Spirit, there might be many problems in Down football at the moment, but let's be realistic, the lads going on a teambuilding exercise in the Mournes had about as much bearing on Sunday's result as what I ate for dinner on Saturday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 13, 2007, 10:37:27 PM
Rover
Your team is near enough but Mickey Walsh should be a contender. Mc Govern will just be back from suspension and Half-forward is Mickey's best position- remember he was MOM in our last championship win.The auld lad I go to the matches with thinks Colly Mc Crickard is not up to county standard so your choice of him as a midfielder is puzzling.As they can only play 15 , even against Armagh, are you saying Molloy should line out as corner-forward and play half-back ?Anyway, obviously the Donard experience didn't  pay the expected dividends but fair play to Mussen for creative thinking- if we keep doing the same old things we will get the same old results. And comparing things to last year...look at the teams we beat in the first 4 games ( apart from Kildare) and look closely at the Galway game where it all fell apart -POR was found wanting again when it was an important game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 13, 2007, 11:06:49 PM
DD, it sounds as though your own `Donard experience' involves the bar rather than the mountain.McCrickard deserves the nod on Sunday week because he made the effort against Laois when others did not. I also seem to remember that he did OK at midfield against Derry in the qualifiers of 2005. He is probably at best a fringe player, but I think we need him against Armagh. If Molloy is to be our seventh defender, it makes no difference what number he wears. Walsh played his first county game for eight months against Laois, and would be best coming off the bench in Cross. It would not be a bad place for Ross and DJ to get their first win, although I would settle for a decent performance. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 14, 2007, 01:18:00 AM
Two major areas of concern lads
1. The state of club football in Down, where standards have markedly declined over the last two seasons. This impacts on the Co.team.
2. If as seems likely at the moment,we make the drop too Div.3, we are looking at a 2 year odyssey back to the top flight, assuming that the slower pace and lower standards in this Div. does not inhibit our revival. I fear in this situation we can only slip further.
Now is the time for radical and effective action. A commission should be established immediately to review the state of football within the county. To procrastinate and delay is foolish, lets bite the bullet now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on March 14, 2007, 09:16:54 AM
Anybody at the hurling Board meeting last night? What happened about juvenile fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on March 14, 2007, 09:44:11 AM
The minor league will go ahead as listed but all others are being re-drawn. Minor league starts on 2nd April with 2 sections - Div 1 - 3 Ards clubs plus Liatroim, Ballela/Ballyvarley & Bredagh. Div 2 is made up of Carryduff, Kilclief, Warrenpoint, Shamrocks, Castlewellan and Clonduff.
There were some very weak u14 and u16 teams thrown in with the Ards and that will be changed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 14, 2007, 03:47:32 PM
Just on the topic of structures within our county I think one of the main issues is the availability of pitches. I hear there that last night the Down U-21's had to train on Banbridge Rugby ground while on Saturday they have to train at the Dub. There has to be at least one pitch in the county that has the quality of surface required for 2/3 nights a week training.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 14, 2007, 04:17:46 PM
The whole raft of issues such as the underperforming football and hurling teams, county training facilities, juvenile coaching and competition structures really needs reviewed desperately within the county but where do you start?

Firstly the county isn't sound financially as we still have a huge debt hanging over us so that is really going to impede any potential initiatives. We can all argue about the rights and wrongs of the marshes development, but it's happening and draining all the financial resources of the county with club Down trying its best to keep it going. Long and short term that debt needs cleared and the only way I can see that happening is to sell Newcastle to Tesco's or whoever.

Bryansford would obviously need rehoused somewhere close to their current location and then use the rest to develop at least half a dozen pitches in the Castlewellan area which can be used all year round by the county teams who at the minute are running around trying to sort pitches every night, not good for players, managers alike.

In the meantime the current coaching structures need looked at, are we coaching the wrong things? Are the competitions in place to suppliment the coaching? Are development squads the right approach, are we casting too many youngsters aside too early?

I'd like to see this type of review happening rather than blaming Ross Carr or whoever is doing their damned best with what they've got at their disposal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 14, 2007, 05:07:11 PM
Why do the Ford need to be looked after?  Can they not be told to get lost and buy their own pitch like most other clubs in the county have done?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 15, 2007, 08:23:32 AM
Quote from: amallon on March 14, 2007, 05:07:11 PM
Why do the Ford need to be looked after?  Can they not be told to get lost and buy their own pitch like most other clubs in the county have done?


AMallon, Bryansford would need looked after because the simple fact is they have a 38 year lease and in contractual terms this means they could sit there and not budge for 38 years even if the sale went through to a developer/retailer.
They also upkeep the pitch,clubhouse and ground with no assistance from the Down board and given the high levels of vandalism that occurs each weekend in St.Pat's Park this is a considerably tough job on its own. The pitch was relaid 2 years ago again at bryansfords expense.
So johnney has it right and they will need looked after and looked after well before any deal is considered.

So in simple terms your argument is a no-goer from the start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 15, 2007, 11:49:54 AM
Quote from: amallon on March 14, 2007, 05:07:11 PM
Why do the Ford need to be looked after?  Can they not be told to get lost and buy their own pitch like most other clubs in the county have done?

I think its only right that they are recompensed for any inconvenience they may incur plus if we are to make any inroads into the developement of gaelic games, the clubs in Newcastle and Downpatrick and any other large populated areas need all the help they can get. It's a damn sight easier to buy land in rural area's than it is in towns etc.

Title: What are the underlying reasons for financial mess?
Post by: thegael on March 15, 2007, 01:05:00 PM
What is needed is an economic report on why  there is such a financial mess in Down GAA.

A reputable group of financial consultants (without links to current or previous county board officers) should be employed to carry out an analysis of the whole situation and why and how this situation has been reached to avoid something similar in the future.

A get out of jail card by virtue of the sale of Newcastle is too short sighted.We need to know why we are in this mess and to avoid this ever happening again.

Selling the family silver is a very lazy way of planning for the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snatter on March 15, 2007, 01:36:51 PM
QuoteWhy do the Ford need to be looked after?  Can they not be told to get lost and buy their own pitch like most other clubs in the county have done?

There aren't any large enough sites availabe to buy on the open market in Newcastle.  Down District Council have (at long last) agreed to provide a gaelic pitch in Donard park, but there's no room there for any more. Bryansford has so many teams, its needs at least three pitches to cater for them all.

If they move out to an outlying village like Bryansford or Maghera, then the GAA have basically given up on Newcastle - it would turn into another Crossgar - large Catholic population, 100% soccer with no meaningful GAA presence.
As the rural population moves to towns, the GAA should be trying to strengthen its urban presence, not give it up.

The Bryansford club has spent 100's of thousands building its clubrooms and rebuilding the pitches, etc. I'm no economist, but at today's prices, their expenditure would be way way over the half million mark.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on March 15, 2007, 05:11:31 PM
- If they move out to an outlying village like Bryansford or Maghera, then the GAA have basically given up on Newcastle - it would turn into another Crossgar - large Catholic population, 100% soccer with no meaningful GAA presence.-

Very good points and very valid. You only have to look at Bredagh's plight to see the value of owning grounds within an urban area catchment. Bryansford's wishes should be paramount. They did not look for their own pitch because they wisely obtained a long lease on their present ground. It is not their fault the county have screwed up the finances.

However, your example of Crossgar is maybe not the most appropriate. A group from Crossgar approached the County board about ten years ago and made an application to start a GAA team. It was no half arsed attempt and was backed by monied men within the village (for eg The Bells) . The County board refused their application and that is why there is no GAA team in Crossgar.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on March 15, 2007, 05:37:23 PM
The point is we are in this situation.

why?

when this is answered we can then make sure that it doesn't happen again .

Forget about the merits of selling Newcastle , before we come to that issue the reasons why we are in this position should be sorted out.

It is a bit like lending a gambler money what will he do with it ? So before even coming to the issue of Newcastle we need the opinion of unbiased financial consultants / gurus call them what you like to see why we are here and to prevent it happening again , a big lump sum from a shopping multiple hides these issues.

It has to be done in a professional manner. It is not as if we are being run by entrepeneurs like Sean Quinn etc and we can trust their judgements, we cannt so we must have a proffesional appraisall of why we are in this position.

So before moving on we must know why we are in the position we are in now and what the county board has actually done to find out why we are in such a position . What has been done as opposed to just thinking about  the sale of Newcastle and a new facility.

The issue of giving up on urban areas like Newcastle is very grave indeed.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snatter on March 15, 2007, 09:30:57 PM
Blue island

QuoteA group from Crossgar approached the County board about ten years ago and made an application to start a GAA team. It was no half arsed attempt and was backed by monied men within the village (for eg The Bells) . The County board refused their application and that is why there is no GAA team in Crossgar.

I'm aware of that - a moronic mistake if you ask me. It was done after the euphoria of the all-irelands and the county board backed down in face of protests from Darragh Cross who were concerned about losing their catchment area.
well here we are, 15 years down the line and Darragh Cross haven't exactly set the GAA world alight in Crossgar have they.
Is there any chance people in crossgar would ever look at this again? The moastery grounds would make a great pitch, but I'nm sure the religious orders would rather sell to developers than the community. (as per Bredagh).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on March 16, 2007, 09:39:03 PM
thought i'd get the ball rolling on previews for the lower divisions lads.in division four i expect the bottom two places to be filled by aughlisnafin and ballykinlar respectively,with the 'fin taking bottom spot.dromara will i beleive lie just above them,however themselves and possibly ballykinlar could upset one or two teams along the way.as for the rest,st michaels would appear to be the best equipped in terms of personnel with the two sweeneys and declan lavery.they are a strong outfit who could well compete in div 3.so i believe it will be a strong league campaign for the magheralin men culminating in first place and promotion.second place could well be a real dogfight between aghaderg,st johns and drumaness.all are even enough,however i predict aghaderg to remain in the bottom tier along with st johns.in saying that,i wouldnt be surprised to see any of the three take second spot.
     the third division is extremely close this year.i don't see any teams that cant be beaten by any of the other teams,if you know what i mean,so i'm not even going to bother trying to predict places.drumgath will probably be favourites to go up,and deservedly so after their amazing performances in the intermediate championship last year.ardglass have been knocking on the door for a few years now and should be there or there abouts for the playoffs.tullylish have the experience also to keep consistent during what should be a long season for all squads.the two clubs who took the drop may find it a big wake up call this season,both having had a tough time last year.however it should be remembered that saul took points off some very strong established div 2 teams.glenn are likewise a strong unit with some very able footballers and will prove a match for most teams.as for the rest,where to begin.dundrum are a very organised squad with a serious asset in paul mccomiskey up front,meaning the scores will come,if they can hold teams at the back they too could take a play-off place.bredagh might possibly be considered in the chasing pack,but it must be remembered that they had a clear run at the league last year,resulting in an easier season and less chances to pick up injuries.this will be a more gruelling year,and so teams they dispatched of in the junior will not necessarily be despatched of this time round.i will put them in with teconnaught,bosco and mitchells as the mid table grouping,with one maybe breaking off to chase at the play-offs,while another could fall behind into the relegation battle.whichever of the teams does fall behind i expect will be joined by bright,who struggled last year in a less competitive division,and st pauls who may suffer from a lack of experience and the loss of their manager to tullylish.
     but as i have said,this division is wide open,noone will run away with it,and it should go to the wire.
        also lads,i've noticed abit of touchyness on the board,so if i've offended anybody or any club please accept my apologies as this was not my intention.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 16, 2007, 10:14:46 PM
How dare you accuse people of being touchy, check of you ;)

Some fine points you have made, think that Ardglass could win the division as they have come close a few times, there time may have come, but they have lost one of their major players I believe (name escapes me) Bredagh will scock a few teams and can push for a play off place. Dundrum will do well, but only if McComiskey plays well, they rely on him too much. Cant wair for it all to start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on March 17, 2007, 01:59:11 AM
dundrum may rely on young mccomiskey alot,but he is a man you can rely on,especially for scores.plus they have a few other players well capable of turning games.my only concern for them is there defence,i don't rate it high enough.i'm wary of tipping bredagh for big things,like i said they had an easy run last year,winning everything they were expected to(i.e the antrim hurlers).but this year they are in a highly competitive division with teams who are equally ambitious as themselves.however,as i alluded to in my previous post,one of the middle pack will break away and chase for the playoffs and i wouldnt rule the belfast men out of it.though i think they might take a year to sttle into competitive football after so long in the wilderness.
  the games between bosco,teconnaught,mitchells,bredagh,dundrum and st pauls will i imagine take on a heat close to championship football,and whoever rises to this will be the team to get to the play offs.i'll tell you this now lads,boys are talking about the closest div 2 in years,but div 3 is so tight that the teams tipped for the drop could be in the promotion playoffs and vice versa,every week will provide a drama.
   my main concern however is div 4.any views on it?who will be the next mayobridge?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 17, 2007, 10:48:34 AM
Bredagh are playing Ardglass in their first match and this may show where they will place in the division, time will tell. As for a new Mayobridge from Div 4, dont think so!!

Think St Michaels will win the 4th, too many good player not to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 17, 2007, 08:35:58 PM
no, cant even go for a drink FFS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 17, 2007, 10:48:14 PM
2007 Division 3 Preview

It may be four weeks too early but this is how I think Division 3 will pan out. I'm not too worried about doing the preview so early because in my opinion pre-season challenge game results usually do not accurately gauge League performances. Very rarely do teams have their full compliment available in February/March. Results in these games usually paint an unrealistic picture.
Having been involved with a team that has spent four out of the five previous seasons in Division 3 I hope to give an accurate prediction of what will occur this year. However, on the other hand I could be ridicously out of sync.


The Super Heavyweight – Drumgath
Last year Drumgath became the first team from Division 3 since Bosco in 1996 to lift the IFC. This was a remarkable achievement. To offset the pain of relegation and turn it in to an IFC triumph took a lot of courage and determination. This was Drumgath's first IFC silverware and despite their Ulster campaign falling flat it was a great achievement nonetheless.
2007 will be a totally different proposition on one front at least. They will enter the SFC for the first time in their history. The romantics would suggest a fairytale run but in reality Drumgath are going to make an early exit thus leaving Division 3 as their sole objective.
With Castlewellan man Harry Toner now at the helm for a second stint, people can expect Drumgath to be disciplined, extremely fit and hungry as hell. Toner knows the Drumgath setup inside out after bringing them to an IFC final and promotion in the not so distant past.

Key Men
Jackie Lynch has recently made it on to the County Senior panel and this can only serve to improve his game. He will be a big player at midfield this year. His brother and team captain Justin is a teak tough defender and his leadership qualities will be instrumental in guiding his team. Others to note are current county Senior goalkeeper Bernard Connell, defender Mark Connolly and the deadly forward quintet of Brannigan, Costello, McCabe, Downey and Hynds. With these hitmen on form Drumgath should breeze past any defence at this level.

Strengths and Weaknesses
Drumgath have got a good balance throughout their team. Their defence will give away little, their midfield will win a host of possession and their forwards are lethal. They know the tricky teams in the Division and how to counteract them by now. Arrogance may be their only downfall, however this is unlikely to be the case and Toner will have is men quietly confident from the off.

How will it end?
Drumgath will finish top of this Division with quite a bit to spare over their closest rivals. There might be two or three blips along the way but they will be rarely troubled. Division 2 in 2008 awaits.



The Heavyweights - Tullylish
Tullylish just aren't good enough for Division 2. That's a fact. That's why they always seem to flunk the promotion playoffs. They just arent of the standard required. However, year after year they always manage to finish top four in Division 3. That aim of promotion wasnt realised under previous manager Jim McAlinden but the new man at the helm knows a thing or two about it.
Kevin Blaney is the new chief in Laurencetown and after guiding St Pauls to promotion last year he will hope to do the same with his new found charges. Blaney is no stranger to climbing the football ladder. He was part of the Carryduff team of the early 90's that worked it's way up to Division 1. He will be hoping to use this experience to bring a team that is soaked in mediocrity to new found heights.

Key Men
If John McAreavey can overcome his long standing groin problems then Tullylish have won half the battle. McAreavey is a fantastic score getter and is an expert long range free taker. His playmaking abilities are also first class and if fit he can become a real star for Blaney's men this year.
The vastly experienced Ronan Barry will be at the heart of their defence as usual. Then there is a player who could take over his mantle in the years to come - Kevin McKiverghan. McKiverghan is pacey and although still only 18, he's hard as nails and should be used very effectively as a man marker this year.
Others who have stood out in previous years are the midfield duo of Peter Quinn and Davy Corbett. They will be backed up around the middle by Barry Priestly and Mickey Feeney. Up front the livewire Gary Chambers is sure to wreak havoc on many a defence while Chris McGovern will need to improve on last year if he is to be considered a potential targetman.

Strengths and Weaknesses
Tullylish are notoriously good starters. They usually rack up five to six wins on the trot at the season's beginning. This usually instils fear in other sides. It also means that if a blip is had mid season then the Lish will always be able to storm back at the end. Another strength is their scoring ratios. They find goals easily to come by and regularly they go to town on the weaker teams when the feeling takes them.
On the negative side they started to show last year that they are beatable on their home turf. The mid table sides will go to Laurencetown with reduced apprehension this year. Their defence is not as formidable as it used to be and if McAreavey is not fully fit they will struggle badly against the stronger sides.

How will it end?
As I said previous if Tullylish get promoted they will go straight back down. It's as simple as that. There is no doubt they will finish top five in Division 3 this year but they are way of the standard of the likes of Drumgath. Tullylish will be in the reckoning at the season's end but promotion will ultimately elude them.


The Heavyweights - Dundrum
Dundrum's heyday in the late 80's early 90's saw them establish themselves as one of the leading teams in Division 2. The team of that era was based on a super fit, super aggressive product. There was a good mixture of wily old heads and sprightly young things in that team. One of the architects of that success was Eddie Campbell. Campbell is a no nonsense fitness trainer who has been drafted in this year to aid the physical side of things. Thrown into the package is the Manager/Coach duo of John McShane and John Morgan. McShane was in charge for the 2005 JFC triumph while Morgan trained that team aswell as the Down All Ireland winning MFC team of the same year. Added to the mix is veteran Martin Coughlan. He will act as a selector/player and incidentally he is the only remaining person from that successful side of the golden era.

Key Men
Just like diabetics need their insulin, Dundrum need Kieran Walsh and Paul McComiskey. Both are vital cogs in the machinery of the Dundrum system. Walsh has been Senior team captain the past five years and he has led by example throughout. His presence at midfield and his general inspiration on the field of play are crucial.
Despite still being only 18 Paul McComiskey has achieved a lot. A Sigerson Cup, an All Ireland MFC, a Down JFC and a Colleges All Star to name a few. To put it bluntly he is worth on average six points a game from play. This doesnt even include his assist total which would really run to the same number. His contribution is immense and eventhough he can't play week in week out due to county commitments, when he returns to club action his presence brings a buzz to team morale.
Apart from the star duo Dundrum will be looking to Philip Shields, John Hurley and former county Minor Marc Cunningham to really up their game in defence to create a strong base. In the forward department current county Minor Declan Kavanagh will be looking to impress with the veteran Martin Coughlan, Cormac Venney and young Paul Rooney also hoping to be amongst the biggest contributors.

Strengths and Weaknesses
Dundrum are always slow out of the traps. This usually has disastrous consequences come the seasons end. It means that usually the Duns have little to play for and mid table mediocrity prevails. They really do need to start well if they want be with the big boys come September. Another area that Dundrum need to address is their defence. Although they concede few goals they are too easily penetrated at times and look edgy when faced with prospect of a direct running team.
On the plus side Paul McComiskey and Declan Kavanagh are shaping up to be two class acts and with the experience of Martin Coughlan and Kieran Walsh in tight match situations Dundrum might just be able to squeeze those close matches which in previous years they have failed to do.
Again detractors have pointed to the youthful nature of the composition of the squad. However, a closer analysis states otherwise. Full back Martin Melville may only be 20 but this is his fifth year playing Seniors. Again just look at 22 year old Cormac Venney. He is now beginning his eighth campaign in a Dundrum shirt.

How will it end?
In all truthfullness Glenn and Saul are a lot weaker than Darragh Cross and Banbridge. This will give Dundrum the confidence that the places needed to improve on from last year's finish can be attained. If the good start is there and the young guns can start to show a lot more responsibility then the playoffs can be reached. There is no reason why a team of experienced teenagers cant guide a team to the top end of the table.



The Heavyweights - Ardglass
Ardglass hold a dismal record over the past three years. They have made the playoffs three times in a row but have failed to secure one promotion. Unlike Tullylish who have a similar promotion history, Ardglass may have enough of what it takes to stay in Division 2 if they ever reached it. However, there is one issue which is holding them back. It not only permeates through their Senior ranks but it is becoming increasingly evident through their Juvenile setup. It is ill-discipline and it is destroying any promotion aspirations that Paul O'Shea's side may garner.
The ill-discipline may come from the Soccer scene that is prevalent in the village but it is becoming increasingly evident that it is holding back Ardglass. In previous years the men from the fishing village have been on the cusp of many a glory only for it to be snatched away from them by a punch or a foul tirade directed at a referee.
If by a miracle Ardglass could hold their temper and channel it in to more productive pastures then surely they would evolve in to a credible force that could easily cut it in Division 2.

Key Men
Chris 'Rat' Deegans is the link man. Everything goes through him. Mick Magee is his protege in a way and if he declines a move to the RGU then Ardglass are in business. Stephen Deegans and James Telford rule the roost in defence while Liam Mullan and Neil Teggart have a knack of racking up big scores in the attack.

Strengths and Weaknesses
Any team that travels to Ardtole will always be a bit apprehensive. Ardglass are a tough team. They are a side laced with hard men. When used properly this can be a major plus. However, when hardness transforms into dirtiness then Ardglass are going to have a problem. The Ardtole factor will always be there but cant always be relied on.
Ardglass probably suffer their biggest negative when they start arguing amongst themselves on the pitch. This disturbs team unity and gives cohesion a kick in the bollocks. It is easily remedied and if it is erased Paul O'Shea can look forward with confidence.

How will it end?
Just like a GCSE Mathematics trend graph, Ardglass will see an upturn in success when their red card total starts to decline. It is a simple as that. The players are there and the talent in reserve is there. They just need a stricter line in discipline and then the jigsaw will start to come together. This has basically been the same set of players for the past four years and it is about time they delivered a promotion. One they are more than capable of getting.


The Heavyweights - Bredagh
Over the past few years Bredagh have transformed themselves into a vibrant force. Their biggest breakthrough came last year when they collected the JFC. Aligned to this was their first promotion in seven years as they returned to Division 3 as champions of Division 4. The club itself is progressing magnificently. It is currently the biggest in Down and caters for a massive playing base.
Yet it is their Senior football team that is their shop window. Despite courting controversy last year with the 'signings' of Jody Gormley and Enda Gormley, Bredagh conspired to produce a memorable year and for the first time in quite a while let their football do the talking. They will enter Division 3 undaunted and with a big squad of players they can be very confident of a good year.
At the helm this year is Paddy Heaney. A man who knows the side well. It will be interesting to see whether he will be barking instructions from the sideline or the pitch.

Key Men
Last year Derry man Enda Gormley was the toast of the Ravenhill Road. His scoring exploits propelled Bredagh to new levels. Although the full backs of Division 3 may give him a greater test it is likely that he will be able to replicate his form. Others in the forward unit that will be expected to shine will be Henry Deazley, Conor Owens and Raymond Gormley. One player that Bredagh could really do with is Johnny Cleary. The Irish League soccer player is the type of classy forward that would revel in Division 3.
Further back it will be Paul Bradley, Mark Diamond and Rory McCaughey who will be expected to shore up the defence. All three are very capable players as is team captain Ollie McWilliams who is usually placed at corner back. With Jody Gormley not expected to play this year and Paddy Heaney being manager it remains to be seen who will take up the midfield berths.

Strengths and Weaknesses
Bredagh are on a roll and they will bring their new found confidence to the table when the League starts. They are an exuberant experienced side who will relish the challenge. They have a good defence and with Cleary on board the attack looks threatening. Cherryvale is also another one of their strong points. It is a hard place to win in and the South Down teams wont fancy the long jaunt there.
Bredagh arent the youngest of teams about and there seems to be a distinct lack of quality 18/19 year olds coming through. And in quality I mean real county standard players. A question hangs over the staying power of some of the older players in what will be a much longer and more gruelling season than Division 4 last year.

How will it end?
With a lot of hard work and a little bit of luck, Bredagh can reach the playoffs. They have momentum and being the underdogs they can definitely surprise the bigger teams. There are no expectations being placed on them and this can only work to their advantage. Division 2 may be a utopian pipe dream this year but stranger things have happened.

The Middleweights - Saul
For the past three years Saul have been plying their trade in Division 2. To stay there for so long with what they had to work with was a remarkable feat. Their achievement gave hope to the smaller clubs and Saul can be very proud of what they done. However, their relegation last year proved to be third time unlucky despite them surviving the drop for the previous two years.
Clubman Joe Ritchie is in charge now and he will more than likely deliver a very organised team. He has inherited a very similar team to the one that achieved promotion four years ago. Whether he can get them functioning again as credible promotion chasers remains to be seen. Nonetheless Saul will probably provide another rollercoaster season.

Key Men
Having lost Peter McKenna to the RGU, Saul have lost a potential star. McKenna may have only played intermittently over the past couple of seasons and may have a maverick style attitude but if persevered with he really could have made an impact. However, Saul have to move on and they will look to Michael Vint and Philip Traynor to lead the attack. They will build their midfield around Davy McKinley while in defence Callum Laverty is an excellent player in the making. Their standout contributor is Adam King. Usually positioned at full back King is an inspirational leader and there wont be too many full forwards looking forward to the prospect of being marked by him.

Strengths and Weaknesses
Coming down from Division 2 to 3 is not an easy prospect. In recent years only Darragh Cross have managed to master it. Saul are going to struggle to return to the second tier with the squad at their disposal. They lack a playmaker. JP Burke is not the player he once was and Conor O'Neill is not yet ready or able enough to make the step up. Scoring is also a major doubt. Traynor is very injury prone and Vint cant be expected to carry the torch on his own. Also, Lee Magee needs to be playing on a more regular basis as he can contribute a lot when on form.
On the plus side Saul can take a bit of confidence in the fact that they did grab themselves some excellent scalps in Division 2 including sides like Atticall and the RGU. It will take performances of this standard week in week out to help the team progress. Saul can be capable of a high standard but they will need to find a few rough diamonds in the process.

How will it end?
Saul may need this year to adjust in Division 3 and then make a real go of it in 2008. The majority of teams will hold no fear for Saul and they will be the team that other clubs in the pack will really raise their game for. If Saul do somehow make the playoffs then their experience may carry them through. Honestly though a year in transition will help them a lot more than going straight back up at the first ask.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 17, 2007, 10:50:31 PM
The Middleweights - Glenn
Glenn are probably the most unpredictable team in Down at the moment. In the past four years they have sampled football in Divisions 4, 3 and 2. They were embarrassingly out of their depth in Division 2 last year. Their defence was very porous while their attack just couldnt get to grips with the higher level of play. Incidentally the last time Glenn fell in to Division 3 they got relegated down to Division 4 but then unbelievably gained two successive promotions to end up in Division 2 again. They really dont do things by the book.

Key Men
Seamus McGuinness is Glenn's heart and soul. He is a true warrior for them and his attitude seems to rub off on his fellow players. He led them to their JFC triumph a few years back and he can still be relied on today. He will have current County Senior and 1999 All Ireland MFC winner Colm Murtagh as backup in a defence that was woefully exposed last year. Others that will need to improve their game in defence are Ollie Conlon and Stephen Clarke. Mark Lennon and John Mackin are likely to be the midfield pairing while up front the Bagnall brothers will provide the flair while Damien O'Hare should prove to be their top scorer.

Strengths and Weaknesses
Glenn are easy pickings on their travels. They really don't play well away from home. They also hardly ever have the same team out two weeks in a row. Their home form is good when they are on a run and injury free as they were back in 2005.
On the plus side they have scoring forwards who have proved their worth at this level. Yet it is their defence that takes a lot of convincing and young goalkeeper Michael Doran will be a busy man this year. Also a lot depends on the positioning of Colm Murtagh. Utilised last year n midfield he needs to be played further back to stem the flow of goals that Glenn seem to concede only too often.

How will it end?
Glenn are going to be too strong for the bottom pack but not strong enough for the top pack. Like Saul they are going to need time to re-group and get their bandwagon up and running again. They may threaten the playoffs on occasion but they don't have the class or the x-factor to return to Division 2.


The Middleweights - Teconnaught
Last year's JFC Final defeat to Bredagh zapped the soul out of the Teconnaught setup. This year they will face another tough season in Division 3 aligned with the fact that they aren't in the JFC anymore. They will have to pick themselves up again and with a young team they could take a few by surprise this year. They started well last year before crumbling when the pressure was on. A more consistent approach is needed if they are to move up the pecking order.

Key Men
The veteran Sammy Madine has a few years left in him yet and he will have the task of re-focusing his charges. One player who if re-focused, could bring a lot to the cause is Niall Mulholland. Back in the fold after an aborted transfer to Loughinisland, Mulholland could be the link man that Teconnaught so need. David McGreevy will likely be used in the half back line again and he is a player who could cut it at a much higher level. Eoin Flanagan and Damien Mulholland are likely to be the grinders this year again but the likes of Conor Brennan and Dominic Mulholland really need to improve if the forwards are going to impress.

Strengths and Weaknesses
Teconnaught have a great team spirit and the grit and heart that comes with this always shines through in a Teconnaught team. They also have a big panel and there is a host of young and willing players ready to step in when required.
Teconnaught's downfall is that they are very basic when they come to the technical side of the game. They can be predictable and sometimes lack that spark that could bring them on to greater things.

How will it end?
Teconnaught will never give you an easy game. They can be a hard nut to crack but in the end the nut usually cracks. A high mid table finish would be a good achievement for them but there is always something there lurking in the background that they can achieve a lot more.



The Middleweights - Bosco
Where do you start with the Bosco? A club that produced an all conquering Down MFC winning team of 2002 and yet they face 2007 with a struggle in the 3rd tier and a journey into the JFC. Looking at the situation there are only five or six of that Minor team still playing. The rest were probably caught by the town team bug. Unfortunately there aren't many older players there to guide the young impressionables. 2007 should prove interesting fare for the Newry men.

Key Men
Mark Rooney should be the man to lead Bosco in to the future He was part of the Minor team of 2002 and has represented the county at various stages aswell as picking up a Sigerson medal with Queens a few weeks ago. The 2002 contemporaries that still remain include the classy Francie Downey and the workhorse that is Rory Mulvaney. This is a very young Bosco team and the likes of Colleges All Star Ciaran Murtagh and former Down Minor Ryan Lynch will surely contribute immensely to the cause. Up front the Larkin brothers are badly missed and much will depend upon Neil Tumelty and Kyle Brennan delivering the goods. 2006 Player of the Year Collie Keenan may be an interesting option in midfield.

Strengths and Weaknesses
Bosco know deep down that there is talent within their club. It's just going to be hard to get it back up and running again. If players return to the fold and integrate accordingly then there is a definite JFC in this team. The League can wait. A JFC win would really boost the club and would set the marker for years to come. That is Bosco's strength. The knowledge that the players are there.
On the minus side if the Bosco are forced to field last year's selection then lower mid table looks likely as a finishing position. They don't have a big panel and this has to change.

How will it end?
A possible JFC could be lifted in October with Division 3 status maintained. Bosco need time and they are going to have to build from the ground up.

The Lightweights - Bright
A new pitch, a new dawn? Maybe not. In truth Bright done well to stay up last year. However, that elusive JFC wasnt to be and this I suspect is what they will be striving for again this year. The Championship has always meant more to Bright than the League and it will probably be the same this year.
Kyran Smyth is still in charge and he seems to have his pack very fit. However, Bright's most lethal of weapons is gone. Their old pitch in Killough was probably the smallest in Ireland. Many a good team has floundered on it's rocks. Bright knew how to play it and knew how to make good teams look inadequate on it. It is no more and their new expansive pitch in Ballynoe may take a while to get adjusted to.

Key Men
Mark Stitt is back in the fold after a year's sabbatical. Him and Donal McCartan form a strong midfield with the two Stranney brothers completing the unit around the middle. Apart from these four Bright's remaining player's are something of a hybrid. Their soccer skills usually come in to play more on the Gaelic field than their actual footballing skills. This provides for a messy style of play that is more accustomed to Division 4. Despite this the likes of Matthew Sharvin and Freddie O'Connor have shown promise.

Strengths and Weaknesses
As mentioned above Bright's main strength was their old pitch. It's gone now. It's loss is akin of that of the B Specials to the Protestant community in South Armagh. Bright will find it hard to adjust and the absence of their saving grace may see them struggle for the first time at home in many years.
On the plus side the majority of Bright players have a burning desire to pick up a JFC. Some of them are in the Autumn of their careers and their determination could rub off on the others and carry through to the League programme.

How will it end?
Looks likely to be a battle against relegation but Bright have fighting qualities like they showed last year and they should just have enough in the tank to avoid the drop. They should also be Bosco's main challengers for the JFC.

The Lightweights - St Pauls
2007 marks St Pauls first ever foray in to Division 3. The North Down club have made a big improvement over the past 2/3 years and their efforts have been rewarded as Kevin Blaney brought them promotion in his first year in charge. This year Saval man Gerry Quinn is in charge and people can expect a well drilled and motivated bunch of players.
St Pauls don't have the personnel or the footballing class to be regarded as a serious threat in the promotion stakes and it is more than likely that they will find themselves near the bottom of the table. However, MacNamee Park is literally a fortress and St Pauls can expect a victory or four there when East Down derbies take place.

Key Men
Brian McIllroy is a very committed clubman and is a wiry competitor at midfield. Even when the chips are down McIllroy keeps on plugging away. His leadership will be vital in the year ahead. Along with him Anto Davey is the mainstay of the defence while Eunan Donnelly and Conor McIllroy will be looked upon to create and convert the scoring chances.

Strengths and Weaknesses
St Pauls are entering the unknown and like Bredagh there is no pressure on them to do well. This lack of pressure should let St Pauls play an open game and with many derbies on the horizon they can easily pick up victories at their MacNamee Park ground.
On the other side of the coin it just seems that St Pauls have not nearly enough talent in their ranks to survive. They have a strongish spine but they will be cruelly exposed on the flanks. They have never been big hitters, even in Division 4, and this will only serve to inflict more pressure on what is expected to be an already overworked defence.

How will it end?
St Pauls have a slim chance of staying up. Their survival depends on their ability to beat the teams closest to them home and away. This they are capable of but the bigger teams are going to have a field day against them and in reality Drumgath's final points tally will probably decide their fate. Ie - 30% rule.

The Lightweights - Mitchels
Long gone are the days when Mitchels could have been considered a strong Division 3 side. Transfers and retirements have ravaged them over the years and this year they could pay the ultimate price - relegation. Their Senior team seems stagnant with little impetus to push forward. Their star performer is a bit like an absentee landlord - never there when you need him. Like Bosco, Mitchels need an injection of something to get them back on track. What that is I dont know.

Key Men
Stephen Kearney is a sublime talent who has pulled on the Down jersey at various levels in the past. Unfortunately though Mitchels rarely sample his delights too often and this affects them big style. The mantle is usually left to Killian and Ciaran McLogan at the back to keep things together. Young Barry McAteer is also a promising player and may be used at midfield with Shane Cooney this year. Up front Mitchels have nothing to offer without Kearney. But again if someone is prepared to step out of the dark and take the playmakers role then Mitchels may have a chance.

Strengths and Weaknesses
Mitchels have one trick up their sleeve this year. That is the element of surprise. Mitchels have been touted as relegation candidates but they could turn things around quite easily if they get Kearney back in and grab a few wins at the start of the year.
Simply, where do you begin with weaknesse.?

How will it end?
A berth in Division 4 in 2008 is most likely
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 18, 2007, 12:31:20 AM
Congratulations to DownFanatic on the most comprehensive survey of division three which is probably capable of being produced. It is well worth reading, and Drumgath are worthy favourites for the title, but a couple of the Bredagh references are well off-beam. Why should there be anything controversial about Enda Gormley and Jody Gormley playing for Bredagh ? They both live within walking distance of the team's pitch and they both gave more than 15 seasons at senior level to home clubs which are more than 40 miles away. If they have a year or two left, why should they not play for the club on their doorstep ? Johnny Cleary is capable of playing  Gaelic football at a higher level than Bredagh, but most people expect to see him involved in Irish League soccer rather than Down division three in 2007. It will be a big surprise if Drumgath don't go up as champions, but there are other division three clubs with potential county players,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 18, 2007, 12:48:37 AM
Mourne Rover, These kinda previews are what happens when you cannot access your overdraft anymore and your next installment of your student loan does not arrive til the end of April. Otherwise it was a productive St PatricksDay. By the way, I agree with you about the two Gormley's and Bredagh. I only put that in because other people view it as controverisal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 18, 2007, 01:54:21 PM
Downfanatic
You should get money for this- excellent work.Also agree with your assessments- will be a competetive division which must be good for Down football - will keep the Division 1 and 2 teams on their games as it will not be easy to return if you slide down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 18, 2007, 06:25:41 PM
DownFanatic

excellant review of Div 3, cant wait until it all kicks off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on March 19, 2007, 11:24:02 AM
good man down fanatic, glad to see someone taking a bit of interest in the lower leagues. don't know what about dundrum as heaveyweights though!!!! and another thing, ardglass isnt full of hard men, they try to intimidate but they arent very good at it. pure dirt thats all.l
Title: FAO The Wobbler
Post by: No1 on March 21, 2007, 03:59:57 PM
  I hope the new job isn't going to prevent a Div 2 preview? 

  Our boys require a wee bit of extra motivation at the minute and you writing us off would be just perfect.

  Besides, who gives a shite about the lower divisions?  :P
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 22, 2007, 03:07:39 PM
Message from Seán Óg to all the clubs in Down.


Monday the 2nd of April will see the draws for the 2007 Down Championships take place in the Canal Court Hotel Newry at 6.30 pm for 7.00 pm.

The draws will be covered live on 5FM Radio and to this end we are inviting from each Club, Chairman/Secretary, Senior Team Manager and a Senior Team PLAYER/CAPTAIN.

A finger buffet will also be served and there will be a large attendance from our sponsors in all competitions.

This is a really good opportunity to promote our Championships for the year ahead and I would ask Clubs to please give it your full support.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on March 22, 2007, 03:59:19 PM
What is the radio frequency for 5FM radio ??
Title: Re: FAO The Wobbler
Post by: Lecale2 on March 22, 2007, 04:00:11 PM
Quote from: No1 on March 21, 2007, 03:59:57 PM
  I hope the new job isn't going to prevent a Div 2 preview? 

  Our boys require a wee bit of extra motivation at the minute and you writing us off would be just perfect.

  Besides, who gives a shite about the lower divisions?  :P
You were nearly there yourselves No1, only for a couple of good displays in the play offs! I it take someone will be in the Canal Court taking notes and posting on here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 23, 2007, 11:23:28 AM
Down U 21 football

1. M McAlister
2. L Howard
3. G McArdle
4. J McCarthy
5. S Parr
6. E McConville
7. K McKernan
8. J Colgan
9. J Ireland
10. B McArdle
11. J Boyle
12. E McGovern
13. C Brannigan
14. S Sands
15. P McComiskey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on March 23, 2007, 12:31:18 PM
Lecale, trying to fish myself the player/captain invite to that so if i am there, will certainly take a list of the draws and post them on here as soon as i get back in front of the pc!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 23, 2007, 12:37:50 PM
Good man St Paul's

Down v Waterford: Graham Clarke; L Clarke, S Murray, F Conway; M Ennis, P Hughes, Gabriel Clarke; A Dynes, B McGourty; K Courtney, G Johnston, D Flynn; P Coulter, E Trainor, E Clarke.

One change from last week with Aaron Dynes in at mid field. Let's hope for another snow strorm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 23, 2007, 12:49:02 PM
He retired last year for a while then came back for the later stages of the league. I'm not sure what he's at this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on March 23, 2007, 03:15:09 PM
Its hard to understand how Packie Downey cant get a starting place on the u-21 team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 26, 2007, 12:33:27 PM
Where have the goals gone from this Down team ? We were good for 1 or 2 a game nearly under POR and I think we have one from a penalty so far this year . Does anyone know how Rafferty , Doyle , Rodgers , McCartan's injuries are doing ? I see Alan Molloy wasn't named in the programe yesterday ,  I heard his knees are gone anyone know the score here ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 26, 2007, 01:53:59 PM
Can anyone answer this; why Packie Downey couldnt start for the U21's on Saturday, yet has been called up with J.Boyle, J.Colgan and K.McKernan to the Senior Panel. Only these 4 players were asked although I would have thought Luke Howard was in contention -
Very surprised though that Joe Ireland didnt hoodwink his way on as well!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 26, 2007, 03:25:44 PM
Only answer to that i can think of is that its two different management set-ups, differing opinions on different players etc, but admittedly it is strange to see that happen. Id say the four U21s will get some game time in the seniors two remaining league fixtures and 1 or 2 may well be in contecntion come championship time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 26, 2007, 03:41:25 PM
I would have McKernan and Boyle on the Senior panel. I wouldnt have Downey and Colgan any where near it. Beleive it or not I am confident of our Championship chances. I think Ross and DJ are doing the right thing in experimenting. So what if we are playing in Division 3 next year. If we are good enough we will spring back up again in to Div 2.
Our performances can only improve and I think with our strongest side out we will peak at the right time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on March 26, 2007, 04:34:51 PM
- I see Alan Molloy wasn't named in the programe yesterday ,  I heard his knees are gone anyone know the score here ?-

His knees are not gone, but they are in danger of going. He has pulled out of the county panel but intends to play for Loughinisland. He played in a challenge match on Sunday, so they have not as yet become so unstable that he cannot play.

When he was training for Down, his knees were flairing up quite badly after every training session and he did not feel he could train at the intensity you need to at county level. Ross has left the door open and has asked him to return in the future if his knee improves. At the time of writing that is unlikely, but sometimes these injuries clear up quicker than you think.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on March 27, 2007, 09:35:02 AM
East Down Reserve League Fixtures 2007
East Down Reserve Football League- Dé Domhnaigh 15 Aibrean 2007
________________________________________

Dun Droma
Dundrum    -v-    Breadach
Bredagh    


Caisleán A' Mhuilinn
Castlewellan    -v-    Cros Darach
Darragh Cross    


Ath Bhriain
Bryansford    -v-    Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff    


Droim an Easa
Drumaness    -v-    Breachtan
Bright    


Liatroma
Liatroim    -v-    Tí Chonnachta
Teconnaught    


Naomh Pól
St Paul's    -v-    Cill Cua
Kilcoo    


Naomh Eoin
St John's    -v-    Ard Ghlais
Ardglass    


________________________________________

East Down Reserve Football League- Dé Domhnaigh 22 Aibrean 2007
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Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff    -v-    Droim an Easa
Drumaness    


Breachtan
Bright    -v-    Liatroma
Liatroim    


Breadach
Bredagh    -v-    Naomh Eoin
St John's    


Ard Ghlais
Ardglass    -v-    Caisleán A' Mhuilinn
Castlewellan    


Tí Chonnachta
Teconnaught    -v-    Naomh Pól
St Paul's    


Cill Cua
Kilcoo    -v-    Dun Droma
Dundrum    


Cros Darach
Darragh Cross    -v-    Ath Bhriain
Bryansford    


________________________________________

East Down Reserve Football League- Dé Domhnaigh 29 Aibrean 2007
________________________________________

Droim an Easa
Drumaness    -v-    Ath Bhriain
Bryansford    


Liatroma
Liatroim    -v-    Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff    


Naomh Pól
St Paul's    -v-    Breachtan
Bright    


Dun Droma
Dundrum    -v-    Tí Chonnachta
Teconnaught    


Naomh Eoin
St John's    -v-    Cill Cua
Kilcoo    


Caisleán A' Mhuilinn
Castlewellan    -v-    Breadach
Bredagh    


Ard Ghlais
Ardglass    -v-    Cros Darach
Darragh Cross    


________________________________________

East Down Reserve Football League- Dé Domhnaigh 6 Bealtaine 2007
________________________________________

Ath Bhriain
Bryansford    -v-    Liatroma
Liatroim    


Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff    -v-    Naomh Pól
St Paul's    


Breachtan
Bright    -v-    Dun Droma
Dundrum    


Tí Chonnachta
Teconnaught    -v-    Naomh Eoin
St John's    


Cill Cua
Kilcoo    -v-    Caisleán A' Mhuilinn
Castlewellan    


Breadach
Bredagh    -v-    Ard Ghlais
Ardglass    


Cros Darach
Darragh Cross    -v-    Droim an Easa
Drumaness    


________________________________________

East Down Reserve Football League- Dé Domhnaigh 20 Bealtaine 2007
________________________________________

Ard Ghlais
Ardglass    -v-    Cill Cua
Kilcoo    


Breadach
Bredagh    -v-    Cros Darach
Darragh Cross    


Liatroma
Liatroim    -v-    Droim an Easa
Drumaness    


Naomh Pól
St Paul's    -v-    Ath Bhriain
Bryansford    


Dun Droma
Dundrum    -v-    Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff    


Naomh Eoin
St John's    -v-    Breachtan
Bright    


Caisleán A' Mhuilinn
Castlewellan    -v-    Tí Chonnachta
Teconnaught    


________________________________________

East Down Reserve Football League- Dé Domhnaigh 3 Meitheamh 2007
________________________________________

Ath Bhriain
Bryansford    -v-    Dun Droma
Dundrum    


Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff    -v-    Naomh Eoin
St John's    


Tí Chonnachta
Teconnaught    -v-    Ard Ghlais
Ardglass    


Cill Cua
Kilcoo    -v-    Breadach
Bredagh    


Cros Darach
Darragh Cross    -v-    Liatroma
Liatroim    


Droim an Easa
Drumaness    -v-    Naomh Pól
St Paul's    


Breachtan
Bright    -v-    Caisleán A' Mhuilinn
Castlewellan    


________________________________________

East Down Reserve Football League- Dé Domhnaigh 10 Meitheamh 2007
________________________________________

Naomh Eoin
St John's    -v-    Ath Bhriain
Bryansford    


Naomh Pól
St Paul's    -v-    Liatroma
Liatroim    


Ard Ghlais
Ardglass    -v-    Breachtan
Bright    


Cill Cua
Kilcoo    -v-    Cros Darach
Darragh Cross    


Dun Droma
Dundrum    -v-    Droim an Easa
Drumaness    


Caisleán A' Mhuilinn
Castlewellan    -v-    Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff    


Breadach
Bredagh    -v-    Tí Chonnachta
Teconnaught    


________________________________________

East Down Reserve Football League- Dé Domhnaigh 24 Meitheamh 2007
________________________________________

Liatroma
Liatroim    -v-    Dun Droma
Dundrum    


Droim an Easa
Drumaness    -v-    Naomh Eoin
St John's    


Ath Bhriain
Bryansford    -v-    Caisleán A' Mhuilinn
Castlewellan    


Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff    -v-    Ard Ghlais
Ardglass    


Breachtan
Bright    -v-    Breadach
Bredagh    


Tí Chonnachta
Teconnaught    -v-    Cill Cua
Kilcoo    


Cros Darach
Darragh Cross    -v-    Naomh Pól
St Paul's    


________________________________________

East Down Reserve Football League- Dé Domhnaigh 1 Iuil 2007
________________________________________

Dun Droma
Dundrum    -v-    Naomh Pól
St Paul's    


Naomh Eoin
St John's    -v-    Liatroma
Liatroim    


Caisleán A' Mhuilinn
Castlewellan    -v-    Droim an Easa
Drumaness    


Ard Ghlais
Ardglass    -v-    Ath Bhriain
Bryansford    


Breadach
Bredagh    -v-    Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff    


Cill Cua
Kilcoo    -v-    Breachtan
Bright    


Tí Chonnachta
Teconnaught    -v-    Cros Darach
Darragh Cross    


________________________________________

East Down Reserve Football League- Dé Domhnaigh 22 Iuil 2007
________________________________________

Naomh Pól
St Paul's    -v-    Naomh Eoin
St John's    


Liatroma
Liatroim    -v-    Caisleán A' Mhuilinn
Castlewellan    


Droim an Easa
Drumaness    -v-    Ard Ghlais
Ardglass    


Ath Bhriain
Bryansford    -v-    Breadach
Bredagh    


Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff    -v-    Cill Cua
Kilcoo    


Breachtan
Bright    -v-    Tí Chonnachta
Teconnaught    


Cros Darach
Darragh Cross    -v-    Dun Droma
Dundrum    


________________________________________

East Down Reserve Football League- Dé Domhnaigh 29 Iuil 2007
________________________________________

Naomh Eoin
St John's    -v-    Dun Droma
Dundrum    


Caisleán A' Mhuilinn
Castlewellan    -v-    Naomh Pól
St Paul's    


Ard Ghlais
Ardglass    -v-    Liatroma
Liatroim    


Breadach
Bredagh    -v-    Droim an Easa
Drumaness    


Cill Cua
Kilcoo    -v-    Ath Bhriain
Bryansford    


Tí Chonnachta
Teconnaught    -v-    Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff    


Breachtan
Bright    -v-    Cros Darach
Darragh Cross    


________________________________________

East Down Reserve Football League- Dé Domhnaigh 5 Lunasa 2007
________________________________________

Dun Droma
Dundrum    -v-    Caisleán A' Mhuilinn
Castlewellan    


Droim an Easa
Drumaness    -v-    Cill Cua
Kilcoo    


Ath Bhriain
Bryansford    -v-    Tí Chonnachta
Teconnaught    


Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff    -v-    Breachtan
Bright    


Cros Darach
Darragh Cross    -v-    Naomh Eoin
St John's    


Naomh Pól
St Paul's    -v-    Ard Ghlais
Ardglass    


Liatroma
Liatroim    -v-    Breadach
Bredagh    


________________________________________

East Down Reserve Football League- Dé Domhnaigh 26 Lunasa 2007
________________________________________

Breadach
Bredagh    -v-    Naomh Pól
St Paul's    


Tí Chonnachta
Teconnaught    -v-    Droim an Easa
Drumaness    


Breachtan
Bright    -v-    Ath Bhriain
Bryansford    


Caisleán A' Mhuilinn
Castlewellan    -v-    Naomh Eoin
St John's    


Ard Ghlais
Ardglass    -v-    Dun Droma
Dundrum    


Cill Cua
Kilcoo    -v-    Liatroma
Liatroim    


Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
Carryduff    -v-    Cros Darach
Darragh Cross    


________________________________________

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 27, 2007, 08:58:05 PM
If any club U-16 team is looking a Friendly within the next three weeks throw me a line. Preferably a B Section team from South Down. Cheers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on March 28, 2007, 07:38:01 AM
Would that be football or hurling DownFanatic? I can sort out a hurling friendly at u16. BTW does anyone know what's happening about the juvenile hurling fixtures? The first set were withdrawn and were to be re-drafted. The underage leagues should have started by now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 28, 2007, 09:00:54 AM
Bacon - I'm trying to find out what's happening as well. Our minors were due to play Ballygalget on Monday but no fixtures appeared in the Irish News. The web site fixtures haven't been updated since last October.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 28, 2007, 11:19:52 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on March 28, 2007, 09:00:54 AM
Bacon - I'm trying to find out what's happening as well. Our minors were due to play Ballygalget on Monday but no fixtures appeared in the Irish News. The web site fixtures haven't been updated since last October.

I take it the juvenile fixtures are set by the hurling board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 28, 2007, 11:30:54 AM
U/12GOGAMES 2ROUNDS

GROUP A

28th April      PORTAFERRY v BALLYCRAN
         BALLYGALGET v BREDAGH

5th May      BALLYCRAN v BALLYGALGET
         BREDAGH v PORTAFERRY

12th May      BALLYGALGET v PORTAFERRY
         BREDAGH v BALLYCRAN

2nd June      BALLYCRAN v PORTAFERRY
         BREDAGH v BALLYGALGET

9th June      BALLYGALGET v BALLYCRAN
         PORTAFERRY v BREDAGH

16th June      PORTAFERRY v BALLYGALGET
         BALLYCRAN v BREDAGH


GROUP B

28th April      CLONDUFF v WARRENPOINT
         SHAMROCKS v BALLYVARLEY
         BALELLA BYE

5th May      BALLYVARLEY v CLONDUFF
         WARRENPOINT v BALELLA
         SHAMROCKS BYE

12th May      SHAMROCKS v WARRENPOINT
         CLONDUFF v BALELLA
         BALLYVARLEY BYE

19th May      WARRENPOINT v BALLYVARLEY
         BALELLA v SHAMROCKS
         CLONDUFF BYE

26th May      SHAMROCKS v CLONDUFF
         BALLYVARLEY v BALELLA
         WARRENPOINT BYE

2ND ROUND: FIXTURES REVERSED, 2ND JUNE – 30TH JUNE






GROUP C

28th April      LIATROIM v CASTLEWELLAN
         KILCLIEF v CARRYDUFF

5th May      CASTLEWELLAN v KILCLIEF
         CARRYDUFF v LIATROIM

12th May      KILCLIEF v LIATROIM
         CASTLEWELLAN v   CARRYDUFF

2nd June      CASTLEWELLAN v   LIATROIM
         CARRYDUFF v KILCLIEF

9th June      KILCLIEF v CASTLEWELLAN
         LIATROIM v CARRYDUFF

16th June      LIATROIM v KILCLIEF
         CARRYDUFF v CASTLEWELLAN

AT THE CONCLUSION OF GOGAMES 2 TEAMS FROM 'A' OR 'C' WILL JOIN 'A' TO MAKE A REALISTIC 6 TEAM SECT A LEAGUE. THE REMAINING TEAMS WILL PLAY IN DIVISION 'B' THIS LEAGUE WILL START


U/14 'A' LEAGUE
2 ROUNDS

1st April      BREDAGH v BALLYCRAN
         PORTAFERRY v BALLYGALGET

4th April      BALLYCRAN v PORTAFERRY
         BALLYGALGET v BREDAGH

11th April      BREDAGH v PORTAFERRY
         BALLYGALGET v BALLYCRAN

25th April      BALLYCRAN v BREDAGH
         BALLYGALGET v PORTAFERRY

2nd May      PORTAFERRY v BALLYCRAN
         BREDAGH v BALLYGALGET

9th May      PORTAFERRY v BREDAGH
         BALLYCRAN v BALLYGALGET         
                              







U/14 'B' LEAGUE

1st April      MOURNE v WARRENPOINT
         SHAMROCKS v CLONDUFF

4th April      WARRENPOINT v SHAMROCKS
         CLONDUFF v MOURNE

11th April      MOURNE v SHAMROCKS
         CLONDUFF v WARRENPOINT

25th April      WARRENPOINT v MOURNE
         CLONDUFF v SHAMROCKS

2nd May      SHAMROCKS v WARRENPOINT
         MOURNE v CLONDUFF

9th May      SHAMROCKS v MOURNE
         WARRENPOINT v CLONDUFF

U/14 'C' LEAGUE

1st April      CARRYDUFF v ST PATRICKS
         CASTLEWELLAN v LIATROIM

4th April      ST PATRICKS v CASTLEWELLAN
         LIATROIM v CARRYDUFF

11th April      CARRYDUFF v CASTLEWELLAN
         ST PATRICKS v LIATROIM

25th April      ST PATRICKS v CARRYDUFF
         LIATROIM v CASTLEWELLAN

2nd May      CASTLEWELLAN v ST PATRICKS
         CARRYDUFF v LIATROIM

9th May      CASTLEWELLAN v   CARRYDUFF
         LIATROIM v ST PATRICKS













U/16 LEAGUE 2 ROUNDS SECT A
ROUND 1

13th April      BALLYCRAN v BREDAGH
         WARRENPOINT v PORTAFERRY   
         ST PATRICKS v BALLYGALGET

27th April      PORTAFERRY v BALLYCRAN
         BREDAGH v ST PATRICKS
         BALLYGALGET v WARRENPOINT

4th May      PORTAFERRY v BREDAGH
         BALLYCRAN v BALLYGALGET
         ST PATRICKS v WARRENPOINT

11th May      BALLYGALGET v PORTAFERRY
         WARRENPOINT v BREDAGH
         ST PATRICKS v BALLYCRAN

15th June      BALLYCRAN v WARRENPOINT
         PORTAFERRY v ST PATRICKS
         BREDAGH v BALLYGALGET

ROUND 2

22nd June      BREDAGH v BALLYCRAN
         PORTAFERRY v WARRENPOINT
         BALLYGALGET v ST PATRICKS

29th June      BALLYCRAN v PORTAFERRY
         ST PATRICKS v BREDAGH
         WARRENPOINT v BALLYGALGET

6th July         BREDAGH v PORTAFERRY
         BALLYGALGET v BALLYCRAN
         WARRENPOINT v ST PATRICKS

20th July      PORTAFERRY v BALLYGALGET
         BREDAGH v WARRENPOINT
         BALLYCRAN v ST PATRICKS

27th July      WARRENPOINT v BALLYCRAN
         ST PATRICKS v PORTAFERRY
         BALLYGALGET v BREDAGH

U/16 LEAGUE SECT 'B'
2 ROUNDS

13th April      CLONDUFF v SHAMROCKS
         KILCLIEF v CARRYDUFF
         CASTLEWELLAN vLIATROIM

27th April      CARRYDUFF v CLONDUFF
         SHAMROCKS v CASTLEWELLAN
         LIATROIM v KILCLIEF

4th May      CARRYDUFF v SHAMROCKS
         CLONDUFF v LIATROIM
         CASTLEWELLAN v KILCLIEF

11th May      LIATROIM v SHAMROCKS
         KILCLIEF v CARRYDUFF
         CASTLEWELLAN v CLONDUFF

15th June      CLONDUFF v KILCLIEF
         CARRYDUFF v CASTLEWELLAN
         SHAMROCKS v LIATROIM
      
ROUND 2

22nd June      SHAMROCKS v CLONDUFF
         CARRYDUFF v KILCLIEF
         LIATROIM v CASTLEWELLAN

29th June      CLONDUFF v CARRYDUFF
         CASTLEWELLAN v SHAMROCKS
         KILCLIEF v LIATROIM

6th July         SHAMROCKS v CARRYDUFF
         LIATROIM v CLONDUFF
         KILCLIEF v CASTLEWELLAN

20th July      SHAMROCKS v LIATROIM
         CARRYDUFF v KILCLIEF
         CLONDUFF v CASTLEWELLAN

27th July      KILCLIEF v CLONDUFF
         CASTLEWELLAN v CARRYDUFF   
         LIATROIM v SHAMROCKS










U/18 LEAGUE
SECT A

2nd April      CARRYDUFF v KILCLIEF
         WARRENPOINT v SHAMROCKS
         CASTLEWELLAN v CLONDUFF

16th April      CLONDUFF v CARRYDUFF
         KILCLIEF v WARRENPOINT
         SHAMROCKS CASTLEWELLAN

23rd April      CLONDUFF v SHAMROCKS
         CARRYDUFF v WARRENPOINT
         CASTLEWELLAN v KILCLIEF

30th April      KILCLIEF v CLONDUFF
         SHAMROCKS v CARRYDUFF
         WARRENPOINT v CASTLEWELLAN

7th May      CARRYDUFF v CASTLEWELLAN
         SHAMROCKS v KILCLIEF
         CLONDUFF v WARRENPOINT

SECT B

2nd April      BREDAGH v BALLYGALGET
         LIATROIM v ST PATRICKS
         BALLYCRAN v PORTAFERRY

16th April      BALLYGALGET v LIATROIM
         ST PATRICKS v BALLYCRAN
         PORTAFERRY v BREDAGH

23rd April      BREDAGH v BALLYCRAN
         BALLYGALGET v ST PATRICKS
         PORTAFERRY v LIATROIM

30th April      LIATROIM v BREDAGH
         BALLYCRAN v BALLYGALGET
         ST PATRICKS v PORTAFERRY

7th May      BALLYGALGET v PORTAFERRY
         BALLYCRAN v LIATROIM
         BREDAGH v ST PATRICKS

14th MAY WINNERS OF SECT A v B WINNERS

GAMES ON 2ND AND 16TH APRIL AT 7.00PM

FROM APRIL 23RD AT 7.30PM

GAMES CALLED OFF MUST BE REFIXED WITHIN 7 DAYS, OTHERWISE THEY WILL BE AWARDED OR DECLARED VOID
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 28, 2007, 11:36:20 AM
Thanks JC. These haven't got as far as me yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 28, 2007, 12:50:56 PM
Bacon, it's an U-16 Football Friendly Id be lookin. Preferably for a Thursday night. We don't mind hosting or travelling. It's the St Joseph's (Ballykinlar/Dundrum) U-16 team I take .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 31, 2007, 05:40:11 PM
Well done to St Columbans who won the All Ireland today by 7 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 31, 2007, 09:05:05 PM
Well done indeed! Any reports?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 02, 2007, 10:30:53 AM
Don't forget the championship draw are on tonight around 7 live on 5 FM from the Canal Court.

Talking to a few Drumgath ones over the last few weeks, they want Clonduff. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 02, 2007, 10:57:17 AM
what frequency is 5 fm, and where on the internet can you listen to it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 02, 2007, 11:09:55 AM
will be heading to the draw in the Canal Court this evening and will post the full draws of all levels as soon as i get back to Holywood this evening!! Hopefully it will be a worth while trip!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 02, 2007, 11:13:59 AM
Think its 100.5 fm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 02, 2007, 11:30:12 AM
cheers lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 02, 2007, 01:48:12 PM
Cant understand why the final is again at the end of september - we will have another summer of inactivity at club level even though the county team will be finished in June again.
Championship should be finished in the sunday between the hurling and football all irelands when we are near sure to get good weather - the past 3 down finals have been played in terrible conditions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 02, 2007, 02:02:57 PM
If the county team are out of the championship there is no reason to leave the final so late.  Get it played early and our county champions a chance to get over injuries and get ready for the Ulster championship.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 02, 2007, 02:08:42 PM
I have a feeling that the new activities secretary will be sympathetic towards that view Aidan. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 02, 2007, 02:28:37 PM
From a hurling point of view I beg to differ. The moving of the hurling club championships to later on in the yearhave helped the Down clubs compete in Ulster as we now play the Down final, then straight into the Ulster club series so no momentum is lost. It used to be that the hurling final was played the last Sunday in August then you had no game in the Ulster club championships till late September, early October with little or no league hurling to keep you ticking over. You may pick up injuries but that can happen any time even training.

I don't know how the Ards clubs will take the final being moved to Newry, but from a personal opinion I don't mind and we can't really complain about Antrim not wanting to move out of Casement to play in Newry if we won't play there ourselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 02, 2007, 07:42:55 PM
This 100.5 FM online listening service is a ballix. It won't work for me and Ive got feck all reception here in Newcastle. Im sure somebody will post up the draws ASAP.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 02, 2007, 08:47:47 PM
Any word lads?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 02, 2007, 08:54:52 PM
Bredagh v Carryduff in the IFC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 02, 2007, 08:57:07 PM
Dundrum v Teconnaught in the IFC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 02, 2007, 09:08:58 PM
This new fckin job! Only caught the senior draw. From what I remember:

- Atticall vs Mayobridge
- Warrenpoint vs Burren
- Rostrevor vs Annaclone
- Clonduff vs Bryansford
- Shamrocks vs Loughinisland
- Drumgath vs Longstone
- Liatroim vs Kilcoo
- An Riocht vs Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 02, 2007, 09:13:00 PM
JHC Castlewellan v Bredagh

SHC Ballygalget v Portaferry again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 02, 2007, 09:59:26 PM
Downpatrick v Glenn in IFC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 02, 2007, 10:02:55 PM
Senior Football Championship

First Round

1:   Warrenpoint   v   Burren
2:   Shamrocks                   v   Loughinisland
3:   Castlewellan   v   An Riocht
4:   Drumgath                   v   Longstone
5:   Kilcoo      v   Liatroim
6:   Clonduff      v   Byansford
7:   Mayobridge                   v   Attical
8:   Rostrevor                   v   Annaclone


Intermediate Football Championship

First Round

1:   Tullylish      v   Ardglass
2:   Teconnaught   v   Dundrum
3:   Carryduff                   v   Bredagh
4:   Darragh Cross   v   Clann Na Banna
5:   Saval      v   Kilclief
6:   Ballyholland                   v   Glasdrumman
7:   Saul      v   Ballymartin
8:   Glenn      v   Downpatrick


Junior Football Championship

First Round

A:   Killyleagh   v   St. John's
B:   Bosco   v   Dromara
C:   Mitchels   v   St. Michael's
D:   St. Paul's   v   Drumaness

Quarter Finals

1:   Ballykinler   v   B
2:   Bright   v   A
3:   C   v   Aghaderg
4:   D    v   Aughlisnafin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 02, 2007, 10:04:38 PM
Senior Hurling Championship

Semi Finals

1:   Ballygalget   v   Portaferry
2:   Ballycran   v   Down Juniors


Intermediate Hurling Championship

Quarter Finals

A:   Ballygalget   v   Ballyvarley
B:   Liatroim   v   Kilclief
C:   Shamrocks   v   Ballycran

Semi Finals

1:   A   v   B
2:   Portaferry   v   A


Junior Hurling Championship

Quarter Finals

A:   Castlewellan   v   Bredagh
B:   Ballycran                    v   Warrenpoint
C:   Clonduff      v   Ballela
D:   Portaferry                   v   Ballygalget
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 02, 2007, 10:06:40 PM
Premier Reserve Championship

Preliminary Round

A:   Clonduff      v   Liatroim
B:   Rostrevor                    v   Longstone
C:   Annaclone                   v   Kilcoo
D:   Loughinisland   v   Carryduff

First Round

1:   Burren      v   D
2:   Saul      v   Saval
3:      B   v   Mayobridge
4:   Downpatrick   v   Ballymartin
5:   Warrenpoint   v   C
6:   Tullylish      v   A
7:   Bryansford                   v   An Riocht
8:   Kilclief      v   Castlewellan


Reserve Championship

Preliminary Round

A:   Bredagh II                   v   Drumaness II
B:   Burren III                   v   Bright II
C:   An Riocht III   v   Rostrevor II
D:   Castlewellan III   v   Darragh Cross II
E:   Carryduff III   v   Drumgath II
F:   Mitchels II                   v   St. John's II
G:   Mayobridge III   v   Bryanford III
H:   Teconnaught II   v   Kilcoo III
I:   Dundrum II                   v   Liatroim III
J:   Shamrocks II   v   Ballyholland II
K:   ClanNa Banna II   v   St. Paul's II

First Round

1:      F   v   Down Masters
2:      D   v   I
3:      C   v   Attical II
4:   Glenn II      v   G
5:      A   v   K
6:   St. Michael's II   v   E
7:      B   v   J
8:   Ardglass II                   v   H
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 02, 2007, 10:14:23 PM
Diddnt take you long, thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 02, 2007, 10:15:08 PM
just back in the door from Newry, didn't want to keep you all waiting!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on April 02, 2007, 10:46:26 PM
stpauls, that looks a fair championship draw for the club.
Is this the big year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 02, 2007, 11:04:41 PM
it very well could be, two home advantage games, providing we win the both of them, and we are into the semi finals, . with mitchels, st. michaels and aghaderg up against each other, putting all but one of them out, we have as much chance as any one else. we will certainly give it a lash. what about yourself?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on April 02, 2007, 11:09:34 PM
I'm a st pauls man too, recent blow-in
That was why I queryed your use of the badge last week, as I know the person who would claim the intellectual property rights. Just trying to get a bit of crack going
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 02, 2007, 11:13:02 PM
you will have to make yourself known then, so i know the craic for the next time!! i had already cleared it with the big man, but he was given me a bit of gyp for the number of times i asked him to add a copy of it to the website!! he was not impressed!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on April 02, 2007, 11:15:14 PM
ah you wouldn't know me anyway, very little impresses uncle euge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 02, 2007, 11:20:47 PM
you never know, i like to think very little gets past me, if you know what i mean!! it certainly takes a lot to impress him alright!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 03, 2007, 09:10:43 AM
Senior Football Championship

First Round

1:   Warrenpoint   v   Burren
2:   Shamrocks                   v   Loughinisland
3:   Castlewellan   v   An Riocht
4:   Drumgath                   v   Longstone
5:   Kilcoo      v   Liatroim
6:   Clonduff      v   Byansford
7:   Mayobridge                   v   Attical
8:   Rostrevor                   v   Annaclone

From a Bridge point of view its a good draw.  Kilcoo v Liatroim and Clonduff v the Ford are the ties of the round.

My verdict on teams in the hat for the next round:
Burren
Loughinsland
Castlewellan
Stone
Kilcoo
Bryansford
Bridge
Rostrevor

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 03, 2007, 10:19:46 AM
Any other draw info Andy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 03, 2007, 10:35:02 AM
JC, stpauls has the heap on page 50. 

Youse have the Ports and the Crans play the juniors.

Senior hurlers are going well, eh?   :o

stpauls, I don't think you will have any home advantage, all championship matches are played at neutral venues.

Predictions:

Intermediate Football Championship


1:   Tullylish      v   Ardglass                                Ardglass
2:   Teconnaught   v   Dundrum                         Teconnaught
3:   Carryduff                   v   Bredagh                 Carryduff
4:   Darragh Cross   v   Clann Na Banna                 Darragh Cross
5:   Saval      v   Kilclief                                       Kilclief ( have to say that!)
6:   Ballyholland                   v   Glasdrumman       Ballyholland
7:   Saul      v   Ballymartin                                  Ballymartin
8:   Glenn      v   Downpatrick                             Downpatrick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 03, 2007, 01:25:51 PM
The Senior Championship draw looks entertaining enough fair with Liatroim/Kilcoo and Clonduff/Bryansford standing out. The IFC has one real standout tie - Carryduff v Bredagh. There is potential here for game of the year. Id say it will probably bring in the biggest crowd of the Championship aswell. The JFC looks competitive enough. I see Killyleagh are entering a team for the Championship eventhough they arent in the League. I think its far too early for predictions. I think that kind of stuff should be left for the week before the first round with League form taken into account etc. Anyways Id probably classify some of the teams in these categories:

SFC
Favourites - Mayobridge, Burren
Going Close - Rostrevor, Clonduff

IFC
Favourites - Ballyholland, Saval, Downpatrick
Going Close - Carryduff, Darragh Cross

JFC
Favourites - Bosco, St Pauls, Bright
Going Close - St Michaels, Aghaderg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on April 03, 2007, 01:40:03 PM
Strange to see Killyleagh enter the JFC, whats the story here considering they arent in Div 4 this year?  Are they possibly entering the EDRFL?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 03, 2007, 01:50:34 PM
guys, killyleagh still haven't confirmed if they are entering a team for the championship, but the county board didn't want to draw their name in the quarters for some one to get a clear trip to the semi's, so if they pull out, St. John's have a bye to the quarters.

with regards to home advantage, was confirmed last night at the draw, home ties for first out in all rounds up to and including the quarters. although, this was what they said last night so that of course could all change at a later date!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on April 03, 2007, 01:53:52 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 03, 2007, 01:50:34 PM
guys, killyleagh still haven't confirmed if they are entering a team for the championship, but the county board didn't want to draw their name in the quarters for some one to get a clear trip to the semi's, so if they pull out, St. John's have a bye to the quarters.

with regards to home advantage, was confirmed last night at the draw, home ties for first out in all rounds up to and including the quarters. although, this was what they said last night so that of course could all change at a later date!!!

I'd say then we can expect to play Bright in our first championship game!!  Cheers St Pauls, wont be missing the trip to Holywood this year!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 03, 2007, 02:00:16 PM
Quotewith regards to home advantage, was confirmed last night at the draw, home ties for first out in all rounds up to and including the quarters. although, this was what they said last night so that of course could all change at a later date!!!

stpauls, was that just for the junior championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 03, 2007, 02:33:56 PM
as far as i know this is for every draw!!! this was said at the start of the draws but was not mentioned again during them. so i would assume it is for all of them!!  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 03, 2007, 03:30:41 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 02, 2007, 09:13:00 PM
JHC Castlewellan v Bredagh

SHC Ballygalget v Portaferry again.

Lecale,
         did Bredagh get special dispensation to play junior again this year?

If I were any of the non Ards clubs I'd be insisting that all the junior and intermediate games are played after the senior semi finals as we've half a senior team able to play junior due to injuries etc last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on April 03, 2007, 04:12:05 PM
Sure didn't ballyvarley win the junior champ, so bredagh wud be entitled to enter junior again?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 03, 2007, 06:02:42 PM
Liatroim got dispensation to play
Quote from: johnneycool on April 03, 2007, 03:30:41 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 02, 2007, 09:13:00 PM

Lecale,
         did Bredagh get special dispensation to play junior again this year?

If I were any of the non Ards clubs I'd be insisting that all the junior and intermediate games are played after the senior semi finals as we've half a senior team able to play junior due to injuries etc last year
Whitehair is right. Bredagh lost the final to Ballyvarley.
Liatroim got dispensation to play Intermediate again this year. Probably the right decision given their small panel. Ballela and Castlewellan both got regraded Junior. The 2 of them will be favorites for the JHC this year. They're both a cut above anybody else in the JHC unless Ballygalget field some of their Seniors.

Ballygalget will have Martin Coulter and Emmett Dorrian available to play Junior. Who else to Ballygalget have available for Junior JC?
Shamrocks raised this at the Hurling convention but got little sympathy from the Ards clubs. As you pointed out earlier the senior clubs want the SHC played close to the Ulster Championship and that leaves no room for IHC and JHC to follow on, because of the Junior & Inter Ulster club competitions. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on April 04, 2007, 09:24:59 AM
That's the 3rd year in a row Ports and Ballygalget meet in the semi final. I'm not sure a semi against Down Juniors does us any good especailly when they don't prepare properly.
For the SHC this has to be Ballycran's year. We've been knocking on the door now for 2 years and it's time to deliver.

If Ballygalget manage their panels right they should lift the IHC. Kilclief are strong too and could push them all the way. That's 3 years in a row Shamrocks have drawn Ballycran IIs and every year they complain that it should be played after the SHC semis. You'd nearly think the draw was fixed to wind up Ronan Sheehan!

In the JHC it will be the winner of the Bredagh/Castlewellan clash. Castlewellan beat Ballela in the IHC last year so I'm a bit surprised that they're back down in Junior. Bredagh know they left it behind them last year and will not be distracted by Ulster Leagues this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on April 04, 2007, 11:23:26 AM
Who decided that Liatroim, Castlewellan & Ballela could all be re-graded? This has been badly handled. It certainly didn't go forward from the Hurling Board. Surely Ballyvarley have a case for regarding to Junior. They aren't half as good as Ballela or Castlewellan & if Liatroim can play Intermediate after winning the IHC why not Ballyvarley?

KIlclief & Shamrocks will be pissed off that Liatroim are back in the IHC. It will severely reduce their chances of success at this level. How long before Kilclief & Shamrocks want regraded to Junior?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 04, 2007, 11:51:38 AM
QuoteHow long before Kilclief & Shamrocks want regraded to Junior?

That will never happen, there are a few deluded die hards in the club who believe the only way is up. 

As for us being strong this year, the way training has been going I don't think so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on April 04, 2007, 01:43:42 PM
I think its the correct decision that we(ballela) have moved back down a grade, last nite we played a challenge match that contained 6 players from the team that won the junior championship in 2003. Im not sure if anyones read the comments posted on the hoganstand site, where people are kicking up a fuss saying we shouldnt be in the intermediate but any of the ards 2nds wud tell u that we'r far too weak  at present and are a shadow of the team that beat ballygalget and ran the ports close a two years. The county board/hurling board admitted us to div1 on the condition that we remained there for 3 years, this being the last its more than likely we move down next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on April 04, 2007, 05:26:52 PM
Neither Ballela nor Castlewellan are junior sides Whitehair. Castlewellan reached the semi final of the IHC last yeart FFS! And they only beat Ballela after a replay in the earlier rounds.
Dropping down a level to win a championship is poor form and shouldn't be allowed. How do Warrenpoint & Bredagh feel about it? They have never won the JHC and what chance have they now if Intermediate clubs keep regrading?
How will Kilclief feel if Liatroim win the IHC again? Liatroim should play senior for one season, as they and Kilclief have both done in the past. If they don't want to play senior they have the option of sitting out a year like Ballygalget did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on April 05, 2007, 08:23:38 AM
The Down Hurling leagues start on Tuesday 10th April. This date is listed in the Master Fixtures List document. Now the County Board have fixed a round of Priemier Reserve League matches for the same date and time!!!
Hurling in Down really is f****!
Clubs like Clonduff, Warrenpoint, Bredagh, Liatroim, Castlewellan, Kilclief & Shamrocks have dual players and the smaller clubs can't field without them. This is incompetence of the highest order and once again hurling will suffer. It's no wonder Darragh Cross packed in the hurling last year. With small numbers they couldn't field in these circumstances. The likes of Clonduff won't be far behind them if this continues.
What's the f***ing point of a Master Fixtures list if it isn't used. It's not as if there is a back log of football fixtures to clear, this is round one of the ACHL. It just shows you what can be expected for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 05, 2007, 02:02:13 PM
Can someone explain to me why nearly every fan in Down football has a perpetual hard-on for James Colgan? Please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 05, 2007, 02:03:42 PM
thank you, at last someone has said it.
has to be one of the most over rated players about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 05, 2007, 02:24:26 PM
Jaysus lads don't throw the towel in yet , we are Down  8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 05, 2007, 02:25:09 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on April 05, 2007, 02:10:18 PM

The first round of the championship is 5 weeks from Sunday. I cant remember a time when things looked this bad.

How about last year after the Sligo match?

Tuesday 10th April 6pm
ACPRFL Div 1
Downpatrick v Clonduff
Mayobridge v Brayansford
Burren v An Riocht
Kilcoo v Longstone
ACPRFL Div 2
Ballymartin v Castlewellen
Annaclone v Saul
Loughinisland v Carryduff
A.C.H.L. Div 1
Shamrocks v Porfaferry
Ballela v Kilcleif
Liatroim v Ballycran
A.C.H.L. Div 2
Portaferry v Bredagh
Warrenpoint v Clonduff
Ballycran v Castlewellen
Ballyvarley v Ballygalget

6.00pm is an early start for anyone who is at work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on April 05, 2007, 02:47:06 PM
-Can someone explain to me why nearly every fan in Down football has a perpetual hard-on for James Colgan? Please.-

I believe many fans in Down football are hoping Colgan will be a star of the furture, because the present senior crop of players are not up to the standard required or are falling well short of their potential. The supporters then look to any potential young stars [who ever they may be] coming through to give them hope.

I believe Colgan could make a great player, but it's far to early to decide about that. Plenty of fellas his age in the past have been great but not made the grade. He should not be placed under undue pressure and should be given time to develope.

He does remind me of Brian Burns a few years back. Very good under age player with similar physic who made good at senior level. But Brian Burns made good in a county team filled with good players and was thus given some time to develope. Colgan is only 19 I believe and should also  be given time to develope.

Just because our present sitaution is dire, we should not rush young players onto the county team. We did that in the last year of McGraths tenure and I believe some of those players who we held out so much hope then now seem quite jaded.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on April 05, 2007, 10:24:09 PM
Big changes to leagues and championships for next year.  16 teams in Division 1 & 2 with 12 teams in Division 3.  Divisions 1 & 2 on a one round basis with Division 3 home and away.  Lots of other pecular rules.  This has to be discussed at club level and a decision made by county board on 19 April.  Interesting.  I'm sure you'll hear more details soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on April 06, 2007, 10:43:06 AM
Can you post them Cloc Mor? Any plans to change the championships?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on April 06, 2007, 10:56:54 AM
Haven't got them in writing.  No relegation this year from Div 1 and top 4 in Div 2 all go up.  These 16 teams then compete in Senior Championship.  Bottom 5 in Div 3 join teams from Div 4 for Junior championship.  With the rest of the teams in Intermediate Championship, I think.  I think this is all for a trial period of 2 years.  I'm sure someone on here has the full document, this is just what I have been told.  Championship gate money will also be divided up more fairly with 10% to host club, 20% to each competing team and 50% to county board.  Perhaps this is the carrot to get clubs to go with these pr0posals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on April 06, 2007, 11:08:38 AM
sounds good to me i would be all on for it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 06, 2007, 02:46:43 PM
FIXTURE PROPOSALS FOR 2008 AND 2009

The Competitions Control Committee make the following proposals in relation to adult football in Down in the years 2008 and 2009.  The proposals outlined below are for this two year trial period. 

In essence league finishing position will determine grade of Championship.  It is proposed that for 2008 and 2009 there will be three league divisions comprising 16 teams in Divisions One and Two and twelve teams in Division Three.

There will be 16 teams in the Senior and Intermediate Championships and 12 teams in the Junior Championship.

Initial stages of Championships will be organised on a round robin basis.

No change to the status quo is recommended to Premier Reserve and Reserve Football and to Adult Hurling.

Where the word 'ranking' is used in this document it refers to that allocated by CCC to each team at the start of each year for the duration of the trial period and which will be based on the finishing league position of the previous year. Clubs will be advised of their ranking for the following year at the end of competition year.

Score difference shall not be used at any stage to determine any league finishing position which has a bearing on the latter stages of that year's League or the following years league and/or Championship

In order to commence the trial in 2008, the following will apply to the leagues in 2007.









2007

Leagues

No relegation from Division One.  Top Four to continue in existing format.

The top four teams in Division Two will be promoted to Division One.  Play-offs will proceed to determine league finishing position only.

There is no relegation from Division Two.

The top seven teams from Division Three be promoted to Division Two.  There will be no play-offs in this Division

Bottom five teams in Division Three will remain in that division.

The winners of Division Four, after the play-offs, will be promoted to Division Two for 2008.

The remaining seven teams in Division Four will be promoted to Division Three for 2008.



Championships

No change to the status quo




2008

Leagues

Division One

16 Teams with one round of fixtures

Where a team in 2008 has 7 home and 8 away fixtures, as far as is practicably possible in 2009 they will have 8 home and 7 away.

In play-offs teams finishing in positions 1 and 2 will automatically qualify for league semi-final. 

Teams finishing in positions 3-6 will play-off (3 v6; 4 v 5) with the winners qualifying for the semi-final.  Teams finishing in positions 1 and 2 cannot meet each other in semi-final.

There will be no automatic relegation.  The bottom four teams will play-off on a round robin basis with the two lowest placed teams from this series of games being relegated.  Score difference will not be used as a factor to determine relegation.  If necessary, additional game(s) will be played.




Division Two

16 Teams with one round of fixtures

Where a team in 2008 has 7 home and 8 away fixtures, as far as is practicably possible in 2009 they will have 8 home and 7 away.

In play-offs teams finishing in positions 1 and 2 will automatically qualify for league semi-final. 

Teams finishing in positions 3-6 will play-off (3 v6; 4 v 5) with the winners qualifying for the semi-final.  Teams finishing in positions 1 and 2 cannot meet each other in semi-final.

Both teams who reach the league final will be promoted to Division One for the following season.

There will be no automatic relegation.  The bottom four teams will play-off on a round robin basis with the two lowest placed teams from this series of games being relegated.  Score difference will not be used as a factor to determine relegation.  If necessary, additional game(s) will be played.



Division Three

Twelve team, with league run on a two round basis.

The top four teams will play-off (1 v 4; 2 v 3) with the winners contesting a league final.  Both semi-final winners will be promoted.

There is no relegation 



CHAMPIONSHIPS

SENIOR

16 teams which will be made up of teams in Division One

Exceptions – (1) Where the Intermediate Championship winners of the previous year are not in Division One, they will compete in the Senior Championship and the lowest eligible ranking team (probably that which is ranked 16th) will play in the Intermediate Championship.

(2) Where the Senior Championship winners of the previous year are not in Division One they will play in the Senior Championship and the lowest eligible ranked team will play in the Intermediate Championship.

(3) Where both (1) and "2) above apply the two lowest ranked teams will play in the Intermediate Championship

The 16 teams will be divided up into four groups of four teams each.  Each group will include two teams from the top eight ranked teams and two teams from the lowest eight ranking teams.

The top two teams from each group qualify for the quarter-finals which will be organised on an open draw.

All games in the Senior Championship will be played at neutral venues

All games in the Senior Championship during the round robin stages will be single billing games.  Gates for these games will be allocated as follows;

HOST CLUB 10%
COMPETING CLUBS 20% EACH
COUNTY BOARD 50%



INTERMEDIATE

16 teams which will be made up of teams in Division Two

Exceptions – (1) Where the Junior Championship winners of the previous year are not in Division Two, they will compete in the Intermediate Championship and the lowest eligible ranking team (probably that which is ranked 32nd) will play in the Junior Championship.

(2) Where the Intermediate champions of the previous year are in Division Two, they will compete in the Senior Championship and their place in the Intermediate Championship will be taken by the lowest eligible ranked team from Division One.

The 16 teams will be divided up into four groups of four teams each.  Each group will include two teams from the top eight ranked teams in the competition and two teams from the lowest eight ranking teams.

The top two teams from each group qualify for the quarter-finals which will be organised on an open draw.

All games in the Intermediate Championship will be played at neutral venues.  Games may be played as a single or double bill (which may include an Intermediate/Junior double bill).

Where the game is played as a single bill the gate will be divided as follows;

HOST CLUB 10%
COMPETING CLUBS 20% EACH
COUNTY BOARD 50%


Where games are played as a double bill the gate will be allocated as follows;

HOST CLUB 10%
COMPETING TEAMS 10%
COUNTY BOARD 50%




JUNIOR

12 teams which are made up of teams in Division Three

Exception – Where the Junior Championship winners of the previous year are in Division Three, they will play in the Intermediate Championship and their place in the Junior Championship will be taken by the lowest eligible ranked team from Division Two.

The 12 teams will be divided up into four groups of three teams with the top two teams in each group qualifying for the quarter-finals.

Each group will comprise of two teams from the top eight ranked teams in the competition and one team from the bottom four ranking teams in the competition.

Quarter-finals will be organised on an open draw basis.

All games in the Junior Championship will be played at neutral venues.  Games may be played as a single or double bill (which may include an Intermediate/Junior double bill).

Where the game is played as a single bill the gate will be divided as follows;

HOST CLUB 10%
COMPETING CLUBS 20% EACH
COUNTY BOARD 50%


Where games are played as a double bill the gate will be allocated as follows;


HOST CLUB 10%
COMPETING TEAMS 10%
COUNTY BOARD 50%




2009

Leagues and Championships for 2009 will be organised on the same basis as 2008.

The County Committee to decide in the autumn of 2009 on the way forward after this trial period.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 06, 2007, 03:06:50 PM
If the new rules applied to this season (2007) using last year's (2006) final positions then this would be the following setup.

Division 1

Kilcoo  SFC
Longstone  SFC
Mayobridge SFC
Burren  SFC
Clonduff  SFC
Loughinisland  SFC
Rostrevor  SFC
Castlewellan  SFC
Bryansford  SFC
Liatroim  SFC
Annaclone  SFC
Shamrocks SFC
An Riocht  SFC
Warrenpoint  SFC
Atticall  SFC
Ballyholland  IFC

Division 2
Saval  IFC
Downpatrick  IFC
Ballymartin  IFC
Glasdrumman  IFC
Kilclief  IFC
Carryduff  IFC
Saul  IFC
Glenn  IFC
Darragh Cross  IFC
Banbridge  IFC
Ardglass  IFC
Drumgath  SFC
Tullylish  IFC
Dundrum  IFC
Teconnaught  IFC
Bredagh  IFC

Division 3
Mitchels  JFC
Bosco  JFC
Bright  JFC
Aghaderg  JFC
Drumaness  JFC
St Pauls  JFC
St Michaels  JFC
St Johns   JFC
Dromara  JFC
Ballykinlar  JFC
Aughlisnafin  JFC
Killyleagh  JFC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 10, 2007, 10:23:03 AM
DOWN

Tuesday April 10

O'Neill's International Sports Wear ACPRFL Division 1 (6pm): Downpatrick v Clonduff; Mayobridge v Bryansford; Burren v An Riocht; Kilcoo v Longstone; ACPRFL Division 2: Annaclone v Saul; Loughinisland

v Carryduff; Ballymartin v Castlewellan (OFF)

Friday April 13

O'Neill's International Sports Wear SFL 1 (6.30pm): Atticall v Rostrevor; Bryansford v Clonduff; Castlewellan

v Longstone; Mayobridge v Kilcoo; Loughinisland v Burren; An Riocht v Liatroim; SFL 2: Ballymartin v Shamrocks; Downpatrick v Warrenpoint; Ballyholland v Clann Na Banna; Kilclief v Darragh Cross; Glasdrumman v Annaclone; Carryduff v Saval; SFL 3: Bright v Drumgath; Teconnaught v Mitchels; Dundrum v Tullylish; Glenn v Saul; St Paul's v Bosco; Ardglass v Bredagh; SFL4: Aghaderg v St John's; Ballykinlar v Aughlisnafin; Dromara v Drumaness

Sunday April 15

O'Neill's International Sports Wear ACPRFL Division 1 (2pm): Bryansford v An Riocht; Clonduff v Longstone; Warrenpoint v Liatroim; Rostrevor v Kilcoo; Downpatrick

v Burren; ACPRFL Division 2: Carryduff v Saval; Tullylish v Saul; Ballymartin v Annaclone; Kilclief v Castlewellan

Monday April 16

O'Neill's International Sports Wear SFL 1 (6.45pm): Rostrevor v Bryansford; Clonduff v Atticall; Longstone

v Mayobridge; Kilcoo v Castlewellan; Burren v An Riocht; Liatroim v Loughinisland; SFL 2: Shamrocks v Downpatrick; Warrenpoint v Ballymartin; Clann Na Banna v Kilclief; Darragh Cross v Ballyholland; Annaclone

v Carryduff; Saval v Glasdrumman; SFL 3: Drumgath

v Teconnaught; Mitchels v Bright; Tullylish v Glenn; Saul

v Dundrum; Bosco v Ardglass; Bredagh v St Paul's;

SFL 4: Drumaness v St Michael's; Aughlisnafin

v Dromara; St John's v Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on April 10, 2007, 11:01:21 AM
League Predictions

SFL 1
Atticall v Rostrevor; ROSTREVOR
Bryansford v Clonduff; CLONDUFF
Castlewellan v Longstone; LONGSTONE
Mayobridge v Kilcoo; MAYOBRIDGE
Loughinisland v Burren; BURREN
An Riocht v Liatroim; LIATROIM

SFL 2
Ballymartin v Shamrocks; SHAMROCKS
Downpatrick v Warrenpoint; DOWNPATRICK
Ballyholland v Clann Na Banna; BALLYHOLLAND
Kilclief v Darragh Cross; KILCLIEF
Glasdrumman v Annaclone; ANNACLONE
Carryduff v Saval; SAVAL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on April 10, 2007, 12:40:07 PM
and just making sure we cover all divisions for predictions  :)

SFL 3

Bright v Drumgath  DRUMGATH
Teconnaught v Mitchels   TECONNAUGHT
Dundrum v Tullylish  DUNDRUM
Glenn v Saul    GLENN
St. Pauls v Bosco     ST PAULS
Ardglass v Bredagh    BREDAGH

SFL 4

Aghaderg v St Johns     AGHADERG
Ballykinlar v Aughlisnafin   BALLYKINLAR
Dromara v Drumaness     DROMARA


and on Monday night next:

SFL 3

Drumgath v Teconnaught   DRUMGATH
Mitchels v Bright     MITCHELS
Tullylish v Glenn     TULLYLISH
Saul v Dundrum     DUNDRUM
Bosco v Ardglass    ARDGLASS
Bredagh v St Pauls   BREDAGH

SFL 4

Drumaness v St Michaels    ST MICHAELS
Aughlisnafin v Dromara    DROMARA
St Johns v Ballykinlar   ST JOHNS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 10, 2007, 01:43:30 PM
Friday 13th April 6:30pm

O'Neills International Sports Wear

SFL 1

Atticall v Rostrevor - Rostrevor

Bryansford v Clonduff - Draw

Castlewellan v Longstone - Castlewellan

Mayobridge v Kilcoo - Kilcoo

Loughinisland v Burren - Burren

An Riocht v Liatroim - An Riocht

SFL 2

Ballymartin v Shamrocks - Shamrocks

Downpatrick v Warrenpoint - Downpatrick

Ballyholland v Clann Na Banna - Ballyholland

Kilclief v Darragh Cross - Darragh Cross

Glasdrumman v Annaclone - Annaclone

Carryduff v Saval - Draw

SFL 3

Bright v Drumgath - Drumgath

Teconnaught v Mitchels - Teconnaught

Dundrum v Tullylish - No Comment

Glenn v Saul - Saul

St. Pauls v Bosco - Draw

Ardglass v Bredagh - Ardglass

SFL 4

Aghaderg v St Johns - St Johns

Ballykinlar v Aughlisnafin - Ballykinlar

Dromara v Drumaness - Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 10, 2007, 09:10:54 PM
Results from Tuesday

ACHL Div 2

Portaferry1-08 2-12 Bredagh
Warrenpoint 2-05 3-04 Clonduff
Ballyvarley beat Ballygalget by 7 pts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 11, 2007, 09:56:40 PM
Paul McComiskey has joined the Down Panel after being called up by Ross Carr on Tuesday. I hear the squad are in Meath at the moment doing some fart about bonding session.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on April 12, 2007, 09:01:13 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 10, 2007, 09:10:54 PM
Results from Tuesday

ACHL Div 2

Portaferry1-08 2-12 Bredagh
Warrenpoint 2-05 3-04 Clonduff
Ballyvarley beat Ballygalget by 7 pts

Portaferry travelled to Derrylecka to play Newry. The game was re-arranged form 6.00pm to 6.45 but nobody told the ref and he left at 6.30 when nobody had arrived. The grass hadn't been cut and the pitch wasn't marked out but a friendly was played anyway.

Ballycran travelled to play Liatroim. Liatroim is still closed and the council pitch hadn't any nets and wasn't marked out so the game wasn't played.

Great start to the Down league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 12, 2007, 09:16:57 AM
Kilclief beat Ballela handy enough.  Great start to the leagues right enough!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 12, 2007, 10:08:30 AM
Quote from: No1 on April 12, 2007, 09:16:57 AM
Kilclief beat Ballela handy enough.  Great start to the leagues right enough!
How's Jimmy O'Reilly getting on with the Kilclief lads No 1? Any signs of an improvement in discipline?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 12, 2007, 10:37:36 AM
In a word, no!

If the Wobbler is reading this, any word of a preview of the football season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 12, 2007, 10:42:34 AM
Can anybody please give Directions to where the Bright football field is ? Apparently they have a new field.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 12, 2007, 11:10:39 AM
QuoteIf the Wobbler is reading this, any word of a preview of the football season?

Funny I was thinking the same thing No 1....his new bosses are making him do some real work I think...and its interfereing with his punditry :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on April 12, 2007, 11:18:49 AM
Should the County players not be available for their clubs this week, in preparation for the start of the league, rather than 'bonding' in Meath?  In my mind 'bonding' invariably means consuming copious amounts of alcohol, insulting several members of the group and the odd fight.  Clubs will be pleased.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 12, 2007, 11:32:13 AM
Agree 100% Cloc Mór. Our senior team have been training since the 2nd week in January and this Friday will be the first time our 2 county lads will have sat in the same changing room as them this year. :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 12, 2007, 12:00:40 PM
Greygoose. It is true that Bright have a new pitch in Ballynoe but as far as I am aware it is out of use for the next month. We play their U-16's this Tuesday but I am told that we have to play them on their old field in Killough. Apparently the pitch developer Tony Patterson has advised them to stay off it. Id say your best bet is to phone their secretary.
Anyway Ballynoe is not that difficult to find. You head through Downpatrick and go for the Killough Road. This takes you past a big housing estate called the Model Farm. Once past it go about a mile and a half down that road and then take a right at the Ballynoe signpost. Follow that road for about two mile and just before you enter the village the Bright complex is on the left. It's a very good setup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 12, 2007, 02:32:28 PM
Thanks DownFanatic
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on April 12, 2007, 02:42:24 PM
Whats the crack with all the transfer activity both in and out of Downpatrick.  I hear there were quite a few and they all went through.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 12, 2007, 02:50:17 PM
havent heard cloc mor, micky magee from ardglass was supposed to be looking to join rgu but hadnt heard anymore about it. i wonder was he one of them? hes a good player.

is there anywhere on the down website that transfer forms can be downloaded from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on April 12, 2007, 03:00:22 PM
no, this was few weeks ago at a East Down meeting where there were quite a few requests in - most either in or out of Downpatrick.  Must be no truth in rumour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 12, 2007, 04:37:40 PM
Delighted to hear McComiskey has been called on to the senior panel. He's an excellent player and will be a big addition, great pace and strenght.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 12, 2007, 04:46:52 PM
Cloc Mor, in regards to the Downpatrick transfer situation I hear that Peter McKenna's from Saul has definitely gone through. I think Paul Holland's from Saul is being processed. Magee is staying with Ardglass. The transfer out is John Smith. He's looking to go to Bright. He used to play for Ballykinlar. An absolute physcho. He's barred from Downpatrick club for life after nuttin their manager Paul Evans last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on April 12, 2007, 04:54:19 PM
Take a brave man to nut Evans - I wouldn't fancy it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on April 12, 2007, 05:44:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 12, 2007, 04:46:52 PM
Cloc Mor, in regards to the Downpatrick transfer situation I hear that Peter McKenna's from Saul has definitely gone through. I think Paul Holland's from Saul is being processed. Magee is staying with Ardglass. The transfer out is John Smith. He's looking to go to Bright. He used to play for Ballykinlar. An absolute physcho. He's barred from Downpatrick club for life after nuttin their manager Paul Evans last year.

That must be the way to do it - I've heard that its more difficult to get a transfer out from the RGU than it is to get a slot singing Amhrán na bhFiann at half-time in the next Norn Irn qualifier at Windsor Park. The RGU have an official/unofficial ruling of thou shalt not pass. Based on this new info from Down Fanatic, there must be a line of people of all ages settling in for a nuttin exercise to get a signature on the transfers. Down the years, the town appear to be masters at claiming registration as part of roll call at the primary schools there irrespective of where they live.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 13, 2007, 08:33:53 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 12, 2007, 04:46:52 PM
Cloc Mor, in regards to the Downpatrick transfer situation I hear that Peter McKenna's from Saul has definitely gone through.The transfer out is John Smith. He's looking to go to Bright. He used to play for Ballykinlar. An absolute physcho. He's barred from Downpatrick club for life after nuttin their manager Paul Evans last year.

One arrogant disruptive tosser out and one arrogant disruptive tosser in.  Good to see the RGU keeping the quality high.

Cloc Mor, by all accounts it was a Judas action from Smith and big Evans had to be restrained by at least 4 people!

Statto, I'm far from the RGU's number 1 fan but if they have an effective recruitment policy at the primary schools in the town then fair play to them.

Greygoose, good luck at Bright.  New pitch, same scumbags!

In fact , good luck to everyone tonight (with the notable exceptions of Darragh Cross, S*ul and the RGU)!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 13, 2007, 10:56:20 AM
No 1. can you confirm by any chance is Bright's New field open yet ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 13, 2007, 11:21:52 AM
Quote from: No1 on April 13, 2007, 08:33:53 AM

In fact , good luck to everyone tonight (with the notable exceptions of Darragh Cross, S*ul and the RGU)!

What about Ardglass?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 13, 2007, 11:46:46 AM
Good luck tonight goose. I take it you are a Drumgath man, should be a handy one for yis, but first game of the league and a lot of ring rust you'd never know especially away down there. You can be sure you'll get nothing from the refree.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 13, 2007, 12:42:14 PM
Well spotted Fior Gael. I dont know much about the referee but we are short a few players tonight, usual bulls%*t, Dublin boys not getting up in time and County players injured..... Fingers crossed we can get off to a good start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 13, 2007, 01:21:12 PM
5Times , How did DJ behave himself over in Galway ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDunYeGo on April 13, 2007, 01:24:24 PM
Only a few hours till the new season starts, after all the pre season slogging now for the fun!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on April 13, 2007, 02:00:22 PM
I dont think it makes much difference which referee you get because most of them are incompetent and crap.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 13, 2007, 03:08:38 PM
Best wishes to Drumgath this evening. ive heard that some of our dublin based players are not going to travel home for training/matches this year but im still hoping for the best.first of all, im hoping to find brights new pitch !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on April 13, 2007, 03:22:00 PM
Quote from: Cloc Mor on April 13, 2007, 02:00:22 PM
I dont think it makes much difference which referee you get because most of them are incompetent and crap.
Why don't you try to raise standards Cloc Mor by taking up the whistle yourself? Or is it easier to criticise from behind a keyboard? Why do junior footballers always expect Pat McEneanny to turn up and ref their Div 3 league match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 13, 2007, 03:35:10 PM
QuoteWhy do junior footballers always expect Pat McEneanny to turn up and ref their Div 3 league match?

  ;D

Lecale, I can't even bring myself to type their name.  They hardly have internet access on the trawlers anyway!

Greygoose, no idea about their pitch.  You better hope it is open because the council pitch they played on is the worst I have ever had the misfortune to grace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on April 13, 2007, 04:11:03 PM
QuoteWhy don't you try to raise standards Cloc Mor by taking up the whistle yourself? Or is it easier to criticise from behind a keyboard? Why do junior footballers always expect Pat McEneanny to turn up and ref their Div 3 league match?

Too busy big lad.  Mc Eneanny (sic) is as bad as some of them so I wouldn't be happy with him either.  Its the inconsistency that gets me.  A team gets a free at one end yet the same foul at the other end is waved away.  Most lack common sense and some have a chip on their shoulders because the were failed footballers.  God help some clubs tonight when they see the 'man in black' crossing the line.lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 13, 2007, 04:45:11 PM
Is Bacon a referee ???

If not then how to fu*k could he not realise that the standard of refereeing in the county is incompetent and crap. I agree with Cloc Mor's quote " A team gets a free at one end yet the same foul at the other end is waved away.  Most lack common sense ".
Could not have typed a more accurate account myself
Title: Re: result
Post by: bridgegael on April 13, 2007, 08:22:30 PM
'bridge 2.11- 0.10 kilcoo.
ballyholland 5.10- 0.06 clan na banna
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 13, 2007, 08:42:57 PM
 :(

Down ACFL Division 3

Dundrum 0-15  Tullylish 0-16

A very even game. Their free-taking won the day. With a couple of minutes left we were 0-15 to 0-14 up. They then converted two frees while we missed two. Tullylish seemed very tactically aware and were very big and strong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 13, 2007, 09:05:26 PM
ACFL Division 3

Glenn 1-04  Saul 0-06
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 13, 2007, 09:14:27 PM
ACFL Division 4

Ballykinlar 4-10  Aughlisnafin 0-03
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 13, 2007, 09:22:38 PM
ACFL Division 3

St Paul's 2-4  Bosco 3-8

close enough game with us leading 1-3 to 1-2 at half time. missed 1-3 in the first ten minutes of the second half which would have given us a good solid lead to build on but Bosco came down the field, scored a goal and the heads dropped. Bosco then got another goal and the game was virtually over as a contest. got a goal back but we never looked like we could claw back the difference. A lot of improvement needed from us, but we definately have it in us to play better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 13, 2007, 09:23:17 PM
ACFL DIVISION 3

BRIGHT 1-8  DRUMGATH 0-12

Worst refereeing ive witnessed for quite some time. He spoiled the game for both teams. He was even pushed in the chest by a Bright player at one stage but took no action against him ! Just glad we won.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on April 13, 2007, 09:43:46 PM
Ballymartin v Shamrocks; DRAW
Downpatrick v Warrenpoint; DOWNPATRICK
Ballyholland v Clann Na Banna; BALLYHOLLAND
Kilclief v Darragh Cross; NOT SURE
Glasdrumman v Annaclone; DRAW
Carryduff v Saval; SAVAL

Havent got exact scores.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on April 13, 2007, 10:35:50 PM
Glasdrumman 1-10 Annaclone 0-13

Annaclone very lucky to get a draw with a point in injury time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 13, 2007, 10:42:52 PM
ACFL Division 3

Ardglass 1-09  Bredagh 0-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on April 13, 2007, 10:44:34 PM
ACFL Div 4

Aghaderg 1.13 St Johns 2.11

Great win away from home, Johnnies were 6 up 5 minutes into the second half but Aghaderg kept clawing it back and got within a point at the end.  Not the best refereeing performance to say the least!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 13, 2007, 10:48:35 PM
ACFL Division 2

Downpatrick 0-18  Warrenpoint 0-07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 14, 2007, 10:05:59 AM
ACFL DIVISION 3

BRIGHT 1-8  DRUMGATH 0-12

Worst refereeing ive witnessed for quite some time. He spoiled the game for both teams. He was even pushed in the chest by a Bright player at one stage but took no action against him ! Just glad we won.

Torgeal

I never seen a more pathetic performance by a referee. How can a referee not discipline a player after being pushed in the chest twice. What a coward, i think he was afraid of Bright players. Anyhow good to get the win. It was always going to be a tricky game on such a tight pitch.
Title: Re: mayobridge 2.11-0.10 kilcoo
Post by: bridgegael on April 14, 2007, 10:21:48 AM
a well deserved win here for the bridge.  their work rate and tackling was top class.  looking forward to monday night. 


greygoose- how did your county men perform?? our men looked a bit tired after their training in meath although they still played well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on April 14, 2007, 02:10:57 PM
Friday 13th April
SFL 1
Atticall 0:9 Rostrevor 0:14
Bryansford 2:10 Clonduff 2:9
Castlewellan (OFF) Longstone
Mayobridge 2:11 Kilcoo 0:10
Loughinisland 3:9 Burren 0:7
An Riocht 0:11 Liatroim 0:11
SFL 2
Ballymartin 1:8 Shamrocks 0:11
Downpatrick 0:18 Warrenpoint 0:7
Ballyholland 5:9 Clann Na Banna 0:6
Kilclief 0:14 Darragh Cross 0:12
Glasdrumman 1:10 Annaclone 0:13
Carryduff 1:4 Saval 0:10
SFL 3
Bright 1:8 Drumgath 0:12
Teconnaught 2:6 Mitchels 0:15
Dundrum 0:15 Tullylish 0:16
Glenn 1:5 Saul 0:6
St. Pauls 2:4 Bosco 3:8
Ardglass 1:9 Bredagh 0:12
SFL 4
Aghaderg 1:13 St Johns 2:11
Ballykinlar 4:10 Aughlisnafin 0:3
Dromara 1:7 Drumaness 0:15

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 14, 2007, 02:59:10 PM
Bridgegael. The Drumgath county men fared ok. Connell was never really troubled and was unlucky not to save the penalty Bright scored. Downey seemed to drift in & out of the game but did ok. Jack Lynch didnt play due to injury.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on April 15, 2007, 11:05:40 AM
LEAGUE PREDICTIONS - ROUND 2

SFL 1
Rostrevor v Bryansford      ROSTREVOR
Clonduff v Atticall      CLONDUFF
Longstone v Mayobridge   MAYOBRIDGE
Kilcoo v Castlewellan      KILCOO
Burren v An Riocht      AN RIOCHT
Liatroim v Loughinisland   LOUGHINISLAND

SFL 2
Shamrocks v Downpatrick   DOWNPATRICK
Warrenpoint v Ballymartin   BALLYMARTIN
Clann Na Banna v Kilclief   KILCLIEF
Darragh Cross v Ballyholland   BALLYHOLLAND
Annaclone v Carryduff      ANNACLONE
Saval v Glasdrumman      SAVAL

SFL 3
Drumgath v Teconnaught   DRUMGATH
Mitchels v Bright      MITCHELS
Tullylish v Glenn      TULLYLISH
Saul v Dundrum      SAUL
Bosco v Ardglass      BOSCO
Bredagh v St Paul's      BREDAGH

SFL 4
Drumaness v St Michael's   DRUMANESS
Aughlisnafin v Dromara      DROMARA
St John's v Ballykinlar      ST. JOHNS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 15, 2007, 07:48:32 PM
Goose I told you that yis would be lucky enough to get out of bright with a win on the first day of the season. Referees down there are far worse than south Down, and thats saying something. How's the kilcoo man playing for yis?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 16, 2007, 08:26:31 AM
Lecale, probably a stupid question but I assume the match tonight is at Cherryvale, after you were unduly kicked of it at the end of last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 16, 2007, 08:43:36 AM
Quote from: Fíor Gael on April 15, 2007, 07:48:32 PM
Goose I told you that yis would be lucky enough to get out of bright with a win on the first day of the season. Referees down there are far worse than south Down, and thats saying something. How's the kilcoo man playing for yis?

Kilcoo man had an average games by his standards on Fri nite, Scored a few points mostly from free's, missed a one on one with the keeper should of scored a goal. Overall he can perform much better, more expected from him tonight. ( Just need him @ his game and mind of his woman).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 16, 2007, 09:16:37 AM
Quote from: stpauls on April 16, 2007, 08:26:31 AM
Lecale, probably a stupid question but I assume the match tonight is at Cherryvale, after you were unduly kicked of it at the end of last year?
Yeah it's Cherryvale. I'll not be there unfortunately. Minor hurling team are away to Portaferry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 16, 2007, 09:19:45 AM
Cheers Lecale, good luck in Portaferry!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 16, 2007, 09:27:21 AM
Work in progress at the Marshes

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 16, 2007, 12:23:04 PM
Atticall 0:9 Rostrevor 0:14
Bryansford 2:10 Clonduff 2:9
Castlewellan (OFF) Longstone
Mayobridge 2:11 Kilcoo 0:10
Loughinisland 3:9 Burren 0:7
An Riocht 0:11 Liatroim 0:11

No real surprises in the first round of games apart from the Loughinisland Burren scoreline.  Its not a massive surprise that the Island won this game but the scoreline reflects a bit of a hiding being handed out.  Were Burren missing many players? 

The Bridge Kilcoo game was a tight enough affair probably tighter than the scoreline reflects.  This was a real hard hitting encounter and fair play to both teams they took the hits and got on with it.

Attical look destined to struggle in the division, maybe when starred games come up the might get enough points to save themselves from dropping straight back down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 16, 2007, 12:45:01 PM
Sense has prevailed and Brendan Grant is back on the Down panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 16, 2007, 01:14:04 PM
Good news , now we need someone to persuade Skullion back .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 16, 2007, 01:17:11 PM
  AM, Attical should be in Div 1 next year no matter how they go if the proposed changes go through.

 Anyone know if the Down squad listed in the Irish News for their Fantasy GAA team competition is the actual squad for the championship?  Grant and McComiskey are named and McGourty is still there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 16, 2007, 03:46:47 PM
Burren v An Riocht and Tullylish v Glenn are not taking place tonight (Monday). They have been postponed.


O'NEILLS INTERNATIONAL SPORTS WEAR LEAGUE
 
Tuesday 17th April 6:45pm
SFL Div 1
Downpatrick v Shanrocks
 
Thursday 19th April 6:45pm
SFL Div 1
Rostrevor v Loughinisland
 
Friday 20th April 6:45pm
SFL 1
Atticall v Longstone
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Mayobridge v Liatroim
Castlewellan v Burren
An Riocht v Clonduff

SFL 2
Ballymartin v Clann Na Banna
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Saval
Ballyholland v Annaclone
Glasdrumman v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Warrenpoint

SFL 3
Bright v Tullylish
Teconnaught v Saul
Glenn v Bredagh
Dundrum v Bosco
St. Pauls v Drumgath
Ardglass v Mitchels

SFL 4
Ballykinlar v Aghaderg
Dromara v St Johns
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
 
Sunday 22nd April 2pm
PRFL 1
Burren v Mayobridge
Kilcoo v Downpatrick
Liatroim v Rostrevor
Longstone v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff

PRFL 2
Annaclone v Kilclief
Castlewellan v Saul
Ballymartin v Carryduff
Loughinisland v Tullylish
 
Monday 23rd April 7pm
SFL 1 
Rostrevor v Castlewellan
Clonduff v Mayobridge
Longstone v Loughinisland
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Burren v Atticall
Liatroim v Bryansford   

SFL 2
Shamrocks v Ballyholland
Warrenpoint v Kilclief
ClannNa Bana v Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Carryduff
Annaclone v Ballymartin
Saval v Downpatrick

SFL 3
Drumgath v Dundrum
Mitchels v Glenn
Tullylish v St Paul's
Saul v Ardglass
Bosco v Bright
Bredagh v Teconnaught

SFL 4
Aughlisnafin v Drumaness
St. Johns v St. Michaels
Aghaderg v Dromara
 
DOWN HURLING FIXTURES
Tuesday 17th April 6:45pm
Democrat Media Leagues
Div 1
Ballycran v Ballygalget
Kilclief v Liatroim
Portaferry v Ballela

Div 2
Clonduff v Portaferry
Castlewellan v Warrenpoint
Ballygalget v Ballycran
Bredagh v Ballyvarley
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 16, 2007, 04:02:45 PM
Is there a reason tonights round of games couldn't have been played yesterday evening?  These 6:45 games are a real pain for anyone who has any sort of commute or an un-understanding boss or both as it is in my case.   >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 16, 2007, 04:14:47 PM
Reserve football yesterday Aidan. It'll all settle down in a weeek or two when the nights are a wee bit brighter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 16, 2007, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 16, 2007, 04:02:45 PM
Is there a reason tonights round of games couldn't have been played yesterday evening?  These 6:45 games are a real pain for anyone who has any sort of commute or an un-understanding boss or both as it is in my case.   >:(


He mustnt be too bad of a boss considering the amount of time you spend posting messages on this site!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 16, 2007, 04:39:12 PM
i see where you are coming from amallon, i wouldnt like to be the ardglass or downpatrick boys - both have to be in newry for 6.45 throw in. id say they would have to be meeting at their respective clubhouses shortly. at least the weather is good!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 16, 2007, 04:39:56 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 16, 2007, 12:23:04 PM
Atticall 0:9 Rostrevor 0:14
Bryansford 2:10 Clonduff 2:9
Castlewellan (OFF) Longstone
Mayobridge 2:11 Kilcoo 0:10
Loughinisland 3:9 Burren 0:7
An Riocht 0:11 Liatroim 0:11

Bryansford 2.9 Clonduff 3.8 was the correct score - Benny Corrigan condemned Bryansford to defeat!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDunYeGo on April 16, 2007, 04:47:05 PM
Just saw the photos Lecale posted of the Marshes, was wondering where Shamrocks will be playing their home league games ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 16, 2007, 08:40:38 PM
Drumgath 3 - 14 v 3 - 4 Teconnaught,
Easy win for Drumgath this evening. Winning by 8 points @ Half Time took foot off the pedal the 2nd Half some what by letting in 2 slack goals.
Overall a slicker performance than Friday past.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on April 16, 2007, 08:46:28 PM
St Pauls lost their second game away to Bredagh by 7 or 8 points. We were 2 down at half-time but did well in the first 20 of the second half and were still 2 down when their sub got a goal with his first touch. Bredagh seem faster than last year- we are still missing a few and were unlucky to have a man sent off for a second yellow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 16, 2007, 08:48:34 PM
Have to agree with greygoose. Far better performance from Drumgath tonight but they are going to start playing fo the full 60 minutes in matches. They went to sleep for periods of tonights game and better teams would have punished them. Thought Declan Sheerin had a fine game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on April 16, 2007, 08:49:49 PM
Im lead to believe clann na banna beat kilclief by 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 16, 2007, 09:08:32 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on April 16, 2007, 08:48:34 PM
Have to agree with greygoose. Far better performance from Drumgath tonight but they are going to start playing fo the full 60 minutes in matches. They went to sleep for periods of tonights game and better teams would have punished them. Thought Declan Sheerin had a fine game.

Declan Sheerin had a stormer in Mid field,P Downey also had a fine game @ Mid field. Seamus Hynes was @ his best in full back, The kilcoo lad came into it in 2nd half and McCabe was slow to start off but scored 2 fine goals. Defensively in the 1st half Drumgath were on fire hounding all the Teconnaught forwards with M Connolly & J Lynch leading the line and encouraging others around them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on April 16, 2007, 09:17:11 PM
mayobridge and longstone drew 1 10 each
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on April 16, 2007, 09:21:01 PM
Annaclone 1-10 Carryduff 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 16, 2007, 09:41:10 PM
Bredagh beat St Pauls 2-10 to 1-07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 16, 2007, 09:41:26 PM
 ;D

Down ACFL Division 3

Saul 2-06  Dundrum 2-09

Not a great game. We were very poor. Bad passing and over carrying aswell as bad tackling. Saul seemed pretty much at full tilt. They aren't a great side and it looks like they will struggle this year.
Title: Sunday Results EDR Leaguel
Post by: ITOB on April 16, 2007, 10:01:41 PM
Sunday 15th April   East Down Reserve Football League Result's

Bryansford 3-11 Carryduff 0-04  (predictable)
Drumaness 2-10 Bright 4-05  (Good away win)
Liatriom 3-07 Teconnaught 1-10  (surprise good away performance)
St Paul's 3-08 Kilcoo 2-10  (Com'on The Pauls - big result against one of the favorites)
Dundrum 0-10 Bredagh 3-13  (good away win)
St John's 3-13 Ardglass 2-08  (predictable)
Castlewellan 5-12 Darragh Cross 3-06  (Good effort by Darragh but the clear favorites to win outright are looking good)r
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 16, 2007, 10:11:36 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 16, 2007, 09:41:26 PM
;D

Down ACFL Division 3

Saul 2-06  Dundrum 2-09

Not a great game. We were very poor. Bad passing and over carrying aswell as bad tackling. Saul seemed pretty much at full tilt. They aren't a great side and it looks like they will struggle this year.


How did your new county senior man play tonight Down Fanatic?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 16, 2007, 10:15:16 PM
Harps squeezed past a determined Darragh Cross and a home town ref by a point. Any other 2nd division scorelines?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 16, 2007, 10:19:06 PM
East Down refereeing is brutal !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 16, 2007, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on April 16, 2007, 10:19:06 PM
East Down refereeing is brutal !

TORGAEL would u like to elaborate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 16, 2007, 10:27:47 PM
Quote from: greygoose on April 16, 2007, 08:40:38 PM
Drumgath 3 - 14 v 3 - 4 Teconnaught,
Easy win for Drumgath this evening. Winning by 8 points @ Half Time took foot off the pedal the 2nd Half some what by letting in 2 slack goals.
Overall a slicker performance than Friday past.

2 out of two goose, good start. How are your 3 county players doing? How do you think yis will cope without them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 16, 2007, 10:29:11 PM
I dont think i have to... i believe you were in Bright last friday night....enough said !......if you can manhandle the referee and he does nothing about it.............
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 16, 2007, 10:43:11 PM
Quote from: Fíor Gael on April 16, 2007, 10:27:47 PM
Quote from: greygoose on April 16, 2007, 08:40:38 PM
Drumgath 3 - 14 v 3 - 4 Teconnaught,
Easy win for Drumgath this evening. Winning by 8 points @ Half Time took foot off the pedal the 2nd Half some what by letting in 2 slack goals.
Overall a slicker performance than Friday past.

2 out of two goose, good start. How are your 3 county players doing? How do you think yis will cope without them?

County players we have not really seen much of them before last friday. Bernard in Goals can do much better needs to be more of an influence in goals, Jackie injured and Packie played better this evening.   
So far we have not met the so called "sterner" teams in our division. I think if we play these teams without our 3 x County players we will find the going tough.

Jack Lynch has not appeared yet through injury and though Sheerin has been playin well any team would struggle without what is Argueably their best player on Board.

Downey up from will be missed for his role as a target man and his ability to get a few scores per game.

Connell well we dont really have any other options for goals so say no more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 16, 2007, 10:59:39 PM
Bryansford beat by 9 points in rostrevor, kilcoo tanked castlewellan by 11, clonduff bt attical by 9 and l'island and leitrim drew.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 16, 2007, 11:51:29 PM
Caitlin,

welcome to the board!! Didn't know you were a St. Paul's woman, what did you think of the performance? you will have to intorduce yourself on friday evening if you are about!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 17, 2007, 08:15:46 AM
Banbridge beat Kilclief by 3.  Deserved win for the home side although Kilclief were brutal. 

Both Kilclief midfielders received straight reds in the dying minutes of an already lost game. 

It's gonna be a long hard season for us.

Any other Div 2 results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 17, 2007, 09:14:27 AM
DOWN GAA RESULTS

O'NEILL SPORTSWEAR LEAGUES

MONDAY 16TH APRIL

SFL 1

Rostrevor 1:15 Bryansford 1:6

Clonduff 3:10 Atticall 0:10

Longstone 1:10 Mayobridge 1:10

Kilcoo 1:16 Castlewellan 0:7

Burren (off) An Riocht

Liatroim 0:11 Loughinisland 0:11

SFL 2

Warrenpoint (off) Ballymartin

Clann Na Banna 2:12 Kilclief 1:12

Darragh Cross 1:4 Ballyholland 0:8

Annaclone 1:10 Carryduff 1:7

Saval 2:12 Glasdrumman 0:8

SFL 3

Drumgath 3:14 Teconnaught 3:4

Mitchels 1:9 Bright 1:8

Tullylish (off) Glenn

Saul 2:6 Dundrum 2:9

Bosco 2:13 Ardglass 0:12

Bredagh 2:10 St Pauls 1:7

SFL 4

Drumaness 1:18 St Michaels 2:8

Aughlisnafin 0:7 Dromara 1:15

St Johns 0:14 Ballykinlar 0:6


The Bridge were really made to work for this draw last night.  We were 0-5 to 0-0 down at one stage in the first half.  It took a screamer of a goal by Noel Sexton with 12 minutes to go to get us back into it.  The Stone will be disappointed that they didn't manage to hold on for the win, but our boys showed a lot of guts to hual themselves back into the game.  Benny wasn't playing for us last night, he has an ankle injury but he should be ok for Friday night against Laitroim. 

Looking at the rest of the results there are few surprises.  Kilcoo gave the town an severe hiding there and seemed to have bounced back from their opening day defeat.  Rostrevor and Clonduff have 2 wins out of two as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 17, 2007, 11:11:55 AM
Anybody able to post this weekend's fixtures from the IN? I heard mondays program is getting the shepherds crook, maybe just wishful thinking on my behalf as i'll be three thousand miles from where i'd want to be on monday night.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 17, 2007, 11:46:58 AM
Passedit - Any reason why Monday nights fixtures would be pulled?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 17, 2007, 11:50:06 AM
Full programme of fixtures for Monday night according to the IN.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 17, 2007, 12:07:35 PM
Ah bollix, I was told by a rival club manager that these would be off to facilitate county team preparations. I suspected he might be yanking my chain. fyuck fyuck fyuck
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 17, 2007, 12:42:10 PM
Down's 34-man Championship panel is: B Connell, M McVeigh, B Grant, D McCartan, D Cunningham, D Rooney, J Clarke, K McGuigan, M Cole, O Henry, P Murphy, R Murtagh, S Toner, A Carville, C McCrickard, D Gordan, J Lynch, M McClean, P Turley, Aidan Burns, A Carr, B Coulter, B Sweeney, B McGourty, E McCartan, J McGovern, J Boyle, M Walsh, P Downey, P McComiskey, R Sexton and S Kearney.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 17, 2007, 12:46:04 PM
Rafferty / Rodgers / Doyle not there . Thought Doyle warmed up with the team in Galway ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 17, 2007, 12:48:05 PM
so what are peoples opinions on the countys finest named below.
anyone care to hazzard a guess at starting 15 to face Cavan - whetehr it be your own favoured staring line-up or what ye think the management team will start for the championship opener.
Persoanlly i think its not a bad panel considering injuries and availability of players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 17, 2007, 01:41:11 PM
Bad news about Rafferty not making it.

My team for Cavan would be:

M McVeigh
K McGuigan
B Grant
M Cole
R Murtagh
D Rooney
J Clarke
B Coulter
D Gordon
M Walsh
A Burns
R Sexton
P McComiskey
P Downey
D Hughes

Feel free to rip it to shreds!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 17, 2007, 02:10:23 PM
My Down starting 15 for Cavan.

1. B.Connell
2. M.Cole
3. B.Grant
4. K.McGuigan
5. J.Clarke
6. D.Rooney
7. R.Sexton
8. D.Gordon
9. J.Lynch
10. E.McCartan
11. B.Coulter
12. J.McGovern
13. R.Murtagh
14. D.Hughes
15. M.Walsh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 17, 2007, 02:26:56 PM
Hopefully Cavan dont rip us to shreds , No.1

Has Dan McCartan proved himself over the league that he is one of our more reliable defenders ?
Where do we play Benny ? Midfield / Half forward / Full forward ?
Dan Gordan and who if big Jackie goes missing after half time ?
Burns , Downey , McComisky,  big ask to start the three of them (imo)

Still thinking about my 15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on April 17, 2007, 02:34:40 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 16, 2007, 09:41:26 PM
;D

Down ACFL Division 3

Saul 2-06  Dundrum 2-09

Saul seemed pretty much at full tilt. They aren't a great side and it looks like they will struggle this year.
Saul probably where at full tilt last night when you consider their is still eight players to come back from injury one off these lee magee their powerful midfielder as well as a couple off transfers still waiting to be sanctioned i think you will see a different saul come business end off the season,as for duns DF they where at full tilt and lets hope ciairan walsh is not badly injuried as they do need him as saul got the upper hand in midfield when he went off.

Title: Div 3 Standing after 2 rounds
Post by: stpauls on April 17, 2007, 02:37:43 PM
Guys,

I know its early but below is how division 3 looks after 2 rounds.
Not a great start for us so far, but we know we can improve and play a lot better than we have done so far. hope to pick a few points at home and see where we go from there!!

Team   Played   Won   Drew   Lost   GF   PF   GA   PA   Diff   Pts
Bosco   2   2   0   0   5   21   2   16   14   4
Drumgath   2   2   0   0   3   26   4   12   11   4
Mitchels   2   2   0   0   1   24   3   14   4   4
Bredagh   2   1   1   0   2   22   2   16   6   3
Glenn   1   1   0   0   1   5   0   6   2   2
Dundrum   2   1   0   1   2   24   2   22   2   2
Tullylish   1   1   0   0   0   16   0   15   1   2
Bright   2   0   1   1   2   16   1   21   -2   1
Saul   2   0   0   2   2   12   3   14   -5   0
Teconnaught   2   0   0   2   5   10   3   29   -13   0
St. Paul's   2   0   0   2   3   11   5   18   -13   0

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rois on April 17, 2007, 02:54:05 PM
stpauls, you picked up a bit after 15 mins in the first half and seemed OK in the middle of the second half, but I think it may have been helped by Bredagh's anxiousness and unforced errors after your goal in the first half.  There was a period in the first half when anything coming out of the St Pauls half was going straight into the arms of Jody Gormley, not a player I'd pick to send the ball anywhere near. 
I have to say that Bredagh looked very stylish in parts, especially in the closing stages of the match. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 17, 2007, 03:08:11 PM
My team v Cavan.

M.McVeigh
M.Cole
B.Grant
K.McGuigan
R.Murtagh
D.Rooney
J.Clarke
D.Gordon
J.Lynch
M.Walsh
A.Carr
R.Sexton
D.Hughes
B.Coulter
P.Downey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 17, 2007, 03:10:02 PM
ardglass are missing from that table.they have one point so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on April 17, 2007, 03:13:39 PM
My team Vs Cavan
McVeigh
McCartan
Grant
Cole
Henry
Rooney
Clarke
Gordon
McCrickard
Carr
Coulter
Murtagh
Huges
Downey
Walsh
i think midfield will be a problem this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 17, 2007, 03:16:38 PM
Sorry EDG,

find a reviewed table below, can't beleive i left some one out!!

Team   Played   Won   Drew   Lost   GF   PF   GA   PA   Diff   Pts
Bosco   2   2   0   0   5   21   2   16   14   4
Drumgath   2   2   0   0   3   26   4   12   11   4
Mitchels   2   2   0   0   1   24   3   14   4   4
Bredagh   2   1   1   0   2   22   2   16   6   3
Glenn   1   1   0   0   1   5   0   6   2   2
Dundrum   2   1   0   1   2   24   2   22   2   2
Tullylish   1   1   0   0   0   16   0   15   1   2
Bright   2   0   1   1   2   16   1   21   -2   1
Ardglass   2   0   1   1   1   21   2   25   -7   1
Saul   2   0   0   2   2   12   3   14   -5   0
Teconnaught   2   0   0   2   5   10   3   29   -13   0
St. Paul's   2   0   0   2   3   11   5   18   -13   0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 17, 2007, 03:19:52 PM
Off the Laces, Dundrum are no big shakes and neither are yourselves. Really the game could of gone either way. I fully admit we were poor but you's werent much to write home about either. Lee Magee probably would of won you's a good bit of ball around the middle but I thought that the midfield battle last night was pretty even.
Donnan Ritchie is your best player I would say. Played really well in cente half back. Adam King is strong as an ox and done well in midfield. Watching the game I would say that your full back Grape is a weak point aswell as the flank players in your forward line.
Im not convinced that Alan Murray and Conor O'Neill are going to make a seismic impact when they return. Nathan Keenan looks a handy prospect at full forward if he gets himself in shape. I thought Vint was poor. He used to be one of your main threats. Overall, id say we were a tad fitter.
It will be sooner rather than later when you boys start getting a run together. You werent in Division 2 for three years for nothing.
PS - Who are the boys transferring in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 17, 2007, 03:22:12 PM
rois,

it was a pretty even match play wise, we just couldn't seem to put the ball between the posts, were as you were hitting mostly everything. we also missed a few soft frees, were as your kicker was putting over with ease. with regards to you looking slicker in the closing stages, this may have been helped by the lose of our number 4!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 17, 2007, 03:44:06 PM
What i think Ross will go with:

1 - M McVeigh
2 - Dan Mc Cartan
3 - B Grant
4 - M Cole
5 - O Henry
6 - D Rooney
7 - J Clarke
8 - J Lynch
9 - D Gordon
10 - R Sexton
11- M Walsh
12 - J Boyle
13 - R Murtagh
14 - B Coulter
15 - D Hughes


Maybe swap Hughes & Sexton around.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 17, 2007, 03:53:59 PM
heres how i see friday night going.

div3

bright v tullylish-tullylish
teconnaught v saul-teconnaught
glenn v bredagh-draw
dundrum v bosco-bosco
st pauls v drumgath-drumgath
ardglass v mitchells-ardglass

div 4

ballykinlar v aghaderg-aghaderg
dromara v st johns-st johns
st michaels v aughlisnafin-st michaels

good win for st johns the other night away to aghaderg,and also for drumaness to beat st michaels.its a shame there has to be a team sit out every week.div 3 seems to be shaping up well with bosco showing good form.drumgath are proving everybodies expectations correct,while mitchells seem to be proving everyone wrong.ardglass seem slow to start,but shouldnt take long to get going.saul are finding it difficult in their new environment,as are st pauls.their excellent team spirit and organisation were instrumental in taking them up to div 3,but to survive in a higher division scoring forwards are essential.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 17, 2007, 04:02:21 PM
EDG,

i think you hit the nail on the head there with regards to us, that is definately some thing we have been lacking in the last 2 games, with us missing quite a few frees and easy points!!! if we could have taken them, the games may ended up a bit differently. not saying we would have won, but definately would have been closer!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 17, 2007, 06:59:21 PM
1   M McVeigh
2   M Cole
3   B Grant   
4   D McCartan
5   J Clarke
6   D Rooney
7   R Murtagh
8   D Gordon
9   J Lynch
10  J Boyle
11  M Walsh
12  B Coulter
13  D Hughes
14  P Downey
15  P Mc Comiskey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 18, 2007, 12:13:57 AM
Lads, how many of you were in Galway?

How the hell does an average to decent club player like Packie Downey suddenly become a first choice pick at no.14? If we're going to fire aimless balls in at a big full-forward, we'd surely be safer putting Benny in that jersey.

1. M McVeigh - Experience has to count behind a leaky defence
2. M Cole - Only Dee Rafferty is a better corner-back in Down at the moment
3. B Grant - Best we have, and Ross should have been building a defence around him, not without him
4. D Cunningham/D McCartan - I prefer Cunningham as a player, but McCartan has the edge on form
5. R Sexton - His best position. Super-competitive, and intelligent enough to know when to go, when to stay
6. D Rooney - Seems to be doing a job there, here's hoping he carries it into the big time
7. P Murphy - A hint of bias? Perhaps, but he adds a real energy to the half-back line that only his clubmate replicates, and we need his clubmate up front.
8. D Gordon - It's about time big Dan did it in the Championship. Cavan were cute on him last year, let's hope he has learned.
9. B Coulter - We simply need Benny on the ball as often as possible.
10. J Clarke - His only position at this level, but playing very deep to support his defence, and breaking unnoticed to take scores.
11. J Boyle/M Walsh/S Kearney/A Carr - In that order, but whoever is in form. This game could make or break whichever's career.
12. J McGovern - Playing very deep as well, a natural enthusiasm for running should suit his game.
13. R Murtagh - Scoring forward. We don't have many. He has to play close to goal and we have to feed him.
14. E McCartan - or Aidan Burns if Eoin isn't fit. Eoin is more intelliegent player and gets my vote to be a foil for Hughes and Murtagh.
15. D Hughes - Scoring forward. We don't have many. He has to play close to goal and we have to feed him.

With McComiskey primed and ready.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 18, 2007, 10:10:08 AM
Wobbs, I was in Galway, not sure what the relevance of that question is.  

Downey is as good a bet as Eoin McCartan who has done f**k all in my eyes to have the reputation that he has.

Murtagh has been Down's best player in the league from a half back position.  McComiskey can take his spot as a scoring forward.

The only spot for Paul Murphy is midfield, where he would be a far better option than Lynch or McCrickard but a lesser option than Gordon or Coulter.

Cunningham and McCartan are not as quick as McGuigan plus McGuigan looks more comfortable on the ball (granted that may not be a huge attribute for a corner back).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 18, 2007, 10:47:34 AM
Have to agree about Eoin Mc Cartan, has done frig all to warrant a reputation as a top class inter county forward, granted he has his moments but due to injury and lack of form in the past he shouldnt really be in running for startin place against Cavan unless he has seriously shook off all injuries and is 100% fit. Nothing personal against the lad but just dont think he should be in reckoning right now.

For me Downey is quite an enigma, a beast of a lad and quite a good ball player to boot, really dont think he should be overlooked and should definitely be considered. Can be a real pain in the arse for defenders but also has tendency to blow hot and cold but id be more positive abnout him than negative. Poor mans Benny he may be but at the moment he might be the best option there is about.

Its no secret how good a forward Murtagh is/can be/should be but i still cant fathom why we need one of our best forwards playin as a defender, especially when we are lackin firepower up front. He might have been one of the more better players through the league campaign but that probably reflects the teams mediocraty aswell as murtaghs talents, for me its the forward line primarily and then if we somehow suddenly grow 5 top class forwards out of nowhere maybe try him as a defender. Move him up front and put his league replacement into defence, either Henry or Cunningham.

The only spot for Paul Murphy is Midfield as No1 stated and even at that he hasnt a)had enough games there to prove his worth in league or challenges and b)hasnt been impressive when he had the chance. Cant say he would be a better option than mc crickard or lynch, three of them probably on a par, but quality club midfeilders i Down dont always make good intercounty midfielders. When your missing ambrose in there and ye consider our midfielder options its seriously our weakest line in the field.

Cunningham is a good ball player but a teak tough defender he aint, Mc Cartan & Mc Guigan are both nastier, grittier players imho and should be ahead of him in peckin order.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 18, 2007, 11:39:56 AM
Down ACFL Division 2

Downpatrick 2-09  Shamrocks 3-04

Played last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 18, 2007, 12:19:44 PM
                  McVeigh ,
   Cole , Grant , McCartan / McGuigan
         Clarke , Rooney , Murtagh
                  Gordan , Lynch
           Sexton , Coulter , Walsh
  McCartan / McComiskey , Burns ,  Hughes .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on April 18, 2007, 12:40:45 PM
Downs Strength over the past few seasons has been there forwards, but i think that with Murtagh now being deployed as half back Down can use this to there advantage in setting up attacks from deep in their own half. If Ross were to play Murtagh and Sexton at 5 and 7 respectively, this would give Down a great base on which to build forward. If Clarke were at 10 or 12, he could sweep back and cover with Rooney allowing the two half backs the freedom to push forward.
This would be my starting 15 anyway:
Connel
McCartan
Grant
Cole
Murtagh
Rooney
Sexton
Gordon
Lynch
Clarke
Walsh
Coulter
Boyle
Downey
Hughes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 18, 2007, 03:08:45 PM
Due to club games I've only the Westmeath and Armagh games so I'm not going to even attempt to pick a down team.  I thought the decision to play Murtagh at wing back worked really well in Westmeath and on that performanace I'd play him in defence.  His distribution into the forwards was good and he was able to run the ball out of defence when it was needed. 

I saw Connell in the McKenna cup and wasn't overly impressed, maybe he has come on from then. 

There has to be a place on this Down team from Ronan Sexton, he has been unreal for the Bridge in the first two league games.  He is in excellent condition, in fact I'd say I've never seen him looking fitter or stronger. 

Michael Walsh may be a doubt, he is over his injury but is a long way from being match fit.  Michael will be bursting himself to get into contention for the championship and it would be a big boost to Down if he was able to make it.  Brendan Grant isn't a corner back, he will be caught for pace.  He is a full back or chb, I'd prefer full back.

Any word of any challenge games coming up?  Down were supposed to play Dublin at the opening of Saval field, but I've heard there is a change of opposition.  Anyone know more about this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 18, 2007, 03:20:57 PM
amallon, Down play Louth now in the opening of Savals pitch. I think it's down for the 29th of April.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 18, 2007, 04:45:29 PM
Why are they opening Saval's pitch? Have they a new one or have they done more work to it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 18, 2007, 05:10:29 PM
They have a new field parallel to their old field.  They have a fantastic setup down there, a credit to all involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 18, 2007, 10:18:04 PM
Wobbler I wouldn't let you near a team. If the current Down management team have done nothing else at least they have found the best position to get the most out of the undoubtedly talented murtagh. A scoring forward???? How many points has he scored for Down in the championship all together?  Whats his points per game ratio? John Clarkes best position is half forward??? Where did you get that from?? Eoin McCartan hardly likely to be match fit now, is he?? Paul Murphy is a very good club footballer but as he showed in the championship last year he just doesnt cut it at this level. Ronan Sexton at wing back???? Wise up!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 18, 2007, 11:31:03 PM
1. McVeigh, shades Connell on experience and kick-outs.
2. Cole, our best defender.
3. Grant, decent rather than outstanding, but our only real option.
4. McCartan, will let no one down.
5. Murtagh, the switch to wing-half has gone well.
6. Rooney, a certainty on league form.
7. Clarke, can be erratic but has the ability.
8. Gordon, inconsistent but the only intercounty midfielder in the squad.
9. Coulter, a risk out of position but far from his best up front this season.
10.Sexton, while he may not be big enough, just about deserves a start.
11. Burns, very raw and lacks confidence, but a ball winner with a good left foot.
12. Carr, if others win possession for him, can make an impact.
13. Walsh, possibly his last chance and needs to drop deep.
14. Downey, bit of a gamble but what have we got to lose ?
15. Hughes, automatic choice.

If either Rafferty, Molloy or particulary Doyle were available, I would be very tempted to leave out Walsh and play a seventh defender. Even after his nightmare in Ballybofey, a fully match-fit Eoin McCartan might shade Downey. McGovern is also pretty close, but the big hope has to be McComiskey coming off the bench in the last quarter. It could all go horribly wrong, but we are not without a chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 18, 2007, 11:33:26 PM
No.1 - My point about Galway was that Packie Downey must have made a hell of an impression to force his way into a Championship slot. By all accounts he was good, and he's undoubtedly a handful, but based on what I've seen, I just don't see him as a Championship player (yet).

Fiór Gael, we could argue all day and all night about the virtues of the team I've selected over that which Ross will. But Down's record in the National League this year would suggest that he would be better off copying Paddy O'Rourke's team from last year and trying to get the very best out of them, than persisting with his current offerings. Let's not forget that although Down were a disorganised mess against Donegal, especially woeful at midfield, the individual talent on display still managed to take a very useful Tir Connail side right to the wire.

As for those selections you disagree with:
- Murtagh has pace, skill, determination and can shoot off either foot. He has a pure attacker's instinct. That makes him a more dangerous proposition in the full-forward line than just about any other option we have. Down's struggling defence don't particularly need a player amongst them whose first thoughts are to bomb forward, but they could well use a scoring forward at the other end to remove some of the pressure on them.
- I watch a lot of club football. I've seen John Clarke play at no.6, no.8, no.10 and no.11 for An Riocht, and the further down the field you move him, the less effective he gets. He is a strong athletic lad, but he is not a man-marker by any stretch of the imagination. His greatest asset is his shooting, followed by his ability to find space, followed by his athleticism. In other words, much of what you need from a wing-forward. I really wish people would stop thinking him as a corner-back just because he played there in his minor days.
- I doubt Eoin McCartan will be match fit, well not for 70 minutes of Championship football anyway. He's a very different player to Burns (my second choice) though, and I prefer his style of play. I think he'd be a great foil for Hughes and Murtagh.
- Paul Murphy has played 4 Championship games for Down at wing-back. In 3 of them he excelled (Fermanagh (even though he got red carded), Derry and Cavan). In the other game he ran into one of the finds of the season, Rory Kavanagh, and got a hard time of it. But so did every Down defender that day, destroyed as they were they at midfield. I never in my life would have picked Murph out as a wing-back from his club career, but by and large he has done very well there.
- I've seen a fair bit of Mayobridge over the past 3-4 years, and Ronan Sexton has generally been the oustanding player in their team during that time. The best performances I've seen from him have been at wing-back. I don't need any more evidence than that of where his best position is.




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 19, 2007, 09:40:14 AM
I agree that Murtagh has shone at half back but Wobblers point about him being a scoring forward is valid , someone mentioned his points per game ratio for Down , while that might stack up on paper it doesn't take into account "the give it in to Benny" game plan that we have used for a number of years now . He and our other forwards have been living off the scraps from Benny's table. That's why I would have Benny  further out the field  , on the ball as much as possible making and taking chances . Instead of standing in the full forward line waiting for the ball that rarely comes .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on April 19, 2007, 10:44:17 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on April 19, 2007, 10:30:45 AM
Murtaghs move to the half back line has been one of the few positives of the year, why change it? We seem to have a problem moving the ball quickly up the field. Murtagh may solve this, after all he is attack minded.

There are so many things wrong with that statement.

Down's problems over the last few years has been finding defenders who can defend. you have often scored heavily and lost games due to a porous defence. both games i saw Murtagh play wing back he compounded this problem. attacked well, chipping in with a couple of points but got very badly exposed defensively and was responsible for the concession of at least twice what he created. armagh have the same problem with aaron kernan and it would never be tolerated only for who he is.
Down certainly have a problem moving the ball quickly up the field. that is because every one of your numbskull "defenders" take every opportunity to toe tap the ball to death. no matter how fast you toe tap the ball its way slower than moving it on. Boy does murtagh like to carry the ball so, again, you are compounding that particular problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on April 19, 2007, 10:46:36 AM
Anyone got the results from the MFL played last night?

Heard St Johns beat Kilcoo by 5 or 6 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 19, 2007, 10:58:07 AM
Johnnie99, that is a superb result for your Minors. Just wondering, have the likes of the Flanangan twins, Ryan Gibney or Gerard McAnulty made the step up to your Seniors yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on April 19, 2007, 11:42:54 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 19, 2007, 10:58:07 AM
Johnnie99, that is a superb result for your Minors. Just wondering, have the likes of the Flanangan twins, Ryan Gibney or Gerard McAnulty made the step up to your Seniors yet?

Ryan has made the step up, starred for the 2s last weekend but is only a matter of time before he is a regular for the 1s.  The Flanagn twins will be involved in the setup later in the year I would say, and may just be too soon for McAnulty as I think he is still U16 so cannot make the step up yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale3 on April 19, 2007, 12:05:15 PM
Minor results:

Bredagh beat Teconnaught
Laitroim/Dromara beat Dundrum/Ballykinlar
Carryduff beat Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on April 19, 2007, 12:21:45 PM
Saul beat St Pauls in MFL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 19, 2007, 02:17:03 PM
Redictions for Friday.

Friday 20th April 6:45pm
SFL 1
Atticall v Longstone - Atticall to get first win with a suprise derby victory
Bryansford v Kilcoo - Nip and tuck but Kilcoo's firepower to see them through
Mayobridge v Liatroim - The Bridge to win handy enough
Castlewellan v Burren - Draw. Both teams to cancel each other out
An Riocht v Clonduff - An Riocht squeeze past in the final ten

SFL 2
Ballymartin v Clann Na Banna - Ballymartin to win with some to spare
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross - Close game with Downpatrick coming out on top
Kilclief v Saval - Saval by a cricket score
Ballyholland v Annaclone - Close call. Ballyholland by one
Glasdrumman v Shamrocks - Glasdrumman get a suprise win
Carryduff v Warrenpoint - The Duff break their duck with a fine win

SFL 3
Bright v Tullylish - Tullylish by a couple of points especially if game is played in Killough
Teconnaught v Saul - Saul to get maiden win with a gritty performance
Glenn v Bredagh - Bredagh to go to town on weak Glenn defence
Dundrum v Bosco - No Comment
St. Pauls v Drumgath - Drumgath to hit at least four goals and romp home
Ardglass v Mitchels -Ardglass to grab the two points

SFL 4
Ballykinlar v Aghaderg - Aghaderg to coast to victory at the coast
Dromara v St Johns - Local derby may tighten things up but St Johns will be too good
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin - The Fin may put it up to St Micks for the first 30 seconds but after that it will be all Magherlin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on April 19, 2007, 03:41:14 PM
Friday 20th April 6:45pm
SFL 1
Atticall v Longstone - The Stone by 5
Bryansford v Kilcoo - Kilcoo by 4.
Mayobridge v Liatroim - The Bridge by 6
Castlewellan v Burren - Burren by 2.
An Riocht v Clonduff - An Riocht by 4.

SFL 2
Ballymartin v Clann Na Banna - Ballymartin to win by 5.
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross - Downpatrick by 6.
Kilclief v Saval - Kilclief by 2.
Ballyholland v Annaclone - Ballyholland by 6
Glasdrumman v Shamrocks - Draw.
Carryduff v Warrenpoint - Carryduff by 2.

SFL 3
Bright v Tullylish - Tullylish
Teconnaught v Saul - Saul
Glenn v Bredagh - Bredagh
Dundrum v Bosco - Bosco
St. Pauls v Drumgath - Drumgath
Ardglass v Mitchels -Draw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 19, 2007, 04:52:14 PM
Friday 20th April 6:45pm
SFL 1
Atticall v Longstone - Longstone to win well.  This could be explosive!
Bryansford v Kilcoo - Kilcoo's by 5
Mayobridge v Liatroim - Bridge by 5ish
Castlewellan v Burren - I'd go for Burren but with little conviction
An Riocht v Clonduff - Clonduff

SFL 2
Ballymartin v Clann Na Banna - Ballymartin
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross - Downpatrick
Kilclief v Saval - Saval
Ballyholland v Annaclone - Ballyholland but watch the Clone tackles, dangerous
Glasdrumman v Shamrocks - Shams
Carryduff v Warrenpoint - Point

SFL 3
Bright v Tullylish - Tullylish
Teconnaught v Saul - ???
Glenn v Bredagh - ???
Dundrum v Bosco - Bosco
St. Pauls v Drumgath - Drumgath by loads
Ardglass v Mitchels - Mitchels

SFL 4
Ballykinlar v Aghaderg - Derg
Dromara v St Johns - ??
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin - St Michaels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Class of 99 on April 19, 2007, 07:59:42 PM
I hope everyones optimism regarding Danny Hughes starting is well founded.
Looking at his league campaign I think Ross just doesnt fancy him!
Im hoping he was keeping his powder dry for the championship something
POR never thought of doing. There is no doubt the hard ground will suit his pace and given
the right supply of ball he is worth  scores a game.
Hoping Ross keeps the half bak line the same as the league, as it looked solid and Murtaghs hunger
allowed us win some breaking ball something again lacking under POR.
My team (For what it is worth)
Mcveigh
Mcguiggan
Grant
Cole
Clarke
Rooney
Murtagh
Lynch
Gordon
Sexton
Walsh
Coulter
Hughes
Burns
McComiskey.

Heres hoping we get a few good challenge matched between now and Cavan and
build some much needed confidence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 19, 2007, 09:36:57 PM
This is the team I would choose, from the panel available and the reasons why:

1. M. McVeigh - Strong kick outs, reliable and a big presence
2. M.Cole - Fast, hard and good on the ball.
3. D. Mc Cartan - It's a problem position, he's the best available.
4. K. McGuigan - Fast and strong, and has to get the nod as D. Raff is injured.
5. R. Murtagh - Has excelled in this role.
6. D. Rooney - I wasn't a fan at the start but he's getting better and more assured with every game.
7. J. Clarke - Coming in to form at the right tim.
8. D Gordan - Getting back to his best and a lot depends on his performances.
9. J Lynch - I think he'll stand up to the challenge, and he has the ability to play a big role.
10. J. Boyle - has the speed, workrate and football brain to hold down this position.
11. M Walsh - Only if he's firing on all cylinders, but this is his best position and it's crucial for brake ball so I hope he finds form.
12. B. Coulter - This position allows Benny to help out the mid field, be involved in the game more without having to wait on others to get the ball into him, orchestrate moves and most importantly run at defences. It's in this position we'll get the most out of our best player.
13. D Hughes - Speed, talent, and a free scoring forward.
14. P. Downey- Big, strong, fast target man with good feet. Bags of ability and back on form after nasty ankle break. Unproven at this level but worth the gamble.
15. P McComiskey - Hasn't even played for Down seniors yet but I feel he could make a big impact, raw pace, surprisingly strong with a low centre of gravity, fearless and plays with a swagger and confidence that has been lacking in Down players for a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 19, 2007, 09:58:23 PM
Down ACFL Division 1

Rostrevor 1-08  Loughinisland 1-03

Went to the game cuz I had feck all else to do. It was 0-03 to 0-02 to Rostrevor at halftime. The 2nd half picked up a bit. Rostrevor got four good scores in a row midway through while Loughinisland found it hard to get back into the game during the closing stages.
Rostrevors game is the short hand pass. I was sad enough to count their kicking tally. Not including line balls, kickouts, scores and frees, Rostrevor only kicked the ball seven times. They had the pace and fitness to run the whole field doing one -twos. It was very strange to watch.
Martin Cole and Kevin McGrath were excellent in the defence as was Eddie Magee. However, Sean Farrell was man of the match in centre half back. He's one hard C*nt. Up front Eamon McConville, Colm Clerkin and Joe Fegan were excellent.
Alan Molloy was steady enough for the Island while Niall McCarthy showed well in midfield.
However, I always take pleasure in a Loughinisland team getting beat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 20, 2007, 08:22:51 AM
Boys, will yiz stop with Jackie Lynch.  

Please tell me what you saw during the league to suggest he is an inter county championship midfielder?  

I have stated many times that he is a fine club midfielder, but that's it.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 20, 2007, 08:59:40 AM
No1.....re Jackie Lynch.........whats your alternative ?....its not like we are blessed with outstanding midfielders, so whom do you suggest ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 20, 2007, 09:08:54 AM
 TOR, don't get me wrong, it's not personal.  Last year in the club championship replay he absolutely destroyed us at midfield but he has had plenty of chances at county level and hasn't cut it.

  I'd have Paul Murphy or Collie McCrickard from the current panel in there ahead of him, and that's saying something because I sure as f**k don't rate Collie McCrickard!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 20, 2007, 09:28:48 AM
he has had plenty of chances at county level and hasn't cut it.

Surely that would apply to both Mc Crickard and Murphy also to an extent.
There are no decent midfielders in Down, simple as. Im no Lynch fan, and dont buy into the hype around him generated by one decent season and an over-zealous media, but he is entitled to a shot at a championship berth is he not, both Mc Crickard & Murphy have had championaship run outs and both havent been a great success so why not let Lynch in there too.
Anythehoo, thats a longer term problem, id be more worried about our forward line than anything.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 20, 2007, 09:31:40 AM
DownFanatic - Was that 7 kick passes in the whole game or in the second half.  Either way its unreal.

Bridge v Laitroim is off tonight due to the death of the wife of one of our club trustee's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 20, 2007, 10:38:44 AM
No1....i didnt think you were being personal...its just that we really dont have much choice when it comes to midfielders who will do a job for us v cavan...why not jackie lynch ?....wouldnt have mccrickard in midfield for certain !...im sure we would all love jackie to have a stormer v cavan[if chosen].
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 20, 2007, 11:01:24 AM
amallon, that was 7 kickpasses in the whole game. It was really strange. It was just pure handpassing all the way. For the majority of the game it worked but when the opportunity for a long searching ball arose Rostrevor shit themselves. They wouldnt/couldnt hit a long ball all night.
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Post by: 6th sam on April 20, 2007, 11:58:00 AM
Fair point,DF,re long ball game.But the unfortunate fact is ,that Rostrevor's  short tactics worked.How can this problem be rectified? The lack of players capable of delivering long ball at all levels in our county is a major problem .Interestingly,I spoke to a Bredagh man last week ,who told me that some parents,given the choice are steering their kids away from Gaelic Football,because they feel it is too easy to adopt negative,conservative tactics[such as aggressive cynical marking,and excessive fist-passing] successfully.

There is a potential solution to this short game plague---reduce to a 13-a-side game.
This would have the following effects:
1.Reduce the current increasing advantage to the cynical less skilful player.
2.Less crowding in midfield-improving high catching,with more space available to the catching player,when they hit the ground.
3.Create more space for pacy/skillful players up front,therefore making the long ball delivery easier.
4.Make it easier for clubs to field teams--allowing even small clubs to field teams at all levels without having to  draw on players from younger age groups--thereby potentially increasing participation in our games.

With the increasingly professional approach to strength/fitness,players are fitter/faster/heavier and more tactically aware-this will further cut down space on the field over forthcoming years,unless we do something about it.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 20, 2007, 01:05:00 PM
With the increasingly professional approach to strength/fitness,players are fitter/faster/heavier and more tactically aware

Are we still talkin about Down Football here!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on April 20, 2007, 02:26:13 PM
Down's slowness to adopt modern training methods,compared to other rival counties has left us with a bit of ground to make up,across all levels.Hopefully this will change over the next few years.
I feel that there needs to be a strategic review in the county of all aspects of the GAA,including underage development,facilities,club structures etc.Part of the problem is we tend to overanalyse the performance of the senior team,rather than look at the reasons why we have underachieved as a county since 1994.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 20, 2007, 02:33:03 PM
6th Sam.

NAIL ON THE PROVERBIAL HEAD MY SON!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 20, 2007, 08:58:27 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Dundrum 2-13  Bosco 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 20, 2007, 09:03:43 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

St. Paul's 3-10  Drumgath 3-19

edit: ref had a different score than the one i was told!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pearses on April 20, 2007, 09:29:12 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Glenn 0-5   Bredagh 0-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 20, 2007, 09:29:37 PM
Glenn 0-5 Bredagh 0-8

Not the greatest match in the world, nothing really to report

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 20, 2007, 09:35:11 PM
Spot on 6th Sam, though i fear the sixth will never come if the rational view you are expounded is not taken up and acted upon as a matter of urgency
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on April 20, 2007, 09:49:04 PM
Scanning the sites - it seems Saul lost again (0-11 to 3-4 at home to Teconnaught) - what is going on over there? They lose their div 2 status and go into freefall. At the other end its good to see Drumgath are maintaining their charge - they deserve a div 2 slot and are making big strides to achieve it...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on April 20, 2007, 09:59:58 PM
Balyholland 1-10 Annaclone 0-09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: magoo on April 20, 2007, 10:15:57 PM
Believe Drumgath were missing B Connell and Jack Lynch tonite.If that was the case sounds a pretty good result for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on April 21, 2007, 11:38:37 AM
Drumgath must be heading straight to Division 2.Big win for Bredagh- makes us think we may have played 2 of the best teams so there's hope yet for Bob Mc Cartney's boys !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 21, 2007, 01:39:08 PM
Any other results from last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 21, 2007, 02:06:50 PM
Down GAA Results Friday 20th April

O'Neills International Sportswear Leagues

SFL 1

Rostrevor 1:8 Loughinisland 1:3

Atticall 1:10 Longstone 2:10

Bryansford 2:9 Kilcoo 1:10

Mayobridge (off) Liatroim

Castlewellan 0:12 Burren 3:10

An Riocht 0:16 Clonduff 1:13

SFL 2

Ballymartin 0:12 Clann Na Banna0:10

Downpatrick 1:12 Darragh Cross 0:8

Kilclief 0:7 Saval 1:7

Ballyholland 1:10 Annaclone 0:9

Glasdrumman 1:9 Shamrocks 1:6

Carryduff 0:13 Warrenpoint 0:4

SFL 3

Bright 0:11 Tullylish 0:18

Teconnaught 3:4 Saul 0:11

Glenn 0:5 Bredagh 0:8

Dundrum 2:12 Bosco 0:10

St. Pauls 3:10 Drumgath 3:19

Ardglass 0:13 Mitchels 1:3

SFL 4

Ballykinlar 0:8 Aghaderg 3:10

Dromara 2:5 St Johns 3:17

St Michaels 8:19 Aughlisnafin 0:1

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on April 22, 2007, 07:19:48 PM
Is it true that the proposals for the new league setup got rejected during the week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 23, 2007, 09:27:20 AM
Some observations on the weekends results.  Attical pushed the Stone all the way by the looks of it, anyone at this game?  Any fireworks?  The Ford beat Kilcoo, I didn't see that one coming.  Good away win for Burren.  A hard earned point for the Kingdom, 16 scores to 14 suggests they may have been on top for more of the game.

Is the hiding Carryduff gave the Point the massive shock it looks like to me?  Solid win for Ballyholland, any legs broke?

Drumgath look like they are going to walk division 3 as expected.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on April 23, 2007, 09:33:48 AM
Drumgath should have been promoted last season but bottled it after their championship win. Whats gonna be so different this season???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 23, 2007, 09:36:10 AM
The fact that they knew they fecked up last year and the fact they are Intermediate county champions.  They are too good for this division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 23, 2007, 11:33:51 AM
mallon, annaclone are a v different team from yester-year. they have a much younger team, and i have to say alot of excellent footballers - these boys are more interested in good hard football than the dirt that did go on years ago. give them credit, they are a v good side
Title: Div 3 Table after Rd 3
Post by: stpauls on April 23, 2007, 11:48:03 AM
Team   Played   Won   Drew   Lost   GF   PF   GA   PA   Diff   Pts
Drumgath   3   3   0   0   6   45   7   22   20   6
Bredagh   3   2   1   0   2   30   2   21   9   5
Dundrum   3   2   0   1   4   36   2   32   10   4
Tullylish   2   2   0   0   0   34   0   26   8   4
Bosco   3   2   0   1   5   31   4   28   6   4
Mitchels   3   2   0   1   2   27   3   27   -3   4
Ardglass   3   1   1   1   1   34   1   28   6   3
Glenn   2   1   0   1   1   10   0   14   -1   2
Tec'aught   3   1   0   2   8   14   3   40   -11   2
Bright   3   0   1   2   2   37   1   39   1   1
Saul   3   0   0   3   2   23   6   18   -7   0
St. Paul's   3   0   0   3   6   21   8   37   -22   0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale3 on April 23, 2007, 12:10:02 PM
Bredagh on a bit of a run, 2nd in Div 3. Reserves 2 wins out of 2 - scored 3-13 and 5-09 in the two games. Minors racked up 6-12 in first game. Early yet - but good to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on April 23, 2007, 12:42:28 PM
Monday 23rd April 7pm

SFL 1 

Rostrevor v Castlewellan  -reds to win comfortably

Clonduff v Mayobridge  -our first derby of the season, owe them one after last year, us to win by 4

Longstone v Loughinisland  -draw

Kilcoo v An Riocht  - home win by 5 points

Burren v Atticall  -burren to win by more than 7

Liatroim v Bryansford -'ford had good win friday, away win by 2points


SFL 2

Shamrocks v Ballyholland -harps to finally do away with shamrocks hoodoo. ballyholland win

Warrenpoint v Kilclief -'point to win

ClannNa Bana v Glasdrumman - away win

Darragh Cross v Carryduff-  away win

Annaclone v Ballymartin -home win

Saval v Downpatrick -  tight one here, draw


SFL 3

Drumgath v Dundrum

Mitchels v Glenn

Tullylish v St Paul;s

Saul v Ardglass

Bosco v Bright

Bredagh v Teconnaught


SFL 4

Aughlisnafin v Drumaness

St. Johns v St. Michaels

Aghaderg v Dromara



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 23, 2007, 12:56:58 PM
These are probably nowhere near right here goes.

Monday 23rd April 7pm

SFL 1 

Rostrevor v Castlewellan - A Draw - Castlewellan to scrape for draw.
Clonduff v Mayobridge - Bridge by 2
Longstone v Loughinisland - Island to continue a decent start with a 4 pt victory.
Kilcoo v An Riocht - Kilcoo by 5 pts
Burren v Atticall - Burren to destroy mourne men im afraid - 7pts
Liatroim v Bryansford - Liatroim by 2, but only just


SFL 2

Shamrocks v Ballyholland - Has to be a draw
Warrenpoint v Kilclief - Another heavy defeat for Point - Kilclief by 5
ClannNa Bana v Glasdrumman - Clanns to pick up first win of season - 2pt win
Darragh Cross v Carryduff - Darragh by 2 pts
Annaclone v Ballymartin - Annaclone by 4pts
Saval v Downpatrick - Saval to turn the screw -6 pt victory


SFL 3

Drumgath v Dundrum - Midweek games dont suit Gath - Dundrum to shock by 2 pts
Mitchels v Glenn - Mitchels to push all the way in fiesty affair but glenn by 4
Tullylish v St Paul;s - Tullylish by 7
Saul v Ardglass - Saul by 6
Bosco v Bright - Bosco to grab hat trick of goals and win by 3/4
Bredagh v Teconnaught - Bredagh to continue form with 7 pt win


SFL 4

Aughlisnafin v Drumaness - Drums by 5
St. Johns v St. Michaels - Micks by 8
Aghaderg v Dromara - Aghaderg by 7/8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 23, 2007, 01:49:22 PM
QuoteWarrenpoint v Kilclief - Another heavy defeat for Point - Kilclief by 5

  I think you've been on the lunch time pints!  We are going just as badly as the Point and they have home advantage. 

  We are normally shite anytime we have to travel past Castlewellan.  :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 23, 2007, 02:06:04 PM
if Point are goin as bad as it reports suggest and have alot of players either injured or retired then Kilclief should be picking up the points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on April 23, 2007, 02:45:19 PM
So the clubs have rejected the county board's proposals for the club leagues/championship which attempted to ease the burden on players .Instead favouring the status quo.
Do the county board reps from the clubs ever canvass players opinions on issues that effect them.In my opinion the vast majority of players despise the current system-especially packed fixtures this time of year,and the unpredictability of play-off dates etc.
The old chestnut of "our leagues are the envy of every county in Ireland" is usually wheeled out by some county board reps-to the annoyance of the players.That's like the administrators in the NHS saying that the health service here is the envy of the world--try asking the patients!

Sean Rooney appears determined to deal with this issue however--Have any of the usual contributors-No.1,Wobbler,Brick Tamlin,Pangur ban,Cloc mor,etc.,any ideas on improving the leagues/championship for players-while potentially improving club/county income?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 23, 2007, 03:12:07 PM
6th Sam, I think the Wobbler's proposal awhile back was the best one yet. He had Divisions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 North and 5 South. I cant remember the exact details of it but I think at the time it was an excellent idea.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 23, 2007, 03:36:19 PM
Jaysus thats a terror, i honestly thought that those proposals were quite a good way forward, at least in the medium term.
We will never know how successful these kinds of proposals are going to be if our county board just keeps shooting down ideas and arent willling to be a bit brave and take a slight risk, same oul shite if you ask me. Its a prevolant theme throughout county structures too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 23, 2007, 06:18:11 PM
why were they thrown out, is it because of the lack of games for the teams? is there a plan B in the offing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 23, 2007, 08:37:22 PM
ACFL     DIVISION 3

DRUMGATH 1-17     DUNDRUM 2-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 23, 2007, 08:38:26 PM
Bredagh beaten 0-8 to 1-8 by Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on April 23, 2007, 08:45:09 PM
clonduff 0.01-6.07 mayobridge

the scoreline says it all. 'bridge dominated from start to finish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 23, 2007, 08:47:30 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on April 23, 2007, 08:37:22 PM
ACFL     DIVISION 3

DRUMGATH 1-17     DUNDRUM 2-9


TORGAEL... post match comments ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 23, 2007, 09:17:05 PM
Well goose have you a match report for us? I see yis are racking up heavy score lines but yis seem to be leaking quite a few goals!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 23, 2007, 09:26:07 PM
Greygoose, thought Drumgath were always well in control in this match & seemed to be able to step up a gear when threatened. the only two things that worried me were, firstly, the fact that they went to sleep for the last 10 mins of the game [when they had amassed a ten point lead], letting dundrum have a few handy scores at the end. the second worry is that that they are leaking too many goals.......but a win is awin.
good performances from fitzpatrick,connolly,sheerin, & brannigan.mccomiskey looked good for dundrum
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 23, 2007, 09:32:36 PM
Square ball and bridge gale any more details about the games to share with us? Surprised that Teconnaght beat Bredagh!!
Title: Div 3 Results
Post by: stpauls on April 23, 2007, 09:32:41 PM
ACFL  Division 3

TULLYLISH 0-13     ST. PAUL's  1-7
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 23, 2007, 09:34:39 PM
Quote from: Fíor Gael on April 23, 2007, 09:17:05 PM
Well goose have you a match report for us? I see yis are racking up heavy score lines but yis seem to be leaking quite a few goals!!!

Winning by 10 points with about 5 min to go. Yet this week again in the last 5 min our concentration lapsed and Dundrum scored 1-2. Overall a stop start performance.. We can do much better and in reality only a handful players played any were near their capabilities.... The kilcoo lad worked hard and scored freely for us... Packie was a handful in FF and in defence Ging & the strazz & Niall fitz played well, Midfield for us worked hard but can do much better.. jack was carryin a knock and Dougie worked hard but over done it @ times.... Glenn who beat Mitchels tonight by a point will provide a sterner test on Fri nite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 23, 2007, 09:38:30 PM
Teconnaught were really up for this after the JFC, they we quicker to the ball, stronger and won a hell of a lot og 50/50 ball. Bredagh never really got going due to their harrying tactics, one thing that stood out from both teams, the amount of wides kick by both teams, must have been around a 50% sucess rate. Tough next game for Bredagh, Dundrum away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on April 23, 2007, 09:44:41 PM
Liatroim 1-8 Bryansford 0-11

Castlewellan 2-15 Rostrevor 0-9

Big shock in the town game going by this years form.
Liatroim's 3rd successive draw scoring the same amout in each game!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 23, 2007, 10:06:34 PM
Drumgath fully deserved their win tonight. Brannigan was man of the match while Dougie Sheerin done well when he was on the ball. At the back your boy Connolly and that flying machine Fitzpatrick were excellent. I thought Jackie Lynch was quiet while Packie wasnt nearly as effective as he could of been.
Our passing let us down and seemed to provide the basis for your attacks. Yous seemed pretty clinical and didnt miss much.
Your only real weakness I would say is that when teams run at your backline with a quick handpassing game, yous find it hard to deal with.
Anyways the better team won on the night.
PS I hear that that was last game that the county players can play in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 23, 2007, 10:08:52 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 23, 2007, 10:06:34 PM

PS I hear that that was last game that the county players can play in?

Is this true?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 23, 2007, 10:10:13 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 23, 2007, 10:08:52 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 23, 2007, 10:06:34 PM

PS I hear that that was last game that the county players can play in?

Is this true?

True.. Friday is the start of the starred games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on April 23, 2007, 10:10:25 PM
yes its true
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 23, 2007, 10:12:34 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Saul 2-12  Ardglass 0-03

Fanatstic result for Saul.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on April 23, 2007, 10:13:55 PM
Saul 2-12; Ardglass 0-3  - After a horrible start to the league, I'm chuffed to say Saul really clicked tonight and probably tucked away a few years of frustration in the process. Totally geared up for a hard hitting local derby but in the end even though ecstatic about the win, I was disappointed with Ardglass - a few players with talent if they could keep their mind on the game at hand - 1 red card early on and probably pushing their luck beyond that - they can be so much better than what we saw tonight; Anyway we're not complaining that much :)

Good to see Teconnaught at least followed up their win over us with a great win at Bredagh. This league is pretty even tbh - apart from Drumgath who could pull away from everyone else and I'm gonna refuse to make any predictions as far as my club goes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 23, 2007, 10:55:17 PM
Down ACFL Division 3 Results

Saul 2-12  Ardglass 0-03

Drumgath 1-17  Dundrum 2-09

Bosco 0-15  Bright 0-06

Bredagh 0-08  Teconnaught 1-08

Tullylish 0-13  St Pauls 1-07

Glenn beat Mitchels by 1 Pt
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 23, 2007, 11:00:43 PM
Down ACFL Division 3 Table

Drumgath   8
Tullylish   6
Bosco   6
Bredagh   5
Dundrum  4
Glenn  4
Mitchels  4
Teconnaught  4
Ardglass  3
Saul   2
Bright  1
St Pauls  0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Flat Hedgehog on April 24, 2007, 07:40:44 AM
In Div 2 Darragh Cross beat Carryduff by a point. 0-12 to 1-08.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 24, 2007, 08:12:26 AM
Div 2

Warrenpoint beat Kilclief by a goal.

Shamrocks beat Ballyholland by a point.

Saval destroyed Downpatrick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 24, 2007, 09:09:16 AM
christ my predictions were way off.
what has happened to Clonduff, thats a ridiculous result.
Any reports on the Saval/Dowmpatrick game or the Newry Derby.
No1 What happened my tip for Kilclief youse let me down there.?
Looks like Drumgath do like midweek games after all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on April 24, 2007, 09:11:04 AM
Div 4

St Johns 1.10 St Michaels 1.12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 24, 2007, 09:11:42 AM
What happened is we are shite.  Warrrenpoint aren't much better, they are down to the bare bones, Magill was lined out for them last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 24, 2007, 09:20:20 AM
Miceal Magill i take it? Doesnt sound too encouraging, your boys mustnt be great on road.
so how did our countys finest perform for their respective clubs last night then, i take it Danny Hughes destroyed Downpatrick on his own, any reports.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on April 24, 2007, 09:24:51 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 24, 2007, 09:20:20 AM
i take it Danny Hughes destroyed Downpatrick on his own, any reports.
I heard he scored 1.5 against the hoops the only hoops player to make any contribution was telford in the middle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on April 24, 2007, 09:52:55 AM
Div 2: Clann na banna beat glassdrumman by 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 24, 2007, 11:20:28 AM
Is the Liatroim pitch still closed? If it is, where are they playing their home matches?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on April 24, 2007, 11:36:47 AM
At the minute Liatroim are playing there underage games on the back pitch and all senior games are away fixtures, although they did get to use Castlewellan's pitch for the recent Loughinisland game. The pitch is coming on well and should be ready within a couple of months.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 24, 2007, 03:58:13 PM
Can anyone give us a report on the Bridge and Clonduff match? Extraordinary result. I see Clann na Banna and D Cross are starting to pick up points in Div 2, looks like its going to be very open this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 24, 2007, 04:17:21 PM
harps v shamrocks.

one of the worst games i have ever seen, illuminated only by the outstanding play of ronan murtagh. if ballyholland could only get enough ball to him they would have won easily. the poorest shamrocks team i have seen ever, and that shows how bad harps were.

kevin mcguigan got roasted by rony, then scored a winning 50 with the last kick of the game.


ps.highlghts the problem with down football, in that here are two contenders for promotion PLUS they represent the pick of Newry! absolutely terrible, and maybe something that co board needs to address ie state of GAA in major towns in Co.Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 24, 2007, 05:33:10 PM
The Bridge played really well Clonduff were poor.  Noel Sexton scored 3-3 and is in some form.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 24, 2007, 10:26:48 PM
Fog on Strangford Lough played havic with the hurling league fixtures with teams unable to cross in either direction.

ACHL Div 1
Ballygalget 7-07 1-01 Kilclief

ACHL Div 2
Ballyvarley 0-05 1-09 Clonduff
Ballycran 2-09 0-12 Bredagh

The rest of the matches were called off due to the fog.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on April 24, 2007, 10:47:42 PM
Annaclone 0-18 Ballymartin 1-06
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on April 24, 2007, 10:56:19 PM
Who played well tonight for the clone Cloneman?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on April 24, 2007, 11:07:22 PM

Who played well tonight for the clone Cloneman?

Our top performers were probably Colm Fegan and Pete McColgan.  We're badly hit with injuries at the moment and were playing tonight with Aidan Fegan and Colm Farrell which would be a big miss for most teams, so pretty good result considering.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on April 25, 2007, 02:42:27 AM
that farrell lad is hardly a big loss!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on April 25, 2007, 11:30:01 AM

Marshes seems to be taking shape lads. the stand structure and lights are in place. i did think the lights were supposed to be on a par with casement? don't seem to be as high nor as many bulbs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on April 25, 2007, 11:32:03 AM
When is the first game due at the Marshes?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 25, 2007, 11:36:29 AM
Wouldn't say there will be much Hurling played there , so lights on a par with Casement probably aren't needed .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 25, 2007, 12:19:10 PM
Lads,
  whats the best way to get to Ballela from Belfast? Directions please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on April 25, 2007, 12:28:31 PM
Go down the A1, past Dromore and there should be a signpost for Katesbridge to the left. Go to the end of that road and you'll come to Garvaghy Post Office. Turn Left and take the second road on the left signposted for Leitrim and Kilkinamurray and the pitch is about a mile up that Road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 25, 2007, 12:44:25 PM
Down GAA League Tables - 2007                              
A.C.F.L. Division 1                              
                              
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points   Diff   Goals   Points   Goals   Points
Rostrevor   4   3   0   1   6   8   2   47   4   33
Mayobridge   3   2   1   0   5   31   9   28   1   21
Longstone   3   2   1   0   5   10   3   35   2   28
Clonduff   4   2   1   1   5   -12   7   33   8   42
Burren   3   2   0   1   4   7   4   29   3   25
Kilcoo   3   1   1   2   3   3   5   45   7   36
L'island   4   1   1   2   3   -1   4   31   1   41
Bryansford   4   1   1   2   3   -9   5   37   6   43
Liatroim   3   0   3   0   3   0   1   31   0   34
An Riocht   3   0   3   0   3   0   3   36   4   33
C'wellan   3   1   0   2   2   3   2   44   4   35
Attical   4   0   0   4   0   -28   1   33   6   46
                     For   For   Against   Against
A.C.F.L. Division 2                              
                              
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points   Diff   Goals   Points   Goals   Points
Saval   4   4   0   0   8   30   5   46   2   25
Ballyholland   4   3   0   1   6   22   6   36   2   26
D'patrick   4   3   0   1   6   6   4   45   5   36
Annaclone   4   2   1   1   5   9   1   50   4   32
Clann na B   4   2   0   2   4   -12   3   40   8   37
Shamrocks   4   1   1   2   3   -1   1   28   2   26
G'drumman   4   1   1   2   3   -6   4   31   2   43
Ballymartin   3   1   1   1   3   -7   2   26   0   39
Carryduff   4   1   0   3   2   2   3   32   1   36
Kilclief   4   1   0   3   2   -7   1   45   4   43
Darragh C   4   1   0   3   2   -9   1   36   2   42
W'point   3   1   0   2   2   -17   1   23   0   43
                              
                              
A.C.F.L. Division 3                              
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points   Diff   Goals   Points   Goals   Points
Drumgath   4   4   0   0   8   23   7   60   9   31
Bosco   4   3   0   1   6   16   5   47   4   34
Tullylish   3   3   0   0   6   11   0   47   1   33
Bredagh   4   2   1   1   5   6   2   38   3   29
Dundrum   4   2   0   2   4   7   6   45   3   47
Glenn   3   2   0   1   4   3   3   17   0   23
Mitchel's   4   2   0   2   4   -4   2   36   5   31
T'aught   4   2   0   2   4   -8   9   22   3   48
Ardglass   4   1   1   2   3   -15   1   37   5   40
Saul   4   1   0   3   2   18   4   45   6   21
Bright   4   0   0   4   0   -18   2   33   1   54
St Pauls   4   0   0   4   0   -25   7   28   8   50
                              
A.C.F.L. Division 4                              
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points               
Drumaness   3   3   0   0   6               
Aghaderg   3   3   0   0   6               
St. John's   4   2   0   2   4                
St Michaels   3   2   0   1   4               
Dromara   4   1   0   3   2               
Ballykinlar   3   1   0   2   2               
A'nafin   4   0   0   4   0               
Killyleagh   0   0   0   0   0               
                              
A.C.P.R.L. 1                              
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points   Diff   Goals   Points   Goals   Points
Rostrevor   6   4   2   0   10   42   11   52   3   34
Kilcoo   6   5   0   1   10   39   6   75   7   33
Longstone   6   4   0   2   8   10   8   57   5   56
Mayobridge   5   3   1   1   7   25   10   41   5   31
Clonduff   7   3   1   3   7   6   8   61   9   52
Burren   7   2   3   2   7   -1   6   57   5   61
Bryansford   5   2   1   2   5   -8   5   22   2   39
An Riocht   6   1   2   3   4   -13   6   46   10   47
Liatroim   6   1   2   3   4   -20   4   57   12   53
D'patrick   6   1   0   5   2   -25   5   45   8   61
W'point   6   1   0   5   2   -49   4   42   7   82

A.C.P.R.L. 2                              
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points   Diff   Goals   Points   Goals   Points
C'wellan   6   6   0   0   12   115   31   68   5   31
Carryduff   7   5   0   2   10   10   16   58   10   66
Tullylish   5   4   1   0   9   23   7   56   2   48
Saval   6   4   0   2   8   16   10   59   9   46
Ballymartin   5   2   0   3   4   10   6   48   6   38
Annaclone   7   2   0   5   4   -6   4   42   4   46
L'island   5   1   1   3   3   -14   2   48   8   44
Kilclief   6   1   0   5   2   -56   7   49   20   66
Saul   6   0   0   6   0   -51   3   25   22   74
                              
                              
A.C.H.L.1                              
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points                   
Kilclief   2   1   0   1   2               
Ballycran   1   1   0   0   2               
Portaferry   1   1   0   0   2               
Liatroim   1   1   0   0   2               
Ballela   2   0   0   2   0               
Ballygalget   1   0   0   1   0               
Shamrocks   0   0   0   0   0               
                              
A.C.H.L.2                                 
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points               
Bredagh   2   2   0   0   4               
Clonduff   2   1   1   0   3               
Ballyvarley   2   1   0   1   2                
Ballycran   1   1   0   0   2               
W'point   2   0   1   1   1               
Portaferry   2   0   1   1   1               
C'wellan   1   0   1   0   1               
Ballygalget   2   0   0   2   0               
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on April 25, 2007, 12:52:02 PM
Lecale 2, where are these tables from?

In Div 4, aghaderg are down as played 3, won 3 and st johns as played 4, won 2.  This should be aghaderg played 3 won 2 and st johns played 4 won 3 as we beat aghaderg in our first game, won the next 2 and lost to st michaels on monday night??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 25, 2007, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on April 25, 2007, 12:28:31 PM
Go down the A1, past Dromore and there should be a signpost for Katesbridge to the left. Go to the end of that road and you'll come to Garvaghy Post Office. Turn Left and take the second road on the left signposted for Leitrim and Kilkinamurray and the pitch is about a mile up that Road.

thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 25, 2007, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on April 25, 2007, 12:52:02 PM
Lecale 2, where are these tables from?

In Div 4, aghaderg are down as played 3, won 3 and st johns as played 4, won 2.  This should be aghaderg played 3 won 2 and st johns played 4 won 3 as we beat aghaderg in our first game, won the next 2 and lost to st michaels on monday night??
E mail from Sean Rooney.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 25, 2007, 02:28:45 PM
Johnnie99 - I'd be contacting the Co. Board if there is an error in the tables Sean Rooney sent out.  These are probably the master copies.

This Friday nights game between the Bridge and Rostrevor should be a cracker as there is a lot to play for.  Its a starred game but I think we should still be capable of winning it given our strength in depth at the minute.  Attical are looking good for automatic relegation at the minute, maybe they can pick up a few points here and there during this series of starred games. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on April 25, 2007, 03:06:00 PM
Div 2 scoring difference looks a bit out too - doesn't net out to 0.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on April 25, 2007, 03:40:42 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 25, 2007, 12:19:10 PM
Lads,
  whats the best way to get to Ballela from Belfast? Directions please.
What's on in Ballela Johnnycool? I thought Ballygalget were going to St Gall's tonight.
Are you heading down for the pitch opening on Sunday week?
Here's the directions from the website. http://www.ballela.com/directions.htm (http://www.ballela.com/directions.htm)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on April 25, 2007, 04:10:29 PM
Actually those directions on our site have a mistake, it shud read; turn left onto the ballela road( as a previous poster has stated). I may tell someone to ammend that. All welcome for the opening btw!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 25, 2007, 04:16:05 PM
amallon how did Benny play for yis the other night, is he hittin form yet? who was sent of for clonduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 25, 2007, 04:49:03 PM
as encouraging as it is to see some teams starting very well in the leagues it does augur well but at the same time its very early doors yet lads. Down leagues are really nothing to get excited about, standard is shite awful, and its even depressing to know that no new format has been thought of to revamp our leagues.

There are the starred games to come when teams will miss our countys finest footballers :P and there will be the usual summer dip/rise in form for teams, then the pre championship burst, then the mass exodus of players pissing off (either from club or county) to US etc to play after their club/county has been put out of championship, fixtures will pile up, then the leagues will drag on, the reserve leagues will feel the brunt with some teams playin no games for a few weeks, then we will have the usual draggin on of leagues into the shite & muck of winter when no games should be played, and finally the dreaded playoffs come round.

will be same ol shite this year again, no major domestic league talking points or surprises, Bridge should walk championship which doesnt say much for our leagues (judging by their failure in europe season after season allied to the fact that the standard in down domestically is shite), some secondary team will win the league with no one really batting an eye and our county teams will fail to either inspire or make much progress on national stages.

you can tell im having a good day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 25, 2007, 05:03:50 PM
Fíor Gael - Benny had a good enough game.  He scored 1-2.  He took his goal well, worked hard and looked in good shape.  However the two Sextons have been over shadowing everone this season so much so I'd start both of them against Cavan in the forward line.  Noel in the half forward line, Ronan in the full forward line to play out round the middle picking up the scraps. 

Patsy (Paul) McShane was sent off for Clonduff straight red.  He swung an elbow/arm at Michael Walsh and caught him in the face. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 25, 2007, 05:39:43 PM
Somebody buy Brick that rope he is looking for.... lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 26, 2007, 08:56:32 AM
Down Senior Football Players that are eligible for selection by their Clubs on Friday Night

Adrian Carville
Liam Doyle
Brendan Grant
Brendan McGourty
Colm Murtagh
Damien Rafferty
Ambrose Rogers
Bryan Sweeney
Michael Walsh

Whats the story with Ambrose? 

Johnnie99 - I got forwarded the league tables in Excel format and they still have the mistake you spotted in Division four.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 26, 2007, 09:16:38 AM
"What's the story with Ambrose ?"

Would also like to know the story with Doyle / Rafferty / Walsh ? Are they a long way off county fitness at the moment ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 26, 2007, 09:22:33 AM
I'm imagine Ross will let Michael Walsh play a good few of these starred games to get himself up to match pace. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 26, 2007, 09:25:56 AM
Quote from: amallon on April 26, 2007, 08:56:32 AM
Down Senior Football Players that are eligible for selection by their Clubs on Friday Night

Adrian Carville
Liam Doyle
Brendan Grant
Brendan McGourty
Colm Murtagh
Damien Rafferty
Ambrose Rogers
Bryan Sweeney
Michael Walsh

Whats the story with Ambrose? 

Johnnie99 - I got forwarded the league tables in Excel format and they still have the mistake you spotted in Division four.

aidan,
Are you telling me that Stephen Toner isnt able to play for us? He has only played 5 mins in 4 games so far,picking up a ankle injury, and if he is deprived Club Football he wont get to get alot of ball this year. On Bryansford performances so far Carville is showing well and has now moved back home from England and the games will stand to him, he was a whole lot more significant than Colm McCrickard on Monday night although still not the answer to number 8 or 9.  Agree with you in relation to Noel Sexton, he is a class act alright and would be more effective than say Eoin McCartan anyday.
Heard that Ambrose will play for Stone on Friday in An Riocht.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 26, 2007, 09:28:45 AM
Thats good news on the Ambrose front.

Thats what it said on the email from the Co. Board Spirit.


Down Senior Football Players that are stared on Friday Night

John Boyle

Aidan Byrne

Aidan Carr

John Clarke

Martin Cole

Bernard Connell

Brendan Coulter

Darren Cunningham

Packie Downey

Dan Gordon

Owen Henry

Daniel Hughes

Stephen Kearney

Brendan Loughran

Jackie Lynch

Daniel McCartan

Eoin McCartan

Marty McClean

Paul McComiskey

Colin McCrickard

James McGovern

Kevin McGuigan

Michael McVeigh

Paul Murphy

Ronan Murtagh

Declan Rooney

Ronan Sexton

Stephen Toner

Peter Turley
----------------------------------------------------
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 26, 2007, 09:52:12 AM
Quote from: amallon on April 26, 2007, 08:56:32 AM
Down Senior Football Players that are eligible for selection by their Clubs on Friday Night

Adrian Carville
Liam Doyle
Brendan Grant
Brendan McGourty
Colm Murtagh
Damien Rafferty
Ambrose Rogers
Bryan Sweeney
Michael Walsh

Whats the story with Ambrose? 

Johnnie99 - I got forwarded the league tables in Excel format and they still have the mistake you spotted in Division four.

who is Brendan McGourty playing club football for?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 26, 2007, 09:59:03 AM
Darragh Cross, he played against Carryduff on Monday past.  Don't know how the St Pauls boys feel about that.  He must be able to pick and choose who he plays for!

I take it we are operating with a panel of 38 then?  When did Brendy Loughran return?  Who is Aidan Byrne?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on April 26, 2007, 10:01:08 AM
Brendan McGourty last lined out for St Pauls, in the 2006 U-21 Championship. Not sure if he's been about at all this year though
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 26, 2007, 10:52:54 AM
I see Ross and DJ are meeting with club managers and reps tonight in Newcastle....what would you ask them if you were there as your club rep?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 26, 2007, 12:32:29 PM
Bredagh's Div 3 game tonight away to Dundrum has been cancelled due to a bereavement in the Dundrum club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on April 26, 2007, 03:34:43 PM
Can anyone help with directions to the pitch in Dromara, coming down from Belfast
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 26, 2007, 03:38:26 PM
read back a page, ye lazy fecker! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 26, 2007, 03:39:07 PM
Head to Ballynahinch, out Dromara Rd to Dromara through the village towards Rathfriland. First on left outside the village on Rathfriland Rd, pitch is half mile up that road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 26, 2007, 03:45:27 PM
That's the south belfast way Lecale.

UF if your heading from Holywood take the M1 then A1 past hillsborogh theres a sign for dromara on the left, take this and head straight through the village as per Lecale's directions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on April 26, 2007, 04:20:04 PM
Cheers for the directions folks.

Passedit, congratulations on a fine bit of inter-contential coaching of the re the Reserves last Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 26, 2007, 05:19:47 PM
Quote
Passedit, congratulations on a fine bit of inter-contential coaching of the re the Reserves last Sunday

Hey if Mourihno can do it from the stands then I can do it from Noo Yawk.

The chairman ignored me though and is claiming that one all for himself, 28 point victories are hard to argue with!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on April 27, 2007, 02:24:35 AM
doyle wont be about for a good while just out of cast and doing hydrotrainin i hear!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on April 27, 2007, 07:26:33 AM
Right here goes for tonight .....

Friday 27th April 7pm

SFL 1

An Riocht v Longstone - ANOTHER DRAW
Atticall v Kilcoo - KILCOO
Bryansford v Burren - BURREN
Castlewellan v Liatroim - CASTLEWELLAN
Mayobridge v Rostrevor - MAYOBRIDGE
Loughinisland v Clonduff - LOUGHINISLAND

SFL 2

Carryduff v Clann Na Banna - CARRYDUFF
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross - BALLYMARTIN
Downpatrick v Annaclone - DRAW
Ballyholland v Saval - BALLYHOLLAND
Kilclief v Shamrocks - SHAMROCKS
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint - GLASSDRUMMAN

SFL3

Ardglass v Tullylish -  ARDGLASS
Bright v Saul - SAUL
Teconnaught v Bosco - BOSCO
Dundrum v Bredagh  (OFF)
Glenn v Drumgath - DRUMGATH - onwards and upwards
St. Pauls v Mitchels - MITCHELS

SFL 4

Dromara v Ballykinlar - DROMARA
St. Michaels v Aghaderg - ST MICHAELS
Drumaness v St. Johns - DRUMANESS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on April 27, 2007, 10:08:12 AM
The ACL Div 3 match between Bright and Saul tonight has been postponed as a result of a bereavement in the Bright club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on April 27, 2007, 10:36:32 AM
Quote from: Statto-Gael on April 27, 2007, 07:26:33 AM
Right here goes for tonight .....

Friday 27th April 7pm

SFL 1

An Riocht v Longstone - ANOTHER DRAW
Atticall v Kilcoo - KILCOO
Bryansford v Burren - BURREN
Castlewellan v Liatroim - CASTLEWELLAN
Mayobridge v Rostrevor - MAYOBRIDGE
Loughinisland v Clonduff - LOUGHINISLAND


Liatroim to win against Castlewelllan.
The Town without Burns, McVeigh, and Liatroim only missing McCrickard.
O'Prey and PP McCartan to have too much fire power for the Town! ;)
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 27, 2007, 11:44:52 AM
Our game with Saval is switched to Tuesday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 27, 2007, 03:04:35 PM
I think Drumgath will get it tighter than expected v Glenn tonight without their 3 county players.any thoughts ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 27, 2007, 03:07:59 PM
It will be a real test for your boys tonight, not having a sub goalie nearly proved costly in St. Pauls. Have yis that sorted yet? Also I hear McCabe is out with a foot injury, any truth in that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 27, 2007, 03:16:39 PM
Just got that confirmed....McCabe is out of tonights game as you just said Fior Gael. We still dont have a proper sub goalie either.These are the problems that you come across when you have a small panel of first team players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 27, 2007, 04:04:18 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on April 27, 2007, 03:16:39 PM
Just got that confirmed....McCabe is out of tonights game as you just said Fior Gael. We still dont have a proper sub goalie either.These are the problems that you come across when you have a small panel of first team players.

Small Panel is an understatement
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 27, 2007, 05:20:57 PM
are county players banned from playing tonight? when does this stop?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on April 27, 2007, 08:44:07 PM
mayobridge  1.12
rostrevor     1.09

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 27, 2007, 09:00:42 PM
ACFL DIVISION 3

GLENN 3-8
DRUMGATH 2-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 27, 2007, 09:02:52 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

St. Paul's 3-13  Mitchels 2-9

Good to get the first win under the belt, were 2-7 to 0-4 up at half time, and started to cruise a bit which let Mitchels back into the game, with 2 goals towards the end but we never looked like losing it, especially when we got a third goal from a quick free. Hopefully this first win will give us the momentum to keep going and get a few more points on the board!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 27, 2007, 09:12:00 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on April 27, 2007, 09:00:42 PM
ACFL DIVISION 3

GLENN 3-8
DRUMGATH 2-9

very surprised with this one, any report
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 27, 2007, 09:57:06 PM
Tullylish beat Ardglass despite a typical east down refereeing performance my spies tell me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 27, 2007, 10:01:43 PM
carryduff 0-5 clann na banna 0-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 27, 2007, 10:06:06 PM
Behind The Wire is your manager the same as last year? A frickin miracle worker if it is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on April 27, 2007, 10:09:42 PM
Downpatrick 0-11 Annaclone 1-09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 27, 2007, 10:22:35 PM
Bryansford 0.12 Burren 1.06, a very poor Burren team with Ward still up to his old tricks! Burren goal was a fluke to say the least and they struggled all over the pitch, Bryansford missed alot tonight and should have easily won by 7 or 8 pts. Luke Howard very good again at right half back (on McKernan) scoring 2 second half points. McCartan ended up moving to many players around with the full back ending up full forward!

Longstone 0.14 An Riocht 1.07
Clonduff 2.08 Loughinisland 2.09
Castlewellan 0.11 Leitrim 0.13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 27, 2007, 10:36:56 PM
Can anyone confirm that Ambrose appeared for the Stone tonight ? Ross, as well as the rest of us, will want to hear how he got on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on April 28, 2007, 10:21:19 AM
Results taken from Down website.  At last its great to see them updating it after a round of fixtures have been played.  All they need to do now is ditch that stupid caption competition.  Just checked - its already gone, thank God.

Friday 27th April

SFL 1
An Riocht 1:8 Longstone 0:14
Atticall SAT Kilcoo
Bryansford 0:12 Burren 1:6
Castlewellan 0:11 Liatroim 0:13
Mayobridge 1:12 Rostrevor 1:9
Loughinisland 2:9 Clonduff 2:8

SFL 2
Carryduff 0:6 Clann Na Banna 0:8
Ballymartin 3:10 Darragh Cross 0:4
Downpatrick 0:11 Annaclone 1:9
Ballyholland TUES Saval
Kilclief 1:8 Shamrocks 1:8
Glasdrumman 1:12 Warrenpoint 1:9

SFL3
Ardglass 1:8 Tullylish 2:9
Bright OFF Saul
Teconnaught 1:9 Bosco 2:4
Dundrum OFF Bredagh
Glenn 3:8 Drumgath 2:9
St. Pauls 3:13 Mitchels 2:9

SFL 4
Dromara 5:15 Ballykinlar 2:8
St. Michaels 1:11 Aghaderg 0:12
Drumaness 2:21 St. Johns 1:9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on April 28, 2007, 10:26:53 AM
Quote from: TORGAEL on April 27, 2007, 09:00:42 PM
ACFL DIVISION 3

GLENN 3-8
DRUMGATH 2-9

TORGAEL any thoughts on last night performance?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 28, 2007, 10:50:52 AM
think the results in division 3 have shown that its gonna be one hell of a campaige, and a difficult division to get out of as everyone seems capable of beating everyone else
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football Div 3
Post by: general on April 28, 2007, 12:18:02 PM
SFL3
Ardglass 1:8 Tullylish 2:9-good away win for underdogs of league, expect them 2 be fighting with drumgath and glenn
Bright OFF Saul
Teconnaught 1:9 Bosco 2:4-another good win
Dundrum OFF Bredagh
Glenn 3:8 Drumgath 2:9 - very good win against the title contenders, was always gona b tight, 2 teams i expect 2 be top at the end of season
St. Pauls 3:13 Mitchels 2:9 - mitchels very poor, deserved win for st pauls evn though they thought they won at half time

   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on April 28, 2007, 05:44:24 PM
Saw notices for the U.15 and U.17 trials to be held this morning at 10.00 am and 9.45 am.  Correct me if I am wrong, but this is the first notice I saw about these trials all week.  Not much notice but typical of the way we treat our youth.  Both trials are being held on two very poor council pitches - this simply is not good enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 29, 2007, 09:26:22 PM
An interview with Kevin McGourty of Antrim in the Sunday Tribune today strongly suggested that he wants to transfer to Down. McGourty, who was MoM in the Sigerson Final last month, has fallen out with the Antrim manager, Jody Gormley, and says he wants to resume his county career elsewhere. The piece was full of hints that Down would be his first choice, next year rather than this summer. He would certainly be a possible solution to our midfield problems, but I would still prefer to see 15 Down men on our team. I know Shane King came in four years ago, but he had moved to Newcastle, was playing for Bryansford and was employed as a coach by the county board. McGourty has no existing Down connections, and apparently has no intention of either living here or turning out for a Down club. The article may just have been a bit of kite-flying, but I'm sure we will hear shortly if there is any substance to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 30, 2007, 08:30:46 AM
Any chance you could post this article?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on April 30, 2007, 09:44:56 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 29, 2007, 09:26:22 PM
I would still prefer to see 15 Down men on our team. I know Shane King came in four years ago, but he had moved to Newcastle, was playing for Bryansford and was employed as a coach by the county board. .

Adrian Scullion?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on April 30, 2007, 10:00:17 AM
You're more than welcome to him!

Don't get me wrong - very very good footballer and would definitely get on your team. However way more trouble than he's worth - a lot of talk and a lot less action. How many news articles has he been in now?? Must be a record for a GAA player!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on April 30, 2007, 10:14:07 AM
Don't want him or don't need him.
Good player for Queens but not up to it at County senior level!!
Let him stay in Antrim!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 30, 2007, 10:30:06 AM
Doesnt surprise me at all that he would be looking toward Down for a move. He has alot of pals from Down and would have always been a Down Sympathiser.
id welcome him into the fold, dont think he would get away with as much shite if he was playing for Down.
Title: Room for one more
Post by: passedit on April 30, 2007, 10:34:15 AM
Quotedont think he would get away with as much shite if he was playing for Down.

Jazus Brick, and your evidence to back up that statement is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 30, 2007, 10:35:46 AM
Any word on the game at Saval ? Could someone post the starting 15 ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 30, 2007, 10:59:12 AM
Down ACFL Division 3 Results 23rd April

Saul 2-12  Ardglass 0-03

Drumgath 1-17  Dundrum 2-09

Bosco 0-15  Bright 0-06

Bredagh 0-08  Teconnaught 1-08

Tullylish 0-13  St Pauls 1-07

Glenn beat Mitchels by 1 Pt

Guys,

does anyone know what the score of Glenn Mitchels match was?

Thanks!

edit: scratch that, got it from the Down GAA website.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 30, 2007, 11:13:08 AM
well we could do worse, there are plenty of headless chickens already running around the county setup, anotherone (albeit more talented) would make marginal difference.

Down V Louth Starting 15

1) Micky Mc Veigh
2) Daniel Mc Cartan
3) Declan Rooney
4) Kevin Mc Guigan

5) Paul Murphy
6) Brendan Grant
7) Owen Henry

8) Dan Gordon
9) Collie Mc Crickard

10) James Mc Govern
11) Aiden Carr
12) Rona  Sexton

13) Benny Coulter
14) Packie Downey
15) Danny Hughes (Capt)

Subs Used - Darren Cunningham, Pete Turely, Jackie Lynch, Colm Murtagh, Marty Mc Clean.

Firstly - Saval, great setup down there now, i dont think ive seen a pitch that looks as flat in a long time, looked to be a perfect surface.

The game itself was quite a dull, flat affair with next to no atmosphere or noise about the place, i actually thought there would have been alot more support.

Down Full forward line looked amazing in the first 25 mins of this match, they absolutely destroyed the Louth Defence with Coulter lookin very sharp and Downey proving to be an ideal target man and Danny hughes running his man raggged, all 3 looked to have nailed down their places for the championship as the full forward line. Although things werent as pretty in the 2nd half, in truth Down should have finished the game with 6 goals.

Midfield was able and did what was required, Mc Crickard's distribution was excellent  as was Dan Gordons support play.

Defence was competent and looked energetic, half back line got through a mountain of work with two wing men showing quite well both in defence and bursting forward to support attack. Grant steadied this line by anchoring the middle but still looks like he is a yard off the pace, maybe the heat and hard ground sapped him slightly.
Full Back line was also decent and quite combatitive and didnt really give away a massive amount of typically lazy fouls, but the jury is still out to be honest, Rooney still doesnt look comfortable at 3 and Dan Mc Cartan is definitely not a corner man.

On the Negative side, bottom line is that Louth were shite and offered no resistance in first half, and were only marginally better in the 2nd. Interested spectator in Paul Grimley standing yonder on the bank taking down notes on Downs Excelle nt forward play most likely. :P
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 30, 2007, 11:20:28 AM
How did Paul Murphy do at half back Brick?
Will he threaten Rony Murtagh for that position?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 30, 2007, 11:35:08 AM
Both Wing Backs did very well, Murphy had a fine game, fetched 2 great balls out of the clouds in first half and motored quite well. Put in a good hours shift, support play was good aswell as distribution. Dont know about dislodging Murtagh from wing back though, thats all depending on Ross thinkin in terms of tactics and the way he lines the team out against Cavan.
Title: Div 3 Table Round 5
Post by: stpauls on April 30, 2007, 11:44:34 AM
Team   Played   Won   Drew   Lost   GF   PF   GA   PA   Diff   Pts
Drumgath   5   4   0   1   9   71   12   39   23   8
Tullylish   4   4   0   0   2   46   2   41   5   8
Bosco   5   3   0   2   7   50   5   43   13   6
Glenn   4   3   0   1   6   22   2   32   2   6
Tec'aught   5   3   0   2   2   31   5   52   -30   6
Bredagh   4   2   1   1   2   38   3   29   6   5
Dundrum   4   2   0   2   6   45   3   49   5   4
Mitchels   5   2   0   3   4   45   8   44   -11   4
Ardglass   5   1   1   3   2   45   5   49   -13   3
Saul   4   1   0   3   4   35   6   21   8   2
St. Paul's   5   1   0   4   10   41   10   59   -18   2
Bright   4   0   1   3   2   43   1   54   -8   1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 30, 2007, 12:24:04 PM
The Official opening of Ballela pitch is on Sunday afternoon with Down playing Dublin hurlers in a challenge followed by Down Juniors playing Letrim.
How will the County be able to field a senior team when there's a full round of Antrim league matches on Sunday afternoon wth all 3 Ards clubs involved?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 30, 2007, 12:29:55 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 30, 2007, 12:24:04 PM
The Official opening of Ballela pitch is on Sunday afternoon with Down playing Dublin hurlers in a challenge followed by Down Juniors playing Letrim.
How will the County be able to field a senior team when there's a full round of Antrim league matches on Sunday afternoon wth all 3 Ards clubs involved?


That's a bit of a balls alright. In normal circumstances the clubs will be insisting on the players lining out with them and leave it up to the county board to work with their associates in Antrim to move the fixtures about. If that doesn't happen then I can't see Down lining out full strength against Dublin which is a pity for Ballela who deserve to have a good days opening for all their hard work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 30, 2007, 12:36:29 PM
I would have thought that the county management team would see this match as key preparation for the championship. Playing a weakened team does nobody any good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 30, 2007, 12:39:26 PM
not disagreeing with you there but name me the weaknesses and tell me the solutions or alternatives. Realistically now and dont be coming up with any of this oul shite where ye have liam doyle playing , or even worse, playin and wearing no 6. Just interested to know what people think are realistic options are
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on April 30, 2007, 01:13:54 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 30, 2007, 12:39:26 PM
not disagreeing with you there but name me the weaknesses and tell me the solutions or alternatives. Realistically now and dont be coming up with any of this oul shite where ye have liam doyle playing , or even worse, playin and wearing no 6. Just interested to know what people think are realistic options are

Brick,I think Lecale 2 was referring to the hurlers when he talked about a weakened team.The Hurlers could not hope to match a resurgent Dublin team,without their strongest team.I hope they get things sorted out ,as Ballela and other Non-Ards clubs are making great efforts in promotion of Hurling.We have great potential as a hurling county,given that we still can compete favourably at 2nd tier level despite apparent organisational weakness.

Football-wise I was at Saval yesterday,and I was alarmed at the small crowd and quiet atmosphere,despite the weather,attractive fixture pre-championship ,and the outstanding Saval set-up.We need to re-inject a bit of passion in this county.We appear to have become a crowd of cynics and begrudgers,and have we as supporters lost our hunger for success?

As an eternal optimist-I remember a similar level of apathy before Down played Armagh in The Marshes in 1991-here's hoping!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 30, 2007, 01:19:48 PM
your right, twas terrible to see so few supporters at the match, more of a kids feckin day out if ye ask me, more money woulf have been taken at that bouncy castle then the gate id say.

On the field 6th Sam how do you think we fared, positives/negatives?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 30, 2007, 01:50:22 PM
QuoteI would have thought that the county management team would see this match as key preparation for the championship.

  Lecale, their preparation is nothing short of shambolic.  There were 10 of them in Kilclief for a training session last week and themselves and their fitness coach had a short discussion and decided they wouldn't train and they all fucked off home.

  Kevin McGourty has plenty of Down connections, Brendan is his cousin AFAIK.  I wouldn't have him about the place though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 30, 2007, 02:46:01 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 30, 2007, 01:50:22 PM
QuoteI would have thought that the county management team would see this match as key preparation for the championship.

  Lecale, their preparation is nothing short of shambolic.  There were 10 of them in Kilclief for a training session last week and themselves and their fitness coach had a short discussion and decided they wouldn't train and they all fucked off home.

  Kevin McGourty has plenty of Down connections, Brendan is his cousin AFAIK.  I wouldn't have him about the place though.


I think they've been playing each of the Ards teams the last few wednesday nights with the clubs at full strength which won't do the county team any good as they'll need to get their strongest 15 decided and playing together to form any sort of bond etc. From my inside sources what No1 says is more the norm rather than a one off occurence but they are hampered with the Newry, Liatroim and kilclief lads hurling on the tuesday night then the Ards seniors hurling on the wednesday and saturday/sundays the last few weeks. There's no 'starred' hurling games I'm afraid but as i've always said rightly or wrongly the club game is king in the Ards with more turning out to watch a junior game that some of the Christy Ring games we'll see later on in the summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 30, 2007, 03:21:03 PM
How close is the team that played Louth to our Championship side ? I'd imagine room will have to be found for Clarke / Cole / Murtagh and Walsh if fit . Still no mention if Ambrose came through his first game back okay , anyone got any news on this ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDunYeGo on April 30, 2007, 04:08:40 PM
I remember hearin all this crap about mc gourty goin to casltewellan a few years ago when big PJ o'hare took over. a load of shite, just wants some attention before the championship starting. it wouldn't matter who was managing him, he'd still have arguments . Why should jody gormley have to put up with his shit, he'd be at the same stuff if he played for us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 30, 2007, 10:40:35 PM
The McGourty interview does not seem to have appeared on the Sunday Tribune website yet, which may tell us something. He specifically said that he was staying with St Gall's but looking for work in the Dublin area. Unless he is planning to acquire an address in Down, that would appear to make any transfer to us highly unlikely. Scullion was properly registered with Carryduff, so the circumstances were different.

Our line-up for the friendly against Louth seems to have looked the part, but I would agree with Downredblack that places will have to be found for Clarke, Cole and Murtagh. Walsh is a tight call, and, assuming he is not injured, Aidan Burns should also be fairly close. With McComiskey a good bet to play at some stage, there is much more competition for places than we might have previously thought. McCrickard would be a gamble at midfield, as his peformances at county level have been mixed. He was good against Laois in the league, but reportedly very poor in the final game at Galway. I would not rule him out, as our options there are limited. However, if Paul Murphy is really coming into form, perhaps our Ballyholland contributors would offer a view on on the idea that he might be the man to switch to the middle and win any breaking ball which big Dan misses in the air.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on May 01, 2007, 07:44:51 AM
From Monday night - Div 3 refixture: Bright 3-9; Saul 1-8 - have to say Bright deserved the win (they wanted it far more) and we're going to have a real yoyo season. Goals win and lose matches as we've seen before plus at some point we really need to do some serious referee ass kissin. Being a Saul supporter and a Leeds fan, this is some tough week - where's that bottle again?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 01, 2007, 09:35:55 AM
QuoteBeing a Saul supporter and a Leeds fan, this is some tough week

:D  ;D  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fear Boirche on May 01, 2007, 01:31:22 PM
How did Packie Downey do v Louth? Has he done enough to play himself into the Championship team?
Maybe he is the type of player we need. Seems to play with no fear and, if played in two-man ff line, would solve the problem of Benny getting isolated so often when he plays there.

BTW, don't think Kevin and Brendan McGourty are cousins as both have fathers called Sean and that would just be confusing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on May 01, 2007, 01:36:38 PM
he can fetch a ball, got rough ttreatment at the sigerson weekend took off in the semi and never gota run in final despite noyt playing that badly.thot may have shattered confidence but apparantly did well against galway
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 01, 2007, 01:46:18 PM
reviewed Division 3 table after Bright's win over Saul last night:

Team   Played   Won   Drew   Lost   GF   PF   GA   PA   Diff   Pts
Drumgath   5   4   0   1   9   71   12   39   23   8
Tullylish   4   4   0   0   2   46   2   41   5   8
Bosco   5   3   0   2   7   50   5   43   13   6
Glenn   4   3   0   1   6   22   2   32   2   6
Tec'aught   5   3   0   2   2   31   5   52   -30   6
Bredagh   4   2   1   1   2   38   3   29   6   5
Dundrum   4   2   0   2   6   45   3   49   5   4
Mitchels   5   2   0   3   4   45   8   44   -11   4
Bright   5   1   1   3   5   52   2   62   -1   3
Ardglass   5   1   1   3   2   45   5   49   -13   3
Saul   5   1   0   4   5   43   9   30   1   2
St. Paul's   5   1   0   4   10   41   10   59   -18   2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on May 01, 2007, 03:18:17 PM
 We paid in the last day we were there .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on May 01, 2007, 05:01:43 PM
McGourty is a mouth piece with no manners are respect. Jody Gormley done right to banish him and it would be a sad day for Down football if we were to welcome him into our county set up. Can't ever see proud men like DJ, Ross or Decky Mussen opening the door for trouble makers from another county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 01, 2007, 10:39:50 PM
Anyone know which Point players fell out with each other on the field Friday night?


Ballyholland drew 9 apiece with Saval tonight in a game we really should have won. Referee played for a draw and got the result he wanted. The game wasn't a great spectacle, but was tense throughout.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 02, 2007, 10:01:22 AM
As of last night the round of Antrim league fixtures for sunday are still going ahead, Seamus Walsh couldn't get the Antrim fixtures deferred so that'll have an adverse affect on the Down seniors who are to play Dublin in Ballela on sunday. At this point in time I really can't see that game going ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on May 02, 2007, 02:33:40 PM
   
From Hogan Stand



County footballers preparing for Cavan clash
02 May 2007


The Down senior footballers are busily preparing for their Ulster SFC clash with Cavan in Kingspan/Breffni Park, Cavan on Sunday, 13th of May.

Last weekend they played a SF challenge game with Louth to mark the official opening of the magnificent new Saval pitch and complex. The final score of the game was 4-16 to 1-11 in favour of the Mourne side.

Down fielded their strongest side of the season, and into the bargain won their first football game of the year. They dominated the game from start to finish with Dan Gordon in tremendous form in the midfield sector, while the defence as a unit were very solid and gave the Louth forwards very little room to get scores.

In attack, Benny Coulter was back to his inspirational best in the full-forward berth, while his best support came from Daniel Hughes who scored two goals and Drumgath clubman Packie Downey who impressed throughout the game.

Down were always in command in this game and led at the interval by 2-9 to 0-4 with their goals coming from Hughes and Coulter. They continued to press forward in the second-half playing some great attacking football which the Louth side couldn't compete with.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on May 02, 2007, 03:45:03 PM
i see someone from ballyholland having an awful go at burren about transfers over on the hoganstand site. was that you wobbler?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 02, 2007, 04:56:36 PM
Nah it wasn't. I tend to attach my name to anything I write.

If truth be told, Burren's resurgence doesn't owe that much to the McCartans, but to their underage set-up instead. They're still some way behind the Bridge, for all that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 02, 2007, 05:05:35 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 02, 2007, 10:01:22 AM
As of last night the round of Antrim league fixtures for sunday are still going ahead, Seamus Walsh couldn't get the Antrim fixtures deferred so that'll have an adverse affect on the Down seniors who are to play Dublin in Ballela on sunday. At this point in time I really can't see that game going ahead.
That's very tough on Ballela. They've been planning for this event for 2 years and had 6th May in the master fixtures list agreed by Down County Board. Hard to see what else they could do. The first draft of the Antrim fixtures didn't clash but they were changed. It would be a farce putting out a junior team to take on Dublin seniors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on May 02, 2007, 09:16:42 PM
QuoteAnyone know which Point players fell out with each other on the field Friday night?


One of them was Eddie O'Hare who was eventually sent off for kicking.  I also heard that an An Riocht player was sent off for pushing/bumping into a referee - will be interesting what the Co. Board do about this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ITOB on May 02, 2007, 11:02:08 PM
Any truth that Bight got a hammering from  Bredagh tonite?  Where does that leave Saul?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on May 03, 2007, 08:02:58 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 02, 2007, 05:05:35 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 02, 2007, 10:01:22 AM
As of last night the round of Antrim league fixtures for sunday are still going ahead, Seamus Walsh couldn't get the Antrim fixtures deferred so that'll have an adverse affect on the Down seniors who are to play Dublin in Ballela on sunday. At this point in time I really can't see that game going ahead.
That's very tough on Ballela. They've been planning for this event for 2 years and had 6th May in the master fixtures list agreed by Down County Board. Hard to see what else they could do. The first draft of the Antrim fixtures didn't clash but they were changed. It would be a farce putting out a junior team to take on Dublin seniors.
If this is true, it's a disgrace and a real slap in the face to Ballela. It will be very hard to get anything else organised at this late stage. I understand the Antrim fixtures were changed to faciliate North Antrim clubs who like to play senior and reserve hurling as a double header on Sunday afternoons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 03, 2007, 09:05:14 AM
Quote from: Bacon on May 03, 2007, 08:02:58 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 02, 2007, 05:05:35 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 02, 2007, 10:01:22 AM
As of last night the round of Antrim league fixtures for sunday are still going ahead, Seamus Walsh couldn't get the Antrim fixtures deferred so that'll have an adverse affect on the Down seniors who are to play Dublin in Ballela on sunday. At this point in time I really can't see that game going ahead.
That's very tough on Ballela. They've been planning for this event for 2 years and had 6th May in the master fixtures list agreed by Down County Board. Hard to see what else they could do. The first draft of the Antrim fixtures didn't clash but they were changed. It would be a farce putting out a junior team to take on Dublin seniors.
If this is true, it's a disgrace and a real slap in the face to Ballela. It will be very hard to get anything else organised at this late stage. I understand the Antrim fixtures were changed to faciliate North Antrim clubs who like to play senior and reserve hurling as a double header on Sunday afternoons.

In fairness to the Antrim fixtures secretary he was only informed about the Down/Dublin game on monday night past. The fact the the sunday was allegedly free up until a month ago was just down to good fortune more so than planning as the Down county board had set it aside on their masters fixture list but hadn't informed Antrim of their intentions until very recently.
It's all a bit messy and Ballela deserve better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 03, 2007, 09:08:58 AM
Quote from: ITOB on May 02, 2007, 11:02:08 PM
Any truth that Bight got a hammering from  Bredagh tonite?  Where does that leave Saul?

dont think it was a hammering, 5 points in it at the end I think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MadMick007 on May 03, 2007, 09:20:49 AM
The arrangement of the Down V Dublin game for the opening of Ballela's new ground has been some what of a fiasco which has been soley caused by Down County Board. Down County Board had only confirmed with Antrim County Board beginnig of this week that they wanted to keep the weekend free. There was plenty of talk around this match but from Down. These Antrim fixtures have been published for Months and it seems hard to believe Down County board have only tried to re-arrange these fixyures since Sunday. Antrim have implemented a strong policy this year of ensuring all fixtures are played and hence they have not agreed to change these fixtures at such short notice. The latest I have heard is that the Antrim league fixtures will go ahead with the Senior game being played first, 1.30 and then the county players will rush to get the ferry to be in Ballela for a 6.00pm throw in between Down and Dublin. With Ulster league games scheduled for Saturday it will mean county players will play three matches in 2 days. I believe Ballela need some answers!!  :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 03, 2007, 09:29:34 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 03, 2007, 09:08:58 AM
Quote from: ITOB on May 02, 2007, 11:02:08 PM
Any truth that Bight got a hammering from  Bredagh tonite?  Where does that leave Saul?

dont think it was a hammering, 5 points in it at the end I think

any word on a score line SB?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 03, 2007, 09:57:17 AM
Not a good story on Ballela.

Results from Monday/Tuesday night.

Div 1
Shamrock's 2-16 2-14 Liatroim
Portaferry 2-05 0-10 Ballygalget

Div 2
Bredagh 3-09 0-05 Warrenpoint
Castlewellan 3-10 3-15 Ballyvarley
Clonduff bt Ballycran

Minor HL
Clonduff 2-11 0-01 Kilclief
Bredagh 4-12 4-06 Liatroim
Portaferry 5-17 1-07 St Patrick's
Ballycran bt Ballygalget
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale3 on May 03, 2007, 10:49:33 AM
RESULTS: DIV 3 Bredagh 2-12 Bright 2-06
Minor E Down League Bredagh 2-10 Drumaness 1-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 03, 2007, 11:07:10 AM
Quote from: lecale3 on May 03, 2007, 10:49:33 AM
RESULTS: DIV 3 Bredagh 2-12 Bright 2-06
Minor E Down League Bredagh 2-10 Drumaness 1-10

Cheers Lecale3, any relation to Lecale2?  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale3 on May 03, 2007, 11:26:23 AM
No - only in spirit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 03, 2007, 02:49:42 PM
 Liquid spirits you mean  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Armagh Exile on May 03, 2007, 08:15:53 PM
Is Daniel Hughes still in the senior panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 03, 2007, 09:18:10 PM
Quote from: MadMick007 on May 03, 2007, 09:20:49 AM
The latest I have heard is that the Antrim league fixtures will go ahead with the Senior game being played first, 1.30 and then the county players will rush to get the ferry to be in Ballela for a 6.00pm throw in between Down and Dublin. With Ulster league games scheduled for Saturday it will mean county players will play three matches in 2 days. I believe Ballela need some answers!!  :-[
If that is the case Mad Mick they should be letting people know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on May 03, 2007, 09:31:29 PM
ACFL Div 1

burren  1-08
mayobridge 1-10

competitive match all over.  good result for 'bridge. 
just a note on state of burren field,  the amount of wee stones on it was unreal.  players had the knees cut of them.  something to do with drainage i think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 03, 2007, 09:39:32 PM
Hope gutsy did a good job for the Bridge with the stats.   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saffron sam2 on May 04, 2007, 08:39:00 AM
Quote from: Fear Boirche on May 01, 2007, 01:31:22 PM
How did Packie Downey do v Louth? Has he done enough to play himself into the Championship team?
Maybe he is the type of player we need. Seems to play with no fear and, if played in two-man ff line, would solve the problem of Benny getting isolated so often when he plays there.

BTW, don't think Kevin and Brendan McGourty are cousins as both have fathers called Sean and that would just be confusing.

Kevin's father Sean Og and Brendan's father Sean Mor are cousins.  Both were members of the St. Gall's team that won the Ulster club title in 1982.

Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 30, 2007, 11:13:08 AM
Firstly - Saval, great setup down there now, i dont think ive seen a pitch that looks as flat in a long time, looked to be a perfect surface.

Was up there the other night - I don't think I have ever seen a surface that is so good.  A credit to the club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 04, 2007, 12:32:27 PM
QuoteFirstly - Saval, great setup down there now, i dont think ive seen a pitch that looks as flat in a long time, looked to be a perfect surface.


In fairness lads if you're starting from scratch and paying somebody like Prunty two fortunes to lay a pitch then you would expect it to be flat with a good surface. I think more credit is due to clubs who maintain a older pitches in pristine condition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on May 04, 2007, 12:38:53 PM
Sams , Have you heard how RM's injury is going , will he be fit for Cavan ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on May 04, 2007, 01:48:19 PM
By all accounts D Rooney will be starting in full back, and B Grant in centre half. Grant has reportedly been playing excellent for the bridge in CHB, hope he can carry this in to county football, and hope he's up to the pace of the game after been left out for league campaign. Full back was always going to be a problem area for us as it has been over this past couple of years, I'm glad they are not going to try and play Grant here as he struggled last year especially and never looked comfortable. The league campaign if it done nothing else for the management it at least showed them who isn't capable of playing full back. I assume Rooney must be doing the buisness in trainin and might just be the best option available. He seems to be the type of player who'll give his all no matter where he's asked to play and he's good hands. Hope it works out.......
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 04, 2007, 02:05:03 PM
DownRB....I heard Rony's injury officially described as a "niggle" and if thats the case he'll be fit....there's no point asking him how he is cos he's always busting to play. His head would need to be hanging off before he would tell he was not fit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 04, 2007, 03:37:18 PM
May 6th - Official Opening of new Ballela pitch:

Pairc na Naimh (All Saints Park)

2 pm - Blessing of the Pitch by the Very Rev. Paddy Joe Murray PP and official opening of the pitch by Paddy Mc Flynn, past GAA president.

3 pm - NHL Down Juniors v Leitrim Juniors,
referee: Gerard Devlin.

6 pm -  Down  v Dublin ,
referee: Hugh Pat McCusker.

Evening Entertainment:

Barney Greene

Country Hopscotch

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on May 04, 2007, 09:40:25 PM
Annaclone 2-15 Kilclief 1-8

Heard that Saval drew with Ballymartin and Downpatrick beat Banbridge with a goal at the last kick of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on May 04, 2007, 09:44:06 PM
Warrenpoint beaten again, by 1 point this time by Ballyholland.  Another man sent off with a straight red also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 04, 2007, 09:55:12 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Mitchels 1-11  Dundrum 2-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 04, 2007, 10:04:24 PM
Down ACFL Division 3
glenn beat newry bosco by one point,both teams poor, glenn playing terribal but still win! good win away from home for the john martins side
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 04, 2007, 11:26:03 PM
Down ACFL Division 3
Tullylish 0-14  Teconnaught 0-07

St Michaels beat Ballykinlar by 6 in Division 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 04, 2007, 11:32:14 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Saul 1-12  St Pauls 0-11

Anyone know how Drumgath v Ardglass went?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 04, 2007, 11:35:09 PM
Down ACFL Division 1

Bryansford 0-10  Longstone 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 04, 2007, 11:37:11 PM
Down ACFL Division 2

Shamrocks 3-09  Carryduff 1-07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 05, 2007, 12:15:41 AM
Down GAA Results Friday 4th May
O'Neills International Sportswear ACFL
Div 1
Rostrevor 0:10 An Riocht 2:6
Clonduff 3:11 Castlewellan 1:7
Longstone 0:10 Bryansford 0:10
Kilcoo 0:14 Loughinisland 0:5
Burren 1:8 Mayobridge 1:10
Liatroim 0:12 Atticall 0:10
Div 2
Shamrocks 3:9 Carryduff 1:7
Warrenpoint 2:10 Ballyholland 1:14
Clan Na Banna 1:9 Downpatrick 2:7
Darragh Cross 1:15 Glasdrumman 0:12
Annaclone 2:15 Kilclief 1:8
Saval 1:12 Ballymartin 2:9
Div 3
Drumgath 1:9Ardglass 1:13
Mitchels 1:11 Dundrum 2:11
Tullylish 0:14 Teconnaught 0:9
Saul 1:11 St. Pauls 0:9
Bosco 1:5 Glenn 0:9
Bredagh 2:12 Bright 2:6
Div 4
St. Johns 7:17Aughlisnafin 0:2
Aghaderg 0:9 Drumaness 4:16
Ballykinlar 2:3 St. Michaels 1:12
Democrat Media Hurling Leagues
Div 1
Kilclief v Ballycran
Portaferry 2:5 Ballygalget 0:10
Shamrocks 2:16 Liatroim 2:14
Div 2
Ballygalget v Portaferry
Bredagh 3:9 Warrenpoint 0:5
Clonduff v Ballycran
Castlewellan 3:10 Ballyvarley 3:15


Our game against Warrenpoint was exciting if not perhaps of the highest quality, as both sides were down a number of main players. It was a warm, still night and forwards were on top throughout. Harps dominated possession for long periods, but couldn't ever get any distance between them and their opponents, partly due to to poor shooting, partly due to two soft goals. Harps entered injury time a point down. With five minutes extra played, we made it in in front, and another two minutes passed before we were safe. During all that injury time Anthony Grimes was sent off for striking an umpire. The 'Point have a decent shell of a team, but are going to stuggle to field a team soon at this rate.

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Post by: Pangurban on May 05, 2007, 09:55:57 PM
You have to admire the Fins doggedness and perseverance and hope they get there eventually, they certainly deserve a result
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on May 06, 2007, 11:35:59 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on May 05, 2007, 09:55:57 PM
You have to admire the Fins doggedness and perseverance and hope they get there eventually, they certainly deserve a result
Didn't they beat Ballykinlar last year? I think Ballykinlar were missing a few that day - away in Iraq.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on May 07, 2007, 09:44:08 AM
Got down to Ballela for the senior challenge match with Dublin. It finished Down 3-11 Dublin 1-27. Walk in the park for the dubs. All our lads had played a match earlier in the day and it showed.  Magic looked sharpe, Graham Clarke was strong as ever in nets and Keiran Countney isn't out of place in senior hurling. With so many lads missing and the club and junior matches earlier in the day I'm not sure what Gerard Coulter learned from this.
Well done Ballela you have a great set up there now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 08, 2007, 10:04:24 AM
 Did any of the other lads not turn up for the senior game? I heard Brendan McGourty didn't go even though there was a car ready to pick him up off the ferry boat?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on May 08, 2007, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 08, 2007, 10:04:24 AM
Did any of the other lads not turn up for the senior game? I heard Brendan McGourty didn't go even though there was a car ready to pick him up off the ferry boat?
Andy Savage & Paddy Hughes weren't there either. Or if they were they didn't play. Simon Wilson wasn't playing either but I think he's injured.
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Post by: Whitehair on May 08, 2007, 10:58:09 AM
Andy Savage was there just not togged out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 09, 2007, 03:24:45 PM
Our reserves got beaten by Newry last night and I was fairly impressed with big Courtney in midfield although his big loopy swing needs a bit of work and will find him out at county level if he doesn't get it sorted. I suppose he gets away with it at this level plus he pumps everything high into the edge of the square which was understandable last night as Eoin McGuinness was proving a handful and getting scores on the edge of the square. McGuinness is a handy enough tool himself and knows where the posts are, strong as an ox and most definately has something to offer at a higher level.

How did any of the other hurling games go last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 09, 2007, 03:42:56 PM
We(ballela) were beaten by liatroim, by roughly 12 points maybe a few more. It was 0.7 to 0.4 at half time to them, we tired second half and they scored 2 goals inside 2minutes with about 5min to go through Aidan Brown and Liam Morgan. We put in a spirited preformance considering we were doubtful to field beforehand which was pleasing. I remember we beat ballygalget 2nds away two seasons ago, i hope for the sake of down hurling they dont deteriorate as alarmingly as we have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 09, 2007, 04:10:59 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 09, 2007, 03:24:45 PM

How did any of the other hurling games go last night?

In Div 2 Ballycran beat Ballyvarley 5-15 to 0-05 and Bredagh beat Clonduff 4-10 to 1-00. The Div 1 game between Ballycran and Portaferry was put off until tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 09, 2007, 11:34:24 PM
DOWN MINOR TEAM TO PLAY CAVAN
Sunday 13th May 2007-05-08

   Player         Club
1. Kieran Gordan      Loughinisland
2. Conor Doyle       An Riocht
3. Ryan Mallon      Warrenpoint
4 Niall Higgins      Annaclone
5. Ryan Boyle      Warrenpoint
6. Micheal Higgins      Ballymartin
7. Ryan McGovern      Burren
8. Ruairi Digney      Saval
9. Eamon Toner      Burren
10. Paul Devlin      Kilcoo
11. Conor Poland      Longstone
12. Ben O'Reilly       Loughinisland
13. Christopher Killen      An Riocht
14. Sean Murdock      Burren
15. Paul McPolin      Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on May 10, 2007, 12:38:21 AM

Not a single newry man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 10, 2007, 08:06:35 AM
Down v Cavan - Irish News this morning

M.McVeigh
D.McCartan
D.Rooney
K.McGuigan
R.Murtagh
B.Grant
J.Clarke
J.Lynch
D.Gordan
J.McGovern
A.Carr
R.Sexton
D.Hughes
P.Downey
B.Coulter

Subs not named.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 10, 2007, 08:46:24 AM
They'll hardly play as lined out - will they?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snatter on May 10, 2007, 09:39:33 AM
QuoteNot a single newry man

nope. There's  not a single Downpatrick or Newcastle man either.
Says more about Down GAA's lack of presence in the larger towns than anything else.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on May 10, 2007, 10:35:01 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 10, 2007, 06:13:47 AM
Does it matter that there isnt a single Newry man on the minor team

Obviously, my wonder is that a town like newry with such a proud history of producing down footballers can't produce a county minor between their 4 (?) clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 10, 2007, 10:51:49 AM
I wouldn't get too up upset about Newry not having a minor player, Uladh, and it's hardly something new -  I'd say it's happened at least 5 times in the last decade.

I can only speak for my own club and say that during the past few years we've only had one lad who was really hard done by, Paddy McAnulty in 2005 - but as Down went on win the AI that year, it's not like we can argue. The way a couple of youngsters have shaped up this season though, under-21 call-ups next year aren't out of the equation.

But, for as long as I can remember, minor and under-21 squads in our county very rarely reflect the best of what's out there. Players who were outstanding at under-14, if only because they happened to be three times the size of anyone else, are kept on board because they've got a name around the county, while springers, those lads who come out of nowhere at 16 and are senior players at 17, are often ignored. Having a father who played for the county means you will definitely be involved, no matter your ability. Clubs like Clonduff, Rostrevor, and Burren will always have representatives, deserving or not.

Then you get a player like Connaire Harrison, a one man scoring machine for Glassdrumman in Division II for the past two seasons, who can't get a look in, while the squad has a handful of lads who will never play senior football.


Hardstation - I think Ryan Boyle is a brother of John. He's definitely got a bit of class about him, and a good engine to get up and down. He was impressive against us in the Division II play-offs last season.
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Post by: behind the wire on May 10, 2007, 11:34:05 AM
funny you should say that wobbler about connairre harrison, i played against him last year and thought he was a very good player. i took it he must have been overage this year and thats why he wasnt selected. dont know what they be thinking at times. we have a lad who is still a minor playing center half back for us in division 2 but didnt get a look in. yet they had a lad from our club training with them that would be lucky to get a game for our reserves, an thats saying something.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 10, 2007, 11:48:25 AM
Quote from: behind the wire on May 10, 2007, 11:34:05 AM
funny you should say that wobbler about connairre harrison, i played against him last year and thought he was a very good player. i took it he must have been overage this year and thats why he wasnt selected. dont know what they be thinking at times. we have a lad who is still a minor playing center half back for us in division 2 but didnt get a look in. yet they had a lad from our club training with them that would be lucky to get a game for our reserves, an thats saying something.

I once got talking to a guy about minor football in Down and he reckoned there was too much emphasis but on the McRory cup and college players to the detriment of the then vocational schools and lads maybe out working from the age of 16 up who were playing regular adult club football and seemed to be not 'in the know' as he put it. I don't know if he had his own misconceptions or agenda but what is the feeling you lads who are closer to the ground on this issue.

I can only speak for the Ulster colleges hurling allstars but some of the lads who've won them in the past aren't worth the full of my arse in warm snow so I never really give them much value or credance. Ditto the Ulster writers awards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on May 10, 2007, 12:25:04 PM
'aren't worth the full of my arse in warm snow'

Never heard that expression before, must be an Ards thing!!! Pure poetry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 10, 2007, 12:38:31 PM
shocking senior team lads, i cant believe how bad it is.....i hope i am proved so fkn wrong, but god i am travelling with no faith watsoever in this team.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on May 10, 2007, 12:46:15 PM
GY , Shocking is a bit strong ? Cant be too many surprises in the team ,  I presume Cole and Walsh aren't fit . Who would you have in that is not there ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on May 10, 2007, 12:49:34 PM
that would be my take on it too johnnycool, but only to a certain extent. sometimes the argument about macrory cup etc is used by people who are just annoyed that they (or their sons) didnt get selected for the panel.
i definitely think that fellas who are out working dont get as good a chance as lads still at school. as i was saying earlier the lad playing chb for us is only 17 but he is out working as a spark. the lad that did get called up, although not as good, goes to the college.

then again this argument has been going round for years yet we have had reasonable success in the minors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 10, 2007, 12:53:16 PM
Maybe my initial comment should have been more measured, but I am unnerved by this selection. honestly i cant believe it....i dont want to go into individuals cos that isnt fair at all, but really i dont hold much hope.

I have just looked at the Cavan team, and yeah if we can get the ball into Benny & Danny then we have a chance, but I am very worried about Cavan's forward line - it looks very strong.

Is Micky still best gk in Down?? Has Declan Rooney ever played at 3 (unless he moves to 6 from the start and Grant moves back - that has to be the plan?) I would have money to get onto Jason O'Reilly for first goal or at least to score a goal in 70 mins, but I think overall we will struggle big time from 2-4.

Midfield - we always struggle against Dermot, depends just how fit he is, is he carrying injuries? at full tilt we dont have a midfielder to match him.....

half forward line has some doubts, but I hope they sail through. 6 debutants by my account? thats tough going....







Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 10, 2007, 01:37:58 PM
Disaster of a team if you ask me.

For starters Rooney aint the Full Back we need, he was as consistent as can be throughout the league at no 6 and played the anchoring role really well, he should have been kept there. Grant is not match fit as far as i can see and my only fear is him getting roasted or tiring very quickly or both.

Ronan Murtagh is too good a forward and not designed for defensive duties and should be up front leading the attack with Danny, with both running like f**k at the cavan defence at every opportunity.
Murphy or Henry should be in wing back in Ronans absence to stick to defensive duties and add a bit more energy or bite and die on the scraps around the middle, either have shown to be capable enough to do this.

Jackie should have been maybe shaded to midfield place by Mc Crickard, solely because Collie can anchor the midfield alot better while Dan can forage forward a bit more, i dont trust Jackie to keep his cool for full match and to definitely get caught up in some sort of shite in the game picking up a booking for sure. Also he is inclined to go walkies sometimes, so for me mc crickard is the more solid reliable option.

The half forward line for me is the biggest joke. Apart from sexton who has been in great form, the other two for me should be picking splinters from their arse on the bench, to put it simply, their work rate is nowhere near good enough, their tempermant isnt the greatest and they dont get their hands on enough dirty ball and the physicality of the whole line leaves alot to be desired. I Know options are limited on the bench but id near say that both Mc Govern & Carr have had more game time or on-field minutes this season than any other panel members - this line just doesnt inspire me at all, although i hope im wrong and il be the first to admit it if so.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on May 10, 2007, 02:12:31 PM
Brick, 'Rooney aint the Full Back we need' who is??? its fair to say that over the past number of seasons various players have been tried in this position and failed! Whats the point in persisting with the same fellas in a position like this.

Ronan Murtagh, although being one of the best club forwards in Div.2 has done very little to inspire for the county as a forward, if he can improve his defensive skills and control his temper he can cause problems as an attacking half back IMO.

Having said that, I can see Murtagh being switched into the forward line at some stage and Rooney moving out if things don't go to plan.

To be fair to Jackie Lynch, if he kept his 'head' in Crossmaglen he can keep it anywhere.

The half forward line have a major job ahead on sunday, but with Walsh and Doyle (later in the year) to come in if they can force their way then it might not be the disater you think.

Down should win the midfield, cavan have been poor in this dept throughout the league- even with mccabe. On mccabe, he will be a sweeper on sunday, he did this throughout the league, any time down attack he will drop back infront of benny and co.

Disaster of a team is a bit of an over exaggeration. What would your team be? And remember Ross and DJ are not togging out, you have to use what is available! ;)

God help the whole set up if they are beat on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on May 10, 2007, 02:16:35 PM
The last time I saw McCrickard catch a high ball for Down  was in the warm up before the Sligo match a couple of years ago . So I'm happy enough to see Lynch get his chance .
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Post by: Lecale2 on May 10, 2007, 02:28:47 PM
What has happened to the County Board Office in Castlewellan. I called round this morning to deliver some mail and there it was not there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on May 10, 2007, 06:39:38 PM
i see over on hoganstand they say 'mayobridge clubman declan rooney is looking forward to leading out down on sunday'.
a tiny bit of research wouldn go amiss.  this isn't the first time they have been wrong!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fear Boirche on May 10, 2007, 06:42:20 PM
Quotei see over on hoganstand they say 'mayobridge clubman declan rooney is looking forward to leading out down on sunday'.

Oh no  :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 10, 2007, 10:19:50 PM
anyone directions to the Drumgath pitch from Belfast?
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Post by: charlie stubbs on May 10, 2007, 10:21:27 PM
any truth in the rumour that mark connolly and dan mccabe are leaving for the states after a falling out with drumgath?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 10, 2007, 10:26:03 PM
if I get there I will ask  ;)

where is it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 10, 2007, 10:28:20 PM
Charlie, connolly & mcabe had planned to go to the states this summer for quite a while now-theres been no falling out.

Square Ball, just head for banbridge & take the left turn for rathfriland [opposite the creamery] off the main dual carraigeway.when you get to the top of the hill at rathfriland turn right & go down the hill, taking the road for newry.the pitch is about 1.5 miles out the newry road-you cant miss it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 10, 2007, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on May 10, 2007, 10:28:20 PM
Charlie, connolly & mcabe had planned to go to the states this summer for quite a while now-theres been no falling out.

Square Ball, just head for banbridge & take the left turn for rathfriland [opposite the creamery] off the main dual carraigeway.when you get to the top of the hill at rathfriland turn right & go down the hill, taking the road for newry.the pitch is about 1.5 miles out the newry road-you cant miss it.

wanna bet

thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Class of 99 on May 11, 2007, 08:04:19 PM
Couldnt agree more we the full back position has been a mayor worry for a long time. Even Alan Molloy couldnt fill it and sadly the same has to be said for Brendan Grant. He is undoubtedly a good defender so hopefully the number 6 shirt will suit him better.
One positive I did take from the legue was that the defenders seemed more relectunt to foul as any easy way out, compared to previous years.
Maybe D.J. has them defending a little more cleverly.
I think Jackie has to be given a chance and I fancy him strongly to do a job on McCabe, word from some Cavan colleagues is that he cant run and demands too much of the ball. I hope they arent putting up a smoke screen who can forget the weapon of mass destruction Coleman unleashed on us a few years back.
The half forward line does however give cause for concern, but with the likes of Walsh, Doyle and even maybe Ambrose all injured who else could we have played maybe Boyle in place of car and Burns instead of Mcgovern?.
Im hoping for a good showing from the Down support on Sunday, so we can get behind the team have a funny feeling Doyle and D Rafferty might get to see some Championship football this year, please God im right. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 11, 2007, 08:59:55 PM
ACFL DIVISION 3

DRUMGATH 3-6   BREDAGH 0-16

Drumgath got what they deserved from this game.....nothing. They were outplayed by Bredagh throughout the game & only a couple of late goals, one with the last kick of the ball, covered up the cracks in a very poor Drumgath performance. A well deserved Bredagh victory.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 11, 2007, 09:09:39 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Dundrum 0-07  Teconnaught 0-09

Probably like most games the night it pissed down. We were never ahead at any stage. It was 0-05 all at halftime. They had most of the ball in the 2nd half and were denied three goal chances by our excellent keeper who kept us in it. We never really lookd like winning. It was just one of those nights were it didnt happen for us. Bredagh on Monday will be a very big game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 11, 2007, 09:23:25 PM
Down ACFL Division 1
Bryansford 3-06 Castlewellan 1-11
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Post by: passedit on May 11, 2007, 09:24:17 PM
St Pauls 1.11 Glen 1.9.  Glen up 8:4 at half time, dissappeared in the second half. Having your full back kick the ball out (especially when he's only kicking it 30 metres) is suicide. Micky Curran up to his usual standard.


Tullylish 10 Mitchells 5. walk in the park for Tullylish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 11, 2007, 10:22:53 PM
Down ACFL Division 2

Ballymartin 3-16  Carryduff 1-05

Another dastardly defeat for the upper bourgeoisie!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 11, 2007, 10:46:35 PM
Down GAA Results Friday 11th May

O'Neills International Sportswear ACFL

Div 1

Loughinisland 1:11 Mayobridge 0:11

Castlewellan 1:11Bryansford 3:6

Rostrevor 0:13 Liatroim 1:6

Atticall 0:7 An Riocht 0:9

Longstone 0:10 Clonduff 0:13

Burren 0:6 Kilcoo 1:13

Div 2

Glasdrumman 0:10 Kilclief 0:10

Shamrocks 1:5 Saval 2:12

Ballyholland 2:8 Downpatrick 3:5

Clan Na Banna 1:14 Warrenpoint 2:5

Annaclone (Mon) Darragh Cross

Ballymartin 3:17 Carryduff 1:5

Div 3

Drumgath 3:6 Bredagh 0:16

Bright (Tues) Ardglass

Dundrum 0:6 Teconnaught 0:9

Tullylish 0:10 Mitchels 0:4

St. Pauls 1:11 Glenn 1:9

Bosco 0:7 Saul 1:8

Div 4

Aughlisnafin 0:5 Aghaderg 2:15

Drumaness 0:16 Ballykinlar 1:2

St. Michaels 2:16 Dromara 0:5


------------------------------------

We messed up against Downpatrick, as we were four points up with a minute and a half to go. They scored their third goal of the night right at the start of injury time. Up to then it was a good performance, with only the concession of a couple of soft goals blotting the copybook.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 11, 2007, 11:19:48 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 11, 2007, 09:09:39 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Dundrum 0-07  Teconnaught 0-09

Probably like most games the night it pissed down. We were never ahead at any stage. It was 0-05 all at halftime. They had most of the ball in the 2nd half and were denied three goal chances by our excellent keeper who kept us in it. We never really lookd like winning. It was just one of those nights were it didnt happen for us. Bredagh on Monday will be a very big game.

is that a starred game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 12, 2007, 12:13:40 AM
Quote from: passedit on May 11, 2007, 09:24:17 PM
St Pauls 1.11 Glen 1.9.  Glen up 8:4 at half time, dissappeared in the second half. Having your full back kick the ball out (especially when he's only kicking it 30 metres) is suicide. Micky Curran up to his usual standard.


very poor from glenn AGAIN, keeper injured after just 20 mins and glenn without their down minor keeper, no more options left, unlucky! hard to see glen get a win away from home to tullilish on mon nite in the rescheduled fixture
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Post by: ITOB on May 12, 2007, 01:13:55 AM
Well done Wobbler on getting us all the results.  Excellent work. 

Div 3 Tabel looks like this, I think

Team   Played   Points
Tullylish    6   12
BREDAGH    6   9
Drumgath    7   8
T'conaght    7   8
Glenn    6   8
Bosco    7   6
Saul    7   6
Dundrum    6   6
Ardglass    6   5
Michells    7   4
St Pauls    7   4
Bright    6   2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 12, 2007, 02:46:53 AM
Well done Wobbler,first class service
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on May 12, 2007, 07:35:58 AM
Carryduff appear to have gone to the dogs. What's going on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on May 12, 2007, 09:28:17 AM
l'island 1-11
'bridge 0-11

bridge were playing catch up from early on here, conceded goal in first 20 seconds, couldn ever get it back, it was more or less point for point after that.  played in terrible conditions we always seem to struggle on what is bound to be one of the smallest fields in county. star man was jamie o reilly, he run the bridge defence ragged, def one for the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 12, 2007, 11:48:53 AM
Square Ball, As far as I am aware our game v Teconnaught was starred. We were without Paul McComiskey who is with the Down Seniors and Declan Kavanagh who is with the Down Minors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 12, 2007, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 12, 2007, 11:48:53 AM
Square Ball, As far as I am aware our game v Teconnaught was starred. We were without Paul McComiskey who is with the Down Seniors and Declan Kavanagh who is with the Down Minors.

I think this game was originally a starred game prior to it being reschd, could be a good game down there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownHead on May 12, 2007, 07:25:15 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 11, 2007, 09:09:39 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Dundrum 0-07  Teconnaught 0-09

Probably like most games the night it pissed down. We were never ahead at any stage. It was 0-05 all at halftime. They had most of the ball in the 2nd half and were denied three goal chances by our excellent keeper who kept us in it. We never really lookd like winning. It was just one of those nights were it didnt happen for us. Bredagh on Monday will be a very big game.

Who is the dundrum keeper, was tlkin to someone from warrenpoint and was told that he played 2 years of macrory for st colmans!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 12, 2007, 07:48:38 PM
Colum King more than likely, he's 20, ginger haired fella.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownHead on May 13, 2007, 01:49:51 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on May 12, 2007, 07:48:38 PM
Colum King more than likely, he's 20, ginger haired fella.

Is he any good?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownHead on May 13, 2007, 07:09:57 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 13, 2007, 11:00:33 AM
Just reading about Colum King, what ever happened to Callum King from Bryansford, is he still playing football or has he given it up completely?

Callum King i believe left football a lock of years ago to pursue his career in boxing!! just wondering does anyone no much about this keeper king, because i just found out that his father Ned was the captin of the last down u-21 team to win the all-ireland!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ITOB on May 13, 2007, 07:25:06 PM
Beyjasus, if he's anything like Ned he do for me.  Made of teak.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on May 13, 2007, 09:55:55 PM
With the Ulster Championship replay down for next Sunday in Newry, does anyone know what that means for the all-county league series this Friday and the Monday after that??   Fridays or Mondays games postponed or Friday's become starred games??

Anyone able to shed any light?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on May 13, 2007, 10:02:47 PM
Series 11 has been brought forward and will be played on Friday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on May 13, 2007, 11:16:16 PM
Quote from: Cloc Mor on May 13, 2007, 10:02:47 PM
Series 11 has been brought forward and will be played on Friday night.

Thanks CM - where did you see that ?  So the June 1st fixtures will now be down for this Friday as they were the next set of starred games?  Whats the reasoning behind that? If Down get past Cavan on Sunday (as I expect they will with some defensive control) then we'll have to have a new set of starred games for June 1st anyway
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 14, 2007, 09:14:54 AM
Quote from: DownHead on May 13, 2007, 07:09:57 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 13, 2007, 11:00:33 AM
Just reading about Colum King, what ever happened to Callum King from Bryansford, is he still playing football or has he given it up completely?

Callum King i believe left football a lock of years ago to pursue his career in boxing!! just wondering does anyone no much about this keeper king, because i just found out that his father Ned was the captin of the last down u-21 team to win the all-ireland!

Callum King has indeed quit football and despite being approached several times has no interest in returning - Ross and DJ also tried to entice him back. He was also U21 this year so youth is on his side.
He was beat in the Ulster Heavyweight Final, and narrowly missed qualifying for the Commonwealth games, his latest craze though is Cage Fighting and recently competed on the Kings Hall bout and was choked in the third round of his fight!!
In talking to Callum he told me POR ruined his career and remember he did throw him in at the deep end in the Div 2 Final in Croke Park and then took him off again - Callum was only a raw 18 year old at this stage and despite intervention from Eamonn Burns who was instrumental in Callum's career up to this point, POR wouldnt listen on Eamonn's plea to hold back on him for a few years and in the end Bryansford and Down lost a future star. Thats the case with Callum King......wonder if he would have made yesterdays team!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 14, 2007, 11:06:21 AM
Yip, Colum King is a son of Ned's. He's been our Senior goalkeeper in Dundrum now for about 5 years. Like a lot of Dundrum ones, he went to the College in Newry. As far as I am aware he done goals for the MacRory in Upper Sixth. He is an excellent shot stopper and his kickouts are good. If John Gibney was still with us it would have been an interesting tussle for the Number 1 jersey.

PS - What is the craic with the fixtures on Friday and Monday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 14, 2007, 11:18:38 AM
CHANGES TO

Down GAA Fixtures



Monday 14th May

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Burren v An Riocht off

Castlewellan v Longstone off

Mayobridge v Liatroim off

Div Two

Annaclone v Darragh Cross

Div Three

Tullylish v Glenn

Dundrum v Bredagh off

PRFL

Ballymartin v Loughinisland

Friday 18th May 7pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

(Note Change to Next 'Starred' Series)

Div One

Atticall v Loughinisland

Liatroim v Clonduff

Mayobridge v Castlewellan

An Riocht v Bryansford

Kilcoo v Longstone

Rostrevor v Burren

Div Two

Ballymartin v Glasdrumman

Saval v Warrenpoint

Shamrocks v Annaclone

Kilclief v Ballyholland

Carryduff v Downpatrick

Darragh Cross v Clann Na Banna

Div Three

Bright v St. Pauls

Bredagh v Mitchels

Drumgath v Bosco

Glenn v Dundrum

Ardglass v Teconnaught

Saul v Tullylish

Div Four

St. Michaels v St. Johns

Dromara v Aghaderg

Drumaness v Aughlisnafin

Sunday 20th May 12pm

(NB. Earlier Start)

PRFL One

Warrenpoint v Clonduff

Rostrevor v Bryansford

Downpatrick v An Riocht

Mayobridge v Longstone

Burren v Liatroim

PRFL Two

Annaclone v Carryduff

Castlewellan v Saval

Kilclief v Tullylish

Loughinisland v Ballymartin

theres been a lot of changes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on May 14, 2007, 10:03:13 PM
Annaclone 1-05 Darragh Cross 1-09

Awful game and an awful performance by Annaclone.  Didn't deserve anything from the game.

Should reserve teams seriously be expected to play this Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 14, 2007, 10:05:43 PM
Good result for Darragh. Their form has picked up again with the inclusion of Brendan McGourty and Gary Kennedy.
Any word on the Tullylish v Glenn game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on May 15, 2007, 10:17:39 AM
Quote from: cloneman on May 14, 2007, 10:03:13 PM

Should reserve teams seriously be expected to play this Sunday?


Good point Cloneman!!

Whats the craic there?

This is depriving all the reserve players in East and South down, their management, and the referees the chance to watch the county match!!

Sort it out County Board!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 15, 2007, 10:43:49 AM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on May 15, 2007, 10:17:39 AM
Quote from: cloneman on May 14, 2007, 10:03:13 PM

Should reserve teams seriously be expected to play this Sunday?


Good point Cloneman!!

Whats the craic there?

This is depriving all the reserve players in East and South down, their management, and the referees the chance to watch the county match!!

Sort it out County Board!!


Surely a sunday morning throw in is the answer, unless all the mass goers get a tad annoyed!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on May 15, 2007, 11:18:37 AM
The premier reserve matches are at 12 noon and the east and south down games are at 7pm.

Are ye all going to Newry on yer bicycles?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 15, 2007, 11:30:05 AM
South Down reserve games have been postponed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on May 15, 2007, 12:11:00 PM
Quote from: passedit on May 15, 2007, 11:18:37 AM
The premier reserve matches are at 12 noon and the east and south down games are at 7pm.

Are ye all going to Newry on yer bicycles?

You try going to the game in Newry at 4.15 then getting out of the traffic to go play a game in Hollywood or Carryduff or Teconnaught at 7!!

It's not gonna happen!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 15, 2007, 02:54:03 PM
Thank god the SD Reserve games are off. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 15, 2007, 03:05:09 PM
County board needs to do all in their power to make sure Sunday's match brings a full house to Newry.
I hope the county's publicity machine  promotes the fact that it's a superb venue and Down's 1st home USFC in 8 years,it is not all-ticket and kids get in free.In addition Down's performance in Breffni gives hope that we could get a bit of a run this year.
I hope the county board sees that this fixture offers an opportunity to resurrect a bit of enthusiasm in the county.As an  East Down man ,I had reservations about developing Newry,but I now accept that in terms of facilities,location and access it is among the best venues in the country.Here's hoping we have close to 20,000 roaring Down to victory on our home turf.

PS. Now that we have Newry,the sooner the county board sells Newcastle to develop a centre of excellence for training our county teams,the better!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on May 15, 2007, 03:16:53 PM
Agree 100%
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on May 15, 2007, 04:55:35 PM
I see EDRFL fixtures have been put on the down website today for games on sunday at 7pm, what a joke!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 15, 2007, 05:28:37 PM
Tullylish beat Glenn by 6 points in Division 3 on Monday Night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SuperHans on May 15, 2007, 08:23:22 PM
Here lads what ever happened to Simon Poland? Does he still play or is he passed it?
Paudie Matthews was a decent player, is he not county standard?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on May 15, 2007, 08:32:58 PM
Both still playing with their clubs.  Paudie was in County panel earlier in the year but was dropped.  Both could still be playing with Down if they had been given more of a chance by Pete Mc Grath, instead of him playing all his 'greats' - probably one of the reasons Down football is in the state it is today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 15, 2007, 09:00:58 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballela 1.5 Ballygalget 1.12

Broke even around the middle but ballygalget have more than 1 scoring forward which made the difference. We hit about 12 wides to their 2, possibly 3!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 15, 2007, 09:36:22 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on May 15, 2007, 09:00:58 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballela 1.5 Ballygalget 1.12

Broke even around the middle but ballygalget have more than 1 scoring forward which made the difference. We hit about 12 wides to their 2, possibly 3!
And your umpire gave a goal that wasn't even close to the line from where I was standing! Plus a couple of dodgy 65s  ;) Anyway good to see Ballela fielding a good young team - there's hope for the future for ye. You had a good game yourself whiteface (wasn't that you at No 5?).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on May 15, 2007, 09:47:16 PM
Most of the rest of the games were called off because of county matches at weekend. Why were you in Ballela Lecale?  ;) If the ball didn't cross the line why was it given?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 15, 2007, 10:31:50 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on May 15, 2007, 09:47:16 PM
Most of the rest of the games were called off because of county matches at weekend. Why were you in Ballela Lecale?  ;) If the ball didn't cross the line why was it given?

A bit of hometown umpiring is the answer to that.
The decision to award the penalty in itself was a bit ropey in the first place. The fullforward and fullback were going for a ball dropping wide, the fullforward ended up in the ballscreen after a bit of pushing, one was as bad as the other in my partisan view. How Paul ended up giving a penalty for that is beyond me. He certainly didn't give his former fellow parishoners any benefits of the doubt tonight.
Poor game in all with Ballygalget still struggling to get enough scores on the board that their possession upfield merits, same story last week against Newry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 15, 2007, 10:33:15 PM
Lecale,
     what happened when your game against our thirds was cancelled?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 15, 2007, 10:44:31 PM
Even if it was a penalty it should have been cancelled when big Joe kicked out at the full back.

Quote from: johnneycool on May 15, 2007, 10:33:15 PM
Lecale,
     what happened when your game against our thirds was cancelled?
With a load of cry-offs due to work & injury we couldn't field both tonight and tomorrow in the Antrim league. Ballygalget were happy to oblige.

Quote from: Colonel Cool on May 15, 2007, 09:47:16 PM
Why were you in Ballela Lecale?  ;)
I was supposed to be in Newry for the Ballycran game. When that was cancelled decided to go to Ballygalget and when that was cancelled there was only Ballela left!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on May 16, 2007, 08:54:15 AM
Good to see Ballela back after their problems of the past few weeks. I hear the manager wee Mal resigned. Is that anything to do with the improved turn outs?
Any other results from last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 16, 2007, 10:10:55 AM
Aye we were saying last nite that the lad who was doing umpire scores more for us when he's off the pitch than when he's on it! :D The turnouts have improved a bit over the last few weeks, although Mal seniors depearture hasnt had a bearing on it, just been the case of a fews more lads showing a bit of commitment. Was that a full strength galgets 2nd team? What team are spike and paudi mc manus playing for this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 16, 2007, 02:18:31 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on May 16, 2007, 10:10:55 AM
What team are spike and paudi mc manus playing for this year?

Spikes a waster and hasn't bothered his hole at all this year. Wee Paudie has had to hang up the boots at a very young age due to a problem with one of his hips. more's the pity as he was some talent.

We were probably short two or three who would be deemed seconds players, but some of our better forwards last night are thirds players so to speak.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 16, 2007, 02:52:15 PM
Quote from: Cloc Mor on May 15, 2007, 08:32:58 PM
Both still playing with their clubs.  Paudie was in County panel earlier in the year but was dropped.  Both could still be playing with Down if they had been given more of a chance by Pete Mc Grath, instead of him playing all his 'greats' - probably one of the reasons Down football is in the state it is today.

You cant blame Pete for making Poland leaving Bryansford to join Castlewellan where he only played a handful of games, this caused his game to go into decline and he then returned to Bryansford in 2004, only a squad player now though at 31 years.
Poland had a grievance with Bryansford over Family issues and asked for a Transfer, Castlewellan accepted his proposal and set up a bank account in his name with a dodgy address, Bryansford declined to sign the forms but Kevin Bell (our great chairman) duly agreed to it and granted the move, this was around the time of the The McCartan Clan moving to Burren, Simon Gribben Bryansford to Castlewellan, Hanna Ballykinlar to Castlewellan, McGrady St John's to castlewellan etc etc - this was Kevin Bell at his best! - and he got back in again!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on May 16, 2007, 05:19:42 PM
Quote from: Bacon on May 16, 2007, 08:54:15 AM

Any other results from last night?
Div 1
Portaferry 7-19 3-08 Kilclief
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 16, 2007, 05:31:54 PM
Ardglass beat Bright by a point in Division 3 last night on Bright's new training pitch which is nearly as small as their previous pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 16, 2007, 05:51:56 PM
simon poland was a cracking player - 6 ft 2, awkward as sin to play against (known as the octopus!) and a great engine - he could have been a county player for yrs! POR didnt fancy him and never asked him into the panel....that was a mistake. Simon's head was all over the place at the best of times.....but he definitely had more years in him.

paudie matthews (and paul shields for that matter) should have played for down for years. paudie got crucified v oisin in 99 ulster and shieldsy got hammered for kevin brady antrim 2000 - i dont think either performance helped their longevity, but in my opinion both could have played from 99-2006 at least, allowing proper transition time for grant / clarke / etc etc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on May 16, 2007, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 16, 2007, 05:51:56 PM

paudie matthews (and paul shields for that matter) should have played for down for years. paudie got crucified v oisin in 99 ulster and shieldsy got hammered for kevin brady antrim 2000 - i dont think either performance helped their longevity, but in my opinion both could have played from 99-2006 at least, allowing proper transition time for grant / clarke / etc etc

Both excellent footballers, but lacked pace and were badly exposed on the two occasions you mentioned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 17, 2007, 07:10:07 AM
Latest All County league tables:
(http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/leaguetables/full_allcounty_leaguetables.htm)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on May 17, 2007, 10:29:34 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on May 16, 2007, 10:10:55 AM
Aye we were saying last nite that the lad who was doing umpire scores more for us when he's off the pitch than when he's on it! :D The turnouts have improved a bit over the last few weeks, although Mal seniors depearture hasnt had a bearing on it, just been the case of a fews more lads showing a bit of commitment. Was that a full strength galgets 2nd team? What team are spike and paudi mc manus playing for this year?

I was talking to one of the McCusters last night & he was telling me the 17 year old Ballela full forward had an arm and 3 ribs broke in an off the ball striking incident involving one of the more experienced Ballygalget defenders. To say they aren't happy about it is an under statement!
Apparently the ref didn't see the incident as it happened behind his back well off the ball but he booked the offender on the word of the umpire.
Disgraceful behaviour.
Can any one who was at the match comment further?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 17, 2007, 11:17:45 AM
I was there but didn't see what happened. There was nothing the ref could do. The ball was at the far end of the field (as was I) and when he looked around the young lad was lying on the deck. He was clearly in some pain and was taken off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 17, 2007, 11:33:13 AM
It was Mark Cosgrave he's 20, but could pass for 16 tho! About 5'7 and prob under 10st.  I hadnt heard it was broke, i'l hear more tonight at training. He played on for the duration of the match but he told me after the match he was in some pain. He's a real hardy soul and i think opposition this he's an easy target due to his stature. He said he and the full back were running out following the puckout and the ballygalget fullback drew into him, i think with the butt of the stick. I'd asked him did he do anything to provoke it and he said there was nothing!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 17, 2007, 12:51:03 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on May 17, 2007, 11:33:13 AM
It was Mark Cosgrave he's 20, but could pass for 16 tho! About 5'7 and prob under 10st.  I hadnt heard it was broke, i'l hear more tonight at training. He played on for the duration of the match but he told me after the match he was in some pain. He's a real hardy soul and i think opposition this he's an easy target due to his stature. He said he and the full back were running out following the puckout and the ballygalget fullback drew into him, i think with the butt of the stick. I'd asked him did he do anything to provoke it and he said there was nothing!

Didn't see it myself either and I'm being an Arsene Wenger on this as the ball was being pucked out at the time. Both them were at it just before that as the ball dropped in. I'm not condoning what happened but I think it was the butt of the hurl and not the full blooded pull that Bacon is implying that it was. If he got a bad injury out of it that's unfortunate. as manys a person has given and taken a butt in the ribs and lived to tell the tale.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on May 17, 2007, 01:37:30 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 17, 2007, 12:51:03 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on May 17, 2007, 11:33:13 AM
It was Mark Cosgrave he's 20, but could pass for 16 tho! About 5'7 and prob under 10st.  I hadnt heard it was broke, i'l hear more tonight at training. He played on for the duration of the match but he told me after the match he was in some pain. He's a real hardy soul and i think opposition this he's an easy target due to his stature. He said he and the full back were running out following the puckout and the ballygalget fullback drew into him, i think with the butt of the stick. I'd asked him did he do anything to provoke it and he said there was nothing!

Didn't see it myself either and I'm being an Arsene Wenger on this as the ball was being pucked out at the time. Both them were at it just before that as the ball dropped in. I'm not condoning what happened but I think it was the butt of the hurl and not the full blooded pull that Bacon is implying that it was. If he got a bad injury out of it that's unfortunate. as manys a person has given and taken a butt in the ribs and lived to tell the tale.
I wasn't implying anything. Just repeating what I was told "there was an off the ball striking incident". The lad I spoke to was at the match and didn't see it either. It could have been a fist, boot, hurl or thunderbolt from God for all I know but the outcome was a young lad lying injured. Ballela can't afford to lose anybody at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 17, 2007, 10:13:24 PM
Mark has two cracked ribs in his back and a cracked bone in his elbow. He said it was the narrow side of the bottom of the stick not the butt as i first thought, certainly nothing like a Brian O'Meara v Liam Dunne type tussle. Im sure he'l miss a few matches and a week or so off work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ITOB on May 18, 2007, 08:32:59 AM
Hurling? 
Don't I know much about it but an Antrim Head once told me it's akin to leagalised punishment beatings.  This incident seems to fit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 18, 2007, 08:39:29 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on May 17, 2007, 10:13:24 PM
Mark has two cracked ribs in his back and a cracked bone in his elbow. He said it was the narrow side of the bottom of the stick not the butt as i first thought, certainly nothing like a Brian O'Meara v Liam Dunne type tussle. Im sure he'l miss a few matches and a week or so off work.

Sorry to hear that. It's never good when things like that happen.


Quote from: ITOB on May 18, 2007, 08:32:59 AM
Hurling? 
Don't I know much about it but an Antrim Head once told me it's akin to leagalised punishment beatings.  This incident seems to fit.

f**k off back to whatever stone you crawled from under. p***k.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on May 18, 2007, 09:07:53 AM
Quote from: ITOB on May 18, 2007, 08:32:59 AM
Hurling? 
Don't I know much about it but an Antrim Head once told me it's akin to leagalised punishment beatings.  This incident seems to fit.
ITOB - Go back to your dirty pictures you pervert!

As for the incident at Ballela - I'll sure the Ballygalget lad didn't mean to injury the young fella to that extent but nobody should be missing work because of shit like this. Someone in Ballygalget club needs to have a word with the full back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 18, 2007, 09:00:32 PM
Div 3 Result

Bredagh 2-16 Newry Mitch 0-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 18, 2007, 09:46:24 PM
Good win for Bredagh against a team that gave them major problems last year in the JFC.
Title: Re: USFC Round 1 : An Cabhan V An Dun
Post by: cloneman on May 18, 2007, 09:48:05 PM
Annaclone 1-10 Shamrocks 1-7

banbridge drew with darragh cross
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 18, 2007, 09:53:04 PM
 :(

Down ACFL Division 3

Glenn 2-09  Dundrum 2-09

Awful weather, awful game, awful performances. Glenn are completely shite. We were yet again very poor. We have no buzz and our play is flat. Im praying for some divine intervention to kickstart our season. God are you listening?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 18, 2007, 09:55:26 PM
ACFL DIV3

DRUMGATH 1-10     BOSCO 1-10


Awful game of football, Drumgath stealing a draw with a very late goal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 18, 2007, 10:13:34 PM
apparently Saul beat Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 18, 2007, 10:19:32 PM
apparently  kilclief beat ballyholland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 18, 2007, 10:23:15 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Teconnaught 2-06  Ardglass 0-07

Fair play to Teconnaught. They are shaping up well. As for Ardglass - f**k knows whats going on with them.

In Division 2 Ballymartin beat Glasdrumman by 14.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 19, 2007, 12:47:05 AM
Down ACFL Division 3

Bright 2-09  St. Paul's 2-08

As already stated, the game was played in extreme weather conditions, which spoilt the game, along with the worst and most biased refereeing performance I have ever seen in my life, one prime example being two guys, with both hands on the ball, trying to pull it out of each others hands, and the ref blows and gives a free to Bright, can anyone explain this to me!!! Even the Bright support thought we were being shafted!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 19, 2007, 12:49:04 AM
Down GAA



RESULTS

Friday 18th May

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Atticall 0:9 Loughinisland 1:5

Liatroim 1:6 Clonduff 1:9

Mayobridge 1:7 Castlewellan 3:6

An Riocht 0:8 Bryansford 0:7

Kilcoo 1:13 Longstone 0:9

Rostrevor 0:8 Burren 0:5

Div Two

Ballymartin 2:10 Glasdrumman 0:3

Saval 3:10 Warrenpoint 0:5

Shamrocks 0:10 Annaclone 1:10

Kilclief 1:10 Ballyholland 0:7

Carryduff 2:2 Downpatrick 3:15

Darragh Cross 0:9 Clann Na Banna 1:6

Div Three

Bright 2:9 St. Pauls 2:8

Bredagh 2:16 Mitchels 0:11

Drumgath 1:10 Bosco 1:10

Glenn 2:9 Dundrum 2:9

Ardglass 0:5 Teconnaught 2:6

Saul 0:13 Tullylish 0:8

Div Four

St. Michaels 3:10 St. Johns 0:6

Dromara v Aghaderg (off)

Drumaness 1:15 Aughlisnafin 0:2

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 19, 2007, 08:43:39 AM
Division three is very close, everyone it beating everyone else and Saul seem to overcome theire bad start as do Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 19, 2007, 11:31:49 AM
Down GAA League Tables - 2007  updated 18/05/2007   
                       
     
A.C.F.L. Division 1     
Club Played Won Draw Lost Points Diff Goals Points Goals Points 
     For For Against Against 
Kilcoo 7 5 1 2 11 33 9 93 7 66 
Clonduff 8 5 1 2 11 3 13 74 12 74 
Rostrevor 8 5 0 3 10 10 3 87 8 62 
Mayobridge 7 4 1 2 9 29 12 69 7 55 
An Riocht 7 3 3 1 9 2 6 67 4 71 
Longstone 7 3 2 2 8 3 3 78 4 72 
Bryansford 8 3 2 3 8 -6 8 72 8 78 
Liatroim 7 2 3 2 7 -3 3 68 1 77 
Loughinisland 8 3 1 4 7 -7 8 61 3 83 
Castlewellan 7 2 0 5 4 -5 7 79 11 72 
Burren 7 2 0 5 4 -11 6 54 5 68 
Attical 8 1 0 7 2 -26 1 69 9 71 
       
       
A.C.F.L. Division 2     
Club Played Won Draw Lost Points Diff Goals Points Goals Points 
Saval 8 6 2 0 14 54 11 89 5 53 
Annaclone 7 5 1 1 11 22 5 83 5 61 
Downpatrick 8 5 1 2 11 22 12 83 11 64 
Ballymartin 7 4 2 1 10 39 12 72 2 63 
Ballyholland 8 4 2 2 10 17 9 74 8 60 
Clann na Banna 8 4 1 3 9 -7 6 77 12 66 
Shamrocks 8 2 2 4 6 -6 6 60 7 63 
Kilclief 8 2 2 4 6 -11 4 81 7 83 
Glasdrumman 8 2 2 4 6 -22 5 68 6 87 
Darragh Cross 7 2 1 4 5 -18 2 64 6 70 
Warrenpoint 7 1 0 6 2 -41 6 52 6 93 
Carryduff 8 1 0 7 2 -42 7 52 10 85 
     
     
A.C.F.L. Division 3     
Club Played Won Draw Lost Points Diff Goals Points Goals Points 
Tullylish 8 7 0 1 14 27 4 97 2 76 
Bredagh 7 5 1 1 11 24 6 82 8 52 
Teconnaught 8 5 0 3 10 -1 12 55 5 77 
Drumgath 8 4 1 3 9 16 14 94 14 78 
Glenn 8 4 1 3 9 -2 9 61 8 66 
Saul 8 4 0 4 8 25 7 85 9 54 
Bosco 8 3 1 4 7 10 9 73 8 66 
Dundrum 7 3 1 3 7 6 10 70 6 76 
Ardglass 8 3 1 4 7 -21 3 75 10 75 
Bright 8 2 0 6 4 -17 9 68 6 94 
St Pauls 8 2 0 6 4 -21 11 61 12 79 
Mitchel's 8 2 0 6 4 -31 5 71 12 81 
     
A.C.F.L. Division 4     
Club Played Won Draw Lost Points   
Drumaness 7 7 0 0 14   
St. Michael's 7 6 0 1 12   
St. John's 7 4 0 3 8     
Aghaderg 6 3 0 3 6   
Dromara 6 2 0 4 4   
Ballykinlar 6 1 0 5 2   
Aughlisnafin 7 0 0 7 0   
Killyleagh 0 0 0 0 0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 21, 2007, 09:55:35 AM
Guys,

does anybody know the results of any of the matches that had to be postponed in division 3 over the last few weeks, see details below:

Round 2
Tullylish (off) Glenn

Round 5
Dundrum OFF Bredagh

Round 7
Bright (Tues) Ardglass

any details would be much appreciated!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 21, 2007, 10:55:29 AM
St Pauls, don't know exact scorelines but Tullylish beat Glenn by 6, Ardglass beat Bright by 1 and our game with Bredagh has not been played yet. PS. How do you think our Senior game will go tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 21, 2007, 11:09:44 AM
DF,

the way our season has been going I am not going to make any predictions for tonights game, but it could go any way, we have been playing well enough just not really fit to close out games. It could go any way, as long as we turn up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 21, 2007, 11:32:31 AM
True St Pauls, I think this one tonight is anybody's game. The last time we played yous up there it ended in a draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 21, 2007, 11:34:55 AM
Fingers crossed, would be happy with a draw but more so if we were to get the two points. We have to win all the rest of our home games if we are to stand any chance of staying up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on May 21, 2007, 11:40:28 AM
Oh come on St Paul's, can't be saying that you would be happy with a draw from a home game when we're sitting with 4 points at this stage of the season. That attitude doesn't tally with the fierce you're not getting past me, haircut
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 21, 2007, 11:59:26 AM
not really, but it is better than nothing. after friday night, i have doubts about some people's reserve for the fight we now have on our hands. some of our guys can play a lot better than they did, including myself!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on May 21, 2007, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on May 18, 2007, 09:55:26 PM
ACFL DIV3

DRUMGATH 1-10     BOSCO 1-10


Awful game of football, Drumgath stealing a draw with a very late goal.

Torgael what has happened to drumgath? they're dropping a lot of points!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 21, 2007, 01:46:52 PM
Drumgath's recent drop in performances highlights the farce of the starred system.Any system which disadvantages clubs,who provide county players can not be allowed to continue.Also,the fact that our county men (minors and seniors)are playing a club game 24hrs after a USFC championship is crazy.
There is a solution to this club/county problem,but it will require a radical transformation of club football.Though this can benefit all clubs and players,I have no confidence that enough of our club representatives on the county board give a damn about players!

PS:Though one swallow doesn't make a summer,absolutely delighted yesterday on 3 fronts.

1.The superb attitude and performance of our players/management team.
2.We now have one of the best venues in the country.Well done Club Down---now for a training centre of excellence for our county teams.
3.Great turnout-15,000 mostly Down fans.I hope yesterday will further enhance the new found enthusiasm among Down fans.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 21, 2007, 07:40:29 PM
Plenty of games thiis week.
Monday 21st May 7:30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Atticall v Bryansford

Loughinisland v Castlewellan

Mayobridge v An Riocht (off)

Rostrevor v Clonduff

Longstone v Burren

Kilcoo v Liatroim

Div Two

Ballymartin v Downpatrick

Glasdrumman v Ballyholland

Kilclief v Carryduff

Shamrocks v Warrenpoint

Clann Na Banna v Annaclone

Darragh Cross v Saval

Div Three

Bright v Teconnaught

St Pauls v Dundrum

Glenn v Ardglass

Drumgath v Mitchels

Tullylish v Bosco

Saul v Bredagh

Div Four

St. Michaels v Drumaness

Dromara v Aughlisnafin

Ballykinlar v St. Johns

Tuesday 22nd May 7:30pm

Democrat Media Hurling Leagues

Div One

Ballygalget v Liatroim

Ballycran v Ballela

Kilclief v Shamrocks

Div Two

Portaferry v Ballycran

Warrenpoint v Ballyvarley

Bredagh v Castlewellan

Clonduff v Ballygalget

Friday 25th May 7:15pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Castlewellan v Atticall

Loughinisland v An Riocht

Bryansford v Mayobridge

Longstone v Rostrevor

Clonduff v Kilcoo

Burren v Liatroim

Div Two

Ballyholland v Ballymartin

Glasdrumman v Carryduff

Downpatrick v Kilclief

Clan Na Banna v Shamrocks

Warrenpoint v Darragh Cross

Annaclone v Saval

Div Three

Dundrum v Bright

St. Pauls v Ardglass

Teconnaught v Glenn

Tullylish v Drumgath

Mitchels v Saul

Bosco v Bredagh

Div Four

Aghaderg v Ballykinlar

St. Johns v Dromara

Aughlisnafin v St. Michaels

Sunday 27th May

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One o/s

Castlewellan v Longstone

Mayobridge v Liatroim

Burren v An Riocht

Div Three o/s

Dundrum v Bredagh

Monday 28th May 7:30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div Two o/s

Warrenpoint v Ballymartin

ACPRFL

Div One

Liatroim v Kilcoo

Longstone v Burren

An Riocht v Mayobridge

Bryansford v Downpatrick

Clonduff v Rostrevor

Div Two

Tullylish v Castlewellan

Saval v Kilclief

Saul v Anaclone

Carryduff v Loughinisland

Tuesday 29th May 7:30pm

Democrat Media Hurling Leagues

Div One

Portaferry v Shamrocks

Kilclief v Ballela

Ballycran v Liatroim

Div Two

Bredagh v Portaferry

Clonduff v Warrenpoint

Castlewellan v Ballycran

Ballygalget v Ballyvarley



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 21, 2007, 07:56:25 PM
Half Time Saul v Bredagh 06 to 06
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 21, 2007, 08:42:32 PM
Saul 2-13 Bredagh 0-09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 21, 2007, 09:03:59 PM
ACFL DIV3

DRUMGATH 1-11  MITCHELS 1-12

It just gets worse !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on May 21, 2007, 09:17:53 PM
Banbridge 1-6 Annaclone 1-16

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 21, 2007, 09:25:33 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

St. Paul's 2-12 Dundrum 3-15

Tight enough game at times with us coming back on a number of occasions, but as soon as we got within closing distance, Dundrum came down the field and got another few scores to open the lead up again. We played the best football of our season tonight, but we only seem to be able to do it against the bigger name teams, its against the teams on the same level as us we need to be doing it against to get some points on the board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on May 21, 2007, 10:44:46 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Glenn lost at home to Ardglass - 7 or 8 points in it at the end
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 22, 2007, 02:19:53 AM
wobbller think the promotion/relegation affair is quite easy to understand, a motion was put forward concerning league and championship however it was defeated, therefore nothing has changed, easy as..

though totally agree on all other fronts, however is that perhaps our own fault for not taking up a place on the commity or putting our names forward for club rep?

just a thought, we are always very quick to critise but perhaps slow to act
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 22, 2007, 08:21:16 AM
  Kilclief stuffed Carryduff by about 20 points last night.  Carryduff were woefully bad.  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 22, 2007, 08:22:10 AM
WPoint 0-16 Shamrocks 0-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 22, 2007, 09:55:12 AM
Attical 1.02 Bryansford 2.11 - Atticall clearly punching above their weight, though we will take the win after An Riocht beating us on Friday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 22, 2007, 09:59:28 AM
ACHL Div1

Ballycran v Ballela: Postponed at the request of ballycran
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: magoo on May 22, 2007, 10:19:39 AM
Anyone heard last nights league results
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on May 22, 2007, 10:59:09 AM
Monday 21st May
O'Neills International Sportswear League
Div One
Atticall 1:3 Bryansford 2:13
Loughinisland 1:6 Castlewellan 1:7
Mayobridge (off) An Riocht
Rostrevor 0:14 Clonduff 2:14
Longstone 0:12 Burren 0:10
Kilcoo 0:12 Liatroim 0:8

Div Two
Ballymartin 0:9 Downpatrick 1:10
Glasdrumman (Tues) Ballyholland
Kilclief 2:15 Carryduff 0:4
Shamrocks 0:9 Warrenpoint 0:16
Clann Na Banna 1:6 Annaclone 1:16
Darragh Cross 0:7 Saval 0:12

Div Three
Bright 0:8 Teconnaught 3:5
St Pauls 2:12 Dundrum 3:15
Glenn 1:8 Ardglass 3:8
Drumgath 1:11 Mitchels 1:12
Tullylish (off) Bosco
Saul 2:13 Bredagh 0:9

Div Four
St. Michaels 2:11 Drumaness 2:17
Dromara 5:21 Aughlisnafin 1:4
Ballykinlar 0:7 St. Johns 1:13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on May 22, 2007, 11:22:44 AM
what seems to have happened up in carryduff?they havnt seemed competitive in their last two games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 22, 2007, 11:29:48 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on May 22, 2007, 09:59:28 AM
ACHL Div1

Ballycran v Ballela: Postponed at the request of ballycran

Postponed by the county board at the request of the county minor management you mean.

Is the Kilclief vrs Newry game not off as well due to Finty Conways and Ciaran courtney's involvement??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 22, 2007, 12:22:05 PM
Latest Down ACFL Division 3 Table

Tullylish 14pts
Teconnaught 12pts
Bredagh 11pts
Saul 10pts
--------------------------------
Drumgath 9pts
Dundrum 9pts
Glenn 9pts
Ardglass 9pts
--------------------------------
Bosco 7pts
Mitchels 6pts
St Pauls 4pts
Bright 4pts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 22, 2007, 12:36:56 PM
DF,

the only change to that would be we are below Bright on points difference (unfortunately)!! Did you make it to the game last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 22, 2007, 12:54:49 PM
   St Pauls, I was there all right - primed and ready to be called in to action. Was on the subs bench, didnt get a runout. It was an excellent game to watch. We just pulled away at the end. To be honest there isnt much between our two teams in regards to standard of play. I thought your Number 12 was excellent as was your boy Conor McIllroy. The only problem I seen with St Pauls was lack of discipline.
   It is imperative that you boys stay up. Because out of the teams Ive seen so far this year yous are probably one of the toughest we have played. We got a big boost getting McComiskey and Kavanagh back and it seemed to lift our players.
   From my memory this must be the most close and exciting Division 3 in the past 7 or 8 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 22, 2007, 01:01:41 PM
DF, no 12 was Conor's brother Kevin, and i agree with you about that, didn't think Conor had as much an impact as you seem to have.
Our discipline does need to be dealt with, we need to learn to keep our mouth's shut when the ref gives a decision against us, but after the referees in our last 2 games you can hardly blame us. for your penalty last, your umpire behind that goal agreed with me that it was never a penalty!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on May 22, 2007, 02:39:23 PM
St Pauls, it was lack of discipline and the Dundrum No6 having the freedom to run straight through the middle unmarked at any time that done for us last night.
As in some previous games it only seems to take 1 dodgy decision and this puts several players off their game and more intent on shouting down the ref at every opportunity.

It's a pity cause on the games I've seen we've shown the ability to play the type of football that could have/should have seen us win most of these games. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 22, 2007, 03:05:43 PM
useless, i know exactly what you mean, instead of putting the ball down and going ahead and playing the game, some of us prefer to shout at the ref to try and get him to change his mind, which he of course won't, and by that stage have lost track of their man and have to chase back to mark him again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on May 22, 2007, 05:54:20 PM
Tor Gael there's a bit of a debate going on on th Down Vs Cavan thread about the ability/worth of packie downey, just out of interest, how did he play for Drumgath last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDunYeGo on May 22, 2007, 09:13:29 PM
East down gael, the duff are missing 10-12 of their starting team through injury and one or 2 suspensions, so are basically playing with a reserve team at the min
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 22, 2007, 10:33:36 PM
Fior Gael,.......Packie Downey didnt play for Drumgath last night......studying for exams was the story being told.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 23, 2007, 07:48:14 AM
ACHL Div 2
Bredagh 4-17 0-02 Castlewellan
Clonduff v Ballygalget OFF
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 23, 2007, 08:48:16 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 23, 2007, 07:48:14 AM
ACHL Div 2
Bredagh 4-17 0-02 Castlewellan
Clonduff v Ballygalget OFF

Our seconds beat Liatroim by 4 points, but we're struggling to put out a thirds string at the minute with injuries and exams, so we couldn't field against Clonduff last night.

Is promotion between Clonduff and Bredagh Lecale?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 23, 2007, 09:15:11 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 23, 2007, 08:48:16 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 23, 2007, 07:48:14 AM
ACHL Div 2
Bredagh 4-17 0-02 Castlewellan
Clonduff v Ballygalget OFF

Our seconds beat Liatroim by 4 points, but we're struggling to put out a thirds string at the minute with injuries and exams, so we couldn't field against Clonduff last night.

Is promotion between Clonduff and Bredagh Lecale?

It's looking that way. Castlewellan have gone to the dogs and Clonduff are a good young side. The Clonduff game was called off at 6.30 so I guessed you were struggling for numbers.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 23, 2007, 10:54:22 AM
ACFL Div 2

Harps beat Glasdrumman away by 3 points in a tight battle last night. Good performance by our boys as we were missing 7 or 8 first choice players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 23, 2007, 11:24:20 AM
Quote from: TORGAEL on May 22, 2007, 10:33:36 PM
Fior Gael,.......Packie Downey didnt play for Drumgath last night......studying for exams was the story being told.
Hope he hasnt forgot his roots already!
His club should come first no matter what!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on May 23, 2007, 01:50:02 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 23, 2007, 11:24:20 AM
Quote from: TORGAEL on May 22, 2007, 10:33:36 PM
Fior Gael,.......Packie Downey didnt play for Drumgath last night......studying for exams was the story being told.
Hope he hasnt forgot his roots already!
His club should come first no matter what!

Wise up Spirit!!

What do you expect the lad to do when he has an exam the morning after the game on a Monday night!!!

Playing Mitchels isn't gonna pass him his exams, and it surely won't get him a degree!!!

Missing one game doesn't make any less of a clubman!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on May 23, 2007, 04:56:28 PM

[/quote]

Wise up Spirit!!

What do you expect the lad to do when he has an exam the morning after the game on a Monday night!!!

Playing Mitchels isn't gonna pass him his exams, and it surely won't get him a degree!!!

Missing one game doesn't make any less of a clubman!!
[/quote]

Rumour has it he was on the beer all day in Gorman's Mayobridge with 3 other Down senior players and didn't even do his exams!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 23, 2007, 09:53:46 PM
Square Ball, im just enquiring here about your Seniors match against Saul. Were Saul the better team or did the game change after Jody Gormley got a straight red?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 24, 2007, 02:18:15 PM
Fior Gael, i had heard that rumour re Packie, Benny & others on the piss in Gormans myself...........but as it was Packie's own father who had told me was studying for exams, i had to take that as being the truth !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 24, 2007, 06:18:28 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 23, 2007, 09:53:46 PM
Square Ball, im just enquiring here about your Seniors match against Saul. Were Saul the better team or did the game change after Jody Gormley got a straight red?

DowFanatic

wasnt at the game, first one i have missed this year, couldnt get the kids looked after. we were 6 down and recovered to go in at half time all square, we were 2 points down when Jody was sent off, i have heard a few different stories as to why, so saying nothing. they seem to be a hell of a lot better than they were at the start of of the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on May 24, 2007, 08:44:20 PM
S,B/D,F
Saul where two points up when jody got sent off he had been trying to play the sweeper role in front off the full back line, and as the goals came after he went off you could say he was playing well also scoring a point from that position, although in the second half saul lost their playmaker JP to injury at the same time and still went on to score 2.4 to 0.2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 24, 2007, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: off the laces on May 24, 2007, 08:44:20 PM
S,B/D,F
Saul where two points up when jody got sent off he had been trying to play the sweeper role in front off the full back line, and as the goals came after he went off you could say he was playing well also scoring a point from that position, although in the second half saul lost their playmaker JP to injury at the same time and still went on to score 2.4 to 0.2

Cheers

take it you were at the match?  they seem to have picked it up from the start of the season, have you got a few players back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on May 24, 2007, 09:06:28 PM
well some would say i was not at the races in the first few games but seem to be coming back into it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on May 24, 2007, 09:38:11 PM
Div 3 is already shaping up to be the tightest in the ACL. Saul haven't been under illusions on where they will end up and while its great that we have had a bit of a run, there's still only 2 points between us and a bottom 4 place and more than half the season to go  As for players, there's a few back from injury although Greek was missing against Bredagh last time round.

Square Ball - you'll have to tell us your secret as I saw score updates from you timed at half-time and full-time on Monday night so was expecting to have seen a supporter or squad member holding a fancy piece of technology at St Pats park. Your side looked good on the ball and Jody was doing a great job in front of the backline until we figured out how to get round that tactic. Have Bredagh played that tactic often or is every drawing inspiration from Parc Esler last Sunday  ;D    Enda came on fairly late in the game - he carrying an injury atm?   

Off the laces - I have you say u are looking a bit sharper these days  ;)

On league fixtures, can anybody confirm that Friday week (June 1st) will be the original rearranged Series 8 games i.e. unstarred?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 24, 2007, 10:07:45 PM
sabhallphadraig

we use new fangled technology called mobile phones, have they not reached you neck of the woods yet?  ::) Got a lot of texts during the match and stuck them on as soon as i got them

Paddy H calls the shots on team tactics and yes thay have played that way once or twice, horses for courses and all that, as for Enda, was carrying a wee knock, but is OK now.

Its good to see a division so tight, everyone is beating everyone else, well sort of, we have a match tomorrow night against Newry B, then a rearranged one on Sunday at Dundrum
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on May 24, 2007, 11:08:48 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on May 24, 2007, 02:18:15 PM
Fior Gael, i had heard that rumour re Packie, Benny & others on the piss in Gormans myself...........but as it was Packie's own father who had told me was studying for exams, i had to take that as being the truth !

Any more craic about who the others were,Torgael who were out on the piss,I hear there was a bit of a ballacking given out at training on tuesday night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on May 24, 2007, 11:17:37 PM
Why do you want or need to know Tone, what difference does it make? What these fellas do in their own free time is THEIR choice and nobody elses, i am sure if the management see a problem with it they will deal with it accordingly. No milage in naming and shaming fellas for having a beer three weeks before a championship game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on May 24, 2007, 11:51:26 PM
Quote from: redandblackjack on May 24, 2007, 11:17:37 PM
Why do you want or need to know Tone, what difference does it make? What these fellas do in their own free time is THEIR choice and nobody elses, i am sure if the management see a problem with it they will deal with it accordingly. No milage in naming and shaming fellas for having a beer three weeks before a championship game.

100% right R&B it's their choice, however if they choose not to be serious county footballers they should fcuk off out of it and leave room for those with the right attitude. This sort of shite has been indulged for too long. Bollockings are all very well but if DJ and Ross have a serious long term stategy for down football they should sit these boys down for the Monaghan game at least. Mc Ivor approach needed here i'd say.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on May 25, 2007, 12:49:35 AM
I know what you are saying, but it is easier said than done. DJ and Ross are not blessed with a squad bulging with talent, therefore dropping players for taking a bit of booze three weeks before a game is out of the question. A breach closer to the time could place all involved in a very awkward position. Knowing the two fellas they will have put a stop to this after the other nite no doubt. At least the players have got it out of their systems (hopefully) for a while. Hopefully we will all have something to drink to in the comming months!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 25, 2007, 09:18:36 AM
A farce of a feis hurling 7's competition took place in dundrum council pitches last night. The matches were refixed for last night after two referees turned up kitted out on sunday night with no teams contacted! Last night Ballela, Kilclief and Liatroim turned up out of the senior teams with Ballela beating kilclief roughly 5.5 to 2.4, we now play liatriom in the final. In the junior section only hilltown and castlewellan turned up so both teams went home again and will play in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 25, 2007, 09:30:43 AM
I would say that there was plenty of sliothars lost in the Moneycarragh river last night Whitehair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 25, 2007, 09:42:49 AM
The farce over the Hurling feis 7s is mirrored in the football 7s every year--when I played I would have considered myself extremely enthusiastic but I used to dread the 7s every year---started late,team no shows,ref no shows,finished way behind time,mickey mouse organisation,all for maybe 10 minutes of actual playing time-absolute nightmare.I see the same problem with multi-team blitzs at underage level.For organisation purposes these compulsory multi-team 7s competitions should be binned and replaced by a mini-blitz among teams who have genuine committment.The under 10 blitzes in East Down seem to work better because there are  4 local teams with a set start/finish time.Teams enter voluntarily,and therefore only committed teams show up,and everybody gets plenty of game time.

PS-Hurling wise it's about time clubs/county board sort out organisation of hurling in Down-as it still appears to be a farce.As an ex-dual player,I retired from Hurling,as I could no longer justify committing myself to a sport where there was only a handful of properly organised games per year.Surely clubs/county board need to get there heads together on hurling structures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 25, 2007, 10:20:12 AM
7's can be a bit hit and miss. I remember about 4 or 5 years ago when Ballykinlar were holding one of their Ulster Junior 7's tournaments. There were usually 4 groups of four but one year two teams out of a group didnt turn up. This left Lissummon of Armagh and Lisnaskea II's of Fermamangh in the group. Unfortunately for Lisnaskea they turned up late, were beat, fofeited their place in the Shield and had to travel the three hour journey back home after just one game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 25, 2007, 11:41:17 AM
Thre were a few balls lost alrite(one thanks to a fine point of mine 8) )
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 25, 2007, 03:01:41 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on May 23, 2007, 01:50:02 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 23, 2007, 11:24:20 AM
Quote from: TORGAEL on May 22, 2007, 10:33:36 PM
Fior Gael,.......Packie Downey didnt play for Drumgath last night......studying for exams was the story being told.
Hope he hasnt forgot his roots already!
His club should come first no matter what!

Wise up Spirit!!

What do you expect the lad to do when he has an exam the morning after the game on a Monday night!!!

Playing Mitchels isn't gonna pass him his exams, and it surely won't get him a degree!!!


I rest my case!!!!
Hope Benny is still on it when we play the Bridge later

Missing one game doesn't make any less of a clubman!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on May 25, 2007, 05:28:52 PM
Quote from: redandblackjack on May 24, 2007, 11:17:37 PM
Why do you want or need to know Tone, what difference does it make? What these fellas do in their own free time is THEIR choice and nobody elses, i am sure if the management see a problem with it they will deal with it accordingly. No milage in naming and shaming fellas for having a beer three weeks before a championship game.

The reason why ,I want to see them have a championship game after! Suppose your right nothing gained from naming and shaming,I was just so pissed off when I heard that some did not turn up for their club game on Monday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on May 25, 2007, 09:16:30 PM
TULLYLISH 0-16 DRUMGATH 3-11

Better performance tonight from Drumgath, they went up 10 points early in the 2nd Half and then took the foot off the pedal, fair play to Tullylish they kept battling away and took the scores down to 3 in it, but the better team won on the night.

Also Glenn beat Tecconaught easily i hear.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 25, 2007, 09:17:57 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Dundrum 1-15  Bright 0-03
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 25, 2007, 09:21:30 PM
Think Shamrocks beat Clann na banna by a point in injury time...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 25, 2007, 09:31:40 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

St. Paul's 1-15  Ardglass 0-11

Good win for us tonight, could have won by more if we hadn't missed a lot of scores, aswell as giving away a few frees which let them stay in touch for most of the match. Ardglass should have been reduced to 14 men with about 10 minutes to go, referee shit himself and gave a yellow, Ali would have been proud of that left hook. I have never seen a team cry so much to the ref, every time we got the ball, they shouted for over carrying, anything they could think of really!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on May 25, 2007, 09:47:18 PM
Annaclone 0-14 Saval 0-14

Good match with two pretty even teams.  Annaclone were three up with a few minutes to go and Saval equalised in injury time from a free from 50 yards by Stephen Sands.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on May 25, 2007, 10:17:43 PM
Quote from: greygoose on May 25, 2007, 09:16:30 PM
TULLYLISH 0-16 DRUMGATH 3-11

Better performance tonight from Drumgath, they went up 10 points early in the 2nd Half and then took the foot off the pedal, fair play to Tullylish they kept battling away and took the scores down to 3 in it, but the better team won on the night.

Also Glenn beat Tecconaught easily i hear.


[/quote 


YOUR RIGHT greaygoose the better team won but Tullylish battled to the end Jack Lynch and Pakie Downey made a difference a good all round performance from Drumgath.Tullylish kicked some great scores towards the end Drumgath seamed to struggle to score in the last 15 mins but it was a good win for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 25, 2007, 10:36:23 PM
Friday 25th May

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Castlewellan 1:15 Atticall 0:13

Loughinisland 2:12 An Riocht 0:11

Bryansford 0:3 Mayobridge 1:13

Longstone 0:10 Rostrevor 0:12

Clonduff 0:13 Kilcoo 2:7

Burren 0:12 Liatroim 1:6

Div Two

Ballyholland 0:11 Ballymartin 1:9

Glasdrumman 2:7 Carryduff 4:8

Downpatrick 0:6 Kilclief 1:13

Clan Na Banna 0:9 Shamrocks 0:11

Warrenpoint 2:9 Darragh Cross 1:11

Annaclone 0:14 Saval 0:14

Div Three

Dundrum 1:15 Bright 0:3

St. Pauls 1:15 Ardglass 0:11

Teconnaught 1:6 Glenn 4:12

Tullylish 0:16 Drumgath 3:11

Mitchels 0:11 Saul 1:8

Bosco 2:11 Bredagh 1:5

Div Four

Aghaderg 2:17 Ballykinlar 0:7

St. Johns 1:10 Dromara 1:11

Aughlisnafin 0:1 St. Michaels 9:13


--------------------

Ballymartin were better value than their one point win tonight. We stormed back in the final ten minutes, but up to then the lilywhites were much the better team. Darren O'Hanlon and Peter Fitzpatrick were outstanding as wing-forwards, along with Darren Cunningham at midfield and John Fitzpatrick up front. Ronan Murtagh hit 8 for the Harps, who were poor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on May 25, 2007, 10:56:16 PM
Any truth in the rumour that the Clonduff/Kilcoo game was abandoned?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 25, 2007, 11:37:34 PM
Yes, Packie Downey played at centre half forward for Drumgath tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on May 25, 2007, 11:41:16 PM
how did you think he went
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 25, 2007, 11:49:00 PM
id just like to say ramie quinn from glenn loves munchin ****'s :D love ya ramie!! good og 2nite for glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on May 26, 2007, 09:11:06 AM
I was looking at div 3 and if you feed all the information wobbler kindly gave us tullylish top the table dispite being beaten on 14 pts,Teconnaght in second place with 12 and in third place is occupied by no less than five teams Saul,Bredagh,Dundrum,Drumgath and Gien all on eleven pts.The next round of games are going to be intresting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 26, 2007, 11:10:48 AM
Latest ACFL Tables

Division 1

Kilcoo   14
Clonduff   14
Rostrevor   12
Mayobridge   11
Longstone   10
Bryansford   10
Loughinisland   9
An Riocht   9
Castlewellan   8
Liatroim   7
Burren   6
Atticall   2


Division 2

Saval   17
Annaclone   14
Downpatrick   13
Ballymartin   12
Ballyholland   10
Kilclief   10
Banbridge   9
Shamrocks   8
Darragh Cross   7
Glasdrumman   6
Warrenpoint   6
Carryduff   4


Division 3

Tullylish   14
Teconnaught   12
Saul   11
Dundrum   11
Drumgath   11
Bredagh   11
Glenn   11
Bosco   9
Ardglass   9
Mitchels   7
St Pauls   6
Bright   4


Division 4

Drumaness   16
St Michaels   14
St Johns   10
Dromara   8
Aghaderg   8
Ballykinlar   2
Aughlisnafin   0





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downgael on May 26, 2007, 12:28:03 PM
Good work DownFanatic - for getting the tables updated - the county could do with following suit
Saval look as if they will run away now in Div 2 and I think Carryduff will now start to get a few wins under the belt and move up the table
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 26, 2007, 01:50:33 PM
Quote from: Cloc Mor on May 25, 2007, 10:56:16 PM
Any truth in the rumour that the Clonduff/Kilcoo game was abandoned?

I believe so, do idea why, but could well hazzard a guess
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDunYeGo on May 26, 2007, 02:08:18 PM
I'd say there might of been a bit of dancin between the 2 teams ;D

but to get called off there must of been some row
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 26, 2007, 02:21:00 PM
Square Ball, the Dundrum v Bredagh game for Sunday has been changed to 5.30pm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 26, 2007, 02:27:24 PM
By the way, does anyone know if next Fridays games are starred?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 26, 2007, 02:43:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 26, 2007, 02:21:00 PM
Square Ball, the Dundrum v Bredagh game for Sunday has been changed to 5.30pm.

cheers, when did this happen?

messes up my day that!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 26, 2007, 02:56:01 PM
Just yesterday I think. We cant play games early in the afternoon because of the Car Boot Sale. I think it could be a very entertaining match. Funnily enough I dont think we have played yous competitively since the JFC Semi Final in 2005. We had a go at yous last year in a Friendly but we got a serious tankin in that one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 26, 2007, 03:07:01 PM
we have a Reserve game against Kilcoo at 7:15 to get to as well. we got well beat yesterday by Bosco, best team won. no questions about that. can Paul McCominskie (Spelling more that likely incorrect) play in this one as the original game was starred? My understanding of this is that he cannot, whats your view?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 26, 2007, 03:10:14 PM
Aye, McComiskey cant play since it is a re-fixed starred game. We got our match with Bryansford Thirds moved to 7.30pm, so it will be a very busy evening of football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on May 26, 2007, 03:12:02 PM
newly registered to the board have followed it for quite some time now and decided to offer a contribution. wanted to geta debate going on what the feelings are on many players headin stateside for the summer. does any1 know exactly which players are leaving what clubs. just interested to see what kind of an impact this may have on the clubs in question.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 26, 2007, 03:23:25 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 26, 2007, 03:10:14 PM
Aye, McComiskey cant play since it is a re-fixed starred game. We got our match with Bryansford Thirds moved to 7.30pm, so it will be a very busy evening of football.

Pauls a great player, have seen him alot against our guys but I would prefer not to see him play tomorrow, but hes only one player. May be a great game, see you there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 26, 2007, 04:14:23 PM
I don't think the Kilcoo Clonduff game was abandoned it ended in a draw and the trouble started at the final whistle.

I heard that Martin Clarke will be back in Ireland at some stage this summer and will be allowed to play football due to something that was included in his contract.  Anyone hear anything about this.  He would be some addition.

The Bridge had a good win over the Ford last night.  Bryansford v Mayobridge

25/05/07
Half time score: 0-3 to 1-7
Full time score: 0-3 to 1-13

Scorers:
Benny Coulter 0-6
Ronan Sexton 0-4
Michael Walsh 0-2
Cathal Magee 0-1
Brendan Grant 1-0

The Ballyholland lads should check out this video on youtube!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuMBzsT2tfo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuMBzsT2tfo)   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on May 26, 2007, 05:37:50 PM
I ve watched Paul McComiskey play for Dundrum,and he looked a very good player but he's all on his own there.When he play,s for down ,and I also seen him playing for Queens his a very special talent,I dont think that if things are not going Down's way next time out he'll sit o the bench for as long as he did last game.He reminds me of James McCartan when he hit the down scene.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 26, 2007, 06:58:12 PM
Tone, do you take a vested interest in Division 3?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 26, 2007, 09:25:38 PM
DownFanatic

the match has been cancelled again!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 26, 2007, 09:36:19 PM
What are Dundrum playing at? This game should be awared.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 26, 2007, 09:49:26 PM
Do not know at whos request the game was cancelled, or the circumstances surrounding it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on May 26, 2007, 10:43:32 PM
QuoteThe Ballyholland lads should check out this video on youtube!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuMBzsT2tfo   

Very strange
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 26, 2007, 10:48:30 PM
Aye, I hear its cancelled again. Thats the third bloody time. This is gettin ridiculous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 27, 2007, 07:57:31 AM
Apparently the game was fixed by County Board for 2.15 but that didn't suit Dundrum due to a car boot sale at their pitch!  ??? I kid you not!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on May 27, 2007, 11:12:27 AM
I do downfanatic I know alot of the lads that play in the third,in a few teams and the way the leauges are going at the minute it makes it that bit more intresting,what about yourself where does your intrest lie.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on May 27, 2007, 11:19:35 AM
If anybody was at the Cavan game what did you think about the new stand and the pitch,I thought that a few of the lads had choosen the wrong footware and were slipping at times ,have to watch that one lads!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on May 27, 2007, 03:52:40 PM
Quote from: tone on May 27, 2007, 11:19:35 AM
If anybody was at the Cavan game what did you think about the new stand and the pitch,I thought that a few of the lads had choosen the wrong footware and were slipping at times ,have to watch that one lads!!

Well lads how do you think the old enemy will do today,their up against it but I think this one will go to the wire,Ill stick my neck out Donegal by one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 27, 2007, 04:13:44 PM
Lecale 2, about three years ago there was a motion passed at our AGM ruling that games cannot be played on a Sunday until 5 o'clock or after. This was due to health and safety concerns with those involved with the car boot sale. Our U-12's havent even played a game at our pitch in 3 years because they have to play their Sunday 12pm games away from home or at the council pitches.
Simple as that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Class of 99 on May 27, 2007, 06:21:01 PM
Just after watching the Armagh game and have to say they where a shade unlucky, not tjat I will be losing any sleep tonight over it.
Have jsut been flicking to the the Aussie rules on TG4, to see If Martin Clarke is getting a look in.
Does anyone have any information on how he is getting on, and is there any truth in the rumour he will be back for a while in the summer.
Seen James Colgan looking very somber at the Marshes last Sunday!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cluain Daimh on May 27, 2007, 07:14:53 PM
 
QuoteInsert Quote
I don't think the Kilcoo Clonduff game was abandoned it ended in a draw and the trouble started at the final whistle.

I heard that Martin Clarke will be back in Ireland at some stage this summer and will be allowed to play football due to something that was included in his contract.  Anyone hear anything about this.  He would be some addition.

The Bridge had a good win over the Ford last night.  Bryansford v Mayobridge

25/05/07
Half time score: 0-3 to 1-7
Full time score: 0-3 to 1-13

Scorers:
Benny Coulter 0-6
Ronan Sexton 0-4
Michael Walsh 0-2
Cathal Magee 0-1
Brendan Grant 1-0

The Ballyholland lads should check out this video on youtube!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuMBzsT2tfo   

Why do people from Mayobridge all look the same?  I know you are all a close commuity it seems strange that you all have big foreheads and promenant teeth as with protruding eyes.  The most ugly people in the world live in Mayobridge.  I know u people are close but making children with your relations doesnt help.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 27, 2007, 07:58:26 PM
Cluain Daimh, post your crap somewhere else. If you havent got anything constructive to say , then say nothing !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on May 27, 2007, 08:08:57 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on May 27, 2007, 07:58:26 PM
Cluain Daimh, post your crap somewhere else. If you havent got anything constructive to say , then say nothing !


HERE,HERE toregale if Cluain Daimh has'nt noticed this is a gaa discussion board ,football,hurling etc get the drift
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on May 27, 2007, 08:14:31 PM
Armagh were unlucky to day they were the better team the whole way through,it was a very rare mistake by Hearty.You haven,t seen the last of them.It was the old guns that shone for them today,when they leave their in the shit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cluain Daimh on May 27, 2007, 08:25:05 PM
QuoteQuote from: TORGAEL on Today at 07:58:26 PM
Cluain Daimh, post your crap somewhere else. If you havent got anything constructive to say , then say nothing !



HERE,HERE toregale if Cluain Daimh has'nt noticed this is a gaa discussion board ,football,hurling etc get the drift

You may b sticking up for your neighbouring parish because you know what I say is true.  You got a big forehead Torgael?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on May 27, 2007, 08:26:11 PM
Yes Tone, and as I pointed out on the Armagh thread, if we lose to Monaghan , we are in exactly the same position as Cavan (in the first round of the qualifiers)so all the hard work in two games will be for nothing.I don't want to play Armagh, Mayo or Kildare just yet. Let's focus !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on May 27, 2007, 09:38:06 PM
Quote from: Caitlin on May 27, 2007, 08:26:11 PM
Yes Tone, and as I pointed out on the Armagh thread, if we lose to Monaghan , we are in exactly the same position as Cavan (in the first round of the qualifiers)so all the hard work in two games will be for nothing.I don't want to play Armagh, Mayo or Kildare just yet. Let's focus !!

I ve heard that all that shit about some off the lads going to Laceys and on the drink the next day is all sorted out,better now than after the next game i think they were told that if it happens again that they are history.So it will be a dry run in if it lasts at allwith any luck at all we could be loking at an ulster final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on May 28, 2007, 10:24:28 AM
Club Fixtures this week.

Can anybody confirm the club football fixtures for this weekend ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 28, 2007, 12:04:38 PM
Greygoose, I orignally presumed that it would be the Series 8 set of fixtures that would be played this Friday. However, these are not starred games and by my reckoning this Friday's fixtures need to be starred as they are within 13 days of Down's next Championship game. Nothing has been confirmed as yet but I would presume that these Series 12 fixtures will take place:

PS - Im only presuming that these will take place


Series 12


Division 1

Rostrevor v Atticall
Clonduff v Bryansford
Longstone v Castlewellan
Kilcoo v Mayobridge
Burren v Loughinisland
Liatroim v An Riocht


Division 2

Shamrocks v Ballymartin
Warrenpoint v Downpatrick
Clann na Banna v Ballyholland
Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Annaclone v Glasdrumman
Saval v Carryduff


Division 3

Drumgath v Bright
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Tullylish v Dundrum
Saul v Glenn
Bosco v St Pauls
Bredagh v Ardglass


Division 4

St Johns v Aghaderg
Aughlisnafin v Ballykinlar
Drumaness v Dromara

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on May 28, 2007, 01:58:41 PM
Had a sneak peek at the Armagh Thread there, they are giving Big Joe and some of the players an awful slating, a bit short sighted in the slightest. Hopefully our own crew are not afforded a similar backlash if it goes bottoms up v Monaghan..Donegal's performance yesterday puts Down's league campaign into perspective.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 28, 2007, 02:44:23 PM
is Series 12 not due on 08/06/07?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 28, 2007, 03:16:30 PM
Square Ball, Series 8 that is due to take place this Friday is not a starred set of fixtures. Therefore, this means that county players can play in them. However, this is in conflict with the 13 day rule which prohibits county players from playing with their clubs 13 days before a county game. That is why im presuming that Series 12 will take place on Friday as it is the next set of starred fixtures thus keeping with the 13 day rule.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 28, 2007, 04:24:44 PM
Cheers

I will wait and see what happens here, usually have the complete set of senior fixtures by now, so there may be something in your call. If I get them I will post them here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on May 28, 2007, 07:02:46 PM
I don,t think  anybody really know's what the county board is going to do ,after pulling that starred game forward. ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 28, 2007, 07:36:44 PM
Here you go,

DOWN GAA FIXTURES



Tuesday 29th May 7:30pm

Democrat Media Hurling Leagues

Div One S8

Portaferry v Shamrocks

Kilclief v Ballela

Ballycran v Liatroim

Div Two

Bredagh v Portaferry

Clonduff v Warrenpoint

Castlewellan v Ballycran

Ballygalget v Ballyvarley



Thursday 31st June 7:30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div Two

Clann Na Banna v Ballyholland



Friday 1st June 7:15pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Rostrevor v Atticall

Clonduff v Bryansford

Longstone v Castlewellan

Kilcoo v Mayobridge

Loughinisland v Burren

Liatroim v An Riocht

Div Two

Shamrocks v Ballymartin

Warrenpoint v Downpatrick

Darragh Cross v Kilclief

Anaclone v Glasdrumman

Saval v Carryduff

Div Three S12

Teconnaught v Mitchels

Tullylish v Dundrum

Saul v Glenn

Bosco v St. Pauls

Bredagh v Ardglass

Div Four

Ballykinlar v Dromara

Aghaderg v St. Michaels

St. Johns v Drumaness



Monday 4th June 7:30pm

Div Three S12

Drumgath v Bright

ACPRFL S12

Div One

Warrenpoint v Rostrevor

Clonduff v Downpatrick

Bryansford v Mayobridge

An Riocht v Burren

Longstone v Kilcoo

Div Two

Saul v Carryduff

Annaclone v Saval

Castlewellan v Ballymartin

Loughinisland v Kilclief



Tuesday 5th June 7:30pm

Democrat Media Hurling Leagues

Div One S9

Ballygalget v Ballycran

Liatroim v Kilclief

Ballela v Portaferry

Div Two

Portaferry v Clonduff

Warrenpoint v Castlewellan

Ballycran v Ballygalget

Ballyvarley v Bredagh




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ITOB on May 28, 2007, 10:36:51 PM
Square Ball- ur not the only one with insider info.  Up-to-date EDRFL tables are like hen's teeth but I got this one (attached).  Well its nearly up to date. 
C ur lot are doing OK.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on May 28, 2007, 10:54:46 PM
Are you not involved with  Bredagh ITOB? What sort of shite are you at now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ITOB on May 29, 2007, 12:07:40 AM
Jeez Aristotle, ur one ill-mannered bollix.  Please control ur emotions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on May 29, 2007, 07:56:33 AM
Only 2 games going ahead this evening in the ACHL. All the rest are off due to the Ulster final on Sunday and Leinster Shield Final on Saturday.

Tuesday 29th May 7:30pm

Democrat Media Hurling Leagues


Div Two

Bredagh v Portaferry

Castlewellan v Ballycran
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 29, 2007, 08:59:54 AM
When was that announced? I was over at the pitch last night and at 7.30 our match V Kilclief was still on according to our secretary and registrar. Next weeks match against portaferry II's is due to get postponed due to Ballela Cemetery Mass. I was hoping that we could get a few more matches played at this time of the year as once holidays begin and with Championship around the corner the league peters out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 29, 2007, 09:19:21 AM
Anybody confirm that Benny Corrigan quit his post as Clonduff Manager on Sunday Morning as only 10 turned up for training?
Understandable considering they are going so well and he gets this reaction.

Was impressed with Mayobridge on Friday night and they are the benchmark again, Mickey Walsh looking very good throughout the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 29, 2007, 09:33:56 AM
It would be a strange one if Corrigan has gone.  They hadn't lost a game since they played us early in the season and where sitting nicely joint top of the league. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 29, 2007, 11:53:29 AM
Quote from: Bacon on May 29, 2007, 07:56:33 AM
Only 2 games going ahead this evening in the ACHL. All the rest are off due to the Ulster final on Sunday and Leinster Shield Final on Saturday.

Tuesday 29th May 7:30pm

Democrat Media Hurling Leagues


Div Two

Bredagh v Portaferry

Castlewellan v Ballycran


Whitehair - I got a call late last night confirming what Bacon posted. Alll off except Bredagh and Castlewellan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 29, 2007, 11:58:08 AM
A Chara
Notification to clubs that have made arrangements to suit golf days and other club fundraising events because of the drawn game with Cavan series 8 was pulled out and will not be played until the end of season, this means that this Friday night series 12 is being played and the rest of programme in the handbook will be following on from here. I hope this clarifies the position and enables clubs to alter arrangements accordingly. is mise Sean O Ruanaidh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 29, 2007, 01:32:39 PM
Quote from: ITOB on May 28, 2007, 10:36:51 PM
Square Ball- ur not the only one with insider info.  Up-to-date EDRFL tables are like hen's teeth but I got this one (attached).  Well its nearly up to date. 
C ur lot are doing OK.

cheers, doing Ok at the minute but theres a lot of football left in this league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on May 29, 2007, 01:50:54 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 29, 2007, 11:58:08 AM
Notification to clubs that have made arrangements to suit golf days and other club fundraising events because of the drawn game with Cavan series 8 was pulled out and will not be played until the end of season, this means that this Friday night series 12 is being played and the rest of programme in the handbook will be following on from here. I hope this clarifies the position and enables clubs to alter arrangements accordingly. is mise Sean O Ruanaidh

Cheers am - this means that all remaining series are pulled forward 1 week and the final week of the ACL will see the Series 8 games being played (August 31st in the case of Div 3 anyway).  I haven't checked yet but I'd say there's prob more fixture shuffles ahead when/if the county get to take on Derry/Antrim and the final on the road ahead but we'll go with this for now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 29, 2007, 05:12:38 PM
Warrenpoint drew with Ballymartin in Division 2 last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on May 29, 2007, 05:32:30 PM
Is there any truth in a rumour that the fixtures which are now to be played on Fri 8th June (originally series 13) will be played after the Down Monaghan game on Monday 11th June?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on May 29, 2007, 05:33:59 PM
Where does that leave Bredagh's night at the races on Friday 22nd June ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 29, 2007, 09:19:43 PM
Result

ACHL Div 2
Bredagh 2-13 0-04 Portaferry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 30, 2007, 08:12:02 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 29, 2007, 09:19:43 PM
Result

ACHL Div 2
Bredagh 2-13 0-04 Portaferry

It's time you boys went up a league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 30, 2007, 09:06:51 AM
A swap with ballela on the cards! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 30, 2007, 09:23:51 AM
QuoteWhat has a raceday got to do with fixtures?

  Nothing at all, but one club organises fixtures around a car boot sale.  ::)

  Maybe fundraising should take precedence over games?   >:(

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 30, 2007, 09:45:08 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on May 30, 2007, 09:06:51 AM
A swap with ballela on the cards! ;)

I'm sure there's room for both in Div1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 30, 2007, 10:23:16 AM
Monday 21st May
O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div Three
Tullylish (off) Bosco

Does anybody know if this game has been played yet? and if so, what was the score?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 30, 2007, 11:39:24 AM
Ive never been up at the car-boot sale, is it a club run initative to fundraise or just an act of goodwill to help the parish?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 30, 2007, 12:43:06 PM
St Pauls, Tullylish v Bosco hasnt been played yet. The Dundrum v Bredagh game is back on for Monday at 7.30pm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 30, 2007, 12:46:27 PM
Cheers DF,

just trying to keep my own league table/spreadsheet as up to date as possible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 30, 2007, 12:53:28 PM
Wobbller - No.1, it would probably be more appropriate if yous kept your recent comments to the Car Boot Sale Thread on the non-Gaa board in future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 30, 2007, 02:24:07 PM
GAA matches can't be played because of a car boot sale, I'd say that's a GAA issue.

Still, as long as the money is coming in.  It doesn't matter if 10 and 11 year olds don't know what it's like to play on their own pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 30, 2007, 02:29:54 PM
 My comments re the car boot sale weren't really about Car Boot sales per say but more a comment against Dundrum for allowing such an activity to stand in the way of our Gaa games on what over many years was the appointed day for Gaa matches--so it wouldn't be suitable for the Non GAA section which you only started today after N01 and my own comments were posted.
Quite sad the whole saga!
I believe this was passed at your AGM sometime. Who propsed it ???   Derek Trotter seconded by Rodney--the vote being carried with the help of Uncle Albert and Trigger.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 30, 2007, 03:39:15 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 30, 2007, 02:29:54 PM

I believe this was passed at your AGM sometime. Who propsed it ???   Derek Trotter seconded by Rodney--the vote being carried with the help of Uncle Albert and Trigger.
:D :D That's like an Irish League soccer club deciding not to play on Saturday because of a car-boot sale. Have they shifted all the Masses in Dundrum to Saturday? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 30, 2007, 04:33:33 PM
Quote from: No1 on May 30, 2007, 02:24:07 PM
GAA matches can't be played because of a car boot sale, I'd say that's a GAA issue.

Still, as long as the money is coming in.  It doesn't matter if 10 and 11 year olds don't know what it's like to play on their own pitch.

Sorry Down Fanatic,you're on your own, most would agree with No.1 on this one.

1.It should be discussed under the GAA section as it is relevant if it effects GAA fixtures.
2.Banning your under 12s from your own pitch for apparent financial reasons is inexcusable.
3.Does the money you make on the car-boot sale outweigh the safety concerns,effect on club fixtures,ill-will generated due to Sunday traffic delays,and valuable time input of your club members?
4.Any chance of getting me a few cheap Daniel O'Donnel CDs at this week's car-boot sale?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on May 30, 2007, 05:37:50 PM
Is this rule even valid? There's nothing in the Down bye laws about postponing games due to a car boot sale.

Surely the reason for building a pitch is to play games on it not run car boot sales. Way out of order if you ask me. The County Board should fix matches for a Sunday and award the points if the Car Booters refuse to play. That may help them focus on the priorities for GAA clubs.
Title: FAO Blue Island
Post by: No1 on May 31, 2007, 01:18:40 PM
Is your pitch closed at the moment?
Title: Re: FAO Blue Island
Post by: Blue Island on May 31, 2007, 02:03:57 PM
"Is your pitch closed at the moment?"

No pitch is open again. Could not play on it whilst the new clubhouse was being built due to lack of ball stoppers behind nets to stop balls whacking off the new roof. Ball stoppers now in place. I suppose the bonus is of the 12 games the seniors have left to play eight of them are home games and the reserves have no more away games at all this season.

We will see you on Monday then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 31, 2007, 02:16:51 PM
  Aye you'll see me but most of the rest of them are away on a stag this weekend so f**k knows how many will show up on Monday night!  The joys of seconds football, eh?!

 Plenty of home games on your run in alright, Longstone used to do that on a regular basis!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on May 31, 2007, 10:27:23 PM
Annaclone 4-19 Glasdrumman 0-3

This was a complete mismatch with it being one way traffic from start to finish as the scoreline suggests.

Also heard that Banbridge drew with Ballyholland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 01, 2007, 09:44:14 AM
ballyholland playing terrible football. lucky to get a draw in banbridge last night, against one of the poorest teams ever to play in div2, on the worst pitch ever in div2 history! 1-2, 1-2 at half time, game finished, 1-5, 1-5.

Harps have seen a number of experienced players retire, have another number injured, and have two county players missing. the team now is represented by a number of teenagers learning their trade and it is proving difficult. mid table season looks the best bet for a couple of years until these lads mature a little......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 01, 2007, 09:48:44 AM
I hear the county minor hurlers were treated abominably last weekend in Casement by the county board.

There weren't enough jerseys for the panel of 28 and Ronan Sheehan had to go to the O'Neills shop in Newry to buy another 4 out of his own pocket, then they hadn't enough tracksuits for the subs and the mentors had to give them theres. The ones that they did have were old gaelic gear ones, shambolic to say the least.

I bet those young hurlers were proud to play for their county last weekend!!

Why are we such an amateurish outfit?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 01, 2007, 10:25:07 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 01, 2007, 09:48:44 AM
I hear the county minor hurlers were treated abominably last weekend in Casement by the county board.

There weren't enough jerseys for the panel of 28 and Ronan Sheehan had to go to the O'Neills shop in Newry to buy another 4 out of his own pocket, then they hadn't enough tracksuits for the subs and the mentors had to give them theres. The ones that they did have were old gaelic gear ones, shambolic to say the least.

I bet those young hurlers were proud to play for their county last weekend!!

Why are we such an amateurish outfit?

Shades of Saipan there,me thinks!

The question is do you blame the minor management/mick mccarthy or the county board/FAI.

Whatever the reasons in the famous words of Roy Keane-"it should have been sorted out 2 weeeeks ago!"

I doubt if the above shambles would have happened with the minor footballers--but is that due to county board bias,or due to the organisational skills of the minor football management??

I agree that there are problems with Hurling being considered the poor relation,but it is lazy to just blame the county board.In my opinion all  with a vested interest in Hurling,need to get heads together.The "Ards" is one of the strongest Hurling areas in Ireland and Hurling is now stronger outside the Ards than it has been for many years.Our Hurling potential as a county is massive--but it's time to stop gurning and  instead actively address the shambolic organisation of Hurling in this county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downgael on June 01, 2007, 11:56:43 AM
Is the regulations for minor teams not that only 24 members of a panel are to be involved in match days - so the hurling minors should not have 28 players involved on match day?

I do agree that any extra players should be looked after and provided with gear etc

It is time that the Hurling Clubs push for the Hurling County Board to get its act together and represent the needs of Hurling – a start would be for hurling people to put themselves forward for positions on the hurling board – once hurling people get involved in the hurling committee the next step would be to get involved in the full County Board – then and only then will hurling get its just rewards
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on June 01, 2007, 01:03:30 PM
Goldenyears, Drumgath are suffering the exact same problems as yourselves, albeit in division 3. Player retirements, injuries & unavailability of county players leaves them hoping for a playoff spot, whereas in other circumstances they should be certainties for promotion............such is life !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 01, 2007, 01:22:09 PM
Quote from: downgael on June 01, 2007, 11:56:43 AM
Is the regulations for minor teams not that only 24 members of a panel are to be involved in match days - so the hurling minors should not have 28 players involved on match day?

I do agree that any extra players should be looked after and provided with gear etc

It is time that the Hurling Clubs push for the Hurling County Board to get its act together and represent the needs of Hurling – a start would be for hurling people to put themselves forward for positions on the hurling board – once hurling people get involved in the hurling committee the next step would be to get involved in the full County Board – then and only then will hurling get its just rewards

The hurling board allegedly has nothing to do with the running of the county teams, they are only responsible for juvenile hurling according to my source which I find a bit strange anyway. The hurling board is a waste of time as they don't do anything and have no real powers to effect how the game is organised. Some of you might recall it was the clubs that had to kickstart the hurling academies this year by taking the county board to task late last year. In saying that what was agreed by the clubs and county board about the academies and what resources were required, the county board have failed to deliver by not supplying water bottles and a place to train. The U-16's have trained on three seperate pitches in Downpatrick, one was a school pitch with no ball screens and changing rooms, luckily it didn't rain that day. The training bibs were allegedly still in the office in Castlewellan but the academies have been running for more than 4 sessions now and still no sign. A distinct smell of bullshite coming from Mr Bell yet again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 01, 2007, 03:55:31 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 01, 2007, 01:22:09 PM

In saying that what was agreed by the clubs and county board about the academies and what resources were required, the county board have failed to deliver by not supplying water bottles and a place to train. The U-16's have trained on three seperate pitches in Downpatrick, one was a school pitch with no ball screens and changing rooms, luckily it didn't rain that day. The training bibs were allegedly still in the office in Castlewellan but the academies have been running for more than 4 sessions now and still no sign. A distinct smell of bullshite coming from Mr Bell yet again.

This is unacceptable--surely the time is ripe to put an end to this nonsense.
Down are a top 2nd tier Hurling county ,despite all this organisational  shambles.Our potential if we got our act together is immense.Look at Ballygalget's achievement in getting within a whisker of an All-Ireland,with relatively smaller playing resources than the county team.
Obviously a number of issues need addressed,but an immediate necessity is that every county squad should have their own "logistics" officer to ensure suitable venue and equipment is available to each squad.It comes back to the old chestnut of there being a dedicated centre(s) of excellence for all county teams,which would solve alot of these logistics problems.
I hope ClubDown will now expend their considerable energies in to developing these training venues,now that Páirc Esler is completed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on June 01, 2007, 05:16:30 PM
Div 3 Predictions

Div Three S12

Teconnaught v Mitchels    ( Home Win )

Tullylish v Dundrum           ( Home Win )

Saul v Glenn                     ( Away Win )

Bosco v St. Pauls               ( Home Win )

Bredagh v Ardglass            ( Away Win )



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 01, 2007, 05:21:13 PM
Div Three S12

Teconnaught v Mitchels    ( Home Win )

Tullylish v Dundrum           ( Home Win )

Saul v Glenn                     ( Home Win )

Bosco v St. Pauls               ( Home Win )

Bredagh v Ardglass            ( Home Win )


five home wins, wonder what price in the bookies?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 01, 2007, 08:38:37 PM
Div 3 Result: Bredagh 0-09 0-08 Ardglass
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on June 01, 2007, 09:47:00 PM
Div 3 Result: Saul 0-12 Glenn 1-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 01, 2007, 10:07:27 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Tullylish 0-07  Dundrum 2-05
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 01, 2007, 10:08:07 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Bosco 2-10 St. Paul's 0-10

Couldn't be arsed giving a synopsis of the game, will do it later!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on June 01, 2007, 11:48:31 PM
goldenyears, if clann na banna are one of the worst teams ever to play in division 2 it doesnt say much for the big teams like ballyholland. clann na banna are only four points behind ballyholland as far as i know. so either your opinion on banbridge is widely inaccurate or ballyholland have fallen drastically.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 02, 2007, 11:26:59 AM
Kilcoo 1-13 Mayobridge 0-7

I think the scoreline speaks for itself.  Noel Sexton was back from a knee injury last night and was really taking the game to Kilcoo before he had to go off with a problem to the same knee.  We lost Gavin Barry to a neck injury which compounded a bad night for us.  Kilcoo had big performances from Anthony Devlin, Marty McLean and Conor Lavery (1-6).  Its now 6 years since we've got a win in Kilcoo.

Bryansford beat Clonduff by 6 points last night in Clonduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on June 02, 2007, 11:35:05 AM
Liatroim 0-12 An Ríocht 1-8

Big performance from P Middleton Eamonn Middleton and Collie McCrickard (0-6).

Good to get back to winning ways after 4/5 defeats.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 02, 2007, 12:01:31 PM
O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div 1
Rostrevor 2:9 Atticall 1:12
Clonduff 2:6 Bryansford 2:12
Longstone 0:12 Castlewellan 0:14
Kilcoo 1:13 Mayobridge 0:7
Loughinisland 0:9 Burren 1:11
Liatroim 0:12 An Riocht 1:8

Div Two
Clann Na Banna 1:6 Ballyholland 1:6
Shamrocks 1:7 Ballymartin 2:9
Warrenpoint 1:8 Downpatrick 1:12
Darragh Cross off Kilclief
Anaclone 4:16 Glasdrumman 0:3
Saval 1:15 Carryduff 0:8

Div Three
Teconnaught 1:13 Mitchels 1:5
Tullylish 0:7 Dundrum 2:5
Saul 0:12 Glenn 1:6
Bosco 2:10 St. Pauls 0:10
Bredagh 0:10 Ardglass 1:6

Div Four
Ballykinlar off Dromara
Aghaderg 1:17 St. Michaels 1:16
St. Johns off Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 02, 2007, 12:05:50 PM
Down GAA League Tables - 2007  updated 02/06/2007   
                       
     
A.C.F.L. Division 1     For For Against Against 
Club Played Won Draw Lost Points Diff Goals Points Goals Points 
Kilcoo 11 7 2 2 16 46 12 125 7 94 
Clonduff 11 6 2 3 14 3 17 107 16 107 
Rostrevor 11 6 1 4 13 6 5 122 11 98 
Bryansford 11 5 2 4 12 0 12 100 12 100 
Mayobridge 9 5 1 3 11 33 13 89 8 71 
Castlewellan 10 5 0 5 10 3 9 115 12 103 
Longstone 10 4 2 4 10 1 3 112 4 108 
Loughinisland 11 4 1 6 9 -6 11 88 5 112 
An Riocht 9 3 3 3 9 -6 7 86 6 95 
Liatroim 10 3 3 4 9 -9 4 94 2 109 
Burren 10 4 0 6 8 -5 7 87 6 95 
Attical 11 1 1 9 3 -44 3 97 14 108 
       
       
A.C.F.L. Division 2     
Club Played Won Draw Lost Points Diff Goals Points Goals Points 
Saval 11 8 3 0 19 70 12 131 5 82 
Annaclone 11 7 2 2 16 61 11 142 7 93 
Ballymartin 11 6 3 2 15 40 15 108 4 101 
Downpatrick 11 7 1 3 15 20 14 111 13 94 
Ballyholland 11 5 3 3 13 19 12 101 11 85 
Kilclief 10 4 2 4 10 16 7 109 7 93 
Clann na Banna 11 4 2 5 10 -19 8 98 14 99 
Shamrocks 11 3 2 6 8 -16 7 87 9 97 
Darragh Cross 10 3 1 6 7 -20 4 91 9 96 
Warrenpoint 11 3 1 7 7 -37 9 95 8 135 
Glasdrumman 11 2 2 7 6 -57 8 88 16 121 
Carryduff 11 2 0 9 4 -62 11 72 15 122 
     
     
A.C.F.L. Division 3     
Club Played Won Draw Lost Points Diff Goals Points Goals Points 
Tullylish 10 7 0 3 14 29 4 125 7 87 
Teconnaught 11 7 0 4 14 -2 17 79 10 102 
Saul 11 6 1 4 13 38 10 118 10 80 
Dundrum 10 6 1 3 13 31 16 105 8 98 
Bredagh 10 6 1 3 13 1 7 97 13 78 
Bosco 10 5 1 4 11 25 13 94 9 81 
Drumgath 10 5 1 4 11 19 18 116 15 106 
Glenn 11 5 1 5 11 18 17 87 10 90 
Ardglass 11 4 1 6 9 -19 7 100 12 104 
Mitchel's 11 3 1 7 7 -38 7 99 15 113 
St Pauls 11 3 0 8 6 -24 16 106 18 124 
Bright 10 2 0 8 4 -35 9 79 10 111 
     
A.C.F.L. Division 4     
Club Played Won Draw Lost Points   
Drumaness 8 8 0 0 16   
St. Michael's 10 7 0 3 14   
St. John's 9 5 0 4 10     
Aghaderg 8 5 0 3 10   
Dromara 8 4 0 4 8   
Ballykinlar 8 1 0 7 2   
Aughlisnafin 9 0 0 9 0   
Killyleagh 0 0 0 0 0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on June 02, 2007, 05:10:22 PM
div 3 is really close now with only 3 points separating 1st place from 8th place. really could go any way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 02, 2007, 06:45:43 PM
Its brilliant, who would your money be on to win the league?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on June 02, 2007, 11:05:28 PM
Its a tough call that one square ball. A major factor which could decide that is how far Down go in the championship as clubs such as Mitchels, Dundrum & mainly Drumgath are playing games without their county men. If these clubs had all their players available then you would have to fancy Drumgath........but this may not happen. The 3rd division is a real toss up at the moment..........people would be better advised to keep their money in their pockets....its too tight to call !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SuperHans on June 03, 2007, 01:32:03 AM
I know the only contribution i have to this thread is to ask qs about certain players, just curious ok

is James Patterson still playin for Ballyholland? he was a good auld player the last i seen of him

wat bout yur man fegan played for QUB about 3 years ago, used to hit all their frees, wat club is he with??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on June 03, 2007, 09:50:25 AM
Quote from: TORGAEL on June 02, 2007, 11:05:28 PM
Its a tough call that one square ball. A major factor which could decide that is how far Down go in the championship as clubs such as Mitchels, Dundrum & mainly Drumgath are playing games without their county men. If these clubs had all their players available then you would have to fancy Drumgath........but this may not happen. The 3rd division is a real toss up at the moment..........people would be better advised to keep their money in their pockets....its too tight to call !

Torgael,whats the craic with the management with Drumgath I hear the manager left,what happened!!!Is the club looking for a new manager,who's taking care of the club at the minute,you,s had a good result aginst Tullylish recently are you,s doing in house at the minute,I also heard that Clonduff manager walked this week too,the two clubs were going quite well at the time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on June 03, 2007, 09:58:39 AM
Has anyone heard anything about tickets for this Sunday,s game v Moneghan.There was quite a few went on sale at the ground the last game,I would say that the game will attract a bit more intest this time round some people thought that Down would be beaten by Cavan and never bothered coming out,if things go right for Down the could play in an Ulster final this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GRASSEYBANK on June 03, 2007, 01:54:51 PM
Superhans

Young fegan is still playing for Annaclone and his scoring average is excellent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on June 03, 2007, 02:28:29 PM
What's the latest score from Casement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 03, 2007, 02:45:52 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6716747.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6716747.stm)


Antrim in front at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on June 03, 2007, 06:23:46 PM
Tone, the Drumgath manager, Harry Toner, quit a few weeks back. As far as i know there were very poor turnouts at training & thats why he left. Vincie Burns [former player] is taking the team for now. Team has been playing fairly well, but they miss their county players badly when not available due to having a very small squad of players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on June 03, 2007, 11:20:46 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on June 03, 2007, 06:23:46 PM
Tone, the Drumgath manager, Harry Toner, quit a few weeks back. As far as i know there were very poor turnouts at training & thats why he left. Vincie Burns [former player] is taking the team for now. Team has been playing fairly well, but they miss their county players badly when not available due to having a very small squad of players.

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Torgael,thats a common problem throughout the county,hows it going for this new man,it will be hard to get a new man this time of the year and you are also in the senior championship this year,what kind of experience has this man of senior football.who did you get in the senior championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 04, 2007, 11:18:03 AM
Drumgath got the stone in the senior Championship

Div 1
Rostrevor 2:9 Atticall 1:12
Clonduff 2:6 Bryansford 2:12
Longstone 0:12 Castlewellan 0:14
Kilcoo 1:13 Mayobridge 0:7
Loughinisland 0:9 Burren 1:11
Liatroim 0:12 An Riocht 1:8

Anoter clutch of strange results this week.  I wouldn't have given Attical much hope of getting a point in Rostrevor and no hope at all to the Ford going to Clonduff.  Maybe the heavy defeat to the Bridge last week gave the Ford he kick they needed.  The stone is a hard place to go and get the point but Castlewellan have a bit more grit to them this season.  Gregory McCartan was in nets for them and saved 2 penalties.  I wouldn't have fancied Burren to get the points away in the Island but fair dues to them, I suppose Gordan is a massive loss for the blues.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 04, 2007, 11:31:18 AM
Did I hear correctly at the weekend that Anthony Cunningham of Crossmaglen fame now lines out for Burren?

Does he live in the parish?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 04, 2007, 11:50:42 AM
Yes Cunningham has transfered to Burren.  I'm not sure if he is playing for their seniors or seconds or what. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 04, 2007, 01:25:48 PM
It's fair to say I don't have much interest in hurling, but could one of our resident stick wielders please explain what happened yesterday?

I'm not looking for a scapegoat, a sob story or an in-depth analysis, but how is it possible that people who love the game, who have spent their whole life with sticks in hand, and who train constantly at the sport can put on such a dismal performance? If Ballygalget can prosper in the AI club scene, surely those fellas can do likewise for Down, no?


I don't know about recent weeks, but Cunningham was certainly starting at midfield for Burren at the start of the season. Him and Sean Ward would be a scary midfield partnership, if not in a footballing sense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 04, 2007, 01:50:25 PM
  There are many reasons for yesterdays fiasco.  

 One of the main reasons is that there were 7 or 8 fella's sitting in the pub/walking the dog/spending time with their family yesterday who are far superior players than what was on the field yesterday.  Johnneycool stated on another thread that there were 2 fellas playing yesterday that don't even stand out as reserve club hurlers and that is 100% correct.  You'd have to ask those other fella's why they don't want to play for their county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 04, 2007, 02:23:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 04, 2007, 01:25:48 PM
It's fair to say I don't have much interest in hurling, but could one of our resident stick wielders please explain what happened yesterday?

I'm not looking for a scapegoat, a sob story or an in-depth analysis, but how is it possible that people who love the game, who have spent their whole life with sticks in hand, and who train constantly at the sport can put on such a dismal performance? If Ballygalget can prosper in the AI club scene, surely those fellas can do likewise for Down, no?


There is no quick fixes to the Down hurling saga, but I believe the problem stems from the county boards complete lip service to hurling.
Take the Ballygalget example you ask about, the clubs are far more professionally organised and resourced than the county board in relation to training equipment. Ballygalget order 7 dozen hurling balls maybe 4 to 5 times a year with the vast majority being used at training, the hurling board secretary complained one year when the county squad used 60 balls in a complete season. Yesterday there were no 36" hurls for the team if they needed one, they were ordered months ago but never made it to the senior team, the general feeling is that the order was cancelled. No wonder players walk away from such a shambolic set up.

I was involved with the county team under Sean McGuinness, he took no shit from anyone, players, county board officials, the lot and the players were better treated and more loyal to whole setup as a whole. Its not just coincidence that was probably the last time that Down put out a team able to compete at a national level.

The cost of hurling is shockingly high especially to anyone who has never been involved in hurling at club level  i.e. Brian McEvoy, Mickey Keenan, Jimmy Keenan etc, etc.
The guys in charge really don't have an inkling and you reap what you sow I'm afraid.

Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 04, 2007, 02:36:32 PM
Johnny,
I have been watching the trials and tribulations of the county hurling team from afar and I also was shocked by yesterday's result. I can see exectly where you are coming from when you mention the efforts of the county board......but my question is this....

Why do no hurling men stand for election to the chair of the hurling board....surely if someone form the Ards or one of the mainland hurling clubs with the county team's welfare at heart took control things would change?

I know Brian McAvoy and while he is a very able administrator and is a Gael to backbone....he is a football man from a football club in South Down as is Mickey Keenan.....is there no one from Ballygalget, Portaferry, Ballycran, etc who could take the reins and change things around.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 04, 2007, 03:03:50 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 04, 2007, 02:36:32 PM
Johnny,
I have been watching the trials and tribulations of the county hurling team from afar and I also was shocked by yesterday's result. I can see exectly where you are coming from when you mention the efforts of the county board......but my question is this....

Why do no hurling men stand for election to the chair of the hurling board....surely if someone form the Ards or one of the mainland hurling clubs with the county team's welfare at heart took control things would change?

I know Brian McAvoy and while he is a very able administrator and is a Gael to backbone....he is a football man from a football club in South Down as is Mickey Keenan.....is there no one from Ballygalget, Portaferry, Ballycran, etc who could take the reins and change things around.

The hurling board has no real powers so why get involved, it's bollocks. Everything they decide to do or decisions they make have to go to the full county board and get lost. I've known a few lads who were on the board and felt they were wasting their time and stopped going. The one and only time the clubs got together was to get the juvenile academies up and running, in a way forcing their hand but even that is turning into shambles thanks to lack of support from the county board.

Kevin Bell is allegedly a hurling man but he's a useless bollocks in any mans terms, football or hurling and has made life difficult for the current senior management at every opportunity. He undermined Crossey and is doing the same to Gerard Coulter. As treacherous a man you will never meet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 04, 2007, 03:10:18 PM
You don't pull your punches Johnnycool! Very depressed after yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on June 04, 2007, 04:16:30 PM
Anybody be knid enough to post this weeks fixtures ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 04, 2007, 04:22:01 PM
Monday 4th June 7:30pm

Div Three

Drumgath v Bright

Tullylish v Bosco

Dundrun v Bredagh
ACPRFL

Div One

Warrenpoint v Rostrevor

Clonduff v Downpatrick

Bryansford v Mayobridge

An Riocht v Burren

Longstone v Kilcoo

Div Two

Saul v Carryduff

Annaclone v Saval

Castlewellan v Ballymartin

Loughinisland v Kilclief



Tuesday 5th June 7:30pm

Democrat Media Hurling Leagues

Div One S9

Ballygalget v Ballycran

Liatroim v Kilclief

Ballela v Portaferry

Div Two

Portaferry v Clonduff

Warrenpoint v Castlewellan

Ballycran v Ballygalget

Ballyvarley v Bredagh



Friday 8th June 7:15pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Bryansford v Rostrevor

Atticall v Clonduff

Mayobridge v Longstone

Castlewellan v Kilcoo

An Riocht v Burren

Loughinisland v Liatroim

Div Two

Ballymartin v Warrenpoint

Kilclief v Clann Na Banna

Ballyholland v Darragh Cross

Carryduff v Annaclone

Glasdrumman v Saval

Div Three

Teconnaught v Drumgath

Bright v Mitchels

Glenn v Tullylish

Dundrum v Saul

Ardglass v Bosco

St. Pauls v Bredagh

Div Four

Aughlisnafin v St. Johns

Drumaness v Aghaderg

St. Michaels v Ballykinlar



Monday 11th June 7:30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div Two

Shamrocks v Downpatrick

ACPRFL

Div One

Liatroim v Longstone

Kilcoo v An Riocht

Burren v Bryansford

Mayobridge v Clonduff

Downpatrick v Warrenpoint

Div Two

Tullylish v Annaclone

Saval v Loughinisland

Castlewellan v Carryduff

Ballymartin v Saul



Tuesday 12th June 7:30pm

Democrat Media Hurling Leagues

Div One

Shamrocks v Ballela

Portaferry v Liatroim

Kilclief v Ballygalget

Div Two

Castlewellan v Portaferry

Ballygalget v Warrenpoint

Bredagh v Ballycran

Clonduff v Ballyvarley




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MadMick007 on June 04, 2007, 04:25:53 PM
Let's see what the County Board do now after this shocking result. We all thought things could not get any worse after last year but they have. People talk about the Hurling Board, do you realise that the Hurling Board is only responsible for Juveniles and have no say what so ever around adult hurling where it be County Senior or Div2. All of the clubs in Down send one representative to the Hurling Board and one to the main county Board. The Football rep will go to the main county board where the guy who is interested in Hurling goes to the Hurling Board, this results in no Hurling at all being discussed seriously at the County Board as no one could give a dam about hurling and the guy who does is sitting on a committee that has no teeth and is a waste of time, i.e. the Hurling Board. For those Hurling people who are on the main County committee there is no hurling discussed until end of meeting and by that time they need to go and get the last ferry so no debate on hurling matters.
We all know Hurling will always come second in Down and I suppose why not, but does it have to trail so far behind. Issues such as what happened with the Minor Hurlers would never happen in football and rightly so but because you represent your county at hurling does that mean you are not allowed the appropriate gear. A quote recently from Hurling board secretary was that the "County Sponsors do not really support Hurling", basically be thankful for what you get. Is this the right message to send out? Can Canal Court or Morgan Fuels confirm this???
We have now got development squads up and running which is a start. However if there is not more effort or commitment shown by County Board they will fall to an arse. The squads rarely train in the same area twice and are sent to school pitches without appropriate facilities for hurling, ball screens etc. There was supposed to be individual training programmes for each squad in order to show a pathway for development through from U-14 to Minor, to date this has not been provided to coaches who are basically doing all the same drills. This will get boring year after year! If these squads fail now they will never be resurrected as all clubs have provided their top coaches and they will not give up their time again nor will players want to go.
Going forward there needs to be a Hurling Development Committee set up and the hurling board scrapped. This committee will report directly to County Board with their proposals. There also needs to be sufficient funding set aside to support any programmes. We need to show at least a 5 year plan on where Hurling in the county is going.
Don't get me wrong, yesterday's fiasco was also a lot to do with management and players. Firstly management should insist on the latest training techniques, equipment diet etc. This was not done. Are they capable? The attitude of the players also needs to be looked at and I believe this is born out of frustration due to the lack of professionalism shown at training sessions. Down also need everyone wanting to play for their county with at least 6 players missing yesterday due to injury or not wanting to play.
Maybe we should scrap county Hurling and concentrate on the club scene??!?!?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 04, 2007, 08:51:09 PM
Div 3 Result

Dundrum  2-13   Bredagh  3 - 8

Dundrum scored a goal in the last minute to win by 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on June 04, 2007, 09:30:30 PM
ACFL DIVISION 3

DRUMGATH 3-12   BRIGHT 0-16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 04, 2007, 09:43:50 PM
Anyword on how the Tullylish v Bosco game went?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 04, 2007, 10:08:51 PM
no game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 04, 2007, 10:20:28 PM
Latest Down ACFL Division 3 League Table

Dundrum   15
Tullylish   14
Teconnaught   14
Saul   13
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Drumgath   13
Bredagh   13
Bosco   11
Glenn   11
----------------------------------
Ardglass   9
Mitchels   7
St Pauls   6
Bright   4


Outstanding Fixture: Tullylish v Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 04, 2007, 10:40:34 PM
As an ex-hurler/footballer,I think the time has come for the Ards clubs to take the lead.They obviously are better organised than the county,but lack of county success obviously has a detrimental effect on their progress.
We have the best game in the world,yet it is becoming less attractive to our youth.To my shame,my own kids do not play hurling,as I don't beleive in travelling 8 miles to the nearest club  for poorly organised training,and 5-6 matches per year.I am prepared to travel 8 miles however to take them to well organised football training,and I know they will get over 20 matches a year,and have a real chance to develop as footballers.
The shock over Sunday's defeat would make you think this annihilation was an isolated incident.Down hurlers have taken some tankings over the last few years at minor ,u21 and senior level.We have no real Hurling nurseries at schools level.
The failings of the county board with regard to Hurling are obvious,but why do Hurling folk let this happen?
Surely there has to be leadership from "the Ards" on this issue,since "the Ards" has the expertise and have the most to lose if this situation isn't remedied.Ballycran/Portaferry and Ballygalget need to get their most knowledgeable,charismatic and forward thinking personalities to grab the bull by the horns now,before Antrim leave us to languish in mediocrity!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 06, 2007, 08:12:51 AM
Results from last night

ACHL Div 2
Ballycran 4 -15 2-11 Ballygalget
Ballyvarley 1-11 2-14 Bredagh
Warrenpoint 3-08 0-08 Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 06, 2007, 09:27:17 AM
ACHL Div1
Ballela 1.16 Portaferry 7.29

We only had 12 players so we had to put a fella who was injured in goals and ask portaferry to play 13 a side but they wouldnt agree. We then had to ring two 18 year olds from the area who dont play hurling, and havent in the past, to play 15-a-side. Their corner forward Nigel Milliigan? scored about 3.6 off one of the poor lads!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 06, 2007, 09:36:54 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on June 06, 2007, 09:27:17 AM
ACHL Div1
Ballela 1.16 Portaferry 7.29

We only had 12 players so we had to put a fella who was injured in goals and ask portaferry to play 13 a side but they wouldnt agree. We then had to ring two 18 year olds from the area who dont play hurling, and havent in the past, to play 15-a-side. Their corner forward Nigel Milliigan? scored about 3.6 off one of the poor lads!

You should be allowed to play 13 a side in league games where on team only has 13 players. This sort of thing does nobody any good. Portaferry are taking this league very seriously this year and are determined to win it. Fair play to the 2 lads who helped you out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 06, 2007, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 06, 2007, 09:36:54 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on June 06, 2007, 09:27:17 AM
ACHL Div1
Ballela 1.16 Portaferry 7.29

We only had 12 players so we had to put a fella who was injured in goals and ask portaferry to play 13 a side but they wouldnt agree. We then had to ring two 18 year olds from the area who dont play hurling, and havent in the past, to play 15-a-side. Their corner forward Nigel Milliigan? scored about 3.6 off one of the poor lads!

You should be allowed to play 13 a side in league games where on team only has 13 players. This sort of thing does nobody any good. Portaferry are taking this league very seriously this year and are determined to win it. Fair play to the 2 lads who helped you out.
I suppose Portaferry's logic was that they had 15+ players who wanted a game.I'd imagine they didn't want to deprive 2-3 of their own lads a game of Hurling because another side didn't attend with a full quota.
Part of the problem in Down club Hurling is that if clubs don't meet their responsibility to field 15,then it becomes a Mickey Mouse league.
I'm all for encouraging Hurling in smaller clubs ,but if we start dropping standards then everybody suffers.
I hope Ballela are already working to ensure they have 15 senior Hurlers for their next league game!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 06, 2007, 11:25:20 AM
Portaferry brought 16 with them and to be fair they rang in the evening to confirm that we could field, all our players were sent a message on monday night to let somebody know if they would be missing, about 4 of the lads all 17yr olds had turned there phones off and didnt contact anyone. Portaferry told the referee that we played 13 a side against ballygalget and nearly beat them so they wouldn't take any chances. Not that it makes much differance but we actually played 15 that match. Although the Portaferry lads all would have wanted a game in my view they would have had a far better exercise playing 13 a side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on June 08, 2007, 08:25:03 AM
ACFL DIV3

Teconnaught beat Drumgath by a point last night[ sorry but i dont know the actual scoreline yet ]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 08, 2007, 11:57:20 AM
Maybe it's only championship, but I thought you could start a game minus the full compliment but had to be up to 15 by the start of the second half or the other team were awarded the points or game.

Aside our poor form in the reserve league continued last night when we got beat at home by Ballycran by 5 points in the end, not a bad game but we're struggling for scores at this level and its hurting us.

Another spate of injuries yet again as a good few lads had played the previous night for the seniors in the Antrim league..


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on June 08, 2007, 12:28:04 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 08, 2007, 11:57:20 AM
Maybe it's only championship, but I thought you could start a game minus the full compliment but had to be up to 15 by the start of the second half or the other team were awarded the points or game.

Aside our poor form in the reserve league continued last night when we got beat at home by Ballycran by 5 points in the end, not a bad game but we're struggling for scores at this level and its hurting us.

Another spate of injuries yet again as a good few lads had played the previous night for the seniors in the Antrim league..

Youse have Antrim matches tomorrow as well There all coming thick and fast but thats what we need really. Youse brought a big squad to Ballycran on Tuesday for the junior match
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 08, 2007, 12:44:07 PM
Why is hurling such a poor relation in Down? Because four times as many clubs play football as hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on June 08, 2007, 09:04:55 PM
Division 3
Glenn 0-11 Tullylish 0-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 08, 2007, 09:16:11 PM
A.C.F.L. Friday 11th June  Loughinisland 2-12  Leitrim 11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 08, 2007, 09:21:30 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Dundrum 1-07   Saul 0-19

We were brought down to earth with an almighty thud in this one. That was the most complete performance Ive seen this year from a Division 3 team. Saul were immense and on top in every sector throughout. They played an excellent possession game and rarely give the ball away. They were well disciplined, sharp and motivated so fair play to them. If they can maintain this type of performance, they will go a long way.

Result from last night: Teconnaught 2-07  Drumgath 1-09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on June 08, 2007, 09:21:58 PM
Any other football results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on June 08, 2007, 09:33:15 PM
Carryduff 2-6 Annaclone 5-12

This game was over after 10 minutes, Annaclone scoring 3-1 to Carryduffs 0-1.  The half time score was 4-7 to 0-2 so the second half pretty much had the atmosphere of a friendly.  The last two games have really helped Annaclone's score difference but it has to be said it has been against two very poor teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on June 08, 2007, 09:57:27 PM
Out in front what did u make of the game in Glenn 2nite. probably a fair result I have 2 say. Just a mention for Leo Smyth i thought he had a great game 2nite and was consistent in punishing lifting off the ground without use of the toe. fair play 2 him he warned the captains before the game and sruck 2 his guns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 08, 2007, 09:58:45 PM
Div2
Kilclief 0.15 Clann na Banna 1.9

Tight match up until the last quarter until kilclief pulled away, ciaran sloane and ricky kerr kicking some good points, deserved winners. Bann could have stolen a point at the death but as a hand pass was a few inches too far from putting ruairi gillen through one on one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 08, 2007, 10:44:04 PM
DOWN GAA RESULTS

Friday 8th June 7:15pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Bryansford 1.5 Rostrevor 1.11

Atticall off Clonduff

Mayobridge 1.11 Longstone 1.9

Castlewellan 0.7 Kilcoo 1.5

An Riocht 0.13 Burren 0.13

Loughinisland 2.12 Liatroim 1.5

Div Two

Ballymartin 3.17 Warrenpoint 1.4

Kilclief 0.15 Clann Na Banna 1.9

Ballyholland 6.14 Darragh Cross 0.9

Carryduff 2.6 Annaclone 5.12

Glasdrumman 1.3 Saval 0.13

Div Three

Teconnaught 2.7 Drumgath 1.9

Bright 2.9 Mitchels 0.10

Glenn 0.11 Tullylish 0.11

Dundrum 1.7 Saul 0.19

Ardglass 3.11 Bosco 3.9

St. Pauls v Bredagh

Div Four

Aughlisnafin 0.1 St. Johns 1.26

Drumaness 0.16 Aghaderg 0.10

St. Michaels 1.18 Ballykinlar 1.0



Ballyholland's game was a bit like Annaclone's i.e. over after 10 minutes, as we scored 3 goals during that time. Darragh Cross were well understrength and managerless, but it was still a good show from our boys, especially in the second half. Shane Mulholland started for the first time this season and scored 5 or 6.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 08, 2007, 11:07:12 PM
Latest Down ACFL Division 3 Table

Teconnaught   16
Saul   15
Tullylish   15
Dundrum   15
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Bredagh   13
Glenn   12
Bosco   11
Drumgath   11
------------------------------------
Ardglass   11
Mitchels   7
St Pauls   6
Bright   6


Outstanding Fixtures

Tullylish v Bosco
St Pauls v Bredagh (Match Abandoned - yet to be officially confirmed)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on June 08, 2007, 11:15:40 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on June 08, 2007, 09:57:27 PM
Out in front what did u make of the game in Glenn 2nite. probably a fair result I have 2 say. Just a mention for Leo Smyth i thought he had a great game 2nite and was consistent in punishing lifting off the ground without use of the toe. fair play 2 him he warned the captains before the game and sruck 2 his guns.

It was a fair result ok but both teams were guilty of some glaring wides though. At least Glen played better than the last time I saw them against Ardglass a few weeks ago.
Who was the Glen number 18 - 'a big bussling forward!"
Leo was the same for both teams which isn't bad for a referee but he made some strange decisions against the two sides. If the first half had gone on any longer I thought he might have lost control - it looked like it might cut up a bit.

One thing that I did notice was the language (F**k in particular) coming from some players on both sides. It was aimed at Leo after certain decisions and it was aimed at their own teammates. There was even some from the sideline aimed at Leo. He didn't react to any of it though which if he'd done so from the start - like the lifting off the ground - it might have put an end to it.

BTW, who's the Glen manager?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 08, 2007, 11:17:18 PM
Match was abandoned Imagine. St Pauls midfielder sent off for dissent then told Gelston he wasnt welcome in Holywood, Gelson blew the match off. Ridiculous decision and another agenda being pusued here.

Watch this space.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pearses on June 08, 2007, 11:30:00 PM
What will happen about the Bredagh V St Pauls match? It was well into injury time when he blew it up, but im sure that doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 08, 2007, 11:47:09 PM
Div 3. Stop Press
St Pauls Result stands.

Pld   Pts   
12   16   Teconnaght
11   15   Tullylish
12   15   Bredagh
12   15   Dundrum
12   15   Saul
12   12   Glenn
11   11   Drumgath
11   11   Bosco
12   11   Ardglass
12   7   Mitchels
11   6   Bright
12   6   St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 09, 2007, 12:31:45 AM
Quote from: imagine on June 08, 2007, 11:57:47 PM
Just got word through the grapevine- a mate of mine rang me from the erigle .Bredagh contacted the county board and have been told the match result stands.What's this agenda you speak of passedit?

Yip I would like to know the agenda as well, wonder who contacted the county board, and who from the county board was contacted?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on June 09, 2007, 01:01:47 AM
Out in Front the bustling full forward you are referring to was Peter Farrelly. He came on as sub when the goalie Micky Doran got injured. Peter got married a couple of months ago and that was the first game he has played this season. Although carrying a bit of extra weight hes extremely useful and has a great pair of hands.

Glenn's manager is Paddy Kennedy who won an allstar playing for down at full back. Im a bit young to remember but i think it was in the early to mid eighties.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on June 09, 2007, 08:54:36 AM
Minus15 - The guy was wearing number 18 and was on during the first half - goalkeeper was injured during the second. I take if from your description he's the same person.
He played well alright - got a great burst of speed.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 09, 2007, 10:33:30 AM
Minus 15, Paddy Kennedy won both an Ulster Championship and his All Star in 1981. He also won an minor Alll Ireland in 1977 and an u21 all Ireland in 1979. I think he remains the only Down player to win an All Star but not a senior All Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on June 09, 2007, 11:27:21 AM
now when u say a great burst of speed i think that it may have been Davy bagnall in full forward. He also has a bit of weight he could do without.  we wore our second set of jersies due to the color clash and there was plenty missing so it was difficult for me to keep up with who was wearing what but Peter definitely came on when micky got injured at wing half forward and stephen Lennon went in goal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on June 09, 2007, 11:43:01 AM
Its not often a game is abandoned now a days. It must have been bad for the ref to abandon the match. I don't know how In the Onion can state that the result stands. The county Board have to discuss the refs report and they decide. The ref has 3 days to send in his report. Depending on what it says St Paul's could pay a heavy price. Threatening refs is frowned upon at County Board level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 09, 2007, 11:45:48 AM
Latest Down ACFL Division 3 Table

Teconnaught   16
Saul   15
Tullylish   15
Dundrum   15
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Bredagh   15
Drumgath   13
Glenn   12
Bosco   11
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Ardglass   11
Mitchels   7
St Pauls   6
Bright   6


Outstanding Fixture

Tullylish v Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 09, 2007, 12:26:17 PM
The Colonel is right about the process the but result is very likely to stand. St Paul's have nothing to worry about but the individual will probably get 3 months.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 09, 2007, 12:32:53 PM
Lecale/Square Ball/ITOB,

were any of you's at the match last night? i don't want to sound biased or smell of sour grapes but did you think the ref over-reacted a little bit. The ref unjustifiably (?) send our corner back of on a straight red for some thing that was nothing more than a clumsy challenge, and then when our captain spoke to him later on after giving a stupid free, promptly send him off. He then decided to abandon the game when Gyp said some thing else to him, and told him he wouldn't be threatened!!! from what i have read on the tyrone thread, this guys seems to have caught MHS (Mickey Hughes Syndrome) and gone of on a power trip!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 09, 2007, 12:46:43 PM
QuoteSt Paul's have nothing to worry about

I wish I had your confidence Lecale, like I said there is another agenda here which will become clear in the fullness of time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pearses on June 09, 2007, 12:52:10 PM
St Pauls , I thought the corner back got sent off for a second yellow.  Actually Im pretty sure the ref showed the yellow then the red.  I thought when he made that tackle that he could be off.  Your captain got booked for giving off to the ref (i didnt hear what he said) but after the ref gave the yellow the captain kept talking which was a wee bit silly, but I can see why you's were losing the rag.  It was an awful game of football but with a bit of luck either team could have won and it just wasn't going you way.  As for the ref abondaning, I didn't even know until I was in the car on the way home. I just though the game was over cause we were well into injury time (6 mins according to one of our supporters). There didnt really seem any need for it to be abandoned, do you know what was said to the ref to make him do that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on June 09, 2007, 01:13:31 PM
what is this hidden agenda?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on June 09, 2007, 01:22:01 PM
St Pauls, Pearses is spot on our corner back got 2 yellows both for highish tackles, our capt then got the same with at least one of his cards for dissent. The ref was getting stick from both lines for his decisions and seemed to be blowing in the wind a lot of the time re what to to. From were I was at least a couple of decisions seemed to go the was of popular support when he was near the Bredagh camp. I would nearly be of the opinion that the ref in the end was nearly looking for a reason/excuse to make a big gesture against the home team.

In saying that discipline or lack of has been a big problem for our senior team in the majority of matches this year and I'd say our reputation among refs is very low so they may be coming with preconceptions, unfortunately these are preconceptions that we are living up to/down to at present.

I would be more worried about what his report will say re the 2 egits of supporters who had a go verbally after he decided to walk off the park.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 09, 2007, 01:28:06 PM
UF,

i didn't see the yellow card before the red after the challenge, so wasn't too sure whether it was straight or not. a lot of the frees did look like he wasn't sure what he blew for then reacted to the crowd to give his decision.

our discipline can be explained when you see refereeing performances like this but we should learn that we are going to get nothing so we need to just keep our mouths shut! it worked for our 2 previous matches but it gets to a point when you can only take so many stupid decisions!!!!

with regards to our 'supporters' slabbering at the ref as he left the pitch, it is not on and i certainly don't condone it, but i can understand where they were coming from, very frustrating to watch and play in!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on June 09, 2007, 01:37:07 PM
yes but it's a vicious circle stpauls, the ref comes with the opinion that stpauls are going to be in his face, we react to a bad decision and he tells himself he was right. It's a pattern of behaviour that we have to break our we will be in serious trouble if the season goes on like this.

Having watched football games all my life it is never understandable for a supporter to confront a ref.

We also have to remember that there was about a dozen or 15 our our underage players at the ground last night, what sort of example is being set?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 09, 2007, 02:01:19 PM
that maybe so UF, but is a good referee not supposed to go to a game with a neutral perspective, no matter he may have heard from other refs. i would certainly hope so and that he would make completely unbiased decisions while on the field, and then judge us when the game is over and put what ever he wants in his report!!! if not, then he is not fit to be on the pitch and should not be a referee in my opinion!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on June 09, 2007, 02:49:15 PM
Paul Gelston is never going to be a county referee but I thought he was equally bad to both sides. Bredagh were cuter i.e.they kept quiet when a decision went against them. This fixture is becoming narky- last year Bredagh had Johnny Cleary sent off when St Pauls won. Division 3 is very tight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 09, 2007, 02:57:57 PM
Caitlin,

i don't disagree there, he was f**king awful for both sides, no doubt about that! I think the sending off definately turned the game, it was all square when it happened, and it gave Bredagh that extra bit of room and took advantage!! Fair play to them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 09, 2007, 04:13:07 PM
St Pauls, I was at the match and yes your player was sent off for 2 yellows, as for the second red I have no idea why, diddnt hear anything at all being said or anything that could be considered as physical. I was in the bar when i was told it was abandoned, and diddnt believe it at first, the match was a bit fractious but that was all.

the quality of the shooting from both teams was terrible to say the least, 2 points in one half is a sad indictment of this.

Still curious at to what the other agenda as according to passedit, can you enlighten us please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 09, 2007, 05:09:40 PM
Just back from a double header in sunny Ballygalget. A tale of two games rather than two halfs. St John's won the first game easy, Ballygalget won the seniors easy. Gareth Johnston was superb. The real story is Ballygalget struggling to field a reserve team. They only had 12 players when the game was due to start and 3 or 4 of them hadn't hurled in years. What's the story Johnnycool?

Senior Result
Ballygalget  4-17 0-7 St. Johns 

Reserve Result    
Ballygalget  0-8 3-13 St. Johns 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on June 09, 2007, 08:19:04 PM
Must agree with Bredaghgael - Gelston is'nt the best ref in Down, but he's givin up his Friday night to referee games, and there aren't too many of us queueing up for his job.
In East Down, clubs like St Paul's and Bredagh don't get too many favours from refs - they tend to come from the county areas and know players/coaches etc of the Castlewellan's/St John's/Drumanesses - in the past the townies have maybe got a raw deal because of it.
The North Down teams have to wise up to this and stop the back chat - Bredagh are getting cuter - St Paul's don't seem to have learned their lesson.
St Paul's man should quit the bad language on the site - it's symptomatic of the St Paul's "soccer mentality".
Bredagh Abu!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on June 09, 2007, 08:56:15 PM
The Bredagh lads really do lack imagination. Lecale 2, Lecale 3 and now Lecale 4? WTF. I was in Ballygalget today Lecale and I think the Galgets struggled to field due to work commitments and a stag party in Donegal. They were v poor all right and some of those lads hadn't hurled in a couple of years. BTW you had a good game yourself!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 09, 2007, 09:22:37 PM
BredaghGael and Lecale what ever number its up to now,

why don't the 2 of you come down of your high horses, cause you must be getting pretty sunburned being up there so close to the sun, and it seems to be getting to you!! we weren't the only ones shouting at the referee last night, and there were a fair few f*** words coming from your sideline aswell. (see what i did there, hope you less offended now)

the ref told our chairman after the match it was abandoned so i don't know were you are getting your facts from!!

as for the soccer mentality, wel we will leave that for another day, i am away for a BBQ, and drown my sorrows!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on June 09, 2007, 11:35:44 PM
Sorry about the unimaginative name - maybe its Lecale2 on 3 different computers! Could use the St Pauls example and call ourselves Bredagh.
Anyway St Pauls enjoy the BBQ, see ya at Newry 2moro.
Hope you stay up this year - calm down!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 11, 2007, 08:45:58 AM
Why can the Club Championship not be brought forward now that Down are out of Ulster?
The club players and supporters deserve something decent to look forward to and having to wait 9 weeks is really crap.
Every other county is playing away at their championship games - what makes Down so different? We all really deep down knew we would be out of Ulster early and these games should have been fixed to counter that. Instead we will be rushing games through and the evenings will be getting shorter, so they will be squeezed in to a tight schedule - not very clever.............
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 11, 2007, 09:57:45 AM
Friday 8th June 7:15pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League
Div One
Bryansford 1.5 Rostrevor 1.11
Atticall off Clonduff
Mayobridge 1.11 Longstone 1.9
Castlewellan 0.7 Kilcoo 1.5
An Riocht 0.13 Burren 0.13
Loughinisland 2.12 Liatroim 1.5

Div Two
Ballymartin 3.17 Warrenpoint 1.4
Kilclief 0.15 Clann Na Banna 1.9
Ballyholland 6.14 Darragh Cross 0.9
Carryduff 2.6 Annaclone 5.12
Glasdrumman 1.3 Saval 0.13

Div Three
Teconnaught 2.7 Drumgath 1.9
Bright 2.9 Mitchels 0.10
Glenn 0.11 Tullylish 0.11
Dundrum 1.7 Saul 0.19
Ardglass 3.11 Bosco 3.9
St. Pauls v Bredagh

Div Four
Aughlisnafin 0.1 St. Johns 1.26
Drumaness 0.16 Aghaderg 0.10
St. Michaels 1.18 Ballykinlar 1.0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on June 11, 2007, 10:52:19 AM
Anybody fancy posting this weeks club fixtures ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 11, 2007, 11:15:37 AM
DOWN GAA FIXTURES



Tuesday 12th June 7:30pm

Democrat Media Hurling Leagues

Div One

Shamrocks v Ballela

Portaferry v Liatroim

Kilclief v Ballygalget

Div Two

Castlewellan v Portaferry

Ballygalget v Warrenpoint

Bredagh v Ballycran

Clonduff v Ballyvarley



Thursday 14th June 7.30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div Two

Saval v Kilclief

Div Three

Teconnaught v Saul



Friday 15th June 7:15pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Longstone v Atticall

Kilcoo v Bryansford

Liatroim v Mayobridge

Burren v Castlewellan

Rostrevor v Loughinisland

Clonduff v An Riocht

Div Two

Clann Na Banna v Ballymartin

Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Annaclone v Ballyholland

Shamrocks v Glasdrumman

Warrenpoint v Carryduff

Div Three

Tullylish v Bright

Bredagh v Glenn

Bosco v Dundrum

Drumgath v St. Pauls

Mitchels v Ardglass

Div Four

Dromara v St. Michaels

Ballykinlar v Drumaness

Aghaderg v Aughlisnafin



Sunday 17th June

PRFC 1pm

Rostrevor v Longstone

Annaclone v Kilcoo

Loughinisland v Carryduff

PRFL 1pm

Downpatrick v An Riocht

Mayobridge v Warrenpoint

RFC 7pm

Bredagh v Drumaness

Burren 3 v Bright

An Riocht 3 v Rostrevor 3

Castlewellan 3 v Darragh Cross

Carryduff 3 v Drumgath

Mitchels v St. Johns

Mayobridge 3 v Bryansford 3

Teconnaught v Kilcoo 3

Dundrum v Liatroim 3

Shamrocks v Ballyholland

Clann Na Banna v St. Pauls



Monday 18th June 7:30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Castlewellan v Longstone

Mayobridge v An Riocht

Div Three

Tullylish v Bosco

PRFC

Clonduff v Liatroim



Tuesday 19th June 7:30pm

Democrat Media Hurling Leagues

Div One

Ballycran v Kilclief

Ballygalget v Portaferry

Liatroim v Shamrocks

Div Two

Portaferry v Ballygalget

Warrenpoint v Bredagh

Ballycran v Clonduff

Ballyvarley v Castlewellan


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 11, 2007, 11:02:02 PM
We have a Reserve Championship game on Sunday. Here's the question. If a player is listed in the club's Top 13 but didnt play in last year's Intermediate Championship for the Senior team can he play in this years Reserve Championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on June 12, 2007, 12:56:52 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 11, 2007, 11:02:02 PM
If a player is listed in the club's Top 13 but didnt play in last year's Intermediate Championship for the Senior team can he play in this years Reserve Championship?

DF, I'd be virtually certain that Top13 applies to the leagues only and the ruling on championship games is that a player can't take part in a championship level lower than that in which he participated in the previous season. In a given season a player can play in a higher c'ship grade after taking part in a lower one during that same season. He would then be ruled out of any remaining games for the lower grade for that season and the following. The same rules apply to a player transferring between clubs.

So in summary the answer is that the player can play in the PRFC this season (as long as he didn't transfer in from elsewhere having player senior, intermediate, junior) - now does that help or just make me a sad b**   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 12, 2007, 01:25:18 PM
Agree with statto-gael,that would be my  interpretation of the rules,but it brings up a another question about rules surrounding reserves.
Do our rules re reserves,restrict clubs from getting the best out of this level.
Personally ,I feel  reserves should be primarily about developing fringe players,or for players coming back from injury-and I feel the current top 13 rule does not optimise the potential usefulness of a reserve squad.Top 13 unnecessarily restricts the reserve team manager.
My opinion is that the reserves should be similar to soccer reserves,where any player can play for the reserves.Say for example a player is struggling for confidence in the senior team on a friday night ,and the senior team manager decides he could do with a run in the reserves,or indeed a senior player returning from injury,trying to get up to speed-They should be able to play for the reserves.
My point is,that reserves should not be overvalued as a competition in it's own right-the reserves should primarily be a stepping stone for those with the ambition to play senior--with the numbers made up by your recreational footballers.
There would also be scope in some clubs to field a totally recreational 3rds team-to keep players who can not commit to training involved.
I think that much like our senior club leagues,reserves and other levels need to be looked at to see how we can get the most out of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 12, 2007, 01:27:09 PM
The only stipulation that prevents a player competing in the PRFC is if they played in any of the Down SFC, IFC or JFC during either the previous season or this season. They could have played for Down last season, or have played in the Armagh SFC, but neither would rule the player out.

There is a further stipulation for the RFC, in that if a club has 3 teams, then players can't have played in any of the Down SFC, IFC, JFC or PRFC during either the previous season or this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 12, 2007, 02:56:03 PM
Thanks for the replies. Ive got the jist of it now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 12, 2007, 04:46:23 PM
Are all the game going ahead tonight after the heavy rain?
Cherryvale should be fine for the visit of Ballycran and the Shamrocks/Ballela game was already off. Any word of the rest?

Tuesday 12th June 7:30pm

Democrat Media Hurling Leagues

Div One

Shamrocks v Ballela

Portaferry v Liatroim

Kilclief v Ballygalget

Div Two

Castlewellan v Portaferry

Ballygalget v Warrenpoint

Bredagh v Ballycran

Clonduff v Ballyvarley


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 12, 2007, 05:53:58 PM
did dpk beat shamrocks in newry last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 12, 2007, 09:27:33 PM
ACHL Div 2
Bredagh 6-11 4-06 Ballycran
Castlewellan w/o v Portaferry - D/F
Clonduff 1-07 3-14 Ballyvarley
Ballygalget beat warrenpoint
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 12, 2007, 10:02:25 PM
Goldenyears, Downpatrick beat Shamrocks 0-13 to 0-08 and from what I hear they were all over them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 12, 2007, 10:59:42 PM
Thats a very good win for Ballyvarley, they had Sean Kennedy sent off  ::), the lad must have been sent off 10 times in the last 3-4 years!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 12, 2007, 11:01:14 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on June 12, 2007, 10:59:42 PM
the lad must have been sent off 10 times in the last 3-4 years!
I know!  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 12, 2007, 11:15:34 PM
has he ever been sent off by anyone on this board?

Bacon, where you in Cherryvale tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 13, 2007, 12:09:19 AM
Having now woken up on both Monday and Tuesday morning and found that it had not been a bad dream and we really were out of the Ulster Championship, I think we have to start a debate about our next starting 15. Fair play to Monaghan, who were probably just about the better side on the day and will give Derry plenty to think about, but even one win in the qualifers would give us something concrete to build on for next year. If Ambrose, Doyle and Rafferty became available ( any word on Eoin McCartan ?) they should all go straight in.  Here's my team if we had to play tomorrow.

1.McVeigh - can't be blamed for either goal but could not vary his kick-outs as he did against Cavan. A tight call with Connell.
2.McCartan - has his critics, but never misses a tackle and was missed against Monaghan.
3.Scullion - a strong physical presence, as long as he does not give away frees, and allows Rooney to move out.
4. Cole - still our most reliable defender.
5. Rooney - his natural position.
6. Grant - while he can go a sound job, he is really covering for Doyle's return.
7. Murtagh - two good games in defence, one ordinary, worth another go.
8. Murphy - not a fielder but an outstanding link man.
9. Gordan - playing great football, and will do even better if he finds a ref who will favour the player who takes catches
10.  Sexton - doing an excellent job dropping back.
11. Carr - Brendan Behan had the right idea about the begrudgers, and he just needs a couple of scores from play.
12.  Kearney - will have to drop as deep as Sexton, but has the pace and the ability.
13. Hughes - by no means an automatic choice after the Cavan draw and Monaghan defeat, and must find space in the half forwards,
14. Coulter - while he worked very hard against Monaghan, he must deliver scores or switch out the field.
15. McComiskey - his time has come.

In the happy event of a full squad, it would be Rafferty for McCartan, Doyle for Grant, and Ambrose to midfield with Murphy replacing Hughes. Any thoughts ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 13, 2007, 08:50:49 AM
I am not convinced on Rooney as a player never mind a leader!
Down need to forget about the small men men and find 20 players 5'10" plus who can be coached to work as one unit.
James Colgan needs to return to defence irrespective of his quarrel with Ross / DJ (if any).
Also the panel has alot of 'chaff' on it and it needs overhauled asap, has anybody seen a County selector at a club game this season - I certainly havent. They need to get out there to see what player is doing it at the minute at club level and take it from there - plenty of club games this weekend to start with. Friday / Saturday (kilcoo v bryansford changed to 5.30) and Monday.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 13, 2007, 09:23:54 AM
If you will, please enlighten us as to who the chaff on the panel is/are. Not entirely disagreeing with your points but just interested to know what better replacements in the county we have. If losing a few games and learning the harder way is in the long term goin to improve or develop some of the younger defenders in Down then im willing to wait and see. Just dont think we are blessed with outstanding defenders in county but our failings largely are more due to system of play than personnel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stranworst on June 13, 2007, 10:54:00 AM
What is chaff??????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 13, 2007, 10:57:13 AM
Chaff is a weakness to the cause and McGuigan, Turley, Sweeney, Toner and McGourty are testament to this.

Has anybody seen a County selector at a club game this season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 13, 2007, 11:03:28 AM
to be honest i have seen a few selectors at games, the manager himself on at least 2 occasions, maybe its just me.
so would you replace these guys with anyone else in the county or do we just lose the "chaff" as you put it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on June 13, 2007, 11:22:53 AM
Spirit, name all these all stars you seem to think that are out there.....
Do you realistically think you can turn 20 big men into county footballers? You would be back to square one with our full back line especially!
The county isn't blessed with an abundance of good footballers who also have a physical presence.
To be fair to Declan Rooney, he had a better ulster championship than, Grant and Clarke- who are two of our more experienced 'stars', and are some peoples automatic starters because of past glories!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on June 13, 2007, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 12, 2007, 11:15:34 PM

Bacon, where you in Cherryvale tonight?
Do you know me Square Ball?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 13, 2007, 12:53:00 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2007, 01:27:09 PM
The only stipulation that prevents a player competing in the PRFC is if they played in any of the Down SFC, IFC or JFC during either the previous season or this season. They could have played for Down last season, or have played in the Armagh SFC, but neither would rule the player out.

There is a further stipulation for the RFC, in that if a club has 3 teams, then players can't have played in any of the Down SFC, IFC, JFC or PRFC during either the previous season or this season.

Wobbler could you point me to the official rule/communication on this. That has always been my understanding but in the County Competition section of the down rules it states the following:
Quote6. Where Clubs run a second or "B" team under the same affiliation in Divisional competitions, they shall supply an extra list to the Divisional Registrar, indicating on the list at least thirteen players, approved by the Committee in charge of the competitions, who shall not be eligible to play for the "B" team in any year. This list must not be changed after the 30th June of that year. If any Club has two or more players of the same name, they must submit the full names and full addresses should any of these players be included on any 'Excluded List'.

This is fairly ambiguous but as it appears in the county competitions section i'd prefer to be 100%. Paranoia is an awful thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 13, 2007, 01:28:49 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 13, 2007, 11:03:28 AM
to be honest i have seen a few selectors at games, the manager himself on at least 2 occasions, maybe its just me.
so would you replace these guys with anyone else in the county or do we just lose the "chaff" as you put it.

Brick, going on Bryansford games this season - anytime Stevie Toner was released by Down to play he was abysmal. Luke Howard on his current form would be a better corner back than Stevie or Kevin McGuigan, he also won a sigerson with Queens and didnt let James down over that weekend!
This is what I see on a weekly basis and I am sure there are other clubs with similar situations. It is also worth noting that Conor Gribben was approached to return to the panel prior to Cavan but declined as he was so harshly treated when the 34 was picked.
Dont get me wrong it is not any players fault but I am expressing points as I see fit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 13, 2007, 07:20:42 PM
Quote from: Bacon on June 13, 2007, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 12, 2007, 11:15:34 PM

Bacon, where you in Cherryvale tonight?
Do you know me Square Ball?

No not really, I was in Cherryvale last night chewing the fat while watching a hurling match, I think you are associated with the away team, and someone shouted "Bacon, get in the middle" well thats the edited version and in you (big assumptiion) trotted, a few other shouts of bacon over the remaining half, so, ido 1+1=You?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDunYeGo on June 13, 2007, 07:56:40 PM
Spirit , not all players need to be 5'10 or above,ye wouldnt want some 6'4 fella markin a nippy corner forward look at your boy Gavin Barry from the bridge. hes a super player , could have used him at corner back on sunday!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 13, 2007, 09:38:44 PM
Can't do anything more for you passedit. I got the current Runai to spell it out that way for me last year, as I was pondering playing Paul Murphy in the RFC (as it turned out, he wasn't fit).

Any word of which club players on the sumer exodus Stateside? For the first time in a number of years, it looks like we're getting off scot free.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 14, 2007, 09:14:58 AM
Quote from: AnDunYeGo on June 13, 2007, 07:56:40 PM
Spirit , not all players need to be 5'10 or above,ye wouldnt want some 6'4 fella markin a nippy corner forward look at your boy Gavin Barry from the bridge. hes a super player , could have used him at corner back on sunday!!

Yeah, I remember him giving a sterling display in Omagh in 2005!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 14, 2007, 09:29:08 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 13, 2007, 07:20:42 PM
Quote from: Bacon on June 13, 2007, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 12, 2007, 11:15:34 PM

Bacon, where you in Cherryvale tonight?
Do you know me Square Ball?

No not really, I was in Cherryvale last night chewing the fat while watching a hurling match, I think you are associated with the away team, and someone shouted "Bacon, get in the middle" well thats the edited version and in you (big assumptiion) trotted, a few other shouts of bacon over the remaining half, so, ido 1+1=You?
I was in Ballygalget last week and someone shouted "Square Ball!". Does that mean you were in Ballygalget?  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on June 14, 2007, 11:55:14 AM
 :D :D :D
Very good Lecale!

Square Ball - I wasn't in Cherryvale on Tuesday but there's a young lad plays for Ballycran who's known as Bacon. I think he's still a minor so not exactly within my age range!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 14, 2007, 04:27:07 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 14, 2007, 09:29:08 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 13, 2007, 07:20:42 PM
Quote from: Bacon on June 13, 2007, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 12, 2007, 11:15:34 PM

Bacon, where you in Cherryvale tonight?
Do you know me Square Ball?

No not really, I was in Cherryvale last night chewing the fat while watching a hurling match, I think you are associated with the away team, and someone shouted "Bacon, get in the middle" well thats the edited version and in you (big assumptiion) trotted, a few other shouts of bacon over the remaining half, so, ido 1+1=You?
I was in Ballygalget last week and someone shouted "Square Ball!". Does that mean you were in Ballygalget?  ;)

:D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on June 14, 2007, 08:29:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 13, 2007, 09:38:44 PM
Can't do anything more for you passedit. I got the current Runai to spell it out that way for me last year, as I was pondering playing Paul Murphy in the RFC (as it turned out, he wasn't fit).

Any word of which club players on the sumer exodus Stateside? For the first time in a number of years, it looks like we're getting off scot free.

I dont tink so wobbler, as I hear Paul McComisky is going to America
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on June 14, 2007, 08:42:24 PM
How could you fault any young lad, especially students, going to the States for the Summer.  Most have been playing non stop for some time now and need a break.  This is a wonderful chance before they go into full time work.  Hell, how can you blame any member of the Down subs bench from going stateside after Sunday, student or not?  They may be a loss to their clubs but these lads have a life.  Their only young once - let them go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 14, 2007, 09:59:14 PM
The Down ACFL Division 3 match between Saul and Teconnaught was abandoned tonight in Annacloy. From what I hear the referee (Mark Lynch) walked off the pitch five minutes from the end after receiving a torrent of abuse.

Btw, I totally agree with Cloc Mor. Every talented young player in our game should be allowed the chance to go Stateside. Its a great sporting experience and most importantly its an excellent personal learning curve.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 14, 2007, 10:26:15 PM
what was the score when it was abandoned? will the score stand? whats the normal procedures with this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turkey+ham on June 14, 2007, 11:23:02 PM
Mark Lynch walked five minutes from the end after receiving a torrent of abuse from the teconnaught sideline. He had just dismissed a teconnaught player with a second yellow for a deliberate kick. He made some very poor decisions for both teams during the match, often because he was too far away from the action and it was getting dark very quickly. Saul were four points up at the time and seemed as if they were just threatening to pull away.
It will be interesting to hear what he puts in his report.
Another instance of very poor refereeing in this division. After the St Paul's/Bredagh debacle, surely it is time for the county board to look into the problem of incompetent officials in Down. It is turning a lot of players away from the game and i think it also contributes to the current problems with our county defenders. They can get away with poor marking, tackles, etc in the club games, but are then found wanting at inter county level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 14, 2007, 11:41:32 PM
ACHL Div1
Newry Shamrocks 1.13 Ballela 2.9

Poor conditions first half, Newry led 1.6 to 0.2 at half time. Its not sour grapes here but we honestly query the referees score keeping, a substitute came on with ten minutes to go, who i was marking and he said we(Ballela) were a point up, other players were of the same view. This led Shamrocks to change players about in an effort to gain level, last ten minutes both teams scored 3 points a piece. Maybe its was just ourselves and Shamrocks had poor score keeping! :-\ We had Jonny Mc Cusker, our best forward in nets until the last 10 through injury, for Shamrocks Eoin Mc Guinness went off after 10min with a wee nick to the forehead. Reason for optimism in the camp though, even if we only gathered 15 players late in the day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 15, 2007, 07:15:28 AM
Keep her lit whitehair. You have a few good young fellas coming through.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 15, 2007, 08:45:26 AM
Saval beat Kilclief by a point last night.  Kilclief also drew with Darragh Cross on Monday past.

S*ul involved in an abandoned match?  Desperate, they should be thrown out of the league, pitch closed, changing rooms bulldozed and fined a hundred grand.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 15, 2007, 11:33:28 AM
Are there many games off tonight?  Is it still pissing down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 15, 2007, 11:35:22 AM
Laitroim v Mayobridge is changed to Mayobridge v Laitroim duno what the problem is with Laitroims pitch.  If this rain keeps up our pitch might not take the game either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on June 15, 2007, 12:14:15 PM
Bredagh's game is off, the council have closed the pitches over the w/e
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 15, 2007, 02:54:09 PM
Is it still raining up there lads? 

Div One
Longstone v Atticall  verdic Stone
Kilcoo v Bryansford verdic Kilcoo
Liatroim v Mayobridge verdic Bridge
Castlewellan v Burren verdic Casltewellan
Rostrevor v Loughinisland verdic Rostrevor
Clonduff v An Riocht verdic Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 15, 2007, 05:23:01 PM
Just light showers between the heavy rain. any other games off about the county besades Bredagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on June 15, 2007, 09:05:57 PM
ACFL DIV3

DRUMGATH 2-12      ST.PAULS 0-7

A closer game than the scoreline reads.Only a couple of points in it with ten mins to go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on June 15, 2007, 09:26:22 PM
Annaclone 2-11 Ballyholland 0-9

Another great performance from the Clone, especially in the defence which kept Murtagh and Murphy pretty quiet for the whole game.  I just hope we can keep our recent form going into the business end of the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GRASSEYBANK on June 15, 2007, 09:38:53 PM
Quote from: cloneman on June 15, 2007, 09:26:22 PM
Annaclone 2-11 Ballyholland 0-9

Another great performance from the Clone, especially in the defence which kept Murtagh and Murphy pretty quiet for the whole game.  I just hope we can keep our recent form going into the business end of the season.

Have to agree Annaclone played some good football in touch conditions and deserved their win tonight.  Defence was excellent and marshalled Ballyholland attack really well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 15, 2007, 10:05:00 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Bosco 4-09  Dundrum 0-12

Two defeats in a row now after losing to Saul and now Bosco. Its a bad patch that we are going to have to work through.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 15, 2007, 10:22:26 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on June 15, 2007, 09:05:57 PM
ACFL DIV3

DRUMGATH 2-12      ST.PAULS 0-7

A closer game than the scoreline reads.Only a couple of points in it with ten mins to go.

TORGAEL,

was definately a closer game than the score reflects, we were missing 5-6 of our first fifteen, and few of the guys introduced wereplaying their first full game of the season, i would say if we had 3 of the missing players there may have been a different result.

your pitch was in good nick even after the last few days of rain.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 15, 2007, 11:27:28 PM
Tullylish hammered Bright. two from three to go down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tone on June 16, 2007, 12:30:22 AM
Quote from: stpauls on June 15, 2007, 10:22:26 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on June 15, 2007, 09:05:57 PM
ACFL DIV3

DRUMGATH 2-12      ST.PAULS 0-7

A closer game than the scoreline reads.Only a couple of points in it with ten mins to go.

TORGAEL,

was definately a closer game than the score reflects, we were missing 5-6 of our first fifteen, and few of the guys introduced wereplaying their first full game of the season, i would say if we had 3 of the missing players there may have been a different result.

your pitch was in good nick even after the last few days of rain.
Did Pakie and Jack  Lynch turn up for Drumgath tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on June 16, 2007, 08:20:13 AM
Friday 15th June

Div One
Longstone 0.12 Atticall 0.8
Kilcoo SAT Bryansford
Liatroim 0.10 Mayobridge 2.9
Burren MON Castlewellan
Loughinisland MON Rostrevor
Clonduff 0.9 An Riocht 0.10

Div Two
Clann Na Banna TUES Ballymartin
Darragh Cross MON Downpatrick
Annaclone 2.11 Ballyholland 0.9
Warrenpoint 0.14 Carryduff 0.6
Shamrocks 3.13 Glasdrumman 1.7

Div Three
Tullylish 4.22 Bright 0.4
Bredagh OFF Glenn
Bosco 4.9 Dundrum 0.12
Drumgath 2.12 St. Pauls 0.7
Mitchels 0.12 Ardglass 2.11

Div Four
Dromara OFF St. Michaels
Ballykinlar 1.5 Drumaness 3.10
Aghaderg 1.13 Aughlisnafin 0.2

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 16, 2007, 08:21:34 AM
Friday 15th June

O'Neills International Sportswear League
Div One
Longstone 0.12 Atticall 0.8
Kilcoo SAT Bryansford
Liatroim 0.10 Mayobridge 2.9
Burren MON Castlewellan
Loughinisland MON Rostrevor
Clonduff 0.9 An Riocht 0.10

Div Two
Clann Na Banna TUES Ballymartin
Darragh Cross MON Downpatrick
Annaclone 2.11 Ballyholland 0.9
Warrenpoint 0.14 Carryduff 0.6
Shamrocks 3.13 Glasdrumman 1.7

Div Three
Tullylish 4.22 Bright 0.4
Bredagh OFF Glenn
Bosco 4.9 Dundrum 0.12
Drumgath 2.12 St. Pauls 0.7
Mitchels 0.12 Ardglass 2.11

Div Four
Dromara OFF St. Michaels
Ballykinlar 1.5 Drumaness 3.10
Aghaderg 1.13 Aughlisnafin 0.2

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on June 16, 2007, 08:34:02 AM
Thanks Lecale - my results not good enough?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on June 16, 2007, 08:45:30 AM

S*ul involved in an abandoned match?  Desperate, they should be thrown out of the league, pitch closed, changing rooms bulldozed and fined a hundred grand.
[/quote]
Another great quote by one off the underachievers from done the road. As usual opening his mouth before knowing the facts,which are the refferee stated no saul member will be mentioned in the report and if county board read his report no replay and points too saul even though it was 7-3 to saul, tec. had not scored in 25 mins and the three tey got where by sloppy frees given away.had saul not kicked so many wides and missed easy frees it could have been 17-3 with those 9 minutes still to play.
So no1 you arrogant little p**** get your facts right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 16, 2007, 10:11:08 AM
Div 3
after Round 14

Pld   Pts   
12   17   Tullylish
12   16   Teconnaght
12   15   Bredagh
12   15   Saul
13   15   Dundrum
12   13   Drumgath
12   13   Bosco
13   13   Ardglass
12   12   Glenn
13   7    Mitchels
12   6    Bright
13   6    St Pauls
Title: Bredagh Raceday
Post by: bredaghgael on June 16, 2007, 10:14:53 AM
 Lecale2? Did I hear word you've been saving all your hard earned cash to have a go at the Bookies at the Bredagh Raceday next Friday along with another 700 people.Good luck!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 16, 2007, 10:18:29 AM
Quote from: tone on June 16, 2007, 12:30:22 AM
Did Pakie and Jack  Lynch turn up for Drumgath tonight

unfortunately, they had the beating of us in midfield, which is where we were missing 2 of our players. if they had been playing we may have been able to compete a bit more!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 16, 2007, 11:22:15 AM
Latest Official ACFL Division 3 Table

Tullylish   17
Teconnaught   16
Dundrum   15
Drumgath   15
Saul   15
Bredagh   15
Ardglass   13
Bosco   13
Glenn   12
Mitchels   7
St Pauls   6
Bright   6



Outstanding Fixtures:

Tullylish v Bosco
Bredagh v Glenn
Teconnaught v Saul


Next Round of Fixtures:

Dundrum v Drumgath
Glenn v Mitchels
St Pauls v Tullylish
Ardglass v Saul
Bright v Bosco
Teconnaught v Bredagh



Title: Easy!
Post by: No1 on June 16, 2007, 01:39:33 PM
Good man off the laces.

What took you so long?

:D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on June 16, 2007, 04:38:33 PM
1st Division results went to form last night apart from An Riocht beating Clonduff.  A few interesting results in the 2nd with Shamrocks putting up a big score, Warrenpoint winning another game and Annaclone beating Ballyholland fairly comfortably, who had been going well.  What happened here Wobbler?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 16, 2007, 08:45:18 PM
In a nutshell, we were played off the park Cloc Mor. They were really up for it and thoroughly dominated things up the middle. It was very a Division I standard performance from them and we couldn't compete. The two McArdles were outstanding, McAleenan was very good, as were Paul Byrne and Martin Farrell.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GRASSEYBANK on June 16, 2007, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 16, 2007, 08:45:18 PM
In a nutshell, we were played off the park Cloc Mor. They were really up for it and thoroughly dominated things up the middle. It was very a Division I standard performance from them and we couldn't compete. The two McArdles were outstanding, McAleenan was very good, as were Paul Byrne and Martin Farrell.

Gary McArdle at full back went to hospital after the game and discovered that he had broken his led in the first half but did'nt realise and played on.  Will be in plaster for 6 weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on June 16, 2007, 10:09:30 PM
how do your break your leg and not realise? :D

Gary McArdle must be one hard b*astard.

Wobbler

The Down leagues must be very strong if a team backboned by Paul Murphy,Ronan Murtagh and Shane Mullholland are outside the top tier.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on June 16, 2007, 10:35:23 PM
Just after checking with a few mates in Annaclone who confirmed that Gary mc Ardle has a broken leg.  They said it happened early in the first half yet he played on for the rest of the game.  Between him and Benny Mc ardle Ballyholland had no answer as well as Martin Mc Aleenan.  They said the whole Annaclone defence was oustanding and one of the boys was delighted with a shoulder tackle by County minor Niall Higgins on Rony Murtagh which put him on his arse.  I couldn't repeat what he said about the defending in the Marshes compared with young Higgins for Annaclone but he is one to watch. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 16, 2007, 10:58:24 PM
Down Fanatic.  Thanks for the next round of fixtures.  Here are my predictions after these are played, wet pitches allowing of course.

Div 3 - Next Round of Fixtures:

Dundrum v Drumgath  Drumgath t/w.  With the county stars back Drumgath will shade it.
Glenn v Mitchels         Glenn t/w.   Mitchels are v. poor
St Pauls v Tullylish       Pauls t/w. Good game in prospect. Pauls have a good result waiting to happen, and with home advantage this could be it.
Ardglass v Saul           Saul by a bagful
Bright v Bosco           Bosco, best team I've seem so far this season.
T'connaught v Breda. Who knows, side issues involved here?  Teconnaght still stinging from last year's championship, Bredagh needing to avenge their only home defeat this year.  The one I want to be at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 17, 2007, 01:48:50 AM
div three is close, far too close to call for the top 3 or 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 18, 2007, 10:05:46 AM
annaclone were excellent; wanted it more than ballyholland, and introduced a hard but fair element that i hadnt seen in a couple of years....maybe their younger lads have just come on a year or two. definitely superb around the middle, and teak tough at the back.

harps were rubbish, and inconsistency is a big problem. i think just lacking players, and i envisage a year or three mid table or even skirting bottom 4 in div2.....

superb tackle on murtagh, timed it lovely, but then he did have 3 others hanging off him on a solo run!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 18, 2007, 11:50:43 AM
DOWN GAA FIXTURES



Monday 18th June 7:30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Castlewellan v Burren

Loughinisland v Rostrevor

Div Two

Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Div Three

Tullylish v Bosco

PRFC

Clonduff v Liatroim



Tuesday 19th June 7:30pm

Democrat Media Hurling Leagues

Div One

Ballycran v Kilclief

Ballygalget v Portaferry

Liatroim v Shamrocks

Div Two

Portaferry v Ballygalget

Warrenpoint v Bredagh

Ballycran v Clonduff

Ballyvarley v Castlewellan

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Atticall v Clonduff

Div Two

Clann Na Banna v Ballymartin



Thursday 21st June 7.30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div Two

Ballymartin v Annaclone



Friday 22nd June 7.15pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Castlewellan v Rostrevor

Loughinisland v Longstone

An Riocht v Kilcoo

Atticall v Burren

Bryansford v Liatroim

Div Two

Shamrocks v Ballyholland

Kilclief v Warrenpoint

Glasdrumman v Clann Na Banna

Carryduff v Darragh Cross

Downpatrick v Saval

Div Three

Dundrum v Drumgath

Glenn v Mitchels

St. Pauls v Tullylish

Ardglass v Saul

Bright v Bosco

Teconnaught v Bredagh

Div Four

St. Johns v Aghaderg

Aughlisnafin v Ballykinlar

Drumaness v Dromara



Saturday 23rd June 6pm

RFC Replay (extra time)

Rostrevor 3 v An Riocht 3



Sunday 24th June 2pm

ACPRFL

Div One

Rostrevor v Downpatrick

Warrenpoint v Mayobridge

Clonduff v Kilcoo

Bryansford v Kilcoo

An Riocht v Liatroim (off, cemetery)

Div Two

Carryduff v Tullylish

Loughinisland v Castlewellan

Ballymartin v Saval

Kilclief v Saul



Monday 25th June 7.30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Burren v An Riocht

Mayobridge v Clonduff

Castlewellan v Longstone

Div Three

Bredagh v Glenn

Div Four

Dromara v St. Michaels



Tuesday 26th June 7.30pm

Democrat Media Hurling Leagues

Div One

Ballela v Liatroim

Shamrocks v Ballygalget

Portaferry v Ballycran

Div Two

Warrenpoint v Portaferry

Ballyvarley v Ballycran

Clonduff v Bredagh

Ballygalget v Castlewellan



Friday 29th June 7.15pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Longstone v An Riocht

Kilcoo v Atticall

Burren v Bryansford

Liatroim v Castlewellan

Rostrevor v Mayobridge

Clonduff v Loughinisland

Div Two

Clann Na Banna v Carryduff

Darragh Cross v Ballymartin

Annaclone v Downpatrick

Saval v Ballyholland

Shamrocks v Kilclief

Warrenpoint v Glasdrumman

Div Three

Tullylish v Ardglass

Saul v Bright

Bosco v Teconnaught

Bredagh v Dundrum

Drumgath v Glenn

Mitchels v St. Pauls

Div Four

Drumaness v St. Michaels

Aughlisnafin v Dromara

St. Johns v Ballykinlar



Sunday 1st July 2pm

ACPRFL

Div One

Longstone v An Riocht

Liatroim v Bryansford

Kilcoo v Clonduff

Burren v Warrenpoint

Mayobridge v Rostrevor

Div Two

Saval v Carryduff

Saul v Tullylish

Annaclone v Ballymartin

Castlewellan v Kilclief



Tuesday 3rd July 7.30pm

Democrat Media Hurling Leagues

Div One

Kilclief v Portaferry

Ballycran v Shamrocks

Ballygalget v Ballela

Div Two

Ballycran v Warrenpoint

Portaferry v Ballyvarley

Castlewellan v Clonduff

Bredagh v Balygalget



Thursday 5th July 7.30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

An Riocht v Rostrevor

Castlewellan v Clonduff

Bryansford v Longstone

Loughinisland v Kilcoo

Mayobridge v Burren

Atticall v Liatroim

Div Two

Carryduff v Shamrocks

Ballyholland v Warrenpoint

Downpatrick v Clann Na Banna

Glasdrumman v Darragh Cross

Kilclief v Annaclone

Ballymartin v Saval

Div Three

Ardglass v Drumgath

Dundrum v Mitchels

Teconnaught v Tullylish

St. Pauls v Saul

Glenn v Bosco

Bright v Bredagh

Div Four

Ballykinlar v Aghaderg

Dromara v St. Johns

St. Michaels v Aughlisnafin


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GRASSEYBANK on June 18, 2007, 08:47:42 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on June 16, 2007, 10:09:30 PM
how do your break your leg and not realise? :D

Gary McArdle must be one hard b*astard.

Wobbler

The Down leagues must be very strong if a team backboned by Paul Murphy,Ronan Murtagh and Shane Mullholland are outside the top tier.


'I was'nt joking when I said he played on for the rest of the game'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 19, 2007, 08:53:26 AM
Tullylish drew with Bosco last night. Bosco came back from 5 or 6 down in the last fifteen mins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 19, 2007, 05:06:08 PM
Latest Official ACFL Division 3 Table

Tullylish   18
Teconnaught   16
Dundrum   15
Drumgath   15
Saul   15
Bredagh   15
Bosco   14
Ardglass   13
Glenn   12
Mitchels   7
St Pauls   6
Bright   6



Outstanding Fixtures:

Bredagh v Glenn
Teconnaught v Saul


Next Round of Fixtures:

Dundrum v Drumgath
Glenn v Mitchels
St Pauls v Tullylish
Ardglass v Saul
Bright v Bosco
Teconnaught v Bredagh


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on June 19, 2007, 06:36:34 PM
For me, this post is more relevant and true reflection of the sad situation we as a county are in:

QuoteDown Slide
Was at the Tyrone Donegal game, big difference between Tyrone & Down is that former have a real desire & will to win. That then translates into hard graft on the practice field & top class fitness levels. Some of the Tyrone tackling was awesome, not in its brute force but in its timing & execution. They have clearly spent a lot of practice time on this often overlooked skill. Not only could some Down players not tackle against Monaghan, some could'nt even catch the ball at the first attempt.
The will to win goes right through to grass roots in Tyrone from what I hear of their club, underage & school set ups. That is what is sadly lacking in Down & we are now paying the price for it. Too many primary schools with no playing facilities and no teachers who can coach. Not enough link up between local clubs & schools. Senior players not involved in coaching underage teams, parents not encouraging their youngsters to play or taking the time to go & watch them play, etc, etc. The differences between Down & the successful counties are now deep rooted, cultural & structural. It will take a mammoth effort to make up the ground (if indeed we can make it up). The rot set in after 95/96 when a toothless county board let things drift for five years & didn't make the necessary changes at management level on the senior team.
Unfortunately it is now a catch 22 situation. Without success at senior level, kids wont be galvanised to play the game & emulate their heros; without kids taking up the game in big numbers there won't be any county success. The sad fact is that for most Down youngsters, their sporting heros now play in the overblown & overhyped spectacle known as the "Premiership" rather than in finals at Clones or Croker.
I know this is a fairly depressing analysis but, without a reality check,how can we start to address the situation.

Fair play big lad - I think you have hit the nail on the head.  We are light years behind the likes of Tyrone and we all know why.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on June 19, 2007, 06:42:36 PM
I read that myself earlier 5times. Pretty much spot on.
'reality is that over the last few years virtually everyone who has been potentially capable of County football has been tried with limited overall benefit'.
This indeed is a fact of the matter.

'At times it appears that it is more important that one clubs under 12 team is not beaten by the neighbouring parish team than that players skills are developed for the future'

I know of one club from south down (who are a senior club) in particular who do not discourage their juvenile players from hitting their opponents off the ball- as young as u-14! The same club had a mentor on the line threaten an opposing player of 13 years of age that if he touched the ball again he would break his legs (or something to that effect).
Until we sort this sort of tripe out we as a county will go nowhere.

To be fair however as recognised by another poster on HS, there has been success underage by down teams in recent years, it is how these fellas develop- the county should start focusing on the development of players from u 21 and up aswell as grassroots, it seems after u-21 alot of our hopefuls fade away. Should the leagues be revised? 1a, 1b, 2a, 2b etc? Increase competition? Certain teams are getting thumped each week in some of our leagues and other teams are simply yoyo teams who are not good enough for the higher division and too good for the lower divisions. The motivation for these teams lessens as the years go by.

Armagh had a great foundation with Crossmaglen to work on, was Mayobridges defeat last year a true reflection of the 'bridge' and Down club football? Hopefully not.

Hopefully a good run in the qualifiers and national league next year will help install a belief among our young team and hopefully progress from their.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on June 19, 2007, 08:24:37 PM
If the powers that be decided to reduce the number of players (senior games only) to 13 a side i believe it would help the game greatly. Having played 13 a side in the states the football was faster with less pulling and dragging compared to club football here.

5ivetimes- Don't put up with that oul pulling and dragging craic, hit er a shoulder the next time!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 19, 2007, 10:00:53 PM
ACFL Div2
Clann na Banna 2.4 Ballymartin 1.11

In the ACHL Div2 Ballyvarley were beaten by Ballycran by 6, I was at neither.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 19, 2007, 10:19:49 PM
ACHL Div 1
Ballygalget 2-07 2-08  Portaferry
Shamrock v Liatroim
Kilclief v Ballycran OFF

ACHL Div 2
Portaferry 3-09 1-06 Ballygalget
Warrenpoint 0-08 3-09 Bredagh
Ballycran 6-15 0-04 Clonduff
Castlewellan v Ballyvarley
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 20, 2007, 12:05:49 AM
I think everyone who attends club football in Down knows that the standard needs to improve significantly.The Ulster Club championship at senior level is a pretty stark story, as it is almost two decades since it was won by a Down side. Mayobridge were unfortunate against Cross at Casement in 2004, but have clearly gone back since then, mainly due to the lack of opposition in Down, and their scoreline against Ballinderry last winter (0-15 to 0-1) tells us all we need to know. Since the Ulster intermediate and junior club championship was introduced, our teams have fared equally poorly.

Something has to be done with our leagues for a start, and the proposal for a switch to three divisions was at least a step in the right direction. It was probably not surprising that it was rejected by the clubs, who are always likely to look after their own interests, so the county board should consider handing powers to some form of task force. A two-year experiment could harm no one and might end up helping us all.

Those who dismiss our underage set-up might like to recall that we have won two of the last eight all Ireland minor titles, which compares favourably to almost anyone else, lost an u21 final narrowly in 2005 and won a Hogan Cup (Abbey CBS with half a team of Down players) in 2006 and a Vocational All Ireland (St Columban's, which is 100 per cent Down) this year. The finalists in the Sigerson Cup this spring listed a combined total of 60 players in the programme, with 20 of them from Down. This does not suggest that our juvenile coaches are less dedicated than in other counties.

The raw material is there if we can overhaul our structures. What we need is some vision and fresh thinking at county board level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 20, 2007, 10:57:11 AM
Underage success may not necessarily be a true form guide of the county boards underage set ups. My experience would suggest it's probably more to do with either a few clubs or school/colleges having made a concerted effort with a group of players from underage up. It's only at minor or so that the county board reap the rewards of someone elses work.

For example the Down minor hurlers who for all their problems run Antrim very closely success was based in the majority on the huge effort Ballycran have been putting into their underage teams with no assistance from the county board.

I'd bet that there are similar scenario's with underage football teams. What inputs would the county board had on the likes of Martin Clarke, James Colgan etc in their early years. I bet that their clubs and schools had more to do with their football schooling than any county board iniative.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale3 on June 20, 2007, 02:40:29 PM
Totally agree with Johnnycool. I think the last 2 years Minor performances are a truer reflection on the state of the County set-up than the St Louis inspired team 3 years ago. 3 scores this year against Monaghan is inept.
Look at Owen Beg or the Mid-Ulster set up at Cookstown - we are asking our Development Squads to go to a council pitch at Annsborough, or to get changed in a byre at Lisnacrees old pitch in Kilkeel. We therefore don't attract the cream to the county set up the way Tyrone do - yes the Kilcoo/Mayobridge/Hilltown lads will participate fully - but other better players in Downpatrick/Newry etc end up playing Milk Cup/Irish League soccer.
We need to make it "the thing" to play for the County, look after them etc - tradition is great, but the kids don't remember 91/94, never mind 60/61/68.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on June 20, 2007, 03:46:50 PM
would it be an idea for each team to have a seperate sponsor for example- and the sponsorship money used solely for this team and this team only with assistance from the county board? Would this help generate more £ for each team? Down is a big county with a big fanbase- could this be 'tapped' into more effectively by the county board? Armagh did a good job with their 500 club. Incentives need to be there for financial backers, unfortunately it costs big money these days to run county teams and this doesn't grow on trees. The development of pairc esler will go along way however to encouraging the youth to play for down as it can only mean more home games for down and a chance for the young ones to see their county. A centre of excellence is needed badly-st colmans would be ideal as would the new Abbey school when it is built.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 20, 2007, 05:29:30 PM
Quote from: redandblackjack on June 20, 2007, 03:46:50 PM
A centre of excellence is needed badly-st colmans would be ideal as would the new Abbey school when it is built.

There are advanced plans for state of the art generation what ever pitches and facilities at St Colman's college.The county Board are working with the college and Newry & Mourne Council on the project. It's badly needed but Castlewellan would be more central.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on June 20, 2007, 06:31:04 PM
I had heard about and seen plans for the new Abbey school with synthetic pitches, state of the art weights room and numerous playing pitches and there was talk of the county board jumping on board, i never knew St Colmans had plans too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on June 20, 2007, 06:44:30 PM
QuoteThere are advanced plans for state of the art generation what ever pitches and facilities at St Colman's college.The county Board are working with the college and Newry & Mourne Council on the project. It's badly needed but Castlewellan would be more central.

I find it hard to believe that the county board are hoping to base a centre of excellence at the college.  The parents of pupils at the college have been asked to contribute a substantial amount for the development of sports facilities and I cant see them being too happy if their money is used to bail the county board out.  I hear the pitches at the college are an absolute mess at the minute anyway and are one of the worst examples of prunty pitches about.  Its about time the Down county board had their own centre of excellence rather than expecting to use the facilities that clubs/schools which have paid a fortune to build.  Typical county board - looking to do things on the cheap again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 20, 2007, 08:24:22 PM
If the County Board is not to do things on the cheap it means in reality that all of us and others will have to put our hands in our pockets.
There's no more sponsorship available, no HM Govt grants and no Russian Billionaire. The sale of St Patrick's Park didn't go down too well so let's hear some realistic suggestions for raising the funds required to provide Down GAA with a state of the art training facility.
We all know it's needed but we have to be realistic about what it will cost.
This Saturday al the development squads are out. Proper transport and pitches have been arranged. Lets see how it goes.

The hurling development squads are all about deveolping skills and personal behaviour/lifestyle but the football squads play challenge matches against other counties. Why the different approach?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ONeill on June 20, 2007, 11:42:19 PM
I've been following Martin Clarke's progress in Collingwood. He has recently been called up to the senior squad as cover but is still playing in the VFL for Williamstown. I think you'll afford yourself a chuckle at this report from his most recent game:

Martin Clarke
Marty had 28 possessions as a half-back flanker, and he also did the job on his man. He had a long shot at goal from the centre of the ground, and I think it was marked in the goal square, so he was a little bit disappointed about that. He had a couple of shots at goal, but it was more about the way set the ball up from half back and through the middle of the ground. His work rate and his use by hand and foot was exceptional, but there was one interesting thing where he toed the ball running in motion and flicked the ball up into his hands rather than bending down to pick it up, that was quite amazing.

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/5586/Default.aspx?newsId=45179

From an earlier game:

Martin Clarke
Marty's progress is quite amazing. I had him on the half-forward flank, changing on-ball, and he kicked 1.1 and had 16 disposals. He did a great snap shot out of a pack for a goal inside our forward fifty, and also had a long shot at goal which just missed from about fifty metres out with the breeze, went through about post high, so he's a thumping kick. He was interesting, in the first quarter, kicking into the breeze, he had a shot from about 35 metres out, not quite understanding when you kick it into the breeze, you've actually got to keep it low. He's actually thumped this ball, which has gone very high and straight and just held up in the breeze. He probably set up another two or three goals, I'm pretty happy with the way he's going.

Earlier again:

43. Martin Clarke (rookie list)
Martin's an interesting one. At times he looks really, really good, at other times he made a couple of errors, which is just not knowing the game. On the weekend, he transferred the ball across from the defensive side to the attacking side, and the ball held up and they marked it, and he probably thought he was doing the right thing and he's learning. He just needs to play a lot of games.
Title: Martin Clarke
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 21, 2007, 12:16:13 AM
Thanks for this O'Neill.  Good to know the lad is doing well down under (wait for the wry posters to latch onto that statement).

Just wish we had him back here 2 weeks ago in the Red & Black.  He might have been able to counteract Finlay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bod Mor on June 21, 2007, 12:42:39 AM
I'm going to the Swans/Collingwood match on Saturday. Does anybody know if Clarke will be on the senior squad this weekend? It would be great to see himself and Kennelly on show.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ONeill on June 21, 2007, 07:51:38 AM
Quote from: Bod Mor on June 21, 2007, 12:42:39 AM
I'm going to the Swans/Collingwood match on Saturday. Does anybody know if Clarke will be on the senior squad this weekend? It would be great to see himself and Kennelly on show.

It looks like he'll be in the squad but almost a certainty not to feature.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 21, 2007, 09:23:26 AM
Noel Sexton was back training with the county last night.  Not before time if you ask me. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 21, 2007, 11:00:05 AM
with no offence to Noel Sexton or anyone else that has been drafted into the training squad/panel this is ridiculous.(and before ye go jump down my throat i think he is someone who should have been on it from the start).

why has Ross Carr picked a panel at all or has defenders on his bench if he knows he will never use them, they are just being used as training props as far as i can see. Your defence has been shite all season, come championship time its even more apparent that they are struggling, so instead of trying to build some sort of system to counteract or hide this difficiency what do we do..we go and start asking club defenders onto the panel when its pretty much too late at this stage. If you were one of those guys on the bench gettin no look in ye wouldnt be hangin around too much - quite demoralising to see that your manager doesnt rate you highly enough to stick you into the action and see what you can do.

Its clear that certain guys are on the panel to push as hard as possible for a place and make competition for places, thus pressurising the starting 15, but all along they wil never actually get a chance - glorified training aids.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: girt_giggler on June 21, 2007, 11:25:58 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6225600.stm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hitmaster on June 21, 2007, 11:31:49 AM
John McAreavey for Down?

The man has the class to make a difference. He's got the vision of a cat, he leaps like a salmon and is an accomplished free taker. Been doing some stuff for the lish.

Plus he's got the inside knowledge on the tyrone camp in case we ever meet them.

Done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 21, 2007, 11:38:26 AM
I duno if Sexton will be used as a defender.  He's playing all his football at number 10 these days.  He can play in defence but is better up front in my opinnion.  He is still the Bridges top scorer by a mile depsite missing a 2-3 games due to injury. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 21, 2007, 08:12:54 PM
Div three Half time Teconnaught 0-01 Bredagh 2-05
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 21, 2007, 08:54:49 PM
Div 3 Final Score

Teconnaught 1-06 Bredagh 4-08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on June 21, 2007, 10:39:03 PM
Bredagh 4-08 Teconnaugh 1-06 - exact same score as the Minor match on Wednesday night - spooky!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on June 22, 2007, 12:06:22 AM
Ballymartin 1-9 Annaclone 0-8

We were really poor tonight and deservedly got beat and now go behiind Ballymartin in the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 22, 2007, 10:11:28 AM
Latest Official ACFL Division 3 Table after Teconnaught v Bredagh game last night

Tullylish   18
Bredagh   17
Teconnaught   16
Dundrum   15
Drumgath   15
Saul   15
Bosco   14
Ardglass   13
Glenn   12
Mitchels   7
St Pauls   6
Bright   6



Outstanding Fixtures:

Bredagh v Glenn (To be Played this Monday)
Teconnaught v Saul (Awaiting Referees Report but Saul will probably get the 2 points)


Next Round of Fixtures:

Dundrum v Drumgath
Glenn v Mitchels
St Pauls v Tullylish
Ardglass v Saul
Bright v Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 22, 2007, 11:16:25 AM
crazy result annaclone....ballymartin playing great stuff, but definitely had you boys down to win that one. what happened? did you think after bholland result, you would win this one ok?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on June 22, 2007, 12:27:13 PM
Fair play to Marty Clarke, when you see the arrogance associated with lesser 'footballers' these days it is a pleasure to read about a real talent.
One thing is for sure, when he returns his appetite to play for his county will be as great as when he left. A great talent- one which will be even greater by the time he returns (if he returns).


Anyone know if you can watch that game over the net?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 22, 2007, 12:30:55 PM
Quote from: redandblackjack on June 22, 2007, 12:27:13 PM
Fair play to Marty Clarke, when you see the arrogance associated with lesser 'footballers' these days it is a pleasure to read about a real talent.
One thing is for sure, when he returns his appetite to play for his county will be as great as when he left. A great talent- one which will be even greater by the time he returns (if he returns).



Boys if he keeps progressing the way he is we will never see him in a Down jersey again and good luck to him...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on June 22, 2007, 01:21:46 PM
Quote from: cloneman on June 22, 2007, 12:06:22 AM
Ballymartin 1-9 Annaclone 0-8

We were really poor tonight and deservedly got beat and now go behiind Ballymartin in the league.

I've heard some great reports about pete mc colgan from annaclone. Is he  a potential solution to our obvious fralities in corner back at county level? Did he get a trial at the start of the year or was he overlooked?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 22, 2007, 01:22:10 PM
Delighted for Martin Clarke.
Given his unprecedented rise to 1st team status,it shows what an exceptional talent he is ,and an enormous loss to Down football.
While genuinely wishing Martin well, I would be interested to know what steps the county board has taken to ensure there isn't a drain of our best talents to Australia in the future.
Sean Cavanagh rejected overtures from AFL,on the basis that he was convinced he would win All-Irelands at home.How do we make sure that future Down stars have a genuine chance of winning All-Irelands?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on June 22, 2007, 01:44:30 PM
hitmaster was at the tullylish bosco game last week.your man mcareavey really impressed me scored 5 or 6 from play and was pinging passes like tommy hamill
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on June 22, 2007, 07:02:59 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on June 22, 2007, 11:16:25 AM
crazy result annaclone....ballymartin playing great stuff, but definitely had you boys down to win that one. what happened? did you think after bholland result, you would win this one ok?

I don't think complacency was the cause of defeat.  Gary McArdle was a big loss (although he hasnt broken his leg as originally thought) and we are also missing another two or three lads on holiday at the minute. Our squad just isn't big enough to cope with so many absences at once.
Fair play to Ballymartin though, they were definitley the hungrier team and despite our recent good form they stayed with us and have now ovetaken us in the league.




Quote from: Fíor Gael on June 22, 2007, 01:21:46 PM

I've heard some great reports about pete mc colgan from annaclone. Is he  a potential solution to our obvious fralities in corner back at county level? Did he get a trial at the start of the year or was he overlooked?

Pete's had a good year for us alright although he's been playing CHB.  I would say that his best position is definitley corner back and would be as good as a lot of the defensive players currently on the county squad if not the team.
As far as I know he had one trial before christmas, just after we finished in the playoffs and from what I gather he was given the impression after the trial that he would at least get another chance but was than called to say that his services were no longer required!

Although it would be great to see a couple of our boys in the county setup (the McArdles being two other possibilities on recent form), it would really dent the prospects of our senior team as I have mentioned above, we have a very small squad, and would find it very hard to cope without our better players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 22, 2007, 09:09:15 PM
any scores from tonights matches?

Dundrum v Drumgath
Glenn v Mitchels
St Pauls v Tullylish
Ardglass v Saul
Bright v Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 22, 2007, 09:20:08 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Dundrum 3-17   Drumgath 1-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pearses on June 22, 2007, 09:28:46 PM
Any reports DownFanatic? Where the county players available for both sides?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on June 22, 2007, 09:29:44 PM
Well deserved victory for your team tonight "Down Fanatic".apart from midfield you were pretty dominant throughout the pitch !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on June 22, 2007, 09:32:54 PM
Pearses, all the county men were playing tonight. thought jack lynch & paul mccomiskey were outstanding.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 22, 2007, 09:34:09 PM
Pearses, yeah county players were available. Paul McComiskey done centre half forward for us while Bernie Connell done goals for Drumgath and Packie Downey and Jackie Lynch done midfield.
Really good game. It was probably our best performance of the season. It was really exciting end to end stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 22, 2007, 09:38:30 PM
St Pauls, how did your lot do?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 22, 2007, 10:02:08 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

St. Paul's 0-07   Tullylish 3-13

That has got to be our worsed performance since I joined the club four years ago. We were absolutely abismal! No excuses here, Tullylish just ran us all over the park, they were fitter, they wanted it more and were infront for every ball!! Nothing else to be said!! I'll keep my opinions to myself on this one!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 22, 2007, 11:13:22 PM
Any word on the Lecale Derby - Ardglass v Saul?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on June 23, 2007, 01:29:24 AM
Thursday 21st June 7.30pm
O'Neills International Sportswear League
Div Two
Ballymartin 1.9 Annaclone 0.8
Div Three
Teconnaught 1.6 Bredagh 4.8
Div Four
St. Johns 1.5 Aghaderg 2.4

Friday 22nd June 7.15pm
O'Neills International Sportswear League
Div One
Castlewellan 0.15 Rostrevor 0.8
Loughinisland 1.10 Longstone 0.13
An Riocht 1.10 Kilcoo 1.19
Atticall 0.9 Burren 1.9
Bryansford 0.13 Liatroim 1.13
Div Two
Shamrocks 0.6 Ballyholland 3.13
Kilclief 3.12 Warrenpoint 0.6
Glasdrumman 2.8 Clann Na Banna 1.16
Carryduff 2.4 Darragh Cross 0.14
Downpatrick 1.9 Saval 2.8
Div Three
Dundrum 3.17 Drumgath 1.14
St. Pauls 0.8 Tullylish 3.13
Ardglass 0.11 Saul 1.6
Bright 2.3 Bosco 1.8
Div Four
Aughlisnafin 1.3 Ballykinlar 1.14
Drumaness 2.25 Dromara 0.6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downgael on June 23, 2007, 11:26:51 AM
The Bryansford and Liatroim result above is wrong - i was at the game and the ford won by a goal
Result should be Bryansford 1.13 Liatroim 0.13
Liatroim were unlucky not to get a point out of this game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 23, 2007, 01:46:53 PM
At the moment my table is somewhat different to that which is posted on the Down Website. Maybe 'St Pauls' you could help me out on this one but this is the Table as I think it stands at the moment.


ACFL Division 3 Table

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           14            20
Dundrum         14            17
Bredagh          13            17
Teconnaught   13            16
Bosco              14            16
Drumgath        14            15
Saul                13            15
Ardglass           14            15
Glenn              12            12
Mitchels           13             7
St Pauls           14             6
Bright              14             6



Outstanding Fixtures:

Bredagh v Glenn (To be Played this Monday)
Teconnaught v Saul (Awaiting Referees Report but Saul will probably get the 2 points)
Glenn v Mitchels


Next Set of Fixtures: (2nd Team is at Home)
Ardglass      v      Tullylish
Bright      v      Saul
Teconnaught   v      Bosco
Dundrum      v      Bredagh
Glenn      v      Drumgath
St Pauls      v      Mitchels

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 23, 2007, 05:22:26 PM
DownFantastic.
Gt jpob ur doing keeping us posted on the stats - keep it coming.  May records agree with yours except I think Bosco have dropped 14 pts (6 losses & 2 draws) and Bright should have 8pts.  I could be wrong.  What say you St Pauls?

Here are the Bosco results I have:

(L)Dundrum 2.13 Bosco 0.10 
(L)Teconnaught 1.9 Bosco 2.4 
(L)Bosco 1.5 Glenn 0.9 
(L)Bosco 0.7 Saul 1.8 
(D)Tullylish 0.15 Bosco 0.15 
(D)Drumgath 1.10 Bosco 1.10 
(L)Ardglass 3.11 Bosco 3.9 
(L)Bright 2.13 Bosco 1.8 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 23, 2007, 05:48:04 PM
Sorry guys,

I haven't really been keeping up to date with results and my league tables (can you blame me, after our run this year). will have a look at it and get as many results as I can together and get a league table up as soon as possible for ya!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 23, 2007, 09:36:53 PM
latest tables from Down.net

Division 3     
Club Played Won Draw Lost Points 
Tullylish 13 9 1 3 19 
Dundrum 14 8 1 5 17 
Bredagh 13 8 1 4 17 
Teconnaught 13 8 0 5 16 
Drumgath 14 7 1 6 15 
Ardglass 14 7 1 6 15 
Saul 13 7 1 5 15 
Bosco 13 7 1 5 15 
Glenn 12 5 2 5 12 
Mitchel's 13 3 1 9 7 
St Pauls 14 3 0 11 6 
Bright 14 3 0 11 6 
 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: UPDOWN on June 24, 2007, 01:16:18 PM
who should be in the down defense for the next match in the qualifiers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on June 24, 2007, 01:44:47 PM
I heard Monk Cole was so bad for Rostrevor he was taken off.  Now how can it be that you can play dung for your county and stay on but your club will take you off when you put in a similar performance for them.  Dont say that a club has better options on the bench than a county player.  Pehaps Aidan Farrell has more balls than Ross Carr.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on June 24, 2007, 06:13:49 PM
meath..............i'll take that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on June 24, 2007, 06:28:36 PM
sure why don't we all just give up then 5ive?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on June 24, 2007, 06:47:27 PM
So, Graham Geraghty is going to steam roll down? Come on man, you seem depressed, meath are not all they are cracked up to be and neither is Geraghty- the draw could have been a whole lot worse. Coulter is equally as good a Geraghty and has the ability to cause Fay problems. There is no point in thinking down are beat already- monaghan showed today they are no flash in the pan- hopefully home advantage will be a boost- Newry full of optimistic Down fans? Could be a first!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on June 24, 2007, 08:18:54 PM
Read the thread - CLUB hurling and football here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 24, 2007, 11:05:11 PM
Back to some Club stuff.

St Pauls -- how did your reserves go tonight?  Any other EDRL results for us?
We beat Carryduff comfortably.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 24, 2007, 11:12:29 PM
No idea Onion, will find out tomorrow night at training and let you know!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on June 25, 2007, 09:53:38 AM
Ref failed to show for the st johns v liatroim EDRFL last night.

On sat nite st johns 2s beat newry mitchels by 6 points in RFC replay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 25, 2007, 10:15:10 AM
harps had a big win over local rivals shamrocks on fri nite. long time coming in fact first win i think in over 6 yrs..!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on June 25, 2007, 10:47:54 AM

Where did you hear the mark rooney story gy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 25, 2007, 01:07:43 PM
Onion,

our reserves drew with Dundrum last night, 2-08 each.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 25, 2007, 01:25:08 PM
heard last nite, he was supposed to come to b holland, then i hear he is off to c'cruppin. good luck to them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stranworst on June 25, 2007, 07:31:16 PM
Is true about Mark Rooney, he told me himself
Title: glenn v mitchels
Post by: general on June 25, 2007, 08:53:49 PM
a shite glenn beat by a awful and perhaps worse mitchels side tonight 1.13- 1.11

mitchels deserved this result

bring back our aussie players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stranworst on June 25, 2007, 09:12:00 PM
Mark lives in bessbrook beside the Pit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stranworst on June 25, 2007, 09:22:48 PM
I dunno what you call the place where he lives, just know where from saucing sessions!

Ah well, if he wants to move then fair fucks to him. Hopefully it'll be better for him and he can get more of a chance to progress
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mhic Easmuint on June 25, 2007, 09:57:33 PM
Was the game played tonight between Kilcoo and Clonduff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on June 26, 2007, 01:55:25 PM
Hurling league action tonight. Portaferry going for the league won't have it easy at home to Ballycran. Ballela are at home to liatroim in a local derby and the Fontenroys should win that one. Shamrocks look to continue their winning ways at home to Ballygalget who can't score at the minute.

In Div 2, Bredagh will be close to winning the league if they win away to Clonduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on June 26, 2007, 04:35:15 PM
Portaferry and Shamrocks are neck in neck in Div 1 and I'd expect both to win again tonight. Ballela are focused on getting 15 men on the field whereas Listoim have improved recently. Liatroim by a couple.

In Div 2 Clonduff have lost their way a bit after an excellent start. They've a very young team and a good youth setup and i expect them to challenge better in years to come. I can't see anyone stopping Bredagh now. Their win over a strong Ballycran a couple of weeks ago was the clincher.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 26, 2007, 11:39:06 PM
Div 1
Shamrocks 0-18 1-09 Ballygalget

Div 2
Clonduff 0-03 7-13 Bredagh
Ballygalget lost to Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 27, 2007, 09:17:38 AM
I'd like to say that Bacon was right and there was a couple between us and liatroim.... but we were stuffed! Liatroim, attack after attack went in search of goals, with play reminiscent of a 7's team, their support play and teamwork was excellent with Jerome Mc Crickard conducting operartions whether on the ball or otherwise. Half-time score was 5.4 to 2.3 to them, in the second half intensity dropped with liatroim picking off a succession of points, i'l keep the score to myself! :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 27, 2007, 09:40:13 AM
Liatroim are playing very well this year and have stepped up a level from last year. Young McCartan is a real star. They must be a good bet to retain the IHC. I don't think that's very been done before because previous winners have had to play senior for a year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on June 27, 2007, 09:47:31 AM
i have already posted this in the aussie rules thread but just thought id post it here so as all us down folk can get a look at it. don't think the aussies are familiar with the chip lift!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHkrqVaxXOM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on June 27, 2007, 01:22:00 PM
Ballycran drew with Portaferry in Div 1 last night. Portaferry still top of the league but Newry close the gap with their win over Ballygalget.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 27, 2007, 03:41:33 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on June 27, 2007, 01:22:00 PM
Ballycran drew with Portaferry in Div 1 last night. Portaferry still top of the league but Newry close the gap with their win over Ballygalget.

Have Newry not to play the Ports both home and away yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on June 27, 2007, 03:45:04 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 27, 2007, 03:41:33 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on June 27, 2007, 01:22:00 PM
Ballycran drew with Portaferry in Div 1 last night. Portaferry still top of the league but Newry close the gap with their win over Ballygalget.

Have Newry not to play the Ports both home and away yet?
I think you're right. A game was called off due to county players. They also have to travel to Ballycran next week. All to play for yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 28, 2007, 09:54:08 AM
The Rostrevor v Mayobridge game is now at 7:15 tonight instead of 7:30
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on June 28, 2007, 10:27:56 AM
In Div 2 of the ACHL Bredagh are 4 points ahead of Ballycran with 3 games left to be played. Clonduff are out of it. It's Bredagh's to lose now but we're still hanging in there waiting for a slip. Bredagh have to play Castlewellan away and Ballygalget twice. 3 tough games so it's not over yet!

Can anyone confirm the position in Div 1? Why were the hurling tables removed from Down GAA site? Is it now the Down Gaelic Football Site?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 28, 2007, 10:57:31 AM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on June 28, 2007, 10:27:56 AM
Is it now the Down Gaelic Football Site?

Is Diarmuid Cahill still in charge?

In fairness to Diarmuid when he was doing the Down GAA yearbook he told me that he'd requested articles from all clubs but the three Ards clubs didn't provide anything and that was the year Ballygalget had won the Ulster club championship, so in a way we have a responsibility to be more pro-active in a lot of the PRO stuff for hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 28, 2007, 02:06:29 PM
JC - you're right but the hurling leagues are All County Leagues run by the County Board in the same way as the football leagues. I've no idea why they would suddently remove them from the league tables section. 

Diarmuid is still PRO but I think he is on holiday. He used to post on here at one time. It was rumoured the then Chairman told him to stop.
If you read this Diarmuid, from Spain or where ever, can you post the hurling league tables on the Web site?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 28, 2007, 05:16:01 PM
ACFL Division 3 Table

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           14            20
Saul                14            17
Dundrum         14            17
Bredagh          13            17
Teconnaught   14            16
Bosco              14            16
Drumgath        14            15
Ardglass           14            15
Glenn              13            12
Mitchels           14             9
St Pauls           14             6
Bright              14             6



Outstanding Fixture:

Bredagh v Glenn (To be Played this Monday)


Next Set of Fixtures: (2nd Team is at Home)
Ardglass      v      Tullylish
Bright      v      Saul
Teconnaught   v      Bosco
Dundrum      v      Bredagh
Glenn      v      Drumgath
St Pauls      v      Mitchels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 28, 2007, 11:10:40 PM
Div 3 The closest most interesting Div in Down this year.

Predictions for tomorrow.

Tullylish v Ardglass        (Tullylish)
Saul v Bright                (Saul)
Bosco v Teconnaught   (Bosco)     
Bredagh v Dundrum      (too close to call)     
Drumgath v Glenn        (Drumgath) 
Mitchels v St Pauls        (Mitchels)     
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on June 29, 2007, 08:17:34 AM
The championship arrangements committee has agreed dates, times, venus and refs. Can somebody post the details?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on June 29, 2007, 09:22:07 AM
Would any of the posters on this thread know the name/contact no for any of the coaches taking the East Down U-14 School of Excellence trials/squad this season.

I take an U-14 team and need to speak with one of them re a player of mine who is shortlisted for the final trials tomorrow. I emailed the east down sec requesting the info at the start of the week with no response.

If anyone can help please PM me with info, thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 29, 2007, 09:29:15 AM
JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
(A) NAOMH EOIN (St. John's)      
Tues 14th Aug 7.30 (B) NAOMH EOIN BOSCO (St. John Bosco) v DROIM BEARACH (Dromara) Drumgath D Brogan
Tues 14th Aug 7.30 (C) MISTEILIGH AN ÍUIR (Mitchel's) v NAOMH MICHÍL (St. Michael's) Glenn D Ryan
Tues 14th Aug 7.30 (D) NAOMH PÓL (St Pauls) v DROIM AN EASA (Drumaness) Carryduff P Brownlee
Roinn 1               
1 BAILE CHOINNLEORA (Ballykinlar) v Winners (B)      
2 BREACHTÁIN (Bright) v Winners (A)      
3 Winners (C) v Aghaderg      
4 Winners (D) v ACHADA LIOS NA FÉINNE (Aughlisnafin)      
                  

AROUND-A-POUND INTERMEDIATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP            
Fri 10th Aug 7.30   8   AN GHLEANN (Glenn)   v   DÚN PHADRAIG (Downpatrick)   Castlewellan   D Laverty
Sat 11th Aug 5.00   2   TI CHONNACHTA (Teconnaught)   v   DÚN DROMA (Dundrum)   Downpatrick   J Killen
Sat 11th Aug 6.30   3   CEATHRU AODHA DHUIBH (Carryduff)   v   BREDACH (Bredagh)   Downpatrick   M Rawlinson
Sun 12th Aug 1.00   4   CROIS DARACH (Darragh Cross)   v   CLANN na BANNA (Clann na Banna)   St Johns   O Burke
Sun 12th Aug 2.30   5   SABHAILL (Savall)   v   CILL CLEITHE (Kilclief)   St Johns   P Brannigan
Sun 12th Aug 2.30   6   BAILE CHOLMÁIN (Ballyholland)   v   AN GHLÁSDROMAINN (Glasdrumman)   An Riocht   J Burns
Mon 13th Aug 7.30   7   NAOMH PHADRAIG (Saul)   v   BAILE UI MHAIRTIN (Ballymartin)   Dundrum   G Tumelty
Tue 14th Aug 7.30   1   TULACH LIOS (Tullylish)   v   ARD GHLÁIS (Ardglass)   Kilcoo   L Morgan
                  
POWERADE SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP               
Thu 9th Aug 7.30   5   CILL CHUA (Kilcoo)   v   LIATROIM (Liatroim)   Clonduff   G Corrigan
Fri 10th Aug 7.30   6   CLUAIN DAIMH (Clonduff)   v   ATH BHRIAIN (Bryansford)   Attical   D Moore
Sat 11th Aug 5.00   2   SEAMROGAÍ AN ÍUIR (Shamrocks)   v   LOCH AN OILEAIN (Loughinisland)   Newcastle   S Lowey
Sat 11th Aug 6.30   3   CAISLEÁN an MHUILLIN (Castlewellan)   v   AN RÍOCHT (An Riocht)   Newcastle   E O Hare
Sun 12th Aug 5.00   1   RINN MHIC GIOLLA RUA (Warrenpoint)   v   BOIREANN (Burren)   Newry   N Cousins
Sun 12th Aug 6.30   4   DROIM GATH (Drumgath)   v   AN CLOCH FHADA (Longstone)   Newry   N Morgan
Mon 13th Aug 7.30   8   CAISLEÁN RUAIRI (Rostrevor)   v   EANACH CLUANA (Annaclone)   Mayobridge   L Smyth
Tue 14th Aug 7.30   7   DROICHEAD MHAIGH EO (Mayobridge)   v   AIT TI CHATHAIL (Atticall)   Burren   G Brannigan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on June 29, 2007, 09:32:14 AM
Thanks wobbler. A man with his finger on the pulse. Have you the hurling details as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 29, 2007, 10:49:36 AM
Fri 10th Aug 7.30   6   CLUAIN DAIMH (Clonduff)   v   ATH BHRIAIN (Bryansford)  Attical    D Moore

Why is this game being brought to Attical, I know they deserve a game but this is a very big draw and I am afraid they have called it wrong.
Castlewellan was the obvious choice for this game.
Title: FAO JohnneyCool / Blue Island
Post by: No1 on June 29, 2007, 10:53:51 AM
  Can either of you explain the craic with Magic going to Loughinisland for football?

 The blues are stretching their net further and wider, is no-one safe?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 29, 2007, 11:01:51 AM
Loughinisland 0.8 Clonduff 0.8 - played last night, Clonduff led 0.8 to 0.4 at half time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on June 29, 2007, 11:13:19 AM
Why did McGrouty go to Darragh Cross? I would have thought Kilclief was the obvious choice for Ards footballers? St Paul's are probably playing at too low a level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 29, 2007, 11:33:20 AM
I think Magic played minor football for Kilclief. Was there a falling out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 29, 2007, 11:33:55 AM
Quote from: Bacon on June 29, 2007, 11:13:19 AM
Why did McGrouty go to Darragh Cross? I would have thought Kilclief was the obvious choice for Ards footballers? St Paul's are probably playing at too low a level.

Darragh Cross is probably handier for Brendan than Kilclief as he doesn't need to bother about ferry boats and the likes.

Magic on the other hand is a law onto himself and f**k knows where the Loughinisland thing came in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 29, 2007, 11:37:51 AM
The attraction of Div 1 football maybe?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 29, 2007, 12:18:23 PM
  There was no falling out at all, he played a couple of minor games and that was it.  I thought he registered for football with S*ul at some stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on June 29, 2007, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: Bacon on June 29, 2007, 09:32:14 AM
Thanks wobbler. A man with his finger on the pulse. Have you the hurling details as well?

There you go Bacon.
      DOWN DEMOCRAT                
      INTERMEDIATE HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP               
Date   Time   QUARTER FINAL            Venue   Referee
Sunday 29th July   2 00   A   BAILE MHIC UILEAGOID (Ballygalget)   v   BAILE AN MHEIRLIGH(Ballyvarley)   Darragh Cross   L Quinn
Sunday 29th July   3 30   B   LIATROIM (Liatroim)   v   CILL CLEITHE (Kilclief)   Downpatrick   P Branniff
Sunday 29th July   2 00   C   SEAMROGAÍ AN ÍUIR (Shamrocks)   v   BAILE CRANN (Ballycran)   Downpatrick   HP Mc Cusker


   DOWN DEMOCRAT               
   JUNIOR HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP             Venue   Referee
   QUARTER FINALS               
Sat/Sun 4/5th Aug   (A)   CAISLEÁN an MHUILLIN (Castlewellan)   v   BREDACH (Bredagh)   Kilclief   
Sat/Sun 4/5th Aug   (B)   BAILE CRANN (Ballycran)   v   RINN MHIC GIOLLA RUA (Warrenpoint)   Downpatrick   
Sat/Sun 4/5th Aug   (C)   CLUAIN DAIMH (Clonduff)   v   BAILE AILEACH (Ballela)   Liatroim   
Sat/Sun 4/5th Aug   (D)   PORT AN PHEIRE (Portaferry)   v   BAILE MHIC UILEAGOID (Ballygalget)    Ballycran   

No more details on the SHC yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 29, 2007, 01:26:37 PM
That referee in the first hurling game isn't up to much.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 29, 2007, 01:29:37 PM
F*** that, i'm away to Spain on the 3rd! >:(  I'd been of the opinion that our match was on the 1st.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 29, 2007, 02:55:28 PM
Rostrevor 2-5 Mayobridge 0-11

One we probably should have won.  They got two fairly lucky goals, one in each half.  Noel Sexton scored 8 points, 5 frees and 3 from play.  Conor Daly went off injured for Rostrevor, looked like a hamstring injury.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 29, 2007, 06:20:51 PM
Quote from: No1 on June 29, 2007, 01:26:37 PM
That referee in the first hurling game isn't up to much.

:D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 29, 2007, 08:54:03 PM
Bredagh beat Dumdrum tonight in Cherryvale
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turkey+ham on June 29, 2007, 09:27:09 PM
Saul bt Bright. Christ it was a woeful game of football. Bertie Brannigan refing awful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 29, 2007, 09:59:43 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Bredagh 2-18  Dundrum 2-09

Enda Gormley scored about 2-13 I would say say. What a performance he had. Good result for Bredagh. They played some great stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 29, 2007, 10:22:30 PM
Down ACFL Division 2

Clann na Banna 3-07  Carryduff 4-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on June 29, 2007, 11:43:42 PM
Annaclone 1-11 Downpatrick 0-12

A good two points for Annaclone despite the squad being depleted.  We were 7 up at half time and played the last 20 - 25 mins with 14 men so did well to finish with a win.

Ballyholland beat Saval by 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 30, 2007, 12:13:05 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 29, 2007, 09:59:43 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Bredagh 2-18  Dundrum 2-09

Enda Gormley scored about 2-13 I would say say. What a performance he had. Good result for Bredagh. They played some great stuff.

That was a fantastic performance from Enda Gormley, best single performance I have seen for a long time, unplayable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 30, 2007, 12:23:48 AM

If Enda Gormley got 2-13 tonight, and the entire Derry team got 1-9 last Sunday, perhaps he should play Armagh by himself next Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownHead on June 30, 2007, 12:53:34 AM
since div three is by far the most interestin league this year wit so many teams goin for promo!! any one care to give thier suggestions to an all star team based on proformances so far this year!! state.... player(club) + 5 subs!!! a bit of cohearent debate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 30, 2007, 02:14:12 AM
What an interesting Div 3 we have this year. 
Quality of football is good.  9 teams in the running for 4 play-off places.  The present top two teams have a difficult remaining matches.  My predictions for top 4 at this stage would be:

Drumgath, Bredagh, Saul & Dundrum.

If the upper divisions are folllowing the level of advancement Div3, must soon translate into a better County team.

Fri 29 Jun results

Tullylish 1.15 Ardglass 0.12
Bosco 2.6 Teconnaught 0.8
Drumgath 0.11 Glenn 0.10
Mitchels 0.18 St. Pauls 1.13
Saul 3.8 Bright 0.6
Bredagh 2.18 Dundrum 2.9

This table may be wrong as I have Bosco having dropped 14pts whereas other tables suggest they have only dropped 12

Pld   Pts   
15   22   Tullylish
14   19   Bredagh
14   17   Saul
15   17   Dundrum
15   17   Drumgath
14   16   Teconnaght
15   16   Bosco
15   15   Ardglass
14   14   Glenn
15   9   Mitchels
15   8   Bright
15   6   St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 30, 2007, 10:21:59 AM
In the Onion Bag, going on the results you provided this is the Division 3 Table.

ACFL Division 3 Table

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           15            22
Saul                15            19
Bredagh          14            19
Bosco             15            18
--------------------------------------------
Dundrum         15            17
Drumgath        15            17
Teconnaught   15            16
Ardglass           15            15
------------------------------------------
Glenn              14            12
Mitchels           15            11
St Pauls           15             6
Bright              15             6



Outstanding Fixture:

Bredagh v Glenn (To be Played tonight)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on June 30, 2007, 01:42:02 PM
any results from div 1&2 last night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 30, 2007, 01:53:14 PM
Can anyone say if 2-13 is a record for Down football ?I would reckon it is for a 42 year old !
Title: Fri 29th Jun Results
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 30, 2007, 02:19:41 PM
Div One
Kilcoo 4.13 Atticall 0.3
Longstone 3.11 An Riocht 0.13
Burren (sat) Bryansford
Liatroim 1.6 Castlewellan 2.11
Rostrevor 2.5 Mayobridge 0.11
Clonduff 0.8 Loughinisland 0.8

Div Two
Clann Na Banna 3.7 Carryduff 4.11
Darragh Cross 1.7 Ballymartin 0.14
Annaclone 1.11 Downpatrick 0.12
Saval 0.7 Ballyholland 1.8
Shamrocks 0.13 Kilclief 0.13
Warrenpoint 4.14 Glasdrumman 1.10

Div Three
Glenn 1.9 Mitchels 1.6
Tullylish 1.15 Ardglass 0.12
Saul 3.8 Bright 0.6
Bosco 2.6 Teconnaught 0.8
Bredagh 2.18 Dundrum 2.9
Drumgath 0.11 Glenn 0.10
Mitchels 0.18 St. Pauls 1.13

Div Four
Drumaness 1.22 St. Michaels 1.8
St. Johns 1.14 Ballykinlar 0.6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bogball XV on June 30, 2007, 02:45:29 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 30, 2007, 01:53:14 PM
Can anyone say if 2-13 is a record for Down football ?I would reckon it is for a 42 year old !
Nah, Gormley is only 41!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 30, 2007, 06:22:22 PM
Down ACFL Division 1

Burren 1-07  Bryansford 0-13

Went to the game. Bryansford ran away with it in the 2nd half. Sean Ward played well at midfield for Burren while Kevin McKernan was excellent at centre half back. Bryansford's best performers were Conor Gribben, Ciaran Brannigan and Gareth Toner.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on July 01, 2007, 03:52:02 PM
is kevin mcgovern getting a run for burren seniors at minute?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 01, 2007, 10:51:53 PM
EDRL Results Sun 1 Jul

Bryansford 0.12 Bredagh 0.6
St Pauls 2.13 St Johns 0.12

Anyone know how Castlewellan and Leitriom went?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 02, 2007, 08:06:00 AM
I hear Liatroim camog's got beaten by Clonduff in the championship for the first time in something like 16 years, is there any truth in that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on July 02, 2007, 09:48:13 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 02, 2007, 08:06:00 AM
I hear Liatroim camog's got beaten by Clonduff in the championship for the first time in something like 16 years, is there any truth in that?

Yeah I heard that too but don't know the score or any details.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 02, 2007, 09:54:27 AM
i think the test of div 3 is to see how the recently promoted clubs are doing......and also to see how the relegated div2 clubs from last year are doing. all in all, i think its fair to say we have 5 teams at top of div2, and the rest would be top two teams in div3 if they got relegated. i really dont think the improvement in div3 football will have any impact at all on the county team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turkey+ham on July 02, 2007, 11:58:47 AM
I agree with goldenyears. Having been relegated from DivII last year, I have to say that the standard of football in DivIII is nowhere near standard of DivII. Added to this the extremely poor standard of refs and some of the football I have witnessed this year is shocking. Poor handling, losing possession every other pass, 20+ wides per game,....... The fact it is so close is more due to the fact that no team seems to be able to keep a run going due to losing players to injury, work or 'other' commitments that they feel are more important than football. Saul, Tullylish & Drumgath have sampled life in senior football recently and look to be the best teams in this division, with Bredagh and Dundrum improving steadily. Surely the recommendations that were put forward earlier in the year should be looked at again, as this year's leagues indicate they would be more appropriate.
I feel that the playoffs will be between T'lish, D'gath and Saul. Dundrum can have a big say in this, but Bredagh & teconnaught, are just too far off the pace. As for those gypsies from *****ass, don't get me started!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on July 02, 2007, 12:16:22 PM
Quotedded to this the extremely poor standard of refs and some of the football I have witnessed this year is shocking. Poor handling, losing possession every other pass, 20+ wides per game,....... The fact it is so close is more due to the fact that no team seems to be able to keep a run going due to losing players to injury, work or 'other' commitments that they feel are more important than football.

Spot on T&H, shocking standard with the ref's abilities mirroring that of the players, it's only close because none of the teams are much cop. As for the playoffs, Tullylish are the only certainty imo while who joins them will depend on such vagaries as holidays and the start of the local soccer season, which says it all imo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on July 02, 2007, 03:29:36 PM
Any reports on the an ríocht v longstone match, heard there was a number of bust ups and the an ríocht full forward got his jaw broke in two places? Can anyone confirm this or is it just a gross exaggeration?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 02, 2007, 03:44:11 PM
martin clarke hit 3 goals for collingwood at weekend
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 02, 2007, 05:22:54 PM
DOWN GAA FIXTURES



Tuesday 3rd July 7.30pm

Democrat Media Hurling Leagues

Div One

Kilclief v Portaferry

Ballycran v Shamrocks

Ballygalget v Ballela

Div Two

Ballycran v Warrenpoint

Portaferry v Ballyvarley

Castlewellan v Clonduff

Bredagh v Balygalget



Thursday 5th July 7.30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

An Riocht v Rostrevor

Castlewellan v Clonduff

Bryansford v Longstone

Loughinisland v Kilcoo

Mayobridge v Burren

Liatroim v Atticall

Div Two

Carryduff v Shamrocks

Ballyholland v Warrenpoint

Downpatrick v Clann Na Banna

Glasdrumman v Darragh Cross

Kilclief v Annaclone

Ballymartin v Saval

Div Three

Ardglass v Drumgath

Dundrum v Mitchels

Teconnaught v Tullylish

St. Pauls v Saul

Glenn v Bosco

Bright v Bredagh

Div Four

Ballykinlar v Aghaderg

Dromara v St. Johns

St. Michaels v Aughlisnafin



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack4ever on July 02, 2007, 06:52:54 PM
Yes, it's true  Clonduff beat Liatriom yesterday afternoon. From the Clonduff website:

"Clonduff Senior Camogs created their own little bit of history on Sunday afternoon when they defeated long-time champions, Liatroim in the Semi Final in Clonduff Park on Sunday afternoon! Liatroim were going for their 17th title and 13-in-a-row but Clonduff, who have had the talent for a number of years got it all together on Sunday. Right from the off Clonduff won a 45 and from Fionnuala Carr's conversion they never looked other than they were going to win. The half time score was Clonduff 1-8 Liatroim 0-6. On the restart, Sara Louise Carr drove in the ball but the Liatroim keeper found it too hot to handle and dropped it over the line. Liatroim won a penalty but it was well saved with Guinevra McGilligan, Fionnuala Carr and Moya Maginn taking on the responsibility of keeping it out and this they did with great assurance. Liatroim did score a goal towards the end of the game but the it was too little too late. Ten of Liatroim's scores came from the stick of Mairín McAleenan either from frees or 45s. The final score was Clonduff 2-12 Liatroim 1-11.
This was a magnificent team performance and every single player put heart and soul into the game and it is perhaps unfair to single out any player, but the three, mentioned earlier at the penalty save performed at that level throughout the game. However, Moya Maginn's mopping up and clearances just about shaded it. Well Done Girls! and go for it in the final to be played on 22 July!"

Well done, ladies.  Up the Yellas!!!!

mrs. redandblack4ever
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 02, 2007, 09:04:20 PM
Div 3 Result

Bredagh 1-16 Glenn 0-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on July 02, 2007, 10:37:55 PM
ACHL Div 1
Ballycran v Shamrocks
If Ballycran win this Portaferry win Div 1 as Shamrocks are the only team who can stop them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 03, 2007, 08:22:12 AM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on July 02, 2007, 10:37:55 PM
ACHL Div 1
Ballycran v Shamrocks
If Ballycran win this Portaferry win Div 1 as Shamrocks are the only team who can stop them.

Surely if Newry do Portaferry twice in their two remaining games it won't matter what tonights result could be as I don't think the shamrocks have dropped points elsewhere or have they?

IMO Newry are the better team but the better teams don't always win, just ask TIpp.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on July 03, 2007, 09:25:25 AM
JC I know its your opinion but based on the teams we'v played against both Liatroim and Portaferry are streets ahead of Shamrocks. Shamrocks have about 6 players who carry the team whereas L & P have fifteen hurlers who are comfortable in possession. I'd be very surprised if they won the Int championship ahead of either Liatroim or Portaferry.
I think Liatroim beat Shamrocks by 7 points 2 weeks ago, dont take that as gospel though.

What sort of a team will you field tonight? Here's hoping we gather a team!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 03, 2007, 09:52:42 AM
We're up and down at the minute but should be a bit stronger that what we have been of recent. A few boys away on holidays and a few injuries but our turn outs at training have drastically increased in the last few weeks so we're hoping to drive on from that.

I still think we'll get our house in order in time to lift the intermediate championship, so it's between Liatroim, Newry and ourselves and if Dingy can recover from his knee injury in time, he'll swing it our way. Scoring forwards are worth their weight in gold at this level. The Ports are decimated after their unsuccessful excursions in Ulster last year. The Crans I'm not so sure about as they fancied their chances last year but came up short, who knows!

P.S. I hear the Ports new signing lined out for them against St Galls on sunday, he obviously got an address in Portaferry even though he's living in Belfast still. I haven't seen any caravans about though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: aontroim abu on July 03, 2007, 10:03:45 AM
JC who has signed for portaferry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 03, 2007, 10:52:32 AM

guys just to let you know this is my 1st post and may i warn warn you i tend to go on a wee bit. just a few wee things on the 3rd division, having both played and coached in the 3rd div.it is clear to see the vast improvment in the standard of football in the division and this year paticulary some of the games and the results have ben exellent, in a league where any one can beat anyone and where no team have got a rel good run of form going i still think it is hard to say who will make the top 4, yes tullylish seem to be edging out in front and should be there but it is still so close to call and having read messages over the last hour i am amazed that the authors have failed to see the emergence of my own team up the table but in a way that suits us.
Next i would like to make 1 comment about the behaviour of a very very small minority of club supporters , i am still very dissapointed and angry when you have to listen to yobs encouraging their players to "BREAK THE FU+%ERS LEG" or "DO THE BAS!*RD", is there really a place in our game for this ? i dont think so , i urge all clubs to address this before an inncident occurs and lifes change.
so hope to get your input and replys on what i have said and as i said i have plenty to say.
regards
Mo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 03, 2007, 12:23:25 PM
Quote from: aontroim abu on July 03, 2007, 10:03:45 AM
JC who has signed for portaferry

Kevin McGarry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 03, 2007, 12:31:46 PM
Is McGarry eligible for IHC? He probably is.
The best team I've seen in Div 1 this year is Liatroim. They've come on a lot since last year. Ballygalget have been struggling to field and the game in Newry last week was played 14 aside. No doubt they'll have a full squad available for the championship. Ballyvarley and Kilclief are a bit of the pace but any one of the other 5 teams can win it this year. It looks very open to me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on July 03, 2007, 01:20:42 PM
Agreed lecale, liatroim have been the most impressive team that i think we'v faced to date, although we'v yet to play ballycran.
Kevin Mc Garry should be an excellent addition for Portaferry, although ive never seen him i remember( i think it was Woody) saying in the Irish News that he was one of, if not thee best player on Jordanstowns Div2 AI winning team. Condsidering that was a team full of Ulster County seniors high praise indeed. Will he line out for the county or remain with fermanagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 03, 2007, 05:18:31 PM
ACFL Division 3 Table

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           15            22
Bredagh          15            21
Saul                15            19
Bosco             15            18
--------------------------------------------
Dundrum         15            17
Drumgath        15            17
Teconnaught   15            16
Ardglass           15            15
------------------------------------------
Glenn              15            12
Mitchels           15            11
St Pauls           15             6
Bright              15             6

Next set of Fixtures:
Ardglass v Drumgath
Dundrum v Mitchels
Teconnaught v Tullylish
St. Pauls v Saul
Glenn v Bosco
Bright v Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 03, 2007, 06:19:11 PM
Agree with a lot that Boscomop has said, they are coming up on the rail unnoticed, but there is still only seven points separating the top eight, proves how close and exciting this division is. they played us off the park down there and played some direct fast football.

wheres your money on for the top four places? who have your lot left to play?

I hate these so called supporters who constantly call for someone to be broken, their own club should take action against them, they bring the game into disrepute
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on July 03, 2007, 06:42:03 PM
QuotePosted by: DownFanatic
Insert Quote
ACFL Division 3 Table

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           15            22
Bredagh          15            21
Saul                15            19
Bosco             15            18
--------------------------------------------
Dundrum         15            17
Drumgath        15            17
Teconnaught   15            16
Ardglass           15            15
------------------------------------------
Glenn              15            12
Mitchels           15            11
St Pauls           15             6
Bright              15             6

Fanatic, is there any reason you split the div into segments of four? I was under the impression that playoffs were top three and bottom three?

Also, does the EDRL have a top four playoff and if so why?

I wouldn't get too worked up about clowns shouting outside the wire either, you'll find that if they ever did play, they were afraid of their own shadow when they did. I always took it as a compliment when I got abuse from opposition supporters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 03, 2007, 08:25:40 PM
in answear who i think will be in my top 4 i will give u three. 1. tullylish  2. bredagh 3. saul  dont wanna shite on my own door step and say us but drumgath are still floating about as are dundrum.
we have home games v mitchels, drumgath & tullylish
away games v mitchels , glenn, saul and bredagh i f we loose two we are in the bottome 4 THEN ITS A DIFFERNT BALL GAME.

so i think it will be a great run this year in div 3 and we still have the challange of the JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP
regards
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on July 03, 2007, 10:14:21 PM
ACHL Div 1
Ballycran 4-11 1-11 Newry
Newry were ahead by a couple of points at the end of a very wet first half but 3 second half goals won it for the crans. James Henry Hughes was MOM for Ballycran with Ciaran Courtney best for Shamrocks. Good, hard, league hurling, well refereed but that result will have little bearing on the championship match in 4 weeks time.
Any other results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 03, 2007, 11:43:14 PM
BoscoMo.  Something is confusing me about your results.  I reckon Bosco have dropped 14 pts as below

R3 L   Dundrum 2.13 Bosco 0.10
R5 L   Teconnaught 1.9 Bosco 2.4
R6 L   Bosco 1.5 Glenn 0.9
R7 L   Bosco 0.7 Saul 1.8
R9 D   Tullylish 0.15 Bosco 0.15
R11 D   Drumgath 1.10 Bosco 1.10
R12 L   Ardglass 3.11 Bosco 3.9
R15 L   Bright 2.13 Bosco 1.8

but all the tables show them only dropped 12.  What result have I got wrong please?
   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on July 03, 2007, 11:56:08 PM
QuoteR15 L   Bright 2.13 Bosco 1.8

QuoteR15 L   Bright 2.03 Bosco 1.8

Good man Onion can you answer my query about the EDRL?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 04, 2007, 12:40:15 AM
Cheers passedit,
So bloodly obvious now. Thanks, thats been annoying me for weeks now.

Sorry I cannot give a definite answer to your question but my understanding is it doesn't matter who tops Div 3 as all top 4 must play off.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 04, 2007, 08:00:36 AM
ACHL Div1

Ballygalget 4 20
Ballela       1 04

Ballygalget fielded what will be more or less their intermediate team tonight barring two, G Flynn and the dog. With Dingy and Chrissy Braniff ready made replacements for both it'll not weaken the team a whole pile.

Finally we've got backs in backs positions and forwards in forwards positions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on July 04, 2007, 08:22:33 AM
ACHL Div 1
Castlewellan 3-9 1-6 Clonduff. After a poor league campaign the Town have gotten over their injuries and are in good form coming into the championship where Bredagh are waiting for them. I heard that Bredagh were beaten by Ardoyne in the Antrim league on Sunday night. That must be a surprise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 04, 2007, 08:36:20 AM
Quote from: Bacon on July 04, 2007, 08:22:33 AM
ACHL Div 1
Castlewellan 3-9 1-6 Clonduff. After a poor league campaign the Town have gotten over their injuries and are in good form coming into the championship where Bredagh are waiting for them. I heard that Bredagh were beaten by Ardoyne in the Antrim league on Sunday night. That must be a surprise.

I hear John Murphy is looking at a start in midfield for Down on saturday against Kerry. What's he like?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on July 04, 2007, 09:23:56 AM
He's good from a dead ball, would hit all hilltowns frees and but has done very little from play anytime we'v played them. He may have sharpened up since his time on the senior panel but in truth, if all players in down were available for county selection i doubt he'd get on the panel. Here's hopin he doesnt prove me wrong in the junior champ.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 04, 2007, 09:28:33 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 04, 2007, 08:36:20 AM
Quote from: Bacon on July 04, 2007, 08:22:33 AM
ACHL Div 1
Castlewellan 3-9 1-6 Clonduff. After a poor league campaign the Town have gotten over their injuries and are in good form coming into the championship where Bredagh are waiting for them. I heard that Bredagh were beaten by Ardoyne in the Antrim league on Sunday night. That must be a surprise.

I hear John Murphy is looking at a start in midfield for Down on saturday against Kerry. What's he like?

JC - He's a good player who stands out in the Down league & for the juniors but I've never seen him play senior. He scored something like 3-10 for Clonduff in the championship Q/F last year but that was against Warrenpoint!

Bacon - It's right what you heard - Bredagh aren't going too well at the minute. Castlewellan will be big favorites for the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on July 04, 2007, 09:39:17 AM
Aye good man lecale, talk yourselves down! You's have the junior champ won already  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 04, 2007, 09:51:15 AM
Quote
Bacon - It's right what you heard - Bredagh aren't going too well at the minute. Castlewellan will be big favorites for the championship.

I thought that it was your seconds team that playes in Antrim??

Is big Ally McAllister playing with you now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 04, 2007, 10:07:41 AM
You're right on both counts Johnnycool. Ali can still hurl a bit!
Did you get a run out last night yourself? If Martin Coulter is fit (I was told a couple of weeks ago he needed his other knee cleaned out) and plays in the IHC he can still play Senior later in the year. Isn't that right?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 04, 2007, 10:09:41 AM
yes we beat bright in bright and may i say they have a great set up , thier pitch is like a runway, too feckn long,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on July 04, 2007, 10:42:06 AM
Just looked at the Down website, the competition rules state 3 team playoffs for promotion and relegation in Div Three. This doesn't seem to have been updated since 2003 however.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 04, 2007, 10:54:44 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 04, 2007, 10:07:41 AM
Did you get a run out last night yourself?

I did indeed

[/quote] If Martin Coulter is fit (I was told a couple of weeks ago he needed his other knee cleaned out) and plays in the IHC he can still play Senior later in the year. Isn't that right?
[/quote]

He can play junior as well providing he doesn't feature for either the intermediates or seniors before the junior game but once he goes up a level he can't play for a team below that grade.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 04, 2007, 10:55:22 AM
What about fionnbharr murphy getting a run out for the hurlers?? I knwo he's got a bad hand at the minute but when he's healed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 04, 2007, 01:31:40 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on July 04, 2007, 10:55:22 AM
What about fionnbharr murphy getting a run out for the hurlers?? I knwo he's got a bad hand at the minute but when he's healed?

It better heal quick as their season could be over on saturday!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on July 04, 2007, 01:39:00 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on July 04, 2007, 09:39:17 AM
Aye good man lecale, talk yourselves down! You's have the junior champ won already  ;)

Junior Hurling Championship is nearly as close at the IHC.  Ballycran, Ballea, Bredagh, Clonduff and Castlewellan will all fancy their chances. I'd make Ballela favorites. They really should be in the Intermidate Championship and playing in Div 1 will do them good when they line out against Div 2 teams.
Title: IHC/JHC
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on July 04, 2007, 02:13:01 PM
Depends on how the likes of Ballycran chose where to play their young players - whether in intermediate or junior could decide if they win the junior championship. You would have to say that Ballea or Bredagh would be favourites, playing in Division 1 will be a big advantage to Ballea in terms of preparing them for the championship but Bredagh are flying in Division 2 so I'd make it 50:50 between them.

In the intermediate championship I'd say Liatriom are favourites given that they have avoided an Ards team in the 1st round always an advanatge, Ballycran and Portaferry along with Ballyglaget all likely to be hit be "defections" once the senior championship is played which will impact on their overall chances. Shamrocks have a big ask in the 1st round against the Crans although it will be tight and even if they win that Portaferry await them in the semi final couldn't have had a harder draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on July 04, 2007, 02:31:09 PM
Bacon if u'd have seen us this season i doubt u'd be of the opinion that we should be in the intermediate champ, im sure johnneycool wil testify we'r out of our depth. We'v only 15-17 players, no manager and have trained maybe twice in the last few months, hardly the basis on which to to build a champ winning team! Bredagh have probaby played 3 or 4 times the amount of matches we have, with last nites series probably our last before the 1st round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on July 04, 2007, 02:53:01 PM
Ballycran have pretty much settled on the IHC and JHC teams and they have been playing together for the past month. We haven't always been as organised and best laid plans can fall apart with injuries and suspendtions.

In any knock out the draw is very important.

JHC Draw
Castlewellanv   Bredagh - toss up
Ballycran   3rds  v   Warrenpoint - Ballycran to win
Clonduff   v   Ballela - Ballela to win
Portaferry3rds   v   Ballygalget 3rds- Portaferry to win

Semis
Castlewellan/Bredagh v Ballycran - toss up
Portaferry 3rds v Ballela - Ballela

So I can see Ballela getting to the final without too much bother and anything can happen on the day - ask Ballyvarley about last year. Realisticly I expect the winner to come from the other half of the draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 04, 2007, 09:09:06 PM
Div 3 Result

Bright 0-12 Bredagh 0-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 04, 2007, 10:54:38 PM
                                                                   1.
                                                         Mickey McVeigh
                                                           (Castlewellan)


             2.                                                   3.                                           4.
    John Clarke               Declan Rooney                     Kevin McGuigan
     (An Riocht)                                       (Burren)                             (Shamrocks)


             5.                                                    6.                                          7.
    Ronan Murtagh          Brendan Grant                        Martin Cole
     (Ballyholland)                              (Mayobridge)                          (Rostrevor)
       

                                           8.                                             9.
                                 Dan Gordon                           Jackie Lynch
                               (Loughinisland)                          (Drumgath)



             10.                                                 11.                                         12.
   James McGovern                                   Aidan Carr                              Ronan Sexton
           (Burren)                                     (Clonduff)                                (Mayobridge)


             13.                      14.                                         15.
   Daniel Hughes                                                    Packie Downey                       Benny Coulter
          (Saval)                                                               (Drumgath)                          (Mayobridge)



hard to get his right, but you know what i mean, this is the staring 15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 05, 2007, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on July 04, 2007, 02:53:01 PM
Ballycran have pretty much settled on the IHC and JHC teams and they have been playing together for the past month. We haven't always been as organised and best laid plans can fall apart with injuries and suspendtions.

In any knock out the draw is very important.

JHC Draw
Castlewellanv   Bredagh - toss up
Ballycran   3rds  v   Warrenpoint - Ballycran to win
Clonduff   v   Ballela - Ballela to win
Portaferry3rds   v   Ballygalget 3rds- Portaferry to win

Semis
Castlewellan/Bredagh v Ballycran - toss up
Portaferry 3rds v Ballela - Ballela

So I can see Ballela getting to the final without too much bother and anything can happen on the day - ask Ballyvarley about last year. Realisticly I expect the winner to come from the other half of the draw.

It's hard to argue with the Colonel's assessment of the JHC. Looks spot on to me. Interesting that Ballcran have sorted their squads out already. In recent years they haven't been so well organised and won nothing when either the IHC or the JHC was there for the taking if they had managed things better.
I'd be interested to see your take on the IHC Colonel Cool.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rois on July 05, 2007, 08:54:16 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 04, 2007, 09:09:06 PM
Div 3 Result

Bright 0-12 Bredagh 0-9

What happened there?? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 05, 2007, 09:39:30 AM
some result for bright , what??????? is that right???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on July 05, 2007, 11:01:23 AM
Quote from: Rois on July 05, 2007, 08:54:16 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 04, 2007, 09:09:06 PM
Div 3 Result

Bright 0-12 Bredagh 0-9

What happened there?? 

Obviously correct unless a heady rush of euphoria on another Bredagh win mean't SB posted the result wrong. This result isn't a surprise as Bright have shown they can up a few gears at their place (great setup there which you'd think would inspire both sides) - they did us earlier in the year on their training pitch and its good to see they can pick it up for not only local derby rivalries. Even so Bredagh should've had too much for them, especially the run they've been on. Was Enda G playing or burn't out from the 2-13 blast last week?

This damn league just gets tighter and hence no predictions at all from me for tonights set - including our own journey to Holywood..   The way its going, can we get Setanta signed up to cover the last round of matches which will probably have 6 or 7 teams still going for playoff places?  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 05, 2007, 11:02:23 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 05, 2007, 08:51:21 AM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on July 04, 2007, 02:53:01 PM
Ballycran have pretty much settled on the IHC and JHC teams and they have been playing together for the past month. We haven't always been as organised and best laid plans can fall apart with injuries and suspendtions.

In any knock out the draw is very important.

JHC Draw
Castlewellanv   Bredagh - toss up
Ballycran   3rds  v   Warrenpoint - Ballycran to win
Clonduff   v   Ballela - Ballela to win
Portaferry3rds   v   Ballygalget 3rds- Portaferry to win

Semis
Castlewellan/Bredagh v Ballycran - toss up
Portaferry 3rds v Ballela - Ballela

So I can see Ballela getting to the final without too much bother and anything can happen on the day - ask Ballyvarley about last year. Realisticly I expect the winner to come from the other half of the draw.

It's hard to argue with the Colonel's assessment of the JHC. Looks spot on to me. Interesting that Ballcran have sorted their squads out already. In recent years they haven't been so well organised and won nothing when either the IHC or the JHC was there for the taking if they had managed things better.
I'd be interested to see your take on the IHC Colonel Cool.

If the first round of the intermediates are run off before the juniors then with all the players the Ports used up in last years senior campaign they'll be really stretched to field a junior team. We're not so desperate and should be able to put out a reasonable team and I'd expect us to win through that round. Ballela will be too strong no matter who ever comes out of the first round tie
Castlewellan seem to be hitting a bit of form at the right time but Bredagh should have enough for them. The crans will dispose of Warrenpoint although I have been impressed with a few of the younger Warrenpoint lads who've featured for Down at underage.
The Crans may put out a skeleton intermediate team if they feel better placed to win the juniors which may give them the edge over Bredagh, but who knows with those crafty crans. Bredagh may come through irrespective as big Ali McAllister will add some fire power and he isn't exactly in his forties just yet. Injuries will be Bredaghs main concerns.
Ballela havne't had a good Div1 campaign but there is a fair jump in standards between the two leagues and my money is still on them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Balboa on July 05, 2007, 11:16:54 AM
Johhneycool......Ali isnt a kick in the arse off 40, 39 i think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 05, 2007, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: Balboa on July 05, 2007, 11:16:54 AM
Johhneycool......Ali isnt a kick in the arse off 40, 39 i think.

Thats still quite young compared to a lot of his team mates  8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Guillem2 on July 05, 2007, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 05, 2007, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: Balboa on July 05, 2007, 11:16:54 AM
Johhneycool......Ali isnt a kick in the arse off 40, 39 i think.

Thats still quite young compared to a lot of his team mates  8)

Rory Galwy, Jim Sheridan, The Hogg, Seamus McKillop, Ceny  - Ali is a mear pup on that team!!

(http://www.bredaghgac.com/images/newseniorhurling05.jpg3)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale3 on July 05, 2007, 02:04:39 PM
Bredagh 0-09 Bright 0-12

The problem wasn't Enda being burnt out - his namesake Jody was training Antrim - most influential player on the team. Bredagh lost most of their games when he was suspended for the red card a few weeks back. He never gives the ball away and is the best athlete in the team - if not in Div 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 05, 2007, 05:42:31 PM
ACFL Division 3 Table

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           15            22
Bredagh          16            21
Saul                15            19
Bosco             15            18
--------------------------------------------
Dundrum         15            17
Drumgath        15            17
Teconnaught   15            16
Ardglass           15            15
------------------------------------------
Glenn              15            12
Mitchels           15            11
Bright              16             8
St Pauls           15             6

Next set of Fixtures:
Ardglass v Drumgath
Dundrum v Mitchels
Teconnaught v Tullylish
St. Pauls v Saul
Glenn v Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 05, 2007, 08:00:58 PM
Next set of Fixtures:


Ardglass v Drumgath
Dundrum v Mitchels
Teconnaught v Tullylish
St. Pauls v Saul
Glenn v Bosco



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 05, 2007, 08:23:42 PM
Saul Paidraig is right.  Bright deservedly bt Bredagh last night.  Have to say their pitch and clubroom set up is an envy. esp to homeless Bradagh.
Gormley (E) that is did play but was marked out of the game and Bredagh did not seem to have a plan B.  Although I have to agree with Lecale (whatever number he is) about Gormley (J) being our most effective player we can have till no complaints, Bright were worthy winners.  Their place kicker would put many to shame, he was super to watch.

Anyway, lets get tonights Div 3 fixtures on this board quick!   I gagging to know how Drumgath will fare away to Ardglass without their county stars (Ardglass won this fixture at Barnmeen).  Also, St Pauls could pull off a shock v Saul as might Teconnaght at home to Tullylish and Glenn at home to Bosco is difficult to predict.  Wow, what an interesting Div 3 we have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 05, 2007, 09:26:15 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Dundrum 4-10  Mitchels 2-07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 05, 2007, 09:28:08 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 05, 2007, 09:26:15 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Dundrum 4-10  Mitchels 2-07
No shock there then, you mob have to play the bottom 5 teams, is that right DF?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on July 05, 2007, 09:34:42 PM
ACFL DIV3

ARDGLASS  0-6  DRUMGATH  2-4

Match abandoned by referee after 48 minutes. Referee stated he had warned the team captains that he was receiving too much verbal abuse and blew up the game with 12 minutes to go after one of the ardglass players said something to him. This was neither a dirty or tempestuous game [only 2 yellow cards had been brandished] & no player had been cautioned for any sort of verbal abuse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 05, 2007, 09:43:58 PM
Bryansford 0-07 1-11 Longstone

Bryansford had 2 men sent off in the last ten minutes in a poor enough game which the stone dominated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 05, 2007, 09:47:40 PM
Square Ball, our remaining home games are against St Pauls, Glenn and Ardglass while we still have to travel to Teconnaught, Bright and Ardglass.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 05, 2007, 09:53:53 PM
DownFanatic,
Thats Dundrum in the playoffs anyway.  Did McComiskey play tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 05, 2007, 10:15:18 PM
In the Onion Bag, you are getting a bit carried away there. No team is guaranteed a playoff spot at this stage of the season and it is ridiculous to even suggest this. You have to take it one game at a time. Things in Division 3 can change very quickly. Just look at Bright beating Bredagh last night. As for McComiskey, no he wasnt playing for us tonight as it was a starred game.
By the way Neil Cousins of An Riocht refereed our game tonight and I have to say he done an excellent job. Common sense can go a long way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 05, 2007, 10:23:20 PM
Harps drew 1.09 to 0.12 with Warrenpoint. We were disappointing, kicked around 8 wides in a row when 2 points up. Ref sent off one of their men for a second yellow with less than 10 to go, then proceeded to do what he could do bring them into the game. 2 frees for nothing saw them draw level. Very disappointed. Point scored 7 from frees, we got 2 kickable frees the whole night. Tell's its own story.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on July 05, 2007, 10:40:31 PM
Kilclief 1-9 Annaclone 1-9

Saval beat Ballymartin by 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 05, 2007, 11:03:30 PM
bosco 0-13 glenn 0-11

a brusing encounter at glenn , bosco comfortable in 1st half but had a man sent off in second half , glenn piled on the presure , bosco defended well and kept noses in front, glenn had last kick of the ball penalty , which never was of course, brilliant save from bosco keeper, for 2 point win, thank god july break is here now , all teams can re-group.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on July 06, 2007, 05:53:44 AM
ACL Div 3: St Pauls 2-5 Saul 3-7

Not a pretty game to watch for the purist but Saul got there in the end thanks mainly to 2 goals in the 2nd half worked at  speed from deep. St Pauls had us in bother by half-time when they led 2-2 to 1-1 with 2 goals in the space of 2 mins just before the whistle and they continued to cause us diffs in the backline right to end. Relieved to have come away with the points in this one tbh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on July 06, 2007, 09:17:51 AM
Tullylish Hammered Teconnaught, (3:10 to 0:07 i think).

From a St Pauls point of view 12 points is looking the likely threshold for a relegation playoff place. I've no idea where the extra six points are coming from. Last night was a shocker, if i'm ever in front of a firing squad i'll ask for it to be manned by St Pauls forwards.

SP was very impressed by your No 8, very tidy footballer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on July 06, 2007, 09:34:32 AM
Jesus Passedit that was pure wildlooking last night, conditions and all aside that was one of the poorest games of football I've seen in a long time.

St Pauls have gone back considerably from earlier rounds, I was suprised that I only heard you roaring 3 or 4 times, given what was going on around you.

I'm away off to start a wee campagin to the committee to field our U-10s in all remaining fixtures
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on July 06, 2007, 10:14:51 AM
downpatrick 1:14 clann na banna 2:8

one of the worst displays of refereeing i have ever seen. clann na banna were never going to be allowed to win this match. typical performance from an east down referee. it was a good game of football considering the conditions, we did all we could, worked tirelessly but were only awarded one free kick inside 30 yards the whole night. shocking. need to get a few wins now, heading for trouble fast.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 06, 2007, 10:22:42 AM
Mayobridge 1-11 Burren 1-11
Some decent football played by both sides in this game last night despite the conditions.  Burren shaded the first half the Bridge took the second half.  Burren's keeper Cathal Murdock pulled of two brillant saves to keep Burren in the game in the second half  I was very impressed with him, his kick outs were excellent through out the game.  There were a lot of positives for us and the competition for places is unreal now with 5 county players to come back in its the sort of nightmare every manager wants.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on July 06, 2007, 12:01:19 PM
Quotetypical performance from an east down referee.

  Do you mean he was biased towards the East Down team? 

  If so, you wanna try playing in a Kilclief jersey in South Down.  I don't know if it's a South Down superiority complex or we are paying for our reputation of 30 years ago but it's beyond a joke at this stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 06, 2007, 12:20:43 PM
all referees are crap , all on a power rush
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 06, 2007, 01:52:18 PM
Quote from: boscomo on July 06, 2007, 12:20:43 PM
all referees are crap , all on a power rush

Would have to agree with dow fanatic in saying yer man from an riocht did a fine job in our game as did Burke from Bright in the game against Bredagh the week previous. However there is some truth in the statement that some see their whistle as a tool of power. Who was the ref in the drumgath ardglass game by the way? I believe that is three games that have been called short in division 3 this year. Surely the clubs have to take a greater responsibility in controlling their players and indeed in some cases mentors
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on July 06, 2007, 02:22:09 PM
can see where you are coming from No1, maybe you feel the same about coming to south down. but some of the decisions last night were shocking. our forwards were fouled on a number of occasions but were only ever given frees if they werent in scoreable positions, i.e. 40 yards out on the sideline. the opposition on the other hand were given frres much much handier which karl oakes was able to slot over for fun (fair play to him, very accurate from frees).

i would rarely criticise a referee as i appreciate the difficulty of their job, especially in last nights conditions. i, like most others, dont mind a referee who is just genuinely poor but its the blatant bias which gets to people. we did our best not to question his decisions but it was hard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 06, 2007, 02:25:41 PM
Similar to our game then Behind the Wire. On a rough countback, i'd say Gary Boyle had 13 attempts at points from dead balls, scoring 7 or 8. The whole night, we had 2 kickable frees. And we dominated midfield for well over half the match. That just doesn't add up.

Throw into the equation that a nearly identical defence conceded only 3 frees inside 45 metres the week before against a more dangerous Saval attack, and it's not difficult to pinpoint where the problem lies.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on July 06, 2007, 03:07:37 PM
Dundrumite, the referee in the Ardglass v Drumgath game was from Saul, but i dont know his name. His abandonment of the game was a farce. Both teams,their management, and supporters, couldnt believe it. He didnt even caution one player for dissent before abandoning the match & his reason for doing so,..... "i was taking too much stick".  Surely the way to deal with that would be to caution players......not abandon the game !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 06, 2007, 03:55:08 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 05, 2007, 10:15:18 PM

By the way Neil Cousins of An Riocht refereed our game tonight and I have to say he done an excellent job. Common sense can go a long way.

I think that hits the nail on the head, too many refs don't apply common sense to the game.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 06, 2007, 06:13:37 PM
have to agree refs do get a lot of shit from the sidelines from both sides of subs and supporters and in genneral most of them do try and use common sense when officiating games, if i was a ref i would have done an eric cantona years ago, i know the county board are doing all in their power to recruit younger, fitter refs and educate them on the rules and regulations of the game. does an ex player make a better ref?????? would he see the game as he played it i know i would.true there are some BETTER REFS  out there and sure some are poor but they all have the balls to do their job in the middle of 30 blood hungry gaa players and god knows how many physco onlookers. Up Down
boys check out  www.retrogaa.com (http://www.retrogaa.com)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 06, 2007, 06:29:58 PM
ACFL Division 3 Table

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           16            24
Bredagh          16            21
Saul                16            21
Bosco             16            20
--------------------------------------------
Dundrum         16            19
Drumgath        15            17
Teconnaught   16            16
Ardglass           15            15
------------------------------------------
Glenn              16            12
Mitchels           16            11
Bright              16             8
St Pauls           16             6



Outstanding Fixture:

Ardglass v Drumgath


Next Set of Fixtures:

Glenn v St Pauls
Teconnaught v Dundrum
Ardglass v Bright
Saul v Bosco
Mitchels v Tullylish
Bredagh v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on July 07, 2007, 10:40:00 PM
After the display i witnessed in Newry tonight,i think the time has come to do away with this bullshit of starred games.This starring business from what i see only prevents our top players playing competitive football on a regular basis @ club level & this was very evident tonight with players of inter-county standard not being able to make a simple pass or take a score from play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 08, 2007, 01:51:36 AM
Strong point Rambler. 
In Tyrone Co Players don't seem to suffer from playing in Tyrone leagues even when close to Co matches.  Is there a lesson here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on July 08, 2007, 10:05:55 AM
Any chance someone could post the results up from last week and the league standings?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 08, 2007, 12:48:24 PM
dont have the league

Down GAA Results



ACPRFL

Div One

Longstone 0.11 An Riocht 1.12

Liatroim 1.18 Bryansford 3.3

Burren 1.11 Warrenpoint 1.1

Mayobridge 0.11 Rostrevor 0.11

Clonduff 0.10 Kilcoo 0.8

Div Two

Saul 2.6 Tullylish 2.12

Castlewellan w/o Kilclief d/f

Saval 2.9 Carryduff 3.4

Div Three

Bredagh 1.16 Glenn 0.8

Div One

An Riocht 0.10 Rostrevor 1.9

Castlewellan 0.11 Clonduff 2.9

Bryansford 0.7 Longstone 1.11

Loughinisland 1.4 Kilcoo 2.13

Mayobridge 1.11 Burren 1.11

Liatroim 2.12 Atticall 0.5

Div Two

Shamrocks v Carryduff

Ballyholland 1.9 Warrenpoint 0.12

Downpatrick 1.14 Clann Na Banna 2.8

Glasdrumman 1.11 Darragh Cross 0.10

Kilclief 1.9 Annaclone 1.9

Ballymartin 0.9 Saval 0.11

Div Three

Ardglass v Drumgath

Dundrum 4.10 Mitchels 2.7

Teconnaught 0.7 Tullylish 3.11

St. Pauls 2.5 Saul 3.7

Glenn 0.11 Bosco 0.13

Bright 0.11 Bredagh 0.8

Div Four

Ballykinlar 0.2 Aghaderg 3.11

Dromara 0.8 St. Johns 3.10

St. Michaels 7.20 Aughlisnafin 0.3




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 08, 2007, 08:19:30 PM
agree with mournerambler 100%. Bryansford have had to play their last 2 games without the 2 panelists - S Toner and A Carville while Ambrose Rogers played for Longstone on Thursday night.
Toner and Carville had never a snowballs chance in hell of playing for Down in the Championship at any stage yet they were starved of games all season.
How did Ambrose get playing so close to Saturday night - match practice perhaps! Surely this contradicts the whole issue here.

Tyrone and Derry are mid way through their Championships - we dont start for 6 weeks - we are out, they are still in - It will be finished in Down on a cold, wet and near dark Newry in mid October - and Mayobridge will win again!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 09, 2007, 11:42:22 AM
scrap the starred game system, and therefore scrap the play offs.

scrap the 10-14 day ruling on county players not playing club games before championshop matches- its not worth it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 09, 2007, 11:57:37 AM
Spirit, you are probably right about Ambrose being allowed to play so that he can get metch practice.  But the fact the 2 Bryansford men who were probably not going to feature in the county game were not allowed to play shows how contradictory the system is.  The CB should review the starred system, if its OK for Tyrone players to be playing club games close to a County game, then it should be OK for Down to do the same. It doesnt seem to be doing Tyrone any harm - it could even make the players a bit sharper for the upcoming County game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 09, 2007, 09:58:45 PM
For anybody thats interested, Dromara beat Saul in the first Quarter Final of the Ballykinlar GAC Connolly Cup Tournament tonight. Suprising enough result. Saul had a good few Seniors playing but Dromara showed well. A highlight of the game was seeing 55 year old Dromara manager Duck Bell doing goals.
Tomorrow night Teconnaught play Bright while on Wednesday Dundrum play Ballykinlar and on Thursday Ardglass play St Johns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 11, 2007, 10:57:06 PM
Bright beat Teconnaught last night in the second Quarter Final of the Connolly Cup. Tonight, we beat our local rivals Ballykinlar 2-12 to 0-11. Tomorrow night is the last Quarter Final between Ardglass v St Johns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 12, 2007, 11:42:03 AM
DF, Bredagh were in that last year, wonder if we were invited this year? also our underage team were reigning champions at the 7 aside,

its a very good quality competition, did Ardglass win that a few times in a row?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 12, 2007, 12:47:03 PM
SB, yeah its a well run competition. Bredagh arent in it this year. The 7-a-side U-14 competition you are talking about is the Damien McCashin Shield. The four teams that progress to the Semi Finals of the Connolly Cup get their U-14's to the Semis. The U-14's play before the Senior game.
We won the Connolly Cup in 2002 but every year since Ardglass have won it. The local Lecale clubs take it very seriously and it keeps things competitive for the fortnight off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 12, 2007, 08:05:35 PM
guys lets have your predictions for the  junior , intermediate and senior championships this year.

regards
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 12, 2007, 08:12:48 PM
Senior      Kilcoo, would love to see them win it

Inter        No idea really, but Downpatrick at a shout

Junior       Bosco, pressure is on Boscomo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 12, 2007, 10:26:42 PM
Ardglass beat St Johns 2-08 to 0-06 in the last Quarter Final of the Connolly Cup tonight.

The Semi Final lineup is as follows:

Monday 16th July: Dromara v Bright
Tuesday 17th July: Dundrum v Ardglass


As regards the Championship, predictions are coming ever nearer. Just going on a couple of hunches but here is what I think at the moment (subject to change):

SFC: Mayobridge again, Burren to be the main challengers

IFC: Saval wont have the hunger, Ballyholland too unpredictable, Downpatrick too erratic. Im gonna plump for Kilclief

JFC: Bosco will be the favourites and will reach the Final. However, Division 4 teams have a far superior record in this grade and im gonna go for Drumaness to win it with Bright with a full team to suprise a few.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on July 13, 2007, 08:04:07 AM
Senior                   Mayobridge

Intermediate          Ballymartin

Junior                    Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 13, 2007, 09:57:25 AM
Senior --- would like to see some1 other than the bridge win but would also like to see a club get a good run in ulster ( in all 3 grades) so think the Bridge would be favs but have a soft spot for Burren.. MAYOBRIDGE

Intermediate----- Saval jump out as they seem to be the form team but you couldnt rule out Ballyholland they are on a good run and Downpatrick have a good pedigree....SAVAL

Junior ---- We will be giving the championship a good push but our main aim is Promotion but we will be going out to win every game. Newry Mitchels if they can get some form can do damage and Drumaness seem gto be running away with the 4th Div so i will opt for ........DRUMANESS



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 13, 2007, 01:38:45 PM
Senior: think this could finally be the year for Kilcoo, though they continue to fail to deliver when it matters, but im goina stick my neck out and say them, be a hella of a party if they win. Also watch out for Longstone, Dawson has them gearing to peak at the right time when it matters.

Intermediate. think its between Saval and Ballyholland, like kilcoo saval always seem to come up short when it comes championship time, but they are without doubt the strongest team in this grade, them and Ballyholland would be a hum dinger of a final.Saval to win it

Junior. Between drumaness and Bosco, again would be a great final, im goina say Bosco, simply because Drumaness have of experience of tight games this year,whilst nearly every game in 3 is tight, sorry to put a bit of pressure on boscomo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 13, 2007, 02:17:35 PM
no presure on me lads ,will leave that to the boys on the pitch but it gives for an interesting 3 championships and i am sure i will be in the bookies for a wee bet on a treble.
www.newryboscogfc.com (http://www.newryboscogfc.com)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 13, 2007, 05:03:51 PM
Come on Boscomo ya big woss, you cant ask for others opinion and got give one yourself!! you lot must fancy a good rattle at it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 13, 2007, 09:00:29 PM
square i didnt say we couldnt win it but said we have another priority and we will be going out to win all games we play to put it another way £50.00 on a Mayobridge, Saval , Bosco treble.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on July 14, 2007, 02:30:13 AM
if liatroim have 1 good game in them this year it will be the first round of the championship and with doyle back its possible!!

please god dont let the magpies win it!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 15, 2007, 09:46:31 AM
guys what if any chance do Monaghan have today? would like to see them winning but it will be hard for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JellyLegs15 on July 15, 2007, 10:56:14 AM
hello bosco mo, up very early aren't we...firstly, i feel monaghan have little hope unless tyrone play very badly, which i hope happens of course!! Sencondly, i wud like to ask you to stop putting the scud on us by discussin us on this board!! Dont let them know wer the best footballers in the 3rd div!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 15, 2007, 06:56:10 PM
jellylegs if i may call u that ????????? get yourself to training and never mind givivng off, Didnt get watching the match well i saw the 1st half and then took the kids out bowling, didnt know what was bigger , the bowling lane or Simon T.
WE ARE TOO GOOD A TEAM FOR ANYONE TO PUT THE SCUD ON US.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 16, 2007, 05:06:11 PM
Is there much training going on around the Down clubs during the July break?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on July 16, 2007, 05:47:13 PM
is there going to be any outstanding games played on friday evening??  i take it that a full round of fixtures will take place on sunday.  as for training over the july fortnight, the bridge have been training as normal.  somes clubs have taken up the rugby!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on July 16, 2007, 07:46:45 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on July 16, 2007, 05:47:13 PM
is there going to be any outstanding games played on friday evening??  i take it that a full round of fixtures will take place on sunday.  as for training over the july fortnight, the bridge have been training as normal.  somes clubs have taken up the rugby!!

I've heard that there is a round of fixtures on Monday evening.  Don't know if its definite though.
Title: Monday's Fixtures
Post by: stpauls on July 16, 2007, 09:08:24 PM
as far as i know, there is a full round of fixtures on monday evening, with games 4 over a fortnight from then. then the first round of the championship on the second weekend of August, from thurs 8th to tues 14th!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 16, 2007, 10:20:28 PM
we play saul monday evening and mitchels the friday evening.
we have been training as usual over the july fortnight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downgael on July 17, 2007, 09:37:15 AM
Fixtures for Monday night

Div 1
Loughinisland v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Castlewellan
Liatroim v Rostrevor
Clonduff v Longstone
An Riocht v Atticall
Kilcoo v Burren

Div 2
Downpatrick v Ballyholland
Saval v Shamrocks
Warrenpoint v Clann Na Banna
Kilclief v Glasdrumman
Carryduff v Ballymartin
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

Div 3
Teconnaught v Dundrum
Bredagh v Drumgath
Mitchels v Tullylish
Glenn v St Pauls
Ardglass v Bright
Saul v Bosco

Div 4
St. Johns v St. Michaels
Aughlisnafin v Drumaness
Aghaderg v Dromara
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on July 17, 2007, 02:48:04 PM
In the championships are refs allowed to do teams they used to play for or were previously members?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 17, 2007, 02:49:11 PM
Quote from: Bacon on July 17, 2007, 02:48:04 PM
In the championships are refs allowed to do teams they used to play for or were previously members?

Only in the bookies ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on July 17, 2007, 03:10:01 PM
 :D :D

But seriously?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 17, 2007, 04:31:49 PM
Bright adavanced to the Connolly Cup Final last night after they beat Dromara 2-09 to 0-06. Tonight Ardglass play Dundrum with the winner meeting Bright on Friday night.
In the Damien McCashin Shield Bright also beat Dromara.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 17, 2007, 07:02:24 PM
barry andrews played all his football for the bosco but moved away and referees for anoter club but he has refed us several times in the past but i couldnt see frank mcdonald being allowd to ref the bosco in the championship when he was our club ref.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 17, 2007, 10:06:32 PM
Ardglass beat Dundrum well tonight in the second Connolly Cup Semi Final. Ardglass were on top throughout and won it at a canter. Final score: Ardglass 1-15 Dundrum 1-05.
In the second Damien McCashin Shield Semi Final, St Josephs (Ballykinlar/Dundrum) destroyed Ardglass to set up a meeting with Bright in Friday's final.
Ardglass will now play Bright in the Connolly Cup Final on Friday evening at 8pm. Without a doubt they will cut the f**k outta each other big style.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: diesel-smuggler on July 17, 2007, 11:54:27 PM
can any of the ballyholland posters on here who was at the challenge game with carrickcruppen tonight give a brief report on the game, was unable to attend tonight! thanks!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 18, 2007, 10:35:33 AM
diesel what club u from? are u scouting on behalf of someone or are you a cruppin man?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: diesel-smuggler on July 18, 2007, 11:35:38 AM
golden years i am a cruppen man! i wasn;t able to attend the game last night and i just want to know what sort of game it was! we are behind alot in our league fixtures and have only played 1 game in the last 5 or 6 weeks!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 18, 2007, 12:38:59 PM
carrickcruppin were excellent throughout.

v impressed with support/build up play from the back. numbers 6 and 7 were v good. keenan excellent at 11. seamus kane hit some great frees, and in general forward line looked v sharp. great movement, helped along by the fact that our lads decided not to tackle at all! big string team, v big right up the middle, and looked very good.

if that represents the quality in top4 div 2 armagh, then its miles better than top4 div2 in down!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 18, 2007, 09:17:33 PM
cruppin seem to have improved over the past few years, good standard of football, and they seem to have a good mixture of younger guys like ferris and some older guys like loughran all playin well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: diesel-smuggler on July 18, 2007, 11:28:34 PM
5ivetimes yes mark and neil rooney have been transferred to cruppen from bosco!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 19, 2007, 10:08:52 AM
jellylegs did u read the posts about the the 2 rooneys???????????????? :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 19, 2007, 10:09:20 AM
they tried to move to other down clubs and were blocked by the bosco it seems. the only move they were given was to another county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: naka on July 19, 2007, 10:34:42 AM
the rooneys were told they would not be allowed to sign for another Down club, as they are living on the Millvale road the Bosco could not object to the transfer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JellyLegs15 on July 19, 2007, 11:35:07 AM
Aye had heard about that rumour to..wudn't b surprised if it is the truth although never heard nethin frm the club. he may play there for a while and den move back to a down club if he still has county aspirations, all the best to em!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 19, 2007, 01:51:39 PM
Are Aidan Carr and James McGovern for the States this week?  Big blows to both clubs if there is any truth to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on July 19, 2007, 05:04:09 PM
they sure are away to new york to play for the down club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Denver Mayobridge on July 19, 2007, 08:12:58 PM
Mark Rooney looks like Cyril Sneer from the Raccoons
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on July 20, 2007, 09:39:16 AM
Why did the Rooney's leave Bosco?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 20, 2007, 06:14:18 PM
i think the only people who can answear that is the 2 boys themselves and being their big uncle i personally wish them both every sucsess with Crupin. they both know that myself and the rest of the management in the bosco have our mind set on promotion and a run in the championship......... and i think cruppin will be a better team with the two boys in their team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 20, 2007, 06:23:19 PM
Boscomo, whats the story with Rory Mulvaney these days?  I studied with him all year in England and he was always having trouble with his hamstring and a few other niggly injuries.  Is he back playing again?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 20, 2007, 10:15:21 PM
southdown he is still out he is having problems with his back now and has been seeing a specialist about it and is waiting news back.but hopefully he will make a quick return and will be in contention for the championship thats if he gets his place back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 20, 2007, 10:26:13 PM
some good matches in div three on Monday:

Teconnaught 7 v Dundrum 5
Bredagh 2 v Drumgath 6
Mitchels 10 v Tullylish 1
Glenn 10 v St Pauls 12
Ardglass 8 v Bright 11
Saul 4v Bosco 3

the nubers are the league positions as at 07/07 and taken from the down gaa site, i know these are out of date but what the hell.

think that St Pauls are down if they dont win against Glenn, 6 of the top 7 play against one anothe with Tullylish within touching distance of securing a top four place with a win, this will go to the wire to secure a top four place. are there matches Monday, friday and monday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 21, 2007, 06:41:27 PM
Any Bryansford posters on here? Just wandering if we (Longstone) are still playing you in the 2nds tomorrow? Nobody seems to know. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 22, 2007, 02:56:12 PM
Ardglass won the Connolly Cup on Friday night after beating Bright 0-15 to 2-06. In the U-14 7-a-side Damien McCashin Shield Final St Josephs beat Bright 3-02 to 2-01.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 22, 2007, 03:04:35 PM
Just before it all kicks off again, here is the Division 3 table. The next couple of weeks are going to be very exciting.


ACFL Division 3 Table

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           16            24
Bredagh          16            21
Saul                16            21
Bosco             16            20
--------------------------------------------
Dundrum         16            19
Drumgath        15            17
Teconnaught   16            16
Ardglass           15            15
------------------------------------------
Glenn              16            12
Mitchels           16            11
Bright              16             8
St Pauls           16             6

Outstanding Fixture:

Ardglass v Drumgath


Next Set of Fixtures:

Glenn v St Pauls - St Pauls desparately need to win this one but Glenn will probably squeeze it.
Teconnaught v Dundrum
Ardglass v Bright - A repeat of the Connolly Cup Final. Ardglass are starting to come good and they should pick up the two points.
Saul v Bosco - Bosco are the form team in the Division at the moment but Saul are the more experienced. Could be a tight game but the homeside should shade it.
Mitchels v Tullylish - Tullylish should win and guarantee themselves a playoff spot.
Bredagh v Drumgath - Game of the night, Drumgath have their county contingent back but it is their first time playing in Cherryvale in recent years. Bredagh to just about clinch it.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 23, 2007, 10:11:45 AM
Down GAA Fixtures



Monday 23 July 7.30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear

Div 1

Loughinisland v Mayobridge

Bryansford v Castlewellan

Liatroim v Rostrevor

Clonduff v Longstone

An Riocht v Atticall

Kilcoo v Burren

Div 2

Downpatrick v Ballyholland

Saval v Shamrocks

Warrenpoint v Clann Na Banna

Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Carryduff v Ballymartin

Darragh Cross v Annaclone

Div 3

Teconnaught v Dundrum

Bredagh v Drumgath

Mitchels v Tullylish

Glenn v St Pauls

Ardglass v Bright

Saul v Bosco

Div 4

St. Johns v St. Michaels

Aughlisnafin v Drumaness

Aghaderg v Dromara



Thursday 26 July 7.30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear

Div 2 Shamrocks v Darragh Cross



Friday 27 July 7.30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear

Div 1

Loughinisland v Bryansford

Liatroim v Longstone

Burren v Clonduff

Atticall v Mayobridge

Castlewellan v An Riocht

Rostrevor v Kilcoo

Div 2

Glasdrumman v Downpatrick

Clann Na Banna v Saval

Annaclone v Warrenpoint

Ballymartin v Kilclief

Ballyholand v Carryduff

Div 3

Teconnaught v St. Pauls

Tullylish v Bredagh

Bosco v Mitchels

Bright v Glenn

Dundrum v Ardglass

Drumgath v Saul

Div 4

Dromara v Ballykinlar

St. Michaels v Aghaderg

Drumaness v St. Johns



Sunday 29 July

Democrat Intermediate Hurling Championship

2pm in Kilclief, Ballygalget v Ballyvarley L Quinn

5pm in Darragh Cross, Liatroim v Kilclief P Braniff

6.30pm in Darragh Cross, Shamrocks v Ballycran HP Mc Cusker



Sunday 29 July 2pm S17

PRFL 1

An Riocht v Bryansford

Longstone v Clonduff

Liatroim v Warrenpoint

Kilcoo v Rostrevor

Burren v Downpatrick

PRFL 2

Loughinisland v Saul

Annaclone v Castlewellan

Ballymartin v Kilclief

Tullylish v Saval



Monday 30 July 7.30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear

Div 1

Bryansford v Atticall

Loughinisland v Castlewellan

An Riocht v Mayobridge

Clonduff v Rostrevor

Burren v Longstone

Liatroim v Kilcoo

Div 2

Downpatrick v Ballymartin

Ballyholland v Glasdrumman

Carryduff v Kilclief

Warenpoint v Shamrocks

Annaclone v Clann Na Banna

Saval v Darragh Cross

Div 3

Teconnaught v Bright

Dundrum v St. Pauls

Ardglass v Glenn

Mitchels v Drumgath

Bosco v Tullylish

Bredagh v Saul

Div 4

St. Johns v Aughlisnafin

Aghaderg v Drumaness

Ballykinlar v St. Michaels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on July 23, 2007, 10:39:24 AM
Last night for the second home game in a row the ref failed to appear for our EDRFL game against neighbours Dundrum.  This just sums up what a joke this league is!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 23, 2007, 11:42:40 AM
i think capping county training sessions and scrapping the starred system is an excellent idea...

Club versus county issue debate 
GAA 
By Kenny Archer 

THE GAA is again addressing the issue of 'club versus county' with the aim of improving the lot of club players and reducing the demands of the inter-county scene.

Pauric Duffy, the Association's Player Welfare Manager, has put together a series of proposals relating to club fixtures, with suggestions including restricting the amount of training sessions that county panels could hold each season.

Monaghan man Duffy has also aired the idea that ensuring inter-county players are available to represent their clubs be enshrined in the GAA's rulebook. Certain counties, including Down, Monaghan, and Tyrone in Ulster, already operate a system of 'starred' games which sets out when clubs can and cannot use their county players.

Duffy made his presentation on the playing of club fixtures and a better deal for club players to the GAA's Central Council on Saturday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on July 23, 2007, 12:11:36 PM
Quote

Div 3

Teconnaught v St. Pauls

Tullylish v Bredagh

Bosco v Mitchels

Bright v Glenn

Dundrum v Ardglass

Drumgath v Saul


are the fixtures for Friday correct, as we have it as we are at home to Teconnaught!! taken from the Master Fixture list of course!!


St Pauls      v      Teconnaught
Tullylish      v      Bredagh
Bosco      v      Mitchels
Bright      v      Glenn
Dundrum      v      Ardglass
Drumgath      v      Saul
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 23, 2007, 12:16:16 PM
there are the set of fixtures sent to the clubs last week St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on July 23, 2007, 12:18:31 PM
Shite, cheers SB!!

edit: although that could actually be better for us, as it now leaves our final 2 games as home games, which may help in our quest to stay in division 3!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on July 23, 2007, 12:23:41 PM
are kilcoo only a league team that will never materialise into championship contenders!!?? admittidly theyre very hard to beat in th leagur but tend to bottle it come championship time??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 23, 2007, 12:32:44 PM
Sunday 29 July

Democrat Intermediate Hurling Championship

2pm in Kilclief, Ballygalget v Ballyvarley L Quinn

5pm in Darragh Cross, Liatroim v Kilclief P Braniff

6.30pm in Darragh Cross, Shamrocks v Ballycran HP Mc Cusker


Surely to god it would of made more sense for us and Ballyvarley to play in Darragh cross with Liatroim and Kilclief in Castlewellan or Downpatrick?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 23, 2007, 01:29:27 PM
Johnneycool when did sense ever play a part in venues?

did Bredagh win div 2 last night? the tables on the Down site have not been updated since 0707 so i have no idea what the craic is
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on July 23, 2007, 01:33:12 PM
The original fixtures had Ballygalget v Ballyvarley in Darragh Cross. No idea why it was changed.
I can't believe they've fixed the game at the same time as the hurling quater finals on television. There won't be many neutrals if the weather is any way poor -as it usually is in Kilclief.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 23, 2007, 05:33:42 PM
I'll take a crack at predicting tonights Division1 fixtures.

Div 1

Loughinisland v Mayobridge DRAW

Bryansford v Castlewellan CASTLEWELLAN

Liatroim v Rostrevor ROSTREVOR

Clonduff v Longstone LONGSTONE

An Riocht v Atticall ATTICAL

Kilcoo v Burren KILCOO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on July 23, 2007, 07:21:56 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 23, 2007, 01:29:27 PM
Johnneycool when did sense ever play a part in venues?

did Bredagh win div 2 last night? the tables on the Down site have not been updated since 0707 so i have no idea what the craic is

I think Bredagh need another win to seal it and make sure no one can catch them. They play Ballygalget next week in Cherryvale so they can win itat  home.  I hear they really struggled to overcome a Ballygalget 3rds made up of u16s, minors and verterns.  A bad time to lose form, coming into the championship. Did youse have any missing Square ball?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 23, 2007, 09:11:50 PM
Div 3

Bredagh 1-13 Drumgath 2-3
also tullylish win by 5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 23, 2007, 09:35:43 PM
Clonduff 1-06 0-11 Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 23, 2007, 09:38:06 PM
Quote from: Bacon on July 23, 2007, 07:21:56 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 23, 2007, 01:29:27 PM
Johnneycool when did sense ever play a part in venues?

did Bredagh win div 2 last night? the tables on the Down site have not been updated since 0707 so i have no idea what the craic is

I think Bredagh need another win to seal it and make sure no one can catch them. They play Ballygalget next week in Cherryvale so they can win itat  home.  I hear they really struggled to overcome a Ballygalget 3rds made up of u16s, minors and verterns.  A bad time to lose form, coming into the championship. Did youse have any missing Square ball?

Dont know the team as i was other wise engaged, was on the beer!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 23, 2007, 09:40:18 PM
dundrum beat teconnaught by 5. sorry down fanatic to steal your thunder   ;D scrappy game they lost their discipline getting 2 sent off meaning we were never under much pressure. who did tullylish beat squareball?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 23, 2007, 09:51:59 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Teconnaught 2-07  Dundrum 2-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 23, 2007, 09:54:31 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on July 23, 2007, 09:40:18 PM
dundrum beat teconnaught by 5. sorry down fanatic to steal your thunder   ;D scrappy game they lost their discipline getting 2 sent off meaning we were never under much pressure. who did tullylish beat squareball?

they were away to Mitchels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on July 23, 2007, 10:06:17 PM
any word on saul v bosco game and a possible league positions update?i think df mite b working this out as i am typing this,div 3 must be the most interesting league in the county this year i think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 23, 2007, 10:21:54 PM
Saul 3-9 Bosco 0-7, well this is what i have been told
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 23, 2007, 10:23:33 PM
Packie Downey got a straight red for Drumgath tonight so he must be out of their championship match. Jackie Lynch was also sent off for two yellows in a very poor Drumgath performance. They got two goals in the first ten minutes, but still looked a limited side. Having started the season as hot favourites for the division three title, they are now unlikely to make the play-offs.

Bredagh are going well, although they still rely too heavily on Enda Gormley. He must have got around ten points again tonight. Their next game, against Tullylish, is a big one.

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Post by: Square Ball on July 23, 2007, 10:27:25 PM
ACFL Division 3 Table, I think

                  Played     Points
Tullylish           17            26
Bredagh          17            23
Saul                17            23
Dundrum         17            21
--------------------------------------------
Bosco             17            20
Drumgath        16            17
Ardglass           16           17
Teconnaught   17            16
------------------------------------------
Glenn              17            14
Mitchels           17            11
Bright              17             8
St Pauls           17             6

Outstanding Fixture:

Ardglass v Drumgath
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Post by: dundrumite on July 23, 2007, 10:32:38 PM
sb did ardglass beat bright and did glenn beat st pauls?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 23, 2007, 10:36:06 PM
I believe these are the results

Teconnaught 2.7 Dundrum 2.12
Mitchels 1.8 Tullylish 1.13
Glenn 4.10 St Pauls 4.5
Ardglass 0.9 Bright 0.8
Saul 3.9 Bosco 0.7
Full report to follow

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Post by: DownFanatic on July 23, 2007, 10:41:46 PM
That table is 100% correct Square Ball

Div 3 Fixtures for Friday night

Teconnaught v St. Pauls

Tullylish v Bredagh

Bosco v Mitchels

Bright v Glenn

Dundrum v Ardglass

Drumgath v Saul
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Post by: cloneman on July 23, 2007, 10:44:25 PM
Darragh Cross 1-12 Annaclone 1-09

Another dreadful performance from Annaclone.

Banbridge beat the Point by 7 I think.
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Post by: DownFanatic on July 23, 2007, 10:48:06 PM
Bryansford by Castlewellan by a point.
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Post by: Square Ball on July 23, 2007, 10:50:00 PM
looks as if its any four from five at the minute, are Drumgath too far behind to make it into the shake up?  Tullylish look home and dry, as I have said previously this is going to the last set of matches
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Post by: DownFanatic on July 23, 2007, 10:56:09 PM
Carryduff 0-08  Ballymartin 0-10 in Division 2.

Square Ball, as you say there is a long way to go yet in Division 3. The team I wouldnt write off at the moment is Ardglass. One more defeat and Drumgath will be out of the picture. Tullylish are there already without a doubt.

PS - Just remember that Drumgath are likely to get the two points for their abandoned game with Ardglass.
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Post by: Square Ball on July 23, 2007, 11:02:38 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 23, 2007, 10:56:09 PM
Carryduff 0-08  Ballymartin 0-10 in Division 2.

Square Ball, as you say there is a long way to go yet in Division 3. The team I wouldnt write off at the moment is Ardglass. One more defeat and Drumgath will be out of the picture. Tullylish are there already without a doubt.

PS - Just remember that Drumgath are likely to get the two points for their abandoned game with Ardglass.

forgot about that, so any four from 6, think Ardglass may have too much to do.
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Post by: Square Ball on July 23, 2007, 11:05:10 PM
all the results from tonight, someone is on the ball and it aint me

Loughinisland 0.9 Mayobridge 3.12

Bryansford 2.6 Castlewellan 1.8

Liatroim 1.13 Rostrevor 1.10

Clonduff 1.6 Longstone 0.11

An Riocht 1.13 Atticall 1.10

Kilcoo 0.11 Burren 1.9

Div 2

Downpatrick 1.12 Ballyholland 1.5

Saval 1.9 Shamrocks 0.12

Warrenpoint 0.7 Clann Na Banna 1.11

Kilclief 1.16 Glasdrumman 0.5

Carryduff 0.8 Ballymartin 0.10

Darragh Cross 1.12 Annaclone 1.9

Div 3

Teconnaught 2.7 Dundrum 2.12

Bredagh 1.13 Drumgath 2.3

Mitchels 1.8 Tullylish 1.13

Glenn 4.10 St Pauls 4.5

Ardglass 0.9 Bright 0.8

Saul 3.9 Bosco 0.7

Div 4

St. Johns 1.9 St. Michaels 3.10

Aughlisnafin 0.2 Drumaness 7.19

Aghaderg 0.15 Dromara 1.8

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 23, 2007, 11:14:23 PM
Any reports from An Riocht v Attical?
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Post by: johnneycool on July 24, 2007, 08:16:49 AM
Colonel Cool,

Can you confirm or deny the rumour going round that the Ballycran seniors are managerless as of sunday night?

I heard it last night from a pretty reliable source but the horses mouth is always better.
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Post by: Colonel Cool on July 24, 2007, 08:20:40 AM
Everything is under control and Ballycran will be ready for the Juniors in the SHC.
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Post by: Lecale2 on July 24, 2007, 08:23:06 AM
Not exactly a denial Colonel. What did you hear JC?
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Post by: johnneycool on July 24, 2007, 08:44:35 AM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on July 24, 2007, 08:20:40 AM
Everything is under control and Ballycran will be ready for the Juniors in the SHC.

Allister Campbell would have nothing on those Crans.

Shit happens Colonel and sometimes it's the best thing to have a good fallout before the championship, galvanises the team so to speak.

Will any of the Alley men step in now?
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Post by: MadMick007 on July 24, 2007, 10:22:16 AM
Johnney your sources are correct. Lets see who steps up to the mark as the Alley man, men were quite vocal about the set up and some of the people in charge. Will they put their money where their mouth is?
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Post by: amallon on July 24, 2007, 11:12:34 AM
We had a good win over the Island last night.  We were leading 1-9 to 4 points and hald time and the game was effectivley over.  Dan Gordan was the only player to put in a decent performance for the Island the rest were fairly average.  We had big performances from Brendan Grant, Brendan Rodgers and the two Sextons. 

Laitroim turning over Rostrevor is a good result for them but the result of the night is Burren beating Kilcoo in Kilcoo.  Thats a massive ask for any club to go down there and take the points.  Fair dues to Burren, the Bridge haven't won down there in 6 or 7 years.

In division 2 thats a depressing looking defeat for Ballyholland whatever way you look at it. 

I can't belive how bad Drumgath are going in division 3, I thought they would have walked this divison at the start of the season.  Something isn't right with them this season. 
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Post by: kinghen on July 24, 2007, 11:21:18 AM
just like to point out that the burren victory over kilcoo was actually in burren! but still a great win for burren who had found themselves down at the wrong end of the table, maybe this will kick start their season, kilcoo are still a very tough side in the league no matter where they play!!
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Post by: Bacon on July 24, 2007, 11:33:48 AM
Clonduff camogs managed by John Crossey, won the senior championship for the first time on Sunday. They beat Portaferry in the final played in Castlewellan. Well done girls!!
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Post by: amallon on July 24, 2007, 12:08:58 PM
Well done to Kitty and the rest of the Clonduff camogs.

Kinghen - Its still a very good win for Burren but not the great win I had thought originally when I misread the fixtures.  Out of interest has anyone beaten Kilcoo at home this year?
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Post by: iwannatinkle on July 24, 2007, 12:31:34 PM
Quote from: amallon on July 24, 2007, 11:12:34 AM
I can't belive how bad Drumgath are going in division 3, I thought they would have walked this divison at the start of the season.  Something isn't right with them this season. 

Maybe its the fact that they believed they would walk away with the league, by far the most improved team in the division is Bredgh, Dundrum are looking good as well, but would they be able to cope with Division 2 football after nearly 20 years in the lower divisions, that is if they got promoted?  And if they don't get promoted will young McComiskey stick around a play Division 3 football again?  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 24, 2007, 02:17:21 PM
iwannatinkle - That could well be the problem.  Didn't they loose a manager at the start of the season or something as well?  Have they lost players from last year?
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Post by: TORGAEL on July 24, 2007, 02:47:56 PM
amallon, i'd say drumgath have suffered due to player retirements & other players not making themselves available due to work committments.........but mostly because of players being unavailable due to county committments and others being in the USA playing !
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Post by: amallon on July 24, 2007, 03:51:07 PM
To be without 10 players puts a big whole in any clubs squad, maybe they aren't doing as bad as one would expect under the circumstances.  Its surprising though that the players wouldn't stick with it and put in an effort to haul themselves out of the 3rd division.  What a difference a year makes!
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Post by: kumquat on July 24, 2007, 04:49:03 PM
watched the saul V bosco match. not a very good bosco side, no match for the saul midfield and the saul full forward line roasted bosco full backs. there was a period of about 18 minutes in the 2nd half where bosco pulled it back to 4 points but then saul scored a goal and eventually ran out comfortable winners. Again the referee was poor for both sides.
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Post by: boscomo on July 24, 2007, 08:54:47 PM
have to agree bosco had a weaken side and were forced to start severl injured players and the gamble didnt work , saul dominated the game in big spells and well desreved the vivtory. we will have regroup for the newry derby on friday night.
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Post by: Square Ball on July 24, 2007, 10:47:01 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 23, 2007, 10:56:09 PM
Carryduff 0-08  Ballymartin 0-10 in Division 2.

Square Ball, as you say there is a long way to go yet in Division 3. The team I wouldnt write off at the moment is Ardglass. One more defeat and Drumgath will be out of the picture. Tullylish are there already without a doubt.

PS - Just remember that Drumgath are likely to get the two points for their abandoned game with Ardglass.

who got the points for the Teconnaght v Dundrum game, was this abandoned as well?
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Post by: 6th sam on July 24, 2007, 11:51:33 PM
Quote from: kumquat on July 24, 2007, 04:49:03 PM
watched the saul V bosco match. not a very good bosco side, no match for the saul midfield and the saul full forward line roasted bosco full backs. there was a period of about 18 minutes in the 2nd half where bosco pulled it back to 4 points but then saul scored a goal and eventually ran out comfortable winners. Again the referee was poor for both sides.
I watched the saul/bosco game as well,and would mainly agree with your assessment Kumquat.
However,I think bosco  only played as well as they were let.Saul give little away at home.Bosco have a number of talented players but fitness and discipline still appear to be a problem for them.Thought ref was good overall,but his keenness to strictly enforce the  overcarrying rule for both sides,seemed to effect the fluidity of the game.
Saul's Adam King was the standout player on the night,while Donnie Ritchie was pacy and brave as always.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 25, 2007, 09:06:54 AM
Quote from: holylandsbomber on July 24, 2007, 03:27:51 PM
Drumgath's Demise in Div III

I was talking to a Drumgath man after last nights game and he blames the following on their bad form this season.

The poor performances in this team results in a number of factors ( So I'm Told )!!!!!

Bad Management: The Committee / Chairman
Last year Drumgath won the Intermediate Championship, after doing so they let Bill Geoghan go and recruited Harry Toner for the job.
Toner in turn walked out after 4 x Straight defeats, thus left the club in the lurch and they had no choice but to go with a former player as manager who does not have the experience nesecarry to manage but is doing the best he can with what players are availabe to him.
But then the committee have to be asked why get rid of a championship winning manager ( What modern day clubs do this ) ?? Even if some people thought Geoghan was not up to scratch you cannot hide from the fact that the championship was won under his term.

Players:

For the majority of this season Drumgath have been playing / fielding teams that numerically they are approx short 10 x Starting players from last years championship final team. The reasons are mixed, guys moved to Dublin to work / Other's to England / 2 x Prominent players to USA for the Summer piss up. 3 x players involved with the County Senior panel, retirement also. Also the "main" players off the team that have been left behind have been under performing by their standards.

These factors are why Drumgath ( A Team some people thought would walk Div III ) are in the position they are in and looking very unlikely to make any playoff's.

Did Harry Toner not walk away due to the fact that he was getting nobody turning up for training and on the night 4 players turned up he had enough - he was putting in the effort travelling from Newcastle and by getting no respnse from his panel he decided to walk - you cant blame him really!
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Post by: goldenyears on July 25, 2007, 09:54:26 AM
harps awful v downpatrick. 5-0 up after ten minutes.....1 score in the second half with just 3 wides....now need others to drop points and need to win all remaining games just to make play offs.
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Post by: DownFanatic on July 25, 2007, 03:51:20 PM
Square Ball, the Teconnaught v Dundrum game was 100% defintely not abandoned. Infact referee Alan Grant nearly played 3 minutes injury time. I dont know where u heard that from but it is wholly innacurate.
Teconnaught got two boys sent off. Barry Rogan got a straight red for headbutting while Henry Green got two yellows followed by a red.
PS - On the referee. A lot of people dont like Alan Grant's methods as an official but he did a very good job. He told the players at the start of the game that if they mouthed at him, he would black card them, then yellow if it happened again followed by red. For once a referee stuck by his pre-match directions and carried out what he preached. He lets the game flow and really only blows up for over the top cynical fouling.
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Post by: charlie stubbs on July 25, 2007, 03:56:41 PM
heard theres talk of the 2 drumgeth lads connolly and mccabe not coming home and that they have been offered jobs over there a close friend of theres was saying to me lastnight
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Post by: stpauls on July 25, 2007, 04:17:47 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 25, 2007, 03:51:20 PM
Square Ball, the Teconnaught v Dundrum game was 100% defintely not abandoned. Infact referee Alan Grant nearly played 3 minutes injury time. I dont know where u heard that from but it is wholly innacurate.
Teconnaught got two boys sent off. Barry Rogan got a straight red for headbutting while Henry Green got two yellows followed by a red.
PS - On the referee. A lot of people dont like Alan Grant's methods as an official but he did a very good job. He told the players at the start of the game that if they mouthed at him, he would black card them, then yellow if it happened again followed by red. For once a referee stuck by his pre-match directions and carried out what he preached. He lets the game flow and really only blows up for over the top cynical fouling.

DF,

maybe he meant the Saul Vs Teconnaught match, wasn't that game abandoned? Apparently, our game at home to Bredagh wasn't abandoned either, according to some people from Bredagh!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 25, 2007, 06:23:04 PM
Quote from: stpauls on July 25, 2007, 04:17:47 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 25, 2007, 03:51:20 PM
Square Ball, the Teconnaught v Dundrum game was 100% defintely not abandoned. Infact referee Alan Grant nearly played 3 minutes injury time. I dont know where u heard that from but it is wholly innacurate.
Teconnaught got two boys sent off. Barry Rogan got a straight red for headbutting while Henry Green got two yellows followed by a red.
PS - On the referee. A lot of people dont like Alan Grant's methods as an official but he did a very good job. He told the players at the start of the game that if they mouthed at him, he would black card them, then yellow if it happened again followed by red. For once a referee stuck by his pre-match directions and carried out what he preached. He lets the game flow and really only blows up for over the top cynical fouling.

DF,

maybe he meant the Saul Vs Teconnaught match, wasn't that game abandoned? Apparently, our game at home to Bredagh wasn't abandoned either, according to some people from Bredagh!

DF was there another game to be decided? St Pauls I forgot about our game, it was one of them that stay in the mind a long time!!!
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Post by: Lecale2 on July 26, 2007, 12:45:34 PM
Where is the Tullylish pitch?
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Post by: Cloc Mor on July 26, 2007, 12:56:50 PM
Go into Banbridge.  Take the road for Gillford.  Theres a roundabout about 3 miles out of Banbridge - keep left and u come into Laurencetown, 1 mile from here.  Take a right at the crossroads in the centre of the villlage.  Its about 500m on the left up this road.
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Post by: passedit on July 26, 2007, 12:58:46 PM
Lecale

Head outa Banbridge towards Portydown about two n 1/2 miles out you'll come to a roundabout, bear left following the signs for Gilford/Portydown, another 700 metres or so you'll come to a Texaco Garage on your right, pass this and at the bottom of the hill take a right. The pitch is 200 yards up that road (Drumnascamph Rd) on the left
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Post by: Lecale2 on July 26, 2007, 01:08:40 PM
Cheers!
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Post by: DownFanatic on July 26, 2007, 04:47:24 PM
Div 3 Fixtures for Friday night

Teconnaught v St. Pauls - Teconnaught to get it tough in this one. St Pauls will be fighting hard. However, the Annacloy men will prevail.

Tullylish v Bredagh - Depends how Enda Gormley is marked. Tullylish mightn't have the firepower to outshoot Bredagh with the former Derry ace on form and thats why Im plumping for a Bredagh win.

Bosco v Mitchels - Bosco need to get back on track after the Saul defeat. An exciting derby here with a high scoring draw the result.

Bright v Glenn - Bright need these two points big time and could shock Glenn who have an awful away record.

Dundrum v Ardglass

Drumgath v Saul - Drumgath are understrength at this moment and they are unlikely to put it up against a very mentally tough and skillful Saul side.
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Post by: boscomo on July 27, 2007, 10:00:49 AM
anoter important round of fixtures tonight in div 3 , we really need to beat local rivals Mitchels, hope Tullylish beat Bredagh and Saul happen to loose, that wil keep it fresh.
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Post by: boscomo on July 27, 2007, 10:03:47 AM
guys is there anyone going to the DOWN U14 development squad training in An Richot on Saturday morning at 10.00 am if so could you drop me  a wee buzz on here or e mail me at lhollywodd@aol.com
i am looking a lift as i am carless at the minute.
cheers
mo
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Post by: Whitehair on July 27, 2007, 01:18:26 PM
Weekend IHC Predictions

Ballygalget v Ballyvarley, Galgets by 10+
Liatroim v Kilclief, Liatroim by 8
Ballycran v Newry, Although we havent played Ballycran this season based on Newrys poor performance against us i would have to go for the Crans, which i think will be their 3rd consecutive year beating Shamrocks in the IHC. Should be a cracker!

Also does anybody know of any pubs around Darragh Cross which would show the All Ireland Hurling?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on July 27, 2007, 03:09:40 PM
St Paul's V Bredagh - "this game was definitely not abandoned" - Oey Gelston - Referee
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Post by: charlie stubbs on July 27, 2007, 03:20:51 PM
boscomo how is francie downey doing for yous this year.mind playing against him for the school and he was quite good,but then i seen him hobbling around on crutches has he regained his form or is he still injured
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Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on July 27, 2007, 04:00:06 PM
IHC
Whitehair, its one each in the IHC between Newry and the Crans. Shamrocks beat them in Darragh Cross two years ago while the Crans won last year - Shamrocks are missing a couple of lads due to holidays so you would fancy the Crans but you never know if big Kieran and Eoin hit form.
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Post by: boscomo on July 27, 2007, 05:23:57 PM
charlie we call him the bionic man, always hurt and in plaster or bandage, playing through the pain barrier at the minute along with 5/6 other senior players, but he is a hard man to put down unless you hit him with a hammer, could be arranged. will tell him you was asking for him.
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Post by: Square Ball on July 27, 2007, 06:10:21 PM
Boscomo

is that the east down one? has the list of players who should attend been released?

sorry cant offer a lift, live in Belfast and dont drive anyway
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Post by: TORGAEL on July 27, 2007, 09:12:14 PM
ACFL DIV3

DRUMGATH 0-7  SAUL 1-10

This was a close enough affair until 10 mins into the 2nd half when drumgath midfielder sheerin was sent off for dissent. Sadly he pushed the referee to the ground before leaving the field......i would presume a lengthy ban will be awarded accordingly. saul were never troubled after this.
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Post by: DownFanatic on July 27, 2007, 09:21:39 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Dundrum 3-15  Ardglass 1-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on July 27, 2007, 09:56:49 PM
ACFL Div3

Tullylish 4.10 Bredagh 1.10

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 27, 2007, 10:00:36 PM
acl div 3
bosco 0-9    1-5 mitchels

close hard thought match with mitchels leading throughout, 2nd half pen kick put mitchels 3 ahead but the bosco thought back hard to sneak it by a point, several yellow cards and the ref had to battle a lot of abuse throughout.

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Post by: DownFanatic on July 27, 2007, 10:06:38 PM
What happened Bredagh Whitehair? Was Enda Gormley not playing?
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Post by: DownFanatic on July 27, 2007, 10:11:25 PM
ACFL Division 3 Table (I'll just update it as results come in)

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           18            28
Saul                18            25
Bredagh          18            23
Dundrum         18            23
--------------------------------------------
Bosco              18            22
Teconnaught    18            18
Drumgath         17            17
Ardglass           17            17
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Glenn              18            16
Mitchels           18            11
Bright              18             8
St Pauls           18             6

Outstanding Fixture:

Ardglass v Drumgath (Pending Referees Report)
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Post by: Whitehair on July 27, 2007, 10:22:39 PM
Yeh he was full forward. I went out to watch it as my mate was marking him, 19yr old lad. Gormley scored a point from play and a few frees. Lad played really well on him, won 4 or 5 balls that came in first half, breaking them and doing things simple. The game started off even enough few points apiece then tullylish scored a penalty and then Peter Quinn who scored 1.2 from midfield from got a goal which was an effort for a point but hit the top corner. Halftime think it was 2.7 to 0.6, Bredagh had the wind at their backs too. 2nd half John Mc Areavey got a goal( he scored a few points too) and a fourth goal which was punched in really finished the game which was over at half time. Bredagh got a deflected consolation goal at the death.
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Post by: Square Ball on July 28, 2007, 12:12:23 AM
full results, well done to Tullylish who beat Bredagh

Div 1

Loughinisland 0.14 Bryansford 0.9

Longstone 0.8 Liatroim 0.15

Burren 1.10 Clonduff 0.13

Atticall 0.12 Mayobridge 3.12

Castlewellan 1.9 An Riocht 0.16

Kilcoo (Sat 4pm) Rostrevor

Div 2

Glasdrumman 3.12 Downpatrick 2.14

Clann Na Banna 1.8 Saval 1.10

Annaclone 2.12 Warrenpoint 0.7

Ballymartin 2.11 Kilclief 1.8

Ballyholand 1.16 Carryduff 0.11

Shamrocks 1.8 Darragh Cross 1.6

Div 3

Teconnaught 5.10 St. Pauls 0.7

Tullylish 4.10 Bredagh 1.10

Bosco 0.9 Mitchels 1.5

Bright 1.6 Glenn 3.4

Dundrum 3.15 Ardglass 1.12

Drumgath 0.8 Saul 1.8

Div 4

Dromara 1.15 Ballykinlar 0.8

St. Michaels (off) Aghaderg

Drumaness 0.12 St. Johns 1.4

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Post by: lfdown2 on July 28, 2007, 01:42:17 AM
fontenoys puttin a run together before the magpies!!

good win the night, any stone men at it?
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Post by: southdown on July 28, 2007, 01:21:14 PM
Yeah, was at it, easily Longstones worst preformance of the year.  But fair play to the Fontenoys, they never really let us play, were very big and physical, hard to play against.  Our men simply did not preform.  Laim Doyle oozed class, evrything he did was positive and made something happen.
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Post by: boscomo on July 29, 2007, 07:12:32 PM
boys whats the fixtures in div 3 tomorrow night i know we play tullylish in newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 29, 2007, 08:33:10 PM
Bredagh V Saul
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Post by: stpauls on July 29, 2007, 09:09:24 PM
Dundrum Vs St. Paul's, in Dundrum.
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Post by: Whitehair on July 29, 2007, 09:21:08 PM
IHC

Ballygalget 3.29 Ballyvarley 0.7
Liatroim 3.18 Kilclief 0.4
Ballycran 2.15 Newry Shamrocks 1.11

My scores might be a few points out in the top 2 matches.

In the Ballycran game, with Newry playing with a strong breeze Scott Nicholson scored a scrambled goal in the first minute for the ards men, Newry then tagged on a few points from midfield with Ciaran Courtney the main contributor, Kevin Fegan also scored two points from play. Ballycran gained a 21yard free mid-way through the 1st half in an incident similar to Waterfords contentious equalising decision in Croke earlier. James Coyle blasted it to the net, Conor Mc Carthy and Mick o prey also knocked over points to have Ballycran lead 2.4 to 0.9 at half time. On the restart Courtney landed a long free against the breeze but from there on it was mainly one way traffic with James Coyle knocking over a succession of points. Newry won a penalty midway through the 2nd half which Courtney blasted to the net which kept them in touch. James Coyle was ballycrans best player IMO finishing up with about 1.10. The game ran to script with Newry being too reliant on a few players while ballycran had a more even spread of talent and did a sound, if not cynical at times job of preventing Courtney and Mc Guinness get a run at goal. Semi finals should make for a few interesting games!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 30, 2007, 02:56:33 AM
Quote from: boscomo on July 29, 2007, 07:12:32 PM
boys whats the fixtures in div 3 tomorrow night i know we play tullylish in newry.


Tonights Div3 matches are the reverse of these R9 games (R9 results shown, venues reversed of course)

Bright (L) Teconnaght (W)
St Pauls 2.9 Dundrum 3.12
Glenn (W)  Ardglass (L)
Drumgath 1.11 Mitchels 1.12
Tullylish 0.15 Bosco 0.15
Saul 2.13 Bredagh 0.8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on July 30, 2007, 06:58:43 AM
Intermediate Hurling Championship

Ballygalget 4-26  0-07 Ballyvarley

Ballyvarley totally outclassed by an excellent Ballygalget IIs team. They had young lads capable of scoring from all over the field and with a solid defence had the game wrapped up well before half time. The crafty Galgets made sure they didn't use any subs to keep them for the juniors next week! Even when Spike Baillie went off injured they didn't replace him and he limped back on to score the 3rd goal.

Ballycran 2-15  1-11 Newry

A well deserved win for Ballycran who always looked in control. Whitehair is right about James Coyle - MOM. The game never really developed into the contest I was expecting and by half time the result wasn't in doubt. Courtney's a class act but Newry rely on him too much and they have too many lads well past their best. Somebody should tell McGuinness that points count in hurling.

I didn't see the Liatroim/Kilclief match - watching Cork/Waterford. Any reports?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 30, 2007, 08:19:36 AM
So it's Liatroim, Portaferry, Ballycran and ourselves in the semi's.

That means that Liatroim can start planning for a run in the Ulster intermediates irrespective of any other results.

In fairness to Ballyvarley yesterday, they are a junior team, so maybe the county board should of afforded them the same lattitude that they did Liatroim.

What has happened to Kilclief hurlers, No 001?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 30, 2007, 09:10:01 AM
IHC draw - Liatroim v Ballygalget and Portaferry v Ballycran. Two cracking matches in prospect. Are the IHC semi finals after the SHC semi finals? There could be an impact on who is available for the Ards clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 30, 2007, 09:23:42 AM
does anyone have the right div2 table positions as it stands currently? saw three diff versions in three local papers at end of last week!

is the down gaa website correct?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on July 30, 2007, 09:50:06 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 30, 2007, 09:10:01 AM
IHC draw - Liatroim v Ballygalget and Portaferry v Ballycran. Two cracking matches in prospect. Are the IHC semi finals after the SHC semi finals? There could be an impact on who is available for the Ards clubs.

IHC semi finals are fixed for Saturday 18th August and Senior semi finals for Sunday 9th September.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownHead on July 30, 2007, 01:41:28 PM
Predictions for tonights div 3 matches!!!

Bright    v Teconnaght  (Teconnaght win)
St Pauls v Dundrum      (Dundrum win)
Glenn    v Ardglass       (Ardglass win)
Drumgath v Mitchels    (Draw)
Tullylish v Bosco          (Tullylish win)
Saul v  Bredagh          (Draw)

Any thoughts??



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on July 30, 2007, 02:04:29 PM
Quote from: Bacon on July 30, 2007, 06:58:43 AM
Intermediate Hurling Championship

Ballygalget 4-26  0-07 Ballyvarley

Ballyvarley totally outclassed by an excellent Ballygalget IIs team. They had young lads capable of scoring from all over the field and with a solid defence had the game wrapped up well before half time. The crafty Galgets made sure they didn't use any subs to keep them for the juniors next week! Even when Spike Baillie went off injured they didn't replace him and he limped back on to score the 3rd goal.

Ballycran 2-15  1-11 Newry

A well deserved win for Ballycran who always looked in control. Whitehair is right about James Coyle - MOM. The game never really developed into the contest I was expecting and by half time the result wasn't in doubt. Courtney's a class act but Newry rely on him too much and they have too many lads well past their best. Somebody should tell McGuinness that points count in hurling.

I didn't see the Liatroim/Kilclief match - watching Cork/Waterford. Any reports?

Probably our worst performance all year - we got a brutal start with the goal when our full back took the head staggers and pulled on the ball 1st time letting it slip behind him and let Scotty in for a goal. We really missed the couple of lads on holiday as we have  asmall panel and ended up with a full forward line with the combined age of 116! That's probably the same as the whole of the Ballycran forward line. The two goals in the first half killed us and we struggled to play ctach up for the remainder of the game, to be honest we never really looked like threatening up front - we were very flat. A big issue is no games in the weeks coming up to championship, Ards clubs have the advantage of the Antrim league but we have played one game in the past month and that was about four weeks ago and it told as Ballycran were a lot sharper.
Agree that big Kieran is a class act but he will never develop to his full potential playing at that level with us but Eoin was disappointing and IMO has gone backwards this year, he never looked up for the game at all. Eoin is our main man up front and when he struggles the whole forward line does as he is vital to us in terms of winning primary possession. Biazarrely we played better against the wind than withit as we started to get to the pithc of the game but never looked like getting the scores to close the gap.
We can have no complaints beaten by the better team, we have a couple of new lads joining us next year who will be good additions and another couple of young lads coming through so I wouldn't write us off yet from winning an IHC in the next couple of years but we have  alot of work to do in speeding up our hurling.
The most surprising aspect was the lack of scores from play I'd say that we only scored about four points from play and Ballycran didn't score much above that. If the semi-finals are on before the Senior then fancy Ballgalget to beat Liatriom and the other game is a toss up although Crans might sneak that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kumquat on July 30, 2007, 02:44:10 PM
Bright    v Teconnaght  (Teconnaght)
St Pauls v Dundrum      (Dundrum)
Glenn    v Ardglass       (Ardglass)
Drumgath v Mitchels    (Drumgath)
Tullylish v Bosco          (Bosco)
Saul v  Bredagh          (Saul)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wally on July 30, 2007, 03:19:13 PM
Hi all, this is my first post . . .

My thoughts on the most exciting division in Down this year . . . . . . . . .

Bright    v Teconnaght - Teconnaght by a large score
Dundrum v St Pauls   - Dundrum by a bagful
Glenn    v Ardglass - Glenn to win
Drumgath v Mitchels - Drumgath to win if they are focused
Tullylish v Bosco - Tullylish to hammer Bosco and secure a play off position
Saul v  Bredagh - Saul to beat Bredagh

Question, hopefully someone can answer?  Is the Dundrum goalkeeper any relation to Eddie King who captained Down u21's in 1979?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 30, 2007, 05:42:26 PM

Friday 3 August 7.30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear

Div 1

Atticall v Castlewellan

An Riocht v Loughinisland

Mayobridge v Bryansford

Rostrevor v Longstone

Kilcoo v Clonduff

Liatroim v Burren

Div 2

Ballymartin v Ballyholland

Carryduff v Glasdrumman

Kilclief v Downpatrick

Shamrocks v Clann Na Banna

Darragh Cross v Warrenpoint

Saval v Anaclone

Div 3

Bright v Dudrum

Ardglass v St. Pauls

Glenn v Teconnaught

Drumgath v Tullylish

Saul v Mitchels

Bredagh v Bosco

Div 4

St. Michaels v Dromara

Drumaness v Ballykinlar

Aughlisnafin v Aghaderg



Saturday 4 August 6pm

Democrat Junior Hurling Championship

Ballycran: Portaferry v Ballygalget D Caughey



Sunday 5 August 2pm

Democrat Junior Hurling Championship

Kilclief: Castlewellan v Bredagh C Coulter

Downpatrick: Ballycran v Warrenpoint E Morgan



Sunday 5 August 2pm

Premier Reserve Football League

Div One

Mayobridge v Burren

Downpatrick v Kilcoo

Rostrevor v Liatroim

Warrenpoint v Longstone

Clonduff v An Riocht

Div Two

Saul v Saval

Loughinisland v Annaclone

Carryduff v Kilclief

Ballymartin v Tullylish



Tuesday 7 August 7.30pm

Democrat Junior Hurling Championship

Liatroim: Clonduff v Ballela K McGuinness




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 30, 2007, 09:03:34 PM
Saul beat Bredagh by 2 points in a very close game at Cherryvale tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 30, 2007, 09:21:31 PM
Tullylish win by 5

can anyone comfirm how many get into the play offs? is it top three or four?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on July 30, 2007, 09:22:06 PM
Annaclone drew with Clann na Banna in Annaclone, 1.8 apiece i think it finished. Banbridge would have been deserved winners IMO after a sluggish start. Annaclone were awarded a soft free 14 yards out in injury time to equalise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 30, 2007, 09:40:17 PM
It's top 4 for the Playoffs in Division 3 for 100%

Down ACFL Division 3
Dundrum 0-12 St Pauls 0-05
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 30, 2007, 09:42:57 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 30, 2007, 09:40:17 PM
It's top 4 for the Playoffs in Division 3 for 100%

Down ACFL Division 3
Dundrum 0-12 St Pauls 0-05

DF where are you getting this from? i always thought that but was informed tonight that it was def the top three ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 30, 2007, 09:48:32 PM
Square Ball, it came from Seamus Walsh County Secretary who consulted with Sean Rooney (Asst. Sec) on more than one occasion about it. I have been undoubtedly re-assured that the top 4 will will be in the playoffs. Division 3 has exactly the same rules as Division 1 and 2. Take my word for it, this is concrete.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 30, 2007, 09:51:52 PM
Division 3 Results 30/7/07

Teconnaught 1.7 Bright 0.9

Dundrum 0.12 St. Pauls 0.5

Ardglass 3.14 Glenn 0.4

Mitchels 1.7 Drumgath 2.12

Bosco 1.9 Tullylish 2.12

Bredagh 0.12 Saul 1.11


ACFL Division 3 Table

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           19            30
Saul                19            27
Dundrum         19            25
Bredagh          19            23
--------------------------------------------
Bosco              19            22
Teconnaught    19            20
Drumgath         18            19
Ardglass           18            19
------------------------------------------
Glenn              19            16
Mitchels           19            11
Bright              19             8
St Pauls           19             6


Next Set of Fixtures: Friday Night

Bright v Dundrum
Ardglass v St. Pauls
Glenn v Teconnaught
Drumgath v Tullylish
Saul v Mitchels
Bredagh v Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 30, 2007, 09:57:08 PM
Bryansford 1.11 Atticall 1.09
Burren bt longstone
Mayobridge beat An Riocht
Rostrevor beat Clonduff
Leitrim V Kilcoo - OFF
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 30, 2007, 10:26:16 PM
another impressive result for saul, after the poor start in their first 4 or 5 games, surely the in form team in the county. are any saul posters on the board whom could tell what exactly their record is over the last 14 or 15 games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 30, 2007, 10:54:50 PM
Dundrumite - In answer to your question - Saul's full results in chrono order below.  Impressive indeed.

Lost Glenn A
Lost Ddrum H
Lost Tecgh A
Won Ardg H
Lost Bright A
Won St Paul's H
Won Bosco A
Won Breda H
Draw Mitchels A
Won T'lish H
Won Glen H
Won Ddrum A
Won Tecgh H
Lost Ardg A
Won Bright H
Won St Paul's A
Won Bosco H
Won D'gath A
Won Bredagh A
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smiler An Dun on July 30, 2007, 10:56:24 PM
another newbie ...   ;D

tonights results:

Monday 30 July

O'Neills International Sportswear

Div 1

Bryansford 1.11 Atticall 1.9

Loughinisland 1.6 Castlewellan 0.11

An Riocht 2.7 Mayobridge 4.14

Clonduff 0.10 Rostrevor 1.17

Burren 0.12 Longstone 0.10

Liatroim v Kilcoo OFF

Div 2

Downpatrick 3.9 Ballymartin 1.10

Ballyholland 1.17 Glasdrumman 1.5

Carryduff 0.6 Kilclief 1.8

Warrenpoint 1.9 Shamrocks 1.11

Annaclone 1.9 Clann Na Banna 1.9

Saval 0.10 Darragh Cross 1.9

Div 3

Teconnaught 1.7 Bright 0.9

Dundrum 0.12 St. Pauls 0.5

Ardglass 3.14 Glenn 0.4

Mitchels 1.7 Drumgath 2.12

Bosco 1.9 Tullylish 2.12

Bredagh 0.12 Saul 1.11

Div 4

St. Johns 5.18 Aughlisnafin 1.6

Aghaderg 1.7 Drumaness 0.12

Ballykinlar 0.5 St. Michaels 9.8

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 31, 2007, 07:30:06 AM
Quote from: Smiler An Dun on July 30, 2007, 10:56:24 PM

Ballykinlar 0.5 St. Michaels 9.8


With the end of opperation Banner Ballykinlar will really struggle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on July 31, 2007, 08:55:19 AM
QuoteWhat has happened to Kilclief hurlers, No 001?

  They don't train and the manager is only doing it because no-one else would after Jimmy O'Reilly walked away (which I don't blame him for doing). 

  The main reason is most of our better hurlers are playing football only at the moment and without them we are awful. 

  Of the fifteen lads that started our football match last night at least 8 of them are better hurlers than footballers. 

  10 years ago we were a truly dual club, now it is like two separate clubs and the apathy towards hurling is getting worse.

  Just on another note JC, are you heading to the Races on August 12th?  I believe our clubs are sharing a function room, should be interesting!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 31, 2007, 10:15:36 AM
Quote from: No1 on July 31, 2007, 08:55:19 AM

  Just on another note JC, are you heading to the Races on August 12th?  I believe our clubs are sharing a function room, should be interesting!

Should be. I only heard about the shared function room the other week from a club colleague of your own. This'll be our third race day, feckin expensive when you don't know one end of a horse from another but good craic all the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 31, 2007, 11:29:17 AM
tullylish played well last night to beat us , they took their chances we didnt thats the story of it, they have been consistant all year when we havnt. good luck to them in the play-offs, hopefully we can get there too but it will take a lot of hard work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smiler An Dun on July 31, 2007, 11:40:28 AM
Aghaderg 1.7 Drumaness 0.12

[/quote]

Is this the closest anyone has came to Drumaness this year?
Any one know when the rearranged st. michaels/aghaderg will be?  this was postponed on fri night.  Going to be the crunch game in the Division 4 to see who gets promoted alongside Drumaness.  St michaels currently in second but aghaderg are 4points behind with two games in hand

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownHead on July 31, 2007, 12:39:18 PM
Wot do ppl think the top 4 will be come the end of the season in div three???

i think it might finish the way it is now!!

and if so would do you think will come out out the play-offs and head to div 2??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downgael on July 31, 2007, 02:02:41 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 30, 2007, 09:48:32 PM
Square Ball, it came from Seamus Walsh County Secretary who consulted with Sean Rooney (Asst. Sec) on more than one occasion about it. I have been undoubtedly re-assured that the top 4 will will be in the playoffs. Division 3 has exactly the same rules as Division 1 and 2. Take my word for it, this is concrete.
according to the Down GAA Bye Laws and Rules Book which were given to clubs at the last County Board meeting it states "Relegation from Division 1, 2 and 3 will be determined on a round robin basis involving the bottom four teams in Division 1 and Division 2 and the bottom three teams in Division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 31, 2007, 02:54:54 PM
div3 top 4 should be as it is. tullylish safe, saul nearly there, dundrum and bredagh can only loose it, bosco need a miracle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 31, 2007, 03:00:49 PM
Downgael - I'd take Seamus Walsh's views over that.

The reason why there were 3 teams in Division III play-offs in recent seasons is that it was a 10-team league. Now it is a 12-team league again, it would revert to the 4 team playoffs as with Divisions I and II. The rulebook may not have been updated as an oversight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 31, 2007, 03:17:49 PM
wobbler how much do the ballyholland club pay the democrat for your  ballyholland bulletin piece in their paper every week  :) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 31, 2007, 03:23:07 PM
Hush Tom, or I might have to give Mayobridge the kiss of death in next week's championship predictions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 31, 2007, 04:06:08 PM
after last nights performance, i dont think even you could get us beat!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on August 01, 2007, 09:45:59 AM
Ulster Hurling League Quarter Final: Newry Shamrocks 2-16 Armoy 0-6
Vast improvement from Shamrocks on their inept performance in the IHC on Sunday and Armoy bore the brunt of a team on the rebound last night. The use of a sweeper in between the half back and full back line made a massive difference and created space up front for the forwards particularly Eoin McGuinness to run riot.
It was great to the chance to put Sunday's poor performance behind us so quickly, looking forward to the semis now. :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on August 01, 2007, 12:57:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 31, 2007, 03:00:49 PM
Downgael - I'd take Seamus Walsh's views over that.

The reason why there were 3 teams in Division III play-offs in recent seasons is that it was a 10-team league. Now it is a 12-team league again, it would revert to the 4 team playoffs as with Divisions I and II. The rulebook may not have been updated as an oversight.

Thanks Wobbler ... just noticed though that the League tables on the Downgaa.net have been updated with a set of lines under Tullylish (i.e. first place) and above the bottom 2.  Have we now got a new setup in that first place is going up automatically and bottom 2 dropping without playoffs?  Somebody needs to confirm this - I hope the teams themselves at least know whats happening....

Anyone any update on this possible twist? the Div 3 playoff chase is tight enough without adding a first-straight-up and next-3-playoff ruling very late in the day
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 01, 2007, 01:36:12 PM
Statto gael, you're looking for things that aren't there!

The line under the likes of Tullylish and Kilcoo, and over the likes of Atticall and Bright, means that they're definitely going to end the season in a play-off situation (for relegation teams, providing they get 30% of top place). Mathematics and all that.

It's just Diarmuid trying to be helpful.


Note - there are  few errors in Downgaa.net's ACFL II table. Harps have only 22 points. Ballymartin have played 19. The outstanding fixture is Shamrocks vs Carryduff.
Title: someone is watching you statto
Post by: passedit on August 01, 2007, 01:39:12 PM
I see the site has been further updated.

Wobbler you've definitely taken the shilling, does the 30% rule not apply for div three?

http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/leaguetables/full_allcounty_leaguetables.htm (http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/leaguetables/full_allcounty_leaguetables.htm)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wally on August 01, 2007, 01:44:46 PM
Has anyone got directions to Brights new ground, I am looking to get down and watch them play Dundrum on Friday night

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 01, 2007, 01:45:44 PM
10% rule?

Only percentage rule I'm aware of is that the bottom 2 teams must each have at least 30% of the top team's points tally to avoid automatic relegation.

This is rounded down i.e.

- If Saval finish top with 30 points, bottom teams need ((30/10) * 3 = 9) 9 points to avoid relegation.
- If Saval finish top with 31 points, bottom teams need ((31/10) * 3 = 9.3) 9.3 points to avoid relegation. This is rounded down to 9 points required.
- If Saval finish top with 32 points, bottom teams need ((32/10) * 3 = 9.6) 9.6 points to avoid relegation. This is rounded down to 9 points required.
- If Saval finish top with 33 points, bottom teams need ((33/10) * 3 = 9.9) 9.9 points to avoid relegation. This is still rounded down to 9 points required.
- If Saval finish top with 34 points, bottom teams need ((34/10) * 3 = 10.2) 10.2 points to avoid relegation. This is rounded down to 10 points required.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on August 01, 2007, 02:04:52 PM
Quote10% rule?

Slip of the mouse, (or maybe wishful thinking) now amended.

My reading of table and annotations for Div three is that relegation is a bottom three playoff with no 30% rule.

Bit of a pity that it isn't crystal clear

 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 01, 2007, 02:09:29 PM
Wobbs,

Do you have an up to date Div 2 table handy by any chance?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 01, 2007, 03:15:17 PM
it seems that the result is wrong for the point v shamrocks game and that in fact the point won by 2 points...i assume the div 2 table needs changed as a result....?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 01, 2007, 03:28:20 PM
No.1 - I think the one on the Harps website (inside senior football) is accurate - apart from the shams vs point issue GY highlighted above.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 01, 2007, 03:39:43 PM
boys what are the div 4 fixtures this week end
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 01, 2007, 03:49:50 PM
  Wobbs, on your website the table gives you boys 24 points.  Are you on 22 or 24?

  I was under impression if we get beat on Friday our play off chances are gone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on August 01, 2007, 04:35:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 01, 2007, 01:45:44 PM
10% rule?

Only percentage rule I'm aware of is that the bottom 2 teams must each have at least 30% of the top team's points tally to avoid automatic relegation.

This is rounded down i.e.

- If Saval finish top with 30 points, bottom teams need ((30/10) * 3 = 9) 9 points to avoid relegation.
- If Saval finish top with 31 points, bottom teams need ((31/10) * 3 = 9.3) 9.3 points to avoid relegation. This is rounded down to 9 points required.
- If Saval finish top with 32 points, bottom teams need ((32/10) * 3 = 9.6) 9.6 points to avoid relegation. This is rounded down to 9 points required.
- If Saval finish top with 33 points, bottom teams need ((33/10) * 3 = 9.9) 9.9 points to avoid relegation. This is still rounded down to 9 points required.
- If Saval finish top with 34 points, bottom teams need ((34/10) * 3 = 10.2) 10.2 points to avoid relegation. This is rounded down to 10 points required.


Wobbler 9.6 and 9.9 are actually rounded up as per conventional mathematics ruling--this was definitely the case in previous years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 01, 2007, 04:36:48 PM
We've definitely got 24 points now.

If Hoops beat you Friday night, then you would have to win your last 2 and hope they lose their last 2, and that Harps drop 5pts out of 6.

If you win on Friday night and we lose to Ballymartin, it's all in your own hands, as we play you next.



6 Sams - maybe a long time ago, but it's been rounded down for the past 4 seasons at least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 01, 2007, 04:46:00 PM
Cheers Wobbs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 01, 2007, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: boscomo on August 01, 2007, 03:39:43 PM
boys what are the div 4 fixtures this week end

there you go, thought uyou would be in Cherryvale as opposed towatching div 4

Friday 3 August 7.30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear

Div 1

Atticall v Castlewellan

An Riocht v Loughinisland

Mayobridge v Bryansford

Rostrevor v Longstone

Kilcoo v Clonduff

Liatroim v Burren

Div 2

Ballymartin v Ballyholland

Carryduff v Glasdrumman

Kilclief v Downpatrick

Shamrocks v Clann Na Banna

Darragh Cross v Warrenpoint

Saval v Anaclone

Div 3

Bright v Dudrum

Ardglass v St. Pauls

Glenn v Teconnaught

Drumgath v Tullylish

Saul v Mitchels

Bredagh v Bosco

Div 4

St. Michaels v Dromara

Drumaness v Ballykinlar

Aughlisnafin v Aghaderg

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownHead on August 02, 2007, 03:07:41 PM
Some big games in div 3 the mara night!! biggest i would say would be the newry bosco against belfast cherryvale!! both teams will be gunning for the two points on offer the mara night!!if the belfast men were to secure the points and dundrum take the spoils in Bright then i believe a play off place is certian for the sea siders!! can u confirm this DF!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 02, 2007, 08:25:27 PM
bosco go to the big smoke tomorow night missing a few players through injury and have been bad on the road this year so it will be an uphill stryuggle for the yellows of the small smoke but stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 02, 2007, 08:29:17 PM
Quote from: boscomo on August 02, 2007, 08:25:27 PM
bosco go to the big smoke tomorow night missing a few players through injury and have been bad on the road this year so it will be an uphill stryuggle for the yellows of the small smoke but stranger things have happened.


:D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 02, 2007, 10:33:28 PM
my spelling is rubish square ball
:-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wally on August 03, 2007, 08:37:51 AM
Directions to Bright's new pitch anyone  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael on August 03, 2007, 08:52:48 AM
A.C.F.L. Division 3                              
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points   Diff   Goals   Points   Goals   Points
Tullylish   19   14   2   3   30   101   21   224   9   159
Saul   19   13   1   5   27   58   22   173   15   136
Dundrum   19   12   1   6   25   49   33   213   23   194
Bredagh   19   11   1   7   23   28   21   192   24   155
Bosco   19   10   2   7   22   6   23   175   22   172
Teconnaught   19   10   0   9   20   -14   28   132   22   164
Drumgath   18   9   1   8   19   21   27   194   23   185
Ardglass   18   9   1   8   19   -19   13   180   20   178
Glenn   19   7   2   10   16   -8   23   136   19   156
Mitchel's   19   5   1   13   11   -59   15   179   28   199
Bright   19   4   0   15   8   -80   14   155   25   202
St Pauls   19   3   0   16   6   -83   24   165   37   209
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale3 on August 03, 2007, 08:59:06 AM
Wally - Bright Directions
Into Downpatrick and head up the hill past the police station, out the Killough Road. At the Flying Horse Estate roundabout take a right signposted for Tyrella - pitch a couple of miles out on the left - can't miss it.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 03, 2007, 10:26:10 AM
For those of us not in Divison 3 :) ;)

A.C.F.L. Division 1                     For   For   Against   Against
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points   Diff   Goals   Points   Goals   Points
Kilcoo   18   13   2   3   28   94   22   208   12   144
Mayobridge   16   10   3   3   23   65   27   165   14   139
Rostrevor   19   9   4   6   22   9   11   201   14   183
Bryansford   19   9   2   8   20   -12   19   172   19   184
Longstone   18   8   3   7   19   10   8   197   7   190
Clonduff   17   8   3   6   19   9   20   170   17   170
Burren   18   7   3   8   17   2   13   171   10   178
Loughinisland19   7   3   9   17   -14   17   160   11   192
Castlewellan18   8   0   10   16   -3   16   181   20   172
An Riocht   17   6   4   7   16   -29   11   178   17   189
Liatroim   17   6   3   8   15   -10   9   170   10   177
Attical   19   1   1   17   3   -121   5   157   25   218
                              
                              
A.C.F.L. Division 2                              
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points   Diff   Goals   Points   Goals   Points
Saval   19   13   4   2   30   89   18   211   9   149
Ballymartin   19   12   4   3   28   60   23   200   12   173
Annaclone   19   11   4   4   26   83   22   220   13   164
Ballyholland   19   10   4   5   24   69   26   191   13   161
Downpatrick19   11   1   7   23   39   22   215   25   167
Kilclief   19   8   5   6   21   39   15   208   14   172
Shamrocks   18   6   4   8   16   -26   16   157   18   177
Darragh Cross19   7   2   10   16   -36   11   183   21   189
Clann na Banna19   5   4   10   14   -24   20   172   24   184
Warrenpoint19   5   3   11   13   -73   17   162   20   226
Glasdrumman19   4   2   13   10   -121   18   149   30   234
Carryduff   18   3   0   15   6   -99   13   133   25   196
                              
                              
A.C.F.L. Division 3                              
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points   Diff   Goals   Points   Goals   Points
Tullylish   19   14   2   3   30   101   21   224   9   159
Saul   19   13   1   5   27   58   22   173   15   136
Dundrum   19   12   1   6   25   49   33   213   23   194
Bredagh   19   11   1   7   23   28   21   192   24   155
Bosco   19   10   2   7   22   6   23   175   22   172
Teconnaught19   10   0   9   20   -14   28   132   22   164
Drumgath   18   9   1   8   19   21   27   194   23   185
Ardglass   18   9   1   8   19   -19   13   180   20   178
Glenn   19   7   2   10   16   -8   23   136   19   156
Mitchel's   19   5   1   13   11   -59   15   179   28   199
Bright   19   4   0   15   8   -80   14   155   25   202
St Pauls   19   3   0   16   6   -83   24   165   37   209
                              
A.C.F.L. Division 4                              
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points               
Drumaness   18   18   0   0   36               
St. Michael's16   12   0   4   24               
Aghaderg   14   9   0   5   18                
St. John's   17   9   0   8   18               
Dromara   14   6   0   8   12               
Ballykinlar   16   2   0   14   4               
Aughlisnafin15   0   0   15   0               
                              
                              
A.C.P.R.L. 1                              
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points   Diff   Goals   Points   Goals   Points
Kilcoo   15   12   0   3   24   98   21   192   11   124
Rostrevor   14   9   4   1   22   125   32   165   9   109
Mayobridge   13   10   2   1   22   111   30   162   12   105
Burren   15   7   3   5   17   12   13   137   13   125
Clonduff   16   7   1   8   15   4   24   134   17   151
Bryansford   13   7   1   5   15   0   17   101   9   125
Liatroim   13   5   2   6   12   -22   14   155   27   138
Longstone   14   6   0   8   12   -52   13   146   24   165
An Riocht   13   4   2   7   10   -56   11   107   20   136
Downpatrick13   2   0   11   4   -72   7   100   17   142
Warrenpoint12   1   0   11   2   -148   5   82   27   164
A.C.P.R.L. 2                              
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points   Diff   Goals   Points   Goals   Points
Castlewellan16   16   0   0   32   186   50   154   11   85
Saval   15   11   0   4   22   102   36   159   23   96
Carryduff   15   9   3   3   21   42   34   153   23   144
Tullylish   14   7   1   6   15   -8   15   119   15   127
Ballymartin   13   7   1   5   15   56   20   146   15   105
Annaclone   13   6   1   6   13   -6   19   108   8   133
Loughinisland14   5   2   7   12   -27   13   139   26   127
Kilclief   14   3   0   11   6   -108   15   88   33   142
Saul   15   0   0   15   0   -51   6   62   55   167
                              
                              
A.C.H.L.1                              
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points                   
Portaferry   9   9   0   0   18               
Ballygalget   10   5   0   5   10               
Liatroim   8   4   0   4   8               
Ballycran   5   4   0   1   8               
Shamrocks   5   3   0   2   6               
Kilclief   8   1   0   7   2               
Ballela   5   0   0   5   0               
                              
A.C.H.L.2                                 
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points               
Bredagh   10   9   0   1   18               
Clonduff   11   6   1   4   13               
Ballycran   9   6   0   3   12                
Castlewellan11   5   1   5   11               
Warrenpoint9   4   1   4   9               
Ballyvarley   10   4   0   6   8               
Portaferry   10   3   1   6   7               
Ballygalget   8   2   0   6   4               
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 03, 2007, 10:46:38 AM
These tables are different than the ones on the Down website.  Which one is correct as with promotion/relegation issues to be sorted, it would be nice to know who is right.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 03, 2007, 10:55:11 AM
Those tables came from the County Assistant Secretary Cloc Mór so I would like to think they are right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownHead on August 03, 2007, 11:05:51 AM
any predictions for tonights div 3 matches??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 03, 2007, 11:16:04 AM
Cheers for the tables 5 Sams.  Could you not have set them out a wee bit better?   :P

Bad luck tonight by the way, hope yiz get stuffed!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 03, 2007, 11:21:45 AM
As Roy Keane would say "Stick it up your Bollix No 1". ;)

Joking aside the formatting was grand when I pasted the tables in and then they went skew wiff when i opened up the post ...ah well.


BTW For any one thats interested here are next week's League and Championship fixtures, etc<


Down GAA Fixtures



Tuesday 7th August 7.30pm

ACHL 7.30pm S14

Div One

Liatroim v Ballygalget

Ballela v Ballycran

Shamrocks v Kilclief

Div Two

Ballycran v Portaferry

Ballyvarley v Warrenpoint

Castlewellan v Bredagh

Ballygalget v Clonduff

Thursday 9th August

Powerade SFC 7.30pm in Clonduff, Kilcoo v Liatroim G Gorrigan

Friday 10th August

Powerade SFC 7.30pm in Atticall, Clonduff v Bryansford D Moore

'Around A Pound' IFC 7.30pm Castlewellan, Glenn v Downpatrick D Laverty

'Around A Pound' IFC 7.30pm in Dundrum, Saval v Kilclief P Branagan

Saturday 11th August

Powerade SFC 5pm in Newcastle, Shamrocks v Loughinisland S Lowey

Powerade SFC 6.30pm in Newcastle, An Riocht v Castlewellan E O'Hare

'Around A Pound' IFC 5pm in Downpatrick, Teconnaught v Dundrum J Killen

'Around A Pound' IFC 6.30pm in Downpatrick, Carryduff v Bredagh M Rawlinson

Sunday 12th August

Powerade SFC 5pm in Newry, Burren v Warrenpoint N Cousins

Powerade SFC 6.30pm in Newry, Drumgath v Longstone N Morgan

'Around A Pound' IFC 1pm in St. Johns, Darragh Cross v Clann Na Banna O Burke

'Around A Pound' IFC 2.30pm in An Riocht, Ballyholland v Glasdrumman J Burns

Monday 13th August

Powerade SFC 7.30pm in Burren, Mayobridge v Atticall G Branagan

Powerade SFC 7.30pm in Drumgath, Rostrevor v Annaclone L Smyth

'Around A Pound' IFC 7.30pm in Ballykinlar, Saul v Ballymartin G Tumelty

Tuesday 14th August

'Around A Pound' IFC 7.30pm in Kilcoo, Tullylish v Ardglass L Morgan

JFC 7.30pm in Drumgath, Bosco v Dromara D Brogan

JFC 7.30pm in Glenn, Mitchels v St. Michaels D Ryan

JFC 7.30pm in Carryduff, St. Pauls v Drumaness P Brownlee

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on August 03, 2007, 11:27:03 AM
For all Div 3 afficionados, tonights game between Saul and Mitchels is off due to a bereavement in the home club - it may be refixed for next Friday night though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 03, 2007, 11:28:22 AM
QuoteThose tables came from the County Assistant Secretary Cloc Mór so I would like to think they are right.

Cheers, 5 Sams.  Pity they wouldn't change/update the website with the correct tables then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on August 03, 2007, 11:40:56 AM
League Tables - can't really comment on the football accuracy but the hurling is definitely wrong as Shamrocks have played seven games and won five thus have ten points. I know that the Crans have definitely more than ten points as well, at the minute I'd say the top three in Division1 are Portaferry, Ballycran and Shamrcoks in that order in terms of league position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smiler An Dun on August 03, 2007, 12:30:43 PM
Revised Div 4 Table

A.C.F.L. Division 4                             
Club   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points               
Drumaness   16   16   0   0   32               
St. Michael's16   12   0   4   24               
Aghaderg   14   9   0   5   18               
St. John's   17   9   0   8   18               
Dromara   14   6   0   8   12               
Ballykinlar   16   2   0   14   4               
Aughlisnafin15   0   0   15   0   

Drumaness has only played 16 games with 2 games still left to play for them, though it will make no difference.  Only caught on as they were down to play Ballykinlar this weekend which would have meant they would have been on having played 19 games when it is only a 18 game league.

Runners Up in the division?  Expect Aghadeg to achieve it.  They should win their remaining games in hand as well including their re-arranged fixture with st michael's.  This would leave both clubs on 26 points providing St Michaels beat Dromara tonight.  This will then set up a play-off to decide who goes up with Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 03, 2007, 12:39:22 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 02, 2007, 08:29:17 PM
Quote from: boscomo on August 02, 2007, 08:25:27 PM
bosco go to the big smoke tomorow night missing a few players through injury and have been bad on the road this year so it will be an uphill stryuggle for the yellows of the small smoke but stranger things have happened.


:D
Quote from: boscomo on August 02, 2007, 10:33:28 PM
my spelling is rubish square ball
:-[

wasnt commenting on your spelling Boscomo, its the mind games  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 03, 2007, 07:58:53 PM
I couldn't get out tonight. Can someone post scores/results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 03, 2007, 09:07:02 PM
Bredagh 1-19 Bosco 0-08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 03, 2007, 09:08:34 PM
yes guys couldnt get to watch bosco v bredagh tonight so would appriciate the score

mo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 03, 2007, 09:09:47 PM
cheers square that was quick , too quick infact, told my spelling was shite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 03, 2007, 09:17:10 PM
that was not the same team that was up against Bredagh in the Wee smoke as Boscomo put it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 03, 2007, 09:24:31 PM
as i said square we are about 7 players missing through injury , really struggling now, glad there is a small break before the championship, we need to regroup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 03, 2007, 09:37:18 PM
Tullylish 2-15 Drumgath 1-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 03, 2007, 09:51:06 PM
dundrum beat bright, so that looks like barring a freak set of results tullylish, saul, dundrum and bredagh to make up the top4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 03, 2007, 10:03:52 PM
Down ACFL Division 3
Bright 0-07  Dundrum 0-16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 03, 2007, 10:07:44 PM
ACFL Division 3 Table (Quick Update)

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           20            32
Saul                19            27
Dundrum         20            27
Bredagh          20            25
--------------------------------------------
Bosco              20            22
Ardglass           19            21
Teconnaught    20            20
Drumgath         19            19
------------------------------------------
Glenn              20            18
Mitchels           19            11
Bright              20             8
St Pauls           20             6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smiler An Dun on August 03, 2007, 10:11:34 PM
DOWN GAA RESULTS

Friday 3 August

O'Neills International Sportswear

Div 1

Atticall 0-4 Castlewellan 1-9

An Riocht (Sun 5pm ) Loughinisland

Mayobridge 5-8
Bryansford 2-12

Rostrevor 0-8 Longstone 1-10

Kilcoo 1-10 Clonduff 0-9

Liatroim 1-12 Burren 2-12

Div 2

Ballymartin 0-5
Ballyholland 1-6

Carryduff 0-12
Glasdrumman 3-7

Kilclief 1-11 Downpatrick 2-9

Shamrocks 1-16 Clann Na Banna 2-10

Darragh Cross 1-10
Warrenpoint 3-6

Saval 0-12 Anaclone 1-5

Div 3

Bright 0-7 Dudrum 0-15

Ardglass 0-13 St.
Pauls 1-5

Glenn 1-5 Teconnaught 0-7

Drumgath 1-8 Tullylish 2-15

Saul (off) Mitchels

Bredagh 1-19 Bosco 0-8

Div 4

St. Michaels1-16 Dromara 1-16

Drumaness 5-16 Ballykinlar 2-6

Aughlisnafin 2-3 Aghaderg 3-24

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 03, 2007, 10:17:57 PM
If the Teconnaught result is correct thats them out of it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 04, 2007, 01:55:15 AM
Quote from: wobbller on August 03, 2007, 10:24:51 PM
ACFL Division 3 Table (Could be wrong?)

                  Played     Points
Tullylish           20            32
Saul                19            27
Dundrum         20            27
Bredagh          20            25
--------------------------------------------
Bosco              20            22
Ardglass           19            21
Teconnaught    20            20
Drumgath         19            19

------------------------------------------
Glenn              20            18
Mitchels           19            11
Bright              20             8
St Pauls           20             6

Does the 30% rule apply to Bright in 2nd last place?

my understanding is that the 30% rule applies to everyone that it is applicable to, could be the bottom 3, so at the minute in div 3 its Bright and St pauls, to avoid the 30% st Pauls have to win the last 2 matched and Tullylish to lose theirs, Bright need a few more points. If both fall into the 30% does that mean the playoffs dont happen?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 04, 2007, 02:34:07 PM
The Bridge had a good win but very very hard earned victory over the Ford last night.  The Ford were the better team for large parts of the game but our ability to get goals from no where saved our bacon.  The game had to be stopped for 25 mins to allow an Ambulance to take a Ford player to hospital with a suspected neck injury.  Spirit Any word on the lad today?  On the face of this performance the Ford will be hard talked to in the Championship.  From a Bridge point of view this was just the sort of game we needed.

Another bad night from Rostrevor they have a very hard run in against Burren and Kilcoo and I wouldn't fancy them to make the top 4.  Burren look to be hitting form just at the right time a win over Kilcoo and an away win in Laitroim points to the possibility of a good run in the championship.  Drumgath got another hiding last night from Tullylish and you really have to wonder how they are going to live with the Stone who would probably eat the likes of Tullylish alive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 04, 2007, 02:38:57 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on July 05, 2007, 09:34:42 PM
ACFL DIV3

ARDGLASS  0-6  DRUMGATH  2-4

Match abandoned by referee after 48 minutes. Referee stated he had warned the team captains that he was receiving too much verbal abuse and blew up the game with 12 minutes to go after one of the ardglass players said something to him. This was neither a dirty or tempestuous game [only 2 yellow cards had been brandished] & no player had been cautioned for any sort of verbal abuse.

Does anyone know if the authorities have reached a decision on this match?  Did Drumgath get the points or is there to be a reply?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 04, 2007, 02:41:40 PM
Rostrevor 0-08 1-10 Longstone

Probably our best game of the year, showed real hunger all over the pitch, particularly Mark Doran and Barry Kelly who were immence in the half back line.  Rostrevor never really threatened, and if you can man mark Connor Daily out of the game you really boost your chances of beating Rostrevor.  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 04, 2007, 08:14:39 PM
Junior Championship Result

Portaferry 1-16 0-10 Ballygalget. Tomorrows match between Ballycran & Warrenpoint is off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 05, 2007, 01:57:16 PM
hard luck to bredagh player and antrim manager jody gormley yesterday in a fantastic tommy murphy cup final played at headquaters, really thought antrim had it but that last kick of the game goal must me heart breaking, it was a great game played in a great spriit not like the dirt that followed, the sligo and cork match was the worst i have seen in a long time , then the meath v tyrone game was a cracker too.hard luck jody hopefully you can guide bredagh to consecitive promotions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 05, 2007, 03:21:36 PM
Bredagh beat Castlewellan 4-18 to 0-3 in the Junior Championship today
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Post by: dundrumite on August 05, 2007, 05:59:56 PM
I know unlikely but a possibility still exists that if drumaness win the junior championship and Glenn overtake drumgath, then within the space of one season drumgath will have went from senior status to junior, surely this would be a first within Down? Any real stat heads out there able to correct me?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on August 06, 2007, 08:00:56 AM
Hurling fixtures Tuesday 7th August 7.30pm

ACHL 7.30pm S14

Div One

Liatroim v Ballygalget

Ballela v Ballycran

Shamrocks v Kilclief

Portaferry have dropped one point and Shmrocks have dropped 4. They have to play each other twice so Shamrocks can still catch Ports. If Kilclief beat Shamrocks tonight it's all over. But they won't!


Div Two

Ballycran v Portaferry

Ballyvarley v Warrenpoint

Castlewellan v Bredagh

Ballygalget v Clonduff

Bredagh have only lost once all season and if they win at Castlewellan they win Division 2. After the hiding they dished outto The Town  in the championship I'd expect celebrations in the Parador on Tuesday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 06, 2007, 06:05:40 PM
Bredagh v Castlewellan in ACHL Div 2 is off.

Has anyone seen Carryduff this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 07, 2007, 12:02:26 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 06, 2007, 06:05:40 PM
Bredagh v Castlewellan in ACHL Div 2 is off.

Has anyone seen Carryduff this year?

Lecale, why is this game off?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 07, 2007, 02:19:35 PM
Might take a wee trip to Downpatrick myself on Saturday to watch this one, would love to see bredagh get one over that shower. never liked playing against them, it wasn't that they were better or anything like that, just they had this holier than thou attitude as if they had invented the game.

is there much talk of this game locally? I believe there are a few Bredagh boys on this site, any Duffers?

the above is a lift from the prediction thread

wont want to miss this one, should make for an interesting game especially as these two havnt met eachother in a competative senior match in years, The Duff must go into this game as strong favourites given there div two status, but it doesnt always play out that way
Title: Bredagh v Carrduff
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 08, 2007, 12:44:46 AM
Bredagh v Carrduff in the championship? 
Hardly matters in the grand scheme of things.  Probably means a lot to the belfasties but not beyond. Neither have a chance of getting much further in competition with the likes of Saval, Downpatrixk, Kilclief, Ballymartin awaiting. 
Mayobridge 2nds would wipe the floor with the pick of both of them.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 08, 2007, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on August 08, 2007, 12:44:46 AM
Bredagh v Carrduff in the championship? 
Hardly matters in the grand scheme of things.  Probably means a lot to the belfasties but not beyond. Neither have a chance of getting much further in competition with the likes of Saval, Downpatrixk, Kilclief, Ballymartin awaiting. 
Mayobridge 2nds would wipe the floor with the pick of both of them.

Thats an elitist attitude there Onion Bag!  The Intermediate and Junior Chmpionships should be given more repsect.  After all, look at the populations in the areas such as Bredagh and Carryduff, theres a lot of potential there that is yet untapped as far as producing quality county footballers.  The same could be said for Newry and Downpatrick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on August 08, 2007, 11:44:21 PM
In the hurling league Divison 1 on Tuesday Shamrock's, as expected, accounted for Kilclief to keep their title hopes alive.

In Division 2 Bredagh won the league without pucking a ball when closest challengers Ballycran lost at home to Portaferry and Ballygalget returned to winning ways to defeat 3rd placed Clonduff.

Congratulations Bredagh!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on August 09, 2007, 06:49:17 AM
What on Earth is a Frankie attitude?  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 09, 2007, 08:04:24 AM
Frankie Attitude!  Agree with Bacon and would be interested to hear the answer to hisr questionl, lets be hearing from ye Wobbler?

Where does the term Frankie come from anyway?  Am I correct in thinking it is a Ballynahinch/Downpatrick/Ardglass area thingy?

Also wobbler, and anyone else with an opinion, does the term Frankie not equally apply to carryduff given as it is only a surburb of belfast?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 09, 2007, 08:10:31 AM
Quote from: wobbller on August 09, 2007, 01:16:53 AM
Congratulations to breda.Where now for this new dual CLUB?Defeat on Saturdat night would seriously dent the  "frankie" attitude that affects everyone within Belfast and surrounding areas.

Will Bredagh now go up a division in the hurling or will they chose to stay in Div2 as other winners have done in the past?


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 09, 2007, 08:28:41 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 09, 2007, 08:10:31 AM

Will Bredagh now go up a division in the hurling or will they chose to stay in Div2 as other winners have done in the past?


No reason why not unless County Board have some other plan. The only way to improve and progress is through playing better teams. There is a gap in standard between Div 1 and Div 2 but I believe Bredagh can hold their own against most in Div 1, especially at home.  Which clubs other than Ballycran didn't take the promotion Johnnycool? I know Ballela and Castlewellan both went up after finishing second to Ballycran in recent years.

Wobbller - wise up! Were you on the beer last night? You used to have a bit of sense even if you were always hostile towards hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 09, 2007, 09:12:43 AM
Lecale and others, please note that the fella called wobbller is nothing to do with me.  He's an opinionated bollocks too, but we're very different people.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 09, 2007, 09:29:56 AM
Sorry! I see that now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 09, 2007, 12:24:22 PM
QuoteLecale and others, please note that the fella called wobbller is nothing to do with me.  He's an opinionated bollocks too, but we're very different people.

I think he 'appeared' when the website was changed, before you had signed up wobbler.  Not sure if he trying to impersonate you but with a name so close to yours I think he was trying to stir things up.  I would like to think that we all know he has nothing to do with you.  Some of his posts have been out of order - nearly as original as his name.  We're all with thewobbler on this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: billy the kid on August 09, 2007, 05:20:39 PM
where does the future of the gaa lie in down? with the hurling and foofball teams both being so very poor this year. is it lack of talent lack of investment or just lack of interest? what happened to the teams of the 90s where two allireland football titles and 3 ulster hurling titles were won.  these men should be coaching throughout the underage system in the county to try and alleviate the pain of the long suffering fans of a once proud county that has descended into near oblivion on the success front.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 09, 2007, 05:54:06 PM
QuoteThe Square in Kilcoo???

I take it wobbllier that you have never been in Kilcoo to see the Square.  Great place altogether
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on August 09, 2007, 08:57:04 PM
any word how the hill billie derby went tonight ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 09, 2007, 08:58:57 PM
Draw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 09, 2007, 08:59:33 PM
Quote from: Cloc Mor on August 09, 2007, 08:58:57 PM
Draw

honestly?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 09, 2007, 09:07:03 PM
For sure - Liatroim up by 6 at half time but never scored in 2nd half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 09, 2007, 09:24:07 PM
Liam Doyle went into the game injured (again).  Not sure what was wrong he had to take a 'Plaster of Paris' off to play.  Didn't hear how he went.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 09, 2007, 09:59:24 PM
The Square in Kilcoo?  Couldn'd agree more Clocmor a greta wee place for some action.  Manys the good coort I had there, but the left turn for Hiltown is a bit away from the square??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 09, 2007, 10:07:32 PM
QuoteThe Square in Kilcoo?  Couldn'd agree more Clocmor a greta wee place for some action.  Manys the good coort I had there, but the left turn for Hiltown is a bit away from the square??

I know Onion Bag - it must be at least 20m.  Shows how much you know as well.  You we're obviously well 'in the bag' when you left it. They serve real beer in Kilcoo!
Title: Re:liatroim v kilcoo
Post by: bridgegael on August 09, 2007, 10:34:35 PM
not a great match.  certainly a game of two halves!!  liaotrim aided by a fairly strong wind in first half got off to a flier, doyle playing very well.  they got a lucky goal caused by a mix up between keeper and midfielder. second half was all kilcoo, laverty had a penalty and seemed to scuff his shot, bad miss.  liaotrim didn't even get a shot on goal in second half. overall draw was probably fair result.  i'd still go for the fontenoys in the replay, they are by far physically stronger than kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 09, 2007, 10:51:51 PM
had a coort with a bord from kilcoo years ago myself after the hilltown disco i was 16 feck thats 20 years ago, still remember her name,,, HELEN,,, she was lovely, missed the bus back to newry cause was trying my luck,,,,, happy days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 10, 2007, 12:14:52 AM
Quote from: Cloc Mor on August 09, 2007, 10:07:32 PM
QuoteThe Square in Kilcoo?  Couldn'd agree more Clocmor a greta wee place for some action.  Manys the good coort I had there, but the left turn for Hiltown is a bit away from the square??

I know Onion Bag - it must be at least 20m.  Shows how much you know as well.  You we're obviously well 'in the bag' when you left it. They serve real beer in Kilcoo!

Jeysus Cloc,  I knew it was a bit away from the square but 20miles?  Phew thats even further than I thought.  I  must have had too much of that good Kilcoo beer when I was there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 10, 2007, 12:29:32 AM
Sorry big lad but 20m = 20 metres.  You must have had too much beer- or spent too much time in the Square that night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 10, 2007, 08:48:17 AM

Ballygalget GAC All Ireland Grand Draw
Ticket cost £5 / €8

1st Prize: 4 Tickets for All Ireland Hurling Final plus accommodation for 4 people (2 rooms) in Jurys Croke Park Hotel for 1st and 2nd of September.
2nd Prize: £150
3rd Prize: £100
4th Prize: £50

Draw to take place 19th August 2007
Tickets can be got from any committee member or from Joe Dorrian

Full details on www.ballygalgetgac.com



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 10, 2007, 09:08:33 AM
Last nights game wasn't a great start to the championship football wise but at least the county board will be happy.  The ref was clearly playing for a draw in the last few minutes giving frees against both teams in an effort to keep the ball in mid field away from either set of goals.  Kilcoo had an absolute shocker of a first half which I can't see them repeating. 

Doyle was playing but had both wrists strapped up.  It was maybe an effort to hide which wrist was injured.  He had a good first half but faded in the second half, his fitness wouldn't just be there yet.  He missed a couple of first half frees that he would normally slot over.

I'm still sticking with Kilcoo to win the replay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 10, 2007, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: boscomo on August 09, 2007, 10:51:51 PM
had a coort with a bord from kilcoo years ago myself after the hilltown disco i was 16 feck thats 20 years ago, still remember her name,,, HELEN,,, she was lovely, missed the bus back to newry cause was trying my luck,,,,, happy days.
Brilliant,hard to beat a good coort Boscomo, did you take her down the famous "Factory lane?!"

Cant see Kilcoo getting off to a shocker like that in the replay. History nearly always shows that the better team wins the replay, and present league positions would suggest the Magpies will prevail.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 10, 2007, 10:15:48 PM
SFC
Bryansford 1-08  Clonduff 1-06

IFC
Glenn 0-08  Downpatrick 2-18

IFC
Kilclief 1-08  Saval 1-11


In regards to the Saval/Kilclief game, it was played at our pitch in Dundrum. Not a great game but not a total dud either. Saval led 1-06 to 0-04 at halftime. The Saval goal was a fortuitous enough effort midway through. Kilclief were anonymous during the 1st half.
The 2nd half was a very different story with Kilclief dominating. They scored a goal, had one dissallowed and had at least three goalbound shots saved by the Saval goalie.
Saval werent on top form by any means. Fintan Conway marked Danny Hughes out of the game with Hughes basically being neutralised. Best for Saval were Jonathan Hughes, Declan McCarthy and Cathal Donnelly (Did he used to play for Mayobridge?) at the back. Fergal McConville was their best forward. Peter Turley came as a sub in the 1st half but was taken off injured in the 2nd period.
Kilclief looked dangerous on the break but their keepers not so long kickouts really hindered them. Best for the Lecale men were Conway, Ronan Strain, Jonny Hanvey, Martin Craig and Ciaran Sloan.
Saval could go a long way now and with Darren Cunningham, Mark Digney and Gareth Dobbin to come back yet their prospects look good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 11, 2007, 02:31:06 AM
 Glenn were very disappointing tonight .Div 2 v Div 3 .Class(2 over 3) usually decides.Dundrum V Tecon and Bred v Carryduff.Predictions for the activity at Downpatrick tonight.Dundrum and Carryduff.imho
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on August 11, 2007, 08:36:53 AM
Saval are well fancied for the intermediate and some see Bryansford as an outside bet for the senior.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 11, 2007, 09:15:24 AM
southdown dont know what lane i went down but there was no factory at the end of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 11, 2007, 07:28:19 PM
Down IFC 1st Round

Dundrum 0-09  Teconnaught 1-02

Carryduff 1-07  Bredagh 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 11, 2007, 09:07:24 PM
pissed out of the heavens for the last 15 in the Bredagh Duff game, replay Wed night at the same venue.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 11, 2007, 10:32:34 PM
Carryduff v Bredagh

Bredagh outplayed their neighbours in the 1st half and only a fortuitous goal kept the Duff in it.

The 2nd half was a total turnaround.  Carryduff pinned Bredagh into their own half for most of it and Bredagh got out of jail with a late equalising free (not by EG).

Poor quality football but perhaps the very wet conditions account for that.  Bredagh to develop another string to their bow rather than persisting with the single minded scoring option that by now, the whole of Co Down knows about.  Having said that Enda still notched up 5 or 6pts although he did miss a couple of, for him, easy frees.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on August 12, 2007, 12:29:43 AM
Friday night - ACL Div 3: Saul 1-13 Mitchels 0-5

Now we can focus on the championship against old playoff rivals Ballymartin on Monday night, as the Mitchels win confirms a playoff place  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 12, 2007, 01:01:20 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 11, 2007, 09:07:24 PM
pissed out of the heavens for the last 15 in the Bredagh Duff game, replay Wed night at the same venue.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 12, 2007, 01:02:23 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 12, 2007, 01:01:20 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 11, 2007, 09:07:24 PM
pissed out of the heavens for the last 15 in the Bredagh Duff game, replay Wed night at the same venue.


Sorry

its now a Thursday replay at Daragh Cross
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 12, 2007, 12:14:35 PM
ACFL Division 3 Table (After Saul's win against Mitchels on Friday night)

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           20            32
Saul                20            29
Dundrum         20            27
Bredagh          20            25
--------------------------------------------
Bosco              20            22
Ardglass           19            21
Teconnaught    20            20
Drumgath         19            19
------------------------------------------
Glenn              20            18
Mitchels           20            11
Bright              20             8
St Pauls           20             6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 12, 2007, 12:19:05 PM
DF

any word on the Ardglass V Drungath "Abandoned" match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 12, 2007, 12:46:46 PM
No word as yet Square Ball. If what I hear is right then Drumgath will more than likely get the two points as it was Ardglass who were the main instigators in getting the game abandoned.
Its an unlikely scenario but if Drumgath do get the two points and then go on to win their remaining two games and Bredagh lose their last two then both teams will be equal on 25 points. Similarly providing that Bredagh lose their last two games (although I dont think they will), Ardglass if they pick up two wins will then be on 25 points. Again if Bosco win their remaining two fixtures then they will leapfrog Bredagh to 26 points. Its an unlikely scenario though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 12, 2007, 08:08:58 PM
SFC Result

Longstone 2-17 Drumgath 1-05
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on August 12, 2007, 09:29:42 PM
how did burren go?  next round should be interesting all teams of same ability apart from the bridge obviously,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 13, 2007, 07:32:50 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 12, 2007, 01:02:23 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 12, 2007, 01:01:20 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 11, 2007, 09:07:24 PM
pissed out of the heavens for the last 15 in the Bredagh Duff game, replay Wed night at the same venue.

Sorry

its now a Thursday replay at Daragh Cross
Now on Friday at 7, in Daragh Cross
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on August 13, 2007, 09:36:37 PM
Annaclone 1-8 Rostrevor 0-16

A disappointing defeat for Clone who actually led for most of the match but in fairness the better team probably won in the end.  It has to be said that Leo Smyth's refereeing was awful and how this man gets to referee senior championship matches I'll never know. During the match it seemed that he gave us nothing with some ludicrous decisions, on reflection he was probably as bad for both teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 13, 2007, 09:40:17 PM
I heard Ballymartin beat Saul in the IFC 0-16 to 1-02 in Ballykinlar tonight.

Anybody got the draw? I heard a rumour we (Dundrum) got Darragh Cross in the Quarter Finals of the IFC.
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Post by: southdown on August 13, 2007, 09:46:03 PM
Senior draw

Longstone v Kilcoo/Lietrim

Bridge v Rostrevor

Burren v Castlewellan

Loughinisland v Bryansford

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 13, 2007, 09:48:34 PM
SouthDown do u have the IFC draw handy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 13, 2007, 09:55:07 PM
Sorry, I only just heard the senior one there now, and I had bother remembering it.  Any predictions lads?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 13, 2007, 10:33:39 PM
IFC Quarter Final Draw

Downpatrick v Saval
Darragh Cross v Dundrum

Dont know the rest but the teams remaining are Ballymartin, Ballyholland, Carryduff/Bredagh, Ardglass/Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 14, 2007, 08:08:44 AM
Ballmartin 0.18 Saul 2.6,
DF heard a rumour Ballymartin now play Ballholland/Cduff/Breadagh-Tullyish/ardglass
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 14, 2007, 08:46:03 AM
IFC draw:

Downpatrick v Saval
Darragh Cross v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Carryduff/Bredagh
Ballyholland v Ardglass/Tullylish

It's not difficult to pick a tie of the round there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 14, 2007, 10:14:50 AM
Mayobridge 1-11 Attical 0-8
Last nights performance won't have put much fear into the teams left in the championship.  Leading 1-5 to no score after 16 mins I think we eased off a bit and they got a few scores and started to build some momentum.  We stuggled for the rest of the game to exert much dominance.  Not a great night for football, not a great game but sometimes you have to win ugly.

Rostrevor in the next round will be a tougher test.  Any word if Martin Cole is back with Rostrevor yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on August 14, 2007, 01:11:21 PM
was at the double header in the sfc in newry saturday.drumgath played well in the first half and the game went in level though some good frees from barry doran and a great point from out on the wing put the stone four points up stevie doran then got a goal and everyone knew what was going happen then.saw longstone beat the bridge last year in league semi they really impressed me that day but from the first half sunday they wont go too fat.they just love football up there.when ambrose rodgers went off in the second half you would have though the messiah was going off annd he wasnt that great to be honest.

burren the point wasnt much better though mckernan had a very good game for burren.the real championship will start next rounfd with all the big guns barring possibly kilcoo through.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 14, 2007, 02:48:17 PM
IFC
Downpatrick v Saval ----- Saval
Darragh Cross v Dundrum------ Daragh Cross
Ballymartin v Carryduff/Bredagh---- Ballymartin
Ballyholland v Ardglass/Tullylish---- Ballyholland

SFC
Longstone v Kilcoo/Lietrim------ Kilcoo
MayoBridge v Rostrevor----- Mayobridge
Burren v Castlewellan---------- Burren
Loughinisland v Bryansford-------- Bryansford

For once the IFC is very very tight, first time 5 good teams have been in the quarters in a  while.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownHead on August 14, 2007, 03:27:13 PM
IFC
Downpatrick v Saval ----- Saval
Darragh Cross v Dundrum------ Daragh Cross (by the minor margin)
Ballymartin v Carryduff/Bredagh---- Ballymartin
Ballyholland v Ardglass/Tullylish---- Ballyholland

This draw looks pretty conclusive. Saval to avoid their championship void and dump out Dwp. An easy one for Ballymartin as carryduff are finding it tough in div 2 while bredagh are a one route team which will be easily suzzed out by the mourne men. Ballyholland may find Tullyish a tough test as they have div 2 experience.

Which every way you look at it, past meetings and league form count for nothing in championship. Its only one game in which some of the teams have nothing to lose, others have the problem as favourites while other teams realish being the under dog.

Tie of the round has to be Darragh Cross v Dundrum --- could have an upset on our hands, but Darragh will surely go in as favourities.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: overcarrying on August 14, 2007, 06:56:39 PM
seen the double headed in Downpatrick, cant see either Carryduff or Bredagh game getting passed Ballymartin. Carryduff have a very tenuous hold on their division 2 status and Bredagh, well that a different kettle of fish all together. reading over the posts here and talking to others its obvious to the entire GAA community that they only have one way of playing, up the middle with the big hail Mary ball, works sometimes, but percentage wise the other night, didn't work and Carryduff made a few changes and cut the ball out. Fancy Carryduff on Friday night big style
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 14, 2007, 08:53:42 PM
Kilcoo beat liatroim by 6 in Hilltown...
any news on Ardglass/Tullylish??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on August 14, 2007, 09:17:19 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballela 3.11
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 14, 2007, 09:49:44 PM
JFC RESULT Bosco 1-10  Dromara 0-9
A scrappy affair played in wet conditions at Drumgath. Teams went in at half time 5 points apeice altough the city team had several wides and Dromara deserved to be level.
Bosco pushed harder in the 2nd period but agian their finishing let them down and the 4th div team where well in it until a masive side line ball from Bosco,s Colie Keenan sailed over the bar and a 60 minute goal form Neil Tumilty sealed a scrappy win for an out of sorts Bosco who on fairness where absent 7 1st team starters.
Dromara gave a good account of themselves and will feel very disapointed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 14, 2007, 09:51:19 PM
Tullylish beat Ardglass by 8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 14, 2007, 09:55:22 PM
Boscomo that must be a very different Bosco team that played us in Jack Mackin park. Your going to need to get all your boys fit and eager to go at it for the next rounds,some decent teams still left in the jfc. Dont suppose you heard how  st . micheals done againist mitchells or drumaness vs st. pauls?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 14, 2007, 10:17:00 PM
I have to say the SFC quarter finals look a really good fare. Even, interesting matches, Mayobridge being in one of their moods aside.

Rostrevor will spend the next 10 days trying to get into the same frame of mind that saw them play Mayobridge off the park in the 2005 final, and if they can reach that frame of mind, will give the Sky Blue a fair run for their money.

Kilcoo vs Longstone will be a frightening pace and should be the pick of the round. 'Stone would appear to have the better individuals, but Kilcoo have a great workrate and team ethic.

Bryansford vs Loughinisland won't be quite as frantic, but there'll be a lot of very decent individuals on show and should be good, hard-hitting stuff. Both sides are capable of playing good open football, but I've a feeling they'll be more interested in stopping each other.

Speaking of which, I reckon Burren and Castlewellan will be a pure war of attrition and could even verge on nastiness. There are a number of players on each side who've seen better days, but are prepared to cut loose and use whatever method necessary to get through. I' say Burren hold more aces, but if Town can their genuine first XV on the field, this could be their day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 14, 2007, 10:24:43 PM
dundrumite..........st.micheals v mitchels ended in a draw i beleive.
yes agree that we have had major  manpower problems but the 15 that played got us through, we where missing -----a coleman, n conlon, s fox, f downey, n mulvaney, n sheilds , t mcdonald ( all possable starters) n tumilty, k mccrink, and m dougan all came on tonight after layoffs with injuries, will have a full compliment for Ballykillner match.so we will be back to how we where playing when we met your goodselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smiler An Dun on August 15, 2007, 09:39:53 AM
Mitchells 1-13 St. Michaels 1-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on August 15, 2007, 09:54:56 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on August 14, 2007, 05:15:34 PM
Jut read over on the message board on hoganstand that the Ulster Council and Croke Park are trying to put on a match involving the PSNI before the All Ireland U21 hurling semi in Newry. Any truth in this or is it typical hoganstand?

Yes its true, Shamrocks club were only notified at the start of the week and it was presented to them as a fait d'acompli. The U10 hurlers from the club were due to play Na Fianna from Dublin in a friendly prior to the match but that is now taking place in Derrylecka as prominence is given to a "mickey mouse" game between BT and the PSNI as a PR stunt.
Croke Park, Ulster Council and County Board all involved in this and kept the club in the dark about it - no consideration for the club who will have to deal with the aftermath, potential vandalism to the club house etc by "dissidents" annoyed by the PSNI playing in the town. Will there be sniffer dogs etc at Pairc Esler on Saturday, what about the safety of the kids that use the facility on Saturday morning from U12/10 hurling.
Shamrocks are washing their hands of the event and all club memebrs have been instructed not to attend and the clubhouse will be locked - don't know who is going to steward probably just a crowd from the Ulster council - wouldn't be surprised if there were protests outside and indeed inside the ground. I think it is demeaning to the Derry and Dublin teams that an All Ireland semi final should eb used in this manner to promote a PR stunt.  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 15, 2007, 10:12:53 AM
1. Talk about a storm in a teacup.
2. Seamrogai enjoy a huge financial and infrastructure boost from being associated with the county ground. They shouldn't act like spoilt bastards because their under-10 hurlers can't play a friendly match on the ground. It worth repeating that it's their under-10 hurlers who can't play a friendly match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 15, 2007, 10:14:35 AM
what date is this match to take place between the police and BT?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on August 15, 2007, 10:24:21 AM
Wobbler you clown it has nothing to do with the U10s or indeed the senior challenge that is just a by product of the situation its that the club wasn't even consulted about this game. If you are so keen for it to take place why not host it in Ballyholland!

Reality is that this is a PR stunt, why weren't one of the Ulster League semi finals put on before this game, never heard of an inter-firms match before an All Ireland semi final in my life. This is the payback by the Ulster Council for their funding from the British Government - given that its a county ground surely it should have been discussed at the county board meeting?

I for one don't want to see sniffer dogs patrolling the inside of the county ground but that is exactly what will happen on Saturday! No need for the game and it demans the All Ireland semi hosting a media circus event like this on before it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 15, 2007, 12:53:03 PM
These dissident republicans have feck all support as it is, if they started threatening GAA members or damaging GAA property they'd destroy whatever little community support they have.  Its not going to happen.  You'll get the odd Celtic supporting bar stool republican giving off that will be the height of it. 

P.S. Anyone got the list of dates and venues for the next round of the championship.  I've heard the Bridge play Rostrevor in Newry on the Friday night (24th).  6:30 kick off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 15, 2007, 01:05:42 PM
DATE   AROUND A POUND                      VENUE   REFEREE
   INTERMEDIATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP                        
Thurs 23 Aug 6 45 pm   Daragh Cross      V   Dundrum         St Johns   P Brownlee
Sat 25th Aug 6 00pm   Tullylish         V   Ballyholland         Saval   H P Mc Cusker
Sun 26th Aug 4 15pm   Downpatrick      V   Saval         Clonduff   N Cousins
Sat 25th Aug 4 15pm   Ballymartin         V   Carryduff/Bredagh      DownpatrickS Lowey
                           
                           
DATE   POWERADE SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP            VENUE   REFEREE
Sun 26th Aug 6 00pm         Castlewellan      V   Burren         Clonduff   C Reynolds
Thurs 23rd Aug 6 45p        Klicoo         V   Longstone         Newcastle   G Tumelty
Sat 25 Aug 6 00pm         Bryansford      V   Loughinisland      DownpatrickS O Hanlon
Fri 24th Aug 6 45pm         Mayobridge      V   Rostrevor         Burren   P Brannigan
                           
DATE   JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP               VENUE   REFEREE
Sun 26th Aug 1 00pm   Ballykinlar         V   Bosco         Kilcoo   M Curran
Sun 26th Aug 1 00pm   Bright         V   St Johns         Daragh CrossL Morgan
Sun 26th Aug 1 00pm   Mitchels/St Micheals      V   Aghaderg                      Annaclone   P D Doyle
Mon 27th Aug 6 45pm   Drumaness         V   Aughlisnafinn      Liatroim   P Mc Clorey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on August 15, 2007, 07:19:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 15, 2007, 10:12:53 AM
1. Talk about a storm in a teacup.
2. Seamrogai enjoy a huge financial and infrastructure boost from being associated with the county ground. They shouldn't act like spoilt bastards because their under-10 hurlers can't play a friendly match on the ground. It worth repeating that it's their under-10 hurlers who can't play a friendly match.

Hold on there wobbler......there is hardly a boost to the shamrocks when their youth team CAN NOT play on their home pitch is there???? Since the pitch has been re laid etc NO juvenile team is even allowed to train or play on the pitch! Take a walk down smart arse and see the state the back pitch has been left in since the stand was built!

The powers that be came along and TOLD the shamrocks that this match was being played- end of! This sort of shite has been going on long enough!
Spoilt you say? How about you and a few other Harps up the road come down and look after the place on Saturday then or indeed take the game to your place!

Oh and by the way, what infrastructure boost are you talking about? The Stand? Catch a grip..
Financial boost you say..... as the only club in Newry to promote all gaelic games do you begrudge them it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 15, 2007, 10:29:02 PM
Lads, with the greatest respct, you are trying to make something out of nothing. If you want to make it out that Shamrocks are somehow oppressed as a result of having excellent facilities handed to them on a plate, well I suppose that is your right. Don't expect too much sympathy from around the county though.

Quotethere is hardly a boost to the shamrocks when their youth team CAN NOT play on their home pitch is there
It isn't a play park, it's a stadium. Not even a ground, but a stadium. It comes with a responsibility. Anyway, like all clubs in this county who have a second pitch, my own club tries to encourage as much training and matches as possible on that second pitch. This is why they are built.

QuoteSince the pitch has been re laid etc NO juvenile team is even allowed to train or play on the pitch!
Is this really the case? That no juvenile teams play on the pitch? But the seniors train on it? Are you sure the county board in all their supposed evilness can enforce this rule? For example, they let our reserves play a league game on it a month ago - do they really differentiate between reserve football and minor football or under-16 football? I'd love an honest answer here. As for training - well, if you have a second pitch, you should be doing most of your training on it. That's only common sense.

QuoteTake a walk down smart arse and see the state the back pitch has been left in since the stand was built!
Take a walk across some of the fields that held Championship football last week and you'll understand that Shamrocks no.2 pitch isn't the only victim of wet weather and over-consumption.

QuoteThe powers that be came along and TOLD the shamrocks that this match was being played- end of! This sort of shite has been going on long enough!
Again, you have to take the rough with the smooth. Sometimes its nice that a larger body wants to take care over your grounds, sometimes it's a pain in the arse that they want to share those grounds.

QuoteSpoilt you say?
When you get state of the art changing rooms built for nothing on your grounds next year, you do realise that around the same time there'll be members of clubs all across this county selling £100 tickets in the hope that they can build something half as good. Spoilt is too strong a word, but it is certainly a nice arrangement you have got going on.

QuoteHow about you and a few other Harps up the road come down and look after the place on Saturday then or indeed take the game to your place!
Can we have the intercounty matches as well while you're giving things away?

Really though, I may be misinformed here, but as the host club for Championship occasions receives 10% of the gate towards costs etc., I assume this arrangement carries on at other levels too. Newry always gets bigger games and bigger gates than anywhere else. If I'm wrong, and in fact the Shamrocks make nothing out of hosting games, then I take my hat off to your club and to how well they continually mobilise stewards and ticket collectors for matches. If I'm right though, you shouldn't behave like a spoiled child when you are asked to give a little bit extra back.

QuoteOh and by the way, what infrastructure boost are you talking about? The Stand? Catch a grip..
The stand, the prunty pitch, the floodlighting, the changing rooms in the pipeline. Shamrocks have the best facilities in the county and haven't had to pay too much to have that privilege. But I suppose you'd swap it all just for the right to host juvenile friendly matches whenever you want?

QuoteFinancial boost you say..... as the only club in Newry to promote all gaelic games do you begrudge them it?
For a South Down club, Shamrocks dedication to hurling is tremendous, and a credit to the club.  But your club simply are not the victims of some horrible atrocity as is portrayed above. They do better out of the arrangement with the county board than vice versa, and this shouldn't be forgotten.


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QuoteWobbler you clown it has nothing to do with the U10s or indeed the senior challenge that is just a by product of the situation its that the club wasn't even consulted about this game. If you are so keen for it to take place why not host it in Ballyholland!
All covered above

QuoteReality is that this is a PR stunt, why weren't one of the Ulster League semi finals put on before this game, never heard of an inter-firms match before an All Ireland semi final in my life.
Why get so upset about a PR stunt? At the end of the day, if it helps encourage acceptance of our games, it is a worthwhile experiment. Besides, A while ago I'd never heard of camogie and County Championship on the one bill, but it happens now.


QuoteThis is the payback by the Ulster Council for their funding from the British Government
Honestly now, do you really think that the British government could give a hundredth of a damn about this game? Really?

Quotegiven that its a county ground surely it should have been discussed at the county board meeting?
The reason why there is a management committee is so that trivial decisions such as pitch arrangements don't have to be passed by the county board.

QuoteI for one don't want to see sniffer dogs patrolling the inside of the county ground but that is exactly what will happen on Saturday!
I'm not quite sure of any dissident republican's motives, but placing devices in a GAA ground is no way to win support from nationalists - and almost everyone involved in this weekend's fixtures is a nationalist. Would even a crazed republican really take the risk leaving a device in Pairc Esler, in the hope that the PSNI sweep the place and find it, which if they don't, it will be one of the four year olds running around the terraces during a game who finds it?

QuoteNo need for the game and it demans the All Ireland semi hosting a media circus event like this on before it
I'm a Gael who lives not far from Pairc Esler, but only for reading this thread I would simply have had no idea this game was taking place. Some media circus that. This is old news. It's all been done before. Maybe not on Shamrocks ground, but all over Northern Ireland. I doubt very much if either local station will even cover it. If they send cameras, they'll only have to feature the hurling as well, and neither station is seemingly very keen on doing that.


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Anyway, here's my final point. This isn't a Ballyholland vs Shamrocks thing, and I'd really hope that you don't continue trying to drag this down as some petty local rivalry. I just honestly think that the two Shamrocks contributors here are making an awful lot of noise, but have no argument of substance as to why the county board are wrong here. It's a storm in a teacup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downgael on August 16, 2007, 10:09:29 AM
QuoteSince the pitch has been re laid etc NO juvenile team is even allowed to train or play on the pitch! Take a walk down smart arse and see the state the back pitch has been left in since the stand was built!

Last Sunday morning Shamrocks U10's played Mayobridge U10's on the Pitch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on August 16, 2007, 10:48:47 AM
Wobbler - a couple of points firstly your assertion that the powers that be don't give a damn about the game. If they don't why was Nicky Brennan on the phone to club officials quoting that this had been "arranged" weeks ago between Bertie Ahen, Mulvihill and Martin Mc Guinness - they are playing politics with our games and getting away with it.

To be honest I agree that the pitch etc is a great boost for the club and that we have the advantage of not having to undertake some of the financial burden other clubs have to get similar facilties and yet it is a double edged sword as this occasion proves. Personally I'd be happeir to just have a seperate hurling club well away from the whole set up as our juvenile ranks particularly at U12/10 is made up of young players who play for other football clubs such as Ballyholland, Saval, Burren, Mitchels etc henec oru drive at underage to promote the club as Cumann Iomana Iuir Cinn Tra (Newry Hurling Club) so the kids feel as welcome as possible to come down and hurl.

The whole issue with the kids here was that an arrangement had been made for them to play at half time in the Derry V Dublin game and provide a guard of honour to the teams (effort to promote hurling in the locality) - these all had to be shelved as a result of the PSNI game and the way it was handled.

The hurling club also has a lot of PR lined up to promote the game in the week leading up to the game but again it was all pulled as a result of this PR stunt. If Brennan etc are so keen to make a PR stunt why not take the game to Croke Park! Down Minor Academy are playing Sligo in the Minor C Hurling Final - will they get a high profile match to play in front of ? Not likely Croke Park aren't even going to fix the game and have told the two counties to arrange it themselves - so a PR stunt involving the PSNI being played for poltiical reasons is more important to Croke Park than an All Ireland final involving two parts of the country struggling to promote the most ancient of Irish games. Sums up the GAA hierarchy.

I have no argument with the issues you are making about the facilties Wobbler but I'm hopping mad that a great opportunity to promote hurling in this area had been sacrificed for political expediency - why don't the politicians f*** off and lets us play and promote our games. :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 16, 2007, 10:52:56 AM
 Well said!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on August 16, 2007, 11:54:05 AM
Some people dont know when they are winning.

The war is over FFS.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 16, 2007, 01:39:34 PM
Tonight Bryansford Gaels meet and this coincides with the County Board Meeting in the Donard Hotel - Peter Quinn Ex-Gaa President will address both meetings......

I must admit I have viewed the proposed Bryansford site and am excited about the potential of it, but I am sure alot of people will be opposing any move.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on August 16, 2007, 01:58:29 PM
I see this as a win/win for both Byransford and the county. Bryansford get a new club facility without debt and under their own ownership rather than the county while the county get the financial boost that is badly required to clear the debts and allow us to build the state of the art training facilties required.

When you look at other counties such as Monaghan, Meath, Derry etc and view their facilities against ours it would put you to shame. One of the greatest head-aches for any county manager in Down is getting pitches for matches/training and selling St Patrick's park allows us to get the finance for this as well as set the county up financial for the forseeable future as well as ensuring that Byransford are catered for as well.

All positive as far as i am concerned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 16, 2007, 02:07:07 PM
Spirit - Are you allowed to say where the proposed site is?   Why is Peter Quinn being brought in?  Is he attempting to mediate or something?

If the Ford membership vote no to any move, can the Co. Board move ahead without your approval?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 16, 2007, 02:43:36 PM
Aidan the membership not agreeing will only delay the sale - John Miskelly is the key to all this - he is the developer apparently fronting the deal.

The land is 17 acres located on the beginning of the Burrenbridge Road - first left after Bryansford Chapel coming from the village.
We got Quinn involved to mediate as the club was being shafted by the county on any deals on the table in the early stages of this.

4 pitches can be built easy with parking for 200 and then a clubhouse - massive site
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 16, 2007, 03:07:57 PM
Sounds good but are you not worried about the distance from the main population.  Parents are only to happy to let their kids walk to your pitch for an hour and halfs free baby sitting.  When they have to get up and leave them and then collect them again it might not be so appealing.  The Ford might have to start running a mini bus service?  Is the junction of the Burrenbridge road on a bad bend?

Sounds like a wise move getting a shwred operator like Quinn in to advice the club.  What he says on your behalf at the county board meeting will carry more weight than just about anyone else you could have got.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 16, 2007, 03:25:40 PM
I think the parents should remember that the club there children play for is called Bryansford, and not Newcastle.  The club should be based in Bryansford and if the parents have objections they should maybe form a new team called Newcastle! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 16, 2007, 03:40:46 PM
 From a county wide viewpoint it seems to be good as long as Bryansford are happy. Who is going to look after the coffers?Who is going to advise/manage the CB .Could we not hijack Peter Quinn and keep in Down for 3 years of penal servitude.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 16, 2007, 05:22:20 PM
I think this is a great deal for all Down people.  I agree that Bryansford must be accommodated and the deal must be done with their support.  There is no way a green field site will be found close to the town and this will cause problems.  Most other clubs cope with famiilies living some distance from their playing fields meaning parents having to put themselves out to leave their kids to training/matches.  The people of Newcastle have the facilities, at present, on their doorstep and sacrifices will have to be made.  They will be given 'state-of-the-art' facilities to cater for all the teams they have at present - something St. Patrick's Park cannot deal with.

A Centre of Excellence can then be established - something we are really in need of.  I believe we need professional people to ensure that this project is carried out for the good of the people of Down.  The County Board have been inept in carrying out many of their duties which has put us in the position we presently find ourselves in.

I also believe that the coaching structures in place are extremely inadequate and 'real' money should be made available to ensure that proper coaches can be employed for the future good of Down football.  We need a coach for every 3 or 4 Primary Schools if we want to catch up with some other counties.  Its is evident that we are way behind alot of other counties and 2 or 3 coaches for the whole of Down will not help us.

We are all looking forward for a positive response fron Newcastle tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on August 16, 2007, 05:34:53 PM
 It's a short/medium/long term gains for all involved.It would be nice for the GAA to take something from the British in the form of one it's Multinational.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on August 16, 2007, 06:23:00 PM
[quote author=thewobbler link=topic=25.msg141777#msg141777 date=11872133

Lads, with the greatest respct, you are trying to make something out of nothing. If you want to make it out that Shamrocks are somehow oppressed as a result of having excellent facilities handed to them on a plate, well I suppose that is your right. Don't expect too much sympathy from around the county though.

Handed on a plate.........the current changing room complex was built by the shamrocks as was the social club, yes there are new rooms in the pipeline but this will make no difference to the shamrocks! No member of the shamrocks expects any sympathy from anyone around the county so why are you implying that we would??

QuoteThe powers that be came along and TOLD the shamrocks that this match was being played- end of! This sort of shite has been going on long enough!
Again, you have to take the rough with the smooth. Sometimes its nice that a larger body wants to take care over your grounds, sometimes it's a pain in the arse that they want to share those grounds.

who took care and put the money into the up keep of the ground prior to development wobbler?? Ask around and you will find out it was the shamrocks who did this with no fuss and did a good job too.

QuoteSpoilt you say?
When you get state of the art changing rooms built for nothing on your grounds next year, you do realise that around the same time there'll be members of clubs all across this county selling £100 tickets in the hope that they can build something half as good. Spoilt is too strong a word, but it is certainly a nice arrangement you have got going on.

Again as i said the existing changing room complex is ideal but the county board want to upgrade it...what do you want the shamrocks to do??

Really though, I may be misinformed here, but as the host club for Championship occasions receives 10% of the gate towards costs etc., I assume this arrangement carries on at other levels too. Newry always gets bigger games and bigger gates than anywhere else. If I'm wrong, and in fact the Shamrocks make nothing out of hosting games, then I take my hat off to your club and to how well they continually mobilise stewards and ticket collectors for matches. If I'm right though, you shouldn't behave like a spoiled child when you are asked to give a little bit extra back.

How many ticket collectors are about on match days wobbler??
QuoteOh and by the way, what infrastructure boost are you talking about? The Stand? Catch a grip..
The stand, the prunty pitch, the floodlighting, the changing rooms in the pipeline. Shamrocks have the best facilities in the county and haven't had to pay too much to have that privilege. But I suppose you'd swap it all just for the right to host juvenile friendly matches whenever you want?

The floodlighting.....you prune, this shows how tuned in you are wobbly...sure the seniors train under them every night!!!! Going by what your saying....the county teams have used the changing rooms for years and havent had to pay too much for that privlege.... you come across quite bitter.

QuoteFinancial boost you say..... as the only club in Newry to promote all gaelic games do you begrudge them it?
For a South Down club, Shamrocks dedication to hurling is tremendous, and a credit to the club.  But your club simply are not the victims of some horrible atrocity as is portrayed above. They do better out of the arrangement with the county board than vice versa, and this shouldn't be forgotten.

What atrocity has been portrayed? You were the one who started to spit fire and accuse the club of being spoilt bastards?? And by the way the issue is not with the county board it is with more with the ulster council.

End of discussion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on August 16, 2007, 08:40:18 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 01, 2007, 04:35:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 01, 2007, 01:45:44 PM
10% rule?

Only percentage rule I'm aware of is that the bottom 2 teams must each have at least 30% of the top team's points tally to avoid automatic relegation.

This is rounded down i.e.

- If Saval finish top with 30 points, bottom teams need ((30/10) * 3 = 9) 9 points to avoid relegation.
- If Saval finish top with 31 points, bottom teams need ((31/10) * 3 = 9.3) 9.3 points to avoid relegation. This is rounded down to 9 points required.
- If Saval finish top with 32 points, bottom teams need ((32/10) * 3 = 9.6) 9.6 points to avoid relegation. This is rounded down to 9 points required.
- If Saval finish top with 33 points, bottom teams need ((33/10) * 3 = 9.9) 9.9 points to avoid relegation. This is still rounded down to 9 points required.
- If Saval finish top with 34 points, bottom teams need ((34/10) * 3 = 10.2) 10.2 points to avoid relegation. This is rounded down to 10 points required.


Wobbler 9.6 and 9.9 are actually rounded up as per conventional mathematics ruling--this was definitely the case in previous years.


Quote from: thewobbler on August 01, 2007, 04:36:48 PM
We've definitely got 24 points now.

If Hoops beat you Friday night, then you would have to win your last 2 and hope they lose their last 2, and that Harps drop 5pts out of 6.

If you win on Friday night and we lose to Ballymartin, it's all in your own hands, as we play you next.



6 Sams - maybe a long time ago, but it's been rounded down for the past 4 seasons at least.

Wobbler sorry to drag this up again but do you have any specific examples of this? I've been told by a semi official source that 6th sams interpretation of rounding up as per normal mathematical rules is correct.

Ps I'm hoping you are correct btw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 16, 2007, 09:55:05 PM
Passed It - when we were in a precarious position in Division I two years ago, I phoned Seamus Walsh about this issue a number of times. I was reassured that clubs who almost meet the criteria would never be punished, i.e. the 30% rule is rounded down to the nearest integer. The 30% rule was apparently designed to relegate teams who clearly aren't up to the grade, not to punish those who are on the borders of it.

When I think about it I imagine though, it has probably never been properly specified in a rulebook anywhere. The 30% rule was actually only introduced after Bosco went the whole season in Division II with only one win, but were only relegated by the skins of their teeth through the play-off system. Boscomo could probably tell you the exact season, but around 2001-2002 would probably not be far off the mark. There is a fair chance that in those 5-6 years, no club has actually been in a position to contest or counter-contest what way 30% is worked out.

So given this, while I trust Mr Walsh's word inherently, I suppose there is a very good chance that other members of the board would have a different intepretation of proceedings.

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redandblackjack, I note you have ended the discussion. Perhaps when you take off your green and white glasses and are able to see things from the perspective of others, we should reopen it. You clubmate has the grace to admit that he's hurling mad and also that the Shamrocks have benefitted from their ongoing arrangement with the county board. Meanwhile, you are continuing to give the impression that Shamrocks are being treated like lepers in their own house.
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Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 17, 2007, 08:20:57 AM
Bryansford and Down County Board have both agreed on the sale of St Patricks Park. Check www.bryansford.com for details.
Historic night for all.
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Post by: amallon on August 17, 2007, 09:21:06 AM
Historic all right.  I know £1.25 mil sounds like a lot but it might not go that far when you have 3 or more pitches to lay and club rooms to build. 

Have you any idea how much the Co. Board will have left to develop its own facilities?
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Post by: johnneycool on August 17, 2007, 09:48:24 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 17, 2007, 09:21:06 AM
Historic all right.  I know £1.25 mil sounds like a lot but it might not go that far when you have 3 or more pitches to lay and club rooms to build. 

Have you any idea how much the Co. Board will have left to develop its own facilities?

Figures bandied about at the start of the year were in and around the 17 million mark and that with a few lads with good contacts. I haven't heard a thing since
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Post by: Smiler An Dun on August 17, 2007, 09:54:27 AM
Whilst this is good news for the Bryansford club, there is still going to be a lot of work needed to be done from the county board side of things.  For example, where is the new Centre of Excellence/training facilities/what ever you are going to call it,  going to be located and how easily will it be for them to acquire the required land.  At least Bryansford have their location pointed out.

Will the county now have a second county field to play games on or is Pairc Esler going to be used as the only venue.  No doubt great work has been done in Newry but surely it can't cope with games all year round. and with the proposed work on the new changing room area, they will need an alternative venue.
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Post by: southdown on August 17, 2007, 10:44:38 AM
Ladbrokes bookies have come up with the following odds for the SFC:

Longstone 8/1
Kilcoo 7/1
Burren 5/1
Mayobridge 4/5
Rostrevor 16/1
Castlewellan 14/1
Loughinisland 14/1
Bryansford 10/1

Very suprised at Rostrevor's odds!
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Post by: wobbller on August 17, 2007, 10:54:36 AM
 Any odds for the IFC?
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Post by: DownFanatic on August 17, 2007, 11:34:57 AM
Wobbller, Ive no idea about odds for the IFC but the teams could ranked by favorites down as the following:

Saval
Ballymartin
Downpatrick
Ballyholland
Darragh Cross
Tullylish
Carryduff
Dundrum
Bredagh

Any fancy having a go at supplying some odds?
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Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on August 17, 2007, 11:39:13 AM
Johnny Cool - who do you fancy for the IHC game tonight, I think I'll take a trip down to it. Personally I am going to back Ballygalget to win this one as I assume they will line out fairly strong ahead of the senior championship with Dingy and Bale etc available to play. That will make it two Ards teams in the final and we will then have the nonesense of effectively "banning" 30 players from one of the Ards clubs playing championship hurling next year.

At the hurling convention this year I intend raising the point that if Liatriom were allowed play again this year how can they ban the winners of the championship this year if they happen to come from the Ards.
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Post by: Whitehair on August 17, 2007, 11:53:36 AM
Wats the time and venue for the match?
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Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on August 17, 2007, 12:03:41 PM
Its down for Kilclief at 7pm tonight - I see they took the Ballea and Bredagh game along with the Warrenpoint V Ballycran match to Darragh Cross. Get there early Whitehair or prepare to change in the kitchen like us!

How do you end up with Bredagh I thought the draw for the semi-finals had already previously been made, with the Crans due to play Bredagh? Think I might go to that as well, could be the pick of the hurling matches over the weekend, certainly beats watching the "peelers" in Pairc Esler on Saturday evening!   ;)
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Post by: amallon on August 17, 2007, 12:10:40 PM
Longstone 8/1
Kilcoo 7/1
Burren 5/1
Mayobridge 4/5
Rostrevor 16/1
Castlewellan 14/1
Loughinisland 14/1
Bryansford 10/1

Some crazy odds there.  Kilcoo 7-1 and the Ford 10-1 are very generous.  4-5 is very very short on the Bridge.
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Post by: goldenyears on August 17, 2007, 12:12:55 PM
downfanatic, how do you support your rankings for the IFC title? whats it based on?
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Post by: thewobbler on August 17, 2007, 12:22:22 PM
I'd say the bookie in question here is just being a bit sharper than most bookies have been in recent years with Down Championship.

It really is a case of playing Mayobridge against the field. The bookie here thinks Mayobridge are sure things, so is basically trying to get money from wherever he can on any other team by offering seemingly tasty prices.

Rostrevor are justifiably 16/1 because they'll probably go out in the next round. Even if they pull off the shock of the year vs Mayobridge, they would still have to beat two equal or better opponents after that to land the cup.


As for the IFC, if I was a bookie I'd now be trying to avoid money on Ballyholland or Ballymartin, as given the draw they've landed, both should be taking their places in the semi-finals. Neither Saval nor Downpatrick is no longer a sure thing to make it there.
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Post by: amallon on August 17, 2007, 12:30:01 PM
I can understand us being favourites but not 4-5 favourites!  I'd have Kilcoo in as second favourites at 3's or 4's. 
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Post by: Bacon on August 17, 2007, 01:33:44 PM
What time are the matches in the JHC on sunday? I thought Ballygalget/Liatroim was on Saturday.
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Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on August 17, 2007, 01:44:22 PM
Bredagh V Ballea was in the paper for 3pm, not sure of the Warrenpoint V Crans match though assume it will be on before the "main event".

Liatriom game definitely tonight was speaking to one of their players last night.
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Post by: Bacon on August 17, 2007, 01:54:58 PM
Thanks
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Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 17, 2007, 02:22:46 PM
Anybody know what SFL Div 1 games are scheduled tonight? The seven day rule will effect some I imagine - Bryansford v An Riocht is on though in Newcastle at 7pm - after this we have one game left loughinisland at home.
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Post by: No1 on August 17, 2007, 02:28:34 PM
QuoteAs for the IFC, if I was a bookie I'd now be trying to avoid money on Ballyholland or Ballymartin, as given the draw they've landed, both should be taking their places in the semi-finals. Neither Saval nor Downpatrick is no longer a sure thing to make it there.

I'd agree with wobbs.  The IFC favourites should be in this order: Ballyholland, Ballymartin, Saval/RGU.

Have yiz a full squad tonight wobbs?  

Our season is as good as finished.  Some of our boys are at a wedding today and it'll be hard to motivate the rest of them if they think winning will do the RGU a favour!
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Post by: johnneycool on August 17, 2007, 03:25:38 PM
Quote from: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on August 17, 2007, 11:39:13 AM
Johnny Cool - who do you fancy for the IHC game tonight, I think I'll take a trip down to it. Personally I am going to back Ballygalget to win this one as I assume they will line out fairly strong ahead of the senior championship with Dingy and Bale etc available to play. That will make it two Ards teams in the final and we will then have the nonesense of effectively "banning" 30 players from one of the Ards clubs playing championship hurling next year.

At the hurling convention this year I intend raising the point that if Liatriom were allowed play again this year how can they ban the winners of the championship this year if they happen to come from the Ards.

I'd obviously fancy ourselves to see off Liatroim but we're very much an up and down outfit at the minute. Dingy is expected to make his comeback tonight after being out for the better part of the year, but if we are going to struggle it'll be further back down the field as we may lack a bit of speed in defence at times. Some of the lads aren't the cutest when it comes to defending so we'll need to be careful with the free count. Spike is training away for the first time in a long time and will be our main scoring threat now that's he's got a lot fitter than his usual budgy self. Don't know enough about Liatroim other than the two Browns and big Jerome, but I'd hope we'd play all our hurling up the wings as that's where we are at our strongest in the forwards anyway.
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Post by: thewobbler on August 17, 2007, 04:10:23 PM
We've a couple missing as well No.1. I just hope it's the same Kilciief that turned up in Ballyholland last year, and not the one we met up in your place in May.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 17, 2007, 08:58:29 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Dundrum 0-19  Glenn 3-05


Down IFC 1st Round Replay

Carryduff 3-09  Bredagh 2-06
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Post by: Smiler An Dun on August 17, 2007, 09:06:10 PM
st michaels beat aghaderg tonight by a point, to gain the runners up place from the fourth division.
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Post by: boscomo on August 17, 2007, 09:52:04 PM
bosco beat drumgath by 12 points tonight, bosco played well in stages drumgath just looked to fulfill the fixture
but credit to the bosco who had several of their key players back.
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Post by: southdown on August 17, 2007, 10:09:39 PM
Glasdrumman beat Ballymartin by 6

An Riocht beat Bryansford
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Post by: passedit on August 17, 2007, 10:27:34 PM
St Pauls beat Bright, Tullylish beat Saul
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Post by: Lecale2 on August 17, 2007, 11:18:33 PM
IHC semi final: ballygalget 1-17 2-06 Liatroim
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Post by: cloneman on August 17, 2007, 11:45:52 PM
Shamrocks 0-15 Annaclone 0-18
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Post by: Square Ball on August 18, 2007, 01:41:01 AM
was there any league matches tonight in Div 3?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on August 18, 2007, 07:48:31 AM
fcuk div. 3 does anyone have the results from div.1?
we beat the bridge handy enough
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Post by: boscomo on August 18, 2007, 09:14:29 AM
wobbller they had 10 men on the pitch at 7.10 pm and had to make subs as better players came along, i would love to take all the credit and say bosco outplayed , out jumped them out scored them which in big parts they did but there was something missing mate, but we will take to points anyway.
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Post by: DownFanatic on August 18, 2007, 10:06:58 AM
ACFL Division 3 Table

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           21            34             Playoffs
Saul                21            29             Playoffs
Dundrum         21            29             Playoffs
Bredagh          20            25
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Bosco              21            24
Teconnaught    21           22
Ardglass           20            21
Drumgath         20            19
---------------------------------------------
Glenn              21            18
Mitchels           20            11
Bright              21             8         
St Pauls           21             8         


Outstanding Fixtures: Bredagh v Mitchels, Ardglass v Drumgath

In regards to the Promotion Playoffs - Tullylish, Saul and Dundrum - are there already. Bredagh need only one win out of their remaining two games to get the last spot. Bosco have a chance here also. If Bredagh somehow lose their last two games and Bosco win their final game then it will be the Newry men who get the last playoff spot.
In the most unlikely of situations, if Bredagh lose their last two games and Bosco lose their last game, then if Ardglass can beat Drumgath in their refixture and win their last game against Dundrum then they would be level with Bredagh on 25 points.

In regards to the relegation situation - Bright and St Pauls need to win their last games to get themselves to 10 points. Regardless if Tullylish win or lose their last game this will then force a playoff between St Pauls, Bright, Mitchels and one from Glenn or Drumgath. If Bright or St Pauls both lose their last games then they go down automatically. Similarly if they draw their last games they will go down aswell. Again, if one of them loses and one of them wins then one of them will go down automatically and one of them will be in a three way playoff.
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Post by: sabhallphadraig on August 18, 2007, 12:35:01 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 18, 2007, 10:06:58 AM
In regards to the Promotion Playoffs - Tullylish, Saul and Dundrum - are there already. Bredagh need only one win out of their remaining two games to get the last spot. Bosco have a chance here also. If Bredagh somehow lose their last two games and Bosco win their final game then it will be the Newry men who get the last playoff spot.
In the most unlikely of situations, if Bredagh lose their last two games and Bosco lose their last game, then if Ardglass can beat Drumgath in their refixture and win their last game against Dundrum then they would be level with Bredagh on 25 points.

In regards to the relegation situation - Bright and St Pauls need to win their last games to get themselves to 10 points. Regardless if Tullylish win or lose their last game this will then force a playoff between St Pauls, Bright, Mitchels and one from Glenn or Drumgath. If Bright or St Pauls both lose their last games then they go down automatically. Similarly if they draw their last games they will go down aswell. Again, if one of them loses and one of them wins then one of them will go down automatically and one of them will be in a three way playoff.

Cheers DownFanatic - excellent work as usual - thanks to you and other contributors we've had an almost live channel here dedicated to Div 3 through the season. Looks like we'll get you first in the playoffs whatever happens in the last games. Overall, it looks like a very competitive playoff picture in Div 3 - I'm assuming Bredagh make it but Bosco if they pull off the miracle finish would also make it a strong playoff set - each team knows each other well by this stage and this will go all the way. The final round of league games - when are they fixed for? Next Friday?
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Post by: southdown on August 18, 2007, 12:45:57 PM
I agree with the above comment regarding division 3, some excellent contributions and views on the Division.
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Post by: passedit on August 18, 2007, 02:09:01 PM
QuoteIn regards to the relegation situation - Bright and St Pauls need to win their last games to get themselves to 10 points. Regardless if Tullylish win or lose their last game this will then force a playoff between St Pauls, Bright, Mitchels and one from Glenn or Drumgath.

St Pauls have been informed that the fractions are as follows
.01 - .499 = rounded down
.5 - .999 = rounded up.

In division three this means that if Tullylish draw or win their last match, Bright and St Pauls are gone regardless. If Tullylish lose, then Bright and St Pauls can make the playoffs only if they win their last game. Now if Wobbler or anyone else can point me to an instance in the past when a margin > .5 was rounded down I'd be very interested to hear of it (and if you could throw in Fergal Logan's phone number it would save me looking it up  ;D )

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on August 18, 2007, 04:18:06 PM
wobbler with my reference to us getting it handy against the bridge i was being sacastic you nob,  ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Colonel Cool on August 18, 2007, 08:51:34 PM
IHC Semi Final
Ballycran 1-11 3-03 Portaferry
Very poor conditions in Ballygalget this evening. Good win for the Crans. Now for Ballygalget in the final.
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Post by: dundrumite on August 19, 2007, 01:27:25 PM
Any word on the championship match between Bredagh and carryduff? our bredagh posters have been unusually quiet on this one?
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Post by: Lecale2 on August 19, 2007, 01:33:53 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 19, 2007, 01:27:25 PM
Any word on the championship match between Bredagh and carryduff? our bredagh posters have been unusually quiet on this one?

A weakened Bredagh team well beaten on the night by their stronger neighbours. Not much more to say really. Disappointing but you move on. Hopefully the hurlers will do better later today against Ballela.

What are you doing on here on a Sunday Dundrumite? Should you not be at your car boot sale?
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Post by: lecale4 on August 19, 2007, 01:40:40 PM
Carryduff deserved the win (3-09 2-06 was the correct score) - Rory Gardiner (son of Bredagh legend and Down midfielder Bill) ran the show. Without Jody Gormley the Bredagh backline always looked vulnerable.
On the positive side Bredagh finished with 4 minors and one u-19 on the pitch - they all played well and right to the end.
The Duff look doomed to Div 3 - maybe we'll avoid them if we get up - if not, the prospect of a couple of tasty derby's next year would be good. 
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Post by: dundrumite on August 19, 2007, 03:32:09 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 19, 2007, 01:33:53 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 19, 2007, 01:27:25 PM
Any word on the championship match between Bredagh and carryduff? our bredagh posters have been unusually quiet on this one?

A weakened Bredagh team well beaten on the night by their stronger neighbours. Not much more to say really. Disappointing but you move on. Hopefully the hurlers will do better later today against Ballela.

What are you doing on here on a Sunday Dundrumite? Should you not be at your car boot sale?

Why would I be?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 19, 2007, 05:05:00 PM
Bredagh 2.10- balella 0.7 in the JHC.

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Post by: Lecale2 on August 19, 2007, 10:13:11 PM
Big win for Bredagh in the Junior Hurling. 2-10 to 0-08. I hear Warrenpoint beat Ballycran by a point in the second match. Great performance by the Bredagh lads.
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Post by: Aristotle Flynn on August 20, 2007, 09:21:26 AM
I heard that St Michael's won promotion to Div 3 with a win on Friday night. They shouldn't be allowed to play in Down after the way they get on. They're a shower of Lurgan, Armagh, Buckfast drinking bastards.
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Post by: Smiler An Dun on August 20, 2007, 09:42:43 AM
ach now Aristotle, lay off with the insults, like really, armagh???    everything else stands tho up to a point..   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 20, 2007, 09:43:40 AM
say how you feel aristotle! ;)

could drumgath go from senior champ to junior champ in one season??
is it really gonna happen? who is their last fixture

shamrocks and wpoint in bottom 4 play offs? or is it bottom 3, carryduff auto relegated??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 20, 2007, 10:09:09 AM
Drumgath face two difficult games left, both away to Bosco and Saul.
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Post by: thewobbler on August 20, 2007, 10:28:09 AM
Carryduff need at least 4 points (possibly 5) from their last 3 games (Shamrocks away, Ballyholland and Hoops at home) to avoid automatic relegation. That's a tough order against 3 teams who all need points as well at this stage of the season.

I've no idea what happens if teams are level on points for the bottom four (if scoring difference or play-offs are used), but if Clann na Banna can get a point or more in Saval, it's looking like that could happen.

Shamrocks travel to Darragh Cross next week and even though they have the safety gap of playing Carryduff at home afterwards, a loss there would make for a very nervy last day of the season.

Warrenpoint need at least a draw at home to Annaclone to avoid the play-offs, when Annaclone need at least a point to be sure of making the top four.

I'd be worried if I was from the Point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 20, 2007, 04:55:28 PM
 One of the previous posters mentioned that Ardglass v Drumgath Div 3 match was going to be refixed?  Why? Was it not abandoned? Will this not be sorted within the committees?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 20, 2007, 07:28:00 PM
Quote from: wobbller on August 20, 2007, 04:55:28 PM
One of the previous posters mentioned that Ardglass v Drumgath Div 3 match was going to be refixed?  Why? Was it not abandoned? Will this not be sorted within the committees?

yeah, DF where did you get that from? was talking to an Ardglass man at the weekend and he was still talking about waiting for the result to be awarded
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 20, 2007, 09:56:17 PM
Square Ball, Wobbller, the Drumgath v Ardglass game may still be replayed. At the time it was believed that the game was abandoned due to ill discipline towards the referee from the Ardglass players. Therefore the result would be that Drumgath get the points.
However, it appears that the referee's report states that the game was abandoned because of the dense fog. In this outcome the game would have to be replayed.
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Post by: wobbller on August 21, 2007, 12:31:45 AM
 Pretty sad.
I suggest at this time of the night who should DELETE this post before anyone else sees it.PLEASE!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on August 21, 2007, 08:22:41 AM
Discusting first post! I too was in Darragh Cross and we must have been watching different games.  The Hogg played centre back and had an excellent game. The fact that Ballela scored one point playing with a strong breeze in the second half says it all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 21, 2007, 09:45:30 AM
You would have to wonder what motivates someone to go to the bother of registering here late at night to post nasty shite like that. Sad.
Danny was excellent on Sunday as I'm sure anyone who was at the match will confirm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pearses on August 21, 2007, 10:13:49 AM
rosoco - p***k.

anyone hear the result of mitchells v st michaels in the jfc last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownHead on August 21, 2007, 10:25:33 AM
Rosco Check out www.hoganstand.com , a site full with tubes, with usless comments.

you'd be more than welcome!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 21, 2007, 10:37:29 AM
can someone not contact one of the moderators directly and ask them to remove that. its not on. especially given the service that man has given to the game of hurling throughout his life. shows how little respect some so called gaa men have. if you ask me this is becoming more and more of a problem in our games - people prefer to hurl abuse than get off their arses and do something to promote the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smiler An Dun on August 21, 2007, 10:45:03 AM
JFC Replay

Mitchells 1-13  St. Michaels 2-14 (aet)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on August 21, 2007, 11:07:05 AM
Can't believe that the post regarding Danny was allowed, it was an absolute disgrace. This is a man who gave sterling service to Down hurling for many years and continues to do so through the promotion of under-age hurling in his own club. Don't know about anyone else but I'd say there are plenty of Junior teams in Down who be glad to still have the Hogg in their ranks, gave Ciaran Courtney a hard time of it last year up in Bredagh and there's not too many guys at any level can say that over the past couple of years so that shows he still has it to perform at intermediate/junior.

The question I'd ask the poster is this why do you think Danny is still playing? Its hardly for the glory given what he has previous won, the simple reason is to help hurling establish itself in his adopted club and provide some experience and guindance to the many young players Bredagh have coming through and most of all for the love of the game - something you clearly would know nothing about!

As for Cormac Hughes, as someone who has coached him he is a fine young prospect and played extremely well for the Academy when they qualified for the All Ireland final so you are wrong on that point as well! :-[
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Post by: wally on August 21, 2007, 03:51:21 PM
DF - can you confirm that your goalkeeper came off injured against Glenn on Friday night?  If that is the case, is he badly injured?  I have heard that he has done his back in big time and is not fit for Thursday night?  At least you have that young fella who came against Glen when you played them away, it is good see young fellas taking a keen interest in the position between the sticks !
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Post by: dundrumite on August 21, 2007, 04:32:17 PM
Quote from: wally on August 21, 2007, 03:51:21 PM
DF - can you confirm that your goalkeeper came off injured against Glenn on Friday night?  If that is the case, is he badly injured?  I have heard that he has done his back in big time and is not fit for Thursday night?  At least you have that young fella who came against Glen when you played them away, it is good see young fellas taking a keen interest in the position between the sticks !

Wally that is a couple of posts you have made regarding the dundrum keeper, firstly regarding if he is related to ned and secondly about if he is injured?? u seem to have a vested interest in him, u his agent or a relative?
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Post by: Caman Warrior on August 21, 2007, 04:41:25 PM
I would like to come back on the first post Re: Danny Hughes. Such an attack on Danny and his son is appalling and narrow minded and should be removed from this site.
Obviously the person who compiled this rubbish knows nothing about the sport of hurling. Danny Hughes has been one of the finest players ever to grace the field in Ulster and has continued to be an ambassador to hurling in the county with his efforts to resurrect hurling in the Bredagh club.
Having been at the game vs Ballela and many others I can honestly say that Danny Hughes continues to be a very committed and talented hurler, as is his young son, Cormac.

Big Time !  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 21, 2007, 06:41:16 PM
Additional Down GAA Fixtures



Sunday 26th August

1pm PRFC Bryansford v An Riocht

2pm PRFC Tullylish v Clonduff

2pm Democrat Media JHC in Castlewellan: Portaferry v Warrenpoint


Monday 27th August 6:45pm

O'Neills International Sportswear

Div One FL Longstone v Kilcoo

Div One FL Mayobridge v Clonduff

Div Three FL Mitchels v Bredagh

also what a scurrilous pathetic post about Danny Hughes and his son, can admin please remove. I was there as well and as others here have pointed Rosco must have been watching a different match. Danny is a gentleman, an outstanding hurler and a credit to the county


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 21, 2007, 08:18:47 PM
Was chatting to a senior official last night and after consulting the rulebook, the 30% rule is actually rounded up from 0.5 pts onwards and vice versa. So if Saval finish the season with their current 34 points, Carryduff need 10.2 (10) pts to force a playoff. If Saval win their last game, Carryduff need 10.8 (11 points). Apologies for misleading anyone.

Also, scoring difference is definitely used to sort out final placings when teams are level on points. Could make things very interesting in the top two tiers.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wally on August 21, 2007, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 21, 2007, 04:32:17 PM
Quote from: wally on August 21, 2007, 03:51:21 PM
DF - can you confirm that your goalkeeper came off injured against Glenn on Friday night?  If that is the case, is he badly injured?  I have heard that he has done his back in big time and is not fit for Thursday night?  At least you have that young fella who came against Glen when you played them away, it is good see young fellas taking a keen interest in the position between the sticks !

Wally that is a couple of posts you have made regarding the dundrum keeper, firstly regarding if he is related to ned and secondly about if he is injured?? u seem to have a vested interest in him, u his agent or a relative?

I am neither his agent or a relative; I feel that he is probably one of the best young goalkeepers in East Down at present, and that he is a very important player for Dundrum having watched him in some games over the last couple of years . . . along with young McComiskey he is an important player for Dundrum - well that is my opinion.  In future Dundrumite I will not show a vested interest in your young guns . . . on that note I will withdraw all comments on the subject  :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on August 21, 2007, 09:15:11 PM
unfortunately i have never been to see the mighty Dundrum in action but i am guessing your talented goalie is a very busy one and secondly id say he is well down the pecking order with regards to great goalkeepers in east down. Can think of two straight away our own and our nearest rivals goalkeepers to name a few, and i dont mean the finns!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 21, 2007, 10:08:18 PM
Quote from: Townie on August 21, 2007, 09:15:11 PM
unfortunately i have never been to see the mighty Dundrum in action but i am guessing your talented goalie is a very busy one and secondly id say he is well down the pecking order with regards to great goalkeepers in east down. Can think of two straight away our own and our nearest rivals goalkeepers to name a few, and i dont mean the finns!

"mighty dundrum" " a very busy one" "i dont mean the finns" arrogant man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on August 21, 2007, 10:37:29 PM
If the post about Danny and his son was serious, it must go- you cannot have a post like this about a child moderators.It is beyond contempt - the Hughes family are a credit-on and off the field- and I defy one person to challenge their integrity, honesty and bravery. Danny was, and is, a superb ambassador for the GAA- has a lot more than strength and speed - I saw him do things for Ballycran, Queens, Down and Ulster than no other Down hurler could do- and he is still leading by example for Bredagh. Begrudgery and Hurler on the ditch gone mad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ballybredagh on August 21, 2007, 11:40:10 PM
Further to the previous postings about Danny Hughes. It is quite clear from the initial posting that this prat hasn't got the foggiest notion about the game of hurling - he should simply stick to soccer in future. 

Danny was one of Ulster's best ever hurlers and continues to be a real stand-out for Bredagh in the Down leagues and championship. Anyone (with good vision and intelligence) who has witnessed Danny hurling with Bredagh (or who has played against him) can testify that he has lost little of his strength, tenacity and ability and continues to perform superbly well for Bredagh each and every time he pulls on his adopted maroon jersey.

As a North Antrim exile, I know first hand how well Danny was/is respected in hurling strongholds throughout Ulster.  As for the dick who started this off; he probably never had the abiltiy/intelligence to play Ireland's most skillful national game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 22, 2007, 12:46:04 AM
Dont know Danny Hughes personally but any Down supporter, whether football or hurling, should recognise the name as being a Down legend.  Cant believe this hasn't been deleted yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale3 on August 22, 2007, 08:57:04 AM
Thank God the post re Danny has been removed - I didn't see it, but from the reaction it must have been bad. Danny and his family are a credit to Bredagh, Ballycran, Down and the GAA in general. They are amongst the most genuine, honest and decent people you could meet. Whoever posted it should be barred for life - he wouldn't be fit to lack Danny's boots (or Cormac's for that matter).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 22, 2007, 09:37:56 AM
boys have to commend all the support given to danny hughes and his family, dont know the man personally but have heard people talk about him in the past, there is no place for shit like that to be posted about any man on this site and the person responsable should f&%K off else where.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 22, 2007, 10:24:37 AM
 I agree.Let's get stuck into the promotion/relegation issues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 23, 2007, 10:04:19 AM
guys can anyone tell me has the semi final draw been made for the junior championship or are we going by the 1/4 final draw as it is numbered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 23, 2007, 01:52:22 PM
All open draws after this weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 23, 2007, 01:53:35 PM
cheers spirit
;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 23, 2007, 02:48:52 PM
when are the next round of draws for the championships made???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 23, 2007, 03:44:21 PM
Fats, I heard they are on Sunday Night after the game in Hilltown.
Will you lot still be there?
Whats the story after getting beat by Castlewellan last week - alot are tipping them to win it?
Suppose you will be cheering Kilcoo on tonight!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 23, 2007, 03:56:56 PM
fats.. good one.. sunday night.. could nt see it.. if they are on the radio, we might turn down the juke box in gormans to listen to it
castlewellan are the team to beat..
and i could nt care less who wins tonight, trianing the thirds.. we have a championship quarter final as well!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 23, 2007, 05:38:19 PM
Brickie might be interested in you supporting Kilcoo....
Here you and your oul man are to be guest of honour at the opening of the latest pub in Castlewellan!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael on August 23, 2007, 06:19:37 PM
 Bredagh GAC's Annual Talk Night takes place this year in the Wellington Park Hotel on Friday 31st August at 9pm.The Eastwood Bookmakers sponsored event has regular pundits Martin Breheny (Irish Independent) Paddy Heaney(Irish News)and Barney Eastwood back again this year..The evening is compered by Jerome Quinn (BBC).Confirmed guests this year are Joe Brolly (RTE pundit) and Graham Geraghty(Meath).Others will be announced closer to the event.There will be a draw on the night for two Hurling and two Football All-Ireland final tickets costing £10.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 23, 2007, 08:57:19 PM
Down IFC Quarter Final

Dundrum 0-08  Darragh Cross 0-09

A real stop start game that was ruined for both teams by incessant interuptions by over zealous linesmen. Anyway it was 0-05 each at halftime. Just before the break we were reduced to 14 men when our captain Kieran Walsh walked for two yellows. With a man down we worked our bollocks off in the 2nd half and really dominated the possession stakes. Yet Darragh outscored us 4-3. We had a plethora of chances to grab a good lead in the last quarter but slight inexperience cost us.
Good luck to Darragh Cross in the next round.


P.S Longstone beat Kilcoo by a point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 23, 2007, 09:05:38 PM
Wouldnt like to be around Kilcoo tonight, gotta stop tipping them to win it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 23, 2007, 10:02:21 PM
Stone v Kilcoo
Best club game I've seen for a long time.  It swayed to and fro.  The Stone going 10pts in front in the 1st 20m and Kilcoo narrowing the gap to 5 by half time.  During a 10 minute goalfest the stone bagged 3 and Kilcoo one.  All of the Stone goals were the result of superp inter-play, usually with the masterful Ambrose conducting affairs.

Kilcoo set straight into the job on the restart and industrioisly got the gap down to a single point but after this they couldn't get the essential equaliser that might have turned the game in thier favour.  But for two clear goal chances the Stone were were pinnewd into their own half for most of the 2nd half only getting their1st score with about 8 minutes to go.

In many ways a draw would have been a fair enough outcome but I was pleased the Stone move on, although Frank Dawson has a problem at FB who is uncomfortable under a high ball.
Two great teams playing super fast running football.  Well worth the £5. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 24, 2007, 09:09:34 AM
Agree it was an exciting game but it wasn't a classic - Longstone didn't score for 42 mins, they had 3.05 up after 17 mins and didn't score until the 29th minute of the second half albeit hitting the post and bar in between. That 29th minute point put the stone 2 up but Kilcoo levelled on 33 mins only for the stone to win it with the last kick. Lets face it, any team that goes this long without scoring cant be considered serious challengers for the title, for me longstone play too short and lack confidence in the forwards. The three goal blitz and form of Ambrose in the first half was what won it for them but Ambrose never got too grips after half time.
Kilcoo really had the winning of the game but couldn't get in front but whoever scores the most wins games and fair play to Longstone.

Just waiting to hear the outcome on the termination of the Kilcoo drinking ban - usually some local bar bears the brunt of their failings on the pitch!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 24, 2007, 09:11:43 AM
Great win for us against Kilcoo last night.  If we repeat our first half preformance in the semi final I would fear nobody, however the 2nd half was a different story and we could easliy have lost.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Laoislad on August 25, 2007, 12:23:05 PM
AFL is live on Setanta at moment Collingwood v Sydney..Martin Clarke is having a good game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 25, 2007, 12:49:31 PM
Clarke has just been flattened by one of the worst tackles I have ever seen. Even the Aussie commentators said it was a disgrace. They are talking about a four-game ban for the other guy. I honestly thought he might have broken his neck. Incredibly, after a period of treatment, he played on. One of the commentators praised him, and said he would never have taken a hit like it in GAA. The other commentator said; `Unless he was playing the Aussies.' Collingwood are going to win the game, and it's pretty obvious that Clarke is there to stay. Even the St Patrick's Park money could not bring him back now.






















Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on August 25, 2007, 01:10:16 PM
 What channel is this on in a sky package?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 25, 2007, 03:31:01 PM
QuoteChannel 430, Setanta Sports

Are the games always shown on this channel and does it come as part of the £10 a month package?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 25, 2007, 03:44:30 PM
Thanks 5ive Times.  Might have to invest in that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 25, 2007, 03:49:02 PM
Pool supporter myself.  Sounds good
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 25, 2007, 07:30:18 PM
any score from todays matches?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 25, 2007, 10:27:35 PM
IFC

Harps beat Tullylish handy enough in the end, Ballymartin beat Carryduff. That leaves Harps, Ballymartin and Darragh Cross in the semis with the winners of Saval and RGU to join them in the draw tomorrow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 26, 2007, 07:34:34 PM
A few results from this weekend.

SFC - Bryansford 0-11  Loughinisland 0-10

IFC - Tullylish 2-06  Ballyholland 2-15

IFC - Ballymartin 3-13  Carryduff 0-04

JFC - Ballykinlar 0-05  Bosco 5-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 26, 2007, 08:12:44 PM
SFC Semi Final Draw
Longstone v Burren
Bryansford v Mayobridge/Rostrevor

IFC Semi Final Draw
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick
Ballymartin v Ballyholland


Burren beat Castlewellan by 3 points from what I hear and I take it that Downpatrick beat Saval.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 26, 2007, 08:31:31 PM
When is the Bridge/Rostrevor replay?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on August 26, 2007, 08:41:17 PM
tuesday night in Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 26, 2007, 11:18:24 PM
Downpatrick beat Saval by a point in Hilltown!

Downpatrick v Darragh Cross
B'Holland v B'Martin

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 27, 2007, 10:24:09 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 23, 2007, 03:56:56 PM
fats.. good one.. sunday night.. could nt see it.. if they are on the radio, we might turn down the juke box in gormans to listen to it
castlewellan are the team to beat..
and i could nt care less who wins tonight, trianing the thirds.. we have a championship quarter final as well!!!!!!!!!!

Wouldnt have thought Gormans had much partying over the weekend gutsie!!
You should be gone but have Rostrevor missed their chance??

On the weekends SFC games and I attended all the matches only Longstone showed any style and that was only for 20 minutes - the rest was very mediocre and this is testament to Down Football as a whole.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on August 27, 2007, 03:05:46 PM
JHC Semi Final

Warrenpoint 4-16 2-07 Portaferry.  The point now play Bredagh in the final on 15th September and must fancy their chances of a first ever hurling championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on August 27, 2007, 03:22:54 PM
St.Michaels beat Aghaderg 3-10 to 0-10.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 27, 2007, 04:00:29 PM
I heard a rumour that Carryduff didn't field in a league fixture vs Downpatrick last week. Can anyone confirm/deny?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 27, 2007, 04:05:14 PM
the match was called of due to Bredagh and CDuff having to replay in the championship, heses the results from the week from the county board, both are down as OFF

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Bryansford 0-11 An Riocht 1-10

Loughinisland 1-8 Atticall 0-9

Castlewellan 1-10 Mayobridge 1-9

Liatroim (Monday) Clonduff

Burren 0-7 Rostrevor 0-7

Longstone (off) Kilcoo

Div Two

Downpatrick (off) Carryduff

Glasdrumman 3-6 Ballymartin 0-9

Ballyholland 4-15 Kilclief 0-5

Warrenpoint 2-5 Saval 1-9

Annaclone 0-17 Shamrocks 0-14

Clann Na Banna 1-12 Darragh Cross 0-11

Div Three

Teconnaught w/o Ardglass d/f

St. Pauls 0-14 Bright 1-6

Dundrum 0-19 Glenn 3-5

Mitchels (off) Bredagh

Bosco 2-15 Drumgath 0-8

Tullylish 1-16 Saul 3-7

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 27, 2007, 05:01:49 PM
I am reading in the Newspaper that 2 more supermarkets are joining the race to bay St Paddys Park.  At first glance IMHO £1.5million is quite a low (in terms of land anyway!) amount considering the size of the land and the location.  Surely the extra supermarkets joining the race can only push up the price.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 27, 2007, 06:03:08 PM
Down GAA Results



Democrat IHC Semi Final Portaferry 3-3 Ballycran 1-11

Democrat IHC Semi Final Ballygalget 1-17 Liatroim 2-6

Democrat JHC Semi Final Ballela 0-7 Bredagh 2-10

Democrat JHC Quarter Final Ballycran 0-14 Warrenpoint 1-12

Democrat JHC Semi Final Warrenpoint 4-16 Portaferry 2-7



Powerade SFC Kilcoo 1-12 Longstone 3-7

Powerade SFC Castlewellan 0-7 Burren 1-7

Powerade SFC Bryansford 0.11 Loughinisland 0.10

Powerade SFC Mayobridge 1.10 Rostrevor 2.7



Around A Pound IFC Darragh Cross 0-9 Dundrum 0-8

Around A Pound IFC Ballymartin 3.13 Carryduff 0.5

Around A Pound IFC Tullylish 2-5 Ballyholland 2-16

Around A Pound IFC Downpatrick 0-10 Saval 1-6



JFC  Ballykinlar 0-5 Bosco 5-15

JFC Bright 0-6 St. Johns 1-8

JFC Aghaderg 0-11 St. Michaels 3-10

JFC Drumaness (mon)Aughlisnafin

JFC St. Michaels 2-15 Mitchels 1-14



Premier Reserve Championship

Burren 2-23 Carryduff 0-1

Saval w/o Saul d/f

Rostrevor 0-7 Mayobridge 2-7

Clonduff 2-6 Liatroim 0-7

Downpatrick 1-18 Ballymartin 0-5

Warrenpoint 0-6 Kilcoo 3-15

Kilclief 1-10 Castlewellan 2-9

Tullylish 1-6 Clonduff 2-15

Bryansford 0.9 An Riocht 0.9



Reserve Football Championship

St. Johns 1-10 Down Masters 0-10

Castlewellan 2-11 Liatroim 0-8

Glenn 4-7 Mayobridge 3-14

Bredagh w/o Clann Na Banna d/f

St Michaels 1-16 Drumgath 0-9

Ardglass 2-9 Kilcoo 1-12

Burren 3-11 Ballyholland 0-7

Rostrevor 5-13 Atticall 3-6

Kilcoo w/o Ardglass d/f



Down GAA Fixtures



Monday 27th August 7pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Longstone v Kilcoo

Mayobridge v Clonduff (off)

Div Three

Mitchels v Bredagh



Tuesday 28th August 6.45pm

Powerade SFC Replay

Burren: Mayobridge v Rostrevor



Friday 31st August 6.30pm (NB: earlier start)

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Bryansford v Loughinisland

Liatroim v Longstone

Clonduff v Burren

Mayobridge v Atticall

An Riocht v Castlewellan

Kilcoo v Rostrevor

Div Two

Downpatrick v Glasdrumman

Saval v Clann Na Banna

Warrenpoint v Annaclone

Kilclief v Ballymartin

Carryduff v Ballyholland

Darragh Cross v Shamrocks

Div Three

Teconnaught v St. Pauls

Bredagh v Tullylish

Mitchels v Bosco

Glenn v Bright

Ardglass v Dundrum

Saul v Drumgath



Saturday 1st September 4pm

Premier Reserve Football Championship

Clonduff v Kilcoo

Burren v Castlewellan

Replay: An Riocht v Bryansford

Reserve Football Championship 5.30pm

St. Johns v Burren

Bredagh v Castlewellan

Mayobridge v Rostrevor

St. Michaels v Kilcoo



Monday 3rd September 6.30pm

PRFC Saval v Mayobridge

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 27, 2007, 06:10:58 PM
QuoteI am reading in the Newspaper that 2 more supermarkets are joining the race to bay St Paddys Park.  At first glance IMHO £1.5million is quite a low (in terms of land anyway!) amount considering the size of the land and the location.  Surely the extra supermarkets joining the race can only push up the price.

Southdown, should you not have moved the decimal point? Its gonna be closer to £15m to buy St Patrick's Park and if there a few bidders on it, it could go nearer to £20m.  After all, to buy the 17 acres and develop the site in Bryansford village will cost between 4 and 5 million, so £1.5m is way off the mark alone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 27, 2007, 06:22:37 PM
i thought it was 1.5m that Bryansford were to get from the sale to develop the new facilities and buy the land
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 27, 2007, 08:04:35 PM
Sorry Southdown, the deal is that the County Board will buy the land and develop the site for the Bryansford club. Whatever this costs to do will be taken from the profits of selling St Patrick's Park.  The remaining money will/should be used to develop a Centre of Excellence for all Down teams.  Once again, if we can get several interested parties biding on the site this will mean more money for our new Centre.  Whatever Bryansford get out of this deal, and deservedly so, should still give the Down County Board a minimum of £12m +.  Its up to them how this money is spent then - God help us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 27, 2007, 08:28:25 PM
Bredagh beat Mitchels tonight 0-15 to 0-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 27, 2007, 08:31:35 PM
Cheers Cloc Mor, I knew that couldnt be right.

Result:

Longstone 1-11 0-08 Kilcoo in the rearranged league fixture.  We never really looked like getten beat tonight and pulled away well at the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 27, 2007, 09:22:32 PM
Easy run to the Championship final now Southdown - 'bridge in the final - win for the 'stone

What you think?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 27, 2007, 09:30:41 PM
God no Cloc Mor, Burren are very big and physical with a lot of very good footballers.  They beat us by a few points up in their place a few weeks ago and in last years league final also.  Wouldnt be confident at all.  And as for the Bridge, well we all know what about them. Expect a major backlash tomorrow night, I think they will be all guns blazing after the poor showing in the drawn game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 27, 2007, 09:40:20 PM
Now Southdown, you wouldn't be wanting to play down your chances.  You're well in there.  You'll beat Burren and I reckon the 'bridge in the final.  Good luck to you but you have a p***k of a manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 27, 2007, 10:54:46 PM
Bredagh's win confirms their place in the D3 play-offs with Tullylish, Saul and Dundrum. Is it a straightforward round-robin, and does anyone know the likely dates ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on August 27, 2007, 11:07:42 PM
30th September - according to Down Gaa handbook.  Thats a sensible idea from our progressive County Board to have teams 'kicking their heels' for 4 weeks, just training and not playing any competitive games.  Just great
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on August 27, 2007, 11:27:24 PM
Quote from: Cloc Mor on August 27, 2007, 11:07:42 PM
30th September - according to Down Gaa handbook.  Thats a sensible idea from our progressive County Board to have teams 'kicking their heels' for 4 weeks, just training and not playing any competitive games.  Just great

Agree Cloc Mor.
I know it's an old chestnut,but I feel the current club and league championship system has contributed to our lack of success at club and county level.
Any suggestions for improvement?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownHead on August 27, 2007, 11:42:21 PM
i think because all div 3 teams are out of the IFC that the play-offs could take place in two weeks!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on August 28, 2007, 10:10:30 AM
Quote from: DownHead on August 27, 2007, 11:42:21 PM
i think because all div 3 teams are out of the IFC that the play-offs could take place in two weeks!!

That would be sensible under normal circumstances,but the master fixtures plan dictates that they must be played at the end of September--players may have made holiday and work arrangements etc with the original date in mind ,so I imagine it would be unfair to go ahead with playoffs unless all 4 clubs agreed to an earlier start.

This problem could be resolved in future years by making it clear on the master fixtures program,that playoffs may start as soon as the effected teams are out of the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 28, 2007, 10:42:29 AM
  It's a bollox having to wait 3 or 4 weeks right enough.  

 In fairness though sometimes in the past it has taken a couple of play offs to decide who goes into the play offs, so they probably legislated for that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 28, 2007, 11:23:17 AM
difference in standard between divisions needs addressed!

all div3 teams were trounced by div 2 teams (with due respect d cross are a poor div2 side and are prob really a div3 side), and i have no doubt that the teams at the top of div2 will struggle big time next year in div1...

any suggestions? bigger leagues possible?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 28, 2007, 11:44:51 AM
goldenyears im not sure how you come to reckon that darragh cross are a poor divison 2 team and should be in division 3. as far as i know they have been far from outclassed in any game this season and have beaten both saval and annaclone along the way, two teams im sure you would regard as stronger division 2 teams. i have played against them a couple of times this year and must say they have a couple of very good players.
dont know about the gulf in class either. imo the biggest gulf in class exists within division 3 itself and not between top of division 3 and botom of division 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on August 28, 2007, 08:29:59 PM
any word on tonights game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 28, 2007, 09:20:29 PM
Townie, the last I heard the Bridge were up by 14! That was near the end of the second half.  Rostrevor will be kicking themselves for not putting them away the first day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on August 28, 2007, 09:58:45 PM
to be honest i thought the bridge would win easy enough good side think them and the ford should be a cracker!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 28, 2007, 09:59:33 PM
a 20 point victory for the Bridge.  Anyone at it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 28, 2007, 10:01:05 PM
ACFL Division 3 Table

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           21            34             Playoffs
Saul                21            29             Playoffs
Dundrum         21            29             Playoffs
Bredagh          21            27             Playoffs
--------------------------------------------
Bosco              21            24
Teconnaught    21           22
Ardglass           20            21
Drumgath         20            19
---------------------------------------------
Glenn              21            18
Mitchels           21            11
Bright              21             8         
St Pauls           21             8         


Outstanding Fixtures: Ardglass v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: townof12 on August 28, 2007, 10:06:27 PM
A stroll in the park for the bridge, even without the sextons and Gavin Barry.  Bridge outplayed Rostrevor in every area of the pitch and had big performances from walsh and benny.  Sent out a message, still the team to beat!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on August 28, 2007, 10:47:00 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on August 28, 2007, 11:23:17 AM
difference in standard between divisions needs addressed!

all div3 teams were trounced by div 2 teams (with due respect d cross are a poor div2 side and are prob really a div3 side), and i have no doubt that the teams at the top of div2 will struggle big time next year in div1...

any suggestions? bigger leagues possible?

I think results over past 2-3 years indicate darragh are a div 2 side.They have competed favourably this year even without their best player P.Mageean for most of the season.They waltzed thru div 3 last year,and the previous year were only relegated after being dragged into the bottom 4 ,with a points tally that was just off a top 4 place.

I do agree with you however that bigger leagues would breath life into club football.
A 16 team div 1 for example could give the likes of Ballyholland,Annaclone and Saval an opportunity to become established division 1 sides-surely that can only be good for football in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 29, 2007, 10:14:17 AM
come on guys, you cant tell me that d cross are a good div2 side?? they definitely are trickier at home, but on their travels leave alot to be desired....maybe i am being harsh on them, and quite probably if they hold their status for another 2 seasons they can push on from there.....

but my point still stands up.....anyone coming up from div3 next year will probably go straight back down. I think you will find that banbridge will join carryduff in div3 next year.....am i talking rubbish?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 29, 2007, 10:31:54 AM
yes goldenyears you are talking rubbish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on August 29, 2007, 11:00:09 AM

Why were the sextons not playing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 29, 2007, 11:01:23 AM
I think their brother was getting married in Germany yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 29, 2007, 11:04:22 AM
guys only back form happy hols, has the 1/2 semi final draw been made for jfc.

many regards
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smiler An Dun on August 29, 2007, 11:58:58 AM
I would agree with Golden Years in a way that Div 3 teams that go up to the 2nd will struggle and may come straight back down.  At present there is not a lot of difference between the top Div 4 teams and most of those in the 3rd.  Div 2 however is a biger step.

The results in this years championships prove this in that Drumgath were knocked out early in the Senior, no Div 3 team left in the Intemediate and only Bosco left playing in the Junior with the rest being Div 4 teams.

Now may be the right time to restructure the leagues, but if changes are to be made will the clubs vote on it?  They had the chance last year but voted against any changes being put forward.

Btw draw for Junior C'ship semis is:

Bosco Vs St. Michaels (Newry, Sat 8th Sept)
St. John's Vs Drumaness (Newcastle, Sun 9th Sept)

Can Drumaness do the double and ensure that for another year that a Division 4 side has won the C'ship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 29, 2007, 12:35:38 PM
Quote from: southdown on August 29, 2007, 11:01:23 AM
I think their brother was getting married in Germany yesterday.

Cyrpus actually!  Funny how the rumours get bent out of shape.  ;D  A good win for our boys last night they were really up for it after the brutal performance the first night.  Bryanford will be a tough challenge for us, glad its in Newry not Newcastle.  We need last nights Bridge not the Bridge that we had in the first Rostrevor game.

I'm sure Rostrevor will be kicking themselves for not closing the game out the first night when they had the chance. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on August 29, 2007, 04:39:21 PM
 The Bridge last night had no Sextons so you don't want them for the semi-??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 29, 2007, 04:59:02 PM
Yeah dead on Ross  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 29, 2007, 05:32:30 PM
behindthewire, quality response! thanks for that... you are a top contributor alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: billy the kid on August 29, 2007, 08:54:18 PM
blow me!!! :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 29, 2007, 09:52:45 PM
Division 3 Playoffs have been confirmed for the 22nd of September, 29th of September and the 6th of October by Sean Rooney.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 29, 2007, 09:57:25 PM
DF

any word on the order of the matches?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 30, 2007, 10:54:42 AM
What are the fixtures for this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 30, 2007, 12:37:46 PM
division three play offs

week one

1 v 4
2 v 3

week 2

1 v 3
2 v 4

Week 3

1 v 2
3 v 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 30, 2007, 12:49:45 PM
just my opinion goldenyears. how many games have you watched in division 2 this year?

and what makes you think that darragh cross and clann na banna should be in division 3? not big enough for the big pond?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 30, 2007, 01:22:38 PM
When does the PRFL resume?  We havent had a game in near a month as we are out of the PRFC.  I see its all championship fixtures again this weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 31, 2007, 09:14:09 AM
Fixtures for next weekend.

Saturday 8th September
I
n Pairc Esler:
3.30pm JFC Semi-final
Bosco v St. Michaels (B Rice)

5pm Powerade SFC Semi-final
Bryansford v Mayobridge (G Tumelty)

In Kilclief:
5pm Democrat Media SHC Semi-final
Ballycran v Down Juniors (E Morgan)

Sunday 9th September

In Pairc Esler:
3.30pm Around A Pound IFC Semi-final
Ballyholland v Ballymartin (D Moore)

5pm Powerade SFC Semi-final
Burren v Longstone (G Corrigan)

In Castlewellan:
1pm JFC Semi-final
Drumaness v St. Johns (D Ryan)

3pm Around A Pound IFC Semi-final
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick (L Smyth)

In Ballycran:
3.30pm Democrat Media SHC Semi-final
Ballygalget v Portaferry (H Torney)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 31, 2007, 04:31:20 PM
any members of the board from newry shamrocks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 31, 2007, 08:16:48 PM
Darragh Cross 1-7 Shamrocks 1-4

We were 1-3 to no score down with 10 minutes gone, but then everyone played excellently to grab an historic win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 31, 2007, 08:59:56 PM
Div 3.... Bosco 2-10   0-8 Mitchels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on August 31, 2007, 09:15:04 PM
Warrenpoint beat Annaclone by 9 or 10 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 31, 2007, 09:20:11 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Ardglass 1-08  Dundrum 1-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on August 31, 2007, 09:21:18 PM
Its tight at the bottom of div 2 lads.....anyone know what the story is with the final relegation play off positions? After tonight Darragh Cross and the Point are on 18 points, Banbridge 17, Shamrocks 16 (with a possible 2 points to be awarded or a game in hand). If the Shamrocks get another 2 points then the three teams are on 18, is there a play off between these teams to stay out of the play offs (1 place remaining) or does it go to score difference?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on August 31, 2007, 09:30:05 PM
Bredagh 12 Tullylish 7
St Pauls wo Teconnaught df.

relegation playoff Mitchells, St Pauls & Bright (if they beat Glenn tonight?)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 31, 2007, 09:48:50 PM
ACFL Division 3 Table

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           22            34             Playoffs
Saul                22            31             Playoffs
Dundrum         22            31             Playoffs
Bredagh          22            29             Playoffs
--------------------------------------------
Bosco              22            26
Teconnaught    22           22
Ardglass           21            21
Glenn              22            20
------------------------------------------
Drumgath         21           19       
Mitchels           22            11         Playoffs
St Pauls           22            10         Playoffs
-------------------------------------------         
Bright              22             8          Relegated


Outstanding Fixture: Ardglass v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on August 31, 2007, 10:15:30 PM
Glenn wo Bright df.

How many teams didnt show tonight.

DF i am assured that relegation from Div three is bottom three playoff. As Bright haven't got 30% they're gone so it's a straight playoff between St Pauls and Mitchells.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 31, 2007, 11:48:09 PM
Ballyholland 3-06 Carryduff 0-3
Downpatrick 5-16 Glasdrumman 1-5
Darragh Cross 1-7 Shamrocks 1-4
Warrenpoint beat Annaclone by 9
Saval beat Clann na Banna
Ballymartin?????Kilclief
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 31, 2007, 11:52:20 PM
Down GAA Results



O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Longstone 1-10 Kilcoo 0-8

Loughinisland 0-8 Bryansford 0-8

Liatroim 1-10 Longstone 1-4

Clonduff 0-10 Burren 2-7

Mayobridge 0-12 Atticall 0-6

An Riocht 1-9 Castlewellan 0-11

Kilcoo 1-10 Rostrevor 1-11

Div Two

Downpatrick 5-17 Glasdrumman 1-5

Saval 1-13 Clann Na Banna 3-6

Warrenpoint 2-15 Annaclone 0-12

Kilclief 0-9 Ballymartin 2-15

Carryduff 0-3 Ballyholland 2-15

Darragh Cross 1-7 Shamrocks 1-4

Div Three

Mitchels 0-6 Bredagh 0-15

Teconnaught D/F St. Pauls W/O

Bredagh 0-12 Tullylish 0-7

Mitchels 0-8 Bosco 2-12

Glenn W/O Bright D/F

Ardglass 1-8 Dundrum 1-13

Saul 2-14 Drumgath 1-8

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 01, 2007, 12:11:09 AM
Some crazy stuff going on in Division II tonight. It really did come down to the wire.

Annaclone look to have somehow kicked themselves out of a top four spot. Saval finish top, Ballyholland 2nd. Ballymartin have also qualifed for the top four. Downpatrick need a win at home to Carryduff to seal their place, and as they have already outscored Ballymartin, would take 3rd spot in the process.  Carryduff are already relegated, so it should be a formality for the Hoops

At the bottom, Carryduff are gone. The playoffs will consist of Glassdrumman, Clann na Banna and one of either Warrenpoint or Shamrocks, most likely the Point. Bann were nine points ahead at one stage against Saval and if they had even managed a draw, would have been able to put their feet up for the winter. Warrenpoint pulled off a tremendous coup over the 'Clone, but it's looking like too little too late for the Blues. Darragh Cross are ahead of them on scoring and therefore safe. Seamrogai are a point behind them, but a victory at home to Carryduff in their final game will make them safe.

It's kind of a shame for Annaclone and Warrenpoint that they have to pin their hopes on a beaten docket after all the racing is complete. But such is the nature of league football.

Regarding or own game with Carryduff tonight, the yellows really put it up to us during the first half, and we were only a point up at the interval. If they hadn't have lost 3 key players during that half through injury (all innocuous, I'll add) they might have given us a scare. But we worked our bollocks off in the second half and then really put the foot down in the final quarter.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 01, 2007, 10:16:44 AM
by division 3 results glenn are now ahead of drumgath and if drumgath dont beat ardglass in their remaining fixture then they will be in the bottom 4, what a diffeence a year makes. mitchels and whoever joins them must be pretty pissed of with tecconaught, and i would imagine st pauls are delighted. Wobbler are you sure that comes down to score difference, was talking to a lad from darragh who seems to think score difference doesn't matter and they are in fact in a play off to decide who goes into the play offs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on September 01, 2007, 12:27:44 PM
Score difference definately being used to determine who is in (or out) of playoffs at all levels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on September 02, 2007, 06:48:39 PM
Interesting set of results from Friday night .. immediate thoughts:


Predictions now for the 2nd and 3rd divisions where I might retain a closer interest:
- Ballyholland to outperform the rest in the Div 2 promotion stakes and claim their place as champions in the top league
- Saval to overcome a disappointing championship reverse to go up with them (B'martin and RGU distracted by championship successes)
- Glassdrumman to fall short in the survival stakes from Div 2 and join Carryduff in the drop
- Div 3 - Tullylish to achieve Div 2 status after being pushed all the way by Dundrum and Saul. In that East Down showdown I think Paul McComiskey's desire to play at the higher level will push his teammates over the win line just ahead of a playoff hardened Saul outfit (altho it'll be close). Bredagh, after a great year will have to rebuild for a real go in their 2nd season in Div 3 next year and they will go up in 2008.
- at the other end of the table, St Pauls haven't enough in them to grab their 2nd chance of survival and Mitchels (and Drumgath) will have too much firepower

Interestingly (possibly), I've done a bit of stat gathering on the Div 3 promotion sides in the head to head matches they've played this  year (the other playoffs are not final as yet anyway) - we all know that form to date means nothing in the playoffs (as my predictions highlight anyway) but all the same. ....


Played
Won
Drew
Lost
Pts
Diff
Saul
6
4
0
2
8
20
Tullylish
6
3
0
3
6
-1
Dundrum
6
3
0
3
6
-10
Bredagh
6
2
0
4
4
-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 03, 2007, 10:05:08 AM
leagues providing exciting fare for all divisions it seems.....

div2....what the hell happened annaclone? after pasting ballyholland at home a few weeks back they seemed to go into free fall. On that night there was no way you could tell me they wouldnt make the play offs....all not well internally??

hard to believe that wpoint should be anywhere near bottom4 but if they get over this nightmare season their young lads will come on no end for a tough year in div2. it would have been very funny to see the shamrocks battle it out in div2 relegation playoffs, but again they have too much about them to be there again next year. once they sort off field out, they have too much ability.

feel sorry for banbridge. first game of league harps whopped them and i thought they were the worst team i had ever seen in div2 but credit to them, they battled all year and it sounds like a disastrous bottle inthe last league game means dreaded play offs.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 03, 2007, 12:18:26 PM
it makes the whole thing that bit more exciting in division two to see a few so called bigger or better teams sweating it out on other results.

a few results or things that grabbed my attention 

Banbridge woe story continues into the winter, it just seems that they are destined to hit the drop im afraid, their season has been full of hard luck stories and close calls but i have a feeling they will be going down after this latest disappointment - werent they coasting against saval at one stage and still lost by the slimmest of margins - close but no cigar im afraid.

Downpatrick seem to be showing some sort of form goin into the business end of the season and are in fine fettle for both championship & league - wonder what odds for a double from the hoops-although im no fan of theirs.

Ballyholland have quietly gone about their business most of the season, no-one is talkin about them and they are again in the playoffs where they will have to make up for last years dissapointment, they are as always a dangerous prospect and even moreso in my eyes because of their quiet ascension to the top 4.

Annaclone - deary me, jekyl & hyde anyone?. going by reports they are in pretty fast freefall and Murray can don nothin to stop it. After a strong start to the season they somehow capitulate when it really matters. Out-played, out-gunned, out-fought on friday last does not sound like the Annaclone that has a greatly talented panel that was being touted for promotion. Dissapointing finish to their season.

Shamrocks - a poor poor season for the newry men, what can one say that hasnt been said before.
they should stay out of bottom 4 playoffs with a win in the outstanding fixture which will preserve their Div 2 status, but if they had been relegated from div1 to 3 inside a year then that would have been disasterous for them and gaa in newry in general. a very lucky escape this season.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 04, 2007, 02:15:52 PM
has anyone heard an exact date for the start of the play offs?

would anyone on here support a motion stating that all playoffs should be started as soon as leagus are over, so long as all teams involved are out of c'ship? i would definitely be in favour of it, not too keen on the aul winter football myself!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 04, 2007, 05:30:01 PM
BTW

the third div play offs are down for 22nd and 29th of Sept and the 6th of oct

oops
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 04, 2007, 06:52:55 PM
no matches in october square ball? any word on division 2 playoffs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 05, 2007, 12:38:05 PM
where have all the football posters gone?

nothing but fkn div3 football and poxy hurling threads. where have the div2 and div1 posters all gone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 05, 2007, 01:24:30 PM
i second that, im still here, albeit lurkin in the shadows.

whats your take on the ol playoffs this year Goldenyears, and/or your surprises/disappointments etc from div 2 this year, also anyone that ross could potentially use this coming year???

shoot
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on September 05, 2007, 02:12:44 PM
League fixtures down from Fri night before the championship takes over again:

Friday 7th September 6.30pm
O'Neills International Sportswear League
Div One
Liatroim v Kilcoo
Div Two
Shamrocks v Carryduff
Div Three
Ardglass v Drumgath

This should settle a few more unknowns in the league shakeup

- if Liatroim don't pull out a local derby win over a Kilcoo side prepping for the top4 games, then its another year in the releg playoffs for them - I can see a close scrap here - draw
- Shamrocks to run up a big winning score to consign Warrenpoint to the releg playoffs
- Ardglass/Drumgath - did I miss the reasons that have led to a replay rather than a points award to Drumgath? Anyway, can Drumgath motivate themselves to end a miserable season on a semi high and jump out of the bottom 4 (& playoffs with Mitchels and St Pauls)? It depends what Ardglass pull together on the day - with the aul assoc football down for Saturday, I reckon Drumgath need to just turn up focussed to overcome a stuttering home outfit

On the championship and with an East Down focus, good luck to Darragh on Sunday against the hooped townies  ;D  I'd luv it, just luv it if you could max out and beat them  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 05, 2007, 02:16:36 PM
Padraig Mageean from Darragh Cross, 04 minor corner back was called up by Ross the day before he did his cruciate last spring. Talking 12months with that injury arent ya!?
Title: At the risk of upsetting those 'higher' in the food chain
Post by: passedit on September 05, 2007, 02:25:15 PM
Quotejump out of the bottom 4 (& playoffs with Mitchels and St Pauls)?

Statto are you sure about this? I've had the updated bylaws quoted to me and although it's top four playoffs heading north its bottom three down among the traffic cones so, as far as I can see it, the only thing at stake for Drumgath is whether they want to play junior or intermediate next year.

Unless of course you know different?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on September 05, 2007, 02:39:03 PM
Quote from: passedit on September 05, 2007, 02:25:15 PM
Quotejump out of the bottom 4 (& playoffs with Mitchels and St Pauls)?

Statto are you sure about this? I've had the updated bylaws quoted to me and although it's top four playoffs heading north its bottom three down among the traffic cones so, as far as I can see it, the only thing at stake for Drumgath is whether they want to play junior or intermediate next year.

Unless of course you know different?

To be honest, passedit, I don't know for certain but I asked our club secretary last night on why it was being played at all (he wasn't sure of playoff places at the base of Div 3) and we reckoned it must be because of playoff positions. Common sense suggests it would be a lot cleaner if the bottom 4 were in playoff positions and also established the JFC candidates next season - but then all thats for a higher mind than mine  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 05, 2007, 03:03:01 PM
imo division two was very open this year with some great football played. biggest surprise for me was how little the county players stood out in some matches ( apart from ronan murtagh). all in all a good league, just a pity about some of the refereeing.

does anyone know when the RFL Final is to be played and who is in it. as far as i know ballyholland are in it, not sure who else though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 05, 2007, 03:41:11 PM
me thoughts are as follows:

mayobridge v bryansford -

closer than many think probably but i expect the bridge to run out by three or four clear points. it still isnt proven that anyone can live with them consistently or that their standards have dropped sufficiently and i think the bridge have had their one and only hiccup this season.....normal service resumes

darragh cross v downpatrick -

i just cant see d cross getting anywhere near the level that dpatrick can get to, and for that reason i expect dpatrick to win by at least 6. i have no doubt this is prob the biggest game d cross have had in 4 or 5 seasons if not ever, and they will have work rate and will to win to match, but quality will not be there and i think dpatrick are on such a good run that they look hard to stop

burren v longstone -

looks like we have such a contrast in playing style. burren are very physical and altho lacking real scoring threat up front still have that championship pedigree. longstone are a team i really like to watch - lovely football, played at speed and some real good old fashioned attacking forwards....i would hope the latter wins.....could they then go on and beat the bridge? i doubt...would burren be a better alternative in the final? i think so.....i think longstone will win by 1


harps v ballymartin   -

really tough one to call. whites beat harps well in ballyholland, then harps beat whites well in ballymartin. both on decent form; both in top 4 play offs so will see each other again before end of year. harps have a few injury worries, but with ronan murtagh in form i dont see any team in div2 coping with him, he really is that potent! a close one to call, possibly even a reply, but i fancy harps by 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 05, 2007, 03:52:25 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 05, 2007, 01:24:30 PM

whats your take on the ol playoffs this year Goldenyears, and/or your surprises/disappointments etc from div 2 this year, also anyone that ross could potentially use this coming year???

shoot

i have been so disappointed with the standard of football in down and can totally see how the county team can be so poor. we just dont have the footballers; the standard of play is very bad; whilst teams seem generally fitter the lack of quality score taking and kick passing depairs me; the standard of refereeing is atrocious with many so inconsisent its frigthening.

surprises have been how many points banbridge picked up considering their hammering in ballyholland in game1 - they learned very quickly and fair play to management for sorting them out so quick - would hazard a guess that they picked up a lot of points on that sh1te pitch of theirs tho - is there a worst ground in down football?

cant believe shamrocks and wpoint skirted with div3 all year. shamrocks in particular have been a shambles. wpoint will bounce back well next year as they have a great crop of young lads.....they will do well with this year's learning experience behind them.

ballymartin are the other big surprise - mid table for 3 or 4 years, their younger lads have gotten bigger and stronger and their undoubted ability now showing through......

i have said for 2 or 3 seasons including POR's reign; the county team is generally made up of the best players with a few exceptions. in the last year ross/dj took some real leaps of faiths on a few who i think would be nowhere near a good div1 team never mind a county team....some of the lads on from div3/div4 should simply not be anywhere near the squad......

i dont believe there are many players not currently in the county panel that should be there - the problem is the way the county team is sent out to play....but thats for another topic!!

if I go through div2, there are a few names I could throw into the mix for next year's mckenna cup....as follows:

saval - stephen sands / domhnall murphy / jonny hughes

ballyholland - damien campbell / damien mccrink / james patterson

annaclone - i dont know their names, but brothers one of them a midfielder were impressive and the full back....cant remember his name either

downpatrick - telford definitely a county player on club performances

ballymartin - centre back impressed me, darren o hanlon impressed me too

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 05, 2007, 04:17:09 PM
you are definitely right about james patterson, played alongside him at the abbey - was always a very strong player, never said much, just got the job done. i think the fact that hes such a quiet big fella works against him.

as regards the clann, pitch is very bad, unfortunately no other place to put it. land too expensive at present. a new school is being built beside the field, we thought we could work something out there but it didnt happen.
believe it or not our own field doesnt suit us at all, we dont have enough big men to win the physical games in such a big field. we took points off annaclone, darragh cross, glassdrumman, warrenpoint and carryduff all away from home. think we more than held our own though, hope we dont end up going down, especially after what happened to us against shamrocks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 05, 2007, 10:08:11 PM
Non-county players who've caught my eye in Division II this year:

Saval: Johnny Hughes, Domhnall Murphy, Stephen Sands
Ballyholland: Damien Campbell, James Patterson, Kieran Murphy, Joe Murphy
Ballymartin: Darren O'Hanlon, Sean McManus, Peter Fitzpatrick, Darren Magennis
Downpatrick: Peter Telford,  Kevin Gracey, John Fegan, Damien Turley
Annaclone: Benny McArdle, Pete McColgan, Gary McArdle, Martin Farrell
Kilclief: Ronan Strain, Ciaran Sloan, Ricky Kerr
Darragh Cross: Marcus Miskelly
Shamrocks: Mark Digney, Ciaran Courtney
Warrenpoint: Gary Boyle, Ryan Boyle
Clann na Banna: Paddy Feeney, Ruairi Gillen
Glassdrumman: Connaire Harrison
Carryduff: Ruairi McKay, Ronan McLaughlin

Best single performances against Ballyholland were Benny McArdle (away), Darren O'Hanlon (home), Ronan Strain (away) and Paddy Feeney (away). For my money Benny McArdle and Peter Fitzpatrick are the pick of that list.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 06, 2007, 02:52:07 PM
wobbler how the hell do you know all those names!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 06, 2007, 03:40:38 PM
I just keep an eye out for players who get the better for you. The list is getting longer every year  ;)
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Post by: T O Hare on September 06, 2007, 04:04:09 PM
lads check out the new mayobridge website
http://www.mayobridgegac.com/
check out the media gallery.. some great pictures and a few clips form senior quarter finals.. it shows ronan sextons goals and how close we were to being put out
great work by aiadan mallon and joseph gallagher.. put up my bulletin notes mallon.. come and take clips of the thirds tonight lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on September 06, 2007, 05:10:27 PM
Ive seen Domhnall Murphy play a few times and been impressed, isnt he an armagh man? A solid player. The Mc Ardles and Marty Farrell from Annaclone were also impressive. Big Fitzpatrick is hopefully one for the future as is James Patterson. Soupy Campbell stood out for the Harps IMO interesting to see how he gets on with the county. Courtney didn't play the big ball this year wobbler.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 06, 2007, 05:26:22 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 06, 2007, 04:04:09 PM
lads check out the new mayobridge website
http://www.mayobridgegac.com/
check out the media gallery.. some great pictures and a few clips form senior quarter finals.. it shows ronan sextons goals and how close we were to being put out
great work by aiadan mallon and joseph gallagher.. put up my bulletin notes mallon.. come and take clips of the thirds tonight lol

Brilliant stuff guts - bet you have them all printed and put up on your bedroom wall and gaze at Benny everynight with the moonlight keeping you company!!
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Post by: amallon on September 06, 2007, 05:41:08 PM
cheers tommy. I'm in england at the moment but will put up your stuff when i get home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on September 06, 2007, 07:55:45 PM
Amallon, fantastic work on the website there, some cracking photos there.  I only wish our own site was the same.

Lads, heres a random question, and I only thought of it yesterday:  What is the deal with that van you would have seen at the Down games, the one with the Down logo etc on it?  Surely it does more than just carry footballs to training??  Can anyone enlighten me or give me reason to justify why CB would spend that type of money on a van?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 06, 2007, 08:15:36 PM
QuoteCourtney didn't play the big ball this year wobbler.
Ah, i meant the other one (Is it Paul or Keith?), who played at midfield against us in Ballyholland. We didn't win a clean ball at midfield all game because of him. I presume he is a brother of Ciaran? He's a similar sort of unselfish player.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on September 06, 2007, 08:41:57 PM
alot of people have written the ford off already before a ball has even been kicked i think they will give the bridge there fill of it. We beat the bridge a few weeks back and wasn impressed ford are very nstrong physically and have a lot of proven championship players. Does anyone agree?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 06, 2007, 09:05:53 PM
Neil Courtney!?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 06, 2007, 09:14:18 PM
I'm not suprised you weren't impressed that night townie because we played terrible against you. Your lads have to take some credit for our poor performance that night. The ford came down to our place and out played us for long spells in the recent league game. It will be tight but they won't get it as handy again. We got the best kick up the hole any team could get in the drawn game against Rostrevor. Our lads know they can't sit back and wait for it to happen they know they got to make it happen. I'm nervous but confident for saturday. May the best team win. I.e the bridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 07, 2007, 08:52:20 AM
Quote from: amallon on September 06, 2007, 09:14:18 PM
I'm not suprised you weren't impressed that night townie because we played terrible against you. Your lads have to take some credit for our poor performance that night. The ford came down to our place and out played us for long spells in the recent league game. It will be tight but they won't get it as handy again. We got the best kick up the hole any team could get in the drawn game against Rostrevor. Our lads know they can't sit back and wait for it to happen they know they got to make it happen. I'm nervous but confident for saturday. May the best team win. I.e the bridge

Just hope the weather holds for all games at the weekend.
We will go to Newry with a low esteem but you never know what Bryansford team will take the field these days - they will need to all be top of their game to cause an upset although I would safely the rest of Down will be on our side. Aidan you will agree with this i'd say!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 07, 2007, 09:29:39 AM
I can't see past the Bridge but I reckon the Stone can cause a minor upset and beat Burren. Ladbrookes have Longstone at 11/8. That's well worth including in a treble for the weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 07, 2007, 09:42:15 AM
Ah throw in Mayobridge and pick a short odds favorite from another county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 07, 2007, 09:43:57 AM
Quote from: southdown on September 06, 2007, 07:55:45 PM

Lads, heres a random question, and I only thought of it yesterday:  What is the deal with that van you would have seen at the Down games, the one with the Down logo etc on it?  Surely it does more than just carry footballs to training??  Can anyone enlighten me or give me reason to justify why CB would spend that type of money on a van?

the bus was ross/dj idea and was sponsored by private money - cb had nothing to do with it. it carries balls/water bottles/cones/all other necessities - handy i guess instead of car boots being full of the stuff.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 07, 2007, 09:46:38 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 07, 2007, 08:52:20 AM

although I would safely the rest of Down will be on our side.

south down man here spirit and I would have no want/hope that you beat the bridge at all - i dont think the rest of down will be backing you either. there is no doubt that going into ulster the bridge are still the best equipped to challenge, altho i do think that challenge wont hold against the quality in other counties right now......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 07, 2007, 09:58:34 AM
irish news:

Kilcoo still top the Division One table and will complete their league programme this evening when they play Liatroim. Loughinisland and Bryansford drew last week, meaning that the 'Island will have to depend on the relegation play-offs for survival while Castlewellan must beat Longstone to miss out on the relegation play-offs. If that happens, Bryansford will join Loughinisland and Liatroim in the battle for survival as Atticall are automatically relegated.

Last weekend, Liatroim pulled off a shock win over SFC semi-finalists Longstone, while Kilcoo stay top despite losing against Longstone and Rostrevor. Mayobridge stay in second after their win over Atticall. The other two play-off spots rest between Clonduff, who drew with Burren last week, Longstone, despite their loss at Liatroim, and Clonduff.

In Division Two, all clubs – with the exception of Carryduff, Shamrocks and Downpatrick – have completed their programme. Saval scrambled a one point win over Clann na Banna to remain top, while Ballyholland are in second after their easy win at Carryduff. Annaclone are in fourth place but Downpatrick could catch them if they beat Carryduff in their remaining game. At the bottom, Carryduff are already relegated. Glasdrumman, who lost heavily to Downpatrick, will have to depend on the relegation play-offs for survival. They could be joined by Clann na Banna and Warrenpoint if Shamrocks beat Carryduff this evening.

The spotlight this weekend is on the SFC, IFC and JFC, as well as the SHC semi-finals tomorrow and Sunday.

Kilcoo won the East Down U16 FC 'A', defeating Downpatrick by 1-12 to 1-8 in the final on Sunday after winning the Ulster U16 Og Sport Shield in Kilrea 24 hours earlier.

St Joseph's won the U16 'B' title, defeating holders Teconnaught. St Gall's (Antrim) won the 28th Castlewellan Invitation Sevens, beating the home club in the final by 2-9 to 0-6 with keeper Kieran McGourty winning the player of the tournament for the second time. An unsavoury incident in the quarter-final between Kilcoo (Down) and Moy Tir na nOg (Tyrone) saw both sides disqualified.

Rostrevor won their first ever ladies JFC crown beating Kilcoo by 6-2 to 2-10 in the final at Downpatrick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 07, 2007, 10:44:16 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on September 07, 2007, 09:46:38 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 07, 2007, 08:52:20 AM

although I would safely say the rest of Down will be on our side.

south down man here spirit and I would have no want/hope that you beat the bridge at all - i dont think the rest of down will be backing you either. there is no doubt that going into ulster the bridge are still the best equipped to challenge, altho i do think that challenge wont hold against the quality in other counties right now......

Well everyone's entitled to an opinion but 9 out of ten cats prefer whiskers and i suppose there is always the stubborn one!!!!!
What club are you from then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 07, 2007, 10:47:56 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on September 07, 2007, 09:20:34 AM
Is "Gubber" still playing for Bryansford?

Gubber has stopped playing for the moment and legend has it he is playing with the great Glenavon team in the Irish League, they will love him up there - I wonder how he covers his tattoo in that area?
He always said he was like wee James McCartan and this proves it as he wears his former number 9 shirt for the Lurgan Blues!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on September 08, 2007, 11:04:58 AM
Quote from: Statto-Gael on September 05, 2007, 02:12:44 PM
Friday 7th September 6.30pm
O'Neills International Sportswear League
Div 1: Liatroim v Kilcoo
Div 2: Shamrocks v Carryduff
Div 3: Ardglass v Drumgath

Div 2: Shamrocks 3-14 Carryduff 1-12

Any other scores?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on September 08, 2007, 03:11:14 PM
Does anyone know if any fixtures will be played next Sunday(AIF day and all that)??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 08, 2007, 08:29:05 PM
Mayobridge 4.11 - 0.14 Bryansford

Possibly the most undeserved 9 point win you will ever see, but credit to Mayobridge, they always looked like they had an extra gear when they needed it.

Bryansford dominated possession at midfield for the best part of 50 minutes, but had no answer to Mayobridge's direct football, and to Benny Coulter in particular. Benny ended up with something like 3-3 from at most 9 touches of the ball. Poor Stevie McVeigh should never have been left one on one with him.

Ireland and Carvill dominated midfield throughout the first half and with ten minutes left in that half were 3 points to the good. The two Brannigans were impressive in the full-foward line, as was Gareth Toner at wing-forward. Then Coulter banged in a quick brace and Cathal Magee was allowed to run 30 metres in from the touchline to add another goal. This left 'Ford six behind at the interval.

The Newcastle team were extremely impressive during the opening 10 minutes of the second half, and clawed that lead back to 2 points on a couple of occasions. Mayobridge finally got going a little at midfield and pushed that back out to 4 points when with 10 minutes to go, the 'Ford were awarded a dubious enough penalty. Simon Gribben was probably held back a little, but after turning into trouble, he didn't deserve to be rewarded. 

Quite why substitute Gribben was allowed to hit the penalty, I don't know. He looked hurried, fidgety and anxious, but I suppose it has to be said Liam Coulter still did well to get down low and save it.

The wind was completely knocked out of the 'Ford by the miss and John Caldwell and Pluggy Barry excelled in the final 10 minutes (plus 5 injury), as Mayobridge delivered a deluge of high balls on top of Magee and Coulter. Coulter rewarded the spectators with a couple of fine catches and a trademark third goal, coming in from the touchline and blasting low past Travers. By this stage Bryansford were a shambles.

Best players on show were Coulter, Magee, Adrian Barry, Gavin Barry (after a tricky opening 20 minutes with Brannigan), and Seamus Grant was quite good. Best for 'Ford were Chris Brannigan - badly underused as he looked to have the beating of Brendan Grant any time the ball came in - Carvill, Ireland and Toner.

Luke Howard and Ronan Sexton pretty much cancelled each other out. As did Aidan Shields and Mickey Walsh.

For Shane King watchers, he came on with 10 minutes to go, and although he saw a fair bit of the ball, he slowed things down too much for my liking. Bryansford looked a better team when they they were more direct early doors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 08, 2007, 09:33:38 PM
Down SFC Semi Final
Mayobridge 4-11  Bryansford 0-14

An absolute great game in my eyes. It was very unpredicatable throughout. Benny Coulter was invariably the difference. He destroyed Stevie Toner with a tally of 3-03 from play. Unfortunately for the Ford they didnt have another man who would of been up to the task of marking Benny.
Unbeleivably, Bryansford dominated the possession stakes up until the midpoint in the 2nd half. Gee Morgan, Adrian Carville and Conor Gribben were immense around the middle while Chris Brannigan was excellent in full forward. I was expecting more from Ciaran Brannigan and Conor Maginn but a little bit of inexperience cost them. Luke Howard and Aodhan Shields were also very good and I agree with Wobbler that they both basically neutralised Sexton and Walsh.
The Bridge were really exciting to watch. They tried everything and it generally came off. Benny was a class apart and won tonnes of high ball while Cathal Magee was strong at the edge of the square. Others to shine for them were Kieran O'Hare and Seamus Grant at the back. Brendan Grant was roasted and really didnt look county standard. Just another thing, both Cathal Magee and John Caldwell started today. If memory serves me right they couldnt get anywhere near the Down Minor team of 2005. Just shows the quality we had that year.
I would say the Bridge will be well pleased. Bryansford need a few years yet and a bit more strength in depth.


Down JFC Semi Final
Bosco 1-12  St Michaels 1-10

This was a very poor game. Bosco led 1-07 to 0-04 at the break but St Michaels came back in the 2nd half to draw level at 1-10 apeice. Bosco always looked the stronger though and they got a couple of late points to win it.
Just a few points. How Neil and Bryan Sweeney got on that Down Senior team this year is beyond me. Both are very average even for Junior standard. Bosco will more than likely face Drumaness in the Final. Looking at this game Drumaness will not be overly worried. If Bosco really had of wanted to set down a marker they should of really whopped what is in truth a desparately poor St Michaels team. They will need to up it by another 50% or so.
Have to say BoscoMo yous have some very good players there. Richard Kimberely is a very good full back and Ryan Lynch is a very able half back. I thought the introduction of Keith McCrink done it for ya's. A lot more ball in to Francie Downey would yield more goals I think. By the way why wasnt Ciaran Murtagh playing? Would he not be your best player?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 08, 2007, 09:51:10 PM
Thanks DF.  You are doing a great job keeping us all posted and informed.  Think you deserve a nomination for 'Down Poster of the Year'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on September 09, 2007, 10:22:55 AM
df have to agree with what you say it was a poor game and our wee young team let the nerves get to them we really should have shut the game out at the start of the 2nd half but got compacent and let St.Michaels back into it. Murtagh was away this week but should be available for the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on September 09, 2007, 03:18:33 PM
guys let us know the result of the drumaness v st johns match when it comes in
cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 09, 2007, 06:14:02 PM
SHC Semi Final Result
Ballygalget 0-16 0-11 Portaferry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on September 09, 2007, 06:53:02 PM
sfc longstone win by 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on September 09, 2007, 07:45:27 PM
Wee James collapsed and had to be taken off on a stretcher.  Not the only one as big Peter Trainer was also stretchered off 10 minutes beforehand.  Longstone fully deserved the win and played all the football.  The game teetered on the edge for long periods with two sendings off and more could have gone.  15 minutes of extra time played in which Ambrose came into his own.  Dawson acted like a complete p***k throughout, throwing his arms in the air at every tackle.  Still reckon the stone can beat the bridge but if their full back line play like this again Benny on his own will beat them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 09, 2007, 09:41:20 PM
ACFL Division 3 Table

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           22            34             Playoffs
Saul                22            31             Playoffs
Dundrum         22            31             Playoffs
Bredagh          22            29             Playoffs
--------------------------------------------
Bosco              22            26
Ardglass           22            23
Teconnaught    22            22
Glenn              22            20
------------------------------------------
Drumgath         22           19         Playoffs
Mitchels           22            11         Playoffs
St Pauls           22            10         Playoffs
-------------------------------------------         
Bright              22             8          Relegated
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ExiledGael on September 09, 2007, 09:54:45 PM
Wee James collapsing? Nothing serious is it??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 09, 2007, 10:06:02 PM
Down SFC Semi Final
Longstone 1-09  Burren 0-08

James McCartan collapsing, 14 minutes of injury time being played, Eoin McCartan jumpin' into the crowd to attack a heckler from Longstone, two sendings off and a Burren waterboy throwing a bottle of water at a spectator. What a day of incident.
Really bad game that was stop start throughout. Big Ambrose got the Stone goal in the 1st half while his team just about kept in front in the 2nd. Finishing was poor from both teams.
It was the amount of off the ball incidents that really summed up the game. Chris McGovern of Burren saw red at the start of the 2nd half for striking while Barry Kelly went for skelping PJ McAlinden. The amount of injury time played was due to two incidents. Firstly, Peter Trainor received lengthy treatment before being stretchered off and then James McCartan was stretchered away after he collpased on the sideline. A couple of minutes later Eoin McCartan was walking back towards the dugout before a Longstone supporter told him politely to 'f**k away off back to Tullylish.' McCartan then made a lunge at him.
Apart from all these additional happenings the game was very poor. Longstone seemed afraid to shoot and overdone it at times but Mark Poland and Ambrose Rodgers were brilliant all day. John Magee had a good game in midfield while Cormac Poland and Mickey Higgins were very sound at the back.
Burren were awful. They were way too over physical and their football suffered. McKernan tried hard but had a quiet one while the rest of the forwards were very wasteful. PJ McAlinden should probably have started from the start. Declan Rooney showed well in the 2nd half. On another note big Sean Ward is one dirty bastard. No football in him, just dirt.
It's great to see the Stone in the Final. There is definitely a lot more to come from them.


Down IFC Semi Final
Ballyholland 2-13  Ballymartin 2-14

Best game of the weekend I seen by far. Both teams played well but Ballymartin just had that little bit extra near the end. Ballyholland were in top form in the 1st half. Murtagh was scoring for fun while Mullholland was pulling the strings. Ballymartin couldnt get in to it but they made about three switches before the break which definitely helped their cause in the 2nd half.
The 2nd half was very tight but Ballymartin were definitely the better side.Murtagh went missing as did the Ballyholland midfield. Peter Fitzpatrick started to run the show and the Whites had the men to punish. Ryan Rooney was exceptional at full forward while Cathal McDowell was man of the match on the wing. Sean McManus was also brilliant at the back. A good switch that was made was the introduction of yer boy Paul Cunningham. Looks nothin like a footballer but he turned the game around the middle with his distribution.
Near the end of the game Darren O'Hanlon was clean through on the Ballyholland goal but he got dispossessed. The Newry men then went up the pitch and got a goal to level it but near the death O'Hanlon pointed to win it.
All in all a fantastic game which the better all round team won.


Down IFC Semi Final
Darragh Cross 0-06  Downpatrick 1-07

Down JFC Semi Final
Drumaness 1-15  St Johns 0-03

PS. All the best to Wee James
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on September 09, 2007, 10:06:02 PM
Heard he has been given the all clear and sent home.  Ward had just missed a goal chance and IMO James got so emotional/irate with the miss and just fainted.  He gets too involved during games and his condition was more due to fainting than anything else.  This is a warning though.  I have seen him really lose the bap during games and he needs to settle down.  Getting involved with that wind-up merchant Dawson wouldn't have helped him either - they had several confrontations during the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on September 09, 2007, 11:09:10 PM
Bredagh Win EDRLBredagh won the East Down Reserve League with a 5-15 to 1-08 victory over Liatroim clinching the title from St Pauls & Bryansford. Excellent season for the boys, the seniors in the play-offs and plenty of young talent coming through.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on September 09, 2007, 11:16:41 PM
Was there a free for all on Burren match ? Heard it was very dirty - you're a bit over the top about Sean Ward ( Downfanatic ) - he trains as hard as the rest - puts in tremendous effort and you comoe on here questioning his parentage - now that IS dirty !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on September 09, 2007, 11:22:41 PM
Downfanatic is not one bit over the top about sean ward, he was just out there to hurt somebody, no football in him at all.  And he succeed, big peter could well miss the final over that pricks constant dirt. The cowardly punch he gave Peter from behind right into the head just sums up that ignorant big lump.  Burren would be better suited to trying to play football, dirt clearly didn't work for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on September 09, 2007, 11:32:11 PM
I just think it's unfair to single out someonoe on the board and question his parentage - tell me this - did any of the Longstone players punch anybody tonight ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on September 09, 2007, 11:37:30 PM
Orangeman, where you there to be able to judge? yes, a stone punched and was rightfully sent off at that.  Ward could have had 3 red cards, and that is not an exageration.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on September 09, 2007, 11:40:44 PM
He obviously wasn't as bad as you're making out if he wasn't sent off - it takes two to tango and from what I hear, Longstone were every bit as bas as Burren - ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on September 09, 2007, 11:45:12 PM
Indeed he was.  If you are talking to someone who was actually at the game they will tell you the same.  Downfanatic sums him up well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on September 09, 2007, 11:49:12 PM
The boys that did manage to get sent off must really have deserved it  - Ward wasn't !

You don't like Ward, I take it - is it not a case that he is a big strong, committed player who plays a tough and uncompromising game - if he were playing for Down, you'd be cheering him on !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on September 10, 2007, 07:38:21 AM
SHC Semi Final Result
Ballygalget 0-16 0-11 Portaferry
A poor enough game that lacked the intensity of recent championship matches between these two. Gramham Clarke dislocated his should after 6/7 minutes and had to go off. I must say the reaction of a small section of the Portaferry support was a disgrace. The rivalry between Portaferry and Ballygalget is getting way out of hand.
Playing with a strong breeze Ballygalget went in 10-7 up and I have to say I didn't think they had done enough. In the second half Portaferry never got going at all where as Galgets lifted there game. Ports were missing easy frees and Ballgalget took every opportunity with Magic, Paddy rat and Johnny Boon picking off points. The game was over with 10 minutes left when a 21 yd free was saved by the Ballygalget defence.
Altogether it was a disappointing game for the large crowd but Ballygalget won't worry about that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 10, 2007, 10:46:02 AM
Personally, I thought Burren were a disgrace yesterday. Half of them had no interest in playing football, they were just there to kick lumps out of Longstone. It would have been bad for football if they had have progressed yesterday, so well done to the Stone for (more or less) keeping their tempers under control.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 10, 2007, 11:29:52 AM
Couldnt agree more. I dont see the sense in it myself. This macho intimidation ideal that some Burren men carry onto the field with them nearly every time they line out is not only sad to see but it makes them look foolish also.

A Very Armagh-like performance from Burren - Hoke everythin long & Diagonal to Ciaran Byrne and hope for the best, and when not doing this,pull, drag, kick and generally try to take Stone main men out of it cynically. Must mention that their work ethic and comittment could have seen them through in the end but it would have been unjust to a very mobile and pacy Stone team who looked like they had a point to prove.

Outstanding mention to young Ambrose for great final 20 mins - very much a leader in this period.
Mention for most of Stone's front 6 - great interplay and movement.

from a Burren perspective - County men (and use that term loosely) were woeful to be honest.
PJ Mc Alinden should have started without doubt.
Ciaran Byrne Battled manfully and should have had a pop at posts more often himself.
Murdock in Goals kept them in match in first half with string of saves -fine game.

Referee - ABSOUTELY BRUTAL -bottled several decisions throughtout  - notably not sending off Sean Ward when the tube did nothin but foul all day (and he even did that badly).
he seemed to award softer frees to Burren especially in first half whereas Stone had to work alot harder for frees - see Dan Mc Cartan on several occasions tryin to take Ambrose Shirt and shorts home with him on at least 3 occasions yet no frees. Mc Cartan could have walked too for tally of frees conceded.

Sendings off - Barry Kelly rightly walked for what was a clinker on Mc Alinden.
Chris Mc Govern also rightly sent to the line for tryin to re-construct Barry Doran's face with his elbow/arm. Several more could have walked.

Poor showing again for club Football in Down and not much talent on show to Tempt County Management id say.

was sitting beside a senior referee and he himself couldnt believe how brutal the ref was.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on September 10, 2007, 11:47:08 AM
was at the games on sunday great intermediate game the fioght ballymartin showed when all looked lost has to be admired.the number 9 showed great guts after messing up and ballyholland got a goal made a great catch and scored the winner.

as for the senior game terrible game of football.i doubt the longstone supporter said f**k off back to tullylish i would imagine it was something to do withjames as eoin isnt one to overreact.i backed the stone at 6/4 how burren where favourites is beyond me.their forward line is terrible.from a neutral point of view,sean ward did appear to be looking to get involved everytime he could.even after james collapsed i saw a longstone player go ask for a water bottle and he got a jab in the face!glad longstone got threw as they tried to play football while burren where trying to bully them out of it.ambrose rodgers scored a great point near the end,great run and finish.heard people saying the bridge will walk it though i expect the stone to put it up to them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 10, 2007, 12:21:19 PM
Bridge v the Ford
Our 9 point victory probably flatters us a bit as Bryansford were on top possession wise for large parts of the game.  We just had too much power up front for them which made up for our deficiencies elsewhere on the park.  Congrats to Cathal 'geezer' Magee who must have been watching some Benny Coulter videos because his goal was very Bennyesque!

Burren v Stone
The football wasn't near the standard of the Bridge Bryansford game but there were more twists in this game than a Poirot novel.  Burren like every team have to play to their strenghts and they have big strong lads so why not try and throw your weight about a bit.  I was very impressed with the Stone who went at Burren from the start and played some nice football.  Stone should have won by more.  I'd like to wish Wee James and the Longstone player stretchered off speedy recoveries.

The Final - Mayobridge v Longstone
Its great to see the Stone get to the final and if they weren't playing us I'd probably be supporting them.  Our defence will have to tighten up for the final but so will the Stone's.  Burren could have engineered a couple of goals for themselves yesterday.  I don't think the Stone's mid field will be as strong as Bryansfords so hopefully we get get more ball round the middle.  Can the Stones defence live with our forwards?  I wouldn't be surprised if Ambrose is played in mid field in the final. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on September 10, 2007, 12:24:14 PM
Burren were a disgrace yesterday! with Ward the worst of them all! He ran about the pitch banging into people as hard as he could and for him not to have got sent off is beyond me! The punch on Pj was a clinker!

Ballyholland and Ballymartin was an excellent game, Ballyholland will be kicking themselves having been up 7 points at Half Time. i think they just took the foot off the pedal and were punished......badly!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 10, 2007, 12:39:35 PM
Any word on James? Longstone deserve to be in the final as they've played some great football all year. I'm glad the bully boy tactics didn't work for Burren.

Quote from: Colonel Cool on September 10, 2007, 07:38:21 AM
Gramham Clarke dislocated his should after 6/7 minutes and had to go off. I must say the reaction of a small section of the Portaferry support was a disgrace. The rivalry between Portaferry and Ballygalget is getting way out of hand.
What were they up to? I wasn't surprised by the Ballygalget win I always had them as favorites. Did Paul Braniff play any part in the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 10, 2007, 12:54:15 PM
Quote from: amallon on September 10, 2007, 12:21:19 PM
Bridge v the Ford
Our 9 point victory probably flatters us a bit as Bryansford were on top possession wise for large parts of the game.  We just had too much power up front for them which made up for our deficiencies elsewhere on the park.  Congrats to Cathal 'geezer' Magee who must have been watching some Benny Coulter videos because his goal was very Bennyesque!



Fair play to you Aidan - we were very disappointed to be on the end of a 9 point defeat when we didnt deserve it - although Coulter is a class apart Bryansford management didnt seem to have a plan for him, young Toner was destroyed and should have been moved off him.
Is it true Benny is taking a year out next year to go travelling? If this is the case this will be your last final for a while - Mayobridge were a one man show on Saturday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Figo on September 10, 2007, 12:59:00 PM
i hope james gets well and its nothing serious

but is everyone forgetting that this Down double all ireland medal winner wanted to transfer to Armagh a few years back and more recently wanted to part of a mangement team fronted by Grimley
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownHead on September 10, 2007, 01:00:50 PM
Burren were a complete disgrace. stone men only gave what they got and in most cases nothing at all. how that tube ward was'n sent of is  ??? !!! great for us to get to the final we deserved it!! burren should of shown more respect, just shows nelson munz tactics should be left on the drawing board!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 10, 2007, 01:04:42 PM
Quote from: Figo on September 10, 2007, 12:59:00 PM
i hope james gets well and its nothing serious

but is everyone forgetting that this Down double all ireland medal winner wanted to transfer to Armagh a few years back and more recently wanted to part of a mangement team fronted by Grimley
Feck of back to Hogan Stand young Finnegan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 10, 2007, 01:48:13 PM
ballyholland threw away a cast iron intermediate champ'ship appearance yesterday after being 7 points up at half time. notable incidents apart from attitude of "we are already in the final!";

joe murphy hitting crossbar, shane mulholland tapping an easy point into keeper's hands, then a worse miss with goal gaping, keeper did get fingers to it, but should have been buried. start of second half, murtagh missed easy free then opted to shoot on weaker bad foot instead of slipping it off to a runner on the shoulder.....

if those scores go in, the game is completely dead and is played out at a snail's pace....i guess then you could say ifs and buts, and your uncle's ur aunt etc etc.....

fair play to character of ballymartinl; changes worked well and cleaned harps out in midfield sector for all of second half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 10, 2007, 02:33:57 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 10, 2007, 12:54:15 PM
Is it true Benny is taking a year out next year to go travelling?  If this is the case this will be your last final for a while - Mayobridge were a one man show on Saturday.

Its the first I've heard of him taking a year out.  Its a bit harsh to say we were a one man team, Michael Walsh chipped over 4 points, Seamus Grant had another great game.  Granted if Benny hadn't been playing we'd have been in some trouble but we've shown against Rostrevor that we can perform with out other key men i.e. the two Sextons and Gavin Barry. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on September 10, 2007, 05:54:45 PM
So Oranageman, it seems it wasnt just me who thought Sean ward was a joke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on September 10, 2007, 08:19:33 PM
Was in Newry on Saturday night and thought the game was an absolute treat. 2 teams going really at it some great tackling, great scores and some great saves from both keepers. It was a thorougly entertaining game and it proves to alot of douters out there that there is still alot of talent in Down football.May i also note that the ref played his part aswell thought he was excellent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 10, 2007, 08:40:09 PM
are you gavin corrigan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 10, 2007, 09:13:36 PM
Down GAA Fixtures



Friday 14th September 6.30pm

O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One

Liatroim v Mayobridge

Div Two

Downpatrick v Carryduff



Saturday 15th September

RFC Semi Finals

In An Riocht

2pm Burren v Kilcoo

3.30pm Rostrevor v Castlewellan



Saturday 15th September

Down Democrat JHC Final

2pm in Ballela

Warrenpoint v Bredagh HP Mc Cusker.



Monday 17th September

PRFC Semi Finals 6.15pm

In Ballyholland: Burren v Mayobridge

In Castlewellan: Clonduff v Downpatrick


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on September 10, 2007, 09:16:57 PM
Can anybody who works get to a match for 6.15pm? I know I couldn't.

Good luck to the Point in the Junior Hurling Final. God knows the deserve a win after all the year of effort they've put in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 11, 2007, 12:54:15 PM
Quote from: Townie on September 10, 2007, 08:19:33 PM
Was in Newry on Saturday night and thought the game was an absolute treat. 2 teams going really at it some great tackling, great scores and some great saves from both keepers. It was a thorougly entertaining game and it proves to alot of douters out there that there is still alot of talent in Down football.May i also note that the ref played his part aswell thought he was excellent.

but the senior match was crap right?? ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 11, 2007, 03:04:02 PM
Does anybody know for sure where and when the various championship finals are on? I was told today that the SHC and IHC would be played as a double header in Portaferry on 23rd Sept and that the JFC would be played as a double header with the SFC in Newry on 30th Sept. Is that right? What about the IFC final? Castlewellan would be the right venue.

SFC
Mayobridge v Longstone
30th Sept Newry

SHC
Ballycran v Ballygalget
23rd Sept Portaferry

IFC
Downpatrick v Ballymartin
???
IHC
Ballycran v Ballygalget
23rd Sept Portaferry

JFC
Drumaness v Bosco
30th Sept Newry

JHC
Warrenpoint v Bredagh
15th Sept Ballela

Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 11, 2007, 03:37:04 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 11, 2007, 03:04:02 PM
Does anybody know for sure where and when the various championship finals are on? I was told today that the SHC and IHC would be played as a double header in Portaferry on 23rd Sept and that the JFC would be played as a double header with the SFC in Newry on 30th Sept. Is that right? What about the IFC final? Castlewellan would be the right venue.

The Minor and Senior Football Finals are definitely in Newry on 7th October.

As for the Intermediate Football Final...I really couldnt give a flying fcuk ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 12, 2007, 11:08:45 AM
Quote from: Aristotle Flynn on September 10, 2007, 09:16:57 PM
Can anybody who works get to a match for 6.15pm? I know I couldn't.

Good luck to the Point in the Junior Hurling Final. God knows the deserve a win after all the year of effort they've put in.

I'd say Bredagh deserve to win just as much as Warrenpoint. Both clubs have been doing great work promoting hurling. Anyway it's the team that plays well on the day that wins.
Bredagh are the better team and can take scores from all over the field as they showed winning the league and against Castlewellan and Ballela in the championship. The Point have a solid defence but struggle to score from play. They had a poor enough league but their victories over Ballycran and Portaferry in the JHC have to be respected and I expect them to fight for every ball to the final whistle.
Bredagh lost last years final to Ballyvarley and I know it hurt them but The Point lost out the year before to Darragh Cross and that hurt them.
Little between them I reckon but I go for Bredagh to win by 2-3 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on September 12, 2007, 11:39:03 AM
I agree with Bacon on this one in that both clubs are doing a lot to promote hurling and probably deserve the "lift" a championship at adult level would give their club but to be honest I expect Bredagh to win this by about five points.

No doubt Bredagh left this behind them last year against Ballyvarley and they know it so will be out for revenage this year and indeed have strengthened their team again with a few handy additions during the year. Point will give it their all and won't be found wanting for effort and commitment but some of their players are fairly limited hurlers and Bredagh have the guile and experience to expose this.

It will be interesting to see if the Point play some of their younger hurlers, the likes of Maxwell, Higgins etc are fine young hurlers but often for some reason are left on the peripheral of their senior team when they should be central players given their talent and ability.

Bredagh to win by 5-6 pts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fear Boirche on September 12, 2007, 11:41:13 AM
Just a little query, but who was the last non-Down man to manage a senior championship winning team? I think it was Jim McCorry with the Bridge in 2001. Also, wasn't Frank Dawson the Clonduff manager when they beat Mayobridge in the 2000 final in Newry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 12, 2007, 01:42:48 PM
Quote from: Fear Boirche on September 12, 2007, 11:41:13 AM
Just a little query, but who was the last non-Down man to manage a senior championship winning team? I think it was Jim McCorry with the Bridge in 2001. Also, wasn't Frank Dawson the Clonduff manager when they beat Mayobridge in the 2000 final in Newry?

Bryansford were managed by Benny Corrigan in 2003.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fear Boirche on September 12, 2007, 01:44:44 PM
Thanks.

Is the senior final definitely on October 7?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on September 12, 2007, 10:43:08 PM
if you can find a local bookmakers taking odds on the jhc final,which is unlikely i know,take the belfast men by a dozen!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 13, 2007, 08:50:17 AM
Quote from: east down gael on September 12, 2007, 10:43:08 PM
if you can find a local bookmakers taking odds on the jhc final,which is unlikely i know,take the belfast men by a dozen!
I doubt very much if it will be anything like 12 points!  Warrenpoint have improved this year after some poor results at the start of the year and had a good run in the Ulster league. They have an excellent minor team and will be a force at this level if they can bring those young lads through to the senior team but I think this is a year too soon for them. Bredagh have been totally focused on the JHC since they lost last years final in Kilclief and I'm confident they will do the business on Saturday. Bredagh to win by 2-3 points in a low scoring affair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 13, 2007, 01:39:05 PM
Would love to go to the JHF but where is Balella. 
Anybody got directions from either the Point or Belfast approaches?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale3 on September 13, 2007, 01:48:40 PM
Ballela direction - see www.bredaghgac.com
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 13, 2007, 02:20:14 PM
there always seems to be a great interest in down hurling amongst posters on this board, especially from non ards areas which is great to see. but i couldnt help but wonder is there anything being done within the county to encourage clubs to start playing hurling? bredagh are only newly formed and have been a breath of fresh air to hurling in the county but it would seem that we need more of the same. what would need to be done to encourage more clubs to embrace hurling as in my opinion this is the most important way to develop hurling ie, actually get more people playing it.

any views?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 13, 2007, 02:26:08 PM
well, we have started a hurling training session on a saturday afternoon for the kids. it is more of a come down and get introduced to hurling and shown the basics, but this will hopefully develop their interest in the sport and in the long run, will hopefully lead to us entering a team in one of the underage leagues some tine down the line!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 13, 2007, 02:51:49 PM
thats good st pauls, you would be one of the clubs i would be thinking of for starting such an initiative. i also hear that carryduff have underage hurling structures set up which is good to hear.

in my opinion we could do with more development in south down, especially around the mournes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 13, 2007, 04:43:30 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on September 13, 2007, 02:51:49 PM

in my opinion we could do with more development in south down, especially around the mournes.
A Mourne hurling club was set up 3 or 4 years ago and they have been fielding at under age level. All the GAA clubs in Mourne contribute to the running of the club and they train at St Louis School and at Longstone. They've produced some great wee hurlers but I think they struggle due to a lack of coaches in the area. It's an area JC and PB should be focusing on.

Ardglass are involved at u8/u10 level and there's talk of Downpatrick & Darragh Cross getting together to field again for next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 13, 2007, 05:08:54 PM
thats good news, it seems some effort is being made. does anyone think there would be the possibility of starting a hurling competition for football only clubs? or at least see how many teams would be interested in trying to get a team togeather? theres one for the hurling task force.

i can remeber a time when mayobridge and rostrevor both played hurling, i think maybe bryansford did too, and darragh cross played until a couple of years back. just got me thinking that maybe the best way to develop hurling would be to try to revive it in these areas.

one of the biggest problems seems to be the cost of starting and maintaining a hurling team. is there not any sort of grant from croke park available for this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 13, 2007, 05:09:57 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on September 10, 2007, 07:38:21 AM
SHC Semi Final Result
Ballygalget 0-16 0-11 Portaferry
A poor enough game that lacked the intensity of recent championship matches between these two. Gramham Clarke dislocated his should after 6/7 minutes and had to go off. I must say the reaction of a small section of the Portaferry support was a disgrace. The rivalry between Portaferry and Ballygalget is getting way out of hand.
Playing with a strong breeze Ballygalget went in 10-7 up and I have to say I didn't think they had done enough. In the second half Portaferry never got going at all where as Galgets lifted there game. Ports were missing easy frees and Ballgalget took every opportunity with Magic, Paddy rat and Johnny Boon picking off points. The game was over with 10 minutes left when a 21 yd free was saved by the Ballygalget defence.
Altogether it was a disappointing game for the large crowd but Ballygalget won't worry about that.

T'was a poor game alright with very few points from play but in fairness the tight confines of the pitch are always going to mitigate against high scoring games down there.
Even though we won I think we have real concerns about our half forward line who apart from Magic didn't win enough ball. Both Gary Flynn and Stevie Clarke getting called ashore long before the end. I can't think of either striking leather with any significance during their duration on the field. Barry Coulter adds much needed physique and experience in this area but he hasn't the legs for 60 minutes any more. Maybe some younger blood will get a chance in the final!!
Stevie Johnson needs to let the ball into the forwards earlier as his solo running is abysmal, a boot up the hole required there IMO. Gabs Clarke swept up a lot of the breaking ball aimed for BA and although did give away silly free's was the pick of our defence. I'd still like to see him in midfield but with a Bo Duke getting his first start in centre back I can understand the logic of keeping him back there.
I really couldn't understand the Ports who had nothing barring a forray from Coogie and BA didn't really trouble a suspect Ballygalget defence early on. With a new keeper from very early on, novice fullback and centre back making their championship starts not really tested. The fight went out of them early plus McGarry for all his faults was far from Portaferry's worst player, Marty should of maybe looked a bit closer to home as wee Pete had a mare from the start. Neither big Emmet or Niall McGee are going to break any delf yet stayed on long enough. Zelda as I've said in the past relied very heavily on his now defunct speed, Paddy rat exposed him on several occasions yet Zelda stayed on ahead of Ryan Conlon who's a better hurler and defender.
I see Dule was stripped out but it would of been pure madness to consider bringing him on at any stage on sunday. He's now got the winter and spring to get himself right and it's the best in the long term.

HTF.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 13, 2007, 09:06:40 PM
Behind the Wire - I think you've hit one of the nails on the head. Hurling costs more than football and for this reason club committees are reluctant to encourage it. It's also expensive compared to football for parents with young ones. Just by way of example - I look after a minor team and 2 weeks ago we went down to Kilcief for a league game. It was a very close game played in a sporting manner and both teams enjoyed it. We lost 6 balls and the lads broke 9 sticks. A ball costs £5.50 and a stick around £12. Plus every lad had to have a helmet at £35 a go.
It's alot dearer than football for clubs & parents. I think the GAA outh to subsisdise hurling toput it on a level playing field.

In the 80s the county Board got an interest in promoting hurling and launched a competion for football clubs. It worked to an extent and may be worth trying again. I think they ran it on Tuesdays (hurling night as a 9-11 aside competition).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 14, 2007, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: imagine on September 14, 2007, 10:22:40 AM
On the basis of who would benefit more from the JHC final,I think it would be Warrenpoint in the short term as they have been putting in the effort over a longer period of time.Having been at Bredagh's talk show there seems to be a good collection of gaels who'll get over any disappointment they might get tomorrow and come back stronger next year.
I think for Bredagh this is next year! They threw it away last year and for some of their older players like Lorenzo & Danny H this could be the last chance. Having said that you're right about the Point plugging away for over 30 years with little to show for the effort.  Good luck to both clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on September 15, 2007, 07:21:58 AM
Quote from: wobbller on September 15, 2007, 01:54:11 AM
While I am sure it is quite exciting for Warenpoint and Bredagh,who really gives a toss about this match?Is there no football of any description on this week?
Catch yourself on wobbler. This is a GAA discussion board and if lads want to discuss GAA what's your problem? Where you p*ssed in the early hours when you posted or just annoyed that Ballyholland are out of the Championship?
To keep you happy here's a result from last nights Div 2 Football - Downpatrick 3-15 0-07 Carryduff. The hoops confirm a play off place. Carryduff were already down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 15, 2007, 10:47:12 AM
With the League season proper basically at an end (playoffs remaining of course) I think it would be interesting to name our Divisional AllStar teams. Here would be my Division 3 selection based purely on League form.

Goalkeeper                                                           
Andy Coleman (Bosco)

Full Back Line
Neil McComiskey (Dundrum)       
Gareth Johnson (Tullylish)       
Niall Fitzpatrick (Drumgath)

Half Back Line
Donnan Ritchie (Saul)                 
Jody Gormley (Bredagh)         
Kevin McKiverghan (Tullylish)

Midfield
Adam King (Saul)                     
Peter Quinn (Tullylish)

Half Forward Line
Eamon Pollock (Mitchels)           
Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)           
Kyle Brennan (Bosco)

Full Forward Line
Mark Brannigan (Drumgath)           
Nathan Keenan (Saul)                 
Enda Gormley (Bredagh)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 15, 2007, 04:45:58 PM
JHC Result Bredagh 2-10 1-02 Warrenpoint
Just in from the Junior Hurling Final which Bredagh won on a scoreline of 2-10 to 1-02. The Point weren't at the match and it was played at a pedestrian pace in the first half. Playing with the strong wind Warrenpoint allowed Bredagh to dominate and they scored 1-4 while The Point hit wide after wide. Warrenpoint finally found the target with a pointed free in injury time at the end of the first half.
The Point improved a bit in the second half and in truth that wasn't hard to do they were so poor in the first. They pulled back to within 4 points of the south Belfast men but Bredagh scored a goal & 4 points without reply to run out easy winners.
Down Democrat Man of the match was Ian Galway for Bredagh. Danny Hughes, Fergal McCamphill, Paul Doole and Eoin Donnelly were excellent for the winners. Spud Murphy in goals and Deccy Boyle at full back were the only Point players to impress.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on September 15, 2007, 06:12:51 PM
Well done to the hurlers and Ian Galway for his MoM performance.
That's JHC and Div 2 for the hurlers, EDRFL and the Div 3 play-offs to come for the Snr footballers. Not bad for a wee City club!!!
Any word of venues for the play-offs yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 15, 2007, 06:25:00 PM
agree with Bacon's assessment of a dour game, a long night in the Paradox beckons for the boys, Danny Hughes was his normal fantastic self, does he now have the full set of Senior, intermediate and junior hurling medals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 15, 2007, 10:39:29 PM
delighted to see bredagh secure the hurling title-especially with the likes of danny hughes and lorenzo mcmullan on board.For bredagh to start a hurling club from scratch and do so well is a massive achievement.
If bredagh can build on their success with competing against the ards at underage level -it will give Down a hurling foothold in the city,which could be a catalyst for a hurling revival in the county.
well done bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 16, 2007, 12:14:55 AM
Bredagh's fine under-age structures mean they have every chance of progressing. Informed sources say Danny Hughes does not have an Intermediate medal...yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 16, 2007, 08:20:44 AM
Wel done the Bredadh Hurlers.  I know they wanted this one badly, esp after the dissapointment of last year.

Heard also that the Stone cleaned up at Kilmacud.  If so well done again.  Gr8 to see a former club do so well, now go on a take the County title as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 16, 2007, 10:32:40 AM
There's a few sore heads around south Belfast this morning. I left the Parador around 2 and the party was still in full swing. Delighted with the result and looking forward to giving Ulster a rattle. Apparently we now face the Armagh Junior Champions in Newry on 30th September.

I heard Longstone beat St Gall's by 11 points in the final. Congratulations.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 16, 2007, 12:09:56 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 16, 2007, 10:32:40 AM
There's a few sore heads around south Belfast this morning. I left the Parador around 2 and the party was still in full swing. Delighted with the result and looking forward to giving Ulster a rattle. Apparently we now face the Armagh Junior Champions in Newry on 30th September.

I heard Longstone beat St Gall's by 11 points in the final. Congratulations.

will be great if it is the 30th, wont clash withh the football play offs.

Lecale, seen a few of the team this morning at the underage training, looked OK to me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weeman on September 16, 2007, 09:30:59 PM
good point from 6th sam - until Down get another 2 or 3 senior clubs they're going nowhere fast - hopefully the likes of Bredagh can compete with the Ards teams in the future but it's at least 5/6 years away at the minute
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 16, 2007, 09:42:43 PM
Its a brilliant result fot the Belfast team, we have lot of kids who want to play hurling and are more than capable of doing it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on September 17, 2007, 08:06:59 AM
Well done to Bredagh on winning the Junior Hurling. Hopefully they can do well in Ulster.
Both Bredagh and Warrenpoint have been putting it up to the Ards clubs in juvenile hurling for the past 2 or 3 years. It's the result of hard work put in coaching kids 5 or 6 years ago and both clubs are still at it. Keep up the hard work lads and you get what you work for.

I hear Ned Morgan will be ref for the Senior final!  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 17, 2007, 08:51:01 AM
Well done to Bredagh on lifting the junior championship title, now to kick on and go further in the Ulster junior championship.
Long term the problems facing Bredagh is to integrate the young fella's coming through U-16 and minor etc onto the team to keep them involved in the game as those are the ages you'll lose most players and with a dert of fixtures within the county for young lads that age they'll need threw into adult hurling in carerfully selected games.

It'll be good to have another club contributing to both the county underage and adult teams and more power to their elbow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on September 17, 2007, 10:19:55 AM
Any word of Wee James ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 17, 2007, 11:25:32 AM
what the f*** is going on with the div 3 playoffs Firstly we are told they are down for 30th sept and will not be brought forward then it is brought forward to this saturday at 2.00pm then we are now hearing it will probably be played on sunday either at 1pm or 2pm no one knows yet and they are still not sure where it will be played. i think a game involving Dundrum and Saul should be in either downpatrick or ballykinlar although i hear brights new pitch looks pretty well, tullylish and breadagh match in either castlewellan or dromara but hey who are we to second guess the people in charge we are only the paying supporters and players who have to constantly change are plans because some pen pusher thinks it would be good to stage a double header to charge more money at the gate. and lets be honest the championship was not the best standard this year so playoffs in september are hardly going to be memorable.
To sum up give the players and supporters a chance and get it sorted fixtures commitee.
whats your take down fanatic
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 17, 2007, 11:45:11 AM
As anyone heard anything at all about the Div 3 play offs yet? it has always been the 22nd, 29th and the 6th, so i am a little concerned with Of the Laces post stating they may be moved.

It is a farce that here we are 5 days away from the proposed date and no times or venues out yet, is it the same for the other play offs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 17, 2007, 11:52:57 AM
QuoteAny word of Wee James ??

He was in fine fettle yesterday. Rumours of his demise etc etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on September 17, 2007, 11:53:43 AM
Congrats to Bredagh on a well deserved win on Saturday. At no stage did they look to be under real pressure and even when the Point scored the goal they replied with a point themsleves staright away afterwards. Some good performance from Danny Hughes, Liam Mc Collum (hope for us old timers yet!) along with Eoghan Donnelly and Ian Galway - some great hurling men in that club and it is good to see them getting the reward their efforts clearly deserve.

The Point in fairness were very poor and some of their striking or lack of had to be seen to be beleived. Didn't help themselves by leaving some of the best minors in the county on the sideline and putting Karl Maxwell into corner forward, crazy stuff. In the 1st half when they had the breeze they hit wide after wide to the same side particularly from frees it must have been really frustrating if you were a point supporter.

I expect Bredagh to beat the winners of the Killeavey V Portadown match (Armagh final) and move onwards, the big challenge for them will be integrating their young players into the side made more difficult in the fact that they will be up a division next year. Some of the older lads will probably find the step up a bit difficult on the legs as well so I think consolidation will be Bredagh's first priority next year and blooding some of the younger lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 17, 2007, 11:56:49 AM
QuoteAs anyone heard anything at all about the Div 3 play offs yet? it has always been the 22nd, 29th and the 6th, so i am a little concerned with Of the Laces post stating they may be moved.

First games confirmed for the 23rd. Interestingly the Div 3 playoffs have been confirmed as three way between St Pauls Drumgath and Mitchels despite a new set of bylaws being published allowing for a three way playoff (Bright are already gone) at the bottom.

The words piss up and brewery spring to mind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 17, 2007, 12:25:57 PM
Passedit

is this all the play off games? where did you get the comfirmation from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 17, 2007, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on September 17, 2007, 08:06:59 AM

I hear Ned Morgan will be ref for the Senior final!  :-\

It's true Colonel. I wonder when Ned last refereed a senior game of any significance!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 17, 2007, 02:52:13 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 17, 2007, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on September 17, 2007, 08:06:59 AM

I hear Ned Morgan will be ref for the Senior final!  :-\

It's true Colonel. I wonder when Ned last refereed a senior game of any significance!!

I'm surprised by that appointment. Ned's a decent sort who has been refereeing for 20 years but I thought he didn't like going to the Ards? When was the last time you saw him in Ballygalget Johnnycool? This is clearly a reward for long service and I suppose there aren't that many hurling refs in the county.
I really think we should bring in an outsider to referee the senior final. Many other counties do that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on September 17, 2007, 03:03:06 PM
Bacon can't believe they have appointed Ned, nice enough guy but a poor ref in my opinion certainly for that quality of match. County Hurling final is the biggest day for hurling people in the county and there should have been efforts to secure a top class ref. Don't see why they didn't ask Ray Matthews, would have been a great choice IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 17, 2007, 03:13:00 PM
Pull Hard - agree 100%.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 17, 2007, 03:28:12 PM
Quoteis this all the play off games? where did you get the comfirmation from?

Clubs have been informed.

Double header sunday
Tullylish v Bredagh 1pm Newcastle
Saul v Dundrum 3pm? Newcastle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 17, 2007, 03:54:10 PM
got it comfirmed earlier on, thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 17, 2007, 06:32:37 PM
Down GAA Fixtures


Monday 17th September


PRFC Semi Finals 6.15pm

In Ballyholland: Burren v Mayobridge

In Castlewellan: Clonduff v Downpatrick

Tuesday 18th September

RFC Semi Final 6.15pm

In Newcastle: Rostrevor v Castlewellan

Saturday 22 September


O'Neills International Sportswear League

Div One 5pm

Mayobridge v Clonduff

Castlewellan v Longstone

Burren v An Riocht

Sunday 23 September

Down Democrat SHC Final

3.30pm in Portaferry

Ballycran v Ballygalget


Div One Playoff in Castlewellan

3pm Liatroim v Loughinisland


Div Two Playoffs in Clonduff:

1.30pm Ballyholland v Downpatrick

3pm Saval v Ballymartin

In Atticall 3pm: Warrenpoint v Glasdrumman

Div Three Playoffs in Newcastle:

1.30pm Tullylish v Bredagh

3pm Saul v Dundrum

In Castlewellan 1.30pm: Mitchels v St. Pauls

South Down Fixture


Sunday 23 September 5pm

(Venue To Be Confirmed)

NBS Ltd. RFL Final

Ballyholland v Burren



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 17, 2007, 10:19:26 PM
Off the Laces, the Division 3 Playoffs were always set for the 22nd, 29th and the 6th.
Tullylish v Bredagh starts at 1.30pm and Dundrum v Saul starts at 3pm in a double header at Newcastle this Sunday.

After this the setup is as follows: Saul v Bredagh, Tullylish v Dundrum and then the final set is Tullylish v Saul and Dundrum v Bredagh.

I would presume that the reason why the 1st set of games has been moved to the 23rd is to accomodate our U-16's who are in a County Final on Saturday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 18, 2007, 08:04:32 AM
Quote from: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on September 17, 2007, 03:03:06 PM
Bacon can't believe they have appointed Ned, nice enough guy but a poor ref in my opinion certainly for that quality of match. County Hurling final is the biggest day for hurling people in the county and there should have been efforts to secure a top class ref. Don't see why they didn't ask Ray Matthews, would have been a great choice IMO.

It certainly reeks of a pat on the back for Ned, but I really do have concerns as to how these refs are appointed. How many senior games has Ned refereed in his career let alone this year? A similar thing happened a few years back when Frank McDonald was appointed and he'd refereed very few games let alone senior games that year.

I know there are issues with bringing in outsiders to referee the showcase finals as the Camogie board have had a few defections since they brought in Una Kearney from Armagh to referee this years final and didn't give it to some of the local ref's but if there isn't an obvious candidate refereeing at that level through the year an external referee has to be looked at.

I only hope that Ned's inexperience at this level doesn't have a bearing on the result and that we're not talking about him again on monday morning..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 18, 2007, 10:06:02 AM
Anyone know anywhere giving any odds for the Junior final between Bosco and Drumaness? Even if they just tell me the odds, work in bookies here and fella looking odds so thought I would try here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 18, 2007, 10:57:55 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 18, 2007, 08:04:32 AM
Quote from: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on September 17, 2007, 03:03:06 PM
Bacon can't believe they have appointed Ned, nice enough guy but a poor ref in my opinion certainly for that quality of match. County Hurling final is the biggest day for hurling people in the county and there should have been efforts to secure a top class ref. Don't see why they didn't ask Ray Matthews, would have been a great choice IMO.

It certainly reeks of a pat on the back for Ned, but I really do have concerns as to how these refs are appointed. How many senior games has Ned refereed in his career let alone this year? A similar thing happened a few years back when Frank McDonald was appointed and he'd refereed very few games let alone senior games that year.

I know there are issues with bringing in outsiders to referee the showcase finals as the Camogie board have had a few defections since they brought in Una Kearney from Armagh to referee this years final and didn't give it to some of the local ref's but if there isn't an obvious candidate refereeing at that level through the year an external referee has to be looked at.

I only hope that Ned's inexperience at this level doesn't have a bearing on the result and that we're not talking about him again on monday morning..
Down refs will walk if they start giving all the big matches to outsiders but you need experience at senior level before taking on the SHC final. There are very few options for the final this year and I would like to see an outsider brought in as a one off.
You won't get senior hurling experience in Down so I would like to see more of our hurling refs volunteering to do games in Antrim & Ulster leagues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 18, 2007, 11:14:41 AM
Bacon, its hard enough to get refs to do the matches (in football anyway) that they are actually appointed to do because they have too far to travel, so i am not sure how easy it would be to try and get refs to travel to other counties to do so!!!! there has been a spate of refs who swop matches the night before the games so that it suits them better to travel 5 minutes up the road than 45 minutes to the match they were suppose to referee!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 18, 2007, 12:12:17 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 18, 2007, 11:14:41 AM
Bacon, its hard enough to get refs to do the matches (in football anyway) that they are actually appointed to do because they have too far to travel, so i am not sure how easy it would be to try and get refs to travel to other counties to do so!!!! there has been a spate of refs who swop matches the night before the games so that it suits them better to travel 5 minutes up the road than 45 minutes to the match they were suppose to referee!!

That maybe true but I don't think the Down county board will be giving the county senior football final to someone who's refereed Div2 and Div3 games all year. For years both JA Gribben and HP McCusker travelled up to Antrim to referee games and so are others like Hugh Torney and Deccy McGee so its not a recent thing. I just think senior referee's should referee senior games and so on. If no one fits the criteria then we need to get an outside referee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on September 18, 2007, 12:43:11 PM
passedit - thanks for the update - glad to hear he is well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 18, 2007, 01:17:58 PM
how did burren v bridge reserves go last night
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 18, 2007, 02:12:09 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on September 18, 2007, 01:17:58 PM
how did burren v bridge reserves go last night

Burren won easy enough in the end. 'bridge were poor throughout....only two points scored in the first half ...both by Mickey Linden....legend or not its bad news when you are depending on a man of his age to get your scores for you and your other best player is the Paul Cunningham...the next oldest man on the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on September 18, 2007, 02:29:35 PM
i got 6-4 at the start of the junior championship on the bosco not sure what drumaness where but will find out and i will try and find out what both teams are now though i guess drumaness would be favourites.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 18, 2007, 02:36:36 PM
Cheers boscomo, i'm just looking for the match prices for a mate of mine who plays for St Mick's, he thinks after the semi he knows who's gonna win!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on September 18, 2007, 06:19:02 PM
Any word on any ACPRL reserve fixtures? we havent had a game in near 2 months, its becoming a joke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on September 18, 2007, 10:09:22 PM
nial give hughes bookies in newry a wee ring, they are on monaghan street if you need the number they will give you a match price.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on September 19, 2007, 02:18:12 PM
to be fair the premier reserve semi final between burren and the bridge was tough conditions to play in 4 both side, the fact that burren won the toss and chose to play wi the wind in the first half was significant! its very difficult to come out in the second half that far behind.

i personally think burren will win it now, as clonduff hav lost too many players to their senior team!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 19, 2007, 02:24:35 PM
The goals from the Bridge v Ford game are on the Bridge site if anyone wants a gander

http://mayobridge.down.gaa.ie/2007videoclips.html
(http://mayobridge.down.gaa.ie/2007videoclips.html)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 19, 2007, 05:37:10 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 17, 2007, 10:19:26 PM
Off the Laces, the Division 3 Playoffs were always set for the 22nd, 29th and the 6th.
Tullylish v Bredagh starts at 1.30pm and Dundrum v Saul starts at 3pm in a double header at Newcastle this Sunday.

But that is what my gripe is you say the fixtures where always set for 22 although it will be played on the 23. How do you plan anything ???


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 19, 2007, 06:35:32 PM
Got the number off one of your club men who used to work for Hughes' mo, said for me to ring back next week they'd have odds closer to the match. Cheers!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Guillem2 on September 19, 2007, 10:17:39 PM
What's the arrangements for the Down hurling final on Sunday? I usually try to get down to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 20, 2007, 08:20:54 AM
3.30pm throw in down in Portaferry Guillem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 20, 2007, 10:57:38 AM
Quote from: amallon on September 19, 2007, 02:24:35 PM
The goals from the Bridge v Ford game are on the Bridge site if anyone wants a gander

http://mayobridge.down.gaa.ie/2007videoclips.html
(http://mayobridge.down.gaa.ie/2007videoclips.html)



After looking at that it justs proves the route one game is alive and kicking in Mayobridge! fair play!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on September 20, 2007, 11:30:58 AM
Weekend Predictions anyone ? 

Saturday 22 September

Div One 5pm

Mayobridge v Clonduff  [Bridge]
Castlewellan v Longstone [Longstone]
Burren v An Riocht [Burren]

Sunday 23 September

Down Democrat SHC Final (3.30pm in Portaferry)
Ballycran v Ballygalget [Ballygalget]

Div One Playoff in Castlewellan
3pm Liatroim v Loughinisland [Island]

Div Two Playoffs in Clonduff:
1.30pm Ballyholland v Downpatrick  [Ballyholland]
3pm Saval v Ballymartin  [Ballymartin]
In Atticall 3pm: Warrenpoint v Glassdrumman [Warrenpoint]

Div Three Playoffs in Newcastle:
1.30pm Tullylish v Bredagh [Tullylish]
3pm Saul v Dundrum [Draw - too tight to call]
In Castlewellan 1.30pm: Mitchels v St. Pauls  [St Pauls]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on September 20, 2007, 11:46:35 AM

Saturday 22 September

Div One 5pm

Mayobridge v Clonduff  [Bridge]
Castlewellan v Longstone [Longstone]
Burren v An Riocht [Burren]


Div One Playoff in Castlewellan
3pm Liatroim v Loughinisland (loughinisland)
Div Two Playoffs in Clonduff:
1.30pm Ballyholland v Downpatrick  [Ballyholland]
3pm Saval v Ballymartin  (saval)
In Atticall 3pm: Warrenpoint v Glassdrumman (Warrenpoint)

Div Three Playoffs in Newcastle:
1.30pm Tullylish v Bredagh (Tullylish)
3pm Saul v Dundrum (dundrum)
In Castlewellan 1.30pm: Mitchels v St. Pauls (mitchels)

RESERVE FOOTBALL LEAGUE FINAL

Burren vs Ballholland    (burren) close match
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 20, 2007, 12:08:22 PM
Are you playing in that reserve match hen?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on September 20, 2007, 12:12:40 PM
no thats the 3ths!! plus im from neither of those clubs ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 20, 2007, 12:44:28 PM
DOWN followers no doubt hope that one day their county can be up there challenging again.

However, 'Concerned Downman' believes the structure of club football in the Mourne county is damaging their chances on the county stage:

"Considering Down is a county where the critical mind can flourish, it was perhaps surprising that, after a season which only yielded one competitive win, criticisim of Ross and DJ was fairly muted.

"This is probably because the general consensus around the county is that the we don't have enough players of genuine inter-county standard. So how come this proud county is not producing the players we need in sufficient numbers?

"It can certainly be argued that Down boasts coaching structures, development squads, etc on a par with anywhere in the country. In recent times we have seen an All-Ireland minor title and a Hogan Cup come to the county. We can also point to a healthy representation in last year's Sigerson Cup triumph for Queen's and finalists Jordanstown.

"It therefore appears logical to me that our adult club football isn't carrying on the good work being done at underage level. Imagine my surprise then when your correspondent, Paddy Heaney devoted a recent Against the Breeze column to praising Down's excellent league programme and the organisation thereof.

"Paddy plays for Bredagh in Division Three and they began their league programme on Friday April 13 and finished it on August 31, having played 22 league games and two championship games. Not counting two weeks in July (a football-free

zone in Down) this means that 24 games were shoe-horned into 18 weeks. None of these fixtures were played on a Sunday (another football-free zone in Down).

"During this 18-week period, there were two 11-day periods when club footballers in Down had to play four league games. Imagine the outcry if David Jeffrey or Mark McCall had to as their professional players to play four games in 11 days. The powers that be in Down ask our amateur club footballers to do so after doing a day's work on each match-day.

"My own club, Dromara, played 19 games in total, but only had football in 15 out of the 18 weeks due to byes in our league.

"Mr Heaney's article also heavily criticised an unnamed county for depriving club footballers of competitive action for a period of six weeks, claiming that this would drive players into the arms of other sports.

"The bulk of club footballers in Down now face six months without competitive action.

"I believe that this feast or famine approach to fixtures is damaging Down football. We must offer our adult players serious competitive action in more than 18 weeks out of 52 in a calendar year or else Down football will continue to be battling 'Against the Gale'."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 20, 2007, 03:10:39 PM
Concerned Downman's reflections on the club leagues are valid.
The current adult club structure is not acceptable--a 5 month long season is crazy.
I don't blame the fixture's secretary-he runs the fixtures well .
It's the system that needs improved.

You only have to look at Drumgath-their reward for providing 3 players to the county squad this year--is a frustating season ,ending up in the bottom 4,because of the starred system.

We have to protect our county players,give club players regular football,and stop penalising clubs with county men!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Forgot me Boots on September 20, 2007, 05:24:22 PM
Guys

looking at the teams in the 3rd division promotion playoffs it could come down to a four way tie, well thats if my maths is correct.

if thats the case, or there are 2 teams on the same points what is the next deciding factor for the winner, then whats next?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiffler on September 20, 2007, 05:30:54 PM
Is it true that Drumgath are jumping from the Senior Championship down to the Junior Championship next year? surely they are too good for that level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 20, 2007, 07:13:59 PM
Looks like it, after winning the imtermediate they were in the Senior, now in a relegation play off, paid a big price for having county players on the team, and other problems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 20, 2007, 07:48:48 PM
Quote from: Forgot me Boots on September 20, 2007, 05:24:22 PM
Guys

looking at the teams in the 3rd division promotion playoffs it could come down to a four way tie, well thats if my maths is correct.

if thats the case, or there are 2 teams on the same points what is the next deciding factor for the winner, then whats next?

the way things are going i can see a 2 way tie at least, the four teams in it are capable of beating eachother, I have no idea, DF or Down Statto do you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 20, 2007, 09:29:12 PM
I'd be very surprised if the CCC allow any club to drop from Senior to Junior in one year. They'll have to play a year at intermediate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 21, 2007, 07:38:11 AM
Out right betting for the SFC:

Mayobridge  1/3   
Longstone  9/4

Ladbrookes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 21, 2007, 09:28:55 AM
Quote from: stiffler on September 20, 2007, 05:30:54 PM
Is it true that Drumgath are jumping from the Senior Championship down to the Junior Championship next year? surely they are too good for that level

Quote from: Lecale2 on September 20, 2007, 09:29:12 PM
I'd be very surprised if the CCC allow any club to drop from Senior to Junior in one year. They'll have to play a year at intermediate.

yeah, i would have thought they would have at least just gone back down to intermediate level, they would be to good for junior level IMO, would probably just go straight back up a level after next season i would think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 21, 2007, 09:58:11 AM
My Predictions for this weekend - the shitty playoffs etc are returning with the cold weather & dark evenings - YIPPEEEEEEEEEE


Saturday 22 September

Div One 5pm

Mayobridge v Clonduff  [Bridge]
Castlewellan v Longstone [Castlewellan]
Burren v An Riocht [Draw]

Sunday 23 September

Down Democrat SHC Final (3.30pm in Portaferry)
Ballycran v Ballygalget [Ballycran]

Div One Playoff in Castlewellan
3pm Liatroim v Loughinisland [Liatroim]

Div Two Playoffs in Clonduff:
1.30pm Ballyholland v Downpatrick  [Ballyholland]
3pm Saval v Ballymartin [Draw]
In Atticall 3pm: Warrenpoint v Glassdrumman [Warrenpoint]

Div Three Playoffs in Newcastle:
1.30pm Tullylish v Bredagh [Tullylish]
3pm Saul v Dundrum [Saul]
In Castlewellan 1.30pm: Mitchels v St. Pauls [Mitchells]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on September 21, 2007, 11:30:49 AM
I'm thinking of headin over for the senior hurling final on Sunday. Where is the pitch in Portaferry when you come off the ferry from Strangford?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 21, 2007, 12:52:47 PM
Turn right when you come off the boat. Drive along the sea front then turn left into Cook Street. The pitch is up that road about half mile.
I'm headin across myself so I'll maybe be on the same boat. Ballygalget will be favorites and I expect them to sneek it by a point in a very tight game. Anybody else going over? Will the bar in the club house be open?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on September 21, 2007, 07:20:28 PM
QuoteLooks like it, after winning the imtermediate they were in the Senior, now in a relegation play off, paid a big price for having county players on the team, and other problems.

Problems began after the Championship win last year by taking Sheerin back - the senior team has been in freefall ever since.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on September 21, 2007, 10:30:28 PM
What did Sheerin do?  I heard he's a bit of a loose cannon alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on September 21, 2007, 10:38:35 PM
I'll leave that up to the Drumgath posters to tell you.  He's madness personified. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 22, 2007, 10:52:56 AM
I like Dougie! He's a mooncat!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 22, 2007, 05:14:49 PM
Down U-16 A Football Championship Final

Kilcoo 1-13  Ballyholland 1-07


Down U-16 B Football Championship Final

Naomh Seosamh (Ballykinlar/Dundrum) 3-03  Drumgath 2-10
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Post by: southdown on September 22, 2007, 07:02:40 PM
Castlewellan 0-15 2-08 Longstone.

Top 4 seems highly unlikely, apparantly An Riocht were beating Burren by 6 the last I heard.
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Post by: Townie on September 22, 2007, 07:43:39 PM
feel for the stone in the county final on tonights performance they were pure shite against us tonight, they are very average
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Post by: bridgegael on September 23, 2007, 09:40:41 AM
bridge beat clonduff 2;15  to 10 points
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Post by: Lecale2 on September 23, 2007, 11:58:15 AM
How did An Riocht/Burren end up? Can the Kingdom make top 4?

Quote from: Bacon on September 21, 2007, 12:52:47 PM
Anybody else going over? Will the bar in the club house be open?
I'll be in Portaferry this afternoon Bacon. If the club house isn't open there will be some very disappointed passengers in my car. I reckon it will be open before the game and at half time. Looking forward to a good match.
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Post by: uselessfootballer on September 23, 2007, 04:18:23 PM
Div 3 Relagation Play-Off

St Paul's beat Mitchels 3-15 to 3-08

Naomh Pol Abu
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Post by: Square Ball on September 23, 2007, 04:23:07 PM
3 rd division promotion play off:

Bredagh and Tullylish drew 1:10 to 1:10
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Post by: DownFanatic on September 23, 2007, 05:24:26 PM
Down ACFL Division 3 Promotion Playoff

Dundrum 2-07  Saul 1-08
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Post by: southdown on September 23, 2007, 06:03:56 PM
Quote from: Townie on September 22, 2007, 07:43:39 PM
feel for the stone in the county final on tonights performance they were pure shite against us tonight, they are very average

I am sure you would still love to be in our shoes though.  But the Bridge wont be shaking in their boots after that display.
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Post by: Lecale2 on September 23, 2007, 06:26:47 PM
Ballycran beat Ballygalget to win the SHC for the first time in 12 years. Final Score Ballycran 1-12 0-09 Ballygalget.
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Post by: Square Ball on September 23, 2007, 07:44:37 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 23, 2007, 05:24:26 PM
Down ACFL Division 3 Promotion Playoff

Dundrum 2-07  Saul 1-08

DF

your mob seemed to we winning this comfortably at half time, we then went home and I was a bit surprised at the result. Did you see any of our match?
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Post by: Whitehair on September 23, 2007, 08:24:10 PM
Well done to a very young and very hungry Ballycran team on their victory today. Ballycrans fast and young forwards( 5 of which were 20 or under) had the beating of the galget defence which contained 3 seconds players, from the word go and never relinquished the lead.
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Post by: Aristotle Flynn on September 23, 2007, 08:39:27 PM
SHC Final
I think the final score was actually 1-13 to 0-09. Ballycran deserved their win. Better team on the day. It's the first time in many years that I've been to the hurling final and it was a good occasion (the last time was when it was played along with the football final in Newcastle). For all the talk before hand I though the referee did a very good job. The thing that surprised me most was the ability of both sets of players to hit the post from a long way out. Now that's accuracy! They must have done it at least 7 or 8 times during the game.
I hope Ballycran now look towards Ulster rather than celebrate their Down victory.
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Post by: Whitehair on September 23, 2007, 08:52:31 PM
That was the score alright 1.13 to 9. Ned had in sound game in my view, didnt notice him much which is normally a telling sign.
I wouldnt think they'l be puttin a huge deal of emphasis on ulster although if loughiel come out of antrim neither might they. Take a look around Renshaws tomorrow and u'l see most of the Cran squad.
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Post by: Bacon on September 24, 2007, 08:35:23 AM
Ballycran were well worth their win on the day. Just sorry I didn't back them at the 2/1 that was available.
The crans were on top throughout the game with the exception of a 10 minutes spell in the second half and led 0-9 to 0-4 at half time. Both teams struggled to cope with a difficult wind but it was Ballycran that could take scores from play. Ballygalget were very disappointing all over the field & relied on Eoin Clarkes free to keep them in the game. Big Magic was well marshalled throughout and when he did break free he shot wide. The goal was a shocker and came at a very bad time for Ballygalget, just when it looked like they might raise their game.
All in all a poor game and I can't see Dunloy or Loughgiel worrying about Ballycran in the Ulster semi. The ref had a good game to be fair to him.
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Post by: johnneycool on September 24, 2007, 09:06:12 AM
Quote from: Bacon on September 24, 2007, 08:35:23 AM
Ballycran were well worth their win on the day. Just sorry I didn't back them at the 2/1 that was available.
The crans were on top throughout the game with the exception of a 10 minutes spell in the second half and led 0-9 to 0-4 at half time. Both teams struggled to cope with a difficult wind but it was Ballycran that could take scores from play. Ballygalget were very disappointing all over the field & relied on Eoin Clarkes free to keep them in the game. Big Magic was well marshalled throughout and when he did break free he shot wide. The goal was a shocker and came at a very bad time for Ballygalget, just when it looked like they might raise their game.
All in all a poor game and I can't see Dunloy or Loughgiel worrying about Ballycran in the Ulster semi. The ref had a good game to be fair to him.

Fair dues to the Crans, they wanted it more and often in championship games that's the deciding factor. They have some fine young hurlers who if they can keep out of 'Johns' may develop but the curse of the drink has cost Ballycran a lot of good hurlers in years gone by. They also found out yesterday that they don't need Gazza or Mick to win games, even Simon Wilson isn't a loss to them. Yet again they are a smallish team and that will mitigate against them in the Ulster semi-final when the pitches get heavier and I'd be concerned too that they'll celebrate too much to give it a good run.

As for Ballygalget they found out yesterday the value of Barry Coulter. His leadership up the field was badly missed as it was against Portaferry, but we got away with it then, not yesterday. For all our players in their mid twenties there aren't too many leaders coming through and that was shown up when we did start to play it was aimless stuff with magic being the only target man. We need ball winners in the forwards to take a bit of the load off Magic. At one point Ballycran had two men on him but for the life of me I couldn't see where our free man was. We're not direct enough in the forwards, always looking to handpass rather than take on the score ourselves. It says it all that big Kevin Dynes troubled the Ballycran defence more than the other six forwards when he went up the field with his marker in the last 15 minutes.

Thank god our U-16's have some real decent hurlers coming through and they're not shrinking violets either, always a good thing in my book.
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Post by: goldenyears on September 24, 2007, 09:29:23 AM
any reports on football? have to say i am sick of the lack of football posting.....on the verge of not bothering with this site any longer.

harps struggled past downpatrick; dont think they deserved to win but contrived to stay in touch and only for rony murtagh would not even be close to the top four never mind in good shape to go up.....

saval got two early goals v ballymartin that killed the game completely - saval won by 10 at a canter, and makes harps capitulation in the championship look even worse.....

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Post by: 5 Sams on September 24, 2007, 10:10:55 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on September 24, 2007, 09:29:23 AM

harps struggled past downpatrick; dont think they deserved to win but contrived to stay in touch and only for rony murtagh would not even be close to the top four never mind in good shape to go up.....


Dont agree with you GY. Our stats man told me that Downpatrick only had 4 shots on goal in the second half and only two of those were scores...I think that says a lot about our defence.....while Rony may be a one show up front we had boys at the back doing the business when needed.


I have a feeling though that Downpatrick and Ballymartin had one eye on next week.
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Post by: DownFanatic on September 24, 2007, 10:51:52 AM
Square Ball, we were leading 2-05 to 0-05 at halftime. After the break we knocked over two further points to leave it 2-07 to 0-05. However, about 10 minutes in we got one of our wing backs sent off (two yellows) and this left us with 14 men for the Final 20 minutes.
Incidentally, we did not score after the sending off. Saul pressed us big time. They scored 1-03 but our lads showed some incredible hunger and desire to hold on to their lead.
That was a very good result for us but as we all know there is a long way to go yet. This Saturday's fixtures are Bredagh v Saul and Tullylish v Dundrum.
Didnt see your game v Tullylish. Although I heard Gormley was your main man again. 9 points once again? What was your verdict on it?

PS. Warrenpoint beat Glasdrumman 2-12 to 1-06 in the Division 2 Relegation Playoff while Liatoim beat Loughinisland by 5 in the Division 1 relegation match. This means that the Island will now play Bryansford next week and if they lose they go down. Bryansford - our hopes and prayers are with you all.
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Post by: behind the wire on September 24, 2007, 11:00:39 AM
tullylish v bredagh

gormley was very good again, scored at least 7 points and set up a few more with some very clever knock downs. had tullylish played someone in front of him it may have been a different result. from a neutral point of view it was a very entertaining game. never more than a kick of the ball in it, draw was probably a fair result.

does anyone know why bredagh were playing in bryansford jerseys for the first half? or why the ref went off at half time?
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Post by: Square Ball on September 24, 2007, 12:27:10 PM
The Bredagh game was nip and tuck the entire game with no more that a couple for points separating the teams. Wont pick out and individuals but we did take our scores well. looking forward to the Saul game, its like all the games and i have said to previously, everyone is capable eachother its that close. Tullylish had a free to win the game with the last kick which, from a Bredagh perspective anyway, thankfully didn't go over

what happens in the event of a three/four way tie? if there are two with the same points who tops the table?

the ref had to go off as he was accidental "Taken out" and wasn't able to start the second half, hope he is OK.

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Post by: goldenyears on September 24, 2007, 12:52:08 PM
an objective non biased view on the game there 5ive times ;D

do g/drumman play b/bridge now to decide who goes down, or do all teams play each other once?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 24, 2007, 02:28:36 PM
Down Fanatic you did derserve to win the match although if saul had of got a draw it would have been some reward for the way they played in the second half. Yes you did have a man sent off but for two occasions in the last 15mins you's had 12 men inside your own half and really did soak up some pressure which should lady luck have been shining on saul could have sent you home with nothing.
What was your opinion of the ref ?
Although i will say if saul forwards had of been on song and those last four attempts at goal where knocked over the bar we would all have been rejoycing towards the slaney with two points our play did not deserve. Lets hope this weekends results put everything back into the mixer going into the last matchday.
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Post by: downredblack on September 24, 2007, 02:28:57 PM
I heard Ross and DJ has called a group of about 50 or so together as a possible training squad , Do people think it will be more or less the same team as last year ? Or is there a chance of turning up a few defenders that haven't previously had a chance at it . I remember this time last year someone said that there was no "rough diamonds " to be found in Down . Looking back on last year's team and performances they were probably right . We live in hope though .
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Post by: goldenyears on September 24, 2007, 02:42:55 PM
m walsh, b grant dropped from panel. d campbell from ballyholland didnt get call back.

havent heard much else yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on September 24, 2007, 02:50:11 PM
They deff. dont rate Grant , Surprised at walsh , I thought he was going well with the Bridge after getting over injury .
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Post by: downredblack on September 24, 2007, 03:08:28 PM
Just seen the below on HS , Did anyone hear if there is any truth in it ?

County team
A brillant start has been made to the start of the county season, stone boys didn't show up to the meeting, bridge boys stormed out....well done ross it must be said.
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Post by: passedit on September 24, 2007, 04:19:04 PM
Down GAA Fixtures



Saturday 29 September



In Ballyholland

1pm RFC Final

Burren v Castlewellan

2.30pm PRFC Final

Burren v Clonduff



O'Neills International Sportswear 5pm

Div One

Mayobridge v An Riocht

In Liatroim: Bryansford v Loughinisland

Div Two

In Newry: Saval v Ballyholland

In Rostrevor: Clann Na Banna v Glasdrumman

Div Three

In Ballela: Dundrum v Tullylish

In Downpatrick: Saul v Bredagh

In Glenn: Mitchels v Drumgath



Sunday 30 September



12pm ACPRFL S19

An Riocht v Warrenpoint

Longstone v Rostrevor

Kilcoo v Mayobridge

Liatroim v Downpatrick (off)

Bryansford v Clonduff (off)



1.15pm in Portaferry

Down Democrat IHC Final

Ballygalget v Ballycran



In Newcastle

2.30pm JFC Final

Bosco v Drumaness

4pm Around A Pound IFC Final

Ballymartin v Downpatrick



Any Drumgath posters around to shed light on your intentions for this game? Rumour doing the rounds in Castlewellan yesterday was ye were threatening not to field? I'd be well pissed off myself if I was in your shoes but surely you'd be unbackable favourites to beat Mitchels anyway?
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Post by: behind the wire on September 24, 2007, 04:30:32 PM
passedit where did you get those fixtures from? didnt think relegation playoffs were being played on a saturday this year.
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Post by: passedit on September 24, 2007, 04:41:48 PM
Co Board press release.

Saturday could be a major issue for a few teams i'd say.
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Post by: dundrumite on September 24, 2007, 05:51:32 PM
where exactly is ballela? what sort of pitch is it?
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Post by: Square Ball on September 24, 2007, 06:08:16 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 24, 2007, 05:51:32 PM
where exactly is ballela? what sort of pitch is it?

its in between the back of beyound and the middle of nowhere!!

its not really that hard to get there, and its one of the best pitches I have seen, its a hurling pitch and its like a snooker table its that flat
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Post by: behind the wire on September 24, 2007, 08:30:16 PM
probably the best way to describe ballela is between banbridge and dromara. its a great pitch, just new. ask whitehair for directions, he'll be able to tell you the best way from dundrum.
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Post by: passedit on September 24, 2007, 08:32:32 PM
http://www.ballela.com/ (http://www.ballela.com/)

There are decent directions on their website.

I cut thistles on their old pitch a few times when they were stuck
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Post by: southdown on September 24, 2007, 09:47:17 PM
Martin Clarke is home home next friday and will be playing for An Riocht in the playoffs, its part of his contract with Collingwood that he should be allowed to play whenever he is home.  Should be interesting
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Post by: Guillem2 on September 24, 2007, 10:18:51 PM
I had to make a delivery to the new pitch at Ballela once a couple of years ago. Hardest place in the world to find! I found the Holy Grail, Lord Lucan & Sergar before I found the feckin pitch!!  >:(
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Post by: Townie on September 25, 2007, 09:17:29 PM
anyone know of any of the new recruits to this years county squad? Heard a few names floating about but im sure someone is taking the piss out of me! 
???
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Post by: wobbller on September 25, 2007, 11:08:31 PM
 Share with us your names so we can all get a laugh
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Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 26, 2007, 01:53:01 PM
Wobbs,
Simon Poland will get the ball rolling!
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Post by: naka on September 26, 2007, 02:45:45 PM
rooney from cruppen( was bosco) is on the panel, has been playing well , marked mc conville out of the game in the cruppen/ cross game
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Post by: the milkman on September 26, 2007, 05:59:12 PM
Any other names? wat age is poland?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 27, 2007, 09:32:25 AM
 Simon has been tried,tested and failed!
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Post by: goldenyears on September 27, 2007, 10:25:53 AM
simon is 32 and i dont think he failed. he was a very good attacking wing half back that played 97-2001 - he took the head staggers, and like others fell out with pete. paddy o'rourke never looked at him which i felt was weird considering he is 6'2 and has bulked up over the years on the weights....

granted i dont believe his club form has been anything to write home about....
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Post by: downredblack on September 27, 2007, 10:56:55 AM
Quote from: wobbller on September 27, 2007, 09:32:25 AM
Simon has been tried,tested and failed!

We have tried worse .

What about Colgan , was he asked along ?
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Post by: wobbller on September 27, 2007, 12:12:12 PM
 GY.What else would Ross and DJ go on other than Club form for a 32 yr old?
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Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 27, 2007, 12:26:59 PM
His club form wouldnt warrant a place on Bryansford seconds FFS!
When we needed him v Mayobridge another mystery injury appeared though he was first to train on the Wednesday after - always pulls out of big club games throughout his career.
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Post by: redandblackjack on September 27, 2007, 12:35:51 PM
Lads, to be fair to DJ and Ross there hasnt been too many that have set the county alight with their performances this season. The championship itself has been of a pretty poor standard with a few execptions.
This isnt the final panel it will be cut a fair few times before we hit championship time. Many of the more senior players have got numerous chances to prove their worth and havent delivered- is it not only fair that other players around the county get a crack at it too?  The likes of Poland may have been poor for his club this year, but many of our county players have been poor also!
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Post by: mourne gael on September 27, 2007, 12:43:57 PM
jame's colgan has been asked and is taking up the offer. what's all this talk about simon poland he was not at the meeting at the canal court the first nite the panel of 44 or so meet ?
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Post by: downredblack on September 27, 2007, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: mourne gael on September 27, 2007, 12:43:57 PM
jame's colgan has been asked and is taking up the offer. what's all this talk about simon poland he was not at the meeting at the canal court the first nite the panel of 44 or so meet ?

Tell us who was there ?
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Post by: mourne gael on September 27, 2007, 01:52:05 PM
all 44 lol
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Post by: wobbller on September 27, 2007, 02:41:20 PM
 Yes all 44 PLEASE
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 27, 2007, 02:49:11 PM
along with the clubs they play for!!
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Post by: mourne gael on September 27, 2007, 04:02:14 PM
would take all day... few new faces. c.magee and brendan rooney mayobrigde' anthony devlin'gary mc avoy' kilcoo. luke howard' joe ireland' bryansford' jame's colgan an'riocht darragh mc neel warrenpoint'' pluggey barry mayobrigde shaun parr rostrevor....
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Post by: wobbller on September 27, 2007, 04:44:47 PM
 Are you on the panel yourself?
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Post by: Glensman on September 27, 2007, 05:13:19 PM
Any word on whether Clarke is being lined up to play on Sunday or not.

I for one would head down to see it if he was.
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Post by: Lecale2 on September 27, 2007, 09:27:25 PM
Hope he is. The Kingdom need him.
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Post by: passedit on September 27, 2007, 11:57:32 PM
Notwithstanding the understandable silence of our Drumgath posters, I hear they're definitely not fielding on saturday, CCC meeting called instead. Expect Drumgath to go to Ulster council and win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on September 28, 2007, 09:12:56 AM
just wondering what is the issue surrounding drumgath? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 28, 2007, 10:02:29 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 28, 2007, 09:12:56 AM
just wondering what is the issue surrounding drumgath? 

Drumgath finished fourth from bottom in Div 3.

The rule book states that relegation from Div should be decided by a bottom three playoff. The County board are adamant that since the division expanded to 12 teams there should be a four team playoff and that the failure to amend the rules was an oversight.

Drumgath feel that the rule book takes precedence, I find it hard to see how the Ulster council will disagree with them. Bright have already been relegated by virtue of the 30% rule while St Pauls have beaten Mitchels in the first playoff, going by the rules as they're written that should be the end of it, I suspect it won't be though.




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 28, 2007, 11:08:35 AM
Quote from: wobbller on September 28, 2007, 10:57:27 AM
What's the issue re. Drumgath?

wobbller, read passedit's last post, explains it all!
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Post by: 6th sam on September 28, 2007, 11:24:30 AM
I'm not from Drumgath,and us and them have had our fair share of battles over the years,but on this occasion I think its scandalous that they have been dragged into playoffs.
The Drumgath team played out the last few fixtures safe in the knowledge that they were in no danger of dropping into the bottom 3 ,then the goalposts are shifted.
Apart altogether from the fact that this is unfair if its against the rule book,it is a kick in the teeth to a Drumgath team who provided 3 players to the county seniors this year.
Look at their results at the start of the season when they had those players available,compared to the disastrous impact on their own player strength and morale when the lads became unavailable.
This again highlights an unfair league system that needs changed.
In the meantime-if there are any Drumgath posters on this site,I genuinely hope your current situation is sorted out fairly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 28, 2007, 11:41:57 AM
6th Sam, i too think it is unfair on them as the rules clearly state it was the bottom 3, and with Bright not making the 30% rule, it left us and Mitchells to play of.
then there was the fact we were told that if we beat Mitchells last sunday, we would be safe in div 3, and the loser would play Drumgath, with the winners of that being safe and the losers relegated. then, on tuesday we were told that it was now a round robin situation and if Mitchells beat Drumgath this saturday, though that is now not happening, that we had to play Drumgath next weekend. never mind the goalposts being moved, they were taken down! it now leaves us in limbo not knowing what as happening, and this could drag on for months, leaving us with what could possibly be a 10,11 or 12 month season. by the time we could finish this season, it will be pre-season already.
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Post by: boscomo on September 28, 2007, 12:45:30 PM
hopefully the powers to be will sort this mess out but looking at it at a football point of veiw Drumgath must be kicking themselves that they got into this position. yes they do have 3 county players and when they lost them to county commitments results didnt go their way but surely to god they have another 18/19/20 odd players on their panal who can get results in the 3rd div.
Teams in my point of veiw who have players on a county panal should be busting their gut to keep their team afloat and away from relegation. When we played drumgath in the meadow with i think 3 games to play Jackie Lynch worked his socks of to drag his team through to win a game they needed to but alas he didnt have the players around him. Drumagth are too good a team to be hovering over a relegation decider or indeed an official decesion on where they play their football next season.I have had many a good battle with the Drumgath boys over the years as a player and i hope they never get into this situation again.a lot has been posted but its time the players done the talking.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 28, 2007, 12:48:48 PM
Mo,

there shouldn't be anything to sort out if the bye laws were abided by and we should be safe after beating Mitchells on sunday past, but sure, it is the county board we are talking about here!!

Good luck to your boys on Sunday by the way!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on September 28, 2007, 12:56:23 PM
If I was from Drumgath I would not be too bothered. The rules are written down and if the Ulster Council don't rule in Drumgath's favour the DRA will. The DRA effectively look at the scenario from a legal point of view and the issue is black and white. They will not accept the excuse that it was an oversight on by the county board.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 28, 2007, 01:00:03 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 28, 2007, 11:41:57 AM
6th Sam, i too think it is unfair on them as the rules clearly state it was the bottom 3, and with Bright not making the 30% rule, it left us and Mitchells to play of.
then there was the fact we were told that if we beat Mitchells last sunday, we would be safe in div 3, and the loser would play Drumgath, with the winners of that being safe and the losers relegated. then, on tuesday we were told that it was now a round robin situation and if Mitchells beat Drumgath this saturday, though that is now not happening, that we had to play Drumgath next weekend. never mind the goalposts being moved, they were taken down! it now leaves us in limbo not knowing what as happening, and this could drag on for months, leaving us with what could possibly be a 10,11 or 12 month season. by the time we could finish this season, it will be pre-season already.

The plot thickens!
Agree with you totally St.Paul's,this whole situation has now become very untidy.The implications of relegation to Division 4 are massive.You lads have made great strides at all levels,along with Bredagh and Carryduff-and GAA strength in North Down is essential to future Down success.The gloss has been taken off your excellent season(in which you were competitive in most of your games) by administrative difficulties outside your control.
This fixtures chaos in sept/oct/nov  has been a problem for years ,and it's time the county held a workshop to include representatives from all interested parties--club officers/managers/players.,county managers/players, and county board,to grasp the nettle on fixtures once And for all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 28, 2007, 01:09:13 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 28, 2007, 01:00:03 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 28, 2007, 11:41:57 AM
6th Sam, i too think it is unfair on them as the rules clearly state it was the bottom 3, and with Bright not making the 30% rule, it left us and Mitchells to play of.
then there was the fact we were told that if we beat Mitchells last sunday, we would be safe in div 3, and the loser would play Drumgath, with the winners of that being safe and the losers relegated. then, on tuesday we were told that it was now a round robin situation and if Mitchells beat Drumgath this saturday, though that is now not happening, that we had to play Drumgath next weekend. never mind the goalposts being moved, they were taken down! it now leaves us in limbo not knowing what as happening, and this could drag on for months, leaving us with what could possibly be a 10,11 or 12 month season. by the time we could finish this season, it will be pre-season already.

The plot thickens!
Agree with you totally St.Paul's,this whole situation has now become very untidy.The implications of relegation to Division 4 are massive.You lads have made great strides at all levels,along with Bredagh and Carryduff-and GAA strength in North Down is essential to future Down success.The gloss has been taken off your excellent season(in which you were competitive in most of your games) by administrative difficulties outside your control.
This fixtures chaos in sept/oct/nov  has been a problem for years ,and it's time the county held a workshop to include representatives from all interested parties--club officers/managers/players.,county managers/players, and county board,to grasp the nettle on fixtures once And for all.

yeah sam, our position in the league didn't really reflect our performances, a lot of them fair enough we did not win, but we certainly played better than our final points tally shows, we were one of the top scoring teams in the league for the first month or so, but faded in that department, and the lack of numbers in some games, (our away game in teconnaught being a prime example, were we had 15 players only, and two were playing injured, with one being sent off and another limping of during the game leaving us with 13 on the field), left us stuggling to get wins when we really needed them. we can only hope that this problem resolves itself, we stay in division 3, learn from this year, and come out stronger and more competitive next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on September 28, 2007, 04:43:59 PM
Any more new names on that county panel?

I see Alder from the Duff has been called called up, he's a good keeper, but I always thought John Gibney would have got a chance some time soon.

Good to see some new faces been drafted in, but I still cant see anything special about Joe Ireland, he would hardly stand out for Bryansford.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on September 28, 2007, 05:06:40 PM
think andy coleman deserves a shout on the county panal , my only concern is his soccer commitments, but has a pinpoint 60yd + kickout and a great shot stopper.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Orior on September 28, 2007, 09:31:24 PM
Shocking news today of a mixed marriage.

A Poyntzpass O'Hanlons man married a Mayobridge woman. Rumour had it that the Pass man had aspirations to play for the Bridge (stood a fair chance of getting on) but a serious leg injury at the start of the year put paid to that.

Good luck to the happy couple.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on September 29, 2007, 12:49:27 PM
SFC Final preview

Taken from http://longstone.down.gaa.ie

Mayobridge will be looking to win their fourth Down Senior Football Championship in a row in Newry on Sunday. However, Longstone will be keen to become the first team since Bryansford, who beat Mayobridge in the 2003 final, to dethrone the Sky Blues. Longstone make their first appearance in the final of this competition since 1986, and having made just two final appearances in the club's 62 year existence, are yet to win the big one.
   
On the day though, the Bridge will boast a strong squad, including Down stars such as Ronan Sexton, Michael Walsh and Brendan Grant, but they most famously have county, province and country star Benny Coulter amongst the ranks, and this for the neutrals who will don the stands, will make Mayobridge slight favourites. Longstone, however, will not go down without a fight and will come out with all guns blazing. They will look to the big names in the squad to attempt to rewrite the Stone's history books. Michael Higgins and Mark Doran will be marshalling the defence, Ambrose Rogers, if selected at midfield, will attempt to control the game from the middle of the park, while up front the Stone will look to Barry Doran, Mark Poland and Ryan Kelly for the majority of the team's scores.

It may be worth noting that when paired together for the league series, these teams played out two exhilarating, entertaining games of attacking football. In Longstone Park back in April, the game finished all square at 1-10 apiece, while in St Patrick's Park in June, Mayobridge edged it by a scoreline of 1-11 to 1-09.
   
In order to reach the final, both teams encountered tricky paths. Mayobridge beat off Attical, Rostrevor after a replay and Bryansford, in a game which the Bridge scored four goals, in order to reach the club's eighth final in nine years. Longstone had to see off the challenge of last year's IFC champions, division three side Drumgath, league high-flyers Kilcoo and Burren, who ironically defeated Longstone in their last final appearance all those years ago.
   
Another fact for the notebooks is that it was indeed Mayobridge who dumped Longstone out of last year's competition on a scoreline of 2-11 to 0-08, despite two very close league matches earlier in that season.
   
In the past few weeks, both teams received a psychological boost, with Mayobridge winning through to the ACFL Division One semi-finals, were they have set up a meeting with An Riocht, while Longstone recently won the Kilmacud Crokes All-Ireland 7s competition in Dublin.
   
A big crowd will be expected for this encounter, and on past clashes between the two, it is easy to see why. On paper, Mayobridge edge ahead slightly as favourites, but on the day the teams such be evenly matched, both play attacking, passing football, and both teams can perform on the big stage. So this match could go right to the wire.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 29, 2007, 06:29:28 PM
Dundrum 0-15   Tullylish 1-07
Saul        3-6     Bredagh 1-10

Dundrum promoted
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 29, 2007, 07:30:40 PM
Great win for Dundrum earlier, fully deserving of their victory! Their mobile forwards were better suited to the slippy conditions unlike Tullylish's. Conor Mc Shane had a great game scoring 5 points.

Glasdrumman beat Banbridge by 3!? Clann hit the post with a penalty in injury time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 29, 2007, 08:10:20 PM
Great day for Dundrum today. Definitely the better team. Conor McShane was unreal weighing in with 5 points. The other man of the match had to be our 37 year old veteran Martin Coughlan. He had balls of steel and a really passionate desire to win. Overall it was a panel effort but I have to admit we played really well. We worked hard all year and kept focused. Divsion 2 is the ultimate step up for us and im sure every player will relish it.

PS. Bryansford 0-03 Loughinisland 0-14 in Division 1 Relegation Playoff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 29, 2007, 08:23:03 PM
Today result Mayobridge 2.13 An-Riocht 0.7

Final league Table

Mayobridge   22   15   3   4   33   112
Kilcoo   22   15   2   5   32   98
Burren   22   10   4   8   24   6
An Riocht   22   10   4   8   24   -31
Longstone   22   10   3   9   23   12
Rostrevor   22   10   3   9   23   5
Clonduff   22   9   4   9   22   -14
Castlewel   22   11   0   11   22   6
Bryansford   22   9   3   10   21   -19
Loughinisld   22   8   4   10   20   -18
Liatriom   22   7   3   12   17   -27
Attical   22   1   1   20   3   -130

                    FOR              AGAINST                 Averager per game   
Mayobridge     38 243    357     19   188  245           16.22      11.13
Kilcoo             25 252    327     14   187   229           14.86      10.40
Burren            19 207    264     11   225   258           12         11.72
An Riocht       15 231    276     21   244   307           12.54      13.95
Longstone      13 230    269      8   233   257           12.22      11.68
Rostrevor       12 227    263     16   210   258           11.95      11.72
Clonduff         24 212    284     25   223   298           12.90      13.54
Castlewellan   18 226    280     24   202   274           12.72       12.45
Bryansford     21 202    265     25   209   284           12.04       12.90
Loughinisland 18 186    240     13   219   258           10.90        11.72
Liatriom         15 220    265     19   235   292           12.04        13.27
Attical            5  176    191     28   237   321            8.68         14.59
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 29, 2007, 08:38:22 PM
Last year championship first round game in Newcastle
Team and scorers

Mayobridge team.
Sean Featherstone, Gavin Barry, Brendan Grant, Michael Lively, Brendan Rooney, Ronan Sexton 1-0, Daragh Tighe, Eoghan Woods, Cathal Magee, Declan Rooney, Benny Coulter 0-1, Noel Sexton 0-2, John Quinn 1-2, Michael Walsh 0-4, Adrain Barry 0-1, Sub used, Robbie Coulter for Cathel Magee, Gavin Walsh 0-1 for Noel Sexton

Longstone team
Aidan Poland, Michael Higgins, Eamon Quinn, Hugh Magee, Conor Smyth, Barry Kelly, Cormac Poland 0-1, John Magee, Ambrose Rodgers 0-1, Adrain Trainor, Mark Poland, Barry Doran, Eamon Trimble, Ryan Kelly 0-6, Stevie Doran, Sub used Mark Doran for Barry Doran, Peter Trainor for Ambrose Rodgers/
Top 5 Scorers in Down Championship from 2002 to 2007
2002
PP McCartan, Liatriom 4-13;  Robbie Coutler, Mayobridge 1-21; Aidan Cole, Rostrevor, 0-16;  Paddy Bradley, Burren 1-10; Conor Daly, Rostrevor 0-12

2003
Robbie Coulter, Mayobridge 5-13; Chris Brannigan, Bryansford 0-20; Colm Kearney, Bryansford 1-14; MickeyLinden, Mayobridge 2-9; Brendan Coulter, Mayobridge 3-6

2004
Benny Coulter, Mayobridge 2-11; Robbie Coutler, 2-10; Aidan Fegan, Annaclone, 1-12; Donal Kane, Kilcoo 0-14; Barry Doran, Longstone 0-13

2005
Daniel Hughes, Saval 2-13; Chris Brannigan, Bryansford 0-18; Benny Coulter, Mayobridge 2-11; John Quinn, Mayobridge 1-13; Shane King, Bryansford 2-10

2006
John Fegan, Clonduff 2-11; John Quinn, Mayobridge 2-11; Mickey Walsh, Mayobridge 0-13; Benny Coulter, Mayobridge 2-6; James McGovern, Burren 0-10;

2007 ????
Any thoughts on who will finish on top five scorers for this year?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 30, 2007, 10:13:21 AM
Any prices today boscomo?? Forgot to ring Hughes there during the week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on September 30, 2007, 11:03:42 AM
niall ring larry mcalinden on 07872327618 he might be able to get you a price just tell him mo rooney was talking to you

i know drumaness are favourites

mo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 30, 2007, 12:51:44 PM
Congrats to Dundrum on their promotion to div 2, leaves the rest fighting for the remaining place, Bredagh and Tullylish on 1 point and Saul on 2. the remaining fixtures are Bredagh v Dundrum and Saul v Tullylish. IF there is a tie for second place what is the deceiding factor, or is it a playoff between the two teams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on September 30, 2007, 01:13:08 PM
Sense would say that there would have to be a playoff, but sense is something lacking in our County Board. 

I heard recently that quite a number of clubs have been fined for having more than 24 players on their panel for championship games.  Are the County Board so broke they have to fine clubs for this?  A really stupid rule at any level and even county teams are allowed to strip more than 24 players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 30, 2007, 01:36:23 PM
Am stuck in work here mo cant get near a phone but take your fellas number off in case someone who shouldnt get it takes it down!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 30, 2007, 01:57:01 PM
has anyone heard anything with regards to Drungath's appeal to the CCC? the meeting was yesterday evening and we still haven't heard anything with regards to what was decided!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on September 30, 2007, 02:58:11 PM
Indeed Cloc Mor, I think we have been fined twice now this year, its a joke, its quite a low and miserable thing to do the County's own clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 30, 2007, 03:52:45 PM
any word on the JFC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on September 30, 2007, 03:57:29 PM
RESULT: JFC

Bosco 2-11 Drumaness 0-02 (HT Bosco 1-03, Drumaness 0-02)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 30, 2007, 04:18:12 PM
Is that right fiodor???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on September 30, 2007, 04:19:55 PM
Yep, just heard from Gerry Quinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 30, 2007, 04:22:22 PM
Cheers, lucky I didn.t get a price then because my cousins all play for St Micks and they thought Drumaness were cert's!

Was talking to fella from the Bosco today earlier think they got 9/4 before the championship so nice earner for them!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 30, 2007, 04:39:24 PM
was there a mass brawl at the end?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 30, 2007, 04:44:00 PM
So that point made all the difference then!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on September 30, 2007, 04:54:01 PM
Intermediate final - half-time

Ballymartin 0-2 Downpatrick 0-5


RESULT

Ballymartin 0-09 Downpatrick 0-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 30, 2007, 06:24:29 PM
fair play to Bosco, wonder if Boscomo will be capable of typing later on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 30, 2007, 11:15:04 PM
I was told the IHC score was

Ballycran 5.15 Ballygalget 1.7

The competition turned into a bit of a joke after the senior championship was played. James Coyle scored about 10 points when crans beat shamrocks earlier in the comp and then he played senior champ, while 4-5 of ballygalgets best 2nds played in the senior final ruling them out of todays game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on October 01, 2007, 07:57:17 AM
Ballycran beat Ballygalget 5-16 to 1-07 in a one-sided IHC final in Portaferry yesterday. Both teams were missing the big players that had got them to the final but Ballcran clearly didn't miss theirs as much. Ballygalget were very poor throughout and the game was effectively over by half time when Ballycran went in leading by 7. 
Some of the Galgets tactics were questionable with off the ball striking and they were lucky not to have had more than one sent off. The teams finished 14 aside after a 30 man brawl 10 minutes into the second half. That was about the most exciting part of the game. Still Ballycran will be delighted to have won their first IHC in 10 years, following on from the SHC win last week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on October 01, 2007, 09:29:48 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 30, 2007, 06:24:29 PM
fair play to Bosco, wonder if Boscomo will be capable of typing later on?

square i could type all day still drunk have to go now and look for the cup, lads thanks for the messages, we played the game we had to and had planned to play, wait til i get my hand s on down fanatc ya tube predicting a drumaness win , only joking kid , good write up in the programme mate, we had a very nervous 1st 15/20 minutes thankfuly drumaness didnt take advantage when we settled our game flowed and we took our chances, pity there was a silly melle near the end we have learned lessons from it i hope drumaness can too. ourniall picking up £2555 today for the whole team should have listened to me pal. guys going now to get drunk again talk mid week.

bosco abu

regards  mo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 01, 2007, 09:37:02 AM
Completely at a loss to explain Bryansford's inept performance on Saturday - Loughinisland worthy winners and as Dan Gordan said when they got a free with 5 minutes to go "lets put this over lads and ram it down their throats, as we wont get the chance to next year" - sums up Bryansford's hour. Three points - 2 x 14 yard frees and a point from Aiden Sheilds (centre half back) was our return - certainly not division one standard at all.
Our team and management obviously have a problem and it looks deep and we now play Liatroim in a massive game. We are holding up the bar in the last chance saloon!

Can anybody verify the play off rules - I was told yesterday it goes on score difference if there is a tie, I know last year after the three teams had a win each they replayed with Annaclone going down but was this changed? Hopefully not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 01, 2007, 09:54:28 AM
Anyone with an IN acount care to post up Brendan Crossan's (Or was it DCB's) article about the Drumgath situation in today's irish news. At least one serious factual inaccuracy (Or downright lie depending on your point of view) in it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 01, 2007, 10:03:01 AM
Congratulations Mo on a superb achievement. Im sorry I predicted Drumaness. I only selected them to give yous boys a bit more added motivation.  ;)  Best of luck in Ulster. To be honest yous have a great chance of going far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 01, 2007, 10:08:13 AM
Well done DF,on your promotion.
You are a well drilled outfit ,with a number of quality players-and plenty of character-all attributes which will stand to you in the higher league.
Just to throw a bit of controversy in-Given your success at underage with Ballykinlar,do you think an overall amalgamation of the 2 clubs would make you well placed to become even more successful?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 01, 2007, 10:18:02 AM
McKenna turns it in favour of Downpatrick 
Down IFC final D'patrick 0-12 B'martin 0-9 
From Matt Fitzpatrick at Newcastle 

FOUR points in the final 20 minutes by substitute Peter McKenna steered Downpatrick to their second Around-A-Pound Down IFC title in three years in an exciting match at St Patrick's Park Newcastle yesterday.

Downpatrick dominated the first half against the breeze with Gregory Deegan and Peter Telford on top at midfield and they were well worth their four points advantage at half time.

However, an injury to Peter Telford three minutes from the interval forced him to retire from play. Ballymartin came out in the second half and inside five minutes they were level with four pointed frees by Cathal McDowell and although they took a one point lead midway through the half they were felled by McKenna's late scores.

Downpatrick joint manager Paul Evans was a relieved man at the finish.

"We knew Ballymartin, with a young and fit side, would be hard to overcome. Peter Telford was a big loss for us at midfield and it took a while in the second half for us to get on top there again," he said.

Downpatrick: G Brown; S Bell, D Turley, D McAuley; D Carville, P Oakes, P Holland; P Telford (0-1), Gregory Deegan (0-1); M McGarrity (0-1), K Oakes

(0-1), J Starkey; Gerard Deegan (0-1), K Gracey (0-2), M Robinson (0-1). Subs: P McKenna (0-4) for

P Telford; T McShane for M McGarrity; J Connolly for

P Oakes; C Boyd for J Starkey

Ballymartin: G Joyce (0-1); S Brannagan, Paul Fitzpatrick, E McAvoy; L Byrne, S McManus,

M Cunningham; Peter Fitzpatrick (0-1), P Green;

C McDowell (0-5, all frees), D Magennis, D O'Hanlon; M Higgins (0-2), J Fitzpatrick, C Rogers. Subs:

S Cunningham for E McAvoy; Patrick Cunningham for D Magennis; Paul Cunningham for P Green

Referee: P Brannigan (Bryansford)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 01, 2007, 10:18:54 AM
Five sent off as Bosco cruise 
Down JFC final Bosco 2-11 Drumaness 0-2 
By Staff Reporter 

ST John Bosco GAC Newry strolled to an easy and emphatic victory over Drumaness in this one sided Down JFC final in Newcastle yesterday.

The only real piece of excitement came ten minutes from time when in a three minutes spell of incidents five players were red carded with Drumaness having three sent off and Bosco two.

In a timid opening start Drumaness led by 0-2 to no score after five minutes. But they failed to score again in the almost 60 minutes duration of the game.

Bosco had their first point after ten minutes from Kyle Brennan but it was their goal from a penalty after 20 minutes by Neil Tumelty that set them up for victory and knocked the football heart out of Drumaness.

Bosco: A Coleman; G Moan, R Kimberley, R Mulvaney; C Murtagh, S Fox, R Lynch; C Duggan,

N Conlon; T McDonald, K Brennan (0-3), D Carville;

N Mulvaney (1-3), F Downey, N Tumelty (1-3). Subs: M Duggan (0-1) for F Downey; N Mullen (0-1) for

T McDonald; C Keenan for R Kimberley; K McCrink for D Carville.

Drumaness: G O'Hare; T Ferris, N McAlinden, G Rice; D McAleenan, D Kennedy (0-1), G Toman; G Taylor,

C Walsh; N McAleenan, P Bell (0-1), P Rice;

D Murdock, K Rogan, M Savage. Subs: S Rice for

G Toman; C Gilgunn for D Murdock; N Gelston for

N McAleenanReferee: N Cousins (An Riocht)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 01, 2007, 10:19:45 AM
Drumgrath one step closer to relegation as points docked 
Gaelic Games 
By Brendan Crossan 

DRUMGATH moved a step closer to relegation after they failed to field against Mitchels in a Division Three relegation play-off at the weekend.

Their opponents were awarded the points by Down's CCC, but it seems certain Drumgath will appeal the decision.

It is likely Drumgath will argue that they should not have been involved in the relegation play-offs in the first place after finishing fourth from bottom.

Up until two years ago play-off games involved the top three and bottom three teams in the respective divisions, but Down officials decided to change this ruling from three teams to four teams in November 2005.

However, the by-law in the rulebook was never updated and therefore it is likely Drumgath will argue their case on these grounds.

Last year, though, Drumgath took full

advantage of the play-off change when they finished in fourth place in Division Four and won a place in Division Three the following season.

Drumgath's game with Mitchels was fixed for Saturday afternoon at Glenn, but club officials intimated that they would not be turning up to play the game.

Although the Drumgath club declined to comment on their no-show last night, it is expected they will appeal the decision.

Bottom-placed Bright have already been

relegated, having failed to accrue the required 30 per cent of league points that were won by table-toppers Tullylish.

Therefore, the relegation dogfight became a

three-way tussle between Drumgath, St Paul's and Mitchels.

The three teams were expected to face one another to decide the second relegation candidate.

Earlier, St Paul's took a step towards safety from relegation by beating Mitchels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 01, 2007, 10:22:47 AM
QuoteLast year, though, Drumgath took full

advantage of the play-off change when they finished in fourth place in Division Four and won a place in Division Three the following season.

This of course is bollox.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 01, 2007, 10:32:33 AM
ok, so where does that leave us. i would assume that Drumgath would again not field against us!!

edit: since posting this message i have recieved the following info in an email:

Saturday 6 October
O'Neills International Sportswear
2pm Div One
Castlewellan: Bryansford v Liatroim
4pm Div Two
Mayobridge: Clann Na Banna v Warrenpoint Saval v Downpatrick (off) Ballyholland v Ballymartin (off) 4pm Div Three
Kilcoo: Tullylish v Saul
Downpatrick: Dundrum v Bredagh
St. Pauls v Drumgath (off)
PRFC Replay
Burren v Clonduff (off)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 01, 2007, 10:45:02 AM
The Bridge beat the Kingdom 2-13 to 0-7.  Martin Clarke was there but wasn't togged out.  I'd have liked to have seen him play even though he would have done a lot of damge against us. 

The county final is live on TG4 although according to TG4 the Bridge are playing Clonduff in the final!   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourne gael on October 01, 2007, 12:41:21 PM
mayobridge looked in great form sat evening vs an'riocht looks like they'll be hard 2 stop come the weekend... you must be a happy camper aidan..?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 01, 2007, 12:56:39 PM
Yeah prepatations are going well, but you never know what could happen in the final.  I've heard some supporters talking about winning handy etc but thankfully the players are treating the stone with a bit more respect.  The stone seem to be pulling out all the stops for the final if all the talk going around is correct.  McGeeney is in training them and training has been held in Attical since the early rounds of the championship to get used with a bigger field.  Then theres the mad talk of holidays being promised to the players if they win. 

Mourne Gael will Martin Clarke be allowed to play in the play offs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourne gael on October 01, 2007, 01:09:57 PM
heard that talk about mcgeeney aswell' stone really going for it' but don't think they have the defence to live with your forwards' should be a good game... don't no the craic with marty yet weather he's playing or not' he was training with us yesterday mourning' he's got some size stripped out' he had an oval ball with him 'and a few of us had a kick around with him' much to the dislike of a certin mr mc grath :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 01, 2007, 01:28:38 PM
Pete the tradionalist would probably let something like that annoy him.  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourne gael on October 01, 2007, 01:45:24 PM
lol..... your new pitch is fair taking shape nice job will fair look the part when it's complete fair play to yah's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 01, 2007, 04:12:16 PM

Can anybody verify the play off rules - I was told yesterday it goes on score difference if there is a tie, I know last year after the three teams had a win each they replayed with Annaclone going down but was this changed? Hopefully not.

I think it's still the same spirit. At least we have not heard otherwise and anticapate further games. Although with the present Drumgath fiasco in mind it is probably better to see these things wrtten down in black and white.

With regards your performance I would have to agree that we were surprised at Bryansfords performance. However, not as surprised as you would expect and I don't think there is necessarily any thing seriously wrong at the Ford. I think these play offs can favour those teams who know they are going to be in them at an early stage. I think Bryansford had an eye on the Longstone - Castlewellan match and hoping they would avoid the play offs. Consequently, they were caught short psycolgically and were not prepared in their heads for the challenge. I would expect that mindset to now change and their next match will be a very different story. It is the same every year. The team pulled last into the play offs can be very vulnerable mentally. The challenge is to accept your up to your neck in and roll the sleeves up and get on with it. McComskey has Laitroim fired up for these play offs but they will be pissed that they have to play again and I expect a very tight match with the Ford. All to play for. Boy, do these play offs suck.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 01, 2007, 04:36:47 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 01, 2007, 04:12:16 PM

Can anybody verify the play off rules - I was told yesterday it goes on score difference if there is a tie, I know last year after the three teams had a win each they replayed with Annaclone going down but was this changed? Hopefully not.

I think it's still the same spirit. At least we have not heard otherwise and anticapate further games. Although with the present Drumgath fiasco in mind it is probably better to see these things wrtten down in black and white.

With regards your performance I would have to agree that we were surprised at Bryansfords performance. However, not as surprised as you would expect and I don't think there is necessarily any thing seriously wrong at the Ford. I think these play offs can favour those teams who know they are going to be in them at an early stage. I think Bryansford had an eye on the Longstone - Castlewellan match and hoping they would avoid the play offs. Consequently, they were caught short psycolgically and were not prepared in their heads for the challenge. I would expect that mindset to now change and their next match will be a very different story. It is the same every year. The team pulled last into the play offs can be very vulnerable mentally. The challenge is to accept your up to your neck in and roll the sleeves up and get on with it. McComskey has Laitroim fired up for these play offs but they will be pissed that they have to play again and I expect a very tight match with the Ford. All to play for. Boy, do these play offs suck.

I dont buy that for one minute - we were bloody awful - Joe Ireland, Conor Gribben and Luke Howard + Down panel = joke!!!!!!

On the County front - they are taking over Bryansford Sports Hall and fitting it out as a gym for the new Panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 01, 2007, 04:44:51 PM
Spirit - Do you mean the sports hall in your new club house?  If not I didn't know the Ford had a sports hall.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 01, 2007, 05:34:51 PM
AMallon, where did you hear that McGeeney is training us??  I can tell you that is 100% lies!  Unless you are mistaking him for Chris Burden of course! And one session in Attical would be a bit closer to the mark.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: up down on October 01, 2007, 11:17:54 PM
i agree with south down for once in that young gibney should get chance. also heard rumors that ciaran rogers from the 'stone was asked to join the county panel, a nippy defender with a good work ethic but can be a bit yella at times.
from the squad that has been announced its lookin like another depressing year from down, the players arent there not the managements fault.
bryansford are the worst team in division 1 apart from attical their performance the other day was terrible. castlewellan should just give up aswell, bunch of posers!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 02, 2007, 08:28:54 AM
Quote from: amallon on October 01, 2007, 04:44:51 PM
Spirit - Do you mean the sports hall in your new club house?  If not I didn't know the Ford had a sports hall.

Yeah, in St Patrick's park - the large building next to the stand.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 02, 2007, 09:13:25 AM
Southdown - Heard it in the pub at the weekend.  I take everything I hear in the pub with a pinch of salt, especially the pub I drink in!  I notice you didn't shoot down the holidays rumour. 

The Down Masters beat Tyrone last night 2-12 to 0-9 in Omagh. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on October 02, 2007, 09:32:54 AM
What time is the throw in on Sunday ?

amallon - Where you  at the masters game ? How did Micky get on ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 02, 2007, 09:41:15 AM
Think its 3:45 on Sunday.

I wasn't at the Masters just got a text about it this morning. The text said that Mickey and Robbie scored 2-6 between them so I'm not sure what the breakdown was.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 02, 2007, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: up down on October 01, 2007, 11:17:54 PM
i agree with south down for once in that young gibney should get chance. also heard rumors that ciaran rogers from the 'stone was asked to join the county panel, a nippy defender with a good work ethic but can be a bit yella at times.
from the squad that has been announced its lookin like another depressing year from down, the players arent there not the managements fault.
bryansford are the worst team in division 1 apart from attical their performance the other day was terrible. castlewellan should just give up aswell, bunch of posers!

Who to fu~k are you and where did you come in from?

Did you think that any particular squad was going to change things? We all know the problems are out there.

Just because Bryansford had a bad day it doesnt make them the worst team - they had 21 points usually enough to see you safe but with the league being so tight this year it went to the wire with Castlewellan getting a great win against the County Finalists Longstone to finish with 22 points - if Bryansford are as bad as a p***k like you is stating then just give mayobridge the cup today as Longstone wont be a threat at all especially with a 'yella corner back' in their team.
I know we had a bad day on Saturday and stated it here but we arent gone yet - Saturday is the biggest test for Bryansford in a long time and I will be confident of a result.
As for Castlewellan being posers perhaps Townie could reply to that one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 02, 2007, 02:41:10 PM
Again ,we have the unpredictable fixture chaos associated with our current club structure--Incidentally ,you can't blame the activities committee for this-it's just the system that's crazy.
A few examples:
Bryansford-defeat in their last league match dragged them into the bottom 4,despite being within touching distance of the top 4.
RGU pipped Annaclone to a place in the top 4 on the back of a nothing game against an already relegated Carryduff.
Mayobridge and RGU having to prepare for the Ulster club series,and also play league playoffs.
St.Paul's secured a playoff after Teconnaught didn't field in their last game.
Drumgath-effectively penalised for providing county players.
Drumaness-Div 4 dominance,and short 4 month season proved poor preparation for JFC.
Season fragmented for all,and very short for some teams.
Confusion surrounding play-off rules-score difference etc.
County players regularly playing do-or die games in Nov /Dec.
Fixture dates/times totally unpredictable from September onwards-making it impossible for players to plan work etc.
Championship almost relegated to being of secondary importance to the leagues,as relegation/promotion means so much to clubs.
Poor revenue from club championships.
The list is endless--who does this current system suit?

Every player(from a number of clubs) I have asked about this ,despise the current system.

IT HAS TO CHANGE-I am convinced that our club system contributes to our lack of success at senior level.
There are solutions out there,but I feel  clubs need to agree that this is a serious issue.Regrettably however a few clubs seem to veto change every year.

Do any of our regular contributors have any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 02, 2007, 02:50:12 PM
personally 6th Sam, regardless of our current situation as a club, i would prefer to see in every league, the top team wins the league and is promoted automatically, with the next 3 teams in a promotion play-off, with it being the next 2 teams in division 4, although this is based on the current league format and will all depend if they are changed in the future.
no relegation playoffs, bottom 2 teams go down automatically, meaning that teams have to play to their capability all season to stay up and cannot rescue it in 1-2 games at the end of the season.  **looks around whistling**
obviously the current system is benefiting us at the minute, but it just drags a season out longer for a team that make the 30% rule but still have no chance to stay up. and as the current system doesn't seem to be working, god only knows when our season will come to an end thanks to the Drumgath saga!

edit: as a club who would have a vested interest in the Drumgath saga, you would assume that the county board could at least let us know the outcome of the CCC meeting held on saturday to try and sort out the problem, but no, not a dickiebird about it!! stupid county board!!! Rant Over!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on October 02, 2007, 02:58:03 PM
to be honest it seves drumgath rite for being so aragant!!!! they sould have fielded, just bad luck for them and if relegated or whatever il be glad in a way as its gna giv us a good chance of promotion nxt season and il not hav to listen to that oul bag patsie mcpolin!!! he needs shot
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cavanmaniac on October 02, 2007, 03:04:15 PM
Who's in the Down SFC final on TG4 on Sunday? Mayobridge I'll guess, but versus who?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 02, 2007, 03:07:42 PM
Quote from: general on October 02, 2007, 02:58:03 PM
to be honest it seves drumgath rite for being so aragant!!!! they sould have fielded, just bad luck for them and if relegated or whatever il be glad in a way as its gna giv us a good chance of promotion nxt season and il not hav to listen to that oul bag patsie mcpolin!!! he needs shot

general, not sure where you got the idea Drumgath didn't field, the problem is they finished fourth from bottom, and according to the bye-laws, passed by Croke Park in March, state it is the bottom 3 in Div 3 that go into the play-offs, but the CCC in their wise judgement said it was the bottom 4. this is the point Drumgath are arguing! They suffered as a result of having 3 county players on their squad, but thought they were safe in 9th place, and as it turns out, that wasn't to be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on October 02, 2007, 03:08:12 PM
longstone  


brilliant odds on the stone, this bcuz the bridge r very unlikely to get beat...however at the odds the stone r on i wudnt hesitate to put a few quid on dem!!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on October 02, 2007, 03:10:15 PM
 :'( :'( hard luck for drumgath wa... and whats happenin to yourselves now then??? dragged into this for another month?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 02, 2007, 03:56:20 PM
 General if you want to use that text-talk that people use on the Hoganstand why don't you move on over you'll not be missed going by your first ten posts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 02, 2007, 03:58:45 PM
Quote from: general on October 02, 2007, 03:10:15 PM
:'( :'( hard luck for drumgath wa... and whats happenin to yourselves now then??? dragged into this for another month?????

that's about right general, have to wait and see what the outcome of the appeal to the CCC/Ulster Council and possibly even the DRA should it go that far before we know where we stand with regards to the relegation situation!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourne gael on October 02, 2007, 04:09:55 PM
what way is the promotion in  div2 going wobbler? and is the harps likely to go up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 02, 2007, 04:54:20 PM
Quote from: stpauls on October 02, 2007, 03:58:45 PM
Quote from: general on October 02, 2007, 03:10:15 PM
:'( :'( hard luck for drumgath wa... and whats happenin to yourselves now then??? dragged into this for another month?????

that's about right general, have to wait and see what the outcome of the appeal to the CCC/Ulster Council and possibly even the DRA should it go that far before we know where we stand with regards to the relegation situation!!!

I agree ,this is totally unfair on st.paul's-who should be celebrating div 3 survival and looking forward to next year by this stage.

I also take your point ,st. paul's re automatic promotion.

I think there should be 3 leagues,16 team div 1,16 team div2,rest in div 3--with bottom teams -ballykinlar,and aughlisnafin having to apply to join the league and either establish that they want to be a sustainable club or amalgamate with their neighbours.

That would leave 15 league games (1 round) in divs 1 and 2.Most of which would be played without county players if necessary.
This would reflect any clubs overall consistency over the season,with and without county men.1st place winners/promoted and last place relegated.Next 2 places ,1 straight playoff for promotion/relegation.

The championship should be extended to round robin 2 groups of 8,1 round of 7 matches for seeding for championship proper,B championship for 1st round losers.B championship 1/4 final losers would playoff,with the 2 losers regraded as intermediate championship the following year-replaced by the 2 intermediate finalists.
County players would be available for all these games--and this series of games would reflect a club's overall ability with their county men.
County men would be available for these 11 fixtures + any league games that don't impact on their county matches.

2 seperate systems akin to heineken cup/magniers league in rugby.

This would not disadvantage clubs with county players,and would take the pressure of county players to play.
It would increase revenue for county ,and for clubs.
Fixtures would be totally predictable for the whole season and players/supporters can organise accordingly.

I'm more convinced than ever that a change to the leagues under these lines would revitalise club and county football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 02, 2007, 05:01:40 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 02, 2007, 04:54:20 PM

I think there should be 3 leagues,16 team div 1,16 team div2,rest in div 3--with bottom teams -ballykinlar,and aughlisnafin having to apply to join the league and either establish that they want to be a sustainable club or amalgamate with their neighbours.

That would leave 15 league games (1 round) in divs 1 and 2.Most of which would be played without county players if necessary.
This would reflect any clubs overall consistency over the season,with and without county men.1st place winners/promoted and last place relegated.Next 2 places ,1 straight playoff for promotion/relegation.


6th Sam, this league format was thrown out in a vote at the start of the year, and i am not sure how it might benefit, but we won't know until it is tried. and if the same state of play is maintained in the leagues, then the county standard will not improve (although as an armagh man i am not too worried about that  :P)

with regards to the championship, i am not sure if an 8 team round robin would work, but the groups of 4 seemed to have work in the Derry championship, and stood to some teams, eg Glenullin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on October 02, 2007, 06:20:19 PM
General......if you had followed what has happened to Drumgath, you would have realised by now that this situation is not of their making, but is a result of the county board trying to "move the goalposts"...Drumgath played out the final league games of their season content in the knowledge that they were safe from relegation only for the county board deciding to change the playoff structure after the league was finished...........so get real.......and dont worry about Patsy....his bark is worse than his bite !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on October 02, 2007, 10:44:10 PM
Just a quick point regarding the Drumgath situation, if the teams in the top half of division 3 knew that there would be four teams in the promotion play-offs (and we heard plenty about it all season), would it not have been obvious to assume the bottom four teams would be involved in relegation play-offs, allowing for the 30% rule.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 03, 2007, 07:58:02 AM
cloneman, the by-laws, that were ratified by Croke Park in March, and then published in May, state that it is the bottom 3 in Division 3 that go into the playoffs, and this is what Drumgath were going by. i would assume your lot would do the same!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 03, 2007, 10:37:46 AM
Quote from: mourne gael on October 02, 2007, 04:09:55 PM
what way is the promotion in  div2 going wobbler? and is the harps likely to go up?


The Wobbler is away on his jolles at the moment so I doubt if he'll reply but the situation is that Harps and Saval are on 2 points each after beating Downpatrick and Ballymartin respectively in the first game.

Next up will be us V Ballymartin and Saval V RGU on Sunday week. All four teams are very evenly matched and it will be a very tough one to call. If our county boys can stay injury free then we'll give it a good rattle.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 03, 2007, 11:51:17 AM
Good luck to Mickey. Helluva nice fella and on his day one of the best in the country, if not THE best. In a different era he would have picked up a bucket load of All Star awards.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 03, 2007, 12:29:07 PM
Any word on way the final has been changed to 4?  Can we keep it as our secret, don't let the stone know!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 03, 2007, 04:29:00 PM
What time is the minor game?  I heard on Sunday they are doing an opening ceremony for the new stand, thats probably got something to do with it being at 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 03, 2007, 06:47:46 PM
Quote from: southdown on October 03, 2007, 04:29:00 PM
What time is the minor game?  I heard on Sunday they are doing an opening ceremony for the new stand, thats probably got something to do with it being at 4.
For God's sake they knew they were having an opening ceremony 6 months ago! It wasn't just decided yesterday. Is there any reason why it has been changed or is some fecker just feckin about for the sake of it.
Having our county football final shown live on National TV was a great opportunity for the county Board and all of us to show the rest of the country what the GAA means to Down people. That opportunity has been lost and I for one would like to know why.
Showing the match deferred is better than nothing but is nowhere near as good a live broadcast.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on October 03, 2007, 08:23:00 PM
Who gives a fcuk! bet it will be a load of shite anyway! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 04, 2007, 02:03:51 PM
Well what about this football final on Sunday? I'll not be at it due to another match I have to attend but I expect the Bridge to win handy enough. Probably a 5 point win at the end in a ppor game.
Good luck to Liatoim hurlers in the Ulster Championship v Eoghan Rua from Derry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on October 04, 2007, 02:12:41 PM
I'm hoping for a great game , and am going for the underdogs with a big performance from Ambrose .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on October 04, 2007, 02:31:34 PM
Down 'Masters' qualify for All-Ireland final against Mayo
04 October 2007


Down have qualified for the All-Ireland 'Masters' over-'forties football final with a convincing 2-12 to 1-9 win over Tyrone at Healy Park. Omagh on Monday evening last, October.

Goals from former Mourne county star Mickey Linden and Robbie Coulter guided the Down veterans safely through to a meeting with Mayo which will be held next Saturday, October 6th in Crowe Park, Lacken, Co. Cavan.
The opening half of this game on Monday evening was close and interesting with the Down side holding the advantage at the break and leading by 2-3 to 0-6, their second goal coming just before the break from Robbie Coulter.


Looks like Ross and Possibly DJ (is he playing with the masters? ) wont make the county final . ::)




All-Ireland 'Masters' Finals this Saturday at Co. Cavan venue
04 October 2007


The Masters Football Finals will take place at Crowe Park, Lacken, Co. Cavan this Saturday, 6th of October. The itinerary for the day is as follows – 1 p.m. Shield Final: Antrim v Roscommon; 2.30 p.m. Masters Trophy Final: Longford v Derry; 4 p.m. Masters Final: Down v Mayo.

Mayo are the current All-Ireland 'Masters champions and will be hoping to take back-to-back titles on this occasion. They are led by former county midfielder, Pat Fallon and have a very strong side on duty in this final.

Their opponents, Down have a number of All-Ireland medal winners in their side including Brendan McKernan, Ross Carr, Gary Mason and Mickey Linden, and in their most recent outing they defeated a strong Tyrone side in Healy Park, Omagh when Robbie Coulter was their top marksmen.
The Mourne side know they have a tough task ahead of them to overcome the reigning champions, but like all Down sides down the years in championship football they will relish the challenge.
Longford may not be reaching the heights of 2005 when they took All-Ireland 'Masters' honours, but they still remain one of the hardest teams to beat in this grade of football. Their Masters Trophy Final game with Derry also on Saturday at the Lacken venue should be interesting to say the least. The Oak Leaf county side will include All-Ireland medal winners in the Downey brothers, Tony Scullion and Enda Gormley, and according to reports the Derry side have improved with every outing this season. With a trophy at stake we can expect a big effort from both sides.
Antrim and Roscommon open the proceedings in the Masters Shield Final and this game has the early start of 1 p.m.
Overall, the fare at the Crowe Park, Lacken venue this Saturday, 6th of October should produce a feast of good open football and will afford GAA enthusiasts the opportunity of seeing once again many of the 'greats' of the game in recent years in action once again on the competitive stage.



Down had the better of the exchanges in the third quarter and added to their half-time total with points from Brendan McKernan and Robbie Coulter. Tyrone staged a late comeback with Paddy McGuigan converting three frees. However, it came too late as the Mourne side held on to their lead, and booked their place in the All-Ireland decider this coming Saturday afternoon.
Down scorers were – Robbie Coulter 1-6, 0-4 from frees; Mickey Linden 1-0, Brendan McKernan 0-3, one free; S. Devlin 0-2 and C. Smyth 0-1.
Tyrone marksmen were – Paddy McGuigan 0-4 from frees; A. McGahan and S. Meyler 0-2 apiece and J. McCaskie 0-1.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: up down on October 04, 2007, 04:20:17 PM
Stop having a winge, ur obviously from the mighty ford! i hope u's go down, ure a bunch of posers aswell :-*   i think u might be having a relationship with townie, fight your own battles dont get other 3rd parties involved, if down are to get better they must ban all bryansford players. ne thoughts?
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 02, 2007, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: up down on October 01, 2007, 11:17:54 PM
i agree with south down for once in that young gibney should get chance. also heard rumors that ciaran rogers from the 'stone was asked to join the county panel, a nippy defender with a good work ethic but can be a bit yella at times.
from the squad that has been announced its lookin like another depressing year from down, the players arent there not the managements fault.
bryansford are the worst team in division 1 apart from attical their performance the other day was terrible. castlewellan should just give up aswell, bunch of posers!

Who to fu~k are you and where did you come in from?

Did you think that any particular squad was going to change things? We all know the problems are out there.

Just because Bryansford had a bad day it doesnt make them the worst team - they had 21 points usually enough to see you safe but with the league being so tight this year it went to the wire with Castlewellan getting a great win against the County Finalists Longstone to finish with 22 points - if Bryansford are as bad as a p***k like you is stating then just give mayobridge the cup today as Longstone wont be a threat at all especially with a 'yella corner back' in their team.
I know we had a bad day on Saturday and stated it here but we arent gone yet - Saturday is the biggest test for Bryansford in a long time and I will be confident of a result.
As for Castlewellan being posers perhaps Townie could reply to that one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 04, 2007, 10:27:57 PM
Quote from: up down on October 04, 2007, 04:20:17 PM
Stop having a winge, ur obviously from the mighty ford! i hope u's go down, ure a bunch of posers aswell :-*   i think u might be having a relationship with townie, fight your own battles dont get other 3rd parties involved, if down are to get better they must ban all bryansford players. ne thoughts?
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 02, 2007, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: up down on October 01, 2007, 11:17:54 PM
i agree with south down for once in that young gibney should get chance. also heard rumors that ciaran rogers from the 'stone was asked to join the county panel, a nippy defender with a good work ethic but can be a bit yella at times.
from the squad that has been announced its lookin like another depressing year from down, the players arent there not the managements fault.
bryansford are the worst team in division 1 apart from attical their performance the other day was terrible. castlewellan should just give up aswell, bunch of posers!

Who to fu~k are you and where did you come in from?

Did you think that any particular squad was going to change things? We all know the problems are out there.

Just because Bryansford had a bad day it doesnt make them the worst team - they had 21 points usually enough to see you safe but with the league being so tight this year it went to the wire with Castlewellan getting a great win against the County Finalists Longstone to finish with 22 points - if Bryansford are as bad as a p***k like you is stating then just give mayobridge the cup today as Longstone wont be a threat at all especially with a 'yella corner back' in their team.
I know we had a bad day on Saturday and stated it here but we arent gone yet - Saturday is the biggest test for Bryansford in a long time and I will be confident of a result.
As for Castlewellan being posers perhaps Townie could reply to that one.

My only thought is your a shit stirrring p***k who should piss off to the hogan stand if you insist in posting complete unproductive bollocks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 04, 2007, 10:54:43 PM
Lads, let hear  your guess of who you think will be man of match  between Stone and Bridge on Sunday's Senior final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2007, 11:02:06 PM
Drici, as you probably know, the Longstone banner you mention refers to a school in Dundonald. This is of course in Co Down, but Dundonald gaels tend to keep a fairly low profile.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 05, 2007, 09:31:27 AM
Umpire - I think the Bridge should be good enough to win it but the Stone are one of the few teams in Down that can really test us.  The Stone will have massive support and every neutral in the crowd almost to a man will be behind them.  If the Stone get a head of steam built up and the crowd start to sense to prospect of the stone taking our scalp we could have a torrid afternoon.   Hopefully its a good game for the TV but I doubt either team will mind if they have to win ugly.  I'm obviously biased in think that the Bridge will win, what do the neutrals think?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on October 05, 2007, 02:51:32 PM
Will we get a pint before the match on Sunday ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 05, 2007, 04:11:20 PM
Our county and especially our County Senior team need Longstone to win on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 05, 2007, 04:34:04 PM
QuoteOur county and especially our County Senior team need Longstone to win on Sunday.

And why would that be??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 05, 2007, 04:37:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 05, 2007, 04:11:20 PM
Our county and especially our County Senior team need Longstone to win on Sunday.

Very strange - why the county senior team?

Anyway, Bryansford head to Castlewellan tomorrow to play leitrim to stay in the top flight - I cant see us turning it around and sadly predict a fall to div 2 and after that I dont want to think about it - we will lose a lot of players if we go down and dont have the replacements coming through.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 05, 2007, 04:49:43 PM
Sure Longstone only have one County player, cant see a Longstone victory helping the county.

AMallon, how do you see it going?  I think its quit like the build up to this years Cork v Kerry AIF:  it could be a real close game with the chance of the underdogs claiming a surprise win......or the inevitable could happen and the favourites will win with ease.  Lets the hope the latter doesnt and we can claim a famous win!

On another note, I think the CB have made 2 c**k ups already on this final: Firstly, the delayed kick off which has ruined the live transmisiion.  And secondly, making the seated stand all ticket might be a bad move.  Most people I know will just pay to go to the terraces rather than going through the hassle of finding a ticket.  Dont be surprised if the stand is half empty.

Some buzz around the Stone at the minute, its class.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 05, 2007, 05:26:51 PM
Longstone have the tools to give Mayobridge their biggest challenge in the final since 2003, but it's difficult not to see the Sky Blue prevailing all the same. The Sky Blues have a better team and would in all likelihood win a straight game of football.

For the 'Stone to win, I would suggest they will need to stop Mayobridge's big three, also stop the Sky Blues scoring goals and then take them on in a point-scoring only contest. It's almost impossible to stop Mayobridge scoring goals though. I wonder if Longstone have the ability to abandon their attacking flair for the day and:

- Leave a poisonously quick and isolated three man forward line of Kelly, Poland and Stevie Doran.
- Send Mark Doran out with only one job for the day, to cancel out Ronan Sexton. Where Sexton goes, Doran goes.
- Play each of the other five defenders in the full-back line, three playing deeper to break down the inevitable high ball onslaught, two playing in front to collect the breaks.
- Have a remit of immediately fouling Benny should he get past the first defender.
- Be prepared to use all five subs in defence as the yellow cards tot up.
- Play the three half-forwards as the half-back line, with a remit of putting pressure on anyone taking long-range shots.
- On gaining possessioin, play the ball in first time, every time, to that forward line.
- Use the fitness and pace of Trimble and Rogers to support the three forwards. Everyone else stays put.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: up down on October 05, 2007, 07:11:59 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 04, 2007, 10:27:57 PM
Quote from: up down on October 04, 2007, 04:20:17 PM
Stop having a winge, ur obviously from the mighty ford! i hope u's go down, ure a bunch of posers aswell :-*   i think u might be having a relationship with townie, fight your own battles dont get other 3rd parties involved, if down are to get better they must ban all bryansford players. ne thoughts?
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 02, 2007, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: up down on October 01, 2007, 11:17:54 PM
i agree with south down for once in that young gibney should get chance. also heard rumors that ciaran rogers from the 'stone was asked to join the county panel, a nippy defender with a good work ethic but can be a bit yella at times.
from the squad that has been announced its lookin like another depressing year from down, the players arent there not the managements fault.
bryansford are the worst team in division 1 apart from attical their performance the other day was terrible. castlewellan should just give up aswell, bunch of posers!


Who to fu~k are you and where did you come in from?

Did you think that any particular squad was going to change things? We all know the problems are out there.

Just because Bryansford had a bad day it doesnt make them the worst team - they had 21 points usually enough to see you safe but with the league being so tight this year it went to the wire with Castlewellan getting a great win against the County Finalists Longstone to finish with 22 points - if Bryansford are as bad as a p***k like you is stating then just give mayobridge the cup today as Longstone wont be a threat at all especially with a 'yella corner back' in their team.
I know we had a bad day on Saturday and stated it here but we arent gone yet - Saturday is the biggest test for Bryansford in a long time and I will be confident of a result.
As for Castlewellan being posers perhaps Townie could reply to that one.

My only thought is your a shit stirrring p***k who should piss off to the hogan stand if you insist in posting complete unproductive bollocks.

Theres no need for bad language, maybe u should take ur own advice and defect to the hogan stand, i se you are from dundrum- that says it all! typical east down autocratic nonsense!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: up down on October 05, 2007, 07:31:37 PM
i agree with others in that i dont c how longstone winning will be good for the county team. crossmaglen have dominated the armagh championship to a greater extent than mayobridge in down and they won an all-ireland in that time and numerous ulster titles. i do hope longstone win though they are a good footballing team but i think the bridge will have an off day if this is to happen.

ne thoughts on the sfc powerade all-stars? hows this for a try:

peter travers- b'ford

ciaran rogers- l'stone
michael higgins- l'stone
ryan carville- l'island

luke howard-b'ford
kevin mckernan- burren
james mcgovern- burren

dan gordon- l'island
ambrose rogers- l'stone

john mccarthy- l'island
mark poland- l'stone
mickey walsh- mayobridge

ronan sexton- mayobridge
benny coulter- mayobridge
connor gribben- b'ford

might not play in those exact postions but are the best 15 from the championship so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 05, 2007, 07:52:30 PM
To that tube called 'up down',this is a gaa themed site aimed @ its members debating some sensible points of view & it normally works very well.Then you come along & start stirring the s_ _t & have the cheek to then slag of dundrumite & for using bad language (hardly the worst language i have read on this site may i add),i would think our east down members may also feel a bit agrieved @ your outburst,grow up & take dundrumite's advice.(p.s. hope my language pleases you)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 05, 2007, 08:53:46 PM
Wobbler, think you are spot on there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: townof12 on October 05, 2007, 09:19:55 PM
shows what you know - james mcgovern didnt even play in this years championship as he spent the summer in the states!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 05, 2007, 09:58:22 PM
Quote from: townof12 on October 05, 2007, 09:19:55 PM
shows what you know - james mcgovern didnt even play in this years championship as he spent the summer in the states!

In your box up down, u seem to be a knowledgeable Down geal. :o

Hopefully a good final ahead of us on sunday. Hope longstone dont play as the wobbler predicts it would make for a foul ridden congested game which will be uneasy on the eye. But if thats what it takes for Longstone to win im sure the gaels from mourne couldnt care less, well heres wishing for a good open game of football which with going out on television will help to restore a bit of pride back in down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 06, 2007, 12:22:36 PM
southdown - Don't be slagging off the county board on this "rogue" discussion board.  I get the blame for everything that you boys write on this thread.  Every comment thats made on here is my fault!  Apparently I started this thread even though I didn't, I get the blame for everything!  ::). 

stpauls - You are an "arsehole" for some reason.  But don't worry about it because I'm an "arsehole writing on a rogue discussion board" too!  :-\

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 06, 2007, 12:41:33 PM
Am I an arsehole too? I started the thread.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 06, 2007, 02:12:12 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 06, 2007, 12:41:33 PM
Am I an arsehole too? I started the thread.

:-X   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 06, 2007, 02:56:09 PM
Its probably safe to say we are all arseholes!  ;D  My only saving grace is that I put my own name to my posts.  You boys hiding behind pyseudonames are even bigger arseholes than me apparently!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 06, 2007, 04:15:35 PM
Has the board been getting more grief from CB???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 06, 2007, 06:20:05 PM
tullylish beat Saul
Dundrum beat Bredagh.
Banbridge beat Warrenpoint.

Tullylish and dundrum promoted from Div three, Glassdrumman Banbridge and Warrenpoint must go again.

St Pauls you'd better change your name, we don't want the whole club being persecuted just cause you're an arsehole.  :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 06, 2007, 06:24:32 PM
what did i miss? very lost!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 06, 2007, 06:25:41 PM
DOWN COUNTY BOARD ACT DECISIVELY FOLLOWING 2O07 RULE BOOK MISTAKE


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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 06, 2007, 06:29:13 PM
i assume that the county board has taken offence to something i wrote on here!! fcuk them, it is a public discussion board, and the matter was made very public when Drumgath took the story to the irish news!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pearses on October 06, 2007, 07:09:50 PM
Firstly congratulations to Dundrum (league champions) and Tullylish, hope they do well in division 2.

Bredagh were beat today by the referee.  We were a point down when we got a goal.  The ref gave the goal then disallowed it saying it was a square ball.  The ball came off the crossbar or the post and apparantly that means it cant be square ball - I dont no the exact rule but you would think the referee would.  Real sickening way to end the season.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 06, 2007, 07:35:45 PM
Wasn't me!!

Congrates to all at Dundrum and Tallish on their promotion

No throwing the toys out of the pram, or sour grapesbut the ref was pants, that should never have been disallowed the goal, the scorer was out of the square when the ball hit the bar and he ran in, the ref apparently asked the umpire was the scorer in the square, or course he was when he scored but he ran in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 07, 2007, 02:57:21 AM
was at the bredagh v dundrum game & would like to add that paddy heaney should have had a red card for a blatant punch that both the linesman & ref agreed they saw,fair play to dundrum,the team that tried to play football!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 07, 2007, 10:25:41 AM
Quote from: pearses on October 06, 2007, 07:09:50 PM
Firstly congratulations to Dundrum (league champions) and Tullylish, hope they do well in division 2.

Bredagh were beat today by the referee.  We were a point down when we got a goal.  The ref gave the goal then disallowed it saying it was a square ball.  The ball came off the crossbar or the post and apparantly that means it cant be square ball - I dont no the exact rule but you would think the referee would.  Real sickening way to end the season.



Was at the other end of the field when that occured but by the talk of our boys it was a square ball, however I dont believe that yous were beat solely by the ref and as rambler says heaney should of walked in the first minute,maybe these things balance themselves out over the course of a game. Its going to be a tough year next year but an exciting venture into the unknown espically with the ford having to pay a visit our way. Spirit any truth that a load of your boys didnt bother turning up? By the way would like to congragulate Boscomo on last week, know a few of your boys well and im sure it was an eventful few days after the final, also good luck to them in ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 07, 2007, 11:17:08 AM
What a night last night. Unreal for us not only to go up but to go up as champions. Winning all 3 playoff games took a great amount of character and courage.
Hard luck to Bredagh. I was too far away to see if it was a square ball. However, as Dundrumite says things maybe even themselves out as Paddy Heaney should have walked on more than one occasion. Bredagh will be there or thereabouts next year for sure.
It was good to see Tullylish go up. They were the best team during the League stages and that was a very impressive win over Saul.
It will be unbeleivable next year when Dundrum take on Bryansford. After all those years of listening to shit from them and their supporters we can finally get a good rattle at them.
By the way I have to say our management have been excellent this year. John McShane has had a very successful 3 years in charge. He's led us to the JFC, promotion to Division 3 and now promotion to Division 2 with a League title in hand.
Also, if anybody knows a better trainer in the land than John Morgan then show me him. John took the Down Minors in 2005 to an All Ireland title and now he has trained us over the past three years. He is a superb asset to us.
So well done to the team and management of the two Johns and Eddie Campbell.
Roll on 2008.
I headin back to the pub.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 07, 2007, 04:53:59 PM
Hows the Bridge match going?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on October 07, 2007, 06:21:28 PM
brilliant second half of football today, Longstone fought back hard when the bridge maybe should have had it out of sight! Referee didn't help either sides at times! Don't know if Longstone could put in that effort in again next week. Ambrose took the game by the scruff of the neck in the last 10minutes and that made the difference. As for the bridge, big performances came from Benny, Magee, Gavin Barry, Ronan Sexton. Star man in my eyes today was Pluggy!

Hope that referee isnt the same next week!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 07, 2007, 06:32:01 PM
When ,where is replay?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 07, 2007, 07:59:55 PM
The replay is supposed to be next Sunday, when Barry Kelly, who was suspended today, should be available for the Stone. That could make a difference, especially if Benny is not fully fit. You would still expect the Bridge to come through, but they were fairly ordinary today. They are capable of improving, but it is difficult to see them as potential Ulster contenders at this stage.

From a neutral perspective, the best players on show are probably all on the light side for county football. Mark Doran was outstanding for the Stone, with Mark Poland not far behind, but they have been tried before for Down without making much impact.

Similarly for the Bridge, Adrian Barry was excellent with Gavin Barry also very accomplished in defence. Adrian is bound to get a run for Down, but he may not be physically strong enough, while Gavin, for all his qualities, unfortunately will always struggle against a taller opponent.

Ambrose has a strange sort of game, starting at centre half back before immediately switching to a two-man forward line. It was only when he moved out the field late on that the Stone really got going. If he is at midfield all through next time, anything is possible.

It was a pity to see a few idiots, who looked very young, throwing plastic bottles at each other behind the town goals. Their clubs should make sure that it does not happen again. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 07, 2007, 08:04:27 PM
Whats the craic this year with changing from under 21s to under 20s this year? Is this just an East Down thing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 07, 2007, 08:23:34 PM
I watched the second half of the county SFC final on TG4 after coming back from another match. It was a really good game and a great advert for Down club football on television. Longstone deserved another day out but both teams will hardly worry the Tryone champions. Like most neutrals I expected the Bridge to win easy but the Longstone goal changed everything. Good luck to the underdogs in the replay.

In the Ulster Junior Championship Bredagh beat Cavan Champions Mullahoran 2-10 to 0-07. They now play Donegal Champions Setanta in the Ulster semi final.
How did Liatroim do in their match in Newry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on October 07, 2007, 08:47:47 PM

surely the refereeing in down must have a huge influence on why down can't produce quality defenders. the game today resembled ladies football due to the referee's insistence on blowing up at every sign of contact... irrespective of whether there was a foul or not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on October 07, 2007, 08:51:16 PM
Thrilling finish to the match today - saw it on TG4 who usually have very good coverage - but how did Mayobridge lose ? I saw Mickey Linden along the line - is he still in charge or is he playing a bit now ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on October 07, 2007, 08:53:57 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 07, 2007, 08:51:16 PM
but how did Mayobridge lose ?


i really have no idea
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on October 07, 2007, 08:57:48 PM
The bridge seemed to be cruising all through - they never looked like losing - but there you go !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on October 07, 2007, 09:03:09 PM
You do know they didn't loose yeah?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on October 07, 2007, 09:03:49 PM
Sorry - I meant to say they drew -
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 07, 2007, 09:33:24 PM
A dull first half gave way to a very entertaining second half today. Over the sixty minutes, Mayobridge were the better side, but momentum was very much with the 'Stone during the final 10 minutes and both sides will be partly relieved to get away with a draw.

Best players on show were easily the more famous ones. Mark Doran was outstanding, absolutely everywhere. Barry Doran had a good first 40 minutes or so, and Ambrose had a supreme last quarter. For mayobridge, Benny, Mickey and Ronan were just a cut above the rest, with the exception of Pluggy, who turned in a fine hour.

Apart from that lot, the most eyecatching on show were Norman McComb, Mark Poland, Gavin Barry and Conor Garvey.

Regarding the referee, I thought he sided ever so slightly with 'Stone until they scored the goal, and after that he didn't punish Mayobridge unless absolutely necessary.

Uladh - it's an argument for another day, but I'd much rather referees were stricter than looser at club level. When referees let things go, people end up getting hurt... and as the 30+ people providing our entertainment today all have to get up tomorrow and work in the real world, that's not what Gaelic Games should be about. Whilst your preference might be for bloodletting and boneshuddering, it isn't practical for amateurs to get involved in either.

Regarding next week, one of the first rules of Gaelic football the best team always wins replays, and in my mind Mayobridge are still very much the best of these two teams. They've a better defence, a better attack and by club standards are tactically very aware. It isn't a no-hoper for Longstone. If Ambrose is played at midfield and produces that final quarter for an hour, they could totally dominate possession. Barry Kelly will be a big help. But I just have a feeling that while Mickey Donnelly will spend the next week pinpointing weaknesses to exploit in the opposition, Frank Dawson might spend it beating the drum.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on October 07, 2007, 09:35:59 PM
TheWobbler, whilest I understand your point about people getting hurt it is a physical game. These boys are hardy enough and a bit of hard hitting is great if it does not turn into dirty. The referee was giving everything for the slightest bit of contact.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 07, 2007, 11:49:41 PM
The debate over how strict Down referees should be is an important one, as a number of observers, with experience of how other Ulster counties operate, think frees are given too easily here. No one wants to see players injured, and the rules must be applied fairly, but the suggestion is that our county representatives are entering Ulster championships, taking tackles which they expect to be blown as fouls, and then have difficulty coping when nothing is given.

The Down county board, rightly, insists on high standards, but the argument is that, in Armagh and Tyrone in particular, referees are more inclined to keep the game flowing. It is also the case that Down has been producing smaller players at county level over recent years, which must be a factor, but the question is, are they tough enough to compete at higher levels ? The evidence, in terms of both the Ulster club and county championships, is to the contrary.

When it comes to the crunch, we have been hustled out of some games rather than losing to teams with noticably superior skills. This is going to have to be addressed within the rules of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 08, 2007, 10:37:58 AM
Ciaran Brannigan is the ref for next week, and I think the Ballymartin v Ballyholland playoff game is on before the replay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 08, 2007, 10:50:30 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 07, 2007, 10:25:41 AM
Quote from: pearses on October 06, 2007, 07:09:50 PM
Firstly congratulations to Dundrum (league champions) and Tullylish, hope they do well in division 2.

Bredagh were beat today by the referee.  We were a point down when we got a goal.  The ref gave the goal then disallowed it saying it was a square ball.  The ball came off the crossbar or the post and apparantly that means it cant be square ball - I dont no the exact rule but you would think the referee would.  Real sickening way to end the season.



Was at the other end of the field when that occured but by the talk of our boys it was a square ball, however I dont believe that yous were beat solely by the ref and as rambler says heaney should of walked in the first minute,maybe these things balance themselves out over the course of a game. Its going to be a tough year next year but an exciting venture into the unknown espically with the ford having to pay a visit our way. Spirit any truth that a load of your boys didnt bother turning up? By the way would like to congragulate Boscomo on last week, know a few of your boys well and im sure it was an eventful few days after the final, also good luck to them in ulster.

We were full deck (apart from Poland who never plays important games anyway) on Saturday but lacked the passion to stay in Division One - after 42 minutes we were 1.07 to 0.04 up and cruising, entering injury time Liatroim were 0.15 to 1.09 up - we got a consolation goal to level but couldnt get ahead, in truth we didnt deserve to win and find ourselves in the Division Two set-up next year.
Doyle turned it on for the last twenty minutes and it was great to see him looking so good again, even if it finished us off.
Bryansford need to take stock of this asap - an outsider needs to be brought to discipline our players, ego's go before to many of them and getting asked to train with County Panels seem to blow them all out. At the end of the day a club like Bryansford shouldnt be in Division Two, the pick they have shouldnt allow this to happen.
If anyone cares to tell me Joe Ireland is an inter county player, the pope will be getting Paisley's job in the Free Presbyterian Church!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 08, 2007, 12:02:52 PM
Well done to both teams yesterday, it was probably the game of the championship so far.  If any of the Bridge players underestimated Longstone they will know this morning how good they are.  No matter who wins on Sunday I think this could be the start of a big rivalry that could throw up some cracking games over the next few years. 

Can't believe the Ford got relegated.  They should have been challenging for a top 4 spot not fighting off relegation.  Now if Saval and Ballyholland can get promotion and Loughinisland relegated we will very little traveling to our away games next season.   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: full back on October 08, 2007, 12:14:39 PM
Found it hard to understand how the 'Bridge didnt win that game yesterday.

Good set up at the Marshes, fair play to all involved. Pity about the little bollix's behind the goal. No doubt they were full of booze-the parents/club have to take more responsibility

Longstone came back well at the end, but the 'Bridge should have had them out of sight considering the amount of ball they had. In the first half Longstone had to work very hard for their scores and the centre half forward (Doran I think) kept them in it with frees. Coulter won every ball that went his way in the first half, but looked to have got a knock early in the game. Suprised Mayobridge didnt try to fashion a goal at some stage as it would have put Longstone out of sight.
You can see how Longstone are so good at the sevens as they move forward en-masse, although if they put the ball in long and early their forwards do seem isolated and depend on frees if they dont get support in.
Speaking of frees it isnt to hard to get them. The ref was far too easily conned and as soon as a player went to ground he got the free even if there was only minimal contact. The number 5 on the Longstone team was lucky to stay on the field. It seemed the referee didnt want to finish the game as a contest by sending him off. He got booked, ticked then conceded 2 further fouls and remained on the field. It was the same number 5 who won the free for the equaliser I think.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 08, 2007, 12:28:08 PM
Yeah I thought the number 5 (Mark Doran) was a lucky man to stay on the field. 

The carry on behind the goals doesn't look good for either club.  From what I've heard it was all kids up there.  If there was drink on board (which I don't know is the case) with any of the young Bridge ones they didn't get it from the club.  The club was shut before the match.  The Bridge hadn't organised any supporters busses either.  I'm sure both clubs will be tyring to get to the bottom of it so we have no repeat next week. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 08, 2007, 12:29:19 PM
Doran keeps his cool to force final replay 
Powerade Down Senior Football Championship final: St Patrick's, Mayobridge 0-16 Longstone 1-13 
From Paul McConville at Pairc Esler 

BARRY Doran's steady nerve in the dying embers of yesterday's pulsating Down SFC final in Pairc Esler gave Longstone another chance at knocking Mayobridge of their perch in the Mourne county.

The 'Stone half-forward had scored seven points from dead balls, nine in all, when he stepped up to take probably the most straightforward of them all in the third minute of injury time. He slotted it over with the coolness that had typified his performance and the referee sounded the full-time whistle immediately after Liam Coulter's kick-out.

Mayobridge looked to be marching towards their fourth successive title seven minutes from time when a stylish point from full-forward Cathal Magee had given them a five-point lead.

The reigning champions had weathered early storms from Longstone at the beginning of both halves, but looked to be finally pulling away. That was until Ryan Kelly plundered a 54th minute goal for Longstone to give them the perfect platform to reel in Mayobridge.

Only weeks after their success in the All-Ireland Kilmacud Sevens tournament, Longstone were seeking to win the Down senior title for the first time in only their third final appearance and they started the game with real intent.

After Noel Sexton had given Mayobridge the lead, Barry Doran reeled off three successive points, two from frees, to give Longstone a two-point lead after six minutes.

But the champions soon got into their familiar routine and levelled matters thanks to points from county stars Michael Walsh (free) and Benny Coulter.

Mark Poland briefly put Longstone back in front with a fine fisted point on 14 minutes, but the 'Stone would not split the posts again until first half injury time as Mayobridge went about constructing a five-point interval lead.

Longstone were unable to cope with quick passing and movement of the Sky Blues, allied to their accurate long passing game and Michael Walsh in particular unlocked their defence on a number of occasions.

A free from Walsh levelled the game on 15 minutes before Adrian Barry's long ball found Cathal Magee who fired over a point on the turn

five minutes later.

Magee and Conor Garvey combined to set up Benny Coulter, Walsh converted another free and Noel Sexton benefited from good build-up play from Coulter and John Caldwell to bag his second point of the afternoon as the 'Bridge surged ahead.

Barry and Coulter added further points late in the half, either side of a pointed free from Barry Doran to ensure double scores at the break.

Doran again proved deadly from the frees as he started off the second half in the same way he had begun the first – with three points. But Ronan Sexton and Magee had managed to keep the 'Bridge total ticking over in the meantime.

The teams traded points until Magee edged Mayobridge five in front with seven minutes remaining. It was then that Longstone's county star, Ambrose Rodgers, whose county season this year had been almost wiped out by injury, took the game by the scruff of the neck.

Mark Poland fielded a long ball and offloaded it to Ryan Kelly, himself seeking to put an horrific injury behind him, and he fired his shot to the roof of the net.

Rodgers then powered through the Mayobridge defence to make it a one-point game right on the hour mark.

Mayobridge had chances to grab that extra score which would have ended the Longstone challenge, but instead it was the 'Stone who surged forward and a foul on Mark Doran 20 metres out allowed Barry Doran to take the game to a replay.



MATCH STATS

Mayobridge: L Coulter; G Barry, B Grant, M Lively; S Grant, R Sexton (0-1), K O'Hare; E Woods, J Caldwell; A Barry (0-1), M Walsh

(0-6, 0-5 frees), C Garvey; N Sexton (0-2),

C Magee (0-3), B Coulter (0-3).

Sub: J Quinn for Garvey (41).

Longstone: A Poland; M Higgins, E Quinn, C Poland; M Doran, N McCombe, C Smyth; J Magee, P Trainor; E Trimble, B Doran (0-10,

0-8 frees), S Doran; R Kelly (1-0), A Rodgers

(0-1), M Poland (0-2).

Sub: G Trainor for Trimble (44).

Referee: D Moore (Tullylish).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 08, 2007, 12:31:36 PM
It's back to the drawing board for Mournemen 
County Focus - Down 
By Staff Reporter 

Where it went wrong...

When Ross Carr took over as Down manager, the county football team was at another low ebb. Beaten 1-7 to 0-4 by Sligo in the 2006 Qualifiers, the Mournemen's forwards had failed to score from play.

Ross Carr and his assistant DJ Kane set out to put things right. Twelve months later, and little appears to have changed. When Meath accounted for Down in this year's Qualifiers, the forwards managed a single point from play over the course of the 70 minutes.

Down's exit marked the end of weary season in which they failed to win a game in the McKenna Cup and National League. An unexpected victory against Cavan offered a brief glimpse of hope and promise which was quickly extinguished by Monaghan, and then Meath.


Clearly, when a team manages just one victory in 14 games, there is something amiss. But it would be too easy to pin all the blame on Ross Carr. Certainly, the manager must bear some responsibility, but Pete McGrath, Paddy O'Rourke and now Carr have all experienced similar

difficulties.

When analysing the problems in Down football, a more holistic approach is required. It's not enough to just criticise the manager and the players.

A major part of the problem is that it is no longer considered a great honour to wear the red and black. While it can be assumed that the 30 players in any squad represent the best players in the county, this is not the case in Down.

Several players whom Carr asked to join the squad declined the opportunity. Some cited work

commitments, others just weren't prepared to make the necessary sacrifice.

Of the players who did join the squad, it's clear that some are either unaware, or simply incapable of making the commitments that are necessary at this level.

In Jack O'Connor's book, The Keys to the Kingdom, O'Connor continually refers to the O Se brothers and the West Kerry concept of the fair laidir – the real leader.

In Darragh O Se, Kerry have a 'fair laidir', a man who, by fair means or foul, will take command of a game.

Down have a severe dearth of such individuals.

Nevertheless, while Down aren't blessed with an abundance of generals, they are still underperforming. The raw material in Fermanagh and Monaghan is of a similar standard and these counties have demonstrated what can be achieved with ambition, discipline and proper organisation. Let's not forget Down won All-Ireland minor titles in 1999 and 2005. The county continues to produce decent footballers.

Ross Carr made mistakes in his first season. Players were selected who weren't up to the standard. It was also a huge risk resting players at the start of the season and experimenting in the National League.

The gamble almost paid off. Once Down beat Cavan, the victory helped the players to disregard their gruesome run of results in the League. But their confidence was only superficial.

After losing to Monaghan, their brittle confidence was shattered and they were incapable of lifting themselves for the Meath game.

A different approach will be required next season.



Manager status...

Ross Carr will be acutely aware that he can't afford a repeat of this season. However, a rocky road lies in front of the Mourne boss.

It seems that Carr was prepared to sacrifice a year in order to find new players and establish a new team.

But after conducting wholesale experiments, Carr doesn't appear to have made much progress.

Down finished 2007 in much the same style as they did in 2006. Carr has been forced back to the drawing board. He has hauled in a batch of new recruits. The former All-Ireland medallist will need to work swiftly, make a swift cull at Christmas, test a few players in the McKenna Cup and be ready for serious action in the National League.



The new breed...

Ross Carr has been reluctant to use the young players who won All-Ireland minor medals in 2005. He wants to avoid a repeat of the situation which followed the minor success in '99 when Benny Coulter & Co were expected to lead the team when they were barely out of the minor grade.

Carr believes Down shouldn't be burdening their hopes and aspirations on such young player and this explains why he used Paul McComiskey so sparingly in the Championship.

Despite his limited game time the Dundrum lad's tally of 0-4 made him the team's third highest scorer from play and he's set for more exposure in 2008. McComiskey was the only player from the 2005 minor team which made the Championship squad, but others are set to follow.

Kevin McKernan (Burren) (pictured), Colm Murney (Rostrevor), James Colgan (An Riocht) and Cathal McGee (Mayobridge) have been called to trials. As minors, McKernan and Murney were hard, uncompromising defenders who appeared to have the credentials for senior football. The Down defence could use players of

their ilk.



What they need...

Down desperately need to learn how to defend. In their three matches in the Ulster Championship they conceded 2-11, 0-11 and 2-15. That's an average of over 16 points per game.

A major part of the problem stems from club football in the county. The style of refereeing greatly favours forwards and this might explain why Down has a tradition of producing great

forwards and dodgy defenders.

A club game in Down bears little resemblance to anything that is played in Armagh, Tyrone or Derry.

There is a far greater degree of physicality allowed in these counties and this might explain why they produce strong, robust defenders who thrive at inter-county level.

As previously mentioned, part of Down's problem is that it is no longer a great honour to wear the red and black.

If Down are to progress, Ross Carr must make the prospect of playing for Down an attractive proposition. He can only do this through success.

A good League campaign in Division Three is essential. Down must return to winning ways, but success in the third division will not come easily. Sligo, Wexford and Longford have all enjoyed victories over Down in recent years. For all their grand tradition, the Mourne County has no grounds for feeling superior to any of their competitors.

None of the other counties in Division Three will be intimidated by Down, so promotion will be an absolute dogfight.

If Ross Carr can establish a settled team, and the players summon the bottle and consistency required for promotion, then the confidence derived from a solid campaign will provide an excellent grounding for the Championship.



End of the line?

Although Brendan Grant, Michael Walsh and John Clarke are not in the pre-Christmas squad, Grant is the only one of the trio to be dropped.

Walsh is still based in England where he studying for a degree in physiotherapy.

He is unlikely to rejoin the panel until the academic year is over. An Riocht's John Clarke has asked to take a year out.



Mr Consistency...

Ronan Murtagh was Down's most reliable player in the League and Championship. His

conversion to the defence was a considerable success.

He made up for any lapses in experience and know how with raw aggression.

The Ballyholland man prevented Down from being dumped out of the Championship after their first game when he raced up the pitch and stroked over a pressure-ridden equaliser against Cavan.

That point capped a tremendous individual performance in which his composed play provided the platform for a series of Down's attacks.

It remains to be seen if Murtagh will remain in defence. He has been outstanding for Ballyholland at full-forward. He recently scored 12 of his team's 14 points in a narrow victory over Downpatrick in a league play-off game.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on October 08, 2007, 12:54:42 PM
was at the ford game the other day in the town and have to agree with spirit it was a very disappointing display and although they are our biggest rivals i for one did not want them relegated as it is the first fixture i look for at the start of every year. Heard from one of the boys that Travers is moving to pastures new i.e Drumgath, he was one of the better players on show with a great save in the second half, Can spirit lighten on this rumour?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 08, 2007, 01:47:55 PM
Quote from: Townie on October 08, 2007, 12:54:42 PM
was at the ford game the other day in the town and have to agree with spirit it was a very disappointing display and although they are our biggest rivals i for one did not want them relegated as it is the first fixture i look for at the start of every year. Heard from one of the boys that Travers is moving to pastures new i.e Drumgath, he was one of the better players on show with a great save in the second half, Can spirit lighten on this rumour?

Cant enlighten you on this but Peter has been travelling from Rathfriland for 5 years now and maybe with working in Belfast is finding it a handful - especially with a family as well.
If he does leave he will owe us nothing though.
I was talking to Big Dick and few others and they had the same conclusion as you townie - sad to see us go as they always enjoy the ford games.... Maybe Championship time we will meet...
What do you think went wrong townie?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on October 08, 2007, 01:59:20 PM
When you read some of the comments on refereeing in Armagh, maybe Down refs aren't that bad.

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=769.4305 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=769.4305)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 08, 2007, 02:07:57 PM
Can't believe the Ford got relegated.  They should have been challenging for a top 4 spot not fighting off relegation.  Now if Saval and Ballyholland can get promotion and Loughinisland relegated we will very little traveling to our away games next season.   ;)
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Thankfully it isn't going to happen this year. Atticall and Bryansford are relegated and so you will have to put up with the travelling for at least another year. Obviously glad Bryansford only manged a draw on Saturday because it saved our bacon, but I would have a lot of time for Bryansford and it will only be short stay in division 2. I believe there was only 3 points between top 4 and bottom 4 this year and it feels wrong when such a slender difference can ultimately end in relegation.

Talk of reducing Div one to 10 teams abound and getting rid of the play-offs. That is the best way forward. Due to out present inconsitency that might be like Turkeys voting for Christmas but it would be for the good of the county as a whole. Any meaningful football in Down is played at the end of season play-offs or when the Championship starts in late summer. Most other counties have competive meaningful games at the start of their season and are battle hardened to a degree for the Championship. On the other hand our players are playing uncompetive (relatively speaking) games for the first half of the season and this is reflected in their performance at county level.  

Down used to have a 10 team division one when all games were played with county players pre 91-94. Survival of the fittest then and no escape routes (ie play-offs) Every game with full compliment of players so others not involved in the county had chance to improve against better players. I know we had problems with fixture back log because of the county sucess then, but we killed the goose that laid the golden egg. Strong league equals strong county and vice versa.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 08, 2007, 02:33:44 PM
Results and Fixtures

Down GAA Results



O'Neills International Sportswear

Div One

Bryansford 2-9 Liatroim 0-15

Bryansford relegated.

Div Two

Clann Na Banna 2-16 Warrenpoint 0-11

Div Three

Tullylish beat Saul

Dundrum beat Bredagh

Dundrum & Tullylish promoted.

ACPRFL

An Riocht (no ref) Downpatrick

Clonduff w/o Warrenpoint d/f

Rostrevor 2-10 Bryansford 0-8

Powerade MFC Final

Rostrevor 2-12 Saval 1-11

Powerade SFC Final

Mayobridge 0-16 Longstone 1-13



South Down U13 FL

Ballymartin 3-8 Mitchels 4-5

Glenn 3-10 Tullylish 2-4

An Riocht 3-7 Clonduff 4-10

Ballyholland v Shamrocks

Atticall 0-4 Bosco 1-14

Drumgath 1-3 Clann Na Banna 3-3



Down GAA Fixtures



Saturday 13th October

2pm ACPRFL S20

Mayobridge v Liatroim

Downpatrick v Longstone (off)

Rostrevor v An Riocht

Warrenpoint v Bryansford

Burren v Kilcoo (off)

4pm PRFC Final Replay

Ballyholland: Burren v Clonduff

(extra time if required)



Sunday 14th October

O'Neills International Sportswear

Div Two Playoffs 12.45pm

Clonduff: Saval v Downpatrick

Rostrevor: Warrenpoint v Glasdrumman

1.45pm Pairc Esler: Ballyholland v Ballymartin



3.30pm Powerade SFC Final Replay

Newry: Longstone v Mayobridge

(extra time if required)



Sunday 14th October 

11am South Down U13 FL

Tullylish v Ballymartin J Quinn

Mitchels v Rostrevor P Mc Clory

Shamrocks v An Riocht B Cranney

Clonduff v Saval M Cole

Clann Na Banna v Atticall B Rice

Bosco v Mayobridge P Preece



Wednesday 17th October

O'Neills International Sportswear

Div One semi-final in Newcastle

Burren v Kilcoo



Friday 19th October

O'Neills International Sportswear

Div One semi-final in Newcastle

Mayobridge v An Riocht

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 08, 2007, 02:36:56 PM
From what i've heard there was no drink involved in that trouble behind the goals, I think they are all around 16 or so and things got out of hand after a bottle was thrown and some lads were kicked out of the ground by the stewards.  Dickheads the lot of them.

Paddy Heaney was pretty critical in todays IN about commitment of County players, a good read.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 08, 2007, 04:51:51 PM
Quote from: southdown on October 08, 2007, 02:36:56 PM
From what i've heard there was no drink involved in that trouble behind the goals, I think they are all around 16 or so and things got out of hand after a bottle was thrown and some lads were kicked out of the ground by the stewards.  Dickheads the lot of them.

Paddy Heaney was pretty critical in todays IN about commitment of County players, a good read.

Yeah, the assholes involved should be in Windsor Park........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on October 09, 2007, 09:47:44 AM
Thought Ambrose was wasted in at full forward for too long  , he could of cleaned up at midfield . Doran was lucky to stay on but he had a great game breaking out of defence and a lot of Stones scores in the second half came as a result of his breaks . Has he been asked back to the county set up for another go at it ? Like others cant believe how the Bridge didn't win the game but you'd have to fancy them to finish the job next time out .

Was walking to the car behind a group of young lads who from what they were saying  were behind the goal , They were all in great form and seemed happy enough with what took place . It shouldn't be too hard to find out who was responsible for this and action should be taken against those involved . Great for Nicky Brennan to see that nonsense  >:(
Didn't get a program , was there many left without ? seemed to be scarce enough .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on October 09, 2007, 09:57:04 AM
Aristotle while the Referees in Armagh are as shambolic as they come, it is mainly due to crazy decisions like playing 25 minutes one half and 35 the next. There is no denying Armagh football is more hard hitting and I think it benefits the players.

It did look bad behind the goals for a tv perspective. The announcment for the stewards and then the camera panned to them every couple of minutes. Little was seen except a bit of goading and a few stewards in between.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on October 09, 2007, 02:32:01 PM
In the Irish News today that the Down Hearing Committee will tonight hear Drumgath's appeal against the CCC's ruling on their failure to take part in the Div 3 Relegation Play-offs.

I wonder how many days/weeks/months it will take for them to make official communication of the outcome to the three clubs involved in this wee mess?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on October 09, 2007, 03:24:03 PM
after barry doran scored 10 points on sunday, one would think he would be worth a try on the county panel(if he alreadi is apoligies).....if he could score ten points for down we could win the all ireland, exactly what down need, an outstanding freekick taker!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 09, 2007, 03:29:32 PM
On 5FM today Benny has a broken foot?
Any confirmation?
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 09, 2007, 05:32:18 PM
Draw. Replay this Friday night 8pm in Breffni Park
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: up down on October 09, 2007, 09:11:38 PM
did anyone else c the mini riot behind the goals at the town end at the final on sunday, looked like it was started by longstone supporters although the their mayobridge counterparts reacted stupidly, saw one youth being escorted from the ground by a steward. the county board should fine both clubs, we dont want gaelic games turning out like soccer attracting hooligans such as these.

good to c bryansford go down, the only good thing about them is their floodlights.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 09, 2007, 09:45:09 PM
oh look, there's a reaction that someone is trying to provoke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 09, 2007, 10:20:23 PM
I also heard that Coulter is injured?  Any truth?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 10, 2007, 08:22:10 AM
Quote from: up down on October 09, 2007, 09:11:38 PM
did anyone else c the mini riot behind the goals at the town end at the final on sunday, looked like it was started by longstone supporters although the their mayobridge counterparts reacted stupidly, saw one youth being escorted from the ground by a steward. the county board should fine both clubs, we dont want gaelic games turning out like soccer attracting hooligans such as these.

good to c bryansford go down, the only good thing about them is their floodlights.

Oh yeah you really wind it up !!
Actually the County Board own the lights!!
Having taken stock of the situation Bryansford will use Division Two and 'blood' their current U17 team who play in the Paul McGirr Final on Saturday so you are probably right 'up down' that it is good to 'c'!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 10, 2007, 09:10:13 AM
Spirit, obviously you are on the wind up.

QuoteHaving taken stock of the situation Bryansford will use Division Two and 'blood' their current U17 team who play in the Paul McGirr Final on Saturday

Yiz will be in Div 3 before you know it if that's the craic.  It wasn't too long ago yiz were down and it didn't prove that easy to get back to the top division.

I await a reply from Down's angriest poster  ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 10, 2007, 09:20:29 AM
Benny has done in ankle ligaments.   Conor Garvey has done ligaments in his knee.  We will be without both on Sunday.  Its very disappointing for us but we still have a good chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 10, 2007, 09:41:29 AM
Any word on how Drumgath's appeal went last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 10, 2007, 10:20:05 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 10, 2007, 09:10:13 AM
Spirit, obviously you are on the wind up.

QuoteHaving taken stock of the situation Bryansford will use Division Two and 'blood' their current U17 team who play in the Paul McGirr Final on Saturday

Yiz will be in Div 3 before you know it if that's the craic.  It wasn't too long ago yiz were down and it didn't prove that easy to get back to the top division.

I await a reply from Down's angriest poster  ;D



DIdnt we win a championship on the back of it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 10, 2007, 01:21:29 PM
Quote from: amallon on October 10, 2007, 09:20:29 AM
Benny has done in ankle ligaments.   Conor Garvey has done ligaments in his knee.  We will be without both on Sunday.  Its very disappointing for us but we still have a good chance.
They'll be a big loss to the Bridge and could well swing things in favour of Longstone. Don't tell Lone Shark and we'll make a killing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 10, 2007, 04:24:08 PM
I see according to matt's chat section of the down recorder" that a new proposal is to be put to the county board to restructure the leagues over the next two years to attempt to reduce the top two divisions to ten teams. In the first year 3 teams from division 1 would be relegated with just 1 promotion, while 5 going down from 2 with 1 being promoted from division 3."
Any thoughts? Would certainly make our task of staying in division 3 a mamoth one. No word of what happens to division 3 and 4, it would certainly make some huge mis matches if they are not being tampered with in this proposed change.
spirit wouldnt even bother giving satisfaction of a reaction
Title: Longstone Ultra's
Post by: amallon on October 10, 2007, 04:28:34 PM
http://www.bebo.com/Ultra-GAC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MzEP-EoylQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1dSE05HhCg

You couldn't make it up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 10, 2007, 04:33:04 PM
that has to be seen to be believed!! how old are they, twelve! probably don't even know the meaning of the word ultra!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 10, 2007, 05:55:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 10, 2007, 04:24:08 PM
I see according to matt's chat section of the down recorder" that a new proposal is to be put to the county board to restructure the leagues over the next two years to attempt to reduce the top two divisions to ten teams. In the first year 3 teams from division 1 would be relegated with just 1 promotion, while 5 going down from 2 with 1 being promoted from division 3."
Any thoughts? Would certainly make our task of staying in division 3 a mamoth one. No word of what happens to division 3 and 4, it would certainly make some huge mis matches if they are not being tampered with in this proposed change.
spirit wouldnt even bother giving satisfaction of a reaction

You still on the beer!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on October 11, 2007, 12:49:32 PM
The Mitchels website claims that Drumgath won their appeal  on Tuesday night against being involved in the play-offs on.
Does anyone have any further info?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 12, 2007, 09:48:51 AM
Quote from: uselessfootballer on October 11, 2007, 12:49:32 PM
The Mitchels website claims that Drumgath won their appeal  on Tuesday night against being involved in the play-offs on.
Does anyone have any further info?

guys, has any body heard anything from the county board meeting last night, and what their decision is on how they are going deal with the Div 3 relegation playoff situation?

edit: woohoo, just realised i now have 5 stars, cool!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on October 12, 2007, 04:02:06 PM
Looking forward to what should be a great weekend of football!

The big one between Mayobridge and Longstone being the most enticing, think the stone will take this but its going to be a mamoth task, if ambrose can get on the ball plenty then it's theirs, take him out the field this time though, put him in 10 mins to half time to look for a goal but mark poland can man the full forward line with his supply of ball

Division 2 promotion playoffs should be good also, think saval and ballyholland would have to be favoured even though both were beaten recently in the championship by their opposing teams of this weekend!! both will be looking revenge and i think they'll both get it!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 12, 2007, 04:31:33 PM
I was through Longstone this morning. The whole place is covered in red & white flags except for one Mayobridge flag flying from the house opposite the stone itself. Who lives there?

I'm not sure I approve of them painting the kerbs stones in Annalong red, white & blue just because they've reached a county final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 12, 2007, 05:12:57 PM
The house with the bridge flag is actually our chairman Hugh Rodgers, his wife is from the bridge!
The kerbs were painted red and white, then the Prods thought it would be great to add some blue. Dont agree with the kerbs either, it looks cheap.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on October 12, 2007, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: southdown on October 12, 2007, 05:12:57 PM
The house with the bridge flag is actually our chairman Hugh Rodgers, his wife is from the bridge!


I'm surprised the Ultras haven't put his windows in!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: up down on October 12, 2007, 10:03:41 PM
ne1 heard the rumours that paddy o'rourke is to be the new loughinisland manager? their current manager resigned, didnt think he wud ever take a club other than burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on October 12, 2007, 10:15:13 PM
Was it not Bundy Mason who was over Loughinisland - a sound man if ever you met one.  To go from that to POR is a major change.  How the 'island boys respond to a completely different approach will either be the makings of them, or will destroy them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 12, 2007, 10:22:27 PM
Mayo beat the Down Masters by three in a great game according to my (Mayo) source.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on October 13, 2007, 12:56:26 PM
ANY THOUGHTS ON THE POWERTEAM FROM THIS YEARS CHAMPIONSHIP?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KIDDO on October 13, 2007, 06:50:03 PM
Bryansford 2.12, Cavan gaels 0.14,   in the Paul mc Girr   tournament final played today in Dromore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on October 14, 2007, 02:28:42 PM
Saval won by 2 points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on October 14, 2007, 03:45:29 PM
Longstone - Bridge match live commentary on Five FM radio - 100.5 FM

One point each after 8 minutes

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on October 14, 2007, 04:08:48 PM
Half Time :

Longstone 4 pts
Mayobridge 4 pts

Longstone had a goal disallowed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on October 14, 2007, 04:18:02 PM
Div 2 Playoffs:

Ballyholland 2-10 Ballymartin 1-7
Saval 1-10 Downpatrick 1-8

Thats Ballyholland and Saval up with the only thing left to play being the Div 2 title - probably next weekend. Were the IFC attentions too much in the end for B'martin and the RGU? Anyway well done to to Saval and Ballyholland - probably better equipped to make a go of it in Div 1 next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on October 14, 2007, 04:39:31 PM
11 mins to go

7 pts each

Bridge and Stone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on October 14, 2007, 04:46:49 PM
Goal for the bridge !

Benny Coulter

1.8 Bridge

0.8 Stone

Four mins to go ........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on October 14, 2007, 04:57:14 PM
The Bridge have won.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on October 14, 2007, 05:19:18 PM
Well done to Mickey Donnelly and Mayobridge - congrats.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ExiledGael on October 14, 2007, 05:35:25 PM
Thought Coulter was a major injury doubt? Did he start?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on October 14, 2007, 05:36:35 PM
Coluter came on in 2nd half after about 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 14, 2007, 07:18:15 PM
Anyone know how Warrenpoint v Glassdrumman went?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 15, 2007, 12:00:36 AM
The Ulster championship draw in some ways provides an opportunity for Down. We have spent the last few years concentrating on the Ulster fixture and then failing to perform in the qualifiers. This time round, we need to be realistic and accept in advance that we are likely but not certain to go out at the first provincial hurdle. Our big game, in all probability, is in the first round of the qualifiers and we should  prepare accordingly.

I'd love to think that we could give Tyrone a decent game, but the evidence is strongly against us. We beat them at Casement way back in 1999, and they have since developed to a completely different level while we have gone backwards at a rate of knots.

In eight attempts, we have gone beyond the first round once (2003). The only way for teams like ourselves to improve is through the qualifiers, where our overall record has been played nine and lost seven. Derry, for example, who are better than us but not at Tyrone's standard, have won 16 out of 19 in the qualifiers.

Our performances in the Ulster championship during the same time have been generally, with only a couple of exceptions, somewhere close to our potential, given the players available. In the qualifiers, again with only a couple of exceptions, we have usually failed to turn up. The Meath game this summer was fairly typical. We managed one point from play on our own ground, and that was in the first minute.

Losing at an early stage of the Ulster championship does nothing for us, but a run in the qualifiers just might. I will be in Omagh, convincing myself that we have a chance, but, while you never know, 
we will be big outsiders.

Persuading Down players that we can make an impact in a competition in which they plainly do not wish to be involved is a huge problem, but Derry seem to have managed it. We can either pray for something approaching a miracle against Tyrone, or we can learn to love the qualifiers. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 15, 2007, 05:25:27 AM
on the mobile so this will be brief. Congrats to the bridge on a hard earned win. The stone have earned the total respect of serious football people in the bridge. And probably in down. They are the real deal. Congrats to the harps and to saval thanks for adding 2 local derbies to next years fixtures. Oiche mhaith. County champions! Yes! Sweet!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 15, 2007, 08:44:06 AM
Congrats to my mates at Ballyholland, thank God we won't have to face Murtagh again next year!

Warrenpoint beat Glassdrumman and are safe.

Mourne Rover, do we not go straight into the Tommy Cooper cup if (or when!) Tyrone beat us?

Well done to Mayobridge.

My most sincere comiserations to the RGU and S*ul for their play off disappointments this year.  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 15, 2007, 08:44:12 AM
Once again we seen Mayobridge win a championship and well done to them.
Longstone lost the game in the first half yesterday when the Bridge were there for the taking - they missed roughly 2.4 of reasonably easy scoring chances then in the second half they didnt show up at all - Ambrose was a major dissapointment for them as were the six forwards with none really stepping up after last week, I also thought the decision to start Barry Kelly went against them as his lack of match practice showed up - although given his committment to the stone over the years it was good to see him play in a final.
When Benny changed his footwear at half time the script was set up for him and he showed his class by playing out exactly how it was wrote - thought Walsh and Brian Grant were immense as well for the winners - Longstone lacked a leader yesterday and paid the price but they may well be back.

Bryansford won the McGirr Cup on Saturday with a great win over Cavan Gaels who have won the Cavan Minor Championship for the past two years so it was a great win but we need to build on this. Watch out for Phillip Bonny coming through the ranks as he showed on Saturday he is a different class - Ryan McMenamin said on giving him MOM that it was the most accomplished performance from a player so young he ever seen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 15, 2007, 09:37:34 AM
Absolutely gutted.  That game was there to be won had we taken our chances in a first half which we completely dominated.  But the Bridge had too much class when it really mattered and congratulations to them, i hope they beat Dromore and do well in Ulster.  We will be back though, there is a county title in this team.  Im too hungover to type an more.......
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 15, 2007, 09:43:58 AM
It looked a bit hairy for us in the last 5-10 mins when Murtagh got a straight red but the sending off seemed to make our boys take responsibility. There was only 2 points in it at that stage and Ballymartin were getting on top but we managed to get a goal and a point to kill them off.

Benny was the difference in the bridge game. The stone never took their chances and Ambrose didnt get started at all but when Coulter appeared the game changed not least beacuase he got the decisive goal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 15, 2007, 10:26:58 AM
congratulations to the bridge once again.

not as good a game as last weeks encounter, didnt think the atmosphere was as good. thought longstone didnt get their no11 onto the ball enough. if ambrose had have looked for him a bit more instead of trying to carry the ball things may have been different. dont think we have seen the last of longstone though.

warrenpoint v glasdrumman was a poor game. finished 1.16 to 0.5 to the point. i think the referee must play to different rules than anyone else, could have sent players off numerous times throughout the game but only got round to doing so one minute from the end when a good aul melee kicked off down in the bottom corner. the warrenpoint keeper made an awful eejit of himself in the process.

why did murtagh hit the ballymartin lad? just saw it out of the corner of my eye. couldnt see any reason for him doing it but im sure he didnt do it for nothing.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 15, 2007, 10:45:59 AM
Quote from: behind the wire on October 15, 2007, 10:26:58 AM

why did murtagh hit the ballymartin lad? just saw it out of the corner of my eye. couldnt see any reason for him doing it but im sure he didnt do it for nothing.


Behind the Wire. Have a read of a report on the match and you'll get some idea why he did it.

http://www.ballyholland.org/reports/index.php?id=92&theyear=2007 (http://www.ballyholland.org/reports/index.php?id=92&theyear=2007)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 15, 2007, 10:50:15 AM
How does everyone think our clubs will go in the Ulster series? Mayobridge are up against what seems to be a very good Dromore team. I fancy the Bridge's chances though as they have the greater experience. I don't hold out much hope for Downpatrick against Tyholland. The Monaghan side have Gary McQuaid and Raymond Ronaghan in their ranks and surely they will be too good for the RGU. Bosco may find it tight against Aughamullen. Colm Flanagan lines out for them. Although they could sneak a good run in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 15, 2007, 10:55:54 AM
cheers 5 sams. i know murtagh, like all good forwards, will come in for constant special treatment for from opposition defences on a regular basis but to do what he done in front of the linesman was silly. has he never heard of biding his time? he would have needed the referee that was doing the warrenpoint glasdrumman match, if it had been him murtagh would have got a yellow card.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 15, 2007, 10:56:25 AM
Congratulations to Mayobridge. Obviously, the introduction of Coulter was the turning point of the game, but the reality is that the Sky Blues still looked as good as their opponents without him, despite being a long way below their best. Mayobridge appeared to playing within themselves before Benny was brought on. Their key playmakers Pluggy and Sexton couldn't get on the ball, and even when they did, without Coulter to hit, their preferred tactic of the long diagonal ball didn't seem as inviting.

Once again, it was Mayobridge's unheralded defence that were their more impressive unit. Shane O'Hare, Brendan Grant and Gavin Barry were excellent, and as a unit they gave Stone's quick forwards no breathing space and gave Barry Doran very few opportunities to practice his free-taking.

They were helped a bit by Ambrose sucking the life out of the ball once again (perhaps this is why Dawson persists with him at 14?) and by a general lack of directness or direction by the Stone in building from the back. Mark Doran though was, once again, superb.

I'd say Longstone are annoyed today that they didn't take their chance. This isn't an old Mayobridge team by any stretch of the imagination, and should they remain committed, will be the best team in Down for another 2-3 seasons at least. Stone met them playing below par and without their talisman (plus the very useful Conor Garvey), and still couldn't make an impact.

With regards to the Ulster, it's very obvious that Mickey Donnelly has being trying to turn Mayobridge into a more direct side, one more suited to winter football. And although a few of them look uncomfortable with it, I think it's a route they had to go down. The only problem is that to play this sort of game, in which you inevitably cough up possession on a regular basis, you need a strong midfield. From the last three games I've seen. Woodsy is not the force he was and Caldwell looks a bit green.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 15, 2007, 11:23:14 AM
Did the ref in the Glass/Wpt match not issue a host of yella cards and a few red ones aswell as a few black mark/ticks during that match. was it that durty??-who were main culprits. Any decent prospects for county involved, although highly unlikely.

on another note county footballers should know that every dirtbag up and down the county will want to get a nibble at them in the big games and use any means neccessary to nulify their unfluence. i would sympathise with them and its horrible to see but at the same time id expect more from our county footballers to be honest.

same old story with Bridge and Stone - depressing from a stone point of view in that they kicked themselves out of it and took numerous wrong options while the bridge were basically kept in the game by Mickey Welsh in 1st half. Then the arrival of Benny pushed them over the finish line. Smacked of desperation having to play him imho.

Congrats to the bridge on a another title win but overall its been a poor championship with little or no newcomers or potential county players on show which would worry me more than who wins our domestic titles.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 15, 2007, 11:42:51 AM
Down GAA Fixtures



Wednesday 17th October 8pm

O'Neills International Sportswear

Div One semi-final in Newcastle

Burren v Kilcoo



Thursday 18th October 8.15pm

O'Neills International Sportswear

Div One semi-final in Newcastle

Mayobridge v An Riocht



Saturday 20th October

2pm ACPRFL

Mayobridge v Liatroim

Downpatrick v Longstone

Burren v Kilcoo

Bryansford v Rostrevor



Sunday 21st October

Pairc Esler:

1pm Div One Hurling

Shamrocks v Portaferry

3pm Div Two Final

O'Neills International Sportswear

Ballyholland v Saval



Sunday 21st October

1pm Div Two Relegation

O'Neills International Sportswear

Clonduff: Clann Na Banna v Glasdrumman



South Down GAA Fixtures



Sunday 21st October

11am U13FL

Ballymartin v Glenn B Andrews

Rostrevor v Tullylish P Mc Clory

An Riocht v Ballyholland B Rice

Saval v Shamrocks M Cranney

Atticall v Drumgath M Cole

Mayobridge v Clann Na Banna P Preece

No SD U20 FC today.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 15, 2007, 12:14:53 PM
delighted that the harps have gone up, and to be fair i think should have done so last year. fair play to ballymartin, they have a good young side on the whole and will no doubt be top4 again next year. sometimes you have to lose one or two to bounce back and this year will be a great learning experience for their younger lads.....

re: murtagh's sending off, i thought he was a very silly fella to get involved. yes he takes so much abuse, but his style of direct running is always going to bring that on; he has matured incredibly this year and his temperament has gotten much better; for some reason yesterday he snapped for something pretty minor to be honest. to then do it in front of linesman plus main ballymartin crowd was very silly.....he will be a huge miss in the league final, and missing games such as this will be a harsh lesson....

as for the senior game, i was so disappointed with the poor fare on show - if this is the best we can muster in down then its no wonder we are in county diffs. the playrs just really arent there, but monaghan have shown with the right selection, organisation and direction we could still be a force. tactics have not been right for 5 or 6 years now and until they change we dont seem to have the players to play an old fashioned open game plan.....

longstone will be kicking themselves as they passed up such an opportunity to beat an average bridge team. this IMHO is hte poorest bridge team from all their recent winning teams, and the cracks are starting to appear. in saying that, having benny, walsh, sextons, grant, and the barrys will ensure they will be right up there for another 5-6 years. i just seriously doubt if they will be good enough for a very good dromore side.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 15, 2007, 01:08:01 PM
brick, the referee in the point match dished out a good few yellows but didnt give any reds until one minute from time when he had no option. could have had the red card out alot sooner, couple of very dodgy tackles on harrisson the glassdrumman corner forward. it cut up rough enough a couple of times. as a neutral i didnt really give a toss, added a bit of entertainment value to what was largely a poor enough match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 15, 2007, 01:36:14 PM
Regarding the Tyrone game.

One of my biggest problems with Paddy O'Rourke's regime was that he never seemed to learn from his mistakes. After the drawn Ulster final, we met Tyrone 3 times and looked more and more stunned each time we played them. To me, this was one of the major reasons why he had to go. This isn't juvenile football, it's county football, and managers have the time, the resources and the dedication from players to react to who they are coming up against.

I'm going to evaluate Ross along similar lines. And the focus of from now should be on dumping Tyrone out of Ulster. For my money, we can't take Tyrone on in a straight game of football. We don't have the players. That's an unfortunate truth. We will need at least one extra player back in defence and we will need to be utterly cynical at the breakdown in midfield. When we don't win the breaks, we need to stop them from gaining momentum, by hook or by crook. That's how Derry beat them last year.

In Ross's reign up to now, performances can be excused due to experimentation. By the time Tyrone comes around next May though, this won't be a viable excuse. Before then, we will need to see a recognisable core to our team heading out every game, and specialist players playing in specialist positions. His quest shouldn't just be to find a reliable full-back, but a reliable full-back strong enough to hold off Stevie O'Neill. Whoever he has in line for left half-back has to have a hell of an engine, as he will most likely be marking Brian Dooher.

Elegant wing-backs don't make county standard corner-backs. It's all about man-marking and we're better off with poor footballers who can man-mark than the reverse. Gavin Barry should be drafted in under the realisation that although he could put Colm McCullagh in his pocket, he's not big enough to mark Eoin Mulligan or Stephen O'Neill. His position depends on who we're up against.

Skilful fowards should be played where they can do damage as skilful forwards. We can afford to play with just four or five forwards if at least three of them are capable of both winning it and using it, such as Benny Coulter, Ronan Murtagh and Paul McComiskey.

Division III is no grounding for county ball, so if we're going to play a Division III midfielder, he should start every  National League game in order to ready him properly.

There is nothing that would give Down football a shot in the arm like beating Tyrone. For the likes of Murtagh, Clarke, Coulter, Doyle and Sexton, who have experienced some of thheir darkest days as players against the Red Hands, it could rejuvenate their careers.

It's up to Ross to give them the grounding to do exactly that. If it means leaving 50 years of cultured football in the past, so be it.

Also, if anyone has any clue as to the exact nature of the Down panel, please pass on as much as you can. Some of the rumours I've heard about who is on it are just plain funny. It'd be nice to know the truth.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 15, 2007, 01:55:27 PM
wobbler those funny rumours are probably all true. wouldnt pay too much attention to the names being bandied around this side of xmas to be honest.
Well done to youse boys yesterday, always a danger in playoffs, and likewise to saval. better equipped teams went up imho.
A mention must go to Annaclone's capitulation in business end of season. Bad isnt the word.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 15, 2007, 01:56:14 PM
After yesterday final, here my selection of All Star team
1 Adrain Poland, Longstone;
2, Gavin Barry, Mayobridge;
3 Brendan Grant, Mayobridge;
4 Cormac Poland, Longstone;
5 Mark Doran, Longstone;
6 Seamus Grant, Mayobridge;
7 Luke Howard, Bryansford;
8 John Magee, Longstone;
9 Eoghan Woods. Mayobridge;
10 Kevin McKeran, Burren;
11 Micheal Walsh, Mayobridge;
12 Barry Doran, Longstone;
13 Adrian Barry, Mayobridge;
14 Ciaran Brannigan Bryansford;
15 Benny Coulter, Mayobridge.
Benny is my choice as man of championship.

Top 10 scorers in 2007 Powerade senior football championship iis as folllow.

1 Benny Coulter Mayobridge 5.17
2 Barry Doran Longstone 0.31
3 Micheal Walsh Mayobridge 1.18
4 Kevin McKernan Burren 1.11
5 Ambrose Rodgers Longstone 2.7
6 Chris Brannigan Bryansford 0.12
7 Stephen Doran Longstone 3.3
8 Conor Lavery Kilcoo 1.8
9 Sean Kelly Kilcoo 0.10
10 Mark Poland Longstone 0.9

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 15, 2007, 02:01:03 PM
Was Gavin Barry not brutally exposed in the Championship in Omagh in 2005? He was out of his depth in terms of strength and size - although a very reliable club defender, the county is asking to much of him.

Joe Ireland, Luke Howard and Conor Gribben - Bryansford Panellists.

Ciaran Brannigan an All Star - I dont think it - Bryansford best player in the Championship was easily Gareth Toner at number ten.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 15, 2007, 02:08:03 PM
completely disagree with Allstar mentality, a load a shoite if i may say so.

On the Gavin Barry issue, he is far too small for county football im afraid, not big enough, good club player but hasnt the strength of an intercounty defender imo.
on that note, just think back to 1994 when you had brutes of defenders/corner backs etc, what we would give for a modern day paul higgins now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 15, 2007, 02:44:34 PM
annaclone gave us a hiding mid season and looked shoe in for play offs - still cant believe they didnt make it.

what the hell happened? is cathal back for another yr?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 15, 2007, 03:47:19 PM
New players I have heard that have definitely been called up to the trial squad.

Brendan Rooney (Mayobridge)
John McCarthy (Darragh Cross - Oh yeah thats right Loughinisland signed him a few years back.)
Ryan Stranney (Loughinisland)
Damien Turley (Downpatrick)
Eoin McGuinness (Shamrocks)
Darragh McMeel (Warrenpoint)
Niall McEvoy (Kilcoo)
Gary McArdle (Annaclone)
Peter Fitzpatrick (Ballymartin)
Darren O'Hanlon (Ballymartin)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 15, 2007, 04:14:35 PM
correct me if im wrong but is that Rooney fella not a sub for the bridge.
surely if he cant make his club senior line up then is he not unsuitable for county.
few of those other names are a bit dubious too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 15, 2007, 04:45:52 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 15, 2007, 03:47:19 PM
New players I have heard that have definitely been called up to the trial squad.

Brendan Rooney (Mayobridge)
John McCarthy (Darragh Cross - Oh yeah thats right Loughinisland signed him a few years back.)
Ryan Stranney (Loughinisland)
Damien Turley (Downpatrick)
Eoin McGuinness (Shamrocks)
Darragh McMeel (Warrenpoint)
Niall McEvoy (Kilcoo)
Gary McArdle (Annaclone)
Peter Fitzpatrick (Ballymartin)
Darren O'Hanlon (Ballymartin)

Niall McEvoy - is he the 5'2" corner back - Conor Laverty looks like a giant in comparison!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 15, 2007, 05:22:43 PM
it strikes me that we are drudging the depths of anyone remotely looking like a county footballer in order to unearth 5 or 6 additions.

are those players out there? i doubt it but will else can senior management do?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 15, 2007, 05:25:13 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 15, 2007, 04:45:52 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 15, 2007, 03:47:19 PM
New players I have heard that have definitely been called up to the trial squad.

Brendan Rooney (Mayobridge)
John McCarthy (Darragh Cross - Oh yeah thats right Loughinisland signed him a few years back.)
Ryan Stranney (Loughinisland)
Damien Turley (Downpatrick)
Eoin McGuinness (Shamrocks)
Darragh McMeel (Warrenpoint)
Niall McEvoy (Kilcoo)
Gary McArdle (Annaclone)

Peter Fitzpatrick (Ballymartin)
Darren O'Hanlon (Ballymartin)

Niall McEvoy - is he the 5'2" corner back - Conor Laverty looks like a giant in comparison!

N o your thinking of gerard mc evoy. Niall played on the under 21 team of 2005. Hes a corner back, always in your face and tough as old boots. Be interesting to see how he fares on, but is def a better option than some of last years defenders
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on October 15, 2007, 06:42:29 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on October 15, 2007, 02:44:34 PM
annaclone gave us a hiding mid season and looked shoe in for play offs - still cant believe they didnt make it.

what the hell happened? is cathal back for another yr?

That performance against the harps was the best performance by us all year by a long way Goldenyears and unfortunatley I can't say that we performed at all since then, for what reasons I don't know.  Its the first year since 1993 that the club hasn't been involved in playoffs at either end of the table, so hopefully the long break will refresh the squad for next season. 
As far as I know Cathal Murray will remain in the hotseat for another year.

Also, congratulations to both Ballyholland and Saval on their promotions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 15, 2007, 09:02:57 PM
No1, unless there is another restructuring, only division four teams are placed in the Tommy Murphy Cup. I'd like to think another relegation is out of the question for us, although another bad start to the league could put us under some pressure. Sligo and Louth have both beaten us convincingly over the last 18 months, while Fermanagh been regularly performing at a higher standard than we have for several years.

However, if we can win our home games, we should still be close to the top. I have not seen any fixtures yet, but, whether we are home or away, we will be in big trouble if we cannot beat Longford, Leitrim, Limerick and Wexford.

The target has to be promotion, a respectable show against Tyrone and at least two wins in the qualifiers. Anything better than this would be decent progress, while anything less would point towards an immediate change of management.

I agree with Wobbler that a win against Tyrone would transform everything, but I cannot see how our problems at the back can be solved in a single season. Scullion is said to have retired, Clarke is apparently taking a year out and Grant has reportedly been dropped again, so you could be looking at a defence which is even weaker than the sub-standard version of last summer.

Rooney was supposed to be our new full back, but he looks much more comfortable out the field. McCartan can tackle but lacks pace while McGuigan is exactly the opposite. The experiment of Murtagh at wingback ultimately failed, while Colgan is an unknown quantity. That leaves Cole as our only experienced defender, and the indications were that Ross did not rate him anyway.

It is not exactly an encouraging picture, even if Doyle is finally given a run in the half-back line. We obviously need to try out some new faces, and I think Sean Parr of Rostrevor is worth an extended look, but building a viable inter-county defence could take another two or three years.

I'd love to think we could be competitive against Tyrone, but the evidence is that teams at our level develop through the qualifiers rather than the provincial championship. We need to give the championship our best shot while accepting that the open draw is our best opportunity. 




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on October 16, 2007, 01:53:36 AM
Here we go again, another bout of experimentation during Mc. Kenna Cup, an unsettled team going into the league, rumours of rifts, morale low, poor run of results, relegation. Championship early exit, much gnashing of teeth and demands that something be done.All futile and too late as we struggle to find players interested in playing Div4 Football. Am i being too pessimistic, i dont think so, and you people that know and care about Down football, fear i could be right. The time for remedial action is NOW. Drifting is not an option. We need a totally fresh approach, innovative and radical. A new management team with full power and their own budget which will free them from Co.Board interference should be given a 1 Year contract with an option for renewal if evaluation of progress is positive. Out with the squad members who have been tried and failed, and in many cases have displayed lack of committment.  Pretty footballers win nothing, we need down and dirty battlers with a passion to win, a strong physique and an average talent which will be improved with proper training and coaching. Gaelic football is a simple game, so lets cut the bullshit get back to basics and start winning, or at the very least start competing, and its been years since we did that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on October 16, 2007, 12:59:55 PM
 I wouldn't worry too much about the Down forwards , the Meath game apart we usually score enough scores to win most matches . On their day Benny , Walsh , Hughes , Murtagh, Sexton are as good as most and hopefully McComiskey will add to this . the Midfield will pick itself with Ambrose and Dan . But the situation at the back as highlighted in Mourne rover's post is scary. A combination of  Colgan , Rooney , Murphy , Doyle and Doran might find us a half back line but after that I don't who we are looking at .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 16, 2007, 03:19:22 PM
lads, lets not get carried away. there is no danger of down playing div4 football. we were 5 mins away from beating monaghan in newry who went on to scare the live out of the all ireland winners! lets not go with the doom and gloom. as for suggestions to change management teams again is a fkn joke.

i think ross/dj know this year is make or break and they will set their stall out accordingly for the national league. a run in the qualifiers is a bonus. with a promotion, we should be looking at 2009 as a resurgence year incorporating some of the recent underage stars into the set up......give the mgt team a chance; one year is not enough for anyone!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on October 16, 2007, 05:36:41 PM
Well said goldenyears, it seems people are not prepared to given any management team a chance! The current crop have not delivered for whatever reason, personally i believe that the one thing that they will receive is a kick up the arse from DJ and Ross- if that means dropping players then so be it! Fair play to them for tackling the problem of Pride in your county jersey!

At the end of the day it is down to hard work and a will to win, if individuals dont posess these qualities which were in large quantities in the early 90s then there is not much that can be done! For DJ and Ross to find new county players they have to play them which will mean dropping established players from time to time which will cause uproar. On the flip side if these new players in the squad are not played then the same will happen. It is a difficult situation the management team are faced with especially given the tradition we have and the lack of success at senior level! One thing is for sure any turnaround will not happen after a year, it could take the three years when alot of the younger players in the squad will be ready.

Down pushed Monaghan all the way in the summer- a team which is now rated very highly, we got the worst draw possible in the championship next year but at least it will be an indicator for our county. Hopefully Doyle will be fresh and ready to go again this year- could be a massive boost.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ExiledGael on October 16, 2007, 07:02:17 PM
Have Carr and DJ named a panel yet, Martin McHugh is giving out stink in the star that Mickey Walsh has been ommitted from the Down squad.
Agree with some posters that Down have talent there, but lack the cutting edge and ruthless attitude needed in the Championship these days. Partly due to their own arrogance from the past i think the players today refuse to accept all teams nowadays need to adopt the new styles of defending from the front and funnelling men back behind the ball when not in possession. I think it drastically sells their defenders short. Down need to get back to basics as another poster side and work on the ugly side of the game, as even Kerry had to accept in recent years. The game has changed and the Down players need to catch up. The talent is there, the management has to be responsible for moulding them into a team that can compete in modern football. The ugly side of their game is the part that has cost them in recent years, that dirty desire to win at all costs is not there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ExiledGael on October 16, 2007, 07:34:37 PM
Not sure. If he is it proves McHugh is as inaccurate as always
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on October 16, 2007, 08:14:45 PM
totally agree with alot of the recent posts that there is plenty of talent in the county and that ross and dj should be given a bit of time and space to exercise there skills with the panel. As for the Michael Walsh situation im sure he will be in over time as i hear college commitments are the stumbling block at the minute. Who will replace mickey mcveigh will be a major problem i think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on October 16, 2007, 09:01:34 PM
hi guys can some off you legal eagles answear a question for me. As you know we got 2 players sent of in the junior champioship final, both players got handed 4 week bans which would mean the ban will be up on Sunday 28th October but i have been informed that they will be not be available to play in the 1st round of the Ulster Championship can anyone inform me why this is?

regards 

mo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on October 16, 2007, 09:08:59 PM
Live Horse and you will get grass.. thats the philosophy being expounded by Goldenyears and RedandBlack. Just continue to plod along and things will come right eventually. Well things dont just happen, they have to be made happen. Wheres the evidence that anything different to the old ,tired ,failed recipe is being tried. Just read the previous posts, discussion re. the possible return of Walsh and Doyle, the former who has never performed well for Down and the latter who due to an accumalation of injuries is long past his sell by date. Wheres the demands for proper coaching of our defenders, who at club and county level within Down play with the tactical awareness of an under16 team, and i am probably being unfair to under 16s in saying that. Down football at Club and County level is in a serious state of decline, and refusal to acknowledge that problem will hasten the decline further. The Co. Board are failing to address the issue, and i have seen enough of Ross and DJ to convince me that they dont have what it takes. Like Goldenyears and RedandBlack they will continue to plod hopefully along without a vision, strategy or roadmap, hoping that their panel will suddenly develop talent,awareness and fighting spirit, after all arent they excellent motivators. Newsflash lads, the Co.Player who needs to be motivated should not be there in the first place, they are a waste of time and a Jersey, and we have too many wasters currently posing as Co.Players. Whose fault is that Ross and DJ,  enough said
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on October 16, 2007, 09:34:22 PM
Whats your solution then pangurban? Plant a player tree somewhere? Incase you didnt notice the standard of our championship was poor this year......it is a well known fact that the players are not there at present! What do you want the management to do? Rush young blood in and end up in the same shite we are currently in with the crew of 99 in a few years time? Reality is alot of that team have not made good enough inter county footballers while there has been little else around the county to pick from! What more do you want from the management to be fair? The trawled the county twice over looking for possible players. Ross and Dj are damned if they pick certain players and damned if they dont!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on October 16, 2007, 10:14:13 PM
Agree that the pool of talent within the County is very limited at present. My gripe is that nothing is being done to raise the standard.As for Ross and Dj, it is not so much their selections, as their failure to make the best use of what they have available. How often over the past season have we seen players run around like headless Chickens, devoid of any strategy or game-plan. How many winnable games were lost through bad or no decision making on the line. Do they even yet know, what their best team is or how they want to play. I wont even mention the subject of discipline, but their is ample evidence available of their inability or unwillingness to enforce it. You are quite right when you say that a change of management alone will not improve things, but iit will provide a kick start  and an impetus. when you are on the wrong road you turn back and try to find the right road, proceeding hopefully on is futile
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 17, 2007, 08:39:55 AM
lads, it doesnt say much for football in Down when Ross Carr is the best player on the pitch when Clonduff beat Burren in the PRFC Final on Saturday! He scored 7 points and kicked some glorious freekicks in the porcess! Sure any up and coming young lad should be cutting it at this level at least then you say a 42 year old stealing the show!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 17, 2007, 09:51:10 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 17, 2007, 08:39:55 AM
lads, it doesnt say much for football in Down when Ross Carr is the best player on the pitch when Clonduff beat Burren in the PRFC Final on Saturday! He scored 7 points and kicked some glorious freekicks in the porcess! Sure any up and coming young lad should be cutting it at this level at least then you say a 42 year old stealing the show!

I should probably have put this post on the burnout thread,but your reference to Ross Carr's recent performance,got me thinking about "burnout".

Whereas I have respect for those that are trying to reduce pressure on our younger players,there is a danger that this burnout issue can be used as a cop-out for less motivated players.

I remember Ross Carr playing for Clonduff seniors while still a minor,and he has played county minor,under 21 and senior.He has also been committed to many other aspects of GAA at club and county level.Currently he still plays- for Down masters and Clonduff at 43 years of age.Similarly Mickey Linden,DJ Kane,Brendan McKernan,Peter Withnell and Enda Gormley-All-Ireland winners who have played an enormous amount of football from their minor days.The Downeys and McGurks of Lavey played club,colleges,county hurling and football  and yet are still playing for Derry over 40s......so much for BURNOUT!

GAA for county players takes an enormous amount of committment-and there's no way round that.There is a danger that an overemphasis on "Burnout" ,will prevent players making the necessary committment to become All-Ireland winners.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DMarsden on October 17, 2007, 10:35:12 AM
Having watched a lot of the down championship this year i have to say it was poor fare lads. it really is the case that the best players in the county are already on the squad. this trawling of the county looking for nuggets is a nonsense. Boylan got a couple of junior players who'd never played county football before such as harnon, but these were guys with physique who stood out while playing for their club. undscovered gems don't exist any more in this day and age, if the county management are watching club football. managers lov the thought of plucking the next bomber liston from obscurity but its pie in the sky stuff.

by now ross and dj know their players, what they can do and what their capacity to improve is. they need to identify who is good enough to make it at county level and who isn't, and that is your panel. if there are 30 men willing and more imporantly able then great. if there are only 22 then you have a panel of 22. get out onto the training field and start coaching, cajoling and improving these lads to mould a team with a defined gameplan ready to go for the national league. they need to play together as often as possible to develop as a unit. that is the only way to have a team which is more than the sum of its parts, which is what down have to achieve.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 17, 2007, 02:17:20 PM
guys, heard a rumour today that Mitchels are appealling to the county board about something in the aftermath of Drumgath's appeal being upheld by the Ulster Council!! has any body from Newry direction heard anything about this through the grapevine?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on October 17, 2007, 06:38:23 PM
Quote from: boscomo on October 16, 2007, 09:01:34 PM
hi guys can some off you legal eagles answear a question for me. As you know we got 2 players sent of in the junior champioship final, both players got handed 4 week bans which would mean the ban will be up on Sunday 28th October but i have been informed that they will be not be available to play in the 1st round of the Ulster Championship can anyone inform me why this is?

regards 

mo

Boscomo, I think there was a rule recently introduced where suspended players have to miss at least one match as a result of the suspension, possibly in the competition the sending off took place.  I'm not sure exactly how it works but if it is the case then your suspended players will miss the next match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 17, 2007, 11:42:52 PM
Just a couple of points in response to recent posts. No one should  be talking about a change of management before the season has even started. We are all hoping for promotion, a decent show against Tyrone in the championship and a good run in the qualifiers, and we want to see some younger faces being given their chance along the way. Ross and DJ are well capable of achieving this, and deserve our support in the process.

If, eight months from now, we are still outside the top two divisions and yet again we do not survive the first round of both the Ulster championship and the open draw, serious questions will need to be answered. Our managers knew all this when they took on the job, and they will have to take praise and criticism in their stride. Reasonable results will give them a third term, and poor defeats will not.

They are entitled to look for alternatives to Michael Walsh, as he is a talented player, who has been unlucky with injuries, and has only rarely produced his minor and club form at senior county level. I would not write him off yet, but Liam Doyle is in a different category. He has produced the goods on a more regular basis when fit, even when arguably out of postion, and he is still our best bet as a captain - particulary if he is given the entire league in the half-back line.

Finally, we should not get carried away with running Monaghan close at the start of their impressive summer. There were some dodgy decisions throughout the game in Newry, but, when it really counted in the last five minutes, they blitzed us. We have a long way to go, and we will start 2008 as, at best, seventh out of nine in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 18, 2007, 09:15:28 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on October 17, 2007, 11:53:22 PM
Ross Carr was my first choice as Down manager and remains so, but the thing I just cant work out is how does a team sent out by Ross and DJ Kane (DJ being one of the most passionate people I know) go out and give such lifeless performances???
Yes they were within 5 minutes of beating what turned out to be the team of the Championship, Monaghan, but Championship football can be won or lost in the last couple of minutes and even though we were a few points up with 10 minutes to go we never looked like closing the game out. Then we had Meath in Newry in the qualifiers, that was every bit as bad as Sligo last year. They just werent interested, they were beaten long before they took to the field. Meath didnt beat Down that saturday evening, they didnt have to. Down beat themselves.


I dont think Monaghan were team of the Championship - the winners Kerry were in my book with Monaghan the surprise package you get every other year ie; Fermanagh/Sligo/Derry in recent times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 18, 2007, 09:31:18 AM
Kilcoo beat Burren last night in the semi final of the league 2.12 - 1.13. The game went to extra time at 1.09 each, Aidan McGivern goaled for Burren in the last minute and they then went a point up only for Kilcoo to get the draw at the very death.
Laverty won 3 dodgy frees for kilcoo during injury time, while Kevin McKernan was without doubt the star of the show kicking 9 points from all over the pitch and you can add him to the Down forward line for the championship - on this performance he will be a nailed starter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 18, 2007, 09:41:49 AM
Any word on whether Martin Clarke will be allowed to play for the Kingdom tonight inthe playoffs?  It would be great if he is able to play.  It might not be much fun for our defence.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 18, 2007, 10:13:07 AM
Let me know if you find out Aidan. It would be worth going along to see him alone.....just to see what Tyrone will be missing next year!!!! Have you managed to get your boys off the drink long enough to think about this game!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 18, 2007, 10:41:25 AM
Yeah we had everyone at training on Tuesday night.  Well some of them in body at least!  Tonights game probably couldn't have come at a better time for us as it focus' minds back on the job in hand. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 18, 2007, 01:10:04 PM
He was training with the team in Newcastle last week for the game tonight. Seems well 'bulked up' from his aussie training. A few Kingdom lads at work told me he would be playing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 18, 2007, 01:41:42 PM
any word about wee james stepping down as manager of burren last night??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 18, 2007, 01:44:16 PM
Yeah, he announced it on the pitch-side microphone after the match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 18, 2007, 02:04:44 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 18, 2007, 01:44:16 PM
Yeah, he announced it on the pitch-side microphone after the match.

Thats a little bit of a strange way to step down.  Was this all arranged beforehand or did he just grap hold of the mic and start takling?

I'd say James' services will be in big demand from lots of clubs across Ulster.  Maybe the scare he had against the Stone might make him consider taking her handy for a while
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 18, 2007, 05:02:30 PM
Apparently he asked the pa man for the microphone and thanked everybody for their time - he said he was thinking off playing again though, yeah very strange indeed it was.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 18, 2007, 07:44:20 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 18, 2007, 05:02:30 PM
Apparently he asked the pa man for the microphone and thanked everybody for their time - he said he was thinking off playing again though, yeah very strange indeed it was.

If his back isn't too bad why wouldn't he, there's a brave few boys older than him still playing and a whole lot more with a lot less ability. I'd say he'd be an asset to the Burren seniors if he gave it a good shot. 

No amount of managing, coaching or cribbing from the top of the bank beats playing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on October 18, 2007, 08:55:39 PM
Half time score in tonights semifinal

An Riocht 0-10   Mayobridge 0-7

Martin Clarke started for An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 18, 2007, 09:00:18 PM
Any word on how he's playing Torgael?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on October 18, 2007, 09:18:04 PM
Sadly im not at the game [leg in plaster] but il find out how he played later
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on October 18, 2007, 10:25:59 PM
Dead on boy, cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 18, 2007, 11:10:17 PM
Has anyone got a result/report from Newcastle tonight ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on October 18, 2007, 11:21:26 PM
Last i heard [about halfway through the 2nd half] was that an riocht were leading 17-8.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 18, 2007, 11:24:05 PM
AN Riocht 0 18 Mayobridge 0.9  result
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KIDDO on October 18, 2007, 11:45:04 PM
Poor reflection on the back up that mayobridge have, when they had tobring on an injured Benny Coulter , and vetran mickey Linden , among their second half subs .  maybe their poor display is down to the celebrations they have had this week , no doubt their performance will improve for Dromore ,on Nov 4th.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 18, 2007, 11:47:53 PM
Kiddo ye,re keen as mustard if you travelled to that game from tyrone.

How did Mr Clarke play?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 19, 2007, 08:20:06 AM
Mr (John) Clarke was immense at full forward, pity for the county hes taking a year, any ball that came in he won and must of kicked 5 or 6 from play as well as being involved in most of the good things an riocht did attacking wise. Martin Clarke was quite good too although his finishing wasnt up to his big brother's display he was creating and showed he still has it upstairs. Should be an interesting final between them and kilcoo, two teams that like to move the ball and play an attractive brand of footballl.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on October 19, 2007, 08:43:48 AM
Id agree with Dundrumite, thought that John Clarke was superb last night! Well taken scores and very strong. Marty didnt touch the ball for the first 10 mins but every time he got on the ball he looked very strong and his passing and vision are 2nd to none. He showed great bursts of speed to score his point from play. Was also impressed by that lad James Cunningham in midfield. He's full of running and loves to attack the opposition. Colgan was also good last night aswell, won most things that came his way. Should be a good final but heard a rumor that 10 Kilcoo players are being suspended as a result of being thrown out of the Castlewellan 7's for fighting with Moy. Any1 else hear this rumor??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 19, 2007, 09:04:51 AM
Yeah, the Daily Mirror has touched on this Kilcoo 'ten' story this morning - wouldnt it be a real pity if they did lose players!
John Clarke was immense as was Martin and the amount of breaks he won was high.
Cunningham has a great engine and Colgan must start for the county when available
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 19, 2007, 09:12:00 AM
Parallels can be drawn between the respective stars of the two semi-finals:

- Both are natural wing-forwards
- Both are superbly accurate from distance
- Neither ever plays defence for their club team
- Yet for some reason, there is no end of Down supporters who think they should both play in the back line

I hope young McKernan doesn't waste 5+ years being a plug in the hole for Down's back line like Clarke has.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 19, 2007, 09:27:23 AM
We can have no excuses for last night we just weren't at the races or even close.  The Kingdom played the sort of football we play when we are at our best!  I had a bad feeling when the Kingdom offered a guard of honour, just knew they were really going to go at us.  We have a lot of hard work to do before Dromore.  We will have a lot of players back before that game and on last nights performance we will need them badly.  The dromore mananger in the crowd must have been thinking the Bridge were playing in the green white and gold!

John Clarke stole the show last night hitting 5 points from play.  Martin Clarke was quiet enough, any time he got on the ball he didn't waste it.  His vision and movement is unreal.  The BBC had cameras at the game so I'd be expecting a bit of coverage on tonights newline. 

The final should be a good game next Friday night, Kilcoo will be favourites and will put up a much tougher challenge than we did last night.  The Kingdom played some of the best football I've seen all season and if they can repeat last nights performance will be hard stopped.  Is still slightly fancy Kilcoo.  Its seems a bit far fetched that 10 Kilcoo players could get suspended from the row at the Castlewellan 7's. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 19, 2007, 01:19:06 PM
St Paul's regarding the mitchels situation my contacts within the mitchels have appealed their relegation as a result of drumgath's winning appeal because they played their game against yourselves under the initial belief that it was a three way playoff and would have another match in order to survive. They want the st paul's match replayed as a one off game with the winner staying up. To be fair I think they have a point and if it was my club I know we would have done the same!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 19, 2007, 01:51:30 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 19, 2007, 01:19:06 PM
St Paul's regarding the mitchels situation my contacts within the mitchels have appealed their relegation as a result of drumgath's winning appeal because they played their game against yourselves under the initial belief that it was a three way playoff and would have another match in order to survive. They want the st paul's match replayed as a one off game with the winner staying up. To be fair I think they have a point and if it was my club I know we would have done the same!

You must be trying to wind up the St Paul's posters, because you cannot be seriously advocating the St Paul's should be forced to re-play a match they have already won fair and square. What you are in effect saying is the Mitchell's players played St Paul's with ther handbrake on because they knew they had another chance against Drumgath. That makes no sense. With all due respect to St Paul's, Drumgath on their day are a far more potent team and I can't believe Mitchells thought, right lads, don't worry to much about this match against St Paul's we will always beat Drumgath in the next round. Surely Mitchels would have viewed the St Pauls match as their best bet for survival.

That is not to say Mitchells do not have a legitamate gripe but St Pauls won that match fair and square and whilst the debacle will have to be sorted out, at the very least this result will stand. In any event, the county board would not have the power to order a replay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 19, 2007, 02:05:12 PM
and that is exactly what we have been told, that we do not have to reply the match, that we cannot be made to replay the match and the result would stand. initially we were told that we were playing a straight knock out comp, and if we were to beat Mitchels that was it, with the losers going on to play Drumgath, which is why we trained flat out in the weeks coming up to the Mitchels game as we knew it would probably be our best chance of getting 2 points. Personally, I don't think Mitchels would have went out with that attitude but if they did, it is going to do them harm now.

Minus, you said that they are appealing the decision to relegate them, I can only assume that the CB told them that they were down to division 4 due to Drumgath winning their appeal?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 19, 2007, 03:47:04 PM
st pauls i do not know if the county board has notified mitchels of their relegation or not. I think that everyone has just sort of assumed that mitchels would be relegated as a result of drumgath's successful appeal! You say that you were told that winner stays up in your match against mitchels. This is only the case if mitchels go on to lose against drumgath. The playoff system for division 3 is like division two-a round robin series of games which each team facing eachother once. As was the case in the div 2 relegation playoffs this year warrenpoint, banbridge and glassdrumman each won a game each and therefore they faced each other again.
Blue island i didnt mean that mitchels went out taking it easy against st pauls but after the stpauls game they were in a position where they still had a chance of staying up. That chance has been taken away from them.
Although the case has been settled now and drumgath have stayed up you dont see any arguments with regards top 4. It states in the yet to be updated bylaws that it is top 3 in playoffs for promotion yet common sense has allowed there to be four teams. Surely drumgath should have allowed common sense to prevail and just played and most likely beaten mitchels in their playoff game but fair play to them. Its likely to go on for a while yet before we here the end of this anyway!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 19, 2007, 03:56:34 PM
Minus, we now know that that was the situation, but when we first asked about the playoffs, when we had actually got enough points to go in to them, the way the response was worded made it sound like that if we beat the mitchels, we were safe!! no matter what, we still went out with the attitude that we had to win every game to try and stay up, and the Mitchels should have been playing with the same attitude!!

Either way, it could be next January before we know what is going to happen, just have to wait and see what the outcome of Mitchel's appeal is!! It is a horrible way to have to go down, and I am sympathetic to the Mitchels, but as Blue Island said, we beat them fair and square, and the result should stand!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 19, 2007, 04:11:44 PM
Yes i suppose so but such is the damage that relegation to div 4 can do then while there is a slim chance they will try. In the meantime are St. Paul's training away?
On a different note how has gerry quinn done for you this year? Dont know if you're a playing member but if you are what did you think?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 19, 2007, 04:50:19 PM
we haven't trained since the week that Drumgath and Mitchels were supposed to play, a lot of the fellas that week didn't go, and we thought it would be best not to train anymore, cause it was hard enough to get players to come during the year, let alone when we didn't even know what was happening with this situation. If we were still training, it could be January when we know anything and by that stage, pre-season would be starting again.

Personal opinions aside, I don't think Gerry has done us much good this year, his training methods were pretty good, but as a man manager, motivator and decision maker, I think he is lacking in these areas! A lot of times during games, our game plan wasn't working or a man was having a bad time of it, but Gerry did nothing about it, either he didn't see what was happening, or decided to do nothing about it, but either way, it didn't do our campaign any good!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on October 19, 2007, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: stpauls on October 19, 2007, 03:56:34 PM
Minus, we now know that that was the situation, but when we first asked about the playoffs, when we had actually got enough points to go in to them, the way the response was worded made it sound like that if we beat the mitchels, we were safe!!

What an almost  predictable mess this has ended up being. I think its unfortunate for Mitchels that they've been messed about with possible mixed messages on the playoff status (as most of us weren't clear either) but its hard to see how they can argue for a replay.

I wonder through all this if Teconnaught are squirming uncomfortably as a result of their no-show for the final game that ended up setting up a playoff in the first place!!

On the league restructuring - is there a chance that the CB would try to roll in a 3 division league for 2008 rather than waiting a year(from vote in November) in order to cover some of the embarrassment around the Div 3 situation. I'd guess a lot more people would react if that were to happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 19, 2007, 07:01:29 PM
Quote from: Statto-Gael on October 19, 2007, 05:34:40 PM
I wonder through all this if Teconnaught are squirming uncomfortably as a result of their no-show for the final game that ended up setting up a playoff in the first place!!

It might just come back to bite them in the ass later when this debacle is all done and dusted!!

Quote from: Statto-Gael on October 19, 2007, 05:34:40 PM
On the league restructuring - is there a chance that the CB would try to roll in a 3 division league for 2008 rather than waiting a year(from vote in November) in order to cover some of the embarrassment around the Div 3 situation. I'd guess a lot more people would react if that were to happen.

You know, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 19, 2007, 08:45:43 PM
John Hurley (Dundrum) has been called up to the Down Senior squad by Ross Carr.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on October 19, 2007, 09:37:33 PM
Quote from: stpauls on October 19, 2007, 07:01:29 PM
Quote from: Statto-Gael on October 19, 2007, 05:34:40 PM
I wonder through all this if Teconnaught are squirming uncomfortably as a result of their no-show for the final game that ended up setting up a playoff in the first place!!

It might just come back to bite them in the ass later when this debacle is all done and dusted!!

Quote from: Statto-Gael on October 19, 2007, 05:34:40 PM
On the league restructuring - is there a chance that the CB would try to roll in a 3 division league for 2008 rather than waiting a year(from vote in November) in order to cover some of the embarrassment around the Div 3 situation. I'd guess a lot more people would react if that were to happen.

You know, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on October 19, 2007, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: upthehoops on October 19, 2007, 09:37:33 PM
Quote from: stpauls on October 19, 2007, 07:01:29 PM
Quote from: Statto-Gael on October 19, 2007, 05:34:40 PM
I wonder through all this if Teconnaught are squirming uncomfortably as a result of their no-show for the final game that ended up setting up a playoff in the first place!!

It might just come back to bite them in the ass later when this debacle is all done and dusted!!

Quote from: Statto-Gael on October 19, 2007, 05:34:40 PM
On the league restructuring - is there a chance that the CB would try to roll in a 3 division league for 2008 rather than waiting a year(from vote in November) in order to cover some of the embarrassment around the Div 3 situation. I'd guess a lot more people would react if that were to happen.

You know, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest!

This cannot happen as the only options on the table are the one circulated last month or the staus quo. No new options will be considered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 20, 2007, 02:31:18 PM
Going on this years final League positions here will be the teams competing in the various Championships for 2008.

Senior
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Burren
An Riocht
Longstone
Rostrevor
Clonduff
Castlewellan
Bryansford
Loughinisland
Liatroim
Atticall
Saval
Ballyholland
Downpatrick
Ballymartin

Intermediate
Annaclone
Kilclief
Darragh Cross
Shamrocks
Warrenpoint
Banbridge
Glasdrumman
Carryduff
Tullylish
Saul
Dundrum
Bredagh
Bosco
Teconnaught
Ardglass
Glenn

Junior
Drumgath
Mitchels
St Pauls
Bright
Drumaness
Aghaderg
St Michaels
St Johns
Dromara
Ballykinlar
Aughlisnafin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 20, 2007, 03:51:37 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 20, 2007, 02:31:18 PM
Going on this years final League positions here will be the teams competing in the various Championships for 2008.

Junior
Drumgath
Mitchels
St Pauls
Bright
Drumaness
Aghaderg
St Michaels
St Johns
Dromara
Ballykinlar
Aughlisnafin

DF, would Drumgath drop from Senior to Junior in just one season, can that happen?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on October 20, 2007, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 19, 2007, 08:45:43 PM
John Hurley (Dundrum) has been called up to the Down Senior squad by Ross Carr.

Congratulations to John.  Not sure if this is good news or bad news about the state of Down Football though :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on October 20, 2007, 10:16:07 PM
Good luck Ballycran & Bredagh - Down's representatives in the Ulster championships tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on October 21, 2007, 01:39:18 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on October 20, 2007, 07:42:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 19, 2007, 08:45:43 PM
John Hurley (Dundrum) has been called up to the Down Senior squad by Ross Carr.

Congratulations to John.  Not sure if this is good news or bad news about the state of Down Football though :-\

Who is he and what position does he play?  Judging by the number of players from lower divisions on the county panel it shows that division 1 in down must be poor!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on October 21, 2007, 02:25:21 PM
anyone know results from yesterday seconds games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 21, 2007, 07:02:32 PM
Bredagh drew today,

Bredagh 0-12 to 2-6 Setanta
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 21, 2007, 07:57:17 PM
any word on how the div2 final and relegation play off went?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on October 21, 2007, 08:59:53 PM
Saval won by 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on October 22, 2007, 08:27:28 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 21, 2007, 07:02:32 PM
Bredagh drew today,

Bredagh 0-12 to 2-6 Setanta

Well done Bredagh in the ulster semi. Setanta are a very strong side. Who was the better team on the day? Good luck for the replay. Pity about Ballycran but I always thought they'd missed the chance in the first game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 22, 2007, 10:00:11 AM
Glasdrumman and Banbridge drew in the Division 2 Relegation playoff and it looks like they'll have to go at it again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 22, 2007, 11:07:27 AM
If you don't hate the Bridge and have 10 mins to spare check out the highlights of our season so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CO1hgWXcfk

P.S. I do know how to spell believing.  Raging I missed it.  :(


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 22, 2007, 11:18:07 AM
Dan Gordan is the Down captain for the year.  Ronan Sexton is vice captain.  Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 22, 2007, 11:40:57 AM
Been reading lots of posters and newspapers saying that Longstone is a young side and will be back provide strong challenge to Bridge next year.
If you look at Final's match programme, the Bridge average age is 24.5 while the Stone is 24.8. Bridge are a younger side than Stone.
Think Div 2 side Bryansford and Rostrevor with new manager will be threat to Bridge 5 in a row
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 22, 2007, 11:58:30 AM
Umpire – I have seen enough from the Stone this season to suggest they will be serious contenders next season again.  Kilcoo will be there or there abouts as well.  I had the Ford down as contenders this year but playing out of division 2 next year will take the edge off them. They need to sort out whatever problems they have that caused their relegation, from what I saw of them they were too good to go down.  I was really impressed with the Kingdom the other night but I don't know how much of their performance was down to us playing crap.  I'll reserve judgment on them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 22, 2007, 12:09:49 PM
amallon your correct in your assumptions on the captain & vice captain for county panel afaik
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on October 22, 2007, 12:31:29 PM
Think Dan will do well as Capt. Thought  Rooney coming  straight into the team as Capt. was strange to say the least .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 22, 2007, 01:22:54 PM
Quote from: amallon on October 22, 2007, 11:07:27 AM
If you don't hate the Bridge and have 10 mins to spare check out the highlights of our season so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CO1hgWXcfk

P.S. I do know how to spell believing.  Raging I missed it.  :(




Didnt see the Kingdom performance on it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 22, 2007, 03:31:54 PM
spirit - I was wondering how long it would be before someone brought that up.  The Kingdom performance would have turned the video into a horror show!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 22, 2007, 06:38:12 PM
The bridge X factor video is quality stuff, near wet myself!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 22, 2007, 07:13:07 PM
Whats the craic with the Kilcoo boys, are they playing on Friday night? I heard that they are refusing to field due to the 10 being suspended?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 22, 2007, 09:11:23 PM
Quote from: southdown on October 22, 2007, 06:38:12 PM
The bridge X factor video is quality stuff, near wet myself!

The young lad O'Hare dancing while delirious was even better!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 23, 2007, 11:27:43 AM
Bit of a nut job that O'Hare lad if you ask me!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 23, 2007, 01:46:38 PM
you  think thats bad mallon, wait to you see my interviews from gormans on saturday night... a few ballyholland lads got ripped out by a few of our locals
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 23, 2007, 02:17:06 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 23, 2007, 01:46:38 PM
you  think thats bad mallon, wait to you see my interviews from gormans on saturday night... a few ballyholland lads got ripped out by a few of our locals

Good job that there were no Kilcoo boyz there then!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 23, 2007, 02:23:14 PM
and why is that spirit.. i really think who have a small affection with the bridge.. you seem to know an awful lot about us
go on admit you will support us nesxt year in  DIV 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 23, 2007, 03:43:56 PM
what ballyholland lads got ripped out TOH
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on October 23, 2007, 03:48:14 PM
What does 'ripped out' mean?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 23, 2007, 04:41:15 PM
slagged off, got the piss taken out of them, etc etc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 24, 2007, 10:41:10 AM
I didn't see the Irish News yesterday. Is the Div 1 final still in Newcastle of Friday night?
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 24, 2007, 10:46:50 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 24, 2007, 10:41:10 AM
I didn't see the Irish News yesterday. Is the Div 1 final still in Newcastle of Friday night?

Nope its in Newry. Official switch on of the lights.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 24, 2007, 10:53:06 AM
Thanks 5 Sams. What time?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on October 24, 2007, 11:12:07 AM
8pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 24, 2007, 12:29:00 PM
Is that Div match still on? Thought that Kilcoo had threatned to pull out due to the 10 suspended players.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on October 24, 2007, 01:03:03 PM
Ulster CCC will announce outcome of investigation tonight. Both teams could face having 10 men banned. The League final will be a farce if Kilcoo have to field a reserve team. An Riocht should offer to postpone the match until after the bans are served.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 24, 2007, 01:18:47 PM
Quote from: Bacon on October 24, 2007, 01:03:03 PM
Ulster CCC will announce outcome of investigation tonight. Both teams could face having 10 men banned. The League final will be a farce if Kilcoo have to field a reserve team. An Riocht should offer to postpone the match until after the bans are served.

Yeah right, might An Riocht will play the match without the Clarke's to even the teams up a bit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 24, 2007, 01:39:18 PM
Congrats to Kilcoo - getting 10 players suspended from a 7-a-side match is some record.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 24, 2007, 03:45:59 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 24, 2007, 12:29:00 PM
Is that Div match still on? Thought that Kilcoo had threatned to pull out due to the 10 suspended players.



I cant see them getting away with that, the rules are set and they did behave like animals that day and all them were involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on October 25, 2007, 10:06:28 AM
 Kilcoo,Castlwellan, Leitrim and Bryansford are searching
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 25, 2007, 10:25:48 AM
Eamonn Burns wont be leaving Bryansford and by all accounts Bryansford wont be leaving Eamonn Burns - he is not a man to walk away and will want to return them to Div One next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 25, 2007, 10:46:11 AM
What happened Kilcoo boys at Ulster Council last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 25, 2007, 12:35:54 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 25, 2007, 10:25:48 AM
Eamonn Burns wont be leaving Bryansford and by all accounts Bryansford wont be leaving Eamonn Burns - he is not a man to walk away and will want to return them to Div One next year.

An absolute gent of a man and certainly not a man to walk away. Rumours were doing the rounds that he wasn't getting the full backing by the Ford assistants and his position was unfairly undermined as a consequence. Maybe just rumours but perhaps you know the score? It would explain some of the reasons for Bryansfords poor form at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 25, 2007, 01:09:56 PM
I think the problem lay with the fact we got sucked in to a bottom three scenario and were not prepared for it as we were in top 4 position for all but the last 3 weeks of the league, although the players knew the pressure they under performed and ended up relegated. The players have alot to answer for and any team that fails like they did need a good wake up call. Eamonn will return with a new panel to division and rest assured all the 'chaff' will be gone from this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 25, 2007, 02:54:33 PM
heard a rumour there recently that Joe Kernan was in for the Burren job or had at least been asked about it.
Dont shoot the messenger and all that jazz.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Doire abú on October 25, 2007, 05:31:00 PM
is that Éamonn Burns from Ballinascreen and Derry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 25, 2007, 09:01:39 PM
One for trivia fans - in the legendary game at Celtic Park in 1994, Eamon Burns of Down marked Eamonn Burns of Derry. Something similar happened in the open draw game between the same teams at Newry in 2005, with two Paul Murphys in close opposition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 25, 2007, 09:36:25 PM
Facts and figures , Rover the stato !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on October 26, 2007, 09:35:30 AM
  It's a pity we didn't have someone in Down called Paddy Bradley and could maybe play like him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 26, 2007, 11:25:28 PM
How did the league final end up tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 26, 2007, 11:38:34 PM
Kingdom won by 3,John Clarke was very harshly red carded at the end of the first half, kilcoo went in 3 up @ half time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 27, 2007, 10:34:44 AM
Excellent game under the fantastic new floodlights, two fabulous goals from Martin Clarke who was constantly marked by two Kilcoo players. In doing this Kilcoo walked straight into Pete Mc Grath's clever tactics by isolating Clarke up front when they went down to 14 men - totally negatived Kilcoo's extra man and bottled up the rest of the field. Other great performances from John Clarke in first half - sent off just before half time after scoring an immense point and retaliating to some strong tackling - James Cunningham Joe Mc Veigh and Killen for An Riocht, Gerdy Mc Evoy, S Kelly and P Greenan for Kilcoo. Good refereeing show and all round advert for good clean Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on October 27, 2007, 04:04:41 PM
I bet anyone would struggle to name five decent referees in Down at the minute.  We have some real clowns taking charge of games and they really are ruining them for players and spectators.  I wasn't at the game last night but believe that John Clarke got some serious attention off the ball (like most forwards the Kilcoo defence have played against).  He retaliated and was caught - where is the justice in that?

Looking forward to the piece on Martin Clarke.  It shouldn't be part of a show but a programme in itself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 27, 2007, 07:33:48 PM
Quote from: imagine on October 25, 2007, 10:06:28 AM
Kilcoo,Castlwellan, Leitrim and Bryansford are searching

i hear Tullylish are looking as well, as from Monday past!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on October 27, 2007, 07:56:37 PM
Quote from: stpauls on October 27, 2007, 07:33:48 PM
Quote from: imagine on October 25, 2007, 10:06:28 AM
Kilcoo,Castlwellan, Leitrim and Bryansford are searching

i hear Tullylish are looking as well, as from Monday past!

Kevin Blaney has only been there for a year.  While they led for most of the year, the could have been overtaken if Saul had beaten them.  I would have thought he would have stayed on?  You sure about this, stpauls?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 27, 2007, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: Leo on October 27, 2007, 10:34:44 AM
Good refereeing show and all round advert for good clean Down football.

after some of the performances i have witnessed this year i didnt think such a thing existed anymore!

Leo, would you be Leo Smyth by any chance?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on October 27, 2007, 08:13:27 PM
Your probably right, BTW because the real Leo probably is that stupid to have this as his username.  Dumb
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on October 28, 2007, 10:26:39 AM
refs need to use a little common sense played a game recently brendy rice from the point was the ref he talked to the players the whole way through the game explaining his decisions they were not always right but the players excepted them plus the players could talk to him without fear of getting the ball moved up.it seemsthat refs dont answer to anyone something has to be done.i think this is the main reason down football is the way it is we need a few more brendy rices he is young and it is not that ago he was a player
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on October 28, 2007, 04:41:31 PM
Glasdrumman relegated....didnt hear the final scoreline.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 28, 2007, 05:08:10 PM
Bredagh lost to Setanta in the semi of the Ulster hurling
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on October 28, 2007, 06:58:02 PM
Well done to behind the wire and the Clann an Banna boys! A long hard season and in the past people may have said Banbridge wouldnt have the bottle or temperament for the fight. Annaclone, Banbridge and Tullylish all in Div2 next year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 28, 2007, 07:27:22 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on October 28, 2007, 06:58:02 PM
Well done to behind the wire and the Clann an Banna boys! A long hard season and in the past people may have said Banbridge wouldnt have the bottle or temperament for the fight. Annaclone, Banbridge and Tullylish all in Div2 next year!


should make for a few tasty games there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 28, 2007, 08:07:09 PM
Quote from: Cloc Mor on October 27, 2007, 04:04:41 PM
I bet anyone would struggle to name five decent referees in Down at the minute.  We have some real clowns taking charge of games and they really are ruining them for players and spectators.  I wasn't at the game last night but believe that John Clarke got some serious attention off the ball (like most forwards the Kilcoo defence have played against).  He retaliated and was caught - where is the justice in that?

Looking forward to the piece on Martin Clarke.  It shouldn't be part of a show but a programme in itself.

As you say you were not at the game - I was and I was also only commenbting on the referee in that game. Credit where it is due.
John Clarke was having a great game in his best position (Paddy O'Rourke & Ross Carr take note) and appeared to strike with the fist after he scored a mrvellous point. My reading of the rule book is that this is a red card offence regardlessof how well he was playing. Full credit to An Riocht for their superb (tactically astutre) second half response to that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 28, 2007, 08:12:38 PM
cheers whitehair, delighted to stay up. final score was clann na banna 3.8 Glasdrumman 0.4. after the week we have had in the club it was excellent for the lads to respond with a performance like that.

have to give credit to the ref, seamus o hanlon. although he should have sent one of the glasdrumman players off for a blatent elbow overall he did a good job. thought he was very fair.

glassdrumman tried to play the dirt, as they did when getting hammered by warrenpoint but it didnt work for them. in the end they could have had a couple more seeing red. as a result of the elbow incident mentioned above one of our lads is away to dundonald with a suspected fractured cheekbone.

all in all delighted to stay up, proved alot of people wrong. next season will be good craic with the odd local derby!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 29, 2007, 12:01:21 AM
A poster on the main discussion board has provided what appears to be the full list of NFL 08 fixtures. If it is correct, and it seems to be, this is our programme.

Sat Feb 2, Sligo (h) 7pm.
Sun Feb 17, Louth (a) 2.30pm.
Sun March 2, Wexford (a) 2.30pm.
Sat March 15, Longford (h) 7pm.
Sat March 29, Limerick (h) 7pm.
Sun April 6, Leitrim (a) 2.30pm.
Sun April 13, Fermanagh (h) 2.30pm.

I really hope all these are confirmed, as it would mean we have had a bit of good fortune for a change. Four home games out of seven, including the first and last matches, and Sligo, Longford and Limerick have to make the long journey to us rather than vice versa. Louth and Leitrim are not too bad as far as away trips go, and Wexford is the only extended run. Three of our home games are under floodlights, presumably in Newry, and, if we have any football in us at all, we should be able to make a decent go of this division.

The first match, at home to Sligo, is the crucial one. If we get off the mark, against a provincial championship-winning side, we should go very close to promotion. A defeat would be bad news, but I prefer to think the division three title would be at stake by the time we play Fermanagh.

Let's use the McKenna Cup properly for a change, produce some new defenders and build up some overall confidence for the league. Tyrone may not quite be shaking in their boots, and the open draw remains our best bet, but we have to start somewhere and this divisional set-up might just give us an opportunity.

Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 29, 2007, 10:32:46 AM
Saturday night football.....happy days ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 29, 2007, 11:16:19 AM
Quote from: behind the wire on October 28, 2007, 08:12:38 PM
cheers whitehair, delighted to stay up. final score was clann na banna 3.8 Glasdrumman 0.4. after the week we have had in the club it was excellent for the lads to respond with a performance like that.

have to give credit to the ref, seamus o hanlon. although he should have sent one of the glasdrumman players off for a blatent elbow overall he did a good job. thought he was very fair.

glassdrumman tried to play the dirt, as they did when getting hammered by warrenpoint but it didnt work for them. in the end they could have had a couple more seeing red. as a result of the elbow incident mentioned above one of our lads is away to dundonald with a suspected fractured cheekbone.

all in all delighted to stay up, proved alot of people wrong. next season will be good craic with the odd local derby!

Just to add my congratulations to BTW and Banbridge, no doubt the usual begrudgers who can't see beyond the 'heartland' are less pleased for ye. Looking forward already to Tullylish restoring the natural order next year.  ;)

Like you say BTW a great effort after an awful week, my condolences to both clubs and especially the Family, it's not like they haven't suffered enough already.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 29, 2007, 11:27:21 AM
cheers passedit.  was a definitely a hard week. for paddy to come out and play the way he did was yesterday was amazing.
was good to see a good few tullylish members there yesterday shouting for us, no doubt thinking about the big gates next season!!!

dont know what about the natural order though. the times they are a changin' ya know ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 29, 2007, 11:28:57 AM
Fair play to Clann na Banna on their maintaining their Division 2 status.
Just a thought BTW:Do you feel CNB are underachieving given the size of the town,their relative consistency at underage,and the fact that they have had some cracking footballers over the years.
As an outsider looking in,having played many times against CNB,I think your below par facilities are stifling your progress.In a town with rival sports-rugby,and soccer strong,and a number of rival GAA clubs locally with excellent facilities,surely it is time for CNB to look to provide more attractive facilities-in order for you to meet your massive potential.The county board in their concern over the "crisis "in  the GAA in Downpatrick and Newry ,forget that there is just as much potential in other uban areas such as Banbridge,Carryduff and Bredagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 29, 2007, 11:50:14 AM
6th sam, you have to remember just where clann na banna is situated. our club is situated bang in the middle of the town and receives almost no support from 1) a large proportion of the population and 2) the local authorities. given the political situation it wasnt fashionable to be seen to be invloved in or seen to be supporting a gaa club in the area. for many years the club has survived through the hard work of a few individuals who continue to keep it running til this day. from my own point of view i have seen the club more or less on its knees on a few occasions and for me it was a success in itself to have kept the club in existence.

it is only now with the current political situation that more people are beginning to take an interest in the gaa club, in fact interest in the gaa has never been greater in banbridge. the underage teams u speak of are now beginning to come through, seven or eight of us on the current senior team came out of the same minor team 4 years ago.

as regards the facilities, we built a new clubhouse 3 years ago. the field definitely isnt great, it hampers our own style of play, but with land goin for around £1m an acre i cant see us affording to relocate. help from local council etc in comparison with help given to other sports is basically non existent and any land that may be affordable is in areas of the parish where we wouldnt be particularly welcome.

county board definitely needs to realise the potential around banbridge area, not only ourselves but also other clubs around us. (maybe some of the referees could also accept that we arent a junior club anymore as well) hopefully we can develop a bit more now and try to establish ourselves in the second division.

i definitely see what you are saying 6th sam. potential is definitely there. but keeping the thing running hasnt been easy. its only now that we can hope to develop a wee bit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on October 29, 2007, 01:29:42 PM
BTW What do you make of the current set up in St Marys in regards the Gaelic? I think its essential for clann na banna to have a Timmy Doyle type figure back in the school to maintain a conveyor belt of talent coming through as it was in the 90's. There seemed to be a trend of lads playing school football first and then joining the club, not neccessarily born into the club as would be in GAA strongholds. Looking at the results of the current underage teams they dont seem to be of the same standard of the teams that were there at the beginning of the decade, or maybe im seeing something that isnt there!?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 29, 2007, 03:52:58 PM
Sorry ,I didnt realise you had a clubhouse-it's about 5 years since I was last there.
I realise the difficulties which you have had over the years,and fair play to you for now being in the position  you are.
Given the investment in your clubhouse ,I imagine you would be keen to develop your current pitches--is there scope for cooperation with the school in developing the site?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownHead on October 29, 2007, 04:13:22 PM
Any one hear news of or confirm that shea curren from the 'point is transferin to Dundrum??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 29, 2007, 04:24:49 PM
DownHead, it's the first Ive heard of it and I hear a lot of things. I know he lives in Dundrum. Any notion where this came from? BTW I see your a Longstone man, is Dawson still going to be at the helm next year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 29, 2007, 04:27:38 PM
curran has retired from the point team by all accounts, probably end up playin for someone over that direction.28/29 a bit early to retire so dont be surprised to see him kit out next season again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 29, 2007, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 29, 2007, 04:24:49 PM
DownHead, it's the first Ive heard of it and I hear a lot of things. I know he lives in Dundrum. Any notion where this came from? BTW I see your a Longstone man, is Dawson still going to be at the helm next year?

If he lives in Dundrum ,presumably Loughinisland will be looking to sign him,DF ! ;D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 29, 2007, 04:43:29 PM
More than likely 6th Sam. By the way just when we are on the topic, has anybody heard of any underhand movements in the transfer market regarding Loughinisland? This is usually the time of year they go scouting for potential new recruits.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on October 29, 2007, 05:47:03 PM
Im surprised the Island didnt get Brendan McGourty when they were signing Magic Johnston! Loughinisland is like the gaelic version of Man City at this min in time!!  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 29, 2007, 06:04:16 PM
Quote from: The Corporal on October 29, 2007, 05:47:03 PM
Im surprised the Island didnt get Brendan McGourty when they were signing Magic Johnston! Loughinisland is like the gaelic version of Man City at this min in time!!  :D

I was actually joking about Loughinisland but it appears I have opened a can of worms.

Regarding the Ards players ,why shouldn't Loughinisland lay claim to Magic,any less than Darragh claim McGourty.
They are hurlers keen to play football and as such they should be free to join a football club of their choice-as far as I know that's the rule.

In any event Loughinisland are certainly not the worst offenders in terms of creative transfers/registration.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on October 29, 2007, 06:21:14 PM
Was Magic not with Kilclief previously?  Does he live near Loughinislland?  I suppose this minor detail never stopped any player transferring to Loughinisland before.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 29, 2007, 08:31:39 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 29, 2007, 06:04:16 PM
Quote from: The Corporal on October 29, 2007, 05:47:03 PM
Im surprised the Island didnt get Brendan McGourty when they were signing Magic Johnston! Loughinisland is like the gaelic version of Man City at this min in time!!  :D

I was actually joking about Loughinisland but it appears I have opened a can of worms.

Regarding the Ards players ,why shouldn't Loughinisland lay claim to Magic,any less than Darragh claim McGourty.
They are hurlers keen to play football and as such they should be free to join a football club of their choice-as far as I know that's the rule.

In any event Loughinisland are certainly not the worst offenders in terms of creative transfers/registration.

they can join a football club of their choice, as long as it doesn't have a hurling team. although Darragh Cross may be as bad as the 'Island, sure McGourty was playing and registered with us 10 months ago!

edit: freaky in the week that it is, this is my 666th post. SPOOKY!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 29, 2007, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: Cloc Mor on October 29, 2007, 06:21:14 PM
Was Magic not with Kilclief previously?  Does he live near Loughinislland?  I suppose this minor detail never stopped any player transferring to Loughinisland before.

My understanding is that players who are not provided football  by their own club are entitled to go to any club of their choice.I think  there is  already a precedent in Down on this issue,as the Trainors of Portaferry play Football for Downpatrick ,despite the fact that both Kilclief and Saul are closer to the Ards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on October 29, 2007, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 29, 2007, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: Cloc Mor on October 29, 2007, 06:21:14 PM
Was Magic not with Kilclief previously?  Does he live near Loughinislland?  I suppose this minor detail never stopped any player transferring to Loughinisland before.

My understanding is that players who are not provided football  by their own club are entitled to go to any club of their choice.I think  there is  already a precedent in Down on this issue,as the Trainors of Portaferry play Football for Downpatrick ,despite the fact that both Kilclief and Saul are closer to the Ards.

The Trainors from Portaferry do play for RGU but there is at least a family link there in that their mother is Oakes a sister of Pat ( Phillip ans Karls Dad) and a sister of Ann ( Conor, Gerard and Gregory Deegans mum).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bridge_Sky_Blue on October 29, 2007, 09:26:58 PM
The Down website was recently updated yet they failed to mention one thing about the Bridge winning the championship for the fourth time in a row quite an acheivement i might add .

Then An Riocht wins a league title of very little significance within the county and it gets top biling on the site with photos and not a sight of the Bridge. There were plenty of media people there for the county board i am sure it would not be to difficult to obtain a small photo of the FOUR TIMES REIGNING CHAMPIONS.

I will also add that MAYOBRIDGE represent this county in the ulster championship on sunday but also no mention on the website maybe the senior championships are of no importance to the county board. We are proud of our team and what they have acheived all one has to do is to look at the photo of An Riocht on the front page( and by the way congradulations to them on winning it) to see the joy they got from winning the league title a title.

We wonder if Longstone had won would it be the same and would they have been completly disregarded?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on October 29, 2007, 10:37:38 PM
The league is hardly of "very little significance" is it? IMO An Riocht winning the league title on the back of a division 2 is as big a story as the Bridges 4 in a row. All the best to the Bridge this weekend, a win would be a major boost to the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 29, 2007, 10:39:57 PM
St Pauls
I think you'll find that Brendan Mcgourty played all of his underage football with Darragh Cross.He would then drift away due to hurling commitments.He only went to St Pauls because Kevin Blaney recruited him.He is also very friendly with many of the Darragh Cross players.Its an insult to put Darragh Cross in the same bracket as Loughinisland in terms of poaching players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 30, 2007, 08:24:41 AM
Magic played a couple of football games at minor level for Kilclief and that was it. 

It was explained on here a couple of times how that didn't matter a shite when he was out of minors.  Can't remember the rules though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 30, 2007, 09:21:35 AM
6th sam, as regards development of our fields we dont have much option really. the school is being redeveloped in the next couple of years but i dont think we will be gaining any territorial advantages from it, despite the efforts of alot of people including the parish priest. i think we may have some of our facilities upgraded in turn for giving the school some use of them but by the same token it doesnt solve the problem of needing a bigger pitch. the wee pitch at the top is now fully floodlit which is a big help. its good for training and hosting underage matches at night. p.s. if you hear of any good size plots of land goin cheap in the right area of banbridge you can give me a shout.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smiler An Dun on October 30, 2007, 12:36:11 PM
regarding people and their clubs.  What is the general consensus that players/members should be able to choose what ever club they want to be part of no matter where they live?  Does the Parish rule still exist (especially in rural areas)?

The club in the Parish I live is an amalgamation of two clubs that used to be in the parish.  However "one" side of the club is far more dominant than the "other" side.  With very few clubs near by, I have no option but to go with that club, although if I had the choice I would choose another.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 30, 2007, 01:47:33 PM
QuoteWhat is the general consensus that players/members should be able to choose what ever club they want to be part of no matter where they live?

  No way Smiler.  IMO it's what sets us apart from the soccer boys.  You are born into a club and thats it until you are six foot under, if boys could pick and choose which club to affiliate to I think most of what I love about the GAA would vanish. 

  I believe most people feel that way, it certainly explains the feelings expressed towards Loughinisland earlier in the thread.

  I understand your difficult position and to be honest if our club folded and I had to join Saul I'd just jack it in and take up full time drinking!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turkey+ham on October 30, 2007, 02:12:09 PM
No1, could be worse, imagine having to join Downpatrick or Ardglass?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 30, 2007, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on October 30, 2007, 09:21:35 AM
6th sam, as regards development of our fields we dont have much option really. the school is being redeveloped in the next couple of years but i dont think we will be gaining any territorial advantages from it, despite the efforts of alot of people including the parish priest. i think we may have some of our facilities upgraded in turn for giving the school some use of them but by the same token it doesnt solve the problem of needing a bigger pitch. the wee pitch at the top is now fully floodlit which is a big help. its good for training and hosting underage matches at night. p.s. if you hear of any good size plots of land goin cheap in the right area of banbridge you can give me a shout.

A bit more drainage on the pitch would be a good start, it can be a bit of a bog at times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 30, 2007, 04:05:25 PM
  I understand your difficult position and to be honest if our club folded and I had to join Saul I'd just jack it in and take up full time drinking!
No1 i thought with the amount of underachievment of your club you had all jacked it in to take up drinking. ;) ::) ;D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 30, 2007, 04:19:49 PM
 :D

A fair point off the laces.

Turkey + ham, that's a bit like a choice between being shot or hung!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 30, 2007, 04:29:12 PM
what No1 says is exactly right in my opinion. gaa is unique because of the parish/family ties involved. maybe its just me but i would much prefer to play in the lower divisions with true clubmen, lads i was brought up with rather than win championships etc with a team laced full of outsiders.

any other way would lead to clubs becoming like my local soccer club. i think it has only 2 locals on it. the result being that you could easily count the number of spectators at their games. some of the pub teams would nearly get as big a crowd because its all locals playing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 30, 2007, 04:46:04 PM
Anyone know where the best place to listen to coverage of the Bridge match on the web will be on Sunday?  Will five fm be covering it? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on October 30, 2007, 04:49:27 PM
The house sounds like the best place! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smiler An Dun on October 30, 2007, 05:04:22 PM
while i agree to the parish/family ties etc, where the club is located/situated isn't my "place", therefore i Have no real affinity for the place except that it's the only club I can be a member off.  I did have a club, that represented where I lived but due to circumstances had to fold/merge in with the other side of the Parish.  The two sides are as bad as black and white.  I live in hope that someday football will return.

On another note, what about this instance.  I live on the boundary of two parishes, in that if I moved 100 yards up the road I would be living in another Parish.  Although still in Down, the bulk of that Parish and the GAA club that represents it is in another county.  Does that mean at present anyone living in the Down part of the parish can only play for a club in another county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 30, 2007, 05:49:41 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 30, 2007, 04:19:49 PM
:D

A fair point off the laces.

Turkey + ham, that's a bit like a choice between being shot or hung!

Shot,hung, or jack it all in and take up drinking full-time:looks like Saul's your best option after all No.1!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 30, 2007, 07:02:09 PM
Nothing to do with me this time lads! 



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 30, 2007, 07:59:26 PM
Now lets look at the evidence.

New poster from Mayobridge moans about his club not getting it's due.

They have your number Amallon, you can run but you can't hide.   :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 30, 2007, 08:15:37 PM
I'll get the blame anyway!  Just noticed your signature passedit!   ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 31, 2007, 07:43:08 AM
No coverage of the county final (or replay) on the web site but plenty about An Riocht winning the league? Is the county PRO from An Riocht?
The Down website is generally a good effort but for how a county website should look and feel, take a look at the Antrim site - real class.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 31, 2007, 08:15:51 AM
The best thing about the Antrim site is that it's updated every day with fixtures & results at all levels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 31, 2007, 09:41:07 AM
thats a fairly sad response on the down website, obviously based on the bridge fan's lament on here. I thought no co board members or PRO was allowed to visit this site!  ;)

ps. heard yesterday that rostrevor have gone after cathal o'rourke for new manager's job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 31, 2007, 12:18:19 PM
Quote from: The Corporal on October 29, 2007, 05:47:03 PM
Im surprised the Island didnt get Brendan McGourty when they were signing Magic Johnston! Loughinisland is like the gaelic version of Man City at this min in time!!  :D

I see that old chesnut as a arisen again. Firstly, Magic Johnston decided to come to Loughinisland and was not encouraged in anyway. Being a playing member and member of the committe I can state it was as much a surpirse to us as anyone else why he chose us. It was a move completly of his own volition and you can ask him if you don't believe me.

With regards other tranfers I would say our record does not differ any more than that of Downpatrick. How many players have transferred into the RGU in the last ten years? You will find it is more than went to Loughinisland. I would not lambast Downpatrick for it.

This business of playing for your club is a two way street and not only requires commitment from the player but the club as well. One fella that transferred to us told his original club he was more than happy to stay. He did not care what division he played in so long as the players turned up at training and showed some ambition and effort. In the next two session a maximum of 5 people turned up. It seems the players could not be bothered. From speaking to the fellas who have transferred (and there is not as many as being suggested on this board) you can learn that they want to train in a club that at least puts an effort in. They are hardly coming to Loughinisland for the medals. We might not be setting the world alight but are training numbers rarely if ever drop below 20 on any given night.

On another note, most of our players would knock the beer on the head, or at least significantly moderate thier intake at important periods of the year.

Certain neighbouring clubs could maybe stop to dry their eyes and put their own house in order, get out of the pub and stop trying to blame their neighbour for their current malaise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 31, 2007, 03:48:02 PM
Lads I got to back the county pro on this one.  Maybe some of the people knocking the county's website should offer to lend a hand.  Anyone who mantains a club website knows the amount of work involved so you can multiply that by 100 for a county site.  I think the Down website is a one man operation so you got to take your hat off to the man.  The Derry website is updated by a team of 5 or 6 people.  The Down year book is also being produced at the moment which is a mamoth undertaking as well.

I know the county are bringing in a system like is used in Derry where refs will get a text message asking them to do a game.  Their reply is acceptance that they will be covering the game.  They get a reminder text message on the day of the game.  After the game the ref text's the result through to a computer system which will automatically put the result on the site and update league tables.  Club sites hosted with the GAA will be able to link into this meaning club site admins won't have to worry about putting up their under 12's results and fixtures.  This is due to roll out next year sometime I think.  Should be a great addition.

Defending the Co. Board!  ::)

Maybe I'll not be an arsehole now!  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 31, 2007, 08:13:24 PM
Mr Mallon - that is exactly the system used in Antrim. Works well in my experience.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 31, 2007, 08:37:46 PM
We might get fewer no shows from Ref's as they will have the reminder on match day.  Maybe DownGAA might fill us in on this project.  We know you are reading this! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 31, 2007, 09:20:37 PM
Quote from: amallon on October 31, 2007, 03:48:02 PM
Lads I got to back the county pro on this one.  Maybe some of the people knocking the county's website should offer to lend a hand.  Anyone who mantains a club website knows the amount of work involved so you can multiply that by 100 for a county site.  I think the Down website is a one man operation so you got to take your hat off to the man.  The Derry website is updated by a team of 5 or 6 people.  The Down year book is also being produced at the moment which is a mamoth undertaking as well.

I know the county are bringing in a system like is used in Derry where refs will get a text message asking them to do a game.  Their reply is acceptance that they will be covering the game.  They get a reminder text message on the day of the game.  After the game the ref text's the result through to a computer system which will automatically put the result on the site and update league tables.  Club sites hosted with the GAA will be able to link into this meaning club site admins won't have to worry about putting up their under 12's results and fixtures.  This is due to roll out next year sometime I think.  Should be a great addition.

Defending the Co. Board!  ::)

Maybe I'll not be an arsehole now!  :D

are you in the running for a post on the board, and I dont mean this one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 31, 2007, 10:16:51 PM
Do you think they'd have me???  ;D  I think not!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 01, 2007, 09:30:49 AM
There will be some enforced changes as some board members have served their full term and cannot be re-elected.

Hugh John Harper, Tony Burden and Willie Gribben are three that I know off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 01, 2007, 11:24:54 AM
Fabulous programme on BBC last night on Martin Clarke - great production, well presneted, and the lad himself is as good with his chat as his football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 01, 2007, 02:40:17 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 01, 2007, 02:38:22 PM
So Tony Burden will be No 1 and Hugh John will retire(aye right) to No2?

No... they both have to step down as far as I know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on November 01, 2007, 09:07:57 PM
Just watched the Martin Clarke show.  Jeysus Down need him back big time.   Not just for his personal prowess but more so his appeal and example to our developing youth.

Surely there is some innovative way to match the relatively small amount of £ he gets in Oz.  I'm not advocating professionalism but in the past other counties found clever ways of attracting their very special stars back from foreign climes (Mr McGuigan for example). 

Martin is a wee bit extra special and I would love to see him back in the Red & Black, but I suspect the notion of finding a way of enticing him home is beyond the stripy tank-top, cap wearing Down administration.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on November 02, 2007, 01:52:32 AM
Loughinisland is like the gaelic version of Man City at this min in time
The statement quoted above reflects so much of what is wrong with the GAA in Down today. Loughinisland is a small rural community, who against all the odds are managing to maintain and develop a succesful club with Div1 status. In doing so they are providing first class and much needed facilities for their community. This requires self sacrifice,hard work and effort from too few individuals. Instead of recognising and applauding their achievment, some people find reason to belittle and denigrate. Who would you prefer to have in your community, the Loughinisland club men or their useless critics. Its a no brainer isnt it, who in their right mind would choose the critics
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on November 02, 2007, 08:58:47 AM
 While agreeing with nearly all your sentiments,they still have this distasteful habit of poaching/recruiting players from outside their Parish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on November 02, 2007, 11:42:12 AM
was there anyone at the xfactor in cc last night between neighbouring  clubs, saval, ballyholland and mayobridge!! thought john mccaffery was the deserving winner!! great nights craic!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 02, 2007, 12:00:25 PM
How did Murphy & Murtagh go ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on November 02, 2007, 12:10:18 PM
the 2 boys were top class entertainment but brutal singers, shouting down the mirophones and loving groping the fake tits they were wearing!! shane mulholland said to them ' if thats what tyrone are going to be facing come may time, tyrone will be laughing'
A very well organised event, maybe a few too many tickets sold for the lack of seats there were but craic was brilliant!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 02, 2007, 12:14:57 PM
Sounds like a qaure nights craic , fair play to all concerned . I hope they made a fortune for the charities  involved .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 02, 2007, 04:52:17 PM
I'd have been there like a shot last night if I'd have been in the country.  Everyone I've talked to had a great night and are feeling a little bit worse for wear today.  The X-Factor night in the Bridge was one of the best nights craic we had in the club in years and that includes county final nights. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on November 02, 2007, 08:12:18 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on November 01, 2007, 09:31:49 PM
The more he develops as an Aussie Rules player the less likely we will see him in a Down shirt, but we live in hope that he will one day return.

Can't argue with that 5Times but I must live in hope.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 03, 2007, 10:30:05 AM
just a note to wish our representatives in ulster competitions good luck for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 03, 2007, 02:55:35 PM
Cheers off the laces.  I'm stuck in the states with work and am going to miss the Bridge game.  I've emailed five fm to see if they are covering the game but got no reply.   Does anyone know if any they will be covering the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 03, 2007, 04:12:25 PM
Nicky Brennan was the special guest at our Dinnerdance last night. Have to say he spoke extremely well. He got a great round of applause for anti-GPA comments. He spoke too about secretaries getting a hotline to Croke Park and how this £50 million is going to be spent. He is also going to be at the Burrendale tonight for Ballykinlar's 75th anniversary.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KIDDO on November 03, 2007, 07:55:40 PM
The Dromore v Mayobridge game will  be on QIOI.2FM,tomorrow afternoon , at 2.30pm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 04, 2007, 11:48:17 AM
Does anyone have a link to it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 04, 2007, 03:52:41 PM
Some of you feckers get off that Q101 steaming.  I can't get on.  Must be over loaded.  F :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 04, 2007, 04:05:23 PM
bridge drew 1-10 to 0-13, 3 down in second half at one stage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 04, 2007, 04:11:09 PM
Got to be happy enough with that.  Being 3 points down for most of the game.  Thats our third replay in championship football this year.  We've won all the replays.  Going to miss the replay too, even more raging now! 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaagaa on November 04, 2007, 08:23:42 PM
5times how did mcmenamin behave?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on November 05, 2007, 12:15:32 PM
think what osin mcconville says in his book about ryan mcmennamin came to light yesterday, straight from kickoff he was in walsh's ear sneering at him and talking shite by the looks of it, walsh missed a 2nd half shot and he jeered straight in his face, to me he looks like an absolute gobshite. thought walsh certainly got the better of him!! the bridge were lucky to come back from that 1st goal but fairplay to them for doing so!! don't know if they'll beat Dromore in the replay, thought Dromore have a wee bit more than the bridge up front and coum mccullagh looks a class act but fair play to brendan rooney, he kept him at bay in the 2nd half!! 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 05, 2007, 02:13:55 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on November 01, 2007, 09:07:57 PM
Just watched the Martin Clarke show.  Jeysus Down need him back big time.   Not just for his personal prowess but more so his appeal and example to our developing youth.

Surely there is some innovative way to match the relatively small amount of £ he gets in Oz.  I'm not advocating professionalism but in the past other counties found clever ways of attracting their very special stars back from foreign climes (Mr McGuigan for example). 

Martin is a wee bit extra special and I would love to see him back in the Red & Black, but I suspect the notion of finding a way of enticing him home is beyond the stripy tank-top, cap wearing Down administration.



I have heard that the earful Marty got from that thing choc brannigan against Kilcoo would make even McMenamin look like a saint - then what would you expect from a pig?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uptheford on November 05, 2007, 03:17:13 PM

I have heard that the earful Marty got from that thing choc brannigan against Kilcoo would make even McMenamin look like a saint - then what would you expect from a pig?
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Choc Branagan is a dam good player! Jealously will get you no-where!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiffler on November 05, 2007, 08:29:25 PM
On the way home from the game yesterday we had a debate as to who was the better gaelic player at the minute, Marty Clarke or Benny the Great.

Both have had fantastic games for their clubs recently (Clarke v Kilcoo and Benny v Bryansford) and both were star players on their respective minor all ireland winning teams. What do yous reckon?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 05, 2007, 09:16:20 PM
I think its going to be very hard to say which was better as we aren't going to see much of Martin Clarke in a Down jersey for a long time.  Could Benny have made it in Australia when he was Martin Clarkes age?  Yes in my opinnion.  I have no doubt if he'd been scouted as a 19 year old he'd have been a big star in Australia by now.  Both lads are extremley gifted.  If Down had the two of them playing at the same time we wouldn't be ranked so lowly.  One can only dream...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on November 05, 2007, 09:41:17 PM
Quote from: stiffler on November 05, 2007, 08:29:25 PM
On the way home from the game yesterday we had a debate as to who was the better gaelic player at the minute, Marty Clarke or Benny the Great.

Both have had fantastic games for their clubs recently (Clarke v Kilcoo and Benny v Bryansford) and both were star players on their respective minor all ireland winning teams. What do yous reckon?



Benny is frickin lethal and one of the top forwards in Ireland, no doubt. However Clarke is a special talent and would have gone on to become one of the greats!!!!!!!!!!! and its a pity for Down he is away becoming a star in OZ, but fair play to him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 06, 2007, 08:13:28 AM
Clarke is the ultimate playmaker while Benny is the ultimate Assassin.
You cant compare them to be honest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on November 06, 2007, 08:34:06 AM
I seen on H.S. that mc veigh and colgan have left the panel. due a row with Ross the boss, anybody here about it? is it true?

Hope for Down's sake its a load keek, bad sign to be falling out in November!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 06, 2007, 11:06:34 AM
Quote from: the milkman on November 06, 2007, 08:34:06 AM
I seen on H.S. that mc veigh and colgan have left the panel. due a row with Ross the boss, anybody here about it? is it true?

Hope for Down's sake its a load keek, bad sign to be falling out in November!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, got it first hand from a panellist.
An Riocht had a dinner on Friday night and were gave the ultimatum from Ross - dont train - dont comeback.
A bit OTT for early November.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 06, 2007, 11:47:34 AM
Maybe they mean business from the start this year , don't think the Bridge boys would be told not to come back  if training clashed with one of their functions  . Is this the second time Colgan and Ross have not seen eye to eye ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 06, 2007, 01:02:23 PM
Quote from: downredblack on November 06, 2007, 11:47:34 AM
Maybe they mean business from the start this year , don't think the Bridge boys would be told not to come back  if training clashed with one of their functions  . Is this the second time Colgan and Ross have not seen eye to eye ?

At last years dinner dance the BRIDGE BOYS had to play a challenge match agianst Meath somewhere down the country, they came back to our dinner when it was over, Ronan sexton recieved player of the year bur noel had to pick it up for him!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 06, 2007, 01:10:54 PM
if these rumours are true then you would have to seriously wonder what the hell is going on in our county with the current Senior panel, management and county board.

firstly we have the ridiculous starting date for training for the squad in september with about 50 odd guys getting asked to train believing that they will end up being part of a panel and in turn will be lead to believe that the will end up getting a game at some stage through the year when in fact its the opposite, refer to this year's championship/qualifier games when we had a bench full of players that the management clearly didnt rate or believe could do a job and never used, see Stephen Toner, Darren Cunningham etc. those kind of guys were chosen to be on the panel but yet you were never ever given the impression that they would ever be used come crunch time in championship etc.

then we have the constant squabbling and rumours of fall outs. How many times do you ever hear of fall-outs in Tyrone/Armagh etc. Now i dont know whos fault it is or why these fall-outs occur but something needs to be done. Does the managament not clearly state at the outset of the year for each player involved in the squad what is expected of them as county players or how they should acting, what is acceptable and what isnt etc and then there can be no confusion. It seems to be certain players or groups of players get treated differently to others.

also answer me this (and maybe im just being cynical) but when the F**k would you ever catch armagh players or past Down players for that matter prancing around on stages/Catwalks as either models/singers/entertainers or opening supermarkets etc. Am in disbelief at why these guys would agree to or want to put themselves in these positions at all, it completely leaves themselves open for much more criticism than what they fail to do on the field of play.
The only place i want to see these guys entertaining the public is on gaelic Field, not in the canal court/Laceys/The Quays or anywhere else for that matter.

As i said you wouldnt have caught Kieran mc Geeney, Marsden, Paul Higgins,Eamon Burns etc at that craic, whereas in our county today its the norm for our players to do this sort of stuff and yet be fetted by the public for it. I think its so indicitive of our county senior team of today to be honest and says it all really.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on November 06, 2007, 01:23:18 PM
Well said brick! But the whole thing seems alot of nonsence to me although if this is the case and the two boys are off is there anyone out there good enough to replace them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 06, 2007, 01:39:31 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 06, 2007, 01:02:23 PM
Quote from: downredblack on November 06, 2007, 11:47:34 AM
Maybe they mean business from the start this year , don't think the Bridge boys would be told not to come back  if training clashed with one of their functions  . Is this the second time Colgan and Ross have not seen eye to eye ?

At last years dinner dance the BRIDGE BOYS had to play a challenge match agianst Meath somewhere down the country, they came back to our dinner when it was over, Ronan sexton recieved player of the year bur noel had to pick it up for him!!!!!!!!!


I wasn't questioning the Bridge lads commitment to the Down cause but was implying that Ross was making an example of a fringe player (Colgan).

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 06, 2007, 01:39:51 PM
Quotealso answer me this (and maybe im just being cynical) but when the F**k would you ever catch armagh players or past Down players for that matter prancing around on stages/Catwalks as either models/singers/entertainers or opening supermarkets etc.

Or touting their books around the place to pay their gambling debts!!!

QuoteAm in disbelief at why these guys would agree to or want to put themselves in these positions at all, it completely leaves themselves open for much more criticism than what they fail to do on the field of play.
The only place i want to see these guys entertaining the public is on gaelic Field, not in the canal court/Laceys/The Quays or anywhere else for that matter.

Its the end of the season and nowhere near the start of next season ...are these boys not allowed a life??? Catch a f**king grip will you.

QuoteAs i said you wouldnt have caught Kieran mc Geeney, Marsden, Paul Higgins,Eamon Burns etc at that craic.

Or Barney Rock or Jack O'Shea or David Beggy either...wise up...its only a bit of crack FFS.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 06, 2007, 01:40:20 PM
I hear Bredagh are looking to form a Thirds team. Does this mean that your Seconds are going to the ACPRFL Div 2?
Also, is it just me or should something be said at the East Down Convention about the shambles that is the EDRFL?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 06, 2007, 01:52:18 PM
"also answer me this (and maybe im just being cynical) but when the F**k would you ever catch armagh players or past Down players for that matter prancing around on stages/Catwalks as either models/singers/entertainers or opening supermarkets etc. Am in disbelief at why these guys would agree to or want to put themselves in these positions at all, it completely leaves themselves open for much more criticism than what they fail to do on the field of play."

if your refering to last thursday night.. the boys who were on stage did it for a worthy cause, over 10,000 was made for the marie curie nurses, well done lads
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 06, 2007, 01:59:30 PM
Spot on Tommy...how could I forget that bit?? Any word on a final total yet??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 06, 2007, 02:17:27 PM
look fellas i know alot of you guys on here were involved in some capacity with recent charity events etc and im not just referring to that one event and i admire anyone who rolls up their sleeves and gets actively involved. I know how important fund raising and charity functions are and how much charity organisations rely on local celebrities etc but im sorry but i still firmly believe that certain figures who get involved in PR as amateur sportsmen are leaving themselves open to so much criticsim, even more so when you consider the state of our current county setup.

5sams, comparing legends like Jack O Se, Beggy etc to our current players, please dont make me laugh. Also are they not retired greats who have earned the right and respect to do whatever they like in their retirement. Ive no problem with our players doin that stuff when they have a back pocket full of medals and have the slippers on in front of the fire but now at their supposed peak age?? Are you seriously telling me that people throughout the county including past players arent shaking their heads and wondering what kind of heads are on these boys shoulders.

Give me a dour,grumpy,gym-loving, tee-totalling bore-the-knickers-off-ye Kieran Mc Geeney or Paul mc Grane any day of the week to replace some of the "local celebs" we have on our squads.

T O Hare i dont debate there was a large amount raised the other night and it was a very worthwhile venture and as i said i aint against that but id still question some players mentalities within our county, and again im not just refering to the charity do min the Canal Court.

Maybe i am overeacting a bit, maybe i should lighten up somewhat, then again on the other hand if we lose miserably to Tyrone come championship time and possibly falter at the 1st or 2nd hurdle in the qualifiers we can always comfort ourselves in the knowledge that our boys gave it their all and are entitled to do what they like in their spare time/off season while not forgetting that they are great craic too and know how to enjoy themselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 06, 2007, 02:38:13 PM
not sure on a final total yet FIVE SAMS but brick i think you being totally unfair to any down players, they get a lot of stick for being spice boys and take it very well but they are allowed a life.. its closed season and they are nt doing anything more than any county player does.. look at oisins book or geezer fronting himself on the gpa, mugsy getting pictured with jordan etc
these lads are co players and there will always begrugders  putting them down!!
its not fair because any down player i know are friendly, down to earth and approachable, they are not the " do you know who i am brigade" that peole make them out to be
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 06, 2007, 03:18:07 PM
I'd have no problem with county players getting involved in events like this.  They helped raise the profile of the event and help increase the total raised for chairty.  If this took place in the middle of the championship season you'd have to ask questions but not in November.  I don't know many of our county panel but know the two Ballyholland lads and both are as down to earth as they come.  Anyway thank god they are better footballers than singers!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 06, 2007, 03:30:40 PM
Brick, seeing as fcukwits like you fully expect our county players to behave better than monks, well it's no wonder then that the GPA are seeking payments for players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 06, 2007, 03:48:17 PM
Hey amallon , I managed to get into a pic on yer website . The big time at last . ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on November 06, 2007, 04:14:58 PM
To be fair to Ross, he obviously knows that he needs to do alot of work to turn things around- one days training a week isnt a big sacrifice is it? The Down boys are also being asked to do weights during the week- i wonder how many actually do this!?

It seems playing for Down is taken for granted! Colgan and McVeigh obviously tried to call Ross Carr's bluff! Good on yis lads- it didnt work! If i was told not to drink for a year and i would be part of the panel i wouldnt drink! To attend training and go to a dinner dance afterwards (if this was the stumbling block) is a pain in the arse but do- able!

Armagh and Tyrone do not have the problems we have- as mentioned earlier- simply because they do not dare ask questions of management- they get on with it or they are history! Exactly what has happened in this case! If Mcgeeney could find time to train at a wedding (his sisters?) then surely Colgan and McVeigh could have found the time to train for their county! This is the difference! The dinner dance thing is a cop out!

At the end of the day if all the players are not willing to put the effort in then the management, no matter who they are will be pissing against the wind!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 06, 2007, 04:33:54 PM
down fanatic,not sure if bredagh are entering a thirds team or not,but as far as i am aware they won the east down reserve league and would presumably go up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 06, 2007, 04:39:05 PM
Couldn't agree more redandblackjack. 

  Didn't McVeigh and Carr fall out last year?  Colgan walked last year, bit if an attitude problem there?  I don't know the fella at all but it reflects badly on him.

  As for the other 2 boys mentioned, FFS give them a break Brick.  Amateur sportsmen in the off season having a bit of craic and helping to raise money for charity, what exactly is the problem?  Murtagh is probably the fittest man on the panel and IMO was our best player last year.  As for Murphy, well he has big ears.   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 06, 2007, 11:39:56 PM
Quote from: downredblack on November 06, 2007, 03:48:17 PM
Hey amallon , I managed to get into a pic on yer website . The big time at last . ;D

Care to tell us which picture?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on November 06, 2007, 11:59:55 PM
If Management lay down rules, then they must enforce them or lose respect. Having said that, to commence training in November is just plain crazy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 07, 2007, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: amallon on November 06, 2007, 11:39:56 PM
Quote from: downredblack on November 06, 2007, 03:48:17 PM
Hey amallon , I managed to get into a pic on yer website . The big time at last . ;D

Care to tell us which picture?

Standing along the fence county Final .

Quote from: rosskarr on November 07, 2007, 12:07:44 PM
Everyone else bar maybe Cork and Kerry I'm sure are training at the minute.Le Manga in January is "plain crazy"


If they are heading off let them at it , what harm can it do ? This league campaign is going to be very important to us so the better prepared they are the better .

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Figo on November 07, 2007, 12:47:08 PM
I think the panel needs to be cut so that ross and co can concentrate on improving the players he has.  There has been enough searching for new players.  As for training weeks away. why not. Any man who trains all year round need something to freshen things up, it can only be healthy for team building and enthusiasm.

 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 07, 2007, 02:42:32 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on November 07, 2007, 02:40:49 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on March 13, 2007, 11:58:14 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on March 05, 2007, 09:02:59 AM
The Down Team spent 5+ hours on Sunday 'trekking' Slieve Donard. I mean am I missing the point here - what to hell is that all about?
Never mind yesterdays terrible weather conditions, we are rooted to the bottom of 1B with 1 pt from 3 games and the players are taken for a walk!!!

Beats last years team building exercise then!!
Just hope the County Board approve this one unlike last years weekend away that Ross forgot to tell them about!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 07, 2007, 02:47:19 PM
Quote from: downredblack on November 07, 2007, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: amallon on November 06, 2007, 11:39:56 PM
Quote from: downredblack on November 06, 2007, 03:48:17 PM
Hey amallon , I managed to get into a pic on yer website . The big time at last . ;D

Care to tell us which picture?

Standing along the fence county Final .

Quote from: rosskarr on November 07, 2007, 12:07:44 PM
Everyone else bar maybe Cork and Kerry I'm sure are training at the minute.Le Manga in January is "plain crazy"


If they are heading off let them at it , what harm can it do ? This league campaign is going to be very important to us so the better prepared they are the better .




Go on amallon put the picture up for us....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 07, 2007, 04:21:00 PM
(http://clubdir.gaa.ie/down/mayobridge/images/GavinBvStone07.JPG)

Think it might be this one he is one about not sure!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 07, 2007, 04:57:38 PM
Must have been a wide lens to get those two RGU men in shot!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on November 07, 2007, 07:26:19 PM
Most other countys have started training by now aswell- its not plain crazy it is the norm now! We have alot of catching up to do so the more training the better- the league aint that far away!
With regards to the trip away- the players cannot claim to be poorly treated or not looked after, maybe something like this will help in some way to turn things around, just a pity we got the hardest draw of the lot in the championship!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on November 08, 2007, 06:00:21 PM
Heard today there is a possibility Armagh will be using the Marshes for their home league games....i had heard this before, a while back, but thought nothing of it. Whats the liklihood?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: up down on November 08, 2007, 06:22:51 PM
as regards to the recent debate regarding transfers, burren & castlewllan are clearly the worst teams in the county for this, burren are good enough on their day but u have to wonder what division the town' would be in if they didnt have all the blow-ins they have.

good luck to the bridge in their replay!

ceiriolor anis bothair abu!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 08, 2007, 07:08:57 PM
Armagh in the Marshes:
I wouldn't mind.  It would be a few extra quid for Down.  I said before that Down should have brough Armagh on board even as a smaller partner in the development on Newry and given Armagh the use of it for NFL or bigger club games if it was needed.   Fiixtures could be worked in a away to have Down home and Armagh away week about.  The reaction I got at the time was negative and I don't think even one person agreed with me.  So is there anyone apart from me that thinks a ground share would be a good idea? Or I am still on my own??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on November 08, 2007, 07:21:03 PM
Quote from: amallon on November 08, 2007, 07:08:57 PM
Armagh in the Marshes:
I wouldn't mind.  It would be a few extra quid for Down.  I said before that Down should have brough Armagh on board even as a smaller partner in the development on Newry and given Armagh the use of it for NFL or bigger club games if it was needed.   Fiixtures could be worked in a away to have Down home and Armagh away week about.  The reaction I got at the time was negative and I don't think even one person agreed with me.  So is there anyone apart from me that thinks a ground share would be a good idea? Or I am still on my own??

A part of me says i wouldnt have them anywhere near it but i also think that it could be financially beneficial to Down- its a big call! It might never happen but i think the option was sounded out a few months ago. The two teams only play on the same day in Round 7 of the league if i am correct. Armagh also have the Dubs at home which could be a big crowd puller!

With regards to having them use it with a long term agreement such as a ground share- No chance! Its up to them to develop their own ground! While they were funding their all ireland campaigns and holidays etc counties like ours were pushing on with developing their grounds for future use!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 08, 2007, 07:41:42 PM
Its like the opening of Croker debate mark II!  ;D  They would have to pay us hansomly for the use of our Ground we could use this money to develop our coaching structures.  Armagh aren't going to be making any more profit than they would be had their games been played in Cross.  There is potential for bigger gates but a fair percentage would be going to pay the landlords.

A lot of Down gaels should set their dislike for Armagh aside and think about it financially and the benefits it will bring to us.  Whats the point of having the stadium if its hardly ever used, its not earning us the money it could when its lying empty. 

It probably will never happen as most Down people are strongly opposed to it.  For the wrong reasons in my opinion. 

P.S Whats happening now that Armagh are looking for a another ground?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SouthArmaghBandit on November 08, 2007, 10:27:55 PM
If youse would just stop counting your pennies for a minute, Armagh will never use Newry as a home ground.

Cross is fine for NFL and Clones for SFC - something youse boys know nothing about!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on November 08, 2007, 10:37:37 PM
Then why ask to use it bandit boy? Exactly our point, Cross more than caters for your dwindling support as the wheels are well and truely off the bandwagon now! Sure yous love your drunken days in clones.......why change it eh!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 08, 2007, 10:46:16 PM
 Armagh to use our pitch in Newry yet Mayobridge can't get a run out on Sat afternoon before their replay.But "hey there our neighbours".Bullsh.t.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on November 09, 2007, 03:13:25 AM
Makes sense to me, particularly given the relative convenience of the Marshes location for Armagh Fans. It would be churlish and ignorant not to help out our neighbours, if requested. Shopping centres in Newry would certainly welcome it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snatter on November 09, 2007, 09:30:38 AM
No brainer.
We're not exactly dripping with cash and this time we're helping out fellow gaels, not rival sports.

It makes no sense to have it lying empty.
With a 4000 capacity covered stand and floodlights, its ideal for National League games.
Easy to get to for S Armagh crowd, and the Lurgan lot could get the train.

What about Louth, couldn't they make use of it as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 09, 2007, 10:24:04 AM
Quote from: snatter on November 09, 2007, 09:30:38 AM
No brainer.
We're not exactly dripping with cash and this time we're helping out fellow gaels, not rival sports.

It makes no sense to have it lying empty.
With a 4000 capacity covered stand and floodlights, its ideal for National League games.
Easy to get to for S Armagh crowd, and the Lurgan lot could get the train.

What about Louth, couldn't they make use of it as well?

Entirley agree. Firstly it is now by far the best GAA ground in Ulster and should be made available to meet our neighbours' needs.
Secondly, are'nt the lower goals in Armagh anyway?
Thirdly, the new playing surface is a showcase for GAA and the best advert our games can have is for more high profile games there.
Fourthly, Down fixtures (including club championship) draw biig support from S Armagh Gaels anyway.


As for the Mayobridge gripe it is this sort of parochial nonesense that turned the old Marshes into a quagmire. There are plenty of training facilities for clubs all around the county - keep Esler for games.


One final point - the GAA authorities in Down should speak to tthe owners of Greenbank Industrial estate, Roads service and PSNI about properly marshalled parking on match days. With proper signage, traffic control and stewarding thie roads in the estate provides the best free parking any GAA ground will ever have without annpying residents elsewhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DMarsden on November 09, 2007, 10:55:52 AM

It's an entirely sensible suggestion. on reflection, if armagh had paid a premium and the two county boards had funded the redevelopment together, it could be a "joint" county ground by now. there is absolutely no need for most of the large stadia in ulster and this could be a very innovative and financially sound way forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 09, 2007, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on November 09, 2007, 10:25:20 AM
Is it not about time that the likes of Armagh & Louth had a ground of their own? If a County like Down, who would be regarded as one of the lesser footballing counties these days can maintain 2 county standard grounds then surely footballing super powers like Armagh and Louth should at least be capable of having 1 ground that holds a decent sized crowd in relative safety and comfort.
Maybe if Armagh & Louth werent wasting their cash on trips to La Manga, Florida or on trips to see Celtic they could put a few quid towards having a home for their team/fans to play in within their own County. The Marshes looks very well at the minute, it is a credit to an amateur organisation and I am proud to say that I contributed to it in some small way. If I had wanted to help out the homeless I would have made a donation to the Simon Community, if Armagh want to play in Newry they could try there. We dont need or want them.


Jeez, 5times that's a bit harsh . A bit of slagging is one thing but I wouldn't begrudge Armagh the chance to play in the Marshes . Especially if we get a few quid out of it  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 09, 2007, 11:25:07 AM
QuoteFirstly it is now by far the best GAA ground in Ulster

Is it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: full back on November 09, 2007, 11:33:31 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on November 09, 2007, 10:25:20 AM
then surely footballing super powers like Armagh and Louth should at least be capable of having 1 ground that holds a decent sized crowd in relative safety and comfort.

Complete WUM 5ivetimes ::)
No disrespect to Louth, but when did they become a superpower? Maybe making things up to suit your own agenda

As for the groundshare, I think it would be a decent enough idea on all sides. The set-up at the Marshes is excellent  & the financial rewards would be good as well. The only thing is if Down let us have the ground for certain occasions it would be letting them useless feckers on the county board off the hook.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blacksheep on November 09, 2007, 11:36:30 AM
Good idea. There's far too  much money being wasted on all these new grounds. Ulster only needs 3 really. Donegal should have shared Celtic park and kept their money in their pocket.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 09, 2007, 11:40:08 AM
I said from the outset that the Marshes should have been developed for use by both Down and Armagh, and I'm still of that mindset.

I don't think we could charge them much of a premium to be honest, but let's be honest, Armagh attract big crowds and it would more than pay both Down and Shamrocks to get involved in this arrangement.

With a ground like the Marshes in Newry, realistically it makes no sense for the GAA (Armagh County Board, Ulster Board, whatever level you choose) to try and replicate it 18 miles up the road in Armagh City. They should just share.


Oh and 5iveTimes, you are some craic. For God's sake, you were waxing lyrical about the shithole that is Newcastle a few months back. Newcastle is a dirty, cold, wet ground, always. You should stop getting emotionally involved with grounds and start getting emotionally involved with a club team. You'd then realise that within Down, money is seriously needed at county level. If the county can't generate it, they'll tap the clubs up. And most clubs just can't afford this situation. If Armagh are going to supply some of the needed funds, we should take it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 09, 2007, 12:28:00 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 09, 2007, 11:40:08 AM
I said from the outset that the Marshes should have been developed for use by both Down and Armagh, and I'm still of that mindset.

I don't think we could charge them much of a premium to be honest, but let's be honest, Armagh attract big crowds and it would more than pay both Down and Shamrocks to get involved in this arrangement.

With a ground like the Marshes in Newry, realistically it makes no sense for the GAA (Armagh County Board, Ulster Board, whatever level you choose) to try and replicate it 18 miles up the road in Armagh City. They should just share.


Oh and 5iveTimes, you are some craic. For God's sake, you were waxing lyrical about the shithole that is Newcastle a few months back. Newcastle is a dirty, cold, wet ground, always. You should stop getting emotionally involved with grounds and start getting emotionally involved with a club team. You'd then realise that within Down, money is seriously needed at county level. If the county can't generate it, they'll tap the clubs up. And most clubs just can't afford this situation. If Armagh are going to supply some of the needed funds, we should take it.

Agree totally wobbler.It makes no sense in the GAA having 3 half-baked "county" grounds in every county.
I'd let Armagh ,Louth or whoever use Páirc Esler,for a price.I'd draw the line at letting Newry Town(sorry City) FC use it,however :D
Continuing on a soccer note-don't AC Milan and Inter Milan share their ground,and it doesn't seem to cause them any problems.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: billy the kid on November 09, 2007, 01:09:54 PM
I think the GPA should be ashamed of themselves they are undermining everything the GAA stands for.  What they are asking for is Pay for |Play dressed up in fancy clothes.

They are an elitist Organisation who are only concerned with themselves and I firmly believe its a case of a few leading the many.

Don't get me wrong i totally agree with players being treated well and looked after if they get injured but they are always looking for more and more.

Currently every season inter-county players in Derry get:

2 pairs of boots
2 full kits a season,
2 full sets of training gear. (1 wet and 1 normal)
1 rain jacket
1 zip up top
1 jumper
2 polo shirts
1 tracksuit
Home training Equipment
Free access to state of the art gym

All the above are official Derry gear from O neills with emblems and crests and this is only the gear I KNOW FOR CERTAIN they get!

Also they have access to a top class physio, team doctor dietician and heart screening facilities.

they receive meals after ALL games and on the way to away games

they get fed after every training

and they also get VERY GOOD rebates on their mileage expenses.

Again these are jut the things i KNOW FOR CERTAIN!!

for each national league game they receive 4 passes each allowing friends and family to gain admission to the games for FREE and the passes can be used for both hurling and football even if only involved in one code.

They receive at least 2 and sometimes more FREE tickets for ALL championship matches they are involved in

They receive 2 good tickets for the all Ireland final in their code (hurling or football) for FREE

Before the club championship begins they receive a pass allowing them to gain FREE entry to ALL championship matches within the county in EITHER code at ANY level
 
The above list was given to me when I asked a PRESENT COUNTY PLAYER from our club about conditions at inter-county level.

I don't think anyone would begrudge them these things as the gear and medical farcicalities are a MUST and so are the mileage expenses and the meals.

The other stuff are added perks and again I would say Just right they are training very hard and giving a big commitment to Our County.

Looking at the list I would say our county players are fairly well looked after wouldn't you? And this is just the example of our county alot of other counties like Armagh and Tyrone get even more gear and perks which again is fair enough.

But to ask for money and to make out that they are so hard done by and listening to some of their leaders you'd think some were hardly fit to feed themselves and on the way to financial ruin is an absolute myth and border line lie!!

What ever happened to being proud to play for your county and pride in the jersey? That used to be enough to make people play for their counties.

Has Pride and honour fallen of the radar of the GPA in their obsession with self-worth and self-gain.
If pride in the jersey and being honoured to represent your County plus the list i have supplied aren't enough to make individuals play for OUR county teams do we really want them to? The type of character who would undermine the very fabric of our great organisation to line his own pockets.   

I was also informed by the County player from my own Club that most county players don't want to strike but are being openly pressurised to do so. Is this Democracy?

Its also evident the GPA are so far removed from the grassroots GAA and the supporters that they haven't noticed that the vast majority are strongly against it, but why would they listen to us mere mortals?

Down Manager Ross Carr has the right idea:

If these prima donnas strike and refuse to play Each County should find a panel of players who will represent their counties for pride honour and the other perks i listed. There would be a stampede to trials and it would totally negate the strike and render their actions futile and meaningless.

We cannot let the elitist few hold the rest of us to ransom while they try to gain financially for doing what most TRUE Gaels consider an Honour and a privilege – PLAY FOR YOUR COUNTY  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snatter on November 09, 2007, 01:10:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 09, 2007, 11:40:08 AM
............. the shithole that is Newcastle a few months back. Newcastle is a dirty, cold, wet ground, always.

A bit harsh on Newcastle there wobbler.

The main things wrong with the ground were the duff stand that you couldn't see out of because of the low roof and huge columns. Lately, the floodlight columns installed right at the touchline meant that you couldn't see much either.

But as a location, Newcastle is way better for the whole county than Newry.

Assuming Newcastle does get sold, I'd still see the need for a secondary county ground somewhere in East Down.
Without it in the long term, we'll lose the support of many from East Down, especially in  the greater  Downpatrick area.
I'd say that there's a fair percentage of Downpatrick people who've never been to Newry (and probably vice versa).
They'd get to Casement quicker than the marshes.

Imo, we should take some of the tesco money and build somewhere half decent ( say 10k capacity, 3k covered) closer to east down where the Down senior team can play some matches.

And btw, I'd say that Newcastle and the rest of east down is statistically warmer and drier than Newry or Ballyholland!
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 09, 2007, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: snatter on November 09, 2007, 01:10:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 09, 2007, 11:40:08 AM
............. the shithole that is Newcastle a few months back. Newcastle is a dirty, cold, wet ground, always.

A bit harsh on Newcastle there wobbler.

The main things wrong with the ground were the duff stand that you couldn't see out of because of the low roof and huge columns. Lately, the floodlight columns installed right at the touchline meant that you couldn't see much either.

But as a location, Newcastle is way better for the whole county than Newry.

Assuming, Newcastle does get sold, I'd still see the need for a secondary county ground somewhere in East Down.
Without it in the long term, we'll lose the support of many from East Down, especially in  the greater  Downpatrick area.
I'd say that there's a fair percentage of Downpatrick people who've never been to Newry (and probably vice versa).
They'd get to Casement quicker than the marshes.

Imo, we should take some of the tesco money and build somewhere half decent ( say 10k capacity, 3k covered) closer to east down where the Down senior team can play some matches.
And btw, I'd say that Newcastle like the rest of east down is probably warmer and drier than Newry or Ballyholland.
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Is the point not that we have too many grounds left empty for most of the year already without building another one . Surely if you want to go and watch Down badly enough you will get in the car and travel no matter were the ground is ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snatter on November 09, 2007, 01:28:15 PM
Quote from: downredblack on November 09, 2007, 01:23:18 PM

Is the point not that we have too many grounds left empty for most of the year already without building another one . Surely if you want to go and watch Down badly enough you will get in the car and travel no matter were the ground is ?


Its not the dedicated fans we need to attract - its the unconverted.
It'll be harder for us to persuade joe average in Crossgar to go to Down matches when they're in Newry.
Thye might start to go if tehy're played somewhere closer, even a couple of times a year would be enough to get them and their kids into the GAA.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 09, 2007, 01:39:07 PM
Quote from: snatter on November 09, 2007, 01:28:15 PM
Quote from: downredblack on November 09, 2007, 01:23:18 PM

Is the point not that we have too many grounds left empty for most of the year already without building another one . Surely if you want to go and watch Down badly enough you will get in the car and travel no matter were the ground is ?


Its not the dedicated fans we need to attract - its the unconverted.
It'll be harder for us to persuade joe average in Crossgar to go to Down matches when they're in Newry.
Thye might start to go if tehy're played somewhere closer, even a couple of times a year would be enough to get them and their kids into the GAA.

The way to get the unconverted and their kids into the GAA is through their local clubs , and from there the interest in the county team will follow . The reality is that we cant have a ground in the 4 corners of Down to accommodate people who don't want to make any effort to support Down . The Marshes is a fine set up and it would be a travesty after all the work that went into it if we didn't use it to the full and that includes letting Armagh in if they so wish .

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on November 09, 2007, 02:00:30 PM
Letting Armagh use the Marshes??? The pitch is under enough pressure as it is in terms of the volumes of games being played between county, schools, club championship and the use of Shamrocks teams in both hurling and football.

My concern and I voiced this at the time is that Shamrocks team will get to play on this pitch less and less, already there is talk of a ban on training on the pitch from a club persepctive which I have no real issue with in terms of protecting the pitch but at the same time its a bit rich then to have another county play their games there. IMO we can't expect to have all the gain of having a top class pitch and facilties provided for us from a club perepctive and not expect some pain i terms of access to the pitch but that arguement on behalf of the county board is undermined when they suugest letting Armagh use our facilties. I thought Armagh were one of the richest counties in the GAA??

As regards the query about the Bridge being denied access on the Saturday, I think you'll find that is related to Mayobridge's comments about the pitch and the general set-up at the Marshes a couple fo years ago which annoyed a lot of guys at the club while on a previous occasion they arrived unannounced 3-4 years ago and tried to tell the club hurlers to move off the pitch! You can guess the response that got!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 09, 2007, 02:05:06 PM
Quote from: downredblack on November 09, 2007, 01:39:07 PM
Quote from: snatter on November 09, 2007, 01:28:15 PM
Quote from: downredblack on November 09, 2007, 01:23:18 PM

Is the point not that we have too many grounds left empty for most of the year already without building another one . Surely if you want to go and watch Down badly enough you will get in the car and travel no matter were the ground is ?


Its not the dedicated fans we need to attract - its the unconverted.
It'll be harder for us to persuade joe average in Crossgar to go to Down matches when they're in Newry.
Thye might start to go if tehy're played somewhere closer, even a couple of times a year would be enough to get them and their kids into the GAA.

The way to get the unconverted and their kids into the GAA is through their local clubs , and from there the interest in the county team will follow . The reality is that we cant have a ground in the 4 corners of Down to accommodate people who don't want to make any effort to support Down . The Marshes is a fine set up and it would be a travesty after all the work that went into it if we didn't use it to the full and that includes letting Armagh in if they so wish .



As an East Down man who lives further away from Newry than Crossgar,and as somebody who was initially opposed to the development of Newry,I have to state that I am now a Newry convert.
The venue is superb in so many ways,and will develop even greater atmosphere for floodlit NFL games.
The county budget should not be put under strain by trying to provide a stadium in East Down.A much more important priority is to spend money on a state of the art training venue centrally in the county.East Down clubs would benefit far more from this,with a resultant increased representation from East Down on development squads,county squads etc.To ask players to travel 40+miles for training 3 times a week is not ideal.To ask supporters to travel to Newry for county matches  4 times a year is perfectly reasonable.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 09, 2007, 02:23:01 PM
Quote from: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on November 09, 2007, 02:00:30 PM

My concern and I voiced this at the time is that Shamrocks team will get to play on this pitch less and less, already there is talk of a ban on training on the pitch from a club persepctive which I have no real issue with in terms of protecting the pitch but at the same time its a bit rich then to have another county play their games there.

Most other clubs in the county bust their balls from year to year raising money to improve their facilities...Shamrocks get a first class ground for nothing and they complain about somebody else using it...I've heard it all now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snatter on November 09, 2007, 02:36:21 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 09, 2007, 02:05:06 PM
Quote from: downredblack on November 09, 2007, 01:39:07 PM
Quote from: snatter on November 09, 2007, 01:28:15 PM
Quote from: downredblack on November 09, 2007, 01:23:18 PM

Is the point not that we have too many grounds left empty for most of the year already without building another one . Surely if you want to go and watch Down badly enough you will get in the car and travel no matter were the ground is ?


Its not the dedicated fans we need to attract - its the unconverted.
It'll be harder for us to persuade joe average in Crossgar to go to Down matches when they're in Newry.
Thye might start to go if tehy're played somewhere closer, even a couple of times a year would be enough to get them and their kids into the GAA.

The way to get the unconverted and their kids into the GAA is through their local clubs , and from there the interest in the county team will follow . The reality is that we cant have a ground in the 4 corners of Down to accommodate people who don't want to make any effort to support Down . The Marshes is a fine set up and it would be a travesty after all the work that went into it if we didn't use it to the full and that includes letting Armagh in if they so wish .



As an East Down man who lives further away from Newry than Crossgar,and as somebody who was initially opposed to the development of Newry,I have to state that I am now a Newry convert.
The venue is superb in so many ways,and will develop even greater atmosphere for floodlit NFL games.
The county budget should not be put under strain by trying to provide a stadium in East Down.A much more important priority is to spend money on a state of the art training venue centrally in the county.East Down clubs would benefit far more from this,with a resultant increased representation from East Down on development squads,county squads etc.To ask players to travel 40+miles for training 3 times a week is not ideal.To ask supporters to travel to Newry for county matches  4 times a year is perfectly reasonable.

6th Sam ,

you obviously fall into the category of a dedicated fan, not somebody to be converted.
now it my guess that you live alongside many families who've never been to a down match.

If we're to make inroads into east down soccer country, alongside club efforts we should also showcase the county team.

If we lose Newcastle as secondary venue, then  some of the alleged £17 million should go on a replacement, or a the very least, the upgrading of one east diown ground, eg Downpatrick's ground.  Provide terracing / a stand to allow it to take say 7k, a good national league crowd.

I'd agree that a training ground is a priority, but surely that wouldn't take up all the pot.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on November 09, 2007, 02:46:08 PM
 Quote - Oh and 5iveTimes, you are some craic. For God's sake, you were waxing lyrical about the shithole that is Newcastle a few months back. Newcastle is a dirty, cold, wet ground, always.

Agree with Snatter on that one wobbler. Newcastle is a poor ground at the moment, but the Marshes was no better before the decsion was made to revamp the ground. The county had the chance at one stage to buy some extra ground at Newcastle that would have enabled then to turn the pitch 180 % to allow for proper re-development. Always thought, of Newcastle as the spiritual home of Down football and would imagine many people would feel the same. Believe it was  wrong to have the county ground at the extreme end of the county, thus alienating much of the county, including the Ards clubs. If not Newcastle, it should have been a new pitch in Castlewellan, which is at the heart, geographically speaking of Down GAA.

That said the decsion was made and the Marshes is a credit to Down GAA and Newcastle will be sold soon.

Agree totally with you wobbler that the development should have been a ground share arrangement. The Ulster Council and Central Council are going to have to get some central control over the development of county grounds throughout the country. There is no need for magnificent white elephants dotted all over the place that are filled once or twice a year. There should be three, possibly four good quality grounds in Ulster and they should be shared. The  large amounts of money saved should be pumped into the grass roots, where it will be far greater dividends. Of course the county needs a home ground for National league and smaller gate matches, but gound capacity of 10,000 or less in each county will cover these.

I believe there is at least four clubs who share the MCG in Melbourne in the Aussie rules and they have no desire to waste money on excess grounds. I think there is something in the psycholgogical make up of the GAA that these big numerous grounds are more of a statement than anything else, ie "look at us (soccer,rugby etc) we are the more successful organisation in this country and look at your pitful grounds". I for one accept there is a certain satisfaction in this but it is an expensive price to pay for that satisfaction and it would be a better organisation if the money was pumped into the grass roots.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Townie on November 09, 2007, 04:17:11 PM
As an East down man i would like to defend St Patricks park maybe not the most attractive of grounds but lets be honest here the fat cats at the county board haven't exactly been throwing money at it have they? No, they for years have been putting small change into the atmosphereless place called the marches! A more suitable name should be the swamp! This all to suit our southdown counterparts which sickens me most when people like blue islander whose pitch you wouldn put spuds in can criticise. In fairness to there landlords Bryansford i think they have maintained it to the best possible standard ans should be credited fot it, Iknow this sounds strange from a town man but i pass that place most nights and there is always some team training on it or playing matches everynight of the week, there is not another place in the county that could withstand abuse like that!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 09, 2007, 10:26:40 PM
QuoteI back my County with my own money, I dont need a clubs funds
And therein lies the difference between you and the county board.

Look, the point is simple. Down football isn't in debt, but there's feck all cash lying around. Everyone in Down is now banging on about these dedicated training facilities other counties have. The county board understands the need for one. All things being well, the Newcastle deal will finance an initiative such as this. But if it can't, then the funds will have to be achieved elsewhere. And one thing Down football is missing at present is benefactors.

So if an opportunity arose to make easy money on the side, without penalising clubs, supporters or existing sponsors in the process, I suggest it should be taken.

I really do hope that our county isn't full of people like you who want to develop soccer-style rivalries with neighbouring counties, which only get in the way of common sense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tyssam5 on November 10, 2007, 12:00:03 AM
Any local Down radio stations that will webcasting the Mayobridge v Dromore gmae on Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 10, 2007, 01:08:28 AM
If we can take a few bob off Armagh, why not ? I would hope that, even in division 3, we could generate a financial return of between 20k and 40k stg for a reasonably attractive NFL fixture at the upgraded Esler Park. Armagh, based on their past rather than their future achievements, should be able to double that for a high-profile game in a higher division. We could ask them for a quarter of the gate, and they would still be well in profit. Armagh would be left embarrassed over their lack of planning and we could gain 50k stg  plus over a  league season. Is that really a bad result ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on November 10, 2007, 02:37:56 AM
Just in from the pub but 5ive times your arguments are running thin. We are not a little county .The Rover is on the ball ,with the opportunity to generate money the decider. As I said to my daughter before I left for the 2002 AIF , 'we have to support them'. At the age of 8 she said,' you don't know how hard that it is for me'.At that point I knew we had done a good job in parenting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 10, 2007, 03:43:44 AM
5iveTimes - Your argument isn't going to change my mind on it.  I still think it would be a good move for Down to be collecting Armagh's rent. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 10, 2007, 01:46:05 PM
5iveTimes, what on earth makes you think you would be in the majority? We've people of all ages and all backgrounds on here from Down and there are not too many agreeing with any of your points.

By the way, your "Down = good, Armagh = bad" theory on life is, well, nothing short of Fearon-esque.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 10, 2007, 02:07:12 PM
QuoteWhy should we be the ones to help them out, we could end up with them as permanent tennants
This is exactly why you come across as having a soccer-style attitude to Gaelic Games.

I hate the Newry Shamrocks with a vile passion, but if they needed a pitch for a year and Ballyholland were in a position to help them out, I'd 100% back any decision to do so. For although I take great pride in those rare occasions when we beat the f**kers, and I can't help letting out a smile when I hear they've lost a game, I would hate to see them go the wall, or even go close to it. We are all part of the same association, after all.

You, on the other hand, seem to believe that there is some advantage in not helping your neighbours out. For reasons which I don't understand, you seem to feel that our position is strengthened when theirs is weakened.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on November 10, 2007, 02:17:56 PM
Surely the clubs will be consulted and given their say on a matter such as this or would the CB press ahead and make their own decision? Don't see the need for Armagh to use the Marshes except for an evening game anyway, cross manages ok for their Sunday league games does it not? Drove past Armaghs 'theatre of shite' the other day in Armagh City- there was terracing behind the goals which looked pretty new- would this have been recent? They seem to have cocked up big time there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 10, 2007, 03:21:35 PM
Esler Park is now one of the best grounds in Ireland, and we should take it as a huge compliment when other counties want to use it. Let's say, for example, Tyrone draw Meath in a final football qualifier this summer, or possibly Antrim get Dublin in the AI hurling play-offs.
Newry would be the obvious venue for those type of fixtures, so are we supposed to tell the GAC to get stuffed ? An additional crowd of 15,000 or even 20,000 people would be great for the economy in Newry and bring our county board a few very handy cheques.

Allowing Armagh to play their home league games there amounts to exactly the same thing. The ban mentality should be long gone by now. If we were crazy enough to turn away Armagh senior footballers, what about the players from the same county who make up at least half the squads from St Colman's and the Abbey ? Are we really going to put these schools on the black list for Park Esler as well ?

We have a fantastic facility at the Marshes which will put Down back in the spotlight and earn us some decent money as well. It's a little hard to believe that any GAA person could see all this as a threat to our county.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on November 11, 2007, 05:10:22 PM
Dont think Armagh should be allowed near Park Esler!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on November 11, 2007, 05:55:41 PM
The ground seemed greasy at the match today with players slipping regulary in what was a dry day and a dry October. I'd say if senior teams were playing on the ground every week during the winter the pitch would be a mess come the end of the NFL. Clubs are still supposed to be paying £70 a month for Pairc Esler with at least 1 club refusing to pay it on the basis that they always get put on th back pitch when they'v a fixture at the venue. I'd say the fewer games on the ground during the wet months the better and let Down men from all over the county play on it come spring/summer!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 11, 2007, 09:59:11 PM
The reason players slip on Esler's surface is not because of the surface, but because they choose the wrong boot. When you walk on the grass, it is in such good condition it seems like it would take a mouldie. Wearing mouldies in November though is just a mistake.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KIDDO on November 11, 2007, 10:59:26 PM
The condition of the pitch may be one aspect ,but what about thetraffic jams in Newry  on any Sunday ,  crazy place to hold a game , only 3500 spectators were listed as attending this afternoons game , but it took a long time to exit Newry this afternoon ,  it will certainly not take as long to exitClones next Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on November 12, 2007, 04:24:05 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 11, 2007, 09:59:11 PM
The reason players slip on Esler's surface is not because of the surface, but because they choose the wrong boot. When you walk on the grass, it is in such good condition it seems like it would take a mouldie. Wearing mouldies in November though is just a mistake.


sorry wobbler have to pull you on that one,  the surface on newry is that hard a stud won't go into the ground, no matter what time of year! 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 12, 2007, 09:42:07 AM
Dissapointing for the Bridge yesterday , definatley there for the taking but midway through the second half they just seemed to lose direction and reminded me of the Down senior team overplaying the ball with ten hand passes when fast ball into the forwards was needed .
On the bright side at least Mickey Walsh fixed McMenimen's yapping . ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Figo on November 12, 2007, 10:48:21 AM
The slippy surface in the marshes seems to be a strange one, although the turf appears to be in good condition any sort of a sharp turn causes players to slip, as has been seen in recent games.  I changed from mouldies to studs at half time in a game on it a month ago.  Studs gave me slighlty better grip but as pointed out by bridge gael the ground won't take it and so I ended up with blisters by the end.  I think it must be something to do with the knitting of the grass, compact soil.  When Croke park was first re-surfaced wasn't there similar problems?  I think more games on it can only help.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on November 12, 2007, 11:43:03 AM
any Drumgath posters on here at the minute? and any willing to share their views on the current playoff farce?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 12, 2007, 11:46:31 AM
Quote from: stpauls on November 12, 2007, 11:43:03 AM
any Drumgath posters on here at the minute? and any willing to share their views on the current playoff farce?

What's the story ? Do ye have to play Drumgath ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 12, 2007, 11:49:17 AM
absolutely bs!disgraceful behaviour from dgath, happy enough when they were 4th from top to take the playoff!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on November 12, 2007, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: downredblack on November 12, 2007, 11:46:31 AM
Quote from: stpauls on November 12, 2007, 11:43:03 AM
any Drumgath posters on here at the minute? and any willing to share their views on the current playoff farce?

What's the story ? Go ye have to play Drumgath ?

apparently so, the game has been set for the 25th, but that all depends on appeal's etc, which we have already set in motion, and i just want to see what they think of it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 12, 2007, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: stpauls on November 12, 2007, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: downredblack on November 12, 2007, 11:46:31 AM
Quote from: stpauls on November 12, 2007, 11:43:03 AM
any Drumgath posters on here at the minute? and any willing to share their views on the current playoff farce?

What's the story ? Go ye have to play Drumgath ?

apparently so, the game has been set for the 25th, but that all depends on appeal's etc, which we have already set in motion, and i just want to see what they think of it!


This seems to have been dragging on forever . What's yer chances with the appeal ? Paul's already beat Drumgath in the play offs is that right ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on November 12, 2007, 12:17:22 PM
Quote from: downredblack on November 12, 2007, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: stpauls on November 12, 2007, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: downredblack on November 12, 2007, 11:46:31 AM
Quote from: stpauls on November 12, 2007, 11:43:03 AM
any Drumgath posters on here at the minute? and any willing to share their views on the current playoff farce?

What's the story ? Go ye have to play Drumgath ?

apparently so, the game has been set for the 25th, but that all depends on appeal's etc, which we have already set in motion, and i just want to see what they think of it!


This seems to have been dragging on forever . What's yer chances with the appeal ? Paul's already beat Drumgath in the play offs is that right ?


yeah, has been dragging on for the last 2 months and will probably drag for a lot longer. we have already beat the Mitchels in the first game, with Mitchels being awarded the 2 points for Drumgath not fielding in the second game. now, as the rules clearly state, it was the bottom 3 in Div 3 that go to the playoffs, and with Bright not having got the 30% of the top team's points, it meant us and Mitchels to playoff, with Drumgath out side the bottom 3. Drumgath appealed, not sure on what grounds and won, but as we are a third party, we have no idea what they appealed against, so just gotta see what happens over the next few days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on November 12, 2007, 12:20:30 PM
Quote from: KIDDO on November 11, 2007, 10:59:26 PM
The condition of the pitch may be one aspect ,but what about thetraffic jams in Newry  on any Sunday ,  crazy place to hold a game , only 3500 spectators were listed as attending this afternoons game , but it took a long time to exit Newry this afternoon ,  it will certainly not take as long to exitClones next Sunday.

I think this was more to do with the bomb scare that was in the town and the traffic lights by the shopping centre and the Quays were out....it usually isnt as bad as it was yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on November 12, 2007, 12:49:27 PM
st Paul's i had no idea this has come up again. I had mentioned a few weeks back that the mitchels were to appeal but as i hadn't heard anything more I assumed they had accepted their fate. Why must you play Drumgath? Is it that mitchels have won whatever they appealed and as things stand yourselves and mitchels have 2 playoff points?? (mitchels being awarded 2 points as drumgath didn't field in Glenn last month)? So if st pauls were to beat drumgath then they would be relegated, the mitchels staying up having not played a game? If drumgath win all 3 presumably would meet eachother again.

And judging by what had previously been said by you in relation to training having stopped the condition of the players for these teams could't be great, which makes these games very hard to call. Really, anything could happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on November 12, 2007, 01:07:44 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on November 12, 2007, 12:49:27 PM
st Paul's i had no idea this has come up again. I had mentioned a few weeks back that the mitchels were to appeal but as i hadn't heard anything more I assumed they had accepted their fate. Why must you play Drumgath? Is it that mitchels have won whatever they appealed and as things stand yourselves and mitchels have 2 playoff points?? (mitchels being awarded 2 points as drumgath didn't field in Glenn last month)? So if st pauls were to beat drumgath then they would be relegated, the mitchels staying up having not played a game? If drumgath win all 3 presumably would meet eachother again.

And judging by what had previously been said by you in relation to training having stopped the condition of the players for these teams could't be great, which makes these games very hard to call. Really, anything could happen.

Minus, Mitchels won their appeal on Wednesday night past, as i said, not sure what the basis of their appeal was, but basically the Ulster council stated that the Down CB had to either get the problem sorted on the field, or let Mitchels stay in Div 3. so in their wisdom, the have decided that our game against Drumgath should go ahead.
now, as we have no idea what Drumgath or Mitchels appealed against, we feel that this match against Drumgath should not go ahead, and are currently in the process of appealing ourselves.

if the match does go ahead, and we win, Drumgath go down, at least in theory. if Drumgath win, we all go at it again, but this time not round robin, but straight knock out, that is, if we are drawn to play Mitchels in the first game and we win, Mitchels would then play Drumgath, and the losers of that match would go down. its starting grind on my nuts to be honest!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 12, 2007, 01:20:46 PM
Anybody know the stage of the South Down Under 20 competition?
I heard Clonduff got eliminated by the South Down Board -- Why was this?
Bryansford beat Castlewellan yesterday in the East Down Final - 1.15 to 2.09 aet - a cracking display by our boys and the performance of Conor Maginn was immense - how he missed a minor AI medal beggars belief - Kevin Duffin could not get near him yesterday and the town ended up with 2 men marking him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 12, 2007, 01:34:31 PM
Quote from: KIDDO on November 11, 2007, 10:59:26 PM
The condition of the pitch may be one aspect ,but what about thetraffic jams in Newry  on any Sunday ,  crazy place to hold a game , only 3500 spectators were listed as attending this afternoons game , but it took a long time to exit Newry this afternoon ,  it will certainly not take as long to exitClones next Sunday.

The traffic issue is easily solved if county board will consult fully with roads service and PSNI.  No stewarding of the traffic leaving the ground yesyaerday, exacerbated by all-day security alert caused by some numbskull at the war memorial.
If you go to Punchestown races in the Spring the Gardai operate one-way systems on small country roads in and out, reversing the flow after the races. This could easily be done with Kilmorey Street, Old Warrenpoint Road, Chapel Hill  & the carriageway to facilitate match traffic.
As for yesterday's attendance, apparently the stand holds 4300 - it was full, with at least 2000 on the other side of the ground. The radio said 7500, my eye said about 5500, but Ulster Council knows best!
How soon before we have calibrated turnstiles?
Finally a good game bewteen two well-behaved teams with Dropmore deserving to win.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 12, 2007, 01:44:12 PM
They annouced the "official" attendance at the game yesterday ......it was 3,700.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 12, 2007, 01:53:54 PM
Quote from: Leo on November 12, 2007, 01:34:31 PM
Quote from: KIDDO on November 11, 2007, 10:59:26 PM
The condition of the pitch may be one aspect ,but what about thetraffic jams in Newry  on any Sunday ,  crazy place to hold a game , only 3500 spectators were listed as attending this afternoons game , but it took a long time to exit Newry this afternoon ,  it will certainly not take as long to exitClones next Sunday.

As for yesterday's attendance, apparently the stand holds 4300 - it was full, with at least 2000 on the other side of the ground. The radio said 7500, my eye said about 5500, but Ulster Council knows best!


Make your mind up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 12, 2007, 01:59:42 PM
Anyone who drives up near the ground is asking for trouble , In saying that thks to the Tyrone man who stopped and asked me for directions and drove me right up to the front door  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 12, 2007, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on November 12, 2007, 01:20:46 PM
Anybody know the stage of the South Down Under 20 competition?
I heard Clonduff got eliminated by the South Down Board -- Why was this?
Bryansford beat Castlewellan yesterday in the East Down Final - 1.15 to 2.09 aet - a cracking display by our boys and the performance of Conor Maginn was immense - how he missed a minor AI medal beggars belief - Kevin Duffin could not get near him yesterday and the town ended up with 2 men marking him.

must have been some game Spirit, I have seen both of these teams recently and honestly thought that Castlewellan would win the whole thing, congratulations
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 12, 2007, 02:18:56 PM
Clonduff got the boot for playing Under 16s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on November 12, 2007, 02:47:34 PM
 Bryansford I believe having been playing an U-16 year old also for their U-20's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 12, 2007, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on November 12, 2007, 02:47:34 PM
Bryansford I believe having been playing an U-16 year old also for their U-20's.

It takes an allegation from a fool like you to stir up a load of shite - Bryansford had 4 under 17 players in their team - not under 16 - 3 under 16's train with the squad but dont strip out on matchday, all in all we have a good future ahead of us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 12, 2007, 04:31:18 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 12, 2007, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on November 12, 2007, 01:20:46 PM
Anybody know the stage of the South Down Under 20 competition?
I heard Clonduff got eliminated by the South Down Board -- Why was this?
Bryansford beat Castlewellan yesterday in the East Down Final - 1.15 to 2.09 aet - a cracking display by our boys and the performance of Conor Maginn was immense - how he missed a minor AI medal beggars belief - Kevin Duffin could not get near him yesterday and the town ended up with 2 men marking him.

must have been some game Spirit, I have seen both of these teams recently and honestly thought that Castlewellan would win the whole thing, congratulations

Cheers square. Castlewellan were favourites alright but our boys really stood up to the mark yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on November 12, 2007, 07:51:57 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on November 12, 2007, 11:49:17 AM
absolutely bs!disgraceful behaviour from dgath, happy enough when they were 4th from top to take the playoff!!

To be honest, I don't blame them, I blame the County Board for not having things set in concrete before the season kicked off.  There should never have been the room for this sort of amibiguity, Drumgath merely explioted a huge loop-hole left by an inadequate administration...Fair play to Mitchels too, they fought to save their Division 3 status and seem to have been thrown a life-line.

The long and short of it is, we are not safe when it was confirmed to us that if we beat Mitchels in Castlewellan we would be.  We of course will now be appealing on the grounds of "if everyone else does and gets what they want, why shouldn't we?".  Although knowing from past experience, out of the 3 clubs involved, we are the ones they would worry least about!  Sure what are we doing playing Gaelic Football in North Down Anyway?

A complete re-vamp of the administration of Coiste Contae An Duin and specifically the CCC, must be the outcome of this disgraceful farce. >:( ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on November 12, 2007, 08:12:59 PM
Quote from: downredblack on November 12, 2007, 09:42:07 AM
Dissapointing for the Bridge yesterday , definatley there for the taking but midway through the second half they just seemed to lose direction and reminded me of the Down senior team overplaying the ball with ten hand passes when fast ball into the forwards was needed .
On the bright side at least Mickey Walsh fixed McMenimen's yapping . ;D

Why what did he do?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 13, 2007, 09:47:02 AM
Cleaned out with a shoulder in the second half .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 13, 2007, 04:57:38 PM
I dont know if anybody seen it in the Tribune on Sunday or the Irish News the other day but the story regarding the Down County Board looking to buy a strip of land at Ballykinlar Camp is a load of crap.

Once again our club football has hit more disappointments. The Bridge, Downpatrick and Bosco all knocked out at the first hurdle. Just an idea but should the County Board look in to a Armagh/Cavan type system whereby each club can grade itself into SFC/IFC/JFC regardless of their League status?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 13, 2007, 11:59:17 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 13, 2007, 04:57:38 PM
I dont know if anybody seen it in the Tribune on Sunday or the Irish News the other day but the story regarding the Down County Board looking to buy a strip of land at Ballykinlar Camp is a load of crap.

Once again our club football has hit more disappointments. The Bridge, Downpatrick and Bosco all knocked out at the first hurdle. Just an idea but should the County Board look in to a Armagh/Cavan type system whereby each club can grade itself into SFC/IFC/JFC regardless of their League status?

Yes DF,I think the principle of league position being independent of championship status is the key to resolving club fixtures.
We should have an extended championship-round robin followed by knockout ,as per derry this year.

Your own club,while competitive in all games this year, are a better team with p.mccomiskey.If you were to struggle in the league next year  as a result of having to play a large percentage of league matches without p.mcc.,it should not affect your championship status.And you should get a chance to play in an extended championship campaign with p.mcc on board.
Look at Drumgath,they've been relegated from senior to junior championship in one year--some reward for providing 3 players to the county seniors!!

I hate to harp on ,but I feel our club fixtures are contributing to our lack of success at club and county level-but is there the will to change them?

We need a longer season for all teams,with a more even spread of fixtures throughout the year.
This can not be done without clubs having to play without their county men in certain league matches.Therefore ,to be fair ,league position should not determine championship status.

What's your opinion DF?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 14, 2007, 08:29:18 AM
Sorry 6th Sam, but if Down actually played Championship football for more than 5 weeks a year, your argument might hold some water. In this case, it doesn't.

Ballyholland and Saval got promoted from Division II, despite being the hardest hit in terms of county numbers in that division. Dundrum got promoted to Division II despite being without their star player for those 5-6 weeks.

Drumgath might have endured a handful of tough weeks without their county trio, but the absence of two of their other players to America for most of the season was more telling. Even more telling was getting rid of their manager early in the season and the stinking attitude of a number of their players.


For the record, I believe the way our Championships are filled is the single fairest method of any. To suggest that league form and Championship potential are unrelated is complete nonsense. By and large the best 16 teams in the county compete in the SFC and the next best 16 in the IFC, every year. There will occasionally be one or two teams who end up at the wrong grade, but this is always rectified within one season.

The concept of electing your grade just throws up too many anomalies, mainly caused by greed and/or stupidity from clubs with an inflated opinion of their worth, or clubs who spy an opportunity to pick up easy silverware.

Using this concept, Bryansford could elect to play IFC next season. Well, it would be a pretty f**king pointless competition if they did. In that case, they might as well give the 'Ford a bye into Ulster. Meanwhile, the SFC would be half full of clubs who haven't a hope of progressing unless they meet other clubs who would rather compete in a prestigious competition than at their natural level. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 14, 2007, 09:59:00 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 14, 2007, 08:29:18 AM
Sorry 6th Sam, but if Down actually played Championship football for more than 5 weeks a year, your argument might hold some water. In this case, it doesn't.

Ballyholland and Saval got promoted from Division II, despite being the hardest hit in terms of county numbers in that division. Dundrum got promoted to Division II despite being without their star player for those 5-6 weeks.

Drumgath might have endured a handful of tough weeks without their county trio, but the absence of two of their other players to America for most of the season was more telling. Even more telling was getting rid of their manager early in the season and the stinking attitude of a number of their players.


For the record, I believe the way our Championships are filled is the single fairest method of any. To suggest that league form and Championship potential are unrelated is complete nonsense. By and large the best 16 teams in the county compete in the SFC and the next best 16 in the IFC, every year. There will occasionally be one or two teams who end up at the wrong grade, but this is always rectified within one season.

The concept of electing your grade just throws up too many anomalies, mainly caused by greed and/or stupidity from clubs with an inflated opinion of their worth, or clubs who spy an opportunity to pick up easy silverware.

Using this concept, Bryansford could elect to play IFC next season. Well, it would be a pretty f**king pointless competition if they did. In that case, they might as well give the 'Ford a bye into Ulster. Meanwhile, the SFC would be half full of clubs who haven't a hope of progressing unless they meet other clubs who would rather compete in a prestigious competition than at their natural level. 


Wobbler,I would NOT be in favour of clubs choosing their own championship status.
It would be chosen the first year on league position[as currently] and in subsequent years on  performance over an extended championship-the details of which I'll not bore you with now.

As for Ballyholland and Saval,they are both good sides and they have rarely been out of the top 4 of div 2 or bottom 4 of div 1.Inevitably if they manage to reach the promotion playoffs-they will be well equipped to win them with their county men back.Yet consistently,they have to play a large number of their division 1 league games which leaves them in the bottom 4 of div 1 and back to the grind of playoffs. Is it any coincidence then that  county players pick up so many injuries,wobbler.There must be a better way!Even small changes to the current system ,could improve the lot of all clubs,and also the county.Why do you so jealously guard the old system in it's entirety,wobbler?
Any system that has a ridiculously compacted season of less than 5 months for some clubs is selling the GAA short.In reality,the vast majority of GAA grounds in the county have no competitive senior football for 7 months of the year.How do we expect to promote our games in our parishes on the basis of that?Look at the season long high profile of club football in Derry this year,as a result of their round-robin championship.Think of the promotional value of these championship games for every club.Yet the knockout element is still maintained.
Playoffs:Despite my own club being directly involved in many successful playoff campaigns over the years,the unpredictable dates,times,delayed conclusions and general chaos associated with the current playoff system caused the premature retirement of many in our club who had work or family comittments.
Burnout/injury risk:How can we justify asking amateur players to play 4 games in 10 days,particularly if some have county games or training on top of that?
I could go on wobbler,but I would value your opinion on how we solve these problems-or at least a recognition that they exist.
Our club  system is probably better than most counties-but that doesn't mean it can't be improved further.
Personally,I think the only way to resolve this issue is to have an annual fixtures meeting in the county.The initial meeting should follow the national special congress in january on club/fixtures/burnout,so that we can ensure we address any proposals agreed upon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 14, 2007, 11:02:02 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 14, 2007, 09:59:00 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 14, 2007, 08:29:18 AM
Sorry 6th Sam, but if Down actually played Championship football for more than 5 weeks a year, your argument might hold some water. In this case, it doesn't.

Ballyholland and Saval got promoted from Division II, despite being the hardest hit in terms of county numbers in that division. Dundrum got promoted to Division II despite being without their star player for those 5-6 weeks.

Drumgath might have endured a handful of tough weeks without their county trio, but the absence of two of their other players to America for most of the season was more telling. Even more telling was getting rid of their manager early in the season and the stinking attitude of a number of their players.


For the record, I believe the way our Championships are filled is the single fairest method of any. To suggest that league form and Championship potential are unrelated is complete nonsense. By and large the best 16 teams in the county compete in the SFC and the next best 16 in the IFC, every year. There will occasionally be one or two teams who end up at the wrong grade, but this is always rectified within one season.

The concept of electing your grade just throws up too many anomalies, mainly caused by greed and/or stupidity from clubs with an inflated opinion of their worth, or clubs who spy an opportunity to pick up easy silverware.

Using this concept, Bryansford could elect to play IFC next season. Well, it would be a pretty f**king pointless competition if they did. In that case, they might as well give the 'Ford a bye into Ulster. Meanwhile, the SFC would be half full of clubs who haven't a hope of progressing unless they meet other clubs who would rather compete in a prestigious competition than at their natural level. 


Wobbler,I would NOT be in favour of clubs choosing their own championship status.
It would be chosen the first year on league position[as currently] and in subsequent years on  performance over an extended championship-the details of which I'll not bore you with now.

As for Ballyholland and Saval,they are both good sides and they have rarely been out of the top 4 of div 2 or bottom 4 of div 1.Inevitably if they manage to reach the promotion playoffs-they will be well equipped to win them with their county men back.Yet consistently,they have to play a large number of their division 1 league games which leaves them in the bottom 4 of div 1 and back to the grind of playoffs. Is it any coincidence then that  county players pick up so many injuries,wobbler.There must be a better way!Even small changes to the current system ,could improve the lot of all clubs,and also the county.Why do you so jealously guard the old system in it's entirety,wobbler?
Any system that has a ridiculously compacted season of less than 5 months for some clubs is selling the GAA short.In reality,the vast majority of GAA grounds in the county have no competitive senior football for 7 months of the year.How do we expect to promote our games in our parishes on the basis of that?Look at the season long high profile of club football in Derry this year,as a result of their round-robin championship.Think of the promotional value of these championship games for every club.Yet the knockout element is still maintained.
Playoffs:Despite my own club being directly involved in many successful playoff campaigns over the years,the unpredictable dates,times,delayed conclusions and general chaos associated with the current playoff system caused the premature retirement of many in our club who had work or family comittments.
Burnout/injury risk:How can we justify asking amateur players to play 4 games in 10 days,particularly if some have county games or training on top of that?
I could go on wobbler,but I would value your opinion on how we solve these problems-or at least a recognition that they exist.
Our club  system is probably better than most counties-but that doesn't mean it can't be improved further.
Personally,I think the only way to resolve this issue is to have an annual fixtures meeting in the county.The initial meeting should follow the national special congress in january on club/fixtures/burnout,so that we can ensure we address any proposals agreed upon.

A good friend of mine maintains nobody attended these games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 14, 2007, 03:27:41 PM
At the moment I just think Down club football is weak. I think the way we operate our Championships is reasonable enough. However, I would make one amendment to the structure.
I think that a club should be allowed to compete in a Championship for a maximum of two years.
For example if Bryansford finish mid table in Division 2 in 2008 (thus gaining them IFC status for 2009) then regardless if they get promoted back to Division 1 in 2009 they should be allowed to play IFC again in 2010.
Obviously the only exception being that if they win the IFC at the first time of asking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 14, 2007, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on November 14, 2007, 11:02:02 AM

A good friend of mine maintains nobody attended these games.

Fair point.I have no idea what the actual attendance figures were [though attendance is not the only measure of whether a fixture is worthwhile or not].However there is no doubt that the round-robin concept brought a freshness to the Derry championship,and prominent publicity throughout the year.Most importantly,it gave all players in the county an extended championship run,yet it still maintained a knockout system.

In any event,would it kill us to try something new?

In my opinion our current club system is stale,unpopular with the majority of players in the county,and may be contributing to our lack of success.
A few changes surely must be worth a try-it's no big deal!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 14, 2007, 09:33:52 PM
QuoteIt would be chosen the first year on league position[as currently] and in
subsequent years on  performance over an extended championship-the details of which I'll
not bore you with now
.
Two points:
1. Please don't try to tell me that a team's genuine position within the county can be
more accurately gauged by how they perform in a one-off knockout game than to how they
perform over a 22 game league.
2. No matter how you administer the system you propose, it will require someone to make a
final decision on who leaves each competition, and who joins each competition, every year.
If there is a man in Down football willing to take on that job, it is only because they don't
have the wisdom to do it proprtly and fairly. You cannot, for example, possibly suggest that a beaten
IFC finalist who came through the weak half of the draw is more deserving of an SFC place
than the team knocked out by Mayobridge in Round 1.


QuoteAs for Ballyholland and Saval,they are both good sides and they have rarely been
out of the top 4 of div 2 or bottom 4 of div 1.Inevitably if they manage to reach the
promotion playoffs they will be well equipped to win them with their county men back.Yet
consistently,they have to play a large number of their division 1 league games which
leaves them in the bottom 4 of div 1 and back to the grind of playoffs. Is it any
coincidence then that  county players pick up so many injuries,wobbler.
1. Every team they play in Division I (apart from maybe Kilcoo) is in the same boat as
Ballyholland and Saval, and this balances it all up. On all evidence of the last times
these sides were in Division I, whether fixtures are starred are not makes little
difference to their form. They play better teams when everyone is available.
2. County players spend a lot of time injured principally because a) they train too hard,
b) there is a culture in GAA of training and playing when injured (to do with patriotism),
c) they lift so many weights they think they are indestructible, and to a lesser extent,
d) club referees in Down give them no protection whatsoever. They aren't injured though
through too much football. I'd estimate that from January to October 2007, Ronan Murtagh
played 30 games (6 NL games, 4 CC games, 14 ACFL games, 3 IFC games, 3 play-off games).
Over 40 weeks, really, it's not that much. 

QuoteThere must be a better way!Even small changes to the current system ,could improve
the lot of all clubs,and also the county.Why do you so jealously guard the old system in
it's entirety,wobbler?
I don't jealously guard the 'old system'. I'm old enough to remember seasons being
finished out in January because the County Board weren't sharp enough and weren't strict
enough to force a manageable fixture list through. For this reason I object strongly to
any attempts to add more fixtures to the calendar. Club players get a minimum 23 games.
Add in friendlies, Ulster Leagues, Sevens, Tournaments, etc., and they are kept very
active.

QuoteAny system that has a ridiculously compacted season of less than 5 months for some
clubs is selling the GAA short.In reality,the vast majority of GAA grounds in the county
have no competitive senior football for 7 months of the year.
I fully believe that Gaelic Football is a much more skilful, enjoyable and entertaining
pursuit in the summer time. I have memories of playing a reserve competition in December
and January as a teenager, and they aren't happy memories. Maybe yours are different, but
I have no great longing to play, or to attend football in th winter months unless it's
strictly my choice.


QuoteHow do we expect to promote our games in our parishes on the basis of that?Look at
the season long high profile of club football in Derry this year,as a result of their
round-robin championship.Think of the promotional value of these championship games for
every club.Yet the knockout element is still maintained.
My name is Anthony McNamee, I live in Ballyholland and I will wager £500 with you now that
Derry returns to the more conventional format within 5 years. Round-robin tournaments only
work when there is serious competition. The Derry Championship might be as competitive as
it gets, but there are still too many dirt-trackers. As for implementing it in County Down, why add another 30 games to the SFC to find out Mayobridge are the best team in the county. 

QuotePlayoffs:Despite my own club being directly involved in many successful playoff campaigns over the years,the unpredictable dates,times,delayed conclusions and general chaos associated with the current playoff system caused the premature retirement of many in our club who had work or family comittments.
You were complaining earlier that clubs can't keep players because there aren't enough games. Please make up your mind. My only objection to the play-offs is that the lag between the normal league ending and them beginning is often too long. But, with the Championships rounding up at that time of year, it is understandable. Regarding the play-offs, they are an entirely fair way of gauging whether a team is fit for the next tier up. If you aren't better than the 3rd and 4th best teams in your division, you have no place higher up. But, and this is the bottom line, if we are to play any senior football during May and June - when Down are playing - then we need a play-off system. It's that simple.

QuoteBurnout/injury risk:How can we justify asking amateur players to play 4 games in 10
days,particularly if some have county games or training on top of that?
I could go on wobbler,but I would value your opinion on how we solve these problems-or at
least a recognition that they exist.
There was a genuinely frantic start to the 2007 season, I'll give you that. My own hope is that next year we start a week earlier and go towards fixing that problem. But you have to admit, when club players all over the county are bored out of their wits in May, we're playing football at possibly the nicest team of year to do so.
Also, when you use the word 'problems', you are taking it too far. The Down football leagues run quickly, smoothly and with a few notable exceptions (the Drumgath affair), are  issue free. I always say this when people complain - Gaels in our county don't realise just how good they have it. Instead of whinging, moaning and ridiculing the county board because you are little bored with GAA in the county, try commending them for what they have done every once in a while. Our problems compared to those in other counties is like comparing acne with cancer.

QuoteOur club  system is probably better than most counties-but that doesn't mean it can't be
improved further.
Personally,I think the only way to resolve this issue is to have an annual fixtures
meeting in the county.The initial meeting should follow the national special congress in
january on club/fixtures/burnout,so that we can ensure we address any proposals agreed
upon.
Rosskarr beat me to it here, but the County Board's hands are actually tied on this matter. The clubs have twice voted against change in the past season. It would seem a lot of clubs are reluctant to give up the status quo. Until that changes, none of you ideas, my ideas, or Kevin Bell's ideas have a chance in hell of coming to pass.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on November 14, 2007, 09:41:30 PM
I don't think the League or Chamionship structure is the problem. The structure hasn't been to blame for our horrendous county championship form over the last few years, nor has it caused our club representatives to flop in the Ulster club championship.
We are years behind the other Ulster counties when it comes to developments squads, coaching, fitness, training methods, facilities etc etc. Look at OwenBeg, Cookstown etc. Look at the workshops being held all over Ulster (seldom in Down). Look at the attendance at these workshops - usually Tyrone, Derry, Armagh etc.
The Co Board needs to get its act together - and fast, otherwise we have another 10 years in the wilderness ahead of us.
We will always produce good players, some school teams will do well and if they get a good crop the Minors might as well - but the last 2 years Minor performances say more about us then '05 I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 15, 2007, 03:46:09 PM
st pauls/pol
have youse lodged your appeal yet about the playoffs. did u hear what mitchels claimed at theirs to win it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on November 15, 2007, 11:09:42 PM
Quote from: off the laces on November 15, 2007, 03:46:09 PM
st pauls/pol
have youse lodged your appeal yet about the playoffs. did u hear what mitchels claimed at theirs to win it?

Our appeal has been sent to the County Board...The saga is set to continue :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on November 16, 2007, 10:23:54 AM
Quote from: off the laces on November 15, 2007, 03:46:09 PM
st pauls/pol
have youse lodged your appeal yet about the playoffs. did u hear what mitchels claimed at theirs to win it?

Mitchels only appealled to get their 2 points from the Drumgath W/O given back to them and won as far as I know.

Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on November 15, 2007, 11:09:42 PM
Quote from: off the laces on November 15, 2007, 03:46:09 PM
st pauls/pol
have youse lodged your appeal yet about the playoffs. did u hear what mitchels claimed at theirs to win it?

Our appeal has been sent to the County Board...The saga is set to continue :-\

our appeal was sent to the county board and over turned last night!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 16, 2007, 10:39:41 AM
Wobbler ,much as I would like to respond to your reply ,I'll resist the temptation to answer each point,especially since I won't have time to reply to your potential reply to my reply :D.
However,let's concentrate on a few things we could agree on.
1.The Down leagues have alot going for them compared to other counties-fair play to the CB.
2.However the leagues are far from perfect and Minor adjustments would answer most of my concerns.
3.Summer football good,winter football bad--let's get more games for ALL in the good weather months.Ensure a rigid closed season.
4.Rigid pre-planned dates/times for ALL matches--This is a must,and is definitely achievable.
5.Fixtures workshop after special congress on burnout/club fixtures in January.
6.Pre-warn clubs that their league position at the end of 2008 may determine their league status for 2009 ,in the event of any reorganisation of the leagues.[so we can avoid any appeals and counter appeals--"we werent told we could be relegated"]
Title: Fill in the blanks please
Post by: amallon on November 16, 2007, 07:16:35 PM
S F C    Mayobridge   Longstone
I F C    Ballymartin
J F C      
P R F C      
R F C    Burren   
M F C    Rostrevor Saval   
U – 16 F C      
U –14  FC      
U – 12 F C       
      
      
            

FEIS   SEVENS

SeniorFootball      
Junior Football      
Minor Football      
Senior Hurling      
Junior Hurling      
Senior Camogie      
Minor Camogie      
      
   


               HURLING

S H C      
I H C      
J H C      
Minor Championship      
U-16  Championship      
U –14  Championship      
U – 14B Championship      
U – 14C Championship      
U – 12 Championship      
U- 12 B Championship      
Betsy Gray Cup      
Betsy Gray Shield      
U – 16 League      
Feile Div 1      
League Div 11      
Minor League      
U – 14 League  Div  1      
U  - 14  League  11      

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 16, 2007, 07:26:03 PM
S F C    Mayobridge   Longstone
I F C    Ballymartin
J F C      Bosco bt St Michaels
P R F C     Clonduff bt Burren
R F C    Burren   
M F C    Rostrevor Saval   
U – 16 F C      Kilcoo bt Ballyholland
U –14  FC     
U – 12 F C       
     
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 16, 2007, 07:39:34 PM
U –14  FC      Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 16, 2007, 07:41:27 PM
U-16 Hurling  Championship  Bredagh   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on November 16, 2007, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 16, 2007, 07:29:20 PM
Did Ballymartin beat Downpatrick?
Not since the Pope was an Altar Boy. Hoops met them 3 times this year and won all 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on November 16, 2007, 10:48:00 PM
I believe we need a change to 'freshen up' the leagues we have.  The playoffs were initiated in the mid 90's to facilitate the club player who was left 'kicking his heels' with little football, as there were no club league games while Down were doing well in Ulster.  There were even Supplementary Leagues put in place to keep club football going then. 

Yet in the last 10+ years the Down Senior team has done nothing.  I remember in the late 90's that the County players would have trained quite often with their clubs - now, their rarely train until Down are knocked out of the Championship (as early as this might be).  As the former County players of the great Burren team how many times they trained with Down and how many with Burren, at this time.  There were quite a number of them involved with Down at the time but I guarantee they never shirked their responsibilities with their club.

We have too many 'stars' who would rather play with Down than give their clubs a fair go.  Putting less emphasis on training for Down, like it used to be, and making County players train and play with their clubs, like it used to be, might be a start.  Since these changes have been put in place we have won nothing - is there any coincidence in this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 17, 2007, 12:02:41 AM
S F C    Mayobridge
I F C    Ballymartin
J F C   Bosco   
P R F C    Burren/Clonduff 
R F C    Burren   
M F C    Rostrevor
M F C B  Clonduff
U – 16A F C Kilcoo
U – 16B F C   Drumgath   
U –14A  FC   Kilcoo   
U - 14B FC        Bosco
     
     
           

FEIS   SEVENS

SeniorFootball   Kilcoo
Junior Football  Dundrum   
Minor Football   Kilcoo   
Senior Hurling   ???? 
Junior Hurling    Ballela 
Senior Camogie   Clonduff   
Minor Camogie      Clonduff
     
   


               HURLING

S H C    Ballycran 
I H C      Liatriom
J H C      Bredagh
Minor Championship     
U-16  Championship     BAllygalget
U –14  Championship      Portaferry
U – 14B Championship     Liatroim
U – 14C Championship     
U – 12 Championship     
U- 12 B Championship     
Betsy Gray Cup     
Betsy Gray Shield     
U – 16 League     
Feile Div 1      Portaferry
League Div 11     
Minor League     Warrenpoint/ Kilcleif
U – 14 League  Div  1  Portaferry
U  - 14  League  11     

ALSO

All county Minor league - Burren
All County u16 league - Mayobridge

U14 Feiles
A Kilcoo
B Clonduff

East Down
u14 A FC Kilcoo
u14 B FC Darragh Cross
u16A Kilcoo
u16 B St Josephs

Leagues
u14 A Kilcoo
u14 B Saul
u14 C St Pauls
u16 A Bredagh
u16 B St Josephs
Minor A Loughinisland
Minor B Kilclief

South Down
Championships
u14A Shamrocks
u14B Bosco
u16 A Ballyholland
u16 B Drumgath

Leagues
u14A Burren
u14B An Riocht
u14C Atticall
u16A Bosco/Rostrevor
u16B Tullylish/ Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on November 17, 2007, 01:25:00 AM
Starred games have been the ruination of football in Down, impacting negatively on the standards of both club and county. Our County men need to be playing club football to sharpen and maintain their skills.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 17, 2007, 10:00:02 AM
Boys Liatroim didn't win the IHC. Ballycran beat Ballygalget in the final. As Max Boyce would say "I know cause I was there". As was Johonnycool.
Liatoim represented Down in Ulster because reserve teams can't enter the Ulster championships.
Are tjhese the league postions?

Football Leagues

Div 1
-----
An Riocht

Relegated:
Bryansford
Annaclone

Div 2
-----
Saval Champions
Ballyholland Runners Up

Relegated:
Glassdrumman
Carryduff

Div 3
-----
Dundrum Champions
Tullylish Runners Up

Relegated:
Mitchels (Pending appeal)
Bright

Div 4-----
Drumaness Champions
St Michaels Runners Up

Hurling Leagues

Div 1
-------
Portaferry Champions
Shamrocks Runners Up

Relegated:
Ballela

Div 2
-----
Bredagh Champions
Ballycran Runners Up



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on November 17, 2007, 12:10:57 PM
Lecale, Attical went down with Bryansford not Annaclone!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on November 17, 2007, 05:42:29 PM
Dont think Ballela are goin down to Division 2. Ballela and Kilclief are kept in Div1(plus Bredagh) making it an 8 team league and Lecale could probably shed more light but i'd heard Bredagh were putting their seconds in Div2 also making it an 8 team league.

Ballela didnt win the junior feis, liatroim beat us in the senior final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 17, 2007, 05:56:47 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on November 17, 2007, 05:42:29 PM
Dont think Ballela are goin down to Division 2. Ballela and Kilclief are kept in Div1(plus Bredagh) making it an 8 team league and Lecale could probably shed more light but i'd heard Bredagh were putting their seconds in Div2 also making it an 8 team league.

Ballela didnt win the junior feis, liatroim beat us in the senior final.
Bredagh wouldn't have the numbers to field two teams in Down on the same night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 18, 2007, 11:29:50 PM
At the Club Down dinner the other night, Dan Gordon gave the most impressive speech I have heard from a Down player in many years. He was articulate, realistic and entirely focused on the championship. I always regarded him as one of the quieter members of the squad, but there is obviously some depth to him as well. If he is confirmed as captain for 2008, perhaps our prospects are not as bleak as we might have feared.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 19, 2007, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 18, 2007, 11:29:50 PM
At the Club Down dinner the other night, Dan Gordon gave the most impressive speech I have heard from a Down player in many years. He was articulate, realistic and entirely focused on the championship. I always regarded him as one of the quieter members of the squad, but there is obviously some depth to him as well. If he is confirmed as captain for 2008, perhaps our prospects are not as bleak as we might have feared.


As long as he didn't use the often repeated mantra of the last couple of Down Capts. regarding certain people stepping up to the plate or standing up and being counted .
Rover , When you say he was realistic what was his forecast  ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on November 19, 2007, 10:32:26 AM
 What sort of function was it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 19, 2007, 11:20:22 AM
In regards to filling in the blanks, Dundrum did not win the Junior Feis 7s in 2007. We won it in 2006.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on November 19, 2007, 01:50:46 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 19, 2007, 11:20:22 AM
In regards to filling in the blanks, Dundrum did not win the Junior Feis 7s in 2007. We won it in 2006.

St Johns won it in 2007, beat Tullylish in the final.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 19, 2007, 09:53:51 PM
Dan Gordon did not make any forecasts during his speech. He simply said that he owed the GAA a debt, rather than the other way round, that as far as he was concerned his career at intercounty level had not yet started and that he was determined to see an improvement in Down football, beginning this summer. In accepting the Breen Morgan award, he said he had intended to say what a gentleman Breen was until a close relative told him that Breen was the sort of player who would have cut you in two to win the ball. He put it all a little more eloquently than it may read, and he got a great response from his audience.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 20, 2007, 08:56:19 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 19, 2007, 09:53:51 PM
Dan Gordon did not make any forecasts during his speech. He simply said that he owed the GAA a debt, rather than the other way round, that as far as he was concerned his career at intercounty level had not yet started and that he was determined to see an improvement in Down football, beginning this summer. In accepting the Breen Morgan award, he said he had intended to say what a gentleman Breen was until a close relative told him that Breen was the sort of player who would have cut you in two to win the ball. He put it all a little more eloquently than it may read, and he got a great response from his audience.


Maybe he will start to play like that now and begin to deliver - he has been very average this past three seasons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on November 20, 2007, 11:52:29 AM
Anyone know when different clubs are beginning training for next season, i dread the thought of it to be honest!! Mid March would suit me but there's talk of the start of January for a lot of clubs i've been hearing!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 20, 2007, 12:01:23 PM
I would disagree with you Spirit in regards to your opinion on Dan Gordan. I think he has probably been our most consistent performer these past few years. I still think there is a lot to come from him when Ross sorts out a viable midfield partner for him.
Just when we are on the Down team, has anybody got any recommendations for the full back slot yet?
Think im gonna nip down to Newcastle tonight. Down are playin Queens in a Challenge. Would be good to cast a few glances over our new pack.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 20, 2007, 12:21:53 PM
DownFanatic - I don't know if you are keen or just pure mad to be going to look at this training match tonight.  :) 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 20, 2007, 12:26:04 PM
Im just very keen amallon. Sure It'll give us something to talk about tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 20, 2007, 12:47:15 PM
Fair play Fanatic , would be interested to know who he is trying at the back even at this early stage . Who are his realistic options there anyway ?
McCartan , Cole , Raffertry , Doyle , Murphy , Doran  , Barry , Skullion (has he left ?) Murtagh , any others ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 20, 2007, 01:44:56 PM
Fanatic,
I watched them v UUJ 2 weeks ago and guess who was the best player on the pitch - - - - - - - - - - - -James Colgan - playing for UUJ!!!!
Some lad Hurley from Dundrum at number 5 - easily the worst ever Down player i have ever seen.
Conor Gribben No.11 Packie Downey No.15 and Jack Lynch No.9 only worth the run-out that night but will they be contenders?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on November 20, 2007, 02:04:11 PM
i was at the dinner last friday night and dan gordan spoke very well. in relation to his displays for down, he was easily downs best player this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 20, 2007, 02:24:37 PM
Some interesting comments there Spirit. ;D
Infact Hurley didn't start against UUJ nor was he wearing the Number 5 shirt. He came on and played corner back as far as im aware.

I think by now everyone knows that Colgan has been kicked off the panel. He has definitely improved a hell of lot over the past 12 months. I think this is down to the fact that he got a considerable amount of club football over the past year. He has definitely improved 10 fold as a player but I suspect his attitude is not what it should be.
I rate Conor Gribben very highly and I think he should get an extended run with the team this year. He could contribute a whole lot. Packie Downey wont be anywhere near the team this year. He's a good player but I wouldnt like to see him up against the likes of Joe McMahon come Championship time. Jackie Lynch is a solid club player and will give his all but Paul Murphy is twice the player he is and should be starting alongside Dan in midfield this year.

By the way Spirit, how are Bryansford's preparations for Division 2 coming on? ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 20, 2007, 10:57:13 PM
Heard Dan Gordon got a great ovation at the event when he received the Breen Morgan Award. Also heard that  our former Chairman nearly bored the guests to death  even though he wasnt on the Clar. Typical.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 21, 2007, 08:41:12 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 20, 2007, 02:24:37 PM
Some interesting comments there Spirit. ;D
Infact Hurley didn't start against UUJ nor was he wearing the Number 5 shirt. He came on and played corner back as far as im aware.

I think by now everyone knows that Colgan has been kicked off the panel. He has definitely improved a hell of lot over the past 12 months. I think this is down to the fact that he got a considerable amount of club football over the past year. He has definitely improved 10 fold as a player but I suspect his attitude is not what it should be.
I rate Conor Gribben very highly and I think he should get an extended run with the team this year. He could contribute a whole lot. Packie Downey wont be anywhere near the team this year. He's a good player but I wouldnt like to see him up against the likes of Joe McMahon come Championship time. Jackie Lynch is a solid club player and will give his all but Paul Murphy is twice the player he is and should be starting alongside Dan in midfield this year.

By the way Spirit, how are Bryansford's preparations for Division 2 coming on? ;)

Well from being at the game and talking to other spectators present, this was the name I was given for the number 5 - but as far as you are aware i am wrong, ok. In fairness though I wouldn't be familiar with alot of the panel.

We all thought that of Packie Downey and Jack Lynch last year but they made the championship 15.
Colgan deserves a break - he went for a club meal at the end of the day resulting in him being excluded from a squad that badly needs a player of his calibre, I know alot will think different but this was surely a over reaction.

Bryansford boys are flat out in the new state of the art gym installed recently in their sports hall and several players have had operations that have been held up, they are also in the U20 county final and a spell in div 2 may well bring alot of these boys through to senior level, so all in all everything seems to be going ok.

Any reports from Newcastle last night?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on November 21, 2007, 02:35:39 PM
no i am not dan gordan, wish i was as good though.
to be fair to ross i dont think that he would kick out colgen just because he missed that one night. has he trained many nights with down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 21, 2007, 03:39:59 PM
more to it than the dinner dance incident!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 21, 2007, 04:11:51 PM
Went to the game last night. Queens won by about 6 or 7. Both teams fielded experimental lineups. The game was played in torrential rain and it made the match a bit of a lottery. Nevertheless Id say Ross has learned a good bit about his new recruits.

Here is the Down starting 15:

1. D.Alder (Carryduff)
2. M.Rooney (Carrickcruppen)
3. P.Turley (Downpatrick)
4. D.Turley (Downpatrick)
5. D.O'Hanlon (Ballymartin)
6. C.Murney (Rostrevor)
7. J.Hurley (Dundrum)
8. J.Lynch (Drumgath)
9. D.Rooney (Burren)
10. K.McKernan (Burren)
11. C.Gribben (Bryansford)
12. J.Fegan (Clonduff)
13. R.Stranney (Loughinisland)
14. C.Magee (Mayobridge)
15. P.Downey (Drumgath)

Dan Gordon (Loughinisland), Ronan Sexton (Mayobridge) and John McAreavey (Tullylish) came on at halftime while a further two subs came on midway through. I didnt recognise them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on November 21, 2007, 06:08:33 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 21, 2007, 04:11:51 PM
Went to the game last night. Queens won by about 6 or 7. Both teams fielded experimental lineups. The game was played in torrential rain and it made the match a bit of a lottery. Nevertheless Id say Ross has learned a good bit about his new recruits.

Here is the Down starting 15:

1. D.Alder (Carryduff)
2. M.Rooney (Carrickcruppen)
3. P.Turley (Downpatrick)
4. D.Turley (Downpatrick)
5. D.O'Hanlon (Ballymartin)
6. C.Murney (Rostrevor)
7. J.Hurley (Dundrum)
8. J.Lynch (Drumgath)
9. D.Rooney (Burren)
10. K.McKernan (Burren)
11. C.Gribben (Bryansford)
12. J.Fegan (Clonduff)
13. R.Stranney (Loughinisland)
14. C.Magee (Mayobridge)
15. P.Downey (Drumgath)

Dan Gordon (Loughinisland), Ronan Sexton (Mayobridge) and John McAreavey (Tullylish) came on at halftime while a further two subs came on midway through. I didnt recognise them.

Not the sort of team that would strike fear into an opposing team.  How many of these lads will even figure in the panel after Christmas never mind make the team for the first round of the championship?  While I have no problem with the management trying different options at this time of the year, I hope they don't continue this into the National League like they did last year.  If they do - its the Tommy Murphy Cup for us!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 23, 2007, 10:29:24 AM

ULSTER MINOR FOOTBALL LEAGUE

15th March


DOWN   V   DUBLIN   (Newcastle)

22nd March


DOWN   V   MONAGHAN  (Newry)

29th March


DOWN   V   MEATH  (Newcastle)

5th April


CAVAN   V   DOWN  (Newry)

12th April

ARMAGH   V   DOWN  (Crossmaglen)

How is this still an Ulster League?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 23, 2007, 11:57:39 AM
St Mary's beat Down 3-11 to 2-10 last night in Burren. This was the Down starting 15.

1. B.Connell (Drumgath)
2. C.McGovern (Burren)
3. D.McMeel (Warrenpoint)
4. D.McCartan (Burren)
5. J.McCarthy (Darragh Cross born and bred, Loughinisland signing)
6. P.Turley (Downpatrick)
7. E.McGuinness (Shamrocks)
8. D.Gordon (Loughinisland)
9. J.Lynch (Drumgath)
10. J.Fegan (Clonduff)
11. C.Gribben (Bryansford)
12. R.Sexton (Mayobridge)
13. R.Stranney (Loughinisland)
14. C.Magee (Mayobridge)
15. B.Sweeney (St M******s)

Sub: G.McArdle (Annaclone)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on November 23, 2007, 01:26:55 PM
Who played well for Down in the match against St Mary's??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on November 23, 2007, 06:00:30 PM
Who were the best Down palyers against St.mary's, How did B Sweeney get on?

Any1 know of any other games coming up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 23, 2007, 07:40:02 PM
Ive been to the past two Down games (Queens and St Mary's) and I would have to say that the player that has impressed me the most has been Jackie Lynch. Him and Dan Gordon seem to be gaining an understanding around the middle.
Bryansford's Conor Gribben has also showed up well and with a bit more physical training should be good enough for the panel. Clonduff's John Fegan has been lively and should go close. He seems a very intelligent player.
The best of the backs ive seen is Ciaran McGovern of Burren. He's an extremely tight marker and a good ball player.
One thing that I have noticed about the new defensive recruits is that while theyre all very comfortable on the ball they lack the speed and marking qualities of the Ryan McMenamin's and Michael McGoldrick's of this world.
On the goalkeeper front we are very thin on the ground with Brendan McVeigh no longer on the team. Alder has impressed me more than Connell and Id be plumping for him as Number 1 choice.
Milkman, Brian Sweeney is not county standard. He is an above average Junior club player.
I think Ross and DJ have to be commended for this trial system. There is no doubt that they will bring 4 or 5 of these boys in come National League time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on November 23, 2007, 08:11:08 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 23, 2007, 11:57:39 AM
St Mary's beat Down 3-11 to 2-10 last night in Burren. This was the Down starting 15.

1. B.Connell (Drumgath)
2. C.McGovern (Burren)
3. D.McMeel (Warrenpoint)
4. D.McCartan (Burren)
5. J.McCarthy (Darragh Cross born and bred, Loughinisland signing)
6. P.Turley (Downpatrick)
7. E.McGuinness (Shamrocks)
8. D.Gordon (Loughinisland)
9. J.Lynch (Drumgath)
10. J.Fegan (Clonduff)
11. C.Gribben (Bryansford)
12. R.Sexton (Mayobridge)
13. R.Stranney (Loughinisland)
14. C.Magee (Mayobridge)
15. B.Sweeney (St M******s)

Sub: G.McArdle (Annaclone)

Like a similar post I made earlier in the week, how many of these guys will be about in the Summer?  I agree with the idea that its good to experiment now but this is where it should end.  The Mc Kenna Cup isn't far away with the National League shortly after that.  We need to be getting our best team on the field at every opportunity from now on.  We have to build for Tyrone and it starts now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 27, 2007, 12:13:27 AM
If the odds listed by 5ive times are correct, our price is very poor value. Sligo hammered us in the first round of the qualifiers last year, and Fermanagh have been a much more consistant side than we have for the last four or five seasons. They each have new managers coming in, and they will probably expect to beat us. Fortunately, we have both of them at home. Our league campaign will probably stand or fall on the first round, which is when Sligo come to Newry.

The Ulster club championships, which finished at the weekend, presented a realistic picture of the standards in Down, with our senior, intermediate and junior representatives going out at the first hurdle. This has been a fairly regular pattern, and it is 20 years since our last senior club title at provincial level. By next summer, it will be 14 years since Down won an Ulster senior title as well.

The easy option is to blame the county board, but each individual club needs to take some responsibility. We are not producing sufficient players of inter-county standard, particularly in our defence, and that will have to change sooner or later. The Sligo game is as good a place to start as any. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 27, 2007, 09:10:17 AM
That's after cheering me right up , thks Rover .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 27, 2007, 09:11:19 AM
5iveTimes: Are they your odds or did you get them from a bookie?  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 27, 2007, 09:16:56 AM
Quote from: amallon on November 27, 2007, 09:11:19 AM
5iveTimes: Are they your odds or did you get them from a bookie?  
They are McGranaghan's odds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 27, 2007, 10:04:40 AM
jaysus sligo look good at 5-1, reigning connaght champions and even fermanagh, whay are down and louth ahead of these?do they know something we all dont?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 27, 2007, 10:34:55 AM
National Football League Division Three
100/30     Down ?
100/30     Louth              AWAY
5/1          Sligo                HOME
11/2        Wexford           AWAY
13/2        Fermanagh       HOME
7/1          Longford          HOME
7/1          Limerick           HOME
12/1        Leitrim             AWAY

I think this will be a tight enough division and I can't see any team going through it unbeaten.  Wexford seem to be a bit unrepdictable, you don't know what you will get from them.  Sligo will be tough to talk to as will Louth.  Fermanagh have gone back and I'd expect Down to beat them, I'm surprised Longford are as low as 7-1, did they not show a bit of promise last years in the championship?  Limerick have lost a few players to their hurlers and won't be as stong as they were a few years back, Down should beat them.  You'd have to expect to beat Leitrim as well even in Carrickonshanon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 27, 2007, 02:40:45 PM
Quote from: amallon on November 27, 2007, 10:34:55 AM
National Football League Division Three
100/30     Down ?
100/30     Louth              AWAY
5/1          Sligo                HOME
11/2        Wexford           AWAY
13/2        Fermanagh       HOME
7/1          Longford          HOME
7/1          Limerick           HOME
12/1        Leitrim             AWAY

I think this will be a tight enough division and I can't see any team going through it unbeaten.  Wexford seem to be a bit unrepdictable, you don't know what you will get from them.  Sligo will be tough to talk to as will Louth.  Fermanagh have gone back and I'd expect Down to beat them, I'm surprised Longford are as low as 7-1, did they not show a bit of promise last years in the championship?  Limerick have lost a few players to their hurlers and won't be as stong as they were a few years back, Down should beat them.  You'd have to expect to beat Leitrim as well even in Carrickonshanon.

Cant  agree with you on this am
Did fermanagh not push Tyrone all the way in Ulster this year? And a new manager in Malachy O'Rourke they are bound to be on par with Down, Longford showed as much promise as Down in 2007 and Leitrim will be no push over theyhad a satisfactory championship on their terms and may well surprise alot of teams. Sligo and Down always a nailed draw in the league! Who will mark Mattie forde in Wexford?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 27, 2007, 03:40:54 PM
Going from memory I thought Fermanagh had a poor run in the qualifiers, not that Down were anything special either.  Maybe Fermanagh are one of the them teams that I just expect Down to beat.  As I said with Wexford they can go from brilliant to looking like the couldn't give a feck.  Down in Wexford, the model will probably be favourites.

Is there any county in this division which will go through their fixture list unbeaten.  I just can't see anyone doing it.  IMHO Limerick and Leitrim will be set adrift from the rest of the teams in this group and there will be only a couple of points between 1st and 6th.  Come the last day promotion will be still up for grabs for 5 or maybe even 6 teams.  There is no stand out teams in this division just a lot of evenly matches teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 27, 2007, 04:28:42 PM
Quote from: amallon on November 27, 2007, 03:40:54 PM
Going from memory I thought Fermanagh had a poor run in the qualifiers, not that Down were anything special either.  Maybe Fermanagh are one of the them teams that I just expect Down to beat.  As I said with Wexford they can go from brilliant to looking like the couldn't give a feck.  Down in Wexford, the model will probably be favourites.

Is there any county in this division which will go through their fixture list unbeaten.  I just can't see anyone doing it.  IMHO Limerick and Leitrim will be set adrift from the rest of the teams in this group and there will be only a couple of points between 1st and 6th.  Come the last day promotion will be still up for grabs for 5 or maybe even 6 teams.  There is no stand out teams in this division just a lot of evenly matches teams.

Will Benny and all the bridge contingment be back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 27, 2007, 04:37:47 PM
Benny has to go for an operation on his ankle.  He may have it done already I'm not sure.  Michael Walsh is studying in England so he isn't part of the panel, I'd expect him back at some stage later in the year.  Ronan Sexton and Cathal Magee are training and playing away with them, Brendan Rooney has a back injury and I don't know how long that will keep him out.  I don't even know if Noel Sexton is part of the panel this year or not.  There hasn't been much football talk around the Bridge for a few weeks now, we had football overload for a while there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on November 27, 2007, 07:36:27 PM
It's convention time again. Any interesting motions going forward? Will anyone oppose Kevin Bell for Chairman? The hurling convention to tomorrow night in Castlewellan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on November 28, 2007, 05:58:41 PM
Anyone know the results from the Down u-14 & u-16 vocational schools finals today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 28, 2007, 07:13:39 PM
st columbans won the under 14 by a point and de la salle won the u 16 by 2 points
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 28, 2007, 07:49:30 PM
Right lads....An article in the Sunday Tribune sports magazine at the weekend on the top 50 Kerry players of all time and the "Princes of Pigskin" book got me thinking......who would be Down's top 25 of all time??


Here's my stab at it...there is nothing pre 1960 obviously and the 60s players would be based solely on what I heard from my Da and various other guys who were around then. BTW I have only included guys who have played Senior football so I had to omit Marty Clarke. I know I have made glaring omissions and maybe some of the older contributors on here will put me right about the 60s and 70s guys but here goes.


1. Sean O'Neill
2. Colm McAlarney
3. Greg Blaney
4. Paddy Doherty
5. Mickey Linden
6  Wee James
7. Ross Carr
8. Benny Coulter
9. Oul James
10. Tom O'Hare
11. Joe Lennon
12 Ambrose Rogers RIP
13. Barry Breen
14. Cathal Digney
15. Paddy Kennedy
16. Mark Turley
17. Conor Deegan
18. Dan McCartan
19. Brendan Mason
20. Shorty Trainor
21. D J Kane
22. Neil Collins
23. Gary Mason
24. Paul Higgins
25. Paddy O'Rourke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 28, 2007, 10:14:08 PM
It's a grand list 5 Sams.

Only points I'll make are that Mickey McVeigh was a better keeper than Collins, and that Tommy McGovern and Brendan McGovern were both better footballers than their clubmate at no.25. But as they didn't save a penalty in a final, nor captain Down to an All-Ireland, I wouldn't even suggest a change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on November 28, 2007, 11:02:05 PM
Not so sure about Shorty Trainor on that list. He was prob one of the best club players around but did he actually re-produce that form he showed for Burren when he was playing for Down?
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 28, 2007, 11:30:27 PM
Fair enough points lads.

In reply...Wobbs I take your point about Mickey McVeigh but I dont remember Collins making boobs like Mickey did V Donegal. And as you say Collins has the Celtic crosses in the arse pocket.

I thought about including Brendy to the exclusion of POR but the 91 hoof into the Hogan swung it for him.

5ive Times....sorry... but Blaney swopping with McAlarney is simply not negotiable....if my da and everyone else in Down werent so certain about Sean O'Neill at the top of the list then Arkle would be there. McAlarney is the best I've ever seen...full stop.

As for Peter Rooney....I dont know enough about him....I saw him play in the twilight of his career 10 years after he won the AIF in 68 so I cant include him ....also he hasnt been mentioned in the same breath as O'Neill, Paddy Mo et al.


I take your point about Shorty Corporal....maybe I should swop him for Gregory????



Keep her lit lads....what about guys I have omitted such as Benjy Toner, Willie Walsh, Rusty McAulfield, Shane Mulholland, Tony McArdle, John Kelly, Aidan Brown, Vincey McGovern, Slim Donnan, Ned King, the list goes on.....


EDIT: I have just realised that I havent included Liam Austin in any of the lists above but I honestly dont think that he was in the same league as any of the guys above...All Star or no All Star...what do yiz think????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 29, 2007, 12:23:51 AM
5 Sams has produced a reasonable list, but I would have a few quibbles. Benny is potentially a great Down great, but he has never played a single senior championship game at Croke Park. Until he does, he should not be in the top 20 never mind the top ten. DJ only ever got to play four senior championship games at HQ but he won them all and lifted Sam along the way. That has to put him in the top ten.

I would rate Tommy McGovern as the best Down player who never won a county all-Ireland, and he has to be be in there somewhere. So do Gregory and (just about) big Austin.

The top six from 5 Sams are probably correct, although we might argue about the proper order. Ross was also a very fine player, but not too many Down fans would put his ahead of James senior.

If we run an updated list at this time next year, would there be any new entries ? I doubt it, but we live in hope.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 29, 2007, 12:43:22 AM
Happy days lads..thats why I put the list up...to get a bit of discussion going. 


100% Mourne Rover...As I said I knew there was a glaring omission...and Tommy McGovern is the one...he should be in there around no 13 or 14...keep her lit and we'll get the top 30!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 29, 2007, 09:09:51 AM
Mourne Rover - Benny might never get the chance to play for Down in Croker but that won't be his fault.  He'll just be unlucky that he didn't have a strong Down team around him.  It would be harsh to omit him from the list on that basis.  Imagine if he'd been playing full forward in the 94 team, we'd have beaten a lot of teams out the gate and would have won more AI's.

I'd be keeping Shorty on the list and trying to find a place for Gregory.  I've heard Peter Rooney was a class act.  I remember one sports day in St. Marks we were kicking about on the pitch when Peter Rooney came down and said give us the ball.  He said "crossbar" before hitting the cross bar from 30 yards, then did it again.  Not bad for a man in his 50's at the time!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 29, 2007, 10:09:44 AM
wasnt Arkle, Rooney, Purdy and a few others in their late teens in '68 if memory serves me right when they had won the All Ireland with  Down not to mention a Hogan Cup for St Colman's (Purdy & Rooney).
quite a feat for a collective group of teenagers to be able to blossom at such a young age. Although these guys were young men at that stage, its such a pity we dont see the same fruition of young talent in the county today.

Coulter's talent/ability is undoubtable but is it not shown moreso because of the mediocraty of the teammates he has around him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on November 29, 2007, 11:59:51 AM
I have only just found this gaa board discussion place.  I am pleased to find a place with knowledgeable comments. I have now bookmarked it for future  use!

To add something to the current discussion of Down's greatest,  how about John O'Hare?   Who? some people will ask, but that is only because he was pre 1960.  Played for Castlewellan, Down and Ulster.

I am not old enough to remember him playing, but then again I am not old enough to remember the teams of the 60's either.  My  grandfather used to rave about him, and my father still does.  As far as I know, he still holds the record for the number of Railway cup winners medals for a Down player. Perhaps someone else can verify?

here are a couple of links:
http://hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=8643 
http://www.irishnews.com/gaaworld/ulster/Down/Castlewellan/johnohare.html

perhaps it might answer the goalkeeper question  8)


Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 29, 2007, 12:07:36 PM
QuoteAs far as I know, he still holds the record for the number of Railway cup winners medals for a Down player. Perhaps someone else can verify?

As far as I know Seán O'Neill holds the all time record of eight medals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on November 29, 2007, 02:13:47 PM
the only one i would really argue with is that i would have paddy doherty at either one or two. i believe he held the highest scoring record in the ulster championship up until very recently. not sure but i think canavan overtook him( or mc conville) . that is ubelievable if you consider how poor the footballs were in that day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 29, 2007, 03:27:45 PM
i am with islandboy paddy would be above greg for me too and  could be tied with s o'neill
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 29, 2007, 04:06:16 PM
i hear they are tramping over the mournes again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 29, 2007, 04:28:59 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 28, 2007, 07:49:30 PM
Right lads....An article in the Sunday Tribune sports magazine at the weekend on the top 50 Kerry players of all time and the "Princes of Pigskin" book got me thinking......who would be Down's top 25 of all time??


Here's my stab at it...there is nothing pre 1960 obviously and the 60s players would be based solely on what I heard from my Da and various other guys who were around then. BTW I have only included guys who have played Senior football so I had to omit Marty Clarke. I know I have made glaring omissions and maybe some of the older contributors on here will put me right about the 60s and 70s guys but here goes.


1. Sean O'Neill
2. Colm McAlarney
3. Greg Blaney
4. Paddy Doherty
5. Mickey Linden
6  Wee James
7. Ross Carr
8. Benny Coulter
9. Oul James
10. Tom O'Hare
11. Joe Lennon
12 Ambrose Rogers RIP
13. Barry Breen
14. Cathal Digney
15. Paddy Kennedy
16. Mark Turley
17. Conor Deegan
18. Dan McCartan
19. Brendan Mason
20. Shorty Trainor
21. D J Kane
22. Neil Collins
23. Gary Mason
24. Paul Higgins
25. Paddy O'Rourke


Sorry 5 Sams you're afflicted by post 1980's syndrome. A list of 25 cannot be complete without the late great Breen Morgan. Also from the 50's and 60's George Lavery and Tony Hadden were absolute class. Go back a bit further and Briany Mc Cartan and Joker Carr are complete legends.

Even coming more up to date there can be no place for Shorty or Brendy Mason who never replicated club form in a county jersey - indisputable. There are so many players to prefer  - Mickey Cole, John Purdy, Patsy O'Hagan, even John Mc Cartan - in their place - yet I am not sure they would make the top 25.
Tommy Mc Govern is a must of the recent crop from pre-91 but I think Paddy Kennedy had really only one exceptional season and could not warrant a place. We have never seen the like of Brendan Sloan at corner back in recent times although Higgins comes close.
If POR is in as an All-Ireland captain they why not Kevin Mussen?

Best goalkeeper ever in a Down jersey was Slim Donnan - happened to play at an unfashionable time.

Very impressed with Digney but was he better than Willie Doyle?
Was Conor Deegan better than James Milligan?

Great stuff for argumenst but I think you need to redress the "ageism" of your selection.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on November 29, 2007, 04:48:07 PM
I agree with you Leo.

Also, Islandboy...   the highest scoring total previously held by Paddy Doherty was indeed overtaken recently.  But players are playing more games for their county in the modern game.  Paddy Doherty still holds the highest average score per game record.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on November 29, 2007, 05:23:53 PM
beautiful indeed.   I wish I had been around to have seen them in action...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on November 29, 2007, 05:30:43 PM
very intersting reading. they must have been brilliant to watch. all of us were lucky to see the brilliant down forward line of the 90's so those mentioned from the 60's must have been something else.

Quote from: western exile on November 29, 2007, 04:48:07 PM
I agree with you Leo.

Also, Islandboy...   the highest scoring total previously held by Paddy Doherty was indeed overtaken recently.  But players are playing more games for their county in the modern game.  Paddy Doherty still holds the highest average score per game record.


i dont doubt that. his reputation is enhanced even more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on November 29, 2007, 05:53:18 PM
What about George Lavery? Way before my time but I hear he was great
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 30, 2007, 08:59:05 AM
Why not make it a top 50 if everybody has different ideas?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 30, 2007, 11:30:07 AM

In my experience following the Down teams from 1960 era , these are my seiection of best players who play for Down Senior Football team.

1. Neil Collins, Carryduff
2. Tommy McGovern, Burren
3. Leo Murphy, Lisnarcree
4. Tom O'Hare, Mayobridge
5. Cathal Digney, Saval
6. Dan McCartan, Glenn
7. Joe Lennon, Aghderg
8. Colm McAlarney, Liatriom
9. Jarlath Carey, Dundrum
10. Greg Blaney, Carryduff
11. James McCartan (sen), Glenn
12. Paddy Doherty, Ballykinlar
13. Mickey Linden, Mayobridge
14. Sean O'Neill, Newry Mitchels
15. Ambrose Rodgers (sen) Longstone

My second selection

1.Micheal McVeigh
2.Brendan Sloan, Attical
3.Conor Deegan, Downpatrick
4. Mark Turley, Glenn
5. Pasty O'Hagan, Clonduff
6. Barry Breen, Downpatrick
7. DJ Kane, Newry Shamrocks
8. Liam Austin, Rostrevor
9. Brendan Toner, Castlewellan
10. Ross Carr, Clonduff
11. Dalsey Mooney, Clonduff
12. James McCartan (jun), Tullylish
13. Peter Rooney, Warrenpoint,
14. John McCartan, Glenn
15. Benny Coulter, Mayobridge.

Others players  who have also played well.
Geogre Lavery, Kilwarlin
Pat Rice, Castlewellan,
Kevin Mussen, Clonduff
Tony Hadden, Newry Shamrocks
Breen Morgan, Annaclone
Willie Doyle, Liatriom
James Milligan, Ardglass
Micheal Cole, Rostrevor
Micheal Cunningham, Bryansford
Cecil Ward, Bryansford
Adrain McAuilfield, St Mitchels
Paddy Kennedy, Glenn
Brendan McGovern, Burren
Jim McCartan, Glenn
Donal Bell, Teconnagh
Brendan Mason, Loughinisland
Paul Higgins, Ballymartin
Paddy O'Rourke, Burren
Gregory McCartan, Ballymartin
Eamon Burns Bryansford.
Gary Mason. Loughinisland
Best match
1994 in Celtic Park Derry, Down v Derry in Ulster Championship

Best individual performance
Tom O'Hare, Mayobridge in 1968 All Ireland Semi-final against great Galway side who have won three in row 64,65 and 66.

Top Ten players
1.   Sean O'Neill
2.   Tom O'Hare
3.   Colm McAlarnery
4.   Paddy Murphy
5.   James McCartan (sen)
6.   Greg Blaney
7.   Mickey Linden
8.   Leo Murphy
9.   Tommy McGovern
10. Joe Lennon

Best Down Club Player
Shorty Treanor Burren,
never made any impact on Down Senior team., should have been good enough for Down on 91 and 94 teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 30, 2007, 11:40:27 AM
In my experience following the Down teams from 1960 era , these are my seiection of best players who play for Down Senior Football team.

1. Neil Collins, Carryduff
2. Tommy McGovern, Burren
3. Leo Murphy, Lisnarcree
4. Tom O'Hare, Mayobridge
5. Cathal Digney, Saval
6. Dan McCartan, Glenn
7. Joe Lennon, Aghderg
8. Colm McAlarney, Liatriom
9. Jarlath Carey, Dundrum
10. Greg Blaney, Carryduff
11. James McCartan (sen), Glenn
12. Paddy Doherty, Ballykinlar
13. Mickey Linden, Mayobridge
14. Sean O'Neill, Newry Mitchels
15. Ambrose Rodgers (sen) Longstone

My second selection

1.Micheal McVeigh
2.Brendan Sloan, Attical
3.Conor Deegan, Downpatrick
4. Mark Turley, Glenn
5. Pasty O'Hagan, Clonduff
6. Barry Breen, Downpatrick
7. DJ Kane, Newry Shamrocks
8. Liam Austin, Rostrevor
9. Brendan Toner, Castlewellan
10. Ross Carr, Clonduff
11. Dalsey Mooney, Clonduff
12. James McCartan (jun), Tullylish
13. Peter Rooney, Warrenpoint,
14. John McCartan, Glenn
15. Benny Coulter, Mayobridge.

Others players  who have also played well.
Geogre Lavery, Kilwarlin
Pat Rice, Castlewellan,
Kevin Mussen, Clonduff
Tony Hadden, Newry Shamrocks
Breen Morgan, Annaclone
Willie Doyle, Liatriom
James Milligan, Ardglass
Micheal Cole, Rostrevor
Micheal Cunningham, Bryansford
Cecil Ward, Bryansford
Adrain McAuilfield, St Mitchels
Paddy Kennedy, Glenn
Brendan McGovern, Burren
Jim McCartan, Glenn
Donal Bell, Teconnagh
Brendan Mason, Loughinisland
Paul Higgins, Ballymartin
Paddy O'Rourke, Burren
Gregory McCartan, Ballymartin
Eamon Burns Bryansford.
Gary Mason. Loughinisland
Best match
1994 in Celtic Park Derry, Down v Derry in Ulster Championship

Best individual performance
Tom O'Hare, Mayobridge in 1968 All Ireland Semi-final against great Galway side who have won three in row 64,65 and 66.

Top Ten players
1.   Sean O'Neill
2.   Tom O'Hare
3.   Colm McAlarnery
4.   Paddy Doherty
5.   James McCartan (sen)
6.   Greg Blaney
7.   Mickey Linden
8.   Leo Murphy
9.   Tommy McGovern
10. Joe Lennon

Best Down Club Player
Shorty Treanor Burren,
never made any impact on Down Senior team., should have been good enough for Down on 91 and 94 teams.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 30, 2007, 11:47:34 AM
Leo,
I take your point completely....however I am going on what I have seen and I have included the likes of O'Neill, Doherty, etc simply because of what I have heard about them second hand from people who were around then...I havent seen enough of Jim Milligan or Willie Doyle to include them in my list but I grew up with Cathal Digney starring on a poor Down team and I have played against Conor Deegan so that's why they are in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 30, 2007, 12:02:05 PM
That's a comprehensive list of Down greats going back through the years Umpire , I don't know much about the 60's men , only what I heard from the Da or what I've read about them . Pity there is no footage of them bar the odd bit of black and white you see the odd time .
In the book Giants of Gaelic Football - two Down men get a Chapter , Sean O'Neill and Joe Lennon .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 30, 2007, 12:25:44 PM
downredblack,
There was a copy off the all ireland final off 68 around a few months ago do not know who had it but did see it about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 30, 2007, 12:30:19 PM
Thks. Laces . Didn't know it existed . Must have a scout about on the net ,see if I can find it . Would love to see this great Down team .
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 30, 2007, 12:40:40 PM
Drop me an oul PM Downredblack if you track it down....I saw this game years and years ago on reel to reel!!! I would love a copy on DVD
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 30, 2007, 12:51:31 PM
Yeah sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on November 30, 2007, 12:59:39 PM
does anyone know if there are any dvd's of 60. 61 and 68 knocking about? i would love to get them for my grandfather. took him to croke park museum there a couple of years ago and he sat on the computer lookin at the video archives for ages. was like a child in a sweetshop. it would be a good christmas present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 30, 2007, 01:40:12 PM
boys i was working on a site about five years ago and paddy doc was there as a brickie both he and a man Cairan O'Hare Attical had a vhs copy with them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on November 30, 2007, 01:43:49 PM
Just mailed a crowd about the 1968 final , their catalogue on the website goes back to 1975 . I'll keep yis posted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on November 30, 2007, 02:26:17 PM
does anybody kno where i could get pics of the minor footballers from 07? mebi not the most sucessful side but stil a memorable experiance, one that wil stick with me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 30, 2007, 02:59:02 PM
Quote from: umpire on November 30, 2007, 11:30:07 AM

In my experience following the Down teams from 1960 era , these are my seiection of best players who play for Down Senior Football team.

1. Neil Collins, Carryduff
2. Tommy McGovern, Burren
3. Leo Murphy, Lisnarcree
4. Tom O'Hare, Mayobridge
5. Cathal Digney, Saval
6. Dan McCartan, Glenn
7. Joe Lennon, Aghderg
8. Colm McAlarney, Liatriom
9. Jarlath Carey, Dundrum
10. Greg Blaney, Carryduff
11. James McCartan (sen), Glenn
12. Paddy Doherty, Ballykinlar
13. Mickey Linden, Mayobridge
14. Sean O'Neill, Newry Mitchels
15. Ambrose Rodgers (sen) Longstone

My second selection

1.Micheal McVeigh
2.Brendan Sloan, Attical
3.Conor Deegan, Downpatrick
4. Mark Turley, Glenn
5. Pasty O'Hagan, Clonduff
6. Barry Breen, Downpatrick
7. DJ Kane, Newry Shamrocks
8. Liam Austin, Rostrevor
9. Brendan Toner, Castlewellan
10. Ross Carr, Clonduff
11. Dalsey Mooney, Clonduff
12. James McCartan (jun), Tullylish
13. Peter Rooney, Warrenpoint,
14. John McCartan, Glenn
15. Benny Coulter, Mayobridge.

Others players  who have also played well.
Geogre Lavery, Kilwarlin
Pat Rice, Castlewellan,
Kevin Mussen, Clonduff
Tony Hadden, Newry Shamrocks
Breen Morgan, Annaclone
Willie Doyle, Liatriom
James Milligan, Ardglass
Micheal Cole, Rostrevor
Micheal Cunningham, Bryansford
Cecil Ward, Bryansford
Adrain McAuilfield, St Mitchels
Paddy Kennedy, Glenn
Brendan McGovern, Burren
Jim McCartan, Glenn
Donal Bell, Teconnagh
Brendan Mason, Loughinisland
Paul Higgins, Ballymartin
Paddy O'Rourke, Burren
Gregory McCartan, Ballymartin
Eamon Burns Bryansford.
Gary Mason. Loughinisland
Best match
1994 in Celtic Park Derry, Down v Derry in Ulster Championship

Best individual performance
Tom O'Hare, Mayobridge in 1968 All Ireland Semi-final against great Galway side who have won three in row 64,65 and 66.

Top Ten players
1.   Sean O'Neill
2.   Tom O'Hare
3.   Colm McAlarnery
4.   Paddy Murphy
5.   James McCartan (sen)
6.   Greg Blaney
7.   Mickey Linden
8.   Leo Murphy
9.   Tommy McGovern
10. Joe Lennon

Best Down Club Player
Shorty Treanor Burren,
never made any impact on Down Senior team., should have been good enough for Down on 91 and 94 teams.


Some great names that I hadn't thought of.  Benny would be in my first 15 of all time though...  Even before Mickey Linden... I'll get shot for that one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 30, 2007, 04:17:30 PM
I have a load of the old matches on DVD. 1960, 1961 & 1968 Alll Ireland finals, 1968 Ulster Final. 1994 All Ireland Final. 1999 Minor final. 1991 All Ireland Final. The Down Dream Team 60/61. 1994 Ulster 1st Rd Derry v Down. 2003 Ulster semi final and final.

I passed copied on to a few lads earlier this year. If anyone wants copies let me know by PM. You'll have to copy them yourself and return the originals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Till I Die on November 30, 2007, 04:21:13 PM
Quote from: amallon on November 30, 2007, 02:59:02 PM
Quote from: umpire on November 30, 2007, 11:30:07 AM

In my experience following the Down teams from 1960 era , these are my seiection of best players who play for Down Senior Football team.

1. Neil Collins, Carryduff
2. Tommy McGovern, Burren
3. Leo Murphy, Lisnarcree
4. Tom O'Hare, Mayobridge
5. Cathal Digney, Saval
6. Dan McCartan, Glenn
7. Joe Lennon, Aghderg
8. Colm McAlarney, Liatriom
9. Jarlath Carey, Dundrum
10. Greg Blaney, Carryduff
11. James McCartan (sen), Glenn
12. Paddy Doherty, Ballykinlar
13. Mickey Linden, Mayobridge
14. Sean O'Neill, Newry Mitchels
15. Ambrose Rodgers (sen) Longstone

My second selection

1.Micheal McVeigh
2.Brendan Sloan, Attical
3.Conor Deegan, Downpatrick
4. Mark Turley, Glenn
5. Pasty O'Hagan, Clonduff
6. Barry Breen, Downpatrick
7. DJ Kane, Newry Shamrocks
8. Liam Austin, Rostrevor
9. Brendan Toner, Castlewellan
10. Ross Carr, Clonduff
11. Dalsey Mooney, Clonduff
12. James McCartan (jun), Tullylish
13. Peter Rooney, Warrenpoint,
14. John McCartan, Glenn
15. Benny Coulter, Mayobridge.

Others players  who have also played well.
Geogre Lavery, Kilwarlin
Pat Rice, Castlewellan,
Kevin Mussen, Clonduff
Tony Hadden, Newry Shamrocks
Breen Morgan, Annaclone
Willie Doyle, Liatriom
James Milligan, Ardglass
Micheal Cole, Rostrevor
Micheal Cunningham, Bryansford
Cecil Ward, Bryansford
Adrain McAuilfield, St Mitchels
Paddy Kennedy, Glenn
Brendan McGovern, Burren
Jim McCartan, Glenn
Donal Bell, Teconnagh
Brendan Mason, Loughinisland
Paul Higgins, Ballymartin
Paddy O'Rourke, Burren
Gregory McCartan, Ballymartin
Eamon Burns Bryansford.
Gary Mason. Loughinisland
Best match
1994 in Celtic Park Derry, Down v Derry in Ulster Championship

Best individual performance
Tom O'Hare, Mayobridge in 1968 All Ireland Semi-final against great Galway side who have won three in row 64,65 and 66.

Top Ten players
1.   Sean O'Neill
2.   Tom O'Hare
3.   Colm McAlarnery
4.   Paddy Murphy
5.   James McCartan (sen)
6.   Greg Blaney
7.   Mickey Linden
8.   Leo Murphy
9.   Tommy McGovern
10. Joe Lennon

Best Down Club Player
Shorty Treanor Burren,
never made any impact on Down Senior team., should have been good enough for Down on 91 and 94 teams.


Some great names that I hadn't thought of.  Benny would be in my first 15 of all time though...  Even before Mickey Linden... I'll get shot for that one

eddie mckay and eddie king, two names that shouldn be to far away from the lists!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 30, 2007, 07:00:01 PM
In my earlier post this morning, I have made a mistake by putting in Paddy Murphy instead of great Paddy Doherty.. My apologies

Top Ten players
1.   Sean O'Neill
2.   Tom O'Hare
3.   Colm McAlarnery
4.   Paddy Murphy    Paddy Doherty
5.   James McCartan (sen)
6.   Greg Blaney
7.   Mickey Linden
8.   Leo Murphy
9.   Tommy McGovern
10. Joe Lennon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 30, 2007, 07:05:54 PM
Great stuff going on this thread at the minute about the Down greats. Without wanting to detract from your Top 10 list Umpire, do you think there will be any newcomers in your selection say in 10 years time?
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 30, 2007, 09:03:55 PM
For anyone doubting the position of Colm McAlarney in the pantheon of the all time greats in Gaelic Football....all you have to do is read page 82 of Michael Foley's (superb) book about the 82 AIF..Kings of September. It looks like Jacko based his style of play on Arkle...I have to say that I got a shiver down my back when I read what he said. Its a pity McAlarney didnt get the exposure on live TV that Jacko et al have got since the mid 70s. ......the rest of the country would realise how good he was then.


BTW Lecale check your PMs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 01, 2007, 12:52:35 AM
Many thanks to Umpire for his selections, and particulary for reminding us about Dalsey Mooney. He was a fantastic midfielder, so good that he kept Colm McAlarney back in the defence for the 1966 Ulster minor champions. I was at that final at Casement Park, and can just about remember the day as, for I think the only time in history, we won both minor and senior on the same afternoon.

Dalsey got injured at an early stage in his career, and never got much chance to show what he could do at senior level. The general feeling among Down supporters at the time was that he was better than McAlarney, so I can put it no higher than that.

As for Mr Mallon's suggestion that Benny is better than Mickey, I am really not sure where to begin. At the risk of repeating previous posts, Benny has yet to play a senior championship match at Croke Park. I hope he does so soon, but Mickey has been there and not just
taken our breath away but finished up with an overall player of the year award.

Benny is foremost among a group of relatively young Down players who are capable of taking us back where we belong. Mickey is simply a legend, in Mayobridge, in Down and across Ireland. However, let's keep the debate going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 01, 2007, 12:07:46 PM
Lecale - Check your PM's.  You could be busy. 

5Sams I still have a DVD rattling about in my car somewhere for you.  Its that long ago now I don't even remember what it was.  Could have been the 91 or 94 finals recorded from All Ireland gold or something.  You remember???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on December 01, 2007, 04:39:31 PM
 Division 3 Play-off appeal

An Larchoiste Achomhairc
Cruinniu PAC, 29-11-07
Decision of An Larchoiste Achomhairc.
The Appeal was upheld on the following basis:
Fo-Dhlithe agus Rialacha (Bye-Laws and Rules), Coiste Chondae an Duin 8. (ii) (p. 27), states:
Relegation from Divisions 1, 2 and 3 will be determined on a round robin basis involving the bottom four teams in Division 1 and 2 and the bottom three teams from Division 3.
It was noted by members of An Larchoiste Achomhairc that in November 2005, the GAC, An Duin with the approval of Coiste Chondae an Duin, increased the number of teams in Division 3 from ten to twelve, thus bringing this Division into line with Divisions 1 and 2. It was also noted by An Larchoiste Achomhairc that the minutes of the meeting of Coiste Chondae an Duin where this motion was approved, a copy of which was available at the meeting, did not make any provision to alter the number of teams to be involved in relegation from Division 3.
The Fo-Dhlithe agus Rialacha, Coiste Chondae an Duin printed and circulated in Meitheamh 2007 did not contain any change in the relevant part of 8 (ii) and stated 'Relegation from....the bottom three teams from Division 3' (p. 27 Meitheamh 2007).
Addendum
When coming to their decision, An Larchoiste Achomhairc were bound by the Rules, Bye-Laws and Match Regulations relevant to this Appeal and made their decision on that basis.
However, it is the strong recommendation of An Larchoiste Achomhairc that, if at all possible, Coiste Chondae an Duin and the Clubs concerned meet and try to resolve the issue to the satisfaction of all parties.
Antoin Mac Siurtain
Runai Oin., An Larchoiste Achomhairc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on December 01, 2007, 08:49:26 PM
I think its the only decision that thy could have come to. For a county board not to want to abide by its own rules is a joke. Common sense has prevailed !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 01, 2007, 08:58:31 PM
Right, so who is relagated?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on December 01, 2007, 09:03:58 PM
Mitchels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 01, 2007, 09:10:13 PM
So St Pauls stay up, wonder where he is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on December 02, 2007, 12:34:07 AM
right here SB, though I am not counting my chickens before they hatch, god knows what is likely to happen, that decision only means that Drumgath were not meant to be in the playoffs, though as it stands, as we beat Mitchels in our playoff game, we should stay up, but it will all come down to what the county board decide to do!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on December 02, 2007, 07:43:42 PM
passedit/ st pauls has the appeal cost your club any money? if it has its a disgrace. good to see it resolved, it was the only possible outcome. dont think st pauls were fairly treated at all. complete shambles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on December 02, 2007, 10:07:26 PM
BTW, we had to pay a fee for every appeal we entered, which totalled 2. how much exactly i don't know, but i think it was about 100 Euro for each appeal!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on December 03, 2007, 12:20:12 AM
As did Drumgath, who treated just as badly by the county board. Just hope that really is the end of it. It was a farce.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on December 03, 2007, 09:21:00 AM
it should be the end of it for yourselves TOR, but i will wait and see how long this is going to drag on for us!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on December 03, 2007, 09:22:28 AM
torgael completely agree with you. the only reason i dont have any sympathy for you is because you shouldn't have been there in the first place!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on December 03, 2007, 06:58:39 PM
Are Down playing any games this week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 04, 2007, 10:14:25 AM

4. That the County Board designate area teams throughout the county, provide coaching and provide competitions between the teams in an effort to develop hurling in the whole of the county. (Cluain Daimh)


Is someone in Clonduff reading some of my past posts on the subject??


I also see Mayobridge have a motion in about getting a slice of the gate money for championship games. It used to be the case where each team got 30%, the county board got 30% and the host club the remaining 10%. Surely it's not much to ask especially when the county have continuously reneiged on its commitment to even provide hurling balls for county finals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 04, 2007, 12:47:24 PM
So would the Bridge and the Stone have got nothing for the two county final games?  It seems a bit harsh I would have throught both clubs would have got something from the games.  What about Ulster games, do the clubs get anything from those?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 04, 2007, 04:34:19 PM
Quote from: amallon on December 04, 2007, 12:47:24 PM
So would the Bridge and the Stone have got nothing for the two county final games?  It seems a bit harsh I would have throught both clubs would have got something from the games.  What about Ulster games, do the clubs get anything from those?

Clubs do get a slice of Ulster games, don't know the percentage though as the VAT man is kept in the dark as well.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 04, 2007, 04:55:57 PM
What club does Ben O'Reilly play hurling for? I see he won a colleges All Star in hurling to add to the football one he won last year. I know he's at school at Louis Kilkeel and plays his football for Loughinisland but who does he hurl for?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 04, 2007, 05:04:46 PM
Doesnt play for a club, dont think hes played hurling in a number of years. Either a very talented lad or maybe that shows the standard of ulster hurling at college level,prob somewhere in between. Either way congrats to him. I think his grandfather is yer man o'reilly whom took the county senior hurlers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on December 04, 2007, 05:13:25 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 04, 2007, 04:55:57 PM
What club does Ben O'Reilly play hurling for? I see he won a colleges All Star in hurling to add to the football one he won last year. I know he's at school at Louis Kilkeel and plays his football for Loughinisland but who does he hurl for?

He used to play for Balgalget along with his brother Jamie. Neither plays club hurling at the moment and have not done so for a few years now. Were fairly handy at it, but football commitments and travel put an end to hurling They have a younger brother and all three would have grown up practising hurling with their father on Loughinisland's pitch, which was an usual sight. There grandfather was a big hurling man, having managed Down for a period.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 04, 2007, 05:16:14 PM
Quote from: umpire on November 30, 2007, 11:40:27 AM
In my experience following the Down teams from 1960 era , these are my seiection of best players who play for Down Senior Football team.

1. Neil Collins, Carryduff
2. Tommy McGovern, Burren
3. Leo Murphy, Lisnarcree
4. Tom O'Hare, Mayobridge
5. Cathal Digney, Saval
6. Dan McCartan, Glenn
7. Joe Lennon, Aghderg
8. Colm McAlarney, Liatriom
9. Jarlath Carey, Dundrum
10. Greg Blaney, Carryduff
11. James McCartan (sen), Glenn
12. Paddy Doherty, Ballykinlar
13. Mickey Linden, Mayobridge
14. Sean O'Neill, Newry Mitchels
15. Ambrose Rodgers (sen) Longstone

My second selection

1.Micheal McVeigh
2.Brendan Sloan, Attical
3.Conor Deegan, Downpatrick
4. Mark Turley, Glenn
5. Pasty O'Hagan, Clonduff
6. Barry Breen, Downpatrick
7. DJ Kane, Newry Shamrocks
8. Liam Austin, Rostrevor
9. Brendan Toner, Castlewellan
10. Ross Carr, Clonduff
11. Dalsey Mooney, Clonduff
12. James McCartan (jun), Tullylish
13. Peter Rooney, Warrenpoint,
14. John McCartan, Glenn
15. Benny Coulter, Mayobridge.

Others players  who have also played well.
Geogre Lavery, Kilwarlin
Pat Rice, Castlewellan,
Kevin Mussen, Clonduff
Tony Hadden, Newry Shamrocks
Breen Morgan, Annaclone
Willie Doyle, Liatriom
James Milligan, Ardglass
Micheal Cole, Rostrevor
Micheal Cunningham, Bryansford
Cecil Ward, Bryansford
Adrain McAuilfield, St Mitchels
Paddy Kennedy, Glenn
Brendan McGovern, Burren
Jim McCartan, Glenn
Donal Bell, Teconnagh
Brendan Mason, Loughinisland
Paul Higgins, Ballymartin
Paddy O'Rourke, Burren
Gregory McCartan, Ballymartin
Eamon Burns Bryansford.
Gary Mason. Loughinisland
Best match
1994 in Celtic Park Derry, Down v Derry in Ulster Championship

Best individual performance
Tom O'Hare, Mayobridge in 1968 All Ireland Semi-final against great Galway side who have won three in row 64,65 and 66.

Top Ten players
1.   Sean O'Neill
2.   Tom O'Hare
3.   Colm McAlarnery
4.   Paddy Doherty
5.   James McCartan (sen)
6.   Greg Blaney
7.   Mickey Linden
8.   Leo Murphy
9.   Tommy McGovern
10. Joe Lennon

Best Down Club Player
Shorty Treanor Burren,
never made any impact on Down Senior team., should have been good enough for Down on 91 and 94 teams.


Good selections Umpire and how did I omit Leo Murphy & Jarlath Carey (RIP)?
As for your top 15 definitely cant omit Breen I'd put him in place of Ambrose on your team) and Neil collins may be fresh in your mind but McKay was definitely better but Slim Donnan was best.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 04, 2007, 05:19:51 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 01, 2007, 12:52:35 AM
Many thanks to Umpire for his selections, and particulary for reminding us about Dalsey Mooney. He was a fantastic midfielder, so good that he kept Colm McAlarney back in the defence for the 1966 Ulster minor champions. I was at that final at Casement Park, and can just about remember the day as, for I think the only time in history, we won both minor and senior on the same afternoon.

Dalsey got injured at an early stage in his career, and never got much chance to show what he could do at senior level. The general feeling among Down supporters at the time was that he was better than McAlarney, so I can put it no higher than that.

As for Mr Mallon's suggestion that Benny is better than Mickey, I am really not sure where to begin. At the risk of repeating previous posts, Benny has yet to play a senior championship match at Croke Park. I hope he does so soon, but Mickey has been there and not just
taken our breath away but finished up with an overall player of the year award.

Benny is foremost among a group of relatively young Down players who are capable of taking us back where we belong. Mickey is simply a legend, in Mayobridge, in Down and across Ireland. However, let's keep the debate going.

Agree entirley about Dalsey, but can't really consider him in an all-time list because of lack of senior games. I did mention him elsewhere about "almost greats" a few days ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 04, 2007, 06:23:59 PM
Just want to bring the GPA Grant issue to a local level to see what the mood is about the county. What support is there in the clubs that have county players, do the members support these players, is there a chance that this could divide loyalties, has the threat of a strike alienated them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 04, 2007, 09:48:51 PM
Regarding Down no 1 goalkeeper.
I remember Eddie Mckay playing and he was well protected by fabulous
full back line in George Laverty, Leo Murphy and Pat Rice. Leo was always in around the goalmouth and given great protection to goalie. Leo also took all kickout.
Today goalkeepers can be isolated when the full backs roam outfield.
I still go for Neil Collins for his performances in winning 2 Sam Maguire.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 04, 2007, 11:43:19 PM
Speaking of keepers...anybody remember Lawrence McAlinden??? He wasnt half bad either...then you had Marty McCabe and Eddie Gallagher...Eddie might not have played much Senior Championship football but he was a helluva keeper......jaysus I'm getting old :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on December 05, 2007, 12:10:15 PM
lecale2, where did you hear or read about ben o reilly winning the college allstar?

also umpire, how could tommy mc govern be above james mc cartan junior? his display in the 1991 final was as good as anything i have seen from any down player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on December 05, 2007, 03:18:38 PM
The allstars were in yesterdays irish news, very surprised that james coyle from st pats knock and ballycran didnt get one. A few 'token' awards possibly!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 05, 2007, 10:18:04 PM
5ive Times- Down goalkeeper in 1960 McKay first name is Eddie, Eamon is Irish name for Eddie
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saffron sam2 on December 07, 2007, 11:58:07 PM
What's the story with managers in Division 1 next year? How many are staying and how many are going?

Just intrigued like.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 08, 2007, 12:26:01 AM
Kilcoo have parted company with their manager Heaney.  The Bridge are likely to be keeping the same management team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on December 08, 2007, 10:33:57 AM
According to Matt in the Recorder Annsborough are reforming and intend to enter competitions next year. What's the story?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on December 08, 2007, 05:40:33 PM
liatroim parted company with mccomiskey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on December 08, 2007, 08:51:05 PM
Quote from: Bacon on December 08, 2007, 10:33:57 AM
According to Matt in the Recorder Annsborough are reforming and intend to enter competitions next year. What's the story?

Annsborough and Auglisnafin or instead of??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on December 09, 2007, 12:14:28 AM
Annsborough are entering a hurling team, appears to be a ploy to hold on to their Social Club under G.A.A. aegis. Certainly never displayed any interest in hurling before, and in all likelihood will not be able to fulfil fixtures
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on December 09, 2007, 12:16:34 AM
Brendan Mason will manage teconnaught next season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Guillem2 on December 09, 2007, 01:47:40 AM
Cousin of mine won a JHC medal with Annsborough in the 1980s. I think you'll find they were hurling then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on December 09, 2007, 01:54:35 AM
I stand corrected guillem, thanks for info
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 09, 2007, 01:29:07 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on December 09, 2007, 12:14:28 AM
Annsborough are entering a hurling team, appears to be a ploy to hold on to their Social Club under G.A.A. aegis. Certainly never displayed any interest in hurling before, and in all likelihood will not be able to fulfil fixtures

Where will they get the players? Annsborough did win a Special JHC in the mid 1980s but I don't think there would be too many of those boys still fit to play!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 09, 2007, 08:47:45 PM
I would be grateful if someone be able to inform me the names and their club of 1966 Down Minor Team that fail in All Ireland final.

I think that these are the  players but please correct me

John Harte, Drumaness
Lian Sloan, Ballymartin
Brendan Sloan, Attical
Noel Miller, Burren
Peter Turley, Glenn
Colm McAlarney, Liatriom
Dalsey Mooney, Clonduff
Mickey Cole. Rostrevor
John Murphy, Newry Shamrocks
Peter Rooney, Warrrenpoint
John Purdy, Tullylish 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 10, 2007, 08:18:16 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 09, 2007, 01:29:07 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on December 09, 2007, 12:14:28 AM
Annsborough are entering a hurling team, appears to be a ploy to hold on to their Social Club under G.A.A. aegis. Certainly never displayed any interest in hurling before, and in all likelihood will not be able to fulfil fixtures

Where will they get the players? Annsborough did win a Special JHC in the mid 1980s but I don't think there would be too many of those boys still fit to play!

I played Junior against Annsborough quite a few moons ago so I hope it's a genuine attempt to reform a team but with Castlewellan just up the hill struggling it's hard to see how they'd have the numbers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on December 10, 2007, 09:22:36 AM
Heard that HJ and Tony Burden got voted out yesterday - is this true?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on December 10, 2007, 09:30:53 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on December 10, 2007, 09:22:36 AM
Heard that HJ and Tony Burden got voted out yesterday - is this true?

yes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 10, 2007, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: behind the wire on December 10, 2007, 09:30:53 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on December 10, 2007, 09:22:36 AM
Heard that HJ and Tony Burden got voted out yesterday - is this true?

yes

Did HJ not have his 5 year term up anyway?

Who replaces them?

I also hear that the £5K that most clubs paid a few years back has reared up again in relation to 5 clubs who never paid it in the first place. Portaferry and Ballycran are two of them, who are the other three?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Duin Abu on December 10, 2007, 02:10:21 PM
End of an era if HJ Harper has gone, a great servant to the county and will be a big loss.As regards the 5 clubs still to pay their £5,000 this matter was being dealt with @ County Board level and should be leftthere to be sorted, don't wash the linen in public
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 10, 2007, 02:44:01 PM
Quote from: An Duin Abu on December 10, 2007, 02:10:21 PM
End of an era if HJ Harper has gone, a great servant to the county and will be a big loss.As regards the 5 clubs still to pay their £5,000 this matter was being dealt with @ County Board level and should be leftthere to be sorted, don't wash the linen in public

I disagree totally. If clubs havent piad, every other club and member is entitled to know. They are also entitled to know how the maoney paid has been used - ie, has the debt been cleared or reduced and if not why not? This type of transparency is required now in Down as there are too many rumours out there about the county finances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Duin Abu on December 10, 2007, 03:27:31 PM
That is my point exactly Leo. Speaking from experience it is the rumour and counter rumour that has the county the way it is and is continuing to fester and do damage. I speak as someone who was a county board delegate and the back biting that goes on at that level between clubs is uncalled for. In order for the county to move on we need to move on as clubs. If you have any genuine queries raise them through your club and let them take it up at county board level and then report back to your committee. This sort of thing should not be discussed on a noticeboard (PS if you were to raise it through your club you would be very surprised who the 5 'defaulters' are. You would also be very surprised and look at them in a different light if you knew the reason for their lack of contribution!)

Coiste Contae An Duin need the time to develop the county instead of having to rake over old dying embers. The men who were in place in my opinion were nothing short of transparent at all times and there was and is nothing sinister to report.Let's move on together and bring us back to where we belong at the top of the tree. Let the men and women who have been elected deal with the issues raised

Don't do this on a message board for all to see,we should have respect for your county.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on December 10, 2007, 03:38:55 PM
Quote from: An Duin Abu on December 10, 2007, 03:27:31 PM

Don't do this on a message board for all to see,we should have respect for your county.


Didn't your first post on this board fall foul of exactly what you're describing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on December 10, 2007, 04:37:15 PM
loughinisland have appointed gerard colgen and gary mason.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Duin Abu on December 10, 2007, 04:57:39 PM
In reply to Niall Quinn. Have a look at my first posting again if you please. The posting regarding Jerry Quinn's comments at convention was based on facts, the posting from 'Leo' is based on rumour. Somebody is being stupid here and I don't think it is me. Can you see the difference?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Candyman on December 10, 2007, 04:58:46 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 10, 2007, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: An Duin Abu on December 10, 2007, 03:27:31 PM
That is my point exactly Leo. Speaking from experience it is the rumour and counter rumour that has the county the way it is and is continuing to fester and do damage. I speak as someone who was a county board delegate and the back biting that goes on at that level between clubs is uncalled for. In order for the county to move on we need to move on as clubs. If you have any genuine queries raise them through your club and let them take it up at county board level and then report back to your committee. This sort of thing should not be discussed on a noticeboard (PS if you were to raise it through your club you would be very surprised who the 5 'defaulters' are. You would also be very surprised and look at them in a different light if you knew the reason for their lack of contribution!)

Coiste Contae An Duin need the time to develop the county instead of having to rake over old dying embers. The men who were in place in my opinion were nothing short of transparent at all times and there was and is nothing sinister to report.Let's move on together and bring us back to where we belong at the top of the tree. Let the men and women who have been elected deal with the issues raised

Don't do this on a message board for all to see,we should have respect for your county.




The only way to rumour and counter rumour as you put it is to come clean on all aspects. I have no problem stating that both Ballycran and Portaferry have not paid the £5K and certainly Portaferry have no intentions of paying it as they are only too glad to jest at us for being stupid f**kers for paying it and to be honest they are right unless the defaulters are brought to heel.

How many delegates at yesterdays convention were allowed to take the finance report out of the room yesterday to show their club members?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on December 10, 2007, 05:05:49 PM
Quote from: An Duin Abu on December 10, 2007, 04:57:39 PM
In reply to Niall Quinn. Have a look at my first posting again if you please. The posting regarding Jerry Quinn's comments at convention was based on facts, the posting from 'Leo' is based on rumour. Somebody is being stupid here and I don't think it is me. Can you see the difference?


But you didn't see fit to challenge Jerry using the proper channels and afford the man right of reply, which seems to fly in the face of your advice below:

"If you have any genuine queries raise them through your club and let them take it up at county board level and then report back to your committee. This sort of thing should not be discussed on a noticeboard "
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 10, 2007, 05:08:23 PM
Is the finance report not in the convention booklet Johnny. AFAIK every club got two copies. Or are there other "accounts" produced on the day??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 10, 2007, 05:38:45 PM
Quote from: Niall Quinn on December 10, 2007, 05:05:49 PM


"If you have any genuine queries raise them through your club and let them take it up at county board level and then report back to your committee. This sort of thing should not be discussed on a noticeboard "

An Dun Abu, you know that clubs have raised these questions (very gingerly and discreetly) and the info has NOT been forthcoming. I dont want to see the info put on this or any other board, I want it to come through my club, but I'm entitled to say on the board that we need a new level of transparency, otherwise the Ards men are right - only the mugs contribute and dont ask to see delivery.

Have YOU as a delegate seen a full statement of how much has been paid in over FIVE years now to this debt and how much the debt has been reduced? Our delegate hasnt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Duin Abu on December 10, 2007, 06:13:53 PM
Leo
I agree that clubs have raised these questions before and it was with great reluctance that the information on the 'defaulters' was relayed to all delegates at a county board meeting in the Donard . I personally felt that this was testimony to the top tables desire not to embarrass the clubs in question and to try and reach a suitable arrangement without 'naming and shaming'. Unfortunately it was not to be and the 5 clubs in question were named and given a right of reply. At that stage the information that you desire was provided to the floor, including the amount outstanding that each club owed. From memory two of the five clubs entered into an arrangement which leaves three clubs still 'defaulting'. Of the three one club went down the line of arranging a private and confidential meeting with An Coiste Bainisti to discuss the matter, the other two clubs I cannot comment on.
As regards seeing a full statement I can only say that I know who has 'defaulted' from the arrangement. From the point of view of accountability if that is where you are angling at I can only say that I have to trust the officers of the County Board to do what they were/are elected to do and I certainly have no evidence of any wrong doings. Apart from viewing the audited accounts like every one else I cannot see what other form of transparency can be provided, if we elect these people to do a job then let them get on with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 10, 2007, 06:55:47 PM
Division 3
We have now been informed that Down County Board have met and decided NOT to relegate us or St Pauls, therefore making division 3 one team bigger next season. - Taken from the Mitchels website.

It also says on their website that Stephen Kearney has transferred to Saval.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on December 11, 2007, 08:16:20 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 10, 2007, 06:55:47 PM
Division 3
We have now been informed that Down County Board have met and decided NOT to relegate us or St Pauls, therefore making division 3 one team bigger next season. - Taken from the Mitchels website.

It also says on their website that Stephen Kearney has transferred to Saval.

I wouldn't read too much into that, we still haven't heard anything yet from the county board, and if you click on the more link in the article, it goes to the league table page on the Down website, though that list of 13 was there before any decision was made by Croke Park or anywhere else!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on December 11, 2007, 03:31:46 PM
Sincere condolences go to the geals of carryduff on the untimlely death off one of their u-13 coaches (Brendan McCann) whilst returning from a victorious match in Ballykinlar.
Im sure the rest of the down contributers all feel the same way
Rest in Peace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on December 11, 2007, 04:07:24 PM
terrible news RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 11, 2007, 05:07:27 PM
Shocking news. I just seen the article in the Irish News. RIP.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on December 11, 2007, 06:24:40 PM
Sad indeed. RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 11, 2007, 08:48:59 PM
Quote from: off the laces on December 11, 2007, 03:31:46 PM
Sincere condolences go to the geals of carryduff on the untimlely death off one of their u-13 coaches (Brendan McCann) whilst returning from a victorious match in Ballykinlar.
Im sure the rest of the down contributers all feel the same way
Rest in Peace.

Devastating news for Brendan's family,and all of Carryduff.
Brendan typified all that is good about Carryduff CLG.
May he rest in peace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on December 12, 2007, 10:33:44 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 04, 2007, 05:30:04 PM
Quote from: Leo on December 04, 2007, 05:16:14 PM
Neil collins may be fresh in your mind but McKay was definitely better but Slim Donnan was best.

Although I dont remember McKay playing, I have heard many stories so I cannot really make a comment on him, but I clearly remember both Pat Donnan and Neil Collins and Collins was a better keeper in every way. I said in an earlier post that Collins will be mostly remembered for that penalty save, although he made many excellent saves besides that one, for me Donnan will only be remembered for that goal in `86.
Neil Collins has to be the all time Down No. 1.

Sorry lads, couldnt get logged on for ages. 

Have to totally disagree.  Collins was an excellent but also the luckiest keeper in that era.  In my opinion the 4 best goalies in the late 80s early 90s were Neil Patterson (Bosco), Eamonn Connolly (Warrenpoint) Paddy Kielty (Dundrum),& Declan Murdock (Burren).  All agile, great shot stoppers and above all super kick outs with direction.  Collins' kickouts weren't in their league.  I watched 91 final before the Rugby World Cup final on TG4, some of the kickouts weren't good. :o

PS I am not An Duin Abu (i'm the original)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on December 12, 2007, 10:55:04 AM
Just read the other posts.  Terrible news about Brendan McCann.  May he rest in peace.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 12, 2007, 05:01:59 PM
Quote from: An Duin Abu on December 10, 2007, 06:13:53 PM
. From the point of view of accountability if that is where you are angling at I can only say that I have to trust the officers of the County Board to do what they were/are elected to do and I certainly have no evidence of any wrong doings. Apart from viewing the audited accounts like every one else I cannot see what other form of transparency can be provided, if we elect these people to do a job then let them get on with it.

No-one has suggested any wrongdoing but everyone knows that the account summary presented at convention does not go into the simple detail of the following:
How many clubs have paid?
How much has each paid?
Were these amounts paid off the debt upon recipt?
What was the debt 5 years ago?
What is it today?

I cant get any of this info from my club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Duin Abu on December 12, 2007, 05:44:04 PM
Point taken Leo. I can only advise you again to push for clarity through your club if you feel it necessary. I know from previous meetings and conventions etc that Pairc Esler seemed to be a bottomless pit at times. To be fair to the officers concerned it was probably a case of income being offsett against liabilities which would have left it near impossible to break it down in the way that you require. I firmly believe that the powers that be were always aware of who the 'defaulters' were and they tried to save them the embarrassment of being named. However as I said in a previous post they were named at a county board meeting, I'll not name them on this site but if you speak to your delegate they can tell you who they are. They will also be able to tell you what sanctions were discussed if these clubs continued to default but that is till to be determined as the matter is ongoing and should be reported back to the first county board meeting in the new year. What I can say is that with the sale of Bryansford pending clubs will no longer be liable for this contribution and that the Pairc Esler debt will be paid off once and for all. There may even be a chance of a cash back windfall to all those clubs who did pay!
ps: The long and the short of it really is that some clubs could not afford it, how that compensated those who did struggle to pay however I don't know...?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on December 12, 2007, 07:05:01 PM
Whats the latest with the county squad?

Has it been cut ahead of the McKenna Cup?  Surely it will have as some of the players I have heard were involved are very ordinary footballers IMHO.

Is La Manga still going ahead?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 12, 2007, 08:28:25 PM
Quote from: An Duin Abu on December 12, 2007, 05:44:04 PM
. I firmly believe that the powers that be were always aware of who the 'defaulters' were and they tried to save them the embarrassment of being named. However as I said in a previous post they were named at a county board meeting, I'll not name them on this site but if you speak to your delegate they can tell you who they are.


To be fair An Duin I am not concerned with a witch-hunt against defaulters but everyone is enitiled to knowledge for why would anyone continue to contribute to paying off a debt if the money is being "rounded off" and not used for that purpose. At leastthis time round Club Down apparently made sure that all money received for this phase of Pairc Esler went to that project and clearly they had ggod reason for insisting it be done their way. We all want to move on - but with knowledge and not in ignorance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on December 13, 2007, 10:18:56 AM
stephen kearney is a huge boost for saval for next season; a quality player that will now shine at the right level.

rumours abound re: managers....

rostrevor have spoken to wee james and cathal o'rourke, both turned them down i hear

paddy is not taking the burren job.

bridge have the same team back

annaclone did the dirt on cathal murray; new manager rang him to tell him he was offered the job!

jerome johnston to take drumgath

anything else happening?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 13, 2007, 08:23:50 PM
lads would any of yous have the down v galway 1968 semi final.. i cant get it anywhere
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on December 13, 2007, 09:45:54 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on December 13, 2007, 10:18:56 AM
stephen kearney is a huge boost for saval for next season; a quality player that will now shine at the right level.

rumours abound re: managers....

rostrevor have spoken to wee james and cathal o'rourke, both turned them down i hear

paddy is not taking the burren job.

bridge have the same team back

annaclone did the dirt on cathal murray; new manager rang him to tell him he was offered the job!

jerome johnston to take drumgath

anything else happening?



This is a rumour that has been doing the rounds latley but I can assure you that Annaclone did not do the dirt on Cathal Murray.  It was decided at committee level that we needed a change and Cathal was informed of this before anyone else was approached. 
Our new manager is now Steven McVeigh which should be a very good appointment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Flat Hedgehog on December 13, 2007, 10:57:02 PM
Brendan McCann was a very active member of the Carryduff club and will be well known to those on this board involved in juvenile football. And hurling. RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 13, 2007, 11:05:23 PM
Pipe bomb is found at GAA ground 


A pipe bomb has been found at a GAA ground in County Down.
It was discovered during an overnight alert at the ground on the Ballela Road outside Banbridge.

Police have described the device as "viable" and it has now been removed by the Army.

The alert began at about 2100 GMT on Wednesday after a telephone warning. A male caller said a device had been left at the ground.

SDLP assembly member Dolores Kelly said the incident was despicable.

"Children and young people often go to the playing field for a kick around or a puck, and could have very easily come across this device with disastrous consequences.

"The entire community will strongly condemn this incident, and those responsible must desist in this type of threatening attack on a community facility," she said.

Police have appealed for anyone who saw any suspicious activity in the area on Wednesday evening to contact them.

>:( >:(
words fail me on this one





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on December 14, 2007, 08:42:30 AM
Down Secretary rang all clubs late last night to pass on a PSNI warning that all clubs need to be vigilant following the Ballela incident.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on December 14, 2007, 10:06:53 AM
cloneman that was a bit naughty of me i know, but was passing on what i had heard. story has got out that players had a meeting with new manager before even cathal murray knew he was gone....and supposedly that came from cathal murray! but i know how these things get completely distorted..

will be interested to see how s mcveigh goes. i think he has been slightly lucky with the teams/players he has had in recent years. much like jody gormley getting lucky winning a macrory, then ending up in the antrim job. there is no doubt tho that annaclone should be top 4 for the entire year next year in div2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RONAN on December 14, 2007, 01:32:41 PM
Following a request by the family of the late Emon Coleman, a special day of celebration to mark the life of the man himself is currently been organised for Saturday 7th June 2008, the first anniverasry of his death. On the day there will be a game between Derrys 93 All Ireland winning team and an Irish select of past and present players who played for and against Eamon.

Later in the evening an Informal Dinner will take place in a specialised marquee on the premises of St Treas Ballymaguigan Co Derry, which of course was Eamons home club. Cost of this event is £1000 per table, but in the event that you may not wish to avail of a table a donation of any kind would be very much appreciated.

The charities being supported which were close to Eamon are: Marie Curie Cancer, GOAL, Adoption UK, SMA and Foyle Hospice.

To book a table or make a voluntary contribution you can contact myself on 07875 400 839 or email me on: ronan@moltools.co.uk, or contact Jim Crozier on 07841100141 or email: jimgcrozier@msn.com. Jims address is 246 Shore Road, Magherafelt, Co Derry, BT45 6LH.

Any contributions via cheque can be made out to "Eamon Coleman Memorial Fund"

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on December 14, 2007, 01:59:41 PM
Quote from: cloneman on December 13, 2007, 09:45:54 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on December 13, 2007, 10:18:56 AM
stephen kearney is a huge boost for saval for next season; a quality player that will now shine at the right level.

rumours abound re: managers....

rostrevor have spoken to wee james and cathal o'rourke, both turned them down i hear

paddy is not taking the burren job.

bridge have the same team back

annaclone did the dirt on cathal murray; new manager rang him to tell him he was offered the job!

jerome johnston to take drumgath

anything else happening?



This is a rumour that has been doing the rounds latley but I can assure you that Annaclone did not do the dirt on Cathal Murray.  It was decided at committee level that we needed a change and Cathal was informed of this before anyone else was approached. 
Our new manager is now Steven McVeigh which should be a very good appointment.

Enda Kilpatrick and Terry McCann are taking Burren apparently - a very expensive package indeed - it is worse than England getting Cappello all these outside Managers!!! Are there not enough in Down to take these teams? Donnelly didnt exactly take the Bridge much further than Mickey!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saffron sam2 on December 14, 2007, 09:20:53 PM
Quote from: andunabu on December 12, 2007, 10:33:44 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 04, 2007, 05:30:04 PM
Quote from: Leo on December 04, 2007, 05:16:14 PM
Neil collins may be fresh in your mind but McKay was definitely better but Slim Donnan was best.

Although I dont remember McKay playing, I have heard many stories so I cannot really make a comment on him, but I clearly remember both Pat Donnan and Neil Collins and Collins was a better keeper in every way. I said in an earlier post that Collins will be mostly remembered for that penalty save, although he made many excellent saves besides that one, for me Donnan will only be remembered for that goal in `86.
Neil Collins has to be the all time Down No. 1.

Sorry lads, couldnt get logged on for ages. 

Have to totally disagree.  Collins was an excellent but also the luckiest keeper in that era.  In my opinion the 4 best goalies in the late 80s early 90s were Neil Patterson (Bosco), Eamonn Connolly (Warrenpoint) Paddy Kielty (Dundrum),& Declan Murdock (Burren).  All agile, great shot stoppers and above all super kick outs with direction.  Collins' kickouts weren't in their league.  I watched 91 final before the Rugby World Cup final on TG4, some of the kickouts weren't good. :o

PS I am not An Duin Abu (i'm the original)

Can't comment on Murdock, but Patterson was certainly better than the other two and far better than Collins who was IMO a fairly average keeper. Connolly got a few runs for the Down senior team (sub keeper in 94), but unfortunately for him, choose to have off-days on such occasions. Kielty is a better comedian and tv host than he ever was a goalkeeper. Read into that what you will. Patterson is very unlucky not to have two All-Ireland medals.

Quote from: goldenyears on December 13, 2007, 10:18:56 AM
stephen kearney is a huge boost for saval for next season; a quality player that will now shine at the right level.

A particular bone of contention for me are such transfers. I can't see the moral justification for such a transfer to go through. Such transfers are prevalent in Antrim and show a lack of the loyalty that is so important in the GAA. I know a lot of people even within the Saval club are not happy with this transfer going through - Kearney isn't transferring for Saval's benefit - it is to enhance his own inter-county career.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 15, 2007, 12:30:54 PM
What's the story with Ballykinlar? I hear they have called an extra-ordinary general meetting.
I know they've been struggling the last few years with so many lads in Iraq and Afganistan but surely they aren't going to fold or amalgamate with Dundrum?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 15, 2007, 06:44:42 PM
That EGM was nothing to do wif Ballykinlar folding or amalgamating wif Dundrum. I am 100% certain about that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on December 15, 2007, 09:21:49 PM
Theres little danger of Dundrum accepting them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 16, 2007, 05:31:43 PM
Ulster Minor club football championship today's result.
Wins for Errigal and Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 16, 2007, 08:35:33 PM
Burren beat Bryansford by 10 points in the Down U-20 Final today in Dunavil.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on December 17, 2007, 09:25:32 AM
What did you make of the Down panel for the McKenna cup ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 17, 2007, 09:52:59 AM
New managers - Jody Gormley will be taking Bredagh footballers next season and former Antrim & Down manager, Sean McGuinness is taking the hurlers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on December 17, 2007, 10:57:12 AM
Senior challenge; Down v Armagh - Tuesday night in Newcastle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on December 17, 2007, 01:27:30 PM
Where can you see the panel for the Mckenna Cup downredblack??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on December 17, 2007, 01:51:48 PM
I seen it in the Gaelic life , I'll stick it up tomorrow if no one posts it in the mean time .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on December 17, 2007, 05:41:38 PM
Anyone know wat time the game in Newcastle is at?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saffron sam2 on December 17, 2007, 08:53:24 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 16, 2007, 06:49:43 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 14, 2007, 09:20:53 PM

Can't comment on Murdock, but Patterson was certainly better than the other two and far better than Collins who was IMO a fairly average keeper.

Fairly average keepers dont win two All Irelands.

Ah, that old chestnut.  Footballing ability is directly proportional to the number of All-Ireland medals you win. Thanks for your contribution.

Who is the better keeper in your mind, Collins or Mickey McVeigh? No hurry with your answer. :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on December 17, 2007, 10:42:50 PM
Sorry to intrude on a private dispute lads, just wanted to cast a vote for M. Mc Veigh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on December 18, 2007, 12:36:36 PM
Down panel for McKenna Cup taken from the GL.


Bernard Connell , Martin Cole , Declan Alder , Liam Doyle , Conor Gribben ,
Gerry McArdle , Dan McCartan , John McCarthy , Paul Murphy ,Ciaran McGovern ,
Darren O'Hanlon , Damien Rafferty , Martin Rafferty , Brendan Rooney ,
Damien Turley , Dan Gordan , Benny Coulter , Danny Hughes , Ambrose Rodgers ,
John McAreavey , Kevin McKernan , Ronan Sexton , Ryan Straney , John Fegan ,
Ronan Murtagh , Stephen Kearney , Jack Lynch , Kevin McGuigan , Brian Sweeney,
Declan Rooney , Peter Turley .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on December 18, 2007, 01:47:36 PM
I'm told Michael Walsh will be togging out for London this spring.

Also Declan Morgan is the new manager of Saval.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on December 18, 2007, 04:18:43 PM
So the joke that was the division 3 relagation mess is now sorted there will be 13 teams playing division 3 football with 3 being relegated. Why did we not just change the leagues around when it was talked about. Although why should they ask the clubs at all just go to the ccc and tell them to change the structures.
I know i for one was in favour of the change. I also hope the fixtures commitee get together and sort the fixtures this year and no 4 games in 10 days shit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on December 18, 2007, 07:42:10 PM
I'm sure the six teams remaining in Division 4 feel valued and appreciated members of the association. It would serve the DCB right if Ballykinlar did merge with Dundrum. They should bite the bullet now, geographically split div 3 and bring up any of the six who want to come up (those who don't to the EDRL). A six team division is a complete joke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on December 18, 2007, 08:16:39 PM
they should put burren mayobridge kilcoo rostrevor and clonduff  seconds in div 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on December 18, 2007, 08:21:39 PM
Quote from: whyarerefssobad on December 18, 2007, 08:16:39 PM
they should put burren mayobridge kilcoo rostrevor and clonduff  seconds in div 4
Are you joking? They would walk it!
I really think Ballykinlar & Aughlisnafin should play East Down for a couple of years until their standards improve. If the Finn are to carry on they need a youth set up.

The other 4 should join Div 3 and play it is 2 sections. A 6 team Div 4 league is a joke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on December 18, 2007, 08:23:49 PM
Quote from: whyarerefssobad on December 18, 2007, 08:16:39 PM
they should put burren mayobridge kilcoo rostrevor and clonduff  seconds in div 4

Those teams would win by a cricket score every week (and most weeks in division three as well).

Kinlar and the fin would be better off in the EDRL for the time being (but playing on a Friday night against second strings and sunday afternoon against thirds), the other four would/could be competitive in three if they put the effort in.

Great minds eh Bacon. If its that obvious to us what about the DCB?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on December 18, 2007, 08:43:12 PM
i know what yous mean lads but the premier reserve is not much better the teams i named get it tight against one an other and beat the rest easy they need to revamp the whole lower leagues
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on December 18, 2007, 09:42:53 PM
Anyone at the game 2nite, what was the Down line up like? and who played well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 18, 2007, 10:47:21 PM
Quote from: off the laces on December 18, 2007, 04:18:43 PM
So the joke that was the division 3 relagation mess is now sorted there will be 13 teams playing division 3 football with 3 being relegated. Why did we not just change the leagues around when it was talked about. Although why should they ask the clubs at all just go to the ccc and tell them to change the structures.
I know i for one was in favour of the change. I also hope the fixtures commitee get together and sort the fixtures this year and no 4 games in 10 days shit.
Was at the east down convention and sean rooney spoke up to confirm that he would not be laying the fixtures the same as last year ie no 4 games in 10 days, however the leagues would be finishing off later in the year. common sense in my view
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on December 19, 2007, 08:42:20 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 17, 2007, 09:52:59 AM
New managers - Jody Gormley will be taking Bredagh footballers next season and former Antrim & Down manager, Sean McGuinness is taking the hurlers.

I've just seen this post from earlier in the week. 2 good appointments for Bredagh Lecale. I think Sean McGuiness was with Queen's last year. He also helps out his son who coaches Sarsfields. He'll certainly demand respect in the dressing room!

Signs of an ambitious club on both the football and the hurling sides.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on December 19, 2007, 09:43:30 AM
Lecale did paddy heaney step down or get the boot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 19, 2007, 09:46:42 AM
Stood down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 19, 2007, 10:30:06 AM
McGuinness is a good signing alright. He is a strong personality who'll line the team out well and varys his training well to keep it interesting. Are you now in 'Div1' in Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 19, 2007, 11:36:05 AM
Quote from: imagine on December 19, 2007, 11:13:57 AM
Sean Mc Guinness will be up against men he managed in the 90's still plying their trade in the Ards 2nd teams.The language will be colourful
but a good apoointment all the same.

Not really barring Gazza if Ballycran regrade him and possibly Paul Coulter. McGuinness is more likely to see these men in the form of Danny Hogg and Lorenzo McMullan in his own changing room. All those other guys have retired.

He's more likely to be standing on the same sideline as some of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 19, 2007, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: imagine on December 19, 2007, 11:47:05 AM
Gazza and Paul Coulter.Is that all?The sea air around the Ards must be putting them out to graze early.

McGuinness' team in the early 90's were fairly seasoned by the time he took over and only Gerard McGrattan there was no real young blood who broke into the first 15, so it's not surprising that 10 to 15 years later none are lacing up the boots.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 19, 2007, 02:04:44 PM
HUgh Gilmore lined out for the crans 3rds last year but I think it was a one off. Lorenzo & Danny started for Bredagh all year.

Bredagh will be playing "Div 1" next year. Along with the seconds teams from the Ards, Newry, Kilclief, Ballela and Liatroim. With a South Down team in the NHL and Nicky Rackard Cup I don't expect us to get many matches.

Paddy will be wanting county players protected, the clubs can't field without them and league games will probably be called off. We might be better concentrating on Antrim or Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on December 20, 2007, 02:36:58 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 17, 2007, 08:53:24 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 16, 2007, 06:49:43 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on December 14, 2007, 09:20:53 PM

Can't comment on Murdock, but Patterson was certainly better than the other two and far better than Collins who was IMO a fairly average keeper.

Fairly average keepers dont win two All Irelands.

Ah, that old chestnut.  Footballing ability is directly proportional to the number of All-Ireland medals you win. Thanks for your contribution.

Who is the better keeper in your mind, Collins or Mickey McVeigh? No hurry with your answer. :)

I personally think Collins was a much better keeper.  He had far better reflexes than McVeigh and it is no coincidence Down won their 2 All Irelands when he was in nets between 1991 and 1995.  Micky McVeigh was a big man but a lot of his saves where because a player would blast the ball and it would strike off him, but he had trouble getting down if a player kept a shot low.  He had a monster kick out long before tees came into use though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 20, 2007, 02:52:22 PM
Quoteand it is no coincidence Down won their 2 All Irelands when he was in nets between 1991 and 1995
Aye, that's a fair point. Nothing to with Deegan, Breen, Higgins, G McCartan, J McCartan, Carr, Blaney and Linden being at, or near, their prime.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on December 20, 2007, 03:30:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 20, 2007, 02:52:22 PM
Quoteand it is no coincidence Down won their 2 All Irelands when he was in nets between 1991 and 1995
Aye, that's a fair point. Nothing to with Deegan, Breen, Higgins, G McCartan, J McCartan, Carr, Blaney and Linden being at, or near, their prime.

Why is everyone so hard on Collins? When did he ever let the team down? Answers by return.
Did he not save a penalty in an All Ireland final that today would mean automatic All Star recognition but the southern hacks had to sort o'dreary out because he was a Dub!

A ironic story to All Stars and 1994 was Eamonn Burns was the only Down Player not selected as a nominee - on the morning they were published a dublin hack rang Burns at home and asked him what he thought of the situation, Burns replied ask John O'Leary what he would swap this morning a All Star nominee or All Ireland Medal and hung up - Burns tells this story to this day -  at 1am and after his 10th pint of guinness!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on December 20, 2007, 03:50:38 PM

Aye, that's a fair point. Nothing to with Deegan, Breen, Higgins, G McCartan, J McCartan, Carr, Blaney and Linden being at, or near, their prime.
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Lot of people being very hard on Collins. His  record speak for itself.

With regards to McVeigh being a better goal keeper many are over looking other facets of the game. McVeigh was and is without doubt a suberb goal keeper, but ask any Down defender over the last ten years and they will tell you he did not help their cause by constant slagging and vitriol. Granted, a keeper should be bollicking his defenders, particularly if you are a Down defender in the last ten years, but his comments were rarely helpful.

On the other hand, the Down teams of 91 and 94 appear to have nothing but respect for Collins and I would bow to their superior knowledge. I cannot recall even one mistake Collins made in his time between the posts. Perhaps someone else can. My memory is one of absolute soild assurance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on December 20, 2007, 06:42:45 PM
Anybody know how the Down v Armagh went on tuesday nite?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Guillem2 on December 20, 2007, 09:44:10 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 19, 2007, 11:36:05 AM
Quote from: imagine on December 19, 2007, 11:13:57 AM
Sean Mc Guinness will be up against men he managed in the 90's still plying their trade in the Ards 2nd teams.The language will be colourful
but a good apoointment all the same.

Not really barring Gazza if Ballycran regrade him and possibly Paul Coulter. McGuinness is more likely to see these men in the form of Danny Hogg and Lorenzo McMullan in his own changing room. All those other guys have retired.

He's more likely to be standing on the same sideline as some of them.

No doubt it's a good appointment especially if he brings his son Colm with him. I played under him and while we had our differences I have to say he's the best I ever worked with. Even though I didn't know it at the time.

McGuinness is no fool and will quickly establish who can hurl. He'll take no shit from committees and will line the team out well. He'll not tolerate players turning up late or lack of discipline. Bredagh would need to have a big squad becaue there are players who will not take his approach and will walk away. If the rest stick with him they will play the best hurling of their lives!

I will watch developments with interest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 20, 2007, 10:12:14 PM
Colm is coming as well, think the intention is that he will take most of the training. It is a great coup for the club and shows how serious the club are. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 20, 2007, 10:51:31 PM
Milkman, I was at the game. Wasnt keeping the score but Armagh won by a couple. Down were poor in the 1st half before Ross made some good changes at halftime. The 2nd half was much more even.
This was the 5th Challenge game I have seen and from what ive observed Down are definitely improving.
A few observations: 1. The Down selection were physically inferior to their Armagh counterparts in most departments.
2. Down's more established players stood out by a mile. 3. At times we played some really good counter attacking football but our attacking play from a static start was poor. 4. Ultimately (Referring to my 1st Observation - As a unit we are not physically strong enough yet.

Starting 15 from memory.
1. B.Connell (Drumgath) - Only conceded one goal, kickouts good but Alder is better.
2. C.McGovern (Burren) - Really impressive. Marks tightly and plays like a terrier.
3. M.Cole (Rostrevor) - Gets a bit of stick. Great going forward but defensively he is limited. Gets caught out of position too often.
4. L.Howard (Bryansford) - Brilliant. Gets right up attackers arses and is really good at carrying the ball out of defence.
5. J.Hurley (Dundrum) - More accustomed to a central position. Doesnt seem comfortable at wing back. Struggles to get involved in games. Good ball carrier.
6. D.O'Hanlon (Ballymartin) - Just doesnt seem to cut it at this level. Far too laxydasical.
7. B.Rooney (Mayobridge) - Good tackler. Fast paced. Should maybe get a bit more experience with the U-21's.
8. D.Rooney (Burren) - Got injured within 10 minutes of the start.
9. J.Lynch (Drumgath) - Getting more confident with every game. Can mix it with the big boys. Great heart.
10. C.Magee (Mayobridge) - Not good enough for Senior intercounty.
11. R.Sexton (Mayobridge) - Superb. Everything went through him. Strength, speed and skill in abundance.
12. K.McKernan (Burren) - Tries really hard. Needs a few more years yet to adjust to the required standard.
13. J.McAreavey (Tullylish) - One trick pony - left foot. Little pace which seriously hinders him.
14. B.Sweeney (St Michaels) - Nowhere near county standard.
15. D.Hughes (Saval) - Shooting was a bit wonky but won plenty of ball and looked hungry.

Subs:
R.Stranney (Loughinisland) - Came on for Rooney at midfield. Won a ton of ball clean. Distributes it well. Great find.
P.Turley (Downpatrick) - Looked eager. Comfortable in possession. Beer gut is his only hinderance otherwise he should be on the panel.
K.McGuigan (Shamrocks) - Deployed in the forwards. Shows well. Better suited to wingback maybe.
P.Fitzpatrick (Ballymartin) - Couldnt get in to it.
P. Downey (Drumgath) - See above.
M.Rafferty (Shamrocks) - Bilstering speed. Saw little ball though.

From what ive seen in the past month or so, this would be my Starting 15 for Down this year.
1. D.Alder
2. L.Howard
3. D.McCartan
4. C.McGovern
5. K.McGuigan
6. L.Doyle
7. D.Rafferty
8. D.Gordon
9. J.Lynch
10. R.Murtagh
11. A.Rodgers
12. R.Sexton
13. P.Comiskey
14. B.Coulter
15. D.Hughes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 20, 2007, 11:57:05 PM
Many thanks to DownFanatic for the report, but your chosen first 15 is dodgy at the back. Dan McCartan has the heart but not the physique to play full back at county level. While he might do in the corner, we will have to find a No 3 elsewhere. On the evidence of last summer, Kevin McGuigan has pace but lacks basic defensive skills and is too light. A half-back line with McGuigan, Dee Rafferty and Liam Doyle would be far too small for championship football. Doyle must be given a run at centre half, but Rafferty, while talented, may struggle against a bigger and stronger opponent.

I have seen very little of McGovern, but Howard looked the part from his St Louis days and should get his chance in the league. Alder has size, ability and a decent kick-out, so he also deserves a number of games.

We don't have enough midfielders to write off Jackie Lynch, but he made little impact with his club in division three last year and he must have improved beyond recognition if he is to become anything more than a fringe figure. Ambrose, with a little more self-belief, is still our best best to partner Dan in the middle, but Peter Fitzpatrick, if he makes any decent progress with the u21s, could still be an option.

I would not worry too much about our forwards at this stage, as, apart from the lack of an obvious no 11, the talent is there. If James Colgan can prove that he wants to be a senior county footballer, there should be a place for him somewhere as well.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on December 21, 2007, 10:31:18 AM
heard john clarke is back any truth in it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 21, 2007, 11:27:51 AM
Alder for goals definitely.

Cant see how Dan Mc Cartan gets selected at all. Foul a minute man!
Pleased to see Howard and C McGovern in contention but M Cole cant play No. 3 and he is our best corner. Finding a full back is priority.
Agree with Doyle at 6 but we need two big men at wing back. McGuigan is nowehere near county standard.
If Clarke is back I would play him full forward where he was a revelation for An Riocht last year and give Benny a freer role. Would also like to see James Cunningham given a try out.

HF: McComiskey, Murtagh, Sexton
FF: Coulter, Clarke, Hughes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on December 21, 2007, 11:50:32 AM
Quote from: Leo on December 21, 2007, 11:27:51 AM
Alder for goals definitely.

Cant see how Dan Mc Cartan gets selected at all. Foul a minute man!
Pleased to see Howard and C McGovern in contention but M Cole cant play No. 3 and he is our best corner. Finding a full back is priority.
Agree with Doyle at 6 but we need two big men at wing back. McGuigan is nowehere near county standard.
If Clarke is back I would play him full forward where he was a revelation for An Riocht last year and give Benny a freer role. Would also like to see James Cunningham given a try out.

HF: McComiskey, Murtagh, Sexton
FF: Coulter, Clarke, Hughes


I think that HF. line might be a bit light.

1.Alder
2.Rafferty
3.Murphy
4.McGovern
5.Howard
6.Doyle
7.Murtagh
8.Lynch
9.Gordan
10.Rodgers
11.Carr
12.Sexton
13.Coulter
14.Downey
15.McComiskey

Id would prefere two bigger men at no.5&7 but just cant think of any good enough

I agree though that if John Clarke is back home id def. bring him in full forward, seen him play there a few times thsi year and was very impressed!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on December 21, 2007, 12:13:32 PM

We all agree that we need to find someone for full back.  And that problem has been around for a number of seasons now.
And most posters are in favour of pulling Benny out of full forward.   So why not play our best player at full back?
Benny has a) great ball winning ability,  b) good distributional stills, and c) a great reader of the game. All skills required at fullback.
The way county football has gone in recent years, the role of the full back is less about tackling and more about ball winning. i.e. winning the ball before the full forward.   Monaghan were not afraid to try out something radical like that last season, successfully.

And I agree, Liam Doyle at centre back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on December 21, 2007, 12:23:25 PM
agree we should try benny full back have to try something
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 21, 2007, 12:33:18 PM
It is the silly season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on December 21, 2007, 12:50:03 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 21, 2007, 12:33:18 PM
It is the silly season

It may be!   :D

But has it been tried and proven to fail?   Is that not the purpose of challenge games, McKenna Cup, and (dare I say it) div 3 NFL ?

And, and an earlier poster noted that there are no immediate worries regarding the forwards.  I have to agree with them, we have a lopsided balance of ability in the squad/county,  tipping the scales in favour of the forwards....

So we can afford to try Benny out at full back.    Or, given our immediate need to fix the full back problem, can we afford NOT to try him out there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on December 21, 2007, 01:01:38 PM
Benny played defence for mayobridge minors so it would not be new to him its worth a try nothing ventured nothing gained
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on December 21, 2007, 01:11:29 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 20, 2007, 11:57:05 PM

I would not worry too much about our forwards at this stage, as, apart from the lack of an obvious no 11, the talent is there. If James Colgan can prove that he wants to be a senior county footballer, there should be a place for him somewhere as well.



I couldn't agree more than with both of those  statements........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on December 21, 2007, 02:48:05 PM
Great post Downfanatic , cant wait for the McKenna cup to start and get a look at some our new prospects .
That's the work dusted for another year , time for a few pints . Hope all you boys have a great Christmas .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 21, 2007, 03:19:20 PM
Seriously, Benny Coulter is our most talented forward. By miles. And fellas are suggesting playing him in defence. Are yis off your fuckin heads?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on December 21, 2007, 03:45:30 PM
wobbler tell me what Benny has done for down this last three years.the mangers that got the best out off him was Trixy that was at midfield for down minors and MC Corry for mayobridge at midfield or half forward to have him stuck in full forward is a waste off time so we might as well play him at full back we need our best player on the ball
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on December 21, 2007, 09:10:44 PM
Definitely worth trying Coulter at full back, in my view the forward unit operates better without him, with players taking on responsibility instead of looking for Benny
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 21, 2007, 09:34:15 PM
In my Selected first 15, I forgot all about Paul Murphy. Would he not possibly be our best option at Full Back? As for Benn ygoing back there, catch yourselves on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 22, 2007, 12:24:38 AM
A debate about our championship full back for 2008 would be very useful. His name is not Benny Coulter, but let's have a few suggestions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on December 22, 2007, 12:51:29 AM
Could someone tell me how many minutes Liam Doyle has played CHB for the Down senior football team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 22, 2007, 07:30:15 AM
I think Benny could be the long term replacement for Mickey McVeigh in goals. He once played in goals at u12 and did well. The only problem might be the forwards continually passing back to him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 22, 2007, 12:21:31 PM
Passedit, I cannot recall Liam Doyle ever starting at CHB for Down seniors in a competitive game. He has played at midfield, and most of the forward positions, and I seem to remember that he even had a match or two at full back. However, after captaining Down to the 1999 AI minor championship at no 6, he has always been kept elsewhere.

Paddy O'Rourke appeared to have a closed mind on the issue. He regarded Doyle as a forward, and, no matter how often fans demanded  an opportunity to see him at CHB, Paddy was not for shifting.

Some people might wonder why a player who has had so many injuries and has no senior experience at CHB should be widely regarded as the answer to the problems we had had in that position.

However, when free of injury, Doyle is someone who can win the ball and use it very effectively. He is a strong tackler, has leadership qualities and is capable of getting forward to support his midfield and even take a score. His form over the last few seasons has not been great, and he is probably on the small side for a central position, but class is permanent and he deserves at the very least to be given the whole of the league to settle the argument once and for all - assuming he is fit. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on December 22, 2007, 09:34:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 21, 2007, 03:19:20 PM
Seriously, Benny Coulter is our most talented forward. By miles. And fellas are suggesting playing him in defence. Are yis off your fuckin heads?

Im with you on this one wobbler!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on December 22, 2007, 09:52:57 PM
Two things

Surely football is about outscoring your opponents.  You score more than the opposition, you win the game.  Whats the sense then in putting you most dangerous forward at full back.  He puts the shit up some many defences that most have to put two men on him.  I could see them doing this with Packy or Danny Hughes.

Secondly, Liam Doyle peaked when he was 18 years of age.  He has done nothing since.  He is totally overrated and to put him at CHB would be a major mistake.  Based on his performances in the red and black, he doesn't deserve a place on the team.  Surely if he was fit, and stayed of the sauce, he would be an addition to the team.  He has been a passenger and was picked because of his reputation and potential.  Not good enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 22, 2007, 10:35:01 PM
I'm pretty sure that Doyle started at 6 in the kids vs men qualifier against Armagh in 2001 or 2002. The one when Sean Ward gave Oisin something really worth writing about. To be honest though i couldn't tell you much else about that game.

Cloc Mor, I'd say that's an OTT analysis of Doyle. He may not have reached his potential, but I'd argue that a serious injury every other year has played a much bigger part in this than any fondness for booze. On that point, it is a side effect of living next door to craic lords like Geezer that in our county we seem to think that anything can be achieved in GAA with a monk's lifestyle. Let's be realistic, If Down's best XV did nothing but train 100% from now to May, they still wouldn't have as much chance of winning an All-Ireland as the Armagh team from the early 2000s did. Enjoying a drink might stop you from getting to the very top in our game, but ability will stop you long before it matters.

'Imagine', funnily enough, I agree with you condeming my language. But really, these people have to be taking the piss. We should be looking at playing defenders in defence, and as many as can possibly get away at that. The last thing we need is another forward back there. Actually, that's not true. The last thing we need is our best forward, our goal machine forward, back there. It's nothing short of ludicrous.


Lastly, re who should play full-back, I'd like to see fellas who actually play club full-back tried there first. Gary McArdle, Andrew Kane, Darren Cunningham (again). If none of those work out, then give young Howard a run at it. I've a feeling James Colgan could play there, but I'd imagine he doesn't. As for Paul Murphy, I'd be shocked if he has it in him to play there. His greatest strength as a player is his dynamism, and that's one of the last attributes you find in genuine full-backs.

Speaking of square pegs in round holes, Darren O'Hanlon was one of the most impressive players in Division II this season, playing either as a forward or an attacking midfielder. Yet it would seem already that at county level they want to play him in defence. This won't do anyone any favours. I know we need to find defenders, but you would never have picked him out as a county defender when he played defence for Ballymartin, so why do they reckon he is a defender now that he has shone as a forward? Same story with Clarke for the past five years, and Kevin McKernan will no doubt be the next to suffer.

Anyways, Happy Christmas to y'all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on December 22, 2007, 10:35:28 PM
Secondly, Liam Doyle peaked when he was 18 years of age.  He has done nothing since.  He is totally overrated and to put him at CHB would be a major mistake.  Based on his performances in the red and black, he doesn't deserve a place on the team.  Surely if he was fit, and stayed of the sauce, he would be an addition to the team.  He has been a passenger and was picked because of his reputation and potential.  Not good enough

Its true, the Emperor has no clothes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on December 22, 2007, 10:49:56 PM
Wobbler, I feel you are being kind to Doyle be saying he was not reached his potential yet.  Managers have persevered with him yet, continually, his performances have been well below standard.  In regards to the drink, I have never advocated a 'monks life' for any county players but some do have issues and I believe that Doyle's performances on the field may be directly related to his lifestyle off it.

The Emperor must be cold in this weather, Pangurban, without any clothes!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 22, 2007, 10:56:19 PM
Cloc Mor, the thing though is that Doyle hasn't disappointed anymore than anyone else in a Down shirt since 1999, and I'd even suggest he has been one of our better performers during that time. Yep, he has never reached the heights we all expected, but he's still been better than most of his teammates.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cloc Mor on December 22, 2007, 11:08:55 PM
I really cant agree with you on that one, Wobbler.  Having seen alot of him for club and county I still feel he can do so much more.  When he 'takes the notion' to play football he really exerts himself, for his club anyway.  I have rarely seen this quality in the Down jersey recently and thats what disappoints me most. 

Wobbler, we'll soon be talking about him and his team mates who have done nothing since '99.  How depressing is that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 23, 2007, 01:55:56 AM
Wobbler, you are quite right. Doyle did play CHB against Armagh at Casement in 2001, but we were beaten so comprehensively that day it would be hard to judge anyone. He needs to play three or four games in the position before he can be assessed. It is very easy for someone like Cloc Mor to write him off, but there is not the slightest sign of an alternative for the position. Come on Cloc Mor, give us your suggestion for the no 6 jersey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 23, 2007, 08:31:47 AM
Benny played in nets for the Bridge against Saval in a friendly game a few years ago.  He saved a penalty and kept soling the ball out of defence selling dummies and taking 1-2's.  He probably would be quite effective in nets or full back but I think it would be a bit of a waste.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 24, 2007, 03:42:25 PM
Quote from: whyarerefssobad on December 21, 2007, 01:01:38 PM
Benny played defence for mayobridge minors so it would not be new to him its worth a try nothing ventured nothing gained

He was a midfielder for Mayobridge minors.


If I were in charge, he'd be a half forward that would be directly competing for kickouts. Or a full forward pulled out to play as a half forward (so he wouldn't have to worry about tracking back too much).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 24, 2007, 03:56:52 PM
FFS let him manage as well, take the team talks, take the kick outs to himself and everything else as well.

where would he want to play if asked?

Personally I think he would be a better half forward, great running with he ball and accurate to boot
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on December 24, 2007, 04:34:17 PM
think you will find he played four years for the bridge minors and at least one off them in defence
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 24, 2007, 05:07:02 PM
Quote from: whyarerefssobad on December 24, 2007, 04:34:17 PM
think you will find he played four years for the bridge minors and at least one off them in defence

Must have been his earlier years, cos everytime we played them he was midfield.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on December 24, 2007, 06:03:47 PM
This is off the subject, but does anyone think that the new Down year books are of poor quality? Mine has fallen to pieces and ive had it 2 weeks!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on December 24, 2007, 06:54:07 PM
mine fell apart after two days
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on December 24, 2007, 08:27:42 PM
Re Down Yearbooks, quality poor and content unimaginative, sad to report this as it is an area where we usually do well.Llke the rest of the Co.affairs, needs a shake up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 25, 2007, 01:10:04 AM
Happy Christmas to all Down supporters, including Cloc Mor, who is obviously taking a little time to collect his thoughts on who should play at CHB for us, if Liam Doyle does not merit even a league game or two there in 2008. Perhaps Doyle never will deliver on on his full  potential, but it is a little harsh to suggest he has done "nothing" since 1999. He was the official MoM in the UUJ 2001 Sigerson winning team and scored a wonder goal against Tyrone in the 2003 Ulster senior final. His form has been up and down since then, and his injuries have been been well documented, but the suggestion here is that he deserves a run in what most Down supporters regard as his best position so we can at least make up our minds. I have no interest in his social life, but I am fairly confident that a number of double AI winners from 91 and 94 enjoyed the odd night out. Perhaps Cloc Mor knows better ...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on December 27, 2007, 12:46:30 AM
Folks, I know this is a bit of blatant advertising but I'm organising this GAA Q & A Night to raise monies for the Southern Area Hospice Services which cover much of Down, Armagh and a fair bit of Tyrone too. 
It's on the first Wednesday after the start of the NFL and since I've managed to get it sponsored, I'm pushing it as much as I can.
I'll add more details as others guests are confirmed but if you want more details, feel free to PM me.

Thanks
PW


Gaelic Life GAA Q & A NIGHT
In association with the Newry Reporter
In aid of the 
SOUTHERN AREA HOSPICE SERVICES

In the CANAL COURT HOTEL, NEWRY
On WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 6, 2008
@ 7.45pm - TICKETS £10

MC for the evening, the BBC's MARK SIDEBOTTOM

Guests include
JARLATH BURNS & JOE KERNAN
Plus OTHERS TBC

Tickets (made payable to Southern Area Hospice Services)
can be purchased from the following:
Darren / Mairead, Gaelic Life, 14 John Street, Omagh, BT78 1DW. Tel: 028 8225 5959
Paul Welsh, Newry Reporter, 4 Margaret Street, Newry, BT35 1DF. Tel: 028 3026 7633
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on December 27, 2007, 09:16:21 AM
QuoteBenny played in nets for the Bridge against Saval in a friendly game a few years ago.  He saved a penalty and kept soling the ball out of defence selling dummies and taking 1-2's.  He probably would be quite effective in nets or full back but I think it would be a bit of a waste.

It's the only answer boys, let Benny at it.

Mallon, how drunk were you when you posted that?

We are fucked and the sooner a few of you guys realise it the better.  There is no quick fix, the footballers aren't there and aren't likely to be in the next 3 years.  We are shite, so relax and forget about winning championships and just enjoy the odd day on the beer following the tubes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 28, 2007, 11:35:52 AM
The assessment from No 1 is likely to prove sadly accurate unless we can come up with a viable defence in some shape or form. The omens are not good, but we can only hope that the McKenna Cup produces some possibilities. However, the truth is that, with only a handful of exceptions, we have not been producing defenders of inter-county standard for over a decade. Until that changes, nothing else will.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on December 28, 2007, 11:46:43 AM
reports say clogan is back anyone confirm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 28, 2007, 11:49:13 AM
No1 - I wasn't suggesting that we play Benny in nets.  I'm just saying that if he was stuck in nets he'd do alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on December 28, 2007, 12:06:30 PM
AM, I knew what you were saying, I was taking the piss.  No offence mean't.

Today's IN says Colgan is off to Portugal to train with the rest of the squad at the start of January.  Good to see him back.  How long till he throws the head up again?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 28, 2007, 02:08:55 PM
No1 no offence taken, I just want to clarify my position before I get pulled some night in the club for suggesting Down play Benny in nets!  ;D

Good to see Colgan back, he is worth his place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on December 28, 2007, 02:30:52 PM
things starting to look a bit more promising with Clarke and colgan back looking forward to mc kenna cup
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 28, 2007, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 28, 2007, 11:35:52 AM
However, the truth is that, with only a handful of exceptions, we have not been producing defenders of inter-county standard for over a decade. Until that changes, nothing else will.

100% truth.



The players simply aren't in the county at the present time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on December 28, 2007, 05:44:19 PM
Quote from: whyarerefssobad on December 28, 2007, 02:30:52 PM
things starting to look a bit more promising with Clarke and colgan back looking forward to mc kenna cup


Can any1 def. confirm that John Clarke is def. back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 29, 2007, 08:58:02 AM
Quote from: amallon on December 28, 2007, 11:49:13 AM
No1 - I wasn't suggesting that we play Benny in nets.  I'm just saying that if he was stuck in nets he'd do alright.

Play Benny in all 15 positions. This is obviously based on his outstanding form iin the Down jersey in the year just past.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Armagh4SamAgain on December 29, 2007, 09:40:03 AM
Leo = dick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 30, 2007, 01:25:45 AM
when benny was 15 he palyed in 97 minor final v burren at left half back and done marking job on p bradley.. he played his three remaing years in his best postion at midfield. you just need a good partner with him (cough cough)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 30, 2007, 11:00:48 AM
Aye Tommy, I think you might need to make a few lifestyle changes!  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 31, 2007, 10:55:26 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 30, 2007, 01:25:45 AM
you just need a good partner with him (cough cough)


You coughing in Ross's direction?  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on January 02, 2008, 08:46:54 PM
Can any one confirm that Damian Barton of Derry is Burren's new manager?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 02, 2008, 09:18:41 PM
Umpire

it has a thread of its own http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=6149.msg220472#new (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=6149.msg220472#new)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 03, 2008, 10:43:16 AM
Lecale - Check your PM when you have a chance...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: up down on January 03, 2008, 07:30:39 PM
barton has been confirmed as the new burren manager, trainers/selectors are ray morgan, brendan mckernan and fergal mccusker.

good luck to bryansford this season, i hope they put in the commitment and avoid the drop to division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 03, 2008, 08:18:25 PM
Is this Fergal Mc Cusker of Derry fame or another Fergal?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 03, 2008, 08:29:30 PM
anyone else hear any rumours of any members of the squad not taking the trip? aside from the obvious?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on January 03, 2008, 09:26:21 PM
 "aside from the obvious"?Who didn't travel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 03, 2008, 09:55:11 PM
McComiskey not going due to exam commitments
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on January 04, 2008, 04:58:52 AM
Why is it a big secret who is going to La Manga?

I see they have arranged a trip for both county hurling squads. They're going to Kilclief on Sunday afternoon. I hope the weather's not too warm for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 04, 2008, 10:28:17 AM
Aidan Carr is also travelling at the moment so he is unavailable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 04, 2008, 11:14:16 AM
Quote from: Aristotle Flynn on January 04, 2008, 04:58:52 AM

I see they have arranged a trip for both county hurling squads. They're going to Kilclief on Sunday afternoon. I hope the weather's not too warm for them.

The hurlers are going skiing on sunday
;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 04, 2008, 01:46:33 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on January 04, 2008, 11:14:16 AM
Quote from: Aristotle Flynn on January 04, 2008, 04:58:52 AM

I see they have arranged a trip for both county hurling squads. They're going to Kilclief on Sunday afternoon. I hope the weather's not too warm for them.

The hurlers are going skiing on sunday
;D

No compliants there then!!  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 04, 2008, 03:58:57 PM
heard rumour that one of the senior panelist didnt travel after a falling out with ross!

Don't know for sure it true thats why i wouldnt like to name names!just to see had any1 else heard?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on January 05, 2008, 03:25:43 PM
Benny isnt away.  Either is Ambrose
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 05, 2008, 08:10:28 PM
Say what you heard lfdown2!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 06, 2008, 12:33:22 PM
as above heard an unconfirmed rumor that benny hadnt made the trip due to a fall out!dont how true it is..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 06, 2008, 06:21:24 PM
Benny's not away because he's awaiting an operation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 06, 2008, 07:36:08 PM
heard Benny  thought he was going was told no difference until  ambrose phoned him on the Friday and told him that no injured players were going was not too pleased and can you blame him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on January 06, 2008, 07:51:36 PM
Joe Brolly will also be part of the panel for the Gaelic Life GAA Q & A Night in the Canal Court Hotel, Newry, on February 6.

So that's: Joe Kernan, Joe Brolly, Jarlath Burns and Sean Kelly (there may be one more) plus Mark Sidebottom as MC

Gaelic Life GAA Q & A NIGHT
In association with the Newry Reporter
In aid of the 
SOUTHERN AREA HOSPICE SERVICES

In the CANAL COURT HOTEL, NEWRY
On WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 6, 2008
@ 7.45pm - TICKETS £10

MC for the evening, the BBC's MARK SIDEBOTTOM

Taking your questions will be
JARLATH BURNS, JOE KERNAN, JOE BROLLY & SEAN KELLY
(with may be one more)


Tickets can be purchased in advance from the following:
Darren / Mairead, Gaelic Life, 14 John Street, Omagh, BT78 1DW. Tel: 028 8225 5959
Paul Welsh, Newry Reporter, 4 Margaret Street, Newry, BT35 1DF. Tel: 028 3026 7633
(please make cheque payable to Southern Area Hospice Services)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 06, 2008, 07:54:13 PM
Out in Front, with the greatest respect, this is a thread for Down Club football and hurling. I don't care what you cause is, please don't post any more adverts on it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on January 06, 2008, 08:27:46 PM
The advert is for an event concening Down GAA, I think it has every right to be posted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 06, 2008, 08:34:13 PM
QuoteThe advert is for an event concening Down GAA
Concerning Down GAA? Only in the most tenuous of ways. Do we have to have an advert every week telling us about such an event.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on January 06, 2008, 08:53:40 PM
Question for "thewobbler",since when did you become the moderator of this forum?                                                                                    I dont have a problem (& i'm sure other members feel the same) with the advert for the Q&A night, especially given the fact that it is to raise money for the southern area hospice, which does tremendous work in this area.So maybe you should wind your neck in & possibly even support the event which i have no doubt is for a very worthy cause.     PS:Before you ask i dont work for the hospice or for Gaelic life.                    
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 06, 2008, 09:10:12 PM
Why do we have the said panel that is Advertised for the night?
Surely an event held in Down should have a Down Stalwart on the Panel, after all we have 5 all irelands!

Whats the betting that muppet Tierney makes the line up as well?

What will the questions be on? Armaghs success in 02, Jarlath's regret at retiring and Joe's future in the game - there you go 2 hours covered so far - then Brolly will have his say.
There will be some Orange Jersies about that night no doubt!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 06, 2008, 09:18:46 PM
Wind my neck in?

As stated above, it's a month until the event. I'd rather not have a useful thread like this plagued with adverts for a month. And make no mistake, this is an advert for the Gaelic Life.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on January 06, 2008, 09:29:25 PM
Gaelic Life GAA Q & A NIGHT
In association with the Newry Reporter
In aid of the 
SOUTHERN AREA HOSPICE SERVICES

In the CANAL COURT HOTEL, NEWRY
On WEDNESDAY FEBRUARY 6, 2008
@ 7.45pm - TICKETS £10

MC for the evening, the BBC's MARK SIDEBOTTOM

Taking your questions will be
JARLATH BURNS, JOE KERNAN, JOE BROLLY & SEAN KELLY
(with may be one more)


Tickets can be purchased in advance from the following:
Darren / Mairead, Gaelic Life, 14 John Street, Omagh, BT78 1DW. Tel: 028 8225 5959
Paul Welsh, Newry Reporter, 4 Margaret Street, Newry, BT35 1DF. Tel: 028 3026 7633
(please make cheque payable to Southern Area Hospice Services)


:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P Wobbler!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on January 07, 2008, 09:11:49 AM
are the down lads home from la manga?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 07, 2008, 09:24:52 AM
 They weren't in La Manga ;D
Did you not get picked yourself miss mess?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on January 07, 2008, 11:15:43 AM
now why would i be picked?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 07, 2008, 02:00:32 PM
Anyone care to hazard a guess to our starting 15 for Omagh ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 07, 2008, 10:30:29 PM
It is more or less impossible to guess our team for Omagh without knowing who is available. As well as the u21 and Sigerson players, we can presumably rule out Benny, Ambrose, Dan McCartan, Declan Rooney and Paul Murphy.

It will be a tight call between Connell and Alder in nets, but Alder deserves his chance. McArdle could get a run at full back, although Cole is an option. McGovern and Rafferty should be in the defence somewhere, and hopefully we will see Doyle at CHB.

Gordon and Lynch seems the most likely midfield, but the forward line is a bit of a lottery. Perhaps the Ballyholland posters could let us know if Murtagh is in the squad, as, apart from him, only Hughes and Sexton would appear to be certain starters.

However, it is all about coming up with a starting 15 for the league. It will be alarming if we are not fitter than Tyrone, but they are bound to be stronger after getting their first game out of the way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 07, 2008, 11:05:08 PM
 What time is the throw-in on Wed/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 08, 2008, 10:31:04 AM
(from Irish News)
Down eager for more days under the sun 
Dr McKenna Cup 
By Niall McCoy 

The sun may not have been shining as brightly as he expected, but Down manager Ross Carr is hoping that a recent training camp in Portugal will have recharged his squad for a better year in 2008.

The Mournemen put in five days internse training at the Portuguese camp.

Any progress made will be tested immediately.

The Down squad face a wounded Tyrone side, out to impress following their three-point defeat at the hands of Jordanstown on Sunday.

"The camp went well, they trained hard.


article continues

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"It rained for three or four days but it stayed dry when we were training, which was a big plus,'' said Carr.

"It was as intense as it can be. We won't know if it will be beneficial until we see the performances.

"You have to take it out onto the field of play and hopefully we will see the benefits in the next three to four weeks."

Down failed to win in last year's Dr McKenna Cup, drawing with Antrim before shipping heavy defeats to UUJ and Donegal.

But Carr is confident that this year will see a more settled and determined side.

"Comparing it to last year, we are 12 months ahead and we will have a fair idea of how to use the McKenna Cup,'' he said.

"We won't be using it for trials, rather to try and form a team for the upcoming National League.

"We hopefully will be able to put out a core of eight or nine experienced players and still give a chance to men who haven't played before."

Like most panels at this time of year, Carr will not have a full quota of players to choose from.

Notable absentees include Declan Rooney (shoulder), Daniel McCartan

(hamstring) and Stephen Kearney (ankle).

Danger man Benny Coulter is also injured and did not travel to Portugal.

"Benny Coulter is out at the moment," confirmed Carr, "he is carrying an injury from his club

campaign and he hasn't been able to join us yet.

"There is no point in carrying anybody who is injured at the moment, when Benny has the

all-clear from the physio we'll assess the situation then."

Mickey Walsh was another name missing from Down's Dr McKenna Cup squad but Carr insists he is merely "unavailable" due to education commitments.

"Mickey Walsh is in England finishing his degree,'' he said.

"It's not a question of him not being on the panel, he was just not available to join up and do the pre-Christmas training.

"The panel is never set in stone, with injuries and everything you could never set a panel in stone."

Carr knows a win tomorrow night would almost guarantee Tyrone's exit from the

competition and end their quest for five-in-a-row but, as Carr admits, there are more important issues at stake.

"We are hoping to have a couple of really good performances in the McKenna Cup,'' he declared.

"I don't know if that means winning it, but our performances are more important than results at this minute in time."

Carr knows that playing Tyrone in their own backyard is a massive task.

But it is exactly the test Down need to see if their spell in Portugal has adapted them to deal with the heat of gaelic games battle.



GAA FIXTURES

ULSTER

Wednesday January 9 (8pm)

Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup

Section A

Fermanagh v Armagh at Kingspan Breffni Park; Ref: Jimmy Galligan (Cavan)

Derry v St Mary's at Ballinderry Ref: Gregory Walsh (Antrim)

Section B

Tyrone v Down at Omagh; Ref: Aidan McAlynn (Derry)

Section C

Antrim v Cavan at Casement Park; Ref: Eugene O'Hare (Down)

Saturday January 12 (6pm)

Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup: Section C

Queens v Cavan at Kingspan Breffni Park Ref: Gerry McCarron (Monaghan)

Sunday January 13 (2pm):

Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup: Section A

St Mary's v Armagh at Lurgan; Ref: Seamus O'Hanlon (Down)

Derry v Fermanagh at Celtic Park; Ref: Seamus McGonigle (Donegal)

Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup: Section B

UUJ v Down at Newcastle; Ref: Padraig Mullan (Antrim); Donegal v Tyrone at Ballyshannon; Ref: Martin Higgins (Fermanagh)

Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup: Section C

Monaghan v Antrim at Ballybay; Ref: Gavin Corrigan (Down)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 08, 2008, 06:34:18 PM
The team id like to see starting tomorrow night v Tyrone.

1. D.Alder (Carryduff)
2. C.McGovern (Burren)
3. P.Murphy (Ballyholland)
4. D.Rafferty (Shamrocks)
5. K.McKernan (Burren)
6. L.Doyle (Liatroim)
7. B.Rooney (Mayobridge)
8. D.Gordon (Loughinisland)
9. J.Lynch (Drumgath)
10. J.Fegan (Clonduff)
11. R.Sexton (Mayobridge)
12. R.Murtagh (Ballyholland)
13. R.Stranney (Loughinisland)
14. C.Gribben (Bryansford)
15. D.Hughes (Saval)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 09, 2008, 09:33:07 AM
1. D.Alder (Carryduff) probable
2. C.McGovern (Burren) probable
3. P.Murphy (Ballyholland) defiitely not - at least 6 weeks away from making any sort of appearance
4. D.Rafferty (Shamrocks) probably not, but very close to full fitness
5. K.McKernan (Burren) probable
6. L.Doyle (Liatroim) probable
7. B.Rooney (Mayobridge) probable
8. D.Gordon (Loughinisland) definite
9. J.Lynch (Drumgath) probable
10. J.Fegan (Clonduff) possible
11. R.Sexton (Mayobridge) definite
12. R.Murtagh (Ballyholland) definitely not - stomach bug
13. R.Stranney (Loughinisland) unlikely
14. C.Gribben (Bryansford)possible
15. D.Hughes (Saval)definite

i think you can add in other definites such as martin cole, declan rooney and john clarke,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 09, 2008, 10:05:36 AM
1. Declan Alder
2. Ciaran McGovern
3. John Clarke
4. Martin Cole
5. ??????
6. Liam Doyle
7. Brendan Rooney
8. Dan Gordon
9. Jackie Lynch
10. Kevin Mc Kernan
11. Ronan Sexton
12.John Fegan
13. ????????
14. Conor Gribben
15. D.Hughes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 09, 2008, 10:55:11 AM
just out of interest lads why is no one giving bernie connell a chance in nets?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on January 09, 2008, 03:51:35 PM
to be fair if brendan mveigh is back in the panel, he'll be first choice
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 09, 2008, 04:33:19 PM
but anything against connell?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lisdoon1 on January 09, 2008, 05:03:28 PM
Out of all 3 Connell would be my 1st choice for this year. I think if he got a good run in the team to build his confidence he would do well for us.

I really really cant wait to see mccomiskey in the red and black later in the year. I have been following him for Queens this year and he has been plaing some great ball...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 09, 2008, 05:33:45 PM
  : lisdoon1 and  lfdown2.Are you talking to yourself or each other or are you Connell or his brother/friend.Wise up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 09, 2008, 05:39:03 PM
wise up why?
i simply asked why he was being over looked!
not him or his brother father cousin... though always considered him a good keeper!? ok?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 09, 2008, 06:01:24 PM
Alder is the best in the county - huge presence, good mobility, accurate l& ong kick-outs - all the essentails.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 09, 2008, 06:32:05 PM
anyone got the link to 5 fm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on January 09, 2008, 06:49:24 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 09, 2008, 06:26:46 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on January 09, 2008, 05:39:03 PM
wise up why?
i simply asked why he was being over looked!
not him or his brother father cousin... though always considered him a good keeper!? ok?
You're telling little fibs as well as talking to yourself

Wobbller you are an ass hole!

lfdown2 is trying to start a good discussion here on the issue of the down Goalkeeper and all you can be is a total stain!

Think the board would be better off if you departed from it!!!!

Slán!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 09, 2008, 07:59:35 PM
Down Team from Tyrone site
Down - Declan McArdle, Colm McGovern, Gary McArdle, Martin Cole, Martin Rafferty, Peter Turley, Kevin McGuigan, Dan Gordon, Jackie Lynch, Kevin McKernan, Ronan Sexton, Daniel Hughes, Ryan Stranney, Packie Downey, Conor Gribbon



Subs - Bernard Connell, Liam Doyle, John Fegan, Cathal Magee, John McCarthy, John McAreavey, Colm Murray, Damien Rafferty, Damien Turley, Peter Turley, John Clarke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 09, 2008, 08:09:08 PM
5fm began broadcast of Armagh game live, then cut out, for me anyway.
Live score updates from Tyrone's site here
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/county/football/news/story.jsp?newsid=498
Currently T 0-1 D 0-0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 09, 2008, 08:21:00 PM
4 0 now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 09, 2008, 08:24:11 PM
0 4 to 1 1 now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 09, 2008, 08:25:35 PM
Straight away Tyrone goal 1-4 to 1-1

5fm have got their act together. Live commentary now
http://87.117.201.180:7300/listen.pls
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Post by: TORGAEL on January 09, 2008, 08:29:47 PM
Its live on Q101 also.
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Post by: stiffler on January 09, 2008, 08:47:57 PM
That 5fm link doesnt seem to be working?

I hear its 2-4 to 1-1 at half time.
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Post by: amallon on January 09, 2008, 09:38:43 PM
Full time Tyrone 3-5 Down 1-7

Wasn't at it but heard most of the second half on 5fm.  A very poor Down performance in very bad conditions.  Not too many positives, glad I didn't go to it. 
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Post by: Pangurban on January 09, 2008, 10:49:18 PM
No positives from tonights game Lads, total absence of structure or game-plan, usual excessive elaboration coming out of defence, forwards reluctant to take responsibility and have a pop, frequently laying off ball to markrd colleagues in worse positions. Dan Gordon and Conor Gribben battled hard, the rest were mediocre to poor, lacking confidence or direction, which was certainly not coming from sideline
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Post by: lisdoon1 on January 09, 2008, 11:49:07 PM
I agree , few positives.

Gry McArdle I thought did well at full back. Alder looked nothing special, but also deserves a chance, too early to tell.

Wobbler, havent dealt with you at all but this is a forum, im connell's twin sister if that helps. I was only saying what I though. Packie downie needs new gloves..

some good scruffles at the match too.....

Donegal will bring a different test. Is the match in newcastle or Newry??

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Post by: dundrumite on January 10, 2008, 12:17:28 AM
wasnt at the game but as a matter of interest how did the forward line perform. Although only seen him a couple of times, but I am of the opinion that John Clarke is the best option at full forward.Its Jordanstown this Sunday at Newcastle, then before Donegal. Have to agree with lisdoon1 et al wobbller is an asshole, an immature one at that.
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Post by: Pangurban on January 10, 2008, 12:22:31 AM
A bit of off topic lads, but would anyone like to clarify the Co.Name as gaelige, is it officially An Duin or An Dun. The official Co website uses both versions
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Post by: Lecale2 on January 10, 2008, 08:23:38 AM
Sounds disappointing but very early days. Tyrone are one of the best in the country.
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Post by: wobbller on January 10, 2008, 08:51:23 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 10, 2008, 12:17:28 AM
wasnt at the game but as a matter of interest how did the forward line perform. Although only seen him a couple of times, but I am of the opinion that John Clarke is the best option at full forward.Its Jordanstown this Sunday at Newcastle, then before Donegal. Have to agree with lisdoon1 et al wobbller is an asshole, an immature one at that.
     Dundrumite you might want to mind your own business.My point is that can these posters whoever they are not use one name only instead if all these alter-names to promote their point.
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Post by: thewobbler on January 10, 2008, 09:15:45 AM
QuoteMy point is that can these posters whoever they are not use one name only instead if all these alter-names to promote their point.
You've some neck on you complaining about anyone else's username(s).
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Post by: wobbller on January 10, 2008, 09:37:22 AM
 thewobbler
So anyone using the name Sean wouldn't tolerate others using Shaun? Pitiful that you jump into someone else's fight with a petty point like my use of the name wobbller.You should really take it as a compliment.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 10, 2008, 10:11:56 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 10, 2008, 12:22:31 AM
A bit of off topic lads, but would anyone like to clarify the Co.Name as gaelige, is it officially An Duin or An Dun. The official Co website uses both versions

Pangur.

As Hardstation rightly says An Dún is the name of the county.

"An Dún" turns into "An Dúin" when there is another noun in front of it.

For example "Muintir an Dúin", "Contae an Dúin", "Foireann an Dúin", srl, srl.

You may have heard of the pain in the hole that is the "genitive case" in Irish. You have just been introduced to it!!
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Post by: downredblack on January 10, 2008, 10:59:23 AM
Anyone at the game ? Did any of the new lads stand out ?
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Post by: DownFanatic on January 10, 2008, 12:25:51 PM
Went up to the game last night. Hardly any Down support travelled which was a pity.
Ive been trying to look at the positives first and foremost.

+
- Alder looked confident under the high ball and distributed well when under pressure. The majority of his kickouts were also quite accurate.
- Ciaran McGovern is shaping up well in corner back and with a few more experienced defenders around him, should be able to cut it.
- Gary McArdle was impressive at full back. He gives his all and was always on his opponents ass.
- Danny Hughes is an excellent ball winner and won a host of possession. With improved delivery he could become one of our main playmakers.
- The 2nd half we played much better. I thought we moved the ball well. However it always seemed to break down 2/3rds up the pitch as our full forward line struggled to get space.
- The introduction of Ronan Murtagh and Colm Murney added a bit more physicality to our lineup. Something which we were severely lacking for most of the game.

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- Too many players on view are simply not inter county standard. Yes, they may be very good club players but they were really found out again last night. Martin Rafferty (5), Kevin McGuigan (7), Jackie Lynch (9), Kevin McKernan (10), Packie Downey (14), Ryan Stranney (13) and Cathal Magee (Sub) are just below the mark. Stranney and Lynch have impressed me on occasion but last night they failed to live up to the task. Lynch is far too indecisive and not mobile enough while Stranney isnt strong enough.
- Very weak Full Forward line which didnt inspire the playmakers to use. Gribben was the best on show but Downey, Stranney and latterly Magee arent the type of attack line that are going to get many scores.
- No leaders. Murtagh looked to assume this task when he came on. Sexton and Hughes threatened at times to lead the charge but this never fully materialised. Gordon had a quiet day but we need more vocal players.
- Doyle and John Clarke were unused subs. Their introduction in the 2nd half may have turned the game.
- Too many over critical Down 'supporters' who simply turned up to barrack our players. There is no need for them. A bit of encouragement wouldnt go a miss.

*
Bascially we need our strongest possible 15 playing together as soon as possible. Otherwise we are going nowhere
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 10, 2008, 01:06:20 PM
DownFanatic - I see tyronnies on another thread are giving off about Down's physical approach. What was your opinion from a Down perspective?
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Post by: DownFanatic on January 10, 2008, 01:24:58 PM
There were a few 'handbags' incidents. Colm Murney and Aidan McCarron started on each other midway through the 2nd half. Murney got the better off him. Both tumbled around on the ground for a while. However, I really didnt believe there was much in it. Both got yellows for their efforts.
Apart from that Rony Murtagh clipped Martin Penrose near the end of the game. Penrose went down like a sack of spuds but nothing came from it.
Actually when I think about there were quite a few incidents in which Down players used their fists off the ball. Jackie Lynch done a bit of skelping but then again thats part of his game. Again, it was mainly off the ball stuff.
To be honest some of the Down players did seem intent on negative stuff. McGovern tubed Cathal McCarron in the 1st half as far as I can remember.
From what I seen DJ seems quite proactive in encouraging this kind of stuff from the sideline.
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Post by: thewobbler on January 10, 2008, 01:36:28 PM
That all sounds a bit worrying. Can a county manager in this day and age really find any merit in asking players to go a skelping?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 10, 2008, 01:50:32 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 10, 2008, 12:25:51 PM
Went up to the game last night. Hardly any Down support travelled which was a pity.
Ive been trying to look at the positives first and foremost.

+
- Alder looked confident under the high ball and distributed well when under pressure. The majority of his kickouts were also quite accurate.
- Ciaran McGovern is shaping up well in corner back and with a few more experienced defenders around him, should be able to cut it.
- Gary McArdle was impressive at full back. He gives his all and was always on his opponents ass.
- Danny Hughes is an excellent ball winner and won a host of possession. With improved delivery he could become one of our main playmakers.
- The 2nd half we played much better. I thought we moved the ball well. However it always seemed to break down 2/3rds up the pitch as our full forward line struggled to get space.
- The introduction of Ronan Murtagh and Colm Murney added a bit more physicality to our lineup. Something which we were severely lacking for most of the game.

-
- Too many players on view are simply not inter county standard. Yes, they may be very good club players but they were really found out again last night. Martin Rafferty (5), Kevin McGuigan (7), Jackie Lynch (9), Kevin McKernan (10), Packie Downey (14), Ryan Stranney (13) and Cathal Magee (Sub) are just below the mark. Stranney and Lynch have impressed me on occasion but last night they failed to live up to the task. Lynch is far too indecisive and not mobile enough while Stranney isnt strong enough.
- Very weak Full Forward line which didnt inspire the playmakers to use. Gribben was the best on show but Downey, Stranney and latterly Magee arent the type of attack line that are going to get many scores.
- No leaders. Murtagh looked to assume this task when he came on. Sexton and Hughes threatened at times to lead the charge but this never fully materialised. Gordon had a quiet day but we need more vocal players.
- Doyle and John Clarke were unused subs. Their introduction in the 2nd half may have turned the game.
- Too many over critical Down 'supporters' who simply turned up to barrack our players. There is no need for them. A bit of encouragement wouldnt go a miss.

*
Bascially we need our strongest possible 15 playing together as soon as possible. Otherwise we are going nowhere


After reading tis I almost feel I was at the game and that all my pre-conceptions about these players were proveen to be correct.

Thank you.
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Post by: downredblack on January 10, 2008, 02:16:41 PM
Lads the team that played last night will bare little resemblance to our National League team , no need for panic yet . I'd be more concerned if there was anything in the rumour that Benny has walked .
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Post by: No1 on January 10, 2008, 02:23:45 PM
  5ivetimes, I agree that the physical approach has been missing from our game for some time but there is a world of difference between a good hard tackle or a cynical foul to stop a near certain goal and hitting your opponent a clout off the ball.

 Getting involved in off the ball bullshit contributes nothing to a player or team's performance.  Granted, there are times when you have to stand up for yourself but I would be worried if our boys were starting this shite.

  As for Jackie Lynch, I think we'll agree to disagree  :D
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Post by: dundrumite on January 10, 2008, 02:25:23 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 10, 2008, 08:51:23 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 10, 2008, 12:17:28 AM
wasnt at the game but as a matter of interest how did the forward line perform. Although only seen him a couple of times, but I am of the opinion that John Clarke is the best option at full forward.Its Jordanstown this Sunday at Newcastle, then before Donegal. Have to agree with lisdoon1 et al wobbller is an asshole, an immature one at that.
     Dundrumite you might want to mind your own business.My point is that can these posters whoever they are not use one name only instead if all these alter-names to promote their point.

You also have some neck on you telling other people to mind their own business.So is 5ive times part of the now "4 posters in 1 bernie fanclub"? Probably not, just differing people with the same opinion.
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Post by: downredblack on January 10, 2008, 03:40:55 PM
I'm not saying that those that played last night have no future with the Down panel , some might make the break through this year others might need a while longer and the experience of being away wont do them any harm . After all we need cover for every position ,which begs the question why is B. Grant not about the panel ?Fair enough if Ross & DJ don't rate him to start  but surely he is a good man with experience to call upon if we need him . I don't understand that one and wouldn't accept that he was the only problem with the Down defence over the last number of years .  I agree with you regarding Benny , Big Ambrose , Paul Murphy etc should of been brought away and the decision not to bring them seems to have caused some bad feeling which will hopefully be put to bed before the start of the league .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on January 11, 2008, 08:42:11 AM
Quote from: downredblack on January 10, 2008, 03:40:55 PM
.  I agree with you regarding Benny , Big Ambrose , Paul Murphy etc should of been brought away and the decision not to bring them seems to have caused some bad feeling which will hopefully be put to bed before the start of the league .

The trip away was a training week,there may have been team bonding going on, but that comes with the training pulling your teammates through etc. Benny et al where INJURED and therefore could not train, do you think it was not a better idea to let them stay and get their injuries looked at so we will benefit from their skills when the business end of the season kicks in!!!
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Post by: downredblack on January 11, 2008, 09:13:21 AM
For the sake of moral and unity in the camp I would of brought them , they could of got treatment away and still of been part of the trip . It's not as if these trips come up that often . We are always taking about needing leaders on the pitch, by all accounts Benny was a brilliant leader on and off the pitch when he was away with the IR team . Maybe the younger players would of benefited from being around such a player for  5 days . Who knows ? For the sake of another 4 or 5  tickets I would of brought the boys who will form the backbone of our team come the business end of the season . That's just my take on it anyway .

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 11, 2008, 09:45:21 AM
 It's time to make a stand on the bluffers.They'll bluff at this time of the year and then come May and June will be wondering to themselves "Why am I not playing well ?and Why I'm not fit to keep up with those little Tyrone men?
  Turf them out and get fit on their own and when ready come back if they want but toe the line like everyone else.
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Post by: rosskarr on January 11, 2008, 10:32:45 AM
 Fair point but Portugal was really taking the whole system out of the cold weather here and if the lads were part of the panel they should have travelled also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 11, 2008, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: downredblack on January 11, 2008, 09:13:21 AM
For the sake of moral and unity in the camp I would of brought them , they could of got treatment away and still of been part of the trip . It's not as if these trips come up that often . We are always taking about needing leaders on the pitch, by all accounts Benny was a brilliant leader on and off the pitch when he was away with the IR team . Maybe the younger players would of benefited from being around such a player for  5 days . Who knows ? For the sake of another 4 or 5  tickets I would of brought the boys who will form the backbone of our team come the business end of the season . That's just my take on it anyway .



What age is Benny ...10...FFs anybody can go on a holiday now, they are a dime a dozen, very cheap. What is his problem...is he looking for an excuse...a leader my ass.
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Post by: downredblack on January 11, 2008, 10:57:31 AM
Who said anything about a holiday ? I'm sure he can go on as many holidays as he wants . The trip was to go away as part of the Down set up, of which he is an integral part and for that reason IMHO he should of went . Anyway that's all I have on the subject . I've more to be worrying about .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 11, 2008, 11:13:09 AM
Personally, I don't understand how taking along players who will never play Championship football, ahead of players who certainly will, could possibly be beneficial to Down football.

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Post by: behind the wire on January 11, 2008, 11:25:57 AM
you are exactly right downredblack. wouldnt even bother arguing with max.
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Post by: miss mess on January 11, 2008, 01:14:50 PM
exactly, there are players there who went to portugal who will never see june with the county and the ususal people will be called upon to pull out all the stops i.e. who never set foot in portugal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on January 11, 2008, 01:46:06 PM
If all this talk is true (there are alot of shit stirrers around the county these days) it seems a few of the fellas who were not on the trip have thrown the toys outa the pram and are on the huff- says alot really about the type of player down have- more interested in trips away and all the other bullshit that they see going with representing our county. What were the injured fellas really going to do in Portugal? Stand about all day watching everyone else bust a gut- then maybe go for a few pints later when those who were training are beat in bed?! Maybe the reason for not taking the injured players was due to the trip obviously being paid for x number of players to go and the managers possibly saw it as a more purposeful exercise bringing 30 players who were able to train than 20(+) plus a number of injured players who could not participate.

Back to the football side of things? Team for Sunday? ps. good to hear abouta few of the down boys getting stuck in v tyrone, part of the teams problem is a few of the more senior players are too shy and nice about things- everyone else is at it- tyrone included.
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Post by: downredblack on January 11, 2008, 03:18:37 PM
Who is the half back from longstone Mark or Barry Doran , what's the craic with him , was he asked along ? i know he was there for a while under POR and did rightly .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 11, 2008, 03:26:08 PM
In case any of you didn't see this ...

Down welcome back Doyle Gaelic Games
By Brendan Crossan
11/01/08

INJURY-PLAGUED Liam Doyle will make a return to Down colours this weekend after overcoming a serious ankle problem that ruled him out of the Mournemen's Championship challenge last year.
Down boss Ross Carr also revealed that his son, Aidan, will return from a stint in Australia at the end of the month and is expected to rejoin the panel.
Carr confirmed yesterday that Liatroim Fontenoys ace Doyle will play some part during Sunday's Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup group game against unbeaten UUJ in Newcastle.
"Liam deserves immense credit for his application during his recovery period," said Carr.
"He had to overcome a pretty horrific operation in terms of pain and recovery and now he's being rewarded for getting back to fitness. It's great news for Down people and for Liam himself for all the hard work he's put in and I'm sure that will be acknowledged by supporters on Sunday."
Carr said that the precocious 1999 All-Ireland minor winner has been "crucified by chronic" injuries that has hampered his senior career, but added that a fit Liam Doyle would
infinitely improve Down's chances this season.
Aidan Carr, who had an encouraging 2007 campaign for the Mournemen, will return home after six months away in America and Australia.
"Aidan left for America after Down went out of the Championship last summer," said Carr.
"He came home for a change of clothes and then went to Australia where he met up with Martin Clarke. So he'll be back at the end of the month and we'll see what shape he's in."
The Mournemen could also have London-based Michael Walsh
available this year, although his return to county colours has not been finalised.
"Michael is finishing off his degree in England and it's difficult in terms of logistics in him getting over and playing, but the door is shut on nobody," said the manager.
Carr also expects talismanic Benny Coulter to be back at the "end of the month" after physio treatment, while Damien Rafferty is
eyeing a return for the start of the National League.
Ambrose Rodgers is also ruled out of contention for the next few weeks with the Longstone midfielder heading to Dubai for a team holiday with his club.
An Riocht midfielder Peter Fitzpatrick, however, could miss the entire season with Carr estimating a four-to-six months recovery period. Stephen Kearney and Paul Murphy have also undergone ankle operations and will miss the start of the National League, aswill Daniel McCartan (hamstring) and Declan Rooney (shoulder).
Despite the absentees, Carr was remaining upbeat: "There's no point in crying about it. When a month passes hopefully things will be looking a lot brighter."
The 2005 All-Ireland minor winning captain James Colgan has also returned to the senior set-up after opting out last season due to study commitments. He made a cameo appearance near the end of UUJ's handsome win over Tyrone last weekend and is likely to play some part against his county mates in Newcastle this weekend.
Carr and DJ Kane's squad have just returned from a week-long training camp in Portugal. They were in action on Wednesday night against Tyrone in the McKenna Cup only to lose by 3-6 to 1-7. After facing Jordanstown, they round off their group games against Donegal next Wednesday in Newry's Pairc Esler.­

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on January 11, 2008, 03:54:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 11, 2008, 11:13:09 AM
Personally, I don't understand how taking along players who will never play Championship football, ahead of players who certainly will, could possibly be beneficial to Down football.

The only way to find out if they might be able to play championship football or not is to give them a chance.
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Post by: Bitta-Banter on January 11, 2008, 07:49:34 PM
I think we've established that Jackie Lynch shouldn't be obn the scene, but on Wednesday, Big Dan was no better..
The strongest team i think should be;

1. D Alder/ B McVeigh / K Murphy ( All very good)

2. Martin Cole (Rostrevor)/ Brendan Grant (Mayobridge)

3. G McArdle (Annaclone)/ D Rooney

4. Damien Rafferty (Shamrocks)

5. Ronan Murtagh (Ballyholland)

6. J Colgan (An Riocht)/ Paul Murphy (Ballyholland)

7. John Clarke (An Riocht)

8. Dan Gordon? (Loughinisland)/ P Turley (Saval)

9. Ambrose Rodgers (Longstone)

10. Liam Doyle (Liatroim)

11. Benny Coulter(Mayobridge)

12. Barry Doran(Longstone)

13. McComiskey(Dundrum)/Danny Hughes(Saval)

14. Micky Walsh(Mayobridge)

15. Conor Poland (Longstone)

My best team in my opinion, no Kevin McGuigan, Lynch, Packie Downie, Aidan Carr, James McGovern
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 11, 2008, 08:24:38 PM
no ronan sexton
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 12, 2008, 12:21:30 AM
Doyle to return too action on Sunday, Carr returning soon from Australia, excuse me for not getting excited, this merely reflects the paucity of talent available to us at present
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 12, 2008, 12:47:02 AM
While I'm glad to see that we are at least looking at our options for the central defensive positions, there are a few problems with the most recent XV (Bitta-Banter). Murtagh was promising at wing back in the two Cavan games last summer, but poor against Cavan and dreadful against Meath. Unless his defensive qualities improve beyond recognition, he will have to move back up front. Murphy, Gordon Hughes and McComiskey are all certain starters if fit, and should not be in the `either-or' category, and it is difficult to believe that Sexton will be missing either.  The two Stone forwards are good club players, but Barry Doran needs to find extra pace while Mark - not Conor - Poland is gifted but probably too small for county level. We have not many options at full back, so McArdle deserves an extended run.
Title: Mourne Rover
Post by: imagine on January 12, 2008, 12:49:58 AM
  Murtagh was promising at wing back in the two Cavan games last summer, but poor against Cavan and dreadful against Meath
I presume you mean Monaghan.
I agree --a wing half forward only.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 12, 2008, 01:22:50 AM
Most of these lads have been around the panel throughout our extended four year experimental phase, so is it not a damning indictment of the whole system that we are still no closer to agreement on who are best twenty are yet alone our best fifteen. We need a settled team and we need it quickly, decision time is here, no more wasteful unproductive experiments. Ross must make his mind up and stand or fall by his decision, thats management.
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Post by: Fíor Gael on January 12, 2008, 12:24:50 PM
Lads you are all reading a lot into a Dr. McKenna cup game on a wet Wednesday in Omagh in early January. Hold fire at least until the national league when the team has a couple of games under their belt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 12, 2008, 12:39:20 PM
Inetersting that with all thies "experimentation" and "ne blood" over the last 3-4 years the tentative selectioons in this board always come back to the same core squad.

The problem has been the consistent failure to address the  three key positions on the team around which all other positions can be filled. Most mamangers will start building from No. 6. There is a compelling case for now setling on Laim Doylse for that posuiiton - strong, athletic, good fielding, good ball retention - and given the right encouragement could be a real leader for the future.

Now to full back, our greatest failing in recent years. The days of the old catch and kick man are gone but you still need a big player with physique but also mobility. I am impressed a bout the physical development of James Colgan but don't see him having enogh for midfield where we are well served by Gordon (and Ambrose?). Time I think to concentrate in making Colgan our No. 3 for the future. It worked with Conor Deegan. I'll save this thread to remind you in a few  years that you heard it here first.

Finally No. 11. We have to accept we are unlikely to see another Greg Blaney in the near future (what county is?) but we again need a player who can forage, block, contest possession and with the brains to see the quick pass and the ability to deliver the long ball. John Clarke has alwayus been my man for this role but I see some suggestions that he could be deplyed at 14. If not Clarke, then the only player in the squad who comes close to these requiremenst is Ronan Murtagh.

Start with these positions and we have good enough players to fill the rest.....

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 12, 2008, 02:16:35 PM
Leo I think all your suggestions are worth a try at least.  I think Michael Walsh is the best CHF we have, but we need him fully fit. 

The McKenna cup should have been the time to be trying out these things but the fact that so many of our certain championship starters are playing with their colleges makes this experimentation difficult.  Maybe Harte was right and the Uni's and Poly (sorry couldn't resist) shouldn't be in the competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on January 12, 2008, 03:00:16 PM
Quote from: amallon on January 12, 2008, 02:16:35 PM
  I think Michael Walsh is the best CHF we have, but we need him fully fit. 



Aidan, when are we going to see Micky Walsh at his best?? He has the ability and the physical attributes but never seems to fully deliver. Is it a confidence thing or do we just over rate him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 12, 2008, 03:51:35 PM
I think Michael has just been plagued by one injury after another.  IF he is fit I think he is our answer at CHF but he really needs to stay injury free.  He has had terrible bad luck with injuries and has played through the pain on ocassions.  His dedication to keeping himself in shape even through his injuries has to be admired and I'd go as far to say he is in the same veign as Mickey Linden when it comes to looking after himself.

Bitta-banter it takes balls to post a team up here for the rest of us to shoot it down.   I'm unsure on the goal keeper position, but I think McVeigh has the edge over the other contenders.  Connell doesn't inspire me with much confidence when I've seen him.  Brendan Grant isn't on the panel and I don't think he will be back this year even if they come begging him in the summer.  If Paul Murphy is fit he is an auto starter for me, maybe at wing back with Murtagh moving forward instead of doran.  Danny Hughes is another definte starter in my book.  I'd have Sexton in as well.  Did you overlook him or did you mean to leave him out? 

I think the following players are guaraunteed to start come championship if fit.

Paul Murphy
Ronan Murtagh
Ronan Sexton
Michael Walsh
Benny Coulter
Dan Gordan
Ambrose Rodgers
John Clarke
Paul McComiskey

Do you know what the scary thing about the above list is?  We still don't know where most of their best positions are and these are the core of our team.  Some may see it as a good thing that Paul Murphy could be used in mid field or half back, or that Murtagh will be in defence or in the forwards but I'd rather know that the management know where Murtaghs best position is.  I don't think they do for most of the players above.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 12, 2008, 05:19:12 PM
QuoteTime I think to concentrate in making Colgan our No. 3 for the future. It worked with Conor Deegan. I'll save this thread to remind you in a few  years that you heard it here first.
Don't mean to bum and blow Leo but I brought this same idea up here before we played Donegal in Ballybofey two years ago. Colgan reminds me of Cormac McAnallen in many ways. Big, strong, sensible footballers with all the basic skills, who maybe lack the athleticism required of intercounty midfield, or the finesse required for intercounty forward lines. Leaders of men too.

I heard a strong rumour though that one of the reasons Colgan left the county squad last season was that he was being put under pressure to play a defensive role, and he doesn't see himself in that position. Could be nonsense, but there rarely is smoke without a fire in Down football.

Amallon - your last post is very much on the ball, and that is worrying. I don't think Mickey Walsh is a cut and dried starter though - he has been below par in too many big games for Down over the years. Liam Doyle, on the other hand, is a sure fire starter if he's even 75% fit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 12, 2008, 09:15:20 PM
I could live with that team Fivetimes, best selection i have seen yet, particularly the choice of Gordon at FF, have long argued it is his best and natural position
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2008, 11:35:20 PM
Could anyone from in and around the Castlewellan area pm me please. I'm looking for a bit of information about a priest who was stationed there in the 70s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 13, 2008, 01:05:52 AM
Some of the suggestions from 5ive Times make sense, but, after a full year as a county midfielder, there is no evidence that Jackie Lynch is really a county player. He is a big strong guy, who might be worth keeping on the bench for a while in case of injuries elsewhere, but it is fairly clear that he does not have the speed of movement or thought necessary for this level.

While some of us have been proposing Colgan as a full back for a while, the firm indications are that he does not want to play there. His problem is that, while he has the ability, pace is a concern if he wants to be a Down midfielder. Those who saw him come on as a sub for UUJ against Tyrone last week felt he was carrying more weight than he should have been. He certainly cannot be compared to Conor Deegan, who in his early years in the senior team was second only to Mickey during training sprints, while Cormac McAnallen was no slouch either.

Dan is in many ways a natural full forward, potentially as good as Donaghy, but, like Benny, he could be standing on the square for a very long time waiting for the ball to arrive in the present set-up. The difficulty is that, while he has the size and the skill for midfield, he is lanky rather than muscular. Switching Benny and Dan on a regular basis during big games would make sense.

We all know how good Walsh was as a teenager, and if he comes home from London he might still have something to offer, but he has simply not delivered consistently in recent years and he could not logically be selected ahead of Hughes.

If we were playing in the championship tomorrow, and everyone was fit my central players would be McArdle at full back, Doyle at centre half, Ambrose and Dan at midfield, Clarke at CHF and Benny at no 14.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 13, 2008, 10:16:28 AM
Whats the weather like up there, Is Newcastle still on ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 13, 2008, 11:05:31 AM
any word of when the leagues start and have the fixture lists been released yet??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 13, 2008, 11:14:49 AM
the match is off today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 13, 2008, 11:20:53 AM
why could the match not have been moved to newry or castlewellan maybe??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 12:48:29 PM
newry flooded as well and said that they couldn't get burren!

not sure why they didnt try anywhere else, ballykinlar would have taken it im sure!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 14, 2008, 01:29:47 AM
Possibly the Royal Irish were playing the Royal Marines in army championship game at Ballykinlar, this was due last W/E but cancelled due to snow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on January 14, 2008, 08:18:49 AM
When will the game be played? Most teams have now played 3 matches Down have only played one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 14, 2008, 09:06:22 AM
If Newry was flooded then the game on Wednesday night might have to be moved or canceled.  I suppose it depends on how bad the flooding was and what the weather does between now and Wednesday. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 14, 2008, 09:30:12 AM
Quote from: amallon on January 14, 2008, 09:06:22 AM
If Newry was flooded then the game on Wednesday night might have to be moved or canceled.  I suppose it depends on how bad the flooding was and what the weather does between now and Wednesday. 

Was down at the pitch yesterday morning - never seen Newcastle as wet - we marked it on Saturday evening and not a line on it on Sunday Morning. Was in the Club last night and the Goalmouths were totally saturated - I would say an inspection will be done tomorrow to determine Wednesday's game but last night again Newcastle had a very wet night so i wouldnt be too hopeful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 14, 2008, 09:53:48 AM
Was the game on Wed night set for Newcastle?  I thought it was supposed to be in Newry? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 14, 2008, 10:00:59 AM
From the beeb

McKenna semis to be rescheduled 

Ross Carr's Down side could face the students UUJ this weekend
The McKenna Cup semi-finals are likely to be rescheduled to a midweek date due to the postponement of Sunday's Down v UUJ Group B clash in Newcastle.
With the decider still on schedule for 26 January, the result of postponed game has a bearing on who goes through.

Down are due to play Donegal this Wednesday night, so their game with the students could go ahead this weekend, the original date for the semi-finals.

It is now likely that they semis will take place on Wednesday 23 January.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 14, 2008, 10:35:22 AM
If Newcastle is bad i would fear for the marshes...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on January 14, 2008, 12:20:13 PM
A possibility

Down could win both games against UUJ and Donegal and win by more than 4 points in each game, they are through to Semi final!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 14, 2008, 12:22:54 PM
I'd go the same 1-7 as 5ivetimes , but would definitely have Dan in the middle and have Ambrose dropping back to give them a dig out .

                                                                          Dan    Jackie
                                                                             Ambrose 
                                                          Sexton / hughes     Walsh   Murtagh
                                                                     McComiskey  Coulter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 14, 2008, 01:43:10 PM
My current best 15

1. D.Alder

2. M.Cole
3. P.Murphy
4. C.McGovern

5. D.Rafferty
6. R.Murtagh
7. L.Doyle

8. D.Gordon
9. A.Rodgers

10. R.Sexton
11. M.Walsh
12. B.Coulter

13. D.Hughes
14.J.Clarke
15. P.McComiskey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 14, 2008, 01:47:24 PM
Where did they play Mutrtagh in Omagh when he came on ? Is Ross persisting with him in the half back line ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 14, 2008, 01:51:48 PM
Lads I'd love to know where some of yiz got this notion about Paul Murphy at full back. While it might be worth an experiment to see how he goes...do you not think that someone with his engine and running power would be wasted in there. I'm struggling to remember him ever playing there for us.... even at underage ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on January 14, 2008, 02:22:13 PM
df can you find anyone else in the country who would back you up and say that ronan murtagh is downs answer at no6? id daoubt you'll find any.

duno what about paul murph at full back, think someone mentioned colgan which would be more along my thinking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 14, 2008, 02:26:26 PM
QuoteLastly, re who should play full-back, I'd like to see fellas who actually play club full-back tried there first. Gary McArdle, Andrew Kane, Darren Cunningham (again). If none of those work out, then give young Howard a run at it. I've a feeling James Colgan could play there, but I'd imagine he doesn't. As for Paul Murphy, I'd be shocked if he has it in him to play there. His greatest strength as a player is his dynamism, and that's one of the last attributes you find in genuine full-backs.
Quoting myself from a month ago.

DownFanatic, trust us on this one. Full-back requires an unusual amount of selfless discipline in a footballer, and Murph is not your man.

By the way, he  did play full-back for Down once, a few years ago in a McKenna Cup match in Burren. The key part of that sentence is "once".
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 14, 2008, 02:37:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2008, 02:26:26 PM
QuoteLastly, re who should play full-back, I'd like to see fellas who actually play club full-back tried there first. Gary McArdle, Andrew Kane, Darren Cunningham (again). If none of those work out, then give young Howard a run at it. I've a feeling James Colgan could play there, but I'd imagine he doesn't. As for Paul Murphy, I'd be shocked if he has it in him to play there. His greatest strength as a player is his dynamism, and that's one of the last attributes you find in genuine full-backs.
Quoting myself from a month ago.

DownFanatic, trust us on this one. Full-back requires an unusual amount of selfless discipline in a footballer, and Murph is not your man.

By the way, he  did play full-back for Down once, a few years ago in a McKenna Cup match in Burren. The key part of that sentence is "once".


Was that against Donegal ? You have a better memory than me , couldn't tell you who played that day never mind where .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 14, 2008, 02:41:58 PM
Dan Mc Cartan to follow his uncle and namesake out to CHB. If he doesn't have the presence to play there now he soon will have and he certainly has the intelligence and drive to play there.

Cue the volley of abuse from those who can't see past his name.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 14, 2008, 02:49:43 PM
I trust you lads have seen a lot more of Paul Murphy than me over the years but I think he could be our best option at Number 3. Colgan will need a couple of years of acclimitisation there and at the moment Id question his mobility to perform the role. Declan Rooney has been tried and tested and in my opinion isnt very adapt to the position. Gary McArdle is very green at the moment and like Colgan will need a few more years under his belt. If somebody could explain to me why Murphy couldnt fill that position then work away.
As for Murtagh, he came on and played centre half back against Tyrone. Ideally Id love to see him in the full forward line but Ross seems adamant in playing him at the back. In my opinion, Murtagh seems to be the single most hungriest and fearsomely competitive player on the Down team at the moment. Centre half back is a crucial position on any team. It caters for a solid rock of a man and I can see Murtagh fitting in there no problem.
As for people critiscising his tackling technique. What a load of bollocks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on January 14, 2008, 03:07:24 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 14, 2008, 02:49:43 PM

In my opinion, Murtagh seems to be the single most hungriest and fearsomely competitive player on the Down team at the moment. Centre half back is a crucial position on any team. It caters for a solid rock of a man and I can see Murtagh fitting in there no problem.
As for people critiscising his tackling technique. What a load of bollocks.

He is indeed DF. Murtagh has an edge to him that sadly is missing in alot of our players especially the more established men. The fella wants to win and does not lie down- he has the potential to be a good leader on the pitch and hopefully will improve again on a good season for down last year. I have never seen much of a problem with his tackling- he has a good presence in the back line and is a threat on the break- a half forwards nightmare...the only other candidate for CHB would be Doyle- he is needed somewhere in Defence. Colgan is maybe an option, but supposidly he doesnt do the whole backline thingy!!! :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 14, 2008, 03:08:12 PM
Passedit, funny enough I was thinking the same myself re McCartan at no.6. He doesn't have the natural talent of most of his competitors for defensive positions, but he has worked his bollocks off to put himself in contention and (strangely for a Down defender), knows his limitations and uses his head to get himself out of any trouble. He'll not set too many attacks in motion, but if Ross and co. continue to refuse playing an extra man or two back, we'd probably be better served with an out and out defender at centre-back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on January 14, 2008, 06:46:31 PM
Might change after a few Nat league games but something like this I would like to see line out!
1. D.Alder

2. M.Cole
3. G.McArdle
4. L.Howard

5. P.Murphy
6. L.Doyle
7. D.Rafferty

8. D.Gordon
9. J.Colgan

10. R.Sexton
11. A.Carr
12. A.Rodgers

13. B.Coulter
14.J.Clarke
15. P.McComiskey

Options on the bench with Hughes, Walsh, J Boyle D.McCartan and P.Downey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on January 14, 2008, 07:51:33 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 14, 2008, 02:49:43 PM
In my opinion, Murtagh seems to be the single most hungriest and fearsomely competitive player on the Down team at the moment. Centre half back is a crucial position on any team. It caters for a solid rock of a man and I can see Murtagh fitting in there no problem.
As for people critiscising his tackling technique. What a load of bollocks.

It's hard to beat the down thread for comedy content.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on January 14, 2008, 08:55:08 PM
Quote from: Uladh on January 14, 2008, 07:51:33 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 14, 2008, 02:49:43 PM
In my opinion, Murtagh seems to be the single most hungriest and fearsomely competitive player on the Down team at the moment. Centre half back is a crucial position on any team. It caters for a solid rock of a man and I can see Murtagh fitting in there no problem.
As for people critiscising his tackling technique. What a load of bollocks.

It's hard to beat the down thread for comedy content.

If you're set on inter-county abuse, there ought to be base rules of engagement:

- a least rudimentarily funny
- satire implied by quotation to be explained / noted

Otherwise it just looks like the lazy, energy-sapping post of a half wit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 14, 2008, 11:08:32 PM
We are not in a position to rule out many defenders, and I would happily give Murtagh another couple of runs at the back, but we need to be realistic and accept that, when the pressure was on last summer, he had a very ordinary game against Monaghan and was pretty woeful against Meath. While he was good going forward in the two Cavan matches, they were a limited side. Against better opponents, he was repeatedly caught out of position. He looks like a natural wing half forward to me.

Centre half forward is another problem area, and, again on the evidence of the Meath game, Aidan Carr is not likely to be the answer. He put his frees over that day, but was not strong enough to win any serious possession in open play and has the build of a corner forward.
If we do not have a play-maker at CHF, we need a ball-winner instead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 15, 2008, 07:56:49 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2008, 03:08:12 PM
Passedit, funny enough I was thinking the same myself re McCartan at no.6. He doesn't have the natural talent of most of his competitors for defensive positions, but he has worked his bollocks off to put himself in contention and (strangely for a Down defender), knows his limitations and uses his head to get himself out of any trouble. He'll not set too many attacks in motion, but if Ross and co. continue to refuse playing an extra man or two back, we'd probably be better served with an out and out defender at centre-back.

Oh yeah, make him captain as well while you are at it - he could maybe take the frees as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on January 15, 2008, 08:05:15 AM
Anyone know when the leagues are starting seems to be some confusion some people are saying easter sunday others are saying 2 weeks before that, i can find nothing on county site.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 15, 2008, 08:15:53 AM
Quote from: off the laces on January 15, 2008, 08:05:15 AM
Anyone know when the leagues are starting seems to be some confusion some people are saying easter sunday others are saying 2 weeks before that, i can find nothing on county site.
It hasn't been finally agreed yet. Draft fixtures are going to the CCC on 24th January.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 15, 2008, 09:24:16 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on January 15, 2008, 07:56:49 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2008, 03:08:12 PM
Passedit, funny enough I was thinking the same myself re McCartan at no.6. He doesn't have the natural talent of most of his competitors for defensive positions, but he has worked his bollocks off to put himself in contention and (strangely for a Down defender), knows his limitations and uses his head to get himself out of any trouble. He'll not set too many attacks in motion, but if Ross and co. continue to refuse playing an extra man or two back, we'd probably be better served with an out and out defender at centre-back.

Oh yeah, make him captain as well while you are at it - he could maybe take the frees as well.

I detect a hint of sarcasm there Spirit, perhaps you could advance a few footballing reasons why he shouldn't be tried in this position.

BTW I have every confidence that he could make that position his own and if so I'd have no hesitation making him captain either. Eoin can take the frees.  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 15, 2008, 09:49:24 AM
When has Dan McCartan ever performed for Down?
Now all of a sudden he is the lynch pin of the defensive unit - lads at the end of the day he is an ordinary club player with little pace and practically no ball skills.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 15, 2008, 10:01:48 AM
Quote from: the milkman on January 14, 2008, 06:46:31 PM
Might change after a few Nat league games but something like this I would like to see line out!
1. D.Alder

2. M.Cole
3. G.McArdle
4. L.Howard

5. P.Murphy
6. L.Doyle
7. D.Rafferty

8. D.Gordon
9. J.Colgan

10. R.Sexton
11. A.Carr
12. A.Rodgers

13. B.Coulter
14.J.Clarke
15. P.McComiskey

Options on the bench with Hughes, Walsh, J Boyle D.McCartan and P.Downey


You dont rate Murtagh then Milkman??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on January 15, 2008, 12:28:35 PM
Might change after a few Nat league games but something like this I would like to see line out!
1. D.Alder

2. M.Cole
3. G.McArdle
4. L.Howard

5. P.Murphy
6. L.Doyle
7. D.Rafferty

8. D.Gordon
9. A. Rodgers

10. R.Sexton
11. A.Carr
12. R.Murtagh

13. B.Coulter
14.J.Clarke
15. P.McComiskey

Options on the bench with Hughes, Walsh, J Boyle,Colgan, D.McCartan,Mcveigh and P.Downey

Colgan would be on but for the fact it wants to pick his own position
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 15, 2008, 01:08:27 PM
lads micheal walsh is our best center half forward by a mile.. remember his county final displays in october!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 15, 2008, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on January 15, 2008, 01:08:27 PM
lads micheal walsh is our best center half forward by a mile.. remember his county final displays in october!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mickey needs a run in the side but until he finishes his studies he cannot be considered due to missing league and training - hence the freshness in October! - how long does a lad need now before they face the system?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on January 15, 2008, 05:41:21 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 15, 2008, 10:01:48 AM
Quote from: the milkman on January 14, 2008, 06:46:31 PM
Might change after a few Nat league games but something like this I would like to see line out!
1. D.Alder

2. M.Cole
3. G.McArdle
4. L.Howard

5. P.Murphy
6. L.Doyle
7. D.Rafferty

8. D.Gordon
9. J.Colgan

10. R.Sexton
11. A.Carr
12. A.Rodgers

13. B.Coulter
14.J.Clarke
15. P.McComiskey

Options on the bench with Hughes, Walsh, J Boyle D.McCartan and P.Downey


You dont rate Murtagh then Milkman??



Sorry my mistake, would prob have Murtagh in the half forward line in place off sexton!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on January 15, 2008, 05:43:23 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on January 15, 2008, 01:08:27 PM
lads micheal walsh is our best center half forward by a mile.. remember his county final displays in october!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But what about his game's against Dromore?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 15, 2008, 09:02:10 PM
was at that game in omagh Walsh was mayobridges best player never made the game in newry so cant say i would have him on before Carr
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 15, 2008, 09:30:42 PM
i would have a fit walsh in chf any day of the week before carr, carr's a right footballer just wouldn't be sure where to put him!
you want a strong backbone to the team at least and i dont see carr instilling that fear in opponents!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 15, 2008, 09:35:50 PM
as someone said earlier he would be good in the corner and he is good at the frees
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on January 15, 2008, 09:36:22 PM
One of the Down management team told me a few years ago "Aidan Carr's a half back and nothin else!" His dad mustn't be of the same opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 15, 2008, 09:41:22 PM
the present management team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 15, 2008, 10:58:25 PM
Any posters in the Newry area care to hazard a guess about the state of the Marshes for tomorrow ? It was reportedly unplayable at the weekend and the rain has been fairly steady since then. There's bound to be some pressure to get the game played anyway, as the McKenna semis are on hold until we complete our fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on January 16, 2008, 09:33:57 AM
Quotethe present management team

Yes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on January 16, 2008, 11:31:30 AM
gerry quinn from saval is rostrevors new manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 16, 2008, 12:18:01 PM
great move for gerry and he will be delighted i am sure to pit his wits against saval next year. i think he felt hard done by that they moved him on last year. also interesting that he was in the running for the ballyholland job last year but harps opted for another man

heard that cathal o'rourke turned down the rostrevor job previously; some come down for the reds after all the talk of joe kernan being approached!! classic stuff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 16, 2008, 12:20:19 PM
gerry could do well there seems to be plenty off talent to work with
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on January 16, 2008, 01:29:22 PM
joe kernan was looking £1,000.00 a week!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on January 16, 2008, 01:40:31 PM
yea 5fm are covering it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 16, 2008, 02:00:15 PM
would like too see clarke in full forward and doyle centre half back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on January 16, 2008, 03:20:08 PM
amazed by the nonsense written about ronan murtagh. is this the same person who was good going forward last year but terrible at defending. against meath he was roasted. sometimes i do wonder do certain people on this site know anything about gaelic football. he is a  good forward. play him up front.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Orior on January 16, 2008, 07:23:05 PM
Tell Kevin Anderson not to listen to his Dad. He should be playing for Armagh!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 16, 2008, 09:58:41 PM
Down 5.14 Donegal 0.13 :) :) :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 16, 2008, 10:01:45 PM
was not expecting that great team performance MC ardle Doyle lynch and number 13 think its the lad from tullylish were excellent
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on January 16, 2008, 10:09:55 PM
Took a run down to this match due to boredom. Down were excellent. Although there full back line was dodgy as usual the forwards showed very,very well.

Kevin McMenamain scored three super points in the first half and everytime the ball went in he was dangerous, McFadden comes on and they decide to play the high ball into the FF line. McMenamin obviously does not get another sniff, crazy in my eyes.

Down took the goals well and although Magee was poor he got 2-0 goals so can't complain. Doyle was excellent on his return and not surprisingly he did not finish the game. The number 12 was very good ealso, and sent his man the same dummy about 5 times.

Whoever hit the frees in the first half should be shot. Terrible altogether.

The midfield battle was intersting. Donegal caught nearly every ball that went down the middle but I think Gordan and Lynch contributed 1-3 between them. Gordon was easily Down's best player.

Very good crowd, enjoyable match for January, great ground.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 16, 2008, 10:15:43 PM
think you area wee bit mixed up there corn magee did not get any goals it was the corner forward the lad from tullylish also think you are mixing lynch and gordon up lynch was outstanding scored 1 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 16, 2008, 10:18:18 PM
It is a long time since I have enjoyed a Down win so much.

I know we need to keep it in perspective. January football, McKenna Cup, weakened Donegal, etc. etc. etc.     But hell, it was good to see Down notch up 5-14 with relative ease. And with a man less for most of the second half.

It would be nice to see it backed up on Saturday evening against the students.

Only negative note, is that we again conceded 13 points.  That has been a pattern for too long.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 16, 2008, 10:20:35 PM
at least no goals which is a start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on January 16, 2008, 10:28:01 PM
Apologies was down by the other nets for the first half so though it was Magee. Again that was my excuse for the other goal in that half I was certain it was Lynch who ran through? Either way Gordon was very good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on January 16, 2008, 10:33:41 PM
Great win 2nite, even its McKenna Cup, very good team performance, though Murney was solid and McArdle is looking better with every game!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 16, 2008, 10:36:09 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 16, 2008, 10:28:01 PM
Apologies was down by the other nets for the first half so though it was Magee. Again that was my excuse for the other goal in that half I was certain it was Lynch who ran through? Either way Gordon was very good.

It was Lynch that ran through.I know its early doors but Gary Mc Ardle could be the answer on the edge of the square. Although Bernie Connell did make great save, never feel fully confident with him. Wonder if Ross will consider calling up Mickey Mc Allister after the sigerson, best keeper in the county in my eyes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 16, 2008, 10:39:53 PM
Yea brill win for Down, Donegal prob just expected to turn up! Thought McKernan was harshly sent off. Forwards looked good when they got going, McArdle could be the answer for fullback, but have to remember its a weak Donegal team but he put in a solid performance, big man!  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on January 16, 2008, 10:40:05 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 16, 2008, 10:36:09 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 16, 2008, 10:28:01 PM
Apologies was down by the other nets for the first half so though it was Magee. Again that was my excuse for the other goal in that half I was certain it was Lynch who ran through? Either way Gordon was very good.

It was Lynch that ran through.I know its early doors but Gary Mc Ardle could be the answer on the edge of the square. Although Bernie Connell did make great save, never feel fully confident with him. Wonder if Ross will consider calling up Mickey Mc Allister after the sigerson, best keeper in the county in my eyes.

Was just thinking that, great keeper!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lisdoon1 on January 16, 2008, 10:43:00 PM
Lynch realy did play a stormer tonight. Well chuffed for him as he took a bit of flack on here after the tyrone game. Brilliant to see Doyle back in the red and black and I was very impressed with him.

Connell was good in my eyes tonight & what else can you ask for but a clean sheet. Not sure about McAllister, lest try out  the 3 we have & take it from there.

The 13 points conceeded do raise concern, on a bad day 5 goals = 5 wides and the game is much tighter.

Lets look at the positives from tonight & lookforward to UUJ on Saturday.

Is the match defo in Newcastle??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 16, 2008, 10:44:43 PM
thats a real bad 5 goals=5 wides ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 16, 2008, 10:51:12 PM
yes, it would be a very bad day.  But sometimes luck, or the flow of the game can go against you.  If the first 2 attempts went wide, the team may be reluctant to attempt another one, never mind three !
But lisdoons point is will made,   a 0-14 to 0-13 game would be a closer scoreline.

But, I agree, let us keep positive and look forward to a potentially good game on Saturday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 16, 2008, 10:59:53 PM
Anybody got he starting fifteen? I assume the 'tullylish lad' was Mc Areavey?

Two very pleasant surprises in Newry tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 16, 2008, 11:07:56 PM
                                       Bernard Connell Drumgath
Ciarán McGovern Burren       Gary McArdle Annaclone         Martin Cole Rostrevor
Colm Murney Rostrevor        Liam Doyle Liatroim                 Kevin McGuigan Shamrocks
                        Dan Gordon Loughisland          Jack Lynch Drumgath
John Fegan Clonduff          Kevin McKernan Burren            Danny Hughes Saval
John Mc Areavey Tullylish    Cathal Magee Mayobridge        Ronan Sexton Mayobridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 16, 2008, 11:26:37 PM
It was a bit of a pinch yourself night, with Down rattling in goals, a DUP minister in the stand and, most amazing of all, a defence looking as though it might be up to the job. Fair enough, we conceded 13 points but most of those were handy frees presented to McFadden by a ref who took sympathy on Donegal in the second half.

The single most encouraging aspect was provided by McArdle, who survived a few hairy moments but at long last is a big strong full back with a bit of pace. It was also great to finally see Doyle at CHB, and, although he was carrying some extra pounds and took a while to adjust to the pace, showed a touch of class when he started to carry the ball out of defence.

Lynch had a stormer, and got a peach of a goal and two even better points, while Dan was also excellent and all the forwards were buzzing. It was only a McKenna Cup game, and Donegal had thrown the towel in long before the end, but we might just have something to build on here.

The atmosphere under the floodlights was great, and could give us plenty of momentum for the Saturday night games in the NFL. Has anyone worked out the likely winning margin we will need against UUJ to make the McKenna semi finals ? 

 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 16, 2008, 11:28:32 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 16, 2008, 11:26:37 PM
It was a bit of a pinch yourself night, with Down rattling in goals, a DUP minister in the stand and, most amazing of all, a defence looking as though it might be up to the job. Fair enough, we conceded 13 points but most of those were handy frees presented to McFadden by a ref who took sympathy on Donegal in the second half.

The single most encouraging aspect was provided by McArdle, who survived a few hairy moments but at long last is a big strong full back with a bit of pace. It was also great to finally see Doyle at CHB, and, although he was carrying some extra pounds and took a while to adjust to the pace, showed a touch of class when he started to carry the ball out of defence.

Lynch had a stormer, and got a peach of a goal and two even better points, while Dan was also excellent and all the forwards were buzzing. It was only a McKenna Cup game, and Donegal had thrown the towel in long before the end, but we might just have something to build on here.

The atmosphere under the floodlights was great, and could give us plenty of momentum for the Saturday night games in the NFL. Has anyone worked out the likely winning margin we will need against UUJ to make the McKenna semi finals ?   

A win of any kind and you're through.

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=919.1050         page 71 Scroll down for the tables.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 16, 2008, 11:34:09 PM
A great Down performance tonight, just a pity Donegal didn't play their strongest team as Ross had hoped for earlier in the week.  Jackie Lynch put in a great performance and got a great ovation from the 2100 crowd when he was taken off with 10ish to go.  Doyle had a great game at CHB.  The new fella McAreavey had a a clinker every thing he touched turned to gold.  I'll reserve judgement on him until he comes up against a meaner defence.  Same goes for John Fegan who had a good game too.  Cathal Magee didn't have a great game and probably has blown his chance for this year with the county.  Connell made a great save to deny a ceratin goal but I didn't much of his kick outs and he scares me under a high ball. 

Ross did two things that most Down supporters have been looking for since he took over.  He played Doyle at CHB  and brought John Clarke on in full forward.  Clarke wasn't long enough to be rated though. 

We need to start winning games even if they are only McKenna cup games.  The Poly will be a more realistic acid test.  I really enjoyed the game its just what Down needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lisdoon1 on January 16, 2008, 11:39:54 PM

Lets enjoy tonights win & hope we can build.

To add to the glory, lets also remember McComiskey has yet to come into the frame

he was Queens top marksman tonight  - again

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7193079.stm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 16, 2008, 11:47:35 PM
Judging by the tables, a win over UUJ will put us into the semis as group winners.

However, by my calculations, we could afford to lose by a small margin and still stay ahead of Fermanagh as best group runners up?

Dr McKenna Cup Tables   
     

Section A    Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
Derry   3   3   0   0   6   46   28   1.400
Fermanagh   3   2   0   1   4    43   37   1.162
St Mary's   3   0   1   2   1   41   52   0.788
Armagh   3   2   1   2   1    29   42   0.690

                               
Section B   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
UUJ   2   2   0   0  4   31   24   1.292
Down   2   1   0   1   2    39   27   1.444
Tyrone   3   1   0   2  2   34   34   1.000
Donegal   3   1   0   2   2     27   30  0.900

Remaining fixture: UUJ v Down at Newcastle
                                 
Section C     Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
Cavan   3   1   0   1   4   40   33   1.212
QUB   3   2   0   0   4     37   39   0.948
Monaghan   3   1   0   2   2     36   32  1.125
Antrim   3   1   0   2  2   31   40   0.755

Cavan, Derry and then two from UUJ, Down and Fermanagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 16, 2008, 11:49:11 PM
having said that,  a win and a good performance again are preferred to just making the semi-final   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 16, 2008, 11:54:04 PM
Quote from: western exile on January 16, 2008, 11:47:35 PM
Judging by the tables, a win over UUJ will put us into the semis as group winners.

However, by my calculations, we could afford to lose by a small margin and still stay ahead of Fermanagh as best group runners up?

That will leave you on 2 points and Fermanagh on 4 points and they would go through. Steady on western.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 16, 2008, 11:56:12 PM
Apologies !!   I was only looking at scoring average.  I forgot about points!  Doh!!!!

So, a win is required then folks !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 17, 2008, 12:02:20 AM
Quote from: western exile on January 16, 2008, 11:56:12 PM
Apologies !!   I was only looking at scoring average.  I forgot about points!  Doh!!!!

So, a win is required then folks !

A cracking result Western. Easy to get carried away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 17, 2008, 01:54:35 AM
unexpected win but a great boost.. though i dont think we should get carried away, donegal were dire and the space the afforded the players was inexcusable, we had so much space at times that our players were taking too many toe taps and losing possession, this is the sort of play which has cost us dear in recent years, i thought everyone done reasonably well especially mc ardle, doyle , jackie and john mc.. Mallon,  i thought big cathal showed glimpses of his potential, that was his first start and looked a bit nervous, a good run with the u21's should bring him on, we are short of big mobile players so i think ross will coach him along...
big jackie is our francie bellew.. hes gives everything and puts himself about..
a great boost all the same!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 17, 2008, 08:18:48 AM
Great result and well done Jack Lynch! 

For a Down team to score 5-14 without Benny Coulter is nearly unbelieveable.

Very encouraging stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on January 17, 2008, 08:51:17 AM
For a Down team to score 5-14 without Benny Coulter is nearly unbelieveable.

Its not. Our best NFL results in recent times have occurred when Benny was injured.

I'm not blaming Benny for this but the rest of team seem to take more responsibility when he is not there .
Our tactics usually degenerate to point where all we do is hoof the high ball forward to him.

Good to see Doyler at CHB.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kb on January 17, 2008, 09:21:55 AM
great performance last nt, mcareavey was very encouraging up front. adds alot of power to forward line, and we have now got someone who cud fill the role of left footed free taker. i hear he is from tullylish. they cud be worth watchin in div2 this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 17, 2008, 10:05:01 AM
Hi Blaney, if ye're gonna bum up your players ye'd better get a craftier username than that.  :D

BTW I'd broadly agree with both points, my only worry about Mc Areavey is whether he has the pace or the divilment (either will do in a forward of his size) to fully make it and, if he does, how Tullylish will cope in the starred games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on January 17, 2008, 10:12:39 AM
Quote from: passedit on January 17, 2008, 10:05:01 AM
Hi Blaney, if ye're gonna bum up your players ye'd better get a craftier username than that.  :D

:D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 17, 2008, 11:17:08 AM
how did he post and have a post count of 0?

Hasnt Kevin parted company with Tullylish?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on January 17, 2008, 11:20:07 AM
Good to see Liam Doyle back into CHB, a strong platform for buildings attacks, always available to take a pass and always seems to have plenty of time on the ball. Gary McArdle also looks to have plenty of cut about him, and got stronger as the game went on last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 17, 2008, 11:26:42 AM
No doubt this will change a lot before May, but a team for the Championship with back-up when required:

1. M McAllister (D Alder)

2. L Howard (C McGovern)
3. G McArdle
4. M Cole

5. P Murphy
6. L Doyle
13. D Rafferty
7. M Doran (D Rooney)

8. J Colgan
9. D Gordan

10. J Clarke (R Sexton)
11. A Rogers
12. R Murtagh

14. B Coulter
15. P McComiskey (D Hughes)

M Walsh, B Grant and G Barry all in contention if they return to the fold. S Kearney too.

We need an extra man back, partly to shore up the defence, partly to allow Liam Doyle and Mark Doran attacking creativity from half-back. Damien Rafferty is perfect for the role.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on January 17, 2008, 11:42:32 AM
mark doran isnt on the panel sure
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 17, 2008, 11:53:40 AM
"the boys in red n black are back, bellies full of fire........."(ye know the rest). :D :D

Here's what i think would be a decent enough lineup for national league start, maybe championship.

1. B Mc Veigh

2. D Rafferty
3. G McArdle
4. M Cole

5. D Rooney
6. L Doyle
7. K Mc Guigan

8. P Murphy
9. D Gordon

10. D Hughes
11. A Rogers
12. R Murtagh

13. R Sexton
14. J Clarke
15. B Coulter

Subs

16. D Alder
17. C Mc Govern
18. J Lynch
19. A Carr
20. J Boyle
21. P Mc Cumiskey
22. J Colgan
23. J Mc Govern
24. P Downie
25. D Mc Cartan
26. B Connell
27. K Mc Kernan
28.
29.
30.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kb on January 17, 2008, 12:03:50 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 17, 2008, 10:05:01 AM
Hi Blaney, if ye're gonna bum up your players ye'd better get a craftier username than that.  :D

BTW I'd broadly agree with both points, my only worry about Mc Areavey is whether he has the pace or the divilment (either will do in a forward of his size) to fully make it and, if he does, how Tullylish will cope in the starred games.

think tullylish will be alrite without mcareavey, johnston at full back was best player in div 3 by country mile last year and mcgovern up front always proved a handful against us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 17, 2008, 12:31:53 PM
Delighted for all concerned , great win and a certain moral booster . From all reports it sounds like it was a great night to be in Newry , lets hope we have more of them ahead . Keep it going lads .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 17, 2008, 01:29:23 PM
Was in attendance last night. Some really encouraging stuff. It was a fine win and we played some very attractive stuff to boot.
I thought Connell done well in goals. However, for some reason he just doesnt inspire 100% confidence. Ive been raving about McGovern for awhile now and yet again I thought he was superb. McArdle was solid again at Number 3 and is a good marker that always seems to be up to the pace.
It was great to see Doyle back. In a few more months he should be back to his best if he stays injury free. I thought he held the position well and when he was on the ball he looked very comfortable. Murney had a good hour. He should be a big player for the U-21s this term.
Our midfield need to step it up a level in terms of ball winning capacity. Gordon seems to be motoring along nicely but there is definitely room for him to step it up another few levels. Lynch probably had his best game in a Down shirt last night. Scoring 1-03 from midfield is no mean feat. However, he needs to up the stakes in terms of fielding.
I thought the forwards gelled nicely. Im a big fan of Danny Hughes and when he is on the ball he looks very dangerous. Sexton done well when he dropped back to play around the middle. McKernan seemed more accustomed to a central role and I thought he done well in the 1st half. Again, you can see him and Magee being big players for the U-21s.
Maybe Im being a bit harsh here but I think McAreavey's performance was a flash in the pan. He's very poor with his right foot, he holds up play too much and too many of his efforts drop in to keepers hands. Nevertheless he posted a healthy scoring return but I just cant see him coping with the higher grade week in week out.
Good to get a win. Great crowd. Great match.

PS. KB - We never actually made it to the Buckshead that night of the Playoff game against your boys. They were fully booked.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 17, 2008, 01:56:27 PM
How about this for an ungrateful guest ?  :D

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mheyeyidcwql/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 17, 2008, 02:47:45 PM
Club Managers 2008 (Fill the Blanks)

Division 1

Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Mayobridge - Mickey Donnelly
An Riocht - Pete McGrath
Loughinisland - Gerard Colgan
Burren - Damien Barton
Rostrevor - Gerry Quinn
Saval - Declan Morgan
Ballyholland - Hugh McGettigan
Castlewellan - Gerry Dougherty
Clonduff - Benny Corrigan
Longstone - Frank Dawson
Liatroim - Adrian McAulfield

Division 2

Bryansford - Eamon Burns
Atticall -
Downpatrick -
Ballymartin -
Darragh Cross -
Banbridge -
Tullylish - Kevin Blaney
Kilclief - Justin Sharvin
Shamrocks -
Warrenpoint -
Dundrum - John McShane
Annaclone - Stephen McVeigh

Division 3

Teconnaught - Bundy Mason
Bredagh - Jody Gormley
Carryduff - PJ O'Hare
Drumaness -
St Michaels -
Drumgath -
Ardglass -
Bosco -
Glenn -
Mitchels - Gerry Cooney
St Pauls -
Saul -
Glasdrumman - Hugh Trainor

Division 4

Bright - Noel Burke
Aughlisnafin - Paddy Hardy
Ballykinlar - Hankie Curran
Dromara - Duck Bell
Aghaderg -
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 17, 2008, 03:00:24 PM
QuoteMitchels - Gerry Cooney


This should be Harry Cooney and not the Great White Hope of the 80s... ;)

For all yous oul hands out there Harry was the front man for FLASH....Irish Band who won New Faces in the 70s.


f**k I'm old :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 17, 2008, 03:05:29 PM
QuoteMaybe Im being a bit harsh here but I think McAreavey's performance was a flash in the pan. He's very poor with his right foot, he holds up play too much and too many of his efforts drop in to keepers hands. Nevertheless he posted a healthy scoring return but I just cant see him coping with the higher grade week in week out.

I'd say you are DF, based on seeing a couple of times against dundrum last year? Lefties always look more one footed than righties, I can't see either of your other criticisms have any bearing oh Corner Forward play (the only position he has a chance in). I have my own doubts about him but he deserves a few more goes after last night.

BTW on the manager front, it's white smoke time in St Pauls tonight with Joe Kernan, Aiden O Rourke and er Frankie Wilson still in the running for the biggest job in club football. Paudie dropped out of the running when those bastards at George Best Airport wouldn't let him land the helicopter unless he wore a Norn Iron jersey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on January 17, 2008, 03:10:00 PM
Quote from: miss mess on January 16, 2008, 11:31:30 AM
gerry quinn from saval is rostrevors new manager

i know this is a bit late, i have been busy lately and no access to the site, but never mind good luck to Gerry Quinn, good luck to Rostrevor, cause they are certainly going to need it with him in charge!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 17, 2008, 04:23:12 PM
I heard last night that its Barney McAleenan and Gerry Quinn in Rostrevor.  Anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 17, 2008, 04:37:01 PM
Quotef**k I'm old 

Aye, and you're a fuckin slabber too!   ;)

Rostrevor must have plenty of cash.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on January 17, 2008, 04:41:59 PM
passedit, the smoke has been flowing for a few days now, i found out on monday we have a new manager!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 17, 2008, 04:45:25 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 17, 2008, 04:37:01 PM
Quotef**k I'm old 

Aye, and you're a fuckin slabber too!   ;)

Rostrevor must have plenty of cash.

I take it you're referring to the Middlesborough dig....if so you're the slabber for telling people you supported them!!! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 17, 2008, 04:49:58 PM
It's MiddlesBROUGH, and if ye throw in the Republic's soccer team aswell ye can't accuse me of glory hunting!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on January 17, 2008, 05:38:04 PM
Down V UUJ Switched to Pairc Esler. Throw in 6 pm... Hopefully as good a turnout and atmosphere as there was last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on January 17, 2008, 10:19:35 PM
I'll be down. A far better venue for an evening match that Newcastle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 17, 2008, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: stpauls on January 17, 2008, 04:41:59 PM
passedit, the smoke has been flowing for a few days now, i found out on monday we have a new manager!


That has to be ratified by the committee yet St.Pauls lets not be too hasety.

QuoteBTW on the manager front, it's white smoke time in St Pauls tonight with Joe Kernan, Aiden O Rourke and er Frankie Wilson still in the running for the biggest job in club football. Paudie dropped out of the running when those bastards at George Best Airport wouldn't let him land the helicopter unless he wore a Norn Iron jersey.



And Passedit, no need to belittle our club, we have the potential and underage set-up to surprise and few in this County in the near future....Watch this space
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 18, 2008, 10:51:44 AM
missed the midweek game and now raging i did. couldnt believe the score line or the result; my first cynical thought was that donegal must have had no team out....but v few posters have referred to their quality....were they anywhere near champ'ship team?

that aside, a win is a win, but a win in that sorta style does wonders for confidence and alot of these boys need confidence boosts. i think if we won 3 or 4 games in a row that injection would add 50% to each player!!

hard to believe jackie was MOM as I am not his biggest fan, but as honest as day is long I will give him that - fair play to him, and again that shot of confidence might do wonders for him too.....
Title: FAO Lecale - Hurling
Post by: No1 on January 18, 2008, 11:10:00 AM
What is the craic with the Betsy Gray?  12 a side, is this a wind up or what?  I think it would be better for the hurling board to sort out their leagues rather than carrying on with this farce.

Why have the Bredagh boys jacked in the juniors?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael on January 18, 2008, 12:09:48 PM
  Why have the Bredagh boys jacked in the juniors?
Would a promotion be the answer?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 18, 2008, 12:37:43 PM

Noamh Pol CLG, is the much vaunted underage set-up that you reffer to the same one that during 2007 seen your U-8s not get a single game, your U-10s withdraw from 3 of the 6 East Down Blitz's and play in only one tournament, your U-12s also only have 1 tournament appearance and the U-16s and minors fail to fulfill their league fixtures.???
The club is progressing fair enough but you should carefully limit your usage of those rose tinted glasses.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on January 18, 2008, 12:52:29 PM
I don't know why the Bredagh lads aren't at the juniors as they certainly have a few lads worth their place on the squad at least, perhaps Lecale could throw some light on that. Their promotion means nothing in terms of qualifying for the juniors as Liatriom, Newry, Ballea etc all have players on the squad. I heard that they weren't particularly welcomed with open arms at training etc in the past and that may be a factor

As for the Betsy Gray, given Bredagh will be at full strength they would have to be favourites. I know that the likes of ourselves will be missing 7-8 players between the Juniors and Seniors with teams such as Liatriom also seriously down on numbers.

Given the decision to play without the junior players I don't think the hurling board had much choice but to go for an "official" guideline of 12 players although all the clubs at the meeting on Monday were clear that if they had 15 players available they would play 15 a side. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 18, 2008, 12:53:29 PM
Goldenyears, Donegal were poor by any standards. They fielded a weak team, got off to a bad start and by the second half they were obviously thinking about the long journey home. However, we are at a stage where we have to take any win we can get and both the performance and the result can only give us a big lift. The new faces all did well, and they will put pressure on the established players for the first time in quite a while.

Making the semi or even the final in the McKenna Cup would also help, but the huge game for us is the first match in the NFL at home to Sligo. If we manage to win it, and it is also under the floodlights, we will be on our way at last.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on January 18, 2008, 01:02:51 PM
Managers

Bosco - Aidan Mulvaney
Glenn - Paddy Kennedy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on January 18, 2008, 01:47:22 PM
yea barney mcaleenan is with gerry quinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 18, 2008, 03:47:41 PM
what do we think Ross should do on Saturday should he still be experimenting and trying differant players or is it more important to try and win the game and get a little more confidence in the players . i would go for the win
Title: Re: FAO Lecale - Hurling
Post by: Bacon on January 18, 2008, 03:55:52 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 18, 2008, 11:10:00 AM
What is the craic with the Betsy Gray?  12 a side, is this a wind up or what?  I think it would be better for the hurling board to sort out their leagues rather than carrying on with this farce.

Why have the Bredagh boys jacked in the juniors?

The likes of Ballela, Newry and Liatroim will all struggle to field 15 without their county players. That's why it was agreed that it could be played 12 aside if needs be. Are you thinking of a come back No 1?

The Bredagh lads didn't jack in the juniors - they were never involved to begin with. According to Paddy about 8 of them were invited to initial trials. Colin Murray sent apologies (injured). 2 other lads were at university in England and none of the rest turned up. I've no idea why.

It's a great opportunity for hurlers outside the Ards and all of them should be encouraged to grab the opportunity with both hands. The Hurling Board has worked hard to get a South Down team into the NHL and hopefully the lads who are involved will benefit from the experience.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 18, 2008, 04:01:02 PM
Defo go for the win , as GY's pointed out earlier the more games these lads can win the better . Don't know about the rest of ya's but I've had enough experimenting to do me for a while. Couldn't make the game on Wednesday night but I must admit I had a bit of a spring in the step Thursday morning . So I hope the lads can build on the Donegal game .
Miss Mess , welcome to the board . I think you are the only female Down poster at this time . Keep her lit .

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 18, 2008, 04:06:31 PM
Under 21 Challenge v Kildare tomorrow 2pm in Newcastle
McKenna Cup Game confirmed Newry 6pm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on January 18, 2008, 04:49:51 PM
To be fair, Donegal werent that impressive on Wednesday night.  It was a brilliant result for Down football and it does give us hope but we really need to be improving bigtime, a few mistakes and slip ups but i suppose its early days.  Personally I think the UUJ game will be quite close, possibly a draw, mustn't let the players' heads get too big.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on January 18, 2008, 04:51:39 PM
downredblack, thanks.  Im missing the down match, ill be in dubai but keep the updates coming, thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 18, 2008, 08:12:05 PM
Quote from: uselessfootballer on January 18, 2008, 12:37:43 PM

Noamh Pol CLG, is the much vaunted underage set-up that you reffer to the same one that during 2007 seen your U-8s not get a single game, your U-10s withdraw from 3 of the 6 East Down Blitz's and play in only one tournament, your U-12s also only have 1 tournament appearance and the U-16s and minors fail to fulfill their league fixtures.???
The club is progressing fair enough but you should carefully limit your usage of those rose tinted glasses.





Indeed, come down to McNamee park on Sunday Mornings from February and see what I'm taking about.  Over 130 kids from age 8-14 training with qualified coaches and senior footballers...Not to many in this county have the pool of kids that we are now moulding.  Over the next 5 years we will begin the see the fruits of this, our current U-14s are the first of the crop since we began the programme and they went undeafeted this year.  Don't you worry about us, Bredagh, Carryduff and ourselves have by far the biggest populated parishes in the County, and there will be a shift in power in the next 10 years, Bredagh have taken the first steps and we will be next ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 18, 2008, 10:41:48 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on January 18, 2008, 08:12:05 PM
Quote from: uselessfootballer on January 18, 2008, 12:37:43 PM

Noamh Pol CLG, is the much vaunted underage set-up that you reffer to the same one that during 2007 seen your U-8s not get a single game, your U-10s withdraw from 3 of the 6 East Down Blitz's and play in only one tournament, your U-12s also only have 1 tournament appearance and the U-16s and minors fail to fulfill their league fixtures.???
The club is progressing fair enough but you should carefully limit your usage of those rose tinted glasses.






Indeed, come down to McNamee park on Sunday Mornings from February and see what I'm taking about.  Over 130 kids from age 8-14 training with qualified coaches and senior footballers...Not to many in this county have the pool of kids that we are now moulding.  Over the next 5 years we will begin the see the fruits of this, our current U-14s are the first of the crop since we began the programme and they went undeafeted this year.  Don't you worry about us, Bredagh, Carryduff and ourselves have by far the biggest populated parishes in the County, and there will be a shift in power in the next 10 years, Bredagh have taken the first steps and we will be next ;)
Thats dancing talk.
Though having by far the biggest populated area isnt overly benefical if most the players dont stick at it beyond minor level.
On a similar note, what are the bredagh posters opinions on the number of non-Bredagh lads on their starting team? I know of a few Bredagh lads whom came through the underage system who have jacked gaelic in, because they felt they were being given a fair crack of the whip at senior level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 18, 2008, 11:42:38 PM
Dundrumite, the vast majority of Down clubs tend to be based on strong family connections down the generations. Bredagh would be among a handful which have a transient character, with people constantly moving in and moving out of the area. No one really wants to play their football in division four, where the overall standard is well behind reserve level at the main clubs and some fixtures are less than serious . If a number of players who have lived in the parish for some time help Bredagh or any other club to get a promotion or possibly two, and raise their game along the way, is that a threat or an opportunity ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on January 19, 2008, 09:04:36 AM
 Naomh Pol CLG   Will you keep away from the keyboard--you're making us look like fools.No,most people will realise your postings are the ravings of an idiot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 19, 2008, 10:32:15 AM
Quote from: imagine on January 19, 2008, 09:04:36 AM
Naomh Pol CLG   Will you keep away from the keyboard--you're making us look like fools.No,most people will realise your postings are the ravings of an idiot.

You appear to be someone well qualified to recognise one....

Thank you for your educated and well thought out argument by the way ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 19, 2008, 10:46:26 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 18, 2008, 11:42:38 PM
Dundrumite, the vast majority of Down clubs tend to be based on strong family connections down the generations. Bredagh would be among a handful which have a transient character, with people constantly moving in and moving out of the area. No one really wants to play their football in division four, where the overall standard is well behind reserve level at the main clubs and some fixtures are less than serious . If a number of players who have lived in the parish for some time help Bredagh or any other club to get a promotion or possibly two, and raise their game along the way, is that a threat or an opportunity ?

Agree 100% with you.  Because of our geography, our club has Armagh, Tyrone, Antrim, Derry, Fermanagh, Dublin and Leitrim folk as members as well as plenty who where members of other in Down such as Clonduff, Laitroim, Tullylish and Loughinisland.  People come and go from our parish due to work comittments on a yearly basis, but the core of GAA people in the Holywood/Bangor/Ards area remains. 

We have played through years of sectarian threat in a hostile loyalist area, and we are now seeing the benefits of struggling through those many tough years.  Our senior team is far from great, and we where lucky to remain in Division 3 last year, but Division 4 is a joke and no club can look to build whilst their senior team is in it.  We hope that our years of being the butt of jokes in this County are coming to an end, we have facilities an a par with most in this county and better than some, and we are putting lots of hard work and resources into our juvenile sytem as we know that that is the only way we are going to get success on the park.  Its a long term plan, but we hope that in 10 years time, we may have a team in the Down Senior Football championship for the first time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 19, 2008, 11:01:52 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 18, 2008, 11:42:38 PM
Dundrumite, the vast majority of Down clubs tend to be based on strong family connections down the generations. Bredagh would be among a handful which have a transient character, with people constantly moving in and moving out of the area. No one really wants to play their football in division four, where the overall standard is well behind reserve level at the main clubs and some fixtures are less than serious . If a number of players who have lived in the parish for some time help Bredagh or any other club to get a promotion or possibly two, and raise their game along the way, is that a threat or an opportunity ?

I think its somewhere between the two.Although im basing my opinion as an outsider with no real indepth knowledge of Bredagh, apart from playing them two or three times a season. It seems to me that most the players on the Bredagh team are those in the later stages of their career whom have moved to the area,perhaps hindering their late teens early 20s age group from getting valuable first team action. Giving more of their youth a shot may be more productive for the long term success of their senior team. There is certainly no reason why these more experienced players cant guide the younger "home grown" players if you will, in the right direction.I certainly know from playing Bredagh at underage they have/had some terrific underage players . However, again as an outsider im ignorant in this respect, there may be numerous reason other than the one i mentioned in my previous post as too why these lads arent playing anymore? Im far from knocking the likes of Bredagh, St Pauls and Carryduff im just wondering if my perception is an accurate one?  Although I see both Bredagh and Carryduff have have now a thirds team on the go so their certainly growing and moving in the right direction.  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pearses on January 19, 2008, 03:03:37 PM
[quote ]
On a similar note, what are the bredagh posters opinions on the number of non-Bredagh lads on their starting team? I know of a few Bredagh lads whom came through the underage system who have jacked gaelic in, because they felt they were being given a fair crack of the whip at senior level.

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dundrumite, I dont think is a fair assessment of the way the bredagh team is run - although I am a blow in myself so maybe not in the best position to judge.  I joined when I was 20 and am in my 4th season now, our captian joined at the same time and he was 21 so its not just old fellas joining.  There is a serious amount of talent coming through the bredagh underage set up, it just hasn't all filtered through to senior level yet, but it will soon and they will learn from the older palyers on the team who have played different styles of football in different counties.  I can't honestly think of any young players who came to training week in week out and never got a chance - Paddy Heaney started 5 minors in our championship game against carryduff and they all performed brilliantly.

Title: Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Final Tables
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 19, 2008, 07:59:47 PM
Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup Final Tables   
     

Section A    Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
Derry   3   3   0   0   6   46   28   1.400
Fermanagh   3   2   0   1   4    43   37   1.162
St Mary's   3   0   1   2   1   41   52   0.788
Armagh   3   2   1   2   1    29   42   0.690

                               
Section B   Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
Down   2   1   0   1   4    57   42  1.357
UUJ   2   2   0   0   4   46   42   1.095
Tyrone   3   1   0   2   2   34   34   1.000
Donegal   3   1   0   2   2     27   30  0.900

                                 
Section C     Played   Won   Draw   Lost   Points    For   Against   Scoring Average
Cavan   3   1   0   1   4   40   33   1.212
QUB   3   2   0   0   4     37   39   0.948
Monaghan   3   1   0   2   2     36   32  1.125
Antrim   3   1   0   2   2   31   40   0.755

Semi Finals

The first semi-final is on Tuesday at Newry on Tuesday, 22 January when Cavan play Down at 2000GMT.

On Wednesday Derry face Fermanagh at Omagh (2000GMT).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on January 19, 2008, 08:54:16 PM
Liam Doyle = Rolls Royce
Ronan Sexton and Kevin Mc Kernan good also.
Mc Govern and Cole had good games although Mark Lynch and Andy Moran were better.
John Clarke seems to have improved his kicking technique- the Collingwood influence ?Beat you to it Rover og.
The stand is worth at least 3 points, gets the crowd behind the players, and that 3 points will be the difference on Tuesday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 19, 2008, 09:08:14 PM
down are flying at the minute! some great performances. thought  ciaran mc govern played brilliantly but he could be caught out for high balls due to his height.. doyle is very solid.. seems to know were to be.. we need to dominate midfield more and our forwards need to be willing to shoot more often.
newry is a great place to watch a match.. a great buzz in the stand.. though for a prunty pitch i feel that the field should be upholding a bit
better... i know that there has been a lot of rain but their has been virtaully no football played on it.. i would love to know what state the saval pitch is in at the minute
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 19, 2008, 09:59:08 PM
We should not get ahead of ourselves, as UUJ missed two virtual open goals at crucial stages in the second half which would have cost us the match. Their corner forward (Moran ?) went round our keeper, McVeigh, but shot just over from an angle, and when McVeigh made a good save against the crossbar, a UUJ forward punched to an empty net but again it went just over the bar.

However, it was still a generally impressive Down performance against a fit and well organised side who were in a completely different league to Donegal last Wednesday. We were under a lost more pressure at the back, and McArdle found the going much tougher at full back, but both corner backs did well. McVeigh was also sound and his kick-outs were excellent.

The star of the show was undoubtedly Doyle. It's a little hard to believe that some people on this board were writing him off a matter of weeks ago, and even harder to understand why Paddy kept him up front and refused to give him even a single run in what now appears is obviously his best position at CHB. He was majestic tonight, winning the ball, carrying it confidently out of defence and picking out his forwards with kicked, chest-high passes on both wings. If he stays fit, he will be one of our key men this year.

McGuigan took his goal brilliantly, but is still better going forward than defending, while O'Hanlon was steady enough and took a fine point. Midfield was more of a concern, as Dan was in and out and Jackie never got going. Turley improved us considerably by doing the simple things well.

McKernan had a fine game, although he will have to learn how to tackle without fouling, while Fegan worked hard without entirely convincing. Hughes also covered a huge amount of ground and showed great pace but still takes the odd wrong option and probably needs others to win the ball for him.

McAreavey and Magee mostly struggled, but Sexton was excellent throughout. Clarke was outstanding during his brief period and took his points from distance in the way his manager used to. It is fairly clear that he has also been used in the wrong positions in the past.

Before last Wednesday, Down had won a single game in the previous 20 months. We have now managed two in three days, with another home match at Fortress Esler to come on Tuesday. It is only the McKenna Cup but I can't wait.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 19, 2008, 10:40:18 PM
If you ask me I think Carr was keeping his cards close to his chest in Omagh. He probably didn't want to give anything away with the championship game on the horizon. I think you will beat Cavan and then meet Derry in the final. Mind you I'm often wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: topgun on January 20, 2008, 12:32:53 AM
im afraid i am going to have to burst ur bubble but its only the mckenna cup, i would love to see down becoming a force again but dont get carried away with a few decent results in january, as i am readin from the posts here on this thread apparently there are a no of positions up for grabs. IMO Bernard Connell should be given the time to grow into the role as Downs no 1 Mikey McVeigh was a great great goalkeeper and Bernard Connell can be the same given the chance he deserves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 20, 2008, 04:46:08 AM
You got to be happy with what we saw tongiht.  I know its only January and its only the McKenna cup but a win is a win.  This last week and been a real shot in the arm for Down football, and there is a real air of optimisim about the county at the minute. Long may it continue. 

McVeigh looks a better keeper than Connelll, but Connell should get another chance.  I'd like to see Alder  get a go as well because I haven't seen much of him and a lot of people are raving about him.  McAreevey was found out tonight against a stronger defence but IMHO deserves another shot at it.  Cathal Magee upped his performance from Wednesday night but this may be a level too high too early for my club mate,  Him and Downy seem to be the same player.  John Fegan impressed again.  The defence swept up lots of ball and seem to have loads of pace about them.  Jackie Lynch had a much quieter game, Gordan too.  John Clarke is a forward, and proved this to one and all tonight.  The best performance against the Bridge this year was John Clarke in the league semi final when he played FF.  He had a complete stormer that night.  He knows how to put the ball over the bar from distance something which Down really haven't been doing.  Doyler is one cool mother f**ker, never panics and has all the time in the world  on the ball.  I think he has that position nailed.

What is the status on our injured players?  I heard Benny wanted to come on against Donegal but this is only pub talk.  Anyone know what the status of Ambrose and Paul Murphy is?  James Colgan was fit and available for UUJ but wasn't selected tonight???? 

A home game against Cavan is great for us Down supporters.  The marshes under lights is great, brill atmosphere.  A bit of Christy at half time too! Maybe less annoying anouncements would have done.  I only needed to be told once that there was no electric on the point road, I'm a culchie and am used to finding my way home in the dark.  I'm only nit picking now.

Cavan in Newry on Tuesday night will hold no fear.  Did I see some swagger?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on January 20, 2008, 10:21:00 AM
Great win last  night.  As has been said already, its only the McKenna cup but the last few years as a Down fan have been tough so why enjoy two wins on the trot.  And its also great to finish as group winners with tyrone trailing behind!

Defence generally was solid enough, however UUJ got most of their scores from free kicks which is slightly worrying.  Lynch was immense with their free kicks.  McGovern had a great game in the corner and Doyle was very good, I think he has a calming effect on the back six.  O'Hanlon did nothing wrong and scored a point which will do a lot for his confidence.

Midfield was my biggest concern. I can only recall one clean catch at MF in the whole game and that was by Gordon.  Gordon was quiet enough and could have contributed more.  As for Lynch, I just don't think he is good enough despite his fine game against Donegal.  Once Ambrose is fit he will be straight back in there.

Forwards were generally good.  Fegan had a good game and was good from the frees.  McKernan showed well but still needs more time, he has a lot of promise.  Hughes had a bad night, seemed to take the wrong option every time. McAreavy and Magee had nights to forget, Magee fumbled nearly every ball he got, but again he needs more time.  Sexton was quiet enough but still got a few scores.

I think Ross has finally caught on that John Clarke is not a defender and that Doyle is not  forward.  They were both great last night.

I think if we can sort out our full back line we have a team that could surprise Tyrone come C'ship.  Add Coulter, McComiskey and Walsh to that forward line and you can see a real scoring threat.

Looking forward to Tuesday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 20, 2008, 11:45:36 AM
Caitlin
QuoteJohn Clarke seems to have improved his kicking technique- the Collingwood influence ?Beat you to it Rover og.
For as long as I can remember John Clarke playing football he has had the most flawless kicking technique - which is why a number of us have been demanding him in the forward line for years.


Some really encouraging stuff from Down last night. In McArdle, Doyle and McGovern there finally appears to be players able to fill our problematic positions. Hey, we're not Kerry yet, but we'll be a whole lot closer to giving the likes of Kerry a game if these boys stay fit and keen. Suddenly I'm not so disillusioned about travelling to Omagh on May.

Fegan and Sexton were very useful among the forwards, but the best bit about the forward line is the players we still have to bring into it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 20, 2008, 04:16:49 PM
murtagh needs to calm down should have been sent off last night struck his man in the chest right in front off the ref only got a yellow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on January 20, 2008, 06:19:04 PM

If this thread wasn't so funny it'd be very sad. to see the once great neighbours wetting themselves with excitment in january because most of their championship team were able to beat an unrecognisable donegal and a university side.

swagger indeed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 20, 2008, 06:40:59 PM
Shut up Uladh!

Anyway back to the match, i think there is a lot of people on here criticising young Cathal Magee. You have to remember he's only started TWO games for Down and should be given a chance, this lad has loads of potential and i think Ross and DJ realise this. Some people were saying he should have been taken off sooner, but his link up play was very good, showed some great fielding (His catch on edge of the square) and made some telling runs also! In the first half nearly all the scores came off him! So give him a chance, he will get better!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 20, 2008, 06:46:53 PM
Well said 5ive times, couldn't have agreed with you enough!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on January 20, 2008, 06:48:27 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 20, 2008, 06:48:35 PM
Yes i agree with you, but has more to offer than Packy does. I think he will figure in a few games. He is only 20, still plenty of time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 20, 2008, 06:51:16 PM
How does anyone think how James McGovern played last night? Do you think he'll make it on to the down team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on January 20, 2008, 07:20:42 PM
Uladh, winning is a habit. We have a tough opener, home to the Connaught champions, but it will be a Saturday night in Newry and with a reasonable Mc Kenna campaign behind us, we can approach the league in better shape .Last year we went to Drogheda with no wins  and had a good first half but ended up well beaten- this year we will go there again with hopefully a win over Sligo under our belt- judge us then.
We saw the best and worst of Ronan Murtagh last night-  a stupid personal squabble lost us possession with a score on when the ref saw him hit your man and gave UUJ a free. The team must come before the individual- that is one of the things that went wrong under POR, the players taking their cue from the manager, who squared up to just about every other manager we played.
Then, in the last minute, he put his body on the line with a super block  to deny them a certain score.
I thought James Mc Govern played the way he does for Down-OK but nothing more - a panel player.It's a pity his cousin is a bit small as we could do with that tenacity at number three.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 20, 2008, 07:43:45 PM
How long did John Clarke play?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on January 20, 2008, 07:53:05 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on January 20, 2008, 07:41:42 PM
Does anyone have last nights starting XV and if possible what subs were used. I missed the first few minutes and didnt get the line-ups. I know Murtagh came on in the half back line and Downey for Magee, but I cant remember the rest.

1 B McVeigh
2 C McGovern
3 G McArdle
4 M Cole
5 D O'Hanlon
6 L Doyle
7 K McGuigan
8 D Gordan
9 J Lynch
10 J Fegan
11 K McKernan
12 D Hughes
13 J McAreavey
14 C McGee
15 R Sexton

Subs:
C Gribben for J McAreavey
P Downey for C McGee
P Turley for J Lynch
R Murtagh for D O'Hanlon
J Clarke for K McKernan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 21, 2008, 10:20:12 AM

Noamh Pol CLG, is the much vaunted underage set-up that you reffer to the same one that during 2007 seen your U-8s not get a single game, your U-10s withdraw from 3 of the 6 East Down Blitz's and play in only one tournament, your U-12s also only have 1 tournament appearance and the U-16s and minors fail to fulfill their league fixtures.
The club is progressing fair enough but you should carefully limit your usage of those rose tinted glasses.






Indeed, come down to McNamee park on Sunday Mornings from February and see what I'm taking about.  Over 130 kids from age 8-14 training with qualified coaches and senior footballers...Not to many in this county have the pool of kids that we are now moulding.  Over the next 5 years we will begin the see the fruits of this, our current U-14s are the first of the crop since we began the programme and they went undeafeted this year.  Don't you worry about us, Bredagh, Carryduff and ourselves have by far the biggest populated parishes in the County, and there will be a shift in power in the next 10 years, Bredagh have taken the first steps and we will be next   

« Last Edit: January 18, 2008, 08:13:46 PM by Naomh Pol CLG » 

Naomh Pol CLG I'm don't know how to achieve the boxed quote function on the board but I'm keen to contine our wee conversation from Friday.
I'm not denying that your club is progessing and that significant efforts are being made with underage structures, but response again underlines the rose-tinted view you have of this work. 130 kids training on McNamee park on a Sunday morning I think you'll find the numbers peaked at about 80.
If people with a more realistic view (than yourself) of the work that needs to be achieved are overseeing the club's development programme then there may be a chance of devlivering on some of the promise, but you would do well to remember that your club is coming from a lowly position and that whilst all success is relevant it might be prudent for some of this improvement to be tangible before you go announcing a St. Paul's takeover to the whole county.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on January 21, 2008, 10:24:22 AM
Was away at the weekend so Missed the UUJ. game on sat evening  >:( 

Could someone give a wee report on the players and how the preformed?
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 21, 2008, 10:54:58 AM
Have a look at Page 243 0f this thread ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on January 21, 2008, 11:27:09 AM
Re; Down Vs UUJ, A solid enough performance by Down, and a marked improvement on anything we they have produced in this last couple of years. Still too many silly mistakes though especially from Danny Hughes and Kevin McGuigan, both of whom had actually quite good games. As has been stated by a few posters earlier, John Clarke was excellent when he came on and his willingness to take responsibility and put the wall over the bar from distance is something that has been badly missing from Down teams for a while.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 21, 2008, 12:22:23 PM
That last post of mine isn't actually too bad considering it was written near 5 on Sunday morning.  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on January 21, 2008, 12:27:20 PM
Quote from: amallon on January 21, 2008, 12:22:23 PM
That last post of mine isn't actually too bad considering it was written near 5 on Sunday morning.  :)

You must have got a dirty bit in Grants??  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 21, 2008, 01:47:36 PM
There hasn't been a dirty bit in Grants in years! You'd need to go to Gormans for that!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 21, 2008, 04:15:37 PM
there is nt much about this weather in gormans either aidan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 21, 2008, 04:31:14 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on January 17, 2008, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: stpauls on January 17, 2008, 04:41:59 PM
passedit, the smoke has been flowing for a few days now, i found out on monday we have a new manager!


That has to be ratified by the committee yet John lets not be too hasety.

QuoteBTW on the manager front, it's white smoke time in St Pauls tonight with Joe Kernan, Aiden O Rourke and er Frankie Wilson still in the running for the biggest job in club football. Paudie dropped out of the running when those bastards at George Best Airport wouldn't let him land the helicopter unless he wore a Norn Iron jersey.



And Passedit, no need to belittle our club, we have the potential and underage set-up to surprise and few in this County in the near future....Watch this space

Ye're awful touchy N Pol, you found a slight where none was intended, if you read back a few more pages ye'd see that Gerry's new club were supposed to be in for first two names in my post and got him instead. As ye had him first that obviously puts ye ahead in the race for the other two boyos as well.

The helicopter bit was obviously a piss take, a norn iron jersey wouldn't stop Paudi, he'd wear a sash if he was getting enough lucre (alledgedly).

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on January 21, 2008, 04:47:02 PM
i have already pulled him about that passedit, the man obvoiusly doesn't realise who he is dealing with here!  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 21, 2008, 06:47:44 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 21, 2008, 04:31:14 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on January 17, 2008, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: stpauls on January 17, 2008, 04:41:59 PM
passedit, the smoke has been flowing for a few days now, i found out on monday we have a new manager!


That has to be ratified by the committee yet St Pauls lets not be too hasety.

QuoteBTW on the manager front, it's white smoke time in St Pauls tonight with Joe Kernan, Aiden O Rourke and er Frankie Wilson still in the running for the biggest job in club football. Paudie dropped out of the running when those bastards at George Best Airport wouldn't let him land the helicopter unless he wore a Norn Iron jersey.



And Passedit, no need to belittle our club, we have the potential and underage set-up to surprise and few in this County in the near future....Watch this space

Ye're awful touchy N Pol, you found a slight where none was intended, if you read back a few more pages ye'd see that Gerry's new club were supposed to be in for first two names in my post and got him instead. As ye had him first that obviously puts ye ahead in the race for the other two boyos as well.



Apologies, when you played through the tough times for St. Pauls you get a bit touchy as you think most people are on the piss take...I hadn't realised who you where :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 21, 2008, 07:02:58 PM
Quote from: uselessfootballer on January 21, 2008, 10:20:12 AM

Noamh Pol CLG, is the much vaunted underage set-up that you reffer to the same one that during 2007 seen your U-8s not get a single game, your U-10s withdraw from 3 of the 6 East Down Blitz's and play in only one tournament, your U-12s also only have 1 tournament appearance and the U-16s and minors fail to fulfill their league fixtures.
The club is progressing fair enough but you should carefully limit your usage of those rose tinted glasses.








Indeed, come down to McNamee park on Sunday Mornings from February and see what I'm taking about.  Over 130 kids from age 8-14 training with qualified coaches and senior footballers...Not to many in this county have the pool of kids that we are now moulding.  Over the next 5 years we will begin the see the fruits of this, our current U-14s are the first of the crop since we began the programme and they went undeafeted this year.  Don't you worry about us, Bredagh, Carryduff and ourselves have by far the biggest populated parishes in the County, and there will be a shift in power in the next 10 years, Bredagh have taken the first steps and we will be next   

« Last Edit: January 18, 2008, 08:13:46 PM by Naomh Pol CLG » 

Naomh Pol CLG I'm don't know how to achieve the boxed quote function on the board but I'm keen to contine our wee conversation from Friday.
I'm not denying that your club is progessing and that significant efforts are being made with underage structures, but response again underlines the rose-tinted view you have of this work. 130 kids training on McNamee park on a Sunday morning I think you'll find the numbers peaked at about 80.
If people with a more realistic view (than yourself) of the work that needs to be achieved are overseeing the club's development programme then there may be a chance of devlivering on some of the promise, but you would do well to remember that your club is coming from a lowly position and that whilst all success is relevant it might be prudent for some of this improvement to be tangible before you go announcing a St. Paul's takeover to the whole county.




I think its fair to say we will not be taking over the county, but Division three status and a good run in the Junior championship are very achieveable for us, and perhaps from that we can build further. I make no excuses about having rose tinted glasses about my club, I remember the tough times and played for many years on a pitch that would be more suited to mountain goats rather than Gaelic Footballers.  When people who came along to watch the game where asked to play to make up the numbers.  When fulfilling fixtures was all that was important simply to ensure we stayed in existence. I am proud of how far our club has come and look optimistically to the future.

It appears that you have some sort of chip on your shoulder regarding our club, perhaps you should address that and then indeed we can carry on our conversation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 21, 2008, 08:22:30 PM
Aye, think I'll head down to An Luir tomorrow night just to see what all the fuss is about :D

Rumour has it we actually have 6 defenders...But I will need to see it for myself before I believe it ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on January 22, 2008, 09:34:03 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on January 21, 2008, 08:22:30 PM
Aye, think I'll head down to An Luir tomorrow night just to see what all the fuss is about :D

Rumour has it we actually have 6 defenders...But I will need to see it for myself before I believe it ;D ;D

No we do not, we just have a team who are scoring more than the opposition, this i fear may come back to bite us in the ass come championship time when things get tighter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smiler An Dun on January 22, 2008, 12:30:58 PM
anyone got any idea how the field is holding up for tonights game, with all the rain that is about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 22, 2008, 01:42:58 PM
Three inter-county games on the infamous Marshes inside 7 days! When did we ever think that would happen? Fair play to Ulster Council and Club Down who have been the main reason for the changes at Esler Park
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 22, 2008, 02:04:41 PM
The game is bound to be in doubt if this rain keeps up.  Anyone got the inside story??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 22, 2008, 03:37:36 PM
the pitch will be in bad state! i see there is another game in pairc esler at the weekend.. expect to see a red head goal machine at some stage tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 22, 2008, 04:11:30 PM
Its pishing it down here in Dundalk and has been almost every time I looked out the window this afternoon.  Whats it been at in Newry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on January 22, 2008, 05:23:50 PM
Its rained constantly all day, but as has been said the final is scheduled for Saturday so they may have to play it.  It really will be the marshes if the game goes ahead.  Anyone here in the know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 22, 2008, 05:36:45 PM
Heard from Shamrocks member that game goes ahead and pitch is holding up well apart from area in front of stand which has been macerated by sideline officials in last couple of games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 22, 2008, 06:20:23 PM
Any radio coverage tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 22, 2008, 06:41:54 PM
What times the throw in at?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2008, 08:03:33 PM
The Down team has Turley in for Gordon at midfield and Clarke for McAreavey up front - otherwise unchanged. Fegan has just opened the scoring for us with a pointed free.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 22, 2008, 08:05:18 PM
P Turley from Saval??

You at the match, whats the pitch like?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2008, 08:11:24 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on January 22, 2008, 08:05:18 PM
P Turley from Saval??

You at the match, whats the pitch like?
I'm listening on the 5fm online broadcast.
They said the pitch is holding up well though.
Score is 0-4 Down 0-3 Cavan after 14 mins
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 22, 2008, 08:17:21 PM
Ah right, well any updates will be much appreciated, stuck in work here with no sound on the computers or anything.

High scoring match already by sounds of things
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2008, 08:22:18 PM
0-5 each after 20 minutes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 22, 2008, 08:32:41 PM
9-7 Down. Clarke the star so far. (by the radio anyway)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Armagh Exile on January 22, 2008, 08:37:00 PM
Down 0-9
Cavan 0-9
Half-time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 22, 2008, 08:40:34 PM
Any idea who's done the scoring for Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ExiledGael on January 22, 2008, 08:41:56 PM
Very high scoring, pitch must be holding up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 22, 2008, 08:46:10 PM
Could someone please post a link to 5fm online, Google search just throws up Pop channels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2008, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 22, 2008, 08:46:10 PM
Could someone please post a link to 5fm online, Google search just throws up Pop channels
http://fivefm.co.uk/
You have to download something before the link plays.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2008, 09:02:06 PM
Cavan scored a goal, and Cavan midfielder sent off. Mark McKeever.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 22, 2008, 09:05:46 PM
so whats the score? is it 1-09 to 0-09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2008, 09:12:23 PM
Rostrevor's Colm Murney is sent off. Score I think is 1-9 to 0-12 a draw now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2008, 09:16:15 PM
Sorry the 5fm didn't read the score for a while. It is now 1-11 to 0-13 for Cavan. Down losing momentum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2008, 09:21:12 PM
It is now 1-12 to 0-14 for Cavan in the closing stages. Down just had a 1 on 1 shot, with a great goal chance, and hit the post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 22, 2008, 09:22:22 PM
Keep the updates coming Rover. I can't get Five FM.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2008, 09:22:41 PM
Spoke too soon. They got the ball straight back and the man himself John Clarke hammered to the net ;D. Down 1-14 Cavan 1-12 into the last 5 mins. Clarke has 1-3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2008, 09:24:44 PM
Down are 3 points clear now, Cahal Magee point. 3 minutes to go, and up to 3 mins injury time. Down 1-15 Cavan 1-12.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2008, 09:25:42 PM
2 minutes to go. Cavan just scored a goal thanks to a botched clearance. Draw Down 1-15 Cavan 2-12.
Exciting stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 22, 2008, 09:27:12 PM
1 up d hughes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2008, 09:30:08 PM
That's it! We won! FT score Down 1-16 Cavan 2-12.
Final on Saturday. Sounds like a great game. :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 22, 2008, 09:34:20 PM
Excellent stuff.  Will be interested to hear from those there about the performance, but a place in the final will do alot for the self confidence of a team that has been devoid of that since our Ulster Final defeat against Tyrone..

With a fairly easy (ON PAPER) Div 3 national league campaign ahead, confidence should be high going into the champoinship...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on January 22, 2008, 09:35:45 PM
Well done the rover!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on January 22, 2008, 09:36:27 PM
Just in and read the updates on here from start to finish. got real excited and not anywhere near the game. when and where is the final anyone know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ExiledGael on January 22, 2008, 09:39:29 PM
Will depend on tomorrow night but it's down for Saturday evening so I'd say Casement or Omagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 22, 2008, 09:40:48 PM
I really hope they don't make us trek all the f**king way over to Omagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 22, 2008, 09:43:03 PM
If the rail holds up, Pairc Esler might be the only playable field in Ulster !!

Thanks the Gods for 5fm on the internet for those of us who cannot make it the oul county midweek!

I sounded exciting stuff. Looking forward to the posts here !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on January 22, 2008, 09:49:57 PM
Just in, didn't know the result, found the update really exciting (excellent work Rover & Passedit).
Woopee! Now we have a final to go to and can do so with some restored confidence. 
I never place too much stock on the McKenna Cup but given the depths Down are coming from this is a welcome boost

Moving Clarke up front has been a godsend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 22, 2008, 10:09:00 PM

Still conceeding too many (2-45 in our last 3 "wins'' !), and no doubt there will be much discussion on that on this board in the coming weeks,  but for now lets us enjoy the good feeling this week and prepare for a football FINAL!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 22, 2008, 10:12:01 PM
Haha, it's very true Western Exile. The scary thing is I imagine most of the defence today will feature strongly come championship time...but the same can't be said of the forwards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 22, 2008, 10:21:58 PM
Maybe it's because Down won, but i thought the coverage was very competent by local (i'm including RU and RTE in that definition) radio standards. won't judge anyone by what i hear on the radio but Clarke appears to be the big plus from the campaign so far, rarely was he mentioned that a down score didn't follow soon after. Young Magee seemed to give a better account of himself as well. Here's hoping for a derry win tomorrow night and dry weather in Belfast till saturday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on January 22, 2008, 10:26:18 PM
5fms coverage of Down games is excellent. The main commentatot (name?) is a bit mono tone but he is very good at it, and Quinn plays the co-commentator well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 22, 2008, 10:27:31 PM
Casement hasn't been playable for the last 2 weeks. Antrim McKenna cup game and Armoy's JHC match were both moved. I wouldn't be hopeful. Obviously Casement is far handier than Omagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 22, 2008, 10:29:52 PM
John (Jack) Devaney is developing into a very useful commentator. He gives a good flavour of the game and always finds a way to recap what has happened even when Jerry Quinn goes off on a long ramble. Contrast and compare even tonight Devaney's offering compared to that Damien fella from Armagh. Damien introduced the show, and in the space of 30 seconds managed to splutter, stuuter and repeat himself twice. I wouldn't like his style anyway, but if he can't be bothered to write a preamble for a match, Five FM really don't need an excuse to get shot of him. Cue Devaney at the ground, and in 30 seconds he introduced the match, and how we have arrived at it properly.

And in fairness to Jerry Quinn, he does know a fair bit about the average footballer in Down (very useful at McKenna Cup time) and likes to throw in an opinion or two, which is more than some of the analysts will. I also sense that he has learned a bit and is getting genuinely comfortable in the role. At the start he tried to join in at describing the action, but is much better in an analysts role.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on January 22, 2008, 10:31:05 PM
Was at the game 2nite very hard fought win in very tough conditions against on paper a strong Cavan team!
Some good individual performances, Doyle and mc guigan worked very hard! Backs looked hairy enough at times. Midfield was keek, neither player looked anywhere near standard!
But most impressive thing was coming back from the Cavan goals i have no doubt that previous Down teams would have folded at this stage and the atmosphere was brilliant for a McKenna cup game!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 22, 2008, 10:31:59 PM
Easy lads...its the McKenna Cup for Christ sake. Before we start getting excited we need to win the 3rd division of the league and get a good run in the championship beginning with beating Tyrone. Dont get me wrong .....fair play to the lads for making the final but as Winston Wolf said in Pulp Fiction...



"lets not start sucking each others dicks just yet".
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 22, 2008, 10:33:08 PM
was at the match thought Hughes scored the goal could be wrong big Maggee played well as did Clarke midfield was poor Doyle was very good again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 22, 2008, 10:41:49 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 22, 2008, 10:31:59 PM
Easy lads...its the McKenna Cup for Christ sake. Before we start getting excited we need to win the 3rd division of the league and get a good run in the championship beginning with beating Tyrone. Dont get me wrong .....fair play to the lads for making the final but as Winston Wolf said in Pulp Fiction...



"lets not start sucking each others dicks just yet".


;D :D

Very true, but its good to be positive, and lets be honest its been a while since we have had to opportunity to be so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 22, 2008, 10:44:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 22, 2008, 10:29:52 PM
John (Jack) Devaney is developing into a very useful commentator. He gives a good flavour of the game and always finds a way to recap what has happened even when Jerry Quinn goes off on a long ramble. Contrast and compare even tonight Devaney's offering compared to that Damien fella from Armagh. Damien introduced the show, and in the space of 30 seconds managed to splutter, stuuter and repeat himself twice. I wouldn't like his style anyway, but if he can't be bothered to write a preamble for a match, Five FM really don't need an excuse to get shot of him. Cue Devaney at the ground, and in 30 seconds he introduced the match, and how we have arrived at it properly.

And in fairness to Jerry Quinn, he does know a fair bit about the average footballer in Down (very useful at McKenna Cup time) and likes to throw in an opinion or two, which is more than some of the analysts will. I also sense that he has learned a bit and is getting genuinely comfortable in the role. At the start he tried to join in at describing the action, but is much better in an analysts role.

Spot on Wobbler, if thon damian is the same fella i think it is he's actually outperforming my expectations. Devaney is already O Hehir compared to the likes of Jimmy Smyth and Brian Carty. Quinn is good at what is for me the harder job (adverts for scor aside) compare his efforts to canavan and gormley or even some of the muppets 5 Live use for the sacar and he doesnt come out too bad.

5sams, great line from a great film, there'll be some crowd in Newry expecting big things on the second all the same. Don't worry Arma's own WW Uladh will be along in a minute to put everyone back in their box.  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 22, 2008, 10:50:10 PM
No matter what the competition or time of year, winning beats losing, its a good habit to acquire
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on January 22, 2008, 10:53:56 PM
I have to admit, i jumped on the mckenna cup bandwagon tonight an took myself down to the marshes. Was very impressed with the way down played. Very direct football. Whenever down began to fist past from side to side which was rare, kevin mckernan got on the ball and kicked it forward.

Clarke impressed me most as did danny in the last 20 minutes. i felt down upped their game when murtagh came on and boys started showing and fighting for the ball! doyler was excellent, great passing and going forward.also it's the best i've seen kevin mcguigan play in a down shirt, worked his socks off. Was really impressed with magee, goes about his game effectively, no fancy stuff!

Was impressed with DJ along the line also, he organised the defence, gave great calls and told men where to go

lets hope down win on sunday, would be a great boost for rest of season and give some much needed confidence!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 22, 2008, 11:10:02 PM
Sorry to be a killjoy but don't get me wrong lads. I agree with all this "a win's a win" crack and the confidence booster that it is......but I remember us laughing at Armagh taking the McKenna Cup around the primary schools in Armagh when they won it in the early 90s....lets not get carried away...these are pre season friendlies for all intents and purposes...let's see how we get on when we meet full strength teams and we have our first 15 on the field
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 22, 2008, 11:21:22 PM
was it not hughes that scored the goal??   a good performance from down tonight, thay never folded when cavan got their goals, they kept playing football and thr result was the right one.  murney was lucky to only get a yellow when mckeever got sent off,  could have went then too.  roll on saturday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 23, 2008, 12:00:09 AM
Another good nights entertainment in the Marshes.  I think the lack of a midfield put our defence under so much pressure through out the game.  I'm not goinng to write either of Lynch or Turley off completley but its looking more and more like Ambrose and Gordan have midfield nailed.  What sort of injury did Gordan pick up?  When will Ambrose be back?  How long before Paul Murphy is back?

I'm not going to but the boot into the defence too much due to the problems around the middle.  I was critical of Cathal Magee's earlier performances in the McKenna cup and have been made to eat my words tonight around the Bridge, he put in a great performance tonight, as did John Fegan, Sexton and Clarke.  Clarke especially knows where the posts are.

No disrespect to Fermanagh but I expect to be playing Derry in Casement on Sunday.  I haven't really been following their progress in the McKenna cup in much detail but it will be a real test for Down to come up against Muldoon and the Bradleys. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 23, 2008, 01:49:54 AM
I thought that the game was one of the best and most enjoyable  have seen in a while.. it was fast, attacking and plenty of scores.. i was pleased with downs resilence.. our full was good again, and our whole defence tayed strong despite a lot of pressure.. we never won much at midfield and our half forwards were playing too deep most of the time.. maybe a talk from messers o'neill, mc carten and paddy mo would help because the three ladsare definately capabae of shooting, albeit their workrate wa very good... sexton always is looking for the ball and will never back down but clarke and big cathal were brilliant tonight.. their ball winning skills and shooting were excellent.  cathal magee has bags of potential.. he is tall,strong, knows were to be and can shoot.. he is just lacking in confidence.. he is a very shy , quiet lad andhopefull he will get better because he is the type of player that down need!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 23, 2008, 10:47:14 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on January 22, 2008, 11:11:50 PM
. Cathal Magee was much improved tonight, that will keep Bridgelad happy and off my back.


5IVE times, i wasnt aiming that at you, there were alot of folks on sunday evening saying Magee was not good enough including a clubmate. I think he showed last night that he can be good enough, yes he wasn't involved in everything but did score three great points from play and set up the goal! As ToHare says he's a confidence player give him time and dont knock him yet!

As for the game McGovern and McArdle were good again especially McGovern who was marking Jason Reilly and made him look ordinary,
Doyle was brilliant again, such a calming influence int he backline and always available as an outlet! Dont think Darren OHanlon is cut out for county football! I'l just not mention the midfield! The six forwards were all very good, Fegan, Hughes and Sexton got through a lot of work and McKernan, Magee and clarke scored some fine classy points some from far out the field!

ROLL ON SAT!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on January 23, 2008, 11:03:12 AM
Quote from: passedit on January 22, 2008, 10:44:21 PM
Don't worry Arma's own WW Uladh will be along in a minute to put everyone back in their box.  :)

A man of your experience doesn't need to reminded of the harsh realities P!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 23, 2008, 12:29:19 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 22, 2008, 09:40:48 PM
I really hope they don't make us trek all the f**king way over to Omagh.

You will be another one on the bandwagon then.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on January 23, 2008, 12:43:12 PM
i think mcgovern has shown alot of proise in the mckenna cup, but i think it just goes to show that these players who are givena chance, show the hunger and desire that is needed! mcardle also looks like a good defender in the making!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 23, 2008, 01:21:46 PM
It is absolutely great that we have managed three wins in just over a week and at last some pride has been restored in the jersey. However, in my opinion the big plus lies in the fact that there are so many talented players to come in. The boys who are starting now wont want to give up their places easily which means that those who venture in will have to work harder to stake their claim. Thus obviously making the squad stronger as a whole. Something which has been lacking for a good while.
Also, strangely enough Damien Turley and Packie Downey are both members of the Down Senior team yet both arent on the U-21 panel. Infact looking at that panel nearly half of the 2005 Minor squad failed to make it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 23, 2008, 02:11:07 PM
Quote from: Uladh on January 23, 2008, 11:03:12 AM
Quote from: passedit on January 22, 2008, 10:44:21 PM
Don't worry Arma's own WW Uladh will be along in a minute to put everyone back in their box.  :)

A man of your experience doesn't need to reminded of the harsh realities P!

Indeed Uladh and it is the attitude of some of the more senior members of the current squad which as turned a natural optimist like me into a pessimist. However, I am also old  enough to remember how quickly things can change with an injection of new blood. If this mini revival does nothing else than jolt a few people out of their comfort zone then it's definitely a good thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 23, 2008, 04:44:09 PM
what time is the final ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on January 23, 2008, 09:35:30 PM
Quote from: Cloc Mor on December 22, 2007, 09:52:57 PM

Secondly, Liam Doyle peaked when he was 18 years of age.  He has done nothing since.  He is totally overrated and to put him at CHB would be a major mistake.  Based on his performances in the red and black, he doesn't deserve a place on the team.  Surely if he was fit, and stayed of the sauce, he would be an addition to the team.  He has been a passenger and was picked because of his reputation and potential.  Not good enough

Cloc Mor ,a bit of baiting here - anything more to add to this astute observation ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 23, 2008, 09:35:57 PM
Having long insisted that this team plays better without Benny Coulter, i feel i am being vindicated, Benny is a good footballer, not a great one as some on here seems to think, who presence is detrimental to the team. His return will bring an end to the expressive, flowing football , with forwards willing to take on responsibility and go for their scores. Mark my words
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 23, 2008, 09:42:30 PM
your right pangurban coulter is the sole reason down have been so bad this past while!!!  catch a grip man!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 23, 2008, 09:48:30 PM
I never said he was the sole reason, but his presence and influence was certainly a contributory factor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 23, 2008, 10:01:13 PM
A sound,sensible suggestion Fivetimes, with the proviso that he would not automatically be guranteed his place on his return.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 23, 2008, 10:23:09 PM
Probably, but his stand-in during your suggested rest and recuperation period, has to have some incentive to perform. Also the overall team performance will always outweigh Bennys individual performance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 23, 2008, 10:33:49 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 23, 2008, 10:23:09 PM
but his stand-in during your suggested rest and recuperation period, has to have some incentive to perform.

Are you not contradicting yourself?  What was the teams incentive to perform this past week?  Are you suggesting that they only performed because Benny has been told that he is not guaranteed a place on the team?

However, I agree with both of you that there has been an over reliance in recent years, and that has not been good for the team as a whole.

Would either of you consider Benny's return as a midfield partner instead of the forwards, now that the forwards are looking in better shape?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 23, 2008, 10:36:39 PM
Quote from: Caitlin on January 23, 2008, 09:35:30 PM
Quote from: Cloc Mor on December 22, 2007, 09:52:57 PM

Secondly, Liam Doyle peaked when he was 18 years of age.  He has done nothing since.  He is totally overrated and to put him at CHB would be a major mistake.  Based on his performances in the red and black, he doesn't deserve a place on the team.  Surely if he was fit, and stayed of the sauce, he would be an addition to the team.  He has been a passenger and was picked because of his reputation and potential.  Not good enough
Cloc Mor ,a bit of baiting here - anything more to add to this astute observation ?


Great work Caitlin !!  Keep us all honest !!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lisdoon1 on January 23, 2008, 10:42:53 PM
Quote from: Caitlin on January 23, 2008, 09:35:30 PM
Quote from: Cloc Mor on December 22, 2007, 09:52:57 PM

Secondly, Liam Doyle peaked when he was 18 years of age.  He has done nothing since.  He is totally overrated and to put him at CHB would be a major mistake.  Based on his performances in the red and black, he doesn't deserve a place on the team.  Surely if he was fit, and stayed of the sauce, he would be an addition to the team.  He has been a passenger and was picked because of his reputation and potential.  Not good enough

Cloc Mor ,a bit of baiting here - anything more to add to this astute observation ?


Well spotted, Doyle has been calm & commanding in the past two games making very encouraging bursts from the half back line.

John Clarke was also brilliant on Tues Night.....

But lets all pinch ourselves here, it is the Mckenna Cup and we as well as all other teams are not at full power.

Win or loose agains derry on Saturday we have enjoyed a nice taste of good flowing football.

Ross ca sit back now & look at the negatives & build on the Positives. Benny would be interesting at Midfield, we wont know until we try!

Any word on what was up with Dan Gordon On tues??

Will he be fit for Saturday??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 23, 2008, 10:51:57 PM
Benny at midfield with Dan at FF, might be the solution to the forwards lack of self confidence, and over-reliance on Benny. Its certainly worth a try
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 23, 2008, 11:30:42 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on January 23, 2008, 10:58:35 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 23, 2008, 10:51:57 PM
Benny at midfield with Dan at FF, might be the solution to the forwards lack of self confidence, and over-reliance on Benny. Its certainly worth a try

I have always said that Dan Gordon is a Full Forward and not a midfielder. He only has to win a couple of balls at full forward to beat Tyrone.

Aye, was always a dangerous player at full forward..Would prefer to see him there, but the lack of ball winning midfielders within the squad would suggest big Dan is destined for a more withdrawn role this year again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on January 23, 2008, 11:42:27 PM
I think that the management team need to forget about Michael Walsh being part of the team lining out on 8th June, the whole county has been waiting for close to a decade for him to show off his much talked about talent on the inter-county scene, but time & time again we are left scratching our heads as to what seems to be his latest tale of woe.Now is the time to forget about the primadonna's & concentrate on the squad available & willing to bust their balls, & hopefully they can restore the pride in our county team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lisdoon1 on January 24, 2008, 12:13:54 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on January 23, 2008, 11:42:27 PM
I think that the management team need to forget about Michael Walsh being part of the team lining out on 8th June, the whole county has been waiting for close to a decade for him to show off his much talked about talent on the inter-county scene, but time & time again we are left scratching our heads as to what seems to be his latest tale of woe.Now is the time to forget about the primadonna's & concentrate on the squad available & willing to bust their balls, & hopefully they can restore the pride in our county team.

I wouldnt single out walsh. The lad in in London doing his exams so he cannot commit for a very good reason. Walsh has been unlucky with injury, i thought he had a good game in cavan last year.

As a small county we cannot let a few wins go to the head and declare what players we want. We need every player available, and we also need to make sure that there is an open door to those who are unavailable or who are willing to bust their balls.

Closing the door is not a position we are in, maybe in the Kingdom of Kerry where you have a ream of talent coming through, but not in down.

Unless you know a few Mickey walshes who are heading for the panel ??

We ahve all been waiting for waslh / doyle & co to deliver since their minor success. Two things (only my opinion)

1. Winning an all ireland medal at minor level does not mean the same bunch of lasd will win a senior medal in x years time, it does not even mean that they themselves will make it to the top level & we in down have seen that.

look at the St Colmans team that won the Hogan cup in 1998 (their last I think?)

How many players who achieved all ireland glorey went on to play at the top level in down football? Liam Doyle.....

Om Im ranting a little, but my point is yes we have won all ireland minors in recent years, this does not equal automatic gains in senior quarters in a few years time.

Why? I think because these lads lack guidance. With Wee pete & Paddy unable to take advantage of our young players coming through maybe Ross will & maybe things will change.....


Another unrelated point, Michael McAllister didnt have a bad game for UUJ last wednesday night, anyone see him on the Panel for NFL??

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 24, 2008, 01:38:28 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 23, 2008, 09:35:57 PM
Having long insisted that this team plays better without Benny Coulter, i feel i am being vindicated, Benny is a good footballer, not a great one as some on here seems to think, who presence is detrimental to the team. His return will bring an end to the expressive, flowing football , with forwards willing to take on responsibility and go for their scores. Mark my words

100% Pangurban. You are right and they are wrong. It's a combination of human nature taking the easiest route and the easiest route not being a real leader in the mould of Blaney, Mc Cartan or DJ or even a real leader lite like Mc Geeney, Mc Grane or Marsden. Not really his fault (he wasn't born to be a leader) nor that of the other false prophet doyle but as it stands this team will be better without him and, until i see a fit committed no 6, the other boy either. Time will tell, but all this shite about every team in ireland wanting someone who, lets face it,  has won fcuk all, is just that, shite.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 24, 2008, 02:08:59 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 23, 2008, 09:35:57 PM
Having long insisted that this team plays better without Benny Coulter, i feel i am being vindicated, Benny is a good footballer, not a great one as some on here seems to think, who presence is detrimental to the team. His return will bring an end to the expressive, flowing football , with forwards willing to take on responsibility and go for their scores. Mark my words

Pangurban, if you watch enough football you will realise that Benny Coulter is not only a great player but one of the best and most exciting players this county has ever produced..
yes we are playing well at the minute but i can only imagine that a player of his stature and ablity should lift a team, enhance it and put fear into the opposition..

Ps... my father has watched football since the 50's and seen Irelands best, i asked him who was the best he has seen in his life, he never gave me a final answer but he said that Benny is in his top five!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 24, 2008, 05:10:14 AM
I also have been watching football from the 1950s. While i agree that Benny has the potential to be a great footballer, he still has some way to go.  I would not place him among the top twenty of the best i have seen, indeed i would not place him in the top twenty within the County over the past fifty years, but he is young and may yet emerge as one of our greats. Best i have ever seen Sean Purcell, ask your father about him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Guillem2 on January 24, 2008, 08:53:05 AM
Benny is good but over rated - especially in Down. He's not a team player and tries to win the game on his own. Maybe better managers could come up with a better game plan that makes best use of his talent?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 24, 2008, 09:54:37 AM
I can't believe some of the comments on here today.  I find it hard to understand that Down supporters can attribute Down's mini revival to the absence of Benny Coulter.  Or the old "one time against Kildare Down played better when he went off" crap.  Maybe the players upped their game to try and win the match for Benny.   
If the rest of the Down team can keep their performances at this level we will see the best of Benny Coulter this year.  For too long he hasn't had the support from enough quality players around him, he's spent so long starved of possession.  On other occasions he has been double or triple marked and garryowens landing in on top of him.  He's good but not that good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 24, 2008, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: amallon on January 24, 2008, 09:54:37 AM
I can't believe some of the comments on here today.  I find it hard to understand that Down supporters can attribute Down's mini revival to the absence of Benny Coulter.  Or the old "one time against Kildare Down played better when he went off" crap.  Maybe the players upped their game to try and win the match for Benny.   
If the rest of the Down team can keep their performances at this level we will see the best of Benny Coulter this year.  For too long he hasn't had the support from enough quality players around him, he's spent so long starved of possession.  On other occasions he has been double or triple marked and garryowens landing in on top of him.  He's good but not that good.


100% - Down need Benny on the pitch, a pure class act.

Ross (or DJ) better not meet McHugh in the near future going by todays Irish News - and Ross is obviously very happy with his squad at the moment and rightly backs them to the hilt - McHugh is a real asshole anyway...
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 24, 2008, 11:18:06 AM
I said earlier in this thread that "Its only the fcukin McKenna Cup" and now some people on here are talking about the absence of our best player being the reason for a couple of good results agianst a bunch of students and a couple of reserve teams and they are talking about doing without him....for fcuk sake lads wise up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 24, 2008, 11:54:00 AM

Correct !   I remember people saying in the late Eighties that Greg Blaney was overrated, try to win on his own,..... blah blah, etc, etc....    All the exact same things that are being presented on this tread this morning re Benny Coulter.  Deja vu or what?

With right support he has the potential to show his true worth. And therefore must NOT be discarded like some are suggesting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 24, 2008, 11:57:39 AM
Quote from: amallon on January 24, 2008, 09:54:37 AM
I can't believe some of the comments on here today.  I find it hard to understand that Down supporters can attribute Down's mini revival to the absence of Benny Coulter.  Or the old "one time against Kildare Down played better when he went off" crap.  Maybe the players upped their game to try and win the match for Benny.   
If the rest of the Down team can keep their performances at this level we will see the best of Benny Coulter this year.  For too long he hasn't had the support from enough quality players around him, he's spent so long starved of possession.  On other occasions he has been double or triple marked and garryowens landing in on top of him.  He's good but not that good.


Another valid reason.  And another reason for those around him to up their game if the team are to threaten.  That tactic had become too predictable in recent times, and our opponents have been wise to it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 24, 2008, 12:01:21 PM
QuoteI said earlier in this thread that "Its only the fcukin McKenna Cup" and now some people on here are talking about the absence of our best player being the reason for a couple of good results agianst a bunch of students and a couple of reserve teams and they are talking about doing without him....for fcuk sake lads wise up.

At last, someone in touch with reality.  

It's great to see us heading in the right direction but some of the stuff posted on the last couple of pages is unreal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 24, 2008, 12:55:25 PM

My estimation of Ross has gone up after reading that article.  Keep up the good work Ross!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on January 24, 2008, 01:00:05 PM
Last page of argument about Coulter is frankly ridiculous. Anybody who argues the team is better without him is on another planet. The only issue I see with Coulter is that he suffers from the same problem that John Clarke has been made to suffer up intil this year. That is, he is being forced to play out of position. Full forward is fair enough on the odd occasion, but he would do the same scoring damage from further out the field and would be much more involved.

With regards McHugh's rant. Much rather be from a county that is down in the dumps for a time, but with a proud history, than a county who is second only to Mayo for displaying an inherent ability to choke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on January 24, 2008, 01:02:29 PM
i am not a Down man, far from it, but Martin McHugh is making a real dick of himself and it looks like he does not have a clue what he is talking about!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 24, 2008, 01:16:01 PM
Lads, let's be fair. Nobody was saying anything any different when McHugh made those comments, i.e. after the Tyrone McKenna Cup game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 24, 2008, 01:27:14 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on January 24, 2008, 12:42:47 PM
From todays Irish News...

.....

Yesterday, McHugh reiterated his stance. He said: "The game is all about opinions. I was very disappointed with Down against a Tyrone third string. They also beat UUJ and Donegal shadow sides. I don't like what I see in Down and I believe they have gone backwards."

.....


But he is still saying it! 

If there is one thing that we all agree on it is that, over the last 3 games the Down players have shown a hunger and commitment for the team and the cause.  Ross is correct. Is is wrong to continue to verbally bash them under those circumstances. Regardless of abiltiy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 24, 2008, 01:47:31 PM
QuoteYesterday, McHugh reiterated his stance. He said: "The game is all about opinions. I was very disappointed with Down against a Tyrone third string. They also beat UUJ and Donegal shadow sides. I don't like what I see in Down and I believe they have gone backwards."
Sorry, I missed that bit!

Have to disagree with McHugh now. If Doyle, Rogers and Rafferty are all fit and available this season, Down can only be a better team for it. Throw in McComiskey coming of age and that's a third of a new team - all improvements - even before new blood like McArdle, McGovern and Howard. Add to the mix a couple of players actually lining out in their natural positions, which is looking increasingly more like happening, and we're even closer again. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 24, 2008, 01:52:19 PM

Quote from: 5iveTimes on January 24, 2008, 12:42:47 PM
From todays Irish News...

.....

Yesterday, McHugh reiterated his stance. He said: "The game is all about opinions. I was very disappointed with Down against a Tyrone third string. They also beat UUJ and Donegal shadow sides. I don't like what I see in Down and I believe they have gone backwards."

.....


Besides what is 'backwards' anyway?  Can you define it Martin? 
Is is something like this...?

Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 19, 2008, 09:59:08 PM
.....
Before last Wednesday, Down had won a single game in the previous 20 months. We have now managed two in three days, with another home match at Fortress Esler to come on Tuesday.

Make that 3 in a week Mourne Rover !

If that is 'backwards' Martin, 'forward' is obviously the wrong direction  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lisdoon1 on January 24, 2008, 02:01:48 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on January 24, 2008, 01:00:05 PM
Last page of argument about Coulter is frankly ridiculous. Anybody who argues the team is better without him is on another planet. The only issue I see with Coulter is that he suffers from the same problem that John Clarke has been made to suffer up intil this year. That is, he is being forced to play out of position. Full forward is fair enough on the odd occasion, but he would do the same scoring damage from further out the field and would be much more involved.

With regards McHugh's rant. Much rather be from a county that is down in the dumps for a time, but with a proud history, than a county who is second only to Mayo for displaying an inherent ability to choke.

Another planet?? More like "KNOWS FOOK ALL ABOUT FOOTBALL"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 24, 2008, 02:05:15 PM
lads i hope Ross's comments dont come back to haunt him... pundits love people talking about them.. i mean, lots of peple hate Dunphy, but everyone seems to turn into him to see what he is saying.. this will be water of a ducks back for Martin...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 24, 2008, 03:23:31 PM

It will of course. Martin McHugh is canny enough to know that no malice was meant by Ross' comments. And he will also recognise that he forced Ross into making a stand.  A good manager needs to keep his team positive and focused with moral high.  His job is made harder when the media bandwagon publish the opposite sermon to that which he preaches to his team.  (the players read papers, and watch TV too you know!) .  So he had to nip negativity in the bud before it spread like wildfire through the land.  Congratulations to Ross on doing just that.  And I am sure, upon reflection, Martin will realise that too.   8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on January 24, 2008, 03:30:58 PM
Quote from: western exile on January 24, 2008, 03:23:31 PM

It will of course. Martin McHugh is canny enough to know that no malice was meant by Ross' comments. And he will also recognise that he forced Ross into making a stand.  A good manager needs to keep his team positive and focused with moral high.  His job is made harder when the media bandwagon publish the opposite sermon to that which he preaches to his team.  (the players read papers, and watch TV too you know!) .  So he had to nip negativity in the bud before it spread like wildfire through the land.  Congratulations to Ross on doing just that.  And I am sure, upon reflection, Martin will realise that too.   8)

Thanks for clarifying that Western aka Ross  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 24, 2008, 03:35:06 PM
 ;D ;D ;D  I am not worthy to lace the man's boots!   8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on January 24, 2008, 04:06:26 PM
benny is lethal and is the best forward in down. he is the one who you fear when he gets the ball and was the difference in the championship final. he is the difference between mayobridge and the rest of the teams in division 1. at county level he has been superb. last year was not his best year but his high standards cant be reached on every occassion. for ireland he is class and anybody suggesting the team is better without him doesn't know whether a football is blew up or stuffed! idiots
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on January 24, 2008, 04:45:05 PM
Benny Coulter is downs best player and has too many to count important scores with Down and Mayobridge over the years, If Benny plays well and the others round him don't that is not his fault.  It is up to the other players to step up to the mark and take responsibility with or without Benny on the team, not kick the ball to Benny and then stand back and wait.  Could be interesting playing John Clarke in full forward and Benny in the corner, it could give Benny more freedom to take a man on like Mickey Linden before him instead of always having to be the target man and play with his back to goal.

With regard to Martin McHugh he is just another Dunphy, always trying to be controversial.  He has been saying for the last 3 years how over-rated Kerry are.  Eventually someone will beat them and he will claim to be right all along.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 24, 2008, 05:24:49 PM
PANGURBAN  -   I dont think your wise mate, to come out with a statement like that about Benny Coulter is pure madness! You obviously dont know much about football. How could Down be better without benny, do you not remember his goal against Tyrone in the ulster final, all his scores infact playing for Down, as amallon says he hasn't had anyone to play with this last 7/8 years!
Just remember its still only MCKENNA CUP stop getting carried away, we'll see how we get on against Derry or sligo in the national league before judging the new lads. We'll just wait and see how long benny stays on the bench, he's by far the best footballer in Down never mind Ulster so sort yourself out!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 24, 2008, 05:28:10 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on January 24, 2008, 04:45:05 PM
Could be interesting playing John Clarke in full forward and Benny in the corner, it could give Benny more freedom to take a man on like Mickey Linden before him instead of always having to be the target man and play with his back to goal.



Benny would be better as a third midfielder let him roam where ever he wants he'd be unstoppable!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 24, 2008, 07:59:18 PM
have been watching football a long time and for anyone to say a  team is better without Benny coulter or a player like him does not no what they are on about Benny would have got on any off downs all ireland wining teams fact. hopefully this is the year where the players around him can step up to the plate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 24, 2008, 08:19:42 PM
Its not Bennys ability that is the issue here, it is his role on the team. Playing him at FF. has weakened the team performance, made us tactical one trick ponies. I reassert that the overall team performances on the occasions when Benny has not been playing, have  been better. I never suggested dropping him, merely pointed to a blindingly obvious problem with his present deployment. One can point to individual goals, but the truth is his overall scoring ratio is low. Not his fault, due to heavy marking, poor and usually inappropiate supply. Over the past week we have witnessed some wonderful scores, taking from distance. Had Benny been on the edge of the square, his colleagues would have been dropping those Balls in wastefully on top of him, as we have seen so often last season. Unless radical changes are made, time will prove me right, and we could find ourselves playing in the Tommy Murphy Cup. We certainly dont belong there. To address the question of Bennys individual talent. Undoubtedly enormous talent and potential as yet unfulfilled. To place him among the top twenty in the Country over the last few years is just plain silly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 24, 2008, 08:53:36 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 24, 2008, 08:19:42 PM
Its not Bennys ability that is the issue here, it is his role on the team. Playing him at FF. has weakened the team performance, made us tactical one trick ponies. I reassert that the overall team performances on the occasions when Benny has not been playing, have  been better. I never suggested dropping him, merely pointed to a blindingly obvious problem with his present deployment. One can point to individual goals, but the truth is his overall scoring ratio is low. Not his fault, due to heavy marking, poor and usually inappropiate supply. Over the past week we have witnessed some wonderful scores, taking from distance. Had Benny been on the edge of the square, his colleagues would have been dropping those Balls in wastefully on top of him, as we have seen so often last season. Unless radical changes are made, time will prove me right, and we could find ourselves playing in the Tommy Murphy Cup. We certainly dont belong there. To address the question of Bennys individual talent. Undoubtedly enormous talent and potential as yet unfulfilled. To place him among the top twenty in the Country over the last few years is just plain silly.

Really ?

But you did say things like....

Quote from: Pangurban on January 23, 2008, 09:35:57 PM
... Benny is a good footballer, not a great one as some on here seems to think, who presence is detrimental to the team. His return will bring an end to the expressive, flowing football ....

Quote from: Pangurban on January 23, 2008, 10:01:13 PM
... with the proviso that he would not automatically be guranteed his place on his return.

Quote from: Pangurban on January 23, 2008, 09:48:30 PM
... but his presence and influence was certainly a contributory factor

Will you accept that the tactic of depending on Benny Coulter for scores was a bad game plan?   
And that Benny Coulter is not, and has never been part of the managament or couching staff of the county team, and therefore should not be shouldering the blame for a flawed game plan?
And that he is indeed a good enough player to consistently make the first 15 when fit?


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 24, 2008, 09:12:16 PM
I stand over all my quotes used in your post, and agree with your last three assertions, But that still leaves us with the original problem, how to use Benny in a way that does impact badly on overall team performances, if we dont solve that connumdrum then we are better playing without him, not that this would be a desirable option. We must get him out of the FF line, where he is to easy a target for the easy option
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 24, 2008, 09:19:12 PM
as was said on here before Benny played midfield for the minors in 99 and scored at least a goal in every round it proves he can still score from midfield as this is also a problem position for us think he should get a run in the league there see what happens if not number 12 but he has got to be in the team end off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on January 24, 2008, 09:31:11 PM
If Benny is played further out the field ie at number 12 or at MF he will be harder to mark than if he is standing on the edge of the square.  I would imagine that his runs from deep would cause havoc in opposition defences.  He would definitely be much harder to mark.

IMHO put Clarke at FF to act as a target man to feed off while also taking a few scores, Mc Comiskey and Hughes/Sexton/Murtagh in the other corner.  Couple this with Benny's runs from deep and I think you are talking about a formidable attack.  Also there are options now for the number 11 shirt with McKernan and Walsh.  Could Murtagh do a job at number 11?

Anyone doubting Coulter is nuts.  Look at this years county final, came on near the end and scored a goal and a point - game over, he was the difference.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 24, 2008, 09:44:24 PM
A few years ago I was in the move-Benny-out-the-field camp, but I certainly wouldn't be anymore. When you think about it, Benny's greatest gifts as a footballer are his hangtime, his ability to turn, his balance, and his finishing ability in front of goals. Or in short, he is a goal machine, and it only makes sense to play him as close to the posts as possible.

As for playing him out the field - let's be honest, Coulter is a player who does his best work on the ball, and not off it. He's not a grafter. He's not a "give and go" type. He's not a breaking-ball specialist, and he's not going to outcatch 6' 4" battle-hardened county midfielders too often. He's not a wing-forward. Wing-forwards are players who are used to not being the central attraction. He would either drift inside on top of the 11, or find himself lost on the wing. The only place I could see him out the field is at 11, and the only way to play him at 11 is to get him running onto the ball at speed, and offer your full-forward line instructions to take their markers away from the middle once Coulter takes off. You know though, this wouldn't help our one-team syndrome one iota.

Coulter is phenomenal full-forward and we should be looking to build a team around that talent. But, Benny has to play his part here as well. In the coming season, I hope to see more dummy runs from him. I hope to see him go up occasionally to break the ball down to his full-forward partners rather than trying the spectacular everytime. I hope McComiskey plays alongside him and makes it very clear to him that he doesn't cut off his runs, no matter how much seniority he has.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 24, 2008, 09:58:33 PM
thewobbler you say coulter is a player who does his best work on the ball then midfield or half forward it has to be how many times over this last 3 or 4 years have we watched benny stand on the edge of the square and the ball not come in you also say he is not going to out catch 6"4" battle hardened midfielders  i think he would catch more than any other midfielder down have at the minute i have watched the last 3 games down have played and i would say between them they would not have caught 7 balls for me he has to be out the field
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lisdoon1 on January 24, 2008, 10:05:03 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 24, 2008, 08:19:42 PM
To place him among the top twenty in the Country over the last few years is just plain silly.

Pangurban

Did santa bring you a glass stomach for christmas??

I hope so beacuse your head is firmly up your ass and the glass stomach will help you see where you are going.

So let me see, those who picked him for the International Rules (ireland Elite players) are just plain silly people.

I cant wait to you become the county manager, you seem to know so much, in fact, lets take a vote now to get rid of Ross and install Pangurban, the man with all the answers.....

Benny is in my top 10 players on this Island

All my own opinion of course...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 24, 2008, 10:07:06 PM
In terms of ability, Coulter is in the top 10 in Ireland, without doubt.

In terms of what he has produced in Championship football for his county, nowhere near it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 24, 2008, 10:16:11 PM
You are entitled too your opinion lisdoon, i just hope you never have to defend it in any intelligent company, you will make a laughing stock of yourself
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 24, 2008, 10:21:29 PM

calm down lads!  we will be going around in circles .

Wobbler, there is doubt in Benny's goal scoring ability. And  I agree with you that Benny's greatest gift as a footballer is his hang-time.  But all the best footballers in Ireland with this same gift are applying it closer to the middle of the field than the goal. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 24, 2008, 10:30:49 PM
QuoteBut all the best footballers in Ireland with this same gift are applying it closer to the middle of the field than the goal.

But they aren't. The only player I can think of with his hangtime is Kieran Donaghy, who plays FF.

Midfielders don't need hangtime, they need height and timing. Most of them just break the ball anyway...and it's kind of pointless to hang in the air for 2 seconds to slap the ball onto the ground. Hangtime is more useful in a full-forward than a midfielder because once he is up, it encourages the full-back to with him. If he outhangs the full-back, he has a clean catch close to goal. If a midfielder's opponent goes up too early, one of his teammates will be coming through the side door and one of them will be sitting at the front door anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lisdoon1 on January 24, 2008, 11:15:31 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 24, 2008, 10:16:11 PM
You are entitled too your opinion lisdoon, i just hope you never have to defend it in any intelligent company, you will make a laughing stock of yourself

Any why would that be?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 24, 2008, 11:46:54 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2008, 10:30:49 PM
Midfielders don't need hangtime, they need height and timing....

Are you referring to the way the modern game is played?   Because former players, with much better hangtime than Benny, like Mayo greats Wille Joe Padden and Liam McHale were seldom played on the edge of the goal square. Cormac McAnallen RIP also had great hangtime.

Do you mean that there is no longer a need to have a player with that skill to play a more central role because of the way we play the game these days?
Personally, I think a team that reintroduces that skill in the middle of the pairc will add a breath of fresh air to modern football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 24, 2008, 11:55:39 PM
Benny will remain only potentially a great player until he is involved in a senior championship match at Croke Park. A Down player who has never performed at HQ (apart from minor and international rules) cannot be compared to the legends of the past. To put it in some sort of context, I believe that Armagh have played 19 championship games at Croke Park since 1999. I am pretty sure that Benny will be electric when he get his chance at the highest level, but I would also have to say that, apart from the two Cavan games, he was not at his best last summer. He is now 27, which is around the same age that Greg and Mickey, after years of knocking on the door in a senior jersey, finally made their breakthrough. I hope he comes off the bench to terrify Derry on Saturday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 25, 2008, 12:07:29 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 24, 2008, 11:55:39 PM
He is now 27, which is around the same age that Greg and Mickey, after years of knocking on the door in a senior jersey, finally made their breakthrough.

Has to be one of the stupidest statements ever posted on here. Greg and Mickey were great players before they ever won an All Ireland SFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on January 25, 2008, 12:17:01 AM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 25, 2008, 12:21:14 AM
Lecale2, you must be just back from the Parador if you missed the reference to `in a senior jersey.' You are obviously right to say that Greg and Mickey were great talents before the 1991 AI, but, if you ask them, I'm fairly sure they would say that their first Celtic Cross marked their breakthrough at the highest level. Mickey in particular is on record as accepting that he did not do himself justice for Down until he was in his late 20s. Would Greg swap his two All Irelands for his under-age and NFL medals ? It's about as likely as him pulling out of a tackle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: StoneCowboy on January 25, 2008, 12:37:41 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 24, 2008, 11:55:39 PM
He is now 27, which is around the same age that Greg and Mickey, after years of knocking on the door in a senior jersey, finally made their breakthrough. I hope he comes off the bench to terrify Derry on Saturday night.

Minor detail but Bennys actually only 25, its just hes been around for a while, so hopefully he will still have time to get to HQ and show his talents on the national stage.
Title: All County Football Leagues
Post by: No1 on January 25, 2008, 09:16:55 AM
Is it true the football leagues are starting on April 18th and running right through to October?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 25, 2008, 10:08:30 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 25, 2008, 12:07:29 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 24, 2008, 11:55:39 PM
He is now 27, which is around the same age that Greg and Mickey, after years of knocking on the door in a senior jersey, finally made their breakthrough.

Has to be one of the stupidest statements ever posted on here. Greg and Mickey were great players before they ever won an All Ireland SFC.

On the ball Mourne Rover.
Blaney was a superstar from age 16 - man of the match at that age in an AI U21 final at Croke, Sigerson cup inspiration for QUB, International Rules team at age 18, everything he touched turned to "win" and Mickey will be the first to acknowledge how his own game at county level developed and prospered with him. And in his later years after 91 the team was on the way to oblivion until Blaney led the charge again in 94. Ask Liam Harnon of Meath or Stehen O'Brien of Cork - they'll give you the definitive view on the best player they both said ever played against.
Title: Re: All County Football Leagues
Post by: stpauls on January 25, 2008, 11:16:41 AM
Quote from: No1 on January 25, 2008, 09:16:55 AM
Is it true the football leagues are starting on April 18th and running right through to October?

No1,

i have heard a rumour that Div 3 is starting on Easter Sunday, in fact i think it starts the week before.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 25, 2008, 11:28:44 AM
It would need to, sure isn't there 30 teams in it this year.

;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on January 25, 2008, 12:07:59 PM
i know, unfortunately not that good for us who will be training for the next god knows how many months!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 25, 2008, 01:10:59 PM

Over the last 3 wins nearly every player has been mentioned on this board, mostly with positive comments and some players receiving less positive  comments.
However, I don't remember any comments on the performance of Martin Cole.   What do posters, who have attended the games, think of his performance so far this year?


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: holylandsbomber on January 25, 2008, 02:38:51 PM
Down 2008 - Club Football Fixtures

I read today in the IN that the senior football season starts on Sunday 9th March for Div 3.

Apparently the fixtures were presented to the county board last night.

Does anybody on this thread have a copy they can post for the forth coming season please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 25, 2008, 02:40:06 PM
Thats a very good point western exile, i think he has been steady enough, he was shaky against Donegal but had good steady performance's against UUJ and Cavan. He's definitely a better option at corner back than McGuigan. I just dont see how the management rate McGuigan! He is good at breaking forward but lacks awareness and man marking in the defence. I just hope he proves me wrong! :-X :-X 8) 8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on January 25, 2008, 04:19:16 PM
i understand division 3 starts on 9th of march(due to the fact there are more teams) and all the rest start on sunday 23rd march. it was in matts chat in down recorder. i understand the fixtures are out but dont know who we play .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lisdoon1 on January 25, 2008, 04:27:11 PM
Anyone want to make a stabb at tomorrows starting line up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: holylandsbomber on January 25, 2008, 04:41:30 PM
Why dont u make a stab lisdoon ?????

1. B Connell

2. C McGovern
3. G McArdle
4. M Cole

5. R Murtagh
6. L Doyle
7. K McGuigan

8. D Gordan
9. J Lynch

10. J Fegan
11. K McKernan
12. D Hughes

13. J Clarke
14. C Magee
15. R Sexton
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lisdoon1 on January 25, 2008, 05:17:58 PM
No Doubt I'd get it wrong!!

Good line out, further to discussion regarding playing Dan Gordon in FF Id love to see it but we need someone who can catch crows in midfield!!!!!

Id stick with what you have holyland..... any relation to holyland sniper???? ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on January 25, 2008, 05:31:41 PM
According to Sean Rooney, division 3 starts on 9th March & division's 1 & 2 on the 18th April.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 25, 2008, 10:14:13 PM
You would think that if one was travelling from Ballyholland to Burren for county training, one would arrive on time. Apparently not. He won't be doing that again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 25, 2008, 11:35:59 PM
Martin Cole has been our best defender of the last five seasons, although that is not saying much. When Alan Molloy retired, Cole almost became our only defender. Luckily, a few more are starting to emerge.  While he can play almost anywhere at the back, he is probably most at home in the corner. He has been as reliable as ever during the McKenna Cup.

I'm sure someone can give us Benny's date of birth. His last year as a minor was 2000, so he must have been born in 1982. He should therefore be 26 coming 27, unless someone knows better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on January 26, 2008, 01:53:16 PM
yeah a minor in 2000 so that would mean he is 25 now coming 26 between now and end of june unless he was born in earlier part of january which would make him 26.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lisdoon1 on January 26, 2008, 02:21:52 PM
Born 7-6-82. He will be 26 next birthday
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 26, 2008, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on January 25, 2008, 10:14:13 PM
You would think that if one was travelling from Ballyholland to Burren for county training, one would arrive on time. Apparently not. He won't be doing that again.


Tell us more Sam ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 26, 2008, 03:39:24 PM
any one going for a pint before the game were would you reccommend round casement
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 26, 2008, 03:42:54 PM
is there a bar in the ground?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on January 27, 2008, 12:43:32 AM
first match i managed 2 see this season and ive got to say i was very impressed. Every player appeared entirely comfortable with, and aware of, their role in the team. danny hughes was immense in my opinion and was a great asset in taking the game to derry. Gary McArdle at full back looks a big plus and doyler seems natural at centre-half. forwards harried and hassled and seemed to work so hard. the work rate of sexton and fegan in particular i thought was phonomenal.

Just looking at some of the posts on the general discussion mckenna cup thread, down are receiving credit from outside observers and that only goes to show that we do indeed have reason to me optimistic. ok down may not win ulster or an all ireland but theres no reason why the team cant shake off their inferirority complex and have a good go. need to start with div 3 and promotion a realistic target. its a delight to come on thiis board and see players being praised rather than knocked which has been the case for too long. these boys have shown they have pride in the jersey so lets applaud ross and dj for what's been done so far. With 4 of 7 league games at home lets all make an extra effort to go and make newry a place where the team looks forward to playing in. im not sure but i think a few games are down for sat nights which makes for a good atmosphere. heres to further improvement and a few more wins to give the whole county the lift it needs.

On another note, dundrumite on the other thread mentioned the need for a mark to be introduced, I completely agree. The skill of dan gordon in the air as he showed tonight deserved to be rewarded rather than punished.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on January 27, 2008, 03:04:04 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on January 26, 2008, 01:53:16 PM
yeah a minor in 2000 so that would mean he is 25 now coming 26 between now and end of june unless he was born in earlier part of january which would make him 26.




Classic stuff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maximus Marillius on January 27, 2008, 11:01:48 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on January 27, 2008, 12:43:32 AM
first match i managed 2 see this season and ive got to say i was very impressed. Every player appeared entirely comfortable with, and aware of, their role in the team. danny hughes was immense in my opinion and was a great asset in taking the game to derry. Gary McArdle at full back looks a big plus and doyler seems natural at centre-half. forwards harried and hassled and seemed to work so hard. the work rate of sexton and fegan in particular i thought was phonomenal.

Just looking at some of the posts on the general discussion mckenna cup thread, down are receiving credit from outside observers and that only goes to show that we do indeed have reason to me optimistic. ok down may not win ulster or an all ireland but theres no reason why the team cant shake off their inferirority complex and have a good go. need to start with div 3 and promotion a realistic target. its a delight to come on thiis board and see players being praised rather than knocked which has been the case for too long. these boys have shown they have pride in the jersey so lets applaud ross and dj for what's been done so far. With 4 of 7 league games at home lets all make an extra effort to go and make newry a place where the team looks forward to playing in. im not sure but i think a few games are down for sat nights which makes for a good atmosphere. heres to further improvement and a few more wins to give the whole county the lift it needs.

On another note, dundrumite on the other thread mentioned the need for a mark to be introduced, I completely agree. The skill of dan gordon in the air as he showed tonight deserved to be rewarded rather than punished.

As\far as I can see Gordon is of the few midfielders who cannot move when he hits the ground, he lands static explaining why he getting surroundd so often by the opposongb team. There are not many other midfielders get tied up after making a great catch, so i don't think we need to change the rules to help one player who lands statically instead of landing on the move,i.e. Fergal Doherty, I have never seen him being bottled up after a catch in my life time watching him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 27, 2008, 03:26:42 PM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on January 27, 2008, 11:01:48 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on January 27, 2008, 12:43:32 AM
first match i managed 2 see this season and ive got to say i was very impressed. Every player appeared entirely comfortable with, and aware of, their role in the team. danny hughes was immense in my opinion and was a great asset in taking the game to derry. Gary McArdle at full back looks a big plus and doyler seems natural at centre-half. forwards harried and hassled and seemed to work so hard. the work rate of sexton and fegan in particular i thought was phonomenal.

Just looking at some of the posts on the general discussion mckenna cup thread, down are receiving credit from outside observers and that only goes to show that we do indeed have reason to me optimistic. ok down may not win ulster or an all ireland but theres no reason why the team cant shake off their inferirority complex and have a good go. need to start with div 3 and promotion a realistic target. its a delight to come on thiis board and see players being praised rather than knocked which has been the case for too long. these boys have shown they have pride in the jersey so lets applaud ross and dj for what's been done so far. With 4 of 7 league games at home lets all make an extra effort to go and make newry a place where the team looks forward to playing in. im not sure but i think a few games are down for sat nights which makes for a good atmosphere. heres to further improvement and a few more wins to give the whole county the lift it needs.

On another note, dundrumite on the other thread mentioned the need for a mark to be introduced, I completely agree. The skill of dan gordon in the air as he showed tonight deserved to be rewarded rather than punished.

As\far as I can see Gordon is of the few midfielders who cannot move when he hits the ground, he lands static explaining why he getting surroundd so often by the opposongb team. There are not many other midfielders get tied up after making a great catch, so i don't think we need to change the rules to help one player who lands statically instead of landing on the move,i.e. Fergal Doherty, I have never seen him being bottled up after a catch in my life time watching him

I think your slightly off the mark (excuse the pun :D) here Max, It happens up and down the country at all levels off football where a player maks a catch, and upon landing either has his momentum halted by being pushed back or as you say gets surrounded by landing static. Either way one of the finer skills of gaelic football almost being punished. Added to this the introduction of a mark rule may see teams trying to concentrate on catching kickouts as opposed to stopping the opposition from catching. Just a suggestion I feel that may be worth a try.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Class of 99 on January 27, 2008, 06:05:12 PM

Dan caught some really good ball last night only to be swallowed up by three of four Derry players, I think on each occasion the ref had no choice but to blow up for a free against him. My question is where was his protection from his team mates? surely one or two in around the landing man would enable him to release the ball. Its a pity because high flelding is something that should be encouraged not punished.
On a more positive note Danny Hughe's fitness was scary last night, the best performance Ive seen from him in a long time.
We looked like scoring every time we went up the field. Should be good for confidence of everyone in the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 27, 2008, 07:54:54 PM

Quote from the Down man standing next to me on the terrace in Casement on Saturday night at half time he says,  "Down look good this year.  I wonder what they are like in the daylight!"   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 27, 2008, 09:43:42 PM
Quote from: Class of 99 on January 27, 2008, 06:05:12 PM

Dan caught some really good ball last night only to be swallowed up by three of four Derry players, I think on each occasion the ref had no choice but to blow up for a free against him. My question is where was his protection from his team mates? surely one or two in around the landing man would enable him to release the ball. Its a pity because high flelding is something that should be encouraged not punished.
On a more positive note Danny Hughe's fitness was scary last night, the best performance Ive seen from him in a long time.
We looked like scoring every time we went up the field. Should be good for confidence of everyone in the panel.

Disagree entirely about the referee being correct in these cases of a midfielder being pummelled to the ground. Watch it anytime and you will see a number of opponents physicaly attacking the man not the ball - against the rules my friends but referrees seem to have this perverse notion that they are making clever and brave decisions by blowing up for over-holding when infact they are ignoring the first foul.

On one point I do agree. This fantastic skill is being roughed up out of the game and I say it is  buried by bad refereeing. Why would any player continually subject himself to allowing his immense and beautiful high-fielding skill being blackguarded in this way. Watched TG4 today and with what little Irish I can understand Jarlath Burns was on the ball on this very point. supportive of Gordon and critical of referees failure to apply the proper rules in defence of one of the game's greatest skills.

A national debate needed on this .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 27, 2008, 09:51:02 PM
i am with Leo on this one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 27, 2008, 09:55:52 PM
Dan was fouled on virtually every occasion, Ref persisted in misinterpreting rule. Having said that, Dan contributed a little bit to his own misfortune. Superb though his fielding was, a lot of it was from a static position, leaving him with no momemtum to carry him clear. But refs. need to start penalising two, three and four man tackles. Its fine if they are just covering space, but as we witnessed last night it was too often a mob handed assault
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 27, 2008, 10:02:16 PM
Dan caught a couple of great balls against Monaghan in the championship last summer and was also blown up for overholding. It's something he may need to work on, but the important thing is that he is becoming an excellent fielder and all he really needs is some common sense from referees. I don't think Pat McEnaney would have penalised him last night.

While everyone did well against Derry, Gary McArdle's emergence has made a particularly big difference. Bradley did get 1-1 from play, but he usually scores a lot more than that, and McArdle made life very difficult for him. He is still learning, but he has pace and aggression and is capable of further improvement. Having a reliable full back, with a quality CHB like Doyle in front of him, will give our entire defence the confidence it has been lacking for several seasons.

The only puzzling aspect of the night was the substitution of John Clarke immediately after he scored a fine point and had generally looked the part. He didn't look too pleased, but very few people are going to argue with Ross at the moment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Silky on January 28, 2008, 09:14:15 AM
Leo is 100% right. Clarification on this very rule was issued to referees at a national refs training course on Saturday in Athlone. Mickey Hughes didn't attend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 28, 2008, 09:31:57 AM
The ref for the Down Cavan game had a better grasp of this situation although Dan Gordon wasnt playing that night and very little high catching on display as a result.

Great to see so many posters alive to this issue.
Title: Division Three Fixtures
Post by: stpauls on January 28, 2008, 09:54:38 AM
Round One
Glassdrumman      v      St John Bosco                  
Ardglass      v      Saul                  
Glenn      v      Tecconnaught                  
Bredagh      v      St Pauls                  
St Micheals      v      Drumaness                  
Mitchels      v      Drumgath                  
Bye      v      Carryduff                  

Round Two
Carryduff      v      Glassdrumman   
St John Bosco      v      Ardglass   
Saul      v      Glenn   
Tecconnaught      v      Bredagh   
St Pauls      v      St Micheals   
Drumaness      v      Mitchels   
Drumgath      v      Bye   

Round Three
St John Bosco      v      Carryduff   
Saul      v      Glassdrumman   
Tecconnaught      v      Ardglass   
St Pauls      v      Glenn   
Drumaness      v      Bredagh   
Drumgath      v      St Micheals   
Mitchels      v      Bye   

Round Four
Carryduff      v      Saul   
Glassdrumman      v      Tecconnaught   
Ardglass      v      St Pauls   
Glenn      v      Drumaness   
Bredagh      v      Drumgath   
St Micheals      v      Mitchels   
Bye      v      St John Bosco   


Round Five
Saul      v      St John Bosco   
Tecconnaught      v      Carryduff   
St Pauls      v      Glassdrumman   
Drumaness      v      Ardglass   
Drumgath      v      Glenn   
Mitchels      v      Bredagh   
St Micheals      v      Bye   


Round Six
St John Bosco      v      Tecconnaught   
Carryduff      v      St Pauls   
Glassdrumman      v      Drumaness   
Ardglass      v      Drumgath   
Glenn      v      Mitchels   
Bredagh      v      St Micheals   
Bye      v      Saul   


Round Seven
Tecconnaught      v      Saul   
Drumaness      v      Carryduff   
Mitchels      v      Ardglass   
Bredagh      v      Bye   
St Pauls      v      St John Bosco   
Drumgath      v      Glassdrumman   
St Micheals      v      Glenn   

Round   Eight
Saul      v      St Pauls   
St John Bosco      v      Drumaness   
Carryduff      v      Drumgath   
Glassdrumman      v      Mitchels   
Ardglass      v      St Micheals   
Glenn      v      Bredagh   
Bye      v      Tecconnaught   

Round  Nine
St Pauls      v      Tecconnaught   
Drumaness      v      Saul   
Drumgath      v      St John Bosco   
Mitchels      v      Carryduff   
St Micheals      v      Glassdrumman   
Bredagh      v      Ardglass   
Glenn      v      Bye   

Round  Ten
Tecconnaught      v      Drumaness   
Saul      v      Drumgath   
St John Bosco      v      Mitchels   
Carryduff      v      St Micheals   
Glassdrumman      v      Bredagh   
Ardglass      v      Glenn   
Bye      v      St Pauls   

Round  Eleven
Drumaness      v      St Pauls   
Drumgath      v      Tecconnaught   
Mitchels      v      Saul   
St Micheals      v      St John Bosco   
Bredagh      v      Carryduff   
Glenn      v      Glassdrumman   
Ardglass      v      Bye   


Round  Twelve
St Pauls      v      Drumgath   
Tecconnaught      v      Mitchels   
Saul      v      St Micheals   
St John Bosco      v      Bredagh   
Carryduff      v      Glenn   
Glassdrumman      v      Ardglass   
Bye      v      Drumaness   


Round Thirteen
Drumgath      v      Drumaness   
Mitchels      v      St Pauls   
St Micheals      v      Tecconnaught   
Bredagh      v      Saul   
Glenn      v      St John Bosco   
Ardglass      v      Carryduff   
Glassdrumman      v      Bye   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 28, 2008, 11:12:45 AM
Quote from: Leo on January 28, 2008, 09:31:57 AM
The ref for the Down Cavan game had a better grasp of this situation although Dan Gordon wasnt playing that night and very little high catching on display as a result.

Great to see so many posters alive to this issue.

I am adding my agreement with you here too.  It seems so obvious to fix, yet they cant see the wood for the trees!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 28, 2008, 11:24:44 AM
If anyone wants the fixture list PM me with your email address and I will send them on.

I was very impressed with the performance on Sat night again.  McArdle did well on Bradley, the ball played in for the goal was a top quality pass and caught him out a little.  Bradley was going to make no mistake from there.  I thought it was  a strange decision to bring John Clarke off he was going well.

I was impressed with the attitude of the Down players after the game, there wasn't a whole lot of celebrating and Dan's speech made all the right noises.

I'm expecting a decent crowd for Saturday night in Newry, 70% of the crowd in Belfast was Down people.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on January 28, 2008, 11:50:41 AM
A strong purposeful performance by Down on Saturday night, with everyone playing their part in a well organised and hard working team effort. Very encouraging stuff and the boys who have been given their chance have stood up to the challenge which means that their is real competition for places this year. Players that didn't feature in the McKenna cup include:
Dan McCartan
Luke Howard
Declan Rooney (last years captain)
Paul Murphy
Ambrose Rodgers
James Colgan
Micky Walsh
Aidan Carr
Stephen Kearney
John Boyle
Paul McComisky
Benny Coulter
Eoghan McCartan (prob still injured???)

With the exception of maybe two of these lads, most will have a real fight to get a place, and it's only that fight that'll get the best out of them. So although it's only January and the NFL hasn't even begun, things are still looking a lot better this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 28, 2008, 11:59:48 AM
First game of the season away tp St Pauls, any dates yet?

I have all the fixtures, if anyone wants a copy PM me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on January 28, 2008, 12:02:18 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 28, 2008, 11:59:48 AM
First game of the season away tp St Pauls, any dates yet?

I have all the fixtures, if anyone wants a copy PM me.

SB, we are away to you lot in the first match, and i have heard the 9th March as the starting date of Div 3 this year, with everyone else starting 2 weeks later.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 28, 2008, 12:08:20 PM
You could be looking at the biggest home national league crowd in quite a while in Newry on Saturday night given the recent performances, the visit of the Connacht champions, Saturday night under lights, no live TV coverage.....looking forward to it....



p.s. for all you boys looking for pints after the game on Saturday evening you could do worse than give the newly refurbished Harps club a shout.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on January 28, 2008, 02:04:42 PM
another player missing from that list- James mcgovern

(although he did feature in the cup-for jordanstown, i feel he is another player who will make the fight for places increase the new-found hunger down seem to be exuding)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 28, 2008, 02:15:39 PM
Division 2 Fixtures

Round One
Clann na Banna vAnnaclone   
Darragh CrossvKliclief   
Ballymartin      v      Downpatrick   
Shamrocks      v      Tullylish   
Atticall      v      Dundrum   
Warrenpoint      v      Bryansford   

Round  Two
Annaclone      v      Darragh Cross   
Kliclief      v      Clann na Banna   
Downpatrick      v      Shamrocks   
Tullylish      v      Ballymartin   
Dundrum      v      Warrenpoint   
Bryansford      v      Atticall   

Round Three         
Clann na Banna      v      Downpatrick   
Darragh Cross      v      Tullylish   
Shamrocks      v      Bryansford   
Ballymartin      v      Dundrum   
Atticall      v      Annaclone   
Warrenpoint      v      Kliclief   

Round Four
Annaclone      v      Ballymartin   
Kliclief      v      Shamrocks   
Downpatrick      v      Atticall   
Tullylish      v      Warrenpoint   
Dundrum      v      Clann na Banna   
Bryansford      v      Darragh Cross   

         
Round Five
Warrenpoint      v      Downpatrick   
Clann na Banna      v      Tullylish   
Darragh Cross      v      Dundrum   
Ballymartin      v      Bryansford   
Shamrocks      v      Annaclone   
Atticall      v      Kliclief   


Round Six
Annaclone      v      Warrenpoint   
Kliclief      v      Ballymartin   
Downpatrick      v      Darragh Cross   
Tullylish      v      Atticall   
Dundrum      v      Shamrocks   
Bryansford      v      Clann na Banna   





Round   Seven
Atticall      v      Shamrocks   
Ballymartin      v      Darragh Cross   
Clann na Banna      v      Warrenpoint   
Dundrum      v      Tullylish   
Downpatrick      v      Kliclief   
Annaclone      v      Bryansford   


Round   Eight
Darragh Cross      v      Atticall   
Bryansford      v      Downpatrick   
Kliclief      v      Dundrum   
Shamrocks      v      Clann na Banna   
Warrenpoint      v      Ballymartin   
Tullylish      v      Annaclone   


Round   Nine
Clann na Banna      v      Darragh Cross   
Atticall      v      Ballymartin   
Shamrocks      v      Warrenpoint   
Annaclone      v      Kliclief   
Downpatrick      v      Dundrum   
Tullylish      v      Bryansford   

Round Ten
Ballymartin      v      Clann na Banna   
Atticall      v      Warrenpoint   
Darragh Cross      v      Shamrocks   
Downpatrick      v      Annaclone   
Kliclief      v      Tullylish   
Dundrum      v      Bryansford    :P


Round Eleven
Warrenpoint      v      Darragh Cross   
Clann na Banna      v      Atticall   
Shamrocks      v      Ballymartin   
Bryansford      v      Kliclief   
Annaclone      v      Dundrum   
Tullylish      v      Downpatrick   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 28, 2008, 02:49:19 PM
Its very hard to look past the Ford for Div 2 this year.  They were one of toughest teams for the Bridge to deal with last year.  If they sort out whatever problems they have it should be a short stay for them.  I've heard them tipped as possible Senior championship contenders this season, but I think playing in the second division might take their edge away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 28, 2008, 03:01:35 PM
Who got yer player of the year ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 28, 2008, 03:06:47 PM
Bridge awards night

Senior-Benny Coulter
Most improved-Shane O'Hare
Seconds-Kevin Coulter
Thirds- Declan Duffy
Senior sportsman-Aidan Mallon
Clubman of year- michael toner
hall of fame- felix poland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 28, 2008, 03:16:55 PM
Quote from: amallon on January 28, 2008, 02:49:19 PM
Its very hard to look past the Ford for Div 2 this year.  They were one of toughest teams for the Bridge to deal with last year.  If they sort out whatever problems they have it should be a short stay for them.  I've heard them tipped as possible Senior championship contenders this season, but I think playing in the second division might take their edge away.

Totally agree with you. They have a fantastic setup throughout their club and with a horde of Ulster U-17 medal winners coming through they will have a squad that will be extremely competitive. Over the next few years I can see Bryansford making real progress towards toppling the Bridge. A year in Division 2 wont do them any harm at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 28, 2008, 03:21:54 PM
First Home: Thomas O'Hare  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 28, 2008, 03:52:10 PM
was waiting for that lol the old wine and me dosn't mix too well lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on January 28, 2008, 04:31:18 PM
any division one fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 28, 2008, 09:17:00 PM
What time is the game on Saturday and will we need tickets for the stand?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 28, 2008, 09:27:25 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on January 28, 2008, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: Leo on January 28, 2008, 09:17:00 PM
What time is the game on Saturday and will we need tickets for the stand?

Throw in is at 7pm and I doubt you will need tickets for the stand. Should be a decent enough crowd for the game, especially after the last few performances.
Any news yet on a panel for the league or is it not going to be announced?

Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: StoneCowboy on January 29, 2008, 01:06:10 AM
I Hear Mickey Linden is the New Drumgath manager, is this true.
If so quite a catch for the Gath, anyone any views on this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 29, 2008, 09:01:28 AM
Yeah Mickey is taking over in Drumgath, if anyone can get the best out of them it will be Mickey.  Best of luck to him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 29, 2008, 09:02:45 AM
Division 1 Fixtures
Round One
Saval      v      Ballyholland   
Clonduff      v      Castlewellan   
Liatroim      v      Longstone   
Loughinisland      v      Rostrevor   
Mayobridge      v      Burren   
Kilcoo      v      An Riocht   

Round  Two
Ballyholland      v      Clonduff   
Castlewellan      v      Saval   
Longstone      v      Loughinisland   
Rostrevor      v      Liatroim   
Burren      v      Kilcoo   
An Riocht      v      Mayobridge   

Round Three         
Saval      v      Longstone   
Clonduff      v      Rostrevor   
Loughinisland      v      An Riocht   
Liatroim      v      Burren   
Mayobridge      v      Ballyholland   
Kilcoo      v      Castlewellan   

Round Four
Ballyholland      v      Liatroim   
Castlewellan      v      Loughinisland   
Longstone      v      Mayobridge   
Rostrevor      v      Kilcoo   
Burren      v      Saval   
An Riocht      v      Clonduff   

         
Round Five
Kilcoo      v      Longstone   
Saval      v      Rostrevor   
Clonduff      v      Burren   
Liatroim      v      An Riocht   
Loughinisland      v      Ballyholland   
Mayobridge      v      Castlewellan   


Round Six
Ballyholland      v      Kilcoo   
Castlewellan      v      Liatroim   
Longstone      v      Clonduff   
Rostrevor      v      Mayobridge   
Burren      v      Loughinisland   
An Riocht      v      Saval   





Round   Seven
Mayobridge      v      Loughinisland   
Liatroim      v      Clonduff   
Saval      v      Kilcoo   
Burren      v      Rostrevor   
Longstone      v      Castlewellan   
Ballyholland      v      An Riocht   


Round   Eight
Clonduff      v      Mayobridge   
An Riocht      v      Longstone   
Castlewellan      v      Burren   
Loughinisland      v      Saval   
Kilcoo      v      Liatroim   
Rostrevor      v      Ballyholland   


Round   Nine
Saval      v      Clonduff   
Mayobridge      v      Liatroim   
Loughinisland      v      Kilcoo   
Ballyholland      v      Castlewellan   
Longstone      v      Burren   
Rostrevor      v      An Riocht   

Round Ten
Liatroim      v      Saval   
Mayobridge      v      Kilcoo   
Clonduff      v      Loughinisland   
Longstone      v      Ballyholland   
Castlewellan      v      Rostrevor   
Burren      v      An Riocht   


Round Eleven
Kilcoo      v      Clonduff   
Saval      v      Mayobridge   
Loughinisland      v      Liatroim   
An Riocht      v      Castlewellan   
Ballyholland      v      Burren   
Rostrevor      v      Longstone   

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 29, 2008, 09:52:15 AM
Quote from: amallon on January 28, 2008, 03:21:54 PM
First Home: Thomas O'Hare  ;D

Classic :-*
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 29, 2008, 11:30:57 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on January 28, 2008, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: Leo on January 28, 2008, 09:17:00 PM
What time is the game on Saturday and will we need tickets for the stand?

Throw in is at 7pm and I doubt you will need tickets for the stand. Should be a decent enough crowd for the game, especially after the last few performances.
Any news yet on a panel for the league or is it not going to be announced?

Irish News has this today:

PROVISIONAL NFL SQUAD
D Alder, A Carr, M Cole, J Colgan, B Connell,
B Coulter, P Downey, L Doyle, J Fegan, D Gordon, C Gribben, D Hughes, S Kearney, J Lynch, C Magee, G McArdle, J McAreavy, D McCartan, J McCarthy, P McComiskey, C McGovern, K McGuigan, C Murney, P Murphy, R Murtagh, D O'Hanlon, D Rafferty, M Rafferty, A Rodgers, B Rooney, D Rooney, R Sexton, R Stranney, D Turley, P Turley (Downpatrick), P Turley (Saval)

- Panel subject to change

That is 36, so it may be cut to 30?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 29, 2008, 11:49:52 AM
I think Ross said in a recent interview that he wouldn't be cutting the panel .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedBlack on January 29, 2008, 11:50:14 AM
No John Clarke? Did he have a row after being subbed Sat night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 29, 2008, 11:55:33 AM
That panel is what was listed on McKenna Cup programmes.  It bears no relation to any NFL panel.  The manager has already stated that the panel will be fluid.  It won't be set in stone at any stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: holylandsbomber on January 29, 2008, 12:03:11 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 29, 2008, 11:55:33 AM
That panel is what was listed on McKenna Cup programmes.  It bears no relation to any NFL panel.  The manager has already stated that the panel will be fluid.  It won't be set in stone at any stage.

Does anyone know exactly who is on the panel ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 29, 2008, 01:59:16 PM
I would have thought Luke Howard & Conor Maginn would have made the panel as both played well for Queens in the McKenna Cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 29, 2008, 02:03:37 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on January 29, 2008, 01:59:16 PM
I would have thought Luke Howard & Conor Maginn would have made the panel as both played well for Queens in the McKenna Cup.

Spirit,you probably are hoping Benny Corrigan  and Eamon Burns will be getting a call up too  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 29, 2008, 02:24:54 PM
Good one Gutsy!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 29, 2008, 02:27:19 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on January 29, 2008, 11:46:37 AM
No Brendan McVeigh ? Looks like Bernie Connell will be the No1 choice for the league. Good to see D Rafferty back as well.

Think McVeigh and clarke came into panel late, thats why not on list. McVeigh will start on sat evening for sure, maybe Clarke too!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 29, 2008, 03:00:33 PM
Anyone care to have a stab at saturday's team?

Ideally i'd like to see the Mc Kenna cup winners* start again with the obvious candidates joining as the game/league progresses. Any of the Bridge lads care to enlighten us on Benny's current level of fitness? If he's not 100%, i'd prefer if he sits it out completely, indeed, there's a strong arguement for using him sparingly in the early part of the League campaign. That way when he returns, he'd be fitting into a developed style of play with confident players around him rather than the play and the players fitting around him as in the recent past. This is not a criticism of Benny, rather on the overreliance on him which has stifled both him and the team imo. He should be the icing on the cake not the cake itself so to speak.

I can see why everyone is thrilled that Doyle is playing at CHB but i'd still be a bit concerned about how he deals with people running at him in this position especially when flanked by attacking wing backs. Hopefully an extended run there in League will assuage my doubts and enhance his fitness, which seemed (understandably) a way behind the others last saturday. 

* mainly because i'd like to see more of the obvious candidates for the chop (Magee, Mc Kernan and Fegan).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 29, 2008, 03:03:44 PM
Would be hard not to pick J.Fegan the amount of covering back himself and D. Hughes did the last day was unreal .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 29, 2008, 03:12:32 PM
Benny expected to play some part against Derry but wasn't used maybe because Down were so much in control.  Think O'Hanlon will be the only man to loose out for Sligo, with Murtagh to come in for him.   I'll expect Benny and McComiskey to come from the bench.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on January 29, 2008, 03:47:19 PM
Quote from: amallon on January 29, 2008, 03:12:32 PM
Benny expected to play some part against Derry but wasn't used maybe because Down were so much in control.  Think O'Hanlon will be the only man to loose out for Sligo, with Murtagh to come in for him.   I'll expect Benny and McComiskey to come from the bench.

Yeah I think O'Hanlon will be the only stater from Saturday nights team to miss out but I reckon it could be Murney not Murtagh that gets the nod! Hope J. Clarke gets a run at no.13, he has been excellent since being moved there, easily got the better of a great marker in McGuckin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 29, 2008, 08:34:13 PM
Isnt it great to have selection problems and options in different position. Would still like a less fluid situation and more settled first fifteen, but early days yet, at least we have started to progress in right direction. Anyone worried about peaking to soon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 29, 2008, 09:34:01 PM
QuoteWould still like a less fluid situation and more settled first fifteen
Let's put this in context Pangur -  given the last 5 years in Down football, if we had a settled first XV at this stage of the season, we'd all be calling for Ross's head.   

Your second point is the more worrying one. I remember in March 2005 (give or take 12 months or so) we played Meath one day in Newcastle and literally ran them into the ground. We looked the fittest team in Ireland and the Royal men looked like a bunch of hiefers in comparison. When May came around, we looked busted. This year we've seemingly hit a similar level of fitness in.... January.

I'd make one point though. One of the reasons we looked so fit against Derry was because light, workaholic athletes McGuigan, Hughes, Fegan and Sexton were all playing in key positions for making a high-tempo game work. Fellas like that would be superfit at any time of year, and they would surely compensate for any lower fitness levels in teammates at this time of year.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 29, 2008, 10:44:00 PM
Quote from: the milkman on January 29, 2008, 03:47:19 PM
Quote from: amallon on January 29, 2008, 03:12:32 PM
Benny expected to play some part against Derry but wasn't used maybe because Down were so much in control.  Think O'Hanlon will be the only man to loose out for Sligo, with Murtagh to come in for him.   I'll expect Benny and McComiskey to come from the bench.

Yeah I think O'Hanlon will be the only stater from Saturday nights team to miss out but I reckon it could be Murney not Murtagh that gets the nod! Hope J. Clarke gets a run at no.13, he has been excellent since being moved there, easily got the better of a great marker in McGuckin

Ross has stuck with a fairly setled line up in MCKenna abd I dont expect much cahnge but Murtagh is definitely not a half back and would prefer another look at Murney. Fegan has done well, especially frees, but doubt if he has the physique for the battles ahead. Magee is for the future but will probably start on Saturday. Bryansford post about Howard & Maginn a bit optimistic although both in U21 and Maginn looks like a real prospect.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 30, 2008, 12:01:23 AM
I hope to see McComiskey at some stage on Saturday night, but those involved at Sigerson and/or u21 level must be unlikely to start. Strangely enough, Packy Downey is in the senior squad but apparently did not make the cut for the u21s. He will probably be on what I expect to be a fairly impressive bench.

I would not worry too much about peaking too soon, as our problem over recent years has been not peaking at all. We have made it past the first round of the Ulster championship once in the last eight attempts, while our overall record in the qualifiers is two wins and seven defeats in nine games. If we win a minimum of two matches across both competitions this summer, we can worry about our fitness then. On present form, this is more than achieveable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 30, 2008, 08:31:44 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on January 29, 2008, 02:03:37 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on January 29, 2008, 01:59:16 PM
I would have thought Luke Howard & Conor Maginn would have made the panel as both played well for Queens in the McKenna Cup.

Spirit,you probably are hoping Benny Corrigan  and Eamon Burns will be getting a call up too  ;D

I think my question was fair enough - though maybe Brendan Grant would be your ideal call up.lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 30, 2008, 08:37:37 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 30, 2008, 12:01:23 AM
I hope to see McComiskey at some stage on Saturday night, but those involved at Sigerson and/or u21 level must be unlikely to start. Strangely enough, Packy Downey is in the senior squad but apparently did not make the cut for the u21s. He will probably be on what I expect to be a fairly impressive bench.


It could only happen in Down, I suppose!!

I attended a seminar last year and Ross outlined his ideas on the task ahead, he introduced a physical trainer, ex Irish army (his name i cant remember), he outlined that he would have to condition the players as they were totally out of shape and showed slides to proves this emphasising on their balance, he said he would be working with the squad to improve everything in their fitness - perhaps this is beginning to show?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 30, 2008, 09:20:51 AM
U-21s have a strong line-up this year, but it is baffling that Downey has played Senior Championship football yet cannot make a 32 man squad for the under-21s. Anyone know anything about Liam McKibbin and Luke Toner, like, who they are?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 30, 2008, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 30, 2008, 09:20:51 AM
U-21s have a strong line-up this year, but it is baffling that Downey has played Senior Championship football yet cannot make a 32 man squad for the under-21s. Anyone know anything about Liam McKibbin and Luke Toner, like, who they are?
Both from Castlewellan, McKibben played half forward for the town seniors last year and is a good player, a nephew of Harpo, he is a asset to any team.
Toner is a hard player but too one paced for me, played midfield for town under 20's this year but never really impressed - was a member of the St Louis squads that marty clarke etc played in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 30, 2008, 10:14:45 AM
I know I am biased but it is a downright disgrace that Ricky Kerr didn't make it onto that U-21 panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 30, 2008, 10:44:19 AM
Quote from: No1 on January 30, 2008, 10:14:45 AM
I know I am biased but it is a downright disgrace that Ricky Kerr didn't make it onto that U-21 panel.

This is the same Ricky Kerr who signed to play Under 20 football for Castlewellan but couldnt make the team??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 30, 2008, 10:51:36 AM
That would be the same fella alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 30, 2008, 02:11:07 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on January 30, 2008, 08:31:44 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on January 29, 2008, 02:03:37 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on January 29, 2008, 01:59:16 PM
I would have thought Luke Howard & Conor Maginn would have made the panel as both played well for Queens in the McKenna Cup.

Spirit,you probably are hoping Benny Corrigan  and Eamon Burns will be getting a call up too  ;D

I think my question was fair enough - though maybe Brendan Grant would be your ideal call up.lol

yes he would, full back on a very successful club side in our county, definately merits a place on the panel!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 30, 2008, 03:08:10 PM

in Irish News today...

Due to a technical error the full Down U21 panel was not printed in yesterday's edition.
The full final selection is as follows:

1: Kevin Anderson; 2: Ciaran Brannigan; 3: John Caldwell; 4: James Colgan; 5: James Cunningham; 6: Mark Digney; 7: Ruairi Digney; 8: Kevin Duffin; 9: Conor Garvey; 10: Seamus Grant; 11: Timmy Hanna; 12: Tony Havern; 13: Gavin Joyce; 14: Ryan Kelly; 15: Declan Lavery; 16: Cathal Magee; 17: Hugh Magee; 18: Conor Maginn; 19: Michael McAllister; 20: Paul McComiskey; 21: Eamon McConville; 22: Kevin McKernan; 23: Liam McKibben; 24: Cathal Murdock; 25: Colm Murney; 26: Joe Murphy; 27: Jamie O'Reilly; 28: Brendan Rooney; 29: Eamon Toner; 30: Luke Toner; 31: Andrew Sloan; 32: Damien Turley.

their panel listings have not proved too accurate this week. But here it is anyway  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 30, 2008, 03:54:21 PM

5times,  that win would have been without their senior contingent being available (who were on duty at Casement) then ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 31, 2008, 04:07:09 PM
Has wee Martin had anything to say for himself since ? Who does he write for ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Class of 99 on January 31, 2008, 08:39:53 PM
 Not a word on Ambrose starting on Saturday from anyone is he fit? Also whats the chances of D Rafferty getting a run
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: on the way up on February 01, 2008, 08:32:05 AM
Ambrose and D Rafferty should be on the bench along with Benny, Paul Mc Cumisky and Rony Murtagh first time in years we have such a strong bench. Good luck to the boys sat night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 01, 2008, 10:22:28 AM
Thursday, January 31, 2008

By John Campbell

When Down exited the Ulster Championship last year, Daniel Hughes embodied honesty and dignity as he confronted a hungry media scrum afterwards.


The Saval clubman acknowledged that the Mourne side had failed to do themselves justice against Monaghan and when they subsequently were squeezed out of the All Ireland qualifiers by Meath, Hughes again did not seek excuses.

Today, though, the dark-haired scoring ace, in tandem with his colleagues, is determined to further erase the memory of what was a painful 2007 when the National Football League begins on this week-end.

Hughes has been superb in Down's march to the Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup this month but stresses that the team have still to prove themselves.

" We maybe have recaptured a bit of pride but that's as far as it goes. It's always pleasant to win silverware but we will certainly not be getting any ideas about ourselves," maintains Hughes.

His marksmanship, work-rate and total commitment have proved infectious with a number of other Down players displaying an appetite for battle since the start of the McKenna Cup that augers well for the future.

But Hughes himself believes that Down have still some way to go before they can be considered viable candidates for major silverware.

"We know our strengths and our weak points. But the fact that all the players are prepared to work hard for the cause is a great encouragement. Ross and DJ (Kane) have been very diligent in their preparations for the season and I think we are seeing some early benefits of that," says Hughes.

He deservedly won the man of the match award in last Saturday's McKenna Cup final but quickly proffered his own view on individual accolades.

"Sure, it's nice to get something like this but it is much more satisfying to be part of a team that is beginning to play well as a unit. We have been scoring quite a lot although we do tend to concede scores as well," he said.

"We have been improving our tracking back, I think, and in the modern game it is recognised that half-forwards must play like half-backs. We're all in this together, the spirit is good and we want to stick to the winning habit we seem to have acquired."

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on February 01, 2008, 02:43:46 PM
What is Mickey Linden thinking taking over Drumgath?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on February 01, 2008, 03:07:59 PM
Quote from: miss mess on February 01, 2008, 02:43:46 PM
What is Mickey Linden thinking taking over Drumgath?!

Porb the Favorites for the Junior Championship Silverware in first season
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 01, 2008, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: miss mess on February 01, 2008, 02:43:46 PM
What is Mickey Linden thinking taking over Drumgath?!

Three county players is a pretty good start for any club....Mickey would command total respect in a place like Drumgath....a club which has more than its fair share of head the balls. I think he'll do OK.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: holylandsbomber on February 01, 2008, 03:32:34 PM
Does anyone know when the club championship draws are taking place ??????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on February 01, 2008, 03:51:18 PM
Totally agree 5 Sams. Im a Drumgath man myself & i think getting Mickey Linden on board is a great capture. The players are there for us to obtain success. They just require a figurehead to have faith in, and respect, and i believe Mickey could be that man. Im sure theres plenty of clubs out there who would love to have him on board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedBlack on February 01, 2008, 04:28:37 PM
Re: Mickey & Drumgath

Is Mickey likely to play in Div 3 this year - I'd say a few defenders at this level wouldn't fancy the prospect of marking him. Him and Enda Gormley playing in the same league :)!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 01, 2008, 06:00:38 PM
Down Team v Sligo – Round 1, 2008 NFL Div 3
Saturday 2nd Feb 2008, Pairc Esler Newry @ 7.00 p.m.


1   Brendan McVeigh   An Ríocht
2   Ciarán McGovern   Boireann
3   Gary McArdle   Eanach Cluana
4   Martin Cole   Caisleán Ruairi
5   Darren O'Hanlon   Baile Uí Mhairtin
6   Liam Doyle   Liatroim
7   Kevin McGuigan   Seamrogai An Iuir
8   Dan Gordon   Loch An Oilean
9   Jack Lynch   Droim Gath
10   John Fegan   Cluain Daimh
11   Kevin McKernan   Boireann
12   Danny Hughes   Sabhall
13   John Clarke   An Ríocht
14   Cathal Magee   Droichead Mhaigh Eo
15   Ronan Sexton   Droichead Mhaigh Eo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on February 01, 2008, 06:24:52 PM

Besides he couldn't play for them without going through the transfer process first. That hassle hardly worth his while at stage of his career  :).  Expect him to do well as manager though.  Good luck to both Mickey and Drumgath.

Regards the team selection for tomorrow night, I am happy to start with the same 15 as last week, and I expect to see McComiskey come off the bench.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 01, 2008, 07:59:50 PM
I don't think there is much surprise that Ross has stuck with the same team it would have been hard to drop any one.  There is pressure on everyone starting to hold onto their jersey, there will be pressure on the boys coming in because they know they got to take their chance. Great to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on February 01, 2008, 09:20:01 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 01, 2008, 06:24:52 PM

Regards the team selection for tomorrow night, I am happy to start with the same 15 as last week, and I expect to see McComiskey come off the bench.


Dont know why everyone keeps going about McComiskey coming on, what has he done in a Down jersey yet????
Think i'd be looking to Benny as our first option from the bench! Mark my words, he'll be first forward to come on if in trouble!!!!!!!!!! ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 01, 2008, 09:23:03 PM
No. Don't agree. McComiskey has been playing with UUJ and is match fit - get him on ASAP. Benny could do with a rest. Thre's no need to rush him back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on February 01, 2008, 10:03:57 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on February 01, 2008, 09:23:03 PM
No. Don't agree. McComiskey has been playing with UUJ and is match fit - get him on ASAP. Benny could do with a rest. Thre's no need to rush him back.

Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
McComiskey goes to Queens university, so he cant play  for UUJ!!!
Well done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on February 01, 2008, 10:07:51 PM
Quote from: imagine on February 01, 2008, 09:47:38 PM
I see Benny is being taught a long,slow lesson.The leash will be stretched when he is eventually given playing time.The team first,personalties second.Well played Ross and Co.

Whats this personalties craic about??
Benny has been laid off with an injury, [Mod 3 - Personal Abuse]! We'll see all about his personality soon enough!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 02, 2008, 02:02:39 AM
Agree completely imagine, and because of this i believe we will see Benny fulfil his potential this year, and show himself as the great player he is, playing as a unit within a team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 02, 2008, 07:48:00 AM
 Jeepers lads--heavy stuff but I suppose his behaviour may have more to do with PoR and  Ross at the start of his reign but hopefully things are better now in that regard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on February 02, 2008, 09:09:57 AM
BRIDGE LAD is on a warning for breach of Rule 1 - Personal Abuse, following a reported post.

Cheers
Mod3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 02, 2008, 09:34:16 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on February 02, 2008, 08:03:31 AM
Patrons attending the Down Sligo NFL game on Saturday evening are advised that there is no parking allowed on the A2 Duellcarriageway. Ticketing and clamping may be in operation.

Patrons are advised that there is parking prevision in Greenbank Industrial Estate. And after the match preference will be given for entry onto the roundabout for patrons parking in Greenbank.

The cops have finally decided to turn up to GAA games and they start enforcing stupid rules.  People have been parking on the dual carriageway for as long as I can remember without any problems. 

Imagine - Panguarban.  Benny just can't win with you two, if he has a great year you are going to put it down to him being "dropped" for the early part of the season to teach him a lesson.  If he plays crap it will be because he isn't the centre of attention.  How well do you know the fella???  If you knew the man even a little you wouldn't be pushing this vendetta you have against him.  Especially Panguarban...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on February 02, 2008, 09:36:31 AM
hi lads whats all this personality craic and having to tow to line,  i'd be very interested to here such instances of him not playing as a team?  tell us all lads sayin as you 'know' the craic!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 02, 2008, 10:06:45 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on February 02, 2008, 10:01:26 AM
Quote from: amallon on February 02, 2008, 09:34:16 AM
The cops have finally decided to turn up to GAA games and they start enforcing stupid rules.  People have been parking on the dual carriageway for as long as I can remember without any problems. 

I will have a set of bolt cutters with me for the Rugby today, I`ll take them to Newry just in case.

Good man!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Class of 99 on February 02, 2008, 10:14:41 AM
Coulter when fit will play no question and more than likely star. The thing is since he has been in the team he has been relied on too much. I think it is very important for the progression of the team that the players learn to play without him and take responsibility themselves to take scores like they have been doing in the MCkenna cup.
This will build conidence within the forward unit so when Benny does return we will have more options unlike the last 5 years or so when it appeared are only option was to hit coulter with a long ball or pass it to him when a score should have been taken instead.
This will free Benny up as well as teams will no longer double mark if they are having to watch other forwards as well thus leaving him the space to reek havoc and get us the goals he is more than capable of.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 02, 2008, 11:01:52 AM
A real knight of the road! The 4th emergency service! Fair play to ye!

From RTE

'Superhero' takes on clampers


The self-proclaimed superhero operates in Louth, South Down and Dublin

Clad in a blue leotard and wielding a saw, a man claiming to be Ireland's first wheel clamp vigilante is offering his services to motorists.
5Times - a self-proclaimed superhero - patrols by night looking for unhappy drivers who have been clamped and then sets their cars free.

He promises to take on clamping firms and speed cameras on behalf of drivers.

An odd-job man by day, he claims to operate in Louth during the week and in Dublin or Newry at weekends.

A hotline number on his website offers a free wheel clamp removal service.

  I for one am prepared to fight for what is fair and am making myself available to the public

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39342000/jpg/_39342766_anglegrinderman3_203.jpg)

5Times 

On calling, an answer phone message invites callers to "leave a message after the grinding sound".

The unnamed man, who wears a costume of gold boots and crotch-hugging pants over a blue leotard, said he was happy to take the risk.

"It's a public service," he says on his website.

"I for one am prepared to fight for what is fair and am making myself available to the public.

'Deeper malaise'

"I may not be able to single-handedly and totally cast off the repressive shackles of a corrupt government - but I can cut off your wheel-clamps for you."

He says he decided to go "full-time vigilante" in May this year.

"My obsession with wheel-clamping is actually a rebellion against a much deeper malaise," he said.

"Namely, the arrogant contempt that politicians hold for the people who put them into power, and whom they claim to represent."

A Garda spokeswoman said no complaint about wheel clamps being cut off had been made by either a clamping firm or a member of the public.

A spokeswoman for the PSNI said they could not investigate unless a crime was reported.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on February 02, 2008, 11:36:28 AM
Excellent!  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on February 02, 2008, 01:54:38 PM
Quote from: imagine on February 02, 2008, 01:45:45 PM
Quote from: amallon on February 02, 2008, 09:34:16 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on February 02, 2008, 08:03:31 AM
Patrons attending the Down Sligo NFL game on Saturday evening are advised that there is no parking allowed on the A2 Duellcarriageway. Ticketing and clamping may be in operation.

Patrons are advised that there is parking prevision in Greenbank Industrial Estate. And after the match preference will be given for entry onto the roundabout for patrons parking in Greenbank.

The cops have finally decided to turn up to GAA games and they start enforcing stupid rules.  People have been parking on the dual carriageway for as long as I can remember without any problems. 

Imagine - Panguarban.  Benny just can't win with you two, if he has a great year you are going to put it down to him being "dropped" for the early part of the season to teach him a lesson.  If he plays crap it will be because he isn't the centre of attention.  How well do you know the fella???  If you knew the man even a little you wouldn't be pushing this vendetta you have against him.  Especially Panguarban...
I have no vendetta against Benny,I'm just stating what has seemed to the way of it as regards him and our Senior footballers.I'll be as loud as anyone in my praise of him where required but it's the same when it comes to criticism.
what do you mean i am just stating what seemed to the way of it regards him and our senior footballers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on February 02, 2008, 04:41:50 PM
Quote from: whyarerefssobad on February 02, 2008, 01:54:38 PM
Quote from: imagine on February 02, 2008, 01:45:45 PM
Quote from: amallon on February 02, 2008, 09:34:16 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on February 02, 2008, 08:03:31 AM
Patrons attending the Down Sligo NFL game on Saturday evening are advised that there is no parking allowed on the A2 Duellcarriageway. Ticketing and clamping may be in operation.

Patrons are advised that there is parking prevision in Greenbank Industrial Estate. And after the match preference will be given for entry onto the roundabout for patrons parking in Greenbank.

The cops have finally decided to turn up to GAA games and they start enforcing stupid rules.  People have been parking on the dual carriageway for as long as I can remember without any problems. 

Imagine - Panguarban.  Benny just can't win with you two, if he has a great year you are going to put it down to him being "dropped" for the early part of the season to teach him a lesson.  If he plays crap it will be because he isn't the centre of attention.  How well do you know the fella???  If you knew the man even a little you wouldn't be pushing this vendetta you have against him.  Especially Panguarban...
I have no vendetta against Benny,I'm just stating what has seemed to the way of it as regards him and our Senior footballers.I'll be as loud as anyone in my praise of him where required but it's the same when it comes to criticism.
what do you mean i am just stating what seemed to the way of it regards him and our senior footballers
Get over it and enjoy the match!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on February 02, 2008, 04:46:39 PM
no point in saying something and then you can not explain it you get over it  you are just listening to other people you dont have a clue
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on February 02, 2008, 05:18:21 PM
IMAGINE - You are just contradicting yourself man!
You really haven't a clue! What has Benny to toe the line for? What has he done wrong? Can you answer that one?

Pangburan, you've already been found out last week about Benny, so dont be jumping on him again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 02, 2008, 11:27:03 PM
A Mallon has accused me of waging a vendetta against Benny. I resent this as nothing could be further from the truth. If he would take the blinkers from his Eyes, he would see that in most of my posts on this subject i have acknowledged Bennys talent and his potential. A potential, which has not been realised yet, partly due to managements failure to properly utilise him, and partly due to his tendency to go for glory and try to win games on his own. Yes i have stated ,that to date i believe he has been over-rated , whilst at the same acknowledging his enormous potential to come good. I believe we are now in a healthier and more real situation, where Benny needs Down, rather than Down needs Benny. This will benefit the whole team including Benny. If everyone expessing an opinion on team tactics or a players performance, is to be accused of waging a vendetta, then little room is left for honest debate. I have stated my opinion, which i am prepared to stand by. It is only an opinion, given without malice towards Benny or any other individual, and i may possibly be proved wrong. If so i will happily acknowledge that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 03, 2008, 01:05:28 AM
We all know there is a long way to go, but we have just won five games in the space of 18 days. I'm not sure if that has happened before in the history of Down football, and it's fairly clear than something is stirring. My only caution is that four of those five matches were at home and the other one was in front of an 80 per cent Down support at Casement Park. Next time out is away to Louth, which is not a long journey but a venue where we were well beaten a year ago. If we can get a result there, we will be in a stong position in this division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on February 03, 2008, 11:16:02 AM
Great second half display by Down, wasn't looking good at half time, although we give them two slack goals! I thought the changes made were v good, especially Murney who steadied up the back line. McGovern maybe lacking bit of height and strength. Murney seems to be improving with every game. Liam Doyle was immense again and wee Rony was unreal, for the size of the man he got in and among Sligo's big men like a wee terrier!! As Mourne Rover says, we have to go to Louth now and perform away from home!

Think the team that finished should start in two weeks, with the exception of OHanlon who had good spells in the game but looks shaky when in posession. Maybe Luke Howard or McGuigan for that spot with Murtagh playing right half!

What do ya's think yourselves???? ;)

COME ON DOWN!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on February 03, 2008, 11:18:49 AM
Oh aye, what about trying McKernan wing half back? Seemed lost last night. Just a thought!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on February 03, 2008, 11:35:15 AM
Yea would agree with you there 5times on McVeigh, i thought he was the best option, looked dodgy enough sometimes. Bernie should be given a chance! He only played against Donegal and didn't do much wrong! Maybe your right about Benny one half might be plenty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 03, 2008, 01:06:42 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on February 03, 2008, 11:35:15 AM
Yea would agree with you there 5times on McVeigh, i thought he was the best option, looked dodgy enough sometimes. Bernie should be given a chance! He only played against Donegal and didn't do much wrong! Maybe your right about Benny one half might be plenty.

Neither inspire me with confidence, for me seen him play on numerous occasions, I would like to see Mickey Mc Allister at least be given a chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on February 03, 2008, 01:08:28 PM
Didnt see any clampers in Newry last night.  Good second half display but the first half was very worrying.

Looking over at the Tyrone threads is good reading, things arent going well, I am strangely finding myself increasingly optimistic about travelling to Omagh.

On another note, I keep seeing Luke Howard's name being mentioned about starting for Down.  Am I missing something here?  A good enough club player but I cant see nothing more than that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on February 03, 2008, 03:38:41 PM
i was just looking thru the programmed from the minor semi v tyrone few years ago.see a few of the boys have progressed to the senior ranks and beyond clarke,boyle,mccomiskey.what happened the young lad martin farrell from annaclone does he play ne ball still?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on February 03, 2008, 05:50:45 PM
Pangur, I'd be 100% in agreement with your position on Benny and it isnt because I have a vendatta either. Some of you' bridge lads want to pull your horns in . Getting the most out of Benny from a team perspective is biggest challenge Ross & DJ  have now that the Liam Doyle is being put to best use. Anyway good to see things on the up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on February 03, 2008, 06:35:12 PM
Just in case BRIDGELAD is'nt aware, this is'nt the "mayobridge players must come first" forum.               From reading a lot of your comments you appear to be quite blinkered when it comes to recognising that we do have other talent on our senior football panel that deserve to be given a chance at this level, & your assumption that Benny would be the first forward of the bench if we were in trouble against Sligo seemed quite arrogant & proved to be somewhat untrue ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 03, 2008, 10:27:11 PM
Of the team that started against Sligo:

McVeigh - still not sure - prefer Alder
McGovern - lack of height exposed but his commitment should earn panel place
McArdle - worth persevering with him - very cool & learnin fast
Cole - shoe-in - class act
O'Hanlon - out of his depth
Doyle - up where he belongs - gold dust
McGuigan - shows well on the ball but defensively weak & willl have to settle for a panel place
Lynch - working really hard - lacks finesse but is an option we need to persevere with
Gordon - great second half - need more consistency
Fegan - plenty of energy but don't think he will make the team later in the year
McKernan - out odf position - possible understudy for Doyle
Hughes - in the form of his life
Clarke - the forward line needs his physicality & scoring ability
Magee - for the future - reserves this year
Sexton - indespensable

Thoise who will definitely find a place are:
Coulter
Rodgers
Carr (althoug probably not at half back which should be where he plays)

Strong contenders are:
Murtagh
Rafferty
Murphy
Colgan

Not getting carried away but I think this analysis give good cause for optimism.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on February 03, 2008, 11:13:42 PM
Leo, good selection and analysis there, but would McComiskey not be worth his place in either the definites or strong contenders ? Also id prefer to see Connell in nets. I dont think he's made any mistakes when he's been given his chances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 03, 2008, 11:38:02 PM
Leo's assessment is fairly close to the mark, but McComiskey is a certain starter, and, Murphy, if fit, is the same. Carr has a lot of work to do if he is to get close to the first 15, while amazing as it might sound, Ambrose is probably behind Jackie as of now. The others Leo does not mention who are bound to be pusing hard are Declan Rooney, Dan McCartan and Michael Walsh. At long last, we have some strength in depth.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on February 04, 2008, 12:15:24 AM
 Leo your views are  good but I'd have to disagree with you as regards Fagan.I think he has a great engine and his overall contribution on Sat was immense.Who would you put in instead at this stage of the year ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 04, 2008, 09:18:47 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 03, 2008, 11:38:02 PM
Leo's assessment is fairly close to the mark, but McComiskey is a certain starter, and, Murphy, if fit, is the same. Carr has a lot of work to do if he is to get close to the first 15, while amazing as it might sound, Ambrose is probably behind Jackie as of now. The others Leo does not mention who are bound to be pusing hard are Declan Rooney, Dan McCartan and Michael Walsh. At long last, we have some strength in depth.

Sorry - serious omission on my part re McComiskey. May not start every game but in with a big shout.
I like Murphy & Rooney who both add real options at half back.
Carr, I agree with you. He is a fair enough player but rarely wins his own ball; however he will play for sure. To me is is a possible wing half-back and too weak for CHF.
Don't buy into the Dan McCartan thing. Great lad I am told but so often exposed and constant fouling are problems.
Doubt if Wals will be available much but properly motivated he would be an asset.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on February 04, 2008, 11:08:35 AM
Weird when you walk away from a game and so many people have differing opinions on who played well and who didnt - you even hear comments during a game and you think, what is that fella (or worse still, woman!) talking about! then you think, am i giving this player a hard time?? maybe he is playing well.....anyway, here goes my evaluation...

Quote from: Leo on February 03, 2008, 10:27:11 PM
Of the team that started against Sligo:

McVeigh - my number 1, but a dodgy kickout caused a goal, and one ropey moment under a high ball
McGovern - lack of height exposed but his commitment should earn panel place - agree with leo, plus he is too slow
McArdle - worth persevering with him - very cool & learnin fast - agree with leo, doing very very well
Cole - worried that monk thinks he should be going forward so much; he appeared at right corner forward in injury time!
O'Hanlon - out of his depth, agree with leo
Doyle - up where he belongs - gold dust, agree with leo; altho worried 1v1, o'hara set him on his hole in the first half on the wing
McGuigan - shows well on the ball but defensively weak & willl have to settle for a panel place - agreed
Lynch - working really hard - lacks finesse but is an option we need to persevere with - fair play to him but wont make the champship 15
Gordon - great second half - need more consistency - has the ability to be a superstar
Fegan - plenty of energy - doing so so well, and accuracy from free kicks definitely helps his case
McKernan - not sure where he is best placed; can score but not a good tackler at all
Hughes - in the form of his life; o/s ball carrier with ability to score
Clarke - the forward line needs his physicality & scoring ability - agree with leo
Magee - for the future - reserves this year - agreed with leo
Sexton - indespensable; a definite starter somewhere in the forward line

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 04, 2008, 02:08:04 PM
Looking at our panel as a whole these would be my preferences in each position.

Goalkeepers

1. Mickey McAllister
----------------------------
2. Brendan McVeigh
3. Bernie Connell
4. Declan Alder

Corner Backs

1. Martin Cole
2. Dan McCartan
---------------------------
3. Ciaran McGovern
4. Luke Howard
5. Damien Turley


Full Backs

1. Gary McArdle
----------------------
2. Declan Rooney


Wingbacks

1. Ronan Murtagh
2. Damien Rafferty
--------------------------
3. Kevin McGuigan
4. Colm Murney
5. Brendan Rooney
6. Darren O'Hanlon
7. Martin Rafferty


Centre Half Backs

1. Liam Doyle
-----------------------------------------
2. James Colgan
3. Peter Turley (Downpatrick)


Midfielders

1. Dan Gordon
2. Paul Murphy
-------------------------------
3. Jackie Lynch
4. Peter Turley (Saval)
5. John McCarthy
6. Joe Ireland


Wing Forwards

1. Danny Hughes
2. Ronan Sexton
---------------------------
3. John Fegan
4. James McGovern


Centre Half Forwards

1. Michael Walsh
----------------------------
2. Ambrose Rodgers
3. Kevin McKernan
4. Aidan Carr
5. John Boyle


Corner Forwards

1. John Clarke
2. Paul McComiskey
---------------------------
3. Conor Gribben
4. Ryan Stranney
5. John McAreavey


Full Forwards

1. Benny Coulter
------------------------
2. Cathal Magee
3. Packie Downey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on February 04, 2008, 02:45:29 PM
Did an Edwin Poots on it on saturday night landing in with the score 1-4 to 0-4 so i can't comment much on the defensive effort. I'm presuming that  Doyle struggled a little with O Hara at the start but what I saw of him he was excellent, very composed with plenty of time on the ball (always the sign of a class player). I like the Lynch Gordan partnership, I believe you need a cutting edge and a bludgeon in the engine room and Jackie certainly can do Bludgeon while his all round game also appears to be improving. Fegan was the real bonus of the night for me though, his work rate and fitness are excellent while his shooting ability is a great asset whether from pay or placed balls. Most of all he looks an intelligent footballer who like Doyle appears to have time on the ball. One incident near the end when he carried the ball out from his own 21 while the loons were baying at him to kick the air out of it marked him out to me as lad who has what it takes.

As a team I also liked the way they didn't panic in the face of the six point deficit but chipped away and kept their cool (DJ excepted of course  ;D  ) . Very encouraging
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 04, 2008, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on February 04, 2008, 11:08:35 AM
Weird when you walk away from a game and so many people have differing opinions on who played well and who didnt - you even hear comments during a game and you think, what is that fella (or worse still, woman!) talking about! then you think, am i giving this player a hard time?? maybe he is playing well.....anyway, here goes my evaluation...

Quote from: Leo on February 03, 2008, 10:27:11 PM
Of the team that started against Sligo:

McVeigh - my number 1, but a dodgy kickout caused a goal, and one ropey moment under a high ball
McGovern - lack of height exposed but his commitment should earn panel place - agree with leo, plus he is too slow
McArdle - worth persevering with him - very cool & learnin fast - agree with leo, doing very very well
Cole - worried that monk thinks he should be going forward so much; he appeared at right corner forward in injury time!
O'Hanlon - out of his depth, agree with leo
Doyle - up where he belongs - gold dust, agree with leo; altho worried 1v1, o'hara set him on his hole in the first half on the wing
McGuigan - shows well on the ball but defensively weak & willl have to settle for a panel place - agreed
Lynch - working really hard - lacks finesse but is an option we need to persevere with - fair play to him but wont make the champship 15
Gordon - great second half - need more consistency - has the ability to be a superstar
Fegan - plenty of energy - doing so so well, and accuracy from free kicks definitely helps his case
McKernan - not sure where he is best placed; can score but not a good tackler at all
Hughes - in the form of his life; o/s ball carrier with ability to score
Clarke - the forward line needs his physicality & scoring ability - agree with leo
Magee - for the future - reserves this year - agreed with leo
Sexton - indespensable; a definite starter somewhere in the forward line


Large measure of agreement, goldenyears.
Yes O'hara did drag Doyle out early on and my immediate comment was that he should be instructed stay central and let someone else pick up the wandering chf. This appears to be what happened in the second half when Doyle was utterly commanding.
Should also have mentioned Murney earlier as a good prospect but cannot agree with other poster about McCartan for raesons already stated. See him as a liability.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on February 05, 2008, 12:12:18 AM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on February 05, 2008, 01:30:29 PM
is there an ulster league thread lads? i cant find it in local or national sections
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maximus Marillius on February 05, 2008, 01:31:29 PM
there is, its on the gaa ssection...I will post on it for you and get to the top.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on February 05, 2008, 05:48:46 PM
much appreciated max
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on February 05, 2008, 09:31:42 PM
ok men, the manager asked me to put out the word to see if we can get some challenge matches organised over the next few weeks before our season starts on the 9th March, so we are a Division 3 team, junior grade, and if you are willing to give us a game, sent me a pm. we would be willing to travel, but not too far! though you could always come up to holywood, take the wifes/partners etc and send them to Ikea while you are playing the game, and it keeps everyone happy!  ;D
cheers guys!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on February 07, 2008, 08:16:54 AM
Quote from: stpauls on February 05, 2008, 09:31:42 PM
ok men, the manager asked me to put out the word to see if we can get some challenge matches organised over the next few weeks before our season starts on the 9th March, so we are a Division 3 team, junior grade, and if you are willing to give us a game, sent me a pm. we would be willing to travel, but not too far! though you could always come up to holywood, take the wifes/partners etc and send them to Ikea while you are playing the game, and it keeps everyone happy!  ;D
cheers guys!
What about your neighbours Garnerville Gaels  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on February 07, 2008, 10:32:07 AM
Quote from: off the laces on February 07, 2008, 08:16:54 AM
Quote from: stpauls on February 05, 2008, 09:31:42 PM
ok men, the manager asked me to put out the word to see if we can get some challenge matches organised over the next few weeks before our season starts on the 9th March, so we are a Division 3 team, junior grade, and if you are willing to give us a game, sent me a pm. we would be willing to travel, but not too far! though you could always come up to holywood, take the wifes/partners etc and send them to Ikea while you are playing the game, and it keeps everyone happy!  ;D
cheers guys!
What about your neighbours Garnerville Gaels  ;D

Have got a number for them Off the Laces? Ask your handler, he should have one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on February 07, 2008, 01:34:53 PM
Quote from: passedit on February 07, 2008, 10:32:07 AM
Quote from: off the laces on February 07, 2008, 08:16:54 AM
Quote from: stpauls on February 05, 2008, 09:31:42 PM
ok men, the manager asked me to put out the word to see if we can get some challenge matches organised over the next few weeks before our season starts on the 9th March, so we are a Division 3 team, junior grade, and if you are willing to give us a game, sent me a pm. we would be willing to travel, but not too far! though you could always come up to holywood, take the wifes/partners etc and send them to Ikea while you are playing the game, and it keeps everyone happy!  ;D
cheers guys!
What about your neighbours Garnerville Gaels  ;D

Have got a number for them Off the Laces? Ask your handler, he should have one.
He is busy this week extra shifts for checkpoints/ old money situation after christmas  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 09, 2008, 09:11:50 AM
Watched the 1968 Final v Kerry last night (cheers Lecale) and enjoyed every minute of it.  I was great to watch a game where both teams just wanted to get on with the game, only once during the entire game did someone need medical attention.  No time wasting even when Down were well ahead the kick outs and frees were been taken as quick as they were awarded, today's teams would be tying to slow the game down.  Strange to see full backs for both teams took the kick outs.

Some great Down performances.  Especially from Big Dan at full back, Tom O'Hare when moved to CHB about 15-20mins in and attacking half back Ray McConville.  Colm McAlarney was the stand out player for me, great fielding and looks to have the skills of a modern day footballer.  His Mid field partner Milligan who I admit I've never heard of before last night was very good as well.  Our 6 forwards were awesome to a man.  The half forward line of Mickey Cole, Doherty and John Murphy was fantastic, but Doherty stood out.  A real flying machine and always tried to look to bring other players into it.  He played some fantastic balls over the top for other players to run onto.  Ronan Sexton would have been proud of them.

Peter Rooney was shy of his 19th birthday and had an explosive start but was quieter after that.  Sean O'Neill brilliant as well.  He covered some ground especially in the second half when he was hovering up ball in our half back line when the pressure was on.   Purdy was everywhere too.

For Kerry Micko looked a good player at corner forward, he was raging he missed a fairly handy free.  He was a cute hoor back then making sure the ref knew exactly where frees should be taken.  Micko Connell didn't get too many chances to outfield in mid field.  He had a very strange kicking style for a man on the team of the millennium.  He wrapped his hand round the ball and seemed to fire the ball at his foot.

Micheál O'Hir was a decent commentator, but not as good as the other Micheál.  He got the facts of the game across without giving you much extra.

1960 tonight (off the juice for lent)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on February 09, 2008, 09:40:00 AM
Drop the tape down to big tom - gormans might even show it....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on February 09, 2008, 10:20:49 AM
anyone hear if the u21 match is moved from newry to burren tonight??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 09, 2008, 11:36:59 AM
I've heard its at 5:30 now, still unsure of the venue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 09, 2008, 11:44:21 AM
DownredandBlack - Did that crowd you emailed about old copies of Down games ever come back to you?  Really after the 68 NFL final v Kildare, 83 NFL Final v Armagh and the 68 AI Semi v Galway.  I'm nearly there with my collection thanks to Lecale.  I contacted the RTE Archive through their website to see what they can do.  I'll hear from them within 7 days and will let you know the craic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 09, 2008, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on February 09, 2008, 12:40:23 PM
Would it not be possible to get these games on DVD, surely there is a market for games such as these?


Did a member of this board (Kerry Mike?) start a place that transferred film to DVD or something like that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 09, 2008, 09:40:50 PM
U21's - Down 1-10 Tyrone 0-7.  I wasn't at it but the scoreline suggests a good Down win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on February 09, 2008, 11:04:10 PM
Anyone at the U21 game ? Big result , there was nothing between these teams when we had the Magpie MC- in some ways, this is even more significant than the Mc Kenna Cup and Sligo wins .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 09, 2008, 11:27:54 PM
Any word who scored or played well for the u21s?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 10, 2008, 12:36:45 AM
Calm down Caitlin, this was an U21 friendly. Beating a Tyrone side is always good news, but let's wait until we do it in a serious match. While Colgan's injury time goal with the same group of players in the rain at Omagh in the minor first round of 2005 was probably Down's best moment this century so far, we have managed one provincial U21 title in the last 20 years and we usually go out in the first round. Losing Clarke, and also big Fitzpatrick, who was MoM in the 2005 minor AI final, means we are up against it this year,but you never know...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on February 10, 2008, 11:55:54 AM
was at the u21 match last night, game got off to a slow start, down stepped it up a gear, ciaran brannigan in corner forward was flying, think he ended up with 1-06, big magee saw a lot of the ball when they moved him out to centre half forward, conor garvey lined out at 10 but think he played as extra defender.  colgan and mckernan did ok in midfield, tyrone won alot of break ball though. defence play well, hugh magee in particular at full back.  of the subs that came i thought joseph murphy and seamy grant stood out, both came on to wing back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on February 10, 2008, 12:30:40 PM
where is joseph murphy from
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on February 10, 2008, 12:44:50 PM
ballyholland......i think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 10, 2008, 12:51:39 PM
Ballyholland.... You know!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on February 10, 2008, 08:49:19 PM
Ciaran Brannigan got 1.06, he arrived at our Dinner Dance after the game and was well happy, picking up Under 21 player of the year rounded off a good day for him.
Did McComiskey play?
Ciaran said Tyrone were full strength.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 11, 2008, 10:35:32 AM
Quote from: whyarerefssobad on February 10, 2008, 12:30:40 PM
where is joseph murphy from

Joe is Paul Murphy's younger brother.....keep an eye on him...he's an outstanding prospect.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on February 11, 2008, 01:49:59 PM
Does anyone know any results from the ulster league at the weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 11, 2008, 02:35:06 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on February 10, 2008, 11:55:54 AM
was at the u21 match last night, game got off to a slow start, down stepped it up a gear, ciaran brannigan in corner forward was flying, think he ended up with 1-06, big magee saw a lot of the ball when they moved him out to centre half forward, conor garvey lined out at 10 but think he played as extra defender.  colgan and mckernan did ok in midfield, tyrone won alot of break ball though. defence play well, hugh magee in particular at full back.  of the subs that came i thought joseph murphy and seamy grant stood out, both came on to wing back.

Fair enough assessment although felt that midfield really only competed when Magee was in close to that area. Terrible tendancy to narrow the pitch when with the likes of Brannigan we should be stretching the lines. At times looked like a bunch of U12's all crammed into tight area. Murney looked good at half back and this line was well improved when Seamie Grant came on but he was flying a bit close to the fire on a couple of occasions and maybe lucky to stay on. Agree also with Magee's performance at full back. Deficitley plenty of stuff there for the future but Tyrone hit some awful wides.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 12, 2008, 09:23:51 AM
Quote from: amallon on February 09, 2008, 11:44:21 AM
DownredandBlack - Did that crowd you emailed about old copies of Down games ever come back to you?  Really after the 68 NFL final v Kildare, 83 NFL Final v Armagh and the 68 AI Semi v Galway.  I'm nearly there with my collection thanks to Lecale.  I contacted the RTE Archive through their website to see what they can do.  I'll hear from them within 7 days and will let you know the craic.

No Luck amallon , They said they had AI finals going back to 1970 ( I think ) . They suggested the RTE archives but thought it would be expensive .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 12, 2008, 05:53:26 PM
LIOSTA SEALADACH NA gCLUICHI – 2008

PROBABLE FIXTURES
Eanáir (January)
Wednesday 9th    Dr. McKenna Cup         Round 1   Tyrone v Down in Omagh
Sunday 13th   Dr. McKenna Cup         Round 2   Down v UUJ in Newcastle
Wednesday 16th Dr. McKenna Cup         Round 3   Down v Donegal in Newry
Sunday 20th Dr. McKenna Cup         Semi-Final
Sunday 27th Dr McKenna Cup         Final

- Feabhra (February) -
Sat 2nd       Alliance Football League       Round 1   Down v Sligo in Newry
Friday 8th   East and South Down Semi-Finals Scór Sinsear
Sunday 10th    Alliance Hurling League      Round 1   
      East and South Down Semi-Finals Scór Sinsear
Sunday 17th    National Hurling League      Round 2   Louth v Down
Sunday 24th    Alliance Hurling League      Round 2
                         East & South Down Scor Sinsear Finals   
      
- Márta (March) -
Sunday 2nd    Alliance Hurling League       Round 3
      Alliance Football League      Round 3   Wexford v Down
                         County Scor Sinsear Final
Friday 7th         Sigerson Cup
Saturday 8th     Sigerson Cup
Sunday 9th    National Hurling League      Round 4   
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 – Series 1
Saturday 15th    Alliance Football League      Round 4   Down v Longford in Newry
      A I B Club Campionship Finals
Sunday 16th    National Hurling League      Round 5                     
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 - Series 2
      Saturday 22nd Ulster U21 Football Championship       Down v Antrim
Sunday 23rd      Easter Sunday
Alliance Hurling League                    Round 6   
Monday 24th    A.C.F.L. Division 3 – Series 3       
Saturday 29th    Alliance Football League       Round 5   Down v Limerick in Newry 
Ulster U21 Football Championship Semi Finals
Sunday 30th    Alliance Hurling League      Round 7
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 – Series 4
A.C.P.R.L. – Series 1   

- Aibreán (April) -
Sunday 6th       Alliance Football League                   Round 6     Leitrim v Down
A.C.P.R.L. – Series 2
Sunday 13th      National Hurling League      Round 8
                         National Football League                   Round 7    Down v Fermanagh in Newry
      A.C.P.R.L. – Series 3
Friday 18th    A.C.F.L.– Series 1
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 5
Sunday 20th      Alliance Hurling League      Round 9
      A.C.P.R.L. – Series 4
Tuesday 22nd    A.C.H.L. – Series 1 Div 1 & 2
Friday 25th    A C F L Series 2
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 6
Sunday 27th      National Football League Finals
      A.C P R L Series 5
Tuesday 29th     A.C.H.L. – Series 2 Div 1 & 2

- Bealtaine (May) -
Friday 2nd    A.C.F.L. – Series 3
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 7
Sunday 4th    A.C.P.R.L Series 6
Tuesday 6th   A.C.H.L. – Series 3 – Div 1 & Div 2
Friday 9th   A.C.F.L. – Series 4
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 8
Sunday 11th   A.C.P.R.L Series 7   
Tuesday 13th   A.C.H.L. – Series 4 – Div 1 & Div 2
Friday 16th   A.C.F.L. – Series 5   
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 9

Sunday 18th     A.C.P.R.L. – Series 8
Tuesday 20th    A.C.H.L. – Series 5
Friday 23rd    A.C.F.L. – Series 6
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 10
Sunday 25th    Feis an Dúin
   A.C.P.R.L. – Series - 9
Tuesday 27th   A.C.H.L. – Series 6 Div 1 & Div 2
Friday 30th    A.C.F.L. – Series 7 ******
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 11******

- Meithmeamh (June) -
Sunday 1st    Ulster Senior Hurling Championship Fermanagh/London/Armagh/Tyrone v Down
                         A C P R L Series 10
Friday 6th     A.C.F.L. – Series 8 *****
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 12******
Sunday 8th    Ulster Senior & Minor Football Championship       Tyrone v Down
Tuesday 10th   A.C.H.L. – Series 7 – Div 1 & Div 2
Friday 13th   A.C.F.L. – Series 9 Football Championship Round 1 ????
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 13
Sunday 15th    A.C.P.R.L. – Series - 11   
Tuesday 17th   A.C.H.L. – Series 8 – Div 1, & Div 2
Friday 20th   A.C.F.L. – Series 10**** Football Championship Round 1????
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 14 ****
Sunday 22nd    Premier Reserve and Reserve Football Championship – Round 1
Tuesday 24th   A.C.H.L. – Series 9 – Div 1, & Div 2
Friday 27th     A.C.F.L. – Series 11 ****
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 15 ****
Saturday 28th    Christy Ring & Nicky Rackard Cup   Round 1
Sunday 29th   Ulster Football Championship Semi Finals   Tyrone/Down v Antrim/Cavan/Armagh
      A.C.P.R.L. – Series - 12
- Iúil (July) -
Tuesday 1st    A.C.H.L. – Series 10 – Div 1, & Div 2
Thursday 3rd     A.C.F.L. – Series 12****
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 16 ****
Saturday 5th   Christy Ring & Nicky Rackard Cup   Round    2
Saturday 12th    Christy Ring & Nicky Rackard Cup   Round 3   
Saturday 19th     Christy Ring & Nicky Rackard Cup   Quarter Finals      
      All Ireland Football Qualifier      Round 1
Sunday 20th    A.C.F.L. – Series 13****
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 17 ****
   A.C.P.R.L. – Series 13
Tuesday 22nd A.C.H.L. – Series 11 – Div 1, & Div 2
Friday 25th   A.C.F.L. – Series 14 ****
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 18 ****
Saturday 26th   All Ireland Football Qualifier      Round 2   
      Christy Ring & Nicky Rackard Cup    Semi-Finals
Sunday 27th     A.C.P.R.L. – Series 14
Monday 28th     A.C.F.L. – Series 15 ****
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 19 ****

-   Lúnasa (August) –
Friday 1st    A.C.F.L. – Series 16
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 20 ****
Saturday 2nd    Christy Ring & Nicky Rackard Cup   Final
      All Ireland Football Qualifier    Round 3      
Sunday 3rd    A.C.P.R.L. – Series 15
      Intermediate Hurling Quarter Finals      
Tuesday 5th   Junior Hurling Quarter Finals

Friday 8th   Football Championship – Round 1????     A C F L ????                                                                         Saturday 9th All Ireland Football Championship Quarter Finals
Sunday 10th    All Ireland Hurling Championship Semi-Final
Tuesday 12th   Junior & Intermediate Hurling Semi Finals
Friday 15th   A.C.F.L. – Series 17
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 21 ****
Saturday 16th    Premier Reserve & Reserve Football Championships
Sunday 17th   All Ireland Hurling Championship Semi-Final
Premier Reserve & Reserve Football Championships
Tuesday 19th    A.C.H.L. – Series 12 – Div 1 & Div 2
Friday 22nd    Football Championship Quarter Finals
Saturday 23rd    All Ireland U-21 Hurling Championship Semi- Finals
      Football Championship Quarter Finals
Sunday 24th   All Ireland Football Championship Semi- Final
      Football Championship Quarter Finals
Friday 29th    A.C.F.L. – Series 18 ****
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 22 ****
Sunday 31st    A.C.P.R.L. – Series 16
      All Ireland Football Championship Semi - Finals

Méan Fómhair (September) –
Tuesday 2nd   
Friday 5th    Football Championship Semi Finals
Saturday 6th    Football Championship Semi Finals
Sunday 7th    All Ireland Hurling Championship Finals
Monday 8th    Football Championship Semi Finals
Tuesday 9th    A.C.H.L. – Series 13
Sunday 14th    Senior Hurling Semi Finals
      Junior Hurling Finals
      A.C.P.R.L. – Series 17
Saturday 20th   A.C.F.L. – Series 19****
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 23 ****
Sunday 21st      All Ireland Football Championship Finals
Saturday 27th    Intermediate Hurling Championship Final
Sunday 28th    Senior Football Championship Final
      Ulster Junior Hurling Championship
   
Deireadh Fómhair (October) –
Saturday 4th    A.C.F.L. – Series 20
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 24
Sunday 5th    Senior Hurling Championship Final
   Ulster Junior Club Hurling Quarter Finals
Saturday 11th    A.C.F.L. – Series 21
   A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 25
Sunday 12th    Ulster Intermediate Club Hurling         Monaghan v Down
Saturday 18th    A.C.F.L. – Series 22
      A.C.F.L. Division 3 Series 26
Sunday 19th     Ulster Club Football Championship         Down v Antrim      
Sunday 26th   Ulster Club Hurling Championship Finals      Down v Antrim/Derry                         - Samhain (November) -
Sunday 2nd    Ulster Club Football Championship Quarter Final
      League Play offs
Sunday 9th   League Play offs
Sunday16th    Ulster Club Football Championship Semi-Finals
      League Play offs   
Sunday 23rd    League Play offs
Sunday 30th    Ulster Club Football Championship Final
      
- Nollaig (December) –
Sunday 2nd    League Play offs    

***** These Games Must be Played Without County Players.

****   Possibly Played Without County Players.

Games postponed for whatever reason must be played on or before the following Monday night. Rules on postponement will be strictly adhered to. Games not played will ruled on by CCC

Competitions Control Committee may review the above fixtures during the year. Clubs will be notified in writing (email) of any changes.

Play-off games will start immediately after their respective leagues are complete.

With the newly developed Pairc Esler the Competitions Control Committee may fix games under lights in the new stadium, Clubs will be notified in writing (email) of any changes.


________________________________________________________________________________

- PROGRAMME OF NIGHTS FOR 2008-
________________________________________________________________________________

Sunday – U-12 Football, Premier Reserve Football at 2.00 p.m. and Reserve Football at 7.00 p.m.
        Ladies Football at 12.30 p.m. (U-16 & U-13)    
Monday – Adult Football re-fixtures and Division 2 & 4 Camogie U16 Camogie
Tuesday – Division 1 & 2 Hurling, U-16 Football and U-14 Camogie & U16 alternate Camogie.
Wednesday – Minor Football, U-14 Hurling.
Thursday – U-14 Football and Division 1 & 3 Camogie.
Friday – Adult Football and U-16 Hurling.
Saturday – U-12 Hurling, Adult Ladies Football ( 7.00 p.m.) U-12 Camogie, U-10 Football and               
          Adult Hurling re-fixtures.

hard to get them right, if anyone wants a copy pm me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on February 13, 2008, 02:59:37 PM
reserve football at seven on a sunday again.. does anyone think this is the worst time ever for reserves players.. trying to keep the bridge thirds off the beer on a hot sunday with a big match on a gormans on tv is a disaster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 13, 2008, 03:09:56 PM
Totally agree T O'Hare. 7pm on a Sunday is the worst time imaginable for 2nds games. I think Midday or around 1pm would be an ideal time. This may keep boys off the beer on a Saturday night knowing that they could get a big session in from 3pm onwards on a Sunday.
On another note, the East Down Reserve League is a complete joke and has been for the past few years. Postponed games are never refixed, referees hardly ever bother to turn up and usually just a handful of teams get to fulfill all their fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on February 13, 2008, 03:25:55 PM
never mind the times of the reserves matches, how about the fact the season is now a full 2 months longer than it was last year, and even it seemed to drag along towards the end, imagine what this year is going to be like!!  ??? >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on February 13, 2008, 03:32:14 PM
  There is no date down there for the final round of Premier Reserve games.

 It is hard to know what to do about the timing of reserve games.  By 7pm a good lot of the team will be steamin drunk but trying to get boys on a pitch for 12pm after a night on the sauce is virtually impossible.  Only the most dedicated man in the world will stay in the night before a reserve match.

 I think 2pm is as good a compromise as we'll get.

  Regarding ACFL Div 2, why all the Saturday fixtures in October?  There is a gap of nearly a month between the last fixture in August and the first in September, could some of the October games not be played then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on February 13, 2008, 04:13:57 PM
just read an intersting article in the Outlook.. apparently the down hurlers trained in pairc esler and ruined the pitch.. a few schools matches were called off last week in it but the hurlers trianed and a large part of the pitch has to be relayed.. it goes on to say how the hurlers refuse to play matches in newry and use casement for their home championship matches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 13, 2008, 04:24:07 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on February 13, 2008, 04:13:57 PM
just read an intersting article in the Outlook.. apparently the down hurlers trained in pairc esler and ruined the pitch.. a few schools matches were called off last week in it but the hurlers trianed and a large part of the pitch has to be relayed.. it goes on to say how the hurlers refuse to play matches in newry and use casement for their home championship matches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please tell me it wasn't Jerry Quinn wrote that!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on February 13, 2008, 04:29:09 PM
No1,

i know what you mean but it looks like that is going to be a championship month, with no league games at all!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on February 13, 2008, 04:31:31 PM
Think it was, dont think it will go down well with the hurling contingent in Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 13, 2008, 05:23:51 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on February 13, 2008, 04:13:57 PM
just read an intersting article in the Outlook.. apparently the down hurlers trained in pairc esler and ruined the pitch.. a few schools matches were called off last week in it but the hurlers trianed and a large part of the pitch has to be relayed.. it goes on to say how the hurlers refuse to play matches in newry and use casement for their home championship matches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That ANY team should be allowed to train on Park Esler at this time of the year after all the work that has been done there is LUNACY especially immediately after 4 hard competitive senior football games in less than 2 weeks and the foulest of weather (to which it stood up remarkably well). We spend millions to provide a state of the art ground including expensively laid turf pitch and selfish idiots insist on training on it. We really are amatuer!

And who is in cahrge of the maintenance of the ground - is it Shamrocks or the county board? Either way it is a disgrace - brand new toilets that are NEVER cleaned out - no toilet paper for the ladies - debris among the seats in the Stand - and at the recent games no effort was made or facility available to dry the water off the open-air seats immediately before the game.
I guarantee the place will degenerate into the typical GAA shammbles of a ground begore the year is out with seriously damaged pitch to complement the ill-maintained spectator facilities.
Those Club Down boys have wasted their money if the place is left to the backwoodsmen to run.

Big rant, I know, but pissed off with this lunatic behaviour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OakLeaf on February 14, 2008, 10:10:43 AM
I've added a new Live Scores feature to GAA Radio. If you're at any Down club games it'd be good if you could text score updates to 447624804328. This service is free for everyone to view at http://www.gaaradio.com/scores/liveScores.jsp . Thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 14, 2008, 04:10:39 PM
Joe Ireland mentioned on HS ,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 15, 2008, 09:50:09 AM
Danny Hughes has been voted Tennents Merit award winner for January .
Fair play to him he has been outstanding so far , hope he has a great year for Down .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on February 15, 2008, 10:20:25 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on February 13, 2008, 04:13:57 PM
just read an intersting article in the Outlook.. apparently the down hurlers trained in pairc esler and ruined the pitch.. a few schools matches were called off last week in it but the hurlers trianed and a large part of the pitch has to be relayed.. it goes on to say how the hurlers refuse to play matches in newry and use casement for their home championship matches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the pitch wasn't fit to play on, no one should be allowed on it and if whoever is responsible for the pitch said that it wasn't fit to play on the hurlers wouldn't be on it.

As for the hurlers refusing to play on it, that's pure bollocks as I've personally asked the then county chairman directly after Down hurlers drew with Antrim in an Ulster final a few years back to get the replay moved out of Casement to Newry or Newcastle. He said he'd do his best and I'm not doubting the man but Ulster council make these calls not the hurlers.
As for NHL and Christy Ring fixtures, that is normally the county boards call probably in conjunction with the manager and considering that last year was the only year we've had a manager from the Ards in yonks.
On the few occasions the hurlers have played a competitive game in Newry they were treated very badly by the county board. In a game against Westmeath the hurlers arrived 2 hours too early, weren't allowed on the pitch for a puck about and were given a mars bar each to stave off the hunger pangs. It's not a reason not to play games in Newry but it can cloud peoples judgement a bit.


On a similar vein I suppose the Ards clubs are going to get it in the neck over the recent debacle of how the two minor teams were split with the Ards side of the minors playing in Div 1 of the Ulster league with the non-ards side playing in Div 2. Considering that for the last few years there are lads well capable of making the first 15 in the non ards section it doesn't make sense to have them in Div2 and likewise there are lads from the Ards who'll be playing in Div1 won't get within an asses roar of a first 15. Surely to god it's time these decisions are based on ability and not geography.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on February 15, 2008, 10:36:17 AM
Johnny whoever worte the article in Outlook is stirring,the pitch isn't ruined at all. To be honest it did take a hammering when the Mc Kenna cup was being played and in fact all that running across the pitch DJ does probably did more damage!

I think what the real issue was that the hurlers booked the pitch for a "challenge game" but it then transpired that the "challenge game" was among themselves and as such was a training game. In my opinion the hurlers are as entitled to the pitch as the footballers and I will certainly be raising it at the club if we are going to start this nonesense where the footballers have access to Pairc Esler but the hurlers don't. On that issue I'd have thought that the county board should have played the Armagh V Down hurling match in Pairc Esler this weekend given the local interest probably would have boosted the crowd.

I wouldn't necessarily blame the Ards clubs over the minor debacle as I think the way this was communicated is the real issue and not the actual idea in terms of getting a look at everyone by utilising both the A and B league. Something similar was done for the past two years with the non Ards players playing on the A or B team as required and everyone getting their chance, communication as always in this county the big fall down.

In saying that best of luck to Dutch and his fellow mentors for teh coming year although I feel they will have an uphill battle given the strength of the current antrim minor team who are significantly better than in 2007.
Title: Aussies Poaching again....
Post by: 5 Sams on February 18, 2008, 09:44:57 AM
Has anyone else heard that the kangaroo shaggers are talking to young McComiskey???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aerlik on February 18, 2008, 09:51:44 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 18, 2008, 09:44:57 AM
Has anyone else heard that the kangaroo shaggers are talking to young McComiskey???

Jayzus 5 Sams I dunno what you do when you go to the zoo but have you ever seen the size of a 'roos tail?
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 18, 2008, 10:02:36 AM
Tough hoors them Aussies ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 18, 2008, 10:48:26 AM
Heard the story about McComiskey over the weekend.  I think/hope its someone starting a bit of scandal for the craic.  Would he not be too small to play in Oz?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ballybredagh on February 18, 2008, 10:54:24 PM
Agree with Johnny Cool's use of the word "debacle" to describe the Down minor hurling set-up for this year. I'd suggest you could also use the words arrogant, aloof, patronising and condescending to describe the attitude of the minor management team towards the minor hurlers in Liatroim, Ballela, Ballyvarley, Warrenpoint, Newry, Kilclief, Castlewellan, Clonduff, Carryduff and Bredagh. Come to think of it I think "disgraceful" sums it up best of all. If we ever manage to close the gap between the Ards and Non-Ards hurling teams, I just hope the young hurlers in the Ards are never treated so disdainfully. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on February 19, 2008, 11:13:20 AM
Quote from: Ballybredagh on February 18, 2008, 10:54:24 PM
Agree with Johnny Cool's use of the word "debacle" to describe the Down minor hurling set-up for this year. I'd suggest you could also use the words arrogant, aloof, patronising and condescending to describe the attitude of the minor management team towards the minor hurlers in Liatroim, Ballela, Ballyvarley, Warrenpoint, Newry, Kilclief, Castlewellan, Clonduff, Carryduff and Bredagh. Come to think of it I think "disgraceful" sums it up best of all. If we ever manage to close the gap between the Ards and Non-Ards hurling teams, I just hope the young hurlers in the Ards are never treated so disdainfully. 

I'd be in total agreement with you Ballybredagh if I knew for sure that it was they that made the decision, but I don't know that. I'll have to ask Kevin as he and dutch are big mates.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on February 19, 2008, 02:21:14 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 19, 2008, 11:13:20 AM
Quote from: Ballybredagh on February 18, 2008, 10:54:24 PM
Agree with Johnny Cool's use of the word "debacle" to describe the Down minor hurling set-up for this year. I'd suggest you could also use the words arrogant, aloof, patronising and condescending to describe the attitude of the minor management team towards the minor hurlers in Liatroim, Ballela, Ballyvarley, Warrenpoint, Newry, Kilclief, Castlewellan, Clonduff, Carryduff and Bredagh. Come to think of it I think "disgraceful" sums it up best of all. If we ever manage to close the gap between the Ards and Non-Ards hurling teams, I just hope the young hurlers in the Ards are never treated so disdainfully. 

I'd be in total agreement with you Ballybredagh if I knew for sure that it was they that made the decision, but I don't know that. I'll have to ask Kevin as he and dutch are big mates.

I wouldn't blame Dutch at all. The managers were put in place far to late to allow proper trials to take place. The Ulster league starts this weekend. The main difficulty (as ever) is the very poor communication.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on February 19, 2008, 06:19:07 PM
Looking at the remaining 5 league matches you would have to be confident of winning this Division. Wexford away looks the toughest. Fermanagh have 2 matches to fit in because of postponments and might have to play mid week to fit them in. That could be good for Down.

I think we really have to start Benny and McComiskey if they are fully fit.

Allianz National Football League 2008

Round 3
02.03.08 (Sun) @ 2.30pm
Loch Garman v An Dún

Round 4
15.03.008 (Sat) @ 7.00pm
An Dún v Longfort

Round 5
29.03.08 (Sat) @ 7.00pm
An Dún v Luimneach

Round 6
06.04.2008 (Sun) @ 2.30pm
Liatroim v An Dún

Round 7
13.04.08 (Sun) @ 2.30pm
An Dún v Fear Manach

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 20, 2008, 09:14:53 AM
As long as Benny and Ambrose aren't carrying injuries they should start even if they aren't 100% up to speed.  They won't get match fit sitting on the bench.  If McComiskey hasn't played for Queens in the 3 or 4 days before the Wexford game he should start. 

Whats Paul Murphy's status?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 20, 2008, 12:38:59 PM
Quote from: amallon on February 18, 2008, 10:48:26 AM
Heard the story about McComiskey over the weekend.  I think/hope its someone starting a bit of scandal for the craic.  Would he not be too small to play in Oz?

We can't dismiss lightly the fact that AFL are intent on recruiting the cream of the crop. This process has accelerated this year because of the outstanding immediate impact of Martin Clarke of Down. While others have done very well (Kennelly) or reasonably well (O'Halpin), Clarke has been a sensation in Australia and now all the clubs are queuing up. The latest target is definitley Paul McComiskey who hasn't even played a full senior game yet (same with Clarke). No sport likes to lose any talent to another but we have opened the doors wide to losing our very best. We are one step away from using the resources and labour of GAA clubs up and down the country to provide a production line for a rival sport. Madness!!

What I find amazing is that the GAA are even considering a rerun of the Aussie/International Rules fiasco that should have been well and truly buried for all sorts of reasons not the least of which is that we are providing an invite to the carpetbaggers to come right in and rip us off. Unbelievable stuff. What any of this does in the name of promoting the GAA has always defeated me. It is now a crisis, not just for Down but for the GAA.

How many Clarke and McComiskey wannabees are a step away from having as their ambition not a medal in Croke Park but a career down under.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on February 20, 2008, 03:51:11 PM
Well done to St Malachy's High easily winning the Markey Cup final today at Casement Park, Devlin, Poland & Bonny will be the spine of this years minor team on todays performance. Coney from Ardboe is a very good prospect but Sydney Swans have him tapped up aparently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AFS on February 20, 2008, 11:19:09 PM
Quote from: Leo on February 20, 2008, 12:38:59 PM
Quote from: amallon on February 18, 2008, 10:48:26 AM
Heard the story about McComiskey over the weekend.  I think/hope its someone starting a bit of scandal for the craic.  Would he not be too small to play in Oz?

We can't dismiss lightly the fact that AFL are intent on recruiting the cream of the crop. This process has accelerated this year because of the outstanding immediate impact of Martin Clarke of Down. While others have done very well (Kennelly) or reasonably well (O'Halpin), Clarke has been a sensation in Australia and now all the clubs are queuing up. The latest target is definitley Paul McComiskey who hasn't even played a full senior game yet (same with Clarke). No sport likes to lose any talent to another but we have opened the doors wide to losing our very best. We are one step away from using the resources and labour of GAA clubs up and down the country to provide a production line for a rival sport. Madness!!

What I find amazing is that the GAA are even considering a rerun of the Aussie/International Rules fiasco that should have been well and truly buried for all sorts of reasons not the least of which is that we are providing an invite to the carpetbaggers to come right in and rip us off. Unbelievable stuff. What any of this does in the name of promoting the GAA has always defeated me. It is now a crisis, not just for Down but for the GAA.

How many Clarke and McComiskey wannabees are a step away from having as their ambition not a medal in Croke Park but a career down under.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7255939.stm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 23, 2008, 10:05:03 AM
Betsy Gray Cup this weekend

Clonduff V Shamrocks.
Ballela V Castlewellan.
Bredagh V Laitroim.
Ballyvarley V Warrenpoint

Warrenpoint has a good win over Kilclief last Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on February 23, 2008, 10:56:14 AM
   

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2007 Down GAA Powerade All Star Team
20 February 2008


The 2007 Down GAA Powerade All Star Team is currently being picked by members of the media in Down. A total of 45 players have been shortlisted - 3 Goalkeepers, 18 Defenders, 6 Midfielders and 18 Forwards. The players that have been shortlisted were put forward by members of the media along with the County PR Committee after each match of the 2007 Down GAA Powerade Senior Football Championship.

Goalkeepers
Liam Coulter (Mayobridge), Conor Farrell (Newry Shamrocks), Cathal
Murdock (Burren)

Defenders
Gavin Barry (Mayobridge), Aidan Brannigan (Kilcoo), Mark Doran (Longstone), Kevin Duffin (Castlewellan), Sean Farrell (Rostrevor), Conor Garvey (Mayobridge), Brendan Grant (Mayobridge), Seamus Grant (Mayobridge), Michael Higgins (Longstone), Luke Howard (Bryansford), Daniel Mc Cartan (Burren), Daragh Mc Meel (Warrenpoint), Benny McArdle (Annaclone), Gerard McEvoy (Kilcoo), Shane O'Hare (Mayobridge), Eamon Quinn (Longstone), Kevin Quinn (Atticall), Aiden Sheilds (Bryansford)

Midfielders
John Caldwell (Mayobridge), Adrian Carville (Bryansford), Dan Gordon (Loughinisland), Fintan Mc Greevey (Castlewellan), Colm McCrickard (Laitroim), Ambrose Rodgers (Longstone)

Forwards
Adrian Barry (Mayobridge), Chris Brannigan (Bryansford), Aidan Burns (Castlewellan), Paddy Cole (An Riocht), Benny Coulter (Mayobridge), Barry Doran (Longstone), Liam Doyle (Laitroim), Conor Gribben (Bryansford), Cathal Magee (Mayobridge), Conor Maginn (Bryansford), Gary McEvoy (Kilcoo), Kevin McKernan (Burren), Mark Polin (Longstone), Declan Rooney (Burren), Ronan Sexton (Mayobridge), Ryan Stranney (Loughinisland), Eamon Trimble (Longstone), Michael Walsh (Mayobridge)

It is your chance to see if you can match the media pundits in their selection. Send your 15 All Star nominations (1 Goalkeeper, 6 defenders, 2 midfielders and 6 forwards) from the 45 players via email: 2007allstars@down.gaa.ie or post: All Star Selection, Down GAA County Office, 17 Newcastle Road, Castlewellan, Co Down BT31 9DP before Friday 14th March 2008. Entries can also be done online @ www.downgaa.net.

The person with the closest selection to the final team chosen by the media will win two tickets to the upcoming Down GAA Dinner which will be held in the Canal Court Hotel on Friday 28th March 2008 as well as a signed Down GAA Jersey. Two runners up will win a Down Polo Shirt.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on February 23, 2008, 02:31:11 PM
CORN NA OG FINAL

ST.COLMANS, NEWRY  1-9
ST PATS, ARMAGH       1-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on February 24, 2008, 06:53:00 PM
Betsy Gray Hurling Cup

Ballela 1.10 Castlewellan 1.6
Ballyvarley 1.10 Warrenpoint 1.8

P.S Well done to St Colmans yesterday, few good young footballers from Drumgath and Kilcoo in the side amongst others.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on February 24, 2008, 07:05:27 PM
Betsy Gray

Leitrim bt Bredagh by 3.  Good game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 24, 2008, 08:03:02 PM
Betsy Gray

Shamrocks beat Clonduff by 10 pts.

Bredagh were very poor against Liatroim & lost by 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on February 24, 2008, 09:56:52 PM
Sad and surprising to see Bredagh lose after their players pulled out of the South Down squad, ah well always next year! :P

I think the draw pans out as follows:

Cup
Shamrocks v Ballela
Liatroim v Ballyvarley

Shield
(A) Kilclief v Bredagh
Castlewellan v Winners (A)
Clonduff v Warrenpoint
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 25, 2008, 08:56:24 AM
How did the 21's get on in the Shamrock cup ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 25, 2008, 09:17:11 AM
They drew with Monaghan.  Replay Tuesday night I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on February 25, 2008, 10:21:07 AM
I wouldnt say the bredagh players all pulled out of the south down team. One has moved club, one is injured, a couple are away studying and and others are studying at home and couldnt commit to training, especially after a long year last year. not to try n make excuses of course, :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on February 25, 2008, 12:49:54 PM
Whitehair - I hear Joe Cosgrove got sent off in your match. How come he was playing? He was meant to be excluded so I would expect an objection.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on February 25, 2008, 12:59:14 PM
Nominated for PowerAde

Conor Farrell Newry Shamrocks
Darragh McMeel, Warrenpoint
Benny McArdle, Annaclone
Kevin Quinn, Attical
Colin McCrickard, Liatriom
Paddy Cole, An Riocht
Liam Doyle, Liatriom

All above clubs were knocked out in first round of Powerade Championship.

Dan Gordon Loughinisland
Ryan Srranney Loughinislland
Sean Farrell Rostrevor
Aidan Brannigan Kilcoo
Gerard McAvoy Kilcoo
Gary McAvoy Kilcoo
Kevin Duffin Castlewellan
Fintan McGreevey Castlewellan
Aidan Burns Castlewellan
Rostrevor, Loughinisland, Kilcoo and Castlewellan were knocked out in second round.

I am surprised that players like Adrain Poland, Cormac Poland, John Magee of Longstone was not considered, they all played well in 5 games.
Also Eoghan Woods of Mayobridge.

In my opinion, My best 15 players of Powerade Senior championship 2007
These are based on  championship performances, not the league, does not mean that they are good enough for Down Senior Team.

1 Adrain Poland, Longstone;
2, Gavin Barry, Mayobridge;
3 Brendan Grant, Mayobridge;
4 Cormac Poland, Longstone;
5 Mark Doran, Longstone;
6 Seamus Grant, Mayobridge;
7 Luke Howard, Bryansford;
8 John Magee, Longstone;
9 Eoghan Woods. Mayobridge;
10 Kevin McKernan, Burren;
11 Micheal Walsh, Mayobridge;
12 Barry Doran, Longstone;
13 Adrian Barry, Mayobridge;
14 Ciaran Brannigan Bryansford;
15 Benny Coulter, Mayobridge.

I have left out Ambrose as he had very poor  games in Down final and
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on February 25, 2008, 05:30:52 PM
Bacon, you are dead right about Joe Cosgrove as I was rung about it on Sunday night by a couple of lads in our own club who were asking why they couldn't play on Sunday if Joe could.

I heard that Joe pulled out of the junior panel but that doesn't change the fact that the competition was meant to be for all clubs to play for the duration of the tournament without their county players. Expect this to be raised at the hurling board meeting in a couple of weeks time if not before depends on Castlewellan's attitude.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 26, 2008, 02:32:29 PM
I know a few on here have said John Clarke's best position was in the forwards going back a couple of years now and this has been borne out with his preformances up front  to date .  I was flicking through some old programs the other night and he has been named to start in 8 of the 14 outfield positions and this is only games that I've been to . I'm sure he has played in more positions for Down . This shows the class of the guy that he can play inter-county nearly anywhere on the pitch . I'm glad he reconsidered his plans to opt out this year as we are surely seeing the best of him so far anyway .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on February 26, 2008, 03:42:32 PM
 I was flicking through some old programs the other night and he has been named to start in 8 of the 14 outfield positions and this is only games that I've been to . I'm sure he has played in more positions for Down . This shows the class of the guy that he can play inter-county nearly anywhere on the pitch .
Surely this should apply to all inter county players that is why they make the team,their ability to play in whatever position the manager see's fit!!!!
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 27, 2008, 08:50:42 AM
Weekend hurling fixtures from Down web site

Saturday 1st March at 12.30pm

Ulster Minor League
Down B vs Armagh in Carryduff

Saturday 1st March at 2.30pm
U-16 League
Carryduff Vs Balella
Ballyvarley Vs Kilclief


Sunday 2nd March at 2pm
Senior Hurling Betsay Gray Cup

Newry Shamrocks Vs Balella (Match posponed until further notice)  :o
Leitrim Vs Ballyvarley

Sunday 2nd March at 2pm
Senior Hurling Betsay Gray Sheild

Bredagh Vs Kilclief

Has there been an objection to the Ballela/Castlewellan result? Good to see Carryduff hosting an inter county minor match.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on February 27, 2008, 08:56:35 AM
Any word on how the u21's got on last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on February 27, 2008, 10:09:55 AM
U21 game is being played tuesday 4th march in pairc esler i think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on February 27, 2008, 10:16:49 AM
Any truth in the rumour that the Linfield goalkeeping coach has been giving the senior football keepers a few sessions down in Newcastle the odd Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on February 27, 2008, 11:02:13 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 27, 2008, 10:16:49 AM
Any truth in the rumour that the Linfield goalkeeping coach has been giving the senior football keepers a few sessions down in Newcastle the odd Sunday?

I thought Linfield were opposed to playing sport on a Sunday?  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on February 27, 2008, 12:07:57 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on February 27, 2008, 11:02:13 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 27, 2008, 10:16:49 AM
Any truth in the rumour that the Linfield goalkeeping coach has been giving the senior football keepers a few sessions down in Newcastle the odd Sunday?

I thought Linfield were opposed to playing sport on a Sunday?  :)

I cracked that joke already to my Linfield source.
If the moneys good enough??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 28, 2008, 04:56:43 PM
FAO Amallon - check your PM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on February 29, 2008, 02:37:45 PM
I see ross and dj. have went with the same team again, although I like the fact that he is sticking with the players that played in the McKenna cup and giving them their chance I wouldnt mind seeing them start with a stronger team rather than wait til 40-50mins and then make the changes!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on February 29, 2008, 08:43:42 PM
Not surprised with same selection for Down's game against Wexford, after all they are winning their games. I noticed that the final of Scor is on Sunday meaning lots of Down supporters will not be albe to attend. The match is live on
http://www.southeastradio.ie/listen_live/index.php
Best wishes to Ross and Dj
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 29, 2008, 08:47:03 PM
Is it the Scor Na Nog final on Sunday, at which venue
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 29, 2008, 09:00:30 PM
Copy of E-mail I received, hope its correct!!!

Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:25:04 +0000
> From: secretary-scor@down.gaa.ie
> To: downclubs@down.gaa.ie
> Subject: Urgent Information for Scor Contacts
>
>
>
> A chara
>
> Due to circumstances beyond our control there has been a change in the runnung order of our County Final on sunday 2nd March in St Malachy's High School Castlewellen @ 7.00pm.
>
> The programme will now be
>
> Ballad Group, Instrumental Music, Novelty Act, Solo Singing Interval
> Ceili Dancing, Recitation, Set Dancing, Quiz.
>
> Please note that we will be starting at 7.00pm and not 6.30pm as advertised. It is your responsibilty to pass this information on to the scor contact as soon as possible if this is not yourself
>
> Poilin Bn Mhig Aoidh
>
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 01, 2008, 02:46:20 PM
Ulster Minor Hurling league

Down B 5-09 0-13 Armagh

Great team performance form the "B" team at a windy Carryduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 02, 2008, 12:22:15 PM
1960 All Ireland Final Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GV63nFHzDg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GV63nFHzDg)

1961 All Ireland Final Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HcKVpBf32o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HcKVpBf32o)

1968 All Ireland Final Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtm1FotH8pQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtm1FotH8pQ)

1991 All Ireland Final Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAdlc5DAeE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAdlc5DAeE)

1994 All Ireland Final Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R_i5f9V2SM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R_i5f9V2SM)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 02, 2008, 02:45:05 PM
Down 2 points to nil up.  Declan Rooney and John Clarke getting the points.  Wexford have missed a few scores.  Seems like a few changes on the Down team, Ambrose and Rooney have started.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on March 02, 2008, 02:52:31 PM
4 1 to down now twenty mins gone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on March 02, 2008, 02:53:48 PM
Those youtube clips are great
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on March 02, 2008, 03:01:15 PM
that boy commentating on the armagh game is brutal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 02, 2008, 03:09:40 PM
7 points to 2 Down playing against the wind.  Ambrose going well acording to the Wex radio. 7-3 now.  South East radio is very good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on March 02, 2008, 03:11:09 PM
amallon, what frequency is that station?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 02, 2008, 03:11:26 PM
3 point game at half time. Wexford came well into it in the last 10 mins of the half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 02, 2008, 03:12:13 PM
Listening online http://www.southeastradio.ie/listen_live/index.php (http://www.southeastradio.ie/listen_live/index.php)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on March 02, 2008, 03:12:23 PM
what number is that on the radio
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 02, 2008, 03:20:46 PM
You can only get the wexford station on the net.  If you are in Wexford its 95.6 to 96.4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on March 02, 2008, 03:22:50 PM
cheers malso :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 02, 2008, 03:40:29 PM
2 goals for Wexford, 3 points Down now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on March 02, 2008, 03:43:52 PM
down must have no subs  :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on March 02, 2008, 04:13:01 PM
sounded like a poor second half from down only scored 2 points think its about time down started to play there strongest team if we look at it we got lucky against louth and maybe against sligo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: billy the kid on March 02, 2008, 04:19:38 PM
What was the final score in the down game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on March 02, 2008, 04:22:09 PM
2 8 to 0 9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 02, 2008, 07:33:32 PM
Betsy Gray Sheild
Bredagh 4-12 1-05 Kilclief

McGuinness is shaking things up and fielding very young teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on March 02, 2008, 09:08:47 PM
Think your right superblues, Down have only a few games left until the Tyrone match. Heard that Coulter and McComiskey were taken on late on. Bit of a joke!!! How does Rooney get to start after a long injury lay off? It baffles me!
Need all the big guns back next game and maybe A Carr, NOT!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 03, 2008, 10:34:07 AM
Lads I've too much time on my hands at the weekend since I've been off the beer for lent.  Some of these might cheer you up after yesterday.

A tribute to Tom O'Hare and Mickey Linden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEaJYMP5PXo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEaJYMP5PXo)

These again:
1960 All Ireland Final Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GV63nFHzDg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GV63nFHzDg)

1961 All Ireland Final Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HcKVpBf32o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HcKVpBf32o)

1968 All Ireland Final Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtm1FotH8pQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtm1FotH8pQ)

1991 All Ireland Final Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAdlc5DAeE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAdlc5DAeE)

1994 All Ireland Final Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R_i5f9V2SM  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R_i5f9V2SM)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 03, 2008, 01:57:21 PM
Down hurlers had a bit of a 'friendly' on saturday against Wicklow down in Monasterboyce. It was so friendly the ref blew it up early as there were too many melee's breaking out. Jingo was disgusted by his charges tendency to fight, just a tad ironic to some of us who know the mans own playing history with the Paddies in the bear pit.

On the up side, big magic was just off the plane on thursday from 3 months in Australia, came on in the second half and scored 1-4 from play. No doubt some of the panelists who have trained all year could be a bit miffed if Jingo goes to start him the next day out, but surely to god Jingo wouldn't undermine himself by doing that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on March 03, 2008, 03:26:36 PM
Well division three kicks off this weekend any one any thoughts as to how the league will pan out and who will be in the various shake ups come the end off october??
I myself think tecconnaught will be their or there abouts with carryduff,glassdrumman and maybe ardglass with K smyth leading them now Relegation may be st pauls,drummanes and st micheals with saul and glenn scraping it out to stay out off playoffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on March 03, 2008, 04:27:39 PM
laces,

some of your predictions there will hopefully (says a silent prayer) be wrong come the end of the season. Teconnaught and Ardglass will be mid table teams, no more than that, though i would say that Carryduff and Glasdrumman will be fighting to get back to Div 2, with, and i hate to say it Bredagh, and probably Saul and Bosco. depending what Mickey Linden can do with Drumgath and how they cope with the 3 county men missing, could be there or there abouts too.

Down the bottom end you could find ourselves, Glenn, Mitchells fighting it out along with St. Michael's and possibly Drumaness, though with them having experience of Div 3 before, they might fair slightly better.

I feel as long as we can win our home games, we should be in with a fairly fighting chance!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 03, 2008, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on March 03, 2008, 01:57:21 PM
Jingo was disgusted by his charges tendency to fight, just a tad ironic to some of us who know the mans own playing history with the Paddies in the bear pit.


:D :D

Magic will start. No question about it. I think you're messing there Jonnycool!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 04, 2008, 08:31:49 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on March 03, 2008, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on March 03, 2008, 01:57:21 PM
Jingo was disgusted by his charges tendency to fight, just a tad ironic to some of us who know the mans own playing history with the Paddies in the bear pit.


:D :D

Magic will start. No question about it. I think you're messing there Jonnycool!

I kid you not Lecale, he give out to them after the 40 minute game.

As for magic i wouldn't start him on principal as he hasn't done the hard yards even though he trained with the club on sunday morning and wasn't in too bad of nick, his touch is unbelievable even if he hasn't had a hurl in his hand for the best part of 4 months.
You got to show some kind of respect to the rest of the lads who've bothered to bust their balls through the stamina training or you'll lose any team spirit built up over the winter. I'd make him work like f**k for the next few weeks but the Meath game is a must win for Down he'll be very tempting to spring from the bench if things aren't going your way. A tough decision for Jingo to make so early in the year.
Title: club down statement
Post by: goldenyears on March 04, 2008, 03:15:23 PM
I cant understand the below - surely we need training facilities / central  development ground etc
when club down has been so good, why oh why would they let it stand down??


Latest News: Committee to Stand Down

Statement from Sean O''Neill, Chairman

Following the successful completion of the redevelopment of Park Esler, the Committee of Club Down has undertaken discussions with the officers of the County Committee to determine what role Club Down might now play for the future benefit of the GAA in the county. We have not identified a specific role that we feel we could undertake at this stage and therefore, at our last meeting, it was agreed in principle to wind up our activity as at 31st March 2008. The officers of the Committee were authorised by that meeting to prepare the final accounts and make suitable interim and transitional arrangements, including the disposal of assets. Any surplus funds will be made available to the county's designated Park Esler account. This will come as a disappointment to many of our sponsors and members whose loyalty to our efforts has been the sound foundation on which our success was built, but it may be that a suitable project or role will emerge in the future for a re-constituted Club Down or similar body; however, in the meantime we have decided to stand down. I want to emphasise that we have enjoyed the best of working relations with the county officers and they have our full support going forward. A final statement of account will be sent to all members and sponsors in due course and the co-ordinator will also be writing with details of our transitional arrangements. The Club Down Committee has worked extremely hard over the past five years to deliver the new stadium that is Park Esler, and we are proud that, with your invaluable support, we helped to make it happen. It is a worthy testament to your generous contribution and a significant investment in the future of the GAA in Down. Thank you again most sincerely for the important part you have played.

Source: Club Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 04, 2008, 09:41:18 PM
Totally mystified by above statement, unbelievable that no need or role which could be addressed by Club Down can be identified, at this time. If the organisation winds up, it will be difficult if not impossible to re-form, especially with people of the same calibre. There must be more to this story, something is wrong somewhere
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 04, 2008, 09:59:30 PM
The U21's were beaten by a point by Monaghan in the final of the Shamrock cup in Burren tonight after extra time.  It was a good enough game of football on a lsippy surface.  £7 was steep enough for a gloified under 21 challenge game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 04, 2008, 10:35:15 PM
Quote from: amallon on March 04, 2008, 09:59:30 PM
£7 was steep enough for a gloified under 21 challenge game.


Hungry bastards!!!!! Who was taking the gate??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 05, 2008, 08:54:15 AM
Cremartin (Monagahn Club) run the tournament and I believe they get the gate.  Its a nice wee fundraiser for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 05, 2008, 09:40:16 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on March 04, 2008, 09:41:18 PM
Totally mystified by above statement, unbelievable that no need or role which could be addressed by Club Down can be identified, at this time. If the organisation winds up, it will be difficult if not impossible to re-form, especially with people of the same calibre. There must be more to this story, something is wrong somewhere

Agree that Club Down has been the most successful initiative in the county for as long as I recall. Thie aim was to complete Park Esler and this they have achieved. I know that there is talk of new dressing rooms but thier main objective has been met. They may consider that training facilities etc will be taken care of by money from Newcastle but still the county board should be movinhg heaven and earth to keep these guys on board.
I suppose by stepping aside they are proving that theye are not motivated by holding onto office unless it is for some clear purpose, and the tone of the statement indicates that they are deferring to the wishes of the county board, but I am mystified as to why the new county board has not sincluded them in a county plan.
Club Down went about their business quietly and efficiently and the proof of the pudding id there for all to see in our fantastic new ground at Newry. Make no mistake about it their resignation is a major setback for the GAA in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on March 06, 2008, 08:06:04 AM
Drumgrath have applied to be regraded from Junior to Intermediate while Ballyvarley have applied to be regraded in the other direction. Decisions will be taken next week.

Drumgrath have a case and it's good to see a club taking the initiative. It's nonsense to have a club drop from Senior to Junior in a year. They would have walked the JFC and it's good to see them not grabbing the cheap trophy.

Ballyvarley won the JHC two years but are no where near Intermediate standard. They were very badly beaten by Ballygalget in the IHC last year and finished near the bottom of Division 2. It makes sense for them to drop back down with Bredagh going up to Intermediate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: loughshore lad on March 06, 2008, 08:45:55 AM
Sorry to interrupt lads. My club (Ardboe) are playing Clonduff on sunday in the ulster league. What sort of team have they and who are their main players (I know Aidan Carr and John Fegan play for them)? Where are they based?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 06, 2008, 08:50:53 AM
  their men players
  There is some of the women players I don't know ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 06, 2008, 08:52:46 AM
 Joking aside they are based in Hilltown with their pitch on the Castlewellan Road opp the Chapel as you go out of the town!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: loughshore lad on March 06, 2008, 09:38:40 AM
Quote from: wobbller on March 06, 2008, 08:50:53 AM
  their men players
  There is some of the women players I don't know ;D ;D ;D ;D

;D ;D

Quote from: wobbller on March 06, 2008, 08:52:46 AM
Joking aside they are based in Hilltown with their pitch on the Castlewellan Road opp the Chapel as you go out of the town!

Cheers, just trying to decide if I should go and watch it, its a fair drive for an ulster league game. What are they like?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on March 06, 2008, 11:27:26 AM
Former Down All-Ireland winning captain and current county senior assistant team-manager DJ Kane has been banned for 16 weeks after his latest sideline indiscretion. However, his suspension will end in time for the Mourne sides Ulster SFC first round clash with Tyrone this summer.

Kane's suspension expires at 12 midnight on the day of Down's trip to Healy Park, Omagh on Sunday, June 8th.

It was confirmed from Croke Park this week that Kane is not just banned from the sideline , but also from the changing rooms area and will not be allowed to sit among the substitutes in the stands, according to the Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC).

Kane angrily protested against a decision involving Down player Ronan Sexton which prompted Armagh referee, Padraig Hughes to banish him from the dug-out. After consulting Hughes' subsequent match report the CCCC handed down a 16 weeks suspension to the 1994 Down All-Ireland winning captain.


Earlier this year DJ Kane incurred the wrath of the Ulster Council and suffered a sideline ban during the Mourne county's successful Dr. McKenna Cup campaign which ended with their final defeat of Derry in Casement Park.

Last season, the Down assistant manager missed the start of the Ulster championship campaign after becoming embroiled in an unseemly incident in a game between Down and Armagh that led to an 8 weeks sideline suspension.

Kane was sent to the stands for the Mournemen's two games against Cavan in Kingspan/Breffni Park, Cavan and Pairc Esler in Newry before returning to the sidelines alongside manager Ross Carr. It is unlikely that the Down officials will contest Kane's latest ban.

It now looks as if Down boss, Ross Carr will be without the assistance of his assistant manager on match-days for the remainder of their NFL Division Three campaign - with games against Longford (home), Limerick (home), Leitrim (away) and Fermanagh (home).

With three games played to date in the current NFL the Down side are nicely placed in the division with two wins out of three starts - they lost their last game away to Wexford who presently top the league table.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 06, 2008, 11:44:27 AM
No way!  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on March 06, 2008, 11:49:18 AM

The down players will be the most relieved at this news from what i hear!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 06, 2008, 12:01:52 PM
The refs, Linesmen, and opposition mangement will feel a whole lot safer anyway.  Its the people in the stands that should be worried now.  One of them shark diving cages suspended from the roof of the new stand would be the job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on March 06, 2008, 01:35:59 PM
Bacon,
Drumgath where told they will have to play in the intermediate c/ship with Glenn being regraded down. Gath where hoping to be in the junior to get a handy run and a bit of silverware to celebrate this i know as i was told by a current county and gath panellist.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 06, 2008, 01:55:38 PM
QuoteOne of them shark diving cages suspended from the roof of the new stand would be the job.
;D  ;D

He was always a slabber.

Div 3 throws in this weekend, any predictions?

Glassdrumman V St John Bosco - Glassdrumman

Ardglass V Saul - Ardglass, though with any luck a hurricane will blow in from the shore and wipe both clubs off the face of the earth. 

Glenn V Tecconaught - Glenn

Bredagh V St Pauls - Draw with the ref being the only Down man on the pitch

Mitchels V Drumgath - Drumgath

St Micheals V Drumaness - Drumaness with at least 3 sent off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 06, 2008, 03:05:47 PM
Quote from: loughshore lad on March 06, 2008, 09:38:40 AM
Quote from: wobbller on March 06, 2008, 08:50:53 AM
  their men players
  There is some of the women players I don't know ;D ;D ;D ;D

;D ;D

Quote from: wobbller on March 06, 2008, 08:52:46 AM
Joking aside they are based in Hilltown with their pitch on the Castlewellan Road opp the Chapel as you go out of the town!

Cheers, just trying to decide if I should go and watch it, its a fair drive for an ulster league game. What are they like?

Advice, stay in Arboe :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on March 06, 2008, 05:38:17 PM
Quote from: off the laces on March 06, 2008, 01:35:59 PM
Bacon,
Drumgath where told they will have to play in the intermediate c/ship with Glenn being regraded down. Gath where hoping to be in the junior to get a handy run and a bit of silverware to celebrate this i know as i was told by a current county and gath panellist.

Complete Bullshit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 06, 2008, 08:02:23 PM


Glassdrumman V St John Bosco

Ardglass V Saul

Glenn V Tecconaught -

Bredagh V St Pauls -

Mitchels V Drumgath

St Micheals V Drumaness



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 06, 2008, 09:52:32 PM
Have no sympathy for DJ, suspension well deserved, its time he grew up and started behaving like a responsible adult. Used to be a school teacher, so should know the need to set proper example.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 07, 2008, 08:49:36 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on March 03, 2008, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on March 03, 2008, 01:57:21 PM
Jingo was disgusted by his charges tendency to fight, just a tad ironic to some of us who know the mans own playing history with the Paddies in the bear pit.


:D :D

Magic will start. No question about it. I think you're messing there Jonnycool!

I'll have to bow to your greater knowledge there Lecale, big Magic is starting on the edge of the square on sunday;

Team is:
Graham
Liam
Finty
Paddy Hughes
Simon Wilson
Courtney
Gab's 'burn out' Clarke
Andy Savage
Ciaran Coulter
Ruairi McGrattan
Doole
McGourty
Stevie Clarke
Magic
Conor Woods


McGarry is carrying an arm injury after getting a slap against Armagh so that's why I'd assume Ruairi got a start in the half forwards, a bit too far up the field IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 07, 2008, 09:14:19 AM
The Meath match is a must win for Down and it will be a tough one. For the big games you need your best team on the pitch. McGarry's injury made it that bit easier for Jingo. I think Ballygalget made a mistake leaving him out 2 yrs ago v Ports and paid the price. Had he started you would have won IMO.

How has McGarry been doing JC? I wasn't terribly impressed in the senior semi final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on March 07, 2008, 11:49:17 AM
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Quote from: off the laces on March 06, 2008, 01:35:59 PM
Bacon,
Drumgath where told they will have to play in the intermediate c/ship with Glenn being regraded down. Gath where hoping to be in the junior to get a handy run and a bit of silverware to celebrate this i know as i was told by a current county and gath panellist.


Complete Bullshit

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Quote from: Bacon on March 06, 2008, 08:06:04 AM
Drumgath have applied to be regraded from Junior to Intermediate while Ballyvarley have applied to be regraded in the other direction. Decisions will be taken next week.

Drumgath have a case and it's good to see a club taking the initiative. It's nonsense to have a club drop from Senior to Junior in a year. They would have walked the JFC


Well if you call talking face to face with a red headed forward about the possibility off relegation to div 4 before all the crap with the appeals and them wanting into the junior championship to Quote "get silverware about the club and get a run in ULSTER to bring the players and the feel good factor back as this year was a bad year for the club  ". then i have taken it in the wrong context to that point i am truely sorry ;) ::)  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on March 07, 2008, 02:46:30 PM
Off the laces, If you believe everything that Packie tells you you will have plenty to write about. Its patently obvious that he was winding you up. If you know the lad well at all, you should have caught on to that !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on March 07, 2008, 03:11:48 PM
Quote from: off the laces on March 07, 2008, 11:49:17 AM
Well if you call talking face to face with a red headed forward about the possibility off relegation to div 4 before all the crap with the appeals and them wanting into the junior championship to Quote "get silverware about the club and get a run in ULSTER to bring the players and the feel good factor back as this year was a bad year for the club  ". then i have taken it in the wrong context to that point i am truely sorry ;) ::)  ;)

The view of one player may not reflect the view of the club committee. My original post on Drumgrath is based on the facts.

Quote from: Lecale2 on March 07, 2008, 09:14:19 AM
The Meath match is a must win for Down and it will be a tough one. For the big games you need your best team on the pitch. McGarry's injury made it that bit easier for Jingo. I think Ballygalget made a mistake leaving him out 2 yrs ago v Ports and paid the price. Had he started you would have won IMO.

How has McGarry been doing JC? I wasn't terribly impressed in the senior semi final.

As for Magic, I agree with lecale, he needs to start if he's fit. A big win if they can get it. If not Div 3 beckons. That would set us back a good bit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on March 07, 2008, 04:58:01 PM
hi boys its been a long time since my last post , i am the clubs new secretary and i have been tryimg to annoy as many people as possable in a very short time, doesnt seem to be working tough.
3rd div starts this sunday , we have a very hard start away to glasdrummon.
Have to agree in principal with other predictions.
hope to see you all at the championship draw next thursday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on March 08, 2008, 01:03:17 PM
Glassdrumman V St John Bosco - glasdrumman by 6

Ardglass V Saul - ardglass by 2

Glenn V Tecconaught - glen by 4

Bredagh V St Pauls - bredagh by cricket score

Mitchels V Drumgath - drumgath by at least 12

St Micheals V Drumaness - drumaness..just

any other predictions or thoughts? 8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 08, 2008, 03:43:06 PM
I think that division 3 will be even tighter than last year with the two clubs who came down plus Bredagh, Saul and Drumgath figting it out for the top four spots
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on March 08, 2008, 04:48:25 PM
Quote from: general on March 08, 2008, 01:03:17 PM
Bredagh V St Pauls - bredagh by cricket score

General, you obviously don't know much about football in North Down, any of our games over the last few years have been tight affairs, with only a few points between the teams being the out come of the games!! i think tomorrow's match will be a lot closer than you seem to!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on March 09, 2008, 08:37:33 AM
Quote from: general on March 08, 2008, 01:03:17 PM

Bredagh V St Pauls - bredagh by cricket score


I find your lack of faith disturbing!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Fear Rua on March 09, 2008, 12:15:03 PM
You may have already seen this , but its worth the watch again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GV63nFHzDg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GV63nFHzDg)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on March 09, 2008, 04:43:12 PM
ACFL DIV3 RESULT

MITCHELS  1-9
DRUMGATH  1-17
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on March 09, 2008, 04:54:10 PM
good to see mickey get off to a winning start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mixer boy on March 09, 2008, 05:10:02 PM
ACFL DIV3 RESULT

GLENN 1-11
TECONNAUGHT 1-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 09, 2008, 06:26:03 PM
Bredagh beat St Pauls by 5 points, nerer going to be a cricket score. was a fiesty game but a wn is a win

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on March 09, 2008, 06:49:48 PM
CORRECTION Sq Ball.
Actual score Bredagh 1:12 St Pauls 1:5.

Bredagh had a 9pt half time adv with a strong wind.  The expected St Pauls wind assisted comeback was good and they got the margin down to 4, then the breeze eased. 
Inmature indiscipline by the Pauls No13 (sent off) didn't help Pauls cause, I still think Bredagh had enough in the tank to counter whatever Pauls produced.  Bredagh should of had a goal in the last 5 mins, the Pauls keeper knew nothing about the 1st shot but made a super save on the 2nd.

Good entertaining 1st game of the season but a lot of rust evident in both sides.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bareass on March 09, 2008, 07:09:45 PM
Saul beaten by about 10.
Had chances to build a lead in the 1st half when they had the wind but missed a couple of good goal opportunities. Ardglass steam rolled them in the 2nd half. No matter what is wriiten on this board so far about league predictions Saul are going to struggle big time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on March 09, 2008, 07:26:31 PM
Ardglass 2-10 Saul 1-4
St Michaels 1-7 Drumaness 3-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 09, 2008, 07:27:30 PM
Think that's a bit harsh An Duin Abu.There are plenty of committed Gaels in St Pauls and I want to see them prosper.There are,however, a number of tossers on their senior team who are all mouth and trousers but no ability. The worst culprit was the corner back wearing 21. However, I have it on good authority he's an Armagh man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on March 09, 2008, 08:02:54 PM
Quote from: An Duin Abu on March 09, 2008, 07:22:08 PM
St Paul's are on their way out. Watched them today and they were guilty of some unsavoury incidents to say the least. Football always wins in the end, unfortunately for St Paul's it's something they're not capable of playing. Their intimidation of a young corner forward just out of minor does nothing for our game. Alas they were never capable of bringing players through the underage system so I suppose they wouldn't know an awful lot about developing players and how young fellas confidence etc can be affected. Jack it in now lads , give your pitch to your friends in the local cricket or rugby club and bow out gracefully, Cumann Lutchleas Gael don't need your sort of behaviour in our association!




Stop whinging, it was a tough game but Bredagh gave as good as they got.  Jody Gormley is hardly a saint.  Bredagh started the row that got the At Paul's player sent off.  St Paul's where coming back and where trying to take a quick free but the Bredagh player wouldn't give the ball back.  Then players from both sides got involved.  How he managed to single out a St Paul's player I don't know.  St Paul's where nieve as every time they won a free a Bredagh player started a row and the St Paul's players reacted.  The ref should have been moving the ball forward 10 yards instead of hoping the ball but St Paul's need to look at there discipline.  Should have been 15 minutes of injury time in the second half for all the time wasting going on with trainers coming on with the magic sponge every 2 minutes for another major 'injury'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on March 09, 2008, 08:08:08 PM
Glasdrumman 2.15 Bosco 1.8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: overcarrying on March 09, 2008, 08:31:35 PM
Maiden1 I have no idea what game you were watching, it certainly wasn't the same one as me,  a few of the St Paul's team should have walked, thon doirty wee git that was sent off should have went for a blatant punch on the back of the head on a Bredagh defender, then another one  punched the same defender three times on the back of the head and got a yellow!!!!, Football won the day. Bredagh seemed to have a few younger players on and a larger squad than last year. Not sure about intimidation of the corner forward, its senior football and its tough, a good player who scored  a few well taken frees

I stayed to see the friendly after that senior game, this was entertaining and Bredagh thirds beat St Pauls seconds, again  there were a few younger Bredagh players on display, all seems well on the Ormeau road,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on March 09, 2008, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: An Duin Abu on March 09, 2008, 07:22:08 PM
St Paul's are on their way out. Watched them today and they were guilty of some unsavoury incidents to say the least. Football always wins in the end, unfortunately for St Paul's it's something they're not capable of playing. Their intimidation of a young corner forward just out of minor does nothing for our game. Alas they were never capable of bringing players through the underage system so I suppose they wouldn't know an awful lot about developing players and how young fellas confidence etc can be affected. Jack it in now lads , give your pitch to your friends in the local cricket or rugby club and bow out gracefully, Cumann Lutchleas Gael don't need your sort of behaviour in our association!





Thank you very much...One sided blinkered take on todays incidents that don't even deserve reponse. ::)  Where you the referee by any chance.

Bredagh where indeed worthy winners.  We had them on the rack just after our goal, but the sending off killed us.  As usual our heads dropped and we basically through the towel in.  Our coach was most disappointed with this fact rather than the loss. 

But we will regroup at training this week and move forward.  Cuman Luthcleas Gael will have to put up with us for a while longer..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 09, 2008, 08:51:36 PM
Quote from: An Duin Abu on March 09, 2008, 07:22:08 PM
St Paul's are on their way out. Watched them today and they were guilty of some unsavoury incidents to say the least. Football always wins in the end, unfortunately for St Paul's it's something they're not capable of playing. Their intimidation of a young corner forward just out of minor does nothing for our game. Alas they were never capable of bringing players through the underage system so I suppose they wouldn't know an awful lot about developing players and how young fellas confidence etc can be affected. Jack it in now lads , give your pitch to your friends in the local cricket or rugby club and bow out gracefully, Cumann Lutchleas Gael don't need your sort of behaviour in our association!





There any many fine people involved in keeping Bredagh going through thick and thin and then there's c***ts like you that give the whole club a bad name.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 09, 2008, 08:58:47 PM
Passedit

i think he was referring to St pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 09, 2008, 09:27:09 PM
Quote give your pitch to your friends in the local cricket or rugby club and bow out gracefully, Cumann Lutchleas Gael don't need your sort of behaviour in our association!

I was aware of that square ball, he's a disgrace to a fine club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on March 09, 2008, 09:56:18 PM
Quote from: An Duin Abu on March 09, 2008, 07:22:08 PM
St Paul's are on their way out. Watched them today and they were guilty of some unsavoury incidents to say the least. Football always wins in the end, unfortunately for St Paul's it's something they're not capable of playing. Their intimidation of a young corner forward just out of minor does nothing for our game. Alas they were never capable of bringing players through the underage system so I suppose they wouldn't know an awful lot about developing players and how young fellas confidence etc can be affected. Jack it in now lads , give your pitch to your friends in the local cricket or rugby club and bow out gracefully, Cumann Lutchleas Gael don't need your sort of behaviour in our association!

what intimidation of the corner forward, i was watching the game very closely and i didnt see anything of the sort!! what i saw today was a very hard fought local derby, by 2 very rusty teams, with Bredagh's free taking the winning of the game for them, along with our constant need to keep kicking the ball directly to the opposition. if you want to talk about intimidation, some of your supporters, in fact your umpires, wanna learn to keep their mouths shut, instead of threatening to come on to the pitch and 'sock someone in the mouth'. men of their age would need to take a look at themselves and grow up a bit!!

as for people being sent of, the Bredagh corner back should have walked for his judas like rugby tackle on one of our men which led to the bout of handbags, and as was stated before, the ref did well to spot just our man guilty of a foul!! he was definately not the only one!!

Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 09, 2008, 07:27:30 PM
There are,however, a number of tossers on their senior team who are all mouth and trousers but no ability. The worst culprit was the corner back wearing 21. However, I have it on good authority he's an Armagh man.

there were a number of these 'tossers' on both teams today, bredagh's no 14 being the biggest one, but as for ability, our no 21 has more ability than most of the people that were on that pitch!! and does it matter what county he is from, there are plenty of others like him in Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 10, 2008, 12:39:29 AM
Im in Australia at the moment so its great to see all the Division 3 results being posted. Keep it up. I seen the Saul result there. I heard that Donnie Ritchie (there best player in myopinion) has put in for a transfer to Kilclief. Anybody heard about this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 10, 2008, 09:34:02 AM
  Ritchie is injured at the minute but I wouldn't expect to see him wearing a S*ul jersey ever again.  He doesn't seem to enjoy playing with the current squad at all.

  Kilclief have never approached him and as far as I know the S*ul chairman told him he'll never get a transfer out.  He is good mates with a few Kilclief boys so I can see how it might look.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pull Hard Hes No Relation on March 10, 2008, 10:59:13 AM
Good win for the senior hurlers yesterday was at the game and the new spirit within the team was clearly evident to see. Best wishes to Simon Wilson who dislocated his knee after falling awkwardly when fielding a high ball in the second half.

Down were full value for their win with Graham not having to make a save of note during the game although Mr Devlin did his best to keep the game close with his usual succession of "soft" frees to the opposition! Down were slow out of the blocks again despite playing with a strong breeze and this bad habit is going to catch them out shortly if it's not addressed. Big Magic was having a field day in the 1st half, great to have the big eejit back as he is some hurler when he wants to be. As usual he flipped throughout the game between being genuine All Star material and junior B hurler. The difference in the Down attack with both himself and Dule back on board is clearly evident and I really am optimistic of a real rattle at the Christy Ring this year.

Defence was solid in terms of keeping it tight at the back with Paddy Hughes hurling very well and big Kieran had another solid game despite taking a bad knock when the Meath centre forward was red carded for pulling across his face in the first half. Ball was about three yards away when the pull occurred and the fact Kieran required three stitches despite wearing a full mask helmet sums up the filth of the pull.

Simon was also having a good game at wing back before having to go off although his distribution leaves a lot to be desired at times, chasing his own score instead of feeding Magic who was roasting the full back. Gabrial Clarke was getting a roasting until Kieran's man was sent off after which he switched to play as the free man. Was surprised at the choice of free man as I'd have utilised either Kieran or Brendan in that role as both are more mobile than Gabrial but it worked out okay.

The extra man seemed to work against Down at times as Gabrial played in front of the full back line but Down's marking around the middle of the field became very loose and Meath started to dominate here despite a solid hour from Andy Savage, Ciaran Coulter wasn't' great with his first touch being very poor, he is a lot better hurler than that so not sure of it was "nerves" in trying too hard to secure his place.

Big Ruari had his usual game of some good things and then some mad things that an U12 wouldn't do but this is now becoming the norm for the big man while Dule had a good game despite being out of sorts a bit in the first half when Down switched Magic out to try and win some more possession during the final ten minutes of the first half. Brendan McGourty was okay and had one of his quieter games would still prefer to see him at midfield as I think this is his more natural position but we struggled for long periods to win primary possession from puck outs particularly in the later part of both halves.

Full forward line was our best line, great performance from big Magic while Conor Woods had a great game and I was surprised to see him being taken off in the final 10 minutes but he set up the first goal and took his point very well. Haven't always being Stephen Clarke's biggest fan but he hurled well yesterday and with a bit of luck could have had a couple of goals indeed the poor quality of the pitch cost Down at least three goals yesterday with players missing simple dips at the last minute when through on goal due to the bounce of the ball.

Looking at the League table this morning Down are top on score difference followed by Carlow both with five points while Derry have four points and Meath have two. Derry have to travel to Carlow yet and have Down at home next week while the best Meath can now hope for is six points. Expect Down to beat Derry next week but even if we don't a win V London would still get us seven points and in all likelihood enough to be in the top two for next year and secure our status in the new Division 2.

Vital win yesterday for hurling in the county and things seem to be progressing well under Jingo. As an aside I see the South Down team struggled to beat Cavan yesterday with the introduction of Eoin Mc Guinness and Jonny Mc Cusker changing the game, when you consider that Newry Shamrocks beat Cavan by 30 points last year without Kieran, Eoin or Artie it puts the South Down performance into context! Some questions need to start to be asked about the selections on this team with fine young hurlers like Alan Higgins etc left on the sidelines while guys of 35 who play for Junior clubs and wouldn't get a game at the likes of Shamrocks, Liatriom or Bredagh starting. With no Bredagh players on the team and the likes of Eoin and Jonny being left on the sideline you have to ask real questions, I know people will say that the two lads weren't at training but both have commitments at college etc and that needs to be taken into consideration as well. The South Down idea is a good concept but it should be used to blood young players as a feeder to the Senior team which is not happening at the moment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on March 10, 2008, 11:40:35 AM
Pull hard, i was talking to Jonny McCusker on saturday, and he wasnt a happy man about the way hes being treated. He spoke about his committments at Jordanstown and how it was impossible for him to fit in all his training. I think he was hoping for a bit of leeway with the South Down team training but got none !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on March 10, 2008, 02:49:00 PM
Team        Played   Won   Drew   Lost   GF   PF   GA   PA   Diff   Pts      
Glasdrumman   1   1   0   0   2   15   1   8   10   2         
Ardglass        1   1   0   0   2   10   1   4   9   2      
Drumgath        1   1   0   0   1   17   1   9   8   2            
Bredagh        1   1   0   0   1   12   1   5   7   2      
Drumaness        1   1   0   0   3   7   1   7   6   2            
Glenn        1   1   0   0   1   11   1   10   1   2      
Carryduff        0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0            
Tec'aught        1   0   0   1   1   10   1   11   -1   0      
St. Michael's    1   0   0   1   1   7   3   7   -6   0         
St. Paul's        1   0   0   1   1   5   1   12   -7   0      
Mitchels        1   0   0   1   1   9   1   17   -8   0            
Saul        1   0   0   1   1   4   2   10   -9   0         
Bosco        1   0   0   1   1   8   2   15   -10   0

Glassdrumman   2-15   St John Bosco   1-8         
Ardglass   2-10   Saul    1-4         
Glenn   1-11   Teconnaught   1-10         
Bredagh   1-12   St Pauls   1-5         
Mitchels   1-9   Drumgath   1-17         
St Micheals   1-7   Drumaness   3-7         
Carryduff   Bye      
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on March 10, 2008, 03:05:51 PM
Best site to see tables

http://www.carryduffgac.com/tables/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 11, 2008, 03:12:17 PM
Any fixtures in this morning's IN?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on March 11, 2008, 03:49:01 PM
Quote from: passedit on March 11, 2008, 03:12:17 PM
Any fixtures in this morning's IN?

div 3 fixtures were in irish news but i cant post them.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 11, 2008, 04:27:46 PM
Here you go lads.....

Fixtures
Division 3 Series 2 Sunday March 16th
3 00pm Throw in
Carryduff v Glasdrumman, P Brannigan
Bosco v Ardglass, M Cole
Saul v Glenn, S Lowey
Tecconnaught v Bredagh, G Brannigan
St Pauls v St Micheals, P Brownlee
Drumaness v Mitchels, L Morgan

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on March 11, 2008, 04:36:45 PM
St. Paul's Vs St. Michael's has been moved to the 2nd weekend in April, exact date still to be decided.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on March 12, 2008, 10:53:00 AM
lads, just happened to be talking to a fella about hurling in co down at present. i dont play myself so dont know a big deal about the current standard apart from watching the odd local game.

the fella i was talking to maintains that down hurling wont develop until more clubs start participating. he believes that it doesnt matter how bad the standard is, son long as clubs are actually participating the standard will gradually improve.

maybe some of the hurling posters could tell us if the co board are making any progress in promoting participation etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on March 12, 2008, 11:24:52 AM
The problem is that teams see hurling as a distraction.  If you have a small panel playing both then the injuries you can pick up + burnout can have an affect on the the other team.  It's the same reason the ard's teams no longer have a football team.  Not saying it is right or wrong just that that is the reason some teams do not play hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 12, 2008, 03:06:09 PM
Lads I think the championship draws are on tonight.  Live on 5fm around 7:30 AFAIK.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on March 12, 2008, 03:37:45 PM
championship draws are on thursday night in canal court hotel. live on 5fm - 7.30pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rois on March 12, 2008, 03:57:59 PM
Ladies championship draws were made on Mon night if anyone's interested...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 12, 2008, 05:39:23 PM
Quote from: Rois on March 12, 2008, 03:57:59 PM
Ladies championship draws were made on Mon night if anyone's interested...
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Do you have them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rois on March 12, 2008, 05:56:24 PM
I do...somewhere.  Think they're in my car. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 13, 2008, 08:16:19 AM
Championship draws tonight. How quickly can we get them posted? I'll not be down in Newry myself and can't get 5FM.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on March 13, 2008, 09:20:49 AM
unfortunately i cannot get down myself tonight to get them posted like last year, training this evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 13, 2008, 01:30:35 PM
seen the below post on hogandstand.. can anyone larify this?

Luke Toner, Eamon McConville, James Cunningham, Gavin Joyce, Ruairi Digney, kevin duffin have all been droped from the panel


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on March 13, 2008, 02:11:43 PM
Was talking to one of the lads the ohter day and though he wasn't at training the other night he said that they were all dropped yeah. Noone even bothered to tell him about it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on March 13, 2008, 02:28:14 PM
thats bollix; i know that every player that was dropped got told personally by the mgt team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 13, 2008, 02:32:33 PM

What is the url link to that post / information ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on March 13, 2008, 02:36:46 PM
Down attacker Paul McComiskey says he is committed to helping Down in this year's NFL and championship although he may travel to Brisbane next autumn.

McComiskey is being tailed by AFL clubs but he insists his education is the priority and, in the short term, he'll be around to help his native county.

"Ross (Carr) knows as well as I do that Down is my only focus," said McComiskey. "The Aussie Rules is a long, long way away, and I haven't really thought much about it.

"The only thing I have thought about is trying to get on the Down team and improve myself as a Gaelic player.

"My education is first and foremost above everything, even sport. I'd have to get that first. It's a major thing. You wouldn't want to throw it away."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 13, 2008, 06:13:46 PM
can u get 5fm on a link?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 13, 2008, 07:43:48 PM
Down Championship draws will be announced on 5FM after 8.00 News
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 13, 2008, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: umpire on March 13, 2008, 07:43:48 PM
Down Championship draws will be announced on 5FM after 8.00 News

can you get it on the internet?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on March 13, 2008, 07:51:28 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2008, 08:47:51 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 22, 2008, 08:46:10 PM
Could someone please post a link to 5fm online, Google search just throws up Pop channels
http://fivefm.co.uk/
You have to download something before the link plays.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on March 13, 2008, 08:33:13 PM
bryansford v castlewellan
ballymartin v downpatrick
ballyholland v saval
clonduff v mayobridge
burren v atticall
longstone v leitrim
loughinisland v rostrevor
killcoo v an roict
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 13, 2008, 08:39:27 PM
any intermediate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on March 13, 2008, 08:44:56 PM
bosco v glasdrumond
drumgath v carryduff
annaclone v tullylish
banbridge v warrenpoint
darracross v ardglass
dundrum v bredagh
shamrocks v saul
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 13, 2008, 08:50:14 PM
Down Powerade All Star team 2007

Liam Coulter   Mayobridge

Gavin Barry    Mayobridge
Aidan Brannigan   Kilcoo
Mark Doran      Longstone
Brendan Grant   Mayobridge   
Luke Howard   Bryansford
Eamon Quinn   Longstone

Johb Caldwell   Mayobridge
Ambrose Rodgers   Lonstone

Adrian Barry   Mayobridge
Benny Coulter   Mayobridge
Barry Doran      Longstone
Kevin McKernan   Burren   
Ronan Sexton   Mayobridge
Micheal Walsh   Mayobridge


Powerade Senior Championship Draw
Bryansford v Caatlewellan
Ballymartin  v Downpatrick
Ballyholland v Saval
Clonduff v Mayobridge
Burren v Attical
Longstone v Liatriom
Loughinisland v Rostrevor
Kilcoo v An Riocht

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on March 13, 2008, 09:49:00 PM
junior championship

glenn V st michaels qualifying round, winner to play achaderg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 14, 2008, 07:37:08 AM
POWERADE SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
Roinn 1
1 Ath Bhriain V Caislean an Mhuillin
2 Baile Ui Mhairtin V Dun Padraig
3 Baile Cholmain V Sabhaill
4 Cluain Daimh V Droichead Mhaigh Eo
5 Boireann V Ait ti Chathaill
6 Cloch Fhada V Liatroim
7 Loch an Oileain V Caislean Ruairi
8 Cill Chua v An Riocht

AROUND-A-POUND
INTERMEDIATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
Roinn 1
1 Naomh Eoin V Glasdromainn
2 Droim Gath V Ceathru Aodha Dhuibh
3 Eanach Cluana V Tulach Lis
4 Clann na Banna V Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
5 Cros Darach V Ard Ghlais
6 Dun Droma V Breadach
7 Ti Chonnachta V Cill Cleithe
8 Seamrogai an Iuir v Naomh Padraig


JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
(a) Achadh Droim Bearach V Breachtain
(b) Lios na Finne V Naomh Eoin
(c) Gleann V Naomh Michil

Roinn 1
1 Achadh Dearg V Winners (c)
2 Naomh Pol V Misteiligh an Iuir
3 Baile Choinnleora V Winners (a)
4 Winners (b) V Droim an Easa


PREMIER RESERVE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

(a) Tulach Lis v Cill Cleithe
(b) Cill Chua v Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
(c) Caislean Ruairi v Ath Bhriain
(d) Eanach Cluana v Cluain Daimh
v
Roinn 1
1 Ceathtu Aodha Dhuibh Winner (d)
2 Droichead Mhaigh Eo Liatroim
3 Baile Ui Mhairtin v Dun Padraig
4 Breadach v Caislean an Mhuillin
5 Winner (a) v Boireann
6 Loch an Oileain v Winner (b)
7 Winner (c) v An Riocht
8 Sabhaill v Cloch Fhada

RESERVE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
(a) Carryduff v Droim an Easa
(b) Teconnacht v Seamrogai an Iuir
(c) Ait Tí Chathail v Dromara
(d) Darragh Cross Naomh Pol
(e) Dundrum v Glasdromainn
(f) Naomh Eoin v Naomh Michil
(g) Caislean An Mhuilinn v Droim Gath
(h) Ath Bhriain v An Riocht
(i) Cluain Daimh v Baile Cholmain
(J) Naomh Phadraig V Caislean Ruairi
(k) Ard Ghlais v Droichead Mhaigh Eo
(l) Liatroim v Clann na Banna
(m) Cill Chua v Breadach

1 Winners F V Winners M
2 Misteiligh An Iuir V Winners K
3 Winners L v Winners J
4 Winners A v Winners I
5 Winners C V Winners B
6 Winners H V Boireann
7 Naomh Eoin V Winners G
8 Winners E v Winners D

DEMOCRAT MEDIA
JUNIOR HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP
1 Baile an Mheirligh V 3. Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
2 Baile Mhic Uileagoid III V Baile Aileach
3 Breadach II V Cluain Daimh
4 Port an Phéire III V Caislean an Mhuillin

DEMOCRAT MEDIA
INTERMEDIATE HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP

(A)  Breadach V  Port An Phéire II
(B)  Seamrogai an Iuir V  Baile Mhic Uileagoid II

Roinn 1
-1 6. Cill Cleithe V 3. Liatrom
-2 Winner (B) V Winner (A)


DEMOCRAT MEDIA
SENIOR HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP
Roinn 1
1 Port An Phéire V Baile Crann
2 Baile Mhic Uileagoid V Clann na Boirce / Gael na Uibh Eochaidh

Clonduff v Mayobridge and Kilcoo v An Riocht look like the pick of the SFC 1st Rd. How come Ballymartin are playing senior?

Tough draws for Bredagh in both football and hurling. Portaferry IIs in the 1st Rd is as tough as it gets in the IHC. Paul Braniff is eligible!

Who are Clann na Boirce / Gael na Uibh Eochaidh ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 14, 2008, 08:23:35 AM
Bryansford V Castlewellan should be tasty enough in the SFC.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on March 14, 2008, 08:41:55 AM
Clonduff v Mayobridge should be tasty enough also, 2 local derby's in the 1st round should increase the excitement! Any news on when the championship starts? Heard that it could be June or as usual in August, dont know which tho!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 14, 2008, 10:16:21 AM
Down - B McVeigh; C McGovern, G McArdle, M Cole; R Murtagh, L Doyle, D Rooney; A Rogers, D Gordon; J Fegan, K McKernan, D Hughes; J Clarke, C Magee, R Sexton.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 14, 2008, 10:30:19 AM
  Pencilled in dates for championship first round are the weekends beginning 13 June, 20 June or 8 August!

  Umpire, where did you see that team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 14, 2008, 11:38:36 AM

This was on HS , So what team is it then ?
 



starting team
team v longford

1 mc veigh
2 howard
3 mc ardle
4 cole
5 turley (downpatrick)
6 doyle
7 murtagh
8 rooney
9 rodgers
10 hughes
11 sexton
12 fegan
13 clarke
14 coulter
15 mc comisky - 1st start for down

this is the team for sat named last nite... cant understand why ross wont name proper team to papers.... gordon has virus and is not fit, magee and mc govern are injured and mc kiernan and lynch dropped.

this is not far of starting champ team with only paul murphy and gordan to come back into it
down , v longford Ireland , 14/03/2008 at 10:51



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on March 14, 2008, 11:48:58 AM

Where have dan and eoin McCartan gone to?
Title: Football Championship Predictions
Post by: general on March 14, 2008, 03:04:55 PM
Football Championship Predictions

POWERADE SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
Droichead Mhaigh Eo

AROUND-A-POUND
INTERMEDIATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
Droim Gath

JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
Gleann

PREMIER RESERVE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
Cluain Daimh

RESERVE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
An Riocht
Title: Championship Predictions
Post by: amallon on March 14, 2008, 03:46:36 PM
Bryansford V Castlewellan  Ford
Ballymartin V Downpatrick  Downpatrick
Ballyholland V Saval Ballyholland
Clonduff V Mayobridge Bridge
Burren V Atticall Burren
Longstone V Leitrim Stone
Loughinisland V Rostrevor Loughinisland
Killcoo V An Roicht An Riocht

The above are all fairly tight pairings, the only formality in the round is Burren to beat Attical and maybe the Stone to overcome Leitrim.  The Bridge should be too good for Clonduff but it will be no formality. Kilcoo v the Kingdom, Ballyholland v Saval, Ballymartin v Downpatrick, Bryansford v Castlewellan and Loughinisland v Rostrevor are all toss ups.  The Bridge Clonduff game is supposed to be the weekend after the game in Omagh.  Anyone confirm?

Bosco V Glasdrumond Glasdumond
Drumgath V Carryduff Drumgath
Annaclone V Tullylish Clone
Banbridge V Warrenpoint Point
Daraghcross V Ardglass Cross
Dundrum V Bredagh Dundrum
Shamrocks V Saul Shamrocks


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 14, 2008, 05:22:18 PM
Bryansford V Castlewellan  Bryansford
Ballymartin V Downpatrick  Downpatrick
Ballyholland V Saval Saval
Clonduff V Mayobridge Bridge
Burren V Atticall Burren
Longstone V Liatriom Liatriom
Loughinisland V Rostrevor Loughinisland
Killcoo V An Roicht An Riocht

I expect Bryansford to biggest danger to Bridge's crown.

Bosco V Glasdrumond Glasdumond
Drumgath V Carryduff Drumgath
Annaclone V Tullylish Clone
Banbridge V Warrenpoint Point
Daraghcross V Ardglass  Ardglass
Dundrum V Bredagh Bredagh
Shamrocks V Saul Shamrocks

Drumgath and Annaclone have a good chance to win Intermediate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 14, 2008, 08:06:22 PM
Downredblack's team looks the right one to me, and I hope the days of releasing misleading line-ups will soon be over. We are obviously getting closer to the championship side, but it is difficult to see Sexton as a CHF. McKernan may benefit from a rest, and still looks our best bet for the position. The indications are that, barring injuries, Walsh will not feature this year. This is a pity, but his performances have generally not reflected his potential so he cannot really complain.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 14, 2008, 08:18:16 PM
I will wait and see closer to the dats of the championships to see who is doing what.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 14, 2008, 11:27:31 PM
Umpire, whilst the Bryansford squad on paper is certainly as good as anyone else's in the SFC, playing Division II football will blunt their edge severly and I'd be surprised if they get within 5 points of Castlewelllan in the first round, let alone challenge for the title. They just won't have the intensity required. Longstone, Loughinisland and Burren are the only clubs with a smell of a chance of dethroning the 'Bridge, and they would all need a lot of luck with regards injuries and travelling students to take that chance.

In the Intermediate, to even mention Drumgath and Annaclone in the same breath represents a serious injustice to the latter. Annaclone are head and shoulders above everyone else in this competition. They're a senior team playing in a weaker than average intermediate championship. If Shamrocks can revitalise some of their older guard (that's a big if), they would at least make a competition of it, but them apart, only a full-strength Darragh Cross meeting a travels-weakened Annaclone in one of the earlier rounds could stop the cup going to Gaelic Park. 'Clone minus their five best players would still be too strong for over half the competitors.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on March 15, 2008, 03:48:03 PM
Eoin is still recovering from a bad operation, was on crutches for quite a while

Not so sure about Dan but would think he is injured as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 15, 2008, 07:03:53 PM
According to 5FM the Down team is as follow

1 McVeigh; 

17 Howard,    3 G McArdle,    4 M Cole; 
19 P Turley,    6 L Doyle,                   5 R Murtagh;   

      7 D Rooney,    9 A Rogers,;   

10 J Fegan,    15 R Sexton,    12 D Hughes;   
13 J Clarke,    22 B Coulter,    23 P Mc Comiskey


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 15, 2008, 07:20:52 PM
6 Mins
McComisky fouled
John Fegan free
Down 0.1 Longford 0.1

10 mins
Daniel Hughes P
11 Mins
Daniel Hughes P
Down 0.3 Longford 0.1
12 Mins
Kevin Mulligan P
Down 0.3 Longford 0.2
13 Mins
Ronan Murtagh P
Down 0.4 Longford 0.2
14 Mins
Ronan Sexton P
Down 0.5 Longford 0.2
16 Mins
Yellow Card  Ronan Murtagh
16 Mins
Longford p
Down 0.5 Longford 0.3
17 Mins
Daniel Hughes P
Down 0.6 Longford 0.3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 15, 2008, 07:38:39 PM
22 Mins
Ronan Murtagh P
Down 0.7 Longford 0.3
24 Mins
Benny Coulter P
Down 0.8 Longford 0.3
25 Mins
Longford P
Down 0.8 Longford 0.4
29 Mins
John Fegan P
Down 0.9 Longford 0.4
30 Mins
Yellow card Luke Howard
32 Mins
Longford P
Down 0.9 Longford 0.5
33 Mins
John Fegan P
Down 0.10 Longford 0.5
35 Mins
Longford P
Down 0.10 Longford 0.6
HALF TIME
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 15, 2008, 08:28:06 PM
36 Mins
Longford P
Down 0.10 Longford 0.7
37 Mins
Longford P
Down 0.10 Longford 0.8
37 Mins
Longford P
Down 0.10 Longford 0.9
39 Mins
Longford P
Down 0.10 Longford 0.10
40 Mins
McComisky P
Down 0.11 Longford 0.10
41 Mins
Sub Damian Rafferty for Luke Howard
42 Mins
Longford P
Down 0.11 Longford 0.11
43 Mins
Sub Daniel McCartan for Gary McArdle
44 Mins
Longford P
Down 0.11 Longford 0.12
45 Mins
Rafferty (Not sure)  P
Down 0 .12 Longford 0.12
50 Mins
Benny Coulter P
Down 0.13 Longford 0.12
51 Mins
Benny Coulter P
Down 0.14 Longford 0.12
55 Mins
Longford P
Down 0.14 Longford 0.13
58 Mins
Benny Coulter P
Down 0.15 Longford 0.13
59 Mins
Yellow Card Benny Coulter
60 Mins
Kevin McKernan for Peter Turley
Dan Gordon for Ambrose Rodgers
61 Mins
Longford P
Down 0.15 Longford 0.14
62 Mins
Longford P
Down 0.15 Longford 0.15
63 Mins
Paul McCumisky P
Down 0.16 Longford 0.15
64 Mins
John Clarke P
Down 0.17 Longford 0.15
65 Mins
Benny Coulter P
Down 0.18 Longford 0.15
65 Mins
Stephen Kearney for John Fegan
67 Mins
Longford P
Down 0.18  Longford 0.16
68 Mins
Benny Coulter P
Down 0.19 Longford 0.16
70 Mins
Final Score
Down 0.19  Longford 0.16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 15, 2008, 08:31:30 PM
Many thanks for that Umpire, it's much appreciated. Good to see the likes of Rafferty and Kearney returning from injury. Good to hear Coulter is rattling over the points too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 15, 2008, 09:35:57 PM
Down lived dangerously at the back tonight but came good in the last 5 mins to close the game out.  The looked in control at half time but Longford really put it up to them at the start of the second half and dominated the first 15 odd minutes.  It was nip and tuck until the last 5 when Down either upped it a gear or Longford ran out of puff.  I felt sorry for Luke Howard he had a good enough first 20 but went to peices in the last 10 of the first half and continued this form in the second until he was taken off.  Dan McCartan looked good when he came on, as did Gordan. Ambrose did well but was taken off, maybe just not 100% fit.  Why do we persit in kicking frees back to the keeper when the ball is in our centre half back position? Keckel and Hyde again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 16, 2008, 12:59:00 AM
The game turned on the moment midway through the second half when Longford, who were dominating at the time, scrambled a shot against the underside of our crossbar. From where I was sitting, it looked to have bounced a foot over the line. However, the umpires were out of position and the referee was unsighted, so the Down defence cleared the ball and we got out of jail.

It was a patchy performance, but we at least finished strongly, showed some self-belief and yet again relied on our fitness to see us through. It was such a dreadful night for football that we should not be too hard on the players, although our full-back line throughout and our full-forwards, apart from the last five minutes, struggled.

McVeigh made two crucial saves but his kick-outs lacked variety and usually ended up going straight down the middle to the giant Longford no 8.

McArdle had could not cope with a stronger and faster opponent, and there was an improvement when he was replaced by McCartan. However, McCartan is not big enough for a central position and McArdle remains our best option at full back. Howard had a brilliant start but completely lost his way when the pressure was on. Cole, as usual, was steady rather than outstanding.

While Doyle made more mistakes than you would expect, he was still a class act and the second half block was out of the top drawer. Playing Murtagh alongside him is questionable, as neither is a natural defender, and switching Murtagh to the other end, where he scored two fine overlapping points, looks on the cards. Turley did reasonably well until he tired and was subbed by Rafferty, who was excellent after his long period of injury.

The midfield started fairly well but became a disaster area as Rooney, who tried hard but ran out of steam, and Ambrose, who had a bad night, collapsed against the more physical Longford pair.

Fegan and Hughes got through a huge amount of work and took their scores well, but Sexton was out of position and it showed. McKernan only came on late and is still learning at this level but is the closest we have to a CHB at this stage.

The full forwards had a difficult time, and Benny looked short on fitness and confidence until he came good in the closing minutes. Clarke also finished strongly after barely touching the ball for most of the game and McComiskey's quality was only seen in flashes.

It was a question of grinding out a result, in a game we would have lost last year, but we are capable of beating Leitrim and Limerick to set up what could be a promotion decider against Fermanagh in the last match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 16, 2008, 11:48:03 AM
I thought we were coasting going in at half time but Longford came out well after half time and really put it up to Down . Their number 13 kicked some fine frees especially the one over on the touch line in the first half .
Benny and Ronan Sexton switch with 10 to go worked well and we got the scores we needed to get over the line . Great to see Dee Rafferty back and Dan McCartan did rightly as well . 19-16 in them conditions people that weren't there might ask was there a tackle made all night by either team . At least we had no goals against (just about).

What about Ronny's dummy and chip into the hand ??  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 16, 2008, 03:57:12 PM
Bredagh 9-5 up at half time against Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 16, 2008, 04:30:26 PM
Full time

Bredagh 0-13  Teconnaught 1-07

seems like a fiesty game, maybe someone who was there will post a report
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 16, 2008, 05:04:39 PM
Carryduff bate by three
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mixer boy on March 16, 2008, 05:45:36 PM
SAUL 4-10
GLENN 1-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on March 16, 2008, 07:14:41 PM
Quote from: passedit on March 16, 2008, 05:04:39 PM
Carryduff bate by three

do you know the score passedit?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on March 16, 2008, 07:38:21 PM
How'd you go St Pauls? 
I got two confilicting report from C'duff, one said they lost by3 the other by 2.  Either way seems Glasdrumman rolled them over at home.  This must install Glasdrumman as favourites?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on March 16, 2008, 08:14:41 PM
D'NESS 0-12 MITCHELS 0-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on March 16, 2008, 08:34:24 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on March 16, 2008, 07:38:21 PM
How'd you go St Pauls? 
I got two confilicting report from C'duff, one said they lost by3 the other by 2.  Either way seems Glasdrumman rolled them over at home.  This must install Glasdrumman as favourites?

didn't play today, our game against St. Michael's has been moved to the 13th April.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on March 16, 2008, 08:57:59 PM
worst performance iv ever seen from a Glenn team today, absolutely awful!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on March 16, 2008, 10:24:38 PM
BREDAGH 1-10 TECONNAGHT 1-07

Two lapses in discipline from Bredagh palyers nearly cost them dear a game they were coasting for much of the match.
Early on Muldoon was red carded for an off the ball incident - he was provoked, but took the bait and Branigan had no option but to send him to the line. Earlier Brian Rice 1-1, McKenna 0-2, E Gormley 0-2 and C Toland 0-1 had all scored to put them into a comfortable 5 point halftime lead.
Second half, and against the wind, Bredagh made light of their lack of numbers and went into a 7 point lead with 10 to go - then the red mist decended again and Robinson got his marching orders from the ref, who in fairness hadn't done enough to protect him on several occasions.
Bredagh held on despite a late 1-1 to record a valuable win. Jody Gormley was man of the match - back in his best position - CHB.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 17, 2008, 09:14:18 AM
Quote from: An Duin Abu on March 09, 2008, 07:22:08 PM
St Paul's are on their way out. Watched them today and they were guilty of some unsavoury incidents to say the least. Football always wins in the end, unfortunately for St Paul's it's something they're not capable of playing. Their intimidation of a young corner forward just out of minor does nothing for our game. Alas they were never capable of bringing players through the underage system so I suppose they wouldn't know an awful lot about developing players and how young fellas confidence etc can be affected. Jack it in now lads , give your pitch to your friends in the local cricket or rugby club and bow out gracefully, Cumann Lutchleas Gael don't need your sort of behaviour in our association!

Tut tut two men sent off for boxing and lecale4 condoning their behaviour, I expect An Duin Abu and the rest of his knitting circle will along in a minute with forthright condemnation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on March 17, 2008, 09:33:03 AM
Quote from: lecale4 on March 16, 2008, 10:24:38 PM
BREDAGH 1-10 TECONNAGHT 1-07

Two lapses in discipline from Bredagh palyers nearly cost them dear a game they were coasting for much of the match.
Early on Muldoon was red carded for an off the ball incident - he was provoked, but took the bait and Branigan had no option but to send him to the line. Earlier Brian Rice 1-1, McKenna 0-2, E Gormley 0-2 and C Toland 0-1 had all scored to put them into a comfortable 5 point halftime lead.
Second half, and against the wind, Bredagh made light of their lack of numbers and went into a 7 point lead with 10 to go - then the red mist decended again and Robinson got his marching orders from the ref, who in fairness hadn't done enough to protect him on several occasions.
Bredagh held on despite a late 1-1 to record a valuable win. Jody Gormley was man of the match - back in his best position - CHB.

Poor Bredagh players provoked....Never your fault is it!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 17, 2008, 09:44:26 AM
Here N Pol, piss off. One person gloating at a time please. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on March 17, 2008, 09:45:37 AM
you two boys are up early this morning, starting the session early i take it?  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 17, 2008, 09:59:17 AM
I am concerned that before 10 is early in your world mate, you need to get a real job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on March 17, 2008, 10:15:09 AM
Quote from: passedit on March 17, 2008, 09:59:17 AM
I am concerned that before 10 is early in your world mate, you need to get a real job.

it's early for a bank holiday!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 17, 2008, 10:33:16 AM
I was wondering why it was quiet around here today. No bank holidays is this neck of the woods
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 17, 2008, 10:34:10 AM
 St Paul's are having a chat among themelves here.Paddy's Day in North Down must be pretty sad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 17, 2008, 10:38:50 AM
I'm in work wobbller and a long way from North Down. What's your excuse?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on March 17, 2008, 05:36:47 PM
Passedit,

Heard a quote attributed to your manger talking to one of our boys. Went something like this "don't know what Bredagh ever did to St Paul's but boy do they absolutely hate your lot".
I don't understand where this depth of venom comes from.  Bredagh have a soft spot for SP and would never consider them rivals, more like cousins from down the road operating in circumstance similar to ourselves.

The fact that we win all the crunch matches between us, albeit narrowly, ought not be a source of conflict.  Instead this should be a celebration of how far east-east down football has come.  All credit to St Pauls.  Its not that long ago when any good minor team would have easily beaten St Pauls seniors.  Keep at it.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on March 17, 2008, 05:54:37 PM
Thanks for all the St Paul's comment - just to put you straight on a couple of things:

1. You don't need to feel sorry for us - we won - with 13 men - that's 2 out of 2 - early days but we're happy enough.

2. I don't condone the boys who got sent off - they were naive, foolish, and yes, a bit unlucky. They could have cost us the game. The ref unfortunately saw us committing misdemeanors and missed a couple of Teconnaght ones - you win some you lose some.

It was an honest report as I saw it - didn't mean to upset you boys from Holywood. We don't mind you - you seem to have a problem with us.

Someone recently compared the 3 N Down teams (C'duff, Bredagh & St Pauls) to Newcastle, Sunderland and Boro. Bredagh & Duff are like Sunderland and Newcastle - no love lost - St Pauls are like Boro - nobody really cares to much!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Duin Abu on March 17, 2008, 07:29:25 PM
Quote from: passedit on March 17, 2008, 09:14:18 AM
Quote from: An Duin Abu on March 09, 2008, 07:22:08 PM
St Paul's are on their way out. Watched them today and they were guilty of some unsavoury incidents to say the least. Football always wins in the end, unfortunately for St Paul's it's something they're not capable of playing. Their intimidation of a young corner forward just out of minor does nothing for our game. Alas they were never capable of bringing players through the underage system so I suppose they wouldn't know an awful lot about developing players and how young fellas confidence etc can be affected. Jack it in now lads , give your pitch to your friends in the local cricket or rugby club and bow out gracefully, Cumann Lutchleas Gael don't need your sort of behaviour in our association!

Tut tut two men sent off for boxing and lecale4 condoning their behaviour, I expect An Duin Abu and the rest of his knitting circle will along in a minute with forthright condemnation
There would appear to be an inference here that I am affiliated to Bredagh. Can a neutral not watch a game and comment on this site without being accused of something of which they are entirely innocent?. I think someone's wearing blinkered glasses!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on March 17, 2008, 07:47:31 PM
Quote from: An Duin Abu on March 17, 2008, 07:29:25 PM
blinkered glasses!

Interesting concept - correct your sight, but at the same time limit it's scope.
Sounds like a pretty deep metaphor!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 17, 2008, 08:51:08 PM
I'm glad An Duin abu has suggested he is not a Bredagh man as I had come to the same conclusion .
As one of the 'knitting circle' can I remind passedit that I praised the club but highlighted an attitude that some of their players have developed about Bredagh.I played against St Pauls many times in the early 80s and know some of the founder members- true believers, as Joe Brolly would say.However, when I came up against them in the early noughties, there was a change among some of their players-they obviously had Bredagh down as 'the enemy' and a lot of petty verbals,nothing to do with GAA, came from some players who should know better.
That aside,I still wish St Pauls well, and hope they finish in the top three in Division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 17, 2008, 09:18:54 PM
Yes,the top four play off but there are only two teams in Division Three that I prefer over St Pauls.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 17, 2008, 09:33:59 PM
Jody Gormley is playing great stuff at CHB for Bredagh.He plays hard but fair and uses his brain- like Enda at FF- to make up for the miles on the clock.In the 95 AIF he was the only one other than Canavan to score for Tyrone.I'm not surprised he has done well with Antrim as what you get is what you see. Bredagh are lucky to have GAA men like Jody and Enda move to their area and help nurture the next generation.I hope people like Stevie Mulvenna do the same for St Pauls .Bredagh are well worth seeing, particularly as you can see them at home for free- presumably, the only club in Down that can't lift gate money.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 17, 2008, 09:43:50 PM
I think one of the Newry clubs are in a similar position to us 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on March 17, 2008, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 17, 2008, 09:43:50 PM
I think one of the Newry clubs are in a similar position to us 

and which one would that be?

i don't know where the manager got that idea, i personally see it as a healthy rivalry. i myself see ourselves, Bredagh and Carryduff as three cousins, if you like, keepiing Gaelic Games going in North Down. being a member of the committee i know hard it is like to keep a club going in an area like ours. being from a large South Armagh club, it is easy to keep going due the fact it is the centre of the community, but in Holywood it is a lot harder due to several factors not seen at home, and i am sure it is the same with the other 2 clubs.

i think this rivalry has stemmed from playing each other so many times over the years, where as there isn't the same with Carryduff as the have always been a league higher than either of us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mhic Easmuint on March 17, 2008, 09:51:10 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 17, 2008, 10:09:56 PM
Quote from: stpauls on March 17, 2008, 09:50:33 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 17, 2008, 09:43:50 PM
I think one of the Newry clubs are in a similar position to us 

and which one would that be?

i don't know where the manager got that idea, i personally see it as a healthy rivalry. i myself see ourselves, Bredagh and Carryduff as three cousins, if you like, keepiing Gaelic Games going in North Down. being a member of the committee i know hard it is like to keep a club going in an area like ours. being from a large South Armagh club, it is easy to keep going due the fact it is the centre of the community, but in Holywood it is a lot harder due to several factors not seen at home, and i am sure it is the same with the other 2 clubs.

i think this rivalry has stemmed from playing each other so many times over the years, where as there isn't the same with Carryduff as the have always been a league higher than either of us.

remember going there last year and there was a bucket at the entrance to the pitch, nearlr sure it was a public pitch like Cherryvale
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on March 17, 2008, 11:24:25 PM
Sounds like Newry Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on March 18, 2008, 09:26:38 AM
jesus lads the div 3/div 4 permanent slagging session going for pages is not much craic; can we change the subject?

no report on the down match / any latest on new club managers / any previews of div 1 or 2?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 18, 2008, 10:13:59 AM
Here is how i saw the Down game agaisnt Longford.

Its great to be winning or to get a win even these days so id feel a bit shitty complaining or nit picking but anyways.
We should ahve had the game dead and buried at half time with the amount of posession we had in first half, we owned the ball and yet only just lead goin in at the break. When Longford came out they suddenly saw the dorr was still left open for them and took full advantage due largely to the excellence of brian kavanagah who was a class act throughout. Suddenly we are pegged back and the games is a draw with time running out.

it was very hard to pick out anyone that played above the average or stood out, but notable mentions must go to Ronan Sexton who continues to kep his ead down, sleeves rolled up and gets mucked into all facets of the game no matter what is asked of him. Also return of Ronan Murtagh to a somewhat impotent half back line was welcomed although i still stand by my original assumption, he aint a half back and shouldnt be asked to play there. John Clarke is a rarity in that he is one of the few guys on the panel who has brains, he also oozes class and almost always produces the goods when needed most. Benny was Benny, spilled a few, was behind for a few, misjudged a few but nyet still finished with 5/6 pts to his name, not bad for nights work, match pratice should bring him on to me he still doesnt look as sharp or fit..
Comiskey is a frickin nightmare for any defender when left isolated.

Amrbose was poor but im sure he knows that himself and we all know he can be alot better and potentially devastating when on song, id still rather have him ahead of Jackie. not sure of the huge cheer in the stand was for Dan coming on or for Amrose going off. either way it was surprising to hear it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 18, 2008, 10:54:37 AM
Goldenyears, it's perhaps inevitable given that Div three is the only one that games are under way though i can see that this can look like two bald men fighting over a comb.

That said i'm going to exercise my right to reply anyway.

First off my beef is not with bredagh,  as a trawl through this thread will tell you that any comments i've ever made about the club have been positive, i certainly have no inferiority complex about them as implied as i've have had many more good days than bad ones agin them in my playing career. That's by the by though, my beef is with the disgraceful comments made by An Duin Abu regarding the St Pauls club. I don't accept that he is neutral as evidenced by his comments, i will accept though that he is not formally connected to the club and therefore is a disgrace only to himself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 18, 2008, 11:25:17 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 17, 2008, 08:51:08 PM
I'm glad An Duin abu has suggested he is not a Bredagh man as I had come to the same conclusion .
As one of the 'knitting circle' can I remind passedit that I praised the club but highlighted an attitude that some of their players have developed about Bredagh.I played against St Pauls many times in the early 80s and know some of the founder members- true believers, as Joe Brolly would say.However, when I came up against them in the early noughties, there was a change among some of their players-they obviously had Bredagh down as 'the enemy' and a lot of petty verbals,nothing to do with GAA, came from some players who should know better.
That aside,I still wish St Pauls well, and hope they finish in the top three in Division 3.

dubh, my point was that those who quick to condemn st pauls for what were minor incidents (and far from one sided) were strangely silent about two of their own men getting the line for striking. Sauce for the goose and all that. I'm a relatively recent blow in but while there is a healthy rivalry of all the games between the two clubs that i've seen or been involved in last sundays was the only one in which there was any real bad blood. Even then it was nothing much to write home about (until An duin abu started spouting shite). I will agree though that there a few at st pauls to take the rivalry a bit too seriously, maybe it's arrogant comments like this

QuoteAll credit to St Pauls.  Its not that long ago when any good minor team would have easily beaten St Pauls seniors.  Keep at it.

from onion bag who seems to have forgotten that St Pauls and Bredagh have been competing in the same division for quite a while now, or this

Quote
Someone recently compared the 3 N Down teams (C'duff, Bredagh & St Pauls) to Newcastle, Sunderland and Boro. Bredagh & Duff are like Sunderland and Newcastle - no love lost - St Pauls are like Boro - nobody really cares to much!

from Lecale 4 that wind them up.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=zIfzDyVBG_M&feature=related (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=zIfzDyVBG_M&feature=related)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 19, 2008, 01:00:22 AM
Any Bredagh posters care to shed any light on the two new players who made their debuts against Teconnaught. Eddie McKee and Peter Campbell I think they are called.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on March 19, 2008, 08:03:10 AM
I know Div 3 started early because of the extra team but when to the rest of the leagues start? The only fixtures i saw were Rd 1 etc. No dates.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rosie McCann on March 19, 2008, 08:20:47 AM
Quote from: Aristotle Flynn on March 19, 2008, 08:03:10 AM
I know Div 3 started early because of the extra team but when to the rest of the leagues start? The only fixtures i saw were Rd 1 etc. No dates.
Are there any fixtures on Easter Sunday? We are trying to arrange a ladies friendly and are not sure if we are allowed to proceed, can anyone throw any light on this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 19, 2008, 09:38:58 AM
Premier Reserve league starts on Sunday 30 March and the other football divisions start on Friday April 18.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rosie McCann on March 19, 2008, 11:26:56 AM
Quote from: No1 on March 19, 2008, 09:38:58 AM
Premier Reserve league starts on Sunday 30 March and the other football divisions start on Friday April 18.
Thanks for that No 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Forgot me Boots on March 19, 2008, 12:32:43 PM
Quote from: Rosie McCann on March 19, 2008, 08:20:47 AM
Quote from: Aristotle Flynn on March 19, 2008, 08:03:10 AM
I know Div 3 started early because of the extra team but when to the rest of the leagues start? The only fixtures i saw were Rd 1 etc. No dates.
Are there any fixtures on Easter Sunday? We are trying to arrange a ladies friendly and are not sure if we are allowed to proceed, can anyone throw any light on this?

Rosie

div 3 fixtures are on Monday at 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 19, 2008, 10:41:36 PM
Down 1-17 Antrim 0-8
Down had a fairly handy win over Antrim tonight.  The game was tight enough for the first 15 with Down taking some nice scores Antrim taking a few but missing a good few more.  Down upped it for the rest of the half and never looked back.

Cathal Magee took two great long range scores.  The full foward line of Brannigan, Kelly and McComiskey were excellent.  Kelly is good in the air and makes up for his two corner mens lack of height.  The movement up front was excellent especially Brannigan who makes so many runs its unreal.  He runs, checks, runs until the ball is delivered.

The defence never really gave Antrim a sniff, Duffin and Murney were very good.  Garvey was going well but went off injured after 25ish mins.  McKernan and Colgan did well at midfield.  Much tougher tests to come.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 20, 2008, 08:57:50 AM
Any details on the venue for the U21 Semi Final v Tyrone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 20, 2008, 09:43:16 AM
Aidan , great job on the Youtube clips , nothing like the Hill decked out in Red & Black .

What do you think of Brannigan, is he near a call up ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 20, 2008, 11:29:20 AM
Brannigan is one for the future.  He'd probably be worth his place on the senior squad but he would struggle to break into the team at the minute.  I'm not sure that McComsikey is that far ahead of Brannigan from the last 2 u21 games I've seen.  McComiskey is just slightly better and there wouldn't be room for both in the Down full forward line thats for sure.  A very gifted player and a bloody nightmare to mark.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 20, 2008, 11:42:10 AM
With Chris and Ciaran Brannigan are brilliant forward with Timmy Hanna, Conor Gribben, Conor Maginn and Shane King in Bryansford up front. They should be too good for 2nd Diviaion and Castlewellan in Championship!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on March 20, 2008, 12:12:22 PM
Down vrs Antrim U21 Championship

Down started off slowly, 2-1 for the first 15 mins. Colgan giving the ball away a lot and getting blocked down all the time along with other players. Magee got on scoreboad with a couple of almightly scores from far out!! Colgan after the first 15 mins was awesome throughout and although i havent been an admirer of the man to date, he dominated play. McComiskey was frightening last night, pacey, skilful and intelligent. How many did he score last night does anyone know?? must have been 5,6,7 from play?? Thought the whole team effort was excellent!! Full back line deserves a special mention for keeping CJ McGorty and the other 2 corner backs quiet with so much space infront!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on March 20, 2008, 12:35:38 PM
Paul McComiskey scored 9 points last night, Ryan Kelly got the goal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 20, 2008, 12:54:05 PM
9 Points!  I must have been sleeping I would have guessed 5 or 6.

Does anyone else think that attendances have gone up since the new stand has been completed?  I'm guessing there was 3000 there last night.  I think many supporters like that extra bit of comfort and a roof over their heads. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 20, 2008, 01:09:06 PM
Any word yet on where the semi is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 20, 2008, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: amallon on March 20, 2008, 12:54:05 PM
9 Points!  I must have been sleeping I would have guessed 5 or 6.

Does anyone else think that attendances have gone up since the new stand has been completed?  I'm guessing there was 3000 there last night.  I think many supporters like that extra bit of comfort and a roof over their heads.  

Attendeances have gone up for sure but that could be down to winning a few games as well as the stand . I for one have never been in it . I prefer to stand .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 20, 2008, 01:59:43 PM
I prefer to stand myself but the terrace was closed last night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 20, 2008, 02:55:50 PM
Quote from: downredblack on March 20, 2008, 01:22:44 PM
Quote from: amallon on March 20, 2008, 12:54:05 PM
9 Points!  I must have been sleeping I would have guessed 5 or 6.

Does anyone else think that attendances have gone up since the new stand has been completed?  I'm guessing there was 3000 there last night.  I think many supporters like that extra bit of comfort and a roof over their heads.  

Attendeances have gone up for sure but that could be down to winning a few games as well as the stand . I for one have never been in it . I prefer to stand .

I prefer to stand myself as I did with a small hardy crowd last night. The big crowd was in the stand as has also been the case at all Park Esler games this year which rather proves its own point. This is the memorial to the brilliant work of Club Down who for some mysterious reason have been allowed to go out of existence. County board should be tackled about this serios bit of mismanagement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on March 21, 2008, 10:17:57 PM
DOWN TYRONE U21 NEXT WED @ CASEMENT NOT SURE OF THROW IN WOULD IMAGINE 2000 THOUGH
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 22, 2008, 11:29:33 AM
Games this Monday at 1, YES 1

Fixtures: Monday 24th 1 00pm Throw in
> Division 3 Series 3
> Bosco v Carryduff Leo Smyth
> Saul v Glasdrumman G Tumelty
> Tecconnaught v Ardglass J Killen
> Drumaness v Bredagh M Curran
> Drumgath v St Micheals B Andrews

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on March 24, 2008, 02:39:24 PM
ACFL DIV3 RESULT

DRUMGATH 1-12
ST.MICHAELS 0-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 24, 2008, 04:54:37 PM
Teconnaught bt ardglass by a point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on March 24, 2008, 06:41:17 PM
Glasdrumman were beating Saul by 12 points when i left,look like they will be hard to stop this year under the watchful eye of Hugh Trainor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on March 24, 2008, 06:51:31 PM
WERE GLASDRUMMAN AT HOME?  CERTAINLY NOW THE TEAM TO BEAT

ANYONE KNOW THE ST PAULS V GLEN RESULT?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on March 24, 2008, 08:03:44 PM
st pauls v glenn rearranged for sunday 6th april due to a wedding
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 24, 2008, 10:18:49 PM
All County Football League Division III- Dé Luain 24 Marta 2008

   
Saul    0-06    2-12    Glasdrumman    
Teconnaught    1-05    0-07    Ardglass    
St Paul's    P    P    Glenn    
Drumaness    1-07    1-10    Bredagh    
Drumgath    1-12    0-07    St Michael's    

All County Football League Division III- Dé Domhnaigh 23 Marta 2008
St John Bosco    1-06    3-03    Carryduff    
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 25, 2008, 12:10:39 AM
Quote from: Caitlin on March 24, 2008, 03:11:14 PM
Bredagh beat Drumaness by 3 at a very cold and windy St Colman's Park.Jody Gormley, Peter Campbell,Henry Deazley and Shane Donnelly outstanding for the winners- super goal from Conall Toland against the wind in the second half was the difference between the teams.

agree with Caitlin, just like to add one thing, the Bredagh full backline lead by the ever reliable Paul Bradly was great
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on March 25, 2008, 09:47:00 AM
glassdrumman to go the season undefeated; drumgath up as runner up - with carryduff the only team to go close.

how early is that for a prediction! lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on March 25, 2008, 10:22:20 AM
"Carryduff to go close" - they have hardly been too impressive so far - 1 win,  1 defeat - 3-03 in their win - more like a Camogie score.
Bredagh v Drumgath this Sunday should tell a tale - Drumgath must be favourites - but you never know!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on March 25, 2008, 06:32:27 PM
GoldenYears,
Yes an early prediction and and a good one, difficult to argue with, especially Glasdrumman who, based on the first three games, are clear favourites.
 
However, the interesting thing about Div3 is that no one ever goes through it without a defeat.  Summer hols, injuries and starred games all take their toll.  Drumgath are particularly disadvantaged in this respect so Carryduff or Bredagh could pip them.

As the season goes on watch for improved performances from Saul and Bosco, famous slow starters, who will surprise a few of the fancied teams esp at home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 25, 2008, 11:02:07 PM
this weeks div fixtures

Round Four

Carryduff v Saul

Glassdrumman v Tecconnaught 

Ardglass v St Pauls 

Glenn v Drumaness

Bredagh v Drumgath 

St Micheals v Mitchels

Bye v St John Bosco

Even at this early stage there are only 3 clubs with a 100% record, Glassdrumman, Bredagh and Drumgath, and with the last two playing eachother on Sunday one will go. 






Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on March 26, 2008, 10:11:32 AM
current Division 3 league table:

Team           Pld Won Drew Lost GF PF GA PA Diff Pts
Glasdrumman   3   3   0    0     4  36   1  19 26   6
Bredagh           3   3   0    0     3  32   3  19 13   6
Drumgath   2   2   0    0     2  29   1  16 16   4
Ardglass   3   2   0    1     2  25   2  15 10   4
Drumaness   3   2   0    1     4  26   2  23 9      4
Carryduff   2   1   0    1     3  8   1  15 -1   2
Tecconnaught   3   1   0    2     3  22   1  31 -3   2
Saul           3   1   0    2     4  20   5  28 -11  2
Glenn           2   1   0    1     2  17   5  20 -12  2
St. Paul's   1   0   0    1     1  5   1  12 -7   0
Mitchels   2   0   0    2     1  15   1  29 -14  0
St. Michael's   2   0   0    2     1  14   4  19 -14  0
Bosco           3   0   0    3     2  20   5  27 -16  0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on March 26, 2008, 06:05:41 PM
DRUMGATH BE THE TEAM TO BEAT.ON PAPER THE BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE AND LINDEN APPEARS TO HAVE GOT THEM FOCUSED THIS YEAR
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on March 26, 2008, 08:18:33 PM
Any word from Casement?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 26, 2008, 08:41:00 PM
latest score from the GAA section Half Time
Tir Eoghain 0-06
Down 0-05
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 26, 2008, 08:43:02 PM
Report from 5 FM

Tyrone 0.6 Down 0.4 after Tyrone scored first 4 points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 26, 2008, 09:14:56 PM
Down were winning 11 to 8 but Tyrone now back in front 12 to 11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 26, 2008, 09:19:27 PM
Down back in front 14 to 12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 26, 2008, 09:24:56 PM
Down win by 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 26, 2008, 09:28:14 PM
Down 0.14 Tyrone 0.13
Derry 4.13 Donegal 0.7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 26, 2008, 09:36:25 PM
Mayobridge x factors auditions ( bit of a laugh)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtBV1EHpcsg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 26, 2008, 10:00:17 PM
Just back from Casement and I'm still not sure how we won that one. We could have been eight or nine behind at half-time as they had missed a penalty and a few other good chances. Down started very slowly and our defence were caught for pace all over the place. However, there is a decent spirit about the team, so we managed to keep in touch on fairly limited possession and were only one behind at the break.

The second half was a big improvement, starting with a fine run and point from Colgan who had struggled until then. Colgan also started to pick out McComiskey, which made the real difference. One point when he picked the ball up with his back to goal on the right wing, dummied to the right and put it over with his left gave us the confidence to push on.

We finished the stronger side, with a series of turnovers of possession creating decent chances which we managed to miss. You would have bet on Tyrone taking us into extra time, but they could not get out of their own half in injury time.

Caldwell made a difference when he came on as sub, and Murphy also looked the part when he came on, but you would still worry about the defence. We are unlikely to get away with such a poor start against Derry, which will presumably be back at Casement on Saturday week, but beating Tyrone is always a great result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiffler on March 26, 2008, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 26, 2008, 09:36:25 PM
Mayobridge x factors auditions ( bit of a laugh)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtBV1EHpcsg

9 mins into that video is a clean joke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 26, 2008, 10:28:23 PM
would that be the "Horse it inta ya Cynthia" song?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiffler on March 26, 2008, 10:33:10 PM
Aye, that lad is a clown!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 26, 2008, 11:09:23 PM
he looks to be a superstar in the making that lad :D
Title: u21s
Post by: goldenyears on March 27, 2008, 11:02:37 AM
irishnews report

DOWN came from four points behind midway through the first half to edge past Tyrone by the narrowest of margins in last night's Ulster U21 Championship semi-final at Casement Park.

The Mournemen now face Derry in the final, but for much of the opening 30 minutes it looked as if Tyrone would be progressing to the April 5 decider.

With 15 minutes gone of the first half, the Red Hands led by 0-4 to no score and had a penalty saved by Down keeper Michael McAllister.

The Mourne machine then began to click into gear, and four points from man-of-the-match Paul McComiskey, added to Kevin McKernan's 16th minute effort, saw the sides level at

0-5 apiece five minutes before the break.

Sean O'Neill's point ensured Tyrone took a one-point lead into the interval, but within 15 seconds of the restart James Colgan drew the sides level for the first of four times in a pulsating second half.

With 46 minutes gone, Down were now in the ascendancy. The impressive Kevin McKernan, the game's top scorer from play, put the Mourne men 0-11 to 0-8 ahead. Two Gareth Devlin points and a great score from Colm Cavanagh levelled the game at 0-11 apiece before Shane O'Hagan fired Tyrone in front for the first time in the second half.

Two McComiskey points put Down ahead as the game approached four minutes of injury time, and McKernan's fourth had Pete McGrath's side with one foot in the final.

Tyrone sub Conor O'Donnell put the minimum between them but Down held on for a date with Derry next week.

Both sides had started nervously and it was Tyrone who settled first. Ronan McRory slotted over two points after five minutes, either side of a Cathal McCarron effort.

They spurned a great chance to go further minutes later when Cavanagh was dragged to the ground by Kevin Duffin, but McAnulla's penalty was comfortably saved by McAllister.

It took Down 15 minutes to register their first score through McComiskey, who finished the game with six points. McKernan was the only other Down player to raise a flag in the opening half, after the tenacity of Ciaran Brannigan earned the Burren man enough time to slot over.

The second half was nip and tuck, and as McGrath admitted, it was a game that could have gone either way.

"If you were honest about it, 10 minutes into the game, Tyrone could have been out of sight," he said.

"The penalty was an excellent save from our keeper, they had other goal opportunities and they were the better team in those opening 10 minutes.

"They were running rings round us and making inroads into our defence and we seemed to have no answer. It took us a long time to settle, but once we did settle and get a few scores on the board and it became a one or two point game, it was anyone's match.

"It was going to be whatever team held their nerve and got the right break at the right time, and probably in the last 10 or 15 minutes we got the breaks."

McGrath added: "Donegal had two convincing wins against Monaghan and Armagh, so if Derry have given them a bit of a hammering then they are going to be a very hard team to beat in the final."

MATCH STATS

Down: M McAllister; M Digney, C Murray,

H Magee; C Garvey, K Duffin, T Hanna; J Colgan (0-1), K McKernan (0-4); C Maginn (0-1),

C Magee (0-1), E Toner; C Brannigan (0-1),

R Kelly, P McComiskey (0-6, 3f). Subs:

J Caldwell for E Toner, J Murphy for H Magee,

S Grant for T Hanna

Tyrone: G Kelly; N McGinn, C McCarron,

H Gallagher; C McGinley, S O'Neill (0-1),

D McBride; A Cassidy, S O'Hagan (0-1); G Devlin (0-2), C Cavanagh (0-2), J McAnulla; R McRory (0-3), J Lafferty (0-2f), C McCarron (0-1). Subs: C O'Donnell (0-1) for C McCarron, D McDermott for D McBride, Shane McMahon for H Gallagher

Referee: G Walsh (Antrim)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 27, 2008, 09:02:41 PM
Pete McGrath got a lot of criticism after the u21s flopped against Fermanagh last year, with people saying that his methods were out of date and it had been one of the worst championship performances by any Down team in recent seasons. He said very little, and got with  sending out a well-prepared side against Tyrone this time round which had enough self-confidence to cope with a pretty dreadful start.

He had to do without Martin Clarke and Peter Fitzpatrick, who were probably our best two players in the AI minor final of 2005, and he also dropped several  members of that squad, including Packy Downey, to bring in some new faces, so there was a lot at stake last night.

McGrath pretty clearly tactically outthought the Tyrone coaches at Casement, and also made substitions at the right time which strengthened us in the closing stages.

We still have a dodgy defence, so Derry will be a huge test in the final, but fair play to wee Pete for getting it right last night.
   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on March 27, 2008, 09:15:07 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 27, 2008, 09:02:41 PM
Peter Fitzpatrick

Where is he?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ExiledGael on March 27, 2008, 09:16:22 PM
Who has survived since 2005 minor final to U21s?
Apart from Clarke who has been lost to the big bad world?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 27, 2008, 09:24:45 PM
The under-21 picture is a bit cloudy as John Caldwell, Packie Downey and Kevin McKernan spent more or less the year out injured in 2005.

Hugh Magee, Conor Garvey and Kevin Duffin are survivors from the defence, and i think Murney played some part on the way to the final. Colgan at midfield remains, and the wing-forwards Anderson and Lavery are on this year's panel. The full-forward line of McComiskey, Kelly and Brannigan remains intact.

I'd say the biggest surprise ommissions from 2005 are Eamon McConville (Sigerson player), Ricky Kerr (very useful forward) and most of all, Packie Downey. I wouldn't rate Downey as the senior county player he currently is, but he must have done something awful to Pete McGrath in the past not to feature in this squad.


Oh and by the way, credit to Wee Pete and the fellas for making the final. I wouldn't go over the top with praise for McGrath just yet though. You could try all day, but you'll never convince me that a county under-21 squad needs to do laps of Castlewellan Lake for training. Between their age and the amount of football commitments they have, they could hardly be fitter, and endurance training is a waste of time. But as half them haven't kicked a ball with the other half prior to the first training session, they do need to gel as a team....by playing football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 27, 2008, 10:14:56 PM
You could try all day, but you'll never convince me that a county under-21 squad needs to do laps of Castlewellan Lake for training. Between their age and the amount of football commitments they have, they could hardly be fitter, and endurance training is a waste of time. But as half them haven't kicked a ball with the other half prior to the first training session, they do need to gel as a team....by playing football.

WELL SAID WOBBLER
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on March 27, 2008, 10:27:41 PM
Well Wobbler and Pangurban, whenever you win TWO All Irelands with a County side i think we'll listen to what you have to say!!! I'm not related in anyway to the man but i think he deserves some Respect! He must be doing something right or they wouldnt be in an Ulster Final, oh and dont think Packy even bothered turning up for trials or didnt contact them so would you play him??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 27, 2008, 10:58:39 PM
Down under 21 team has a lots of changes from
Down Minor team of 2005

M McAlliste, Banbridger;
G Magee, Rostrevor, C Garvey, Mayobridge,  H Magee Longstone;
G McCartan Rostrevor, E McConville Rostrevor, K Duffin Castlewellan;
J Colgan An Riocht, P Fitzpatrick Ballymartin;
D Lavery , M Clarke An Riocht, S Grant Mayobridge;
C Brannigan Bryansford, R Kelly Longstone, P McCumiskey Dundrum.

Subs -
R Kerr,
C Murney Rostrevor,
C Clerkin Rostrevor,
K McKernan Burren,
G Joyce Ballymartin

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 27, 2008, 11:18:21 PM
You have misunderstood me Bridge-Lad, i am a huge supporter of Petes, and like you feel he does not get the respect he deserves. My comment was related to the growing trend of placing fitness above ball skills, which are we are now even witnessing at U10 level. Fitness certainly has its place, but as wobbler stated most of these young lads are naturally fit, particularly given the amount of football they are being asked to play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 28, 2008, 12:04:33 AM
The points which have been made about ball skills are reasonable, but talented Down sides have almost invariably lost to Tyrone at all levels for almost a full decade. The only exceptions were the minors of 2005, an outstanding squad who still needed a goal in the fifth minute of injury time, and last night's u21s, who looked a fitter side than their opponents when it mattered. No one wants to see the natural ability coached out of our players, but they also have to be able to win a battle against the likes of Tyrone. It's the old story about skill against will. The great Down teams had both, but at some stage skill usually loses out to will.

McGrath apparently dropped some of the 2005 minors at a fairly late stage in the run-up to this year's u21 first round against Antrim. McConville was probably the biggest surprise, and perhaps he might yet be back, but it looks as though any changes will be firmly on McGrath's terms. Fitzpatrick, who may eventually become a senior inter-county midfielder, did his cruciate, as far as I know, and will be out for a while. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 28, 2008, 08:44:11 AM
Managing an U21 team is the most thankless task in football. Most of the time you are trying to get training sessions without senior and Sigerson players so there is clearly great disruption. I have doubts about the value of this competition but fair play to Pete and his selctors for their progress so far and they have shown by their selections that they are making their own judgments on players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 28, 2008, 09:20:18 AM
The Down U21s got no warm up on Wed night.  They arrived in Casement in good time but weren't allowed onto the field, the were only allowed on at 20 to eight and were mostly confined to behind the goals.  Seems crazy that they weren't allowed onto the pitch by some over zealous officials.  Tyrone on the other hand did their warm up at some club ground near by.  This goes a long way to explaining Downs poor start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on March 28, 2008, 01:42:08 PM
I watched the two teams do their warm up when eventually allowed onto the pitch the other night. Tyrone did their warm up at full pelt, as if the game had already started, whilst Down were warming up like it was a laid back training session. Totally agree with amallon in that i think this contributed to Tyrones far better start to the match, but at the end of the game Down finished stronger, with Tyrone seemingly running out of steam. I spoke to a steward before the game to ask him why the lights were put on so late [and as such the teams couldnt get on the field] and he said it was purely down to cost !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 28, 2008, 07:00:02 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 27, 2008, 09:24:45 PM
The under-21 picture is a bit cloudy as John Caldwell, Packie Downey and Kevin McKernan spent more or less the year out injured in 2005.

Conor Maginn had broken leg in 05 and would have made the panel otherwise. - both Timmy Hanna & Conor are available next year at U21 level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on March 28, 2008, 10:04:02 PM
you have to wonder if mcconville opted out why he did?if he wants to play games why pick sigerson over under 21s, because be honest he has no chance of getting neat the pooy team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on March 29, 2008, 03:25:16 PM
down match is off due to waterlogged pitch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on March 29, 2008, 03:38:54 PM
that 4 def bridgegael was looking my mate 2 go on the beer but he ws going go after game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 29, 2008, 03:41:36 PM
Our under 14s going to it after a friendly match, is this 100%
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on March 29, 2008, 03:44:09 PM
got a phone call there to say it was off,  same person phoned back there and said it might not be off!!  this is coming from a shamrocks man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 29, 2008, 03:45:50 PM
the Tyrone game is off so there may be a few

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on March 29, 2008, 04:18:54 PM
Down V Limerick is OFF. Was talk of a switch but AFAIK it never materialised.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on March 29, 2008, 04:24:00 PM
would they play it somewhere else tomorrow like they are doing the tyrone match??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 29, 2008, 04:25:11 PM
may be resch for tomorrow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 29, 2008, 04:34:10 PM
Anyone know what shape the Newcastle pitch is in ? If Limerick are staying over, there will be a lot of pressure to get the game on. Ballykinler is usually playable all year round, but it could probably not cope with the crowd.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 29, 2008, 04:36:46 PM
what about going to carryduff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 29, 2008, 04:42:57 PM
Has this been put out on the radio save any Limerick fans a bit of the journey anyway ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 29, 2008, 04:46:03 PM
Defo off. Decision to be made in the next 15 mins as to whether the game can be rescheduled for tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on March 29, 2008, 05:24:14 PM
Speaking to a few Limerick fellas (Players etc) there at the Carrickdale and they were saying there are heading home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 29, 2008, 05:24:36 PM
No game tonight or tomorrow.  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on March 29, 2008, 05:41:09 PM

Why not reschedule it for tomorrow, in Ballykinlar if the marshes is so bad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Double Cross on March 29, 2008, 05:53:06 PM
Its not known as the marshes for nothing.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mickey Linden on March 29, 2008, 06:02:24 PM
Does anyone have any idea when the match might be played? Im pursuming limerick couldnt and wouldnt travel to newry for a midweek game??????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 29, 2008, 06:15:45 PM
Uladh - If you look at it from the county boards point of view which would you rather do.  A get 1500 max into Ballykinlar  tomorrow or B Get 3000-4000 into Newry at a later date. 

The weekend of the 19th/20th of April is the next free weekend.  I'm sure the GAA have left themselves a window between the final round of league games and the play offs to allow for canceled games to be played.  A midweek game would be a lot to ask of Limerick.  If Down were trying to rain in either Wexford or Fermanaghs superior scoring difference it would be an advantage to play after the other teams have finished their campaigns.  Down will know exactly what they have to do before they take the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 29, 2008, 06:15:56 PM
Quote from: Double Cross on March 29, 2008, 05:53:06 PM
Its not known as the marshes for nothing.  ;)

Since the start of the year the pitch at Newry has been seriously over-used, even to the extent of being mauled in a hurling training session at the height of the bad weather. This is the first postponement since the new pitch was laid and everybody has seen it coming because of the constant over-use . The pitch stood up remarkably well to the McKenna Cup games and early National Leagues when many others were unplayable but you see the lights on nearly every night of the week for sombody's training use. Who is in charge of this pitch after so much money was spent on it? It should be our pride and joy along with the new stand and the lights but what a sambles has been made of it. Typical bloody Down mismanagement. They could have expected 4,000 and good gate receipts tonight and deserve to lose out on this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on March 29, 2008, 06:22:29 PM
Its typical of Down. They couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery. Why do we let the same idiots run things year after year when they have proven time and again that they are clearly incompetent.
You have to feel for Limerick players and fans who have made a very long, worthless journey. Surely alternative arrangements could have been made and another venue on standby.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 29, 2008, 07:10:51 PM
Quote from: Down Gael on March 29, 2008, 06:22:29 PM
Its typical of Down. They couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery. Why do we let the same idiots run things year after year when they have proven time and again that they are clearly incompetent.
You have to feel for Limerick players and fans who have made a very long, worthless journey. Surely alternative arrangements could have been made and another venue on standby.


Just wondering Down Gael.....who would these idiots be?
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just wondering who you're having a dig at...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on March 29, 2008, 07:19:43 PM

[/quote]

but you see the lights on nearly every night of the week for sombody's training use.
[/quote]

Hardly! Yes the pitch is a mess (compared to what it once was in the Summer) because it has had alot of games played on it in harsh conditions but to say the pitch is being used for training is wrong- the hurlers trained on it, the u -21s had a quick session on it and to the best of my knowledge the shamrocks trained on it a while back! The CB have insisted on playing all sorts of games on it recently when it needed a rest, but to be fair they have got good useage out of it and it was only a matter of time before a game was going to be called off! Tyrone also has to move their game so it is not unique to ourselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on March 30, 2008, 11:54:04 AM
I think the contractor who laid the new pitch has some questions to answer about the Pairc Esler pitch, i may be wrong but it was my understanding that this pitch would be capable of having three games a week played irrespective of what the weather conditions were.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on March 30, 2008, 05:48:13 PM
Bredagh 3-07 Drumgath 2-10

Bredagh looked dead and buried trailing 1-07 to 0-02 at halftime, but some good switches worked well and they turned in a fine second half display to gain a draw. Some of the old hands had an off day, so it was good to see the local youngsters - Deasley, Tolland, McKenna, Devlin and Hollywood to the fore in the final period.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Duin Abu on March 30, 2008, 06:06:39 PM
Bredagh were not at their best today against Drumgath and were fortunate to end up with a draw. I think these two teams could be there or there about's come the end if they keep up their current form
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 30, 2008, 06:40:15 PM
f**k me fellas, I can't believe the County Board are taking flak for not being able to control mother nature.

Premiership games regularly get called off in winter time because of the weather, despite those pitches getting next to no wear and tear, and despite having a team of professional groundsmen on hand at every ground.

This year, Cheltenham postponed a day of their festival - one of the single most important days in that whole industry's calendar - because of the weather.

These things happen. You can't have a "back up plan" as suggested below, because let's be realistic, if a pitch in one geographical location is a swamp, then all pitches in that locality are going to have swamp like tendencies.

Until the day comes that we have fully-covered GAA stadia, this is occasionally going to happen.

Stop playing the blame game you twits.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on March 30, 2008, 06:57:57 PM
Any other Div3 results/reports?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 30, 2008, 07:00:37 PM
Bredagh Drumgath game was a cracker, it had everything you could think, some fantastic interchanges, quick flowing football,  great score taking, hard tackling and unfortunately a few terrible incidents, but that detracts from the game.

if Bredagh were offered a draw at half time I would have bit your hand off for it, but was still left disappointed at the end when Downey equalised, after clawing back the 8 point deficit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 30, 2008, 07:09:16 PM
Ardglass 3-6 St Pauls 2-8
Carryduff won handy.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on March 30, 2008, 07:59:02 PM
Carryduff  3-11  1-04  Sabhall Padraig
Glasdrumman  3-12  0-08  Tí Chonnachta
Ardglass  3-06  2-08  Naomh Pól
Glenn  P  P  Droim an Easa
Bredagh  3-07  2-10  Droim Gath
St Michael's  P  P  Misteiligh an Iuir
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 30, 2008, 07:59:28 PM
A.C.F.L Div3 Series 4
Carryduff 3 11   Saul 1 04
Glasdrumman 3 12 Tecconnaught 0 08
Ardglass 3 06 St Pauls 2 08
Glenn  Drummaness OFF
Bredagh 3 07 Drumgath 2 10
St Micheals  Mitchels OFF

A.C.P R L Div 1 Series 1
Downpatrick 1 04 Liatroim 1 13
An Riocht 1 06  Bryansford 0 14
Kilcoo 0 07 Burren 0 08
Clonduff 1 10 Rostrevor 0 06
Mayobridge 3 08 Castlewellan 2 08
A C P R L Div 2 Series 1
Annaclone 1 10  Ballymartin 0 11
Bredagh 1 11 Kilclief  0 09
Tullylish 0 08 Carryduff 0 09
Loughinisland 2 05 Saval 2 10
Warrenpoint 2 08  Longstone 2 17
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on March 30, 2008, 08:46:42 PM
To let "thewobbler" know i am not having a go at the County Board, but at whoever it was(contractor/consultant?)  said that the underground tank & pumping system would remove the water from the playing surface to leave it playable in all kinds of weather, i think we can see now that this is not the case & may have been a little ambitious. ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 30, 2008, 09:24:08 PM
Aye, I saw that Mournerambler. But at the same time I'd be utterly shocked if a pitch contractor could, or would, provide an all-weather guarantee. It wouldn't be in their interests to tell a blatant lie.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 30, 2008, 09:31:35 PM
Brilliant idea from Wobbller about sending Bredagh to Antrim. Carryduff would obviously have to go as well, and St Michael's could switch to Armagh. When they build the bridge at Narrowwater, it would be very handy for the Point to play in Louth.. Pretty soon Wobbller might never have to travel to an away game anywhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on March 30, 2008, 09:52:59 PM
Wobbler - you could also put St Pauls into Antrim (and also the Ards teams - so we wouldn't have a hurling team). Then you Newry teams could all play with yourselves! I see you are a Queen fan ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on March 30, 2008, 11:48:39 PM
Wobbller - if you'd have taken your medicine last year and gone into Div 4 you'd only have had 4 or 5 away games - Annsborough or Killyleagh would have been the furthest run - maybe that would have suited you better. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 31, 2008, 01:52:59 PM
 With league games running out for lads to gain some match time is Michael Walsh going to figure this year or not ? Any update on Paul Murphy , is he near over his injury ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 31, 2008, 04:25:07 PM
for all the money spent on it, the marshes should be fit to hold game regardless of weather..
teams are nt allowed to train on it, Mayobridge were refused a session on it before the county final whereas cross trained on it before the ulster final!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 31, 2008, 10:08:43 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 31, 2008, 04:25:07 PM
for all the money spent on it, the marshes should be fit to hold game regardless of weather..
teams are nt allowed to train on it, Mayobridge were refused a session on it before the county final whereas cross trained on it before the ulster final!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After Saturday's cancellation I thought you might like to know that I have just passed the pitch tonight - it is lashing rain and the lights are on for some sort of training session presumably. What a shower (and I dont mean the rain).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 01, 2008, 01:50:25 AM
is it true shamrocks played a challenge game on sunday in marshes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 01, 2008, 08:56:22 AM
Wouldn't be surprised.
My Shamrocks pal tells me they decide who plays and when and not the county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 01, 2008, 09:17:36 AM
The pitch was in really bad nick for the Antrim U21 game.  How many Shamrocks teams use it?  Is it just their seniors?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 01, 2008, 10:33:38 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 29, 2008, 07:10:51 PM
Quote from: Down Gael on March 29, 2008, 06:22:29 PM
Its typical of Down. They couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery. Why do we let the same idiots run things year after year when they have proven time and again that they are clearly incompetent.
You have to feel for Limerick players and fans who have made a very long, worthless journey. Surely alternative arrangements could have been made and another venue on standby.


Just wondering Down Gael.....who would these idiots be?
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just wondering who you're having a dig at...

Hence my previous post lads and I still havent got a reply from Down Gael....I dont think you can point the finger at the Co Board on this occasion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 01, 2008, 11:52:11 AM
U21 Final has been set for Saturday 2pm, Casement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 01, 2008, 03:35:45 PM
  What has happened to the Ballyholland lads?

  Wobbler doesn't post anymore and 5 Sams has become an inner circle supporter.

  The county board must have found a right few skeletons in the cupboard.

   ;D
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 01, 2008, 04:02:08 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 01, 2008, 03:35:45 PM
  What has happened to the Ballyholland lads?

  Wobbler doesn't post anymore and 5 Sams has become an inner circle supporter.

  The county board must have found a right few skeletons in the cupboard.

   ;D


Smarthole ;) Why blame the Co Board when its the tenant's fault for all the shite thats going on in the Marshes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on April 01, 2008, 05:32:28 PM

from hoganstand.



Following a meeting of the Central Competitions Control Committee on Tuesday (April 1st), the GAA have confirmed the following:

The NFL Division 2 game between Armagh V. Dublin has been re-fixed for Sunday, April 13th at 2.30 p.m. in Crossmaglen while the Division 3 Down V. Limerick game will take place in Newry on the same date also at 2.30 p.m.

The CCCC have also confirmed that Round 7 of the NFL, Division 2 and Division 3, have now been rescheduled for Sunday, April 20th.

The finals in Division 1, 2, 3 and 4 will go ahead as scheduled on April 27th unless there is a need for a play-off in Division 2, in accordance with Riail 116 (c) of the Official Guide.

In the event that a play-off is required, it will be played on Sunday April 27th with the Division 2 final then scheduled for the week-end of May 3rd.




will this affect the start of the leagues then??

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on April 01, 2008, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 01, 2008, 10:33:38 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 29, 2008, 07:10:51 PM
Quote from: Down Gael on March 29, 2008, 06:22:29 PM
Its typical of Down. They couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery. Why do we let the same idiots run things year after year when they have proven time and again that they are clearly incompetent.
You have to feel for Limerick players and fans who have made a very long, worthless journey. Surely alternative arrangements could have been made and another venue on standby.


Just wondering Down Gael.....who would these idiots be?
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just wondering who you're having a dig at...

Hence my previous post lads and I still havent got a reply from Down Gael....I dont think you can point the finger at the Co Board on this occasion.


I havent been back on the board since I posted that last comment. At the time of posting I was unaware that Down officials tried to get the game switched to Ballykinlar on Sunday, Limerick werent having it so we no have a midweek fixture and the final round of games have had to be put back for a week.
As far as the county board are concerned, I feel that we should be looking for some new blood. The same faces seem to rotate the positions between them and I will be polite and say things are a bit stale. We need new people, new ideas and a new approach to the GAA in Down. Why were the county board in such a hurry to get rid of Club Down, when Club Down actually managed to pull them out of the s**t. I dont want to name anyone in particular, but certain members  of the CB couldnt wait to get rid of Club Down. Have you tried getting a copy of a financial report? There are other issues that cant really be spoke about in an internet forum, but in my opinion the CB is a shambles.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 02, 2008, 02:00:41 AM
cough cough  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 02, 2008, 10:59:10 AM
  Ach 5 Sams, leave the Shams alone sure they're your favourite other club!

  Best of luck to De la Salle, Downpatrick in their All Ireland semi final today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 02, 2008, 03:03:35 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on April 01, 2008, 05:32:28 PM

from hoganstand.



Following a meeting of the Central Competitions Control Committee on Tuesday (April 1st), the GAA have confirmed the following:

The NFL Division 2 game between Armagh V. Dublin has been re-fixed for Sunday, April 13th at 2.30 p.m. in Crossmaglen while the Division 3 Down V. Limerick game will take place in Newry on the same date also at 2.30 p.m.

The CCCC have also confirmed that Round 7 of the NFL, Division 2 and Division 3, have now been rescheduled for Sunday, April 20th.

The finals in Division 1, 2, 3 and 4 will go ahead as scheduled on April 27th unless there is a need for a play-off in Division 2, in accordance with Riail 116 (c) of the Official Guide.

In the event that a play-off is required, it will be played on Sunday April 27th with the Division 2 final then scheduled for the week-end of May 3rd.




will this affect the start of the leagues then??



The first round games are to be *starred games* now and if the Under 21's win the AI Semi is the following weekend causing more problems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 02, 2008, 05:38:46 PM
 Nice problems to have ;D
Title: nearlymad
Post by: wobbller on April 02, 2008, 05:40:19 PM
 I'm sure you mean well but we'll be Ok over here on our Board without your help.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 03, 2008, 12:25:36 AM



I havent been back on the board since I posted that last comment. At the time of posting I was unaware that Down officials tried to get the game switched to Ballykinlar on Sunday, Limerick werent having it so we no have a midweek fixture and the final round of games have had to be put back for a week.
As far as the county board are concerned, I feel that we should be looking for some new blood. The same faces seem to rotate the positions between them and I will be polite and say things are a bit stale. We need new people, new ideas and a new approach to the GAA in Down. Why were the county board in such a hurry to get rid of Club Down, when Club Down actually managed to pull them out of the s**t. I dont want to name anyone in particular, but certain members  of the CB couldnt wait to get rid of Club Down. Have you tried getting a copy of a financial report? There are other issues that cant really be spoke about in an internet forum, but in my opinion the CB is a shambles.



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Heard this myself from a club delegate and bothy of us are baffled by it. Also heard that Club Down were not even informed about recent county dinner let alone get invited. Definitely not wanted despite getting the job done. Sad, especially as county could be doing with somebody like them to manage Park Esler. Every match you see the same disgraceful condition of what should be our pride and joy - dirt and litter everywhere  from previous games -  wife wont use the toilets as there is never any toilet paper or soap and they are filthy, handwash basins filthy (have they ever been cleaned), dirty terraces, paint flaking om doors and walls already, scoreboard not working at recent game, ahhhh .....etc. Usual amateur approach and it will just degenerate to a dump like before.
I think I'll go out for a walk as my head is sore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on April 03, 2008, 07:38:26 AM
Is the u21 final this Saturday in Casement Pk with the postponed NFL game v Limerick the next day in Newry?
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 03, 2008, 07:44:37 AM
Quote from: Aristotle Flynn on April 03, 2008, 07:38:26 AM
Is the u21 final this Saturday in Casement Pk with the postponed NFL game v Limerick the next day in Newry?


Yes and No...Seniors are away to Leitrim on Sunday....Limerick at home on Sunday week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 03, 2008, 11:42:04 AM
The first round games are to be *starred games* now and if the Under 21's win the AI Semi is the following weekend causing more problems

Not sure where 'spirit' is getting his information from on this one, the first round of club league games is not in the book to be a *starred* game so i am not sure if this can now be the case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 03, 2008, 12:04:36 PM
No chat about the Leitrim game , anyone going to it ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on April 03, 2008, 12:14:51 PM

I will be going.  But I am wondering if the Senior team will travel to Leitrim without any of the U21 members?  Or will they be on the bench with the starting team having no U21 ?   Has the starting team been announced yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 03, 2008, 12:56:23 PM
Doubt any of the 21's will start on Sunday . I wouldn't put any store in the team that is announced if any is at all . It's an old POR trick keep the opposition on their toes  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 03, 2008, 03:21:13 PM
Packie Downey has been called on to the U-21 panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on April 03, 2008, 03:27:26 PM

So if they name the same senior team that were to face Limerick, minus the U21 and An Riocht players,  would it be something like this?

Down (possible) (SF v Leitrim): Alder; L Howard, G McArdle, M Cole; R Murtagh, L Doyle, P Turley; A Rodgers, D Rooney; J Fegan, R Sexton, D Hughes; J Mc Areavey, D Gordon, B Coulter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on April 03, 2008, 04:26:38 PM
i can't see these games being starred.  maybe they will play the games on the followin monday or tuesday??


FAO Spirit,   will your seconds have an alternitive venue for match on sunday?? don't think it goin to be in the 'bridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 05, 2008, 07:07:55 PM
brilliant performance by the u21's. looked a bit shaky in some areas of the field but all in all everyone worked hard and got the result they deserved. mccomiskey was excellent providing an outlet for the defence in the first half and ciaran brannigan always looked dangerous. connor garvey had an excellent game at half back and took an excellent goal. john caldwell made a big difference to the midfield and murney looked very solid at full back.

congratulations to the lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 05, 2008, 10:02:37 PM
It was a fine performance by the u21s today, and it worth pointing out that it was a very well managed squad. I think this was the seventh time Pete McGrath has taken a Down side to an Ulster final (following the minors of 86 and 87, and the seniors of 91, 94, 96 and 99) and his fifth success overall. By any standards, this is a fantastic record. He is now looking for his his fifth all Ireland, and I would not rule it out at all.

The rest of the management team, Liam Murphy, Mickey Linden and Paddy Hardy, also played their part, as Down finished the game strongly and again made the right substitutions along the way. Packy Downey apparently did not attend the final trial, and was initially left out, but was brought back today on the management's terms and made a huge impact in the closing stages (particularly on the Derry full back in injury time).

The only concern I would have was the disastrous third quarter, when we started as though the game was already won and nearly through it away against what was obviously a talented Derry team.

Our 2005 minors were involved in a series of tight finishes in the Ulster championship and then won the three games in the AI series by large margins. We have since lost Marty Clarke to Australia and Peter Fitzpatrick to a long-term injury, so we cannot look beyond the AI semi, which I think is against the Leinster champions (Kildare/Wexford), but there is a spirit about this team will which take some stopping.
Title: u21s vs derry
Post by: off the ground on April 06, 2008, 12:05:25 AM
RE: mourne rover
downey was rather ineffective when he came on, gave the ball away easily on one occasion and earned himself a booking for a clumsy challenge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 06, 2008, 12:17:34 AM
The booking was in the final minute of injury time, and stopped a Derry attack. He passed for the Timmy Hanna pt and the Ryan Kelly goal in the space of five mins, so it was not a bad sub.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on April 06, 2008, 10:06:55 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 06, 2008, 12:17:34 AM
The booking was in the final minute of injury time, and stopped a Derry attack. He passed for the Timmy Hanna pt and the Ryan Kelly goal in the space of five mins, so it was not a bad sub.


think he got a point too.  overall a very good performance from a very good team.  first half showed how football should be played against a wind like that,  everyone working their socks off and looking the ball all the time.  two great goals set us up for what should have been a much easier second half, maybe the lads thought that too.  not a weak link on the team and they should be very hard to beat in the semi final.

well done lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on April 06, 2008, 11:59:38 AM
how did st malachys get on yesterday??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 06, 2008, 01:54:47 PM
St Malachy's hammered Bandon of Cork. I think it finished 1-12 to 0-5. They looked very impressive in the TG4 coverage, and apparently most of the team is eligible again next year. After the St Columban's win last year, the Abbey's Hogan Cup success in 2006 and the emergence of St Louis, the standard in our schools looks good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lisdoon1 on April 06, 2008, 02:52:40 PM


Game is on live on shannon radio

http://shannonside.ie/index.php
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 06, 2008, 05:57:13 PM
Didn't make it to the game, but, barring a miracle, it's another season in division three for us. Wexford have a 15-point scoring difference advantage, so we need to win our last two matches by big margins and hope that Wexford lose heavily in their last fixture (which I think is at home to Louth), but it's effectively over.

Realistically, our league form has been unconvincing. The three games we won against Sligo, Louth and Longford might all have gone the other way, so we could just as easily have been in a relegation struggle at this stage. I think we still need one more point to be completely safe.

We have clearly improved from last year, but we always look vulnerable when the pressure is on. While Tyrone are not going particularly well, we probably needed promotion under our belt to travel to Omagh with real confidence.

Ross sounded fairly downcast on the radio after today's game, and the next few weeks will be a real test of his management capabilities.
Title: U 21s
Post by: 5 Sams on April 06, 2008, 07:23:38 PM
Fair play to Pete and Mickey and the lads....and a special congratulations to Joe Murphy from our own club. Great result. Looks like a v useful team. Looking forward to the AI series. Another notch on Pete McGrath's bedpost.....jaysus I'm getting old cos I remember the last time we won the U21 All Ireland....1979.... :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 06, 2008, 07:41:47 PM
Is it a confidence thing ?
The seniors could learn something from the Under 21s.Boys like Connor Garvey, James Colgan, Ciaran Brannigan and Paul Mc Cumiskey have a strut about them, as if they expect to beat the Tyrones and Derrys in tight scraps.Over the last few years I have seen the seniors either drop their heads or lose them in tight games. No disrepect to Leitrim but we have twice the number of clubs and players with All-Irelands at minor and schools levels so we should expect to win and win well .
Bad setback on the road to Omagh.Presumably another year in Division 3 means another year of the threat of Tommy Murphy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 06, 2008, 07:56:14 PM
After watching todays debacle in Carrick-on-Shannon i would say that this has to rank among the lowest points in Down footballing history & i can't see how Packie Downey can justify being selected ahead of John Clarke ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on April 06, 2008, 08:21:27 PM
Minor hurling result

Portaferry 0-03 1-04 Ballycran. Conditions weren't good but that's the worst game of hurling I've seen played in the Ards for years. There are serious problems to be addressed at juvenile level IMO..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 06, 2008, 08:22:39 PM
Quote.....Is it a confidence thing ?
The seniors could learn something from the Under 21s.Boys like Connor Garvey, James Colgan, Ciaran Brannigan and Paul Mc Cumiskey have a strut about them, as if they expect to beat the Tyrones and Derrys in tight scrap
Think this is a management issue, try playing confident football with DJ roaring at you like someone demented
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 06, 2008, 09:17:52 PM
Awful set back for Down today but if we dont get out div 3 (and it appears we wont) then the management have failed as they stated that their main aim was to get back to div 2 football. Leitrim beating Down on the back of yesterdays U21 win and then the scenes of celebration in Castlewellan square last night makes a very bad conclusion to the weekend..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 07, 2008, 09:26:41 AM
We saw the best and worst of Down football over the weekends.  The U21's put in a great performance against a very good Derry team.  They play Kildare in Navan on the 19th of April.

Then we saw the worst of Down on Sunday.  Bad conditions, bad pitch, a Down team thinking all they had to do was turn up and a brutal performance led to a Down defeat.  This is a disaster for Down football.  Very few players produced the goods.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on April 07, 2008, 10:47:35 AM

Bring back wee Pete. He should never have been so disgracfully dispensed with...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on April 07, 2008, 11:03:59 AM
Ditto for Large Joseph  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on April 07, 2008, 11:11:22 AM

touche!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 07, 2008, 11:20:40 AM
Quote from: amallon on April 07, 2008, 09:26:41 AM
We saw the best and worst of Down football over the weekends.  The U21's put in a great performance against a very good Derry team.  They play Kildare in Navan on the 19th of April.

Then we saw the worst of Down on Sunday.  Bad conditions, bad pitch, a Down team thinking all they had to do was turn up and a brutal performance led to a Down defeat.  This is a disaster for Down football.  Very few players produced the goods.

Disaster is right.
Leitrim, with the smallest population in Ireland and heading for division FOUR beating the so-called aristocrats of Down football. Our minors, U21 & schools show that there is talent in Down but when we get to senior level it goes pear-shaped.
Longford away in 2003, Sligo away in 2006, Leitrim away in 2008 - is this where we now are in the football world?
No amount of logistic vans, Portuguese training sessions or other gimmics can hide our failure to address key central positions on our team and the tactical nonesense that fails to capitalise on the ability of forwards like Benny Coulter.
Never felt so low in over 40 years of supporting Down.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on April 07, 2008, 11:48:07 AM
Leo mentions key central positions and this is were we are seriously lacking.
First and foremost we dont have a goalkeeper of sufficient standard. McAllister has played 2 games for the senior side this year and been very poor in both. Brendan McVeigh isnt really any better, though Ross seems to favour him over Declan Alder, who would be my first choice keeper.
Gary McArdle, though a decent enough defender is not an inter-county full back. Time and again he stands off his man and lets catch balls uncontested before trying to put a tackle in, we need a full back willing to challenge in the air.
Liam Doyle is NOT a centre half back. Liams skills would be better utilised in the half forward line. Yes he can set up attacks from CHB but he cant defend. He has been found out on too many occassions in the league and this is only division 3.
In midfield we have one of the best fielders in Ireland in Dan Gordon, but he didnt catch one clean ball yesterday and like the rest of the team I think they all thought it was just a matter of showing up. On his day he is a joy to watch buy yesterday wasnt one of those days. We have nobody to play alongside him. Ambrose is living off his name. Declan Rooney is eh, well the best I can say about him is that he is suspended. Jack Lynch is the best of a very bad lot and I would play him with Dan in the middle.
For some bizarre reason, Ross is continuing with Ronan Sexton at centre half forward. Ronan is a great wee player, he has a great engine, bags of skill, but he isnt big enough to play in the number 11 shirt. Liam Doyle is a perfect CHF, but time is running out to try him there.
Benny Coulter is the most explosive forward in Ireland on his day, but when you see him having to come out the field looking for the ball you know the others arent doing their job. He cant win games on his own and the other players seem to have fallen into the old trap that Benny is playing we dont have to do anything.

We have such a depth of talent at underage level, but something is going badly wrong between minor/U21 and senior. Why arent these players stepping up? Paddy O`Rourke took an awful lot of shit after Sligo, when in truth it runs far deeper than managment. Until we as a county sit down and work out what we are doing wrong then all the underage success is meaningless. James Colgan, the 2005 minor All Ireland winning captain and 2008 Ulster U21 captain has played less than 5 minutes for the senior team, he was thrown in against Donegal when the game was lost. He was the great white hope for Down football, but he seems to be forgotten. What of the other stars of that team? Why have they got such confidence at underage level, yet remain anonymous at senior. Paul McCumiskey, a match winner for his Uni, for every underage team he plays for, even for his club, is being used sparingly. Why? He ran a very good Derry team ragged on Saturday, yet even if he was tired, 15 minutes from Paul would have turned yesterdays game, it did against Louth. I could go on, buy we`ve heard it all before, someone within Down football has to stand up and say enough is enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 07, 2008, 12:07:21 PM
What was Ross Carr's response to the game ? Did anyone hear an interview ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 07, 2008, 12:48:47 PM
Div 3 result
St Paul's 2-11
Glenn 4-5

Something of a freak game. Glenn very lucky to escape with a draw in the end. the score at half time was
3-2 to 1-5. Glenn's full forward line looking capable of goals all game and could have had a few more if it wasnt for the heroics of the st pauls keeper in addition to some poor finishing. any thoughts from the st pauls contributors?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 07, 2008, 12:54:54 PM
only one thought on it, horrible.
our defending was attrocious at times, and our forwards need a lot more shooting practice!!
when you take into account we had about 75% of the possession and only come away with a point at the end of the game, there are a number of parts to our game that could be improved on!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 07, 2008, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: downredblack on April 07, 2008, 12:07:21 PM
What was Ross Carr's response to the game ? Did anyone hear an interview ?


Ross Carr was very despondent in his Radio Ulster interveiw and must know the noose is tightening around his neck as this is a failure and everyone in Down knows it.
Packie Downey cant make the U21 team and yet is started yesterday ??? Boys like Murtagh, Sexton & McArdle arent going to set the world alight either. Although when Benny didnt play in the McKenna Cup we scored at will, do players rely on him to much? or indeed does he have a influence in the dressing room over the younger members?
Midfield is a ongoing issue but does the fact that Kalum King has returned to Bryansford and has starred in many pre season games (scoring 3.3 from number 8 v St Johns Belfast) give another option?
Kevin Duffin, James Colgan, Ryan Kelly, Kevin McKernan and Cathal Magee  need to be getting in the mix very soon for Down and the clearout needs to be done before Omagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 07, 2008, 02:19:36 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 07, 2008, 12:48:47 PM
Div 3 result
St Paul's 2-11
Glenn 4-5

Something of a freak game. Glenn very lucky to escape with a draw in the end. the score at half time was
3-2 to 1-5. Glenn's full forward line looking capable of goals all game and could have had a few more if it wasnt for the heroics of the st pauls keeper in addition to some poor finishing. any thoughts from the st pauls contributors?

yes glenn were very lucky, however st pauls wernt great either in fairness, 2 bad teams lol

heroics of the glenn keeper(micky doran) also won a point for his team! glenn had quite a few poor performances, st pauls threatned with 2 players , number 6 and 14, apart from that nothing special. glen stil missing collie murtagh in midfield
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 07, 2008, 02:31:24 PM
Quote from: general on April 07, 2008, 02:19:36 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 07, 2008, 12:48:47 PM
Div 3 result
St Paul's 2-11
Glenn 4-5

Something of a freak game. Glenn very lucky to escape with a draw in the end. the score at half time was
3-2 to 1-5. Glenn's full forward line looking capable of goals all game and could have had a few more if it wasnt for the heroics of the st pauls keeper in addition to some poor finishing. any thoughts from the st pauls contributors?

yes glenn were very lucky, however st pauls wernt great either in fairness, 2 bad teams lol

heroics of the glenn keeper(micky doran) also won a point for his team! glenn had quite a few poor performances, st pauls threatned with 2 players , number 6 and 14, apart from that nothing special. glen stil missing collie murtagh in midfield

General aka Micky Doran
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 07, 2008, 02:50:10 PM
Mitchels v St Michaels was also a draw. Early days, but i reckon the four teams in action yesterday will be fighting it out for fourth bottom with the other three going down. I was very impressed with Glenn's second half keeper as well (the bxtrd) but some of the defending by both teams was shockin. Also St Pauls managed 8 wides to Glenn's 1 in the second half and that's not counting unforgivably dropping the ball into the keeper's hands.

General, I'm not sure what game you were watching, but the St Pauls 14 missed two sitters and was at least partially responsible for the fcuk up for Glenn's first goal. He also got a thick ear of your corner back so all in all not a great day at the office.

St Pauls will get better but that's three points chucked away so far so next week's rearranged fixture v St Michaels looks a huge four pointer already.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 07, 2008, 03:02:57 PM
Can someone clarify what way the relegation palyoffs will work in div 3 this season due to the extra team?Will the bottom placed team be relegated with the next four in a playoff or is it just the bottom three teams facing straight relegation as the previous post from passedit suggests?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 07, 2008, 03:15:11 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 07, 2008, 03:02:57 PM
Can someone clarify what way the relegation palyoffs will work in div 3 this season due to the extra team?Will the bottom placed team be relegated with the next four in a playoff or is it just the bottom three teams facing straight relegation as the previous post from passedit suggests?

That's what i've been led to believe, but as we all know the DCB will probably wait to see who's affected before making it up as they go along.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 07, 2008, 07:23:20 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 07, 2008, 03:15:11 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 07, 2008, 03:02:57 PM
Can someone clarify what way the relegation palyoffs will work in div 3 this season due to the extra team?Will the bottom placed team be relegated with the next four in a playoff or is it just the bottom three teams facing straight relegation as the previous post from passedit suggests?

That's what I've been led to believe, but as we all know the DCB will probably wait to see who's affected before making it up as they go along.


clarification on the matter would better be sooner than later or there could be yet another row with the DCB!!!

its all OK anyway, Mitchel's, St Micheals, bosco and st pauls will be fighting it out anyway!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on April 07, 2008, 09:33:17 PM
Quote from: downredblack on April 07, 2008, 12:07:21 PM
What was Ross Carr's response to the game ? Did anyone hear an interview ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/sol/newsid_7330000/newsid_7334200/7334250.stm?bw=nb&mp=wm&news=1&bbcws=1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on April 07, 2008, 09:54:26 PM
Well was at the match yesterday also, i dont know where to start! As one of the previous posters said McAllister has looked dodgy, he was at fault for one of the goals, looked dodgy under the high ball all day. Luke howard wasn't too bad, McArdle is defo not the answer to full back, very exposed yest. Cole wasn't much better. Turley hasn't got a clue think he would struggle to get onto the top 4 teams in the county. Ambrose i think touched the ball 5 times, midfield was none existent Rooney lost possesion numerous times and got stupidly sent off, (and thats last years captain).  :o :o The quality of ball into the full forward line was just not good enough. Packie just aint good enough dropped every ball he got! Clarke made a massive difference when introduced. Think Aidan Carr might be an answer to centre half back, looked assured on the ball. Leitrim poured through the middle, doyle all over the show.


Downredblack said that down scored free will in the mckenna cup without benny, open your eyes man, every one of them teams were weak very weak! Some people got carried away with that! Mickey walsh would have made a massive differnce yest even mckernan would have been better than ambrose. We had no one to take the ball from the defence and distribute it into the full forward line. Think Fegan needs to be taken out for a few games just not gutsy enough!

Mcveigh, Howard, A.N Other, Cole, Murtagh, Carr, Mckernan, Lynch, Gordon, S Kearney, Doyle, Hughes, McComiskey, Coulter, Sexton or Clarke.

Not a bad side, what ya's think?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 07, 2008, 10:12:56 PM
Said it before and I'll say it again - Colgan for fullback. Settle him in, give him proper coaching and he could be the lynchpin of the team for years to come. I'm told he doesn't want to play there. If he wants to play for his county he should give it a go.

Agree that Carr is a halfback but can't see Ross playing him there.

Need to play Benny in a free role from the half forward line si he can help midfield aand also roam towards the goal - would be unmarkable. Leave Clarke on the square with McComiskey playing across the line. Gordon needs a worker alongside him in midfield. Lynch  is no Alan Molloy but better than Rooney.

You have no chance of seeing this team:

Alder (still the best keeper in the county)
Murney
Colgan
Cole
Rafferty (or Murphy)
Doyle
Carr
Lynch
Gordon
Coulter
Murtagh
Hughes
McComiskey
Clarke
Sexton
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on April 07, 2008, 10:26:59 PM
Leo, thats not a bad team, though Colgan is untried at full back. In fact he is untried full stop. I`ll make a stab at a team and it wont be too far away from your own.

1 Alder
2 Howard
3 Murney
4 Monk
5 D Rafferty
6 Carr
7 Murphy
8 Lynch
9 Gordon
10 Murtagh
11 Doyle
12 Coulter
13 McCumiskey
14 Clarke
15 Sexton

Like your own team you have no chance of seeing it, but it has more chance of winning something than anything Ross and DJ can f*ck up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 07, 2008, 10:32:38 PM
Bridgelad - I think you've got three forwards in the half-back line, and I think we would be crucified.

We should stop trying to put square pegs into round holes, and start by playing defenders in our defence. If this means a talented forward has to sit on the bench, so be it.

I have no doubt that Doyle can be a strong influence at centre half-back to the point of controlling games, but he won't be able to do so when the players alongside him aren't capable of covering for any of his defensive shortfalls. I would suggest (once more) going further than this again and playing an extra defender. This idea is only reinforced in recognising that when Coulter is playing, Down show little or no inclination to play the ball to the other full-forwards. So why put two of them in there alongside him? Surely we only need one Sideshow Bob?

But in defence of the defence, if Isaac Newton applied a law to football as he did to physics, it would read something like "when your midfield gets demolished, your full-back line is always going to look awful". And Down, as we have done for the past 5 years, look incapable of winning any sort of regular breaking-ball. This is the biggest problem with Down football at present, and until this problem is resolved, our last line of defence will always look poorer than it is.


1. M McAllister

2. L Howard
3. G McArdle / C Murney (McArdle should get another few games before any decisions are made)
4. C Murney / C McGovern (would rather have Gavin Barry, but I'm presuming that's not going to happen)

13. D Rafferty
5. P Murphy
6. L Doyle
7. M Cole (would rather have Mark Doran, but I'm presuming that's not going to happen)

8. D Gordon
9. D Rooney

10. R Murtagh
11. A Rogers
12. J Clarke

14. B Coulter
15  P McComiskey

Harsh on Sexton, Hughes and Fegan, but that's life.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 07, 2008, 10:58:59 PM
Quote from spirit of 91/94.......Although when Benny didnt play in the McKenna Cup we scored at will, do players rely on him to much? or indeed does he have a influence in the dressing room over the younger members?
When i suggested a few weeks that Benny was part of the problem rather than the solution, i came in for some abuse and severe critizism. I still hold that this is true, and will become more evident. It is not Bennys fault, he is an enormously talented footballer, lacking a management who know how to utilise him or guide those around him.  Until this problem is resolved, the team as a whole will perform better without Benny
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 08, 2008, 09:00:32 AM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on April 07, 2008, 09:54:26 PM
Well was at the match yesterday also, i dont know where to start! As one of the previous posters said McAllister has looked dodgy, he was at fault for one of the goals, looked dodgy under the high ball all day. Luke howard wasn't too bad, McArdle is defo not the answer to full back, very exposed yest. Cole wasn't much better. Turley hasn't got a clue think he would struggle to get onto the top 4 teams in the county. Ambrose i think touched the ball 5 times, midfield was none existent Rooney lost possesion numerous times and got stupidly sent off, (and thats last years captain).  :o :o The quality of ball into the full forward line was just not good enough. Packie just aint good enough dropped every ball he got! Clarke made a massive difference when introduced. Think Aidan Carr might be an answer to centre half back, looked assured on the ball. Leitrim poured through the middle, doyle all over the show.


Downredblack said that down scored free will in the mckenna cup without benny, open your eyes man, every one of them teams were weak very weak! Some people got carried away with that! Mickey walsh would have made a massive differnce yest even mckernan would have been better than ambrose. We had no one to take the ball from the defence and distribute it into the full forward line. Think Fegan needs to be taken out for a few games just not gutsy enough!

Mcveigh, Howard, A.N Other, Cole, Murtagh, Carr, Mckernan, Lynch, Gordon, S Kearney, Doyle, Hughes, McComiskey, Coulter, Sexton or Clarke.

Not a bad side, what ya's think?


The only thing I can remember saying about  Down's scoring abilities was ...

"Down have been getting plenty of scores so I can't see Ross changing to the high ball into the big man tactic plus we were cleaned out at Midfield for long periods the last day . So I think we will see Dan in the middle "

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lisdoon1 on April 08, 2008, 10:09:51 AM
My team at the minute would be

Connell...... much better keeper than McAllister
Murney
Colgan To try him out in that position
Cole
Paul Murphy when fit.
Doyle
Carr
Lynch
Gordon we need a man in to pull the ball out of the air.... Lynch has good physical presence in Midfield & I havent seen much better to date.
Coulter
Murtagh . better up front & hard worker too.
Hughes
McComiskey - lets unleash this lad, he has been playing brilliantly for queens & U21's all year.
Clarke
Sexton

I think Ross made a mistake in dropping connell, agree with who ever said it earlier, Ambrose is playing under his namesake...

Any update opn Paul Murphy, full fit?

I see Dooher is back playing footbal & targets the game in Omagh for his return........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on April 08, 2008, 11:12:09 AM
M.McCallister isnt the answer to a goal keeper!! he is woeful under the highball after seeing 3 u21 games but an excellent shot stopper!! and without a quality full back in the side mccallister can't be doing nets for down seniors!! K.Murphy from ballyholland is excellent under high ball but i hear his kickouts can be slightly inconsistent at times!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 08, 2008, 11:44:37 AM
Down Gael and the wobbler, you have both dispensed with Hughes which is harsh. Properly utilised he is one of our strengths. Agree with other posts that Ambrose is there on name, Fegan wont cut it in the championship.
While not copying what Tyrone did with the late Cormac McAnallen, it was his switch to full back that won Tyrone their first All-Ireland. We saw the same in the Down 91-94 set-up.
Room for Kalum King instead of Lynch at midfield if his comeback is serious and I'm told he's flying at present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 08, 2008, 12:05:19 PM
Quote from: buglebhoy on April 08, 2008, 11:12:09 AM
M.McCallister isnt the answer to a goal keeper!! he is woeful under the highball after seeing 3 u21 games but an excellent shot stopper!! and without a quality full back in the side mccallister can't be doing nets for down seniors!! K.Murphy from ballyholland is excellent under high ball but i hear his kickouts can be slightly inconsistent at times!!



can i just ask you buglebhoy what performances you are basing your assessment of mcallister on?

from what i seen of the u21 campaign his performances were excellent, particularly kick outs against the wind on saturday.
he has been goalkeeper for an all ireland minor winning side and an ulster u21 winning side and quite possibly a sigeron winner this year. he is 20 years of age and made his senior debut on sunday protected by a defence which could kindly be described as laughable. taken all this into account, after one game, you reckon the fella simply isnt good enough to keep goals for down.

is the criticism aimed at mcallister not a bit ott after one game? ok from what i have heard he was at fault for one of the goals but making your senior debut with a defence like that in front of you would leave alot to be desired me thinks. time will tell, but to say he isnt good enough after one game shows how little some people on this board know about down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on April 08, 2008, 12:11:02 PM

Lads, Its the time of year for shaping the championship 15 and lots of disussion but... Colgan at full back on a Championship team? i can tell you now to forget about it. He is woefully out of his depth at Sigerson level never mind Senior intercounty football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on April 08, 2008, 01:43:07 PM
I would have to agree with Ulster, Colgan cant be considered for a starting place on the championship team.

I think a lot of the Down posters must be following a different team. McAllister in goal ??? Are you having a laugh. Seriously lads, he has had two games for the senior squad this year. The first against Tyrone in the McKenna Cup, the second in Leitrim on Sunday. Both disasters, he looks lost between the posts and was too easily caught out for Leitrims second goal, which proved to be the match winner and the score that confines us to Division 3 football for another year. My first choice keeper is Bernie Connell, but I dont think he is even training with the squad at the minute so I would have Alder and even McVeigh before McAllister.

Leo, Daniel Hughes is another of those Down players who flatters to deceive. He is still being picked on his performance against Derry in the McKenna Cup. He has been very poor in the last few games, being totally anonymous against both Wexford and Leitrim. Kalum King would be a very welcome addition to any squad, at least there is a bit of fight in the lad, but remember what happened the last time he was rushed onto the team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 08, 2008, 01:50:29 PM
its wonderful the feedback generated by down supporters depending on whether we win or lose! compare the highs of the mckenna cup win with the reaction to sunday's disastrous defeat!! we really are our own worst enemy at times....

ulster titles and all ireland potential to the tommy cooper cup!

seriously, picking the team is completely irrelevant unless we change our style of play, and it is apparent that current management are old school shoot em up man for man tactics wise....take every down team that ever existed, if the opponents play them man v man, down are a match for anyone - we have as good a scoring ratio as any team out there....

unfortunately its also about nor conceding and that is our big problem - if we dont revert to a 7 or even 8 man defence then we arent gonna do anything again this year - i have been saying for 3 or 4 years now, the talent is there to score at will even with a 4 man forward line, but unless we shore up the back and stop conceding goals then we are not gonna do a thing.

take the u21s as a prime example of this theory - no defence style open attacking football and they are a joy to watch - if derry had played more defensively down would not have managed that - its a flaw in our philosophy, its a la kevin keegan - the problem is we get caught out by the big boys, who have a defensive plan AND can score as well!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 08, 2008, 01:57:51 PM
Goldenyears, In short I think it's fair to say we are just not good enough at the moment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 08, 2008, 02:05:14 PM
giv the seniors a chance lads, ross is tryin out differnt players!!!
once champ comes hel hav the boys up for it!!!

tyrone not such a great side, after al they hav problems of thier own!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 08, 2008, 05:04:33 PM
Anyone see DJ giving a bollicking to a Down supporter leaving the stand on Sunday? The supporter is supposed to have told him to "Put them on the bus, take them home and let them stay there".  A bit on the harsh side but there was a lot of very angry Down fans in the stand on Sunday.  A lot of them were shouting Down at the management to take a certain player off, who they then did take off. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the ground on April 08, 2008, 11:35:03 PM
lynch is not up to county standard though we are not spoilt for choice of midfield by any means. we seriously walsh need to be on the team !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 09, 2008, 12:20:25 AM
Goldenyears is quite right to highlight the fickle nature of Down supporters, but I would question the suggestion that extra defenders will transform our season. In that system, you need physically strong, exceptionally fit and totally confident players to retain possession at the back and wait for colleagues to appear in supporting positions. I'm not at all sure too many members of the Down squad match that description.

It's also definitely wrong to say that Derry did not play defensively in the u21 final. They pulled 14 players back as soon as they took the lead in the second half and still lost the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 09, 2008, 03:35:01 AM
The answer to one simple question will place proper assessment on our current state and immediate future prospects. Outside of Coulter,Gordon and Mc Comiskey, which other Down player would get a place on any other Co.team in Ulster. Murtagh and Clarke might challenge for a place somewhere else. But thats about it. We have to start thinking long term, and initiate measures to raise the standard of club football within the Co. which in recent years has been deplorable. Mayobridge have been our best club team, and they been consistently slaughtered in the Ulster Club Championship. The coaching at youth level, such as it is, is boring repetitive, devoid of innovation. We need to turn away from the modern though now outdated tactics, stop trying to emulate or copy other counties. Its time to look backward, recover our style and confidence, and play football with a swagger like the successful Down teams of the past. It will take a few years, but a g ood start is half the work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 09, 2008, 09:08:02 AM
PangurBan - Thats very harsh on the Bridge.  We have only had two bad beatings in Ulster both by Ballinderry.  We've reached 2 ulster club Finals loosing both narrowly.  In 2001 we were very unlucky not to beat Ballinderry who went on to win the All Ireland. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on April 09, 2008, 09:25:33 AM
can i just ask you buglebhoy what performances you are basing your assessment of mcallister on?

Behind the wire, i know mccallister is an excellent keeper, what i'm saying is he isnt good enough under the high ball!! on 2 occasssions against tyrone high balls came in and he punched them downwards to the front of the goal mouth instead of catching them and bursting out!! i also went to school with the lad and played against him numerous times over the last number of years and have seen probably more of this fellow than most ppl!! i've no doubt he's a fine keeper, he saved a penalty against tyrone in the u21 match whcih kept down in the game and then went on to win but what i'm saying is he's not capable under the high ball and without a quality full back in front of him he's just not ready for down seniors yet!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on April 09, 2008, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: amallon on April 08, 2008, 05:04:33 PM
Anyone see DJ giving a bollicking to a Down supporter leaving the stand on Sunday? The supporter is supposed to have told him to "Put them on the bus, take them home and let them stay there".  A bit on the harsh side but there was a lot of very angry Down fans in the stand on Sunday.  A lot of them were shouting Down at the management to take a certain player off, who they then did take off. 

I was not impressed by that at all.  I didn't hear the comment from the supporter, and if it was what you have quoted, it was a bit out of order. Negative comments are counter productive, and that supporter should not have made that comment.
However, the reaction of DJ was worse!  "giving a bollicking", as you put it, is an understatement.  It was a very aggressive onslaught. He had to be held back by Ross at one stage, and if he could have identified the person who made the comment he would have punched his lights out!  His behaviour was an embarrassment to himself, and considering it was done in front of the Leitrim supporters too, an embarrassment to his county.
If any posters know DJ well, perhaps they could let him know a few truths...
1. Down supporters are good supporters. They travel in numbers to follow the county team, and out numbered the Leitrim fans in Carrick-on-Shannon. To accuse us all of not being behind the team, as DJ did in his aggressive rant, is wrong and inaccurate. With all the other challenges of managing the county team, does he want to alienate the supporters too?
2. We were all hurting. None of us wanted Down to be in division 3 next year. Supporters, players and management alike. We all expressed it it in our own way. Mostly to the person next to us, but one person behaved badly by making a comment to the management. DJ was hurting too, but his reaction was the worst behaviour of anyone there.
2. Negativity from some supporters on the sideline is an unfortunate part of Gaelic games. There is always one person at every club who is prepared to shout a negative comment from the sideline. I don't like it, but we are all used to it. Keep your temper in check DJ.
3. DJ 's onslaught was done in front of the team too, and will have done more psychological damage to the team than the comment from the stand that he reacted to. He needs to rethink his behaviour to be  what is best for the team.

End of my rant......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on April 09, 2008, 11:21:26 AM
Jesus lads this is getting good so much to read and take in!!

Have to agree with Pangurban (me owl mate), i'm a Bridge man tru and tru, yes Mayobridge are away out on their own in Down at the min but in my eyes will never win an ulster. There is a massive gulf between some of the other teams in ulster. Tyrone and Derry have a new team win their respective titles every year.

As for the debate on McAllister, he was at fault for second goal and nearly one in first half if anyone remembers he punched a high ball away that he could have easily caught, in which leitrim scored a point from.

To Wobbler on issue about my half back selection, dont know if your right or not  just took another look at it there. Mckernan was a full back and a good one on the minor team until got injured and also CHB on Abbey McCrory and hogan cup successes!! Carr has played CHB in his minor days, in Downs recent championship win in new york , and against Mayobridge in league games before also. You maybe dont get the chance to play Clonduff much!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 09, 2008, 11:46:12 AM
Bridge lad, granted I haven't seen Carr play half-back.  I'm sure he's quite competent there, but he strikes me as a natural forward, comfortable on the ball and a good distributor. I also don't know if the time of year to be experimenting with a a new centre-back.

McKernan is definitely a forward. He's like John Clarke, in that he's a smart enough footballer to do a job anywhere. But having a natural ability to find space and to shoot accurately from distance, his best skills are wasted in a back line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Andym2008 on April 09, 2008, 02:01:20 PM
I dont no how people can say that Mayobridge are the best team in down, there team revolves around one man, Benny Coulter. Now dont get me wrong Benny is a world class full-foward but as a very proud An Riócht man i could name 4 or 5 players that would walk on that Mayobridge team (Brendan Mcveigh, Deaglan O'Rielly, Christopher Killen, Paddy Cole and Jhon Clarke).
It really angers me when i hear people say that "Mayobridge are the best team in down and always will be.". I really think that you should watch out for An Riócht from this season onwards you will all be looking at us in a different light!


Andrew Magorrian
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 09, 2008, 03:34:53 PM
Quote from: Andym2008 on April 09, 2008, 02:01:20 PM
I dont no how people can say that Mayobridge are the best team in down, there team revolves around one man, Benny Coulter. Now dont get me wrong Benny is a world class full-foward but as a very proud An Riócht man i could name 4 or 5 players that would walk on that Mayobridge team (Brendan Mcveigh, Deaglan O'Rielly, Christopher Killen, Paddy Cole and Jhon Clarke).
It really angers me when i hear people say that "Mayobridge are the best team in down and always will be.". I really think that you should watch out for An Riócht from this season onwards you will all be looking at us in a different light!


Andrew Magorrian


Have they closed down Hoganstand.com as well ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on April 09, 2008, 04:13:32 PM
Why dont they try Benny at CHB or even full back if the forward line ( for whatever reason) functions better without him ?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 09, 2008, 05:34:39 PM
Quote from: Andym2008 on April 09, 2008, 02:01:20 PM
I dont no how people can say that Mayobridge are the best team in down, there team revolves around one man, Benny Coulter. Now dont get me wrong Benny is a world class full-foward but as a very proud An Riócht man i could name 4 or 5 players that would walk on that Mayobridge team (Brendan Mcveigh, Deaglan O'Rielly, Christopher Killen, Paddy Cole and Jhon Clarke).
It really angers me when i hear people say that "Mayobridge are the best team in down and always will be.". I really think that you should watch out for An Riócht from this season onwards you will all be looking at us in a different light!


Andrew Magorrian

Great to have you on board Andrew, no one ever said that the bridge will always be the best team but since 99 we have been the most dominant force in the county and still have a strong panel for the coming season.. yes, benny is our focal point but we have plenty of players who are potential match winners.. trust me i will be watching out for the Kingdom and will be interesting to see if they can establish themselves as a championship team!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 09, 2008, 11:21:15 PM
Not exactly sure what 'Andym 2008' means when he says that Benny is a "world class forward", i thought that Gaelic football was a National sport so how can he be rated World class ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 10, 2008, 10:43:30 AM
Busy Sunday for the county teams. Will there be enough shirts to go around?

Hopefully the footballers can bounce back with a big win over Limerick. Good luck to the hurlers in Cavan.

13.04.08 (Sun) @ 2.30pm
Roinn III
Newry:  An Dún v Luimneach
Referee: Cormac Reilly (An Mhí)

13.04.08 (Sun) @ 2.30pm
Roinn II  Semi-Finals
Kingspan Breffni Pk:  Iar Mhi v An Dun
Referee: Éamon Ó Muiris, (Baile Átha Cliath)
[E.T if necessary]

13.04.08 (Sun) @ 2.30pm
Roinn IV Final
Kingspan Breffni Pk: An Dun Theas v Muineachan
Referee: John Devlin, (Tír Eoghain)
[E.T if necessary]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 10, 2008, 01:20:03 PM
According to the IN , McComiskey has a hamstring problem , hopefully he will be okay for Navan .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on April 10, 2008, 04:36:46 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 10, 2008, 10:43:30 AM
Busy Sunday for the county teams. Will there be enough shirts to go around?

Ah sure there must be plenty of shirts in that flash logistics van that they had on display at Carrick-on-Shannon  ;)


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 10, 2008, 07:10:35 PM
Quote from: western exile on April 10, 2008, 04:36:46 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 10, 2008, 10:43:30 AM
Busy Sunday for the county teams. Will there be enough shirts to go around?

Ah sure there must be plenty of shirts in that flash logistics van that they had on display at Carrick-on-Shannon  ;)




Stuffed shirts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on April 10, 2008, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: Andym2008 on April 09, 2008, 02:01:20 PMI dont no how people can say that Mayobridge are the best team in down, there team revolves around one man, Benny Coulter. Now dont get me wrong Benny is a world class full-foward but as a very proud An Riócht man i could name 4 or 5 players that would walk on that Mayobridge team (Brendan Mcveigh, Deaglan O'Rielly, Christopher Killen, Paddy Cole and Jhon Clarke).It really angers me when i hear people say that "Mayobridge are the best team in down and always will be.". I really think that you should watch out for An Riócht from this season onwards you will all be looking at us in a different light!Andrew Magorrian
Andym2008, are you being serious?? The only player that would walk on the bridge team is John Clarke. Declan OReilly? Yea good one, are you related by any chance. Are you forgetting ya's were in the second division just two years ago. As big tom says from 99 we have been dominant and will continue to be. 5 lads on u 21 squad, 3 on county minors, looking good for our future. Benny is only 25 coming 26, a good ten years in him yet. Mickey Walsh should be on county team, Sexton is, Cathal Magee in and around also, Pluggy turned offer down so bridge aint bad.  I think the bridge are actually getting stronger, the squad of minors coming through is unreal at the moment also. So watch this space. I predict a first round exit for yourselves!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 10, 2008, 10:02:50 PM
Andy Mo / Bridge Lad - as in most silly arguments, the truth is somewhere in between. By the way, neither of you mentioned him, but Liam McVeigh would walk into every team in this county, and is every bit, if not more important to the Kingdom's cause as John Clarke.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 10, 2008, 11:30:50 PM
No official word yet but I believe the start of the league is pushed back to Wed 23rd April
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 10, 2008, 11:39:19 PM
yes i heard this also from a few people tonight. just 2 days between the first and second rounds of games. surely it would make more sense to make it tuesday 22nd instead although still 2 days of rest only for anyone involved for down on sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on April 11, 2008, 03:50:48 PM
heard they are moving the start of league to wed 23rd and the second round of fixtures is sun 27th april.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Andym2008 on April 11, 2008, 05:20:59 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on April 10, 2008, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: Andym2008 on April 09, 2008, 02:01:20 PMI dont no how people can say that Mayobridge are the best team in down, there team revolves around one man, Benny Coulter. Now dont get me wrong Benny is a world class full-foward but as a very proud An Riócht man i could name 4 or 5 players that would walk on that Mayobridge team (Brendan Mcveigh, Deaglan O'Rielly, Christopher Killen, Paddy Cole and Jhon Clarke).It really angers me when i hear people say that "Mayobridge are the best team in down and always will be.". I really think that you should watch out for An Riócht from this season onwards you will all be looking at us in a different light!Andrew Magorrian
Andym2008, are you being serious?? The only player that would walk on the bridge team is John Clarke. Declan OReilly? Yea good one, are you related by any chance. Are you forgetting ya's were in the second division just two years ago. As big tom says from 99 we have been dominant and will continue to be. 5 lads on u 21 squad, 3 on county minors, looking good for our future. Benny is only 25 coming 26, a good ten years in him yet. Mickey Walsh should be on county team, Sexton is, Cathal Magee in and around also, Pluggy turned offer down so bridge aint bad.  I think the bridge are actually getting stronger, the squad of minors coming through is unreal at the moment also. So watch this space. I predict a first round exit for yourselves!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D
Well as much as i dont care what you think, KINGDOM will go all the way...How many of your minor have won an all-ireland????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 12, 2008, 08:07:39 PM
Andy you little loser, 1999 five reps from mayobridge , 2005 five again... go back to the hogan stand
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 13, 2008, 10:01:15 AM
Agree with T O'hare, 'andym2008' clear off to Hogan Stand if you have nothing sensible to post!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on April 13, 2008, 11:24:46 AM
boys does anyone know if friday nights games are being moved to wednesday instead. please get back.

mo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 13, 2008, 03:54:06 PM
St. Paul's 1-10 St. Michael's 2-6

good to get the first win of the season under the belts, hopefully we can push on from here and get a few more!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardmhachaabu08 on April 13, 2008, 04:56:38 PM
Spose Ross and DJ are geniuses now? Or should that be geniui, I'm not sure
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 13, 2008, 05:14:20 PM
Shocking stuff at Esller Park today, pegged back from 11 points in front to just 4 at one stage by a very poor Limerick team.
Assessment:

McVeigh   - OK and some of the kik-outs were a bit better
Howard - brave (but limited) performance
McGovern - at sea under the high ball
Cole - ditto
Carr - useful enough and this is his position
Doyle - class is there. Is the ambition?
McGuigan - nowhere near the mark
Turley - was he on?
Gordon - has the stuff but needs stronger stuff
Kearney - tried hard but wouldn't get on another Ulster team
Sexton - nowhere - his work-rate always inpresses but completely lost in this position
Hughes - confidence is waning although took goal with aplomb
Clarke - good in parts
McKernan - what?
Coulter - looked in first half that he would win it on his own so we stopped using him in 2nd half


Overall, dire
At 11  ponts up we looked for a while that we might step up a gear and run in a big score that could put dsome pressure on Wexford. Then total collapse.

We have made absolutley NO progress in these past two years and Scullion and Molloy don't look so bad in defence after all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lisdoon1 on April 13, 2008, 05:27:07 PM
Dire surely....  Think Doyle is top class act. He looks at ease on the ball 99% of the time.

Benny didnt want to know second half. Mcveigh is not our answer to goals.

Well done to Jack Lynch, someone not afraid to hit his man a dig, I think we show teams too much respect & we need a few hard hitters in the middle pf the park....

Overall scrappy enough & we should never have alloed them to claw back into the game

On a positive, good to see Paul Murph comeing back...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lisdoon1 on April 13, 2008, 06:00:48 PM
He has to be inthe mix messy.... hard hitters need only apply. All during the game today their no 9 & 10 were getting stuck in & throwing their weight about.... Lynch has the physical ability to cause enough problems for teams.

Re Aidan Carr.... Im not sure, I havent seen enough oif him this year, I think he played very well today, a few games on the half forward line would be interesting.

Anyone know how far away Murph is from comeback?

Also, Ronan Murtagh Injured? & Where is mickey Walsh???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 13, 2008, 06:02:42 PM
I dunno what game yiz were at lads cos I thought Aidan Carr was our best player :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 13, 2008, 06:27:29 PM
Who was number 32 ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on April 13, 2008, 06:38:58 PM
I think Leo has summed things up pretty well, but I am still not convinced that Liam Doyle is a centre half back. We still havent found anyone to play at centre half forward. Doyle is comfortable on the ball, can pass a ball and is classy, but he cant defend. I would play him at No.11.

One thing that I cant figure out. What are the defence doing in training? Surely they should be at least practicing tackling and putting their men under pressure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on April 13, 2008, 06:43:13 PM
I think the defence is and always will be the major problem.  Conceeding 1-15 even though we appeared to be cruising, and 6 scores in a row is simply not the standard that will win championship games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 13, 2008, 08:35:57 PM
div 3 result

Glenn 2-7
Drumaness 0-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 13, 2008, 08:46:08 PM
A dire depressing performance today lads, a good team would have slaughtered us. Perhaps the big lead initially led to loss of concentration and focus. We have made no progress towards solving our defensive problems. Poor options to partner Gordon at MF, lynch the best of bad bunch, at least he competes. Doyle must be retained at CHB, his natural position. At least we have a viable range of choice for forward positions, but until we sort out defence we are going nowhere. There must be a good defensive coach available, somewhere in the country, never was he more needed than here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Andym2008 on April 13, 2008, 08:52:01 PM
2 in 1999 with down
4 in 2005 with down
4 in 2007 with st.columbans
an 1 in 2008 with st.malachys

U gimp
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on April 13, 2008, 09:07:56 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on April 13, 2008, 08:46:08 PM
Doyle must be retained at CHB, his natural position. At least we have a viable range of choice for forward positions, but until we sort out defence we are going nowhere. There must be a good defensive coach available, somewhere in the country, never was he more needed than here.

How can anyone claim that Liam Doyle is a natural CHB, when every team we have played this year have ran right through the centre of our defence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 13, 2008, 09:24:47 PM
Thats due to the lack of cover provided when Doyle moves forward to set up or support attacks, or is dragged out of position by his marker. Gordons partner should be a defensive midfielder who can drop back quickly to fill gaps. Every successful Down  team, indeed every successful team from any county, employs this stratagem
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 13, 2008, 10:19:06 PM
The scoreline tells the story from Newry today, as yet again we ran up a decent total but still managed to concede 1-15 against fairly ordinary opposition. The most frustrating aspect was that we were 11 pts up in the middle of the second half and looking as though we could wipe out our scoring difference with Wexford. However, we urgently needed some fresh legs when Limerick came back at us and it was astonishing that not a single sub appeared until the last three or four minutes. By that stage, Limerick had cut our lead to four points and were playing like winners. They pushed too many men up, and Clarke hit them with a goal on the break, but changes at midfield and up front could have killed the game much earlier.

It seems that the experiment with McArdle at full back is over, as he did not feature, but our entire full back line, while decent players, were far too small today. Carr was probably MoM and Doyle, despite the doubts over his defensive abilities, also drove forward well. There can be no guarentee that he will cope with a fully fit McGuigan on June 8, but he is still just about the best bet for the position. McGuigan is yet another wing haf who is fine pushing up but stuggles at the back. Gordon had a reasonable game in the middle, although Turley, who wore 32, was in and out.

I thought McKernan was OK, although he ran out of steam and with an AI u21 semi next week he was crying out to be replaced in the third quarter. Hughes, apart from his goal, looked a shadow of the player who terrorised opponents earlier in the year, and Sexton works exceptionally hard but has to stay on the wings. Kearney was ordinary, but Coulter and Clarke were both good. Coulter made two goals and Clarke scored the other two. The subs came on too late to make any difference, apart from Lynch, who made quite an impact without touching the ball.

All the options we have so far tried at the back in terms of both tactics and personnel have been found wanting, so we cannot have much optimism for the summer. Murney will probably get a run at full back, but,while he has the ability, he is probably not big enough. Colgan has leadership qualities but lacks pace. Does anyone think there is any point in trying out Ambrose at the back, even in a challenge game ? He has no experience there, but at least he has some height and pace.

Despite everything, I still think we can give Tyrone a decent game in Omagh. Whether we are capable of winning two consecutive matches in either the Ulster championship or the qualifiers is another thing entirely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 13, 2008, 10:29:13 PM
Quote from: boscomo on April 13, 2008, 11:24:46 AM
boys does anyone know if friday nights games are being moved to wednesday instead. please get back.

mo

A Chara
Due to Senior and U 21 county fixtures on next week end the Div 1 2 & 3 games sheduled for Friday 18th will now be played on Wednesday 23rd with a throw in time of 6 45 fixtures and Referees will be forwared at W/end.

is mise
Sean O Ruanaidh
leas runai
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 14, 2008, 01:44:17 AM
Bottom line today in the Marshes lads was that a bunch of hurlers matched us in most departments.

However I thought John Clarke was superb, Benny was a threat every time he got a good ball in to him. McKernan looks like a county footballer unlike our LHB and LHF.

Aidan Carr was our best player by a mile......BUT we need to work on the keeper situation :-\


The thing that worries me is that... what hope have we got V Tyrone if we cant go to the county with the smallest population in Ireland and not get a result :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 14, 2008, 10:07:51 AM
The only word I can use to describe yesterdays match is painful. It looks like we are going backwards, and quite a few players appear to have lost confidence in their own abilities. The energy and dare I say it flare that they were playing with during the mc kenna cup has gone. Yesterdays game was played like a challenge game with too many players looking like they didn't care, there was no hard hitting, far too many unnecessary hand passes, countless unforced errors and both teams were able to score at will.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 14, 2008, 10:48:15 AM
Reminded me of the Wexford game in Newcastle a couple of yrs ago , Down nearly out of sight and then go to sleep and before we know it Limerick are only 2 scores down . Just don't know how that defense can be sorted out . What was wee Martins quote " if a hay truck drove through that Down defense they wouldn't come up with a handful of hay between them " sad but true .

Thought John Clarke was on top form , out in front of his man all day and never wasted a ball .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 14, 2008, 11:03:23 AM

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Down 4-13 Limerick 1-15
Monday, April 14, 2008

Traditionally Down footballers have favoured the bright sunshine and the firm sod and that is how it was at Pairc Esler yesterday where Ross Carr's charges produced some scintillating football, scoring 4-13 against Mickey Ned Sullivan's Limerick.

It was a scoreline which gave Down a seven-point winning margin against their relegation-threatened opponents and also keeps alive Down's slim hopes of promotion.

After the game Ross Carr, the Down manager, conceded that whilst their destiny was not in their own hands, he had a "feelgood factor" about this result.

"Any time you win a county game by seven points has to be good," the Clonduff club man said.

Not surprisingly, Down had made a number of changes to the line-up which had started in Carrick on Shannon. Aidan Carr John Clarke and Stephen promoted to the starting 15.

International Rules and rugby union top scorer Stephen Kelly threatened to tear the Down defence apart in the early stages with his blistering pace but Down soon turned defence into attack and, already a point to the good, Carr dispensed a spot kick to stretch the Down lead.

"It was," the manager said after the game, "a score which settled the team and after that we played some very good football."


It was another ball from Carr which led to the second Down goal, this time his long delivery was collected by Coulter whose vision and inch-perfect pass picked out Danny Hughes who, on the run, volleyed into the net and by the interval Down had moved 2-8 to 0-5 ahead.


Following a Hughes sideline free, Carr's long through ball to Sexton created the chance for Clarke to score Down's third goal but, amazingly, the home side lost their concentration and Limerick kicked six unanswered points to reduce the Down lead to four points with eight minutes left.

But again Carr picked up a ball deep in his own half, his long through ball beat the Limerick defence for Clarke to run on and shoot into the empty net to confirm the victory.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 14, 2008, 11:10:14 AM
im surprised no one has mentioned how poor the referee was yesterday. he must have booked nearly everyone yet there was hardly a tackle in the whole game, never mind a bad one. and although i didnt see it he appeared to send the limerick man off for very little.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 14, 2008, 12:42:05 PM
I left with a minute to go, why did the Limerick man get sent off?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 14, 2008, 12:50:30 PM
He smacked Jackie Lynch who had just come on. Jack got a dig back at him and wasnt even spoken to.

The two boys went toe to toe again after the final whistle and there was nearly a free for all in the middle of the field....it all blew over very quickly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 14, 2008, 02:31:56 PM
Quoteand although i didnt see it he appeared to send the limerick man off for very little.

;D  Classic.  You aren't a Westmeath man by any chance?  ;)

  Good to see big Jack back to his best! 

  As for boys saying we need someone like Jack in the middle, we've been there and done that.  Have you all forgotten about Sean Ward?  His spell in midfield didn't exactly coincide with a golden era and he was a much better footballer. 

  Paul Murphy should get the spot.  Ambrose has done nothing in a county jersey, ever.

  We are poor and will remain poor until we unearth/grow/steal 4 or 5 decent defenders.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 14, 2008, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 14, 2008, 02:31:56 PM
Quoteand although i didnt see it he appeared to send the limerick man off for very little.

;D  Classic.  You aren't a Westmeath man by any chance?  ;)

  Good to see big Jack back to his best! 
   

sorry lads i didnt realise that he actually hit jack, just thought it was a bit of shoulder to shoulder handbags. my mistake. good to see jackie standing up for himself, alot of players could learn from him. something down are missing at present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 14, 2008, 05:19:34 PM

   
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sorry lads i didnt realise that he actually hit jack, just thought it was a bit of shoulder to shoulder handbags. my mistake. good to see jackie standing up for himself, alot of players could learn from him. something down are missing at present.[/quote]


Agree 100%. The Limerick no 10 (Kelly) was throwing his weight about and generally acting the hard man. The guy beside me said somebody needs to nail that cnut but we realised then that we have nobody to put manners on dirty hoors like him anymore.....we need a few guys in the mould of Higgins, Blaney and dare I say it Paddy O'Rourke to add a bit of steel to that team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on April 14, 2008, 09:24:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 13, 2008, 10:19:06 PM
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It seems that the experiment with McArdle at full back is over, as he did not feature, but our entire full back line, while decent players, were far too small today. .....
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Is that because he finally had a bad 30 minutes (in Carrick-on-Shannon) ?   If every player was dropped whenever they ever have  a bad 30 minutes we would have no one left  >:(
Perhaps he is injured?  ???

Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 13, 2008, 10:19:06 PM
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All the options we have so far tried at the back in terms of both tactics and personnel have been found wanting, so we cannot have much optimism for the summer. Murney will probably get a run at full back, but,while he has the ability, he is probably not big enough. Colgan has leadership qualities but lacks pace. Does anyone think there is any point in trying out Ambrose at the back, even in a challenge game ? He has no experience there, but at least he has some height and pace.
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Why not? you make a good point.   Surely the management would have considered that already. Were there not rumours of Colgan refusing that option?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on April 14, 2008, 09:36:31 PM
Didn't get to the match yest, but sounds like stupid mistakes that they made against Leitrim. This would have been an ideal time to put pressure on Wexford, just not good enough. Some posters were saying about Danny Hughes and how he has slipped back from McKenna cup, he was prob fittest man in Ireland at that stage but now everyone has caught up with him he aint standing out now, as for all the Down lads.
The team that has learnt more and benefited more from the McKenna cup have been Derry, they are now in the division one final against Kerry, shows the difference between the two teams!

As for the issue on Mickey Walsh, he is playing out of his skin at the moment, the bridge played Errigal Ciaran yest and he ran them ragged, setting up and putting scores over from left right and centre. Another two men in bridge colours who would be worth a shout,  Shane OHare and Brendan Grant also started season well.
I dont see a better full back in the county squad at the moment than Brendan Grant.  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 14, 2008, 10:06:50 PM
Totally agree Bridgelad,Brendan Grant is as good as any options we currently have in the panel, but we dont need as good, we need much better, and i cant see him making a significant difference
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 15, 2008, 12:10:06 AM
The Limerick player seemed to be sent off for very little, but then he ran on throwing punches after the final whistle and could have got another red card. The referee was pretty dreadful anyway, and stuck firmly to the unwritten rule that every decision must be given to the against the team which is in the lead.

Lynch is a limited enough player, but the physical side of his game could help what is a fairly lightweight Down side. I would certainly try Murphy at full back, but he might be more useful as an extra defender pushing up to support the midfield. We don't have much to lose at this stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 15, 2008, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on April 14, 2008, 09:36:31 PM
Didn't get to the match yest, but sounds like stupid mistakes that they made against Leitrim. This would have been an ideal time to put pressure on Wexford, just not good enough. Some posters were saying about Danny Hughes and how he has slipped back from McKenna cup, he was prob fittest man in Ireland at that stage but now everyone has caught up with him he aint standing out now, as for all the Down lads.
The team that has learnt more and benefited more from the McKenna cup have been Derry, they are now in the division one final against Kerry, shows the difference between the two teams!

As for the issue on Mickey Walsh, he is playing out of his skin at the moment, the bridge played Errigal Ciaran yest and he ran them ragged, setting up and putting scores over from left right and centre. Another two men in bridge colours who would be worth a shout,  Shane OHare and Brendan Grant also started season well.
I dont see a better full back in the county squad at the moment than Brendan Grant.  :-\ :-\ :-\

Is there more to this than meets the eye ? just can't understand how a player of his quality can be left off the team never mind the panel . We are crying out for a play maker and Walsh is our best option IMO .

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 15, 2008, 10:23:37 AM
Murtagh to miss out
15 April 2008


Down look set to be without the versatile Ronan Murtagh once again for Sunday's crucial NFL Division 3 clash with Fermanagh in Newry.

A hand injury forced Murtagh to miss last weekend's win over Limerick, and it is unlikely to heal in time for Sunday's game which Down must win to have any hope of securing promotion.

"It does not look as if Ronan will be ready for this weekend," said team spokesman Diarmuid Cahill.

"He is likely to see a specialist about the damage to his hand this week."

Mourne County manager Ross Carr could also have to plan without under 21 players Kevin McKernan, Paul McComiskey, Colm Murney, James Colgan, Cathal Magee, Packie Downey and Michael McAllister whose main focus this weekend is on Saturday's All-Ireland under 21 semi-final against Kildare in Navan.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 15, 2008, 02:18:12 PM
I have been very impressed with both walsh and grant, walsh is a graet break place winner and also a great paaser to corner forwards running into space. B Grant had a stormer on sunday and put a lean looking eoin gormley in his pocket
the bridge selectors will have an awful headache this year, a lot of impreeesive minors this year who have been tried in pre-season and who have nt been found wanting!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 15, 2008, 03:24:12 PM
There is definatley a place for Walsh in the team as breaking ball is a major weakness, snd someone who can spray passes from the forty and get the whole attack moving a lot quicker. As for Grant he has been tried and tried again and unless he has recieved an injection of pace over the winter months I cant see him being a big addition, also would he even accept a call up after being snubbed again????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 15, 2008, 04:11:59 PM
This post from February is worth revisiting:

"Of the team that started against Sligo:

McVeigh - still not sure - prefer Alder
McGovern - lack of height exposed but his commitment should earn panel place
McArdle - worth persevering with him - very cool & learnin fast
Cole - shoe-in - class act
O'Hanlon - out of his depth
Doyle - up where he belongs - gold dust
McGuigan - shows well on the ball but defensively weak & willl have to settle for a panel place
Lynch - working really hard - lacks finesse but is an option we need to persevere with
Gordon - great second half - need more consistency
Fegan - plenty of energy but don't think he will make the team later in the year
McKernan - out odf position - possible understudy for Doyle
Hughes - in the form of his life
Clarke - the forward line needs his physicality & scoring ability
Magee - for the future - reserves this year
Sexton - indespensable

Thoise who will definitely find a place are:
Coulter
Rodgers
Carr (althoug probably not at half back which should be where he plays)

Strong contenders are:
Murtagh
Rafferty
Murphy
Colgan"

Nothing has changed.
I said Coulter Rodgers & Carr will definitely start. In the case of Ambrose this would not be on merit and his recent form confirms that but I still think his face fits with management and he will be there.

Looking at the team above it now seems we have a new crisis at full back and my earlier calls re Colgan are pertinent. He doesn't want to play there I'm told. Then off the panel with him - any player selected for Down should be honoured to play in any position. If  he's not in the running then Murney might fit the bill with Cole and Howard in the corners.

Kearney may now be in contention as will McComiskey (wrongly omitted by me previously) but Kearney has all the attributes except he just wants to get rid of the ball too much - needs to take on responsibility.

Hughes has gone off the boil a bit and seems to be undervalued by management but he is better than anything on the bench. The proper tactics for getting quick ball up to Coulter & Clarke with Hughes & McComiskey coming on in support is the way to go. Then use the other two (Sexton & Murtagh?) to fill  out the midfield area where our inability to win clean possession or break ball can be overcome by force of numbers.

Carr showed on Sunday that he can be a good half back as I suggested before. Hope Murphy is OK for the otrher wing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 15, 2008, 06:49:59 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 13, 2008, 08:35:57 PM
div 3 result

Glenn 2-7
Drumaness 0-11

that's not much use minus. What about a wee report. Should we add Drumaness to the list of relegation candidates or were ye a lot better than the previous week? I noticed a few of their spys at that game, they mustn't have learnt much.

St Michaels were weaker than I expected them to be (a few of their better players missing from the last time we played them, is this a permanent situation our nail?) but we still struggled big time to beat them. Laverty looks to be enjoying the student life a bit too much, still a handfull at this level though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 15, 2008, 07:32:22 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 15, 2008, 06:49:59 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 13, 2008, 08:35:57 PM
div 3 result

Glenn 2-7
Drumaness 0-11

that's not much use minus. What about a wee report. Should we add Drumaness to the list of relegation candidates or were ye a lot better than the previous week? I noticed a few of their spys at that game, they mustn't have learnt much.

St Michaels were weaker than I expected them to be (a few of their better players missing from the last time we played them, is this a permanent situation our nail?) but we still struggled big time to beat them. Laverty looks to be enjoying the student life a bit too much, still a handfull at this level though.

from what i heard Glenn got the 2 goals in the last 3 minutes, to win the game. that's sounds really familiar.  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on April 15, 2008, 07:40:01 PM
st pauls what sort of team would your reserves have?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 15, 2008, 09:54:49 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on April 15, 2008, 07:40:01 PM
st pauls what sort of team would your reserves have?

Expecting a good run from the Reserves this season, we are looking to build on last season when we fell at the final hurdle....First two results this season have been very promising, but with Laiotriom and Kilcoo the next two opponents, we will see what our boys are made of!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 16, 2008, 12:25:07 AM
Quote from: passedit on April 15, 2008, 06:49:59 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 13, 2008, 08:35:57 PM
div 3 result

Glenn 2-7
Drumaness 0-11

that's not much use minus. What about a wee report. Should we add Drumaness to the list of relegation candidates or were ye a lot better than the previous week? I noticed a few of their spys at that game, they mustn't have learnt much.

St Michaels were weaker than I expected them to be (a few of their better players missing from the last time we played them, is this a permanent situation our nail?) but we still struggled big time to beat them. Laverty looks to be enjoying the student life a bit too much, still a handfull at this level though.


As st. pauls says we got the two goals in the last few minutes to steal the points against a terrible team in drumaness! The less said about that game of football the better! dire from both sides!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 16, 2008, 10:28:28 AM
Is the 21's game on TG4 ? I'll hardly get a pass two days in a row  :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 16, 2008, 10:37:01 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 16, 2008, 12:25:07 AM
Quote from: passedit on April 15, 2008, 06:49:59 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 13, 2008, 08:35:57 PM
div 3 result

Glenn 2-7
Drumaness 0-11

that's not much use minus. What about a wee report. Should we add Drumaness to the list of relegation candidates or were ye a lot better than the previous week? I noticed a few of their spys at that game, they mustn't have learnt much.

St Michaels were weaker than I expected them to be (a few of their better players missing from the last time we played them, is this a permanent situation our nail?) but we still struggled big time to beat them. Laverty looks to be enjoying the student life a bit too much, still a handfull at this level though.


As st. pauls says we got the two goals in the last few minutes to steal the points against a terrible team in drumaness! The less said about that game of football the better! dire from both sides!

So i'll add them to the list then so. It appears to me even at this early stage that it'll be a top four of Bredagh,Carryduff,Drumgath and Glassdrumman with the rest nowhere.

Lfdown, I wouldn't be worrying about St Pauls seconds, although they beat your lot well last year they've lost over half the team that played that day to retirement and promotion to the seniors, plus their manager doesnt know his arse from his elbow. They wont keep it kicked out to ye.

btw, I assume from your interest that ye're togging out yerself?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on April 16, 2008, 10:50:53 AM
Quote from: downredblack on April 16, 2008, 10:28:28 AM
Is the 21's game on TG4 ? I'll hardly get a pass two days in a row  :(

TG4 are showing both games, I missed the Ulster U21 final as we had already gone down to Leitrim, I think I`ll give the U21s priority this time round.

From www.tg4.ie
SATURDAY - 19th APRIL
14:45 - GAA Beo - All-Ireland Under-21 Football Semi-Finals
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 16, 2008, 10:54:48 AM
Quote from: Down Gael on April 16, 2008, 10:50:53 AM
Quote from: downredblack on April 16, 2008, 10:28:28 AM
Is the 21's game on TG4 ? I'll hardly get a pass two days in a row  :(

TG4 are showing both games, I missed the Ulster U21 final as we had already gone down to Leitrim, I think I`ll give the U21s priority this time round.

From www.tg4.ie
SATURDAY - 19th APRIL
14:45 - GAA Beo - All-Ireland Under-21 Football Semi-Finals


Great news , nice 1 Gael . Thks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on April 16, 2008, 01:03:08 PM
all being well passedit!!
better start for us the year, kilcoo beat us by 1pt and were lucky to do so, last year (though i wasnt in the country) i think there was 10-15+ more in it!
maybe i was the difference! :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on April 17, 2008, 01:48:06 PM
Anyone got results/tables of the EDRFL?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on April 17, 2008, 02:00:51 PM
so far kilcoo beat liatroim by 1
liatroim drumaness postponed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 18, 2008, 07:32:10 AM
I was down in Ballyholland yesterday. That's a great new stand they've built. Really looks the part and would put most Irish league grounds to shame.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 18, 2008, 10:31:17 AM
From todays Irish News;
The first set of fixtures in Div1,2&3 are to played Wednesday 23rd April, second series Monday 5th May and third series Thursday 8th May.
This is to facilitate the county team incase they make the Div 3 final - wtf ??? and also a training camp on 10th and 11th May for the senior panel.

What if the Under 21's make the All Ireland Final surely this is a more realistic chance than the senior making the Div 3 final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 18, 2008, 10:32:33 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on April 17, 2008, 01:48:06 PM
Anyone got results/tables of the EDRFL?

Bryansford have won 2/2 over Bright and Ardglass
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 18, 2008, 11:07:44 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on April 18, 2008, 10:32:33 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on April 17, 2008, 01:48:06 PM
Anyone got results/tables of the EDRFL?

Bryansford have won 2/2 over Bright and Ardglass

St Pauls have beaten Teconnaught and Dundrum, how have St Johns got on Johnnie. Also does anyone know how the league will be decided now it has been split into two sections?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on April 18, 2008, 11:54:08 AM
EDRL A
Carryduff lost to C'wellan
Bredagh w/o Ardglass d/f
Bredagh bt Darragh Cross
Darragh Cross won their 1st game

Is St Pauls' v Glassdrumman tonight in Holywood?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 18, 2008, 12:12:07 PM
QuoteThe first set of fixtures in Div1,2&3 are to played Wednesday 23rd April, second series Monday 5th May and third series Thursday 8th May.
Spirit, was this news in Matt Fitzpatrick's occasionally erroneous round-up, or in as a separate story?

The clubs haven't been notified by email of any changes such as this. I was also pretty sure that the County Board can no longer shift club fixtures to facilitate county squad training weekends.


Lecale2, thanks for the kind comments. The stand really would do you proud.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 18, 2008, 12:46:11 PM
Wobbs - Yeah in Matts county round up - he stated that Sean Rooney confirmed this yesterday!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 18, 2008, 01:44:40 PM
Div 3 has been up and running for a while so what are they on about?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 18, 2008, 04:24:36 PM
Quote from: lecale4 on April 18, 2008, 11:54:08 AM
EDRL A
Carryduff lost to C'wellan
Bredagh w/o Ardglass d/f
Bredagh bt Darragh Cross
Darragh Cross won their 1st game

Is St Pauls' v Glassdrumman tonight in Holywood?

6.45, come up and give us a cheer.  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 18, 2008, 08:47:41 PM
passedit... report on your game tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on April 18, 2008, 08:54:12 PM
St Paul's Glassdrumman - DRAW

St Paul's ahead for most of it - G'd equalised late on!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 18, 2008, 09:19:52 PM
Quote from: lecale4 on April 18, 2008, 08:54:12 PM
St Paul's Glassdrumman - DRAW

St Paul's ahead for most of it - G'd equalised late on!!

maybe rumors of St Paul's demise have been greatly exaggerated

Thats no team in div 3 with a 100% record
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 18, 2008, 09:37:14 PM
St.Pauls 0-11 - Glassdrumman 0-11..

A game we are disappointed to have drawn.  Having taken a 0-05 to 0-01 lead and to go in 0-06 to 0-05 at half time was disappointing after we played so well against the wind.

Two late Glasdrumman scores tied the game again from some basic errors from us gifted them the opportunity to draw level.

Anyhow, onward and upwards!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 18, 2008, 09:42:04 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 18, 2008, 08:47:41 PM
passedit... report on your game tonight?

If you'd offered me a point at 6.45 this evening i'd have bit your hand off, especially as we were missing three of our strongest 6 forwards.Now i'm gutted, we played as well as I can remember but contrived to throw away a two point lead with time up. Despite the fact that the ref was playing for a draw we had enough chances to be out of sight at that stage. Both teams played better against the strong breeze than with it but Glassdrumman will feel blessed to get out of holywood with a draw. Still you're better getting a 'neutral's' view from Lecale4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 18, 2008, 10:36:55 PM
Carryduff beat Teconnaught 2-07 to 1-07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 18, 2008, 11:04:28 PM
Great result for St Pauls.  Seems like a win was possible. 

Can't help wondering if Glasdrumman were affected by the early Friday evening throw-in and a long trip to Holywood?  Had they any players missing?

Well done to Pauls anyway
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 18, 2008, 11:17:55 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 18, 2008, 11:04:28 PM
Great result for St Pauls.  Seems like a win was possible. 

Can't help wondering if Glasdrumman were affected by the early Friday evening throw-in and a long trip to Holywood?  Had they any players missing?

Well done to Pauls anyway

::)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 19, 2008, 07:46:33 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 18, 2008, 11:04:28 PM
. 

Can't help wondering if Glasdrumman were affected by the early Friday evening throw-in and a long trip to Holywood?  Had they any players missing?



Typical... ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 19, 2008, 09:14:13 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on April 19, 2008, 07:46:33 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 18, 2008, 11:04:28 PM
. 

Can't help wondering if Glasdrumman were affected by the early Friday evening throw-in and a long trip to Holywood?  Had they any players missing?



Typical... ::)

Typical of what?
Can't you accept praise when it is given?  As regards my question, its reasonable and anyone would wonder the same.  Chill out man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on April 19, 2008, 11:29:02 AM
Passedit -

Good performance from St Paul's - they seem to lack something though - self belief - don't think they can hold on to a lead? Maybe they will improve on this as the season progresses and they realise they are better than several of the teams in this league.
It is a hard ground to come to - very tight, and maybe a team like Glassdrumman will have underestimated you. They may be used to playing on a bigger pitch and only get to grips with it late on?
All in all if St Paul's keep putting in performances like this they could/should get up to mid table and avoid the dog fight at the bottom.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on April 19, 2008, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 18, 2008, 11:07:44 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on April 18, 2008, 10:32:33 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on April 17, 2008, 01:48:06 PM
Anyone got results/tables of the EDRFL?

Bryansford have won 2/2 over Bright and Ardglass

St Pauls have beaten Teconnaught and Dundrum, how have St Johns got on Johnnie. Also does anyone know how the league will be decided now it has been split into two sections?


St Johns have won 2/2, beat Saul by 1 and Kilcoo by 6.

Seniors beat Aghaderg by 9 points last night in Aghaderg.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 19, 2008, 05:44:05 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 19, 2008, 09:14:13 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on April 19, 2008, 07:46:33 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 18, 2008, 11:04:28 PM
. 

Can't help wondering if Glasdrumman were affected by the early Friday evening throw-in and a long trip to Holywood?  Had they any players missing?



Typical... ::)

Typical of what?
Can't you accept praise when it is given?  As regards my question, its reasonable and anyone would wonder the same.  Chill out man.

Typical of the general attitute towards our club.  We draw with the favourites for Div.3 so there must have been a serious problem with them i.e. the long drive to Holywood or the early throw in or players missing....Perhaps it's just that we have been under-estimated by most of the "Experts" in Down Football..

We are unbeaten at home, threw away a win at Ardglass also drew with and should have beaten the Favourites for the whole thing.  Not too many predicted that.

Agree with Lecale though, Self-belief remains a problem but we are working on getting that!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FermPundit on April 19, 2008, 08:07:08 PM
Lads, where abouts is Pairc Esler in Newry, isn't it out the Warrenpoint road? Whats the best way to get to it coming into Newry from Armagh, is there good parking at the ground?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 19, 2008, 08:21:09 PM
Ferm Pundit ,

The ground is out the Warrenpoint road yes and you should have no problem getting parking around the ground going on the numbers at the game last week . You could  also park at the Keys shopping center and dander up to the ground , take you 15 mins .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FermPundit on April 19, 2008, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: downredblack on April 19, 2008, 08:21:09 PM
Ferm Pundit ,

The ground is out the Warrenpoint road yes and you should have no problem getting parking around the ground going on the numbers at the game last week . You could  also park at the Keys shopping center and dander up to the ground , take you 15 mins .

Cheers!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 19, 2008, 09:03:22 PM
Disappointing outcome at Navan for the u21s, as, although Kildare are a decent side, we could still have won but for the poor defending which led to their goal. We were slow to react when the ball went down the left wing, Murney got turned inside and McAllister was beaten at his near post. The frustrating thing was that we were in complete control at the time, with a four-point lead which looked as though it might be five or six by the break.

Digney and Garvey have both been good in the previous games but they struggled badly today. It was amazing that Digney was not replaced, while Garvey should have got a straight red for dropping his knee on a Kildare player. Duffin and Hanna did well, but our midfield tired in the second half. McComiskey was tightly marked but still kicked a couple of fine points from play, while Brannigan and McKernan also looked the part.

It's difficult to see too many u21s making an impact with the seniors this summer. Murney certainly did not look the answer to our problems at full back, although Duffin or Colgan could be worth a look at half back. McKernan is in the frame for CHF, but McComiskey might be better coming off the bench.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 19, 2008, 09:28:17 PM
Mc Cumiskey stood out head & shoulders.  Brannigan's work rate was super.  McColgan came and went.

Sorry thing is they could have taken this match handy given the amount of time they were in control of it.  Credit to Kildare though.  Although Down almost had them out on their feet they fought back and in the last 10 Down were never going to find what was needed.

Have to agree with MR re senior prospects.  Brannigan is too small, McColgan may have it but, for a young fella, its worring that he tired big time today towards the end.  McCumiskey's talent makes him the the best hope of becoming a regular sen panelist but he also is small (but that never bothered wee James).  Here's hoping (again)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 19, 2008, 09:46:39 PM
I thought Duffin was very sound and hopefully is one for the future .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Duin Abu on April 19, 2008, 11:24:08 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on April 19, 2008, 05:44:05 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 19, 2008, 09:14:13 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on April 19, 2008, 07:46:33 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 18, 2008, 11:04:28 PM
. 

Can't help wondering if Glasdrumman were affected by the early Friday evening throw-in and a long trip to Holywood?  Had they any players missing?



Typical... ::)

Typical of what?
Can't you accept praise when it is given?  As regards my question, its reasonable and anyone would wonder the same.  Chill out man.

Typical of the general attitute towards our club.  We draw with the favourites for Div.3 so there must have been a serious problem with them i.e. the long drive to Holywood or the early throw in or players missing....Perhaps it's just that we have been under-estimated by most of the "Experts" in Down Football..

We are unbeaten at home, threw away a win at Ardglass also drew with and should have beaten the Favourites for the whole thing.  Not too many predicted that.

Agree with Lecale though, Self-belief remains a problem but we are working on getting that!

I see the chips on the shoulders getting bigger around Holywood again!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 20, 2008, 08:01:32 AM
Quote from: An Duin Abu on April 19, 2008, 11:24:08 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on April 19, 2008, 05:44:05 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 19, 2008, 09:14:13 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on April 19, 2008, 07:46:33 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 18, 2008, 11:04:28 PM
. 

Can't help wondering if Glasdrumman were affected by the early Friday evening throw-in and a long trip to Holywood?  Had they any players missing?



Typical... ::)

Typical of what?
Can't you accept praise when it is given?  As regards my question, its reasonable and anyone would wonder the same.  Chill out man.

Typical of the general attitute towards our club.  We draw with the favourites for Div.3 so there must have been a serious problem with them i.e. the long drive to Holywood or the early throw in or players missing....Perhaps it's just that we have been under-estimated by most of the "Experts" in Down Football..

We are unbeaten at home, threw away a win at Ardglass also drew with and should have beaten the Favourites for the whole thing.  Not too many predicted that.

Agree with Lecale though, Self-belief remains a problem but we are working on getting that!

I see the chips on the shoulders getting bigger around Holywood again!



Aye, ST PAULS SUCK and are going to be one of the 3 going down...~No doubt about that...


Now I conform...Happy now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Double Cross on April 20, 2008, 07:04:47 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 20, 2008, 07:44:42 PM
I take it that thats a picture of the athletic grounds in armagh ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 20, 2008, 11:23:24 PM
I watched a Down player with genuine All Star quality today - unfortunately it was the repeat of Mickey Linden on the TG4 Laochra Gael. Another bad sign is that everyone else seems to be too depressed to post on the Fermanagh game. We didn't actually play that badly, but, as we all know, collectively we cannot defend and we are particularly vulnerable to a simple thump down the middle.

We were four points up with four minutes to go, and then shipped 1-3 without reply against opponents who had already been promoted and had little to play for. Going into the Ulster championship, we are still no better than seventh out of nine in the province.

McVeigh did well, with good kick-outs and several fine saves. He had no chance with the goal, after blocking the first shot, and is a certain starter n Omagh. Howard is one of several defenders who are OK in possession but poor tacklers. McGovern, before he was injured, and McGuigan are much the same, although Cole improved in the second half.
Doyle is a fine player who is not a natural centre half and might be better at wing back. Carr had another good game and will probably start in the championship.

Gordon was probably our MoM, while Turley was reasonable before he got booked. Ambrose scored two fine points and might still be Dan's best partner. Murtagh was dreadful in the first half but bounced back with two great scores after the break, while Sexton and Kearney were fairly ordinary. Clarke and Coulter were both good. O'Hanlon did well when he came on, although he seemed to be caught out for their goal, while McComiskey looked the part as usual.

It's really back to the drawing board for our defence, and the back six for Tyrone are total guesswork at this stage. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on April 21, 2008, 12:23:47 AM
This weekend has shown that there is no quick fix to all that is wrong in Down. The U21s lost yesterdays game in the middle of the park. Playing with the a very strong breeze in the first half it took them 15 minutes to impose themselves on the game, things looked to be going ok and then Kildare got a goal totally against the run of play. We can blame defenders all we want, but a goalkeeper should never get beaten at his near post like that. A 1 point lead was never going to be enough against that wind and Kildare picked points off from distance. Down didnt win one clean catch in the middle of the field in the second half. Caldwell was poor throughout and Colgan faded terribly after half time. There has been a lot of talk of Colgan being the saviour of Down football since his days as all  Ireland winning minor days, I think yesterday finally put that one to rest. Well it did for me anyway. There were some positives yesterday. As we already know, Paul McCumiskey is as good a forward as there is in the country. For me Murney has the makings of a very good defender and the CHB whos name escapes me had a good game, but as is the old story in Down a lot of the players were a bit small against what was a very big, physical Kildare side. The thing that Down lacked yesterday was a cutting edge up front, someone to split the defence, or run through and give the final pass. Sadly that man is on the other side of the World. Well done to Kildare though, they were worthy winners and are a fine side.

Moving on to today. 4 points up with less than 5 minutes to go. OK we all knew that Wexford were comfortably ahead, but a moral boosting win would have been nice. Yet again Down showed that they cant defend a lead. Fermangh are no world beaters, in fact they are no Tyrone beaters, but they ran through the middle of the Down defence and and scored 1-3 in the last 5 minutes. A bit like Monaghan did in last years championship, or even Cavan or whoever the year before. Its gone beyond a joke, our defenders cant tackle. Maybe they should have attended the U21 game yesterday and watched the Kildare team give a lesson in good hard tackling. What are these lads doing in training? Shooting practice?
Up front there are as many problems. Were do we play Benny? Why are we persisting with Ronan Sexton at CHF? he is a corner forward, end of story. We need a big, strong No.11. Not only do we need a half forward line who can defend, but it would be nice if our half backs could defend a little as well.
Its 6 weeks until the Tyrone game, 6 weeks until we go out of the Championship and into the qualifiers, where we will struggle to beat the likes of Carlow or Limerick and then fall to the might of Sligo or Waterford. We all thought last year was a low point, we would bounce back. Well we havent, we are stuck in Division 3 and by the looks of it we could be there for a while.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on April 21, 2008, 12:39:03 AM
Division 3 2009

Roscommon
Cavan
Down
Louth
Longford
Limerick
Offaly
Tipperary
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 21, 2008, 10:07:26 AM
I have to admit not getting to the game on Sunday due to ripping the dick out of it on Sat night at the X Factor so I can't really say too much about the Down performance. 

I think Roscommon and Cavan aren't as strong as Fermanagh and Wexford, but Offaly will be a tough enough place to get a win.  Division 3 will be marginally easier next year and if Down can't get out of it they may forget about it.

6 Weeks to Omagh and a lot of work to be done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on April 21, 2008, 10:19:56 AM
Again another very disappointing performance, played at a pedestrian pace in a very subdued atmosphere. I think it is unfair to come on here and criticize lads who are training hard and doing their best. We had enough chances to win the game comfortably yesterday but we missed far too many easy chances and when it came to the crunch Fermanagh were able to get the important scores with ease.
Our style of play (if you could call it that) is the most disappointing aspect, over use/ abuse of the hand pass, unwilling/unable to kick a 30 yard pass, little or no movement in our forward line, half forwards who think they have to toe tap the ball every time they get it, inability to win break ball or hold the ball in the tackle (how many times yesterday did we spill the ball after a heavy tackle). Too many off our lads play like they would in a club match, get the ball and run with it. Management need to get this sorted are Tyrone will seriously embarrass us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on April 21, 2008, 10:36:08 AM
the management have to take responsibility they have not a clue what the best team is murtagh plays half back all year then in the last competitive game before championship he is centre half forward last years centre half forward is now half back Clarke was a defender last year now a forward Doyle is a forward playing in defence what is going on.one off the best players in the county is sitting in the stand in mickey Walsh who plays in a position were we are very weak how many breaks did down get yesterday we have midfielders who cant catch the ball so we need good break ball winners.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 21, 2008, 10:48:07 AM
Coulter beat his man to the first couple of balls played in to him , result his man was called  ashore . 1 of our back 6 in particular was crying out to be subbed from midway through the first half  but remained on the field for the full 70 mins . Why was the likes of Damien Rafferty or Dan McCartan not introduced at some stage ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 21, 2008, 10:50:40 AM
I was in the middle of a long post about the continued failure of senior team management to take radical steps to address key central positions and then realised ........

Said it all before.
Nothing learned.
No change.


How many times can we go "back to the draowing board"?

No wonder Mickey Harte sat smiling throughout the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 21, 2008, 12:06:28 PM
Anyone see the Ross Carr interview in the IN yet ? Carr slams ref as "incompetent or biased" is the headline on the IN website. Thought he was bad okay and made some bad decisions for both teams , wonder what the "biased" claims are based on   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 21, 2008, 12:14:02 PM
WHEN you're Down, you're down. Seemingly set for the morale boost of a concluding victory over the divisional leaders in this disappointing campaign, the Mournemen were denied even that scant consolation by a late rally from Fermanagh.

The Ernemen trailed almost throughout, from the second minute to the 68th minute, when a Ryan Keenan goal put them in front for the first time.

Having been four points behind with only four minutes of normal time remaining, at 0-13 to 0-9, Fermanagh reeled off 1-3 without reply inside four minutes to snatch success.

Conceding goals has been Down's downfall this season, but their failure to find the net also played a part.

Seconds before Fermanagh's final flurry of scores, home substitute Paul McComiskey broke through the middle but chose to poke a shot well over the bar.

At least the Dundrum lad took a score and his decision not to go for goal was probably affected by missed opportunities from more established players or, to give credit where it's due, the impressive form of Fermanagh's stand-in goalkeeper Ronan Gallagher.

The former number one staked a strong claim to reclaim the jersey with two smart saves in the early stages of the final quarter.

Both were one-on-one chances, from Down captain Dan Gordon and then full-forward Benny Coulter, but the big St Gall's clubman kept out both with his legs.

In between those saves, another of Fermanagh's more experienced men caught the eye, Tom Brewster coming off the bench to kick a collector's item, a point with his right foot.

Added to a great free converted from the right sideline, Brewster closed the gap to a point, 0-10 to 0-9, but Down then pulled away to lead by four, and appeared on course to win.

Instead, two points inside 60 seconds, from Ciaran McElroy then Tommy McElroy, kept Fermanagh in contention – and the game's only goal then turned the tide completely.

Brendan McVeigh beat out a fierce shot from James Sherry but Keenan gathered the loose ball and fired it to the net.

In the first minute of added time the same two players combined to set up Ciaran McElroy for his fourth point from play and Fermanagh held on for a famous victory.

The visitors can be especially pleased with this win because manager Malachy O'Rourke rang the changes with promotion already assured, making five adaptations to their listed line-up, with Peter Sherry, Hugh Brady, Ciaran McElroy, Jonathan McGurn, and Liam McBarron all coming in.

Down's two alterations both came in a re-shaped attack, with Danny Hughes and Kevin McKernan left out, the latter after playing all of Saturday's U21 All-Ireland semi-final, and Ambrose Rodgers starting on the left wing and Ronan Murtagh at centre half-forward.

With Ronan Sexton operating in a roving role out of corner-forward, Down began better, opening up a 0-3 to no score lead in just over five minutes.

However, the increasingly disjointed hosts could not sustain that and Fermanagh looked consistently threatening, even though Brendan McVeigh denied Keenan in a one-on-one.

The Ernemen exhibited a more coherent pattern of play and Ciaran McElroy, Keenan, and Eamon Maguire clawed them back into it.

Fermanagh fouling in defence was punished by Aidan Carr's free-taking, but the visitors finished the first half strongly to trail by the minimum margin, 0-7 to 0-6, although Down's Sexton did lob against the bar in the closing seconds.

Word undoubtedly seeped through from Wexford that a win would not be enough for Down anyway, but after two quick scores from Murtagh gave them a three-point lead, defeat still came as a shocking blow.

MATCH STATS

Down: B McVeigh; L Howard, C McGovern,

M Cole; A Carr (0-4, 0-3 frees), L Doyle,

K McGuigan; P Turley (Saval) (0-1), D Gordon (capt.), (0-1); S Kearney, R Murtagh (0-2),

A Rodgers (0-2); J Clarke (0-1), B Coulter

(0-1), R Sexton.

Substitutes: D O'Hanlon for McGovern (15, inj.); D Hughes for Turley (52); P McComiskey (0-1) for Kearney (59).

Fermanagh: Ronan Gallagher; P Sherry,

H Brady, D O'Reilly; D Kelly, R McCluskey,

T McElroy (0-1); M McGrath (capt.),

S McDermott; C McElroy (0-4), J Sherry,

J McGurn (0-1 ?45); R Keenan (1-2, 0-1 free), L McBarron (0-1), E Maguire (0-1). Substitutes: T Brewster (0-2, 0-1 free) for McGurn (45); D McQuaid for McBarron (60).

Blood substitute: N Bogue for Brady (6-10).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 21, 2008, 12:14:38 PM
Carr slams referee after loss Allianz NFL Division 3 Down 0-13 Fermanagh 1-12
From Kenny Archer at Pairc Esler
21/04/08

DOWN manager Ross Carr labelled match referee Pat Fox either "incompetent or biased" after his side succumbed to a later sucker punch goal from Fermanagh.

The Mournemen's boss strongly criticised the performance of the Westmeath official, citing certain incidents that swung the momentum of this game in the Ernemen's favour.

The Clonduff clubman admitted that it was a very disappointing result.

"I felt we were the better team throughout the game. We always carried the bigger threat and we quietened down the couple of Fermanagh forwards that were causing us trouble in the first half, Maguire and McElroy," he said.

"However, Carr then claimed that another factor took over: "One thing you can't legislate for in this game is the performance of the referee.

"I suppose there's a directive from Croke Park not to comment but how would you assess the performance of the referee in the second half?

"Ambrose Rodgers goes through and is pulled to the ground twice but he doesn't get his free – and they go and stick the ball over the bar. All of a sudden that's a two-point swing.

"The last two scores that Fermanagh got, Liam Doyle was in front both times and a man pushed him in the back and we concede a goal and a point."

Carr did pay tribute to the victors – but again pointed to the display from the referee: "This is not sour grapes, Fermanagh are a good side, they're not top of the division for nothing. But it has come down to a call: either someone is incompetent or biased. That referee was one of the two – I don't know which."

Carr insisted: "We've played a lot worse and won games this year."

His Fermanagh counterpart, Malachy O'Rourke, was happy that his team had taken the two points, and not just because they finished top of the table.

This was a win for the history books in more ways than one, he revealed: "As far as I know, a Fermanagh team has never come down and beat Down on their home turf before. The boys were conscious of that and were very keen to try and turn that one over."

O'Rourke was also pleased that Fermanagh had remained unbeaten ahead of next weekend's Division Three final against Wexford: "We said before the game that this was a good test of our mental strengths.

"We had plenty of excuses not to win: Down needed the points, we didn't really; we were already through to the final.

"But we decided we wanted to go out and win the game and not make excuses for ourselves."

The manner of the victory also augurs well for Fermanagh, believes their boss: "A lot of the games we've played so far have gone to the last 10 minutes, and we've won an awful lot of them, which is great.

"That shows the character of our players, and that's what happened again."

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 21, 2008, 12:20:52 PM
poor performance yesterday, think everyone is pretty depressed about the entire season at present. things were looking up during the mckenna cup, but after the last two weeks everyone has become well and truely disheartened.

on another note, would have hoped to have seen the u21's in the all ireland final. they had the beating of kildare.

conor garvey's behaviour near the end was a disgrace to our county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on April 21, 2008, 12:26:47 PM
bit harsh there on Garvey what he done was wrong but he is a young lad playing in an all ireland semi final maybe not having the best off games frustration gets to him and he kneels on someone hopefully he can learn from it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 21, 2008, 12:34:43 PM
Quote from: whyarerefssobad on April 21, 2008, 12:26:47 PM
bit harsh there on Garvey what he done was wrong but he is a young lad playing in an all ireland semi final maybe not having the best off games frustration gets to him and he kneels on someone hopefully he can learn from it

that comment is a disgrace. the fact that you can in any way attempt to condone that sort of behaviour is a bit ironic given your username.

the kildare lad made the best catch of the game, he fell akwardly on his back. he could have been seriously injured yet garvey saw fit to put his knee in his head and keep it there until someone pushed him away. that is the sort of cowardly behaviour down have always been able to do without. no excuse for it at all. just lucky the kildare player wasnt seriously injured.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 21, 2008, 12:46:59 PM
Jaysus , we will have no one on the line in Omagh  :D

Down boss Ross Carr could be in hot water with the GAA's disciplinary authorities after he labelled referee Pat Fox either "incompetent or biased" after the Mourne County's slim NFL promotion hopes were ended by Fermanagh at Newry.

Carr was scathing in his criticism of the Westmeath official, citing certain decisions that swung the result in Fermanagh's favour.

He blasted: "One thing you can't legislate for in this game is the performance of the referee. I suppose there's a directive from Croke Park not to comment but how would you assess the performance of the referee in the second half?

"Ambrose Rodgers goes through and is pulled to the ground twice but he doesn't get a free - and they go and stick the ball over the bar. All of sudden that's a two-point swing.

"The last two scores that Fermanagh got, Liam Doyle was in front both times and a man pushed him in the back and we concede a goal and a point."

He added: "This is not sour grapes, Fermanagh are a good side, they're not top of the division for nothing. But it has come down to a call - either someone is incompetent or biased. The referee was one of the two - I don't know which."
Title: Westmeath official
Post by: passedit on April 21, 2008, 12:54:28 PM
Jaysus lads, I can't think of anything more depressing than being a down fan this morning (well maybe an antrim one so).

I too was wondering where the bias allegation was coming from.  :o

Mickey Doyle will be a lonely man on June 8.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on April 21, 2008, 01:02:36 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on April 21, 2008, 12:34:43 PM
Quote from: whyarerefssobad on April 21, 2008, 12:26:47 PM
bit harsh there on Garvey what he done was wrong but he is a young lad playing in an all ireland semi final maybe not having the best off games frustration gets to him and he kneels on someone hopefully he can learn from it

that comment is a disgrace. the fact that you can in any way attempt to condone that sort of behaviour is a bit ironic given your username.

the kildare lad made the best catch of the game, he fell akwardly on his back. he could have been seriously injured yet garvey saw fit to put his knee in his head and keep it there until someone pushed him away. that is the sort of cowardly behaviour down have always been able to do without. no excuse for it at all. just lucky the kildare player wasnt seriously injured.
i said what he done was wrong and hopefully he can learn from it dont be making a mountain out off a mole hill
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 21, 2008, 01:10:52 PM
just a theory lads, and maybe too simplistic but i think i have a rationale for why the seniors havent performed in the last 10 yrs - ish

our style of play is old school, free flowing, we score you score, with v little emphasis on negative tactics. Armagh 99 was our first experience of this and what have we done to move things on or to welcome that style of play since then?? I would say nothing.

we do v well at underage level cos we have good natural footballers here, and minor/u21 tends to be like playing when we were kids - no negative tactics and more open football which we do well in - in those types of games at senior level we also do well in, but once we come up against a team well drilled defensively with extra bodies in their defence we arent able to cope....

too simplistic? i think there's certainly an element of truth

for me, that would be my first job in charge - would be to set a pattern of play / sounds easy but I guarantee if we adapted that approach v tyrone with the same group of players we would do well - if we go out with the same thinking right now we will lose by 6-8 points

who's backing me?? new manager! ;)

ps. i predict pete mcgrath to be the new manager for next season!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 21, 2008, 01:12:55 PM
it doesnt take a genius to work out it was wrong. if it had been a tyrone/armagh/dublin man that kneeled on an opposition players face you would probably be calling on him to be suspended for 6 months or a year, but because he is one of our own you think he should learn from it. what is there to learn from kneeling on someone's face when they are lying injured on the ground?

despite yesterdays scenes in parnell park the garvey incident is still by far the worst incident of foul play i have seen this year.

im surprised more down posters havent spoken out against this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on April 21, 2008, 01:37:44 PM

Agreed GY. I have always thought that watching down through the Paddy era and nothing has changed over the last two years. as an armagh man i can afford to chuckle at down's naivety at times and how blunt and fumbled any attempt to adapt has been in games where that has been tried. Wee Pete will be the next down boss when what down actually need is someone who has a more modern tactical awareness, but that would probably mean an outsider going by club football in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on April 21, 2008, 03:52:53 PM
goldenyears i very much hope you are wrong. On the one hand you talk about moving forward then you say pete may be back. how can you talk about moving forward and tactics when you seen what happened to the u21s on saturday. the man may have led down to all irelands but that is just a no brainer now. on sat he took off one off our best forwards when we where needing scores/frees. he lets the second half start then 2-3 mins in he makes a sub. He watches by as down ponse around with the ball fist passing to each other going nowhere then get turned over 3pts came from this towards the end off the match.
Half backs/ midfielders are there to get the ball and deliver it as early as possible then support the play not run with it into blind alleys with two men closing you down.
rant over
feel better
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on April 21, 2008, 04:17:18 PM

otl - i'm sorry to have to point out to you that GY does not say he wants pete back, just that he thinks that's what'll happen. in fact, i get the distinct impression that he's arguing against that very idea.
Title: Golden Years and Pete : The Dream Team
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the ground on April 21, 2008, 05:31:04 PM
if we all put a few pound together we Could buy Marty Clarke from Collingwood?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FermPundit on April 21, 2008, 05:59:29 PM
Really enjoyed the game yesterday and it was pleasing it get our first win in Newry in over 20 years. From a neutral perspective it's sad to see a proud county like Down stuck in division 3 for another year. You should have beaten Fermanagh by at least 5 or 6 points. Barring 6 or 7 regulars it was a second string Fermanagh side. Down are impressive going forward and will give most counties a game but your defence and in particular the full back line is letting you down badly. I think I saw in the IN today that Down have conceded 10 goals in 7 games. Given that the standard in division 3 isn't great this has to be a worry. I was also disappointed by Ross Carr's comments today. Yes, there were a few debatable decisions and there was a obvious push for the Fermanagh goal but at the end of the day Down should have put Fermanagh away long before the end. Whilst this all sounds negative I wouldn't rule out Down doing pretty well this summer. You have the talent and if the management can some how tighten up the defence a good crack at the Ulster championship or a long run in the qualifiers isn't beyond Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 21, 2008, 07:02:04 PM
On the UTV news tonight they reported that the Down logistics van was stopped by customs on route to Pairc Esler and was found to be running on 'washed' diesel.  They had to pay a fine before being allowed on their way.  You couldn't make it up!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 21, 2008, 07:24:18 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 21, 2008, 07:02:04 PM
On the UTV news tonight they reported that the Down logistics van was stopped by customs on route to Pairc Esler and was found to be running on 'washed' diesel.  They had to pay a fine before being allowed on their way.  You couldn't make it up!  ;D

2 points on this:
(a) There's more than the van needs new diesel
(b) seriously, Co Board statement needed on who is responsible for this grossly irregular conduct in our name and what is being done about it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 21, 2008, 09:44:31 PM
Conor Garvey let himself and the Co.down, what he did is inexcusable, and the full weight of disciplinary proceedings should be applied. As for the overall performance, you cant fashion a Co.Team with 5 or 6 Co.standard players. The others work hard and do their best but they just dont have what it takes. We remain where we belong, in Div 3, and until the standard of Club Football is raised within the Co., there we will likely remain. As those for those advocating the adoption of negative defensive tactics like Armagh or Tyrone, well neither of them are going to win anything this year. All we need are defenders who can clear the ball, at least out of scoring distance. Playing football in your own half, just adds to the pressure on yourself, and a management team that allows this to persist should not be there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 21, 2008, 09:58:01 PM
QuoteAll we need are defenders who can clear the ball, at least out of scoring distance
You're showing your age there Pangur Ban if you really believe this is the answer.

For what it's worth, myself and GY have been echoing his earlier comments for the best part of 4 years on here.

The single biggest reason Paddy O'Rourke had to be removed was because after 4 years under him, Down had shown no sign of moving forward. His team selection generally might have been fine, and his players might (sometimes) have been fired up, but the defensive frailties, breaking-ball problems and one-dimensional lines of attack that were apparent in his second season never improved, only got worse.

And it would seem Ross and DJ are paying little or no attention to resolving these issues either. And if they're not going to, it's nearly time they stepped aside. This is not a vintage crop of Down footballers, but it is no bad crop either. They need harnessed, need organised.

Bringing extra players back is not about negativity, it is about practical realities.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 21, 2008, 10:07:41 PM
Oh and by the way, did anyone read Wee Pete in the IN at the weekend proudly extolling the virtues of running up to the Big Stone for GAA training? Surely that in itself is enough to rule him out of a return to the Down job. I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 21, 2008, 10:18:04 PM
Strongly disagree Wobbler, when HF track back they bring HB with them, creating even tighter situations. The threat emanating from long quick balls out of defence, discourages attacking wing backs for venturing forward, and moves ball into an area from which you will not concede scores. Armagh and Tyrone enjoyed some success from their novel negative tactic, but Kerry demonstrated that a reversion to the simple long ball was the answer. Of course you need forwards capable of winning their own Ball, for this to succeed, and i think we have such forwards
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on April 21, 2008, 10:23:13 PM
Pangurban, you are wasting your time on thewobbler. He knows everything there is too know about football. He`s from Ballyholland you know.
I hear he played a bit too  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 21, 2008, 10:26:40 PM
If your defence is slower and smaller than the opposition forward line, the answer surely is not to leave them exposed to one on one situations very often.

By the way, Paul Galvin and Sean O'Sullivan are amongst the hardest working wing-forwards you'll ever see.

On another note, even though I think you're getting misty eyed about their style of football, Kerry have 8-9 of the best players in Ireland in their team. They could play whatever way they like and it would look like the de facto way to play Gaelic football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 21, 2008, 10:38:01 PM
QuotePangurban, you are wasting your time on thewobbler. He knows everything there is too know about football. He`s from Ballyholland you know.
Check out this link -  http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=2875;sa=showPosts - then do yourself a favour and step away from the glasshouse and stop throwing stones.

QuoteI hear he played a bit too
You must have very good hearing  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on April 21, 2008, 10:48:56 PM
Peter McGrath managed Down to All Irelands at both senior and minor. No one on this board is really in a positiion to criticise him, unless maybe Micko reads the board from time to time. ;)
Your record isnt really up to that standard now is it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 21, 2008, 11:30:29 PM
i must say i have to agree wit the wobbler here lads. down's defence leak goals that is a fact. they dont have many fast defenders. When teams can constantly run through your defence at will it is the duty of the management to do something about it. Down's defence requires direction and organisation. The days of leaiving 6 against 6 are long gone and anybody saying Down could succeed in this way is being naive. A few extra workaholic half forwards helping the defence would make a big difference. A team should defend and attack as a team. most defenders in the country have little opportunity if the ball in is good and forwards have the space to work in. The correct organisation from management and help from the forwards would see us all view a lot of our defenders in a different light rather than write them off as not good enough because these boys are in there for a reason. They are the best we have in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 22, 2008, 12:23:10 AM
Total and absolute nonsense, virtually all the goals we have conceded this season, have come from the defenders failure to clear the Ball that they have already won, to many hand-passes, running into blind alleys and being turned over. Its not our ability to win ball, its our inability to clear it that is the main problem. Any other analysis is seriously flawed. What is the point of pulling forwards back and lessening our options even more for a quick clearance as we have left fewer to clear ball too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on April 22, 2008, 09:45:48 AM
Would have to agree with Pangurban on that one, "a few extra workaholic half forwards" is what MINUS says. What do you think Danny Hughes and John Fegan have been doing all season? Thats what the problem is like Pangur says when ever we have the chance to clear the ball there are no outlets where they should be, then we have  Martin Cole, Liam Doyle etc running the balll out of defence and getting caught, Ross and Dj seem to persist with the two half forwards running back every attack. Most of the goals conceded have been from a high ball looped in, nobody to take control then opposing teams win the break and score, happened so much this season.
I wouldn't rule out the extra man in and around as as shield and whenever we get the ball as an extra outlet. Rony Sexton would be ideal, great reader of the game and also great ball carrier.

Whatever happens Down are for an early exit this summer anyway!
Roll on the championship "BRIDGE FOR FIVE IN A ROW"!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on April 22, 2008, 10:07:27 AM
If we look at club football in Down no team has won an ulster title since Burren in the 80's.  Tactically we are behind the likes of Tyrone, Armagh etc. in terms of stopping the other team playing.  It's not necessarily about ability, or changing defenders, more to do with know how perhaps.
Title: f**k the county team! its too depressing
Post by: goldenyears on April 22, 2008, 10:18:35 AM
lets revert back to club chat lads - the county team is just too depressing right now. if we lower our expectation levels, then maybe we wont be so disappointed when they throw the odd wobbly performance....lets see what the summer brings....

in any case, here are the fixtures from the IN

DOWN

Tonight, ACHL Div 1 (6.30pm): Ballycran v Kilclief; Portaferry v Ballygalget; Liatroim v Shamrocks; Ballela v Bredagh; ACHL Div 2: Castlewellan v Portaferry; Clonduff v Warrenpoint; Ballygalget v Ballycran

Tomorrow, ACFL Div 1 (6.45pm): Saval v Ballyholland (J Burns); Clonduff v Castlewellan (L Smyth); Liatroim v Longstone (C Brannigan); Loughinisland v Rostrevor (E O'Hare); Mayobridge v Burren (C Reynolds); Kilcoo v An Riocht (G Tumelty); ACFL Div 2: Clann na Banna v Annaclone (G Corrigan); Darragh Cross v Kilclief (A Grant); Ballymartin v Downpatrick (L Morgan); Shamrocks v Tullylish (M Devlin); Warrenpoint v Bryansford (N Cousin); ACFL Div 3: Saul v St John Bosco (J Killen); Drumaness v Ardglass (E McElroy); Drumgath v Glenn (C Broderick); Mitchels v Bredagh (D Moore)

Sunday April 27, ACFL Div 1 (5pm): Ballyholland v Clonduff (N Morgan); Castlewellan v Saval (B Rice); Longstone v Loughinisland (P Brannigan); Rostrevor v Liatroim (G Brannigan); Burren v Kilcoo (G Corrigan); An Riocht v Mayobridge (S O'Hanlon); ACFL Div 2: Annaclone v Darragh Cross (D Brogan); Downpatrick v Shamrocks (S Lowey); Tullylish v Ballymartin (F McDonald); Dundrum v Attical (B Andrews); ACFL Div 3: St John Bosco v Teconnaught (E McGrath); Carryduff v St Paul's (PD Doyle); Glassdrumman v Drumanes (C Reynolds); Glenn v Mitchels (D Cotter); Bredagh v St Michael's (O Burke); ACFL Div 4: St John's v Bright (L Morgan); Aughlisnafinn v Aghaderg (P McClorey)

Monday April 28, ACPRL Div 1 (7pm): Clonduff v Downpatrick; Liatroim v Bryansford; Burren v Castlewellan; Kilcoo v Mayobridge; An Riocht v Rostrevor; ACPRL Div 2: Loughinisland v Annaclone; Carryduff v Longstone; Tullylish v Warrenpoint; Bredagh v Saval; ACFL Div 3: Kilclief v Clann na Banna (C Brannigan); ACFL Div 4: Dromara v Ballykinlar (C McAlinden)

DOWN UNDERAGE

Tonight, All County U16 Football League (7pm): Clonduff v Newry Shamrocks (B Rice); Glenn v Castlewellan (S Flynn); Kilcoo v Bryansford (A Grant); Carryduff v Burren (G Brannigan)

Friday April 25, All County Mior Football League (7pm): Castlewellan v St Johns (S Lowey); Bryansford v Carryduff (PJ Cunningham); Kilcoo v RGU Downpatrick (P Brannigan)

DOWN FEILE

Saturday April 26, Down Feile na Peil 2008 (10am) Section A: Group A: Kilcoo (host club), Castlewellan, Bryansford, Co-ordinators: P Morgan & P O'Shea, Ref: A Grant; Group B: Burrren (host club), Glenn, Saval, Clonduff, Co-ordinators: J McAvoy & A Sloan, Refs: B Rice & L Smyth; Group C: Carryduff (host club), Bredagh, RGU Downpatrick, Co-ordinators: M Hannity & F Eastwood, Ref: M Davey; Group D: An Riocht (host club), Rostrevor, Mayobridge, Co-ordinator: J Donnan, Ref: P Brannigan; Section B: Group A: St Joseph's (host club), Ballymartin, Saul, Co-ordinator: S MacCaisin; Ref: G Brannigan; Group B: Ballyholland (host club), Longstone, Newry Shamrocks, Warrenpoint, Co-ordinator: P Savage & G Leddy, Ref: S Flynn & D Cottor; Group C: St John's (host club), Loughinisland, Liatriom, Co-ordinator: S Branniff, Ref: C McAlinden; Group D: Clan Na Banna (host club), Drumgath, Tullylish, Co-ordinator: P McColgan, Ref: M Cranney

EAST DOWN

Tonight, U16 Football League Section A (7.15pm): Loughinisland v Bredagh (O Burke); St Marys v Drumaness (L Morgan); Saul v St Johns (P Gelston); U16 Football League Section B (7.15pm): Teconnaught v Ardglass (G Brannigan)

Thursday April 24, U14 Football League Section A (7.15pm): Bryansford v Castlewellan (M Curran); Carryduff v Downpatrick (F Holland); Kilcoo v Bredagh (S Lowey); U14 Football League Section B (7.15pm): St John's v Carryduff B (M Brady); Saul v St Pauls (GP Mulholland); Liatroim v Cill Darach (L Morgan); U14 Football League Section C (7.15pm): Bredagh B v Dromara (G Tumelty); Bright v Drumaness (J McMullan); Teconnaught v Ardglass (M Davey)

Friday April 25, U18 Football League (7.15pm): Loughinisland v Saul (G Brannigan); Teconnaught v Bredagh (S Lowey); Bright v St Mary's (L Murphy); Cill Darach v Drumaness (PD Doyle

Sunday April 27, U12 Football League Section A (12noon): Castlewellan v Kilcoo (PD Doyle; Bryansford v Liatroim (P Savage); Bredagh v Downpatrkc (J McMullan); Section B (12noon): Loughinisland v St Johns (C Magee); Drumaness v St Pauls (G Brannigan); Carryduff v Saul (E Mulvenna); Section C (1pm): Dromara v Teconnaught (C McAlinden); (12noon): Ballykinlar v Cill Darach (P Quinn); Ardglass v Kilclief (P McCartan); East Down Reserve League Section A (7pm): Dromara v Ardglass (D Laverty); Bredagh v Bright (D McKay); Bryansford v Carryduff (L Murphy); Castlewellan v Darragh Cross (P Gelston); Section B (7pm): Teconnaught v Drumaness (E O'Hare); Dundrum v Kilcoo (J Killen); Liatroim v Saul (G Tumelty); St John's v St Paul's (M Curran)

SOUTH DOWN

Tonight

NBS U16FL Rd 3 (7.15pm): Warrenpoint v Ballyholland (E McCarthy); Bosco v Saval (B Cranney); Rostrevor v Mayobridge (M Rush); Attical v An Riocht (B Cousins); Annaderg v Longstone (E McGrath); St Colmans v Drumgath (D Kearns)

Thursday April 24

NBS U14 FL Rd 3 (7.15pm): Bosco v Clonduff (B Cranney); Warrenpoint v Mayobridge (P McClory); An Riocht v Burren (B Cousins); Glenn v Rostrevor (L Smyth); Saval v St Colman's (D Kearns); Ballymartin v Clan na Banna (M Rush); Ballyholland v Shamrocks (J Quinn); Mitchels v Atticall (P Preece); Annaderg v Longstone (M Cranney); Glasdrumman v Drumgath (A Rogers)

Friday April 25

NBS MFL Rd 3 (7.15pm): An Riocht v Bosco (A Grant); Burren v Ballymartin (S Flynn); Warrenpoint v Clonduff (M O'Rourke); Mayobridge v Shamrocks (M Cranney); St Colman's v Clann na Banna (M Devlin); Longstone v Drumgath (B Campbell); Glasdrumman v Mitchels (N Cousins); Annaclone v Glenn (D Moore)

Sunday April 27

NBS U12FL Rd 3 (11am): Warrenpoint v Clonduff (L Smyth); Ballyholland v Burren (B Andrews); Rostrevor v Mayobridge (N Cousins); An Riocht v Saval (M Rush); Clann na Banna v Bosco (R Barry); Mitchels v Ballymartin (G Kerr); Aghaderg v Tullylish (D Kearns); Longstone v Annaclone (A Rogers); Shamrocks B v St Michaels (B Cranney); Drumgath v Glasdrumman (J Quinn); NBS RFL Rd 3 (6pm): Burren v An Riocht (B Campbell); Rostrevor v Atticall (P McClory); Clonduff v Mayobridge (B Cousins); Shamrocks A v Glasdrumman (P Preece); Drumgath v Ballyholland (C Brannigan); Bosco v Shamrocks (G Kerr); Clann na Banna v St Michaels (B Rice); Mitchels v Down Masters (PJ Cunningham)

DOWN LADIES

Thursday April 24

Down Ladies Junior League (7pm): Clonduff v Teconnaught (PJ Cunningham); Down Ladies U16 Fixtures, U-16 Group A (12.30pm): Saval v Bryansford (P McDade); Bredagh v Rostrevor (G Brannigan); Carryduff v Burren (S Lowie); U16 Group B: Drumaness v Teconnaught (M Rawlinson); Downpatrick v Shamrocks (O Burke); Clonduff v Saul (F McMullan)

Sunday April 27

Down Ladies Senior League (7pm): Burren v Bryansford (R Barry); Castlewellan v Clonduff (C Reynolds); Annaclone v Bredagh (N Morgan); Saval v Downpatrick (G Corrigan); Down Ladies Intermediate League (7pm): Carryduff v Bright (E McElroy); Ballymartin v Tullylish (M O'Rourke); Rostrevor v Loughinisland (P McClorey); Kilcoo v Bredagh II (P Brannigan); Down Ladies Junior League (7pm): Teconnaught v Drumgath (G Tumelty); Shamrocks v Clonduff II (M Devlin); St Johns v Aughlisnafin (M Rawlinson)

DOWN JUVENILE HURLING

Tomorrow

U14 HL (7pm): Carryduff v Liatroim; Bredagh v Castlewellan; Clonduff v Shamrocks; Warrenpoint v St Patricks

Friday April 25

U16 HL (7pm) Ards: Ballygalget v Ballycran

Monday April 28

U16 HL Promotion Playoff: Bredagh v Warrenoint/Clonduff; Minor HL: Castlewellan v Mourne Shamrocks

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 22, 2008, 10:45:06 AM
Thank God for club football!  ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on April 22, 2008, 12:12:42 PM
what about the Down bus taking the gear to the match on Sunday being stopped by the customs and dipped...and it running on red diesel!!!miserable c*unts!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on April 22, 2008, 12:30:26 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 22, 2008, 10:45:06 AM
Thank God for club football!  ;D



Aye thats alright for u bridge boys!! :(

Quote from: buglebhoy on April 22, 2008, 12:12:42 PM
what about the Down bus taking the gear to the match on Sunday being stopped by the customs and dipped…and it running on red diesel!!!miserable c*unts!!

what was the craic with this, paper said that no action was taken, couldnt have been running on red diesel if that was the case!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on April 22, 2008, 12:53:25 PM
Heard the driver was able to pay the on the spot fine and drive on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 22, 2008, 01:42:49 PM
any predictions for tomorro nights games?? some great looking fixtures, Clonduff v Castlewellan , banbridge v annaclone and the drumgath v Glenn games all look to be exciting prospects being local fixtures and clubs being in close proximity to each other!!these will all defo be tightly contested
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 22, 2008, 02:31:18 PM
Saval v Ballyholland - Too tight to call
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Liatroim v Longstone
Loughinisland v Rostrevor
Mayobridge v Burren
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 22, 2008, 02:51:34 PM
ACFL Div 2:
Clann na Banna v Annaclone (G Corrigan);
Darragh Cross v Kilclief (A Grant);
Ballymartin v Downpatrick (L Morgan);
Shamrocks v Tullylish (M Devlin);
Warrenpoint v Bryansford (N Cousin);

ACFL Div 3:
Saul v St John Bosco (J Killen);
Drumaness v Ardglass (E McElroy);
Drumgath v Glenn (C Broderick);
Mitchels v Bredagh (D Moore)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 22, 2008, 03:09:17 PM
Saval v Ballyholland (J Burns)
Clonduff v Castlewellan (L Smyth)
Liatroim v Longstone (C Brannigan)
Loughinisland v Rostrevor (E O'Hare) - draw
Mayobridge v Burren (C Reynolds)
Kilcoo v An Riocht (G Tumelty)

ACFL Div 2:
Clann na Banna v Annaclone (G Corrigan)
Darragh Cross v Kilclief (A Grant)
Ballymartin v Downpatrick (L Morgan)
Shamrocks v Tullylish (M Devlin)
Warrenpoint v Bryansford (N Cousin)

ACFL Div 3:
Saul v St John Bosco (J Killen)
Drumaness v Ardglass (E McElroy)
Drumgath v Glenn (C Broderick)  ;D
Mitchels v Bredagh (D Moore)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 22, 2008, 03:15:57 PM
Saval v Ballyholland (J Burns)
Clonduff v Castlewellan (L Smyth)
Liatroim v Longstone (C Brannigan)
Loughinisland v Rostrevor (E O'Hare)
Mayobridge v Burren (C Reynolds)
Kilcoo v An Riocht (G Tumelty)

ACFL Div 2:
Clann na Banna v Annaclone (G Corrigan)
Darragh Cross v Kilclief (A Grant)
Ballymartin v Downpatrick (L Morgan)
Shamrocks v Tullylish (M Devlin)
Warrenpoint v Bryansford (N Cousin)

ACFL Div 3:
Saul v St John Bosco (J Killen)
Drumaness v Ardglass (E McElroy)
Drumgath v Glenn (C Broderick) 
Mitchels v Bredagh (D Moore)


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 22, 2008, 03:19:34 PM
For info lads....our game with Saval is on Friday night now instead of Wednesday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on April 22, 2008, 03:20:26 PM
Hurling league starts tonight. Here's my predictions for the football and hurling.

ACHL Div 1 (6.30pm):
Ballycran v Kilclief;
Portaferry v Ballygalget;
Liatroim v Shamrocks;
Ballela v Bredagh;

ACHL Div 2:
Castlewellan v Portaferry;
Clonduff v Warrenpoint;
Ballygalget v Ballycran

ACFL Div 1 (6.45pm):
Saval v Ballyholland (J Burns);
Clonduff v Castlewellan (L Smyth);
Liatroim v Longstone (C Brannigan);
Loughinisland v Rostrevor (E O'Hare);
Mayobridge v Burren (C Reynolds);
Kilcoo v An Riocht (G Tumelty);

ACFL Div 2:
Clann na Banna v Annaclone (G Corrigan);
Darragh Cross v Kilclief (A Grant);
Ballymartin v Downpatrick (L Morgan);
Shamrocks v Tullylish (M Devlin);
Warrenpoint v Bryansford (N Cousin);

ACFL Div 3:
Saul v St John Bosco (J Killen);
Drumaness v Ardglass (E McElroy);
Drumgath v Glenn (C Broderick);
Mitchels v Bredagh (D Moore
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on April 22, 2008, 03:41:07 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on April 22, 2008, 12:23:10 AM
Total and absolute nonsense, virtually all the goals we have conceded this season, have come from the defenders failure to clear the Ball that they have already won, to many hand-passes, running into blind alleys and being turned over. Its not our ability to win ball, its our inability to clear it that is the main problem. Any other analysis is seriously flawed. What is the point of pulling forwards back and lessening our options even more for a quick clearance as we have left fewer to clear ball too.

The above quite consisely illustrates the flaw in the thinking of your average down punter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on April 22, 2008, 08:47:45 PM
ACHL Div1
Ballela 4.12 Bredagh 2.14

And im told;
Liatroim bt Shamrocks
Ballycran stuffed Kilclief
Ballygalget beat portaferry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 22, 2008, 09:53:21 PM
Well done Ballela. That's a good win.

In Div 2 Clonduff 1-12 2-13 Warrenpoint. Good tight game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 22, 2008, 10:32:12 PM
Quote from: Uladh on April 22, 2008, 03:41:07 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on April 22, 2008, 12:23:10 AM
Total and absolute nonsense, virtually all the goals we have conceded this season, have come from the defenders failure to clear the Ball that they have already won, to many hand-passes, running into blind alleys and being turned over. Its not our ability to win ball, its our inability to clear it that is the main problem. Any other analysis is seriously flawed. What is the point of pulling forwards back and lessening our options even more for a quick clearance as we have left fewer to clear ball too.

The above quite consisely illustrates the flaw in the thinking of your average down punter
Okay, wheres the flaw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on April 23, 2008, 11:25:13 AM

every team in every match turn the ball over. you must prepare for it happening. you cannot only start thinking about coping just when the ball is lost.
Good forwrads require space to operate in. the more bodies in the attacking area the less space to thrive in, at both ends. as an extreme example, if you have gooch in your team and are confident he can beat his man one on one then you would play only him in the forward line with his man. obviously no team (other than down) would allow that scenario to arise but it illustrates the point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on April 23, 2008, 11:47:10 AM
Down manager Ross Carr is set to be banned from the sideline for his county's opening Ulster SFC clash against Tyrone on Sunday 8 June.

The GAA's Central Competitions Committee met on Monday night and has proposed an eight-week ban for Carr.

The suspension is the result of comments made about a referee after last Sunday's defeat by Fermanagh.

Carr must consider whether to accept the suspension or lodge an appeal and perhaps seek a personal hearing.

Down official Diarmuid Cahill said the matter would be discussed by the manager and the county's Management Committee, and also at Thursday night's meeting of the Down County Board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on April 23, 2008, 11:55:20 AM

Is that both podge and rodge banned for healy park now?

How is chicken at calling the switches?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on April 23, 2008, 11:59:09 AM
What a load off crap.
It is a bad state off affairs when an individual cannot give his opinion on an individuals proformance in either playing or officiating in nour games without the threat off being sanctioned and suspended, what was said by Ross should be looked at as constrictive critism and should be taken on board and learned from. Otherwise how are refferees going to earn the respect off players and managers who stand in the middle for our games. Will the cccc be suspending reporters/journalists from the grounds if they say the ref was bad!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fear Boirche on April 23, 2008, 12:11:55 PM
QuoteWill the cccc be suspending reporters/journalists from the grounds if they say the ref was bad!!!!

Hardly, they only have power over GAA members.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on April 23, 2008, 12:52:37 PM
maybe Ross and dj would be safer concentrating on getting the team in order!whether he deserves it or not he had to see it coming!and it WAS NOT the ref that beat down on Sunday and had more to do with the boys on the line!regrettable behavour by Ross IMO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on April 23, 2008, 01:11:32 PM
Results from last nights matches.

ACHL Div 1
Ballycran 3 24 Kilclief 0 02
Portaferry 2 19 Ballygalget 1 09
Liatroim 1 12 Shamrocks 0 10
Ballela 4 12 Bredagh 2 13

ACHL Div 2
Castlewellan 2 13 Portaferry 3 11
Clonduff 1 11 Warrenpoint 2 12
Ballygalget 1 02 Ballycran 5 10

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on April 23, 2008, 01:18:28 PM
Whats the minimum ban for a straight red for striking with the hurl? does anyone know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 23, 2008, 01:21:53 PM
Good to see our hurlers carrying on their fantastic start to the season  ::) Ulster hurling league my arse.

Here are my predictions....

ACFL Div 1  
Saval v Ballyholland  
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Liatroim v Longstone
Loughinisland v Rostrevor
Mayobridge v Burren
Kilcoo v An Riocht

ACFL Div 2:
Clann na Banna v Annaclone
Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Downpatrick  
Shamrocks v Tullylish
Warrenpoint v Bryansford

ACFL Div 3:
Saul v St John Bosco  
Drumaness v Ardglass
Drumgath v Glenn
Mitchels v Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Andym2008 on April 23, 2008, 01:39:32 PM
Well what can i say, The people making the prediction that An Ríócht will be Kilkoo is right on the money. COME ALIVE AN RÍOCHT ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on April 23, 2008, 01:42:59 PM
QuoteWell done Ballela. That's a good win.

I expected us to win tbh by a point or two, we'd no manager last year, next to no training and were missing our captain in the championship when Bredagh beat us. Good to get a win none the less, away to kilclief next tuesday so hopefully we can build on last night with another win.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 23, 2008, 01:54:16 PM
Lads For Information.
Sunday's league games will now throw in at 3pm instead of 5pm as originally planned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 23, 2008, 02:08:33 PM
Ross banned for Omagh
DJ already in the dock
Kit van running on ilegal diesel
Team stuck in Division 3

......the stars of the county down!
Title: Coming to a mobile phone near you soon!
Post by: amallon on April 23, 2008, 02:21:09 PM
Down supporters club have re-released the hit "The boys in red and black are back". Its now called "the boys ON red are back!"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 23, 2008, 02:23:08 PM
This is all part of the master plan devised at the start of the year , code named "Keep the powder dry"   ;)
Maybe Tyrone will feel sorry for us by the time we land up in Omagh .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 23, 2008, 02:54:05 PM
Made an inquiry into the van debacle and was told the County dont own it and dont maintain it - apparently a group of business people pay for it?
Anyway Watty (the kitman) must have got it taken of him as it is not at his house anymore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 23, 2008, 04:09:10 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on April 23, 2008, 01:18:28 PM
Whats the minimum ban for a straight red for striking with the hurl? does anyone know?

Usually 3 months but you might be lucky and get away with 4 weeks. Depends on the referees report. The CCC will send the club secretary a copy of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 23, 2008, 04:15:38 PM
i see conor garvey has been suspened following the incident in saturdays match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on April 23, 2008, 08:13:27 PM
Darragh Cross 1-11
Kilclief 0-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 23, 2008, 08:28:49 PM
Mitchels 1-7 Bredagh 0-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 23, 2008, 08:38:33 PM
ACFL DIV3

Drumgath 1-22
Glenn       0-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 23, 2008, 08:48:46 PM
Shamrocks 1-11 Tullylish 1-14
Banbridge  bt Annaclone by 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 23, 2008, 08:52:07 PM
bridge 1.11 burren 0.6, two in it at the break but the bridge came alive in second half, five points by ronan sexton and a great goal by pluggy... brendan grant had a stormer for the bridge.. poor enough game, we never had to get out of second gear
heard kilcoo hammered the kingdom, wheres Andy M now :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 23, 2008, 09:34:59 PM
clann na banna 0-11 annaclone 0-10

not great football just a typical derby game. big enough crowd showed up for it.

not too many predicted that, the general was about the only one i think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 23, 2008, 09:35:21 PM
Kilcoo 3-18 Kingdom 0-4.  Not too many teams will leave Kilcoo with the points this year either by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on April 23, 2008, 09:40:23 PM
Clann na Banna 0-11 Annaclone 0-10.

Decent game if the quality wasn't the best.

Annaclone missed alot of scorable frees and comfortably won the midfield battle.

Johhny Burns and the number 13  Stephen McDonald?? kicked some lovely points, Clann much more efficient in front of goal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on April 23, 2008, 10:10:03 PM
Ballymartin Bt Downpatrick by 3.( 1-12/2-6) Very young DPK team with 6 minors starting. No excuses. More experienced team held the upper hand but some encouraging displays by younger Hoops notably Deeny in goals and Jarlath Brannigan and Neal Cunningham up front.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 23, 2008, 10:12:17 PM
ACFL Div 1
Clonduff 1 12 Castlewellan 0 12
Liatroim 3 10 Longstone 1 17
Mayobridge 1 11 Burren 0 06
Loughinisland 2 11 Rostrevor 2 10
Kilcoo 3 18 An Riocht 0 03
ACFL Div 2
Clanna na Banna 0 11 Annaclone 0 10
Ballymartin 1 12 Downpatrick 2 06
Darragh Cross 1 11 Kilclief 0 08
Tullylish1 13 Shamrocks 1 11
Warrenpoint 0 07 Bryansford 1 14
ACFL Div 3
Saul 1 09 Bosco 0 09
Drumgath 1 21 Glenn 0 06
Mitchels 1 07 Bredagh 0 08
ACFL Div 4
Dromara 2 14 Bright 0 08



Would suggest that Shamrocks and Warrenpoint aren't out of their slumps yet. Division II could be cracking this year.

That is some pasting for the Kingdom.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 23, 2008, 10:23:07 PM
Mitchells beating Bredagh :o

Any reports?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 23, 2008, 10:28:17 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on April 23, 2008, 10:23:07 PM
Mitchells beating Bredagh :o

Any reports?

wasnt at it, but a great match by the sound of it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 23, 2008, 10:35:58 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 23, 2008, 10:28:17 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on April 23, 2008, 10:23:07 PM
Mitchells beating Bredagh :o

Any reports?

wasnt at it, but a great match by the sound of it

an unexpected result alright, were Bredagh missing a few players?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 23, 2008, 11:05:08 PM
Wild craic in Loughinisland tonight, mass brawl in second half, no names taken. Later a linesman entered the field of play,, and became involved in a confrontation with Loughinisland player Ben O Reilly. Referee booked linesman and sent him off, he responded by hurling his flag across the pitch. Aside from all this it was a great game of football, played for the most part in a clean sporting manner. D.Gordon and J O Reilly were outstanding for Loughinisland. Rostrevor CB very impressive, not sure of his name think it is Mc Grath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 23, 2008, 11:06:05 PM
Bredagh beaten by Mitchels.

I am happy to give an objective report from a Bredagh perspective.  The better team won on the night.  Bredagh's frame of mind was terrible.  I think they may have approached this game too lightly given Mitchells' lowly position. Bredagh were out played by a smart Mitchells team that made great use of their tight pitch, worked very hard in defence and won lots of clever scorable frees.  Their No 11 is an excellent free taker.  Mitchells scored 1.7 and all 7 points came from frees.

Bredagh will rue that they dominated the early period but came away with no scores from 6 good attacks.  Their team looked rusty, some players looked tired and their general work rate was way below par.  They will need to buck up big time if they hope to be in the shake up at the end of the season. 

There now, thats how to critically analyse your own team.

Anybody know the Ardglass Drumanness result or was it not being played tonight?


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 24, 2008, 05:07:28 AM
Havent  posted in a while. Been livin it up in Australia. Good to see the new season get underway.
There seems to have been a few very interesting results in Division 2. Thats a great result for Tullylish against Shamrocks likewise for Banbridge against Annaclone. Our game with Atticall was called off because we have a Mission in our Parish at the moment.
Our first game against Warrenpoint is going to be very interesting. Shea Curran will be playing his first competitive game for us against his old club.
On another note, there seems to be an air of depression around the county scene at the moment. I was really dissapointed to see the U-21s lose out to Kildare. I think Marty Clarke may have been the difference between a Semi Final defeat and an All Ireland title.
Regarding the Seniors, it seems that we havent really progressed that far. I still feel that there are too many players that are standouts at club level but just cant cut it at county level starting for us. I totally agree wif the negative tactics sentiment. Having an extra defender back is what we need to do against Tyrone and it is the only plausible way we are going to compete with them.
In regards to a starting 15 at the moment, Id be leaning towards something like this:

1. B.McVeigh

2. C.McGovern
3. M.Cole
4. D.Rafferty

Have McGuigan as the spare defender

5. A.Carr
6. L.Doyle
7. R.Murtagh
15. K.McGuigan

8. D.Gordon
9. J.Lynch

10. R.Sexton
11. J.Clarke
12. D.Hughes

2 Man inside forward line of

13. B.Coulter
14. P.McComiskey 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on April 24, 2008, 09:20:15 AM
Was at Mayobridge/Burren game last night! Wasn't a great game by any means, Burren look a poor outfit without county men, Kevin McKernan being their main threat but shooting way too many wides. Burren didn't threaten in the full forward line at all. As for mayobridge they're looking good, pluggy, noel sexton, brendan grant and goalkeeper all having good games.Benny and Micky walsh were kept pretty quiet by Dan McCartan and Chris mcgovern! A handy win for the bridge in the end
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Post by: Square Ball on April 24, 2008, 12:59:08 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 23, 2008, 11:06:05 PM
Bredagh beaten by Mitchels.

I am happy to give an objective report from a Bredagh perspective.  The better team won on the night.  Bredagh's frame of mind was terrible.  I think they may have approached this game too lightly given Mitchells' lowly position. Bredagh were out played by a smart Mitchells team that made great use of their tight pitch, worked very hard in defence and won lots of clever scorable frees.  Their No 11 is an excellent free taker.  Mitchells scored 1.7 and all 7 points came from frees.

Bredagh will rue that they dominated the early period but came away with no scores from 6 good attacks.  Their team looked rusty, some players looked tired and their general work rate was way below par.  They will need to buck up big time if they hope to be in the shake up at the end of the season. 

There now, thats how to critically analyse your own team.

Anybody know the Ardglass Drumanness result or was it not being played tonight?





game called of, reason unknown
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Post by: amallon on April 24, 2008, 01:02:05 PM
Highlights of the Mayobridge Burren game from last night.

http://mayobridge.down.gaa.ie/2008footballhighlights.html
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Post by: goldenyears on April 24, 2008, 01:25:35 PM
amallon - great idea and a great addition to the website.
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Post by: behind the wire on April 24, 2008, 02:18:32 PM
great idea amallon. who videos the games for you and what sort of camera do they use? if its easy enough to set up/use i might look into it.
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Post by: TORGAEL on April 24, 2008, 02:32:00 PM
Great stuff amallon
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Post by: amallon on April 24, 2008, 03:23:40 PM
Paul Rooney does our video work.  He just uses a standard video camera and we download it to a laptop after the game using firewire. 
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Post by: Old Bill on April 24, 2008, 03:37:53 PM
fantastic addition to the site.  great work by all.  just close it down round championship time as it would be good analysis tool for rival teams!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 24, 2008, 04:37:55 PM
I don't think there are any secrets in the way the Bridge play at this stage. 
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Post by: Square Ball on April 24, 2008, 05:50:20 PM
AM

who scored that cheeky little overhead kick point?
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Post by: superblues on April 24, 2008, 06:04:34 PM
ronan sexton scored it
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Post by: Mourne Rover on April 24, 2008, 08:39:08 PM
DownFanatic's team for Omagh is worth talking about but, even with an extra defender, the full back line is too small and none of the half back line are markers. Cole is a natural corner back and could only play at no 3 in an emergency. There has been talk about trying Murphy there, and, if he is fully fit, he is at the very least worth a look in a challenge game. McCartan is also on the small side, but, for a one-off game, has the experience to provide an option. I agree with Rafferty in the corner but McGovern is also probably not big enough.

The four halfbacks DF suggests are all fine going forward, but I suspect they would be taken apart by a decent half-forward line. McGuigan's man got four points from play in the Fermanagh game, and Murtagh is a natural attacker. I think we could get away with Doyle and Carr as wing backs but we would need someone physically stronger in the middle. Rooney had a couple of decent championship games last summer and might be the best bet.

Ambose has been struggling but did well against Fermanagh and might get the nod with Dan for midfield. The extra player I would try between the half backs and midfield is Sexton, as he can cover space, win breaking ball and push up for scores as well.

That would leave Murtagh and Hughes as wing forwards with possibly McKernan,who is capable of improving, in the middle and Benny and Clarke as the two-man full forward line. Starting McComiskey would be a risk against Tyrone, and he would have more impact coming off the bench when some gaps open up.

This gives a line-up of McVeigh; Rafferty, Murphy, Cole; Carr, Rooney, Doyle; Gordon, Rogers; Hughes, McKernan, Murtagh; Clarke, Coulter and Sexton. There are plenty of uncertainties there, but there is also plenty of pace on the wings and some height at 6,8,9 and 11.
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Post by: Pangurban on April 24, 2008, 09:44:18 PM
Good video, excellent camera work, well edited
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Post by: the milkman on April 24, 2008, 10:12:15 PM
Very bad way to end the NFL. Dont think Ross has a clue what his best team, but players like sexton, murtagh have been tired and failed and I dont see Down improving any with these players, may aswell give others a chance!

Id go with this team for Omagh:
                                                     McVeigh

                                           Howard, Cole, Murney

                                          Carr, Rooney, Doyle, Murphy

                                               Gordon, Rogers

                                       Hughes, McKernan, Mc Comiskey

                                                Clarke, Coulter

Howard and Murney may be both very young but dont really see much better about! Think 4 a cross the h/b line must be played with Rooney dropping deeper when we loss the ball! Midfield should hold its own and forwards have the ability to do damage if they get good ball!!!

Off the u-21's ive seen Kevin Duffin looks a great player a should surely be on the panel!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on April 24, 2008, 11:53:40 PM
Mickey McVeigh the long-serving Down senior county goalkeeper has joined up with the Monaghan team-management for the duration of the championship.

McVeigh who enjoyed a distinguished playing career with the Mourne county, and also represented Ulster in the inter-provincials will work with the Farney county goalkeepers for the duration of the championship.

Former Cavan and Bailieboro' Shamrocks goalkeeper Paul O'Dowd had a similar role with the Monaghan side last season with a great deal of success.


Obviously we dont need a goalkeeping coach  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 25, 2008, 03:12:34 AM
Has anyone ever considerd playing Dan Gordon at full back, good pair of hands under a high ball into the square, good mobility, and fairly tough
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Post by: thewobbler on April 25, 2008, 09:02:14 AM
You know Pangur, if Alan Shearer had have wanted to play centre half, he probably would have been one of the best in the world during the 1990s. Who would have put the ball in the net at the other end though?
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Post by: goldenyears on April 25, 2008, 10:17:05 AM
lads paul murphy is def not a full back - he is an attack minded player with superb athleticism that marks him out as a midfielder / half back / half forward and even half back is dodgy cos Murf doesnt think like a defender at all - he doesnt have any natural defender's tendencies and for that reason I would never ever try him at full back.

to still not know our best team at this stage is a disaster - the result is we will have no pattern of play at all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 25, 2008, 12:30:31 PM
lads Down's best full back comes from mayobridge, whats the point in trying to turn a attacker into a defender, a good full-back takes years to mature, incidently Down's best corner back comes from the bridge as well ;)
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Post by: Fíor Gael on April 25, 2008, 01:21:52 PM
Did monk cole get a transfer to the bridge? ;D ;D
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Post by: thewobbler on April 25, 2008, 01:45:56 PM
I agree with Tom. Howard, McGovern, McArdle and Murney all have potential, but Barry and Grant have shown time and time again in club football that they're a step above.
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Post by: Surreal Steve on April 25, 2008, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on April 21, 2008, 01:12:55 PM
it doesnt take a genius to work out it was wrong. if it had been a tyrone/armagh/dublin man that kneeled on an opposition players face you would probably be calling on him to be suspended for 6 months or a year, but because he is one of our own you think he should learn from it. what is there to learn from kneeling on someone's face when they are lying injured on the ground?

despite yesterdays scenes in parnell park the garvey incident is still by far the worst incident of foul play i have seen this year.

im surprised more down posters havent spoken out against this.

What sort of Down man are you, disowning your own county man like that? You should be ashamed and if I had anything to do with it you would be banned from all Down county games for life. We have to stick together otherwise were never gonna win a sixth All-Ireland.
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Post by: umpire on April 25, 2008, 02:07:26 PM
I have been supporting Down from 1960. I have to agreed with above psoters T O'HARE and The Wobbler that the best 2 outstanding  backs are from Mayobridge Gavin Barry and Brendan Grant, should be in Down team along with Mickey Walsh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 25, 2008, 02:36:58 PM
Quote from: Surreal Steve on April 25, 2008, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on April 21, 2008, 01:12:55 PM
it doesnt take a genius to work out it was wrong. if it had been a tyrone/armagh/dublin man that kneeled on an opposition players face you would probably be calling on him to be suspended for 6 months or a year, but because he is one of our own you think he should learn from it. what is there to learn from kneeling on someone's face when they are lying injured on the ground?

despite yesterdays scenes in parnell park the garvey incident is still by far the worst incident of foul play i have seen this year.

im surprised more down posters havent spoken out against this.

What sort of Down man are you, disowning your own county man like that? You should be ashamed and if I had anything to do with it you would be banned from all Down county games for life. We have to stick together otherwise were never gonna win a sixth All-Ireland.

i think it will take more than sticking together.
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Post by: Surreal Steve on April 25, 2008, 03:21:06 PM
yeah well people like you don't help. your probably from adicall or one of those sheep-shaggin places.
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Post by: behind the wire on April 25, 2008, 03:56:55 PM
Quote from: Surreal Steve on April 25, 2008, 03:21:06 PM
yeah well people like you don't help. your probably from adicall or one of those sheep-shaggin places.

i would doubt it if you are a down man. if you knew anything about down gaa you would be able to spell atticall. or maybe you are just too young to understand the logic of spelling. how do you reach a keyboard from your play-pen?
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Post by: Uladh on April 25, 2008, 04:25:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 25, 2008, 01:45:56 PM
I agree with Tom. Howard, McGovern, McArdle and Murney all have potential, but Barry and Grant have shown time and time again in club football that they're a step above.

atao be fsir to the two ronnies, Barry snd grant have also consistently showed that they are short at county level. given that, surely it is incumbent on the county management to go with those who show potential county talent rather than the tried and failed averageness of grant and barry?
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Post by: Mourne Rover on April 25, 2008, 04:36:18 PM
Gavin Barry is a talented player who was simply not big enough when he was previously given an extended run at county level. It's a bit hard to believe that we have 12 defenders who are better than Brendan Grant, but he has probably not done himself justice in a Down jersey over recent years. Michael Walsh also has the ability but has often failed to deliver in big games. I don't think the fact that all three are from the same club has anything to do with it. Conor Garvey's case is fairly straightforward - he did something stupid and will have to take his punishment.
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Post by: T O Hare on April 25, 2008, 04:39:25 PM
Quote from: Uladh on April 25, 2008, 04:25:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 25, 2008, 01:45:56 PM
I agree with Tom. Howard, McGovern, McArdle and Murney all have potential, but Barry and Grant have shown time and time again in club football that they're a step above.

atao be fsir to the two ronnies, Barry snd grant have also consistently showed that they are short at county level. given that, surely it is incumbent on the county management to go with those who show potential county talent rather than the tried and failed averageness of grant and barry?


Most of or entire panel have showed that are consistenly short at county level, when it comes to club football these two boys have outshined any defnders in don this decade, we are not going to find a Darren fay or a cormac mc annallen at this stage, its sad but i dont think its the managements fault, we just are short of a top class full backs!! brendan grant is our best club full-back!!!!! gavin barry is our best club corner back!!!
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Post by: Uladh on April 25, 2008, 05:15:30 PM
Neither are talented enough to be effective at county level. they have established that. down have to either accept that mediocrity or strive to improve by testing and nurturing fresh talent.
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 25, 2008, 05:20:48 PM
Jayyyysuss there is some serious arse licking goin on in here these days..Gavin Barry May be be the best corner back in club football in Down but for me thats really indicitive of the standard of Club football in Down. Brendan Grant should be on the Down panel along with Walsh but lads we dont pick the team and we dont always see what goes on behind the scenes and the fact of the matter is that neither look likely to be playing for Down this summer, end of story.
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Post by: southdown on April 25, 2008, 05:29:02 PM
Full back looks like it always going to be a major problem.  After all the people that have been tried I would still like to see adrian Scullion play there, who is better??

Laim Doyle's defensive inadequacies were badly shown up on Wedesday evening in Lietrim when Mark Poland scored 12 points on him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 25, 2008, 05:32:36 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 25, 2008, 05:20:48 PM
Jayyyysuss there is some serious arse licking goin on in here these days..Gavin Barry May be be the best corner back in club football in Down but for me thats really indicitive of the standard of Club football in Down. Brendan Grant should be on the Down panel along with Walsh but lads we dont pick the team and we dont always see what goes on behind the scenes and the fact of the matter is that neither look likely to be playing for Down this summer, end of story.

what do you mean by indictive?? Gavin Barry is a top class player and would walk onto any club side in Ireland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: T O Hare on April 25, 2008, 08:25:01 PM
Saval 0.7 Ballyhiolland 0.7very poor game !
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Post by: thewobbler on April 25, 2008, 10:32:25 PM
Sorry to be a pedant, but if finished 8 apiece in Ballyholland.

I thought it an entertaining enough game, but both sides were guilty of awful decision making in attack - although partly excused in both cases by generally excellent defending, and a referee that let defenders away with pretty much what they wanted.

I know I'm biased but I thought the Harps were the slightly better team overall, even though Saval more or less owned midfield.



Uladh, I'd say you're particularly harsh on Gavin Barry, who in my recollection only ever had one half-decent run of games for Down, which came to an abrupt end when Paddy hung him out to dry against Mattie Forde. Barry would never have the physique to mark a county standard target man, but there is nobody in Down football I'd rather see up against the likes of Tommy Freeman, Seanie Johnston, CJ McGourty, Brendan Devenney or Colm McCullagh (or any of Tyrone's lighter forwards). I'd even consider playing him purely as a shadow on Brian McGuigan in Omagh, for if McGuigan gets the space he inevitably seems to get, we have no chance.

Grant may have been exposed a number of times in Championship football, but realistically no more so than a number of our defenders who are still there. Like T O'Hare says, he isn't Darren Fay, but at least he is a full back. We can move on and look for new full backs, but 99% of the names being dropped on here would be as comfortable at full-back as Golden Years would be on a diet.

But then again, who could ever get comfortable playing full-back in a team that comprises on average 3 or 4 out and out defenders, playing behind a midfield that regularly gets washed out?
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Post by: lisdoon1 on April 25, 2008, 10:46:49 PM
Quote from: southdown on April 25, 2008, 05:29:02 PM
Full back looks like it always going to be a major problem.  After all the people that have been tried I would still like to see adrian Scullion play there, who is better??

Laim Doyle's defensive inadequacies were badly shown up on Wedesday evening in Lietrim when Mark Poland scored 12 points on him.


Out of interest how many were from play / frees?
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Post by: T O Hare on April 26, 2008, 03:29:38 AM
sorry wobbs, must have dosed off near the end :) i thought the harps deserved it as well, that referee is a joke (armagh man!) You's had a better balance but i think you's put too many men behind the ball!!!!is that a game plan?????
Some great points on barry and grant!!!!
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Post by: BRIDGE LAD on April 26, 2008, 09:49:17 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 25, 2008, 10:32:25 PMSorry to be a pedant, but if finished 8 apiece in Ballyholland.Uladh, I'd say you're particularly harsh on Gavin Barry, who in my recollection only ever had one half-decent run of games for Down, which came to an abrupt end when Paddy hung him out to dry against Mattie Forde. Barry would never have the physique to mark a county standard target man, but there is nobody in Down football I'd rather see up against the likes of Tommy Freeman, Seanie Johnston, CJ McGourty, Brendan Devenney or Colm McCullagh (or any of Tyrone's lighter forwards). I'd even consider playing him purely as a shadow on Brian McGuigan in Omagh, for if McGuigan gets the space he inevitably seems to get, we have no chance.Grant may have been exposed a number of times in Championship football, but realistically no more so than a number of our defenders who are still there. Like T O'Hare says, he isn't Darren Fay, but at least he is a full back. We can move on and look for new full backs, but 99% of the names being dropped on here would be as comfortable at full-back as Golden Years would be on a diet.But then again, who could ever get comfortable playing full-back in a team that comprises on average 3 or 4 out and out defenders, playing behind a midfield that regularly gets washed out?

Have to weigh  in here with my views, Wobbler is 100% right about Barry, very good points about type of man to mark, would be the best man marker in down to do a job on any of the above mentioned!! Also Grant is the best full back in Down football at this moment. Still cant believe there isnt any more players on the panel from Longstone especially Barry Doran who has run many defences ragged last year, also not one man from Kilcoo, very hard to believe. They must have somebody playing well the way they hammered An Riocht!
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Post by: Mourne Rover on April 26, 2008, 02:22:29 PM
Gavin Barry has been outstanding every time I have seen him for Mayobridge. but it's wrong to suggest that he only got a short run in the league for Down. He started against Tyrone in the 2005 USC, but unfortunately it did not work. Bringing him back three years later is not out of the question but we already have quite a few fast and light corner backs. What we need to find is a full back who is physically strong enough to hold the defence together.

I honestly do not see what we have to lose by experimenting with someone like Paul Murphy or even Ambrose, because every other alternative we have tried over the last couple of years has been found wanting.

McArdle looked OK in the McKenna Cup and at the start of the league but seemed to lose confidence and has been either replaced or left out in the last 3/4 games. Murney looked the obvious candidate after the Ulster u21 championship but struggled against Kildare in the AI semi and lacks senior experience. McCartan has the experience but not the size. McGovern, Howard and Cole are corner backs who could only switch to the middle in an emergency. Rooney was tried last summer and looked much more comfortable further out the field. Grant has been dropped from the squad twice in the last year and will hardly want to come back. Scullion has retired and was fairly ordinary last summer anyway.

Using our full back from the last championship match of 2007 (Meath) is also not an option. In case anyone has forgotten, that was John Clarke.
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Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 26, 2008, 10:04:49 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 24, 2008, 05:07:28 AM
Havent  posted in a while. Been livin it up in Australia. Good to see the new season get underway.
There seems to have been a few very interesting results in Division 2. Thats a great result for Tullylish against Shamrocks likewise for Banbridge against Annaclone. Our game with Atticall was called off because we have a Mission in our Parish at the moment.
Our first game against Warrenpoint is going to be very interesting. Shea Curran will be playing his first competitive game for us against his old club.
On another note, there seems to be an air of depression around the county scene at the moment. I was really dissapointed to see the U-21s lose out to Kildare. I think Marty Clarke may have been the difference between a Semi Final defeat and an All Ireland title.
Regarding the Seniors, it seems that we havent really progressed that far. I still feel that there are too many players that are standouts at club level but just cant cut it at county level starting for us. I totally agree wif the negative tactics sentiment. Having an extra defender back is what we need to do against Tyrone and it is the only plausible way we are going to compete with them.
In regards to a starting 15 at the moment, Id be leaning towards something like this:



Did you meet up with Marty Clarke when in Oz, John?
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Post by: DownFanatic on April 27, 2008, 06:59:52 AM
Spirit, the names Marc. Actually still in Oz at the moment. Went to the Gabba about a month back to see the Brisbane Lions v Collingwood game. Unfortunately Clarke was dropped for that game and we didnt get to see him in action. I tried to get tickets for the Anzac Day game between Collingwood and Essendon but they were all sold out. Watched it on TV instead. Clarke was very solid. He played out on the wing. His passing was immaculate but he was steady more than spectacular.
He's well known out here. From what Ive seen of him he seems to have bulked up a hell of a lot but he just doesnt seem to have the same level of mobility he once had.
By the way Spirit,hows Kalum King shaping up? He surely is a better option than Jackie Lynch for the county at midfield.
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Post by: holylandsbomber on April 27, 2008, 04:33:51 PM
scores from today anyone?
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Post by: Square Ball on April 27, 2008, 04:46:53 PM
Bredagh beat St Michaels, I think it was 2-18 to 0-6.

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Post by: general on April 27, 2008, 05:06:33 PM
glenn 2-6 mitcels 0-12
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Post by: amallon on April 27, 2008, 05:29:07 PM
Kingdom 1-9 Bridge 1-11
Rostrevor 0-8 Laitroim 1-13
Burren 2-10 Kilcoo 0-11
Castlewellan drew with Saval

Good win for Burren.  Rostrevor and the Kingdom have two defeats out of two.  Bridge did well up in the Kingdom but had Brendan Grant sent off with I thought was a straight red.  Didn't see what happened, neither did anyone beside me.
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Post by: southdown on April 27, 2008, 05:30:50 PM
Loughinisland won in Longstone by 2
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Post by: superblues on April 27, 2008, 05:37:00 PM
thought it was two yellows grant got
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Post by: TORGAEL on April 27, 2008, 05:45:25 PM
ACFL DIV3

Ardglass 0-13, Drumgath 0-12

Glassdrumman 1-13, Drumaness 0-13

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Post by: No1 on April 27, 2008, 06:12:34 PM
I heard Bryansford gave Atticall a bit of a tanking.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 27, 2008, 06:58:50 PM
Clonduff beat the Harps by a point. We were getting bt by 6 at half time and ended up leading by one with a few minutes left. An Aidan Carr free from 40 yards out against the wind and a Shane Ward (I think)  point 4 minutes into injury time sealed it for Hilltown.


Overall Harps had the chances to win it.....Mulholland outstanding again.
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Post by: cloneman on April 27, 2008, 07:05:21 PM
Darragh Cross 1-07 Annaclone 0-12
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Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 27, 2008, 07:37:33 PM
Carryduff beat us by 7 points :(

We sucked second half after going against the wind in the first half and only going in a point behind...Carryduff got a goal 30 seconds into the 2nd half and tagged on a couple of points...We hit wides and missed a penalty, not good enough against a team of Carryduffs standard.
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Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 27, 2008, 07:52:01 PM
Hey Carryduff GAC. 

You are very quiet on the thread. 
I notice your Div 3 table on your site suggests you have all today's 3pm results, its now 7:30pm.
You must have a good source.  Why not share the results with us?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 27, 2008, 08:31:58 PM
Well according to Carryduffs site the following happened:



St John Bosco  W  L  Teconnaught 

Carryduff  W  L  St Paul's  (Thats a fact :()

Glasdrumman  W  L  Drumaness 

Ardglass  W  L  Drumgath 

Glenn  D  D Newry Mitchels 

Bredagh  W  L  St Michael's 

They are quick off the mark in Carryduff...Perhaps their webmaster could take over that shite DownGaa.net county site.
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Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 27, 2008, 08:35:22 PM
Leaving the table looking like this:


                                    p   w    d  l    points
  An Ghlasdromainn         6  5  1  0  11 
  Breadach                     6  4  1  1  9 
  Ard Ghlais                    5  4  0  1  8 
  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh  5  4  0  1  8 
  Droim Gath                  5  3  1  1  7 
  Gleann                         6  2  2  2  6 
  Droim an Easa               5  2  0  3  4 
  Misteiligh an Iuir            5  1  2  2  4 
  Sabhall Padraig              5  2  0  3  4 
  Naomh Pól                   6  1  2  3  4 
  Naomh Eoin Bosco        5  1  0  4  2 
  Tí Chonnachta              6  1  0  5  2 
  Naomh Michil                5  0  1  4  1 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 27, 2008, 08:47:59 PM
Niambh Pól,
I agree.  Let the Duff webmaster take over the Co Down site.  That way we will be better informed and up to date.

I still remain surprised at how quick the Duff Webmaster gets the results through, must have an inside track..

I am not complaining here as I find their league tables very good.  Duff Webmaster - keep at it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 27, 2008, 09:35:05 PM
Our Reserves have been beat by St Johns by 7 points also...

Bad day for the Boys from Ard Mhic Nasca :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 27, 2008, 10:38:30 PM
ACFL Div 1
Ballyholland 1 11 Clonduff 2 09
An Riocht 1 09 Mayobridge 1 11
Castlewellan 0 10 Saval 0 10
Rostrevor 0 08 Liatroim 1 13
Burren 2 10 Kilcoo 0 11
Longstone 2 09 Loughinisland 2 11
ACFL Div 2
Annaclone 0 12 Darragh Cross 1 07
Downpatrick 1 10  Shamrocks 3 13
Tullylish 0 10 Ballymartin 0 14
Bryansford 0 17 Attical 2 05
ACFL Div 3
Bosco 2 07 Tecconnaught 0 06
Carryduff 1 09 St Pauls 0 05
Glasdrumman 1 13 Drumaness 0 13
Ardglass 0 13 Drumgath 0 12
Glenn 2 06 Mitchels 0 12
Bredagh 2 19 St Micheals 0 08
ACFL Div 4
St Johns 0 14 Bright 0 05
Aughlisnafinn 0 08 Aghaderg 1 24
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 27, 2008, 11:03:38 PM
Tuesday 29th April 7 00 throw in
ACHL Div 1 Series 4
Bredagh v Ballycran
Kilclief v Ballygalget
Portaferry v Liatroim
Shamrocks v Ballela
ACHL Div 2 Series 6
Castlewellan v Warrenpoint
Ballycran v Portaferry
Clonduff v Ballyvarley
Friday 2nd May 7 30 throw in
ACFL Div 1
Saval v Longstone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Loughinisland v An Riocht
Liatroim v Burren
Mayobridge v Ballyholland
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
ACFL Div 2
Clanna na Banna v Downpatrick
Darragh Cross v Tullylish
Shamrocks v Bryansford
Ballymartin v Dundrum
Attical v Annaclone
Warrenpoint v Kilclief
ACFL Div 3
Tecconnaught v Saul
Drumaness v Carryduff
Mitchels v Ardglass
St Pauls v Bosco
Drumgath v Glassdrumman
St Micheals v Glenn
ACFL Div 4
Aghaderg v Dromara
St Johns v Aughlisnafinn
Sunday 4th May 2 00 throw in
ACPRL Div 1
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Clonduff v An Riocht
Mayobridge v Liatroim
Rostrevor v Burren
Castlewellan v Bryansford
ACPRL Div 2
Annaclone v Tullylish
Loughinisland v Bredagh
Warrenpoint v Ballymartin
Saval v Carryduff
Longstone v Kilclief
Monday 5th May throw in 7 30
ACFL Div 2
Attical v Dundrum
ACFL Div 3
Drumanness v Ardglass
ACFL Div 4
Bright v Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 27, 2008, 11:50:11 PM
Div one     Played      Won      Draw           Lost          Points         Diff
Mayobridge   2   2   0   0   4   10
Clonduff   2   2   0   0   4   4
L.island   2   2   0   0   4   3
Kilcoo   2   1   0   1   2   19
Liatriom   2   1   0   1   2   7
Saval   2   0   2   0   2   0
Longstone   2   1   0   1   2   -1
Burren   2   1   0   1   2   -3
Ballyholland   2   0   1   1   1   -1
C.wellan   2   0   1   1   1   -3
Rostrevor   2   0   0   2   0   -9
An Riocht   2   0   0   2   0   -26
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 28, 2008, 12:06:33 AM
                  P   W   D   L    PTS       DIFF
Mayobridge   2    2   0    0    4          10
Clonduff       2    2    0      0    4            4
Loughinisland 2   2    0      0    4            3
Kilcoo           2    1   0      1    2          19
Liatriom         2    1   0      1    2            7
Saval             2    0   2   0    2          0
Longstone      2    1   0   1    2           -1
Burren            2    1   0   1    2           -3
Ballyholland        2    0    1  1    1           -1
Castlewellan     2    0    1  1    1          -3
Rostrevor         2    0    0  2    0         -9
An Riocht         2    0   0   2    0        -26
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on April 28, 2008, 08:00:23 AM
Good win for Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 28, 2008, 09:10:22 AM
Wasn't sure what Grant got, it was hard to see with the sun.  Fair play to the Kingdom they have the ground looking well, two small covered stands will be much appreciated on a bad day. 

The Burren win was the surprise of the round, they have regrouped well.  Kilcoo are much easier talked to away from Owen Roe park though. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on April 28, 2008, 11:33:28 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 27, 2008, 08:47:59 PM
Niambh Pól,
I agree.  Let the Duff webmaster take over the Co Down site.  That way we will be better informed and up to date.

I still remain surprised at how quick the Duff Webmaster gets the results through, must have an inside track..

I am not complaining here as I find their league tables very good.  Duff Webmaster - keep at it.

Think he knows a few people from Breadgh, St Paul's, Saul etc. gets the results off them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on April 28, 2008, 06:06:46 PM
yeah niall fitzptrick got his jaw broke a very dirty game from what i heard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 28, 2008, 07:53:30 PM
Yes, Niall got his jaw broken, hes currently in the ulster hospital awaiting surgery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 28, 2008, 10:34:27 PM
Shameful indeed...Not the first time Ardglass have been guilty of this type of behavior :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TowBar on April 28, 2008, 10:40:03 PM
Terrible news from Ardglass yesterday, I presume the broken jaw was sustained following a striking incident??? Was it seen by the referee??? Ardglass should be punished as they seem to get away with this type of behaviour year on year. They are a disgrace. All the best to the drumgath lad, hope for a speedy recovery!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 28, 2008, 10:56:42 PM
its a pity about the way Ardglass play, when they put their mind to it they can play football.

dint think the incident was seen as I think the finished with 15, anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 29, 2008, 08:57:04 AM
  Kilclief drew with Banbridge last night.  Banbridge missed a penalty and Kilclief equalised with the last kick of the game.  Although Kilclief were 7 points up at one stage they were very lucky to get a draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 29, 2008, 09:34:33 AM
kilclief 1-12 Clann na Banna 2-9   (i think that was the final score anyway)

good game of football. clann looked dead and buried at 7 points down but came back to lead by one near the end. kilclief goalkeeper was outstanding, saved a penalty and made another couple of cracking saves. kilclief full forward line also very good.

excellent field as well, definitely one of the best pitches in the county - perfect under foot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on April 29, 2008, 01:29:40 PM
Any score from Dromara v Ballykinlar in Div 4?  I think this was being played last night also?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on April 29, 2008, 01:40:27 PM

Dromara 4-19    Ballykinlar 0-03
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on April 29, 2008, 01:49:47 PM
Thanks WE, 2 out of 2 for Dromara and Johnnies then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 29, 2008, 01:54:45 PM
Square Ball, i can only assume that the referee did not see the incident as he took no action. However, he was on first name terms with the ardglass team and management and seemed slightly intimidated by them. I'm led to believe that the player who allegedly broke Niall's jaw also did the same to a Darragh Cross player a couple of seasons back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on April 29, 2008, 01:57:53 PM
Anybody know anything about a down senior training weekend coming up?  i heard one was imminent and that all league games were being moved to a Thursday...can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 29, 2008, 02:08:07 PM
  I heard that last night but I don't know how true it is.  I thought there was a ban on training weekends for county teams?

A training weekend is hardly gonna help our legends at this stage anyhow!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on April 29, 2008, 02:52:46 PM
Well i was told that this weeks games were to be moved forward, however now its been said that all games to be played next Friday will now be moved to Thursday instead.  Just wondered if anyone can shed light on this.  Its just that a change in game nights ultimately leads to a change of training time and so can can be difficult to arrange things round.  No doubt we'l find out in due course.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 29, 2008, 02:55:15 PM
same old story with ardglass. sorry to hear about niall mcginn, sounds like a bad one. ardglass get away with thugery and intimidation because generally east down referees appear to be afraid of them. by far the most hateful team i have ever played against (well maybe bright). they arent just as handy at that type of behaviour away from home though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 29, 2008, 03:56:32 PM
They're a hard crowd to like.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 29, 2008, 04:37:02 PM
Quote from: Bearly on loose on April 29, 2008, 01:57:53 PM
Anybody know anything about a down senior training weekend coming up?  i heard one was imminent and that all league games were being moved to a Thursday...can anyone confirm this?

Full league programme down in the Irish News for Friday night this week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 29, 2008, 07:00:54 PM
It is my understanding that the games scheduled for Friday 9th of May have been switched to Thursday 8th to accomadate the Down senior footballers' training weekend on the 10th & 11th, the games scheduled for Friday 23rd of May have also been switched to Thursday 22nd of May to accomadate a senior challenge game with Cork on Saturday 24th.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on April 29, 2008, 09:11:31 PM
ACHL Div1
Shamrocks 4.11 Ballela 3.13 played @ Derrylecka

Questionable score-keeping from a clown of a referee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 29, 2008, 09:16:11 PM
Tight enough Whitehair. Who was the ref?

Result - Bredagh 1-12 3-15 Ballycran
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on April 29, 2008, 10:16:56 PM
Brendan Cousins, got on well with a few of the newry one's. He also conveniently changed his mind from telling a few of us players it had finished a draw, then to a newry win when their management came over. Also to throw it into the mix we'd scored it as a 1 point win for us. :-\


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 30, 2008, 10:32:11 AM
Laochra Gael Mickey Linden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM05noFIJ1g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM05noFIJ1g) - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ya_-17ZNVo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ya_-17ZNVo) - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v8A0HYmO20 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v8A0HYmO20) - Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hXMGjgWMVs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hXMGjgWMVs) - Part 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 30, 2008, 10:45:49 AM
Lecale, has your recent transfer from Kilclief played any hurling for yiz yet?

Re Ardglass, their ground isn't named Arsehole Memorial Park for nothing! 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 30, 2008, 11:12:40 AM
Quote from: amallon on April 30, 2008, 10:32:11 AM
Laochra Gael Mickey Linden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM05noFIJ1g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM05noFIJ1g) - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ya_-17ZNVo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ya_-17ZNVo) - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v8A0HYmO20 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v8A0HYmO20) - Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hXMGjgWMVs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hXMGjgWMVs) - Part 4

Good work Aidan!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 30, 2008, 12:16:22 PM
5Sams - Check out the photo of Murtagh on the Down Memory lane section of the Bridge website.  When we had him in the Bridge we should have kept him! He would have been good cover in case one of our forwards got injured  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 30, 2008, 01:10:47 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 30, 2008, 10:45:49 AM
Lecale, has your recent transfer from Kilclief played any hurling for yiz yet?


He's injured at the minute. He got a run out against Ballygalget in a friendly a couple of weeks ago and he can hurl well. Unfortunately he had to be taken off due to his robust approach!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 30, 2008, 01:56:17 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 30, 2008, 12:16:22 PM
5Sams - Check out the photo of Murtagh on the Down Memory lane section of the Bridge website.  When we had him in the Bridge we should have kept him! He would have been good cover in case one of our forwards got injured  ;)


Cheeky hoor :D
Title: Bredagh Hurlers
Post by: No1 on April 30, 2008, 02:11:37 PM
QuoteHe's injured at the minute.

  Don't let him near the f**king physio, he near put us out of commission 2 years ago with a physio bill  :o

  He's a gentleman though, slow as a wet week but plenty of skill and no fear! 

  I take it he is Dillon's replacement?  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 30, 2008, 02:37:10 PM
QuoteI take it he is Dillon's replacement?

Dillon got a bad thump against the crans last night and I'd expect he will be out for a couple of weeks. He was taken to A&E covered in blood from head to toe. How did you know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 30, 2008, 03:00:39 PM
 I didn't know, total coincidence.

  He is good mates with one of our lads and I'd know him from a few nights out on the beer, I was just doing a bit of slagging!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 30, 2008, 09:23:18 PM
Highlights from the Kingdom game are on the Bridge website.

http://mayobridge.down.gaa.ie/2008footballhighlights.html (http://mayobridge.down.gaa.ie/2008footballhighlights.html)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 30, 2008, 11:06:47 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 30, 2008, 09:23:18 PM
Highlights from the Kingdom game are on the Bridge website.

http://mayobridge.down.gaa.ie/2008footballhighlights.html (http://mayobridge.down.gaa.ie/2008footballhighlights.html)

looked wide to me!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 30, 2008, 11:13:23 PM
Wobbler will be taking notes for Friday night ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimStynes on April 30, 2008, 11:19:06 PM
O'Hare when you going to make the step up to senior football. You dont want to be remembered for that referee incident in casement a few years ago
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 30, 2008, 11:42:39 PM
bad injury jim, comeback on Sun but my senoir days are behind me... Mickey Mc Stay runied me... referee was a p***k anway :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimStynes on April 30, 2008, 11:49:50 PM
You and McStay both peaked too early at under 14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 01, 2008, 09:06:29 AM
The ref overruled the umpire.  I'll give the umpire the benefit of the doubt and say that it was a hard one to call as it was so high.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Andym2008 on May 01, 2008, 11:35:31 AM
As good as Mayobridge were, i think that a draw on sunday evening would have been a fair result. Kingdom were by far the beter team and i think that its unjust for us to be Bottom ot the league after 2 league games?

We'll be back stronger than ever!!

Up the Kingdom!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on May 01, 2008, 11:38:53 AM
Just watched the highlights of the kingdom bridge match and have to say the kingdom have improved greatly over the last two years and hopefully it continues. they deserve to be a division 1 side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 01, 2008, 12:21:37 PM
The Kingdom have had a tough old start to the league, away to Kilcoo and then playing the Bridge.  They will pick up points against most teams and might push for a top 4 spot again. 

As for the Kingdom being the far better team, I don't think so.  I heard some Kingdom supporters going on about the amount of wides they kicked but thats just an oul excuse.  I've seen then stats and the Kingdom only hit 1 more wide than the Bridge over the course of the game. 

Kingdom are a good team, but I'll be interested to see how they do against the likes of the Stone, Loughinsland and Burren.  These games will tell us where the Kingdom are at, if they win them then they'd be contenders in my eye.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 01, 2008, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: Andym2008 on May 01, 2008, 11:35:31 AM
As good as Mayobridge were, i think that a draw on sunday evening would have been a fair result. Kingdom were by far the beter team and i think that its unjust for us to be Bottom ot the league after 2 league games?

We'll be back stronger than ever!!

Up the Kingdom!!!

Unjust!! ???
Did Kilcoo not hammer yous hence the serious score difference at such a early stage of the league - a reminder to you if we had a better score difference last year we wouldnt have been relegated but such is life.  :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 01, 2008, 12:50:00 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 01, 2008, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: Andym2008 on May 01, 2008, 11:35:31 AM
As good as Mayobridge were, i think that a draw on sunday evening would have been a fair result. Kingdom were by far the beter team and i think that its unjust for us to be Bottom ot the league after 2 league games?

We'll be back stronger than ever!!

Up the Kingdom!!!

Unjust!! ???
Did Kilcoo not hammer yous hence the serious score difference at such a early stage of the league - a reminder to you if we had a better score difference last year we wouldnt have been relegated but such is life.  :'(

Tough start for An Riocht against the 2 best teams IMO. I can't see them struggling as the league goes on and they could well make the top 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Andym2008 on May 01, 2008, 01:39:46 PM
Well at least its nice to see people thinking the way am, I mean u take the defeat to kilcoo and you put it down to pure rustyness, you also take the game against the bridge, again rustyness as well as the fact that they are a superiour team to An Ríocht. But to start at Kilcoo and then at hme to mayobridge, not pleasent games atall.

Ps...

Well done to Loughinisland so far this season, my father was once a Championship and League one winner with them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 01, 2008, 01:57:13 PM
Blow for Mourne as duo ruled out for Tyrone clash Gaelic Games
By Niall McCoy
01/05/08

DOWN have been dealt a double blow ahead

of their Ulster Championship match against Tyrone, with the news that Ciaran McGovern and Declan Rooney will not be available for the Healy Park clash on June 8.

Mourne boss Ross Carr has confirmed that McGovern will be out for "a couple of months" with a knee injury, while Rooney will miss six to eight weeks due to a hernia problem.

McGovern was injured early in the side's defeat to Fermanagh and was replaced by Darren O'Hanlon.

Carr said: "Ciaran's broken a small bone beneath his knee. He had to be replaced after 15 minutes against Fermanagh and unfortunately the x-ray confirmed it was a break.

"Declan Rooney is going through a hernia operation so it will probably be six to eight weeks before he is back playing with us.

"Ciaran had been excellent for us in the McKenna Cup and the early stages of the League. He lost his place through injury but he worked his way back in.

"Declan was last year's captain and is an integral part of the squad. His injuries this year have stopped him building on last year's performances and getting a run of games going.

"We have picked up injuries at the wrong time, but that is just part of football – it happens.

"It is unfortunate. The two players will be very frustrated at the moment with the injuries. There is still a great spark in the panel and excellent

competition for places."

Carr is keen to keep the panel sharp ahead of their battle with the Red Hands and is hoping to arrange a number of challenge games.

Cork will be the opposition on Saturday, May 24, while the Clonduff man is waiting on confirmation that Kildare will provide opposition next week, probably on Tuesday or Wednesday night.

Carr revealed: "We're hoping to get a few games sorted before the Cork match. We're hoping for Kildare to be confirmed for next week but nothing has been set in concrete yet.

"Kieran (McGeeney) and Paul (Grimley) have been involved with Kildare and they finished the League pretty strong.

"We will try and have a strong team in all the games we play but we

will want to try different players in different positions. Kildare should provide a stiff test"

Down returned to training on Tuesday night for the first time since their defeat to Fermanagh and Carr was impressed with what he saw.

He said: "The boys had the chance to get away from the Down set-up for a week or 10 days to clear their heads after the disappointment of the League.

"The club fixtures started last week and it did the boys well. We came back last night (Tuesday) and had a great session and there was a great effort from all the players."

The panel will also meet for a training weekend over May 10-11 as their preparations go into overdrive for the Tyrone match.

Carr said: "We're not going away or anything, we're just training at home to get going for the Tyrone match."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on May 01, 2008, 02:46:19 PM
Lads does anyone have this weekend's fixture?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 01, 2008, 02:52:50 PM
Friday 2nd May 7 30 throw in

ACFL Div 1
Saval v Longstone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Loughinisland v An Riocht
Liatroim v Burren
Mayobridge v Ballyholland
Kilcoo v Castlewellan

ACFL Div 2
Clanna na Banna v Downpatrick
Darragh Cross v Tullylish
Shamrocks v Bryansford
Ballymartin v Dundrum
Attical v Annaclone
Warrenpoint v Kilclief

ACFL Div 3
Tecconnaught v Saul
Drumaness v Carryduff
Mitchels v Ardglass
St Pauls v Bosco
Drumgath v Glassdrumman
St Micheals v Glenn

ACFL Div 4
Aghaderg v Dromara
St Johns v Aughlisnafinn

Sunday 4th May 2 00 throw in

ACPRL Div 1
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Clonduff v An Riocht
Mayobridge v Liatroim
Rostrevor v Burren
Castlewellan v Bryansford

ACPRL Div 2
Annaclone v Tullylish
Loughinisland v Bredagh
Warrenpoint v Ballymartin
Saval v Carryduff
Longstone v Kilclief
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on May 01, 2008, 03:05:13 PM
Thanks St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on May 01, 2008, 03:24:09 PM
Clann na Banna v Downpatrick has been switched to next Tuesday (6th)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on May 01, 2008, 03:25:35 PM
Just the info i need upthehoops, even better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 01, 2008, 04:28:11 PM
Predictions

ACFL Div 1
Saval v Longstone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Loughinisland v An Riocht
Liatroim v Burren  - -DRAW
Mayobridge v Ballyholland
Kilcoo v Castlewellan

ACFL Div 2
Clanna na Banna v Downpatrick
Darragh Cross v Tullylish
Shamrocks v Bryansford
Ballymartin v Dundrum
Attical v Annaclone - DRAW
Warrenpoint v Kilclief

Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 01, 2008, 05:00:17 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 01, 2008, 04:28:11 PM
Predictions

ACFL Div 1
Mayobridge v Ballyholland


That's the spirit Goldenyears ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 01, 2008, 05:13:14 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 01, 2008, 05:00:17 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 01, 2008, 04:28:11 PM
Predictions

ACFL Div 1
Mayobridge v Ballyholland


That's the spirit Goldenyears ;)

Diehards :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ExiledGael on May 01, 2008, 08:49:18 PM
Quote from: Down Gael on April 23, 2008, 11:47:10 AM
Down manager Ross Carr is set to be banned from the sideline for his county's opening Ulster SFC clash against Tyrone on Sunday 8 June.

The GAA's Central Competitions Committee met on Monday night and has proposed an eight-week ban for Carr.

The suspension is the result of comments made about a referee after last Sunday's defeat by Fermanagh.

Carr must consider whether to accept the suspension or lodge an appeal and perhaps seek a personal hearing.

Down official Diarmuid Cahill said the matter would be discussed by the manager and the county's Management Committee, and also at Thursday night's meeting of the Down County Board.


Has this ban been appealed? Notice Ross got an apology today in the IN as his comments were never meant to be published.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 02, 2008, 09:06:07 AM
Quote from: Andym2008 on May 01, 2008, 01:39:46 PM
Well at least its nice to see people thinking the way am, I mean u take the defeat to kilcoo and you put it down to pure rustyness, you also take the game against the bridge, again rustyness as well as the fact that they are a superiour team to An Ríocht. But to start at Kilcoo and then at hme to mayobridge, not pleasent games atall.

Ps...

Well done to Loughinisland so far this season, my father was once a Championship and League one winner with them

'Rustyness' - didnt Bryansford beat yous in a challenge on 16th March!! Put that one down to 'rustyness' - were you not spouting in an earlier thread that An Riocht were the Champions elect 2008 or something along them lines.... ;)
Bet you wish your dad never moved from Loughinisland!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 02, 2008, 09:07:16 AM
ACFL Div 1
Saval v Longstone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Loughinisland v An Riocht
Liatroim v Burren
Mayobridge v Ballyholland
Kilcoo v Castlewellan

ACFL Div 2
Clanna na Banna v Downpatrick
Darragh Cross v Tullylish
Shamrocks v Bryansford
Ballymartin v Dundrum
Attical v Annaclone
Warrenpoint v Kilclief
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 02, 2008, 09:08:30 AM
Quote from: ExiledGael on May 01, 2008, 08:49:18 PM
Quote from: Down Gael on April 23, 2008, 11:47:10 AM
Down manager Ross Carr is set to be banned from the sideline for his county's opening Ulster SFC clash against Tyrone on Sunday 8 June.

The GAA's Central Competitions Committee met on Monday night and has proposed an eight-week ban for Carr.

The suspension is the result of comments made about a referee after last Sunday's defeat by Fermanagh.

Carr must consider whether to accept the suspension or lodge an appeal and perhaps seek a personal hearing.

Down official Diarmuid Cahill said the matter would be discussed by the manager and the county's Management Committee, and also at Thursday night's meeting of the Down County Board.


Has this ban been appealed? Notice Ross got an apology today in the IN as his comments were never meant to be published.

Seen that apology - stuck in the corner under small headline. Another example of heaney's classic journalism no doubt!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 02, 2008, 09:09:10 AM
Are all games 7:15 throw ins instead of 7:30 tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 02, 2008, 09:13:05 AM
Yeah Aidan - The club emails were wrong again, it stated a 7.30 start and the IN stated 7.15, on contacting the assistant sec for the fourth week in a row for clarification over times it was confirmed 7.15pm - these errors shouldnt be made week in - week out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 02, 2008, 11:29:03 AM
Were these the comments that the "ref was either biased or incompetent"?  Thats a serious mess up by the Irish News
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on May 02, 2008, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 02, 2008, 11:29:03 AM
Were these the comments that the "ref was either biased or incompetent"?  Thats a serious mess up by the Irish News

surely if he was getting interviewed after the match he knew his comments would be made public.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Andym2008 on May 02, 2008, 02:25:02 PM
No i think you will find that even if my father hadnt of moved from Loughinisland i still would be plaing for An Ríocht today ok!
An yes i did say that the Kingdom will win the championship this year because they will, simple as!
So wherever you are from, An Ríocht Abú
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 02, 2008, 02:29:15 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on May 02, 2008, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 02, 2008, 11:29:03 AM
Were these the comments that the "ref was either biased or incompetent"?  Thats a serious mess up by the Irish News

surely if he was getting interviewed after the match he knew his comments would be made public.

It read;
Clarification;Down manager Ross Carr's post match comments published in the Irish News on Monday April 21 resulted from an on-the-record interview. However, the fact that his specific views on the referee were published was the result of a misunderstanding. Carr cited the "directive from Croke Park not to comment" and assumed that his remarks about the referee would not be published.

Very bizarre - can anyone explain this...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on May 02, 2008, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 02, 2008, 02:29:15 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on May 02, 2008, 02:15:24 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 02, 2008, 11:29:03 AM
Were these the comments that the "ref was either biased or incompetent"?  Thats a serious mess up by the Irish News

surely if he was getting interviewed after the match he knew his comments would be made public.

It read;
Clarification;Down manager Ross Carr's post match comments published in the Irish News on Monday April 21 resulted from an on-the-record interview. However, the fact that his specific views on the referee were published was the result of a misunderstanding. Carr cited the "directive from Croke Park not to comment" and assumed that his remarks about the referee would not be published.

Very bizarre - can anyone explain this...

They're giving him a bit of wriggle room for his appeal. as much as they can give without losing credibility but not enough to get him off imo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 02, 2008, 02:39:40 PM
Quote from: Andym2008 on May 02, 2008, 02:25:02 PM
An yes i did say that the Kingdom will win the championship this year because they will, simple as!

Ok you've told us before, we know now. 

On the Irish News thing does it matter if his comments were on or off the record, he still made them.  This is how the people hearing his appeal might see it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on May 02, 2008, 04:11:31 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 02, 2008, 02:39:40 PM

On the Irish News thing does it matter if his comments were on or off the record, he still made them.  This is how the people hearing his appeal might see it.

I dont think he should be held accountable for the comments if he didnt want them made public. He was just expressing his opinion and should be allowed to privately. If he knew the interview would be made public then he is accountable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on May 02, 2008, 08:34:07 PM
Darragh Cross 2-16 Tullylish 1-4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 02, 2008, 09:09:36 PM
ACFL DIV3

Drumgath 2-7
Glassdrumman 1-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 02, 2008, 09:14:36 PM
Bridge 3-12 Ballyholland 2-9.

We were made to sweat right to the last few minutes when a Benny Coulter goal killed the game off.  The Bridge played without Michael Walsh and Ronan Sexton and were really missed.  Young Ryan Brady came on and caused problems for the Harps, watch out for the name you heard it here first.

Kilcoo 0-11 Castlwellan 0-7.  Anthony Devlin sent off for a straight red there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 02, 2008, 09:17:45 PM
ACFL Div 3

St. Paul's 5-14 Bosco 0-08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on May 02, 2008, 09:30:19 PM
Quote from: stpauls on May 02, 2008, 09:17:45 PM
ACFL Div 3

St. Paul's 5-14 Bosco 0-08

Do you have a laptop in the car ??? ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 02, 2008, 09:33:17 PM
Any more results please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 02, 2008, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on May 02, 2008, 09:30:19 PM
Quote from: stpauls on May 02, 2008, 09:17:45 PM
ACFL Div 3

St. Paul's 5-14 Bosco 0-08

Do you have a laptop in the car ??? ;D

i am a 5 minute walk from the pitch, doesn't take me long to get home!!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 02, 2008, 09:54:23 PM
what about the Duff? Ardglass?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on May 02, 2008, 10:08:04 PM
Attical 2-6 Annaclone 0-11

Annaclone 2 goals down at half time but dominated second half.  Got level with a couple of minutes to go only for Attical to get their second point of the half which turned out to be the winner.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on May 02, 2008, 11:19:49 PM
Carryduff  beaten by 3pts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on May 02, 2008, 11:49:18 PM
Well done St Pauls & Drumaness ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on May 03, 2008, 12:04:01 AM
Teconnaught 0-8 Saul 2-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on May 03, 2008, 08:47:57 AM
Drumgath beat Glassdrumman
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on May 03, 2008, 09:04:26 AM
Quote from: TORGAEL on May 02, 2008, 09:09:36 PM
ACFL DIV3

Drumgath 2-7
Glassdrumman 1-8

QuoteDrumgath beat Glassdrumman

In other news, Germany has invaded Poland.   :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on May 03, 2008, 09:16:49 AM
Quote from: passedit on May 03, 2008, 09:04:26 AM
Quote from: TORGAEL on May 02, 2008, 09:09:36 PM
ACFL DIV3

Drumgath 2-7
Glassdrumman 1-8

QuoteDrumgath beat Glassdrumman

In other news, Germany has invaded Poland.   :P

Didn't bother me arse reading the previous page  :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 03, 2008, 11:44:09 AM
Clonduff 1.9 Rostrevor 1.13

Burren beat Liatriom
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 03, 2008, 11:46:49 AM
Ardglass result anyone?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on May 03, 2008, 12:24:46 PM
st micheals beat glenn by 4
saval beat the stone by 2
the island beat the kingdom by 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 03, 2008, 12:45:24 PM
Saval beat Longstone
Clonduff 1.9 Rostrevor 1.13
Loughinisland beat An Riocht
Liatroim lost to Burren
Mayobridge 3.12 Ballyholland 2.9
Kilcoo 0.11 Castlewellan 0.7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 03, 2008, 01:29:48 PM
burren 0-19 liatroim 0-11

:( :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 03, 2008, 01:36:42 PM
Fantastic result for Saval over the stone, I heard they ran out comfortable enough winners.  Our county champions elect (The Kingdom)  ;) aren't fairing too well, three defeats from three.  It will be interesting to hear AndyM's comments.

I will have the highlights of the Bridge Ballyholland game later today, youtube seems to be down at the minute.  The are four deadly and one not so deadly goals in the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 03, 2008, 06:12:23 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 02, 2008, 09:14:36 PM
Bridge 3-12 Ballyholland 2-9.

We were made to sweat right to the last few minutes when a Benny Coulter goal killed the game off.  The Bridge played without Michael Walsh and Ronan Sexton and were really missed.  Young Ryan Brady came on and caused problems for the Harps, watch out for the name you heard it here first.


I agree Aidan quite a prospect...but we have one of our own in Robbie White....there's not too many can say they scored a goal against the four in a row county champions in their first full game in Senior Football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 03, 2008, 06:15:50 PM
ACFL Div 1
Saval 1 12 Longstone 2 06
Clonduff 1 09 Rostrevor 1 13
Loughinisland 1 11 An Riocht 0 11
Liatroim 0 12 Burren 0 19
Mayobridge 3 12 Ballyholland 2 09
Kilcoo 0 11 Castlewellan 0 06
ACFL Div 2
Darragh Cross 2 16 Tullylish 1 04
Shamrocks 2 02 Bryansford 0 14
Ballymartin 1 15 Dundrum 1 08
Attical 2 06 Annaclone 0 11
Warrenpoint  0 16 Kilclief 0 14
ACFL Div 3
Tecconnaught 0 08 Saul 2 08
Drumaness  2 08 Carryduff 1 05
Mitchels  0 09 Ardglass 0 12
St Pauls 5 14 Bosco 0 08
Drumgath 2 07 Glassdrumman 1 08
St Micheals 2 13 Glenn 2 09
ACFL Div 4
Aghaderg 1 12 Dromara 1 11
St Johns 2 12 Aughlisnafinn 1 03
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 03, 2008, 06:19:22 PM
He looks a good prospect alright 5Sams.  Some goal by Murtagh, was talking to him earlier and he said he was going for it.  

The highlights are on the Bridge website
http://mayobridge.down.gaa.ie/2008footballhighlights.html (http://mayobridge.down.gaa.ie/2008footballhighlights.html).  

Check out Mayobridge Gold when you are there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on May 03, 2008, 08:22:54 PM
ACFL Div 2

Club                   Pl   W   D   L   F   A   SD   Pts
Bryansford           3   3   0   0   48   26   22   6
Ballymartin          3   3   0   0   47   33   14   6
Darragh Cross     3   2   0   1   46   27   19    4
Clann na Banna    2   1   1   0   26   25   1     3
Shamrocks          3   1   0   2   44   43   1     2
Annaclone           3   1   0   2   33   33   0     2
Atticall                2   1   0   1   23   28   -5    2
Warrenpoint        2   1   0   1   23   31   -8    2
Tullylish              3   1   0   2   33   50   -17   2
Kilclief                 3   0   1   2   37   45   -8    1
Dundrum             1   0   0   1   11   18   -7    0
Downpatrick        2   0   0   2   25   37   -12   0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 03, 2008, 08:27:00 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 03, 2008, 06:15:50 PM

ACFL Div 4
Aghaderg 1 12 Dromara 1 11
St Johns 2 12 Aughlisnafinn 1 03

Biggest shock of the night was The Finn scoring a goal!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 03, 2008, 10:54:19 PM
  An Ghlasdromainn  7  5  1  1  11 
  Ard Ghlais  6  5  0  1  10 
  Breadach  6  4  1  1  9 
  Droim Gath  6  4  1  1  9 
  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh  6  4  0  2  8 
  Droim an Easa  6  3  0  3  6 
  Sabhall Padraig  6  3  0  3  6 
  Gleann  7  2  2  3  6 
  Naomh Pól  7  2  2  3  6 
  Misteiligh an Iuir  6  1  2  3  4 
  Naomh Michil  6  1  1  4  3 
  Naomh Eoin Bosco  6  1  0  5  2 
  Tí Chonnachta  7  1  0  6  2 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 03, 2008, 11:36:37 PM
That Mayobridge website with the cideos is class, well done to all involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 04, 2008, 12:36:45 PM
Div one tables

All teams have already played 3 games.

Pts   SD    Teams
6   16   Mayobridge
6   6   Loughinisland
4   24   Kilcoo
4   4   Burren
4   3   Saval
4   0   Clonduff
2   0   Liatriom
2   -4   Longstone
2   -5   Rostrevor
1   -7   Ballyholland
1   -8   Castlewellan
0   -29   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 04, 2008, 01:32:48 PM
MAYOBRIDGE PUSHED ALL THE WAY

MAYOBRIDGE   3-12    BALLYHOLLAND   2-9

First Division newcomers Ballyholland almost created a big shock at Mayobridge on Friday evening as they were well in contention for most of this game and it took a late flurry of scores to see the County champions through.  County team mates Ronan Murtagh and Brendan Coulter were in splendid form for their respective teams with Murtagh notching 1-4 and Coulter 2-6.  The first half saw a real see-saw battle with very little between the sides and at the break the home team led by just two points, the scoreboard reading 0-8 to 0-6.
The 'Bridge received a great boost just after the restart when Noel Sexton found the net and then he  followed this a minute later with a point. However the visitors refused to lie down and were back in the game in the 35th minute when Ronan Murtagh finished off a fine move to give the 'Bridge keeper no chance.  The Sky Blues were stung into action by this score and Brendan Coulter took advantage of a mix-up between the goalkeeper and two defenders to slam the ball to the net in the 39th minute.   Ballyholland continued to give as good as they got and closed the gap to just two points entering the last quarter when a long ball was misjudged by the 'Bridge defence and Robbie White was on hand to flick the ball over the head of the advancing Liam Coulter for a well taken goal.  With time almost up the margin was still only two points but then Brendan Coulter made the game safe with a point in the 59th minute and then after being put through by Ryan Brady  he finished to the net to wrap up the scoring and the points.
Mayobridge team and scorers:  Liam Coulter, Gavin Barry, Brendan Grant, Caolan Lychehaun, Seamus Grant, Shane O'Hare, Brendan Rooney, Eoghan Woods, Michael Lively, Adrian Barry, Brendan Coulter (2-6), Conor Garvey (0-1), Noel Sexton (1-2), Cathal Magee, John Quinn (0-1)
Sub used:  Ryan Brady (0-2).

Ballyholland team and scorers:  Kieran Murphy, Colm Barry, Anton Haughey, Damien Campbell, Paddy McAnulty (0-1), Ciaran Murtagh, Joseph Murphy, James Patterson (0-1), Paul Murphy, Tony Havern, Shane Mulholland (0-3), Robbie White (1-0), Paudie McKiernan, Ronan Murtagh (1-4), Conor Sands.
Sub used:  Gavin McAteer.

(By James Gallagher)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Andym2008 on May 04, 2008, 03:39:32 PM
Ok, you said you would be interested to hear my opinion on Fridays game so hear it is. The referee was an absoulute joke, he did not let the game flow at all and on the very rare occasions that he did he blew us up for the sillyest things. But to be fair, Referee aside, Loughinisland did play well, espically the two O'Riellys, and there chf was a good free taker, But there number 5 was a dirty ****. When Christy Killen came on the feild he skint him with his first run of the game and then off the ball, the coward hit him a good dig when the referee "Wasnt Looking" even tho the umpire seen it he never acknowleged it. But with 2 minutes overtime the score was 0-11 to 0-11 and then there sub Gareth "Magic" Jhonson got hold on a breaking ball an stuck her in the net, Terrible game to watch because of one man. The ref

Its still early days yet, dont write us off!
Title: This week's fixtures
Post by: 5 Sams on May 04, 2008, 06:42:53 PM
Tues 6th May 7 30 throw in
ACHL Div 1
Ballycran v Shamrocks
Bredagh v Ballygalget
Liatroim v Kilclief
Ballela v Portaferry
ACHL Div 2
Clonduff v Portaferry
Ballygalget v Castlewellan
Ballyvarley v Warrenpoint
Thurs 8th May 7 30
ACFL Div1
Ballyholland v Liatroim
Castlewellan v Loughinisland
Longstone v Mayobridge
Rostrevor v Kilcoo
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v Clonduff
ACFL Div 2
Annaclone v Ballymartin
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Downpatrick v Attical
Tullylish v Warrenpoint
Dundrum v Clanna na Banna
Bryansford v Darragh Cross
ACFL Div 3
Saul v St Pauls
Bosco v Drumaness
Carryduff v Drumgath
Glasdrumman v Mitchels
Ardglass v St Micheals
Glenn v Bredagh
ACFL Div 4
Bright v Aughlisnafinn
Friday 9th May 7 30
ACFL Div 4
Ballykinlar v Aghaderg
Dromara v St Johns
Sunday 11th May 6 00
ACPRL Div
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Liatroim v Rostrevor
Burren v An Riocht
Mayobridge v Downpatrick
Castlewellan v Clonduff
ACPRL Div 2
Kliclief v Tullylish
Ballymartin v Saval
Carryduff v Bredagh
Warrenpoint v Annaclone
Longstone v Loughinisland
Monday 12th May 7 30
ACFL Div 2
Dundrum v Warrenpoint
ACFL Div 3
Drumaness v Ardglass
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on May 05, 2008, 08:55:42 AM
Are Clann na Banna not at home to Downpatrick tommorrow?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 05, 2008, 04:20:27 PM
Quote from: Andym2008 on May 04, 2008, 03:39:32 PM
Ok, you said you would be interested to hear my opinion on Fridays game so hear it is. The referee was an absoulute joke, he did not let the game flow at all and on the very rare occasions that he did he blew us up for the sillyest things. But to be fair, Referee aside, Loughinisland did play well, espically the two O'Riellys, and there chf was a good free taker, But there number 5 was a dirty ****. When Christy Killen came on the feild he skint him with his first run of the game and then off the ball, the coward hit him a good dig when the referee "Wasnt Looking" even tho the umpire seen it he never acknowleged it. But with 2 minutes overtime the score was 0-11 to 0-11 and then there sub Gareth "Magic" Jhonson got hold on a breaking ball an stuck her in the net, Terrible game to watch because of one man. The ref

Its still early days yet, dont write us off!

;)Good Man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on May 05, 2008, 05:32:55 PM
Clann na Banna game v DPK Tuesday night at 7.15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 05, 2008, 11:17:28 PM
According to today's IN, Down seniors beat an understrength Monaghan by 4-15 to 0-10 in a challenge at a new training centre in Cloghan yesterday. The Down team was fairly familiar, apart from John McAreavey reportedly playing at full back and Dan McCartan allegedly scoing 0-2 from wing forward. I'm assuming that a local correspondent has simply mixed the two players up - can anyone confirm ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 06, 2008, 10:28:25 AM
the team was completely diff to the programme - acc to one report john clarke scored 1-4 - but he didnt play as he has a broken finger. the two man full forward line was r murtagh who scored 1-4 and benny who scored something similar - supposedly they couldnt be handled they played that well.

word is mcenaney and dj had words! dick clerkin chopped a few boys down andit got hot and heavy - supposedly monaghan started with half a team then brought a few more names on at the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on May 06, 2008, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 06, 2008, 10:28:25 AM
word is mcenaney and dj had words! dick clerkin chopped a few boys down

In other news - the sun came up this morning! lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 10:54:24 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 06, 2008, 10:28:25 AM
the team was completely diff to the programme - acc to one report john clarke scored 1-4 - but he didnt play as he has a broken finger. the two man full forward line was r murtagh who scored 1-4 and benny who scored something similar - supposedly they couldnt be handled they played that well.

word is mcenaney and dj had words! dick clerkin chopped a few boys down andit got hot and heavy - supposedly monaghan started with half a team then brought a few more names on at the end.

If this report is accurate about the 2 man full forward line , its good to see the two players mentioned showing a bit of consistancy this year, apparently both were on top for for their clubs at the wknd and its good to see them translate this to county. Not sayin the lads were never good b4 but it was never sustained, more patches of brilliance. Hope this good vein of form carries on into the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 06, 2008, 02:26:55 PM
paul mccartan has resigned as manager of the shamrocks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on May 06, 2008, 02:59:48 PM

For what reason GY?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 06, 2008, 03:42:29 PM
The Bridge play the stone on Thursday night in the Bridge, instead of Friday night in the stone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on May 06, 2008, 03:47:04 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 06, 2008, 03:42:29 PM
The Bridge play the stone on Thursday night in the Bridge, instead of Friday night in the stone.

why was the venue changed mallon??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 06, 2008, 03:55:03 PM
I think Longstone have a festival on at the time of the return fixture and they think they will be able to draw a massive crowd for the game if its played in the stone.
Title: Minor Championship
Post by: amallon on May 06, 2008, 04:28:03 PM
The Powerade Down Minor Football Championship begins this week with a number of games taking place on Wednesday the 7th May.

Minor Football Preliminary Round Wednesday 7th May at 7-30pm
A Sabhall v Ti Chonnachta L Smyth
B Noamh Seosamh v Noamh Colman's P Brannigan
C Clan Na Banna v Ard Ghlais S Flynn

Minor Football Round One Wednesday 7th May at 7-30pm
1 Cill Darach v Baile Cholmain S Lowey
2 Bredach v Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh G Tumelty
3 Droim Gath v Caislean an Mhuillin M Cranney
4 Sabhall (Na Padriag) v Noamh Eoin Bosco A Grant
5 B v Noamh Eoin OFF
6 Misteiligh an Iuir v An Riocht G Brannigan
7 Loch an Oilean v Cill Chua D Cottor
8 Cill Cliethie v Cluain Diamh M Curran
9 A v Ath Bhriain OFF
10 Noamh Mhuire v Droichead Mhaigh Eo L Morgan
11 Droim an Easa v Baile Ui Mhartin J Killen
12 Eanach Cluana v Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua D Kearns
13 An Cloch Fhada v Boireann N Cousins
14 Ait Ti Chathail v Seamrogai an Iuir M Cole
15 An Ghleann v Caislean Ruairi G Corrigan
16 C v Rgu Dun Padriag OFF

Who is the St. Mary's team the Bridge play?
Title: Re: Minor Championship
Post by: stiff breeze on May 06, 2008, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 06, 2008, 04:28:03 PM
The Powerade Down Minor Football Championship begins this week with a number of games taking place on Wednesday the 7th May.

Minor Football Preliminary Round Wednesday 7th May at 7-30pm
A Sabhall v Ti Chonnachta L Smyth
B Noamh Seosamh v Noamh Colman's P Brannigan
C Clan Na Banna v Ard Ghlais S Flynn

Minor Football Round One Wednesday 7th May at 7-30pm
1 Cill Darach v Baile Cholmain S Lowey
2 Bredach v Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh G Tumelty
3 Droim Gath v Caislean an Mhuillin M Cranney
4 Sabhall (Na Padriag) v Noamh Eoin Bosco A Grant
5 B v Noamh Eoin OFF
6 Misteiligh an Iuir v An Riocht G Brannigan
7 Loch an Oilean v Cill Chua D Cottor
8 Cill Cliethie v Cluain Diamh M Curran
9 A v Ath Bhriain OFF
10 Noamh Mhuire v Droichead Mhaigh Eo L Morgan
11 Droim an Easa v Baile Ui Mhartin J Killen
12 Eanach Cluana v Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua D Kearns
13 An Cloch Fhada v Boireann N Cousins
14 Ait Ti Chathail v Seamrogai an Iuir M Cole
15 An Ghleann v Caislean Ruairi G Corrigan
16 C v Rgu Dun Padriag OFF

Who is the St. Mary's team the Bridge play?
warrenpoint by any chance. Are they sometimes called st marys?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on May 06, 2008, 04:37:33 PM
could be completly wrong here mallon,  laiotrim joined with dromara???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 06, 2008, 05:00:46 PM
At u16 level, St Mary's is indeed a combination of Leitrim and Dromara so it is almost certainly the same at minor. It's still a bit hard to believe that a club with Leitrim's tradition cannot field under-age teams on their own.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on May 06, 2008, 05:08:36 PM
think its maybe more to do with dromara not being able to get quite enough to field full teams and leitrim accomodating them. dromara do great work keeping their teams going in a very sparcely populated area where gaa definitely isnt top dog.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 06, 2008, 05:13:34 PM
The game will be played in Leitrim then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 06, 2008, 05:30:14 PM
i would be 90% sure it is aiden but il find out for you tonight!

behind the wire your near enough right, esp with the u-16s we would get at most 6 dromara lads, however without dromara we would only have 16-17 players, i dont know why it is smaller families?there's not many that dont play its just thats theres not many full stop!!

mourne rover you over your u16s?club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 06, 2008, 06:44:16 PM
wached St Marys u16s last week, some good ball players in the team. they play a direct style and are well, robust in the tackle  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 06, 2008, 07:02:05 PM
great memories ;Dhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BpXp1wUGfw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 06, 2008, 09:11:00 PM
The minor match tomorrow night is in Dromara.  Can anyone give me directions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 06, 2008, 09:27:50 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballela 0.15 Portaferry 2.17

It was 0.6 to 1.8 at half-time but we pegged it back to a point 10min into the second half then Portaferry got another goal, Jerome Trainor came on with 10 to go and the bit of experience they had in their ranks closed the game out. We'r goin well though, we were missing 6 players, 3 who played in the previous two matches, two of which were with the Clann na Banna panel v Downpatrick on a designated Hurling nite.

Any other scores?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 07, 2008, 08:50:41 AM
Ballygalget beat Bredagh 4-9 to 1-8. They scored 3 goals in tha last 10 minutes but were always in control.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on May 07, 2008, 09:26:14 AM
clann na banna 1-12 downpatrick 1-08

good to get another win. tried our best to throw it away in second half. ref poor again, poor for both teams though, think it evened itself out over the course of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 07, 2008, 09:42:42 AM
Thats a couple of great results Clan na Banna have had this season.  Beating Annaclone and now Downpatrick they look to be heading in the right direction.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 07, 2008, 10:44:02 AM
Quote from: amallon on May 06, 2008, 09:11:00 PM
The minor match tomorrow night is in Dromara.  Can anyone give me directions?

I'd imagine it would be a straight for you through Rathfriland Aidan. When you get into Dromara village you'd need to ask someone as I seem to remember the ground was hard enough to find. Just be careful who you ask ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 07, 2008, 11:22:56 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 07, 2008, 10:44:02 AM
Quote from: amallon on May 06, 2008, 09:11:00 PM
The minor match tomorrow night is in Dromara.  Can anyone give me directions?

I'd imagine it would be a straight for you through Rathfriland Aidan. When you get into Dromara village you'd need to ask someone as I seem to remember the ground was hard enough to find. Just be careful who you ask ;)

if you are coming in from the Rathfriland side, you will need to take a right onto Bridge Road, just before you come into the village, and this then leads on to Castlewellan Road, which you will need to follow until you come over the crest of the hill and see the pitch directly in front of you!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on May 07, 2008, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 06, 2008, 09:11:00 PM
The minor match tomorrow night is in Dromara.  Can anyone give me directions?
Dromara GAC in on the Castelwellan Road out of Dromara.
From Rathfriland go through Ballyroney and Moneyslane (neither a GAA stronghold  ;D ). The road will start getting hilly from there. Closer to Dromara, after Finnis chapel but before Dromara Village take a right (at the soccer club) onto Bridge road which leads onto the Castlewellan road. Dromara GAC is about another mile.  About 17-18 miles from Mayobridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 07, 2008, 02:03:45 PM
Its the great management team square ball  ;)!I see u got sorted aiden only getting on here now!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 07, 2008, 02:54:33 PM
Ballyroney and Moneyslane??? Do I go into the square in Rathfriland and head down the road oppisite the union jack?  This road forks off to the right half way down the hill is this the one I need to be on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 07, 2008, 03:23:27 PM
thats the one then straight the whole way to dromara (straight through crossroads @ moneyslane)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 07, 2008, 03:29:35 PM
Cheers its not a part of the world I know much about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on May 07, 2008, 04:55:52 PM
Anyone got a result from Ardglass drumaness the other night???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on May 07, 2008, 05:25:32 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 07, 2008, 02:54:33 PM
Ballyroney and Moneyslane??? Do I go into the square in Rathfriland and head down the road oppisite the union jack?  This road forks off to the right half way down the hill is this the one I need to be on?

Correct. 

An Droim Bearach CLG  have been keeping the gaelic  games alive in those hills for a long time now, despite the community that surrounds them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 07, 2008, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on May 07, 2008, 02:03:45 PM
Its the great management team square ball  ;)!I see u got sorted aiden only getting on here now!!

where you in Cherryvale when they played Bredagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 07, 2008, 07:12:57 PM
i was aye, helping out with them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 07, 2008, 09:11:57 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael on May 07, 2008, 01:44:55 PM
Bredagh's Div 3 game with Glenn is postponed due to the death of Patsy Owens father
of Bredagh Senior player Conor.RIP

Patsy Owens R.I.P - a Senior Championship winner with Bryansford in 1962 also won several league medals in that era.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 07, 2008, 10:56:17 PM
Ifdown2, I'm just a face in the crowd, but I thought St Mary's looked a very capable u16 team, with big strong players down the middle, when I saw them. It must be great for the Dromara players to go from a club which has difficulty fielding at underage level to one which should get a decent run in the East Down league. However, as I think Leitrim had four players in the last Down squad to reach a senior Ulster final in 2003, it is not a good sign for the rest of us if they are short of bodies. Is it correct that Leitrim hurlers have now joined with Castlewellan for u16s ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 08, 2008, 09:09:49 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 07, 2008, 09:11:57 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael on May 07, 2008, 01:44:55 PM
Bredagh's Div 3 game with Glenn is postponed due to the death of Patsy Owens father
of Bredagh Senior player Conor.RIP

Patsy Owens R.I.P - a Senior Championship winner with Bryansford in 1962 also won several league medals in that era.

Patsy Owens RIP. Patsy also won 2 Junior Hurling championships with Kilkeel in the early 1960s. He was still playing in goals for Bredagh hurlers in the 1980s when he was over 50 years of age.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 08, 2008, 09:17:44 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 07, 2008, 10:56:17 PM
Ifdown2, I'm just a face in the crowd, but I thought St Mary's looked a very capable u16 team, with big strong players down the middle, when I saw them. It must be great for the Dromara players to go from a club which has difficulty fielding at underage level to one which should get a decent run in the East Down league. However, as I think Leitrim had four players in the last Down squad to reach a senior Ulster final in 2003, it is not a good sign for the rest of us if they are short of bodies. Is it correct that Leitrim hurlers have now joined with Castlewellan for u16s ?

Aye thats right I think although worrying that we are struggling to get full teams or squads at underage the fact that castlewellan need or even are able to amalgamate is much more worrying what are all the children in 'the town' at?! Its seems its becoming a worrying trend with more and more st ... Teams in the leagues!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 08, 2008, 09:23:37 AM
The Bridge Minors won fairly well in the end last night.  They were 1-1 to no score down after 5ish minutes but pulled back to lead by a point at the break.  They dominated the second half.  Any other results from the minor championship last night?

One car load of Bridge players were at Dromara soccer club with the gear and all out of the car before the noticed it was a soccer ground.  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 08, 2008, 09:32:11 AM
Quote from: amallon on May 08, 2008, 09:23:37 AM
Any other results from the minor championship last night?


Bredagh beat a fancied Carryduff team in Cherryvale by 3 points. 1-11 to 1-08. A good game of football played in front of a large crowd.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on May 08, 2008, 10:13:10 AM
Drumgath beat Castlewellan by 2 goals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 08, 2008, 10:27:24 AM
Cill Darach (Darragh Cross/Killyleagh amalgam) didnt field V the Harps
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on May 08, 2008, 12:04:51 PM
Anyone got the score from Bright/Ballykinlar in ACFL 4, think this was played on Monday night??
Title: MFC
Post by: No1 on May 08, 2008, 01:22:52 PM
Clonduff beat Kilclief by 6 or 7.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 08, 2008, 02:54:32 PM
lads i found these artilces on the hoganstand website.. some good reading

Eamonn Burns
Down's midfield maestro

by Brian McAvoy

Down's supporters have many happy memories of their team's magnificent All-lreland victory over Meath and each individual will no doubt have their own special moment from the game to savour. One of those moments might well have been witnessed in the twentieth minute of the game when towering Down midfielder Eamonn Burns took a great pass from Greg Blaney and cut incisively through the Meath rearguard to shoot the Mourne County into a 0~5 to 0~4 lead. It was the first time that Down led in the game and it was a lead they were never to lose. Another such moment came thirteen minutes from time when the heroic Meath fightback was on in earnest but Down broke out of defence and moved upfield to score a splendid point. The scorer was Eamonn Burns.

The Bryansford clubman had not scored in the Championship prior to the All-lreland Final but he kept the best wine until the last and turned in his best performance on the day when it really mattered. his display in Croke Park against the highly rated Meath midfield pairing of Liam Hayes and Gerry McEntee proved that on his day Eamonn Burns is a player capable of competing at the highest level. He is an expert at the overhead catch but unlike many other players his talents do not end there. This unselfish player gets through a lot of spade work in every game he plays and often fails to get the credit which his overall contribution to the game merits. He is an excellent distributor of the ball and as he showed in the All-lreland Final he is capable of scoring the odd point or two.

Eamonn also plays midfield for his club and although not a prolific score-getter he was not to surprised about finding the target twice against Meath. 'I score regularly for Bryansford but the chances just didn't come my way while playing for the county this year. In the All-lreland Final I was able to go further forward than what I have been doing all season and when the chances came my way I was delighted to take them", he said.
In a recent newspaper article Liam Hayes described Eamonn Burns as an "awkward" player to play against. "Journalists are paid to write said Eamonn who confesses to not having read the article in question. Liam Hayes had played against Eamonn Burns on several occasions previously, most significantly in the 1990 National Football League Final which the Royal County won by two points. While one might argue as to how appropriate the choice of word used by Hayes was, the Meath player was clearly stating that Burns had a style of play which was difficult to counteract and that any player marking him would find it well neigh impossible to really assert their authority on the game. Indeed in any game, be it club or county it is very rare that Eamonn Burns plays second fiddle to anyone.

Eamonn Burns has been playing Gaelic Football from about the age of thirteen. His very first manager at juvenile level was Willie Kane himself a former county star and one of the greatest club players ever to grace the football fields of Down. An East Down U14 League medal was one of the rare honours to have come the way of the young Bryansford lad but he had slightly more success at schools level when he won a County Down U 14 Vocational Schools medal with St. Malachy's High School, Castlewellan. While at school in Castlewellan Eamonn came under the influence of PJ McGee, the present Down minor football team manager, and Des Farley who trained the All-lreland winning Down team of 1968.

By the age of seventeen, Eamonn was representing Bryansford at adult level and at that stage he was one of three brothers playing for the club. His older brothers Malachy and Colm won All-lreland U-21 medals with Down in 1979 and soon afterwards were to represent the county at senior level. Uncharacteristicly they were not destined to achieve the success that was to come the way of younger brother, though Eamonn still regards them as having the biggest influence on his career.

Never selected to play for down at minor level, Eamonn did make it onto the under 21 team in 1983 but hopes of an Ulster medal vanished with a first round championship defeat by Cavan. It was three years later that Eamonn made his debut on the Down senior team. Manager Sean Smith called him into the panel for the Ulster Championship campaign and he was thrown right in at the deep end by making his first appearance in a Down jersey in an Ulster Senior Championship first round tie. The game was played at Eamonn's home ground of St. Patricks Park, Newcastle and although Down won through on a 2-8 to 1-10 scoreline, it was sadness for Eamonn as a serious injury sustained during the course of the game was to rule him out for the rest of the season.

By the time Eamonn Burns lined out for Down again two years later he had qualified as a teacher and had won a Ryan Cup medal with St. Josephs College, Belfast. Today he is a teacher of Design and Technology at St. Patricks High School, Omagh but his talents are not confined to the classroom as he also coaches the school's under 14 football team.

PJ McGee taught and coached Eamonn Burns at St. Malachys High School, Castlewellan and also coached the Bryansford team which lost to Burren in the 1987 Down Senior Football Championship Final. He better than most could verify that Eamonn Burns is a wonderful ambassador for the game of gaelic football. "On and off the field he is a true gentleman," said PJ. "He is a strong footballer and a very skilful one. He has brilliant skills and I think that this can be allied to the fact that he played a lot of basketball in his earlier days. For one so tall, he is very mobile and you can always be assured that he will give nothing but his best on every occasion."

Two weeks ago, Eamonn Burns achieved what every footballer dreams of but what only the privileged few achieve - he won an All-Ireland senior football medal. The previous day his club Bryansford had won the Kilmacud Crokes All-Ireland Sevens to make it a memorable weekend for Down. When Bryansford last won these renowned sevens in 1984, Eamonn Burns was a playing member of the team. Indeed his tremendous mobility around the pitch is often attributed to the fact that he plays sevens football quite regularly.

He missed out on a sevens medal this time around of course, but that doesn't even cost him a thought. "I'll settle for the medal that I got in its place. It feels fantastic to have won an All-Ireland medal and the enormity of what it means is only beginning to sink in. I feel very honoured and proud to have played a part in helping the Sam Maguire Cup return to the County Down," he stated. Like every other Down person he is no doubt hoping that that same Sam Maguire will be a regular visitor to Down in the years ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 08, 2008, 02:55:42 PM
Carr, Ross

Ross Carr
26 July 1991


Four stretcher-bearers carried Down's towering fullback Conor Deegan from the field with what appeared to be a serious injury. The game was in added time so what remained was at the discretion of the referee. Derry were one point in front. Another championship exit for Down was on the cards. The occasion was the Ulster semi-final in Armagh on June 30th. Giving it one last shot however, Down surged forward. Barry Breen was fouled and Down were awarded a free some forty-eight metres out and to the right of the Derry goal. The crowd held its breath as Down's right-half forward Ross Carr stepped up to take the kick. He had missed an easier one minutes earlier but this time he held his nerve and made no mistake. The men in Red and Black had lived to fight another day.


That vital score was one of seven points which Ross scored in the drawn semi-final and in the replay two weeks later at the same venue he notched up an impressive personal tally of nine points (six from frees) as Down defeated Derry by 0-14 to 0-9 to book a place in the Ulster decider at St. Tiernach's Park Clones. For his scoring ability and overall contribution to the game Ross Carr was voted "Ulster G.A.A. writers Man of the Match in that replay.

SURPRISE
It was a surprise to many when Ross Carr was selected to play in the forward line for Down's opening championship game against Armagh. Better known as defender it was felt by the Down management that his physical strength would be an asset to the Down attack. That he was handed the role of free-taker came as an even bigger surprise. Things did not go well for Ross from placed kicks that day but the management held firm and he and Gary Mason were appointed as the designated free-takers for the semi-final. In both the drawn and replayed semi-finals he did not let the management down. The painstaking hours at practic was certainly paying off.

When asked about his role as a free-taker Ross stated "When playing for Clonduff at juvenile level and in my early years at senior level, I took frees on a regular basis, but for the past seven or eight years I have played in defence and didn't fancy making the journey upfield to hit them. In fact there was no need, as my club has quite a reliable free-taker." He admitted to initially finding it strange playing in attack: "In the Armagh game l was thinking more as a defender but now I have got used to playing up front. The supply of ball from defence has been excellent and with the forwards, and Mickey Linden in particular, creating plenty of room I have been able to feed off them. I'm now actually enjoying it," quipped the twenty-six year old Carnlough-based accountant.

As a sprightly fifteen year, old Ross Carr made it into the Clonduff senior panel in late 1980 and by the following year he was commanding a regular spot on the team. A Down reserve football championship medal is the only accolade he has won with his club at adult level to date, though he has played for Clonduff in two Down Senior Football Championship finals, losing in 1982 and 1983 to Castlewellan and Burren respectively.

Having represented the county at Minor and U-21 level, Ross made his inter-county debut at senior level against Galway in the 1984-85 National Football League. A knee injury ruled him out at football for a while but since making his re-appearance against Armagh in October, 1985 he has been more or less a permanent fixture on the Down team. This game in fact marked the debut of county colleague Barry Breen in a Down senior team jersey. At inter-county level Ross has won Dr. McKenna Cup medals in 1987 and 1989 and indeed captained the team to victory on the latter occasion.

HEARTBREAK
Ross Carr knows all too well the heartbreak of an Ulster Final defeat. He played at left-half-back on the Down side which lost by 1-11 to 0-10 to Tyrone on the occasion of Down's last appearance in an Ulster Final, in 1986. Eight of that team are currently on the Down panel and the then Down manager, Sean Smith, and his parents are viewed by Ross as those who influenced him most in Gaelic football.

Ross in fact grew up living next door to Patsy O'Hagan who won two All-lreland medals with Down but even had that not have been the case, Ross Carr would still have played Gaelic football as the name Carr is synonymous with the game in County Down. His uncle Gerry captained the first Down team to win an All-lreland title with the Junior football team of 1946. Aidan Carr, the father of Ross, was a substitute on that team while his uncles Hughie and Barney also wore the county jersey with distinction. It was that same Barney Carr who managed the Down teams which brought the Sam Maguire Cup across the border in those glorious years of 1960 and 1961. His cousin Seamus won an All-lreland Minor football medal with Down in 1979 while on the maternal side of his family, his uncle Charlie Bradley won a Down Senior football championship medal with Clonduff in 1944.



SOMETHING SPEClAL
Being a realist, Ross Carr knows that Down will have to produce something special if they are to defeat Donegal on Sunday. "Donegal are an excellent team and are playing in their third consecutive Ulster Final. They appear to have no weaknesses and they have a shrewd observer of the game in team manager Brian McEniff. Having got to Croke Park last year he has his heart set on returning there and achieving greater things this year. We will have to play out of our skins if we are to stand any chance at winning." stated Carr.

Ross has worked as an accountant with John McMahon & Co., Chartered Accountants, 112, Camlough Road, Newry, Co. Down since March 1989. He recently had exam success which helped to contribute to a successful July and will be working hard in the winter to complete his qualification next year.

A daunting task therefore awaits Down but like all teams from the Mourne County they will no doubt give it their best shot. Donegal will start as firm favourites, and rightly so, but Ulster football is so unpredictable that anything could happen. And to borrow a phrase which was used about another team in another code
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 08, 2008, 02:56:36 PM
Doherty, Paddy

Paddy Doherty in action
10 April 2001


Ballykinlar! The name conjures up contrasting connotations. A bleak Prisoner of War camp in which many Irish patriots spent years of frustration and oppression or the place that produced the legendary Down footballer Paddy 'Mo' Doherty. With our ingrained penchant for leaning towards more pleasant images, there is little doubt that most of us will associate Ballykinlar with Doherty and his magical left foot.
The Down team of the early 1960's certainly caught the imagination of the public with their bright and breezy style and their arrival on the All-Ireland scene provided the Association with a massive boost as huge crowds flocked to their games. Down teams had given their supporters little cause for celebration throughout the first 75 years of the Association's history but they marked that 75th Anniversary by winning the Ulster championship for the first time. Many of the game's afficionados still regard Down's arrival as the biggest, and most welcome, development in the last half-century.

Despite the lack of a successful tradition in the county, football was still the main game and, in Ballykinlar, the Doherty name was synonymous with the local club. Ballykinlar is one of Down's seaside parishes and prior to the formation of the GAA club, cricket was the most popular game with soccer also widely played. Both of these sports declined considerably following the formation of the football team and in 1936, Ballykinlar won the Junior championship.



Paddy was one of the second generation Dohertys to play with Ballykinlar and his talents, even as a teenager were soon the talk of the East Down football fraternity. He was on the county minor team for two years playing in the Ulster final of 1952 in which Down lost to Cavan. He was selected on the Junior team in 1953 and made his debut for the seniors in a Dr McKenna Cup match against Tyrone in 1954.

But Paddy was also a gifted soccer player and having impressed local scouts, soon came to the attention some clubs in the Irish League as well as some from England. Eventually he signed for Lincoln City but only stayed for two months because of homesickness. On his return home he signed for Ballyclare Comrades and scored over 30 goals in just half a season with the Irish League side.
For his troubles Paddy was suspended from the GAA for a year which was subsequently reduced to six months. On the expiry of his ban, he returned to football action, a decision which was to have an enormous impact on the future of Down football.

He was a substitute on the Ulster team that won the Railway Cup in 1955...Down's slight improvement was highlighted by the fact that they had two players on the starting fifteen, Kevin Mussen and Kieran Denvir. George Lavery was also on the panel.

The County Board embarked on a new, progressive method of team management, and with the realisation that there was unprecented talent available in the county, no stone was left unturned in the efforts to make the provincial championship breakthrough.

In 1958, the Mournemen qualified for an Ulster final clash with Derry, thanks to a comprehensive semi-final win over defending champions Tyrone (Paddy scored the game's only goal). It was only the third occasion on which they appeared on the province's big day...they were beaten by Cavan in the 1940 and '42 deciders, and hopes were high that the Anglo-Celt Cup would make it's way to the county for the first time. Adding to the excitement of the occasion was the fact that Derry were also attempting to win the title for the first time.

There is a remarkable anecdote concerning the game which is scarcely believable in the context of preparations and arrangements for modern 'big match' occasions. Star corner-back George Lavery was missing when the Down team arrived in the dressing room...inexplicably, he had been not been collected and was unable to get to Clones!

The incident forced a re-shuffle in defence and the team failed to recover. Despite Paddy scoring a goal from a penalty, Derry went on to win by four points.

While supporters and players may have been deeply disappointed, the team management remained optimistic...they were ahead of schedule in their overall plan and were confident that the breakthrough was imminent. An interesting statistic...the 1958 final was the first of 12 consecutive Ulster final appearances for Down!

Another encouraging aspect emerged from the Clones curtain-raiser in which the county minors won the provincial title for the first time. At centre-field on the winning team was a certain Sean O Neill, whose display hinted at an upsurge in the county's fortunes.

In 1959, a late point from Paddy against Derry secured a place in the Wembley Tournament against Galway, a game which many observers believe to have been the turning point for Down. They played superbly and won by 3-9 to 4-4 with Paddy 'Mo' accounting for 0-7.

The Wembley victory gave the team an enormous boost and they went into the Ulster Championship surrounded by an unprecedented degree of optimism. Victory over Derry and Monaghan in the McKenna Cup helped to maintain the momentum...it was only the second ever McKenna Cup success for the county.

Championship victories over Antrim and Tyrone followed and the scene was set for a second successive Ulster final appearance...this time the opposition would be provided by Cavan...a team with 33 titles to their credit against a team aiming for their first.

With Huge Down support urging them on, the team was well on it's way to victory by half-time when they led by 1-10 to 0-2. Paddy 'Mo' had created the goal opportunity for Brian Morgan and had also accounted for four points. Incredibly, Down had fifteen points to spare at the final whistle, 2-16 to 0-7.
There were wild celebrations across the county but the voyage came to a disappointing end when Galway's greater experience was the decisive factor in the All-Ireland semi-final.

Kerry emerged as All-Ireland champions in 1959 and when Down registered a memorable victory over the champions in the 1960 National League semi-final, all doubts about the team's potential were removed. A crowd of 50,000 turned up for the final which was the first ever all-Ulster decider, and saw the Mournemen take the title for the first time with victory over Cavan.

The path to the most historic of All-Ireland victories began with a win over Antrim and continued with another against Monaghan. Both were of the 'easy' variety and, once again, Cavan were waiting in the provincial final. The Breffnimen were not lacking in motivation following their humiliation in '59 but Paddy Doherty was similarly dealt them a mortal blow after only forty seconds when he buried the ball in the net. And it was the Ballykinlar genius who finished off a subsequent Cavan rally when he scored his second goal at the three quarter stage.

Offaly had emerged from Leinster for the first time and the All-Ireland semi-final clash was the most novel of pairings. In a tough as teak encounter Offaly looked to be on the path to victory when they led by 2-4 to 0-3 at half-time but the second half saw Paddy at his best and there's little doubt that he was the inspiration behind Down's magnificent comeback that saw them snatch a deserved draw.

Apart from his excellent point-taking both from play and placed balls, he was the executor-in-chief when Down were awarded a controversial penalty. They were trailing by three points at the time and the tension was unbelievable. Doherty rifled it past Willie Nolan and Down were back in contention.
The replay was also a close affair with the Ulster champions coming out on top by two points.

The scene was set for the final showdown...Down v Kerry...Down seeking their first title and Kerry seeking their 20th. There was an amazing atmosphere all over the county as the players prepared for the big day. But they were well prepared and were not over-awed by the great occasion. They led by 0-9 to 0-5 at the interval but Kerry were still in contention until Doherty forced his marker to bring him down in the 'square'. Cool as ever, he stepped up to blast the penalty to the net.

Although Kerry subsequently battled bravely, it was always going to be Down's day after Paddy's goal. In the end, it was a double scores victory, 2-10 to 0-8, and the Sam Maguire Cup was on it's way across the border for the first time.

The breakthrough had been made and a new force had arrived on the scene. Down's victory was arguably the most significant in the GAA's history and their achievement was to be a great example to other teams in future years.

Kevin Mussen was the first captain from the Six Counties to be presented with the Sam Maguire Cup and he was captain again when the Mournemen set out to defend their title in 1961. The Ulster title was retained but Kevin lost his place for the All-Ireland semi-final against Kerry and the selectors opted for Paddy as captain. Down maintained their superiority over the Kingdom thanks to a scintillating display which is still regarded as their finest at Croke Park...they had six points to spare at the final whistle.

Offaly provided the opposition in the All-Ireland final in which five goals were scored in a sensational first half. The first two went to Offaly but Down recovered and, inspired by James McCartan's 'wonder' goal they erased Offaly's six-point advantage before going on to retain their title with a one-point win. It was a memorable occasion for Paddy 'Mo' who further enhanced the list of legendary All-Ireland winning captains.

Over the next six years, Paddy experienced the ups and downs of football and there must have been many's the occasion when he despaired of ever again gracing Croke Park on All-Ireland final day. The Ulster title was won in 1963, '65 and '66 but on each occasion Down lost out at the semi-final stage.
And then, when least expected, they returned in 1968.

Only Paddy, Sean O Neill, Dan McCartan and captain Joe Lennon remained of the 1960-'61 team but they provided the experience, the inspiration and the example to their relatively inexperienced colleagues. They won the National League in the Spring and defeated Cavan in the Ulster final.with Paddy scoring 0-9 against the Breffnimen.'

The defeat by Galway at the same stage in 1965 was avenged in the semi-final before the 100% championship record against Kerry was maintained in the final.

In total, Paddy won three All-Ireland SFC medals, seven Ulster SFC medals, three NFL Medals and seven Railway Cups. He was part of one of the greatest half-forward lines ever seen and his name will always be mentioned when great forwards are spoken about.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 08, 2008, 02:57:26 PM
Paul Higgins
Down & Ballymartins anchor-man


By BRIAN MC AVOY

Twelve different clubs were represented by the fifteen players which lined out for Down against Meath in this year's All-Ireland final and when Liam Austin and Ambrose Rogers were introduced to the action, the club's tally had risen to fourteen. This spread of players made it inevitable that players from lower divisions would be represented and among those clubs were the Down Division Two club Ballymartin. The Ballymartin Club is located in the foothills of the Mourne Mountains, situated on the coast between Newcastle and Kilkeel and their representative on the Down team was left corner back Paul Higgins. Another club representative Gregory McCartan formed part of the thirty-one man panel.

Paul Higgins is a stocky built, tenacious footballer who will never be found wanting in terms of determination or commitment. He is the first Ballymartin clubman to firmly establish himself on the Down Senior team since the great Jarlath Carey, who won All-Ireland Senior Football medals with Down in 1960 and 1961.

From an early age it was clear that Paul Higgins would be a footballer. His father Tom Higgins was a great servant of Ballymartin and indeed won a Down Senior Football Championship medal with the club in 1955, when they beat parish neighbours and keenest of rivals, Longstone, in the final. In his younger days, Paul Higgins lived on the Valley Road just outside the village and living close by was none other than Ambrose Rogers. As a child, Paul Higgins would have kicked football in the hilly fields around his home with Ambrose Rogers and the Longstone clubman has always had a great influence on Paul. "I have always been a great admirer of Ambrose's," said Paul, "for his contribution to the game both on and off the field. He is a terrific footballer and is always encouraging those around him. He is particularly good with kids and always seems to have so much time for them and he has given me so much encouragement throughout my career. He always told me I had the potential to make the county team and since making it he has been of great assistance to me. I am greatly indebted to him."

Together with his older brother, Anthony, Paul Higgins represented Ballymartin at every Underage level from Under 12 to Minor - the Higgins family moved from the Valley Road to live in the village over ten years ago - and although injury was to cut short the career of his brother, Paul has to carry the great tradition of the Higgins family in Gaelic Football to higher plains. A Down Minor Feis Sevens medal won in 1983 is one of the few club honours which Paul has achieved to date, though he was slightly more successful at school level where he won one Down Under 16 Vocational Schools medal and two Under 16l/2 Vocational Schools medals with St. Columban's, Kilkeel.

He represented Down at Minor level in both 1983 and 1984 though they lost out to Derry in the Ulster semi-final on both occasion, the first year at Clones and the second year at Casement Park. "We had our chances to beat Derry in 1983, but didn't take them and that side led by Dermot McNicholl went on to win the All-Ireland title. They were a very good Minor side," said Paul. Higgins proceeded to represent, and was called into the Down Senior panel by manager Jackie McManus prior to the 1989 Ulster Senior Football Championship campaign.

The Ballymartin man made his inter-county debut playing at right half back against Monaghan in a first round Ulster Championship game at Castleblayney. It was to prove a winning debut as inspired by a Mickey Linden goal, Down defeated the then reigning Ulster champions, but the very next game was to witness the end of Down's Championship aspirations as they lost out to Tyrone in the Ulster semi-final, which was again played at St. Mary's Park, Castleblayney. Paul Higgins had done enough in those two games, however to prove that he possessed the credentials to play at the highest level of county football and he has been a regular member of the county panel ever since.

Higgins is a player who likes to go forward and, therefore, would prefer a more attacking role. In the second half of the Ulster final against Donegal in Clones this year, he moved upfield to score a glorious point and, of course, in the first half moved even further upfield to the extent that he found himself with a gilt-edged chance of a goal but his snap shot for a goal went across the face of the goal and went wide.

Paul was not selected for Down's opening two games in the Championship this year, but an injury sustained by Liam Austin in the drawn Ulster semi-final against Derry meant Barry Breen moving to midfield for the replay and Higgins coming in at corner back. Given his chance, he grabbed it and that corner segment on the left wing was always going to be his for the remainder of Down's championship campaign. His best performance was in the All-Ireland semi-final against Kerry and he certainly had the measure of PJ Gillic in the All-Ireland final, though he freely admits that Colm O'Rourke caused him a headache or two.

"To be honest, I thought we had the game won after we scored the goal and I did tend to relax a bit and when Meath came at us, I just wasn't able to get the momentum going again. Meath's comeback just proves the point that games are not won until the final whistle, though I feel my overall game should improve with the experience of playing in the All-lreland final.

Ballymartin Club Chairman, Liam McCartan, has known Paul all his life and says that the 25 year old plasterer has been a great servant of the club through the years, though states that he has been known on occasions to drop the head when things have been going badly. "He will have benefited greatly from this year, however, and it is my hope that he will lead both Down and Ballymartin to even better things in the future," said the Club Chairman.

"In this area everyone looks up to Paul. He is treated like a real folk hero and all the young kids are wearing Down jersies with a big Number 4 on the back. It's the only jersey they want here." Indeed, if anyone was in any doubt about just how popular Paul Higgins was in Ballymartin, then those doubts would have been surely dispelled when the Down team passed through the town on an open-top bus on the Tuesday night following their All-Ireland final victory. Banners everywhere paying tribute to Paul Higgins would be seen and even two Bishops were on the specially erected platform - though it would be unfair to suggest that they were there just to welcome the Down left corner back.

Had Paul Higgins not have been a Gaelic Footballer then there is little doubt that given the time and effort he would have been a star in another sport, for the Ballymartin man is an all-round sportsman. In his spare time he likes to play golf and although he no longer plays competitively he has, in the past, played off a twelve handicap. He regularly plays pool and darts for a local public house and in 1989 won The Kingdom of Mourne Individual Darts Title. No mean achievement in this sports mad area. Gaelic Football is his main love, however, and that's where he intends concentrating his main efforts.

A hamstring injury sustained recently in training will keep him out of action until the New Year, but he is already looking forward to the season ahead. "There is no reason why we can't do very well again next year, but we have set the standard for everyone else. As always, it will be mighty tough to get out of Ulster and we are sitting up there on a pedestal for everyone to get at us. Every team will be out to beat us and they will see their All-Ireland as beating Down. Still we are not All-lreland champions for nothing, and we intend to defend out title with pride and dignity. I am really looking forward to next season," said Paul.

Prior to resuming in the New Year, Paul and the rest of the Down lads will have enjoyed a well earned break in Tenerife. It's something that he is looking forward to and feels that it will help team morale even further. Before the holiday, Paul has another important engagement and that is on the night of December 7th, when he and the rest of the Down players will be presented with their AllIreland medals. Then, and only then, will the full reality of what Down have achieved this year be realised and Paul Higgins will be proud to have been part of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 08, 2008, 02:58:09 PM
Dream of the Down defence

DJ Kane
by Brian McAvoy

Early in the Ulster Senior Football Final against Donegal, Down's wing half-back DJ Kane moved up the left wing, took a pass from Mickey Linden and fired the ball low over Gary Walsh's crossbar. He had moved upfield to score crucial points in earlier rounds against Armagh and Derry and this latest episode at St. Tiernachs Park, Clones levelled the scores at 0-2 apiece. The twenty-six year old Belfast-based Newry Shamrocks clubman has earned the reputation of being a very competitive footballer and a tenacious tackler and while essentially a defender he does occasionally like to move upfield when the opportunity presents itself to shoot the odd point.

A total competitor who hates losing, DJ Kane has made a most significant contribution in ensuring that the Anglo Celt Cup is now back in Down after an absence of ten years.

When DJ's older brother, Val, played left corner forward for the down team which defeated Donegal in the 1963 Ulster Final at Breffni Park, Cavan, the younger Kane was not even born. Val was to command a regular place on Down teams over the next few years and was a sub on the Down team which won the All-Ireland Senior football title in 1968. By virtue of Down's success in this year's Ulster Final, the Kane brothers can certainly claim to have scored quite a unique family double over the men from Tir Connail.

DJ Kane commenced his playing career with the Newry Mitchels club. At underage level he was quite successful and was a member of the Mitchels side defeated by town rivals (and now clubmates) Newry Shamrocks in the 1981 Down Minor Football Championship Final. Twelve months later however he won his Down Minor Football Championship medal playing on the Mitchels side which easily accounted for Rostrevor in the final.

Once described by a local journalist as a "late developer", DJ Kane never represented Down at minor level. He did however, play Under 21 football for the county and played as a forward on the Down side which defeated Antrim in the Centenary Year Ulster Under 21 Final. This was the last occasion in which Down won this particular title but they lost out to Munster champions Cork in the All-Ireland semi-final. Apart from DJ Kane only two members of that Ulster title winning side are presently on the Down senior panel, Ross Carr and Michael Linden.

Winner of a McRory Cup medal with the Abbey CBS, it is at higher education college level that DJ Kane has enjoyed his greatest success to date. In his first year at the Northern Ireland Polytech (now officially known as the University of Ulster, Jordanstown), he won an All-Ireland Freshers medal and he followed this up with Sigerson Cup winners medals in 1986 and 1987. He is also the proud holder of three Ryan Cup medals (Higher Education League) and on one occasion he was selected to play for the Combined Universities in the annual representative games. When UUJ won the Sigerson Cup again earlier this year he occupied a different role - that of team trainer. That team was managed by his brother Val. As UUJ Gaelic Club President, John Farrell says "Both as a player and a coach, this club owes a lot to DJ. Anything he takes on he gives it his total commitment and he is a brilliant team motivator. Any accolade he has ever earned on the gaelic field has been earned totally on merit."

Presently DJ is employed as a Physical Education teacher at Lagan College, Northern Ireland's first officially integrated school which is situated outside Lisburn. Even prior to the setting up of the State in 1921, a system of segregated education was in existence. State schools are perceived as Protestant institutions while Maintained schools are perceived as Catholic institutions. Little has changed in the intervening years though a number of years ago Lagan College was established in a positive attempt to breach the segregated divide. About 700 pupils attend the school and, although gaelic games are on the Physical Education curriculum, only a limited amount of time is devoted to the sport.

Since commanding a regular spot on the Down teams in the autumn of 1986, DJ Kane has always been an integral part of the set-up. Prior to this year, however, he won while playing at this level for the county. In the intervening years he has also changed his club allegiance. After a brief sojourn on the books of the O'Connells club in Belfast, he transferred to the Newry Shamrocks club some years ago. Although with a new club, he was still very much on familiar surroundings, however, as both Newry Shamrocks and his former club, Newry Mitchels, share the town's county ground, Pairc an Iur.

On occasions in the past DJ, by his at times over enthusiastic approach has allowed his temperament to get the better of him but no-one could ever doubt his dedication to the game and to his team mates. "When I go out on that field, I play my guts out for myself and for my colleagues around me," he said and to quote one delegate at last year's Down County Convention, "If Down had more players who scored as much as DJ Kane we wouldn't be looking back on ten years without an Ulster title." The message has obviously had its effect.

Whatever role is asked of this red-haired man, he will go about it diligently and in his own indelible style. When Liam Austin cried off the Down team through injury for the replay against Derry and Barry Breen was pencilled into midfield, DJ was given the difficult assignment of marking Derry's much daunted attacker, Dermot McNicholl. He and DJ are actually quite good friends but that friendship clearly did not extend to the playing field, as DJ completely outplayed the Glenullin man and indeed held him scoreless for the entire game. Martin McHugh suffered the same fate in the Ulster Final. No matter who DJ Kane marks, they can never expect an easy time.
Like all other Down players, the mind of DJ Kane is now firmly set on Sunday's All-Ireland semi final meeting with Kerry in Croke Park which, incidentally, he says is his favourite pitch. He totally dismisses all this hype about down never having lost to Kerry in the championship. "What happened twenty or thirty years ago has absolutely no relevance today. Kerry are Munster champions and a good team at that. They looked very impressive in beating Cork and scored an amazing twenty-three points against Limerick. they must have some forward line. They will really take some beating."

Five months ago Kerry demolished Down in their National League encounter in Killarney and doomed Down to Division Two. Kerry played much constructive football that day and demonstrated that they are a very capable unit. Whether or not Down have improved sufficiently to beat them remains to be seen but one thing is certain: DJ Kane will undoubtedly be giving his all to the cause of the men in Red and Black.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 08, 2008, 02:59:02 PM


Mickey Linden - The Gentleman of Down Football
writes Brian McEvoy

Referee Tommy Howard sounded the final whistle. Croke Park was a sea of Red and Black. The footballers of Down had just defeated Kerry and booked for the Mourne County a spot in the All-lreland Senior Football Final for the first time in twenty-three years. It was a time of celebration. Some people laughed, others cried, but it mattered little as the Red and Black were back and everyone was ecstatic. In the midst of all the excitement great human nature prevailed. Two Down footballers made their way to the invalids section in front of the Hogan Stand and spoke with some of life's less favoured people. They gave their jersies away. One of these players was Conor Deegan - the other was Mickey Linden.

Michael Rory Linden is one of life's true gentlemen. One of a family of five boys and two girls he comes from a family steeped in the gaelic tradition. His mother, Isabel, played camogie for Glenn and later Mayobridge while his father Eamon was a more than useful club player with Mayobridge. All of his brothers play Gaelic Football and indeed his older brother John has already played in an All-lreland final in Croke Park. He played on the London team which lost to Meath in the All-lreland Junior Football Final in 1988. Incidentally a substitute on that team was a young nineteen year-old called Peter Withnall.

Speed, skill and supreme fitness are the trademarks of Mickey Linden. Even when not training with club are or county it is often common to see the genial unassuming Mayobridge man (he actually lives just outside Warrenpoint after his marriage to a local girl Louisa last year) pounding along country roads close to home. A mechanic by trade, he has recently taken up a new appointment with the Department of Transport and makes the long journey to his work in Tyrone on a daily basis.

Even from his early days as a pupil at St. Patrick's Primary School, Mayobridge. it was clear that Mickey Linden was going to be a footballer with that special appeal. He had the knack of a goalscorer and even at that early age his amazing turn of speed was causing all sorts of problems for budding defenders. He later attended St. Mark's High School in Warrenpoint and played a pivotal role in securing u-14 and u-16 Down Vocational Schools Championship.

At club level, Mickey Linden's greatest day came in 1980 when he helped his club defeat a fancied Bryansford side by 0-7 to 1-1 in the Down Minor Football

Championship Final. Playing at midfield Mickey laid the foundation for the success of the 'Sky-blues' by scoring no less than six of his sides seven points. As one local journalist in his post-match analysis of the game wrote "In Michael Linden, Mayobridge had the most accomplished player on the field".

By this stage Michael Linden was already an established player in the Mayobridge first fifteen. In 1980 also he helped them to win the Down All County Division Four title and the following year he steered them to an ail County League Division Three League and Down Junior Football Championship double, Newry Mitchel's being the vanquished side in that Championship Final. Subsequently Mickey Linden helped Mayobridge to win an All County Division Two medal in Down and for the past two seasons his club have finished runners-up in the All County League Division One.

At present Mickey Linden's two big sporting ambitions remain unfulfilled - to win an All-lreland senior Football medal with Down and to win a Down Senior Football Championship medal with his native Mayobridge. I asked him if he would sacrifice his Down Championship medal this year for the sake of an All-lreland medal and he wryly replied "It would be nice to win them both." This aptly indicates the great loyalty which Mickey Linden has to both club and county.

Mickey Linden has represented Down at u-16, minor, u-21 and senior level. In 1981 he seemed well on course to securing an Ulster Minor Football Championship when Down led Derry by 2-6 to 0-0 but the Oak Leaf county staged a remarkable second-half recovery and a last minute penalty from Terence McCluckian gave Derry victory by 3-6 to 2-8. In 1984, Michael won an Ulster u-2 1 Championship with down but he was unable to inspire his team-mates to an All-lreland final appearance as Cork defeated Down by 2-12 to 0-12 in the semi-final.

It was in the Autumn of 1981 when Down team manager Joe Lennon first invited Mickey Linden to join the Down senior Football team panel. Down had a number of months earlier won the Ulster Senior Football title and were competing in Division Two of the National Football League. Mickey made his debut against Meath in a league game in Newcastle. The game ended in a draw The following year he made his Championship debut against Tyrone in Newry. Down's Ulster Crown was lost at the first defence.

Prior to this year Mickey Linden's greatest honour in the famed Red and Black jersey carne in 1983 when he helped Down to a National Football League victory as the Mournemen overcame great rivals Armagh by 1-7 to 0-7 in the final played at Croke Park. He was a member of the Down side which lost to Tyrone in the 1986 Ulster Final but he was slightly compensated with Dr. McKenna Cup Medals in 1987 and 1989.

1991, however, has been a great year for Mickey linden and Down football. the Anglo-Celt Cup returned to the County for the first time in ten years and history repeated itself as the mighty Kerry were conquered in the All-lreland semi-final. Mickey Linden was voted 'Player of the Championship (Ulster) by viewers of BBC television and named as Telecom Eireann Man of the Match in the All-lreland semi-final. While these awards were nice to receive, Mickey is not one to bask in glory. Such things are only peripheral to the real thing and I couldn't have won any of them without the help of all my team-mates. I felt that I was accepting these awards as much on their behalf as on my own" he stated.

In the past Mickey feels that the breaks went against Down but this year he feels that their luck has turned. "In some of our earlier Championship games this season we got the rub of the green on the odd occasion but we were worthy winners of all our games. That little bit of success has helped our moral no end and there is a new found confidence in the camp", said Mickey.

September 15th will no doubt be one of the greatest days in his life. "lt is certainly a dream come true to play in All-lreland Final. lt will be a wonderful occasion and I'm really looking forward to it." All of Down and much further afield will be hoping that Mickey Linden can reproduce the form he has shown all season on the greatest day in the GAA calendar. If he can, then he may well spearhead Down to their fourth All-lreland title.

Should Down win it will be a case for great celebration and few will have cause to celebrate more than the former All Star replacement from Mayobridge. In terms of dedication and commitment he has few peers and if any man ever deserves to win an All-lreland medal, then surely it is that gentleman of Down football, Mickey Linden.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 08, 2008, 02:59:53 PM
King James 11 no longer
pretender to the throne

By Francis Mooney

A new monarch has been crowned in the Kingdom of Mourne.
King James 11, no longer a pretender to the throne since he set Croke Park alight on All-lreland final day, looks set for a lengthy reign in the majestic hills where flags of red and black fly proudly.

The heir apparent has come of age, his crowning glory a dazzling display in the triumphant Battle of Croke against the mighty Royals.

The masterly exploits of King James I on that same battlefield thirty years before flashed before the eyes of thousands of Down supporters as that Prince of footballers James Og McCartan turned on an electrifying display of skill, accuracy and breathtaking speed.

Jinking James was a man apart as he tore the heart out of the Meath defence with explosive bursts of acceleration, uncanny reaction, telepathic understanding and unerring accuracy.

It was his finest hour. The 20 year-old student had no equals on that sunny September afternoon when the Sam Maguire Cup finally prepared for a long-awaited return journey across the border.

Twenty-three long and hungry years had elapsed since an Ulster team last savoured the joy of winning Gaelic football's greatest prize. Then too it was Down who found the magic touch, just as they had on two previous occasions in the sixties, carrying off the Sam Maguire Cup with their own particular brand of fullblooded fluency.

No one epitomised that quality more than James McCartan senior, a fearsome figure who tormented defences as a bustling, battling centre forward who never knew the meaning of defeat.

The pride he felt at winning All-lreland medals was surpassed only by the pride that burned in his heart as he watched his son join him on that exclusive list of footballing immortals on All-lreland final day 1991.

What a game this was - a final to end all finals - and what a performance was required of he who would be worthy of the coveted Telecom Eireann Man of the Match Award.

It was a game of many heroes. but it was James McCartan who set himself apart as a rare talent indeed, a man for the big occasion and a sporting legend in his own lifetime.

Already an All-Star at the age of 19, already an All-lreland medal winner with Down minors while still only 16, here was one boy wonder who had fully realised his early promise.

As he crawled into bed at 4.00 pm on Tuesday September 17th, exhausted and hoping for his first taste of sleep for three days, the reality was just beginning to sink in.

Down really had won the All-lreland Championship and James McCartan was a very important part of it all.

"If anyone had told me six months ago this was going to happen, I wouldn't have believed it" he said.

James had become used to jersey tugging as a top class footballer, but he never expected to lose three shirts among his own, as frantic supporters dragged him this way and that during a four day carnival of celebration.

'My clothes took quite a battering, but I didn't mind. The fans were wonderful, they really got behind us and they deserve their day just as much as we do."

And the pressure of fulfilling endless engagements was much more demanding than the big match itself, as the Down squad look everything in their stride.

"We were so relaxed, I didn't feel any nerves at all before or during the All-lreland final" said James.

"I felt more nervous in the build-up to the semi-final against Kerry, but I think before the final we managed to mentally prepare ourselves perfectly. We all felt so relaxed, I don't know why but I think it was because we had nothing to lose. We were going out against Meath, who in everyone's eyes were unbeatable. So we gave it our best shot, and it turned out to be enough."

The little corner forward confounded all his critics with his dazzling display against the Leinster champions, but he feels some of the criticism levelled against him was unfounded.

"I thought the best game I had this year was the Ulster final, and where people have been criticising me, perhaps they should give some credit to the likes of Kieran McKeever of Derry and John Raffery of Armagh, because they did exceptional jobs when I played against them. But in the All-lreland final the ball seemed to come down my wing a lot more. In other games I had to go looking for possession but this time everything seemed to come my direction, so it made things an awful lot easier.~ He also feels the wide open spaces of Croke Park suited his game more than some of the more confined grounds he is used to in Ulster.

"Some of the pitches in Ulster are that bit smaller and tighter, and that gives defenders a better chance of closing forwards down. But Croke Park gives you much more space, and when you get to the All-lreland stage, while teams will hit you harder, there's less pulling and hauling than there is in Ulster."

It is now an accepted fact that no side can ever assume victory over a Meath team until the final whistle is blown, such has been their extraordinary sequence of comebacks this season.
Even when Down opened up an eleven point lead, James McCartan remained anxious and fearful.

"When we went eight, nine, ten and then eleven points in front, I started to think to myself this is great. But at the same time I became wary of losing my concentration, because I found that I had done that in other games.

"So I tried to an extent to put it out of my head we were getting so far in front, and tried to keep going.'

He recalled: "Against Donegal in the Ulster Final, when we had started to open up a lead, I felt we had to keep going, we had to keep scoring, for I always felt Donegal might come back at us. And so it was against Meath. They are probably the greatest comeback team of all time, so I always felt that we had to keep getting another point, and another point, to put them away. So it wasn't until the final whistle that I felt certain we were going to win. In fact I thought we were going to let it slip when they got to within three point of us.

"Meath have a knack of getting a goal just when they need it, so I thought that three-point gap was just tailor made for another great escape.

"I honestly didn't know whether to stay up in the corner forward position or drop back or help out in defence. A lot of people feel that is where Roscommon made a major mistake in the semi~final. When they got so far in front Paul Earley dropped a lot deeper and left Derek Duggan up front on his own.'

But now McCartan was torn by uncertainty, between wanting to go back to get involved in the play, and not wanting to pull his marker Brendan Reilly upfield, where he had played so well in previous games. "If I had pulled him out of his corner back position he could well have set up a winning score for we all know what Kevin Foley did to Dublin.

"At the end of the day I made the right decision, but if they had grabbed a goal at the end we would have felt very sick. During the last 10 or 15 minutes it was very hard to get involved in the game because it was concentrated very much in our half of the field. But the defenders did their job magnificently and it was marvellous to hold out for victory."

But can Down repeat that victory and bring the Sam Maguire back to the Mournes for a second successive time just as they did in the glorious sixties?
"It's one thing getting to the top. but it's going to be twice as hard to stay there" said McCartan.

"We have to try to beat Armagh in next year's Ulster championship, and All-lreland champions or not, I think we have only a 50/50 chance.

"We all know that Armagh are very well equipped to beat us, and I'm sure they will not forget that they had their chances to beat us this year in the Marshes in Newry.

"They were quite unlucky on a couple of occasions and at the end of the day we just managed to scape through. I think they will lift their game simply because they are meeting the Al~lreland champions. They will be jumping out of their skins. If Armagh were the All~lreland champions, I think we would be going into the game with every confidence of toppling them."

And what of Meath's future? McCartan is sure they will be back.
"Of course Dublin will be out to take their scalps again next year, but they have got great resilience. Everyone is now talking of Meath players retiring. But why should they retire? It was the likes of Gerry McEntee, Colm O'Rourke and Mick Lyons, the elder statesmen, who were their best players in the final. They still have so much to offer and it would be very sad if any of them decided to retire.

"I have great admiration for Meath. They have done so much for football, this year especially. Those comebacks will never be forgotten by Gaelic football fans, but I think they left it just a little bit late against us.

"When we were four or five points up they probably felt they had plenty of time to come back. But then we hit a purple patch, and went 11 points ahead.

"It was only then that they woke up and realised they had a lot to do. They really were caught out by what they themselves had achieved in the past. Then they could not do enough and time just beat them in the end."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 08, 2008, 03:00:41 PM
McGovern, Tommy

The McGovern brothers Tommy, Brendan and Vincent enjoy the company of their late father Jimmy RIP inside the Croke Park dressingroom after the 1996 All Ireland club final. Tommy's son Damien (5) looks on.
30 May 2001


Tommy McGovern has been acclaimed as one of Down footballs best ever defenders and doesnt his roll of honour say as much! Hogan Stand talks to the Burren clubman about a career which brought him a bucketful of medals.
The much-decorated Tommy McGovern swears he has no regrets as he reflects on a glittering career with club, county and province.

That said, the Down man does concede though that he went through all sorts of emotional turmoil when the Mournemen climbed Everest to win the All-Ireland senior title in 1991.

"I was delighted for the players and the team-management but there was a bit of me which said that maybe I could have been there.

"I suppose it was a bit of self-pity. I had played with the county for over ten years and hadn't managed to get to an All-Ireland final. That feeling didn't last too long though once I thought of great players like Dermot Earley and Tony McManus and others who hadn't won an All-Ireland either," Tommy explains.
In a way, the former Burren stalwart could well stand accused of being greedy. That would be the ultimate irony though given that he was such a great team player and a man adept at covering the tracks of some team-mates who weren't quite blessed with the same football brain.

Still, McGovern could be accused of wanting jam on it. After all, what modern-day footballers can boast of having won two All-Ireland club medals, three Railway Cup, two senior provincial championship, one national league and seven senior county championship medals . . .plus a replacement All-Star award?
"I had a good enough innings but only for a virusand developing M.E. when I was 33 I could have played on for another bit. I would have loved to have been involved with Down when they beat Meath but you can't have everything."

That the former ace club midfielder and staunch county and provincial full back enjoyed some rare 'oul times on the field of play, there can be no doubt.



Born into a GAA-mad family, the young McGovern and his nine brothers were nephews of the great John McClorey (his mother's brother), the first Burren footballer to play for Ulster and, as such, the big ball game was always going to be part of their growing up. It's no surprise that this pedigree has been carried on as latter-day countymen Miceal Magill and Sean Ward are both nephews of Tommy.
It seems there were many more good days than bad ones on the football field around Burren as Tommy and his siblings developed their skills.

For one, Tommy was on hand to captain the club team to a refreshing county minor championship title in 1974 and with other would-be starlets about such as Paddy O'Rourke, and his own brother Brendan, the odds were always short that Burren were going to make an impression at senior level sooner rather than later.

"We were extremely well looked after and tutored at underage level by a man called Sean Murdock. He had a fierce interest in football and I remember him taking us away to matches in an old van he had. He was Mister Burren back then and was responsible for nurturing the talents of a lot of young fellas over the years, including myself."

So the writing was on the wall, as regards the impending success in '81?
"I'd say so. We were knocking on the door for a few years before we actually made the breakthrough to win the senior title in 1981. For some time before that, we always had a solid enough team but we lacked the sharpness up front to really make it pay when push came to shove. Then the likes of 'Shorty' Treanor and Tony McArdle came along and the balance in the team came right."
And what a balance!

Although Tommy and co. crashed out of the championship in '82 at the hands of division two side Teconnacht, they were back with a bang the following year. In all, they proceeded to win the next six senior county championship titles.

Apart from the balance of the team, what else had Burren got going for themselves then?
"There was a great team spirit, a great sense of commitment among the players and a good mix of youth and experience, particularly by the time 1986 came around.

In 1986 Burren were arguably at their best. Captained by Tommy, the Down kingpins had first to bypass the challenge of determined and highly-rated Monaghan champions Scotstown.

"Scotstown had a very good team back then with quite a few of them being regulars on the Monaghan county team. Players like Gerry and Jack McCarville and Fergus Caulfield were great players and I remember telling the lads that if we were able to beat them (Scotstown) we were able to go the whole way."

And so it came to pass that the fledgling All-Ireland club champions did indeed beat the best of the rest to land the national title with a terrific win over a Charlie Nelligan-bolstered Castleisland Desmonds team from Kerry.

Burren's glory days didn't end there though. The team was back in the winner's enclosure in 1988 when crack Roscommon side Clann Na Gael - the McManuses et al - were defeated in the All-Ireland decider. Earlier, in the semi-final, Burren had upset the odds by defeating competition kingpins Nemo Rangers. For good measure, Tommy remembers having a decent enough game marking the great Dinny Allen in that penultimate encounter.

"Those were tremendous days for Burren. To see grown men cry after those victories really brought it home to the players just what the titles meant to seasoned veterans in the club.

"The fact that Burren picks from such a small area made such success all the sweeter and winning such a prestigious competition really put the village on the map.

"I remember those wins created a real buzz about the football club which lasted a long time," adds the father of current Burren starlets Damien, Eunan and Andrew and university student Rachel.

Meanwhile, Tommy enjoyed equally thrilling days on the county and provincial fronts during his prime.
For instance, in 1981 he captained his county to victory over Armagh in the Ulster SFC final although he shared the grave disappointment of his brother and team-mate Brendan when the side subsequently lost out to champions-elect Offaly in the All-Ireland semi-final.

"Brendan missed a penalty that day but I've long since forgiven him," Tommy quips.
Three years earlier, the disappointment was no less intense as Tommy featured on a Down team which made it through to the All-Ireland semi-final where they led Dublin by four points early on only to be pegged back by the metropolitans.

"That was a great Dublin team. You had men like Brian Mullins, Jimmy Keaveney and Tony Hanahoe. There was no shame in losing out to them."

No shame either was attached to Tommy being named as a replacement All-Star on the trip to the USA in 1978/79. The visit then to New York, Chicago, San Francisco and Los Angeles is a memory Tommy says he will never forget.

Now 45 years of age, Tommy is feeling the aches and pains that are inevitable by-products of amassing so many miles on the playing fields of Ireland.

A nasty and 'oftimes recurring virus brought an untimely end to his playing career in 1988 when he was just 33. He has worked at Warrenpoint Docks for the past 26 years as a supervisor which has kept his body and his mind occupied. Sometimes talk at work does come around to All-Irelands. Sore point? Not a bit.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 08, 2008, 03:01:24 PM
Gerard McGrattan

Down history maker unknown outside the Ards in early 1992. Nowadays the Portaferry All Star is a household name in hurling Ireland

Twelve months ago the name Gerard McGrattan was totally unknown outside the Ards Peninsula. Today he is a household name not only in his native county down but throughout the whole of Ireland. The twenty year old employee of the aircraft manufacturers Shortts has set the hurling world alight with his performances during the last six months or so and his rise to fame is synonymous with the recent and dramatic rise of Down hurling.

By his build, McGrattan is an impressive figure, standing 6'2” in height, with broad muscular shoulders and weighing some 13 stone, his very physique is enough to grab attention. His tremendous strength, his long looping stride and his exceptional hurling skills make him a player of renown and one who no doubt, will continue to capture the headlines in the years ahead.

It may seem strange to some but it is fact that Gerard McGrattan had never worn a Down senior jersey prior to the 1992 championship. He had represented Down at minor and under 21 levels, winning Ulster Championship medals in both grades, but due to examination commitments, he was unable to join the down senior hurling panel for the 1991-1992 Royal Liver Assurance National League.

Injuries to a number of key players gave Sean McGuinnes the opportunity to give Gerard his chance and he made his debut for the Down senior hurling team on July 5th 1992, in the Ulster semi-final against Derry at Casement Park. Down scored a whopping nine goals and eighteen points that day and while it was other forwards such as Noel Sands and Michael Blaney who grabbed most of the limelight that day, young McGrattan had got his first taste of senior action and he was ready to do battle with Antrim in the Ulster Final a week later.

“Down's glorious twelfth was also Gerard McGrattan's twelfth.” Time and time again he pierced the Antrim rearguard with darting runs and when not scoring himself, he was creating space and setting up scoring chances for his colleagues. Gerard McGrattan remembers that famous July day vividly. “It was a great occasion, It was fantastic to beat Antrim but to beat them in an Ulster Final made it all the more sweeter. While obviously delighted to have my Ulster medal, I was particularly delighted for some of the longer serving members of the squad who for years played their hearts out and won nothing. It was good to see players like Noel Keith and Gerard Coulter finally collect their Ulster medals.”

Down's reward for winning their first Ulster senior hurling title since 1941 was an All-Ireland semi-final meeting with the mighty Cork. History was made on that August 9th day when Down, in their changed strip of amber, played the Rebel County, in that the men from the Mourne County were playing in an All-Ireland senior hurling semi-final for the first time. After winning the Ulster senior hurling title in 1941, Down were regraded and playing in the All-Ireland junior hurling semi-final where they lost to Galway.

Like he was in the Ulster final, Gerard McGrattan was the star of the show in the All-Ireland semi-final and his performance that day won him the Telecom Eireann Man of the Match award. Time after time during the first half, he cut through the Cork defence, piling the points on at will and from an early stage the Cork mentors were forced to move Cathal Casey to mark him, in a bid to minimise the effect McGrattan was having on the proceedings.

“It didn't worry me who was marking me,” said Gerard. “I always play my own game and that occasion was no different. Cathal Casey is a final hurler but all opponents must be respected. I just treated him like any other hurler and continued to do my own thing to the best of my ability.”

Down lost nothing in defeat that day - indeed they gained many new admirers. They had tasted the big time and like the footballers who had gone before them, were in no way overawed by the task. “Knowing that we can compete with the best has given us the desire to return again and do even better. We must aim even higher. People say that with only three strong hurling clubs we can never hope to win an All-Ireland. I disagree. Offaly have shown the way. They had only four or five more hurling clubs than us when they won the All-Ireland in 1981, so it can be done. We must now set our standards even higher and aim to do even better and if we do this, who knows what might be the outcome,” said Gerard.

Recent National League results show that Down are not intent on resting on their laurels but do intend to aim even higher. The league began with a victory over Offaly at Ballycran before losing narrowly to Limerick but the year was rounded off magnificently with another famous victory over Antrim at Casement Park. With four points out of six, Down now stand an excellent chance of qualifying for the league play-offs, though difficult assignments against Tipperary (home) and Kilkenny (away) remain.

The current league has been a good education for the Portaferry clubman - it has quickly taught him the price of success. So conscious were Offaly of the threat he posed that it took two men to mark him for most of the hour, but the resulting gaps created by this play did not go unnoticed by the other Down forwards and they carved the way for Down's third victory over Offaly in four outings.

“Against Limerick we played well but were unlucky to lose,” stated Gerard, “while I don't remember much of the Antrim game, having been injured early on. Thankfully, the injury was not as serious as first feared and I am now back training and expect to be fit for the game against Tipperary on 7th March.”

The success of Gerard McGrattan's first year in senior intercounty hurling can be judged by his trophy cabinet. A winner of the TSB/Gaelic World consistency award, he was voted Hurler of the Year in Ulster in a Sunday Press GAA players poll and he was also named on The Sunday Independent hurling team of the year. On the night of Friday 18th December however, he made history when he became the first Down hurler to win an All Star award. Selected in his favourite position at right half forward, his honour has placed Down among the elite counties of gaelic games, one of only eight which have had All Star winners in both hurling and football.

“I was really delighted with the All Star award. I don't only see it as a personal award but one which I won on behalf of the team. I felt that we deserved one or two other All Stars but the selection committee obviously had other ideas. Our goalkeeper Noel Keith for one, definitely deserved an award but he didn't even get a nomination,” stated Gerard. He added “I was also pleased with the players award. It is nice to be honoured by those who you rub shoulders with every time you put on a jersey. That award is one which I will really cherish.”

Gerard McGrattan comes from the Portaferry club and together with Ballycran and Ballygalget, they form the bulk of player representation on the Down senior hurling squad. Only two members of the 1992 championship panel came from outside the 'Ards', one coming from the Leitrim club and the other from the Kilclief club. None of these players actually played in the championship but one of them, Jerome McCrickard, has subsequently played in the league.

Since 1960, the Ards clubs have competed in the Antrim league but they continue of course, to play their championship hurling in Down. The rivalry between the clubs is intense and indeed often families have split loyalties. Gerard, for example, is a cousin of fellow county player Gary Savage, who plays his club hurling with Ballycran (both representative mothers being sisters), while his sister Angela is married to Down's star corner back Kevin Coulter, and “Cody' as he is affectionately known, plays his club hurling with Ballygalget.

It was Ballygalget who halted Portaferry's bid to win their third Down senior hurling championship title in four years last September. Gerard McGrattan had won championship medals with Portaferry in 1989 and 1991 but in 1992 they lost out to Ballygalget in the first Down final since 1973 which did not involve Ballycran. Portaferry won the 1992 county final everywhere but on the scoreboard. In Gerard McGrattan's words “we dominated the game for long periods but failed to take our chances and Ballygalget made a great comeback in the final minutes to snatch victory by a point. Graham Clark was superb in goal for Ballygalget but we still had enough chances to win. You can't afford to waste scoring opportunities when playing against Ballycran or Ballygalget.”

For many years this intense rivalry of these three great clubs spilt onto the county team, consequently Down teams did not always perform to their capabilities. No doubt, many opportunities of success at inter county level were lost because the correct team spirit was missing. Gerard McGrattan agrees that the appointment of Sean McGuinness as Down senior hurling team manager has been the key which unlocked these barriers and the affable Antrim man has instilled a new pride in wearing the red and black among the Down hurlers.

“There is great spirit in the camp under Sean. He has instilled a new spirit into us. He gets away with things that perhaps an Ards man might not get away with. He is a great character and his great sense of humour and camaraderie makes training enjoyable. He has instilled a new belief in us and I know that we can continue to go from strength to strength,” said Gerard.

There is little doubt that today once a Down hurler puts on a jersey, he is almost willing to die for the other fourteen men in red and black on the same field. This might not always have been the case in the past. The past few years however, have witnessed a dramatic turnaround in the fortunes of Down hurling and the Down stars of today will perhaps inspire a new generation of Down hurlers to even greater success in the years to come. That's in the future however. For the present, the Down hurlers can reflect on a triumphant 1992 and look forward to the coming season with great optimism and few can be more optimistic than Gerard McGrattan. It is doubtful if anyone has grabbed more headlines in their first season at senior level than the tall Portaferry man. If he can continue to hurl like he did during 1992, then a glittering career is in prospect for Gerard McGrattan.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 08, 2008, 03:02:12 PM
They do not come much bigger than Mayobridge Star Tom O'Hare


On September 22nd 1968, Down won their third All-Ireland Senior football title when they defeated Kerry in the decider on a scoreline of 2-12 to 1-13, having already overcome Galway at the semi final stage five weeks earlier by 2-10 to 2-8. One of the heroes of that Down side from 25 years ago was Mayobridge man Tom O'Hare. Starting the game in the left corner back position, Tom was switched to centre half back after fifteen minutes to curtail the advances of rampant Kerry pivot man and captain Pat Griffin who was running the Down defence ragged. O'Hare did a good marking job on Griffin and even found time to move upfield and kick two priceless points from frees as the Down men collected their third All-Ireland title of the 60's. It is not surprising to learn that time has somewhat dulled Tom's memories of the big occasion - but one vivid memory from that September day sticks out in his mind to this very day. "I remember when the final whistle went a crowd of spectators jumped on my back and nearly killed me!", he recalls humourously. The achievement of the Down team of '68 was hammered before this year's All-Ireland final and the special commemorative occasion brought the memories rushing back for Tom and his team-mates. "It was a lovely day and it was very enjoyable", he says. "As usual All-Ireland final day was a great occasion which was greatly enhanced by Derry winning. I felt that the best team definitely won on the day". Yet another subscriber to the idea that Ulster football has never been healthier.

Not many players who start the All-Ireland final at corner back can claim to have scored two points - and with Down finally winning by only two point those scores couldn't have been more decisive. Down's normal free taker Paddy Doherty had taken one long free which dropped short when Tom decided to take on the responsibility for any further long frees. His first attempt split the posts, his second missed, and his third went over . and the rest, as they say, is history. To this day many people in Down will tell you that, even without taking the two points into consideration, Tom's contribution to Down's third All-Ireland victory was all important. The switch from corner back to centre back to cover Kerry danger man Pat Griffin was a gamble which paid off. If Down were ever going to leave Croke Park with Sam Maguire it was vital that Griffin be kept quiet. For most of the game O'Hare had the unenviable task of watching him and he passed the test with flying colour. The Mayobridge man's intercounty debut was just a distant memory at that stage.

When Tom first pulled on the Red and Black jersey it was a bizarre occasion. "It was a sort of traumatic experience", he recalls. "I played Minor in 1960 and a couple of years later, just after Down had won the All-Ireland, I was brought into the Senior panel. Down were playing the rest of Ulster and I went to the game and the manager handed me the number eleven jersey because James McCartan was injured. When I saw the jersey I thought he had made a mistake and I handled it back to him!", Tom mightn't have been ready but he pulled on the county shirt that day and never looked back. He played exceptionally well in his Senior debut and was a model of consistency for his county over the next decade or so. As well as playing for the Senior team, Tom also performed for the county Minors, Under 21's and Junior, and during his playing days he picked up quite a healthy collection of medals. In '68 Down did the clean sweep, winning both Championship and League. To go with those two prestigious medals Tom also picked up an Ulster Minor medal in 1960, six Ulster titles, three Railway Cup medals and a number of Dr. McKenna Cup honours. After years of performing in the Down jersey with distinction Tom's intercounty playing days came to a close in 1973. One of the last games he played in was the 1973 Ulster final. The opposition was provided by Tyrone and Down were beaten on a scoreline of 3-13 to 1-11. The Mayobridge man was marking Frank McGuigan that day and looking back he concedes that the O'Neill county legend gave him something of a "roasting" that day.

Throughout his playing career Tom O'Hare always managed to stay relatively injury free. The worst injury he picked up was during the 1966 All-Ireland semi final defeat against Meath. "I was going for the ball and Marty O'Sullivan ran into me", he recalls. That particular injury kept the Down man out of action for almost six months. But he bounced back and two years later was in Croke Park collecting his All-Ireland winners medal. There was no way the man often described as the Franz Beckenbour of Gaelic football was going to retire from the game without making his mark - and collecting at least one All-Ireland medal. A real leader on the field of play. O'Hare always used the ball well and he was, without doubt, one of the top players of his era. A member of the Mayobridge club - the first G.A.A. club to be established in Down -Tom spent a couple of years playing for Clonduff in Hilltown when Mayobridge were out of action. Tom represented the club for a total of thirty years, first playing Underage as a fresh-faced thirteen year old. "I first played for the Senior team when I was fifteen and my last game was a reserve Junior final about seven years ago". He explains. "I won a Division 4 and Division Three medals and a Junior Championship until after I retired. I won a Senior League medal with Clonduff though".

It's a long time now since Tom O'Hare played for Down but his exploits in the red and black jersey will never be forgotten in the northern county. And the legacy, as they say, continues -his nephew, Shane McMahon has broken into the Senior county team and lined out for Down's 1993/'94 Church and General National League opener against Donegal. Manager, Peter McGrath is obviously intent to bring in some new blood in an attempt to inject hunger back into his side and reach the same dizzy heights they reached three seasons ago and young McMahon no doubt features in his re-structuring plans. Another nephew of Tom's, Paul O'Hare, played a few League matches for Down in early '91 and as it turned out he would have won an All-Ireland medal had he stuck at it! He no longer plays but Tom remains involved with the Mayobridge club in a big way. He is one of their trustees and he also trains the Under 14 side -to great effect! The Mayobridge Senior team are putting together a good run in the League this year and looked hot favourites to finish top of the pile as we went to press. Married to local Hilltown girl Eileen, Tom is father to six children - Cathy, Padraig, John, Tomas, Bridgeen and Joseph.

Since winning the 1991 All-Ireland Championship Down football has been on something of a low. They didn't even manage to kick off their '93/'94 League campaign in winning fashion. What has gone wrong with Down football since that glorious September day of just over three years ago? Tom O'Hare has his own theory. "They were celebrating too much for a start. The rest of the counties in Ulster wouldn't be that much stronger. There's not a hell of a lot between the top four teams here. To be honest, we were lucky to beat Derry in 1991. At the moment it would be very tight in Ulster Between Donegal, Derry, Down, Tyrone and even Armagh are looking strong. All-Irelands aren't won at this time of year but the manager had to introduce new blood. He has done it and now we're going to have to be patient", explains the Mayobridge man.

What Tom feels is working against the Down team is their lack of big players. "One thing I would find fault with is that there isn't enough physical presence in the team while there are a lot of big mobile men in the Derry and Dublin teams", he observes, years of involvement with the G.A.A. has provided Tom O'Hare with many great friends. Amongst his many close friends would be John Keenan who won three All-Ireland medals with the great Galway three in a row team and Brendan Doyle who used to play club football for Clonduff. For any soccer fans reading. Tom tells us that he is an avid Manchester United supporter and he feels that the Republic of Ireland team "won't have it easy in Belfast". At the end of the day though Tom O'Hare's forte and main area of excellence always was, is and always will be Gaelic football. And aren't the good folk of Down glad of it!


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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 08, 2008, 03:02:56 PM
Paddy O'Rourke
Down's captain fantastic

September 15th, 1991, is a date which will, no doubt, be remembered forever by present and future generations of Down people, for it is on that date that the famed Red and Black will be appearing in the All-Ireland Senior Football Final for the first time in twenty three years. It will be a proud day in the annals of Down GAA history and no Down man will be as proud as the man who will lead them onto the famous Croke Park that day, team captain Paddy O'Rourke.

An All-Ireland Senior Football medal will complete an amazing collection of medals for the Burren Building Contractor. He is already the holder of two Railway Cup medals, a National Football League medal, All-Ireland Minor and Under 21 Football medals and two All-Ireland Club Championship medals. He now has a golden opportunity of adding the most prestigious medal of the lot to his impressive tally.

From an early age, it was clear that Paddy O'Rourke would be an outstanding athlete. Under the expert guidance of the late Sean Murdock, O'Rourke competed in both Gaelic Football and track and field athletics with his native Burren club. He could have made it in either code but chose Gaelic Football. Paddy O'Rourke was an outstanding Juvenile club footballer and his first taste of Championship success carne when he won a Down Minor Football Championship medal at the tender age of fourteen in 1974. This team was incidentally managed by Barney Treanor, who is, of course, a selector with the current Down team. The following year he played on the Burren side which lost to Newry Bosco in the Down Minor Championship Final, but in 1978 he was to add a second Down Minor Championship medal to his collection, captaining the Burren side, which easily defeated Newry Mitchels in the final. In 1976 he also won a Down Under16 Championship medal with Burren.

At school level, too, he was making an impression and he played a significant role in helping St. Mark's of Warrenpoint to win All-Ireland Under 16 Vocational Schools medals in 1975 and 1976. Things were happening very quickly for the young O'Rourke and much more was still to come.

In 1977, the legendary Sean O'Neill, who won an Alllreland Senior Football medal with Down in 1960, 1961 and 1968, took over the mangership of the Down Minor Football team. They progressed to the Ulster final where they met near neighbours Armagh. It took a late Down point to force a draw in the first encounter at Clones, but in the replay a fortnight later in Castleblayney, Down got home by two points, on a 0-11 to 1-6 scoreline. Mayo were accounted for in the All-Ireland semi-final and Paddy O'Rourke had arrived at his first inter-county All-Ireland final.

Down's opponents in that 1977 All-Ireland Minor final were none other than Meath, and the game was played in Croke Park as the curtain raiser to the Dublin V Armagh All-Ireland final. Included on the Meath team that day were Michael McQuillan and Liam Harnan, but even footballers with such great potential as these could not prevent the Mournemen from landing their first ever All-Ireland Minor Football title. It was a proud Down captain John McCartan who lifted the Tom Markham Cup that day, but it was not to be a "Northern Double" as Dublin put paid to Armagh's hopes in the Senior game which followed.

Paddy O'Rourke had the honour of captaining the Down Minor team in 1978, but their Ulster and All-Ireland crowns disappeared as Down lost to Tyrone in the Ulster semi-final. More All-Ireland glory was to come Paddy's way the following year however, when he played centre half back on the Down team which defeated Cork by 1-9 to 0-7 in the All-Ireland Under 21 Football final, also played at headquarters. Indeed, Burren players comprised the Down half back line on that occasion as Paddy O'Rourke was flanked by Gerard Murdock and Brendan McGovern.

Following the defeat by Tyrone in the 1978 Ulster Minor semi-final, Paddy O'Rourke was called into the Down Senior squad by team manager James McCartan. Down proceeded to defeat Cavan in the Ulster final and in the All-Ireland semi-final Down were drawn against the mighty Dubs. Such was the confidence that the Mourne management had in the young O'Rourke, that at half time he was thrown into the full-blooded battle of Senior County Football for the first time in his career. His performance during his thirty five minutes of play clearly earmarked him as a star of the future.

O'Rourke from that day has been a permanent fixture of the Down team, and in 1981 he captured his second Ulster Championship medal playing a leading role on the team which beat Armagh by 3-12 to 1-10, in an action packed final played at Clones. Armagh were again the victims in 1983, when Down won their fourth National Football League title and Paddy O'Rourke collected his first and, to date, only National inter-county award at Senior level. Indeed, that was a real time of celebration for Paddy, as just prior to Down winning that National League title he married Warrenpoint Lady, Una Powderly, and they spent their honeymoon on tour with The Bank of Ireland All Stars in the U.S.A. (Paddy toured as an All-Star replacement).

After winning two Ulster Championship medals in three years, it took Paddy O'Rourke and Down a further ten years to win another one. In 1982, Paddy was elected captain of Down, but, unfortunately, his Championship debut as captain was not a happy one as the Anglo-Celt Cup, which had been received by his club mate and good friend Tommy McGovern the year before, was lost at the first defence, Down succumbed to the challenge of Tyrone.

The remainder of the eighties did not bring much success at county level for Paddy O'Rourke, but he more than compensated for this on the domestic front. The Burren club of the 1980's will be remembered as one of the greatest ever club sides to grace the Gaelic fields of Ireland and Paddy O'Rourke played a monumental role in helping them to achieve this glory. Between 1981 and 1988 inclusive, Burren won seven Down Senior Football Championship titles, five Ulster Club Championship titles and All-Ireland Club titles in 1986 and 1988, the latter having been achieved with victories over Castleisland Desmonds (Kerry) and Clann Na nGael (Roscommon), respectively. Unfortunately, an accident at work - which certainly would have been much more serious but for the combination of Paddy's athletic ability and the prompt actions of a crane driver - ruled the All-Star out of that
1988 All-Ireland Club final, but he as much as anyone had played his part in getting Burren there, and in particular, he will have fond memories of their great semi-final victory over Nemo Rangers in Middleton.

When the father of three - Orla (7), Ciara (3) and Pauric (1) - leads Down onto Croke Park on Sunday, Paddy O'Rourke will have fulfilled a lifetime ambition. "It is a dream come true to play in an All-Ireland final," he said. "Nothing compares to it. In my early day I was blessed ~, with a lot of success and when I won Minor and Under 21 medals, I thought that getting to All-Ireland finals was easy. Now, I know different, but I have learned the hard way. There were times when I thought that this day would never come, but now that it has I can hardly believe it. It's certainly the best thing that has happened to me in my football career. To play in an All-Ireland final is a great honour for any footballer, but to captain that team is a real bonus. I am really looking forward to the game."

Meath will be difficult to beat and Paddy knows it. Time after time this year the Meath team have shown great character in refusing to accept defeat. Having got to the All-Ireland final they will not throw in the towel easily. Paddy O'Rourke knows that nothing, but the best from Down, will be good enough. At the end of the day it will all come down to whichever team adopts best to the occasion, and if it so happens that Peter Quinn becomes the first Ulster GAA President to present the Sam Maguire Cup to a winning Ulster captain, then come Sunday evening Croke Park will belong to Down and to Paddy O'Rourke.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 08, 2008, 03:03:52 PM
DOWN'S AMBROSE ROGERS

As graceful as the South African Springbok, blessed with the vision of a Dutch midfielder and housing the heart of a lion. That's Down's Ambrose Rogers in a nutshell. There are few more animated characters in gaelic games these days. The Longstone utility man is a character alright, easily the most distinctive and arguably the most colourful footballer operating at the very highest level in G.A.A. circles.

It must be said that the Down farmer is a natural born crowd – pleaser, one of a small breed of amateur sports people who can actually make turnstiles click without even stripping off. Long after colleagues Peter Rooney and Colm McAlarney had decided to give the opposing defences a well earned break. Rogers continued to tease, thrill and titillate Gaels across the country. Long before livewires like Mickey Linden and James McCartan began to electrify the crowds, Rogers was causing shockwaves among defensive formations.

For one so frustratingly omitted from the mainstream of things over the last eighteen months, the near 33 year old schemer is still as popular, still as identifiable province-wide as when first he began to strike a chord of appreciation among the purists of the game. Twelve years on from the day he made his debut in a League match against Monaghan, Ambrose Rogers has had every right to feel slightly hard done by as he reaches the twilight of his career. Injuries and not the ravages of time have bedevilled Rogers in his quest of one mighty, lengthy and memorable curtain call. A walk-on role last season, many felt, cheated him of his more rightful central role in the scheme of things. The quality and success of the production justified Peter McGrath's casting however. That said and with all due respect to his blissfully talented attacking colleagues. Rogers is a man for the big stage. A bit-part would suit Laurence Olivier better, one would suggest.

Married to Bronagh (nee Brown) from Hilltown near Clonduff, the versatile Rogers has fitted in surprisingly well in his new found supporting role on the all conquering Down senior side. A lover of the game and a Longstone devotee, the 1981 and 1991 Ulster senior medallist has had no choice but to knuckle down and bide his time in the hottest race for places in the Down team for decades. “I've been working as hard as I've ever done on the training field but with this present Down squad, it's so tough just to maintain your place on the panel”, acknowledged one of the game's most approachable activists.

In light of his recent injury trouble, some would say that Ambrose 'ought to be glad he's reached the stage that he's now on the periphery of first team selection, a recent All Ireland winner and an integral part of the possee hunting for it's second prize catch. He is glad, but luck has had nothing to do with his recovery from an injury suffered last April which had swansong written all over it for the Down veteran.

Playing against Donegal in a National League tie at Newry last April Rogers contested a floated centre but fell awkwardly. His right knee locked, immediately. Stricken years before with cartilage trouble in his other knee, big Ambrose realised the seriousness of the trouble, or at least he thought he did. He never imagined that almost five months of recuperation under the supervision of Irish Rugby team medic Dr.O'Shaughnessy would be his lot. Nor did be ever expect “to enjoy the best year, the best memories I've had with the Down team”. A paradox? Not if one is familiar with the Rogers Psyche.

A product of Saint Columban's Primary School in Kilkeel and now a full-time farmer with 50 acres and another 30 leased, Ambrose hasn't much spare time to think on things that might have been. After his dreadful injury he expresses his gratitude that for two minutes against Kerry and another four in the final against Meath, he had the opportunity to “earn” his one and only All Ireland medal. He had only rejoined the panel after the Ulster final and he faced up to the prospect of a long spell bike-riding. It proved an experience for him. One which was to make his September reward even sweeter. He admits to being a good spectator, a factor which helped him through his agony on the sideline. His club duties broke the monotony, provided a distraction too. They were duties close to his heart anyway. A most loyal servant of Longstone, people will tell you there that on the evening that Down won last year's Ulster final, Rogers was serving tables at the ceile organised in the local hall that night. On the previous Wednesday, he had walked to the same venue from his home two miles away to clear the hall after Bingo, to make way for a playgroup on the following morning. Skilful, enterprising and one of the most intelligent readers of a quick-fire action sequence, he's well-liked in Longstone and further afield. A pleasant character, locals would tell you

Needles to say, he played a key role in his club's progression to this year's County Senior Championship quarter final. His performance as an emerging defender in his side's defeat of Newry Shamrocks was typical of the man. Fielding underneath the crossbar and then delivering a succession of intelligent passes to relieve the situations of danger. It was a display which had all the hallmarks of a double Railway cup medallist and long-time perfectionist of the game of football.

Along with his father Hugh (Club Treasurer for 38 consecutive years now) and brothers Sean and Hugh Lawrence (a County Senior panelist in '78) Ambrose Rogers is very much a True Blue Longstone clubman. As dedicated a servant of the 1982 Division Two League winners as his uncle, Emmet Hughian, another man synonymous in setting up the Down Supporters Club prior to last year's provincial Championship match against Armagh, Emmet has the distinction of lining out with his son Emmet junior in the Longstone colours during the Senior County Championship campaign of 1988. Now assisting team manager Martin Slevin, Emmet describes Ambrose Rogers as “one of the most loyal clubmen that I've ever heard about or known”.

An SDLP Counciller in Newry, Emmet Haughian, former chairman of the South Down Board is still agog at the level of fanaticism and interest generated in Down footballing circles in the aftermath of the County's 1991 All Ireland success. “Before last year the kids around the County would have a lot of soccer stars for idols” Now it's men like Ambrose Rogers. Paddy O'Rourke and Mickey Linden that they all want to be seen with”, remarked the long time club secretary who still enjoys recalling the celebrations which took place in Portmarnock, Dublin among some two thousand people on the night of last year's All Ireland final.

As the fundraising and underlying support for the Down team garnered by men like Emmet Haughian has grown, Ambrose Rogers believes that the current Down panel has grown in stature in leaps and bounds. The money raised by Emmet and Co. in the Supporters Club has been well spent. Booklets printed, daces organised, membership cards sold have all contributed to the business of raising standards all round in Down G.A.A. circles. A sort of semi professional approach is Rogers is one player who feels “it is inevitable and a good thing as long as there's no rip-off along the way”.

An All Ireland minor Championship winning medallist alongside fellow survivors Pat Donnan and Paddy O'Rourke, the 6 feet 2 inches and 13 stone sure-footed marksman shares with the clans of the Haughians, the Treanor's and the Burdens, a great family G.A.A. tradition in Longstone. Ambrose's uncle John represented his county and club with distinction in the early sixties and he and his brother Hugh Lawrence formed integral parts of the Longstone team beaten by a Tommy McGovern – powered Buren side in the County Championship final in 1986. Ambrose Rogers has a good pedigree alright. He's a thoroughbred, that's for sure.

Comparing the current Down team with the county provincial winning side of 1981. Ambrose firmly believes that the 1992 model has a better pedigree. He even goes as far as to suggest that this year's panel is stronger than last year's unit. With fully fit operatives like Austin, Donnan and Rogers in the wings, the point is well- founded but still not in any way subjective. As for winning back-to-back All Ireland's the self admitted “late developer” and 'erstwhile double provincial under 21 medalist, believes that the Down set-up are looking no further than Ulster at present

“Sure the squad have ambition and the hunger to win this year again, but it's to win the Ulster Championship semi final. Any other talk of hunger is in the minds of the media. It's not part of the players thinking at the minute”, explained the maker and executioner of some of the best scores seen over the last decade and more. Curiously, when pressed, Ambrose admits that he personally thought that 1990 would have heralded the Down breakthrough. Injuries to messrs. O'Rourke, Blayney and Kane against Armagh that year, he added, put a spanner in the works though.

Twelve years on from his emergence on the inter-county scene and twenty-four years on from the never-to-be forgotten Down All Ireland win in 1968, Ambrose Rogers is a veritable colossus among his people in tiny Longstone. A hero to all men and a model sportsman to all impersonators. He remembers specifically waiting for five hours in Newcastle to catch a glimpse of the returning 1968 heroes, men like Colm McAlarney and Danny Kelly, of whom he managed to catch a glimpse of as they descended from the team bus. The memory is still fixed in his mind. It was an inspiration. Just like 33 year old Ambrose Rogers!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 08, 2008, 03:04:37 PM
JOHN “ SHORTY “ TREANOR

A DISTINGUISHED CAREER WITH DOWN AND BURREN

Can he inspire the Mourne Champs to a sixth Ulster Title?

One of the best known names in Gaelic football circles over the past ten years or so is that of John “Shorty” Treanor. The twenty-nine year old star has had a distinguished career at both club and county level and he has had a trophy cabinet filled to overflowing to prove it.

From an early age it was clear that John Treanor was destined to be a footballer of top class proportions. As a youngster he was so good that he benefited little from playing with kids of his own age group. Hence, he played with the older boys but, of course, he was much smaller than them so they called him “Shorty.” The name has stuck with him ever since and indeed he is much better known as “Shorty” than John.

Years later “Shorty Treanor is still outclassing his peers. Only last week a local sports journalist had this to write following Burren's 1- 14 to 0 –2 annihilation of great rivals Downpatrick in a top of the table League clash. “More than 1,500 crowded into Dunleath Park to watch and anticipated thriller with the First Division Title at stake. They saw no thriller but at least the neutrals can console themselves that they witnessed one of the very special individual performances of the year. Fifteen minutes of “Shorty” brilliance was all it took to flush away Downpatrick's ambitions of retaining that League title. In that fifteen minute spell midway through the first half “Shorty” ran riot scoring 1-5, his goal coming when he retrieved a seemingly hopeless ball close to the sideline before beating three defenders and shooting an unstoppable shot to the net from the tightest of angles. When John Treanor is on form he is a treat to watch and this eel-like livewire is virtually impossible to mark, as he plays in no defined position and covers virtually every blade of grass on the park. This was one such occasion

Before he had reached the age of sixteen John “Shorty” Treanor was the proud possessor of three All – Ireland medals. He won those medals at Vocational Schools level with St.Mark's, Warrenpoint and among the other well known names to have such medals in their collection are clubmates Paddy O'Rourke and Brendan McGovern.

“Shorty” has represented Down at Under 16, Minor, Under 21 and Senior Football Championship medals. This came after an epic tussle with near neighbours Saval with Burren winning out in extra time in a reply. From 1983 to 1988 inclusive the “Burren Machine” won a record six consecutive Down Senor Football Championship titles with “Shorty” Treanor playing an instrumental role in many of those successes. Indeed, in the Championship Finals of 1986 and 1987 when Burren defeated Longstone and Bryansford respectively, “Shorty” won the Man of the Match Award for his outstanding performances in those finals. A further Down Senior Football Championship medal followed in 1992

Apart from his collection of Down (and, of course, Ulster and All-Ireland) Club medals, “Shorty” also has a couple of other Championship medals in his collection. Like many other well known footballers, “Shorty” has spent a number of summers playing in the U.S.A. and on one such period during the mid-eighties he won both Chicago and North American Board Championship medals while playing with the Wolfe Tones Club in Chicago.

Burren's record in Ulster is second to none. Every year they have annexed the Down crown they have at least reached the final of the Ulster decider. No other Down club with the exception of Bryansford in 1970 and 1971 have ever played in an Ulster Club Final. Burren's first Ulster Final appearance was in the final. Burren's first Ulster Final appearance was in 1981. They defeated Antrim champions St. John's in a gripping semi final at Corrigan Park but they had to wait almost five months for the final to be played and unable to repeat their early campaign form Burren lost out to Ballinderry (Derry) in the decider.

Two years later it was a happier story for Burren. A point in the last minute earned Burren a replay against defending champions St. Galls (Antrim) and second time around Burren made no mistake thanks to a Tony McArdle goal midway through the second half which set Burren up for a famous 1-5 to 0-6 victory. That day was a day of ”mixed” emotions for “Shorty” as he was sent off by referee Damien Campbell for a second personal foul during that match.

The Down champions proceeded to win three Ulster titles on the trot and following that third success went all the way to the ultimate glory. On a bitter cold February day at O'Moore Park, Portlaoise, the Down and Ulster Champions completely outclassed their illustrious Leinster opponents and defeated Portlaoise by a whopping 2-13 to 0-6 final scoreline. Sunday 16th March 1986 is red letter day in the history of the G.A.A. in Burren. On that day on the famous Croke Park sward they won the first of their two All-Ireland Club titles and brought the Andy Merrigan Cup to County Down for the first time.

Like their first Ulster Club title success Burren defeated the reigning champions in the final. Kerry and Munster champions Castleisland Desmonds were Burren's opponents on that famous 1986 day and inspired by Captain Tommy McGovern, Burren turned in a memorable performance winning by four points, 1-9 to 1-5. Burren's goal came in the eighth minute of the second half and was scored by none other than John “Shorty” Treanor. It was a goal right out of the handbook of classic goals, a scorcher from twenty meters which left the Castleisland Desmonds goalkeeper Charlie Nelligan helpless on his goal line.

Two years later Burren won the Andy Merrigan Cup for a second time, Clann na nGael at Roscommon being their victims in the final. The loss of Paddy O'Rourke only inspired Burren to greater things though midway through the second half the sides were level with Burren playing into a strong wind. The character of the Burren team however, shone through and four late points won the day, one of them coming from an excellent long range free by John Treanor. The following year Clan na nGael got their revenge however. Burren had just won a record fifth Ulster Club title and were drawn to play the Connaught Champions in the All-Ireland semi-final. The game was played at St. Mary's Park, Burren but from the midpoint of the first half playing conditions became almost impossible. However, in almost blizzard conditions both teams served up a memorable game of football, in the end the Westerners winning through on a 1-6 to 1-5 scoreline.

On Sunday Burren go for their sixth Ulster Club Championship success. Standing in the way of them are the Derry Champions Lavey, who won the All-Ireland Club title the year before last. This indeed, is the Battle of the Giants of Ulster Football, the All-Ireland champions of 1986 and 1988 playing the All-Ireland champions of 1991.

John Treanor agrees that while many of the great Burren names of the eighties like Tommy McConvile have retired that some of the young Burren stars are showing the enthusiasm and character necessary to gain success at the highest level. Players like Jimmy McAlinden and Gavin Murdock have been tormenting defences all season with their great scoring ability – Jimmy for example scored 2-5 against Newry Bosco in the Down Championship semi final – while young half back Garret McFerran has been playing “out of his skin” all season. The twenty year old teaching training student who attends St. Mary, Belfast was voted “ Man of the Match” in this year's Down Championship Final and only last weekend won the prestigious South Down Footballer of the Year Award.

In both their Ulster Club Championship games to date Burren have looked most impressive. In their first outing at Casement Park they were always in complete control against Antrim champions Lamh Dearg and recorded a convincing thirteen point victory. They found the challenge of Scotstown (Monaghan) in the semi final a much more difficult assignment but with John Treanor once more in scintillating form, the Monaghan men finally had to bow out to the free flowing Burren men. Treanor scored a person tally of 2-3 on that occasion, his goal coming from a first half free from all of forty metres and a second half penalty.

Lavey will be formidable opponents for Burren in Sunday's Ulster decider at the Athletic Grounds Armagh. They may have struggled for spells in their encounters against Ramor United (Cavan), Moortown (Tyrone) and Killybegs (Donegal), but they have reached the final on merit. Spearheaded by Henry and Seamus Downey and John and Colm McGurk they are a team who play the game in an uncompromising manner but with a lot of skill and precision. Having won the All-Ireland Club title twenty months ago, they know they have the ability to not only defeat Burren but to go on the lift a second All – Ireland

But will they? The answer to that might well lie with one John “Shorty” Treanor, who incidentally is a son of current Down Selector and former intercounty referee Barney. If Lavey curtail “Shorty” on Sunday they might well go a long way to dash Burren's dreams of a sixth Ulster title. If however, “Shorty” is on song, then the chances are that Seamus McFerran Cup will be back in Burren on Sunday night and that Burren will be on the plane to London to play Tir Connail Gaels on 6th December

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 08, 2008, 03:33:34 PM
Some great players there.  Its a pity Shorty and Pete couldn't have patched things up in 91.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 08, 2008, 03:40:03 PM
Anyone hear that Ross got his suspension over turned?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 08, 2008, 04:30:38 PM
Good stuff T O'Hare. Where did you get all this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on May 08, 2008, 04:41:38 PM
Tom has nothing better to do, he should do something productive with his time and quit daydreaming about how his own footballing career passed him by while he was down factory lane or out the back of the downshire hotel in hilltown with young girls gettin up to all sorts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 08, 2008, 04:43:09 PM
Found it on the Hoganstand.com/down site under Gaa immortals!
Aidan, where did you hear that rumour, Grants? :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 08, 2008, 04:44:40 PM
Jesus, take it someone does nt like me :D factory lane, oh the memories ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on May 08, 2008, 04:49:06 PM
Every1 loves you, we were just jealous of your womanising ways :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 08, 2008, 05:29:33 PM
Someone texted me with the news asking did I hear anything.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 08, 2008, 09:01:01 PM
any scores yet from tonights matches?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 08, 2008, 09:04:27 PM
Carryduff beat Drumgath comfortably-dont know the actual score
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on May 08, 2008, 09:39:22 PM
Attical bt Downpatrick by 4/5. Downpatrick rooted to bottom with no wins from 4.
Pete Brannigan had a stormer for Attical!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 08, 2008, 09:43:34 PM
Bridge 2-12 Stone 1-10
Rostrevor 2-10 Kilcoo 2-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on May 08, 2008, 10:04:16 PM
Bryansford 1-17 Darragh Cross 0-5

Clan na Bana beat Dundrum by 11 points

Ballyholland beat Lietrim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 08, 2008, 10:14:04 PM
ACFL Div1
Ballyholland 2.08 Liatroim 0.12
Castlewellan 1.14 Loughinisland 1.10
Mayobridge 2.12 Longstone 1.10
Rostrevor 2.11 Kilcoo 2.11
Burren 2.11 Saval 0.10
An Riocht 1.11 Clonduff 1.13

ACFL Div 2
Ballymartin 1.09 Annaclone 0.11
Kilclief 0.12 Shamrocks 3.10
Downpatrick 1.04 Attical 0.12
Tullylish 1.10 Warrenpoint 1.12
Dundrum 1.08 Clanna na Banna 3.12
Bryansford 1.17 Darragh Cross 0.05

ACFL Div 3
Saul 1.11 St Pauls 0.07
Bosco 2.06 Drumaness 1.12
Carryduff 0.15 Drumgath 0.07
Glasdrumman 2.15 Mitchels 0.06
Ardglass 2.07 St Michaels 0.13

ACFL Div 4 Bright 4.17 Aughlisnafinn 1.12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 08, 2008, 11:15:16 PM
Bad night for Loughinisland, Castlewellan worthy winners having played any football that was in it. More skill on show during the H.T. under 8 game which was very entertaining
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 09, 2008, 12:14:52 AM
Div one table 08.05.08 
Teams          P   W   D   L   Pts  SD
1  Mayobridge   4   4      0   0   8     21
2  Burren         4   3      0   1   6      11
3  Clonduff         4   3     0   1   6       2
4  Loughinisland 4   3   0   1   6     2
5  Kilcoo           4   2   1   1   5   24
6  Saval            4   1   2   1   4       -4
7  Castlewellan  4   1      1   2   3       -4
8  Ballyholland   4   1      1   2   3       -5
9  Rostrevor     4   1      1   2   3     -5
10 Liatriom         4   1      0   3   2       -2
11 Longstone   4   1      0   3   2       -9
12 An Riocht    4   0    0   4   0     -31
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 09, 2008, 07:22:26 AM
An Riocht still without a win - are they about to become the ultimate yoyo team? Div 2 winners 06, Div 1 winners 07, relegated 08.
Another win for Banbridge! Great start for them. What's going on in Banbridge? Div 3 looks wide open.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on May 09, 2008, 07:58:28 AM
Whats happening in Kilclief No 1 ???
Not looking good for the east down clubs in div 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 09, 2008, 10:08:57 AM
  We're in big trouble Off the Laces.  It's hard to put the finger on exactly what has gone wrong. 

  Rosie walked away a couple of nights before the Banbridge match and was only back last night.  Ricky Kerr looks burnt out and every other team we have played so far looked far sharper and fitter.

  Things have gone very stale and it will be very difficult to lift ourselves out of the rut we are in.

  Dee Rafferty was absolutely flying for the Shams last night, Ross has gotta find a spot for him for the Tyrone game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 09, 2008, 01:23:14 PM
The bridge were always in control last night, Brendan Grant was great at full-back, snuffing out the threat of Ryan Kelly,Mickey Walsh picked up break ball after break ball on the forty,Benny played at 12 and acored 2.2, when he is coming onto the ball he is unstoppable, his second goal was scored with three stone men hanging off him, If your reading this Ross take note!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 09, 2008, 01:57:08 PM
harps hung on for a win last night despite being 8 points up at one stage - the fear of losing from a winning position seems to be the problem as it was the same story v saval and v clonduff. harps should be sitting on 6 points now and will no doubt rue the points dropped at end of the season

one thing that is clear is that so far we dont look out of our depth and i think that says a lot about the standard in down football right now - 3 or 4 teams in div2 would hold their own in div1 at the minute....

ps. one interesting point - the ref last night let almost everything go, and on a number of occasions when fellas complained about tackles, he remarked "this is whats wrong with the senior team - they cant take a tackle!" fair point and i agree that all refs should be letting more physical go in games - it would certainly help our football i think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on May 09, 2008, 02:06:01 PM
Who was the ref gy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 09, 2008, 02:32:36 PM
thought p murphy was a very lucky man last night, granted it wasnt intentional, he is in no way a dirty player, and ye could see he was very sorry but it was an awful challenge!!!!!!(otherwise thought the ref was very good!)

good win for the harps, liatroim again letting the game away from them before they decide to play any, 1st goal was a joke, side line ball bout 30yrds out bounced in the square into the roof of the net no one taking charge in there second wasnt much better defence let ballyholland walk through them in the 1st half and roney esp was unstoppable, think the defence tighting up and working hard n the second half had a lot to do with liatroim getting back in to it, though just wasn't enough!

would look at it as one that got away and its 2 pts that come the end of the season we would have been glad off to stay clear of relegation. though dosnt work out that way..

first time iv been up at ballyholland too, good set up and a quare stand fair play..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 09, 2008, 02:50:50 PM
Interesting point GoldenYears about the difference between Div2 and Div1.   I would class the Ford as a proper Division 1 team and should never have let themselves get relegated last year.  Anyway they seem to be dishing out a good few hidings in Div2, I'm missing one of their results below but you get the idea.  Attical and the Shamrocks would have been two of the stronger teams I'd have thought and they were beaten fairly well.

Bryansford 1.17 Darragh Cross 0.05
Shamrocks 2 02 Bryansford 0 14
Bryansford 0 17 Attical 2 05

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Post by: buglebhoy on May 09, 2008, 03:54:20 PM
Good win for the harps last night, got off to a really good start with 2 goals in first 10-15 mins!! Liam Doyle was a handful as was murtagh.

Murph prob should have got the line but clearly didnt mean it. 2 foot challenge on a boy going down to pick the ball up, the sort of tackle that would have been talked about for half hour on motd.

Harps held on from serious pressure and won ugly in the end!! 2 points is 2 points!!
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Post by: ExiledGael on May 09, 2008, 04:01:02 PM
Quote from: buglebhoy on May 09, 2008, 03:54:20 PM
Good win for the harps last night, got off to a really good start with 2 goals in first 10-15 mins!! Liam Doyle was a handful as was murtagh.

Murph prob should have got the line but clearly didnt mean it. 2 foot challenge on a boy going down to pick the ball up, the sort of tackle that would have been talked about for half hour on motd.

Harps held on from serious pressure and won ugly in the end!! 2 points is 2 points!!

Obviously didn't see the challenge last night, but every game I've attended this year I have seen really dangerous examples of players going in with the boot on others trying to pick the ball up legally. Refs seem to take very little action and it won't be long before someone gets seriously injured by this cowardly type of play, broken hand etc. Needs to be stamped out and refs to favour the player trying to pick the ball up.
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Post by: goldenyears on May 09, 2008, 04:09:25 PM
ref was a fella called n.cousins (is it neil?) - i think he is from the mournes. I thought he gave Liatroim alot of handy frees and seemed to want to bring them back into the game. in saying that i enjoyed the fact that you could talk to him and he would converse explaining decisions etc, makes for a much better ref in my book.

bad tackle from murf alright; made a lunge with his foot and it was a good job the lad jumped up out of the way; looked worse than it was but could have been v bad. rony & doyler were the pick of the bunch on show. liatroim could struggle without doyle as i didnt see v many match winners otherwise; and i think the whole "lets be physical and get stuck in" only brings you so far

lfdown2, did you get in for tea & sandwiches? the harps have been doing it for 4 or 5 yrs now but it seems our brethren in other div1 clubs dont do it anymore?? v little hospitality on show! and yes we're v proud of the stand! ;)
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Post by: amallon on May 09, 2008, 04:20:12 PM
Is there a story behind the stand in Ballyholland?  Was it bought from a soccer club in England or something?
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Post by: goldenyears on May 09, 2008, 04:43:25 PM
thats right amallon - we have an ex player who does the whole salvage business thing, spotted an opportunity to buy the stand on the cheap - the cmte bought it about 7/8 yrs ago and it lay in a heap behind the bank for years!

then we had an injection of new blood in the cmte and they decided to give it a rattle. it was almost sold to killeavy i believe, but glad they persevered. it really looks the part and was funded privately thru club members & sponsors. almost next to nothing i hear from GAA or grants.....joke really when you see sacair clubs (and other sports) getting facilities paid for everywhere!! >:(
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Post by: 5 Sams on May 09, 2008, 04:46:35 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 09, 2008, 04:20:12 PM
Is there a story behind the stand in Ballyholland?  Was it bought from a soccer club in England or something?


One of our members was in England and saw that a soccer club in Runcorn were taking the stand down. He phoned our chairman at the time to see if we wanted to buy it...the decision was made to buy it and it was shipped home there and then. That was the cheap part however........we decided to put it up last year and a couple of the club members in the building trade took the bull by the horns and drove the project forward. It has cost the club an absolute fortune to put up. There was a serious amount of concrete involved and the seats were bought brand new. It is now a fairly comfortable 700 seater....big enough for our purposes and it might get us one or two high profile games in the championship.
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Post by: T O Hare on May 09, 2008, 04:48:28 PM
Totally agre with you goldenyears.. it seems everyone else can get massive grants except Gaa clubs, every week you look in the paper you see soccer clubs in kilkeel or rathfriland/dromore getting lottery grants!
its a great stand but freezing at times :)
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Post by: 5 Sams on May 09, 2008, 04:51:31 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 09, 2008, 04:48:28 PM
Totally agre with you goldenyears.. it seems everyone else can get massive grants except Gaa clubs, every week you look in the paper you see soccer clubs in kilkeel or rathfriland/dromore getting lottery grants!
its a great stand but freezing at times :)

It might be cold but at least you wont get wet!!

On the grants front....we'll get 5k Euro from the Ulster Council after I dont know....you hear about all the money being made at Croke Park being invested in the grass roots...what I want to know is where do you apply??? Anyone any ideas???
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Post by: amallon on May 09, 2008, 05:01:43 PM
Good work to all involved.  I'm looking forward to getting to Ballyholland.  A roof, seats, tea, sandwiches and two points what more could we ask for!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 09, 2008, 05:03:49 PM
Who needs Croke Park hospitality when you have Ballyholand Harps  :D
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 09, 2008, 05:07:55 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 09, 2008, 05:01:43 PM
Good work to all involved.  I'm looking forward to getting to Ballyholland.  A roof, seats, tea, sandwiches and two points what more could we ask for!


Aidan,
You should really work on your spelling....it's two PINTS....there's no "O" in it. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 09, 2008, 05:20:46 PM
Free pints too, thats just too generous!  :D

Anyone hear about this wonder kid Saval have?  Faloon.  He is supposed to have scored a real wonder goal against Longstone.  He's supposed to be the real deal.  Is he that good?
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Post by: stiff breeze on May 09, 2008, 05:34:47 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 09, 2008, 05:20:46 PM
Free pints too, thats just too generous!  :D

Anyone hear about this wonder kid Saval have?  Faloon.  He is supposed to have scored a real wonder goal against Longstone.  He's supposed to be the real deal.  Is he that good?

Have seen him play underage on a number of occasions , think he is still a minor. He is a very talented footballer no doubt about it. He is in the same cut as hughes was at that age only taller. one of his let downs is that he is very light but he is very quick and therefore gets alot of frees. Has a bit of an attitude but hopoefully as he is with a div1 side that can be stomped out of him. Definately one for the future. from what i ve heard johny hughes and cathal donnelly are playin brilliant stuff this year surely could do with a chance for the county, especially donnelly.
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Post by: amallon on May 09, 2008, 10:16:22 PM
Highlights of the Bridge v Stone game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrlVloGABfw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrlVloGABfw)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 10, 2008, 05:28:32 AM
Division 2 seems to got off to a blistering enough start. Bryansford are going to have a very boring League campaign. They will wipe the floor with everyone and should be definites for promotion. Ballymartin should be knocking around there after a fine start. Banbridge continue to surprise while Annaclone and Atticall have had shaky enough beginnings. Kilclief, Shamrocks and Warrenpoint dont look to have improved much from last year while Darragh Cross have looked to step it up another notch. Downpatrick have had a nightmare start but I see that they are investing in youth. They may come good yet.
Ourselves and Tullylish seem to be struggling a bit. More so ourselves. We have lost three out of three (1-15 to 1-08 against Ballymartin, 1-14 to 0-14 against Atticall and 3-12 to 1-09 against Banbridge). I suppose it will take time to get adjusted to the tempo of Division 2 football.
PS.When is the next set of Starred fixtures scheduled for?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on May 10, 2008, 02:10:49 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 09, 2008, 05:34:47 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 09, 2008, 05:20:46 PM
Free pints too, thats just too generous!  :D

Anyone hear about this wonder kid Saval have?  Faloon.  He is supposed to have scored a real wonder goal against Longstone.  He's supposed to be the real deal.  Is he that good?

Have seen him play underage on a number of occasions , think he is still a minor. He is a very talented footballer no doubt about it. He is in the same cut as hughes was at that age only taller. one of his let downs is that he is very light but he is very quick and therefore gets alot of frees. Has a bit of an attitude but hopoefully as he is with a div1 side that can be stomped out of him. Definately one for the future. from what i ve heard johny hughes and cathal donnelly are playin brilliant stuff this year surely could do with a chance for the county, especially donnelly.


i don't thonk cathal would be fit for county football, from what i hear he's hanging the boots up soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on May 10, 2008, 03:02:14 PM
Could the Ballyholland posters tell me if Rory Mulvaney has joined yous from Bosco?  If so how is he getting on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on May 10, 2008, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: southdown on May 10, 2008, 03:02:14 PM
Could the Ballyholland posters tell me if Rory Mulvaney has joined yous from Bosco?  If so how is he getting on

i can't understand why someone would move from one newry club to another newry club!! :)
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Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 10, 2008, 06:51:58 PM
I heard both Rory and his wee bro Niall moved to Ballyholland....

Plus in response to the person saying bout McAreavey and Mccartan in the monaghan match, eyah that was a mix up, johnm started wing forward and scored one point, heard from the horses mouth.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on May 10, 2008, 08:13:17 PM
Dromara 1.6 St Johns 3.11 from Friday nights game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 11, 2008, 02:33:39 AM
Has no-one any comment to make re. the Co. Board paying £ 400,000 for a piece of land without even outline planning permission. Or the fact that the same piece of land is now worth much less due to fallen prices. I would have thought that such clever, bold, forward thinking iniatitive by our administrators was worthy of some recognition and applause. After all its not easy being so stupid, but they have perfected the art.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on May 11, 2008, 12:56:01 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on May 11, 2008, 02:33:39 AM
Has no-one any comment to make re. the Co. Board paying £ 400,000 for a piece of land without even outline planning permission. Or the fact that the same piece of land is now worth much less due to fallen prices. I would have thought that such clever, bold, forward thinking iniatitive by our administrators was worthy of some recognition and applause. After all its not easy being so stupid, but they have perfected the art.

I don't think this is anything to lambast the county bpard about. Planning pernmission will be got. As for the price, who would have had the foresight to see what had now happened and that includes all the developers who were paying top dollar for sites all over the place.
I would be more concerned about the appointment of a full time secretary to the county at salary of @ £44k. This has been kept very low on the radar to avoid obvious concerns.
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Post by: amallon on May 11, 2008, 02:11:44 PM
Where is the ground thats been bought?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on May 11, 2008, 04:05:37 PM
Is it the land in Bryansford?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on May 11, 2008, 04:45:10 PM
Yes seemingly its the land around Burrenbridge still in Bryansofrd parish/catchment area
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 11, 2008, 09:05:06 PM
Tues 13th May 7 30
ACHL Div 1
Portaferry v Ballycran
Shamrocks v Ballygalget
Bredagh v Liatroim
Kilclief v Ballela
ACHL Div 2
Warrenpoint v Ballycran
Castlewellan v Ballyvarley
Ballygalget v Portaferry
Friday 16th May 7 30
ACFL Div 1
Kilcoo v Longstone(C Brannigan)
Saval v Rostrevor(L Morgan)
Clonduff v Burren(G Corrigan)
Liatroim v An Riocht(D Laverty)
Loughinisland v Ballyholland(N Morgan)
Mayobridge v Castlewellan(D Brogan)
ACFL Div 2
Warrenpoint v Downpatrick(M Devlin)
Clanna na Banna v Tullylish(E O Hare)
Daragh Cross v Dundrum(J Killen)
Ballymartin v Bryansford(A Grant)
Shamrocks v Annaclone(P Brannigan)
Attical v Kilclief(N Cousins)
ACFL Div 3
St Pauls v Teconnaught(E Mulvenna)
Drumaness v Saul(P O Rielly)
Drumgath v Bosco(B Rice)
Mitchels v Carryduff(P Preece)
St Micheals v Glasdrumman(D Moore)
Bredagh v Ardglass(G Tumelty)
ACFL Div 4
Aghaderg v Bright(L Smyth)
Ballykinlar v St Johns(P Mc Clorey)
Aughlisnafinn v Dromara(G Brannigan)
Sunday 18th May 2 00
Series 8
Div1
An Riocht v Castlewellan
Burren v Liatroim
Downpatrick v Bryansford
Rostrevor v Mayobridge
Kilcoo v Clonduff
Div 2
Bredagh v Longstone
Carryduff v Ballymartin
Annaclone v Kliclief
Saval v Warrenpoint
Tullylish v Loughinisland

Note the changes to the ACPRL from the original fixtures posted here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 12, 2008, 09:21:44 AM
PangurBan - I'd imagine there is bound to be a clause in the deal that if planning isn't recieved then the deal is off.  Tesco bought Newcastle at a bad time too, even though they are one of the biggest companies in the UK and are bound to have some real bright sparks working for them who maybe should have seen the property crash coming. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on May 12, 2008, 11:34:03 AM
Idle and inaccurate speculation based on a misinformed article in a Sunday paper is no proper basis for assessing the rights and wrongs of the land deal. I'd rather vse the facts from a relaible source.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 12, 2008, 12:17:55 PM
the mulvaney's have been training with ballyholland but no transfer through yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 12, 2008, 01:22:09 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 12, 2008, 09:21:44 AM
PangurBan - I'd imagine there is bound to be a clause in the deal that if planning isn't recieved then the deal is off.  Tesco bought Newcastle at a bad time too, even though they are one of the biggest companies in the UK and are bound to have some real bright sparks working for them who maybe should have seen the property crash coming. 

Lets clear this up;
The ground has a deposit paid on it alright.
All (easements) legal fees / roadservice works etc are accountable by County Board.
Newcastle hasnt been sold or even put on the market yet.
When and only when Bryansford have planning permission will Newcastle be put on the Market.
Bryansford will leave Newcastle only when their new home is turn key - realistic date is 2011


The paper report is pure speculation as the planning was only submitted three weeks prior to the report.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 12, 2008, 08:44:53 PM
Bredagh beat Glenn 0-7 to 0-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on May 12, 2008, 09:12:23 PM
Div 3
Glenn 0-07 Bredagh 1-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on May 12, 2008, 09:36:48 PM
any word on Drumaness v Ardglass?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 12, 2008, 10:54:53 PM
Ardglass bt Drumaness by 6
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Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 12, 2008, 11:09:26 PM
Div 3            P   W   D   L   Pts   PtsLost
Ardglass      8   6   1   1   13     3
G'drumman   8       6        1        1       13         3
Bredagh        7        5        1       1      11        3
Carryduff      7       5   0   2      10        4
Drumgath     7       4         1         2         9          5
Drumaness    8       4         0         4         8          8
Saul             7      4     0      3     8      6
Glenn           8   2    2    4    6   10
St Pauls   8   2    2    4    6   10
Bosco           7   2    0    5   4   10
Mitchels   7   1   2   4   4   10
St Micheals    7       1       2       4       4       10
T'aught          7       1       0       6       2        12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 12, 2008, 11:10:48 PM
That didn't work too well did it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 13, 2008, 11:47:45 AM
anyone know where you could get ur hands on underage championship fixtures on the net?


found it, should have looked first!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 13, 2008, 12:06:11 PM
Where did you get the underage championship fixtures IfDown? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 13, 2008, 12:15:07 PM
only the east down ones are on the down website and just because they are next week, for some reason the website does the full wks fixture ie tue to tue instead of tue to mon!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 13, 2008, 01:00:27 PM
Messy Gael,

Thanks for sorting my messy table for me.  How did you do this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on May 13, 2008, 01:19:23 PM
I heard recently that winner takes all in Division 4 this year with the top team being the only one promoted. If so then only 2 teams will be relegated from dividion 3 to leave it as a 12 team league again for next season but still nothing concrete on this as yet from the CB?

Also, have the final dates for the championship been confirmed yet? There was a possible date in June mentioned for the first round but will this be what's happening or can we expect it in August as usual??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on May 13, 2008, 01:29:07 PM
Tommy, Mayobridge werent that good.  Did you look at the team sheet to see how many Longstone players we had missing from last year? We are killed with injuries.  All in good time, all in good time.
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Post by: T O Hare on May 13, 2008, 02:14:14 PM
Is fairness miss mess you's had a lot of injuries and both Bennys goals were a result of poor defending and goalkeeping... you's will be challenging at the end of the year.. were the players really injured are were you's holding them back for the sevens ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 13, 2008, 02:52:37 PM
Tommy - You are getting some abuse at the Clonduff X Factor auditions.  Did you see youtube yet?  You're real popular over the road.  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 13, 2008, 03:35:26 PM
after everything my father done for their club too :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 13, 2008, 10:23:27 PM
ACHL Div1

Kilclief 2.11 Ballela 2.15

We were leading 0.3 to 0.11 midway through the first half then kilclief got a man sent off for 2 yellows, for two bad strokes. We then fell apart, lead 0.6 to 0.11 at half time and 15min into the second half kilclief lead by a point. We then regrouped to pull away with 5 to go.

Classic line from one one the kilclief midfielders

Kilcief man: "Whats the score ref!?"
Ref: "2.9 to 1.12"
Kilclief man: "Who to!???"

:D Must been the sea air!
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Post by: Lecale2 on May 13, 2008, 10:25:17 PM
Hurling results from tonight.

Div 1
Shamrocks 3-13 Ballygalget 2-13
Ballela 2-15 Kilclief 1-12
Bredagh v Liatroim postponed.

Div 2
Warrenpoint 0-13 Ballycran 1-10
Castlewellan lost to Ballyvarley by 4 pts.

Any others? Whitehair must be out celebrating another good result for Ballela.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 13, 2008, 10:36:00 PM
Eh not quite, not for the want of trying though! Changed times when we pass Maginns or The Castle in Castlewellan and I cant get the lads to stop for a few!...Must be the price of diesel or something.
BTW I think the score I put up's the right result. ??? Thought Newry would have beaten Ballygalget. Not too sure if it was in Derrylecka or not but the small Derrylecka pitch suits them, Big Courtney and Eoin Mc Guinness up the middle. Simple but effective game plan!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 13, 2008, 11:06:13 PM
Aye. Im sure your score is correct. I got the scores on the mobile at 70 mph on the M1 so I couldnt write them down. The Newry game was played in the Marshes and Courtney was excellent. Very little got past him at CHB and he ran 70 yds with the ball on his stick so score a fine goal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 13, 2008, 11:18:37 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 13, 2008, 12:06:11 PM
Where did you get the underage championship fixtures IfDown? 


Coiste Dheisceart An Duin
U14 Championship 2008

Preliminary Round

A      Glasdrumman  v  Shamrocks               Thurs 22 May
B      Longstone        v  Clann na Banna      Thurs 22 May
C      Drumgath         v  St. Colmans         Thurs 22 May
D      Annaderg         v  Ballyholland        Thurs 22 May

First Round

1      Winner D    v    Burren         Mon 2 June
2      Winner C    v    Rostrevor      Mon 2 June
3      Winner B    v    Bosco          Mon 2 June
4      Atticall    v    Clonduff       Thurs 22 May
5      Winner A    v    Glenn          Mon 2 June
6      Saval       v    Mayobridge     Thurs 22 May
7      Ballymartin  v   An Riocht      Thurs 22 May
8      Mitchels      v    Warrenpoint  Thurs 22 May


Coiste Dheisceart An Duin
U16 Championship 2008

Preliminary Round

A      An Riocht    v    Longstone     Tues 20 May
B      Annaderg    v    Mayobridge     Tues 20 May

First Round

1      Saval           v     Burren      Tuesday 20 May
2      Atticall        v     Rostrevor   Tuesday 20 May
3      Winner A        v     Clonduff    Sat 31 May
4      Ballymartin     v     Glenn       Tuesday 20 May
5      Winner B        v     Bosco       Sat 31 may
6      Drumgath        v     Rostrevor   Tuesday 20 May
7      St. Colmans     v     Ballyholland      Tuesday 20 May
8      Clann na Banna    v    Warrenpoint      Tuesday 20 May



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 14, 2008, 04:45:33 AM
Down ACFL Division 2 Result (Monday Night)

Dundrum 0-07  Warrenpoint 0-11

4 defeats out of 4 now.
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Post by: amallon on May 14, 2008, 10:48:20 AM
Cheers 5Sams.  Has the draw for the next round of the minor championship been made yet?
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 14, 2008, 12:02:35 PM
Not sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on May 14, 2008, 12:56:57 PM
Do yas have the u-14 east down championhip fixtures?be grateful id you'd post them ot tell me where i can get them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 14, 2008, 01:39:50 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 13, 2008, 11:06:13 PM
he ran 70 yds with the ball on his stick so score a fine goal.

How times have changed, he should of been on his arse before he got to the 21 yard line. I'll be having words on thursday night.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 14, 2008, 01:47:00 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 14, 2008, 01:39:50 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 13, 2008, 11:06:13 PM
he ran 70 yds with the ball on his stick so score a fine goal.

How times have changed, he should of been on his arse before he got to the 21 yard line. I'll be having words on thursday night.



Easier said than done, he scored a similar goal against us when he ran about 45yards and was in the process of falling. Tough man to stop when he gets going plus the fact all our back line are 5'10 or under and he's about 6'4, maybe taller.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on May 14, 2008, 01:59:40 PM
K Courtney is as strong as an ox & can twist & turn like a snake. Very hard to stop him when he gets going without doing serious damage an riskin a red card.

Are you part of the management team Johnnycool?

In Div 2 Portaferry beat Ballygalget.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 14, 2008, 02:25:11 PM
Quote from: Bacon on May 14, 2008, 01:59:40 PM
K Courtney is as strong as an ox & can twist & turn like a snake. Very hard to stop him when he gets going without doing serious damage an riskin a red card.

Are you part of the management team Johnnycool?

In Div 2 Portaferry beat Ballygalget.

Any word on the story that the hurlers have spat the dummy out (again) over the footballers getting better treatment than them and are requesting a training camp in the Slieve Donard this weekend like the footballers had last week?
Cork Footballers are coming there next weekend - wags and all.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 14, 2008, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 14, 2008, 02:25:11 PM
Quote from: Bacon on May 14, 2008, 01:59:40 PM
K Courtney is as strong as an ox & can twist & turn like a snake. Very hard to stop him when he gets going without doing serious damage an riskin a red card.

Are you part of the management team Johnnycool?

In Div 2 Portaferry beat Ballygalget.

Any word on the story that the hurlers have spat the dummy out (again) over the footballers getting better treatment than them and are requesting a training camp in the Slieve Donard this weekend like the footballers had last week?
Cork Footballers are coming there next weekend - wags and all.....

1, I'm not part of the Ballygalget 2nd's management and bigger men that Kieran can be put on their arse if the right man is on the job. You must be a referee Bacon, worrying about red cards and all that. That's why we don't count at the higher levels, our hurling is almost non-contact now.

2, I hope the county hurlers don't want a training weekend in Slieve Donard as we're playing glenariff on sunday and the lads need the rest, priorities and all that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on May 15, 2008, 09:46:40 AM
http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/leaguetables/full_allcounty_leaguetables.htm (http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/leaguetables/full_allcounty_leaguetables.htm)

League tables are now on the web site.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Against the Breeze on May 15, 2008, 01:25:11 PM
Might be a bit slow here chaps and I haven't really looked back past the last 3 pages but in todays IN in OTF it says a club in Down are fining their players who play soccer..which club would this be?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 15, 2008, 02:00:07 PM
Quote from: Against the Breeze on May 15, 2008, 01:25:11 PM
Might be a bit slow here chaps and I haven't really looked back past the last 3 pages but in todays IN in OTF it says a club in Down are fining their players who play soccer..which club would this be?


I was going to ask the same question myself ATB...jaysus if we did that we'd be loaded. :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 15, 2008, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: Against the Breeze on May 15, 2008, 01:25:11 PM
Might be a bit slow here chaps and I haven't really looked back past the last 3 pages but in todays IN in OTF it says a club in Down are fining their players who play soccer..which club would this be?

No takers on the answer?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on May 15, 2008, 02:17:56 PM
il go with downpatrick as a guess. or one of the clubs up around there. or maybe one of the newry clubs. sounds a bit silly though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 15, 2008, 02:50:37 PM
no idea but it is ridiculous!!someone has to know?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 15, 2008, 03:04:22 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on May 15, 2008, 02:50:37 PM
no idea but it is ridiculous!!someone has to know?!

Paddy heaney?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 15, 2008, 03:53:38 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 15, 2008, 02:57:10 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on May 11, 2008, 02:33:39 AM
Has no-one any comment to make re. the Co. Board paying £ 400,000 for a piece of land without even outline planning permission. Or the fact that the same piece of land is now worth much less due to fallen prices. I would have thought that such clever, bold, forward thinking iniatitive by our administrators was worthy of some recognition and applause. After all its not easy being so stupid, but they have perfected the art.

Bryansford plans on hold
Planning permission for the 15-acre site purchased by the Down Co. Board for the new Bryansford Sports Centre has been refused. It is likely that an appeal will be made and revised plans submitted for the development in the coming weeks.

Where are you getting your info?


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 15, 2008, 04:08:35 PM
I'm sure it was bought subject to planning permission???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on May 15, 2008, 05:08:08 PM
Quote from: Against the Breeze on May 15, 2008, 01:25:11 PM
Might be a bit slow here chaps and I haven't really looked back past the last 3 pages but in todays IN in OTF it says a club in Down are fining their players who play soccer..which club would this be?

the club in question is....................rostrevor,  they fined bout 5 lads who played for killowen.  i don't know the circumstances of it.  ridiculous!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 15, 2008, 06:56:27 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on May 15, 2008, 05:08:08 PM
Quote from: Against the Breeze on May 15, 2008, 01:25:11 PM
Might be a bit slow here chaps and I haven't really looked back past the last 3 pages but in todays IN in OTF it says a club in Down are fining their players who play soccer..which club would this be?

the club in question is....................rostrevor,  they fined bout 5 lads who played for killowen.  i don't know the circumstances of it.  ridiculous!!

what are they trying to prove?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 15, 2008, 07:16:15 PM
It was only two players and twenty quid fines.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on May 15, 2008, 07:30:41 PM
i heard there was five, two of them are on senior panel and rest are 2nds players.  as was said,  wat are they trying to prove?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 15, 2008, 07:35:50 PM
I had to check today wasn't April fools day.  What happens if they refuse to pay?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on May 15, 2008, 07:40:29 PM
good question mallon,  sure they cant make them pay!  surely if they were playing soccer say on the day of a match, why not drop them from the team that day? its a funny one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 15, 2008, 08:04:34 PM
just curious, are there any teams out there that dont have players who play soccer as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Against the Breeze on May 15, 2008, 09:13:21 PM
who is over rostrevor this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 16, 2008, 02:29:01 AM
Gerry Quinn of Saval, ex Rathfriland Rangers and Dromara soccer coach ;D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 16, 2008, 10:52:09 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 16, 2008, 02:29:01 AM
Gerry Quinn of Saval, ex Rathfriland Rangers and Dromara soccer coach ;D :D

he wouldn't have done that last year, he would have been told to take a run and jump.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 16, 2008, 11:16:58 AM
Who was he with last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 16, 2008, 11:22:08 AM
Quote from: amallon on May 16, 2008, 11:16:58 AM
Who was he with last year?

he was with us!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 16, 2008, 12:26:47 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 15, 2008, 08:04:34 PM
just curious, are there any teams out there that dont have players who play soccer as well?

without a doubt, id say a lot of the smaller rural clubs wouldn't have players playing soccer not as a rule though, just wasnt the done thing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 16, 2008, 12:32:23 PM
One of the stupidest things I have heard this whole thing

How can you expect amateur sportsmen to pay a fine? Wouldn't be suprprised if they just up and left.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on May 16, 2008, 12:35:44 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 15, 2008, 06:47:07 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 15, 2008, 03:53:38 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 15, 2008, 02:57:10 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on May 11, 2008, 02:33:39 AM
Has no-one any comment to make re. the Co. Board paying £ 400,000 for a piece of land without even outline planning permission. Or the fact that the same piece of land is now worth much less due to fallen prices. I would have thought that such clever, bold, forward thinking iniatitive by our administrators was worthy of some recognition and applause. After all its not easy being so stupid, but they have perfected the art.

Bryansford plans on hold
Planning permission for the 15-acre site purchased by the Down Co. Board for the new Bryansford Sports Centre has been refused. It is likely that an appeal will be made and revised plans submitted for the development in the coming weeks.

Where are you getting your info?

http://www.hoganstand.com/down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=94791

Hoganstand is about reliable as a source as a gossip at a wake. Prefer to hear from County Board and am sure they have the right planning consultants to take them through this process without facing a "no2 decision which, if it happened, could result in a 2-3 year delay for appeal.
Can someone get the official line on this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 16, 2008, 09:11:41 PM
Div 3

Bredagh beat Ardglass  2-11 to 0-8.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 16, 2008, 09:36:44 PM
Ballymartin 0.07 Bryansford 0.13

Kilcoo 3.08 Longstone 2.15 - Stone scored 2.11 in the second half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 16, 2008, 09:40:07 PM
Clann na Banna beat Tullylish by 9 i think in the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 16, 2008, 10:03:53 PM
ACFL DIV3

Drumgath 0-7
Bosco 1-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on May 16, 2008, 10:09:56 PM
mayobridge  2 12
c'wellan      0 14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 16, 2008, 10:19:06 PM
Torgael - u sure you got that result correct?  If so its a big surprise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 16, 2008, 10:23:22 PM
Its correct. i was there to witness it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on May 16, 2008, 10:29:54 PM
Ballykinlar 0-05 St Johns 10-13, also hear Aghaderg beat Bright by 4 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 16, 2008, 10:37:01 PM
liatroim 0-11 1-12 an riocht ur man will be happy, an riocht begin their charge to the top!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 16, 2008, 10:51:34 PM
Loughinisland 0.08 - 0.07 Ballyholland

We didn't play particularly well but still can't believe we lost this one. Big Dan owned the first half and 'Island were four points up at various stages, but Harps dominated the second half, with
Paddy McAnulty simply outstanding.

We're regretting the 15+ wides and rueing the injury-time free from Ronan Murtagh that came back off the post. Fair play to Seamus O'Hare, who bounced back from a couple of bad frees to drive over the winning free from well over 50 yards. 'Island will be very relieved to take both points from this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 16, 2008, 11:03:40 PM
Kilcoo 3.8 Longstone 2.15
Saval 0.10 Rostrevor 1.10
Clonduff 1.10 Burren 1.8
Mayobridge 2.12 Castlewellan 0.13
Liatriom 0.11 An Riocht 1.12
Loughinisland 0.8 Ballyholland 0.7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 16, 2008, 11:12:52 PM
P   W   D   L   Pts   SD   Teams
5   5   0   0   10   25   Mayobridge
5   4   0   1   8   4   Clonduff
5   4   0   1   8   3   Loughinisland
5   3   0   2   6   9   Burren
5   2   1   2   5   20   Kilcoo
5   2   1   2   5   -2   Rostrevor
5   2   0   3   4   -5   Longstone
5   1   2   2   4   -7   Saval
5   1   1   3   3   -6   Ballyholland
5   1   1   3   3   -8   Castlewellan
5   1   0   4   2   -6   Liatriom
5   1   0   4   2   -27   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 16, 2008, 11:17:14 PM
St Paul's
You are very slow off the mark tonight and you were at home.  Whats the story?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on May 16, 2008, 11:17:36 PM
Shamrocks 1-09 Annaclone 2-08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 16, 2008, 11:40:54 PM
Correction

P   W   D   L   Pts   SD   Teams
5   5   0   0   10   26   Mayobridge
5   4   0   1   8   4   Clonduff
5   4   0   1   8   3   Loughinisland
5   3   0   2   6   9   Burren
5   2   1   2   5   20   Kilcoo
5   2   1   2   5   -2   Rostrevor
5   2   0   3   4   -5   Longstone
5   1   2   2   4   -7   Saval
5   1   1   3   3   -6   Ballyholland
5   1   1   3   3   -9   Castlewellan
5   1   0   4   2   -6   Liatriom
5   1   0   4   2   -27   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 17, 2008, 12:41:20 AM
Quote from: umpire on May 16, 2008, 11:03:40 PM
Kilcoo 3.8 Longstone 2.15
Saval 0.10 Rostrevor 1.10
Clonduff 1.10 Burren 1.8
Mayobridge 2.12 Castlewellan 0.13
Liatriom 0.11 An Riocht 1.12
Loughinisland 0.8 Ballyholland 0.7

Well done to the Stone for getting the win in Kilcoo, its a tough place to get the points.

The Bridge were made to work real hard for their win against the Town, we really need our first goal to get us back into the game.  Starred games kick in now, its going to get a good bit tougher for us now. 

Highlights of tonights game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMPrKMgjbjo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMPrKMgjbjo)

1991 Down team arrive in Mayobridge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93mJcMRzlVM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93mJcMRzlVM)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on May 17, 2008, 08:05:58 AM
Teconnaght beat us by 4 points.........Terrible result, we where flat throughout the whole game and thus lost our unbeaten home record >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 17, 2008, 10:28:53 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on May 16, 2008, 11:17:14 PM
St Paul's
You are very slow off the mark tonight and you were at home.  Whats the story?

sorry Onion, went out for a leaving do straight after the match, so didn't get to post the result.

as for that, see above!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 17, 2008, 11:16:59 AM
Quote from: stpauls on May 17, 2008, 10:28:53 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on May 16, 2008, 11:17:14 PM
St Paul's
You are very slow off the mark tonight and you were at home.  Whats the story?

sorry Onion, went out for a leaving do straight after the match, so didn't get to post the result.

as for that, see above!!

dont do it again!!

any result from GlassD yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 17, 2008, 03:11:28 PM
St.Michaels 2-12
Glassdrumman 3-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 17, 2008, 06:09:31 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 17, 2008, 12:41:20 AM
Quote from: umpire on May 16, 2008, 11:03:40 PM
Kilcoo 3.8 Longstone 2.15
Saval 0.10 Rostrevor 1.10
Clonduff 1.10 Burren 1.8
Mayobridge 2.12 Castlewellan 0.13
Liatriom 0.11 An Riocht 1.12
Loughinisland 0.8 Ballyholland 0.7

Well done to the Stone for getting the win in Kilcoo, its a tough place to get the points.

The Bridge were made to work real hard for their win against the Town, we really need our first goal to get us back into the game.  Starred games kick in now, its going to get a good bit tougher for us now. 

Highlights of tonights game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMPrKMgjbjo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMPrKMgjbjo)

1991 Down team arrive in Mayobridge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93mJcMRzlVM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93mJcMRzlVM)


Great stuff from 91 aidan - hard to believe it was 17 years ago!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Glensman on May 17, 2008, 09:59:40 PM
Those scenes from Mayobridge are class...you don't know lucky you are.
It almost makes shivers go down my spine and I'm an Antrim man.

You make your own luck and all that but if we were only blessed with a couple of Mickey Lindens and one Pete McGrath (we might win a match in the championship...)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on May 17, 2008, 10:39:59 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 17, 2008, 12:41:20 AM
Quote from: umpire on May 16, 2008, 11:03:40 PM
Kilcoo 3.8 Longstone 2.15
Saval 0.10 Rostrevor 1.10
Clonduff 1.10 Burren 1.8
Mayobridge 2.12 Castlewellan 0.13
Liatriom 0.11 An Riocht 1.12
Loughinisland 0.8 Ballyholland 0.7

Well done to the Stone for getting the win in Kilcoo, its a tough place to get the points.

The Bridge were made to work real hard for their win against the Town, we really need our first goal to get us back into the game.  Starred games kick in now, its going to get a good bit tougher for us now. 




Mallon, is there not another 1 game with county men?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 17, 2008, 11:11:37 PM
As the club which is currently top of division three seems to be the victim of more spelling mistakes than any other team in Down, perhaps we could confirm once and for all that it is not Glassdrumman, Glassdrummond or Glasdrummand but GLASDRUMMAN.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 18, 2008, 04:23:56 AM
Friday 16th May 7 30

ACFL Div 1
Kilcoo 3 08 Longstone 2 15
Saval 0 10 Rostrevor 1 10
Clonduff 1 10 Burren 1 08
Liatroim 0 11 An Riocht 1 12
Loughinisland 0 08 Ballyholland 0 07
Mayobridge 2 11 Castlewellan 0 13

ACFL Div 2
Warrenpoint 2 12 Downpatrick 1 12
Clanna na Banna 3 07 Tullylish 0 07
Darragh Cross Dundrum not played
Ballymartin 0 07 Bryansford 0 14
Shamrocks 1 09 Annaclone 2 08
Atticall 1 09 Kilclief 1 08

ACFL Div 3
St Pauls 0 9 Teconnaught 1 10
Drumaness 1 10 Saul 0 10
Drumgath 0 07 Bosco 1 07
Mitchels 0 07 Carryduff 1 13
St Micheals 2 12 Glasdrumman 3 12
Bredagh 2 12 Ardglass 0 08

ACFL Div 4
Aghaderg 2 08 Bright 1 07
Ballykinlar 0 05 St Johns 10 13
Aughlisnafinn 0 04 Dromara 3 14

Still in Oz at the moment. Watched the Collingwood v St Kilda game the other night. Clarke had an absolute stormer in the first 2 quarters. His performance was brought up during Channel 7's half time analysis when the anchor asked pundit Nathan Buckley to comment on the rumours that Clarke was returning home for good at the end of the season. Buckley response was one of praise and he said that he hoped Clarke would stay.
They then showed BBC footage of last year's Down League Final and Clarke's involvement in it, (The Thomas Kane Programme). After that Buckley remarked that since Clarke had won a Championship (he obviously meant the League) in his native county, he didnt not see any reason why he would return home.
These rumours are starting to pick up big time down here in Melbourne. I just wonder is there much truth in it.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 18, 2008, 08:36:04 AM
Well spoken Mourne Rover. 
That constant misspelling of Glasdrumman (the little green hill) has been bugging me for some time but I kept it to myself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 18, 2008, 01:09:18 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on May 18, 2008, 08:36:04 AM
Well spoken Mourne Rover. 
That constant misspelling of Glasdrumman (the little green hill) has been bugging me for some time but I kept it to myself.

well thats me told off then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 19, 2008, 07:48:18 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on May 16, 2008, 10:10:59 PM
Quote from: Leo on May 16, 2008, 12:35:44 PM
Hoganstand is about reliable as a source as a gossip at a wake. Prefer to hear from County Board and am sure they have the right planning consultants to take them through this process without facing a "no2 decision which, if it happened, could result in a 2-3 year delay for appeal.
Can someone get the official line on this?

Hoganstand seems to have got it right. The planning application was definitely rejected.

Checkout the Down website homepage - they have issued a statement saying nothing has been rejected and all feedback to date has been positive...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 19, 2008, 09:39:08 AM
harps could have, maybe should have beat loughinisland on friday past. paul murphy arrived 20 mins late from dublin, and rony murtagh wasnt allowed to play the first half as he didnt train with down all week. have to say i think this is a joke an i know the kingdom were made play without j clarke in an earlier match this season....whats this all about!!

dan gordon dominated until murphy came on, and for 20 mins of the second half harps penned l'island back but couldnt score. murf missed 5 scoreable efforts and shane mulholland same. rony murtagh hit the post with a free last kick of the match to equalise

joe murphy and paddy mcnulty outstanding throughout

harps definitely going to rue these missed chances! :-\

ps big ger colgan managing l'island - good to see him back in the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on May 19, 2008, 11:34:21 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 19, 2008, 09:39:08 AM
rony murtagh wasnt allowed to play the first half as he didnt train with down all week. have to say i think this is a joke an i know the kingdom were made play without j clarke in an earlier match this season....whats this all about!!
couldnt believe what I was reading goldenyears, surely the county cant have any bearing on players playin for their club when the game isnt stared!! There is too much influence from the county team management on how the league is run and who plays. Surely the players should stand up and put their club first instead of bowing to the pressure from down management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 19, 2008, 12:24:36 PM
Fixtures 20/5/08
ACHL Div1 7 30
Ballycran v Ballygalget
Shamrocks v Bredagh
Kilclief v Portaferry
Liatroim v Ballela
ACHL Div 2
Castlewellan v Ballycran
Ballyvarley v Portaferry
Ballygalget v Clonduff
ACFL Div 1 Thurs 22/5/08 7 30
Ballyholland v Kilcoo(C Broderick)
Castlewellan v Liatroim(E O Hare)
Longstone v Clonduff(P Brannigan)
Rostrevor v Mayobridge(D Brogan)
Burren v Loughinisland( C Reynolds)
An Riocht v Saval(B Rice)
ACFL Div 2 Thurs 22/5/08 7 30
Annaclone v Warrenpoint(D Moore)
Kilclief v Ballymartin(O Burke)
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross(L Morgan)
Tullylish v Attical(L Smyth)
Dundrum v Shamrocks(P D Doyle)
Bryansford v Clanna na Banna(M Lynch)
ACFL Div 3 Thurs 22/5/08 7 30
Tecconaught v Drumaness(S Lowey)
Saul v Drumgath(G Corrigan)
Bosco v Mitchels(A Grant)
Carryduff v St Micheals(E Mc Ellroy)
Glasdrumman v Bredagh(B Andrews)
Ardglass v Glenn(C Brannigan)
ACFL Div 4 Friday 23/5/08 7 30
St Johns v Aghaderg(C Mc Alinden)
Bright v Dromara(M Curran)
Aughlisnafinn v Ballykinlar(G Tumelty)
ACPRL Div 1 Sunday 25/5/08 2 00
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Liatroim v Castlewellan
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Bryansford v Burren
Clonduff v Mayobridge
ACPRL Div 2
Tullylish v Bredagh
Ballymartin v Longstone
Saval v Annaclone
Kilclief v Carryduff
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 19, 2008, 01:39:40 PM
stiffbreeze, thats the rule - if county players dont train with the county during the week, they dont get to play for their clubs or else they get a half like rony did for us. not great for clubs and i think they should all bring this up at county board level

the problem is the players want to play for down in the championship and 3 or 4 weeks away they arent likely to rock the boat and find themselves sitting on the sideline or in the stand!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on May 19, 2008, 02:30:51 PM
Everyone wants to play BUT if your not fit enough to train during the week then a match will hardly be very good for you will it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on May 19, 2008, 03:29:15 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 19, 2008, 01:39:40 PM
stiffbreeze, thats the rule - if county players dont train with the county during the week, they dont get to play for their clubs or else they get a half like rony did for us. not great for clubs and i think they should all bring this up at county board level

the problem is the players want to play for down in the championship and 3 or 4 weeks away they arent likely to rock the boat and find themselves sitting on the sideline or in the stand!

didnt even know a rule like that exised goldenyears! I cant comment wat the rest of the countys in Ireland are like but IMO I think the county are ruining the competitive nature of the leagues right from 1st to third division as all are affected. I accept your point about players wanting to play in the championship and not wanting to rock the boat but surely the panel as a whole should address this issue lead by the more senior players. Starred games are becoming a joke especially for fringe county players, they dont get to play for their club and get maybe 10-15 mins a match for the county. Div1 is especially affected for teams like yourselves, saval, the island, liotrim and the kingdom. The rest of the clubs have stronger panels and more numbers in most cases and therefore dont mind the starred games whereas the smaller clubs seasons fall apart. something should be done to maintain the competitiveness of down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 19, 2008, 08:37:03 PM
the starred game system needs to be abandoned, it has contributed hugely too the falling standards in club football, with no concurrent raising of standards at Co.level. If Co. Management dont agree they have the option of resigning or being handed their P45s. They could hardly call on their record of achievement to support their argument
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on May 19, 2008, 09:13:02 PM
pangur,

I must agree the starred system is a complete disaster just like the fortunes of our county senior football side.

Really the gaels of this county must stand up and be counted, our standards are gone , a once proud county is in the doldrums and we need to start the promotion and coaching of our games again.

I  have been quiet of late hoping that we might be turning a corner , our capitulation to a weak kildare under 21 team , our weak senior set up has mean in a very thoughtful mood.

I need answers anyone care to suggest what we must do to bring us back to where we once were at the top table !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Yes I Would on May 19, 2008, 09:36:38 PM
Having seen Down play a few times in recent years, i find a certin a naiveness in how they play.
Alot of footballers of a similar stature and physique. All blessed with ability, but lack the guileness and perhaps the cynicism with which the successful teams play with, Kerry, Armagh, Tyrone, a style Monaghan adapted last year and almost got them within touching distance of an All Ireland final. The days of winning Ulster titals and All Irelands by playing free flowing football is gone for the time being, unfortunately in my opinion.
Having said all that, i dont believe they will be far off Tyrone and with a bit of self belief and cuteness could actually take them!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on May 20, 2008, 09:19:42 AM
Anyone got The IN yet ? who are the latest injury worries they are reporting ?
Title: The usual suspects
Post by: passedit on May 20, 2008, 09:27:26 AM
Coulter, Doyle, Hughes and a litany of squad players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on May 20, 2008, 10:08:19 AM
Ah FFS , the usual bogey injury stories hopefully .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 20, 2008, 10:14:10 AM
Down's injury worries worsen Ulster Senior Football Championship
By Kenny Archer
20/05/08

DOWN'S injury concerns have worsened ahead of their Ulster Championship clash against Tyrone with three more star men facing races to be fit for the game on June 8 – and another player already ruled out.

Forwards Benny Coulter and Danny Hughes, along with centre half-back Liam Doyle, are all sitting out training at the moment with various knocks.

Those three should be physically fit to take on the Red Hands in Omagh, although they may lack for match fitness.

However, Burren attacker James McGovern seems certain to miss that match after tearing a quad muscle in a training session.

The Down medics estimate that he will be absent for between four and six weeks with that injury.

Coulter and Doyle have been sidelined for over a week and are understood to be 'touch and go' for the Tyrone game.

Both were absent from a two-point challenge match win in Newry at the weekend against Tipperary, who will enter Championship combat this Sunday in the Munster SFC against Limerick.

Hughes hurt an ankle in a challenge game victory against a largely second string Monaghan side just over a fortnight ago but the

Saval sharpshooter is considered more likely to

be ready to feature at Healy Park.

Defensively, Down had already lost last year's captain Declan Rooney to a hernia problem, young full-back Ciaran McGovern to a longer-term knee injury, and half-back Darren O'Hanlon to a broken ankle sustained in a club game.

The Mournemen will keep their collective fingers crossed that they suffer no more seious injuries this Thursday night when the last round of senior club games take place prior to their Championship campaign commencing.

Down boss Ross Carr and his selectors have not called up any replacements, hoping that Coulter, Doyle, and Hughes will all be available for the Healy Park clash.

One surprising inclusion in the squad could be former county minor Hugh Davey, who has been playing soccer with some success in the United States of America.


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i would find hugh davey's inclusion a bit of a joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on May 20, 2008, 10:26:24 AM
has hugh turned out for the shamrocks this year at all?

remember playing against him at minor level when he had just returned from blackburn, he was a very good player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 20, 2008, 10:30:16 AM
Hugh Davey - wtf is that all about?
If he has played for Shamrocks then tell me where he was when Bryansford trounced them 1.17 - 2.02 when they scored only 1 goal from play and were a complete joke - how they have county standard players must be DJ's influence....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on May 20, 2008, 10:38:18 AM
"Both were absent from a two-point challenge match win in Newry at the weekend against Tipperary, who will enter Championship combat this Sunday in the Munster SFC against Limerick."

That's what worried me the most out of the IN article.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 20, 2008, 12:57:41 PM
going by the local papers, hugh davey gas not turned out for the Shamrocks this year, i dont think he is home from the states yet!!!!
Forgot to mention the performance of  Kevin Duffin on Friday night v Mayobridge, this lad is the real deal, he is strong, athletic, gret brain and can pass a ball!!!!!! he gave a great drop kick pass into the forward line the other night, a great and dying art!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on May 20, 2008, 01:28:22 PM

I must admit that I had not heard of this Hugh Davey before. But I googled him and found this link from Florida, USA.  (if you can translate the american soccer lingo :)

http://daytona.embryriddlesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=11500&ATCLID=541200 (http://daytona.embryriddlesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=11500&ATCLID=541200)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Andym2008 on May 20, 2008, 01:57:59 PM
[Well i think we can all say that the kingdom did indeed make us wait for the 1st win of the season , but in time it did come. A massive result indeed, J clark was the main difference as well as christy killen and the returning Aidan Cunningham, i think you will recall that ros carr said just a few short years ago he was the best minor he ever worked with, Now he back for An Ríocht this season and a League and championship double looks quite good! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mattockranger on May 20, 2008, 02:10:32 PM
why and how did down get a challenge with tipperary???

Surely there is many a county that would love a challenge against down
what has your preparation been like prior to this?? i thought you guys were a great outside bet to beat tyrone in the first round with poor challenges llike that it dosen't bode well..........i'm sad to say
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mickey Linden on May 20, 2008, 02:37:23 PM
Anyone want to hazard a guess at the starting 15 v Tyrone? Things arent looking too good at the min
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on May 20, 2008, 02:46:21 PM
surely the hugh davey story is a windup! on the injury front , i can only tell you that hughes came on for saval in the last 10 against rostrevor tried to run round the whole defense to get a goal and lost the ball! he should be fit though for the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 20, 2008, 02:58:08 PM
Quote from: mattockranger on May 20, 2008, 02:10:32 PM
why and how did down get a challenge with tipperary???

Surely there is many a county that would love a challenge against down
what has your preparation been like prior to this?? i thought you guys were a great outside bet to beat tyrone in the first round with poor challenges llike that it dosen't bode well..........i'm sad to say


I think we play the Rebels in a challenge on Sunday in Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on May 20, 2008, 03:04:24 PM
Did you hear a time for that 5sams ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 20, 2008, 03:20:42 PM
No I'll find out and post it later.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on May 20, 2008, 03:39:02 PM
Thks, wouldn't mind getting a look at them before Omagh .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on May 20, 2008, 04:59:08 PM
any1 hear anything about the minor match between glenn and glasdruman last night? apparently it was abandonded due to a brawl and a glenn player was taken to hospital with a suspected broken leg.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 20, 2008, 06:55:47 PM
Would that challenge game be behind closed doors?  I'd like to go see it as well if possible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 20, 2008, 09:47:20 PM
Hurling league results:

Div 1
Kilclief 2-12 4-16 Portaferry
Shamrocks 1-09 3-07 Bredagh

Div 2
Ballygalget 1-15 0-11 Clonduff

Any other results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 20, 2008, 10:04:31 PM
ACHL Div1
Liatroim 2.19 Ballela 1.12

Our worst display to date! Should have been closer though, we missed an penalty and a bag full of 1 on 1's in the last 10 only to let in as soft a goal as you'l see in the last minute. It was 0.11 to 1.6 at half time. Think thats the second time Liatroim have had a Liatroim ref officiate one of their matches this season, interesting one!

Great win for Bredagh and a good showing from Kilclief, much healthier league this year IMO. Was that a full strength Bredagh team, heard Sean (Benitez) Mc Guinness was using a rotation policy in the last few matches, any truth in that Lecale?

Edit; Ballyvarley beat Portaferry by 5 in Div2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 20, 2008, 10:13:09 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on May 20, 2008, 10:04:31 PM

Great win for Bredagh and a good showing from Kilclief, much healthier league this year IMO. Was that a full strength Bredagh team, heard Sean (Benitez) Mc Guinness was using a rotation policy in the last few matches, any truth in that Lecale?


With Ulster games on Saturday, Antrim games on Sunday & Wednesday, minor games on Monday and Down league on Tuesday we have to use to full panel. I'd say we played our full team tonight because its the only game we have this week.

I suspect Newry may have been without their county players. Kilclief played without Finty Conway but they still performed well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on May 20, 2008, 10:26:06 PM
Just a note about Benny not playing last sun, he is fit but being saved for the Cork match on sunday. So expect to see him start on sunday!
Just to echo big Tom OHare about Kevin Duffin, think he should be in the squad, he is a great player with all the attributes, strong as a bull!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on May 21, 2008, 10:50:23 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on May 20, 2008, 10:04:31 PM
ACHL Div1
Liatroim 2.19 Ballela 1.12

Our worst display to date! Should have been closer though, we missed an penalty and a bag full of 1 on 1's in the last 10 only to let in as soft a goal as you'l see in the last minute. It was 0.11 to 1.6 at half time. Think thats the second time Liatroim have had a Liatroim ref officiate one of their matches this season, interesting one!

Great win for Bredagh and a good showing from Kilclief, much healthier league this year IMO. Was that a full strength Bredagh team, heard Sean (Benitez) Mc Guinness was using a rotation policy in the last few matches, any truth in that Lecale?

Edit; Ballyvarley beat Portaferry by 5 in Div2

Liatroim have moved up a gear this year Whitehair and youse did well to stick with them. Mind you Ballela have improved as well after two very poor years. Surprised Bredagh won in Newry. They needed that win after losing the first 3. Warrenpoint are going v well in Div 2 and are unbeaten. How did they do last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on May 21, 2008, 10:52:42 AM
Seen Duffin play throughout the U21 campaign and he looked a very lazy player. Maybe he's not but the few games i did see of him he rarely chased back when he went forward. He looked to be an excellent passer of the ball though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 21, 2008, 11:45:03 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on April 07, 2008, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: downredblack on April 07, 2008, 12:07:21 PM
What was Ross Carr's response to the game ? Did anyone hear an interview ?


Ross Carr was very despondent in his Radio Ulster interveiw and must know the noose is tightening around his neck as this is a failure and everyone in Down knows it.
Packie Downey cant make the U21 team and yet is started yesterday ??? Boys like Murtagh, Sexton & McArdle arent going to set the world alight either. Although when Benny didnt play in the McKenna Cup we scored at will, do players rely on him to much? or indeed does he have a influence in the dressing room over the younger members?
Midfield is a ongoing issue but does the fact that Kalum King has returned to Bryansford and has starred in many pre season games (scoring 3.3 from number 8 v St Johns Belfast) give another option?
Kevin Duffin, James Colgan, Ryan Kelly, Kevin McKernan and Cathal Magee  need to be getting in the mix very soon for Down and the clearout needs to be done before Omagh.


Said before on this site Duffin needs to be starting v tyrone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 21, 2008, 11:32:29 PM
Too late now for changes to the panel, we will stand or fall with what we have, which does not give much cause for optimism but i am sure the boys will do their best
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 22, 2008, 11:26:08 AM
ACFL Div 1 Thurs 22/5/08 7 30
Ballyholland v Kilcoo (C Broderick)
Castlewellan v Liatroim (E O Hare)
Longstone v Clonduff (P Brannigan)
Rostrevor v Mayobridge (D Brogan)
Burren v Loughinisland (C Reynolds)
An Riocht v Saval (B Rice)

ACFL Div 2 Thurs 22/5/08 7 30
Annaclone v Warrenpoint (D Moore)
Kilclief v Ballymartin (O Burke)
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross (L Morgan)
Tullylish v Attical (L Smyth)
Dundrum v Shamrocks DRAW (P D Doyle)
Bryansford v Clanna na Banna (M Lynch)

ACFL Div 3 Thurs 22/5/08 7 30
Tecconaught v Drumaness (S Lowey)
Saul v Drumgath (G Corrigan)
Bosco v Mitchels (A Grant)
Carryduff v St Micheals (E Mc Ellroy)
Glasdrumman v Bredagh (B Andrews)
Ardglass v Glenn (C Brannigan)

ACFL Div 4 Friday 23/5/08 7 30
St Johns v Aghaderg (C Mc Alinden)
Bright v Dromara (M Curran)
Aughlisnafinn 9.29 v 8.32 Ballykinlar (G Tumelty)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on May 22, 2008, 11:37:39 AM
ACFL Div 1 Thurs 22/5/08 7 30
Ballyholland v Kilcoo (C Broderick)
Castlewellan v Liatroim (E O Hare)
Longstone v Clonduff (P Brannigan)
Rostrevor v Mayobridge (D Brogan)
Burren v Loughinisland (C Reynolds)
An Riocht v Saval (B Rice)

ACFL Div 2 Thurs 22/5/08 7 30
Annaclone v Warrenpoint (D Moore)
Kilclief v Ballymartin (O Burke)
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross (L Morgan)
Tullylish v Attical (L Smyth)
Dundrum v Shamrocks (P D Doyle)
Bryansford v Clanna na Banna (M Lynch)

ACFL Div 3 Thurs 22/5/08 7 30
Tecconaught v Drumaness (S Lowey)
Saul v Drumgath (G Corrigan)
Bosco v Mitchels (A Grant)
Carryduff v St Micheals (E Mc Ellroy)
Glasdrumman v Bredagh (B Andrews)
Ardglass v Glenn (C Brannigan)

ACFL Div 4 Friday 23/5/08 7 30
St Johns v Aghaderg (C Mc Alinden)
Bright v Dromara (M Curran)
Aughlisnafinn v  Ballykinlar (G Tumelty)

bryansford v clann na banna is now on friday evening in newcastle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 22, 2008, 12:15:51 PM
ACFL Div 3 Thurs 22/5/08 7 30
Tecconaught v Drumaness (S Lowey)
Saul v Drumgath (G Corrigan)
Bosco v Mitchels (A Grant)
Carryduff v St Micheals (E Mc Ellroy)
Glasdrumman v Bredagh (B Andrews)
Ardglass v Glenn (C Brannigan)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 22, 2008, 01:52:02 PM
ACFL Div 1 Thurs 22/5/08 7 30
Ballyholland v Kilcoo (C Broderick)
Castlewellan v Liatroim (E O Hare)
Longstone v Clonduff (P Brannigan)
Rostrevor v Mayobridge (D Brogan)
Burren v Loughinisland (C Reynolds)
An Riocht v Saval (B Rice)

ACFL Div 2 Thurs 22/5/08 7 30
Annaclone v Warrenpoint (D Moore)
Kilclief v Ballymartin (O Burke)
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross (L Morgan)
Tullylish v Attical (L Smyth)
Dundrum v Shamrocks  (P D Doyle)
Bryansford v Clanna na Banna (M Lynch)

ACFL Div 3 Thurs 22/5/08 7 30
Tecconaught v Drumaness (S Lowey)
Saul v Drumgath (G Corrigan)
Bosco v Mitchels (A Grant)
Carryduff v St Micheals (E Mc Ellroy)
Glasdrumman v Bredagh (B Andrews)
Ardglass v Glenn (C Brannigan)

ACFL Div 4 Friday 23/5/08 7 30
St Johns v Aghaderg (C Mc Alinden)
Bright v Dromara (M Curran)
Aughlisnafinn 9.29 v 8.32 Ballykinlar (G Tumelty)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 22, 2008, 03:20:09 PM
Good man yourself wobbler, thanks a million!  ::)

I was reasonably confident for tonight after a decent performance up in Atticall last week but we're fucked now after your prediction!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 22, 2008, 08:55:34 PM
Glasdrumman 0-9 v Bredagh 0-4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 22, 2008, 09:12:01 PM
Rostrevor 0-7 Mayobridge 4-10. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 22, 2008, 10:13:09 PM
Ballyholland 1.11 - 2.13 Kilcoo

The better side won this one, but it was closer than the 5 pts suggest. All 3 goals were sloppy but Kilcoo got their first very early on and we were chasing the game thereafter, and never managed to get level.

Conor Laverty was back for the Magpies and had a blinding first half (1-2 or 1-3), but we got a closer grip on him as the game wore on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 22, 2008, 10:21:37 PM
ACFL Div 1 Thurs 22/5/08 7 30
> Ballyholland 1-11 Kilcoo 2-13
> Castlewellan 0-15 Liatroim 0-8
> Longstone 0-11 Clonduff 1-6
> Rostrevor 0-7 Mayobridge 4-10
> Burren 0-8 Loughinisland 0-7
> An Riocht 1-7 Saval 3-11
>
> ACFL Div 2 Thurs 22/5/08 7 30
> Annaclone 0-13 Warrenpoint 1-9
> Kilclief 1-6 Ballymartin 0-15
> Downpatrick 2-9 Darragh Cross 1-10
> Tullylish 1-6 Attical 1-11
> Dundrum 2-16 Shamrocks 0-5
> Bryansford Clanna na Banna (Friday)
>
> ACFL Div 3 Thurs 22/5/08 7 30
> Tecconaught 0-8 Drumaness 0-9
> Saul Drumgath (Sunday 2.15pm)
> Bosco 0-9 Mitchels 1-10
> Carryduff 2-11 St Micheals 0-8
> Glasdrumman 0-9 Bredagh 0-4
> Ardglass 4-14 Glenn 1-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 22, 2008, 11:12:59 PM
22nd May
Down All County Div one Table

P   W   D   L   Pts   SD   Teams
6   6   0   0   12   41   Mayobridge
6   4   0   2    8   10   Burren
6   4   0   2    8    2   Clonduff
6   4   0   2    8    2   Loughinisland
6   3   1   2    7   25   Kilcoo
6   2   2   2    6    3   Saval
6   3   0   3    6   -3   Longstone
6   2   1   3    5   -2   Castlewellan
6   2   1   3    5            -17   Rostrevor
6   1   1   4    3            -11   Ballyholland
6   1   0   5    2            -13   Liatriom
6   1   0   5    2            -37   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 23, 2008, 08:57:33 AM
Highlights of the Rostrevor Bridge game. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j62U2cETCHk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j62U2cETCHk)

Unfortunately we missed a great goal by Noel Sexton, apologies!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 23, 2008, 09:08:59 AM
Quote from: amallon on May 23, 2008, 08:57:33 AM
Highlights of the Rostrevor Bridge game. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j62U2cETCHk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j62U2cETCHk)

Unfortunately we missed a great goal by Noel Sexton, apologies!

Not good enough! The Bridge seem better than ever this year - AndyM will be in hiding after a tanking by Saval, although Saval seem to be able to hold their own in Div 1.
Any predictions the leagues overall outcome yet?
I would be alarmed at Shamrocks defeat to Dundrum in Div 2 last night - with alledged county standard players in their ranks they shouldnt be turned over so easily.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 23, 2008, 10:20:27 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on May 12, 2008, 10:54:53 PM
Ardglass bt Drumaness by 6

does anyone have the actual score from this match, i can't see it anywhere on the down website!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maximus Marillius on May 23, 2008, 10:42:23 AM
I see An riocht at the boyyom of the table...did they not win the league title last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 23, 2008, 11:10:50 AM
23rd May

Div one table

P   W   D   L   Pts   SD   Teams
6   6   0   0   12    40   Mayobridge
6   4   0   2    8    10   Burren
6   4   0   2    8     2   Clonduff
6   4   0   2    8     2   Loughinisland
6   3   1   2    7    25   Kilcoo
6   2   2   2    6     3   Saval
6   3   0   3    6    -3   Longstone
6   2   1   3    5    -1   Castlewellan
6   2   1   3    5   -17   Rostrevor
6   1   1   4    3   -11   Ballyholland
6   1   0   5    2   -13   Liatriom
6   1   0   5    2   -37   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 23, 2008, 11:44:47 AM
v impressed with marty mcclean last night in midfield for kilcoo, also paul devlin kicked 4 or 5 great points and conor laverty was a real handful, realy tricky to mark.....kilcoo fully deserved their points....

yet again the harps went close, rony murtagh went for a goal when a handy point put us level with 10 to go, instead they went up the field and kicked a goal, making it 4 up and the game was effectively over....

alot of harsh lessons for the harps so far, and we arent learning quickly enough....6 pointer next week at home to the kingdom
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 23, 2008, 12:27:26 PM
Rostrevor were dire and the ref gave one of the strangest displays I've ever seen.  He disappeared for 2 minutes to change his shirt in the middle of the game, he gave more over carrying decisions than I've ever seen. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mickey Linden on May 23, 2008, 12:38:41 PM
Whats the story with Conor Laverty? He seemed like a good prospect a few years ago even tho he was a bit small.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on May 23, 2008, 12:41:37 PM
Very tight game in burren last night. very few scores and lots of good defending on both sides. moment of match was in last couple of minutes when dan was one on one with the keeper. the keeper made a good save. we had a lot of pressure after that but could not get the equaliser. Mc kernan scores two or three superb scores from far out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on May 23, 2008, 01:09:44 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 20, 2008, 02:58:08 PM
Quote from: mattockranger on May 20, 2008, 02:10:32 PM
why and how did down get a challenge with tipperary???

Surely there is many a county that would love a challenge against down
what has your preparation been like prior to this?? i thought you guys were a great outside bet to beat tyrone in the first round with poor challenges llike that it dosen't bode well..........i'm sad to say


I think we play the Rebels in a challenge on Sunday in Newry.

Any more word on this? might be in south down sunday so would like a look.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on May 23, 2008, 01:44:42 PM
was a tight game in burren last night although i think that it is te tactics of 'island to flood the defence and keep opposition scores to a minimum, half forward line line very deep, and alot o the time they onnly had 2/3-man forward line, the 2 pointed frees by mckernan at the end of 1st half gave burren a life-line, also very good score taken by o' reilly in the 1st half!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 23, 2008, 01:58:32 PM
laverty is an excellent club player - great threat, v pacy and low centre of gravity makes him a nightmare to mark, but forget about him playing senior county football - it just wouldnt happen for him - too light and small unfortunately
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 23, 2008, 03:08:47 PM
The Bridge are played very well last night, Ryan Brady is a great assest in our forward line and will figure in the championship at some stage ,Rostrevor were terrible last night, Where have their minor prospects gone!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on May 23, 2008, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 23, 2008, 12:27:26 PM
Rostrevor were dire and the ref gave one of the strangest displays I've ever seen.  He disappeared for 2 minutes to change his shirt in the middle of the game, he gave more over carrying decisions than I've ever seen. 

Who was the referee? Was he from Holywood by any chance. Con Reynolds referred the Island Burren game last night and I thought he was as good a referee as I have seen this year. Let the game flow when he could and was consistent and fair to both teams. However, whilst he let the game flow he always booked a player who made no attempt to play the ball and haul is opponent down, particularly when there was a quick attack on. He did this early on, set his stall out, and got rid of the hauling down very quickly. In my opinion, if you pull a player down who has beats you, it should be automatic yellow card. There are too  many refs giving tics for this or simply just a foul. That is not to say Reynolds was in any way your typical fussy Down ref last night. You had to get a right old thump before you got a free kick. We are always knocking refs but credit where credit is due.

Regards the match, very close tight affair. Brillant save by the Burren keeper in the last couple of minutes to deny us victory. Sigh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on May 23, 2008, 04:14:20 PM
is cathal murdock playin in nets for burren this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 23, 2008, 04:43:24 PM
He was Brogan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 23, 2008, 04:46:05 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on May 23, 2008, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 23, 2008, 12:27:26 PM
Rostrevor were dire and the ref gave one of the strangest displays I've ever seen.  He disappeared for 2 minutes to change his shirt in the middle of the game, he gave more over carrying decisions than I've ever seen. 

Who was the referee? Was he from Holywood by any chance.

no, our ref was in charge of a Division 3 match last night!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on May 23, 2008, 05:08:29 PM
when is the st pauls game and who do yous play?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on May 23, 2008, 05:25:37 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 23, 2008, 05:08:29 PM
when is the st pauls game and who do yous play?
St Pauls play the Carlingford Innkeepers in a doubleheader tonight and tomorrow night. Any word on the Down Cork match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 23, 2008, 06:55:32 PM
Quote from: passedit on May 23, 2008, 05:25:37 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 23, 2008, 05:08:29 PM
when is the st pauls game and who do yous play?
Any word on the Down Cork match?

Apparently its "behind closed doors"....thats the last I heard....havent heard where it is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 23, 2008, 08:52:56 PM
Have heard that Down v Cork challenge game is to take place at St. Johns pitch. Cant vouch for the accuracy of this report
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on May 23, 2008, 11:34:54 PM
Bryansford 0-13 Clann na Banna 1-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on May 24, 2008, 09:35:35 AM
Fri night Div 4:

St Johns 2.10 Aghaderg 1.10

Ballykinlar beat the Fin by 3 points

Anyone know how Bright/Dromara went?

Down/Cork match is not at the St Johns new second pitch, club had hoped to get this game to officially open it but opening now put off til next year apparently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 24, 2008, 03:48:07 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 23, 2008, 05:08:29 PM
when is the st pauls game and who do yous play?

no match for us this weekend, our bye weekend!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 25, 2008, 04:48:55 PM
ACFL DIV3

Saul 1-8
Drumgath 1-12
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 25, 2008, 07:39:38 PM
Tuesday 27th (7 30)
ACHL Div 1
Ballygalget v Liatroim
Ballela v Ballycran
Portaferry v Shamrocks
Bredagh v Kilclief
ACHL Div 2
Ballycran v Ballyvarley
Warrenpoint v Ballygalget
Castlewellan v Clonduff
Friday 30th (7 30)
ACFL Div 1
Mayobridge v Loughinisland
Liatroim v Clonduff
Saval v Kilcoo
Burren v Rostrevor
Longstone v Castlewellan
Ballyholland v An Riocht
ACFL Div 2
Attical v Shamrocks
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross
Clann na Banna v Warrenpoint
Dundrum v Tullylish
Downpatrick v Kilclief
Annaclone v Bryansford
ACFL Div 3
Drumaness v St Pauls
Drumgath v Teconnaught
Mitchels v Saul
St Micheals v St John Bosco
Bredagh v Carryduff
Glenn v Glassdrumman
ACFL Div 4
Bright v St Johns
Ballykinlar v Dromara
Aghaderg v Aughlisnafinn
Sunday June 1st (2 00)
ACPRL Div 1
Liatroim v Downpatrick
Bryansford v An Riocht
Burren v Kilcoo
Rostrevor v Clonduff
Castlewellan v Mayobridge
ACPRL Div 2
Ballymartin v Annaclone
Kilclief v Bredagh
Carryduff v Tullylish
Saval v Loughinisland
Longstone v Warrenpoint
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on May 25, 2008, 10:38:15 PM
Are you sure the games are on Tuesday? and why?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 25, 2008, 10:51:52 PM
Tuesday 27th (7 30)
ACHL Div 1
Ballygalget v Liatroim
Ballela v Ballycran
Portaferry v Shamrocks
Bredagh v Kilclief
ACHL Div 2
Ballycran v Ballyvarley
Warrenpoint v Ballygalget
Castlewellan v Clonduff
Friday 30th (7 30)
ACFL Div 1
Mayobridge v Loughinisland
Liatroim v Clonduff
Saval v Kilcoo
Burren v Rostrevor
Longstone v Castlewellan
Ballyholland v An Riocht
ACFL Div 2
Attical v Shamrocks
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross
Clann na Banna v Warrenpoint
Dundrum v Tullylish
Downpatrick v Kilclief
Annaclone v Bryansford
ACFL Div 3
Drumaness v St Pauls
Drumgath v Teconnaught
Mitchels v Saul
St Micheals v St John Bosco
Bredagh v Carryduff
Glenn v Glassdrumman
ACFL Div 4
Bright v St Johns
Ballykinlar v Dromara
Aghaderg v Aughlisnafinn
Sunday June 1st (2 00)
ACPRL Div 1
Liatroim v Downpatrick
Bryansford v An Riocht
Burren v Kilcoo
Rostrevor v Clonduff
Castlewellan v Mayobridge
ACPRL Div 2
Ballymartin v Annaclone
Kilclief v Bredagh
Carryduff v Tullylish
Saval v Loughinisland
Longstone v Warrenpoint
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on May 26, 2008, 11:45:26 AM
Just read in todays IN that Cork manager Conor Counihan insisted that the game on Saturday be played behind closed doors with no journalists or spectators present, i cant believe that senior county team managers are allowed to dictate as to who can be present at a senior inter-county fixture even if it is just a challenge match.
I think a lot of managers (including our own)have let there status as managers go to there heads & should be brought back down to earth by the relevant authorities before things get any further out of control, the case of Ronan Murtagh not being allowed to play a full game for his club because he didnt train with the county team that week was an absolute joke, county managers need to remember that these lads are CLUB players (coached & encouraged @ club level from an early age) who are privalaged to be chosen to play for there county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maximus Marillius on May 26, 2008, 11:53:10 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on May 26, 2008, 11:45:26 AM
Just read in todays IN that Cork manager Conor Counihan insisted that the game on Saturday be played behind closed doors with no journalists or spectators present, i cant believe that senior county team managers are allowed to dictate as to who can be present at a senior inter-county fixture even if it is just a challenge match.
I think a lot of managers (including our own)have let there status as managers go to there heads & should be brought back down to earth by the relevant authorities before things get any further out of control, the case of Ronan Murtagh not being allowed to play a full game for his club because he didnt train with the county team that week was an absolute joke, county managers need to remember that these lads are CLUB players (coached & encouraged @ club level from an early age) who are privalaged to be chosen to play for there county.

knowing nothing about it, if the lad was unable to train fully with the county squad that would tell me he was injured or returning from injury and any decent physico would tell you a player should never play a match returning from injury unless he come through a full training session
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 26, 2008, 11:59:48 AM
Down were beaten by a goal from what I hear. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on May 26, 2008, 12:23:10 PM


Cork edge Mourne men in challenge
24 May 2008


A second-half goal from Cork's Niall Murphy proved the difference as Conor Counihan's Rebels made the long trip to Newry to take on Down in a challenge game which saw both sides prepare for their upcoming provincial championship outings.

Down 1-15
Cork 2-15

In the arrangements for this meeting, Counihan had requested that the doors be closed in Pairc Esler for the duration of the match otherwise the game would not be played.

From glimpses of the match outside the grounds, the two sides played out an intense encounter which saw the visitors lead by five points at the half-time, Fintan Gould's goal setting up a 1-8 to 0-6 lead for the Rebels by the interval.

Down's scores in the opening 35 minutes came courtesy of white flags from Liam Doyle (3 frees), Daniel Hughes, Ronan Murtagh and Ronan Sexton.

An early goal from ace forward Paul McComiskey put the Mourne County right back into proceedings, but Niall Murphy's strike ensured that Cork would make their long trip north worth the while as they finished up with three points to spare come the full-time whistle.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 26, 2008, 02:02:53 PM
Its a pity the game had to be played behind closed doors, a good few people were turned away including some of the players families.  I think it was Cork who wanted the game 'closed doors'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on May 26, 2008, 02:12:37 PM
Anyone hear the starting 15 ? according to AFR both teams insisted that it be played behind closed doors and Cork dominated for most of the match .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on May 26, 2008, 05:08:36 PM

Seems Cumiskey only came on against cork so that would indicate he won't start against tyrone either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 26, 2008, 06:05:20 PM
It would be sensible to keep McComiskey on the bench in Omagh and throw him on when the game opens up in the second half. His club form for Dundrum has apparently not been that hot, but quality and pace should always come good in the end. Can anyone say if Paul Murphy is likely to be fit ?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 26, 2008, 08:28:00 PM
How ludicrously full of its own self importance has the county game become when managers are demanding behind-closed-doors games?

Really, who do they think they are kidding? Do they really believe that their team selections and tactics are going to scare/inspire/amuse/worry/entertain their Championship opponents? Do they really believe that playing in front of nobody is good preparation for Championship atmosphere? I do despair. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 27, 2008, 12:12:40 AM
Well said Wobbler, the voice of reason , which is a rare commodity at the moment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 27, 2008, 08:57:28 AM
A total disgrace that the County Board let this happen - the Down Fans have just had a difficult enough league campaign which was a total failure and the blame has to be left at the managements discretion  and we are now being shut out from a challenge game.
Why did they not open the gates and even charge, say, £5 admission to go towards the training fund? -  because the clubs will have to pick it up along the way somewhere.
Did the Cork boys think Kerry would travel up to watch them? ;D ;D - obviously they must have.
And I wouldnt think Mickey Harte is losing too much sleep over not seeing it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on May 27, 2008, 09:05:26 AM
I would think that this was alot more of a Cork request than a Down request. Probably a deal-breaker to get the Rebels to travel to Newry. Many managers live in a world of paranoia.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on May 27, 2008, 12:19:37 PM
Quote from: corn02 on May 27, 2008, 09:05:26 AM
I would think that this was alot more of a Cork request than a Down request. Probably a deal-breaker to get the Rebels to travel to Newry. Many managers live in a world of paranoia.

And Cork (both players and management) are more paranoid than most after their shameful "stike" a couple of months ago


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on May 27, 2008, 06:27:02 PM
just on the cathal murdock playin in nets for burren question< he started the season in nets but hasnt playedrecently due to injury, mark rocks apparently made a great save from dan gordon in the last match, match winning save!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 27, 2008, 06:32:19 PM
Apparently? Were you not at the match kinghen?? How'd the burren forwards do?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on May 27, 2008, 07:29:42 PM
I see Paddy O'Rourke did the Newry marathon in 3h20minutes. Not bad going for an over 45!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on May 27, 2008, 07:33:36 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 27, 2008, 08:57:28 AM
A total disgrace that the County Board let this happen - the Down Fans have just had a difficult enough league campaign which was a total failure and the blame has to be left at the managements discretion  and we are now being shut out from a challenge game.
Why did they not open the gates and even charge, say, £5 admission to go towards the training fund? -  because the clubs will have to pick it up along the way somewhere.
Did the Cork boys think Kerry would travel up to watch them? ;D ;D - obviously they must have.
And I wouldnt think Mickey Harte is losing too much sleep over not seeing it!

The biggest disgrace here is the lack of respect shown to London and Armagh hurlers. I wonder how long the Cork byes wouda struck for if that had happened to their own hurling team.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Glensman on May 27, 2008, 08:24:04 PM
I wish Antrim Cavan had been played behind closed doors.

On a serious note that was a complete joke...is there any inside info on why?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 27, 2008, 10:19:26 PM
Quote from: passedit on May 27, 2008, 07:33:36 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 27, 2008, 08:57:28 AM
A total disgrace that the County Board let this happen - the Down Fans have just had a difficult enough league campaign which was a total failure and the blame has to be left at the managements discretion  and we are now being shut out from a challenge game.
Why did they not open the gates and even charge, say, £5 admission to go towards the training fund? -  because the clubs will have to pick it up along the way somewhere.
Did the Cork boys think Kerry would travel up to watch them? ;D ;D - obviously they must have.
And I wouldnt think Mickey Harte is losing too much sleep over not seeing it!

The biggest disgrace here is the lack of respect shown to London and Armagh hurlers. I wonder how long the Cork byes wouda struck for if that had happened to their own hurling team.



well said passedit, i was wondering how long it would take someone to bring this up. the lack of respect shown to these 2 teams was a disgrace, especially London who flew over on the morning of the game, and if it had gone to extra time, they would have missed their flight home!! were the down county board going to stump up their hotel bill just because they wanted their senior football team, to play behind closed doors in Pairc Esler, instead of moving it somewhere else?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on May 28, 2008, 08:19:36 AM
Anybody got a clue what the Down team against tyrone will be?

Id like to see this team:

1. B McViegh
2. L Howard
3. C Murney (may be small but best option in my opion)
4. M Cole
5. D Rafferty
6. L Doyle
7. A Carr
8. J Colgan
9. D Gordan
10. D Hughes
11. A Rodgers
12. K McKernan
13. J Clarke
14. B Coulter
15. P McComiskey

Also gives the option to bring on experienced players such as Sexton, Murtagh, Murphy (possible as sweeper if tyrone launch high ball)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on May 28, 2008, 10:43:55 AM
Colgan will not start, murtagh has to be a shoe in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 28, 2008, 12:34:47 PM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on May 26, 2008, 11:53:10 AM

knowing nothing about it, if the lad was unable to train fully with the county squad that would tell me he was injured or returning from injury and any decent physico would tell you a player should never play a match returning from injury unless he come through a full training session

Max, I think thats balls - Paul McGrath extended his career for years by getting through game to game and training very little - is it not possible that a player cant make training on wed night but the extra time gets him into a playable position for the fri night?? i certainly think so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 28, 2008, 12:37:16 PM
Quote from: the milkman on May 28, 2008, 08:19:36 AM
Anybody got a clue what the Down team against tyrone will be?

Id like to see this team:

1. B McViegh
2. L Howard
3. C Murney (may be small but best option in my opion)
4. M Cole
5. D Rafferty
6. L Doyle
7. A Carr
8. J Colgan
9. D Gordan
10. D Hughes
11. A Rodgers
12. K McKernan
13. J Clarke
14. B Coulter
15. P McComiskey

Also gives the option to bring on experienced players such as Sexton, Murtagh, Murphy (possible as sweeper if tyrone launch high ball)

my sources suggest that murphy will play at number 5, colgan will play in the middle and r murtagh will play at corner forward
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on May 28, 2008, 12:40:55 PM

If Colgan is playing its the final nail in any chance i thought down had
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maximus Marillius on May 28, 2008, 12:46:22 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 28, 2008, 12:34:47 PM
Quote from: Maximus Marillius on May 26, 2008, 11:53:10 AM

knowing nothing about it, if the lad was unable to train fully with the county squad that would tell me he was injured or returning from injury and any decent physico would tell you a player should never play a match returning from injury unless he come through a full training session

Max, I think thats balls - Paul McGrath extended his career for years by getting through game to game and training very little - is it not possible that a player cant make training on wed night but the extra time gets him into a playable position for the fri night?? i certainly think so.

paul mc Grath...FFS that shit happened years ago. It would not be tolerated at the top of professional sport now...sure wasn't he also drunk all of the time except for the games. This arguement all depends on your knowledge base in respect to injuries. I stand by my comment...and the only time i would see it bent would be for a championship game . But as said before in respect of this situation I know nothing about it...it was just a general analysis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on May 28, 2008, 12:50:43 PM
heard colly murtagh from glenn is making a comeback against tyrone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on May 28, 2008, 01:09:03 PM
what in tiddly winks  ;D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on May 28, 2008, 02:17:22 PM
Apparently the closed doors decision was actually not a Cork decision.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 28, 2008, 02:21:50 PM
Is the Tyrone game on TV?  When will tickets be out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 28, 2008, 02:42:45 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 28, 2008, 02:21:50 PM
Is the Tyrone game on TV?  When will tickets be out?

as far as i know AM, the game is going to be on the bbc. with regards to the tickets, not sure when they will be out, but orders for tickets in our club had to be in last weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 28, 2008, 02:44:02 PM
Its the only Ulster game that is nt shown live.. tickets will be out early next week... did you contact Micheal Toner about getting one.. thats if your a member  :D
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 28, 2008, 02:48:58 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 28, 2008, 02:21:50 PM
Is the Tyrone game on TV?  When will tickets be out?

Clubs need to tell Séamus Walsh what they need by Friday...I'd imagine they will be available for collection on Wed night. Won't be as handy for me now that Hugh John's is gone. Saved me a run to the County Office :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 28, 2008, 03:49:54 PM
My membership was paid on time!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 28, 2008, 06:43:56 PM
My very reliable source says it is very tight at the minute for midfield between Jackie and Colgan but that Colgan is shading it

Wouldn't like to see it myself but no matter

No doubt that andym an riocht fella will be on soon to put us all to rights!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on May 28, 2008, 07:31:36 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on May 28, 2008, 06:43:56 PM
My very reliable source says it is very tight at the minute for midfield between Jackie and Colgan but that Colgan is shading it

Wouldn't like to see it myself but no matter

No doubt that andym an riocht fella will be on soon to put us all to rights!

sorry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 28, 2008, 08:44:00 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on May 28, 2008, 07:31:36 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on May 28, 2008, 06:43:56 PM
My very reliable source says it is very tight at the minute for midfield between Jackie and Colgan but that Colgan is shading it

Wouldn't like to see it myself but no matter

No doubt that andym an riocht fella will be on soon to put us all to rights!

sorry?

What you sorry for Charles?

Poster on the board called andym or something from an riocht, am I not allowed to mention him? Sorry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 28, 2008, 09:31:27 PM
The rumours about Colgan are increasing, and it would be great if Murphy is in as well. Rafferty would surely be a better bet than Howard, and it is hard to see Rogers being left on the bench. It could all mean something like this.

McVeigh; Rafferty (or Howard), Murney,Cole; Carr,Murphy, Doyle; Gordon, Colgan: Murtagh, Rogers,Hughes; Clarke,Coulter,Sexton.

Sexton would probably drop deep, Rogers would be in and around midfield and the remaining four forwards would switch as needed.
McComiskey would appear fairly soon after the break, with McKernan the next option. I think we could do worse than give this a go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 29, 2008, 06:14:33 AM
People suggesting that McComiskey should start on the bench totally baffles me. Now this isnt a blinkered view from a clubmate but an honest opinion. In my view he is currently our second biggest scoring threat behind Benny. All this shite about bringing him on after the break is ridiculous. We could be at trailing by 7 to 9 points at this stage. That would put unecessary pressure on any forward coming off the bench.
If we are to keep up with Tyrone we need a good start and try to match them for every other score. McComiskey thrives in these games and should be put in from the start. Just remember the Meath game last year. Carr left it too late and brought him on and he had little effect.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 29, 2008, 08:47:25 AM
Omagh will be an intimidating place, and McComiskey, as probably the smallest player in the Down squad and one with a big reputation,will be targeted. He can look after himself, and is capable of making an impact at any stage, but starting him for the first time ever in a championship match would be a huge risk. If things went wrong, his confidence would be hammered. The idea that he would single-handedly keep Down in the game, rather than nine points behind early in the second half, is unrealistic, to put it mildly. He was certainly brought on too late against Meath, but that match,in which we failed to score from play after the first minute, had long since been lost. If he appears after 45 or 50 minutes, and the tie is in the balance, everyone will get a huge lift and anything could happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on May 29, 2008, 09:28:44 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 28, 2008, 09:31:27 PM
The rumours about Colgan are increasing, and it would be great if Murphy is in as well. Rafferty would surely be a better bet than Howard, and it is hard to see Rogers being left on the bench. It could all mean something like this.

McVeigh; Rafferty (or Howard), Murney,Cole; Carr,Murphy, Doyle; Gordon, Colgan: Murtagh, Rogers,Hughes; Clarke,Coulter,Sexton.
Sexton would probably drop deep, Rogers would be in and around midfield and the remaining four forwards would switch as needed.
McComiskey would appear fairly soon after the break, with McKernan the next option. I think we could do worse than give this a go.


I'd be happy enough with Mourne Rovers team , Keeping McComiskey as an impact sub is the way to go I think . Remember the lift Tyrone got when wee Peter ran down the steps of the stand the last day we were in Omagh . No need to show our full hand from the start , anyway J Clarke and Benny will give the Tyrone defence plenty . Depending on good ball in of course .
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 29, 2008, 09:55:16 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 28, 2008, 09:31:27 PM
The rumours about Colgan are increasing, and it would be great if Murphy is in as well. Rafferty would surely be a better bet than Howard, and it is hard to see Rogers being left on the bench. It could all mean something like this.

McVeigh; Rafferty (or Howard), Murney,Cole; Carr,Murphy, Doyle; Gordon, Colgan: Murtagh, Rogers,Hughes; Clarke,Coulter,Sexton.

Sexton would probably drop deep, Rogers would be in and around midfield and the remaining four forwards would switch as needed.
McComiskey would appear fairly soon after the break, with McKernan the next option. I think we could do worse than give this a go.

Dunno about Murph at CHB lads. One of his strengths is going forward with the ball....however if we put him there he'll be too busy trying to watch McGuigan :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on May 29, 2008, 10:00:59 AM
Anyone thought about putting murney on mcguigan to man mark, drop doyle into full back likely on mcginley same size etc, with murphy,rafferty,murtagh enough ball carriers and deliverers in that line to get ball to the forwards and track back when needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 29, 2008, 10:46:01 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 29, 2008, 06:14:33 AM
People suggesting that McComiskey should start on the bench totally baffles me. Now this isnt a blinkered view from a clubmate but an honest opinion. In my view he is currently our second biggest scoring threat behind Benny. All this shite about bringing him on after the break is ridiculous. We could be at trailing by 7 to 9 points at this stage. That would put unecessary pressure on any forward coming off the bench.
If we are to keep up with Tyrone we need a good start and try to match them for every other score. McComiskey thrives in these games and should be put in from the start. Just remember the Meath game last year. Carr left it too late and brought him on and he had little effect.

I wuold like to see McComiskey start myself, have said it all year, the lad had always impressed me for down, the u21s and queens alike. Not seen him for club. But it looks like the management are going to keep using him as an impact sub and you can understand why as well, someone coming on with his pace and skill against a tiring back could do well as it did last year but as you say they would still need to be within touching distance and this is down to the other forwards starting.... McKernan looks good off the ebnch as well...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on May 29, 2008, 11:17:20 AM
Quote from: downredblack on May 29, 2008, 09:28:44 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 28, 2008, 09:31:27 PM
The rumours about Colgan are increasing, and it would be great if Murphy is in as well. Rafferty would surely be a better bet than Howard, and it is hard to see Rogers being left on the bench. It could all mean something like this.

McVeigh; Rafferty (or Howard), Murney,Cole; Carr,Murphy, Doyle; Gordon, Colgan: Murtagh, Rogers,Hughes; Clarke,Coulter,Sexton.
Sexton would probably drop deep, Rogers would be in and around midfield and the remaining four forwards would switch as needed.
McComiskey would appear fairly soon after the break, with McKernan the next option. I think we could do worse than give this a go.


I'd be happy enough with Mourne Rovers team , Keeping McComiskey as an impact sub is the way to go I think . Remember the lift Tyrone got when wee Peter ran down the steps of the stand the last day we were in Omagh . No need to show our full hand from the start , anyway J Clarke and Benny will give the Tyrone defence plenty . Depending on good ball in of course .


are you comparing mc comiskey to peter canavan??? surely we should start with our strongest team and try to win it early rather than bringin on impact players when the game is beyond us. Its not that easy to come on and get straight into a game of this importance it will take 10-15 mins by which time its too late for them to have an impact on the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on May 29, 2008, 11:44:36 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on May 29, 2008, 11:17:20 AM
Quote from: downredblack on May 29, 2008, 09:28:44 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 28, 2008, 09:31:27 PM
The rumours about Colgan are increasing, and it would be great if Murphy is in as well. Rafferty would surely be a better bet than Howard, and it is hard to see Rogers being left on the bench. It could all mean something like this.

McVeigh; Rafferty (or Howard), Murney,Cole; Carr,Murphy, Doyle; Gordon, Colgan: Murtagh, Rogers,Hughes; Clarke,Coulter,Sexton.
Sexton would probably drop deep, Rogers would be in and around midfield and the remaining four forwards would switch as needed.
McComiskey would appear fairly soon after the break, with McKernan the next option. I think we could do worse than give this a go.


I'd be happy enough with Mourne Rovers team , Keeping McComiskey as an impact sub is the way to go I think . Remember the lift Tyrone got when wee Peter ran down the steps of the stand the last day we were in Omagh . No need to show our full hand from the start , anyway J Clarke and Benny will give the Tyrone defence plenty . Depending on good ball in of course .


are you comparing mc comiskey to peter canavan??? surely we should start with our strongest team and try to win it early rather than bringin on impact players when the game is beyond us. Its not that easy to come on and get straight into a game of this importance it will take 10-15 mins by which time its too late for them to have an impact on the game.


What do you think ?

I agree we should start our strongest side , and I think that the team named by Mourne Rover isn't far off it (Doyle at 6 ). We can debate starting McComisley or bringing him on to the cows come home , both options have their merits . But one thing Down will not do is win it early on , our chance of winning this is to be within touching distance going into the last 10 minutes and then I think the pace and skill of McComiskey could exploit any tiredness in the Tyrone back line .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 29, 2008, 12:00:18 PM
I'd say that it won't be far from this:

1. McVeigh

2. Howard
3. Cole
4. Rafferty

5. Murphy
6. Doyle
7. Carr

8. Colgan
9. Gordon

13. Sexton
10. Hughes
11. Rogers
12. Clarke

14. Coulter
15. Murtagh

With McComiskey, McGuigan and Murney the first 3 subs, and Coulter switching occasionally with Clarke.


I'd much rather see extra men in defence, but if we have to go out with 6 forwards, I'd be happy enough with this team.

Tyrone are hardly going to have a target man, or play super-direct football, so Cole might get away with playing full-back. My major concern would be that Tyrone's strongest line will undoubtedly be their half-forward line, and by the looks of things, we're going to face-off directly with an extremely attacking half-back line. Our half-forwards will no doubt get back to support, but when it's the likes of Hughes and Rogers (and Murtagh) doing so, it's more for nuisance value than defensive expertise.

If Down can stop Tyrone stopping Gordon from attacking the ball at midfield, we should dominate that sector...in which case we wouldn't be without a chance. Our forward line has to be worth 12+ points if given half the play or more. No doubt Harte's number one plan though is to stop Dan Gordon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA_Junkie on May 29, 2008, 12:33:27 PM
Second guessing the current managements team is next to impossible.  I don't think Colgan will get a starting place, I'd agree with most people that McComiskey probably won't start either.  McVeigh and Cole supposedly both dropped balls into their own net against Cork gifting them 6 points.  I've heard this from an over the fence watcher!  ;D  Maybe the concentration levels weren't as high as they should have been given it was a challenge game.  Paul Murphy has to start, he has really filled out and is as strong as a horse and has that agressive streak that Down really need.  If Aidan Carr isn't in the half back line he won't be playing. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 29, 2008, 02:10:43 PM
Lads from what i have seen this year, i don't really rate Murney and Colgan, i hope ross plays Benny on the forty, he has been playing some great stuff for us this year in his new role... which will leave John Clarke as our chief ball winner in the full forward line... ten days to the championship and we still have nt a clue about our full back line, thats where we are going to have problems i think! :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on May 29, 2008, 02:48:08 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 29, 2008, 02:10:43 PM
Lads from what i have seen this year, i don't really rate Murney and Colgan, i hope ross plays Benny on the forty, he has been playing some great stuff for us this year in his new role... which will leave John Clarke as our chief ball winner in the full forward line... ten days to the championship and we still have nt a clue about our full back line, thats where we are going to have problems i think! :(

To follow up on your suggestion T...  The team could look something like this...

1. McVeigh (management favourite but not mine)

2. Howard
3. Cole
4. Rafferty

5. Murphy
6. Doyle
7. Carr

8. Colgan / Rodgers / Lynch
9. Gordon

10. Hughes
11. Coulter
12. Murtagh

13. Clarke
14. Colgan / Rodgers / McKernan
15. Sexton

17 McComiskey 
18 & 19  Colgan / Rodgers / McKernan / Lynch
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 29, 2008, 03:16:53 PM
In fairness lads looking at prospective lineups there's fcuk all wrong with our forwards...all we need to do is find a Tommy McGovern or a Mark Turley in the next week or two and we're laughing  ;) ;).........BTW for all those Hogan Stand punters ask your da about Tommy McGovern and Mark Turley.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on May 29, 2008, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 29, 2008, 03:16:53 PM
In fairness lads looking at prospective lineups there's fcuk all wrong with our forwards...all we need to do is find a Tommy McGovern or a Mark Turley in the next week or two and we're laughing  ;) ;).........BTW for all those Hogan Stand punters ask your da about Tommy McGovern and Mark Turley.

Indeed... we can but dream  8)
Those boys back in the '80s would not have conceded the goals that the current defence is leaking.  That is the single most worry with the current Down team.  16 goals conceded so far this year, and we have not even gone to Omagh yet!   6 conceded in the Dr McKenna Cup (which we won!)  and 10 in Division 3 of the League (where we finished 3rd)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 29, 2008, 08:47:59 PM
The 1980s teams with Tommy McGovern and Mark Turley also had Paddy Kennedy at full back, who was the only one of the three to win an All Star (1981). In the 60s, we had Leo Murphy and Dan McCartan, and in the 90s Conor Deegan and Brian Burns. We have a fantastic tradition at in the number 3 jersey,which makes it all the more frustrating that the supply line has dried up over the last decade.  I would say McGovern was just about the pick of the bunch, as he was a natural captain and also outstanding at corner back and midfield, so he must be the best Down player never to win an all Ireland. I remember a league game at Newry about 25 years ago when he turned up late after working all night at Warrenpoint docks. Down struggled, he was sent on as a sub and still ended up as the man of the match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 29, 2008, 09:29:16 PM
ACHL Div1
Ballela 0.14 Ballycran 3.13

First half Ballycran lead 0.6 to 1.8 at half time Aidan Clarke scoring their goal just before half time. Middle of the second half Ballycran's Paul Keith got a straight red and a la the Kilclief match instead of us seizing the initiative Ballycran scored two soft tap-in goals. Poor match with alot of stoppages, 2 umpires & 1 player sent off and a number of injuries. Jonny Mc Cusker had a another good game for us, i'd say he's averaging 10pts a match so far in the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on May 29, 2008, 10:27:45 PM
2 Umpires sent off? What was that about?

Jonny McCusker stands out at this level & Im not surprised he is doing the business for Ballela.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 30, 2008, 12:00:55 AM
First umpire was a Ballela man, one of our players went round the keeper and was taken down, i thought it was a penalty, then with the player on the ground there was some swinging and the lad got his head split. Ref gave a throw ball. Umpire was animated, said it was a joke etc and got the line. Second half a Cran umpire was mouthin, f'in and blindin about a decision, shouting he hadnt a clue and was a disgrace to the county. Ref went to take his name and he was shouted that he wasn't even a paid member of the club, never gave his name and walked off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mhic Easmuint on May 30, 2008, 12:12:43 AM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trouble Ahead on May 30, 2008, 08:56:35 AM
Have tried to post this on Hogan in our section and they have blocked it all week.

" Conflict of Interest"

How can Ray Matthews referee our Minor Hurlers this Sunday, When his Brother in law is the Armagh coach "Rogie", and he coaches the Armagh goalkeepers-- What are Ulster Council thinking. I am not saying it would be deliberate, but i would hate to see a crunch decision in the last few minutes!! He is a good referee i hear, but how he should have withdrawn from the game!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 30, 2008, 09:54:08 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on May 30, 2008, 12:00:55 AM
Ref went to take his name and he was shouted that he wasn't even a paid member of the club, never gave his name and walked off.

doesn't matter, Ballycran are stil responsible for him whether he's a paid up member or not.


As for Ray Matthews, he certainly is in a no win situation and probably shouldn't be refereeing the game if he's an Armagh goalkeeping coach. Saying that I've never had reason to question his integrity and impartiality whilst refereeing Down hurlers unlike a few other high profile Ulster hurling referees.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 30, 2008, 09:15:11 PM
St Michaels beat Bosco tonight. Were losing by six points at half time and turned it around
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 30, 2008, 09:18:49 PM
ACFL DIV3

Drumgath 1-10
Teconnaught 3-4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDunYeGo on May 30, 2008, 09:30:18 PM
Carryduff beat Bredagh by 2

anyone know how glasdrumman got on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on May 30, 2008, 09:40:12 PM
RGU 1-13
Kilclief 1-4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 30, 2008, 09:54:23 PM
Mayobridge 2-15 Loughinisland 1-8.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on May 30, 2008, 10:02:22 PM
Glasdrumman beat Glenn by 2 points in a bizarre game of footbal, marred by the card happy referee who felt it more important to show his authority rather than contributing to the flow of the game.

Glenn had the better of the first half and led by 3 points at half time. In the second half Glenn struck a goal and that was to be their final score. The ref in fairness gave Glenn quite a lot of soft frees up until that point but proceeded to present Glasdrumman with a plethora of scoreable frees. The introduction of Down minor connor harrison shortly after half time swung it in Glasdrumman's favour, converting some fine scores. Glenn, who had been doing well, lost the midfield battle after Cormac Murphy was move from 14 to 11 and started to dominate break ball and supply Harrison.

On the ref note, the game ended about 20 minutes later than it would have due to his needless stopping of the game to tell people "I'm in charge". He sent off Colm Murtagh for querying a decision. said he told him to f**k off which he did not. prior to this he sent off a Glasdruman selector and also a Glenn coach. After the game, having been approached by some officials of both teams, he told Glenn that they threw the game away and not to blame him goading officials calling them nothing other than water boys. He ruined the game for both sides and was a disgrace.

Glasdrumman deserved their win though. Glenn stopped after their third goal and just took the wrong options in front of goal when their chances arrived. and young harrison is one to look out for. However, weren't tonight's games starred? How does that apply to minors?

Final Score
Glenn 3-05
Glasdrumman 0-16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on May 30, 2008, 10:03:12 PM
Tullylsih beat Dundrum well
Ballymartin 3-11 Darragh Cross 2-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 30, 2008, 10:18:50 PM
Drumaness 0-14 St. Paul's 2-08

first away points of Division 3 for us, and well earned too. we were 6-1 down after about 20 minutes, got 1-3 just before half time to go in a point ahead.

second half we kept battling and got a free at the death to earn the point. ref bottled it after the Drumaness full forward knocked our FB out cold with a Judas punch.

Drumaness could have sealed the win just before our last score but the corner forward somehow sliced the shot wide.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 30, 2008, 11:01:16 PM
Congrats St Pauls on your 1st away points. 
Don't like to hear about 'Judas punches' but they do happen and a few bad apples in the Drumanness camp are capable of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 30, 2008, 11:10:23 PM
Bryansford 0.15 Annaclone 0.09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 30, 2008, 11:38:30 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on May 30, 2008, 11:01:16 PM
Congrats St Pauls on your 1st away points. 
Don't like to hear about 'Judas punches' but they do happen and a few bad apples in the Drumanness camp are capable of it.

cheers Onion, good to get them and nice to keep a clean sheet away from home too!!  ;D
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 31, 2008, 02:04:55 AM
Harps bt An Riocht easily...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on May 31, 2008, 05:21:54 AM
bridge beat loughinisland by ten points,  missing 7 from their starting 15,  it was their best win to date. its just good to see the young lads are well capable of playing at this level!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 31, 2008, 08:06:44 AM
Great win for the lads, without the county minors and seniors I thought we might have struggled but we had a great showing from the other minors.  Shane O'Hare and Pluggy were in great form.  Watch out for Pluggys point 2mins 30ish into the video.

Depending on your internet connection you might have the option to watch it in slightly higher quality.  Click "watch in high quality" just below the video pane if the option is available.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-kGB_KbAoNI (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-kGB_KbAoNI)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on May 31, 2008, 09:16:19 AM
Quote from: stpauls on May 30, 2008, 11:38:30 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on May 30, 2008, 11:01:16 PM
Congrats St Pauls on your 1st away points. 
Don't like to hear about 'Judas punches' but they do happen and a few bad apples in the Drumanness camp are capable of it.

cheers Onion, good to get them and nice to keep a clean sheet away from home too!!  ;D

Saul bt mitchells by a point
On the judas punch theme, when we played them p rogan headbutted a player the ref only give him a yellow card even though he was pulling our players tooth out of his forehead he then got another yellow for swinging a punch at the midfielder talk about ref bottling it a JOKE.
Also on a lighter note Kilclief got bt well by DPK :D :D :D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on May 31, 2008, 09:42:49 AM
mallon.   missed noels goal again?  mickey walsh and gavin barry were also missing.  pluggy is flying at the minute,  best i've seen him play for a long time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on May 31, 2008, 10:06:35 AM
clann na banna 3-4 warrenpoint 1-10.

a point we didnt deserve. in truth warrenpoint were the better team although we did have a great chance to win it with the last kick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 31, 2008, 11:06:07 AM
Crap so I did.  I'll upload it again duno what happened there.

With or without the music???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on May 31, 2008, 11:15:17 AM

Loughinisland number 14 looks good.





with better music
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on May 31, 2008, 12:33:55 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 30, 2008, 11:10:23 PM
Bryansford 0.15 Annaclone 0.09

Spirit, what did you think of the game last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 31, 2008, 12:54:31 PM
the Bridge really impressed last night, the tackling and link up play was first class.... we started three minors,  Keith Quinn scored a point from midfield, we took on another  who scored a point, great to see these lads giving us a great injection, i really have high hopes for next weeks minors side because if these some of these minors cant meke it then we must be good!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on May 31, 2008, 01:16:22 PM
Is there much interest in Down ahead of the game next week? With the game not being shown live will many travel to Omagh? Has the makings of a decent game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on May 31, 2008, 01:38:50 PM
does anyone know were the dates are for the club championships this year, for both codes. saw the draw but couldnt see any dates.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 31, 2008, 02:11:15 PM
Burren 0.9 Rostrevor 2.9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 31, 2008, 02:14:26 PM
Stone 0.13 Town 1.8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trouble Ahead on May 31, 2008, 03:19:05 PM
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Have tried to post this on Hogan in our section and they have blocked it all week.

" Conflict of Interest"

How can Ray Matthews referee our Minor Hurlers this Sunday, When his Brother in law is the Armagh coach "Rogie", and he coaches the Armagh goalkeepers-- What are Ulster Council thinking. I am not saying it would be deliberate, but i would hate to see a crunch decision in the last few minutes!! He is a good referee i hear, but how he should have withdrawn from the game! 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 31, 2008, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on May 31, 2008, 01:16:22 PM
Is there much interest in Down ahead of the game next week? With the game not being shown live will many travel to Omagh? Has the makings of a decent game.

Bus load of us heading to the match...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 31, 2008, 09:16:44 PM
30th May
First Div Results

Liatriom 1.10 Clonduff 2.13
Burren 0.9 Rostrevor 2.9
Saval 1.6 Kilcoo 3.10
Ballyholland 2.11 An Riocht 0.11
Longstone 0.13 Castlewellan 1.8
Mayobridge 2.15 Loughinisland 1.8

P   W   D   L   Pts   SD   Teams
7   7   0   0   14    50   Mayobridge
7   5   0   2   10     8   Clonduff
7   4   1   2   9    35   Kilcoo
7   4   0   3   8     4   Burren
7   4   0   3   8    -1   Longstone
7   4   0   3   8    -8   Loughinisland
7   3   1   3   7   -11   Rostrevor
7   2   2   3   6    -7   Saval
7   2   1   4   5    -3   Castlewellan
7   2   1   4   5    -5   Ballyholland
7   1   0   6   2   -19   Liatriom
7   1   0   6   2   -43   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: water boy on June 01, 2008, 01:48:59 AM
Who was Loughinisland number 14 versus Mayobridge took sum fine scores and very comfortable on the ball??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 01, 2008, 02:43:49 AM
Loughinisand No 14 is Jamie O Reilly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on June 01, 2008, 11:39:23 AM
Good player, Jamie OReilly. Could he not even make the County U 21 side? Best player on the pitch on friday night!

Is the down match not even on RTE next week? BBC aren't showing it till seven that night!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 01, 2008, 11:43:34 AM
Down ACFL Division 2

Dundrum 2-05  Tullylish 3-16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on June 01, 2008, 11:48:21 AM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on June 01, 2008, 11:39:23 AM
Good player, Jamie OReilly. Could he not even make the County U 21 side? Best player on the pitch on friday night!

Is the down match not even on RTE next week? BBC aren't showing it till seven that night!

No its definately not on live. Im happy enough as it should help to ensure a full house.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 01, 2008, 11:52:13 AM
Weekending 3rd June 2008

ACFL Div 1
Mayobridge 2 15 Loughinisland 1 08
Liatroim 1 10 Clonduff 2 13
Saval 1 06 Kilcoo 3 10
Burren 0 09 Rostrevor 2 09
Longstone 0 13 Castlewellan 1 08
Ballyholland 2 11 An Riocht 0 11

ACFL Div 2
Attical 2 06 Shamrocks 1 13
Ballymartin 3 11 Darragh Cross 2 11
Clann na Banna 3 04 Warrenpoint 1 10
Dundrum 2 05 Tullylish 3 16
Downpatrick 1 13 Kilclief 1 04
Annaclone 0 09 Bryansford 0 15

ACFL Div 3
Drumaness 0 14 St Pauls 2 08
Drumgath 1 10 Teconnaught 3 04
Mitchels 0 10 Saul 1 08
St Micheals 1 04 St John Bosco 2 08
Bredagh 0 10 Carryduff 1 09
Glenn 3 05 Glassdrumman 0 16

ACFL Div 4
Bright OFF St Johns
Ballykinlar 0 07 Dromara 2 18
Aghaderg 5 17 Aughlisnafinn 0 07

ACFL Div 3
Saul 1 08 Drumgath 1 13

ACPRL Div 1
Kilcoo 3 10 An Riocht 0 03
Liatroim 0 07 Castlewellan 2 02
Rostrevor 2 18 Downpatrick 0 06
Bryansford 2 08 Burren 1 15
Clonduff 1 06 Mayobridge 1 10

ACPRL Div 2
Tullylish 1 15 Bredagh1 09
Ballymartin1 07 Longstone 0 11
Saval 0 14 Annaclone 0 10
Kilclief 0 08 Carryduff 1 07
Loughinisland 1 14 Warrenpoint 0 07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 01, 2008, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on June 01, 2008, 11:39:23 AM
Good player, Jamie OReilly. Could he not even make the County U 21 side? Best player on the pitch on friday night!

Is the down match not even on RTE next week? BBC aren't showing it till seven that night!

Go to the match then watch it later and try to spot yourself, fun for all the family
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 01, 2008, 02:31:48 PM
Quote from: the milkman on May 28, 2008, 08:19:36 AM
Anybody got a clue what the Down team against tyrone will be?

Id like to see this team:

1. B McViegh
2. L Howard
3. C Murney (may be small but best option in my opion)
4. M Cole
5. D Rafferty
6. L Doyle
7. A Carr
8. J Colgan
9. D Gordan
10. D Hughes
11. A Rodgers
12. K McKernan
13. J Clarke
14. B Coulter
15. P McComiskey

Also gives the option to bring on experienced players such as Sexton, Murtagh, Murphy (possible as sweeper if tyrone launch high ball)

Noone ever pays any heed to your teams milkman!! Probably because you can't spell mcveigh!

Na don't agree with Murney getting full back though, hasn't impressed whenever I have seen him, though to be honest haven;t seen a great lot of him.

Would put Murtagh in ahead of McKernan with McKernan a good optionj from the bench in the seconf half maybe...

Would rather see Murphy starting as well, maybe half back with dee rafferty going to the ful back line, but who to take out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 01, 2008, 02:46:21 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on May 30, 2008, 09:15:11 PM
St Michaels beat Bosco tonight. Were losing by six points at half time and turned it around

Quote from: DownFanatic on June 01, 2008, 11:52:13 AM
Weekending 3rd June 2008

ACFL Div 3
St Micheals 1 04 St John Bosco 2 08

so much for St. Michael's beating Bosco!!  ;D were you watching the same match?  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 01, 2008, 04:12:51 PM
Quote from: stpauls on June 01, 2008, 02:46:21 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on May 30, 2008, 09:15:11 PM
St Michaels beat Bosco tonight. Were losing by six points at half time and turned it around

Quote from: DownFanatic on June 01, 2008, 11:52:13 AM
Weekending 3rd June 2008

ACFL Div 3
St Micheals 1 04 St John Bosco 2 08

so much for St. Michael's beating Bosco!!  ;D were you watching the same match?  ;)

Three of my cousins were playing for St Micks, I was talking to two different people who watched the match, and also texting a couple of lads I know from the bosco, St Micks definitely won!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 01, 2008, 04:58:01 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 01, 2008, 04:12:51 PM
Quote from: stpauls on June 01, 2008, 02:46:21 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on May 30, 2008, 09:15:11 PM
St Michaels beat Bosco tonight. Were losing by six points at half time and turned it around

Quote from: DownFanatic on June 01, 2008, 11:52:13 AM
Weekending 3rd June 2008

ACFL Div 3
St Micheals 1 04 St John Bosco 2 08

so much for St. Michael's beating Bosco!!  ;D were you watching the same match?  ;)

Three of my cousins were playing for St Micks, I was talking to two different people who watched the match, and also texting a couple of lads I know from the bosco, St Micks definitely won!

someone from St. Michael's may get in contact with the county board then!! looks like someone has made a huge boo boo!! i could see it if the final score was close but that was double scores!! BTW, i would have though Micks would have won that easily myself!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 01, 2008, 05:15:05 PM
Apparently they were a good bit down at half time but they def won yeah, Larko missed a penalty for the bosco as well I believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on June 01, 2008, 06:38:57 PM
was at bosco st michaels game bosco 9 up at one stage beat by 3 missed a pen and was big turing point that and neil sweeney going to midfield 4 the second half he lorded it.could be vital 2 points 4 them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 01, 2008, 07:45:10 PM
ACHL Div1 3rd June 7 30
Ballycran v Liatroim
Ballygalget v Ballela
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Portaferry v Bredagh
ACHL Div 2
Ballyvarley v Ballygalget
Clonduff v Ballycran
Warrenpoint v Portaferry
Thurs 5th June 7 30
ACFL Div 1
Rostrevor v Ballyholland(L Smyth)
Loughinisland v Saval(E MC Elroy)
ACFL Div 3
St Pauls v Drumgath(E Mulvenna)
Carryduff v Glenn(P O Rielly)
ACFL Div 4
Aughlisnafinn v St Johns(C Mc Alinden)
Friday 6th June 7 30
ACFL Div 1
Clonduff v Mayobridge(G Brannigan)
An Riocht v Longstone(L Morgan)
Castlewellan v Burren(D Laverty)
Kilcoo v Liatroim(A Grant)
ACFL Div 2
Darragh Cross v Attical(M Lynch)
Bryansford v Downpatrick(B Rice)
Kilclief v Dundrum(P Brannigan)
Shamrocks v Clanna na Banna(M Devlin)
Warrenpoint v Ballymartin(S Flynn)
Tullylish v Annaclone(C Broderick)
ACFL Div 3
Teconnaught v Mitchels(G Tumelty)
Saul v St Micheals(P D Doyle)
St John Bosco v Bredagh(E Mc Grath)
Glassdrumman v Ardglass(N Morgan)
ACFL Div 4
Ballykinlar v Bright(M Curran)
Dromara v Aghaderg(D Moore)
Results
ACPRL Div 1
Liatroim 3 09 Downpatrick 0 08
Bryansford 2 11 An Riocht 2 06
Burren 4 06 Kilcoo 3 12
Rostrevor 0 16 Clonduff 0 10
Castlewellan 0 12 Mayobridge 0 18
ACPRL Div 2
Kilclief 2 04 Bredagh 0 17
Carryduff 0 10 Tullylish 2 07
Loughinisland 2 12 Saval 2 12
Longstone w/o Warrenpoint d/f
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the ground on June 01, 2008, 09:55:01 PM
anyone know the ref for the tyrone game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on June 01, 2008, 09:57:20 PM
EDRFL: Teconnaght 1-07 St Pauls 1-15...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on June 02, 2008, 09:00:33 AM
EDRFL: St Johns & Saul drew
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 02, 2008, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on June 01, 2008, 06:38:57 PM
was at bosco st michaels game bosco 9 up at one stage beat by 3 missed a pen and was big turing point that and neil sweeney going to midfield 4 the second half he lorded it.could be vital 2 points 4 them

aye heard big sween turned the game poucher
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 02, 2008, 12:23:01 PM
Throw in times for Sunday's games have changed. Notification from the County Board:

DOWN V TYRONE
ULSTER FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2008
Healy Park, Omagh - Sunday 8th June
SENIOR GAME - Down v Tyrone - 3.45 p.m.**
MINOR GAME - Down v Tyrone - 2.00 p.m.**
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on June 02, 2008, 02:05:35 PM
did anybody o over to casement yesterday to watch either of the hurling matches?  big score for the minors. how do you think they will do in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 02, 2008, 02:12:28 PM
I went up to watch the seniors and the f**kers charged me £15 in!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 02, 2008, 04:19:33 PM
Quote from: No1 on June 02, 2008, 02:12:28 PM
I went up to watch the seniors and the f**kers charged me £15 in!
They were only charging a tenner when I was there No 1! There must be a special rate for the Kilclief lads?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the ground on June 02, 2008, 04:49:36 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on June 02, 2008, 02:05:35 PM
did anybody o over to casement yesterday to watch either of the hurling matches?  big score for the minors. how do you think they will do in the final.

good to hear the hughes nd niall donnelly on the team, wer they playin?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 03, 2008, 12:05:01 AM
Quote    I went up to watch the seniors and the f**kers charged me £15 in!.
This reduced rate is too help further the promotion of Hurling in the weaker counties
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on June 03, 2008, 09:20:40 AM
ACFL4 Bright 0-08 St Johns 2-09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 03, 2008, 10:09:38 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on June 03, 2008, 09:20:40 AM
ACFL4 Bright 0-08 St Johns 2-09

Johnnie, how you's doing this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 03, 2008, 10:35:22 AM
No1, will you be in attendance down in St Malachy's Park on Friday night? Cant remember the last time we played you's competitively. It's going to be a four pointer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on June 03, 2008, 10:38:57 AM
Df its a give me
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 03, 2008, 10:50:24 AM
Off the Laces you are hilarious.  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on June 03, 2008, 11:13:37 AM
Quote from: stpauls on June 03, 2008, 10:09:38 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on June 03, 2008, 09:20:40 AM
ACFL4 Bright 0-08 St Johns 2-09

Johnnie, how you's doing this year?

Going well so far, 7 out of 7.  Last nights win puts Bright out of contention I would say.  they are not the team they were a couple of years ago.  Great setup they have though with their new pitch, anything would be better than the old setup in Killough.

Aghaderg and Dromara are the nearest challengers, they play each other on Friday night which will go a long way to deciding who will remain in contention.  Only 1/3 of the way through the league so a long way to go yet.  they each have 5 wins out of 7, we have beaten Aghaderg twice, with Dromara having lost to ourselves and Aghaderg in the previous round.  As it is a 4 way league, we still have Aghaderg to play twice and Dromara 3 times so these will be the key games for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 03, 2008, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on June 03, 2008, 11:13:37 AM
Quote from: stpauls on June 03, 2008, 10:09:38 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on June 03, 2008, 09:20:40 AM
ACFL4 Bright 0-08 St Johns 2-09

Johnnie, how you's doing this year?

Going well so far, 7 out of 7.  Last nights win puts Bright out of contention I would say.  they are not the team they were a couple of years ago.  Great setup they have though with their new pitch, anything would be better than the old setup in Killough.

Aghaderg and Dromara are the nearest challengers, they play each other on Friday night which will go a long way to deciding who will remain in contention.  Only 1/3 of the way through the league so a long way to go yet.  they each have 5 wins out of 7, we have beaten Aghaderg twice, with Dromara having lost to ourselves and Aghaderg in the previous round.  As it is a 4 way league, we still have Aghaderg to play twice and Dromara 3 times so these will be the key games for us.

have you's been told what way promotion is going this year, ie 1 or 2 teams up, playoffs or just straight up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 03, 2008, 11:25:30 AM
Any truth that demand for tickets is very low?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 03, 2008, 11:26:43 AM
QuoteNo1, will you be in attendance down in St Malachy's Park on Friday night? Cant remember the last time we played you's competitively. It's going to be a four pointer.

 The way things are at the minute I might be out on the pitch!  

 Massive game for us but we are at a really low ebb.  

 A long injury list (latest one being a double leg break at the hurling last Saturday night) combined with our coach jacking it in after last Friday night's result leaves us in a bad spot.

 Still, it could be worse, you could be from S*ul.  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on June 03, 2008, 11:38:32 AM
Quote from: stpauls on June 03, 2008, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on June 03, 2008, 11:13:37 AM
Quote from: stpauls on June 03, 2008, 10:09:38 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on June 03, 2008, 09:20:40 AM
ACFL4 Bright 0-08 St Johns 2-09

Johnnie, how you's doing this year?

Going well so far, 7 out of 7.  Last nights win puts Bright out of contention I would say.  they are not the team they were a couple of years ago.  Great setup they have though with their new pitch, anything would be better than the old setup in Killough.

Aghaderg and Dromara are the nearest challengers, they play each other on Friday night which will go a long way to deciding who will remain in contention.  Only 1/3 of the way through the league so a long way to go yet.  they each have 5 wins out of 7, we have beaten Aghaderg twice, with Dromara having lost to ourselves and Aghaderg in the previous round.  As it is a 4 way league, we still have Aghaderg to play twice and Dromara 3 times so these will be the key games for us.

have you's been told what way promotion is going this year, ie 1 or 2 teams up, playoffs or just straight up?


Honestly dont know, going on the assumption that it is only the top position, but sure the county board will probably only decide this near the end of the league!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 03, 2008, 11:43:17 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on June 03, 2008, 11:38:32 AM
Quote from: stpauls on June 03, 2008, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on June 03, 2008, 11:13:37 AM
Quote from: stpauls on June 03, 2008, 10:09:38 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on June 03, 2008, 09:20:40 AM
ACFL4 Bright 0-08 St Johns 2-09

Johnnie, how you's doing this year?

Going well so far, 7 out of 7.  Last nights win puts Bright out of contention I would say.  they are not the team they were a couple of years ago.  Great setup they have though with their new pitch, anything would be better than the old setup in Killough.

Aghaderg and Dromara are the nearest challengers, they play each other on Friday night which will go a long way to deciding who will remain in contention.  Only 1/3 of the way through the league so a long way to go yet.  they each have 5 wins out of 7, we have beaten Aghaderg twice, with Dromara having lost to ourselves and Aghaderg in the previous round.  As it is a 4 way league, we still have Aghaderg to play twice and Dromara 3 times so these will be the key games for us.

have you's been told what way promotion is going this year, ie 1 or 2 teams up, playoffs or just straight up?


Honestly dont know, going on the assumption that it is only the top position, but sure the county board will probably only decide this near the end of the league!!

yeah, we know what that is like!! deciding what happens to suit their agenda, like last years playoff farce!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 03, 2008, 11:56:52 AM
Quote from: No1 on June 03, 2008, 11:26:43 AM
QuoteNo1, will you be in attendance down in St Malachy's Park on Friday night? Cant remember the last time we played you's competitively. It's going to be a four pointer.

 The way things are at the minute I might be out on the pitch!  

 Massive game for us but we are at a really low ebb.  

 A long injury list (latest one being a double leg break at the hurling last Saturday night) combined with our coach jacking it in after last Friday night's result leaves us in a bad spot.

 Still, it could be worse, you could be from S*ul.  


Theres only 2 Jose Mourhinos  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 03, 2008, 12:07:59 PM
QuoteTheres only 2 Jose Mourhinos 

I know how it reads! :D

It has got so bad that we are even letting an ex S*ul player transfer in, can you not hear that barrel being scraped? ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 03, 2008, 12:25:37 PM
Who's the ex-Saul player No1? I heard there was talk of Donnie Ritchie moving down your way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on June 03, 2008, 12:49:00 PM
It is Donnan Ritchie, was a good servart but alas he has turned to the dark side.
Hey No1 you fail to mention the fact that true to kilclief form you are all falling out with each other i cant wait to see you fail to get the 30% points the laughter will be heard in strangford ;D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on June 03, 2008, 02:00:20 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 03, 2008, 12:25:37 PM
Who's the ex-Saul player No1? I heard there was talk of Donnie Ritchie moving down your way.
Shows some ambition for someone who was being touted for the county last year even though he's living in DPK!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the ground on June 03, 2008, 02:38:54 PM
Quote from: imdagaffer on June 03, 2008, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 29, 2008, 12:00:18 PM
I'd say that it won't be far from this:

1. McVeigh

2. Howard
3. Cole
4. Rafferty

5. Murphy
6. Doyle
7. Carr

8. Colgan
9. Gordon

13. Sexton
10. Hughes
11. Rogers
12. Clarke

14. Coulter
15. Murtagh

With McComiskey, McGuigan and Murney the first 3 subs, and Coulter switching occasionally with Clarke.


I'd much rather see extra men in defence, but if we have to go out with 6 forwards, I'd be happy enough with this team.

Tyrone are hardly going to have a target man, or play super-direct football, so Cole might get away with playing full-back. My major concern would be that Tyrone's strongest line will undoubtedly be their half-forward line, and by the looks of things, we're going to face-off directly with an extremely attacking half-back line. Our half-forwards will no doubt get back to support, but when it's the likes of Hughes and Rogers (and Murtagh) doing so, it's more for nuisance value than defensive expertise.

If Down can stop Tyrone stopping Gordon from attacking the ball at midfield, we should dominate that sector...in which case we wouldn't be without a chance. Our forward line has to be worth 12+ points if given half the play or more. No doubt Harte's number one plan though is to stop Dan Gordon.


In fairness I dont think Colgan is the man for middle of the park. Id be going for Lynch or Rodgers, that said Rodgers has not go the physical presence that Lynch has.

colgan has come on a good bit, had a super game against derry in ulster final. lynch lacks pace. wat about grant at full back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 03, 2008, 02:44:54 PM
Grant isn't even on the panel this year!  He'd be as good if not better than any of the options mentioned and is playing some great stuff for the Bridge at the minute.

If Paul Murphy had been fit earlier in the season I'd like to have seen him tried at FB.  Its too late for an experiment like this now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on June 03, 2008, 02:51:56 PM
Quote from: off the ground on June 03, 2008, 02:38:54 PM
Quote from: imdagaffer on June 03, 2008, 02:05:54 PM

In fairness I dont think Colgan is the man for middle of the park. Id be going for Lynch or Rodgers, that said Rodgers has not go the physical presence that Lynch has.

colgan has come on a good bit, had a super game against derry in ulster final. lynch lacks pace. wat about grant at full back?

I was at that game too.  I would not have called his performance as "super". I thought that he was average that evening and not one of the better players on the day
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on June 03, 2008, 03:17:49 PM
Hurling league action tonight:

ACHL Div1
Ballycran v Liatroim - Ballycran to win easy
Ballygalget v Ballela - Ballela by a pt
Kilclief v Shamrocks - Newry by 5
Portaferry v Bredagh - Ports by 7/8

ACHL Div 2
Ballyvarley v Ballygalget - Ballyvarley
Clonduff v Ballycran - Draw
Warrenpoint v Portaferry - Point by 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on June 03, 2008, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: SCENTOFSAM on June 03, 2008, 02:00:20 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 03, 2008, 12:25:37 PM
Who's the ex-Saul player No1? I heard there was talk of Donnie Ritchie moving down your way.
Shows some ambition for someone who was being touted for the county last year even though he's living in DPK!!!!
Donnan lives in annacloy although he is going with a girl from strangford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on June 03, 2008, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: off the laces on June 03, 2008, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: SCENTOFSAM on June 03, 2008, 02:00:20 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 03, 2008, 12:25:37 PM
Who's the ex-Saul player No1? I heard there was talk of Donnie Ritchie moving down your way.
Shows some ambition for someone who was being touted for the county last year even though he's living in DPK!!!!
Donnan lives in annacloy although he is going with a girl from strangford
;D ;D ;D ;D lives in Russell Park and has done so for a long time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 03, 2008, 10:00:52 PM
Hurling results -

ACHL Div1
Ballycran 2-05 2-14 Liatroim
Ballygalget 3-13 1-09 Ballela
Kilclief 2-10 3-12 Shamrocks
Portaferry 3-09 0-09 Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the ground on June 03, 2008, 10:41:38 PM
Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2008, 02:51:56 PM
Quote from: off the ground on June 03, 2008, 02:38:54 PM
Quote from: imdagaffer on June 03, 2008, 02:05:54 PM

In fairness I dont think Colgan is the man for middle of the park. Id be going for Lynch or Rodgers, that said Rodgers has not go the physical presence that Lynch has.

colgan has come on a good bit, had a super game against derry in ulster final. lynch lacks pace. wat about grant at full back?

I was at that game too.  I would not have called his performance as "super". I thought that he was average that evening and not one of the better players on the day

people tend to scrutinise his performances alot more because he didnt excel from minor at the rate people expected, but hes a quality player and one with a winning mentality which can be lackin among the more senior players!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 03, 2008, 11:01:11 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballygalget 3-13 1-09 Ballela

That scoreline flatters us alot, Ballygalget walked it without getting into second gear. We struggle when we lose any player due to the size of our squad but we were missing 2 of our best 3 players tonight and possibly for the rest of the season, if not longer. South Down captain Dan Mc Cusker's going to London for a year for work and we may have lost Mal Magee with Clann na Banna pressurising him to give up the Hurling to concentrate on the football, hopefully we can get him back though. Great win for Liatroim, talking to a few of them on the ferry and they said they were short a few players too.

Quote from: western exile on June 03, 2008, 02:51:56 PM
Quote from: off the ground on June 03, 2008, 02:38:54 PM
Quote from: imdagaffer on June 03, 2008, 02:05:54 PM

In fairness I dont think Colgan is the man for middle of the park. Id be going for Lynch or Rodgers, that said Rodgers has not go the physical presence that Lynch has.

colgan has come on a good bit, had a super game against derry in ulster final. lynch lacks pace. wat about grant at full back?

I was at that game too.  I would not have called his performance as "super". I thought that he was average that evening and not one of the better players on the day

Didnt think he was that hot in the Ulster Final either, if he's playing midfield on Sunday and lets his man run while standing with his hands on his hips like against Derry then Down'l be sunk. Would agree about his winning mentality though, playing against and beating Tyrone teams isnt something new to him!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 04, 2008, 09:09:03 AM
QuoteQuote from: off the laces on June 03, 2008, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: SCENTOFSAM on June 03, 2008, 02:00:20 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 03, 2008, 12:25:37 PM
Who's the ex-Saul player No1? I heard there was talk of Donnie Ritchie moving down your way.

Shows some ambition for someone who was being touted for the county last year even though he's living in DPK!!!!

Donnan lives in annacloy although he is going with a girl from strangford

    lives in Russell Park and has done so for a long time

  I'd just like to clear something up.  Donie has moved to Strangford.

  As for the jibe about ambition, I take it the implication is that the RGU would be a much better prospect for any ambitious player, what a load of balls.

  Although the RGU stuffed us, the standard on view last Friday night would suggest that both teams are going nowhere fast.  Much of a muchness in my view.  Don't let your arrogance cloud your judgement though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 04, 2008, 10:09:29 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on June 03, 2008, 11:01:11 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballygalget 3-13 1-09 Ballela

That scoreline flatters us alot, Ballygalget walked it without getting into second gear. We struggle when we lose any player due to the size of our squad but we were missing 2 of our best 3 players tonight and possibly for the rest of the season, if not longer. South Down captain Dan Mc Cusker's going to London for a year for work and we may have lost Mal Magee with Clann na Banna pressurising him to give up the Hurling to concentrate on the football, hopefully we can get him back though. Great win for Liatroim, talking to a few of them on the ferry and they said they were short a few players too.


how's the fullbacks knee, he took a fair bit of a knock on it at the end?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: billy the kid on June 04, 2008, 12:17:59 PM
Tell me this as regards your county football team What about that lad Connor Gribben who came on in the McKenna cup final and scored  a goal he hasnt played a single minute since, is he any use at all?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 04, 2008, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: billy the kid on June 04, 2008, 12:17:59 PM
Tell me this as regards your county football team What about that lad Connor Gribben who came on in the McKenna cup final and scored  a goal he hasnt played a single minute since, is he any use at all?

at county level...... No
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on June 04, 2008, 03:00:08 PM
Quote from: amallon on June 03, 2008, 02:44:54 PM
Grant isn't even on the panel this year!  He'd be as good if not better than any of the options mentioned and is playing some great stuff for the Bridge at the minute.

If Paul Murphy had been fit earlier in the season I'd like to have seen him tried at FB.  Its too late for an experiment like this now.

Mallon, were you not at the bridge matches this year? Bridge man and all i am, Brendan Grant has had a poor start to the season. Rony Murtagh, John Clarke and Jamie OReilly all roasted him, even some other bridge people are saying the same! But he's still prob the best out there, Down just aren't blessed with a good full back.
Cant believe Shane OHare isn't on the panel, now he is a lad that is playing well, also Conor Garvey- the man can play anywhere! 8) 8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on June 04, 2008, 06:34:36 PM
is the down championship next week??if so could someone post venues games etc??cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 04, 2008, 08:02:42 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on June 04, 2008, 06:34:36 PM
is the down championship next week??if so could someone post venues games etc??cheers

championship doesn't start to august charlie!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on June 04, 2008, 08:33:44 PM
the senior championship is on next weekend all i know is that the bridge play clonduff in newry sunday evening
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 04, 2008, 08:36:55 PM
Quote from: superblues on June 04, 2008, 08:33:44 PM
the senior championship is on next weekend all i know is that the bridge play clonduff in newry sunday evening

sorry, my bad, thinking of the junior championship!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 04, 2008, 09:30:08 PM
Quote from: superblues on June 04, 2008, 08:33:44 PM
the senior championship is on next weekend all i know is that the bridge play clonduff in newry sunday evening

If Down are beat the SFC is w/e 20/6/08
If Down win the SFC is w/e 13/06/08
If draw and Tyrone win the replay SFC is w/e 27/6/08
If draw and Down win the replay SFC  is not known!

Great forward sight!
If Down get through on Sunday the Ulster semi is scheduled for Sunday 29/6/08 - hence the above dates.


Other games scheduled for c'ship weekend (whenever it is) are;
Friday evening Bryansford v Castlewellan in Downpatrick
Saturday evening Longstone v Liatroim in Newcastle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 04, 2008, 09:32:42 PM
Quote from: amallon on June 03, 2008, 11:25:30 AM
Any truth that demand for tickets is very low?

No great demand in Bryansford and Tyrone seems to be the same! County are selling terrace tickets tomorrow night in Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 04, 2008, 09:36:03 PM
Anyone know anything on our Minor panel?

Bryansford won Ulster U17 title (Paul McGirr Cup) last year and are unbeaten in the ACMFL yet not one player has made the squad! Am I missing something here? And they all attended trials as asked to do so....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on June 04, 2008, 09:45:21 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 04, 2008, 09:36:03 PM
Anyone know anything on our Minor panel?

Bryansford won Ulster U17 title (Paul McGirr Cup) last year and are unbeaten in the ACMFL yet not one player has made the squad! Am I missing something here? And they all attended trials as asked to do so....
Have no connection with Bryansford but cannot understand how young Clarke who is at the Red High is not featuring
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on June 04, 2008, 10:28:29 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 04, 2008, 09:32:42 PM
Quote from: amallon on June 03, 2008, 11:25:30 AM
Any truth that demand for tickets is very low?

No great demand in Bryansford and Tyrone seems to be the same! County are selling terrace tickets tomorrow night in Newry.

Could be a poor enough crowd. Hard to know what way the tickets are going but the fact they're on Ticketmaster and Down are selling them tomorrow night suggests ticket sales arent great. Strange considering it should be a decent match and it isnt on tv.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on June 04, 2008, 10:46:47 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 04, 2008, 09:36:03 PM
Anyone know anything on our Minor panel?

Bryansford won Ulster U17 title (Paul McGirr Cup) last year and are unbeaten in the ACMFL yet not one player has made the squad! Am I missing something here? And they all attended trials as asked to do so....

Cant get my head round that one either, Bryansford have some great minors as do Mayobridge who are also still unbeaten and there is only two from these two teams on the panel, they must have some team.
I think its the management, no harm to Dessie Kennedy but he hasn't got a clue, never did!!He wouldn't know how to change a light bulb never mind a game!  How do these people get the County job?? They won the all ireland with a great team and only just. Some of the minors from that year just laughed at him. Dont think Turley is much better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the ground on June 04, 2008, 11:10:06 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on June 04, 2008, 10:46:47 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 04, 2008, 09:36:03 PM
Anyone know anything on our Minor panel?

Bryansford won Ulster U17 title (Paul McGirr Cup) last year and are unbeaten in the ACMFL yet not one player has made the squad! Am I missing something here? And they all attended trials as asked to do so....

Cant get my head round that one either, Bryansford have some great minors as do Mayobridge who are also still unbeaten and there is only two from these two teams on the panel, they must have some team.
I think its the management, no harm to Dessie Kennedy but he hasn't got a clue, never did!!He wouldn't know how to change a light bulb never mind a game!  How do these people get the County job?? They won the all ireland with a great team and only just. Some of the minors from that year just laughed at him. Dont think Turley is much better.

he seemed to be blamin an average panel of players for the presumptive defeat to tyrone in the IN today, but in fairness tyrone undoubtably  have the better squad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on June 04, 2008, 11:13:59 PM
Quote from: off the ground on June 04, 2008, 11:10:06 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on June 04, 2008, 10:46:47 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 04, 2008, 09:36:03 PM
Anyone know anything on our Minor panel?

Bryansford won Ulster U17 title (Paul McGirr Cup) last year and are unbeaten in the ACMFL yet not one player has made the squad! Am I missing something here? And they all attended trials as asked to do so....

Cant get my head round that one either, Bryansford have some great minors as do Mayobridge who are also still unbeaten and there is only two from these two teams on the panel, they must have some team.
I think its the management, no harm to Dessie Kennedy but he hasn't got a clue, never did!!He wouldn't know how to change a light bulb never mind a game!  How do these people get the County job?? They won the all ireland with a great team and only just. Some of the minors from that year just laughed at him. Dont think Turley is much better.


he seemed to be blamin an average panel of players for the presumptive defeat to tyrone in the IN today, but in fairness tyrone undoubtably  have the better squad
Marks son managed to make the panel, and no harm to anyone he would struggle to make a good club minor squad but being on couny minor squad is good for the old uni cv!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 05, 2008, 09:47:27 AM
Bridge lad we'll have to agree to disagree about Grant I think he has had some great games this season.  I'll agree with you on Shane O'Hare and add Micheal Lively to that.  Both have imrpoved greatly over last season and continue to improve. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 05, 2008, 05:14:08 PM
Betting for tonight...

L'island 4/5 6/1 1/1 Saval
Rostrevor 2/5 6/1 Ballyholland 2/1

Any predictions?

doing the two outsiders myself
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 05, 2008, 09:35:05 PM
ACFL Division 3

St. Paul's 0-13 Drumgath 1-08

great gameof football this evening, we fought back from a 5 point deficit to take the 2 point victory.
that's 2 weeks in a row we have shown that we have what it takes to stay in division 3, we can only hope we carry this through the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 05, 2008, 09:36:00 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 05, 2008, 05:14:08 PM
Betting for tonight...

L'island 4/5 6/1 1/1 Saval
Rostrevor 2/5 6/1 Ballyholland 2/1

Any predictions?

doing the two outsiders myself

ONL Where did you get them odds??? Was looking to do Benny for first goal on Sunday but Boyles dont go that specific on line
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on June 05, 2008, 09:40:36 PM
Carryduff  D  D  Gleann
St Paul's  W  L  Drumgath   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 05, 2008, 09:58:49 PM
Maiden,
Are those real results?  If so two big surprises.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 05, 2008, 10:06:04 PM
FROM WEBSITE

Please find attached the Down Senior Football side to take on tyrone this Sunday in Omagh

1. Brendan McVeigh (An Ríocht)
2. Luke Howard (Ath Bhriain)
3. Martin Cole (Caisleán Ruairi)
4. Colm Murney (Caisleán Ruairi)
5. Aidan Carr (Cluain Daimh)
6. Liam Doyle (Liatroim)
7. Damien Rafferty (Seamrogai An Iuir)
8. Dan Gordon (Captain) (Loch An Oilean)
9. Jack Lynch (Droim Gath)
10. John Fegan (Cluain Daimh)
11. Ronan Murtagh (Baile Cholmain)
12. Danny Hughes (Sabhall)
13. John Clarke (An Ríocht)
14. Ronan Sexton (Droichead Mhaigh Eo)
15. Brendan Coulter (Droichead Mhaigh Eo)


MINOR
1. Colm Heaney (Seamrogai An Iuir), 2. Conor O Hare (Baile Ui Mhairtin), 3. Anton McArdle (Boireann), 4. Pauric O Rourke (Boireann), 5. Micheal Higgins (Baile Ui Mhairtin), 6. Gerard McNulty (Naomh Eoin), 7. Robbie White (Baile Cholmain), 8. Darren O Hagan (Cluain Daimh), 9. Conor Poland (Cloch Fhada), 10. Paul McPolin (Cluain Daimh), 11. Connaire Harrison (Glasdromainn), 12. Jarleth Brannigan (Dún Phadraig), 13. Ben O Reilly – Captain (Loch An Oilean), 14. Paul Devlin (Cill Chua), 15. Ryan Brady (Droichead Mhaigh Eo)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on June 05, 2008, 10:10:47 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on June 05, 2008, 09:58:49 PM
Maiden,
Are those real results?  If so two big surprises.

The St Pauls one is..Naomh Pol 0-13 Droim Gath 1-8.  Great performance from the guys, Looks like I am not going to get my place back in the team, but if they keep playing like that I be happy to wait until next season before being selected again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imdagaffer on June 05, 2008, 10:14:37 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 05, 2008, 10:06:04 PM
FROM WEBSITE

Please find attached the Down Senior Football side to take on tyrone this Sunday in Omagh

1. Brendan McVeigh (An Ríocht)
2. Luke Howard (Ath Bhriain)
3. Martin Cole (Caisleán Ruairi)
4. Colm Murney (Caisleán Ruairi)
5. Aidan Carr (Cluain Daimh)
6. Liam Doyle (Liatroim)
7. Damien Rafferty (Seamrogai An Iuir)
8. Dan Gordon (Captain) (Loch An Oilean)
9. Jack Lynch (Droim Gath)
10. John Fegan (Cluain Daimh)
11. Ronan Murtagh (Baile Cholmain)
12. Danny Hughes (Sabhall)
13. John Clarke (An Ríocht)
14. Ronan Sexton (Droichead Mhaigh Eo)
15. Brendan Coulter (Droichead Mhaigh Eo)


MINOR
1. Colm Heaney (Seamrogai An Iuir), 2. Conor O Hare (Baile Ui Mhairtin), 3. Anton McArdle (Boireann), 4. Pauric O Rourke (Boireann), 5. Micheal Higgins (Baile Ui Mhairtin), 6. Gerard McNulty (Naomh Eoin), 7. Robbie White (Baile Cholmain), 8. Darren O Hagan (Cluain Daimh), 9. Conor Poland (Cloch Fhada), 10. Paul McPolin (Cluain Daimh), 11. Connaire Harrison (Glasdromainn), 12. Jarleth Brannigan (Dún Phadraig), 13. Ben O Reilly – Captain (Loch An Oilean), 14. Paul Devlin (Cill Chua), 15. Ryan Brady (Droichead Mhaigh Eo)



What website?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 05, 2008, 10:18:38 PM
club emails were circulated at 9pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 05, 2008, 10:47:08 PM
The senior team is interesting in that Lynch and Fegan have force their way back in after dropping out of favour towards the end of the league. It's good to see Dee Rafferty back in, he is a cracking player and the right man to tag either Dooher or McGuigan. The half forward line is very dynamic, and I can see them spending a whole of time (along with Sexton) back in their own half.

But...from last year's experience, don't be surprised if the team that Ross names and the team that takes the field aren't quite the same thing.


Regarding the minors, can i just say, what a f**king forward line we have. Now the only question is, will they all pass the ball to each other? Fellas like that who are all used to being the main man might struggle a wee bit with the whole team concept. Here's hoping i'm wrong, for if they click, it could be amazing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 05, 2008, 10:48:18 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on June 05, 2008, 09:58:49 PM
Maiden,
Are those real results?  If so two big surprises.

Carryduff is correct as well. Talking to a lad who was at it, poor fare, duff missing a right few according to him.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 05, 2008, 10:51:04 PM
Oh and as for tonight's games, Rostrevor beat us by 4, and Loughinisland won by 2.

Rostrevor were the better side tonight, although we thoroughly dominated for 20 minutes of the second half and had plenty of chances to get back approaching level. The four point deficit nearly all arose from a superb team finished by Collie Clerkin just before halftime. Jarlath Farrell had an exceptional game for them, but generally speaking the standard wasn't great.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on June 05, 2008, 11:01:29 PM
ACFL4 aughlisnafin 0-02 st johns 3-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on June 06, 2008, 08:52:36 AM
Carr sideline appeal turned down 

Ross Carr was outspoken after the defeat by Fermanagh
Down manager Ross Carr will watch Sunday's Ulster SFC clash against Tyrone from the stands after his appeal against an eight-week ban was rejected.

Carr was suspensed for criticising a referee after his team's National League defeat by Fermanagh in April.

Carr's assistant DJ Kane is also banned from the Healy Park sidelines as the ban he is currently serving does not elapse until Tuesday.

Carr can making a further appeal to the Disputes Resolution Authority.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 06, 2008, 09:09:29 AM
Quote1. Brendan McVeigh (An Ríocht)
2. Luke Howard (Ath Bhriain)
3. Martin Cole (Caisleán Ruairi)
4. Colm Murney (Caisleán Ruairi)
5. Aidan Carr (Cluain Daimh)
6. Liam Doyle (Liatroim)
7. Damien Rafferty (Seamrogai An Iuir)
8. Dan Gordon (Captain) (Loch An Oilean)
9. Jack Lynch (Droim Gath)
10. John Fegan (Cluain Daimh)
11. Ronan Murtagh (Baile Cholmain)
12. Danny Hughes (Sabhall)
13. John Clarke (An Ríocht)
14. Ronan Sexton (Droichead Mhaigh Eo)
15. Brendan Coulter (Droichead Mhaigh Eo)

  It would hardly fill you full of confidence, but sure what the f**k about it, we'll go and support them to the hilt!

  5 Sams/Wobbs, what do yiz reckon about Murtagh at number 11?  Never really struck me as a playmaker, Mulholland usually sets them up for him to knock in!

  Good to see Hughes in confident mood in the IN this morning "we don't want to go down there and get thumped"  ::)

  Any suggestions for a decent bar before the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on June 06, 2008, 09:23:28 AM
Quote

  It would hardly fill you full of confidence, but sure what the f**k about it, we'll go and support them to the hilt!

  5 Sams/Wobbs, what do yiz reckon about Murtagh at number 11?  Never really struck me as a playmaker, Mulholland usually sets them up for him to knock in!

  Good to see Hughes in confident mood in the IN this morning "we don't want to go down there and get thumped"  ::)

  Any suggestions for a decent bar before the game?


to be fair i think thats the party line, dont think they'll be short on confidence, warranted or not...
Title: standard wasnt great!
Post by: goldenyears on June 06, 2008, 09:37:03 AM
wobs, it was probably one of the worst div1 games in down history! two v poor teams on that performance.

travelling on sunday for the craic, really dont know what to expect - probably thinking a 6 point defeat is about right

wouldnt it be great to travel with a settled side, playing a set system on the back of 2 or 3 wins
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 06, 2008, 10:11:20 AM
Got the odds from hughes bookies... Think it will have odds for tonight, I'll post up if I get any

Who won last night then??

You could do benny surely with most bookies but maybe the odds won't be up til today, try p power
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 06, 2008, 10:18:38 AM
Aye GY, quite a few fellas were on about it as a dreadful game of football. I don't remember it being that bad, It was fast moving and committed, if a little shapeless.

no.1 - I'd say we Ballyholland folk have seen Murtagh in the no.11 shirt maybe twice in five years, so we can't offer much more than you on this one. Playing defence last year for Down though definitely helped him play with his head up, which should help him in this position no end. He's never going to be Kieran McDonald in this position, floating 70-yard passes in, but he has the skill, desire and fitness to link defence and attack all day long.

lfDown - the last few time i've been in Omagh, Molly Sweeney's has been the ticket. It's a huge pub, with a large car park / beer garden and I think it's as close as you'll get to the ground.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 06, 2008, 10:19:13 AM
Just heard Rostrevor won by couple points, fella said ballyholland were useless! Thats my bet dicked anyway!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 06, 2008, 11:10:01 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 06, 2008, 10:19:13 AM
Just heard Rostrevor won by couple points, fella said ballyholland were useless! Thats my bet dicked anyway!

Did the fella also tell you that it took Rostrevor 24 minutes to score their first point in the second half.....Ballyholland were poor alright but Rostrevor were dire as well. Conor Daly came off the bench and kicked their only two scores of the 2nd half and won it for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 06, 2008, 02:29:29 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 06, 2008, 11:10:01 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 06, 2008, 10:19:13 AM
Just heard Rostrevor won by couple points, fella said ballyholland were useless! Thats my bet dicked anyway!

Did the fella also tell you that it took Rostrevor 24 minutes to score their first point in the second half.....Ballyholland were poor alright but Rostrevor were dire as well. Conor Daly came off the bench and kicked their only two scores of the 2nd half and won it for them.

I'll give you my mates number you can take it up with him! don't shoot the messenger!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 06, 2008, 02:57:40 PM
nail loney, whats the word on the mulvenna's transfers to ballyholland? the bosco are not signing  the forms i believe is that right?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 06, 2008, 03:18:19 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 06, 2008, 02:29:29 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 06, 2008, 11:10:01 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 06, 2008, 10:19:13 AM
Just heard Rostrevor won by couple points, fella said ballyholland were useless! Thats my bet dicked anyway!

Did the fella also tell you that it took Rostrevor 24 minutes to score their first point in the second half.....Ballyholland were poor alright but Rostrevor were dire as well. Conor Daly came off the bench and kicked their only two scores of the 2nd half and won it for them.

I'll give you my mates number you can take it up with him! don't shoot the messenger!!

Sorry Nail Loney I didnt mean to get a dig at you.....just wanted to put our side of the story
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 06, 2008, 05:00:30 PM
lads, i got the minors at 3/1 today in hughes, great bet i think!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 06, 2008, 05:33:50 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on June 06, 2008, 02:57:40 PM
nail loney, whats the word on the mulvenna's transfers to ballyholland? the bosco are not signing  the forms i believe is that right?

Noy hundred percent, I'll get in touch with mull after work see if he can spread any light...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 06, 2008, 06:13:54 PM
First goalscorer odds....

Coulter, Brendan     8/1    
Sexton, Ronan    12/1    
Clarke, John    12/1    
Murtagh, Ronan    16/1    
Hughes, Danny    20/1    
Fegan, John    20/1    
Gordon, Dan    20/1    
Lynch, John    33/1

Was maybe gonna back Carr seeing as he's hitting the penalties but noones offering any...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 06, 2008, 06:20:53 PM
Plus yeah just heard that the bosco are rejecting the transfers...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 06, 2008, 08:59:37 PM
Ardglass beat Glasdrumman by a point, Bredagh drew at Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on June 06, 2008, 09:05:46 PM
Darragh Cross 1-11 Attical 1-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on June 06, 2008, 09:22:49 PM
mayobridge beat clonduff by 9 ref was brutal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA_Junkie on June 06, 2008, 09:28:02 PM
I made it 10 points. 1.16 to 0.9.  Ref was brutal, the game could have boiled over a couple of times.  Laim Ward sent off for throwing a punch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 06, 2008, 09:52:29 PM
Down ACFL Division 2

Kilclief 1-16  Dundrum 2-08

Kilclief were very poor but they had the experience to hold on to the game at various stages. We are desperately struggling at this level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 07, 2008, 12:46:48 AM
6 June
Div one table

P   W   D   L   Pts   SD   Teams
8   8   0   0   16    60   Mayobridge
8   5   1   2   11    42   Kilcoo
8   5   0   3   10     2   Longstone
8   5   0   3   10    -2   Clonduff
8   5   0   3   10    -5   Loughinisland
8   4   1   3    9    -6   Rostrevor
8   4   0   4    8    -9   Burren
8   3   1   4    7    10   Castlewellan
8   2   2   4    6   -10   Saval
8   2   1   5    5   -10   Ballyholland
8   1   0   7    2   -26   Liatriom
8   1   0   7    2   -46   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on June 07, 2008, 09:49:48 AM
MAGHERLIN BEAT SAUL 1-16 TO 1-9 BRIAN SWEENEY SCORED 1-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 07, 2008, 12:14:51 PM
Castlewellan 1.19 Burren 1.6
Loughinisland 1.13 Saval 1.10
An Riocht 0.11 Longstone 1.11
Kilcoo 0.16 Liatriom 0.9
Clonduff 0.9 Mayobridge 1.16
Rostrevor 0.7 Ballyholland 1.9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 07, 2008, 01:38:42 PM
anybody got all the results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on June 07, 2008, 01:41:59 PM
Check 2day's Irish News, all Down results are in there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 07, 2008, 01:46:37 PM
Correction
Rostrevor 1.9 Ballyholland 0.7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 07, 2008, 03:28:00 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on June 07, 2008, 09:49:48 AM
MAGHERLIN BEAT SAUL 1-16 TO 1-9 BRIAN SWEENEY SCORED 1-8

you from maralin yeah charles?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 07, 2008, 03:29:54 PM
Clonduff v Mayobridge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WilwjSq2_I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WilwjSq2_I)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 07, 2008, 04:28:21 PM
is the down game televised 2mara?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 07, 2008, 04:45:28 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on June 07, 2008, 04:28:21 PM
is the down game televised 2mara?

DEFERRED COVERAGE BBC2 AT 7PM

SEE MAIN PAGE FOR ONLINE COVERAGE
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 07, 2008, 05:28:23 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 07, 2008, 04:45:28 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on June 07, 2008, 04:28:21 PM
is the down game televised 2mara?

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 07, 2008, 09:31:31 PM
What did you think of the game on Friday night No1?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 07, 2008, 10:04:50 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 07, 2008, 01:38:42 PM
anybody got all the results?
Thurs 5th June
ACFL Div 1
Rostrevor 1 09  Ballyholland 0 07
Loughinisland 1 13 Saval 1 10
ACFL Div 3
St Pauls 0 13  Drumgath 1 08
Carryduff 1 07 Glenn 1 07
ACFL Div 4
Aughlisnafinn 0 02  St Johns 3 13
Friday 6th June
ACFL Div 1
Clonduff 0 09 Mayobridge 1 16
An Riocht 0 11  Longstone 1 11
Castlewellan 1 19  Burren 1 06
Kilcoo 0 16 Liatroim 0 09
ACFL Div 2
Darragh Cross 1 11  Attical 1 07
Bryansford 2 16 Downpatrick 1 08
Kilclief 1 17 Dundrum 2 08
Shamrocks 2 13 Clanna na Banna 2 12
Warrenpoint 2 12   Ballymartin 1 05
Tullylish 1 11  Annaclone 2 15
ACFL Div 3
Teconnaught 0 07  Mitchels 0 05
Saul 1 09 St Micheals 1 16
St John Bosco 0 12 Bredagh 1 09
Glassdrumman 0 08 Ardglass 0 09
ACFL Div 4
Ballykinlar 0 09 Bright 5 10
Dromara 1 11  Aghaderg 1 11

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 08, 2008, 05:58:46 PM
Replay next Saturday 7pm in Newry.

Jerry Quinn said on 5FM there now that this weeks club fixtures will be a starred set.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imdagaffer on June 08, 2008, 10:50:26 PM
bit quiet on here this evening.... all stuck in the dam traffic coming out of omagh I assume!!

Down moved the ball very good in the 2nd half. 1st half was dire football!

Murph & McComiskey MUST start next day out......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on June 08, 2008, 11:08:40 PM
Add Ambrose to that list instead of Jack Lynch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 08, 2008, 11:23:26 PM
There's been very little talk about the injury time free which was given against McComiskey, but from where I was sitting it looked a clear foul by McGee. If that decision had gone our way, we would have won a game which for most of the first half seemed on course for a hiding on a scale which would have ended the career of the managers and about half of the players.

In fairness to Ross, having picked the wrong team, he made all the right substitutions and out-thought Harte when the pressure was on.
The early stages were among the most embarrassing of the last decade, with our defence a shambles from the opening seconds. Tyrone probably should have had five goals before the break, but after that the players showed immense courage and the replay could go either way.

McVeigh was among those who seemed to freeze at the start and his kick-outs were not great. He had little chance with the goals, made a fine save from Penrose and his handling under pressure in the second half was impressive.

Howard could have been taken off early on, but he steadied and generally used the ball well. Cole was something similar and drove forward well after the break. He was lucky to escape with a yellow for throwing out his elbow, and nearly did the same thing a few minutes later. Murney is a decent young player, but he could not cope at all today and should probably have been replaced even earlier than he was.

Rafferty worked hard, but is on the light side and lost possession badly a couple of times. Doyle had a shaky start, but improved and is capable of much more. Carr was another defender who was woeful early on, but he came into it in the second half.

Gordon was outstanding from start to finished and played a real captain's game. Lynch tries hard but he is not really a county player.

Our starting forwards were much of a muchness, and managed a point from play between them. Benny scored a goal and set up another but had a poor enough game and did not look particularly fit.

Apart from big Dan, our stars were all the subs.  Ambrose has taken a long time to make his mark at senior level, but he was magnificent all over the field today and even managed to finish as our top scorer. Murphy was excellent, McKernan was sound and McComiskey came very close to winning the game for us.

We have a lot to think about for the replay, but, amazingly after the first half display, we are still in the competition.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 08, 2008, 11:36:30 PM
I'll talk about the game in the morning....but I just want to thank all the Down lads on this board who bought raffle tickets for the Harps Car draw today in Omagh....Yis know who yiz are lads...thanks a million and we hope to return the favour at some stage :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 08, 2008, 11:45:15 PM
Spot on Rover.
Apart from the last big decision against Mc Comiskey, Coldrick was the best ref I've seen this year.Technically, he was right about the square ball, but morally, the rule is a farce- the courage of our wonderful captain should have been rewarded with a goal.
The first 20 minutes were the worst since Sligo, the last 50 were the best since the draw in 2003.
Ross,DJ , Mickey etc did everything that Mark Turley and co did not.
Jackie didn't do a lot wrong- he just didn't do a lot.Murphy and Ambrose were men inspired but will they do it for 70?I still reckon Mc Comiskey is a better impact man but John Clarke will be better the next day so who gives way ?
My favourite score was Dan's first half point.He fielded Mc Veigh's kick-out, quick release to Clarke coming out, handpass to Fegan, back to Dan and over the bar.Just like Liam Doyle's score of the championship in 2003, not one player bounced or soloed from keeper to score- simple and impossible to defend against.
Proud to be a Down man today- well done to all who wore the Red and Black.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on June 09, 2008, 08:29:13 AM
Real rollercoaster of emotions yesterday , fully expected a cricket score after the first 10mins but going in 4 down at H/F thought yeah we are in with a shout . Substitutions all worked and  all should start the next day . Down will take great confidence from getting a draw in Omagh . Div 1 against Div 3 counts for nothing now , Down can live with this Tyrone team and hopefully the early nerves that we seen yesterday are gone .
At the moment I can't make Saturday so does anyone know if it's on the box ?

Please God the poor man who looked in trouble down from the ground is okay .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 09, 2008, 10:12:12 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 08, 2008, 05:58:46 PM
Replay next Saturday 7pm in Newry.

Jerry Quinn said on 5FM there now that this weeks club fixtures will be a starred set.

No notification of league games yet? Will they definitely be on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 09, 2008, 10:58:30 AM
I just checked the master fixture list. This weekend's game are unstarred.

I'd imagine the whole series will have to be moved to after Down exit the Championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on June 09, 2008, 02:53:13 PM
Liam Doyle quoted today as praising DJ's half-time pep talk. Is he not suspended and should not be in the dressing room? Have we another suspension and fine coming our way and is this the way we should be doing things?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 09, 2008, 02:59:05 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 08, 2008, 11:36:30 PM
I'll talk about the game in the morning....but I just want to thank all the Down lads on this board who bought raffle tickets for the Harps Car draw today in Omagh....Yis know who yiz are lads...thanks a million and we hope to return the favour at some stage :)

Can i ask was it a good day for you's yesterday because we are doing a draw similar to yours soon and its definately an option we have to look at!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 09, 2008, 03:23:27 PM
Tell you the truth Tommy  it was well worth doing.....the only thing is we only sold tickets to people we know very few strangers bought tickets.....so drag every cheeky hoor in the club out and get them shouting and roaring at everyone going past. The more people you have like Mickey Kearney and Yogi Keenan on your team the more tickets you'll sell ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 09, 2008, 03:46:28 PM
cheers five sams, we have no shortage of loudmouths in our club ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 09, 2008, 05:00:54 PM
As a Down man I would like to say how thrilled I was to see Ambrose Rogers play out of his skin in the 2nd half yesterday.  True this is probably his first big performance in a down senior jersey, but Ive always believed it would come.  He has been playing exellently for his club in the past number of weeks, and brought that form into yesterdays match, with each game comes more confidence and he simply has to start on Saturday evening.  Hope he and the boys can give it their all for 70mins this time and get the win.  Each individual on the team did not play well, so who knows what could happen if everyone plays well and they click and get a win or 2 under their belts. Good Luck lads!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 09, 2008, 06:47:41 PM
these are the fixtures going to the press:
ACFL Div 1 Friday 13th (7 30)
Saval v Clonduff(C Broderick)
Mayobridge v Liatroim(G Tumelty)
Loughinisland v Kilcoo(P Branigan)
Ballyholland v Castlewellan(N Cousins)
Longstone v Burren(C Reynolds)
Rostrevor v An Riocht(N Morgan)
ACFL Div 2
Clann na Banna v Daragh Cross(S Flynn)
Attical v Ballymartin(L Morgan)
Warrenpoint v Shamrocks(G Corrigan)
Annaclone v Kilclief(M Devlin)
Downpatrick v Dundrum(M Rawlinson)
Tullylish v Bryansford(E O Hare)
ACFL Div 3
Drumgath v Drumaness(E Mc Grath)
Mitchels v St Pauls(B Andrews)
St Micheals v Teconnaught(D Moore)
Bredagh v Saul(E Mc Ellroy)
Glenn v Bosco(S Lowey)
Ardglass v Carryduff(A Grant)
ACFL Div 4
Aghaderg v Ballykinlar(P D Doyle)
St Johns V Dromara(P Mc Clorey)
Aughlisnafinn v Bright(C Mc Alinden)

Sunday 15th (2 00)
PRFC
Tullylish v Kilclief
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint
Rostrevor v Bryansford
Annaclone v Clonduff
Sunday 15th (6 00)
RFC
Carryduff v Drumaness
Teconaught v Shamrocks
Attical v Dromara
Darragh Cross v St Pauls
Dundrum v Glasdrumman
Bosco v St Micheals
Castlewellan v Drumgath
Bryansford v An Riocht
Clonduff v Ballyholland
Saul v Rostrevor
Ardglass v Mayobridge
Liatroim v Clann na Banna
Kilcoo v Bredagh

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 09, 2008, 09:31:00 PM
D4S is right to single out Ambrose. Dan was also outstanding, but that is we what we have come to expect from him. Ambrose is now in his fifth year in the senior squad, having made his championship debut in the 2004 replay against Cavan, and it has taken him a long time to make a real impact. He has been unlucky with injuries, but he also lacked confidence in previous seasons. On Sunday, he was the real deal. Everything he did, fielding, tackling, covering and passing, was from the top drawer and he also hit 1-1 from play. He is a certainty to start the replay, but a strong case can be made for bringing in Colgan as well. If Ambrose drops deep, and gives us the kind of defensive cover which we need so badly, as he did in Omagh, Colgan could stay in a central position and allow Dan to push forward.

Cole and Howard should stay in the full back line, but McCartan might bring more of a physical presence than Rafferty. Doyle and Murphy will be at half back and Carr might just have done enough to hold his place.

Ambrose could be named at CHF, but drop back, with possibly McKernan and Hughes as a two-man half forward line. Sexton will probably have a free role, leaving Benny and McComiskey up front. I still think keeping McComiskey on the bench was the right call last Sunday, as he turned the game when the Tyrone defence tired, but he has to be in from the start in the replay.

Benny did brilliantly to score one goal and set up the other, but his overall form has been a concern. He is still trying to do too much in possession, and he is relying on strength rather than pace, but McComiskey might bring out the best in him.

Clarke and Murtagh could not really complain about being dropped, and we would have to accept that we were lucky to survive a game in which our starting six up front, and two substitute forwards, managed a total of one point from play between them.

We will have to improve significantly, but we surely cannot start as badly again. If we do, there will be no way back. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 09, 2008, 09:56:54 PM
Anyone any comments on the minors - Tyrone arent what they were made out to be in the media and Down had them for the taking but the management must take the blame for picking the wrong team. Micheal Ireland is pulling the strings for Longstone in Div One and he got five minutes at the end - Kyle Coney ran the show but I seen him playing against St Malachy's in the Ulster Voc School Final and he was kept quiet, surely Turley should have used this tactic again but ultimately it will cost him his job, tf.
The full back line wasnt at the races at all and my earlier query on the squad seems vindicated - with regret though it has to be said.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on June 09, 2008, 10:09:47 PM
lota talk bout benny lackin pace and not lookin on form. credit where its due tho made the right call passin to ambrose for the goal. cole initially hada disaster nd could have been sent off might be worth colgan having a go at fullback? fair play to ross having faith in his son, after a dour first half performance he came good in the end!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mickey Linden on June 10, 2008, 09:18:19 AM
Can anyone confirm for definte if the match is all ticket?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 10, 2008, 09:24:42 AM
I can't confirm it but our secretary is taking names for tickets. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on June 10, 2008, 09:58:53 AM
Quote from: No1 on June 04, 2008, 09:09:03 AM
QuoteQuote from: off the laces on June 03, 2008, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: SCENTOFSAM on June 03, 2008, 02:00:20 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 03, 2008, 12:25:37 PM
Who's the ex-Saul player No1? I heard there was talk of Donnie Ritchie moving down your way.

Shows some ambition for someone who was being touted for the county last year even though he's living in DPK!!!!

Donnan lives in annacloy although he is going with a girl from strangford

    lives in Russell Park and has done so for a long time

  I'd just like to clear something up.  Donie has moved to Strangford.

  As for the jibe about ambition, I take it the implication is that the RGU would be a much better prospect for any ambitious player, what a load of balls.

  Although the RGU stuffed us, the standard on view last Friday night would suggest that both teams are going nowhere fast.  Much of a muchness in my view.  Don't let your arrogance cloud your judgement though.

So what exactly is the criteria for transfers within the county these days i remember the furore when wee james found a caravan in burren, so what is it these days find a woman take her address and play for her club talk about pus*y whipped.
Donnie should go to dpk and at least get a crack at the senior championship, kilclief are going nowhere fast no minors coming through and typically infighting about training and favorites getting picked to start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 10, 2008, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: amallon on June 10, 2008, 09:24:42 AM
I can't confirm it but our secretary is taking names for tickets. 

same with us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 10, 2008, 10:50:39 AM
Quoteso what is it these days find a woman take her address and play for her club talk about pus*y whipped.
Donnie should go to dpk and at least get a crack at the senior championship, kilclief are going nowhere fast no minors coming through and typically infighting about training and favorites getting picked to start. lets face it no matter where donnie goes he will always be an outsider and with his temper will throw the head up pretty quick.

  I have tried not to bite but I can't let that go.

  Where to start with that bullshit?  I am sure Donie can answer for himself regarding his relationship, just as I am sure you will bring it up next time you meet him face to face.  At the same time you can probably discuss his temper.

  Your views on our juvenile set up and "typical infighting" are laughable, I'd love to know where you are getting your info from.  Someone is winding you up buddy.  "Favourites getting picked", do me a favour!  There is not a club on the island that hasn't had some clown express that view.

  I think it's time you f**king wised up and caught yourself on.  Great result against St Michaels by the way.  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 10, 2008, 10:57:01 AM
QuoteWhat did you think of the game on Friday night No1?

  Poor enough stuff DF.  Not much between the two teams.  A wee bit of experience probably swung it for us.  Rosie Sloan was the main difference, he cleaned your full back and got some lovely scores. 

  When you boys got it back to a point in the second half you seemed to run out of ideas and steam.  I don't think the Bryansford lads will be having too many sleepless nights about either of us!  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on June 10, 2008, 11:02:10 AM
Quote from: off the laces on June 10, 2008, 09:58:53 AM
Quote from: No1 on June 04, 2008, 09:09:03 AM
QuoteQuote from: off the laces on June 03, 2008, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: SCENTOFSAM on June 03, 2008, 02:00:20 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 03, 2008, 12:25:37 PM
Who's the ex-Saul player No1? I heard there was talk of Donnie Ritchie moving down your way.

Shows some ambition for someone who was being touted for the county last year even though he's living in DPK!!!!

Donnan lives in annacloy although he is going with a girl from strangford

    lives in Russell Park and has done so for a long time

  I'd just like to clear something up.  Donie has moved to Strangford.

  As for the jibe about ambition, I take it the implication is that the RGU would be a much better prospect for any ambitious player, what a load of balls.

  Although the RGU stuffed us, the standard on view last Friday night would suggest that both teams are going nowhere fast.  Much of a muchness in my view.  Don't let your arrogance cloud your judgement though.

So what exactly is the criteria for transfers within the county these days i remember the furore when wee james found a caravan in burren, so what is it these days find a woman take her address and play for her club talk about pus*y whipped.
Donnie should go to dpk and at least get a crack at the senior championship, kilclief are going nowhere fast no minors coming through and typically infighting about training and favorites getting picked to start. lets face it no matter where donnie goes he will always be an outsider and with his temper will throw the head up pretty quick.
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There is no point saying donnie should go to DPK/Teconnet or wherever if he has no desire to do so and it would be churlish of these clubs to stand in the way of a transfer just for the sake of it even if it brings the parish/community aspect of the association to the level of local soccer leagues where guys hawk their services round the place season by season.
Why would clubs who are nurturing their own youth teams properly, bring in someone whose heart may or may not be 100% in the club with the result the up and coming players who have a long term future get pissed off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on June 10, 2008, 11:09:31 AM
Quote from: upthehoops on June 10, 2008, 11:02:10 AM
Quote from: off the laces on June 10, 2008, 09:58:53 AM
Quote from: No1 on June 04, 2008, 09:09:03 AM
QuoteQuote from: off the laces on June 03, 2008, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: SCENTOFSAM on June 03, 2008, 02:00:20 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 03, 2008, 12:25:37 PM
Who's the ex-Saul player No1? I heard there was talk of Donnie Ritchie moving down your way.

Shows some ambition for someone who was being touted for the county last year even though he's living in DPK!!!!

Donnan lives in annacloy although he is going with a girl from strangford

    lives in Russell Park and has done so for a long time

  I'd just like to clear something up.  Donie has moved to Strangford.

  As for the jibe about ambition, I take it the implication is that the RGU would be a much better prospect for any ambitious player, what a load of balls.

  Although the RGU stuffed us, the standard on view last Friday night would suggest that both teams are going nowhere fast.  Much of a muchness in my view.  Don't let your arrogance cloud your judgement though.

So what exactly is the criteria for transfers within the county these days i remember the furore when wee james found a caravan in burren, so what is it these days find a woman take her address and play for her club talk about pus*y whipped.
Donnie should go to dpk and at least get a crack at the senior championship, kilclief are going nowhere fast no minors coming through and typically infighting about training and favorites getting picked to start. lets face it no matter where donnie goes he will always be an outsider and with his temper will throw the head up pretty quick.
#
There is no point saying donnie should go to DPK/Teconnet or wherever if he has no desire to do so and it would be churlish of these clubs to stand in the way of a transfer just for the sake of it even if it brings the parish/community aspect of the association to the level of local soccer leagues where guys hawk their services round the place season by season.
Why would clubs who are nurturing their own youth teams properly, bring in someone whose heart may or may not be 100% in the club with the result the up and coming players who have a long term future get pissed off


typical soccer attitude.

anyway, these tranfers have been happening for years. ask tullylish or annaclone, they can fill you in on the ins and outs of the process.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 10, 2008, 11:17:45 AM
Quote from: No1 on June 10, 2008, 10:57:01 AM
QuoteWhat did you think of the game on Friday night No1?

  Poor enough stuff DF.  Not much between the two teams.  A wee bit of experience probably swung it for us.  Rosie Sloan was the main difference, he cleaned your full back and got some lovely scores. 

  When you boys got it back to a point in the second half you seemed to run out of ideas and steam.  I don't think the Bryansford lads will be having too many sleepless nights about either of us!  ::)

I would agree with that. You's had a number of experienced players that kept their cool towards the end of the game. I thought our poor fitness levels caught up with us in the 2nd half. Both teams will just have to keep plugging away.
I heard at the game that you's are losing Ricky Kerr to Australia. He looked impressive on Friday night.It will be a big loss.
Funny enough, the best player on the pitch was a Dundrum man. Just a pity he was playing for Kilclief.

PS. In regard to transfers I see that John Fegan has transferred back to Rostrevor from Downpatrick and Jarlath Austin is now playing for Liatroim after leaving Rostrevor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on June 10, 2008, 11:25:28 AM
typical soccer attitude.
???? where
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 10, 2008, 11:31:42 AM
  Ricky heads away tomorrow DF, another squad member is heading with him.  Big loss alright, fair play to him though he owes us nothing.  Maybe his mate at Collingwood can get him a game for their ressies!

Don't think Scully would appreciate being called a Dundrum man, although with that beard yiz are welcome to him.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on June 10, 2008, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: upthehoops on June 10, 2008, 11:25:28 AM
typical soccer attitude.
???? where

maybe i picked you up wrong but i thought that you said clubs shouldnt stand in the way of players moving, that if they want to move let them. thats a soccer attitude. maybe i got it wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on June 10, 2008, 11:49:30 AM

  Your views on our juvenile set up and "typical infighting" are laughable, I'd love to know where you are getting your info from.  Someone is winding you up buddy.  "Favourites getting picked", do me a favour!  There is not a club on the island that hasn't had some clown express that view.

   Great result against St Michaels by the way.  :D
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No. 1 if one person tells you, you take it with a pinch off salt but five or six telling you the same story all (kilclief senior panellists) then you start to take notice.

Having watched the Saul game they where deservedly beaten on the night, it has to have been the worst performance from the men in BLUE and GOLD in years,but at least they know they have 20+ members who will put their head down and try and improve the situation and pull together.

Df i see duns starting to be taught a fast lesson, to say Saul punched above their weight was an understatement but they learn't fast and pulled together to get a result or two on the bounce, at the minute not sure if you have the panel to cope what with suspensions,injury's and county commitments.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 10, 2008, 11:56:59 AM
Df i see duns starting to be taught a fast lesson, to say Saul punched above their weight was an understatement but they learn't fast and pulled together to get a result or two on the bounce, at the minute not sure if you have the panel to cope what with suspensions,injury's and county commitments.
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Yes, we are struggling at the moment but there is a simple solution - hard work!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on June 10, 2008, 12:48:41 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 10, 2008, 11:56:59 AM
Df i see duns starting to be taught a fast lesson, to say Saul punched above their weight was an understatement but they learn't fast and pulled together to get a result or two on the bounce, at the minute not sure if you have the panel to cope what with suspensions,injury's and county commitments.

Yes, we are struggling at the moment but there is a simple solution - hard work!
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Why not go down the Kilclief route and pick up a couple off players and give an oul address here and there  ;) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whacker on June 10, 2008, 01:04:44 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 10, 2008, 11:17:45 AM
Quote from: No1 on June 10, 2008, 10:57:01 AM
QuoteWhat did you think of the game on Friday night No1?

 
PS. In regard to transfers I see that John Fegan has transferred back to Rostrevor from Downpatrick and Jarlath Austin is now playing for Liatroim after leaving Rostrevor.

Wow thats a massive coup for Rostrevor  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 10, 2008, 01:28:12 PM
Any thoughts on the senior championship for 2008? Are Mayobridge going to make it 4 in a row? Who are the main challengers? Are Burren any better under their new expensive manager? Are Kilcoo ever going to live up to their potential? Can Longstone challenge the bridge again?  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 10, 2008, 01:29:40 PM
I was feeling artistic there, but looks like shit now I see my message written above!!! Anyway lets get this chat underway :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 10, 2008, 02:04:21 PM
You're right Barry it does look crap.
Title: Pot Kettle Blackass
Post by: passedit on June 10, 2008, 02:22:25 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on June 10, 2008, 11:09:31 AM
typical soccer attitude.

anyway, these tranfers have been happening for years. ask tullylish or annaclone, they can fill you in on the ins and outs of the process.

They have indeed BTW,ask yer da about Bill Geoghan for example.  ;)

As an aside is Packie Downey still on the Down panel? Just wondering as he was playing agin St Pauls last thursday.
Title: Re: Pot Kettle Blackass
Post by: downredblack on June 10, 2008, 02:34:36 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 10, 2008, 02:22:25 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on June 10, 2008, 11:09:31 AM
typical soccer attitude.

anyway, these tranfers have been happening for years. ask tullylish or annaclone, they can fill you in on the ins and outs of the process.

They have indeed BTW,ask yer da about Bill Geoghan for example.  ;)

As an aside is Packie Downey still on the Down panel? Just wondering as he was playing agin St Pauls last thursday.


Thought I saw him on the team coach on Sunday .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 10, 2008, 02:38:18 PM
Thanks lecale i agree but im a newcomer so was just doin that for something to be at while bored in work! But interested to hear any club championship talk...
Title: Re: Pot Kettle Blackass
Post by: behind the wire on June 10, 2008, 02:41:32 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 10, 2008, 02:22:25 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on June 10, 2008, 11:09:31 AM
typical soccer attitude.

anyway, these tranfers have been happening for years. ask tullylish or annaclone, they can fill you in on the ins and outs of the process.

They have indeed BTW,ask yer da about Bill Geoghan for example.  ;)

As an aside is Packie Downey still on the Down panel? Just wondering as he was playing agin St Pauls last thursday.

before my time but have heard the story from my da many times. think he played something like 6 games before moving on again. i dont think we would be anywhere near our neighbours in terms of imports!!!!!!

big packie is off the panel, think he dropped himself off the panel. was standing beside him at match on sunday.

Title: Re: Pot Kettle Blackass
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 10, 2008, 02:52:08 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on June 10, 2008, 02:41:32 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 10, 2008, 02:22:25 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on June 10, 2008, 11:09:31 AM
typical soccer attitude.

anyway, these tranfers have been happening for years. ask tullylish or annaclone, they can fill you in on the ins and outs of the process.

They have indeed BTW,ask yer da about Bill Geoghan for example.  ;)

As an aside is Packie Downey still on the Down panel? Just wondering as he was playing agin St Pauls last thursday.

yeah packie left the panel a while ago himself

before my time but have heard the story from my da many times. think he played something like 6 games before moving on again. i dont think we would be anywhere near our neighbours in terms of imports!!!!!!

big packie is off the panel, think he dropped himself off the panel. was standing beside him at match on sunday.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 10, 2008, 02:54:14 PM
Quotei dont think we would be anywhere near our neighbours in terms of imports!!!!!!

If you're not ye should be, a big town like banbridge will always have passers through if you look hard enough for them, come to think of it was it not yerself was touting for new blood on this very board?  ;D

Anyway i'd say Tullylish would consider themselves net losers in the transfer market. :P

Quotebig packie is off the panel, think he dropped himself off the panel. was standing beside him at match on sunday.

woops thats been bugging me all week, wished him all the best for sunday, hope he doesn't think i was takin the piss.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on June 10, 2008, 03:10:58 PM
by looking for transfers on here i only mean legitimate ones, ie lads that have moved in from tyrone and fermanagh and the south. any you are right there are plenty of them. players tranferring that are living in the catchment area are never a problem, its the neighbouring ones that create the problems as has been seen in a good few cases in county down in recent times.

p.s. i just like to give the tullylish lads a bit of stick about it.   ;)

ask DownFanatic he speaks highly of Loughinisland regarding the aul transfer market
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on June 10, 2008, 04:37:44 PM
big bow to see Dan Gordon out of the game on sunday!! played with a broken thumb for big part of the game on sunday, shows  how much he wanted it!

hopefully Ross Will see sense an get murph an McComiskey on from the start ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 10, 2008, 04:39:37 PM
hogan stand is not reliable as we've seen in the past, fella on the mian page says he was talking to dan and he was fine. Pile of crap I would say!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 10, 2008, 07:23:19 PM
Chatting to a player today who says Gordon will play!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on June 10, 2008, 07:38:26 PM
Quote from: D4S on June 10, 2008, 01:28:12 PM
Any thoughts on the senior championship for 2008? Are Mayobridge going to make it 4 in a row[/font]?[/b] Who are the main challengers? Are Burren any better under their new expensive manager? Are Kilcoo ever going to live up to their potential? Can Longstone challenge the bridge again?  ;)

5 in a row
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 10, 2008, 09:09:34 PM
Can the Bridge make an impact in Ulster, i seriously doubt it. Lets hope come Championship a new force emerges capable of giving it a lash
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on June 10, 2008, 09:55:19 PM
Quote from: D4S on June 10, 2008, 07:23:19 PM
Chatting to a player today who says Gordon will play!

hogan stand reliable as ever...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 10, 2008, 10:23:49 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on June 10, 2008, 09:09:34 PM
Can the Bridge make an impact in Ulster, i seriously doubt it. Lets hope come Championship a new force emerges capable of giving it a lash

What hope do you give for any other Down club in Ulster if nobody has done in the last four years or going on current form seems to be capable of taking the SFC off the Bridge?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 10, 2008, 10:43:30 PM
Hope springs eternal Dundrumite, the Bridge will have there day, as will Dundrum at some future time, we live in hope that whoever eventually succeeds the Bridge will be more robust, committed and competitive in Ulster. Have no idea why the Bridge are unable to make breakthrough, they are a good side but lack something
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on June 11, 2008, 12:14:08 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on June 10, 2008, 10:43:30 PM
Hope springs eternal Dundrumite, the Bridge will have there day, as will Dundrum at some future time, we live in hope that whoever eventually succeeds the Bridge will be more robust, committed and competitive in Ulster. Have no idea why the Bridge are unable to make breakthrough, they are a good side but lack something

The bridge have come close on a few occasions losing to the eventual All Ireland champs both times. Prob two of the best teams ever to play in club football in Ulster and Ireland!  Its still not an ulster but no other team in Down wouldn't stand a chance in ulster at this moment. Mayobridge are unbeaten in the league this year without alot of key players at different times, Clonduff and Loughisland were two form teams also but the bridge beat them well with what i would call a seconds team. I'm not being arrogant with these points its just thats one of the main reasons why the Bridge haven't had an ulster, there is no competition for them at the present!
Oh ah PANGURBAN, what club are  you from? You really do not like Mayobridge at all, time and time again you slate the club and some of its players. Sounds like a bit of jealousy.
WE ARE THE ARISTOCRATS OF DOWN FOOTBALL AND WILL BE FOR A FEW YEARS TO COME. - Now that is arrogance! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on June 11, 2008, 12:25:58 AM

Oh ah PANGURBAN, what club are  you from? You really do not like Mayobridge at all, time and time again you slate the club and some of its players. Sounds like a bit of jealousy.
WE ARE THE ARISTOCRATS OF DOWN FOOTBALL AND WILL BE FOR A FEW YEARS TO COME. - Now that is arrogance! ;D ;D ;D ;D
[/quote]

Would have to say Burren are probably the team who can lay claim to being the aristocrats of Down, having won the All Ireland twice and five ulsters. However, I would have no desire to get into juvenile hogan standesque argument, having played most teams this year I believe  the Bridge are still miles ahead of the pack. They beat us well, although we had our own problems with personal, but the final result would have been the same regardless.

Perhaps the Bridge's biggest problem in Ulster is lack of competitive games within their own county, to prepare them for the tough matches ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 11, 2008, 05:26:48 AM
Bridgelad point to one example where i have been critical, i have acknowledged that they are best team in Down and have been over the past 4 years. I am merely speculating as to why they have not been able to break the Ulster hoodo. As for critisizing any of their players, where do you get that from, i may have raised a query about Bennys role in Down set-up, but that was intended as a critizism of Down management, not Benny. I defy you to read my previous posts and find one example where i have slated the Bridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 11, 2008, 09:22:58 AM
  How nice of the county board to give us a reserve championship fixture on Sunday with our team mate playing in the Ulster Hurling final at the same time.  Tossers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imdagaffer on June 11, 2008, 10:00:06 AM
Any Update on Gordan?

is the match def all ticket?

Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 11, 2008, 10:03:35 AM
Quote from: No1 on June 11, 2008, 09:22:58 AM
  How nice of the county board to give us a reserve championship fixture on Sunday with our team mate playing in the Ulster Hurling final at the same time.  Tossers.

Has Rosie jacked in the hurling No 1? I hear your new football manager isn't keen on dual players. He was MOM against Portaferry a couple of weeks ago.  Will you be in McCoy's on Saturday for a few?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 11, 2008, 10:42:46 AM
I have to disagree that Mayobridge are miles ahead of the rest in Down...They only drew with rostrevor with a last gasp goal by Sexton last year, fair enough they hammered them in the replay but it shows how close any team can get to them on any given day.  Longstone drew with them in the final and I think Mayobridge thought they would win the replay easy but just held on by 2points with neither team performing well.  I would like to see another team win this year....any team but Burren:)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 11, 2008, 10:51:51 AM
  
QuoteHas Rosie jacked in the hurling No 1? I hear your new football manager isn't keen on dual players. He was MOM against Portaferry a couple of weeks ago.  Will you be in McCoy's on Saturday for a few?

  He trained with the footballers last Tuesday instead of playing a hurling match against Shamrocks.  To be honest he has jacked both codes in at different times this year, this week it is the hurling.  He is also back on the sauce after 8 months off it!  Got a number for a sports psychologist?  ::)

 I wouldn't say our football manager (who has been in charge for a couple of years) is anti dual player at all.  Obviously his first priority is his own team but I can honestly say I haven't noticed any bias.  Players are very much left to make up their own minds.  Finty (when Jingo lets him play) and Rosie are two of our main men on the football team.

 No McCoy's on Saturday, there are a crowd of us heading to Liverpool on Friday until Sunday morning for a stag.  If we can get our reserve game re arranged I'll maybe seeya at Casement for a celebratory pint on Sunday!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fred on June 11, 2008, 11:59:31 AM
last time in newry, checked out the st. john bosco social club, great spot for a pre match pint. craic good and just 5 mins from pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackjack on June 11, 2008, 12:05:17 PM
The social club at the ground will be open before the games and afterwards for a celebratory pint  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 11, 2008, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: fred on June 11, 2008, 11:59:31 AM
last time in newry, checked out the st. john bosco social club, great spot for a pre match pint. craic good and just 5 mins from pitch.

How will you get from Bosco to the Marshes in 5 minutes Fred? Helicopter?

The Independent in Kilmorey St is a good spot before a game.

I'll be in the Casement Club on Sunday No 1. Hopefully we have something to celebrate!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 11, 2008, 04:52:52 PM
Mayobridge Gold
1999 County Final v Burren http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BpXp1wUGfw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BpXp1wUGfw)
2001 County Final v Castlewellan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTGzPR2ZJZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTGzPR2ZJZY)
2002 Counfty Final v Rostrevor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzvrleIyucc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzvrleIyucc)
2005 County Final v Bryansford http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OREaFolOdA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OREaFolOdA)


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 11, 2008, 05:25:53 PM
Great memories Mallon, hope you will be editing in october again :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 11, 2008, 05:27:26 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on June 10, 2008, 09:09:34 PM
Can the Bridge make an impact in Ulster, i seriously doubt it. Lets hope come Championship a new force emerges capable of giving it a lash

Who in your opinion is capable  of emerging to compete with the best in Ulster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on June 11, 2008, 05:46:49 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 11, 2008, 05:27:26 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on June 10, 2008, 09:09:34 PM
Can the Bridge make an impact in Ulster, i seriously doubt it. Lets hope come Championship a new force emerges capable of giving it a lash

Who in your opinion is capable  of emerging to compete with the best in Ulster

Super-Bosco

A 2008 industrial mishap at a Newry nuclear plant leads to the Gamma ray contamination of 24 senior footballers during a shuttle sprint drill, and so is born the future of Gaelic games..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 11, 2008, 07:19:38 PM
Quote from: Niall Quinn on June 11, 2008, 05:46:49 PM

Super-Bosco

A 2008 industrial mishap at a Newry nuclear plant leads to the Gamma ray contamination of 24 senior footballers during a shuttle sprint drill, and so is born the future of Gaelic games..

:D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on June 11, 2008, 07:38:37 PM
gotta agree, absoloute disgrace that we have reserve c'ship this sunday! would love to get up to watch the hurlers (win hopefully) but it wouldnt do for the ass holes in the county board to give a hurling game any attention!!! buck the tossers out an get someone 2 do a decent job!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 11, 2008, 07:57:54 PM
Quote from: Niall Quinn on June 11, 2008, 05:46:49 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 11, 2008, 05:27:26 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on June 10, 2008, 09:09:34 PM
Can the Bridge make an impact in Ulster, i seriously doubt it. Lets hope come Championship a new force emerges capable of giving it a lash

Who in your opinion is capable  of emerging to compete with the best in Ulster

Super-Bosco

A 2008 industrial mishap at a Newry nuclear plant leads to the Gamma ray contamination of 24 senior footballers during a shuttle sprint drill, and so is born the future of Gaelic games..

Most of them alreadyn think they are the super bosco after a bottle of buckfast!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 11, 2008, 09:28:13 PM
2006 County Final.  Bridge v Burren
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ja7rJvlhniY (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ja7rJvlhniY)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on June 11, 2008, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: imdagaffer on June 11, 2008, 09:31:43 PM
Sure why nt make a start, MY team for Saturday evening. I am sure it will spark debate & you will have your own opinion.....

1. Brendan McVeigh
2. Luke Howard
3. Martin Cole
4. Dan McCartan in for Murney
5. Ronan Murtagh from Wing half & drop Aidan (unlikely to happen?)
6. Liam Doyle
7. Paul Murphy in for Rafferty
8. Dan Gordon
9. Jack Lynch
10. Ronan Sexton
11. Ambrose Rogers
12. Danny Hughes
13. John Clarke  
14. Paul McComiskey
15. Brendan Coulter

In short Drop Fegan for McComiskey, Sexton moves out to half fwd, McComiskey full forward. murtagh didnt do too much for me Sunday & has the ability to carry the ball with vision from the half back line with Ambrose in the half forward line.

Paul murph in for D Raff & Dan Mccartan in for murney....... Keep the midfield. lynch was quiet but didnt do much wrong & if as expected Cavanagh comes back to the middle of the park we will need Lynch's strength. Seriously hoping Dan Gordon lines out.......



your fairly on the money there, mc comiskey has to start u cant have someone playin that well and just reserve them as an impact sub, unfair to the player and wud jus have him pissed off. murney and rafferty were largely ineffective but id question ur call to leave lynch on the field. appreciate we wud need strength against cavanagh but lynch fouling around him wouldnt be much use.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on June 11, 2008, 10:35:22 PM
and nearly forgot, carr did well in 2nd half so we can forgive him for his dire performance in the first 20 or so
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: back off the net on June 11, 2008, 10:42:36 PM
i think down missed the boat same old story play well for 20 min or so and still cant beat a poor tyrone team that did not play at all they took there foot off the gas.armagh will beat any off the 2 teams if they play like that.think armagh will give ulster a good run if they come out off it god only knows were they could go
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on June 11, 2008, 11:01:50 PM
Quote from: imdagaffer on June 11, 2008, 10:42:54 PM
McComiskey must be thinking "what the hell do I have to do to get a start here.....!" he was itching to get on the pitch on Sunday & if he wasnt fouled when he won the free at the end he had the pace to spin off toward goal!.

Good point re carr & realistically ross wont drop him.....If lynch doesnt start mid park who else do we have? Id like to see ambrose half forward....

id say it would have to be ambrose, dont think colgan would be worth the risk starting. what about coles suspension????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imdagaffer on June 11, 2008, 11:03:27 PM
is suspension confirmed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on June 11, 2008, 11:11:30 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 11, 2008, 11:07:23 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on June 11, 2008, 10:32:57 PM
your fairly on the money there, mc comiskey has to start u cant have someone playin that well and just reserve them as an impact sub, unfair to the player and wud jus have him pissed off. murney and rafferty were largely ineffective but id question ur call to leave lynch on the field. appreciate we wud need strength against cavanagh but lynch fouling around him wouldnt be much use.

I would start Lynch, even if he was to be called ashore at half time. We will need his strength early on. I would expect Tyrone to try to crowd out the middle of the field and launch quick ball into the full forward line.  I would go with

1. Brendan McVeigh

2. Luke Howard
3. Gary McArdle if Monk is suspended, though this would be a last resort.
4. Damian Rafferty.

5. Aidan Carr.
6. Liam Doyle.
7. Paul Murphy.

8. Dan Gordon I think he ill be fit and ready.
9.  Jackie Lynch.

10. Ronan Murtagh.
11. Ambrose Rodgers.
12. John Clarke.
13. Ronan Sexton.

14. Brendan Coulter.
15. Paul McCumiskey.

wouldnt have much confidence in rafferty. who would replace lynch at half time were he to start? drop ambrose back? you wouldnt fancy clarke at corner forward?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on June 11, 2008, 11:31:22 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 11, 2008, 11:22:26 PM
I have been a fan of Jackie Lynch, I think we have missed a physical footballer for a long time, too many spice boys  ;), but I dont think Jackie can last 70 minutes of Championship football. If he needs to be replaced, I would bring Ambi back, although he would probably really be playing as a third midfielder. I still dont think Ross will start with McCumiskey. He sees him as an impact sub, who will run at tired legs. I would drop Daniel Hughes as he was poor on Sunday, but then again I criticised him in the run up to the McKenna Cup final and he was MOTM.

I also think the crowd have a big part to play on Saturday. Omagh was very subdued on Sunday, especially from a Tyrone point of view. We need to get behind Down and create a good atmosphere. This time last week I was very pessimistic, although I wouldnt say I am optomistic, we can beat this Tyrone side. Stop Dooher from turning defence into attack and you stop Tyrone. Murphy done an excellent job last week when introduced. If he does it again for 70 minutes we will be there or there abouts. Coulter was quiet last week, expect Benny to announce his arrival in style.

ill agree with the spice boys factor and jackie isnt afraid to throw his weight about but wouldnt have a hope of chasing cavanagh should he make a run or 2. while hes the best impact sub in ireland im sure he would fancy himself as a good startin player too, not fair to keep him on the bench for playing well! tyrone will be a long way from home on saturday night and lets home benny shows the home crowd what hes capable of like u say
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 11, 2008, 11:44:00 PM
Lynch is all heart but he could only be considered in an emergency. He was not at the races in Omagh and Colgan is the logical partner for Ambrose. It sounds as though we will be lucky to get the last 10 minutes out of Dan at full forward. McComiskey must start, as the surprise factor is now gone. If we hold him back in the hope that he can run at a tiring opponent, Tyrone will send on a fresh defender as soon as he appears. McArdle started the league reasonably well but lost confidence along the way. He will probably have to come in if Cole's suspension is confirmed. Tyrone obviously have injuries as well, but it is difficult to believe that we can survive the loss of our only experienced out and out defender and the midfielder who on Sunday's form is the best in Ulster in his position. However, we will not be lacking either motivation or support on Saturday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on June 11, 2008, 11:55:35 PM
agree with dodgy umpire, its all well and good having someone to throw their weight about but they have to be able to keep up with the game and the game passed jackie by the other day! If mccomisky starts will ross carr drop john clarke from the team or drop him further outfield?? the only place that seems to know about coles suspension is utv....reliable??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on June 12, 2008, 12:20:58 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on June 11, 2008, 11:07:23 PM

2. Luke Howard
3. Gary McArdle if Monk is suspended, though this would be a last resort.
4. Damian Rafferty.

5. Aidan Carr.
6. Liam Doyle.
7. Paul Murphy.

It's not great Lads, is it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 12, 2008, 12:35:00 AM
On his second half performance last Sunday Carr deserves to start, As must Mc Comiskey. Not happy about Lynch in middle of field but we dont have viable options, especially if Dan is out. Time for Benny to deliver a big game, and Mc Comiskey alongside would free h im up a little to deliver. Defence remains the perrenial problem and no short term solution in sight, but Murphys inclusion will strenghten things a little. I am optimistic, we can win it, loud vocal support will provide the impetus, so lets hear you lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 12, 2008, 09:53:47 AM
altho i dont agree i am hearing that lynch will start, mccomiskey wont.

murphy in, carr remains in half back, murtagh in half forward, ambrose wont start unless dan injured.

benny is injured, hasnt trained in 3 weeks which perhaps explains his less than usual sharp performance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imdagaffer on June 12, 2008, 10:13:22 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on June 12, 2008, 09:53:47 AM


benny is injured, hasnt trained in 3 weeks which perhaps explains his less than usual sharp performance

Why is he playing then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turnbacktime on June 12, 2008, 06:38:35 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on June 12, 2008, 12:35:00 AM
On his second half performance last Sunday Carr deserves to start, As must Mc Comiskey. Not happy about Lynch in middle of field but we dont have viable options, especially if Dan is out. Time for Benny to deliver a big game, and Mc Comiskey alongside would free h im up a little to deliver. Defence remains the perrenial problem and no short term solution in sight, but Murphys inclusion will strenghten things a little. I am optimistic, we can win it, loud vocal support will provide the impetus, so lets hear you lads
i dont think that big lynch did anything wrong on sunday. Everyone is praising Ambrose like mad lets not forget that a month ago everyone was questioning why he was even in the squad, he did indeed have a very good half and the substitution worked, but its only one half of football. can he do the same for the full match?--- As for colgan partnering him?- i cant see it nor would i want to - - - -  If monks suspension is real why not pop murphy into full back, lethal engine & desire in him!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 12, 2008, 09:45:34 PM
Down ACFL Division 2 (Thursday Night)

Dundrum 0-10  Downpatrick 3-16

We are being taught some very harsh lessons in this Division. Downpatrick dominated from start to finish.
The things we got away with in Division 3 are no longer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 12, 2008, 10:33:25 PM
See the BBC has more fantastic GAA coverage tonight, DJ can be banned as he was already serving a ban
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 13, 2008, 04:04:34 PM
i hear dan definitely starts - not broken but staved, catching balls in training last night

going with 3 midfielders, jackie, dan and ambrose coming out from corner forward.

benny at 11 and r murtagh at 14 with j clarke, mccomiskey on bench

havent heard about full back line yet but its def not murphy!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on June 13, 2008, 04:09:08 PM
right lads heading stateside for a couple of months. hope you can all keep me updated while im away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on June 13, 2008, 04:14:41 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on June 13, 2008, 04:04:34 PM
i hear dan definitely starts - not broken but staved, catching balls in training last night

going with 3 midfielders, jackie, dan and ambrose coming out from corner forward.

benny at 11 and r murtagh at 14 with j clarke, mccomiskey on bench

havent heard about full back line yet but its def not murphy!

Want to have a stab at the team there GY?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 13, 2008, 04:30:14 PM
uladh i dont really have enough info to be honest. i'll take a bash at:

b mcveigh

l howard
d mccartan
d raff

a carr
l doyle
p murphy

j lynch
dgordan

r sexton
r murtagh
d hughes

j clarke
b coulter
a rodgers

stab at the back line, and as i said 3 midfielders and murtagh and coulter changing every 10 mins or so
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiffler on June 13, 2008, 05:55:27 PM
b mcveigh

l howard
J Colgan (need a big man there to play against Cavanagh)
d raff

a carr
l doyle
p murphy

J Lynch
d gordan

r sexton
J Clarke
d hughes
A Rodgers

R Murtagh
b coulter


McCumiskey to come off the bench 5mins into second half.

If Monk was fit I would have played him in the full back line with Rafferty moving to wing half back, Carr to the half forward line, Rodgers to midfield, and Lynch to the bench.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 13, 2008, 07:05:54 PM
Word is that the team named by Goldenyears is spot on. It's a bit hard to believe that Jackie is starting again, but Ross must feel he is needed for the physical battle early on. While McCartan is small for a full back, he will go for everything. The sooner McComiskey appears, the better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on June 13, 2008, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 13, 2008, 07:05:54 PM
The sooner McComiskey appears, the better.

How about from the start?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 13, 2008, 09:34:42 PM
Ardglass bt Carryduff
Bredagh bt Saul

any word on Glassdrumman, Drumanness and Drumgath?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on June 13, 2008, 10:00:04 PM
Mitchells 0-10 St Pauls 4-08...The boys from Ard Mhic Nasca march on ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on June 13, 2008, 10:03:20 PM
Annaclone 3-14 Kilclief 1-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 13, 2008, 10:11:44 PM
i heard drumgath beat drumaness by 2 points, 2-08 1-09, i think!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on June 13, 2008, 10:13:23 PM
Kilcoo bt L'Island by 4. Brutal football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on June 13, 2008, 10:34:18 PM
Drumgath 2-11
Drumaness 1-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 13, 2008, 10:39:02 PM
Anybody know what happens if more than 2 teams fail to make 30% of the top teams total?At the moment little shy of half way stage in division 2 theres 3 teams not matching 30% of Bryansford's total.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 13, 2008, 10:49:42 PM
The bottom two go straight down in that case Dundrumite.

Play-offs only happen when teams have earned them by getting 30%.


We got beat by Castlewellan by 3 pts, but if we're being honest we were lucky to get within 10. We were a shambles, but all credit to Town who put on easily the best display against us this season. They're well-organised and well-balanced, and look like they've played a lot of ball as a unit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 13, 2008, 11:04:46 PM
Bryansford  hammered tullylish, 20 + points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on June 13, 2008, 11:17:13 PM
It's a pity Bryansford got relegated.  They probably would have done well in division 1.  They where very unlucky to be in a relegation playoff with 23 points or whatever it was and semi final of the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on June 13, 2008, 11:22:33 PM
'bridge    1.17
laoitrim    0.07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on June 13, 2008, 11:34:59 PM
How did the other 2 games in division 3 go?

St Micheals v Teconnaught
Glenn v Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on June 13, 2008, 11:55:45 PM
st michaels by 6 and glenn beat bosco dont know score
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on June 13, 2008, 11:56:08 PM
Glenn 1-11
Bosco 0-11

Not really much to report.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on June 14, 2008, 12:08:40 AM
Team                  Played   Points
An Ghlasdromainn      12       19
Ard Ghlais            12       19
Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh  12       17
Breadach              12       16
Droim Gath            12       14
Droim an Easa         12       13
Naomh Pól             12       11
Sabhall Padraig       12       10
Naomh Michil          12       10
Gleann                12       9
Tí Chonnachta         12       7
Misteiligh an Iuir    12       6
Naomh Eoin Bosco      12       5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 14, 2008, 12:24:23 AM
Longstone 0.17 Burren 0.14
Ballyholland lost to Castlewellan by 3
Rostrevor won by 6 against An Riocht
Mayobridge 1.17 Liatriom 0.7
Kilcoo beat Island by 4
Dont know about Clonduff v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 14, 2008, 12:35:08 AM
Down ACFL Division 2

Warrenpoint 1-14  Shamrocks 2-04
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 14, 2008, 12:51:49 AM
It's a pity Bryansford got relegated.  They probably would have done well in division 1.  They where very unlucky to be in a relegation playoff with 23 points or whatever it was and semi final of the championship

Bryansford only got 21 points, but i agree with Maidan1 that the Ford are far too good for 2nd Div.
They have 7 great forwards and i think they have selection problems who to leave out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 14, 2008, 01:05:39 AM
Saval v Clonduff OFF

Table for Down 1st Div @ June 13th

P   W   D   L   Pts   SD   Teams
9   9   0   0   18    73   Mayobridge
9   6   1   2   13    46   Kilcoo
9   6   0   3   12     5   Longstone
9   5   1   3   11     0   Rostrevor
8   5   0   3   10    -2   Clonduff
9   5   0   4   10    -9   Loughinisland
9   4   1   4    9    13   Castlewellan
9   4   0   5    8   -12   Burren
8   2   2   4    6   -10   Saval
9   2   1   6    5   -13   Ballyholland
9   1   0   8    2   -39   Liatriom
9   1   0   8    2   -52   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on June 14, 2008, 05:36:46 AM
ACFL Div 1 Friday 13th
Saval v Clonduff (Mon)
Mayobridge 1 17 Liatroim 0 07
Loughinisland 1 05 Kilcoo 0 11
Ballyholland 2 06 Castlewellan 0 15
Longstone 0 17 Burren 0 14
Rostrevor 1 15 An Riocht 1 09
ACFL Div 2
Clann na Banna 1 08 Daragh Cross 1 07
Attical 0 13 Ballymartin 1 10
Warrenpoint 1 14 Shamrocks 2 04
Annaclone 3 14 Kilclief 1 08
Downpatrick 3 16 Dundrum 0 10
Tullylish 0 04 Bryansford 3 21
ACFL Div 3
Drumgath 2 11 Drumaness 1 08
Mitchels 0 08 St Pauls 4 08
St Micheals 3 10 Teconnaught 1 09
Bredagh 1 12 Saul 0 08
Glenn 1 11 Bosco 0 11
Ardglass 1 11 Carryduff 1 07
ACFL Div 4
Aghaderg 3 13 Ballykinlar 2 09
St Johns 1 11 Dromara 1 10
Aughlisnafinn 1 13 Bright 4 14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on June 14, 2008, 09:53:23 AM
Having kept an eye on results this season, it seem that the Finn are no longer getting the absolute hammerings they once were getting.
Obviously things are coming together there with a lot of hard work in the back ground.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 14, 2008, 10:35:49 AM
Correction

A slight correction in score difference with Kilcoo and Loughinisland

P   W   D   L   Pts    SD     Teams
9   9   0   0   18    73   Mayobridge
9   6   1   2   13    45   Kilcoo
9   6   0   3   12     5   Longstone
9   5   1   3   11     0   Rostrevor
8   5   0   3   10    -2   Clonduff
9   5   0   4   10    -8   Loughinisland
9   4   1   4    9    13   Castlewellan
9   4   0   5    8   -12   Burren
8   2   2   4    6   -10   Saval
9   2   1   6    5   -13   Ballyholland
9   1   0   8    2   -39   Liatriom
9   1   0   8    2   -52   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on June 14, 2008, 11:06:08 AM
Does anyone know if there is any coverage of the match at all today? On the Radio, Internet or TV?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on June 14, 2008, 11:12:40 AM
The match is live on BBC Radio Ulster MEDIUM WAVE only 1341MW.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on June 14, 2008, 11:46:16 AM
better than that the match is on live at 7 oclock in newry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on June 14, 2008, 02:39:41 PM
St Johns 1 11 Dromara 1 10
I attended my first Div 4 game of 2008 and it was a good competitive match.  St. John's scored from a penalty in the first minute and Dromara responded with 2 points.  After that there was never more than 2 points in it and Jonnies eventually winning by 1.  The penalty proved too much for Dromara to crawl back, but I think that St. Johns will be very relieved to have survived that one, and Dromara will feel very disappointed not to have gotten at least a point out of it from their effort.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on June 14, 2008, 03:24:27 PM
There is live streaming of the match on RTE.ie
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 14, 2008, 06:34:00 PM
where do ya get the live streaming from? explain to a silly computer illiterate **** like me please!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on June 15, 2008, 12:11:27 AM
What a game!!! The adrenalin is still flying!!!
Men of the match for Down:

- Benny Coulter - most direct forward, great to see ponits from play - and of course the goal
- Murphy - really got under Doohers skin - had him rattled throughout - the Golden Boy even resorted to diving - not a thing Tyrone are renowned for
- Dan Gordon - great display despite being hampered by injury
- Liam Doyle - great engine, kept it going til the end - brilliant free taking under pressure
- Ambrose Rogers - player of the 2 games on aggregate - McEnaney wouldn't give him a free all night - went to the end - won a great possession in the fourth period at the death - brilliant
- Ross & DJ - INSTILLED SOME BELIEF - despite conceding 8 points without reply - from 0-12 to 0-16 to 0-20 to 0-16 they still kept going!!!

Unbelievable referring from McEnaney - played for a draw in normal time - has to be the man in the big picture. 4th period was a free for all - you couldn't buy a free - think the bad light got to him!!
An Dun Abu!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 15, 2008, 06:14:25 PM
This weeks fixtures:

Tuesday 17th June 7 30
ACHL Div 1
Kilclief v Ballycran
Ballygalget v Portaferry
Shamrocks v Liatroim
Bredagh v Ballela
ACHL Div 2
Portaferry v Castlewellan
Warrenpoint v Clonduff
Ballycran v Ballygalget
Friday 20th June 7 30
ACFL Div 1
Liatroim v Saval
Mayobridge v Kilcoo
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Longstone v Ballyholland
Castlewellan v Rostrevor
Burren v An Riocht
ACFL Div 2
Ballymartin v Clann na Banna
Attical v Warrenpoint
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks
Downpatrick v Annaclone
Kilclief v Tullylish
Dundrum v Bryansford
ACFL Div 3
Bosco v Glasdrumman
Saul v Ardglass
Tecconaught v Glenn
St Pauls v Bredagh
Drumaness v St Micheals
Drumgath v Mitchels
ACFL Div 4
Bright v Aghaderg
St Johns v Ballykinlar
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Sunday 22nd June 2 00
ACPRL Div 1
Mayobridge v Bryansford
Clonduff v Burren
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
An Riocht v Liatroim
Downpatrick v Castlewellan
ACPRL Div 2
Warrenpoint v Kilclief
Loughinisland v Carryduff
Tullylish v Saval
Bredagh v Ballymartin
Annaclone v Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 15, 2008, 10:04:05 PM
I'm not sure if we are all back down to earth after Saturday night, but the Armagh performance today gave us much to think about. Cavan may be an ordinary side but, as we know from 2004 and 2007,  they are a tough proposition on their own ground. However, Armagh, without playing particularly well, won very easily today and, only for the excellent Cavan keeper Reilly, could have been ten or twelve points ahead at the end.

Armagh may be in transition, but bringing in a new manager seems to have given them an edge which was missing from the Tyrone set-up. At the same time, Peter McDonnell let himself down today by claiming that he knew nothing about our game, which was played about ten miles from where he lives. It was a comment which indicated that he was worried abut us, and we can probably look forward to some more carry-on in the approach to the semi.

We will go into the match as outsiders, which suits us fine, but our defence is still the big issue. While McVeigh did well again in nets, the full back line from Saturday is probably too small for the likes of Ronan Clarke and Stevie McDonnell. Dan McCartan was one of our heroes on the night, and battled with Cavanagh for everything, but he would be giving away about three stone and four inches against Clarke, who is a specialist full forward and not a converted midfielder like Cavanagh.

James Colgan was not on for long at full back, but he might be worth trying. The obvious marker for McDonnell would have been Martin Cole, but a final appeal against his suspension seems unlikely, so, having snubbed out Dooher, Paul Murphy should be the man for the job, with Luke Howard keeping his place in the other corner.

Doyle and Carr are certainties in the half-back line, but Rafferty, while he may join them, is is on the small side . Lynch did not do badly at midfield, but the pairing there should really be Gordon and Ambrose.

Benny got 1-3 from play switching between the lines, and there is is a strong case for keeping him in in the half forwards with McKernan, who did well when he came on, and Clarke just getting in ahead of Kearney. Sexton needs a free role, and Hughes and McComiskey could do the job in the full forward line. The evidence is that Murtagh would be better coming off the bench, but we have plenty to consider over the next fortnight.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 15, 2008, 10:22:23 PM
All very well written Mourne Rover, but how many times will you have to be told that Paul Murphy cannot and should not feature in a full-back line before you'll listen? Murph is a dynamo, not a shadow.

As for Colgan, i've mooted the idea myself...but it's and idea that should have been tried out months ago... and not tested in an Ulster semi against one of the most complete full-forwards you'll find. For all McCartan's limitations in terms of pace, he has to be a better option.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on June 15, 2008, 10:55:01 PM
Can anyone provide an up-to-date league table for Div 2?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 15, 2008, 11:59:33 PM
Wobbler is correct to point out that switching Murphy to a marking job at corner back will deprive us of the outstanding wing-half in Ulster so far this season, but the problem is that someone will have to take on McDonnell. While the three guys in our full back line on Saturday played their hearts out, it is difficult to see any of them coping with McDonnell. Murphy's attacking instincts might have have to be sacrificed on a one-off basis, as McDonnell on a good day could hit us for 1-6 or more from play which would cost us the game.

I fully agree that Colgan should have been tried at full back at a much earlier stage, and, together with others on this board, I have been suggesting it since last year. He plainly did not want to play there, but he now seems to have accepted that it is his best chance of a starting spot for the time being.

I thought McArdle did not do badly there in the league, but I trust Ross (although I still do not understand why Murphy did not start in Omagh) and it seems clear McArdle is not considered ready for championship football and our no 3 against Armagh will be either Colgan or McCartan.

The bottom line is that, if we can restrict Clarke and McDonnell, this is a game we are capable of winning. You can make statistics prove anything, but, even through an otherwise depressing period, our record in Ulster semi-finals is good. We have failed to get past the first round in nine seasons out of the last 12, but we have won our last four semis in row (94, 96, 99, 03).  As we all know, we are also long overdue a win against Armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 16, 2008, 12:22:22 AM
Down website have full update of Senior league table including Div 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 16, 2008, 12:20:08 PM
We had the misfortune of travelling to Ardglass to play in the reserve championship last night, that was my first time playing there and hopefully the last!!!! Animals who actually believe they are saints!!!!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 16, 2008, 12:20:37 PM
Lads just wondering about the guy who reffed the St Pauls Mitchells game on friday night. Stout lad from Bosco i think. now i know we don't get the cream of refs in div 3 but that was the best refereeing performance i've witnessed in Down for a while. Took no shit from either team, was scrupulously fair and got 99% of the calls right. Most importantly he engaged with the players without talking down to them. What's his name? was this an aberration? and does he get any decent games to ref?

ps as the st pauls lads will tell you praise for a ref from me is high praise indeed.
Title: welcome to our world
Post by: passedit on June 16, 2008, 12:23:53 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 16, 2008, 12:20:08 PM
We had the misfortune of travelling to Ardglass to play in the reserve championship last night, that was my first time playing there and hopefully the last!!!! Animals who actually believe they are saints!!!!

:D :D :D

A trip to play in Ardglass should be on the national curriculum, an essential experience in the path of life.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on June 16, 2008, 12:50:21 PM
has anybody heard when the junior c'ship begins?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on June 16, 2008, 12:52:09 PM
Has anyone got any other results from the reserve championship last night?
Big tom got a great goal last night, its a wonder he forgot to mention it!
:o :o :o :o :o

Actually, it hit off his arse!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 16, 2008, 12:57:02 PM
Ballyholland beat Clonduff in the RFC,  1.15 to 2.01. Harps' keeper threw one into the net. Useless bastard.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 16, 2008, 01:12:03 PM
Quote from: st pauls mcgrath on June 16, 2008, 12:50:21 PM
has anybody heard when the junior c'ship begins?

as far as i know, it starts the second weekend in August.

Friday 8th - Tuesday 12th   Football Championship – Round 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on June 16, 2008, 01:16:51 PM
Thanks Wobbler! We won by 4 8 to 2 4. Should have won by more.
Rostrevor also won.
Anyone else?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turnbacktime on June 16, 2008, 01:25:35 PM
irish independent says that benny coulter also recieved two yellows on saturday evening! i know he got one on the 18th minute, but its saying that he got one on the 67th?????

did the paper make the f*(k up or was it the ref?

Lot of bad press on ardglass in recent times . . . . . no posters from there looking to give an opinion on the Animal - like behaviour?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on June 16, 2008, 01:36:48 PM
Quote from: turnbacktime on June 16, 2008, 01:25:35 PM
irish independent says that benny coulter also recieved two yellows on saturday evening! i know he got one on the 18th minute, but its saying that he got one on the 67th?????

did the paper make the f*(k up or was it the ref?

Lot of bad press on ardglass in recent times . . . . . no posters from there looking to give an opinion on the Animal - like behaviour?

at a minor game recently their attitude was a joke. dogs abuse given to referee (whom they knew on a first name basis) and some players didnt seem to have playin the game as their main priority
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on June 16, 2008, 01:38:56 PM
Quote from: turnbacktime on June 16, 2008, 01:25:35 PM
irish independent says that benny coulter also recieved two yellows on saturday evening! i know he got one on the 18th minute, but its saying that he got one on the 67th?????

did the paper make the f*(k up or was it the ref?

Lot of bad press on ardglass in recent times . . . . . no posters from there looking to give an opinion on the Animal - like behaviour?

Thats because they know its brutal!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 16, 2008, 01:53:44 PM
Dundrumite had a post up there that just dissappeared. What's occurring?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on June 16, 2008, 01:56:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsmNidZbwL4

Just spent the last ten minutes watching this, great memories especially the first half of the donegal game, great work Amallon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on June 16, 2008, 01:58:04 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 16, 2008, 12:20:37 PM
Lads just wondering about the guy who reffed the St Pauls Mitchells game on friday night. Stout lad from Bosco i think. now i know we don't get the cream of refs in div 3 but that was the best refereeing performance i've witnessed in Down for a while. Took no shit from either team, was scrupulously fair and got 99% of the calls right. Most importantly he engaged with the players without talking down to them. What's his name? was this an aberration? and does he get any decent games to ref?

ps as the st pauls lads will tell you praise for a ref from me is high praise indeed.

According to last Tuesday's Irish News that ref was Barry Andrews. Ive always thought he was good too right from underage. You could always talk to him and he would listen before explaining his decisions although I know a few more who cant have him at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 16, 2008, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on June 16, 2008, 12:52:09 PM
Has anyone got any other results from the reserve championship last night?
Big tom got a great goal last night, its a wonder he forgot to mention it!
:o :o :o :o :o

Actually, it hit off his arse!

1on 1 with the keeper  and i calmly slotted him under him.. Stevie from Killeavy rang me today looking advice! ;D

What about Fridays nights games!!! Us v Kilcoo will be interesting.. the magpies would love to be the first to take points of us but i think our lads will be really up for it!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on June 16, 2008, 02:14:07 PM
Think Ross could do worse than throw Big Tom O'Hare into the full forward line to match big francie, the irresistable force vs the immoveable object!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 16, 2008, 02:38:17 PM
Well i carried Coulter through underage football, i was the Mc Gilligan while he was doing the scoring, we were telepathic is one of the most successful underage teams ever in our county, So Ross if you reading this, you know where i live! :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on June 16, 2008, 02:49:53 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 16, 2008, 02:38:17 PM
Well i carried Coulter through underage football, i was the Mc Gilligan while he was doing the scoring, we were telepathic is one of the most successful underage teams ever in our county, So Ross if you reading this, you know where i live! :)

Where's that then Tommy?   Gormans???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on June 16, 2008, 03:21:55 PM
Yeah think he moved to Gormans when he turned 17, before that he had a residence in factory lane, hilltown.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 16, 2008, 06:37:43 PM
Down RFC

Dundrum 0-07  Glasdrumman 6-11

Glasdrumman could surprise a few. Cormac Murphy and Raymond Magorrian are both eligible to play in the RFC this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on June 16, 2008, 07:18:55 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 15, 2008, 11:59:33 PM
Wobbler is correct to point out that switching Murphy to a marking job at corner back will deprive us of the outstanding wing-half in Ulster so far this season, but the problem is that someone will have to take on McDonnell. While the three guys in our full back line on Saturday played their hearts out, it is difficult to see any of them coping with McDonnell. Murphy's attacking instincts might have have to be sacrificed on a one-off basis, as McDonnell on a good day could hit us for 1-6 or more from play which would cost us the game.

I fully agree that Colgan should have been tried at full back at a much earlier stage, and, together with others on this board, I have been suggesting it since last year. He plainly did not want to play there, but he now seems to have accepted that it is his best chance of a starting spot for the time being.

I thought McArdle did not do badly there in the league, but I trust Ross (although I still do not understand why Murphy did not start in Omagh) and it seems clear McArdle is not considered ready for championship football and our no 3 against Armagh will be either Colgan or McCartan.

The bottom line is that, if we can restrict Clarke and McDonnell, this is a game we are capable of winning. You can make statistics prove anything, but, even through an otherwise depressing period, our record in Ulster semi-finals is good. We have failed to get past the first round in nine seasons out of the last 12, but we have won our last four semis in row (94, 96, 99, 03).  As we all know, we are also long overdue a win against Armagh.

I am not sure that Colgan was thrown into full back at all on Saturday night.  McCartan had done a great job at FB, but in the first period of Extra Time Cavanagh was moved to midfield.  I think that is the reason that Colgan was brought on i.e. to tag Cavanagh there.  Ross could not have forecast that Tyrone would have moved Cavanagh back to Full Forward.  So Colgan ended up full back by accident, not a deliberate decision.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 16, 2008, 10:01:14 PM
Quote from: western exile on June 16, 2008, 07:18:55 PM


I am not sure that Colgan was thrown into full back at all on Saturday night.  McCartan had done a great job at FB, but in the first period of Extra Time Cavanagh was moved to midfield.  I think that is the reason that Colgan was brought on i.e. to tag Cavanagh there.  Ross could not have forecast that Tyrone would have moved Cavanagh back to Full Forward.  So Colgan ended up full back by accident, not a deliberate decision.


mc cartan didnt do a great job at full back, he got away with assault on cavanagh!! Every time the ball went into the forward line I was worried. he is lacking pace , power and any ability. armagh will exploit him if he starts. Kevin mc guigan is also way off county standard.

clonduff 1-13 saval 1-10 (think that was the score, clonduff won by 3 anyway)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 16, 2008, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on June 16, 2008, 03:21:55 PM
Yeah think he moved to Gormans when he turned 17, before that he had a residence in factory lane, hilltown.
Has the Cove closed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 16, 2008, 10:41:33 PM
Mon 16th  June
Div one table

P   W   D   L   Pts   SD   Teams
9   9   0   0   18    73   Mayobridge
9   6   1   2   13    45   Kilcoo
9   6   0   3   12     5   Longstone
9   6   0   3   12     1   Clonduff
9   5   1   3   11     0   Rostrevor
9   5   0   4   10    -8   Loughinisland
9   4   1   4    9    13   Castlewellan
9   4   0   5    8   -12   Burren
9   2   2   5    6   -13   Saval
9   2   1   6    5   -13   Ballyholland
9   1   0   8    2   -39   Liatriom
9   1   0   8    2   -52   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 16, 2008, 10:53:54 PM
Dan McCartan did what he had to do on Cavanagh, which was to accept that he could not beat him in the air but generally to harass him, annoy him and put him off his game by all the means at his disposal. He did it very well for most of the game, even he did stretch the rules almost as much as he stretched Cavanagh's jersey on occasions. Crucially, he was not booked until the last couple of minutes of normal time. If he had been given a yellow card earlier, the outcome could have been very different. Cavanagh still scored three points from play, but we would probably have taken that at the start of the night. If he had either scored or set up a goal, as he very nearly did, we would have lost, so McCartan deserved considerable credit.

However, I still do not think that McCartan should be sent out to mark Clarke on Sunday week. Cavanagh did not particularly want to play at full forward, and it showed. Clarke is an out and out number 14, who will relish the physical battle against a smaller man and will simply shrug off most tackles.  No one really knows if Colgan or possibly Turley, who are both over 6 ft, can play full back at county level, but they are much more likely to present a proper physical challenge to Clarke.

Taking Murphy out of the half back line and putting him on McDonald is also a big risk, but we need to look at the context. Howard and Rafferty are decent defenders, but again on the small side, and they found both Penrose and McCullough tough going on Saturday night. McDonald is in a different league to the Tyrone corner forwards, and, especially if Clarke is regularly wining possession for him, is capable of running riot.

It's not an exact comparison by any means, but Seamus Moynihan was at one stage by some distance the best centre half in Ireland. When Kerry needed a full back, Moynihan was switched there without hesitation and he did the job required. Armagh will play a two-man full forward line which will demand physically strong and mobile defending on our part. It will also need an extra defender in there, which might be the best role for McCartan. Naming the same starting defence as against Tyrone would be the easy call, but the wrong one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 17, 2008, 07:11:14 AM
QuoteMcDonald is in a different league to the Tyrone corner forwards,

Who is McDonald? Is he good?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on June 17, 2008, 09:04:46 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 17, 2008, 07:11:14 AM
QuoteMcDonald is in a different league to the Tyrone corner forwards,

Who is McDonald? Is he good?

Stupid question! Every1 knows he is the guy who sells the burgers, fries and McFlurrys. Think he is partially responsible for the 1000s and 1000s of fat kids in the country
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 17, 2008, 11:25:55 AM
QuoteWe had the misfortune of travelling to Ardglass to play in the reserve championship last night, that was my first time playing there and hopefully the last!!!! Animals who actually believe they are saints!!!!

:D  ;D  :D

  A rite of passage for any East Down footballer Mr O'Hare.  Youse South Down boys think it's all glamour and champagne football!

  Fortunately for you, a Sunday afternoon away game in the lashing rain and driving wind against Killyleagh in Wolfe Tone Park in the early nineties was never going to be an option for you Spice Boys! 

  Ardglass reserves on a sunny Sunday evening is a cake walk in comparison!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 17, 2008, 11:31:19 AM
Im starting to hear from a lot of people in East Down about a young lad that plays for St Pauls called Daniel Eastwood.I think he is still U-14. Talking to other teams and that,supposedly he is one of the most talented young players around. What do the St Pauls posters make of him?

As for travelling to Fortress Ardtole, T O'Hare, I should of warned you. Its not a nice place to go. Although as No1 mentions its nowhere as near as welcoming as Wolfe Tone Park, Killyleagh.
I brought an U-16 team there a few years back. We beat them well but instead of packing our things and heading off to savour our victory, we were swamped by the team and their supporters. A couple of fights broke out and the Killyleagh mafia chased us up the hill to our bus with stones and bottles.Lovely people.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on June 17, 2008, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 17, 2008, 11:31:19 AM
Im starting to hear from a lot of people in East Down about a young lad that plays for St Pauls called Daniel Eastwood.I think he is still U-14. Talking to other teams and that,supposedly he is one of the most talented young players around. What do the St Pauls posters make of him?


well DF havnt seen an awful lot of him playing myself but from wat i have seen he is a very good footballer. plays off both feet and can take people on. if u look through some of the match reports for u14 the personal tallies he racks up speaks for itself. only problem is he tend to hold onto the ball a bit too long. however hopefully with time he'll grow out of this and is certainly 1 for the future of st.pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 17, 2008, 11:52:21 AM
just want to echo what Mr. McGrath has said, a great talent who can play off both feet, can take his scores but does tend to over carry the ball every now and again, but he will grow and develop as he gets older and will no doubt be a member of many a Down panel over the next few years.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 17, 2008, 12:33:51 PM
Having read about young Eastwood at St Paul's...I'd say that everyone would have a special talent at their club at U 12/14/16 level who would be expected to eventually "make it".

Who's yours?

We have a couple of exciting prospects in Rory Keenan at U 16 and Tiernan Rushe at U 12....Robbie White would have come in to this bracket last year but you could say he has "made it" because he has already played minor c'ship for Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 17, 2008, 12:39:48 PM
i will be advising Mickey Donnelly that if we win the senior championship this year and need a few challenge matches before the ulster campaign that a few games in Ardglass would make Ulster look like a sparring match...
worst of it is they have some decent footballers but reminded of playing under 12 west Belfast teams  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on June 17, 2008, 12:47:03 PM
Ardglass have good footballers but will always be a shower only a mother could love.
Playing in ardtole is a frightening episode but not as scary as playing behind the primary school you never knew who would hit first the players or the mouthy supporters.
Ardglass now seem to have the mentality that everyone is against them and it even has some east down refs afraid of their actions just ask drumgath/glassdrumman players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 17, 2008, 01:04:22 PM
Young eastwood is a grandson of Barney's so unfortunately there's a bit of Tyrone blood there. Not to worry though he's a good un, good balance, strong, quick and deadly with both feet. I wouldn't worry about the overcarrying, when he has to he can spot and give a pass.

I haven't seen as good a footballer since i saw wee james in action at the same age. I was at st pauls u14 game v St Johns last night and they had to take him off at half time because he looked like he was playing two grades below himself.

That said he has a long road to travel yet and there's many a slip awaiting. not only women and drink but he's just as handy at the soccer and rugby apparently so i wouldn't be hailing the messiah just yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 17, 2008, 01:08:10 PM
You really shouldn't mention the names of any talented youth players on a public discussion board like this.

Loughinisland will have them all signed up by the end of the summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 17, 2008, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: off the laces on June 17, 2008, 12:47:03 PM
Ardglass have good footballers but will always be a shower only a mother could love.
Playing in ardtole is a frightening episode but not as scary as playing behind the primary school you never knew who would hit first the players or the mouthy supporters.
Ardglass now seem to have the mentality that everyone is against them and it even has some east down refs afraid of their actions just ask drumgath/glassdrumman players

Never a great idea to go sprinting down the wing in that old place, could end up on yer hole with not a player near you very handy. Running the gauntlet i think it's called
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 17, 2008, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 17, 2008, 01:08:10 PM
You really shouldn't mention the names of any talented youth players on a public discussion board like this.

Loughinisland will have them all signed up by the end of the summer.

Good call Lecale. You dont want them bastards gettin wind of any potential stars.  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 17, 2008, 04:59:42 PM
What are the names of the stands in Clones again.  Gerry Arthurs is the seated stand.

Seated area opposite Gerry Arthurs =  ???
The big Terrace that runs the length of the field = McGrane stand??
Behind the goals at the Clones side =
Behind the goals at the countryside end =
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 17, 2008, 08:56:40 PM
Quote from: No1 on June 17, 2008, 11:25:55 AM
QuoteWe had the misfortune of travelling to Ardglass to play in the reserve championship last night, that was my first time playing there and hopefully the last!!!! Animals who actually believe they are saints!!!!

:D  ;D  :D

  A rite of passage for any East Down footballer Mr O'Hare.  Youse South Down boys think it's all glamour and champagne football!

  Fortunately for you, a Sunday afternoon away game in the lashing rain and driving wind against Killyleagh in Wolfe Tone Park in the early nineties was never going to be an option for you Spice Boys! 

  Ardglass reserves on a sunny Sunday evening is a cake walk in comparison!

Got chased out of Wolfe Tone Park twice, once with stones and had to leg it down the lane and onto the bus.............and that was at under 12. Good times :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on June 17, 2008, 09:13:55 PM
FAO lfdown...  fella that was taken to hospital after getting hurt during our match on friday night,  any word of how he is??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on June 17, 2008, 10:11:37 PM
he broke his leg, cast up til the hip for bout 6 weeks!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 17, 2008, 10:14:49 PM
Hurling results? Portaferry beat Ballygalget 2-13 to 9pts in Div 1. Any others?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 17, 2008, 10:16:30 PM
Where you in Cherryvale tonight lecale? :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 17, 2008, 10:23:40 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on June 17, 2008, 10:16:30 PM
Where you in Cherryvale tonight lecale? :-[
No couldn't make it. I was in Ballygalget instead. How did it go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 17, 2008, 10:29:19 PM
No comment, ask a club member....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on June 17, 2008, 10:54:15 PM
Quote from: amallon on June 17, 2008, 04:59:42 PM
What are the names of the stands in Clones again.  Gerry Arthurs is the seated stand.

Seated area opposite Gerry Arthurs =  ???
The big Terrace that runs the length of the field = McGrane stand??
Behind the goals at the Clones side =
Behind the goals at the countryside end =

I have always heard that referred to as The Hill.  Does it also have another name?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on June 18, 2008, 08:40:36 AM
Seated area opposite Gerry Arthurs =  McGrane, terrace above is "The Hill"
The big Terrace that runs the length of the field = McGrane stand??
Behind the goals at the Clones side =O Duffy Terrace??
Behind the goals at the countryside end = East stand
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on June 18, 2008, 09:09:24 AM
liatroim shamrocks match off, no ref afaik togged out and all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on June 18, 2008, 10:40:18 AM
Quote from: amallon on June 17, 2008, 04:59:42 PM
What are the names of the stands in Clones again.  Gerry Arthurs is the seated stand.

Seated area opposite Gerry Arthurs =  ???
The big Terrace that runs the length of the field = McGrane stand??
Behind the goals at the Clones side =
Behind the goals at the countryside end =

Come on Aiden - yis haven't been away that long
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 18, 2008, 11:56:05 AM
QuoteQuote from: off the laces on June 17, 2008, 12:47:03 PM
Ardglass have good footballers but will always be a shower only a mother could love.
Playing in ardtole is a frightening episode but not as scary as playing behind the primary school you never knew who would hit first the players or the mouthy supporters.
Ardglass now seem to have the mentality that everyone is against them and it even has some east down refs afraid of their actions just ask drumgath/glassdrumman players


Never a great idea to go sprinting down the wing in that old place, could end up on yer hole with not a player near you very handy. Running the gauntlet i think it's called

  Brings back the glory days of Kilclief, S*ul, Ardglass and Bright all in Division 4 at the same time, and we wondered why we couldn't entice boys away from other sports!

  The S*ul "pitch" at Lough Money was another cracker, although they were too busy chasing sheep to scrap  ;D

  I'll always remember their U-12's hiding behind the wall in their Derby County strip afraid to play the mighty Green n Reds!!  The tubes.  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 18, 2008, 12:02:28 PM
When did Down last play in Clones?  Was it a qualifier against Donegal?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on June 18, 2008, 12:29:46 PM
2004 League semi against Donegal ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maximus Marillius on June 18, 2008, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: umpire on June 16, 2008, 10:41:33 PM
Mon 16th  June
Div one table

P   W   D   L   Pts   SD   Teams
9   9   0   0   18    73   Mayobridge
9   6   1   2   13    45   Kilcoo
9   6   0   3   12     5   Longstone
9   6   0   3   12     1   Clonduff
9   5   1   3   11     0   Rostrevor
9   5   0   4   10    -8   Loughinisland
9   4   1   4    9    13   Castlewellan
9   4   0   5    8   -12   Burren
9   2   2   5    6   -13   Saval
9   2   1   6    5   -13   Ballyholland
9   1   0   8    2   -39   Liatriom
9   1   0   8    2   -52   An Riocht


whats happening with Burren...Barton was the big name appointment....all pear shaped looking or is it a case of the Burren big chiefs having unrealistic aspirations of themselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 18, 2008, 01:11:00 PM
Just thought I'd try to generate some chat about the impending club championship!

Who if anyone will stop Mayobridge going for 4 in a row?
Seems at the minute the most likely contenders would be Kilcoo (inconsistent though), Longstone (was last year a 1 off,big miss with mark poland out), Burren (They will improve for the championship) and my tip to challenge this year is Castlewellan (They're looking the strongest they've been for quite a few years).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on June 18, 2008, 01:33:58 PM
Lonstone have been playing there last 4/5 games without 5/6 boys from their championship team last year.  They'll be there, dont worry.  Its way to early to compare league with championship yet though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 18, 2008, 01:40:45 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on June 17, 2008, 10:29:19 PM
No comment, ask a club member....

4-16 to 2-02
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 18, 2008, 01:54:29 PM
Looking at that league table the teams you would have expected to be near the top before the season started are at there or there about.  I expected the Kingdom to be a lot more competitive than they are.  Whether or not the Kingdom and Laitroim can acrue adequate points to avoid automatic relegation  is starting to look doubtful.  

We play Kilcoo on Friday night and this will be an interesting game for both teams.  Kilcoo have had a fairly average start to the league (by their standards), loosing games they would normally win.  Are they trying to peak later this year or are they not the same force they were?  The Stone are sitting nicely in contention to as are Clonduff.  I can't believe Rostrevor are as high as they are, they were dismal against us in Rostrevor.  They maybe got the kick in the backside the needed that night.

After Kilcoo, Saval will be the only team we haven't played so I can't say much about them apart from the have been running teams close.  Ballyholland on their performance in the Bridge seemed a better team than their league position suggests.  They were much harder beaten than Clonduff, Rostrevor and possibly Loughinisland.  Maybe they raised their game for the Derby match
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maximus Marillius on June 18, 2008, 01:56:45 PM
Quote from: amallon on June 18, 2008, 01:54:29 PM
Looking at that league table the teams you would have expected to be near the top before the season started are at there or there about.  I expected the Kingdom to be a lot more competitive than they are.  Whether or not the Kingdom and Laitroim can acrue adequate points to avoid automatic relegation  is starting to look doubtful.  

We play Kilcoo on Friday night and this will be an interesting game for both teams.  Kilcoo have had a fairly average start to the league (by their standards), loosing games they would normally win.  Are they trying to peak later this year or are they not the same force they were?  The Stone are sitting nicely in contention to as are Clonduff.  I can't believe Rostrevor are as high as they are, they were dismal against us in Rostrevor.  They maybe got the kick in the backside the needed that night.

After Kilcoo, Saval will be the only team we haven't played so I can't say much about them apart from the have been running teams close.  Ballyholland on their performance in the Bridge seemed a better team than their league position suggests.  They were much harder beaten than Clonduff, Rostrevor and possibly Loughinisland.  Maybe they raised their game for the Derby match

amallon what about Burren?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 18, 2008, 02:15:09 PM
Not too sure about Burren we beat them in the first day of the season fairly comfortably.  I'd imagine starred games will hurt them in the league and they had a few injuries earlier in the season.  I don't know what the story is with their injury list now.  They probably will be pushing for a top 4 spot.  Last year there wasn't a pile of difference points wise from being in the lower end of the top 4 or the top end of the bottom 4, they end up anywhere.
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Post by: umpire on June 18, 2008, 11:38:59 PM
Maximus Marillius.

Mayobridge have already won 4 in a row. They are looking for 5 in a row this year.

Still think Bryansford is the biggest danger to Bridge.
I fancy the Ford to beat Castlewellan in first round

Rostrevor have lost big game players, Jarlath Austin, Ciaran Sloan. Sean Farrell and Lloyd Parr.
they have now got Conor Daly, Martin Doran and Eamon McConville back from injuries to boost their weak forward line.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 18, 2008, 11:47:44 PM
Apologies to Maximus Marillius

I meant the message to D45 re Mayobridge have already 4 in a row.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 19, 2008, 10:25:37 AM
The best teams I've seen this season apart from Mayobridge are Castlewellan and Kilcoo. Both of those have got settled teams that work hard for each other. Neither would have the gears that Mayobridge have though. There is something about the Sky Blues now where they know when they turn it on, they won't be beaten by anyone in Down.

Bryansford shouldn't count this year. Division II football is simply no preparation for the intensity of the SFC.

Loughinisland and Longstone would appear to have the individuals to put up a good fight, but it's questionable if they have the team ethic, tactics, etc.

Bridge have two possible areas where they can be beaten.

The most prominent one is their midfield, which is functional at best and is an area of the field in which they would actually rank towards the bottom in the SFC. Woodsy isn't a 60 minute man anymore by any stretch of the imagination. Michael Lively was tried there against us, and I believe has played there quite often this season, but he doesn't have the power to win regular ball against genuine SFC midfielders. Caldwell blows hot and cold. From an outsider's perspective, Cathal Magee would look the obvious option for a berth there, but obviously they don't see it that way in the Bridge.

The other area is in team selection. I'd say at most 10 of the 'Bridge team is guaranteed a start come Championship team. There's probably 10+ fellas vying for the other 5 berths, with very little between them in terms of potential. While this is a healthy arrangement in terms of getting people focused at training, it does leave them possibly open to panic stations if their opponents get off to a flyer.

In truth though, we're clutching at straws here. They're the best team in the county by 5 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 19, 2008, 11:18:41 AM
My apologies for saying the bridge are going for 4 in a row...could amallon just confirm for me so I am 100% sure i need to apologise :)  If so SORRY!  Still think Castlewellan could be a dark horse
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 19, 2008, 12:01:26 PM
Yep I can confirm we have won 4 in a row. You can apologise now!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 19, 2008, 12:38:15 PM
Ok sorry everyone :D Please forgive me!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pearses on June 19, 2008, 12:42:58 PM
Carr has eight-week ban quashed 

Ross Carr was outspoken after the defeat by Fermanagh
Down manager Ross Carr has been cleared to run the sideline after having an eight-week suspension quashed by the Disputes Resolution Authority.

Carr was banned for criticising a referee after his team's National League defeat by Fermanagh in April.

An initial appeal was turned down before he was granted 'interim relief' to be in the Down dugout for the Ulster SFC games against Tyrone.

A further appeal was upheld by the DRA on Wednesday night.

Carr will now be on the sideline for the Ulster SFC semi-final against Armagh on 29 June.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7463502.stm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on June 19, 2008, 12:50:32 PM
Proper order.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 19, 2008, 01:55:03 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 19, 2008, 12:50:32 PM
Proper order.

We're gonna need somebody like Johnny Cochran to get DJ off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on June 19, 2008, 02:22:33 PM
Maybe not a bad thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on June 19, 2008, 02:29:20 PM
Rostrevor were admittedly woeful against Mayobridge.  I think the Bridge were awesome that night though.  Probably some of the best football they have played, and as we have seen in games since they are doing it regularly now.
The thing about that game though is that it is the only one Rostrevor have lost since the second game of the league.  They lost their first two games and have picked up 11 points from the next 14 available. 
We are going through a rebuilding stage though.  Gone are the likes of Jarlath Austin, Gary Farrell and Sean Farrell.  Lloyd Parr has played about 2 games all year.  These were some serious players for us, especially Austin and Parr.  Conor Daly has played a few games and has looked class when he has played but again he is having seriously problems putting a few games together.  They were the last survivors of the championship winning team from 10 years ago and we have to realise they are now gone (Daly apart).
The team we are playing with now is effectively a new team for the next 3/4 years.  The leaders on it would be Eddie Magee, Jarlath Farrell, Sean Parr and Eamon McConville.  It takes a while for a team to come through and they have been doing alright this year, the Bridge game aside.  As regards the final outcome of the season, it looks like they will stay clear of relegation, and have as much chance as 4 or 5 teams of getting in top 4.  Championship will be a tough one against Loughinisland and big Dan but again, it would be no surprise if they did it. 
Like many others though i cant see anyone touching the Bridge if they keeo going the way they are. 
Title: Division 3 promotion and relegation
Post by: passedit on June 19, 2008, 04:50:06 PM
Now that the leagues are half way through could someone enlighten me as to the mechanism for promotion and relegation from division three. I've been told that there will be no playoffs with the bottom three going down and the top two up. surely this would be grossly unfair to drumgath especially, or is this the CO board's way of sticking two fingers up at them for last years debacle?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 19, 2008, 07:31:49 PM
its drumgaths fault that the league is in the state it is with 2 many teams in it. It would be justice if they went down. play offs work with the bottom 4 play off and three go down. any team with less than 30% of the top team in the league go straight down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 19, 2008, 07:38:27 PM
Took a look at the 1st Round draw of the IFC there. This must be the weakest field that the IFC has had in years. Annaclone and Warrenpoint will probably be backed as the two favourites.
There is a direct split of Division 2 and Division 3 teams in it with 8  coming from each grade.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on June 19, 2008, 07:51:02 PM
Stiff breeze, i dont agree that its drumgaths fault at all. the county board tried to change the rules to suit the situation in which they found themselves, a situation which they had also created themselves. to say that it would be justice if they were relegated sounds puerile.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 19, 2008, 09:53:49 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on June 19, 2008, 07:31:49 PM
its drumgaths fault that the league is in the state it is with 2 many teams in it. It would be justice if they went down. play offs work with the bottom 4 play off and three go down. any team with less than 30% of the top team in the league go straight down.

Are you sure about that stiff breeze, i'm being told no playoffs. Which, considering they were introduced to allow starred games to be played, would be grossly unfair. BTW I was thinking promotion playoffs rather than relegation for drumgath. It's also unfair on the other teams because it's luck of the draw whether you play them with or without their county players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 19, 2008, 10:27:49 PM
Good points Passetit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 19, 2008, 11:49:55 PM
Welcome to Super Dude on this tread to keep us inform of Super Reds.

Regarding this year's Championship, everyone seem to tiip the Bridge to win it.

Super Dude could tell us that they should have beaten the Bridge in 2007, I feel that the Bridge are in danger of peaking too soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 20, 2008, 01:47:45 AM
Quote from: umpire on June 19, 2008, 11:49:55 PM
Welcome to Super Dude on this tread to keep us inform of Super Reds.

Regarding this year's Championship, everyone seem to tiip the Bridge to win it.

Super Dude could tell us that they should have beaten the Bridge in 2007, I feel that the Bridge are in danger of peaking too soon.

why would we be peaking too soon?, sure the championship was meant to be this week, all teams should be at championship level at  minute!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 20, 2008, 10:22:08 AM
Tonights club betting

2/7 Longstone 7/1 Ballyholland 3/1
2/5 Mayobridge 7/1 Kilcoo 2/1
4/6 Clonduff 6/4 L'island 11/8
1/1 Castlewellan 6/1 Rostrevor 4/5
1/3 Burren 7/1 An Riocht 9/4
5/6 Atticall 6/1 Warrenpoint 5/6
4/7 Ballymartin 6/1 Banbridge 6/4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on June 20, 2008, 10:57:46 AM
D45 where are those odds from??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 20, 2008, 11:07:17 AM
Called into Hughes bookies warrenpoint last night!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on June 20, 2008, 11:15:41 AM
Castlewellan at evens anyone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 20, 2008, 11:19:06 AM
Could be a great bet thrown in with a couple of the short priced so called 'certs'!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on June 20, 2008, 11:26:33 AM
Many thanks umpire for your kind welcome.

I will attempt to keep you informed of all things Super Reds.
Should we have beaten the bridge last year?  We COULD have beaten the bridge but i think the replay showed their true form.  They cleaned us out that day.

What last year does show is that the bridge can be caught though on any day.  The stone pushed them to the limit in both games in the final.  I think the stone again will be the main opposition especailly with Ambrose playing like he is.
Castlewellan are an unknown quantity.  You never really know what you are going to get.  We play them tonight and god only knows how the game will end up.
Bryansford are a dangerous team too as last years championship showed.  Div 2 football may stand against them, but not to the extent that people think.
Clonduff arent bad, but i just cant see it.
Burren with a full team are strong.  But will they get a full team?
Loughinisland are a good side.  Gordon is the main man and if he isnt marked out of it then he could destroy you with possession all day.
Kilcoo.  You know what you get from them.  If you dont match their work rate they will beat you.  If you do, they find it tough.
For the other teams, perhaps us included, the league i believe is the main priority.  Survival is what its all about, although we will give the championship a rattle when it comes around.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on June 20, 2008, 11:41:32 AM
Quote from: D4S on June 20, 2008, 10:22:08 AM
Tonights club betting

2/7 Longstone 7/1 Ballyholland 3/1
2/5 Mayobridge 7/1 Kilcoo 2/1
4/6 Clonduff 6/4 L'island 11/8
1/1 Castlewellan 6/1 Rostrevor 4/5
1/3 Burren 7/1 An Riocht 9/4
5/6 Atticall 6/1 Warrenpoint 5/6
4/7 Ballymartin 6/1 Banbridge 6/4

Ballymartin-Banbridge game is on Monday night, not sure why, i'm just a player why would the tell us anything??
Goin to the Point then to throw my house on Ballymartin!!!! :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 20, 2008, 11:48:51 AM


Ballymartin-Banbridge game is on Monday night, not sure why, i'm just a player why would the tell us anything??
Goin to the Point then to throw my house on Ballymartin!!!! :'(
[/quote]

Don't do that surely it would cause devastation and lead to the deaths of many players and possibly some fans :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 20, 2008, 06:51:36 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 19, 2008, 09:53:49 PM
Are you sure about that stiff breeze, i'm being told no playoffs. Which, considering they were introduced to allow starred games to be played, would be grossly unfair. BTW I was thinking promotion playoffs rather than relegation for drumgath. It's also unfair on the other teams because it's luck of the draw whether you play them with or without their county players.

100% sure. contacted the county board over it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on June 20, 2008, 07:40:09 PM
Why are they betting on club matches now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 20, 2008, 08:51:33 PM
Div 3

Bredagh beat St pauls 0-10 to 1-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on June 20, 2008, 09:11:54 PM
DIV 3

Drumgath 0-15
Mitchels 0-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 20, 2008, 09:28:21 PM
Bridge 0-8 Kilcoo 1-7

Good win for Kilcoo the Bridge weren't at the races tonight, The Bridge started without Pluggy Barry and Conor Garvey who were on a stag.  Ryan Brady got a block dropped on his hand at work today and Caldwell got wrecked at training during the week. The Bridge hit 12 wides in a row it was one of them nights.  It think there is a change of tack from Kilcoo this year, instead of peaking in April they are peaking now when they and everyone else thought the Championship would take place.  They will be dangerous opposition.  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on June 20, 2008, 09:42:00 PM
Downpatrick 2-8 Annaclone 1-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 20, 2008, 10:12:42 PM
Down ACFL Division 2

Dundrum 0-12  Bryansford 4-14

We sat back and watched the Ford play some great football in the 1st Half. At the break they were well ahead 2-10 to 0-03.

The 2nd Half was completely different. We showed some great courage and we took the game to them.We pretty much had the upperhand in the possession stakes. We hit 0-09 to their 2-04.

That 2nd period was probably our best 30 minutes of the season. Hopefully now we can improve further on this and start climbing the table.

Again, losing possession around our half forward/midfield area is crucifying us. 3 of the 4 goals were the result of us giving away the ball.

The Ford are a good, honest team. They have started to bring in a few of their Minors from last year and they seem to be fitting in nicely. Conor Maginn was brilliant. I can see him making the Down squad next year. Again, Kalum King was excellent around the middle while Conor Gribben played intermittently at times in full forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 20, 2008, 11:12:17 PM
                          Division 1
Mayobridge 0.07 Kilkoo 1.08--Clonduff 1.06 Loughinisland 3.06---Longstone 3.15 Ballyholland 2.11----Castlewellan 0.08 Rostrevor 0.09---Burren 2.09 An Riocht 1.07

                ACFL Division 2
Attical 2.10 Warrenpoint 1.10----Darragh Cross 0.10 Shamrocks 0.12---Downpatrick 2.08 Annaclone 1.09----Kilclief 3.07 Tullylish 0.15------Dundrum 0.12 Bryansford 4.14
                   Acfl Division 3

Bosco 1.11 Glassdrumman 0.13----Saul 0.07 Ardglass 2.06----Teconnaught 1.13 Glenn 0.08--St.Pauls 0.10 Bredagh 1.11--Drumaness 1.09 St. Micheals 2.09--Drumgath 0.15 Mitchells 0.08
                 ACFL Division 4
Bright 0.15 Aghaderg 0.14---St. Johns 4.20 Ballykinlar 1.07---Dromara 0.14 Aughlisnafin 0.07 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 20, 2008, 11:25:49 PM
Div 3 Standings (if wobbller's scores are correct)

P   Pts   Div 3
13   21   Ardglass
13   19   G'drumman
13   18   Bredagh
12   17   Carryduff
13   16   Drumgath
13   13   Drumaness
13   12   St Micheals
13   11   St Pauls
13   10   Saul
13   9   Bosco
13   9   Glenn
13   9   T'aught
13   6   Mitchels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 21, 2008, 12:05:22 AM
Looks like a tight finish is coming as division three goes into the second half of the season, with five strong teams contesting the four play-off places. Ardglass are notoriously hard to beat on their own ground, but discipline will be an issue for them. Glasdrumman are probably the best side in the division, and establishing a reserve set-up has helped them, but they are going through a bad patch. There is very little to chose between Bredagh and Carryduff, and it will be difficult for Drumgath to make a late run without Lynch and Downey. While Glasdrumman and Bredagh might just do it, anything is possible in a cut-throat league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 21, 2008, 12:32:29 AM
Latest Div one Table

Fri 20th June

P   W   D   L   Pts   SD   Teams
10   9   0   1   18    69   Mayobridge
10   7   1   2   15    49   Kilcoo
10   7   0   3   14    12   Longstone
10   6   1   3   13     1   Rostrevor
10   6   0   4   12     1   Clonduff
10   6   0   4   12    -2   Loughinisland
10   5   0   5   10    -7   Burren
10   4   1   5    9    12   Castlewellan
9   2   2   5    6   -13   Saval
10   2   1   7    5   -20   Ballyholland
9   1   0   8    2   -39   Liatriom
10   1   0   9    2   -57   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 21, 2008, 01:02:09 AM
Correction

P   W   D   L   Pts   SD   Teams
10   9   0   1   18    69   Mayobridge
10   7   1   2   15    49   Kilcoo
10   7   0   3   14    12   Longstone
10   6   1   3   13     1   Rostrevor
10   6   0   4   12    -2   Loughinisland
10   6   0   4   12    -5   Clonduff
10   5   0   5   10    -7   Burren
10   4   1   5    9    12   Castlewellan
9   2   2   5    6   -13   Saval
10   2   1   7    5   -20   Ballyholland
9   1   0   8    2   -39   Liatriom
10   1   0   9    2   -57   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 21, 2008, 12:03:37 PM
Latest Down ACFL Division 2 Table

                        Played     Points

Bryansford            10           20
Warrenpoint         10           13
Atticall                 10            13
Ballymartin             9            12
----------------------------------------------
Banbridge              9            12
Annaclone             10           10
Shamrocks            10            10
Downpatrick          10            8
-----------------------------------------------
Darragh Cross         10            8
Kilclief                    10           5
Tullylish                  10           4
Dundrum                10           2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on June 21, 2008, 01:38:34 PM
bridge were severly weakened last night.  bout ten boys that would have played had they been fit or availible to play.  having said that we had all the play second half and had far to many wides in a game we could have won!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on June 21, 2008, 02:46:36 PM
As Mallon and Bridgegael says we were missing a lot of players last night, our squad stretched to the limits. Cathal Magee was playing, y'ad know he hasn't played competively in a while, very disappointing! But Kilcoo were at full strenght and we did miss a hell of a lot of scores. Missed four in last five mins, two easy frees. But its only first loss of season, done very well up to this stage! Have to lose first game some time. Pluggy and Garvey two massive misses in the forward line, also Walsh got injured early on!
On Kilcoo, they look very sharp all over, Laverty was a constant menace all night! I know he's small but think he'd be worth being a squad member with the county!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 21, 2008, 03:53:16 PM
A little bit of journey and Down v Tyrone highlights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32oyPdlSfIQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32oyPdlSfIQ)

Highlights of the Bridge Kilcoo game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dSFgjeM2Pk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dSFgjeM2Pk)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack4ever on June 21, 2008, 08:12:56 PM
Thanks for the wee look at the Tyrone V Down game from last week.

Setanta NA didn't show it all here and Mr. redandblack4ever is pretty pissed about it and so am I. I listened to the game live on Five FM and we both wanted to see it.

Can you make a DVD of it??? Only joking...

Mrs. redandblack4ever
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on June 21, 2008, 08:13:40 PM
super job amallon!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 21, 2008, 09:08:23 PM
Mallon,
Thanks for the Down v Tyrone footage - you are fast becoming the people's hero with your super vids.  I've been gagging to see footage of this game since I left the marshes last Sat.  I would love to see a actual time DVD of it if anyone knows of one?

If you should ever enter the Eurovision I will vote 4U.  Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 21, 2008, 11:06:23 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 20, 2008, 10:12:42 PM
Down ACFL Division 2

Dundrum 0-12  Bryansford 4-14

We sat back and watched the Ford play some great football in the 1st Half. At the break they were well ahead 2-10 to 0-03.

The 2nd Half was completely different. We showed some great courage and we took the game to them.We pretty much had the upperhand in the possession stakes. We hit 0-09 to their 2-04.

That 2nd period was probably our best 30 minutes of the season. Hopefully now we can improve further on this and start climbing the table.

Again, losing possession around our half forward/midfield area is crucifying us. 3 of the 4 goals were the result of us giving away the ball.

The Ford are a good, honest team. They have started to bring in a few of their Minors from last year and they seem to be fitting in nicely. Conor Maginn was brilliant. I can see him making the Down squad next year. Again, Kalum King was excellent around the middle while Conor Gribben played intermittently at times in full forward.

I would say there are alot worse on the county this year, maginn has been our playmaker all year, he definately upstaged McComiskey last night, imagine them two and Ciaran Brannigan in your forward line!
Why was McComiskey released last night, very strange
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 22, 2008, 12:07:43 AM
Maginn and Brannigan both did very well for the Down u21s this year, but, while Maginn may fill out even more, it is sadly hard to believe that Brannigan could ever be big enough for senior county football. It is verging on the astonishing that McComiskey was allowed to play club football a week before an Ulster semi, and it must be pretty clear that he will not start against Armagh.

Murtagh will be fortunate to hold his place after two fairly ordinary displays against Tyrone, but he is always likely to be well up for a game against Armagh. Our forward line has plenty of flexibility, especially if Ambrose switches to midfield and McKernan comes in, but the defence remains the big concern.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on June 22, 2008, 08:56:33 AM
The game against Armagh will hinge on how we cope with Clarke and McDonnell.  It's as simple as if we do not deal with their potent threat then we will join Tyrone and Derry in the rear entry ;)

There are two ways we can do that:

A) Swamp the defense with  bodies giving them no space to do their stuff.

or

B) Stop the supply of ball into them, win the lions share of midfield possession and essentially 70%+ of breaking ball.

I think we will be quite capable of the latter given the performances of Gordon and Rogers and the ability we showed in reading and sweeping break ball in both Tyrone Games (first 20 mins of the Omagh game excluded).

We have enough offensive threat to win an all ireland, I really do believe that, but if we do not shore up the defence we will not get past the Ulster.  All 15 players are defenders and must work in units to force turnover ball...Turnover ball could well decide this game, I can't see Armagh giving the ball away as much as Tyrone did and we can ill-afford to give as many turnovers as we did against Tyrone. Possession is vital, McDonnell and Clarke will be no threat if we have the ball.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on June 22, 2008, 09:36:50 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 22, 2008, 08:56:33 AM

B) Stop the supply of ball into them, win the lions share of midfield possession and essentially 70%+ of breaking ball.

I think we will be quite capable of the latter given the performances of Gordon and Rogers and the ability we showed in reading and sweeping break ball in both Tyrone Games

Get real. not a team in ireland would enjoy a 70+ % share of breaking ball. and thats before you attempt to "win the lion's share" (how big a share do you reckon that to be?) against McGrane and toner.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 22, 2008, 11:41:43 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 22, 2008, 12:07:43 AM

Murtagh will be fortunate to hold his place after two fairly ordinary displays against Tyrone, but he is always likely to be well up for a game against Armagh. Our forward line has plenty of flexibility, especially if Ambrose switches to midfield and McKernan comes in, but the defence remains the big concern.


Mutagh had a great game during the first match, second time out he was fairly good though not his best. He has been doing the most running in the team this year along with sexton. Not his job to get scores this year , more to win the break ball and also do lots of tracking and breaking up of the play between the half back and half forward line. Alot of his and sextons work goes unnoticed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 22, 2008, 11:55:40 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 22, 2008, 08:56:33 AM
The game against Armagh will hinge on how we cope with Clarke and McDonnell.  It's as simple as if we do not deal with their potent threat then we will join Tyrone and Derry in the rear entry ;)

There are two ways we can do that:

A) Swamp the defense with  bodies giving them no space to do their stuff.

or

B) Stop the supply of ball into them, win the lions share of midfield possession and essentially 70%+ of breaking ball.

I think we will be quite capable of the latter given the performances of Gordon and Rogers and the ability we showed in reading and sweeping break ball in both Tyrone Games (first 20 mins of the Omagh game excluded).

We have enough offensive threat to win an all ireland, I really do believe that, but if we do not shore up the defence we will not get past the Ulster.  All 15 players are defenders and must work in units to force turnover ball...Turnover ball could well decide this game, I can't see Armagh giving the ball away as much as Tyrone did and we can ill-afford to give as many turnovers as we did against Tyrone. Possession is vital, McDonnell and Clarke will be no threat if we have the ball.



did you see armagh play last week?? Their midfield was immense. If our midfield limits mc grane and toner to very few clean catches they will have played well IMO. Its up to our defence to cope with mc donnell and clarke which dan mc cartan if he starts will find extremly tough. flooding our defence is out of the question because we need to bring the game to armagh same as we did to tyrone and not just try to stop them playing. Down must play to their strengths which is attacking football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 22, 2008, 12:42:02 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on June 21, 2008, 09:08:23 PM
Mallon,
Thanks for the Down v Tyrone footage - you are fast becoming the people's hero with your super vids.  I've been gagging to see footage of this game since I left the marshes last Sat.  I would love to see a actual time DVD of it if anyone knows of one?

If you should ever enter the Eurovision I will vote 4U.  Cheers
can someone try and get the game here and see if it works, I seen the game live but it wont let me watch it, its a good idea to put the link in.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html)

go to the reply tab and the Down game is at the bottom
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 22, 2008, 01:44:38 PM
only works if you down load real player, and you will have the ability to record it into your Real Player library, so knock yourself out In the Onion Bag
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 22, 2008, 07:30:34 PM
Fixtures Monday 30th 7 30
ACPRL Div 1

An Riocht v Downpatrick
Liatroim v Kilcoo
Bryansford v Clonduff
Burren v Mayobridge
Castlewellan v Rostrevor
ACPRL Div 2
Bredagh v Annaclone
Ballymartin v Tullylish
Kilclief v Loughinisland
Carryduff v Warrenpoint
Longstone v Saval

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 22, 2008, 08:35:50 PM
I totall agree, we must attack,attack,attack. No point in dragging our half forwards back into defence, leaving to big a gap between them and FF line. This results in having to play ball out of defence and too often in these situations we get turned over. We must not let Armaghs strenghts  dictate our play, its essential we play to our own strengths. Armaghs at this stage are essentially a busted flush, we are faster fitter and have the ability to out-score them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 22, 2008, 10:19:19 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 22, 2008, 07:30:34 PM
Fixtures Monday 30th 7 30
ACPRL Div 1

An Riocht v Downpatrick
Liatroim v Kilcoo
Bryansford v Clonduff
Burren v Mayobridge
Castlewellan v Rostrevor
ACPRL Div 2
Bredagh v Annaclone
Ballymartin v Tullylish
Kilclief v Loughinisland
Carryduff v Warrenpoint
Longstone v Saval



saval and longstone fans will really like you!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 22, 2008, 10:35:42 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on June 22, 2008, 10:19:19 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 22, 2008, 07:30:34 PM
Fixtures Monday 30th 7 30
ACPRL Div 1

An Riocht v Downpatrick
Liatroim v Kilcoo
Bryansford v Clonduff
Burren v Mayobridge
Castlewellan v Rostrevor
ACPRL Div 2
Bredagh v Annaclone
Ballymartin v Tullylish
Kilclief v Loughinisland
Carryduff v Warrenpoint
Longstone v Saval



saval and longstone fans will really like you!!

and what have I done?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on June 23, 2008, 10:12:19 AM
the above fixtures are for reserve games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on June 23, 2008, 10:24:11 AM
Anyone see the satory in today's Iirhs News?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 23, 2008, 10:27:47 AM
stiffbreeze, you are spot on - murtagh has worked his balls off in the last 2 games and picked up a fierce amount of break ball.

i hear that all county players apart from last week's starting 15 were allowed to play club football at the weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 23, 2008, 10:37:40 AM
A YOUNG Co Down Gaelic footballer's career is in jeopardy after thugs claiming to represent a rival club left him unable to walk.

Ryan Mallon (18), a full-back with the St Peter's club in Warrenpoint and last year's Down minor vice-captain, was targeted by two men at a disco in Banbridge's Belmont Hotel on Saturday night.

Mr Mallon, who completed his A-levels a fortnight ago, was singled out and asked if he was 'Rhino', who scored against Banbridge in a recent league game.

The teenager said one of the men then kicked him in the knee and after he fell to the ground the pair repeatedly stamped on his leg.

He said they told him he would play no part in a forthcoming championship clash between Banbridge and Warrenpoint.

Initial X-ray examination at Daisy Hill Hospital in Newry revealed no broken bones.

However, Mr Mallon and his family remain concerned that his knee ligaments may be permanently damaged.

The assault has left Mr Mallon's knee badly swollen and he is unable to walk without the aid of crutches.

It may be weeks before doctors can fully assess the damage to his leg.

Last night Mr Mallon said the unprovoked attack had left him shocked and in great pain.

"You don't expect this sort of thing when you're out socialising," he said.

"When I'm out there's the occasional bit of banter with players from other teams but I've never seen or heard of anything like this."

In September Mr Mallon is hoping to begin studying business and law at University College Dublin.

Over the summer he had planned to work at a GAA Cul camp, where young players hone their sporting skills.

"I was really looking forward to the summer but this has wrecked all my plans for the next month or so," he said.

"It looks like I'll just have to take it easy for a while and hope it heals as soon as possible."

Mr Mallon's father, barrister Kieran Mallon, said he was disgusted by the attack.

"The sinister aspect of this assault is the fact the knee alone was deliberately targeted and Ryan received no blows to any other part of the body," he said.

"This is a potentially career-threatening assault on a promising young footballer."

Mr Mallon urged representatives of Banbridge's Clann na Banna club to help identify his son's assailants.

"These people are a disgrace to their club and to GAA – let's hope we find them soon and allow the law deal with them," he said.

Police last night said they were investigating.

A Clann na Banna spokesman last night declined to comment.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 23, 2008, 10:52:54 AM
Lets hope Clann Na Banna get to the bottom of this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on June 23, 2008, 11:05:28 AM
There was 2 Clann na Banna players in the Belmont, and it would definately not be any of them 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on June 23, 2008, 11:23:59 AM
Bridge Gael, welcome to the world off every other team in Down.  I have sympathy for you missing up to 10 players, but you must realise that most DIv 1 teams anyway are facing the same scenario.
From our team that played last week, we were missing 6 players.  6 players gone in one week, and that doenst mention others already missing!!!!
Look at Longstone, missing a bucketload of players.
Burren, i think they are almost missing a whole team.

The difference in long term Div 1 teams and the yo yo teams is that the long term teams can replace the missing players and still pick up points.  That is why the Bridge and Kilcoo and Clonduff etc have always been top Div 1 teams, whereas Ballyholland and Saval seem to struggle.  With full teams out, they are a match for anyone yes, but when they miss 5/6/7 players, the yo yo teams cannot replace them, and rarely pick up points in these instances.

On another note, that story about young Mallon just sickens me.  Is it definitely true?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 23, 2008, 11:29:38 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on June 23, 2008, 10:37:40 AM
A YOUNG Co Down Gaelic footballer's career is in jeopardy after thugs claiming to represent a rival club left him unable to walk.

Ryan Mallon (18), a full-back with the St Peter's club in Warrenpoint and last year's Down minor vice-captain, was targeted by two men at a disco in Banbridge's Belmont Hotel on Saturday night.

Mr Mallon, who completed his A-levels a fortnight ago, was singled out and asked if he was 'Rhino', who scored against Banbridge in a recent league game.

The teenager said one of the men then kicked him in the knee and after he fell to the ground the pair repeatedly stamped on his leg.

He said they told him he would play no part in a forthcoming championship clash between Banbridge and Warrenpoint.

Initial X-ray examination at Daisy Hill Hospital in Newry revealed no broken bones.

However, Mr Mallon and his family remain concerned that his knee ligaments may be permanently damaged.

The assault has left Mr Mallon's knee badly swollen and he is unable to walk without the aid of crutches.

It may be weeks before doctors can fully assess the damage to his leg.

Last night Mr Mallon said the unprovoked attack had left him shocked and in great pain.

"You don't expect this sort of thing when you're out socialising," he said.

"When I'm out there's the occasional bit of banter with players from other teams but I've never seen or heard of anything like this."

In September Mr Mallon is hoping to begin studying business and law at University College Dublin.

Over the summer he had planned to work at a GAA Cul camp, where young players hone their sporting skills.

"I was really looking forward to the summer but this has wrecked all my plans for the next month or so," he said.

"It looks like I'll just have to take it easy for a while and hope it heals as soon as possible."

Mr Mallon's father, barrister Kieran Mallon, said he was disgusted by the attack.

"The sinister aspect of this assault is the fact the knee alone was deliberately targeted and Ryan received no blows to any other part of the body," he said.

"This is a potentially career-threatening assault on a promising young footballer."

Mr Mallon urged representatives of Banbridge's Clann na Banna club to help identify his son's assailants.

"These people are a disgrace to their club and to GAA – let's hope we find them soon and allow the law deal with them," he said.

Police last night said they were investigating.

A Clann na Banna spokesman last night declined to comment.



I heard Kieran Mallon interviewed on Fat Boy Nolan this morning........disgusting. (Not Mallon ...the attack!!)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: open her out on June 23, 2008, 11:38:03 AM
I was at a challenge game in Rostrevor Saturday morning involving Armagh and Down u17 development squads an was wondering who the referee was? It was  the best display of refereeing i seen in a long long time. If only we could get 1 or 2 like him in Armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on June 23, 2008, 11:39:57 AM
Well its been said that it was paople connected with Clann na Banna, and there have been names mentioned of who done it, but it was most definately NOT people connected to Clann na Banna.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on June 23, 2008, 12:12:08 PM
Aye, but regardless of wether they are associated with clann na banna or not, if the club know who did it then they should speak up. after all, they are hiding behind the clubs name.  the best thing to do would be to name them to prove there are no ties with the club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on June 23, 2008, 12:14:30 PM
A disgrace.


Named and shamed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on June 23, 2008, 12:39:15 PM
The club has been phoning around the players trying to find out who it was what happened etc and nobody knows. As I said before it was not any1 to do with the club whatsoever. If the club or players did know who done it there would be no hesitation providing their names as the last thing any club needs is its name being dragged threw the mud when they have done nothing to deserve it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on June 23, 2008, 12:44:35 PM
Dannymac, did you see everyone who was in the Belmont on Saturday. Not doubting you, but how can you be so sure?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on June 23, 2008, 12:50:21 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on June 23, 2008, 10:27:47 AM
stiffbreeze, you are spot on - murtagh has worked his balls off in the last 2 games and picked up a fierce amount of break ball.

i hear that all county players apart from last week's starting 15 were allowed to play club football at the weekend

Agree that Murtagh has worked his balls off but I feel that if Down are to beat Armagh we need to see a bit more class from Murtagh, while his work rate has been excellent, his vision and shot selection have been quite poor. I expect him to improve greatly and Hope he cuts loose, a big game from Murtagh is key to victory.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 23, 2008, 01:05:47 PM
regarding Ryan Mallon apparently words to the effect of " you wont be scoring 1-02 against us the next time we meet" were uttered while repeatedly stamping on his knee while he lay on the floor.

championship should be fun, will the Point take revenge on the field of play, surely this will spur them on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on June 23, 2008, 01:08:26 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 23, 2008, 12:44:35 PM
Dannymac, did you see everyone who was in the Belmont on Saturday. Not doubting you, but how can you be so sure?

Before it came out what happened a mate of mine who works in the bar said there was only 2 of our players who were there (2 of the young lads on te squad who would probably know the lad), he was lookin out to see was any of our players about since we have a game tonight and they shouldn't really have been drinkin. The names of the people who have been banded about as being involved probably have not been in the Belmont in a long many a year as the Belmont is a younger crowd.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on June 23, 2008, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 23, 2008, 01:05:47 PM
regarding Ryan Mallon apparently words to the effect of " you wont be scoring 1-02 against us the next time we meet" were uttered while repeatedly stamping on his knee while he lay on the floor.

championship should be fun, will the Point take revenge on the field of play, surely this will spur them on.
>:(

Can't see it being a factor as it will be clear by the time the championship comes around that it was none Clann na Banna lads of done this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 23, 2008, 01:15:01 PM
Can't see it being a factor as it will be clear by the time the championship comes around that it was none Clann na Banna lads of done this.

i wouldnt count on it danny, even if it was "cleared" as you put it i dont think the Warrenpoint players will see it like that, and taking into the consideration the high profile that this has now got in the press etc this one could run for a while yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on June 23, 2008, 01:24:40 PM
Perhaps your right, but i wouldn't believe everything i read or hear regarding it!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on June 23, 2008, 03:44:51 PM
Any word on any Down men heading of to America for the summer?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 23, 2008, 03:59:40 PM
Have to say from what im hearing i'd have to agree with DannyMc about not believing everything you read in the papers and would ask people to keep an open mind about the fella's claims. Possibly he didnt tell "Daddy" the full version of events, but a version that would best suite!? Its a serious claim against Clann na Banna and Im sure we'll hear in the next few days if his claims can be proved or dismissed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on June 23, 2008, 04:01:03 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on June 23, 2008, 03:44:51 PM
Any word on any Down men heading of to America for the summer?

hopefully theyll be in croker come august!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on June 23, 2008, 04:07:53 PM
Is Coles ban not out in time for Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fred the red on June 23, 2008, 04:50:31 PM
he got 4wks i believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 23, 2008, 05:30:35 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 22, 2008, 10:35:42 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on June 22, 2008, 10:19:19 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 22, 2008, 07:30:34 PM
Fixtures Monday 30th 7 30
ACPRL Div 1

An Riocht v Downpatrick
Liatroim v Kilcoo
Bryansford v Clonduff
Burren v Mayobridge
Castlewellan v Rostrevor
ACPRL Div 2
Bredagh v Annaclone
Ballymartin v Tullylish
Kilclief v Loughinisland
Carryduff v Warrenpoint
Longstone v Saval



saval and longstone fans will really like you!!

and what have I done?

my mistake sb , must learn to read properly 1 of these days
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on June 23, 2008, 05:32:48 PM
Is it not four weeeks from the incident?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 23, 2008, 05:54:18 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 23, 2008, 05:32:48 PM
Is it not four weeeks from the incident?
four weeks from the appeal ( I think)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on June 23, 2008, 06:08:52 PM
Oh right, thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on June 23, 2008, 06:14:22 PM
The incident will have taken place three weeks ago this sunday lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on June 23, 2008, 06:15:44 PM
Correct, my maths is way out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JellyLegs15 on June 23, 2008, 11:31:35 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on June 23, 2008, 06:14:22 PM
The incident will have taken place three weeks ago this sunday lads

Well worked out Minus, you fairly know your stuff...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 24, 2008, 08:38:35 AM
Anyone know the story on Ambrose - reported this morning he is a major doubt for Sunday - this will be a real blow if true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 24, 2008, 08:58:14 AM
The report said that Ambrose has injured his ankle ligaments, which does not sound good. He was absolutely crucial for us in both games against Tyrone, and has really come of age this summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 24, 2008, 09:03:47 AM
Peter Turley Saval broke his leg in Friday night, I heard the Ambrose story as well I hope both stories are just rumours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on June 24, 2008, 10:19:09 AM
Can anyone confirm throw in time for Sunday, is it 2pm or 4pm?  Also hearing the stories on Ambrose.

Has anyone any ideas if Ross will use any special tactics to curb the threat of Clarke/McDonnell?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 24, 2008, 10:32:36 AM
The Down game against Armagh on Sunday is at 4pm.

The Ulster Final on Sunday 20th July is at 2pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on June 24, 2008, 10:40:25 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 23, 2008, 01:15:01 PM
Can't see it being a factor as it will be clear by the time the championship comes around that it was none Clann na Banna lads of done this.

i wouldnt count on it danny, even if it was "cleared" as you put it i dont think the Warrenpoint players will see it like that, and taking into the consideration the high profile that this has now got in the press etc this one could run for a while yet

Well definately know it won't be a factor now, as point lads have said he doesn't know what he is on about and that they know its not true (as does the hole of down now). Think it only fair that the irish news, nolan show and citybeat(i heard it was mentioned on it too) put the record straight. seems it is a load of lies which spiralled out of control and gave another club and players a bad name, brought nothing but bad publicity to the game and made an embarrassment of himself. Ultimately all it done was provide us with that extra bit of motivation needed last night

C'mon the Clann
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 24, 2008, 11:07:13 AM
So Danny, what is the true story, honestly havent heard a thing except whats on here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 24, 2008, 12:50:35 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on June 20, 2008, 11:41:32 AM
Quote from: D4S on June 20, 2008, 10:22:08 AM
Tonights club betting

2/7 Longstone 7/1 Ballyholland 3/1
2/5 Mayobridge 7/1 Kilcoo 2/1
4/6 Clonduff 6/4 L'island 11/8
1/1 Castlewellan 6/1 Rostrevor 4/5
1/3 Burren 7/1 An Riocht 9/4
5/6 Atticall 6/1 Warrenpoint 5/6
4/7 Ballymartin 6/1 Banbridge 6/4

Ballymartin-Banbridge game is on Monday night, not sure why, i'm just a player why would the tell us anything??
Goin to the Point then to throw my house on Ballymartin!!!! :'(
Quote from: Dannymcfella on June 24, 2008, 10:40:25 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 23, 2008, 01:15:01 PM
Can't see it being a factor as it will be clear by the time the championship comes around that it was none Clann na Banna lads of done this.

i wouldnt count on it danny, even if it was "cleared" as you put it i dont think the Warrenpoint players will see it like that, and taking into the consideration the high profile that this has now got in the press etc this one could run for a while yet

Well definately know it won't be a factor now, as point lads have said he doesn't know what he is on about and that they know its not true (as does the hole of down now). Think it only fair that the irish news, nolan show and citybeat(i heard it was mentioned on it too) put the record straight. seems it is a load of lies which spiralled out of control and gave another club and players a bad name, brought nothing but bad publicity to the game and made an embarrassment of himself. Ultimately all it done was provide us with that extra bit of motivation needed last night

C'mon the Clann

Did the Clann beat Ballymartin? Does that mean your homeless?? ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on June 24, 2008, 01:02:08 PM
Beat them by 2 points, so i'm sleeping rough
Wasn't playin hopefully come through trainin alright on wednesday and get a game on friday at attical.

You seemed to fair rightly on saturday night ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 24, 2008, 01:08:13 PM
 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Very good well done BrickTamlin!  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 24, 2008, 01:09:07 PM
Aye you never know whose reading this thing so you got to keep her hush. :-X The disco shoes were on anyway  ;D D4S you giving Brick Tamlin credit for my work? >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 24, 2008, 01:27:41 PM
Sorry Mr Dundrumite, read that too quickly when laughin....I remembered your man sayin that on friday and I made a comment that maybe he shouldnt throw his house on ballymartin as it would cause mass devastation with the loss of many lives....then when he said he was homeless I laughed harder again :D  Anybody else gettin very excited about clones on sunday yet?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on June 24, 2008, 01:28:24 PM
Your secrets are safe with me ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 24, 2008, 01:39:18 PM
Latest Down ACFL Division 2 Table

                        Played     Points

Bryansford            10           20
Banbridge             10           14
Warrenpoint         10           13
Atticall                 10            13
------------------------------------------------
Ballymartin            10            13
Annaclone             10           10
Shamrocks            10            10
Downpatrick          10            8
-----------------------------------------------
Darragh Cross         10            8
Kilclief                    10           5
Tullylish                  10           4
Dundrum                10           2


Next Round of Fixtures

Warrenpoint v Darragh Cross
Clann na Banna v Atticall
Shamrocks v Ballymartin
Bryansford v Kliclief
Annaclone v Dundrum
Tullylish v Downpatrick

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on June 24, 2008, 08:12:58 PM
Are the ford really that much better than the other teams in this league as the table suggests? Could they be concidered as possible championship contenders?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on June 24, 2008, 08:38:12 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on June 24, 2008, 08:12:58 PM
Are the ford really that much better than the other teams in this league as the table suggests? Could they be concidered as possible championship contenders?

They are alot better, we run them closer than any1 else as far as i know and i got the impression the could have stepped it up another gear if they had of wanted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 24, 2008, 10:14:10 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballela 2.10 Kilclief 1.12

The match was a real four pointer leaving us on 6points while Kilclief are still pointless. Good to get a win after a few heavy demoralising defeats in the last few weeks. From the away match between us we were missing Dan Mc Cusker, Mal Magee and Danny Doran with Kilclief missing Ciaran Sloan and Niall Conway, vital players for both terms but it was a good tough match which could have ended a draw had Fintan Conway converted a last minute free. We lead 2.8 to 0.5 at half time albeit with the aid of a strong wind blowing down the pitch. Kilclief were very lucky to finish with 15, our full back and their full forward had their usual battle which as always contained striking, punching, blood, cards and a few stitches tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 24, 2008, 10:23:17 PM
Other results from Div 1 hurling -

Portaferry beat Ballycran
Ballygalet beat Shamrocks
Liatroim beat Bredagh

2 horse race at the top between Liatroim and Portaferry. Bredagh/Kilclief/Ballela trying to avoid relegation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 25, 2008, 12:19:25 AM
QuoteBredagh/Kilclief/Ballela trying to avoid relegation

Wats the craic with relegation, bottom team goes down or bottom 2 playoff? No chance 3 rounds of fixtures will be played as stated in the County handbook, probably do well to get 2 rounds completed.

Think Ballycran beat "The Mighty Reds of Ballyvarley" :P by 7 in Ballyvarley.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 25, 2008, 01:18:27 AM
The bottom team is supposed to go down but they make it up as they go along so anything could happen. The 3rd Rd of fixtures are a joke. Imagine trying to play hurling on a Tueday evening in September?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 25, 2008, 09:12:56 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 24, 2008, 10:23:17 PM
Other results from Div 1 hurling -

Portaferry beat Ballycran
Ballygalet beat Shamrocks
Liatroim beat Bredagh

2 horse race at the top between Liatroim and Portaferry. Bredagh/Kilclief/Ballela trying to avoid relegation.


Shamrocks couldn't get the better of our lads even with a spare man for 50 minutes of the game, think there was roughly 7 points in it at the end. i'm sure they struggle to get a team over for an evening game as much as we struggle to get 15 over to Newry.

As for relegation/promotion, i think it's really up to the club themselves if they want to go down if they don't think they're competitive and want to go to Div 2. Likewise the winners from Div2 can decide whether to stay there or go up, well it has been in the past.

The Ports are running away with that league but they're playing a good few seniors who'll be expected to line out for their senior championship team later in the year, Ger Adair, Zelda, etc, so I don't know what they hope to gain out of it as no one in the Ards gives f**k for that league other than a bit of bragging rights.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 25, 2008, 11:54:18 AM
Where is a good spot to go for a good feed on route (close) to Clones?  Is there anywhere else in Clones that does pub grub apart from the place beside the Paragon, it wasn't that good that last time I ate there. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on June 25, 2008, 12:16:32 PM
Quote from: amallon on June 25, 2008, 11:54:18 AM
Where is a good spot to go for a good feed on route (close) to Clones?  Is there anywhere else in Clones that does pub grub apart from the place beside the Paragon, it wasn't that good that last time I ate there. 

A good feed would kill you mallon ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 25, 2008, 12:50:24 PM
Theres a very easy comeback there but I'll leave it Fíor!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fred the red on June 25, 2008, 01:26:03 PM
the four seasons in Monaghan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on June 25, 2008, 01:34:17 PM
Cant wait for Clones, a great buss around that town
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 25, 2008, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: southdown on June 25, 2008, 01:34:17 PM
Cant wait for Clones, a great buss around that town

(http://www.transportcafe.co.uk/image16/bus_bristol_green_crosville.jpg)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on June 25, 2008, 05:46:50 PM
Quote from: amallon on June 25, 2008, 11:54:18 AM
Where is a good spot to go for a good feed on route (close) to Clones?  Is there anywhere else in Clones that does pub grub apart from the place beside the Paragon, it wasn't that good that last time I ate there. 

The Lennard Arms Hotel to the left of The Diamond in Clones always does a Sunday lunch in the bar, and caters for a large crowd on match days. 
I have had it many a time  ;)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ExiledGael on June 25, 2008, 05:49:49 PM
Quote from: amallon on June 25, 2008, 11:54:18 AM
Where is a good spot to go for a good feed on route (close) to Clones?  Is there anywhere else in Clones that does pub grub apart from the place beside the Paragon, it wasn't that good that last time I ate there. 

Squealing Pig in Monaghan does the best feed in the county if you ask me. Probably cost you 15 odd euro but it's excellent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 25, 2008, 09:44:19 PM
July Fixture Changes

A Chara,
Apologies for my mistake in the handbook of starting July Fortnight a week too early.  July Fixtures will now be as follows:

Thurs 3rd      ACFL Series 12 & Div 3 series16 
Sun 6th        ACPRL Series 13
Tues 8th       ACHL
Thurs 10th    ACFL Series 13 & Div 3 series 17
Sun 27th      ACFL  Series 15  & Div 3 series 19
Series 14ACFL & Div series 18 in the book for July 25th will now be fitted in at end of league.

is mise
Sean O Ruanaidh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on June 26, 2008, 12:00:16 AM
Was just looking at Down Armagh thread and noticed western exile says there is good odds for Dan Gordon scoring first goal on sunday. Obviously there are other players more likely to score first goal, but he regularly scores goals and at 33-1 those odds are beyond tempting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on June 26, 2008, 02:18:04 AM
FYI

http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=show_event_by_markets&chosen_ev_id=1142151&category=SPORTS&ev_class_id=&disp_cat_id=1 (http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=show_event_by_markets&chosen_ev_id=1142151&category=SPORTS&ev_class_id=&disp_cat_id=1)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 26, 2008, 08:53:49 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on June 25, 2008, 09:44:19 PM
July Fixture Changes

A Chara,
Apologies for my mistake in the handbook of starting July Fortnight a week too early.  July Fixtures will now be as follows:

Thurs 3rd      ACFL Series 12 & Div 3 series16 
Sun 6th        ACPRL Series 13
Tues 8th       ACHL
Thurs 10th    ACFL Series 13 & Div 3 series 17
Sun 27th      ACFL  Series 15  & Div 3 series 19
Series 14ACFL & Div series 18 in the book for July 25th will now be fitted in at end of league.

is mise
Sean O Ruanaidh

How many mistakes can a man make in one year?
The clubs still dont know any dates for SFC First Round, is it any wonder players are hard to hold onto....The county make a Ulster Semi Final and the grassroots club fixture calender is thrown into chaos.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 26, 2008, 09:00:16 AM
Spirit its a nightmare job doing up them fixtures, would you like to be sitting down to draw them up with all intricacies that are involved. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 26, 2008, 10:12:32 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on June 25, 2008, 09:44:19 PM
July Fixture Changes

A Chara,
Apologies for my mistake in the handbook of starting July Fortnight a week too early.  July Fixtures will now be as follows:

Thurs 3rd      ACFL Series 12 & Div 3 series16 
Sun 6th        ACPRL Series 13
Tues 8th       ACHL
Thurs 10th    ACFL Series 13 & Div 3 series 17
Sun 27th      ACFL  Series 15  & Div 3 series 19
Series 14ACFL & Div series 18 in the book for July 25th will now be fitted in at end of league.

is mise
Sean O Ruanaidh

man, that is a joke, what is going to happen now if people who have holidays booked to go when there are no games on, just to suit the club, and now have to miss a game or 2!!
it may not have been so bad, if they had realised this mistake a couple of months ago, but 2 weeks before hand. shows a lot of incompetance if you ask me!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 26, 2008, 10:23:34 AM
Sorry lads. I have to agree with A Mallon here and defend the fxitures secretary. That job is a complete nightmare. Complicated as fcuk and then you get people looking for fixtures moved/called off/postponed.

Dont forget its the guy's 1st year in the job as well....cut him a bit of slack.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 26, 2008, 10:55:18 AM
I agree with 5sams and amallon also!

Was reading yesterday in Irish News the Fermanagh county players will not be involved with their clubs at all until after the ulster final.  All league fixtures have been scrapped and they have drawn up a new competition for their senior clubs...3groups of 6 teams drawn out against each other, with then qualifiers from each group playing off to win the competition.   Their league fixtures have been completely scrapped.

Surely when your county team has a chance of winning an Ulster title you have to accept their will also have to be changes to the down fixture list!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 26, 2008, 10:57:16 AM
stpauls - I don't see how the fixture changes could affect holidays. The mid-season break now starts a day earlier and finishes on the same time. If anything, this move is going to suit more people.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on June 26, 2008, 10:59:10 AM
Sean Rooney said that the earliest date available for club championship is the w/e of 15th August due to Down's win over Tyrone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 26, 2008, 11:00:03 AM
the fixture list that was in place was fine, it didn't need to be changed.
the 12th fortnight was always from the last friday before the twelth, why change it this year?

Quote from: thewobbler on June 26, 2008, 10:57:16 AM
stpauls - I don't see how the fixture changes could affect holidays. The mid-season break now starts a day earlier and finishes on the same time. If anything, this move is going to suit more people.

it actually starts a week later, the last game was meant to be on Thursday 3rd, not Thursday 10th.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on June 26, 2008, 11:00:36 AM
it is a nightmare of a job and he's a good lad but clubs cannot be forced to play without players who booked their holidays in good faith when the fixtures came out. It is not a hanging offence and i am sure common sense will prevail.
Lets get over Sunday before we start planning supplementary competitions like Fermanagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on June 26, 2008, 11:02:41 AM
No slack should be cut, i agree with St paul's at the start off the year we are given fixtures and we plan our lives around them,then two weeks before scheduled fixtures things get changed around.
Any fixtures called off should be played by the folowing monday as is the case set out by the county board.
I do not care if it is his first year in just F**ks up alot off peoples pre-arranged plans. Starred games shold be thought out and every eventuality thought about eg down into a semi final etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on June 26, 2008, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 26, 2008, 10:57:16 AM
stpauls - I don't see how the fixture changes could affect holidays. The mid-season break now starts a day earlier and finishes on the same time. If anything, this move is going to suit more people.

Well not sure about reserves but our last fixture before the break was on the 3rd July, now its the 10th?? That means we will be missing a hell of alot of players which we can't afford to be as we are already carrying a lengthy injury list and i'd be surprised if this change doesn't affect every club in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 26, 2008, 11:08:49 AM
Anyone got the score of the Laitroim Saval game played at the weekend?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on June 26, 2008, 11:19:33 AM
liatroim 1-11 saval 2-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on June 26, 2008, 12:26:12 PM
Any Down fixtures for Friday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 26, 2008, 12:56:46 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 26, 2008, 10:57:16 AM
stpauls - I don't see how the fixture changes could affect holidays. The mid-season break now starts a day earlier and finishes on the same time. If anything, this move is going to suit more people.

4th May to 11th May is 7 days....
The Championship dates need to be clarified to the clubs asap.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 26, 2008, 02:11:01 PM
Quote from: upthehoops on June 26, 2008, 11:00:36 AM
it is a nightmare of a job and he's a good lad but clubs cannot be forced to play without players who booked their holidays in good faith when the fixtures came out. It is not a hanging offence and i am sure common sense will prevail.
Lets get over Sunday before we start planning supplementary competitions like Fermanagh

Sometimes clubs need to think about the 20 odd players who won't get a game rather than the one or two off on holidays or on county panels even if the fixture is thrusted upon them without great notice
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 26, 2008, 02:39:10 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 26, 2008, 02:11:01 PM
Quote from: upthehoops on June 26, 2008, 11:00:36 AM
it is a nightmare of a job and he's a good lad but clubs cannot be forced to play without players who booked their holidays in good faith when the fixtures came out. It is not a hanging offence and i am sure common sense will prevail.
Lets get over Sunday before we start planning supplementary competitions like Fermanagh

Sometimes clubs need to think about the 20 odd players who won't get a game rather than the one or two off on holidays or on county panels even if the fixture is thrusted upon them without great notice

that is all very well for teams with strength in depth, which would not be one of our strong points!!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 26, 2008, 02:50:34 PM
Question for St Paul's and Off The Laces...

Are you guys involved in club, Divisional or County Admin????

....or are you part of the large body  of "GAA people" who sit on their arses and expect things like fixtures/referees/tickets to appear by magic??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 26, 2008, 03:10:42 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 26, 2008, 02:50:34 PM
Question for St Paul's and Off The Laces...

Are you guys involved in club, Divisional or County Admin????

....or are you part of the large body  of "GAA people" who sit on their arses and expect things like fixtures/referees/tickets to appear by magic??

just to answer your question, i have been a PRO on a previous club committee, but due to commitments this year i had to decline the assistant secretary role, but i do intend to fill the vacant seat next year. why do you ask?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 26, 2008, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: stpauls on June 26, 2008, 03:10:42 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 26, 2008, 02:50:34 PM
Question for St Paul's and Off The Laces...

Are you guys involved in club, Divisional or County Admin????

....or are you part of the large body  of "GAA people" who sit on their arses and expect things like fixtures/referees/tickets to appear by magic??

just to answer your question, i have been a PRO on a previous club committee, but due to commitments this year i had to decline the assistant secretary role, but i do intend to fill the vacant seat next year. why do you ask?

If you had any idea what these types of jobs entail (fixtures secretaries, club secretaries, etc, etc, etc) then you wouldnt be slagging them off on an internet discussion board......thats why I'm asking and I think you have answered my question.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 26, 2008, 03:33:59 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 26, 2008, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: stpauls on June 26, 2008, 03:10:42 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 26, 2008, 02:50:34 PM
Question for St Paul's and Off The Laces...

Are you guys involved in club, Divisional or County Admin????

....or are you part of the large body  of "GAA people" who sit on their arses and expect things like fixtures/referees/tickets to appear by magic??

just to answer your question, i have been a PRO on a previous club committee, but due to commitments this year i had to decline the assistant secretary role, but i do intend to fill the vacant seat next year. why do you ask?

If you had any idea what these types of jobs entail (fixtures secretaries, club secretaries, etc, etc, etc) then you wouldnt be slagging them off on an internet discussion board......thats why I'm asking and I think you have answered my question.

and what conclusion did you arrive at then? and on the point of asking questions, why was there the need to change the fixture dates (when they were perfectly fine) at such short notice?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 26, 2008, 04:38:49 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 26, 2008, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: stpauls on June 26, 2008, 03:10:42 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 26, 2008, 02:50:34 PM
Question for St Paul's and Off The Laces...

Are you guys involved in club, Divisional or County Admin????

....or are you part of the large body  of "GAA people" who sit on their arses and expect things like fixtures/referees/tickets to appear by magic??

just to answer your question, i have been a PRO on a previous club committee, but due to commitments this year i had to decline the assistant secretary role, but i do intend to fill the vacant seat next year. why do you ask?



If you had any idea what these types of jobs entail (fixtures secretaries, club secretaries, etc, etc, etc) then you wouldnt be slagging them off on an internet discussion board......thats why I'm asking and I think you have answered my question.

If fixtures is part of the Ass Sec job then the person wanting the post should ensure it is watertight and dates are adhered too.
Perhaps next week will see the dawning of a new era when our County will have a full time secretary employed, yes, 1st July sees the incarnation of Sean Og, any thoughts on this?
I have one question, what happens to Seamus Walsh? A man of very high integrity and respect in County Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 26, 2008, 09:59:49 PM
Any results from the football leagues? Bredagh beat Teconnaght by 2 and Carryduff beat Glassdrumman by 7. Any others?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 26, 2008, 10:21:45 PM
Tut tut Lecale.  You above anyone should know the correct spelling of Glasdrumman.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 26, 2008, 10:32:21 PM
wat games were played 2night??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on June 26, 2008, 10:34:13 PM
L2 - I heard Carryduff LOST by 8 :D?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on June 26, 2008, 11:18:27 PM
Tullylish bt Downpatrick in Downpatrick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 26, 2008, 11:22:46 PM
Correct score from Glasdrumman is

Glasdrumman 2.9 Carryduff 0.5 but was a closer game than the score suggests.  Glasdrumman only up by 2 at half time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on June 26, 2008, 11:29:42 PM
Latest Down ACFL Division 2 Table

                        Played     Points

Bryansford            10            20
Banbridge             10            14
Warrenpoint         10            13
Atticall                 10            13
------------------------------------------------
Ballymartin            10            13
Annaclone            10            10
Shamrocks            10            10
Darragh Cross        10            8
-----------------------------------------------
Downpatrick          11           8
Tullylish                 11           6
Kilclief                   10           5
Dundrum               10           2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 26, 2008, 11:33:00 PM
Bitta Banter,

That Div 2 table is looking v tight.  Thought Div 3 was bad.
Can't understand why a team with the resources of Downpatrick are so low.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 26, 2008, 11:41:10 PM
Sorry lads. My info isn't as good as it used to be.  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 27, 2008, 10:57:14 AM
2/5 Kilcoo 7/1 Clonduff 9/4

3/1 Saval 8/1 Mayobridge 2/9

2/5 Loughinisland 7/1 Liatroim 2/1

6/4 An Riocht 6/1 Castlewellan 4/7

2/1 Ballyholland 7/1 Burren 2/5

4/6 Rostrevor 6/1 Longstone 5/4

1/2 Warrenpoint 6/1 Darragh Cross 7/4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on June 27, 2008, 12:21:48 PM
Saval worth a punt at 3/1, bridge still missing a few because of hols!
Kearney wont be playing, will he? Maybe bridge safe enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on June 27, 2008, 12:22:32 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 26, 2008, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: stpauls on June 26, 2008, 03:10:42 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 26, 2008, 02:50:34 PM
Question for St Paul's and Off The Laces...

Are you guys involved in club, Divisional or County Admin????

....or are you part of the large body  of "GAA people" who sit on their arses and expect things like fixtures/referees/tickets to appear by magic??

just to answer your question, i have been a PRO on a previous club committee, but due to commitments this year i had to decline the assistant secretary role, but i do intend to fill the vacant seat next year. why do you ask?

If you had any idea what these types of jobs entail (fixtures secretaries, club secretaries, etc, etc, etc) then you wouldnt be slagging them off on an internet discussion board......thats why I'm asking and I think you have answered my question.
Sorry in meetings this morning. To answer your question i am not only a person with a young family and tough day job, i train 3-4 times a week play amatch on a friday then help with our reserve team on a sunday and am also a member off our club commitee, i need to make plans in advance to allow both myself and my family to get time away from the rat race, therefore when the fixtures come out at the start off the year we plan our summer around games. So 5 SAMS i hope that answers your question.
One thing i learned from work FAIL to PLAN PLAN to FAIL the fixtures guy's would do well to remember this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 27, 2008, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: D4S on June 27, 2008, 10:57:14 AM
2/5 Kilcoo 7/1 Clonduff 9/4

3/1 Saval 8/1 Mayobridge 2/9

2/5 Loughinisland 7/1 Liatroim 2/1

6/4 An Riocht 6/1 Castlewellan 4/7

2/1 Ballyholland 7/1 Burren 2/5

4/6 Rostrevor 6/1 Longstone 5/4

1/2 Warrenpoint 6/1 Darragh Cross 7/4

longstone have gotta be the bet of the night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 27, 2008, 03:19:39 PM
Rostrevor beat castlewellan last week this will be a tight one! Dont rule out a draw in that game on a very wet pitch!

Ive done my bet...
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Loughinisland
Castlewellan
Warrenpoint
Longstone v Rostrevor DRAW

Pays £197 for a fiver ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on June 27, 2008, 04:44:34 PM
boys anyone looking tickets for match sunday drop me a line here or boscomaurice@aol.com

cheers

mo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on June 27, 2008, 06:55:11 PM
Same here lads, got two spares. Family let me down.( NEVER AGAIN!)
P.S I'l give a little discount!

Send me a message! Cheers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rois on June 27, 2008, 08:24:33 PM
First round of ladies' senior championship tonight - Clonduff beat Burren convincingly.

Bredagh beat Annaclone  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on June 27, 2008, 08:34:25 PM
Mo, what part of the ground are they for? I have a couple but I would take a 2 if they were for the Gerry Arthurs, getting too old to get soaked standing behind the goals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 27, 2008, 09:50:00 PM
Bryansford beat kilclief by 8 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 27, 2008, 09:57:17 PM
Saval 0-8 Bridge 2-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 27, 2008, 10:05:13 PM
Down ACFL Division 2

Annaclone 1-10  Dundrum 0-06

Both teams were underpar from the off. Clone led 1-06 to 0-03 at the break. Very scrappy stuff.
We lorded the 2nd half but ultimately our shooting let us down.
Roll on the second part of the season!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 27, 2008, 10:20:40 PM
Castlewellan beat An Riocht bt 9pts
Kilco beat Clonduff 0.09 - 0.03
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on June 27, 2008, 10:25:59 PM
St Michaels 0-9 St Pauls 2-07...Terrible game, but we are happy to come away from Magheralin with the points, it's a tough place to play football!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on June 27, 2008, 10:33:26 PM
Was at the ford game tonight pretty poor match Kilcleif never scored in second half to be fair to the ford they had a quite a few injuries with 8 or 9 boys out, kilclief tried hard but to very little avail.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 27, 2008, 10:43:40 PM
ACFL Div 1
Kilcoo 0 09 Clonduff 0 03
Saval 0 08 Mayobridge 2 10
Loughinisland  1 11 Liatroim 1 11
An Riocht 1 06   Castlewellan 2 12
Ballyholland 1 07  Burren 2 08
Rostrevor 3 10  Longstone 1 12
ACFL Div 2
Warrenpoint 2 09  Darragh Cross 2 09
Clann na Banna 0 13  Attical 1 07
Shamrocks 1 07   Ballymartin 0 09
Bryansford 2 09  Kilclief 1 03
Annaclone 1 10  Dundrum 0 06
Downpatrick 1 10 Tullylish 1 11
ACFL Div 3
Glasdrumman 2 09  Carryduff  0 05
Ardglass 1 11  Bosco 1 06
Glenn 3 08  Saul 0 07
Bredagh  0 11  Tecconaught 1 06
St Micheals 0 09   St Pauls 2 07
Mitchels 1 09  Drumaness 1 12
ACFL Div 4
Aghaderg  St Johns(OFF)
Dromara 1 09  Bright 1 06
Ballykinlar 1 07 Aughlisnafinn 1 07


Is this the Finns first point of the season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 27, 2008, 10:51:51 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 27, 2008, 10:25:59 PM
St Michaels 0-9 St Pauls 2-07...Terrible game, but we are happy to come away from Magheralin with the points, it's a tough place to play football!!
Yous boys must be one of the most improved teams of the season. Never came out of St Micheals within 5 points of them, very difficult place to pick up points.
Yep its the Finns first points of the season, their third overall, big result for them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on June 27, 2008, 10:54:46 PM
Latest Down ACFL Division 2 Table

                        Played     Points

Bryansford            11         22
Banbridge             11          16
Warrenpoint         11           14
Atticall                 11           13
------------------------------------------------
Ballymartin            11           13
Annaclone            11           12
Shamrocks            11           12
Darragh Cross        11            9
-----------------------------------------------
Downpatrick          11           8
Tullylish                 11           6
Kilclief                   11           5
Dundrum               11           2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on June 27, 2008, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 27, 2008, 10:51:51 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 27, 2008, 10:25:59 PM
St Michaels 0-9 St Pauls 2-07...Terrible game, but we are happy to come away from Magheralin with the points, it's a tough place to play football!!
Yous boys must be one of the most improved teams of the season. Never came out of St Micheals within 5 points of them, very difficult place to pick up points.
Yep its the Finns first points of the season, their third overall, big result for them

Thanks man...We have been working hard.  Nothing won yet, but it's nice to be looking up to see who we can catch instead of looking down to see who we need to get away from!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on June 27, 2008, 11:32:48 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 27, 2008, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 27, 2008, 10:51:51 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 27, 2008, 10:25:59 PM
St Michaels 0-9 St Pauls 2-07...Terrible game, but we are happy to come away from Magheralin with the points, it's a tough place to play football!!
Yous boys must be one of the most improved teams of the season. Never came out of St Micheals within 5 points of them, very difficult place to pick up points.
Yep its the Finns first points of the season, their third overall, big result for them

Thanks man...We have been working hard.  Nothing won yet, but it's nice to be looking up to see who we can catch instead of looking down to see who we need to get away from!!

you reckon frank wilson has a big part to play in your improvement? good as yous are getting your not at bredagh standard yet ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 28, 2008, 02:45:49 AM
Sat 28th June
Div one table

P   W   D   L   Pts   SD   Teams
11   10   0    1   20    77   Mayobridge
11   8   1    2   17    55   Kilcoo
11   7   1    3   15     5   Rostrevor
11   7   0    4   14     8   Longstone
11   6   1    4   13    -2   Loughinisland
11   6   0    5   12    -3   Burren
11   6   0    5   12   -11   Clonduff
11   5   1    5   11    21   Castlewellan
11   3   2    6    8   -17   Saval
11   2   1    8    5   -24   Ballyholland
11   1   1    9    3   -43   Liatriom
11   1   0   10    2   -66   An Riocht


Last year Div one table after first round games

P   W   D    L    Pts   SD   Teams
11   8   1    2   17    65   Mayobridge
11   6   2    3   14    36   Kilcoo
11   7   0    4   14     6   Rostrevor
11   6   2    3   14     6   Clonduff
11   5   3    3   13   -15   An Riocht
11   4   3    4   11    -6   Bryansford
11   4   2    5   10    -1   Loughinisland
11   4   2    5   10    -4   Longstone
11   5   0    6   10    -9   Castlewellan
11   3   3    5    9   -10   Liatriom
11   4   0    7    8    -8   Burren
11   1   0   10    2   -60   Attical

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 28, 2008, 08:19:02 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on June 27, 2008, 11:32:48 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 27, 2008, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 27, 2008, 10:51:51 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 27, 2008, 10:25:59 PM
St Michaels 0-9 St Pauls 2-07...Terrible game, but we are happy to come away from Magheralin with the points, it's a tough place to play football!!
Yous boys must be one of the most improved teams of the season. Never came out of St Micheals within 5 points of them, very difficult place to pick up points.
Yep its the Finns first points of the season, their third overall, big result for them

Thanks man...We have been working hard.  Nothing won yet, but it's nice to be looking up to see who we can catch instead of looking down to see who we need to get away from!!

you reckon frank wilson has a big part to play in your improvement? good as yous are getting your not at bredagh standard yet ;)

without a doubt, sure we are playing with the same team as last year. as a team we are a lot better prepared, and this can certainly be put down to frankie's influence!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on June 28, 2008, 09:33:28 AM
Quote from: Down Gael on June 27, 2008, 08:34:25 PM
Mo, what part of the ground are they for? I have a couple but I would take a 2 if they were for the Gerry Arthurs, getting too old to get soaked standing behind the goals.

only the dirty hill , have been let down by people as usual and pissed off about it, have 2 childrens tickets also

mo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on June 28, 2008, 10:03:21 AM
Mo, take them with you tomorrow, there are always people looking for tickets on the day. We went to Omagh only to realise that we had left our tickets on the kitchen table. There were no tickets for sale on the day and we had a bit of bother getting some.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on June 28, 2008, 10:40:04 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on June 27, 2008, 11:32:48 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 27, 2008, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 27, 2008, 10:51:51 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 27, 2008, 10:25:59 PM
St Michaels 0-9 St Pauls 2-07...Terrible game, but we are happy to come away from Magheralin with the points, it's a tough place to play football!!
Yous boys must be one of the most improved teams of the season. Never came out of St Micheals within 5 points of them, very difficult place to pick up points.
Yep its the Finns first points of the season, their third overall, big result for them


Thanks man...We have been working hard.  Nothing won yet, but it's nice to be looking up to see who we can catch instead of looking down to see who we need to get away from!!

you reckon frank wilson has a big part to play in your improvement? good as yous are getting your not at bredagh standard yet ;)

For sure, Frankie has brought professionalism to the club...And a zero tolerence for anything less than perfection!!!

He is the main reason why we are showing great improvement on last season, and is 200% better than last seasons coach!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on June 28, 2008, 10:47:44 AM
  ACFL DIV 3

                                   PL     Points
  Ard Ghlais                    14    23 
  An Ghlasdromainn         14    21 
  Breadach                     14   20 
  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh  13    17 
  Droim Gath                  13   16 
  Droim an Easa              14   15 
  Naomh Pól                   14   13 
  Naomh Michil                14   12 
  Gleann                         14   11 
  Sabhall Padraig              14   10 
  Tí Chonnachta              14    9 
  Naomh Eoin Bosco         14    7 
  Misteiligh an Iuir            14  6 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 28, 2008, 04:08:14 PM
Mo whats up with Bosco this year, yous got lots of injuries or what??? Was expecting you boys to be at the other end of the table.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on June 28, 2008, 08:27:19 PM
well lads im still stateside but would much rather be in clones on sunday. hope to watch the game in tir na nog bar in philadelphia. all the best to the lads.

i see the clann have been going great since i headed away, maybe should stay away a while longer.

someone post a match report for me in case the pub doesnt show it.

cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 29, 2008, 08:06:03 PM
Next lot of fixtures

Fixtures Monday 30th 7 30
ACPRL Div 1
An Riocht v Downpatrick
Liatroim v Kilcoo
Bryansford v Clonduff
Burren v Mayobridge
Castlewellan v Rostrevor
ACPRL Div 2
Bredagh v Annaclone
Ballymartin v Tullylish
Kilclief v Loughinisland
Carryduff v Warrenpoint
Longstone v Saval
Tuesday 1st July (7 30)
ACHL Div 1
Ballycran v Bredagh
Ballygalget v Kilclief
Liatroim v Portaferry
Ballela v Shamrocks
ACHL Div 2
Portaferry v Clonduff
Castlewellan v Ballygalget
Warrenpoint v Ballyvarley
ACFL Div 3
Glenn v St Pauls
Thursday 3rd July (7 30)
ACFL Div 1
Ballyholland v Saval
Castlewellan v Clonduff
Longstone v Liatroim
Rostrevor v Loughinisland
Burren v Mayobridge
An Riocht v Kilcoo
ACFL Div 2
Annaclone v Clann na Banna
Kilclief v Darragh Cross
Downpatrick v Ballymartin
Tullylish v Shamrocks
Dundrum v Attical
Bryansford v Warrenpoint
ACFL Div 3
Carryduff v Bosco
Glasdrumman v Saul
Ardglass v Teconnaught
Bredagh v Drumaness
St Micheals v Drumgath
ACFL Div 4
St Johns v Bright
Aughlisnafinn v Aghaderg
Friday 4th
ACFL Div 4
Dromara v Ballykinlar
Sunday 6th July
ACPRL Div 1 (2 00)Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Clonduff v Liatroim
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Burren v Downpatrick
Mayobridge v An Riocht
ACPRL Div 2
Saval v Kilclief
Loughinisland v Ballymartin
Tullylish v Longstone
Carryduff v Annaclone
Warrenpoint v Bredagh

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on June 30, 2008, 10:37:52 AM
Can someone tell me who the No 30 for Down was at yesterday's match? He was really tanned. Dont have a clue who he is or who he plays for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on June 30, 2008, 10:56:07 AM
Quote from: The Corporal on June 30, 2008, 10:37:52 AM
Can someone tell me who the No 30 for Down was at yesterday's match? He was really tanned. Dont have a clue who he is or who he plays for.
Why did you like the look off him corporal is it tanned boys you go for ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on June 30, 2008, 12:10:49 PM
There were only 29 named in the programme. Would it have been Hugh Davey? I didnt see a number 30 yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on June 30, 2008, 01:20:56 PM
Aye thought it was Hugh Davey but had to look twice as it looked like Aaron Davey that plays AFL. How the hell can he get into the county set-up when he hasnt even been in the country? There are players playing well week in week out in Div 1 and yet the managers bring him onto the panel. Must be DJ's decision.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kumquat on June 30, 2008, 01:48:18 PM
I thought it was mc kernan wearing No. 30. He came back on after getting a bloody mouth and had to change his shirt coz the original one was covered in blood. I could be wrong though  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on June 30, 2008, 01:56:53 PM
McKernan came back on wearing No.31
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on June 30, 2008, 02:22:53 PM
That league table comparing this year and last year is an interesting one.

A lot of teams are very similar in terms of points and position.  Probably only An Riocht (13 points 2007  2 points 2008) and Liatrom (9 points 2007  3 points 2008) show a real change in fortune.   It illustrates how Mayobridge are ahead of the rest, despite people wishing otherwise, even without county men they maintain their ability to win games.
It also shows the effect of other teams missing county players.  Longstone, Burren and Loughinsland, all climbed the table last year after getting their county men back, and will prob do the same this year, while Kilcoo take advantage of having no county men (no disrespect meant) to keep on the Bridge's heels.  I think it shows the value of playoffs in Division 1 at least as teams do fare differently without their county men.

On the match yesterday, it was dissapointing to lose, but in fairness we never looked like doing anything else.  We kept goint, kept working hard, kept battling, but never looked like winning.  Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say we were beaten by the better team, and i think we were.  However, it has been a while since we could truly compete with Armagh in championship football.  We did yesterday so the tide is changing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 30, 2008, 03:01:33 PM
Obviously changes are required in the forward line and we need scoring forwards, Ronan Sexton has ran his course it isnt working for him although he is a honest player, Ronan Murtagh isnt going to get the necessary scores to turn a game and Danny Hughes needs to rediscover his McKenna Cup form. John Clarke isnt a corner forward.
Benny and Ambrose need to be built around, would Clarke be a better man on the square and use him like his name sake from Armagh?
Two forwards who need brought in straight away are Michael Walsh and Conor Maginn both will get scores and will win the ball.
Number 30 against Tyrone was Conor Gribben.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: back off the net on June 30, 2008, 10:41:28 PM
just not good enough to  beat armagh men against boys
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 30, 2008, 11:08:05 PM
Lads,
Don't get too despondent, I'm not.

This squad has shown good development this season and has the opportunity to develop still more.  But to do so they must take the qualifiers seriously and strive to get 2 or 3 games.  Dominant and all as Arma were yesterday they only won by 4 so a lucky Down goal could have changed things. 

If we enter the qualifiers positively I see no reason why we would not develop more and to a point where, lessons learned, we would have no fear of Arma's spoiling defense next year.  We are a young talented team and management that has lessons yet to learn and weak positions to fill.  Nonetheless I say thank you to Ross and DJ for where they have brought us to this year and wish them a fair wind in the qualifiers and next year. 

We can forget AI dreams for now, we are just not yet at that race. More development is needed and the qualifiers offer that chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on July 01, 2008, 09:36:55 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballela 3.14 Shamrocks 3.14

Similar enough story to last week with a breeze blowing down the pitch playing a large bearing on the match. We played with the wind and lead 2.10 to 0.6 at half time but should have been out of sight only for some wasteful shooting. Second half Newry switched Eoin Mc Guinness to full forward and just played route one hurling. A penalty and two close range goals gave Newry the lead but with the last puck of the game a Danny Doran goal left things level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on July 01, 2008, 10:34:20 PM
st.pauls  0-11  Glenn 0-9,  another solid away win for the holywood boys. playoffs are not out of the question
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on July 01, 2008, 10:38:19 PM
Yep, happy enough with this performance.  These are the sort of ground out results that will make the difference at the end....

And another Shut-Out :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 01, 2008, 11:05:22 PM
Have to say, its great to see St Pauls climbing up the Division 3 ladder. Although there is a long way to go, I think they have done tremendous work as a club as a whole in an area where our games arent that prevalent. Well done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on July 01, 2008, 11:16:13 PM
Our next 3 games will tell a tale for us...Are we good enough to make the play-offs???

Home -v- Ardglass..The league leaders are not losing much, but we were disappointed to leave Ardglass losing by 1 point

Away -v- Glassdrumman..We were also disappointed to draw at home to them having lead the entire game until the last kick.

Home -v- Carryduff..We where terrible at Carryduff and were well beaten...We owe ourselves a big performance against them..

If we are to get to the play-offs i think we need at least 4 points from these games..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 01, 2008, 11:34:21 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on July 01, 2008, 09:36:55 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballela 3.14 Shamrocks 3.14

Similar enough story to last week with a breeze blowing down the pitch playing a large bearing on the match. We played with the wind and lead 2.10 to 0.6 at half time but should have been out of sight only for some wasteful shooting. Second half Newry switched Eoin Mc Guinness to full forward and just played route one hurling. A penalty and two close range goals gave Newry the lead but with the last puck of the game a Danny Doran goal left things level.

Liatroim beat Portaferry something like 1-19 to 2-7. Div 1 is in now between these 2. Ballycran beat Bredagh well. In Div 2 Warrenpoint beat Ballyvarley 1-19 to 1-11. I reckon the Point are unbeaten and top of the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on July 02, 2008, 07:58:21 AM
Liatroim and Portaferry are head and shoulders above everybody else this year. Fergus Cooper (ex Rossa) is taking the Fontenoys this year and has made a big impact. Better organisation all round. If this league doesn't go to a 3rd Rd, last night's result will have forced a play-off because I can't see anyone beating these 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 02, 2008, 10:59:32 AM
Quote from: Bacon on July 02, 2008, 07:58:21 AM
Liatroim and Portaferry are head and shoulders above everybody else this year. Fergus Cooper (ex Rossa) is taking the Fontenoys this year and has made a big impact. Better organisation all round. If this league doesn't go to a 3rd Rd, last night's result will have forced a play-off because I can't see anyone beating these 2.

Has it been decided yet whether there will be a round 3 or not?

Our lads are starting to improve of recent and beat Kilclief last night handy enough. Fair play to Kilclief for playing without Finty as he's a big loss for them as is Ricky Kerr. I'm not sure if finty would be better served playing with his club as opposed to training with the county last night as the only competitive hurling he's got recently is county fixtures. The rest of the county panel (barring Courtney as well) all had Antrim league games last sunday and again this sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on July 02, 2008, 11:24:36 AM
Does anyone think there is a chance that Ross would ask Michael Walsh back onto the panel ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on July 02, 2008, 12:25:08 PM
Personally i dont think so. Walsh injured at the moment anyway, had been playing well before that. Down could have done with him on sunday, he is the best man in the county at picking up and distributing break ball. But its prob too late to come into set up now.

Dont understand how and why Hugh Davey was taken onto panel!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on July 02, 2008, 12:37:41 PM
Pity about Walsh , probably too late now as you say anyway . His free taking would of taken a bit of pressure of A. Carr . to take everything if Liam Doyle is out long term .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on July 02, 2008, 02:07:35 PM
Yeh Walsh should have been on the panel, he is a quality player. 
However, i dont think he would have made one bit of difference to the game.  The problem was not actually the people in the forward line.  It is the way we approached the game.  The scores we did get came from men running at the Armagh defence in 2's and 3's, either creating an overlap or getting fouled.  We did not persist with this.  We kept trying to find John Clarke or Benny wide out on the wing, the only place there was space ok, but then when/if they got it, what could they do.  Take on 3 men and score!!!!
Against Tyrone, again our scores came from running at the defence.  It is the only alternative option to beating the blanket defence apart from having a Donaghy type player in full forward.
We are clearly capable of playing these ways as we can always throw Gordon in FF if required.  The personnel ARE there, its just how we use them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 02, 2008, 02:11:41 PM
Stumbled across the Glenn and st Paul's game last night, was n't a bad match!!! shooting was Nt great but their was no lacking of guts and determination!!!! I thought Glenn deserved something from the game!!!! But i was impressed with the grey haired st Paul's midfielder and the centre half forward... I honestly would expect our seconds team to beat both team(hope that dos nt sound patronising)

Brendan Grant would be my man on the panel ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 02, 2008, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on July 02, 2008, 12:25:08 PM
Personally i dont think so. Walsh injured at the moment anyway, had been playing well before that. Down could have done with him on sunday, he is the best man in the county at picking up and distributing break ball. But its prob too late to come into set up now.

Dont understand how and why Hugh Davey was taken onto panel!

He's not even named on the Shamrocks 1st 13 :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on July 02, 2008, 02:43:26 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 02, 2008, 02:11:41 PM
Stumbled across the Glenn and st Paul's game last night, was n't a bad match!!! shooting was Nt great but their was no lacking of guts and determination!!!! I thought Glenn deserved something from the game!!!! But i was impressed with the grey haired st Paul's midfielder and the centre half forward... I honestly would expect our seconds team to beat both team(hope that dos nt sound patronising)

Brendan Grant would be my man on the panel ;)

It does Tom it does. But you're right, as a matter of fact i'd expect your seconds to beat any side in div 3 and a few in 2 n'all. The sun making an appearance directly behind the Glenn goals in the second half did nothing for St Pauls' shooting but both sides took a few good ones in the first half. The grey lad has an AI medal in his back pocket so ye'd expect him to be handy at that level while the CHF would be senior standard if he'd give up that oul groundball nonsense.(and practise his solo instead)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 02, 2008, 03:36:42 PM
Sorry for that then ;D its in the blood i guess :L i think that inside of ACPRL we should have  ACL div 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 and then Ed and Sd reserve leagues
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on July 02, 2008, 03:51:12 PM
Tom i agree with your points on ACPRL to a degree.  Although we (Rostrevor) are not having a great year this year in the reserves, for a number of years there, ourselves, Kilcoo, the Bridge, and back a while Clonduff and An Riocht could have competed right up with the lower Div 2 teams.  The ACPRL is a bit of a disaster at times to be honest.  The fixtures for it can be very hap hazard.  This year it has not been too bad but last year was an absolute fiasco.  I think it went 7 weeks without a game at one stage.

The only problem with entering the stronger teams in the ACFl will be that the 1sts and 2nds have to play at the same time.  The 1sts will take at least 20 players, probably 22/23.  This will leave a strain on the 2nds team as well as meaning up to 8 players will not get a game that week.  The same boys will prob be subs every week and therefore will get very little football.  If there was a way around this then i would def agree with your idea.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on July 02, 2008, 03:53:00 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 02, 2008, 03:36:42 PM
Sorry for that then ;D its in the blood i guess :L i think that inside of ACPRL we should have  ACL div 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 and then Ed and Sd reserve leagues

No bother, only winding anyway. I'm old enough to have played when it was like that (and to remember when your firsts were playin agin shamrocks seconds  ;D ) tbh I prefer the present system and I think you would too, if you could compare, as the standard of games you are playing now would be higher than they would be under the old system.

On another note I was just sent this link for all the down club locations. At first glance it appears that most are a little bit out (some a lot i.e St Micks), anybody any idea how to update or refine it?

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=112236342169528719538.0004379aa88f7184c16a8 (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=112236342169528719538.0004379aa88f7184c16a8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 02, 2008, 04:00:49 PM
I know what your saying superdupe but i think it would enhance football in Down... there is a massive gap in ACPRL league 1.....

Minor championship tonights lads... the Bridge travel to the RGU, any East Down psters know if they are strong????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 02, 2008, 04:08:36 PM
Tom, you will get over that one - we beat them twice in the AC League. We have Rostrevor in Newcastle and the lads are well up for this one as our Minor Manager will be in Hospital for the forseeable future..
On the league set up, Bryansford II's are playing better teams than our I's and the games are better viewing as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on July 02, 2008, 07:04:05 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 02, 2008, 02:11:41 PM
... I honestly would expect our seconds team to beat both team

15 against 30...I'll take that bet ;)

A shake up in the league structure is needed for sure. All ACPRL1 teams and half of ACPRL2 teams would easily compete in Div 3 and some would challenge well in Div 1/2..

The Antrim league is set up this way and they have 6 divisions, allowing most teams to find their competitive level..Our Div 4 is a joke now and clubs like us would dread being back down there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on July 02, 2008, 08:35:36 PM
with down having got passed tyrone when are the championship games due to take place??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on July 02, 2008, 09:03:37 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on July 02, 2008, 07:04:05 PM


A shake up in the league structure is needed for sure. All ACPRL1 teams and half of ACPRL2 teams would easily compete in Div 3 and some would challenge well in Div 1/2..



I think you are down playing the ability of third and second division teams and way over estimating some reserve teams. Most top true reserve teams (ie those that play at the same time as their seniors) would do well to compete with the top four in divsion three on a weekly basis. Look at the Armagh tables for an example. Cross, have been the best team in Ireland over the last ten years but their reserves consistently end up mid-table in divsion three and I don't believe their league is that much stronger than ours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 02, 2008, 10:42:11 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 02, 2008, 04:00:49 PM
I know what your saying superdupe but i think it would enhance football in Down... there is a massive gap in ACPRL league 1.....

Minor championship tonights lads... the Bridge travel to the RGU, any East Down psters know if they are strong????

any results from the minor chamionship?

Bredagh beat Ballymartin tonight by 7 i think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 02, 2008, 11:22:58 PM
The Bridge beat Downpatrick 2-15 to 1-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on July 02, 2008, 11:24:46 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 02, 2008, 03:36:42 PM
Sorry for that then ;D its in the blood i guess :L i think that inside of ACPRL we should have  ACL div 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 and then Ed and Sd reserve leagues


I would like see Down follow Antrim and just have ACL 1,2,3,4,5,6,7.

Playing leagues 1 to 3 on friday nites and then 4-7 on sunday evening.

I dont think the current format has any benefit to the smaller teams playin in div 3/4 gettin tanked most weeks where as they would be playing against teams 2ND teams at a closer standard to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 03, 2008, 01:13:23 AM
An Riocht beat the Harps by a point :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 03, 2008, 09:09:52 AM
MFC Bryansford beat Rostrevor by 9pts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 03, 2008, 09:25:03 AM
I think we're getting the wrong end of the stick with the All County Reserves. Combining them with Divisions 4 and most of Division 3 would reduce the standard of football, and should be avoided...they're better preparation for players wanting to play Senior Division I the way they are. Just because they are stuck with the moniker "Reserve" doesn't make the football bad.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on July 03, 2008, 09:28:38 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 03, 2008, 09:25:03 AM
I think we're getting the wrong end of the stick with the All County Reserves. Combining them with Divisions 4 and most of Division 3 would reduce the standard of football, and should be avoided...they're better preparation for players wanting to play Senior Division I the way they are. Just because they are stuck with the moniker "Reserve" doesn't make the football bad.


Wobb would you prefer the word DEVOLOPMENT instead off reserve
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on July 03, 2008, 09:38:45 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on July 02, 2008, 07:04:05 PM
A shake up in the league structure is needed for sure. All ACPRL1 teams and half of ACPRL2 teams would easily compete in Div 3 and some would challenge well in Div 1/2..

The Antrim league is set up this way and they have 6 divisions, allowing most teams to find their competitive level..Our Div 4 is a joke now and clubs like us would dread being back down there.

Sorry, disagree 100%.

As others have said, having separate match times allows the senior subs to play for the 2nds, which is the objective.

Even if it was split Div 1, 2 & 3 on fri nights, with 4, 5, 6 and 7 on sundays, you'll find a few of the stronger clubs with division 3 2nds teams - and then players will suffer through being on the senior panel, but not on the team.


With regards competitive level, doubtful, a big match for the 2nds coming up (against a rival)? Draft in a few more seniors to ensure the win.



Without doubt, one thing we should not be looking to emulate is the league structure of one of the worst run counties in Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 03, 2008, 10:09:40 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 03, 2008, 09:38:45 AM



Without doubt, one thing we should not be looking to emulate is the league structure of one of the worst run counties in Ireland.

You obviously know more than me but i can only say that the Antrim div1 hurling has reverted back to a senior and reserve on the same day, mostly sundays and its a power of good for club hurling, better crowds, better standard of competitive hurling, so i wouldn't go berating them so much when a lot of our leagues are a bigger shambles.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 03, 2008, 10:34:16 AM
Just got a text from a reliable source that Doyler needs a knee op and won't be playing again this year  :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 03, 2008, 10:55:26 AM
just been told it's a cruciate ligament, and he is gone for 12 mths...

i would wonder if he will be back ever....

such a shame cos he worked his balls off this year to get back and he is a class act!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 03, 2008, 10:59:28 AM
Thats a f**king disaster lads....feel really sorry for the lad...as Goldenyears said...some talent and has had no luck at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on July 03, 2008, 11:04:23 AM
Thats desperate news about Doyle.  He really did work hard this year to get himself back to his best.  A great player when in full flow and i dont know if we can replace that sort of player!!!

On the club minor championship, we relinquished our crown last night to Bryansford, but not without an great battle.  They won by 9 in the end but that was after scoring 1-2 in the final 3 minutes.  We got our keeper sent off after 5 minutes but it did not effect the 1st half where it was 1-3 to 1-2 at half time for the Ford.  In the second half, they moved the spare man out around the middle and this was a smart move.   They were able to offload the ball and get overlaps, which wasnt happening 1st half, and they looked a far better side for it in the 2nd half.  
There was no doubting Bryansford were a better team, but it was one of those games were you were still proud of your team due to the effort they put in.  We are currently bottom of the South Down minor league Div 1 so it was not expected that we would put up much resistance against such a good team, but we did.
Good luck to Bryansford who are a good side and came through a tough game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on July 03, 2008, 11:05:54 AM
Terrible news , must be heartbreaking for him after working so hard to get back from the last injury . Huge loss to Down football .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on July 03, 2008, 11:59:00 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 02, 2008, 10:42:11 PM

Bredagh beat Ballymartin tonight by 7 i think

bredagh won by 10.
newry shamrocks and kilcoo went through aswell
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 03, 2008, 12:52:15 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on July 03, 2008, 11:59:00 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 02, 2008, 10:42:11 PM

Bredagh beat Ballymartin tonight by 7 i think

bredagh won by 10.
newry shamrocks and kilcoo went through aswell

diddnt realise it was by that many
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on July 03, 2008, 12:58:49 PM
Is Declan Rooney out for the rest of the yr ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on July 03, 2008, 01:00:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 03, 2008, 10:34:16 AM
Just got a text from a reliable source that Doyler needs a knee op and won't be playing again this year  :(

Be very surprised to see Doyle back in the Down jerseay after this set-back, but hope I am wrong.
The only option for Ross now with an even weaker defence is to bite the bullet - Colgan to full back, and I'd play Murphy at no.6.
Worth looking at Duffin for the wing position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 03, 2008, 01:10:07 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Dan McCartan ended up at no 6. It would be a drastic change from having a playmaker there, but he at least would have the diligence to play the position. Others to consider would be McKernan (as long as Offaly's centre-forward isn't a dynamo) or Rafferty (as long as Offaly's centre-forward isn't a big fella).

Duffin would be interesting, but it's not the time for drafting players into the panel.

I wouldn't move Murph or Carr from the wing-back spots. Neither got fully going in an attacking sense against Armagh, but they were joint leaders in breaking-ball (4 each), and you could hardly describe Vernon or O'Rourke's influence on the game as strong, so they did their job in defence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on July 03, 2008, 02:09:58 PM
Well O'Rourke only played for half a game like.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 03, 2008, 02:16:09 PM
oh do f**k off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 03, 2008, 02:21:45 PM
Is there a full set of Div 3 games tonight or are some tomorrow?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The GAA on July 03, 2008, 02:28:29 PM
I'd have said O'Rourke was one of Armagh's best 3 players in the first half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on July 03, 2008, 02:29:27 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 03, 2008, 02:16:09 PM
oh do f**k off.

Any reason for this outburst?

I was just syaing he only played half a game so I don't know how you can judge a defensive performance on that. The defeat seems to have touched a nerve and you need to grow up. I was making a point and you responded with that comment? No need for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on July 03, 2008, 03:12:12 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 03, 2008, 02:21:45 PM
Is there a full set of Div 3 games tonight or are some tomorrow?

bar our game that was played on tuesday, there should be a full set of Div 3 games!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 03, 2008, 04:39:06 PM
there you are,

ACFL Div 3
Carryduff v Bosco
Glasdrumman v Saul
Ardglass v Teconnaught
Bredagh v Drumaness
St Micheals v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 03, 2008, 06:26:28 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on July 03, 2008, 10:55:26 AM

i would wonder if he will be back ever....



dont worry GY its only a cruciate ligament, they wont put him down or anything that extreme.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whacker on July 03, 2008, 08:48:56 PM
After hearing that the referee in the Ballyholland Saval game tonight dropped dead on the pitch. Anyone confirm this?

Think it was Cole from An Riocht?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 03, 2008, 09:03:53 PM
Yes it was definitely Mickey Cole from An Riocht.  He was Newry lord mayor for a year or 2 there, hard to believe...only about 50-52 id say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whacker on July 03, 2008, 09:29:23 PM
Deepest Sympathy to his family and the An Riocht club!

RIP
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Post by: upthecrups on July 03, 2008, 09:34:51 PM
Was at the match, still shaking from seeing it.
Unfortunately they were unable to revive him, with a young women and fella putting in some sterling work!!
It sure puts football into perspective!


May he Rest in Peace
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Carmen Stateside on July 03, 2008, 09:37:59 PM
May he rest in peace!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 03, 2008, 09:42:23 PM
Terrible news. Just like to echo the sentiments of previous posters. Rest in Peace from all at Dundrum GFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FermPundit on July 03, 2008, 09:46:05 PM
Awful news. RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on July 03, 2008, 09:48:30 PM
May God rest the poor man .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on July 03, 2008, 09:49:31 PM
God help his family. R.I.P.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on July 03, 2008, 09:49:58 PM
Terrible news RIP.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 03, 2008, 09:53:10 PM
RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 03, 2008, 10:11:48 PM
I've known Mickey all my life.  I was shocked when I heard the news. May he rest in peace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on July 03, 2008, 10:20:16 PM
Sad news. RIP.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on July 03, 2008, 10:22:22 PM
heard the news after magherlin drumgath game.terrible to hear R.I.P.

the game was a draw dan mc cabe netted a fine individualgoal for drumgath in the first half they where about 7 or 8 points at one stage.  didnt show up in the second half think they only maybe managed a point if even!brian sweeney and decky lavery inspired the magherlin comeback, point should keep them up.  was contraversy at end drumgath claimed they won by a point linden wasnt happy amongest others wasnt really keeping scores coz thought drumgath would walk it but from when magherlin where 4 down seemed to be a draw!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on July 03, 2008, 10:29:30 PM
I know I speak for every one from RGUDownpatrick when I say Mickey was an absolute gentleman and deepest sympathy to his famiily. RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 03, 2008, 10:57:32 PM
As you can imagine, we're in a state of shock in Ballyholland.

No words can be used to describe how awful it is to see someone pass away in this manner.

Rest in peace Mickey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on July 03, 2008, 10:59:42 PM
Very sad news,may he Rest In Peace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on July 03, 2008, 10:59:52 PM
Terrible news re Mickey Cole - deepest sympathy to his family & friends on the loss of a great gael of Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 03, 2008, 11:06:54 PM
Tuesday 1st July
ACHL Div 1
Ballycran 3 12  Bredagh 1 09
Ballygalget 1 14 Kilclief  0 04
Liatroim 1 17 Portaferry  2 09
Ballela 3 14 Shamrocks  3 14
ACHL Div 2
Portaferry 1 07  Clonduff 3 02
Castlewellan 2 19  Ballygalget 5 13
Warrenpoint 2 19  Ballyvarley 2 11
ACFL Div 3
Glenn 0 09 St Pauls 0 11
Thursday 3rd July
ACFL Div 1
Ballyholland v Saval  Abandoned due to death of Referee Micheal Cole (RIP)
Castlewellan 0 14 Clonduff 0 11
Longstone 0 10  Liatroim 1 12
Rostrevor v Loughinisland  Abandoned
Burren 0 09 Mayobridge 1 08
An Riocht 0 12 Kilcoo 0 09
ACFL Div 2
Annaclone 1 14 Clann na Banna 2 08
Kilclief 3 09 Darragh Cross 2 15
Downpatrick 2 11 Ballymartin 1 09
Tullylish 0 10 Shamrocks 2 09
Dundrum 0 11 Attical 1 10
ACFL Div 3
Carryduff 0 12  Bosco 0 07
Glasdrumman 3 13 Saul 2 13
Ardglass  3 09 Teconnaught 1 07
Bredagh 0 14 Drumaness 0 08
St Micheals 0 15 Drumgath 2 09
ACFL Div 4
Aughlisnafinn v 1 09 Aghaderg 2 13
Friday 4th 7 30
ACFL Div 2
Bryansford v Warrenpoint(M Curran)
ACFL Div 4
St Johns v BrightP Mc Clorey)
Dromara v Ballykinlar(C Mc Alinden)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on July 03, 2008, 11:11:54 PM
RIP Mickey Cole from all in Annaclone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smiler An Dun on July 03, 2008, 11:33:18 PM
Shocked when i heard the news.huge loss 2 the gaa in Down. RIP Mickey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 04, 2008, 12:02:02 AM
A sad day in Down football's world

MICHEAL COLE RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 04, 2008, 12:05:16 AM
P   W   D    L   Pts   SD   Teams
12   11   0    1   22    79   Mayobridge
12    8   1    3   17    52   Kilcoo
11    7   1    3   15     5   Rostrevor
12    7   0    5   14     3   Longstone
12    6   1    5   13    24   Castlewellan
11    6   1    4   13    -2   Loughinisland
12    6   0    6   12    -5   Burren
12    6   0    6   12   -14   Clonduff
11    3   2    6    8   -17   Saval
11    2   1    8    5   -24   Ballyholland
12    2   1    9    5   -38   Liatroim
12    2   0   10    4   -57   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 04, 2008, 12:07:53 AM
Hard to take in the news about Micky.  He was a gentleman from a solid family circle and a respected ref as well. 

Does this teach Down (and other counties) the urgent need for defibs at every game.  Tyrone are well ahead of us on this.  It may, or may not, have worked for Micky but may have given Micky a chance that (prob) wasn't there tonight.

This one hits real hard, last spoke with Micky in Jan he looked fit and well, just goes to show could be any of us tomorrow I suppose. 

Commiserations to the the whole family circle and in particular brothers Maurice and Quinten who I knew at school.  RIP. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on July 04, 2008, 07:54:50 AM
Michael Cole RIP

On Div 1 results couple of shocks - Liatriom beating the Stone in the Stone by 5 is a big shock and also An Riocht beating Kilcoo by 3. It's getting a bit tight in the middle of the table. Why was the Rostrevor/Loughinisland match abandoned?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on July 04, 2008, 08:21:06 AM
Sad News, Micheal cole R.I.P. from all at sabhall phadraig
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on July 04, 2008, 08:45:31 AM
rostrevor game was abandoned beacuse the ref hurt his hamstring.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 04, 2008, 09:27:48 AM
Shocking news about Mickey Cole.  May he rest in peace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on July 04, 2008, 09:30:15 AM
From everyone in the St. Paul's club, we would like to pass our deepest sympathies to the Cole family at this time.

Rest In Peace Mickey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 04, 2008, 09:42:00 AM
harrowing experience to be involved in this last night lads. an awful way for any man to go.

he just fell over, and was gone within seconds i would say. put him in the recovery position and i have to say the response from people at the game was fantastic - they administered CPR, luckily we had a nurse at the game who took control of the situ. paramedics arrived within 15 mins and tried working on him at the ground. i think he was pronounced dead after about half hour.

v v sad thing to happen, and my condolences to his family and the an riocht club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on July 04, 2008, 09:46:10 AM
Latest Down ACFL Division 2 Table

                       Played     Points

Bryansford             11          22
Banbridge              12          16
Warrenpoint          11          14
Annaclone             12          14
------------------------------------------------
Atticall                  12          14
Shamrocks             12          14
Ballymartin             12          13
Darragh Cross         12          11
-----------------------------------------------
Downpatrick          12          10
Tullylish                 12           6
Kilclief                   12           5
Dundrum               12           2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 04, 2008, 09:47:38 AM
Injury-hit Doyle to miss rest of year Gaelic Games
By Eamonn O'Hara
04/07/08

LIAM Doyle will play no further part in Down's All-Ireland Senior Football Championship campaign.

Sadly for the influential centre half-back and prolific marksman from free-kicks, his deepest fears about the knee injury he suffered 20 minutes into last Sunday's Ulster SFC semi-final were realised yesterday.

The results of a scan on the left knee confirmed he requires surgery and the ligament damage will sideline the Liatroim star for the rest of the season. He is unlikely to play football again until some time in 2009.

It is a sickening setback for the player who has been battling with injuries for much of the past five years.

Doyle missed the whole of last season because of a series of injuries and only returned to the competitive senior scene in January's first round Dr McKenna Cup win over Donegal.

Down's team spokesman Diarmuid Cahill said last night that the squad was shattered to learn of the extent of the damage and loss of "such an influential player" for their forthcoming All-Ireland SFC Qualifier against Offaly at Tullamore on July 19.

"It is very, very disappointing for Liam to be told on Thursday morning that he will have to have an operation. Unfortunately, the injury to his knee is as serious as initially feared and it will keep him out of football for the rest of the year," said Cahill.

"He has been so unlucky with injuries. For one reason or another, Liam has missed the best part of four years, maybe five years, because of one serious injury after another.

"After being ruled out of the game in 2007, he worked so hard to get himself back into the county squad and fit again and this season he was probably back playing his best football.

"Unfortunately, it doesn't look good for him at the moment and he's going to be out of football for the foreseeable future."

Apart from all his defensive duties, the Liatroim player's impact this season has been noted in the area of frees alongside Aidan Carr, Down's other main free-taker, who generally deals with right-sided frees.

Doyle posted 14 points during the NFL and crucially seven scores from frees during a two-match Ulster SFC first round marathon that ended Tyrone's title reign at Pairc Esler.

Carr has so far racked up 1-16 in League and Championship this year.

For the first round Qualifier, the team management will have options elsewhere boosted. Corner-back Martin Cole, one of six survivors from the last team to play Offaly, in the Division Two final at Croke Park in 2004, will be available. Cole's four-week suspension from the drawn Tyrone match expires this weekend.

In addition, Declan Rooney continues to make strong progress back from injury. Rooney underwent surgery during the NFL campaign to rectify damage to a leg. He has not played competitively since.

Their team spokesman indicated that the midfield/half-back option was close to full fitness and was pushing for inclusion.

MEANWHILE, the Down County Board was hit with a e250 fine yesterday by Croke Park authorities.

This relates to a challenge game against Cork, played behind closed doors, at Pairc Esler on May 24.

Problems following the game led to the Ulster SHC quarter-final between Armagh and London, fixed for the same venue, being delayed for almost 40 minutes.

The GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) fined Down under Rule 143b. The rule states that "an inter-county challenge shall be sanctioned by a provincial or a central council.

"The sanction must be obtained from a provincial council when the teams are from the same province, and from the provincial councils and central council when teams are from more than one province."


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 04, 2008, 10:46:50 AM
I would also just like to say how shocking it is to hear of the death of mickey cole.  Although originally An Riocht he in the last number of years refereed as a Ballymartin referee.  But there is more than those clubs will feel the shock of this, the whole mourne area is in shock he was an exellent councillor for the area evident from the amount of times he'd be in the mourne observer every week.  We would of laughed in our house sayin 'how many times will mickey cole be in the mourne observer this week'  But he was more than just a referee and a councillor, he was also a friendly face you'd see about 'the town' regularly and would have been full of craic about football, when driving you home in a taxi after a night out... He could also aggravate the hell out of you winding you up! He will be sadly missed by all in county down but he will be remembered for a very long time throughout mourne and I know he will be very sadly missed by his 3daughters and son who were very close indeed.

Rest in Peace Mickey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on July 04, 2008, 11:26:36 AM
Condolences to the family of Mickey Cole RIP.  A great character, well liked throughout the county for his down to earth attitude on all things, especially football.

We were initially frustrated because our game had to be abandoned after 30 seconds due to the ref colliding with Dan Gordon and going over on his ankle.  Brogan from Kilcoo.  In fairness he couldnt walk.  During training then news began to come through about Mickey and everyone just sort of stopped.  We couldnt believe it and were extremely shocked.

From St Bronaghs Rostrevor, a prayer will be said.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on July 04, 2008, 11:28:37 AM
RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 04, 2008, 12:12:22 PM
Any word on funeral arrangements?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 04, 2008, 02:16:04 PM
I would imagine Saturday or Sunday mass at Massforth or else Grange , both in Kilkeel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 04, 2008, 02:40:46 PM
Post mortem being done today, i'd be 99% sure funeral sunday in massforth.  Will be a huge funeral!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 04, 2008, 03:02:49 PM
I missed our game last night but got a running commentary on events from a few of the boys on the sideline. Absolutely shocking news. I didnt know Mickey personally but I'll remember him as someone who always had a smile on his face.

RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on July 05, 2008, 12:49:13 PM
From todays Irish News.

COLE (Kilkeel) July 3, 2008 Michael (Micky), 26 Casement Park. His remains will leave his daughter Julie's residence 1 McGoldrick's Villas, Kitty's Road at 11.00am on Monday 7th for 12.00 noon Requiem Mass in St Colman's Church, Massforth. Burial afterwards in adjoining cemetery. Deeply regretted by his wife Roisin, son Michael, daughters Julie, Lorraine and Maria, grandchildren Aimee, Miceal, Colleen and Caiden, brothers, sisters, sons-in-law Shane and Sandy and entire family circle. St Michael the Archangel pray for him. Family flowers only please. Donations in lieu if desired to Chest, Heart and Stroke and the charities Micky supported. c/o N Doran Funeral Director, 25 Newry Street, Kilkeel, BT34 4DN.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 05, 2008, 08:51:18 PM
ACFL Division 2
Bryansford 2.11 Warrenpoint 0.09
That makes it 12 out of 12!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on July 07, 2008, 11:25:30 PM
The CCC in this county are really taking the piss now by telling clubs to play a set of fixtures this week that were not scheduled to take place, like a lot of clubs our players organised holidays around these fixtures & now we are left to try & sort the whole mess out with the club that we are due to play.
Totally unacceptable in my opinion that this has been allowed to happen due to a mistake by one individual who thought the July holidays were a week earlier than they actually were ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Division 3 promotion and relegation
Post by: stpauls on July 08, 2008, 09:29:00 AM
Quote from: passedit on June 19, 2008, 04:50:06 PM
Now that the leagues are half way through could someone enlighten me as to the mechanism for promotion and relegation from division three. I've been told that there will be no playoffs with the bottom three going down and the top two up. surely this would be grossly unfair to drumgath especially, or is this the CO board's way of sticking two fingers up at them for last years debacle?

just to answer this passedit, here is what the county board has to say on the matter:

(b)   Relegation from Divisions 1, 2 and 3 will be determined on a round   robin basis involving the bottom four teams in each of these Divisions following completion of the ordinary round of leagues.  Two teams will be relegated each year.  An exception will apply in 2008 when three teams will be relegated from Division 3.

(c)       Promotion from Divisions 2 and 3 will be determined on a round robin basis involving the top four teams in each of these Divisions following completion of the ordinary round of leagues. Two teams will be promoted each year.  There shall be no play-offs to determine promotion from Division 4, with the top two teams after the ordinary round of league games being deemed winners and runners-up respectively.  Both these teams will be promoted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 08, 2008, 09:42:53 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on July 07, 2008, 11:25:30 PM
The CCC in this county are really taking the piss now by telling clubs to play a set of fixtures this week that were not scheduled to take place, like a lot of clubs our players organised holidays around these fixtures & now we are left to try & sort the whole mess out with the club that we are due to play.
Totally unacceptable in my opinion that this has been allowed to happen due to a mistake by one individual who thought the July holidays were a week earlier than they actually were ??? ??? ??? ???

Totally agree, the amount of hassle this has caused is unreal and the person in question should resign over it, these dates should have been kept even though the balls up was made.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on July 08, 2008, 10:23:21 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 05, 2008, 08:51:18 PM
ACFL Division 2
Bryansford 2.11 Warrenpoint 0.09
That makes it 12 out of 12!

Can see Bryansford winning this league.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on July 08, 2008, 11:23:03 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 08, 2008, 09:42:53 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on July 07, 2008, 11:25:30 PM
The CCC in this county are really taking the piss now by telling clubs to play a set of fixtures this week that were not scheduled to take place, like a lot of clubs our players organised holidays around these fixtures & now we are left to try & sort the whole mess out with the club that we are due to play.
Totally unacceptable in my opinion that this has been allowed to happen due to a mistake by one individual who thought the July holidays were a week earlier than they actually were ??? ??? ??? ???

Totally agree, the amount of hassle this has caused is unreal and the person in question should resign over it, these dates should have been kept even though the balls up was made.
I do not think resignation is the answer. What should happen is that culpability should be accepted and the fixture set re-arranged before it is too late. Read in the papers this am that half the Downpatrick team is away as is their manager and the holidays were all booked on the strength of the published fixture list. Players from all teams have probably booked holidays at the most expensive time of the year just to fit in around the GAA calendar.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 08, 2008, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: upthehoops on July 08, 2008, 11:23:03 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 08, 2008, 09:42:53 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on July 07, 2008, 11:25:30 PM
The CCC in this county are really taking the piss now by telling clubs to play a set of fixtures this week that were not scheduled to take place, like a lot of clubs our players organised holidays around these fixtures & now we are left to try & sort the whole mess out with the club that we are due to play.
Totally unacceptable in my opinion that this has been allowed to happen due to a mistake by one individual who thought the July holidays were a week earlier than they actually were ??? ??? ??? ???

Totally agree, the amount of hassle this has caused is unreal and the person in question should resign over it, these dates should have been kept even though the balls up was made.
I do not think resignation is the answer. What should happen is that culpability should be accepted and the fixture set re-arranged before it is too late. Read in the papers this am that half the Downpatrick team is away as is their manager and the holidays were all booked on the strength of the published fixture list. Players from all teams have probably booked holidays at the most expensive time of the year just to fit in around the GAA calendar.

This is the case with all clubs and its not acceptable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on July 08, 2008, 04:10:56 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 08, 2008, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: upthehoops on July 08, 2008, 11:23:03 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 08, 2008, 09:42:53 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on July 07, 2008, 11:25:30 PM
The CCC in this county are really taking the piss now by telling clubs to play a set of fixtures this week that were not scheduled to take place, like a lot of clubs our players organised holidays around these fixtures & now we are left to try & sort the whole mess out with the club that we are due to play.
Totally unacceptable in my opinion that this has been allowed to happen due to a mistake by one individual who thought the July holidays were a week earlier than they actually were ??? ??? ??? ???

Totally agree, the amount of hassle this has caused is unreal and the person in question should resign over it, these dates should have been kept even though the balls up was made.
I do not think resignation is the answer. What should happen is that culpability should be accepted and the fixture set re-arranged before it is too late. Read in the papers this am that half the Downpatrick team is away as is their manager and the holidays were all booked on the strength of the published fixture list. Players from all teams have probably booked holidays at the most expensive time of the year just to fit in around the GAA calendar.

This is the case with all clubs and its not acceptable

jesus, don't let 5 Sams hear you say that, he might get annoyed with you, but at least it's nice to see we aren't the only club who thinks that this situation is a bit of a shambles!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on July 08, 2008, 06:35:07 PM
Could anyone post the confirmed dates for the semi finals and final of the Senior, Intermediate, and Junior Football Championships please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 08, 2008, 06:35:35 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 08, 2008, 02:16:49 PM
Quote from: upthehoops on July 08, 2008, 11:23:03 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 08, 2008, 09:42:53 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on July 07, 2008, 11:25:30 PM
The CCC in this county are really taking the piss now by telling clubs to play a set of fixtures this week that were not scheduled to take place, like a lot of clubs our players organised holidays around these fixtures & now we are left to try & sort the whole mess out with the club that we are due to play.
Totally unacceptable in my opinion that this has been allowed to happen due to a mistake by one individual who thought the July holidays were a week earlier than they actually were ??? ??? ??? ???

Totally agree, the amount of hassle this has caused is unreal and the person in question should resign over it, these dates should have been kept even though the balls up was made.
I do not think resignation is the answer. What should happen is that culpability should be accepted and the fixture set re-arranged before it is too late. Read in the papers this am that half the Downpatrick team is away as is their manager and the holidays were all booked on the strength of the published fixture list. Players from all teams have probably booked holidays at the most expensive time of the year just to fit in around the GAA calendar.

This is the case with all clubs and its not acceptable

Surely an alternative date could be found to play this set of fixtures? A slight degree of common sense on the County Boards behalf would go a long way to solving this mess.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TowBar on July 08, 2008, 08:27:35 PM
Are rumors true that big Packie Downey has left for the states, and does any one know if this weeks games are starred. Could be a few upsets on the cards with most teams fairly weakened.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on July 08, 2008, 08:36:57 PM
Packie Downey left for the states about 3 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 08, 2008, 09:45:34 PM
Taken from Downpatrick RGU Club Notes

Down leagues are supposed to be the envy of the country with the regularity of games for senior clubs. This week sees the c**k up of the year with clubs being forced to play games in a period which was designated to be holiday period. According to the county hand book RGU's last game before the holiday was to be Thursday's game against Ballymartin. ( Why else would it be on a Thursday anyway?)
Now the Activities game realise they have made a mistake and have put down games for next Thursday. No problem you may think except players make their holiday arrangements around the schedule set out at the start of the year. No fewer than six players from Downpatrick's starting 15 from last week will be on holiday as will Manager Paul Evans, all based on the information at the start of the year and there is no opportunity of redress. Teams prepare and train all year to gain maximum reward for their endeavours but to be disadvantaged like this is a disgrace

Totally agree. This balls up could have been avoided by simply rescheduling the games. This has f**ked a lot of players and a hell of a lot of clubs off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on July 08, 2008, 09:57:13 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on July 08, 2008, 06:35:07 PM
Could anyone post the confirmed dates for the semi finals and final of the Senior, Intermediate, and Junior Football Championships please?
Would it really matter what dates are confirmed, whenever the gobshites in our county administration seem to change them whenever they feel like doing so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 08, 2008, 10:00:47 PM
Hurling results from tonight.

Portaferry 6-21 1-4 Ballela
Ballycran Warrenpoint (D/F)
Ballygalget 1-13 1-7 Portaferry

Surprised at Warrenpoint not fielding. They were top of the league. Maybe they weren't keen on travelling when they heard that Ballycrans IIs match was off?

Great performance from Portaferry again but there's still a few seniors turning out on this team. Ballela were very poor tonight but they were missing half a dozen. They'll
not meet anyone as strong as this in the JHC.

I hear it was a real battle in Ballygalget. Loads of timber broken and 2 men off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 08, 2008, 10:35:00 PM
I take it from the quotes on here that there is little support for the rounf of fixtures this Thursday?

what should they have done, played three fixtures in one week later on, say Friday, Tuesday, Friday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 08, 2008, 10:37:57 PM
Feck off Square Ball! Tuesday is hurling night!

I think they should have run with the fixtures as published in the book. Least worst option IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 08, 2008, 10:44:48 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 08, 2008, 10:35:00 PM
I take it from the quotes on here that there is little support for the rounf of fixtures this Thursday?

what should they have done, played three fixtures in one week later on, say Friday, Tuesday, Friday?
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 08, 2008, 10:37:57 PM
Feck off Square Ball! Tuesday is hurling night!

I think they should have run with the fixtures as published in the book. Least worst option IMO.

sorry,in order not to offend the Hurlers, Friday, A.N Other, Friday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on July 09, 2008, 08:28:43 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 08, 2008, 09:45:34 PM
Taken from Downpatrick RGU Club Notes

Down leagues are supposed to be the envy of the country with the regularity of games for senior clubs. This week sees the c**k up of the year with clubs being forced to play games in a period which was designated to be holiday period. According to the county hand book RGU's last game before the holiday was to be Thursday's game against Ballymartin. ( Why else would it be on a Thursday anyway?)
Now the Activities game realise they have made a mistake and have put down games for next Thursday. No problem you may think except players make their holiday arrangements around the schedule set out at the start of the year. No fewer than six players from Downpatrick's starting 15 from last week will be on holiday as will Manager Paul Evans, all based on the information at the start of the year and there is no opportunity of redress. Teams prepare and train all year to gain maximum reward for their endeavours but to be disadvantaged like this is a disgrace

Totally agree. This balls up could have been avoided by simply rescheduling the games. This has f**ked a lot of players and a hell of a lot of clubs off.
I mentioned this problem on this board last week and was virtually told to wind my neck in, at last you are all starting to see it from my point of view this is a disgrace and should be adressed by the county board, all games for this week should have been called off and put to the end off the league, just the same as they did with the fixtures that are down for two weeks time.
Maybe we should start putting invoices into the county board to cover the cost off flights home that have been booked from last month and days off work to allow our club players to get home from England and Scotland then we would see that the fixtures would remain as set down at the start off the year.
P.S. anyone know when the IFC starts
Title: Re: Division 3 promotion and relegation
Post by: off the laces on July 09, 2008, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: stpauls on July 08, 2008, 09:29:00 AM
Quote from: passedit on June 19, 2008, 04:50:06 PM
Now that the leagues are half way through could someone enlighten me as to the mechanism for promotion and relegation from division three. I've been told that there will be no playoffs with the bottom three going down and the top two up. surely this would be grossly unfair to drumgath especially, or is this the CO board's way of sticking two fingers up at them for last years debacle?

just to answer this passedit, here is what the county board has to say on the matter:

(b)   Relegation from Divisions 1, 2 and 3 will be determined on a round   robin basis involving the bottom four teams in each of these Divisions following completion of the ordinary round of leagues.  Two teams will be relegated each year.  An exception will apply in 2008 when three teams will be relegated from Division 3.

(c)       Promotion from Divisions 2 and 3 will be determined on a round robin basis involving the top four teams in each of these Divisions following completion of the ordinary round of leagues. Two teams will be promoted each year.  There shall be no play-offs to determine promotion from Division 4, with the top two teams after the ordinary round of league games being deemed winners and runners-up respectively.  Both these teams will be promoted.
St pauls is this the last word on this issue by the county board, it is definetly not going to be 5 playoff with 3 going down, as 3 out off 4 is pretty tough going and could run on for a couple off rounds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on July 09, 2008, 10:06:51 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 08, 2008, 09:45:34 PM
Taken from Downpatrick RGU Club Notes

Down leagues are supposed to be the envy of the country with the regularity of games for senior clubs. This week sees the c**k up of the year with clubs being forced to play games in a period which was designated to be holiday period. According to the county hand book RGU's last game before the holiday was to be Thursday's game against Ballymartin. ( Why else would it be on a Thursday anyway?)
Now the Activities game realise they have made a mistake and have put down games for next Thursday. No problem you may think except players make their holiday arrangements around the schedule set out at the start of the year. No fewer than six players from Downpatrick's starting 15 from last week will be on holiday as will Manager Paul Evans, all based on the information at the start of the year and there is no opportunity of redress. Teams prepare and train all year to gain maximum reward for their endeavours but to be disadvantaged like this is a disgrace

Totally agree. This balls up could have been avoided by simply rescheduling the games. This has f**ked a lot of players and a hell of a lot of clubs off.

Can the clubs re-arrange the game on their own?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on July 09, 2008, 11:03:37 AM
Can the clubs re-arrange the game on their own?
[/quote]

Indeed they can.  Our match against Liatrom was supposed to be tomorrow night.  They phoned up last week and said that they may not be able to field tomorrow night because of boys goin on holiday so could we change it to tonight.  The match is now tonight.

It is a bit of a mess up for sure and obviously some clubs will be hit more than others.  I dont see why they couldnt have left it the way it was!!!

Still, its not the end of the world people.  And you might find that misssing a few players can often galvanise a team to earn a result against the odds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 09, 2008, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: TowBar on July 08, 2008, 08:27:35 PM
Are rumors true that big Packie Downey has left for the states, and does any one know if this weeks games are starred. Could be a few upsets on the cards with most teams fairly weakened.

Yes they are however the following players have been released to play....

Ciaran McGovern Burren

Stephen Kearney Saval

Marty Rafferty Shamrocks

Colm Murney Rostrevor

Martin Cole Rostrevor

Gary McArdle Annaclone

Peter Turley Downpatrick

Conor Gribben Bryansford

John Mc Areavey  Tullylish

Declan Rooney Burren

Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 09, 2008, 03:58:42 PM
Just got OFFICIAL news that all games are OFF tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on July 09, 2008, 04:27:53 PM
What about tonight's games that were re-arranged?
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 09, 2008, 04:30:02 PM
AFAIK the whole series is postponed.....your secretary should have been informed by now .....so check with him/her/it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on July 09, 2008, 04:39:55 PM
Yes all games are off.
Our match against Liatrom was one of the refixed ones and it is off.

Apparantley a couple of the clubs who were badly hit put pressure on the co board to call the games off due to the mess up on the fixture list.  Well within their rights to do so.  Also, Down have a game against Monaghan on Friday and Ross didnt want any of the players playing.  This after there being a list of released players given out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 09, 2008, 04:53:03 PM
Quote from: Super Dupe on July 09, 2008, 04:39:55 PM
Yes all games are off.
Our match against Liatrom was one of the refixed ones and it is off.

Apparantley a couple of the clubs who were badly hit put pressure on the co board to call the games off due to the mess up on the fixture list.  Well within their rights to do so.  Also, Down have a game against Monaghan on Friday and Ross didnt want any of the players playing.  This after there being a list of released players given out.

So the county board, ross carr et al think club volunteers have nothing better to do than rearrange games only to pull them in the last few hours - you couldnt make it up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 09, 2008, 05:00:07 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 09, 2008, 04:53:03 PM
Quote from: Super Dupe on July 09, 2008, 04:39:55 PM
Yes all games are off.
Our match against Liatrom was one of the refixed ones and it is off.

Apparantley a couple of the clubs who were badly hit put pressure on the co board to call the games off due to the mess up on the fixture list.  Well within their rights to do so.  Also, Down have a game against Monaghan on Friday and Ross didnt want any of the players playing.  This after there being a list of released players given out.

So the county board, ross carr et al think club volunteers have nothing better to do than rearrange games only to pull them in the last few hours - you couldnt make it up

fcuk yiz are never happy!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on July 09, 2008, 05:07:46 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 09, 2008, 05:00:07 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 09, 2008, 04:53:03 PM
Quote from: Super Dupe on July 09, 2008, 04:39:55 PM
Yes all games are off.
Our match against Liatrom was one of the refixed ones and it is off.

Apparantley a couple of the clubs who were badly hit put pressure on the co board to call the games off due to the mess up on the fixture list.  Well within their rights to do so.  Also, Down have a game against Monaghan on Friday and Ross didnt want any of the players playing.  This after there being a list of released players given out.

So the county board, ross carr et al think club volunteers have nothing better to do than rearrange games only to pull them in the last few hours - you couldnt make it up

fcuk yiz are never happy!

:D :D :D
I knew you'd love that one 5sams.

Right decision, it took a while but we got there in the end. In fairness to the Co Board, the hatefest falling on a weekend this year didn't help deciding when the official fortnight started and finished. Hope everyone remembers the moaning done now when we're ploughing through shite in November.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on July 09, 2008, 05:35:00 PM
I think now is the time for the clubs in this county to put forward a proposal for a "vote of no confidence" in the CCC of this county, this entire episode has just become so unbelievable that it really is beyond comprehension.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 09, 2008, 06:52:12 PM
fcuk yiz are never happy!
[/quote]

So again the clubs suffer because of the County - it will be ok for them to play Monaghan tomorrow night while the ordinary players are forgot about again...... 5Sams it will suit your team to have Murtagh and Murphy back later in the year, is that why you are ok with it?
Doesnt bother Bryansford as our fixture is going ahead in Newcastle at 7.30 tonight against Atticall.....FCUK THE CCC! ;)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on July 09, 2008, 07:20:45 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 09, 2008, 06:52:12 PM
fcuk yiz are never happy!

So again the clubs suffer because of the County - it will be ok for them to play Monaghan tomorrow night while the ordinary players are forgot about again...... 5Sams it will suit your team to have Murtagh and Murphy back later in the year, is that why you are ok with it?
Doesnt bother Bryansford as our fixture is going ahead in Newcastle at 7.30 tonight against Atticall.....FCUK THE CCC! ;)


[/quote]

Where is the game 2mar nite???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 09, 2008, 10:11:56 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 09, 2008, 06:52:12 PM
fcuk yiz are never happy!

So again the clubs suffer because of the County - it will be ok for them to play Monaghan tomorrow night while the ordinary players are forgot about again...... 5Sams it will suit your team to have Murtagh and Murphy back later in the year, is that why you are ok with it?
Doesnt bother Bryansford as our fixture is going ahead in Newcastle at 7.30 tonight against Atticall.....FCUK THE CCC! ;)


[/quote]



How did that game go spirit???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on July 10, 2008, 07:45:08 AM
Bryansford beat Attical 1-9 to 0-4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on July 10, 2008, 08:15:09 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on July 09, 2008, 05:35:00 PM
I think now is the time for the clubs in this county to put forward a proposal for a "vote of no confidence" in the CCC of this county, this entire episode has just become so unbelievable that it really is beyond comprehension.
A right royal balls up, i am with mournerambler on this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 10, 2008, 09:06:35 AM
Quote from: The Corporal on July 10, 2008, 07:45:08 AM
Bryansford beat Attical 1-9 to 0-4

Terrible conditions for a match and the lights were in use at 8pm!
Kalum King really beginning to fire - Full Forward for Down next summer!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on July 10, 2008, 10:14:33 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 10, 2008, 09:06:35 AM
Quote from: The Corporal on July 10, 2008, 07:45:08 AM
Bryansford beat Attical 1-9 to 0-4

Terrible conditions for a match and the lights were in use at 8pm!
Kalum King really beginning to fire - Full Forward for Down next summer!

Y.A.F.  (yet another forward)   Are there no backs "really beginning to fire" in any club in Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on July 10, 2008, 12:20:34 PM
Quote from: western exile on July 10, 2008, 10:14:33 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 10, 2008, 09:06:35 AM
Quote from: The Corporal on July 10, 2008, 07:45:08 AM
Bryansford beat Attical 1-9 to 0-4

Terrible conditions for a match and the lights were in use at 8pm!
Kalum King really beginning to fire - Full Forward for Down next summer!

Y.A.F.  (yet another forward)   Are there no backs "really beginning to fire" in any club in Down?
Exile ATTACK is the best form of defence ;)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on July 10, 2008, 02:35:26 PM
Quote from: off the laces on July 10, 2008, 12:20:34 PM
Quote from: western exile on July 10, 2008, 10:14:33 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 10, 2008, 09:06:35 AM
Quote from: The Corporal on July 10, 2008, 07:45:08 AM
Bryansford beat Attical 1-9 to 0-4

Terrible conditions for a match and the lights were in use at 8pm!
Kalum King really beginning to fire - Full Forward for Down next summer!

Y.A.F.  (yet another forward)   Are there no backs "really beginning to fire" in any club in Down?
Exile ATTACK is the best form of defence ;)


;D ;D ;D  Let's  hope the forwards "defend" like hell in Tullamore then   8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on July 11, 2008, 11:22:01 AM
Quote from: off the laces on July 10, 2008, 12:20:34 PM
Quote from: western exile on July 10, 2008, 10:14:33 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 10, 2008, 09:06:35 AM
Quote from: The Corporal on July 10, 2008, 07:45:08 AM
Bryansford beat Attical 1-9 to 0-4

Terrible conditions for a match and the lights were in use at 8pm!
Kalum King really beginning to fire - Full Forward for Down next summer!

Y.A.F.  (yet another forward)   Are there no backs "really beginning to fire" in any club in Down?
Exile ATTACK is the best form of defence ;)


Which is all well and good until you come up against a good defensive unit with a couple of great forwards....(See Armagh for an example)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KIDDO 4 on July 13, 2008, 02:43:49 AM
Severe injury for Down star
Terry McLaughlin
Paul McComiskey's footballing future in danger as MRI scan reveals collapsed disc in his spine

Down and out: McComiskey faces a lengthy recovery inphoDown's brilliant young corner forward Paul McComiskey has been diagnosed as suffering from a serious lower back injury. The Sunday Tribune can reveal that the 20-year-old Queen's University student, regarded as one of the most exciting attacking talents to emerge in recent years has a collapsed disc in his spine.




The injury will rule him out of playing any part in next Saturday's first round qualifier tie between Offaly and Down. The long-term consequences of the injury in terms of McComiskey's playing career are still unknown.




The initial treatment package for the injury will inevitably include a significant rest period before the prospect of any return to competitive sport becomes a reality. At this stage the chances of McComiskey being able to play meaningful football this season are bleak.




It also seems certain to put on hold the interest that has been expressed by a number of Australian Rules clubs in securing the services of McComiskey on a professional contract basis. His performances with Down and with Queen's University had been monitored over the past 12 months. It sparked a feeding frenzy from AFL scouts determined to secure McComiskey's signature.




Brisbane Lions have already held preliminary informal discussions with the player with a view to him travelling out to Australia to see what the club had to offer in terms of a full-time football career.




And former hawthorne AFL player Rickey Nixon, who is now regarded as one of the leading agents in Aussie Rules Football, and who has links with a network of top Rules clubs, has earmarked McComiskey as a leading candidate capable of transferring to the professional sphere.




Last month Nixon contacted the Dundrum clubman to ask if McComiskey would take part in a series of trial matches for potential AFL recruits to be held after the completion of the All Ireland championships. The player has consistently said that any decision on his future would have to wait until he completes his final year accountancy exams.




From a Down Gaelic football perspective McComiskey is viewed as an integral component in Ross Carr's squad. He came to national prominence when he won an All Ireland minor title with Down three seasons ago. His man of the match performance, which included a personal tally of 1-3 confirmed the astonishing potential he first displayed after breaking into senior club football at just 14.




That progress has been maintained as a member of the Queen's Sigerson Cup squad and when he joined Down's senior setup last season. His temperament under pressure was underlined when he converted the injury time leveller point against Tyrone in the Ulster championship epic last month.




Confirmation of the spinal complaint was given to the Down player after he had his MRI scan at a private Belfast clinic on Thursday afternoon. Further tests will be carried out on the player before a final decision is taken on what course of remedial action is to be followed.




The news will come as a devastating blow to Down's hopes of progressing in the All Ireland championship via the qualifiers. McComiskey's expected unavailability, coupled with the season-long loss of Liam Doyle with cruciate ligament damage will place further restrictions on Ross Carr's already tightly stretched options.




The plans for a new look front line attack formation Down had hoped to build between McComiskey and Benny Coulter are now in jeopardy. The chemistry between Coulter and the 20-year-old was one that many in Ulster believed held the key to reviving Down's fortunes.




It is understood that the spinal injury has been troubling the player for a number of months. Initially the Down medical team had hoped that physiotherapy might be sufficient to alleviate what was initially thought to be a muscle problem.




The use of McComiskey by the Down management as a second half impact substitute was also part of a conscious decision to protect the player as much as possible.




The sparing usage of the corner forward by Down had provoked criticism from sections of the media and from supporters. The consensus of opinion was that such a gifted individual was being wasted sitting on the bench.




It now appears that the limited involvement of McComiskey was more linked to protecting him from worsening the injury rather than any tactical motives.




In recent weeks the injury situation has become markedly worse. It was clear even in club matches and training sessions that the problem was significantly restricting McComiskey's acceleration and mobility. The increasing pain he was suffering in his lower back and in the nerves of his right leg triggered his inevitable MRI move last Thursday.




The devastating implications of the scan represent an unwanted chapter in Paul McComiskey's career.




However, those that know him are convinced it won't be the final chapter.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Yes I Would on July 13, 2008, 10:50:08 AM
Hopefully he will back to full fitness soon. Great talent
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 13, 2008, 11:41:47 AM
Terrible loss to the county and his club. I have seem him a number of times over the last 4 years at club level and he a fantastic player all right, hope he is able to recover from it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on July 13, 2008, 10:44:18 PM

I all makes sense now, that he has not been starting like many of us were shouting for.  Hopefully he can make a full recovery. At least he has youth on his side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 13, 2008, 11:31:27 PM
The McComiskey injury, assuming it is confirmed, would be a hammer blow on the scale of Doyle's loss. The big hope was that McComiskey would deliver as a scoring forward in partnership with Benny this summer. Unfortunately, the rest of our forwards have managed embarrassingly poor returns in the three championship games so far. We might just get out of Tullamore, but it is very difficult to see us going much further in the qualifiers without McComiskey. He is also a fine free-taker, as is Doyle, so our options there have become limited as well. There is a good case for bringing back Walsh on the bench at least. His form has been patchy at best over the last couple of seasons,and he could not complaint about being dropped, but, on a good day, he can take a couple of scores and set up a few more. He is also decent with frees, and would have a lot of prove, so we would have little to lose by a recall.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: leftbacksubbench on July 14, 2008, 01:50:28 PM
Paul McCumiskeys injury will come as a sorry blow to the already struggling Dundrum. What are they going to do with out their star player, they have already started to make some changes that forward line from the last couple of match reports that i have seen, but can they really survive without a player with as much influence as McCumiskey?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 14, 2008, 02:45:18 PM
Check out this footage of Mayobridge vs what looks like Kilcoo from the 1950's.  The game is played in the field where Lisbane terrace not stands.  Its football but not as we know it!

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=kP_80hZOWL8 (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=kP_80hZOWL8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 14, 2008, 09:57:54 PM
Teconnaught had a big win over St Johns in the 1st Quarter Final of the Ballykinlar GFC Connolly Cup tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 14, 2008, 10:10:34 PM
DownFanatic, any more word on McComiskey ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 14, 2008, 10:44:44 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 14, 2008, 09:57:54 PM
St Johns had a big win over Teconnaught in the 1st Quarter Final of the Ballykinlar GFC Connolly Cup tonight.

DF, who are the other teams in it this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 14, 2008, 10:53:34 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 14, 2008, 10:44:44 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 14, 2008, 09:57:54 PM
St Johns had a big win over Teconnaught in the 1st Quarter Final of the Ballykinlar GFC Connolly Cup tonight.

DF, who are the other teams in it this year?

Finn Bright Tuesday
Ballykinlar St Pats Lisburn??? wednesday
Ardglass Drumaness Thursday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 15, 2008, 10:10:41 AM
Gall's turn to McCartan GAA Sidelines
By Staff Reporter
15/07/08

FORMER Down All-Ireland winner James

McCartan could be appointed as the new senior football manager of St Gall's later this week. It is understood the Burren clubman has held talks with the Antrim champions and is likely to

succeed Paul Duffin, who stepped down last week for personal reasons.

McCartan had a successful managerial spell with his home club Burren and guided Queen's to the Sigerson Cup a couple of seasons ago.

Paul has a chance

DOWN'S attacking ace Paul McComiskey may yet play some part in this weekend's All-Ireland

Qualifier against Offaly at Tullamore, despite reports of a back injury.

The Dundrum clubman went for an MRI scan last Thursday, but played around 30 minutes for Down against Monaghan in a challenge game the following evening. Physios are closely monitoring McComiskey's injury, but the 20-year-old could still play a role against the Faithful county.

Meanwhile, Martin Cole returns from suspension after serving a one-month ban that saw him miss two Ulster Championship games.

Benny hits top form
BENNY Coulter appears to have hit a rich vein of form ahead of Down's make-or-break All-Ireland Qualifier with Offaly. The Mayobridge attacker grabbed three goals during the Mournemen's challenge game with Monaghan last weekend, which finished in a draw (3-11 to 0-17).

Coulter was well-shackled by Armagh's Ciaran McKeever during their Ulster SFC semi-final clash a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on July 15, 2008, 10:42:03 AM

Goldenyears, which paper are those extracts from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on July 15, 2008, 10:58:44 AM
They look like inside page of todays Irish News
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 15, 2008, 11:27:28 AM
I suppose James would have the know how with managing McGourty anyway from when he stripped the captaincy off him at queens!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on July 15, 2008, 11:29:52 AM

something troubles me about this whole McComiskey story. Perhaps posters who know the workings of the county board better than me can explain  ???

The story "broke" in the Sunday Tribune in an article by the journalist Terry McLaughlin
http://www.tribune.ie/sport/gaelic-football/article/2008/jul/13/severe-injury-for-down-star/ (http://www.tribune.ie/sport/gaelic-football/article/2008/jul/13/severe-injury-for-down-star/)

After that I would have expected the Down County PRO to either confirm or deny the story. But instead, we get the some story posted verbatim on the Down website (which is maintained by the County PRO) http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/general/news/2008/july/july13th4.htm (http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/general/news/2008/july/july13th4.htm)

Now, another newspaper (presumably Irish News) has a conflicting report. It brings up a number of questions...
Which story is correct?
Are the CB endorsing the original version by the tribune since they have posted in on their website?
If so, why was he playing in the challenge game?
Did they supply the paper with the information in the first instance?
What sources are the Irish News using for their story?


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on July 15, 2008, 12:25:57 PM
Western Exile, the Down website has been copying articles from other sources for years. I would say 90% of the info on it comes from one website or other, be that BBC, UTV or Irish News. Its a lazy attitude to running the website, an attitude that is seen all to often with the county board. Now that they have internet acces maybe someone could buy them a diary and sort out the club fixtures  ;) you`d think Ulstermen would know when the July holidays began.  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 15, 2008, 12:30:48 PM
Running a club website is a time consuming job Down Gael, can you imagine what its like to run a county website?  I'd suggest not knocking it until you've tried it. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on July 15, 2008, 12:47:09 PM
You are correct Aidan, and all credit to all those who do that great work. But that is a side issue.  The origianal point I was making was that the PRO would  have known about McCommiskeys injury as he would have been involved in the need to keep it quiet for so long.  So when the news broke, it was either with the CB blessing, or they endorsed it immediately afterwards. That is what makes this other version of it, in another paper, so strange.  Am I wrong to assume that the CB PRO knows what is going on with the county team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on July 15, 2008, 12:51:17 PM
amallon, its as time consuming as you make it. I run a company website and a motoring forum not dissimilar to this one, though I have plenty of help on the motoring forum. I think that is the problem, the man running the Down website has probably too many jobs to do and the website isnt at the top of his list. Maybe funding should be provided seperately for this job. With the proper structures in place the job of running the Down website should be a doddle. For many people www.downgaa.net is the first port of call for info on all things related to Down GAA and its a bit of a let down. Its rarely updated, patchy when it is updated and is in need of a revamp.
Someone is doing a good job on the Mayobridge site, maybe they could lend a hand  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on July 15, 2008, 02:29:01 PM
All-County Fixtures after holidays.

Friday July 25th: Series 14

Tuesday July 29th: Series 13

Friday August 1st: Series 15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 15, 2008, 03:18:30 PM
Down Gael - I've heard on the grapevine that there are major improvements in the county website in the offing.  AFAIK there will be an automated results system which will be fed by referee's via text message and the county website will automatically update itself.   Anyone who is involved in delivering computer systems like this should know how time consuming it is, I'd bet there are a number of people putting in serious hours on this so I'd ask that they be cut some slack while this work is in progress.  I'm sure they have spent a fair amount of money on this new functionality but I'd be against going overboard on the spending on the website.  Would you rather they spent the money on games development or on the website?  Don't get me wrong the website is important but not near as important as putting money into underage development.   In fairness there aren't many county sites which carry as much info as the Down site and also they allow people to send in reports photos etc which do get put up. 

Western Gael - Why should the PRO know whats going on with McComiskey?  It's an internal team matter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on July 15, 2008, 03:42:30 PM
carryduff website is one of the best ive seen, has all the fixtures/results/tables etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on July 15, 2008, 03:48:51 PM
Quote from: amallon on July 15, 2008, 03:18:30 PM

Western Gael - Why should the PRO know whats going on with McComiskey?  It's an internal team matter.


Because his role is a conduit to the press for the team.  All year he has been quoted in the papers with the news that the team had released.  e.g. Liam Doyle's injury.   I am only asking, which version of the story is the official one as far as the County  (board/PRO/team) is concerned?


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 15, 2008, 03:54:30 PM
Maybe the team management didn't want it in the open??  We have a big game against Offaly at the weekend, its certainly a boost to them.  I'd have no problem if they tried to keep it under wraps for a while.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on July 15, 2008, 06:34:30 PM
this messageboard gets mighty dull when theres a break in fixtures.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 15, 2008, 07:39:21 PM
Quote from: amallon on July 15, 2008, 12:30:48 PM
Running a club website is a time consuming job Down Gael, can you imagine what its like to run a county website?  I'd suggest not knocking it until you've tried it. 

Does anyone know the job description of our new county secretary, for 40K + per annum surely he could update the website..... ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 16, 2008, 07:32:56 AM
Bright tanked Aughlisnafin 4-11 to 1-04 in the 2nd Quarter Final of the Connolly Cup last night.
Title: Re: Division 3 promotion and relegation
Post by: stpauls on July 16, 2008, 11:26:12 AM
Quote from: off the laces on July 09, 2008, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: stpauls on July 08, 2008, 09:29:00 AM
Quote from: passedit on June 19, 2008, 04:50:06 PM
Now that the leagues are half way through could someone enlighten me as to the mechanism for promotion and relegation from division three. I've been told that there will be no playoffs with the bottom three going down and the top two up. surely this would be grossly unfair to drumgath especially, or is this the CO board's way of sticking two fingers up at them for last years debacle?

just to answer this passedit, here is what the county board has to say on the matter:

(b)   Relegation from Divisions 1, 2 and 3 will be determined on a round   robin basis involving the bottom four teams in each of these Divisions following completion of the ordinary round of leagues.  Two teams will be relegated each year.  An exception will apply in 2008 when three teams will be relegated from Division 3.

(c)       Promotion from Divisions 2 and 3 will be determined on a round robin basis involving the top four teams in each of these Divisions following completion of the ordinary round of leagues. Two teams will be promoted each year.  There shall be no play-offs to determine promotion from Division 4, with the top two teams after the ordinary round of league games being deemed winners and runners-up respectively.  Both these teams will be promoted.
St pauls is this the last word on this issue by the county board, it is definetly not going to be 5 playoff with 3 going down, as 3 out off 4 is pretty tough going and could run on for a couple off rounds.

sorry OTL, been off the radar for the last week or so. with the CB, you never know but this was what it said in the official document send to the club from them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 16, 2008, 01:44:27 PM
Maybe these stories have been put out so that AFL sides become less interested?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 16, 2008, 02:08:02 PM
Southdown you're a smart cookie indeed ;)!!! Feck off back to Australia and stop tempting our good players away...although I don't blame any young fella going when/if the opportunity arises!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on July 16, 2008, 02:55:42 PM
Are club fixtures off because of the qualifiers?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 16, 2008, 03:59:56 PM
Has anyone details of the Minor Football Championship Q/F draw. I heard that Bredagh got An Riocht.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 16, 2008, 04:43:50 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 16, 2008, 03:59:56 PM
Has anyone details of the Minor Football Championship Q/F draw. I heard that Bredagh got An Riocht.

Kilcoo mayobridge
Bryansford shamrocks
bosco clonduff??????
Not 100% sure of last one but the other two are definite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 16, 2008, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 16, 2008, 03:59:56 PM
Has anyone details of the Minor Football Championship Q/F draw. I heard that Bredagh got An Riocht.

A
> Seomrogai an Iuir
> v
> Ath Bhriain
>
> B
> Noamh Eoin Bosco
> v
> Cluain Diamh
>
> C
> Bredach
> v
> An Riocht
>
> D
> Cill Chua
> v
> Droichead Mhaigh Eo
>
>
>
>
> 'B' Championship Quarter-Finals Wednesday 2nd July at 7-30pm
>
> A
> An Ghleann
> v
> Loch an Oilean
>
> B
> An Cloch Fhada
> v
> Clan na Banna/Caislean an Mhuillin
>
> C
> Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh
> v
> Noamh Colmans
>
> D
> Noamh Mhuire
> v
> Eanach Cluana
>
>
> Is mise
> Sean Mac Caisin Oifigeach Oige An Duin
>
>


they did indeed Lecale, think the date for the B championship may be incorrect
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 16, 2008, 07:46:56 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on July 15, 2008, 02:29:01 PM
All-County Fixtures after holidays.

Friday July 25th: Series 14

Tuesday July 29th: Series 13

Friday August 1st: Series 15

I take it that for Div three its

Round 18

Round 17 

Round 19
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 16, 2008, 10:13:32 PM
Ballykinlar beat St Patrick's, Lisburn, 0-13 to 0-02 in the 3rd Quarter Final of the Connolly Cup tonight.

Those fixture series' posted by BittaBanter arent accurate as far as I know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 16, 2008, 10:41:17 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 16, 2008, 10:13:32 PM
Ballykinlar beat St Patrick's, Lisburn, 0-13 to 0-02 in the 3rd Quarter Final of the Connolly Cup tonight.

Those fixture series' posted by BittaBanter arent accurate as far as I know.

dont think so either DF, think div three is 27th,, 1st, 4th and the 8th.

should be a good game tomorrow night between Drumaness and Ardglass
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 16, 2008, 10:47:55 PM
Square Ball, the dates you have there are the ones I have. All we need now is for the CCC to decide what series takes place on what date.

Ardglass and Drumaness should be good tomorrow night. Ardglass are going for their 5th Cup in a row.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 16, 2008, 10:52:32 PM
Sun July  27th  ACFL Div 1 2 & 4 Series 15, ACFL Div 3 Series 19

Mon 28th July  ACPRFL Series 14

Fri Aug 1st  ACFL Div 1 2 & 4 Series 16, ACFL Div 3 Series 20

Sun Aug 3rd  PRFC & RFC

Mon Aug 4th  ACFL Div 1 2 & 4 Series 13, ACFL Div 3 Series 17

Fri Aug 8th  ACFL Div 1 2 & 4 Series 14, ACFL Div 3 Series 18

NB The above games may be STARRED
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 16, 2008, 10:52:57 PM
Sun July  27th  ACFL Div 1 2 & 4 Series 15
                     ACFL Div 3 Series 19

Mon 28th July  ACPRFL Series 14

Fri Aug 1st  ACFL Div 1 2 & 4 Series 16
                 ACFL Div 3 Series 20

Sun Aug 3rd  PRFC & RFC

Mon Aug 4th  ACFL Div 1 2 & 4 Series 13
                    ACFL Div 3 Series 17 -

Fri Aug 8th  ACFL Div 1 2 & 4 Series 14
                 ACFL Div 3 Series 18

Sean O Ruanaidh

think we all got the same e-mail
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on July 17, 2008, 01:32:57 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 16, 2008, 10:47:55 PM
Square Ball, the dates you have there are the ones I have. All we need now is for the CCC to decide what series takes place on what date.

Ardglass and Drumaness should be good tomorrow night. Ardglass are going for their 5th Cup in a row.


I think there will only be 1 between the teams at the end, ardglass 2 sent off v drumaness 1!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 17, 2008, 10:21:57 PM
Down manager Ross Carr has named three changes to the side that will faces Offaly in the first round of the All Ireland Qualifiers this Saturday from the side that took the field against Armagh in the Ulster Championship semi final.

Martin Cole returns to the side after serving a one month suspension and is joined in the defence by Burren man Kevin McKernan who will be making his first championship start, while Clonduff man John Fegan has been names in the full forward line.

Daniel McCartan, Ronan Sexton and the injured Liam Doyle all make way.

Full Down team:

1. Brendan McVeigh (An Ríocht),
2. Luke Howard (Ath Bhriain),
3. Martin Cole (Caisleán Ruairi),
4. Damien Rafferty (Seamrogai An Iuir),
5. Aidan Carr (Cluain Daimh),
6. Kevin McKernan (Boireann),
7. Paul Murphy (Baile Cholmain),
8. Dan Gordon (Captain) (Loch An Oilean),
9. James Colgan (An Ríocht),
10. Ambrose Rodgers (An Cloch Fhada),
11. Brendan Coulter (Droichead Mhaigh Eo),
12. Danny Hughes (Sabhall),
13. John Clarke (An Ríocht),
14. Ronan Murtagh (Baile Cholmain),
15. John Fegan (Cluain Daimh)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 17, 2008, 10:43:33 PM
Ardglass beat Drumaness 2-11 to 1-02 in the final Quarter Final of the Connolly Cup tonight in Ballykinlar.

Connolly Cup Semi Final Draw
Teconnaught v Bright
Ballykinlar v Ardglass

Damien McCashin Shield Semi Final Draw
Teconnaught v Bright
St Josephs v Ardglass
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 18, 2008, 11:58:34 AM
Happy enough with that team, will be interesting to see how McKernan does CHB though he seems a classy enough footballer on the ball, just don't know how he will do defensively.

Hopefully Benny can get up the field to hit some scores, he was playing way too deep against armagh and when he gave the ball up there was noone to take a score.

Fegan to take some free taking pressure off carr i see, what about the left sided ones though?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on July 18, 2008, 12:05:31 PM
Happy enough with that team, I can see it being Benny and Murtagh in 2man full forward line, with Murtagh possible switching with Hughes at times. Good move to bring back Fegan he deserves a 2nd chance after a poor performance against Tyrone. Great free taker, I would expect he will hit the left footed frees too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 18, 2008, 01:07:22 PM
Quote from: the milkman on July 18, 2008, 12:05:31 PM
Happy enough with that team, I can see it being Benny and Murtagh in 2man full forward line, with Murtagh possible switching with Hughes at times. Good move to bring back Fegan he deserves a 2nd chance after a poor performance against Tyrone. Great free taker, I would expect he will hit the left footed frees too.


Yeah Fegan did enough during the mckenna cup and league to get a second showing.

Now our go to guy from the bench is out who can we expect to bring on earrly if things aren;t going to plan?? Sexton the obvious choice, McGovern also?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 18, 2008, 02:04:52 PM
i thought Rooney would have been started at centre back, wouldnt be surprised to see him line out and a few other changes to that team, definitely positional changes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on July 18, 2008, 05:16:40 PM
Fully agree Brick Tamlin.

I will be surprised if that is the team that lines out tomorrow.  Regarding the McComiskey situation, i would say be ready for a surprise tomorrow.  A number of positional and personnel changes from that listed will be on show when the team lines out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 18, 2008, 05:56:19 PM
Is Rooney fully recovered and ready for county action??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on July 19, 2008, 09:24:18 PM
Offaly 2-10 - 5-19 Down ...Easy enough by the result..We were well up at half time 0-4 to 3-12..

Any Reports?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 20, 2008, 01:09:25 PM
McComiskey is out of action for the forseeable future. He'll not play again this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on July 20, 2008, 01:17:31 PM
The Down subs warmed up at half time yesterday, in a small part of the field that wasnt over run by kids. During the sprints McComiskey was comfortably quicker than anyone else. You could see that he was holding back, but he was easily quickest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 20, 2008, 02:08:07 PM
I don't think they should be pushing him or pressuring hmi at all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on July 20, 2008, 02:14:44 PM
He didnt seem under pressure, he looked very comfortable and it was only a couple of short sprints. Thankfully he wasnt needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 20, 2008, 02:26:08 PM
Aye good job he wasn't needed!! I just think that maybe they should let him rehabilitate. What is the seriousness of this injury, have heard very conflicting reports about it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on July 20, 2008, 07:10:57 PM
Very impressed with 1st half yesterday, with 2nd being a non contest really! Offaly were awful though.

Luke Howard, big dan, hughes and Benny were prob. the best on show!

Laois next tough but def. not impossible
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on July 21, 2008, 10:27:56 AM
Great result on Saturday evening.
Down absolutely tore them to shreds in the first half.  Offaly were very naive though.  They basically left Coulter one on one in the first half and he will destroy anybody in that situation, especially with good first time ball coming into him.
Defensively we are still a bit suspect, although in fairness the 2 goals against us came after Ross had made 3 changes in the defence.

Against Laois, i think they will suit us.  They do not play the defensive blanket like Fermanagh/Armagh, and it will give our forwards more room to play.  It should be a high scoring encounter and i would hope we could come through by a couple of scores.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on July 21, 2008, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: Down Gael on July 20, 2008, 02:14:44 PM
He didnt seem under pressure, he looked very comfortable and it was only a couple of short sprints. Thankfully he wasnt needed.
dont think he was striped out was in the stand with doyle and the rest off the injured players must have been sexton you seen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on July 21, 2008, 01:22:27 PM
I was pretty sure it was McComiskey and so were a few people beside us, but it could well have been Sexton, both similar size and frm a distance could look alike, but McComiske has a rather distinctive run and it did appear to be him  ???
Maybe I am getting old and need specs  :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 21, 2008, 01:33:35 PM
specsavers indeed...it wasnt mc comiskey, he was in tracksuit and trainers, it was sexton for definite ye saw.

on the game itself, well it was good to get a win and good for our forwards to finally get the finger out albeit agaisnt crap opposition, but i dont think ye can take anything from that win at all really, would have preferred a tougher game and somehting to fight for. Worrying apsect was the concession of 2-10, and dont believe there is any excuse for conceding that much in a game that ye own from start to finish. Our defence was comical in last 15 mins. Maybe im harsh but frick it, id rather forget about saturday night and look forward with trepidation to this saturday. Last time we went down there we were brutal and played off the park in the 2nd half.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on July 21, 2008, 02:09:33 PM
I'm new to the gaaboard but have always been a silent observer of the discussions taking place so i decided it was time to shite or get of the pot so i've just registered (so bare with me for any mistakes)
It was a strong performance by Down and although Offaly are weaker opposition i had heard quiet rumours by down fans who expected an Offaly win. It is a bit worrying that they still conceeded 2.10 but in a game like that its very easy to switch off and just coast out the remainder of the game. Boys like Howard and Murney are good defenders if not maybe just lacking experience.
As regards Laois, put simply i think the winner of the match will be who dominates at midfield be it fielding the ball or picking up the breaks!! Dan and ambrose have been strong this year but Laois have a big midfield also!! as someone said...it'll be difficult but its not impossible
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on July 21, 2008, 05:57:21 PM
Yea McComiskey definitely in stand! Any word on Ambrose?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 21, 2008, 08:04:45 PM
Sunday 27th July 5 00pm
ACPRL Div 1
Downpatrick v Clonduff
Bryansford v Liatroim
Castlewellan v Burren
Mayobridge v Kilcoo
Rostrevor v An Riocht
ACPRL Div 2
Annaclone v Loughinisland
Kilclief v Ballymartin
Longstone v Carryduff(1 00pm)
Warrenpoint v Tullylish
Saval v Bredagh
ACFL Div 1 5 00pm
Longstone v Mayobridge(C Reynolds)
Monday 28th July 7 30
ACFL Div 1
Liatroim v Ballyholland(J Killen)
Loughinisland v Castlewellan(C Brannigan)
Kilcoo v Rostrevor(G Corrigan)
Saval v Burren(S Lowey)
Clonduff v An Riocht(B Rice)
ACFL Div 2
Annaclone v Ballymartin(M Rawlinson)
Shamrocks v Kilclief(L Smyth)
Attical v Downpatrick(P Brannigan)
Warrenpoint v Tullylish(L Morgan)
Clann na Banna v Dundrum(S Flynn)
Daragh Cross v Bryansford(M Curren)
ACFL Div 3
Tecconnaught v Bosco(D Laverty)
St Pauls v Carryduff(P Brownlee)
Drumaness v Glasdrumman(O Burke)
Drumgath v Ardglass(C Broderick)
Mitchels v Glenn(B Andrews)
St Micheals v Bredagh(E O Hare)
ACFL Div 4
Aghaderg v Bright(P D Doyle)
Ballykinlar v St Johns(G Tumelty)
Aughlisnafinn v Dromara(M Lynch)
Tues 29th July 7 30
ACHL Div 1
Liatroim v Ballycran
Ballela v Ballygalget
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Bredagh v Portaferry
ACHL Div 2
Clonduf v Ballygalget
Portaferry v Ballyvarley
Castlewellan v Ballycran

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on July 21, 2008, 10:04:45 PM
Anyone know how the aghaderg v dromara div 4 game went which was to be played on sun 20th??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 22, 2008, 09:57:29 AM
why are these games on monday night? whats wrong with sunday evening??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on July 22, 2008, 10:04:16 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on July 22, 2008, 09:57:29 AM
why are these games on monday night? whats wrong with sunday evening??
the county suits are prob staying in laios for the night :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on July 22, 2008, 11:11:16 AM
Quote from: off the laces on July 22, 2008, 10:04:16 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on July 22, 2008, 09:57:29 AM
why are these games on monday night? whats wrong with sunday evening??
the county suits are prob staying in laios for the night :D
And what would that have to do with fixtures? I would imagine it is more to do with giving the players a rest if they happen to get beaten on Sat.Easy option to knock Co Board for no reason
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on July 22, 2008, 11:28:36 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on July 21, 2008, 10:04:45 PM
Anyone know how the aghaderg v dromara div 4 game went which was to be played on sun 20th??

It was called off. I don't know the reason.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 22, 2008, 11:50:59 AM
Have Longstone a festival on Sunday the 27th or something?  I heard the Stone asked to switch the two league games against the Bridge because they are expecting a massive gate if the Bridge game conincided with the festival. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on July 22, 2008, 11:53:21 AM
Quote from: upthehoops on July 22, 2008, 11:11:16 AM
Quote from: off the laces on July 22, 2008, 10:04:16 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on July 22, 2008, 09:57:29 AM
why are these games on monday night? whats wrong with sunday evening??
the county suits are prob staying in laios for the night :D
And what would that have to do with fixtures? I would imagine it is more to do with giving the players a rest if they happen to get beaten on Sat.Easy option to knock Co Board for no reason
Note the happy face, i think it is quite obvious it is to allow the players a break after playing on sat night, after all we want all players to be fit to play for their club teams.
so do one up the hoops
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 22, 2008, 01:26:53 PM
Yes, Feile 50 is on this week in the stone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on July 22, 2008, 01:33:42 PM
Any word on Ambrose ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on July 22, 2008, 03:00:52 PM
Quote from: off the laces on July 22, 2008, 11:53:21 AM
Quote from: upthehoops on July 22, 2008, 11:11:16 AM
Quote from: off the laces on July 22, 2008, 10:04:16 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on July 22, 2008, 09:57:29 AM
why are these games on monday night? whats wrong with sunday evening??
the county suits are prob staying in laios for the night :D
And what would that have to do with fixtures? I would imagine it is more to do with giving the players a rest if they happen to get beaten on Sat.Easy option to knock Co Board for no reason
Note the happy face, i think it is quite obvious it is to allow the players a break after playing on sat night, after all we want all players to be fit to play for their club teams.
so do one up the hoops
Smiley face my arse. Just aniother one of these guys who cannot help cheap digs at Co Board at evrey turn. No pleasing some people. Almost sound like an Ards Man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 22, 2008, 03:30:07 PM
Quote from: off the laces on July 22, 2008, 10:04:16 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on July 22, 2008, 09:57:29 AM
why are these games on monday night? whats wrong with sunday evening??
the county suits are prob staying in laios for the night :D

I would imagine they are all changed to monday due to the ulster final replay...sometimes they can never win, if the games had of went ahead people would be yappin 'county board stupid puttin on ACFL matches when everyone wants to watch the ulster final!

Longstone match still at 5 on sunday as it's the 50th anniversary of the current pitch.  Dedication at 3 followed by the match at 5 and music in the club after the match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 22, 2008, 03:42:50 PM
Sounds like it could be quite a night, knowning the Stone there will be a massive crowd at it.  I hope they get the weather but the Bridge get the result.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 22, 2008, 04:17:15 PM
We're bound to owe yous one....and the day that it is maybe a big performance will come! It's certainly due as even when on a roll of 6games in a row towards the end of the 1st half of league we weren't performing well.  Although I think a second crack at the championship is bound to be a priority with it only 3weeks away...will be tough without mark poland and michael higgins though!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 22, 2008, 04:18:57 PM
Quote from: downredblack on July 22, 2008, 01:33:42 PM
Any word on Ambrose ?

Haven't seen him but supposedly his nose is touching the side of his face and looks pretty bad, nothing can be done until next week, so I suppose it depends on the amount of pain he's in come saturday whether or not he'll be able to play but he isn't training
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on July 22, 2008, 10:23:25 PM
any thoughts about whose favourites for both the hurling and football championships at junior, intermediate and senior?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 23, 2008, 01:51:08 PM
Quote from: st pauls mcgrath on July 22, 2008, 10:23:25 PM
any thoughts about whose favourites for both the hurling and football championships at junior, intermediate and senior?

anyone got the draws for the championship games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on July 23, 2008, 03:16:44 PM
Quote from: upthehoops on July 22, 2008, 03:00:52 PM
Quote from: off the laces on July 22, 2008, 11:53:21 AM
Quote from: upthehoops on July 22, 2008, 11:11:16 AM
Quote from: off the laces on July 22, 2008, 10:04:16 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on July 22, 2008, 09:57:29 AM
why are these games on monday night? whats wrong with sunday evening??
the county suits are prob staying in laios for the night :D
And what would that have to do with fixtures? I would imagine it is more to do with giving the players a rest if they happen to get beaten on Sat.Easy option to knock Co Board for no reason
Note the happy face, i think it is quite obvious it is to allow the players a break after playing on sat night, after all we want all players to be fit to play for their club teams.
so do one up the hoops
Smiley face my arse. Just aniother one of these guys who cannot help cheap digs at Co Board at evrey turn. No pleasing some people. Almost sound like an Ards Man
do you think all men from the ards do not like the co board, i mean just because they make them drive across the county to play a game that half off south down do not understand is no grounds to tar all with the same brush ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on July 23, 2008, 03:31:36 PM
Quote from: st pauls mcgrath on July 22, 2008, 10:23:25 PM
any thoughts about whose favourites for both the hurling and football championships at junior, intermediate and senior?

When does the Championship Arrangements Committee meet?

Mayobridge for the senior football again.  I just can't see past them.
Shamrock's for the IFC.

Portaferry for the senior hurling and Liatroim for the intermidate.

Glenn for the JFC and Ballela for the JHC - I tipped them last year but they let me down.


POWERADE
DOWN SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
Roinn 1
1 Ath Bhriain V Caislean an Mhuillin
2 Baile Ui Mhairtin V Dun Padraig
3 Baile Cholmain V Sabhaill
4 Cluain Daimh V Droichead Mhaigh Eo
5 Boireann V Ait ti Chathaill
6 Cloch Fhada V Liatroim
7 Loch an Oileain V Caislean Ruairi
8 Cill Chua v An Riocht

AROUND-A-POUND
DOWN INTERMEDIATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
Roinn 1
1 Cumann Naomh Eoin V Glasdromainn
2 Droim Gath V Ceathru Aodha Dhuibh
3 Eanach Cluana V Tulach Lis
4 Clann na Banna V Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
5 Cros Darach V Ard Ghlais
6 Dun Droma V Breadach
7 Ti Chonnachta V Cill Cleithe
8 Seamrogai an Iuir v Naomh Padraig


JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
(a) Achadh Droim Bearach V Breachtain
(b) Lios na Finne V Naomh Eoin
(c) Gleann V Naomh Michil

Roinn 1
1 Achadh Dearg V Winners (c)
2 Naomh Pol V Misteiligh an Iuir
3 Baile Choinnleora V Winners (a)
4 Winners (b) V Droim an Easa


PREMIER RESERVE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

(a) Tulach Lis v Cill Cleithe
(b) Cill Chua v Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
(c) Caislean Ruairi v Ath Bhriain
(d) Eanach Cluana v Cluain Daimh

Roinn 1
1 Ceathtu Aodha Dhuibh V Winner (d)
2 Droichead Mhaigh Eo V Liatroim
3 Baile Ui Mhairtin v Dun Padraig
4 Breadach v Caislean an Mhuillin
5 Winner (a) v Boireann
6 Loch an Oileain v Winner (b)
7 Winner (c) v An Riocht
8 Sabhaill v Cloch Fhada

RESERVE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
(a) Carryduff v Droim an Easa
(b) Teconnacht v Seamrogai an Iuir
(c) Ait Tí Chathail v Dromara
(d) Darragh Cross Naomh Pol
(e) Dundrum v Glasdromainn
(f) Naomh Eoin v Naomh Michil
(g) Caislean An Mhuilinn v Droim Gath
(h) Ath Bhriain v An Riocht
(i) Cluain Daimh v Baile Cholmain
(J) Naomh Phadraig V Caislean Ruairi
(k) Ard Ghlais v Droichead Mhaigh Eo
(l) Liatroim Clann na Banna
(m) Cill Chua Breadach

1 Winners F V Winners M
2 Misteiligh An Iuir V Winners K
3 Winners L v Winners J
4 Winners A v Winners I
5 Winners C V Winners B
6 Winners H V Boireann
7 Naomh Eoin V Winners G
8 Winners E v Winners D


DOWN DEMOCRAT
JUNIOR HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP

1 Baile an Mheirligh V 3. Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
2 Baile Mhic Uileagoid III V Baile Aileach
3 Breadach III V Cluain Daimh
4 Port an Phéire 111 V Caislean an Mhuillin

DOWN DEMOCRAT
INTERMEDIATE HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP

(A) 5. Breadach V 1. Port An Phéire II
(B) 4. Seamrogai an Iuir V 2. Baile Mhic Uileagoid II
Roinn 1
(1) 6. Cill Cleithe V 3. Liatrom
(2) Winner (B) V Winner (A)


DOWN DEMOCRAT
SENIOR HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP
Roinn 1
(1) Port An Phéire V Baile Crann
(2) Baile Mhic Uileagoid V Clann na Boirce / Gael na Uibh Eochaidh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 23, 2008, 03:54:12 PM
My predictions for what they are worth.

SFC: Mayobridge
IFC: Clan na banna
JFC: Mitchells
PRFC: Mayobridge
RFC: Burren (I don't play anymore  ;D)
SHC: Portaferry
IHC: Bredagh
JHC: Portaferry III's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 23, 2008, 04:37:53 PM
Quote from: upthehoops on July 22, 2008, 03:00:52 PM
Quote from: off the laces on July 22, 2008, 11:53:21 AM
Quote from: upthehoops on July 22, 2008, 11:11:16 AM
Quote from: off the laces on July 22, 2008, 10:04:16 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on July 22, 2008, 09:57:29 AM
why are these games on monday night? whats wrong with sunday evening??
the county suits are prob staying in laios for the night :D
And what would that have to do with fixtures? I would imagine it is more to do with giving the players a rest if they happen to get beaten on Sat.Easy option to knock Co Board for no reason
Note the happy face, i think it is quite obvious it is to allow the players a break after playing on sat night, after all we want all players to be fit to play for their club teams.
so do one up the hoops
Smiley face my arse. Just aniother one of these guys who cannot help cheap digs at Co Board at evrey turn. No pleasing some people. Almost sound like an Ards Man

Gwan and f**k yerself hoops.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on July 23, 2008, 07:06:23 PM
just tried that but just short on reach
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 23, 2008, 07:30:18 PM
Connolly Cup Semi Final Results

Ballykinlar 1-11  Ardglass 4-14
Teconnaught 2-11  Bright 0-09

Final is on Friday night.


As for the fortcoming Championships, you cant look by Mayobridge for the SFC. Shamrocks, Warrenpoint, Banbridge and Annaclone will all have designs on the IFC while St Michaels, Drumaness and St Pauls will fancy their chances in the JFC.

Id go for SFC: Mayobridge - IFC: Warrenpoint - JFC: St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fred the red on July 23, 2008, 10:52:28 PM
St Michaels for the Junior Championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 24, 2008, 08:31:55 AM
Is St Michaels in geographically Down or Armagh? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on July 24, 2008, 08:47:28 AM
I will go for SFC: Mayobridge - IFC: Clann Na Banna - JFC: St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 24, 2008, 11:32:45 AM
Quote from: southdown on July 24, 2008, 08:31:55 AM
Is St Michaels in geographically Down or Armagh? 

But sure isnt our county ground in armagh, why not have some of our clubs there too ;)

In answer to your question though I haven't a clue....buy a map!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 24, 2008, 11:35:24 AM
was looking at this yesterday trying to get directions to it, from the down site

The St.Michael's Club is located in the north-west of the county and is situated a couple of miles outside of Lurgan, Co.Armagh. As well as bordering Armagh, this part of Down also borders Co.Antrim and the St. Mary's Aghagallon club is only a few miles away.

The club is situated in the Parish of Magheralin, which covers a wide area and touches three counties (Down, Armagh and Antrim). Included in the Parish is the village of Magheralin, the townland of Kilwarlin and the town of Moira.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 24, 2008, 12:09:04 PM
Fair play to you squareball good reply much better than mine of buy a map! Sorry southdown was only messin!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smiler An Dun on July 24, 2008, 12:15:17 PM
try http://www.stmichaelsgac.com/location.htm

for maps and directions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 24, 2008, 01:38:17 PM
St Michaels is mainly Magheralin, which is 100% in Down. Moira is also in down, as is kilwarin which the club would attract from.

the club house and pitch are in down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 24, 2008, 01:38:53 PM
D4S, are you heading to Laois? 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 24, 2008, 02:28:03 PM
Club fixtures may be in for a serious hit in lieu of the county team.
3rd round of qualifiers are due on sat 2nd aug with all ireland quarter finals the following weekend.
I also feel Down can beat Laois and if Coulter & co get a bit of swagger about them, this summer could extend a bit further than expected.
Nothing beats confidence at the end of the day and our boys have nothing to lose.

Retro GAA Feature on "The Road To Croker"

Tonight @ 8pm on RTE2

The Road To Croker

Master Marksmen

  V   
Down  V  Donegal


The Classics Are Back!

Featuring the Retro GAA Down 1968 & Donegal 1992 Jerseys
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on July 24, 2008, 05:12:47 PM
Quote from: southdown on July 24, 2008, 08:31:55 AM
Is St Michaels in geographically Down or Armagh? 

100% in Down.

And St.Michael's for the JFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on July 24, 2008, 05:54:56 PM
The Down 1968 jersey ...........

Hard to believe its 40 years.
Is the county going to mark this anniversary?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on July 24, 2008, 06:09:30 PM
Quote from: Leo on July 24, 2008, 05:54:56 PM
The Down 1968 jersey ...........

Hard to believe its 40 years.
Is the county going to mark this anniversary?
Rumour has it that the anniversary will be marked appropriately on 3rd Sunday in September for the 6th time :P ;D :'(!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 24, 2008, 07:10:04 PM
Do youse think Ross will bate Manus ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on July 24, 2008, 08:40:39 PM
jesus im glad we dont have Ross in the forward line after that performance against manus
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 24, 2008, 10:22:47 PM
Sent from PRO tonight

Down team v Laois
1. Brendan McVeigh (An Ríocht),
2. Luke Howard (Ath Bhriain),
3. Martin Cole (Caisleán Ruairi),
4. Kevin mc guigan (Seamrogai An Iuir),
5. Aidan Carr (Cluain Daimh),
6. Colm murney (caislean ruairi)
7. Paul Murphy (Baile Cholmain),
8. Dan Gordon (Captain) (Loch An Oilean),
9. Ambrose Rodgers (An Cloch Fhada),
10. Kevin McKernan (Boireann),
11. Brendan Coulter (Droichead Mhaigh Eo),
12. Danny Hughes (Sabhall),
13. John Clarke (An Ríocht),
14. Ronan Murtagh (Baile Cholmain),
15. John Fegan (Cluain Daimh)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on July 25, 2008, 11:56:44 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 24, 2008, 10:22:47 PM
Sent from PRO tonight

Down team v Laois
1. Brendan McVeigh (An Ríocht),
2. Luke Howard (Ath Bhriain),
3. Martin Cole (Caisleán Ruairi),
4. Kevin mc guigan (Seamrogai An Iuir),
5. Aidan Carr (Cluain Daimh),
6. Colm murney (caislean ruairi)
7. Paul Murphy (Baile Cholmain),
8. Dan Gordon (Captain) (Loch An Oilean),
9. Ambrose Rodgers (An Cloch Fhada),
10. Kevin McKernan (Boireann),
11. Brendan Coulter (Droichead Mhaigh Eo),
12. Danny Hughes (Sabhall),
13. John Clarke (An Ríocht),
14. Ronan Murtagh (Baile Cholmain),
15. John Fegan (Cluain Daimh)




I would be shocked if Fegan starts, he didnt show up against Offaly at all. I would much rather see Kearney getting a run out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoof Hearted on July 25, 2008, 12:51:03 PM
just off the subject slightly lads. i will be in Newcastle Co.Down on Sunday week 3rd August, the day of the qualifiers 4th round, anyone reccommend the best GAA bar to catch whichever match is on ?
Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 25, 2008, 12:58:26 PM
I haven't been in it in years but I'd imagine Quinns is the place to go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on July 25, 2008, 01:00:18 PM
Strange seeing Murney at CHB, I would imagine it will not stay like this. Carr is the best replacement for Doyle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on July 25, 2008, 01:02:33 PM
i reckon he will go to full back line somewhere  and mc guigan will come out to the wing with carr moving to CHB.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 25, 2008, 01:35:55 PM
Quote from: southdown on July 24, 2008, 01:38:53 PM
D4S, are you heading to Laois? 



Ripping southdown can't get to the match because of work.  Ma+da and brother headin down, would love to take a sickie...but I was sick the day after the ulster semi and I think the boss knows it wasnt a dodgy burger in clones, savin that sickie for when we get drawn against Kerry next saturday evenin:)!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 25, 2008, 08:57:19 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on July 25, 2008, 12:51:03 PM
just off the subject slightly lads. i will be in Newcastle Co.Down on Sunday week 3rd August, the day of the qualifiers 4th round, anyone reccommend the best GAA bar to catch whichever match is on ?
Cheers

Donard Bar, Quinns or the Anchor - The Donard will probably be the best bet as the bar is spacious, Quinns is undergoing extensive renovations to upgrade 400 covers to 1000+ and isnt fully functional yet - The Anchor has up 6 Plasmas but the atmosphere is hit and miss. percy french will also have it but the prices are hastings hotel rates >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OnTheLine on July 25, 2008, 09:33:38 PM
Div 3 result from tonight - St Michael's 0.14 Bredagh 3.13 Good to have football back after the break for the twelfth...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on July 25, 2008, 09:57:38 PM
were glenn playin mitchells tonight?? on holidays and missing a few games¨:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 26, 2008, 11:21:28 AM
Ardglass won their 5th successive Connolly Cup with a 3 point win over Teconnaught last night while St Josephs (Ballykinlar/Dundrum) retained the Damien McCashin Shield (U-14 7-a-Side)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on July 26, 2008, 01:09:07 PM
Glenn play Mitchels on Monday general
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on July 27, 2008, 09:12:36 PM
Holy fcuk just heard wexford in next round, im telling you someone is looking down on us!! Wonder would that be at croker as part of double header with Kerry/Monaghan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mickey Linden on July 28, 2008, 09:46:49 AM
Just heard match likely to be in Parnell park on Sunday!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on July 28, 2008, 10:25:06 AM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on July 28, 2008, 09:46:49 AM
Just heard match likely to be in Parnell park on Sunday!

where you hear this??

'bridge beat lonstone yesterday in league by score of  1.16 -108.  cathal magee and ronan sexton were outstanding for the bridge.  man of the match wa minor ryan brady who won everything that came his way.  good performance from the 'bridge

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 28, 2008, 10:40:15 AM
Yes a good win for the Bridge last night.  The Stone had their Feile 50 celebrations with the pitch being re-dedicated.  There was a meal afterwards and fair dues to the Stone for inviting the Bridge players and management.  I had a nose round their facilities and they are a credit to the people of Longstone.  The people up there really do know how to support their club, even when they had a poor team the Stone people still followed their team in big numbers.  There was great craic in the bar afterwards while the draw was being done, the Bridge lads were made feel very welcome.  Well done Longstone a great club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on July 28, 2008, 10:44:38 AM
who plays tonight then in div1?

clonduff v kingdom
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 28, 2008, 11:19:14 AM
Quote from: amallon on July 28, 2008, 10:40:15 AM
Yes a good win for the Bridge last night.  The Stone had their Feile 50 celebrations with the pitch being re-dedicated.  There was a meal afterwards and fair dues to the Stone for inviting the Bridge players and management.  I had a nose round their facilities and they are a credit to the people of Longstone.  The people up there really do know how to support their club, even when they had a poor team the Stone people still followed their team in big numbers.  There was great craic in the bar afterwards while the draw was being done, the Bridge lads were made feel very welcome.  Well done Longstone a great club.


Did the County players play for both teams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 28, 2008, 11:40:15 AM
Ronan Sexton and Cathal Magee were released for us.  Ambrose and Benny weren't allowed to play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 28, 2008, 01:14:11 PM
Great see yous had a good night Amallon, always loads of craic at that bar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on July 28, 2008, 01:18:12 PM
great atmosphere when the draw was being done.  big cheer went up when down got wexford.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 28, 2008, 01:24:27 PM
could nt get to the stone game.. suppose to play RFL v Rostrevor, the ref never turned up, thats twice this season!!!!! Is this happening much in Down, this the ref was meant to be B Cousins!! its very frustrating!!! your whole day is put on hold for the game at 6 and then the ref does nt turn up >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mickey Linden on July 28, 2008, 01:46:00 PM
Down game 2 pm saturday in Croker!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on July 28, 2008, 02:09:17 PM
what is your source this time Mickey?
when can we expect official confirmation from Croke Park of all dates and venues for the qualifiers?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 28, 2008, 08:34:49 PM
Definitely 2pm saturday then, part of an ulster triple header.

Many heading down?

Trying to get a bus organised myself
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on July 28, 2008, 08:50:52 PM
St Pauls 1.6 Carryduff 1.9

Goal in last couple of minutes for Carryduff the difference according to my source.


Oh and Warrenpoint beat Tullylish by a point or two last night.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on July 28, 2008, 09:44:04 PM
Division 3 Result

Mitchels 1-7
Glenn 2-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on July 28, 2008, 09:47:02 PM
ACFL DIV3

DRUMGATH 2-12
ARDGLASS 1-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 28, 2008, 10:04:26 PM
Down ACFL Division 2
Banbridge 1-17  Dundrum 3-08

Great game. Played at a fast pace throughout. Banbridge were the dominant team in the 1st half while we played very well in the 2nd half. There has been some definite improvement in our performances the past few games.
Once again turnovers are killing us. Everytime that we give the ball away we concede a score. Banbridge are a very good team. They move the ball really well and at full forward they have a county standard player in Paddy Feeney.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 28, 2008, 10:05:59 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 28, 2008, 10:04:26 PM
Down ACFL Division 2
Banbridge 1-17  Dundrum 3-08

Great game. Played at a fast pace throughout. Banbridge were the dominant team in the 1st half while we played very well in the 2nd half. There has been some definite improvement in our performances the past few games.
Once again turnovers are killing us. Everytime that we give the ball away we concede a score. Banbridge are a very good team. They move the ball really well and at full forward they have a county standard player in Paddy Feeney.

Is Paddy playing full forward now? How longs he been playing there, he was a defender back in the day at the college.

Paddy was on the u21 panel as well few years back that reached the AI final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on July 28, 2008, 10:12:36 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 28, 2008, 01:24:27 PM
could nt get to the stone game.. suppose to play RFL v Rostrevor, the ref never turned up, thats twice this season!!!!! Is this happening much in Down, this the ref was meant to be B Cousins!! its very frustrating!!! your whole day is put on hold for the game at 6 and then the ref does nt turn up >:(

Aye, We travelled from Bangor to Laotriom a couple of weeks ago for a reserve match against the Fontenoys and the bloody Ref didn't show..Very frustrating..Warmed up and then got a cold shower and started the 1hr journey home again >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 28, 2008, 10:21:16 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on July 28, 2008, 10:05:59 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 28, 2008, 10:04:26 PM
Down ACFL Division 2
Banbridge 1-17  Dundrum 3-08

Great game. Played at a fast pace throughout. Banbridge were the dominant team in the 1st half while we played very well in the 2nd half. There has been some definite improvement in our performances the past few games.
Once again turnovers are killing us. Everytime that we give the ball away we concede a score. Banbridge are a very good team. They move the ball really well and at full forward they have a county standard player in Paddy Feeney.

Is Paddy playing full forward now? How longs he been playing there, he was a defender back in the day at the college.

Paddy was on the u21 panel as well few years back that reached the AI final

Think he has been playing in the forwards the past year or so. He knocked over about 6 from play tonight. Very impressive. Banbridge have definitely come on a long way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 28, 2008, 10:32:15 PM
Monday 28th July 
ACFL Div 1
Liatroim 1 11 Ballyholland 0 10
Loughinisland 2 06 Castlewellan 1 08
Kilcoo 1 14 Rostrevor 1 07
Saval 1 09 Burren 2 10
Clonduff 0 11 An Riocht 0 10
Longstone 1 08 Mayobridge 1 16

ACFL Div 2
Annaclone 1 10 Ballymartin 0 11
Shamrocks v 1 09 Kilclief 0 10
Attical v Downpatrick OFF
Warrenpoint 1 09 Tullylish 0 10
Clann na Banna 1 17 Dundrum 3 08
Daragh Cross 0 14 Bryansford 3 13

ACFL Div 3
Tecconnaught 1 12 Bosco 1 10
St Pauls 1 06 Carryduff 1 09
Drumaness 0 12 Glasdrumman 1 09
Drumgath 2 12 Ardglass 1 08
Mitchels 1 07  Glenn 2 07
St Micheals 0 14  Bredagh 3 13

ACFL Div 4
Aghaderg 1 13 Bright 1 08
Ballykinlar  0 09 St Johns 4 23
Aughlisnafinn 0 05 Dromara 2 23
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 28, 2008, 10:45:03 PM
Latest ACFL Division 2 Table

Bryansford  14   28
Clann na Banna  13  18
Annaclone  13   16
Warrenpoint  13   16
Shamrocks  13   16
Attical  13   15
Ballymartin  13  13
Darragh Cross  13   11
Downpatrick  12  10
Tullylish  13  6
Kilclief  13   5
Dundrum  13   2

Outstanding Fixture: Downpatrick v Attical
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 28, 2008, 10:49:08 PM
the way Bryansford are going they could get 40+ points, so with the 30% rule you could be looking at over 12 points for safety, could three teams go down DF?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 28, 2008, 10:54:32 PM
Square Ball, If 3 teams dont reach 30% of the top team's total then the bottom 2 go down automatically. Similarly, if 4 teams dont reach the 30% then it is still the bottom 2 that go down. Again, if 1 team doesnt make the 30% then they go down automatically with the other 3 teams in the bottom 4 playing off.
Realistically, Bryansford arent going to drop a point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 28, 2008, 11:01:14 PM
I'd be very surprised if Bryansford don't drop a point or two. A few clubs have had a decent stab at it in recent seasons, but when it comes to the crunch and they've nothing to play for, but their opponents are fighting for a play-off place, they'll get tuened over.


We got beat by 4 pts in Liatroim, and it was a bit harsh.

We were coasting in the first half when the referee (who was otherwise pretty good) made a complete c**k up. Our midfielder was carrying the ball out of defence when he was dragged to the ground by their corner forward. The wee fecker then wouldn't let go of him and how our player didn't smash him in the head I don't know. But he didn't. Yet somehow, two black ticks and a throw-up ball was the result, which Liatroim claimed and about 5 seconds later deflected into our net.

The Fontenoys to their credit were the better team for most of the second half, but the woodwork saved their arses twice. Aidan O'Prey must have finished with 6 or 7 from play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 28, 2008, 11:03:28 PM
Div 3

Team Played Won Drew Lost Points
  Ard Ghlais  16  12  1  3  25 
  An Ghlasdromainn  16  11  2  3  24 
  Breadach  16  11  2  3  24 
  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh  16  11  1  4  23 
  Droim Gath  15  8  3  4  19 
  Droim an Easa  16  7  2  7  16 
  Naomh Pól  16  6  3  7  15 
  Gleann  16  5  3  8  13 
  Naomh Michil  16  5  3  8  13 
  Tí Chonnachta  16  5  1  10  11 
  Sabhall Padraig  16  5  0  11  10 
  Naomh Eoin Bosco  16  3  1  12  7 
  Misteiligh an Iuir  15  2  2  11  6 


tight at both ends
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 28, 2008, 11:23:22 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 28, 2008, 10:54:32 PM
Square Ball, If 3 teams dont reach 30% of the top team's total then the bottom 2 go down automatically. Similarly, if 4 teams dont reach the 30% then it is still the bottom 2 that go down. Again, if 1 team doesnt make the 30% then they go down automatically with the other 3 teams in the bottom 4 playing off.
Realistically, Bryansford arent going to drop a point.

dont think thats right at all !!! If three teams dont make 30 % then they all play off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 29, 2008, 12:54:16 AM
Monday 28th July
Div one table
P   W   D   L   Pts    SD   Teams
13   12   0     1   24     87   Mayobridge
13     9   1     3   19     59   Kilcoo
12     7   1     4   15     -1   Loughinisland
12     7   1     4   15     -2   Rostrevor
13     7   0     6   14     -1   Burren
13     7   0     6   14     -5   Longstone
13     7   0     6   14   -13   Clonduff
13     6   1     6   13    23   Castlewellan
12     3   2     7     8   -21   Saval
13     3   1     9     7   -34   Liatroim
12     2   1     9     5   -28   Ballyholland
13     2   0   11     4   -64   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on July 29, 2008, 01:34:24 AM
I have to get this on before Lecale2 does.
Bredagh minor hurlers beat Ballycran by a point last night in a league match. I wasn't there but by all accounts it was well deserved win. Giood luck to them. Bredagh are doing great work for hurling and have been for a while. They enjoyed the win last night and so they should. Down needs more hurling clubs and the work of Danny Hughes, Liam Quinn and others is paying off.  Fair paly to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on July 29, 2008, 08:16:23 AM
Whats happened to An Riocht this year? From league champions last year they have been rooted to the bottom of Div 1 all season. Just dont understand why they cant pull a few wins together.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on July 29, 2008, 08:32:20 AM
Quote from: passedit on July 28, 2008, 08:50:52 PM
St Pauls 1.6 Carryduff 1.9

Goal in last couple of minutes for Carryduff the difference according to my source.


Oh and Warrenpoint beat Tullylish by a point or two last night.




a goal that should have been disallowed for a blatant frontal charge on the goalkeeper by Carryduff's big lumox (sp) of a full forward, is what made the difference last night, apart from that it was a tight match the whole way through!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on July 29, 2008, 09:21:06 AM
Quote from: stpauls on July 29, 2008, 08:32:20 AM
Quote from: passedit on July 28, 2008, 08:50:52 PM
St Pauls 1.6 Carryduff 1.9

Goal in last couple of minutes for Carryduff the difference according to my source.


Oh and Warrenpoint beat Tullylish by a point or two last night.




a goal that should have been disallowed for a blatant frontal charge on the goalkeeper by Carryduff's big lumox (sp) of a full forward, is what made the difference last night, apart from that it was a tight match the whole way through!!

My source (a neutral,if you could call a bredagh man that) also called it a charge but then he also said the St Pauls keeper should eat an extra egg in the morning.  ;)

Apparently the St Pauls goal was a goalkeeper howler and Carryduff finished slightly the stronger with St Pauls strong at MF but wasteful in attack. Would you agree St Pauls?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mickey Linden on July 29, 2008, 09:32:54 AM
Anyone know the process for Dans appeal? i take it they are appealing it? Whats the chances of him being available for Saturday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on July 29, 2008, 09:51:40 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 28, 2008, 10:04:26 PM
Down ACFL Division 2
Banbridge 1-17  Dundrum 3-08

Great game. Played at a fast pace throughout. Banbridge were the dominant team in the 1st half while we played very well in the 2nd half. There has been some definite improvement in our performances the past few games.
Once again turnovers are killing us. Everytime that we give the ball away we concede a score. Banbridge are a very good team. They move the ball really well and at full forward they have a county standard player in Paddy Feeney.

That was Paddys first game in a few months because of injury. Last night was the first time in God knows how long we had our full team to choose from with players coming back from injury and holidays (conor lunny takes 5 holidays a season!!). Started off well on top and for the first 20 mins looked as if it would be handy enough win, but Dundrum fought back and made a game of it. If they keep performing like they did especially in the second half the will pick up a few points and force a playoff. there CHF (CV, womanising drunk ;)) done well and most of their play went through him, unfortunate for them McComiskeys injury cause if he had of been fit I would have strongly fancied them to stay up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on July 29, 2008, 10:12:20 AM
Quote from: passedit on July 29, 2008, 09:21:06 AM
Quote from: stpauls on July 29, 2008, 08:32:20 AM
Quote from: passedit on July 28, 2008, 08:50:52 PM
St Pauls 1.6 Carryduff 1.9

Goal in last couple of minutes for Carryduff the difference according to my source.


Oh and Warrenpoint beat Tullylish by a point or two last night.




a goal that should have been disallowed for a blatant frontal charge on the goalkeeper by Carryduff's big lumox (sp) of a full forward, is what made the difference last night, apart from that it was a tight match the whole way through!!

My source (a neutral,if you could call a bredagh man that) also called it a charge but then he also said the St Pauls keeper should eat an extra egg in the morning.  ;)

Apparently the St Pauls goal was a goalkeeper howler and Carryduff finished slightly the stronger with St Pauls strong at MF but wasteful in attack. Would you agree St Pauls?

not sure about a howler but it could definately have been dealt with better. ball was send in from a free on the wing and everyone misjudged it except our corner forward who snuck in at the back post to fist it in!!!
of course this put us ahead and instead of pushing on, we sat back on our laurels and Carryduff were able to push forward and get the crucial scores to take the 2 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on July 29, 2008, 11:46:51 AM

Gordon seeks to overturn red card
Down midfielder Dan Gordon
Down midfielder Dan Gordon hopes to play against Wexford

Down midfielder Dan Gordon is taking his case to the GAA's Central Hearings Committee in an attempt to get his red card against Laois rescinded.

Gordon received a four-week suspension for an alleged head-butt but Mourne County officials are confident video evidence will clear their player.

If Gordon wins his case, he will be able to play in Saturday's crucial third round qualifier against Wexford.

The winner of the Croke Park clash goes into the All-Ireland quarter-finals.

Down are adamant they have video footage which will prove Gordon did not make contact with Laois midfielder Pauric Casey's face.

Gordon's team-mate, full-back Martin Cole, will not play against Wexford after picking up an ankle injury.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 29, 2008, 11:58:21 AM
Teams   FOR           AGAINST       
                             
21   156   219     7   111   132     87  M.bridge
15   149   194   10   105   135     59  Kilcoo   
15   107   152   11   120   153     -1  L.island   
14   118   160   13   123   162     -2  Rostrevor
12   127   163     9   137   164     -1  Burren   
14   154   196   20   141   201     -5  Longstone   
11   125   158   10   141   171   -13  Clonduff   
6   154   172   10   119   149     23  C.wellan    
10   116   146   16   119   167   -21  Saval   
9   137   164   10   168   198   -34  Liatroim    
13   106   145   14   131   173   -28  B.holland   
  7   119   140   17   153   204   -64  An Riocht

Least goals scored;     Castlewellan
Least points scored;    Ballyholland
Most goals scored;      Mayobridge
Most points scored;     Mayobridge

Least points conceded;  Kilcoo
Least goals conceded;   Mayobridge
Most points conceded;  Liatroim
Most goals conceded;   Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 29, 2008, 12:19:38 PM
went to see Drumgath and Ardglass last night.... Ardglass are the typical town team, some good footballers but when the going got tough and they went a few beind , there was no leaders to pull them out of a hole, was very impressed with the Drumgath full back Sean Parsons, he is only 17!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on July 29, 2008, 12:20:09 PM
naomh pol that was ket for the reserve game felt sorry for u's lads!I'd say after this year ye's wouldn't care if ye's never had to play us again!!

Wobler granted ur lad had won the free just before the goal but he went on to get the corner forward in a head lock!unfortunate for the defender to deflect it in!we made hard work of it and it shouldn't have been a 4 point game I felt without that deflected goal we wouldn't have had a hope but we did push on in the last 20 min with oprey doing well he has done great since been moved in there for the stone game getting 1-5/6 against them!though hard luck to ye's v little in the 2 teams on any day and its going to be a dog fight to the last between the bottom 4 IMO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 29, 2008, 01:31:06 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 29, 2008, 12:19:38 PM
went to see Drumgath and Ardglass last night.... Ardglass are the typical town team, some good footballers but when the going got tough and they went a few beind , there was no leaders to pull them out of a hole, was very impressed with the Drumgath full back Sean Parsons, he is only 17!!!

;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on July 29, 2008, 01:38:46 PM
You can laugh spirit I was at the game last night and the cross gave you lot the fill of it, yous can be thankful you are in div. 2 wouldn get away with 10 passengers in div. 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on July 29, 2008, 02:00:21 PM
The score difference looks rather depressing for alot of teams in Division 1, 12/13 games played and only 3 teams in the plus figures!!! :o Mayobridge and Kilcoo are well ahead of the rest of the pack but its a suprising one with Castlewellan, they must be having a hell of an unfortunate year and being beaten by 1/2points in alot of games to be sitting 8th in the table and +23 compared to those teams around them, i remember they were the only team to beat Mayobridge twice last year and i'd expect it'll be a tight match on friday night between the two.
Went up the the bridge longstone match on sunday and with the celebrations of their 50th and a big home crowd i expected a strong challenge from Longstone but it never really seemed likely. Although longstone were missing a few players it was the same for mayobridge!! there seems to be a conveyor belt of talent in the bridge at the minute with a strong minor team who have c/ship ambitions and why not with the likes of Ryan Brady.  He looked very impressive on sunday and gave his man an awful time. its hard to see him not figuring in the c/ship but look at the forwards already available!!!! With still a relatively young team, complacency seems the only thing that could stop the bridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 29, 2008, 02:46:18 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on July 29, 2008, 09:51:40 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 28, 2008, 10:04:26 PM
Down ACFL Division 2
Banbridge 1-17  Dundrum 3-08

Great game. Played at a fast pace throughout. Banbridge were the dominant team in the 1st half while we played very well in the 2nd half. There has been some definite improvement in our performances the past few games.
Once again turnovers are killing us. Everytime that we give the ball away we concede a score. Banbridge are a very good team. They move the ball really well and at full forward they have a county standard player in Paddy Feeney.



That was Paddys first game in a few months because of injury. Last night was the first time in God knows how long we had our full team to choose from with players coming back from injury and holidays (conor lunny takes 5 holidays a season!!). Started off well on top and for the first 20 mins looked as if it would be handy enough win, but Dundrum fought back and made a game of it. If they keep performing like they did especially in the second half the will pick up a few points and force a playoff. there CHF (CV, womanising drunk ;)) done well and most of their play went through him, unfortunate for them McComiskeys injury cause if he had of been fit I would have strongly fancied them to stay up
Some might call him a casanova whom enjoys a tipple  ;) Where as others might call him just a drunk :o
Second game in a row we put a fight up against a top three team, sadly means shite all in terms of the league table. Bann are probably the most improved team in the county over the last 2 seasons and are looking good for a top 4 finish.
Whatever happened the whole Warrenpoint/Belmont incident, it seems to have died a death in terms of media publicity????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on July 29, 2008, 02:53:02 PM
Its been found out to be an absolute punch of lies, where no assault even took place never mind by any Banbridge players. Ya will hear more about it soon enough

I'll stick by the drunk womaniser who likes to think of himself of a casanove who fools himself into thinking he doesn't have a drink problem but rather as someone who like a tipple
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDunYeGo on July 29, 2008, 03:21:13 PM
St Pauls , was down at the match last night myself, and i think you should be worrying about the silly fouls you gave away instead of referee's decisions (albeit a half dodgy one) ;). especially in the second half, where it cost you several easy points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 29, 2008, 03:32:58 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on July 29, 2008, 01:38:46 PM
You can laugh spirit I was at the game last night and the cross gave you lot the fill of it, yous can be thankful you are in div. 2 wouldn get away with 10 passengers in div. 1

Eh, who rattled your cage? it has nothing to do with the fact we are eight players short at the minute..including Maginn, Hanna, Brannigan, Travers, King, Howard ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 29, 2008, 03:52:54 PM
Hope the Ulster support will support each other this weekend in Croke Park.  I'd say the Fermanagh and Monaghan fans probably will, hope the Down and Tyrone fans do the same,  I know I would definitely like to see all four ulster teams progress this weekend!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: its me again on July 29, 2008, 03:57:20 PM
as a man from outside the county one thing always stands out to me, the lack of Kilcoo men on either the U21 or Senior teams/panels yet they seem to be there or there abouts every year plus have had good underage success in recent years

can anyone shed any light on this??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on July 29, 2008, 04:14:05 PM
Quote from: AnDunYeGo on July 29, 2008, 03:21:13 PM
St Pauls , was down at the match last night myself, and i think you should be worrying about the silly fouls you gave away instead of referee's decisions (albeit a half dodgy one) ;). especially in the second half, where it cost you several easy points

that is a fair point ADYG, and we can certainly do with cutting down on them, but quite a number of the frees given against us last night were dodgy decisions!! our giving away of silly frees do tend to come when we are in a close match and our guys start to panic a bit!! they just need to learn to keep the heads and tackle properly!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on July 29, 2008, 04:19:52 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 29, 2008, 03:32:58 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on July 29, 2008, 01:38:46 PM
You can laugh spirit I was at the game last night and the cross gave you lot the fill of it, yous can be thankful you are in div. 2 wouldn get away with 10 passengers in div. 1

Eh, who rattled your cage? it has nothing to do with the fact we are eight players short at the minute..including Maginn, Hanna, Brannigan, Travers, King, Howard ;)

Right enough well if you put it like that!!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on July 29, 2008, 05:59:54 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 29, 2008, 03:32:58 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on July 29, 2008, 01:38:46 PM
You can laugh spirit I was at the game last night and the cross gave you lot the fill of it, yous can be thankful you are in div. 2 wouldn get away with 10 passengers in div. 1

Eh, who rattled your cage? it has nothing to do with the fact we are eight players short at the minute..including Maginn, Hanna, Brannigan, Travers, King, Howard ;)
Terrible that you have to line out with just 7 players @ the minute 'spirit'  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 29, 2008, 09:36:22 PM
any1 any info on the reserve championship dates?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 29, 2008, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on July 29, 2008, 01:34:24 AM
I have to get this on before Lecale2 does.
Bredagh minor hurlers beat Ballycran by a point last night in a league match. I wasn't there but by all accounts it was well deserved win. Giood luck to them. Bredagh are doing great work for hurling and have been for a while. They enjoyed the win last night and so they should. Down needs more hurling clubs and the work of Danny Hughes, Liam Quinn and others is paying off.  Fair paly to them.

I was at this game, a great hard well fought game with plenty of skill on show as well, great win for the Bredagh boys, lets hope they can challenge the boys for the Ards at all underage levels, it can only benefit the county to have more teams challenging the Ards dominance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on July 30, 2008, 09:01:38 AM
this weekend stiff breeze, yesterdays Irish news
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on July 30, 2008, 11:12:20 AM
any report on the glenn mitchells game Minus15??

mitchells for div 4??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: county derry post on July 30, 2008, 11:35:41 AM
Lads, any chance of some directions to Ballycran, coming from Dungiven to the hurling match tonight but haven't a notion how to get there and the interweb machine isn't exactly full of references to Ballycran  :P  thanks
Title: colie mccrickard
Post by: goldenyears on July 30, 2008, 01:51:53 PM
played for liatroim against the harps on monday night and i thought he was excellent - if he hadnt played they would never have won. caught some great ball and was v good on the ball, drove them forward on every occasion, and on the back of that performance i dont see how he isnt on the county panel, esp given the alternatives to dan gordon for tis weekend....

any thoughts? i wud have him in the team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whyarerefssobad on July 30, 2008, 02:00:44 PM
with all due respect game against the harps is hardly the same as playing against wexford he has been tried and tested and it never happened for him i think if Dan does not play Paul Murphy should be the man do you think if Murphy had played the other night would your man been as good
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 30, 2008, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: whyarerefssobad on July 30, 2008, 02:00:44 PM
with all due respect game against the harps is hardly the same as playing against wexford he has been tried and tested and it never happened for him i think if Dan does not play Paul Murphy should be the man do you think if Murphy had played the other night would your man been as good

Any predictions for the Minor quarter finals tonight?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 30, 2008, 06:00:16 PM
Quote from: general on July 30, 2008, 11:12:20 AM
any report on the glenn mitchells game Minus15??

mitchells for div 4??

surely you should know general !!! Are you not the keeper of 1 of the teams mentioned?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 30, 2008, 09:27:47 PM
Minor Championship

Bredagh beat An Riocht tonigh by a score of 3-13 to 3-7 in Cherryvale.

any other scores from the other minor championship games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on July 30, 2008, 09:33:00 PM
Longstone beat Castlewellan by 2points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on July 30, 2008, 09:39:00 PM
Kilcoo and Bridge match draw, bridge very lucky in the end! last min stuff.  Too many managers along the line!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on July 30, 2008, 09:44:04 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 30, 2008, 06:00:16 PM
Quote from: general on July 30, 2008, 11:12:20 AM
any report on the glenn mitchells game Minus15??

mitchells for div 4??

surely you should know general !!! Are you not the keeper of 1 of the teams mentioned?

indeed but im looking to know what happend in the game as im currently on holidays!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on July 30, 2008, 10:23:25 PM
any word of dan yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 30, 2008, 10:34:05 PM
Quote from: general on July 30, 2008, 09:44:04 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 30, 2008, 06:00:16 PM
Quote from: general on July 30, 2008, 11:12:20 AM
any report on the glenn mitchells game Minus15??

mitchells for div 4??

surely you should know general !!! Are you not the keeper of 1 of the teams mentioned?

indeed but im looking to know what happend in the game as im currently on holidays!

heard it was a shite match and glenn did just enough to win it. Ah your on holidays, that explains why some1 remarked " that glenn keeper has lost about 4 stone since the last time I saw him play"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 30, 2008, 11:23:23 PM
Drumdrumite.  Thanks for the acknowledgement.

These things do not happen overnight esp in a Co Down club based in Belfast.  It has taken a decade of concerted work to first of all attract our youth to GAA games before even suggesting they might achieve something at county level.

Many individuals have played their part in this and deserve credit for sticking to the task.  A Minor level victory over a club with the youth pedigree of An Riocht is a real achievement for us.  Managers Damien Canavan, Paul Doran, Maurice Rooney & Seamus O'Hara deserve great credit for this team. 

Who knows, they may even go further in this championship.  An Riocht would have rightly expected to so why not Bredagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on July 30, 2008, 11:47:57 PM
Sorry to dampen your spirits onion bag, but An Riocht actually aren't that strong this year at this level, first time in years, they are rightly down the South Down league at the moment! But none the less still a good win for your club, semi final of a minor championship! Well done to all involved, maybe see Bredagh in division 1 in years to come! ::) ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on July 31, 2008, 12:31:36 AM
Down "POWERADE" Minor "A" Football Championship
Resuts
Seomrogai an Iuir 0-05 Ath Bhriain 2-19
Noamh Eoin Bosco 0-08 Cluain Diamh 0-07
Bredach 3-13 An Riocht 3-07
Cill Chua 2-12 Droichead Mhaigh Eo 2-12

Down "POWERADE" Minor "B" Football Championship
Resuts
An Ghleann 2-13 Loch an Oilean 1-10
An Cloch Fhada 0-11 Caislean an Mhuillin 0-09
Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh 4-15 Noamh Colmans 1-07
Noamh Mhuire 3-13 Eanach Cluna 0-04
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 31, 2008, 10:37:16 AM
Gordon cleared......100% defo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on July 31, 2008, 11:34:48 AM
When is the draw for the minor championship semi finals?

general would agree with stiff breeze poor enough match littered with errors but Glenn were comfortable enough in the end!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 31, 2008, 12:23:25 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on June 04, 2008, 10:46:47 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 04, 2008, 09:36:03 PM
Anyone know anything on our Minor panel?

Bryansford won Ulster U17 title (Paul McGirr Cup) last year and are unbeaten in the ACMFL yet not one player has made the squad! Am I missing something here? And they all attended trials as asked to do so....

Cant get my head round that one either, Bryansford have some great minors as do Mayobridge who are also still unbeaten and there is only two from these two teams on the panel, they must have some team.
I think its the management, no harm to Dessie Kennedy but he hasn't got a clue, never did!!He wouldn't know how to change a light bulb never mind a game!  How do these people get the County job?? They won the all ireland with a great team and only just. Some of the minors from that year just laughed at him. Dont think Turley is much better.

How many of the Down minor team are playing in the semi final stage of the championship? The performance of Bryansford last night was awesome and i still feel we let the Ulster Championship and possibly another All Ireland slip away by bad management. Any comments
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on July 31, 2008, 02:44:03 PM
Totally agree with you spirit! Its definitely down to bad management, there are a number of players who could easily have been on that side from bryansford, kilcoo and mayobridge. There was only one each from the bridge and kilcoo! Think there should be a shake up in the minor management! 3 years plenty for them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on July 31, 2008, 03:10:00 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on July 31, 2008, 02:44:03 PM
Totally agree with you spirit! Its definitely down to bad management, there are a number of players who could easily have been on that side from bryansford, kilcoo and mayobridge. There was only one each from the bridge and kilcoo! Think there should be a shake up in the minor management! 3 years plenty for them!


What about the Bosco lads too? There are a couple of those players could have made the team never mind the panel.  Most notably Chris Doogan.  Surely he should have been an option in Omagh. You're forgetting your Newry neighbours again Bridge Lad!!! :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on July 31, 2008, 03:31:53 PM
What do you mean again man? I thought there was a few bosco lads on the panel, my mistake! Yea very impressed with bosco against the bridge. Cant believe  there wasn't many of your lads as well! McGarry's son would not get on any of the teams i've mentioned!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on July 31, 2008, 04:27:38 PM
ballyholland v loughinisland is being played tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 31, 2008, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: islandboy on July 31, 2008, 04:27:38 PM
ballyholland v loughinisland is being played tonight

IslandBoy, I see Loughinisland have pulled off yet another transfer coup. Howd did you's do it this time? Invent another make believe house on the Loughinisland Road?
He has played all his underage football to date with Drumaness.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on July 31, 2008, 05:06:37 PM
is that not all the one parish? is loughinisland/teconnaght/drumaness not all one parish meaning they can transfer if they like?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on July 31, 2008, 05:11:30 PM
drumaness/ballynahinch is a separate parish from loughinisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on July 31, 2008, 05:12:50 PM
i stand corrected
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 31, 2008, 08:06:51 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on July 31, 2008, 05:12:50 PM
i stand corrected

Said the man in the orthapaedic shoes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 31, 2008, 10:26:55 PM
Castlewellan 0-14 Bridge 0-9.  Damage was done for us just before half time when the Town scored four unanswered points.  Bridge hit four wides in a row at the start of the second half which didn't help.  Kevin Duffin looked good again tonight, he had county player written all over him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 31, 2008, 10:29:07 PM
Was this Div 1 football or what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 31, 2008, 10:51:49 PM
Also played tonight in Div one game

Rostrevor 1.18 Saval 0.9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on August 01, 2008, 09:07:57 AM
Ballyholland 1.8 Loughinisland 1.8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on August 01, 2008, 09:10:59 AM
we were poor last night. got out of jail at the end. missed a lot of chances . played against 14 men for last 15 minutes yet struggled to bet going.

downfanatic- dont know what your talking about? no news of any new signings from our feeder clubs!
Title: ACFL Div 2
Post by: No1 on August 01, 2008, 09:42:38 AM
Kilclief  2-7 V Atticall 0-9 

:o

The great escape is on!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on August 01, 2008, 10:48:52 AM
What way does the bottom of the down first division look now.

bottom 4 play off as usual to determine two to go down i assume?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on August 01, 2008, 11:10:38 AM
Yes there is ususally a bottom 4, but that may change this year due to Mayobridges points total, and will depend on whether or not the bottom 4 can get to the required 30% of Mayobridges total.

At the minute it does not look good for An Riocht.  League champions are struggling big time to escape automatic relegation.  However they only need to look at Liatrom for inspiration.  A few weeks age they had 2 points.  3 games later they now have 7 having won 2 and drawn 1 of the 3 games.  They now have a good chance of escaping automatic relegation, if not actually avoiding playoffs.  The others in danger at the moment are still Ballyholland and Saval, with 6 and 8 points respectively.  Both teams need their count men if they are going to pick up points.  I estimate that you will need 11 points to avoid automatic relegation so these 2 definitely are able to do this.

We played Kilcoo on Monday night and they whipped our a**.  They played good stuff and we just were not at the races.  Their big test is still to come though, everyone knows it is the championship they want. The night after our festival finished was not a good night to be playing Kilcoo. 
Thankfully we got a boost last night against Saval when we beat them.  We were far hungrier as a result of the Kilcoo game and it showed.  Was good to see Adrian Mackin back playing also.  He had a good game and is a big player for us when he is fit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 01, 2008, 11:12:18 AM
Saval 8
Liatroim 7
Ballyholland 6
An Riocht 4

With Liatroim playing An Riocht tonight! Only play off's if more than 2 teams have +30% of 1st place teams points!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 01, 2008, 03:52:14 PM
Superdupe, is Joe Fegan still playing for yous?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on August 01, 2008, 04:09:46 PM
Quote from: southdown on August 01, 2008, 03:52:14 PM
Superdupe, is Joe Fegan still playing for yous?

Joe Fegan went to Australia in June for 12 weeks.  His last match for us was against Burren a few days before he went.  He is back home this weekend so he should be back in the squad by next Fridays game against Clonduff.  Would expect him to take 3/4 weeks getting up to speed but at least we will have him as an option.  On his day he is a frightening player but extremely unpredictable, for us and for the opposition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 01, 2008, 04:30:28 PM
Went to school with him, a real talent, but as you said, unpredictable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 01, 2008, 04:32:30 PM
My guess that Kilcoo will win the Div one league this year, Saval and Ballyholland drop back to Div 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on August 01, 2008, 08:24:32 PM
My Championship predictions before they get underway this weekend:

SFC: Mayobridge
IFC: Clann na Banna
JFC: St Pauls
PRFC: Clonduff
RFC: Burren
SHC: Ballycran
IHC: Liatroim
JHC: Warrenpoint (although we might give it a rattle too! :P)

IHC This weekend;
Bredagh v Portaferry- Portaferry
Ballygalget v Shamrocks- Shamrocks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 01, 2008, 08:53:23 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on August 01, 2008, 08:24:32 PM

JHC: Warrenpoint (although we might give it a rattle too! :P)

I love that one Whitehair!

If Ballela don't win it this year you may give it up! You were the second best team in the competition last year & have been doing ok in Div 1 this year. The Point are flying in Div 2 but you guys are well a head of them now. Ballela to win the JHC unless Bredagh IIs surprise them!

Portaferry for the Senior. With Doole back they are looking good. I think they wioll beat Ballycran in the semi and go on to beat Ballygalget in the SHC final.  and Liatroim for the IHC.

In the football, Mayobridge are out in front in the senior. Glasdrumman for the IFC. They have a young side that I reckon can come good in the championship.  Glenn for the Junoir Champonship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on August 01, 2008, 09:31:02 PM
Div 3 result

Glenn 1.15 St. Micks 1.15.




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 01, 2008, 09:37:00 PM
Drumaness beat the Duff 6-8 in Div 3

Bredagh beat Castlewellan by 1 in the reserve championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 01, 2008, 09:47:54 PM
Milkman make that 1-13 apiece. Glenn scored 2 points in injury time to snatch a draw. They led by 2 with ten to play. Michaels pulled level and added two more following a fantastic Damien O'Hare effort for Glenn which crashed against the crossbar. One of the sweeneys (??) was impressive from frees and declan lavery scored some fine long range points. However, his man Raymond Quinn managed to grab a goal and a point at the other end in the second half.
Glenn started the better with two points but St Michaels ruled from then until the twenty minute mark winning good break ball possession round the middle and scored a goal after a handling error from the Glenn corner back to establish a lead of 1-04 to 0-03. Colm murtagh moving to midfield then saw Glenn win much more in the sector and inspired by Mark Lennon they clawed their way back to leave a half time score of 1-06 to 0-08.
St Micks started better in the second half with two quickfire points before Raymond Quinn restored parity with a goal. The teams were neck and neck for a period before a Colm Murtagh score put Glenn two up but they then let their opponents back in the game and needed a late Damien O'Hare free to rescue a point. Not the best of games but a closely fought contest between two teams due to meet in the championship in a couple of weeks.










Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 01, 2008, 10:07:14 PM
Down ACFL Division 2
Dundrum 1-06  Darragh Cross 0-12

We had to win this one. We were a point up with ten minutes left then we collapsed.
Survival is still within our grasp. Every game from now on in will be a Championship Final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 01, 2008, 10:13:54 PM
Bryansford 2.11 Ballymartin 0.03
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 01, 2008, 10:19:42 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on August 01, 2008, 10:13:54 PM
Bryansford 2.11 Ballymartin 0.03

I take it you were back to full strength tonight spirit? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on August 01, 2008, 11:04:19 PM
ACFL DIV3

Glasdrumman 2-14
Drumgath 0-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 01, 2008, 11:49:56 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on August 01, 2008, 10:19:42 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on August 01, 2008, 10:13:54 PM
Bryansford 2.11 Ballymartin 0.03

I take it you were back to full strength tonight spirit? 

From what I hear one of the ballymartin players got married today and noly half the ballymartin team left the wedding to come to the game...which wasn't changed for whatever reason I don't know!

Longstone beat Kilcoo 0-10 to 0-9, big result on a very wet pitch considering Kilcoo looked to be full strength and we're still missing 3 key players in Ambrose, Mark poland and Michael Higgins!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 02, 2008, 11:14:44 AM
Quote from: TORGAEL on August 01, 2008, 11:04:19 PM
ACFL DIV3

Glasdrumman 2-14
Drumgath 0-5

thats a hell of a beating for Drumgath, anyone at the game and would like to say what went on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 02, 2008, 11:17:03 AM
full results from the week

Thurs 31st July
ACFL Div 1
Rostrevor 1 18  Saval 0 09
ACFL Div 2
Kilclief 2 07 Attical 0 09
Friday Aug 1st
ACFL Div 1
Longstone 0 10 Kilcoo 0 09
Burren 1 11 Clonduff 0 08
An Riocht 0 12 Liatroim 1 11
Ballyholland 1 08 Loughinisland 1 08
Castlewellan 0 14 Mayobridge 0 09
ACFL Div 2
Downpatrick v Warrenpoint OFF
Tullylish 1 07  Clanna na Banna 0 12
Dundrum 1 06  Darragh Cross 0 12
Annaclone 1 16 Shamrocks 2 04
Bryansford 2 11 Ballymartin 0 03
ACFL Div 3
Saul 2 14 Teconnaught 1 07
Carryduff 0 06 Drumaness 0 08
Ardglass 5 12 Mitchels 0 06
Bosco 2 06 St Pauls 0 02
Glasdrumman 2 14 Drumgath 0 06
Glenn 1 13 St Micheals 1 13
ACFL Div 4
Bright 0 06 Dromara 0 10
Aughlisnafinn 1 07 Ballykinlar 1 09
PRFC
Bredagh 1 12   Castlewellan 2 08

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 02, 2008, 12:16:51 PM
Latest ACFL Division 2 Table

Bryansford  15   30
Clann na Banna 14  20
Annaclone  14   18
Warrenpoint  13   16
Shamrocks  14   16
Attical  14   15
Ballymartin  14  13
Darragh Cross  14   13
Downpatrick  12  10
Kilclief   14   7
Tullylish   14  6
Dundrum   14   2

Outstanding Fixtures: Downpatrick v Attical + Downpatrick v Warrenpoint
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on August 02, 2008, 07:33:51 PM
Bad result 2day, the boys never got into the game at all! Looked a bit tired and sluggish! buts its been a long season. Sad way to end it, they are capable of much better, however there has been definite progress made and with a few players out injured (Doyle, Mc Comiskey, Cole) to come back next year along with a few others possibly K.Duffin...... its not all bad. The lads put a serious effort in this year and it shoudnt be forgotten after this bad performance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 02, 2008, 11:05:29 PM
Friday 1st August
Div one table

P   W   D     L   Pts     SD   Teams
14   12   0     2   24     82   Mayobridge
14     9   1     4   19     58   Kilcoo
13     8   1     4   17     10   Rostrevor
14     8   0     6   16      5   Burren
13     7   2     4   16     -1   Loughinisland
14     8   0     6   16     -4   Longstone
14     7   1     6   15     28   Castlewellan
14     7   0     7   14   -19   Clonduff
14     4   1     9     9   -32   Liatroim
13     3   2     8     8   -33   Saval
13     2   2     9     6   -28   Ballyholland
14     2   0   12     4   -66   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mandown on August 03, 2008, 09:20:21 AM
Quote from: D4S on August 01, 2008, 11:49:56 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on August 01, 2008, 10:19:42 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on August 01, 2008, 10:13:54 PM
Bryansford 2.11 Ballymartin 0.03

I take it you were back to full strength tonight spirit? 

From what I hear one of the ballymartin players got married today and noly half the ballymartin team left the wedding to come to the game...which wasn't changed for whatever reason I don't know!

Longstone beat Kilcoo 0-10 to 0-9, big result on a very wet pitch considering Kilcoo looked to be full strength and we're still missing 3 key players in Ambrose, Mark poland and Michael Higgins!

Well at least Ballymartin made an effort to field a team. From what i hear St Johns didn't bother fielding at HOME to Aghaderg, due to some players being at a wedding. Handing Aghaderg 2 point thus giving them an advantage in the race with Dromara for promotion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 03, 2008, 06:20:47 PM
Monday 4th Aug 7 30
ACFL Div 1
Clonduff v Ballyholland(N Cousins)
Saval v Castlewellan(D Moore)
Loughinisland v Longstone(G Brannigan)
Liatroim v Rostrevor(L Morgan)
Kilcoo v Burren(L Smyth)
Mayobridge v An Riocht(B Rice)
ACFL Div 2
Darragh Cross v Annaclone(M Rawlinson)
Clanna na Banna v Kilclief(H P Mc Cusker)
Shamrocks v Downpatrick(J Burns)
Ballymartin v Tullylish(P Brannigan)
Warrenpoint v Dundrum(B Andrews)
ACFL Div 3
Teconnaught v Glasdrumman(P Brownlee)
St Pauls v Ardglass(E O Hare)
Drumaness v Glenn(P O Rielly)
Drumgath v Bredagh(P Mc Clorey)
Tuesday Aug 5th 7 30
JHC
Baile an Mhierligh v Rinn Mhic Goilla Rua(Ballela)
Baile Mhic Uileagoid III v Baille Aileach(Kilclief)
Breadach II v Cluain Diamh(St Johns)
Port an Pheire III v Caislean an Mhuillin(Daragh Cross)
Thursday 7th Aug 7 30
ACFL Div 2
Dundrum v Ballymartin( M Rawlinson)
ACFL Div 3
St Micheals v Ardglass(E Mc Grath)
Friday 8th Aug 7 30
ACFL Div 1
Longstone v Saval(N Morgan)
Rostrevor v Clonduff(L Morgan)
An Riocht v Loughinisland(G Tumelty)
Liatroim v Burren(M Curran)
Ballyholland v Mayobridge(M Devlin)
Castlewellan v Kilcoo(D Laverty)
ACFL Div 2
Downpatrick v Clann na Banna(S Lowey)
Tullylish v Darragh Cross(C Broderick)
Bryansford v Shamrocks(G Brannigan)
Annaclone v Attical(L Smyth)
Kilclief v Warrenpoint(P Gelston)
ACFL Div 3
St Pauls v Saul(P Brownlee)
Drumaness v Bosco(C Reynolds)
Drumgath v Carryduff(B Rice)
Mitchels v Glasdrumman(N Cousins)
Bredagh v Glenn(C Brannigan)
ACFL Div 4
Ballykinlar v Aghaderg(P Branigan)
Dromara v St Johns(A Grant)
Bright v Aughlisnafinn(P O Rielly)
Sunday 10th Aug 2 00
ACPRL Div 1
Kilcoo v Downpatrick
An Riocht v Clonduff
Liatroim v Mayobridge
Burren v Rostrevor
Bryansford v Castlewellan
ACPRL Div 2
Tullylish v Annaclone
Bredagh v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Warrenpoint
Carryduff v Saval
Kilclief v Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 03, 2008, 07:01:03 PM
Statement on behalf of Down County Board and Bronagh Rogers (Mother)
Down footballer, Ambrose Rogers was admitted to the Mater Hospital in Dublin yesterday following an abdominal injury towards the end of the Down v Wexford game. Following assessment he underwent surgery to remove his spleen.

He is currently recovering from the surgery and his condition is described as stable. All the players, management and the Down County Board wish him a speedy recovery.


from the Down site  :o

hope he make a full recovery
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on August 03, 2008, 07:17:45 PM
Intermediate Hurling Championship

Portaferry 3.13 Bredagh 1.8

Portaferry with Paul Braniff playing centre half forward lead 3.4 to 1.3 at half time. Goals from Nigel Kelly, Braniff and Paul Smith in a half when it absolutely bucketed down for a period. Bredagh should have been closer as they'd plenty of the ball just couldnt get points on the board, Ian Galway got their goal I think and Donal Hughes caused Portaferry plenty of problems. The second half was a dour enough affair as the game was never really in the balance, Portaferry points coming from Braniff, Noel Sands and Joe Kelly.

Newry Shamrocks 1.12 Ballygalget 1.10

Newry lead 0.7 to 0.4 at half time over a Ballygalget team containing quite a few U-21's and a few elder statesmen. The game was level 1.7 to 0.10 midway through the second half following a close range Ballygalget goal then Newry moved Kevin Fagan from Half back to full forward and shortly after he scored the decisive goal. In the last minute Ballygalget had a chance to win it but Shamrocks keeper Damien Kearns made a great save putting the ball out for a 65 which was then cleared on full time.

In regards Ambrose thats some amount of players from the Stone who'v had spleen injuries, correct me if im wrong but i think a fella Quinn had to get his removed after playing for the Down minors about 4-5 years ago and Ryan Kelly a couple of years ago also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 03, 2008, 08:42:23 PM
any results from reserve championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 03, 2008, 11:25:46 PM
IHC
Breadach 1 08 Port AnPheire II 3 10
Seamrogai an Iuir 1 12  Baile Mhic Uileagoid II 1 10
PRFC Ceathtu Aodha Dhuibh 3 06  Cluain Diamh 1 10
Droichead Mhaigh Eo w/o Liatroim d/f
Baile Ui Mhairtin 5 11 Dun Padraig 1 06
Tulach Lis 0 07 Boireann 2 24
Loch an Oileain 0 12 Cill Chua 1 12
Ath Bhriain 3 11 An Riocht 0 07
Sabhaill 1 14 Cloch Fhada 1 10
Breadach 1 12 Caisleann An Mhuilinn 2 08
RFC
Naomh Eoin Bosco 2 08 Cill Chua 1 06
Liatroim 1 12 Caislean Ruairi 2 13
Droim an Easa 1 13 Baile Cholmain 2 07
Misteiligh An Iuir d/f Droichead Mhaigh Eo w/o
AitTi Chathail 2 17 Teconnaught 0 04
An Riocht 3 09  Boireann 1 09


DOWN FOOTBALL
CHAMPIONSHIP FIXTURES – ROUND 1

THURSDAY 14th AUGUST 2008
Dundrum @ 7.00 p.m.   Around-A-Pound Down Intermediate Football Championship
Glasdromainn (Glasdrumman)   V        Cumann Naomh Eoin (St Johns Bosco)
Ballykinlar @ 7.00 p.m.   Around-A-Pound Down Intermediate Football Championship
Cros Darach (Darragh Cross)      V   Ard Ghlais (Ardglass)

FRIDAY 15th AUGUST 2008
Darragh Cross @ 7.00 p.m.    Around-A-Pound Down Intermediate Football Championship
Cill Cleithe (Kilclief)         V   Ti Chonnachta (Teconnaught)
Downpatrick @ 7.00 p.m.   Powerade Down Senior Football Championship
Caislean An Mhuillin (Castlewellan)   V   Ath Bhriain (Bryansford)
An Riocht @ 7.00 p.m.   Powerade Down Senior Football Championship
Boireann (Burren)         V   Ait Ti Chathaill (Atticall)

SATURDAY 16th AUGUST 2008
Castlewellan @ 2.00 p.m.   Around-A-Pound Down Intermediate Football Championship
Droim Gath (Drumgath)      V   Ceathru Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff)
Ballyholand @ 5.00 p.m.   Around-A-Pound Down Intermediate Football Championship
Clann Na Banna (Clanna Na Banna)   V   Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint)
Newry @ 6.00 p.m.      Around-A-Pound Down Intermediate Football Championship
Eanach Cluana (Annaclone)      V   Tulach Lis (Tullylish)
Newry @ 7.30 p.m.      Powerade Down Senior Football Championship
Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge)   V   Cluain Daimh (Clonduff)

SUNDAY 17th AUGUST 2008
Kilcoo@ 1.00 p.m.      Junior Football Championship
Droim Bearagh (Dromara)      V   Naomh Eoin (St Johns)
Tullylish @ 1.00 p.m.      Junior Football Championship
Gleann (Glenn)         V   Naomh Michil (St Michaels)
Loughinisland @ 1.00 p.m.   Junior Football Championship
Aughlisnafinn (Aughlisnafinn)      V   Breachtain (Bright)
Newcastle @ 2.00 p.m.   Powerade Down Senior Football Championship
Baile Ui Mhairtin (Ballymartin)   V   Dun Padraig (Downpatrick)
Newcastle @ 3.30 p.m.   Powerade Down Senior Football Championship
Liatroim (Liatroim)         V   Cloch Fhada (Longstone)
Kilcoo @ 3.00 p.m.      Around-A-Pound Down Intermediate Football Championship
Seamrogai An Iuir (Shamrocks)   V   Naomh Padraig (Saul)
Loughinisland @ 3.00 p.m.   Around-A-Pound Down Intermediate Football Championship
Dun Droma (Dundrum)       V   Breadach (Bredagh)
Clonduff @ 5.30 p.m.      Powerade Down Senior Football Championship
Sabhaill (Saval)         V   Baile Cholmain (Ballyholand)
Clonduff @ 7.00 p.m.      Powerade Down Senior Football Championship
Cill Chua (Kilcoo)         V   An Riocht (An Riocht)

MONDAY 16th AUGUST 2008
Castlewellan @ 7.00 p.m.   Powerade Down Senior Football Championship
Loch An Oileain (Loughinisland)   V   Caislean Ruairi (Rostrevor)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 03, 2008, 11:36:50 PM
Championship is on next weekend from Thurs 14th to Mon 18th Aug

My selection as below

SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford; Bryansford
Burren v Attical; Burren
Mayobridge v Clonduff; Mayobridge
Liatroim v Longstone; Liatroim
Saval v Ballyholland; Saval
Kilcoo v An Riocht; An Riocht
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; Rostrevor
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; Ballymartin

IFC;
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Ardglass; Ardglass
Kilclief v Teconnaught; Kilclief
Drumgath v Carryduff; Drumgath
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; Banbridge
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks
Dundrum v Bredagh; Bredagh

JFC
Dromara v St John; St John
Glenn v St Michaels; St Michaels
Aughlisnafinn v Bright; Bright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 04, 2008, 09:30:28 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on August 03, 2008, 07:17:45 PM
Intermediate Hurling Championship

Portaferry 3.13 Bredagh 1.8

Portaferry with Paul Braniff playing centre half forward lead 3.4 to 1.3 at half time. Goals from Nigel Kelly, Braniff and Paul Smith in a half when it absolutely bucketed down for a period. Bredagh should have been closer as they'd plenty of the ball just couldnt get points on the board, Ian Galway got their goal I think and Donal Hughes caused Portaferry plenty of problems. The second half was a dour enough affair as the game was never really in the balance, Portaferry points coming from Braniff, Noel Sands and Joe Kelly.


Good report Whitehair. Very strange to see the captain of Portaferry seniors (Dule) lining out for the Seconds. They must see the IHC as their priority this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on August 04, 2008, 11:12:05 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 03, 2008, 07:01:03 PM
Statement on behalf of Down County Board and Bronagh Rogers (Mother)
Down footballer, Ambrose Rogers was admitted to the Mater Hospital in Dublin yesterday following an abdominal injury towards the end of the Down v Wexford game. Following assessment he underwent surgery to remove his spleen.

He is currently recovering from the surgery and his condition is described as stable. All the players, management and the Down County Board wish him a speedy recovery.


from the Down site  :o

hope he make a full recovery

Best wishes to Ambrose.  Hope he comes out of this situation well.  He has more to think about at the minute than football but i have to say that he played his heart out on Saturday in Croke Park.  He is a proud Down and Longstone man, no doubt about that. 
Can someone enlighten me if this is the same injury that Ambrose's clubman Ryan Kelly had!!!!  He is back playing now so lets hope Ambrose can make the same recovery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 04, 2008, 12:07:18 PM
Yes same injury as ryan kelly had...Ryan's back playing great stuff for us so let's hope Ambrose can do the same.  Really unfortunate for him he'll be a long time getting his fitness back after this and especially when he's back playing so well after his cruciate knee injury in 06-07 makes it all the more devastating for him.  Feel terrible for him he's a great fella!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 04, 2008, 01:24:55 PM
SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford; Castlewellan
Burren v Attical; Burren
Mayobridge v Clonduff; Mayobridge
Liatroim v Longstone; Longstone
Saval v Ballyholland; Ballyholland
Kilcoo v An Riocht; Kilcoo
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; Rostrevor
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; Ballymartin

IFC;
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Ardglass; Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Teconnaught; Kilclief
Drumgath v Carryduff; Drumgath
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; Banbridge
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks
Dundrum v Bredagh; Dundrum

JFC
Dromara v St John; St John's
Glenn v St Michaels; Glenn
Aughlisnafinn v Bright; Bright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on August 04, 2008, 09:01:31 PM
ACFL DIV3

Drumgath  1-10
Bredagh  1-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 04, 2008, 09:54:41 PM
Down ACFL Division 2
Warrenpoint 2-16  Dundrum 1-09

We were outplayed for the whole of the game. The Point had two deadly men up front in Ross McGarry and Gary Boyle. They were basically unmarkable for the hour.
We have now lost 14 out of our 15 fixtures and it is not pleasant reading. This game may have been the final nail in our coffin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 04, 2008, 10:02:38 PM
castlewellan beat saval ( by 3 i think)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on August 04, 2008, 10:05:14 PM
Annaclone 4-09 Darragh Cross 0-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on August 04, 2008, 10:10:46 PM
Shamrocks bt Downpatrick by 3-9 to 1-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 04, 2008, 10:25:07 PM
Drumaness 0-10
Glenn 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 04, 2008, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on July 31, 2008, 03:31:53 PM
What do you mean again man? I thought there was a few bosco lads on the panel, my mistake! Yea very impressed with bosco against the bridge. Cant believe  there wasn't many of your lads as well! McGarry's son would not get on any of the teams i've mentioned!

That lad put on perhaps the best forward display I have seen this year tonight. Either it was a flash in the pan or maybe he is getting slated for being the selectors son?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 04, 2008, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on August 04, 2008, 09:01:31 PM
ACFL DIV3

Drumgath  1-10
Bredagh  1-7

was it not 1-11 Torgael?

Drumgath were very wasteful in from of the nets, one Drumgath supporter put it that they had 17 wides and kicked the ball into the keepers hand on 5 occasions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on August 04, 2008, 11:14:44 PM
i made it 3 points square ball... 1-10-1-7, although i could be wrong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on August 04, 2008, 11:16:39 PM
you are correct about the wastefulness, but the ref gave us everything tonight, it was embarassing at times
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 04, 2008, 11:29:42 PM
Torgael has the score correct 1.10 to 1.07 for Drumgath.
They were much the hungrier team 2nite and deserved the win.  Should have won by a bagful but for the squandering of chances in the 1st half. 
Drumgath will be a handful if they make the playoffs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on August 05, 2008, 12:32:43 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 04, 2008, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on July 31, 2008, 03:31:53 PM
What do you mean again man? I thought there was a few bosco lads on the panel, my mistake! Yea very impressed with bosco against the bridge. Cant believe  there wasn't many of your lads as well! McGarry's son would not get on any of the teams i've mentioned!

That lad put on perhaps the best forward display I have seen this year tonight. Either it was a flash in the pan or maybe he is getting slated for being the selectors son?

He's only going into lower 6th this year too. He scored a penalty with a few minutes to go, then a 45 into the wind and rain to win the Rannafast for St Colmans earlier in the year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on August 05, 2008, 01:02:51 AM
burren were beaten well by kilcoo tonight, kilcoo very difficult to beat on their home turf, although have to say they play a very negative game dropping at least to forwards back into defence!

hope ambrose makes a full recovery from his terrible ijury, 2 other young longstone lads hav gone through thesame thing in ryan kelly and gerard quinn, kelly back playing good stuff but quinn has never quite fully rcovered from it, i hope to see ambrose playing again, great prospect and a nice lad!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 05, 2008, 08:37:03 AM
liatroim rostrevor drew after liatroim being 6 points up at start of 2nd half needed an equaliser to get the draw!

Any word on an riocht and bholland!?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 05, 2008, 09:05:32 AM
I'd just like to wish Ambrose a speedy recovery.  Anyone know how having your spleen removed would affect a person.  What does a spleen do?  Ambrose had a great year for Down and is a civil lad so once again all the best to him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 05, 2008, 09:07:27 AM
CHAMPIONSHIP DATES & VENUES                  
DAY   MATCH         VENUE   TIME    REFEREE
THURS AUG 14th   GLASSDRUMMAN   V   ST JOHNS   DUNDRUM   7.00PM   M RAWLINSON
   DARRAGH CROSS   V   ARDGLASS   BALLYKINLAR   7.00PM   E O HARE
                  
FRI AUG 15th   KILCLIEF   V   TECONNAUGHT   DARRAGH CROSS   7.00PM   M LYNCH
   CASTLEWELLAN   V   BRYANSFORD   DOWNPATRICK   7.00PM   C BRANNIGAN
   BURREN   V   ATTICAL   AN RIOCHT   7.00PM   D LAVERTY
                  
SAT AUG 16th   DRUMGATH   V   CARRYDUFF   CASTLEWELLAN   2.00PM   L MORGAN
   LOUGHINISLAND   V   ROSTREVOR   CASTLEWELLAN   3.30PM   D MOORE
   CLANNA NA BANNA   V   WARRENPOINT   BALLYHOLAND   5.00PM   N MORGAN
   ANNACLONE   V   TULLYLISH   NEWRY   6.00PM   J BURNS
   MAYOBRIDGE   V   CLONDUFF   NEWRY   7.30PM   G CORRIGAN
                  
SUN AUG 17th   DROMARA   V   ST JOHNS   KILCOO   1.00PM   P D DOYLE
   GLENN   V   ST MICHAELS   TULLYLISH   1.00PM   C BRODERICK
   AUGHLISNAFINN   V   BRIGHT   LOUGHINISLAND   1.00PM   P MC CLOREY
   BALLYMARTIN   V   DOWNPATRICK   NEWCASTLE   2.00PM   B RICE
   LIATROIM   V   LONGSTONE   NEWCASTLE   3.30PM   P BRANNIGAN
   SHAMROCKS   V   SAUL   KILCOO   3.00PM   A GRANT
   DUNDRUM   V   BREDAGH   LOUGHINISLAND   3.00PM   G BRANNIGAN
   SAVAL   V   BALLYHOLAND   CLONDUFF   5.30PM   N COUSINS
   KILCOO   V   AN RIOCHT   CLONDUFF   7.00PM   L SMYTH


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 05, 2008, 09:30:10 AM
are we going to be ripped off again for going to watch a club championship game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 05, 2008, 10:10:43 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 05, 2008, 09:05:32 AM
I'd just like to wish Ambrose a speedy recovery.  Anyone know how having your spleen removed would affect a person.  What does a spleen do?  Ambrose had a great year for Down and is a civil lad so once again all the best to him.

We beat Loughinisland last night away from home 10-6 very good result.  Spleen has soemthing to do with cleaning the blood and fighting infections.  If you have it removed you have to take antibiotics for rest of your life as you are susceptible to any infections.  He's a very lucky fella was a real emergency during the night saturday night he actually had to get 6.5 litres of blood given to him, thankfully he's on the road to recovery now!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 05, 2008, 10:33:27 AM
Glad to hear he is on the mend.  That sounds like a real nightmare taking antibiotics for the rest of your days.  :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on August 05, 2008, 10:36:33 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spleen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spleen)

For further info
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on August 05, 2008, 11:25:04 AM
Quote from: behind the wire on August 05, 2008, 09:30:10 AM
are we going to be ripped off again for going to watch a club championship game?
What is the issue? the fact that you might have to pay or the price?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on August 05, 2008, 11:30:42 AM
Was speaking to a medic last night about the spleen and its function.  He says it has a very limited role, similar to the appendix.  Without your spleen you are more at rick of infection etc but it is not a life changing/restricting preocedure.  He should make a full recovery, although that is what will be the hardest.  He says it could take him a year to get back to being normal but that it definitely will happen.

Played Liatrom last night and drew in what was a tough game.  They went 6 points up 5 minutes into the second half after we had probably had 65% of the play.  It took us a while however to counteract Aidan O'Prey at full forward and Paddy Pearse at 11.  Conor Daly came on at half time and we were finally able to make our possession count.  Took the lead with about 5 to go and then missed 4 chances to wrap it up.  Liatrom scored with a free on the stroke of full time and then actually had about 3 minutes of pressure in injury time right around our goal but they never managed to get a shot in.

We should have won the game but would have taken a draw with 25 mintues left.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 05, 2008, 02:46:35 PM
any result from st pauls ardglass last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on August 05, 2008, 02:49:53 PM
St Pauls 0-11 Ardglass 0-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 05, 2008, 03:25:55 PM
any other results from last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 05, 2008, 09:44:03 PM
ACFL Div 1
Clonduff 1 11 Ballyholland 0 10
Saval 1 11 Castlewellan 1 16
Loughinisland 0 06 Longstone 0 10
Liatroim 1 10 Rostrevor 1 10
Kilcoo 1 13 Burren 0 08
Mayobridge 5 12 An Riocht 2 14
ACFL Div 2
Darragh Cross 0 13 Annaclone 4 09
Clanna na Banna  Kilclief OFF
Shamrocks 3 10 Downpatrick 1 06
Ballymartin 2 15 Tullylish 0 09
Warrenpoint 2 16 Dundrum 1 09
ACFL Div 3
Teconnaught 1 04 Glasdrumman 2 10
St Pauls 0 11 Ardglass 0 13
Drumaness 0 10 Glenn 0 10
Drumgath 1 10 Bredagh 1 07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 05, 2008, 09:47:20 PM
Latest ACFL Division 2 Table

Bryansford  15   30
Clann na Banna 14  20
Annaclone  15   20
Warrenpoint  14   18
Shamrocks  15   18
Attical  14   15
Ballymartin  15  15
Darragh Cross  15   13
Downpatrick  13  10
Kilclief   14   7
Tullylish   15  6
Dundrum   15   2

Outstanding Fixtures: Downpatrick v Attical + Downpatrick v Warrenpoint + Kilcief v Banbridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on August 05, 2008, 11:04:30 PM
JHC

Ballela 3.7 Ballygalget 3.7

It was nearly time to hang up the hurl lecale! :D
Playing with the wind we trailed 2.4 to 0.1 after about 15min then pulled it back to 2.6 to 1.2 by half time, we then stuck on a few fellas who hadnt been about much and the game swung in our direction. For one of the fellas it was his first game in 4 years and he scored 2.2 but it could easliy have been 5 goals. Think the replays next Tuesday.

I think Warrenpoint beat Ballyvarley by 2points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 05, 2008, 11:14:20 PM
Has anybody heard tell of Andym from the kingdom recently? Before the league began he was never off this thread! Now no word of him, I wonder why! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 05, 2008, 11:20:07 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on August 05, 2008, 11:14:20 PM
Has anybody heard tell of Andym from the kingdom recently? Before the league began he was never off this thread! Now no word of him, I wonder why! ;D ;D ;D

lol. was thinking the very same after reading the bridge result from last night!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 05, 2008, 11:30:48 PM
Monday 4th August, Div one table

  P    W   D     L   Pts     SD   Teams
15   13   0     2   26     89   Mayobridge
15   10   1     4   21     66   Kilcoo
14     8   2     4   18     10   Rostrevor
15     9   0     6   18       0   Longstone
15     8   1     6   17     33   Castlewellan
15     8   0     7   16     -3   Burren
14     7   2     5   16     -5   Loughinisland
15     8   0     7   16   -15   Clonduff
15     4   2     9   10   -32   Liatroim
14     3   2     9     8   -38   Saval
14     2   2   10     6   -32   Ballyholland
15     2   0   13     4   -73   An Riocht


I am sure Andym will be back soon as championship is next week,
Kilcoo, watch out!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leg End on August 05, 2008, 11:48:53 PM
did st pauls get a bye in the first round of the championship???

do they have a game next weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 06, 2008, 12:39:58 AM
JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
(a) Aughlisnafinn V Breachtain
(b) Droim Bearagh V Naomh Eoin
(c) Gleann V Naomh Michil

the above game will be played on Sunday 17th August

Roinn 1 (Quarter-final)
1 Achadh Dearg V Winners (c)
2 Naomh Pol V Misteiligh an Iuir
3 Baile Choinnleora V Winners (a)
4 Winners (b) V Droim an Easa

Tough draw for St Pauls



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 06, 2008, 08:07:42 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on August 05, 2008, 11:04:30 PM
JHC

Ballela 3.7 Ballygalget 3.7

It was nearly time to hang up the hurl lecale! :D
Playing with the wind we trailed 2.4 to 0.1 after about 15min then pulled it back to 2.6 to 1.2 by half time, we then stuck on a few fellas who hadnt been about much and the game swung in our direction. For one of the fellas it was his first game in 4 years and he scored 2.2 but it could easliy have been 5 goals. Think the replays next Tuesday.

I think Warrenpoint beat Ballyvarley by 2points.

A lot closer than I expected. Ballygalget can alway pull out a few lads for the championship that haven't played in the league all year. Clonduff beat Bredagh IIs 3-15 to 2-6 in terrible conditions in Drumnaquoile. Good to be albe to field two teams for the championship and hopefully we'll be a bit more competitive next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 06, 2008, 09:49:10 AM
Quote from: umpire on August 06, 2008, 12:39:58 AM
JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
(a) Aughlisnafinn V Breachtain
(b) Droim Bearagh V Naomh Eoin
(c) Gleann V Naomh Michil

the above game will be played on Sunday 17th August

Roinn 1 (Quarter-final)
1 Achadh Dearg V Winners (c)
2 Naomh Pol V Misteiligh an Iuir
3 Baile Choinnleora V Winners (a)
4 Winners (b) V Droim an Easa

Tough draw for St Pauls





do you mean the draw as a whole, or our first round game against the Mitchels?
i think we should be able to beat the Mitchels in our first game, and I expect the winners of Glenn/St. Michael's to beat Aghaderg.
We have a win and a draw with Glenn, and have beaten St. Michael's twice this year, so the omens are good, but being championship football, anything can happen, and we won't be taking anything for granted.
We are definately on the toughest side of the draw though!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on August 06, 2008, 10:17:40 AM

I heard about a controversial event regarding Div 4, I wonder can anyone confirm?

The situation is this...  St. Johns are unbeaten and assured of the top promotion spot.   There will be no playoff, with the top 2 teams getting automatic promotion.  The real promotion fight is for second place between Achaderg and Dromara, who are neck and neck.  However, St. Johns were to play Achaderg on Sunday and requested to have the game moved, but Achaderg refused.  St. Johns then did not field, and handed the points to Achaderg and thus damaging Dromara's chance of promotion.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 06, 2008, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: western exile on August 06, 2008, 10:17:40 AM

I heard about a controversial event regarding Div 4, I wonder can anyone confirm?

The situation is this...  St. Johns are unbeaten and assured of the top promotion spot.   There will be no playoff, with the top 2 teams getting automatic promotion.  The real promotion fight is for second place between Achaderg and Dromara, who are neck and neck.  However, St. Johns were to play Achaderg on Sunday and requested to have the game moved, but Achaderg refused.  St. Johns then did not field, and handed the points to Achaderg and thus damaging Dromara's chance of promotion.



this is not a nice thing to happen, especially if it is going to effect Dromara's promotion chances, but i don't think there is anything they can do about it. not sure who the blame can lie with here, Aghaderg for not being willing to move the game, or St. John's for not bothering to field.

i can't be saying anything on this though as we benefitted from Teconnaught not fielding against us last year, which gave us 2 points, and put us above the 30% rule to put us into a relegation play-off battle, and sure we all know what happened with that.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on August 06, 2008, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: western exile on August 06, 2008, 10:17:40 AM

I heard about a controversial event regarding Div 4, I wonder can anyone confirm?

The situation is this...  St. Johns are unbeaten and assured of the top promotion spot.   There will be no playoff, with the top 2 teams getting automatic promotion.  The real promotion fight is for second place between Achaderg and Dromara, who are neck and neck.  However, St. Johns were to play Achaderg on Sunday and requested to have the game moved, but Achaderg refused.  St. Johns then did not field, and handed the points to Achaderg and thus damaging Dromara's chance of promotion.



I may be mistaken,but I think a similar event over non-fielding occurred last year in Div 3,involving Teconnaught and St Paul's. It contributed to the fiasco of Div 3 relegation last year.
Whereas Dromara are understandably angry,St.Johns could have bluffed it and played a shadow team and lost heavily anyway.The current league structures leaves us all open to these type of events.Another scenario that has occurred is teams close to the bottom 4,wanting to lose against the top team to automatically relegate teams below them.
Apparently it was the old chestnut of "one of our boys was getting married and they wouldn't switch it".In each team there is likely to be at least 2 summer weddings each year.If fixtures were glibly allowed to be changed for this there would end up being no games played.I do beleive that the fixtures secretary needs to consider a bye-law,that if there is a wedding directly involving players,that match can be switched back to the Thursday night,as long as 6 weeks notice is given.
If St.John's needed the points I am sure they would have found some way of fielding their strongest team despite the wedding-and to be fair to them,the fact that they didn't need to is a reflection of their dominance this year.However,failure to field is very much against the spirit of the game,and if it directly disadvantages a neighbouring club it is obviously going to stir up strong feelings.Given this event The county board will need to reflect on how it occurred and consider is the sanction for failure to field strong enough?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 06, 2008, 11:33:08 AM
Quote from: stpauls on August 06, 2008, 09:49:10 AM
Quote from: umpire on August 06, 2008, 12:39:58 AM
JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
(a) Aughlisnafinn V Breachtain
(b) Droim Bearagh V Naomh Eoin
(c) Gleann V Naomh Michil

the above game will be played on Sunday 17th August

Roinn 1 (Quarter-final)
1 Achadh Dearg V Winners (c)
2 Naomh Pol V Misteiligh an Iuir
3 Baile Choinnleora V Winners (a)
4 Winners (b) V Droim an Easa

Tough draw for St Pauls





do you mean the draw as a whole, or our first round game against the Mitchels?
i think we should be able to beat the Mitchels in our first game, and I expect the winners of Glenn/St. Michael's to beat Aghaderg.
We have a win and a draw with Glenn, and have beaten St. Michael's twice this year, so the omens are good, but being championship football, anything can happen, and we won't be taking anything for granted.
We are definately on the toughest side of the draw though!

What you mean St. Pauls? Following the quarter finals is there not an open draw for the semi finals or has it been decided that winners of quarter final 1 will play the winners of 2 and the winners of 3 play the winners of four?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 06, 2008, 11:46:51 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on August 06, 2008, 11:33:08 AM
Quote from: stpauls on August 06, 2008, 09:49:10 AM
Quote from: umpire on August 06, 2008, 12:39:58 AM
JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
(a) Aughlisnafinn V Breachtain
(b) Droim Bearagh V Naomh Eoin
(c) Gleann V Naomh Michil

the above game will be played on Sunday 17th August

Roinn 1 (Quarter-final)
1 Achadh Dearg V Winners (c)
2 Naomh Pol V Misteiligh an Iuir
3 Baile Choinnleora V Winners (a)
4 Winners (b) V Droim an Easa

Tough draw for St Pauls





do you mean the draw as a whole, or our first round game against the Mitchels?
i think we should be able to beat the Mitchels in our first game, and I expect the winners of Glenn/St. Michael's to beat Aghaderg.
We have a win and a draw with Glenn, and have beaten St. Michael's twice this year, so the omens are good, but being championship football, anything can happen, and we won't be taking anything for granted.
We are definately on the toughest side of the draw though!

What you mean St. Pauls? Following the quarter finals is there not an open draw for the semi finals or has it been decided that winners of quarter final 1 will play the winners of 2 and the winners of 3 play the winners of four?

Minus, i was going by the way the games are listed above, the winners of game 1 play the winners of game 2, and the same with 3 versus 4!! it may not be the case though, i am not sure!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 06, 2008, 01:47:49 PM
What is the penalty for failing to field?

In Antrim it's a £400 fine.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 06, 2008, 02:50:52 PM
I think its £50 quid a game.  If you miss three (?) games you are thrown out of the league and are fined £50 for every game thats left in the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 06, 2008, 03:42:21 PM
If your right it hasn't changed in 20 years Amallon. In Antrim the refs come under pressure to submit a fake report and score line so that clubs can avoid the fines.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 06, 2008, 04:03:32 PM
can anyone shine light on the forth coming fixtures in the county esp div 2 and 3. When will the next week off championship football take place and how will it affect the league fixtures, need to know as we are looking to get flights home for the games and need them booked.
Any help would be appreicated ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 06, 2008, 04:35:05 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 06, 2008, 02:50:52 PM
I think its £50 quid a game.  If you miss three (?) games you are thrown out of the league and are fined £50 for every game thats left in the league.

On Sunday our seconds were due to play Liatriom in the PRC and ou thirds were down to play Mitchells in the RFC... Both teams failed to field !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on August 06, 2008, 04:41:55 PM
can any mitchels posters confirm the date of our championship game, im guessing it will be august 21/22/23/24/25 but any confirmation would be appreciated
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 06, 2008, 10:46:52 PM
Bredagh beat Drumaness by four points tonight to win the East Down minor league for the first time in their history ~ any word of when the draw is for the semis of the MFC ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on August 06, 2008, 10:57:32 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 06, 2008, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: western exile on August 06, 2008, 10:17:40 AM

I heard about a controversial event regarding Div 4, I wonder can anyone confirm?

The situation is this...  St. Johns are unbeaten and assured of the top promotion spot.   There will be no playoff, with the top 2 teams getting automatic promotion.  The real promotion fight is for second place between Achaderg and Dromara, who are neck and neck.  However, St. Johns were to play Achaderg on Sunday and requested to have the game moved, but Achaderg refused.  St. Johns then did not field, and handed the points to Achaderg and thus damaging Dromara's chance of promotion.



I may be mistaken,but I think a similar event over non-fielding occurred last year in Div 3,involving Teconnaught and St Paul's. It contributed to the fiasco of Div 3 relegation last year.
Whereas Dromara are understandably angry,St.Johns could have bluffed it and played a shadow team and lost heavily anyway.The current league structures leaves us all open to these type of events.Another scenario that has occurred is teams close to the bottom 4,wanting to lose against the top team to automatically relegate teams below them.
Apparently it was the old chestnut of "one of our boys was getting married and they wouldn't switch it".In each team there is likely to be at least 2 summer weddings each year.If fixtures were glibly allowed to be changed for this there would end up being no games played.I do beleive that the fixtures secretary needs to consider a bye-law,that if there is a wedding directly involving players,that match can be switched back to the Thursday night,as long as 6 weeks notice is given.
If St.John's needed the points I am sure they would have found some way of fielding their strongest team despite the wedding-and to be fair to them,the fact that they didn't need to is a reflection of their dominance this year.However,failure to field is very much against the spirit of the game,and if it directly disadvantages a neighbouring club it is obviously going to stir up strong feelings.Given this event The county board will need to reflect on how it occurred and consider is the sanction for failure to field strong enough?

I am informed it wasn't even one of the St Johns players who got married, but a relation of a few of the players. As stated above, i'm sure if they had needed the points as strong a team as possible would have been fielded. In the past any team ( Aghaderg in the case) refusing to change a game, made us all the more determined to beat them. But maybe St johns don't fancy another 2 derby games next season!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 06, 2008, 11:59:46 PM
Having taken a few days to get over Saturday, I think we need to take a wider look at the summer campaign. While the Wexford performance was pretty dreadful on almost every front, there is reason to believe that we are still heading in the right direction.

Going into this season, we had not beaten a team regarded as serious provincial contenders in that particular year for almost a decade (since we hammered Tyrone at Casement in 1999). we had failed to put together any sort of run in the qualifiers since their launch in 2001, and we had not played a championship game at Croke Park since 1994.

We have now managed all three objectives, through the Tyrone and arguably the Laois results, getting back to back wins in the qualifiers and having a run-out at HQ as well.

We should never have been favourites against Wexford, as, apart from the second half against Dublin, they have been operating at a much higher level than us over recent years. They stuffed us in the league last spring, before winning the division, and have also been regulars at Croke Park as well.

They also had the benefit of a two-week break, while our boys were out on their feet after hanging on with 14 men against Laois. Hughes in particular looked drained against Wexford, while we cannot expect Gordon to be MoM in every match.

Losing our only two experienced defenders, Cole and Doyle, left us very vulnerable, and McComiskey would also have given us a range of options up front. By the time Ambrose ended up having major surgery, after the other long-term injuries to O'Hanlon, Ciaran McGovern and Rooney, it was pretty clear that we were not having much luck in 2008.

If and when they all return, we now know we can take on at least some of the leading sides, we are capable of coming through the qualifiers with the right draw and we have a much clearer idea about what is required if we ever get back to Croke Park.

I hope that the present management stays in place, despite some of the rumblings in the background, and I believe there are two or three young players out there who could make a real difference to the present squad. Kevin Duffin of Castlewellan  is obviously one, while Peter Fitzpatrick of Ballymartin, if fit, and Kalum King of Bryansford, if committed, should also be in the frame.I think that Brendan McVeigh is a decent keeper who has simply let in too many goals, so I would also give McAllister his chance in nets.

The priority is to get into division two in 2009 and make it to the championship quarter finals within two years. I think we can do it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 07, 2008, 10:39:38 AM
having watched a lot of games this season in division 2 i think the following players wud be worthy of at least getting a trial for the county side in 2009 -

Ciaran Brannigan - Bryansford
Conor Maginn - Bryansford
John Boyle - Warrenpoint
Owen Mageean - Darragh Cross
Kieran Sloan - Kilclief
Banbridge  have 2 very good defenders not sure of their names, corner back and full back.
Peter Fitzpatrick - Ballymartin


anyone else recommend others?
i don't think the whole county is being looked at, there are players at some clubs mentioned above that are better footballers than what was on show at croke park last Saturday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 10:40:43 AM
any odds out for the championship lads, just the senior?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2008, 10:58:39 AM
Ciaran Brannigan was an outstanding minor, and also excellent for the u21s, but it is difficult to see how a player of his size could make an impact in senior county football. His clubmate, Conor Maginn, would be a more serious prospect. John Boyle from the Point got a run before, but also looked too light at county level and dropped out fairly quickly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 11:08:57 AM
I wouldn't say John Boyle got a run?? He got a few outings in the mckenna cup this year I think, where he did ok for the limited time he got.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2008, 11:34:37 AM
Boyle played against Armagh and Derry in the National League last year without really catching the eye. If he has since filled out, and is capable of winning the ball, then he might be worth another look. There are probably others ahead of him in the queue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 11:55:09 AM
Yeah I think he has filled out a bit, was in the sini programme at jordanstown and was hitting the gym etc quite a bit

Be worth another run out surely
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on August 07, 2008, 11:55:21 AM
Awful bad luck on Ambrose this last couple of yrs , hopefully this is the end of it . As POR called him "ferocious big fella" and one we all hope to see back in a Down shirt .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Armagh Exile on August 07, 2008, 12:39:50 PM
What about Mickey Walsh (Mayobrodge)?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2008, 12:50:47 PM
Walsh is a decent player who sometimes lacked confidence and never seemed to have two good games in a row for Down. In 2006, he was MoM against Cavan in the USC preliminary round but was poor in the first round against Donegal and dropped for the qualifier disaster in Sligo. He was pretty ineffective in the 2007 championship as well, and it was not a big surprise when he was left out of this year's squad. However, he was studying in London for much of that period and, now that he is based at home again, and would still only be 26 or 27, I would certainly not rule him out next year. If he shows well for Mayobridge, and still has something to prove at county level, his ability is not in question.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on August 07, 2008, 01:49:59 PM
Walsh would easily be better than most of the current Down forwards. He needs to be brought in next season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on August 07, 2008, 02:07:06 PM
when down played kildare in under21 championship semi final both maginn and brannigan were terrible. neither is good enough. simple.

it is clear from saturday that murney, carr(not a centre half back), mc guigan, fegan, hughes, clarke and murtagh are passengers. if they are marking any sort of decent player they contribute very little. maybe its time to look to the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on August 07, 2008, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: islandboy on August 07, 2008, 02:07:06 PM
when down played kildare in under21 championship semi final both maginn and brannigan were terrible. neither is good enough. simple.

You judging on one day then?

Quote from: islandboy on August 07, 2008, 02:07:06 PM
it is clear from saturday that murney, carr(not a centre half back), mc guigan, fegan, hughes, clarke and murtagh are passengers. if they are marking any sort of decent player they contribute very little. maybe its time to look to the future.

Is this Carr that saved you from further embarassment with his frees and was decent from open play as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on August 07, 2008, 02:42:21 PM
There is no doubt that Walsh is one of the best forwards in Down.  I believe that it was a move by Ross to signal his ruthlessness as a manager to all the other players.  As in, no-one is safe.  No matter who you are, you could be dropped if you dont perform.  I really do believe that this is what happened.  I also believe that Ross will bring Walsh back into the fold next year.

John Boyle i am not so sure about.  He seems to me to be a luxury type player who will play well when the team is going well, but will he do the donkey work when required!!!  Perhaps.

Duffin is a good player.  He plays Centre back but his game is all about playing the ball first time into the forward line.  Could be a good option.  

Brannigan i think is too small.  He is a good club player but would struggle against County teams.

We did have quite a good year under Ross and he definitely deserves another go at it.  Yes Saturday was a big let down, but you cannot compensate for experienced players being so nervous they couldnt even hold the ball.  Gordon of all people, who had a fantastic year, even he had a stinker.  Hopefully if they get back to Croke Park again the boys can use it to their advantage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2008, 02:51:52 PM
I would not argue with Islandboy about Fegan and McGuigan, as there is little evidence that they are county standard. Murtagh has only ever played well for Down in flashes over many years. Apart from the Offaly game, when he was given an incredible amount of room, Murtagh has been disappointing all this summer.

Murney only made his championship debut this year, and, while he struggled badly in Omagh, he improved considerably in the qualifiers and was by no means our worst defender against Wexford. He is worth another season at least.

Hughes has become an enigma, brilliant in one game and anonymous the next. He ran himself into the ground against Laois, and had then looked exhausted mentally and physically against Wexford. He probably needs to be held back in the league, but someone with his pace and ability must deliver the goods in the championship at some stage.

Clarke is perhaps paying a price for his versatility, as he seems to pop up in a different position for Down every year. Wing forward might be his best bet next time.

Carr is a quality wing back who was forced to play at centre half because of injuries. His free taking alone - 23 kicks converted in his last five championship matches - would guarantee his place alone.

I felt that Brannigan and Maginn were both impressive throughout our u21 run in the spring, although they did not have their best games, like most of their colleagues, against Kildare. Brannigan, as already discussed, would be very small for county football, but Maginn is worth a look. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on August 07, 2008, 02:55:21 PM
Will King get a run next year? Revert to the  big man on the square?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on August 07, 2008, 03:28:00 PM

Carr is a forward.

It would be refreshing for down to have a half forward who would kick pass the ball rather than consider it as his job to solo down blind allys evrey time they get the ball.
coulter would see the benefit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on August 07, 2008, 03:57:14 PM
I thought this thread was for Down CLUB hurling and football!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2008, 04:01:34 PM
This thread has always been for both club and county football, so perhaps its title should be changed. Carr played in the half-forward line last summer, and things did not work out for him in the crunch games against Monaghan and Meath. Coulter's supply in both those matches was very limited. By contrast, Carr looked an accomplished and confident figure at half back throughout this season. If Duffin or someone similar brings in a more physical presence alongside him, he could be even better next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on August 07, 2008, 04:06:32 PM
corn02 - aiden carr was good from frees on saturday but missed a real easy one in first half.He was terrible from play, he got roasted and he is not a defender. his best position is wing half forward yet ross played him centre half back, the spare man helping the full back line. we just dont have enough good players in down to mount a serious challenge. end of story. also thought hughes was worst forward after fegan in laois game when the rest had a field day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on August 07, 2008, 04:21:45 PM

Carr looks like a fine footballer but he's not a defender. as a half back your first job is to take care of your man (alien concept in down i know). colfer had a hell of a game for wexford last week and its not the first time he's struggled defensively.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2008, 04:34:54 PM
It's hardly surprising to find your half-back line struggling when you are being cleaned out at midfield. McGuigan is pretty clearly not a defender anyway, and Murphy was disappointing against Wexford by his usual high standards. That left Carr to try and hold the line together, and he did a decent job in difficult circumstances. Criticising him for missing one free when he has put over 23 others in his last five games is a bit rich. After Dan, he has probably been our player of the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on August 07, 2008, 04:41:36 PM
Got to agree with Uladh, Carr looks more like a half forward than a half back. The problem with the current panel is that we have 29 forwards and only 1 back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on August 07, 2008, 05:05:01 PM
mourne rover - next best player to dan? are you serious?carr was lucky to be on the pitch after first half in omagh. had a good game in replay, against armagh he was terrible, against offally Dj could have played well, against laois he did very little bar frees and against wexford he was woeful.   you must have been watching  different games to me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on August 07, 2008, 05:24:44 PM
Quote from: islandboy on August 07, 2008, 05:05:01 PM
mourne rover - next best player to dan? are you serious?carr was lucky to be on the pitch after first half in omagh. had a good game in replay, against armagh he was terrible, against offally Dj could have played well, against laois he did very little bar frees and against wexford he was woeful.   you must have been watching  different games to me.

Think you are being extremely harsh on Carr, only his 2nd season in county football 1st year he played CHF. this year he played WHB. then when Doyle went out injured he moved in to CHB.  I was very impressed with him at WHB.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 07, 2008, 05:29:40 PM
Carr done very well this year and was one of our better players.  He should have a long future ahead in a Down jersey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 06:01:58 PM
Far too much criticism of Carr on here. As millkman has said its only his second full season, and has to be remembered he was away for the start of the season as well so had to catch up on the months of work the rest of the squad had put in.

I would say that after dan, and benny in glimpses, he would be the next best player this season.

his record from frees speaks for itself, and even the best will put a few wide, you cant hit them all

his play as well was much improved this year, he has always been a classy well composed footballer and showed it this year, a good understanding had started to develop between him and doyle until he got injured. He will be in a down shirt for years to come thats for sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 07, 2008, 06:42:15 PM
Think Carr is getting alot of criticism here, he had played well again Tyrone twice at wing half back, had two great games against Offaly & Laois! He might have had a bad day on sat but he is still a good option at wing half back! He was the only one trying his hardest to get the ball in to Benny! But it goes back to the way Benny was being marked, he was being doubled teamed for the whole first half and when Down changed it at half time they reverted to running at the Wexford defence and not putting the long ball in! 

McGuigan is def a weak link, watched the game on setanta the other night, he gave away 5 balls in a row and lost posession three times from a tackle. Still cant believe there was 5 Shamrocks men on the panel, well 4 and Brendy Loughran!
Kevin Duffin def an option for centre half or left half back, watched him again the bridge last thurs night, very impressed by him big strong lad, both footed and a good head on his shoulders! (Just needs a haircut)

Still think Down had a good enough season, gives them something to build on for next year, still a young team remember!
Luke howard has to be the find of the year, another one or two nice finds next year and we'll be flying!

Oh aye, we forgot about McComiskey, he would have been an option on sat! Although when you cant get the ball into Clarke or Coulter he prob wouldn't have counted!

So lets be on the lookout for a few half forwards! :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mixer boy on August 07, 2008, 06:46:36 PM
is there any word of when the draw is for the minor championships. A and B
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 06:59:39 PM
Was there really 5 shamrocks players?!

:o

DJ needs to take of those tinted glasses and wise himself up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2008, 07:48:44 PM
As far as I know, there were three Shamrocks players on the championship panel of 30 - the two Raffertys and McGuigan. There were also a number of players on stand-by, including Davey.

It's a bit difficult to believe that posters on this board are ready to have a go at Aidan Carr, but I suppose that goes with the territory when your father is the manager. He did struggle in the first half in Omagh, like every other Down player, but he settled after the break and was excellent in the replay. I thought he did reasonably well against Armagh, on a day when the suspension of Cole and the injury to Doyle left us even more vulnerable than usual at the back. He was impressive against Offaly and most people believe he also did very well when we were under intense pressure against Laois. I reckon he was our best player by a distance against Wexford.

However, the question for Islandboy is this. If Carr was not one of our two best performers this summer, then who, apart from Dan, had a better season than he did ? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 08:13:25 PM
Its just typical the way sons of managers get treated, sure the kernans were no good til big joe left!

The amount of players that did badly for down this year and aidan is singled out, get a grip island boy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 07, 2008, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 06:59:39 PM
Was there really 5 shamrocks players


It is hard to believe concidering shamrocks are shite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on August 07, 2008, 11:35:00 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 07, 2008, 08:13:25 PM
Its just typical the way sons of managers get treated, sure the kernans were no good til big joe left!

The amount of players that did badly for down this year and aidan is singled out, get a grip island boy

That is not really the story with the Kernans ONL, it was a bit more complex than that.

Downs three best players this year in order:
1 - Gordon
2- Coulter
3- Carr.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2008, 11:51:57 PM
Coulter had a good season, with another four goals (and five assists) to add to his outstanding championship record. It did not really happen for him against Armagh, and we could not get the ball to him in the Wexford match. Luke Howard also did very well, although his first half in Omagh and his second half in Croke Park showed his inexperience.  Carr was probably just a little more consistent than either of them and his free-taking was top drawer. However, there's no doubt that Dan was the man this summer. It's just a pity that he could not find his best form on the biggest stage. He would not have won an All Star, but he probably lost the chance of a nomination as a result of the Wexford game. With a bit of luck, he might at least get the Ulster equivalent. Carr and Coulter should be in the reckoning there as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on August 08, 2008, 09:17:33 AM
mourne rover - ambrose had an excellent year as well as did luke howard bar saturday. not picking on carr because he is managers son . i just dont think he is a defender and could not believe ross played him centre half back. if playing him in defence he should play wing half and murphy should have been centre half back. still think grant is as good as any of them but that is for another day. actually think carr is  a good player but as i stated in my first post , not a no 6.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 08, 2008, 10:05:01 AM
i disagree that Dan was Downs best player this season.
Very good in Omagh and Park Esler
Poor in Clones
Good in Offaly
Stupid in Portlaoise
Awful at Croker

I think Aidan Carr was more consistent or even Ambrose altho he missed a game or two
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on August 08, 2008, 10:06:45 AM
Dundrumite asked a few weeks ago was there anything more said about the Warrenpoint player (Ryan Mallon) and the 'assault' at the Belmont in Banbridge that was supposed to have happened, and i'm sure most of you read it in the Irish News or a local paper and maybe even heard his father on the radio given off.
If any of yous have seen the Irish news today, the banbridge chronicle this week or the newry reporter yous will realise that the reason this story died a death in terms of media coverage was because not only was no Clann na Banna player or any one connected with he club involved in the assault but no actual assault took place whatsoever, and was a complete lie.
Think its an absolute disgrace this happened and dragged not only the name of Clann na Banna through the mud but the GAA in general.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 08, 2008, 12:57:51 PM
Quote from: maldini on August 08, 2008, 10:05:01 AM
i disagree that Dan was Downs best player this season.
Very good in Omagh and Park Esler
Poor in Clones
Good in Offaly
Stupid in Portlaoise
Awful at Croker

I think Aidan Carr was more consistent or even Ambrose altho he missed a game or two

Ambrose didn't miss any championship games, played second half against Tyrone and then every minute Down played from then on in the championship he was on the field.  Even when he was hardly fit to stand in the last few mins last sunday he chose not to come off as he knew down had used all their subs!  As for Aidan Carr he can hold his head up high he played well in the down jersey this year and this ridiculing the managers son crap is bulls**t!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 08, 2008, 01:35:54 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on August 08, 2008, 10:06:45 AM
Dundrumite asked a few weeks ago was there anything more said about the Warrenpoint player (Ryan Mallon) and the 'assault' at the Belmont in Banbridge that was supposed to have happened, and i'm sure most of you read it in the Irish News or a local paper and maybe even heard his father on the radio given off.
If any of yous have seen the Irish news today, the banbridge chronicle this week or the newry reporter yous will realise that the reason this story died a death in terms of media coverage was because not only was no Clann na Banna player or any one connected with he club involved in the assault but no actual assault took place whatsoever, and was a complete lie.
Think its an absolute disgrace this happened and dragged not only the name of Clann na Banna through the mud but the GAA in general.

Danny mac think that fella played against us the other night. Should make for an interesting first round of championship between the two teams. :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on August 08, 2008, 01:56:56 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 08, 2008, 01:35:54 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on August 08, 2008, 10:06:45 AM
Dundrumite asked a few weeks ago was there anything more said about the Warrenpoint player (Ryan Mallon) and the 'assault' at the Belmont in Banbridge that was supposed to have happened, and i'm sure most of you read it in the Irish News or a local paper and maybe even heard his father on the radio given off.
If any of yous have seen the Irish news today, the banbridge chronicle this week or the newry reporter yous will realise that the reason this story died a death in terms of media coverage was because not only was no Clann na Banna player or any one connected with he club involved in the assault but no actual assault took place whatsoever, and was a complete lie.
Think its an absolute disgrace this happened and dragged not only the name of Clann na Banna through the mud but the GAA in general.

Danny mac think that fella played against us the other night. Should make for an interesting first round of championship between the two teams. :o
Just reading that Derry co Board are going after Conway and Gilligan for bringing the association into disrepute. If there is no foundation to the story above you would imagine there would be an even bigger case for Down to bring a charge against this guy for similarly bringing the association into disrepute. Absolutely scandolous if this is not pursued
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on August 08, 2008, 02:03:32 PM
My top 3 players this summer were, Dan, Luke Howard and Paul Murphy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 08, 2008, 02:04:13 PM
surely an apology to the clan na bana club should have been given??  totally unacceptable behaviour!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 08, 2008, 02:05:17 PM
my top three. 
1. Dan
2.  Ambrose
3. brendy mac.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 08, 2008, 02:52:47 PM
my top three 1. Benny 2. Dan 3. Carr...... anyone who dos nt want to watch Armagh tommorrow should come over to the Bridge tommorrow at 2 for the ACMFC replay between ourselves and Kilcoo.. the first game was a cracker with the Bridge lucky to salvage a draw at the end.. It should be an interesting game with the Bridge probably favourites as they are home and the game is being playing on a Gaelic football pitch as oppossed to a tennis court ;D.. call into the club after for a few drinks to catch the end of the game and the whole Kerry v Galway game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on August 08, 2008, 03:24:50 PM
Quote from: maldini on August 08, 2008, 10:05:01 AM
i disagree that Dan was Downs best player this season.
Very good in Omagh and Park Esler
Poor in Clones
Good in Offaly
Stupid in Portlaoise
Awful at Croker

I think Aidan Carr was more consistent or even Ambrose altho he missed a game or two

As in the Armagh match, Gordon destroyed Armagh that day, catch a grip ffs, he was easily the best Down player on the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on August 08, 2008, 05:11:10 PM
was playing in a thirds game last night and in the middle off the game was running past the ref and he was on the phone could not believe it its a joke what some refs get away with
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on August 08, 2008, 05:19:41 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 08, 2008, 01:35:54 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on August 08, 2008, 10:06:45 AM
Dundrumite asked a few weeks ago was there anything more said about the Warrenpoint player (Ryan Mallon) and the 'assault' at the Belmont in Banbridge that was supposed to have happened, and i'm sure most of you read it in the Irish News or a local paper and maybe even heard his father on the radio given off.
If any of yous have seen the Irish news today, the banbridge chronicle this week or the newry reporter yous will realise that the reason this story died a death in terms of media coverage was because not only was no Clann na Banna player or any one connected with he club involved in the assault but no actual assault took place whatsoever, and was a complete lie.
Think its an absolute disgrace this happened and dragged not only the name of Clann na Banna through the mud but the GAA in general.

Danny mac think that fella played against us the other night. Should make for an interesting first round of championship between the two teams. :o

He has been playing away for a while now, some career threatening injury he had!!!
The other point players said from the start they knew he was talkin sh*t
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on August 08, 2008, 05:21:05 PM
Quote from: upthehoops on August 08, 2008, 01:56:56 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 08, 2008, 01:35:54 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on August 08, 2008, 10:06:45 AM
Dundrumite asked a few weeks ago was there anything more said about the Warrenpoint player (Ryan Mallon) and the 'assault' at the Belmont in Banbridge that was supposed to have happened, and i'm sure most of you read it in the Irish News or a local paper and maybe even heard his father on the radio given off.
If any of yous have seen the Irish news today, the banbridge chronicle this week or the newry reporter yous will realise that the reason this story died a death in terms of media coverage was because not only was no Clann na Banna player or any one connected with he club involved in the assault but no actual assault took place whatsoever, and was a complete lie.
Think its an absolute disgrace this happened and dragged not only the name of Clann na Banna through the mud but the GAA in general.

Danny mac think that fella played against us the other night. Should make for an interesting first round of championship between the two teams. :o
Just reading that Derry co Board are going after Conway and Gilligan for bringing the association into disrepute. If there is no foundation to the story above you would imagine there would be an even bigger case for Down to bring a charge against this guy for similarly bringing the association into disrepute. Absolutely scandolous if this is not pursued

ya would think so
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on August 08, 2008, 05:32:49 PM
Quote from: superblues on August 08, 2008, 05:11:10 PM
was playing in a thirds game last night and in the middle off the game was running past the ref and he was on the phone could not believe it its a joke what some refs get away with

That's pretty impressive multi-tasking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 08, 2008, 05:33:59 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 08, 2008, 02:52:47 PM
It should be an interesting game with the Bridge probably favourites as they are home and the game is being playing on a Gaelic football pitch as oppossed to a tennis court ;D

OI!!!


Cheeky shite ye!  :D



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on August 08, 2008, 05:56:47 PM
Quote from: superblues on August 08, 2008, 05:11:10 PM
was playing in a thirds game last night and in the middle off the game was running past the ref and he was on the phone could not believe it its a joke what some refs get away with

This has to be a lie. When did you ever see any thirds player run past anyone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on August 08, 2008, 06:01:08 PM
well walked past him then ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 08, 2008, 09:39:05 PM
Darragh Cross 3-12 Tullylish 1-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on August 08, 2008, 09:44:09 PM
Dromara 0-5  St Johns 1-11
St Johns managed to field a full strength team tonight. With up to 15 subs.
i still find it strange how they were unable to field a team at all last week against Aghaderg.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 08, 2008, 10:36:17 PM
We beat town by 1
ford hammered shamrocks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 08, 2008, 10:38:57 PM
Bredagh bt Glenn by 10 or maybe 11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on August 08, 2008, 10:44:16 PM
Annaclone 2-9 Attical 0-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 08, 2008, 11:00:56 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 08, 2008, 02:04:13 PM
surely an apology to the clan na bana club should have been given??  totally unacceptable behaviour!!

apology. that'll be the day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on August 08, 2008, 11:08:55 PM
Just a quick question on rules.
Does a team have to begin the game with 6 defenders, 2 midfielders and 6 forwards in position?
I asked because i noticed Dromara lined out with a sweeper wearing number 12 but lined out in front of the full back line. The ref    ( A Grant) refused to start the game until he moved back into the half-forward position. Can anyone clear this up??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on August 08, 2008, 11:21:31 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on August 08, 2008, 11:08:55 PM
Just a quick question on rules.
Does a team have to begin the game with 6 defenders, 2 midfielders and 6 forwards in position?
I asked because i noticed Dromara lined out with a sweeper wearing number 12 but lined out in front of the full back line. The ref    ( A Grant) refused to start the game until he moved back into the half-forward position. Can anyone clear this up??

Don't know the exact ruling but the referee in Croke Park last Saturday didn't make Wexford line out in the traditional formation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mixer boy on August 08, 2008, 11:22:35 PM
as far as i can remember wexford did the same in the game in croker so im persuming there is nothing wrong with it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 08, 2008, 11:41:26 PM
b'holland  2.09
'bridge    1.21
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 09, 2008, 12:47:47 AM
latest div 3 tables, well i think

Played Won Drew Lost Points
  Ard Ghlais  19  15  1  3  31 
  An Ghlasdromainn  19  14  2  3  30 
  Breadach  18  12  2  4  26 
  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh  18  12  1  5  25 
  Droim Gath  18  9  3  6  21 
  Droim an Easa  19  9  3  7  21 
  Naomh Pól  18  6  3  9  15 
  Gleann  19  5  5  9  15 
  Naomh Michil  18  5  4  9  14 
  Sabhall Padraig  17  6  0  11  12 
  Tí Chonnachta  18  5  1  12  11 
  Naomh Eoin Bosco  18  4  1  13  9 
  Misteiligh an Iuir  17  2  2  13  6 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 09, 2008, 07:19:53 AM
According to the rule book A Grant was right. Where players go after the ball is thrown in is none of his concern but they are suppose to line out in the traditional manner at the start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 09, 2008, 11:04:11 AM
Friday 8th Aug, Div one table

P   W   D     L   Pts     SD   Teams
16   14   0     2   28     98   Mayobridge
16   11   1     4   23     67   Kilcoo
16     9   0     7   18       7   Burren
15     8   2     5   18       6   Rostrevor
16     9   0     7   18     -5   Longstone
16     9   0     7   18   -11   Clonduff
16     8   1     7   17     32   Castlewellan
15     7   3     5   17     -5   Loughinisland
15     4   2     9   10   -33   Saval
16     4   2   10   10   -42   Liatroim
15     2   2   11     6   -41   Ballyholland
16     2   1   13     5   -73   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 09, 2008, 11:22:49 AM
Longstone 0 11 Saval 0 16
Rostrevor 1 10 Clonduff 1 14
An Riocht 1 13 Loughinisland 2 10
Liatroim 0 09 Burren 2 13
Ballyholland  2 09 Mayobridge 1 21
Castlewellan 0 10 Kilcoo 0 11

ACFL Div 2
Downpatrick v Clann na Banna OFF
Tullylish 1 06 Darragh Cross 3 13
Bryansford 0 16 Shamrocks0 05
Annaclone 2 08 Attical0 08
Kilclief v Warrenpoint OFF

ACFL Div 3
St Pauls v SaulOFF
Drumaness 1 11 Bosco 1 10
Drumgath 1 08 Carryduff3 08
Mitchels 0 08 Glasdrumman 3 16
Bredagh 1 15 Glenn 1 05

ACFL Div 4
Ballykinlar v Aghaderg( MON)
Dromara 0 05 St Johns 1 11
Bright 4 12 Aughlisnafinn 0 08

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on August 09, 2008, 11:27:41 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 09, 2008, 07:19:53 AM
According to the rule book A Grant was right. Where players go after the ball is thrown in is none of his concern but they are suppose to line out in the traditional manner at the start.
Thank you for clearing that. So the Dromara guy began the game offside. I never realise there was an offside rule in gaelic football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 09, 2008, 03:42:12 PM
farcical scenes at the end of the minor match in the bridge.  match ended in a draw again,  extra time should have been played,  kilcoo refused to play extra time and walked off the field.  joke!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 09, 2008, 03:51:53 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 09, 2008, 03:42:12 PM
farcical scenes at the end of the minor match in the bridge.  match ended in a draw again,  extra time should have been played,  kilcoo refused to play extra time and walked off the field.  joke!

what will happen? surely if there should have been extra time and Kilcoo left the field them mayobridge should be awarded the game. can any refs say what the correct procedure should be.

when is the draw for the semis?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 09, 2008, 04:41:46 PM
The story I hear is Kilcoo have 3 players on holidays and didn't want to play the extra time as they will be back for the replay.  When Down and Tyrone drew in Newry why didn't Tyrone refuse to play and demand that there be a replay in a neutral venue.  Is there some precedent in this? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 09, 2008, 05:00:34 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 09, 2008, 03:42:12 PM
farcical scenes at the end of the minor match in the bridge.  match ended in a draw again,  extra time should have been played,  kilcoo refused to play extra time and walked off the field.  joke!
The referee has alot to answer for here, Sean Rooney was there and told the ef extra time, he says he wasn't aware of this as he was under pressure from Kilcoo! JOKE!
Not good enough!! They cant get away with this, but prob will!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on August 09, 2008, 06:16:12 PM
if kilcoo get away with this its a joke the ref said he was not told off extra time just shows the type of refs we have in down is he stupid or what as said before rooney was there walked on the pitch and told him kilcoo managers were in the refs ear then they all walk off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 09, 2008, 06:41:19 PM
Ref should have thrown the ball in. In Kilcoo were in the changing rooms tough luck. It happened in Croke Pk when Cork refused to play extra time v the Dubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on August 09, 2008, 06:53:23 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 09, 2008, 03:42:12 PM
farcical scenes at the end of the minor match in the bridge.  match ended in a draw again,  extra time should have been played,  kilcoo refused to play extra time and walked off the field.  joke!
apparently some of the crowd were in a hurry to get home
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8891.0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 09, 2008, 07:42:09 PM
Quote from: SCENTOFSAM on August 09, 2008, 06:53:23 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 09, 2008, 03:42:12 PM
farcical scenes at the end of the minor match in the bridge.  match ended in a draw again,  extra time should have been played,  kilcoo refused to play extra time and walked off the field.  joke!
apparently some of the crowd were in a hurry to get home
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8891.0

:D :D :D
players being on holiday is no excuse , mayobridge should be awarded the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 09, 2008, 08:26:42 PM
Kilcoo should be thrown out no questions.  The young Kilcoo players deserved better from their own management.  They have a fine team and the game was still anybody's.  They had a man sent off near the end of normal time and would have been back to 15 for extra time, Ryan Brady was off injured for the Bridge which was a massive blow for us.  If they lose this in the board room they can point the blame squarely at their management team who should have had the confidence in their players to let them play extra time.  If you are drawn out first in a championship draw you get the benefit of a home tie, 90% of championship games don't need a second fixture.  Kilcoo were happy enough with the home draw in the first round, they should have been prepared to accept the possibility of playing extra time in any possible rematch.

By the way it was an excellent game of football in front of a big crowd and played by two very talented teams, just a pity it's being overshadowed by this mess which is no fault of either set of players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on August 09, 2008, 08:41:59 PM
There have been a load of E mails flying about and posts on Hoganstand about Portaferry playing Paul Braniff in the IHC against Bredagh. Portaferry did nothing wrong. They played by the rules. Last year Ballygalget played Dingy Coulter in the IHC in similar circumstances.

The rules on Junior and Intermidiate eligibility are set by Croke Park and County Boards can't change them. A Reserve Hurling championship would solve the problem but it would destroy the IHC IMO.

I have to say that Bredagh aren't the club kicking up a fuss. They played the game, lost and got on with it. It seems to be Newry that complain about things all the time. If they can't beat the best team in the competition you don't deserve to win it IMO.

Ballycran have at least 40 players getting no championsip hurling this year because we won the IHC last year. Our juniors can't even enter the JHC. That's no way to promot hurling in the county and it needs to be sorted out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 09, 2008, 10:03:37 PM
We don't have to worry about county football for another five months, but there were some lessons on display on Croke Park today. The main one was that, although we were dire by any standards last week, we were beaten by a very fine team.

Wexford have been championship regulars on Croke Park for the last few seasons, have beaten us comfortably home and away in the league over the last two years and won the 2008 division three in which we were lucky to finish third. It was amazing that we were odds-on favourites last Saturday, and it was a classic case of a team being ranked on its reputation from more than a decade ago.

Our defence has shown at least some signs of improvement this year, but it could not cope with the loss of Doyle and Cole. If they are both back next summer, if Howard and Turley continue to develop, if Carr and Murphy play to their potential and if Duffin and one or two others can be introduced, there would be the basis for the sort of defensive squad which is required at this level. That's a lot of `ifs', but you have to be an optimist when you follow Down. Throw in Ambrose and McComiskey, again if fit, and the bitter experience we gained through flopping in our first championship outing at Croke Park for 14 years, and there is a realistic prospect of further progress in 2009.

In other words, Ross and DJ should give it another go. We now know that, regardless of our draw in Ulster, we are capable of a run in the qualifiers. We are at least a year, possibly two, behind Wexford, but they have shown what is possible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on August 10, 2008, 06:03:10 PM
Cant believe that crack from the Kilcoo vs Mayobridge replay!!!  Will be interesting to see what happens. On holidays at moment. What happens now with the draw for semis???????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 10, 2008, 06:07:55 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 09, 2008, 10:03:37 PM
We don't have to worry about county football for another five months, but there were some lessons on display on Croke Park today. The main one was that, although we were dire by any standards last week, we were beaten by a very fine team.

Wexford have been championship regulars on Croke Park for the last few seasons, have beaten us comfortably home and away in the league over the last two years and won the 2008 division three in which we were lucky to finish third. It was amazing that we were odds-on favourites last Saturday, and it was a classic case of a team being ranked on its reputation from more than a decade ago.

Our defence has shown at least some signs of improvement this year, but it could not cope with the loss of Doyle and Cole. If they are both back next summer, if Howard and Turley continue to develop, if Carr and Murphy play to their potential and if Duffin and one or two others can be introduced, there would be the basis for the sort of defensive squad which is required at this level. That's a lot of `ifs', but you have to be an optimist when you follow Down. Throw in Ambrose and McComiskey, again if fit, and the bitter experience we gained through flopping in our first championship outing at Croke Park for 14 years, and there is a realistic prospect of further progress in 2009.

In other words, Ross and DJ should give it another go. We now know that, regardless of our draw in Ulster, we are capable of a run in the qualifiers. We are at least a year, possibly two, behind Wexford, but they have shown what is possible.

The leagues should be trawled through for some decent defenders that can be brought in on a trial basis. Maybe bring Grant back in? Could be worth giving a good few defenders a shot in the mckenna cup again, or even training
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Class of 99 on August 10, 2008, 07:07:24 PM
 Whats the latest on Ambrose?
Wexford proved yesterday that they are capable of beating most teams but AI semi finalists flatters them. I think Down could have   
beat them on any other day. (Could being optimistic) They will definitely not roll over like they did against the Dubs next time out.
Hopefully Ross and DJ aren't thinking of walking away they are definitely making progress.
Half forward line needs looking at for next year as well as the obvious back line.
Heres hoping for promotion to begin with.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 10, 2008, 07:12:53 PM
Ross and DJ to get another year surely, a lot of progress was made this year despite staying in div 3

At the start of the year there was all the talk about downs forward unit and how good they are, at the end of the year now who of them really performed?? Benny showed genius in flashes, the others played in fits and bursts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on August 10, 2008, 08:35:38 PM
Reports of our improvement are greatly exaggerated, unless we unearth some talent we are going nowhere, agree Ross should stay but dont expect him to whistle without an upper lip
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on August 10, 2008, 10:24:55 PM
Pangurban, even you will have to admit that there has been a small improvment in Down football this summer. If we are to bejudged on nothing else then let us be judged on the game against Tyrone. We stood up to be counted, when in previous years we would have buckled. Granted we are still naive, especially at the back, but a similar improvment next year will see us in an Ulster Final. There is still some young talent to come in to the squad and maybe we will also get rid of some of the dead wood.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pintsofguinness on August 10, 2008, 10:26:41 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on August 10, 2008, 08:35:38 PM
Reports of our improvement are greatly exaggerated, unless we unearth some talent we are going nowhere, agree Ross should stay but dont expect him to whistle without an upper lip
Couldnt agree more. In fact they're funny.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on August 10, 2008, 11:59:27 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 10, 2008, 10:26:41 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on August 10, 2008, 08:35:38 PM
Reports of our improvement are greatly exaggerated, unless we unearth some talent we are going nowhere, agree Ross should stay but dont expect him to whistle without an upper lip
Couldnt agree more. In fact they're funny.
Is ther no way of keeping w***ers like this off the thread.
I would have though the great under achievers would have enough to be getting on with. There was that much weeping and crying in Dublin on Saturday that the streets flooded and there land slides all the way along the M1.
word has it that football was only invented in 2002 but surely with that downpour and mid afternoon darkening of the sky the world ended yesterday at the hand of Mattie.
Have never heard as much whinging and blame being apportioned by supporters even though the players seemed to accept their shortcomings.
Time to take a reality check
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pintsofguinness on August 11, 2008, 12:02:40 AM
QuoteIs ther no way of keeping w***ers like this off the thread.
Is there any call for that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 11, 2008, 06:46:17 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 11, 2008, 12:02:40 AM
QuoteIs ther no way of keeping w***ers like this off the thread.
Is there any call for that?

not really in fairness, u shouldnt be taken seriously your comment was pretty funny
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on August 11, 2008, 08:53:05 AM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 11, 2008, 12:02:40 AM
QuoteIs ther no way of keeping w***ers like this off the thread.
Is there any call for that?
Apologies for any offence caused
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 11, 2008, 11:27:20 AM
19 games are liisted for this weekend's Down championship.

Let have your prediction on this thread. Minus15 and Umpire  has already selected their choices
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 11, 2008, 11:47:22 AM
My selection as below

SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford; castlewellan
Burren v Attical; Burren
Mayobridge v Clonduff; Mayobridge
Liatroim v Longstone; Longstone
Saval v Ballyholland; ballyholland
Kilcoo v An Riocht; An Riocht
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; loughinisland
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; downpatrick

IFC;
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Ardglass; Ardglass
Kilclief v Teconnaught; Kilclief
Drumgath v Carryduff; Drumgath
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; warrenpoint
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks
Dundrum v Bredagh; Bredagh

JFC
Dromara v St John; St John
Glenn v St Michaels; glenn
Aughlisnafinn v Bright; Bright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 11, 2008, 12:14:11 PM
My predictions as below

SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford; castlewellan
Burren v Attical; Burren
Mayobridge v Clonduff; Mayobridge
Liatroim v Longstone; Longstone
Saval v Ballyholland; ballyholland
Kilcoo v An Riocht; Kilkoo
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; loughinisland
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; Ballymartin

IFC;
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Ardglass; DarraghCross
Kilclief v Teconnaught; Kilclief
Drumgath v Carryduff; Carryduff
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; Banbridge
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks
Dundrum v Bredagh; Bredagh

JFC
Dromara v St John; St John
Glenn v St Michaels; glenn
Aughlisnafinn v Bright; Bright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 11, 2008, 01:15:22 PM
Quote from: general on August 11, 2008, 12:14:11 PM
My predictions as below

SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford; ford
Burren v Attical; Burren
Mayobridge v Clonduff; clonduff
Liatroim v Longstone; Liatroim
Saval v Ballyholland; saval
Kilcoo v An Riocht; Kilkoo
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; rostrevor
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; Ballymartin

IFC;
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Ardglass; DarraghCross
Kilclief v Teconnaught; Kilclief
Drumgath v Carryduff; Carryduff
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; point
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks
Dundrum v Bredagh; dundrum

JFC
Dromara v St John; St John
Glenn v St Michaels; glenn
Aughlisnafinn v Bright; Bright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on August 11, 2008, 01:24:46 PM
Quote from: Class of 99 on August 10, 2008, 07:07:24 PM
Whats the latest on Ambrose?
Wexford proved yesterday that they are capable of beating most teams but AI semi finalists flatters them. I think Down could have  
beat them on any other day. (Could being optimistic) They will definitely not roll over like they did against the Dubs next time out.
Hopefully Ross and DJ aren't thinking of walking away they are definitely making progress.
Half forward line needs looking at for next year as well as the obvious back line.
Heres hoping for promotion to begin with.

Ambrose got home on Friday evening.  Doing well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 11, 2008, 01:31:47 PM
The only prediction I'll make is that Kilclief will beat Teconnaught.

Just for you Number 1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on August 11, 2008, 01:32:35 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 11, 2008, 11:47:22 AM
My selection as below

SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford; castlewellan
Burren v Attical; Burren
Mayobridge v Clonduff; Mayobridge
Liatroim v Longstone; Longstone
Saval v Ballyholland; ballyholland
Kilcoo v An Riocht; An Riocht
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; loughinisland
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; downpatrick

IFC;
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Ardglass; Ardglass
Kilclief v Teconnaught; Kilclief
Drumgath v Carryduff; Drumgath
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; warrenpoint
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks
Dundrum v Bredagh; Bredagh

JFC
Dromara v St John; St John
Glenn v St Michaels; glenn
Aughlisnafinn v Bright; Bright

What evidence is this based on? Surely Kilcoo, who are 2nd in the league, have beat Mayobridge recently, will win this match. An Riocht are having a horrible season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 11, 2008, 01:42:27 PM
Mayobridge, Banbridge and Glenn to win their respective Championships  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 11, 2008, 01:46:35 PM
Quote from: The Corporal on August 11, 2008, 01:32:35 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 11, 2008, 11:47:22 AM
My selection as below

SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford; castlewellan
Burren v Attical; Burren
Mayobridge v Clonduff; Mayobridge
Liatroim v Longstone; Longstone
Saval v Ballyholland; ballyholland
Kilcoo v An Riocht; An Riocht
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; loughinisland
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; downpatrick

IFC;
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Ardglass; Ardglass
Kilclief v Teconnaught; Kilclief
Drumgath v Carryduff; Drumgath
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; warrenpoint
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks
Dundrum v Bredagh; Bredagh

JFC
Dromara v St John; St John
Glenn v St Michaels; glenn
Aughlisnafinn v Bright; Bright

What evidence is this based on? Surely Kilcoo, who are 2nd in the league, have beat Mayobridge recently, will win this match. An Riocht are having a horrible season.


league form goes out the window in championship,  now kingdom have full team back, wee pete will have them well drilled,  plus imo kingdom are better team!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 11, 2008, 01:48:11 PM
My predictions as below

SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford; Bryansford
Burren v Attical; Burren
Mayobridge v Clonduff; Mayobridge
Liatroim v Longstone; Longstone
Saval v Ballyholland; Ballyholland
Kilcoo v An Riocht; Kilkoo
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; Rostrevor
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; Ballymartin

IFC;
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Ardglass; DarraghCross
Kilclief v Teconnaught; Kilclief
Drumgath v Carryduff; Drumgath
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; Banbridge
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks
Dundrum v Bredagh; Bredagh

JFC
Dromara v St John; St John
Glenn v St Michaels; St Micheals
Aughlisnafinn v Bright; Bright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 11, 2008, 02:20:18 PM
SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford;
'Ford have beaten allcomers this season and have a great blend of youth and experience in a squad that's more than a match for Town. But while they've been leading the likes of Dundrum and Tullylish on a merry dance, Town have quietly been building one of the best organised and most consistent sides in the county; one of the few capable of beating Mayobridge. The only way prepare for the Championship is through Division I football, and I'd fancy Castlewellan by 5+.

Burren v Attical;
After last year's disaster in Division I, the men from the mountains have regrouped and are again playing well at Division II level. But unless somebody drives a bus through the Burren changing room and wipes out every defender all the way down to minor level, it's almost impossible to see how Attical's forwards will trouble their illustrious opponent's back line. Burren by 8.

Mayobridge v Clonduff;
We played Clonduff a week or two back and they were far from impressive, but in fairness to them, they have a confidence (arrogance even) about them that told you they were always going to win that match. To their credit, they do have a useful forward line who will do damage if the ball keeps coming in. But the yellas have had some terrible performances in the SFC in recent years, and it's difficult to see how their defence will contain a rampant Mayobridge side that's genuinely at full-strength in terms of personnel and fitness. Bridge's weak link is their midfield, but that won't matter. Mayobridge by 8.

Liatroim v Longstone;
This isn't as clearcut as some might think. Liatroim had a dreadful start to the season and will be without Liam Doyle for the rest of it, but the last month has seen a huge improvement in their performances. They are an ageing team and everyone knows that if you can contain the big three of McCrickard, McCartan and O'Prey, that you're on a winner. But containing them isn't easy. Especially so for Longstone, who for all their attacking prowess, are neither that strong or quick up the middle of defence, and are also without the inspirational Rogers. If 'Stone win 45% of ball in midfield, it should be enough to see them through, but I'm going for Liatroim by a point.

Saval v Ballyholland;
Division I strugglers face-off in a repeat of last year's Division II final. Saval were the better team that day, although the absence of Murtagh from Ballyholland's line-up shouldn't be understated. Saval are a good deal bigger than their opponents and in the form of Hughes, Fallon and Devlin have the pace to ruin a team when they get going. But Harps have gone since May more or less without a number of key players, all of whom should be available on Sunday, and this should help buck their form up a little. This should be very close. Ballyholland by 2.

Kilcoo v An Riocht;
On paper this shouldn't be much of a contest, as on league form An Riocht are struggling badly, Kilcoo and are flying high. For all that, John Clarke is possibly the single most important player to any club in the SFC, and his presence alone should be worth 8 points to the Dunavil men. Throw in a few from Killen, and a few more from the rest, and goal-happy Kilcoo are looking at around 13 points for victory. Will the Kingdom shut out the Magpies by that much? I can't see it. Kilcoo by 6+.

Loughinisland v Rostrevor;
For my money, Loughinisland have the squad, the key players, and the balance of players to challenge for the title outright. But the same could have been said for each of the past four seasons, and apart from one thumping of Ballyholland, the Blues have continually failed to deliver in the Championship. Rostrevor have a huge strength in depth - they've nearly always got players on their bench who would walk into most other teams - but they lack genuine stars, and also lack a settled team. In nearly dethroning the Mayobridge, the Reds showed in last year's first round that they can get up for the Championship, and that should swing this in their favour. Rostrevor by 1.

Ballymartin v Downpatrick;
With much better league form to call upon, much greater strength in depth to utilise, and star man Peter Fitpatrick back from injury, this really should be Ballymartin's day. But last year's IFC final should have been their day too, as should the final of two year's previous - except Downpatrick emerged victorious on both occasions. When put up against it, the Hoops are capable of gelling together a physically strong, athletic XV that know how to play football. There is still an arrogance based on past glories too, which counts for so much in tight games. Whether they can actually do this for Round One of a tournament they have no chance of winning is the big question. Ballymartin by 3.

IFC;
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco
Bosco aren't as bad as league form suggests, but they are a cut below the Annalong men still. Glasdrumman by 8.

Darragh Cross v Ardglass;
Whilst Darragh are capable of winning this competition, Ardglass are more likely to gett thrown out on disciplinary issues. This will be hard-hitting and competitive, but Darragh's class should see them through. Darragh by 5.

Kilclief v Teconnaught;
Teconnaught have a number of good players up the middle, but Kilclief's big, strong men should give them little or no room to practice their wares. Kilclief by 6.

Drumgath v Carryduff;
This could be a really good game, but it could also be a stinker as neither of these sides do the whole consistency things with any sort of consistency. Drumgath have a couple of fine individuals, but Duff's first choice XV is a bit stronger and better balances overall. Carryduff by 2, providing they actually take something resembling a first team along.

Banbridge v Warrenpoint;
Game of the round. Clann na Banna continue to improve every season under Tony Wilson, and most of Division II have now stopped thinking they're going to start slipping up, and stopped fingering their (albeit horrible) homefield advantage for their high position. Warrenpoint are rebuilding with a young team, but in the shape of the Boyle brothers, are always capable of scoring heavily enough to bother anyone at this level. This really is the acid test for Bann. Clann na banna by 1.  

Annaclone v Tullylish;
If they hit top gear at all, Annaclone should win this competition outright without killing themselves. Round One shouldn't even see them break sweat. Annalcone by 10.

Shamrocks v Saul;
Shamrocks have got over their dreadful start to the season. They'll not have it easy against a very competitive Saul side, but class should win through convincingly in the end. Shamrocks by 7.

Dundrum v Bredagh;
Demoralised Dundrum look all out of sorts in Division II, especially without wee McCumiskey. Bredagh have been knocking on Division II's door for a couple of years now, and this is time for them show they are capable of moving up. Breagh by 4.

JFC
Dromara v St Johns
St John's have been producing decent underage teams over the past few years, Dromara haven't. This should play out in this match. St John's by 6.

Glenn v St Michaels;
Probably the best two sides in the competition, and this could go to the wire. Glenn by 1.

Aughlisnafinn v Bright;
I'd put my house on Bright by double figures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 11, 2008, 02:47:02 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2008, 02:20:18 PM
SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford;
'Ford have beaten allcomers this season and have a great blend of youth and experience in a squad that's more than a match for Town. But while they've been leading the likes of Dundrum and Tullylish on a merry dance, Town have quietly been building one of the best organised and most consistent sides in the county; one of the few capable of beating Mayobridge. The only way prepare for the Championship is through Division I football, and I'd fancy Castlewellan by 5+.

Burren v Attical;
After last year's disaster in Division I, the men from the mountains have regrouped and are again playing well at Division II level. But unless somebody drives a bus through the Burren changing room and wipes out every defender all the way down to minor level, it's almost impossible to see how Attical's forwards will trouble their illustrious opponent's back line. Burren by 8.

Mayobridge v Clonduff;
We played Clonduff a week or two back and they were far from impressive, but in fairness to them, they have a confidence (arrogance even) about them that told you they were always going to win that match. To their credit, they do have a useful forward line who will do damage if the ball keeps coming in. But the yellas have had some terrible performances in the SFC in recent years, and it's difficult to see how their defence will contain a rampant Mayobridge side that's genuinely at full-strength in terms of personnel and fitness. Bridge's weak link is their midfield, but that won't matter. Mayobridge by 8.

Liatroim v Longstone;
This isn't as clearcut as some might think. Liatroim had a dreadful start to the season and will be without Liam Doyle for the rest of it, but the last month has seen a huge improvement in their performances. They are an ageing team and everyone knows that if you can contain the big three of McCrickard, McCartan and O'Prey, that you're on a winner. But containing them isn't easy. Especially so for Longstone, who for all their attacking prowess, are neither that strong or quick up the middle of defence, and are also without the inspirational Rogers. If 'Stone win 45% of ball in midfield, it should be enough to see them through, but I'm going for Liatroim by a point.

Saval v Ballyholland;
Division I strugglers face-off in a repeat of last year's Division II final. Saval were the better team that day, although the absence of Murtagh from Ballyholland's line-up shouldn't be understated. Saval are a good deal bigger than their opponents and in the form of Hughes, Fallon and Devlin have the pace to ruin a team when they get going. But Harps have gone since May more or less without a number of key players, all of whom should be available on Sunday, and this should help buck their form up a little. This should be very close. Ballyholland by 2.

Kilcoo v An Riocht;
On paper this shouldn't be much of a contest, as on league form An Riocht are struggling badly, Kilcoo and are flying high. For all that, John Clarke is possibly the single most important player to any club in the SFC, and his presence alone should be worth 8 points to the Dunavil men. Throw in a few from Killen, and a few more from the rest, and goal-happy Kilcoo are looking at around 13 points for victory. Will the Kingdom shut out the Magpies by that much? I can't see it. Kilcoo by 6+.

Loughinisland v Rostrevor;
For my money, Loughinisland have the squad, the key players, and the balance of players to challenge for the title outright. But the same could have been said for each of the past four seasons, and apart from one thumping of Ballyholland, the Blues have continually failed to deliver in the Championship. Rostrevor have a huge strength in depth - they've nearly always got players on their bench who would walk into most other teams - but they lack genuine stars, and also lack a settled team. In nearly dethroning the Mayobridge, the Reds showed in last year's first round that they can get up for the Championship, and that should swing this in their favour. Rostrevor by 1.

Ballymartin v Downpatrick;
With much better league form to call upon, much greater strength in depth to utilise, and star man Peter Fitpatrick back from injury, this really should be Ballymartin's day. But last year's IFC final should have been their day too, as should the final of two year's previous - except Downpatrick emerged victorious on both occasions. When put up against it, the Hoops are capable of gelling together a physically strong, athletic XV that know how to play football. There is still an arrogance based on past glories too, which counts for so much in tight games. Whether they can actually do this for Round One of a tournament they have no chance of winning is the big question. Ballymartin by 3.

IFC;
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco
Bosco aren't as bad as league form suggests, but they are a cut below the Annalong men still. Glasdrumman by 8.

Darragh Cross v Ardglass;
Whilst Darragh are capable of winning this competition, Ardglass are more likely to gett thrown out on disciplinary issues. This will be hard-hitting and competitive, but Darragh's class should see them through. Darragh by 5.

Kilclief v Teconnaught;
Teconnaught have a number of good players up the middle, but Kilclief's big, strong men should give them little or no room to practice their wares. Kilclief by 6.

Drumgath v Carryduff;
This could be a really good game, but it could also be a stinker as neither of these sides do the whole consistency things with any sort of consistency. Drumgath have a couple of fine individuals, but Duff's first choice XV is a bit stronger and better balances overall. Carryduff by 2, providing they actually take something resembling a first team along.

Banbridge v Warrenpoint;
Game of the round. Clann na Banna continue to improve every season under Tony Wilson, and most of Division II have now stopped thinking they're going to start slipping up, and stopped fingering their (albeit horrible) homefield advantage for their high position. Warrenpoint are rebuilding with a young team, but in the shape of the Boyle brothers, are always capable of scoring heavily enough to bother anyone at this level. This really is the acid test for Bann. Clann na banna by 1. 

Annaclone v Tullylish;
If they hit top gear at all, Annaclone should win this competition outright without killing themselves. Round One shouldn't even see them break sweat. Annalcone by 10.

Shamrocks v Saul;
Shamrocks have got over their dreadful start to the season. They'll not have it easy against a very competitive Saul side, but class should win through convincingly in the end. Shamrocks by 7.

Dundrum v Bredagh;
Demoralised Dundrum look all out of sorts in Division II, especially without wee McCumiskey. Bredagh have been knocking on Division II's door for a couple of years now, and this is time for them show they are capable of moving up. Breagh by 4.

JFC
Dromara v St Johns
St John's have been producing decent underage teams over the past few years, Dromara haven't. This should play out in this match. St John's by 6.

Glenn v St Michaels;
Probably the best two sides in the competition, and this could go to the wire. Glenn by 1.

Aughlisnafinn v Bright;
I'd put my house on Bright by double figures.


never thought i would see clann na banna being mentioned as potential intermediate championship winners. warrenpoint will be a tough one though. they are a good side, plus we havent had a game now for a couple of weeks so could be a bit rusty. most people (bar one or two) seem to be tipping the clann for victory which is never a good sign.

wobbler you would think to hear you we played on a donkey field. its too narrow but i wouldnt say it gives us a big advantage. it actually worked against us alot last year. terrible place to watch a match though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 11, 2008, 06:05:46 PM
Current league form in Div one.
Last 5 games

P   W   D   L   Pts     SD   Teams   
5   4   0   1   8     21   Mayobridge   
5   3   1   1   7      1   Liatroim   
5   3   0   2   6     12   Kilcoo   6
5   3   0   2   6     11   Castlewellan
5   3   0   2   6     10   Burren   
5   3   0   2   6      0   Clonduff   
4   1   2   1   4     -3   Loughinisland
5   2   0   3   4   -13   Longstone   
4   1   1   2   3      1   Rostrevor   
5   1   1   3   3     -7   An Riocht   
4   1   0   3   2   -16   Saval   
4   0   1   3   1   -17   Ballyholland   

Two outstanding games
Rostrevor v Loughinisland
Ballyholland v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 11, 2008, 06:27:13 PM
SFC

Bryansford v Castlewellan - Hard one to call. You'd be expecting the Town to be playing the better stuff at this stage. The Ford have coasted Division 2 and have been rarely challenged. However, winning is a habit and one which I can see the Ford maintaining. - Bryansford

Longstone v Liatroim - Id expect the Stone to come unstuck in this one. Ambrose is a monumental loss and the Stone will have no one to contend with O'Prey. Liatroim's confidence is up and I can see them progressing. - Liatroim

Burren v Atticall - Burren should win this one with some to spare. Having James McGovern back is a big plus. Atticall wont have the defenders or attackers capable of holding or threatening the Division 1 side. - Burren

Mayobridge v Clonduff - Wee buns for the Bridge. The margin of victory could be big. Benny and co to triumph again. - Mayobridge.

Ballymartin v Downpatrick - Ballymartin have a fantastic chance of taking the Hoops this time around. They'll need to be at full tilt though. Revenge has to come sometime and Ballymartin's greater hunger will see them through. - Ballymartin

Loughinisland v Rostrevor - Hope Rostrevor beat them but with Dan Gordon in sublime form at the moment I can see the Island emerging. They been generally quite good this year and Rostrevor's lack of a marquee player may see them fall short. - Loughinisland.

Saval v Ballyholland. - Makings of a tight one. The Holland have Murphy and Murtagh in their ranks but Saval should have a clear cut plan which could see them advance. - Saval

An Riocht v Kilcoo - Kilcoo arent a great Championship team. An Riocht are no big shakes. The Magpies should be too pacey in defence and lethal in the forwards. - Kilcoo


IFC

Kilclief v Teconnaught - Easy one for the coasters. They'll be too big and too clever. - Kilclief

Banbridge v Warrenpoint - Banbridge are very well drilled and organised and ive seen both teams in the past couple of weeks. The Point have found a gem in McGarry and Gary Boyle is seriously underated. I just cant see the Banbridge defence coping and the Point are starting to get their act together. - Warrenpoint.

Dundrum v Bredagh - We usually have the upper hand over Bredagh in crunch games, namely the 2005 JFC Semi Final and last year's Division 3 promotion playoffs. However, we are not high on confidence at the moment and this game probably presents Bredagh with a hell of a chance of taking us. - Dundrum

Annaclone v Tullylish - Tullylish are away to fcuk as one of their boys said and Annaclone should take this one without breaking much sweat. With the Farrells and Brendan McArdle to return I really fancy the Clone to be outright winners of the IFC. - Annaclone

Shamrocks v Saul - Nice draw for the Newry men. Should be a good confidence booster for them. - Shamrocks

Drumgath v Carryduff - Drumgath are in transition but can still pack a punch. Carryduff have too many nancy boys and I dont think they will have the guts for a Drumgath raid. - Drumgath

Glasdrumman v Bosco - Bosco are unpredictable. Glassdrumman are a handy enough prospect at this level. The Mourne men should advance but this could be a lot tighter than expected. - Glasdrumman

Darragh Cross v Ardglass - Intriguing game. Ardglass have improved vastly this year but with 6 or 7 players returning from work in the Isle of Man on the day of the game, Darragh must fancy their chances. The Cross are a more settled team and counter attack well. - Darragh Cross


JFC

Glenn v St Michaels - Glenn are poor and lack a real scoring threat. St Michaels have just that in Lavery and Brian Sweeney. The Magheralin men will win this. - St Michaels.

Bright v Aughlisnafin. - The Finn to take an early one point lead before Bright romp home to win by at least 15. - Bright

St Johns v Dromara - Duck Bell has done a great job in improving Dromara's fortunes and this game will have a derby intensity. The Johnnies are on an up and simply they have the better players. Tight one. - St Johns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 11, 2008, 07:50:10 PM
QuoteThe only prediction I'll make is that Kilclief will beat Teconnaught.

Just for you Number 1.

You f**ker!   ;D

For what it's worth.....

SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford; The Ford
Burren v Attical; Burren
Mayobridge v Clonduff; Mayobridge
Liatroim v Longstone; Longstone
Saval v Ballyholland; Draw
Kilcoo v An Riocht; Kilkoo
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; Rostrevor
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; Please God Ballymartin

IFC;
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Ardglass; Ardglass
Kilclief v Teconnaught; No comment
Drumgath v Carryduff; Drumgath
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; The Point
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks by a landslide
Dundrum v Bredagh; Bredagh

JFC
Dromara v St Johns; St Johns, if there are no weddings in the parish
Glenn v St Michaels; Draw
Aughlisnafinn v Bright; Bright

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leg End on August 12, 2008, 12:03:55 AM
Quote from: No1 on August 11, 2008, 07:50:10 PM
QuoteThe only prediction I'll make is that Kilclief will beat Teconnaught.

Just for you Number 1.

You f**ker!   ;D

For what it's worth.....

SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford; The Ford
Burren v Attical; Burren
Mayobridge v Clonduff; Mayobridge
Liatroim v Longstone; Longstone
Saval v Ballyholland; Draw
Kilcoo v An Riocht; Kilkoo
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; Rostrevor
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; Please God Ballymartin

IFC;
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Ardglass; Ardglass
Kilclief v Teconnaught; No comment
Drumgath v Carryduff; Drumgath
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; The Point
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks by a landslide
Dundrum v Bredagh; Bredagh
JFC
Dromara v St Johns; St Johns, if there are no weddings in the parish
Glenn v St Michaels; Draw
Aughlisnafinn v Bright; Bright




Just a couple i disagree with here

Darragh Cross v Ardglass;
Think this one will def go to the cross. ALthough ardglass are going strong in div 3, darragh are making a very good account of themselves in div2 and play much better football. Ardglass will put it up to them and wouldn't be suprised to see 1or2 red'd for either team but think darragh will come out on top on the score board
Darragh by 4

Kilclief v Teconnaught;
I take it your a teconnaught man. Teconnaught will suffer with the loss of a few players but think either way this one would have went to kilcief either way but with a full team teconnaught maybe could have give them a go and stopped an embarrassing score. The young lad bosco(or summat like that) is a livewire that teconnaught miss.
Kilcief by 10

Banbridge v Warrenpoint;
Absolute corker of a draw. THink these two teams would have had a great chance at reaching the final had they not met till then, i think banbridge will win this clash but it will be a close one. Banbridge by 1 or 2

Shamrocks v Saul;
Having talked to a former manager i hear Saul are suffering at the loss of 4or5 (one cornerback, halfback, midfield, and full forward) key first team players otherwise i think they could have give this match a real go allbeit with their poor championship record. The shamrocks should come out on top but think the landslide is unfair. Was also talking to a 'experienced' ;) ;D glassdrumman player and he informed me that saul put up an outstanding battle against them which could have went either way and glassdrumman are a strong outfit. ALthough shamrocks have been gaining momentum recently. Shamrocks by 5

Dundrum v Bredagh;
Bredagh are a very hot and cold team and just couldnt be sure that they will perform on the day. I agree If they dundrum will find it hard to beat them. Although dundrum aren't going that well in div 2 i think the fact that they are coming up against tough opposition week in week out, they will be able to expose the weaknesses of bredagh. They will also know from playing against bredagh last year that jody gormley is their danger man, and not that he scores a great deal he supplies the majority of the scores and if he is stopped so will bredagh be
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 12, 2008, 10:18:14 AM
is there anywhere that does online betting for the down championship games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 12, 2008, 12:00:50 PM
QuoteI take it your a teconnaught man.

Nope, just a worried Cill Cleithe man.

And that was before the wobbler gave us the kiss of death.  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 12, 2008, 12:47:46 PM
My predictions as below

SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford; Ford
Burren v Attical; Burren
Mayobridge v Clonduff; Mayobridge
Liatroim v Longstone; Longstone
Saval v Ballyholland; Ballyholland
Kilcoo v An Riocht; Kilkoo
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; Ballymartin

IFC;
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Ardglass; Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Teconnaught; Kilclief
Drumgath v Carryduff; Drumgath
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; Banbridge
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks
Dundrum v Bredagh; Bredagh

JFC
Dromara v St John; St Johns
Glenn v St Michaels; Glenn
Aughlisnafinn v Bright; Bright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 12, 2008, 01:43:04 PM
Not too many on here giving the Point a chance for Saturday night!

I believe a few people may be suprised come the weekend ! Im going for the Point by at least 4!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on August 12, 2008, 02:17:45 PM
Quote from: guevara on August 12, 2008, 01:43:04 PM
Not too many on here giving the Point a chance for Saturday night!

I believe a few people may be suprised come the weekend ! Im going for the Point by at least 4!!

You havin been readin the thread much have you, the is a good few people who said they fancied the point to win. It will be a tight match so opinion will be split, but it seems to be even enough as to who every1 fancies. Don't think anyone would be surprised if the point won, as everyone who has commented on it has said how tight a game it will be
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on August 12, 2008, 03:48:15 PM

SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford; Ford
Burren v Attical; Burren
Mayobridge v Clonduff; Mayobridge
Liatroim v Longstone; Liatroim
Saval v Ballyholland; Ballyholland
Kilcoo v An Riocht; Kilcoo
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; Rostrevor
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; Dpk

IFC
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Ardglass; Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Teconnaught; Kilclief
Drumgath v Carryduff; Drumgath
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; Warrenpoint
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks
Dundrum v Bredagh; Bredagh

JFC
Dromara v St John; St Johns
Glenn v St Michaels; St Michaels
Aughlisnafinn v Bright; Bright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on August 12, 2008, 04:18:21 PM

SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford; castlewellan
Burren v Attical; Burren
Mayobridge v Clonduff; Mayobridge
Liatroim v Longstone; stone
Saval v Ballyholland; saval
Kilcoo v An Riocht; Kilcoo
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; loughinisland
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; ballymartin

IFC
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Ardglass; ardglass
Kilclief v Teconnaught; Kilclief
Drumgath v Carryduff; Drumgath
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; Warrenpoint
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks
Dundrum v Bredagh; Bredagh

JFC
Dromara v St John; St Johns
Glenn v St Michaels; glenn
Aughlisnafinn v Bright; Bright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 12, 2008, 04:47:44 PM
Quote[You havin been readin the thread much have you, the is a good few people who said they fancied the point to win. It will be a tight match so opinion will be split, but it seems to be even enough as to who every1 fancies. Don't think anyone would be surprised if the point won, as everyone who has commented on it has said how tight a game it will be/quote]

I actually have been reading the forums danny and have to say its only recently few have went with the point even though theyve been going well in Div II.

I think a lot of people semm to basing their opinion on fact the Point were so poor in Div II last year.
This year they are a better team who have been unable to field their best 15 consistently this year due to injuries.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 12, 2008, 06:10:55 PM
SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford; castlewellan
Burren v Attical; Burren
Mayobridge v Clonduff; Mayobridge
Liatroim v Longstone; Longstone
Saval v Ballyholland; Ballyholland
Kilcoo v An Riocht; Kilcoo
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; Ballymartin

IFC;
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Ardglass; Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Teconnaught; Kilclief
Drumgath v Carryduff; Drumgath
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; Draw
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks
Dundrum v Bredagh;  :o

JFC
Dromara v St John; St Johns
Glenn v St Michaels; st michaels
Aughlisnafinn v Bright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on August 12, 2008, 06:28:11 PM
Can't make up your mind on the Finn / Bright tie dundrumite?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 12, 2008, 09:11:11 PM
My treble tip for the championship
Rostrevor to beat L'island
Kilcoo to beat an riocht
Bredagh to beat Dundrum

Cert!!! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 12, 2008, 09:42:26 PM
SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford; castlewellan
Burren v Attical; Burren
Mayobridge v Clonduff; Mayobridge
Liatroim v Longstone; Longstone
Saval v Ballyholland; Ballyholland
Kilcoo v An Riocht; Kilcoo
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; Ballymartin

IFC;
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Ardglass; Ardglass
Kilclief v Teconnaught; Kilclief
Drumgath v Carryduff; Drumgath
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; Banbridge
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks
Dundrum v Bredagh;  Bredagh

JFC
Dromara v St John; St Johns
Glenn v St Michaels; Glenn
Aughlisnafinn v Bright Bright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on August 12, 2008, 09:59:54 PM
Quote from: guevara on August 12, 2008, 04:47:44 PM
Quote[You havin been readin the thread much have you, the is a good few people who said they fancied the point to win. It will be a tight match so opinion will be split, but it seems to be even enough as to who every1 fancies. Don't think anyone would be surprised if the point won, as everyone who has commented on it has said how tight a game it will be/quote]

I actually have been reading the forums danny and have to say its only recently few have went with the point even though theyve been going well in Div II.

I think a lot of people semm to basing their opinion on fact the Point were so poor in Div II last year.
This year they are a better team who have been unable to field their best 15 consistently this year due to injuries.

You said there wasn't too many people giving the point a chance, if you counted them up it would be 50/50 as to who everyone predicts to win, as which is what ya would expect considering there was only a few points between them last year and the same again this year.
Would be very surprised if there have been much teams who have been able to field ther best 15 consistently, i honestly don't remember having our entire squad to pick from in years, definately not in the last years years, we have been cursed with injuries.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 12, 2008, 10:49:09 PM
Has Jackie Lynch injured his shoulder?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on August 12, 2008, 11:46:47 PM
Any hurling results from tonights matches?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 13, 2008, 01:33:55 AM
Danny Im talking about 8 and 9 guys out at a time! of course every club gets injuries but the points just seem to be coming one after the other this year!

Not an excuse just an observation! may the best team win come saturday!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on August 13, 2008, 09:39:14 AM
We're in the same boat, only we have a decent squad this year we would be screwed!!
Does the point injured include the injury sustained in the phantom beating at the belmont? :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 13, 2008, 09:53:25 AM
it couldnt include him sure his career is over as a result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 13, 2008, 10:28:56 AM
Any odds for the weekends matches??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 13, 2008, 01:04:40 PM
Dannymcfella & guevara just curious who are the 8/9 injured on both sides who are or will be missing.Not picking but woulf just like to know.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on August 13, 2008, 01:34:55 PM
JHC

Ballela 1.15 Ballygalget 0.8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on August 13, 2008, 02:52:58 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 13, 2008, 01:04:40 PM
Dannymcfella & guevara just curious who are the 8/9 injured on both sides who are or will be missing.Not picking but woulf just like to know.



We don't have 8 or 9 missing, just saying we have had a sh*t load of injuries this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 13, 2008, 03:40:43 PM
Same with everyone else Danny
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 13, 2008, 04:28:17 PM
anyone know how downpatrick and kilcoo went last night in u-16 championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on August 13, 2008, 04:36:03 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on August 13, 2008, 03:40:43 PM
Same with everyone else Danny

I know, it wasn't me commenting on it, if you read back you will see that I was saying exactly the same thing to guevara when he commented on the injuries warrenpoint has had
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 13, 2008, 04:54:23 PM
im not getting at anyone here im just merely curious to know the numbers on each side missing in general and the positions they play etc, how vital to the team they all are, on both sides.

Im not too familiar with the Banbridge team  to be honest but i do know that the Point have lost 2/3 major players not through injury but rarther from transfers/exile etc in Darragh Mc Meel, Shay Curran and Owen Henry.

know clanns have a handy few players in their ranks and have excellent team ethic and should do well for years to come and as someone else said previously stated it should be tight game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 13, 2008, 05:02:40 PM
My predictions

SFC
Castlewellan v Bryansford; Bryansford (and my outside bet for the Championship outright winners)
Burren v Attical; Burren
Mayobridge v Clonduff; Mayobridge
Liatroim v Longstone; Liatroim (Ambrose loss too great allied to pressure of repeating last years run)
Saval v Ballyholland; Draw
Kilcoo v An Riocht; Kilkoo
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; Draw
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; Ballymartin

IFC;
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Ardglass; Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Teconnaught; Kilclief
Drumgath v Carryduff; Drumgath
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; Wpt
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks
Dundrum v Bredagh; Bredagh

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 13, 2008, 05:13:23 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 13, 2008, 04:28:17 PM
anyone know how downpatrick and kilcoo went last night in u-16 championship?

did it even happen? Bredagh v St Marys was cancelled.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 13, 2008, 05:48:59 PM
This year the Point have lost Shay Curran (Dundrum) Darragh McMeel (Mayo) Owen Henry (London).

I can count another 7 who are out injured or just coming back from it and I dont mean wee knocks!
Weve been unfortunate this year but as someone said above every team gets injuries !
Dont think the hard ground throughout May/June time wouldve helped
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 13, 2008, 05:51:50 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on July 27, 2008, 09:12:36 PM
Holy fcuk just heard wexford in next round, im telling you someone is looking down on us!! Wonder would that be at croker as part of double header with Kerry/Monaghan?

My treble tip for the championship
Rostrevor to beat L'island
Kilcoo to beat an riocht
Bredagh to beat Dundrum

Cert!!!


Hope your as accurate with your championship prediction as you were with the quote above it 3/4s  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on August 13, 2008, 05:57:55 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 13, 2008, 04:28:17 PM
anyone know how downpatrick and kilcoo went last night in u-16 championship?
Kilcoo won very handy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 13, 2008, 10:33:41 PM
Previous Championship meeting

Bryansford the 2003 Down Senior Champs, fail to Castlewellan in first round of 2004,  Castlewellan 0.11 Bryansford 0.7
Teams
Castlewellan
Mickey McVeigh;
Liam Lennon, Stephen Trainor, Ruari McArdle;
Bernard McAleenan, Paul Flanagan, Martin McKibben;
Gregory McCartan 0.1, Dean Anderson;
Fintan McGreevey 0.5, Paul Hanna 0.2, Damian McGrady 0.1;
Niall McArdle, Paddy Keown 0.1, Stevie McVeigh;
Subs used
Aidan Burns 0.1, Tony McAtammey and Tom Jennings
Bryansford
Peter Travers;
Stevie Toner, Jim McGorrian,  Gene Morgan;
Simon Poland, Aidan Shields, Brian McVeigh;
Adrian Carville, M. Nugent;
Chris Brannigan 0.2, Shane King 0.1, Colum King;
Stephen McKibben 0.3, Colm Kearney, Conor Gribben 0.1;
Subs used
Andrew Kane, Brian Burns and Ciaran Brannigan.

Clonduff v Mayobridge
First Round 2004
Mayobridge 0.15 Clonduff 0.9
Mayobridge team
Sean Featherstone;
Gavin Barry, Kieran O'Hare, Ronan O'Hare;
Brendan Grant, Francis Poland, Dara Tighe;
Eoin Woods, Declan Rooney;
Noel Sexton 0.1, Pat Donnelly, Adrain Barry 0.4;
John Quinn 0.1, Robbie Coulter 0.6, Brendan Coulter 0.3;
Subs used
Colm Lynchahaun, Paul Cunningham, Mickey Linden and Martin Barry.

Clonduff team
Allister McGilligan;
Paul McConville, Paul Sheilds, Kieran Trainor;
Aidan Carr, Padraig Matthews, Gary McDonald;
John Morgan, Tony Wilson 0.1;
Damian Fearon 0.1, Liam Ward, John Fegan;
Plunkett McConville 0.3, Shane Ward 0.3, Jason Brown 0.1;
Subs used
Paul McShane and Damian Smyth

2003 First Round
Rostrevor 1.10 Loughinisland 0.10

Rostrevor team
Ciaran Sloan
Aidan Cousin, Gary Farrell, Paul Magee;
Jarlath Farrell, Sean Farrell, Turlough Murphy;
Jarlath Austin, Martin Cole 0.2;
Fintian McBreen 0.1, Aidan Cole 0.1. Dermot Mackin;
Adrain Mackin 0.6, Martin Sherry 1.0, Sean Parr;
Sub used Eamon McConville.

Loughinisland Team
Gary Gordon
Paddy Magorrian, Alan Molloy, M. Doran;
Paul Murray 0.1, Joe Doran, P. Turley;
Dan Gordon 0.1, Aaron McKeown;
James Doran, Ciaran Johnstone 0.2, Conor O'Toole 0.1;
Niall McCartney, Mark Valentine 0.4, Willie Russell 0.1;
Subs used, Paul Rice, Brendan Ward, D O'Neill, R. Carville and A. Rogan

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 13, 2008, 11:07:59 PM
bredagh to play bryansford in minor all county semi final. kilcoo and bridge will have a replay
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on August 13, 2008, 11:56:52 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on August 13, 2008, 01:34:55 PM
JHC

Ballela 1.15 Ballygalget 0.8

Good win for Ballela. Balygalget know they can't win the SHC this year so this was there best bet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 14, 2008, 09:19:02 AM
aye square ball match refixed for sat @ 4 in darragh cross would need to stop raining for a day or 2 all the same!

Hoops, any idea how handy?10/20 points??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 09:35:23 AM
Heard the betting for the first few...

Bridge 4/6
Burren 4/1
Kilcoo 6/1
Rostrevor 7/1

Not sure of the rest, was just a quick phone call

Also intermediate faves

Annaclone 3/1 (Farrells still in america...)
Warrenpoint 5/1
Shamrocks 5/1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tsunami on August 14, 2008, 10:09:08 AM
can anyone confirm the draw and date for the minor semi-finals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Off The Fence on August 14, 2008, 10:36:32 AM
Can anyone post he dates times and venues for the Championship matches?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 10:52:41 AM
While everyone else is asking for stuff, any chance someone could gets match odds posted up for the championship please?

D4S?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 14, 2008, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 10:52:41 AM
While everyone else is asking for stuff, any chance someone could gets match odds posted up for the championship please?

D4S?
Here you go lads!

4/6 Mayobridge
4/1 Burren
5/1 Kilcoo
7/1 Rostrevor
8/1 Castlewellan
10/1 Longstone
14/1 Bryansford
14/1 Clonduff
20/1 Loughinisland
33/1 Bholland
33/1 Saval
33/1 Liatroim
33/1 An Riocht
100/1 Attical

INTERMEDIATE
3/1 Annaclone
5/1 Banbridge
5/1 Warrenpoint
5/1 Shamrocks
7/1 Glassdrumman
8/1 Darragh Cross
8/1 Ardglass
10/1 Kilclief
10/1 Drumgath
12/1 Tullylish
12/1 Drumaness
14/1 Carryduff
14/1 Bredagh
20/1 Dundrum
25/1 Bosco
33/1 Teconnaught

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 14, 2008, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: Bacon on August 13, 2008, 11:56:52 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on August 13, 2008, 01:34:55 PM
JHC

Ballela 1.15 Ballygalget 0.8

Good win for Ballela. Balygalget know they can't win the SHC this year so this was there best bet.

Eh, I know we're not setting the world on fire yet but a SHC isn't exactly out of our reach as niether of the other 3 are world beaters.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 11:38:22 AM
Quote from: D4S on August 14, 2008, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 10:52:41 AM
While everyone else is asking for stuff, any chance someone could gets match odds posted up for the championship please?

D4S?
Here you go lads!

4/6 Mayobridge
4/1 Burren
5/1 Kilcoo
7/1 Rostrevor
8/1 Castlewellan
10/1 Longstone
14/1 Bryansford
14/1 Clonduff
20/1 Loughinisland
33/1 Bholland
33/1 Saval
33/1 Liatroim
33/1 An Riocht
100/1 Attical

INTERMEDIATE
3/1 Annaclone
5/1 Banbridge
5/1 Warrenpoint
5/1 Shamrocks
7/1 Glassdrumman
8/1 Darragh Cross
8/1 Ardglass
10/1 Kilclief
10/1 Drumgath
12/1 Tullylish
12/1 Drumaness
14/1 Carryduff
14/1 Bredagh
20/1 Dundrum
25/1 Bosco
33/1 Teconnaught



Cheers D4S... You work in hughes bookies??

If any match betting for the weekend comes out let us know lad!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 14, 2008, 11:42:38 AM



[/quote]

Cheers D4S... You work in hughes bookies??

If any match betting for the weekend comes out let us know lad!
[/quote]

I have contacts in the dark gambling world nail ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 14, 2008, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: tsunami on August 14, 2008, 10:09:08 AM
can anyone confirm the draw and date for the minor semi-finals?

6th september for bredagh bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on August 14, 2008, 12:10:05 PM
Banbridge good odds at 5s, should be a good match against the point with CnB having the extra 'motivation'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 14, 2008, 12:10:37 PM
Just a wee word on the under 14 b championship semi-final on Monday night between the Bridge and Ballyholland.. We travelled over the track of the foot where both teams were on the field on a wet night.. twenty minutes later both tems and supporters left as the referee failed to show up.. this is happening too often in Down Gaa and its up to all clubs to put pressure on the County board at Convention... Maybe a fine of one games expenses should be enforced!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 12:12:23 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 14, 2008, 12:10:05 PM
Banbridge good odds at 5s, should be a good match against the point with CnB having the extra 'motivation'.

Fancy the point at 5s myself

Also Burren for the senior... The Bridge willl have to get beat sooner or later...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 14, 2008, 12:22:03 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 12:12:23 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 14, 2008, 12:10:05 PM
Banbridge good odds at 5s, should be a good match against the point with CnB having the extra 'motivation'.

Fancy the point at 5s myself

Also Burren for the senior... The Bridge willl have to get beat sooner or later...

Who do you fancy t beat Cross in Armagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 14, 2008, 12:40:07 PM
Bridge going to be extremely difficult to ebat again this year at the minute I just can't see who it will be!  Longstone close last year but huge losses this year with ambrose and mark poland out I cant see it!  Only way bridge could be beaten is if they get too complacent like last year in the drawn game against rostrevor...and we know what happened in the replay!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 12:42:39 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 14, 2008, 12:22:03 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 12:12:23 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 14, 2008, 12:10:05 PM
Banbridge good odds at 5s, should be a good match against the point with CnB having the extra 'motivation'.

Fancy the point at 5s myself

Also Burren for the senior... The Bridge willl have to get beat sooner or later...

Who do you fancy t beat Cross in Armagh?

:D

I don't fancy anyone to beat Cross... But last I checked this was the Down thread?? I could be wrong!

Are we not allowed to say if we don't think the Bridge will win??

Plus the Bridge aren't at the same levels that Cross are either, even you could admit that Tom?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on August 14, 2008, 12:43:12 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 14, 2008, 12:22:03 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 12:12:23 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 14, 2008, 12:10:05 PM
Banbridge good odds at 5s, should be a good match against the point with CnB having the extra 'motivation'.

Fancy the point at 5s myself

Also Burren for the senior... The Bridge willl have to get beat sooner or later...

Who do you fancy t beat Cross in Armagh?


Nobody will beat Cross this year. I actually think there will be more chanc eof Cross losing than Mayobridge - hence why no one should back against them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 14, 2008, 01:05:18 PM
Quote from: D4S on August 14, 2008, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 10:52:41 AM
While everyone else is asking for stuff, any chance someone could gets match odds posted up for the championship please?

D4S?
Here you go lads!

4/6 Mayobridge
4/1 Burren
5/1 Kilcoo
7/1 Rostrevor
8/1 Castlewellan
10/1 Longstone
14/1 Bryansford
14/1 Clonduff
20/1 Loughinisland
33/1 Bholland
33/1 Saval
33/1 Liatroim
33/1 An Riocht
100/1 Attical

INTERMEDIATE
3/1 Annaclone
5/1 Banbridge
5/1 Warrenpoint
5/1 Shamrocks
7/1 Glassdrumman
8/1 Darragh Cross
8/1 Ardglass
10/1 Kilclief
10/1 Drumgath
12/1 Tullylish
12/1 Drumaness
14/1 Carryduff
14/1 Bredagh
20/1 Dundrum
25/1 Bosco
33/1 Teconnaught


Saul not even getting a outside chance D4S?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on August 14, 2008, 01:46:23 PM
Quote from: off the laces on August 14, 2008, 01:05:18 PM
Quote from: D4S on August 14, 2008, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 10:52:41 AM
While everyone else is asking for stuff, any chance someone could gets match odds posted up for the championship please?

D4S?
Here you go lads!

4/6 Mayobridge
4/1 Burren
5/1 Kilcoo
7/1 Rostrevor
8/1 Castlewellan
10/1 Longstone
14/1 Bryansford
14/1 Clonduff
20/1 Loughinisland
33/1 Bholland
33/1 Saval
33/1 Liatroim
33/1 An Riocht
100/1 Attical

INTERMEDIATE
3/1 Annaclone
5/1 Banbridge
5/1 Warrenpoint
5/1 Shamrocks
7/1 Glassdrumman
8/1 Darragh Cross
8/1 Ardglass
10/1 Kilclief
10/1 Drumgath
12/1 Tullylish
12/1 Drumaness
14/1 Carryduff
14/1 Bredagh
20/1 Dundrum
25/1 Bosco
33/1 Teconnaught


Saul not even getting a outside chance D4S?


Looks like Drumaness have more of a chance than Saul, and theyre in the JFC!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 14, 2008, 02:26:54 PM
Saul would be at least 33/1 if they aren't in that betting I was given.  Are Drumaness Junior CHampionship? Must be 12/1 for it then if they are...Im only the odds messenger not the odds fixer ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 14, 2008, 03:23:10 PM
Ford(14/1) and Castlewellan (8/1) wud be worth a bet at those odds for the senior,D Cross(8/1) also worth a few pound at those odds,and Drumaness at 12/1 are good things for the Junior
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 14, 2008, 03:27:28 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on August 14, 2008, 03:23:10 PM
Ford(14/1) and Castlewellan (8/1) wud be worth a bet at those odds for the senior,D Cross(8/1) also worth a few pound at those odds,and Drumaness at 12/1 are good things for the Junior

Think the Drumaness odds would be wrong, they have maybe put them in the wrong campetition, I tried to get odds for the junior but couldnt get them anywhere last year, dont see why they woudl start pricing them now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on August 14, 2008, 03:44:08 PM
good to see nither Ballymartin nor Downpatrick get a mention in betting
Just right
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on August 14, 2008, 03:56:53 PM
Been a few years since Ive been - can anyone give me direction to Ballyholand ground?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whacker on August 14, 2008, 04:24:06 PM
Head up past that old haunt of yours and on out that road, then there is a turn to the right, you'll see pitch from road,

Whats taking you up there son?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on August 14, 2008, 04:25:29 PM
Haven't been there since Joh Rafferty made me do laps many years ago.

Banbridge playing , might take a run up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whacker on August 14, 2008, 04:27:36 PM
Who they playing,

give you a shout later hey, leaving work now.

Few boyos asking questions about you hey! Your a man in demand! lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 14, 2008, 04:32:15 PM
Quote from: corn02 on August 14, 2008, 03:56:53 PM
Been a few years since Ive been - can anyone give me direction to Ballyholand ground?

head up Courtney Hill past the Abbey, and keep going until you get into Ballyholland, and then take a right, and the pitch is just up ahead of you on the right hand side!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 14, 2008, 04:44:29 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 14, 2008, 12:10:37 PM
Just a wee word on the under 14 b championship semi-final on Monday night between the Bridge and Ballyholland.. We travelled over the track of the foot where both teams were on the field on a wet night.. twenty minutes later both tems and supporters left as the referee failed to show up.. this is happening too often in Down Gaa and its up to all clubs to put pressure on the County board at Convention... Maybe a fine of one games expenses should be enforced!!!!!

And the county board will put pressure back on the clubs to provide referee's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mixer boy on August 14, 2008, 05:53:37 PM
i see people talking bout the minor championship. was the draw for the b championship made yet???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 14, 2008, 09:31:08 PM
Darragh Cross 0-17 Ardglass 1-09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 14, 2008, 10:24:04 PM
Glasdrumman 3.14 Newry Bosco 0.7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 14, 2008, 10:41:53 PM
I'm not a bookie, and I'd probably be a very poor one if I tried, but the odds displayed above really are shocking value and surely couldn't encourage anyone to have a punt on the Down Championships. Would they not be better off trying to gain a couple of stray fivers at silly prices?

In the SFC, rather than having An Riocht, Ballyholland and Saval each as 33/1 shots, a more realistic price would be 33/1 any of the three. And I still wouldn't place a bet. When it comes to it, they don't stand a chance. Forget the Kingdom's league win last season - they've to play Kilcoo in Round One ffs.

Clonduff, by virtue of having to play Mayobridge in Round One should be at least at 20s. Burren at 4/1? Maybe if they slip through the easy side of the draw there is a smidgen of each way value, but they aren't going to win the thing.

Similarly in the Intermediate, everyone below Kilclief in the betting should be at least 50/1. With Annaclone, Shamrocks and Warrenpoint/Clann na Banna all as good as in the quarters, those bottom clubs have as much chance of winning a Championship this summer as I have of winning a gold in Beijing.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 14, 2008, 10:49:35 PM
Quote from: mixer boy on August 14, 2008, 05:53:37 PM
i see people talking bout the minor championship. was the draw for the b championship made yet???


Yip

Bredagh v Bryansford

Bosco v Mayobridge/Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 14, 2008, 11:33:15 PM
Amallon lead the way in prediction league after first 2 games

Amallon        2
Brick Tamlin     2
Centre3/4        2
Downfanatic    2
Dundrumite     2
General        2
Minus15         2
Niall Quinn        2
Off the Laces   2
TheWobbler    2
Bridgegael        1
Islandboy        1
NO1       1
Square Ball       1
Umpire       1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mixer boy on August 14, 2008, 11:51:38 PM
here square ball, i asked for the `b` draw. is it made yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 15, 2008, 08:55:27 AM
squareball, if your interested u16 champ match, st marys v bredagh fixed for tomorrow at four has been postponed again, now fixed for tue eve in ballykinlar!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 15, 2008, 11:11:02 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 14, 2008, 10:41:53 PM
I'm not a bookie, and I'd probably be a very poor one if I tried, but the odds displayed above really are shocking value and surely couldn't encourage anyone to have a punt on the Down Championships. Would they not be better off trying to gain a couple of stray fivers at silly prices?

In the SFC, rather than having An Riocht, Ballyholland and Saval each as 33/1 shots, a more realistic price would be 33/1 any of the three. And I still wouldn't place a bet. When it comes to it, they don't stand a chance. Forget the Kingdom's league win last season - they've to play Kilcoo in Round One ffs.
 

Have you ever seen a poor bookie??? There's no value there cos he'll be happy with the stray fivers, if they were to lay mayobridge at 2/1 they'd be cleaned out, similarly Burren at 10/1 you get get a lot of money for! Bookie would then stand to lose too much so bookie happy with the punters coming in and throwing the odd fiver and tenner here and there IMHO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 15, 2008, 12:02:25 PM
My mate who works in hughes says they have betting today but hes not working! D4S get your murky contacts out!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tsunami on August 15, 2008, 01:09:44 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 14, 2008, 04:44:29 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 14, 2008, 12:10:37 PM
Just a wee word on the under 14 b championship semi-final on Monday night between the Bridge and Ballyholland.. We travelled over the track of the foot where both teams were on the field on a wet night.. twenty minutes later both tems and supporters left as the referee failed to show up.. this is happening too often in Down Gaa and its up to all clubs to put pressure on the County board at Convention... Maybe a fine of one games expenses should be enforced!!!!!

And the county board will put pressure back on the clubs to provide referee's.
Its a disgrace, I know a referee who referees senior footballl every week, and would gladly do juvenile matches, yet he says he has been given just one juvenile fixture this season! And he is not the only one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 15, 2008, 01:18:59 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 15, 2008, 08:55:27 AM
squareball, if your interested u16 champ match, st marys v bredagh fixed for tomorrow at four has been postponed again, now fixed for tue eve in ballykinlar!!

yip, i am very interested in this one, thought it was in D Cross at 7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 15, 2008, 01:31:56 PM
Sorted ;)

1/7 Burren  12/1   Attical  5/1
8/11 Burren -7 7/1 Attical +7 5/4

4/6 Castlewellan 6/1 Bryansford 11/8
1/4 Kilclief 8/1 Tecconaught 11/4
5/6 Kilclief -5 7/1 Tecconaught +5 5/6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 15, 2008, 01:43:33 PM
Quote from: D4S on August 15, 2008, 01:31:56 PM
Sorted ;)

1/7 Burren  12/1   Attical  5/1
8/11 Burren -7 7/1 Attical +7 5/4

4/6 Castlewellan 6/1 Bryansford 11/8
1/4 Kilclief 8/1 Tecconaught 11/4
5/6 Kilclief -5 7/1 Tecconaught +5 5/6

I knew you wouldnt let me down!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 15, 2008, 02:13:57 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 15, 2008, 01:18:59 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 15, 2008, 08:55:27 AM
squareball, if your interested u16 champ match, st marys v bredagh fixed for tomorrow at four has been postponed again, now fixed for tue eve in ballykinlar!!

yip, i am very interested in this one, thought it was in D Cross at 7

we (st marys management) had been told 4pm, we rang brian kennedy last night as one of our lads is coming from an gaeltacht (who also came down the road on tue night only for us to be informed it was off!) and he got back to us this morning to tell us it was refixed again for tuesday in bkinlar!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 15, 2008, 02:44:34 PM
This thread is seriously quiet this last while not much football chat!

Tonight surely Burren have to be way too strong for Attical, I'd say that handicap betting won't be too far away, attical will be doing well to keep the defeat to under double figures.  

The other game tonight Castlewellan versus Bryansford is a different kind of game altogether.  High flying division 2 leaders Bryansford versus mid-table division 1 castlewellan.  I fancy Bryansford here, Castlewellan will not like the 'slight' favorites tag going into this game, and it's hard to see a team who haven't been beaten all year being beaten in the championship, especially when that side is Bryansford who surely are out to prove a point this year that they were seriously ahrd done by to be relegated last year with I think 21points at the end of the season.  

Mayobridge should beat Clonduff although I'd say it will be a tight match until the last 10 when they up it a notch to win by5.  

Saval v Ballyholland is another tough one to call like Bryansford Castlewellan.  I'd go for Saval, who will be buoyed by their away win to us last weekend, beat us twice this year which was a big shock to be honest.  Hughes & Kearney back in the mix for Saval and Murtagh & Murphy back for Ballyholland these 2teams are really evenly matched, will be a cracker but I say Saval.

Kilcoo versus An Riocht will not be a foregone conclusion at all.  Kilcoo won't fancy this tie that much, and for all their great league form in the last decade, have never made it to the championship final when theyve been tipped nearly every year to get a run. An Riocht may be propping up the table but with CLarke, Colgan and Brendan McVeigh back in to the team they will be lifted for this tie, and Pete McGrath will have them highly motivated.  However Kilcoo should have too much for An Riocht overall and I expect a close tie with Kilcoo running out 3point winners.

Loughinisland and rostrevor is another evenly matched tie which I think Loughinisland will just shade.  They have been improving over the last couple of seasons, and although we beat them monday week ago they will lift themselves for this and Gordon should bring some of his county form to the table here.

Ballymartin and Downpatrick are no strangers to each other after last season meeting in the intermediate final and promotion playoffs.  Ballymartin owe Downpatrick for the final defeat as they were bitterly disappointed not to win it and I fancy Ballymartin to come through here as the hungrier side by 3points.

Finally our game against Liatroim.  This is so hard to call as I fear we may struggle to recapture our championship form from last year.  If we had Ambrose and Mark Poland playing I'd be very confident of another run, but it comes down to how the players heads are, have they got it in the back of their minds how can we go anywhere this year missing possibly our 2 best players.  With Michael Hggins out of the full back line also things aren't looking great.  Liatroim will also be gutted at the loss of Liam Doyle so perhaps their heads may not be fully focused either.  However we have men of resilience Mark Doran, Barry Kelly, Barry Doran, Ryan Kelly and young Conor Poland who will hopefully step up to the plate as they have been in previous games and 'hopefully' Longstone will shade it by a point or 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 15, 2008, 04:17:54 PM
Darragh Cross v Ardglass;
Whilst Darragh are capable of winning this competition, Ardglass are more likely to gett thrown out on disciplinary issues. This will be hard-hitting and competitive, but Darragh's class should see them through. Darragh by 5.(Wobbler)

Did the Wobbler watch the match last night and then travel back through time to make his prediction?cos he was absolutely spot on.Discipline again let Ardglass down,although a stronger ref would have had been ticking and booking them instead of just giving Darragh frees.I think there was only 3 players booked in the match and that is an unbelievable stat given some of the tackles that were goin in on a regular basis.
As the Wobbler predicted though Darraghs superior class came through with a great last 10 minutes.
Well done Wobbler!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 15, 2008, 04:22:47 PM
have watched darragh play ardglass a couple of times and have to say that ardglass seem intent on kicking them off the field. i think mageean from darragh had his jaw broken last time i watched the two teams play.
ardglass would be a good team if they would just play football but unfortunately they are the most hateful team in down to play against. never forget being spat on by their goalie, i didnt know what to think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 15, 2008, 04:30:19 PM
Well if your putting up a league table, going to have to predict Dundrum and Bright .Two fixtures I missed out on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on August 15, 2008, 04:58:38 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 15, 2008, 04:30:19 PM
Well if your putting up a league table, going to have to predict Dundrum and Bright .Two fixtures I missed out on.

I will also make 2 predictions this weekend. 1) Dundrumite will get very drunk. 2) he will intoxicate and take advantage of 2 young ladies
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 15, 2008, 05:18:15 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on August 15, 2008, 04:58:38 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 15, 2008, 04:30:19 PM
Well if your putting up a league table, going to have to predict Dundrum and Bright .Two fixtures I missed out on.

I will also make 2 predictions this weekend. 1) Dundrumite will get very drunk. 2) he will intoxicate and take advantage of 2 young ladies

Whats your predictions for the point match?? Fancy whoever wins to win the championship but cant pick which!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 15, 2008, 06:06:13 PM
Latest ACFL Division 2 Table

Bryansford  16   32
Annaclone  16   22
Clann na Banna 14  20
Warrenpoint  14   18
--------------------------------
Shamrocks  16   18
Attical  15   15
Ballymartin  15  15
Darragh Cross  16   15
--------------------------------
Downpatrick  13  10
Kilclief   14   7
Tullylish   16  6
Dundrum   15   2

Outstanding Fixtures: Downpatrick v Attical + Downpatrick v Warrenpoint + Kilcilef v Banbridge + Downpatrick v Banbridge + Kilclief v Warrenpoint + Dundrum v Ballymartin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 15, 2008, 06:47:55 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 15, 2008, 02:13:57 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 15, 2008, 01:18:59 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 15, 2008, 08:55:27 AM
squareball, if your interested u16 champ match, st marys v bredagh fixed for tomorrow at four has been postponed again, now fixed for tue eve in ballykinlar!!

yip, i am very interested in this one, thought it was in D Cross at 7

we (st marys management) had been told 4pm, we rang brian kennedy last night as one of our lads is coming from an gaeltacht (who also came down the road on tue night only for us to be informed it was off!) and he got back to us this morning to tell us it was refixed again for tuesday in bkinlar!

very similar to our boys as well, we had one came back from Sligo and one from Galway. You 100% about B'Kinler?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on August 15, 2008, 07:16:52 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 15, 2008, 05:18:15 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on August 15, 2008, 04:58:38 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 15, 2008, 04:30:19 PM
Well if your putting up a league table, going to have to predict Dundrum and Bright .Two fixtures I missed out on.

I will also make 2 predictions this weekend. 1) Dundrumite will get very drunk. 2) he will intoxicate and take advantage of 2 young ladies

Whats your predictions for the point match?? Fancy whoever wins to win the championship but cant pick which!

Wouldn't want to make a prediction on that game, with a bit of lucky hopefully the Clann win by a point with yours truly swinging over a superb injury time point (which would be my first of the season) ;D Think there will only by 1 or 2 points in it either way
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 15, 2008, 08:31:51 PM
Are Downpatrick in the SFC? If they are why?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 15, 2008, 08:33:35 PM
Kilclief 1-13  Teconnaught 0-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 15, 2008, 08:42:59 PM
Quote from: No1 on August 15, 2008, 08:33:35 PM
Kilclief 1-13  Teconnaught 0-5

Is this a final score??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 15, 2008, 09:24:22 PM
Result - Bryansford 0-6 Castlewellan 0-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 15, 2008, 09:30:22 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on August 15, 2008, 09:24:22 PM
Result - Bryansford 0-6 Castlewellan 0-5

Musta been exciting for the spectators, what happened!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 15, 2008, 09:54:17 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 15, 2008, 09:30:22 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on August 15, 2008, 09:24:22 PM
Result - Bryansford 0-6 Castlewellan 0-5

Musta been exciting for the spectators, what happened!
Shocking match!! Poor advert for Down football. Two top teams unable to play on a such a big pitch. Lacked the passion and bite you would have expected for such a derby.
4-4 at half time with Ford then equalising about a minute from end for the first score of the half before getting the winner about three mins into the added on time. No issues with officialdom but don't know where they got 4 mins extra from.
Think Ford just about deserved it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 15, 2008, 09:54:35 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 15, 2008, 08:31:51 PM
Are Downpatrick in the SFC? If they are why?

Because they won the intermediate championship last year and finished in the top 4 of division2!

Is that result definite for bryansford v castlewellan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 15, 2008, 10:33:43 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on August 15, 2008, 07:16:52 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 15, 2008, 05:18:15 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on August 15, 2008, 04:58:38 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 15, 2008, 04:30:19 PM
Well if your putting up a league table, going to have to predict Dundrum and Bright .Two fixtures I missed out on.

I will also make 2 predictions this weekend. 1) Dundrumite will get very drunk. 2) he will intoxicate and take advantage of 2 young ladies

Whats your predictions for the point match?? Fancy whoever wins to win the championship but cant pick which!

Wouldn't want to make a prediction on that game, with a bit of lucky hopefully the Clann win by a point with yours truly swinging over a superb injury time point (which would be my first of the season) ;D Think there will only by 1 or 2 points in it either way

Surely not on Championship weekend  :o

As for that injury time winner....................................... :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on August 15, 2008, 11:43:06 PM
Was just looking at the Mayobridge team who beat Clonduff in 2004, it hard to believe the team has changed so much!!!!!!

Clonduff v Mayobridge
First Round 2004
Mayobridge 0.15 Clonduff 0.9
Mayobridge team
Sean Featherstone;
Gavin Barry, Kieran O'Hare, Ronan O'Hare;
Brendan Grant, Francis Poland, Dara Tighe;
Eoin Woods, Declan Rooney;
Noel Sexton 0.1, Pat Donnelly, Adrain Barry 0.4;
John Quinn 0.1, Robbie Coulter 0.6, Brendan Coulter 0.3;
Subs used
Colm Lynchahaun, Paul Cunningham, Mickey Linden and Martin Barry.

Thats 8 players in bold and every sub that i wouldn't expect to see starting against Hilltown (especially as 1 now players for Saval). i know Sexton and Walsh were injured that year but even still its a dramatic change. the bridge are the so called veterans of c/ship football but they still are a very young side!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 16, 2008, 09:28:12 AM
cant see all the championship matches this weekend going ahead, already had Og Sport called off in Burren and its pissing down still
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 16, 2008, 10:15:32 AM
any reports from the burren match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 16, 2008, 10:58:22 AM
Burren 2.14 Attical 0.5

Prediction league

5  Amallon
5  Brick Tamlin           
5  Centre3/4              
5  Downfanatic         
5  Niall Quinn              
5  Off the Laces       
4  Dundrumite           
4  General              
4  Minus15               
4  TheWobbler         
4  Bridgegael              
4  Umpire              
3  Islandboy              
3  NO1              
3  Square Ball              
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 16, 2008, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: umpire on August 16, 2008, 10:58:22 AM
Burren 2.14 Attical 0.5

Prediction league

5  Amallon
5  Brick Tamlin           
5  Centre3/4              
5  Downfanatic         
5  Niall Quinn              
5  Off the Laces       
4  Dundrumite           
4  General              
4  Minus15               
4  TheWobbler         
4  Bridgegael              
4  Umpire              
3  Islandboy              
3  NO1              
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Ripping I never gave predictions at the start to see where I'd figure here, only gave them for senior champ yesterday, 2 out of 2 for it, but Burren were always going to be a banker!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 16, 2008, 11:54:30 AM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on August 15, 2008, 09:54:17 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on August 15, 2008, 09:30:22 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on August 15, 2008, 09:24:22 PM
Result - Bryansford 0-6 Castlewellan 0-5

Musta been exciting for the spectators, what happened!
Shocking match!! Poor advert for Down football. Two top teams unable to play on a such a big pitch. Lacked the passion and bite you would have expected for such a derby.
4-4 at half time with Ford then equalising about a minute from end for the first score of the half before getting the winner about three mins into the added on time. No issues with officialdom but don't know where they got 4 mins extra from.
Think Ford just about deserved it


Was at the game have to agree pure pish!! Although best team won. Greg McCartan best player on field tells you exactly which direction the town are going
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 16, 2008, 11:58:53 AM
D45

What is your predictions on rest of IFC and JFC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 16, 2008, 01:39:56 PM
SFC

Mayobridge v Clonduff; Mayobridge
Liatroim v Longstone; Longstome
Saval v Ballyholland; Saval
Kilcoo v An Riocht; Kilcoo
Loughinisland v Rostrevor; Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Downpatrick; Bmartin

IFC

Drumgath v Carryduff; Drumgath
Banbridge v Warrenpoint; Draw
Annaclone v Tullylish; Annaclone
Shamrocks v Saul; Shamrocks
Dundrum v Bredagh; Bredagh

JFC
Dromara v St John; St Johns
Glenn v St Michaels; St Michaels
Aughlisnafinn v Bright; Bright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 16, 2008, 01:40:41 PM
Umpire any chance I could have +3 as I would have went for glassdrumman, darragh cross and kilclief!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 16, 2008, 01:53:35 PM
squareball, as sure as anyone could be thats what b kennedy has told us...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 16, 2008, 02:44:40 PM
Match off tonight Warrenpoint v Banbridge any others? What about tomorrows games surely newcastle will be waterlogged!?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 16, 2008, 02:48:20 PM
I'd be genuinely surprised if anything other than Ballymartin, Ballykinlar and possibly Newry is playable this weekend.

We've one of the best surfaces in the county and it's was unplayable when I walked it today at noon...and it hasn't stopped pissing down since.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 16, 2008, 02:57:20 PM
anyone know of the condition of the Tullylish pitch? Glenn v st michaels down for 1pm tomorrow!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on August 16, 2008, 02:58:33 PM
Our match v Tullylish has been moved to Saval still with a 6pm start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on August 16, 2008, 03:03:29 PM
Drumgath v Carryduff off until wednesday night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 16, 2008, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on August 16, 2008, 02:57:20 PM
anyone know of the condition of the Tullylish pitch? Glenn v st michaels down for 1pm tomorrow!

Couple my cousins play for st micks, they're going out tonight due to the pitch!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 16, 2008, 03:07:59 PM
Meaning what?? They're taking a gamble? Great being a junior footballer! lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 16, 2008, 03:16:29 PM
Sean Rooney just on 5fm mayobridge match goes ahead in Newry should be a nice evening to play football!  I wouldnt envy anyone standing in saval for the annclone game it's wild open up there!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 16, 2008, 03:25:37 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on August 16, 2008, 03:07:59 PM
Meaning what?? They're taking a gamble? Great being a junior footballer! lol

They just say the match is bound to be off, f**k it!! As you say a junior footballer can do it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on August 16, 2008, 03:32:44 PM
i was at the burren match last night.  very poor game of football.  left with 15 mins to go and the score was 2.09-0.04 to burren.  crap football to be frank.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 16, 2008, 04:14:39 PM
Bridge game is off, raging!!!! heading on holidays on Monday for a week >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on August 16, 2008, 04:22:24 PM
Our match is now off too!! Will all the postponed matches be refixed for midweek?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on August 16, 2008, 04:33:20 PM
Heard from Sean Rooney that all games are off!!!! Bridge Clonduff match supposed to be on Monday nite now (IF it stops raining)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 16, 2008, 04:39:59 PM
Quote from: Dulaney on August 16, 2008, 04:33:20 PM
Heard from Sean Rooney that all games are off!!!! Bridge Clonduff match supposed to be on Monday nite now (IF it stops raining)

is there an e-mail running about?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 16, 2008, 04:46:54 PM
Another wonderful county board feck up!!

Warrenpoint v Banbridge was on then off then on again, then switched to Saval!!
But Point then informed that Annaclone were being given preference in Saval (which is now off too)
Every year the idiots in charge seem to mess up the whole championship and it gets finished in October!!

How can every other county in the land get their Championship going June/Jult time but every year we become the laughing stock???

Also why was Saval not used as a venue from day 1?

Raging!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 16, 2008, 04:53:06 PM
i think the Bridge game is on on Monday at 7pm.. you cant blame the co board on the weather, i am sure the officals tried their hardest to get the games played!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 16, 2008, 04:54:06 PM
In fairness I don't think you can blame the county board for this. The weather has made most Irish league games either abandoned or called off today. It has rained non stop all day, Not a whole pile you can do!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on August 16, 2008, 04:55:11 PM
You cannot blame the county board for the weather.
The roads around Newry and Mourne are all badly flooded, you cannot really expect a field to be any better off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 16, 2008, 04:58:41 PM
Only todays are off so far, no word on tomorrows yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 16, 2008, 05:11:12 PM
i think you can when every year our championship doesnt start before 15th august!!
any wonder other teams think Down footballs crap when were playing our championship in October!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 16, 2008, 05:22:50 PM
Any word on tomorrows games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 16, 2008, 06:44:37 PM
So all the matches are deffo off tonight? Needa settle a bet here, ive a saval lad sweating the bit out like a postman from lurgan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 16, 2008, 07:09:47 PM
theres a rumour that warrenpoint v clann na banna will be played on monday night in ballymartin.

county board we put in an awkward psition but communication could have been better. we still hadnt received notification at 4pm that match was definitely off yet wobbler says it was clear ballyholland wasnt playable at noon.

feel sorry for whoever has to refix all these games now though!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on August 16, 2008, 07:11:40 PM
Quote from: guevara on August 16, 2008, 04:46:54 PM
Another wonderful county board feck up!!

Warrenpoint v Banbridge was on then off then on again, then switched to Saval!!
But Point then informed that Annaclone were being given preference in Saval (which is now off too)
Every year the idiots in charge seem to mess up the whole championship and it gets finished in October!!

How can every other county in the land get their Championship going June/Jult time but every year we become the laughing stock???

Also why was Saval not used as a venue from day 1?

Raging!!
Solution:
put youself forward for assistant secretary next year. Some great posters here who can solve all the problems ofthe GAA but never too many putting themselves forward to do any real work in the association.
It was the clubs who decided against any changes to leagues and championship. August Chaampionship  start has been a real success over the past few years as in days gone by when clubs got knocked out in May June their best players cleared off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 16, 2008, 08:47:37 PM
Quote from: guevara on August 16, 2008, 04:46:54 PM
Another wonderful county board feck up!!

Warrenpoint v Banbridge was on then off then on again, then switched to Saval!!
But Point then informed that Annaclone were being given preference in Saval (which is now off too)
Every year the idiots in charge seem to mess up the whole championship and it gets finished in October!!

How can every other county in the land get their Championship going June/Jult time but every year we become the laughing stock???

Also why was Saval not used as a venue from day 1?



Raging!!

How are we a laughing stock???

I think its a good thing, well known that when teams go out of championship, motivation goes down. Instead of going out of championship in June, keeps teams together for the championship goal until at least August. Also allows teams to gain momentum with the championship run off over 8 weeks as opposed to having to wait on the next round for a possible 8 weeks due to County championship Commitments
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 17, 2008, 12:02:52 AM
Guevara, you obviously don't have a the patience/intelligence to think a situation out thoroughly before mouthing off, so I'll give you a bit of help.

The Down Championships may start later than those any other county, but they finish on the same weekend as 95% of all other counties i.e. two weeks before the Provincial Club Championship first round. Which happens to be in October. Every year. So when County Championships finish in October, as they do every year, it isn't because the County Board mess up, but is the result of a very deliberate footballing calendar.

Secondly, around half-a-dozen games for neutral venues were postponed today, and the likelihood is that the same number will be postponed tomorrow. Participating clubs have spent the day waiting by the phone, and host clubs have spent the day on the phone to refererees and the Board. If you honestly believe that re-coordinating an entire set of fixtures for neutral grounds - when almost every ground in the country is unplayable - is anything other than an impossible task, then you are an imbecile.



Behind the Wire, I have to point out that the "noon" you refer to was the time when I walked the pitch, and not when the decision was made. Shortly after that, we contacted the county board, who contacted the referee, who travelled and made a decision, then contacted the County Board, who contacted you. Sean Rooney and Sean Broderick were very busy men today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 17, 2008, 12:05:53 AM
16 Lunasa 2008

Following the loss of all Down Football Championships due to be played today (Saturday), fixtures have been re-scheduled as follows;

SUNDAY 17 AUGUST

POWERADE SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

Dun Phadraig v Baile Mhairtin            Newcastle    2.00 p.m.
An Cloch Fhada v Liatroim               Burren               3.30 p.m.
Baile Cholmain v Sabhall               Mayobridge   5.30 p.m.


AROUND A POUND INTERMEDIATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

Dun Droma v Bredach               Teconnaught    5.00 p.m.
Na Seamrogaian Iur v Sabhall (Naomh Phadraig)     Ballymartin    6.00 p.m.


JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

Droim Bearach v Naomh Eoin            Saul      1.00 p.m.
Breachtain v Achada Lios Na Feinne         Ardglass   3.30 p.m.


MONDAY 18 AUGUST

POWERADE SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

Droichead Maigh Eo v Cluain Daimh         Newry      7.00 p.m.

Caisleain Ruairi v Loch An Oileain                   Castlewellan  7.00p.m.


TUESDAY 19 AUGUST


POWERADE SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

An Riocht v Cill Cua                  Dundrum   7.00 p.m.


AROUND A POUND INTERMEDIATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

Clann Na Banna v Cumann Peadar Naofa      Ballyholland   7.00 p.m.
Eanach Cluana v Tulach Lis                        Saval      7.00




WEDNESDAY 20 AUGUST

AROUND A POUND INTERMEDIATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

Droim Gath v Ceathru Aodha Dhuibh         Ballykinlar 7.00 p.m.


JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

An Gleann v Naomh Mhichil            Tullylish        7.00 p.m.


All replays will be on Saturday 23 August 2008.  They may not be at the same venue as the original fixture and, if required, all or part of games may be played under floodlights.

The next round of the Premier Reserve and Reserve Football Championships will be played on Sunday 24 August at 2.00 p.m. and 6.00 p.m. respectively.  The draws will be made tomorrow (first team drawn will have home advantage) and fixtures will be circulated to the clubs tomorrow evening or Monday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on August 17, 2008, 12:25:15 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 17, 2008, 12:02:52 AM
Guevara, you obviously don't have a the patience/intelligence to think a situation out thoroughly before mouthing off, so I'll give you a bit of help.

The Down Championships may start later than those any other county, but they finish on the same weekend as 95% of all other counties i.e. two weeks before the Provincial Club Championship first round. Which happens to be in October. Every year. So when County Championships finish in October, as they do every year, it isn't because the County Board mess up, but is the result of a very deliberate footballing calendar.

Secondly, around half-a-dozen games for neutral venues were postponed today, and the likelihood is that the same number will be postponed tomorrow. Participating clubs have spent the day waiting by the phone, and host clubs have spent the day on the phone to refererees and the Board. If you honestly believe that re-coordinating an entire set of fixtures for neutral grounds - when almost every ground in the country is unplayable - is anything other than an impossible task, then you are an imbecile.



Behind the Wire, I have to point out that the "noon" you refer to was the time when I walked the pitch, and not when the decision was made. Shortly after that, we contacted the county board, who contacted the referee, who travelled and made a decision, then contacted the County Board, who contacted you. Sean Rooney and Sean Broderick were very busy men today.
Couldnt have put it better myself,Wobbler. Obviously a man who has more grasp of the logistics of running the county scene than some of the whinging elements who can only see the problems. The CCC are volunteers like the rest of us at clubs and doing a very difficult job in pressing circumstances. taking cheap shots does nothing to enhance the situation. Fair play to the two Seans for the way they are dealing with this, the biggest championship weekend in Down every year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dromara Gael on August 17, 2008, 12:27:32 AM
Dromara match not on Sunday. Sometime during week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 17, 2008, 08:03:27 AM
From RTE. Even if pitches are playable travel could be difficult in some areas.


Met Eireann issues severe weather warning
Saturday, 16 August 2008 16:30

Met Eireann has issued a severe weather warning which is valid until Monday.

Heavy rainfall is forecast in excess of 50 millimetres in places with parts of the east, north and west most at risk.

Some further flooding can be expected.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 17, 2008, 09:41:53 AM
DownFanatic would you know is the glenn V st micks game defo off??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 17, 2008, 10:16:59 AM
Just heard from  a Downpatrick mate that their game witth Ballymartin off until monday at 7pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 17, 2008, 10:22:46 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 17, 2008, 12:02:52 AM
Guevara, you obviously don't have a the patience/intelligence to think a situation out thoroughly before mouthing off, so I'll give you a bit of help.

The Down Championships may start later than those any other county, but they finish on the same weekend as 95% of all other counties i.e. two weeks before the Provincial Club Championship first round. Which happens to be in October. Every year. So when County Championships finish in October, as they do every year, it isn't because the County Board mess up, but is the result of a very deliberate footballing calendar.

Secondly, around half-a-dozen games for neutral venues were postponed today, and the likelihood is that the same number will be postponed tomorrow. Participating clubs have spent the day waiting by the phone, and host clubs have spent the day on the phone to refererees and the Board. If you honestly believe that re-coordinating an entire set of fixtures for neutral grounds - when almost every ground in the country is unplayable - is anything other than an impossible task, then you are an imbecile.



Behind the Wire, I have to point out that the "noon" you refer to was the time when I walked the pitch, and not when the decision was made. Shortly after that, we contacted the county board, who contacted the referee, who travelled and made a decision, then contacted the County Board, who contacted you. Sean Rooney and Sean Broderick were very busy men today.

dont get me wrong wobbler i know all the work that went on yesterday. was just making the point that we never actually got official notice that te game was definitely off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 17, 2008, 10:35:32 AM
heard word from few lads there who went walking round the bridge field there now,  it will definately be fit to hold the game later on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 17, 2008, 12:15:53 PM
Dundrum v Bredagh has been switched to 5:00 in Ballykinler.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 17, 2008, 04:28:23 PM
Any word of PRFC or RFC draws?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 17, 2008, 04:54:46 PM
st michaels match was called off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on August 17, 2008, 05:16:53 PM
Bright 1-10 Finn 1-05
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 17, 2008, 06:15:34 PM
liatroim 1-10 stone 2-7

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 17, 2008, 06:43:02 PM
Bredagh beat Dundrum by 8 pts in the IFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 17, 2008, 07:15:04 PM
  saval       0.12
b'holland   0.09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 17, 2008, 07:36:20 PM
Down IFC 1st Round
Bredagh 2-14  Dundrum 1-09

It pains me to say it but well done to Bredagh. They played us off the park. They performed really well as a unit and their confidence was sky high. We simply had no answer to them.
Only 1 of our forwards scored from play and that was a solitary point. We are performing like a mid table Division 3 team at the moment.
I d fancy Bredagh to come through the Division 3 playoffs this year. They are solid if unspectacular. Suprisingly enough Enda Gormley has gone off the boil but they have some really impressive forwards namely Costello and McKenna.
Well done and good luck in the next round. :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 17, 2008, 08:51:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 17, 2008, 07:36:20 PM
Down IFC 1st Round
Bredagh 2-14  Dundrum 1-09

It pains me to say it but well done to Bredagh. They played us off the park. They performed really well as a unit and their confidence was sky high. We simply had no answer to them.
Only 1 of our forwards scored from play and that was a solitary point. We are performing like a mid table Division 3 team at the moment.
I d fancy Bredagh to come through the Division 3 playoffs this year. They are solid if unspectacular. Suprisingly enough Enda Gormley has gone off the boil but they have some really impressive forwards namely Costello and McKenna.
Well done and good luck in the next round. :-\


definitely not the team yous were last year DF. we played well and won a lot of good ball and moved it on quickly. Our defence played well and forced your lot to take high percentage shots that didn't pay off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 17, 2008, 11:18:51 PM
Any more  scores from this evening?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 18, 2008, 12:00:57 AM
Liatroim 1.10 Longstone 2.7 (Think replay on Saturday)
Saval 0.12 Ballyholland 0.9

Dundrum 1.9 Bredagh 2.14
Newry Shamrocks 2.15 Saul 0.8

Auglisnafin 1.5 Bright 1.10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 18, 2008, 12:28:23 AM
The Predictions league,

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 18, 2008, 09:48:29 AM
Its all very tight at the top!

Laitroim will be disappointed they didn't win yesterday, for me they looked like winning until they had the man sent off.  Should be another tight game in the replay.  A lot depends on how the Stone's injury situation fairs out.  Mark Doran went off injured yesterday to really compound their problems.

The Saval Ballyholland game was a tame affair, more like a league game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 18, 2008, 10:00:13 AM
did you have much of a view of the square ball aiden?
also when c mccrickard got fouled and went down injured brannigan reached for his cards then realised the stone man had been booked already...
and the free for the stone at the death was unbelievable paddy pierce was getting dragged like fcuk

but maybe just sour grapes....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 18, 2008, 10:18:14 AM
I was too far away to make any call on the square ball.  However I was surrounded by stone men and they had some very strong opinnions on it!  ;D 

On the other incident the ref certainly went for the card, even the Stone boys around me were saying he was going to go.  The linesman came in for something and seemed to distract him from sending him off.

IfDown at the end just before the possible free you mentioned the Stone had a good call for a free at the other end.  Maybe it was a case that the ref was happy to keep the ball in the middle of the field where no team was going to score.

A draw was a fair enough outcome for me.  Standing amongst Longstone supporters is an experience, my hearing is almost fully recovered now but I still get an occasional ringing noise in my right ear.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 18, 2008, 10:53:15 AM
fair enough sour grapes it is then, just worried we have let our chance slip though maybe not..

aye most vocal supporters in the county without a doubt!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 18, 2008, 11:07:01 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 18, 2008, 10:53:15 AM
fair enough sour grapes it is then, just worried we have let our chance slip though maybe not..

aye most vocal supporters in the county without a doubt!!
You havn't had the pleasure of a trip to or a game against Ardgass then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on August 18, 2008, 01:22:35 PM
most vocal?  thats a new description for us.  we've been called alot worse. happy enough with a draw.  would have took it 10mins to go.  draw was a fair result.  hopefully we'll have mark doran back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 18, 2008, 01:43:03 PM
Thought the two games last night were poor enough.

Stone seemed to be getting more of the decisions from Brannigan throughout the game. Did anyone see the sending off? what happened? Stone were lucky enough to get the draw thought Liatroim deserved it to be honest.
O'Prey and McCrickard were good for Liatroim but what has happened to PP McCartan he was very poor!
Liatroim palyed the better football but couldnt take their scores in 2nd half!
Stone look the shadow of the team from last year.

Ballyholland v Saval was a poor nights entertainment I thought both teams seemed to be unable to put 4 or 5 passes together and relied on high ball into forwards, although saval did better the second half.
Also unreal the amount of arguing between the Ballyholld lads on the field!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 18, 2008, 03:01:24 PM
There are photos floating around on bebo of the flooding at Hilltown on Saturday.  It looks like the changing rooms and pitch were badly flooded.  Anyone know the extent of the damage? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 18, 2008, 03:28:55 PM
Any news on the reserve or premier reserve championship draws yet??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 18, 2008, 04:16:41 PM
Bredagh play Saval this Sunday
Quote from: maldini on August 18, 2008, 03:28:55 PM
Any news on the reserve or premier reserve championship draws yet??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on August 18, 2008, 04:32:48 PM
Some good deals on the Down rugby tops on the O'Neills web site

10/15 quid down from 30 odd , couldn't be bad to that .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 18, 2008, 04:35:45 PM
heres the full set

Monday 18th August 7pm

Powerade SFC

Downpatrick v Ballymartin in Newcastle

Mayobridge v Clonduff in Newry

Rostrevor v Loughinisland in Castlewellan

JFC

Dromara v St. Johns in Kilcoo



Tuesday 19 August 7pm

Democrat Media Hurling Championship Semi Finals

Junior

Portaferry 3 v Clonduff in Kilclief (S Mc Greevy)

Ballela v Warrenpoint in Newry (K Mc Guinness)

Powerade SFC

Kilcoo v An Riocht in Dundrum

Around A Pound IFC

Annaclone v Tullylish in Saval



Wednesday 20th August 7pm

Around A Pound IFC

Clann Na Banna v Warrenpoint in Ballyholland

Drumgath v Carryduff in Ballykinlar

JFC

Glenn v St Michaels in Tullylish



Friday 22nd August 7pm

O'Neills ACFL 1 S17

Kilcoo v Ballyholland

Liatroim v Castlewellan (off)

Clonduff v Longstone (off)

Mayobridge v Rostrevor

Loughinisland v Burren

Saval v An Riocht

O'Neills ACFL 2 S17

Warrenpoint v Annaclone (off)

Ballymartin v Kilclief

Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Atticall v Tullylish

Shamrocks v Dundrum

Clann Na Banna v Bryansford (off)

O'Neills ACFL 3 S22

Teconnaught v St Pauls

Saul v Drumaness

Bosco v Drumgath (off)

Carryduff v Mitchels (off)

Glasdrumman v St Michaels (off)

Ardglass v Bredagh

O'Neills ACFL 4 S17

Bright v St Johns

Ballykinlar v Dromara

Aghaderg v Aughlisnafin



Saturday 23rd August

ALL SFC, IFC & JFC REPLAYS

Powerade SFC Replay

(venue to be confirmed)

Liatroim v Longstone

(extra-time if required)



Sunday 24th August

2pm PRFC

Ballymartin v Kilcoo

Bredagh v Saval

Burren v Bryansford

Carryduff v Mayobridge

6pm RFC

Darragh Cross v Dundrum

Bosco v Mayobridge

Rostrevor v Atticall

Castlewellan v An Riocht



Monday 25th August 7pm

O/S O'Neills ACFL

Div One

Rostrevor v Loughinisland

Ballyholland v Saval

Div Two

Warrenpoint v Annaclone

Clann Na Banna v Bryansford

Atticall v Downpatrick

Div Three

Bosco v Drumgath

Carryduff v Mitchels

Glasdrumman v St Michaels

Div Four

Aghaderg v Dromara



Tuesday 26 August 6:45pm

Democrat Media Hurling Championship Semi Finals

Intermediate

Portaferry 2 v Shamrocks in Liatroim (N Morgan)

Kilclief v Liatroim in Downpatrick (C O' Flynn)



Thursday 28th / Sunday 31st August

SFC, IFC, JFC Quarter Finals

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 18, 2008, 04:44:19 PM
are dundrum not out of the RFC?
Darragh Cross V Dundrum
should that be Drumaness??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 18, 2008, 05:25:06 PM
2/7 mayobridge    7/1  clonduff 9/4

5/6 bridge -5     8/1    clonduff +5 5/6

4/7  rostrevor   7/1     l'island  6/4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 18, 2008, 05:28:48 PM
Revised outright

4/6 MAYOBRIDGE
7/2 BURREN
5/1 KILCOO
7/1 ROSTREVOR
10/1 LONGSTONE
8/1 BRYANSFORD
14/1 CLONDUFF
20/1 LOUGHINISLAND
16/1 SAVAL
33/1 LEITRIM
22/1 AN RIOCHT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 18, 2008, 05:38:43 PM
Downpatrick v Ballymartin has been switched to Tuesday but venue not announced
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on August 18, 2008, 08:38:46 PM
Bridge beat hilltown by 4 points from what i heard although have no confirmation of score
Mayobridge play Bryansford in 1/4 final
Kilcoo/kingdom play Burren
Dunno about the rest!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Glensman on August 18, 2008, 09:13:29 PM
Loughinisland beat Rostrevor by 3 points!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 18, 2008, 09:14:52 PM
Loughinisland v Downpatrick or Ballymartin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on August 18, 2008, 09:30:45 PM
Take it that it must be Saval v Liatroim/Longstone
1/4 final line up then:
Mayobridge     v     Bryansford
Burren            v     Kilcoo/Kingdom
Loughinisland   v     Downpatrick/Ballymartin
Saval              v     Liatroim/Longstone

The first two games above will be the showpieces
Could be an end to Bryansfords unbeaten run although u never know, they have good c/ship pedigree although playin in Division 2 might put them at a slight disadvantage. im sure Mayobridge won't take them lightly though, the better team on the day probably lost in last years semi-final (due to 3.3 from Benny Coulter)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 18, 2008, 09:33:56 PM
bridge won by 3, clonduff fell foul of a couple of ref decisions!

liatroim/stone v saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 18, 2008, 10:07:45 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 18, 2008, 09:33:56 PM
bridge won by 3, clonduff fell foul of a couple of ref decisions!



you serious man??  wat decisions were these??  i thought he gave clonduff handy frees within scoring range.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on August 18, 2008, 10:14:24 PM
JFC dromara 0.03 st johns 1.15, game was played in bright, pitch looked in great shape, this place is definitely a contender to host more championship games this year if the wet weather continues
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 18, 2008, 10:21:53 PM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on August 18, 2008, 10:14:24 PM
JFC dromara 0.03 st johns 1.15, game was played in bright, pitch looked in great shape, this place is definitely a contender to host more championship games this year if the wet weather continues

Totally agree. Our U-16's were playing there last week. Unbelievable surface. Like a carpet. Ballynoe is definitely a serious contender for Championship games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on August 18, 2008, 10:47:50 PM
Have to agree with previous posts regarding the Bright pitch. Excellent condition givin the rain we have had. Pity the match tonight didn't live up to the surrounding.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 18, 2008, 11:30:35 PM
After 3 games on Monday evening
Latest predictions table

12   Downfanatic
10   Amallon
10   Bridgegael
10   General
10   Islandboy
10   Niall Quinn
10   Off the Laces
9   Centre3/4
9   D45
9   Dundrumite
9   TheWobbler
9   Square Ball
9   Umpire
8   Brick Tamlin
8   Minus15
8   NO1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 19, 2008, 12:04:06 AM
well, as a neutral i though clonduff found it had to come by frees! thon umpires hardly covered themselves in glory did they!!

squareball, that match is now in ardglass tomorrow night at 7!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 19, 2008, 06:45:16 AM
them umpires at the far end of the field must have been on the sauce before the match.  they struggled big time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 19, 2008, 07:08:47 AM
This week's fixtures.

POWERADE DOWN SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP TAKE PLACE ON TUESDAY 19TH AUGUST

AN RIOCHT V CILL CHUA IN DUNDRUM AT 7.00 PM

BAILE UI MHAIRTIN V DUN PHADRAIG IN HILLTOWN AT 7.00 PM



Tuesday 19 August 7pm
Democrat Media Hurling Championship Semi Finals
Junior
Portaferry 3 v Clonduff in Kilclief (S Mc Greevy)
Ballela v Warrenpoint in Newry (K Mc Guinness)

Powerade SFC
Kilcoo v An Riocht in Dundrum
Ballymartin v Downpatrick in Clonduff
Around A Pound IFC
Annaclone v Tullylish in Saval

Wednesday 20th August 7pm

Around A Pound IFC
Clann Na Banna v Warrenpoint in Ballyholland
Drumgath v Carryduff in Ballykinlar

JFC
Glenn v St Michaels in Tullylish

Friday 22nd August 7pm

O'Neills ACFL 1 S17
Kilcoo v Ballyholland
Liatroim v Castlewellan (off)
Clonduff v Longstone (off)
Mayobridge v Rostrevor
Loughinisland v Burren
Saval v An Riocht

O'Neills ACFL 2 S17
Warrenpoint v Annaclone (off)
Ballymartin v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick
Atticall v Tullylish
Shamrocks v Dundrum
Clann Na Banna v Bryansford (off)

O'Neills ACFL 3 S22
Teconnaught v St Pauls
Saul v Drumaness
Bosco v Drumgath (off)
Carryduff v Mitchels (off)
Glasdrumman v St Michaels (off)
Ardglass v Bredagh

O'Neills ACFL 4 S17
Bright v St Johns
Ballykinlar v Dromara
Aghaderg v Aughlisnafin

Saturday 23rd August
Powerade SFC Replay 5pm
Liatroim v Longstone in Burren
(extra-time if required)

Sunday 24th August
2pm PRFC
Ballymartin v Kilcoo
Bredagh v Saval
Burren v Bryansford
Carryduff v Mayobridge
6pm RFC
Darragh Cross v Drumaness
Bosco v Mayobridge
Rostrevor v Atticall
Castlewellan v An Riocht

Monday 25th August 7pm
O/S O'Neills ACFL
Div One
Rostrevor v Loughinisland
Ballyholland v Saval
Div Two
Warrenpoint v Annaclone
Clann Na Banna v Bryansford
Atticall v Downpatrick
Div Three
Bosco v Drumgath
Carryduff v Mitchels
Glasdrumman v St Michaels
Div Four
Aghaderg v Dromara

Tuesday 26 August 6:45pm
Democrat Media Hurling Championship Semi Finals
Intermediate
Portaferry 2 v Shamrocks in Liatroim (N Morgan)
Kilclief v Liatroim in Downpatrick (C O' Flynn)



Democrat Media Hurling Championship Semi Finals

Intermediate 19th Aug 7 00
Kilclief v Liatroim in Downpatrick (C O Flynn)

Junior
PortaferryIII v Clonduff in Kilclief (S Mc Greevy)
Ballela v Warrenpoint in Newry (K Mc Guiness)

Intermediate 26th Aug 6 45
PortaferryII v Shamrocks in Liatroim (N Morgan)



SCHEDULE FOR DOWN CHAMPIONSHIP
QUARTER FINAL GAMES
FRIDAY 29TH AUGUST
7.00 pm Junior Football Championship in Dundrum
Breachtain v Baile Choinnleora

7.00 pm Around a Pound Intermediate Championship in Burren
Ceathru Aodha Dhuibh/Droim Gath v Eanach Cluana/Tulach Lios

8.30 pm Powerade Senior Football Championship in Burren
Sabhaill v Liatroim/An Cloch Fhada


SATURDAY 30TH AUGUST
2.00 pm Around a Pound Intermediate Championship in Newcastle
Bredach v Cill Cleithe

3.30 pm Powerade Senior Football Championship in Newcastle
Loch an Oilean v Baile Ui Mhairtin/Dun Phadraig

6.30 pm Around a Pound Intermediate Championship in Pairc Esler
An Ghlasdromainn v Clann na Banna/Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua

8.30 pm Powerade Senior Football Championship in Pairc Esler
Boireann v An Riocht/Cill Chua


SUNDAY 31ST AUGUST
1.00 pm Junior Football Championship in Dundrum in Bright
Naomh Eoin v Droim an Easa

1.00 pm Junior Football Championship in Dundrum in Saval
Misteiligh an Iur v Naomh Pol

2.30 pm Junior Football Championship in Dundrum in Saval
Achada Dearg v An Ghleann/Naomh Michil

5.00 pm Around a Pound Intermediate Championship in Clonduff
Crois Darach v Seamrogai An Iur

6.30 pm Powerade Senior Football Championship in Clonduff
Ath Briain v Droichead Mhaigh Eo

 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on August 19, 2008, 11:37:58 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 18, 2008, 10:07:45 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 18, 2008, 09:33:56 PM
bridge won by 3, clonduff fell foul of a couple of ref decisions!



you serious man??  wat decisions were these??  i thought he gave clonduff handy frees within scoring range.

thought the ref was very whistle happy the whole game for both sides, lots of very handy frees given, anytime there was a sniff of a 2 man tackle, or even overcrowding the free was given, if brown had have scored that goal early on it may have been a differnebt match/result
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on August 19, 2008, 11:45:23 AM
Is the Ballela/Warrenpoint game going ahead in Newry? Is the pitch playable after all the rain?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on August 19, 2008, 11:49:00 AM
Quote from: Bacon on August 19, 2008, 11:45:23 AM
Is the Ballela/Warrenpoint game going ahead in Newry? Is the pitch playable after all the rain?

Havent heard otherwise but i'l let you know if i do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 19, 2008, 12:17:22 PM
2/7 Kilcoo  7/1   An Riocht  5/2
5/6 Kilcoo -5  8/1  An Riocht +5  5/6

4/6 Ballymartin  7/1   Downpatrick  5/4

I think AN Riocht good value at 5/2 this will be a tight game. Can't see them being beaten by more than 4 or 5 points so the handicap betting is good for anyone that doesn't want to risk backing An RIocht at 5/2.  I fancy Kilcoo by a couple of points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on August 19, 2008, 12:32:14 PM
Guys are teams not allowed to have a weeks break before the C'ship games? Liatriom/Stone play on Sat in the replay and whoever wins will have to play Saval on the following Fri which is 6 days and the same goes for Bryansford. They play Clann na Bana on Mon then play the Bridge 6 days later on the Sun! Surely thats asking alot of the players especially since the Bridge and Saval have longer breaks!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 19, 2008, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: D4S on August 19, 2008, 12:17:22 PM
2/7 Kilcoo  7/1   An Riocht  5/2
5/6 Kilcoo -5  8/1  An Riocht +5  5/6

4/6 Ballymartin  7/1   Downpatrick  5/4

I think AN Riocht good value at 5/2 this will be a tight game. Can't see them being beaten by more than 4 or 5 points so the handicap betting is good for anyone that doesn't want to risk backing An RIocht at 5/2.  I fancy Kilcoo by a couple of points.

The handicap betting here is a bit askew. Normally a 5/2 shot would maybe get a three point head start, 4 if you are being very generous. +5 is very good value at 5/6, could throw that in with a bet tonight easily...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 19, 2008, 04:27:58 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on August 12, 2008, 09:11:11 PM
My treble tip for the championship
Rostrevor to beat L'island
Kilcoo to beat an riocht
Bredagh to beat Dundrum

Cert!!! ;D

D'Oh!  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 19, 2008, 08:51:17 PM
Kilcoo beat An Riocht by 20 odd points. Conor Laverty was immense. Kingdom were poor, second best all over pitch. Downpatrick beat Ballymartin by point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 19, 2008, 09:12:15 PM
So much for an riocht plus five then! Just as well I didnt get near a bookies!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 19, 2008, 09:13:16 PM
Down SFC 1st Round
Kilcoo 3-15  An Riocht 0-03

Game played at our pitch in Dundrum. Very big crowd turned up. Kilcoo led 0-06 to 0-03 at halftime. The Kingdom failed to score in the 2nd half while Kilcoo ran riot with 3-09 in the 2nd period.
Conor Laverty was a cut above. He scored a penalty and an excellent goal in quick succession midway through the 2nd half. All of their play went through Anthony Devlin who rarely gave the ball away. Phelim McGreevy and Paul Greenan were also superb. The latter won a host of ball around the centre.
An Riocht looked way out of their depth. Colgan was anonymous at midfield while the defence struggled for pace. John Clarke seemed to be their only target up front but he was well sniffed out by Aidan Brannigan.
Overall, I suppose its hard to judge Kilcoo's credentials in relation to this game. However, they were very clinical and focused to the final whistle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 19, 2008, 10:19:43 PM
In the JHC Ballela beat Warrenpoint by 1 in Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on August 19, 2008, 10:20:17 PM
Annaclone 1-16 Tullylish 0-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on August 19, 2008, 10:28:47 PM
Downpatrick 2-8 Ballymartin 2-7.
Ballymartin must be sick of the sight of RGU as this was their third successive defeat in Championship football over the past 4 years to the County Town
A good game where the lead changed hands several times and only  two points in the last 3 mins from Brannigan and McKenna securing victory for Downpatrick .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: leftbacksubbench on August 19, 2008, 10:35:52 PM
i must say i was shocked with some of the results during this championship week!
i suppose it would be fair to say that kilcoo were favourites for the kingdom clash but not by a 21point margin!with a few county seniors namely the goalkeeper and full forward and an all ireland winning midfielder in the middle, they failed to lord the middle and won very few kickouts in the second half, they failed to suppy good ball to clarke which was their downfall in the second half considering they were only 3points down at the interval
big shocks came from liatoirm drawing, fair play to them, i think they feel they should have won the game, but i did not think they had the talent to pull a draw or even a match winning performance out of the bag
it was strange to see a local derby such as the ford V the town finish with such a low scoreline, i was looking forward to a classic, but it was far from it, a poor game all in all nothing worth mentioning
another upset came in the IFC, with bredagh progressing past Dundrum. having watched both teams this season and last, they have taken steps in the opposite direction
dundrum looked a shawdow of their former selfs whereas in bredagh there is a new sense of belief and desire that they can progress threw the championship and the league, bredagh cut out almost every attack that came near them, dundrum seemed nervous or maybe they just expected an easy win! they seemed to have alot of young players playing as well!
what has happened to dundrum this year? i thought they would finish safely in mid table in division 2 after winning division 3 in style last season, but they havent produced the same form, mccumiskey is also a big miss which wouldnt help such a small club but they played most of last campaign without him and played excellently
what has happened to the kingdom?they are the domestic champions of Down! and look at their track record this year?on the brink of relegation, early exit from the championship and some of their players seem to have given up, not the same team as last year from what i can see, same players, different attitude which is the key to success
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 19, 2008, 11:04:46 PM
Quote from: leftbacksubbench on August 19, 2008, 10:35:52 PM
i must say i was shocked with some of the results during this championship week!
i suppose it would be fair to say that kilcoo were favourites for the kingdom clash but not by a 21point margin!with a few county seniors namely the goalkeeper and full forward and an all ireland winning midfielder in the middle, they failed to lord the middle and won very few kickouts in the second half, they failed to suppy good ball to clarke which was their downfall in the second half considering they were only 3points down at the interval
big shocks came from liatoirm drawing, fair play to them, i think they feel they should have won the game, but i did not think they had the talent to pull a draw or even a match winning performance out of the bag
it was strange to see a local derby such as the ford V the town finish with such a low scoreline, i was looking forward to a classic, but it was far from it, a poor game all in all nothing worth mentioning
another upset came in the IFC, with bredagh progressing past Dundrum. having watched both teams this season and last, they have taken steps in the opposite direction
dundrum looked a shawdow of their former selfs whereas in bredagh there is a new sense of belief and desire that they can progress threw the championship and the league, bredagh cut out almost every attack that came near them, dundrum seemed nervous or maybe they just expected an easy win! they seemed to have alot of young players playing as well!
what has happened to dundrum this year? i thought they would finish safely in mid table in division 2 after winning division 3 in style last season, but they havent produced the same form, mccumiskey is also a big miss which wouldnt help such a small club but they played most of last campaign without him and played excellently
what has happened to the kingdom?they are the domestic champions of Down! and look at their track record this year?on the brink of relegation, early exit from the championship and some of their players seem to have given up, not the same team as last year from what i can see, same players, different attitude which is the key to success
[/b]
Just wondering if you have a vested interest in Dundrum 'leftbacksubbench'? you seem to be keeping a close eye on them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on August 19, 2008, 11:08:02 PM
Tonight's result makes me wonder how did that An Riocht team manage to win the league last year.....does Marty Clarke have that much influence?? Some might say they caught Mayobridge on the hop for the bridge were just after two intensive c/ship games within a week and probably were on the beer for a better part of the week leading into the laegue semi-final but i'd thought Kilcoo would be comfortable winners in the final...i got that one wrong anyway!!!
its been a awful season for the kingdom and although i hope they can mount a bit of a challenge to at least get into relegation play-off it looks like they will go straight down!! Tonights result emphasises Kilcoo's tendancy to fall down in the big games...they could hammer An Roicht 2nite but somehow lost the league final. i don't doubt kilcoo have quality (thay definately have some coming through from under-age in the next few years) but even after tonights result i'd still go for Burren in the 1/4 final, it's a bigger day and Burren will pose a far more difficult test. Well done to the Hoops, had been hoping Ballymartin might win that one but they weren't the get one over after last year
1/4 final predictions:
Mayobridge v Bryansford          Mayobridge
Kilcoo v Burren                      Burren
Loughinisland v Downpatrick    Loughinisland
Saval v liatroim/longstone         (fancy the stone in replay as long as they don't get anymore injuries) if stone come through i'd say
                                           they'll beat saval, if Liatroim come through im gona say Saval (go for the underdog on that one :))
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: leftbacksubbench on August 19, 2008, 11:12:26 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 19, 2008, 11:04:46 PM
Quote from: leftbacksubbench on August 19, 2008, 10:35:52 PM
i must say i was shocked with some of the results during this championship week!
i suppose it would be fair to say that kilcoo were favourites for the kingdom clash but not by a 21point margin!with a few county seniors namely the goalkeeper and full forward and an all ireland winning midfielder in the middle, they failed to lord the middle and won very few kickouts in the second half, they failed to suppy good ball to clarke which was their downfall in the second half considering they were only 3points down at the interval
big shocks came from liatoirm drawing, fair play to them, i think they feel they should have won the game, but i did not think they had the talent to pull a draw or even a match winning performance out of the bag
it was strange to see a local derby such as the ford V the town finish with such a low scoreline, i was looking forward to a classic, but it was far from it, a poor game all in all nothing worth mentioning
another upset came in the IFC, with bredagh progressing past Dundrum. having watched both teams this season and last, they have taken steps in the opposite direction
dundrum looked a shawdow of their former selfs whereas in bredagh there is a new sense of belief and desire that they can progress threw the championship and the league, bredagh cut out almost every attack that came near them, dundrum seemed nervous or maybe they just expected an easy win! they seemed to have alot of young players playing as well!
what has happened to dundrum this year? i thought they would finish safely in mid table in division 2 after winning division 3 in style last season, but they havent produced the same form, mccumiskey is also a big miss which wouldnt help such a small club but they played most of last campaign without him and played excellently
what has happened to the kingdom?they are the domestic champions of Down! and look at their track record this year?on the brink of relegation, early exit from the championship and some of their players seem to have given up, not the same team as last year from what i can see, same players, different attitude which is the key to success
[/b]
Just wondering if you have a vested interest in Dundrum 'leftbacksubbench'? you seem to be keeping a close eye on them!

ive made 2 posts on this website, its people like you who put me off websites like this, you can clearly see from my second post that it was a general comment on results and special concern for dundrum and the kingdom
in my first post i commented on the abscence of paul mccumiskey from dundrum and more notably the county, which was widely discussed, not just by myself!
get your facts right before you make rash comments in future MourneRambler  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 19, 2008, 11:20:18 PM
Predictions league
After Tues games

14   Downfanatic
13   Niall Quinn
12   Amallon
12   Bridgegael
12   General
12   Islandboy
12   Off the Laces
11   Centre3/4
11   D45
11   Dundrumite
11   TheWobbler
11   Square Ball
11   Umpire
10   Brick Tamlin
10   Minus15
10   NO1

Four games left

Wed evening
IFC; Drumgath v Carryduff
IFC; Banbridge v Warrenpoint
JFC; Glenn v St Michaels

Sat
SFC; Liatroim v Longstone

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 19, 2008, 11:24:21 PM
Quote from: leftbacksubbench on August 19, 2008, 11:12:26 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 19, 2008, 11:04:46 PM
Quote from: leftbacksubbench on August 19, 2008, 10:35:52 PM
i must say i was shocked with some of the results during this championship week!
i suppose it would be fair to say that kilcoo were favourites for the kingdom clash but not by a 21point margin!with a few county seniors namely the goalkeeper and full forward and an all ireland winning midfielder in the middle, they failed to lord the middle and won very few kickouts in the second half, they failed to suppy good ball to clarke which was their downfall in the second half considering they were only 3points down at the interval
big shocks came from liatoirm drawing, fair play to them, i think they feel they should have won the game, but i did not think they had the talent to pull a draw or even a match winning performance out of the bag
it was strange to see a local derby such as the ford V the town finish with such a low scoreline, i was looking forward to a classic, but it was far from it, a poor game all in all nothing worth mentioning
another upset came in the IFC, with bredagh progressing past Dundrum. having watched both teams this season and last, they have taken steps in the opposite direction
dundrum looked a shawdow of their former selfs whereas in bredagh there is a new sense of belief and desire that they can progress threw the championship and the league, bredagh cut out almost every attack that came near them, dundrum seemed nervous or maybe they just expected an easy win! they seemed to have alot of young players playing as well!
what has happened to dundrum this year? i thought they would finish safely in mid table in division 2 after winning division 3 in style last season, but they havent produced the same form, mccumiskey is also a big miss which wouldnt help such a small club but they played most of last campaign without him and played excellently
what has happened to the kingdom?they are the domestic champions of Down! and look at their track record this year?on the brink of relegation, early exit from the championship and some of their players seem to have given up, not the same team as last year from what i can see, same players, different attitude which is the key to success
[/b]
Just wondering if you have a vested interest in Dundrum 'leftbacksubbench'? you seem to be keeping a close eye on them!

ive made 2 posts on this website, its people like you who put me off websites like this, you can clearly see from my second post that it was a general comment on results and special concern for dundrum and the kingdom
in my first post i commented on the abscence of paul mccumiskey from dundrum and more notably the county, which was widely discussed, not just by myself!
get your facts right before you make rash comments in future MourneRambler  ;D
Maybe you could explain what you mean by this as I only asked a simple question to which you seem to have an issue with?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: leftbacksubbench on August 19, 2008, 11:30:40 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 19, 2008, 11:24:21 PM
Quote from: leftbacksubbench on August 19, 2008, 11:12:26 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 19, 2008, 11:04:46 PM
Quote from: leftbacksubbench on August 19, 2008, 10:35:52 PM
i must say i was shocked with some of the results during this championship week!
i suppose it would be fair to say that kilcoo were favourites for the kingdom clash but not by a 21point margin!with a few county seniors namely the goalkeeper and full forward and an all ireland winning midfielder in the middle, they failed to lord the middle and won very few kickouts in the second half, they failed to suppy good ball to clarke which was their downfall in the second half considering they were only 3points down at the interval
big shocks came from liatoirm drawing, fair play to them, i think they feel they should have won the game, but i did not think they had the talent to pull a draw or even a match winning performance out of the bag
it was strange to see a local derby such as the ford V the town finish with such a low scoreline, i was looking forward to a classic, but it was far from it, a poor game all in all nothing worth mentioning
another upset came in the IFC, with bredagh progressing past Dundrum. having watched both teams this season and last, they have taken steps in the opposite direction
dundrum looked a shawdow of their former selfs whereas in bredagh there is a new sense of belief and desire that they can progress threw the championship and the league, bredagh cut out almost every attack that came near them, dundrum seemed nervous or maybe they just expected an easy win! they seemed to have alot of young players playing as well!
what has happened to dundrum this year? i thought they would finish safely in mid table in division 2 after winning division 3 in style last season, but they havent produced the same form, mccumiskey is also a big miss which wouldnt help such a small club but they played most of last campaign without him and played excellently
what has happened to the kingdom?they are the domestic champions of Down! and look at their track record this year?on the brink of relegation, early exit from the championship and some of their players seem to have given up, not the same team as last year from what i can see, same players, different attitude which is the key to success
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Just wondering if you have a vested interest in Dundrum 'leftbacksubbench'? you seem to be keeping a close eye on them!

ive made 2 posts on this website, its people like you who put me off websites like this, you can clearly see from my second post that it was a general comment on results and special concern for dundrum and the kingdom
in my first post i commented on the abscence of paul mccumiskey from dundrum and more notably the county, which was widely discussed, not just by myself!
get your facts right before you make rash comments in future MourneRambler  ;D
Maybe you could explain what you mean by this as I only asked a simple question to which you seem to have an issue with?
this all could have been avoided if you hadnt have made an immature comment,instead of posting a comment about GAA you have started a squablle on this GAA forum!
try reading the comment i posted carefully, its not very hard to understand
i think you migh be a kingdom man - if you are maybe you can shed some light on the performances of them this year?Dulaney shares my concern also over how they could have possibly won the league last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on August 19, 2008, 11:55:23 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 19, 2008, 11:20:18 PM
Predictions league
After Tues games

14   Downfanatic
13   Niall Quinn
12   Amallon
12   Bridgegael
12   General
12   Islandboy
12   Off the Laces
11   Centre3/4
11   D45
11   Dundrumite
11   TheWobbler
11   Square Ball
11   Umpire
10   Brick Tamlin
10   Minus15
10   NO1

Four games left

Wed evening
IFC; Drumgath v Carryduff
IFC; Banbridge v Warrenpoint
JFC; Glenn v St Michaels

Sat
SFC; Liatroim v Longstone



In the interests of pedantry, aren't both Down Fanatic and AMallon also on 13?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 20, 2008, 09:04:17 AM
Are we including this weekends Reserve Championship in the predictions comp?

If so my predictions:
Sunday 24th August

2pm PRFC

Ballymartin v Kilcoo

Bredagh v Saval

Burren v Bryansford

Carryduff v Mayobridge


6pm RFC

Darragh Cross v Dundrum

Bosco v Mayobridge

Rostrevor v Atticall

Castlewellan v An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 20, 2008, 09:21:41 AM
Bridge v Clonduff
I didn't think we looked capable of loosing the game but it wasn't a great Bridge performance, we gave the ball away an unnormal amount of times for us.  Hopefully we will improve for the Ford game, I don't care that they are in Div2 they really pushed us to the pin of our collar last year and have the players to do it this year too. 

Kilcoo v Kingdom
I wasn't at this game and I thought someone had made a typo when texting me the result.  The Kingdom have been poor all year and Kilcoo will get a real test against Burren.  That game is almost too tight to call, but I'd give Burren the nod

Rostrevor - Loughinisland
Not really surprised with this result, Rostrevor put in one of the worst league performances I've ever seen from a Reds team in our league game down in their place earlier in the season.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: its me again on August 20, 2008, 09:28:04 AM
been following the own championship over the last few days and i still cant understand why Kilcoo have no county representation on county panel

they seem to have at least a few good panel players 2 ff's and a fb places where down could do with a fresh face from the bench judging by their last performance

yet there were 6 Shamrocks players at one stage and they are mid table division 2 playing intermediate championship

kilcoo are in Div 1 for 10 years now beaten by narrow margins in the last two years championship and last nite beat the current league championships ( with 3 county starting players by 20 odd points)? ??? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on August 20, 2008, 10:38:41 AM
I think An Riochts performance this year,following on from their league win last year,illustrates yet again that our club structures need to be looked at.Championship status should reflect a teams ability with all their county men available,and therefore chamionship should be promoted as the blue riband competition-a genuine reflection of your club's actual standing in the county,ability wise.
League status on the other hand should reflect a team's overall consistency throughout the year,including games when county men are unavailable,and though a meaningful year long competition it is different from championship,as clubs must play some games without their best players.An Riocht won last year's league play-offs having finished just a few points above Bryansford-who ended up relegated,only to totally dominate div 2.Ironically,despite this domination,Bryansford may lose out in promotion play-offs this year!
I strongly believe that the best solution to our club structures should be on the basis of Rugby's Heiniken cup and Magniers league.Let all teams have an extended championship ,when all their players are available.The league fixtures should  proceed regardless of county committments.This would give all players regular fixed date games,and revitalise the championship.It would also put a stop to the lottery of league play-offs in November.The difficulty with play-offs is that it does not reflect the club's overall consistency,and therefore club's can get promoted on the basis of a couple of wins with their county men available ,but then have to play most of their league games,the next year without their county men...leaving clubs like Dundrum and Tullylish to struggle in the higher league.Clubs then hope their county men to get them out of jail in relegation play-offs in November.

Dundrum is the perfect example-with McComiskey,they could give the IFC a rattle,without him they have really struggled in Div 2.

I was involved in a number of successful play-off campaigns,but I found that raising your game for play-offs in November ,gives a false impression of how you are going to cope the following season.

A league should be just that.Start in March,and played each week when there isn't a championship game.County players can play when released.

Championship could  be a mini-league ,followed by knock-out and an "A" and "B" championship at each level.This gives all clubs meaningful extended championship ,with all their players available.The mini-league would be played in March-July,on the weeks when county men available.The knockout phase ,would usually only proceed when Down's championship progress finishes.

This guarantees all our county players championship pace club games,when they have no county games ,but spares them play-off games in mid-november,when they should be having their off season break.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 20, 2008, 11:39:25 AM
your right about the flaws with the playoffs . not too sure about the idea of a mini league in the championship though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 20, 2008, 11:41:50 AM
Niall Quinn,

You are 100 % correct, my apologies

The latest update table.

13   Amallon
13   Downfanatic
13   Niall Quinn
12   Bridgegael
12   General
12   Islandboy
12   Off the Laces
11   Centre3/4
11   D45
11   Dundrumite
11   TheWobbler
11   Square Ball
11   Umpire
10   Brick Tamlin
10   Minus15
10   NO1


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 20, 2008, 01:02:28 PM
Hey boy, I didn't know I was entering a competition! 

Get my name outta there, unless you turn the table upside down!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 20, 2008, 01:06:19 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 20, 2008, 11:41:50 AM
Niall Quinn,

You are 100 % correct, my apologies



Very sporting of you Niall Quinn fair play ;)

I was also at the Kilcoo An Riocht game last night.  I went anticipating a really good game thought the An Riocht would really lift themselves, but they never competed with Kilcoo's workrate.  I'm sure they were delighted going in only 3points down and thought they would come out and make a real game of it the 2nd half, but even after the restart they couldn't up their game at all.  Was very disappointed with them.  I heard at the game Kilcoo supposedly had 2 sessions with a psychologist last week anybody else hear this?  Seemed to pay off, they will have a much tougher game against Burren though next week, they should maybe book in for 3 sessions before then! Would like to see Kilcoo win that game as they've been consistently in the top4 for at least the past 8years and yet they've never made a championship final, so I'd like to see them give it a rattle this year.  At this moment in time though the only team I can see putting it up to Mayobridge will be Burren, who see to be as close to full strength at the minute as they;ve been for a few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 20, 2008, 01:08:01 PM
Where has that An Riocht poster went, Andy I think he was called??  He has been quiet for a while now!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on August 20, 2008, 01:09:38 PM
JHC

Ballela 0.16 Warrenpoint 2.9

Half time we lead 0.7 to 0.6 then in the 2nd half we extended our lead on two occasions only to concede soft goals. Warrenpoints second goal coming with a minute to go to give them a one point lead then we scored two points in a minute to snatch the win. A game we could and should have won easily we hit about 20 wides(12frees, 5 in the last 10min) to their 5-6 wides and could have faced being dumped out of the championship.

Clonduff and Portaferry drew in the other match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 20, 2008, 01:12:42 PM
2pm PRFC

Ballymartin v Kilcoo - KILCOO

Bredagh v Saval  -   SAVAL

Burren v Bryansford  - BURREN

Carryduff v Mayobridge  - MAYOBRIDGE


6pm RFC

Darragh Cross v Dundrum  -  DARRAGH CROSS

Bosco v Mayobridge   -   MAYOBRIDGE

Rostrevor v Atticall  -   ROSTREVOR

Castlewellan v An Riocht   -   CASTLEWELLAN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 20, 2008, 01:40:10 PM
Quote from: D4S on August 20, 2008, 01:06:19 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 20, 2008, 11:41:50 AM
Niall Quinn,

You are 100 % correct, my apologies



Very sporting of you Niall Quinn fair play ;)

I was also at the Kilcoo An Riocht game last night.  I went anticipating a really good game thought the An Riocht would really lift themselves, but they never competed with Kilcoo's workrate.  I'm sure they were delighted going in only 3points down and thought they would come out and make a real game of it the 2nd half, but even after the restart they couldn't up their game at all.  Was very disappointed with them.  I heard at the game Kilcoo supposedly had 2 sessions with a psychologist last week anybody else hear this?  Seemed to pay off, they will have a much tougher game against Burren though next week, they should maybe book in for 3 sessions before then! Would like to see Kilcoo win that game as they've been consistently in the top4 for at least the past 8years and yet they've never made a championship final, so I'd like to see them give it a rattle this year.  At this moment in time though the only team I can see putting it up to Mayobridge will be Burren, who see to be as close to full strength at the minute as they;ve been for a few years.

wrong re psychologists: It was a psychiatrist


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 20, 2008, 01:48:55 PM
 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :o :o :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 20, 2008, 02:22:32 PM
Does anyone know the dates for the finals of the RFC, PRFC and senior championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 20, 2008, 02:51:01 PM
28th September was the date on the master sheet for the senior football final.  I don't notice dates for the Reserves and thrids on the master sheet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on August 20, 2008, 03:42:50 PM
Quote from: southdown on August 20, 2008, 01:08:01 PM
Where has that An Riocht poster went, Andy I think he was called??  He has been quiet for a while now!

He hasnt been about since like the 2nd or 3rd league game! Maybe he knew then it was ominous and decided to stop running his mouth. How well did he say An Riocht would do this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on August 20, 2008, 03:46:57 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on August 20, 2008, 01:09:38 PM
JHC

Ballela 0.16 Warrenpoint 2.9

Half time we lead 0.7 to 0.6 then in the 2nd half we extended our lead on two occasions only to concede soft goals. Warrenpoints second goal coming with a minute to go to give them a one point lead then we scored two points in a minute to snatch the win. A game we could and should have won easily we hit about 20 wides(12frees, 5 in the last 10min) to their 5-6 wides and could have faced being dumped out of the championship.

Clonduff and Portaferry drew in the other match.

Well done Ballela. I fully expect them to go on and win the final, no matter who they play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 20, 2008, 03:53:01 PM
I think AndyM wanted the Frank O'Hare cup presented to the Kingdom back in March but that was before the league started.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 20, 2008, 08:30:41 PM
st micheals beat glenn by a point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on August 20, 2008, 08:59:21 PM
IFC RESULT

Drumgath 0-12
Carryduff 0-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on August 20, 2008, 09:20:41 PM
St. Michael's 0.11 Glenn 0.10

Very hard fought win for St.Micks 2nite. Reduced to 14 men after 25mins. lead by 3 at h/t went, then score for score until last 10mins when we seemed to tire and Glenn reduced the lead to a single a point and missed a good goal chance. Was a rough enough game a few players were lucky to stay on the field from both teams. Glenn wasted there extra man by doubling up on Brian Sweeney when it clear he was going to get the better of both men, they should have brought him out into the middle of the pitch earlier. Think the better team won though, should be hard to stop this year in JFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 20, 2008, 09:25:19 PM
Quote from: leftbacksubbench on August 19, 2008, 11:12:26 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 19, 2008, 11:04:46 PM
Quote from: leftbacksubbench on August 19, 2008, 10:35:52 PM
i must say i was shocked with some of the results during this championship week!
i suppose it would be fair to say that kilcoo were favourites for the kingdom clash but not by a 21point margin!with a few county seniors namely the goalkeeper and full forward and an all ireland winning midfielder in the middle, they failed to lord the middle and won very few kickouts in the second half, they failed to suppy good ball to clarke which was their downfall in the second half considering they were only 3points down at the interval
big shocks came from liatoirm drawing, fair play to them, i think they feel they should have won the game, but i did not think they had the talent to pull a draw or even a match winning performance out of the bag
it was strange to see a local derby such as the ford V the town finish with such a low scoreline, i was looking
forward to a classic, but it was far from it, a poor game all in all nothing worth mentioning
another upset came in the IFC, with bredagh progressing past Dundrum. having watched both teams this season and last, they have taken steps in the opposite direction
dundrum looked a shawdow of their former selfs whereas in bredagh there is a new sense of belief and desire that they can progress threw the championship and the league, bredagh cut out almost every attack that came near them, dundrum seemed nervous or maybe they just expected an easy win! they seemed to have alot of young players playing as well!
what has happened to dundrum this year? i thought they would finish safely in mid table in division 2 after winning division 3 in style last season, but they havent produced the same form, mccumiskey is also a big miss which wouldnt help such a small club but they played most of last campaign without him and played excellently
what has happened to the kingdom?they are the domestic champions of Down! and look at their track record this year?on the brink of relegation, early exit from the championship and some of their players seem to have given up, not the same team as last year from what i can see, same players, different attitude which is the key to success
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Just wondering if you have a vested interest in Dundrum 'leftbacksubbench'? you seem to be keeping a close eye on them!

ive made 2 posts on this website, its people like you who put me off websites like this, you can clearly see from my second post that it was a general comment on results and special concern for dundrum and the kingdom
in my first post i commented on the abscence of paul mccumiskey from dundrum and more notably the county, which was widely discussed, not just by myself!
get your facts right before you make rash comments in future MourneRambler  ;D


Quote from: leftbacksubbench on July 14, 2008, 01:50:28 PM
Paul McCumiskeys injury will come as a sorry blow to the already struggling Dundrum. What are they going to do with out their star player, they have already started to make some changes that forward line from the last couple of match reports that i have seen, but can they really survive without a player with as much influence as McCumiskey?

I would say theres a more noteable mention of Dundrum than the county. ;D Not my fight just an observation.
Was the Clann na Banna Warrenpoint game played tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 20, 2008, 09:46:33 PM
Warrenpoint won by a point in a cracking, high-scoring game.

Clann na Banna dominated possession in the first half, but Point were infinitely more dangerous, especially Gary Boyle, and only a well-taken goal by Bann's corner-forward kept as little as 3 in it at the half.

Bann fairly made that possession pay during the first 15 minutes of the second half. They scored two great, free-flowing goals and racked up a number of fine points to ease into an 8 point lead with a quarter to go.

Then 'Point turned the screw at midfield, and gradually got back into it, aided in no small way by a superbly taken goal from Ryan Mallon (ironic). Then, approaching injury time with just one more score to claw back, a hooked shot from their corner forward somehow made its way into the net (truly awful goalkeeping), and they entered injury time a brace up. Bann clawed one back, but couldn't find the other.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on August 20, 2008, 09:49:27 PM
Amallon any word on how the minor replay went tonight???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 20, 2008, 09:56:52 PM
Mayobridge absolutely taned Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 20, 2008, 10:17:03 PM
Mayobridge 3.14 Kilcoo 1.5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 20, 2008, 10:24:29 PM
Kilcoo's big margin of defeat may be due in part to the fact that their star player (Paul Devlin) played 50 odd minutes of a Senior Championship game the night before this game. He was bound to be fcuked.

PS: Leftbacksubbench - we know who you are!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: leftbacksubbench on August 20, 2008, 10:37:30 PM
at least you are a bit more grown up dundrumite - instead of starting pointless squabbles on a gaa forum!
downfanatic i dont know who you think i am,but i can assure you i am not him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 20, 2008, 10:39:55 PM
After Wednesday's 3 games

16   Downfanatic
16   Niall Quinn
14   Amallon
14   Bridgegael
14   Islandboy
14   Off the Laces
13   D45
13   Dundrumite
13   Umpire
12   Brick Tamlin
12   Centre3/4
12   General
12   NO1
12   Square Ball
11   Minus15
11   TheWobbler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on August 20, 2008, 10:48:00 PM
And, heeding my accountant's instincts, should Bridgegael not be on 13?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 20, 2008, 11:06:26 PM
Niall Quinn

You are right again.

I think i give up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on August 21, 2008, 01:49:09 AM
I didn't mean to be arsey about it umpire.
Have the draws been made for the 2nd round of the Intermediate & Junior Championships yet, does anyone know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 21, 2008, 09:06:55 AM
A great win for the Bridge last night, Kilcoo will be wishing they had played that extra time now as the game was there for the taking by either team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on August 21, 2008, 10:33:17 AM
No need to worry lads, Ryan Mallons career threatening injury seems to have cleared up, as he scored a scortcher of a goal which ultimately turned out to be a winner. How he can even show up at a football field without admitting to telling lies is beyond me!!! (2 seperate warrenpoint players said to me after, that as much as they wanted to win they didn't want him on the field as he was an embarrassment to the club).
Now before I go on a rant here i have no complaints with the result as the point played for 45 mins and we only played for 15 (thus they deserved the win, we didn't)! During that 15 mins we played some football which I didn't believe we were capable off, really top class!
Few firsts for me in that match. I never actually seen an umpire give a wide from a free kick which was clearly over the bar (seen it happen from play a few times but never a free kick). Never seen a referee book a player for punching, literally 5 yards in front of the ref and he seen clear as day, the same player went on the take 1 of our players out of it when in full flow and only get a tick, should have been a straight red twice, any ref with an ounce of balls would have sent him off (it showed that warrenpoint thought the same when they took this lad off straight after the incident as they knew he would get sent off). Our corner forward was almost gang raped by 5 of there players at the very end of the game which was blatantly a free kick and not give. The funniest of all was when one of there players (Conor? McGarry) hit 2 of our players from behind and run away really was the cowardliest act I have ever seen!!
The difference between the sides was Gary Boyle, especially in the first half, he took some scores which really were top top class, and young Ross McGarry really is a top young player, People have said he shouldn't have been on the county minor side, which is a complete joke (although his goal was lucky as fcuk)!!!!
All in all it was an exciting game of football and any neutural would have really enjoyed it and I would be surprised if there is a better game played anywhere in the county this year.
As i said I have no complaints (although it does sound like I do) they played for 45 mins and we played for 15 which was the difference they deserved it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 21, 2008, 11:00:55 AM
Danny personally I think its a joke the whole "Ryan Mallon " issue!
word in our club last night was he was threatened by 5 or 6 or your players throughout the game and this didnt come from the player himself.
I thought our boys dug deep and groundthe result out and probably deserved their win.
I agree Danny young McGarry is a prodigous talent and took all the hits for a 16 year old a potential county star!!

An Phointe Abu
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 21, 2008, 11:08:52 AM
Danny, was at the match myself and have to say based on what i had seen Clans gave as good as they got in the physical stakes and were definitely no angels and stupidly targeted certain individuals on the point team which ultimately came back to haunt them in last 10 mins. To be honest when clans went 8 points up in last quarter they were home and dry (or so they believed) and one or two scenes of triumphalism/complacency crept into their game and when really they should have closed the game out they let Point back into it.

In the first half the Point could have cut loose and had game dead at half time only for gifting clans a lifeline through a sloppy goal.
Clans came out of the traps flyin in the second half and were destroyin the opposition all over the field and attacking from all angles in great waves of attaking football and scored somewhere in region of 2-5 without reply..but gradually as Point got a few frees to keep them just about in touch you could sense they were scraping themselves back into it. Then Mallons superbly taken 3 pointer was the defining and turning moment of the match that gave Point the boost they needed. From here on in the Point showed more experience and kept level heads while Clans seemed to crumble and only Paddy Feeney seemed to threaten up front.

a very entertaining game which either side could have won but Point just about deserved it with the better quality players in the positions that mattered. Whatever about off field matters they should be kept off the field and not on the pitch and Mallon from the Point seemed pretty unaffected by abuse and taunts from certain opposing players and effectively turned the game on its head with his goal, maybe if clans had been a bit cuter and concentrated on their own play/players they could have and should have closed the game out.

Honourable mentions must go to Feeney, Fairbairn and both wing backs for clans who tried their hardest to drag them over the finishline and on the Point side the Boyle brothers with a strong spine of Brendan Kearney, Cowan and Mallon impressed most.

and Danny your post is definitely coming across as sour grapes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on August 21, 2008, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 21, 2008, 11:08:52 AM
Danny, was at the match myself and have to say based on what i had seen Clans gave as good as they got in the physical stakes and were definitely no angels and stupidly targeted certain individuals on the point team which ultimately came back to haunt them in last 10 mins. To be honest when clans went 8 points up in last quarter they were home and dry (or so they believed) and one or two scenes of triumphalism/complacency crept into their game and when really they should have closed the game out they let Point back into it.

In the first half the Point could have cut loose and had game dead at half time only for gifting clans a lifeline through a sloppy goal.
Clans came out of the traps flyin in the second half and were destroyin the opposition all over the field and attacking from all angles in great waves of attaking football and scored somewhere in region of 2-5 without reply..but gradually as Point got a few frees to keep them just about in touch you could sense they were scraping themselves back into it. Then Mallons superbly taken 3 pointer was the defining and turning moment of the match that gave Point the boost they needed. From here on in the Point showed more experience and kept level heads while Clans seemed to crumble and only Paddy Feeney seemed to threaten up front.

a very entertaining game which either side could have won but Point just about deserved it with the better quality players in the positions that mattered. Whatever about off field matters they should be kept off the field and not on the pitch and Mallon from the Point seemed pretty unaffected by abuse and taunts from certain opposing players and effectively turned the game on its head with his goal, maybe if clans had been a bit cuter and concentrated on their own play/players they could have and should have closed the game out.

Honourable mentions must go to Feeney, Fairbairn and both wing backs for clans who tried their hardest to drag them over the finishline and on the Point side the Boyle brothers with a strong spine of Brendan Kearney, Cowan and Mallon impressed most.

and Danny your post is definitely coming across as sour grapes.

I'm sure it is but its not meant to be, as I said the point deserved it!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 21, 2008, 11:16:29 AM
Down GAA Results

Around A Pound IFC

Drumgath 0-12 Carryduff 0-9

Annaclone 1-16 Tullylish 0-5

Warrenpoint 2-13 Clann Na Banna 3-9

JFC

St Michaels 0-11 Glenn 0-10

Democrat Media JHC

Portaferry 2-8 Clonduff 0-14

Ballela 0-16 Warrenpoint 2-9



Down GAA Fixtures

Friday 22nd August 7pm

O'Neills ACFL 1 S17

Kilcoo v Ballyholland

Liatroim v Castlewellan (off)

Clonduff v Longstone (off)

Mayobridge v Rostrevor

Loughinisland v Burren

Saval v An Riocht

O'Neills ACFL 2 S17

Warrenpoint v Annaclone (off)

Ballymartin v Kilclief

Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Atticall v Tullylish

Shamrocks v Dundrum

Clann Na Banna v Bryansford (off)

O'Neills ACFL 3 S22

Teconnaught v St Pauls

Saul v Drumaness

Bosco v Drumgath (off)

Carryduff v Mitchels (off)

Glasdrumman v St Michaels (off)

Ardglass v Bredagh

O'Neills ACFL 4 S17

Bright v St Johns

Ballykinlar v Dromara

Aghaderg v Aughlisnafin



Saturday 23rd August

Powerade SFC Replay

5pm in Burren

Liatroim v Longstone

(extra-time if required)

Democrat Media JHC Replay

5pm in Kilclief

Portaferry v Clonduff

(extra-time if required)



Sunday 24th August

2pm PRFC

Ballymartin v Kilcoo

Bredagh v Saval

Burren v Bryansford

Carryduff v Mayobridge

6pm RFC

Darragh Cross v Drumaness

Bosco v Mayobridge

Rostrevor v Atticall

Castlewellan v An Riocht



Monday 25th August 7pm

O/S O'Neills ACFL

Div One

Rostrevor v Loughinisland

Ballyholland v Saval

Div Two

Warrenpoint v Annaclone

Clann Na Banna v Bryansford

Atticall v Downpatrick

Div Three

Bosco v Drumgath

Carryduff v Mitchels

Glasdrumman v St Michaels

Div Four

Aghaderg v Dromara



Tuesday 26 August 6:45pm

Democrat Media Hurling Championship Semi Finals

Intermediate

Portaferry 2 v Shamrocks in Liatroim (N Morgan)

Kilclief v Liatroim in Downpatrick (C O' Flynn)



Friday 29th / Sunday 31st August

SFC, IFC, JFC Quarter Finals



Friday 29th August

In Dundrum

7pm Junior Football Championship

Bright v Ballykinlar 

In Burren

7pm Around a Pound Intermediate Quarter Final

Drumgath v Annaclone

8.30pm Powerade Senior Football Championship

Saval v Liatroim or Longstone



Saturday 30th August

In Newcastle

Around a Pound Intermediate Championship

2pm Bredagh v Kilclief

Powerade Senior Football Championship

3.30pm Loughinisland v Downpatrick

In Pairc Esler

Around a Pound Intermediate Championship

6.30pm Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint

Powerade Senior Football Championship

8.30pm Burren v Kilcoo



Sunday 31st August

In Bright

Junior Football Championship

1pm St Johns v  Drumaness

In Saval

Junior Football Championship

1pm  Mitchels v St Pauls

2.30pm Aghaderg v St Michaels

In Hilltown

Around A Pound Intermediate Championship

5pm Darragh Cross v Shamrocks

Powerade Down Senior Football Championship

6.30pm Bryansford v Mayobridge






Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on August 21, 2008, 11:18:46 AM
QuoteI never actually seen an umpire give a wide from a free kick which was clearly over the bar (seen it happen from play a few times but never a free kick).

The said umpire shouldnt be officiating at games of this level anymore, he's been a great servant and has refeered countless games for both codes in the county but years ago during a match of ours he had to come over to the sideline and ask one of the management to read the time on his watch as he couldnt make it out, a bit of a liability.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on August 21, 2008, 11:21:09 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on August 21, 2008, 11:18:46 AM
QuoteI never actually seen an umpire give a wide from a free kick which was clearly over the bar (seen it happen from play a few times but never a free kick).

The said umpire shouldnt be officiating at games of this level anymore, he's been a great servant and has refeered countless games for both codes in the county but years ago during a match of ours he had to come over to the sideline and ask one of the management to read the time on his watch as he couldnt make it out, a bit of a liability.

Whens training again? i might get back to the hurling, prob do a better job there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 21, 2008, 11:37:41 AM
Also meant to congratulate Ballyholland on a terrific job with the ground looks really smart lads!!
The stand is the blueprint for what clubs throughout the county should be striving for!
I remember few years ago we used to hate going to your pitch because it was normally as hard as the road and bare but its in great nick now looks superb!!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 21, 2008, 11:43:28 AM
Thanks Guevara.....a lot of boys in the club have put a lot of time, effort and money into getting the ground to the standard it is now.

As for the pitch ....that's our Vice President Joe Kearney's baby.....he would be on the field every day doing some wee job.....he has it in great nick.....even if I say so myself you'd travel far to get a better playing surface.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 21, 2008, 11:46:13 AM
Hughes senior odds

4/5 MAYOBRIDGE
4/1 BURREN
4/1 KILCOO
10/1 LONGSTONE
8/1 BRYANSFORD
7/1 LOUGHINISLAND
14/1 SAVAL
14/1 LEITRIM
20/1 DOWNPATRICK
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 21, 2008, 11:51:31 AM
Our Nail, whats the odds on Point/ Burren Double championship win. Just curious.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 21, 2008, 12:03:12 PM
I'll have to get the odds for the point and get back to ya on that one... Will text fella I know from hughes see if they have new intermediate odds up. I would say the point would be cut a good bit after last night anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 21, 2008, 12:04:22 PM
In Kusadasi as we speak.... some great results from the bridge........... Kilcoo had there chance in the Bridge and i dont think Paul Devlin playing the prevoius night would have mattered that much!!!!.......... the Bridge boys were really up for it and it shows that they have a great future ahead of them!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 21, 2008, 12:06:18 PM
O Hare Stay well clear of Jimmy's and dont drink the Raki....rocket fuel.
but i doubt yer too worried about the drink that much. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on August 21, 2008, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 21, 2008, 12:04:22 PM
In Kusadasi as we speak.... some great results from the bridge........... Kilcoo had there chance in the Bridge and i dont think Paul Devlin playing the prevoius night would have mattered that much!!!!.......... the Bridge boys were really up for it and it shows that they have a great future ahead of them!!!!

Jimmys is some spot, but Tom ya may stay clear of those big women by strip offering sucky sucky for 5 euro!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 21, 2008, 12:09:30 PM
Jaysus that's good value :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 21, 2008, 12:13:36 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on August 21, 2008, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 21, 2008, 12:04:22 PM
In Kusadasi as we speak.... some great results from the bridge........... Kilcoo had there chance in the Bridge and i dont think Paul Devlin playing the prevoius night would have mattered that much!!!!.......... the Bridge boys were really up for it and it shows that they have a great future ahead of them!!!!

Jimmys is some spot, but Tom ya may stay clear of those big women by strip offering sucky sucky for 5 euro!!

10 euro now Danny..the credit crunch has hit turkey as well !!!! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on August 21, 2008, 12:16:31 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 21, 2008, 12:13:36 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on August 21, 2008, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 21, 2008, 12:04:22 PM
In Kusadasi as we speak.... some great results from the bridge........... Kilcoo had there chance in the Bridge and i dont think Paul Devlin playing the prevoius night would have mattered that much!!!!.......... the Bridge boys were really up for it and it shows that they have a great future ahead of them!!!!

Jimmys is some spot, but Tom ya may stay clear of those big women by strip offering sucky sucky for 5 euro!!

10 euro now Danny..the credit crunch has hit turkey as well !!!! ;D

10 euro, holy crap, soupy would have been broke after the first week when we were there!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 21, 2008, 12:51:01 PM
what happened to kilcoo last night? are the bridge an outstanding side or did kilcoo just flop?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on August 21, 2008, 02:47:51 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on August 21, 2008, 12:16:31 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 21, 2008, 12:13:36 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on August 21, 2008, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 21, 2008, 12:04:22 PM
In Kusadasi as we speak.... some great results from the bridge........... Kilcoo had there chance in the Bridge and i dont think Paul Devlin playing the prevoius night would have mattered that much!!!!.......... the Bridge boys were really up for it and it shows that they have a great future ahead of them!!!!

Jimmys is some spot, but Tom ya may stay clear of those big women by strip offering sucky sucky for 5 euro!!

10 euro now Danny..the credit crunch has hit turkey as well !!!! ;D

10 euro, holy crap, soupy would have been broke after the first week when we were there!!

Thats well harsh Danny lad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on August 21, 2008, 03:02:45 PM
Thought last nights game between Clann and the point was as good a game as youre gonna see, some fantastic football from both teams, and as has already been said the lad Boyle was the difference, he took some fine fine scores. The only down point on the game, apart from clann loosing oviously was the officials, how did he not send the lad off who took out the bann player along the side, it was as reckless a challenge as youll ever see, and the fella was already on a card, should have walked no question about it. Also the "point" that was not given from the free kick was an absolute shocking decision from the umpires, it was over the bar, clear as day. If they coulnt see that, then they should not be anywhere near the sticks

Thought it was absolutely hilariuos when the point lad puunched our number 4 (who isnt exactly the biggest fella in the world) in the back of the head, then ran away, absolute cowardice of the highest order.

Lastly im just glad that young mallon seemed to be alright last night, I heard an offal rumour that he had some sort of carrer threatning injury, though he seemed to have got over it, he scored an absolute cracker of a goal, but ill not tell you about, cos someones probably already put it in the irish news, perhaps hell put an apology in with it as well, and put the whole matter to bed once and for all, ill not hold my breath though, absolute joke of a lad!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 21, 2008, 03:07:18 PM
Dodgy Umpire - You may need a neutral to answer that one, I thought the Bridge were imense all over the field and were really up for it more than Kilcoo.  The Bridge were also a bit physically stronger.  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 21, 2008, 03:21:14 PM
Lads seriously get over Ryan Mallon!!!

I know him and can say I wouldnt imagine that he would miraculously make the "incident up"
The only people dragging it out is your club and people like you constantly bringing it up.
As already mentioned Ive heard from our players the threats he got last night throughout the game and the individuals involved are a disgrace!!

Get over it and concentrate on with the football!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 21, 2008, 03:26:43 PM
Superstar what happens off the field should stay off the field and you will do well to remember that and be mindful with your future comments or personal attacks on opposing players. Personally i think that if some of Clans players hadnt got so caught up in giving so much "attention" to one Point player then they might have had a better chance of winning. Also i dont think you would be man enough to go toe to toe with said player on the fiield of play either. Its so easy to hide behind an alias on a forum. Twit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardmhaca08 on August 21, 2008, 03:35:09 PM
there is alot of talk of this mayobridge team!! i heard it is very good!! very good last nyt so yas r sayin!! good to see that would like to see them do wel! was ne players missin frm either teams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 21, 2008, 03:36:29 PM
someone please answer me one question...








When are the schools back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 21, 2008, 03:39:46 PM
I can see what the clanns lads are saying, I know what I would think if the same happened our club and I would imagine most clubs in the county would take exception to this!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 21, 2008, 03:45:08 PM
i agree but nothing has been proven either way and its all pretty much speculation, and i dont think its for anyone on here to publically castigate players and try to smear someones character when really they arent in a position to comment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 21, 2008, 03:45:55 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 21, 2008, 03:39:46 PM
I can see what the clanns lads are saying, I know what I would think if the same happened our club and I would imagine most clubs in the county would take exception to this!

unless you are from brick tamlins club who obviously wouldnt mind the name of their club being dragged through the mud in national press for no reason.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 21, 2008, 03:56:11 PM
again as i said if you have facts either way about the incident or are in some way able to prove that the club name "was dragged through the mud in national press for no reason" then fair play to ye. Im not getting dragged into a debate on the rights and wrongs of off field incidents, im merely saying that i dont agree with people coming in here and making assumptions and character assassinations when really they know f**k all about what actually happened or didnt happen be it the case.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 21, 2008, 04:03:17 PM
surely it should be the other way round, the allegations should have been proven before the club name WAS dragged through the mud?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardmhaca08 on August 21, 2008, 04:05:51 PM
forget about mallon!! he is very stupid wat her done!! i heard that he was very drunk and fell and didnt wana tell ne1 that he was drinkin!! pretty sad if yas ask me if ya ave to make that up!! very stupid!! so ne1 missin frm mayobridge r kilcoo lst nyt? any stars for the future?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on August 21, 2008, 04:11:17 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 21, 2008, 04:03:17 PM
surely it should be the other way round, the allegations should have been proven before the club name WAS dragged through the mud?!

Correct!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 21, 2008, 04:11:53 PM
il ask the question again..







when are the schools back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 21, 2008, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 21, 2008, 04:11:53 PM
il ask the question again..







when are the schools back.

all depends what school and what year I think, but in saying that its back to normal by the 2nd

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 21, 2008, 04:17:46 PM
back to normal as in we get this board back to some semblance of normality.  I hope so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on August 21, 2008, 04:18:22 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 21, 2008, 03:26:43 PM
Superstar what happens off the field should stay off the field and you will do well to remember that and be mindful with your future comments or personal attacks on opposing players. Personally i think that if some of Clans players hadnt got so caught up in giving so much "attention" to one Point player then they might have had a better chance of winning. Also i dont think you would be man enough to go toe to toe with said player on the fiield of play either. Its so easy to hide behind an alias on a forum. Twit.

Interesting comments there Brick considering you called Ciaran McKeever a talentless thug not too long ago, some moral highground. i take it you would be man enough to go toe to toe with him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 21, 2008, 04:20:40 PM
Touché!  Look any chance that subject could be dropped I'm from neither club but can't even be arsed making a comment on it, as we've since found out it had nothing to do with clann na banna club...so go start a thread in the non gaa related section about it if yous want to bicker!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 21, 2008, 04:23:24 PM
summed it up well D4S. could you spell it out in big letters for brick together with the back to school dates. cheers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 21, 2008, 04:26:14 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 21, 2008, 03:36:29 PM
someone please answer me one question...








When are the schools back.

:D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on August 21, 2008, 05:11:45 PM
As has been said, the accusations should have been proved before the said player and his family contacted the press, to go on to a radio station with such a wide audience and slate an entire club was the wrong thing to do, if the lad had been telling the truth, the police would have analysed the cctv from the nite club and subsequently made arrests, this did not happen, why??? because the accusations were false, for whatever reason the story was told, he should be man enough to admit what actualy happened.

Brick, giving too much attention to one player was not a factor in banns defeat last night, the players on the field were focused on progressing in the championship first and foremost, as I have said the difference was boyles scores
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 21, 2008, 05:52:22 PM
bring back the lethal injection thats what I say
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tsunami on August 21, 2008, 06:01:18 PM
Quote from: Superstar on August 21, 2008, 03:02:45 PM
Thought last nights game between Clann and the point was as good a game as youre gonna see, some fantastic football from both teams, and as has already been said the lad Boyle was the difference, he took some fine fine scores. The only down point on the game, apart from clann loosing oviously was the officials, how did he not send the lad off who took out the bann player along the side, it was as reckless a challenge as youll ever see, and the fella was already on a card, should have walked no question about it. Also the "point" that was not given from the free kick was an absolute shocking decision from the umpires, it was over the bar, clear as day. If they coulnt see that, then they should not be anywhere near the sticks

Thought it was absolutely hilariuos when the point lad puunched our number 4 (who isnt exactly the biggest fella in the world) in the back of the head, then ran away, absolute cowardice of the highest order.

Lastly im just glad that young mallon seemed to be alright last night, I heard an offal rumour that he had some sort of carrer threatning injury, though he seemed to have got over it, he scored an absolute cracker of a goal, but ill not tell you about, cos someones probably already put it in the irish news, perhaps hell put an apology in with it as well, and put the whole matter to bed once and for all, ill not hold my breath though, absolute joke of a lad!!!!!
having watched the game and most of the other champioship games, it seems the refs can't win. when your player has the ball, you scream for a foul at the slightest contact, yet when the opposition have the ball and getting the daylights thumped out of him, you scream  fck sake ref its a mans game, let it go. also, its only negative cmments posted about  match officials, if merited, lets hear some positive comments. they can't all be bad!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on August 22, 2008, 01:53:48 PM
Good to see the board back to normal to keep Brick happy! :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on August 22, 2008, 02:44:44 PM
Ross reappointed as Down manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 22, 2008, 02:47:38 PM
Quote from: Down Gael on August 22, 2008, 02:44:44 PM
Ross reappointed as Down manager.

rightly so, is there any reports about this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on August 22, 2008, 02:50:58 PM
I got a text message earlier telling me about it, but its a reliable source. Its no real surprise anyway. Progress was made this year and should also be made in 2009. Well earned rest for everyone at the minute, but they will be back training before Christmas.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on August 22, 2008, 02:55:02 PM
Good decision. Real progress made, just has to get Walsh back now and you will be flying.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on August 22, 2008, 02:57:10 PM
If progress is to be made again in 2009 Down have to look forward, not back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on August 22, 2008, 03:19:02 PM
Quote from: Down Gael on August 22, 2008, 02:57:10 PM
If progress is to be made again in 2009 Down have to look forward, not back.

stating the obvious
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on August 22, 2008, 06:50:17 PM
Look for backs not forwards
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 22, 2008, 08:55:32 PM
Darragh Cross 0-12 Downpatrick 1-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kumquat on August 22, 2008, 09:11:16 PM
Saul 02 - 09 Drumaness 00 - 05
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 22, 2008, 09:50:20 PM
Down ACFL Division 2
Shamrocks 1-18  Dundrum 1-09

Probably the best we have played all year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on August 22, 2008, 10:26:03 PM
Div 4
Dromara   3-15   B/kinlar 1-5
Aghadreg 3-11   A/finn  1-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on August 22, 2008, 10:33:30 PM
St Pauls beat Teconnaught by a point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on August 22, 2008, 10:44:23 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on August 22, 2008, 10:26:03 PM
Div 4
Dromara   3-15   B/kinlar 1-5
Aghadreg 3-11   A/finn  1-13

div4
Bright 0.8 st Johns 4.16 div 4 champions after tonights result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 22, 2008, 11:58:11 PM
Ardglass bt by 4 by Breda.  Good competitive game.  The Ardglass goal with 2 mins to go made it very interesting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 23, 2008, 10:24:51 AM
loughinisland drew with burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 23, 2008, 10:49:25 AM
Anyone got all the scores from last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 23, 2008, 11:07:05 AM
Are none of the rostrevor or mayobridge men going to enlighten us on what happened at the end of their game last night? All I heard was there was a free for all in injury time, the ref walked off the field, but unsure if match abandoned or it was time up??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 23, 2008, 11:41:36 AM
Bridge winnin by a point at the end, still unsure myself if time was up! Rostrevor at it the whole game, niggly and starting fights! Bridge weren't good again rostrevor tore them apart at times! If they play like that next week it will be easy for Bryansford. Ronan sexton is prob playing the worst football of his career, he give away about 10 balls in a row and kicked 3 or 4 to keepers hands! I hope the management can get them back playing the way they can or we'll be out!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 23, 2008, 12:36:46 PM
I missed all the maddness at the end as I was talking Brendan Rooney to hostpital with a dislocated shoulder, he is out for the rest of the year. 

No one really knows if the game was finished or abandoned, the ref said different things to differernt people at the end so its unclear.  I heard it was just a 30 man pushing match with very few slaps if any threw.  It will be interesting to see the video of this one to work out what really went on, I hope get it later today.

Bridge Lad you are very harsh on Ronan Sexton, a few things didn't go for him but he doesn't deserve to be singled out for individual critisism.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 23, 2008, 03:22:18 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on August 23, 2008, 10:49:25 AM
Anyone got all the scores from last night?

O'Neills ACFL 1 S17

Kilcoo 1-14 Ballyholland 0-7

Mayobridge 1-13 Rostrevor 1-12

Loughinisland 0-11 Burren 1-8

Saval 1-8 An Riocht 1-18

O'Neills ACFL 2 S17

Ballymartin 1-11 Kilclief 0-12

Darragh Cross 0-12 Downpatrick 1-8

Atticall 1-5 Tullylish 0-18

Shamrocks 1-18 Dundrum 1-9

O'Neills ACFL 3 S22

Teconnaught 0-7 St Pauls 0-8

Saul 2-9 Drumaness 0-5

Ardglass 1-9 Bredagh 1-13

O'Neills ACFL 4 S17

Bright 0-8 St Johns 4-16

Ballykinlar 1-5 Dromara 3-15

Aghaderg 3-11 Aughlisnafin 1-13




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 23, 2008, 04:26:55 PM
Friday 22nd August
First Div table
P   W   D     L   Pts     SD   Teams
17   15   0     2   30     99   Mayobridge
17   12   1     4   25     77   Kilcoo
17     9   1     7   19       7   Burren
16     8   2     6   18       5   Rostrevor
16     9   0     7   18     -5   Longstone
16     7   4     5   18     -5   Loughinisland
16     9   0     7   18   -11   Clonduff
16     8   1     7   17     32   Castlewellan
16     4   2   10   10   -43   Saval
16     4   2   10   10   -42   Liatroim
17     3   1   13     7   -63   An Riocht
16     2   2   12     6   -51   Ballyholland

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 23, 2008, 08:06:24 PM
Liatriom beat longstone by two points in todays championship replay
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 23, 2008, 08:16:39 PM
JHC Semi final replay Clonduff 3-9 2-10 Portaferry. Very poor weather conditions for hurling in Kilclief.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on August 23, 2008, 10:32:27 PM
Good score achieved by the Finn, definite signs of improvement
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 23, 2008, 10:34:26 PM
Congratulation to Downfanatic and Niall Quinn for highest number of selection for first round of Down SFC, IFC and JFC.

The table finished as below.

17   Downfanatic
17   Niall Quinn
14   Amallon
14   Islandboy
14   Off the Laces
14   Umpire
13   Brick Tamlin
13   Bridgegael
13   Centre3/4
13   D45
13   Dundrumite
12   General
12   NO1
12   Square Ball
12   TheWobbler
11   Minus15


P.S
To Naill Quinn
Thank you for correcting me on few mistakes that i have made.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on August 24, 2008, 11:06:48 AM
Does anyone have an uptodate division 2 league table?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 24, 2008, 11:44:40 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on August 23, 2008, 10:32:27 PM
Good score achieved by the Finn, definite signs of improvement

they went 5-0 up the aghaderg got a man sent off and that woke them up i hear but definate improvement!

re liatroim stone match, referee almost caused an absolute riot, though with the 'vocal' stone fans that wouldnt be hard, jayus but they're wild, collie mccrickard sent off and out for us which is a huge loss for the next round, terrible game of footbal but it was satisfying til beat them!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 24, 2008, 05:04:55 PM
Latest ACFL Division 2 Table

Bryansford  16   32
Annaclone  16   22
Clann na Banna 14  20
Shamrocks  17   20
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Warrenpoint  14   18
Ballymartin  16  17
Darragh Cross  17   17
Attical  16   15
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Downpatrick  14  10
Tullylish   17  8
Kilclief   15   7
Dundrum   16   2

Outstanding Fixtures: Downpatrick v Attical + Downpatrick v Warrenpoint + Kilcilef v Banbridge + Downpatrick v Banbridge + Kilclief v Warrenpoint + Dundrum v Ballymartin + Warrenpoint Annaclone + Clann na Banna v Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on August 25, 2008, 02:03:20 AM
Championships Next Round  ...... predictions (including some guesses)

Tues 26th August
Intermediate Hurling Championship Semi Final: 6.45pm Portaferry 2 v Shamrocks (in Liatroim)      [Portaferry]
Intermediate Hurling Championship Semi Final: 6.45pm Kilclief v Liatroim (in Downpatrick)     [Kilclief]

Friday 29th August
In Dundrum
Junior Football Championship: 7pm Bright v Ballykinlar    [Bright]
In Burren
Around a Pound Intermediate Quarter Final: 7pm Drumgath v Annaclone    [Annaclone]
Powerade Senior Football Championship: 8.30pm Saval v Liatroim     [liatroim]

Saturday 30th August
In Newcastle
Around a Pound Intermediate Championship: 2pm Bredagh v Kilclief       [Bredagh]
Powerade Senior Football Championship: 3.30pm Loughinisland v Downpatrick      [Loughinisland]

In Pairc Esler
Around a Pound Intermediate Championship: 6.30pm Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint    [Warrenpoint]
Powerade Senior Football Championship: 8.30pm Burren v Kilcoo    [Kilcoo]

Sunday 31st August
In Bright
Junior Football Championship: 12pm St Johns v Drumaness    [Drumaness]

In Saval
Junior Football Championship: 1pm Mitchels v St Pauls     [St Pauls]
Junior Football Championship: 2.30pm Aghaderg v St Michaels    [St Michaels]

In Hilltown
Around A Pound Intermediate Championship: 5pm Darragh Cross v Shamrocks     [Shamrocks]
Powerade Down Senior Football Championship: 6.30pm Bryansford v Mayobridge    [Bryansford  ::)  ]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 25, 2008, 10:45:58 AM
Predictions for Quarter final of Down Championships


SFC;
Saval v Liatroim;    Liatroim
Loughinisland v Downpatrick;    Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo;    Burren
Bryansford v Mayobridge;    Mayobridge

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone;    Annaclone
Bredagh v Kilcleif;    Bredagh
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint;      Warrenpoint
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks;    Shamrocks

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar;    Bright
St John v Drumaness;    Drumaness
Newry Mitchels v St Paul;    St Paul
Aghaderg v St Michaels;    St. Michaels

Previous meetings in Down Senior Championship

2003 First Round
Burren 0.10 Kilcoo 2.5

Burrren team and scorers

Mark Rock;
Ronan McGivern, Ciaran Byrne, Brian Murphy;
Aidan McGivern, Ciaran Doyle? (not sure), Ronan McGivern 0.1;
Sean Ward, Gavin Murdock 0.3;
Eoin McCartan, Brendan McKernan, Joe McGovern 0.1;
Paudie Bradley 0.2, James McCartan 0.2, PJ McAlinden 0.1;
Subs used,  John Treanor, Declan Rooney and Chris McGovern.

Kilcoo team and scorers

James Kane;
Kevin Morgan 0.1, Aidan Brannigan, Brian O'Hanlon;
Conor Morgan, Sean O'Hanlon, Gerard McAvoy;
Terry O'Hanlon, Dominic McAvoy 0.1;
Anthony Devlin, Emmett Devlin, Mark Brannigan 1.3;
Conor Laverty, Martin Johnston, Gary McAvoy 1.0;
Subs used, Donal Kane, Barry Morgan, Niall McAvoy and Jerome Johnston

2003 Final
Bryansford 1.8 Mayobridge 0.9

Bryansford team and scorers
Peter Travers;
Jim McGorrian, Andrew Kane, John Cunningham;
Gene Morgan, Adrain Carville, Brian McVeigh;
Brian Burns 0.1 Colum King;
Chris Brannigan 0.6, Shane King, Gerard McCrickard;
Colm Kearney, Joe Ireland, Conor Gribben 1.0;
Subs used,  Stephen McKibben 0.1 and Gareth Toner

Mayobridge team and scorers
Sean Featherstone;
Darragh Tighe, Brendan Grant, Gavin Barry;
Ronan O'Hare, Francis Poland, Noel Sexton 0.1;
Eoin Woods, Declan Rooney;
Brendan Coulter 0.1, Michael Walsh 0.1, Ronan Sexton;
Mickey Linden 0.1, Robbie Coulter 0.2, Glen McMahon 0.1;
Subs used Adrain Barry 0.1 and Kieran O'Hare

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 25, 2008, 10:50:38 AM
Anyone see the incident in saturday nights game Stone v Liatroim involving McCrickard?
Did Stone supporter get involved?
Surely not or this would be 2nd year in row that one of their supporters has got involved with a player in championship!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 25, 2008, 11:11:04 AM
Quote from: guevara on August 25, 2008, 10:50:38 AM
Anyone see the incident in saturday nights game Stone v Liatroim involving McCrickard?
Did Stone supporter get involved?
Surely not or this would be 2nd year in row that one of their supporters has got involved with a player in championship!!



They are hard work them stone supporters unfortunately i was stuck in the middle of them could have done with subtitles to understand what they were saying half the time but got the jist of it. Dont think the championship has not lit up yet but our game on saturday night against Burren should be a real tussel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 25, 2008, 11:37:03 AM
SFC;
Saval v Liatroim;    Liatroim
Loughinisland v Downpatrick;    
Burren v Kilcoo;   
Bryansford v Mayobridge;    Mayobridge

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone;    Annaclone
Bredagh v Kilcleif;    Bredagh
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint;      Warrenpoint
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks;    Shamrocks

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar;    Bright
St John v Drumaness;    Drumaness
Newry Mitchels v St Paul;    Mitchels
Aghaderg v St Michaels;    St. Michaels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 25, 2008, 11:45:20 AM
SFC;
Saval v Liatroim    Saval
Loughinisland v Downpatrick    Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo    Burren
Bryansford v Mayobridge    Mayobridge

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone    Annaclone
Bredagh v Kilcleif    Bredagh
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint      Warrenpoint
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks    Shamrocks

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar    Bright
St John v Drumaness    Drumaness
Newry Mitchels v St Pauls    Mitchels
Aghaderg v St Michaels    St. Michaels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 25, 2008, 11:55:09 AM
SFC;
Saval v Liatroim    Saval
Loughinisland v Downpatrick    Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo    kilcoo
Bryansford v Mayobridge    Mayobridge

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone    Annaclone
Bredagh v Kilcleif    Kilclief
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint      Warrenpoint
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks    Shamrocks

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar    Bright
St John v Drumaness    Drumaness
Newry Mitchels v St Pauls   St pauls
Aghaderg v St Michaels    St. Michaels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 25, 2008, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: guevara on August 25, 2008, 10:50:38 AM
Anyone see the incident in saturday nights game Stone v Liatroim involving McCrickard?
Did Stone supporter get involved?
Surely not or this would be 2nd year in row that one of their supporters has got involved with a player in championship!!


Disappointing to go out of the championship to Liatroim, but honestly was not expecting a championship run this year with the amount of injuries we have.  The incident in question, there really is only one person to blame for it escalating to that and that is the referee.  He really was terrible, it was a really wet evening and his decisions were unbelievably poor.  McCrickard got frustrated by a minor getting the better of him and struck him after fouling him and got a red...Some of our supporters then who were all frustrated at the way the game had been panning out and the poor refereeing shouted abuse at McCrickard as he was going off (insert swear words and names of your choice here, im sure it was rough enough), McCrickard lost it then and was trying to jump the fence from what I could see.  I was standing on down a bit on scoreboard side of dugout so couldnt hear exactly what was being said just the commotion.  It has to be said though that the Liatroim supporters were not backward either in shouting abuse at our players and management.  Overall had no real significance on the result and both sets of supporters were vociferous to say the least...myself included.

We had the chances to put them away but didn't so has to come down to what happened on the pitch not the crowd.  Penalty miss in first half and numerous chances up front that went abegging in both halfs, combined with the atrocious playing conditions and abysmal refereeing led to a crap game of football, but it never lacked intensity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 25, 2008, 12:12:10 PM
Reading the predictions here i see alot of people are not giving the ford a chance against the bridge i would beg to differ. As a neutral i have been to a few of these games both in league and championship and there has never been a big lot between ythe teams on each occasion. The ford are missing a few from the team named above by a previous post like king, kearney and travers but they still have a good team there and they are still unbeaten this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 25, 2008, 12:12:23 PM
MY predictions hard to look by the favorites, tie of the round Burren v Kilcoo but I think Burren are very strong this year and are really gearing up for the championship.  Saval will beat Liatroim I think, Liatroim missing McCrickard now and they're very quick upfront so fancy them in that tie.   If it had of been Longstone meeting Saval I would have been worried as theyve beaten us twice this year.  Mayobridge will need to up their game bigtime to beat Bryansford as they haven't been playing well...but they wont underestimate Bryansford and it should be another good game.  Hopefully we'll get a dry weekend for a change and see some good football not hampered by the weather.

SFC;
Saval v Liatroim    Saval
Loughinisland v Downpatrick    Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo    Burren
Bryansford v Mayobridge    Mayobridge

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone    Annaclone
Bredagh v Kilcleif    Bredagh
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint      Warrenpoint
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks    Shamrocks

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar    Bright
St John v Drumaness    Drumaness
Newry Mitchels v St Pauls    Newry Mitchels
Aghaderg v St Michaels    St. Michaels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 25, 2008, 12:38:06 PM
SFC
Saval v Liatroim
Saval have probably got the better balanced team, and definitely got a better squad overall. Fontenoys are on a bit of a roll though and have the individuals in key positions, and I can see them squeezing though. Liatroim by 1.

Loughinisland v Downpatrick
Even if the Hoops put in their performance of the season, Loughinisland should still be able to win this without hitting top gear. If they hit top gear and Hoops aren't fully focused, this will be a demolition job. I imagine Downpatrick will be up for it though. 'Island by 5.

Burren v Kilcoo
An Boireann have begun to get something approaching their first choice forward line in place, and being Burren, they'll have no fear or respect for their opponents whatsoever. But with the likes Cunningham, Byrne and McGivern occupying central positions, they could be exposed for mobility by a quick, committed team, which pretty much sums Kilcoo up. Kilcoo by 3.

Bryansford v Mayobridge
Mayobridge may have been off the boil against Clonduff, but that could be bad news 'Ford, as a kick up the arse could turn the Sky Blues determined - in which case there's only going to be one winner. Either way, I can't see wee Brannigan getting much change out of Gavin Barry, so I'd suggest that without their main point scoring threat, Bryansford are going to need to score 3 goals to keep this competitive. Mayobridge by 6.

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone
The derby element should keep this interesting for 15 minutes or so, and the inevitable lack of discipline should give spectators something to talk about. But if Drumgath would need the worst of condition and the friendliest of referees get within 10 points of their neighbours at present. Clone by 12.

Bredagh v Kilclief
This is an awkward one to call. Bredagh have been a reasonably consistent side, albeit at Division III level, for a couple of years now, while two Kilclief wins in a row would be a genuine cause for celebrations up on the Lough. But if Kilclief's main crew haven't got a stick match to attend, or haven't embarked en masse on a stag weekend (which they seem to do innumerable times a year), they should be too physically stong. Kilclief by 3.

Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint
'Point showed a lot of resolve against Clan na Banna last week, and in fairness have a very handy spine to their team, a spine capable of lifting this cup. Glassdrumman have a useful enough spine too, but the Point should expose them a bit for pace and class when it matters. Warrenpoint by 7.

Darragh Cross v Shamrocks
Potentially the tie of the round in the IFC. Unlike the other games, if both teams turn up here at full strength and commitment, this should go to the wire. Despite the ongoing criticism of their selection, Seamrogai's county boys should give an edge in terms of class and athleticism, but Darragh are well organised and have the rural club mentality to see them through a tight finish. Draw.

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar
I was surprised that Bright didn't rattle up a bigger score against the Finn, but if you has to choose 2 games to get to a semi-final, you would have picked Finn and Ballykinlar beforehand, and they should win this encounter by a similar margin. Bright by 11.

St Johns v Drumaness
We played Drumaness in the RFC a few weeks back and they'd half-a-dozen players at that level who would easily shine at JFC level too. Based on that, I'll take Drumaness by 6.

Newry Mitchels v St Pauls
This really hinges on whether the Mitchels are up for it, and only having to travel to Saval should help. St Paul's have the league form and seem to building year on year, something you could never really levy at the Newry men. St Paul's by 4.

Aghaderg v St Michaels
Aghaderg haven't really got going this season and shouldn't make much of an impact on a St Michael's side who are holding up well in the third. St Mick's by 8.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 25, 2008, 01:30:55 PM
Quote from: D4S on August 25, 2008, 12:12:23 PM
MY predictions hard to look by the favorites, tie of the round Burren v Kilcoo but I think Burren are very strong this year and are really gearing up for the championship.  Saval will beat Liatroim I think, Liatroim missing McCrickard now and they're very quick upfront so fancy them in that tie.   If it had of been Longstone meeting Saval I would have been worried as theyve beaten us twice this year.  Mayobridge will need to up their game bigtime to beat Bryansford as they haven't been playing well...but they wont underestimate Bryansford and it should be another good game.  Hopefully we'll get a dry weekend for a change and see some good football not hampered by the weather.



Havent been playing well - beaten once all year - I would say that is form......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 25, 2008, 01:44:28 PM
If you read back a few pages on this board you will see from mayobridge posters that they don't think they've been performing well..or to their high standards we all know they're capable of, is what I meant.  They've been beaten at least twice also spirit...Kilcoo and castlewellan have both beaten them in the league.  Didn't perform against clonduff in round1 of championship and played poorly against rostrevor Friday night.  They won these latter 2 games but I'm saying they will need to up it a gear for Bryansford again.  Which I think they will!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 25, 2008, 02:01:45 PM
SFC;
Saval v Liatroim;    Liatroim by 1it will be tight without McCrickard
Loughinisland v Downpatrick;    Loughinisland by 4
Burren v Kilcoo;    Kilcoo by 3 with maybe one sending off in the game
Bryansford v Mayobridge;    Mayobridge by 5+

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone;    Annaclone by 4
Bredagh v Kilcleif;    Kilclief by 2 would gladly like to be wrong on this one ;D ;D
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint;      Warrenpoint by 5
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks;    Shamrocks by 2

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar;    Bright by 7
St John v Drumaness;    St Johns by 3
Newry Mitchels v St Paul;    St Paul by 3
Aghaderg v St Michaels;    St. Michaels by 6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 25, 2008, 02:16:25 PM
SFC;
Saval v Liatroim;    Liatroim
Loughinisland v Downpatrick;    Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo;    Kilcoo
Bryansford v Mayobridge;    Mayobridge

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone;    Annaclone
Bredagh v Kilcleif;    Kilclief
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint;      Warrenpoint
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks;    Darragh

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar;    Bright
St John v Drumaness;    Drumaness
Newry Mitchels v St Paul;    St Pauls
Aghaderg v St Michaels;    St. Michaels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 25, 2008, 02:22:05 PM
Quarter Final Predictions

SFC

Mayobridge v Bryansford - The Ford done brilliantly to overcome Castlewellan but Mayobridge may just be a step too far. They just about overcame Clonduff in the 1st Round and this suggests that they arent anywhere near full tilt at the moment. I can see them opening up a bit more against the Newcastle men and they will more than likely advance. - Mayobridge

Saval v Liatroim - The Fontenoy's scalp of Longstone was a very positive one in my eyes. Likewise, Saval's progression against Ballyholland was also very well merited. The League Table suggests this may be a tight affair. It could be but Id expect the class of P.P McCartan and Aidan O'Prey to shine through and Liatroim may just find themselves in the Semis. - Liatroim

Burren v Kilcoo - The big question here is whether Kilcoo can really come of age and banish their Championship hoodoo. They were in superb form against the Kingdom while Burren did what they had to do against a poor Attical offering. Id put a sizeable amount of cash on Kilcoo winning this one. Their fluidity and mobility may have Burren in knots by the end of this one. - Kilcoo

Loughinisland  v Downpatrick - Both these teams know each other really well. I was suprised that Dpk beat Ballymartin in the 1st Round. Having said that the Hoops arent an overly great side at the moment but their Championship nous means they'll not lie down for this encounter. Loughinisland's win over Rostrevor was incredibly understated and I just cant see by them for this one. - Loughinisland


IFC

Drumgath v Annaclone - I fully expected both these teams to come through in the 1st Round. However, Drumgath's dream stops here. Annaclone to emerge victors. - Annaclone

Darragh Cross v Shamrocks - Very hard one to call. Ive seen both teams recently and they are very similar in their makeup. However, I believe the quartet of Shamrock's county men may be able to lift them enough to edge this one. Id expect it to be very tight. - Shamrocks

Bredagh v Kilclief - Bredagh beat us convincingly enough last time out but I just cant see them taking Kilclief. The only way this will happen is if the men from the shore have a particularly bad day at the office. Kilclief may be staring Division 3 football in the face but they have enough experience and grit to make the last 4. - Kilclief

Warrenpoint v Glasdrumman - Intriguing tie. The Point needed to pull out all the stops against Banbridge last week while Glasdrumman beat Bosco handy enough. A simple gulf in class will decide this and a strong Point attacking force will totally upset Glasdrumman. - Warrenpoint

JFC

Bright v Ballykinlar - Bright are poor this year. Ballykinlar are poor every year. There will be a tense derby flavour to this one. The Kinlar would really have to extend themselves to no end to progress here. Bright will win this but their title aspirations will stop short at the Semis. - Bright

St Johns v Drumaness - Nightmare of a game to predict. How good at this level are St Johns? They have pillaged the rest of Division 4 with relative ease but now they face their biggest test yet. Drumaness will be smarting from last year's Final defeat but the big 'if' with them for this game is which Drumaness team will turn up? Im going for a pretty solid offering from them and I can just about see them through. - Drumaness

Aghaderg v St Michaels - St Michaels are dark horses for this Championship in my eyes. They are a better side than the Derg and with a potent attacking force at this level, they will be in the draw for the next round. - St Michaels

Mitchels v St Pauls - Holywood is slowly but surely on the rise in terms of GAA development. From underage up St Pauls are making great strides and its fantastic to see. They will be firing on all cylinders for this one and Mitchels have been dreadfully poor this year. The North Down men to saunter through. - St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on August 25, 2008, 02:49:42 PM
SFC
Saval v Liatroim;    Liatroim
Loughinisland v Downpatrick;    Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo;    Kilcoo
Bryansford v Mayobridge;    Mayobridge

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone;    Annaclone
Bredagh v Kilclief;    Bredagh
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint;     Warrenpoint
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks;    Darragh Cross

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar;    Bright
St Johns v Drumaness;   Drumaness
Newry Mitchels v St Pauls;    St Pauls
Aghaderg v St Michaels;    St. Michaels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 25, 2008, 03:04:41 PM

SFC
Saval v Liatroim;    saval
Loughinisland v Downpatrick;    Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo;    burren
Bryansford v Mayobridge;    Mayobridge

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone;    Annaclone
Bredagh v Kilclief;    kilclief
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint;     Warrenpoint
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks;    shamrocks

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar;    Bright
St Johns v Drumaness;   Drumaness
Newry Mitchels v St Pauls;   mitchels
Aghaderg v St Michaels;    St. Michaels

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on August 25, 2008, 05:31:56 PM
Quote from: D4S on August 25, 2008, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: guevara on August 25, 2008, 10:50:38 AM
Anyone see the incident in saturday nights game Stone v Liatroim involving McCrickard?
Did Stone supporter get involved?
Surely not or this would be 2nd year in row that one of their supporters has got involved with a player in championship!!


the main problem that riled the longstone supporters was the refs decision to send mark poland off for absolutely nothing. referee was diabolical.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on August 25, 2008, 05:48:35 PM
SFC
Saval v Liatroim;    Liatroim
Loughinisland v Downpatrick;    Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo;    Kilcoo
Bryansford v Mayobridge;    Bryansford

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone;    Annaclone
Bredagh v Kilclief;    Bredagh
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint;     Warrenpoint
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks;    Darragh Cross

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar;    Bright
St Johns v Drumaness;   St Johns
Newry Mitchels v St Pauls;    St Pauls
Aghaderg v St Michaels;    St. Michaels

Just to be different I will go for a Bryansford win.   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 25, 2008, 06:27:03 PM
Quote from: miss mess on August 25, 2008, 05:31:56 PM
Quote from: D4S on August 25, 2008, 12:05:03 PM
Quote from: guevara on August 25, 2008, 10:50:38 AM
Anyone see the incident in saturday nights game Stone v Liatroim involving McCrickard?
Did Stone supporter get involved?
Surely not or this would be 2nd year in row that one of their supporters has got involved with a player in championship!!


the main problem that riled the longstone supporters was the refs decision to send mark poland off for absolutely nothing. referee was diabolical.


did that give them the right to attack collie mccrickard with an umbrella??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 25, 2008, 08:14:19 PM
Have you seen the wire round that pitch, you couldnt get over it if you tried so I don't think he was going to come to any harm bridgegael  ::)  I'm sure what happened was a lot less than what went on with your players and subs on Friday night...People in glass houses and all that ;)


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on August 25, 2008, 08:53:01 PM
ACFL DIV3 RESULT

Bosco 1-9
Drumgath 2-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on August 25, 2008, 10:15:28 PM
Warrenpoint 3-14 Annaclone 3-10

Heard that Banbridge beat Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on August 25, 2008, 11:50:17 PM
ACFL Div 4
Dromara 0-13  Aghaderg 0-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on August 26, 2008, 08:31:02 AM
Aye bann beat Bryansford by 2 points last nite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 26, 2008, 09:00:52 AM
Were the Ford at full tilt or were they resting lads for Sunday night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on August 26, 2008, 09:24:19 AM
SFC
Saval v Liatroim;    Liatroim
Loughinisland v Downpatrick;    Loughinisland and our first semi in 15/16 years )
Burren v Kilcoo;    Kilcoo
Bryansford v Mayobridge;    bridge

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone;    Annaclone
Bredagh v Kilclief;    Bredagh
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint;     Warrenpoint
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks;    shamrocks

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar;    Bright
St Johns v Drumaness;   St Johns
Newry Mitchels v St Pauls;    St Pauls
Aghaderg v St Michaels;    St. Michaels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 26, 2008, 09:59:09 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 26, 2008, 09:00:52 AM
Were the Ford at full tilt or were they resting lads for Sunday night?
If they have any sense they will have rested boys. They know they have the play off place in the bag.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on August 26, 2008, 10:37:58 AM
just a point i think should be made in respect of the senior quarter finals. 4 east down teams are in the quarter finals yet only one game being played in east down. was looking froward to the kilcoo game but as it is in newry it is an hour there and so i will not be going. i appreciate that newry has a lot of work done to it but the atmosphere at another venue would be better. finally i think it is a disgrace that the game is under lights. i heard kilcoo are objecting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on August 26, 2008, 11:02:26 AM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on August 23, 2008, 11:41:36 AM
Bridge winnin by a point at the end, still unsure myself if time was up! Rostrevor at it the whole game, niggly and starting fights! Bridge weren't good again rostrevor tore them apart at times! If they play like that next week it will be easy for Bryansford. Ronan sexton is prob playing the worst football of his career, he give away about 10 balls in a row and kicked 3 or 4 to keepers hands! I hope the management can get them back playing the way they can or we'll be out!

Just to clarify a few things here Bridge lad.  'Rostrevor at it the whole game'.  Typical one sided comment from someone who will not take account of their own teams actions.  No mention of Sextons kick to a Rostrevor player right in front of the ref who proceeded to issue only a yellow card.  If a red had been given perhaps the whole melee might not have arisen.  Or in fact the same players attempted headbutt!!  Or what about young Bradys succession of punches!  Now i know he is a boxer but he should keep that in the ring i think. 

Certainly Rostrevor were not innocent, far from it!  Both teams have to take account for the aggression shown in the last 20 minutes when the game was at its closest.  There are conflicting reports on whether the game was abandoned or not.  The half hour was up yes, but according to the ref there was still 2 minutes to play.  Both teams will probably be fined and the only question will be whether the bridge get the points or not as they were leading by a point at the time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 26, 2008, 11:26:39 AM
guaranteed minimum action will be taken with so many Bridge men on the CCC and also wont want to upset the county players!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 26, 2008, 11:49:55 AM
Who are all these many Bridge men on the CCC?  Sean Rooney is assistant secretary and Johny McConville is our club delegate at county board, just the way as every other club has their delegates to the county board.  By my reckoning having one man in a position of power isn't going to allow us to ride rough shod over the rest of the county when it comes to applying the rules.

We only had two Bridge men play in the championship for Down and I can't see what relevance keeping them happy is to any punishment (if any) the Bridge and Rostrevor will get.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on August 26, 2008, 12:17:14 PM
Quote from: islandboy on August 26, 2008, 10:37:58 AM
just a point i think should be made in respect of the senior quarter finals. 4 east down teams are in the quarter finals yet only one game being played in east down. was looking froward to the kilcoo game but as it is in newry it is an hour there and so i will not be going. i appreciate that newry has a lot of work done to it but the atmosphere at another venue would be better. finally i think it is a disgrace that the game is under lights. i heard kilcoo are objecting


5 EAST DOWN TEAMS ACTUALLY!We have little enough to blow about in East Down ,so when we get a few teams in the final stages ,we may as well crow about it.!
Regarding East Down venues,if you look at the pairings the venues are fairly equidistant for both teams,the fixtures secretary should not be expected to manipulate the venues ,just to keep East Down sweet--we are one county after all.

Regarding Newry,it's an excellent venue,which cost dear,we should use it as much as we can,especially under lights ,which makes for a great atmosphere in our showpiece stadium.Let's face the vast majority of Down GAA supporters actually are fairly accessible to Newry,and whether we in East Down like it or not,there is not the same level of neutral support likely to turn out in East Down venues.

Coming from an East Down club even less accessible to Newry,than yourselves Island boy,I would love to get the opportunity to support my club in Pairc Esler in a champiuonship QF.

The fixture secretary has a thankless task keeping everyone sweet,and floodlit fixtures are a must to get the fixture list completed.It was made clear to clubs that floodlit fixtures are always a possibility.Whereas I can sympathise with Kilcoo ,if the fixtures secretary allows certain clubs opt out of floodlit venues,the whole fixtures calender would be in chaos.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: county colours on August 26, 2008, 12:25:13 PM
Anyone know when the next round of league fixtures is goin to be played? Friday 5th Sept?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 26, 2008, 02:03:00 PM
Latest ACFL Division 2 Table

Bryansford  17   32
Annaclone  17   22
Clann na Banna 15  22
Shamrocks  17   20
----------------------------------
Warrenpoint  15   20
Ballymartin  16  17
Darragh Cross  17   17
Attical  16   15
--------------------------------
Downpatrick  14  10
Tullylish   17  8
Kilclief   15   7
Dundrum   16   2

Outstanding Fixtures: Downpatrick v Attical + Downpatrick v Warrenpoint + Kilcilef v Banbridge + Downpatrick v Banbridge + Kilclief v Warrenpoint + Dundrum v Ballymartin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on August 26, 2008, 04:36:03 PM
Was at Annaclone Warrenpoint game last night, not great game, few jammy goals by annaclone!! Couldnt believe Warrenpoint as a team! All taped up, cycling shorts, socks up, white boots, and sleeves and wrists taped. Very posey looking i thought.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 26, 2008, 05:24:49 PM
SFC
Saval v Liatroim;  SAVAL
Loughinisland v Downpatrick;    LOUGHISLAND
Burren v Kilcoo;    BURREN
Bryansford v Mayobridge;    MAYOBRIDGE

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone;    ANNACLONE
Bredagh v Kilclief;    BREDAGH
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint;    GLASDRUMMAN
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks;    SHAMROCKS

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar;    BRIGHT
St Johns v Drumaness;   DRUMANESS
Newry Mitchels v St Pauls;    ST PAULS
Aghaderg v St Michaels;    ST MICHAELS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 26, 2008, 05:30:42 PM
Quote from: Super Dupe on August 26, 2008, 11:02:26 AM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on August 23, 2008, 11:41:36 AM
Bridge winnin by a point at the end, still unsure myself if time was up! Rostrevor at it the whole game, niggly and starting fights! Bridge weren't good again rostrevor tore them apart at times! If they play like that next week it will be easy for Bryansford. Ronan sexton is prob playing the worst football of his career, he give away about 10 balls in a row and kicked 3 or 4 to keepers hands! I hope the management can get them back playing the way they can or we'll be out!

Just to clarify a few things here Bridge lad.  'Rostrevor at it the whole game'.  Typical one sided comment from someone who will not take account of their own teams actions.  No mention of Sextons kick to a Rostrevor player right in front of the ref who proceeded to issue only a yellow card.  If a red had been given perhaps the whole melee might not have arisen.  Or in fact the same players attempted headbutt!!  Or what about young Bradys succession of punches!  Now i know he is a boxer but he should keep that in the ring i think. 

Certainly Rostrevor were not innocent, far from it!  Both teams have to take account for the aggression shown in the last 20 minutes when the game was at its closest.  There are conflicting reports on whether the game was abandoned or not.  The half hour was up yes, but according to the ref there was still 2 minutes to play.  Both teams will probably be fined and the only question will be whether the bridge get the points or not as they were leading by a point at the time.


Aye good one 1!!!! :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 26, 2008, 05:54:14 PM
The result was in yesterdays Irish News think it was 1-13 to 1-12 so looks as if referee blew final whistle and put in his report with that as final score, I think that would mean Mayobridge get the points, or will there be a hearing about it?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 26, 2008, 06:16:08 PM
SFC
Saval v Liatroim;  LIATROIM
Loughinisland v Downpatrick;    LOUGHINISLAND
Burren v Kilcoo;    BURREN
Bryansford v Mayobridge;    DRAW

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone;    ANNACLONE
Bredagh v Kilclief;    BREDAGH
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint;    WARRENPOINT
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks;    SHAMROCKS

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar;    BRIGHT
St Johns v Drumaness;   DRAW
Newry Mitchels v St Pauls;    ST PAULS
Aghaderg v St Michaels;    ST MICHAELS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 26, 2008, 06:38:26 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 26, 2008, 09:00:52 AM
Were the Ford at full tilt or were they resting lads for Sunday night?

We were five short with two of these serious doubts for sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 26, 2008, 07:14:28 PM
i don't see why the matches should be played under floodlights.  take saturday nights match,  20.30 start,  this means that teams will still be playing at around quarter to ten!  they could have just started the double header at 4 and second game at 17.45.  i'm not surprised the clubs involved are complaining.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 26, 2008, 07:46:44 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on August 26, 2008, 06:38:26 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 26, 2008, 09:00:52 AM
Were the Ford at full tilt or were they resting lads for Sunday night?

We were five short with two of these serious doubts for sunday.

who are your doubts spirit ;) :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on August 26, 2008, 08:16:09 PM
Could some one post the the hurley results when they are known?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 26, 2008, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: Bacon on August 26, 2008, 08:16:09 PM
Could some one post the the hurley results when they are known?

Is hurley anything like hurling? ;D
Title: Madden GFC Presents Charity Match for Newry Hospice
Post by: armagh leg-end on August 26, 2008, 11:08:50 PM
Madden GFC Present this charity match in aid of Newry Hospice.

A number of current and former county stars will be representing each club along with some legends of Madden GFC.

This match is part of the celebrations for the 75th Anniversary of the club.

All Support Appreciated!


(http://file046b.bebo.com/16/large/2008/08/26/21/188623226a8742439929l.jpg)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 27, 2008, 07:57:44 AM
IHC Semi Final Results

Liatroim 2-14 Kilclief 1-07
Portaferry 4-15 Shamrock's 1-15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 27, 2008, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 27, 2008, 07:57:44 AM
IHC Semi Final Results

Liatroim 2-14 Kilclief 1-07
Portaferry 4-15 Shamrock's 1-15


I hope pull hard wasn't giving off about dule again!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 27, 2008, 12:38:52 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 27, 2008, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 27, 2008, 07:57:44 AM
IHC Semi Final Results

Liatroim 2-14 Kilclief 1-07
Portaferry 4-15 Shamrock's 1-15


I hope pull hard wasn't giving off about dule again!

Dule scored 2-7. A significant contribution. I think there will be more said later in the year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on August 27, 2008, 03:57:49 PM

Saval v Liatroim;  Liatroim
Loughinisland v Downpatrick;    Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo;    Burren
Bryansford v Mayobridge;    Mayobridge

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone;    Annaclone
Bredagh v Kilclief;    Kilclief
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint;    Warrenpoint
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks;    Shamrocks

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar;    Bright
St Johns v Drumaness;   Drumaness
Newry Mitchels v St Pauls;    ST Pauls
Aghaderg v St Michaels;    ST Michaels


Bryansford Mayobridge has potential to be tie of the round, but if the Bridge up their game from their last outing they should win by 3 or 4. Burren Kilcoo has the makings of a cracker and would not be surprised if theirs fireworks at this one. To beat Kilcoo you have to match them with honesty and endeavour and from what I saw of Burren at our pitch last Friday they will match them in that department. Their tackling was fierce and they appear to be coming strong at the right time. But it should be very close.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 27, 2008, 04:11:53 PM
Does anyone know for definite if monday nights games are on, as asking some teams like st pauls to play 2 days in a row may be a bit to far.
do you know st pauls?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on August 27, 2008, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 27, 2008, 12:38:52 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 27, 2008, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 27, 2008, 07:57:44 AM
IHC Semi Final Results

Liatroim 2-14 Kilclief 1-07
Portaferry 4-15 Shamrock's 1-15


I hope pull hard wasn't giving off about dule again!

Dule scored 2-7. A significant contribution. I think there will be more said later in the year.

Portferry didn't break any rules and if Newry or Bredagh had had a player like Paul Braniff available they would surely play him. Ballygalget played Martin Coulter last year.

However the structure of the IHC and Junior Hurling Championship needs to be looked. There are a number of issues to address - senior players playing IHC or JHC is one. Representatives in Ulster if an Ards team win the IHC or JHC is another and Ards clubs unable to enter the IHC or JHC in the year after they win the IHC is a third.

We need to come up with a solution that addresses all 3 problems IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 27, 2008, 04:44:47 PM
Quote from: off the laces on August 27, 2008, 04:11:53 PM
Does anyone know for definite if monday nights games are on, as asking some teams like st pauls to play 2 days in a row may be a bit to far.
do you know st pauls?

yeah, i heard that rumour going round the changing room last night after training that we have a game next Monday, as per yesterday's Irish News.
we are still in the dark as to whether it is true or not, but it wouldn't be fair to any team to a game 2 days in a row!
I would think the CB have just gotten mixed up with this, although it wouldn't surprise me!!
(retreats to a dark corner awaiting the back lash of defence for the CB)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 27, 2008, 10:58:52 PM
big problrm for next monday games is whether a game starting at 7 could finish before dark.
Unfair to start them earlier with guys coming from work
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 28, 2008, 08:13:44 AM
i see dpk also have a game against attical nxt monday night, although they play on saturday in the championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on August 28, 2008, 10:35:35 AM
Sorry I missed the start of this. Ive been away. Can I enter now?


SFC
Saval v Liatroim;  LIATROIM
Loughinisland v Downpatrick;    LOUGHINISLAND
Burren v Kilcoo;    KILCOO
Bryansford v Mayobridge;   BRIDGE


IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone;    ANNACLONE
Bredagh v Kilclief;    KILCLIEF
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint;    GLASDRUMMAN
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks;    SHAMROCKS

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar;    BRIGHT
St Johns v Drumaness;   DRUMANESS
Mitchels v St Pauls;    MITCHEL'S
Aghaderg v St Michaels;    ST MICHAELS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 28, 2008, 12:22:48 PM
My Picks..

SFC
Saval v Liatroim;  LIATROIM
Loughinisland v Downpatrick;    LOUGHINISLAND
Burren v Kilcoo;    BURREN
Bryansford v Mayobridge;   DRAW

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone;    DRUMGATH
Bredagh v Kilclief;    KILCLIEF
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint;    WARRENPOINT
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks;    SHAMROCKS

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar;    BRIGHT
St Johns v Drumaness;   DRUMANESS
Mitchels v St Pauls;    MITCHEL'S
Aghaderg v St Michaels;    ST MICHAELS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on August 28, 2008, 12:46:19 PM
You get down from that high horse Brick?  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on August 28, 2008, 12:54:02 PM
we play saturday in championship and then rostrevor on monday followed by the bridge on friday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 28, 2008, 12:56:30 PM
Corn.......Never!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 28, 2008, 02:09:53 PM
SFC
Saval v Liatroim;  liatroim
Loughinisland v Downpatrick;    loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo;    kilcoo
Bryansford v Mayobridge;   Mayobridge

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone;    Annaclone
Bredagh v Kilclief;    Bredagh
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint;    Warrenpoint
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks;    SHAMROCKS

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar;    BRIGHT
St Johns v Drumaness;   St Johns
Mitchels v St Pauls;    St Pauls
Aghaderg v St Michaels;    ST MICHAELS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on August 28, 2008, 03:22:42 PM
It is a measure of the high esteem in which the county board holds St Pauls that they are asked to travel the length of the county to play Newry Mitchels in their backyard then play a league game the following night against a team who refused to play on both the originally fixed date and a second date offered by St Pauls (yet were able to send their reserves to the same venue on the same date!).

SFC
Saval v Liatroim;  liatroim
Loughinisland v Downpatrick;    loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo;    kilcoo (C)
Bryansford v Mayobridge;   Bryansford

IFC
Drumgath v Annaclone;    Annaclone
Bredagh v Kilclief;    Bredagh
Glasdrumman v Warrenpoint;    Warrenpoint (C)
Darragh Cross v Shamrocks;    SHAMROCKS

JFC
Bright v Ballykinlar;    BRIGHT
St Johns v Drumaness;   St Johns (C)
Mitchels v St Pauls;    DRAW St Pauls to win the replay at Pairc Esler on a weds night
Aghaderg v St Michaels;    ST MICHAELS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on August 28, 2008, 04:05:40 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 28, 2008, 12:56:30 PM
Corn.......Never!!

Hha good lad, what are Glasdrummand like?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 28, 2008, 04:24:22 PM
dont know why your asking me, i aint from Glassdrumman, i assume they are a good side, and have a few handy footballers, one very talented forward who was centre forward for the county minors this year, Connaire Harrison who can be very dangerous. and also in cormac murphy they have a dead ball specialist but apart from that dont know much else about them  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 28, 2008, 05:34:48 PM
Cant see them fixtures taking place in such a short space of time. Could you imagine the uproar it would cause in the premiership if they were asked to do that??? They are professional athletes whose in- between days would be focused around recovery not bricklaying etc Nah I would be very surprised if we dont get an announcement very shortly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down_head on August 28, 2008, 07:02:35 PM
wel!! do yas no who is favourites for minor championship? wil dey go on and win ulster?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 28, 2008, 10:18:06 PM
Can I refer Brick Tamlin and Corn O2 to previous posts about the Quarter Road residents. It is neither Glasdrummand nor Glassdrumman, but Glasdrumman. They are the best footballing side in division three, so perhaps we could take the trouble to spell their name correctly. On a good day, they will also give Warrenpoint quite a game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 28, 2008, 11:25:17 PM
Quote from: down_head on August 28, 2008, 07:02:35 PM
wel!! do yas no who is favourites for minor championship? wil dey go on and win ulster?

mayobridge are the most obvious pick after the kilcoo result it would seem, bredagh as the dark horse
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 29, 2008, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: passedit on August 28, 2008, 03:22:42 PM
It is a measure of the high esteem in which the county board holds St Pauls that they are asked to travel the length of the county to play Newry Mitchels in their backyard then play a league game the following night against a team who refused to play on both the originally fixed date and a second date offered by St Pauls (yet were able to send their reserves to the same venue on the same night.

Edit i think you will find that was due to a fixtures c**k up in that saul where to play bosco at bosco and the two teams had arranged the alternative date as bosco could not field then so SAUL accomodated them, then co. board put the original fixtures back in to place where SAUL where to play St Pauls but saul had made other arrangements for the thursday to monday night.
This is the reason for this rearranged fixture Passedit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on August 29, 2008, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: off the laces on August 29, 2008, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: passedit on August 28, 2008, 03:22:42 PM
It is a measure of the high esteem in which the county board holds St Pauls that they are asked to travel the length of the county to play Newry Mitchels in their backyard then play a league game the following night against a team who refused to play on both the originally fixed date and a second date offered by St Pauls (yet were able to send their reserves to the same venue on the same night.

Edit i think you will find that was due to a fixtures c**k up in that saul where to play bosco at bosco and the two teams had arranged the alternative date as bosco could not field then so SAUL accomodated them, then co. board put the original fixtures back in to place where SAUL where to play St Pauls but saul had made other arrangements for the thursday to monday night.
This is the reason for this rearranged fixture Passedit.

It is totally unfair to expect St Paul's to play a league fixture the day after a championship fixture.  It is also unfair on the likes of Glen who are just above Saul and just above the relegation zone as in all likelyhood St Paul's will now lose this fixture where as if they had a couple of days rest would be favourites to win this fixture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 29, 2008, 10:54:09 AM
can someone post the odds for the 3 championships and the betting for the matches this weekend if you can get them?

cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 29, 2008, 11:05:00 AM
Only tonights Maldini

4/5 Saval   6/1    Liatroim   1/1

5/2 Drumgath   8/1   Annaclone    2/7

4/7  Bright   6/1    Ballykinlar   6/4


4/5 Mayobridge
4/1 Burren
4/1 Kilcoo
7/1 Loughinisland
10/1 Bryansford
14/1 Saval
14/1 Liatroim
20/1 Downpatrick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 29, 2008, 11:10:07 AM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 29, 2008, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: off the laces on August 29, 2008, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: passedit on August 28, 2008, 03:22:42 PM
It is a measure of the high esteem in which the county board holds St Pauls that they are asked to travel the length of the county to play Newry Mitchels in their backyard then play a league game the following night against a team who refused to play on both the originally fixed date and a second date offered by St Pauls (yet were able to send their reserves to the same venue on the same night.

Edit i think you will find that was due to a fixtures c**k up in that saul where to play bosco at bosco and the two teams had arranged the alternative date as bosco could not field then so SAUL accomodated them, then co. board put the original fixtures back in to place where SAUL where to play St Pauls but saul had made other arrangements for the thursday to monday night.
This is the reason for this rearranged fixture Passedit.

It is totally unfair to expect St Paul's to play a league fixture the day after a championship fixture.  It is also unfair on the likes of Glen who are just above Saul and just above the relegation zone as in all likelyhood St Paul's will now lose this fixture where as if they had a couple of days rest would be favourites to win this fixture.
I couldn't agree with you more maiden but what are we to do if the fixtures are there they need played i know saul would put the game off until nxt wkend on sunday but then again we all play on friday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on August 29, 2008, 11:12:07 AM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 29, 2008, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: off the laces on August 29, 2008, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: passedit on August 28, 2008, 03:22:42 PM
It is a measure of the high esteem in which the county board holds St Pauls that they are asked to travel the length of the county to play Newry Mitchels in their backyard then play a league game the following night against a team who refused to play on both the originally fixed date and a second date offered by St Pauls (yet were able to send their reserves to the same venue on the same night.

Edit i think you will find that was due to a fixtures c**k up in that saul where to play bosco at bosco and the two teams had arranged the alternative date as bosco could not field then so SAUL accomodated them, then co. board put the original fixtures back in to place where SAUL where to play St Pauls but saul had made other arrangements for the thursday to monday night.
This is the reason for this rearranged fixture Passedit.


It is totally unfair to expect St Paul's to play a league fixture the day after a championship fixture.  It is also unfair on the likes of Glen who are just above Saul and just above the relegation zone as in all likelyhood St Paul's will now lose this fixture where as if they had a couple of days rest would be favourites to win this fixture.

OTL, what were these alternative arrangements were ye all on a training camp for the weekend or just missing a few of your better players?
Do you think it's fair, to St Pauls or the teams below ye, that St Pauls have to play ye a day after a championship match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on August 29, 2008, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: off the laces on August 29, 2008, 11:10:07 AM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 29, 2008, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: off the laces on August 29, 2008, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: passedit on August 28, 2008, 03:22:42 PM
It is a measure of the high esteem in which the county board holds St Pauls that they are asked to travel the length of the county to play Newry Mitchels in their backyard then play a league game the following night against a team who refused to play on both the originally fixed date and a second date offered by St Pauls (yet were able to send their reserves to the same venue on the same night.

Edit i think you will find that was due to a fixtures c**k up in that saul where to play bosco at bosco and the two teams had arranged the alternative date as bosco could not field then so SAUL accomodated them, then co. board put the original fixtures back in to place where SAUL where to play St Pauls but saul had made other arrangements for the thursday to monday night.
This is the reason for this rearranged fixture Passedit.

It is totally unfair to expect St Paul's to play a league fixture the day after a championship fixture.  It is also unfair on the likes of Glen who are just above Saul and just above the relegation zone as in all likelyhood St Paul's will now lose this fixture where as if they had a couple of days rest would be favourites to win this fixture.
I couldn't agree with you more maiden but what are we to do if the fixtures are there they need played i know saul would put the game off until nxt wkend on sunday but then again we all play on friday night.

'saul would put the game off until nxt wkend on sunday but then again we all play on friday night.', bit of irony in that comment.  Saul might not want the game on the Sunday after a match on Friday night as you would only get 2 days rest but St Paul's are expcted to play 1 day after a championship??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 29, 2008, 12:25:28 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 29, 2008, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: off the laces on August 29, 2008, 11:10:07 AM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 29, 2008, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: off the laces on August 29, 2008, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: passedit on August 28, 2008, 03:22:42 PM
It is a measure of the high esteem in which the county board holds St Pauls that they are asked to travel the length of the county to play Newry Mitchels in their backyard then play a league game the following night against a team who refused to play on both the originally fixed date and a second date offered by St Pauls (yet were able to send their reserves to the same venue on the same night.

Edit i think you will find that was due to a fixtures c**k up in that saul where to play bosco at bosco and the two teams had arranged the alternative date as bosco could not field then so SAUL accomodated them, then co. board put the original fixtures back in to place where SAUL where to play St Pauls but saul had made other arrangements for the thursday to monday night.
This is the reason for this rearranged fixture Passedit.

It is totally unfair to expect St Paul's to play a league fixture the day after a championship fixture.  It is also unfair on the likes of Glen who are just above Saul and just above the relegation zone as in all likelyhood St Paul's will now lose this fixture where as if they had a couple of days rest would be favourites to win this fixture.
I couldn't agree with you more maiden but what are we to do if the fixtures are there they need played i know saul would put the game off until nxt wkend on sunday but then again we all play on friday night.

'saul would put the game off until nxt wkend on sunday but then again we all play on friday night.', bit of irony in that comment.  Saul might not want the game on the Sunday after a match on Friday night as you would only get 2 days rest but St Paul's are expcted to play 1 day after a championship??
Saul had arranged a wedding that weekend and bosco also needed it moved therefore it suited both teams for that weekend.
Saul hold St pauls in the highest regard and therefore would accomodate st pauls in any way possible.
However Maiden1 you do not hold St Pauls in to high astem if you think st pauls will lose that league match, Over the past 4-5 years ST PAULS is one off the most improved teams in the county and SAUL are fully aware off that. As results between both teams will show.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 29, 2008, 05:07:01 PM
I have seen a fair bit of division three, and I know Drumgrath have been missing Lynch and Downey for most of the season. I also think they are a better side than the league leaders, Ardglass, who are hard to watch and have usually been grinding out dour results. However, Glasdrumman are a free-scoring team who, apart from a couple of off-days, have consistently run up some big totals against the main clubs They are looking good for promotion at this stage, while the gap between Drumgath and a play-off spot is fairly daunting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 29, 2008, 09:26:38 PM
Down JFC Quarter Final
Bright 2-12  Ballykinlar 0-02

Worst game of football ive ever seen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on August 29, 2008, 09:42:51 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 29, 2008, 09:26:38 PM
Down JFC Quarter Final
Bright 2-12  Ballykinlar 0-02

Worst game of football ive ever seen.

Thought the 4/7 for Bright to win was like giving away free money.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on August 29, 2008, 10:22:06 PM
Result

Saval 1-13

Liatroim 1-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on August 29, 2008, 11:17:27 PM
Annaclone 0-14 Drumgath 0-09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 29, 2008, 11:44:40 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 30, 2008, 02:05:47 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 29, 2008, 05:07:01 PM
I have seen a fair bit of division three, and I know Drumgrath have been missing Lynch and Downey for most of the season. I also think they are a better side than the league leaders, Ardglass, who are hard to watch and have usually been grinding out dour results. However, Glasdrumman are a free-scoring team who, apart from a couple of off-days, have consistently run up some big totals against the main clubs They are looking good for promotion at this stage, while the gap between Drumgath and a play-off spot is fairly daunting.

who do you think will go up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 30, 2008, 11:07:55 AM
was at he saval match last night.  saval were on top from start to finish, i left with about 5mins to go and they were winning by 10points.  danny hughes was outstanding, don't know what he scored 7/8points??  he must like playing under lights.  was impressed with saval,  although laiotrim were poor.

some difference in them lights and the ones in newry,  visibility wasn't great last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 30, 2008, 11:14:22 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 30, 2008, 11:07:55 AM
was at he saval match last night.  saval were on top from start to finish, i left with about 5mins to go and they were winning by 10points.  danny hughes was outstanding, don't know what he scored 7/8points??  he must like playing under lights.  was impressed with saval,  although laiotrim were poor.

some difference in them lights and the ones in newry,  visibility wasn't great last night.

How did Ferghal Mc Conville play? He is usually a big game player, i remember him scoring a cracker of a goal against us a few years ago in senior championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 30, 2008, 11:30:22 AM
fergal started off well,  was winning ball and laying it off to hughes quite a bit.  he was being fouled a few times and ref didn't give him anything,  was replaced with about 20 to go i think.  he's a good target man in the full forward line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 30, 2008, 01:41:02 PM
Just placed my bet for the weekend...

Bredagh 5/6
Warrenpoint -4   5/6
Burren  1/1
Downpatrick+8   5/6
Shamrocks  4/7
St Pauls  4/7
St Michaels  2/5

Pays 213.03 for £5 would be very nice:)!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on August 30, 2008, 02:49:09 PM
wat bookies take bets on the local championships?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 30, 2008, 02:49:29 PM
I'll keep Square Ball happy by tipping Bredagh to go up with Glasdrumman. However, if Bredagh are still in the IFC after this afternoon, it may not necessarily help their promotion chances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 30, 2008, 03:21:07 PM
Quote from: st pauls mcgrath on August 30, 2008, 02:49:09 PM
wat bookies take bets on the local championships?

Hughes bookmakers 2 in warrenpoint and 1 in water street newry!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 30, 2008, 03:40:06 PM
In the IHC Kilclief beat Bredagh by a point. 13-12.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rois on August 30, 2008, 03:43:21 PM
Is that the IFC Lecale rather than th IHC?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 30, 2008, 03:48:39 PM
Bollocks!!!!!

Looks like my bet beat at the 1st hurdle :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 30, 2008, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 30, 2008, 03:43:21 PM
Is that the IFC Lecale rather than th IHC?



Sorry! You're right. It was the IFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 30, 2008, 05:23:59 PM
Loughanisland 1-11 Downpatrick 0-7... Poor game, margin flattered Downpatrick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 30, 2008, 05:24:48 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 30, 2008, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 30, 2008, 03:43:21 PM
Is that the IFC Lecale rather than th IHC?



Sorry! You're right. It was the IFC.

didnt get to see it but im told by a few the referee had a disaster?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 30, 2008, 06:54:56 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 30, 2008, 05:24:48 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 30, 2008, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 30, 2008, 03:43:21 PM
Is that the IFC Lecale rather than th IHC?



Sorry! You're right. It was the IFC.

didnt get to see it but im told by a few the referee had a disaster?

Dodgy

was they suppporters of Kilclief, Bredagh or neutrals?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on August 30, 2008, 07:18:11 PM
The ref disallowed a Bredagh point apparently for a square ball??

He threw the ball up twice after the Bredagh player fouled stepped on a pace to take the free.

Draw would probably have been a fair result - it was a much better game than the Loughinisland Downpatrick one.

Molloy and Dan Gordon were unassailable in midfield and Ben O'Reilly cut them to pieces (although his shooting was poor). Loughinisland kicked 7 wides in the 1st half and as manyagain in the second. Jamie O'Reilly came on near the end - has he been injured?
Good outside bet??

Bredagh can now conscentrate on the play-offs and with their minors (in semi v B'ford next week) coming through, the future looks ok.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 30, 2008, 07:21:16 PM
The ref didn't disalllow a pt for a sq ball. he disallowed it for a foul by a push by the corner forward on the corner back who were close to the square.
The ref also did not fist that ball into the keepers hands at the end when a simple tap over the bar would have squared the match.
Bredagh had the match won and threw it away.
Have seen worse refereeing in ACFL ! & 2 this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 30, 2008, 07:48:13 PM
Square Ball, in fairness they were all bredagh men (including one player) but there seemed to be a general consensus that he was hopeless and was giving Bredagh nothing, "cheated out of it". I wasnt there so cant speculate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 30, 2008, 10:28:56 PM
Burren and kilcoo drew tonight in a fiery encounter.  more later
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 30, 2008, 11:43:28 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 31, 2008, 08:07:34 AM
Who won the Point v Glasdrumman game? - Bridgegael do you know, you were at the venue?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 31, 2008, 10:34:39 AM
glasdrumman won by two points.  a lucky goal with seconds to go won it for them. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 31, 2008, 11:36:01 AM
Cheers Bridgegael - a bit of a surprise.  Glasdrumman are now the only Div 3 team left and given that the Point recently beat my favourites Annaclone they could just do it.

ps:
Watch out for Mourne Rover - didn't you see post re spelling?
QUOTE "Can I refer Brick Tamlin and Corn O2 to previous posts about the Quarter Road residents. It is neither Glasdrummand nor Glassdrumman, but Glasdrumman. They are the best footballing side in division three, so perhaps we could take the trouble to spell their name correctly."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 31, 2008, 01:39:21 PM
Many thanks, ITOB. The phrase which springs to mind is - Point Taken.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on August 31, 2008, 04:10:35 PM
St Paul's won by 2, St John's beat Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 31, 2008, 06:05:38 PM
Can anyone give us the run down on the row in the stand in Newry at the Burren game....I hear it was unreal???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on August 31, 2008, 06:44:18 PM
Any word on the Darragh Cross and Shamrocks match.  Are the draws for the semi finals being made tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down_head on August 31, 2008, 08:17:48 PM
bridge beat by point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 31, 2008, 08:19:42 PM
Quote from: down_head on August 31, 2008, 08:17:48 PM
bridge beat by point

repeat please....................
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on August 31, 2008, 08:20:59 PM
Bridge won by 6 or 7. dont know exact score
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down_head on August 31, 2008, 08:21:57 PM
did i catch yas!! no bridge won handy!! bryansford poor!! bridge played well for a change
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lurgan-gael on August 31, 2008, 08:27:09 PM
how'd magheralin/aghaderg finish?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 31, 2008, 08:31:47 PM
So, all we're waiting for is the results from Darragh Cross v Shamrocks, Aghaderg v Glenn and Burren/Kilcoo replay to complete the semi final lineups.  My predictions:-

Junior.  Bright   St. Paul's      St. John's      Aghaderg/Glenn.     (St Johns to win outright)

Intermediate.  Kilief       Annaclone       Darra/S'rocks    Glasdrumman    (Annaclone to win outright) 

Senior.  Saval      L'island      Burren/Kilcoo   Mayobridge      (Kilcoo to win outright)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 31, 2008, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: down_head on August 31, 2008, 08:21:57 PM
did i catch yas!! no bridge won handy!! bryansford poor!! bridge played well for a change

your a buck ejit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 31, 2008, 08:45:29 PM
Dodgy Umpire, couldn't agree more.  Where results are concerned this board demands accuracy at all times.  Anal orifices giving inaccurate results have no place here. 
Down_Head, go  sort yourself out please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 31, 2008, 09:22:25 PM
Aghaderg beat st michaels by 5
Darragh cross 1-13 shamrocks 1-7. Darragh were extremly impressive, they could be dark horses for the IFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 31, 2008, 09:27:55 PM
at the ford and bridge match thought there was some decent enough played by both teams at times but overall coulter was the difference. Ford looked a few short maybe spirit can confirm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 31, 2008, 09:48:34 PM
Thought the bridge struggled to get out of first gear at times, only played well in patches. Ciaran Brannigan was only threat to them, yea and coulter prob the difference especially when moved into the square. Bryansford set out at the start for Luke Howard to mark Benny, he shit himself and didn't know what to do when Benny was lined out at midfield, Aidan Shields would mark Benny as good as Howard. I think bryansford were pretty much at full strength bar Conor Maginn! They should have went out and played their own game and maybe they could have taken something from the game!

Better display from the bridge defence and wee Rony back to himself, also Ryan Brady had an outstanding debut in the championship! Like to avoid Loughisland, think they'll be hard to beat! Bring on the Saval men! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 01, 2008, 08:55:55 AM
Maginn was missing but I would question our management and the tactics played last night, the only way we would get at Mayobridge was to run at them yet the long ball was rained in time after time, Brannigan needs the ball to hand and he will punish any defence, he ended up going looking deep and this brought Barry into the game more. Our other five forwards didnt perform and Maginn was a loss but if boys want to play in USA then the attitude is wrong as was the descision to bring Shane King (who was two yards of the pace) on as he returned from USA last week - Our bench may well be light this weekend as a result of this - our management forgot about loyalty.
Benny is a class act, I want to see his goal posted up here as it shows how to rip a defence to bits and execute a goal of a genius - a bridge stalwart told me in 2005 at a championship game that all the clubs are playing for runners up because the bridge had something nobody else had - Benny Coulter, this is still the case and five in a row beckons for the sky blues - although loughinisland have the strength to be their closest challengers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 01, 2008, 10:13:54 AM
Darragh beat shamrocks well yesterday, 1-13 to 1-7 to join glassdrumman kilclief and annacalone in the semis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 01, 2008, 10:25:08 AM
Quote from: maldini on September 01, 2008, 10:13:54 AM
Darragh beat shamrocks well yesterday, 1-13 to 1-7 to join glassdrumman kilclief and annacalone in the semis.

Shamrocks quota of county players were outstanding yesterday..... ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on September 01, 2008, 11:11:35 AM
talking to a few boys after the match,  there seemed to be a few rumblings from some of the ford players whenever king came on,  they weren't happy!  ford were right in it with ten to go,  if conor gribben had have goaled it would have been level and bryansford would have been flying!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 01, 2008, 11:13:36 AM
Bridgegael - post that goal up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on September 01, 2008, 11:21:13 AM
i'll prob not get the highlights for a few days yet,  AMALLON is the man to be getting it up.  i think he was away this weekend though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 01, 2008, 11:23:20 AM
When is the draw for all the semi finals or has it already been made?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 01, 2008, 11:56:25 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on September 01, 2008, 11:21:13 AM
i'll prob not get the highlights for a few days yet,  AMALLON is the man to be getting it up.  i think he was away this weekend though.


Really!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 01, 2008, 11:59:15 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 01, 2008, 11:56:25 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on September 01, 2008, 11:21:13 AM
i'll prob not get the highlights for a few days yet,  AMALLON is the man to be getting it up.  i think he was away this weekend though.


Really!!!!!!!!

Thats why he went to Blackpool for the weekend :D :D

Are you still alive Aidan???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 01, 2008, 12:32:11 PM
we played ok on saturday. we did enough to win but will have to improve a great deal if we are to win the semi. downpatrick were terrible and not very fit at all.
we play rostrevor tonight which will be difficult. very strange decision not to make the draw yesterday as we could be drawn against the bridge yet we are set to play them on friday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 01, 2008, 12:52:01 PM
Can anyone confrim the result of Aghaderg v St Michaels as i am getting conflicting reports of that game.

Was at Bridge and Ford's game, thought that Ford should have put up better effort.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the derg on September 01, 2008, 12:58:24 PM
the derg def won by 5 points great result against all expectations
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 01, 2008, 01:03:36 PM
Aghaderg definitely beat St Michaels Umpire.

Went to the two games in Hilltown last night. Darragh Cross played very well against Shamrocks and if they avoid Annaclone, should make the IFC Final. You have to wonder what kind of work is being done in Newry regarding the promotion of GAA. Shamrocks, who are generally regarded as Newry's flagship club were very poor. Something needs to be done to tackle the overall poor standard of football in the city.

The Bridge were always going to beat Bryansford. Maginn would have made a bit of a difference but the Ford are going to have a lot of work to do if they are to get themselves back amongst the contenders for the SFC.
The Bridge don't look to be firing on all cylinders at the moment, Maybe that is a bad sign for their future opponents. Midfield is a problem area for them but apart from that they look steady enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on September 01, 2008, 01:12:03 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 01, 2008, 11:56:25 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on September 01, 2008, 11:21:13 AM
i'll prob not get the highlights for a few days yet,  AMALLON is the man to be getting it up.  i think he was away this weekend though.


Really!!!!!!!!

thats if he didn't have too much drink over there!! :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 01, 2008, 01:29:01 PM
were shamrocks poor or did darragh not just outplay them?
i thought darragh's defence were brilliant and they didnt allow shamrocks any room, it was a job well done on Darragh's part
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 01, 2008, 01:47:37 PM
Latest prediction league with one outstanding game on Thurs night.

7   BRIDGE LAD
7   dundrumite
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6   Aristotle Flynn
6   Bridgegael
6   Blue Island
6   D45
6   downfanatic
6   General
6   Islandboy
6   Maiden 1
6   Niall Quinn
6   thewobbler
5   Amallon
5   Stiff Breeze
5   Umpire
4   Minus15
4   Passedit
4   Statto-gael
3   Brick Tamlin
3   Square Ball
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 01, 2008, 02:12:04 PM
Still here lads.  My flight was delayed on the way home and I missed the first 20 of the Bridge game.  I still think the Bridge are playing well within themselves but we have improved probably 20% on the Clonduff game.  Loosing Michael Walsh will be a big blow to us going forward, I think he has some sort of hamstring problem.  I hope he isn't out too long.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 01, 2008, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 01, 2008, 01:03:36 PM
Aghaderg definitely beat St Michaels Umpire.

"You have to wonder what kind of work is being done in Newry regarding the promotion of GAA. Shamrocks, who are generally regarded as Newry's flagship club were very poor."

I agree, Shamrocks are going well enough in the league in division 2 but the other 2 teams in Newry, Bosco and Mitchels are proping up division 3.  Same with Downpatrick struggling in division 2.  You would think being such big catchment areas these teams would do a lot better.  Is it just that there is a lot of soccer in these towns?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 01, 2008, 02:21:11 PM
Am i mistaken in thinking that newry generally produce strong underage teams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 01, 2008, 02:35:00 PM
Dodgy - Not overly strong.

Bosco and Shamrocks are normally competitive, and occasionally very good, but you can almost guarantee that underage teams at the likes of Burren, Mayobridge and Rostrevor will progress as they go through the juvenile ranks, whereas the Newry teams will stall.

There is any number of reasons for this, but I'd say it's the sheer catchment size of the clubs is actually the problem. Fellas joining Shamrocks at a young age come from the four corners of Newry. They come from different schools, different backgrounds. The only thing they have in common is a green jersey. Which is fine at under-12 level when young minds can be controlled, but at under 16 and minor level it must be nearly impossible to coach team spirit into these fellas.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 01, 2008, 02:37:03 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on September 01, 2008, 02:21:11 PM
Am i mistaken in thinking that newry generally produce strong underage teams?

Bosco won a minor championship in 2002 yet now find themselves struggling at the bottom of division 3. Think other sports, the disco and transfers may have contributed to this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 01, 2008, 02:54:02 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2008, 02:35:00 PM
Dodgy - Not overly strong.

Bosco and Shamrocks are normally competitive, and occasionally very good, but you can almost guarantee that underage teams at the likes of Burren, Mayobridge and Rostrevor will progress as they go through the juvenile ranks, whereas the Newry teams will stall.

There is any number of reasons for this, but I'd say it's the sheer catchment size of the clubs is actually the problem. Fellas joining Shamrocks at a young age come from the four corners of Newry. They come from different schools, different backgrounds. The only thing they have in common is a green jersey. Which is fine at under-12 level when young minds can be controlled, but at under 16 and minor level it must be nearly impossible to coach team spirit into these fellas.

i think you have made a very valid point. tight communities will produce better teams. if a bunch of lads socialise in different circles their chemistry on the pitch will suffer. most people would rather play alongside their best friends who they no well than a lad they see once a week at training
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 01, 2008, 03:34:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2008, 02:35:00 PM
Dodgy - Not overly strong.

Bosco and Shamrocks are normally competitive, and occasionally very good, but you can almost guarantee that underage teams at the likes of Burren, Mayobridge and Rostrevor will progress as they go through the juvenile ranks, whereas the Newry teams will stall.

There is any number of reasons for this, but I'd say it's the sheer catchment size of the clubs is actually the problem. Fellas joining Shamrocks at a young age come from the four corners of Newry. They come from different schools, different backgrounds. The only thing they have in common is a green jersey. Which is fine at under-12 level when young minds can be controlled, but at under 16 and minor level it must be nearly impossible to coach team spirit into these fellas.


Have to agree with this comment.  Look at where the underage titles go in Down.  Mayobridge look like they are the ones for the Minors, Kilcoo/Burren for the under 16's, Rostrevor have just won the South Down under 14's, beating Burren in the final.  All small tight knit communities.  This is the same almost every year.  You can almost guarantee that these clubs will win one of the underage titles every year.  The one town team that does consistently produce would be Castlewellan, although they are a small town, not like Newry, Downpatrick etc.

Now take the under 12 teams this year.  The best 2 teams in South Down are Shamrocks and Ballyholland.  By a country mile i can tell you they are the best.  I know a lot can change over the years but generally a strong underage team will stay strong up through the ranks.  It will be interesting to see can the Newry teams follow through in the next few years but i would suspect that come under 14's, or definitely under 16's, you will see Burren/Mayobridge etc at the top of the leagues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on September 01, 2008, 03:39:50 PM
would Ballyholland not be considered Newrys flagship club? ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on September 01, 2008, 03:42:30 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2008, 02:35:00 PM
Dodgy - Not overly strong.

Bosco and Shamrocks are normally competitive, and occasionally very good, but you can almost guarantee that underage teams at the likes of Burren, Mayobridge and Rostrevor will progress as they go through the juvenile ranks, whereas the Newry teams will stall.

There is any number of reasons for this, but I'd say it's the sheer catchment size of the clubs is actually the problem. Fellas joining Shamrocks at a young age come from the four corners of Newry. They come from different schools, different backgrounds. The only thing they have in common is a green jersey. Which is fine at under-12 level when young minds can be controlled, but at under 16 and minor level it must be nearly impossible to coach team spirit into these fellas.


Fair points wobbler and mostly true. However, whilst your point is generally accurate there are some notable exceptions that show that this does not have to be the case. St Galls in Belfast operate on a large catchment area and that has not stopped them. Was in Belfast recently with St Galls man and I asked him if they could define their catchment area within west Belfast, he said that would be difficult and in his street he pointed to different houses and said, thats a St Galls family, that a St John's family, thats a St Paul's house and so on. Different families have close associations with different clubs going back quite a few years and in that fashion they have an affinity with clubs akin to a country club, but in different way. Is there not something similar in Newry.

What is definitely accurate is that it's not good for the County team to have Newry teams and Downpatrick languishing so far down the tables.

On a Final note, would you  consider yourselves to be a Newry team? I am not trying to stir the pot, but I am curious to know. Do many of your players hail from Newry or do you consider yourselves a country team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on September 01, 2008, 03:49:24 PM
Quote from: Super Dupe on September 01, 2008, 03:34:58 PM

The one town team that does consistently produce would be Castlewellan, although they are a small town, not like Newry, Downpatrick etc.



I would think you have to add Bryansford to that short list. I recall being told that since 1970 no team has spent more time in division one that Bryansford. Newcastle is not much smaller than Downpatrick,  but they have never suffered the slumps of the Newry teams or Downpatrick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 01, 2008, 05:38:16 PM
To be honest Blue Island, we're a rural club when it suits us, and an urban club when it suits us too. Which doesn't really answer your question.

We're in the Parish of Newry and because of this (I believe) we are as entitled to players from Newry as any other club in the area is, which is certainly a boost. I'd imagine that without pulling in players from Abbey Yard, Temple Hill Road and Warrenpoint Road areas over the years, we would have struggled to exist. For a lot those people though, we are genuinely the closest club to their front doors. But we don't tend to go approaching players.

Truthfully though, we behave more like a rural club. We stick more or less to what's coming through Ballyholland Primary School, with a bit of help from the Abbey Primary School. Most folk from Ballyholland would describe themselves as being from Ballyholland first, then as "just outside Newry" when the inevitable "where is that?" comes along. The club is the cornerstone of the community, but certain families don't get involved. There is a clique about the place as strong as in any rural club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on September 01, 2008, 08:39:38 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on September 01, 2008, 03:49:24 PM
Quote from: Super Dupe on September 01, 2008, 03:34:58 PM

The one town team that does consistently produce would be Castlewellan, although they are a small town, not like Newry, Downpatrick etc.


What exactly do they produce? Certainly isn't players, transfer market seems to be there best recruiting policy and it is closing at 12 tonight so expect some activity from them! ;D
As for us we have been winning underage and adult titles for the last number of years and if we get over Burren on thursday I strongly fancy us for a senior c/ship this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 01, 2008, 09:28:32 PM
Blue Island, what would you consider Loughinisland's catchement area to be?

Down ACFL Division 2
Dundrum 0-06  Ballymartin 2-14

Comprehensively beat again. Ballymartin did all the things we couldnt do. They retained the ball well and moved it at pace. We scored one point from play the whole game. It is becoming increasingly hard to extract any sort of positivity from our performances
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 01, 2008, 09:38:32 PM
Thursday 4th September

8pm in Pairc Esler

Powerade SFC Replay

Burren v Kilcoo

(extra-time if required)



Friday 5th September 6.30pm

O'Neills ACFL

Div One S18

Loughinisland v Mayobridge

Clonduff v Liatroim

Kilcoo off Saval

Rostrevor off Burren

Castlewellan off Longstone

An Riocht v Ballyholland


Div Two S18

Shamrocks v Atticall

Darragh Cross v Ballymartin

Warrenpoint v Clann na Banna

Tullylish v Dundrum

Kliclief v Downpatrick

Bryansford v Annaclone

Div Three S23

Drumaness v Tecconnaught

Drumgath v Saul

Mitchels v St John Bosco

St Micheals v Carryduff

Bredagh v Glassdrumman

Glenn v Ardglass

Div Four S18

Ballykinlar v Bright

Dromara v Aghaderg

Aughlisnafinn v St Johns
 

Sunday 7th September 1.30pm

RFC semi-final in St. Johns

Castlewellan v Drumaness

PRFC semi finals

Burren v Kilcoo in Clonduff

Mayobridge v Saval in Drumgath

ACPRFL

Div One

Kilcoo off Bryansford

Rostrevor v Liatroim

An Riocht off Burren

Downpatrick off Mayobridge

Clonduff v Castlewellan

Div Two

Tullylish v Kilclief

Saval off Ballymartin

Bredagh v Carryduff

Annaclone v Warrenpoint

Loughinisland v Longstone

Monday 8th September 6.30pm

O'Neills ACL Div 1

Kilcoo v Saval

Rostrevor v Burren

Castlewellan v Longstone

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on September 01, 2008, 09:52:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 01, 2008, 09:28:32 PM
Blue Island, what would you consider Loughinisland's catchement area to be?

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Anywhere south west of Donaghadee and North East of Tuam
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on September 01, 2008, 10:25:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2008, 05:38:16 PM
To be honest Blue Island, we're a rural club when it suits us, and an urban club when it suits us too. Which doesn't really answer your question.



You definitely have some committed men at your club. Very impressed with your new set up. You will be fund raising for a while to pay for that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on September 01, 2008, 10:41:29 PM
Why are the games this fri as early as 6.30? That doesnt give the boys who work to 5 in Belfast much time!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 01, 2008, 10:48:42 PM
Quote from: The Corporal on September 01, 2008, 10:41:29 PM
Why are the games this fri as early as 6.30? That doesnt give the boys who work to 5 in Belfast much time!

You might not have noticed but the nights are drawing in!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 01, 2008, 10:52:09 PM
you couldnt see too well come the last 15 id presume
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 01, 2008, 10:53:30 PM
yes the nights are gettin shorter by the day, tonights match in rostrevor ended around 8.15 and the light was fading fast! not much can be done to prevent the matchs throwing in earlier as the league has to be finished relatively soon!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 01, 2008, 10:59:36 PM
Any chance of a few scores from tonights games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on September 01, 2008, 11:03:27 PM
Downpatrick eventually beat Atttical by 2 points ( 1-9 to 0-10) Should have been over at half time but as usual made it difficult for ourselves
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on September 01, 2008, 11:04:08 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 01, 2008, 09:28:32 PM
Blue Island, what would you consider Loughinisland's catchment area to be?



loaded question there downfanatic given posts on the subject in the past. The catchment area (as you probably know) stretches from Seaforde in the south to about a mile towards Ballynahinch past Brennan's shop to the north. From the west you can take close to where the travellers friend used to be on the old Seafords road to the outskirts of Annacloy/Teconnaught in the east. Obviously I can see neighbouring posters make the usual points.

For the record if you take the team that started in the championship on the last two occasions as representative of the club, 12 have played football from the age of under 12 for the club. I could go into the details of the other three but that is an argument that has been well aired and does no justice to those who have transferred into the club often for very valid reasons and are intregal and vital part of the senior team.

Wobbler posed a question many posts ago, he asked why would anyone want to transfer to Loughinisland considering their pitch is like a spud field and their club house is a s**t house (albeit the new clubhouse has rectified the latter). I take Wobblers point and can see on an objective basis from afar it does not make sense at first. However, whilst we have not always set the word alight, we rarely get less than 25 -35 at training sessions and I cannot remember the last time it was under 20. Perhaps if some of our neighbours got their own house in order (ie commitment) they wouldn't have their players looking over the fence.

Cue abuse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on September 01, 2008, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 01, 2008, 10:59:36 PM
Any chance of a few scores from tonights games?

Rostrevor 2 -10 Loughinisland 1-7

Not good
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 01, 2008, 11:15:07 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 01, 2008, 10:59:36 PM
Any chance of a few scores from tonights games?

rostrevor 2-10 l'island 1-7

island were poor didnt seem that interested really. ben oreilly not playing maybe it wasnt their strongest team. rostrevor seem to be rallied from the close defeat and méle against the bridge thow!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 02, 2008, 08:22:38 AM
Quote from: Super Dupe on September 01, 2008, 03:34:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2008, 02:35:00 PM
Dodgy - Not overly strong.

Bosco and Shamrocks are normally competitive, and occasionally very good, but you can almost guarantee that underage teams at the likes of Burren, Mayobridge and Rostrevor will progress as they go through the juvenile ranks, whereas the Newry teams will stall.

There is any number of reasons for this, but I'd say it's the sheer catchment size of the clubs is actually the problem. Fellas joining Shamrocks at a young age come from the four corners of Newry. They come from different schools, different backgrounds. The only thing they have in common is a green jersey. Which is fine at under-12 level when young minds can be controlled, but at under 16 and minor level it must be nearly impossible to coach team spirit into these fellas.


Have to agree with this comment.  Look at where the underage titles go in Down.  Mayobridge look like they are the ones for the Minors, Kilcoo/Burren for the under 16's, Rostrevor have just won the South Down under 14's, beating Burren in the final.  All small tight knit communities.  This is the same almost every year.  You can almost guarantee that these clubs will win one of the underage titles every year.  The one town team that does consistently produce would be Castlewellan, although they are a small town, not like Newry, Downpatrick etc.

Now take the under 12 teams this year.  The best 2 teams in South Down are Shamrocks and Ballyholland.  By a country mile i can tell you they are the best.  I know a lot can change over the years but generally a strong underage team will stay strong up through the ranks.  It will be interesting to see can the Newry teams follow through in the next few years but i would suspect that come under 14's, or definitely under 16's, you will see Burren/Mayobridge etc at the top of the leagues.

Another club who have be known to sign anyone willing to join them, how many recruits have came from rural clubs in East Down in the last ten years?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on September 02, 2008, 08:28:47 AM
Anyone know the dates of the SFC final and the IFC final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on September 02, 2008, 08:32:53 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 02, 2008, 08:22:38 AM
Quote from: Super Dupe on September 01, 2008, 03:34:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2008, 02:35:00 PM
Dodgy - Not overly strong.

Bosco and Shamrocks are normally competitive, and occasionally very good, but you can almost guarantee that underage teams at the likes of Burren, Mayobridge and Rostrevor will progress as they go through the juvenile ranks, whereas the Newry teams will stall.

There is any number of reasons for this, but I'd say it's the sheer catchment size of the clubs is actually the problem. Fellas joining Shamrocks at a young age come from the four corners of Newry. They come from different schools, different backgrounds. The only thing they have in common is a green jersey. Which is fine at under-12 level when young minds can be controlled, but at under 16 and minor level it must be nearly impossible to coach team spirit into these fellas.


Have to agree with this comment.  Look at where the underage titles go in Down.  Mayobridge look like they are the ones for the Minors, Kilcoo/Burren for the under 16's, Rostrevor have just won the South Down under 14's, beating Burren in the final.  All small tight knit communities.  This is the same almost every year.  You can almost guarantee that these clubs will win one of the underage titles every year.  The one town team that does consistently produce would be Castlewellan, although they are a small town, not like Newry, Downpatrick etc.

Now take the under 12 teams this year.  The best 2 teams in South Down are Shamrocks and Ballyholland.  By a country mile i can tell you they are the best.  I know a lot can change over the years but generally a strong underage team will stay strong up through the ranks.  It will be interesting to see can the Newry teams follow through in the next few years but i would suspect that come under 14's, or definitely under 16's, you will see Burren/Mayobridge etc at the top of the leagues.

Another club who have be known to sign anyone willing to join them, how many recruits have came from rural clubs in East Down in the last ten years?

That's rich coming from a Bryansford man spirit ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 02, 2008, 08:38:01 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 02, 2008, 08:32:53 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 02, 2008, 08:22:38 AM
Quote from: Super Dupe on September 01, 2008, 03:34:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2008, 02:35:00 PM
Dodgy - Not overly strong.

Bosco and Shamrocks are normally competitive, and occasionally very good, but you can almost guarantee that underage teams at the likes of Burren, Mayobridge and Rostrevor will progress as they go through the juvenile ranks, whereas the Newry teams will stall.

There is any number of reasons for this, but I'd say it's the sheer catchment size of the clubs is actually the problem. Fellas joining Shamrocks at a young age come from the four corners of Newry. They come from different schools, different backgrounds. The only thing they have in common is a green jersey. Which is fine at under-12 level when young minds can be controlled, but at under 16 and minor level it must be nearly impossible to coach team spirit into these fellas.


Have to agree with this comment.  Look at where the underage titles go in Down.  Mayobridge look like they are the ones for the Minors, Kilcoo/Burren for the under 16's, Rostrevor have just won the South Down under 14's, beating Burren in the final.  All small tight knit communities.  This is the same almost every year.  You can almost guarantee that these clubs will win one of the underage titles every year.  The one town team that does consistently produce would be Castlewellan, although they are a small town, not like Newry, Downpatrick etc.

Now take the under 12 teams this year.  The best 2 teams in South Down are Shamrocks and Ballyholland.  By a country mile i can tell you they are the best.  I know a lot can change over the years but generally a strong underage team will stay strong up through the ranks.  It will be interesting to see can the Newry teams follow through in the next few years but i would suspect that come under 14's, or definitely under 16's, you will see Burren/Mayobridge etc at the top of the leagues.

Another club who have be known to sign anyone willing to join them, how many recruits have came from rural clubs in East Down in the last ten years?

That's rich coming from a Bryansford man spirit ;)

Explain
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on September 02, 2008, 08:48:40 AM
Jim Magorrian would be one of a few that springs to mind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 02, 2008, 09:20:42 AM
We were poor last night, never turned up at all. too many boys thinking of a semi final. we scored 1-3 in last ten which flattered us on the score board. rostrevor were as short as ourselves which makes it more annoying as we needed the two points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 02, 2008, 09:25:33 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 02, 2008, 08:48:40 AM
Jim Magorrian would be one of a few that springs to mind.

I think it is well known Jim married a Bryansford girl and moved to live in our parish - all totally legit, Bryansford never pursued signing him, it was his decision.
The other one will be Shane King who was in the same situation.
Title: harps v saval
Post by: goldenyears on September 02, 2008, 10:32:10 AM
saval stole 2 poiints from the harps last night in ballyholland - 5-4 at half time to harps, who went on 9-5 with 10 to play. harps have left probably 8-10 points behind them this season from winning positions late in the second half....

thats simply the difference between staying up or going straight back down...

oh and free kicks!! murtagh and mulholland missed crucial frees in the last 5, just cant happen!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 02, 2008, 10:58:48 AM
Quote from: supersub on September 01, 2008, 11:15:07 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 01, 2008, 10:59:36 PM
Any chance of a few scores from tonights games?

rostrevor 2-10 l'island 1-7

island were poor didnt seem that interested really. ben oreilly not playing maybe it wasnt their strongest team. rostrevor seem to be rallied from the close defeat and méle against the bridge thow!

Just to clarify the score last night was 2-12 to 1-7.  Loughinisland really did not look interested in the match.  After 15 minutes it was 1-0 to Rostrevor but by half time it was 1-7 to 0-1.  Loughinisland were lucky they even scored in the first half to be honest.  The difference in the intensity compared to the championship match a few weeks ago was like black and white.  I think Gordon caught one ball all evening, and with O'Reilly only coming on for last 20, they had very little up front. 
For Rostrevor, it was a case of well if you want to give it to us we will take it.  Young Anthony Donnan made his debut and scored a goal and a point, so its good to see more young lads coming through. 
Both teams missing quite a few players but it now appears that Loughinisland are out of the top 4 running in the league.  A championship final appearance would more than offset that though.  Teams just need to watch for Saval coming sneaking up as they are on a bit of a roll.

Burren and Kilcoo on thursday should be a bit of humdinger.  It was seriously tough stuff in the first match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 02, 2008, 11:56:09 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 01, 2008, 10:59:36 PM
Any chance of a few scores from tonights games?

I still believe it should never have been fixtured to play a day after a championship game.

Would have loved to have given you a result from st pauls v saul only the co. board decided to call the match off but forget to tell saul, so we had 22 players and a handful off supporters standing outside the gates off Palace Sorry i mean st pauls waiting to get in making phone calls to all to see if it was still on and as the fixtures sec was on holiday no one was around to tell us, it was left to saul to contact the referees sec to find out the game was off.
As a supporter i would like to know who re-embeirses my fuel allowance do i need to send for the GPA, CO Board once again a JOKE!!!
Rant over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 02, 2008, 12:17:09 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 02, 2008, 11:56:09 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 01, 2008, 10:59:36 PM
Any chance of a few scores from tonights games?

I still believe it should never have been fixtured to play a day after a championship game.

Would have loved to have given you a result from st pauls v saul only the co. board decided to call the match off but forget to tell saul, so we had 22 players and a handful off supporters standing outside the gates off Palace Sorry i mean st pauls waiting to get in making phone calls to all to see if it was still on and as the fixtures sec was on holiday no one was around to tell us, it was left to saul to contact the referees sec to find out the game was off.
As a supporter i would like to know who re-embeirses my fuel allowance do i need to send for the GPA, CO Board once again a JOKE!!!
Rant over.

firstly, would you like to edit that comment with regards to the Palace!! you may have travelled up for no reason, but no need to include that reference in your rant!!

secondly, we got an email last friday confirming the game was off, so either your club didn't get it, or some one in the club is trying to pull a fast one so you can pick up some much needed points!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 02, 2008, 12:22:13 PM


Just to clarify the score last night was 2-12 to 1-7.  Loughinisland really did not look interested in the match.  After 15 minutes it was 1-0 to Rostrevor but by half time it was 1-7 to 0-1.  Loughinisland were lucky they even scored in the first half to be honest.  The difference in the intensity compared to the championship match a few weeks ago was like black and white.  I think Gordon caught one ball all evening, and with O'Reilly only coming on for last 20, they had very little up front. 
For Rostrevor, it was a case of well if you want to give it to us we will take it.  Young Anthony Donnan made his debut and scored a goal and a point, so its good to see more young lads coming through. 
Both teams missing quite a few players but it now appears that Loughinisland are out of the top 4 running in the league.  A championship final appearance would more than offset that though.  Teams just need to watch for Saval coming sneaking up as they are on a bit of a roll.

Burren and Kilcoo on thursday should be a bit of humdinger.  It was seriously tough stuff in the first match.



saval are on 12 points and we have 18 with five games left so we should be ok. we need to get going again and friday night should be a good game. i dont think the bridge have beaten us at home since we came up from the 2nd division. who knows we may be playing them the following sunday.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 02, 2008, 01:12:11 PM
We were beaten last night by Clonduff final score.

Clonduff 0-14  Longstone 2-6

Very wet heavy pitches all round I'd say last night.  We were poor overall and the 2point margin at the end probably flattered.  Very hard to pick up points when missing so many key players...Last night  Ambrose, Mark Poland, Mark Doran, Michael Higgins, Stephen Doran.  Best for us were Conor Smith, John Magee and Ryan kelly who all tried very hard!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 02, 2008, 01:19:13 PM
Just to clarify the score last night was 2-12 to 1-7.  Loughinisland really did not look interested in the match.  After 15 minutes it was 1-0 to Rostrevor but by half time it was 1-7 to 0-1.  Loughinisland were lucky they even scored in the first half to be honest.  The difference in the intensity compared to the championship match a few weeks ago was like black and white.  I think Gordon caught one ball all evening, and with O'Reilly only coming on for last 20, they had very little up front. 
For Rostrevor, it was a case of well if you want to give it to us we will take it.  Young Anthony Donnan made his debut and scored a goal and a point, so its good to see more young lads coming through. 
Both teams missing quite a few players but it now appears that Loughinisland are out of the top 4 running in the league.  A championship final appearance would more than offset that though.  Teams just need to watch for Saval coming sneaking up as they are on a bit of a roll.

Burren and Kilcoo on thursday should be a bit of humdinger.  It was seriously tough stuff in the first match.


yes sorry i meant 2-12 i had 2-10 in my head from seeing the previous post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 02, 2008, 01:30:30 PM
did shamrocks really get beaten by darragh cross? jesus christ
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 02, 2008, 01:44:21 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 02, 2008, 12:17:09 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 02, 2008, 11:56:09 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 01, 2008, 10:59:36 PM
Any chance of a few scores from tonights games?

I still believe it should never have been fixtured to play a day after a championship game.

Would have loved to have given you a result from st pauls v saul only the co. board decided to call the match off but forget to tell saul, so we had 22 players and a handful off supporters standing outside the gates off Palace Sorry i mean st pauls waiting to get in making phone calls to all to see if it was still on and as the fixtures sec was on holiday no one was around to tell us, it was left to saul to contact the referees sec to find out the game was off.
As a supporter i would like to know who re-embeirses my fuel allowance do i need to send for the GPA, CO Board once again a JOKE!!!
Rant over.

firstly, would you like to edit that comment with regards to the Palace!! you may have travelled up for no reason, but no need to include that reference in your rant!!

secondly, we got an email last friday confirming the game was off, so either your club didn't get it, or some one in the club is trying to pull a fast one so you can pick up some much needed points!!

Well lets call it as it is
1: We where up at St Pauls with a panel of players looking to play a match they all believed should not be played any way therefore DO YOU think WE got the E-MAIL to say it was OFF,
2 How can we be awarded points if there is no referee there.
And no i would not want to edit my comment, if someone asks how to get to St Pauls you tell them to travel out the A2 heading for Bangor then follow the signs for the PALACE BARRACKS its past them on the left.Is that not right st pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 02, 2008, 03:01:24 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 02, 2008, 01:44:21 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 02, 2008, 12:17:09 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 02, 2008, 11:56:09 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 01, 2008, 10:59:36 PM
Any chance of a few scores from tonights games?

I still believe it should never have been fixtured to play a day after a championship game.

Would have loved to have given you a result from st pauls v saul only the co. board decided to call the match off but forget to tell saul, so we had 22 players and a handful off supporters standing outside the gates off Palace Sorry i mean st pauls waiting to get in making phone calls to all to see if it was still on and as the fixtures sec was on holiday no one was around to tell us, it was left to saul to contact the referees sec to find out the game was off.
As a supporter i would like to know who re-embeirses my fuel allowance do i need to send for the GPA, CO Board once again a JOKE!!!
Rant over.

firstly, would you like to edit that comment with regards to the Palace!! you may have travelled up for no reason, but no need to include that reference in your rant!!

secondly, we got an email last friday confirming the game was off, so either your club didn't get it, or some one in the club is trying to pull a fast one so you can pick up some much needed points!!

Well lets call it as it is
1: We where up at St Pauls with a panel of players looking to play a match they all believed should not be played any way therefore DO YOU think WE got the E-MAIL to say it was OFF,
2 How can we be awarded points if there is no referee there.

And no i would not want to edit my comment, if someone asks how to get to St Pauls you tell them to travel out the A2 heading for Bangor then follow the signs for the PALACE BARRACKS its past them on the left.Is that not right st pauls

1: obviously you didn't get the email, but i wonder why we were sent it and your club weren't!!
2: now you see, you never mentioned there was no referee there.

though it just shows what kind of person you are when you try to associate us with the Brits up the road. when i give directions, i tell them to take the turn for Holywood after the slip road for Ikea, not Palace!! your directions are right, but there was no need for the snide 'standing outside the gates off Palace Sorry i mean st pauls' remark, makes you look petty!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 02, 2008, 03:11:33 PM
Latest ACFL Division 2 Table

Bryansford  17   32
Annaclone  17   22
Clann na Banna 15  22
Shamrocks  17   20
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Warrenpoint  15   20
Ballymartin  17  19
Darragh Cross  17   17
Attical  17   15
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Downpatrick  15  12
Tullylish   17  8
Kilclief   15   7
Dundrum   17   2

Outstanding Fixtures: Downpatrick v Warrenpoint + Kilcilef v Banbridge + Downpatrick v Banbridge + Kilclief v Warrenpoint 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 02, 2008, 03:39:00 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on September 01, 2008, 02:54:02 PM
i think you have made a very valid point. tight communities will produce better teams. if a bunch of lads socialise in different circles their chemistry on the pitch will suffer. most people would rather play alongside their best friends who they no well than a lad they see once a week at training

I would say if they are only seeing fellas once a week at training then the problem is not camaraderie at all... its commitment.  :)


Long gone are the days when training once a week is sufficient.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 02, 2008, 03:43:15 PM
bearing in mind you would have a match another night of the week. sufficient for 15-18 year olds?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 02, 2008, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 02, 2008, 03:01:24 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 02, 2008, 01:44:21 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 02, 2008, 12:17:09 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 02, 2008, 11:56:09 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 01, 2008, 10:59:36 PM
Any chance of a few scores from tonights games?

I still believe it should never have been fixtured to play a day after a championship game.

Would have loved to have given you a result from st pauls v saul only the co. board decided to call the match off but forget to tell saul, so we had 22 players and a handful off supporters standing outside the gates off Palace Sorry i mean st pauls waiting to get in making phone calls to all to see if it was still on and as the fixtures sec was on holiday no one was around to tell us, it was left to saul to contact the referees sec to find out the game was off.
As a supporter i would like to know who re-embeirses my fuel allowance do i need to send for the GPA, CO Board once again a JOKE!!!
Rant over.

firstly, would you like to edit that comment with regards to the Palace!! you may have travelled up for no reason, but no need to include that reference in your rant!!

secondly, we got an email last friday confirming the game was off, so either your club didn't get it, or some one in the club is trying to pull a fast one so you can pick up some much needed points!!

Well lets call it as it is
1: We where up at St Pauls with a panel of players looking to play a match they all believed should not be played any way therefore DO YOU think WE got the E-MAIL to say it was OFF,
2 How can we be awarded points if there is no referee there.

And no i would not want to edit my comment, if someone asks how to get to St Pauls you tell them to travel out the A2 heading for Bangor then follow the signs for the PALACE BARRACKS its past them on the left.Is that not right st pauls

1: obviously you didn't get the email, but i wonder why we were sent it and your club weren't!!
2: now you see, you never mentioned there was no referee there.

though it just shows what kind of person you are when you try to associate us with the Brits up the road. when i give directions, i tell them to take the turn for Holywood after the slip road for Ikea, not Palace!! your directions are right, but there was no need for the snide 'standing outside the gates off Palace Sorry i mean st pauls' remark, makes you look petty!!
[/b]i truely am sorry ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 02, 2008, 04:06:40 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 02, 2008, 03:01:24 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 02, 2008, 01:44:21 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 02, 2008, 12:17:09 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 02, 2008, 11:56:09 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 01, 2008, 10:59:36 PM
Any chance of a few scores from tonights games?

I still believe it should never have been fixtured to play a day after a championship game.

Would have loved to have given you a result from st pauls v saul only the co. board decided to call the match off but forget to tell saul, so we had 22 players and a handful off supporters standing outside the gates off Palace Sorry i mean st pauls waiting to get in making phone calls to all to see if it was still on and as the fixtures sec was on holiday no one was around to tell us, it was left to saul to contact the referees sec to find out the game was off.
As a supporter i would like to know who re-embeirses my fuel allowance do i need to send for the GPA, CO Board once again a JOKE!!!
Rant over.

firstly, would you like to edit that comment with regards to the Palace!! you may have travelled up for no reason, but no need to include that reference in your rant!!

secondly, we got an email last friday confirming the game was off, so either your club didn't get it, or some one in the club is trying to pull a fast one so you can pick up some much needed points!!

Well lets call it as it is
1: We where up at St Pauls with a panel of players looking to play a match they all believed should not be played any way therefore DO YOU think WE got the E-MAIL to say it was OFF,
2 How can we be awarded points if there is no referee there.

And no i would not want to edit my comment, if someone asks how to get to St Pauls you tell them to travel out the A2 heading for Bangor then follow the signs for the PALACE BARRACKS its past them on the left.Is that not right st pauls

1: obviously you didn't get the email, but i wonder why we were sent it and your club weren't!!
2: now you see, you never mentioned there was no referee there.

though it just shows what kind of person you are when you try to associate us with the Brits up the road. when i give directions, i tell them to take the turn for Holywood after the slip road for Ikea, not Palace!! your directions are right, but there was no need for the snide 'standing outside the gates off Palace Sorry i mean st pauls' remark, makes you look petty!!

Off the Laces, i feel your pain. Funny enough a remarkably similar thing happened to me earlier in the year, showed up at a ground (ref there as well) but no sign of the home team. Several phone calls later it was established the home team wouldn't be bothering their holes showing up. Still waiting on my petrol money. Guess where that was?

Anyhoo ye and st pauls are both wrong with your directions, here's what I tell people.

1 Hit Knock dual carriageway and head east
2 pass ruc/ss/psni headquarters on left (check for anybody with a st pauls bag looking a lift)
3 pass garnerville training college on right (see above re lifts)
4 turn right at unionist party HQ (ditto)
5 continue on past palace barracks (fcuk them they can walk from there)
6 turn right at the war memorial
7 turn right again at t junction (under no circumstances ask for directions)
8 arrive at destination (changing room will have fresh paint or sectarian grafitti depending on the time of year)
9 mock and belittle your fellow gaels, sure they have it handy up there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on September 02, 2008, 04:19:12 PM
Good man passedit, I wondered how long it would be before you rose to "off the laces" and his we jibes about the location of St Pauls. If you ever have any joy on that mileage claim give me a shout and I'll look about mine as well.

God Save The Queen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 02, 2008, 04:26:22 PM
Quote from: uselessfootballer on September 02, 2008, 04:19:12 PM
Good man passedit, I wondered how long it would be before you rose to "off the laces" and his we jibes about the location of St Pauls. If you ever have any joy on that mileage claim give me a shout and I'll look about mine as well.

God Save The Queen
Dont let St Pauls see the above qoute he will go mad  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 02, 2008, 05:00:05 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 02, 2008, 04:26:22 PM
Quote from: uselessfootballer on September 02, 2008, 04:19:12 PM
Good man passedit, I wondered how long it would be before you rose to "off the laces" and his we jibes about the location of St Pauls. If you ever have any joy on that mileage claim give me a shout and I'll look about mine as well.

God Save The Queen
Dont let St Pauls see the above qoute he will go mad  ;D

too late!!  ;D

anyhow, i do understand where you are coming from OTL, it was a big f#*k up on the part of the CB in fixing the game for last night after we only played on Sunday, and I can understand your frustration after travelling up for no reason, but there is nothing we could do about that!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 02, 2008, 06:36:47 PM
Championship  Quarter finals
August 29th – 31st

SFC
Saval 1.13 Liatroin 1.8
Kilcoo 1.6 Burren 1.6 (replay on this Thurs in Newry 8pm)
Loughinisland 1.12 Downpatrick 0.7
Mayobridge 2.12 Bryansford 0.8
IFC
Annaclone 0.14 Drumgath 0.9
Kilclief 0.13 Bredagh 0.12
Glasdrumman 2.8 Warrenpoint 0.12
Darragh Cross 1.13 Shamrocks 1.7
JFC
Bright 2.12 Ballykinlar 0.2
St John 3.8 Drumaness 0.8
Newry Mitchels 0.8 St Pauls 0.10
Aghaderg 0.17 St Michaels 1.9

Div one league Mon 1st September
Rostrevor 2.12 Loughinisland 1.7
Ballyholland lost to Saval (anyone know final score?)
Clonduff 0.14 Longstone 2.6
Liatroim  v Castlewellan ???

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 02, 2008, 08:05:52 PM
Islandboy

You are correct re Loughinisland winning at home against Mayobridge
2007; Island 1.11 Bridge 0.11
2006; Island 1.10 Bridge 0.11
2004 and 2005; Islsnd werre in Div 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 02, 2008, 09:06:53 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballela 1.10 Liatroim 1.15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 02, 2008, 09:18:44 PM
I didn't know that game was being played Whitehair. With the Championship finals coming up both teams need the games. Anything to report?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 02, 2008, 09:51:20 PM
Eh we lost two key players who had to go off with leg injuries, one of which is away to hospital(fingers crossed). 50 min match and a decent runout for both teams, they only led by 2 with a few minutes remaining. A few from Hilltown were in attendance, which surprises me after hearing the whispers that are coming out of their camp, we got the impression they thought they'd the game won already!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 03, 2008, 08:31:02 AM
Quote from: stpauls on September 02, 2008, 05:00:05 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 02, 2008, 04:26:22 PM
Quote from: uselessfootballer on September 02, 2008, 04:19:12 PM
Good man passedit, I wondered how long it would be before you rose to "off the laces" and his we jibes about the location of St Pauls. If you ever have any joy on that mileage claim give me a shout and I'll look about mine as well.

God Save The Queen
Dont let St Pauls see the above qoute he will go mad  ;D

too late!!  ;D

anyhow, i do understand where you are coming from OTL, it was a big f#*k up on the part of the CB in fixing the game for last night after we only played on Sunday, and I can understand your frustration after travelling up for no reason, but there is nothing we could do about that!!
St Pauls my gripe has never been with you our St Pauls its with the CB and their inefficent running off the leagues this year. To hear someone is getting an amount off Euros to sit on his backside in castlewellan and asume someone else will do the work really gets my goat up. Once again not you or your club the County Board.
I Call for a MAJOR shakeup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 03, 2008, 10:07:47 AM
Quote from: umpire on September 02, 2008, 06:36:47 PM
Championship  Quarter finals
August 29th – 31st

SFC
Saval 1.13 Liatroin 1.8
Kilcoo 1.6 Burren 1.6 (replay on this Thurs in Newry 8pm)
Loughinisland 1.12 Downpatrick 0.7
Mayobridge 2.12 Bryansford 0.8
IFC
Annaclone 0.14 Drumgath 0.9
Kilclief 0.13 Bredagh 0.12
Glasdrumman 2.8 Warrenpoint 0.12
Darragh Cross 1.13 Shamrocks 1.7
JFC
Bright 2.12 Ballykinlar 0.2
St John 3.8 Drumaness 0.8
Newry Mitchels 0.8 St Pauls 0.10
Aghaderg 0.17 St Michaels 1.9

Div one league Mon 1st September
Rostrevor 2.12 Loughinisland 1.7
Ballyholland lost to Saval (anyone know final score?) Clonduff 0.14 Longstone 2.6
Liatroim  v Castlewellan ???



1 07 to 0 09 in favour of Saval....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 03, 2008, 10:50:09 AM
Quote from: off the laces on September 03, 2008, 08:31:02 AM
Quote from: stpauls on September 02, 2008, 05:00:05 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 02, 2008, 04:26:22 PM
Quote from: uselessfootballer on September 02, 2008, 04:19:12 PM
Good man passedit, I wondered how long it would be before you rose to "off the laces" and his we jibes about the location of St Pauls. If you ever have any joy on that mileage claim give me a shout and I'll look about mine as well.

God Save The Queen
Dont let St Pauls see the above qoute he will go mad  ;D

too late!!  ;D

anyhow, i do understand where you are coming from OTL, it was a big f#*k up on the part of the CB in fixing the game for last night after we only played on Sunday, and I can understand your frustration after travelling up for no reason, but there is nothing we could do about that!!
St Pauls my gripe has never been with you our St Pauls its with the CB and their inefficent running off the leagues this year. To hear someone is getting an amount off Euros to sit on his backside in castlewellan and asume someone else will do the work really gets my goat up. Once again not you or your club the County Board.
I Call for a MAJOR shakeup.

i know exactly what you mean OTL, the fact that the leagues started in March, and were originally scheduled to run into October, though due to the fact that 2 series of fixtures are still to be played, it could now run into November, and that is before playoffs. we also had 2 weeks in April were there were no games, and then the break in July, if this had been arranged properly, there could have been another one, maybe two games played in there!! i know the CB have a pretty tough job and i would not want to do it (before anyone has a go at me) but a bit of common sense would have prevented this problem!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 03, 2008, 12:15:38 PM
Couple of questions for anyone with a clue.

1 When are the semi final draws?
2 Has anyone a definitive answer for how relegation from division three will be decided? The latest i've heard is a bottom five playoff with three going down, surely that can't be right?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 03, 2008, 12:20:44 PM
1) Draw tomorrow night in Pairc Esler at Burren Kilcoo replay

2) Haven't a clue!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whacker on September 03, 2008, 12:41:28 PM
What time is that game at tomorrow night folks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 03, 2008, 12:43:01 PM
Quote from: passedit on September 03, 2008, 12:15:38 PM
Couple of questions for anyone with a clue.

1 When are the semi final draws?
2 Has anyone a definitive answer for how relegation from division three will be decided? The latest i've heard is a bottom five playoff with three going down, surely that can't be right?
A few pages back a st pauls poster put up it was bottom 4 with 3 going down at the minute mitchels have not got the required 30% and am not sure if bosco are in the same situation will be a lottery come the last few round off games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 03, 2008, 01:00:18 PM
extract taken directly from the County Competition Rules 2008:

(b)   Relegation from Divisions 1, 2 and 3 will be determined on a round   robin basis involving the bottom four teams in each of these Divisions following completion of the ordinary round of leagues.  Two teams will be relegated each year.  An exception will apply in 2008 when three teams will be relegated from Division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 03, 2008, 01:29:36 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 03, 2008, 01:00:18 PM
extract taken directly from the County Competition Rules 2008:

(b)   Relegation from Divisions 1, 2 and 3 will be determined on a round   robin basis involving the bottom four teams in each of these Divisions following completion of the ordinary round of leagues.  Two teams will be relegated each year.  An exception will apply in 2008 when three teams will be relegated from Division 3.

I'm afraid there is enough wiggle room there for any of the three scenarios described to me to occur i.e

1. Bottom three down automatically.
2. three from four in playoffs.
3. three from five in playoffs.

One gentleman rather mischieviously suggested to me that a final decision would not be made until the identities of the prospective relegation candidates were known. He might think that, I couldn't possibly comment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 03, 2008, 01:34:56 PM
Quote from: passedit on September 03, 2008, 01:29:36 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 03, 2008, 01:00:18 PM
extract taken directly from the County Competition Rules 2008:

(b)   Relegation from Divisions 1, 2 and 3 will be determined on a round   robin basis involving the bottom four teams in each of these Divisions following completion of the ordinary round of leagues.  Two teams will be relegated each year.  An exception will apply in 2008 when three teams will be relegated from Division 3.

I'm afraid there is enough wiggle room there for any of the three scenarios described to me to occur i.e

1. Bottom three down automatically.
2. three from four in playoffs.
3. three from five in playoffs.

One gentleman rather mischieviously suggested to me that a final decision would not be made until the identities of the prospective relegation candidates were known. He might think that, I couldn't possibly comment.

if that is the case, i suspect that we will enter another situation like last year, and that would be something the CB would not want to happen!!
from what i read there, i can't see much room for wiggling out of anything!! the bottom four with 3 to go down!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on September 03, 2008, 01:37:57 PM
Passedit /St Paul's, the answer is simple win 2 more bloody games and then it won't matter what way they decide to run it off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 03, 2008, 01:47:38 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 03, 2008, 12:43:01 PM
Quote from: passedit on September 03, 2008, 12:15:38 PM
Couple of questions for anyone with a clue.

1 When are the semi final draws?
2 Has anyone a definitive answer for how relegation from division three will be decided? The latest i've heard is a bottom five playoff with three going down, surely that can't be right?
A few pages back a st pauls poster put up it was bottom 4 with 3 going down at the minute mitchels have not got the required 30% and am not sure if bosco are in the same situation will be a lottery come the last few round off games.

currently, Glasdrumman are top of the league with 32 points, Bosco has 9 and Mitchels have 6. if the 30% rule applies, Mitchels automatically go down, as do Bosco!!
30% = 9.6(rounded up to 10)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 03, 2008, 02:03:46 PM
Quote from: uselessfootballer on September 03, 2008, 01:37:57 PM
Passedit /St Paul's, the answer is simple win 2 more bloody games and then it won't matter what way they decide to run it off

My interest is of course hopefully as a casual observer rather than frantic participant.

St Pauls, i thought the % was always rounded down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 03, 2008, 02:14:42 PM
Quote from: passedit on September 03, 2008, 02:03:46 PM
Quote from: uselessfootballer on September 03, 2008, 01:37:57 PM
Passedit /St Paul's, the answer is simple win 2 more bloody games and then it won't matter what way they decide to run it off

My interest is of course hopefully as a casual observer rather than frantic participant.

St Pauls, i thought the % was always rounded down?

again, this extract is taken from the competition rules:

Any team in Divisions 1, 2 or 3 which fails to achieve 30% (rounded up to the nearest point) of the points of the top team in that Division following the conclusion of ordinary round league games will be relegated automatically.  If more than two teams fail to achieve 30% (rounded up to the nearest point) of the points of the top team in that Division, the lowest finishing two teams will be relegated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 03, 2008, 02:54:01 PM
% always rounded up we know we had a few close runs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 03, 2008, 06:48:06 PM
Can anyone post an up to date div 3 table?
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Post by: Square Ball on September 03, 2008, 07:36:53 PM
 Team Played Won Drew Lost Points
  An Ghlasdromainn  20  15  2  3  32 
  Ard Ghlais  20  15  1  4  31 
  Breadach  19  13  2  4  28 
  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh  19  13  1  5  27 
  Droim Gath  19  10  3  6  23 
  Droim an Easa  20  9  3  8  21 
  Naomh Pól  19  7  3  9  17 
  Gleann  19  5  5  9  15 
  Sabhall Padraig  18  7  0  11  14 
  Naomh Michil  19  5  4  10  14 
  Tí Chonnachta  19  5  1  13  11 
  Naomh Eoin Bosco  19  4  1  14  9 
  Misteiligh an Iuir  18  2  2  14  6 



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on September 04, 2008, 08:07:40 AM
Have the dates for the SFC final and IFC final been confirmed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 04, 2008, 10:00:16 AM
SFC Championship Quarter Final Highlights
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=mq3UiityppM&fmt=18 (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=mq3UiityppM&fmt=18)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whacker on September 04, 2008, 10:26:39 AM
What time is throw in tonight lads?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 04, 2008, 10:33:41 AM
8 Bells.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 04, 2008, 05:14:29 PM
Aren't the semi finals draws tonight after the replay? Can someone post them as soon as?
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Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 04, 2008, 09:30:09 PM
Darragh Cross v KIlclief
Annaclone v Glasdrumman
Dont know other Championship ties
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Post by: miss mess on September 04, 2008, 09:37:54 PM
burren won 3.13-2.07

burren v loughisland
bridge v saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 04, 2008, 09:52:57 PM
After tonight Burren v Kilcoo game

predictions league

8   BRIDGE LAD
7   Bridgegael
7   Blue Island
7   D45
7   dundrumite
7   off the laces
6   Amallon
6   Aristotle Flynn
6   downfanatic
6   General
6   Islandboy
6   Maiden 1
6   Niall Quinn
6   thewobbler
6   Umpire
5   Stiff Breeze
5   Minus15
4   Passedit
4   Statto-gael
4   Brick Tamlin
3   Square Ball
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 04, 2008, 09:58:46 PM
Quote from: miss mess on September 04, 2008, 09:37:54 PM
burren won 3.13-2.07

burren v loughisland
bridge v saval

Kilcoo out - busy night for the bouncers in pubs tonight around castlewellan!!! (going on previous form)
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Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 04, 2008, 10:04:12 PM
Good win for Burren...

Burren Bridge final on the cards??!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 04, 2008, 10:07:38 PM
The first half was a great halfs football but the sending off killed the game as a contest.  Burren looked very dangerous up front and will take a bit of stopping.

My predictions:
Burren v Loughinisland (Burren)
Mayobridge v Saval (Bridge)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 04, 2008, 10:08:56 PM
Who got sent off and why?
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Post by: Blue Island on September 04, 2008, 10:57:39 PM
Quote from: amallon on September 04, 2008, 10:07:38 PM
The first half was a great halfs football but the sending off killed the game as a contest.  Burren looked very dangerous up front and will take a bit of stopping.

My predictions:
Burren v Loughinisland (Burren)
Mayobridge v Saval (Bridge)



If you were a betting man you could not argue with that prediction. Its a plus to avoid you lot, but Burren have to be favourites after a result like that against Kilcoo. I predicted a Burren win, but did not think they would be able to score so much against Kilcoo. I do not think this Burren side has a great number of individual stars, however, they are very fit at the moment, very well drilled, and extremely hard working. The Burren team we played at the start of the year is quite different from the present and Barton must deserve credit for that.

If we are to beat them we will need a full and fit panel to pick from and will need to match the intensity they have. We are quite a Jekyll and Hyde team at the moment.

Kilcoo must be wondering when their time will come. They have put so much into the club at all levels in the last ten years and are as committed a bunch as you will meet, but they appear to be no closer to the elusive promised land.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on September 04, 2008, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on September 04, 2008, 10:08:56 PM
Who got sent off and why?
A Brannigan got the line and in fairness Kilcoo could have lost 1/2 more and Burren possibly 1.
Sent off for striking. I wuld lay the blame at Managers door as he should have moved him out of full back earlier as he was getting roasted by Eoin McCartan and his frustration was building up. He's a good footballer but never a full back by any stretch of imagination.
Score line actually flattered Kilcoo.
Thought Declan Rooney was immense along with Chris McGovern.
Don't think that Kilcoo teamwill ever win a championship as they do not seem to have the discipline or nous to compete when the chips are down.
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Post by: guevara on September 05, 2008, 12:20:09 AM
Firstly I am neither a Burren or Kilcoo fan!!

Thought the sending off ruined a good game! Brannigan had to go if he struck out but from what I seen Burren were lucky to finish with 15!
Eoin McArtan was spoke to three times and only booked for what appeared to be striking why? Anthony Cunningham got involved in more than most and comitted constant niggly fouls that were allowed to go unpunished.
James McGovern was the same hit younger Brannigan clear as day in front of linesman and nothing done!

I think Burren were the cuter team, Kilcoo lumped high ball into Lavery who wasnt getting a sniff so what do they do? they continue to thump high ball into him.

Aidan Brannigan was very foolish he was getting annoyed because McCartan had got away with two slaps on him and decided to exact revenge! had to go!
I honestly dunno how Gorm agus Bui reckon C McGovern & Declan Rooney were best two on field ;D
Rooney looks strong but brought very little to the game & McGovern wasnt noticeable at all!
Best players imo were J McGovern, McKernan, A Devlin and Kilcoo no 6!

Referee shite again!! ruined a good game and if going by letter of law shouldve finished with possibly 12/13 players each on the field!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 05, 2008, 12:33:15 AM
DOWN CHAMPIONSHIP FIXTURES


FRIDAY 12TH SEPTEMBER



7.00 pm       Democrat Media Junior Hurling Championship Final in Pairc Esler
Cluain Daimh (Clonduff)                     v Baile Aileach (Ballela)



8.30 pm      Powerade Down Senior Football Championship in Pairc Esler
Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge)          v          Sabhaill (Saval)



SATURDAY 13TH SEPTEMBER



4.00 pm      Around-A-Pound Down Intermediate Football Championship in Newcastle
Cill Cleithe (Kilclief)                               v          Crois Darach (Darragh Cross)



5.30 pm      Around-A-Pound Down Intermediate Football Championship in Newcastle
Glasdromainn (Glasdrumman)                    v          Eanach Cluana (Annaclone)





SUNDAY 14TH SEPTEMBER



1 30pm        Democrat Media Senior Hurling Championship in Kliclief

                     Baile Mhic Uileagoid(Ballygalget) v An Duin Theas(Down Juniors)



2.00 pm      Down Junior Football Championship in Darragh Cross
Naomh Eoin (St Johns)                        v           Naomh Pol (St Paul's)



4.30 pm      Down Junior Football Championship in Pairc Esler
Achada Dearg (Aghaderg)                     v          Breachtain (Bright)



5 00pm        Democrat Media Senior Hurling Championship in Ballygalget

                     Baille Crann(Ballycran)                      v Port an Pheire(Portaferry)



6.00 pm      Powerade Down Senior Football Championship in Pairc Esler
Boireann (Burren)                                        v          Loch An Oileain (Loughinisland)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whacker on September 05, 2008, 08:19:30 AM
One quick question? When did Abu Dhabi United take the reigns at Burren?

Must be serious money floating about for both Barton and Poucher-  What is Pouchers role?

Poor game, over long before half time.  The turning point for me was about 15 mins into the first half-  It was 1-4 to 1-2 to Burren.  Kilcoo went down the field three times and had easy point chances, didnt take them.  Burren went right up the other end and Eoin McCartan scored his second goal- Clinical!

Thought Full-forward line were potent- Kevin McKernan carried the ball well but they have to worry about their defence.  They got run ragged at times and in fairness only the country and its ma knew Kilcoo only had one forward who was going to cause trouble and who they looked for every time and they snuffed him out.  A more pacey, dangerous group of forwards will take these boys to the cleaners!  Have to agree and thought Referee give Burren some very handy frees and let them away with an awful lot too but they were far too superior on the night. 

In all fairness to Barton Poucher et al, they have them well drilled, they know their strengths and get the ball to the right men.  Was impressed with Barton I must say, Dont know what the general consensous is but only seem him a couple of times now and have being impressed.

Not all plain sailing for a Burren 'Bridge final.  Island and Saval will certainly have something to say about that!
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Post by: islandboy on September 05, 2008, 09:12:37 AM
we will have to play well against burren but i feel we really do have a great chance. we have a superior midfield to probably any team in the county and if we can stop the supply going in then our forwards will have to be on song. really looking forward to it.
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Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 05, 2008, 09:20:58 AM
Few questions on fixtures there.Surprised Loughinisland have to travel to newry(by-passing Burren) to play Burren.Do all Burren games have to be in Newry?Intermediate games both in Newcastle,have to say i hate Newcastle,such a lifeless venue,would have preferred Castlewellan.DC v Kilclief should have been in Downpatrick as its about 10 mins from both clubs,perhaps could have been part of a double header with St Johns V St Pauls.Predictions:

Darragh Cross & Annaclone to prosper along with the Bridge and Burren.I think Saval will really test Mayobridge as long as they dont freeze
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 05, 2008, 09:25:32 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 05, 2008, 12:33:15 AM
DOWN CHAMPIONSHIP FIXTURES


FRIDAY 12TH SEPTEMBER



7.00 pm       Democrat Media Junior Hurling Championship Final in Pairc Esler
Cluain Daimh (Clonduff)                     v Baile Aileach (Ballela)



8.30 pm      Powerade Down Senior Football Championship in Pairc Esler
Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge)          v          Sabhaill (Saval)



SATURDAY 13TH SEPTEMBER



4.00 pm      Around-A-Pound Down Intermediate Football Championship in Newcastle
Cill Cleithe (Kilclief)                               v          Crois Darach (Darragh Cross)



5.30 pm      Around-A-Pound Down Intermediate Football Championship in Newcastle
Glasdromainn (Glasdrumman)                    v          Eanach Cluana (Annaclone)





SUNDAY 14TH SEPTEMBER



1 30pm        Democrat Media Senior Hurling Championship in Kliclief

                     Baile Mhic Uileagoid(Ballygalget) v An Duin Theas(Down Juniors)



2.00 pm      Down Junior Football Championship in Darragh Cross
Naomh Eoin (St Johns)                        v           Naomh Pol (St Paul's)



4.30 pm      Down Junior Football Championship in Pairc Esler
Achada Dearg (Aghaderg)                     v          Breachtain (Bright)



5 00pm        Democrat Media Senior Hurling Championship in Ballygalget

                     Baille Crann(Ballycran)                      v Port an Pheire(Portaferry)



6.00 pm      Powerade Down Senior Football Championship in Pairc Esler
Boireann (Burren)                                        v          Loch An Oileain (Loughinisland)


I take it there will be no league fixtures next weekend then??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 05, 2008, 10:07:15 AM
Are there a round of league fixtures tonight?

I don't think Burren would have won it as handy with 15 on 15, the sending off killed Kilcoo. 
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Post by: stpauls on September 05, 2008, 10:12:42 AM
OTL: as far as i know, there were never any league fistures set for this month, bar tonights fixtures!!
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Post by: wherefromreferee? on September 05, 2008, 10:35:29 AM
Does Ciaran 'Birdie' Burren still kick ball??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on September 05, 2008, 10:42:54 AM
think its a bit harsh suggesting a number of burren players could've been sent off against kilcoo, if this is the case then at least 2 more kilcoo men shouldve got the line, not least the younger braqnnigan who clearly stamped dan mccarton whilst he was on the ground, i think the ref done a pretty good job(much more under control than the previous week) true he maybe couldve splashed out a few more cards (if he was goin by the letter of the law) but surely it would ruin the game as a spectacle if it ended up 13 vs 12 men.

i think the kilcoo mentality of hard hitting (niggly tackles/off the ball stuff) is parrt of their own downfall when it comes to ch'ship football, they play decent league football all year then get themselves worked up and indisciplined come ch'ship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 05, 2008, 10:47:57 AM
Quote from: amallon on September 05, 2008, 10:07:15 AM
Are there a round of league fixtures tonight?

I don't think Burren would have won it as handy with 15 on 15, the sending off killed Kilcoo. 

yeh there are fixtures tonight supposed to throw in at 6.30! except for Kilcoo v Saval Rostrevor v burren
c' wellan v stone which are fixed for monday

and i agree 15 v 15 would have been a closer battle, as it was kilcoo didnt have enuff firepower up front
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 05, 2008, 11:02:33 AM
At the game last night and enjoyed some good football from both teams but mainly Burren obviously.  Kilcoo lost the heads totally after the sending off (and Brannigan definitely deserved to go - didnt see what McCartan done to him but saw Brannigan clearly punching him).  From then on Kilcoo were tackling verging on seriously dangerous stuff.  The younger Brannigan stamped on Daniel McCartan and the number 10 i think done a flying kick reminiscent of Greg McCartan against Armagh a number of years back.

Burren were no angels but i thought they were basically hitting hard, not always fair, but not dangerous stuff.  They did consistently stand in front of the free taker and lay down in the second half but they played some good stuff.  I didnt think they had that sort of fire power up front apart from maybe James MCGovern, but Eoin McCartan showed some good form.  He must have scored 2-3 or something like that.

They will find it difficult against Loughinisland.  They will not win a lot around midfield and have to come with a plan on how to stop Gordon.  If they do this they are on a winner.  Loughinisland need to have the O'Reillys flying.  These two guys really are their best hope in terms of getting scores.  I think this will be a good game.  PLenty of hard hitting and every score earned through sheer determination.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on September 05, 2008, 11:49:13 AM
Super Dupe, surely the infamous flying kick against Oisin McConville at Casement was the work of Sean Ward rather than Gregory McCartan ? Ward was probably on the bench for Burren last night, so you could have asked him yourself.
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Post by: centre 3/4s on September 05, 2008, 11:58:00 AM
Hands up we were well beat last night would like to see Burren go on and win it, hope they tank l'island in semi!!
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Post by: lfdown2 on September 05, 2008, 12:05:00 PM
as a 'neutral' it was a great game last night! was worried this year might be their year!! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 05, 2008, 12:59:20 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 05, 2008, 11:49:13 AM
Super Dupe, surely the infamous flying kick against Oisin McConville at Casement was the work of Sean Ward rather than Gregory McCartan ? Ward was probably on the bench for Burren last night, so you could have asked him yourself.

Ah yes you are indeed correct.  Time has dimmed the memory a bit.  Just remember the foot being about 10 foot in the air  ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 05, 2008, 01:23:37 PM
any word on the u21/20 championship in down starting? burren in with a good chance of winnin that aswell...again! hopefully not thow  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on September 05, 2008, 01:32:49 PM
i fancy burren to take the bridge if they meet in the final.  clonduff could have beaten them in the first round and we should have beaten them last year in both games.  the bridge never do anything outside of down anyway.  maybe burren could make a name for themselves yet again in ulster like many moons ago. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 05, 2008, 01:54:40 PM
Quote from: miss mess on September 05, 2008, 01:32:49 PM
i fancy burren to take the bridge if they meet in the final.  clonduff could have beaten them in the first round and we should have beaten them last year in both games.  the bridge never do anything outside of down anyway.  maybe burren could make a name for themselves yet again in ulster like many moons ago. 

Are you on the wind up - ffs they have only got to a championship semi final, many moons ago is a very long time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 05, 2008, 02:00:04 PM
A lot of coulds and shoulds but no result miss mess!  ;)  As for a Bridge Burren final I'm not looking passed Saval and I'm sure Burren won't be thinking about anything other than Loughinisland.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 05, 2008, 02:44:35 PM
lads, whats the weather like down the country? if it is anything like up here in Holywood, will there be many of tonights games going ahead?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 05, 2008, 03:13:54 PM
Went to the game last night. Kilcoo are forever the bridesmaids. I beleive that it is lack of height which is holding them back. Simple as that. Yes, they have a handful of 6 footers but last night it was glaringly obvious once again that they just cant compete with high ball.
Burren looked very capable. Loughinisland will give them a great game and this will a very hard one to call. The Bridge should take Saval. Complacency wont be an issue and you'd expect them to make the Final.
The IFC draw is pretty straightforward in my eyes. I just cant see past Annaclone and Darragh Cross. It is highly unlikely that Glasdrumman will cause another shock while Darragh will be too mobile for an ageing Kilclief team.
The winners of the St Johns/St Pauls game are guaranteed to win the JFC. Bright are awful while Aghaderg may just be slightly better but neither of these two teams will have a hope in the Final.
On a totally personal note I hope St Pauls beat St Johns. You would think to hear from these St Johns boys that they are the next big thing. They have only won Division 4 and they are talking of great things ahead. Hopefully St Pauls can knock the cockiness out of them and go on and take the Junior.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 05, 2008, 03:15:18 PM
island v mayobridge is off tonight. our pitch is unplayable. gives us a week to prepare for semi final. i do think we could have played the semi closer to home as it is an hour to newry. even hilltown would be fine burt the powers to be would rather the game played in a 90 % empty ground in south down. nothing new there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 05, 2008, 03:26:09 PM
Cheers for the update IslandBoy. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down_head on September 05, 2008, 03:30:36 PM
any word on what the ballyholland picth is like?? there is supposed to be minor semi final there tomorrow? wil it go ahead?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on September 05, 2008, 03:43:37 PM
heaven forbid a girl could have an opinion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 05, 2008, 03:48:15 PM
Don't worry miss mess its not sexism its just Clonduffism.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on September 05, 2008, 04:18:50 PM
initially we were told the island game would be in castlewellan next sunday, but obviously newry want to hold as many games as possible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 05, 2008, 04:23:34 PM
Tullylish v Dundrum at Laurencetown has succumbed to the weather.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 05, 2008, 04:41:14 PM
Bredagh V Glasdrumman is off - cherryvale closed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 05, 2008, 04:59:55 PM
Quote from: miss mess on September 05, 2008, 01:32:49 PM
i fancy burren to take the bridge if they meet in the final.  clonduff could have beaten them in the first round and we should have beaten them last year in both games.  the bridge never do anything outside of down anyway.  maybe burren could make a name for themselves yet again in ulster like many moons ago. 

:D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 05, 2008, 05:11:26 PM
Friday 5th September 6.30pm

O'Neills ACFL

Div One S18

Loughinisland off Mayobridge

Clonduff v Liatroim

Kilcoo off Saval

Rostrevor off Burren

Castlewellan off Longstone

An Riocht v Ballyholland


Div Two S18

Shamrocks v Atticall

Darragh Cross v Ballymartin

Warrenpoint v Clann na Banna

Tullylish off Dundrum

Kliclief v Downpatrick

Bryansford v Annaclone

Div Three S23

Drumaness v Tecconnaught

Drumgath v Saul

Mitchels v St John Bosco

St Micheals v Carryduff

Bredagh off Glassdrumman

Glenn off Ardglass

Div Four S18

Ballykinlar v Bright

Dromara off Aghaderg

Aughlisnafinn v St Johns


Any more pitch reports? Boys this has been some summer.  :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dromara Gael on September 05, 2008, 05:20:56 PM
Aghaderg v Dromara game off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 05, 2008, 05:32:31 PM
Glenn v Ardglass off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mixer boy on September 05, 2008, 05:46:29 PM
any1 know wat condition the burren pitch is. longstone and glenn r to play there tomorrow in the minor championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 05, 2008, 06:12:15 PM
anyone know if games will go ahead tomorrow?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on September 05, 2008, 06:26:49 PM
Drumgath v Saul OFF (At least Saul didn't have to travel this time to find out  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tsunami on September 05, 2008, 06:28:12 PM
point v clann na banna off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on September 05, 2008, 07:31:46 PM
Quote from: miss mess on September 05, 2008, 01:32:49 PM
i fancy burren to take the bridge if they meet in the final.  clonduff could have beaten them in the first round and we should have beaten them last year in both games.  the bridge never do anything outside of down anyway.  maybe burren could make a name for themselves yet again in ulster like many moons ago. 


at what point should longstone have beaten bridge last year??  in all reality clonduff never looked like beating bridge in first round? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on September 05, 2008, 07:51:49 PM
 The match last night was no where near as entertaining as first game,  the sending off did put an end to kilcoo chances but in fairness to burren they played well and would still have beat kilcoo at 15.  Don't know how the kilcoo corner back got a busted nose,  but definately should have walked for his stamp on dan mccartan.  At the end it was more or less shooting practice for Burren. at least the kilcoo boys will be able to shave their beards of now!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 05, 2008, 08:11:35 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on September 05, 2008, 06:26:49 PM
Drumgath v Saul OFF (At least Saul didn't have to travel this time to find out  ;D

if you had travelled to Holywood this evening, you still would have got a game on the pitch! the boys were out training on it earlier!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on September 05, 2008, 08:38:26 PM
Downpatrick beat Kilclief by a goal tonight ( 2-8/3-8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on September 05, 2008, 10:18:48 PM
Bryansford 0-10 Annaclone 0-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 05, 2008, 10:45:26 PM
Just a little comment on the draw, think the bridge should be happy! Someone said on an earlier post that Saval would really test the Bridge, not a hope, i honestly think the Bridge will win by 10 plus points!
Bridge and Loughisland final!
Oh aye see i won the predictions too! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on September 06, 2008, 11:25:46 AM
Mayobridge v Bosco minor semi-final is moved to Ballymartin :-\   surely saval, Burren or even Newry would have been fit to hold this!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 06, 2008, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on September 06, 2008, 11:25:46 AM
Mayobridge v Bosco minor semi-final is moved to Ballymartin :-\   surely saval, Burren or even Newry would have been fit to hold this!!!!

What a f**king joke, cant believe this. taking two teams away to there is unbelievable. Typicable county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 06, 2008, 12:21:41 PM
Hope the Bredagh v Bford is still on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on September 06, 2008, 12:45:41 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on September 06, 2008, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on September 06, 2008, 11:25:46 AM
Mayobridge v Bosco minor semi-final is moved to Ballymartin :-\   surely saval, Burren or even Newry would have been fit to hold this!!!!

What a f**king joke, cant believe this. taking two teams away to there is unbelievable. Typicable county board.
Not a county board decision. Youth Board decide these fixtures.
Think it is a bit rich of S Down clubs complaining of venues when most the likes of Burren/Mayobridge/Clonduff get preferential treatment. Newry is hardly convenient to Loughinisland for SFC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on September 06, 2008, 01:03:33 PM
Quote from: SCENTOFSAM on September 06, 2008, 12:45:41 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on September 06, 2008, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on September 06, 2008, 11:25:46 AM
Mayobridge v Bosco minor semi-final is moved to Ballymartin :-\   surely saval, Burren or even Newry would have been fit to hold this!!!!

What a f**king joke, cant believe this. taking two teams away to there is unbelievable. Typicable county board.
Not a county board decision. Youth Board decide these fixtures.
Think it is a bit rich of S Down clubs complaining of venues when most the likes of Burren/Mayobridge/Clonduff get preferential treatment. Newry is hardly convenient to Loughinisland for SFC

would you not agree that burren saval or newry would have benn better for both clubs for todays mainor match??
yes i agree that the burren/loughinisland match should have been in castlewellan or newcastle.  anyway if loughinisland make it to final they will have to play in newry anyway!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on September 06, 2008, 02:24:46 PM
But are they available or in condition after the recent weather.
My one concern about  Ballymartin would be the wind on a day like this which could ruin it as a spectacle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 06, 2008, 02:53:46 PM
Congratulation to BRIDGE LAD in prediction league,

Would the BRIDGE LAD, bridgegeal and Amallon remember the last time Bridge and Saval met?

Would Islandboy remember last time they met Burren in Championship?

Previous championship meetings

2002; First round
Burren 0.20 Loughinisland 2.10


Mark Rocks;
Paddy Murtagh, Ciaran Byrne, Ronan McGivern;
Aidan McGivern 0.3, Ronan McGovern, Brendan McKernan;
Sean Ward, Eunan McGovern;
James McCartan, Mark Curtis 0.2, Paddy Bradley 0.6;
PJ McAlinden 0.2 Gavin Murdock 0.6 Aidan Woods 0.1

Loughinisland
Sean Carville;
Paddy Magorrian, Ciaran Fitzpatrick, James Doran;
Matt Fitzpatrick, Joe Doran, Conor O'Toole 0.2;
Brendan Ward, Alan Molloy;
Dan Gordon 2.0, Gary Gordon, Gary Mason 0.8;
Aaron McKeown, Paul Rice, Niall McCartney;

2003; First Round
Mayobridge 4.14 Saval 2.5

Mayobridge team

Sean Featherson;
Darragh Tighe, Kieran O'Hare, Ronan O'Hare;
Brendan Rodgers, Francis Poland, Noel Sexton;
Eoin Woods, Declan Rooney 0.1;
Mickey Linden 0.4, Michael Walsh 0.4, Ronan Sexton;
Glen McMahon, Robbie Coulter 2.4, Benny Coulter 2.1;
Subs used; Joe Coulter, Gavin Barry and Brendan Grant

Saval team

Peter Murphy;
Jonathan Hughes, Declan McCartney, M. Turley;
Darren Quinn, Gavin Quinn, Darren Cunningham 0.2;
K. Morgan, Colm Turley;
Finbar McConville 1.0, Gary Hughes, Peter Turley;
Gavin Digney, Daniel Hughes 1.3, K Faloon;
Subs used; P. Greenan, M. Haveern and S. Clarke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 06, 2008, 03:21:08 PM
Overall leader in prediction league
23   downfanatic
23   Niall Quinn
21   off the laces
20   Amallon
20   Bridgegael
20   D45
20   dundrumite
20   Islandboy
20   Umpire
18   General
18   thewobbler
17   Brick Tamlin
16   Minus15
15   Square Ball
13   Centre 3/4
12   NO 1
8   BRIDGE LAD
7   Blue Island
6   Aristotle Flynn
6   Maiden 1
5   Stiff Breeze
4   Passedit
4   Statto-gael
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 06, 2008, 03:26:48 PM
Down Championship semi-final

SFC
Saval v Mayobridge; Mayobridge
Loughinisland v Burren; Burren

IFC
Annaclone v Glasdrumman; Annaclone
Darragh Cross v Kilclief; Darragh Cross

JFC
Aghaderg v Bright; Aghaderg
St John v St Pauls; St John
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on September 06, 2008, 04:20:23 PM
Down Championship semi-final

SFC
Saval v Mayobridge; Mayobridge
Loughinisland v Burren; Burren

IFC
Annaclone v Glasdrumman; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Kilclief; Darragh Cross

JFC
Aghaderg v Bright; Aghaderg
St John v St Pauls; St Paul
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 06, 2008, 04:45:06 PM



SFC
Saval v Mayobridge; Mayobridge  - Too Strong
Loughinisland v Burren; Burren - Tight but burren by 3

IFC
Annaclone v Glasdrumman; Annaclone - Glassdrumman won't get lucky twice
Darragh Cross v Kilclief; Darragh Cross - Great result in last round think they'll progress

JFC
Aghaderg v Bright; Aghaderg - Stronger than Bright
St John v St Pauls; St Pauls - Up and coming team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 06, 2008, 05:18:59 PM
Down Championship semi-final

SFC
Saval v Mayobridge; Mayobridge
Loughinisland v Burren; Burren

IFC
Annaclone v Glasdrumman; Annaclone
Darragh Cross v Kilclief; Darragh Cross

JFC
Aghaderg v Bright; Aghaderg
St John v St Pauls; Draw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on September 06, 2008, 05:22:52 PM
mayobridge minors won by 6 points in a game which was spoilt by a gale force wind blowing straight across the field!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mixer boy on September 06, 2008, 05:51:18 PM
glenn minors were beat by 2 points by longstone in the b chamionship. 1-9 til 1-11. thought the referee was very poor giving some strange free kicks. he say micheal ireland lash out at a glenn player twice and did nothin about it. he never brought and linesmen with him so alot of stuff goin on off the ball that were unpunished. was a very gud game of football with both teams giving everything they had.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mixer boy on September 06, 2008, 05:56:45 PM
all round was a gud year for glenn underage wif the under 16s beating in the semi by burren but proved they r still the best team in south down by beating them in the league three weeks later in a game that meant nothin to glenn but burren had to win to have a chance of winning the league. u 14s won the fiele and did the county proud down in cavan and were very unlucky not to beat rostrevor in the championship at the quarter final stage. rostrevor went on to win it. hopefully they can start climing the divisions again in a few years and get glenn into senior championships again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 06, 2008, 06:22:07 PM
MFC A SF Bryansford 1-10 Bredagh 1-5. The score is misleading, as the Ford goal came with the last kick in what was a very tight game. Bredagh had a nervous start against the wind at Ardglass, and took a long time to settle. By the time they did, the Ford were seven up. Bredagh steadily pegged them back, and, if a couple of big refereeing calls had not gone against them, they might have sneaked it. It was up for grabs in injury time, with the Ford just holding on by two points and Bredagh throwing everything at them. One misplaced pass saw a three on one breakway for the Ford  goal. The Ford were strong down the middle, which suited the heavy conditions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 06, 2008, 07:01:41 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 06, 2008, 06:22:07 PM
MFC A SF Bryansford 1-10 Bredagh 1-5. The score is misleading, as the Ford goal came with the last kick in what was a very tight game. Bredagh had a nervous start against the wind at Ardglass, and took a long time to settle. By the time they did, the Ford were seven up. Bredagh steadily pegged them back, and, if a couple of big refereeing calls had not gone against them, they might have sneaked it. It was up for grabs in injury time, with the Ford just holding on by two points and Bredagh throwing everything at them. One misplaced pass saw a three on one breakway for the Ford  goal. The Ford were strong down the middle, which suited the heavy conditions.

good call on the game, I like you thought that there were a few very strange decisions by the ref...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 06, 2008, 08:21:46 PM
Down Championship semi-final

SFC
Saval v Mayobridge; Mayobridge
Loughinisland v Burren; Burren

IFC
Annaclone v Glasdrumman; Annaclone
Darragh Cross v Kilclief; Darragh Cross

JFC
Aghaderg v Bright; Aghaderg
St John v St Pauls; St John's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 06, 2008, 08:35:33 PM
SFC
Saval v Mayobridge; Mayobridge
Loughinisland v Burren; Burren

IFC
Annaclone v Glasdrumman; Annaclone
Darragh Cross v Kilclief; Darragh Cross

JFC
Aghaderg v Bright; Bright (just to be different
St John v St Pauls; Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on September 06, 2008, 09:14:56 PM
In an attempt to get away from bottom place ....

SFC
Saval v Mayobridge; Mayobridge
Loughinisland v Burren; Loughinisland

IFC
Annaclone v Glasdrumman; Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross v Kilclief; Darragh Cross

JFC
Aghaderg v Bright; Aghaderg
St John v St Pauls;  St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on September 06, 2008, 11:37:22 PM
The burning question at the moment is, can Loughinisland beat Mayobridge in the final. I believe they can
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on September 07, 2008, 12:36:01 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 06, 2008, 11:37:22 PM
The burning question at the moment is, can Loughinisland beat Mayobridge in the final. I believe they can

answer has to be no! how cn they when they wont be in the final??  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on September 07, 2008, 10:10:56 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 06, 2008, 11:37:22 PM
The burning question at the moment is, can Loughinisland beat Mayobridge in the final. I believe they can
The burning question at the moment is, who can Loughinisland transfer in for next year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on September 07, 2008, 01:35:51 PM
theres a cream that can be aquired to stop all that burning. Works a treat
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on September 07, 2008, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 06, 2008, 11:37:22 PM
The burning question at the moment is, can Loughinisland beat Mayobridge in the final. I believe they can

Its not a burning question in Loughinisland. There is the little problem of Burren to get over before we could consider either Mayobride or Saval. If you look at most posts, we are not given much of a hope to beat Burren, so you are jumping the gun big time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 07, 2008, 03:43:55 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on September 07, 2008, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 06, 2008, 11:37:22 PM
The burning question at the moment is, can Loughinisland beat Mayobridge in the final. I believe they can

Its not a burning question in Loughinisland. There is the little problem of Burren to get over before we could consider either Mayobride or Saval. If you look at most posts, we are not given much of a hope to beat Burren, so you are jumping the gun big time.

Talking down your chances, classic tyrone!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 07, 2008, 09:47:40 PM
Friday 5th Sept
ACFL Div 2
Downpatrick 3 08 Kilclief 2 08
Shamrocks 0 06 Attical 0 07
Bryansford 0 10 Annaclone 0 06
ACFL Div 3
Drumaness 0 10 Tecconaught 2 04
ACFL Div 4
Ballykinlar 0 04 Bright 2 08
Sunday 7th
RFC Semi Final
Castlewellan 3rds 0 12 Drumaness 1 08
PRFC Semi Finals
Burren 1 12 Kilcoo 2 06
Mayobridge1 09 Saval 0 09
ACPRL Div 1
Clonduff 2 11 Castlewellan 0 11
Rostrevor 3 09 Liatroim 1 09
ACPRL Div 2
Bredagh 3 05 Carryduff 1 15
Annaclone 0 12 Warrenpoint 1 09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 08, 2008, 08:26:57 AM
SFC
Saval v Mayobridge; Mayobridge by 5 pts
Loughinisland v Burren; Loughinisland by 1-2 pts

IFC
Annaclone v Glasdrumman; Glasdrumman by 3
Darragh Cross v Kilclief; Darragh Cross by 4 (but i would prefer a cricket score) ;D ;)

JFC
Aghaderg v Bright; Bright by 2
St Johns v St Pauls; St Pauls in a good game by a goal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Abble on September 08, 2008, 08:53:37 AM
any dates/venues for these games yet ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 08, 2008, 09:09:11 AM
SFC
Saval v Mayobridge; Mayobridge
Loughinisland v Burren; Burren

IFC
Annaclone v Glasdrumman; Annaclone
Darragh Cross v Kilclief; Darragh Cross

JFC
Aghaderg v Bright; Aghaderg
St John v St Pauls;  St Pauls

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fordsupporter on September 08, 2008, 01:18:57 PM
Minor Championship Final
Any predictions for the minor championship final between the ford and the bridge?
Bryansford won the U16 championship 2 years ago but i hear the bridge are strong this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 08, 2008, 02:22:32 PM
Down Championship semi-final

SFC
Saval v Mayobridge; Mayobridge
Loughinisland v Burren; Loughinisland

IFC
Annaclone v Glasdrumman; Annaclone
Darragh Cross v Kilclief; Darragh Cross

JFC
Aghaderg v Bright; Aghaderg
St John v St Pauls; St Paul
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on September 08, 2008, 03:10:22 PM
Any chance fordsupporter you're on the Bryansford minor team?? ;D
I watched the bridge minors come through 2 hard games against Kilcoo, they have a right team with some talented footballers who will be pushing onto the seniors in a year or two (Ryan Brady already is), those close encounters might stand to them if the final is a tight affair (which on previous history it should be). How has the fords run to final been like, i know they didn't get it to handy in their semifinal win over Bredagh!!
I'd say it will be a close and hard fought final, both teams have talented men up the middle, it might come down to how the less notable boys react to the big day!! i think the bridge might shade it by 1/2 points in the final simply due to their determination which they showed against Kilcoo and maybe the revenge factor from the u-16 final 2 years ago!!

Senior Championship Predictions:
Saval v Mayobridge; (Mayobridge by a bag full, i don't mean to be disrespectful to saval but Ballyholland and Liatroim could been seen as an easy pathway to the semi's and i dint think their defence will be able to cope with the mayobridge attack. Danny Hughes won't get as much freedom from Gavin Barry as he has enjoyed or any of their other forwards for that matter, the entire mayobridge defence was impressive against Bryansford.

Loughinisland v Burren (Burren to come through after a bit of a scare, previous to watching Burren's annihilation of Kilcoo i would have been uncertain which way this would go but Burren seem to be peaking at the right time and McGovern, McCartan and co. should see the game out. However if Loughinisland are wary of short kick-outs (I'm sure burren will have some method to take big Dan out) and pressurise Mckernan on the ball for he is the main person who carries the ball out of defence and delivers it into the forwards, then likes of the 2 O'Reilly's definitely can cause trouble for the Burren defence

Intermediate Championship:
Annaclone v Glasdrumman: Annaclone should win this one, they finished well against Drumgath and on paper are favourites for this intermediate c/ship, although they should have had Drumgath beaten well before the final whistle but let them back into it. they mightn't as lucky if they give Glasdrumman that opportunity!!

Darragh Cross v Kilclief; Darragh Cross was very impressed with these boys in their 1/4 final victory over a Shamrocks side full of county players ???, they seem have a few dangerous forwards and have a high work-rate. the introduction of the young lad Mageean back from America will help them if he can stay injury free :D

Junior Championship: can't say i know alot about any of the the teams but I'd go for
St Pauls v St Johns; St Pauls
Aghaderg v Bright ; Aghaderg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 08, 2008, 03:50:38 PM
QuoteDarragh Cross v Kilclief; Darragh Cross was very impressed with these boys in their 1/4 final victory over a Shamrocks side full of county players , they seem have a few dangerous forwards and have a high work-rate. the introduction of the young lad Mageean back from America will help them if he can stay injury free

Eh Dulaney whats with the smile face in relation to Mageean and being injury free? If its Padraig you are referring to then someone suffering a cruciate injurys far from a laughing matter!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 08, 2008, 04:53:43 PM
I hear there may be a round of senior league fixtures this saturday, except for those playing championship football, anyone know or hear about this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on September 08, 2008, 08:50:47 PM
Downpatrick play Clann na Banna on Thursday night . First competitive game under the new lights at Downpatrick. 8pm throw in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 08, 2008, 08:58:32 PM
Down ACFL Division 2
Tullylish 0-14  Dundrum 1-03

That's us relegated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 08, 2008, 09:00:41 PM
Thursday 11th Sept 8 00
ACFL Div 2
Downpatrick v Clann na Banna
Friday 12th 7 00 Pairc Esler
Democrat Media JHC Final
Cluain Daimh v Baile Aileach(Sean Fitzsimmons)
Pairc Esler 8 30
Powerade SFC Semi Final
Droichead Mhaigh Eo v Sabhaill(B Rice)
Saturday 13th Sept 4 00 Newcastle
Around A Pound IFC Semi Final
Cill Cleithe v Crois Darach(D Laverty)
Newcastle 5 30
Around A Pound IFC Semi Final
Glasdromainn v Eanach Cluana(N Morgan)
Sunday 13th 1 00
ACFL Div 1
Clonduff v Liatroim
Castlewellan v Longstone
An Riocht v Ballyholland
ACFL Div 2
Warrenpoint v Clann na Banna
ACFL Div 3
Drumgath v Saul
St Micheals v Carryduff
Mitchels v St John Bosco
Ardglass v Drumaness
Sunday 1 30 in Kilclief
Democrat Media SHC Semi Final
Baile Mhic Uileagoid v An Duin Theas(P Braniff)
Sunday 2 00 Darragh Cross
JFC Semi Final
Naomh Eoin v Naomh Pol(O Burke)
4 30 Pairc Esler
JFC Semi Final
Achada Dearg v Breachtain(A Grant)
6 00 Pairc Esler
Powerade SFC Semi Final
Boireann v Loch An Oileain(N Cousins)
Sunday 5 30 Ballygalget
Democrat Media SHC Semi Final
Baille Crann v Port ab Pheire(HP Mc Cusker)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 08, 2008, 09:06:02 PM
Monday night
Div one
Rostrevor 0.14 Burren 0.8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 08, 2008, 10:13:41 PM
Monday 8th Sept
Div one table

P   W   D     L   Pts     SD   Teams
17   15   0     2   30     99   Mayobridge
17   12   1     4   25     77   Kilcoo
18   10   2     6   22     19   Rostrevor
17   10   0     7   20     -9   Clonduff
18     9   1     7   19      1   Burren
17     9   0     8   18     -7   Longstone
17     7   4     6   18   -13   Loughinisland
16     8   1     7   17     32   Castlewellan
17     5   2   10   12   -42   Saval
16     4   2   10   10   -42   Liatroim
17     3   1   13     7   -63   An Riocht
17     2   2   13     6   -52   Ballyholland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 08, 2008, 10:49:25 PM
rostrevor played quite well tonight burren were poor enough. burren had at least 5 of the startin 15 from the championship on the bench but rostrevor also had 4 r 5 regular starters not in the 15! reds seem to be takin advantage in the league of other teams focusin on the championship!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on September 09, 2008, 09:59:56 AM
Hurling championships this weekend. Clonduff face Ballela (from Div 1) in the Junior Final on Friday evening. Clonduff are a big strong team but rely too much on Murphy for scores. Ballela have a better balanced team and should have too much for them. I expect Ballela to win by 6-7 pts.

South Down play Ballygalget on Sunday in Kilclief and the odds are heavily stacked against them. The Ballela and Clonduff lads will be celebrating/drowning their sorrows after Friday. Conway and Rosie will be playing for Kilclief in the IFC on Saturday night and Aghaderg have a JFC game on Sunday. To top it all they appoint a Ballygalget ref!!!

I thought this year South Down could give it a real lash after the run in the NHL & Nicky Rachard but clearly the CCC don't want them playing on a level playing field. Galgets to win by 10.

The big game is on Sunday afternoon in Ballygalget (time to be confirmed). A young Cran team meet a very experienced Portaferry with Dule back and on form. If Ballycran are as hungary as they were last year they can win this, the question is are they? Ports form has dipped in recent weeks with some bad results in Antrim. Ballycran are running away with Div 2 but aren't really being tested. Hard to call and i wouldn't rule out a draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 09, 2008, 11:18:33 AM
Quote from: supersub on September 08, 2008, 10:49:25 PM
rostrevor played quite well tonight burren were poor enough. burren had at least 5 of the startin 15 from the championship on the bench but rostrevor also had 4 r 5 regular starters not in the 15! reds seem to be takin advantage in the league of other teams focusin on the championship!

Something to mention from the match last night.  Both teams were there stripped out and on the field, with a big crowd there to see the game.  No referee was in attendance however.  Luckily, Brendan Rice from Warrenpoint was there and he came down to the field.  he phoned the referess's co-ordinator who kindly informed him that the match was supposed to be off. 
Thanks for telling the teams that it was supposed to be off by the way.  Anyway, Brendan Rice said that he would be willing to referee it if both teams agreed.  Both teams said ok, and the game, thankfully, went ahead. 

As for the game, it was similar to the Loughinisland game last week in that Burren did not seem that interested in it.  They did have a weakened team but its still Burren against Rostrevor.  We took advantage and were 0-12 to 0-4 up with about 10 minutes left.  Burren fought back a bit but it still ended ended up  0-14 to 0-8.  It leaves us mathematically clear off any relegation chances and indeed well placed to go at the top 4 if we can get a good run in our last 4 games.  Burren i am sure will play much better this weekend and they are still well in the hunt themselves for the playoffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on September 09, 2008, 01:27:12 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on September 08, 2008, 03:50:38 PM
QuoteDarragh Cross v Kilclief; Darragh Cross was very impressed with these boys in their 1/4 final victory over a Shamrocks side full of county players , they seem have a few dangerous forwards and have a high work-rate. the introduction of the young lad Mageean back from America will help them if he can stay injury free

Eh Dulaney whats with the smile face in relation to Mageean and being injury free? If its Padraig you are referring to then someone suffering a cruciate injurys far from a laughing matter!
Sorry Whitehair, was more of a private joke, didn't mean to cause any offence, i know Padraig and i know the long list of injuries he's had. it'd be good to see him stay injury free for they've good chance for c/ship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on September 09, 2008, 02:22:13 PM
SFC
Saval v Mayobridge; Mayobridge but Saval to give it a really good go!
Loughinisland v Burren; Loughinisland after Burrens performance against rostrevor

IFC
Annaclone v Glasdrumman; Annaclone now that McArdle is back from america
Darragh Cross v Kilclief; Darragh Cross

JFC
Aghaderg v Bright; Aghaderg
St Johns v St Pauls; St Pauls by 5l
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 09, 2008, 02:50:38 PM
Latest ACFL Division 2 Table

Bryansford  18   34
Annaclone  18   22
Clann na Banna 15  22
Shamrocks  18   20
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Warrenpoint  15   20
Ballymartin  17  19
Darragh Cross  17   17
Attical  18   17
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Downpatrick  16  14
Tullylish   18  10
Kilclief   16   7
Dundrum   18   2

Outstanding Fixtures: Downpatrick v Warrenpoint + Kilcilef v Banbridge + Downpatrick v Banbridge + Kilclief v Warrenpoint + Banbridge v Warrenpoint + Ballymartin v Darragh Cross 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 09, 2008, 03:01:32 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 09, 2008, 02:50:38 PM
Latest ACFL Division 2 Table

Bryansford  18   34
Annaclone  18   22
Clann na Banna 15  22
Shamrocks  18   20
----------------------------------
Warrenpoint  15   20
Ballymartin  17  19
Darragh Cross  17   17
Attical  18   17
--------------------------------
Downpatrick  16  14
Tullylish   18  10
Kilclief   16   7
Dundrum   18   2

Outstanding Fixtures: Downpatrick v Warrenpoint + Kilcilef v Banbridge + Downpatrick v Banbridge + Kilclief v Warrenpoint + Banbridge v Warrenpoint + Ballymartin v Darragh Cross 
Looking at that table Kilclief may start winning or hope bryansford  go on a very bad losing spell. Although clann and point will have a big say in both the relegation and promotion playoff places.
how many matches are left in Div 2 ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 09, 2008, 03:04:53 PM
SFC

Mayobridge v Saval - Mayobridge all the way.
Burren v Loughinisland - Burren to edge it.

IFC

Annaclone v Glasdrumman - Annaclone to win this and then win it outright
Darragh Cross v Kilclief - Hard to call. Darragh Cross to make an historic first IFC Final appearance.

JFC

Aghaderg v Bright - Both these teams are so unpredictable. Who knows who Bright might pull out of the dark for this game. If they dont resurrect a few past players then Aghaderg should surely win.

St Pauls v St Johns - To be honest, I dont have a clue about this one. I dont want St Johns to win but I think they just might. Winner of this to win the whole thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 09, 2008, 04:10:58 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on September 09, 2008, 09:59:56 AM
Hurling championships this weekend. Clonduff face Ballela (from Div 1) in the Junior Final on Friday evening. Clonduff are a big strong team but rely too much on Murphy for scores. Ballela have a better balanced team and should have too much for them. I expect Ballela to win by 6-7 pts.

South Down play Ballygalget on Sunday in Kilclief and the odds are heavily stacked against them. The Ballela and Clonduff lads will be celebrating/drowning their sorrows after Friday. Conway and Rosie will be playing for Kilclief in the IFC on Saturday night and Aghaderg have a JFC game on Sunday. To top it all they appoint a Ballygalget ref!!!

I thought this year South Down could give it a real lash after the run in the NHL & Nicky Rachard but clearly the CCC don't want them playing on a level playing field. Galgets to win by 10.

The big game is on Sunday afternoon in Ballygalget (time to be confirmed). A young Cran team meet a very experienced Portaferry with Dule back and on form. If Ballycran are as hungary as they were last year they can win this, the question is are they? Ports form has dipped in recent weeks with some bad results in Antrim. Ballycran are running away with Div 2 but aren't really being tested. Hard to call and i wouldn't rule out a draw.

It certainly is a disgrace that south down aren't able to prepare properly for the game with a lot of football games interlaced over the weekend, we got a good trimming from Dunloy in our last outing so confidence will be low, the team needs to be settled in terms of tactics and personnel and currently neither are there. As for the jibe about the 'Ballygalget referee' that has cost a certain Portaferry mentor 8 weeks suspension plus he referee's for Downpatrick where he's lived for god knows how many years now and you could argue why a south down referee is in charge yet again. If a Portaferry or Ballycran man doesn't want to referee it then surely someone from outside the county should be appointed.

as for the other game the word on the street is that Murph has a broken hand and won't be available but I'd expect either Zelda or Eamon Adair to fill in. If Ballycran go with Brendan McGourty in there he might get some joy but he'll need a good supply and this is where the Crans might struggle. Milligan and Coleman are very solid and hard to get past, coupled with cougie and Andy Savage at midfield I'd be concerned that Brendan doesn't get starved of the ball and come roving out leaving little or no gola threat up front fro the Crans. As for the ports they'll be relying heavily on Dule yet again but Andy Bell can do a job on him if he forces Dule onto his right when he gets the ball. dule is far less effective on the right than his much favoured left. He might like his corner backs to step a few yards inside their men to close down the space for dule. Neither of Portaferry's corner men are going to do enough damage to beat you.
I haven't seen enough of Ballycran this year to know whether they've improved from last year or not and i'd say they don't really know themselves because they haven't been tested too much in the Antrim leagues. Whoever can get an early lead should go on and win, Portaferry get their dander up are hard to beat but they do fold quite quickly when things start to go wrong. Ballycran may need a good start to give themselves confidence.

Close game but I'll go for the Ports by the odd point in three which is nothing in hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 09, 2008, 05:29:28 PM
Very hard to call Ballycran/Portaferry. They haven't met in a year. Ballycran had a bad league last year but came good for the championship to surprise Ballygalget. There'll be no surprise factor this year. Portaferry were going well but have suffered a couple of bad defeats recently. It will be very tight & who ever wins it will be favorites for the McVeigh Cup.

Every year the South Down team are hamstrung by football fixtures and this year is no different. If they can get their best 15 fit & on the pitch they could give Ballygalget a good game. Unfortunately their participation in the SHC is seen by many clubs as a distraction and they rarely field a full strength team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 09, 2008, 06:42:06 PM
SFC
Saval v Mayobridge; Mayobridge
Loughinisland v Burren; Loughinisland

IFC
Annaclone v Glasdrumman; Annaclone
Darragh Cross v Kilclief; Kilclief

JFC
Aghaderg v Bright; Aghaderg
St John v St Pauls;  St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on September 09, 2008, 06:45:28 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 09, 2008, 04:10:58 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on September 09, 2008, 09:59:56 AM
Hurling championships this weekend. Clonduff face Ballela (from Div 1) in the Junior Final on Friday evening. Clonduff are a big strong team but rely too much on Murphy for scores. Ballela have a better balanced team and should have too much for them. I expect Ballela to win by 6-7 pts.

South Down play Ballygalget on Sunday in Kilclief and the odds are heavily stacked against them. The Ballela and Clonduff lads will be celebrating/drowning their sorrows after Friday. Conway and Rosie will be playing for Kilclief in the IFC on Saturday night and Aghaderg have a JFC game on Sunday. To top it all they appoint a Ballygalget ref!!!

I thought this year South Down could give it a real lash after the run in the NHL & Nicky Rachard but clearly the CCC don't want them playing on a level playing field. Galgets to win by 10.

The big game is on Sunday afternoon in Ballygalget (time to be confirmed). A young Cran team meet a very experienced Portaferry with Dule back and on form. If Ballycran are as hungary as they were last year they can win this, the question is are they? Ports form has dipped in recent weeks with some bad results in Antrim. Ballycran are running away with Div 2 but aren't really being tested. Hard to call and i wouldn't rule out a draw.

It certainly is a disgrace that south down aren't able to prepare properly for the game with a lot of football games interlaced over the weekend, we got a good trimming from Dunloy in our last outing so confidence will be low, the team needs to be settled in terms of tactics and personnel and currently neither are there. As for the jibe about the 'Ballygalget referee' that has cost a certain Portaferry mentor 8 weeks suspension plus he referee's for Downpatrick where he's lived for god knows how many years now and you could argue why a south down referee is in charge yet again. If a Portaferry or Ballycran man doesn't want to referee it then surely someone from outside the county should be appointed.

as for the other game the word on the street is that Murph has a broken hand and won't be available but I'd expect either Zelda or Eamon Adair to fill in. If Ballycran go with Brendan McGourty in there he might get some joy but he'll need a good supply and this is where the Crans might struggle. Milligan and Coleman are very solid and hard to get past, coupled with cougie and Andy Savage at midfield I'd be concerned that Brendan doesn't get starved of the ball and come roving out leaving little or no gola threat up front fro the Crans. As for the ports they'll be relying heavily on Dule yet again but Andy Bell can do a job on him if he forces Dule onto his right when he gets the ball. dule is far less effective on the right than his much favoured left. He might like his corner backs to step a few yards inside their men to close down the space for dule. Neither of Portaferry's corner men are going to do enough damage to beat you.
I haven't seen enough of Ballycran this year to know whether they've improved from last year or not and i'd say they don't really know themselves because they haven't been tested too much in the Antrim leagues. Whoever can get an early lead should go on and win, Portaferry get their dander up are hard to beat but they do fold quite quickly when things start to go wrong. Ballycran may need a good start to give themselves confidence.

Close game but I'll go for the Ports by the odd point in three which is nothing in hurling.
Who is the Downpatrick referee doing the hurling?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on September 09, 2008, 08:10:40 PM
QuoteWho is the Downpatrick referee doing the hurling?

The "Downpatrick" referee is Paul Braniff. He's actually with the Ballyknilar club now but originally from Ballygalget. This is his first ever senior match.

I hear there are moves by Ballygalget to bring him back into the fold since Mowglie refuses to do Antrim league games. Antrim have a rule that if you want to play in their league you must provide a referee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 09, 2008, 09:17:29 PM
I've seen Branniff a couple of time this season and I wouldn't trust him with an U12 game.  A really woeful ref but I still wish him a gudin on his big day for the sake of the match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU till i die on September 09, 2008, 11:03:55 PM
Paul Branniff does not referee for Downpatrick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on September 10, 2008, 12:47:51 AM
Like Carlsberg say, Downpatrick don't do hurling refs ( presently) but if they did.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 10, 2008, 09:21:31 AM
QuoteLatest ACFL Division 2 Table

Bryansford  18   34
Annaclone  18   22
Clann na Banna 15  22
Shamrocks  18   20
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Warrenpoint  15   20
Ballymartin  17  19
Darragh Cross  17   17
Attical  18   17
--------------------------------
Downpatrick  16  14
Tullylish   18  10
Kilclief   16   7
Dundrum   18   2

Outstanding Fixtures: Downpatrick v Warrenpoint + Kilcilef v Banbridge + Downpatrick v Banbridge + Kilclief v Warrenpoint + Banbridge v Warrenpoint + Ballymartin v Darragh Cross 

The way I read the relegation rule is that if Kilclief and Tullylish both don't reach the required 30% of Bryansford's total then whichever team is third from bottom stays up.  Is that right?  I am assuming that Dundrum are already gone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 10, 2008, 09:52:44 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 10, 2008, 09:21:31 AM
QuoteLatest ACFL Division 2 Table

Bryansford  18   34
Annaclone  18   22
Clann na Banna 15  22
Shamrocks  18   20
----------------------------------
Warrenpoint  15   20
Ballymartin  17  19
Darragh Cross  17   17
Attical  18   17
--------------------------------
Downpatrick  16  14
Tullylish   18  10
Kilclief   16   7
Dundrum   18   2

Outstanding Fixtures: Downpatrick v Warrenpoint + Kilcilef v Banbridge + Downpatrick v Banbridge + Kilclief v Warrenpoint + Banbridge v Warrenpoint + Ballymartin v Darragh Cross 

The way I read the relegation rule is that if Kilclief and Tullylish both don't reach the required 30% of Bryansford's total then whichever team is third from bottom stays up.  Is that right?  I am assuming that Dundrum are already gone?

taken from the County Competition Rules:

Any team in Divisions 1, 2 or 3 which fails to achieve 30% (rounded up to the nearest point) of the points of the top team in that Division following the conclusion of ordinary round league games will be relegated automatically.  If more than two teams fail to achieve 30% (rounded up to the nearest point) of the points of the top team in that Division, the lowest finishing two teams will be relegated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 10, 2008, 09:53:49 AM
any word on how relegation playoffs from div 3 is working or had the county board stil not released how its done? last thing needed is a feck up like last year!!  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 10, 2008, 10:19:42 AM
Quote from: general on September 10, 2008, 09:53:49 AM
any word on how relegation playoffs from div 3 is working or had the county board stil not released how its done? last thing needed is a feck up like last year!!  ???

exactly, again see below:

(b)   Relegation from Divisions 1, 2 and 3 will be determined on a round   robin basis involving the bottom four teams in each of these Divisions following completion of the ordinary round of leagues.  Two teams will be relegated each year.  An exception will apply in 2008 when three teams will be relegated from Division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 10, 2008, 10:36:34 AM
Quote from: RGU till i die on September 09, 2008, 11:03:55 PM
Paul Branniff does not referee for Downpatrick.

apologies to anyone from the RGU I may have insulted. I didn't realise my mistake would cause someone so much offence that they'd actually register for the first time to post.

I must have struck a raw nerve!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 10, 2008, 05:43:46 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 10, 2008, 10:36:34 AM
Quote from: RGU till i die on September 09, 2008, 11:03:55 PM
Paul Branniff does not referee for Downpatrick.

apologies to anyone from the RGU I may have insulted. I didn't realise my mistake would cause someone so much offence that they'd actually register for the first time to post.

I must have struck a raw nerve!

It's not fair focusing on the ref in senior championship matches. These games will be won or lost by the players. 

Im pretty sure Ballycran will turn Portaferry over. A young fit team with loads of confidence against a more experienced team on the way down. Dule is back but I still go for Crans to win by 4 points.

In the other match it's the same old problem for S Down - lack of proper preparation. Ballygalget will find it tough for first half but will get 30 minutes target practise in the second. Galgets to win by 20 (if they can keep 15 men on the field).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 10, 2008, 10:17:41 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 10, 2008, 09:21:31 AM
QuoteLatest ACFL Division 2 Table

Bryansford  18   34
Annaclone  18   22
Clann na Banna 15  22
Shamrocks  18   20
----------------------------------
Warrenpoint  15   20
Ballymartin  17  19
Darragh Cross  17   17
Attical  18   17
--------------------------------
Downpatrick  16  14
Tullylish   18  10
Kilclief   16   7
Dundrum   18   2

Outstanding Fixtures: Downpatrick v Warrenpoint + Kilcilef v Banbridge + Downpatrick v Banbridge + Kilclief v Warrenpoint + Banbridge v Warrenpoint + Ballymartin v Darragh Cross 

The way I read the relegation rule is that if Kilclief and Tullylish both don't reach the required 30% of Bryansford's total then whichever team is third from bottom stays up.  Is that right?  I am assuming that Dundrum are already gone?

You'd be right No1. Ye play Tullylish in your second last game and it'll be shit or bust for both teams.


SFC

Mayobridge v Saval - Mayobridge
Burren v Loughinisland - Burren

IFC

Annaclone v Glasdrumman - Annaclone
Darragh Cross v Kilclief -Darragh Cross

JFC

Aghaderg v Bright - Aghaderg
St Pauls v St Johns - St Johns
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 10, 2008, 10:37:17 PM
Sorry I should have added earlier - Ballela to win the Junior Hurling on Friday night. They were the best team in the competition and if they perform the way they can they will beat a limited Clonduff. Clonduff are a team of fit footballers who play a bit of hurling; with 2-3 hurlers. They will be found out on Friday.

Good to see Ballela going strong. A couple of years ago I thought they would go the way of Darragh Cross because of the small pick.

As for all this talk about them being in Div 1 and still playing Junior? In 7 or 8 years they never won a match in the IHC. They really are a junior team.

Fair play to them for sticking with Div 1 in the hope of improving their hurling but maybe Kilclief or Bredagh will want to be graded Junior next year? Both are below Ballela in the Div 1 League!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on September 10, 2008, 11:10:03 PM
Wed 10th Sept
Div 4  Dromara 3-07  Finn 2-05


SFC

Mayobridge v Saval - Mayobridge
Burren v Loughinisland - Burren

IFC

Annaclone v Glasdrumman - Annaclone
Darragh Cross v Kilclief -Darragh Cross

JFC

Aghaderg v Bright - Aghaderg
St Pauls v St Johns - St Johns ( having beaten Drumaness by 9 i believe St Johns will beat St Pauls by more)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on September 10, 2008, 11:58:23 PM
SFC

Mayobridge v Saval - Mayobridge
Burren v Loughinisland - Loughinisland

IFC

Annaclone v Glasdrumman - Annaclone
Darragh Cross v Kilclief - Darragh Cross

JFC

Aghaderg v Bright - Aghaderg
St Pauls v St Johns - St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 11, 2008, 11:15:13 AM
Quote from: Bacon on September 10, 2008, 10:37:17 PM

Fair play to them for sticking with Div 1 in the hope of improving their hurling but maybe Kilclief or Bredagh will want to be graded Junior next year? Both are below Ballela in the Div 1 League!

I can't see Bredagh asking to be re-graded Junior next year. Our aim is to play in both Intermediate & Junior with a seconds team. Give as many lads championship hurling as possible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 11, 2008, 11:29:38 AM
Any prices for the weekends matches? D4S?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on September 11, 2008, 11:54:31 AM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on September 11, 2008, 11:29:38 AM
Any prices for the weekends matches? D4S?
£5 for a single header £7 for double header!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 11, 2008, 11:55:46 AM
I think he meant prices as in betting odds!

Nothing yet will probably be tomorrow!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on September 11, 2008, 12:15:06 PM
Was only joking.Just couldn't activate the smileys
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on September 11, 2008, 12:38:21 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on September 11, 2008, 12:15:06 PM
Was only joking.Just couldn't activate the smileys

Course ya were lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on September 11, 2008, 01:30:40 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 10, 2008, 10:36:34 AM
Quote from: RGU till i die on September 09, 2008, 11:03:55 PM
Paul Branniff does not referee for Downpatrick.

apologies to anyone from the RGU I may have insulted. I didn't realise my mistake would cause someone so much offence that they'd actually register for the first time to post.

I must have struck a raw nerve!



Paul braniff has to be the worst ref in the world, never mind down. i just cant decide wether its total incompetance or something else entirely.  either way i hope it does not get in he way of what promises to be a good game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ballybredagh on September 11, 2008, 02:19:13 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 11, 2008, 11:15:13 AM
Quote from: Bacon on September 10, 2008, 10:37:17 PM

Fair play to them for sticking with Div 1 in the hope of improving their hurling but maybe Kilclief or Bredagh will want to be graded Junior next year? Both are below Ballela in the Div 1 League!

I can't see Bredagh asking to be re-graded Junior next year. Our aim is to play in both Intermediate & Junior with a seconds team. Give as many lads championship hurling as possible.


Never mind Bredagh being regraded to Junior hurling; we're after you lot in the Ards and will be competing with you at senior level in about 5 years, give or take a few.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 11, 2008, 03:30:29 PM
Dead on D4S.... Have text my mate from hughes but no reply yet, useless hoor!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 11, 2008, 04:01:02 PM
Heard on the grapevine Darragh are missing up to 5 regulars this weekend the shoreline boys could have a chance, 2 forwards one a left footed free taker,1midfielder and 1 defender and a defender an injury doubt add mcgourty looking at the hurling on sun just might be wide open
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 11, 2008, 04:52:24 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on September 11, 2008, 01:30:40 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 10, 2008, 10:36:34 AM
Quote from: RGU till i die on September 09, 2008, 11:03:55 PM
Paul Branniff does not referee for Downpatrick.

apologies to anyone from the RGU I may have insulted. I didn't realise my mistake would cause someone so much offence that they'd actually register for the first time to post.

I must have struck a raw nerve!



Paul braniff has to be the worst ref in the world, never mind down. i just cant decide wether its total incompetance or something else entirely.  either way i hope it does not get in he way of what promises to be a good game.

Oh,that's a turn up for the books-a bredagh man criticising the referee!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 11, 2008, 06:54:53 PM
ladbrokes

Mayobridge 1/5
Draw 9/1
Saval 4/1

Burren 4/9
Draw 15/2
Loughinisland 2/1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 11, 2008, 07:41:17 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 11, 2008, 04:52:24 PM

Oh,that's a turn up for the books-a bredagh man criticising the referee!!

in my experience bredagh are usualy hard done by referees
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trouble Ahead on September 11, 2008, 08:17:03 PM
I see that the Derry hurling Chships where Refereed by lads from Antrim, why not let them in to referee our games, as the lads we have seemed to be incapable of doing the nescessary job, magee has never recovered from his croker outing!! Declan its time to call it a day!

The county board should approach the Antrim lads, most of us know them anyway so why not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 11, 2008, 08:34:49 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on September 11, 2008, 06:54:53 PM
ladbrokes

Mayobridge 1/5
Draw 9/1
Saval 4/1

Burren 4/9
Draw 15/2
Loughinisland 2/1


Any handicap betting ONL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 11, 2008, 08:53:50 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 11, 2008, 08:34:49 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on September 11, 2008, 06:54:53 PM
ladbrokes

Mayobridge 1/5
Draw 9/1
Saval 4/1

Burren 4/9
Draw 15/2
Loughinisland 2/1



Any handicap betting ONL

Not at the min Tom but I will prob have some tomorrow... How many points youse gonna win by then!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 11, 2008, 08:56:24 PM
i am interseted in the Burren game ;) i will call into that tube on water street tiommorrow, he will take a bet on anything :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 11, 2008, 10:36:16 PM
Banbridge beat Downpatrick by a point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on September 11, 2008, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 11, 2008, 10:36:16 PM
Banbridge beat Downpatrick by a point
Was at that game. Downpatrick must have missed more scoring chances than Banbridge actually scored. Reckon they missed 2-10 at least.
Impressed by their new lights. Will be a great asset if used appropriately
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on September 12, 2008, 06:13:25 AM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on September 11, 2008, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 11, 2008, 10:36:16 PM
Banbridge beat Downpatrick by a point
Was at that game. Downpatrick must have missed more scoring chances than Banbridge actually scored. Reckon they missed 2-10 at least.
Impressed by their new lights. Will be a great asset if used appropriately

Truth be told Downpatrick kicked themselves out of it. They must have hit 10 wides in the second half, some of it down to good defending with defenders putting pressure on the kicking, some of it was just down to poor finishing.
We only played for 10 mins of the first half. Without a doubt our worst performance of the year

Floodlights were great, good playing surface too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 12, 2008, 12:12:31 PM
Hughes's Betting

2/7 Mayobridge  8/1   Saval   3/1
5/6     -5          7/1    +5      5/6

Total Goals
5/6  Under 2.5      Over 2.5   5/6


Reckon Saturday and Sundays games won't be up til 2moro!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 12, 2008, 12:14:38 PM
Quote from: D4S on September 12, 2008, 12:12:31 PM
Hughes's Betting

2/7 Mayobridge  8/1   Saval   3/1
5/6     -5          7/1    +5      5/6

Total Goals
5/6  Under 2.5      Over 2.5   5/6


Reckon Saturday and Sundays games won't be up til 2moro!

Yep Hugo doesnt want anyone stealing his odds so hes not putting them up til the actual day
Title: Re: SFC
Post by: official on September 12, 2008, 12:35:25 PM
MAyobridge v Saval : The Bridge
Burren v Loughinisland : Burren

Bridge must be hot favourites for this one and the title, where without a doubt they will take the scalp of Burren in the final. Loughinisland will not put up a fight as expected as they usually fade away at this time of year, there is really nothing to say anything is different this year. Eoin McCartan is back to his best and I am currently trying to get a price on him scoring at least two goals aganst the island. Eoin has scored something like 4 goals in his last three outings and will take some stopping.

Bridge for the Tiltle but Eoin Mccarten for player of the championship!

An Dun Abu!
Title: Re: SFC
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 12, 2008, 12:51:04 PM
Quote from: official on September 12, 2008, 12:35:25 PM
MAyobridge v Saval : The Bridge
Burren v Loughinisland : Burren

Bridge must be hot favourites for this one and the title, where without a doubt they will take the scalp of Burren in the final. Loughinisland will not put up a fight as expected as they usually fade away at this time of year, there is really nothing to say anything is different this year. Eoin McCartan is back to his best and I am currently trying to get a price on him scoring at least two goals aganst the island. Eoin has scored something like 4 goals in his last three outings and will take some stopping.

Bridge for the Tiltle but Eoin Mccarten for player of the championship!

An Dun Abu!

Dan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 12, 2008, 12:52:06 PM
Benny?
Title: Re: SFC
Post by: D4S on September 12, 2008, 01:01:06 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on September 12, 2008, 12:51:04 PM
Quote from: official on September 12, 2008, 12:35:25 PM
MAyobridge v Saval : The Bridge
Burren v Loughinisland : Burren

Bridge must be hot favourites for this one and the title, where without a doubt they will take the scalp of Burren in the final. Loughinisland will not put up a fight as expected as they usually fade away at this time of year, there is really nothing to say anything is different this year. Eoin McCartan is back to his best and I am currently trying to get a price on him scoring at least two goals aganst the island. Eoin has scored something like 4 goals in his last three outings and will take some stopping.

Bridge for the Tiltle but Eoin Mccarten for player of the championship!

An Dun Abu!

Dan?

...Gordon?
Title: Re: SFC
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 12, 2008, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: D4S on September 12, 2008, 01:01:06 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on September 12, 2008, 12:51:04 PM
Quote from: official on September 12, 2008, 12:35:25 PM
MAyobridge v Saval : The Bridge
Burren v Loughinisland : Burren

Bridge must be hot favourites for this one and the title, where without a doubt they will take the scalp of Burren in the final. Loughinisland will not put up a fight as expected as they usually fade away at this time of year, there is really nothing to say anything is different this year. Eoin McCartan is back to his best and I am currently trying to get a price on him scoring at least two goals aganst the island. Eoin has scored something like 4 goals in his last three outings and will take some stopping.

Bridge for the Tiltle but Eoin Mccarten for player of the championship!

An Dun Abu!

Dan?

...Gordon?

No I am asking is it dan mccartan!

He might have misspelt the surname on purpose....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 12, 2008, 01:08:38 PM
I knew u meant dan mccartan, i was giving my input too as dan gordon!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 12, 2008, 02:21:34 PM
QuoteHeard on the grapevine Darragh are missing up to 5 regulars this weekend the shoreline boys could have a chance, 2 forwards one a left footed free taker,1midfielder and 1 defender and a defender an injury doubt add mcgourty looking at the hurling on sun just might be wide open

That's unfortunate for Darragh.  Sure we'll just turn up anyway and maybe we won't get too embarrassed. 

OTL, I see a few of your boys are lining out for Strangford in the foreign game on Saturday, have yiz no game on Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 12, 2008, 03:20:54 PM
SFC

Mayobridge v Saval - Mayobridge
Burren v Loughinisland - Burren

IFC

Annaclone v Glasdrumman - Annaclone
Darragh Cross v Kilclief -Darragh Cross

JFC

Aghaderg v Bright - Aghaderg
St Pauls v St Johns - St Johns
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 12, 2008, 04:34:21 PM
SFC

Mayobridge v Saval - Mayobridge
Burren v Loughinisland - Burren

IFC

Annaclone v Glasdrumman - Annaclone
Darragh Cross v Kilclief -kilclief

JFC

Aghaderg v Bright - Aghaderg
St Pauls v St Johns - St Johns
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 12, 2008, 05:30:18 PM
Mayobridge and Burren.
Glasdrumman and Kilclief.
Ballyvarley and one of the Saints.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 12, 2008, 06:49:48 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 12, 2008, 05:30:18 PM
Mayobridge and Burren.
Glasdrumman and Kilclief.
Ballyvarley and one of the Saints.

dont sit on the fence with that one Lecale2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 12, 2008, 08:18:48 PM
Anyone got any results yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 12, 2008, 08:30:40 PM
bridge match only starting now at 8.30 i believe
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 12, 2008, 09:07:19 PM
Got text-draw half time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 12, 2008, 09:14:04 PM
I hear the pitch in newcastle is in a terrible state.Can anyone from Bryansford confirm this?If it is then surley there cant be one,never mind two games on it 2moro.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 12, 2008, 09:16:51 PM
6each half time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 12, 2008, 09:39:39 PM
Ballela too strong for Clonduff in the JHC Final. Final score Ballela 4-11 2-07 Clonduff.

If the Ballela lads behave they can give Ulster a rattle!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 12, 2008, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: Trouble Ahead on September 11, 2008, 08:17:03 PM
I see that the Derry hurling Chships where Refereed by lads from Antrim, why not let them in to referee our games, as the lads we have seemed to be incapable of doing the nescessary job, magee is an arrogant T**T that has never recovered from his croker outing!! Declan its time to call it a day!

The county board should approach the Antrim lads, most of us know them anyway so why not?

The South Down v Ballygalget game needs an outside ref but if just because of whos involved. If u use Antrim refs for the other games how will Down refs ever get experience? I could see Down refs throwing up the head and saying "well if Im not good enough to do the important matches bring in Antrim refs to do Warrenpoint v Clonduf in April"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on September 12, 2008, 09:56:17 PM
FINAL SCORE

Mayobridge 2-14
Saval 0-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 12, 2008, 10:19:26 PM
Musta been some second half for the bridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 12, 2008, 10:20:50 PM
Cheers Torgael
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 12, 2008, 11:07:47 PM
Bridge sailed through this one in the end! Shitty first half, bridge came out and destroyed them in the second. They just clicked into gear for ten mins, still not playin at full tilt, look out burren or loughisland when they do!! Saval prob thought going in at half time they had a good chance, just didnt turn out like that! Cathal Magee played well tonight, glad to see him out in the half forward line! Thought Brendan Rice was brutal, bit early to be giving him a semi final!
Well done to the bridge lads, EIGHT finals in a row, not bad! Thats three teams into the finals, hopefully the thirds will get through too after being reinstated over Bosco, it would be nice to have four teams in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on September 13, 2008, 05:24:12 PM
was at the bridge saval game friday.  bridge where 6-3 up and then danny hughes got 3 points to leave it 6 each at halftime.  ht prob came at the wrong time for saval as there tails where up. 1st ten in 2nd half was always going be crucial coulter showed his class scoring a point, then roasting his man and laying on a goal for ronan sexton it was game over at that stage.

ref was horrible i thought.

saval played 2 withdrawn half forwards and this meant that there was always 2 or 3 spare men sweeping infront of danny hughes who was getting joy off both gavin barry and brendan grant.

coulter was dangerous anytime he got the ball and thought cathal magee had a good game very hard to disposses when he gets it. 

think burren will put it up to the bridge if see off loughinisland.

the bridge need get a midfield if they make ulster they will fall short.good forward line decent defence but mf not good enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on September 13, 2008, 06:14:58 PM
the bridge need get a midfield if they make ulster they will fall short.good forward line decent defence but mf not good enough
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Thought Eoighn Woods had an awesome game last night, best i've seen in a while from the big man. Think Caldwell is a better option than Lively. Don't know what Lively's role is in the Bridge team?? He doesn't field or contribute with scores where as caldwell has done both in the past and in ulster also.

For Saval though, i felt they'd 6-7 good minutes at the end of 1st half when danny was unstoppable. Johnny Hughes and Paddy Donnelly performed worst for Saval. Johnny was on the ball loads but slowed everything down instead of using his pace to brush past ppl. he came back on himself all the time and ran into trouble time after time. I just don't know how Paddy Donnelly stayed on the field for so long.

Stevey Kearney didnt get going at all, too many times he decided not to take shane ohare on when he was well fit to with his strngth and speed.

Best players on the night were:


Seamy Grant
Eoin Woods
Ronan Sexton
Benny
Noel Sexton

Danny
Darren Cunningham
Ronan Digney

An Rioct Beat Ballyholland by 3 points in a poor enough game. Harps went a goal up after a minute from R. Murtagh and then threw it away with 15mins remaining. James Colgan and John Clarke were excellcent. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 13, 2008, 07:53:06 PM
IFC Semi-Finals
Darragh Cross 2-9 Kilclief 1-9
Annaclone 1-10 Glasdrumman 2-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 13, 2008, 09:01:08 PM
Annaclone, as hot favourites for the IFC, were fairly ordinary against Glasdrumman tonight in a game which could easily have gone to a replay. Gary McArdle was the main man, with strength and pace at midfield, and might well be worth another run in the Down defence, while John Haughey at wing half back was also excellent. However, the Clone forwards were a pedestrian bunch, and hit numerous wides from relatively easy positions. If they had not got a goal largely out of the blue early in the second half, they would have been in big trouble towards the end.

Glasdrumman kept plugging away, mostly through Cormac Murphy who got 2-4 of their 2-5 total, and Ryan Doran, who was in the Down minor squad and looked a quality defender. Their other county minor, Connaire Harrison, had an off-day, apart from one monster free in the second half. Glasdrumman were a point behind in injury time, and missed a great chance as well as giving up possession when they had men free. Clone then got a fine point from a free with practically the last kick, but Darragh Cross cannot be ruled out in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on September 14, 2008, 08:10:22 AM
if bugleboy thinks that lively does nothing in midfield foer the bridge i would suggest that he watch the match again,  he was prob bridge best player along with b rodgers and conor garvey.  seamy grant will concede himself that  he had his worst game in a long time.   wat match were you at???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on September 14, 2008, 11:28:55 AM
bridgegeal, if that's a good game for lively i'd hate to see his worst!! Seen him few times during year and i thought klittle of his performances. Seamy wasn't bad by any means, Feargal mcconville was kept out of game completely so how can you say he had a bad game?? conor garvey was excellent as was brendan rodgers! maybe kickouts don't suit micheal lively???lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 14, 2008, 11:55:51 AM
Have to  back up bridgegael here bugle, Lively wasn't brilliant but he def was not worst on the field! As for Woodsie, had a brutal first half but alot better in the second and Seamy Grant had a stinker! Seriously what game were you watching, glad your not our manager!!
You obviously dont get to see too many bridge games, Caldwell has had a poor year & Lively has been one of our best performers!
And you say Johnny Hughes was bad, he was the main threat to the bridge in the first half, so much the bridge manager moved Grant right out deeper to mark him, so they must have thought he contributed something!  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 14, 2008, 11:57:44 AM
Oh aye Seamy was marking Stephen Sands by the way, Maybe you need glasses! Garvey marked Fergal!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 14, 2008, 04:16:22 PM
Saint Johns beat Saint Pauls handy enough in a very poor game at Darragh Cross. Must say was disappointed at the Saint Pauls performance, expected a better showing from them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 14, 2008, 05:12:29 PM
No word on the row at the ballyholland kingdom match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 14, 2008, 06:39:02 PM
did Saul beat Drumgath?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on September 14, 2008, 06:57:35 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 14, 2008, 06:39:02 PM
did Saul beat Drumgath?



SB - yes, 4-8 to 3-7 - a good performance from the boys today to turn a half-time deficit into a well deserved 4 point win. This must go a long way to settling on the top-4 places I'd think and maybe ease some of our fears at the other end of the table
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 14, 2008, 07:02:45 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on September 14, 2008, 06:57:35 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 14, 2008, 06:39:02 PM
did Saul beat Drumgath?



SB - yes, 4-8 to 3-7 - a good performance from the boys today to turn a half-time deficit into a well deserved 4 point win. This must go a long way to settling on the top-4 places I'd think and maybe ease some of our fears at the other end of the table

I think you are correct sabhallphadraig, they were comming up the rails so to speak and were playing some good football, table now


Team Played Won Drew Lost Points
  An Ghlasdromainn  20  15  2  3  32 
  Ard Ghlais  20  15  1  4  31 
  Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh  20  14  1  5  29 
  Breadach  19  13  2  4  28 
  Droim Gath  20  10  3  7  23 
  Droim an Easa  21  9  4  8  22 
  Naomh Pól  19  7  3  9  17 
  Sabhall Padraig  19  8  0  11  16 
  Gleann  19  5  5  9  15 
  Naomh Michil  21  5  4  12  14 
  Tí Chonnachta  20  5  2  13  12 
  Naomh Eoin Bosco  19  4  1  14  9 
  Misteiligh an Iuir  19  3  2  14  8 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 14, 2008, 07:08:01 PM
any scores from the bright aghaderg match or the loughinisland game tonite?

anyone know were the intermediate final is to be played? The pitch in Newcastle wasn't good yesterday, it hadnt even been cut and the surface was awful
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 14, 2008, 07:12:08 PM
Been laid low with the flu or something since Thursday so I haven't seen any championship football.  I'm getting updates from the tonights game which are telling me its 3-2 to 0-6 to Loughinisland at half time.  A couple of the goals coming from blunders in the Burren defence.  Sounds like its going to be an interesting second half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on September 14, 2008, 07:12:47 PM
ignore
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 14, 2008, 07:42:03 PM
4 points in it to the Island can't be long left
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on September 14, 2008, 07:46:27 PM
Burren beat.  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 14, 2008, 07:50:39 PM
2 south down teams in the finals out of 6.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 14, 2008, 07:52:22 PM
Loughinisland 3-4 Burren 0-10 was the full time score I think.  Good win for the Island.  Another new county final opponent for the Bridge to worry about.  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 14, 2008, 08:03:10 PM
Quote2 south down teams in the finals out of 6.
A pointless and meaningless statistic.


Island might actually be better opponents to present at least something of a game for Mayobridge. Certainly they should exploit Mayobridge's weakest link - their midfield - to the full.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rolling stone on September 14, 2008, 08:05:48 PM
Any reports on the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on September 14, 2008, 08:06:26 PM
Any word on how the point and banbridge match went today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on September 14, 2008, 08:19:39 PM
SHC Result Portaferry 1-12 0-13 Ballycran. That's that for another year. Portaferry will be favorites to beat Ballygalget who, as expected, had no difficulty seeing off South Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: theskull1 on September 14, 2008, 08:22:36 PM
Ballycran believing their own hype colonel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on September 14, 2008, 08:34:17 PM
What happened in Ballyholland today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 14, 2008, 08:38:57 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on September 14, 2008, 08:22:36 PM
Ballycran believing their own hype colonel?

Poor enough game with few scores from open play. The better team won but Ballycran have youth on their side and will be back. As for the final? Too close to call IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 14, 2008, 08:54:49 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 14, 2008, 04:16:22 PM
Saint Johns beat Saint Pauls handy enough in a very poor game at Darragh Cross. Must say was disappointed at the Saint Pauls performance, expected a better showing from them.

The game was tight enough, St John's got a goal at the start and a goal at the very end of the match after a St Paul's player was sent off.  St Paul's could never get back level and it finished 2-5 to 0-7 I think.  St Paul's had a stone wall penalty turned down as well where the ref played the advantage possibly, it was a strange decision.  The Darragh pitch was like a ploughed field, everyone was slipping everywhere and it was really heavy going, it didn't help the football.  I think at this time of year where possible it might be better if championship matches where played on pitches like Ballykinlars, which are on sandy ground and the water drains away much better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on September 14, 2008, 08:59:37 PM
Quote from: cloneman on September 14, 2008, 08:06:26 PM
Any word on how the point and banbridge match went today?

Point won handy enough, we were terrible again (worst 2 performances of the season this week). Missed 4 14 yards frees!!!! ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down_head on September 14, 2008, 09:04:26 PM
burren were beat tonight was a very bad game of football!! played on good conditions so that performance was oncall for!! bridge will walk the champ final!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 15, 2008, 12:29:38 AM
Semi final's predictions league

4   downfanatic
4   eyeswideopen
4   General
4   Maiden 1
4   Minus15
4   Niall Quinn
4   off the laces
4   Passedit
4   Square Ball
4   SQUAREBALL
4   Statto-gael
4   Umpire
3   Amallon
3   Behind the wire
3   BRIDGE LAD
3   D45
3   Dulaney
3   dundrumite
2   Aristotle Flynn


Overall leaders in prediction league

27   downfanatic
27   Niall Quinn
25   off the laces
24   Umpire
23   Amallon
23   D45
23   dundrumite
22   General
20   Islandboy
20   Bridgegael
20   Minus15
19   Square Ball
18   thewobbler
17   Brick Tamlin
13   Centre 3/4
12   NO 1
11   BRIDGE LAD
10   Maiden 1
8   Aristotle Flynn
8   Passedit
8   Statto-gael
7   Blue Island
5   Stiff Breeze
4   SQUAREBALL
4   eyeswideopen
3   Behind the wire
3   Dulaney
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: official on September 15, 2008, 02:55:28 AM
Have to agree, Bridge will coast it!  Burren blew it. Bridge must now start preparing for how they will perform better in Ulster. Bridge need to sett their stall out for the Ulster Championship  and how they can adapt there game to cope with the step up in level from the Down Championship.

Should be somewhat different final but the bridge have all the ace cards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on September 15, 2008, 03:16:25 AM
Dont be counting your Chickens, the Blues could make you Blue
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 15, 2008, 09:18:41 AM
official--- what game were you at? burren blew it? have you not school tomorrow? the best team won , no doubt about it. game should have been over but for two saves from the burren keeper. the conditions were poor throughout so playing football was going to be difficult. our first final since 1989, we will be underdogs but we will give the bridge a game of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 15, 2008, 09:20:17 AM
that defensive performance from burren was one of the worst id ever seen at senior level. big magic johnson proved to be a real handful (even though he apparently had to have his eye stitched following the hurling match earlier in the day).

wasnt a very good game but at least its nice to see someone else getting to the final, hopefully it will be a good game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 15, 2008, 09:40:00 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 14, 2008, 08:38:57 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on September 14, 2008, 08:22:36 PM
Ballycran believing their own hype colonel?

Poor enough game with few scores from open play. The better team won but Ballycran have youth on their side and will be back. As for the final? Too close to call IMO.

It was a poor game that didn't really get going and I know HP was getting abuse for not letting it go but in some instances he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. I was disappointed that a few fairly decent shoulder charges were blown up and HP was fairly picky in this instance but he always was since I've known him. He did seem to miss some very obvious incidents with Gazza tripping Karl then blowing Karl up for over carrying, then Masterson picked the ball clean off the ground. I know the Ports around me were wanting a penalty for a tackle by Simon on Dule but a few seconds earlier they were whining about not letting it go when Dule was bearing down on goal.

As for the game I think the Crans made a few positional mistakes but some may of been forced upon them, I don't know. Big Deccy should have been between the sticks for his puck outs alone. Young mastersons were struggling to get to midfield and not reaching Mcgourty and Gazza in the first half. I wouldn't have put McGourty on the Ports best spoiling defender in Barry Coleman as he did just that. I can't understand either why Andy Bell was playing up the field as he's a fairly decent track record on Dule and barring a few forrays in the first few minutes didn't do an awful lot. With Zelda in at fullback for the Ports, he was for the taking, I'd of plumped Gazza in on top of him on the edge of the 6 yard area and given instructions to pump the ball in early and high. The Ports will be hoping the next two weeks are enough to get murph back as they were dodgy in there for long periods. The Crans problem being that they were getting cleaned out by the Portaferry midfield and half backs and couldn't get enough ball in there. They had a bit of joy at the start  of both halves as they used a good bit of ground hurling to turn the Ports half backs who've lost a bit of pace but they stopped doing that for some reason. I was disappointed with Stiffler as there's more hurling in him than he showed yesterday, maybe the easy wins in Div2 have slowed some of these lads progress as some didn't show the touch and pace they had last year. Gazza was done two years ago, its time for him to hang up the boots but Gazza would need to be shot to stop him togging out, its just the way he is.

The ports made a strange decison to start BA in the corner where he was very ineffectual as his game isn't about scoring, it's about getting possession and making passes for others and he's good at it. once they moved him out to the half forwards the ports forwards started to click as he was able to put the ball in space for dule who had a decent game but his theatrics are a side of his game which is pathetic to say the least, even the very picky HP on one instance waved him to get up after the slightest of touches. He really doesn't need to be at that shite. Even Eamon Adair had to think about going down when Gary Gordon took a swipe at him, Gary rightly got the line but Eamon didn't need to lie down.

With BA on board and McGarry on the wing the Ports will be favourites as Ballygalget found little out yesterday against the juniors. I'd say Gerard Monan will need to work out how to stop BA as he's the main orchestrator in chief for the ports. After that I think Magic can cause damage if given a roving role where he'd be harder to man mark or double up on, plus I think Ballygalget's supporting cast of forwards offer more threat than Portaferry's but some of them need to get their finger out. Dingy is as sharp as he's been in a while, the Clarkes and Spike need to start troubling the score board operator a bit more from open play that they have been.
Hopefully Magic's head won't be fully of sweety mice after getting to the football final as well yesterday!!!

We'll have to wait and see..

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 15, 2008, 09:42:04 AM
It will be one game at a time for the Bridge management, I can't see them looking passed the final and they will give Loughinisland the respect they deserve and try and get their homework done on them.

One thing that always concerns me when the Bridge play Loughinisland is the clash of colours even in the stands it is a little tough to differentiate the jerseys.  Its not a big deal for your average league game but this next game will be a little bit different.  Anyone else think the same?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 15, 2008, 09:49:57 AM
i understand there will be a toss of a coin to see who wears the away jersey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 15, 2008, 10:03:30 AM
do both teams have away jerseys  :D

well done to the island for gettin to the final, fair play! yet another opportunity missed for us after losing in the first round to them! i'd say they'l put it up to the bridge  even more than the stone did in the first game last year! good tight unit this l'island team with a few real stars.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 15, 2008, 10:14:29 AM
Seems like the fair thing to do IslandBoy.  I don't think the Bridge have such a thing as an away strip and can't see either club being too willing to have to pay out £500 for once off set of jerseys.  Maybe whoever looses the toss would play in the a set of county jerseys?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 15, 2008, 10:21:30 AM
or it could also be used as an excuse for one of the teams to get a new set of jerseys with county final 2008 etc on them as a memoir! :D im sure they could get sponsorship. only a thought though, i was thinking about the county jersey scenario as well there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 15, 2008, 10:25:31 AM
cant believe the bridge dont have an away set of jerseys, harps have 3 sets, green, yellow and navy. and we're a lowly wee second division team! ;)

ps can anyone post the latest div 1 league table plz? not good reading for ballyholland, looks like the ignominy of auto relegation without playoffs!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 15, 2008, 10:39:37 AM
The Bridge have plenty of sets of jerseys but they are always a variation of the same theme.  I think the Bridge do normally get a new set of jerseys for the final but I would imagine the club would want them to get more than one wear out of them.  BridgeGael will know the exact story.

GoldenYears - Did Paul Murphy pick up a bad injury at the weekend? 
Title: IFC
Post by: No1 on September 15, 2008, 11:13:52 AM
QuoteIFC Semi-Finals
Darragh Cross 2-9 Kilclief 1-9

Congrats to Darragh Cross, even without 3 or 4 regulars they were fitter, stronger, faster and far hungrier than us. 

The scoreline flatters us, don't know where we will go from here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 15, 2008, 11:14:14 AM
Quote from: amallon on September 15, 2008, 10:39:37 AM
The Bridge have plenty of sets of jerseys but they are always a variation of the same theme.  I think the Bridge do normally get a new set of jerseys for the final but I would imagine the club would want them to get more than one wear out of them.  BridgeGael will know the exact story.

GoldenYears - Did Paul Murphy pick up a bad injury at the weekend? 

Bad enough to have him carried off the field in serious pain.  But not bad enough to see him clear a 4 foot fence, run through the stand in a pair of football boots and get involved with a supporter  ???
Title: Re: IFC
Post by: off the laces on September 15, 2008, 11:28:27 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 15, 2008, 11:13:52 AM
QuoteIFC Semi-Finals
Darragh Cross 2-9 Kilclief 1-9

Congrats to Darragh Cross, even without 3 or 4 regulars they were fitter, stronger, faster and far hungrier than us. 

The scoreline flatters us, don't know where we will go from here.
unless you get your finger out division THREE  ;D ;D
we did have a game yesterday but boys playing ground ball does not worry us, but playing for strangford would worry anyone name and shame them No1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 15, 2008, 11:28:50 AM
Sundays two intermediate semifinals were strange games.Darragh Cross and Annaclone seemed to be just doing what they needed to do.Neither killed off the opposition even though it seemed like they would.Darragh seemed to get scores only when they needed them,Annaclone probably thought they ended their game when 7 up in the second half.
I fancy Kilclief to stay up in Division 2 this year.They have Dundrum next and they also have Tullylish to play so its up to themselves.Think they are harder to beat than Tullylish.Fancy Glassdrumman to come up as winners from the 3rd,dunno who will accompany them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 15, 2008, 11:35:14 AM

I fancy Kilclief to stay up in Division 2 this year.They have Dundrum next and they also have Tullylish to play so its up to themselves.Think they are harder to beat than Tullylish.Fancy Glassdrumman to come up as winners from the 3rd,dunno who will accompany them.[/quote]
If Kilclief play football they possibly will stay up but if they go out and try to kick teams off the park they will end up like ardglass a bunch off nearly men.
Glassdrumman up along with breadagh
Duns will be tough playing for a bit off pride and tullylish in laurencetown a tight heavy pitch are hard to beat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 15, 2008, 11:39:24 AM
Off The Laces if I was from Kilclief id be very offended if u were trying to compare them to Ardglass!!Both are neighbours but seem to have a very different attitude and outlook.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on September 15, 2008, 11:45:46 AM
Any word yet on when and where the Sfc, Ifc & Jfc finals will be played?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 15, 2008, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Super Dupe on September 15, 2008, 11:14:14 AM
Quote from: amallon on September 15, 2008, 10:39:37 AM
The Bridge have plenty of sets of jerseys but they are always a variation of the same theme.  I think the Bridge do normally get a new set of jerseys for the final but I would imagine the club would want them to get more than one wear out of them.  BridgeGael will know the exact story.

GoldenYears - Did Paul Murphy pick up a bad injury at the weekend? 

Bad enough to have him carried off the field in serious pain.  But not bad enough to see him clear a 4 foot fence, run through the stand in a pair of football boots and get involved with a supporter  ???

Heard the same myself, heard a few other players were involved also? Any ballyholland supporters shed any light?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on September 15, 2008, 11:53:39 AM
Thats several incidents over the past few weeks reported here. Mayobridge match, SFC game at Pairc Esler and now the Ballyholland match.
Has any action been taken by or proposed by CCC.
If this was taking place at soccer grounds we would be shouting it from the roof tops
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 15, 2008, 12:06:38 PM
never heard anything more about bridge brawl, nothings been said amongst the rostrevor committee
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on September 15, 2008, 12:24:11 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 15, 2008, 11:35:14 AM

I fancy Kilclief to stay up in Division 2 this year.They have Dundrum next and they also have Tullylish to play so its up to themselves.Think they are harder to beat than Tullylish.Fancy Glassdrumman to come up as winners from the 3rd,dunno who will accompany them.
If Kilclief play football they possibly will stay up but if they go out and try to kick teams off the park they will end up like ardglass a bunch off nearly men.
Glassdrumman up along with breadagh
Duns will be tough playing for a bit off pride and tullylish in laurencetown a tight heavy pitch are hard to beat.
[/quote]

Tullylish 0-04 Bryansford 3-23, earlier scoreline from the season doesnt pay justice to this statement
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 15, 2008, 12:35:37 PM
Div one league games
An Riocht 2.14 Ballyholland 2.11
Castlewellan 1.13 Longstone 0.8

Does anyone know the result of Clonduff v Liatroim's game so i will put up the latest Div one league table
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on September 15, 2008, 01:17:29 PM
clonduff & liatroim was called off due to a hurling match or somthing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 15, 2008, 01:24:17 PM
Quote from: The Corporal on September 15, 2008, 12:24:11 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 15, 2008, 11:35:14 AM

I fancy Kilclief to stay up in Division 2 this year.They have Dundrum next and they also have Tullylish to play so its up to themselves.Think they are harder to beat than Tullylish.Fancy Glassdrumman to come up as winners from the 3rd,dunno who will accompany them.
If Kilclief play football they possibly will stay up but if they go out and try to kick teams off the park they will end up like ardglass a bunch off nearly men.
Glassdrumman up along with breadagh
Duns will be tough playing for a bit off pride and tullylish in laurencetown a tight heavy pitch are hard to beat.

Tullylish 0-04 Bryansford 3-23, earlier scoreline from the season doesnt pay justice to this statement
[/quote]
Well that would not stand up to my argument if i was talking about a top 5 team coming to play tullylish but as it is a team sitting just below them, and with survival of both teams in mind it is relevent here ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 15, 2008, 01:28:51 PM
Div one league table

P   W   D     L   Pts     SD   Teams
17   15   0     2   30     99   Mayobridge
17   12   1     4   25     77   Kilcoo
18   10   2     6   22     19   Rostrevor
17   10   0     7   20     -9   Clonduff
17     9   1     7   19     40   Castlewellan
18     9   1     7   19       1   Burren
18     9   0     9   18   -15   Longstone
17     7   4     6   18   -13   Loughinisland
17     5   2   10   12   -42   Saval
16     4   2   10   10   -42   Liatroim
18     4   1   13     9   -60   An Riocht
18     2   2   14     6   -55   Ballyholland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on September 15, 2008, 01:31:57 PM
Quote from: amallon on September 15, 2008, 09:42:04 AM
It will be one game at a time for the Bridge management, I can't see them looking passed the final and they will give Loughinisland the respect they deserve and try and get their homework done on them.



bullshit.  bridge take cockiness to a whole different level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 15, 2008, 01:37:56 PM
QuoteOff The Laces if I was from Kilclief id be very offended if u were trying to compare them to Ardglass!!Both are neighbours but seem to have a very different attitude and outlook.

Bitta, what do you expect from a pig, only a grunt?

OTL, the soccer was cancelled.  I wouldn't be naming names on here anyhow.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on September 15, 2008, 01:43:12 PM
Was very disappointed with the Burren performance at the marshes last nite, they only played football for about 15minutes in the first half when they hit 5 good points in a row to draw level before conceding a third terrible goal. it was a totally different performance from the one against Kilcoo in the replay. Eoin McCartan was nowhere to be seen and McGovern hit some bad wides from free kicks. Big 'magic' caused awful problems for the Burren defence, Dan McCartan never got to grips with him at all, was surprised to see loughinisland take him off though i assume he was suffering from cramp or some other injury niggle.
My man of the match though has to go to Alan Molloy without a shadow of a doubt, he was excellent for the blues all nite and swept up an awful lot of ball in the loughinisland defence and moved it forward effectively and also kept McKernan very quiet. Big Dan had a bit of a shocker, i think he gave away almost every ball he received in the 1st 20min and was blown-up for drop kicking a free. He performed a bit better in the 2nd half and caught a couple of good kick-outs.
Loughinisland's victory could be awarded more so to the very good performance of their defence as their forwards never looked threatening (except under the high ball) and quite often played very deep resulting in loughinisland having no one to hit when moving the ball out of defence. 4 points in a c/ship semifinal is a very poor return.
Loughinisland have to potential to cause Mayobridge a few scares and i hope they make a game of it in the final but i think the bridge have to much quality for the result to be in any serious doubt. Mayobridge's midfield is a weak link on paper but their defence won't gift the same slack goal opportunities as Burren did last nite and they definitely have the forwards to grab a few goals themselves if need be. At the minute i still don't think their is any real threat to Mayobridge in the Down c/ship, if there were i think it would prepare them better for the Ulster title which they long to achieve!!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 15, 2008, 01:58:40 PM
Quote from: miss mess on September 15, 2008, 01:31:57 PM
Quote from: amallon on September 15, 2008, 09:42:04 AM
It will be one game at a time for the Bridge management, I can't see them looking passed the final and they will give Loughinisland the respect they deserve and try and get their homework done on them.



bullshit.  bridge take cockiness to a whole different level.

:) :) :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 15, 2008, 02:15:50 PM
Dulaney- i got the impression burren thought they need only turn up last night and they would win. Although we only scored 7 times we missed at least three other goal chances. we went ahead then sat back an absorbed your pressure. you had one goal chance and that was in the last kick of the game. i hope mayobridge feel they only need to turn up.

A.Mallon - we have a black jersey we wore against yourselves last year so dont know what will happen. obviously both teams would like to wear there normal colours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 15, 2008, 02:30:25 PM
Any secretaries on here got the fixtures for club games this weekend??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on September 15, 2008, 02:44:10 PM
was reading on HS that RGu play Point under lights on Friday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on September 15, 2008, 03:22:18 PM
How did Gareth Johnston do for Loughinisland?

McGourty will now be available for Darragh Cross in the IFC final.  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 15, 2008, 03:28:46 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on September 15, 2008, 03:22:18 PM
How did Gareth Johnston do for Loughinisland?

McGourty will now be available for Darragh Cross in the IFC final.  >:(

Are the senior finals not scheduled for the same day?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 15, 2008, 03:36:02 PM
As far as I know the senior final will be Sunday week the 28th September according to the master fixture list, any confirmation on this though?
. 
If AI Final ends in a draw the tyrone v kerry replay will be the following sunday 5th October, so id imagine they probably will fix mayobridge loughinisland for the 28th.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 15, 2008, 04:31:17 PM
Quote from: D4S on September 15, 2008, 03:36:02 PM
As far as I know the senior final will be Sunday week the 28th September according to the master fixture list, any confirmation on this though?


I think the hurling is scheduled the same day so Magic will be a tired boy or have to split his big over two locations.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on September 15, 2008, 06:41:42 PM
islandboy- im not a Burren fan, i was merely noting as a neutral that Burren were very poor compared to the performance they displayed against Kilcoo, in actual fact i was glad to see yourselves win, it'll bring a bit of hype to the final as loughinisland havn't been there in 19yrs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 15, 2008, 10:29:07 PM
SFC
Mayobridge 2.14 Saval 0.7
Loughinisland 3.4 Burren 0.10

IFC
Annaclone 1.10 Glasdrumman 2.5
Darragh Cross 2.9 Kilclief 1.9

JFC
Bright 1.15 Aghaderg 3.6
St John's 2.5 St Paul's 0.7


Went to the JFC game between St Johns and St Pauls. The better team won. St Pauls kicked themselves out of it and didnt show enough to merit a win. Before the game I was led to believe that St Johns were going to be a force to reckon with. Im not so sure. They look a very ordinary Division 3 side at best but despite this they should account for Bright in the Final.
It looks like its going to be an intriguing SFC Final. I didnt expect the Island to win through but fair play to them. However, I just cant see past the Bridge. Supposedly their weak spot is midfield. The Island will probably look to dominate this sector. Yet, if Donnelly is any sort of manager he will have a plan to counteract this shortcoming and this should be enough to get the victory.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on September 15, 2008, 10:34:52 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 15, 2008, 04:31:17 PM
Quote from: D4S on September 15, 2008, 03:36:02 PM
As far as I know the senior final will be Sunday week the 28th September according to the master fixture list, any confirmation on this though?


I think the hurling is scheduled the same day so Magic will be a tired boy or have to split his big over two locations.

We were told last night the football is fixed for the 28th September. I also know the hurlers believed the hurling was to take place on the 5th October. I hope that remains the case, because Magic really made a huge difference against Burren and playing without him would be now unthinkable.

His athleticism has never been in doubt, but he has been moving slowly into the senior team this year and this was a conscious decision by the senior management. He has played quite a few reserve games and was featuring as a sub up until recently. He needed a bit of time to get used to the flight of a size five and also needed time to get his positional sense. Anybody who saw him play last night can now see the potentail he has and he was marking a very tough opponent in McCartan. It is far too early to say if he could do a job for the County, but it is no secret that Ross Carr has told him to learn the basics at club level before possibly considering him in the future.

He is still relatively young and improves every training session and anybody who knows him will tell you that not only is he very personable, enthusiastic but he is aways willing to learn. What is not widely known is that he has a sweet left foot for a hurler. He is close to being one of the best strikers of the ball at the club and can bang over points from distance with accuracy. Seems to come natural to the lucky bollix. 

Hope he plays as well in the final, because it is no secret that if we do not perform from number 1 -15 in the final we will get our asses tanned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 15, 2008, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 15, 2008, 10:29:07 PM
SFC
Mayobridge 2.14 Saval 0.7
Loughinisland 3.4 Burren 0.10

IFC
Annaclone 1.10 Glasdrumman 2.5
Darragh Cross 2.9 Kilclief 1.9

JFC
Bright 1.15 Aghaderg 3.6
St John's 2.5 St Paul's 0.7


Went to the JFC game between St Johns and St Pauls. The better team won. St Pauls kicked themselves out of it and didnt show enough to merit a win. Before the game I was led to believe that St Johns were going to be a force to reckon with. Im not so sure. They look a very ordinary Division 3 side at best but despite this they should account for Bright in the Final.
It looks like its going to be an intriguing SFC Final. I didnt expect the Island to win through but fair play to them. However, I just cant see past the Bridge. Supposedly their weak spot is midfield. The Island will probably look to dominate this sector. Yet, if Donnelly is any sort of manager he will have a plan to counteract this shortcoming and this should be enough to get the victory.

Wouldnt look too much into one performance DF. Surface was a big factor with the pitch cutting up quite badly.Taking two mid table division 3 teams with ease despite playing division 4 football speaks volumes for them. Could cause a lot of teams trouble in Division 3 next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whacker on September 16, 2008, 08:39:47 AM
Who is over Loughinisland this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 16, 2008, 10:08:54 AM
paul murf feared ankle ligament damage on the same ankle he had operated on last year, but it seems just a v bad sprain. fingers crossed, wont know the damage until swelling goes down. one thing's for sure, he is gone for the rest of this season.

re: jumping fences, some of the kingdom supporters wanna take a good look at themselves if verbal abuse of county players is what they like to get involved in! >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 16, 2008, 01:39:20 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 15, 2008, 03:28:46 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on September 15, 2008, 03:22:18 PM
How did Gareth Johnston do for Loughinisland?

McGourty will now be available for Darragh Cross in the IFC final.  >:(

Are the senior finals not scheduled for the same day?


As a neutral at the match. Magic, despite not looking like a footballer at all, caused havoc with every high ball that went in and was instrumental in all three goals although the third one is 99% down to the goalkeeper who had clean possession but became inflicted bu the Down disease of the hand-pass in front of your own goal.

While Molloy was clearly MOM, the L'island half back line was immense especially Joe Doran. L'island far superior to Burren in tactics while Burren failure to release James McGovern from CHF made him an easy mark. As for our county players, D Rooney held on to ball too much, Dan McCartan had nightmare & should have conceded 2 penalties, K McKernan  invisible, D Gordon had a shocker, Ciaran McGovern looked very unfit. Burren took off Cunningham who was one of their best players and I think Johnston was taken off as he had already played a hurling game earlier (in whwich he was injured!). L'island goalie very secure and excelled in kick outs. Both O'Reilly lads look useful and full of energy.
However I believe Burren are a team in the making and hey should stick to a local manager to get the best out of them.
Interesting game but clear to see that neither team would live with the likes of Crossmaglen so our championship is very much grade 2 at presenmt I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 16, 2008, 01:49:34 PM
Quote from: Dulaney on September 15, 2008, 06:41:42 PM
islandboy- im not a Burren fan, i was merely noting as a neutral that Burren were very poor compared to the performance they displayed against Kilcoo, in actual fact i was glad to see yourselves win, it'll bring a bit of hype to the final as loughinisland havn't been there in 19yrs.

But what you have to remember Dulaney is that Burren had an extra man for almost 50 mins!
I thought Burren contributed to their own downfall the other night and set themselves up for big fall.
Apparently a lot of them were already getting ready for the final against the Bridge.
I think they had 7 or 8 boys who just didnt show up on Sunday night Eoin & Dan McCartan included.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 16, 2008, 02:14:03 PM
The worst defensive performance i have seen from a Burren team in a long time.  Some of the mistakes were hard to believe.  I did not think that Burrens performance against Kilcoo was a true refelection of their form, nor do i believe they are as bad as they showed the other night. 
Loughinisland were the same as they have been all year.  Strong defensively if they get ahead of you.  Play with at least 10 defenders at all times.  This may cost them against the Bridge if they go behind but if they happen to get a good start then they could be in with a shout.

Magic played some good stuff.  He has good hands, but like a previous poster said he is not a great footballer.  He does not pretend to be one however and sticks totally to his strength which is in the air.  It was a bad move from Burrens management not to move someone on to him.  A player even like Sean Ward, who could have competed with Magic in the air would have fared a lot better than McCartan.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 16, 2008, 02:19:30 PM
 five in a row beckons for the sky blues - although loughinisland have the strength to be their closest challengers.
[/quote]

I dont do predictions that well but I thought the Loughinisland team have the strength down the middle to cause an upset after they dismantled the hoops on 30th August
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 16, 2008, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: Super Dupe on September 16, 2008, 02:14:03 PM

Magic played some good stuff.  He has good hands, but like a previous poster said he is not a great footballer.  He does not pretend to be one however and sticks totally to his strength which is in the air.  It was a bad move from Burrens management not to move someone on to him.  A player even like Sean Ward, who could have competed with Magic in the air would have fared a lot better than McCartan.



Agree with the Sean Ward issue-  a big physical player was needed to handle Magic whose own mobility (apart from one sweet turn & shot) looked questionable. Not the only tactical faailure by Burren - using James McGovern as a playmaker when he was bottled up by a tight defence and needed to be relesed to a free role further forward - getting totally sucke in to the L'island deep defensive play of the second half and moving the ball far too slowly in trying to unlock this - after Molloy dominated the first half in the "sweeper" role (surely the best display of this btactic thius year at any level - leaving him to carry on in the same vein when the thing to do was put a "spolier" on him to disrupt him. Putting him undeer pressuure would also have had the effect of chipping at the confidence he was giving to his backs. These are simple basic things and while Burren under-performed is so many other areas I still think the game could have been salvaged by them because L'island di not appear to have enogh scores - this was proven by the fact they registered only 2 points in the second half and despite the gift of 3 goals won only by 3 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 16, 2008, 02:53:44 PM
No fixtures in the paper for this week. Does anyone know what's on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 16, 2008, 03:00:06 PM
The tactics we used were successful against burrren and we won the game.think the bookies in downpatrick suffered badly as they had us at 2to1 against.  against the bridge we know we will have to play differently and play to the best of our ability but there is more to come from a lot of our players and we do have a chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on September 16, 2008, 03:31:05 PM
Friday 19th 8 00pm
ACFL Div 2
Downpatrick v Warrenpoint


Friday 19th 6 00
ACFL Div 3
Bredagh v Glassdrumman


Saturday 20th 5 00pm
ACFL Div 1
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
ACFL Div 2
Atticall v Darragh Cross
Dundrum v Kilclief
Annaclone v Tullylish
ACFL Div 3
Glenn v Ardglass


Thursday 18th Burren 8 00
RFC Semi Final
Caislean Ruairi v Droichead Mhaigh Eo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 16, 2008, 03:42:21 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on September 16, 2008, 03:31:05 PM
Friday 19th 8 00pm
ACFL Div 2
Downpatrick v Warrenpoint


Friday 19th 6 00
ACFL Div 3
Bredagh v Glassdrumman


Saturday 20th 5 00pm
ACFL Div 1
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
ACFL Div 2
Atticall v Darragh Cross
Dundrum v Kilclief
Annaclone v Tullylish
ACFL Div 3
Glenn v Ardglass


Thursday 18th Burren 8 00
RFC Semi Final
Caislean Ruairi v Droichead Mhaigh Eo


are these the only games scheduled for this weekend? presuming these are games that were postponed during the year at some stage!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 16, 2008, 06:17:25 PM
My take on the Burren tactics is that they got it all wrong and underestimated the Island.

For a guy getting paid a rumoured 30k Barton did nothing in terms of tactical changes to turn the game!
Dan McCartan was getting roasted as mentioned Sean Ward, Ciaran Doyle or Ciaran Byrne shouldve been put on Johnson.
Even Rooney (who was anonymous at midfield) couldve went in and bring someone like Ward to midfield.

James McGovern won a heap of ball and showed great pace but done very little in terms of contributing to Burrens fightback.
McKernan was AWOL and was a total waste at midfield, why was the fella put there?? As was Eoin McCartan and when your 3 best forwards arent getting you scores your in trouble.

I thought big Cunningham had a decent game and shouldnt have went off, especially when Burren were always gonna have to bombard the square the last 10mins.

For Loughinisland I agree olloy was immense, totally unspectacular and played the holding role to perfection.
Dan Gordon was very poor he caught two balls but very little else. Jamie O'Reilly had a very good game, brave going for the ball and caused Burren a lot of problems. But his younger brother Ben was very poor, I realise he's young but for me he didnt do anything.

Big Johnson had a good game at fullforward and done it simple he won his ball and laid it off (apart from one effort in first half) but I doubt hes county material, remember the last guy in his mould Packie Downey being blown up as the saviour of Down!
And finally the Loughinisland corner forward Mark Valentine (Sharky??) was very good and took game to Burren.

Cant see the Blues getting past the Bridge but all the best to them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on September 16, 2008, 09:06:06 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 16, 2008, 03:42:21 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on September 16, 2008, 03:31:05 PM
Friday 19th 8 00pm
ACFL Div 2
Downpatrick v Warrenpoint


Friday 19th 6 00
ACFL Div 3
Bredagh v Glassdrumman


Saturday 20th 5 00pm
ACFL Div 1
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
ACFL Div 2
Atticall v Darragh Cross
Dundrum v Kilclief
Annaclone v Tullylish
ACFL Div 3
Glenn v Ardglass


Thursday 18th Burren 8 00
RFC Semi Final
Caislean Ruairi v Droichead Mhaigh Eo


are these the only games scheduled for this weekend? presuming these are games that were postponed during the year at some stage!

Ours isn't a refixture, we're up-to-date so far. We were told there was to be a full fixture list this saturday and next saturday!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 16, 2008, 09:44:02 PM
Was just going through Mayobridge's very extensive collection of footage there on YouTube. Some excellent stuff.
Benny Coulter stood out like a sore thumb at underage. He was simply unreal from midfield in the videos I watched, especially the 1998 U-16 County Final v Liatroim.
There seemed to be three other very prominent players in Coulter's age group that impressed me. Im not 100% sure of names but I think they were John Goss, Niall Kennedy and Nigel O'Hare. All three looked very talented, especially Kennedy, who seemed to have a fierce pace.
What has happened them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 17, 2008, 12:38:23 AM
Loughinisland's past record in Down Senior football finals

1972; Downpatrick 2.5 Loughinisland 0.8
1973; Bryansford 0.16 Loughinisland 1.7
1974; Bryansford 3.5 Loughinisland 0.8
1975; Loughinisland 1.7 Rostrevor 0.9
1985; Burren 0.10 Loughinisland 0.5
1988; Burren 1.10 Loughinisland 0.7 (MOM John Killen)
1989; Loughinisland 1.12 Bryansford 0.7 (MOM John Trainor)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 17, 2008, 09:30:16 AM
It was Sean Goss you are thinking of Fanatic he took up Quad racing and hasn't played for the Bridge since the age of about 20, Nial Kennedy was a thirds footballer for about 7 years but never managed to progress to seconds other than for a rare game here and there.  He probably just came along at a bad time when the bridge had a glut of good footballers.  Nigel is the player/manager with our thirds, he doesn't play a whole lot anymore.  I hope Nigel doesn't mind me saying but he lacked a little bit of athleticism, he had all the other attributes to have been a good senior player for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 17, 2008, 10:06:20 AM
The Bridge's record since 1998 in county finals

1998 Mayobridge v Rostrevor Lost Don't know score
1999 Mayobridge 0-14 Burren 0-8
2001 Mayobridge 0-15 Castewellan 1-9
2002 Mayobridge 2-14 Rostrevor 0-9
2003 Bryansford 1-08 Mayobridge 0-09
2004 Mayobidge 4-12 Annaclone 0-8
2005 Mayobridge 0-13 Bryansford 0-7
2006 Mayobridge 1-10 Burren 0-4
2007 Mayobridge 0-16 Longstone 1-13
2007 Mayobridge 1-8  Longstone 0-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on September 17, 2008, 10:26:16 AM
I don't know if there has been a conclusion to the curiosity about the possibility of a change of jersey's for the senior final though my guess would be that both teams will be able to play in their normal kit without any need for a change. There was no need for a change of jerseys last year when Mayobridge played Dromore in the Ulster c/ship so I'd presume the down co. board will take the same line as the Ulster council and allow both teams to play in their normal colours!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 17, 2008, 11:32:26 AM
agree with point concerning barton, he has one all ireland - big deal- opposing him on sunday were gary mason(2 all irelands) and gerard colgen(1 i think but possiblt two).

umpire 1989 final we scored 3-9 . sorry for being fussy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 17, 2008, 12:06:07 PM
Bid anybody read Benny Tierneys piece today about Burren and the Pavalova? :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on September 17, 2008, 12:32:09 PM
is it a wonder down intercounty football is so poor; its senior club level is about as competitive as solitare!!!! and i thought tyrone was bad :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 17, 2008, 12:37:29 PM
Quote from: THE DADGA on September 17, 2008, 12:32:09 PM
is it a wonder down intercounty football is so poor; its senior club level is about as competitive as solitare!!!! and i thought tyrone was bad :D

and were you from dadga
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on September 17, 2008, 12:40:59 PM
Solitare played vegas style is a very demanding game ;D.  with magic about to turn out in both the senior football and senior championship finals, i was wondering who the last player would have been to do it? i thought blaney, but i'm not sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on September 17, 2008, 12:42:25 PM
Down, funny enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 17, 2008, 12:43:57 PM
what club????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 17, 2008, 12:45:36 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on September 17, 2008, 12:40:59 PM
Solitare played vegas style is a very demanding game ;D.  with magic about to turn out in both the senior football and senior championship finals, i was wondering who the last player would have been to do it? i thought blaney, but i'm not sure.

Don't think Carryduff ever got to a senior championship final!  If ever it would probably be someone playing for Kilclief in the 40s or whatver.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on September 17, 2008, 12:47:33 PM
So it would be a fairly big achievement? or at least impressive as it hasnt been done before?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on September 17, 2008, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 17, 2008, 12:43:57 PM
what club????


Clann na banna and ballyvarley
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 17, 2008, 12:53:08 PM
when your clubs start competing in their respective senoir championships maybe the county team will be a whole lot better!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on September 17, 2008, 12:55:19 PM
we can only hope
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 17, 2008, 01:06:48 PM
If the dual final thing has been done before, it was most likely by a Downpatrick player familiar with the ferry. Nobody springs to mind though.

Carryduff were formed in the seventies and have only had a handful of SFC games, so I'd say Blaney is out.

Anyone know if Seamrogai ever made a SFC final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 17, 2008, 01:25:10 PM
Interesting side note.  Jimmy Barry Murphy has won 5 AI club medals.  2 in hurling and 3 football playing for St Finbarrs in Cork.  As well as AI's in football and Hurling with Cork and 7 All Star awards (2 in football and 5 in hurling).  Magic has a bit to go to catch up on that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 17, 2008, 01:37:08 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2008, 01:06:48 PM
If the dual final thing has been done before, it was most likely by a Downpatrick player familiar with the ferry. Nobody springs to mind though.

Carryduff were formed in the seventies and have only had a handful of SFC games, so I'd say Blaney is out.

Anyone know if Seamrogai ever made a SFC final?

They're bound to have won it in the 60s with Tony Hadden and John Murphy etc playing.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 17, 2008, 01:46:33 PM
Ah, I meant an SHC final 5Sams. They won an SFC early 1960s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 17, 2008, 02:34:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2008, 01:46:33 PM
Ah, I meant an SHC final 5Sams. They won an SFC early 1960s.

http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/history/downgaahistory/e30.htm (http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/history/downgaahistory/e30.htm)

http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/history/downgaahistory/e29.htm (http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/history/downgaahistory/e29.htm)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 17, 2008, 02:36:37 PM
Faugh-a-Ballagh won both in 1903, 1907 and 1909.

Don't think there is any modern day equivalent.  Teams from the Ards peninsula have won all the senior hurling titles since the 60s and Downpatrick is the closest football team to the Ards to have won it.

Would Loughinisland have ever heard of Magic Johnson or Darragh Cross have signed Brendan McGourty if Ross hadn't have invited them into the Down football panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 17, 2008, 02:43:31 PM
QuoteDon't think Carryduff ever got to a senior championship final!  If ever it would probably be someone playing for Kilclief in the 40s or whatver.

Kilclief have never competed in the senior football final.  :'(

2 or 3 semi finals in the 70's but Loughinisland always seemed to stop us.

Mark Trainor of the RGU might be your best bet, pretty sure he has a SFC winners medal but I ain't sure if he even hurled senior for Portaferry, never mind won a SHC!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on September 17, 2008, 03:15:59 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on September 17, 2008, 02:36:37 PM
Faugh-a-Ballagh won both in 1903, 1907 and 1909.

Don't think there is any modern day equivalent.  Teams from the Ards peninsula have won all the senior hurling titles since the 60s and Downpatrick is the closest football team to the Ards to have won it.

Would Loughinisland have ever heard of Magic Johnson or Darragh Cross have signed Brendan McGourty if Ross hadn't have invited them into the Down football panel?

McGourty played underage for Darragh Cross.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 17, 2008, 03:18:03 PM
QuoteMark Trainor of the RGU might be your best bet, pretty sure he has a SFC winners medal but I ain't sure if he even hurled senior for Portaferry, never mind won a SHC!

Would he have played for the Down Minor footballers in 91? I remember looking through the first round programme a while back and seeing a fella from Portaferry playing for the minors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 17, 2008, 03:33:02 PM
Amallon

1998; Rostrevor 1.11 Mayobridge 0.11

Islandboy

I got 2 different scoreline re 1989 game

In 2003 Down senior final programme
1989. Loughinisland 1.12 Bryansford 0.7

In last year Down senior final programme
1989; Loughinisland 3.10 Bryansford 0.5
Brendan Mason must have been in unstoppable that day with Gary and Colin Mason playing as well, also remember John Killen at left corner back, really brilliant defender.

Thewobbler

Shamrocks won 1961 final beating Newry Mitchels by 1.11 to 2.6
Tony Hadden was playing  but not John Murphy as he was a minor in 1966.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 17, 2008, 04:10:40 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on September 17, 2008, 02:36:37 PM

Would Loughinisland have ever heard of Magic Johnson or Darragh Cross have signed Brendan McGourty if Ross hadn't have invited them into the Down football panel?

I believe Magic played minor for Kilclief.

I can't see how anyone could have played in the two senior finals in the same year in recent times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 17, 2008, 04:18:07 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on September 17, 2008, 03:15:59 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on September 17, 2008, 02:36:37 PM
Faugh-a-Ballagh won both in 1903, 1907 and 1909.

Don't think there is any modern day equivalent.  Teams from the Ards peninsula have won all the senior hurling titles since the 60s and Downpatrick is the closest football team to the Ards to have won it.

Would Loughinisland have ever heard of Magic Johnson or Darragh Cross have signed Brendan McGourty if Ross hadn't have invited them into the Down football panel?

McGourty played underage for Darragh Cross.

Yeah but if Ross hadn't invited him onto the county panel would Darragh have ever looked into getting him back to play for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 17, 2008, 04:22:15 PM
A Mallon i think your correct with the 3-10 not 3-9. we scored two goals in first half. collie mason and gary wre playing then and were superb. john killen actually played corner forward but year previous got mom at corner back. we had a good team in 80 's best remebered outside down for the 3 game saga with burren in 86. ten points up at half time but they came back. they won the all ireland the same year. what the view in the bridge about the final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 17, 2008, 04:27:16 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 17, 2008, 04:10:40 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on September 17, 2008, 02:36:37 PM

Would Loughinisland have ever heard of Magic Johnson or Darragh Cross have signed Brendan McGourty if Ross hadn't have invited them into the Down football panel?

I believe Magic played minor for Kilclief.

I can't see how anyone could have played in the two senior finals in the same year in recent times.
Magic played u-21 for saul and marked D gordan out off game as well as outcaught him a few years back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 17, 2008, 04:31:36 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 17, 2008, 02:43:31 PM
QuoteDon't think Carryduff ever got to a senior championship final!  If ever it would probably be someone playing for Kilclief in the 40s or whatver.

Kilclief have never competed in the senior football final.  :'(

2 or 3 semi finals in the 70's but Loughinisland always seemed to stop us.

Mark Trainor of the RGU might be your best bet, pretty sure he has a SFC winners medal but I ain't sure if he even hurled senior for Portaferry, never mind won a SHC!

I'd say Mark does have a senior hurling medal as well in his younger days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on September 17, 2008, 04:37:51 PM
Lads. what's this story about Pavalova being served at half time in the Burren dressing room - Benny Tierney is at it in today's Irish News - is he on the wind up ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 17, 2008, 04:38:53 PM
IslandBoy - Some in the Bridge are disappointed its not Burren in the final some are glad its Loughinisland instead.  Loosing to Loughinisland wouldn't be nearly as hard to take as loosing to Burren!  I'd be fairly confident that we will win the game as I don't think Loughinisland are as strong as the Longstone team we faced last year.  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 17, 2008, 04:47:43 PM
Quote from: islandboy on September 17, 2008, 04:22:15 PM
A Mallon i think your correct with the 3-10 not 3-9. we scored two goals in first half. collie mason and gary wre playing then and were superb. john killen actually played corner forward but year previous got mom at corner back. we had a good team in 80 's best remebered outside down for the 3 game saga with burren in 86. ten points up at half time but they came back. they won the all ireland the same year. what the view in the bridge about the final?
3.10 - 0.05 - we were brutal on the day
That was the day John Trainor came back to haunt Bryansford - he never played another game like it in his life! btw youse were at it back then as well!! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 17, 2008, 05:07:37 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 17, 2008, 04:27:16 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 17, 2008, 04:10:40 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on September 17, 2008, 02:36:37 PM

Would Loughinisland have ever heard of Magic Johnson or Darragh Cross have signed Brendan McGourty if Ross hadn't have invited them into the Down football panel?

I believe Magic played minor for Kilclief.

I can't see how anyone could have played in the two senior finals in the same year in recent times.
Magic played u-21 for saul and marked D gordan out off game as well as outcaught him a few years back.

Brendan McGourty also played U-21 for us about 2 years ago, when Kevin Blaney brought him on to our Senior panel!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 17, 2008, 05:22:53 PM
Quote from: amallon on September 17, 2008, 10:06:20 AM
The Bridge's record since 1998 in county finals

1998 Mayobridge v Rostrevor Lost Don't know score
1999 Mayobridge 0-14 Burren 0-8
2001 Mayobridge 0-15 Castewellan 1-9
2002 Mayobridge 2-14 Rostrevor 0-9
2003 Bryansford 1-08 Mayobridge 0-09
2004 Mayobidge 4-12 Annaclone 0-8
2005 Mayobridge 0-13 Bryansford 0-7
2006 Mayobridge 1-10 Burren 0-4
2007 Mayobridge 0-16 Longstone 1-13
2007 Mayobridge 1-8  Longstone 0-9


I must say this is some record for Mayobridge over the last 10 years.  9 out of 10 years in the final.  Looking at most of them they are pretty one sided finals also.  Apart from Longstone las year, nobody has come close since Bryansford won it in 2003.  Are we destined for a Crossmaglen type scenario in Down where the Bridge will just keep on winning now for 14/15 years? 
I know we like to think that the Bridge are pushed every year but looking at the scorelines above, is that really true?  In Armagh however, Cross have been winning minor titles regularly also whereas in Down, the last minor title the Bridge won was when Coulter et all did it.  Maybe that is the hope the rest of us cling onto.
They have definitely not been pushed this year and we can only hope that Loughinisland put up a good show.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 17, 2008, 05:37:30 PM
Quote from: Super Dupe on September 17, 2008, 05:22:53 PM
Quote from: amallon on September 17, 2008, 10:06:20 AM
The Bridge's record since 1998 in county finals

1998 Mayobridge v Rostrevor Lost Don't know score
1999 Mayobridge 0-14 Burren 0-8
2001 Mayobridge 0-15 Castewellan 1-9
2002 Mayobridge 2-14 Rostrevor 0-9
2003 Bryansford 1-08 Mayobridge 0-09
2004 Mayobidge 4-12 Annaclone 0-8
2005 Mayobridge 0-13 Bryansford 0-7
2006 Mayobridge 1-10 Burren 0-4
2007 Mayobridge 0-16 Longstone 1-13
2007 Mayobridge 1-8  Longstone 0-9


I must say this is some record for Mayobridge over the last 10 years.  9 out of 10 years in the final.  Looking at most of them they are pretty one sided finals also.  Apart from Longstone las year, nobody has come close since Bryansford won it in 2003.  Are we destined for a Crossmaglen type scenario in Down where the Bridge will just keep on winning now for 14/15 years? 
I know we like to think that the Bridge are pushed every year but looking at the scorelines above, is that really true?  In Armagh however, Cross have been winning minor titles regularly also whereas in Down, the last minor title the Bridge won was when Coulter et all did it.  Maybe that is the hope the rest of us cling onto.
They have definitely not been pushed this year and we can only hope that Loughinisland put up a good show.

Cross definately dont have a great minor success rate, we played in minor finals in 97,98,99,2000 winning two and losing two, we also got beat well by a great rostrevor side in 2003 or 2004??? but i would mantain that we would have as much if not more players from that side playing today!!!!!
minor success does not guarentee anything!!! look ar Rostrevor as a prime example!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 17, 2008, 09:26:08 PM
Or An Riocht.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 18, 2008, 10:17:49 AM
That was 04 Rostrevor beat us in the minor final. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on September 18, 2008, 10:38:10 AM
Tyrone are gunning for it on Sunday, but when is the last time the Senior and Minor double was done in Down???
Mayobridge are attempting it this year and also had a go at it 2004 but came up against a very good Rostrevor minor team (would have to agree with T O Hare though, the bridge still have a number of that '04 minor team with at least 5 being important figures in the c/ship over the last 3 years whereas were have all those boys from that great minor team gone for Rostrevor??)
Did Mayobridge do the double in 1999???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 18, 2008, 10:49:19 AM
Yes the did a treble in 99 winning the 2nds championship which was played before the senior final.  The minor final was played a few weeks later.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 18, 2008, 11:04:07 AM
Quote from: Dulaney on September 18, 2008, 10:38:10 AM
Tyrone are gunning for it on Sunday, but when is the last time the Senior and Minor double was done in Down???
Mayobridge are attempting it this year and also had a go at it 2004 but came up against a very good Rostrevor minor team (would have to agree with T O Hare though, the bridge still have a number of that '04 minor team with at least 5 being important figures in the c/ship over the last 3 years whereas were have all those boys from that great minor team gone for Rostrevor??)
Did Mayobridge do the double in 1999???

Rostrevor had 7 players on the 2005 all ireland championship winning panel!!

Eamon McConville, Gary Magee, Collie Murney, Conor Mackin - All played championship for Rostrevor this year

Gerard McCartan - playing with Burren

Paddy Mooney, Adrian Magee - Playing 2nds football

Other players of note from the 2004 or 2005 team would be

Sean Parr - playing with Rostrevor and asked onto Down panel this year i believe.
Conor Magee - playing midfield for Rostrevor seniors this year and a potential county player
Anthony Donnan - has just broken onto senior team this past 2 months

Going back another year to 2003, basically the same team as 2004 and 2005 but also had Adrian Mackin, played championship football for Rostrevor this year and Aidan Cousins - sub in championhip but played most of the league for the seniors.

As you can see from the above, we basically have brought through all the main players from those championship teams with the exception of 3 (1 of whom has transferred).  I am not sure how many players the Bridge have brought through but Rostrevors rate of bringing them through is higher than any team ever in our club.  Just because we have not won a championship does not mean they have not come through!!!   Would any of you re-assess your opinion based on the above names.  Do you think this is a good 'bring through' rate?

Regarding last years minor team.  Only Nicholas Mills has played any real number of games for the seniors this year, but i would expect Sean Mackin, miceal Mackin, Dermot Morgan, Declan and Damian Magee, Sean Magee and a number of others to push for places on seniors next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 18, 2008, 11:27:03 AM
QuoteAs you can see from the above, we basically have brought through all the main players from those championship teams with the exception of 3 (1 of whom has transferred).

Would they be two out of; Patrick Mc Greevy, Collie Clerkin & Ryan Watt? The 3 mentioned would be some of the most naturally gifted that were coming through on those teams IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on September 18, 2008, 01:48:00 PM
Who do Ballela play in Ulster Whitehair? Best of luck.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 18, 2008, 02:02:48 PM
Cheers Colonel, Naomh Colmcille from Tyrone in Preliminary round @ Down venue on the 28th, winner plays Armagh winner(Away) the following week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 18, 2008, 02:14:25 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on September 18, 2008, 11:27:03 AM
QuoteAs you can see from the above, we basically have brought through all the main players from those championship teams with the exception of 3 (1 of whom has transferred).

Would they be two out of; Patrick Mc Greevy, Collie Clerkin & Ryan Watt? The 3 mentioned would be some of the most naturally gifted that were coming through on those teams IMO.

Thought i had mentioned Collie Clerkin.  Currently our top scorer this year for the seniors.  He is doing well.

Watts broke his arm about 3 months ago and Patrick McGreevy only played about 2 years of football after getting a serious injury when he was 16.  He could have been a good one only for that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on September 18, 2008, 02:16:04 PM
Point taken Super dupe, my comment may have been a bit over zealous. i suppose what i should have said is that Rostrevor have difficulty developing their under age talent into senior players. yes they had 7 players on the minor team in 2005, yet they only had 1 as far as i know on the u-21 panel this year which is a shocking turn around. on the same token Mayobridge had 5 players on the minor team of 05 and 5 again on the u-21 panel of 2008, all of whom played some part in the u-21's run to the all-ireland semi-final.
Colm Murney didn't even start that minor final in 04 as far as i can recall yet he has come on leaps and bounds since whereas other players have fallen by the wayside.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on September 18, 2008, 02:30:49 PM
all this talk about minor sucess has got me thinking we (loughinisland) never have a team good enough at underage to challange for A medals cause we normally have about 5-8 very good players with the rest made up of poor/average footballers but them few good players always seem to make it to county level at some stage.

to any off the mayobridge people on here can you let me know how many of your team have represented the county?

1) gordon - nets for minors
2) carville- never made it
3)o'toole- minor and under 21
4) doran- never made it, but very good if only a little bigger
5)o'toole- played minor hurley, only coming into himself this year
6)doran- seniors a few years back
7)turley- minor 99
8)gordon- all grades of down plus ulster
9)molloy- 10 years with down
10)mccarthy- minors and under21
11)stranney- under 21
12)o'reilly- minors captain last year
13)valeintine- nevr made it
14)magic- import but good signing ;)
15)o'reilly- minor under 21

aswel as a few subs

brendan ward
gareth doran
willie russell
stevie molloy
niall mccarthty all these boys have represented county at some stage.


is it better to have very good players coming through each year or a good TEAM now and then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on September 18, 2008, 02:41:33 PM
islandchampions08 ;) ;D How is your Half-back Turley, did he break his Collar bone in the semi? Will he be fit to play any part in the final??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 18, 2008, 02:42:51 PM
Brendy Ward was about the county panel at the same time as Joe Doran.  I went to Coleraine with these two messers, good lads!

From the Bridge the following were involved with the county
Gavin Barry - Played a few National League games
Seamus Grant - All Ireland winning minor, U21 last year
Conor Garvey - All Ireland winning minor, U21 last year
Brendan Rodgers - Was on county panel a few years ago I think
Brendan Grant - Played with the county for 4 or 5 years, All Ireland winning minor
Eoghan Woods - Was a county minor and U21 back in the day
Brendan Coulter - County senior, All Ireland winning minor
Ronan Sexton - County senior, All Ireland winning minor
Michael Walsh - Was a county senior, might be again, All Ireland winning minor
Noel Sexton  - Played 1 seasons championship football for Down
Ryan Brady - County minor this year
Cathal Magee - All Ireland winning minor, U21 last year
John Caldwell - All Ireland winning minor although broken leg meant he only played against Tyrone, U21 last year
Kieran O'Hare - Was about the county seniors a few years back
Brendan Rooney - Down U21 last year out injured for the rest of the year




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on September 18, 2008, 02:46:12 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on September 18, 2008, 02:02:48 PM
Cheers Colonel, Naomh Colmcille from Tyrone in Preliminary round @ Down venue on the 28th, winner plays Armagh winner(Away) the following week.

Where are you playing your home games? Bredagh used our pitch last year. I take it you'll use Newry?

Camlough play St Malachy's, Portadown in the Armagh final this weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on September 18, 2008, 02:48:38 PM
Quote from: amallon on September 18, 2008, 02:42:51 PM
Brendy Ward was about the county panel at the same time as Joe Doran.  I went to Coleraine with these two messers, good lads!

From the Bridge the following were involved with the county
Gavin Barry - Played a few National League games
Seamus Grant - All Ireland winning minor, U21 last year
Conor Garvey - All Ireland winning minor, U21 last year
Brendan Rodgers - Was on county panel a few years ago I think
Brendan Grant - Played with the county for 4 or 5 years, All Ireland winning minor
Eoghan Woods - Was a county minor and U21 back in the day
Brendan Coulter - County senior, All Ireland winning minor
Ronan Sexton - County senior, All Ireland winning minor
Michael Walsh - Was a county senior, might be again, All Ireland winning minor
Noel Sexton  - Played 1 seasons championship football for Down
Ryan Brady - County minor this year
Cathal Magee - All Ireland winning minor, U21 last year
John Caldwell - All Ireland winning minor although broken leg meant he only played against Tyrone, U21 last year
Kieran O'Hare - Was about the county seniors a few years back
Brendan Rooney - Down U21 last year out injured for the rest of the year





Did he not play in the Championship as well ? Thought he played in Omagh a few yrs ago .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The GAA on September 18, 2008, 02:57:17 PM
Quote from: amallon on September 18, 2008, 02:42:51 PM
Brendy Ward was about the county panel at the same time as Joe Doran.  I went to Coleraine with these two messers, good lads!

From the Bridge the following were involved with the county
Gavin Barry - Played a few National League games
Seamus Grant - All Ireland winning minor, U21 last year
Conor Garvey - All Ireland winning minor, U21 last year
Brendan Rodgers - Was on county panel a few years ago I think
Brendan Grant - Played with the county for 4 or 5 years, All Ireland winning minor
Eoghan Woods - Was a county minor and U21 back in the day
Brendan Coulter - County senior, All Ireland winning minor
Ronan Sexton - County senior, All Ireland winning minor
Michael Walsh - Was a county senior, might be again, All Ireland winning minor
Noel Sexton  - Played 1 seasons championship football for Down
Ryan Brady - County minor this year
Cathal Magee - All Ireland winning minor, U21 last year
John Caldwell - All Ireland winning minor although broken leg meant he only played against Tyrone, U21 last year
Kieran O'Hare - Was about the county seniors a few years back
Brendan Rooney - Down U21 last year out injured for the rest of the year

Are you sure?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 18, 2008, 03:01:27 PM
Maybe Gavin Barry did play championship not 100% sure.  I'd be fairly sure on Woodsy being part of the county minors and U21 setup, I don't know if he played or not however. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on September 18, 2008, 03:09:25 PM
Quote from: Dulaney on September 18, 2008, 02:41:33 PM
islandchampions08 ;) ;D How is your Half-back Turley, did he break his Collar bone in the semi? Will he be fit to play any part in the final??

havnt a clue mate havnt heard much from the camp at the mo if i do hear i let ya know

wardy and joe sound as a pound the two of them buck egjits.

most of the mayob lads same age?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 18, 2008, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on September 18, 2008, 02:46:12 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on September 18, 2008, 02:02:48 PM
Cheers Colonel, Naomh Colmcille from Tyrone in Preliminary round @ Down venue on the 28th, winner plays Armagh winner(Away) the following week.

Where are you playing your home games? Bredagh used our pitch last year. I take it you'll use Newry?

Camlough play St Malachy's, Portadown in the Armagh final this weekend.

Not too sure of the venue as yet, County Football final is in Newry on the 28th is it not!?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 18, 2008, 03:35:57 PM
Was Loughinisland's star of the 89' Final John Trainor not originally a Bryansford man?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on September 18, 2008, 03:49:45 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on September 18, 2008, 02:46:12 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on September 18, 2008, 02:02:48 PM
Cheers Colonel, Naomh Colmcille from Tyrone in Preliminary round @ Down venue on the 28th, winner plays Armagh winner(Away) the following week.

Where are you playing your home games? Bredagh used our pitch last year. I take it you'll use Newry?

Camlough play St Malachy's, Portadown in the Armagh final this weekend.

We played that St.Malachys team last year, and to be honest they were robbed.  They are a big strong,very physical team but wouldnt be a team full of hurlers, 3 or 4 very good players. My cousin plays for camlough and ive seen them play, they arent bad, but i'd say portadown wud be too strong for them.  We also played that tyrone team un the ulster league, they are similar to portadown, fast and fit, very young team, but only have 1 or 2 very good players, the rest are basically runners.  Ballellas hurling, if they play to their potential should be too much for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on September 18, 2008, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on September 18, 2008, 03:49:45 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on September 18, 2008, 02:46:12 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on September 18, 2008, 02:02:48 PM
Cheers Colonel, Naomh Colmcille from Tyrone in Preliminary round @ Down venue on the 28th, winner plays Armagh winner(Away) the following week.

Where are you playing your home games? Bredagh used our pitch last year. I take it you'll use Newry?

Camlough play St Malachy's, Portadown in the Armagh final this weekend.

We played that St.Malachys team last year, and to be honest they were robbed.  They are a big strong,very physical team but wouldnt be a team full of hurlers, 3 or 4 very good players. My cousin plays for camlough and ive seen them play, they arent bad, but i'd say portadown wud be too strong for them.  We also played that tyrone team un the ulster league, they are similar to portadown, fast and fit, very young team, but only have 1 or 2 very good players, the rest are basically runners.  Ballellas hurling, if they play to their potential should be too much for them.







that means ballela will need to sort there corner backs out......to say the least!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 18, 2008, 04:32:51 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 17, 2008, 04:47:43 PM
Quote from: islandboy on September 17, 2008, 04:22:15 PM
A Mallon i think your correct with the 3-10 not 3-9. we scored two goals in first half. collie mason and gary wre playing then and were superb. john killen actually played corner forward but year previous got mom at corner back. we had a good team in 80 's best remebered outside down for the 3 game saga with burren in 86. ten points up at half time but they came back. they won the all ireland the same year. what the view in the bridge about the final?
3.10 - 0.05 - we were brutal on the day
That was the day John Trainor came back to haunt Bryansford - he never played another game like it in his life! btw youse were at it back then as well!! ;)
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 18, 2008, 03:35:57 PM
Was Loughinisland's star of the 89' Final John Trainor not originally a Bryansford man?

I covered that one earlier - he was an ex ford player and must have visited Lourdes before the final - he was awesome that day - as a transfer subject ' the tide wouldnt have taken him' ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 18, 2008, 04:34:54 PM
Anyone know when the Minor final is - we hope it is before the Senior Game as scheduled. We have seven boys leaving on the 1st October for university in Mainland UK, surely all minor football should be over before then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 18, 2008, 04:38:34 PM
Woodsy played midfield for Down minors in the 1994 season that ended up in an Ulster final massacre against Armagh. Testing my memory banks, but other players that year:

1. Martin Doyle (Burren)

2. Someone O'Hare (Kilcoo)
3. John Morgan (Clonduff)
4. One of the McCrickards (Liatroim)

5. Gavin Murphy (Shamrocks)
6. Sean Ward (Burren)
7. Simon Poland (Bryansford)

8. Patsy McShane (Clonduff)
9. Eoghan Woods (Mayobridge)

10. Aidan Quinn (Bosco)
11. David McConville (Glenn)
12. Shane Mulholland (Ballyholland)

13. Conor Daly (Rostrevor)
14. Brian Dougherty (Castlewellan)
15. Paul Cunningham (Ballymartin)

Chris Burden (Longstone), Cathal McConville (Mayobridge) and Eugene O'Hagan (Clonduff) also played parts, possibly even started a few games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 18, 2008, 04:43:12 PM
Ciaran OHare

You have some memory wobbler, was packie maggorian from Loughinisland there as well? Does he still play Blue island or has he quit?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 18, 2008, 04:44:55 PM
big john lived in loughinisland and transfered soon after. he was awesome that day and never quite reached the heights again.

wobbler- no 2 was ciaran o hare
same side played before the epic in celtic park in 94
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 18, 2008, 04:46:17 PM
paddy quit 5 years ago at the old age of 27 for a number of reasons- he was a sub with ciaran doran on that squad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 18, 2008, 05:26:28 PM
Quote from: Dulaney on September 18, 2008, 02:16:04 PM
Point taken Super dupe, my comment may have been a bit over zealous. i suppose what i should have said is that Rostrevor have difficulty developing their under age talent into senior players. yes they had 7 players on the minor team in 2005, yet they only had 1 as far as i know on the u-21 panel this year which is a shocking turn around. on the same token Mayobridge had 5 players on the minor team of 05 and 5 again on the u-21 panel of 2008, all of whom played some part in the u-21's run to the all-ireland semi-final.
Colm Murney didn't even start that minor final in 04 as far as i can recall yet he has come on leaps and bounds since whereas other players have fallen by the wayside.

Yeh agree with you Dulaney in the Under 21 issue.  Was not good but then again we cant speak for the under 21 selectors!!  Suppose we had 2 on the 21's out of the 7 if Gerard McCartan is included.

Still dont agree with you in terms of developing under age talent into senior players.  I have already mentioned about 9 players from those teams who play on our senior team at the moment.  People do have this preconception about Rostrevor, 'they dont bring their players through'.  We do.  But the fact is that Mayobridge with their class minor team of Coulter, Walsh etc are still the best senior team in the county and we have not been good enough to break their stranglehold.  Perhaps when the next wave come through to add to what is already there, then maybe we can push them a bit more.  Its not as if we're a bad side at the moment, prob one of the top 6 in the county anyway, we just arent top of the pile, and theres only room for one there.  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 18, 2008, 05:38:06 PM
Magic isnt ur only good signing Islandboy,McCarthy is ur best signing,Ward has been a good one,along with Turley.
Dont think Mayobridge have any transsfers in have they?
Only noticed Burren have quite a few signings in and so do Saval from tthe senior semi-finalists.
Y did G McCarten leave Rostrevor and go to Burren?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 18, 2008, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 18, 2008, 04:34:54 PM
Anyone know when the Minor final is - we hope it is before the Senior Game as scheduled. We have seven boys leaving on the 1st October for university in Mainland UK, surely all minor football should be over before then.

Saturday 27th September at Atticall

U-14 A Final Rostrevor v Carryduff at 1-00pm

U-14 B Final Ardglass v Newry Shamrocks at 11-00am



Saturday 27th September at Rgu Downpatrick

Minor B Final Carryduff V Longstone at 3-00pm



Sunday 12th October at Pairc Esler

Minor A Final Bryansford v Mayobridge at 2-00pm

looks as if you will have to bring them back spirit

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on September 18, 2008, 06:59:16 PM
Was just wondering what age is Share O Hare from Mayobridge? have been impressed with him the few games ive seen the bridge play this year? would he not be worth a look at for the county? cry out for backs in Down, bound to be a better option than trying to turn forwards in to defenders, murtagh and carr spring to mind!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 18, 2008, 07:27:16 PM
Does anyone know if the minor final between the bridge and Bryansford is part of a double header?Perhaps the IFC final becuase it is due to be played on the same day (12th of October)?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on September 18, 2008, 07:59:40 PM
Quote from: the milkman on September 18, 2008, 06:59:16 PM
Was just wondering what age is Share O Hare from Mayobridge? have been impressed with him the few games ive seen the bridge play this year? would he not be worth a look at for the county? cry out for backs in Down, bound to be a better option than trying to turn forwards in to defenders, murtagh and carr spring to mind!

Shane's 23 coming 24
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 18, 2008, 10:03:15 PM
Final round for prediction league

SFC Final
Mayobridge v Loughinisland; Mayobridge

IFC Final
Annaclone v Darragh Cross; Darragh Cross

JFC Final
St John's v Bright; St John's

PRFC Football Final
Mayobridge v Burren; Mayobridge

RFC Final
Rostrevor v Castlewellan; Rostrevor

MFC Final
Bryansford v Mayobridge; Mayobridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 18, 2008, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 18, 2008, 10:03:15 PM
Final round for prediction league

SFC Final
Mayobridge v Loughinisland; Mayobridge

IFC Final
Annaclone v Darragh Cross; Darragh Cross

JFC Final
St John's v Bright; St John's

PRFC Football Final
Mayobridge v Burren; Burren
RFC Final
Rostrevor v Castlewellan; Rostrevor

MFC Final
Bryansford v Mayobridge; Mayobridge

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on September 19, 2008, 02:26:22 AM
SFC Final
Mayobridge v Loughinisland; Mayobridge

IFC Final
Annaclone v Darragh Cross; Darragh Cross

JFC Final
St John's v Bright; St John's

PRFC Football Final
Mayobridge v Burren; Burren

RFC Final
Rostrevor v Castlewellan; Rostrevor

MFC Final
Bryansford v Mayobridge; Mayobridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 19, 2008, 08:56:56 AM
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SFC Final
Mayobridge v Loughinisland; Mayobridge

IFC Final
Annaclone v Darragh Cross; Annaclone

JFC Final
St John's v Bright; St John's

PRFC Football Final
Mayobridge v Burren; Burren

RFC Final
Rostrevor v Castlewellan; Castlewellan

MFC Final
Bryansford v Mayobridge; Mayobridge

MFC (B) Final Ardglass v Longstone; Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 19, 2008, 09:05:10 AM
SFC Final
Mayobridge v Loughinisland; Mayobridge

IFC Final
Annaclone v Darragh Cross; Annaclone

JFC Final
St John's v Bright; St John's

PRFC Football Final
Mayobridge v Burren; Mayobridge

RFC Final
Rostrevor v Castlewellan; Rostrevor

MFC Final
Bryansford v Mayobridge; Mayobridge

MFC (B) Final Ardglass v Longstone; Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 19, 2008, 09:09:30 AM
bitta banter- have you nothing new to say about our transfers into the club- jealousy will get you nowhere- its an open door policy, if people want to leave they can leave, if they want to join they can join. obviously your club has been affected by transfers but maybe you should ask why do they want to leave? why are we a feeder club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on September 19, 2008, 09:19:36 AM
SFC Final
Mayobridge v Loughinisland; Mayobridge

IFC Final
Annaclone v Darragh Cross; Darragh cross

JFC Final
St John's v Bright; St John's

PRFC Football final
Mayobridge v Burren; Burren

RFC Final
Rostrevor v Castlewellan; Castlewellan

MFC Final
Bryansford v Mayobridge; Mayobridge

MFC (B) Final
Ardglass v Longstone; Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 19, 2008, 09:45:40 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 18, 2008, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 18, 2008, 04:34:54 PM
Anyone know when the Minor final is - we hope it is before the Senior Game as scheduled. We have seven boys leaving on the 1st October for university in Mainland UK, surely all minor football should be over before then.

Saturday 27th September at Atticall

U-14 A Final Rostrevor v Carryduff at 1-00pm

U-14 B Final Ardglass v Newry Shamrocks at 11-00am



Saturday 27th September at Rgu Downpatrick

Minor B Final Carryduff V Longstone at 3-00pm



Sunday 12th October at Pairc Esler

Minor A Final Bryansford v Mayobridge at 2-00pm

looks as if you will have to bring them back spirit



Absolute disgrace that one player can hold of 49 other lads from playing before a senior final - but here, we may as well stay at home going by the predictions on this board ;)
If the senior game is a draw when is the replay? probably the 12th as the hurling is on the 5th and Down champs play in Ulster on 19th, what will happen then to the minor final -26th Oct? Sure leave it to Halloween Night in Newry ;D  Another classic example of the dilligent Fixture Secretary in Down football.

Final round for prediction league

SFC Final
Mayobridge v Loughinisland; Loughinisland

IFC Final
Annaclone v Darragh Cross; Darragh Cross

JFC Final
St John's v Bright; St John's

PRFC Football Final
Mayobridge v Burren; Burren

RFC Final
Rostrevor v Castlewellan; Castlewellan

MFC Final
Bryansford v Mayobridge; Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 19, 2008, 09:48:56 AM
Spirit - Are you saying Ryan Brady should be made play the two finals one after the other?  Or the senior side be forced to play without him?  I don't think either of these options are fair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 19, 2008, 09:54:33 AM
  Whitehair, I think Mark Trainor played county minors alright.  Downpatrick and Portaferry won the SFC and SHC respectively in 1991 so that was his only chance to have picked up the two medals.  I have my doubts that he did.

 Heard today that Gabriel Tumelty is reffing the senior football final  :D.  That is shocking, he is nowhere near the standard required, the man struggles at Premier Reserve level.  

 Con Reynolds has jacked the refereeing it in after not getting any championship game at all this year.  I always thought Con was one of the better referees about.

  Oh aye, county secretary confirmed last night that bottom 2 in Division 2 definitely go down no matter what points totals are achieved.  That is fair enough because it's a straight dogfight between us and Tullylish, but will that affect other divisions? 

  Can't believe they are f**king about at this stage considering the balls they made of Division 3 last year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 19, 2008, 10:00:23 AM
QuoteSpirit - Are you saying Ryan Brady should be made play the two finals one after the other?  Or the senior side be forced to play without him?  I don't think either of these options are fair.

Aidan, did Sean Featherstone not play in 3 county finals on the one day not so long ago?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 19, 2008, 10:08:41 AM
Quote from: amallon on September 19, 2008, 09:48:56 AM
Spirit - Are you saying Ryan Brady should be made play the two finals one after the other?  Or the senior side be forced to play without him?  I don't think either of these options are fair.

Aidan - should 49 other lads be deprived the opportunity to play on the biggest day in Down Football? Will young Brady start? Doubtful.
We have seven lads going off to college and they wont have a training session prior to the final because of the Brady situation.
I think the County Board have made a shocker here and if the scenarios i brought up earlier occur what will happen?
The County Board should have fixed this final for last Sunday evening (obviously they were aware of the clashes) to get it off the list instead it is going to depend on results whether it is played or not before November ffs.
Bet your Minor mentors are feeling a bit cheesed off by this as well, we know they are ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 19, 2008, 10:23:49 AM
I'd be very surprised if Brady doesn't start for the seniors.  This won't have been the first time the minor final hasn't been played before the seniors, it happened us in 99 as well.  Thats just life.  The senior county final is the big one and every club wants their strongest hand going into it, and Brady is certainly a key figure in our strongest hand.  Bryansford should be making representations to the co board to have the game played sooner if the date doesn't suit them. 

I haven't heard a word of complaint from our minors on the issue and I be talking to a good few of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 19, 2008, 10:28:11 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 19, 2008, 10:00:23 AM
QuoteSpirit - Are you saying Ryan Brady should be made play the two finals one after the other?  Or the senior side be forced to play without him?  I don't think either of these options are fair.

Aidan, did Sean Featherstone not play in 3 county finals on the one day not so long ago?

He was a goalkeeper, big difference between the energy expenditure between doing nets and outfield. What 3 finals were played on the one day?
Have to agree with A Mallon, the boy shouldnt be deprived of the chance to play in 2 finals or at the same time be forced to play on 2 in one day. Did he start against Saval? If my memory serves me right he did against Bryansford and was very impressive.
It shouldnt matter to the players involved in the minor final if it is played before the senior final or not. Several years in the past it has being played on a different date.
Though it is very unfair on the Ford lads to be missing those trainings, perhaps a compromise date could have being reached.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 19, 2008, 10:47:54 AM
Quote from: amallon on September 19, 2008, 10:23:49 AM
I'd be very surprised if Brady doesn't start for the seniors.  This won't have been the first time the minor final hasn't been played before the seniors, it happened us in 99 as well.  Thats just life.  The senior county final is the big one and every club wants their strongest hand going into it, and Brady is certainly a key figure in our strongest hand.  Bryansford should be making representations to the co board to have the game played sooner if the date doesn't suit them. 

I haven't heard a word of complaint from our minors on the issue and I be talking to a good few of them.

We did, to no effect, though we were told that a limit will put on this in future ie; over 3 players involved will get a game like this changed.
99 was different as you had up to 6 involved in both games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 19, 2008, 10:55:17 AM
SFC Final
Mayobridge v Loughinisland; MayobridgeIFC Final
Annaclone v Darragh Cross; AnnacloneJFC Final
St John's v Bright; St John'sPRFC Football Final
Mayobridge v Burren; MayobridgeRFC Final
Rostrevor v Castlewellan; Castlewellan
MFC Final
Bryansford v Mayobridge; Mayobridge

MFC (B) Final Ardglass v Longstone; Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 19, 2008, 10:55:39 AM
I think the 3 player limit is a load of cack, what if you have a young Benny Coulter or Marty Clarke on your minor team?  I can't see many senior teams wanting to do without a minor of that sort of talent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 19, 2008, 10:59:05 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 18, 2008, 05:38:06 PM
Magic isnt ur only good signing Islandboy,McCarthy is ur best signing,Ward has been a good one,along with Turley.
Dont think Mayobridge have any transsfers in have they?
Only noticed Burren have quite a few signings in and so do Saval from tthe senior semi-finalists.
Y did G McCarten leave Rostrevor and go to Burren?

Gerard McCartan left Rostrevor to go to Burren as his family mover there about 18 months ago.  We were disappointed that he left and tried to get him to stay but he had his mind made up.  No point in keeping a player who doesnt want to stay.

On another transfer, was at the Reserve semi final last night between Rostrevor and Mayobridge.  I noticed a fella Laverty playing full forward for the Bridge.  Turns out it was 'Coke' Laverty from Castlewellan.  I remember him as being a good player when he was younger.  Cant be that old now, what would he be 29!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on September 19, 2008, 11:10:03 AM

SFC Final
Mayobridge v Loughinisland; Mayobridge

IFC Final
Annaclone v Darragh Cross; Annaclone

JFC Final
St John's v Bright; St John's

PRFC Football Final
Mayobridge v Burren; Burren

RFC Final
Rostrevor v Castlewellan; Rostrevor

MFC Final
Bryansford v Mayobridge; Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 19, 2008, 11:16:52 AM
Quote from: Super Dupe on September 19, 2008, 10:59:05 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 18, 2008, 05:38:06 PM
Magic isnt ur only good signing Islandboy,McCarthy is ur best signing,Ward has been a good one,along with Turley.
Dont think Mayobridge have any transsfers in have they?
Only noticed Burren have quite a few signings in and so do Saval from tthe senior semi-finalists.
Y did G McCarten leave Rostrevor and go to Burren?

Gerard McCartan left Rostrevor to go to Burren as his family mover there about 18 months ago.  We were disappointed that he left and tried to get him to stay but he had his mind made up.  No point in keeping a player who doesnt want to stay.

On another transfer, was at the Reserve semi final last night between Rostrevor and Mayobridge.  I noticed a fella Laverty playing full forward for the Bridge.  Turns out it was 'Coke' Laverty from Castlewellan.  I remember him as being a good player when he was younger.  Cant be that old now, what would he be 29!!!

As in the name  :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 19, 2008, 11:22:40 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 18, 2008, 04:34:54 PM
Anyone know when the Minor final is - we hope it is before the Senior Game as scheduled. We have seven boys leaving on the 1st October for university in Mainland UK, surely all minor football should be over before then.

f**k I hate that expression!  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 19, 2008, 11:28:45 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 19, 2008, 11:22:40 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 18, 2008, 04:34:54 PM
Anyone know when the Minor final is - we hope it is before the Senior Game as scheduled. We have seven boys leaving on the 1st October for university in Mainland UK, surely all minor football should be over before then.

f**k I hate that expression!  >:(

I was holding my tongue Lecale! :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 19, 2008, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 19, 2008, 09:54:33 AM
 Whitehair, I think Mark Trainor played county minors alright.  Downpatrick and Portaferry won the SFC and SHC respectively in 1991 so that was his only chance to have picked up the two medals.  I have my doubts that he did.



Mark would have been 18 or 19 in 91. He wouldn't have made Portaferry seniors then but he probably did subsequently and holds a club championship medal in either code albeit not in the same year. I can't think of anyone else in living memory who might have achieved that feat.

Oh, and did you know big Ger Colgan played midfield in an AL minor semi-final in the hurling for Down. We got beat by Offaly by 5 points who then stuffed Clare in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 19, 2008, 12:21:56 PM
Islandboy i wasnt having a go at you,im not jealous of u,the only club im worried about is my own,ur probably so defensive because alota clubs,espeically in east down like taking a dig at you,I was basically making the point that its goin around happenin most clubs(transfers in and out),thats a fact,and it will continue in the future id say.
The Island have done very well,Colgan seems to have them very well organised.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 19, 2008, 01:05:30 PM
Quote from: amallon on September 19, 2008, 10:55:39 AM
I think the 3 player limit is a load of cack, what if you have a young Benny Coulter or Marty Clarke on your minor team?  I can't see many senior teams wanting to do without a minor of that sort of talent.

Cant see too many coulters or clarkes emerging either - watch this space regarding ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 19, 2008, 01:07:06 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on September 19, 2008, 11:28:45 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 19, 2008, 11:22:40 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 18, 2008, 04:34:54 PM
Anyone know when the Minor final is - we hope it is before the Senior Game as scheduled. We have seven boys leaving on the 1st October for university in Mainland UK, surely all minor football should be over before then.

f**k I hate that expression!  >:(

I was holding my tongue Lecale! :D

Strange thing to do whitehair - were you going to swallow it ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 19, 2008, 02:02:03 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 19, 2008, 01:07:06 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on September 19, 2008, 11:28:45 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 19, 2008, 11:22:40 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 18, 2008, 04:34:54 PM
Anyone know when the Minor final is - we hope it is before the Senior Game as scheduled. We have seven boys leaving on the 1st October for university in Mainland UK, surely all minor football should be over before then.

f**k I hate that expression!  >:(

I was holding my tongue Lecale! :D

Strange thing to do whitehair - were you going to swallow it ;D
todays was his first aid refresher course ;) :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on September 19, 2008, 02:20:24 PM
SFC Final
Mayobridge v Loughinisland; Mayobridge

IFC Final
Annaclone v Darragh Cross; Darragh Cross

JFC Final
St John's v Bright; St John's

PRFC Football Final
Mayobridge v Burren; Mayobridge

RFC Final
Rostrevor v Castlewellan; Rostrevor

MFC Final
Bryansford v Mayobridge; Mayobridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: milltown row on September 19, 2008, 03:10:58 PM
did Blaney never win County Championships in both codes?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 19, 2008, 04:10:26 PM
 bitta binter- apologies but am getting sick of hearing the same record from other posters, no offence intended
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on September 19, 2008, 05:07:26 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 19, 2008, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 19, 2008, 09:54:33 AM



Oh, and did you know big Ger Colgan played midfield in an AL minor semi-final in the hurling for Down. We got beat by Offaly by 5 points who then stuffed Clare in the final.


What year was that Johnneycool??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 19, 2008, 07:28:54 PM
Div 3 - Bredagh beat Glasdrumman by something like 5-13 to 0-8. Glasdrumman were missing 6 or 7.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 19, 2008, 10:14:07 PM
Castlewellan reserves are playing well at the minute with Marty McKibben pulling the strings, donal ward, audie mcveigh, paddy hardy, kevin owens all playing as well as younger members - cannot see rostrevor beating them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on September 19, 2008, 10:29:25 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 19, 2008, 10:14:07 PM
Castlewellan reserves are playing well at the minute with Marty McKibben pulling the strings, donal ward, audie mcveigh, paddy hardy, kevin owens all playing as well as younger members - cannot see rostrevor beating them.

Bloody hell. Those names take me back. Great to see them all still playing. Castlewellan and Downpatrick seem to have a good contingent of older boys. Play on for as long as you can. You will be a long time retired.

I can remember playing against McAlarney when he was around the age off 42-44 and still playing for the seniors and Dan McCartan was doing nets for Carryduff seconds when he was well into his fifties.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 19, 2008, 11:25:08 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 19, 2008, 10:14:07 PM
Castlewellan reserves are playing well at the minute with Marty McKibben pulling the strings, donal ward, audie mcveigh, paddy hardy, kevin owens all playing as well as younger members - cannot see rostrevor beating them.

rostrevor have a lot of experienced and talented footballers in the side, shouldn't be underestimated at all. players like paul gannon and gary farell have a wealth of experience and the younger lads such as gareth clarke, brian keenan and barry og mcconville have shown well over the year and have a lot of skill, fight and spirit in them... even if they are all 2 fond of the drink :D but that didnt stop them gettin to the final! they dnt miss much from the dead ball either.. apart from the odd penalty ganz..  ;) goodluck to both teams hopefully the reds can win a championship for the club this year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 19, 2008, 11:25:42 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on September 19, 2008, 10:29:25 PM

I can remember playing against McAlarney when he was around the age off 42-44 and still playing for the seniors and Dan McCartan was doing nets for Carryduff seconds when he was well into his fifties.

I believe Dan won a junior championship with Carryduff (firsts) when he was over 50 and his son Mark played in the same team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TowBar on September 20, 2008, 11:38:16 AM
Any word of how the playoffs are gonna be played this year?? The season is dragging on a bit with potentially 7 matches left in Div 3 with the top 4 teams almost certainly already decided. The county board need to get their finger out, a season running from the beginning of March to mid November is ridiculous. Look at the match last night, bredagh stuffing Glassbrumman who must have fielded a 3rds team, a totally pointless fixture!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 20, 2008, 11:55:46 AM
Final round for prediction league

SFC Final
Mayobridge v Loughinisland: Mayobridge - They should win this hands down. Johnson's impact should be curtailed, the Bridge will have a plan for midfield inadequacies and Benny and Co will run riot in the attack. A Loughinisland win would send out the wrong message to all other Senior clubs across the county. I'll be there cheering the Bridge on with all my might.

IFC Final
Annaclone v Darragh Cross: Annaclone - The Clone have been my favourites all along and this is surely their biggest test. These are two very capable footballing teams. The upset of a shock for Darragh Cross is a distinct possibility. These teams are lot more evenly matched than others think. However, the Clone may just shade it.

JFC Final
St John's v Bright: St John's - Total no brainer. St Johns are the probably the best drilled Division 4 team ive seen in a long time. They have really set down the template for other Junior clubs in regards to getting their house in order to progress to the Intermediate ranks.
Bright have got here by beating three of the worst teams in the competition while St Johns have knocked out two Division 3 sides on the way. That says it all.

PRFC Football Final
Mayobridge v Burren: Mayobridge

RFC Final
Rostrevor v Castlewellan: Rostrevor

MFC Final
Bryansford v Mayobridge: Bryansford

MFC 'B' Final
Carryduff v Longstone: Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 20, 2008, 01:22:11 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 20, 2008, 11:55:46 AM
Final round for prediction league

SFC Final
Mayobridge v Loughinisland: Mayobridge - They should win this hands down. Johnson's impact should be curtailed, the Bridge will have a plan for midfield inadequacies and Benny and Co will run riot in the attack. A Loughinisland win would send out the wrong message to all other Senior clubs across the county. I'll be there cheering the Bridge on with all my might.


A loughlinisland win could boost football in down, one club dominating the county for years cant be good for football, an east down team winning would be beneificial. in saying that though the bridge would be better placed to progress in ulster championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 20, 2008, 03:32:10 PM
Warrenpoint recorded a great win in Downpatrick last nite under the lights.
Witnessed some of the biggest acts of thuggery Ive ever seen on a football pitch our fullback got emptied after ten mins and Downpatrick done nothing but fight off the ball!
Point were better team by a mile and played the footbalkl!
Ref cant be blamed though as a lot was going on behind his back.
Football won the battle last night!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 20, 2008, 03:38:08 PM
Latest ACFL Division 2 Table

Bryansford  18   34
Clann na Banna 16  24
Annaclone  18   22
Warrenpoint  16   22
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Shamrocks  18  20
Ballymartin  17  19
Darragh Cross  17   17
Attical  18   17
--------------------------------
Downpatrick  18  14
Tullylish   18  10
Kilclief   16   7
Dundrum   18   2

Outstanding Fixtures:  Kilcilef v Banbridge + Kilclief v Warrenpoint + Banbridge v Warrenpoint + Ballymartin v Darragh Cross 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on September 20, 2008, 03:46:06 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 20, 2008, 03:32:10 PM
Warrenpoint recorded a great win in Downpatrick last nite under the lights.
Witnessed some of the biggest acts of thuggery Ive ever seen on a football pitch our fullback got emptied after ten mins and Downpatrick done nothing but fight off the ball!
Point were better team by a mile and played the footbalkl!
Ref cant be blamed though as a lot was going on behind his back.
Football won the battle last night!!!
Never read as much nonsense in my life. Warrenpoint did deserve the win as they were able to score all the frees they were awarded but they were their usual cowardly niggly selves. Sneaky leaving the boot in, mouthy, diving like O'mahoney. full back did indeed get emptied for a cowardly punch in the back of the head. He will think next time he tries something like that.
But then going on past history of reporting alleged attacks Warrenpoint do have form for dodgy reporting.
for the record i am not from Downpatrick but might be playing against the Point next year as they will still be in Div 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 20, 2008, 07:14:34 PM
Kilclief beat us something like 4-18 to 0-09 this evening in Dundrum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 20, 2008, 07:47:26 PM
Darragh Cross 1-12 Attical 1-07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on September 20, 2008, 09:33:48 PM
Heard Annaclone and Tullylish drew tonight, dunno the score.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 20, 2008, 10:21:15 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on September 20, 2008, 03:46:06 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 20, 2008, 03:32:10 PM
Warrenpoint recorded a great win in Downpatrick last nite under the lights.
Witnessed some of the biggest acts of thuggery Ive ever seen on a football pitch our fullback got emptied after ten mins and Downpatrick done nothing but fight off the ball!
Point were better team by a mile and played the footbalkl!
Ref cant be blamed though as a lot was going on behind his back.
Football won the battle last night!!!
Never read as much nonsense in my life. Warrenpoint did deserve the win as they were able to score all the frees they were awarded but they were their usual cowardly niggly selves. Sneaky leaving the boot in, mouthy, diving like O'mahoney. full back did indeed get emptied for a cowardly punch in the back of the head. He will think next time he tries something like that.
But then going on past history of reporting alleged attacks Warrenpoint do have form for dodgy reporting.
for the record i am not from Downpatrick but might be playing against the Point next year as they will still be in Div 2


Really???? because the club umpire has informed me that the full forward just turned and thumped Brendan and the lad himself has verified this. Kearney wouldnt be type of boy to fight at all.
Even some Downpatrick players were saying to our players that is same every week with the fighting and brawling and A East Down man informed me of the same as did a Banbridge supporter.
Were does your cowardice argument come from? Our boys played the football and your players were running about trying to hit young guys like 16 year old Ross McGarry.
We got frees for fouls! thats the rules in truth we shouldve won by more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on September 20, 2008, 10:38:19 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 20, 2008, 10:21:15 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on September 20, 2008, 03:46:06 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 20, 2008, 03:32:10 PM
Warrenpoint recorded a great win in Downpatrick last nite under the lights.
Witnessed some of the biggest acts of thuggery Ive ever seen on a football pitch our fullback got emptied after ten mins and Downpatrick done nothing but fight off the ball!
Point were better team by a mile and played the footbalkl!
Ref cant be blamed though as a lot was going on behind his back.
Football won the battle last night!!!
Never read as much nonsense in my life. Warrenpoint did deserve the win as they were able to score all the frees they were awarded but they were their usual cowardly niggly selves. Sneaky leaving the boot in, mouthy, diving like O'mahoney. full back did indeed get emptied for a cowardly punch in the back of the head. He will think next time he tries something like that.
But then going on past history of reporting alleged attacks Warrenpoint do have form for dodgy reporting.
for the record i am not from Downpatrick but might be playing against the Point next year as they will still be in Div 2


Really???? because the club umpire has informed me that the full forward just turned and thumped Brendan and the lad himself has verified this. Kearney wouldnt be type of boy to fight at all.
Even some Downpatrick players were saying to our players that is same every week with the fighting and brawling and A East Down man informed me of the same as did a Banbridge supporter.
Were does your cowardice argument come from? Our boys played the football and your players were running about trying to hit young guys like 16 year old Ross McGarry.
We got frees for fouls! thats the rules in truth we shouldve won by more.
im not saying it untrue or whatever, as i wasnt there, but people shouldnt make the excuse of he's only 16 or only a young lad. if he is good enough to play and he steps out on the pitch to play with men, then he shouldnt expect to get treated any differently just cause he is young. its not a personal attcak on you i must add, but ive heard this a few times when teams played against us this year and thought id point it out. boredom more than anything.lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on September 20, 2008, 11:38:46 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 20, 2008, 10:21:15 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on September 20, 2008, 03:46:06 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 20, 2008, 03:32:10 PM
Warrenpoint recorded a great win in Downpatrick last nite under the lights.
Witnessed some of the biggest acts of thuggery Ive ever seen on a football pitch our fullback got emptied after ten mins and Downpatrick done nothing but fight off the ball!
Point were better team by a mile and played the footbalkl!
Ref cant be blamed though as a lot was going on behind his back.
Football won the battle last night!!!
Never read as much nonsense in my life. Warrenpoint did deserve the win as they were able to score all the frees they were awarded but they were their usual cowardly niggly selves. Sneaky leaving the boot in, mouthy, diving like O'mahoney. full back did indeed get emptied for a cowardly punch in the back of the head. He will think next time he tries something like that.
But then going on past history of reporting alleged attacks Warrenpoint do have form for dodgy reporting.
for the record i am not from Downpatrick but might be playing against the Point next year as they will still be in Div 2


Really???? because the club umpire has informed me that the full forward just turned and thumped Brendan and the lad himself has verified this. Kearney wouldnt be type of boy to fight at all.
Even some Downpatrick players were saying to our players that is same every week with the fighting and brawling and A East Down man informed me of the same as did a Banbridge supporter.
Were does your cowardice argument come from? Our boys played the football and your players were running about trying to hit young guys like 16 year old Ross McGarry.
We got frees for fouls! thats the rules in truth we shouldve won by more.
Ask my brother am I a Liar!!
Our full foprward is one big gentle giant and has never been involved in anything like this before. Our umpire said he got a dig in the back of the head and just  took your mans lights out
For the record mate there has not been one schmozzle, fight, raised fist or any incident in any of our games this year nor would Isay last year.( bar a couple of times in Warrenpoint this year when some  of your lads were acting the wag and needed thier ears cuffed)
Downpatrick would have one of the best discipliary records in the county with not a red card for about three years or so.
I did not think you boys spoke to the Banbridge club. Just wrote about them in the paper

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 20, 2008, 11:55:23 PM
God thats hilarious!! actually the Banbridge team & management were in our social club for tea & sandwiches after our game last week!
Im not saying 16 year olds should get special protection but its cowardly for grown men to target young guys simply because of their age!!
This isnt about disciplinary records as I have al;ready said alot happens off the ball that referees simply cannot see!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 21, 2008, 01:03:05 AM
any word of how Glenn v ardglass went earlier?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 21, 2008, 03:53:35 AM
rostrevor beat ballyholand by a point on saturday evenin!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on September 21, 2008, 10:09:31 AM
Quote from: SCENTOFSAM on September 20, 2008, 11:38:46 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 20, 2008, 10:21:15 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on September 20, 2008, 03:46:06 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 20, 2008, 03:32:10 PM
Warrenpoint recorded a great win in Downpatrick last nite under the lights.
Witnessed some of the biggest acts of thuggery Ive ever seen on a football pitch our fullback got emptied after ten mins and Downpatrick done nothing but fight off the ball!
Point were better team by a mile and played the footbalkl!
Ref cant be blamed though as a lot was going on behind his back.
Football won the battle last night!!!
Never read as much nonsense in my life. Warrenpoint did deserve the win as they were able to score all the frees they were awarded but they were their usual cowardly niggly selves. Sneaky leaving the boot in, mouthy, diving like O'mahoney. full back did indeed get emptied for a cowardly punch in the back of the head. He will think next time he tries something like that.
But then going on past history of reporting alleged attacks Warrenpoint do have form for dodgy reporting.
for the record i am not from Downpatrick but might be playing against the Point next year as they will still be in Div 2


Really???? because the club umpire has informed me that the full forward just turned and thumped Brendan and the lad himself has verified this. Kearney wouldnt be type of boy to fight at all.
Even some Downpatrick players were saying to our players that is same every week with the fighting and brawling and A East Down man informed me of the same as did a Banbridge supporter.
Were does your cowardice argument come from? Our boys played the football and your players were running about trying to hit young guys like 16 year old Ross McGarry.
We got frees for fouls! thats the rules in truth we shouldve won by more.
Ask my brother am I a Liar!!
Our full foprward is one big gentle giant and has never been involved in anything like this before. Our umpire said he got a dig in the back of the head and just  took your mans lights out
For the record mate there has not been one schmozzle, fight, raised fist or any incident in any of our games this year nor would Isay last year.( bar a couple of times in Warrenpoint this year when some  of your lads were acting the wag and needed thier ears cuffed)
Downpatrick would have one of the best discipliary records in the county with not a red card for about three years or so.
I did not think you boys spoke to the Banbridge club. Just wrote about them in the paper



What about the downpatrick full forward who punched mal magee against banbridge.
The majority of the banbridge and warrenpoint lads do get on with eachother
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 21, 2008, 10:57:34 AM

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What about the downpatrick full forward who punched mal magee against banbridge.
The majority of the banbridge and warrenpoint lads do get on with eachother
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Now Danny dont be revealing that !!!! apparently we all hate eachother or at least in everyone elses eyes we do!
Even in our Championship game with Banbridge there was no dirtyness it was a clean game with few incidents.
Last weeks game was exactly the same.

The Downpatrick lads just dont wanna admit that once they couldnt beat the Point at football they decided a more underhand tactic.
Your full forward was getting a roasting and his frustration boiled over! Then he got cleaned for the rest of the game too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCENTOFSAM on September 21, 2008, 11:00:19 AM
must be a different game as he was taken off before half time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 21, 2008, 11:10:56 AM
Why was he taken off??? he was getting roasted!
Few years ago the tactic of putting it up to us wouldve worked and Warrenpoint probably wouldve folded but this year the team seems to stand up when confronted with this tactic, not by throwing punches but by putting scores on the board!

We have a very young team that if held together could improve with time and the right people in charge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 21, 2008, 11:21:01 AM
QuoteDownpatrick would have one of the best discipliary records in the county with not a red card for about three years or so.

;D  :D  ;D   :D  ;D  :D

FFS lad, John Smith is a walking disciplinary record! Just ask big Evans!!!

Anyone confirm the Tullylish result?  That puts us even deeper into the shite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 21, 2008, 11:53:57 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 21, 2008, 11:21:01 AM
QuoteDownpatrick would have one of the best discipliary records in the county with not a red card for about three years or so.

;D  :D  ;D   :D  ;D  :D

FFS lad, John Smith is a walking disciplinary record! Just ask big Evans!!!

Anyone confirm the Tullylish result?  That puts us even deeper into the shite.

was speaking to Kevin Blaney this morning, draw is the correct result, don't know the final score though!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on September 21, 2008, 12:13:42 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 21, 2008, 11:21:01 AM

Anyone confirm the Tullylish result?  That puts us even deeper into the shite.

Our match with Tullylish finished a draw 1-12 to 0-15 I think.  Tullylish levelled the match in something like the 7th minute of injury time though in fairness were probably good value for their point.

I think we head up your direction next saturday No1 with both teams desparate for the points!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 21, 2008, 05:39:59 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 21, 2008, 03:53:35 AM
rostrevor beat ballyholand by a point on saturday evenin!
Ballyholland must gone now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 21, 2008, 06:30:54 PM
Latest ACFL Division 2 Table

Bryansford  18   34
Clann na Banna 16  24
Annaclone  19   23
Warrenpoint  16   22
----------------------------------
Shamrocks  18  20
Ballymartin  17  19
Darragh Cross  18   19
Attical  19   17
--------------------------------
Downpatrick  18  14
Tullylish   19  11
Kilclief   17   9
Dundrum   18   2

Outstanding Fixtures:  Kilcilef v Banbridge + Kilclief v Warrenpoint + Banbridge v Warrenpoint + Ballymartin v Darragh Cross
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on September 21, 2008, 08:57:29 PM
is there  a full programme this wek does anyone know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 21, 2008, 10:34:38 PM
Who won the Ardglass Glen game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 21, 2008, 10:50:21 PM
Looks like Bryansford, Clann na Banna, Warrenpoint are in a strong position to  make the playoffs.   A few teams still in with a shout for the last place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 21, 2008, 11:51:47 PM
Just in case no one else does, can I point our our record this year at all levels against the county which, in recent times, sets the bench mark. We beat Tyrone in the Ulster championship at both senior and u21 and we were in a winning position in the minors well into the second half if a couple of switches had been made. We have a huge amount of work to do, particularly at the back in all levels, but, if we listen to what the Tyrone players said today about the impact of losing to us, we can still move forward with at least some confidence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on September 22, 2008, 12:19:23 AM
If our players would listen to the Tyrone players talk about the levels of committment and focus required, we may start to get somewhere. We have still too many going through the motions with low expectation, a couple of good performances the pinnacle of their ambition each year. The fact that there are few if any challengers for their positions, keeps them in the comfort zone from which nothing is ever won
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 22, 2008, 08:28:27 AM
Mourne Rover if you honestly think we are eve close to Tyrone at the minute your diluded! ::)
Fair enough Down beat Tyrone i Ulster but with the back door system teams know it isnt a win or die situation as of old.
That day in Marshes Tyrone had a heap of injuries most notably to Sean Cavanagh.
I think somebody pointed out that in past 3 or 4 years Down have had only maybe 2 or 3 newcomers to there starting 15!

Im not asking for wholesale change but if boys arent doing the job someone else should get a crack of the whip! Too many boys are just happy enough to be in Ross' panel every year knowing they probably wont play championship football all year.

I also know for a fact that most of the Kildare players never touched alcohol from Chritmas until they were out of the championship. Would our players ever show thses levels of commitment?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 22, 2008, 08:52:49 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 22, 2008, 12:19:23 AM
If our players would listen to the Tyrone players talk about the levels of committment and focus required, we may start to get somewhere. We have still too many going through the motions with low expectation, a couple of good performances the pinnacle of their ambition each year. The fact that there are few if any challengers for their positions, keeps them in the comfort zone from which nothing is ever won
Good point. Maybe our players technically are not that far off but our overall organisation is.

Interesting that Brian  Dooher's first thanks at Croker were for Club Tyrone, demonstrating that Tyrone are getting things right at EVERY level. Here in Down we let a brilliant orgnaisation like Club Down fade away when it should have been properly recognised for what it achieved and kept as the foundation for the county's future finances, part of the overall structure every county needs to compete with Tyrone today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 22, 2008, 09:00:09 AM
We are getting back to the alcohol subject again - lets face facts we dont have the players to make a serious challenge, Wexford told us that.
A few posts back someone quoted a Loughinisland win in the SFC would send out the wrong signal to all other clubs in Down - beleive me it would be the best thing to happen Down football.
Ross has assembled a panel get together tomorrow night in Newcastle - wtf - has the defence of the McKenna Cup begun already? Last year we peaked in February and it looks like it will be the same again this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 22, 2008, 09:08:10 AM
Quote from: THE DADGA on September 19, 2008, 05:07:26 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 19, 2008, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 19, 2008, 09:54:33 AM



Oh, and did you know big Ger Colgan played midfield in an AL minor semi-final in the hurling for Down. We got beat by Offaly by 5 points who then stuffed Clare in the final.


What year was that Johnneycool??


1989.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 22, 2008, 09:19:31 AM
spirit - most people would like to see us win on sunday as it would be good for down football- its only downfanatic who would prefer the bridge- think he is jealous after there close game with kilclief.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on September 22, 2008, 09:39:56 AM
What time is the throw in ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 22, 2008, 09:40:38 AM
I'd prefer the Bridge to win myself!  ;)  I just hope the best team wins, and the best team to represent Down in Ulster comes through on Sunday.  I hope that is the Bridge.

Tyrone winning the All Ireland is a boost for Ulster football and should make for a more interesting Ulster championship.  Down can take a little pride in being the only team to beat Tyrone but they should realise that Tyrone had far more capacity to improve than Down had.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on September 22, 2008, 05:17:28 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 22, 2008, 09:00:09 AM
We are getting back to the alcohol subject again - lets face facts we dont have the players to make a serious challenge, Wexford told us that.
A few posts back someone quoted a Loughinisland win in the SFC would send out the wrong signal to all other clubs in Down - beleive me it would be the best thing to happen Down football.
Ross has assembled a panel get together tomorrow night in Newcastle - wtf - has the defence of the McKenna Cup begun already? Last year we peaked in February and it looks like it will be the same again this year.

Seems crazy to get together already< but just out of intrest anybody know anyone called to it???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 22, 2008, 05:21:27 PM
I heard a rumour that Conor Garvey is invited to the panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 22, 2008, 05:24:02 PM
Quote from: the milkman on September 22, 2008, 05:17:28 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 22, 2008, 09:00:09 AM
We are getting back to the alcohol subject again - lets face facts we dont have the players to make a serious challenge, Wexford told us that.
A few posts back someone quoted a Loughinisland win in the SFC would send out the wrong signal to all other clubs in Down - beleive me it would be the best thing to happen Down football.
Ross has assembled a panel get together tomorrow night in Newcastle - wtf - has the defence of the McKenna Cup begun already? Last year we peaked in February and it looks like it will be the same again this year.

Seems crazy to get together already< but just out of intrest anybody know anyone called to it???

Some who should be:

K King           Bryansford
N McArdle     Castlewellan
F McGreevy   Castlewellan
L Sloan         Atticall
K Duffin        Castlewellan
M McClean     Kilcoo
J Doran         L'island
C Turley        L'island
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 22, 2008, 05:31:17 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 22, 2008, 05:24:02 PM
Quote from: the milkman on September 22, 2008, 05:17:28 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 22, 2008, 09:00:09 AM
We are getting back to the alcohol subject again - lets face facts we dont have the players to make a serious challenge, Wexford told us that.
A few posts back someone quoted a Loughinisland win in the SFC would send out the wrong signal to all other clubs in Down - beleive me it would be the best thing to happen Down football.
Ross has assembled a panel get together tomorrow night in Newcastle - wtf - has the defence of the McKenna Cup begun already? Last year we peaked in February and it looks like it will be the same again this year.

Seems crazy to get together already< but just out of intrest anybody know anyone called to it???

Some who should be:

K King           Bryansford
N McArdle     Castlewellan
F McGreevy   Castlewellan
L Sloan         Atticall
K Duffin        Castlewellan
M McClean     Kilcoo
J Doran         L'island
C Turley        L'island


not sure about the rest but Duffin is a class act!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on September 22, 2008, 05:39:53 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 22, 2008, 05:31:17 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 22, 2008, 05:24:02 PM
Quote from: the milkman on September 22, 2008, 05:17:28 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 22, 2008, 09:00:09 AM
We are getting back to the alcohol subject again - lets face facts we dont have the players to make a serious challenge, Wexford told us that.
A few posts back someone quoted a Loughinisland win in the SFC would send out the wrong signal to all other clubs in Down - beleive me it would be the best thing to happen Down football.
Ross has assembled a panel get together tomorrow night in Newcastle - wtf - has the defence of the McKenna Cup begun already? Last year we peaked in February and it looks like it will be the same again this year.

Seems crazy to get together already< but just out of intrest anybody know anyone called to it???

Some who should be:

K King           Bryansford
N McArdle     Castlewellan
F McGreevy   Castlewellan
L Sloan         Atticall
K Duffin        Castlewellan
M McClean     Kilcoo
J Doran         L'island
C Turley        L'island


not sure about the rest but Duffin is a class act!!!

100% looks lethal player seems to be hard as the road too!

Seen a good few championship games this year, I think that S O Hare from mayobridge should  def get a chance! Seen plenty of Div3. teams this year playing against St.Micks, the CHF. for glassdrumman looked the part also, not sure of name or age though!!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 22, 2008, 05:50:36 PM
Quote from: the milkman on September 22, 2008, 05:39:53 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 22, 2008, 05:31:17 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 22, 2008, 05:24:02 PM
Quote from: the milkman on September 22, 2008, 05:17:28 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 22, 2008, 09:00:09 AM
We are getting back to the alcohol subject again - lets face facts we dont have the players to make a serious challenge, Wexford told us that.
A few posts back someone quoted a Loughinisland win in the SFC would send out the wrong signal to all other clubs in Down - beleive me it would be the best thing to happen Down football.
Ross has assembled a panel get together tomorrow night in Newcastle - wtf - has the defence of the McKenna Cup begun already? Last year we peaked in February and it looks like it will be the same again this year.

Seems crazy to get together already< but just out of intrest anybody know anyone called to it???

Some who should be:

K King           Bryansford
N McArdle     Castlewellan
F McGreevy   Castlewellan
L Sloan         Atticall
K Duffin        Castlewellan
M McClean     Kilcoo
J Doran         L'island
C Turley        L'island


not sure about the rest but Duffin is a class act!!!

100% looks lethal player seems to be hard as the road too!

Seen a good few championship games this year, I think that S O Hare from mayobridge should  def get a chance! Seen plenty of Div3. teams this playing against St.Micks, the CHF. for glassdrumman looked the part also, not sure of name or age though!!!



probably cormac murphy. hes a big ginger lad, very good player. could never understand why he wasnt at least looked at by the county management. theres also a fella called pat mallon plays for glasdrumman, not sure what he would be like at county level but always been good any time i have played against him.

does anyone know if michael magee still plays for ardglass? hes another one i wouldnt mind seeing getting a chance (have to admit i havent seen him playing in a while and dont know what committment would be like)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on September 22, 2008, 06:34:17 PM


Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 21, 2008, 11:51:47 PM
Just in case no one else does, can I point our our record this year at all levels against the county which, in recent times, sets the bench mark. We beat Tyrone in the Ulster championship at both senior and u21 and we were in a winning position in the minors well into the second half if a couple of switches had been made. We have a huge amount of work to do, particularly at the back in all levels, but, if we listen to what the Tyrone players said today about the impact of losing to us, we can still move forward with at least some confidence.


Quote from: Pangurban on September 22, 2008, 12:19:23 AM
If our players would listen to the Tyrone players talk about the levels of committment and focus required, we may start to get somewhere. We have still too many going through the motions with low expectation, a couple of good performances the pinnacle of their ambition each year. The fact that there are few if any challengers for their positions, keeps them in the comfort zone from which nothing is ever won

Owned in the next post!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 22, 2008, 07:24:37 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on September 22, 2008, 05:50:36 PM

, the CHF. for glassdrumman looked the part also, not sure of name or age though!!!



probably cormac murphy. hes a big ginger lad, very good player. could never understand why he wasnt at least looked at by the county management.
[/quote]

Murphy is son of former Derry player Liam who is a selector with U21.

Big strong player, beautiful striker of a ball - but now too old and a bit too languid in his style to make county. Class at this level, though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dromara Gael on September 22, 2008, 07:52:19 PM
Anyone have the fixtures for the week ahead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 22, 2008, 09:01:39 PM
Guevera, I'm not sure if I am either diluded or deluded, but I never suggested that Down were close to Tyrone's level as of today. What I pointed out was that we beat Tyrone in the Ulster championship, and, with hard work and major improvements to our defence, that gives us something to build on - no more and no less.

You say that Tyrone had a range of injuries for the Marshes game, including Sean Cavanagh. In fact, Cavanagh was fully fit that day and was probably Tyrone's MoM. There was not a single player from Tyrone's starting 15 yesterday who was unavailable in Newry. The most notable absentee from the game was Martin Cole, who is by some distance our most experienced and capable defender and was unfairly suspended

The idea that Down have only introduced two or three newcomers in the last three or four years is also well wide of the mark. By my reckoning, there were five championship debuts this summer alone - Howard, Turley, Murney Fegan and McKernan. I would say there were at least another five in 2007 when Ross first came in. The problem is not one of giving new faces a chance, it is finding players who are up to inter-county standard in key positions. We made some progress this year, but we have a long way to go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fernando on September 22, 2008, 09:16:34 PM
how many games are planned for sun?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 22, 2008, 09:26:19 PM
Have the fixtures for this week been E Mailed? I haven't got them yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 22, 2008, 09:59:00 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 22, 2008, 09:01:39 PM
Guevera, I'm not sure if I am either diluded or deluded, but I never suggested that Down were close to Tyrone's level as of today. What I pointed out was that we beat Tyrone in the Ulster championship, and, with hard work and major improvements to our defence, that gives us something to build on - no more and no less.

You say that Tyrone had a range of injuries for the Marshes game, including Sean Cavanagh. In fact, Cavanagh was fully fit that day and was probably Tyrone's MoM. There was not a single player from Tyrone's starting 15 yesterday who was unavailable in Newry. The most notable absentee from the game was Martin Cole, who is by some distance our most experienced and capable defender and was unfairly suspended

The idea that Down have only introduced two or three newcomers in the last three or four years is also well wide of the mark. By my reckoning, there were five championship debuts this summer alone - Howard, Turley, Murney Fegan and McKernan. I would say there were at least another five in 2007 when Ross first came in. The problem is not one of giving new faces a chance, it is finding players who are up to inter-county standard in key positions. We made some progress this year, but we have a long way to go.

spot on.we also lost doyle along the way who would have boosted our chances as we progressed. he was sorely missed in the armagh game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 22, 2008, 10:00:44 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 22, 2008, 09:26:19 PM
Have the fixtures for this week been E Mailed? I haven't got them yet.

you not important?

Saturday 27th Sept
Ballyholland 2 00pm
RFC Final
Caislean an Mhuillin v Caislean Ruairi(J Killen)
Ballyholland 3 30pm
PRFC Final
Droichead Mhaigh Eo v Boireann(B Rice)
Downpatrick 4 30
Democrat Media IHC Final
Liatroim v Port An Pheire(C Coulter)
Saturday 5 30
ACFL Div 1
Clonduff v Saval
Castlewellan v Ballyholland
Burren v Longstone
An Riocht v Rostrevor
ACFL Div 2
Daragh Cross v Clanna na Banna
Ballymartin v Attical
Shamrocks V Warrenpoint
Kilclief v Annaclone
Downpatrick v Dundrum
Bryansford v Tullylish
ACFL Div 3
St Pauls v Drumaness
Teconnaught v Drumgath
Saul v Mitchels
St John Bosco v St Micheals
Carryduff v Bredagh
Glassdrumman v Glenn
ACFL Div 4
Aghaderg v Dromara
Sunday 28th Sept 1 00pm
ACHL Div 1
Bredagh v Shamrocks
ACHL Div 2
Ballyvarley v Warrenpoint
Pairc Esler 1 45
Junior Fotball Championship Final
Naomh Eoin v Breachtain(M Rawlinson)
Pairc Esler 4 00
Powerade SFC Final
Droichead Mhaigh Eo v Loch an Oileain(G Corrigan)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 23, 2008, 08:43:48 AM
Quote from: Leo on September 22, 2008, 05:24:02 PM
Quote from: the milkman on September 22, 2008, 05:17:28 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 22, 2008, 09:00:09 AM
We are getting back to the alcohol subject again - lets face facts we dont have the players to make a serious challenge, Wexford told us that.
A few posts back someone quoted a Loughinisland win in the SFC would send out the wrong signal to all other clubs in Down - beleive me it would be the best thing to happen Down football.
Ross has assembled a panel get together tomorrow night in Newcastle - wtf - has the defence of the McKenna Cup begun already? Last year we peaked in February and it looks like it will be the same again this year.

Seems crazy to get together already< but just out of intrest anybody know anyone called to it???

Some who should be:

K King           Bryansford
N McArdle     Castlewellan
F McGreevy   Castlewellan
L Sloan         Atticall
K Duffin        Castlewellan
M McClean     Kilcoo
J Doran         L'island
C Turley        L'island


Forget Kalum King - his sabbatical away fom GAA has left him muscle bound and injury prone - a physios dream. He wouldnt stick the county for five minutes, I take it no under 21 players will be called yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 23, 2008, 11:43:17 AM
IHC final on Saturday in Downpatrick, Liatroim v Portaferry. I'd expect Liatroim to win this. Ports will be missing Dule & Eamon Adair from their semi final win over Newry Shamrocks. Liatoim have improved this year and if they win on Saturday could give Ulster a run.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 23, 2008, 11:52:52 AM
Seems crazy to get together already< but just out of intrest anybody know anyone called to it???
[/quote]

Colgan and Daniel McCartan both apparantley gone!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the derg on September 23, 2008, 01:14:24 PM
rory simpson from aghaderg has been called onto squad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on September 23, 2008, 01:16:57 PM
Simpson eh?? :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on September 23, 2008, 01:17:11 PM
Quote from: the derg on September 23, 2008, 01:14:24 PM
rory simpson from aghaderg has been called onto squad

Who is he now.

When is the Intermediate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 23, 2008, 01:37:48 PM
Quote from: Super Dupe on September 23, 2008, 11:52:52 AM
Seems crazy to get together already< but just out of intrest anybody know anyone called to it???

Colgan and Daniel McCartan both apparantley gone!!
[/quote]

Sad to say it also time to say goodbye to one or two others. I'm not talking about the likes of Kevin McGuigan or John Fegan who should never be near the squad, but great seasoned club players like Ronan Murtagh and Ronan Sexton simply do not have what is needed at county level.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 23, 2008, 01:47:04 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 23, 2008, 01:37:48 PM
Quote from: Super Dupe on September 23, 2008, 11:52:52 AM
Seems crazy to get together already< but just out of intrest anybody know anyone called to it???

Colgan and Daniel McCartan both apparantley gone!!

Sad to say it also time to say goodbye to one or two others. I'm not talking about the likes of Kevin McGuigan or John Fegan who should never be near the squad, but great seasoned club players like Ronan Murtagh and Ronan Sexton simply do not have what is needed at county level.

Leo has ronan done something against you previously as you just do not seem to like the lad
[/quote]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 23, 2008, 01:48:34 PM
murtagh and sexton are continually standing out at club level so it would be stupid to drop them!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 23, 2008, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 23, 2008, 01:47:04 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 23, 2008, 01:37:48 PM
Quote from: Super Dupe on September 23, 2008, 11:52:52 AM
Seems crazy to get together already< but just out of intrest anybody know anyone called to it???

Colgan and Daniel McCartan both apparantley gone!!

Sad to say it also time to say goodbye to one or two others. I'm not talking about the likes of Kevin McGuigan or John Fegan who should never be near the squad, but great seasoned club players like Ronan Murtagh and Ronan Sexton simply do not have what is needed at county level.

Leo has ronan done something against you previously as you just do not seem to like the lad
[/quote]

100% right and they can take mcguigan with them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 23, 2008, 01:56:55 PM
Quote from: off the laces on September 23, 2008, 01:47:04 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 23, 2008, 01:37:48 PM
Quote from: Super Dupe on September 23, 2008, 11:52:52 AM
Seems crazy to get together already< but just out of intrest anybody know anyone called to it???

Colgan and Daniel McCartan both apparantley gone!!

Sad to say it also time to say goodbye to one or two others. I'm not talking about the likes of Kevin McGuigan or John Fegan who should never be near the squad, but great seasoned club players like Ronan Murtagh and Ronan Sexton simply do not have what is needed at county level.

Leo has ronan done something against you previously as you just do not seem to like the lad
[/quote]

Absolutely love the lad and his style of play. Would he make the Tyrone bench? No.
We have to accept what I will call the "Shorty Teanor" phenomenon, whereby an outstanding club player in some cases is incapable of translating that to county level.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the derg on September 23, 2008, 02:43:30 PM
rory played midfield on same minor team as dan gordon great left foot strong player needs lots of hard training to get fit certainly worth looking at if he commits
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 23, 2008, 02:52:02 PM
Lads don't be leaving it to a Bridge man to come in and defend Shorty Trainor!  ;)  I was a bit young to remember but was Shorty not one of Down's better players in the late 80's?  He was some club footballer.

I think Sexton and Murtagh still have plenty to offer Down, they certainly have the hard work attitude and look after themselves.  These are the sort of lads we need around the panel if not on the team.  Don't be throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 23, 2008, 03:15:50 PM
Quote from: amallon on September 23, 2008, 02:52:02 PM
Lads don't be leaving it to a Bridge man to come in and defend Shorty Trainor!  ;)  I was a bit young to remember but was Shorty not one of Down's better players in the late 80's?  He was some club footballer.

I think Sexton and Murtagh still have plenty to offer Down, they certainly have the hard work attitude and look after themselves.  These are the sort of lads we need around the panel if not on the team.  Don't be throwing out the baby with the bath water.

And won nothing in that era although this isnt the case here, a Shorty in the forward line would be a blessing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 23, 2008, 03:33:30 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 23, 2008, 11:43:17 AM
IHC final on Saturday in Downpatrick, Liatroim v Portaferry. I'd expect Liatroim to win this. Ports will be missing Dule & Eamon Adair from their semi final win over Newry Shamrocks. Liatoim have improved this year and if they win on Saturday could give Ulster a run.

Are you refereeing it Bacon or have you retired from that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on September 23, 2008, 03:34:46 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 22, 2008, 09:01:39 PM
Guevera, I'm not sure if I am either diluded or deluded, but I never suggested that Down were close to Tyrone's level as of today. What I pointed out was that we beat Tyrone in the Ulster championship, and, with hard work and major improvements to our defence, that gives us something to build on - no more and no less.

You say that Tyrone had a range of injuries for the Marshes game, including Sean Cavanagh. In fact, Cavanagh was fully fit that day and was probably Tyrone's MoM. "There was not a single player from Tyrone's starting 15 yesterday who was unavailable in Newry" The most notable absentee from the game was Martin Cole, who is by some distance our most experienced and capable defender and was unfairly suspended

The idea that Down have only introduced two or three newcomers in the last three or four years is also well wide of the mark. By my reckoning, there were five championship debuts this summer alone - Howard, Turley, Murney Fegan and McKernan. I would say there were at least another five in 2007 when Ross first came in. The problem is not one of giving new faces a chance, it is finding players who are up to inter-county standard in key positions. We made some progress this year, but we have a long way to go.
I certainly would not want to understimate the result that night and I may be wrong but my recollection is that that Tyrones most influential player this year was missing that night. i.e Enda McGinlay who had been concussed in the drawn game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 23, 2008, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 23, 2008, 03:33:30 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 23, 2008, 11:43:17 AM
IHC final on Saturday in Downpatrick, Liatroim v Portaferry. I'd expect Liatroim to win this. Ports will be missing Dule & Eamon Adair from their semi final win over Newry Shamrocks. Liatoim have improved this year and if they win on Saturday could give Ulster a run.

Are you refereeing it Bacon or have you retired from that?

Mowglie is the referee. No better man!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on September 23, 2008, 06:08:29 PM
Quote from: the derg on September 23, 2008, 02:43:30 PM
rory played midfield on same minor team as dan gordon great left foot strong player needs lots of hard training to get fit certainly worth looking at if he commits

Rory simpson on the panel !!! wat a joke! Laziest player in down! younger players need to be looked at and blooded into senior football .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on September 23, 2008, 07:06:00 PM
Quote from: Super Dupe on September 23, 2008, 11:52:52 AM
Seems crazy to get together already< but just out of intrest anybody know anyone called to it???

Colgan and Daniel McCartan both apparantley gone!!
[/quote]

Would def. have kept Daniel in the squad, although he has plenty of critics, nobody can question his attitude, prob the most dedicated player in the county and always gives his best! Surely he is worth his place in the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 23, 2008, 08:45:49 PM
yes he is, what he lacks in pace he makes up for with ringcraft
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 23, 2008, 10:17:10 PM
Quote from: the derg on September 23, 2008, 02:43:30 PM
rory played midfield on same minor team as dan gordon great left foot strong player needs lots of hard training to get fit certainly worth looking at if he commits


Bad sign when a person from players own club is pointing out his lack of fitness! Was the fella injured or is he just not very fit?
Guys Ive been impressed with from watching  Div II (Im deliberately leaving out anyone from my own club Warrenpoint)

Paddy Feeney - Banbridge
Marcus McGrath - Darragh Cross
Eoin McGuinness - Shamrocks

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 24, 2008, 10:54:19 AM
Quote from: guevara on September 23, 2008, 10:17:10 PM
Quote from: the derg on September 23, 2008, 02:43:30 PM
rory played midfield on same minor team as dan gordon great left foot strong player needs lots of hard training to get fit certainly worth looking at if he commits


Bad sign when a person from players own club is pointing out his lack of fitness! Was the fella injured or is he just not very fit?
Guys Ive been impressed with from watching  Div II (Im deliberately leaving out anyone from my own club Warrenpoint)

Paddy Feeney - Banbridge
Marcus McGrath - Darragh Cross
Eoin McGuinness - Shamrocks



Not another Shamrocks man  ???

How many players do they have on the panel now.  I hear its 6.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on September 24, 2008, 11:57:57 AM
Apparently Martin Rafferty and Kevin McGuigan have been dropped this year! Im sure it'll be a relief to most people to see McGuigan dropped. Eoin McGuiness was given a chance last year and didnt make it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on September 24, 2008, 12:36:27 PM
When are the Intermediate and Senior finals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on September 24, 2008, 12:43:39 PM
lads, dont tell me theres another shamrocks man on the panel!!

surely if these lads were of county standard - shamrocks senior football wouldnt be the shambles it is today!!

no more shamrocks men till they prove themselves at club level first!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 24, 2008, 01:01:29 PM
Quote from: corn02 on September 24, 2008, 12:36:27 PM
When are the Intermediate and Senior finals?

Senior & Junior Finals are on Sunday, not sure when the Intermediate is yet though Corn!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 24, 2008, 01:03:16 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 24, 2008, 01:01:29 PM
Quote from: corn02 on September 24, 2008, 12:36:27 PM
When are the Intermediate and Senior finals?

Senior & Junior Finals are on Sunday, not sure when the Intermediate is yet though Corn!

Inter is with Minor in Newry on 12th Oct
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on September 24, 2008, 01:44:06 PM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on September 24, 2008, 12:43:39 PM
lads, dont tell me theres another shamrocks man on the panel!!

surely if these lads were of county standard - shamrocks senior football wouldnt be the shambles it is today!!

no more shamrocks men till they prove themselves at club level first!!

Well I am not sure what the others onb the panel are like but McGuinness is an excellent player, an a super hurling player to boot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 24, 2008, 01:49:28 PM
Think its fair to say that the talent is not there- sexton and murtagh are two of the better players and should be in squad.
dont think ross will find any gems in div 3 or 4. if they were good enough we would all know about them. think its best that he brings in young players such as garvey and shane o hare from the bridge and maybe jamie o reilly from our club. no-one older than26/ 27 will realistically be getting called up now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 24, 2008, 02:05:57 PM
Quote from: corn02 on September 24, 2008, 01:44:06 PM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on September 24, 2008, 12:43:39 PM
lads, dont tell me theres another shamrocks man on the panel!!

surely if these lads were of county standard - shamrocks senior football wouldnt be the shambles it is today!!

no more shamrocks men till they prove themselves at club level first!!

Well I am not sure what the others onb the panel are like but McGuinness is an excellent player, an a super hurling player to boot.

I've never seen him play football but he can certainly hurl!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 24, 2008, 02:20:14 PM
was reading the Mourne Observer earlier and was amazed to read that Byransford have never won a minor title!!! who was won the most minor titles.. Mayobridge have three 80, 97,99
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 24, 2008, 02:24:40 PM
Burren & Clonduff have won a load. Clonduff won 3 or 4 in a row in the 1990s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on September 24, 2008, 02:39:48 PM
McGuiness may be a good hurler but he's an average club player at best. Also heard that another fella from Aghaderg got called up - Kevin Anderson. Think he spent 2 years at minor level and a year at U-21 level last year and got bear minimum game time. Is he good enough tho?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 24, 2008, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 24, 2008, 02:20:14 PM
was reading the Mourne Observer earlier and was amazed to read that Byransford have never won a minor title!!! who was won the most minor titles.. Mayobridge have three 80, 97,99

This is only our third final - 1980 & 1991 were the other two, Mickey Linden played against (beat!) us in 80 when we had Francie McKibben (current Manager) coming back from winning the og sport at Gormanstown to play in the final, 91 team was Paul Burns,Aidan Shields etc Ballyholland beat us that day.

Hope you read about the Anti Social behaviour going on in the Bridge Tommy, and meeting the PSNI ;) to sort it out, Either you lot are on the Mundies again or you will be leading a vigilante group to sort the problem out! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 24, 2008, 04:13:38 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 24, 2008, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 24, 2008, 02:20:14 PM
was reading the Mourne Observer earlier and was amazed to read that Byransford have never won a minor title!!! who was won the most minor titles.. Mayobridge have three 80, 97,99

This is only our third final - 1980 & 1991 were the other two, Mickey Linden played against (beat!) us in 80 when we had Francie McKibben (current Manager) coming back from winning the og sport at Gormanstown to play in the final, 91 team was Paul Burns,Aidan Shields etc Ballyholland beat us that day.

Hope you read about the Anti Social behaviour going on in the Bridge Tommy, and meeting the PSNI ;) to sort it out, Either you lot are on the Mundies again or you will be leading a vigilante group to sort the problem out! ;D

Its outsiders, all our young lads are too busy training for the 12th..... ;)

we still would have won in 1980, the manager had his homework done ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 24, 2008, 04:15:42 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 23, 2008, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 23, 2008, 03:33:30 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 23, 2008, 11:43:17 AM
IHC final on Saturday in Downpatrick, Liatroim v Portaferry. I'd expect Liatroim to win this. Ports will be missing Dule & Eamon Adair from their semi final win over Newry Shamrocks. Liatoim have improved this year and if they win on Saturday could give Ulster a run.

Are you refereeing it Bacon or have you retired from that?

Mowglie is the referee. No better man!!


Aye, at least he lets it go a bit unlike the walking rule book who got a ribbing by Ger Lock down in Croker in the interprovincial final.

He's hung up the red referees jersey I hear!

8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 24, 2008, 04:17:43 PM
Just checked the odds on Sundays game with Paddypower

Mayobridge (1 - 6 )
Loughinisland (5 - 1)
Draw (9 - 1)

The only club game with more one sided odds is Armagh where Cross are (1 - 14) and Aramgh harps are (8 - 1).  Being part of a consortium which lost 4k on a 1-4 bet back in 2003 I'll not be putting any money on the Bridge this year.  Those odds aren't worth the risk.  Are Hughes' giving anything better?

   
   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 24, 2008, 04:25:52 PM
was wondering what the odds would be - 5-1 against in a two horse race. may have to put a few quid on us at them odds
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 24, 2008, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 24, 2008, 04:15:42 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 23, 2008, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 23, 2008, 03:33:30 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 23, 2008, 11:43:17 AM
IHC final on Saturday in Downpatrick, Liatroim v Portaferry. I'd expect Liatroim to win this. Ports will be missing Dule & Eamon Adair from their semi final win over Newry Shamrocks. Liatoim have improved this year and if they win on Saturday could give Ulster a run.

Are you refereeing it Bacon or have you retired from that?

Mowglie is the referee. No better man!!


Aye, at least he lets it go a bit unlike the walking rule book who got a ribbing by Ger Lock down in Croker in the interprovincial final.

He's hung up the red referees jersey I hear!

8)

Loughnanne was out of order what he said. It was just because Deccy's from Ulster. Typical snobish behaviour from Loughnane.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 24, 2008, 04:42:42 PM
Quote from: amallon on September 24, 2008, 04:17:43 PM
Just checked the odds on Sundays game with Paddypower

Mayobridge (1 - 6 )
Loughinisland (5 - 1)
Draw (9 - 1)

The only club game with more one sided odds is Armagh where Cross are (1 - 14) and Aramgh harps are (8 - 1).  Being part of a consortium which lost 4k on a 1-4 bet back in 2003 I'll not be putting any money on the Bridge this year.  Those odds aren't worth the risk.  Are Hughes' giving anything better?


i reckon Hughes will give better odds than that!!! Hughes will probably give -5 5/6
   
   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 24, 2008, 04:48:24 PM
Boylesports
Down SFC Final
   
28 Sep 16:00    Mayobridge vs Loughinisland            2/9    8/1    4/1   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 24, 2008, 05:21:22 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 24, 2008, 02:20:14 PM
was reading the Mourne Observer earlier and was amazed to read that Byransford have never won a minor title!!! who was won the most minor titles.. Mayobridge have three 80, 97,99

Rostrevor have 5 -  93, 03, 04, 05 and 07

Think Burren generally dominated Minors.  Clondiff also have a few.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 24, 2008, 05:27:34 PM
According to the county website Burren have 8
M.F.C.  1958, 1959, 1960, 1974, 1978, 1988, 1990, 1996

Clonduff have 5
M.F.C.  1985, 1987, 1993, 1994, 1995 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the derg on September 24, 2008, 05:32:59 PM
kevin anderson has only played a handful of games for aghaderg this year he has been playing in the states over the summer he did not play in semi final of junior championship yet was there watching .... is he good enough ? he deserves a chance i suppose and has talent but would love him to commit more to club as him and rory simpson could take us to top of divisio 3 but the bain of aghaderg is we are a feeder club for bigger clubs ... the farrell bros annaclone john mcareavey chris mcgovern tullylish marty burns (ok he got married and moved) dan strain drumgath etc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 24, 2008, 05:37:32 PM
Quote from: the derg on September 24, 2008, 05:32:59 PM
kevin anderson has only played a handful of games for aghaderg this year he has been playing in the states over the summer he did not play in semi final of junior championship yet was there watching .... is he good enough ? he deserves a chance i suppose and has talent but would love him to commit more to club as him and rory simpson could take us to top of divisio 3 but the bain of aghaderg is we are a feeder club for bigger clubs ... the farrell bros annaclone john mcareavey chris mcgovern tullylish marty burns (ok he got married and moved) dan strain drumgath etc

The derg had some great underage players when i was playing, why did John Mc leave???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 24, 2008, 05:40:11 PM
RGU have 7 titles 1961, 1962, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1976, 1983!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 24, 2008, 06:07:54 PM
Im not calling for MORE Shamrocks men on the panel.
Off the ones already on it I think only Damian Rafferty warrants a place. The fact Hugh Davey is on it is the biggest jke had he ven played a club game before he was called up this summer?

I think this idea of bringing in young guys is our problem guys come in at 20/23 come into panel for 4 & 5 years play none but also miss out on developing through regular club football and as a result never improve.
Lokk at James Colgan fantastic at minor but living on his past glories.

I think the best available at DIV I, II, III, & IV should all get looked at not some young guy who is Mayobridge or Hilltowns 5th or 6th best player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 24, 2008, 06:10:42 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 24, 2008, 06:07:54 PM
Im not calling for MORE Shamrocks men on the panel.
Off the ones already on it I think only Damian Rafferty warrants a place. The fact Hugh Davey is on it is the biggest jke had he ven played a club game before he was called up this summer?

I think this idea of bringing in young guys is our problem guys come in at 20/23 come into panel for 4 & 5 years play none but also miss out on developing through regular club football and as a result never improve.
Lokk at James Colgan fantastic at minor but living on his past glories.

I think the best available at DIV I, II, III, & IV should all get looked at not some young guy who is Mayobridge or Hilltowns 5th or 6th best player.

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 24, 2008, 06:33:08 PM
What I mean T O'Hare is yes boys like Conor Garvey and Shane O'Hare are good players but its easy to look good in a good team. I think boys like this would be better being told to concentrate on club football until they are ready to cahllenge for places, not just make up a squad list!
To often this has happened ann promising young players come out of a season with the county with basically a year wasted. No county football and very little club football under there belts

People may argue that being with the county is a benefit to young player through dietary & training advice but so many good young players have lost out on critical years of development in terms of playing football from being 29th or 30th man for the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on September 24, 2008, 08:42:38 PM
Quote from: the derg on September 24, 2008, 05:32:59 PM
kevin anderson has only played a handful of games for aghaderg this year he has been playing in the states over the summer he did not play in semi final of junior championship yet was there watching .... is he good enough ? he deserves a chance i suppose and has talent but would love him to commit more to club as him and rory simpson could take us to top of divisio 3 but the bain of aghaderg is we are a feeder club for bigger clubs ... the farrell bros annaclone john mcareavey chris mcgovern tullylish marty burns (ok he got married and moved) dan strain drumgath etc

That is a bit premature is it not?  If I am not mistaken, you are playing Dromara on Saturday evening, and if you lose you will be consigned to Division 4 for another year.
BTW, will you be at full strength on Sat, with Simpson, Anderson et al available?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael on September 24, 2008, 09:18:52 PM
 Carryduff v Bredagh NOW CANCELLED .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: heighway on September 24, 2008, 10:40:22 PM
talkin to some Bridge men today reckon at least 8 pts in it, cant decide if their confident or arrogant! ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 25, 2008, 08:33:20 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 24, 2008, 04:15:42 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 23, 2008, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 23, 2008, 03:33:30 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 23, 2008, 11:43:17 AM
IHC final on Saturday in Downpatrick, Liatroim v Portaferry. I'd expect Liatroim to win this. Ports will be missing Dule & Eamon Adair from their semi final win over Newry Shamrocks. Liatoim have improved this year and if they win on Saturday could give Ulster a run.

Are you refereeing it Bacon or have you retired from that?

Mowglie is the referee. No better man!!


Aye, at least he lets it go a bit unlike the walking rule book who got a ribbing by Ger Lock down in Croker in the interprovincial final.

He's hung up the red referees jersey I hear!

8)

Liatroim v Portaferry in the IHC final has been moved to Kilclief on Sunday at 1.00. Liatroim to win by 4-5 points but they haven't played a match for a month so they could be rusty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whacker on September 25, 2008, 08:36:43 AM
Quote from: guevara on September 24, 2008, 06:33:08 PM
What I mean T O'Hare is yes boys like Conor Garvey and Shane O'Hare are good players but its easy to look good in a good team. I think boys like this would be better being told to concentrate on club football until they are ready to cahllenge for places, not just make up a squad list!
To often this has happened ann promising young players come out of a season with the county with basically a year wasted. No county football and very little club football under there belts

People may argue that being with the county is a benefit to young player through dietary & training advice but so many good young players have lost out on critical years of development in terms of playing football from being 29th or 30th man for the county

Would go out on a limb and say Conor Garvey has being one of the players of the championship and Down seriously needs lads like this on their team never mind the squad! Has played in at least 3 different positions this year and has never looked out of place.   Cool and composed on the ball, strong runner and very good fielder, he has all the attributes to make it at this level.  Think you's boys need to worry about alot more things than bringing Conor Garvey onto the panel or not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 25, 2008, 08:59:23 AM
Garvey is a fine player, but I've a funny feeling he would be a more effective forward than defender at county level - and I don't know if he'd be a better forward than the 6-8 regulars already in the forward line. Certainly i wouldn't consider him a better option for the the full-back line than his teammates Barry and Grant.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on September 25, 2008, 10:00:15 AM
Heard again last night lads that another Shamrocks player got the call - Kieran Courtney, the county hurler! Also Jason Brown of Clonduff got the call aswell. Would also go as far as to say that realistically the only new player that will have a good chance of starting come championship is Kevin Duffin imo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Old Bill on September 25, 2008, 10:11:44 AM
Quote from: Whacker on September 25, 2008, 08:36:43 AM
Quote from: guevara on September 24, 2008, 06:33:08 PM
What I mean T O'Hare is yes boys like Conor Garvey and Shane O'Hare are good players but its easy to look good in a good team. I think boys like this would be better being told to concentrate on club football until they are ready to cahllenge for places, not just make up a squad list!
To often this has happened ann promising young players come out of a season with the county with basically a year wasted. No county football and very little club football under there belts

People may argue that being with the county is a benefit to young player through dietary & training advice but so many good young players have lost out on critical years of development in terms of playing football from being 29th or 30th man for the county

Would go out on a limb and say Conor Garvey has being one of the players of the championship and Down seriously needs lads like this on their team never mind the squad! Has played in at least 3 different positions this year and has never looked out of place.   Cool and composed on the ball, strong runner and very good fielder, he has all the attributes to make it at this level.  Think you's boys need to worry about alot more things than bringing Conor Garvey onto the panel or not.
Would have to agree wit you there whack.  Definitely gave Hughes his fill of it in the semi v saval in the full back line and has played well any time i have seen him in the half back line. The likes of Simpson, Courtney and Anderson wouldn cut it at county level IMHO. The likes of Garvey, Duffin and maybe Brown could do.  Colgan remains a enigma to me!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 25, 2008, 10:36:32 AM
QuoteLiatroim v Portaferry in the IHC final has been moved to Kilclief on Sunday at 1.00. Liatroim to win by 4-5 points but they haven't played a match for a month so they could be rusty.

We played Liatroim about 3 weeks ago, they had a few injuries, lads in casts and on crutches.
Ballela play Naomh Colmcille from Tyrone in the Ulster Junior Hurling Championship in Newry @ 12 on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 25, 2008, 10:58:18 AM
Quote from: Bacon on September 24, 2008, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 24, 2008, 04:15:42 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 23, 2008, 04:18:53 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 23, 2008, 03:33:30 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 23, 2008, 11:43:17 AM
IHC final on Saturday in Downpatrick, Liatroim v Portaferry. I'd expect Liatroim to win this. Ports will be missing Dule & Eamon Adair from their semi final win over Newry Shamrocks. Liatoim have improved this year and if they win on Saturday could give Ulster a run.

Are you refereeing it Bacon or have you retired from that?

Mowglie is the referee. No better man!!


Aye, at least he lets it go a bit unlike the walking rule book who got a ribbing by Ger Lock down in Croker in the interprovincial final.

He's hung up the red referees jersey I hear!

8)

Loughnanne was out of order what he said. It was just because Deccy's from Ulster. Typical snobish behaviour from Loughnane.


loughnane certainly likes the sound of his own voice and apart from the goal/no goal which Gouzer missed as opposed to Deccy, a mistake anyone could have made he was right about the 'general play' which was stop start all the way through. Common sense needs to be applied and Deccy can be a bit lacking in that.

Bacon,
      has Deccy hung up the famed red jersey which Mowglie can't get his hands on unless he steals it out of Deccys bag?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 25, 2008, 11:30:10 AM
I think there should be some sort of inquiry held into the amount of Shamrocks men gettin called into this county squad.No-one can deny that if ur from Shamrocks you've got a better chance of gettin on the panel than if ur from any other club.If they have so many good players why are they not leading division2?why are they not in the intermediate final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on September 25, 2008, 11:44:09 AM
Its obviously DJs influence at work here. Hugh Davey played a few club games this year. I couldnt say he was motm in any of them, but I feel he is there on "potential". I would keep Kevin McGuigan and D Raff on the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 25, 2008, 12:07:53 PM
There's a wee place outside Crossgar called Darragh Cross which has been overlooked for county panellists for years now!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 25, 2008, 12:39:31 PM
Quote from: heighway on September 24, 2008, 10:40:22 PM
talkin to some Bridge men today reckon at least 8 pts in it, cant decide if their confident or arrogant! ??? ??? ???

Thats your first post Heighway!!! i think your winding, eberyone in the Bridge knows this is going to be a tough one, Loughinland are physically stronger than us, its going to be a battle, championships are never won easily!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 25, 2008, 12:59:41 PM
Quote from: maldini on September 25, 2008, 12:07:53 PM
There's a wee place outside Crossgar called Darragh Cross which has been overlooked for county panellists for years now!

tom McMahon was on the senior panel for a good few years, is he not from Darragh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 25, 2008, 03:05:23 PM
Does McGourty not line out for Darragh Cross???

ANOTHER Shamrocks man is a disgrace and proves the "Its all who you know" theory with regard to county selection. Ive seen K Courtney play this year and he is anonymous in games. How are guys like this being called up???

I'll update you all more after our weekend game with Shamrocks that I'm heading to watch!! Somehow I cant see headlines being about Kieran Courtney!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on September 25, 2008, 03:19:12 PM
Is Packie Downey back on the panel??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 25, 2008, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: western exile on September 24, 2008, 08:42:38 PM
Quote from: the derg on September 24, 2008, 05:32:59 PM
kevin anderson has only played a handful of games for aghaderg this year he has been playing in the states over the summer he did not play in semi final of junior championship yet was there watching .... is he good enough ? he deserves a chance i suppose and has talent but would love him to commit more to club as him and rory simpson could take us to top of divisio 3 but the bain of aghaderg is we are a feeder club for bigger clubs ... the farrell bros annaclone john mcareavey chris mcgovern tullylish marty burns (ok he got married and moved) dan strain drumgath etc

That is a bit premature is it not?  If I am not mistaken, you are playing Dromara on Saturday evening, and if you lose you will be consigned to Division 4 for another year.
BTW, will you be at full strength on Sat, with Simpson, Anderson et al available?



I heard from a Dromara player that you where mean't to play them last Saturday and couldn't field a team so Dromara agreed to put the match back a week.  Not a good sign if you's are hoping to get to the top of division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the derg on September 25, 2008, 04:44:10 PM
we are always struggling for numbers but if the better players would commit then the younger/less talented automatically row in behind the difference between div3 and 4 is small and a couple of better players can make a vast difference at that level ..... john mcareavey left to play at a highar standard of football wich is quite ironic as both clubs played div 3 for a couple of years and possibly we both could be back in 3 this year..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on September 25, 2008, 09:23:50 PM
Quote from: the derg on September 25, 2008, 04:44:10 PM
we are always struggling for numbers but if the better players would commit then the younger/less talented automatically row in behind the difference between div3 and 4 is small and a couple of better players can make a vast difference at that level ..... john mcareavey left to play at a highar standard of football wich is quite ironic as both clubs played div 3 for a couple of years and possibly we both could be back in 3 this year..

So, are you confident that you will win ALL 4 of your remaining games AND Dromara will lose both of their 2 remaining matches then?  AND you still manage to get a better points difference? 

Current Division 4 Table.    Top 2 promoted and there are no playoffs.

                     Played   Points      diff
St Johns          17         32         +221
Dromara           18         27        +127
------------------------------------------------------
Aghaderg         16         21         +74
Bright              18         15            -4
Ballykinlar         18         8          -204
Aughlisnafin      18        1          -213


This Saturday evening  Aghaderg v. Dromara  5.30pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Old Bill on September 25, 2008, 09:27:06 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 23, 2008, 10:17:10 PM
Quote from: the derg on September 23, 2008, 02:43:30 PM
rory played midfield on same minor team as dan gordon great left foot strong player needs lots of hard training to get fit certainly worth looking at if he commits


Bad sign when a person from players own club is pointing out his lack of fitness! Was the fella injured or is he just not very fit?
Guys Ive been impressed with from watching  Div II (Im deliberately leaving out anyone from my own club Warrenpoint)

Paddy Feeney - Banbridge
Marcus McGrath - Darragh Cross
Eoin McGuinness - Shamrocks


Would that be marcus miskelly?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 25, 2008, 10:29:00 PM
Apart from a few anomalies involving Mayobridge men and a couple of youngsters like Duffin, Ross's first 18-25 players hasn't been that far off the mark over the past two seasons. The players at the back-end of the panel could easily be interchanged with 25 other players from club football and it wouldn't make a bit of difference either way - none are going to play Championship football. So maybe Ross and DJ's plan of filling those spaces with Shamrocks men isn't that sinister at all, maybe it just saves them building up players they don't know, to then have to tell them that they aren't up to scratch.

Nearly all the names been bandied about above suffer from one or more of these things: a lack of pace, a lack of strength, or a lack of athleticism. Without at least two of these three things in abundance, players have no chance of making it at the top level, and I wish people would bear that in mind before throwing more stupid names into the hat. I'm not going to pick on individuals, but I nearly spat out at some of the players being touted for our county team.

Players who should get a chance though are Darren Cunningham of Saval at wing half-back, where his combination of footballing ability, athelticism and defending would be very welcome, and the returning from injury duo of Peter Fitzpatrick (Ballymartin) and Benny McArdle (Annaclone), who are two tremendous athletes. I think the latter two have been called up anyway. Jarlath Farrell of Rostrevor is another one too possibly, but his stature counts against him.


By the way, James Colgan might be surrounded by hype, but he is still one of our top 4-5 options at midfield, and should be on the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on September 25, 2008, 11:38:10 PM
Amazing buzz around Loughinisland during build up to this final. Would be a massive fillip to game development in East Down if they could succeed in winning it. Terrific to see so many young kids being enthused, and full marks to local primary school which is bedecked in blue and white
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 25, 2008, 11:59:26 PM
I understand why our squad was named so early last year, as we were going through one of our regular periods of uncertainty and a poor start to the league would have meant that the disastrous prospect of relegation to div 4 and the Tommy Murphy Cup was a real possibility. However, I think we have clearly moved on from there and, barring injuries to key players, promotion to the second division should be well within our grasp. Starting the whole process again in September seems premature if we are serious about a campaign which should last into August of 2009.

I agree with Wobbler that Colgan should be involved, but it would appear that the management were less than impressed with his commitment after we lost to Armagh. Colgan recovered from a poor opening period that day to put in a promising effort at midfield in his first ever championship start. He stayed firmly on the bench for the qualifiers, so something subsequently went astray. His former St Louis colleague Peter Fitzpatrick is big enough to do the job and can take a score as well. If his pace returns after his injury, he deserves his chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on September 26, 2008, 12:02:56 AM
I know a lot of you will be mad to get to this. You can read about the tragedy and the Gearld Fearon appeal at www.gfmemorialday.com. I am sure youhave read about it in the news over the last two years. A lot more names to be added that I will update, anyone likely to head?

In case you cant see the writing it is Armagh v An allstar select managed by Joe Kernan and Mickey Harte:

Ref:Pat McEnaney

Players: include : Kierna McGeeney, Conor Mortimer, Graham Geraghty, Paddy Bradley, Seanie Johnston, Paul Barden, Karol Mannion, Eamon O'Hara, Ross Munnelly, Brian Dooher, BRyan Cullen, Marty McGrath.

Saturday, October 18th. Dromintee.

Golden Oldies too - names to be revealed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 26, 2008, 09:13:58 AM
did you hear the news today? st johns gaelic club burnt to the ground. i understand it was deliberate. they play in the final on sunday. very sad news. times have still not changed in the six counties
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the derg on September 26, 2008, 09:16:33 AM
you will note western that i used the word "possibly" in my posting  is it true that St JOHNS CLUB WAS BURNT TO THE GROUND LAST NIGHT ? i was up round that part of the county recently and loads of buzz bunting anticipation about the fact they were in the junior final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 26, 2008, 09:40:49 AM
Quote from: islandboy on September 26, 2008, 09:13:58 AM
did you hear the news today? st johns gaelic club burnt to the ground. i understand it was deliberate. they play in the final on sunday. very sad news. times have still not changed in the six counties

Where did you hear that Islandboy? Shocking news if it's true.There's been a right few club houses burned in the past - Bryansford, Ballycran, Ballygalget.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 26, 2008, 10:02:59 AM
heard first thing this morning lecale 2. definitely true. i heard it was totally burnt to the ground not just minor damage. hope it does not effect there preparations for sunday-
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on September 26, 2008, 10:08:48 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7637304.stm

A GAA clubhouse in County Down has been destroyed by a fire.

The fire and rescue service were called to St John's clubhouse at Drumnaquoile, near Castlewellan, at about 0700 on Wednesday.

It is not yet known what started the fire. Jacqui McMullan from the club said "hundreds of thousands of pounds worth" of damage had been caused.

"We had refurbishing done, equipment and a lot of valuable trophies," she said.

"On Sunday we are going to play a junior championship final in Newry so this is a big day coming up. Now we have been set back a bit."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 26, 2008, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: islandboy on September 26, 2008, 10:02:59 AM
heard first thing this morning lecale 2. definitely true. i heard it was totally burnt to the ground not just minor damage. hope it does not effect there preparations for sunday-

was going to say the same thing, hope it doesn't distract them from sunday's game!! after the putting us out, would hope they go on to win it!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on September 26, 2008, 10:10:32 AM
Aye this story was covered on Radio Ulster this morning, they interviewed the Chairwoman, Jackie McMullan. The club rooms are  a complete write-off apparently, I hope to god this doesn't turn out to have been deliberate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 26, 2008, 10:34:27 AM
Thats tough on the club.  I remember playing there in the thirds championship and they had one of the best playing surfaces in the county a great pitch.  I can't remember much about their club house.  There will be a lot of good will to the club from right across the county and hopefully this is reflected in generous donations from GAA people to help them get back on their feet.

There are too many half wits on both sides going around burning halls, chrurches, club rooms etc..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 26, 2008, 10:41:07 AM
I'd also like to pass on my condolences and goodwill to any st johns posters also from Longstone football club.  This will be devastating news for the club after all their hard work in the last few years to develop their grounds.  I hope this wasn't deliberate and maybe an electrical fault or something similar!  Good luck to the club this Sunday!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 26, 2008, 12:02:13 PM
Thats a nice gesture from the Ford and the other clubs who offered their facilities. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 26, 2008, 12:15:27 PM
Does anyone know if the County final on sunday is on TG4?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 26, 2008, 12:20:03 PM
I don't think so bitta-banter.  5FM are doing it though.
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Post by: Green+Gold on September 26, 2008, 12:20:25 PM
TG4 are showing 3 All Ireland ladies finals on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 26, 2008, 12:46:39 PM
did anyone listen to talkback, that Jim Wells is a p***k!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 26, 2008, 12:49:38 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 26, 2008, 11:58:35 AM
Just spoke to the Sec of St Johns and offered her Bryansford's facilities or anything they require for the weekend and thereafter, she said the place was gutted throughout and was just a shell, she also added that alot of clubs had rang and offered like us, which is good to see.

this is what i love about the GAA!! no matter what happens on the pitch, when a club needs help, there will always be other clubs willing to lend their assistance!! Maith Thu Ath Bhriain!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 26, 2008, 12:57:15 PM
t o hare what did that bigot say?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 26, 2008, 01:01:28 PM
He just kept going on about how in that area that a lot of orange halls have been hit by arson and he hopes it would nt start tit for tit vandalism... He couldn't come out and say that it was a disgrace!!!!!!! He is a hateful bigot !!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 26, 2008, 01:08:08 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 26, 2008, 01:01:28 PM
He just kept going on about how in that area that a lot of orange halls have been hit by arson and he hopes it would nt start tit for tit vandalism... He couldn't come out and say that it was a disgrace!!!!!!! He is a hateful bigot !!!!!!

the only answer to the c***ts is build it bigger and better than the last time.

it used to be that if an illegal organisation called to accept responsibility, (in our case the red hand defenders) then the NIO had to cough up, otherwise it may be the clubs own insurance. I don't know if that has changed in recent years.
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Post by: D4S on September 26, 2008, 02:00:57 PM
Wells...the same c**t who made comments on radio on monday "It's good when a British team wins an international competition such as this"...Mickey Harte kept a dignified silence!  As Ronan Keating said 'you say it best when you say nothing at all;)!'

ANyway back to Sunday here's Hughes bookmakers betting

1/4 MAYOBRIDGE  8/1  L'ISLAND 3/1
4/5      -5            8/1       +5      1/1

2/7 ST JOHNS    8/1    BRIGHT      5/2
4/5      -4         8/1         +4        1/1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 26, 2008, 02:01:54 PM

Wells...the same c**t who made comments on radio on monday "It's good when a British team wins an international competition such as this"...Mickey Harte kept a dignified silence!  As Ronan Keating said 'you say it best when you say nothing at all ;)!'

ANyway back to Sunday here's Hughes bookmakers betting

1/4 MAYOBRIDGE  8/1  L'ISLAND 3/1
4/5      -5            8/1       +5      1/1

2/7 ST JOHNS    8/1    BRIGHT      5/2
4/5      -4         8/1         +4        1/1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on September 26, 2008, 04:13:48 PM
Frick that man Wells is a total c**t!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on September 26, 2008, 04:26:28 PM
Quote from: D4S on September 26, 2008, 02:01:54 PM

Wells...the same c**t who made comments on radio on monday "It's good when a British team wins an international competition such as this"...Mickey Harte kept a dignified silence!  As Ronan Keating said 'you say it best when you say nothing at all ;)!'

ANyway back to Sunday here's Hughes bookmakers betting

1/4 MAYOBRIDGE  8/1  L'ISLAND 3/1
4/5      -5            8/1       +5      1/1

2/7 ST JOHNS    8/1    BRIGHT      5/2
4/5      -4         8/1         +4        1/1

D4S I believe that it was the Minister for Sport, Gregory Campbell who made that comment, but would have to say that in my view Jim Wells is a little bollix, who opposes anything to do with Nationalists, be it in business, sport or pleasure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 26, 2008, 04:31:48 PM
Not long to go til sunday. still think we have a good chance of an upset. we are under no pressure, the pressure is all on the bridge. cant wait now. it should be a good hard game of football. good buzz around the village, we should have quite a lot of support with us so there should be a good atmosphere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 26, 2008, 04:44:11 PM
Yes you're right mournerambler it was gregory campbell...just goes to show that all them DUP boys are the same...they're the most bigotted shower, the one group of people where I think it is ok to use the word HATE!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 26, 2008, 04:57:18 PM
Great to see the Ford offering their services to St Johns. Shows what a strong organisation we are. Hopefully, St Johns can rebuild their club houses bigger and better.

Louis Sloan has also been called to the county panel. From what ive seen in Division 2 this year, Peter Fitzpatrick, Conor Maginn and Brendan McArdle would be three very good options for the county panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 26, 2008, 05:11:27 PM
Quote from: islandboy on September 26, 2008, 04:31:48 PM
Not long to go til sunday. still think we have a good chance of an upset. we are under no pressure, the pressure is all on the bridge. cant wait now. it should be a good hard game of football. good buzz around the village, we should have quite a lot of support with us so there should be a good atmosphere.

I hope your right Island Boy.  But i dont think the Bridge will feel under any pressure at all actually.  They have been there so many times now it will be second nature to them. For Loughinisland however it is something they have never experienced before.  Believe me, it is like nothing else if you havent experienced it before.  As can be seen frm the majority of results in Mayobridges finals, the other team very often crumbles on the day.  Burren, Annaclone, Ourselves all have slumped to heavy defeats to them. 

On the other hand, you could be like the stone, and play out of your skins on the day.  They really should have taken the bridge last year, but that shows exactly what it takes to win it.  You have to play well AND be lucky.  Good luck!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 26, 2008, 06:12:02 PM
Quote from: Super Dupe on September 26, 2008, 05:11:27 PM
Quote from: islandboy on September 26, 2008, 04:31:48 PM
Not long to go til sunday. still think we have a good chance of an upset. we are under no pressure, the pressure is all on the bridge. cant wait now. it should be a good hard game of football. good buzz around the village, we should have quite a lot of support with us so there should be a good atmosphere.

I hope your right Island Boy.  But i dont think the Bridge will feel under any pressure at all actually.  They have been there so many times now it will be second nature to them. For Loughinisland however it is something they have never experienced before.  Believe me, it is like nothing else if you havent experienced it before.  As can be seen frm the majority of results in Mayobridges finals, the other team very often crumbles on the day.  Burren, Annaclone, Ourselves all have slumped to heavy defeats to them. 

On the other hand, you could be like the stone, and play out of your skins on the day.  They really should have taken the bridge last year, but that shows exactly what it takes to win it.  You have to play well AND be lucky.  Good luck!!

take it Rostrevor will be supporting the island then  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: milltown row on September 26, 2008, 07:00:25 PM
while its a terrible thing that happened to St Johns and i hope they do well in the final (i worked with one of their managers for a few years) this type of thing will continue unless the arseholes who go around setting fire to Orange Halls and churches and Gaelic Clubs are caught and jailed.

it has to stop and pricks like Wells and Campbell need to use positives when they address the media. no doubt some p***k who'd possibly burn something else down will feel vindicated for burning down an Orange hall tomorrow night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 26, 2008, 08:18:50 PM
St. Johns v Bright..... St. Johns
Annaclone v Darragh Cross... Could go either way, sneaky feeling Darragh
Mayobridge v island... Island
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 26, 2008, 11:41:54 PM
would love to see someone else winnin the championship but can't see past the bridge again. Although the island have a lot of quality i think it could be the same as last year, draw and replay win for the bridge!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 27, 2008, 12:03:45 AM
Well just like to say that was an awful thing that happened to St Johns, hope they get over it soon. I know what its like, the bridge changing rooms got a real wrecking and everyone involved with the club were seething! Although this is alot worse.

Well on to sunday, not being arrogant but think we'll win by 8 plus points. Watched Island against Burren, thought they were poor enough. Burren really could have beaten them or at least drew! all they have are 3 maybe 4 decent players on their side!  Bridge too good all over the pitch, with the scoring power of the Sextons, Pluggs, Walsh and of course our Benny!
So hopefully five in a row come sunday! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on September 27, 2008, 09:43:45 AM
just reading bridge lads comments - i think the bridge are far too cocky and that will work in loughinislands favour,   
If dan can give a big game on sunday and control the middle, ive no doubt the ohare cup will be coming east on sunday evening! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 27, 2008, 12:27:01 PM
mayobridge
annaclone
st johns
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 27, 2008, 06:28:01 PM
PRFC final result
Mayobridge 1.9 Burren 0.7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 27, 2008, 06:31:18 PM
Was going though Loughinisland today and the place is cover with their flags. They were telling me that they are very confidence of taking O'Hare Cup to island tomorrow evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 27, 2008, 08:28:35 PM
Division 3 result:

Glasdrumman 3-14
Glenn 1-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 27, 2008, 08:56:29 PM
Any other results from today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on September 27, 2008, 09:07:55 PM
Tullylish beat bryansford by a point.

Darragh Cross 0-07 Clann na Banna 1-15 (i think)

For those saying about Kevy Anderson not playing for Aghaderg, he has been with Sigerson and under21 teams and also been injured quite a bit (the mans made of chocolate :D), as far as I know he wasn't allowed to play for Aghaderg on the championship as he was signed for the team in America
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on September 27, 2008, 09:35:07 PM
Kilclief 2-10 Annaclone 1-15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 27, 2008, 09:48:25 PM
Two excellent games in Ballyholland today. The Town beat Rostrevor in the Reserve Final and the Bridge beat Burren in the Premier Reserve Final....the Premier Reserve Final was notable for a few things...young Aaron Ward from Burren got badly hurt and had to be taken to hospital with what looked like a neck injury...hope he has a speedy recovery. Mickey Linden hoisted over two superb points for the bridge just when they needed them...and finally one of our colleagues on here was drafted in with two minutes to go to settle the the ship for the bridge. Well done Tommy ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 27, 2008, 10:06:45 PM
Yea have to agree Sam, premier reserve match was a clinker! Mickey Linden is a pure legend, 45 years of age and the fastest man on the field unreal! Would still be an option for many senior teams throughout the county, brilliant! Some great point taking and could maybe have had a few goals! BigTom, only for him steady the ship he did!
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Post by: 5 Sams on September 27, 2008, 10:49:37 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on September 27, 2008, 10:06:45 PM
Yea have to agree Sam, premier reserve match was a clinker! Mickey Linden is a pure legend, 45 years of age and the fastest man on the field unreal! Would still be an option for many senior teams throughout the county, brilliant! Some great point taking and could maybe have had a few goals! BigTom, only for him steady the ship he did!

A few boys around me were saying...fcuk I still wouldnt like to be chasing Mickey Linden. His free from the hands from about 60 yards out was class. Well done to the bridge....first of a treble????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 28, 2008, 04:16:25 AM
heard that bosco beat st micks by 6
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Post by: bridgegael on September 28, 2008, 09:35:15 AM
well done to 'bridge 2nds yesterday in a very hard tough game with burren.  as said already here mickey linden is a legend,  scoring 1-4 at the age of 45 in a match like that is unreal,  the man could go on forever!!!!  the most decorated 2nds player in Down football came on at the end to steady the ship and give his experience to the young lads,  he had a career threating injury and was out of football for over a year good to see you back tommy!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on September 28, 2008, 10:32:04 AM
Good Luck to both teams today. Its hard to see anything but a comfortable win for the bridge, but you never know.
Sadly I cant make the game today, I have a charity event to attend down the country and will also be well out of range of 5fm. It would be greatly appreciated if someone could post up some updates.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 28, 2008, 01:06:42 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on September 28, 2008, 09:35:15 AM
well done to 'bridge 2nds yesterday in a very hard tough game with burren.  as said already here mickey linden is a legend,  scoring 1-4 at the age of 45 in a match like that is unreal,  the man could go on forever!!!!  the most decorated 2nds player in Down football came on at the end to steady the ship and give his experience to the young lads,  he had a career threating injury and was out of football for over a year good to see you back tommy!!!!

As i said last night records are made to be broken!!! i hope someone breaks my record some day!!! :L :L
Mickey Linden is unreal, the game was tight with fifteen to go when one of our lads went on with water to him, he fused a drink saying he needed to get a point first... he won the next ball beat his man and fired it over... unbelievable... he laughed when i said "see ya next year Mickey".... he could play for years yet!!!!
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Post by: Lecale2 on September 28, 2008, 02:16:20 PM
IHC final half time Portaferry 2-4 Liatroim 0-5
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Post by: No1 on September 28, 2008, 03:17:18 PM
That looks like we are fucked now.  What is the craic with Tullylish beating Bryansford?  Where yiz all on the beer spirit?  Cloneman, what did you think of the referee in our game?
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Post by: mournerambler on September 28, 2008, 04:09:05 PM
Bridge a point up & Dan Gordon has been replaced due to injury.
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Post by: supersub on September 28, 2008, 04:25:17 PM
rostrevor beat an rioct last night 4-13 1-12 or something like that! kingdom were pretty poor!
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Post by: cloneman on September 28, 2008, 04:32:15 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 28, 2008, 03:17:18 PM
That looks like we are fucked now.  What is the craic with Tullylish beating Bryansford?  Where yiz all on the beer spirit?  Cloneman, what did you think of the referee in our game?

I thought the referee wasn't too bad, he let a lot more go than we are used to seeing when we head up that part of the world.   :P
I take it you would disagree given the reaction of your lads at the end of the match.
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Post by: mournerambler on September 28, 2008, 04:35:07 PM
Loughinisland 0:6     Mayobridge 0:4 @ half-time
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Post by: DownFanatic on September 28, 2008, 04:35:42 PM
Halftime

Mayobridge 0-04  Loughinisland 0-06

Bridge seem to be struggling. Gordon's loss hasnt seemed to affect the Island. The Blues are dominating possession.
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Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 28, 2008, 05:04:02 PM
Any more updates
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 28, 2008, 05:05:53 PM
Bridge 0-11 to 0-07 up with about 13 minutes left.

Mickey Walsh has made a real difference since he came on. Benny starting to come more in to it. Noel Sexton has just missed a penalty.
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Post by: Our Nail Loney on September 28, 2008, 05:06:22 PM
cheers df
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Post by: DownFanatic on September 28, 2008, 05:13:14 PM
Power has gone at Pairc Esler. 5FM have lost their feed. Only about 5 minutes left at this stage.
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Post by: DownFanatic on September 28, 2008, 05:21:16 PM
Injury time - Bridge up by 3!
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Post by: supersub on September 28, 2008, 05:25:28 PM
bridge won by 4!
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Post by: DownFanatic on September 28, 2008, 05:26:59 PM
Bridge win 0-12 to 0-08.

Seemed to be a shite game. Pretty muted atmosphere.
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Post by: Whitehair on September 28, 2008, 06:27:59 PM
Both the JF and SF finals were poor, the shooting in the JF particularly atrocious. I thought we were going to be set for a cracking Senior Final as when both teams split from the parade a few players clashed with John Mc Carthy(i think) landing a few digs busting Brendan Grants nose. That was probably the pinacle of the excitement IMO. Loughinisland lost their half-time advantage within 5min of the restart and where then penned in their own half for the majority of the half. I suppose Dan Gordon would have made a major difference in that respect.

IHC Final: Portaferry 5.11 Liatroim 1.12

Ulster JHC: Ballela 6.14 Naomh Colmcille 2.7
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Post by: stpauls on September 28, 2008, 06:37:32 PM
what was the score in the Junior final?
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Post by: D4S on September 28, 2008, 06:53:33 PM
Congratulations to St Johns and Mayobridge on their wins.  Very poor final, atmosphere never really got going and was a poor game.  There were no stand out players that you would have said he had a great game, alan molloy got man of match he was good in first half not in it so much 2nd half, but he deserved the award as there was nobody else that played that great.

Fair dues to the Bridge 5 in a row, need 1 more to match Burrens record and equal burren and bryansford with 11 titles.  They will need to improve a lot though if they want to make an impact this year on ulster, hope they do! Congrats!
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Post by: No1 on September 28, 2008, 06:58:13 PM
QuoteI thought the referee wasn't too bad, he let a lot more go than we are used to seeing when we head up that part of the world.  
I take it you would disagree given the reaction of your lads at the end of the match.

 I always thought the guy has carried a grudge against us and last night seemed to pan out as we thought it would!  I was just interested to read how somone from the other side would see it.  He certainly didn't beat us though.  You boys are a good, fast, fit and hard hitting team but your second half performance would worry me if I was an Annaclone man!

 Congrats to Mayobridge, every other club in Down should be looking to them for inspiration.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on September 28, 2008, 07:56:59 PM
Maybe this sounds like sour grapes cause the magpies were not in the final but on the basis of todays final, football in the county is at its lowest point for many a year. If there is anyone who can say that game had any positives or encoraging displays then you are having a laugh. Alan Molloy was the pick of the bunch as he was in the semi aswell against Burren which bodes well for the future of l'island!!!  As for atmosphere the crowd can only be lifted by the game they are watching and the crowd was flat so tells you all about the game,  they say that newcastle is old and outdated well I have been going to club finals and county league games in it for years and newry will never be able to generate an atmosphere like it did
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 28, 2008, 08:10:54 PM
As a neutral I thought todays Senior final was terrible. Both teams were very poor and very little good football was played. Benny kicked some horrible wides and he two O'Reillys seemed to carry the ball down blind alleyways for Loughinisland at times.
Dont think Gordon wouldve made big difference as he done very little in the semifinal against Burren.

Big "Magic" Johnson was very poor. Agree with some posts about Corrigan seeming to be biased to the Bridge. Seemed to allow countless closed fist tackles, encroachment on frees and only showing book for Yellow card offences. Also moved few Bridge frees up 13metres but wasnt doing same for Island.

If thats best in our county were fecked
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: milltown row on September 28, 2008, 08:26:11 PM
will Mayobridge beat Naomh Gall in the next round? we won in first gear and the game is in the marshes this year again. looking forward to a good match.

glad to hear St Johns won their match, Big Seamus Braniff good mate of mine. well done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on September 28, 2008, 08:28:32 PM
congrats to st johns on their victory today- after what the club has experienced this week they truely deserved their win!

well done to mayobridge, five in a row is some achievement- their half switches really changed things for them! walsh's passing to coulter  set the sides apart....alan molloy tried so hard and to his testament he picked up man of the match!

magic picked up a nasty injury in the dying minutes... hope he makes a speedy recovery.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on September 28, 2008, 08:31:12 PM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on September 28, 2008, 08:28:32 PM
congrats to st johns on their victory today- after what the club has experienced this week they truely deserved their win!

well done to mayobridge, five in a row is some achievement- their half switches really changed things for them! walsh's passing to coulter  set the sides apart....alan molloy tried so hard and to his testament he picked up man of the match!

magic picked up a nasty injury in the dying minutes... hope he makes a speedy recovery.



mayobridge came through today but i do think st galls will be too much for them...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 28, 2008, 09:00:14 PM
Prediction league
After RFC, PRFC, JFC and SFC.

4   D45
3   Amallon
3   Aristotle Flynn
3   downfanatic
3   Dulaney
3   off the laces
3   Umpire
2   Minus15
2   Niall Quinn
2   spiritof91and94
2   Square Ball
2   Statto-gael
1   dundrumite

Downfanatic is one  ahead of Nilall Quinn in overall league

IFC and MFC still to come on 12th OCT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 28, 2008, 09:55:22 PM
well done to the bridge and also st johns today im sure the lads will be on a heavy rip as we speak!! ddin't get up to it as was severly hungover all day, sorry to hear the finals weren't the best spectacles to watch! goodluck to the bridge in ulster too hopefully they can progress on from the last few years experience in it! and hope st johns can sort out the mess that some hooligans have heaped upon the club!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on September 29, 2008, 12:00:59 AM
Yes congratulations to both winners today but the standard in the Senior game was abysmal.
I think that Down needed a Loughinisland win today if only to freshen things up a bit, but losing Dan was undoubtedly a major blow, though it seemed to be common knowledge around these parts that he was injured during the week.
Could not understand why Magic was played on the square in the second half when not one single ball was played into him until the last minute.
L'island seemed to want to work the ball in but kept running up blind allies.
also believe that L'Island had to do much more to get a free than The Bridge and the penalty decision was terrible as your man ran at least 10 steps with the ball prior to being fouled.
Grett crowd in Newry but there would be more atmosphere at some U 12 games. It was like a mortuary for most of the game it was so silent.
Anyway good luck to both St John's and The Bridge in Ulster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on September 29, 2008, 01:24:37 AM
Terrible final, it would not be harsh to say that the ladies teams from both clubs would have played better football. Mayobridge deserved to win but are very unimpressive, if they harbour Ulster ambitions they are seriously deluded. I am really depressed about the current state of Down football, following this game today, absolutely no positives. The disappointing aspect for Loughinisland was that poor as they were ,with just a little more ambition they could have won this game , their second half display was so negative even their own supporters were lulled to sleep. Congragulations to St.Johns, well deserved victory in a junior final which in terms of skill and committment was marginally better than that served up by seniors. I cant remember a final so devoid of atmosphere, while the game itself could account for this, the ground itself being more than half empty did not help. Newcastle will be missed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 29, 2008, 08:00:04 AM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on September 28, 2008, 08:28:32 PM

magic picked up a nasty injury in the dying minutes... hope he makes a speedy recovery.


What happened to him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 29, 2008, 08:49:52 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 29, 2008, 08:00:04 AM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on September 28, 2008, 08:28:32 PM

magic picked up a nasty injury in the dying minutes... hope he makes a speedy recovery.


What happened to him?

He touched the ball and fell with the excitement! ;D The hype this lad generated was way over the top and he would be safer sticking to Hurling - how Ross Carr had him in the Down Squad beggars beleif.
Terrible game and atmosphere was nil - why our County Board pumped money into this place is a joke.
Fair play to Mayobridge but I feel wee James will put them to the sword in Ulster which will be another low for Down football - was impressed with young Brady and our minors will need to watch him in two weeks time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 29, 2008, 08:54:00 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 28, 2008, 03:17:18 PM
That looks like we are fucked now.  What is the craic with Tullylish beating Bryansford?  Where yiz all on the beer spirit?  Cloneman, what did you think of the referee in our game?

Adrian Carville stag weekend in Kilkenny - twelve players at it - one in USA - 2 injured, we used most of our seconds and 5 minors. Beat in the last kick but we need to get our act together for the play offs.
Title: harps v castlewellan
Post by: goldenyears on September 29, 2008, 11:14:38 AM
another game with points left behind for the harps! final score 1-10 to 0-13

feature of the game was greg mccartan's immaculate kicking off the ground, scored 1 from play and prob6 or 7 frees. c'wellan only scored 4 from play

harps played some lovely football and were 3 up at the break. struggled around the middle in the second half but 3 chances for scores at start of second half told the tale! lessons not learned from the first 2 or 3 games this year have killed us. man of match, joe murphy - awesome running from centre half back, younger brother of paul
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 29, 2008, 11:23:41 AM
Saturday 4th Oct 5 00pm
ACFL Div 1
Saval v Liatroim
Kilcoo v Mayobridge
Loughinisland v Clonduff
Ballyholland v Longstone
Rostrevor v Castlewellan
An Riocht v Burren
ACFL Div 2
Clann na Banna v Ballymartin
Warrenpoint v Attical
Shamrocks v Darragh Cross
Annaclone v Downpatrick
Tullylish v Kilclief
Bryansford v Dundrum
ACFL Div 3
Drumgath v St Pauls
Mitchels v Teconnaught
St Micheals v Saul
Bredagh v Bosco
Glenn v Carryduff
Ardglass v Glasdrumman
ACFL Div 4
Bright v Aghaderg
St Johns v Dromara
Sunday 5th October 1 00pm
ACPRL Div 1
Castlewellan v An Riocht
Liatroim v Burren
Bryansford v Downpatrick
Mayobridge v Rostrevor
Clonduff v Kilcoo
ACPRL Div 2
Longstone v Bredagh
Ballymartin v Carryduff
Kilclief v Annaclone
Warrenpoint v Saval
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Down Democrat SHC Final
Ballycran 2 30(Extra time if nescessary)
Baile Mhic Uileagoid v Port an Pheire(H Torney)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 29, 2008, 11:40:35 AM
Can anyone put up all the results from the weekend?
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 29, 2008, 11:42:06 AM
Here you go....

RFC Final
Caislean an Mhuillin 1 09 Caislean Ruairi 0 10
PRFC Final
Droichead Mhaigh Eo 1 08 Boireann 0 07
Democrat Media IHC Final
Liatroim 1 12 Port An Pheire 5 13
ACFL Div 1
Clonduff 0 11 Saval 0 11
Castlewellan 0 12 Ballyholland 1 09
An Riocht 1 12 Rostrevor 4 13
ACFL Div 2
Daragh Cross 0 07  Clanna na Banna 1 15
Ballymartin 0 13  Attical 2 06
Shamrocks 0 13 Warrenpoint 0 11
Kilclief 2 10 Annaclone 1 15
Downpatrick w/o  Dundrum d/f
Bryansford 1 13 Tullylish 2 11
ACFL Div 3
St Pauls 0 07 Drumaness 0 10
Teconnaught 4 09 Drumgath 0 14
Saul 0 13 Mitchels 1 10
St John Bosco 1 14 St Micheals 0 07
Carryduff  Bredagh OFF
Glassdrumman 3 14  Glenn 1 11
ACFL Div 4
Aghaderg 3 11 Dromara 0 07
ACHL Div 2
Ballyvarley v Warrenpoint
Junior Fotball Championship Final
Naomh Eoin 0 09 Breachtain 0 05
Powerade SFC Final
Droichead Mhaigh Eo 0 12 Loch an Oileain 0 08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 29, 2008, 11:52:46 AM
Can anyone post an up to date Division 2 league table?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 29, 2008, 12:46:12 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 29, 2008, 11:52:46 AM
Can anyone post an up to date Division 2 league table?


League table for A.C.F.L. Division 2
Team   P   W   L   D   Points For   Points Against   Points Diff   Pts
Bryansford    19   17   2   0   323   159   164   34
Clann na Banna    18   12   4   2   259   225   34   26
Annaclone    20   12   7   1   291   249   42   25
Warrenpoint    18   11   5   2   258   227   31   24
Shamrocks    19   11   8   0   248   248   0   22
Ballymartin    18   10   7   1   241   229   12   21
Darragh Cross    18   8   9   1   245   248   -3   17
Attical    20   8   11   1   217   251   -34   17
Downpatrick    19   8   11   0   239   248   -9   16
Tullylish    20   6   13   1   246   313   -67   13
Kilclief    18   4   13   1   242   276   -34   9
Dundrum    19   1   18   0   200   336   -136   2




 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 29, 2008, 01:11:08 PM
Darragh Cross i think have been awarded the points from the Dundrum game that was postponed earlier in the year so they are basically on 19 points.
If Tullylish beat Kilclief this week then there will be no relegation play-offs.Kilclief need to beat tullylish and then win another game to force playoffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 29, 2008, 01:38:05 PM
Although No 1 will not believe me i think Kilclief will stay up with tullylish away although would love another rattle at kilclief (do not see it coming for another couple off years)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on September 29, 2008, 01:46:15 PM
to be honest at the end of the day the standard of football in Down is poor. Mayobridge won the c/ship this year and basically played none in any of their 4 matches except for 10/15 minute spells of good football after half time in 3 of their matches which meant they had the game wrapped up without having to exert much effort. The Down c/ship isn't going to prepare the bridge for the hard hitting, fast paced games they will encounter in ulster and to some degree this has been their downfall. i think they have the potential to give Ulster a crack but st. Galls is a hell of a step up from anything they faced in down, a win against a team like st. Galls who are arguably in the top 3 in ulster would inspire some confidence and maybe bring them back to the form they showed in 2001/2004. it's going to be very difficult for them but i wish them all the best in Ulster!!
Also after a dreadful week, congratulations to St.Johns on winning the Junior c/ship, you could sense at full-time just how much this meant to them and i wish them all the best in Ulster and on a speedy repair of their club rooms
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 29, 2008, 03:12:47 PM
good to see the reserve leagues getting a round of fixtures in at long last this weekend! don't know how long its been since i saw a p.reserve match involving my club!! also now the championship is over, how does anyone think the div 1 league will go? top 4, winner, relegated etc?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on September 29, 2008, 04:09:55 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 28, 2008, 08:10:54 PM
As a neutral I thought todays Senior final was terrible. Both teams were very poor and very little good football was played. Benny kicked some horrible wides and he two O'Reillys seemed to carry the ball down blind alleyways for Loughinisland at times.
Dont think Gordon wouldve made big difference as he done very little in the semifinal against Burren.

Big "Magic" Johnson was very poor. Agree with some posts about Corrigan seeming to be biased to the Bridge. Seemed to allow countless closed fist tackles, encroachment on frees and only showing book for Yellow card offences. Also moved few Bridge frees up 13metres but wasnt doing same for Island.

If thats best in our county were fecked

Can't argue with most of what you say. Poor final and two points in a half of football is a poor return. Mayobridge not great either but played more intelligently and don't believe they will be overly worried as they have bigger fish to fry. I can see why you would say DF
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on September 29, 2008, 04:30:07 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on September 29, 2008, 04:09:55 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 28, 2008, 08:10:54 PM
As a neutral I thought todays Senior final was terrible. Both teams were very poor and very little good football was played. Benny kicked some horrible wides and he two O'Reillys seemed to carry the ball down blind alleyways for Loughinisland at times.
Dont think Gordon wouldve made big difference as he done very little in the semifinal against Burren.

Big "Magic" Johnson was very poor. Agree with some posts about Corrigan seeming to be biased to the Bridge. Seemed to allow countless closed fist tackles, encroachment on frees and only showing book for Yellow card offences. Also moved few Bridge frees up 13metres but wasnt doing same for Island.

If thats best in our county were fecked

Can't argue with most of what you say. Poor final and two points in a half of football is a poor return. Mayobridge not great either but played more intelligently and don't believe they will be overly worried as they have bigger fish to fry. I can see why you would say DF

Oops pressed the post button accidentally. As I was about to say I can see why you would say Dan had a poor semi final because he did, but what is not widely known is he suffered a stress fracture in his foot at the compromise rules trials two days before the semi and has more or less been screwed since. With regards to Magic, he didn't have a good game and that is because he was completely starved of possession. We obviously did not give our inside forwards much ammunition in the second half.

Good luck to the Bridge in Ulster. Our game was very stop start on Sunday and the Bridge seemed to prefer it that way. For instance after we scored a point or put them under pressure they would delay the kick out or take time to get treatment. I am not sure it necessarily always helps the Bridge. If they can keep a high adrenalin fast paced game going for the whole game like they did for fifteen minutes on Sunday they will beat St Galls.

Also, Mickey Walsh is their orchestrator and makes them tick. He needs to start against St Galls.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 29, 2008, 04:34:58 PM
Very poor final indeeed, but as Dulaney says the Bridge only needed 15 mins of football to win the game! Thats the problem with football in Down bad standard of opposition! I think the bridge will beat St Galls this year, just have that sneaky feeling. Although a few lads would need to up their game! Bridge defence was very good yesterday, Shane Ohare and Brendan Grant very good, overall the six defenders played well. Heard Kieran OHare broke his arm at the start of the game too! Thats him, B Rodgers and B Rooney out for Ulster campaign! Three bigs lads, they are the sort you need for ulster!

Pangurban, five in a row you jealous git! Up the bridge!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on September 29, 2008, 05:20:25 PM
Keek final yesterday, the standard of football in the championship this year has been shocking! Mayobridge would need to drastically improve if they are too stand any chance of beating st. galls. Im sure wee James will have them well fired up for that game!!

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh here, but was wondering if any else thinks that Coulter game has gone off the boil a little, (4 points in a championship final is a great return granted) he kicked a brave few wides yesterday and there just is not that spark or excitement in the crowd when he gets the ball, could be that people expect him to get a goal or two ever game and its just not possible, but even still just doesn't look the same player of 2 or 3 years ago.....................
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on September 29, 2008, 06:23:52 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on September 29, 2008, 04:34:58 PM
Very poor final indeeed, but as Dulaney says the Bridge only needed 15 mins of football to win the game! Thats the problem with football in Down bad standard of opposition!

If Bridge do not do well in Ulster this year, you can't use this excuse again. Opposition may not be up to scratch in Down at the moment, but Cross and St Galls have hardily had it tough in their respective championships over the last 7-8 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 29, 2008, 06:47:24 PM


If Bridge do not do well in Ulster this year, you can't use this excuse again. Opposition may not be up to scratch in Down at the moment, but Cross and St Galls have hardily had it tough in their respective championships over the last 7-8 years.
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Hard luck yest!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 29, 2008, 10:28:45 PM
Quote from: the milkman on September 29, 2008, 05:20:25 PM
Keek final yesterday, the standard of football in the championship this year has been shocking! Mayobridge would need to drastically improve if they are too stand any chance of beating st. galls. Im sure wee James will have them well fired up for that game!!

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh here, but was wondering if any else thinks that Coulter game has gone off the boil a little, (4 points in a championship final is a great return granted) he kicked a brave few wides yesterday and there just is not that spark or excitement in the crowd when he gets the ball, could be that people expect him to get a goal or two ever game and its just not possible, but even still just doesn't look the same player of 2 or 3 years ago.....................

all the man needs is a wee break. he has picked up knocks and wee injuries along the way and he would be the type to play on reguardless. if he has come off the boil, which im not sure he has, it would be down to wear and tear
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 29, 2008, 11:31:53 PM
Quote from: the milkman on September 29, 2008, 05:20:25 PM
Keek final yesterday, the standard of football in the championship this year has been shocking! Mayobridge would need to drastically improve if they are too stand any chance of beating st. galls. Im sure wee James will have them well fired up for that game!!

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh here, but was wondering if any else thinks that Coulter game has gone off the boil a little, (4 points in a championship final is a great return granted) he kicked a brave few wides yesterday and there just is not that spark or excitement in the crowd when he gets the ball, could be that people expect him to get a goal or two ever game and its just not possible, but even still just doesn't look the same player of 2 or 3 years ago.....................

As somebody who was cheering for the Island yesterday I  disagree about Benny.Thought he was the difference between the sides.His points were top drawer ,and he was a handful that ultimately Loughinisland couldn't cope with.He is a much more effective player at club and county level this year.and appears in his best condition for years.I wish himself and The Bridge all the best v St Galls.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Abble on September 30, 2008, 08:16:15 AM
could someone please post up current div1 and div2 tables ?
(cant access down site from work here!)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 30, 2008, 09:06:21 AM
Well done to the Bridge in winning the 5 in a row, its a fantastic achievement for us.  The performance on Sunday was far from vintage but I was never overly concerned, the 15 minute patch at the start of the second half really won it for us.  The penatly save lifted the Island and in fairness they threw everything at us but without much end result. 

St.Galls will be hard beat, they have an Ulster under their belt already and will be the favourites.  We had 3 men sent off against them the last time we played them.  With 15 men I expect us to give a better account of ourselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 30, 2008, 09:59:21 AM
Forgot to congratulate the Bridge seconds who did well to beat Burren on Saturday.  They were really under the kosh in the second half and needed someone to get a couple of points to settle them again.  Up steps Mickey Linden and scores a gem of a point from play then hits and massive point from a free out near the sideline. 

With the minor county final still to come I hope the Bridge supporters don't put any pressure on the mintors to deliver the third championship.  The minor county final is a stand alone game and should be left as that and the young lads shouldn't feel under more pressure to deliver.

Well done to Ballyholland who hosted the reserve finals on Saturday.  The pitch was in great nick and the new stand is top class. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on September 30, 2008, 11:31:47 AM
Team            Played     Won       Draw      Lost       POINTS   Score Diff 
       
Mayobridge         17       15           0          2             30        +99 
Rostrevor           20        12          2           6             26        +30 
Kilcoo                17        12           1          4             25        +77 
Burren               19        10          1          7              21         +4 
Clonduff            18         10          1          7              21          -9 
Castlewellan       18         9           2           7             20        +40 
Loughinisland      17         7          4           6             18         -13 
Longstone         19         9           0           9             18         -18 
Saval                18          5           3         10             13         -42 
Liatrom             16         4           2          10             10         -42 
An Riocht          19         4           1          14             9          -70 
Ballyholland        20         2           3          15             7          -56

Includes last nights game where Burren beat Longstone by 3 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on September 30, 2008, 01:46:39 PM
As a member of the st johns club i would just like to thank all who posted here in relation to the events of last week.  friday was a testing day for all concerned with the club and i personally did not want to post anything here on friday in case i said something i would regret later on.  the clubhouse will get rebuilt, and as our chairperson stated, it will be bigger and better than before. 

The weekend ended on a brighter note with the senior footballers lifting the down junior football championship for the first time in the clubs history on sunday afternoon in newry.  this is in addition to winning div 4 earlier in the year.  the senior team has a bright future ahead of it, and i anticipate this being matched by new clubrooms in the not too distant future.

Again, thanks for all the messages of support received here, and for all the local clubs who have offerred their support in many ways.  this just sums up what the GAA is all about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 30, 2008, 01:54:33 PM
 Great attitude after a topsy turvy weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 30, 2008, 01:56:17 PM
good to see you back Johnnie!! congrats on sunday by the way, doesn't feel so bad that we were put out by the champions!!
St. Paul's want to offer any help we can to see you get back on your feet again!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 30, 2008, 02:29:11 PM
My team of Down championship
1.Liam Coulter
2.Gavin Barry
3.Conor Garvey
4.Darren Cunningham
5.Geard Mc Carten
6.Shane O'Hare
7.John Turley
8.E Woods
9.A Molloy
10. Noel Sexton
11.Eoin Mc Carten
12. Danny Hughes
13.M Valentine
14.Benny Coulter
15. Ryan Brady
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TowBar on September 30, 2008, 05:26:18 PM
Now that the top 4 in Div 3 is confirmed is there any way the county board might start the playoff's early????? the top 4 have to play one other top 4 team at least once, but this now seems trivial. Nobody wants league football running to the end of november surely???? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 30, 2008, 05:46:38 PM
Quote from: TowBar on September 30, 2008, 05:26:18 PM
Now that the top 4 in Div 3 is confirmed is there any way the county board might start the playoff's early????? the top 4 have to play one other top 4 team at least once, but this now seems trivial. Nobody wants league football running to the end of november surely???? 

The top 4 places are decided but the bottom 4 aren't so the playoffs can't start until after all top 4 have played the teams in the bottom 1/2 of the table.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TowBar on September 30, 2008, 08:18:28 PM
Is it bottom 3 or 4 in playoffs this year after last year's farce?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: milltown row on September 30, 2008, 08:39:46 PM
the lads were sent off v Galls late on, Galls were on top and the bridge lost their rag.

i expect a tougher game next time, though Benny expects to get to another final, after reading irish news today he was talking themselves up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 30, 2008, 10:22:09 PM
Quote from: TowBar on September 30, 2008, 08:18:28 PM
Is it bottom 3 or 4 in playoffs this year after last year's farce?

bottom 4, but with 3 to go down!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 01, 2008, 10:17:24 AM
Hurling final on Sunday, Portaferry v Ballygalget. Should be a good game.
There's little between the 2 team. Ballygalget beat them in the league a few weeks ago and in the SHC last year but I would still make Portaferry slight favorites. They had a tough semi final with Ballycran whereas the Galgets had a virtual walk over v South Down. Paul Braniff is back and when he plays well so does Portaferry. No quarter will be given or expected in Ballycran and I expect Portaferry to win by 3pts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 01, 2008, 10:22:26 AM
Quote from: stpauls on September 30, 2008, 10:22:09 PM
Quote from: TowBar on September 30, 2008, 08:18:28 PM
Is it bottom 3 or 4 in playoffs this year after last year's farce?

bottom 4, but with 3 to go down!!
what's the div three table looking like now then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Onion Bag on October 01, 2008, 10:45:14 AM
Any bridge men confirm here that they are going to play an Ulster select tonight in Armaghs Athletic grounds
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 01, 2008, 11:04:00 AM
Thats the first I've heard of it Onion bag.  Whats it for?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Onion Bag on October 01, 2008, 11:08:42 AM
There was a match arranged tonight in the Athletic grounds between Armagh and Ulster to raise money for Newry Hospice, but someone has posted on the Armagh page saying that Armagh cant get a team together with all the men still being club tied, and that mayobridge had stepped in, It will be the 1st match on the new pitch under lights if it does take place,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on October 01, 2008, 11:25:53 AM
Bridge are training in kilbroney tonight, i'd say they'd prefer to play in Armagh! :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Onion Bag on October 01, 2008, 11:29:43 AM
Must be someone talking shite again, you know what this board is like
Title: Hurling Final
Post by: No1 on October 01, 2008, 12:00:00 PM
Any word on Magic?  Big blow for the Galgets if he isn't 100%. 

I fancy the Ports by a couple of points, I'd say it will be a tight enough game though and hopefully a decent one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on October 01, 2008, 12:08:41 PM
Predictions for IFC and MFC

Mayobridge v Bryansford - Mayobridge by 4. Brady was one of only a few good performances in the senior final and looks unstoppable.

Annaclone v Darragh Cross - Annaclone by a point or 2. should be a good game, but annoclones experience of division 1 football over the last few years will be the difference.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The GAA on October 01, 2008, 12:17:39 PM

Where's yer man that usually boots the bridge around this time of year for not preparing properly for the ulster club? bee in his bonnet about the demon drink
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 01, 2008, 12:47:44 PM
Quote from: The GAA on October 01, 2008, 12:17:39 PM

Where's yer man that usually boots the bridge around this time of year for not preparing properly for the ulster club? bee in his bonnet about the demon drink

I think it is T OHare ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 01, 2008, 01:04:29 PM
Here spirit while your on could you tell me why you dont post the lotto numbers for you club on your website, i went on to it there and the numbers for about 3 weeks ago were on it. You would think that if people from other clubs are buying your totes you would at least have the decency to update your lotto web page now and again!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Doire abú on October 01, 2008, 01:06:56 PM
love the name centre 3/4s
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 01, 2008, 01:09:02 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on October 01, 2008, 01:04:29 PM
Here spirit while your on could you tell me why you dont post the lotto numbers for you club on your website, i went on to it there and the numbers for about 3 weeks ago were on it. You would think that if people from other clubs are buying your totes you would at least have the decency to update your lotto web page now and again!!

Will look into it - the admin takes alot of holidays and i wouldnt have time to update it ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saffron sam2 on October 01, 2008, 02:02:20 PM
Quote from: milltown row on September 30, 2008, 08:39:46 PM
the lads were sent off v Galls late on, Galls were on top and the bridge lost their rag.

i expect a tougher game next time, though Benny expects to get to another final, after reading irish news today he was talking themselves up.

You are being disingenuous. The first sending-off was at the start of the second half, the second (Coulter) midway through. Even after these sendings-off, Mayobridge still pulled it back to a one point game. The other two sendings-off (Burns and Rooney) had little impact on the outcome, but you are right about the Bridge losing their collective rag. Long before the game ended, Mayobridge had descended into a disorganised, ill-disciplined rabble. Even well after the final whistle, the referee's safety was in danger as he was surrounded by a mixum-gatherum of 'Bridge players and supporters, intent on hurling verbal abuse or knocking his black book out of his hands.

I think that St. Gall's have improved from that day, whilst Mayobridge have gone backwards. Consequently I see St. Gall's winning by at least 4.

For the record, here are the teams from 2005.

Mayobridge: S Featherstone; S O'Hare, B Grant, G Barry; R Sexton, F Poland, K O'Hare; D Rooney, E Woods; N Sexton (0-1), B Coulter (0-1),  A Barry (0-1); J Quinn, M Walsh (0-2, 0-1 free), R Coulter (0-3 frees). Subs: M Linden for Quinn (h-t), C Garvey for R Coulter (49).

St Gall's: P Murray; S Kennedy, A McLean, C Brady; G McGirr, C McCrossan (0-1),  A Healy; K McGourty (0-1), A Gallagher (0-1); P Gribben, S Burns (0-3, 0-1 free), T O'Neill; K Stewart (0-5, 0-2 frees), K Niblock, C McCann. Subs: Conor McGourty for McCann (35), Ciaran McGourty for Niblock (51), R Gallagher for McCrossan (53), G McCarren for Healey (61).

St. Gall's have lost Murray, McGirr, McCrossan and McCann. Burns won't start and Gribben has changed his name to Veronica. The two McGourtys, Sean Kelly and Ronan Gallagher certainly strengthen the side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on October 01, 2008, 03:05:38 PM
only getting back to the board now after a few days on the beer. the better team won and in the second half pulled away. dan was massive blow( even though we knew all week) to us but the boys kept going. molloy was awesome and never gave up. it was a good learning experience for our team which is quite young and we are not far away. hard for magic in that there was a lot of expectation but he will get better every game.

magic will be out for months- ligament damage. ballygalget will not be happy but you cant blame him for wanting to play football.
bridge boys were deserving winners and good luck in ulster

my final point is that the atmosphere was poor considering the crowd. newcastle always had a better atmosphere. pity not playing there anymore
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 01, 2008, 03:13:56 PM
Cheers IslandBoy.  Your boys pushed us all the way.

Saffron Sam - What does the bit about the lad Gribben changing his name to Veronica mean??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saffron sam2 on October 01, 2008, 03:17:35 PM
Exactly that. He got married to a Miss Veronica (I don't know her first name) and changed his name from Gribben to Veronica.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 01, 2008, 03:32:36 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on October 01, 2008, 03:17:35 PM
Exactly that. He got married to a Miss Veronica (I don't know her first name) and changed his name from Gribben to Veronica.

WTF? Is he a she?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 01, 2008, 03:40:33 PM
Wow she must wear the trousers!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 01, 2008, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on October 01, 2008, 03:17:35 PM
Exactly that. He got married to a Miss Veronica (I don't know her first name) and changed his name from Gribben to Veronica.

:) :) :) :) Unreal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 01, 2008, 05:41:16 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 01, 2008, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on October 01, 2008, 03:17:35 PM
Exactly that. He got married to a Miss Veronica (I don't know her first name) and changed his name from Gribben to Veronica.

That is hilarious :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on October 01, 2008, 06:01:38 PM
what a wimp ...the other half being the boss!! hope he's tougher on the field than off it-for the sake of his team mates!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on October 02, 2008, 08:33:35 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 01, 2008, 10:17:24 AM
Hurling final on Sunday, Portaferry v Ballygalget. Should be a good game.
There's little between the 2 team. Ballygalget beat them in the league a few weeks ago and in the SHC last year but I would still make Portaferry slight favorites. They had a tough semi final with Ballycran whereas the Galgets had a virtual walk over v South Down. Paul Braniff is back and when he plays well so does Portaferry. No quarter will be given or expected in Ballycran and I expect Portaferry to win by 3pts.

Without Magic Portaferry will eat them. If they can stay injury free they might even give Ulster a rattle (for once!).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 02, 2008, 09:21:06 AM
Quote from: islandboy on October 01, 2008, 03:05:38 PM

my final point is that the atmosphere was poor considering the crowd. newcastle always had a better atmosphere. pity not playing there anymore

Can't believe this nonsense about Newcastle which belongs to the stone age. Spent too many days on narrow terracing with poor views or sitting in the arse-freezing "stand" with no view - obscured by bigger steel uprights than Brooklyn Bridge - to regret its passing.

Atmosphere in Newry for the two Burren-Kilcoo games was brilliant and for the Burren -Lisland game as well.
Poor atmosphere at final was engineered by pathetic fare on view.

Now that we have a decent modern venue with a grandstand to match any in the country we have some people moaning for a return to Dickensian facilities.
I'm also told that the attendances at Pairc Esler are much higher than equivalent gaames at other venues in recent years.
We have a wonderful asset - lets use it, not abuse it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 02, 2008, 10:26:27 AM
Anything happening on that now Spirit?  Is there still planning problems on the Burrenbridge road? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 02, 2008, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Bacon on October 02, 2008, 08:33:35 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 01, 2008, 10:17:24 AM
Hurling final on Sunday, Portaferry v Ballygalget. Should be a good game.
There's little between the 2 team. Ballygalget beat them in the league a few weeks ago and in the SHC last year but I would still make Portaferry slight favorites. They had a tough semi final with Ballycran whereas the Galgets had a virtual walk over v South Down. Paul Braniff is back and when he plays well so does Portaferry. No quarter will be given or expected in Ballycran and I expect Portaferry to win by 3pts.

Without Magic Portaferry will eat them. If they can stay injury free they might even give Ulster a rattle (for once!).

I don't see us being 'eaten' by Portaferry and if Hugh clamps down on Dules diving big Aaron can keep him quiet enough in the closer confines of Ballycran provided the Ports don't try and suck our two corner backs up the field and they follow them. Wee Liam should be left in to cover around the house. The Ports don't have a whole lot left in the scoring stakes and I'd be more worried about Andy and Cougie in midfield than any of their other scoring threat. A lot will depend on how Gabriel Clarke gets on with BA. If Gabs gets a good start he usually has a stormer, but if BA gets on top Gabs falls away badly as he's no plan B after the tippy tappy stuff fails.
As I've said before we'll need at least parity in midfield to give the forwards enough ball to win the game, something Ballycran managed in spurts by fast early ground hurling to by pass the Ports half back line and trouble a dodgy Portaferry fullbackline. Our half forwards are the line we need to see most improvement out of as Gary Flynn and Stevie Clarke can become non-entities in the game far too easy. They need to start winning their own ball and taking scores now that Magic is gone. I think the ports have a decision to make in who picks up Dingy, as young O'Prey may be a bit green for his wiles. Historically Zelda has done well on Dingy but he's not the same hurler now that he was and may be the man to lose out for Murph's return. I'd expect Paddy Rat to get the nod ahead of Jonny Boon as we need to try exploit any lack of pace in the ports defence but he'll need to be a bit braver than normal.

The Ports will be favourites but I don't see them as world beaters unlike Deccy Bacon and our lads would need to step it up a gear but its not beyond them plus they'll be well reminded of their limp perfomance last year against Ballycran so giving up is not an option.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 02, 2008, 11:41:27 AM
Sorry I asked Spirit, depressing stuff.

There is something on the online eidition of the Irish news about Boylan having some sort of plan for Benny Coulter.  I don't subscribe so can someone give me the jist of it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 02, 2008, 11:49:57 AM

As I've said before we'll need at least parity in midfield to give the forwards enough ball to win the game, something Ballycran managed in spurts by fast early ground hurling to by pass the Ports half back line and trouble a dodgy Portaferry fullbackline. Our half forwards are the line we need to see most improvement out of as Gary Flynn and Stevie Clarke can become non-entities in the game far too easy. They need to start winning their own ball and taking scores now that Magic is gone. I think the ports have a decision to make in who picks up Dingy, as young O'Prey may be a bit green for his wiles. Historically Zelda has done well on Dingy but he's not the same hurler now that he was and may be the man to lose out for Murph's return. I'd expect Paddy Rat to get the nod ahead of Jonny Boon as we need to try exploit any lack of pace in the ports defence but he'll need to be a bit braver than normal.

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There does not appear to be many people on the peninsula that use their Christian names. Magic, Dingy, Zelda, Paddy Rat and Jonny Boon? They sound like they came from the cast of the Donnie Brasco film.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 02, 2008, 12:18:01 PM
Benny plan in pipeline International Rules
By Paddy Heaney
02/10/08

Ireland manager Sean Boylan has confirmed that he has a provisional travel plan in place for Benny Coulter if the Down star is selected for this year's tour to Australia.

The Irish panel is set to fly to Australia on Saturday October 18. However, the following day, Coulter will be expected to represent Mayobridge in the Ulster Club SFC. The Down champions have been pitted against St Gall's in the preliminary round of the provincial tournament.

When Boylan was asked if he would be able to accommodate players like Coulter who face club commitments after the main party has departed, he said: "Of course we will. There is no question about that."

It's understood that Coulter and two other players are scheduled to play in club games that take place after the main party has flown to Perth.

One of the other two players is Cavan's Seanie Johnston. Reports indicate that the Breffni star forward has impressed during the trials.

Johnston is due to represent Cavan Gaels when they meet Denn in the Cavan senior football final on October 19.

If Coulter and Johnston are selected, the Irish management team has arranged for them to fly to Perth at a later date.

Indeed, Coulter revealed that Irish selector Anthony Tohill had already contacted him about the situation.

"Anthony Tohill spoke to me last week. He realises that there could be a problem if I was selected.

''They are aware of the clash of dates. But they'll only have to come up with another plan if I am picked, and I don't know if I have been picked yet,'' said Coulter.

Ulster Council secretary Danny Murphy insisted that there was no chance of the preliminary round game between Mayobridge and St Gall's being rearranged.

Murphy said: "It's a preliminary round game and it must be played on that date, otherwise the entire championship could run into all sorts of difficulties.

"There is a precedent in the past where players involved in club championship games flew out to Australia after they had played their games. You will probably find that this will apply to a number of players."

Coulter's courage, power and strong fielding have resulted in him being one of Ireland's best performers in the hybrid game.

It would be a major surprise if he wasn't selected. His county team-mate Dan Gordon was considered to have a strong chance of being one of the 27 panellists, but a foot injury has ruled him out.

Gordon played for Loughinisland in last Sunday's Down club final, but was forced to retire in the first half with the injury, which has been troubling him for the past few weeks.

The Irish squad will be announced at a press conference in Croke Park next Tuesday.

Ireland will play Australia in Perth on October 24 and in Melbourne on October 31.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 02, 2008, 12:20:03 PM
BENNY Coulter will not be allowing the International Rules series in Australia to conflict with his club commitments with Mayobridge.

The Down star is currently involved in the trials for the forthcoming tour Down Under, but he's also in the Mayobridge side that will take on St Gall's in the preliminary round of the Ulster Club Championship.

Coulter has stated that he will not be travelling to the southern hemisphere if the club competition clashes with the trip to Oz.

"The International Rules panel is announced on Saturday. They tend to work around the Ulster club, otherwise I will not be there,'' he said.

A perennial selection on the International Rules squad, Coulter is celebrating a five-in-a-row with his local club team, who defeated Loughinisland by four points on Sunday.

After the match, the Mayobridge players allowed photographers to choreograph poses in which they stood with an open palm held

outright, with each digit symbolising a Championship victory.

Coulter insisted that there was no discussion of the five-in-a-row before the game.

"There was no word of it,'' he said. "We just wanted to win the game. We were focused on the win and nothing else. You can focus on what you have achieved after the game."

It was by no means a vintage Mayobridge performance.

Normally their forwards prove to be their trump card, but their latest success can be attributed to a resolute defensive performance.

"We know that we didn't play well. Even in the second half we were very bad. We were very cagey and we missed a lot of scores. But we never panicked at half-time. We drew our semi-final against Saval but we came out in the replay and we destroyed them.

"We have a lot to work on. In previous years we have steamrollered teams in the final and won by 10 or 11 points. But we only won by four points. Mickey [Donnelly] will have us back out on Tuesday night and we have a lot to work on but we should be taking a lot into Ulster,'' said Coulter.

Having lifted the O'Hare Cup on eight occasions since 1999, the south Down side have failed to win the Ulster club title. But Coulter dismissed the suggestion that Mayobridge had failed to do

themselves justice in the provincial tournament.

"We have done ourselves proud. We have got to two finals. We just haven't won it yet."

Mayobridge face an onerous challenge if they are to lift the Seamus McFerran Cup next month. They've been pitted against a formidable St Gall's team that's now managed by double All-Ireland medallist, James McCartan  a former team-mate of Coulter's.

"We play St Gall's in a few weeks and we'll not be lacking heart or desire or determination to win the game.

"We will come out and we will be confident of beating them. We got to the final in 2001 and 2004 but we will take St Gall's first and we will see where we go from there,'' said Coulter.

ULSTER CLUB CHAMPIONSHIP

October 19: (a) Mayobridge (Down) v St Gall's (Antrim) at Down venue

November 2: (b) Armagh winners v Fermanagh winners at Armagh venue;

(c) Tyrone winners v Donegal winners at Tyrone venue; (d) Derry winners v Monaghan winners at Derry venue; (e) Cavan winners v Mayobridge or St Gall's (If Cavan winners v Mayobridge at Cavan venue, if Cavan winners v St Gall's at Antrim venue

November 16: semi-finals, (b) v (c);

(d) v (e):

November 30: SFC final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 02, 2008, 02:05:52 PM
Cheers GoldenYears.  A bit of encouraging news from a Mayobridge point of view. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fred the red on October 02, 2008, 02:09:49 PM
I take it if Mayobridge and St Galls draw then benny would stay at home for the replay?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 02, 2008, 02:34:16 PM
Fred- I think thats what he is saying in the interview.  It would be tough on him to miss the trip but judging by what he is saying is the Bridge is coming first.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on October 02, 2008, 03:28:24 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 02, 2008, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Bacon on October 02, 2008, 08:33:35 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 01, 2008, 10:17:24 AM
Hurling final on Sunday, Portaferry v Ballygalget. Should be a good game.
There's little between the 2 team. Ballygalget beat them in the league a few weeks ago and in the SHC last year but I would still make Portaferry slight favorites. They had a tough semi final with Ballycran whereas the Galgets had a virtual walk over v South Down. Paul Braniff is back and when he plays well so does Portaferry. No quarter will be given or expected in Ballycran and I expect Portaferry to win by 3pts.

Without Magic Portaferry will eat them. If they can stay injury free they might even give Ulster a rattle (for once!).

I don't see us being 'eaten' by Portaferry and if Hugh clamps down on Duels diving big Aaron can keep him quiet enough in the closer confines of Ballycran provided the Ports don't try and suck our two corner backs up the field and they follow them. Wee Liam should be left in to cover around the house. The Ports don't have a whole lot left in the scoring stakes and I'd be more worried about Andy and Cougie in midfield than any of their other scoring threat. A lot will depend on how Gabriel Clarke gets on with BA. If Gabs gets a good start he usually has a stormer, but if BA gets on top Gabs falls away badly as he's no plan B after the tippy tappy stuff fails.
As I've said before we'll need at least parity in midfield to give the forwards enough ball to win the game, something Ballycran managed in spurts by fast early ground hurling to by pass the Ports half back line and trouble a dodgy Portaferry fullbackline. Our half forwards are the line we need to see most improvement out of as Gary Flynn and Stevie Clarke can become non-entities in the game far too easy. They need to start winning their own ball and taking scores now that Magic is gone. I think the ports have a decision to make in who picks up Dingy, as young O'Prey may be a bit green for his wiles. Historically Zelda has done well on Dingy but he's not the same hurler now that he was and may be the man to lose out for Murph's return. I'd expect Paddy Rat to get the nod ahead of Jonny Boon as we need to try exploit any lack of pace in the ports defence but he'll need to be a bit braver than normal.

The Ports will be favourites but I don't see them as world beaters unlike Deccy Bacon and our lads would need to step it up a gear but its not beyond them plus they'll be well reminded of their limp perfomance last year against Ballycran so giving up is not an option.


Is Johnny Boon back training? I thought he'd packed it in.

A lot of what you say makes sense Jonnycool but Portaferry will still win by 3-4 pts. I think you're waring the Green tinted glasses. I'm no fan of the Ports but they are the better team this year and really should have beaten Ballygalget last year in the semi final. What I seen of Ballygalget it looks like some of them arent puttin the effort in any more because they know the place on the team is safe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 02, 2008, 03:33:06 PM
Quote from: amallon on October 02, 2008, 02:34:16 PM
Fred- I think thats what he is saying in the interview.  It would be tough on him to miss the trip but judging by what he is saying is the Bridge is coming first.

I thought Benny made a statement after the last series stating he was finished with the aussie rules due to the brutal play by the aussies - can anyone confirm?
Hope they dont single him out as he will be a threat to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 02, 2008, 04:27:13 PM
Quote from: Bacon on October 02, 2008, 03:28:24 PM

Is Johnny Boon back training? I thought he'd packed it in.

He is back but still should of packed it in IMO as he's nothing to offer anymore.

Quote from: Bacon on October 02, 2008, 03:28:24 PM
A lot of what you say makes sense Jonnycool but Portaferry will still win by 3-4 pts. I think you're waring the Green tinted glasses. I'm no fan of the Ports but they are the better team this year and really should have beaten Ballygalget last year in the semi final. What I seen of Ballygalget it looks like some of them arent puttin the effort in any more because they know the place on the team is safe.

The Ports have one real achilles heel and that's their mental fortitude. You're right we were for the taking last year as we were shite but they were beat before they went out because Dule was injured. If we get a lead on them on sunday they'll struggle to come back at us. I really don't know why that is the case but I've seen it close up so many times. They were leading us by 7 points in a semi final in Downpatrick a few years back, we got a goal mid way through the second half and they collapsed finally losing by 4 points in the end. They gave up against Dungiven a few years back after a bright start but BA had to go off injured and yet again the panic button was pushed and Dungiven pulled away.

Irrespective of whoever wins on sunday neither will make a go of it in ulster as the depth in either squad isn't there and my money is on Dungiven but Cushendall are better equipped for their physical approach than Loughgeile, Ballygalget or Portaferry are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 02, 2008, 04:38:13 PM
Benny did make a statement after last years final test that he wouldn't be playing again, but that was in the heat of the moment and he retracted it a week later.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on October 02, 2008, 04:58:01 PM
Thought Benny's statement was more or less that he wouldn't be back given the state of the international rules series at that time and the kicking/beating matches on the field!!! u couldn't blame him for sayin he was finished with it either (the game was descending into somethin more like Bare knuckle Boxing), its gonna be a make or break year for the the whole series, if there is the same level of violence even with this new structure it's gonna be difficult to argue for its continuation....tho i hope this isn't the case for it provides boys with a rare opportunity to represent their country!! (plus the streakers are a rare spectacle ;))
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fred the red on October 02, 2008, 05:02:35 PM
Was it a lad from Kilcoo who streaked the time Ireland played Australia in Galway?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 02, 2008, 05:14:23 PM
Nah it was a nutter from the Bridge. Spent the best part of the night in the slammer for it. 
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Post by: Old Bill on October 02, 2008, 05:17:43 PM
one of many from that part of the country.. aidan
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Post by: milltown row on October 02, 2008, 09:21:46 PM
so lads, how will the game go against Naomh Gall? is the bridge a better team since we last met at the marshes or worse? i'm expecting a real close game. Antrim teams would be underdogs in all club championships considering antrims standing within Ulster.

do the bridge believe they are owed a Ulster having been there twice and lost?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiffler on October 02, 2008, 10:55:16 PM
Quote from: milltown row on October 02, 2008, 09:21:46 PM
so lads, how will the game go against Naomh Gall? is the bridge a better team since we last met at the marshes or worse? i'm expecting a real close game. Antrim teams would be underdogs in all club championships considering antrims standing within Ulster.

do the bridge believe they are owed a Ulster having been there twice and lost?

Galls by 3.

Wee James will have his lads rightly pumped up for this 1!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 02, 2008, 11:28:32 PM
1980 Down Minor football final

Half - time; Mayobridge 0.3 Bryansford 1.0
Full - time; Mayobridge 0.7 Bryansford 1.1
Mayobridge team.

Sean Rooney;
Michael Magee, Colin Lively, Jimmy Coulter;
Raymond Butterfield, John Goss, Paul Butterfield;
Eamon O'Hanlon (captain), Michael Linden 0.6;
Michael Lively, John Gorman, Tony Burns;
Eamon O'Hare, Sean Poland 0.1, Peter Linden.
Manager ????

Bryansford team;

Mark Wellls;
Stephen Poland, Jerome Murray, James Rooney;
Mark Walsh, Eamon Burns, Joe Rice;
Alfie Hanna (captain), Liam Poland;
Aidan Brannigan, Brian Walsh, Eamon Corrigan;
Francis McKibben 0.1, John Firzpatrick, Francis Rooney 1.0;

Sub used; John Walsh for Francis Rooney
Manager Sean Caughey

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on October 02, 2008, 11:31:48 PM
Quote from: milltown row on October 02, 2008, 09:21:46 PM
so lads, how will the game go against Naomh Gall? is the bridge a better team since we last met at the marshes or worse? i'm expecting a real close game. Antrim teams would be underdogs in all club championships considering antrims standing within Ulster.

do the bridge believe they are owed a Ulster having been there twice and lost?

I think that is a silly analogy. St. Galls are one of the best clubs in Ulster and Mayobridge have a big task on their hands.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 03, 2008, 12:02:06 AM
Quote from: umpire on October 02, 2008, 11:28:32 PM
1980 Down Minor football final

Half - time; Mayobridge 0.3 Bryansford 1.0
Full - time; Mayobridge 0.7 Bryansford 1.1
Mayobridge team.

Sean Rooney;
Michael Magee, Colin Lively, Jimmy Coulter;
Raymond Butterfield, John Goss, Paul Butterfield;
Eamon O'Hanlon (captain), Michael Linden 0.6;
Michael Lively, John Gorman, Tony Burns;
Eamon O'Hare, Sean Poland 0.1, Peter Linden.
Manager ????

Bryansford team;

Mark Wellls;
Stephen Poland, Jerome Murray, James Rooney;
Mark Walsh, Eamon Burns, Joe Rice;
Alfie Hanna (captain), Liam Poland;
Aidan Brannigan, Brian Walsh, Eamon Corrigan;
Francis McKibben 0.1, John Firzpatrick, Francis Rooney 1.0;

Sub used; John Walsh for Francis Rooney
Manager Sean Caughey




Jaysus lads thats some blast from the past....Them boys would all be my run. Peter Linden was as good a player as I ever came up against ....as was Gorman and Ramy Butterfield. Mickey Lively was a hurler too in his time...is that his son playing now?

M Linden 6 points from midfield says it all...great memories lads although maybe not for most minor teams at the time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 03, 2008, 11:27:19 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 03, 2008, 12:02:06 AM
Quote from: umpire on October 02, 2008, 11:28:32 PM
1980 Down Minor football final

Half - time; Mayobridge 0.3 Bryansford 1.0
Full - time; Mayobridge 0.7 Bryansford 1.1
Mayobridge team.

Sean Rooney;
Michael Magee, Colin Lively, Jimmy Coulter;
Raymond Butterfield, John Goss, Paul Butterfield;
Eamon O'Hanlon (captain), Michael Linden 0.6;
Michael Lively, John Gorman, Tony Burns;
Eamon O'Hare, Sean Poland 0.1, Peter Linden.
Manager ????

Bryansford team;

Mark Wellls;
Stephen Poland, Jerome Murray, James Rooney;
Mark Walsh, Eamon Burns, Joe Rice;
Alfie Hanna (captain), Liam Poland;
Aidan Brannigan, Brian Walsh, Eamon Corrigan;
Francis McKibben 0.1, John Firzpatrick, Francis Rooney 1.0;

Sub used; John Walsh for Francis Rooney
Manager Sean Caughey




Jaysus lads thats some blast from the past....Them boys would all be my run. Peter Linden was as good a player as I ever came up against ....as was Gorman and Ramy Butterfield. Mickey Lively was a hurler too in his time...is that his son playing now?

M Linden 6 points from midfield says it all...great memories lads although maybe not for most minor teams at the time.

A blast alright. Jerome Murray is assistant to our minor manager Francie McKibben and Eamonn is assisted by Aiden Brannigan at senior level. Mark Wells has sons in underage.Thats the only affiliation that team has at present with the club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 03, 2008, 12:26:26 PM
Quote from: stiffler on October 02, 2008, 10:55:16 PM
Quote from: milltown row on October 02, 2008, 09:21:46 PM
so lads, how will the game go against Naomh Gall? is the bridge a better team since we last met at the marshes or worse? i'm expecting a real close game. Antrim teams would be underdogs in all club championships considering antrims standing within Ulster.

do the bridge believe they are owed a Ulster having been there twice and lost?

Galls by 3.

Wee James will have his lads rightly pumped up for this 1!

Manager- Tom O'Hare and James Gallager  :) The start of the glory years, some great players for the Bridge!!!!

Good to see A Mallon making the Gaelic life, wee James is after him!!!!!
Nice bit from Kevin Mc Gourty of Mickey The Leg-end !!!!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on October 03, 2008, 01:14:46 PM
jaysus but thon mcgourty loves down!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on October 03, 2008, 01:21:39 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 02, 2008, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Bacon on October 02, 2008, 08:33:35 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 01, 2008, 10:17:24 AM
Hurling final on Sunday, Portaferry v Ballygalget. Should be a good game.
There's little between the 2 team. Ballygalget beat them in the league a few weeks ago and in the SHC last year but I would still make Portaferry slight favorites. They had a tough semi final with Ballycran whereas the Galgets had a virtual walk over v South Down. Paul Braniff is back and when he plays well so does Portaferry. No quarter will be given or expected in Ballycran and I expect Portaferry to win by 3pts.

Without Magic Portaferry will eat them. If they can stay injury free they might even give Ulster a rattle (for once!).

I don't see us being 'eaten' by Portaferry and if Hugh clamps down on Dules diving big Aaron can keep him quiet enough in the closer confines of Ballycran provided the Ports don't try and suck our two corner backs up the field and they follow them. Wee Liam should be left in to cover around the house. The Ports don't have a whole lot left in the scoring stakes and I'd be more worried about Andy and Cougie in midfield than any of their other scoring threat. A lot will depend on how Gabriel Clarke gets on with BA. If Gabs gets a good start he usually has a stormer, but if BA gets on top Gabs falls away badly as he's no plan B after the tippy tappy stuff fails.
As I've said before we'll need at least parity in midfield to give the forwards enough ball to win the game, something Ballycran managed in spurts by fast early ground hurling to by pass the Ports half back line and trouble a dodgy Portaferry fullbackline. Our half forwards are the line we need to see most improvement out of as Gary Flynn and Stevie Clarke can become non-entities in the game far too easy. They need to start winning their own ball and taking scores now that Magic is gone. I think the ports have a decision to make in who picks up Dingy, as young O'Prey may be a bit green for his wiles. Historically Zelda has done well on Dingy but he's not the same hurler now that he was and may be the man to lose out for Murph's return. I'd expect Paddy Rat to get the nod ahead of Jonny Boon as we need to try exploit any lack of pace in the ports defence but he'll need to be a bit braver than normal.

The Ports will be favourites but I don't see them as world beaters unlike Deccy Bacon and our lads would need to step it up a gear but its not beyond them plus they'll be well reminded of their limp perfomance last year against Ballycran so giving up is not an option.


Good analsys JC. I'd make a couple of comments. Portaferry showed a fair degree of mental strenght against us in the semi. I hear what you're saying but I think they are over that issue now. In previous years they would have crumbled when we had them on the rack but this year they didn't.

I agree with you and Bacon on the lack of strenght in dept and for that reason neither will trouble Ruiri Ogs or Kevin Lynch's. I'm looking forward to a great game and I'd expect Ports to win by 2 but I certainly wouldn't recommend putting any money on it. Is Fox offering odds?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: milltown row on October 03, 2008, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: western exile on October 02, 2008, 11:31:48 PM
Quote from: milltown row on October 02, 2008, 09:21:46 PM
so lads, how will the game go against Naomh Gall? is the bridge a better team since we last met at the marshes or worse? i'm expecting a real close game. Antrim teams would be underdogs in all club championships considering antrims standing within Ulster.

do the bridge believe they are owed a Ulster having been there twice and lost?

I think that is a silly analogy. St. Galls are one of the best clubs in Ulster and Mayobridge have a big task on their hands.


i'm messing with ya, no doubt St Galls will go in on an even par away from home, we've been to three ulster finals and only one one, the bridge have been unlucky in their two appearances. near enough the same teams/panels so both very hungry. should be a good game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 03, 2008, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 03, 2008, 12:26:26 PM
Quote from: stiffler on October 02, 2008, 10:55:16 PM
Quote from: milltown row on October 02, 2008, 09:21:46 PM
so lads, how will the game go against Naomh Gall? is the bridge a better team since we last met at the marshes or worse? i'm expecting a real close game. Antrim teams would be underdogs in all club championships considering antrims standing within Ulster.

do the bridge believe they are owed a Ulster having been there twice and lost?

Galls by 3.

Wee James will have his lads rightly pumped up for this 1!

Manager- Tom O'Hare and James Gallager  :) The start of the glory years, some great players for the Bridge!!!!

Good to see A Mallon making the Gaelic life, wee James is after him!!!!!
Nice bit from Kevin Mc Gourty of Mickey The Leg-end !!!!!


saw that myself Tommy....I was also thinking what in the nama jaysus would McGourty be doing at the Down Reserve Finals???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: milltown row on October 03, 2008, 02:08:37 PM
Kevin loves all things Down, lived in Stramills for a while and tried to play for O'Rourke......

anyway doubt he'd get on the Down team, oh he also looks after either Clonduff or Carryduff ladies team, not sure abut which duff he's looking after :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on October 03, 2008, 03:11:56 PM
Quote from: milltown row on October 03, 2008, 02:08:37 PM
Kevin loves all things Down, lived in Stramills for a while and tried to play for O'Rourke......

anyway doubt he'd get on the Down team, oh he also looks after either Clonduff or Carryduff ladies team, not sure abut which duff he's looking after :P
sounds like duff !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 03, 2008, 07:53:31 PM
Loughinisland v Clonduff SFL and Loughinisland v Tullylish RFL have been cancelled this weekend due to the death of Gerry Mason. RIP
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Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 03, 2008, 09:41:44 PM
RIP Gerry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on October 04, 2008, 06:49:56 PM
Glenn beat carryduff by 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 04, 2008, 07:03:08 PM
Bosco beat Bredagh by a point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on October 04, 2008, 07:28:51 PM
Bryansford 6-18 Dundrum 0-07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on October 04, 2008, 07:37:40 PM
St Pauls beat Drumgath by 2pts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on October 04, 2008, 07:40:30 PM
Annaclone 0-16 Downpatrick 0-6

Heard that Ballymartin beat Banbridge and Tullylish beat Kilclief
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 04, 2008, 07:48:00 PM
What does them results mean in terms of div 2? Could someone put up the tables? Any other results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Old Bill on October 04, 2008, 08:25:42 PM
I see our very own amallon quoted this weeks gaelic life in an article about how mayobridges very extensive video library on youtube has been restricted to club members only.  Some pieces has been viewed over 500 times! shrewd move by the bridge men...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on October 04, 2008, 08:28:08 PM
div 4, st johns beat dromara something like 0.12 to 1.2 on a game played in ballykinlar.  think that means if aghaderg beat bright tomorrow, aghaderg are promoted as runners up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 04, 2008, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: Old Bill on October 04, 2008, 08:25:42 PM
I see our very own amallon quoted this weeks gaelic life in an article about how mayobridges very extensive video library on youtube has been restricted to club members only.  Some pieces has been viewed over 500 times! shrewd move by the bridge men...

Pity, I must admitt I enjoyed watching them. Though I did wonder would opposing managers of the Bridge in Ulster club championship (when opposing teams may not be so familiar with each) use it to gain any sort of insight into their attacking strengths.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on October 04, 2008, 08:45:45 PM
any word on the mitchells teaconnaght game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: milltown row on October 04, 2008, 08:58:07 PM
think Naomh Gall know all they need to know, and with a Burren man at the helm and having played them already they know their strengths and their weaknesses, thought the refereeing could have been better last time and had some bearing on the match, so incident free game and best team wins
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 04, 2008, 09:16:31 PM
Quote from: The Corporal on October 04, 2008, 07:28:51 PM
Bryansford 6-18 Dundrum 0-07


::) jaysus!!    This was a senior game wasn't it ?
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Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on October 04, 2008, 09:19:47 PM
 
Drumgath  4-06  4-08  St Paul's   
 
Newry Mitchels  0-12  2-11  Teconnaught   
 
St Michael's  2-11  2-08  Saul   

Bredagh  0-06  0-07 St John Bosco   
 
Glenn  1-10  0-11  Carryduff   
 
Ardglass  2-06  1-14 Glasdrumman   

Well done Naomh Pol...Great result away to Drumgath.

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Post by: In the Onion Bag on October 05, 2008, 12:14:49 AM
Div 3.
So, despite 3 of the top 4 losing today the four playoff contenders have now decided.  Glasdrumman, Ardglass, Bredagh and Carryduff. 

Of their remaining games 7 games only two have any real meaning (Carryduff v Teconnaught and Bredagh v Saul) and only because these games might influence the Div 3 relegation situation.

Should not these games be played ASAP to allow the 4 promotion contenders to enter the playoffs on the even basis??
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Post by: supersub on October 05, 2008, 03:10:14 AM
is it only rostrevors (senior) match that was moved to sunday evening or were they all? if not, any results from saturday div 1? league looks like it could go on for a while yet!
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Post by: wobbller on October 05, 2008, 08:54:08 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on October 05, 2008, 12:14:49 AM
Div 3.
So, despite 3 of the top 4 losing today the four playoff contenders have now decided.  Glasdrumman, Ardglass, Bredagh and Carryduff. 

Of their remaining games 7 games only two have any real meaning (Carryduff v Teconnaught and Bredagh v Saul) and only because these games might influence the Div 3 relegation situation.

Should not these games be played ASAP to allow the 4 promotion contenders to enter the playoffs on the even basis??

Can you explain all this Onion,please?
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Post by: In the Onion Bag on October 05, 2008, 09:32:36 AM
Wobbler,
Explaination is simple....too much vodka. 
What time did you leave the Parador :-\?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 05, 2008, 11:01:20 AM
'bridge beat kilcoo in kilcoo yesterday evening by point. 1.10 to 0.12.   the officials in kilkcoo wouldn't let us video the match, only one we've missed all year :-[
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Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 05, 2008, 11:07:44 AM
What reason did they give?
I enjoy watching the highlights of your games on the website!
Many other clubs do this?
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Post by: bridgegael on October 05, 2008, 11:11:49 AM
don't know what the reason was,  i saw the video man walking round the field during the match and asked was he not recording,  he just said that kilcoo wouldn't allow him.  very strange.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 05, 2008, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on October 05, 2008, 11:01:20 AM
'bridge beat kilcoo in kilcoo yesterday evening by point. 1.10 to 0.12.   the officials in kilkcoo wouldn't let us video the match, only one we've missed all year :-[


We wouldn let then film the match cause Setanta has the rights to all our games ;D
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Post by: Lecale2 on October 05, 2008, 05:12:08 PM
SHC Final Ballygalget 2-13 0-09 Portaferry
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Post by: supersub on October 05, 2008, 06:58:24 PM
rostrevor 1-6 castlewellan 2-8
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Post by: DownFanatic on October 05, 2008, 07:15:22 PM
Results

Div 1
Saval 3-09  Liatroim 0-03
Kilcoo 0-14  Mayobridge 1-12
An Riocht 0-11  Burren 1-06

Div 2
Banbridge 1-06  Ballymartin 2-06
Warrenpoint 0-10  Attical 1-06
Shamrocks 1-11  Darragh Cross 1-08
Annaclone 0-16  Downpatrick 0-06
Tullylish 1-13  Kilclief 1-08
Bryansford 6-18 Dundrum 0-07

Div 3
Drumgath  4-06  4-08  St Paul's     
Newry Mitchels  0-12  2-11  Teconnaught     
St Michael's  2-11  2-08  Saul     
Bredagh  0-06  0-07 St John Bosco     
Glenn  1-10  0-11  Carryduff     
Ardglass  2-06  1-14 Glasdrumman   

Div 4
St Johns 0-12  Dromara 1-02
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on October 05, 2008, 08:01:14 PM
Ulster Junior Hurling Club Championship @ Davitt Pk

Ballela 1.19 St. Malachys Portadown 2.8

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Post by: umpire on October 05, 2008, 09:34:24 PM
Div one league table
P   W   D     L   Pts   SD   Teams
18   16   0     2   32   100   Mayobridge
21   12   2     7   26     25   Rostrevor
18   12   1     5   25     76   Kilcoo
19   10   2     7   22     45   Castlewellan
20   10   1     9   21      2   Burren
18   10   1     7   21     -9   Clonduff
17     7   4     6   18   -13   Loughinisland
19     9   0   10   18   -18   Longstone
19     6   3   10   15   -27   Saval
20     5   1   14   11   -68   An Riocht
17     4   2   11   10   -57   Liatroim
20     2   3   15     7   -56   Ballyholland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 05, 2008, 09:39:49 PM
Remaining Div one fixtures
Series 17
Liatroim v Castlewellan
Series 18
Loughinisland v Mayobridge
Clonduff v Liatroim
Kilcoo v Saval
Series 19
Mayobridge v Clonduff
Longstone v An Riocht
Burren v Castlewellan
Saval v Loughinisland
Liatroim v Kilcoo
Series 20
Liatroim v Mayobridge
Kilcoo v Loughinisland
Series 21
Loughinisland v Clonduff
Ballyholland v Longstone
Series 22
Clonduff v Kilcoo
Mayobridge v Saval
Liatroim v Loughinisland
Castlewellan v An Riocht
Burren v Ballyholland
Longstone v Rostrevor


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Post by: milltown row on October 05, 2008, 10:19:19 PM
great result for Ballygalget, against the odds. match report lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 06, 2008, 08:21:01 AM
Quote from: umpire on October 05, 2008, 09:39:49 PM
Remaining Div one fixtures
Series 17
Liatroim v Castlewellan
Series 18
Loughinisland v Mayobridge
Clonduff v Liatroim
Kilcoo v Saval
Series 19
Mayobridge v Clonduff
Longstone v An Riocht
Burren v Castlewellan
Saval v Loughinisland
Liatroim v Kilcoo
Series 20
Liatroim v Mayobridge
Kilcoo v Loughinisland
Series 21
Loughinisland v Clonduff
Ballyholland v Longstone
Series 22
Clonduff v Kilcoo
Mayobridge v Saval
Liatroim v Loughinisland
Castlewellan v An Riocht
Burren v Ballyholland
Longstone v Rostrevor




Looks like six weeks minimum before play offs in div one - If Mayobridge get a run in Ulster at all it will be even more - surely this is unacceptable, the league will run to Christmas. This will probably put an end to any Under 20 Football?
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Post by: bredaghgael86 on October 06, 2008, 10:09:22 AM
Actually very surprised the galgets beat the ports yday. was it because they were simply better, or did the ports underestimate them without magic there? congradulations to them, hopefully give ulster a rattle too.  also well done to ballela, great result at the weekend. hopefully youse beat setanta next week, go one better thn we did last year.
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Post by: 5 Sams on October 06, 2008, 12:53:29 PM
Wednesday 8th Oct 8 00
ACFL Div 1
Burren v Castlewellan
Saturday 11th Oct 1 00
ACFL Div 1
Mayobridge v Clonduff
Longstone v An Riocht
Saval v Loughinisland
Liatroim v Kilcoo
ACFL Div 2
Downpatrick v Bryansford
Clann na Banna v Shamrocks
Ballymartin v Warrenpoint
ACFL Div 3
St John Bosco v Saul
Carryduff v Teconnaught
Glasdrumman v St Pauls
Glenn v Drumgath
Bredagh v Mitchels
ACFL Div 4
Aughlisnafinn v St Johns
Aghaderg v Ballykinlar
Sunday 12th Oct 1 00
ACHL Div 1
Portaferry v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Liatriom
ACHL Div 2
Ballycran v Clonduff
ACPRL Div 2
Longstone v Bredagh
Warrenpoint v Saval
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Powerade Minor Football Championship Final
Pairc Esler 2 15
Ath Bhriain v Droichead Mhaigh Eo(N Cousins)
Around A Pound Intremediate Championship Final
Pairc Esler 4 00
Eanach Cluana v Crois Darach(D Laverty)
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Post by: centre 3/4s on October 06, 2008, 01:29:54 PM
Now that the county board have invested heavily in floodlighting for both Newcastle and Newry would it not be the sensible thing to play the play offs over 1 week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ballybredagh on October 06, 2008, 01:52:22 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on October 05, 2008, 08:01:14 PM
Ulster Junior Hurling Club Championship @ Davitt Pk

Ballela 1.19 St. Malachys Portadown 2.8

Great result for Ballela.  Who's next? Setanta are the team to beat; really surprised me how good some of their players were in last year's Ulster JHC. Cullen/Campbell would make most senior club sides in Ulster, but I'm sure you've done your homework on them, if they are next up.

Good luck in any case; it would be a great lift for Down hurling if Ballela, Laotroim and Bellygalget could win their respective titles.
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Post by: Maiden1 on October 06, 2008, 04:54:59 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 06, 2008, 08:21:01 AM
Quote from: umpire on October 05, 2008, 09:39:49 PM
Remaining Div one fixtures
Series 17
Liatroim v Castlewellan
Series 18
Loughinisland v Mayobridge
Clonduff v Liatroim
Kilcoo v Saval
Series 19
Mayobridge v Clonduff
Longstone v An Riocht
Burren v Castlewellan
Saval v Loughinisland
Liatroim v Kilcoo
Series 20
Liatroim v Mayobridge
Kilcoo v Loughinisland
Series 21
Loughinisland v Clonduff
Ballyholland v Longstone
Series 22
Clonduff v Kilcoo
Mayobridge v Saval
Liatroim v Loughinisland
Castlewellan v An Riocht
Burren v Ballyholland
Longstone v Rostrevor




Looks like six weeks minimum before play offs in div one - If Mayobridge get a run in Ulster at all it will be even more - surely this is unacceptable, the league will run to Christmas. This will probably put an end to any Under 20 Football?

It's a long season all right.  If you are in any of the playoff's you could be playing football in december then starting back pre-season in January.  You can get a bit sick looking at a football by the end of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 06, 2008, 06:06:59 PM

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It's a long season all right.  If you are in any of the playoff's you could be playing football in december then starting back pre-season in January.  You can get a bit sick looking at a football by the end of it.
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This has to stop. It's bad enough for boys who only play club football, but what about those that play for the county or a university team, or all three. Only the fanatical would not be sick at the sight of a football come November.

It's time to reduce divisions 1,2 & 3 to ten teams. I am aware that would put teams into division 4 that would be way too strong but we can work on that. That's the way it used to be and the way it should be. I am aware this has been discussed before and teams have vetoed the proposals, usually out of self interest, in an effort to stay up. Nonetheless for the good of Down football and the players sanity it time for a ten team division. Top and bottom three instead of four in a ten team league also means less playoff games. Might mean Turkeys voting for Christmas in some cases (and I don't exclude my own club from that statement) but rather that, than the present debacle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 06, 2008, 06:16:44 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on October 05, 2008, 12:14:49 AM
Div 3.
So, despite 3 of the top 4 losing today the four playoff contenders have now decided.  Glasdrumman, Ardglass, Bredagh and Carryduff. 

Question for the Drumgath posters, do you think Mickey Linden will be there next year? I'd have put ye down as near certainties to at least reach the playoffs this year. I know you're at an immediate disadvantage in division three because of county commitments but would still have expected better. Not winding here, genuinely wondering, is it you, is it him or do you feel you're headed in the right direction?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 06, 2008, 08:08:23 PM
Quote from: passedit on October 06, 2008, 06:16:44 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on October 05, 2008, 12:14:49 AM
Div 3.
So, despite 3 of the top 4 losing today the four playoff contenders have now decided.  Glasdrumman, Ardglass, Bredagh and Carryduff. 

Question for the Drumgath posters, do you think Mickey Linden will be there next year? I'd have put ye down as near certainties to at least reach the playoffs this year. I know you're at an immediate disadvantage in division three because of county commitments but would still have expected better. Not winding here, genuinely wondering, is it you, is it him or do you feel you're headed in the right direction?


I would much rather hear Mickeys take on the whole div.3 thing surely they could not point the finger at him in any case im sure he is watching games in that division thinking he could run rings around all the defences in it. Personaly I would say that the premier reserve league offers better quality football than div.3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on October 06, 2008, 08:32:24 PM
THEIR two teams may have been engaged in one of the best rivalries of recent times, but Tyrone manager Mickey Harte and current Ulster manager Joe Kernan will team up to manage an Allstar team that will face Armagh in a charity match.

Joe may have gotten one over Mickey in 02 while the Red Hand boss gained revenge in 03 and 05, but the duo will be plotting the downfall of Peter McDonnell and the current Ulster champions.
The event is being held in Dromintee on Saturday, October 18 and a host of big names will be lining out for the Allstar side including Justin McMahon, Brian Dooher, Graham Geraghty, Kieran McGeeney, Eamon O'Hara, Marty McGrath, Oisin McConville, Darren Clarke and Kevin McGourty.
A number of past greats, including Joe Brolly, Benny Tierney, Colm O'Rourke and Jimmy Smith, will also be there to take part or to offer their expertise through the microphone.

A number of other personalities, including Irish rugby international Rob Kearney, will also be present on the day and a 'nite-of-the-races' and charity auction, which will auction off a number of signed jerseys amongst other items, will follow the game.

Justin McMahon is a busy man at present after his impressive display in the All-Ireland final, but he is more than happy to help out on the day. Speaking from the launch in Belfast, the Omagh St Enda's man stressed the importance of the cause.

"It is great to see GAA players involved in such events," he said. "When you come to these things you realise how important these things are when tragedies like this affect GAA clubs. There has been a lot of great organisation involved.

McMahon is still on a high after their final triumph over Kerry but is glad to getting straight back into the action as his side face up to Dromore in the WJ Dolan SFC this Sunday.

"I was back up in Belfast this week so things calmed down a wee bit. We will have to keep our feet on the ground because Dromore will prove tough opposition. We just have to give the club championship a rattle and see how things go."

Armagh's Gareth O'Neill is delighted to see such a high calibre of players lining out in his home club.

"It is a great cause and hopefully the crowds will respond to it because there are some superb footballers travelling from all over the country."

It will only be the second time Armagh have lined out in Dromintee and they will provide fitting opposition to the Allstar team as the south Armagh club have five members on the county panel – O'Neill, Aidan O'Rourke, Martin O'Rourke, Micheal O'Rourke and Barry Shannon – the largest representation in the club's history.

"It will be a great day for the club," said O'Neill. "But it is more about raising the funds for such a good cause and it will be a great day's craic all round. I am expecting a big crowd and hopefully the day gets the support it deserves."

The match has been organised in memory of Gerald Fearon who was killed in a car crash two years ago. Admission is by voluntary donation and all proceeds will go to the Irish Air Ambulance service. Throw in is at 6.30pm.

Lads nice touch. The brother of the other person killed in the crash has donated too excellent items for the auction:

1 -  a signed Pele shirt , framed and all. Limited addition, think he only signed 50 and

2 - signed Maradonna shirt - same goes re: frame, limited addition.

Anyone likely to head?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 06, 2008, 10:15:21 PM
Any betting odds for Sundays IFC Final??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on October 07, 2008, 08:48:55 AM

Question for the Drumgath posters, do you think Mickey Linden will be there next year? I'd have put ye down as near certainties to at least reach the playoffs this year. I know you're at an immediate disadvantage in division three because of county commitments but would still have expected better. Not winding here, genuinely wondering, is it you, is it him or do you feel you're headed in the right direction?


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Drumgath have contributed to their own downfall. It cant be blamed on the management. At the start of the year we lost 3 players to the county, and in June another 3 went to the states for the summer. I know every club is similar when it comes to injuries and that cant be used as an excuse. We also had a few stupid sendings off throught the year, particularly in the first championship game which hit us in the game against annaclone. The players have been turning out in numbers to training all year and this is down to the fact that mickey is the manager.

Your also right about the standard of football in division three, Some of our own reserve games have been better to watch. Mickey also takes part in training regularly so he would probably love the chance to play a few games  ;D we could do with him!

Hopefully he stays on for another year, as we do have 5/6 young players coming through as our U-16 teams have won the Down B championship thats last 2 years running.

Unlike previous years, no one has a bad word to say about the manager, so homefully come Feb in castlewellen park he will still be pushing us around that lake! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 07, 2008, 01:40:37 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 06, 2008, 04:54:59 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 06, 2008, 08:21:01 AM
Quote from: umpire on October 05, 2008, 09:39:49 PM
Remaining Div one fixtures
Series 17
Liatroim v Castlewellan
Series 18
Loughinisland v Mayobridge
Clonduff v Liatroim
Kilcoo v Saval
Series 19
Mayobridge v Clonduff
Longstone v An Riocht
Burren v Castlewellan
Saval v Loughinisland
Liatroim v Kilcoo
Series 20
Liatroim v Mayobridge
Kilcoo v Loughinisland
Series 21
Loughinisland v Clonduff
Ballyholland v Longstone
Series 22
Clonduff v Kilcoo
Mayobridge v Saval
Liatroim v Loughinisland
Castlewellan v An Riocht
Burren v Ballyholland
Longstone v Rostrevor




Looks like six weeks minimum before play offs in div one - If Mayobridge get a run in Ulster at all it will be even more - surely this is unacceptable, the league will run to Christmas. This will probably put an end to any Under 20 Football?

It's a long season all right.  If you are in any of the playoff's you could be playing football in december then starting back pre-season in January.  You can get a bit sick looking at a football by the end of it.

it was clear to see from around the start of the championship time that the league fixtures were goin to pile up. i don't think theres much that can be done to prevent this and don't think the board should be blamed for this! if the bridge have a run in ulster fair play to them they deserve it, and also they are representing down so we should support them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 07, 2008, 01:42:26 PM
Why not play friday and monday nights in may and june?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 07, 2008, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: SQUAREBALL on October 07, 2008, 08:48:55 AM

Question for the Drumgath posters, do you think Mickey Linden will be there next year? I'd have put ye down as near certainties to at least reach the playoffs this year. I know you're at an immediate disadvantage in division three because of county commitments but would still have expected better. Not winding here, genuinely wondering, is it you, is it him or do you feel you're headed in the right direction?



Drumgath have contributed to their own downfall. It cant be blamed on the management. At the start of the year we lost 3 players to the county, and in June another 3 went to the states for the summer. I know every club is similar when it comes to injuries and that cant be used as an excuse. We also had a few stupid sendings off throught the year, particularly in the first championship game which hit us in the game against annaclone. The players have been turning out in numbers to training all year and this is down to the fact that mickey is the manager.

Your also right about the standard of football in division three, Some of our own reserve games have been better to watch. Mickey also takes part in training regularly so he would probably love the chance to play a few games  ;D we could do with him!

Hopefully he stays on for another year, as we do have 5/6 young players coming through as our U-16 teams have won the Down B championship thats last 2 years running.

Unlike previous years, no one has a bad word to say about the manager, so homefully come Feb in castlewellen park he will still be pushing us around that lake! ;)
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I wish the rest of the county shared your view, we cant get Newry for a challenge game!!!! we were not allowed to train on it last year or this year before the county final yet Crossmaglen were allowed to train on it before last years Ulster final!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 07, 2008, 03:23:33 PM
looking forward to the minor championship final on sunday, has the potential to be a cracker.  bryansford will obviously be going in as favorites, they beat the bridge in the u16 final 2 years ago.  hopefully them 3 hard games against kilcoo will stand by the lads.  i would advise people to make their way to newry on sunday and watch what should be the best minor final for a long time in this county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 07, 2008, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 06, 2008, 06:06:59 PM


This has to stop. It's bad enough for boys who only play club football, but what about those that play for the county or a university team, or all three. Only the fanatical would not be sick at the sight of a football come November.

It's time to reduce divisions 1,2 & 3 to ten teams. I am aware that would put teams into division 4 that would be way too strong but we can work on that. That's the way it used to be and the way it should be. I am aware this has been discussed before and teams have vetoed the proposals, usually out of self interest, in an effort to stay up. Nonetheless for the good of Down football and the players sanity it time for a ten team division. Top and bottom three instead of four in a ten team league also means less playoff games. Might mean Turkeys voting for Christmas in some cases (and I don't exclude my own club from that statement) but rather that, than the present debacle.

Agree with many of your sentiments,but not your solution.If as you propose 10 teams,that will mean only 18 league games,and 2 less home gates.If you're knocked out in 1st round of championship,that could mean only 19 games in total.On past experience 15 of these games will be squeezed into April,May,June.Leaving just 4 games to be played in the other 9 months--Well at least that leaves lads free to go to the states for the summer,and arrange as many weddings,stag weekends,concerts as they want.The other spin-off is that their soccer managers will be delighted!

No,I'm afraid we're going to need a more radical solution than that,Blue Island.
Here goes:

Problems-
prolonged season,burnout,fixture or time changes,playoffs promoting teams ill-equipped for higher league.conflict with county teams,sporadic fixtures in sept/oct-too many teams twiddling their thumbs at this time of year.

Possible Solution, open to debate:
1.A league should be just that-it should give an overall view of the consistency of  a club throughout a season,with and without county players-it should be accepted by all clubs that the league is a secondary competition,that they  may have to play without their county men,but that the league is totally independent of championship status-the purpose of the league should be to provide regular fixed date football for all club players.County players can play any league games they are released for.Top team promoted,bottom relegated,with next 3 teams from top and bottom playing off on the last day of the season--"Playoff Day".This top 4/bottom 4 scenario should keep the league honest ,right to the end!This would allow a 14 team div 1,2 and ?3,with 26 league games,1 playoff day.Max 27 games.(with 2 extra home fixtures to keep club treasurer happy).The change to 3 leagues would expose so many potential county players to a higher level of football.

2.The championship must be played with county players.There should be an initial round robin competition for seeding e.g.4 groups of 4,then all teams enter 1st round,after which winners take part in  "A" Q-finals and losers in "B" Q-finals.Giving all clubs at least 5,and maximum of 7 championship games.In JFC there will be 10-11 teams only-therefore giving some teams a bye into the Q-final.

3.Club season should start in March and finish 36weeks later in November,with a 16 week close season.There are a maximum of 34 fixtures which leaves 2 weeks for July hols,and no more than 1 game per week.The only exception to this being that if a club applies in advance to have a free weekend on AI weekend,their intended fixture is brought forward to a set Monday in August.

4.All fixtures and times should be rigid and not changed for any reason.In the case of a funeral,that match must be played on a Monday within 2 weeks.

5.All matches from September onwards should be fixed for Saturday at a set time.

6.Some may ask how are we going to fit in what amounts to an extra 5 fixtures-answer: in March/April prior to the current start date of 2nd week in April.But it will require imagination from the clubs to accept that league fixtures will go ahead regardless of county players,and sometimes on Saturdays(this happens anyway)-this takes the pressure of county players and the fixtures secretary.

7.At the risk of incuuring the wrath of fíor gaels out there,I'll make a Rugby analogy:Essentially this proposed system is the equivalent of Magniers league and Heinikin cup in Rugby.Magniers league games are played mostly without internationals,giving a secondary yet prestigious competition.All the big guns are then wheeled out for the Heinikin cup,which is a more prestigious ,yet compact competition.

What are contributors thoughts on this?In my opinion the status quo is no longer an option.Undoubtedly the biggest problem is the unpredictability of fixtures-and this is losing alot of players and mentors to the GAA,especially married ones.Importantly,we all have a responsiibility to our county players-and let's face it county success will benefit all gaels throughout the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 07, 2008, 03:50:57 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 07, 2008, 01:42:26 PM
Why not play friday and monday nights in may and june?

With the credit crunch more and more players will be travelling further to work-making monday fixtures difficult for some.The current glut of fixture in may jun e.g 4 fixtures in 10 days is tough on amateur players and if a club has a few injuries,these compact fixtures could crucify them.

I'm afraid spirit the only solution is big clubs like yourselves accepting that in the interest of giving consistent fixtures to club players ,most league fixtures must go ahead without county men.This already happens with the starred system anyway.My argument is that we must reinforce the primacy of the championship,and yet league consistency must be rewarded.

Your relegation  last year and div 2 performance this year was a prime example.You are far too good for Div 2 ,but a few injuries ,and a couple of dodgy refereeing decisions on a boggy pitch in November could consign you to another year in div 2.Not only is that bad for bryansford ,its bad for the county.

My proposed system would see league winners promoted directly and bottom div 1 team relegated directly ,with 2nd placed  having to play 2nd bottom  in div 1 to prove they  are equipped for the top tier. etc.

I proposed 3 divisions ,but it may be fairer to keep the current 4 divisions for next season,with any alteration in numbers in individual  divisions at the end of 2009 season-with every club pre-warned accordingly.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 07, 2008, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 07, 2008, 03:27:18 PM


What are contributors thoughts on this?In my opinion the status quo is no longer an option.Undoubtedly the biggest problem is the unpredictability of fixtures-and this is losing alot of players and mentors to the GAA,especially married ones.Importantly,we all have a responsiibility to our county players-and let's face it county success will benefit all gaels throughout the county.

Just reading your post 6th Sam, but have to run along for my dinner so don't have the requisite time to consider the entirety of your post yet. There is definite merit in extending the championship as per your proposals.

However, quite apart from the arguments I made in my original post, there is also, I think, the point that extending the divisions to 14 will only get rid of the intensity needed. At the moment there are too many teams in Down going through the motions, content in having divsion one or two status, safe in the knowledge that if they play in fits and spurts they can avoid relegation. A 14 team divsion will only exacerbate this trend. Less games and more intensity would not only help the improvement of players but also the county squad.

On a final caveat, I would commend the county board  on the way they run the leagues. When all is said and done, they do a good job with the format as it stands, but it is the format that needs changed. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 07, 2008, 05:35:02 PM
There's too many league matches with the play-offs. They should reduce the size of the leagues to 10 with top& bottem 3 playing off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 07, 2008, 06:18:11 PM
There are 43 league teams so the 4 divisions should have 11 teams (1 have 10 obviously). You get to play 20 league games.   Division 4 has 6 teams in it at the minute so you play 5 teams 4 times.  Fair play to St John's but some of there matches is like an under 12 match where you win by 20+ points.  At least if division 4 had 10 or 11 teams the matches would be meaningful and the rest of the leagues would finish a few weeks earlier as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dromara Gael on October 07, 2008, 06:48:53 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 07, 2008, 06:18:11 PM
There are 43 league teams so the 4 divisions should have 11 teams (1 have 10 obviously). You get to play 20 league games.   Division 4 has 6 teams in it at the minute so you play 5 teams 4 times.  Fair play to St John's but some of there matches is like an under 12 match where you win by 20+ points.  At least if division 4 had 10 or 11 teams the matches would be meaningful and the rest of the leagues would finish a few weeks earlier as well.

Three divisions is the only answer, playing teams 4 times is a joke. St. Johns would'nt be giving Aghaderg many points in that situation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 07, 2008, 07:09:42 PM
Quote from: Dromara Gael on October 07, 2008, 06:48:53 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 07, 2008, 06:18:11 PM
There are 43 league teams so the 4 divisions should have 11 teams (1 have 10 obviously). You get to play 20 league games.   Division 4 has 6 teams in it at the minute so you play 5 teams 4 times.  Fair play to St John's but some of there matches is like an under 12 match where you win by 20+ points.  At least if division 4 had 10 or 11 teams the matches would be meaningful and the rest of the leagues would finish a few weeks earlier as well.

Three divisions is the only answer, playing teams 4 times is a joke. St. Johns would'nt be giving Aghaderg many points in that situation
Aughlisnafin, Ballykinlar & Killyleagh should play in East Down league. That leaves 40 - 10 in each Division playing home and away, 18 league games plus play-offs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 07, 2008, 07:53:47 PM
can some one refreash my merory here.. what changes to the set up did the clubs reject last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on October 07, 2008, 10:35:30 PM
Quote from: Dromara Gael on October 07, 2008, 06:48:53 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 07, 2008, 06:18:11 PM
There are 43 league teams so the 4 divisions should have 11 teams (1 have 10 obviously). You get to play 20 league games.   Division 4 has 6 teams in it at the minute so you play 5 teams 4 times.  Fair play to St John's but some of there matches is like an under 12 match where you win by 20+ points.  At least if division 4 had 10 or 11 teams the matches would be meaningful and the rest of the leagues would finish a few weeks earlier as well.

Three divisions is the only answer, playing teams 4 times is a joke. St. Johns would'nt be giving Aghaderg many points in that situation
What was the result of the Aghaderg v. Bright match?  Did Aghaderg make the extra point they needed to overtake Dromara and get promotion?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fred the red on October 07, 2008, 10:40:36 PM
Send Magheralin into Armagh, that would help cut down on the number of games in div 3!!!!   :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on October 08, 2008, 12:10:35 AM
The fixtures at the minute are something of a joke. Clubs like my own are being left high and dry by the county board through their pig ignorance to play games on Saturdays.
Whats wrong with sundays? Clubs that are based in towns are being crucified as many of there players play both GAA & Soccer.

How can you try to encourage boys to come play GAA when at the most crucial part of the season we decide to stage our games on the same day as one of the biggest sports in the country?
Clubs like Banbridge, Castlewellan, Downpatrick and the Newry clubs are I'm sure in the same situation.
Whats wrong with Sundays? The playoffs decide a clubs fate for the forthcoming year yet some clubs cant put out there strongest teams due to the idiocracy of the fixtures being set!! >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 08, 2008, 08:46:13 AM
I don't see the problem with the season running until November, the close season is too long if it runs from October-March in my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on October 08, 2008, 09:25:41 AM
my view is the season should start earlier. we were training in mid january so they should have started in march as we had hoped but they were put back(possibly because of under 21s-not sure). its good that we can play football until november(although some nights are freezing) as we get a bit bored during winter but there was a number of weeks when we had no game at all and thats frustrating. our seconds have not played  a game in 9 weeks yet we have five left. there should be 4 divisions and reduced to 10 as there are always teams not good enough for example dundrum in div 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 08, 2008, 10:24:58 AM
They used to start games in March. But season after season March's fixtures got wiped out by the weather - and refixtures are the main reason why seasons drag on. Starting in April with a flurry of fixtures before county commitments kick in makes more sense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 08, 2008, 10:30:37 AM
Quote from: guevara on October 08, 2008, 12:10:35 AM
The fixtures at the minute are something of a joke. Clubs like my own are being left high and dry by the county board through their pig ignorance to play games on Saturdays.
Whats wrong with sundays? Clubs that are based in towns are being crucified as many of there players play both GAA & Soccer.

How can you try to encourage boys to come play GAA when at the most crucial part of the season we decide to stage our games on the same day as one of the biggest sports in the country?
Clubs like Banbridge, Castlewellan, Downpatrick and the Newry clubs are I'm sure in the same situation.
Whats wrong with Sundays? The playoffs decide a clubs fate for the forthcoming year yet some clubs cant put out there strongest teams due to the idiocracy of the fixtures being set!! >:(

Is it by accident or design that the league changes to Saturday at this time of the season?  Quite handy when you need 2 points to stay out of the playoffs to get Downpatrick or other town teams on a saturday.  The same in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 08, 2008, 11:28:55 AM
  I don't think you can blame the county fixtures secretary for fellas choosing soccer over football, although I agree that there is no reason the Saturday fixtures can't be played on a Sunday.  However a lad is either committed to his club or he isn't.

  It's not as if they are running the Premier Reserve league on a Sunday, our seconds haven't had a game since July 7 (we'll say nothing about last Sunday cloneman)!

  Lecale2, I see your point about the three teams you mention but I believe as the senior teams in their club they should be allowed to compete against other senior teams.  To play against reserve teams would be detrimental to any future development, what inspiration would any U-12 get from watching his club's senior side play against Ardglass II's?  How many volunteers would you get to stay on board if the senior team was in that position?  I remember Burren II's beating us in the JFC and it took the football side of things about 15 years to recover.

  I think relegation and promotion should be scrapped for this year and we should all start from a clean slate next year.   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 08, 2008, 12:04:31 PM
I think 6th sam has a point as i know in our club the championship (which is the life blood off the GAA) is treated as a second rate competetion to the league. It is taking more and more money to run our clubs and smaller clubs are looking to the gate money to help them survive month to month.
I feel we need to get our championship back and what 6th sam has is a good enough start.
The three teams mentioned need to be playing senior grade football even if it is a poor junior standard, this enables them to develop players from their underage ranks.
No1 we know why you want it scrapped this year :D ;)
P.S.
Why have the league games been brought forward to 1pm this week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 08, 2008, 01:31:47 PM
Quote from: off the laces on October 08, 2008, 12:04:31 PM
I think 6th sam has a point as i know in our club the championship (which is the life blood off the GAA) is treated as a second rate competetion to the league. It is taking more and more money to run our clubs and smaller clubs are looking to the gate money to help them survive month to month.
I feel we need to get our championship back and what 6th sam has is a good enough start.
The three teams mentioned need to be playing senior grade football even if it is a poor junior standard, this enables them to develop players from their underage ranks.
No1 we know why you want it scrapped this year :D ;)
P.S.
Why have the league games been brought forward to 1pm this week?


PLEASE INCLUDE / ANNOUNCE A FEW TIMES / SPREAD THE WORD. THANK YOU.

 

Saturday 11 th October

5pm in St. Patricks Park Newcastle

Challenge Football Match

East Down Referees v South Down Referees

All proceeds to the Charities championed by

The Late Michael Cole (RIP)

Lord Mayor of Newry & Mourne who collapsed and died

while refereeing a Down Division One game in July.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on October 08, 2008, 05:05:05 PM
Quote from: western exile on October 07, 2008, 10:35:30 PM
Quote from: Dromara Gael on October 07, 2008, 06:48:53 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 07, 2008, 06:18:11 PM
There are 43 league teams so the 4 divisions should have 11 teams (1 have 10 obviously). You get to play 20 league games.   Division 4 has 6 teams in it at the minute so you play 5 teams 4 times.  Fair play to St John's but some of there matches is like an under 12 match where you win by 20+ points.  At least if division 4 had 10 or 11 teams the matches would be meaningful and the rest of the leagues would finish a few weeks earlier as well.

Three divisions is the only answer, playing teams 4 times is a joke. St. Johns would'nt be giving Aghaderg many points in that situation
What was the result of the Aghaderg v. Bright match?  Did Aghaderg make the extra point they needed to overtake Dromara and get promotion?

Think aghaderg won this game handy enough, anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 08, 2008, 05:45:37 PM
rumour!

lads, i hear that there is serious consideration being given to changing our league & championship system from this season on.

I know this was mooted by Saul a couple of years back, but didnt get anywhere, but now the county management team have suggested moving div1 to 16 teams, 12 as existing and top 4 from div2 from end of season. that 16 makes up the senior championship - they play 15 league games only and we have 4 group round robin champions league style championship.

div2 and 3 amalgamate in the same way, and then we have div4 added to by premier reserve teams.....

sound slike a plan to me and could give alot of clubs in down a serious kickstart!! any thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on October 08, 2008, 05:59:01 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 08, 2008, 11:28:55 AM
  I don't think you can blame the county fixtures secretary for fellas choosing soccer over football, although I agree that there is no reason the Saturday fixtures can't be played on a Sunday.  However a lad is either committed to his club or he isn't.


So a guy who trains in the gutters from January sometimes 4 or 5 nights a week with both codes isnt committed to his club? Its the County board who put these players in the predicament they shouldnt have to face!
If a fella plays Soccer from underage & decides to go back to the Gaelic in his minor or U21 years then of course the Soccer will always have priority if he is forced to choose. So why not play the games Sundays? We are forcing boys away from the clubs and people question year after year why these clubs underachieve because they have great catchment areas with talented footballers??? Maybe this is a significant factor?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 08, 2008, 06:33:12 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on October 08, 2008, 05:45:37 PM
rumour!

lads, i hear that there is serious consideration being given to changing our league & championship system from this season on.

I know this was mooted by Saul a couple of years back, but didnt get anywhere, but now the county management team have suggested moving div1 to 16 teams, 12 as existing and top 4 from div2 from end of season. that 16 makes up the senior championship - they play 15 league games only and we have 4 group round robin champions league style championship.

div2 and 3 amalgamate in the same way, and then we have div4 added to by premier reserve teams.....

sound slike a plan to me and could give alot of clubs in down a serious kickstart!! any thoughts?

Reserve teams in div 4 is a non-starter,it is open to abuse by clubs manipulating their top 13.I ,like No.1, remember being beaten in the JFC and div 4 by "reserve" teams heavily laced with 1st teamers.
There is an already fair league and championship for all reserve teams.

Regardless of the numbers in each division,there are a few  principles which must be adhered to, to ensure the success of any system.
1.closed season nov to feb.
2.rigid unchangeable fixture dates and times.
3.no more than 1 game per week-unless refixture.
4.games for all clubs most weekends in sept/oct.
5.clubs must accept that leagues must proceed regardless of county committments(magniers league).Promotion/relegation should reward/punish on the basis of a team's level of performance over a season.With promotion automatic if say 80% of maximum pts achieved,and relegation automatic if 20% not achieved.
6.extended championship series,including B championship for 1st round losers.With championship status independent of league status (heinikin cup)
7.acceptance that when nights are darker,saturday games are unavoidable given the likelihood of other GAA games on Sundays in sept/oct.
8.county player welfare and county success benefits us all
9.reduction in home games and thereby gate receipts and publicity is unlikely to be favoured by any club.
10.current 4 round div 4 must be changed,it must be demoralising to those teams involved and will be further undermined if other clubs go down the road of annsboro and killyleagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 08, 2008, 07:24:34 PM
Does anyone know the score of  Burren v Longstone in Div one match on 29th Sept, I know Burren won by a few points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on October 08, 2008, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 07, 2008, 07:09:42 PM
Aughlisnafin, Ballykinlar & Killyleagh should play in East Down league.

Why?  They have as much right to ACFL status as any other club...Don't so condescending ..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on October 08, 2008, 07:57:13 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on October 08, 2008, 05:45:37 PM
rumour!

lads, i hear that there is serious consideration being given to changing our league & championship system from this season on.

I know this was mooted by Saul a couple of years back, but didnt get anywhere, but now the county management team have suggested moving div1 to 16 teams, 12 as existing and top 4 from div2 from end of season. that 16 makes up the senior championship - they play 15 league games only and we have 4 group round robin champions league style championship.

div2 and 3 amalgamate in the same way, and then we have div4 added to by premier reserve teams.....

sound slike a plan to me and could give alot of clubs in down a serious kickstart!! any thoughts?

how do you decide who gets home advantage in the league games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 08, 2008, 08:33:56 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on October 08, 2008, 07:57:13 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on October 08, 2008, 05:45:37 PM
rumour!

lads, i hear that there is serious consideration being given to changing our league & championship system from this season on.

I know this was mooted by Saul a couple of years back, but didnt get anywhere, but now the county management team have suggested moving div1 to 16 teams, 12 as existing and top 4 from div2 from end of season. that 16 makes up the senior championship - they play 15 league games only and we have 4 group round robin champions league style championship.

div2 and 3 amalgamate in the same way, and then we have div4 added to by premier reserve teams.....

sound slike a plan to me and could give alot of clubs in down a serious kickstart!! any thoughts?

how do you decide who gets home advantage in the league games?

was this similar to the prososal that was rejected lest year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 08, 2008, 10:09:51 PM
Quote
Regardless of the numbers in each division,there are a few  principles which must be adhered to, to ensure the success of any system.
1.closed season nov to feb.
2.rigid unchangeable fixture dates and times.
3.no more than 1 game per week-unless refixture.
4.games for all clubs most weekends in sept/oct.
5.clubs must accept that leagues must proceed regardless of county committments(magniers league).Promotion/relegation should reward/punish on the basis of a team's level of performance over a season.With promotion automatic if say 80% of maximum pts achieved,and relegation automatic if 20% not achieved.
6.extended championship series,including B championship for 1st round losers.With championship status independent of league status (heinikin cup)
7.acceptance that when nights are darker,saturday games are unavoidable given the likelihood of other GAA games on Sundays in sept/oct.
8.county player welfare and county success benefits us all
9.reduction in home games and thereby gate receipts and publicity is unlikely to be favoured by any club.
10.current 4 round div 4 must be changed,it must be demoralising to those teams involved and will be further undermined if other clubs go down the road of annsboro and killyleagh.
I wouldn't go along with much of this.

2. Rigid unchangeable fixture dates and times.
This just isn't a nice suggestion. Club footballers, especially those at the higher end of things, give a huge amount of the best years of their life in service of their club. Most of them will, during that time, pick up a wee lady and get married. If his bride is anything like most brides, she'll want a summer wedding, preferably on a Friday. Having spent so many years training with a group of fellas, it's only natural that they'll be invited to the party. Forcing clubs to fulfil fixtures in these situations is horrible and unnecessary. It goes against the ethos of the organisation.

Secondly, it is almost inconceivable that over the course of a season at least one set of fixtures will not be wiped out to due to bad weather, county commitments or club championship commitments, replays etc, or deaths of important Gaels.

3. No more than 1 game a week.
I believe this is the path Sean Rooney tried to take this season, and as a result, we'll be playing games til December. During late April and May, when the evenings are long enough and the pitches are firm enough, playing one week with 2 games and one week with one game would be perfectly acceptable to most players - and would alleviate so much fixture deadlock.

4. games for all clubs most weekends in September.
This will never happen when the Down championship is compressed. It's isn't feasible. Personally I prefer the compressed format, although I can see purpose in arguments against it. Either way you'll have begrudgers.

5. clubs must accept that leagues must proceed regardless of county committments
Every club I know of accepts the starred system is necessary evil. It's a superb system, don't f**k with it.

6. extended championship series,including B championship for 1st round losers.With championship status independent of league status.
Disagree with this entirely and completely. Nobody, anywhere, wants to play in a B Championship. all this would do is block off weekends that could be used for league football.
The second point  I disagree with more. In Down, you work your way into Senior football, and your team is responsible for keeping that status. It isn't decided by back-patting in a boardroom. It isn't decided by out of touch committee members.
Am I wrong? Well, tell me how many teams from outside Division I have had an SFC run in the past 20 years. One, maybe two? League football is the single strongest indicator of how good your team is and where it belongs.

10. current 4 round div 4 must be changed,it must be demoralising to those teams involved and will be further undermined if other clubs go down the road of annsboro and killyleagh.
I have no problem with Division IV being revamped, but not for the reasons you suggest. Division IV is the bottom of the pile. Pretending it is otherwise is just a pile of liberal nonsense. Teams aren't equal in this world, and clubs aren't equal in this world. If teams want to be treated more "equally", they should knuckle down on the training ground and force their way up the divisions.


 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 09, 2008, 07:59:03 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on October 08, 2008, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 07, 2008, 07:09:42 PM
Aughlisnafin, Ballykinlar & Killyleagh should play in East Down league.

Why?  They have as much right to ACFL status as any other club...Don't so condescending ..

That was a perfectly reasonable suggestion. Nothing condescending about it.

Aughlisnafin have won 1 game in the 4-5 years they've been back in football. Killyleagh dropped out this year because they were getting hammered week in and week out. Ballykinlar have a great tradition but they are a long way below the standards set by St John's, Aghaderg etc in Div 4.

Playing in East Down would give these clubs regular football at their own standard. When they improve they can move up. Pretending they are up to Div 4 standard at the minute is ignoring the blindingly obvious.
The suggestion is practical rather than condescending and may encourage Killyleagh back at adult level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the derg on October 09, 2008, 10:02:35 AM
aghaderg beat bright handy enough  meaning we are level on points with dromara with a game in hand against ballykinlar so hopefully we will be promoted along with st johns this sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 09, 2008, 11:07:42 AM
playing 2 games a week during the summer is the way to go,  if that was done this year the laegues would prob be over by now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 09, 2008, 11:10:48 AM
burren beat castlewellan 1.14 - 1.04 last night

fixture with Ballyholland organised for Monday night under lights
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 09, 2008, 11:36:04 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 09, 2008, 07:59:03 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on October 08, 2008, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 07, 2008, 07:09:42 PM
Aughlisnafin, Ballykinlar & Killyleagh should play in East Down league.

Why?  They have as much right to ACFL status as any other club...Don't so condescending ..

That was a perfectly reasonable suggestion. Nothing condescending about it.

Aughlisnafin have won 1 game in the 4-5 years they've been back in football. Killyleagh dropped out this year because they were getting hammered week in and week out. Ballykinlar have a great tradition but they are a long way below the standards set by St John's, Aghaderg etc in Div 4.

Playing in East Down would give these clubs regular football at their own standard. When they improve they can move up. Pretending they are up to Div 4 standard at the minute is ignoring the blindingly obvious.
The suggestion is practical rather than condescending and may encourage Killyleagh back at adult level.

Ballykinlar and Dundrum should merge together - they are the same Parish afterall - what I seen last saturday in Newcastle is a cry for help from Dundrum - 6.18 - 0.07, the worst ever seen.
Will McComiskey want to hang around this type of football much longer?
I know I will get slated for this but it is a reasonable suggestion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 09, 2008, 11:51:39 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on October 09, 2008, 11:07:42 AM
playing 2 games a week during the summer is the way to go,  if that was done this year the laegues would prob be over by now.
Bridgegael 2 games a week, lets remember we are amatuers here (managers from poofball cry out if their players have to play 2-3 games in 10 days when they are being paid for it and training full time) we are hearing about player burnout all the time and you want us to play 2 games a week, what about the people who have to go further afield to find work and are more than happy to leave work early on a friday to get to Dunavil/Warrenpoint or Maheralin on a match night to pull on their club colours, do we just ask them to play in the reserves?
Please think about points before you put them to print Gael.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 09, 2008, 12:47:12 PM
last year or the year before the games were played on a friday and tuesday night,   i'm sure club footballers in down could manage to play 2 games in a week,  hardly getting slaughtered now!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 09, 2008, 02:07:09 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on October 03, 2008, 01:21:39 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 02, 2008, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Bacon on October 02, 2008, 08:33:35 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 01, 2008, 10:17:24 AM
Hurling final on Sunday, Portaferry v Ballygalget. Should be a good game.
There's little between the 2 team. Ballygalget beat them in the league a few weeks ago and in the SHC last year but I would still make Portaferry slight favorites. They had a tough semi final with Ballycran whereas the Galgets had a virtual walk over v South Down. Paul Braniff is back and when he plays well so does Portaferry. No quarter will be given or expected in Ballycran and I expect Portaferry to win by 3pts.

Without Magic Portaferry will eat them. If they can stay injury free they might even give Ulster a rattle (for once!).

I don't see us being 'eaten' by Portaferry and if Hugh clamps down on Dules diving big Aaron can keep him quiet enough in the closer confines of Ballycran provided the Ports don't try and suck our two corner backs up the field and they follow them. Wee Liam should be left in to cover around the house. The Ports don't have a whole lot left in the scoring stakes and I'd be more worried about Andy and Cougie in midfield than any of their other scoring threat. A lot will depend on how Gabriel Clarke gets on with BA. If Gabs gets a good start he usually has a stormer, but if BA gets on top Gabs falls away badly as he's no plan B after the tippy tappy stuff fails.
As I've said before we'll need at least parity in midfield to give the forwards enough ball to win the game, something Ballycran managed in spurts by fast early ground hurling to by pass the Ports half back line and trouble a dodgy Portaferry fullbackline. Our half forwards are the line we need to see most improvement out of as Gary Flynn and Stevie Clarke can become non-entities in the game far too easy. They need to start winning their own ball and taking scores now that Magic is gone. I think the ports have a decision to make in who picks up Dingy, as young O'Prey may be a bit green for his wiles. Historically Zelda has done well on Dingy but he's not the same hurler now that he was and may be the man to lose out for Murph's return. I'd expect Paddy Rat to get the nod ahead of Jonny Boon as we need to try exploit any lack of pace in the ports defence but he'll need to be a bit braver than normal.

The Ports will be favourites but I don't see them as world beaters unlike Deccy Bacon and our lads would need to step it up a gear but its not beyond them plus they'll be well reminded of their limp perfomance last year against Ballycran so giving up is not an option.


Good analsys JC. I'd make a couple of comments. Portaferry showed a fair degree of mental strenght against us in the semi. I hear what you're saying but I think they are over that issue now. In previous years they would have crumbled when we had them on the rack but this year they didn't.

I agree with you and Bacon on the lack of strenght in dept and for that reason neither will trouble Ruiri Ogs or Kevin Lynch's. I'm looking forward to a great game and I'd expect Ports to win by 2 but I certainly wouldn't recommend putting any money on it. Is Fox offering odds?


I wasn't surprised by the fact that we won but no one expected the manner of the victory with the 10 point margin being about right.
In a way it was the reverse of our performance last year with the right attitude being shown from the start. If you're attacking the ball you're more inclined to get the bounce and our lads were hungrier to the break and won most throughout the hour.
With Magic gone we had to be smarter with the ball into the forwards and the number of high hopefull balls into the forwards were few and far between. The ball was put into the spaces where both dingy and Stevie Clarke had the run on their respective markers for most of the game and they certainly made hay, Stevie in particular. The Ports were badly weakened by the absence of Murph who still hadn't recovered from his hand injury and poor Zelda got the runaround. I was surprised that Marty didn't at least try to change something in there by maybe throwing in a few of their decent minors who could at least keep up with the pace of the game.
I'm not sure who won the toss, but we started playing down the hill with the stiff enough breeze and that normally means you need a good start and a sizeable lead at half time. The Ports via Dule got the first score on the board but then our forwards started getting the better of their opponets with Stevie Clarke rounding Zelda with ease to give Dinger a handpass for the first goal. He was a bit heavy on the steps before he got his shot away, i'd him on his sixth when he finally hit the ball but some felt he'd even taken more than that. That score settled our lads down but we were giving frees away at the other end to keep the Ports in the game, over zealousness on a few lads part, going in at half time there was still only 5 points in it.
After half time we got the first few scores and you could visibly see the heads go down on a few of the ports players. Dule wasn't getting any change out of big Aaron especially with perma-tan Gabriel staying deep in front of them, BA who strangely started in the corner again wasn't getting any joy out of Stevie Johnston who was happy to wrestle with him and let his colleagues pick up the pieces. With those two ineffectaul Portaferry had nothing left to offer and we pegged on another goal and few points to pull away. Dule rattled over three frees near the end to take the bad look of it but the war was over long before the final whistle. The lack of mental fortitude in the Ports is still very prevalent fi you ask me and their one dimensional attack plan of getting the ball to Dule every time made it easy for us to nullify him. They only managed 3 points from play over the whole game and Graham only had to come out for one catch the whole game, with no real shots at him speaks volumes.

Certainly a much better team performance from our lads but god knows what team will turn up on sunday against Keady. It could be the laboured, scrappy, disjointed one I've watched for most of the year or it might be the one who played some good spells of hurling on sunday, who knows!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 09, 2008, 02:27:51 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on October 09, 2008, 12:47:12 PM
last year or the year before the games were played on a friday and tuesday night,   i'm sure club footballers in down could manage to play 2 games in a week,  hardly getting slaughtered now!
Hurling is played on Tuesday nights.

Sounds like a straightforward win Johnnycool. A big turn around from last year. How did the younger lads do on both sides?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 09, 2008, 02:45:25 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 09, 2008, 11:36:04 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 09, 2008, 07:59:03 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on October 08, 2008, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 07, 2008, 07:09:42 PM
Aughlisnafin, Ballykinlar & Killyleagh should play in East Down league.

Why?  They have as much right to ACFL status as any other club...Don't so condescending ..

That was a perfectly reasonable suggestion. Nothing condescending about it.

Aughlisnafin have won 1 game in the 4-5 years they've been back in football. Killyleagh dropped out this year because they were getting hammered week in and week out. Ballykinlar have a great tradition but they are a long way below the standards set by St John's, Aghaderg etc in Div 4.

Playing in East Down would give these clubs regular football at their own standard. When they improve they can move up. Pretending they are up to Div 4 standard at the minute is ignoring the blindingly obvious.
The suggestion is practical rather than condescending and may encourage Killyleagh back at adult level.

Ballykinlar and Dundrum should merge together - they are the same Parish afterall - what I seen last saturday in Newcastle is a cry for help from Dundrum - 6.18 - 0.07, the worst ever seen.
Will McComiskey want to hang around this type of football much longer?
I know I will get slated for this but it is a reasonable suggestion.

What is the suggestion Spirit that Mc Comiskey wont hang around much longer or we should amalgmate or both??? Cant argue with you about us last Saturday though there are lots of factors contributing that. In short we did perform quite well last year and played fairly well and if we had of brought it up a notch this year I believe would of held our own with quite a few of the teams, though thats all ifs and buts. To say we should amalgmate in theory may seem like a good solution to me its an insult. Maybe down the line you may be proven to be correct but we did win division 3 last year so its not like we have gone to being the whipping boys of Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 09, 2008, 02:50:34 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 09, 2008, 07:59:03 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on October 08, 2008, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 07, 2008, 07:09:42 PM
Aughlisnafin, Ballykinlar & Killyleagh should play in East Down league.

Why?  They have as much right to ACFL status as any other club...Don't so condescending ..

That was a perfectly reasonable suggestion. Nothing condescending about it.

Aughlisnafin have won 1 game in the 4-5 years they've been back in football. Killyleagh dropped out this year because they were getting hammered week in and week out. Ballykinlar have a great tradition but they are a long way below the standards set by St John's, Aghaderg etc in Div 4.

Playing in East Down would give these clubs regular football at their own standard. When they improve they can move up. Pretending they are up to Div 4 standard at the minute is ignoring the blindingly obvious.
The suggestion is practical rather than condescending and may encourage Killyleagh back at adult level.

Rather than dismiss this completely-remember Dromara coming from the EDRFL to div 4,3,2 and IFC victory.
The proviso being that these clubs can reapply to join div 4 when they feel ready ,as opposed to having to secure promotion.This would undoubtedly improve the standard of EDRFL,with a spin off for a number of local clubs reserve outfits.Unless ballyk and fin are given the opportunity to win matches it would be hard to see them survive.
Is there any word on possible amalgamation of ballyk and dundrum at all levels?DF any thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 09, 2008, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on October 09, 2008, 12:47:12 PM
last year or the year before the games were played on a friday and tuesday night,   i'm sure club footballers in down could manage to play 2 games in a week,  hardly getting slaughtered now!

You have got to think of all clubs bridgegael----players can get back to mayobridge from Dublin or belfast in time for matches,but try getting back to ardglass or kilclief.

An occasional pre-planned extra fixture would be ok but 4 matches in 10 days is too much.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 09, 2008, 03:36:36 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 09, 2008, 02:45:25 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 09, 2008, 11:36:04 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 09, 2008, 07:59:03 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on October 08, 2008, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 07, 2008, 07:09:42 PM
Aughlisnafin, Ballykinlar & Killyleagh should play in East Down league.

Why?  They have as much right to ACFL status as any other club...Don't so condescending ..

That was a perfectly reasonable suggestion. Nothing condescending about it.

Aughlisnafin have won 1 game in the 4-5 years they've been back in football. Killyleagh dropped out this year because they were getting hammered week in and week out. Ballykinlar have a great tradition but they are a long way below the standards set by St John's, Aghaderg etc in Div 4.

Playing in East Down would give these clubs regular football at their own standard. When they improve they can move up. Pretending they are up to Div 4 standard at the minute is ignoring the blindingly obvious.
The suggestion is practical rather than condescending and may encourage Killyleagh back at adult level.

Ballykinlar and Dundrum should merge together - they are the same Parish afterall - what I seen last saturday in Newcastle is a cry for help from Dundrum - 6.18 - 0.07, the worst ever seen.
Will McComiskey want to hang around this type of football much longer?
I know I will get slated for this but it is a reasonable suggestion.

What is the suggestion Spirit that Mc Comiskey wont hang around much longer or we should amalgmate or both??? Cant argue with you about us last Saturday though there are lots of factors contributing that. In short we did perform quite well last year and played fairly well and if we had of brought it up a notch this year I believe would of held our own with quite a few of the teams, though thats all ifs and buts. To say we should amalgmate in theory may seem like a good solution to me its an insult. Maybe down the line you may be proven to be correct but we did win division 3 last year so its not like we have gone to being the whipping boys of Down football.

The suggestion is your future looks bleak given what was on show last week - and i personally dont think McComiskey will hang around too long. If your clubs harbours any ambition amalgamation is the only way forward. Not being able to field one week and getting slaughtered the next is not the way to go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 09, 2008, 03:57:52 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 09, 2008, 03:36:36 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 09, 2008, 02:45:25 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 09, 2008, 11:36:04 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 09, 2008, 07:59:03 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on October 08, 2008, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 07, 2008, 07:09:42 PM
Aughlisnafin, Ballykinlar & Killyleagh should play in East Down league.

Why?  They have as much right to ACFL status as any other club...Don't so condescending ..

That was a perfectly reasonable suggestion. Nothing condescending about it.

Aughlisnafin have won 1 game in the 4-5 years they've been back in football. Killyleagh dropped out this year because they were getting hammered week in and week out. Ballykinlar have a great tradition but they are a long way below the standards set by St John's, Aghaderg etc in Div 4.

Playing in East Down would give these clubs regular football at their own standard. When they improve they can move up. Pretending they are up to Div 4 standard at the minute is ignoring the blindingly obvious.
The suggestion is practical rather than condescending and may encourage Killyleagh back at adult level.

Ballykinlar and Dundrum should merge together - they are the same Parish afterall - what I seen last saturday in Newcastle is a cry for help from Dundrum - 6.18 - 0.07, the worst ever seen.
Will McComiskey want to hang around this type of football much longer?
I know I will get slated for this but it is a reasonable suggestion.

What is the suggestion Spirit that Mc Comiskey wont hang around much longer or we should amalgmate or both??? Cant argue with you about us last Saturday though there are lots of factors contributing that. In short we did perform quite well last year and played fairly well and if we had of brought it up a notch this year I believe would of held our own with quite a few of the teams, though thats all ifs and buts. To say we should amalgmate in theory may seem like a good solution to me its an insult. Maybe down the line you may be proven to be correct but we did win division 3 last year so its not like we have gone to being the whipping boys of Down football.

The suggestion is your future looks bleak given what was on show last week - and i personally dont think McComiskey will hang around too long. If your clubs harbours any ambition amalgamation is the only way forward. Not being able to field one week and getting slaughtered the next is not the way to go.

I would of said our future looked strong based on some of the performances last year by a young team, however, clubs levels of performance vary from year to year. Who in Banbridge, Bryansford or even Down for that matter could of imagined within 4 years Clann Na Banna would go from getting beaten by Glenn in a junior final to beating Bryansford in a league game. You must know Paul personally very well to come out with such a statement?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 09, 2008, 04:21:38 PM
Mickey the legend at 45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gutQSbL9c_o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 09, 2008, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 08, 2008, 10:24:58 AM
They used to start games in March. But season after season March's fixtures got wiped out by the weather - and refixtures are the main reason why seasons drag on. Starting in April with a flurry of fixtures before county commitments kick in makes more sense.


Can you back this statement up with evidence,wobbler?I played when leagues started in March,and pitches were not up to current standards of drainage and have no recollection of widespread cancellation of fixtures due to weather.Besides clubs seem to have no problem playing ulster leagues in february.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 09, 2008, 06:46:05 PM
2nd to 6th sam i was about to post about the ulster leagues, how come its ok for these to go ahead the weather hasnt seem to affect them much. i dont see a problem with starting the leagues earlier!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 09, 2008, 08:05:24 PM
GREAT TO SEE A BIT OF DEBATE ON THIS AGAIN-IT OBVIOUSLY STILL REMAINS AN ISSUE.
AS ALWAYS WOBBLER YOUR OPINIONS ARE DIRECT AND INFORMATIVE.I INCLUDE MY REPLIES IN CAPITALS,I'M SURE THERE'S A BETTER WAY OF REPLYING TO POSTS BUT I HAVEN'T CRACKED IT YET!

Quote from: thewobbler on October 08, 2008, 10:09:51 PM

I wouldn't go along with much of this.GOOD,AT LEAST YOU'RE NOT DISMISSING IT ALL

2. Rigid unchangeable fixture dates and times.
This just isn't a nice suggestion. Club footballers, especially those at the higher end of things, give a huge amount of the best years of their life in service of their club. Most of them will, during that time, pick up a wee lady and get married. If his bride is anything like most brides, she'll want a summer wedding, preferably on a Friday. Having spent so many years training with a group of fellas, it's only natural that they'll be invited to the party. Forcing clubs to fulfil fixtures in these situations is horrible and unnecessary. It goes against the ethos of the organisation.WEDDING PROBLEM EASILY SOLVED -IF CLUBS CAN PROVE THAT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THEIR PLAYERS ARE ATTENDING THE WHOLE WEDDING,THEY SHOULD APPLY TO THE COUNTY BOARD AT LEAST 5 WEEKS IN ADVANCE FOR A REFIXTURE ON A MONDAY NIGHT.MY DEMAND FOR A RIGID FIXTURE LIST IS INTENDED TO HELP MARRIED PLAYERS/MENTORS.I SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE HERE-FIXTURE UNPREDICTABILITY IS NOT FAMILY FRIENDLY,AND  CAN BE IMPROVED UPON.

Secondly, it is almost inconceivable that over the course of a season at least one set of fixtures will not be wiped out to due to bad weather, county commitments or club championship commitments, replays etc, or deaths of important Gaels. AGREED,THE SYSTEM SHOULD ALLOW FOR OCCASIONAL FIXTURE CANCELLATION,BUT APART FROM COUNTY COMMITTMENTS I CAN  RECALL VERY FEW OCCASIONS OVER THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS WHEN A WHOLE SERIES HAS BEEN CANCELLED.

3. No more than 1 game a week.
I believe this is the path Sean Rooney tried to take this season, and as a result, we'll be playing games til December. During late April and May, when the evenings are long enough and the pitches are firm enough, playing one week with 2 games and one week with one game would be perfectly acceptable to most players - and would alleviate so much fixture deadlock.AGREED,AN OCCASIONAL EXTRA FIXTURE ON A MONDAY IS ACCEPTABLE 4 MATCHES IN 10 DAYS,OR MULTIPLE MONDAY FIXTURES IS NOT.

4. games for all clubs most weekends in September.
This will never happen when the Down championship is compressed. It's isn't feasible. Personally I prefer the compressed format, although I can see purpose in arguments against it. Either way you'll have begrudgers.CAN BE DONE:WK1 LEAGUE ,WK 2CHAMP,WK3 LEAGUE ,WK4CHAMP.CLUBS CAN APPLY TO HAVE THEIR LEAGUE FIXTURES FOR AI WEEKEND BROUGHT FORWARD TO A MONDAY IN AUGUST.ALL MATCHES IN SEPT/OCT MAY HAVE BE PLAYED ON SATURDAYS-THIS HAPPENS ANYWAY IN OCTOBER.

5. clubs must accept that leagues must proceed regardless of county committments
Every club I know of accepts the starred system is necessary evil. It's a superb system, don't f**k with it.THERE ARE POSITIVE ASPECTS OF THE STARRED SYSTEM WHICH CAN BE ABSORBED INTO NEW SYSTEM,BUT LET'S NOT PRETEND THE STARRED SYSTEM IS PERFECT.IT STILL PUTS TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON COUNTY PLAYERS AND THE FIXTURES SEC.PLAYOFFS IN NOVEMBER UNACCEPTABLY EATS INTO THE OFF SEASON OF COUNTY PLAYERS -AND WILL LONGER BE ALLOWED.THEREFORE OUR SYSTEM MUST CHANGE.

6. extended championship series,including B championship for 1st round losers.With championship status independent of league status.
Disagree with this entirely and completely. Nobody, anywhere, wants to play in a B Championship  FACTUALLY INCORRECT,MANY CLUBS WOULD PREFER TO BE PLAYING IN  B CHAMPIONSHIP AS OPPOSED TO TWIDDLING THEIR THUMBS WAITING ON THE NEXT AVAILABLE SLOT FOR A LEAGUE FIXTURE. all this would do is block off weekends that could be used for league football. WOULDN'T BLOCK OFF ANY ADDITIONAL WEEKENDS--LEAGUE FOOTBALL ALREADY GOES ON HOLD AS A HANDFUL OF CLUBS PLAY IN THE LATTER STAGES OF THE CHAMPOINSHIP.
The second point  I disagree with more. In Down, you work your way into Senior football, and your team is responsible for keeping that status. It isn't decided by back-patting in a boardroom. It isn't decided by out of touch committee members. WHO MENTIONED A BOARDROOM?
Am I wrong? Well, tell me how many teams from outside Division I have had an SFC run in the past 20 years. One, maybe two?MY POINT EXACTLY! League football is the single strongest indicator of how good your team is and where it belongs.??? DUNDRUM-IFC CONTENDERS WITH MCOMISKEY,MID-DIV 3 WITHOUT HIM.

10. current 4 round div 4 must be changed,it must be demoralising to those teams involved and will be further undermined if other clubs go down the road of annsboro and killyleagh.
I have no problem with Division IV being revamped, but not for the reasons you suggest. FOR WHAT REASONS THEN? Division IV is the bottom of the pile. Pretending it is otherwise is just a pile of liberal nonsense.STEADY! Teams aren't equal in this world, and clubs aren't equal in this world. If teams want to be treated more "equally", they should knuckle down on the training ground and force their way up the divisions. WOULDN'T MATTER HOW MUCH TRAINING YOU WOULD DO DIV 4 IS A NIGHTMARE-IT TOOK A GREAT CLUB LIKE ST JOHNS YEARS TO GET OUT OF IT!


 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 09, 2008, 10:42:00 PM
Couple of random points back at you 6th Sam.

Nobody really cares if Ulster League fixtures get fulfilled or not. The Ulster league saves clubs the bother of sorting out friendlies and referees, but beyond that very few clubs would care if half their matches were postponed.

League series 1 and 2 were knocked out completely in 2001. I believe that is the last year we tried to start in March. Besides, the National League and the u21 Championship run in March and through half of April. Scheduling club games against these would only result in turmoil.

Two whole series this season have been wiped out by the weather. One in July, one in September.

Fixtures just shouldn't be scheduled for All-Ireland final weekend. Between the Kilmacud 7s and players going to Dublin for the weekend, match upon match ends up getting postponed.

In my experience the players enjoy Saturday fixtures, but they are generally watched by small crowds. You can't play early as it conflicts with work commitments, and playing late conflicts with a lot of social lives.


Trust me, If everything was done and dusted by the last week of September, there would be a series of motions at the next convention to extend the season. On a more worrying note, I guarantee that a lot of teams would begin their preparation for the next season by December. The players would want it, because after 2 full months off they'd be craving football.


I don't know which clubs you are talking about, but I've never met a player who willingly trained for a B championship.


This is my big point. If championship placings aren't decided by league form, then some arbitration will be required. Which means that out of touch men in boardrooms will rub each other's backs until they get the system and teams they want, rather than thinking of what is best for Down football.


Dundrum were never serious intermediate challengers, even with McComiskey playing. It is possible to get to a semi-final in any Championship without meeting a contender, but that's when the hard work starts.


St John's might be a great club, but until the past few years their underage teams have done diddly squat at every level. Some of their club members have got together and put this right over the past 5-6 years, and they're now getting their reward at senior level. I'd imagine they'll hold their own comfortably in Division III next year. This is the right way to do things.


The reason why I'd split Division IV up is because the amount of travelling required in that division is inverse to the prestige of playing in that division. It would be much easier for Killyleagh and Annsborough to summon up a squad of players each week if they didn't have to cut off work early and traipse and hour up the road to take a beating.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 09, 2008, 11:43:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 09, 2008, 10:42:00 PM
Couple of random points back at you 6th Sam.



I'm sure neither of us have the time to get into tennis match arguments and counter arguments.
We'll just have to agree to differ on a number of the issues.
No offence intended but your opinions appear ultra-conservative to me.However, unfortunately they are probably representative of those that ultimately make the decisions.

There is a considerable body of opinion out there,however,that unlike yourself,feel that the current club structures in Down are not serving either our clubs or county teams as well as they could be.More importantly the current system does not meet the requirements of the new burnout rules.How do you propose we meet these burnout requirements?Specifically, how would you propose to guarantee to finish the leagues by the end of October,if we get a prolonged AI run?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 10, 2008, 09:26:07 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 09, 2008, 08:05:24 PM
GREAT TO SEE A BIT OF DEBATE ON THIS AGAIN-IT OBVIOUSLY STILL REMAINS AN ISSUE.
AS ALWAYS WOBBLER YOUR OPINIONS ARE DIRECT AND INFORMATIVE.I INCLUDE MY REPLIES IN CAPITALS,I'M SURE THERE'S A BETTER WAY OF REPLYING TO POSTS BUT I HAVEN'T CRACKED IT YET!

Quote from: thewobbler on October 08, 2008, 10:09:51 PM

I wouldn't go along with much of this.GOOD,AT LEAST YOU'RE NOT DISMISSING IT ALL

2. Rigid unchangeable fixture dates and times.
This just isn't a nice suggestion. Club footballers, especially those at the higher end of things, give a huge amount of the best years of their life in service of their club. Most of them will, during that time, pick up a wee lady and get married. If his bride is anything like most brides, she'll want a summer wedding, preferably on a Friday. Having spent so many years training with a group of fellas, it's only natural that they'll be invited to the party. Forcing clubs to fulfil fixtures in these situations is horrible and unnecessary. It goes against the ethos of the organisation.WEDDING PROBLEM EASILY SOLVED -IF CLUBS CAN PROVE THAT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THEIR PLAYERS ARE ATTENDING THE WHOLE WEDDING,THEY SHOULD APPLY TO THE COUNTY BOARD AT LEAST 5 WEEKS IN ADVANCE FOR A REFIXTURE ON A MONDAY NIGHT.MY DEMAND FOR A RIGID FIXTURE LIST IS INTENDED TO HELP MARRIED PLAYERS/MENTORS.I SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE HERE-FIXTURE UNPREDICTABILITY IS NOT FAMILY FRIENDLY,AND  CAN BE IMPROVED UPON.
I would be in favour off this to many times this last number off years the missus/other plans have been messed up because of fixtures getting called off then re-fixed, puts alot of pressure on relationships and young parents.

Secondly, it is almost inconceivable that over the course of a season at least one set of fixtures will not be wiped out to due to bad weather, county commitments or club championship commitments, replays etc, or deaths of important Gaels. AGREED,THE SYSTEM SHOULD ALLOW FOR OCCASIONAL FIXTURE CANCELLATION,BUT APART FROM COUNTY COMMITTMENTS I CAN  RECALL VERY FEW OCCASIONS OVER THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS WHEN A WHOLE SERIES HAS BEEN CANCELLED.

3. No more than 1 game a week.
I believe this is the path Sean Rooney tried to take this season, and as a result, we'll be playing games til December. During late April and May, when the evenings are long enough and the pitches are firm enough, playing one week with 2 games and one week with one game would be perfectly acceptable to most players - and would alleviate so much fixture deadlock.AGREED,AN OCCASIONAL EXTRA FIXTURE ON A MONDAY IS ACCEPTABLE 4 MATCHES IN 10 DAYS,OR MULTIPLE MONDAY FIXTURES IS NOT.Coming into the twlight of my football career injuries even wee niggles are getting harder to heal and taking longer to get over

4. games for all clubs most weekends in September.
This will never happen when the Down championship is compressed. It's isn't feasible. Personally I prefer the compressed format, although I can see purpose in arguments against it. Either way you'll have begrudgers.CAN BE DONE:WK1 LEAGUE ,WK 2CHAMP,WK3 LEAGUE ,WK4CHAMP.CLUBS CAN APPLY TO HAVE THEIR LEAGUE FIXTURES FOR AI WEEKEND BROUGHT FORWARD TO A MONDAY IN AUGUST.ALL MATCHES IN SEPT/OCT MAY HAVE BE PLAYED ON SATURDAYS-THIS HAPPENS ANYWAY IN OCTOBER.I have no gripe with football on saturdays just the timing 5 was perfect

5. clubs must accept that leagues must proceed regardless of county committments
Every club I know of accepts the starred system is necessary evil. It's a superb system, don't f**k with it.THERE ARE POSITIVE ASPECTS OF THE STARRED SYSTEM WHICH CAN BE ABSORBED INTO NEW SYSTEM,BUT LET'S NOT PRETEND THE STARRED SYSTEM IS PERFECT.IT STILL PUTS TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON COUNTY PLAYERS AND THE FIXTURES SEC.PLAYOFFS IN NOVEMBER UNACCEPTABLY EATS INTO THE OFF SEASON OF COUNTY PLAYERS -AND WILL LONGER BE ALLOWED.THEREFORE OUR SYSTEM MUST CHANGE.the starred system was good at the time but playing to christmas is not on, we need to re-charge, also i feel it is unfair to clubs who maybe have a couple of county players on the panel

6. extended championship series,including B championship for 1st round losers.With championship status independent of league status.
Disagree with this entirely and completely. Nobody, anywhere, wants to play in a B Championship  FACTUALLY INCORRECT,MANY CLUBS WOULD PREFER TO BE PLAYING IN  B CHAMPIONSHIP AS OPPOSED TO TWIDDLING THEIR THUMBS WAITING ON THE NEXT AVAILABLE SLOT FOR A LEAGUE FIXTURE. all this would do is block off weekends that could be used for league football. WOULDN'T BLOCK OFF ANY ADDITIONAL WEEKENDS--LEAGUE FOOTBALL ALREADY GOES ON HOLD AS A HANDFUL OF CLUBS PLAY IN THE LATTER STAGES OF THE CHAMPOINSHIP.
A "B" championship it may be but bringing silverware into any club brings supporters/young players/enthusisium back and promotes the club back into the area
The second point  I disagree with more. In Down, you work your way into Senior football, and your team is responsible for keeping that status. It isn't decided by back-patting in a boardroom. It isn't decided by out of touch committee members. WHO MENTIONED A BOARDROOM?By making the league and championship status different it means that both competitions will be played to an ending with meaning, not just teams getting safe then going through the motions fulfilling fixtures as senior football guarenteed for another season etc.
Am I wrong? Well, tell me how many teams from outside Division I have had an SFC run in the past 20 years. One, maybe two?MY POINT EXACTLY! League football is the single strongest indicator of how good your team is and where it belongs.??? DUNDRUM-IFC CONTENDERS WITH MCOMISKEY,MID-DIV 3 WITHOUT HIM.

10. current 4 round div 4 must be changed,it must be demoralising to those teams involved and will be further undermined if other clubs go down the road of annsboro and killyleagh.
I have no problem with Division IV being revamped, but not for the reasons you suggest. FOR WHAT REASONS THEN? Division IV is the bottom of the pile. Pretending it is otherwise is just a pile of liberal nonsense.STEADY! Teams aren't equal in this world, and clubs aren't equal in this world. If teams want to be treated more "equally", they should knuckle down on the training ground and force their way up the divisions. WOULDN'T MATTER HOW MUCH TRAINING YOU WOULD DO DIV 4 IS A NIGHTMARE-IT TOOK A GREAT CLUB LIKE ST JOHNS YEARS TO GET OUT OF IT!
Having got out off Div 4 i know what it takes, and what you need to get out off it, and what a relief it is to the club and all around when you do, it it is prob the easiest league to fall into but the hardest to get out off as the work and motivation needed can be draining at times


 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 10, 2008, 09:54:14 AM
Predictions and views on Sundays IFC and Minor finals??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 10, 2008, 10:54:56 AM
Interesting to see the widely differing views of wobbler compared to myself and OTL.
Could this be that wobbler is from the GAA heartland of South Down, possibly unmarried,and enjoys a social life.
OTL and myself are from East Down ,where the GAA presence isn't as strong ,married with kids and therefore have less interest in GAA's impact on the social calender.

The fact of the matter is that despite our differing opinions ,we must all accept that the system has to change to accomodate the new burnout rules.We must also accept that a large swathe of the county which has traditionally produced county players, all urban areas, and also the success of our county senior team, appears to have suffered a decline under the current system.There is massive disquiet in those areas about the club structures and has been for years. This requires imaginative solutions.Rather than indulge in endless debate on the pros and cons of the current and any new system.Can anybody propose solutions for improving our club structures.
Title: League Structures
Post by: No1 on October 10, 2008, 11:13:54 AM
So to sum it up, you two S*ul boys are under the thumb and can't get out of the house to play football whenever you like?

;D  ;)
Title: Re: League Structures
Post by: 6th sam on October 10, 2008, 11:37:18 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 10, 2008, 11:13:54 AM
So to sum it up, you two S*ul boys are under the thumb and can't get out of the house to play football whenever you like?

;D  ;)

You've got it!

Seriously though No.1,apart from your previous desperate suggestion to cancel relegation this year,Any thoughts from the Shore,on solutions to fixtures.Particularly with relevance to Hurling committments etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 10, 2008, 12:14:54 PM
  To be perfectly honest I'd mostly agree with thewobbler, with the exception that I'd start the leagues a month earlier.  No play offs, 2 up and 2 down in 4 divisions of equal team numbers and that's it, problem solved.  

 Some teams may have nothing left to play for in the middle of the season but that is just the nature of a league, it is up to each club to improve and push for success every year.

QuoteWEDDING PROBLEM EASILY SOLVED -IF CLUBS CAN PROVE THAT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THEIR PLAYERS ARE ATTENDING THE WHOLE WEDDING,THEY SHOULD APPLY TO THE COUNTY BOARD AT LEAST 5 WEEKS IN ADVANCE FOR A REFIXTURE ON A MONDAY NIGHT.MY DEMAND FOR A RIGID FIXTURE LIST IS INTENDED TO HELP MARRIED PLAYERS/MENTORS.I SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE HERE-FIXTURE UNPREDICTABILITY IS NOT FAMILY FRIENDLY,AND  CAN BE IMPROVED UPON.
I would be in favour off this to many times this last number off years the missus/other plans have been messed up because of fixtures getting called off then re-fixed, puts alot of pressure on relationships and young parents.

 Don't think this is a runner, too many clubs would take the piss and try and use it to thier advantage.  How do you prove a wedding?  Copy all the lads invitations and send them to the county board?  :)  Some games simply have to be re-fixed and thats that.  Playing it on the following Monday night seems the only sensible option.

QuoteCAN BE DONE:WK1 LEAGUE ,WK 2CHAMP,WK3 LEAGUE ,WK4CHAMP.CLUBS CAN APPLY TO HAVE THEIR LEAGUE FIXTURES FOR AI WEEKEND BROUGHT FORWARD TO A MONDAY IN AUGUST.ALL MATCHES IN SEPT/OCT MAY HAVE BE PLAYED ON SATURDAYS-THIS HAPPENS ANYWAY IN OCTOBER.I have no gripe with football on saturdays just the timing 5 was perfect

 Most of that is fair enough, although I wouldn't have any Saturday games (just to keep soccer head guevara happy)!  No reason why the games can't be played on a Sunday.

QuoteEvery club I know of accepts the starred system is necessary evil. It's a superb system, don't f**k with it.THERE ARE POSITIVE ASPECTS OF THE STARRED SYSTEM WHICH CAN BE ABSORBED INTO NEW SYSTEM,BUT LET'S NOT PRETEND THE STARRED SYSTEM IS PERFECT.IT STILL PUTS TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON COUNTY PLAYERS AND THE FIXTURES SEC.PLAYOFFS IN NOVEMBER UNACCEPTABLY EATS INTO THE OFF SEASON OF COUNTY PLAYERS -AND WILL LONGER BE ALLOWED.THEREFORE OUR SYSTEM MUST CHANGE.the starred system was good at the time but playing to christmas is not on, we need to re-charge, also i feel it is unfair to clubs who maybe have a couple of county players on the panel

 Starred system is the envy of many counties and should not be changed, regular club football is one thing our county board can boast about.  On a selfish note, it is also to the advantage of clubs like ours rather that clubs with 2 or 3 county players.

 A B championship is a definite no-no.  More games in a meaningless competition?  No way.  We already have SFC, IFC, JFC, PRFC and RFC, thats plenty.

 Division 4 should have as many teams as the other 3 divisions.  There should be no 'easy out'.  If that is the level a club finds itself at then they've gotta put the work in to get out.  We should know, we were there for long enough!  Mayobridge didn't need any re-structuring to get out and look what they have gone onto.  I know that is a best case scenario but they have proved that anything is possible.

 As for the hurling, I don't wanna start as I would be here for another 3 pages!



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 10, 2008, 12:18:26 PM
6th Sam, I truly wish I was allowed more of a social life.

Seriously though, I'm not a player these days except in the most direst of emergencies (and some would say that this was always the case).

But I train with the senior panel, and act as a rep for them when they need things done either with our committee or with the county board. Players approach me throughout the season about when our fixtures are, about what fixtures they would want moved, and about when they should book holidays.

Other clubs go through me a lot of the time when they want to reschedule. I can normally weigh up the pros and cons of switching a fixture straightaway, either at our request or at another club's request. There are certain clubs in Down who I will never do another favour for, but that's another matter.

So I'm in a pretty good position to know what the average player wants out of a season, if only based on the players of one club.

Secondly, I spent a year on the County Board - so I know all too well what they have to put up with. I've a better understanding than most of just how much effort it takes to run the excellent league programme we currently have, and I've a better understanding than most that change just won't happen for the sake of it - which is what a lot of these proposals effectively amount to. When you truly weigh up most of the demands that clubs have, most of them are purely selfish needs and don't think of the bigger picture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 10, 2008, 01:00:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 10, 2008, 12:18:26 PM
6th Sam, I truly wish I was allowed more of a social life.

Seriously though, I'm not a player these days except in the most direst of emergencies (and some would say that this was always the case).

But I train with the senior panel, and act as a rep for them when they need things done either with our committee or with the county board. Players approach me throughout the season about when our fixtures are, about what fixtures they would want moved, and about when they should book holidays.

Other clubs go through me a lot of the time when they want to reschedule. I can normally weigh up the pros and cons of switching a fixture straightaway, either at our request or at another club's request. There are certain clubs in Down who I will never do another favour for, but that's another matter.

So I'm in a pretty good position to know what the average player wants out of a season, if only based on the players of one club.

Secondly, I spent a year on the County Board - so I know all too well what they have to put up with. I've a better understanding than most of just how much effort it takes to run the excellent league programme we currently have, and I've a better understanding than most that change just won't happen for the sake of it - which is what a lot of these proposals effectively amount to. When you truly weigh up most of the demands that clubs have, most of them are purely selfish needs and don't think of the bigger picture.


I know your background Wobbler and No.1, and therefore would have alot of respect for your opinions. I'm sure you'll accept from previous posts that I don't have selfish concerns either,and my motivation is to improve the bigger picture.The core question is:HOW DO WE ENSURE CLUB FOOTBALL IS GUARANTEED TO FINISH BY THE END OF OCTOBER REGARDLESS OF THE COUNTY'S PROGRESS IN AI SERIES.In order to do this, some of the following will have to happen:no playoffs,once off playoff day,earlier season start,reduced numbers in each league,play each team only once,more saturday football or perhaps earlier matches on a sunday,more monday football(2 games per week),league goes ahead regardless of county committments(effectively an extension of the starred system).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on October 10, 2008, 01:24:18 PM
On a completely different note, can any of our rule experts answer a wee question for me:
Are u-16 players (players who are not eligible to play u-16 football next season) allowed to play for reserves or seniors now that the u-16 season has ended?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 10, 2008, 01:33:44 PM
Fior Gael, the simple answer is no.

Those fellas are still under-16s and are eligible to compete in under-16 competitions until December 31st.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 10, 2008, 02:00:48 PM
i presume that they are not allowed to play u21 football for their club either then if they are still u16 until dec 31st? didnt this happen with ballyholland and another club last year in the u21 championship ending in an appeal?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 10, 2008, 02:43:12 PM
It is now Under 20 and the rules state no Under 16 can play albeit very badly stated. ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 10, 2008, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 10, 2008, 12:18:26 PM
6th Sam, I truly wish I was allowed more of a social life.

Seriously though, I'm not a player these days except in the most direst of emergencies (and some would say that this was always the case).

But I train with the senior panel, and act as a rep for them when they need things done either with our committee or with the county board. Players approach me throughout the season about when our fixtures are, about what fixtures they would want moved, and about when they should book holidays.

Other clubs go through me a lot of the time when they want to reschedule. I can normally weigh up the pros and cons of switching a fixture straightaway, either at our request or at another club's request. There are certain clubs in Down who I will never do another favour for, but that's another matter.

So I'm in a pretty good position to know what the average player wants out of a season, if only based on the players of one club.
Secondly, I spent a year on the County Board - so I know all too well what they have to put up with. I've a better understanding than most of just how much effort it takes to run the excellent league programme we currently have, and I've a better understanding than most that change just won't happen for the sake of it - which is what a lot of these proposals effectively amount to. When you truly weigh up most of the demands that clubs have, most of them are purely selfish needs and don't think of the bigger picture.


Why not just tell us you are the Club Fixture Secretary.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 10, 2008, 03:30:10 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 10, 2008, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 10, 2008, 12:18:26 PM
6th Sam, I truly wish I was allowed more of a social life.

Seriously though, I'm not a player these days except in the most direst of emergencies (and some would say that this was always the case).

But I train with the senior panel, and act as a rep for them when they need things done either with our committee or with the county board. Players approach me throughout the season about when our fixtures are, about what fixtures they would want moved, and about when they should book holidays.

Other clubs go through me a lot of the time when they want to reschedule. I can normally weigh up the pros and cons of switching a fixture straightaway, either at our request or at another club's request. There are certain clubs in Down who I will never do another favour for, but that's another matter.

So I'm in a pretty good position to know what the average player wants out of a season, if only based on the players of one club.
Secondly, I spent a year on the County Board - so I know all too well what they have to put up with. I've a better understanding than most of just how much effort it takes to run the excellent league programme we currently have, and I've a better understanding than most that change just won't happen for the sake of it - which is what a lot of these proposals effectively amount to. When you truly weigh up most of the demands that clubs have, most of them are purely selfish needs and don't think of the bigger picture.


Why not just tell us you are the Club Fixture Secretary.


I wish to fcuk he was ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 10, 2008, 03:40:58 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 10, 2008, 12:14:54 PM

 As for the hurling, I don't wanna start as I would be here for another 3 pages!



Vent your spleen.

I'd like to hear the perspective of a non-ards person on the woes of Down hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 10, 2008, 05:17:27 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 10, 2008, 02:44:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 10, 2008, 12:18:26 PM
6th Sam, I truly wish I was allowed more of a social life.

Seriously though, I'm not a player these days except in the most direst of emergencies (and some would say that this was always the case).

But I train with the senior panel, and act as a rep for them when they need things done either with our committee or with the county board. Players approach me throughout the season about when our fixtures are, about what fixtures they would want moved, and about when they should book holidays.

Other clubs go through me a lot of the time when they want to reschedule. I can normally weigh up the pros and cons of switching a fixture straightaway, either at our request or at another club's request. There are certain clubs in Down who I will never do another favour for, but that's another matter.

So I'm in a pretty good position to know what the average player wants out of a season, if only based on the players of one club.
Secondly, I spent a year on the County Board - so I know all too well what they have to put up with. I've a better understanding than most of just how much effort it takes to run the excellent league programme we currently have, and I've a better understanding than most that change just won't happen for the sake of it - which is what a lot of these proposals effectively amount to. When you truly weigh up most of the demands that clubs have, most of them are purely selfish needs and don't think of the bigger picture.


Why not just tell us you are the Club Fixture Secretary.

I'd be interested to hear about the Clubs that p..sed you off.We could could compare notes. Bryansford must be the biggest t**sers from all that I've heard over the years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 10, 2008, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 10, 2008, 02:43:12 PM
It is now Under 20 and the rules state no Under 16 can play albeit very badly stated. ;D

I dont think you are supposed to be able to play more than one age above you, therefore u16s can play minor and not above
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 10, 2008, 09:34:16 PM
Im definitely in favour of an amendment to our League structures.

If we were to increase the number of divisions, Id go for 5, with 8 teams in Division 1-4 and 11 teams in Division 5 with each team playing each other twice.

The reason for this suggested structure is that over the past few years a few trends have emerged in our Leagues. Generally Division 1 sees 8-9 teams able to compete competently with each other. Usually the bottom 3 or 4 teams are slightly off the pace and usually the two promoted Division 2 teams can be found in this pile.

So, going on League placings at this time this would be my Division 1: Mayobridge, Rostrevor, Kilcoo, Castlwellan, Burren, Clonduff, Loughinisland and Longstone.

My Division 2 would see the bottom 4 Division 1 side's pair up with the top 4 Division 2 sides. The vast majority of these eight teams are yo-yo's, generally going up one year and down the next. Saval, Shamrocks. Warrenpoint and Ballyholland have being doing this now for the best part of 6 or 7 years. I would view this grouping as very even and it would surely be ultra competitive.

Division 2 would line up like this: Saval, An Riocht, Liatroim, Ballyholland, Bryansford, Annaclone, Banbridge and Warrenpoint.

Division 3 would see the eight remaining old Division 2 sides group together. There may be a slight imperfection here as the top end of this grouping may just be too strong for the bottom end but it will be a far more balanced prospect than it was before.
This would be the new Division 3: Shamrocks, Ballymartin, Darragh Cross, Atticall, Downpatrick, Tullylish, Kilclief and Dundrum.

Division 3 at present is very open. Shocks happen week in week out and generally it is very competitive. However, there is nearly always a group of teams near the bottom who on a consistent basis are out of their depth and are never really going to challenge seriously for promotion. I would have the first 8 teams from the old Division 3 in a new Division 4.

Division 4 would look something like this: Glasdrumman, Ardglass, Bredagh, Carryduff, Drumaness, Drumgath, St Pauls and Glenn.

I would propose a new look 11 team Division 5. At the moment Division 4 is a shambles and has been for quite some years now. The introduction of the 5 remaining Division 3 teams would raise standards considerably.

It has been shown on numerous occasions in the past that a team can come from the lowest echelon and move up several divisions. Banbridge are a case in hand. Also, the notion of throwing the Kinlar and Finn into the EDRFL is absurd. These two teams are Senior teams and should be allowed to compete in a Senior club League structure.

Division 5 would be made up of the following: Saul, St Michaels, Teconnaught, Bosco, Mitchels, St Johns, Aghaderg, Dromara, Bright, Ballykinlar, Aughlisnafin.

In regards to promotion/relegation, in Divisions 1 to 4 Id have the top placed team going up automatically and the bottom placed team going down automatically with the top placed team in Division 5 going up automatically.

With the starred system in place, I would propose a new idea for the playoffs for all 5 Divisions. It sounds complicated but its not or maybe it is, I don't know.

Take this hypothetical end of season situation under the new League structure:

Division 1 Bottom

6th  Clonduff
7th   Loughinisland
------------------------
8th Longstone

Division 2 Top

1st Saval
-------------
2nd An Riocht
3rd Liatroim

Obviously, Longstone would be relegated automatically while Saval would be promoted automatically.

My idea for the playoffs would see Clonduff, Loughinisland, An Riocht and Liatroim playoff over three weekends, playing each other once.

At the end of the playoffs the top two teams would be the beneficiaries. Ie – If Clonduff and Loughinisland filled the top two positions then they would stay in Division 1. In another scenario, if Clonduff and An Riocht were in the top 2 in the group then Clonduff would maintain their Div.1 status while An Riocht would be promoted to Div.1 with Loughinisland being relegated to Div.2. Again if An Riocht and Liatroim were the top 2 in the group then they would both be promoted to Div.1 with Clonduff and Loughinisland both relegated to Div.2. You get the picture I hope.

It would probably be better to play as many League games as possible in April and May and try to have the Leagues sown up by late October/early November if possible.

In regards to the Championship, Division 1 and 2 teams would be in the SFC while Division 3 and 4 would compete in the IFC. All Division 5 teams would be in the JFC. Obviously if a team wins a Championship then they would be re-graded to a higher grade of Championship regardless of their League position for the following year.

With teams in Divisions 1 to 4 guaranteed a minimum of 14 and a maximum of 17 League games, then a revision of our Championship structures may be called for. Division 5 teams would have a minimum of 20 and a maximum of 23 League games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 10, 2008, 10:05:24 PM
Down Fanatic you definately have too much time on your hands
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OnTheLine on October 10, 2008, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 10, 2008, 09:34:16 PM
...

Division 3 would see the eight remaining old Division 2 sides group together. There may be a slight imperfection here as the top end of this grouping may just be too strong for the bottom end but it will be a far more balanced prospect than it was before.
This would be the new Division 3: Shamrocks, Ballymartin, Darragh Cross, Atticall, Downpatrick, Tullylish, Kilclief and Dundrum.

...

No self-interest there of course...  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 10, 2008, 10:30:38 PM
Quote from: OnTheLine on October 10, 2008, 10:12:45 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 10, 2008, 09:34:16 PM
...

Division 3 would see the eight remaining old Division 2 sides group together. There may be a slight imperfection here as the top end of this grouping may just be too strong for the bottom end but it will be a far more balanced prospect than it was before.
This would be the new Division 3: Shamrocks, Ballymartin, Darragh Cross, Atticall, Downpatrick, Tullylish, Kilclief and Dundrum.

...

No self-interest there of course...  ;)

Well, going on League placings as they are at the moment, Dundrum would fall into the the new Division 3 category that I have proposed.


Quote from: maldini on October 10, 2008, 10:05:24 PM
Down Fanatic you definately have too much time on your hands


Far too much time Maldini. A return to the student life means I dont go out at the weekend anymore. GAA Board is my only entertainment on a Friday night ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on October 10, 2008, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 10, 2008, 03:40:58 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 10, 2008, 12:14:54 PM

 As for the hurling, I don't wanna start as I would be here for another 3 pages!



Vent your spleen.

I'd like to hear the perspective of a non-ards person on the woes of Down hurling.

If only the hurling fraternity in the county could complain about the number of games still left to be played.  Even though hurlng in the crap weather isnt ideal, it better than nothing at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on October 10, 2008, 10:49:05 PM
i can see the merits in your proposals DF,but it would never get passed as too many clubs would be voting to put themselves down a division for it to come into effect.for example,could you see anyone fom saul being hyappy about playing div 5 football,when they were in div 2 only a few years ago?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 11, 2008, 12:45:05 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 10, 2008, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 10, 2008, 02:43:12 PM
It is now Under 20 and the rules state no Under 16 can play albeit very badly stated. ;D

I dont think you are supposed to be able to play more than one age above you, therefore u16s can play minor and not above

yea realise its u20 now, what actually happend with the u16 that played an was appealed against last year? was the club thrown out of the championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 11, 2008, 11:41:07 AM
Just heard that St John's have refused to field against the Finn in todays match fixed for 1pm.
Is there another wedding in the parish??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 11, 2008, 02:57:11 PM
ACFL1   mayobridge  2.15
            clonduff      0.04
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 11, 2008, 03:12:27 PM
Bredagh beat Newry Mitchels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 11, 2008, 04:23:22 PM
Carryduff won.  Glasdrumman won easily against St Pauls.  How did the Saul Bosco match finish?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 11, 2008, 04:32:35 PM
Saul won by 6 as far as i know,how did ford and Downpatrick go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dromara Gael on October 11, 2008, 04:53:26 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on October 11, 2008, 11:41:07 AM
Just heard that St John's have refused to field against the Finn in todays match fixed for 1pm.
Is there another wedding in the parish??

No surprise there. All 30 on the panel must be at the wedding ??????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 11, 2008, 05:29:30 PM
Glenn and drumgath drew 1-10 apiece i think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on October 11, 2008, 10:08:15 PM
Any word from Ardglass v Drumaness?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 12, 2008, 01:33:20 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on October 11, 2008, 10:08:15 PM
Any word from Ardglass v Drumaness?
are you sure this was supposed to be today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 12, 2008, 12:07:45 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on October 11, 2008, 11:41:07 AM
Just heard that St John's have refused to field against the Finn in todays match fixed for 1pm.
Is there another wedding in the parish??

What was the reason for refusing to field?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on October 12, 2008, 12:54:17 PM
lads,  question: 6 starting forwards in 1991 All- Ireland final for Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 12, 2008, 01:00:19 PM
Do your own reasearch ya lazy hoor!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 12, 2008, 01:13:01 PM
Quote from: corn02 on October 12, 2008, 12:54:17 PM
lads,  question: 6 starting forwards in 1991 All- Ireland final for Down?
ross carr, greg blaney, gary mason, mickey linden, peter withnell, james mc carten
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on October 12, 2008, 01:23:43 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 12, 2008, 01:00:19 PM
Do your own reasearch ya lazy hoor!

;) Actually isn't even for work. Reading a bookl about GAA greats and was thinking that the Down forward line was unreal - wasn't sure if Mason started or not.


Cheers Dunrum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 12, 2008, 02:42:47 PM
anyone have any idea how the minor games goin??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 12, 2008, 02:45:51 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 12, 2008, 12:07:45 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on October 11, 2008, 11:41:07 AM
Just heard that St John's have refused to field against the Finn in todays match fixed for 1pm.
Is there another wedding in the parish??

What was the reason for refusing to field?

From what i can gather they are trying to claim the points, saying they turned up for the game earlier in the season. They did but Finn pitch had been declared unplayable by the council. Total disregard for the Finn who have every right to be treated with same respect as any other club in the county. Also amazed that St Johns are not taking the opportunity to get competitive football ahead of forthcoming Ulster championship. Surely this would have been a chance to look at some fringe players!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on October 12, 2008, 04:38:56 PM
Just heard 1-8 to 0-8 to Annaclone at HT in the IFC Final

How did the minor game finish?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 12, 2008, 05:36:44 PM
Who won the senior game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on October 12, 2008, 05:58:01 PM
Final score, Annaclone 1-13, Darragh Cross 0-13.
Mayobridge won the minors by 4 goals i think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on October 12, 2008, 09:09:34 PM
whats the story in division one now. what are the top 4 and who are relegated ?

has anyone got a full table? I think this end to the season has been the worst in a long long while
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 12, 2008, 09:55:11 PM
ACFL Div 1
Burren 1 14 Castlewellan 1 04
Mayobridge 2 14 Clonduff 0 04
Longstone 1 13 An Riocht 0 11
Saval  Loughinisland
ACFL Div 2
Downpatrick 0 06 Bryansford 1 12
Ballymartin 0 10 Warrenpoint 0 11
ACFL Div 3
St John Bosco 2 07 Saul 4 07
Carryduff 1 12 Teconnaught 1 08
Glasdrumman 3 13 St Pauls 0 04
Glenn 1 10 Drumgath 1 10
Bredagh 2 18 Mitchels 1 05
ACFL Div 4
Aghaderg 1 11 Ballykinlar 1 06
Powerade Minor Football Championship Final
Ath Bhriain 0 13 Droichead Mhaigh Eo 4 12
Around A Pound Intremediate Championship Final
Eanach Cluana 1 13  Crois Darach 0 13   

Fixtures
Saturday 18th 4 30
ACFL Div 1
Clonduff v Kilcoo
Liatroim v Loughinisland
Castlewellan v An Riocht
Longstone v Rostrevor
ACFL Div 2
Daragh Cross v Warrenpoint
Attical v Clann na Banna
Ballymartin v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Bryansford
Dundrum v Annaclone
Downpatrick v Tullylish
ACFL Div 3
Drumaness v Drumgath
St Pauls v Mitchels
Teconnaught v St Micheals
Saul v Bredagh
St John Bosco v Glenn
Carryduff v Ardglass
Sunday 19th 12 30
ACPRL Div 1
An Riocht v Kilcoo
Castlewellan v Liatroim
Burren v Bryansford
ACPRL Div 2
Bredagh v Tullylish
Longstone v Ballymartin
Annaclone v Saval
Carryduff v Kilclief
Warrenpoint v Loughinisland


     

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 12, 2008, 11:19:43 PM
Saval 1.11 Loughinisland 1.10
Liatriom v Kilcoo ?

Latest Div one table

P   W   D     L   Pts     SD   Teams
19   17   0     2   34   116   Mayobridge
21   12   2     7   26     25   Rostrevor
18   12   1     5   25     76   Kilcoo
21   11   1     9   23     12   Burren
20   10   2     8   22     35   Castlewellan
19   10   1     8   21   -25   Clonduff
20   10   0   10   20   -13   Longstone
18     7   4     7   18   -14   Loughinisland
20     7   3   10   17   -26   Saval
21     5   1   15   11   -73   An Riocht
17     4   2   11   10   -57   Liatroim
20     2   3   15     7   -56   Ballyholland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 12, 2008, 11:24:21 PM
Remaining Div one games   
Series 17
   Liatroim v Castlewellan
   Series 18
   Loughinisland v Mayobridge
   Clonduff v Liatroim
   Kilcoo v Saval
   Series 19
   Liatroim v Kilcoo
   Series 20
   Liatroim v Mayobridge
   Kilcoo v Loughinisland
   Series 21
   Loughinisland v Clonduff
   Ballyholland v Longstone
   Series 22
   Clonduff v Kilcoo
   Mayobridge v Saval
   Liatroim v Loughinisland
   Castlewellan v An Riocht
   Burren v Ballyholland
   Longstone v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 12, 2008, 11:38:01 PM
SFC  Mayobridge
IFC  Annaclone
JFC  St John's
PRFC Mayobridge
RFC Castlewellan
MFC Mayobridge

Final round of prediction league

6   D45
5   Amallon
5   Dulaney
5   off the laces
4   Aristotle Flynn
4   downfanatic
4   Umpire
3   Minus15
3   Niall Quinn
3   spiritof91and94
3   Square Ball
3   Statto-gael
1   dundrumite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 12, 2008, 11:44:06 PM
Overall Prediction league

Congratulation to Downfanatic

31   downfanatic
30   Niall Quinn
30   off the laces
29   D45
28   Amallon
28   Umpire
24   dundrumite
23   Minus15
22   General
22   Square Ball
20   Bridgegael
20   Islandboy
18   thewobbler
17   Brick Tamlin
13   Centre 3/4
12   Aristotle Flynn
12   NO 1
11   BRIDGE LAD
11   Statto-gael
10   Maiden 1
8   Dulaney
8   Passedit
7   Blue Island
5   Stiff Breeze
4   eyeswideopen
4   SQUAREBALL
3   Behind the wire
3   spiritof91and94
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 13, 2008, 01:19:42 AM
anyone at the charity refs match at the weekend? im sure it was a pleasant spectacle!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 13, 2008, 08:13:40 AM
Another great weekend for the Sky Blues, well done to the minors on completing the treble.  We did the same treble back in 1999.   I can't believe the Bridge are +116 in the league table, that is savage scoring. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 13, 2008, 10:16:55 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 10, 2008, 09:34:16 PM
Im definitely in favour of an amendment to our League structures.

If we were to increase the number of divisions, Id go for 5, with 8 teams in Division 1-4 and 11 teams in Division 5 with each team playing each other twice.

The reason for this suggested structure is that over the past few years a few trends have emerged in our Leagues. Generally Division 1 sees 8-9 teams able to compete competently with each other. Usually the bottom 3 or 4 teams are slightly off the pace and usually the two promoted Division 2 teams can be found in this pile.

So, going on League placings at this time this would be my Division 1: Mayobridge, Rostrevor, Kilcoo, Castlwellan, Burren, Clonduff, Loughinisland and Longstone.

My Division 2 would see the bottom 4 Division 1 side's pair up with the top 4 Division 2 sides. The vast majority of these eight teams are yo-yo's, generally going up one year and down the next. Saval, Shamrocks. Warrenpoint and Ballyholland have being doing this now for the best part of 6 or 7 years. I would view this grouping as very even and it would surely be ultra competitive.

Division 2 would line up like this: Saval, An Riocht, Liatroim, Ballyholland, Bryansford, Annaclone, Banbridge and Warrenpoint.

Division 3 would see the eight remaining old Division 2 sides group together. There may be a slight imperfection here as the top end of this grouping may just be too strong for the bottom end but it will be a far more balanced prospect than it was before.
This would be the new Division 3: Shamrocks, Ballymartin, Darragh Cross, Atticall, Downpatrick, Tullylish, Kilclief and Dundrum.

Division 3 at present is very open. Shocks happen week in week out and generally it is very competitive. However, there is nearly always a group of teams near the bottom who on a consistent basis are out of their depth and are never really going to challenge seriously for promotion. I would have the first 8 teams from the old Division 3 in a new Division 4.

Division 4 would look something like this: Glasdrumman, Ardglass, Bredagh, Carryduff, Drumaness, Drumgath, St Pauls and Glenn.

I would propose a new look 11 team Division 5. At the moment Division 4 is a shambles and has been for quite some years now. The introduction of the 5 remaining Division 3 teams would raise standards considerably.

It has been shown on numerous occasions in the past that a team can come from the lowest echelon and move up several divisions. Banbridge are a case in hand. Also, the notion of throwing the Kinlar and Finn into the EDRFL is absurd. These two teams are Senior teams and should be allowed to compete in a Senior club League structure.

Division 5 would be made up of the following: Saul, St Michaels, Teconnaught, Bosco, Mitchels, St Johns, Aghaderg, Dromara, Bright, Ballykinlar, Aughlisnafin.

In regards to promotion/relegation, in Divisions 1 to 4 Id have the top placed team going up automatically and the bottom placed team going down automatically with the top placed team in Division 5 going up automatically.

With the starred system in place, I would propose a new idea for the playoffs for all 5 Divisions. It sounds complicated but its not or maybe it is, I don't know.

Take this hypothetical end of season situation under the new League structure:

Division 1 Bottom

6th  Clonduff
7th   Loughinisland
------------------------
8th Longstone

Division 2 Top

1st Saval
-------------
2nd An Riocht
3rd Liatroim

Obviously, Longstone would be relegated automatically while Saval would be promoted automatically.

My idea for the playoffs would see Clonduff, Loughinisland, An Riocht and Liatroim playoff over three weekends, playing each other once.

At the end of the playoffs the top two teams would be the beneficiaries. Ie – If Clonduff and Loughinisland filled the top two positions then they would stay in Division 1. In another scenario, if Clonduff and An Riocht were in the top 2 in the group then Clonduff would maintain their Div.1 status while An Riocht would be promoted to Div.1 with Loughinisland being relegated to Div.2. Again if An Riocht and Liatroim were the top 2 in the group then they would both be promoted to Div.1 with Clonduff and Loughinisland both relegated to Div.2. You get the picture I hope.

It would probably be better to play as many League games as possible in April and May and try to have the Leagues sown up by late October/early November if possible.

In regards to the Championship, Division 1 and 2 teams would be in the SFC while Division 3 and 4 would compete in the IFC. All Division 5 teams would be in the JFC. Obviously if a team wins a Championship then they would be re-graded to a higher grade of Championship regardless of their League position for the following year.

With teams in Divisions 1 to 4 guaranteed a minimum of 14 and a maximum of 17 League games, then a revision of our Championship structures may be called for. Division 5 teams would have a minimum of 20 and a maximum of 23 League games.
you may want to look at the present table DF it shows we are above glenn!!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 13, 2008, 12:30:39 PM
Was at the games yesterday in Newry, thought the minor game was good quality from both teams although the goals won it for a very good mayobridge minor team, Ford had a lot of good players and took some great points in second half but the bridge always were that wee bit better in each department. As for the second game the clone never looked like losing to me, Darragh Cross put up a good show and are a big strong side but annaclone were a wee bit cuter and deserved there win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on October 13, 2008, 01:26:11 PM
Congrats to Mayobridge & Annaclone on their respective wins yesterday. 
The Bridge were worthy winners, if the Ford hadve been able to get the goal they treatened to so many times they mightve made it a closer game.
As for the Senior game I thought Darragh Cross kicked themselves out of it. In the second half in particular they seemed to kick bad wide after wide.
But fair play to Annaclone. Id agree they seemed to have the better footballers & some of their scores were fit for any stage.
Must say I found it weird watching the game from the Newry side of the pitch new stand looks great with a big crowd in it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 13, 2008, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: off the laces on October 13, 2008, 10:16:55 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 10, 2008, 09:34:16 PM
Im definitely in favour of an amendment to our League structures.

Division 5 would be made up of the following: Saul, St Michaels, Teconnaught, Bosco, Mitchels, St Johns, Aghaderg, Dromara, Bright, Ballykinlar, Aughlisnafin.


you may want to look at the present table DF it shows we are above glenn!!!!!! ;)

Undoubtedly DF is conjuring up an amended format as we speak........a 24 team Div 1 to include Dundrum,with Saul relegated to a new Div 5 along with Ballykinlar,Aughlisnafin,Killyleagh...and yes you've guessed it,Loughinisland!  ;) :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 13, 2008, 02:09:21 PM
Well done the the Bridge lads yesterday, they were the better team and always looked to have the greater scoring threat! They should give Ulster a good rattle! The Ford hit some nice scores  and it was a clean enjoyable game to watch! Hopefully the senoirs can have the same performance in Newry next week ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on October 13, 2008, 02:20:35 PM
after the weekends round of fixtures does anyone have an updated league table for div 3?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T Fearon on October 13, 2008, 02:29:50 PM
Many congrats to my nephew, Conor Mc Conville, on picking up a Down intermediate medal with Annaclone yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 13, 2008, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: general on October 13, 2008, 02:20:35 PM
after the weekends round of fixtures does anyone have an updated league table for div 3?
Team                   Played Won Drew Lost Points
 An Ghlasdromainn         24  18  2       4       38  
 Ard Ghlais                    22  16  1       5       33  
 Breadach                     22  15  2       5       32  
 Ceathr� Aodha Dhuibh  22  15  1       6       31  
 Droim an Easa               23  10  4      9        24  
 Droim Gath                   23  10  4      9        24  
 Sabhall Padraig              22   9   1     12       19           
  Naomh P�l                   22   8   3     11       19
  Gleann                         22  6  6       10       18  
 Naomh Michil                 23  6  4       13       16  
 T� Chonnachta             23  7  2       14       16  
 Naomh Eoin Bosco         23  7  1       15        15  
 Misteiligh an Iuir             23  3  3       17         9  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 13, 2008, 02:37:08 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 13, 2008, 02:29:50 PM
Many congrats to my nephew, Conor Mc Conville, on picking up a Down intermediate medal with Annaclone yesterday.

Conor will be glad to hear of your gloating, cue the slagging in annaclone changing rooms :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T Fearon on October 13, 2008, 02:45:24 PM
well he's a nephew by marriage, his father's a brother of my missus...jaysus I had to think about that one! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: full back on October 13, 2008, 02:50:12 PM
He is no realtion of you at all FFS
Jaysus Fearon, you are some glory hunter :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T Fearon on October 13, 2008, 03:03:34 PM
Not glory hunting...ffs a Down intermediate medal  ::). If I wanted to glory hunt I'd claim a Kerry ancestry ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: full back on October 13, 2008, 03:08:08 PM
It was enough for you to come on & boast about him being your relation
Suppose you havent had much success with the spuds, Poyntzpass or Portydown this season ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T Fearon on October 13, 2008, 03:26:04 PM
Since when did congratulating someone, a family relation , on winning a medal constitute boasting?

In any event, if I wanted to boast I would point out that my late brother represented Armagh at Minor, U21 and Senior Level, won an Ulster Junior Championship with Armagh, a Sigerson Cup medal with QUB and represented the Combined Universities ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 13, 2008, 03:53:29 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 13, 2008, 03:26:04 PM
Since when did congratulating someone, a family relation , on winning a medal constitute boasting?

In any event, if I wanted to boast I would point out that my late brother represented Armagh at Minor, U21 and Senior Level, won an Ulster Junior Championship with Armagh, a Sigerson Cup medal with QUB and represented the Combined Universities ;)


So you did want to boast  :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on October 13, 2008, 03:56:26 PM
could someone post the all county premier reserve league results div 2?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on October 13, 2008, 08:34:25 PM
Tony,
My aunt won 2 AIs (one more than Arma) at handball and her Mum was AI Feis champion at Séanog dance (junior) plus Arma road bowls winner.  Her Gran Ma was married to a McConville from Arma so you might want to jump on this band wagon as well.

PS:  Forgive the presbyterian in me but, I am not sure about having a dubious Armaman related to decent Downfolk?


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 13, 2008, 10:22:24 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on October 13, 2008, 03:26:04 PM
Since when did congratulating someone, a family relation , on winning a medal constitute boasting?

In any event, if I wanted to boast I would point out that my late brother represented Armagh at Minor, U21 and Senior Level, won an Ulster Junior Championship with Armagh, a Sigerson Cup medal with QUB and represented the Combined Universities ;)


Also a gentleman.Fond memories Tony.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Clown on October 14, 2008, 09:16:08 AM
i thought the IFC final was a very entertaining game, a good start for Annaclone with the early goal but Darragh fought back well and if they had taken their chances would have won.
Most of the second half was played in the Annaclone half but Darragh coudnt get the breakthrough goal, Annaclone will do well in the Ulster championship they hav some very good young players.
Darragh will be back next year having learnt from the experience
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 14, 2008, 09:48:55 AM
Score from Burren v Ballyholland's game last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T Fearon on October 14, 2008, 10:19:41 AM
And how did my nephew perform for Annaclone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 14, 2008, 11:32:14 AM
burren won 1-15 to 1-12 umpire.

decent game, some decent football and harps went close again without ever really looking like winning it. downfall for ballyholland all year has been a lack of scoring forwards.

in div2 you get away with it, but in div1 you need 3 or 4 chipping in.

credit again to joe murphy who was outstanding at centre half back; possibly one for the v near future!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 14, 2008, 11:40:46 AM
Joe has a bit of filling out to do but if he can't fill out anything like his Paul he won't be far away. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on October 14, 2008, 01:28:30 PM
Is it possible the relegation issue can be almost cleared up this weekend IF Liatroim beat the 'Island, and Castlewellan beat An Ríocht??

By my reckoning, Liatroim will have reached the 12 pts required with 4 games left and An Ríocht will have only 11pts with all their games played.

This is all of course providing the bridge reach the 40pts mark with their 3 games left against Liatroim Saval, and Louginisland!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 14, 2008, 01:59:07 PM
In div 3, according to most posters here, the bar is already set at 12 points i.e 38 x 30% =11.4 rounded up to 12, therefore Mitchells are already gone. Is this right? Just trying to guage the chances of them showing up in holywood this sat
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 14, 2008, 03:18:13 PM
Thanks Goldenyears.

That Burren finished this year,
Burren should be the team to make life difficult for Bridge next year!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 14, 2008, 03:30:27 PM
I was to quick to say that Buren is finished for the season, they still can claim a place in play off.
Burren has 25 pts, other teams need to win all games to bypass Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 14, 2008, 03:52:35 PM
Quote from: passedit on October 14, 2008, 01:59:07 PM
In div 3, according to most posters here, the bar is already set at 12 points i.e 38 x 30% =11.4 rounded up to 12, therefore Mitchells are already gone. Is this right? Just trying to guage the chances of them showing up in holywood this sat


Last years league table

ACFL Division 3 Table

                   Played     Points
Tullylish           22            34             Playoffs
Saul                22            31             Playoffs
Dundrum         22            31             Playoffs
Bredagh          22            29             Playoffs
--------------------------------------------
Bosco              22            26
Ardglass           22            23
Teconnaught    22            22
Glenn              22            20
------------------------------------------
Drumgath         22           19         Playoffs
Mitchels           22            11         Playoffs
St Pauls           22            10         Playoffs
-------------------------------------------         
Bright              22             8          Relegated


Tullylish had 34 points.  34*.3 = 10.2.  Rounded down to 10.  We should assume the same for this year.  i.e.  38*.3 = 11. 4 rounded down to 11.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 14, 2008, 04:02:47 PM
I think below is a bit ambiguous

(e) Any team in Divisions 1, 2 or 3 which fails to achieve 30% (rounded up to the nearest point) of the points of the top team in that Division following the conclusion of ordinary round league games will be relegated automatically.  If more than two teams fail to achieve 30% (rounded up to the nearest point) of the points of the top team in that Division, the lowest finishing two teams will be relegated. 

Could mean rounded upwards i.e. 11.4 becomes 12 or rounded to the nearest whole number in which cases 11.4 becomes 11.

Based on past precedence I think we should assume the later.

What if the top team had 35 points.  35*.3 = 10.5 should it be rounded up or down in this case?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on October 14, 2008, 04:49:57 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 14, 2008, 03:18:13 PM
Thanks Goldenyears.

That Burren finished this year,
Burren should be the team to make life difficult for Bridge next year!!

was this not meant to be the case this year?with eoin mccarten back from injury and james mcgovern back from the states...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 14, 2008, 06:25:45 PM
Intermediate final was good game.Not much separated the sides.The goal gave Annaclone big lift,and was a killer for Darragh.Some very good scores throughout.Referee bottle it big time when he awarded Darragh a 14 yard free instead of a penalty,the fella was a mile inside the 14,and the ref said it was for the first foul,which is balls.He also dissallowed a goal for Darragh which was dubious enough.Hopefully Annaclone go well in their ulster campaign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 14, 2008, 06:26:04 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on October 14, 2008, 04:49:57 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 14, 2008, 03:18:13 PM
Thanks Goldenyears.

That Burren finished this year,
Burren should be the team to make life difficult for Bridge next year!!

was this not meant to be the case this year?with eoin mccarten back from injury and james mcgovern back from the states...

yeh was thinking that myself, why not this year? whats goin to change next year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on October 14, 2008, 07:10:14 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on October 14, 2008, 06:25:45 PM
Intermediate final was good game.Not much separated the sides.The goal gave Annaclone big lift,and was a killer for Darragh.Some very good scores throughout.Referee bottle it big time when he awarded Darragh a 14 yard free instead of a penalty,the fella was a mile inside the 14,and the ref said it was for the first foul,which is balls.He also dissallowed a goal for Darragh which was dubious enough.Hopefully Annaclone go well in their ulster campaign.

i would say cullyhanna will be very hard to stop fully expect them to take care of cullavile this weekend(doubt they should have been in intermediate to begin with}.  having benny mcardle back from the states will help their chances but nop farrell brothers be a big hinderance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 14, 2008, 07:50:25 PM
Yeah Ulster will be tough,Moy r likely to b init too.Cullyhanna or Culloville shudnt be in the intermediate championship in Armagh.Both r top Division 1 teams in Armagh and will be hard to stop.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 14, 2008, 08:24:43 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 14, 2008, 04:02:47 PM
I think below is a bit ambiguous

(e) Any team in Divisions 1, 2 or 3 which fails to achieve 30% (rounded up to the nearest point) of the points of the top team in that Division following the conclusion of ordinary round league games will be relegated automatically.  If more than two teams fail to achieve 30% (rounded up to the nearest point) of the points of the top team in that Division, the lowest finishing two teams will be relegated. 

Could mean rounded upwards i.e. 11.4 becomes 12 or rounded to the nearest whole number in which cases 11.4 becomes 11.

Based on past precedence I think we should assume the later.

What if the top team had 35 points.  35*.3 = 10.5 should it be rounded up or down in this case?

Personly all these equations and theorie sare nothing but a load of balls!! the winners should be crowned champions and the bottom 2 teams should be relegated simple as that.The reason all this crap was brought in is because it was seen as a disadvantage to teams who have county players in there panel. I think the bridge have shown they are the best team in the county even without there county men they are still beating teams who haven't a sole panelist in there squad. The same applies in division 2 & 3 were the ford and glasdrumman are far superior to any of the other teams in there respective divisions and they might not even get promoted because of this "cup match" senario. Personally i think that if a team is winning the league by more than 4/5 points more than second place they should automatically be league winners and let the other 3 battle it out for promotion. In the instance of relegation the bottom 2 teams in each division are the worst teams in that section the stats dont lie.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OnTheLine on October 14, 2008, 08:43:35 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on October 14, 2008, 08:24:43 PM
...
The same applies in division 2 & 3 were the ford and glasdrumman are far superior to any of the other teams in there respective divisions
...

Given the current points standing in division 3, I don't know where you get that idea from. I'm not a big supporter of the playoff system but sh*te like this statement has no relevance... Get your facts right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on October 15, 2008, 04:28:11 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 14, 2008, 06:26:04 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on October 14, 2008, 04:49:57 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 14, 2008, 03:18:13 PM
Thanks Goldenyears.

That Burren finished this year,
Burren should be the team to make life difficult for Bridge next year!!

was this not meant to be the case this year?with eoin mccarten back from injury and james mcgovern back from the states...

yeh was thinking that myself, why not this year? whats goin to change next year?

burren will most certainly not want the bridge to equal their record of 6 ch'ships in a row!!
but i think the standard across the entire league is becoming more uniform, not really much to choose between the top 6 possibly 7 teams, the bridge definitely still have the edge tho with a good minor team coming thru!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rasmatazz:) on October 15, 2008, 05:06:48 PM
So what do you  Down guys think of the bridge in ulster this year?
Do you think they have a good chance ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on October 15, 2008, 09:29:43 PM
Naw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on October 16, 2008, 11:08:33 AM
the couldnt make an impact when they were at their best 3/4 years ago, think the standard has slipped a bit since then compared to teams from other counties, was at a ch'ship match in tyrone last weekend and it was a very competitive affair, think mayobridge need tougher games in the down ch'ship to set them up for whats ahead in ulster.
(i do believe however that the bridge will find things tougher next season on a number of fronts!)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 16, 2008, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: kinghen on October 16, 2008, 11:08:33 AM
the couldnt make an impact when they were at their best 3/4 years ago, think the standard has slipped a bit since then compared to teams from other counties, was at a ch'ship match in tyrone last weekend and it was a very competitive affair, think mayobridge need tougher games in the down ch'ship to set them up for whats ahead in ulster.
(i do believe however that the bridge will find things tougher next season on a number of fronts!)

The same thing is said every year.  If it is said long enough then eventually it will be true.  Mayobridge are well clear in the league and won the championship this year without breaking sweat.  It's hard to say who is going to catch them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 16, 2008, 01:19:34 PM
Quote from: kinghen on October 16, 2008, 11:08:33 AM
the couldnt make an impact when they were at their best 3/4 years ago, think the standard has slipped a bit since then compared to teams from other counties, was at a ch'ship match in tyrone last weekend and it was a very competitive affair, think mayobridge need tougher games in the down ch'ship to set them up for whats ahead in ulster.
(i do believe however that the bridge will find things tougher next season on a number of fronts!)

????
we never seem to get the recognition from the rest of the county, We are champions in senior , premier reserve and minor and are top of senoir , premier reserve and minor leagues, if our thirds win on Sunday we play Ballyholland in a league semi-final !!!! If The standard has slipped, who's fault is that!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on October 16, 2008, 01:38:45 PM
The standard within Down is at an all time low. Mayobridge arent really pushed in the Down championship. Their results in Ulster reflect this. I know you could say the same for Crossmaglen in Armagh, but they are just that wee bit better than everyone else in Ulster. For Mayobridge to improve they need to be tested week in week out in Down. Breezing through all competitions at all levels is doing them no favours.
I`ll still be there supporting them on Sunday, as I do every year and I wish them well,  but this will be a tough game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 16, 2008, 01:41:16 PM
[we never seem to get the recognition from the rest of the county, We are champions in senior , premier reserve and minor and are top of senoir , premier reserve and minor leagues, if our thirds win on Sunday we play Ballyholland in a league semi-final !!!! If The standard has slipped, who's fault is that!!!!!!!!

Your u8s are shite by the way!! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 16, 2008, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on October 16, 2008, 01:41:16 PM
[we never seem to get the recognition from the rest of the county, We are champions in senior , premier reserve and minor and are top of senoir , premier reserve and minor leagues, if our thirds win on Sunday we play Ballyholland in a league semi-final !!!! If The standard has slipped, who's fault is that!!!!!!!!

Your u8s are shite by the way!! ;D

Nice to see our great friends Kilcoo wishing us all the best!!! ;D
Has setanta bought the rights for your games next season as well!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 16, 2008, 02:59:18 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 16, 2008, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on October 16, 2008, 01:41:16 PM
[we never seem to get the recognition from the rest of the county, We are champions in senior , premier reserve and minor and are top of senoir , premier reserve and minor leagues, if our thirds win on Sunday we play Ballyholland in a league semi-final !!!! If The standard has slipped, who's fault is that!!!!!!!!

Your u8s are shite by the way!! ;D

Nice to see our great friends Kilcoo wishing us all the best!!! ;D
Has setanta bought the rights for your games next season as well!!!!

Jaysus only a bit of craic,   I would love to see the bridge win on sunday and progress after all we are all lovers not haters,  are'nt we?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 16, 2008, 04:26:09 PM
centre 3/4s thats crap re botom 2 in the league; whilst I agree that the teams at the lower end are there on merit, I have no doubt that had we Paul Murphy, Ronan Murtagh and Robbie White for the entire year, we would have at least 6 more points than we finished up with. that takes us out of the bottom 2 and we stay up which makes our season a v successful one instead of the huge disappointment it has become.

take a look at our results all year and you will see how close we were on a number of occasions and with that county experience and quality in our side, we would undoubtedly have finished higher up!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on October 16, 2008, 05:10:13 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 16, 2008, 01:19:34 PM
Quote from: kinghen on October 16, 2008, 11:08:33 AM
the couldnt make an impact when they were at their best 3/4 years ago, think the standard has slipped a bit since then compared to teams from other counties, was at a ch'ship match in tyrone last weekend and it was a very competitive affair, think mayobridge need tougher games in the down ch'ship to set them up for whats ahead in ulster.
(i do believe however that the bridge will find things tougher next season on a number of fronts!)

????
we never seem to get the recognition from the rest of the county, We are champions in senior , premier reserve and minor and are top of senoir , premier reserve and minor leagues, if our thirds win on Sunday we play Ballyholland in a league semi-final !!!! If The standard has slipped, who's fault is that!!!!!!!!


i meant the standard of the senior team has slipped in relation to the rest of the teams in ulster not in the county, all of the above shows what a great year you's have had in down football, i just dont think you's will make an impact in ulster!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 16, 2008, 05:33:57 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on October 16, 2008, 02:59:18 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 16, 2008, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on October 16, 2008, 01:41:16 PM
[we never seem to get the recognition from the rest of the county, We are champions in senior , premier reserve and minor and are top of senoir , premier reserve and minor leagues, if our thirds win on Sunday we play Ballyholland in a league semi-final !!!! If The standard has slipped, who's fault is that!!!!!!!!

Your u8s are shite by the way!! ;D

Nice to see our great friends Kilcoo wishing us all the best!!! ;D
Has setanta bought the rights for your games next season as well!!!!

Jaysus only a bit of craic,   I would love to see the bridge win on sunday and progress after all we are all lovers not haters,  are'nt we?

i was only slagging as well centre, A Lover is always better than a fighter!!!!!!! :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mixer boy on October 16, 2008, 06:43:49 PM
i was just wondering if all referees have been told to play games no matter how bad the pitches r at the weekend, like they were told last weekend. It would be very disapointing to see another 2 players sitting up in daisy hill around half 5 with serious leg injuries like the was last saturday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 16, 2008, 06:50:34 PM
Quote from: mixer boy on October 16, 2008, 06:43:49 PM
i was just wondering if all referees have been told to play games no matter how bad the pitches r at the weekend, like they were told last weekend. It would be very disapointing to see another 2 players sitting up in daisy hill around half 5 with serious leg injuries like the was last saturday

who were they
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mixer boy on October 16, 2008, 07:25:52 PM
a glenn fella and a saul fella
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 16, 2008, 11:29:36 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 16, 2008, 01:19:34 PM
Quote from: kinghen on October 16, 2008, 11:08:33 AM
the couldnt make an impact when they were at their best 3/4 years ago, think the standard has slipped a bit since then compared to teams from other counties, was at a ch'ship match in tyrone last weekend and it was a very competitive affair, think mayobridge need tougher games in the down ch'ship to set them up for whats ahead in ulster.
(i do believe however that the bridge will find things tougher next season on a number of fronts!)

????
we never seem to get the recognition from the rest of the county, We are champions in senior , premier reserve and minor and are top of senoir , premier reserve and minor leagues, if our thirds win on Sunday we play Ballyholland in a league semi-final !!!! If The standard has slipped, who's fault is that!!!!!!!!


Why do you need to care about the opinions of others? If we had won the last five titles I can safely say I wouldn't give a monkeys about what was said about us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on October 17, 2008, 01:19:00 PM
Will someone put up the time of the Bridge game on Sunday ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 17, 2008, 01:47:22 PM
Ulster Club Championship, Preliminary Round.
Mayobridge (Down Champions) v St. Gall's (Antrim Champions).
On: Sunday 19th October. In: Pairc Esler, Newry.
Throw-in: 3.30 p.m. Referee: M. Sludden, Tyrone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on October 17, 2008, 01:58:07 PM
Thks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rasmatazz:) on October 17, 2008, 07:23:40 PM
Can mayo win this match on suday ? What do u think?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 18, 2008, 06:11:15 PM
Darragh Cross 2-09 Warrenpoint 1-09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on October 18, 2008, 07:55:31 PM
Heard Kilclief beat Bryansford (leaves them a point of making playoffs with 2 games to play?)
Clann na banna drew with Attical which I think leaves them safe and leaves clann needing a point from 2 games to ensure a playoff place?
Tullylish beat downpatrick
Annaclone beat dundrum
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 18, 2008, 08:12:20 PM
rostrevor 1-12 longstone 1-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 18, 2008, 08:22:48 PM
Saul beat Bredagh by 2 pts.

No 1's comments about Bredagh during the week motivated the South Belfast lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on October 18, 2008, 08:36:30 PM
Div 3

St Pauls beat Mitchels by 2 pts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 18, 2008, 09:11:35 PM
Saturday 18th
ACFL Div 1
Clonduff 1 09 Kilcoo 2 11
Liatroim 0 12 Loughinisland 0 08
Castlewellan 1 09 An Riocht 1 08
Longstone 1 10 Rostrevor 1 12
Burren 1 15 Ballyholland 1 11

ACFL Div 2
Daragh Cross 2 09 Warrenpoint 1 09
Attical 1 10 Clann na Banna 1 10
Ballymartin 0 10 Shamrocks 1 12
Kilclief 2 06 Bryansford 0 07
Dundrum 0 03 Annaclone 2 16
Downpatrick 2 13 Tullylish 0 11

ACFL Div 3
Drumaness 1 10 Drumgath 1 10
St Pauls 2 10 Mitchels 1 11
Teconnaught 0 17 St Micheals 0 07
Saul 0 15 Bredagh 1 10
St John Bosco 1 05 Glenn 0 08
Carryduff v Ardglass OFF

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 18, 2008, 09:54:22 PM
Saturday 18th Oct
Div one table

P   W   D     L   Pts   SD   Teams
19   17   0     2   34   116   Mayobridge
22   13   2     7   28     27   Rostrevor
19   13   1     5   27     81   Kilcoo
22   12   1     9   25     16   Burren
21   11   2     8   24     36   Castlewellan
20   10   1     9   21   -30   Clonduff
21   10   0   11   20   -15   Longstone
19     7   4     8   18   -18   Loughinisland
20     7   3   10   17   -26   Saval
18     5   2   11   12   -53   Liatroim
22     5   1   16   11   -74   An Riocht
21     2   3   16     7   -60   Ballyholland

Remaining games

   Series 17
   Liatroim v Castlewellan
   Series 18
   Loughinisland v Mayobridge
   Clonduff v Liatroim
   Kilcoo v Saval
   Series 19
   Liatroim v Kilcoo
   Series 20
   Liatroim v Mayobridge
   Kilcoo v Loughinisland
   Series 21
   Loughinisland v Clonduff
   Ballyholland v Longstone
   Series 22
   Mayobridge v Saval
   


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 18, 2008, 10:42:41 PM
QuoteNo 1's comments about Bredagh during the week motivated the South Belfast lads.

I've been waiting a week for that bite and that's the best you can do?!  ;)

Great win for our lads today, Bryansford did us a massive favour by being totally shite.   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 19, 2008, 01:49:59 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 18, 2008, 09:11:35 PM
Saturday 18th
ACFL Div 1
Clonduff 1 09 Kilcoo 2 11
Liatroim 0 12 Loughinisland 0 08
Castlewellan 1 09 An Riocht 1 08
Longstone 1 10 Rostrevor 1 12
Burren 1 15 Ballyholland 1 11

ACFL Div 2
Daragh Cross 2 09 Warrenpoint 1 09
Attical 1 10 Clann na Banna 1 10
Ballymartin 0 10 Shamrocks 1 12
Kilclief 2 06 Bryansford 0 07
Dundrum 0 03 Annaclone 2 16
Downpatrick 2 13 Tullylish 0 11

ACFL Div 3
Drumaness 1 10 Drumgath 1 10
St Pauls 2 10 Mitchels 1 11
Teconnaught 0 17 St Micheals 0 07
Saul 0 15 Bredagh 1 10
St John Bosco 1 05 Glenn 0 08
Carryduff v Ardglass OFF


think the Tulllylish Downpatrick score is wrong,think Tullylish won it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 19, 2008, 03:38:08 PM
Anybody know what channel (frequency) the mayobridge gane is on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ExiledGael on October 19, 2008, 08:17:57 PM
Scoreline suggests otherwise but Mayobridge well enough beaten today. Just came up against a better team and too reliant on Coulter & Walsh for inspiration, though they tried. Who hit the first goal?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 19, 2008, 08:42:41 PM
Mayobridge beat by 2 pts and Ballygalget beat by 1. That's Ulster over for another year.  :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 19, 2008, 10:34:00 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on October 19, 2008, 08:17:57 PM
Scoreline suggests otherwise but Mayobridge well enough beaten today. Just came up against a better team and too reliant on Coulter & Walsh for inspiration, though they tried. Who hit the first goal?
Ronan Sexton.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 20, 2008, 09:23:24 AM
did anyone think that £12 into mayobridge game yesterday was a bit steep? no student rate either. not sure if there was an oap rate or not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 20, 2008, 10:20:43 AM
Quote from: imagine on October 20, 2008, 09:18:56 AM
Yet again Mayobridge falter in Ulster.It's time to improve our level of Club Football by whatever means
possible to get/give someone else a chance of doing what Mayobridge cannot do.

 



what a complete load of shit,  so your saying bridge should let someone else win the championship and they'd do better in ulster??  what are you on man??  that is the most stupidest post i have ever read on this board!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 20, 2008, 10:35:20 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on October 20, 2008, 10:20:43 AM
Quote from: imagine on October 20, 2008, 09:18:56 AM
Yet again Mayobridge falter in Ulster.It's time to improve our level of Club Football by whatever means
possible to get/give someone else a chance of doing what Mayobridge cannot do.

 



what a complete load of shit,  so your saying bridge should let someone else win the championship and they'd do better in ulster??  what are you on man??  that is the most stupidest post i have ever read on this board!!!!!
So how come down teams can't win in Ulster, last team to win was Burren in the 80's.  Is it just that the other teams in Ulster are too strong. Is the non competitive league not helping?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 20, 2008, 11:12:37 AM
Quote from: imagine on October 20, 2008, 11:05:03 AM
  Bridgegael,you'd want to start learning how to use the "quote" facility on the board here. Mayobridge are a disgrace to Down yet gain.I stand by my comments,the leagues and football in general has to be improved to get a competitive club to make a mark in Ulster.


you haven't a good argue to make so you make comments about how i use the 'quote' facility,  how stupid and childish of you!!  i didn't know kids had access to internet at playschool these days!  explain IN DETAIL how mayobridge are a 'disgrace' to down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 20, 2008, 11:17:22 AM
  I think his point is that we have failed to deliver in Ulster.Maybe next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 20, 2008, 11:17:38 AM
Imagine how exactly are Mayobridge a disgrace to Down?  A two point defeat to St.Galls is no disgrace, St. Gall's made last years Ulster club final and were in an All Ireland final a couple of season ago.  You also say we need to improve club football in Down like its a matter of turning some switch and hey presto club football is improved.  Its not Mayobridge's responsibility to improve club football, we have set the bar in Down and the other clubs can't match us for whatever reasons.

£12 was very expensive for yesterdays game.  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 20, 2008, 11:36:05 AM
Imagine just as a matter of interest what club are you from?

If Mayobridge cant win the Ulster championship then theres no way any team in Down will.Any other team in Down would get embarrassed with the exception maybe of a full strength Longstone team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 20, 2008, 12:14:58 PM
Quote from: imagine on October 20, 2008, 11:05:03 AM
  Bridgegael,you'd want to start learning how to use the "quote" facility on the board here. Mayobridge are a disgrace to Down yet gain.I stand by my comments,the leagues and football in general has to be improved to get a competitive club to make a mark in Ulster.

Agree that leagues and football have to improve to make Down more competitive. Not Mayobridge's fault and to quote them as being a disgrace is a ridiculous statement to come out with.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 20, 2008, 12:33:11 PM
Apart from when Crossmaglen are on their game, Ulster Championship matches tend to go right down to the wire; a missed free, a bad decision, or a solitary piece of brilliance is all it takes to swing the balance. Burren of the eighties were a magnificent football team, but track back through the games in either winning campaign and you'll find missed penalties, points that bounced over the bar, players sent off, players carried off, howling winds that changed direction - all little pieces of luck that swung tight games in favour of the Down team.

There is an old adage that teams make their own luck. But when teams are as evenly balanced and as equally driven as those in the Ulster Championship, it can all come down to a bounce of the ball.

One things is for sure though. If other clubs in Down could manage to rival Mayobridge for intensity, tactics and killer instinct a couple of extra times a year, it would only do the Sky Blues a favour when they do progress into Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 20, 2008, 12:55:20 PM
Imagine,

Question for you

Since 1990, Downpatrick, Castlewellan, Burren, Rostrevor, Clonduff and Bryansford have all won Down Championship and they didnot win ulster championship.
Are they also a disgrace to Down football?

I think your comment that Mayobridge are a disgrace to Down Football is totally out of order.

When in Ulster i suppport all Down winners in the past and they have all try hard, but Ulster football is tough competition played in usually winter conditions, so a degree of luck can decided some matches in closely fought game.

Mayobridge is a credit to Down football and other clubs must raise their standard to defeat the Bridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on October 20, 2008, 12:58:27 PM
I think yous are a disgrace for even answering him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 20, 2008, 01:25:59 PM
is that div 1 relegation settled then lads? harps and kingdom automatically down??

i see no point in haprs v longstone in the last fixture as both teams have nothing to play for, or will all fixtures be played out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on October 20, 2008, 01:32:05 PM
Two absolute idiotic comments imagine, to suggest someone would fair better in Ulster than Mayobridge is absurd, they walked the Down c/ship this year and only had to play for 15minutes in a game to see a team off, its probably this lack of stiff competition that is the downfall of the bridge when it comes to Ulster!!! Yes it gets a bit monotonous when the bridge are winning year in year out but they are the best and its the rest of the clubs in the county's goal to try and reach their standard. Are St Galls a disgrace to Antrim football having only won 1 Ulster with the number of times they've been in the Ulster c/ship recently??...as Wobbler says it can all come down to a bounce of the ball and the bridge were very unlucky in the 2001 final not to win against the eventual all-ireland champions. Mayobridge pushed St Galls to with in a point yesterday even with and awful day at midfield and breaking ball!!! maybe they're just that bit lacking in some sectors but them boys still bust a gut yesterday and should be proud of their performance in the second half all the same!!! If thats the sort of comments u have u'd be safer to just keep them to yourself
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 20, 2008, 01:33:56 PM
See theres relegation playoffs in the second Division.Kilclief,tullylish and Downpatrick.
Id say Downpatrick are shittin themselves,they wont fancy it.
Fancy kilclief to escape.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on October 20, 2008, 01:36:44 PM
Think the bridge need to win one more game to seal automatic relegation for the Kingdom Goldenyears
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 20, 2008, 01:43:21 PM
Quote from: amallon on October 20, 2008, 11:17:38 AM
Imagine how exactly are Mayobridge a disgrace to Down?  A two point defeat to St.Galls is no disgrace, St. Gall's made last years Ulster club final and were in an All Ireland final a couple of season ago.  You also say we need to improve club football in Down like its a matter of turning some switch and hey presto club football is improved.  Its not Mayobridge's responsibility to improve club football, we have set the bar in Down and the other clubs can't match us for whatever reasons.

£12 was very expensive for yesterdays game.  

Talk of Mayobridge being a disgrace is just too silly.
After a dire first half yesterday they put up a spirited performance in the second half which left open the late possibility of a draw - a couple of scorable frees went begging and I don't understand why Walsh didn't take them.
Having said that St Gall's fully deserved to win, a better team all round, and the Bridge without Benny would have been gone completely by half time.
That's where Down football is lads. Get used to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on October 20, 2008, 02:02:11 PM
Somewhere in their subconscious are the 'bridge lads just happy to be best in Down ?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 20, 2008, 02:24:13 PM
Any fixtures for this weekend out yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 20, 2008, 02:41:19 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on October 20, 2008, 02:02:11 PM
Somewhere in their subconscious are the 'bridge lads just happy to be best in Down ?



definately not!!! these lads give everything to our club and if breaks have went for us in prevoius years we could have at least one Ulster title... we are very proud of what we have achieved and with a strong minor team and an equally stronger one next year, we will definately get better before we get worse!!!

Ps Imagine, think before you post!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 20, 2008, 02:53:58 PM
Goldenyears

Think Mayobridge need to win all 3 games to put An Riocht down to Div 2 automatically
If Bridge win 2 out of 3 games, that leave the Bridge with 38 points and 30% equal to 11.4 and rounded of to near point is then 11. An Riocht have 11 already and they will be in playoff off.
That is my thinking of it.


Longstone are still not clear of bottom 4 yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 20, 2008, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 20, 2008, 02:53:58 PM
Goldenyears

Think Mayobridge need to win all 3 games to put An Riocht down to Div 2 automatically
If Bridge win 2 out of 3 games, that leave the Bridge with 38 points and 30% equal to 11.4 and rounded of to near point is then 11. An Riocht have 11 already and they will be in playoff off.
That is my thinking of it.


Longstone are still not clear of bottom 4 yet.

If the Bridge beat loughinisland on Sunday they are left with Liatroim and Saval in their remaining fixtures!!! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kb on October 20, 2008, 03:54:45 PM
Anyone know about what is happening in div 2 about the relegation play offs. Results from county board are wrong as Tullylish beat Downpatrick on Saturday. The 30% mark is 11.4 and kilcief have 11. Will this be rounded down or do they have to get above it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 20, 2008, 04:14:17 PM
As an outsider I would say it could be a slight mental thing for Mayobridge.  They have lost a lot of tight games in ulster, maybe that belief they have at Down level where they have won tight games over the years is lacking a bit at ulster level.  You can see that at lot of clubs at different levels where they get to finals but never quite get over the winning line. e.g.  Bright have got to the junior final something like 5 times in the last 10 years but have yet to win it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 20, 2008, 04:20:31 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 20, 2008, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 20, 2008, 02:53:58 PM
Goldenyears

Think Mayobridge need to win all 3 games to put An Riocht down to Div 2 automatically
If Bridge win 2 out of 3 games, that leave the Bridge with 38 points and 30% equal to 11.4 and rounded of to near point is then 11. An Riocht have 11 already and they will be in playoff off.
That is my thinking of it.


Longstone are still not clear of bottom 4 yet.

If the Bridge beat loughinisland on Sunday they are left with Liatroim and Saval in their remaining fixtures!!! ;) ;D

What's the betting on all 3 of these teams get stuffed by Mayobridge even if Mayobridge put there minor team out.  It would be like turkeys voting for Christmas for them to beat Mayobridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The GAA on October 20, 2008, 04:33:17 PM

Looking at the game as a neutral i'd say that the bridge have an above average number of "poor" (relatively speaking) players on their team for a county championship winning team. they rely very heavily on walsh and coulter in particular and the quality isn't there to carry the game when those two are nullified.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on October 20, 2008, 04:35:33 PM
Maiden it is a very strange situation in that the three teams that mayobridge play would benefit from the bridge winning and thus would be out of relegation play offs. not good way for down football but.......

T O hare - are you sure we play the bridge on sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 20, 2008, 05:07:18 PM
Quote from: islandboy on October 20, 2008, 04:35:33 PM
Maiden it is a very strange situation in that the three teams that mayobridge play would benefit from the bridge winning and thus would be out of relegation play offs. not good way for down football but.......

T O hare - are you sure we play the bridge on sunday?

Yeah, think the fairest way would have been for the last couple of round ofleague  games to be played together, that way e.g.  Loughinisland would not know that An Riocht where going to lose to Castlewellan and would be all out to beat Mayobridge to be out of the bottom 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 20, 2008, 05:57:38 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 20, 2008, 02:24:13 PM
Any fixtures for this weekend out yet?

It begins

Saturday 25th Oct
Div 3 Promotion Playoff
Ballykinlar 3 00
Glassdrumman v Bredagh
ACFL Div 1
Liatroim v Castlewellan
ACPRL Div 1
Mayobridge v Clonduff
ACPRL Div 2
Saval v Ballymartin
Longstone v Carryduff
ACHL Div 2 Playoff
Kilclief 4 00
Ballycran v Warrenpoint
Sunday 26th Oct 2 00
ACFL Div 1
Loughinisland v Mayobridge
Kilcoo v Saval
Ballyholland v Longstone
ACFL Div 2
Clann na Banna v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Warrenpoint
Div 3 Promotion Playoff
Saul 2 00
Carryduff v Ardglass
Div 3 relegation Playoff
Tullylish 2 00
St John Bosco v St Micheals

this is the e-mail I got, I have no idea about the venues.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on October 20, 2008, 06:06:54 PM
Quote from: kb on October 20, 2008, 03:54:45 PM
Anyone know about what is happening in div 2 about the relegation play offs. Results from county board are wrong as Tullylish beat Downpatrick on Saturday. The 30% mark is 11.4 and kilcief have 11. Will this be rounded down or do they have to get above it?

It gets rounded down.
Is the 30% mark not 12? Bryansford not have 38 points? Thus leaving Kilclief needing 1 more point?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on October 20, 2008, 06:09:13 PM
What the f**k are yous on about? Is this the percentage of winning the leaders' games or something. Can anyone explain the rules?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 20, 2008, 06:11:32 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 20, 2008, 05:57:38 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 20, 2008, 02:24:13 PM
Any fixtures for this weekend out yet?

It begins

Saturday 25th Oct
Div 3 Promotion Playoff
Ballykinlar 3 00
Glassdrumman v Bredagh
ACFL Div 1
Liatroim v Castlewellan
ACPRL Div 1
Mayobridge v Clonduff
ACPRL Div 2
Saval v Ballymartin
Longstone v Carryduff
ACHL Div 2 Playoff
Kilclief 4 00
Ballycran v Warrenpoint
Sunday 26th Oct 2 00
ACFL Div 1
Loughinisland v Mayobridge
Kilcoo v Saval
Ballyholland v Longstone
ACFL Div 2
Clann na Banna v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Warrenpoint
Div 3 Promotion Playoff
Saul 2 00
Carryduff v Ardglass
Div 3 relegation Playoff
Tullylish 2 00
St John Bosco v St Micheals

this is the e-mail I got, I have no idea about the venues.



fixed that for ye square ball.   :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on October 20, 2008, 06:15:29 PM
Quote from: corn02 on October 20, 2008, 06:09:13 PM
What the f**k are yous on about? Is this the percentage of winning the leaders' games or something. Can anyone explain the rules?

In order for the bottom 4 teams to force even a relegation play-off they must have a 3rd of the winning teams points, this is to stop teams getting destroyed week in week out yet staying up through the play-offs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on October 20, 2008, 06:20:59 PM
hmmm suppose good system them. What if a team went unbeaten and three teams did not have a third, would they automatically all go down or have a play-off?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on October 20, 2008, 06:25:06 PM
Quote from: corn02 on October 20, 2008, 06:20:59 PM
hmmm suppose good system them. What if a team went unbeaten and three teams did not have a third, would they automatically all go down or have a play-off?

If a team doesn't have a 3rd of the points they are automatically down, if more than 2 teams have not got the required points the bottom 2 are automatically relegated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on October 20, 2008, 06:26:43 PM
Fair enough. Playoffs are a waste of time should be two up, two down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on October 20, 2008, 06:31:47 PM
Quote from: corn02 on October 20, 2008, 06:26:43 PM
Fair enough. Playoffs are a waste of time should be two up, two down.

Couldn't agree more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 20, 2008, 07:03:51 PM
QuoteAnyone know about what is happening in div 2 about the relegation play offs. Results from county board are wrong as Tullylish beat Downpatrick on Saturday. The 30% mark is 11.4 and kilcief have 11. Will this be rounded down or do they have to get above it?


It gets rounded down.
Is the 30% mark not 12? Bryansford not have 38 points? Thus leaving Kilclief needing 1 more point?

My head is fried with this shite!

11.4 is 30% of 38 and this is rounded down to 11.  As far as I can tell we are in the play offs because we have 11 points.  I know this has been explained at length earlier in this thread but there are too many pages to trawl through! 

Can anyone confirm that the points are rounded down rather than up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 20, 2008, 07:43:59 PM
Last year Div 3
Tullylish finished on top with 34 points

St Pauls got 10  points and they played in play off.

34 points * 30% = 10.2
This has been rounded to near whole point 10 instead of up to next whole point which is 11

Going by last year Div 3, then Kilclief have enough points for play off
Bryansford 38 points * 30% = 11.4 rounded of to near whole point is 11
Kilclief have 11 already.
Or has it changed to rounded up to nearest whole point 12 and different from last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 20, 2008, 09:09:02 PM
Quote from: passedit on October 20, 2008, 06:11:32 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 20, 2008, 05:57:38 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 20, 2008, 02:24:13 PM
Any fixtures for this weekend out yet?

It begins

Saturday 25th Oct
Div 3 Promotion Playoff
Ballykinlar 3 00
Glassdrumman v Bredagh
ACFL Div 1
Liatroim v Castlewellan
ACPRL Div 1
Mayobridge v Clonduff
ACPRL Div 2
Saval v Ballymartin
Longstone v Carryduff
ACHL Div 2 Playoff
Kilclief 4 00
Ballycran v Warrenpoint
Sunday 26th Oct 2 00
ACFL Div 1
Loughinisland v Mayobridge
Kilcoo v Saval
Ballyholland v Longstone
ACFL Div 2
Clann na Banna v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Warrenpoint
Div 3 Promotion Playoff
Saul 2 00
Carryduff v Ardglass
Div 3 relegation Playoff
Tullylish 2 00
St John Bosco v St Micheals

this is the e-mail I got, I have no idea about the venues.



fixed that for ye square ball.   :P

appreciate that passedit, should have read the thing correctly  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on October 21, 2008, 11:14:20 AM
Are you guys sure that the percentage is 30? As far as im aware a 3rd is 33% not 30. Think Kilcief need at least 1 more point from their remaining fixtures to force a playoff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 21, 2008, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: The Corporal on October 21, 2008, 11:14:20 AM
Are you guys sure that the percentage is 30? As far as im aware a 3rd is 33% not 30. Think Kilcief need at least 1 more point from their remaining fixtures to force a playoff.

Competition rules for 2008

(b) Relegation from Divisions 1, 2 and 3 will be determined on a round   robin basis involving the bottom four teams in each of these Divisions following completion of the ordinary round of leagues.  Two teams will be relegated each year.  An exception will apply in 2008 when three teams will be relegated from Division 3.
(c)     Promotion from Divisions 2 and 3 will be determined on a round robin basis involving the top four teams in each of these Divisions following completion of the ordinary round of leagues. Two teams will be promoted each year.  There shall be no play-offs to determine promotion from Division 4, with the top two teams after the ordinary round of league games being deemed winners and runners-up respectively.  Both these teams will be promoted.
(d) Where teams finish on equal points, in either ordinary round league games or end of season play-offs, Score Difference will be used to determine the finishing position of teams.  Where score difference fails to determine the finishing position of teams, the Highest Score For shall be used to determine position(s).  In the event that teams are still equal, the Result of the Game (or combined scores of the games if the teams met on more than one occasion in the relevant competition) shall be used to determine the outcome.
(e) Any team in Divisions 1, 2 or 3 which fails to achieve 30% (rounded up to the nearest point) of the points of the top team in that Division following the conclusion of ordinary round league games will be relegated automatically.  If more than two teams fail to achieve 30% (rounded up to the nearest point) of the points of the top team in that Division, the lowest finishing two teams will be relegated. 
(f) A team failing to fulfil a fixture shall forfeit two league points to the opposing team and shall have five scoring points deducted from their aggregate score in games played.  Five scoring points shall be added to the opposing team's aggregate in games played.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on October 21, 2008, 11:34:50 AM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on October 21, 2008, 11:23:52 AM
Anyone confirm who won the Down Junior football championship this year?

St Johns
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on October 21, 2008, 05:18:09 PM
any of ye any idea of dates for east down and down scor sinsear?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on October 21, 2008, 05:19:26 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 21, 2008, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: The Corporal on October 21, 2008, 11:14:20 AM
Are you guys sure that the percentage is 30? As far as im aware a 3rd is 33% not 30. Think Kilcief need at least 1 more point from their remaining fixtures to force a playoff.

Competition rules for 2008

(b) Relegation from Divisions 1, 2 and 3 will be determined on a round   robin basis involving the bottom four teams in each of these Divisions following completion of the ordinary round of leagues.  Two teams will be relegated each year.  An exception will apply in 2008 when three teams will be relegated from Division 3.
(c)     Promotion from Divisions 2 and 3 will be determined on a round robin basis involving the top four teams in each of these Divisions following completion of the ordinary round of leagues. Two teams will be promoted each year.  There shall be no play-offs to determine promotion from Division 4, with the top two teams after the ordinary round of league games being deemed winners and runners-up respectively.  Both these teams will be promoted.
(d) Where teams finish on equal points, in either ordinary round league games or end of season play-offs, Score Difference will be used to determine the finishing position of teams.  Where score difference fails to determine the finishing position of teams, the Highest Score For shall be used to determine position(s).  In the event that teams are still equal, the Result of the Game (or combined scores of the games if the teams met on more than one occasion in the relevant competition) shall be used to determine the outcome.
(e) Any team in Divisions 1, 2 or 3 which fails to achieve 30% (rounded up to the nearest point) of the points of the top team in that Division following the conclusion of ordinary round league games will be relegated automatically.  If more than two teams fail to achieve 30% (rounded up to the nearest point) of the points of the top team in that Division, the lowest finishing two teams will be relegated. 
(f) A team failing to fulfil a fixture shall forfeit two league points to the opposing team and shall have five scoring points deducted from their aggregate score in games played.  Five scoring points shall be added to the opposing team's aggregate in games played.


So there is gonna be playoffs then??? Whos the three teams in it???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on October 22, 2008, 08:19:26 AM
Quote from: Superstar on October 21, 2008, 05:19:26 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 21, 2008, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: The Corporal on October 21, 2008, 11:14:20 AM
Are you guys sure that the percentage is 30? As far as im aware a 3rd is 33% not 30. Think Kilcief need at least 1 more point from their remaining fixtures to force a playoff.

Competition rules for 2008

(b) Relegation from Divisions 1, 2 and 3 will be determined on a round   robin basis involving the bottom four teams in each of these Divisions following completion of the ordinary round of leagues.  Two teams will be relegated each year.  An exception will apply in 2008 when three teams will be relegated from Division 3.
(c)     Promotion from Divisions 2 and 3 will be determined on a round robin basis involving the top four teams in each of these Divisions following completion of the ordinary round of leagues. Two teams will be promoted each year.  There shall be no play-offs to determine promotion from Division 4, with the top two teams after the ordinary round of league games being deemed winners and runners-up respectively.  Both these teams will be promoted.
(d) Where teams finish on equal points, in either ordinary round league games or end of season play-offs, Score Difference will be used to determine the finishing position of teams.  Where score difference fails to determine the finishing position of teams, the Highest Score For shall be used to determine position(s).  In the event that teams are still equal, the Result of the Game (or combined scores of the games if the teams met on more than one occasion in the relevant competition) shall be used to determine the outcome.
(e) Any team in Divisions 1, 2 or 3 which fails to achieve 30% (rounded up to the nearest point) of the points of the top team in that Division following the conclusion of ordinary round league games will be relegated automatically.  If more than two teams fail to achieve 30% (rounded up to the nearest point) of the points of the top team in that Division, the lowest finishing two teams will be relegated. 
(f) A team failing to fulfil a fixture shall forfeit two league points to the opposing team and shall have five scoring points deducted from their aggregate score in games played.  Five scoring points shall be added to the opposing team's aggregate in games played.


So there is gonna be playoffs then??? Whos the three teams in it???

I thought it was a 3rd of the points too, seems I was wrong (that is a strange feeling being wrong)
Playoffs between Tullylish, Downpatrick and Kilclief
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on October 22, 2008, 08:48:57 AM
Can someone post an up-to-date Div 2 league table?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on October 22, 2008, 09:20:26 AM
 http://www.downgaa.net/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 22, 2008, 09:44:55 AM
The Ballad of Big Tom O'Hare for Christmas Number 1
http://www.myspace.com/descarson
(http://www.myspace.com/descarson)  (Song Number 6)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 22, 2008, 09:52:57 AM
Quote from: interested on October 22, 2008, 09:20:26 AM
http://www.downgaa.net/

Or for anyone who cannot navigate..

http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/leaguetables/full_allcounty_leaguetables.htm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on October 22, 2008, 11:31:42 AM
Whats the craic with warrenpoint and ballycran playing in a hurling league div 2 playoff? is that for promotion?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on October 22, 2008, 01:14:35 PM
Heard that the Cty Board have decided to limit applications to the €250,000 development fund (provided by Central Council) to only those clubs which fully divieed up to the Pairc Esler project. Great decision probably taken by those who are from already well funded clubs. Upshot is that the rich clubs get richer and the smaller clubs who can barely afford to run their own club get tossed to the side. Well done!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on October 22, 2008, 01:19:30 PM
It wasn't just "Smaller Clubs" who opted out of paying up for P Esler.Some of the bigger clubs in the county reneded as well.
There were smaller clubs who did cough up not just once but twice so just right that they should be at the front of the queue when the grants are being handed out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 22, 2008, 01:27:54 PM
Who didn't pay up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 23, 2008, 10:24:59 AM
DaddyLongLegs - if my memory serves me correctly, only 4 clubs didn't subscribe to the Pairc Esler project. One of those clubs, who I won't name, refused to pay because as a hurling club they didn't see the point in funding a ground that none of their members would ever visit.

The direct debit issue caused a fair amount of acrimony between the clubs and the board, and I can well remember our own committee describing it as a waste of money. We still paid it though. As far as we were concerned, every club had to pay it.

As it turns out, the money was very well spent, and it's 1-0 to the county board on this occasion.

There were a number of discussions at county board level during the process over what sanctions could be placed on non-paying clubs, but nothing was agreed. I'm glad to see that something is actually is being put in place. It's not really a punishment for the clubs who didn't partake, as all they are really losing out on is something they never had anyway, but at least it sends out a fair warning to the clubs that in the future 100% participation means 100% participation.
Title: revamp of league structure
Post by: goldenyears on October 23, 2008, 04:23:56 PM
whats the view of the posters on site here re revamping the leagues: would b v interested in hearing opinions

idea would be to extend div1 to 16, div2 to 16 and remaining teams in div 3

3 up, 3 down on annual basis, 15 game total league season with extended championship

ie 16 teams in groups of 4, round robin play 3 champ games, then either top 2 in each group into q finals, or winner of each group into semi finals.

i understand concern of clubs losing gate money for league games but this would be offset with share of gate for the champmatches they are involved in.

i think our leagues need some sort of revamp and the play off system has served its purpose.....
Title: Re: revamp of league structure
Post by: Maiden1 on October 23, 2008, 05:07:50 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on October 23, 2008, 04:23:56 PM

i understand concern of clubs losing gate money for league games but this would be offset with share of gate for the champmatches they are involved in.


Is any club worrired about gate receipts?  Seen plenty of games where it costs more to run the showers than they make at the gate.

Is there still going to be playoffs at the end of the season?

Are teams to play matches without there county players?
Title: Re: revamp of league structure
Post by: Blue Island on October 23, 2008, 05:28:38 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on October 23, 2008, 04:23:56 PM
whats the view of the posters on site here re revamping the leagues: would b v interested in hearing opinions

idea would be to extend div1 to 16, div2 to 16 and remaining teams in div 3

3 up, 3 down on annual basis, 15 game total league season with extended championship

ie 16 teams in groups of 4, round robin play 3 champ games, then either top 2 in each group into q finals, or winner of each group into semi finals.

i understand concern of clubs losing gate money for league games but this would be offset with share of gate for the champmatches they are involved in.

i think our leagues need some sort of revamp and the play off system has served its purpose.....

Goldenyears if you look at 4 or 5 pages back in the thread there is along discussion on just this point. The upshot of this discussion is there does not appear to be any concensus among posters, so god help the powers that be in the county board when they look at the issue.

Just to show you how varied the views are, I would prefer a ten team division and whilst I am not a keen supporter of the play off system, I do believe it is required for the good of our county players. However, in a ten team league I would have the bottom three and top three play off, instead of four. By my reckoning, if you were involved in a play off you would play 20 matches a year as opposed to the 24 that we now play (unless of course teams are tied in the playoffs). The advantages as I see it, are we would be unlikely to be playing until November.

I do realise the advantage of your system is that we would play less matches as well, but I do feel that the lack of intensity in a 16 team division would detract from our county teams. Too many matches would be dead rubbers and if you are going to play in the 1st or 2nd divsion it is best for the standard of football in the county if you are forced to fight for that right in a competitive division.

I recall the old ten team divsion in Down that was done away with after Downs success in 94 and I am firmly of the view that we killed the goose that laid the golden egg. I would advocate a return to that intensity, but with three way play offs in place, because I also recall the leagues were a fiasco then without the playoffs when Down was going well.
Title: Re: revamp of league structure
Post by: Blue Island on October 23, 2008, 05:40:01 PM
I forgot to add reply about championship format. Can see merit in your proposals Goldenyears and have to say I have leaned that way also. I am not so sure now as I was reading about Derry's prospects in next years all Ireland in the Irish news recently. It was suggested that in Derry the format was detracting from the County squad as it only fuelled the already bitter intensity that existed. I realise making a better county team is not perhaps the primary consideration, but it is of some importance.

In a perfect world if we could find a position somewhere between our own and Derry's that would suit me.
Title: Re: Development Fund
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on October 23, 2008, 07:18:50 PM
Wobbler, I agree that the money raised was very well spent - no issue with that & a job very well done.

But I question the decision to deprive some clubs of development money which after all isnt coming from the DCB but from Central Council (probably indirectly from rugby & soccer). Some of the 4? clubs may simply have not been in a position moneywise to commit to what the Cty Board were asking at that time  - some clubs exist in difficult surroundings and survival is a constant struggle & it could be argued that it is these clubs which should benefit most from grants of this kind - the big clubs are fit to look after themselves without dipping into funds like these. It seems to me that there wasn't a lot of thought given to this decision other than to mete out some form of sanction to those who didnt pay.

Also anyone know what full participation in the Pairc Esler project actually involved. I know there was a direct debit to be paid (is this still being paid?) but was there some other requirements. I believe this development fund is only going to be available to those who "fully" particiipated.





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 23, 2008, 10:28:36 PM
Regarding the leagues, my own preference would be 10 team divisons, which should ensure a more competitive standard.

I've a "solution" to the starred game problem, the basic tenets are:

- Divisions I-III would be 10 team leagues.
- Division IV would be split into two even sections (about 7 teams each), across abritrary lines drawn up each year (not just plain old east and south), in order to minimise travel times for all teams.
- Each team would play each other home and away (18 games) on 18 Friday nights between mid-April and late August. This time period gives us about 21 weeks. Allowing one week for the Championship round one, and two weeks for the July break, this would be manageable, but to ease possible congestion I'd suggest having a couple of weeks in May/June with 2 fixtures in them (Monday and Friday).
- Starting from the last weekend in August, Championship games and League play-offs would take place on alternate weeks. In the event of Down reaching an AI final, all activity in September would be postponed to October.
- The play-offs would consist of the top 5 teams playing each other for promotion/the title, and the bottom 5 teams playing each other for relegation.
- Play-offs would be on a round-robin basis and the winners/losers would be decided in exactly the same way as the normal league, i.e. by points, then by scoring difference.
- Home advantage in the play-offs would be decided entirely by final normal season placings. So the team finishing top in the normal league would have (all) four home games, the team finishing second would have three home games, etc, the team finishing last would have no home games.
- The order of play-off games would continue as is, with the highest ranking team playing the lowest ranking team in the first game, then working their way up the tree.
- Gate reciepts for play-off games would be split evenly between the competing clubs.  
- In the event of a play-off field being unplayable, the fixture would be reversed.
- Promotion and relegation would remain on a two-up/two-down basis.
- The County teams could withdraw panellists from club action for up to 7 days before an intercounty championship game. Therefore only one fixture series should be affected by each county match.
- For Division IV, the top four teams in each section would enter a new league, playing each other on a round robin basis. Higher ranking teams in the normal league would have home advantage. When two team have the same rank (i.e. 1st in D IV Bann vs 1st in D IV Mourne), a coin toss would decide the venue.
- The bottom 3-4 teams in each Division IV tier would play in a shield tournament to wrap up their season.

The single biggest advantage of this system is that just about every game of the season would matter, and that each team would have to work its bollocks off just to stay alive in their division.

It would also ensure that teams without county players would have the chance to retain/regain their rightful status at the business end of the season with a full team availble.  





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 23, 2008, 10:56:38 PM
10 team divisions like the good old days.  The league actually meant something then.  Burren, Downpatrick, Loughinisland .. where up there with the best in Ulster.  I remember Mayobridge and Downpatrick going for the league title in 1993 where every match was important and 1 slip up could cost you the league.  Now Mayobridge/Kilcoo can play without much intensity all year, when they do play each other it doesn't really matter much who wins.  I don't think it helps the county or the top club teams having this system.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on October 23, 2008, 11:27:34 PM
I would agree with most of what thewobbler has to say, but I dont see why we have to have play-offs to decide who gets relegated and who wins the league. If you want to make every game meaningful then do away with the play-offs. The most consistent team wins the league then, not the team that finishes fourth. Just my 2 cents worth.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 24, 2008, 08:21:38 AM
Downgael - the play-off system allow the leagues to progress throughout the intercounty system without clubs kicksing up a fuss about player availability. The other thing about play-offs is that it keeps interest levels higher towards the tail end of the season, as most clubs have something genuinely worth fighting for until the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 24, 2008, 01:02:05 PM
FAO Wobbler-are you playing on Sunday? ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 24, 2008, 08:18:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 24, 2008, 08:21:38 AM
Downgael - the play-off system allow the leagues to progress throughout the intercounty system without clubs kicksing up a fuss about player availability. The other thing about play-offs is that it keeps interest levels higher towards the tail end of the season, as most clubs have something genuinely worth fighting for until the end.

Have to agree with nearly all you say and particularly like your idea about division four being split into two groups of seven with top teams joining to play for promotion. It seems like nit picking, but I don't think the bottom teams in divsion four would play for shield at the end of the season, but your general idea is sound and one of the best proposals I have heard.

I have read other posters in the past suggesting weaker teams in divsion 4 should play in the reserve leagues and I believe that is totally unacceptable.

The one point I would disagree with, is the top 5 bottom 5 playoffs. I agree with the idea that playoffs in some form are a necessary evil ,but top 5 bottom 5 playoffs could result in the team placed 5 winning the league and the team in 6th being demoted with the team placed 5th in divsion 2 gaining promotion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 25, 2008, 04:27:55 PM
Division 3 promotion play-off result,

Glasdrumman 1:11 - Bredagh 0:04
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 25, 2008, 04:59:45 PM
'bridge won the ACPRL1 today with a six point victory over neighbours clonduff!  thats a premier reserve double for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 25, 2008, 05:12:56 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on October 25, 2008, 04:59:45 PM
'bridge won the ACPRL1 today with a six point victory over neighbours clonduff!  thats a premier reserve double for us.

the trophy cabinet is getting full ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 25, 2008, 05:49:31 PM
What other games were played today? any results from them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 26, 2008, 03:17:12 PM
Just as a matter of interest, are Saul and St Pauls going to play their remaining Division 3 League fixture? From my take on it it is quite a meaningful fixture because as it stands it will decide which club plays in the IFC next year and which club plays in the JFC.
At the moment Saul are in 7th with 21 points and -16 of a goal difference while St Pauls are in 8th with 21 points and a -19 goal difference. As it stands, with this game remaining, Saul are in the IFC position while St Pauls are in the JFC position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 26, 2008, 03:34:32 PM
l'island  0.07
'bridge  2.10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 26, 2008, 03:42:15 PM
Carryduff and Ardglass drew i think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 26, 2008, 03:58:26 PM
Kilclief beat Warrenpoint by 2 points.  Think we've secured a play off place with Tullylish and the RGU the other two teams in it.

We have a stag weekend organised for next week  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on October 26, 2008, 06:17:57 PM
Any word on whether the Banbridge & Shamrocks match was played today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on October 26, 2008, 06:44:11 PM
Quote from: cloneman on October 26, 2008, 06:17:57 PM
Any word on whether the Banbridge & Shamrocks match was played today?
Draw apparently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 26, 2008, 07:18:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2008, 03:17:12 PM
Just as a matter of interest, are Saul and St Pauls going to play their remaining Division 3 League fixture? From my take on it it is quite a meaningful fixture because as it stands it will decide which club plays in the IFC next year and which club plays in the JFC.
At the moment Saul are in 7th with 21 points and -16 of a goal difference while St Pauls are in 8th with 21 points and a -19 goal difference. As it stands, with this game remaining, Saul are in the IFC position while St Pauls are in the JFC position.

Downfanatic is that definately the case? going on previous seasons it has always been the bottom 4 not the bottom 6 in division 3 that played in the junior.  This year Drumgath where supposed to be in the junior as they finished 4th bottom last season but because they had played senior the year before they played in the Intermediate and Glen who finished 5th bottom played junior in there place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 26, 2008, 07:44:44 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 26, 2008, 07:18:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2008, 03:17:12 PM
Just as a matter of interest, are Saul and St Pauls going to play their remaining Division 3 League fixture? From my take on it it is quite a meaningful fixture because as it stands it will decide which club plays in the IFC next year and which club plays in the JFC.
At the moment Saul are in 7th with 21 points and -16 of a goal difference while St Pauls are in 8th with 21 points and a -19 goal difference. As it stands, with this game remaining, Saul are in the IFC position while St Pauls are in the JFC position.

Downfanatic is that definately the case? going on previous seasons it has always been the bottom 4 not the bottom 6 in division 3 that played in the junior.  This year Drumgath where supposed to be in the junior as they finished 4th bottom last season but because they had played senior the year before they played in the Intermediate and Glen who finished 5th bottom played junior in there place.

With St. Johns  who would of being Junior next year winning the JFC, does that not mean a team who would of being intermediate next year will now be playing Junior?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 26, 2008, 07:55:55 PM
Div 3 Promotion Playoff;
> Glassdrumman 1 11 Bredagh 0 04
> ACFL Div 1
> Liatroim 0 08 Castlewellan 3 09
> ACPRL Div 1
> Mayobridge 2 10 Clonduff 0 08
> ACPRL Div 2
> Saval d/f Ballymartin w/o
> Longstone 1 11 Carryduff 1 06
> Sunday 26th Oct
> ACFL Div 1
> Loughinisland 0 07 Mayobridge 2 10
> Kilcoo 1 14 Saval 0 10
> Ballyholland 1 12 Longstone 2 04
> ACFL Div 2
> Clann na Banna 0 08 Shamrocks 0 08
> Kilclief 1 12 Warrenpoint 1 10
> Div 3 Promotion Playoff
> Carryduff 0 10 Ardglass 1 07
> Div 3 relegation Playoff
> St John Bosco 3 05 St Micheals 0 12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 26, 2008, 07:57:21 PM
 Saturday 1st Nov 2 30
> ACFL Div 1
> Mayobridge v Saval
> Loughinisland v Clonduff
> Liatroim v Kilcoo
> Div 2 Promotion Playoff
> Burren
> Clann na Banna v Warrenpoint
> ACFL Div 3
> St Pauls v Saul
> Div 3 Relegation Playoff
> Castlewellan
> St John Bosco v Teconnaught
> Sunday 2nd Nov 2 00
> Div 2 Relegation Playoff
> Kilcoo
> Tullylish v Kilclief
> Div 3 Promotion Playoff
> Daragh Cross
> Bredagh v Carryduff
> Newcastle
> Glasdrumman v Ardglass
> ACHL Div 2 Playoff
> Portaferry
> Warrenpoint v Ballycran
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 26, 2008, 08:51:19 PM
Sunday 26th Oct
Div one Table

P   W   D     L   Pts     SD   Teams
20   18   0     2   36   125   Mayobridge
20   14   1     5   29     88   Kilcoo
22   13   2     7   28     27   Rostrevor
22   12   2     8   26     46   Castlewellan
22   12   1     9   25     16   Burren
20   10   1     9   21   -30   Clonduff
22   10   0   12   20   -20   Longstone
20     7   4     9   18   -27   Loughinisland
21     7   3   11   17   -33   Saval
19     5   2   12   12   -63   Liatroim
22     5   1   16   11   -74   An Riocht
22     3   3   16     9   -55   Ballyholland


Remaining games
Series 18
   Clonduff v Liatroim
   Series 19
   Liatroim v Kilcoo (Sun)
   Series 20
   Liatroim v Mayobridge
   Kilcoo v Loughinisland
   Series 21
   Loughinisland v Clonduff (Sun)
   Series 22
   Mayobridge v Saval (Sun)
   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 26, 2008, 08:53:04 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 26, 2008, 07:44:44 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 26, 2008, 07:18:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2008, 03:17:12 PM
Just as a matter of interest, are Saul and St Pauls going to play their remaining Division 3 League fixture? From my take on it it is quite a meaningful fixture because as it stands it will decide which club plays in the IFC next year and which club plays in the JFC.
At the moment Saul are in 7th with 21 points and -16 of a goal difference while St Pauls are in 8th with 21 points and a -19 goal difference. As it stands, with this game remaining, Saul are in the IFC position while St Pauls are in the JFC position.

Downfanatic is that definately the case? going on previous seasons it has always been the bottom 4 not the bottom 6 in division 3 that played in the junior.  This year Drumgath where supposed to be in the junior as they finished 4th bottom last season but because they had played senior the year before they played in the Intermediate and Glen who finished 5th bottom played junior in there place.

With St. Johns  who would of being Junior next year winning the JFC, does that not mean a team who would of being intermediate next year will now be playing Junior?
You could be right.  It would be the bottom 5 this year as there was an extra team in division 3 this year and St John's winning it may mean another team enters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on October 26, 2008, 09:07:38 PM
Saw a bit on Hogan Stand that St Johns would be staying in Div 4 due to failure to field twice this season. Would seem a bit harsh but is that the rule? If so maybe only two would come down from Div 3, not three as planned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 26, 2008, 11:42:44 PM
Is it true Paddy Tally is the new Down trainer?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on October 27, 2008, 01:11:44 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on October 26, 2008, 09:07:38 PM
Saw a bit on Hogan Stand that St Johns would be staying in Div 4 due to failure to field twice this season. Would seem a bit harsh but is that the rule? If so maybe only two would come down from Div 3, not three as planned.
If that is true, and I dont know if it is  ??? , it should be Dromara that gets promoted instead, as they were the ones that suffered from St. Johns failing to field against Aghaderg.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 27, 2008, 10:04:44 AM
i hear Paddy Tally is the new Down trainer, D Mussen def gone.

Is it true that An Riocht are def down? it seems that way as the Downwebsite as both teams in yellow to signify relegation. But I hear that Liatroim are still playing for points?? I also hear the ludicrous suggestion that Liatroim are to play the Bridge, and getting beaten suits them as it means Bridge have more points which in turn means An Riocht havent hit the 30% mark...

this is crazy if its the case
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on October 27, 2008, 10:29:02 AM
Goldenyears i think they are in yellow to show that they are in relegation playoffs at least at the moment although if Mayobridge win their remaining two games it will mean An Riocht go straight down and as Mayobridge's last two games are against Saval and liatroim, it would seem that is a forgone conclusion, neither of these teams will want to beat the bridge as they will just drag themselves into relegation playoffs if they win!!!
After the wkends league fixtures does that now mean the league playoffs are:

Mayobridge v Castlewellan
Kilcoo         v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 27, 2008, 12:27:44 PM
Wobbler, why were yous afraid to play on the theatre of dreams yesterday???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 27, 2008, 01:18:30 PM
The referee called the game off Tom, not us.

Cattlefield of dreams would be a better description.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 27, 2008, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 26, 2008, 08:53:04 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 26, 2008, 07:44:44 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 26, 2008, 07:18:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2008, 03:17:12 PM
Just as a matter of interest, are Saul and St Pauls going to play their remaining Division 3 League fixture? From my take on it it is quite a meaningful fixture because as it stands it will decide which club plays in the IFC next year and which club plays in the JFC.
At the moment Saul are in 7th with 21 points and -16 of a goal difference while St Pauls are in 8th with 21 points and a -19 goal difference. As it stands, with this game remaining, Saul are in the IFC position while St Pauls are in the JFC position.

Downfanatic is that definately the case? going on previous seasons it has always been the bottom 4 not the bottom 6 in division 3 that played in the junior.  This year Drumgath where supposed to be in the junior as they finished 4th bottom last season but because they had played senior the year before they played in the Intermediate and Glen who finished 5th bottom played junior in there place.

With St. Johns  who would of being Junior next year winning the JFC, does that not mean a team who would of being intermediate next year will now be playing Junior?
You could be right.  It would be the bottom 5 this year as there was an extra team in division 3 this year and St John's winning it may mean another team enters.
St pauls what do you think off this, i mean you's played in the junior this year and along with glenn where the main fancied team would you think you would want to play in intermediate football,or get through the junior and get arun in ulster as silverware lifts teams, i know which one i would go for!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 27, 2008, 04:07:26 PM
The way the Leagues are at the moment, this will be the 2009 Championship lineups.

SFC

Mayobridge
Kilcoo
Rostrevor
Castlewellan
Burren
Clonduff
Longstone
Loughinisland
Saval
Liatroim
An Riocht
Ballyholland
Bryansford
Annaclone (IFC Champions) (Moved up from IFC grade)
Banbridge (Moved up from IFC grade)
Warrenpoint (Moved up from IFC grade)


IFC

Shamrocks
Ballymartin (Moved down from SFC grade)
Darragh Cross
Atticall (Moved down from SFC grade)
Tullylish
Downpatrick (Moved down from SFC grade)
Kilclief
Dundrum
Glasdrumman
Ardglass
Bredagh
Carryduff
Drumgath
Drumaness (Moved up from JFC grade)
Saul
St Johns (JFC Winners) (Moved up from JFC grade)


JFC

St Pauls
Glenn
Teconnaught (Moved down from IFC grade)
Bosco (Moved down from IFC grade)
St Michaels
Mitchels
Aghaderg
Dromara
Bright
Ballykinlar
Aughlisnafin

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 27, 2008, 06:46:47 PM
I can see the headlines already.  The Bridge a Bridge to far for Banbridge!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 27, 2008, 06:49:12 PM
Quote from: western exile on October 27, 2008, 01:11:44 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on October 26, 2008, 09:07:38 PM
Saw a bit on Hogan Stand that St Johns would be staying in Div 4 due to failure to field twice this season. Would seem a bit harsh but is that the rule? If so maybe only two would come down from Div 3, not three as planned.
If that is true, and I dont know if it is  ??? , it should be Dromara that gets promoted instead, as they were the ones that suffered from St. Johns failing to field against Aghaderg.

I did have a look at hoganstand to see what the story was about St Johns failing to field twice this season. It does appear they may have a case to answer. There are no play-off game in division 4 and i do understand the county board wanting to get on with play-off games in the other divisions and thus not bothering with meaningless end of season games. But St Johns games with Aghaderg and The Finn were both scheduled games where they failed to field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on October 27, 2008, 07:35:27 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on October 27, 2008, 06:49:12 PM
Quote from: western exile on October 27, 2008, 01:11:44 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on October 26, 2008, 09:07:38 PM
Saw a bit on Hogan Stand that St Johns would be staying in Div 4 due to failure to field twice this season. Would seem a bit harsh but is that the rule? If so maybe only two would come down from Div 3, not three as planned.
If that is true, and I dont know if it is  ??? , it should be Dromara that gets promoted instead, as they were the ones that suffered from St. Johns failing to field against Aghaderg.

I did have a look at hoganstand to see what the story was about St Johns failing to field twice this season. It does appear they may have a case to answer. There are no play-off game in division 4 and i do understand the county board wanting to get on with play-off games in the other divisions and thus not bothering with meaningless end of season games. But St Johns games with Aghaderg and The Finn were both scheduled games where they failed to field.

Think your tyring to make somthing out of nothing here just because dromara didnt get promoted.  there is more to this story, st johns did appear for game with the finn as originally planned a month or so earlier, as did the ref, but finn said pitch had been closed by council.  ref carried out a pitch inspection on the same night, deemed it playable, then left as the finn were not present, they were on their golf day.  st johns did not fail to appear for next game, they appealed to the co board that they had already appeared for this game and should get the points.  think you are trying to stir things here from a dromara perspective with the hope of dromara getting promoted at the expense of st johns?  dromara have only themselves to blame, losing to a better aghaderg team late in the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 27, 2008, 08:06:28 PM
Quote from: off the laces on October 27, 2008, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 26, 2008, 08:53:04 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 26, 2008, 07:44:44 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 26, 2008, 07:18:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2008, 03:17:12 PM
Just as a matter of interest, are Saul and St Pauls going to play their remaining Division 3 League fixture? From my take on it it is quite a meaningful fixture because as it stands it will decide which club plays in the IFC next year and which club plays in the JFC.
At the moment Saul are in 7th with 21 points and -16 of a goal difference while St Pauls are in 8th with 21 points and a -19 goal difference. As it stands, with this game remaining, Saul are in the IFC position while St Pauls are in the JFC position.

Downfanatic is that definately the case? going on previous seasons it has always been the bottom 4 not the bottom 6 in division 3 that played in the junior.  This year Drumgath where supposed to be in the junior as they finished 4th bottom last season but because they had played senior the year before they played in the Intermediate and Glen who finished 5th bottom played junior in there place.

With St. Johns  who would of being Junior next year winning the JFC, does that not mean a team who would of being intermediate next year will now be playing Junior?
You could be right.  It would be the bottom 5 this year as there was an extra team in division 3 this year and St John's winning it may mean another team enters.
St pauls what do you think off this, i mean you's played in the junior this year and along with glenn where the main fancied team would you think you would want to play in intermediate football,or get through the junior and get arun in ulster as silverware lifts teams, i know which one i would go for!!!!!!!!

OTL, check your pm's!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 27, 2008, 10:34:11 PM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on October 27, 2008, 07:35:27 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on October 27, 2008, 06:49:12 PM
Quote from: western exile on October 27, 2008, 01:11:44 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on October 26, 2008, 09:07:38 PM
Saw a bit on Hogan Stand that St Johns would be staying in Div 4 due to failure to field twice this season. Would seem a bit harsh but is that the rule? If so maybe only two would come down from Div 3, not three as planned.
If that is true, and I dont know if it is  ??? , it should be Dromara that gets promoted instead, as they were the ones that suffered from St. Johns failing to field against Aghaderg.

I did have a look at hoganstand to see what the story was about St Johns failing to field twice this season. It does appear they may have a case to answer. There are no play-off game in division 4 and i do understand the county board wanting to get on with play-off games in the other divisions and thus not bothering with meaningless end of season games. But St Johns games with Aghaderg and The Finn were both scheduled games where they failed to field.

Think your tyring to make somthing out of nothing here just because dromara didnt get promoted.  there is more to this story, st johns did appear for game with the finn as originally planned a month or so earlier, as did the ref, but finn said pitch had been closed by council.  ref carried out a pitch inspection on the same night, deemed it playable, then left as the finn were not present, they were on their golf day.  st johns did not fail to appear for next game, they appealed to the co board that they had already appeared for this game and should get the points.  think you are trying to stir things here from a dromara perspective with the hope of dromara getting promoted at the expense of st johns?  dromara have only themselves to blame, losing to a better aghaderg team late in the season.

I think you are mistaken as i am in no position to stir things from a dromara perspective. I have nothing to do with Dromara. I happen to know the facts. Fact : Council had closed Finn pitch when originally fixed and no ref in the county can over rule the council. Fact : The county broad re-fixed the match and St Johns refused to field. Fact: St Johns applied to county board for the right to play a challenge match on same weekend they were due to play Finn. County board refused as they had a scheduled league fixture.
Why do St John feel the need to claim the point from The Finn?? Why not give some fringe players a game in a game which is meaningless?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 27, 2008, 10:43:35 PM
just curious, but is keeping St Johns in div 4 under consideration or is it all nonsense
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 28, 2008, 07:54:57 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 27, 2008, 10:43:35 PM
just curious, but is keeping St Johns in div 4 under consideration or is it all nonsense

It is yeah. It will be a big blow to them if they aren't promoted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 28, 2008, 08:01:07 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 28, 2008, 07:54:57 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 27, 2008, 10:43:35 PM
just curious, but is keeping St Johns in div 4 under consideration or is it all nonsense

It is yeah. It will be a big blow to them if they aren't promoted.
Is it true the Co Board are wanting to come down that heavy on them? Surely its normally just a fine
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 28, 2008, 09:25:02 AM
Quote from: stpauls on October 27, 2008, 08:06:28 PM
Quote from: off the laces on October 27, 2008, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 26, 2008, 08:53:04 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 26, 2008, 07:44:44 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 26, 2008, 07:18:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2008, 03:17:12 PM
Just as a matter of interest, are Saul and St Pauls going to play their remaining Division 3 League fixture? From my take on it it is quite a meaningful fixture because as it stands it will decide which club plays in the IFC next year and which club plays in the JFC.
At the moment Saul are in 7th with 21 points and -16 of a goal difference while St Pauls are in 8th with 21 points and a -19 goal difference. As it stands, with this game remaining, Saul are in the IFC position while St Pauls are in the JFC position.

Downfanatic is that definately the case? going on previous seasons it has always been the bottom 4 not the bottom 6 in division 3 that played in the junior.  This year Drumgath where supposed to be in the junior as they finished 4th bottom last season but because they had played senior the year before they played in the Intermediate and Glen who finished 5th bottom played junior in there place.

With St. Johns  who would of being Junior next year winning the JFC, does that not mean a team who would of being intermediate next year will now be playing Junior?
You could be right.  It would be the bottom 5 this year as there was an extra team in division 3 this year and St John's winning it may mean another team enters.
St pauls what do you think off this, i mean you's played in the junior this year and along with glenn where the main fancied team would you think you would want to play in intermediate football,or get through the junior and get arun in ulster as silverware lifts teams, i know which one i would go for!!!!!!!!

OTL, check your pm's!!

It's yours to take otl. You didn't field v St Pauls because you were short players, you refused an alternative date so St Pauls should get the points ergo you're in the junior championship. I'm sure the county board was hoping not to have to adjudicate on this fixture but the facts are plain. For St Pauls to enter the junior championship instead of saul next year would be unfair on the other teams and tantamount to cheating imo.



St Pauls I sincerely hope you're not fraternising with the enemy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 28, 2008, 09:30:29 AM
Quote from: passedit on October 28, 2008, 09:25:02 AM
Quote from: stpauls on October 27, 2008, 08:06:28 PM
Quote from: off the laces on October 27, 2008, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 26, 2008, 08:53:04 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 26, 2008, 07:44:44 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 26, 2008, 07:18:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2008, 03:17:12 PM
Just as a matter of interest, are Saul and St Pauls going to play their remaining Division 3 League fixture? From my take on it it is quite a meaningful fixture because as it stands it will decide which club plays in the IFC next year and which club plays in the JFC.
At the moment Saul are in 7th with 21 points and -16 of a goal difference while St Pauls are in 8th with 21 points and a -19 goal difference. As it stands, with this game remaining, Saul are in the IFC position while St Pauls are in the JFC position.

Downfanatic is that definately the case? going on previous seasons it has always been the bottom 4 not the bottom 6 in division 3 that played in the junior.  This year Drumgath where supposed to be in the junior as they finished 4th bottom last season but because they had played senior the year before they played in the Intermediate and Glen who finished 5th bottom played junior in there place.

With St. Johns  who would of being Junior next year winning the JFC, does that not mean a team who would of being intermediate next year will now be playing Junior?
You could be right.  It would be the bottom 5 this year as there was an extra team in division 3 this year and St John's winning it may mean another team enters.
St pauls what do you think off this, i mean you's played in the junior this year and along with glenn where the main fancied team would you think you would want to play in intermediate football,or get through the junior and get arun in ulster as silverware lifts teams, i know which one i would go for!!!!!!!!

OTL, check your pm's!!

It's yours to take otl. You didn't field v St Pauls because you were short players, you refused an alternative date so St Pauls should get the points ergo you're in the junior championship. I'm sure the county board was hoping not to have to adjudicate on this fixture but the facts are plain. For St Pauls to enter the junior championship instead of saul next year would be unfair on the other teams and tantamount to cheating imo.



St Pauls I sincerely hope you're not fraternising with the enemy.
i am not going to rise to you edit, we have a great relationship with St Pauls and both teams will work together to sort this out one way or another.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 28, 2008, 09:36:56 AM
Forgot the smiley ~OTL.

IMO although ye pulled a flanker on the original fixture, now that championship status depends on the outcome, I believe it should be settled on the field of play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 28, 2008, 09:46:19 AM
Quote from: passedit on October 28, 2008, 09:36:56 AM
Forgot the smiley ~OTL.

IMO although ye pulled a flanker on the original fixture, now that championship status depends on the outcome, I believe it should be settled on the field of play.
And i also believe that but playing league football in November is just not on :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 28, 2008, 09:57:41 AM
Quote from: off the laces on October 28, 2008, 09:46:19 AM
Quote from: passedit on October 28, 2008, 09:36:56 AM
Forgot the smiley ~OTL.

IMO although ye pulled a flanker on the original fixture, now that championship status depends on the outcome, I believe it should be settled on the field of play.
And i also believe that but playing league football in November is just not on :o

All the playoffs are just starting and MacNamee park is always playable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 28, 2008, 11:00:48 AM
  Passedit, keep your eye on the bastards.

  I remember as an U-12 them hiding behind the wall at their "pitch" at Lough Money.  I don't know if they hid because they were so ashamed of the Derby County strip they were wearing or they were just afraid to play us.   ;D

  They tried to claim the points for that one aswell.  Sly hewers.  Good to see them setting their sights as high as ever  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on October 28, 2008, 11:08:20 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 27, 2008, 10:43:35 PM
just curious, but is keeping St Johns in div 4 under consideration or is it all nonsense
I think this is all a load of SH one T. I can't believe that St Johns would have put themselves in this position after a really successful year – they have too many smart men (& women!) on the Committee to allow this to happen. But, in any case, still not sure what the rule is on two failures to field  but would doubt if it would incur such a heavy penalty (especially if St Johns could provide good reasons). Bit surprised though, that for the history books, they gave up the opportunity to complete the Leaque & Down junior championship unbeaten.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 28, 2008, 11:49:14 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 28, 2008, 11:00:48 AM
  Passedit, keep your eye on the b**tards.

  I remember as an U-12 them hiding behind the wall at their "pitch" at Lough Money.  I don't know if they hid because they were so ashamed of the Derby County strip they were wearing or they were just afraid to play us.   ;D

  They tried to claim the points for that one aswell.  Sly hewers.  Good to see them setting their sights as high as ever  ::)
u where just upset No1 as we had no dugouts those days for you to hide in ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 28, 2008, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 26, 2008, 03:58:26 PM
Kilclief beat Warrenpoint by 2 points.  Think we've secured a play off place with Tullylish and the RGU the other two teams in it.

We have a stag weekend organised for next week  :o
Well have you managed to get the game called off Has someones dog died down by the shore or down the links  ::) :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 28, 2008, 12:15:09 PM
Nah, we are just sending out the seconds like we did last time we were in relegation play offs.

How many did we beat yiz by at the RGU that day?   :D

Dugouts??  FFS, yiz barely had goalposts!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 28, 2008, 12:39:05 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 28, 2008, 12:15:09 PM
Nah, we are just sending out the seconds like we did last time we were in relegation play offs.

How many did we beat yiz by at the RGU that day?   :D

Dugouts??  FFS, yiz barely had goalposts!
To be honest youse beat us well that day, but if we had of stayed up we would have ended up like Dundrum bt nearly every match sure what would have been the point in that!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 28, 2008, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: off the laces on October 28, 2008, 09:46:19 AM
Quote from: passedit on October 28, 2008, 09:36:56 AM
Forgot the smiley ~OTL.

IMO although ye pulled a flanker on the original fixture, now that championship status depends on the outcome, I believe it should be settled on the field of play.
And i also believe that but playing league football in November is just not on :o
So laces how do you propose its settled then?toss a coin?Plenty of other teams hav their futures decided at this time of year and they dont complain.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 28, 2008, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: passedit on October 28, 2008, 09:25:02 AM
Quote from: stpauls on October 27, 2008, 08:06:28 PM
Quote from: off the laces on October 27, 2008, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 26, 2008, 08:53:04 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 26, 2008, 07:44:44 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 26, 2008, 07:18:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2008, 03:17:12 PM
Just as a matter of interest, are Saul and St Pauls going to play their remaining Division 3 League fixture? From my take on it it is quite a meaningful fixture because as it stands it will decide which club plays in the IFC next year and which club plays in the JFC.
At the moment Saul are in 7th with 21 points and -16 of a goal difference while St Pauls are in 8th with 21 points and a -19 goal difference. As it stands, with this game remaining, Saul are in the IFC position while St Pauls are in the JFC position.

Downfanatic is that definately the case? going on previous seasons it has always been the bottom 4 not the bottom 6 in division 3 that played in the junior.  This year Drumgath where supposed to be in the junior as they finished 4th bottom last season but because they had played senior the year before they played in the Intermediate and Glen who finished 5th bottom played junior in there place.

With St. Johns  who would of being Junior next year winning the JFC, does that not mean a team who would of being intermediate next year will now be playing Junior?
You could be right.  It would be the bottom 5 this year as there was an extra team in division 3 this year and St John's winning it may mean another team enters.
St pauls what do you think off this, i mean you's played in the junior this year and along with glenn where the main fancied team would you think you would want to play in intermediate football,or get through the junior and get arun in ulster as silverware lifts teams, i know which one i would go for!!!!!!!!

OTL, check your pm's!!

It's yours to take otl. You didn't field v St Pauls because you were short players, you refused an alternative date so St Pauls should get the points ergo you're in the junior championship. I'm sure the county board was hoping not to have to adjudicate on this fixture but the facts are plain. For St Pauls to enter the junior championship instead of saul next year would be unfair on the other teams and tantamount to cheating imo.



St Pauls I sincerely hope you're not fraternising with the enemy.

not fraternising, just giving my honest opinion. not sure if we could compete in the Intermediate Championship IMHO, so us finishing in the position to put us in the Junior may be the best scenario.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 28, 2008, 01:10:43 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on October 28, 2008, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: off the laces on October 28, 2008, 09:46:19 AM
Quote from: passedit on October 28, 2008, 09:36:56 AM
Forgot the smiley ~OTL.

IMO although ye pulled a flanker on the original fixture,Look back a few pages we turned up for the refixtured game to find no st pauls or ref now that championship status depends on the outcome, I believe it should be settled on the field of play.
And i also believe that but playing league football in November is just not on :o
So laces how do you propose its settled then?toss a coin?Plenty of other teams hav their futures decided at this time of year and they dont complain.
the only way it should be settled play the match....banter we have been playing football at this time off year this past 6yrs in different playoffs and i just know it was good to be told thats us finished for the year last week, remember we started before the rest off the leagues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 28, 2008, 01:40:45 PM
QuoteLook back a few pages we turned up for the refixtured game to find no st pauls or ref

Like i said, a flanker, ye were told there was no game and tried to pull a fast one having already turned down two dates for the fixture including one when you managed to field a reserve side at the same venue.

But like I said, now that championship status depends on the outcome, this should be settled on the pitch. Any deal/arrangement/nod or wink which settles this anywhere else will reflect very poorly on both clubs imo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 28, 2008, 01:59:50 PM
Quote from: passedit on October 28, 2008, 01:40:45 PM
QuoteLook back a few pages we turned up for the refixtured game to find no st pauls or ref

Like i said, a flanker, ye were told there was no game and tried to pull a fast one having already turned down two dates for the fixture including one when you managed to field a reserve side at the same venue.

But like I said, now that championship status depends on the outcome, this should be settled on the pitch. Any deal/arrangement/nod or wink which settles this anywhere else will reflect very poorly on both clubs imo
Your opinion and your entitled to it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 28, 2008, 02:05:43 PM
Hows Sauls prospects looking for next year?chances are youll be playin either Kilclief or Downpatrick again,more than likely be Downpatrick by the looks of things.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 28, 2008, 02:14:51 PM
would like to say we are going great, but with this credit crunch who knows where any off us will be next year, boys will likely have to travel to get work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on October 28, 2008, 03:18:02 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on October 28, 2008, 02:05:43 PM
Hows Sauls prospects looking for next year?chances are youll be playin either Kilclief or Downpatrick again,more than likely be Downpatrick by the looks of things.
Must agree. Heard they only had 7 at training last night. They seem to have given up as lost cause
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 28, 2008, 04:30:35 PM
  Don't think so lads. 

  Tullylish have already beaten us well twice this year. 

  Downpatrick are the county town with the biggest pick outside of Newry, a superstar county player, best facilities in the county, fantastic underage set up, superb manager and they can afford to fly boys home from anywhere in the world for games.  No way could they end up in Div 3.

I'd say we are well f*cked.............
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 28, 2008, 04:51:35 PM
plus you boys have drinking to do ::) ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on October 28, 2008, 08:42:46 PM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on October 27, 2008, 07:35:27 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on October 27, 2008, 06:49:12 PM
Quote from: western exile on October 27, 2008, 01:11:44 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on October 26, 2008, 09:07:38 PM
Saw a bit on Hogan Stand that St Johns would be staying in Div 4 due to failure to field twice this season. Would seem a bit harsh but is that the rule? If so maybe only two would come down from Div 3, not three as planned.
If that is true, and I dont know if it is  ??? , it should be Dromara that gets promoted instead, as they were the ones that suffered from St. Johns failing to field against Aghaderg.

I did have a look at hoganstand to see what the story was about St Johns failing to field twice this season. It does appear they may have a case to answer. There are no play-off game in division 4 and i do understand the county board wanting to get on with play-off games in the other divisions and thus not bothering with meaningless end of season games. But St Johns games with Aghaderg and The Finn were both scheduled games where they failed to field.

Think your tyring to make somthing out of nothing here just because dromara didnt get promoted.  there is more to this story, st johns did appear for game with the finn as originally planned a month or so earlier, as did the ref, but finn said pitch had been closed by council.  ref carried out a pitch inspection on the same night, deemed it playable, then left as the finn were not present, they were on their golf day.  st johns did not fail to appear for next game, they appealed to the co board that they had already appeared for this game and should get the points.  think you are trying to stir things here from a dromara perspective with the hope of dromara getting promoted at the expense of st johns?  dromara have only themselves to blame, losing to a better aghaderg team late in the season.
I also think you are mistaken 99  :)
No one is trying to stir at all. The facts speak for themselves. Dromara achieved more game points on the pitch throughout the season than Aghaderg did. Aghaderg pipped them to the promotion spot by 1 point because St. Johns gave them 2 free points by not bothering to field.  Their non fielding against The Finn may not have had an impact on any league position, but their failure to field against Aghaderg decided who got promoted.

I don't know if there is any precedent for sanctions in a case like this. But St. Johns certainly have a case to answer.  The leagues are meant to be a fair competition. We cannot have one club dictating who gets promoted with them  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on October 28, 2008, 09:12:05 PM
Quote from: amallon on October 27, 2008, 06:46:47 PM
I can see the headlines already.  The Bridge a Bridge to far for Banbridge!

What about 'The bridge a bridge too far for Mayobridge' ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 28, 2008, 11:35:49 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 28, 2008, 04:30:35 PM
  Don't think so lads. 

  Tullylish have already beaten us well twice this year. 

  Downpatrick are the county town with the biggest pick outside of Newry, a superstar county player, best facilities in the county, fantastic underage set up, superb manager and they can afford to fly boys home from anywhere in the world for games.  No way could they end up in Div 3.

I'd say we are well f*cked.............

Bet that is the official line you are all coming out with. Would not believe it for a moment. In the past, teams that have been resigned to the relegation play offs for a while often do better than those that fall into the relegation zone late in the season. The latter struggle to get the motivation needed to extricate themselves from the mire. Prime example is Bryansford last year.

As for Downpatrick, they won't fancy this at all. Hard to believe they are in this position with their pedigree, although in the eighties they suffered a similar slump only to come back in spectacular style in the early nineties. Though, at the moment there does not appear to the underage teams there to give them much hope for the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on October 29, 2008, 12:11:06 AM
Quote from: off the laces on October 28, 2008, 02:14:51 PM
would like to say we are going great, but with this credit crunch who knows where any off us will be next year, boys will likely have to travel to get work.

Imo I think Off the Laces has hit the hammer on the head here! With construction work here drying up (we're all not all Cavanagh accountants) I think the rural clubs are really going to strugglle over the next couple of seasons. Prepare to see some amalgamations - the credit crunch will affect everyone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on October 29, 2008, 09:06:03 AM
Does anyone know are there any PRFL games this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on October 29, 2008, 09:48:14 AM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on October 29, 2008, 09:06:03 AM
Does anyone know are there any PRFL games this weekend?

ring the grew he'll tell ye
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on October 29, 2008, 01:35:05 PM
Ulster championship fixtures for this weekend from ulster council website:

Ulster Club Intermediate Football Championship
Annaclone (Down)  Mac Cumhaills (Donegal)  Pairc Esler Newry Down 02/11/2008 14:30 Martin Higgins Q-Final

Ulster Club Junior Football Championship
St Johns (Down)  Coa (Fermanagh)  Pairc Esler Newry Down 31/10/2008 20:00 Gregory Walsh Q-Final

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 29, 2008, 03:28:54 PM
hard to pick up exactly what has gone on between St pauls and saul. Did their original fixture not take place due to failure to field by either team or was it due to inclement weather?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on October 29, 2008, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: western exile on October 28, 2008, 08:42:46 PM
I also think you are mistaken 99  :)
No one is trying to stir at all. The facts speak for themselves. Dromara achieved more game points on the pitch throughout the season than Aghaderg did. Aghaderg pipped them to the promotion spot by 1 point because St. Johns gave them 2 free points by not bothering to field.  Their non fielding against The Finn may not have had an impact on any league position, but their failure to field against Aghaderg decided who got promoted.

I don't know if there is any precedent for sanctions in a case like this. But St. Johns certainly have a case to answer.  The leagues are meant to be a fair competition. We cannot have one club dictating who gets promoted with them  ;D
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I think you've got a little mixed up Western Exile. I believe Aghaderg finished two points ahead of Dromara. Had the Johnnies fulfilled the fixture you're harping on about & beaten Aghaderg, then Aghaderg & Dromara would have finished level. But with a superior points difference, Aghaderg would have went up in any case. So Aghaderg went up on their own merits and not because the Johnnies had a wedding in the parish to which all your "no good Johnnies" were invited.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 29, 2008, 08:10:07 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 29, 2008, 03:28:54 PM
hard to pick up exactly what has gone on between St pauls and saul. Did their original fixture not take place due to failure to field by either team or was it due to inclement weather?

the first time it was to take place, Saul could not field on the Friday night due to an apparent mix up in the fixtures, so they asked us to move the game. we offered them the following sunday evening, but they said it didn't suit, even though they could field a reserve team.

the second time it was fixed for the monday night after our championship game with Mitchells, which the county board then postponed. Saul then turned up at our pitch on the monday evening, and claimed they had never been told of the change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on October 29, 2008, 08:22:42 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on October 29, 2008, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: western exile on October 28, 2008, 08:42:46 PM
I also think you are mistaken 99  :)
No one is trying to stir at all. The facts speak for themselves. Dromara achieved more game points on the pitch throughout the season than Aghaderg did. Aghaderg pipped them to the promotion spot by 1 point because St. Johns gave them 2 free points by not bothering to field.  Their non fielding against The Finn may not have had an impact on any league position, but their failure to field against Aghaderg decided who got promoted.

I don't know if there is any precedent for sanctions in a case like this. But St. Johns certainly have a case to answer.  The leagues are meant to be a fair competition. We cannot have one club dictating who gets promoted with them  ;D

I think you've got a little mixed up Western Exile. I believe Aghaderg finished two points ahead of Dromara. Had the Johnnies fulfilled the fixture you're harping on about & beaten Aghaderg, then Aghaderg & Dromara would have finished level. But with a superior points difference, Aghaderg would have went up in any case. So Aghaderg went up on their own merits and not because the Johnnies had a wedding in the parish to which all your "no good Johnnies" were invited.

That is a big stretch of the imagination!!  Check the Down gaa website http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/leaguetables/full_allcounty_leaguetables.htm (http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/leaguetables/full_allcounty_leaguetables.htm) .   Had St. Johns fulfilled their fixture with Aghaderg, and beaten them by 10 points like they did to every other team this year, Dromara would have finished ahead of Agahderg. No matter what way you look at it, St. Johns had a  hand in deciding who got promoted.

Your language was negative, so I would like to make one thing clear here... We all congratulate St. Johns on being worthy Junior Champions this year, and wish them the best in the Ulster Championship. And everyone who commented on this issue has not said otherwise.   However, the club does have a case to answer to for their failure to field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on October 29, 2008, 09:17:48 PM
Quote from: interested on October 29, 2008, 08:24:57 PM
Getting very boring all this  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

i agree!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on October 29, 2008, 10:33:55 PM
Quote from: western exile on October 29, 2008, 08:22:42 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on October 29, 2008, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: western exile on October 28, 2008, 08:42:46 PM
I also think you are mistaken 99  :)
No one is trying to stir at all. The facts speak for themselves. Dromara achieved more game points on the pitch throughout the season than Aghaderg did. Aghaderg pipped them to the promotion spot by 1 point because St. Johns gave them 2 free points by not bothering to field.  Their non fielding against The Finn may not have had an impact on any league position, but their failure to field against Aghaderg decided who got promoted.

I don't know if there is any precedent for sanctions in a case like this. But St. Johns certainly have a case to answer.  The leagues are meant to be a fair competition. We cannot have one club dictating who gets promoted with them  ;D

I think you've got a little mixed up Western Exile. I believe Aghaderg finished two points ahead of Dromara. Had the Johnnies fulfilled the fixture you're harping on about & beaten Aghaderg, then Aghaderg & Dromara would have finished level. But with a superior points difference, Aghaderg would have went up in any case. So Aghaderg went up on their own merits and not because the Johnnies had a wedding in the parish to which all your "no good Johnnies" were invited.

That is a big stretch of the imagination!!  Check the Down gaa website http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/leaguetables/full_allcounty_leaguetables.htm (http://www.downgaa.net/downgaa/leaguetables/full_allcounty_leaguetables.htm) .   Had St. Johns fulfilled their fixture with Aghaderg, and beaten them by 10 points like they did to every other team this year, Dromara would have finished ahead of Agahderg. No matter what way you look at it, St. Johns had a  hand in deciding who got promoted.

Your language was negative, so I would like to make one thing clear here... We all congratulate St. Johns on being worthy Junior Champions this year, and wish them the best in the Ulster Championship. And everyone who commented on this issue has not said otherwise.   However, the club does have a case to answer to for their failure to field.
Western Exile, while those two boring ****ers (I mean posters!!!) are tucked up in bed :), I would point out that with an under-strength or wedding fatigued side, Aghaderg would probably have won the fixture!!! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on October 29, 2008, 11:00:05 PM
 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.DLL,I liked you better in your previous username!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leg End on October 30, 2008, 01:25:44 AM
so theres a conflict of interest with saul and st pauls in div 3

is this similar in div 1 with relegation playoffs wit saval the bridge and an riocht. a bit farcical if it is were losing would suit a team better than winning
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on October 30, 2008, 09:32:23 AM
Quote from: Leg End on October 30, 2008, 01:25:44 AM
so theres a conflict of interest with saul and st pauls in div 3

is this similar in div 1 with relegation playoffs wit saval the bridge and an riocht. a bit farcical if it is were losing would suit a team better than winning

Liatroim have 3 games left and have reached the 30% of the bridge's total, as have Saval, both of whom occupy the relegation places. It just so happens that the Bridges last two games are against Saval and Liatroim! You can't blame Liatroim and Saval for this farcical situation, as both are playing to the rules set by the County Board. It's of no fault of Saval and Liatroim's that An Ríocht and Ballyholland didn't reach the quota of points, and to be honest it would in both Liatroim and Saval's best interests that Mayobridge won both their remaining games!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5iveTimes on October 30, 2008, 03:41:59 PM
01.02.2009 (Sun)
Allianz GAA Football National League
Round 1
2.30pm    Tiobraid Árann    v    An Dún

14.02.2009 (Sat)
Allianz GAA Football National League
Round 2
7.30pm    An Dún      v    An Lú

07.03.2009 (Sat)
Allianz GAA Football National League
Round 3
7.30pm   An Dún       v    An Cabhán

15.03.2009 (Sun)
Allianz GAA Football National League
Round 4
2.30pm   Longfort       v    An Dún

22.03.2009 (Sun)
Allianz GAA Football National League
Round 5
2.30pm   Luimneach       v    An Dún

28.03.2009 (Sat)
Allianz GAA Football National League
Round 6
7.30pm   An Dún       v    Uíbh Fhailí

12.04.2009 (Sun)
Allianz GAA Football National League
Round 7
2.30pm   Ros Comáin      v    An Dún

3 home games under lights on Saturday evenings and 4 away games in Tipperary, Longford, Limerick and Roscommon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 30, 2008, 03:46:06 PM
Where do Tipp play their home football games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 30, 2008, 03:52:28 PM
Absolutely mouth watering the thought of some of those games!! Jaysus, and we wonder why we dont do so well in championship football, if we cant qualify out of this league then the future is very bleek.  Not one quality side there, you can polish it up and paper over them as much as you like but have to say it looks like its going to be pure crap again this season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5iveTimes on October 30, 2008, 03:55:05 PM
Quote from: Leo on October 30, 2008, 03:46:06 PM
Where do Tipp play their home football games?

I would presume Thurles.

Seems I am wrong, apparently its Ardfinnan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on October 30, 2008, 04:12:39 PM
Down HAVE TO qualify out of that league!!

You can possibly say, and that is a very slight possibly, that they came up against an improved Wexford and Fermanagh sides last year, but looking at some of the dead wood in that league, Down have to be favourites to qualify, and qualify as winners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 31, 2008, 09:31:14 PM
Any word on how St Johns did tonight?

Also, good luck to Annaclone on Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: milltown row on October 31, 2008, 10:38:00 PM
Manager texted me tonight. St Johns win. good stuff. they may go all the way
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on October 31, 2008, 10:48:02 PM
Full Time

St Johns 2 - 13

Coa 2 - 7

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 31, 2008, 10:50:16 PM
If my memory serves me right St Johns' victory is only the second any Down club has had in the Ulster JFC in the past 5 years. The only other year I remember a Down team winning was Bredagh winning their Quarter Final game in 2006.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: milltown row on October 31, 2008, 10:57:13 PM
Good win and they have trained hard all year, just deserts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on October 31, 2008, 11:13:49 PM
St Johns were winning 2-10 to 0-3 at one stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 01, 2008, 12:28:18 AM
I think Down Fanatic is right about our dreadful record in the Ulster JFC, while wins by Down clubs in the IFC are equally rare. In the SFC, Mayobridge beat Glenties in the first round of 2005 and have not had a victory since.

It has been over 20 years since our last Ulster senior club title, while we have made no impact since the introduction of the intermediate and junior grades either.  The hard evidence is that club football standards in Down are among the worst in the province.

It's been raised before, but people who come into Down from other counties to either play or manage usually reckon that frees are given far too easily here. No one wants to see injuries take place, but we have to be able to cope with tight marking and legitimate physical challenges.

All this filters through to our county sides as well. It is not a question of players lacking commitment, but many of them expect frees in circumstances in which they will simply not be given outside our own county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 01, 2008, 04:35:16 PM
Teconnaught and Bosco drew 0-10 apeice in Castlewellan today in a Division 3 relegation playoff. That leaves Bosco on 3 points, Teconnaught on 1 and St Michaels on 0. Effectively, Teconnaught v St Michaels next week is a pointless game for the Magheralin men. Win, Lose or draw they are down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDunYeGo on November 01, 2008, 07:06:23 PM
Downfanatic surely if st michaels beat teconnaught then they'll have 2 points and and teconnaught will have 1, therefore teconnaught would go down??? since mitchels are automatically relegated.
or is there 3 teams goin down this year cause of the drumgath thing last year??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 01, 2008, 07:13:39 PM
Quote from: AnDunYeGo on November 01, 2008, 07:06:23 PM
Downfanatic surely if st michaels beat teconnaught then they'll have 2 points and and teconnaught will have 1, therefore teconnaught would go down??? since mitchels are automatically relegated.
or is there 3 teams goin down this year cause of the drumgath thing last year??
Correct AnDunYeGo, three face the drop
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 01, 2008, 09:43:03 PM
Any result from the Down minor hurling B final today ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristotle Flynn on November 01, 2008, 09:44:43 PM
I'm sure 3 go down. Mitchel's are gone. Teconnaght & Kilwarlin will follow them. Bosco have all to play for & should be safe.

Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 01, 2008, 09:43:03 PM
Any result from the Down minor hurling B final today ?

Heard Liatroim beat Bredagh by 2 pts in a rough game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 02, 2008, 04:04:12 PM
Division 3 Promotion Play-off at Darragh Cross
Carryduff 1-8 Bredagh 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 02, 2008, 04:20:08 PM
Carryduff had John Lavery, the former county player, sent off after two minutes, but were the more composed side when the pressure was on. Their keeper, Declan Alder, came up to put over a 45 in the closing stages, and the Down management could do worse than have a look at him.

Glasdrumman beat Ardglass by about nine points, and so are defininitely promoted but not yet as champions. If they beat Carryduff next week, and Ardglass beat Bredagh, who have nothing to play for, Carrryduff and Ardgass will be level on three points each and another play-off will be required.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 02, 2008, 04:33:35 PM
Annaclone (Down) beat MacCumhaills (Donegal by 2 in the Ulster IFC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on November 03, 2008, 01:16:19 AM
Quote from: Aristotle Flynn on November 01, 2008, 09:44:43 PM
I'm sure 3 go down. Mitchel's are gone. Teconnaght & Kilwarlin will follow them. Bosco have all to play for & should be safe.

Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 01, 2008, 09:43:03 PM
Any result from the Down minor hurling B final today ?

Heard Liatroim beat Bredagh by 2 pts in a rough game.

liatroim manager is said to have punched and bust the nose of a bredagh player
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on November 03, 2008, 12:35:08 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on November 03, 2008, 01:16:19 AM
Quote from: Aristotle Flynn on November 01, 2008, 09:44:43 PM
I'm sure 3 go down. Mitchel's are gone. Teconnaght & Kilwarlin will follow them. Bosco have all to play for & should be safe.

Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 01, 2008, 09:43:03 PM
Any result from the Down minor hurling B final today ?

Heard Liatroim beat Bredagh by 2 pts in a rough game.

liatroim manager is said to have punched and bust the nose of a bredagh player

Okay, let me start by saying that i in no way begrudge the minor hurlers from liatroim their victory on saturday.  They were by far the better team.  However, that being said the tactics they employed and their petulent, nasty and dangerous behaviour was an absolute disgrace.  The bredagh team were no angels, as no team ever is, but the consistent pulling, both early and late was an obvious tactic to intimidate and hurt the more prominent bredagh players.  Their first reaction when even remotely challenged was to fight straight away.  This beahviour is clearly condoned by the management, one of which was sent out of the pitch within the 1st 5mins.  He came 20yards onto the pitch to talk to one of his players, our number 5 followed his man as he is well entitled to, only to be pushed and punched by the manager.  What sort of man would do sucha thing, hitting a minor trying to play the game.  The manager then cam over to the fence where he swung a punch at one of our supporters, tried to climb over the fence to start a row and then offered him a fight in the car park.  This man is meant to be setting an example to the younb kids he is in charge of.  Am i wrong? is this type of behaviour acceptible? this fella should never be anywere near any team, never mind youth teams.

Moving onto the officials.  I would never criticise officials normally but i cant not. The linesman on the bredagh side in the 1st half was walking the line looking at his fone and texting while the match was in progress.  To me this is disgusting.  For an official to give these players, from both teams such little respect for their final is something i feel the county board should address.  The reason the game was so bad tempered was largely due to the fact the referee was incompetent.  He was physically incapable of keeping up with the play, giving decisions through guess work more than anything else because he was so far away.

Anyway rant over, feel a bit better. ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on November 03, 2008, 12:54:29 PM
Lads promotion playy-offs. What way does it work? I thought it was two semis and a final , does everyone play each other?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ballybredagh on November 03, 2008, 01:25:58 PM
Echo the views of my Bredgagh colleague about the Minor B final; we were beaten by a more hungry Laotroim team, but some of the actions of their players (and one official) were deplorable. Two of our youngest (U15) players had to be replaced after unprovoked attacks; our goalkeeper got charged into the net in the first half and our subsitiute corner-forward who got blasted on  the head in the second half.  Also, our right-half back was struck with a hurl (and got a split nose) by one of the Laotroim officials, who was subsequently ordered from the field.

That said, Laotroim had done their homework on us and deserved their win. Granted, some of their players bullied and intimidated, but they went home with the cup that's the bottom line. We probably just need to take stock and learn from their win at all cost mentality.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on November 03, 2008, 02:43:54 PM
Quote from: corn02 on November 03, 2008, 12:54:29 PM
Lads promotion playy-offs. What way does it work? I thought it was two semis and a final , does everyone play each other?

corn - in Div 1 for the title its 2 semis and then a final. For all the other playoffs (promotion and relegation) its a round-robin mini-league on neutral-grounds.

On that topic, its been very quiet on the Div 1 games from the weekend - what happened? Also Kilclief/Tullylish in Div 2, who came out on on top in that one?

In Div 3 it looks like Glassdrumman v Carryduff for the title with a Carryduff defeat giving Ardglass a chance of forcing another playoff for the 2nd promotion spot. At the other end St Michaels have joined Mitchels in Div 4 with Teconnaught joining them unless they win over St Michaels this weekend - if they do win, its another head to head between Bosco and Teconnaught for the winner stays up prize.

BTW Well done to Annaclone and St Johns in Ulster  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 03, 2008, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: Statto-Gael on November 03, 2008, 02:43:54 PM
Quote from: corn02 on November 03, 2008, 12:54:29 PM
Lads promotion playy-offs. What way does it work? I thought it was two semis and a final , does everyone play each other?

corn - in Div 1 for the title its 2 semis and then a final. For all the other playoffs (promotion and relegation) its a round-robin mini-league on neutral-grounds.

On that topic, its been very quiet on the Div 1 games from the weekend - what happened? Also Kilclief/Tullylish in Div 2, who came out on on top in that one?

In Div 3 it looks like Glassdrumman v Carryduff for the title with a Carryduff defeat giving Ardglass a chance of forcing another playoff for the 2nd promotion spot. At the other end St Michaels have joined Mitchels in Div 4 with Teconnaught joining them unless they win over St Michaels this weekend - if they do win, its another head to head between Bosco and Teconnaught for the winner stays up prize.

BTW Well done to Annaclone and St Johns in Ulster  :)


I'm surprised No1* hasn't been on with the 'good news' Kilclief won this one handy. Maybe No 1 is still on the stag weekend  ::)

* AKA Kilclief Minister For Information  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 03, 2008, 03:31:26 PM
Thought I'd let someone else report back on that one passedit  :D.

For the first time in living memory all of our lads put football before the beer and it worked out well for us.  A comprehensive victory.  Who was the Tullylish linesman on the changing room side of the pitch?  The man's blood pressure must be shocking, he should stay away from the football for the good of his health!!

Can't believe I am gonna write this........

Mon the hoops!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 03, 2008, 03:33:46 PM
Id put my house on Tullylish joining us in Division 3 next year. The Hoops will pull a load of boys out of the woodwork for this one. How much did you's beat them by No.1?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 03, 2008, 03:39:17 PM
8 points in it at the finish up.  We only pulled away in the last 15 though.  Big Rosie was superb.  Tullylish tired very badly, they have a big job to lift themselves now.  I hear all the RGU soccer heads are back for next week.  One off special appearances!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 03, 2008, 03:45:13 PM
I see Warrenpoint beat Banbridge in the Division 2 Promotion Playoffs as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 03, 2008, 03:52:46 PM
Quote from: No1 on November 03, 2008, 03:31:26 PM
Thought I'd let someone else report back on that one passedit  :D.

For the first time in living memory all of our lads put football before the beer and it worked out well for us.  A comprehensive victory.  Who was the Tullylish linesman on the changing room side of the pitch?  The man's blood pressure must be shocking, he should stay away from the football for the good of his health!!

Can't believe I am gonna write this........

Mon the hoops!

Didn't make it down as my youngfella was playing in Holywood (got a text of the score). I have a prime suspect though, he wasn't a greying/ginger lad with glasses by any chance?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on November 03, 2008, 04:29:59 PM
warrenpoint won by ten good start to playoffs!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 03, 2008, 04:59:13 PM
Tullylish can still do it,sure who the hell is RGU soccer superstars?one or two names but certainly no super stars at the Gaelic.RGU havent won a match in ages and they'll find that difficult to overcome,i bet you there will be no soccer men training for them this week because the soccer team have a mid-week cup match.

Was at the Bredagh & Carryduff game yesterday,not a bad game,although fair play to C'duff who won with 14 men after John Lav was sent off.You would have thought Carryduff had the spare man though.Bredagh were poor espeically up front except for number 15 who was decent,and they will be in big trouble when Jody Gormley retires as he is the only man who can take the ball outta defence and link it with the forwards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on November 03, 2008, 06:18:08 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on November 03, 2008, 04:59:13 PM

Was at the Bredagh & Carryduff game yesterday,not a bad game,although fair play to C'duff who won with 14 men after John Lav was sent off.You would have thought Carryduff had the spare man though.Bredagh were poor espeically up front except for number 15 who was decent,and they will be in big trouble when Jody Gormley retires as he is the only man who can take the ball outta defence and link it with the forwards.

not neccessarily, when some of the older legs retire it will give many very talented u21s a chance to play and this will boost the team greatly. a lot of them should have been playing yesterday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 03, 2008, 07:00:07 PM
I'd say Jody Gormley had the best Bredagh team on the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on November 03, 2008, 07:03:57 PM
Quote from: Statto-Gael on November 03, 2008, 02:43:54 PM
Quote from: corn02 on November 03, 2008, 12:54:29 PM
Lads promotion playy-offs. What way does it work? I thought it was two semis and a final , does everyone play each other?

corn - in Div 1 for the title its 2 semis and then a final. For all the other playoffs (promotion and relegation) its a round-robin mini-league on neutral-grounds.

On that topic, its been very quiet on the Div 1 games from the weekend - what happened? Also Kilclief/Tullylish in Div 2, who came out on on top in that one?

In Div 3 it looks like Glassdrumman v Carryduff for the title with a Carryduff defeat giving Ardglass a chance of forcing another playoff for the 2nd promotion spot. At the other end St Michaels have joined Mitchels in Div 4 with Teconnaught joining them unless they win over St Michaels this weekend - if they do win, its another head to head between Bosco and Teconnaught for the winner stays up prize.

BTW Well done to Annaclone and St Johns in Ulster  :)

i have heard a rumour that St. Michael's are not going to field this weekend against Teconnaught as it is a nothing match for them. this would leave both Bosco and Teconnaught on 3 points each, and an all or nothing game between them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on November 03, 2008, 08:44:48 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on November 03, 2008, 07:00:07 PM
I'd say Jody Gormley had the best Bredagh team on the field.

a lot of people who have worked with the younger players would beg to differ
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 03, 2008, 09:05:37 PM
QuoteI have a prime suspect though, he wasn't a greying/ginger lad with glasses by any chance?

Nope, wasn't him  He was a heavy set lad with dark hair around mid forties, near had a coronary with every badly hit pass!

We've had previous with the boy you describe in the premier reserve league  ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 03, 2008, 09:33:45 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on November 03, 2008, 08:44:48 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on November 03, 2008, 07:00:07 PM
I'd say Jody Gormley had the best Bredagh team on the field.

a lot of people who have worked with the younger players would beg to differ

I made a point last year about my perception off younger players Bredagh players not getting a chance and falling by the way side. With more experienced "blow ins" who may not necessairly be much more talented being in favour. Have many of the younger players whom have came through the ranks got a fair chance this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 03, 2008, 09:52:18 PM
If you look at our team that started on Sunday four of them are 20 and below, with another 2 on the line. we have a good bunch of minors that IMHO a few of will be playing senior football in the near future
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 04, 2008, 01:21:33 AM
Paddy Tally is a great scoop by Ross for next year!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Clown on November 04, 2008, 08:58:48 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on November 03, 2008, 04:59:13 PM
Tullylish can still do it,sure who the hell is RGU soccer superstars?one or two names but certainly no super stars at the Gaelic.RGU havent won a match in ages and they'll find that difficult to overcome,i bet you there will be no soccer men training for them this week because the soccer team have a mid-week cup match.

u seem a bit obsessed with the old soccer there bitta banter?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 04, 2008, 12:01:39 PM
just looking at promotion and relegation....IMHO

bryansford will probably survive next year in Div1, i think the other 3 will definitely be relegated - annaclone might surprise but would put mortgage on bbridge and wpoint not surviving. Ballyholland and Kingdom would have to be favourites to go straight back up again.

same applies all the way down the leagues - its a crap situation when you are one of those yo yo teams that cant seem to go up a division and stay there for a period.

what is the answer? fk knows- you can only coach what you have and i dont agree with pulling in players from other clubs...so do ya just accept your lot??

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on November 04, 2008, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 04, 2008, 01:51:54 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on November 03, 2008, 08:44:48 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on November 03, 2008, 07:00:07 PM
I'd say Jody Gormley had the best Bredagh team on the field.

a lot of people who have worked with the younger players would beg to differ
So you're holding a grudge against playing the older imported ones in Bredagh? What age is your son/friend/or yourself
because you obviously have a bit of baggage with Bredagh at present? U-21 I'd guess.


I didnt neccessarily see any bitterness there.  I do think that bredagh probably had their best 15 out on sunday, i think we have been quite weak in a few positions this year.  I do think that the younger boys will come through next year and make a bigger impression, at least i hope so. :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 04, 2008, 04:04:38 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 04, 2008, 02:49:52 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on November 04, 2008, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 04, 2008, 01:51:54 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on November 03, 2008, 08:44:48 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on November 03, 2008, 07:00:07 PM
I'd say Jody Gormley had the best Bredagh team on the field.

a lot of people who have worked with the younger players would beg to differ
So you're holding a grudge against playing the older imported ones in Bredagh? What age is your son/friend/or yourself
because you obviously have a bit of baggage with Bredagh at present? U-21 I'd guess.


I didnt neccessarily see any bitterness there.  I do think that bredagh probably had their best 15 out on sunday, i think we have been quite weak in a few positions this year.  I do think that the younger boys will come through next year and make a bigger impression, at least i hope so. :)

You may be biased in your observations!
Any time any posters makes an observation on their own club it can be deemed as bias.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 04, 2008, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: Clown on November 04, 2008, 08:58:48 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on November 03, 2008, 04:59:13 PM
Tullylish can still do it,sure who the hell is RGU soccer superstars?one or two names but certainly no super stars at the Gaelic.RGU havent won a match in ages and they'll find that difficult to overcome,i bet you there will be no soccer men training for them this week because the soccer team have a mid-week cup match.

u seem a bit obsessed with the old soccer there bitta banter?

Wouldnt describe my post as obsessive,but factual,as the soccer is goin well in Dpk,and the Gaelic aint.So id say the soccer boys will be concentrating on their game rather than the RGU play-off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtown on November 05, 2008, 12:30:29 AM
Would any Down mean know much about a man Jerome Johnson? What sort of manager wud he be?? think hes takin our club next yr, hes a killcoo man!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on November 05, 2008, 03:22:50 AM
[quote author=iImagine link=topic=25.msg412041#msg412041 date=1225846502]
Try this.:  Does any of the Down posters know much about Kilcoo's Jerome Johnson, as he's to be our new Mmanager for next year?
[/quote]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on November 05, 2008, 07:59:07 AM
Quote from: downtown on November 05, 2008, 12:30:29 AM
Would any Down mean know much about a man Jerome Johnson? What sort of manager wud he be?? think hes takin our club next yr, hes a killcoo man!

Which club is that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on November 05, 2008, 10:38:14 AM
thought jerome was involved with down minors?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on November 05, 2008, 06:42:20 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 04, 2008, 01:51:54 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on November 03, 2008, 08:44:48 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on November 03, 2008, 07:00:07 PM
I'd say Jody Gormley had the best Bredagh team on the field.

a lot of people who have worked with the younger players would beg to differ
So you're holding a grudge against playing the older imported ones in Bredagh? What age is your son/friend/or yourself
because you obviously have a bit of baggage with Bredagh at present? U-21 I'd guess.


no grudge at all, a lot of excellent players i admire. while i am U21 i am not one of the few in my age group who should be considered for the senior panel , though i have had the advantage of seeing first hand  the younger  talent we possess . my sentiments are shared by many in the club, not just unsettled students
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on November 05, 2008, 10:44:03 PM
nope dont play hurling either. mutiny is on the cards?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lucius Fox on November 06, 2008, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: imagine on November 05, 2008, 11:42:15 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on November 05, 2008, 10:44:03 PM
nope dont play hurling either. mutiny is on the cards?

By saying you wouldn't be considered for Bredagh's Senior panel was that not an indication
you played football but weren't good enough(possibly yet) for Senior football? Your last post is strange
in that its saying you don't play football or hurling.Make your mind up dodgy U--21

Imagine - i think you're off your head

dodgy said he's u21 but he's not been considered for the senior panel - seems to me that its an honest assessment of his ability - where you get "...in that its saying you don't play football or hurling" from i dont know

i think you're imagining things

maybe you'd like to see a mutiny at bredagh??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on November 06, 2008, 04:38:07 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 06, 2008, 02:48:01 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 06, 2008, 02:36:06 PM
Quote from: Lucius Fox on November 06, 2008, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: imagine on November 05, 2008, 11:42:15 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on November 05, 2008, 10:44:03 PM
nope dont play hurling either. mutiny is on the cards?

By saying you wouldn't be considered for Bredagh's Senior panel was that not an indication
you played football but weren't good enough(possibly yet) for Senior football? Your last post is strange
in that its saying you don't play football or hurling.Make your mind up dodgy U--21

Imagine - i think you're off your head

dodgy said he's u21 but he's not been considered for the senior panel - seems to me that its an honest assessment of his ability - where you get "...in that its saying you don't play football or hurling" from i dont know

i think you're imagining things

maybe you'd like to see a mutiny at bredagh??
;D And they'll all come out the Bangor Road to us in St Pauls-most certainly.Just the best players mind you.

  Seriously Dodgy is being dodgy.He/She has defintely got an issue with Bredagh which he/she needs to sort
out for his/her son/friend or self.

why would i have an issue with my own club? i said that in my opinion the senior panel should have more youth, and that i was not one of those who should be considered. somehow you have concluded that i dont play football and have issues with bredagh. just to save you the bother of the he/she business in any further silly points you would like to make, i am in fact male.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 06, 2008, 05:21:12 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 05, 2008, 12:55:02 AM
Quote from: downtown on November 05, 2008, 12:30:29 AM
Would any Down mean know much about a man Jerome Johnson? What sort of manager wud he be?? think hes takin our club next yr, hes a killcoo man!



Try this.  Does any of the Down posters know much about Kilcoo's Jerome Johnson as he's our new Manager for next year?

Johnson has been over Kilcoo teams these past ten years.. I think he was a selector when they won the minor championship in 98 and he has won a few premier reserve and underage titles.. I always thought he would have got the Kilcoo senior job after a while!!!! Seems to have a great knowledge of football and would be a good choice!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 06, 2008, 06:39:55 PM
What club is Johnston supposed to be taking over?

Can someone post this weeks fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 06, 2008, 07:20:56 PM
Saturday 8th Nov (2 30)
ACFL Div 1
Liatroim v Mayobridge
Kilcoo v Loughinisland
ACHL Div 2 Playoff
Ballela
Warrenpoint v Ballycran
Sunday 9th Nov (2 30)
Div 2 Promotion playoff
Clonduff
Bryansford v Annaclone
Div 2 Relegation Playoff
Castlewellan
Tullylish v Downpatrick
Div 3 Promotion Playoffs
Pairc Esler
Glasdrumman v Carryduff
Daragh Cross
Bredagh v Ardglass
Div 3 Relegation Playoff
Liatroim
St Micheals v Teconnaught
ACPRL Div 2 (1 00)
Loughinisland v Ballymartin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 06, 2008, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 06, 2008, 05:21:12 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 05, 2008, 12:55:02 AM
Quote from: downtown on November 05, 2008, 12:30:29 AM
Would any Down mean know much about a man Jerome Johnson? What sort of manager wud he be?? think hes takin our club next yr, hes a killcoo man!



Try this.  Does any of the Down posters know much about Kilcoo's Jerome Johnson as he's our new Manager for next year?

Johnson has been over Kilcoo teams these past ten years.. I think he was a selector when they won the minor championship in 98 and he has won a few premier reserve and underage titles.. I always thought he would have got the Kilcoo senior job after a while!!!! Seems to have a great knowledge of football and would be a good choice!!!!!
And mindye, with them number of years in Kilcoo, he wud prabably be a fair judge of a Horny Tip - that will be a damn useful skill in an Armagh club - Downtown, yis'll get a quare dunt when Jerome clears the ditch into your feel!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on November 06, 2008, 09:48:36 PM
why do you assume i have a vested interest in young people being on the senior panel? (bar our progression into division two)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtown on November 06, 2008, 10:23:09 PM
Johnson is over the Ballymacnab Senior team next year.  Is that grammar ok for your man there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 07, 2008, 12:58:32 AM
Quote from: downtown on November 06, 2008, 10:23:09 PM
Johnson is over the Ballymacnab Senior team next year.  Is that grammar ok for your man there?

OK, Now, I Know the oul gramar wasnt the best - but thanks for pointing it out, Downtown, I shud have sid TUP not Tip. Hope Johnson's feet stick it trampin up & down there all year - a drop of formalin or blue stone might be required. Hys a fut bath handy?
Title: Pddy Tally
Post by: wobbller on November 07, 2008, 09:07:30 AM
 Any of the posters here play under Paddy Tally at St Marys? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on November 07, 2008, 09:23:32 AM
island played kilcoo under lights. we were well beaten as we had no team out as the match meant nothing to us. season over at last!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtown on November 07, 2008, 01:05:45 PM
Wasnt on bout your grammar daddylonglegs, wasnt just checkin if my grammar was ok with imagine??! We wud have a foot bath handy alrite, y? whats it required for?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 07, 2008, 01:14:22 PM
Imagine

we will be putting a team in for the u20s. Could be a few weeks yet until the first matches are played.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 07, 2008, 04:14:35 PM
Is the under 20's before or after xmas ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 07, 2008, 04:17:41 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 07, 2008, 04:14:35 PM
Is the under 20's before or after xmas ?

think your over age lad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on November 07, 2008, 04:35:34 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on November 07, 2008, 04:17:41 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 07, 2008, 04:14:35 PM
Is the under 20's before or after xmas ?

think your over age lad

i wouldn rule it out,  sure he has head in every other bridge team going this year! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 07, 2008, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on November 07, 2008, 04:35:34 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on November 07, 2008, 04:17:41 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 07, 2008, 04:14:35 PM
Is the under 20's before or after xmas ?

think your over age lad

i wouldn rule it out,  sure he has head in every other bridge team going this year! ;D
:D
your some boy to be talking, if its after xmas we night enter a team!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 07, 2008, 05:00:30 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 07, 2008, 04:14:35 PM
Is the under 20's before or after xmas ?

apparently it is starting quite soon. so before xmas is the answer to your question!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 07, 2008, 05:12:22 PM
ah sure it will give other clubs a chance  ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 07, 2008, 06:42:45 PM
the u20s will not start until all the div play offs are settled.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on November 08, 2008, 02:11:34 AM
Quote from: imagine on November 06, 2008, 11:20:40 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on November 06, 2008, 09:48:36 PM
why do you assume i have a vested interest in young people being on the senior panel? (bar our progression into division two)

  I am not assuming anything of the sort.Typical "hurler on the ditch".Your first postings in relation to Bredagh all year and you choose  to put the
boot in.Never encourage or mention Bredagh during the season,but wait until defeat and then out with knives.All I hear about  south Belfast,youselves and Saint Bridgets,I usually
dismiss but your sneaky attacks makes me want to change my mind.Oh for the isolation of North Down away from  all that.
Go and help out within your Club instead of attacking it Mr vested interest

you previously implied that i wanted a friend to be on the team, so therefore you are assuming that. it is not my first post relating to bredagh this year , at least get your facts right. expressing an opinion on the make up of the senior panel is not a sneaky attack nor is it in anyway comparable to sticking a knife in. catch yourself on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on November 08, 2008, 02:21:42 PM
yes, son friend or self, ie a vested interest .... i am not confused, nor was i at the pub but thanks for your concern
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 08, 2008, 02:59:57 PM
Bridge hammered liatrom, 6.15 to 0.5 was the score i think, total farce and the worst division one game i have ever seen!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on November 08, 2008, 04:25:25 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 08, 2008, 02:59:57 PM
Bridge hammered liatrom, 6.15 to 0.5 was the score i think, total farce and the worst division one game i have ever seen!!!!!!!!!

Surprised they managed 5 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 08, 2008, 05:23:28 PM
MAYOBRIDGE 6-14 LIATROIM 0-6

Mayobridge completed their league campaign on Saturday with a comprehensive win over very understrength Liatroim team at Fontenoy Park. Right from the throw-in the 'Bridge went into the attack and Brendan Coulter, fresh from his exploits in Australia, hit the net. This was to set the tone for the rest of the game with the visitors scoring at will, meeting very little resistance from the home side and the winning margin gives a good indication of the one-sided nature of the game. The 'Bridge now look forward to next weekend and the league semi-final meeting with Castlewellan while Liatroim can put their feet up for the winter knowing that will be playing First Division football again next season.

Mayobridge team and scorers: Liam Coulter, Gavin Barry (1-1), Shane O'Hare (0-1), Seamus Grant, Conleth O'Hare, Brendan Grant, Micheal Lively (0-1), Cathal Magee (0-1), John Caldwell, Noel Sexton (2-2), Michael Walsh (1-4), Gavin Walsh (0-2), Adrian Barry, Brendan Coulter (1-1), Ryan Brady (0-1).

Subs used: Robbie Coulter, Kevin McClorey (1-0), Ciaran Bradley.

Liatroim scorers: Colin McCrickard (0-2), Liam Morgan (0-2), J.P. Owens (0-1), Ryan Doyle (01).

-------------------
To be fair to Leitrm a good few of their players were at a wedding yesterday and weren't in the best of form for the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on November 08, 2008, 05:41:49 PM
Division 2 Hurling Final Replay @ Ballela

Ballycran 1.12 Warrenpoint 1.11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 09, 2008, 08:56:56 AM
Hard luck Warrenpoint.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on November 09, 2008, 01:13:55 PM
I think its an absolute disgrace the way the leagues have finished this year. All final day fixtures should have been played on the same day to give teams a fair chance. How saval, leitrim and loughinisland fared out against the bridge in those last couple of league games was nothing short of disgraceful, knowing defeat would keep you up. What a fantastic way to promote our games to the youth of those clubs using defeat as an acceptable means to send another club down. This is not a personal attack on those 3 clubs but the whole system and league structure. Saturday fixtures at 1pm is laughable and wouldnt under no circumstances happen in any other county in Ulster and that is just 1 minor issue. The whole structure seriously needs looked at or we are going to find our football in this county disintegrate at an alarming rate.

Rant over !  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on November 09, 2008, 01:55:15 PM
100% correct Downgael. This year has shown exactly the flaws with our leagues with teams lying down to either gain an advantage for themselves or to do a bad turn to a neighbour.
But clubs must take responsibility here as they were the ones who turned down the opportunity to change about 18 mths ago.
When it comes to issues like this all clubs take a very narrow view. That is democracy in action. Perhaps a ctte, reperesentative of all stakeholders,should make the decision on behalf of all clubs for a trial view.
We all know the various options open to us. Now it is time for affirmative action before we gp through the same process again and again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 09, 2008, 03:58:20 PM
Downpatrick beat Tullylish 0-09 to 0-08 today to condemn Tullylish to Division 3 next year with Dundrum.
This just once more highlights the inadequacies in our League structure. The two teams that went up from Division 3 last year are now back down again and the two teams that went down from Division 2 last year are very likely to go back up to it from Division 3 this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 09, 2008, 04:03:23 PM
Any word on Bredagh & Crryduff games today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on November 09, 2008, 04:22:05 PM
Ardglass 3-7 Bredagh 0-8 in Saul today

Word from the other game was that Carryduff snatched a draw right at the end to send both they and Glasdrumman up (Carryduff 1.05 Glassdrumman 1.05) ......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 09, 2008, 04:54:51 PM
Bryansford beat Annaclone 0-09 to 0-04 in Division 2 Promotion Playoff today in Clonduff.

That leaves the Ford and Warrenpoint on 2 points and the Clone and Banbridge on 0 after the first round of games.

The Ford also drew with St Johns in the East Down RFL Final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 09, 2008, 05:10:47 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 09, 2008, 03:58:20 PM
Downpatrick beat Tullylish 0-09 to 0-08 today to condemn Tullylish to Division 3 next year with Dundrum.
This just once more highlights the inadequacies in our League structure. The two teams that went up from Division 3 last year are now back down again and the two teams that went down from Division 2 last year are very likely to go back up to it from Division 3 this year.

DownFanatic, Im nor sure I follow your logic here. Why does the fact that the two who went up up last year are coming down again and the two who came down are going back up highlight a weakness in the league structures? Some would see this as a strength, especially the ones going up again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 09, 2008, 05:22:19 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 09, 2008, 03:58:20 PM
Downpatrick beat Tullylish 0-09 to 0-08 today to condemn Tullylish to Division 3 next year with Dundrum.
This just once more highlights the inadequacies in our League structure. The two teams that went up from Division 3 last year are now back down again and the two teams that went down from Division 2 last year are very likely to go back up to it from Division 3 this year.

I think this situation could arise no matter what the structures are,the teams coming down are generally as strong as the best of the rest,if the rest cant beat them(teams that came down) then they dont deserve to go up.
On the top 4,bottom 4 issue,its very difficult for a team that gets promoted to avoid finishing in the bottom four the next year.Saval finished on 18 and still finished bottom four,as did Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Forgot me Boots on November 09, 2008, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: Statto-Gael on November 09, 2008, 04:22:05 PM
Ardglass 3-7 Bredagh 0-8 in Saul today

Word from the other game was that Carryduff snatched a draw right at the end to send both they and Glasdrumman up (Carryduff 1.05 Glassdrumman 1.05) ......

so the Bredagh auld lads get beat again, Ah Dodgy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on November 09, 2008, 08:05:02 PM
good to c Ardglass have another year in division 3!!


i hear from sources that there was trouble at the u16 hurling on sunday, portaferry v ballycran and this continued on the ferry home?

any truth??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 09, 2008, 09:31:26 PM
Re bottom four in play off.

Instead of reaching  30% of top team, why not have it fixed at 10 points. OUr league is  a great set up, but being badly exposed this year. with 10 points fixed, I think this problem would be solved for future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 09, 2008, 09:44:01 PM
Any1 know how the Div3 relegation play-off between Teconaught and st michaels went this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on November 09, 2008, 09:50:28 PM
Quote from: umpire on November 09, 2008, 09:31:26 PM
Re bottom four in play off.

Instead of reaching  30% of top team, why not have it fixed at 10 points. OUr league is  a great set up, but being badly exposed this year. with 10 points fixed, I think this problem would be solved for future.

Or a combination of both, with the target  being the lowest between 30% of the top teams points or 10 points.  This would allow for years when the teams are more evenly matched and the top team gets less than 33 points.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 09, 2008, 10:22:34 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 09, 2008, 10:13:28 PM
Quote from: Forgot me Boots on November 09, 2008, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: Statto-Gael on November 09, 2008, 04:22:05 PM
Ardglass 3-7 Bredagh 0-8 in Saul today

Word from the other game was that Carryduff snatched a draw right at the end to send both they and Glasdrumman up (Carryduff 1.05 Glassdrumman 1.05) ......

so the Bredagh auld lads get beat again, Ah Dodgy

Dodgy,so the old fellas were playing today again? So your mate/son/self didn't get a run out today either then.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz This is getting very boring. Off to bed zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on November 09, 2008, 11:15:04 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on November 09, 2008, 09:44:01 PM
Any1 know how the Div3 relegation play-off between Teconaught and st michaels went this weekend?

No-one else has confirmed this but again I'd heard (from a Bosco source) that St Michaels had informed the CB that they weren't going to field today so with Teconnaught getting the points, it seems it now comes down to a head to head between Bosco and Teconnaught with the loser heading for Div 4 along with St Michaels and Mitchels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on November 10, 2008, 08:24:11 AM
Quote from: maldini on November 09, 2008, 08:05:02 PM
good to c Ardglass have another year in division 3!!


i hear from sources that there was trouble at the u16 hurling on sunday, portaferry v ballycran and this continued on the ferry home?

any truth??

4 sent off after an ugly brawl in the first half. Another 2 should have went later on. The awful conditions didn't help those trying to play hurley.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on November 10, 2008, 09:57:12 AM
Quote from: Statto-Gael on November 09, 2008, 11:15:04 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on November 09, 2008, 09:44:01 PM
Any1 know how the Div3 relegation play-off between Teconaught and st michaels went this weekend?

No-one else has confirmed this but again I'd heard (from a Bosco source) that St Michaels had informed the CB that they weren't going to field today so with Teconnaught getting the points, it seems it now comes down to a head to head between Bosco and Teconnaught with the loser heading for Div 4 along with St Michaels and Mitchels.

I see the IN has the playoff result in as St Michaels 1-4 Teconnaught 1-11 so seemingly it was played - same end result.  Apols to St Michaels for the misinfo.  On that note, I should also give credit to Bredagh for the efforts they put in against Ardglass yesterday even though they had nothing to gain but pride. Apart from 2 quick-fire goals in the 1st half and 1 against the run of play in the second, Bredagh fought for every ball with what appeared a much changed team (no Jody that I could see).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on November 10, 2008, 12:03:35 PM
Quote from: western exile on November 09, 2008, 09:50:28 PM
Quote from: umpire on November 09, 2008, 09:31:26 PM
Re bottom four in play off.

Instead of reaching  30% of top team, why not have it fixed at 10 points. OUr league is  a great set up, but being badly exposed this year. with 10 points fixed, I think this problem would be solved for future.

Or a combination of both, with the target  being the lowest between 30% of the top teams points or 10 points.  This would allow for years when the teams are more evenly matched and the top team gets less than 33 points.



Has to be a set value otherwise there will always be dodgy dealing.  Should never be a situation where a team will benefit from losing a match.  An Riocht knew they where relegated from the minute they lost to Castlewellan.  Happens every year that funny things happen in the last couple of games to affect who is or isn't in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on November 10, 2008, 12:53:03 PM
Well guys only back from 2 weeks in spain great to get back into the way of things re: footie.
Was on my way to Glasdrumman match in Newry only to hear it was changed to saval so instead i went out to Hilltown to watch ford and annaclone have to say i was impressed with the ford there handling in particular on such a muddy playing field was the difference in the two teams. Was real hard football something that we are not used to in this county and the ref let play go which again was a rarity. Both teams have to be commened for there efforts and to be fair the best team on the day won. Was very impressed with the fords big half forward huge man and could play a bit too surely one for ross to look at!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 10, 2008, 02:23:49 PM
Just being nosey here Centre 3/4s but why did you go to Hilltown when Saval was closer???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 10, 2008, 02:53:54 PM
and more noseynes, why do you magpies feel the need to go to every game in the county? :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 10, 2008, 03:15:34 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on November 10, 2008, 02:53:54 PM
and more noseynes, why do you magpies feel the need to go to every game in the county? :D
;D ;D with their colours proudly on show!!! :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on November 10, 2008, 03:56:02 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 10, 2008, 02:23:49 PM
Just being nosey here Centre 3/4s but why did you go to Hilltown when Saval was closer???

The last time i drove it Hilltown was actually closer to Kilcoo than Saval, however if you know some short cut i can take to get to Saval any quicker i would be glad to hear it!!! :(

As for you two other nosy cnuts the reason we go to gealic games all over the county is to enjoy our games and sporting culture, plus we like promoting our wide range of garments and tracksuits, if you would like to order one i would gratefully give you the contact. By the way Tom I dont thinkthere is any xxxl left ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on November 10, 2008, 05:17:22 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 09, 2008, 10:13:28 PM
Quote from: Forgot me Boots on November 09, 2008, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: Statto-Gael on November 09, 2008, 04:22:05 PM
Ardglass 3-7 Bredagh 0-8 in Saul today

Word from the other game was that Carryduff snatched a draw right at the end to send both they and Glasdrumman up (Carryduff 1.05 Glassdrumman 1.05) ......

so the Bredagh auld lads get beat again, Ah Dodgy

Dodgy,so the old fellas were playing today again? So your mate/son/self didn't get a run out today either then.

actually smart arse, a minor was put in midfield and scored three points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 10, 2008, 05:49:24 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on November 10, 2008, 03:56:02 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 10, 2008, 02:23:49 PM
Just being nosey here Centre 3/4s but why did you go to Hilltown when Saval was closer???

The last time i drove it Hilltown was actually closer to Kilcoo than Saval, however if you know some short cut i can take to get to Saval any quicker i would be glad to hear it!!! :(

As for you two other nosy cnuts the reason we go to gealic games all over the county is to enjoy our games and sporting culture, plus we like promoting our wide range of garments and tracksuits, if you would like to order one i would gratefully give you the contact. By the way Tom I dont thinkthere is any xxxl left ;D

;D I always was in awe at how Kilcoo were the only club in the area who were fit to make a garmet fit for Hilltown disco and in later years Laceys... Have yet to see one in the canal court but i am sure it wont be long before this happens.. keep up the good work centre 3/4's :) ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 10, 2008, 06:46:33 PM
i thought bredagh did well to show up for this match and compete for the whole game.ardglass deserved the win,no question,but maybe not by that margin.
   imagine,you seem very interested in the bredagh setup.howcome?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 10, 2008, 07:02:29 PM
i see.would he not join st pauls anyway,its not that far out the road?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on November 10, 2008, 07:16:49 PM
Quote from: east down gael on November 10, 2008, 07:02:29 PM
i see.would he not join st pauls anyway,its not that far out the road?

  It's like that thing a few weeks ago on the main Board where the issue will be the Parish Rule that exists in Down.
If we can wangle it we'll do it.There is a lot of safe houses around this neck of the woods
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 10, 2008, 07:22:45 PM
fair enough.i guess its back to the bredagh st pauls derby clash now that carryduff have escaped div 3 for next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 10, 2008, 07:34:07 PM
i'd say you would have a chance of beating any team in division 3 next year at home.i'd still have bredagh and carryduff a fair bit ahead of yous overall though.not really sure about the reputation bredagh have for being an old team.the majority would probably be in their mid twenties if not younger.carryduff seem to be doing a great job at bringing through their underage players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 10, 2008, 07:50:15 PM
i don't want to get involved in that discussion,it's going nowhere fast.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on November 10, 2008, 09:25:01 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 10, 2008, 07:43:57 PM
Quote from: east down gael on November 10, 2008, 07:34:07 PM
i'd say you would have a chance of beating any team in division 3 next year at home.i'd still have bredagh and carryduff a fair bit ahead of yous overall though.not really sure about the reputation bredagh have for being an old team.the majority would probably be in their mid twenties if not younger.carryduff seem to be doing a great job at bringing through their underage players.
We in St Pauls have two players over 42 years of age and we don't get any Dodgy-types complaining about the
young boys not being given a chance.There'll always be grumpy young(Dodgy old)men in every Club.

you clearly have issues, these must be addressed. feel free to continue this riveting debate about my opinions through private message, i dont think anyone else cares.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Forgot me Boots on November 10, 2008, 10:08:42 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on November 10, 2008, 05:17:22 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 09, 2008, 10:13:28 PM
Quote from: Forgot me Boots on November 09, 2008, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: Statto-Gael on November 09, 2008, 04:22:05 PM
Ardglass 3-7 Bredagh 0-8 in Saul today

Word from the other game was that Carryduff snatched a draw right at the end to send both they and Glasdrumman up (Carryduff 1.05 Glassdrumman 1.05) ......

so the Bredagh auld lads get beat again, Ah Dodgy

Dodgy,so the old fellas were playing today again? So your mate/son/self didn't get a run out today either then.

actually smart arse, a minor was put in midfield and scored three points

who's the smart arse? I hate when theres quote after quote? If there was a minor playing he done well to score 3 points from midfield against Ardglass who needed to win that game, was it an tough physical game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 11, 2008, 11:47:16 AM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on November 10, 2008, 03:56:02 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 10, 2008, 02:23:49 PM
Just being nosey here Centre 3/4s but why did you go to Hilltown when Saval was closer???

The last time i drove it Hilltown was actually closer to Kilcoo than Saval, however if you know some short cut i can take to get to Saval any quicker i would be glad to hear it!!! :(

As for you two other nosy cnuts the reason we go to gealic games all over the county is to enjoy our games and sporting culture, plus we like promoting our wide range of garments and tracksuits, if you would like to order one i would gratefully give you the contact. By the way Tom I dont thinkthere is any xxxl left ;D

Apologies Centre 3/4s...when you said you were heading to Newry for the Glassdrumman match I assumed you were coming into Newry from Kilkeel direction.....I didn't know you were from Kilcoo.... ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on November 11, 2008, 01:18:20 PM
Anyone know whats up with the county website? I know it promised a new format and relaunch a while back and now it seems down. Is it in the mid of probs switching the sites or just no-one has noticed  :)

UPDATE: Its back again and no change so I guess it was the latter  ;D

Separate topic to that - anyone heading for the club development conference this Saturday? Is so, what are you (and club) hoping to get out of it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on November 12, 2008, 12:26:35 AM
Saturday 15th Nov

ACFL Div 1 (2 30) - Clonduff v Liatroim 

ACFL Div 1 Semi Finals - Extra Time if Necessary

Pairc Esler (5 45)  - Rostrevor v Kilcoo (C Brannigan)
Pairc Esler (7 30)  - Mayobridge v Castlewellan (C Reynolds)

Sunday 16th Nov

Div 3 Relegation Playoff
Newcastle (1.00) - St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 12, 2008, 09:01:10 AM
Has any info been issued on the County Convention?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 12, 2008, 10:25:39 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on November 12, 2008, 09:01:10 AM
Has any info been issued on the County Convention?

Its on on Sun 14th December in St Malachy's Castlewellan...invitations are out for nominations and motions...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 12, 2008, 04:04:09 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on November 12, 2008, 09:01:10 AM
Has any info been issued on the County Convention?
Lecale, are you going to run for High Office?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 12, 2008, 04:13:46 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 12, 2008, 04:04:09 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on November 12, 2008, 09:01:10 AM
Has any info been issued on the County Convention?
Lecale, are you going to run for High Office?
Need someone to go in and sort them out........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 12, 2008, 05:27:26 PM
There have been a lot of people giving out a lot of critisim I wonder will they allow their names to go forward for jobs where the hassle and grief far out weigh any small perks there might be.  I wouldn't fancy it myself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 12, 2008, 05:57:35 PM
Quote from: amallon on November 12, 2008, 05:27:26 PM
There have been a lot of people giving out a lot of critisim I wonder will they allow their names to go forward for jobs where the hassle and grief far out weigh any small perks there might be.  I wouldn't fancy it myself.

Well said amallon though I didnt think there were many perks. Is a Co Board position not the same as any Club position - endless unpaid hours, personal & family sacrifices, untold criticism from those who seem to think they know how to do everything (but never actually do anything!) etc etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on November 12, 2008, 08:36:43 PM
Well said A.Mallon, no one should be permitted to critisize until they have earned the right to do so. The Pub Pontificators need to be made face up to the emptiness of their rhetoric
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 13, 2008, 07:23:40 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on November 12, 2008, 08:36:43 PM
Well said A.Mallon, no one should be permitted to critisize until they have earned the right to do so. The Pub Pontificators need to be made face up to the emptiness of their rhetoric

  So do we submit our CV first to see if any of us are eligible to speak out about our CB and other matters.Hilarious suggestion. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 13, 2008, 09:06:11 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 12, 2008, 10:25:39 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on November 12, 2008, 09:01:10 AM
Has any info been issued on the County Convention?

Its on on Sun 14th December in St Malachy's Castlewellan...invitations are out for nominations and motions...

So the clárs wil be out with the clubs soon as well as the financial reports!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on November 13, 2008, 09:58:42 AM
Quote from: amallon on November 12, 2008, 05:27:26 PM
There have been a lot of people giving out a lot of critisim I wonder will they allow their names to go forward for jobs where the hassle and grief far out weigh any small perks there might be.  I wouldn't fancy it myself.

If someone is suggesting what they think is an improvement to the current system it should not always be seen as a critisism.  A healthy county board to me is 1 that gives people the opportunity to voice there opinions without anyone taking offence.

Based on what happened this year below are some improvements that I think could be made.

All final round games to be played together.
A set points total to reach (10 or 11 points) so that we do not get the farcical situation where it is in 3 teams interest to lose there last match.
I'd personally like to see Saturday matches scrapped as a lot of teams have players who play soccer on Saturday, the rule about not playing foreign sports was done away with in the 70's we are just bringing it back by another method.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Figo on November 13, 2008, 05:18:06 PM
In fairness after playing a few games towards the end of the year on a saturday I have to say I would much prefer it than a sunday game.  It will always conflict with the soccer games but neverthe less leaves everyone with the sunday free.
I think you can only have one sport as a priority and if your losing players to soccer games so be it.  In my view Carnbane League doesnt compare.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on November 14, 2008, 10:32:02 AM
Kilcoo v Rostrevor game on Saturday has been postponed to Monday night due to the death of the president of the Kilcoo club.

It will now take place at 7.30pm in Newry on Monday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on November 14, 2008, 11:11:51 AM
If thats the case with the Rostrevor v Kilcoo game is there any chance of the Mayobridge v Castlewellan game being brought forward a bit? 7.30 is a late kick off on a Saturday evening for spectators who might also have plans, surely this game could be brought forward to 7pm or even 6.45 now to let people away that wee bit sooner and not 9 o'clock at night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 14, 2008, 03:22:48 PM
Quote from: Dulaney on November 14, 2008, 11:11:51 AM
If thats the case with the Rostrevor v Kilcoo game is there any chance of the Mayobridge v Castlewellan game being brought forward a bit? 7.30 is a late kick off on a Saturday evening for spectators who might also have plans, surely this game could be brought forward to 7pm or even 6.45 now to let people away that wee bit sooner and not 9 o'clock at night.

Dulaney, youre far too fond of the oul drink ye boya!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 14, 2008, 04:21:03 PM
Quote from: Dulaney on November 14, 2008, 11:11:51 AM
If thats the case with the Rostrevor v Kilcoo game is there any chance of the Mayobridge v Castlewellan game being brought forward a bit? 7.30 is a late kick off on a Saturday evening for spectators who might also have plans, surely this game could be brought forward to 7pm or even 6.45 now to let people away that wee bit sooner and not 9 o'clock at night.
It's known as a Throw-in in GAA lingo ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 15, 2008, 04:40:08 PM
Don't know the vaildity of this but supposedly tomorrow's ACFL Division 3 relegation playoff between Bosco and Teconnaught has been called off. From what ive heard Teconnaught were told on Thursday night that they would be remaining in Division 3 for 2009 and that Bosco would be joining St Michaels in Division 4 next year.
Now, from what Ive taken from it, Teconnaught have utilised some by-law which states that after the round of playoff games are completed then score difference will determine the final position. Obviously then after the three games Teconnaught had the best score difference.
In another twist Ive heard that Bosco are now rejecting St Johns promotion to Division 3 on the grounds that they have broken a by-law by not fielding twice in the League this season.
Anybody hear anything like this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 15, 2008, 06:03:59 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 15, 2008, 04:40:08 PM
Don't know the vaildity of this but supposedly tomorrow's ACFL Division 3 relegation playoff between Bosco and Teconnaught has been called off. From what ive heard Teconnaught were told on Thursday night that they would be remaining in Division 3 for 2009 and that Bosco would be joining St Michaels in Division 4 next year.
Now, from what Ive taken from it, Teconnaught have utilised some by-law which states that after the round of playoff games are completed then score difference will determine the final position. Obviously then after the three games Teconnaught had the best score difference.
In another twist Ive heard that Bosco are now rejecting St Johns promotion to Division 3 on the grounds that they have broken a by-law by not fielding twice in the League this season.
Anybody hear anything like this?

You're quare crack, Downfanatic, you stirring wee bugger. I seen your posts on Pages 492 & 495 when there was plenty of posts on the subject of St Johns  - "Anybody hear anything like this? indeed – do you think we are all a bunch of ejits? Jealous of St Johns – that's what you are!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 15, 2008, 06:12:53 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on November 15, 2008, 06:03:59 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 15, 2008, 04:40:08 PM
Don't know the vaildity of this but supposedly tomorrow's ACFL Division 3 relegation playoff between Bosco and Teconnaught has been called off. From what ive heard Teconnaught were told on Thursday night that they would be remaining in Division 3 for 2009 and that Bosco would be joining St Michaels in Division 4 next year.
Now, from what Ive taken from it, Teconnaught have utilised some by-law which states that after the round of playoff games are completed then score difference will determine the final position. Obviously then after the three games Teconnaught had the best score difference.
In another twist Ive heard that Bosco are now rejecting St Johns promotion to Division 3 on the grounds that they have broken a by-law by not fielding twice in the League this season.
Anybody hear anything like this?

You're quare crack, Downfanatic, you stirring wee bugger. I seen your posts on Pages 492 & 495 when there was plenty of posts on the subject of St Johns  - "Anybody hear anything like this? indeed – do you think we are all a bunch of ejits? Jealous of St Johns – that's what you are!!

Jealous? No
Stirring wee bugger? No
If you read the start of the post, I questioned the vaildity of this.

On another note, I don't hold a hint of jealousy towards St Johns. What would I be jealous of?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on November 15, 2008, 10:53:37 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 15, 2008, 04:40:08 PM
Don't know the vaildity of this but supposedly tomorrow's ACFL Division 3 relegation playoff between Bosco and Teconnaught has been called off. From what ive heard Teconnaught were told on Thursday night that they would be remaining in Division 3 for 2009 and that Bosco would be joining St Michaels in Division 4 next year.
Now, from what Ive taken from it, Teconnaught have utilised some by-law which states that after the round of playoff games are completed then score difference will determine the final position. Obviously then after the three games Teconnaught had the best score difference.
In another twist Ive heard that Bosco are now rejecting St Johns promotion to Division 3 on the grounds that they have broken a by-law by not fielding twice in the League this season.
Anybody hear anything like this?

DF, I heard the same thing - the Bosco/Tec part - from a Bosco club member last night so it seems to have some merit. They certainly believe they're down  The St Johns saga, I'm not sure on, and tbh its getting a bit tedious how these things run on - the county board need to make the situation clear by implementing on the rules and if thats tough on St Johns then rules are rules and should be applied irrespective of the status, personalities or vociferous supporters they have.

DaddyLongLegs - you haven't been on here long enough to know I'd guess but DownFanatic has always given his honest opinions and has been very timely with info to clarify things for a lot of us Down posters. We really have to get away from the almost childish slagging someone for an opinion (or fact)  that seems to be happening more often now (is this board falling behind even hoganstand now as a result??) and bring it back to open debate and early news of the things that affect gaelic games and Down football. Jealous of St Johns? come on!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 16, 2008, 01:25:25 PM
any reports on the bridge castlewellen game last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on November 16, 2008, 01:38:54 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 16, 2008, 01:25:25 PM
any reports on the bridge castlewellen game last night?
Easy 7 point win for Mayobridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on November 16, 2008, 01:45:33 PM
forget the final score lads,  poor match in front of poor crowd.  bridge started off well but were very wasteful up front.  castlewellan came back into it with couple of point and then a goal to put them two up.  'bridge upped it from then scoring 1.06 without reply.  second half was poor,  missed chances from both sides and it couldn't have finished soon enough. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 16, 2008, 03:01:47 PM
Liatroim well better by Gort Na Mona in the Ulster IHC final.  Annaclone on next.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sean og on November 16, 2008, 06:41:03 PM
By all a counts Annaclone didnt fair out much better with
the third division team from Derry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 16, 2008, 08:47:06 PM
Quote from: Statto-Gael on November 15, 2008, 10:53:37 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 15, 2008, 04:40:08 PM
Don't know the vaildity of this but supposedly tomorrow's ACFL Division 3 relegation playoff between Bosco and Teconnaught has been called off. From what ive heard Teconnaught were told on Thursday night that they would be remaining in Division 3 for 2009 and that Bosco would be joining St Michaels in Division 4 next year.
Now, from what Ive taken from it, Teconnaught have utilised some by-law which states that after the round of playoff games are completed then score difference will determine the final position. Obviously then after the three games Teconnaught had the best score difference.
In another twist Ive heard that Bosco are now rejecting St Johns promotion to Division 3 on the grounds that they have broken a by-law by not fielding twice in the League this season.
Anybody hear anything like this?

DF, I heard the same thing - the Bosco/Tec part - from a Bosco club member last night so it seems to have some merit. They certainly believe they're down  The St Johns saga, I'm not sure on, and tbh its getting a bit tedious how these things run on - the county board need to make the situation clear by implementing on the rules and if thats tough on St Johns then rules are rules and should be applied irrespective of the status, personalities or vociferous supporters they have.

DaddyLongLegs - you haven't been on here long enough to know I'd guess but DownFanatic has always given his honest opinions and has been very timely with info to clarify things for a lot of us Down posters. We really have to get away from the almost childish slagging someone for an opinion (or fact)  that seems to be happening more often now (is this board falling behind even hoganstand now as a result??) and bring it back to open debate and early news of the things that affect gaelic games and Down football. Jealous of St Johns? come on!


Again not sure if theres any merit with what DF says, but for St. Johns to even place themselves in a poisition where by the rumour mill is in force, in my opinion is nothing short of football suicide.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on November 17, 2008, 10:45:05 AM
Boys just to clarify Newry Bosco have not contested St.Johns promotion from div 4 to div 3 that is a job for the co.board to deal with. As far as our own situation goes just watch this space.
Cheers

Mo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 17, 2008, 10:57:25 AM
TV stars in the Mournes. This was taken from Glasdrumman's club notes.

'To add to an already exciting end of 2008, the club has been chosen to participate in RTE's Celebrity Bainisteoir programme for this coming year. Filming begins on Tuesday 25th November at the Quarter Road pitch, all Senior team players and management are asked to be at the clubrooms for 9.00am on this date. Should you have any queries please contact Chairman, John Brennan or Secretary, Art McCartan.'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 17, 2008, 09:30:22 PM
Div one league semi-final

Mayobridge 1.14 Castlewellan 1.8
Kilcoo 1.7 Rostrevor 0.7 (not sure that is correct score from mobile call)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on November 18, 2008, 11:29:03 AM
Any fixtures for this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 18, 2008, 12:18:50 PM
Quote from: The Corporal on November 18, 2008, 11:29:03 AM
Any fixtures for this weekend?
yeah in the irish news under fixtures ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 18, 2008, 12:29:51 PM
Kilcoo into final against Mayobridge Down SFL semi-final: Kilcoo 1-7 Rostrevor 0-7
By Matt Fitzpatrick
18/11/2008

A goal by minor county star Paul Devlin five minutes from time was the score which gave

Kilcoo victory over Rostrevor in last night's Down SFL Division One semi-final in Pairc Esler, Newry.

In a tough encounter, both sides fought hard throughout, with scores at a minimum, especially in the first-half.

The Kilcoo defence, brilliantly marshalled by Conor Morgan, Gerard McEvoy and Aidan Brannigan,

withstood strong Rostrevor pressure, in which Dermot Mackin, Brian Cole and Collie Clerkin were the most prominent.

Paul Greenan and Niall Morgan had a great midfield battle with Niall Farrell and Colm Murney, who was the outstanding player on view.

The Kilcoo attack, led by Paul Devlin and Gary McEvoy, worked hard throughout and took some good scores.

The Rostrevor defence, especially the half-back line of Martin Cole, Eamon McConville and Kevin

McGrath stood out.

Kilcoo will now meet county champions Mayobridge in the final at Pairc Esler, Newry on Friday night at 8pm.

match stats

Kilcoo: J Kane; N Brannigan, A Brannigan,

P Devlin; B O'Hanlon, C Morgan, Gerard McEvoy; P Greenan, N Morgan; P Devlin (1-4), D Grant, B Kane; C Laverty, D McEvoy, Gary McEvoy (0-1). Subs: A Devlin (0-1) for

B Kane, M McClean for D McEvoy, A McEvoy (0-1) for D Grant, N McEvoy for B O'Hanlon

Rostrevor: C McCartan; G Magee, P Magee,

J Farrell; M Cole, E McConville, K McGrath;

N Farrell, C Murney; C Mackin, B Cole, J Fagan; D Mackin (0-2), C Daly (0-2), C Clerkin (0-3). Subs: A Mackin for J Fagan, A Donnan for D Mackin

Referee: N Cousin (Ballymartin)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 18, 2008, 12:30:56 PM
SOUTH DOWN

Saturday, November 22

South Down U20 Championship (2.30pm): Ballyholland v Saval; Mayobridge v Rostrevor

Sunday, November 23

U11 League: Clonduff v Shamrocks

(L Smyth); Burren v An Riocht

(PJ Cunningham); Mayobridge

v Ballyholland (D Kearns); Ballymartin

v Glenn (P McClorey); South Down U20 Championship (12.30pm): Clonduff v An Riocht; Ballymartin

v Burren; Shamrocks v Bosco; Longstone v Warrenpoint; Reserve League final (12.30pm): Rostrevor v Ballyholland (B Andrews)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on November 18, 2008, 12:40:20 PM
Friday 21st Nov

Pairc Esler(6 30) - Div 2 Promotion Playoff
Annaclone v Warrenpoint(L Smyth)

Pairc Esler(8 00) - Div 1 League Final
Mayobridge v Kilcoo (G Tumelty)

Sunday 23rd Nov
An Riocht (2 00) - Div 2 Promotion Playoff
Bryansford v Clann na Banna(E O Hare)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on November 18, 2008, 05:15:30 PM
Good game of football last night between ourselves and Kilcoo.

It could have went either way but fair play to Kilcoo on coming back in those last 10 minutes to win it.  I thought we had it but the game is never over.

Scores were at a minimum but that was due to the intense tackling on both sides.  It was almost like championship football at times.

I think Kilcoo will have to change their approach however if they are to beat the Bridge.  They play with too many men in defence a lot of the time and it leaves their attack totally isolated.   They were much better last night when we got in front and they had to come out and go forward.

Anyway good luck to both teams in the final on Friday.  They both fully deserve to be there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on November 19, 2008, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 14, 2008, 04:21:03 PM
Quote from: Dulaney on November 14, 2008, 11:11:51 AM
If thats the case with the Rostrevor v Kilcoo game is there any chance of the Mayobridge v Castlewellan game being brought forward a bit? 7.30 is a late kick off on a Saturday evening for spectators who might also have plans, surely this game could be brought forward to 7pm or even 6.45 now to let people away that wee bit sooner and not 9 o'clock at night.
It's known as a Throw-in in GAA lingo ;)
Cheers Mournerambler for that spot, i dunno What i was thinking!! ;) ;D

Any word on the state of the Marshes for the game on Monday nite, i heard reports it was very heavy with the ball quite often getting stuck in the muck and the pitch cutting up easily?? If this is the case i dread to think wat it will be like on Friday for the league final after the 2nd division promotion play-off game on just before...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 19, 2008, 01:40:09 PM
Quote from: Dulaney on November 19, 2008, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 14, 2008, 04:21:03 PM
Quote from: Dulaney on November 14, 2008, 11:11:51 AM
If thats the case with the Rostrevor v Kilcoo game is there any chance of the Mayobridge v Castlewellan game being brought forward a bit? 7.30 is a late kick off on a Saturday evening for spectators who might also have plans, surely this game could be brought forward to 7pm or even 6.45 now to let people away that wee bit sooner and not 9 o'clock at night.
It's known as a Throw-in in GAA lingo ;)
Cheers Mournerambler for that spot, i dunno What i was thinking!! ;) ;D

Any word on the state of the Marshes for the game on Monday nite, i heard reports it was very heavy with the ball quite often getting stuck in the muck and the pitch cutting up easily?? If this is the case i dread to think wat it will be like on Friday for the league final after the 2nd division promotion play-off game on just before...

It was in great nick on saturday!!! the college v Abbey Mc Rory game is meant to be there on saturday as well!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 19, 2008, 01:57:52 PM
Fao Lecale or any Liatroim poster- who wrote the poem outside the away dressing rooms in your clubhouse?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on November 19, 2008, 02:10:39 PM
Any word on the state of the Marshes for the game on Monday nite, i heard reports it was very heavy with the ball quite often getting stuck in the muck and the pitch cutting up easily?? If this is the case i dread to think wat it will be like on Friday for the league final after the 2nd division promotion play-off game on just before...
[/quote]

It was in great nick on saturday!!! the college v Abbey Mc Rory game is meant to be there on saturday as well!!!!
[/quote]

It was very good indeed on Monday night.  Cant see it being a problem for the final on Friday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on November 19, 2008, 02:32:40 PM
The worst place on the field has been along the sideline where the managers roam.  They talked about putting astroturf along the sidelines last year.  I wonder will they go through with it?

Have there been no night games in Newcastle recently?  Anyone know what it is like?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 19, 2008, 02:42:50 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 19, 2008, 01:57:52 PM
Fao Lecale or any Liatroim poster- who wrote the poem outside the away dressing rooms in your clubhouse?

must have walked past it 100 times and never noticed it, always in 'the zone' i suppose, what is it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on November 19, 2008, 02:48:03 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 19, 2008, 01:40:09 PM
Quote from: Dulaney on November 19, 2008, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 14, 2008, 04:21:03 PM
Quote from: Dulaney on November 14, 2008, 11:11:51 AM
If thats the case with the Rostrevor v Kilcoo game is there any chance of the Mayobridge v Castlewellan game being brought forward a bit? 7.30 is a late kick off on a Saturday evening for spectators who might also have plans, surely this game could be brought forward to 7pm or even 6.45 now to let people away that wee bit sooner and not 9 o'clock at night.
It's known as a Throw-in in GAA lingo ;)
Cheers Mournerambler for that spot, i dunno What i was thinking!! ;) ;D

Any word on the state of the Marshes for the game on Monday nite, i heard reports it was very heavy with the ball quite often getting stuck in the muck and the pitch cutting up easily?? If this is the case i dread to think wat it will be like on Friday for the league final after the 2nd division promotion play-off game on just before...

It was in great nick on saturday!!! the college v Abbey Mc Rory game is meant to be there on saturday as well!!!!

Do you have a time for that one Tom?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 19, 2008, 03:11:05 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on November 19, 2008, 02:42:50 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 19, 2008, 01:57:52 PM
Fao Lecale or any Liatroim poster- who wrote the poem outside the away dressing rooms in your clubhouse?

must have walked past it 100 times and never noticed it, always in 'the zone' i suppose, what is it?

Its a poem about doing your bit for the club!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 19, 2008, 03:12:20 PM
Quote from: corn02 on November 19, 2008, 02:48:03 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 19, 2008, 01:40:09 PM
Quote from: Dulaney on November 19, 2008, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 14, 2008, 04:21:03 PM
Quote from: Dulaney on November 14, 2008, 11:11:51 AM
If thats the case with the Rostrevor v Kilcoo game is there any chance of the Mayobridge v Castlewellan game being brought forward a bit? 7.30 is a late kick off on a Saturday evening for spectators who might also have plans, surely this game could be brought forward to 7pm or even 6.45 now to let people away that wee bit sooner and not 9 o'clock at night.
It's known as a Throw-in in GAA lingo ;)
Cheers Mournerambler for that spot, i dunno What i was thinking!! ;) ;D

Any word on the state of the Marshes for the game on Monday nite, i heard reports it was very heavy with the ball quite often getting stuck in the muck and the pitch cutting up easily?? If this is the case i dread to think wat it will be like on Friday for the league final after the 2nd division promotion play-off game on just before...

It was in great nick on saturday!!! the college v Abbey Mc Rory game is meant to be there on saturday as well!!!!

Do you have a time for that one Tom?

It all depends on Friday night/ Hopefully Saturday morning ;D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 20, 2008, 06:24:22 PM
Does the GAA players grant scheme apply to players in the six counties (& in London)? If so, surely the UK exchequer should be contributing a little instead of leaving it all for Martin Cullen (Irish Sports Minister) to deal with.

Does anyone know what the situation is? Who pays for what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 21, 2008, 03:00:12 PM
Any predictions for tonight lads????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: its me again on November 21, 2008, 03:39:35 PM
i think Kilcoo by a couple in a tight game think the bridges run has to stop sometimes

think the magpies will be more hungery for it

any word on x factor from last nite?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whacker on November 21, 2008, 04:02:53 PM
Hear Clonduff won it!

Killeavy Second
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 21, 2008, 10:48:24 PM
Kilcoo 3.13 Bridge 1.7

The scoreline says it all.  The Bridge lost Brendan Grant to a straight red after 15 mins and were in trouble from there on.  Kilcoo were far hungrier and played the better football.  The Bridge were very off colour, and some of the passing was terrible and not what you expect from the Bridge.  This game came about 2 months too late for us and a long season thankfully comes to an end.  Our boys won't loose much sleep over this one but it should help to focus minds for next season.  How ironic that the Bridge were the first team to break the 40 point mark in Down Div1 and with a scoring difference that must have reached +150 that we didn't end up winning the league.

Kilcoo reasserted their position as contenders and with them Burren and the Stone coming strong next season should be interesting. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on November 22, 2008, 05:00:33 PM
How Annaclone/'Point go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 22, 2008, 07:38:24 PM
Point won 1-12 to 1-09. Thats them up. Id expect Bryansford to beat Banbridge tomorrow and join the Point in Division 1 next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on November 23, 2008, 06:16:11 PM
Any word on the Bryansford v Banbridge game today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 23, 2008, 06:18:46 PM
Bryansford 1-11  Clann na Banna 0-04. Bryansford go up along with Warrenpoint. Next week's game between the two will decide who gets the title.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on November 23, 2008, 06:21:12 PM
Bryansford have been much too strong for all teams this year apart from a little blip late in the league.

I heard this was due to Eamon Burns leaving Bryansford after some kind of blow out.  Is he still there or is he gone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 23, 2008, 06:23:01 PM
Burns is still there as far as I know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on November 23, 2008, 06:25:43 PM
Did you hear anything about a row a few weeks back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 23, 2008, 06:38:45 PM
Heard there was a biita of a row,one of the Brannigans is meant to have left.Any word on the managerial merry go-round?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on November 23, 2008, 06:41:21 PM
Ballyholland man went a while back.

Can't see Mc Grath staying.

Liatroim looking.

Bottom three - what else do you expect?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 23, 2008, 07:35:50 PM
Regards the managerial merry go round was just wondering who are the top paying clubs in down for a manager to go to?  what are the current rates?which clubs are looking?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on November 23, 2008, 10:02:24 PM
 Annaclone and Drumgath have let be known they will be needing new Managers.As for the rates,I don't think
you'll see that written here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 24, 2008, 08:22:13 AM
Quote from: interested on November 23, 2008, 10:02:24 PM
Annaclone and Drungath have let be known they will be needing new Managers.As for the rates,I don't think
you'll see that written here.
Mickey linden left Drumgath then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 24, 2008, 11:21:12 AM
Quote from: off the laces on November 24, 2008, 08:22:13 AM
Quote from: interested on November 23, 2008, 10:02:24 PM
Annaclone and Drungath have let be known they will be needing new Managers.As for the rates,I don't think
you'll see that written here.
Mickey linden left Drumgath then?

Did he jump or was he pushed?

Tullylish are looking, Bredagh have filled their position. Both those statements are linked.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 24, 2008, 12:11:09 PM
Kevin Blaney taking over at Bredagh then passedit?
Dundrum's management have also stepped down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 24, 2008, 12:23:20 PM
I thought you were the man with the Bredagh fixation Imagine?

DF, thats what I'm led to believe, maybe Imagine or some of the bredagh lads can confirm. Drumaness are also looking AFAIK.

Any truth in the rumour that St Johns will not be joining the fray in Div 3 next year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 24, 2008, 12:42:59 PM
Yes

I can confirm the appointment of Kevin Blaney as part of the Bredagh management team.

what happened in Drumaness, thought the manager done a good job to get them to 5 in the league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 24, 2008, 12:46:54 PM
Darragh Cross have also parted ways with Des McNeill.
Seems to be a huge amount of clubs looking for managers at the moment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 24, 2008, 12:49:39 PM
Quote from: passedit on November 24, 2008, 12:23:20 PM
I thought you were the man with the Bredagh fixation Imagine?

DF, thats what I'm led to believe, maybe Imagine or some of the bredagh lads can confirm. Drumaness are also looking AFAIK.

Any truth in the rumour that St Johns will not be joining the fray in Div 3 next year?

this is a few times that this has been mentioned, is this bull, or does it have an element of truth?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 24, 2008, 12:51:44 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 24, 2008, 12:49:39 PM
Quote from: passedit on November 24, 2008, 12:23:20 PM
I thought you were the man with the Bredagh fixation Imagine?

DF, thats what I'm led to believe, maybe Imagine or some of the bredagh lads can confirm. Drumaness are also looking AFAIK.

Any truth in the rumour that St Johns will not be joining the fray in Div 3 next year?

this is a few times that this has been mentioned, is this bull, or does it have an element of truth?
i think at the minute it must just be rumour flying about, but it would be good if someone knows they could put an end to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 24, 2008, 01:54:03 PM
any word on when the u20s are due to start seeing everything else is done and dusted?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 24, 2008, 02:40:41 PM
South Down Fixtures for this week

Sunday 30 November 2008 @ 11.00 am NBS U11 League
 
Ballyholland  v Rostrevor D Kearns

An Riocht v Mayobridge    D Cottor

Shamrocks v Burren        J Quinn

Ballymartin v Glenn        P McClorey




Sunday 30 November 2008 @ 12.30 pm NBS South Down U20 Championship

Ballyholland v Saval      R Barry


Mayobridge v Rostrevor   PJ Cunningham


Ballymartin v Burren     N Cousins
Title: South Down Reserve League
Post by: 5 Sams on November 24, 2008, 02:47:30 PM
It would be remiss of me not pass on my congratulations to fellow clubman, fellow board member and player manager of our reserve team on their magnificent win against red hot favourites Rostrevor in the South Down Reserve league Final.. Well done Wobbler....oh and there was also a lot of expert input on the line from Goldenyears ;).....great result lads. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 24, 2008, 02:50:39 PM
5Sams

is that the first round of games in the South Down U20s?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 24, 2008, 02:51:48 PM
Can anyone post the East Down fixtures for the week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 24, 2008, 03:20:58 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 24, 2008, 02:50:39 PM
5Sams

is that the first round of games in the South Down U20s?

Yep thats it Squareball...it was postponed from last week because it clashed with the Abbey/College McRory game.


It looks like a few teams have pulled out as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 03:27:49 PM
bitta what is the story with your 08 manager?

was he assaulted? and if so is the powers at be going to suspend the culprits or just brush it under the carpet?

let's make a stand and rid our clubs of this abuse of people ! suspend the culprits ! show leadership and be role models for society !!!

managers should not be assaulted and the culprits not facing suspension from our association. i hope there is leadership on this issue and the cowards get punished , they would probably be the type on the pitch who would have wing mirrors!! i hope your club carries out a full investigation and the culprit dealt with. we don't need people like that in our association.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 24, 2008, 04:16:38 PM
Are you refering to me?our manager wasnt assaulted,think ur lookin for a Warrenpoint man?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 04:20:47 PM
what about warrenpoint?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 04:31:03 PM
bitta after intermediate final a few beers and an assault on manager !!!!!

manager leaves surely this man should have not been subject to this !! top points ever for the club in div 2 an inter med final !!

ur club is a disgrace!!!

this is not the way gaels treat people !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on November 24, 2008, 04:32:21 PM
bit harsh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 04:33:07 PM
harsh and a disgrace
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 04:36:07 PM
bitta after intermediate final a few beers and an assault on manager !!!!!

manager leaves surely this man should have not been subject to this !! top points ever for the club in div 2 an inter med final !!

ur club is a disgrace!!!

this is not the way gaels treat people !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 24, 2008, 05:02:27 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 24, 2008, 01:16:16 PM
Quote from: passedit on November 24, 2008, 12:23:20 PM
I thought you were the man with the Bredagh fixation Imagine?

DF, thats what I'm led to believe, maybe Imagine or some of the bredagh lads can confirm. Drumaness are also looking AFAIK.

Any truth in the rumour that St Johns will not be joining the fray in Div 3 next year?
Passedit, fixation it is not but intrigued as to the goings on in our near neighbours.Is Frank Wilson staying with us or maybe heading home to Lamh Dhearg,now they are relegated ?

Staying on according to the impeccable source that is my young fella.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 05:12:44 PM
what is the going rate at moment for club managers?

are the most of them teachers?

i know not all but let's go through all the clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 24, 2008, 05:24:10 PM
brilliant, your back!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Gael on November 24, 2008, 05:26:11 PM
He must have fallen off the wagon  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 05:33:49 PM
well i am back that is for sure !!

all my fans can look forward to the insightful , direct and fair approach from the gael.

feel free to ask me my opinion on anything and i'll not disappoint oh yes the gael has returned!!



                       the gael takes no prisoners !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on November 24, 2008, 06:13:11 PM
"Annaclone and Drumgath have let be known they will be needing new Managers."

Where are you getting this information from interested?  Our season only just finished on Friday past and there was definitley nothing mentioned about needing new managers for next year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 06:15:37 PM
cloneman the gaa doesnt work the way  you think the inner circle in your club want a change and have let the feelers out for a new manager.

not the ideal way of doing it but that is the way it goes if no one better comes along the management stays the same !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 24, 2008, 06:20:49 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 24, 2008, 04:31:03 PM
bitta after intermediate final a few beers and an assault on manager !!!!!

manager leaves surely this man should have not been subject to this !! top points ever for the club in div 2 an inter med final !!

ur club is a disgrace!!!

this is not the way gaels treat people !!!
Quote from: thegael on November 24, 2008, 04:36:07 PM
bitta after intermediate final a few beers and an assault on manager !!!!!

manager leaves surely this man should have not been subject to this !! top points ever for the club in div 2 an inter med final !!

ur club is a disgrace!!!

this is not the way gaels treat people !!!

Way to emphasise a point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on November 24, 2008, 06:36:38 PM
Who is this idiot and how did he register ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on November 24, 2008, 06:48:53 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on November 24, 2008, 06:36:38 PM
Who is this idiot and how did he register ???

Bigger fool than you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 06:54:08 PM
now now our dear little niall i suggest should stick to his soccer and his gambling !










                         the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 24, 2008, 07:50:41 PM
Thegale

where have you been hiding this past while back?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 07:53:19 PM
i was away fishing !

but i'm back so any views squareball neded feel free to ask the gael.













         the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 24, 2008, 08:13:19 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 24, 2008, 05:33:49 PM
well i am back that is for sure !!

all my fans can look forward to the insightful , direct and fair approach from the gael.

feel free to ask me my opinion on anything and i'll not disappoint oh yes the gael has returned!!



                       the gael takes no prisoners !!

When are you going to f**k off again?  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 08:51:01 PM
downfanatic or whatever you are called i suggest you try and get your club a defensive coach or something  ,your senior team conceded more than ballykinler and the 'fin in less games what was it 399 points worth .

honest to goodness you need a coach to work on your defence and your team would be better spent sorting that out.
get in touch with  the county board office and find out if there are any coaches available to sort this out .

conceding around 400 points worth of scores in one season says it all.

so get on the job fella and sort out things nearer to home.
A.C.F.L. Division 2

Team Dundrum
22           games played
1            game won
21           games lost
0            drawn
210        points for
399        points against
-189       difference
2           points

DUNDRUM RELEGATED




                                                                    the gael takes no prisoners !!



 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 24, 2008, 08:55:46 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 24, 2008, 07:53:19 PM
i was away fishing !

but i'm back so any views squareball neded feel free to ask the gael.













         the gael takes no prisoners!

I suggest you get a spelling coach :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 09:00:22 PM
 for cormac et al

downfanatic or whatever you are called i suggest you try and get your club a defensive coach or something  ,your senior team conceded more than ballykinler and the 'fin in less games what was it 399 points worth .

honest to goodness you need a coach to work on your defence and your time would be better spent sorting that out.
get in touch with  the county board office and find out if there are any coaches available to sort this out .

conceding around 400 points worth of scores in one season says it all.

so get on the job fella and sort out things nearer to home.
A.C.F.L. Division 2

Team Dundrum
22           games played
1            game won
21           games lost
0            drawn
210        points for
399        points against
-189       difference
2           points

DUNDRUM RELEGATED




                                                                    the gael takes no prisoners !!



 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 24, 2008, 09:07:50 PM
You seem to have a bad typing stutter Gael, that or you are void of original or meaningful points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on November 24, 2008, 09:16:49 PM
Good to have you back Gael after your prolonged sulk, as you can see things have not improved during your absence, so a lot of work awaits you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 09:34:00 PM
pangurban  thank you for your  welcome back and yes a lot of work to be done.

"interested" you must have multiple names or dundrum has multiple posters not defenders mind you they conceded around 400 points worth of scores in the league and 20 points worth in 1 championship match !! this surely must be some kind of record , a defensive coached badly needed!!!!



well folks i must say it is great to back near you all again and to be in the position to influence you all.

where do i start pangurban?

so much to deal with !!!



                                     the gael takes no prisoners !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 24, 2008, 09:38:20 PM
   A start and end for the gael.Just press the off button on your computer and then get your parents to set
your alarm for school in the morning.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 09:48:47 PM
wobbler i have gone through your previous posts and quite frankly i think you are insane.

you dont seem capable of posting rational comments and either copy and paste or max out on a couple of sentences.

you really do take me to the fair and here is the deal - either  have a point to  make or make  a request to  the gael for guidance on certain issues or just read here and dont contribute



                                                     the gael takes no prisoners!.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 24, 2008, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 24, 2008, 09:34:00 PM
pangurban  thank you for your  welcome back and yes a lot of work to be done.

"interested" you must have multiple names or dundrum has multiple posters not defenders mind you they conceded around 400 points worth of scores in the league and 20 points worth in 1 championship match !! this surely must be some kind of record , a defensive coached badly needed!!!!



well folks i must say it is great to back near you all again and to be in the position to influence you all.

where do i start pangurban?

so much to deal with !!!



                                     the gael takes no prisoners !!!

Stutter stutter zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on November 24, 2008, 10:12:44 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 24, 2008, 08:51:01 PM
downfanatic or whatever you are called i suggest you try and get your club a defensive coach or something  ,your senior team conceded more than ballykinler and the 'fin in less games what was it 399 points worth .

honest to goodness
Quote from: thegael on November 24, 2008, 09:34:00 PM
pangurban  thank you for your  welcome back and yes a lot of work to be done.

"interested" you must have multiple names or dundrum has multiple posters not defenders mind you they conceded around 400 points worth of scores in the league and 20 points worth in 1 championship match !! this surely must be some kind of record , a defensive coached badly needed!!!!



well folks i must say it is great to back near you all again and to be in the position to influence you all.

where do i start pangurban?

so much to deal with !!!



                                     the gael takes no prisoners !!!
and your team would be better spent sorting that out.
get in touch with  the county board office and find out if there are any coaches available to sort this out .

conceding around 400 points worth of scores in one season says it all.

so get on the job fella and sort out things nearer to home.
A.C.F.L. Division 2

Team Dundrum
22           games played
1            game won
21           games lost
0            drawn
210        points for
399        points against
-189       difference
2           points

DUNDRUM RELEGATED




                                                                    the gael takes no prisoners !!



 




Bad stutter there Gael!!

We can all read, so don't be making the same point over and over again please!!

Regarding Dundrum's performances, I think they deserve credit for reaching Div 2, and although they found the going tough this year, the experience will stand to them in the future!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 10:14:35 PM
THE gael is back and waiting for all your requests for advice and guidance!


Quite simply  -  THE GAEL'S ADVICE CLINIC IS NOW OPEN !!

Dundrum already have benefitted from this and you too can get this advice free - yes THE GAEL HAS RETURNED.

Buy into the gael's way and you will receive the benefits very quickly.






                                                    the gael takes no prisoners !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 24, 2008, 10:19:47 PM
has anyone heard anything about the start date for the u20s, or when it is likely to be? there was an e-mail stating it would start when all the play offs were settled, they seem to be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 10:25:12 PM
well well  looking after his little east down friend well fiontinoys (nobody can ever spell it correct) you are some set up winning 5 league games and the biggest jokers about , well disipline seems an issue here .

apparently their underage coaches hit the opposition underage players!

so the gael is hoping for a more robust approach to disipline in your club in the coming year and not brushing things under the carpet !

i could go on but i'll take a break so yes disipline  is the main concern for  in the coming year!

                                                   the gael takes no prisoners !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 24, 2008, 10:28:11 PM
  This board is bollocked now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 10:37:31 PM
typical wobbler post 5 words!!






                                         the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on November 24, 2008, 11:06:22 PM
Great another interweb WUM. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 24, 2008, 11:12:26 PM
the gael has no time for soccer heads and west brits.


good bye stiff wind


                                                       the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 24, 2008, 11:37:23 PM
who is this guy?he's some craic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 25, 2008, 08:25:53 AM
Quote from: east down gael on November 24, 2008, 11:37:23 PM
who is this guy?he's some craic.
He's off the wall, or should that be he should be taken out and bounced repeatedly off a wall!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on November 25, 2008, 09:09:38 AM
Quote from: interested on November 23, 2008, 10:02:24 PM
Annaclone and Drumgath have let be known they will be needing new Managers.As for the rates,I don't think
you'll see that written here.

Drumgath Arent looking a new manager, Mickey is taking over for another year ;D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 25, 2008, 09:32:27 AM
I live to regret the day I asked 'the gael' when he was going to f**k off. My bad.  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 25, 2008, 10:08:34 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 25, 2008, 09:32:27 AM
I live to regret the day I asked 'the gael' when he was going to f**k off. My bad.  :o

No worries you probably won't hear from him for a day or 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on November 25, 2008, 11:27:57 AM
That fella is flat out mental.  When he gets back someone be sure to ask his advice on the doseage he is on?  It needs to be upped or even lowered, cause whatever its at now, its just not working.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on November 25, 2008, 12:12:26 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 24, 2008, 10:25:12 PM
well well  looking after his little east down friend well fiontinoys (nobody can ever spell it correct) you are some set up winning 5 league games and the biggest jokers about , well disipline seems an issue here .

apparently their underage coaches hit the opposition underage players!

so the gael is hoping for a more robust approach to disipline in your club in the coming year and not brushing things under the carpet !

i could go on but i'll take a break so yes disipline  is the main concern for  in the coming year!

                                                   the gael takes no prisoners !


The old grammar wouldn't be the best there Gael!!

Try spelling it, it's spelt the way it sounds.

FON----TEN----OYS!!

There you go, Simple!! Just Like you!! ;)

As for your point on our underage trainers hitting juveniles, I don't understand why you made it plural, as it was an isolated incident, that occured with ONE coach!
Think you need to get the facts right!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 25, 2008, 12:59:34 PM
I wonder if thegael could advise the shamrocks on the best approach of removing Paddy Branniff from the Down junior management role?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on November 25, 2008, 01:22:09 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 25, 2008, 12:59:34 PM
I wonder if thegael could advise the shamrocks on the best approach of removing Paddy Branniff from the Down junior management role?
???Im confused, why would they do that?  There was talk about this on the hoganstand place, some fella said there were a load of people opposing paddy getting the job fo another year. but didnt suggest who else could/would do it! or is the next in line gona be ronan sheehan following his good work with the minor b team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on November 25, 2008, 01:24:40 PM
whatever it is thegael is on i want some of it!

df/dundrumite, what did dundrum do on him?

he seems to have a problem with darragh as well. dont know what the reason is. i always thought darragh werent a bad crowd.

maybe he just has a problem with everybody?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 25, 2008, 01:43:19 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on November 25, 2008, 01:22:09 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 25, 2008, 12:59:34 PM
I wonder if thegael could advise the shamrocks on the best approach of removing Paddy Branniff from the Down junior management role?
???Im confused, why would they do that?  There was talk about this on the hoganstand place, some fella said there were a load of people opposing paddy getting the job fo another year. but didnt suggest who else could/would do it! or is the next in line gona be ronan sheehan following his good work with the minor b team?

now don't quote me on this  ;)  but I think the Newry delegate at the hurling board meeting wanted a search for a new manager for the juniors and a heated debate ensued with no resolution. i also don't think he was the only one to voice his concerns.

The next thing was that Paddy Branniff was ratified at the full county board meeting without a whimper. PB then boned the sons of the Newry delegate who are both on the junior panel about their Da not wanting him to manage the team with a frank exchange of vewpoints, so someone had been talking out of shop and it wasn't the Ballygalget delegate as he wasn't there that night.

It's all getting messy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 25, 2008, 01:51:47 PM
johnycool  i am not too up to speed with the hurling scene but i am seeking out the facts and opinions of trusted advisors on this one.

in cases like these i would be concerned with the motivation of those involved even yourself and sometimes petty club vendettas can come into play as i am aware paddy braniff and you are club mates. i need more time to delve into this and will give my detailed  attention.

i will report back as soon as i have all the facts and will make judgement then and deal out my advice then.


                                              the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 25, 2008, 02:20:39 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on November 25, 2008, 01:24:40 PM
whatever it is thegael is on i want some of it!

df/dundrumite, what did dundrum do on him?

he seems to have a problem with darragh as well. dont know what the reason is. i always thought darragh werent a bad crowd.

maybe he just has a problem with everybody?

I think hes just a twisted wee c*#!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 25, 2008, 02:33:34 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 25, 2008, 01:51:47 PM
johnycool  i am not too up to speed with the hurling scene but i am seeking out the facts and opinions of trusted advisors on this one.

in cases like these i would be concerned with the motivation of those involved even yourself and sometimes petty club vendettas can come into play as i am aware paddy braniff and you are club mates. i need more time to delve into this and will give my detailed  attention.

i will report back as soon as i have all the facts and will make judgement then and deal out my advice then.


                                              the gael takes no prisoners!


Like yourself thegael i only deal in facts and the points that I raise are all well know to someone in the 'inner circle'.
I have no axe to grind with PB, the Newry delegate or club but I do think the hurling board as an entity is useless and meaningless and the points that i raise only highlight that fact.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on November 25, 2008, 02:39:33 PM
Was the use of the word 'boned' a typo? If it wasnt what does it mean? ive said it before, but its all very well saying pb shouldnt be in charge anymore or the like, but people cant stand up and say 'we dont want him' without having a suitable replacement.  I dont know of anyone who could do it, maybe you'd have a go yourself jonnycool?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 25, 2008, 03:37:27 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on November 25, 2008, 02:39:33 PM
Was the use of the word 'boned' a typo? If it wasnt what does it mean? ive said it before, but its all very well saying pb shouldnt be in charge anymore or the like, but people cant stand up and say 'we dont want him' without having a suitable replacement.  I dont know of anyone who could do it, maybe you'd have a go yourself jonnycool?

no boned wasn't a typo, it normally means to confront or the likes, you should maybe try 'boning' Danny hogg and see how you get on!!

TBH. I don't know an awful lot about what happens in the junior set up but from what I hear from people directly involved (not PB might i add) and it seems shambolic, i.e. no changing facilities at some of the places they train, physio's bench outside even in the dark and sometimes drizzle and the likes.
i don't think PB could be blamed for the likes of that, maybe he could be seen to be complicit by accepting such crap, but what I don't understand is that our reserves encounter a lot of good hurlers from the 'mainland' (f**k i hate that term!) who for whatever reason don't participate at junior level. Maybe they can't commit but there seems to be a fair smattering of disaffected players not in Paddy's clique. Our reserves are quite poor at the minute and they'd give our seniors far better games than this years club semi-final, so something is wrong!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ballybredagh on November 25, 2008, 05:01:44 PM
Down Junior Hurling debate. There's no doubting Paddy B's commitment and integrity when it comes to Down hurling, but I believe that it wouldn't do any harm having a fresh face in the management Down Junior's management team, even if it meant Paddy acting as a mentor for this person and continuing to be involved as a co-manager.  I'd agree with my club colleague that there has to be a role for Ronan Sheehan, given his success with the Non-Ards minor teams over recent years (a number of the players from these teams have already made the step up to the Juniors and I'm sure a few more would come on board, including some of our own younger players, if Ronan was involved. The word "odd" comes to mind when it comes down to how these younger lads relate to strangers!).  Also, from what I've seen of JohnnyCool's postings, and if he is who I think he is, he would surely bring something to the table; so why not get JohnnyCool involved too.  Could you work with Paddy JC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ExiledGael on November 25, 2008, 05:30:31 PM
Presume you'll get as far as Ballygawley roundabout so I'll explain from there, it's pretty simple.
Take the turn off for Enniskillen/Augher and travel through Augher, Clogher, Fivemiletown. All a good straight road, shouldn't have any bother. When you're approaching Enniskillen (hour maximum from Ballygawley) travel straight into town past new Tesco on left until you come to Gaol Square, major junction in middle of town, Dunnes is on the right and you're turning right for Irvinestown along front of Dunnes.
Less than half a mile out that road you take a left for the hospital/cinema and Brewster Park. Traffic will be crammed at that stage so park up anywhere near Dunnes and you've a less than 10 minute walk to the ground.
Make sure you've 12 quid for the Ulster Council!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on November 25, 2008, 05:32:54 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 24, 2008, 11:12:26 PM
the gael has no time for soccer heads and west brits.


good bye stiff wind


                                                       the gael takes no prisoners!

I have no time for individuals who try to make a name for themselves over the interweb, or individuals who refer to themselves in the third person. The only reson you are on here is you're not fast enough to catch any of them mourne mountain goats for a good time for yourself . Attention seekers are a sad thing to behold.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 25, 2008, 05:44:22 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on November 25, 2008, 05:32:54 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 24, 2008, 11:12:26 PM
the gael has no time for soccer heads and west brits.


good bye stiff wind


                                                       the gael takes no prisoners!

I have no time for individuals who try to make a name for themselves over the interweb, or individuals who refer to themselves in the third person. The only reson you are on here is you're not fast enough to catch any of them mourne mountain goats for a good time for yourself . Attention seekers are a sad thing to behold.

Aww well at least he has got some activity started on the board again. Every cloud having a silver lining and all that craic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 25, 2008, 06:21:43 PM
 What is the crack with Darragh and their manager? Fisty cuffs or what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 25, 2008, 06:23:56 PM
i agree dundrumite.this fella isnt the most subtle,but he does generate a bit of craic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 25, 2008, 06:33:31 PM
Quote from: east down gael on November 25, 2008, 06:23:56 PM
i agree dundrumite.this fella isnt the most subtle,but he does generate a bit of craic.

Im glad to see that a hearty gale (Gael) has been blowing through the board over the past 24 hours! Noone else has voiced an opinion on my post last week reference funding for the intercounty players grant scheme - do our nothern players also benefit from this and is all the funding coming from the public purse of the Dail. Maybe one for or own Assembly now that they're back to work!
Any opinion TheGael?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 25, 2008, 06:42:15 PM
i'm not the gael,merely a gael,but i'll answer your question.yes,inter-county players in the north,both hurling and football pick up a cheque based on how far they progress in their respective championship.all these grants are funded by the irish sports council which in turn is funded by dail eireann and dail eireann alone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 25, 2008, 08:20:01 PM
east down gael, thanks for your clarification. Im not sure what to think of that. I assume that includes London Irish. And possibly in the future other non native soil teams. If I was a member of a cash strapped sports club in the South (say a soccer club), I might be a bit p****d off that a team in say London was getting support from my local sports council when there wasnt enough to support my irish club!! Its maybe a big indicator of the support of the Irish govt for the GAA (which should now be expected given the income tax that is collected from the pay of all the officials in HQ)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 25, 2008, 08:41:23 PM
by london irish i presume you mean the london county team which takes part in the connaught and ulster championships.i am not too sure if they,or the new york team,recieve the grant.at a guess i would say they do not.the inter county players recieve this grant due to the contribution they make to the promotion of culture in this country through the playing of our indigenous games.this is not my opinion or me saying i agree with the grants but simply the argument put forward for there coming into being in the first place.inter county players from all thirty two counties all make this contribution therefore they all recieve the grant,irrespective of what political jurisdiction they fall under(north or south).
   i see what you mean about the soccer club,but bear in mind that this grant is awarded to the players,not to the team,and it is for their contribution to a championship which takes place in Ireland.
  i just would like to reitterate that none of the above are my personal opinions,they are solely the reasons i understand the grants came into being.
 
     
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 25, 2008, 10:36:07 PM
it is yeah,sorry.i was just answering the question daddylonglegs asked,but i do see what you mean.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 25, 2008, 10:47:13 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 25, 2008, 06:21:43 PM
What is the crack with Darragh and their manager? Fisty cuffs or what?

no truth whatsoever,sure look at who the source of this story was.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 25, 2008, 11:32:19 PM
bitta banter  the gael doesnt lie.


after the intermediate final the manager was hit ,  do not try and brush this under the carpet, it happened it is a disgrace .

your would be cleverness by trying to deflect does not sit well with the gael.

it did happen! ur club should be ashamed of themselves a good guy who did his best for you taking you to a final , getting your maximum points ever in div 2 .


as a club i would be an admirer a progressive club, good facilities and a lot more.

but your club members know about this incident and are choosing to brush it under the carpet .

go and do your own investigations about that night in question and you will find the gael has it spot on. the manager was cowardly slapped.


                                                   the gael takes no prisoners !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 26, 2008, 09:07:58 AM
There used to be a Down discussion thread over here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on November 26, 2008, 09:43:08 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 25, 2008, 03:37:27 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on November 25, 2008, 02:39:33 PM
Was the use of the word 'boned' a typo? If it wasnt what does it mean? ive said it before, but its all very well saying pb shouldnt be in charge anymore or the like, but people cant stand up and say 'we dont want him' without having a suitable replacement.  I dont know of anyone who could do it, maybe you'd have a go yourself jonnycool?

no boned wasn't a typo, it normally means to confront or the likes, you should maybe try 'boning' Danny hogg and see how you get on!!

TBH. I don't know an awful lot about what happens in the junior set up but from what I hear from people directly involved (not PB might i add) and it seems shambolic, i.e. no changing facilities at some of the places they train, physio's bench outside even in the dark and sometimes drizzle and the likes.
i don't think PB could be blamed for the likes of that, maybe he could be seen to be complicit by accepting such crap, but what I don't understand is that our reserves encounter a lot of good hurlers from the 'mainland' (f**k i hate that term!) who for whatever reason don't participate at junior level. Maybe they can't commit but there seems to be a fair smattering of disaffected players not in Paddy's clique. Our reserves are quite poor at the minute and they'd give our seniors far better games than this years club semi-final, so something is wrong!
You've met the hogg havnt you.  Do you think im mental?  'Boning' the hogg is the last thing i want to do, in both senses of the word.  I was about the panel for a bit the past couple of years and it is true, there are some fairly large and obvious 'cliques' that are hard to get into.  Your man McIntyre would strugle to get into them.  Its seriously off-putting when your playing against some of these players on a weekly, or rather monthly basis and doing well against them, then when you go to the juniors the people you have been doing better than are getting ahead and your not even getting a look in.  My main critisism is that i didnt see PB at one of our games last year, although i wasnt up at the galget match, but still, how is he meant to know how good people are if he a) isnt giving them a chance and 2) dsnt see them playing for their club.  Shit, now i sound bitter, and im really not.  I just think the juniors have a lot of potential and could do well given the right support and guidance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: real food, real people on November 26, 2008, 09:47:57 AM
Things are bleak for all things GAA in Down when 'the gael' is the main contributor on the discusion board
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on November 26, 2008, 10:34:43 AM
Quote from: thegael on November 25, 2008, 11:32:19 PM
bitta banter  the gael doesnt lie.


after the intermediate final the manager was hit ,  do not try and brush this under the carpet, it happened it is a disgrace .

your would be cleverness by trying to deflect does not sit well with the gael.

it did happen! ur club should be ashamed of themselves a good guy who did his best for you taking you to a final , getting your maximum points ever in div 2 .


as a club i would be an admirer a progressive club, good facilities and a lot more.

but your club members know about this incident and are choosing to brush it under the carpet .

go and do your own investigations about that night in question and you will find the gael has it spot on. the manager was cowardly slapped.


                                                   the gael takes no prisoners !

Looking at the Darragh forum there is no mention of any row.  Sounds like 'the gael' is talking sh1te.

http://darraghcrossgac.myfastforum.org/Senior_Football_Manager_about62.html
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 26, 2008, 10:37:04 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 26, 2008, 09:07:58 AM
There used to be a Down discussion thread over here.

i hear there is more sense being talked on the hogan stand!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 26, 2008, 11:59:53 AM
Quote from: wobbller on November 25, 2008, 11:24:55 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on November 25, 2008, 10:47:13 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 25, 2008, 06:21:43 PM
What is the crack with Darragh and their manager? Fisty cuffs or what?

no truth whatsoever,sure look at who the source of this story was.

No smoke without fire.

yeah people said no smoke without fire about a well ducumented incident where a Warrenpoint player was supposed to have been jumped by several Clan na Banna men at a nightclub,but that turned out to be a load of balls too.

Any word on clubs gettin new managers or clubs on the lookout??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on November 26, 2008, 12:17:36 PM
any word on who the celebrity is for the new series of celebrity banisiteor for our county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whacker on November 26, 2008, 12:25:24 PM
Quote from: The Corporal on November 26, 2008, 12:17:36 PM
any word on who the celebrity is for the new series of celebrity banisiteor for our county?

Derek Davis
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 26, 2008, 12:33:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 26, 2008, 09:07:58 AM
There used to be a Down discussion thread over here.

Who are you having a pop at here? :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on November 26, 2008, 12:55:37 PM
think derek davis was born and brought up in bangor, must be a st.pauls fan......... :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on November 26, 2008, 01:02:46 PM
Quote from: st pauls mcgrath on November 26, 2008, 12:55:37 PM
think derek davis was born and brought up in bangor, must be a st.pauls fan......... :D
Whos derek davis when he's at home?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 26, 2008, 02:00:47 PM
(http://dynimg.rte.ie/00017240096r.jpg)

I think a few of the Glassdrumman boys thought it was Big Tom when he walked into the changing room :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 26, 2008, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on November 26, 2008, 12:33:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 26, 2008, 09:07:58 AM
There used to be a Down discussion thread over here.

Who are you having a pop at here? :-\

It is easy to see the eleven plus is over and these people have alot of time on their hands.

From reading todays mourne Observer it appears that the County Minor Management has been reinstated for 2009 - was it not said that they had quit after the Omagh debacle?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whacker on November 26, 2008, 04:20:59 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on November 26, 2008, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on November 26, 2008, 12:33:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 26, 2008, 09:07:58 AM
There used to be a Down discussion thread over here.

Who are you having a pop at here? :-\

It is easy to see the eleven plus is over and these people have alot of times on their hands.

From reading todays Irish News it appears that the County Minor Management has been reinstated for 2009 - was it not siad that they had quit after the Omagh debacle?

Who is the minor management??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 26, 2008, 04:22:24 PM
Turley, Kennedy, Morgan etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 26, 2008, 05:11:23 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on November 26, 2008, 04:22:24 PM
Turley, Kennedy, Morgan etc.
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on November 26, 2008, 04:22:24 PM
Turley, Kennedy, Morgan etc.

etc being Mc Garry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 26, 2008, 06:46:42 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on November 26, 2008, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on November 26, 2008, 12:33:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 26, 2008, 09:07:58 AM
There used to be a Down discussion thread over here.

Who are you having a pop at here? :-\

It is easy to see the eleven plus is over and these people have alot of time on their hands.

From reading todays mourne Observer it appears that the County Minor Management has been reinstated for 2009 - was it not said that they had quit after the Omagh debacle?

Well if in the Mourne Observer it MUST be true! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 26, 2008, 07:19:40 PM
bitta banter

you are still trying to cover up by relating to other clubs . the 08 manager was assaulted . do your own investigations and i'm sure you do know it is true .
please dont bring in other clubs as a deflection it is a disgrace what happened to the manager
bitta banter  the gael doesnt lie.


after the intermediate final the manager was hit ,  do not try and brush this under the carpet, it happened it is a disgrace .

your would be cleverness by trying to deflect does not sit well with the gael.

it did happen! ur club should be ashamed of themselves a good guy who did his best for you taking you to a final , getting your maximum points ever in div 2 .


as a club i would be an admirer a progressive club, good facilities and a lot more.

but your club members know about this incident and are choosing to brush it under the carpet .

go and do your own investigations about that night in question and you will find the gael has it spot on. the manager was cowardly slapped.





                                                     the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 26, 2008, 07:25:59 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on November 26, 2008, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on November 26, 2008, 12:33:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 26, 2008, 09:07:58 AM
There used to be a Down discussion thread over here.

Who are you having a pop at here? :-\

It is easy to see the eleven plus is over and these people have alot of time on their hands.

From reading todays mourne Observer it appears that the County Minor Management has been reinstated for 2009 - was it not said that they had quit after the Omagh debacle?

Omagh wasn't a debacle last year Spirit. The team lost it in the final quarter after controlling much of the game up until that point. Down didn't have a fantastic team last term but they still pushed Tyrone all the way. Tyrone went on to win an All Ireland. Their team was also littered with Hogan Cup winning medalists.

I think your gripe is the fact that Bryansford had no representation on the panel last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 26, 2008, 07:44:32 PM
DF, I think that the 2008 minors were a good team, well trained by your clubmate, but poorly managed.Look at the number of senior first-team players on the panel.Tyrone were there for the taking on the day and we didn't take them.In 2006 and 2007 the team underperformed .This re-appointment is not good news.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 26, 2008, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 26, 2008, 09:07:58 AM
There used to be a Down discussion thread over here.


the gael remembers the day when newry had gaa clubs and they tried to win trophies  - now they have drinking clubs and they are all trying to win X FACTOR trophies !

god help the gaa in down now when one of our centres of population are only interested in drinking and  X factor type competitions especially the ones who are outside of newry ballyholland social club formerly a gaa club!!




                                             the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 26, 2008, 08:34:50 PM
 I take grave exception to this comment.It's trying times in this day and age and a bit of harmless
fun cheers the community up.Would you rather they were out drinking on street corners or beating
up pensioners(fatally as happened in Ballykinlar)?What is your problem with life?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 26, 2008, 08:54:06 PM
the gael remembers the day when newry had gaa clubs and they tried to win trophies  - now they have drinking clubs and they are all trying to win X FACTOR trophies !

god help the gaa in down now when one of our centres of population are only interested in drinking and  X factor type competitions especially the ones who are outside of newry ballyholland social club formerly a gaa club!!



wobbler there is no need to take exception to this just go out and try and get your club back competing in sport not drinking and harmless fun for god sake man get a grip x factor holy smoke what is next!

i suppose  your club has accepted defeat in trying to progress in sport so as i said earlier yes as an example  ballyholland social not gaa club. i see ballyholland won only 3 games all year in the league the gael rests his case!


                      the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 26, 2008, 09:19:13 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 26, 2008, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 26, 2008, 09:07:58 AM
There used to be a Down discussion thread over here.


the gael remembers the day when newry had gaa clubs and they tried to win trophies  - now they have drinking clubs and they are all trying to win X FACTOR trophies !

god help the gaa in down now when one of our centres of population are only interested in drinking and  X factor type competitions especially the ones who are outside of newry ballyholland social club formerly a gaa club!!




                                             the gael takes no prisoners!

Away back to Primary school dickhead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 27, 2008, 01:30:51 AM
Fao the gael, what club are you from???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 27, 2008, 08:29:19 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 27, 2008, 01:30:51 AM
Fao the gael, what club are you from???
It has to be an after school club... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 27, 2008, 09:06:47 AM
well well the bridge men rallying around b/holland it is amazing all these x factor clubs looking out for each other.and guess what they put great efforts into videos and websites oh they are so modern and sophisticated but WHERE IS THEIR CHARACTER?

the bridge well what can one say county titles but never had the character to mount a challenge for ulster need a few big men with steel.


jackie's apostle mickey doesnt seem to have cut the ice  a tip for the bridge get a steady pair of hands in , cut out the x factor and try and create role models for your youth away from this mad carnival of drinking your club seems to be so proud of!


                                              the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 27, 2008, 09:37:42 AM
 I reckon it's a rehab Club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on November 27, 2008, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 27, 2008, 01:30:51 AM
Fao the gael, what club are you from???

Quote from: thegael on November 27, 2008, 09:06:47 AM
well well the bridge men rallying around b/holland it is amazing all these x factor clubs looking out for each other.and guess what they put great efforts into videos and websites oh they are so modern and sophisticated but WHERE IS THEIR CHARACTER?

the bridge well what can one say county titles but never had the character to mount a challenge for ulster need a few big men with steel.


jackie's apostle mickey doesnt seem to have cut the ice  a tip for the bridge get a steady pair of hands in , cut out the x factor and try and create role models for your youth away from this mad carnival of drinking your club seems to be so proud of!


                                              the gael takes no prisoners!

Answer T O Hare's question Gael, what club are you?

Or maybe you don't have a club!

No one would have ya!! Slabber!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 27, 2008, 10:38:13 AM
i'm not going to delve into the gael's club let's leave it as a mourne club.

the gael is here to run an advice clinic - no club is without it's issues the gael is here to deal with those issues eg

b/holland - x factor  drinking issuse lack of will to succeed on the playing fied .the sophisticated" newry" club won 3 league games out of 22 recreational footballers ulster council running a course on that very soon!

fontinonys won 5 out of 22 and have major disiplinary issues to deal with and not brush under the carpet - the role model issue here , mentors as role model etcc..

the bridge - more energy put into websites etc.. best web site in ulster , their senior team lack of steel character need a new man in instead of burren belfast jackie's apostle miickie . a culture of drink carnivals all day drinking encouragement to carry on this tradition

'the cross - manager being slapped in bar after leading them to a final and max number of div 2 points . brushed under the carpet and the cowards getting off with it a bit like the issue in the past of overage players and so forth .

petty inter club rivalry used as a pretext for the advancement of hurling by damning great  gaa man pb with faint praise yes my sources tell me south down gallantly lost to nicky rackard finalists louth and that issuses of player welfare were hurling board issues .

the gael could on and will, so throw up to the gael all your problems and the gael's advice clinic will give you your answers.....




                                  the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on November 27, 2008, 10:44:08 AM
Quote from: thegael on November 26, 2008, 08:54:06 PM
the gael remembers the day when newry had gaa clubs and they tried to win trophies  - now they have drinking clubs and they are all trying to win X FACTOR trophies !

god help the gaa in down now when one of our centres of population are only interested in drinking and  X factor type competitions especially the ones who are outside of newry ballyholland social club formerly a gaa club!!



wobbler there is no need to take exception to this just go out and try and get your club back competing in sport not drinking and harmless fun for god sake man get a grip x factor holy smoke what is next!

i suppose  your club has accepted defeat in trying to progress in sport so as i said earlier yes as an example  ballyholland social not gaa club. i see ballyholland won only 3 games all year in the league the gael rests his case!


                      the gael takes no prisoners!


Ive figured out who thegael is.  He is batman's long suffering sidekick, Robin.  Holy smoke it took me a while, but got there in the end.  I thinik the problem have 'thegael', is that people dont want to listen to someone who isnt willing to back up their critisism with proof that they have it all together. i like you though. good craic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Off The Fence on November 27, 2008, 10:48:28 AM
So what club are you from "the gael"

Should be "the muppet" more like
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 27, 2008, 10:53:30 AM
Quote from: Ballybredagh on November 25, 2008, 05:01:44 PM
Down Junior Hurling debate. There's no doubting Paddy B's commitment and integrity when it comes to Down hurling, but I believe that it wouldn't do any harm having a fresh face in the management Down Junior's management team, even if it meant Paddy acting as a mentor for this person and continuing to be involved as a co-manager.  I'd agree with my club colleague that there has to be a role for Ronan Sheehan, given his success with the Non-Ards minor teams over recent years (a number of the players from these teams have already made the step up to the Juniors and I'm sure a few more would come on board, including some of our own younger players, if Ronan was involved. The word "odd" comes to mind when it comes down to how these younger lads relate to strangers!).  Also, from what I've seen of JohnnyCool's postings, and if he is who I think he is, he would surely bring something to the table; so why not get JohnnyCool involved too.  Could you work with Paddy JC?

Paddy can be a strange brew and not condusive to other peoples opinions why may be contrary to his own, well that's how i find him anyway and if i am who you think I am ( 8) ) you'll also know that i have opinions on most things and ditto Ronan and IMO that wouldn't work especially now that the shamrocks have shown their hand on paddy's appointment.
This issue is also complicated by the fact that Paddy is a full time coach in Down and there may be ties in there to the junior job but once thegael does his fact finding we'll know for sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 27, 2008, 10:55:05 AM
thegael, whats your take on each of the top four teams in Division 2 this year. Also be interested to hear your views on Burren.

enlighten us all with your wisdom and wit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: its me again on November 27, 2008, 11:12:00 AM
i would also be interested on the gaels take on the league final

also the lack of representation from some top clubs on the county panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 27, 2008, 11:25:17 AM
good morning brick and welcome to the clinic , as i am running against time here regarding other duties i will be short and  sweet on what you asked.

top 4 teams in down div 2  this year were warrenpoint, bryansford, annaclone and banbridge

warrenpoint-  i give them a good but could do better.
next year could tell a tale but fair dues to them.
at underage level i would worry about the scourge of soccer taking their players , but overall thay are getting it fair enough.

bryansford - walked the league basically and a well done to them . i must applaud their work at underage level and they seem to be getting it right.the newry clubs and downpatrick could learn from them as they are an urban type club.

annaclone- good club, managerial issues and commitee issues in relation to their ulster intermed involvement and the issue of trying to win matches in the appeals room, win it on the pitch boys. thay are a good club, great spirit essentially the gael salutes annaclone.

banbridge - great set up i salute them they are swimming against the tide and doing great. looking at their progress i give them my vote as club of the year. they could teach the newry clubs and downpatrick a few lessons.fantastic progress and not satisfied with not doing their best - great set up.


burren- a sleeping giant and great that their ex playing icons are back involved at underage level. their choice of manager from   "russia" left a lot to be desired , i'm sure that will be sorted for 09 season a new manager.
pity that they could not  adhere to the down parish rule though with mc cartans from saval parish playing for them and the othe rmc cartan  chap who lives in warrenpoint. that was quite sickening for a lot of down people in hindsight mayobridge would have been a better choice for the ex tullylish crew.!!
but overall burren are coming back and great to see it..


                                             the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 27, 2008, 11:40:45 AM
Steady on lads we're working the oracle too hard..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 27, 2008, 11:48:25 AM
Sounds like users are warming to 'the gael'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 27, 2008, 12:06:47 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 26, 2008, 08:54:06 PM
the gael remembers the day when newry had gaa clubs and they tried to win trophies  - now they have drinking clubs and they are all trying to win X FACTOR trophies !

god help the gaa in down now when one of our centres of population are only interested in drinking and  X factor type competitions especially the ones who are outside of newry ballyholland social club formerly a gaa club!!



wobbler there is no need to take exception to this just go out and try and get your club back competing in sport not drinking and harmless fun for god sake man get a grip x factor holy smoke what is next!

i suppose  your club has accepted defeat in trying to progress in sport so as i said earlier yes as an example  ballyholland social not gaa club. i see ballyholland won only 3 games all year in the league the gael rests his case!


                      the gael takes no prisoners!


Its AnsyM back in disguise!!!! the kingdom were poor this year!!! ;D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 27, 2008, 12:59:35 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 27, 2008, 11:55:30 AM
gael,any insight into clubs in East Down other than those on your hate list(leitrim and darragh cross)?
he loves the Cross really.
Quote from: T O Hare on November 27, 2008, 12:06:47 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 26, 2008, 08:54:06 PM
the gael remembers the day when newry had gaa clubs and they tried to win trophies  - now they have drinking clubs and they are all trying to win X FACTOR trophies !

god help the gaa in down now when one of our centres of population are only interested in drinking and  X factor type competitions especially the ones who are outside of newry ballyholland social club formerly a gaa club!!



wobbler there is no need to take exception to this just go out and try and get your club back competing in sport not drinking and harmless fun for god sake man get a grip x factor holy smoke what is next!

i suppose  your club has accepted defeat in trying to progress in sport so as i said earlier yes as an example  ballyholland social not gaa club. i see ballyholland won only 3 games all year in the league the gael rests his case!


                      the gael takes no prisoners!


Its AnsyM back in disguise!!!! the kingdom were poor this year!!! ;D :D :D

think you cud be right there,he did say he was a mourne man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 27, 2008, 03:22:33 PM
gael what is your insight into the rgu,kilclief,ardglass and surrounding teams.....?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on November 27, 2008, 03:25:49 PM
Quote from: its me again on November 27, 2008, 11:12:00 AM
i would also be interested on the gaels take on the league final

also the lack of representation from some top clubs on the county panel?

Any reason thegael did not answer this question?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on November 27, 2008, 04:56:39 PM
 He's back in jail.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 27, 2008, 07:15:04 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 27, 2008, 09:06:47 AM
well well the bridge men rallying around b/holland it is amazing all these x factor clubs looking out for each other.and guess what they put great efforts into videos and websites oh they are so modern and sophisticated but WHERE IS THEIR CHARACTER?



                                              the gael takes no prisoners!

thegael, whats your problem with websites & videos and other things "modern & sophisticated". Maybe you haven't noticed but the most of us have moved on from changing behind ditches and using docks as wipes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on November 27, 2008, 09:59:17 PM
Gael this Machine Gun approach, trying to hit too many targets, weakens your arguments however valid. Pick a target, take aim and fire, then maybe we can have a rational discussion which will benefit everyone. BTW i am with all the way on the abuse of Alcohol in GAA clubs, i would go further and ban its sale entirely except for special occasions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on November 27, 2008, 10:01:51 PM
The Gael may take no prisoners, but he seems to rub everyone up the wrong way. I think he is making a very good point, but he should not be slagging off half the clubs in the county to make his point. Look at the work that has gone on in Ballyholland, the new stand is a credit to them and they have great facilities up there, I could go on listing the great work done by clubs all over the county, but I would be here all day.
Where I would actually agree with The Gael is on things like the X Factor and the attitude of some individuals involved with the county team. For some it seems that it is enough for them just to make the team, there seems to be a don`t care attitude when it comes to winning on the field where it matters. The bit of fame brought by being a county star is enough for some of the panel. Playing for Down should be a privlege, an honour. Winning should be the be all and end all. If you want to dress up as Britney Speers or Tina Turner, wait until your playing days are over. It would be much better to appear on a local X FActor as an All Ireland medal winner than as a third division player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 28, 2008, 09:25:31 AM
agreed, what are they thinking, trying to raise money for charity! shame!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on November 28, 2008, 03:34:52 PM
Where is Gael today and all of his endless knowledge!!


Quote from: lfdown2 on November 28, 2008, 09:25:31 AM
agreed, what are they thinking, trying to raise money for charity! shame!


Them county boys should have a bit of sense!! They should catch themselves on, never socialise, and never try to do any good for anyone!! Tut tut!! :P :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on November 28, 2008, 03:39:09 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on November 28, 2008, 03:34:52 PM
Where is Gael today and all of his endless knowledge!!


Quote from: lfdown2 on November 28, 2008, 09:25:31 AM
agreed, what are they thinking, trying to raise money for charity! shame!


Them county boys should have a bit of sense!! They should catch themselves on, never socialise, and never try to do any good for anyone!! Tut tut!! :P :P :P :P :P

Aye it's a disgrace that these modern day footballers are not thinking about football 247, they should be in bed by 9 o'clock with a good hot water bottle.  There is plenty of time for xfactor, drinking, wimen and all that kind of carry on when they have retired from football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on November 28, 2008, 05:51:50 PM
This down Gaa thread has decended into a joke. I'm not sure whats worse The gael coming on and trying to be the centre of attention or the fact that so many pricks are asking him questions and actually looking his advice!!! Then there are those who are saying " ah this place is some craic now with the gael posting here" !!!!! WTF get a life you losers go and talk to people face to face and have some craic ! PUT DOWN THE KEYBOARD AND TRY SPEAKING TO PEOPLE FOR A CHANGE.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 28, 2008, 08:33:24 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on November 28, 2008, 05:51:50 PM
This down Gaa thread has decended into a joke. I'm not sure whats worse The gael coming on and trying to be the centre of attention or the fact that so many pricks are asking him questions and actually looking his advice!!! Then there are those who are saying " ah this place is some craic now with the gael posting here" !!!!! WTF get a life you losers go and talk to people face to face and have some craic ! PUT DOWN THE KEYBOARD AND TRY SPEAKING TO PEOPLE FOR A CHANGE.



Use of "WTF" weakens your point in your quest for a more serious discussion board. Hghly ironic
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on November 28, 2008, 08:41:00 PM
I used to enjoy the discussion about football before it ended a few days back.  Any chance of getting back to it.

Ford v Point - what do people think?
Bryansford have walked the league at a canter with a few hiccups here and there.  I still feel they'll have too much for a relatively inexperienced Warrenpoint outfit.  The point are probably delighted to have gained promotion (I think Christmas has come very early for them) but thats as far as it goes cause they'll be straight back down next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 28, 2008, 10:48:56 PM
I don't know if anyone seen it but this week's Down Recorder carried a peice regarding the proposed new League structures for 2009. This proposal is to be put forward at Convention for the clubs to vote on. It was very badly worded and in parts is quite ambiguous.

'The county competitions control committee have looked at the club structure in respect of the various leagues in the county and are putting forward a recommendation for discussion and hopefully clearance at the county convention next month.
They are recommending that Divisions 1 and 2 consist of 10 teams each and that Divisions 3 and 4 have 12 teams each. County panellists and dual players that come from clubs in these Divisions will be affected by the 'starred' system.
In each of the four divisions the team which finishes in first place after the ordinary round stages will go through to the league final. They will be automatically promoted if they top divisions 2 to 4. The teams finishing in second and third places will play off to compete in the league final.
The winners of the final in Divisions 2 to 4 inclusive will be promoted. The team finishing bottom of divisions 1 to 3 will be automatically relegated while the two teams above them will play off with the loser being relegated.
The winner of the PRFL will play in Division 4 the following year. After their year in this division they will revert to the PRFL the next year with the new PRFL winners moving up.
If a PRFL team wins Division 4 they will not be promoted and will revert back to the Reserve League the following season.
Among the advantages of the new League structures would be a reduction in the number of 'starred' games and hence more players will be available for club games.
It will reduce the number of times a club will be required to play two games a week. It will give the CCC more flexibility in arranging both League and Championship fixtures. It will ease the burden on the majority of duel players, it will provide more flexibility to county team panellists and to county team managers and it will put an end to the score difference system in operation at present.'


By the way, this board has gone to the dogs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on November 28, 2008, 11:14:12 PM
I really would prefer going back to the old way of things where the winner of the League going up (or winning like Div.1) , along with 2nd place and the bottom two going down.

This should apply to all Divisions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on November 28, 2008, 11:27:29 PM
Re.proposed new league structures, they appear eminently sensible and an improvement on current situation, cant see why anyone would want to oppose them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 29, 2008, 09:55:04 AM
a lot of sence in that DF, but was this similar to what was proposed two years ago and was defeted? at least the team that tops the division will be crowned champions. If this does get the go ahead what will the divisions look like? w
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on November 29, 2008, 10:20:00 AM
I think the idea about the reserve team going up to div4 is a good idea, although the team that goes up could find it more comfortable over the course of a season than playing in the prfl, i dont know.  but i dont understand why it cant just be top two go up, bottom two go down.  Simplistic maybe, but it gives clubs an aim, instead of trying to do just enough to get to the playoffs and then having a big push then.  IMO it forces clubs to go hard from the start because they wont have the safety net of the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on November 29, 2008, 10:49:08 AM
Quote from: imagine on November 28, 2008, 06:24:18 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on November 28, 2008, 05:51:50 PM
This down Gaa thread has decended into a joke. I'm not sure whats worse The gael coming on and trying to be the centre of attention or the fact that so many pricks are asking him questions and actually looking his advice!!! Then there are those who are saying " ah this place is some craic now with the gael posting here" !!!!! WTF get a life you losers go and talk to people face to face and have some craic ! PUT DOWN THE KEYBOARD AND TRY SPEAKING TO PEOPLE FOR A CHANGE.


You've had 164 post yourself so what are you slabbering about? """ Pricks ,losers! """ Wind your neck in.It's all a bit of fun

All a bit off fun!? point proven.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on November 29, 2008, 10:50:46 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 28, 2008, 08:33:24 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on November 28, 2008, 05:51:50 PM
This down Gaa thread has decended into a joke. I'm not sure whats worse The gael coming on and trying to be the centre of attention or the fact that so many pricks are asking him questions and actually looking his advice!!! Then there are those who are saying " ah this place is some craic now with the gael posting here" !!!!! WTF get a life you losers go and talk to people face to face and have some craic ! PUT DOWN THE KEYBOARD AND TRY SPEAKING TO PEOPLE FOR A CHANGE.



Use of "WTF" weakens your point in your quest for a more serious discussion board. Hghly ironic


You're use of Hghly whatever that means shows that you are a mungo!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 29, 2008, 12:34:35 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on November 29, 2008, 10:50:46 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 28, 2008, 08:33:24 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on November 28, 2008, 05:51:50 PM
This down Gaa thread has decended into a joke. I'm not sure whats worse The gael coming on and trying to be the centre of attention or the fact that so many pricks are asking him questions and actually looking his advice!!! Then there are those who are saying " ah this place is some craic now with the gael posting here" !!!!! WTF get a life you losers go and talk to people face to face and have some craic ! PUT DOWN THE KEYBOARD AND TRY SPEAKING TO PEOPLE FOR A CHANGE.



Use of "WTF" weakens your point in your quest for a more serious discussion board. Hghly ironic



You're use of Hghly whatever that means shows that you are a mungo!

Touche..... :-[ Though mungo? "WTF"?  ;)

DF are you sure that would come into play for 2009? Teams that got promoted and other teams whom worked hard to stay in a division may not be overly pleased to being demoted a division, without this knowledge from the previous year. Certainly worth considering as the problems of club leagues in Down have being highlighted before. Winners of leagues certain of promotion would certainly make it more competitive at the top end of the divisions. Division 4 certainly needs a shake up with the two winners of the previous years doing in undefeated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 29, 2008, 05:48:51 PM
this debate seems to occur almost every year,with little ever seeming to come of it.certainly automatic promotion for winning your division would be a welcome addition,it seems ridiculous that a team could win their league out of sight yet be denied promotion due to a playoff system.however,bar that one change,i do not see that there is too much wrong with the league structures as they are.
   teams that gain promotion do struggle in the higher division,but this makes sense as they are up against a higher quality of opposition week in week out.for example,bryansford won nearly all matches at a stroll in div 2 this year but will find it much harder next year.similarly st johns were rarely troubled but will get it alot tighter next season.that to me is just the nature of league football,there will be the elite in the league who will beat everyone bar each other,the chasing pack who can cause the occasional upset,then those who fight relegation.occasionally there will be a whipping boy.i can't think of a system that will change this.
   fair enough the leagues took a long time to complete this year,but would this not be the exception to the rule in recent years?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 29, 2008, 05:54:47 PM
also,i wouldnt like to see the winner of the acprfl entering division 4.as someone has already stated they would be playing at a lesser standard.also they could hamper the development of a club coming out of the league.no matter what anyone says about top 13,10 etc,when it comes to a big game then big guns can be rolled out.i couldnt see the reserve teams going for it anyway,but i hope it doesnt happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 29, 2008, 08:53:20 PM
Quote from: east down gael on November 29, 2008, 05:54:47 PM
also,i wouldnt like to see the winner of the acprfl entering division 4.as someone has already stated they would be playing at a lesser standard.also they could hamper the development of a club coming out of the league.no matter what anyone says about top 13,10 etc,when it comes to a big game then big guns can be rolled out.i couldnt see the reserve teams going for it anyway,but i hope it doesnt happen.

I agree but maybe for slightly different reasons. I dont know the history of the PRFL but assume it was set up to provide competitive football to those population centres who had the players to field more than one team. And thats the way it should stay!! What a motivation for a player starved club in Div 4 to be beaten by a thirds team. That would really rally the troups in the changing rooms. And the answer isnt "well the Div 4 clubs have to get their house in order" - the fact is that no club wants to be in Div 4- they are there because of a number of factors,the main one being numbers.

Also, if the standard isnt good enough in Div 4, how about bucking them into Div 3 or Div 2 - there would be a few interesting games including St John Vs St Johns!
So for me its a Big Big NO NO and will lead to the weakest Clubs in Div 4 who are already struggling (for success) hanging up their boots completely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on November 29, 2008, 09:18:06 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 29, 2008, 09:55:04 AM
a lot of sence in that DF, but was this similar to what was proposed two years ago and was defeted? at least the team that tops the division will be crowned champions. If this does get the go ahead what will the divisions look like? w

Bar the PRFL winners going into divsion 4 (Mayobridge won it this year and would demoralise the opposition) these proposals make a lot of sense for many reasons. Your point about proposals like this being defeated two years ago is true, but the problem is the County board has never made any attempt to advocate and canvass for change. The matter was discussed little and the clubs and views were not sought in any meaningful way. If the county board is serious about these proposals, they should be forcefully arguing their case and not just ruck up on some random monthly meeting expecting everyone to row in behind it.

Whilst I would like these proposals to be ratified as quickly as possible, it must be too late for 2009. Clubs that have been promoted or avoided relegation have a legitimate expectation. These proposals should be set out at the start of a league campaign when everyone knows where they stand, not at the end. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 30, 2008, 11:33:00 AM
It will be interesting to see what happens at the next county board meeting. So if I am reading it correctly there will be 2 teams in essence being de-moted from div1 this will mean 4 dropping out of div 2 (existing 12 plus the 2 from div 1) div 3 will then loose 5 into div 4?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on November 30, 2008, 11:47:40 AM
I see Ciaran Brannigan getting a slating on the Tyrone section for the way he refereed the Ulster Intermediate final between Trillick and Greenlough the other night.

Quote from: clarshack on November 29, 2008, 09:34:10 PM
congratulations trillick - well done. heard our old friend kieran brannigan from down was the ref and he made a balls of it. remember he was the ref who sent off a couple of tyrone minors this year and a few harps men a couple of years back.

Quote from: FermPundit on November 29, 2008, 09:50:55 PM
Well done to Trillick tonight. I don't think I have ever been as cold at a match before. Trillick were the better side throughout and they were worthy winners. Matthew Donnelly is a great young talent and I'm sure he has a big future ahead of him.

Quote from: clarshack on November 29, 2008, 09:34:10 PM
congratulations trillick - well done. heard our old friend kieran brannigan from down was the ref and he made a balls of it. remember he was the ref who sent off a couple of tyrone minors this year and a few harps men a couple of years back.

The referee made some strange calls tonight but in fairness his interpretation of the rules was applied the same to both sides.

I always thought he wasn't the worst ref but still prone to the odd major mistake.  Also feel he is getting a bit of a head about himself since he is now going up through the ranks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 30, 2008, 04:52:47 PM
Warrenpoint Beat Bryansford today in An Ricoht to be promoted as Div 2 Champions on a scoreline of 13 Pts to 1-9

Game was quite an entertaining tit-for-tat affair with the Point Deservedly winning in the end with a show of phenomenal work rate and character.

Bryansford will be shattered after losing a league title that looked to be in their back pocket for most of the season.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 30, 2008, 06:34:09 PM
QuoteBryansford will be shattered after losing a league title that looked to be in their back pocket for most of the season.
We've been involved in  a number of these games over the past decade and from my experience, winning division II doesn't matter a whole pile to the players; getting promotion is what really matters. I'd make a strong wager that Warrenpoint celebrated more wholeheartedly last weekend than they will tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 30, 2008, 07:25:10 PM
id beg to differ mainly due to the fact that This time last year Wpt were in a bottom 4 playoff and nearly got relegated, only just survived, then lost the spine of their team for one reason or another and now find themselves 12 months down the line as Div2 Champions and getting promoted, nobody give them a chance this season and probably not today so fair dues i say. Quite a remarkable turnaround i think.id wager more that they will celebrate alot more tonight than they did last week,also considering the fact that they rarely lift any silverware.

as for Bryansford id still say they will be very disappointed with the end to their season and judging by reports from inside the club all is not well in Newcastle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on November 30, 2008, 09:51:21 PM
Fair play to the point.  From having a few seasons of underachievement to Division 2 champions.  You cant fault that.

Taking in a few clubmen including ET Mc Givern and the Boyles da seems to have worked.  They seemed to have developed a real spirit this year and really need to keep this going.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on November 30, 2008, 09:53:07 PM
Think the new proposals will just cause more confusion next year, just leave the leagues the way they are and just have simple 2 up 2 down. In division 1 top 2 play off for the trophy. Any team coming from PRFL will walk div 4 and it would be interesting to see how far some of those sides could actually go, would mayobridge 2nds make it all the way to division 2 ?? Anyone??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on November 30, 2008, 10:11:05 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on November 29, 2008, 09:18:06 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 29, 2008, 09:55:04 AM
a lot of sence in that DF, but was this similar to what was proposed two years ago and was defeted? at least the team that tops the division will be crowned champions. If this does get the go ahead what will the divisions look like? w

Bar the PRFL winners going into divsion 4 (Mayobridge won it this year and would demoralise the opposition) these proposals make a lot of sense for many reasons. Your point about proposals like this being defeated two years ago is true, but the problem is the County board has never made any attempt to advocate and canvass for change. The matter was discussed little and the clubs and views were not sought in any meaningful way. If the county board is serious about these proposals, they should be forcefully arguing their case and not just ruck up on some random monthly meeting expecting everyone to row in behind it.

Whilst I would like these proposals to be ratified as quickly as possible, it must be too late for 2009. Clubs that have been promoted or avoided relegation have a legitimate
expectation. These proposals should be set out at the start of a league campaign when everyone knows where they stand, not at the end. 



I agree with this point that the standard in PRFL 1 is a lot higher than that of Div 4! Teams like the bridge would hammer teams in Div 4, and not only would this demoralise Div 4 teams, you would be depriving the likes of the bridge competitive football for 12 months until they return to PRFL the year after.

Another point would be, when are these games going to be played? Friday nights, when the 1st team of the promoted club to Div 4 is in action as well. Surely the 2nds players of any club, are also boys on the fringes of the 1st team, and in some cases might start, or at least provide cover.
I agree with the new league structures, but I think the Premier Reserve Leagues should be left as they are!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on November 30, 2008, 10:32:12 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 28, 2008, 10:48:56 PM
I don't know if anyone seen it but this week's Down Recorder carried a peice regarding the proposed new League structures for 2009. This proposal is to be put forward at Convention for the clubs to vote on. It was very badly worded and in parts is quite ambiguous.

Who exactly is putting this motion forward?  Has it come from a certain club or the County Board?  I would be surprised if it came from the County Board, if it is so badly worded and ambigious.  Surely they wouldn't put forward proposals that are not completely water tight, judging by their track record of making mistakes in the past.

I agree that we should go back to the 2 up, 2 down.  Just the way it used to be and what harm did it do us or the standard of our club football.  I also wouldn't be too fussed on the idea of a clubs reserve team playing in the 4th division.  This would totally demoralise clubs and would do nothing to promote our games in some 'weaker ' clubs.  I wonder what will happen at Convention.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on November 30, 2008, 10:55:36 PM
Regarding the proposal to have PRFL teams playing in Div 4, it doesnt really matter who is putting it forward - it would be more interesting to know why it is being put forward. And if Div 4 isnt strong enough why isnt Div 3 or Div 2 considered - some of the PRFL teams could certainly compete at the top of Div 3.

If we really want to provide competitive football for everyone, why not limit team numbers to say 20 (named players) and any club who can field an additional 20 named players can enter two teams in the mainstream league structures - ie do away with PRFL completely but also players cant play for two teams.

Otherwise leave it as it is (which is probably my preferred solution)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on December 01, 2008, 11:43:05 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on November 30, 2008, 10:55:36 PM
Regarding the proposal to have PRFL teams playing in Div 4, it doesnt really matter who is putting it forward - it would be more interesting to know why it is being put forward. And if Div 4 isnt strong enough why isnt Div 3 or Div 2 considered - some of the PRFL teams could certainly compete at the top of Div 3.
If we really want to provide competitive football for everyone, why not limit team numbers to say 20 (named players) and any club who can field an additional 20 named players can enter two teams in the mainstream league structures - ie do away with PRFL completely but also players cant play for two teams.

Otherwise leave it as it is (which is probably my preferred solution)


your some crack, Mayobridge PR footballers would do well against the likes of Glassdrumman ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on December 01, 2008, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: imagine on December 01, 2008, 12:35:38 PM
Quote from: SQUAREBALL on December 01, 2008, 11:43:05 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on November 30, 2008, 10:55:36 PM
Regarding the proposal to have PRFL teams playing in Div 4, it doesnt really matter who is putting it forward - it would be more interesting to know why it is being put forward. And if Div 4 isnt strong enough why isnt Div 3 or Div 2 considered - some of the PRFL teams could certainly compete at the top of Div 3.
If we really want to provide competitive football for everyone, why not limit team numbers to say 20 (named players) and any club who can field an additional 20 named players can enter two teams in the mainstream league structures - ie do away with PRFL completely but also players cant play for two teams.

Otherwise leave it as it is (which is probably my preferred solution)


your some crack, Mayobridge PR footballers would do well against the likes of Glassdrumman ;)
Let the Convention sorted it out.There'll be enough people there to
get a fair and proper solution that suits the majority.
Well lets hope the majority get the chance to have a debate and that a solution is found because if not football in Down will be taking a back seat to the rest off the counties in Ulster who appreicate the roles off clubs and their club players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 01, 2008, 01:47:59 PM
The ambiguity I was referring to on the language of the report centres around the starred system and the introduction of a PRFL team.
Firstly, the report doesn't explicitly state that the starred system will affect all Divisions. Depending on your interpretation, I took it that the starred system would only affect Divisions 3 and 4.
Secondly, if the proposals come to fruition this will be the lineup of  the Divisions:

1 - Mayobridge, Kilcoo, Rostrevor, Castlwellan, Burren, Clonduff, Loughinisland, Longstone, Saval and Liatroim
2 - An Riocht, Ballyholland, Bryansford, Annaclone, Warrenpoint, Banbridge, Shamrocks, Ballymartin, Darragh Cross, Atticall
3 - Tullylish, Downpatrick, Kilclief, Dundrum, Glasdrumman, Ardglass, Bredagh, Carryduff, Drumgath, Drumaness, Saul, St Pauls
4 - Glenn, Teconnaught, Bosco, St Michaels, Mitchels, St Johns, Aghaderg, Dromara, Bright, Ballykinlar, Aughlisnafin, Mayobridge II's

Now, what happens if Mayobridge II's win Division 4. We know they cannot be promoted so does this mean that only one other team from Div 4 will get promoted or will two teams go up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 01, 2008, 01:59:13 PM
These things are all about perspective. Is it really a bigger honour for seconds footballers to play at the lowest grade of senior football, than at the highest grade of seconds football? I don't think so. Certainly, in terms of competitiveness, this isn't even a choice.

If you want your seconds team to have solid, competitive football every week - and therefore be of a benefit to your senior team - you would surely do everything you could to ensure they didn't win the reserve league and get "promoted" to division IV.

By the way, i'd say Mayobridge's ACPRFC winning team would have given anyone in the IFC a hell of a run for their money, even Annaclone. Considering that the Championship rules out up to a dozen players who might be available for league football, I'd put the Bridge's seconds in Division II overall in terms of ability.


Perspective is also a strange thing for all these people who want to scrap the play-offs. I've a very straightforward opinion on league football given the starred system - finishing top of your league should only give you the right to see if you're good enough to get promoted, and not a right to get promoted. Gaining 38 points in Division II might mean you're a better team than Division II standard, but if you can't win 2 out of 3 in the play-offs against full-strength teams, then you won't be good enough for Division I.

Instead of seeing the league programme as a way of getting promoted, it should be seen as a way of gauging what level you belong at. Then comes the test.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on December 01, 2008, 03:08:09 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 01, 2008, 01:47:59 PM
The ambiguity I was referring to on the language of the report centres around the starred system and the introduction of a PRFL team.
Firstly, the report doesn't explicitly state that the starred system will affect all Divisions. Depending on your interpretation, I took it that the starred system would only affect Divisions 3 and 4.
Secondly, if the proposals come to fruition this will be the lineup of  the Divisions:

1 - Mayobridge, Kilcoo, Rostrevor, Castlwellan, Burren, Clonduff, Loughinisland, Longstone, Saval and Liatroim
2 - An Riocht, Ballyholland, Bryansford, Annaclone, Warrenpoint, Banbridge, Shamrocks, Ballymartin, Darragh Cross, Atticall
3 - Tullylish, Downpatrick, Kilclief, Dundrum, Glasdrumman, Ardglass, Bredagh, Carryduff, Drumgath, Drumaness, Saul, St Pauls
4 - Glenn, Teconnaught, Bosco, St Michaels, Mitchels, St Johns, Aghaderg, Dromara, Bright, Ballykinlar, Aughlisnafin, Mayobridge II's

Now, what happens if Mayobridge II's win Division 4. We know they cannot be promoted so does this mean that only one other team from Div 4 will get promoted or will two teams go up?
Jesus when its put out like that football in East Down needs to be worked on, Div3 looks like an East Down section, although i would be all on for that a few meaty matches there....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on December 01, 2008, 03:12:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 01, 2008, 01:59:13 PM
These things are all about perspective. Is it really a bigger honour for seconds footballers to play at the lowest grade of senior football, than at the highest grade of seconds football? I don't think so. Certainly, in terms of competitiveness, this isn't even a choice.

If you want your seconds team to have solid, competitive football every week - and therefore be of a benefit to your senior team - you would surely do everything you could to ensure they didn't win the reserve league and get "promoted" to division IV.

By the way, i'd say Mayobridge's ACPRFC winning team would have given anyone in the IFC a hell of a run for their money, even Annaclone. Considering that the Championship rules out up to a dozen players who might be available for league football, I'd put the Bridge's seconds in Division II overall in terms of ability.


Perspective is also a strange thing for all these people who want to scrap the play-offs. I've a very straightforward opinion on league football given the starred system - finishing top of your league should only give you the right to see if you're good enough to get promoted, and not a right to get promoted. Gaining 38 points in Division II might mean you're a better team than Division II standard, but if you can't win 2 out of 3 in the play-offs against full-strength teams, then you won't be good enough for Division I.

Instead of seeing the league programme as a way of getting promoted, it should be seen as a way of gauging what level you belong at. Then comes the test.

hit the nail on the head there wobbler. i think the system is fine as it is. the only change i would make is to ensure that leagues are finished while the ground is still reasonably good. playoff system is fair enough, but a seasons football shouldnt be decided on a mucky field in weather that leaves players only able to kick the ball about 30 yards!!! as far as i can see that is the main problem raised by everybody.

i also think they should leave premier reserve football as it is, all those teams would be too strong for division4 and most of division 3.

what they do need to do is sort out the divisional reserve leagues, ie where thirds teams and lesser seconds teams play. it has been an ongoing joke for the past 3 years.


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just wondering. would it be feasible to put all the better division 4 teams up into division 3 and then have a basement division where the remaining division 4 teams play against 3rds teams and poorer 2nds teams (i.e. teams currently in south down and east down reserve leagues). there would be no promotion but clubs who have a first team in the division could apply to join the leagues when they feel ready. at least then there would be competitive football on a regular basis. or would this not be fair on the bottom division 4 teams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on December 01, 2008, 04:21:55 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on December 01, 2008, 03:12:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 01, 2008, 01:59:13 PM
These things are all about perspective. Is it really a bigger honour for seconds footballers to play at the lowest grade of senior football, than at the highest grade of seconds football? I don't think so. Certainly, in terms of competitiveness, this isn't even a choice.

If you want your seconds team to have solid, competitive football every week - and therefore be of a benefit to your senior team - you would surely do everything you could to ensure they didn't win the reserve league and get "promoted" to division IV.

By the way, i'd say Mayobridge's ACPRFC winning team would have given anyone in the IFC a hell of a run for their money, even Annaclone. Considering that the Championship rules out up to a dozen players who might be available for league football, I'd put the Bridge's seconds in Division II overall in terms of ability.


Perspective is also a strange thing for all these people who want to scrap the play-offs. I've a very straightforward opinion on league football given the starred system - finishing top of your league should only give you the right to see if you're good enough to get promoted, and not a right to get promoted. Gaining 38 points in Division II might mean you're a better team than Division II standard, but if you can't win 2 out of 3 in the play-offs against full-strength teams, then you won't be good enough for Division I.

Instead of seeing the league programme as a way of getting promoted, it should be seen as a way of gauging what level you belong at. Then comes the test.

hit the nail on the head there wobbler. i think the system is fine as it is. the only change i would make is to ensure that leagues are finished while the ground is still reasonably good. playoff system is fair enough, but a seasons football shouldnt be decided on a mucky field in weather that leaves players only able to kick the ball about 30 yards!!! as far as i can see that is the main problem raised by everybody.

i also think they should leave premier reserve football as it is, all those teams would be too strong for division4 and most of division 3.

what they do need to do is sort out the divisional reserve leagues, ie where thirds teams and lesser seconds teams play. it has been an ongoing joke for the past 3 years.


********
just wondering. would it be feasible to put all the better division 4 teams up into division 3 and then have a basement division where the remaining division 4 teams play against 3rds teams and poorer 2nds teams (i.e. teams currently in south down and east down reserve leagues). there would be no promotion but clubs who have a first team in the division could apply to join the leagues when they feel ready. at least then there would be competitive football on a regular basis. or would this not be fair on the bottom division 4 teams?

Someone has to come last.  Even if you took the bottom 3 teams out of division 4 (which only leaves 3 teams) and put the rest in 3 you would probably find the bottom team might struggle to get 8 points all year.  Do you then say this team should be in the reserve league...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on December 01, 2008, 05:39:43 PM
what i would propose would be having a division below the third, call it a junior division.

at the minute we have a division 4 thats a bit of a joke.

we also have a south down reserve league thats a complete joke (im not sure about the east down reserve league). in the south down reserve league we have about 5 teams that want to compete, the others play the first few games then gradually fold.

there are reserve teams such as ballyholland, clann na banna, Ballymartin, attical, dundrum etc who are decent reserve teams but just not strong enough for premier reserve. we could therefore move them into a new junior division together with the senior teams that arent strong enough for division 3. there would be no promotion, but any senior teams can apply to join division 3 if they think they are strong enough. this would lead to those reserve teams getting regular football while giving the other teams the chance to play some competitive matches which will hopefully let them improve.

its just an idea. i dont even know if it would be feasible. but i do think it is an area of football that the county board needs to look at rather than tinkering around with what is largely a decent league structure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on December 01, 2008, 06:13:51 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 30, 2008, 07:25:10 PM
id beg to differ mainly due to the fact that This time last year Wpt were in a bottom 4 playoff and nearly got relegated, only just survived, then lost the spine of their team for one reason or another and now find themselves 12 months down the line as Div2 Champions and getting promoted, nobody give them a chance this season and probably not today so fair dues i say. Quite a remarkable turnaround i think.id wager more that they will celebrate alot more tonight than they did last week,also considering the fact that they rarely lift any silverware.

as for Bryansford id still say they will be very disappointed with the end to their season and judging by reports from inside the club all is not well in Newcastle.

Bryansford are promoted thats what they wanted but we lost our management team yesterday after the game, this is unfortunate but Burnsey has given us 7 years as trainer and manager and we thank him for that - we will have a look at it this week and an appointment will be made soon.
But our club is bigger than any one player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 01, 2008, 07:46:13 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on December 01, 2008, 06:13:51 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 30, 2008, 07:25:10 PM
id beg to differ mainly due to the fact that This time last year Wpt were in a bottom 4 playoff and nearly got relegated, only just survived, then lost the spine of their team for one reason or another and now find themselves 12 months down the line as Div2 Champions and getting promoted, nobody give them a chance this season and probably not today so fair dues i say. Quite a remarkable turnaround i think.id wager more that they will celebrate alot more tonight than they did last week,also considering the fact that they rarely lift any silverware.

as for Bryansford id still say they will be very disappointed with the end to their season and judging by reports from inside the club all is not well in Newcastle.

Bryansford are promoted thats what they wanted but we lost our management team yesterday after the game, this is unfortunate but Burnsey has given us 7 years as trainer and manager and we thank him for that - we will have a look at it this week and an appointment will be made soon.
But our club is bigger than any one player.

Sounds like a case of sour grapes, Spirit?

I posted a question a while back about a fall out in Bryansford which resulted in a few poor results.  There was very little response.  Maybe you could enlighten us.

Must have been disappointing yesterday.  For a team to be so dominating and beat many team with such ease yet not win the leagur must rank as underachievement.  Bryansford have been head and shoulders above the rest of the teams in Division 2 but were just lacking something yesterday.  Maybe were a little complacent?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on December 01, 2008, 08:25:45 PM
No sour grapes at all fair play to warrenpoint.
Getting back up was our aim and we acheived that - last time we came up was in 2003 and what happened? We won a SFC!!!!
Ironic when everyone is talking leagues last year we were relegated with 21 points this year liatroim stayed up with 12!! FFS.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on December 01, 2008, 08:30:15 PM
The proposal is a good one. No doubt about it. Hopefully delegates to convention will rise above the petty self-interest and vote for the general good. In some cases it will be turkeys voting for Christmas but that's just the way democracy works.

Hurling Convention is tomorrow night in Castlewellan. An awfull waste of an evening for anyone who attends.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 01, 2008, 08:44:59 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on December 01, 2008, 07:46:13 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on December 01, 2008, 06:13:51 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 30, 2008, 07:25:10 PM
id beg to differ mainly due to the fact that This time last year Wpt were in a bottom 4 playoff and nearly got relegated, only just survived, then lost the spine of their team for one reason or another and now find themselves 12 months down the line as Div2 Champions and getting promoted, nobody give them a chance this season and probably not today so fair dues i say. Quite a remarkable turnaround i think.id wager more that they will celebrate alot more tonight than they did last week,also considering the fact that they rarely lift any silverware.

as for Bryansford id still say they will be very disappointed with the end to their season and judging by reports from inside the club all is not well in Newcastle.

Bryansford are promoted thats what they wanted but we lost our management team yesterday after the game, this is unfortunate but Burnsey has given us 7 years as trainer and manager and we thank him for that - we will have a look at it this week and an appointment will be made soon.
But our club is bigger than any one player.

Sounds like a case of sour grapes, Spirit?

I posted a question a while back about a fall out in Bryansford which resulted in a few poor results.  There was very little response.  Maybe you could enlighten us.

Must have been disappointing yesterday.  For a team to be so dominating and beat many team with such ease yet not win the leagur must rank as underachievement.  Bryansford have been head and shoulders above the rest of the teams in Division 2 but were just lacking something yesterday.  Maybe were a little complacent?

The sour grapes were in relation to Eamon Burns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on December 01, 2008, 08:47:05 PM
How honest are Clubs in naming their top 13? I dont know if there is some form of check but in the past it was name as many eligible players who you knew wouldnt play football anyway thereby leaving the vast majority of your real senior team able to play reserves. Is there a vetting process or might graves still need to be opened to get the top 13 on the field?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 01, 2008, 09:40:51 PM
I've just has a look through the South Down named 13 lists for this year and most of them aren't far off the mark. Pretty much every team has 10+ first team starters on their list. Although pretty much every team has one very debatable entry too.

I could pint fingers at a couple of clubs, but that'd be nasty.

To be honest, I'd say most first team managers don't bother telling their secretaries who to put on it and who not to, meaning it's left to the judgement of the secretary - which might not always be up to date.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on December 01, 2008, 10:20:27 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 01, 2008, 09:40:51 PM
I've just has a look through the South Down named 13 lists for this year and most of them aren't far off the mark.

As a matter of interest, where did you see the lists? Are these online?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 01, 2008, 10:22:51 PM
I look after our reserves, so get a copy off our secretary each year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 01, 2008, 11:08:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 01, 2008, 09:40:51 PM
I've just has a look through the South Down named 13 lists for this year and most of them aren't far off the mark. Pretty much every team has 10+ first team starters on their list. Although pretty much every team has one very debatable entry too.

I could pint fingers at a couple of clubs, but that'd be nasty.

To be honest, I'd say most first team managers don't bother telling their secretaries who to put on it and who not to, meaning it's left to the judgement of the secretary - which might not always be up to date.


You mean to tell me that clubs don't try to get away with at least one or two men who have quit a year or two back or have notion of coming back. 

Every club has a few men like this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on December 02, 2008, 07:58:09 AM
Every club is sent a copy of the list and the right to object to anyone on it. I think there's usually a few objections.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on December 02, 2008, 10:47:11 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 01, 2008, 01:47:59 PM
The ambiguity I was referring to on the language of the report centres around the starred system and the introduction of a PRFL team.
Firstly, the report doesn't explicitly state that the starred system will affect all Divisions. Depending on your interpretation, I took it that the starred system would only affect Divisions 3 and 4.
Secondly, if the proposals come to fruition this will be the lineup of  the Divisions:

1 - Mayobridge, Kilcoo, Rostrevor, Castlwellan, Burren, Clonduff, Loughinisland, Longstone, Saval and Liatroim
2 - An Riocht, Ballyholland, Bryansford, Annaclone, Warrenpoint, Banbridge, Shamrocks, Ballymartin, Darragh Cross, Atticall
3 - Tullylish, Downpatrick, Kilclief, Dundrum, Glasdrumman, Ardglass, Bredagh, Carryduff, Drumgath, Drumaness, Saul, St Pauls
4 - Glenn, Teconnaught, Bosco, St Michaels, Mitchels, St Johns, Aghaderg, Dromara, Bright, Ballykinlar, Aughlisnafin, Mayobridge II's

Now, what happens if Mayobridge II's win Division 4. We know they cannot be promoted so does this mean that only one other team from Div 4 will get promoted or will two teams go up?

Makes a fair bit of sense that, even Mayobridge 2nds might even work as the first team squad would be in action elsewhere (making it in essence a 2nd/3rd team).

My only proviso, if they want to bring it in in 2009, would be that the 'promoted' sides from this year should get a shot at a one off playoff with the bottom two in the revised leagues (could be done a couple of weeks before the start of the regular season). Sorta like

Saval v Bryansford
Liatroim v Warrenpoint
Darragh v Carryduff
Attical v Glasdrumman
Saul v Dromara
St Pauls v Aghaderg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 02, 2008, 12:31:00 PM
 

East Down Under 20 (2008 Competition)
Date Sunday 7th  December Time 2:00pm            
Carryduff      v      Drumaness   G Brannigan      
Dun Ghláis      v      Bryansford   A Grant      
      v            
 
Bredagh      v      CastlewellanP Brownlee      
St. Mary's      v      Kilcoo   M Lynch      
Loughinisland      v      Bye      

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 02, 2008, 01:15:49 PM
lads what is your views on the Down club stars in the Irish news.. some strange decisions, Liam Coulter never conceded a goal in the championship and never got picked, Noel Sexton was the highest scorer (by a mile) and never got an award... conor garvey was picked out of position!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 02, 2008, 01:19:43 PM
can you post the team tom?? off work today and won't get a paper till later...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 02, 2008, 01:30:07 PM
1. Kieran Gordan- Louginisland
2.Gavin Barry-  Mayobridge
3. Aidan Brannigan -Kilcoo
4. Declan Burns - St johns
5. Chris mc Govern -Burren
6. Joe Doran-Loughinisland
7. Micheal Lively- Mayobridge
8. Conor Garvey- Mayobridge
9. Alan Molloy - Loughinisland POTC
10.Owen Pyers -Annaclone
11. Kevin Mc Kernan- Burren
12. Benny Coulter
13. Gerard McNulty- St Johns
14. Cathal Magee- Mayobridge
15. Adrain Barry- Mayobridge

My Gripes with this team
Liam Coulter never conceded a goal
Last i seen of Aidan Brannigan was in championship was bing sent of for hitting Eion Mc Carten who destroyed him
Conor Garvey played defence during the championship
Noel Sexton was the top scorer by a mile
Eoin Mc Carten had a great year and was the best full forward of the year

Do i sound biased???? :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on December 02, 2008, 01:41:02 PM
Tommy, did you see who wrote the article and picked the team!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 02, 2008, 01:43:39 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on December 02, 2008, 01:41:02 PM
Tommy, did you see who wrote the article and picked the team!!! ;D ;D

who??

cheers tom for putting up the team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 02, 2008, 02:42:08 PM
Jerry Quinn - is it any wonder more bridge men aren't on it.   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 02, 2008, 02:44:07 PM
 Jerry Quinn may have wrote the article but I'm sure he didn't pick it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 02, 2008, 02:50:17 PM
Quote from: wobbller on December 02, 2008, 02:44:07 PM
Jerry Quinn may have wrote the article but I'm sure he didn't pick it

Read the paper and you'll see that he did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on December 02, 2008, 02:54:17 PM
Quote from: imagine on December 02, 2008, 12:35:07 PM
Quote from: passedit on December 02, 2008, 10:47:11 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 01, 2008, 01:47:59 PM
The ambiguity I was referring to on the language of the report centres around the starred system and the introduction of a PRFL team.
Firstly, the report doesn't explicitly state that the starred system will affect all Divisions. Depending on your interpretation, I took it that the starred system would only affect Divisions 3 and 4.
Secondly, if the proposals come to fruition this will be the lineup of  the Divisions:

1 - Mayobridge, Kilcoo, Rostrevor, Castlwellan, Burren, Clonduff, Loughinisland, Longstone, Saval and Liatroim
2 - An Riocht, Ballyholland, Bryansford, Annaclone, Warrenpoint, Banbridge, Shamrocks, Ballymartin, Darragh Cross, Atticall
3 - Tullylish, Downpatrick, Kilclief, Dundrum, Glasdrumman, Ardglass, Bredagh, Carryduff, Drumgath, Drumaness, Saul, St Pauls
4 - Glenn, Teconnaught, Bosco, St Michaels, Mitchels, St Johns, Aghaderg, Dromara, Bright, Ballykinlar, Aughlisnafin, Mayobridge II's

Now, what happens if Mayobridge II's win Division 4. We know they cannot be promoted so does this mean that only one other team from Div 4 will get promoted or will two teams go up?

Makes a fair bit of sense that, even Mayobridge 2nds might even work as the first team squad would be in action elsewhere (making it in essence a 2nd/3rd team).

My only proviso, if they want to bring it in in 2009, would be that the 'promoted' sides from this year should get a shot at a one off playoff with the bottom two in the revised leagues (could be done a couple of weeks before the start of the regular season). Sorta like

Saval v Bryansford
Liatroim v Warrenpoint
Darragh v Carryduff
Attical v Glasdrumman
Saul v Dromara
St Pauls v Aghaderg
This motion is to be put to the Convention and if passed will be in operation for 2010 based on performance etc, in '09.

Any proposal passed has to be for 2010 not 2009 so that all teams know where they stand at the start of the season. e.g.  1 up and 3 down or 1 up 2 down for 2 years to make division 1 10 teams.  You can't get promoted/relegated and then the county board change the rules after the season has ended.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 02, 2008, 04:35:44 PM
I am not getting a dig at Jerry. i just dont think it should be left to one man...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 02, 2008, 04:36:03 PM
A little bit of Mayobridge history!  We can laugh at it now but I didn't know whether to laugh or cry at the end of the 2003 county final.  This is the grants punters club docket for the bet which was placed the day before the final.

(http://www.sys-sol.net/images/BridgevFord2003.jpg)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on December 02, 2008, 05:19:11 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 02, 2008, 04:35:44 PM
I am not getting a dig at Jerry. i just dont think it should be left to one man...

Think that was the point of it Tom, one mans view, 2moro one from Donegal will have hsis championship pick, dont think theirs any awards to be handed out, its just his view on the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on December 02, 2008, 06:36:21 PM
The Gael's Advice Clinic is not closed .

Thank you all for your private messages urging me to keep giving my opinions and advice - there is no need to be afraid the gael is here to stay.It is just so busy with a big case on at the moment but just be patient , i will return with my wit and wisdom very soon.





                                 THE GAEL TAKES NO PRISONERS!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on December 02, 2008, 06:38:38 PM
his view on championship? conor garvey is not a good choice at midfield. What about that murphy lad from ballyholland. Also is it for all championships or just senior?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on December 02, 2008, 09:32:53 PM
To be fair to jerry I dont think he is saying these are best players in Down in each of the respective positions - he has looked at the contributions made by particular players in the winning senior, intermediate & junior championships and threw in a few others along the way. Nothing too serious  - remember theres not much to fill the GAA back pages at this time of year so anything goes!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 02, 2008, 09:51:13 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on December 02, 2008, 02:50:17 PM
Quote from: wobbller on December 02, 2008, 02:44:07 PM
Jerry Quinn may have wrote the article but I'm sure he didn't pick it

Read the paper and you'll see that he did.
I have now read the paper and indeed Jerry did pick the team.Apologies
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on December 03, 2008, 02:36:20 PM
Ouch Amallon that had to hurt, u's boys musta put the jinks on the bridge that year. Surely tho u have had plenty of opportunities to win ur money back slowly over these past five years...Mayobridge must be undefeated in up to 25/30 games in the Down c/ship at this stage!!! how many boys paid into that fruitless wee venture back in 2003 if u don't mind me asking??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on December 03, 2008, 02:50:39 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 02, 2008, 04:35:44 PM
I am not getting a dig at Jerry. i just dont think it should be left to one man...

Unfortuante reacton from Mayobridge to the 5FM story. I thought it was an over reatcion personally.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 03, 2008, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 03, 2008, 02:50:39 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 02, 2008, 04:35:44 PM
I am not getting a dig at Jerry. i just dont think it should be left to one man...

Unfortuante reacton from Mayobridge to the 5FM story. I thought it was an over reatcion personally.

What was the reaction? Link?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on December 03, 2008, 03:01:07 PM
Was there not something in the local paper from Jerry after Maypbride took issue at a comment he made? The Bridge boys will know better. I could be off target here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on December 03, 2008, 04:24:36 PM
Which clubs are looking for new management for next year? Any rumors on who's taking who?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on December 03, 2008, 07:17:37 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 03, 2008, 03:01:07 PM
Was there not something in the local paper from Jerry after Maypbride took issue at a comment he made? The Bridge boys will know better. I could be off target here.

Mayobridge GAC had nothing to do with what jerry was referring to.  there were complaints made to five fm during commentary of the count final about comments made.  maybe it was someone from the 'bridge but not the club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on December 03, 2008, 07:21:31 PM
Quote from: Downgael2008 on December 02, 2008, 06:38:38 PM
his view on championship? conor garvey is not a good choice at midfield. What about that murphy lad from ballyholland. Also is it for all championships or just senior?

Was all three championships, there was lads on from St Johns and Annaclone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on December 03, 2008, 09:52:54 PM
Quote from: The Corporal on December 03, 2008, 04:24:36 PM
Which clubs are looking for new management for next year? Any rumors on who's taking who?


Bryansford are looking a new manager and according to Gaelic Life on Friday St Johns Bosco Newry !! Rumours today are that stephen poucher (Burren Trainer) was appointed an riocht manager ? Anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 03, 2008, 09:57:28 PM
Just doing bit of snopping and I see Downpatrick were beaten by Eirrigal in the 1993 Ulster club final. Does anybody have any idea of the score?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 04, 2008, 01:01:20 AM
After watching season ticket about Tyrone tonight, it struck me how far Down are behind.. Down need Club Down back quickly and innotative administrators onto the county board to sort out the mess !!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on December 04, 2008, 09:28:19 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 03, 2008, 09:57:28 PM
Just doing bit of snopping and I see Downpatrick were beaten by Eirrigal in the 1993 Ulster club final. Does anybody have any idea of the score?

Think they lost by a couple of goals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on December 04, 2008, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on December 03, 2008, 07:17:37 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 03, 2008, 03:01:07 PM
Was there not something in the local paper from Jerry after Maypbride took issue at a comment he made? The Bridge boys will know better. I could be off target here.

Mayobridge GAC had nothing to do with what jerry was referring to.  there were complaints made to five fm during commentary of the count final about comments made.  maybe it was someone from the 'bridge but not the club.

Fair enough, suppose someone was offended, bit harsh I thought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on December 04, 2008, 10:15:56 PM
heard dan gordon will take part in a charity boxing match around 28th december in castlewellen, a south down sinn fein fund raiser or something. anyone heard anything about this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on December 04, 2008, 11:11:57 PM
More likely an Aughnaslafin G.A.C. fundraiser, they run these tournaments every few months featuring celebrities and local characters
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on December 05, 2008, 09:16:04 AM
Dodgy umpire- heard he was not fighting at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 05, 2008, 11:49:39 AM
I can confirm that it's the actor Dan Gordon, not the footballer.

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/drama/images/dan-gordon100.jpg)

He is boxing Sean Og McAteer while dressed as Red Hand Luke in a find raiser for Aughlisnafin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 05, 2008, 03:12:14 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 04, 2008, 01:01:20 AM
After watching season ticket about Tyrone tonight, it struck me how far Down are behind.. Down need Club Down back quickly and innotative administrators onto the county board to sort out the mess !!!!

Quite agree.
I understand that Club Down was initially formed for one job - Park Esler - and stepped down when that job was done but I am totally amazed that the county didn't move heaven and earth to keep them and apply them to other aspects of the county's needs.
It is typical of Down that the best thing to happen in the county recently (outside of an All-Ireland win) was allowed to wither away.
The Club Down boys are precisely the sort of administrators we need.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aghdavoyle on December 05, 2008, 03:17:48 PM

Club down dissolved after the marshes completion because of difficulties and barriers that the county board were poutting in front of them. i know a couple of fellas involved. sean o'neill simply took that opportunity to end things without drama.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on December 05, 2008, 03:22:13 PM
does anyone know where we could build one of those training facilities? looks like a good job.

was also talking to a fella the other night about development squads, he was involved with one of them. it would appear that we are far behind in that respect as well. his opinion was that it was almost embarrassing to go to tournaments etc and seeing how well other counties were turned out when down looked as if they had simply been thrown together.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on December 05, 2008, 03:22:48 PM
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on December 05, 2008, 03:17:48 PM

Club down dissolved after the marshes completion because of difficulties and barriers that the county board were poutting in front of them. i know a couple of fellas involved. sean o'neill simply took that opportunity to end things without drama.

not the case
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 05, 2008, 03:28:36 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on December 05, 2008, 03:22:48 PM
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on December 05, 2008, 03:17:48 PM

Club down dissolved after the marshes completion because of difficulties and barriers that the county board were poutting in front of them. i know a couple of fellas involved. sean o'neill simply took that opportunity to end things without drama.

not the case

I heard the same as Aghdavoyle, so enlighten us as to what is the case?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on December 05, 2008, 05:23:12 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on December 05, 2008, 03:22:13 PM
does anyone know where we could build one of those training facilities? looks like a good job.

was also talking to a fella the other night about development squads, he was involved with one of them. it would appear that we are far behind in that respect as well. his opinion was that it was almost embarrassing to go to tournaments etc and seeing how well other counties were turned out when down looked as if they had simply been thrown together.

I agree that we are far behind at development squad/juvenile levels. There are a lot of people putting a lot of time into these age groups which has to be applauded but I dont think the underlying enthusiam or foresight is there at County Board level. Building a lovely training centre is far from what we need right now - we need to build from the bottom, in the clubs and in the primary schools to generate the skills and enthusiam for gaelic games. This needs a solid, co-ordinated, committed & funded approach at county level - the primary school part used to be carried out by teachers - thats no longer the case due to under resourcing, child protesction etc etc. This isnt a role for Club Down - its a role for the County Board with the full backing of Club Down in providing funding and backroom support.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 05, 2008, 05:55:23 PM
This is in regards to the structures within the county in terms of Juvenile organisation. It may be a bit leftfield but it is something that Ive thought about a few times. Now, feel free to shoot me down but is there any merit in dissolving the East Down and South Down Divisional Boards and replacing them with an all encompassing Bord na Og which would have full control over the organisation of Juvenile football from U-6 to U-18?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on December 05, 2008, 06:47:36 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on December 05, 2008, 05:23:12 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on December 05, 2008, 03:22:13 PM
does anyone know where we could build one of those training facilities? looks like a good job.

was also talking to a fella the other night about development squads, he was involved with one of them. it would appear that we are far behind in that respect as well. his opinion was that it was almost embarrassing to go to tournaments etc and seeing how well other counties were turned out when down looked as if they had simply been thrown together.

I agree that we are far behind at development squad/juvenile levels. There are a lot of people putting a lot of time into these age groups which has to be applauded but I dont think the underlying enthusiam or foresight is there at County Board level. Building a lovely training centre is far from what we need right now - we need to build from the bottom, in the clubs and in the primary schools to generate the skills and enthusiam for gaelic games. This needs a solid, co-ordinated, committed & funded approach at county level - the primary school part used to be carried out by teachers - thats no longer the case due to under resourcing, child protesction etc etc. This isnt a role for Club Down - its a role for the County Board with the full backing of Club Down in providing funding and backroom support.


i understand what you are saying though its all well and good continually blaming the county board, do the clubs not bear some responsibility, surely the clubs dont need to be told everything they should be doing, i know our club this year (granted late) has put a big emphasis on coaching the kids, with seminars information evenings while also doing their best to get both parents and playing members especially involved in the coaching, while also drawing up coaching proposals for each age group, this is in the interest of our club and if every club does it the county!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on December 05, 2008, 08:04:06 PM
I am not directly criticising the County Board nor those involved in the development of juvenile gaelic games. But looking at the set-up in counties like Tyrone, they have obviously done something which we havent. There has been a different focus - a focus that I think was developed around the time of our 91 success when Tyrone (& other notables such as Armagh) looked at Down's then 4 AIs and took steps to address the imbalance. And they started at the bottom, esp Tyrone. Meanwhile, after 94, we basked in the glory of two AIs in one decade (with 6 years left!) and took our eye of the ball as other counties put structures & facilities in place which eventually matured into what they have today - much superior than that which is in Down.

The easy thing for any of us to do is to be a critic (& you will usually find that the critics are never criticised because they never do anything to be criticised for). But I do believe we need a form of Club Down back- not to masternind the building of a Pairc Esler but to mastermind the development of juvenile hurling & football within our county. And we are far from down, given our success over the to be crowned AI chamipions earlier this year. But we need to move to a new level.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 05, 2008, 11:16:35 PM
http://www.downgaa.net/

New jersey...looks good to me.....no fancy design on it....simple Red and Black...excellent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on December 06, 2008, 03:34:29 AM
yes looks great
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 06, 2008, 09:08:47 AM
The development squads are a good idea but you need the best involved.  The best in terms of both players and coaches.  Some clubs wont send their players as they see it as a step down from the work they are doing in the club.  WTF - a club dictating to the County whether they will let their players play for Down?  Surely there is something wrong here?

The other problem is the standard of coaching available here.  The County board should be trying to attract the top coaches in the county to become involved here, and some of the squads do have good men on board.  But then they decide to throw some clown in to help out or take a squad, just because they can't get anyone else.  Clubs sometime use this as another excuse for not sending their players.

Also, in other countys there are excellent coaches doing top class work in primary schools.  Not only do we have no top coaches doing this in Down, we don't have enough second rate coaches to cover the number of primary schools we have.  Club Tyrone contribute money to the coaching structure in Tyrone to attract top coaches to do this work in the primary schools.  The DCB pay peanuts hence attracting monkeys to coach - this applies all the way from the top, down.

Surely there is a role for Club Down here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on December 06, 2008, 05:35:47 PM
the new jersey looks good. hopefully will be a big hit at christmas.


it will be on sale in donaghys in banbridge 5 on friday evening as far as i know, then i think a couple of the players are coming down to do a photoshoot on saturday morning.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on December 06, 2008, 06:31:51 PM
The New Jersey Launch - Crazy Timing

Another marketing disaster for  Down - Leaving it until less than a fortnight before Christmas is complete stupidity , this could have been a great stocking filler but missing out on a large chunk of the Christmas shopping period is a disaster ,
whoever picked the timing of this launch is a complete idiot !!




                                             the gael takes no prisoners!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on December 06, 2008, 06:48:43 PM
dodgey enough lookin jersey....it looks like they've took the one form 94 and changed the material from cotton to polyester....could be  an omen though ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on December 06, 2008, 08:20:43 PM
Its more than the jersey need changing.

What was wrong with the current one? Is this done for fund-raising purposes or because someone thinks we will play better in a new jersey. If its soley for fundraising, I have to agree that the timing is poor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on December 07, 2008, 02:29:27 PM
the 07/08 jersey was awkward looking , this new one is simple and thus better looking

the gael, hardly a marketing disaster, the majority of supporters will have this new jersy on their santa list. to launch it on the 29th of december would have been "crazy timing"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 07, 2008, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: thegael on December 06, 2008, 06:31:51 PM
The New Jersey Launch - Crazy Timing

Another marketing disaster for  Down - Leaving it until less than a fortnight before Christmas is complete stupidity , this could have been a great stocking filler but missing out on a large chunk of the Christmas shopping period is a disaster ,
whoever picked the timing of this launch is a complete idiot !!




                                             the gael takes no prisoners!!

Most ppl I know do the majority of their xmas shopping the wek, or two weeks before xmas which leaves them plenty of time. Idiot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 07, 2008, 04:31:26 PM
any u20 results?

casletwellan beat Bredagh by3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on December 07, 2008, 04:38:54 PM
The New Jersey Launch - Crazy Timing

Another marketing disaster for  Down - Leaving it until less than a fortnight before Christmas is complete stupidity , this could have been a great stocking filler but missing out on a large chunk of the Christmas shopping period is a disaster ,
whoever picked the timing of this launch is a complete idiot .
A large percentage of young families etc have already sorted out their presents a fortnight before Christmas , and yes some haven't.Any idiot would know that a Christmas Launch should occur at least a month before Christmas to maximise sales and not to miss out on the lucrative Christmas trade . Yes whoever is responsible for this is a complete idiot!!!




                                               the gael takes no prisoners!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 07, 2008, 05:29:10 PM
There is a simple quote button thegael, easy to use.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 07, 2008, 06:01:14 PM
Glasdrumman have been drawn away to Rathangan of Kildare in the first round of Celebrity Bainisteoir. Rathangan, who will be managed by Ray D'Arcy of Today FM, are a division one side in Kildare, while Glasdrumman have spent the last season in our division three. Glasdrumman, as an intermediate club, will be big outsiders, unless there is some restriction on the number of senior players Rathangan can field. However, it should still be good fun and is scheduled to be played in either February or March.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on December 07, 2008, 06:02:51 PM
OUR NAIL THE GAMBLER MOVIE WATCHER EXTRAORDINAIRE now now just read the post!


                                       the gael takes no prisoners!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 07, 2008, 06:51:49 PM
I apologise for posting in other threads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on December 07, 2008, 07:18:40 PM
OUR NAIL ............... I accept but please instead of blinding attacking my positions read and digest them and I'm sure that you and many others will learn from the gael.It is so easy to learn from the gael so just sit back and by all means ask the gael for guidance on any  issue.
The Gael's Clinic remains open.










                                  the gael takes no prisoners !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on December 07, 2008, 08:38:42 PM
Quote from: thegael on December 07, 2008, 07:18:40 PM
OUR NAIL ............... I accept but please instead of blinding attacking my positions read and digest them and I'm sure that you and many others will learn from the gael.It is so easy to learn from the gael so just sit back and by all means ask the gael for guidance on any  issue.
The Gael's Clinic remains open.










                                  the gael takes no prisoners !!!

heres hoping it will close for a long holiday over christmas
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on December 07, 2008, 09:25:15 PM
any truth that shane king and ciaran brannigan were playing for bryansford 3rds today in the league final against st johns?

surely these players arent eligible for 3rds football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 07, 2008, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: maldini on December 07, 2008, 09:25:15 PM
any truth that shane king and ciaran brannigan were playing for bryansford 3rds today in the league final against st johns?

surely these players arent eligible for 3rds football?

what was the score?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 07, 2008, 09:56:32 PM
Clonduff's Paul Shields has been appointed as the new manager of Dundrum
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on December 07, 2008, 10:22:51 PM
The Gael's Clinic is being availed of-

Dundrum after the gael's prompting about their inability to defend and their dire 2008 defensive record have gotten a new manager and guess what he is a defender !! Well done Dundrum you as a club have listened to the gael and hopefully the guy is question can deal with these problems but my God it will be hard for him , but you now have a chance of success!!!





                                            the gael takes no prisoners!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 08, 2008, 10:58:08 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 05, 2008, 11:16:35 PM
http://www.downgaa.net/

New jersey...looks good to me.....no fancy design on it....simple Red and Black...excellent.
Agreed. The best new Down jersey yet - back to the future!
The recent designs were just awful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on December 08, 2008, 11:13:06 AM
I must say cracking jersey. It wont bring you the success of yesteryear, but at least it will evoke memories.  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on December 08, 2008, 01:24:15 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 07, 2008, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: maldini on December 07, 2008, 09:25:15 PM
any truth that shane king and ciaran brannigan were playing for bryansford 3rds today in the league final against st johns?

surely these players arent eligible for 3rds football?

what was the score?

Bryansford won with a couple of late goals in an evenly contested game, Shane king was playing but ciaran brannigan wasnt.  Gerard Mccrickard playing also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 08, 2008, 02:08:33 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 04, 2008, 01:01:20 AM
After watching season ticket about Tyrone tonight, it struck me how far Down are behind.. Down need Club Down back quickly and innotative administrators onto the county board to sort out the mess !!!!
Far from getting Club Down back I hear the county are re-launching the old patrons scheme. That has to be a joke, like going back to changing behind the ditch because you weren't the ones who built the changing rooms.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 08, 2008, 02:43:27 PM
Quote from: Leo on December 08, 2008, 02:08:33 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 04, 2008, 01:01:20 AM
After watching season ticket about Tyrone tonight, it struck me how far Down are behind.. Down need Club Down back quickly and innotative administrators onto the county board to sort out the mess !!!!
Far from getting Club Down back I hear the county are re-launching the old patrons scheme. That has to be a joke, like going back to changing behind the ditch because you weren't the ones who built the changing rooms.


Patron scheme- whats that Leo? must have been before my time!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on December 08, 2008, 03:38:42 PM
O'Hare, you should be ashamed of yourself!!!


Defacing property in our club, with slanderous (sp??) comments on the club poem!!! Tut tut!!! ;D ;D ;D


By the way!!  Liatroim Fontenoys................oldest club in Down!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 08, 2008, 04:04:57 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 08, 2008, 02:43:27 PM
Quote from: Leo on December 08, 2008, 02:08:33 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 04, 2008, 01:01:20 AM
After watching season ticket about Tyrone tonight, it struck me how far Down are behind.. Down need Club Down back quickly and innotative administrators onto the county board to sort out the mess !!!!
Far from getting Club Down back I hear the county are re-launching the old patrons scheme. That has to be a joke, like going back to changing behind the ditch because you weren't the ones who built the changing rooms.
County Board ran Patrons fund, collecting an annual donation from those who would contribute and giving f.a. in return. I didn't get as much as an acknowledgment.

Patron scheme- whats that Leo? must have been before my time!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 08, 2008, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on December 08, 2008, 03:38:42 PM
O'Hare, you should be ashamed of yourself!!!


Defacing property in our club, with slanderous (sp??) comments on the club poem!!! Tut tut!!! ;D ;D ;D


By the way!!  Liatroim Fontenoys................oldest club in Down!!!!! ;)

Will Mo Mac ever forgive me?????  :D ;D ;)
PS-The minutes of the Central Council of the GAA record that on 30th April 1888, an application for affiliation was received from St Patrick's Mayobridge County Down. The acceptance of that application makes the club the oldest registered GAA club in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on December 08, 2008, 06:35:05 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 08, 2008, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on December 08, 2008, 03:38:42 PM
O'Hare, you should be ashamed of yourself!!!


Defacing property in our club, with slanderous (sp??) comments on the club poem!!! Tut tut!!! ;D ;D ;D


By the way!!  Liatroim Fontenoys................oldest club in Down!!!!! ;)

Will Mo Mac ever forgive me?????  :D ;D ;)
The minutes of the Central Council of the GAA record that on 30th April 1888, an application for affiliation was received from St Patrick's Mayobridge County Down. The acceptance of that application makes the club the oldest registered GAA club in the county.
ps-

yes go on...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on December 08, 2008, 07:40:52 PM
imagine, lost by three, disapointing as we have a strong side, didnt get seeing the game though as i was away. have kilcoo in kilcoo on sunday. carryduff beat drumaness and are a good outfit.  its a pity st.pauls are unable to field, would have thought you would have a pool of players u20, am i mistaken in thinking you won the u16 b champ about four years ago?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 08, 2008, 09:30:35 PM
Quote from: imagine on December 08, 2008, 09:21:05 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on December 08, 2008, 07:40:52 PM
imagine, lost by three, disapointing as we have a strong side, didnt get seeing the game though as i was away. have kilcoo in kilcoo on sunday. carryduff beat drumaness and are a good outfit.  its a pity st.pauls are unable to field, would have thought you would have a pool of players u20, am i mistaken in thinking you won the u16 b champ about four years ago?
Sorry I thought you would have been playing yourself.We won the East Down U-16 B four years ago beating you in a replay but real life and its attractions,etc has depleted that group as it is  today?

I think we had 5 players on yesterdays game that played in that final, probably the same story in a lot of clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 09, 2008, 11:08:06 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on December 09, 2008, 10:43:07 AM
  Any chance of the proposal going through on Sunday as regards promotion/relegation?

I think it will pass. Most players and officials are pissed off with the length of the season and the current play of system.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 09, 2008, 11:55:10 AM
Taken from County Convention Booklet 2008 on Down Website


PROPOSALS FOR RE-STRUCTURING OF DOWN ADULT FOOTBALL LEAGUES
Having been asked by the County Committee to bring to County Convention a proposal
for the restructuring of the adult football leagues in the county, the County Competitions
Committee are recommending that Divisions One and Two comprise of 10 teams each
and that Divisions Three and Four comprise of 12 teams each.
Because most county panelists come from clubs in the top two Divisions (and hence it is
these clubs who are most affected by the 'starred' system) and the fact that most 'dual'
clubs are in these Divisions, the committee believe that the interests of Gaelic Games in
the county would best be served by this arrangement, which should initially be tested on a
two year trial basis.
This will place less demands on the 'dual' player as the committee recognises that current
demands make it much more difficult to play both Gaelic Football and Hurling.
In each of the four Divisions the club that finishes in first place after the ordinary round
stages will play in a league final. In Divisions 2-4 inclusive this team will be
automatically promoted. The clubs finishing in second and third places after the ordinary
round stages of the league will play each other in a league semi-final, with the winner
progressing to the league final (and being promoted in Divisions 2-4 inclusive).
The club that finishes bottom of Divisions 1-3 inclusive will be automatically relegated.
The clubs finishing second from bottom and third from bottom in Divisions 1-3 inclusive
will play-off, with the loser being relegated.
** The winner of the Premier Reserve Football League will play in Division 4 the
following season. At the end of the season, this team will revert back to the Premier
Reserve Football League and their place will be taken in Division Four the following
season by the new Premier Reserve champions. In the event of the Premier Reserve team
winning Division 4 (or contesting the final) they will not be promoted and the other
promotion spot will go to the next highest placed team in the league. Irrespective how
the Premier Reserve team fares in Division Four, they will still revert back to the Premier
Reserve League the following season.
The advantages for the proposed system are as follows;
· It will reduce the number of 'starred' games, especially in Divisions One and
Two, and hence mean that more players will be available for club games;
· It will mean a reduction in the number of occasions that clubs, especially in
Divisions One and Two, may be required to play two games per week;
· It will give the CCC more flexibility in arranging both league and championship
fixtures
· It will ease the burden on the majority of 'dual' players;
· It will provide more flexibility to county team panelists and to county team
managers.
· It will bring an end to the 30% rule
· It will bring an end to the end of season play-offs (apart from one game at the top
of all four Divisions and at the bottom of three Divisions)
The County Competitions Control Committee are recommending this structural change to
County Convention and, if accepted for the trial period as outlined above, deem it
appropriate for the incoming County Committee to determine the mechanism by which
this change is brought about.
"" The Premier Reserve club competing in Division Four will only be necessary as long
as 43 clubs continue to compete in the All-County Leagues. In the event of Killyleagh
rejoining, or the County Committee accepting the formation of a new club, this will not
be necessary.
Brian Mac Fhiobhui (Cathaoirleach CCC)
Sean O Ruanaidh (Runai CCC)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on December 09, 2008, 01:05:25 PM
Sounds like a great solution......especially with the 30% rule being abandoned
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on December 09, 2008, 01:46:48 PM
When will it come in, it would hardly be forced in for next season, would it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 09, 2008, 04:09:44 PM
The premier reserve league winners going into division 4 might be a problem.  Seconds games are usually on a Sunday, if they are forced to play on a Friday night there will be a good number of lads who will get no football.  An allowance should be made that the premier reserve league winners get to play their Div4 games on a Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on December 09, 2008, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: off the laces on December 09, 2008, 01:46:48 PM
When will it come in, it would hardly be forced in for next season, would it?


If all is agreed, it will come into play for the 2010 season, i think.

Things would have to be agreed now so that teams know where they stand as regards promotion/Relegation at the end of '09.

I don't think the Premier Reserve winners into Div 4 will work. They'll be far too strong!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on December 09, 2008, 05:18:58 PM
If it comes in 2010, will it not leave 09 a meaningless season for teams aspiring to be near the top of 3 & 4 - surely they won't have a chance of promotion if 4 teams in total are coming down from 1 & 2 and it will be hard to motivate them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on December 09, 2008, 06:19:09 PM
The Gael is mainly in agreement with these proposals except in that there should be the ability of reserve sides to progress through the leagues.

Anotherwards there should be an extra Division ie  DIV 4 which would consist of the top 8 or so ACPRFL teams and if the situation arises the likes of Ballykinler or Aughlisnfin. etc..

What is wrong with Mayobridge or Clonduff reserves playing in Div 2 against  Attical or Ballymartin for example ?

If a club can field two high quality sides why not let those players who cannot break into their senior side play as competitively as possible and rise up through the divisions!!




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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on December 10, 2008, 10:50:35 AM
Quote from: thegael on December 09, 2008, 06:19:09 PM
The Gael is mainly in agreement with these proposals except in that there should be the ability of reserve sides to progress through the leagues.

Anotherwards there should be an extra Division ie  DIV 4 which would consist of the top 8 or so ACPRFL teams and if the situation arises the likes of Ballykinler or Aughlisnfin. etc..

What is wrong with Mayobridge or Clonduff reserves playing in Div 2 against  Attical or Ballymartin for example ?

If a club can field two high quality sides why not let those players who cannot break into their senior side play as competitively as possible and rise up through the divisions!!




                                    The Gael takes no prisoners !!!


For once the Gael is talking a bit of sense!! ;)

But if this were to happen and the Bridge for example were to have two senior teams competing in the Senior divisions, there could be no movement of players between squads. The two teams would have to be seperate from each other for the whole year, as this would lead to farciacal situations were players are turning out for a division 1 game one week and a div 3 game the week after.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on December 10, 2008, 11:30:54 AM
Quote from: amallon on December 09, 2008, 04:09:44 PM
The premier reserve league winners going into division 4 might be a problem.  Seconds games are usually on a Sunday, if they are forced to play on a Friday night there will be a good number of lads who will get no football.  An allowance should be made that the premier reserve league winners get to play their Div4 games on a Sunday.
I know other counties do it but how does it work that the firsts play at the same time on a Friday night as the seconds.  Surely then there will be players who are subs on the first team who might not get a game for the firsts but who also can't play for the seconds as they are sitting on the sideline for the firsts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on December 10, 2008, 01:39:10 PM
If the PRFL clubs want to be integrated into the current league structures then the Reserve teams SHOULD be separate from the first team - a completely different set of named players. Theres no need for panels of 30, 18 or 20 is sufficient  - this will ensure that nearly everyone gets a game. And regarding the 4 or 5 subs on the first team who mightnt get a game - every club that has only one team (and insufficient numbers  to field a reserve team), has players on the bench every week so whats the difference. We cant have it both ways!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 10, 2008, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on December 10, 2008, 10:50:35 AM
Quote from: thegael on December 09, 2008, 06:19:09 PM
The Gael is mainly in agreement with these proposals except in that there should be the ability of reserve sides to progress through the leagues.

Anotherwards there should be an extra Division ie  DIV 4 which would consist of the top 8 or so ACPRFL teams and if the situation arises the likes of Ballykinler or Aughlisnfin. etc..

What is wrong with Mayobridge or Clonduff reserves playing in Div 2 against  Attical or Ballymartin for example ?

If a club can field two high quality sides why not let those players who cannot break into their senior side play as competitively as possible and rise up through the divisions!!




                                    The Gael takes no prisoners !!!


For once the Gael is talking a bit of sense!! ;)

But if this were to happen and the Bridge for example were to have two senior teams competing in the Senior divisions, there could be no movement of players between squads. The two teams would have to be seperate from each other for the whole year, as this would lead to farciacal situations were players are turning out for a division 1 game one week and a div 3 game the week after.

at the start of the year team lists are agree, well they are in the hurling leagues where the senior clubs have teams in Div1 and Div2 (2nds and 3rds teams to us) and it is possible for someone to play in Div2 one night and Div3 the next night. Not ideal but I think all team squads are vetted by the other clubs and hurling board and it is possible to move players from one grade to the next during the year.

If say Portaferry were to win Div2, then they wouldn't be able to field two teams in Div1 the next year, they just stay as they are but I'm sure personnel may move up a divison but some would obviously move down a division. This system isn't too bad for the leagues but don't mention championships as there's a few bones of contention about eligibility there!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 10, 2008, 02:43:28 PM
QuoteThis system isn't too bad for the leagues but don't mention championships as there's a few bones of contention about eligibility there!!

It's on the agenda for the County Convention on Sunday!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 10, 2008, 04:29:57 PM
Quote from: interested on December 10, 2008, 03:05:56 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on December 10, 2008, 02:55:24 PM
Surely the Championships in hurling should have gone to the Hurling convention.
Just on hurling,how many Clubs from East Down are represented on the SOUTH DOWN
Hurling team? ???

Am I mssing something here? How can someone from East Down play on a South Down team?

i think in this context south Down means the rest of Down minus the Ards whereas the East Down and South Down are football only boards and contribute sweet FA to hurling..

as for the make up of the championships it'll be well down the clar, so don't expect any great debate on it. There certainly needs to be a change especially with the ulster club dimension but creating a reserve hurling championship will only weaken both competitions IMO.

Is there a motion in about it and if so what way is it worded?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 10, 2008, 04:44:19 PM
found it:

11. Convention recommends that the following changes to the Intermediate Hurling
Championship are implemented for the 2009 Championship:
a) The reserve teams of those clubs competing in the Senior Championship will
be drawn against each other to play off in a Reserve Championship.
Intermediate clubs will be drawn against each other to play for a Non Ards
Championship. The winners of the Reserve Championship will play the
winners of the Non Ards Championship in the Intermediate Championship
Final.
b) If a club's first team wins the IHC they must play in the SHC the following
year.
c) If a reserve team wins the IHC they will be permitted to re-enter the Reserve
Championship the following year but not the IHC.
d) This format will be reviewed after a 3 year trail period.
(Bredach)

what is the rationale in point C, an Ards team can re-enter the reserve championship but not the full blown intermediate? what if they've a totally different 15?

why was the juniors not rolled up with this as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on December 10, 2008, 05:04:01 PM
I think the new proposals make a lot of sense. With regard to the Premier reserve team playing in division 4, however, why not just have div 4 with 11 teams.
I think that any new proposals should come in for 2010. each club needs to know where they stand before the beginning of the season. But I also think that, if accepted there needs to be some sort of promotion prospects for teams currently in divisions 2, 3 and 4 so that the leagues remain competitive next year.
Maybe a playoff between league winners and those lowest ranked qualifiers for the  new league above.
Based on this year's league tables prior to the playoffs it would read.

For a place in diviision 1 2010:
Bryansford v Saval
Liatroim v Annaclone

Division 2 2010:
Glasdrumman v Attical
Ardglass v Darragh Cross

Division 3 2010:
St Johns v St Pauls
Aghaderg v St Pauls

This gives any clubs finishing in the top two a playoff game against a team established in the league above in order to prove their ability to compete in a newly structured higher league.
Due to the problem with poor pitches at the end of the year I would suggest a two-legged home and away playoff to determine the outcome of these games. This would ensure that the best equipped teams would take their place in a higher league for 2010.

Therefore next seasons clubs in div 1 will be aware that in order to reatin their status and to avoid a playoff against those finisshing in the top 2 of division 2 they must finish in the top 8 of next season's division 1.
Teams in division 2 must finish in the top 6 and clubs in div 3 the top 6 also to avoid their respective playoffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on December 10, 2008, 05:12:59 PM
Quote from: amallon on December 09, 2008, 04:09:44 PM
The premier reserve league winners going into division 4 might be a problem.  Seconds games are usually on a Sunday, if they are forced to play on a Friday night there will be a good number of lads who will get no football.  An allowance should be made that the premier reserve league winners get to play their Div4 games on a Sunday.

amallon, a full strength prem res team would win every game in div 4 by minimum 6 points (more likely multiples of ten) the only chance it would work is if they played the same time as their seniors. I'm old enough to remember reserve sides playing in the acl and reckon the current arrangement is much better for first and second teams alike. As i recall even the better reserve sides rarely went higher than midtable div 3.

Speaking of Div 3, 2 managers confirmed for next year Bill Geoghan at Drumaness and Tom Morgan at Tullylish.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on December 10, 2008, 05:17:20 PM
not a bad idea, however what happens to the say 5 lads that are just short of the senior team, while they would be good enough for the reserves they sit warming the bench for the seniors each season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on December 10, 2008, 05:47:33 PM
"Bill Geoghan at Drumaness"

how many clubs this man managed ?? Does he not live in armagh somewhere??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on December 10, 2008, 06:08:16 PM
Bill Geoghegan is from Lurgan direction,he took st Paul's Bessbrook, then Drumgath An riocht, there maybe someone else there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on December 10, 2008, 06:10:45 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 10, 2008, 04:44:19 PM
found it:

11. Convention recommends that the following changes to the Intermediate Hurling
Championship are implemented for the 2009 Championship:
a) The reserve teams of those clubs competing in the Senior Championship will
be drawn against each other to play off in a Reserve Championship.
Intermediate clubs will be drawn against each other to play for a Non Ards
Championship. The winners of the Reserve Championship will play the
winners of the Non Ards Championship in the Intermediate Championship
Final.
b) If a club's first team wins the IHC they must play in the SHC the following
year.
c) If a reserve team wins the IHC they will be permitted to re-enter the Reserve
Championship the following year but not the IHC.
d) This format will be reviewed after a 3 year trail period.
(Bredach)

what is the rationale in point C, an Ards team can re-enter the reserve championship but not the full blown intermediate? what if they've a totally different 15?

why was the juniors not rolled up with this as well?

I think thats this is all pretty sensible, i think its a good idea about if a non-ards team wins the intermediate then the next year they have to play senior.  now, im not saying that we would do very well in senior if, hypothetically we won the ihc, but id rather say at least i got to play in the senior championship than never being given a shot.  I also dont agree with point c.  If an ards team wins either the ihc or jhc they should not be excluded the next year, jut doesnt make sense to me.  Any other topics being raised at the hurling meeting?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on December 10, 2008, 07:10:29 PM
Quote from: Downgael2008 on December 10, 2008, 05:47:33 PM
"Bill Geoghan at Drumaness"

how many clubs this man managed ?? Does he not live in armagh somewhere??

i know one player and he told me that the whole senior team was going to the agm as they were very unhappy with the removal of the last  manager.

with regards to the league: reserve teams, provided they are distinct from the senior team, should be allowed to progress up the league tables if they are good enough. if there are 18 or so footballers from mayobridge who are better than another 18 players from a div 3 club why should the mayobridge 18 be penalised for coming from a strong club (and so not being able to make the first team) while the div 3 team can progress up the tables and play football at a higher level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on December 10, 2008, 11:28:59 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on December 10, 2008, 07:10:29 PM
Quote from: Downgael2008 on December 10, 2008, 05:47:33 PM
"Bill Geoghan at Drumaness"

how many clubs this man managed ?? Does he not live in armagh somewhere??

i know one player and he told me that the whole senior team was going to the agm as they were very unhappy with the removal of the last  manager.

with regards to the league: reserve teams, provided they are distinct from the senior team, should be allowed to progress up the league tables if they are good enough. if there are 18 or so footballers from mayobridge who are better than another 18 players from a div 3 club why should the mayobridge 18 be penalised for coming from a strong club (and so not being able to make the first team) while the div 3 team can progress up the tables and play football at a higher level.

Was the last Manager in Drumaness not a Bill Geoghan type also in that he's had more Clubs than Jack Nicholas also?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on December 10, 2008, 11:47:37 PM
Not fair at all these managers are spreading the gospel across Ireland for the good of gaels everywhere !!!

Let no man speak out against these men who give off their time to try and bring success to the clubs they manage !!

These men love managing!



                                                the gael takes no prisoners !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on December 11, 2008, 08:20:49 AM
Quote from: thegael on December 10, 2008, 11:47:37 PM
Not fair at all these managers are spreading the gospel across Ireland for the good of gaels everywhere !!!

Let no man speak out against these men who give off their time to try and bring success to the clubs they manage !!

These men love managing!



                                                the gael takes no prisoners !!!
Gael is it for the good of gaels or for themselves?.....Drumaness players have other thoughts!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on December 11, 2008, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 10, 2008, 06:08:16 PM
Bill Geoghegan is from Lurgan direction,he took st Paul's Bessbrook, then Drumgath An riocht, there maybe someone else there

Bill is originally from gilford and played most of his football at Tullylish then moved to Banbridge to cut down on his travelling. A very handy footballer in his day, does he still have the tan? Was he at Drumgath when they won the intermediate championship?

In fairness it's hard to blame any of these lads, if there was no market for them they wouldn't be there. The further down the leagues you go the less willing or able the clubs are to develope their own senior coaches from within.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on December 11, 2008, 02:40:16 PM
Quote from: passedit on December 11, 2008, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 10, 2008, 06:08:16 PM
Bill Geoghegan is from Lurgan direction,he took st Paul's Bessbrook, then Drumgath An riocht, there maybe someone else there

Bill is originally from gilford and played most of his football at Tullylish then moved to Banbridge to cut down on his travelling. A very handy footballer in his day, does he still have the tan? Was he at Drumgath when they won the intermediate championship?
In fairness it's hard to blame any of these lads, if there was no market for them they wouldn't be there. The further down the leagues you go the less willing or able the clubs are to develope their own senior coaches from within.


aye, geoghegan was in charge when drumgath wont the championship, but left the same season after we failed to get promoted dispite finishing second in the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on December 11, 2008, 03:05:48 PM
Quote from: SQUAREBALL on December 11, 2008, 02:40:16 PM
Quote from: passedit on December 11, 2008, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 10, 2008, 06:08:16 PM
Bill Geoghegan is from Lurgan direction,he took st Paul's Bessbrook, then Drumgath An riocht, there maybe someone else there

Bill is originally from gilford and played most of his football at Tullylish then moved to Banbridge to cut down on his travelling. A very handy footballer in his day, does he still have the tan? Was he at Drumgath when they won the intermediate championship?
In fairness it's hard to blame any of these lads, if there was no market for them they wouldn't be there. The further down the leagues you go the less willing or able the clubs are to develope their own senior coaches from within.

aye, geoghegan was in charge when drumgath wont the championship, but left the same season after we failed to get promoted dispite finishing second in the league.


Whose decision SB? His or yours?

Surely an intermediate championship and second in the league would make the decision his?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on December 11, 2008, 03:57:21 PM
Quote from: passedit on December 11, 2008, 03:05:48 PM
Quote from: SQUAREBALL on December 11, 2008, 02:40:16 PM
Quote from: passedit on December 11, 2008, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 10, 2008, 06:08:16 PM
Bill Geoghegan is from Lurgan direction,he took st Paul's Bessbrook, then Drumgath An riocht, there maybe someone else there

Bill is originally from gilford and played most of his football at Tullylish then moved to Banbridge to cut down on his travelling. A very handy footballer in his day, does he still have the tan? Was he at Drumgath when they won the intermediate championship?
In fairness it's hard to blame any of these lads, if there was no market for them they wouldn't be there. The further down the leagues you go the less willing or able the clubs are to develope their own senior coaches from within.

aye, geoghegan was in charge when drumgath wont the championship, but left the same season after we failed to get promoted dispite finishing second in the league.


Whose decision SB? His or yours?

Surely an intermediate championship and second in the league would make the decision his?

He was originally set to come back but mistakes were made on the managements part in the playoffs that many thought cost us promotion. A few players who hadnt been seen all year came back after we won the championship and went straight into the team, and thus changed a few positions within the team to accomodate them, but it obviously didnt work.

This was really the downfall as, as much as every team wants to win a championship, we started out that year to gain promotion, and ultimately failed, for one reason or another. Not entirely bills fault, but im in no doubt that had the same team that played throughout the championship played in the play offs, we would have been promoted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on December 11, 2008, 04:21:11 PM
Quote from: passedit on December 11, 2008, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 10, 2008, 06:08:16 PM
Bill Geoghegan is from Lurgan direction,he took st Paul's Bessbrook, then Drumgath An riocht, there maybe someone else there

Bill is originally from gilford and played most of his football at Tullylish then moved to Banbridge to cut down on his travelling. A very handy footballer in his day, does he still have the tan? Was he at Drumgath when they won the intermediate championship?

In fairness it's hard to blame any of these lads, if there was no market for them they wouldn't be there. The further down the leagues you go the less willing or able the clubs are to develope their own senior coaches from within.

   Are you serious?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on December 11, 2008, 04:30:54 PM
Quote from: interested on December 11, 2008, 04:21:11 PM
Quote from: passedit on December 11, 2008, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 10, 2008, 06:08:16 PM
Bill Geoghegan is from Lurgan direction,he took st Paul's Bessbrook, then Drumgath An riocht, there maybe someone else there

Bill is originally from gilford and played most of his football at Tullylish then moved to Banbridge to cut down on his travelling. A very handy footballer in his day, does he still have the tan? Was he at Drumgath when they won the intermediate championship?

In fairness it's hard to blame any of these lads, if there was no market for them they wouldn't be there. The further down the leagues you go the less willing or able the clubs are to develope their own senior coaches from within.

   Are you serious?

Aye deadly. That journey can take upwards of an hour.


on foot with a feed of pints in ye
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on December 11, 2008, 05:42:25 PM
Quote from: passedit on December 11, 2008, 04:30:54 PM
Quote from: interested on December 11, 2008, 04:21:11 PM
Quote from: passedit on December 11, 2008, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 10, 2008, 06:08:16 PM
Bill Geoghegan is from Lurgan direction,he took st Paul's Bessbrook, then Drumgath An riocht, there maybe someone else there

Bill is originally from gilford and played most of his football at Tullylish then moved to Banbridge to cut down on his travelling. A very handy footballer in his day, does he still have the tan? Was he at Drumgath when they won the intermediate championship?

In fairness it's hard to blame any of these lads, if there was no market for them they wouldn't be there. The further down the leagues you go the less willing or able the clubs are to develope their own senior coaches from within.

   Are you serious?

Aye deadly. That journey can take upwards of an hour.


on foot with a feed of pints in ye

An hour from Banbridge to Tullylish?  ??? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on December 11, 2008, 05:51:47 PM
Quote from: interested on December 11, 2008, 05:42:25 PM
Quote from: passedit on December 11, 2008, 04:30:54 PM
Quote from: interested on December 11, 2008, 04:21:11 PM
Quote from: passedit on December 11, 2008, 01:01:28 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on December 10, 2008, 06:08:16 PM
Bill Geoghegan is from Lurgan direction,he took st Paul's Bessbrook, then Drumgath An riocht, there maybe someone else there

Bill is originally from gilford and played most of his football at Tullylish then moved to Banbridge to cut down on his travelling. A very handy footballer in his day, does he still have the tan? Was he at Drumgath when they won the intermediate championship?

In fairness it's hard to blame any of these lads, if there was no market for them they wouldn't be there. The further down the leagues you go the less willing or able the clubs are to develope their own senior coaches from within.

   Are you serious?

Aye deadly. That journey can take upwards of an hour.


on foot with a feed of pints in ye

An hour from Banbridge to Tullylish?  ??? ???


Always read the small print Interested.  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on December 11, 2008, 06:23:57 PM
 Jeepers I still can't read it but I'll take your word for it.It's yellow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on December 11, 2008, 06:53:27 PM
Bill just seems to have managed quite a few clubs fair play he must be a decent manager !! Anymore word on the managerial merry go round or is it too early ?

Heard reports Castlewellan have a new man and bryansford?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 11, 2008, 10:09:25 PM
I hear that Mayobridge are on the lookout for a new man.

Perhaps the 'bridge men could confirm or deny this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on December 11, 2008, 11:03:00 PM
Rumours abound about who is getting the bridge job !!!

Paddy O'Rourke ,
Jody Gormley ,
Pete McGrath,
Shane Mulholland ,
James Mc Cartan ( only if he can bring Kevin  Mc Gourty as a player with him along with a caravan)

...............There is endless speculation even the bar man from Gormans !!

Who would even consider them the great Ulster flops - ah yes a bar man!!!



                                                    the gael takes no prisoners!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 11, 2008, 11:10:42 PM
Surely Pete will take Rostrevor now that it is available - a welcome homecoming for the 'prodigal son.'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 11, 2008, 11:22:07 PM
Quote from: interested on December 11, 2008, 11:14:44 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on December 11, 2008, 11:10:42 PM
Surely Pete will take Rostrevor now that it is available - a welcome homecoming for the 'prodigal son.'

Prodigal son---Why did he leave and take his share of the family silver and now he is being forgiven? ;D

Now that you mention it, he did have a falling out with the club a few years back over his nephews but I'm sure its all sorted by now.  So maybe he has forgiven them  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 11, 2008, 11:26:54 PM
The hoors arent having Shane Mulholland >:(


We fcukin need him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 11, 2008, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 11, 2008, 11:26:54 PM
The hoors arent having Shane Mulholland >:(


We fcukin need him.

Surely it would be too big a step for a rookie manager?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 11, 2008, 11:34:37 PM
Wouldnt say he's a complete rookie....he was player manager for us for a year.....didnt work out....but I'd have to say he commanded total respect in the club and would be tactically astute....not worth a fcuk howver if you have a big centre half back up your hole and you trying to make changes and decisions. :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on December 12, 2008, 12:49:37 AM
Shane Mulholland is a very capable guy and if he had the chance to work with good players ( no insult intended towards the ballyholland guys) at any level and i mean intercounty too he would in the gael's opinion be a success.He is one of those can do guys whatever he turned his hand to he would be a success.He has a great way with him in an understated way yet earning the respect of his peers and more.










                                                    the gael takes no prisoners!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 12, 2008, 01:11:14 AM
I cant believe I'm gonna slide towards agreeing with THE GAEL.


Shane is defo management material...but not yet...lave him alone lads he was probably our best player last year in the 1st divison ffs.


BTW a wee bit of trivia for yiz....Shane is the last Down player to be nominated for an allstar!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 12, 2008, 07:39:01 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 11, 2008, 11:34:37 PM
Wouldnt say he's a complete rookie....he was player manager for us for a year.....didnt work out....but I'd have to say he commanded total respect in the club and would be tactically astute....not worth a fcuk howver if you have a big centre half back up your hole and you trying to make changes and decisions. :-\

Player managers don't work in my opinion. We've had bad experience of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on December 12, 2008, 08:57:40 AM
Quote from: Downgael2008 on December 11, 2008, 06:53:27 PM
Bill just seems to have managed quite a few clubs fair play he must be a decent manager !! Anymore word on the managerial merry go round or is it too early ?

Heard reports Castlewellan have a new man and bryansford?

No annoucements around the ford yet - hopefully someone within the club though...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 12, 2008, 09:00:54 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on December 12, 2008, 08:57:40 AM
Quote from: Downgael2008 on December 11, 2008, 06:53:27 PM
Bill just seems to have managed quite a few clubs fair play he must be a decent manager !! Anymore word on the managerial merry go round or is it too early ?

Heard reports Castlewellan have a new man and bryansford?

No annoucements around the ford yet - hopefully someone within the club though...

Isn't Liam Hardy taking Castlewellan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joxer on December 12, 2008, 11:17:00 AM
So its the Bridge, Rostrevor, Castlewelland and Bryansford looking for new managers?

Seems the same pattern is forming in alot of counties- Big teams looking managers, but not enough managers capable out there.

The bridge one will be interesting!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 12, 2008, 11:56:32 AM
There's a number of reasons for this managerial merry go round.

The biggest one is that club committees (and supporters) mostly have higher expectations of their players than what those players can actually deliver. Having watched young fellas progress from being promising teenagers to average senior footballers, they want someone to blame apart from the players himself.

Instead of looking at the reality - that the players aren't good enough, or just won't be committed enough to get better - or accepting that external factors - drink, women, travelling commitments, work commitments - mean that players can't and won't step up another level, there is the constant pursuit of the manager who can instill the belief, the will, the team ethic, the commitment required to maximise each player's potential.

And most committees believe that for £50/£60/£100 a session, then the manager should deliver exactly that. Most locals know they can't deliver this (at least the ones who are capable mostly seem to know this), so don't offer.

In truth, unless a manager gets the core of his team when they are still young, impressionable, and 100% in love with playing football, he has no chance of making that happen. Converting the mindset of an settled, established core of twentysomethings is nigh-on impossible. Dropping them isn't an option, for at the first sign of back-to-back defeats, the manager would be hounded out of the club, and back on the merry go round they go.

In fairness, I don't think many managers (certainly in Down anyway) are worth the fees they are commanding. Club managers should be able to maintain a basic level of fitness throughout their squad, and more or less select the right players in their right positions each week. And a lot of these fellas aren't doing that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joxer on December 12, 2008, 12:01:26 PM
Good post wobbler!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on December 12, 2008, 12:17:49 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 12, 2008, 11:56:32 AM
There's a number of reasons for this managerial merry go round.

The biggest one is that club committees (and supporters) mostly have higher expectations of their players than what those players can actually deliver. Having watched young fellas progress from being promising teenagers to average senior footballers, they want someone to blame apart from the players himself.

Instead of looking at the reality - that the players aren't good enough, or just won't be committed enough to get better - or accepting that external factors - drink, women, travelling commitments, work commitments - mean that players can't and won't step up another level, there is the constant pursuit of the manager who can instill the belief, the will, the team ethic, the commitment required to maximise each player's potential.

And most committees believe that for £50/£60/£100 a session, then the manager should deliver exactly that. Most locals know they can't deliver this (at least the ones who are capable mostly seem to know this), so don't offer.

In truth, unless a manager gets the core of his team when they are still young, impressionable, and 100% in love with playing football, he has no chance of making that happen. Converting the mindset of an settled, established core of twentysomethings is nigh-on impossible. Dropping them isn't an option, for at the first sign of back-to-back defeats, the manager would be hounded out of the club, and back on the merry go round they go.
In fairness, I don't think many managers (certainly in Down anyway) are worth the fees they are commanding. Club managers should be able to maintain a basic level of fitness throughout their squad, and more or less select the right players in their right positions each week. And a lot of these fellas aren't doing that.

The above paragraph is so true...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on December 12, 2008, 12:19:00 PM
good post wobbler but i would disagree with you in some respect. There are a lot of very good coaches/trainers/managers whatever you want to call them out there. The quality of sessions I have seen from different managers/coaches etc varies extremely from very poor to very good.

Most club coaches are not capable of delievering a top level session because their not qualified/experienced enough and probably wouldnt command the same level of respect as someone from outside the club.

players attitudes have changed over the years the parish/pride of playing is gone and for a lot of players its now just "a bit of craic" An outside influence with good man management skills might install a different attitude but not for long. I think its a short life spam as a manager at a club and hence why we see a lot of chopping and changing of managers at these clubs.

The new bridge manager will be very interesting ! Personally to go in there and not win a trophy would ruin your reputation good luck to whoever is brave enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on December 12, 2008, 01:31:03 PM
The majority of Managers (not all) are in it for the money.
How many managers would turn up week after week if they were being paid only real out of pocket expenses (like £10 to cover fuel) -  not many Im afraid. The level of "fees" is ridiculous when worked out per hour. So part of the merrry go ground is created by managers trying to get a better financial deal elsewhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 12, 2008, 01:55:41 PM
Don't get me wrong DownGael2008, there are some excellent coaches on the circuit who genuinely make training enjoyable.

From my personal experience, team selection and consistently selecting the right team commands as much respect though. If a club's best players are fit, and playing in the right positions, then at least the core of a club's squad is happy, and the supporters have a whole lot less to complain about. If a coach provides that, then everything else is a bonus, and that's when they start earning their fees.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ballybredagh on December 12, 2008, 03:00:00 PM
Ref IHC proposals

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the JHC matches delayed until after the first round of the IHC; therefore you don't have the same issues with the Ards clubs playing lads in the JHC who should be playing IHC/SHC.  The proposal for the IHC should overcome the issue of a non-Ards IHC team getting chinned in the first/second round by an Ards IHC loaded with senior players (ref Portaferry v Bredagh and Newry this year) as by the time the reserve (IHC) championship is finished the Ards clubs will have played the first round of the SHC. Also, as the IHC final will, hopefully, post date the SHC one, there shouldn't be any gripes from the Non-Ards winners that the Ards Reserve winners are laced with senior players. The other benefit of the proposal is that all the Ards senior/reserve/junior players can play championship hurling every year.  But maybe their is an argument to extend this to the JHC too, as you wouldn't know what steps the Ards teams would go to to get and old cup on the table at presentation night!     
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 12, 2008, 10:00:24 PM
Anybody there for the launch of the new jersey tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 13, 2008, 10:18:32 AM
Has anyone bought one of these year?

Are they just as bland and unimaginative like they are in the photos?  Come to think of it, it probably matches our football of late  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on December 13, 2008, 05:11:07 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on December 13, 2008, 10:18:32 AM
Has anyone bought one of these year?

Are they just as bland and unimaginative like they are in the photos?  Come to think of it, it probably matches our football of late  ;)

A bit harsh there,maybe the Wexford game I agree.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: aroundincircles on December 13, 2008, 06:40:51 PM
met a down man the other day called larry powell anybody here know him?? i think he played for down in the 60"s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 13, 2008, 11:50:16 PM
Larry Powell came on as a sub in the 1968 final. The most underestimated victory Down have ever had....Colm McAlarney cleaned out the best player ever to play football that day and one of our fellow posters father won a Celtic cross that day...If there had have been a player of the year award in those days Tom O'Hare would have got it. I have the full game on DVD plus the semi final....magnificent stuff.
Title: Re: New Down Website
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 14, 2008, 06:41:45 PM
I see the revamped Down Website is up and running.  Doesn't look too bad but I didn't see a message board where Down fans could air the views on Down football.  Most club sites, never mind county sites, have this facility so we do we not?  This is very disappointing.  The rest looks good.

I hope this new site actually gets updated regularly, unlike the previous one.  If so, it should work well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 14, 2008, 09:56:28 PM
From the Down Site

The big talking point from the convention was the passing of the motion to reduce the Division One and Division Two Leagues to 10 teams which may come into effect from the 2010 season.  County Board will discuss the mechanism for this in their January meeting.

So it passed then, cant wait to see what the mechanism will be
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on December 15, 2008, 08:33:04 AM
Square Ball - was the motion from Bredagh to change the Hurling Championship passed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 15, 2008, 12:10:18 PM
Quote from: Bacon on December 15, 2008, 08:33:04 AM
Square Ball - was the motion from Bredagh to change the Hurling Championship passed?

Dont know, I will make a few enquiries
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 15, 2008, 08:23:11 PM
The new website is a distinct visual improvement, but I hope that this is only the start of the launch process. There's too many kinks in it for my looking.
Title: Re: New Down Website
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 15, 2008, 08:55:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 15, 2008, 08:23:11 PM
The new website is a distinct visual improvement, but I hope that this is only the start of the launch process. There's too many kinks in it for my looking.

Bad start already.  I looked in the fixtures and results section knowing there was a game played yesterday.  No fixture - no result

Burren beat Clonduff in the U.20 Championship semi final, yet our 'NEW' county website can post a result.

It may be a new website but some things never change.   ::)
Title: Re: New Down Website
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 15, 2008, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on December 15, 2008, 09:14:05 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on December 15, 2008, 08:55:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 15, 2008, 08:23:11 PM
The new website is a distinct visual improvement, but I hope that this is only the start of the launch process. There's too many kinks in it for my looking.

Bad start already.  I looked in the fixtures and results section knowing there was a game played yesterday.  No fixture - no result

Burren beat Clonduff in the U.20 Championship semi final, yet our 'NEW' county website can post a result.

It may be a new website but some things never change.   ::)

It can or it can't ??? ???  Give the people or whover a chance to get up and running.The Convention was on yesterday and  that was an all day affair.It might be that it is  up to the individual Clubs or Referee to put up the result from what I hear of the new system.

Have you looked at it yet?  The only result on the website from games played yesterday was the Cross/Ballinderry - I don't think either of these is a Down team.   ???

Other articles include clubs notes from a few clubs, County Convention, the MacRory quarter final draw and something about Paddy Kielty - all which are good and a major improvement on the last site.

But why no forum for Down fans to have an opinion?  Are we not allowed to have a say or possibly this would mean someone having to 'police' this section of the websitea nd I don't mean the Down PRO who I am sure has set up this website himself.

But not updating results isn't a great start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 15, 2008, 10:15:42 PM
as someone has already stated give it a chance and see what happens, is it up to the clubs to text in the results? did they do that? we dont know what the procedures are so we shouldn't be apportioning blame

I think they are trying to cram too much into the main page, too much going on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: milltown row on December 15, 2008, 10:17:41 PM
so what clubs were putting across thinly veiled threats about referees abusing kids during games to get them to reduce suspensions?

is this for real?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 15, 2008, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: milltown row on December 15, 2008, 10:17:41 PM
so what clubs were putting across thinly veiled threats about referees abusing kids during games to get them to reduce suspensions?

is this for real?

whats that about MR?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 15, 2008, 10:32:16 PM
Quote from: milltown row on December 15, 2008, 10:17:41 PM
so what clubs were putting across thinly veiled threats about referees abusing kids during games to get them to reduce suspensions?

is this for real?

Not sure where this has come from.  Never heard a mention of it before.



I am prepared to give the website time but can't see why Down haven't gone with the tried and tested method used by other counties to provide up-to-date results from club games.  I have heard of a text service where referees send the results of game and they are automatically uploaded to the website.  What would be wrong with this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 15, 2008, 10:34:33 PM
I know PJ Quinn mentioned it at convention but thats the first I had heard of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: milltown row on December 15, 2008, 10:35:27 PM
page 92 in the Sunday Life, Down County Secretary PJ quinn claimed this at the county Convention
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 15, 2008, 10:44:03 PM
Quote from: milltown row on December 15, 2008, 10:35:27 PM
page 92 in the Sunday Life, Down County Secretary PJ quinn claimed this at the county Convention
PJ is Secretary of the Referees Committee.You may want some of our Club spies to spill the beans on this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 15, 2008, 10:49:03 PM
Quote from: milltown row on December 15, 2008, 10:17:41 PM
so what clubs were putting across thinly veiled threats about referees abusing kids during games to get them to reduce suspensions?

is this for real?

If this is really is happening, then the clubs should be named and shamed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: milltown row on December 15, 2008, 10:51:09 PM
2 clubs apparently, but no offical complaint was made. shocking, when ya think about it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 15, 2008, 10:58:31 PM
I'm not sure about what the complaint was against these referees.

Were these referees accused of 'child abuse' or what were these 'veiled threats'?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on December 16, 2008, 12:11:36 AM
I hate to be critical but the new website looks terrible, its gone from bad to worse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 16, 2008, 09:07:46 AM
Open yer eyes man, it wouldn't be a good idea for a message board on the Down site. These things require moderation, and Down GAA just wouldn't have the resources to actively moderate it.

It only takes one slanderous comment for a forum like that to get closed down, so it ain't worth your while building one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 16, 2008, 04:46:30 PM
Did anyone see the yearbook yet!!!
Its really well presented..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 16, 2008, 10:15:51 PM
I see that members of the Down County Board are concerned enough to read what is going on here and even to post on their 'New' Down website about our views on the changes to it.

This has been taken from the Down website:


Some things can change – with your help - Details required for Down GAA Website
 Date : 16/12/2008 15:35  
The new website is now up and running and it is down to club and county officials as well as Down GAA Gaels to supply the information.

When you look at various discussion boards a number of posters complain about not enough info, results, fixtures etc appearing on the website - the reason certain info does not appear is as a result of someone not sending it in for inclusion.

Why does one club have their club note on the website and another club does not
– ANSWER they submitted the info the other club did not.  

Why do results for last weekends games not appear on the website
– ANSWER the results were not sent in either by the relevant committee, club and or referee.



To submit your club notes click on
submit info
Club Notes
and enter the club news in the relevant section – please make sure you title the notes with a date and also please make sure you choose your club.  

If you want to supply a report on a certain match – click on
submit info
Match Reports
and enter the Match report in the relevant section – please make sure you title the report and put in the correct score

If you want to supply photos click on
submit info
Photos
and upload your photos – make sure you label each photos

To submit your county information click on
submit info
Club Notes (over the coming weeks we will can County Notes)
and enter the county information in the relevant section – please make sure you title the notes and include the codes – ie Football, Hurling, Ladies Football, Camogie, Handball, Scor, Schools etc.  



For Results and Fixtures – The results and fixtures section has always been under the control of the relevant fixture body and not the county PRO – ie CCC, South Down, East Down, Camogie Board, Ladies Football Board etc – and it is up the them to supply the info
– if it does not appear on the website, It is because they have not supplied it to the website – Now they may not be able to supply results if a club and/or referee has not supplied them with the result
Over the coming months we hope to train ALL referees in the new facility where they text in the results straight after a game and the results automatically appear on the website.

The success of this website is down to you – supply the information and we will have a site which has all the info people request and want - please feel free to contact the County PRO pro@down.gaa.ie for more information, or to suggest other areas for improvements - YOU CAN HAVE YOUR SAY.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 16, 2008, 10:20:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 16, 2008, 09:07:46 AM
Open yer eyes man, it wouldn't be a good idea for a message board on the Down site. These things require moderation, and Down GAA just wouldn't have the resources to actively moderate it.

It only takes one slanderous comment for a forum like that to get closed down, so it ain't worth your while building one.

I appreciate what you are saying about slanderous comments but if it is moderated effectively then this won't happen.

How do other county's manage to do this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on December 16, 2008, 10:43:52 PM
had a look at the year book today, have to say fair play to diarmuid another excellent publication with great photos, reports and articles. Maybe next year we ll have more to cheer on the senior football front ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 16, 2008, 11:03:45 PM
Content is king on a website and if Downgaa.net can get enough contributors, it'll be a success. I imagine it'll do well.

From a design perspective though, while this sportsmanager.ie crowd seem to have produced a very nice piece of software for collating fixtures and results, they're very obviously not as strong at web design and development.  First of all, I hope they find a way to remove the frames. There isn't much point in having all this content if you're going to force everyone through the front door. A few page descriptions would be nice as well. The date range tool will be a great thing to have, but half the site is currently a date range tool and much else.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 17, 2008, 01:14:37 AM
john rafferty new manager of rostrevor apparently, any word on any other appointments?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 17, 2008, 07:35:18 AM
Where is Pete McGrath goin?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 17, 2008, 07:36:23 AM
Quote from: supersub on December 17, 2008, 01:14:37 AM
john rafferty new manager of rostrevor apparently, any word on any other appointments?

Don't think so - he has recently taken over Errigal Ciarán.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 17, 2008, 09:44:08 AM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on December 17, 2008, 07:36:23 AM
Quote from: supersub on December 17, 2008, 01:14:37 AM
john rafferty new manager of rostrevor apparently, any word on any other appointments?

Don't think so - he has recently taken over Errigal Ciarán.

Maybe I was a bit presumptous - just found this on Tyrone section

Quote from: EC Unique on December 16, 2008, 05:42:38 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on December 15, 2008, 08:49:37 PM
Quote from: midnightcaller on December 15, 2008, 06:26:23 PM
Anybody hear the rumour about Rafferty and Errigal.... Was it to good to be true?

Just heard that Rafferty turned Errigal down on fri,not sure of the reasons tho:)

This is true. He told the club that he had a re-think and decided to go back on his decision :-\.... Dissappointing but Im sure we will not be left managerless
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 17, 2008, 12:56:26 PM
Quote from: Bacon on December 15, 2008, 08:33:04 AM
Square Ball - was the motion from Bredagh to change the Hurling Championship passed?

referred to the CCC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 17, 2008, 01:51:17 PM
Former Bright and Ardglass manager Kyran Smyth is the new man in charge of Downpatrick. There seems to be a big push on in the RGU to revitalise their fortunes at all levels. I see they are introducing a Juvenile Street League aswell.

In regards to the new League proposals, am I right in saying that they are not going to be introduced until 2010? If that's the case then this year, teams in Division 1 will be looking to finish in the top 10 to retain their status. Teams in Division 2 will be looking to avoid the bottom 4 to stay in Division 2 and similarly teams will be looking to avoid the bottom 4 in Division 3 to maintain that status for 2010.

Personally, I would have went ahead and introduced the new format for 2009. The sooner the better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on December 17, 2008, 02:40:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 17, 2008, 01:51:17 PM
Former Bright and Ardglass manager Kyran Smyth is the new man in charge of Downpatrick. There seems to be a big push on in the RGU to revitalise their fortunes at all levels. I see they are introducing a Juvenile Street League aswell.

In regards to the new League proposals, am I right in saying that they are not going to be introduced until 2010? If that's the case then this year, teams in Division 1 will be looking to finish in the top 10 to retain their status. Teams in Division 2 will be looking to avoid the bottom 4 to stay in Division 2 and similarly teams will be looking to avoid the bottom 4 in Division 3 to maintain that status for 2010.

Personally, I would have went ahead and introduced the new format for 2009. The sooner the better.

Yes at last some in Downpatrick are taking the bull by the horns and tackling their demise.
The Street leagues will be a great bonus if they get the support they deserve. Good bunch of lads involved at getting things moving again. I know that people speak highly of the efforts of the likes of Kieran Cunningham, Collie Quinn, Eamon Hogan and Richard Starkey who have been pushing the juvenie end of the things.
But I would not imagine there will be an immediate return on their efforts.
K Smyth is an interesting appointment after the good work he did at Ardglass. He has a fair bit of talent to work with but lets see how the players respond
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 17, 2008, 03:23:15 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on December 17, 2008, 02:40:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 17, 2008, 01:51:17 PM
Former Bright and Ardglass manager Kyran Smyth is the new man in charge of Downpatrick. There seems to be a big push on in the RGU to revitalise their fortunes at all levels. I see they are introducing a Juvenile Street League aswell.

In regards to the new League proposals, am I right in saying that they are not going to be introduced until 2010? If that's the case then this year, teams in Division 1 will be looking to finish in the top 10 to retain their status. Teams in Division 2 will be looking to avoid the bottom 4 to stay in Division 2 and similarly teams will be looking to avoid the bottom 4 in Division 3 to maintain that status for 2010.

Personally, I would have went ahead and introduced the new format for 2009. The sooner the better.

Yes at last some in Downpatrick are taking the bull by the horns and tackling their demise.
The Street leagues will be a great bonus if they get the support they deserve. Good bunch of lads involved at getting things moving again. I know that people speak highly of the efforts of the likes of Kieran Cunningham, Collie Quinn, Eamon Hogan and Richard Starkey who have been pushing the juvenie end of the things.
But I would not imagine there will be an immediate return on their efforts.
K Smyth is an interesting appointment after the good work he did at Ardglass. He has a fair bit of talent to work with but lets see how the players respond

Gorm, its great to see this rejuvenating work being done but as you say, these improvements mighn't necessarilly see immediate returns. I went to school in Downpatrick for 7 years and during my time there I witnessed so many talented Gaelic footballers from the town quit due to a greater love of soccer. In my opinion Soccer is the main reason why the RGU's Senior team has fallen by the wayside. Id say that this Senior team has the highest percentage of dual players (in that I mean Gaelic and Soccer) in any Senior team in Down.
Downpatrick have huge potential. For instance, in what has been considered a lean period for them this past few years, they have still managed to covet two IFC's. Now, as the RGU's proud tradition dictates, this may be seen as an underachievement. However, from what Ive seen this current crop of players seems relatively young and definitely could do something in the next few years. Yet, if the majority of players keep up their Soccer playing past times then I just cant see how their Senior team will progress.
I don't know if anyone will know the answer to this but how many of the all conquering RGU teams of the late 80's/early 90's played Soccer as well as Gaelic?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on December 17, 2008, 03:26:02 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 17, 2008, 01:51:17 PM
Former Bright and Ardglass manager Kyran Smyth is the new man in charge of Downpatrick. There seems to be a big push on in the RGU to revitalise their fortunes at all levels. I see they are introducing a Juvenile Street League aswell.

In regards to the new League proposals, am I right in saying that they are not going to be introduced until 2010? If that's the case then this year, teams in Division 1 will be looking to finish in the top 10 to retain their status. Teams in Division 2 will be looking to avoid the bottom 4 to stay in Division 2 and similarly teams will be looking to avoid the bottom 4 in Division 3 to maintain that status for 2010.

Personally, I would have went ahead and introduced the new format for 2009. The sooner the better.


The County Convention wouldn't have had the power to do that.

At the start of the 08 season teams were aware that the play off system was in place and it was a 2 up 2 down league system.

If they county board had of changed this to a new ten team league structure, it would have been shifting the goalposts somewhat, which wouldn't have been fair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on December 17, 2008, 03:33:38 PM
Stephen Poacher confirmed as the new manager of Án Ríocht! Any thoughts on the appointment lads?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on December 17, 2008, 03:46:47 PM
QuoteI don't know if anyone will know the answer to this but how many of the all conquering RGU teams of the late 80's/early 90's played Soccer as well as Gaelic?

  DF, stick up a team sheet if you can and I'll have a go.  I'd say most of them played soccer with the exception of the Breens and the Deegans.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 17, 2008, 03:49:05 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on December 17, 2008, 09:44:08 AM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on December 17, 2008, 07:36:23 AM
Quote from: supersub on December 17, 2008, 01:14:37 AM
john rafferty new manager of rostrevor apparently, any word on any other appointments?

Don't think so - he has recently taken over Errigal Ciarán.

Maybe I was a bit presumptous - just found this on Tyrone section

Quote from: EC Unique on December 16, 2008, 05:42:38 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on December 15, 2008, 08:49:37 PM
Quote from: midnightcaller on December 15, 2008, 06:26:23 PM
Anybody hear the rumour about Rafferty and Errigal.... Was it to good to be true?

Just heard that Rafferty turned Errigal down on fri,not sure of the reasons tho:)

This is true. He told the club that he had a re-think and decided to go back on his decision :-\.... Dissappointing but Im sure we will not be left managerless

he was deff appointed rostrevor manager as of yesterday, think he was even in rostrevor last night so i heard!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 17, 2008, 04:49:56 PM
Quote from: No1 on December 17, 2008, 03:46:47 PM
QuoteI don't know if anyone will know the answer to this but how many of the all conquering RGU teams of the late 80's/early 90's played Soccer as well as Gaelic?

  DF, stick up a team sheet if you can and I'll have a go.  I'd say most of them played soccer with the exception of the Breens and the Deegans.



This was their squad from the 1990 Down SFC winning team:

R. Starkey, C. Deegan, M. O'Hare, B. Breen, P. Moore, K. Smyth, P. Smith, T.P. Louden, Paul Close, W. Fitzpatrick, P. Evans, J. McGrath.
J. ONeill, M. Bohill, S. Cahir, T. Slavin, M. Quinn, S. Quinn, S.Stockdale, J.Cunningham, P.Deeny.
G. Deegan, H. Rice, G. Breen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on December 17, 2008, 04:59:24 PM
Not as many as I thought.  P. Moore, T.P. Louden, P.Close, W. Fitzpatrick, S.Stockdale and H. Rice are the only ones I would be sure of.

T.P was a budding burger eating champion back then aswell  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Double Cross on December 17, 2008, 05:26:55 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 17, 2008, 04:49:56 PM
This was their squad from the 1990 Down SFC winning team:

R. Starkey, C. Deegan, M. O'Hare, B. Breen, P. Moore, K. Smyth, P. Smith, T.P. Louden, Paul Close, W. Fitzpatrick, P. Evans, J. McGrath.
J. ONeill, M. Bohill, S. Cahir, T. Slavin, M. Quinn, S. Quinn, S.Stockdale, J.Cunningham, P.Deeny.
G. Deegan, H. Rice, G. Breen.


Would that be Shay Quinn?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 17, 2008, 06:43:43 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 17, 2008, 01:51:17 PM
Former Bright and Ardglass manager Kyran Smyth is the new man in charge of Downpatrick. There seems to be a big push on in the RGU to revitalise their fortunes at all levels. I see they are introducing a Juvenile Street League aswell.

In regards to the new League proposals, am I right in saying that they are not going to be introduced until 2010? If that's the case then this year, teams in Division 1 will be looking to finish in the top 10 to retain their status. Teams in Division 2 will be looking to avoid the bottom 4 to stay in Division 2 and similarly teams will be looking to avoid the bottom 4 in Division 3 to maintain that status for 2010.

Personally, I would have went ahead and introduced the new format for 2009. The sooner the better.

  If it's going to be ten in Div 1 and 2,would there not be four dropping down from 1 to 2 and two then going up from Div 2   and six from  Div two to  Div 3  with two coming up from Div 3?  I am def. confused here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 17, 2008, 09:23:22 PM
Quote from: wobbller on December 17, 2008, 06:43:43 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 17, 2008, 01:51:17 PM
Former Bright and Ardglass manager Kyran Smyth is the new man in charge of Downpatrick. There seems to be a big push on in the RGU to revitalise their fortunes at all levels. I see they are introducing a Juvenile Street League aswell.

In regards to the new League proposals, am I right in saying that they are not going to be introduced until 2010? If that's the case then this year, teams in Division 1 will be looking to finish in the top 10 to retain their status. Teams in Division 2 will be looking to avoid the bottom 4 to stay in Division 2 and similarly teams will be looking to avoid the bottom 4 in Division 3 to maintain that status for 2010.

Personally, I would have went ahead and introduced the new format for 2009. The sooner the better.

  If it's going to be ten in Div 1 and 2,would there not be four dropping down from 1 to 2 and two then going up from Div 2   and six from  Div two to  Div 3  with two coming up from Div 3?  I am def. confused here.


So am I. How many go up & down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 17, 2008, 09:25:08 PM
I'd imagine that the exact ramifications weren't released pre-convention on purpose, as it'd never have gone through.

There's some clubs in for an awful shake-up in the not too distant future.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 18, 2008, 01:22:24 PM
Just heard on the vine that grows grapes that Pete McGrath is the new Bryansford manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Super Dupe on December 18, 2008, 02:09:36 PM
The logical solution would be that 3 teams are relegated from Div 1 with only 1 being promoted.  This is likely to give a better balance between the two divisions than 4 teams down and 2 up.

Div 2 could then have possibly 5 going down (five teams relegated, christ thats wild), with only 1 going up from Div 3.

I reckon this is the way the co board will proceed this year.  It will be extremely difficult to get promoted this year to Div 1 or 2, but a helluva lot easier to get relegated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on December 18, 2008, 04:24:24 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 17, 2008, 04:49:56 PM
Quote from: No1 on December 17, 2008, 03:46:47 PM
QuoteI don't know if anyone will know the answer to this but how many of the all conquering RGU teams of the late 80's/early 90's played Soccer as well as Gaelic?

  DF, stick up a team sheet if you can and I'll have a go.  I'd say most of them played soccer with the exception of the Breens and the Deegans.



This was their squad from the 1990 Down SFC winning team:

R. Starkey, C. Deegan, M. O'Hare, B. Breen, P. Moore, K. Smyth, P. Smith, T.P. Louden, Paul Close, W. Fitzpatrick, P. Evans, J. McGrath.
J. ONeill, M. Bohill, S. Cahir, T. Slavin, M. Quinn, S. Quinn, S.Stockdale, J.Cunningham, P.Deeny.
G. Deegan, H. Rice, G. Breen.

seamie cahir played for dpk celts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on December 18, 2008, 04:51:22 PM
Can anyone confirm the appointment of Pete McGrath to Bryansford?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on December 18, 2008, 07:48:53 PM
As regards the changes to be made to the set up of div 1-4 would it not make more sense to make the changes over a period of two seasons rather than over one,  starting this season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 19, 2008, 08:32:50 AM
Why would you do it over 2 seasons?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: real food, real people on December 19, 2008, 04:44:13 PM
has the down mckenna cup squad been announced?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on December 19, 2008, 04:56:57 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 19, 2008, 08:32:50 AM
Why would you do it over 2 seasons?

For the simple reason it would be alot fairer to teams. Rather than having a large number dropping from each division for example,  4 going down from division 1 with two going up from division 2 , then 6 going down to division3 with 2 coming up and so forth . Why not have only 2 going down with one coming up and the same the following year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 19, 2008, 05:04:33 PM
Quote from: real food, real people on December 19, 2008, 04:44:13 PM
has the down mckenna cup squad been announced?

its in the Gaelic Life today....if you cant get a copy then I'm sorry I'm about to hit the pub and cant/wont/couldnt be arsed typing it up...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 19, 2008, 07:58:27 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 19, 2008, 05:04:33 PM
Quote from: real food, real people on December 19, 2008, 04:44:13 PM
has the down mckenna cup squad been announced?

its in the Gaelic Life today....if you cant get a copy then I'm sorry I'm about to hit the pub and cant/wont/couldnt be arsed typing it up...

I can just see the Reporter headline next week "5 SAMS IN PUB SHOCK!"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on December 19, 2008, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on December 18, 2008, 04:51:22 PM
Can anyone confirm the appointment of Pete McGrath to Bryansford?



Yes, that is correct jst heard today in Maginns from one of the ford boys. That could be a big coup for them and if he could steady the ship there they wold be genine contenders this year although he will have his work cut out cause they have plenty of talent down there but a few ackward customers aswell
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on December 19, 2008, 09:28:04 PM
A good appointment for Bryansford, some guys will find themselves out in the cold if they dont shape up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on December 22, 2008, 09:48:48 AM
Is magic likely to get a proper chance?

I have heard good things about Sloan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 22, 2008, 09:53:13 AM
Quote from: corn02 on December 22, 2008, 09:48:48 AM
Is magic likely to get a proper chance?

I have heard good things about Sloan.
Who are you talking about here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on December 22, 2008, 10:02:03 AM
McKenna cup squad. Grathe Johnston and Louis Sloan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 22, 2008, 11:30:47 AM
SF Panel (Dr McKenna Cup):

Aghaderg
Rory Simpson

An Riocht
Brendan McVeigh
John Clarke

Annaclone
Gary McArdle     

Ardglass
Michael Magee 

Atticall
Louis Sloan

Ballyholland
Paul Murphy

Ballymartin
Peter Fitzpatrick             

Bryansford
Joseph Ireland 

Burren
Ciaran McGovern     
Eoin McCartan   
Kevin McKernan

Castlewellan
Kevin Duffin 

Clann na Banna
Michael McAllister     

Clonduff
Aidan Carr
John Fegan

Drumgath
Jackie Lynch         

Loughinisland
Gareth Johnston

Mayobridge
Brendan Coulter   
Cathal Magee 
Conor Garvey 
Ronan Sexton

Rostrevor
Martin Cole   

Saval
Stephen Kearney       
Daniel Hughes
Shamrocks
Hugh Davey   
Damian Rafferty

Warrenpoint
John Boyle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Off The Fence on December 22, 2008, 11:36:24 AM
What is the story with Hugh Davey?

Has he played any ball this year worth talking about?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on December 22, 2008, 11:40:59 AM
What about this lad from Ardglass? Is he gona make any sort of difference to the county squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on December 22, 2008, 12:06:54 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 22, 2008, 09:48:48 AM
Is magic likely to get a proper chance?

I have heard good things about Sloan.

Don't know if magic is the answer. very effective at club level but dont think he would be a long term solution at full forward. he played well in champiuonship semi final but he was alot taller than dan mccartan. conor garvey gave him very little in the final.

sloan is one of the best midfielders about at the minute. i think he was asked to join the panel a couple of times before but didnt go. would have been the best midfield player in division 2 this year.


Also hope michael magee from ardglass puts the effort in and gets a run of games. played against him a few years back. he was playing midfield for ardglass. i asked a man from ardglass why he was never looked at for the county and the man informed me it was because he was only 17! looked a great player then, very quick for a big man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 22, 2008, 12:31:51 PM
We urgently need a full back who has physical presence and can field a ball.
Why not try Sloan there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on December 22, 2008, 12:34:12 PM
i thought turley was doing ok in there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 22, 2008, 12:34:30 PM
Because Sloan has played midfield his whole life and he isn't the quickest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 22, 2008, 03:12:37 PM
Francie Bellew was never the quickest but maybe the most effective fullback of his generation.
Our last decent full back Brian Burns wasn't the quickest.

And where a player operates at club level is not really relevant. If he has the brains and phtsique for No. 3 he can be moulded into that position.

Sloan's clubmate from the late 60's Brendan Sloan (no relation I'm told) was as good a club midfielder in his day as there was in the county  and played most of his county football at corner back.

I think it's called thinking "outside the box" in modern parlance but I'm looking for a remedy on the edge of the box!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on December 22, 2008, 03:14:00 PM
Quote from: Leo on December 22, 2008, 03:12:37 PM
Francie Bellew was never the quickest but maybe the most effective fullback of his generation.
Our last decent full back Brian Burns wasn't the quickest.

And where a player operates at club level is not really relevant. If he has the brains and phtsique for No. 3 he can be moulded into that position.

Sloan's clubmate from the late 60's Brendan Sloan (no relation I'm told) was as good a club midfielder in his day as there was in the county  and played most of his county football at corner back.

I think it's called thinking "outside the box" in modern parlance but I'm looking for a remedy on the edge of the box!

Did he do fullback for the club last year, always had him in my head as a defender not a midfielder. To be honest there are not many lightning fast full-backs and no need as most teams are reverting to the target man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 22, 2008, 03:44:08 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 22, 2008, 03:14:00 PM

Did he do fullback for the club last year, always had him in my head as a defender not a midfielder. To be honest there are not many lightning fast full-backs and no need as most teams are reverting to the target man.

The very point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on December 22, 2008, 04:00:30 PM
Is Mickey Walsh not going to receive another chance for Down? what about Peter Turley, L Howard, Murney, Murtagh?? these boys injured or something??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on December 22, 2008, 04:10:47 PM
Big change from 91 and 94 when 1/2 the starting 15 where from east down.  Now only 4 out of the whole panel from east down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on December 22, 2008, 04:12:01 PM
Quote from: buglebhoy on December 22, 2008, 04:00:30 PM
Is Mickey Walsh not going to receive another chance for Down? what about Peter Turley, L Howard, Murney, Murtagh?? these boys injured or something??

Walsh should be involved but wont be. Howard and Murney on college duty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on December 22, 2008, 05:13:55 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on December 22, 2008, 12:06:54 PM
Quote from: corn02 on December 22, 2008, 09:48:48 AM
Is magic likely to get a proper chance?

I have heard good things about Sloan.

Don't know if magic is the answer. very effective at club level but dont think he would be a long term solution at full forward. he played well in champiuonship semi final but he was alot taller than dan mccartan. conor garvey gave him very little in the final.



Too early to say if Magic is the answer. I would have to say that watching how far he has come in such a short period of time, he could be the answer. His main trouble relates to the amount of time he can devote to football. He needs to play regularly to master the finer details of the game and if that does not happen he may fall just short. His athletic ability is second to non and if he does focus on football, I could see him making a good full forward for Down.

You are correct that Conor Garvey did not give him much room in the final and it is obvious that he is still on a learning curve, but in his defence, we as a team hardly tried to kick the ball into him in the final. Granted, Garvey may still have bettered him, even if we did, but if you starve a full forward like we did, the blame lies elsewhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on December 22, 2008, 06:39:05 PM
Position played for the club is not relevant to that played for the county.
Conor Degan played midfield for Downpatrick but full back for county.
Cormac McAnallin (RIP) is the best example of a player adopting to a position when asked.

East Down representation is very poor.
Of the Senior Championship semi finalists we have.
Mayobridge------- 4
Burren ------------ 3
Saval  ------------- 2
loughinisland -----1

Then league champions
Kilcoo ------------ 0

South Down------- 24
East Down ---------  4

Do Ross and his team not like to travel far to watch matches or is this another symptom of the credit crunch and the price of diesel??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 22, 2008, 08:01:40 PM
The main surprise for me is Turley's absence. He did relatively well when he came in for the qualifiers and looked as though he would benefit from a run in the McKenna Cup, but Ross must not rate him and it seems as though McArdle or possibly Garvey will be at full back.

Rooney only came back from injury towards the end of the summer, and definitely improved things when he came on at Croke Park, so he will probably have been expecting a further chance in January. Murtagh may be only rested, but he had another poor championship and it could be over for him.

I hope that big Fitzpatrick gets a few games at midfield, and it's good to see Eoin McCartan back after his long injury. He had a nightmare in his last county game, against Donegal in the 2006 championship, but he was excellent in the 2007 Sigerson final.

However, if Dan and Ambrose are still missing, it's very difficult to see us coming anywhere close to retaining the trophy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on December 22, 2008, 10:37:16 PM
Has anyone any news on Turley?has he been dropped?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on December 23, 2008, 09:46:52 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on December 22, 2008, 10:37:16 PM
Has anyone any news on Turley?has he been dropped?

No hes hasnt been dropped. work committments at present. seems like a good player. hope to see him get a good run of games at full back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on December 23, 2008, 10:45:36 AM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on December 22, 2008, 06:39:05 PM

Do Ross and his team not like to travel far to watch matches or is this another symptom of the credit crunch and the price of diesel??

eyeswideopen, I dont think the price of diesel is a factor. Probably more like the standard of football in South Down is much higher than East Down. The ratio (4:24) that you have highlighted also coincides with the divide of the management team (E vs S) and is probably about right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on December 23, 2008, 11:14:27 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on December 23, 2008, 10:45:36 AM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on December 22, 2008, 06:39:05 PM

Do Ross and his team not like to travel far to watch matches or is this another symptom of the credit crunch and the price of diesel??

eyeswideopen, I dont think the price of diesel is a factor. Probably more like the standard of football in South Down is much higher than East Down. The ratio (4:24) that you have highlighted also coincides with the divide of the management team (E vs S) and is probably about right.

If 6 players from Newry Shamrocks get a trial with Down then there are plenty of players from east down who should be getting trials.  It seems the scouts are watching South Down teams more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 23, 2008, 10:25:08 PM
Kilcoo is not a long way from the south/east Down dividing line (about a mile ?), and it's pretty surprising that yet again none of their players have made the cut even for an experimental squad. Conor Lavery is their main man, but sadly, although he is an exceptional talent, he is almost certainly too small to make it at county level. However, they have some of the best underage prospects in Down who are bound to come through the system over the next couple of years. The indications are that some starting places for the championship are up for grabs anyway. Murtagh is unlikely to return, among others, and Benny is probably the only forward sure of his jersey for the summer at this stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 23, 2008, 11:37:20 PM
How many of last year's championship panel will return and more importantly , how many do we want to return?  Basically, its been the same team for a few years now with just the odd change here and there.  The subs two years ago were slated for lacking ambition and just happy to be part of the panel and get the gear etc.

Were last year's panel any different?  Until we get a totally focused panel actually pushing for places, with few guaranteed starting slots, then we are going nowhere.  We need realistic competition for all jerseys or we'll continue to be also rans and second rate.

There were some excellent performances last year but we need consistency - particularly in the Summer months and not in the Mc Kenna Cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 24, 2008, 01:31:28 AM
I know Paul Devlin is still at school but i think he deserves a run out in the league, if your good enough your old enough!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 24, 2008, 01:34:42 AM
He might be still at school but he's out of minor age - definately worth taking into the panel, just for experience alone.

Its not gonna be too long until he's there so bring him in now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on December 25, 2008, 12:20:59 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on December 22, 2008, 10:37:16 PM
Has anyone any news on Turley?has he been dropped?
Was talking to a Downpatrick player and he tells me that Turley is starting a new job that involves 3 months training and he cannot do any sport or sporting training( with physical contact) for 12 weeks or so. Apparently Ross is very keen that he is back for the NFL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on December 25, 2008, 11:48:07 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 23, 2008, 10:25:08 PM
Kilcoo is not a long way from the south/east Down dividing line (about a mile ?), and it's pretty surprising that yet again none of their players have made the cut even for an experimental squad. Conor Lavery is their main man, but sadly, although he is an exceptional talent, he is almost certainly too small to make it at county level. However, they have some of the best underage prospects in Down who are bound to come through the system over the next couple of years. The indications are that some starting places for the championship are up for grabs anyway. Murtagh is unlikely to return, among others, and Benny is probably the only forward sure of his jersey for the summer at this stage.

Can't see why murtagh is unlikely to return, he's only 27 and there's a few seasons left in him yet!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 25, 2008, 05:24:29 PM
Buglebhoy, as the sentence before the quote you highlight indicates, I was talking about the 2009 championship. Murtagh is a talented player who may well return in future seasons, but, unless things go badly for Down in the league, it remains unlikely, though not impossible, that he will be involved this summer.

Murtagh has the ability, but he has seldom managed to produce it on a regular championship basis. In 2007, for example, he was initially brilliant when he switched to wing half back in the preliminary round away to Cavan, and ran half the length of the field to kick the equalising point in injury time. However, he went down hill from there and by the time we played Meath in the qualifiers he was really struggling.

This year, he did reasonably well against Tyrone, but apart from one fine point, made little impact against Armagh. The less said about his display against Wexford at Croke Park the better, and he could not have been surprised when he was left out of the McKenna squad.

Murtagh has probably suffered from the fact that he can play in almost all of the six forward positions, but has not made any of them his own.     
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on December 26, 2008, 12:22:53 AM
http://www.squareball.com/club-county/pitch-finder/pairc-esler/  50 euro prize for four years for writing 200 words on pairc esler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on December 26, 2008, 12:41:55 AM
Would prefer Murtagh over Eoin Mc Cartan any day. Murtagh had a poor season but the ability is undoubtedly there. I could say the same for Mc Cartan, average player, not County Standard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 26, 2008, 01:16:31 PM
There is no doubt about Murtagh's ability but the question is over his ability to display it on anything like a regular basis. I mentioned his switch to wing half back against Cavan in the USC preliminary round of 2007, when he did well, but it would be very difficult to point to another game over the last three or four years when he made a similar impact. His best option might be alongside Benny in a two-man ful forward line, but McComiskey, if fit, would be a better bet there. A break should do Murtagh no harm at this stage.

McCartan has had so many injuries he is hard to assess. His last county match, away to Donegal in the 2006 USC, was a disaster, but he turned the 2007 Sigerson final for Queen's when he came off the bench. If he is fit again, he is at least worth a run. We are not exactly overloaded with scoring forwards at the moment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 26, 2008, 01:52:07 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 26, 2008, 01:16:31 PM
There is no doubt about Murtagh's ability but the question is over his ability to display it on anything like a regular basis. I mentioned his switch to wing half back against Cavan in the USC preliminary round of 2007, when he did well, but it would be very difficult to point to another game over the last three or four years when he made a similar impact. His best option might be alongside Benny in a two-man ful forward line, but McComiskey, if fit, would be a better bet there. A break should do Murtagh no harm at this stage.

McCartan has had so many injuries he is hard to assess. His last county match, away to Donegal in the 2006 USC, was a disaster, but he turned the 2007 Sigerson final for Queen's when he came off the bench. If he is fit again, he is at least worth a run. We are not exactly overloaded with scoring forwards at the moment.

  The word around Newry is that Rony is taking a break himself as unlike most others he has plenty of work on at the minute.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on December 26, 2008, 05:37:08 PM
Again a great asset for Down with his strong running and fitness.a very focussed young man a winner and the sooner he is back the better !!
Young mc cartan will be a good squad member but will not be a starter but useful to bring on.
We need Michael Walsh back and a bit of man management from our managers.We cannot have a quality guy like him not in our side!!





                                         the gael takes no prisoners!


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on December 29, 2008, 11:39:13 PM
East Down fixtures for this week:

East Down Under 20 (2008 Competition) Section "B"
Tuesday,  30th  December @ 2.00pm       Venue: Liatroim
St. Mary's   v Kilcoo  (G Corrigan)

Plus 2 Print Downpatrick  U-13 Football League Semi- finals
Sunday, 4th  January @ 12.00pm   Venue: Downpatrick
Carryduff A     v Saul  (P McCartan)

Sunday, 4th  January @ 1.30pm    Venue: Downpatrick
Bryansford   v Bredagh   (M  Brady)

East Down Under 20 (2008 Competition) Section "A"
Sunday, 4th  January @ 12.00pm
Drumaness   v Dun Ghláis  (G Tumelty)

East Down Under 20 (2008 Competition) Section "B"
Sunday, 4th  January@ 12.00pm
Loughinisland v Bredagh   (P Gelston)
Castlewellan  v St. Mary's  (P Brownlee)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on December 30, 2008, 04:30:17 PM
The new Darragh Cross manager is Eamon Burns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 30, 2008, 05:15:40 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on December 26, 2008, 12:41:55 AM
Would prefer Murtagh over Eoin Mc Cartan any day. Murtagh had a poor season but the ability is undoubtedly there. I could say the same for Mc Cartan, average player, not County Standard

Complete nonsense. Eoin has struggled badly with injuries but to say the ability isn't there is ludicrous. If he can keep himself injury free and even come close to fulfilling his potential, he'd be an asset to any intercounty side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on December 30, 2008, 06:00:38 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 30, 2008, 05:15:40 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on December 26, 2008, 12:41:55 AM
Would prefer Murtagh over Eoin Mc Cartan any day. Murtagh had a poor season but the ability is undoubtedly there. I could say the same for Mc Cartan, average player, not County Standard

Complete nonsense. Eoin has struggled badly with injuries but to say the ability isn't there is ludicrous. If he can keep himself injury free and even come close to fulfilling his potential, he'd be an asset to any intercounty side.

Correct

Eoin has always had the ablity, that has been shown any time he has stayed injury free for club or uni, he just hasn't had a long enough crack at it for county. Not to mention he is 100% dedicated and will work all day unlike some...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on December 30, 2008, 06:10:49 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 30, 2008, 06:00:38 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 30, 2008, 05:15:40 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on December 26, 2008, 12:41:55 AM
Would prefer Murtagh over Eoin Mc Cartan any day. Murtagh had a poor season but the ability is undoubtedly there. I could say the same for Mc Cartan, average player, not County Standard

Complete nonsense. Eoin has struggled badly with injuries but to say the ability isn't there is ludicrous. If he can keep himself injury free and even come close to fulfilling his potential, he'd be an asset to any intercounty side.

Correct

Eoin has always had the ablity, that has been shown any time he has stayed injury free for club or uni, he just hasn't had a long enough crack at it for county. Not to mention he is 100% dedicated and will work all day unlike some...


Yeah i would def. have Eoin starting. He has just been very unlucky with injuries
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on December 30, 2008, 06:56:28 PM
Quote from: the milkman on December 30, 2008, 06:10:49 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on December 30, 2008, 06:00:38 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 30, 2008, 05:15:40 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on December 26, 2008, 12:41:55 AM
Would prefer Murtagh over Eoin Mc Cartan any day. Murtagh had a poor season but the ability is undoubtedly there. I could say the same for Mc Cartan, average player, not County Standard

Complete nonsense. Eoin has struggled badly with injuries but to say the ability isn't there is ludicrous. If he can keep himself injury free and even come close to fulfilling his potential, he'd be an asset to any intercounty side.
Guff.
Not a county player no matter how far you stretch the imagination. Good club player. period.
Correct

Eoin has always had the ablity, that has been shown any time he has stayed injury free for club or uni, he just hasn't had a long enough crack at it for county. Not to mention he is 100% dedicated and will work all day unlike some...


Yeah i would def. have Eoin starting. He has just been very unlucky with injuries
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 30, 2008, 07:58:36 PM
Anyone know the St. Mary's v Kilcoo u20 result from today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on December 30, 2008, 10:13:08 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 30, 2008, 07:58:36 PM
Anyone know the St. Mary's v Kilcoo u20 result from today?

SB - the Down website (which I think is a major improvement btw) shows the result as St Marys 1-9 Kilcoo 1-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on December 30, 2008, 10:14:38 PM

  The word around Newry is that Rony is taking a break himself as unlike most others he has plenty of work on at the minute.


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wobbler - heard that meself ! i think rony must've put that word out to save his blushes - lets face it - the panel released to papers isnt exactly the stongest or most talented bunch. its a bit embarassing that rony cant make the cut so to save his ego he,s telling that story. any other time and we would believe him but given the current climate......no chance-he got the boot!!

what are the spice boys going to do without Prince Spice.. :D :D

Back to business, St marys Sunday = shall we get the season of to a winning start?? ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 30, 2008, 10:23:45 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on December 30, 2008, 10:13:08 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 30, 2008, 07:58:36 PM
Anyone know the St. Mary's v Kilcoo u20 result from today?

SB - the Down website (which I think is a major improvement btw) shows the result as St Marys 1-9 Kilcoo 1-12

Cheers

I looked there first before I posted on here and it wasn't there.

About the site, i will wait and see when the season gets up and running and see how it copes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on December 30, 2008, 10:56:07 PM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on December 30, 2008, 10:14:38 PM

  The word around Newry is that Rony is taking a break himself as unlike most others he has plenty of work on at the minute.



wobbler - heard that meself ! i think rony must've put that word out to save his blushes - lets face it - the panel released to papers isnt exactly the stongest or most talented bunch. its a bit embarassing that rony cant make the cut so to save his ego he,s telling that story. any other time and we would believe him but given the current climate......no chance-he got the boot!!

what are the spice boys going to do without Prince Spice.. :D :D

Back to business, St marys Sunday = shall we get the season of to a winning start?? ;)
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And what an ego it is to try and save!!!

How he has been a regular for Down over the last few years has amazed me, never mind managing to stay on in most games for Down last year when he was contributing next to nothing.

Its good to see other lads getting a chance as they can't be any worse than some of the 'Spice boys' alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on December 31, 2008, 11:27:45 AM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on December 30, 2008, 10:56:07 PM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on December 30, 2008, 10:14:38 PM

  The word around Newry is that Rony is taking a break himself as unlike most others he has plenty of work on at the minute.



wobbler - heard that meself ! i think rony must've put that word out to save his blushes - lets face it - the panel released to papers isnt exactly the stongest or most talented bunch. its a bit embarassing that rony cant make the cut so to save his ego he,s telling that story. any other time and we would believe him but given the current climate......no chance-he got the boot!!

what are the spice boys going to do without Prince Spice.. :D :D

Back to business, St marys Sunday = shall we get the season of to a winning start?? ;)

And what an ego it is to try and save!!!

How he has been a regular for Down over the last few years has amazed me, never mind managing to stay on in most games for Down last year when he was contributing next to nothing.

Its good to see other lads getting a chance as they can't be any worse than some of the 'Spice boys' alright.

[/quote]


Im 99% sure that Ronan said after the Wexford game that he wouldnt be free to play next year! However thats fine because in far to many games he simple hasnt shown up!

Come the summer time I would like to Ross line up with Mc Comiskey playing just behind Eoin and Benny, think would interesting to see! Has anybody a clue about what sort of team will be playing on Sunday??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 02, 2009, 04:20:43 PM
I was just looking at this post onn the Tyrone website about the future centre of excellence:


Quote from: redcard on January 02, 2009, 03:13:51 AM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=a-90mDJKHlo

The future. love the people all sitting on the grass

taken from http://www.tyronegaa.ie/countyboard/news/story.jsp?newsid=730

Jez lads, we are light years behind Tyrone and its gonna get worse.  When is out county board gonna get the finger out a do something about this?  They wouldn't allow Club Down to continue because they couldn't control them.  Sure a few years back they would only allow the Down Supporters Club to continue as long as it was on their terms and they had representation on the committee itself.  We need men with the necessary expertise to raise funds and build for the future.  Most other countys are looking to the future and developing facilities for their teams to prepare properly.  Us - we were hoping to sell a field to Tesco for x million which would dig us out of the hole we are in and we change our jersey to look like the one we had when we were winning All Irelands so that we can start winning them again, just like that.   ???   

In terms of coaching, we have 3 or 4 second rate coaches to cover all the primary schools in the county and some of our development squads are a joke with kids not wanting to go to them.  Where is this all leading?  We are definately on the slippery slope and the hills are getting steeper.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on January 02, 2009, 05:19:38 PM
have to agree there with you to an extent. The standard of coaching in key areas is quite poor. The schools in down are as good as tyrone as regards success/development but development squads, minor, u21 teams poor. Have we even won a game at minor or u21 in last few years ???? ??? Who selects the coaches to these development teams????  ??? What criteria do you need to meet is there a standard???  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 02, 2009, 06:02:26 PM
It looks as though perspective has been left in 2008 on this thread.

Down won an Ulster under-21 last year, and also in 2005. An All-Ireland minor championship was landed in 2005 and 1999.

With five valuable pieces of underage silverware in the past decade, statistically we're doing much better than average.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on January 02, 2009, 07:29:06 PM
Now now what has been happening to ye all over the Christmas period - Ronan Murtagh has not got the time at the minute regarding work etc and given the current economic climate and forecasts he may make his hay as best he can.The guy has been a great servant to Down and hopefully before this season is out he will be back playing for Down - he is a terrific fella strong athletic and positive.
Talking about Eoin McCartan as i said before good to have him injury free but with a full panel to pick from he  is merely a squad player and useful the odd time to bring on.Eoin McCartan is no addition to Down other than as a half decent squad man!






                                                   the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on January 02, 2009, 09:54:38 PM
Quote from: thegael on January 02, 2009, 07:29:06 PM
Now now what has been happening to ye all over the Christmas period - Ronan Murtagh has not got the time at the minute regarding work etc and given the current economic climate and forecasts he may make his hay as best he can.The guy has been a great servant to Down and hopefully before this season is out he will be back playing for Down - he is a terrific fella strong athletic and positive.
Talking about Eoin McCartan as i said before good to have him injury free but with a full panel to pick from he  is merely a squad player and useful the odd time to bring on.Eoin McCartan is no addition to Down other than as a half decent squad man!






                                                   the gael takes no prisoners!


You are being extremely harsh on Eoin, if he stays injury free and gets a run of games to prove himself I fully expect him to start. And you can be guaranteed 100% effort also.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on January 02, 2009, 10:24:28 PM
Now please wise up milkman , the young fella Eoin McCartan wouldn't survive on McMenamin , Gourley , or the Mc Mahons they would eat him up and spit him out.
He wouldn't survive out there in the red heat of inter- county championship and remember back to Ballybofey against Donegal in the championship where his lack of  workrate lead to Donegal's goal and subsequent defeat for Down.
The gael doesnt want to be harsh on the young fella but facts are facts as the gael says he would be useful around the panel for squad games etc or the odd run out.








                                                   the gael takes no prisoners!



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 02, 2009, 10:46:13 PM
Quote from: thegael on January 02, 2009, 10:24:28 PM
Now please wise up milkman , the young fella Eoin McCartan wouldn't survive on McMenamin , Gourley , or the Mc Mahons they would eat him up and spit him out.
He wouldn't survive out there in the red heat of inter- county championship and remember back to Ballybofey against Donegal in the championship where his lack of  workrate lead to Donegal's goal and subsequent defeat for Down.
The gael doesnt want to be harsh on the young fella but facts are facts as the gael says he would be useful around the panel for squad games etc or the odd run out.








                                                   the gael takes no prisoners!





What age was Eoin when this happened?? Give him a break, do you expect players just to instantly fit into county teams. Get a grip.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The GAA on January 02, 2009, 11:17:17 PM

ah, ronan murtagh. it never ceses to amaze me how many guys with wing mirrors make it on lesser county teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 03, 2009, 12:49:22 AM
It's a pity to see childish abuse of county players, as there is no doubt about Murtagh's ball-winning ability. It's his use of possession, and in particular his scoring rate, which has been his problem in recent seasons. He did get 1-5 against Offaly, but in all fairness they were woeful on the day and our total of 5-19 says it all. Murtagh started every one of our 08 championship matches, and, apart from Tullamore, managed two points overall in the other five games. On that basis, we are obliged to look elsewhere for at least the time being. If he comes back, good luck to him.

The Gael is entirely wrong to claim that McCartan's poor display against Donegal in 2006 was due to work rate. It was a lack of concentration which allowed him to lose track of Dunnion on two crucial occasions and effectively cost us the game. McCartan works very hard across the field, and is worth another look. Along the way, he will have to prove that he provides more of a scoring threat than Murtagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 03, 2009, 04:16:22 AM
Lads its very easy to sit behind a computer screen and make cheap shots at certain players, Murtagh has been a great servant for Down since 1999 when he was a minor... and there is no one more dangerous or who can dictate a game in Down than Murtagh playing for Ballyholland....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on January 03, 2009, 09:43:08 AM
Now please wise up milkman , the young fella Eoin McCartan wouldn't survive on McMenamin , Gourley , or the Mc Mahons they would eat him up and spit him out.
He wouldn't survive out there in the red heat of inter- county championship and remember back to Ballybofey against Donegal in the championship where his lack of  workrate lead to Donegal's goal and subsequent defeat for Down.
The gael doesnt want to be harsh on the young fella but facts are facts as the gael says he would be useful around the panel for squad games etc or the odd run out.

Ronan Murtagh on the other hand is a special type of player strong fit and great at taking teams on we need him back asap.
The big talking point has to be Michael Walsh we need him on our team.Has the mananagement got a grudge against him?The signs are that this management has not  got man management skills but hey if they want to organise a knees up or a bonding weekend well they would be all ireland champions!More emphasis put on drinking etc which really is worrying hopefully these two young managers  will learn the errors of their ways - ah but sadly bars are the place they think Down can win All-Irelands , instead of running around trying to raise cash for a bonding weekend get Micky Walsh back in the fold.









                                                             the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 04, 2009, 09:47:58 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on January 03, 2009, 04:16:22 AM
Lads its very easy to sit behind a computer screen and make cheap shots at certain players, Murtagh has been a great servant for Down since 1999 when he was a minor... and there is no one more dangerous or who can dictate a game in Down than Murtagh playing for Ballyholland....

totally agree T.  people here think its alright to personally insult players using there anonymity to do so. and for someone to suggest that ronan murtagh plays with 'wing mirrors' has obviously never seen him play!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 04, 2009, 02:53:20 PM
Just got a text, 8-7 to St Marys half time...

Down team: McAllister, Rafferty, McKernan, Davey, Garvey, Sloan, Boyle, Ireland, Lynch, Kearney, Hughes, Fegan, Sexton, M Magee, C Magee

Interesting line up there if it is the way I received the text, McKernan at full back, Hugh Davey in the corner, Boyle half back... Good to see Garvey getting a run out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 04, 2009, 09:15:15 PM
Down's second hanlf improvement came when the negative across field play (evidenced by Boyle and others) was replaced with strong delivery to teh forwards who then had a field day against a poor St Mary's defence.

Rafferty & Davey surprised me with good contributions, Lynch was abysmal and Hughes both good and bad. Saw enough of Sloan to say he should be given an extended run - clearly not fit by county standards but this will improve.

Always liked Murtagh but have come to the view that there is no future for the team with players like him who just are not smart enough at this level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on January 04, 2009, 09:22:24 PM
Quote from: Leo on January 04, 2009, 09:15:15 PM
Down's second hanlf improvement came when the negative across field play (evidenced by Boyle and others) was replaced with strong delivery to teh forwards who then had a field day against a poor St Mary's defence.

Rafferty & Davey surprised me with good contributions, Lynch was abysmal and Hughes both good and bad. Saw enough of Sloan to say he should be given an extended run - clearly not fit by county standards but this will improve.

Always liked Murtagh but have come to the view that there is no future for the team with players like him who just are not smart enough at this level.


Yeah i thought Davey looked good, he hit some good passes while under pressure!  sloan, m magee looked good and should improve when they are fully fit. big cathal magee caught a few great catches and tooks his goals well.

less said about big jack the better
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on January 04, 2009, 09:33:52 PM
FAO of t'o hare amallon bridgegael etc

The gael is quite interested in the feeling around the bridge on the absence of Micky Walsh from the panel.

The gael is also interested to know is the culture of drinking and late nite activity ceased for prominent players , players who should be role models , I would hope  that 2009 might be the year that the bridge puts this behind them.The gael would also be keen to know do the bridge players have any code of conduct about how they conduct themselves both on and off the field even in terms of perception of their behaviour.


                                                the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on January 04, 2009, 09:45:18 PM
Quote from: thegael on January 04, 2009, 09:33:52 PM
FAO of t'o hare amallon bridgegael etc

The gael is quite interested in the feeling around the bridge on the absence of Micky Walsh from the panel.

The gael is also interested to know is the culture of drinking and late nite activity ceased for prominent players , players who should be role models , I would hope  that 2009 might be the year that the bridge puts this behind them.The gael would also be keen to know do the bridge players have any code of conduct about how they conduct themselves both on and off the field even in terms of perception of their behaviour.


                                                the gael takes no prisoners!

FAO A Mallon or Bridgegael, are you seriously expected to answer a clown like him??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on January 04, 2009, 10:44:18 PM
Quote from: thegael on January 04, 2009, 09:33:52 PM
FAO of t'o hare amallon bridgegael etc

The gael is quite interested in the feeling around the bridge on the absence of Micky Walsh from the panel.

The gael is also interested to know is the culture of drinking and late nite activity ceased for prominent players , players who should be role models , I would hope  that 2009 might be the year that the bridge puts this behind them.The gael would also be keen to know do the bridge players have any code of conduct about how they conduct themselves both on and off the field even in terms of perception of their behaviour.



the gael takes no prisoners - is right!!

the gael must be referring to an incident involving Coulter at a nightclub- which is a far away from the field and shouldnt be up for discussion on this gaa board!

I dont see how anyone else from mayobridge can be held responsible for the conduct of anyone from within their parish - if it was joe bloggs there wouldnt be a word of it!!
                                         
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on January 04, 2009, 11:16:45 PM
Boys some of us seem to be having a laugh!
Hug Davey was run into the ground by McGoldrick (6) when he was on him. It was only when Boyle went onto him Down seemed to force him to play in his own half.

Big Jackie takes some amount of crap from supposed supporters in the stands. He is a scapegoat. He makes a mistake uproar. Hughes or Sexton messes up nothing. I thought Jack wasn't best player on field but without him in midfield especially in 1st half we would've got cleaned out. Joe Ireland was non existent.

Cathal Magee took his goals well but looks very slow and if we are hoping to launch balls in the square come the Championship we are in trouble.
Big Michael Magee done well, thought he kicked smart point & looks big lump of lad who has potential.

But St Marys were very poor started like a house on fire & shouldve went in at the break possibly 6 or 7 up. Their legs went and the goals made game look like thumping.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 04, 2009, 11:19:41 PM
the gael must be referring to an incident involving Coulter at a nightclub- which is a far away from the field and shouldnt be up for discussion on this gaa board!

As Coulter is an Employee of the Down G.A.A., it is a fit topic of discussion on a G.A.A. board. I know nothing of the incident you refer too, and am passing no judgement, but too say it should not be discussed is patent nonsense
Title: Rony Murtagh
Post by: 5 Sams on January 04, 2009, 11:48:34 PM
So the Milkman, GAAHEAD 2008 and Open Yer Eyes Man have got pissed off with Hoganstand.com and have arrived on the board in the past 5 minutes making definitive statements about one of Down's most consistent performers over the last 7 or 8 years.....dont forget that Down have been pure dung over that period and he was one of the few that has performed consistently then. Murtagh will be back in a month...the lad has been knocking his pan in for Down over the last 10 years to the detriment of his social life, family life and career...he has a good good business going and is in the middle of making it even better ....so butt out and leave him alone....he'll be starting against Fermanagh in May...mark my words.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 05, 2009, 12:09:52 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 04, 2009, 11:48:34 PM
So the Milkman, GAAHEAD 2008 and Open Yer Eyes Man have got pissed off with Hoganstand.com and have arrived on the board in the past 5 minutes making definitive statements about one of Down's most consistent performers over the last 7 or 8 years.....dont forget that Down have been pure dung over that period and he was one of the few that has performed consistently then. Murtagh will be back in a month...the lad has been knocking his pan in for Down over the last 10 years to the detriment of his social life, family life and career...he has a good good business going and is in the middle of making it even better ....so butt out and leave him alone....he'll be starting against Fermanagh in May...mark my words.

What exactly did I say that has got you so defensive?  He was crap last year and could have been taken off in a number of games - how can you deny this?  I believe he is over rated like some other Down players but as you say we have been 'dung' over the last few years and its time other players get a chance.  They can do no worse.

Answer me this - according to you 'he has been knocking his pan in for Down over the last 10 years to the detriment of his social life, family life and career.'  Now I cant comment on his family life but how has he managed to get' a good good business going' if playing for Down has had such a detrimental effect on his work - a wee bit of a contradiction there.

And playing for Down has also had a detrimental effect on his social life as well  :D - since he is a well known member of the Down spice boys club, I fail to see any evidence for this.   :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 05, 2009, 12:20:06 AM
Quote from: thegael on January 04, 2009, 09:33:52 PM
FAO of t'o hare amallon bridgegael etc

The gael is quite interested in the feeling around the bridge on the absence of Micky Walsh from the panel.

The gael is also interested to know is the culture of drinking and late nite activity ceased for prominent players , players who should be role models , I would hope  that 2009 might be the year that the bridge puts this behind them.The gael would also be keen to know do the bridge players have any code of conduct about how they conduct themselves both on and off the field even in terms of perception of their behaviour.


                                                the gael takes no prisoners!

We won the senior, minor and reserve championships by partying hard... we dont train, we just drink all week and turn up on matchdays, sure football in Down is crap  and so easy, is it true other clubs train three times a week!!! Use our model!!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 05, 2009, 09:14:27 AM
5 Sams is quite right to dismiss the personal abuse against players which some posters offer, but Murtagh has to be open to criticism on the basis of his displays in a Down jersey over the last couple of years. He started all six championship matches in our forward line last summer, and, apart from Offaly, which was little more than a training run, he managed two points in the other five games. He has ability and pace, but has not used it to damage our opposition for some time. A break is probably the answer, so good luck to him if he returns a better player. If he does not improve substantially on his 208 form, there is not much point in starting him against Fermanagh. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 05, 2009, 09:54:20 AM
Good enough second half from Down yesterday and if they only came together collectively for the first time on Friday you couldn't ask for more . Few boys carrying the turkey but I'm sure that will be knocked off them in the coming months . Thought John Boyle did well up until he went off for God knows what , even landed Down's first 45 since the Gregory McCartan days . Impossible to judge Hugh Davey on one outing but I thought he did rightly , seen plenty of ball and made plenty of mistakes but he didn't hide so we will have to see . A lot of nerves and inexperience all over the pitch but as the game went on they started to get a feel for it so good luck to them . Bigger test next week .

On the Ronan Murtagh thing , I think it's poor enough form to be sticking up aul pub talk about players private lives on a discussion board , These lads  are putting in the hard work and trying their best to win for Down which is what we all want . If people don't rate a player that's fair enough but their private lives should not be up for discussion .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Clown on January 05, 2009, 09:58:44 AM
i agree, some of the personal abuse on here isnt on, it has the potential to knock a players confidence completely

writing about players private lives is also uncalled for. these players are amateur sportsmen, they shudnt hav to take this level of scrutiny and criticism
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on January 05, 2009, 10:00:20 AM
Was at the game yesterday, and thought it was a promising display from the new guys.

The main thing that irritated me was entry fee. £8 to a McKenna cup match in Janurary against a university team, seemed abit much. And no student rate either. Another flop by the ulster council. May kill the supporters for the rest of the fixtures.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on January 05, 2009, 10:01:36 AM
Down need Ronan Murtagh desparately, we don't measure our players by scoring alone - his blistering pace and strength are something to behold and has made many a fine contribution to Down.The guy is a very positive person and the sooner he is back the better!
Mickey Walsh is another we need and why in the name of goodness he is not there is beyond the gael - these managers need a lesson from Kevin  Heffernan in man management.
Kevin Heffernan wasn't running around putting his energy into bonding and drinking sessions ,but then again he is a man with wisdom!The sooner we in Down realise what is going on the better with this pantomine of paid hangers on.
Overall yesterday really told us nothing against a very sub standard side.






                                                                      the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 05, 2009, 10:05:31 AM
Quote from: SQUAREBALL on January 05, 2009, 10:00:20 AM
Was at the game yesterday, and thought it was a promising display from the new guys.

The main thing that irritated me was entry fee. £8 to a McKenna cup match in Janurary against a university team, seemed abit much. And no student rate either. Another flop by the ulster council. May kill the supporters for the rest of the fixtures.



Yeah and I want better value for my Euro , £8 is not E10  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 05, 2009, 10:12:43 AM
I replied to comments made about him, initially in relation to the 'Spice Boy' thing.  I believe it was the current manager of Down who coined this phrase in relation to the exploits of some members of the Down team and their off the field activities.  There is nothing new here which hasn't been mentioned before.

I take it everyone is also going to jump to the defence of the Mayobridge senior team, including some prominent Down players, who are also coming in for alot of criticism for their 'culture of drinking and late nite activity.'  Theres not much mention of this
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 05, 2009, 10:22:28 AM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 05, 2009, 10:12:43 AM
I replied to comments made about him, initially in relation to the 'Spice Boy' thing.  I believe it was the current manager of Down who coined this phrase in relation to the exploits of some members of the Down team and their off the field activities.  There is nothing new here which hasn't been mentioned before.

I take it everyone is also going to jump to the defence of the Mayobridge senior team, including some prominent Down players, who are also coming in for alot of criticism for their 'culture of drinking and late nite activity.'  Theres not much mention of this

No need for this type of sh1te on here...away back to Bebo and slag someone else off.
Title: Re: Rony Murtagh
Post by: the milkman on January 05, 2009, 10:28:36 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 04, 2009, 11:48:34 PM
So the Milkman, GAAHEAD 2008 and Open Yer Eyes Man have got pissed off with Hoganstand.com and have arrived on the board in the past 5 minutes making definitive statements about one of Down's most consistent performers over the last 7 or 8 years.....dont forget that Down have been pure dung over that period and he was one of the few that has performed consistently then. Murtagh will be back in a month...the lad has been knocking his pan in for Down over the last 10 years to the detriment of his social life, family life and career...he has a good good business going and is in the middle of making it even better ....so butt out and leave him alone....he'll be starting against Fermanagh in May...mark my words.

5 sams are you Ronan?

Obviously he has given great service to Down football over the years, I just think its time to change things about, having virtually the same panel for so long simple cant be good (unless you are winning)

and not once have I mentioned about a players personal life, dont think that it has any relevance and shouldn't be brought up here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 05, 2009, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: downredblack on January 05, 2009, 09:54:20 AM
Thought John Boyle did well up until he went off for God knows what , even landed Down's first 45 since the Gregory McCartan days .


What???
I said at half time Boyle would be sent off for persistent fouling - he has no idea how to tackle and runs about like a headless chicken, pushing opponents anytime he is near one. Everytime he gets possession he turns back  towrads his own goals and then lays a lazy soccer-style sideways or backwards ball to another defender. It was only when he was moved up forwards in the second half that our halfback line got to grips with the game and started giving the sort of supply that turns into scores.

Not within a million miles of being a county player. A poor man's Kevin McGuigan with cycling shorts.
Title: Re: Rony Murtagh
Post by: 5 Sams on January 05, 2009, 10:58:56 AM
Quote from: the milkman on January 05, 2009, 10:28:36 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 04, 2009, 11:48:34 PM
So the Milkman, GAAHEAD 2008 and Open Yer Eyes Man have got pissed off with Hoganstand.com and have arrived on the board in the past 5 minutes making definitive statements about one of Down's most consistent performers over the last 7 or 8 years.....dont forget that Down have been pure dung over that period and he was one of the few that has performed consistently then. Murtagh will be back in a month...the lad has been knocking his pan in for Down over the last 10 years to the detriment of his social life, family life and career...he has a good good business going and is in the middle of making it even better ....so butt out and leave him alone....he'll be starting against Fermanagh in May...mark my words.

5 sams are you Ronan?

Obviously he has given great service to Down football over the years, I just think its time to change things about, having virtually the same panel for so long simple cant be good (unless you are winning)

and not once have I mentioned about a players personal life, dont think that it has any relevance and shouldn't be brought up here.

Fair enough Milkman....on reading back through the posts I shouldnt have included you with some of the others eejits slagging off players....and by the way I'm not Rony...it's just that I know what sort of sacrfice these boys make and they have no way of defending themselves from some of the unwarranted stuff on here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 05, 2009, 11:07:17 AM
Quote from: Leo on January 05, 2009, 10:46:13 AM
Quote from: downredblack on January 05, 2009, 09:54:20 AM
Thought John Boyle did well up until he went off for God knows what , even landed Down's first 45 since the Gregory McCartan days .


What???
I said at half time Boyle would be sent off for persistent fouling - he has no idea how to tackle and runs about like a headless chicken, pushing opponents anytime he is near one. Everytime he gets possession he turns back  towrads his own goals and then lays a lazy soccer-style sideways or backwards ball to another defender. It was only when he was moved up forwards in the second half that our halfback line got to grips with the game and started giving the sort of supply that turns into scores.

Not within a million miles of being a county player. A poor man's Kevin McGuigan with cycling shorts.

I though he did well in the second half and set up some scores , no one for Down stood out in the first half . But if your going to write him off based on one game at the start of January fair play to you , I am going to give him and the rest of the new lads a fair whack .
Personal abuse of players is not confined to their private lives it seems .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 05, 2009, 11:39:13 AM
jaysus some of the stuff on here is getting ridiculous.

Some people just see this board as a vehicle to abuse and sling mud at players/managers whether called for or not. i think there is a fine line that shouldnt be crossed and some of the stuff on here is pretty much uncalled for and to be honest alot of guys wouldnt say these things face-to-face with said individuals. Internet discussion board anonymity can be quite cowardly.

can we disucss the match yesterday with some sort of semblance of sense and rationale, albeit its very hard to take anything or judge anyone based on these kind of matches. Re John Boyle i thought he was quite good of what we could see. Barry Mc Goldrick was pulling all the strings for St Mary's and had scored 4 points in opening 35mins and wasnt until Boyle picked him up did he somewhat nulify his threat. Also cant see much else he had done wrong, he was measured and composed when in possession, dont remember too many passes he gave away or fluffed, he made himself available at every opportunity, stuck to task of marking his man and also got forward to score 2 pts, one of which was a 50 (which we havent had anyone to consistently convert for a few seasons now) so id say he did reasonable enough for someone who is a poor man's Kevin Mc Guigan.

Hugh Davey was game and looked very eager, again tackled and battled quite well whilst he did make a few errors i think he can only improve, is strong, athletic and can play ball.
Kevin Mc Kernan was decent enough considering he was playing out of position, Danny Hughes did rightly to finish with 5pts? but then again Danny loves this competition.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 05, 2009, 12:36:09 PM
Quote from: downredblack on January 05, 2009, 11:07:17 AM


I though he did well in the second half and set up some scores , no one for Down stood out in the first half . But if your going to write him off based on one game at the start of January fair play to you , I am going to give him and the rest of the new lads a fair whack .
Personal abuse of players is not confined to their private lives it seems .


We'll agree to differ on how Boyle played but my assessment of him in the game is probably coloured by watching him at club and colleges levels over the last couple of seasons and his match performance did not surprise or impress me.

There was no personal abuse antwhere in my post> I do not resort to that type of thing that seems to have crept in from the soccer world where it is rife. Legitimate criticsm of playing performances is surley what the board is about and is all I am interested in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 05, 2009, 02:53:16 PM
yesterdays first half was poor and if st marys took their shooting boots along we would have been miles behind.. both their midfielders and Mc Goldrick had great first halves but they seemed to blow up after the break... Davey looked lost at the start but he came into it and he will improve greatly... Louis Sloan looks good but he needs to get leaner.. Boyle improved in the second half, he is not a defender.. McKernan should be tried again in full-back, he played there a few times for the abbey when they won the hogan, he is a good reader of the game... Big Cathal is great in the air, we should have tried in more in the first half and  Mickey Magee looks good enough, strong and awkward and can shoot!!! Next Sunday will be a great test !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on January 05, 2009, 03:04:54 PM
leo i dont see how you can say john boyle was poor and hugh davey was.john marked (10) in the first half and kept him scoreless,hugh marked (6) got the run around and 4points scored off him.in the second half they switched john boyle was at the centre of everything that was good about down and once more kept his man scoreless while poppin up with two himself.have to say hugh equiped himself alot better in the second half gettin that bit tighter and only letting his man score 1 point. on your point about john going across the pitch,yes he done it alot but he picked his passes and never gave the ball away unlike others,he must have set up 8 or 9 scores yesterday on his first game for down in two years i think thats pretty good considering regulars like kearney and sexton done little to influence the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 05, 2009, 03:25:47 PM
Quote from: guevara on January 05, 2009, 03:04:54 PM
leo i dont see how you can say john boyle was poor and hugh davey was.john marked (10) in the first half and kept him scoreless,hugh marked (6) got the run around and 4points scored off him.in the second half they switched john boyle was at the centre of everything that was good about down and once more kept his man scoreless while poppin up with two himself.have to say hugh equiped himself alot better in the second half gettin that bit tighter and only letting his man score 1 point. on your point about john going across the pitch,yes he done it alot but he picked his passes and never gave the ball away unlike others,he must have set up 8 or 9 scores yesterday on his first game for down in two years i think thats pretty good considering regulars like kearney and sexton done little to influence the game?

Will disagree with you on Boyle and will be proved right as the season goes on.
Have to agree with you on Kearney & Sexton. I think Sexton should be given as long a rest as the great amount of time he has been given in the team over the years and Kearney looks to have all the attributes at times but never delivers.

Ross seems to be trying to mould a few big men into the team and that is to be welcomed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 05, 2009, 03:53:06 PM
I thought Ronan sexton was good yeasterday, he was always in the thick of it ! He had a few stray passes but i think everyone had, especailly in the first half!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 05, 2009, 04:04:53 PM
i thought rafferty and hughes were prob downs best players yesterday.  big cathal did well when the high ball came in to him,  could be useful in there.  next sunday will be a sterner test for the lads, although tyrone will only be home from there break i think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 05, 2009, 05:25:39 PM
2009 Managers


Division 1

Mayobridge -
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Castlewellan - Liam Hardy
Loughinisland - Gary Mason/Gerard Colgan
Burren - Damien Barton
Warrenpoint -
Rostrevor - John Rafferty
Longstone - Frank Dawson
Liatroim - Jarlath Austin
Clonduff -
Saval - Declan Morgan


Division 2

An Riocht - Stephen Poacher
Glasdrumman - Hugh Trainor
Carryduff - PJ O'Hare
Annaclone - Steven McVeigh
Banbridge -
Shamrocks -
Ballymartin - Johnny McComiskey
Atticall -
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Kilclief -
Ballyholland - Terry McGivern/Glen Elmore


Division 3

St Johns - Gerard McAnulty/Seamus Braniff/Donard King
Ardglass -
Bredagh - Kevin Blaney/Jody Gormley
Drumaness - Bill Geoghan
Tullylish - Tom Morgan
Aghaderg -
St Pauls - Frankie Wilson
Glenn -
Saul -
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
Dundrum - Paul Shields
Drumgath - Mickey Linden


Division 4

Aughlisnafin - Philip McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Bosco - Paddy McEvoy
Dromara -
Mitchels -
St Michaels -
Ballykinlar -
Bright -




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 05, 2009, 05:35:08 PM
Liatroim-Jarleth Austin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 05, 2009, 05:44:21 PM
Ballyholland - Terry McGivern/Glen Elmore
Ballymartin - Johnny McComiskey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 05, 2009, 05:45:43 PM
Mayobridge-Shane Mulholland ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on January 05, 2009, 06:10:33 PM
To add to your list:

Longstone-Frank Dawson
Bredagh-Kevin Blaney
St Pauls-Frankie Wilson

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on January 05, 2009, 06:23:32 PM
Lads the bias on this board is embarassing at times!
Tommy fair enough Cathal caught 3 great balls against the smallest full bach Ive seen at this level in long time. But he is so slow its unreal. time & time again the ball was played in on floor he was out in front but beat to every ball. could you Imagine him up against the likes of Justin McMahon or Bellew??? He wouldnt count.
And your other clubmate Garvey had a complete stinker!

Danny Hughes was ok kicked some good points but didnt contribute to the game the way he should be. In my opinion he should be running games like these.
McKernan is a waste at full back too good of a footballer to have in there.

Leo you seem intent in pointing out John Boyles faults (which were very few yesterday) yet boys like Davey, Ireland Garvey (particularly theses two) & Kearney all had a lot worse games.
Open your eyes & stop letting the usual untouchables off while guys just on the panel who do well are crucified.

Also dont think D Rafferty was bad or good  he was ok got roasted a few times by McGourty (who's cracking wee player on form) but had two tremendous blocks.

Would you happen to be a Shamrocks man Leo???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 05, 2009, 06:44:55 PM
Quote from: guevara on January 05, 2009, 06:23:32 PM
Lads the bias on this board is embarassing at times!
Tommy fair enough Cathal caught 3 great balls against the smallest full bach Ive seen at this level in long time. But he is so slow its unreal. time & time again the ball was played in on floor he was out in front but beat to every ball. could you Imagine him up against the likes of Justin McMahon or Bellew??? He wouldnt count.
And your other clubmate Garvey had a complete stinker!

Danny Hughes was ok kicked some good points but didnt contribute to the game the way he should be. In my opinion he should be running games like these.
McKernan is a waste at full back too good of a footballer to have in there.

Leo you seem intent in pointing out John Boyles faults (which were very few yesterday) yet boys like Davey, Ireland Garvey (particularly theses two) & Kearney all had a lot worse games.
Open your eyes & stop letting the usual untouchables off while guys just on the panel who do well are crucified.

Also dont think D Rafferty was bad or good  he was ok got roasted a few times by McGourty (who's cracking wee player on form) but had two tremendous blocks.

Would you happen to be a Shamrocks man Leo???

Cathal had shit supply in the first half and i admit he is nt the finished article but there is so much talent there and he deserves another chance.. Garvey was quiet but i cant really remember his man roasting him.. it was his debut for gods sake!!! Full back is a key position for us and this has troubled us for years so Mckernan has to be tried there!!!!
I said John Boyle had a great second half, he looked unsure in defence!!!
I am just giving my opinion on how i seen the game!!! You cant start ridiculing players, it their first game and i bet Ross is taking the positives from yesterday!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 05, 2009, 06:52:02 PM
To the GAEL!

Are you related to Mick Walsh, I'm a bridge man and dont think for a minute that he should be on the Down Panel! Just not good enough any more!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on January 05, 2009, 06:55:56 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on January 05, 2009, 06:44:55 PM
Quote from: guevara on January 05, 2009, 06:23:32 PM
Lads the bias on this board is embarassing at times!
Tommy fair enough Cathal caught 3 great balls against the smallest full bach Ive seen at this level in long time. But he is so slow its unreal. time & time again the ball was played in on floor he was out in front but beat to every ball. could you Imagine him up against the likes of Justin McMahon or Bellew??? He wouldnt count.
And your other clubmate Garvey had a complete stinker!

Danny Hughes was ok kicked some good points but didnt contribute to the game the way he should be. In my opinion he should be running games like these.
McKernan is a waste at full back too good of a footballer to have in there.

Leo you seem intent in pointing out John Boyles faults (which were very few yesterday) yet boys like Davey, Ireland Garvey (particularly theses two) & Kearney all had a lot worse games.
Open your eyes & stop letting the usual untouchables off while guys just on the panel who do well are crucified.

Also dont think D Rafferty was bad or good  he was ok got roasted a few times by McGourty (who's cracking wee player on form) but had two tremendous blocks.

Would you happen to be a Shamrocks man Leo???

Cathal had shit supply in the first half and i admit he is nt the finished article but there is so much talent there and he deserves another chance.. Garvey was quiet but i cant really remember his man roasting him.. it was his debut for gods sake!!! Full back is a key position for us and this has troubled us for years so Mckernan has to be tried there!!!!
I said John Boyle had a great second half, he looked unsure in defence!!!
I am just giving my opinion on how i seen the game!!! You cant start ridiculing players, it their first game and i bet Ross is taking the positives from yesterday!!!

2-2 and you have to argue for him to get a second chance.  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on January 05, 2009, 07:06:56 PM
QuoteCathal had shit supply in the first half and i admit he is nt the finished article but there is so much talent there and he deserves another chance.. Garvey was quiet but i cant really remember his man roasting him.. it was his debut for gods sake!!! Full back is a key position for us and this has troubled us for years so Mckernan has to be tried there!!!!
I said John Boyle had a great second half, he looked unsure in defence!!!
I am just giving my opinion on how i seen the game!!! You cant start ridiculing players, it their first game and i bet Ross is taking the positives from yesterday!!!

Im not arguing with you at all Tommy about Boyle that was for Leo Im just putting forward my opinion that Garvey in particular werent on their game!
Ive seen Garvey at Fullback & Midfield & was impressed so why is the lad throw in at half forward? why not try him at full back?
Im wasnt trying to just have go at your clubmates just pointing out there were al lot of guys who were a lot lot poorer that John Boyle!
So we can go  both go watch Emmerdale now lol!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on January 05, 2009, 07:19:16 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 05, 2009, 05:25:39 PM
2009 Managers


Division 1

Mayobridge -
Kilcoo -
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Castlewellan - Liam Hardy
Loughinisland - Gary Mason/Gerard Colgan
Burren -
Warrenpoint -
Rostrevor - John Rafferty
Longstone -
Liatroim - Jarlath Austin
Clonduff -
Saval - Declan Morgan


Division 2

An Riocht - Stephen Poacher
Glasdrumman - Hugh Trainor
Carryduff - PJ O'Hare
Annaclone -
Banbridge -
Shamrocks -
Ballymartin - Johnny McComiskey
Atticall -
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Kilclief -
Ballyholland - Terry McGivern/Glen Elmore


Division 3

St Johns - Gerard McAnulty/Seamus Braniff/Donard King
Ardglass -
Bredagh - Paul Blaney
Drumaness - Bill Geoghan
Tullylish - Tom Morgan
Aghaderg -
St Pauls -
Glenn -
Saul -
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
Dundrum - Paul Shields
Drumgath - Mickey Linden


Division 4

Aughlisnafin - Philip McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Bosco -
Dromara -
Mitchels -
St Michaels -
Ballykinlar -
Bright -


To add to the above : Jim Mc Crory - Kilcoo
                               
                               



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on January 05, 2009, 07:48:42 PM

Annaclone - Steven McVeigh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 05, 2009, 08:02:02 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 05, 2009, 05:25:39 PM
2009 Managers


Division 3


Bredagh - Paul Blaney


DF, hes the chairman, don't see him having the time to take the seniors as well.. ;)

Its Kevin, and he is part of a management team that still includes Jody Gormley, despite rumours of him moving on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on January 05, 2009, 08:17:45 PM
Saul - Hugh Kerrs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on January 05, 2009, 09:04:27 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on January 05, 2009, 06:52:02 PM
To the GAEL!

Are you related to Mick Walsh, I'm a bridge man and dont think for a minute that he should be on the Down Panel! Just not good enough any more!


47   GAA Discussion / Local GAA Discussion / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football  on: April 10, 2008, 09:56:01 PM 
Quote from: Andym2008 on April 09, 2008, 02:01:20 PM
I dont no how people can say that Mayobridge are the best team in down, there team revolves around one man, Benny Coulter. Now dont get me wrong Benny is a world class full-foward but as a very proud An Riócht man i could name 4 or 5 players that would walk on that Mayobridge team (Brendan Mcveigh, Deaglan O'Rielly, Christopher Killen, Paddy Cole and Jhon Clarke).It really angers me when i hear people say that "Mayobridge are the best team in down and always will be.". I really think that you should watch out for An Riócht from this season onwards you will all be looking at us in a different light!Andrew Magorrian
Andym2008, are you being serious?? The only player that would walk on the bridge team is John Clarke. Declan OReilly? Yea good one, are you related by any chance. Are you forgetting ya's were in the second division just two years ago. As big tom says from 99 we have been dominant and will continue to be. 5 lads on u 21 squad, 3 on county minors, looking good for our future. Benny is only 25 coming 26, a good ten years in him yet. Mickey Walsh should be on county team, Sexton is, Cathal Magee in and around also, Pluggy turned offer down so bridge aint bad.  I think the bridge are actually getting stronger, the squad of minors coming through is unreal at the moment also. So watch this space. I predict a first round exit for yourselves!!             

bridgelad - you've changed your tune!! there's only three people in the county who think that....dj ross and now you


burren - Barton

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on January 05, 2009, 09:13:00 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on January 05, 2009, 06:44:55 PM
Quote from: guevara on January 05, 2009, 06:23:32 PM
Lads the bias on this board is embarassing at times!
Tommy fair enough Cathal caught 3 great balls against the smallest full bach Ive seen at this level in long time. But he is so slow its unreal. time & time again the ball was played in on floor he was out in front but beat to every ball. could you Imagine him up against the likes of Justin McMahon or Bellew??? He wouldnt count.
And your other clubmate Garvey had a complete stinker!

Danny Hughes was ok kicked some good points but didnt contribute to the game the way he should be. In my opinion he should be running games like these.
McKernan is a waste at full back too good of a footballer to have in there.

Leo you seem intent in pointing out John Boyles faults (which were very few yesterday) yet boys like Davey, Ireland Garvey (particularly theses two) & Kearney all had a lot worse games.
Open your eyes & stop letting the usual untouchables off while guys just on the panel who do well are crucified.

Also dont think D Rafferty was bad or good  he was ok got roasted a few times by McGourty (who's cracking wee player on form) but had two tremendous blocks.

Would you happen to be a Shamrocks man Leo???

Cathal had shit supply in the first half and i admit he is nt the finished article but there is so much talent there and he deserves another chance.. Garvey was quiet but i cant really remember his man roasting him.. it was his debut for gods sake!!! Full back is a key position for us and this has troubled us for years so Mckernan has to be tried there!!!!
I said John Boyle had a great second half, he looked unsure in defence!!!
I am just giving my opinion on how i seen the game!!! You cant start ridiculing players, it their first game and i bet Ross is taking the positives from yesterday!!!

Full back is a key position but if we get Turley back for latter end of NFL he showed enough in the qualifiers last year that he can compete with the best in there.
Have seen young Magee a few times for Ardglass and he definitely has a big future if he can keep his feet on the ground. Good pair of hands, good feet, pacey and strong as a bull.
Still have my doubts about Jackie in midfield, but with all the injured lads to come back, including the two Ballymartin boys, then the season ahead could be one to look forward to
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 05, 2009, 09:28:51 PM
I find some of the comments re Ronan Murtagh completely out of order lads, and yes I know I have a vested interest being a clubmate and friend of his.

The Irish News article was a poor piece of lazy journalism ie they never bothered to ring the lad to ask if he had been dumped from the panel. In actual fact, the agreement with Ross is that Ronan takes a break until the league starts; his work commitments plus non stop football over 10 years have taken their toll towards the tail end of last year, and a rest is what is needed. I commend Ross for allowing this to happen....

Ronan would walk onto ANY club team in Down and for that reason alone deserves to be in the county squad. His performances for Ballyholland over 10 years have been the main reason we have had a couple of shots at Div1 football, plus won 2 or 3 intermediate championships...he is the most feared forward in Div2 any year we are there, and more than holds his own in Div1 company with a team that always struggles with the step up.

I can personally vouch for his commitment to the Down cause over the years, and would argue against anyone about his spice boy reputation, which was probably misfounded on the basis of a fair few appearances in and around Newry in his younger years. I would have seen at first hand the number of times the lad has stayed off the beer, put in extra weight training or sessions on his own running, cycling or with a ball in the field. I have seen at first hand the amount of time he gives up for under age teams in the club, and also the amount of fund raising / sponsorship he has put into the club.

With all of this said and done, I cant stand some of the cowardly personal attacks meted out on here. I would love it if 1 or 2 of you had the balls to ring him or meet him face to face!

Setting the above aside, if we are to talk purely on performances and whether he should be included, (which is what this board IS about), I agree his county delivery still hasnt been consistent enough and not to the standard he sets in clubfootball. I have no doubt the recent chopping and changing of his position in the team doesnt help him at all. I would put blame for this on the management team - he is a full forward; he could play there for down no doubt, so give him a chance to play there on a consistent basis and you would see him deliver. I would argue that point all day long.

But 100% if you are arguing should he be in the panel pushing for a starting position, then IMHO he merits inclusion every single match, every year. There are no other great hopes around. If anyone thinks so, then name them. I also know that if Ronan felt he wasnt gonna have a chance to start in every NFL/Champ match, then he wouldnt be in the panel; he would walk away and concentrate on his club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on January 05, 2009, 10:33:44 PM
I agree with you Goldenyears .

Ok the fella enjoys a night out with his mates  who the f**k doesnt! Ive seen Benny out in far worse states than Ive ever seen Murtagh. Yes Benny delivers at County but if nights out effect Ronny then they must effect Benny too.

He is a fine footballer who on his day will destroy any defender I sometimes think he just doesnt have the confidence at county he shows at club.
I agree his best position is full forward  & he should definitely be tried there. He has pace , is strong & good on the ball but my feeling is that Ross wants Benny there if so fine by why not a front two of Murtagh & Coulter like he did in Portlaoise with Coulter & Clarke?

My opinion is too many boys have heard a story from a friend of a friend about Murtagh & that therefor they have come to the conclusion he's an arsehole!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 05, 2009, 10:45:44 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on January 05, 2009, 09:28:51 PM
I find some of the comments re Ronan Murtagh completely out of order lads, and yes I know I have a vested interest being a clubmate and friend of his.

The Irish News article was a poor piece of lazy journalism ie they never bothered to ring the lad to ask if he had been dumped from the panel. In actual fact, the agreement with Ross is that Ronan takes a break until the league starts; his work commitments plus non stop football over 10 years have taken their toll towards the tail end of last year, and a rest is what is needed. I commend Ross for allowing this to happen....

Ronan would walk onto ANY club team in Down and for that reason alone deserves to be in the county squad. His performances for Ballyholland over 10 years have been the main reason we have had a couple of shots at Div1 football, plus won 2 or 3 intermediate championships...he is the most feared forward in Div2 any year we are there, and more than holds his own in Div1 company with a team that always struggles with the step up.

I can personally vouch for his commitment to the Down cause over the years, and would argue against anyone about his spice boy reputation, which was probably misfounded on the basis of a fair few appearances in and around Newry in his younger years. I would have seen at first hand the number of times the lad has stayed off the beer, put in extra weight training or sessions on his own running, cycling or with a ball in the field. I have seen at first hand the amount of time he gives up for under age teams in the club, and also the amount of fund raising / sponsorship he has put into the club.

With all of this said and done, I cant stand some of the cowardly personal attacks meted out on here. I would love it if 1 or 2 of you had the balls to ring him or meet him face to face!

Setting the above aside, if we are to talk purely on performances and whether he should be included, (which is what this board IS about), I agree his county delivery still hasnt been consistent enough and not to the standard he sets in clubfootball. I have no doubt the recent chopping and changing of his position in the team doesnt help him at all. I would put blame for this on the management team - he is a full forward; he could play there for down no doubt, so give him a chance to play there on a consistent basis and you would see him deliver. I would argue that point all day long.

But 100% if you are arguing should he be in the panel pushing for a starting position, then IMHO he merits inclusion every single match, every year. There are no other great hopes around. If anyone thinks so, then name them. I also know that if Ronan felt he wasnt gonna have a chance to start in every NFL/Champ match, then he wouldnt be in the panel; he would walk away and concentrate on his club.

great post!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 05, 2009, 11:59:28 PM
Good post Goldenyears, these attacks are completely unjustified, and it would be beyond reason to omit Murtagh from panel, if fit and available. He certainly has the ability, and when everything else falls into place, he could emerge as a real star.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 06, 2009, 07:45:06 AM
Quote from: guevara on January 05, 2009, 06:23:32 PM
Lads the bias on this board is embarassing at times!
Tommy fair enough Cathal caught 3 great balls against the smallest full bach Ive seen at this level in long time. But he is so slow its unreal. time & time again the ball was played in on floor he was out in front but beat to every ball. could you Imagine him up against the likes of Justin McMahon or Bellew??? He wouldnt count.
And your other clubmate Garvey had a complete stinker!

Danny Hughes was ok kicked some good points but didnt contribute to the game the way he should be. In my opinion he should be running games like these.
McKernan is a waste at full back too good of a footballer to have in there.

Leo you seem intent in pointing out John Boyles faults (which were very few yesterday) yet boys like Davey, Ireland Garvey (particularly theses two) & Kearney all had a lot worse games.
Open your eyes & stop letting the usual untouchables off while guys just on the panel who do well are crucified.

Also dont think D Rafferty was bad or good  he was ok got roasted a few times by McGourty (who's cracking wee player on form) but had two tremendous blocks.

Would you happen to be a Shamrocks man Leo???

A Shamrocks man? Anything but  - and am happy to approach these assessments from a totally non-club position.
"Usual untoucables" - who are they. In my posts I have questions about Kearney and Sexton.
Davey was better than I expected not having seen him play anywhere but hearing complaints from others about his inclusion. Garvey has definite promise, maybe Ireland too, but not convincing on Sunday's display.
Cant agree with the post from elsewhere which seems to discount the importance of the full back role - this has been our achilles heel for years and as I've said before we need to mould someone into this role. Not sure about McKernana and think a big lad like Sloan should be tried there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 06, 2009, 10:26:13 AM
did hugh davey play corner back? i didnt make the game and am really surprised if I have picked this up right. The only time I hve seen him play was at number 11 and he struck me as the silky playmaker as opposed to a tigerish corner back which is what we badly need.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on January 06, 2009, 10:40:36 AM
I think Sloan should be tried in middle of the field.He would have cleaned Ireland or Lynch who did start there,hes a great fielder of the ball and drives forward well.I dont think hes a centre half back or full back though.Try Garvey at full back and see how he goes.I hear John Clarke is off the panel also which seems a strange decision considering he started every game last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 06, 2009, 11:50:57 AM
Clarke is a very versatile player and would definitely be in my panel.
Also, having seen davey in action I would agree he looks more like a half forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joxer on January 06, 2009, 12:33:18 PM
Quote from: Downgael2008 on January 05, 2009, 07:19:16 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 05, 2009, 05:25:39 PM
2009 Managers


Division 1

Mayobridge -
Kilcoo -
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Castlewellan - Liam Hardy
Loughinisland - Gary Mason/Gerard Colgan
Burren -
Warrenpoint -
Rostrevor - John Rafferty
Longstone -
Liatroim - Jarlath Austin
Clonduff -
Saval - Declan Morgan


Division 2

An Riocht - Stephen Poacher
Glasdrumman - Hugh Trainor
Carryduff - PJ O'Hare
Annaclone -
Banbridge -
Shamrocks -
Ballymartin - Johnny McComiskey
Atticall -
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Kilclief -
Ballyholland - Terry McGivern/Glen Elmore


Division 3

St Johns - Gerard McAnulty/Seamus Braniff/Donard King
Ardglass -
Bredagh - Paul Blaney
Drumaness - Bill Geoghan
Tullylish - Tom Morgan
Aghaderg -
St Pauls -
Glenn -
Saul -
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
Dundrum - Paul Shields
Drumgath - Mickey Linden


Division 4

Aughlisnafin - Philip McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Bosco -
Dromara -
Mitchels -
St Michaels -
Ballykinlar -
Bright -


To add to the above : Jim Mc Crory - Kilcoo
                               
                               




Paddy McAvoy has taken over at Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 06, 2009, 12:44:57 PM

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Paddy McAvoy has taken over at Bosco
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Who is he when he's at home?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on January 06, 2009, 12:51:01 PM
Is Paddy McEvoy a Corrinshego man?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on January 06, 2009, 04:54:03 PM
Quote from: Leo on January 06, 2009, 11:50:57 AM
Clarke is a very versatile player and would definitely be in my panel.
Agree with Leo,Clarke can play a number of positions and adds depth to the squad which is what we need at this moment given the long term injuries we have.

???Cant understand why micky walsh aint getting a chance, plyd well last year for da bridge deserves another chance with the county
Dont rate jackie lynch at all, trys his best but aint mobile enough for county football.Also id give ciaran Brannigan of bford a run out, ino he small but looking at the mckenna cup squad, think he'd do better than some otr boys if the was given the chance.

New Down website looks good wasnt able to make game on sunday and the first place i found the result was on the down website, hats off to the people who are loking after it now, although more up to date photos wouldnt go a miss.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 06, 2009, 06:03:45 PM
lads, i wouldnt read too much into some of the more known players being left off the panel at this stage as I know for a fact that Ross has agreed to give some lads personal programmes to follow, but really they have been given time off to re charge the batteries - if they feel they can give 100% come NFL time, then they will be drafted back in; if the appetite has gone then they wont be brought back in

the big omission for me has to me micky walsh but it seems that current mgt dont fancy him.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on January 06, 2009, 06:22:30 PM
How Mickey Walsh is not on is unreal.They, the management  obviously have a grudge against him and they haven't the man management skills to deal with him which is a real pity.
Down need him.The guy is real quality not unlike Shane Mulholland and Greg Blaney  great vision and more.








                                                         the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 06, 2009, 06:47:39 PM
The Gael is among our most entertaining contributors and mentioning Shane Mulholland and Greg Blaney in the same breath is one of his best yet. Mulholland was a talented young forward who failed to deliver on his early potential at county level, and his Down career was effectively over within three years. Blaney was among our best players of all time, and maintained his high standards across 18 seasons at senior level,winning All Ireland and Alll Stars along the way. Michael Walsh is still well capable of playing county football, but his last few displays were ordinary and it is reasonable to look at other options for the time being.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 06, 2009, 09:05:58 PM
 Is Mickey Walsh working around home as a teacher or is he still in England?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on January 06, 2009, 09:11:19 PM
Quote from: guevara on January 05, 2009, 10:33:44 PM

Ok the fella enjoys a night out with his mates  who the f**k doesnt! Ive seen Benny out in far worse states than Ive ever seen Murtagh. Yes Benny delivers at County but if nights out effect Ronny then they must effect Benny too.


he must have cut them out , looks far leaner, can any bridge men shed light on the new look?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 06, 2009, 09:27:05 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 06, 2009, 09:05:58 PM
Is Mickey Walsh working around home as a teacher or is he still in England?

Michael has just recently opened his own physiotherapy practice in warrenpoint. has been home for well over a year now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 06, 2009, 09:50:12 PM
The treatment of Michael Walsh and more recently John Clarke is a disgrace. These men are as good as we have in Down. I also think Mayobridge people dont appreciate Walshs contribution to their clubs successes. I have seen him in the past two years in championship finals and in ulster and he along with benny and Gavin Barry where the reason for them winning the last two finals against the stone and loughinisland. We need our best players representing Down. He is our best option at number 11 and Benny plays better when he is at the recieving end of his accurate pin point passes. swallow your pride Ross.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 06, 2009, 10:02:19 PM
 Rules are Rules! Mickey doesn't like rules other than his own.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on January 06, 2009, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on January 06, 2009, 09:11:19 PM
Quote from: guevara on January 05, 2009, 10:33:44 PM

Ok the fella enjoys a night out with his mates  who the f**k doesnt! Ive seen Benny out in far worse states than Ive ever seen Murtagh. Yes Benny delivers at County but if nights out effect Ronny then they must effect Benny too.


he must have cut them out , looks far leaner, can any bridge men shed light on the new look?

Yeah i was thinking that myself on sunday, he looked to be in great shape!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 06, 2009, 10:32:30 PM
Is that Benny on the front page of the Down website?

He definately looks in good shape (not so sure about the hat though  :))
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on January 06, 2009, 10:42:08 PM
john clarke has been a scapegoat in the county over the last 12 months, his performances in the league where excellent - playing some of the best football of his career - he was in great shape.
john will tell you himself that the management gave him a hard time last season, particularly over his committment to his club. it seems this season again things havent improved.

wobbler - im shocked at your comments about michael walsh - ive watched the lad over the last number of years like most down fans. one of the most committed there is.
This year he done great work with mayobrdiges minors - they put our club out duing the championship and the young fellas traniing under him had a great respect for him.
his efforts for mayobridge seniors have been as good as there is in down - coulter relies on the high quality ball that is delivered to him by walsh.

mid down gael - you hit the nail on the head - PRIDE!!   it seems ross's pride is more important than down football!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael on January 06, 2009, 10:45:08 PM
  Condolescenes to Ardglass GAC and the family of Marty Ross who passed away today.May he rest in Peace!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 06, 2009, 10:58:04 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael on January 06, 2009, 10:45:08 PM
 Condolescenes to Ardglass GAC and the family of Marty Ross who passed away today.May he rest in Peace!

Jez, thats a shock.  Had he not been well?

A decent lad and a great character.  RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on January 07, 2009, 12:11:30 AM
Absolute gentleman. Knew him well. Great lad and a great footballer in his time.
May he rest in peace.
Codolences to his family and to everyone in Ardglass.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on January 07, 2009, 09:25:55 AM
Gents,
i know it was a few pages back about the annual convention and how they are going to change the league structures, but i had thought it was for 2010,although in last weeks matt's chat (Down Recorder) he mentioned the ccc are looking at the fixtures for this year and that alot off teams will not be happy with placings surely this cannot be the case!!!!!!
has he just had a senior moment?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on January 07, 2009, 09:35:40 AM
What is all the craic about John Clarke? Has he left the panel or had a falling out with the management? Can someone shed light or what the rumor is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on January 07, 2009, 10:45:02 AM
Think Clarkes services wer 'no longer required'.Joke!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joxer on January 07, 2009, 10:47:22 AM
Who has Ross found that is supposedly better than John Clarke?

Think he is a quality player who would possibly get on any squad in the country
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 07, 2009, 11:00:45 AM
Condolences to Marty's family, a gentleman, fantastic footballer and manager.  Shocking news.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 07, 2009, 11:27:31 AM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on January 05, 2009, 09:04:27 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on January 05, 2009, 06:52:02 PM
To the GAEL!

Are you related to Mick Walsh, I'm a bridge man and dont think for a minute that he should be on the Down Panel! Just not good enough any more!


47   GAA Discussion / Local GAA Discussion / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football  on: April 10, 2008, 09:56:01 PM 
Quote from: Andym2008 on April 09, 2008, 02:01:20 PM
I dont no how people can say that Mayobridge are the best team in down, there team revolves around one man, Benny Coulter. Now dont get me wrong Benny is a world class full-foward but as a very proud An Riócht man i could name 4 or 5 players that would walk on that Mayobridge team (Brendan Mcveigh, Deaglan O'Rielly, Christopher Killen, Paddy Cole and Jhon Clarke).It really angers me when i hear people say that "Mayobridge are the best team in down and always will be.". I really think that you should watch out for An Riócht from this season onwards you will all be looking at us in a different light!Andrew Magorrian
Andym2008, are you being serious?? The only player that would walk on the bridge team is John Clarke. Declan OReilly? Yea good one, are you related by any chance. Are you forgetting ya's were in the second division just two years ago. As big tom says from 99 we have been dominant and will continue to be. 5 lads on u 21 squad, 3 on county minors, looking good for our future. Benny is only 25 coming 26, a good ten years in him yet. Mickey Walsh should be on county team, Sexton is, Cathal Magee in and around also, Pluggy turned offer down so bridge aint bad.  I think the bridge are actually getting stronger, the squad of minors coming through is unreal at the moment also. So watch this space. I predict a first round exit for yourselves!!             

bridgelad - you've changed your tune!! there's only three people in the county who think that....dj ross and now you


burren - Barton



Think your wrong there Gaa head, i've seen Michael Play in every game last year and he was no where near the player he was, I've no doubt he is still a great asset to our club but just dont think he'd be up to playing for our county! Also have seen Ross and Mickey Doyle at quite a few of our matches last year obviously checking him out.                                                       How many games have you seen him play?
And i'm not the only bridge person to think the same, so Ross, Dj and I are not alone!
  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 07, 2009, 11:28:47 AM
Quote from: off the laces on January 07, 2009, 09:25:55 AM
Gents,
i know it was a few pages back about the annual convention and how they are going to change the league structures, but i had thought it was for 2010,although in last weeks matt's chat (Down Recorder) he mentioned the ccc are looking at the fixtures for this year and that alot off teams will not be happy with placings surely this cannot be the case!!!!!!
has he just had a senior moment?

Wouldn't be like him  :P.

Marty Ross indeed a gentleman. Sad news
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 07, 2009, 12:25:18 PM
Some of the comments about Ronan Murtagh on the last few pages are very harsh to say the least and unfair to a lad who had busted a gut for Down since he was a minor. I hope he gets a chance later in the year to proof some of the doubters wrong.

I'd disagree with BridgeLad on Michael Walsh's involvement.  He has been blighted with injuries and if he got a clean run at it he would be an addition to the Down team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 07, 2009, 12:31:24 PM
Bad news about Marty Ross. If my mind serves me right he managed Ardglass to 3 JFC titles.

By the way Bitta Banter, what do you make of the appointment of Eamon Burns to the Darragh Cross job?
Title: u21 trials
Post by: goldenyears on January 07, 2009, 01:01:14 PM
The following players are requested to attend a Down U21 football trial tonight in Burren at 7.30 pm.

Glassdrumman: A McCartan, C Harrison; Shamrocks: S Trainor, C Connell, M Digney,

C Coffey, C Heaney; Mayobridge: D Fegan, G Walsh, S Grant, R Brady; Burren: C McGovern, C Murdock, S Murdock, R McGovern, E Toner, G McCartan; Ballyholland: A Haughey, J Murphy, T Havern, N Mulvaney; Bosco: C Murtagh, C Duggan; Rostrevor: A Donnan, C McConville, B O'Hare, R Reynolds, C Magee, C Murney; Clonduff: C O'Hagan, B Branagan; Attical: A Sloan; Longstone: C Poland, C Doran, G Trainor; Warrenpoint: R Boyle, R Mallon, R Cowan, G McMahon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 07, 2009, 01:09:56 PM
ROSS Carr has warned of trouble ahead with the GAA's new disciplinary playing rules, despite the Mournemen encountering few problems in their Dr McKenna Cup opener last weekend.

Down pair Stephen Kearney and John Boyle were sent off in the latter stages of their 15-point win over St Mary's for yellow card offences.

And while Carr paid tribute to the performance of referee Martin McErlane, the Clonduff clubman remains unconvinced about the experimental playing rules being a success in both football and hurling for this year's McKenna Cup and National League campaigns.

"What determines a black card and what determines a yellow?" asked Carr.

"I know you have it in black and white, but how do you interpret that when fellas are going at 15 or 20 miles an hour in game situations?

"The pull of a jersey is interpreted by some as a black card or a pull of the jersey or a trip is a yellow card by others. I'd be dead against them."

After Sunday's comfortable win, Carr extended the debate on the perceived over-use of the hand pass in football which, he believes, creates more infringements and therefore raises the potential for more yellow card offences.

"There was a fabulous newspaper article recently where it looked at the 1988 All-Ireland final as it was regarded as a dirty game," explained Carr.

"It was viewed by two present-day referees, Pat McEneaney and Cormac Reilly, and in today's new rules, they would have issued just two more yellow cards."

He added: "In the entire game in the 1988 final, there were 73 hand-passes; in the 2008 All-Ireland final there were 205.

"Hand passing is leading to black cards and yellow cards because of the close proximity and, unless we introduce some rule that you can't make three consecutive hand passes or that you have to kick it after two, I see difficulties.

"I don't know, but hand passing is leading to the majority of scrums and infringements in games."

Sunday's first round of McKenna Cup games yielded a modest 13 yellow cards. The new rules are designed to stop highly-disruptive fouling in games and to purge serial foulers.

While managers are allowed to make six substitutions, forced or unforced, they may be more economical in their personnel changes given the real prospect of being down players in games.

"We got a couple of scores by kicking the ball long [against St Mary's] and we gave the ball away in the last 10 minutes by constant hand passing," said Carr.

"It's not rocket science."

The GAA's Head of Games Pat Daly, who attended Saturday night's tie between Cavan and Queen's, speculated that the high scorelines were perhaps related to the introduction of the new rules.

However, there was a greater scoring average during last year's opening McKenna Cup fixtures. A combined total of 156 [goals and points] was recorded in six opening games last January, while 115 [goals and points total] was scored in five games last Sunday with the new rules in place.

Title: irish news report
Post by: goldenyears on January 07, 2009, 01:16:33 PM
A STUBBORN winter's sun shone over the low hills of the east and cast long, languid shadows on the frost-bitten turf of Pairc Esler yesterday afternoon.

It is January again, and time for a bit of football. The ice-cool blue skies managed to seduce around 3,000 hearty souls out of their warm living rooms to see who the early runners and riders are for Down in 2009.

It was, however, Sigerson Cup hopefuls St Mary's who made the early running – fashioning a one-point interval lead  before the Mournemen got going in the second period to win their Dr McKenna Cup opener by a convincing 15 points.

There was a bundle of positives for St Mary's boss Paddy Tally at half-time, but by the end of the game, all but one or two of them had disappeared just like the afternoon sun.

It was Down bosses Ross Carr and DJ Kane who displayed an after-match glow, especially in light of the star-studded list of absentees that was as long as some of the pitch's shadows. There was no Dan Gordon, Liam Doyle, Paul McComiskey or Ambrose Rogers.

However, in their place, other lesser lights shone brightly during yesterday's decidedly easy first examination of the year for Down.

Bustling full-forward Cathal Magee helped himself to 2-2, while Hugh Davey, Kevin McKernan, John Boyle, Louis Sloan and Joe Ireland left decent impressions on Carr and Kane.

Experienced attacker Danny Hughes was in sparkling form for the Mournemen, notching five points from open play, while John Fegan got his side's other goal.

A new slim-line Benny Coulter stretched his legs in the final 11 minutes for the home side, but by the time of his introduction, the points were already sealed.

Derry player Barry McGoldrick excelled for St Mary's in an unfamiliar roving centre half-back role, while CJ McGourty was the students best option for scores.

And the new disciplinary playing rules didn't cause too much hassle or confusion. Derry referee Martin McErlane acted prudently throughout, showing only two yellow cards late in the game. John Boyle and Stephen Kearney were sidelined for yellow card offences in a game that lacked any real competitive edge.

In the early stages, St Mary's looked sharper and hungrier and, by the 29th minute, the

Belfast-based students led by 0-8 to 0-4, thanks largely to McGoldrick and McGourty's accuracy.

Indeed, Tally's charges should have been further ahead, but for some wayward efforts on goal from Paul Keenan, John Kelly and John Magill.

St Mary's paid the ultimate price for their wastefulness, with Ronan Sexton and Hughes capitalising on some poor defending to reduce the deficit, while Boyle's fine 45 in first half injury-time left Down trailing by just one point at the break (0-8 to 0-7).

Within three minutes of the restart, the home side had established a three-point cushion. Cathal Magee's well-struck penalty after the Mayobridge attacker was hauled down by full-back Sean O'Neill and Hughes's third point of the day saw Down take control.

St Mary's were in the midst of a spectacular collapse, managing just two points  both from CJ McGourty – in a desperately one-sided second half.

St Mary's deep-lying playmaker, Barry McGoldrick, was afforded less space by Boyle in the second period as the Down players

attacked in droves.

In the 47th minute, Cathal Magee smashed home his second three-pointer of the day after catching Davey's angled high ball on the edge of the square.

Seven minutes later, Fegan netted Down's third goal from close range after more loose defending from the St Mary's rearguard.

It was all too easy for Down in the second half as the St Mary's players couldn't wait to hear the final whistle.

MATCH STATS

Down: M McAllister; D Rafferty, K McKernan, H Davey; C Garvey, L Sloan, J Boyle (0-2 45s); J Ireland, J Lynch; J Fegan (1-3, 0-3 frees), R Sexton (0-1), S Kearney; M Magee (0-2, 1 free), C Magee (2-2, 1-0 pen), D Hughes (0-5) Subs: B Coulter for M Magee (59),

P Murphy for J Ireland (60), M Cole (0-1) for D Hughes (60), A A Carr for J Boyle (yellow card, 56), M Magee for S Kearney (yellow card, 69)

St Mary's: B Mullan; M Digney, S O'Neill, R Dolan; B Og Maguire, B McGoldrick

(0-5, 0-3 frees), J Magill; G O'Neill, P Keenan; M McKenna (0-1), J Kelly, S Donaghy; M Murray, M Pollock (0-1 45), CJ McGourty (0-3)

Subs: L McQuade for S Donaghy (h-t),

P Carville for P Keenan (46), N McSherry for M McKenna (58), P McAleer for

M Pollock (63)

Referee: M McErlane (Derry)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 07, 2009, 01:23:57 PM
its promising to see ross feels this way about hand passing, surely when we can rack up big scores the ball should be passed into the forwards first time, this constatnt handpassing slows the game down and allows teams to stream defenders back!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on January 07, 2009, 01:48:08 PM
A Mallon- any truth in rumour the bridge have obtained the services of Brian Mc Ivor?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on January 07, 2009, 02:10:56 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 07, 2009, 11:00:45 AM
Condolences to Marty's family, a gentleman, fantastic footballer and manager.  Shocking news.

Agree - totally shocking news ... I have many memories of playing against Marty and he took his drive and passion for his club into his management successes. Deepest sympathies to his family and to the Ardglass club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on January 07, 2009, 03:36:41 PM
DOWN: Senior football manager Ross Carr has launched a scathing attack on the GAA's new experimental playing rules, claiming they are designed to halt the success of Ulster teams.

Former All-Ireland medallist Carr is adamant Gaelic Football is not a cynical game and insisted the game's decision-makers should be more concerned with punishing players who fake injuries and who try to get opponents booked or sent off.

Carr believes that next Sunday's McKenna Cup opponents Tyrone and Ulster champions Armagh are being punished for their recent success and that GAA top brass have "taken umbrage" by introducing the new rules.

He noted: "Everybody's standing off and it's more like sevens' football. Players are afraid to make tackles in case they get caught for yellow cards.

"I didn't think that football was cynical to begin with and the powers-that-be have taken umbrage against Armagh and Tyrone's style of play and Ulster's success and tried to stop it.

"Look at the amount of games played over the course of the year - how many serious violations are there? I don't think that football is any worse than any other sport.

"In all of the new rules, why has there been no outcry against feigners, fakers and divers? That's far worse, in my view, and a player should not play for six months if he attempts to get another player sent off."

Carr believes that overuse of the handpass leads to scrum-type situations on the field and he stated: "It's the handpass that needs to be looked at. The amount of handpassing is creating the problems and the one thing we can't do is take the physical confrontation out of Gaelic football.

"I just feel the success of Armagh and Tyrone has been interpreted by the media in a certain way which has led to begrudgery and I feel they have gone overboard in blaming those teams for the alleged cynicism now being levelled at Gaelic football."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 07, 2009, 05:25:27 PM
Quote from: islandboy on January 07, 2009, 01:48:08 PM
A Mallon- any truth in rumour the bridge have obtained the services of Brian Mc Ivor?

Yes McIvor will manage and Shane Mulholland as trainer
Title: Re: u21 trials
Post by: Square Ball on January 07, 2009, 05:29:23 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on January 07, 2009, 01:01:14 PM
The following players are requested to attend a Down U21 football trial tonight in Burren at 7.30 pm.

Glassdrumman: A McCartan, C Harrison; Shamrocks: S Trainor, C Connell, M Digney,

C Coffey, C Heaney; Mayobridge: D Fegan, G Walsh, S Grant, R Brady; Burren: C McGovern, C Murdock, S Murdock, R McGovern, E Toner, G McCartan; Ballyholland: A Haughey, J Murphy, T Havern, N Mulvaney; Bosco: C Murtagh, C Duggan; Rostrevor: A Donnan, C McConville, B O'Hare, R Reynolds, C Magee, C Murney; Clonduff: C O'Hagan, B Branagan; Attical: A Sloan; Longstone: C Poland, C Doran, G Trainor; Warrenpoint: R Boyle, R Mallon, R Cowan, G McMahon


Goldenyears

is this a new one? the one on Tuesday was frozen off and a East/South Down session is planned for Saturday in Dundrum
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 07, 2009, 05:43:04 PM
This is the latest one Square Ball....

The Following Players are requested to attend a   Final Down Under 21 Football Trial on Saturday 10th January in Dundrum at10.30 am.

Glassdrumman
Arthur McCartan                       
Connaire Harrison 

Shamrocks
Seamy Trainor                           
Ciaran Connell                                 
Mark Digney                               
Ciaran Coffey                               
Colm Heaney

Mayobridge
Darren Fegan                           
Gavin Walsh                                   
Seamus Grant                             
Ryan Brady 

Burren
Conaill McGovern                   
Cathal Murdock                         
Sean Murdock                         
Ryan McGovern                         
Eamon Toner                                 
Gerard McCartan 

Ballyholland                         
Anton Haughey
Joe Murphy                                     
Tony Havern                                     
Niall Mulvaney 

Bosco
Ciaran Murtagh
Christopher Duggan                                                                 
                                                 
Rostrevor
Anthony Donnan                           
Christopher McConville                 
Brendan O Hare                                 
Richie Reynolds                                 
Conor Magee
Colm Murney
Eddie o Hare 

Clonduff
Conor Og O Hagan                           
Bernard Branagan
                           
Attical
Andrew Sloan




Longstone
Conor Poland                                     
Ciaran Doran
Gary Trainor   

Warrenpoint
Ryan Boyle                                       
Ryan Mallon                                     
Ruairi  Cowan                                   
Gary McMahon
Kieran McGivern   

Loughinisland
Kieran Gordan
Ben O Reilly

Castlewellan
Colm Flanagan
Liam McKibben

Annaclone
Niall Higgins

Tir Conaill Gaels
Aaron Somers

Saval
Ruairi Digney

Carryduff
Chris McConville

Kilcoo
Barry Kane
Sean Devlin
Paul Devlin

Dromara
Colm Kelly

Saul
Calum Laverty

Downpatrick
Damian Turley
Sean Bell
Joe Starkey

Ballymartin
Gavin Joyce

Bryansford
Timmy Hanna
Luke Byrne
Brian King



Bredagh
Eoin Costello
Niall Devlin
John Mulvenna

Liatroim
PD Savage

Clann Na Banna
Liam Devlin
Michael Magee
Shane Nelson

Tullylish
Ryan McAnerney                                                                   
                                       


                                           


                               
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 07, 2009, 05:57:10 PM
tohare, you're a wind up merchant! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on January 07, 2009, 11:38:38 PM
goldenyears and tohare a windup i'm sure Shane would be more manager orientated but the bridge could have took him  and  anyway i bet that within 5 years Shane Mulholland will be part of a management team or himself  managing Down senior footballers ( if he wants it). here is where you heard it first.





                                                      the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on January 08, 2009, 10:23:21 AM
Clann Na Banna
Liam Devlin
Michael Magee
Shane Nelson


Was this the Magee that lined out against St Marys?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 08, 2009, 10:38:53 AM
Quote from: corn02 on January 08, 2009, 10:23:21 AM
Clann Na Banna
Liam Devlin
Michael Magee
Shane Nelson


Was this the Magee that lined out against St Marys?

What happened your man Wilson? He seemed to have worked wonders for Clann Na Banna
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on January 08, 2009, 11:05:50 AM
Quote from: corn02 on January 08, 2009, 10:23:21 AM
Clann Na Banna
Liam Devlin
Michael Magee
Shane Nelson


Was this the Magee that lined out against St Marys?

If its M Magee from Clann na Banna then thats a typo, it should be Malachy Magee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on January 08, 2009, 11:35:38 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 07, 2009, 12:31:24 PM
Bad news about Marty Ross. If my mind serves me right he managed Ardglass to 3 JFC titles.

By the way Bitta Banter, what do you make of the appointment of Eamon Burns to the Darragh Cross job?

Im happy about it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The GAA on January 08, 2009, 11:38:30 AM

Are you still playing goldenyears?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on January 08, 2009, 11:40:38 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on January 08, 2009, 11:05:50 AM
Quote from: corn02 on January 08, 2009, 10:23:21 AM
Clann Na Banna
Liam Devlin
Michael Magee
Shane Nelson


Was this the Magee that lined out against St Marys?

If its M Magee from Clann na Banna then thats a typo, it should be Malachy Magee.

Ah yes of course.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on January 08, 2009, 11:46:12 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 08, 2009, 10:38:53 AM
Quote from: corn02 on January 08, 2009, 10:23:21 AM
Clann Na Banna
Liam Devlin
Michael Magee
Shane Nelson


Was this the Magee that lined out against St Marys?

What happened your man Wilson? He seemed to have worked wonders for Clann Na Banna
i heard only yesterday that tony Wilson was still taking them but his brother had moved on to lisummon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on January 08, 2009, 01:45:17 PM
The Gael is issuing an appeal for more private messages on the internal goings on within our county.These as other posters know are treated with the utmost discretion and tact.So the gael awaits more juicy gossip for his enlightenned mind.Feel free to get it off your chest and tell the gael all what is happenning it will be treated with the strictest tact.The Gael's Clinic is open!!









                                                  the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on January 08, 2009, 02:21:14 PM
ANYBODY KNOW WHEN THE CLUB FIXTURES ARE MADE UP FOR 2009??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 08, 2009, 02:33:31 PM
I'd imagine Seán Rooney has them done and they will need to be ratified a County Board Meeting probably February. Looks like a mid to end April start to the leagues this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 08, 2009, 02:58:50 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 07, 2009, 05:43:04 PM
This is the latest one Square Ball....

The Following Players are requested to attend a   Final Down Under 21 Football Trial on Saturday 10th January in Dundrum at10.30 am.

Glassdrumman
Arthur McCartan                       
Connaire Harrison 

Shamrocks
Seamy Trainor                           
Ciaran Connell                                 
Mark Digney                               
Ciaran Coffey                               
Colm Heaney

Mayobridge
Darren Fegan                           
Gavin Walsh                                   
Seamus Grant                             
Ryan Brady 

Burren
Conaill McGovern                   
Cathal Murdock                         
Sean Murdock                         
Ryan McGovern                         
Eamon Toner                                 
Gerard McCartan 

Ballyholland                         
Anton Haughey
Joe Murphy                                     
Tony Havern                                     
Niall Mulvaney 

Bosco
Ciaran Murtagh
Christopher Duggan                                                                 
                                                 
Rostrevor
Anthony Donnan                           
Christopher McConville                 
Brendan O Hare                                 
Richie Reynolds                                 
Conor Magee
Colm Murney
Eddie o Hare 

Clonduff
Conor Og O Hagan                           
Bernard Branagan
                           
Attical
Andrew Sloan




Longstone
Conor Poland                                     
Ciaran Doran
Gary Trainor   

Warrenpoint
Ryan Boyle                                       
Ryan Mallon                                     
Ruairi  Cowan                                   
Gary McMahon
Kieran McGivern   

Loughinisland
Kieran Gordan
Ben O Reilly

Castlewellan
Colm Flanagan
Liam McKibben

Annaclone
Niall Higgins

Tir Conaill Gaels
Aaron Somers

Saval
Ruairi Digney

Carryduff
Chris McConville

Kilcoo
Barry Kane
Sean Devlin
Paul Devlin

Dromara
Colm Kelly

Saul
Calum Laverty

Downpatrick
Damian Turley
Sean Bell
Joe Starkey

Ballymartin
Gavin Joyce

Bryansford
Timmy Hanna
Luke Byrne
Brian King



Bredagh
Eoin Costello
Niall Devlin
John Mulvenna

Liatroim
PD Savage

Clann Na Banna
Liam Devlin
Michael Magee
Shane Nelson

Tullylish
Ryan McAnerney                                                                   
                                       


                                           


                               


Anybody know anything about this player? Whats the Tir Chonnail Gaels craic about as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on January 08, 2009, 03:25:25 PM
Found this on the internet

http://www.tirchonaillgaels.com/profiles.php

Name: Aaron Somers
Age: 17
Height: 6' 1
Weight: 12.5st
Home Club: Tir Chonaill Gaels
County: London
Honours: U16 C'ship '06, U16 British C'ship 06, U16 Lge Winner '05, '06, U18 C'ship '05, '06, U21 C'ship 06, U18 Inter Continental C'ship '07, U16, U17 & U18 Provincial C'ship

seems to have won a few things
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on January 08, 2009, 03:59:33 PM
His father is Maurice Somers ex Drumaness and Tir Chonaill Gaels player, won alot of London and British Championships in latter part of the 90's. Dont know if they have relocated though. maurice was a handy player and would have played Under 21 & Minor in late 80's (I would estimate)
Title: Aaron
Post by: passedit on January 08, 2009, 04:01:13 PM
Son of Maurice who'd a bin a drumaness man originally. sposed to be fairly handy but, like his da, short on pace and temper. About the London senior panel last year but not a regular with the gaels.

edit re spirits post afaik still based in London.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on January 08, 2009, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: THE DADGA on January 08, 2009, 02:21:14 PM
ANYBODY KNOW WHEN THE CLUB FIXTURES ARE MADE UP FOR 2009??
If last year was anything to go by they will probably be made up as they go along ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 08, 2009, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: thegael on January 08, 2009, 01:45:17 PM
The Gael is issuing an appeal for more private messages on the internal goings on within our county.These as other posters know are treated with the utmost discretion and tact.So the gael awaits more juicy gossip for his enlightenned mind.Feel free to get it off your chest and tell the gael all what is happenning it will be treated with the strictest tact.The Gael's Clinic is open!!





The Gael is a nosey B*****D  ;D





                                                  the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 08, 2009, 08:43:21 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on January 08, 2009, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: THE DADGA on January 08, 2009, 02:21:14 PM
ANYBODY KNOW WHEN THE CLUB FIXTURES ARE MADE UP FOR 2009??
If last year was anything to go by they will probably be made up as they go along ;)

be out by the end of the month i believe
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 09, 2009, 12:02:44 AM
I am shocked and disappointed to read that The Gael bases his comments on gossip and innuendo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on January 09, 2009, 12:05:25 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 09, 2009, 12:02:44 AM
I am shocked and disappointed to read that The Gael bases his comments on gossip and innuendo
judging by the quality of a pm he sent me any information in this man's armoury is ill informed. "lets be careful out there"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joxer on January 09, 2009, 08:57:50 AM
Who is over the Down Miinors this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on January 09, 2009, 09:18:51 AM
Quote from: Joxer on January 09, 2009, 08:57:50 AM
Who is over the Down Miinors this year?
Turley, Kennedy, Morgan and Mc Garry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on January 09, 2009, 09:38:21 AM
The gael bases none of his comments on gossip , the gael may hear gossip etc like everyone else but the gael always deals in fact.The amount of gossip  the gael has received in pms(private messages) is astounding but the gael always checks these out and doesn't comment on anything that is not fact.But the gael is always interested in what is circulating out there and no innocent people are ever commented upon , the gael always deals in fact.



                                                  the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on January 09, 2009, 11:48:06 AM
Quote from: Joxer on January 06, 2009, 12:33:18 PM
Quote from: Downgael2008 on January 05, 2009, 07:19:16 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 05, 2009, 05:25:39 PM
2009 Managers


Division 1

Mayobridge -
Kilcoo -
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Castlewellan - Liam Hardy
Loughinisland - Gary Mason/Gerard Colgan
Burren -
Warrenpoint -
Rostrevor - John Rafferty
Longstone -
Liatroim - Jarlath Austin
Clonduff -
Saval - Declan Morgan


Division 2

An Riocht - Stephen Poacher
Glasdrumman - Hugh Trainor
Carryduff - PJ O'Hare
Annaclone -
Banbridge -Tony Wilson
Shamrocks -
Ballymartin - Johnny McComiskey
Atticall -
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Kilclief -
Ballyholland - Terry McGivern/Glen Elmore


Division 3

St Johns - Gerard McAnulty/Seamus Braniff/Donard King
Ardglass -
Bredagh - Paul Blaney
Drumaness - Bill Geoghan
Tullylish - Tom Morgan
Aghaderg -
St Pauls -
Glenn -
Saul -Jim Prior
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
Dundrum - Paul Shields
Drumgath - Mickey Linden


Division 4

Aughlisnafin - Philip McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Bosco -
Dromara -
Mitchels -
St Michaels -
Ballykinlar -
Bright -


To add to the above : Jim Mc Crory - Kilcoo
                               
                               




Paddy McAvoy has taken over at Bosco
Jim Prior-Saul
Tony Wilson-Clann na Banna
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 09, 2009, 11:54:53 AM
Mayobridge - Mattie Mc Gleenan & Pascal Canavan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 09, 2009, 12:05:26 PM
any scores from last nights u20 games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on January 09, 2009, 01:38:42 PM
Town beat Kilcoo handy enough. Shocking bad losers!! Sta Mary's bt L'island
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 09, 2009, 01:41:24 PM
thats a brave shock the town beating kilcoo i would have thought!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 09, 2009, 01:49:40 PM
wonder where that leaves the top two for the A semis on Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on January 09, 2009, 01:56:24 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 09, 2009, 01:49:40 PM
wonder where that leaves the top two for the A semis on Sunday?
in total confusiion as there was three way tie in Town's group
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 09, 2009, 02:58:25 PM
3 way tie,

liatroim
kilcoo
town  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 09, 2009, 06:49:50 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on January 09, 2009, 02:58:25 PM
3 way tie,

liatroim
kilcoo
town  ???

Well Its Bredagh v Loughinisland in the B, leaving Bryansford to play third in the other B semi I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 10, 2009, 12:32:47 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 09, 2009, 01:38:42 PM
Town beat Kilcoo handy enough. Shocking bad losers!! Sta Mary's bt L'island

Kilcoo took their beating well. they just had a terible defensive performance on the night and conceeded 4 slack goals. at least all their players where legal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 10, 2009, 12:41:21 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 10, 2009, 12:32:47 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 09, 2009, 01:38:42 PM
Town beat Kilcoo handy enough. Shocking bad losers!! Sta Mary's bt L'island

Kilcoo took their beating well. they just had a terible defensive performance on the night and conceeded 4 slack goals. at least all their players where legal.

Its def not like Kilcoo to conceed 4 goals in one game. whats the craic with the legal remark MDG?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 10, 2009, 12:54:34 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 10, 2009, 12:41:21 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 10, 2009, 12:32:47 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 09, 2009, 01:38:42 PM
Town beat Kilcoo handy enough. Shocking bad losers!! Sta Mary's bt L'island

Kilcoo took their beating well. they just had a terible defensive performance on the night and conceeded 4 slack goals. at least all their players where legal.

Its def not like Kilcoo to conceed 4 goals in one game. whats the craic with the legal remark MDG?

Castlewellan played an under 16 player which is illegal. Other clubs asked for permission to use under 16s of 2008 and where refused by East Down Board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on January 10, 2009, 12:56:49 PM

technically u20 is not a recognised "grade" and stopping a lad of any age wouldn't stand up.

u16, u18, u21, senior.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 10, 2009, 01:06:16 PM
Quote from: Uladh on January 10, 2009, 12:56:49 PM

technically u20 is not a recognised "grade" and stopping a lad of any age wouldn't stand up.

u16, u18, u21, senior.

Well East Down clubs where told under no circumstance would under 16s of 2008 be eligible. after all your not allowed to play two grades above your age group. for example an under 14 cant play minors. look at the case with the 14 year old Ballinderry player not being allowed to play in ulster minor championship. Rules are rules.Castlewellan like breaking them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on January 10, 2009, 01:20:44 PM

i know what the rule is. i'm saying that technically it doesn't apply because u20 is not a recognised grade in the GAA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 10, 2009, 01:35:15 PM
The RTE Radio 1 programme  Drivetime Sport with Des Cahill last night had a panel to predict the winners of the main soccer, rugby and GAA trophies for 2009. When it came to the Sam Maguire, one of the pundits, the RTE presenter Con Murphy, said he was going for a 66/1 outsider. Jimmy Magee said it must be the Isle of Man, but Con insisted he was making a serious prediction.

To stunned silence from his colleagues, he named Down as his tip for this year's title. He pointed out that they had beaten Tyrone last summer, although he admitted that the wheels came off against Wexford, but he believed he could see them coming through as dark horses.

Do southern pundits know anything about the GAA ? We will have to start hoping that Con does.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 10, 2009, 01:44:59 PM
I agree with MDG, the clubs were told that u16s cant play, minors and eligible u20s only. I know that other clubs would have liked to have played a few of their talented u16s but abided by the rules.

Uladh, i take it that if a club took a case against the u16 it wouldnt stand up due to that technicality?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on January 10, 2009, 01:48:45 PM
absolutely SB. Though obviously noone would bother
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 10, 2009, 01:54:24 PM
2009 Managers (Updated)


Division 1

Mayobridge - Mattie McGleenan + Pascal Cananvan (Bridge poster to confirm?)
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Castlewellan - Liam Hardy
Loughinisland - Gary Mason/Gerard Colgan
Burren - Damien Barton
Warrenpoint -
Rostrevor - John Rafferty
Longstone - Frank Dawson
Liatroim - Jarlath Austin
Clonduff -
Saval - Declan Morgan


Division 2

An Riocht - Stephen Poacher
Glasdrumman - Hugh Trainor
Carryduff - PJ O'Hare
Annaclone - Steven McVeigh
Banbridge - Tony Wilson
Shamrocks -
Ballymartin - Johnny McComiskey
Atticall -
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Kilclief -
Ballyholland - Terry McGivern/Glen Elmore


Division 3

St Johns - Gerard McAnulty/Seamus Braniff/Donard King
Ardglass -
Bredagh - Kevin Blaney/Jody Gormley
Drumaness - Bill Geoghegan
Tullylish - Tom Morgan
Aghaderg -
St Pauls - Frankie Wilson
Glenn -
Saul - Jim Prior
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
Dundrum - Paul Shields
Drumgath - Mickey Linden


Division 4

Aughlisnafin - Philip McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Bosco - Paddy McEvoy
Dromara -
Mitchels -
St Michaels -
Ballykinlar -
Bright -
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on January 10, 2009, 03:31:31 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 10, 2009, 01:35:15 PM
The RTE Radio 1 programme  Drivetime Sport with Des Cahill last night had a panel to predict the winners of the main soccer, rugby and GAA trophies for 2009. When it came to the Sam Maguire, one of the pundits, the RTE presenter Con Murphy, said he was going for a 66/1 outsider. Jimmy Magee said it must be the Isle of Man, but Con insisted he was making a serious prediction.

To stunned silence from his colleagues, he named Down as his tip for this year's title. He pointed out that they had beaten Tyrone last summer, although he admitted that the wheels came off against Wexford, but he believed he could see them coming through as dark horses.

Do southern pundits know anything about the GAA ? We will have to start hoping that Con does.



I think he musta had a few pints before going on to the show, sam is beyond our current team in my honest opinion, but was reading in the gaelic life yesterday, that Down are an absolutley massive price for ulster, ill be having a wee punt on them for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on January 10, 2009, 04:35:36 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on January 09, 2009, 02:58:25 PM
3 way tie,

liatroim
kilcoo
town  ???

So what happens? Will there be a playoff between Liatroim, Kilcoo & Castlewellan, meaning at least 2 more games? Long wait for An Riocht who had South Down sewn up long before Xmas.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 10, 2009, 05:46:37 PM
I thought Mattie Mc Gleenan was still with the Moy - definately read it on the Tyrone section.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 10, 2009, 06:13:15 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on January 10, 2009, 04:35:36 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on January 09, 2009, 02:58:25 PM
3 way tie,

liatroim
kilcoo
town  ???

So what happens? Will there be a playoff between Liatroim, Kilcoo & Castlewellan, meaning at least 2 more games? Long wait for An Riocht who had South Down sewn up long before Xmas.

more matches for go, heres the fixtures


East Down Under 20 Competition
Date  Thursday  8th  January  Time  8.00pm    Venue St. Patrick.s Park Newcastle   Referee
St. Mary's   2.14   v   1.07   Loughinisland   

Date  Thursday  8th  January  Time  8.00pm   Venue  RGU Downpatrick   Referee
Kilcoo   0.12   v   4.05   Castlewellan   


Please Note
St. Mary's, Kilcoo and Castlewellan have finished up with 6 points each, and as there were no point's difference used to determine the top two, a play off is necessary. The winners on Sunday 11th and Thursday 15th will compete in the A Championship semi-finals scheduled for Sunday 18th January. Point's difference will be used to determine the seeding for the A Championship Semi-Finals against Carryduff and Dun Ghláis. The team, which does not win on Thursday 15th January, will compete in the B Championship.

The following is the schedule of games. 

East Down Under 20 Competition Play Off "A" Championship
Date  Sunday  11th  January  Time  11.30am    Venue   Teconnaught   Referee
St. Mary's      v      Kilcoo   G  Tumelty

East Down Under 20 Competition Semi-Finals B Championship
Date Sunday 11th  January Time  11.30pm       Venue  Liatroim        Referee
Bredagh      v      Loughinisland   A Grant


East Down Under 20 Competition Play Off "A" Championship
Date  Thursday 15th  January  Time  8.00pm    Venue   Downpatrick   Referee
St. Mary's or Kilcoo      v      Castlewellan   


East Down Under 20 Competition Semi- Finals "A" Championship
Date  Sunday  18th  January  Time  2.00pm    Venue   Teconnaught   Referee
St. Mary's or Kilcoo or Castlewellan      v      Dun Ghláis   

Date  Sunday  18th  January  Time  2.00pm    Venue   Saul         Referee
St. Mary's or Kilcoo or Castlewellan      v      Carryduff   


East Down Under 20 Competition Semi-Finals B Championship
Date Sunday 18th  January Time  2.00pm      Venue   Downpatrick         Referee
St. Mary's or Kilcoo or Castlewellan      v      Bryansford   

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on January 10, 2009, 08:06:50 PM
Warrenpoint manager for 2009

I am nearly sure it is Emmett McGivern and Pete Doran.
And they wiil delighted with 12 points from Burren, Mayobridge and Rostrevor.

Still have not heard who manager of Mayobridge yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 10, 2009, 10:04:09 PM
Any word of a team for tomorrow? I suppose its only McKenna Cup and they dont have to name one but it would be interesting to see who Ross puts out?


I'd say there'll be a big crowd in the Marshes tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Overthebar! on January 11, 2009, 02:15:20 AM
anyword on how the u21 trials went today? i wonder is there the potential for ulster to be won again?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on January 11, 2009, 02:40:00 PM
Quote from: Overthebar! on January 11, 2009, 02:15:20 AM
anyword on how the u21 trials went today? i wonder is there the potential for ulster to be won again?
As far as I know overthebar, trials were held yday, apparently standard wasnt great although the conditions were tough with a strong wind blowing. Def think we have a chance at ulster this year, this team at minor level went out in the first round in 2006 but since then a lot of the players have matured and have benefited from playing football at a higher level either with their club or university.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 11, 2009, 04:39:53 PM
Kilcoo beat St. Marys by 8 points this morning in the first play off putting them into the East Down under 20 simi final. A great team display with Barry Kane, Sean and Paul Devlin outstanding. St. Marys now face Castlewellan for remaining simi final place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 11, 2009, 05:38:15 PM
Tyrone faded badly in the second half today but it was still a very impressive Down performance. The defence looked solid, collectively and individually, which is not something we have been able to say too often over recent years. Every one of them did well, including the subs, and Carr, after he came on at HT, put in a commanding display in what was probably his first ever appearance at full back. Garvey and Rafferty were also excellent, while Davey, although he is far from the finished article, got up to kick two fine points in the first half.

The man of the match, by some distance, was Ireland at midfield. He took some great catches, used the ball well and was always there to take a pass in all areas of the field. Ireland was fantastic for St Louis in the MacRory final of 2005, but seemed to lose his confidence completely afterwards and has made little impact with Down u21s, QUB and Bryansford since then. It is early days this season, but on today's form he could be a contender this summer.

All our forwards worked hard today, and Michael Magee looks a real prospect at corner forward. He is a big strong guy who is not afraid to shoot, and his left foot gave us a decent balance.

It's only the McKenna Cup, but we are well placed for at least one extra game in the semis, which should help for the start of the league, and there is clearly something there to build on - particularly at the back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 11, 2009, 05:56:31 PM
MR my thoughts are on the main page but I forgot about Aidan Carr's second half performance.
Now, a small insight IMO as to why Tyrone are AL champs and we are better than we were under POR.
At HT the Tyrone subs worked at drills continuously - no pointless kicking in and out.
Now while Down didn't do this, when they came out Ross went to the far end and got Benny to do a few attacks on Aidan Carr , who was coming on for the excellent Mc Kernan. Aidan and Benny had 4 or 5 good battles to get up to match pace and it showed. Aidan played like an All Star and Benny was Benny . Game over. Paddy would have been still thumping the table.Ross and DJ have put together a squad of brainy footballers- add in ability and balls and we should get out of Division 3 and possibly reach an Ulster Final at least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on January 11, 2009, 05:57:27 PM
I would agree with you Rover although I must mention that John Boyle had a great game - he took Sean Cavanagh to the cleaners and linked well with the rest of the attack. Big Jackie also put in a solid hour, I dont think he will ever play much football in the summer for Down but at this time of the year in tough conditions he holds his own . One thing that struck me about Down today was thier obvious physical development. In recent years Down have lacked a wee bit of strength, but that is no longer the case. The likes of Hughes, Carr, Ireland and others have filled out . It looks like the squad have been lifting the weights for sure.

Its always great to beat Tyrone though and I dont think they will want to draw Down in any competition for a while but lets just hope the boys can do the business in the league and achieve what they failed to do last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 11, 2009, 06:30:57 PM
this is the year!! ;D

just a note on the county's website, think it going well so far and definately finding much more news on it than before!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on January 11, 2009, 06:39:23 PM
Down team v Tyrone
Brendan McVeigh
Damian Rafferty
Kevin McKernan
Martin Cole
Conor Garvey (0-1)
Louis Sloan
Hugh Davey (0-2)
Joseph Ireland (0-1)
Jackie Lynch       
John Fegan (0-4)
John Boyle (0-1)
Ronan Sexton
Michael Magee (0-3)
Cathal Magee
Daniel Hughes (0-2)
SUB: Coulter (0-2)

Tyrone team v Down
Devine
Swift
Donnelly
Magee
Harte
S Cavanagh (0-1)
Jordan
Cassidy
Hub
Mellon
Devlin (0-1)
Dorris
Mulgrew(0-1)
O'Neill (0-6)
Mcguigan

Joe McMahon on for McGuigan
Enda McGinley on for Dorris
Penrose on for Mellon
Holmes on for McGinley blood sub
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on January 11, 2009, 06:48:13 PM
Boys lets not get carried away here as we seem to do most years!!
Tyrone were poor I thought & the holiday/ training camp in Orlando probably showed. In the first half I thought it was even enough but Tyrone's shooting was awful. O'Neill gave McKernan a very tough time. Any good ball he got in he showed his undoubted class & tore us apart. It was only bad service in the game that kept him so quiet & this was totally evident in the 2nd half. He looked seriously pissed off with ball into him.

I thought Louis Sloan was very solid at CHB & Davey done well at wing half. This week our midfield won the battle & set up a base from which to launch a lot of attacks through break ball.
Boyle was good again, but Cavanagh looked a shadow of the player we seen last year not once did he try and take the man on or get up the field really.

Danny Hughes once again proved to be frustrating. Seems to always want to do the impossible. I counted 6 or 7 times we had Tyrone on the back foot & he had guys storming inside him but always refuses to lay it off causing attacks to break down & team getting caught on the attack.

Benny looked in great shape just hope he can stay injury free. Think today showed Cathal Magee isn't answer at full forward poor handling & against a taller stronger full back than last week got little change.

One final note ref was a lot better today no ticking for silly fouls, no yellow cards for nothing challenges. Maybe they were told after last weeks disaster to hold back on the cards?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 11, 2009, 07:05:16 PM
I appreciate we shouldn't get carried away alright as this time last year we were the best team in Ireland and look where it got us.

Still very encouraging to see some of the lads who are getting a chance, actually showing genuine appetite and not being just prepared to make up the numbers.

Defensively, I thought the two Shamrocks men played consistently though not sure about Mc Kernan at full back.  Midfield was a great bonus.  Jackie goes through alot of dirty work and Ireland showed real promise but he needs to keep it going.  Up front, Boyle was alot more creative than he was last week, probably better further up the field but not sure just how interested Cavanagh was at centre half back.  Hughes baffles me at times.  He can be so good when he does the simple things but over complicates things so he can do 'his wee thing' with the ball. 

Overall another encouraging performance but its still January.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 11, 2009, 09:10:57 PM
Down take positive step in defence of their Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup with win over Tyrone

Down took another positive step in the defence of their Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup title with a win over All-Ireland champions Tyrone in front of a crowd of 3,750 in Newry on Sunday.

Taken from www.gaa.ie

Down made a lively start with scores from Conor Garvey and Michael Magee, but the sides were level three times in the opening quarter, Raymond Mulgrew and Stephen ONeill on target for Tyrone.
Two superb long-range scores, kicked into the gusting breeze by wing-back Hugh Davey, helped the Mourne men pull two points clear by the 27th minute, but the Red Hands finished the first half strongly when newcomer Gareth Devlin raced through for a fine individual point, before ONeill brought his tally to three.
Down crafted a goal chance in the dying moments of the half when Danny Hughes sent Ronan Sexton through, but Cavanagh saved the day with a wonderful tackle.
The sides were deadlocked on 0-6 each at the break, and Cavanagh kicked Tyrone ahead for the first time six minutes into the second-half.
The home support were bracing themselves for an onslaught from the All-Ireland champions, but it was Down who turned on the power with a devastating final 20 minutes.
They simply blew the Red Hands away, hitting nine points without reply. John Fegan, John Boyle, Magee, Daniel Hughes and substitute Danny Hughes all hit quality scores as the Tyrone challenge crumbled.
Even the introduction of more big guns from the bench could not turn the tide for a Tyrone side that in all called on 11 players who helped beat Kerry back in September.
But it was another good day at the office for Ross Carrs men, and while the Down boss was remaining cautious in his reflections on this thumping win, he saw many positives after his side demolished the Tyrone challenge in a one-sided final 20 minutes.
"Were very happy, but I think we have got to put it in perspective too," Down boss Ross Carr admitted.
"You had a team who have won the All-Ireland and have just come back from a fortnights holidays on Friday. Were delighted with our own work, but youve got to put it in perspective too.
"We asked the boys last week and again today to use it as a training session, and thats
what theyre doing. Theyre trying to blow out the cobwebs from the break, but again I wouldnt go overboard on it either.
"Were very happy with the way we played, but we know that there are massive tasks ahead."
Down: B McVeigh, D Rafferty, M Cole, C Garvey [0-1], K McKernan, L Sloan, H Davey [0-2], J Lynch, J Ireland [0-1], R Sexton, J Boyle [0-1], D Hughes [0-2], J Fegan [0-3, 2f], C Magee, M Magee [0-4, 3f].
Subs: A Carr for McKernan [H/T], K Duffin for Rafferty [45], B Coulter [0-2] for C Magee [48]
Tyrone: J Devine, M Swift, P Donnelly, M McGee, D Harte, S Cavanagh [0-1], P Jordan, K Hughes, A Cassidy, R Mellon, C Doris, G Devlin [0-1], R Mulgrew [0-1], S ONeill [0-5, 3f], T McGuigan [0-1].
Subs: J McMahon for McGuigan [H/T] E McGinley for Doris [50], M Penrose for Mellon [52]
Referee: P Hughes [Armagh]
Wides: Down 12, Tyrone 8
Yellow cards: None
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 11, 2009, 11:15:29 PM
Shockin poor ball into the full forward line all day...
How many times did the Tyrone FB line get easy ball into their hands..
When Benny came on he was making great runs and the h Backs/h Forwrads couldnt deliver it.
Impressed with Davey..got forward well and took a couple of great scores....
Boyle looked at home at CHF but I'd like to see if he would be as good in the league never mind the championship...
Ireland did v well and big Jackie did nothing wrong...


But as I said this time last year...it's January and in the immortal words of Harvey Kietel...let's not start sucking each others dicks just yet.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 12, 2009, 09:59:34 AM
Great to beat the AI champions at any time of the year and a good confidence boost for the team , First trip into the new stand yesterday and was very impressed and the cup of soup at h/t was welcome . What does the stand hold ? 3750 attendance there wasn't too many standing the far side .
Hopefully the lads can get something against Monaghan and get another match or 2 before the league starts .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 12, 2009, 03:27:25 PM
another good performance yesterday.. its looking like a Down v Armagh semi-final!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 12, 2009, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 11, 2009, 11:15:29 PM
Shockin poor ball into the full forward line all day...
How many times did the Tyrone FB line get easy ball into their hands..
When Benny came on he was making great runs and the h Backs/h Forwrads couldnt deliver it.
Impressed with Davey..got forward well and took a couple of great scores....
Boyle looked at home at CHF but I'd like to see if he would be as good in the league never mind the championship...
Ireland did v well and big Jackie did nothing wrong...


But as I said this time last year...it's January and in the immortal words of Harvey Kietel...let's not start sucking each others dicks just yet.


Just to echo your comment about Benny, Danny Hughes had the ball in around wing half forward area and would not look up when benny was at least ten yards free of his man. If these lads wont supply our best player with the ball how can he get the scores. You could see the difference in Down when Benny came on. Michael Magee started making good runs of the ball and also to receive the ball, maybe big Cathal lacking a little experience.  Aidan Carr played very well at full back, was talking to a fella that told me he played there for championship winning Down team in New York, although a world apart, but still has some experience in that position. Overall a steady performance from most of the team!


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on January 12, 2009, 09:20:38 PM
To be fair Stephen O'Neill got very little good ball all day but in particular in the 2nd half when Tyrone's passing into him was shocking. Time & time again they either put the ball over the sideline or kicked aimless high ball in.
So it was hard to judge Carr at FB. The good ball O'Neill did get the first 20 Min's he destroyed McKernan in terms of pace & skill

On the Hughes point I think he didn't have great game last week either. He seems content as long as he on the scoreboard as opposed to taking the best option & giving the ball to man in space.
Again we seemed to try a lot of Garryowen balls into the fullforward line. Even when Benny was in there we got very little from it.
The diagonal ball into the space gave Coulter the chance to use his speed & power to create some great scores.
Also finally credit to Big Jackie not the most glamorous of players but he tore into Tyrone's midfield all day. Hes great at winning dirty ball & unlike last week got help in the midfield area from Ireland. He may not be a Dara O'Se but what he lacks in skill & style he makes up for in effort & hard hitting!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 13, 2009, 10:18:30 AM
2009 Managers (Updated)


Division 1

Mayobridge - Mattie McGleenan + Pascal Cananvan (Bridge poster to confirm?)
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Castlewellan - Liam Hardy
Loughinisland - Gary Mason/Gerard Colgan
Burren - Damien Barton
Warrenpoint -
Rostrevor - John Rafferty
Longstone - Frank Dawson
Liatroim - Jarlath Austin
Clonduff -
Saval - Declan Morgan


Division 2

An Riocht - Stephen Poacher
Glasdrumman - Hugh Trainor
Carryduff - PJ O'Hare
Annaclone - Steven McVeigh
Banbridge - Tony Wilson
Shamrocks -
Ballymartin - Johnny McComiskey
Atticall -
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Kilclief - John Kane
Ballyholland - Terry McGivern/Glen Elmore


Division 3

St Johns - Gerard McAnulty/Seamus Braniff/Donard King
Ardglass -
Bredagh - Kevin Blaney/Jody Gormley
Drumaness - Bill Geoghegan
Tullylish - Tom Morgan
Aghaderg -
St Pauls - Frankie Wilson
Glenn -
Saul - Jim Prior
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
Dundrum - Paul Shields
Drumgath - Mickey Linden


Division 4

Aughlisnafin - Philip McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Bosco - Paddy McEvoy
Dromara -
Mitchels -
St Michaels -
Ballykinlar - Sean McCashin
Bright -
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on January 13, 2009, 02:01:19 PM
Not sure wat the situation is in the Bridge but i think thats a bit of a wind up. Mattie McGleenan and Pascal Canavan are not up for the bridge job as far as i know!!
Title: irish news report
Post by: goldenyears on January 13, 2009, 02:28:38 PM
AS last season showed, Tyrone can bounce back from defeat by Down in Newry and go on to achieve great things. Neither manager read too much into an unprepared visiting side losing to in-form hosts, but the Red Hands' boss Mickey Harte knows rapid improvement is required ahead of their League opener at Croke Park at the end of the month.

"We were only back on Friday [from the team holiday in Florida] with a lot of those players. It's always difficult in the first game of the season, a few cobwebs to be sorted out,

mis-handling of the ball and stuff like that. That's what you expect.

"We'd need to get it out of our system pretty quickly because it's only 20 days until we play Dublin. That wouldn't do on the 31st of January. We have to learn from it and try and do better."

Harte gave credit to the victors, admitting: "Down were very well up for the game, they've a game behind them and they're looking pretty sharp. We did our best to deal with it and I suppose we did for 40 minutes or so, but as the game went on their superior fitness and teamwork showed in the end."

Still, the Tyrone manager acknowledged that "we're very disappointed in the second half. We don't like to let a game slip away like that.

"The people who came from Tyrone would have expected more. I know that and the players know that. They're very disappointed but they gave it their best shot, considering it's their first outing of the season you can't ask for more than that.

"It would be crazy to expect a fluent performance from people who only walked out onto the field together today."

Harte pointed to a few positives, including Aidan Cassidy at midfield, and Gareth Devlin and Stephen O'Neill in attack, and also hinted that Sean Cavanagh was only a stop-gap at centre half-back: "Maybe it's that we had more forwards available to us today than defenders. He's a man for any job, I think he could play anywhere anyway."

Down boss Ross Carr took a similarly sensible view of the match, saying: "We're very happy but you have to put it into perspective. You'd a team that won the All-Ireland and was just back from a fortnight's

holiday on Friday afternoon. We're delighted with our own work but you've got to put it in perspective.

"We wouldn't go overboard. We're very happy with the way we played but we know that there'll be massive tasks ahead."

The Clonduff clubman insisted he'd selected a barely altered side because Down have "not too many players – with injuries and this 'flu' that's going about, we literally only have 20

players and a couple of goalkeepers."

He praised the only outfield change, saying "Martin Cole came in and did well", and also his son in an unfamiliar role after Kevin McKernan was forced off by injury: "Aidan [Carr] had to go to full-back and did okay. Jack [Lynch] and Joe [Ireland] in the middle of the field upped their game, but everybody did well."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 13, 2009, 02:58:02 PM
THERE'S quite some difference between sunny Florida and a wet and windy Newry and Down made the most of Tyrone's struggle to acclimatise after their team holiday.

The Red Hands matched their hosts for around 40 minutes, even taking the lead shortly after that stage, but the Mournemen's superior preparation and fitness was emphatically evident after that.

Tyrone metaphorically ran out of steam and into a brick wall, their hopes not helped by losing Allstar midfielder Enda McGinley to a wound only five minutes after his introduction, although Down were already pulling away.

Indeed, the Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup holders reeled off a run of nine points without reply from the 46th to the 68th minutes to blow away the All-Ireland champions, who would have suffered a double scores defeat but for the final point of the match, a free converted by Stephen O'Neill. That made him the top scorer in this match and his class was clear at full-forward, despite some understandable handling errors, although he did not do as much damage after Aidan Carr replaced Kevin McKernan, who went off with a hamstring injury.

The quality of Benny Coulter in that key attacking role is also unquestioned, and it was no coincidence that Down's dominance followed from his introduction in the 50th minute. The Mayobridge man notched two points from play, to match O'Neill's contribution in that category, and was also fouled for two frees converted by colleagues.

Down's better conditioning was obviously a major factor, but there were also some impressive cameos from players trying to stake claims for starting slots.

Left half-back Hugh Davey, on his Newry Shamrocks' home turf, kicked two lovely left-footed points before the break, while John Fegan improved after the interval at right half-forward, getting involved around centrefield too.

Down boss Ross Carr selected almost the same less than half-strength side that started against St Mary's, with just two personnel changes, and only one of those outfield. Brendan McVeigh replaced Michael McAllister in goals, while Martin Cole returned to the defence, indirectly replacing Stephen Kearney, with John Boyle moving up from the back to operate at centre half-forward, to good effect.

That pitted him against a shock name in the Tyrone number six jersey as boss Mickey Harte sprang another of his surprises, not only in fielding Sean Cavanagh, but by doing so at centre half-back.

With Allstar full-back Justin McMahon on duty with St Mary's, Peter Donnelly reverted to his club role manning the defensive square and held Cathal Magee scoreless, although he could not contain Coulter.

The game sprang into life in the opening minute with the first score, from Down right wing-back Conor Garvey, and the home side had the better of the game thereafter, despite briefly going behind to a point from the roving Raymond Mulgrew.

However, Down shot seven wides to Tyrone's five in the first half and the team turned around level at half-time after a sweet score from O'Neill made it six points apiece.

The tit-for-tat nature of the contest continued early on in the second half, but then it became almost one-way traffic for the last half-hour as Carr's men drove forward.

Corner-forward Daniel Hughes became increasingly influential, in conjunction with Fegan and Coulter, and a tiring Tyrone were getting tanned in a bad way.

Donnelly at least prevented their goal being breached with a catch on the line after Coulter rose above 'keeper John Devine to fist the ball, and O'Neill had the last word from a free, but Down had long since secured a convincing victory.

MATCH STATS

Down: B McVeigh; D Rafferty, K McKernan, M Cole; C Garvey (0-1), L Sloan, H Davey (0-2); J Lynch, J Ireland (0-1); J Fegan (0-3, 0-2 frees), J Boyle (0-1), R Sexton; M Magee (0-4, 0-3 frees), C Magee, D Hughes (0-2).

Subs: A Carr for McKernan (h-t), K Duffin for Rafferty (47), B Coulter (0-2) for C Magee (50).

Tyrone: J Devine; M Swift, P Donnelly, M McGee; D Harte, S Cavanagh (0-1), P Jordan; K Hughes, A Cassidy; R Mellon, C Doris, G Devlin (0-1);

R Mulgrew (0-1), S O'Neill (0-5, 0-3 frees), T McGuigan (0-1).

Subs: Joe McMahon for McGuigan

(h-t), E McGinley for Doris (53),

M Penrose for Mellon (57).

Blood sub: C Holmes for McGinley (58-end).

Referee: P Hughes (Armagh).
Title: enda mcginley
Post by: goldenyears on January 13, 2009, 02:58:33 PM
ENDA McGinley wasn't pleased to be on the wrong end of yesterday's result at Pairc Esler, but the Allstar midfielder thinks the 70 minutes of football should serve to "awaken" the jetlagged Tyrone squad.

McGinley himself only lasted five minutes before his substitute appearance was cut short by a cut, just a few days after arriving back from a team holiday in Florida.

"It is not nice getting beaten, but we failed to maintain our momentum in the second half and Down moved up a gear.

"I suppose jetlag caught up with the boys, but it was a good game and one that should awaken us for the rest of the games ahead," he said.

He said that they would have to look at their performance and plan for the NFL games ahead, the first of which is against Dublin in Croke Park in three weeks' time.

McGinley, who starts a new position in Craigavon Area Hospital this morning, said the McKenna Cup is a good opener for the season and gives both players and managers a chance to assess where they are fitness-wise.

"We have three good games in the McKenna Cup. We play St Mary's in Omagh on Wednesday night and then have Monaghan again in Healy Park next Sunday.

"This Section B is a tough section but it will give Mickey Harte a chance to formalise his panel for the NFL.

"The young lads are doing well and the competition for places is keen. We will just have to wait and see where we can improve.

"We have not trained since the All-Ireland final, so these three games will be a big help in regaining fitness and teamwork."

Stephen O'Neill, back again at full-forward, showed much of his undoubted class yesterday.

"We played very well in the first half and deserved to be level at half-time. In fact, we were well there for 45 minutes," he said.

"We have done no training, and I suppose jetlag played a major part, especially in the final quarter.

"But it was good to be back in competitive football again. This game was a wake-up call. Our next two games should go a long way to regaining our fitness."

Down's star forward and the 'find' of the competition so far, Michael Magee, who finished the team's top scorer with four points, was pleased with the result.

The Ardglass clubman, who also starred against St Mary's last week said: "We finished strongly and the bit of indoor training we have done showed through in the final 20 minutes.

"It was a most enjoyable game. We should have had more scores in the first half, but we were much more accurate in the second half.

"Winning is a great boost and these two victories have given the side a lot of confidence."

Down 'keeper Brendan McVeigh praised the defence for their showing in both last week's game against St Mary's and also yesterday.

"The defence was magnificent," he said.

"They tackled, covered and blocked and gave me great cover. We have yet to concede a goal and that is proof enough of our defence.

"Today was my first game of the season but Michael McAllister last week also had a great game. It is great to get a good competitive game as we prepare for the NFL."
Title: paid managers?
Post by: goldenyears on January 13, 2009, 03:00:09 PM
how many clubs in down have had a paid manager, or currently have? has it worked, is it working??

No need for paid bosses to remain GAA taboo Against the Breeze
By Paddy Heaney
13/01/09

HERE'S a question to get you thinking on this fine Tuesday. Why is it wrong to pay a

manager in the GAA?

If you're like me, then your gut response will be: 'It just is.' Then, after further consideration, you will note that the GAA is an amateur organisation and that it is supposed to be organised, governed, and played by volunteers.

Ever since it came into vogue, the business of paying managers has always been considered a

subversive and shady enterprise.

The first chequebook clubs were widely ridiculed and criticised by neighbours that were quick to seize the moral high ground. But then, as one-by-one the majority joined the minority, the cat-calling became more and more muted.

Nowadays, there's a deafening silence. The attitude towards paying managers is similar to the views on infidelity. People know it's not right, but they accept it as the norm.

In this respect, yours truly is no different to the broad church of GAA supporters, and this column has frequently taken cheap pot-shots at recipients of the brown envelopes.

However, those days are over.

Because after examining the whole issue of professional managers, I can no longer understand why it really is such a problem, or indeed, why it even contravenes the GAA's rules.

My 'Road To Damascus' conversion on this issue started when I travelled to Croke Park at the end of last year for the launch of the GAA's strategic plan.

Following an intensive consultation exercise, the six-year plan was compiled by Hutton/Kelly Consultants, a professional company, who were legitimately reimbursed for their efforts.

Paraic Duffy, the GAA's highly-respected director-general, has taken ownership of the project and stated that he is willing to be judged on the results. Duffy is another salaried professional.

And, while speaking at the official launch, Duffy willingly acknowledged that the success and failure of the strategic plan hinges largely on the GAA's network of full-time administrators who will try and roll it out to the county boards.

These full-time county secretaries and provincial council employees will be responsible for motivating, encouraging and showing the

volunteer members of county boards how to meet the targets set out in the strategic plan.

Therefore the basic scenario we are faced with is this: it's okay to employ full-time administrators to raise the standards of volunteer administrators. However, it's not okay to employ full-time managers to raise the standards of volunteer footballers.

Can someone explain what is the major difference? The amateur ethos argument doesn't wash. If the GAA was strictly amateur, no one would get paid a shilling.

Furthermore, consider the reasons which are used to justify employing full-time administrators: it's too heavy a workload for a volunteer; no-one is willing do it for nothing; and the GAA benefits from the expertise of a professional.

The same arguments also apply to football and hurling managers. In some clubs and counties, it's simply impossible to find an individual who will dedicate 20 to 40 hours a week free of charge.

In other cases, clubs and counties realise that their players and teams will benefit from the input of a qualified and respected coach, who requires payment.

In many instances, it has proved to be money well spent.

Think of the example where a club has gone through its quota of managers who are members of that club. They are good, well-intentioned men, who nevertheless lack the know-how of a trained coach.

Under a proper coach, a fresh voice who costs a few quid, training sessions are properly structured. Players are stimulated by learning new techniques and derive greater enjoyment from playing in a team that has been trained properly.

If a paid manager can keep players involved in the game, if he can improve the standards of play, if he can provide an example of best practice for others at the club to follow, then why is it a considered a breach of the rules to employ someone who can produce such benefits?

Of course, for every top-class paid manager, there are half-a-dozen charlatans who are merely in it for the easy cash.

Again, the exact same argument can be levelled at the GAA's full-time administrators and coaching officers – a professional body that has its fair share of premium class phoneys and bluffers.

Apart from being wholly inconsistent with its own rules, there are other reasons why the GAA should legitimise the payment of managers.

For starters, all the attempts to police or monitor the illicit payment of managers have proved utterly futile. And because the behaviour is considered a breach of the rules, it has led to solid GAA members engaging in all manner of dodgy book-keeping and other forms of shifty dealing in order to mask these tax-free hand-outs.

This is an unnecessary imposition on men who would otherwise be fairly law-abiding individuals.

The ban on paying managers has also cast an unnecessary cloud over hundreds of fine and

upstanding members of the GAA.

Yes, we can all think of the shameless mercenaries. But there are also countless examples of quality gaels who are somehow deemed to have compromised their integrity by accepting payment for their sought-after services.

Again, this shouldn't be the case, particularly when you can think of individuals who have devoted their lives to coaching children and adults free of charge. Why shouldn't they be allowed to profit from their professional

expertise?

The GAA has accepted that is requires the employment of full-time administrators and coaches in order to meet the challenges that it faces in promoting the game and dealing with the competition from rival codes.

It's high time that the Association recognised the necessity of paid managers, who, like full-time administrators, are merely trying to raise the standards of the volunteers around them.

The bucks, however, must stop there.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 13, 2009, 03:01:05 PM
Anyone heading to the Monaghan game tomorrow night? Anyone know where its on? Directions to get there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on January 13, 2009, 03:26:20 PM
As far as i know the game is in Inniskeen, Mickey, at 7.30. New pitches just opened there i believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 13, 2009, 09:04:43 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on January 13, 2009, 03:01:05 PM
Anyone heading to the Monaghan game tomorrow night? Anyone know where its on? Directions to get there?
between Dundalk and Carrickmacross. not too far away. here is a link to google map
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Inniskeen,+County+Monaghan,+Republic+of+Ireland&sll=53.273797,-9.05178&sspn=0.092797,0.30899&g=Galway,+Ireland&ie=UTF8&cd=2&geocode=Fc8GOAMdJI2b_w&split=0&ll=54.004339,-6.582999&spn=0.091204,0.30899&z=12 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Inniskeen,+County+Monaghan,+Republic+of+Ireland&sll=53.273797,-9.05178&sspn=0.092797,0.30899&g=Galway,+Ireland&ie=UTF8&cd=2&geocode=Fc8GOAMdJI2b_w&split=0&ll=54.004339,-6.582999&spn=0.091204,0.30899&z=12)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 13, 2009, 09:46:26 PM
Glasdrumman GAC Celebrity Bainisteoir
13 January 2009


Former Down All Ireland winning manager, Pete McGrath has been confirmed as Derek Davis's mentor for the Celebrity Bainisteoir series.

His first training session will be this Saturday, 17th January, at the Quarter Road pitch.

Pete will meet with Derek at approx 11.00am in the clubrooms and will meet the team for his and Derek's first training session after lunch at 1.45pm.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on January 13, 2009, 10:25:16 PM
Inniskeen is a great club ground, you'll be impressed by the facilities. Big stand and all. Some plot of land.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on January 14, 2009, 08:05:04 AM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 13, 2009, 09:46:26 PM
Glasdrumman GAC Celebrity Bainisteoir
13 January 2009


Former Down All Ireland winning manager, Pete McGrath has been confirmed as Derek Davis's mentor for the Celebrity Bainisteoir series.

His first training session will be this Saturday, 17th January, at the Quarter Road pitch.

Pete will meet with Derek at approx 11.00am in the clubrooms and will meet the team for his and Derek's first training session after lunch at 1.45pm.


Training on a saturday the soccer boys will love that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on January 14, 2009, 09:46:39 AM
how did the under-20 game go last ntie between castlewellan and st marys? any reports from it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 14, 2009, 10:23:06 AM
st marys beat the town by 5 points, no report...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on January 14, 2009, 10:52:24 AM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 13, 2009, 09:46:26 PM
Glasdrumman GAC Celebrity Bainisteoir
13 January 2009


Former Down All Ireland winning manager, Pete McGrath has been confirmed as Derek Davis's mentor for the Celebrity Bainisteoir series.

His first training session will be this Saturday, 17th January, at the Quarter Road pitch.

Pete will meet with Derek at approx 11.00am in the clubrooms and will meet the team for his and Derek's first training session after lunch at 1.45pm.



Pete is a busy man these days. New Bryansford manager, Down U-21 manager and now mentor on Celebrity Bainisteoir.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mickey Linden on January 14, 2009, 11:17:29 AM
Anyone hear anything about what the team will be tonight? Many board members heading to it?
Im hoping for a good game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 14, 2009, 11:46:44 AM
Quote from: The Corporal on January 14, 2009, 10:52:24 AM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 13, 2009, 09:46:26 PM
Glasdrumman GAC Celebrity Bainisteoir
13 January 2009


Former Down All Ireland winning manager, Pete McGrath has been confirmed as Derek Davis's mentor for the Celebrity Bainisteoir series.

His first training session will be this Saturday, 17th January, at the Quarter Road pitch.

Pete will meet with Derek at approx 11.00am in the clubrooms and will meet the team for his and Derek's first training session after lunch at 1.45pm.



Pete is a busy man these days. New Bryansford manager, Down U-21 manager and now mentor on Celebrity Bainisteoir.

Dont forget Sportracker!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 14, 2009, 12:26:45 PM
Was at the game between Castlewellan and St.Marys last night. Best team won. the town had two players sent off with straight reds. very poor disaplaine cost them. couldnt believe the way town supporters reacted to the officials with so much ignorance and insults especially when the two players lined deserved to be. head butting is a straight red and the linesman done his job in bringing the incidents to the referees attention. Great display of hard and disaplained football from St. Marys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 14, 2009, 03:03:41 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 14, 2009, 12:26:45 PM
Was at the game between Castlewellan and St.Marys last night. Best team won. the town had two players sent off with straight reds. very poor disaplaine cost them. couldnt believe the way town supporters reacted to the officials with so much ignorance and insults especially when the two players lined deserved to be. head butting is a straight red and the linesman done his job in bringing the incidents to the referees attention. Great display of hard and disaplained football from St. Marys.

You don't seen to have much love for Castlewellan. Just wondering, is their many Dromara boys on that Liatroim team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 14, 2009, 03:24:04 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 14, 2009, 03:03:41 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 14, 2009, 12:26:45 PM
Was at the game between Castlewellan and St.Marys last night. Best team won. the town had two players sent off with straight reds. very poor disaplaine cost them. couldnt believe the way town supporters reacted to the officials with so much ignorance and insults especially when the two players lined deserved to be. head butting is a straight red and the linesman done his job in bringing the incidents to the referees attention. Great display of hard and disaplained football from St. Marys.

You don't seen to have much love for Castlewellan. Just wondering, is their many Dromara boys on that Liatroim team?

Its not about havin love for anyone I am just stating the truth. I like to see fair play and clean hard football not dirt. castlewellan supporters where a disgrace last night. Well the ones close to where i was standing. I was a nuetral spectator and I was shocked at the abuse given to the StMarys management and linesman in particular. There where 4 Dromara players that started and one had the flu who would have started.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 14, 2009, 05:50:50 PM
Anyone know if the Monaghan game is stil on with the weather?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 14, 2009, 05:54:12 PM
Last update at 4.11 on Down website says its is still on.

It may change, so keep an eye on it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 14, 2009, 05:59:21 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 14, 2009, 05:54:12 PM
Last update at 4.11 on Down website says its is still on.

It may change, so keep an eye on it.

Does anyone know if its on any radio station tonight? pondering here weather to go. its only half an hour fron newry according to google maps.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 14, 2009, 06:55:09 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 14, 2009, 05:59:21 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 14, 2009, 05:54:12 PM
Last update at 4.11 on Down website says its is still on.

It may change, so keep an eye on it.

Does anyone know if its on any radio station tonight? pondering here weather to go. its only half an hour fron newry according to google maps.
I was just listening to five fm and no mention of football.  They were advertising Susan McCann on from 7pm to 9pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on January 14, 2009, 09:01:06 PM
you should thank your lucky stars its not on 5 fm, coverage is awful.. I switched on 1 day and it was enough some fella s on commentating and reviewing games and they wouldnt know if a football was round or square..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on January 14, 2009, 10:10:49 PM
From BBC Sport Website

Monaghan 1-12 1-9 Down  

Thomas Freeman scored Monaghan's goal against Down
Holders and Section B leaders Down suffered a three-point defeat at the hands of Monaghan in the Gaelic Life McKenna Cup on Wednesday night.

A Thomas Freeman penalty after six minutes boosted Monaghan and helped them to a 1-7 to 0-3 lead at half-time.

Down, who had previously beaten Tyrone and St Mary's, got their goal deep into stoppage-time through Conor Garvey.

It was Monaghan's first win of the cup campaign and they now face Tyrone in Omagh on Sunday.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 14, 2009, 11:46:04 PM
My maths may be a bit dodgy, but I reckon that unless one side or the other wins the Tyrone/Monaghan game by a huge margin, we are already practically guaranteed to top the section on scoring average. If so, it looks like a semi away to Armagh next Wednesday. Can anyone confirm this ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 15, 2009, 02:33:16 AM
Down were a shadow of the team that played on Sunday, all we wanted to do was fist pass and any time we kicked  the ball was misplaced... Down played with The two Magees as a two man full forawrd line with Benny as an extra half forward, Monaghan were happy to let benny recieve ball in midfield with his back to goal, We coukld have exploited Monaghan with Benny at Full-forward and quick early ball.. Our defenders think they are Pat Spillane coming out of defence... can we just not kick the ball 50 yards out of danger!!!!
Inniskeen is an unbelievable set-up, three floodlight prunty pitches with stands at two of the pitches. Our scoring average looks good so if Armagh get at least a point against Cavan then we play them next Wednesday.. ::) :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: edendorkgael on January 15, 2009, 09:30:29 AM

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AN EVENING OF CHAT & DEBATE ON THE HOT TOPICS OF THE GAA

Would you like to be the new owner of this future greyhound champion?


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The pup is three and a half months old and is a son of leading sire Ningbo Jack. His mother is from the much sought after breeding line of Staplers Jo and has already thrown winners in her previous two litters.
Anyone wishing to place a bid for the pup should telephone
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on January 15, 2009, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on January 15, 2009, 02:33:16 AM

Inniskeen is an unbelievable set-up, three floodlight prunty pitches with stands at two of the pitches. Our scoring average looks good so if Armagh get at least a point against Cavan then we play them next Wednesday.. ::) :'(

Certainly one of the best club set-ups I have seen, much of a crowd?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 15, 2009, 12:08:34 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 15, 2009, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on January 15, 2009, 02:33:16 AM

Inniskeen is an unbelievable set-up, three floodlight prunty pitches with stands at two of the pitches. Our scoring average looks good so if Armagh get at least a point against Cavan then we play them next Wednesday.. ::) :'(

Certainly one of the best club set-ups I have seen, much of a crowd?

i would have thought between 1500 and 2000, where does Inniskeen get the money?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on January 15, 2009, 12:10:30 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on January 15, 2009, 12:08:34 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 15, 2009, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on January 15, 2009, 02:33:16 AM

Inniskeen is an unbelievable set-up, three floodlight prunty pitches with stands at two of the pitches. Our scoring average looks good so if Armagh get at least a point against Cavan then we play them next Wednesday.. ::) :'(

Certainly one of the best club set-ups I have seen, much of a crowd?

i would have thought between 1500 and 2000, where does Inniskeen get the money?

They sold their old ground for massive bucks to a property developer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 15, 2009, 04:54:24 PM
On another note altogether some of the whingers on here might be interested to know that Ronan Murtagh has rejoined the panel again and has resumed training.. Storm in a teacup over, nothing to see here, move along please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 15, 2009, 05:22:19 PM
Brick Tamlin, I think every Down supporter would like to see a fit and focused Ronan Murtagh in our panel. The problem is that his performances in five of the six championship matches he started last summer were poor. He hit a few scores against a dreadful Offaly side, but had the proverbial nightmare when we really needed him against Wexford and made little impact elsewhere. He would need to improve significantly if he is to make the first 15.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 15, 2009, 07:28:23 PM
Mourne rover, I disagree completely. Ronan at 60% is twice the player of most of those playing mckenna cup right now. There will definitely be a starting position for ronan come summer!

Name me 6 forwards in down better than him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on January 15, 2009, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on January 15, 2009, 07:28:23 PM
Mourne rover, I disagree completely. Ronan at 60% is twice the player of most of those playing mckenna cup right now. There will definitely be a starting position for ronan come summer!

Name me 6 forwards in down better than him

1 coulter
2 mccomiskey
3 walsh
4 ambrose
5 sexton
6 aidan burns

not that hard to name 6 good forwards from within the county who would push murtagh for place.

he's worth a place on the panel - hope the season goes well for him (am sure the rest of the spicer's will be glad to have him back :D :D :D :D)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 15, 2009, 08:43:55 PM
Aidan Burns had his chance a couple of years ago, and showed some promise but faded fairly quickly. Michael Walsh is similar to Ronan Murtagh, in that he is a talented player who has not done himself justice in recent years.  

If everyone is fit and available, my idea of our six best forwards would be Benny Coulter, Paul McComiskey, Daniel Hughes, Ambrose Rogers, John Clarke and, if he continues to improve, Michael Magee. Then there's Ronan Sexton, Eoin McCartan, Kevin McKernan, Stephen Kearney, and, on McKenna Cup form, John Fegan and John Boyle.

Murtagh, if he can impose himself on games in a way which simply did not happen last summer, is well capable of making the second group but will need to push himself very hard to get into the first team. The idea that he might do so while playing at 60 per cent of his potential is ludicrous, but I wish him well.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 15, 2009, 08:46:46 PM

On song Ronan is worth his place on team. I agree with you saying Coulter, Walsh and Mccomiskey. I think Murtagh, Danny Hughes and John Clarke should make up the six forwards with ambrose partnering Dan in midfield. The ones Ross is working with at minute will never make it and there is numerous better players about not getting the chance. I think also that players such as Conor Laverty and Mark Poland would be useful squad players who could make an impact coming off the bench. Sexton, Kearney and fegan have never done it when it mattered and dont offer a scoring threat from play.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 15, 2009, 10:20:44 PM
Mid down Gael, agree with you whole heartedly! What a front 6 plus midfield that would be! Definitely our best 8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 15, 2009, 10:41:28 PM
 Lads, yiz are very hard on Rony Sexton.  OK he's not a prolific scorer but his workrate, attitude and ability to win dirty breaking ball should not be under estimated.  One of the most consistent performers on the senior team in the last 3 or 4 years.

Ronan Murtagh is the best club footballer I've been unfortunate enough to come up against, absolutely terrifying when in full flight.  However, (sorry Ballyholland lads) he has never produced it for his county, the potential is there no doubt but it's about time he delivered.  Perhaps the No.14 red and black jersey would see him fulfil that potential.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 15, 2009, 11:38:03 PM
No1 is right to highlight Sexton's overall contribution, and he has scored a few goals as well. There will always be a doubt over a player of his size against physically bigger opponents, but he must be in the squad and could still make the team.

Size is also the problem for Conor Laverty and Mark Poland,who are proposed by Mid Down Gael. Laverty in particular has as much natural talent as any forward we have fielded in recent years, but he was given an extended run under Paddy O'Rourke and did not really make an impact. While Poland has not had as many chances, he is very light for championship football.

Some people seem to be assuming that Ambrose is going to come straight back into our midfield, but he is still recovering from major surgery. Joe Ireland may yet be an option there, and Ambrose would still win an enormous amount of possession at half forward.

We have to accept that, while most of our players seemed to simply freeze against Wexford at Croke Park, we struggled at a basic level to cope with the physical presence of Armagh at Clones. If we cannot win the ball, our forwards are never going to score. That's way guys like Michael Magee, who is raw but very strong, have to be looked at closely in the spring.

Until Peter Withnell came along in 90/91, we had brilliant forwards who underperformed in the championship. I'm not saying Magee is another Withnell, but there is only one way to find out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 16, 2009, 01:17:33 AM
Would include Sexton before Walsh. Not questioning Walshes ability, but dont think he has the appetite or mind-set for Co.football, reminds me of Shorty Treanor, brilliant for club but never clicked at Co,level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 16, 2009, 09:35:06 AM
Fellas, the argument for replacing Murtagh because he hasn't done well in the Championship over the past few years can be levelled at every Down forward, even Coulter to a  certain extent.

Whoever it is that wants to make an argument about his inconsistency should also start counting the big games produced by Hughes, Sexton, Clarke and all the other likely replacements in recent years.


Mourne Rover - I find it hard to believe that you've elevated Miceal Magee to first-choice status because he's scored a few points in the McKenna Cup. I hope he turns into a quality player, I really do, but this is a ridiculously early judgement.


Based on pure talent,  I'd be heading to this sort of line-up for the summer:

1. McVeigh

2. Rafferty
3. Cole
4. Howard

5. Carr
6. Duffin
7. Murphy

8. Rogers
9. Ireland / Gordon

10. Clarke
11. Doyle
12. Fitzpatrick / McComiskey

13. Coulter
14. Gordon / McComiskey
15. Murtagh


The big call there is Joe Ireland. This fella had all the potential in the world 3 years ago, but has played off reputation since. He is now big enough and strong enough to complement his skill set. If the mind is right, we might actually be in a position to release Gordon into the full-forward line. That's a big if though.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 16, 2009, 10:37:32 AM
I'm hoping to see Liam Doyle at 6 come the Summer , thought he did very well there last year and who knows what would of happened had he stayed on against Armagh .
Michael Magee and Joe Ireland have a lot to do to break into the Championship team and more luck to them but I don't think we will see Dan playing full forward this yr or any other . He was brilliant last yr and the only real out an out midfielder we have at the moment .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blowinharp:-) on January 16, 2009, 11:28:53 AM
whats everyone views on clarke not being on the panel anymore...... ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on January 16, 2009, 11:42:43 AM
Quote from: downredblack on January 16, 2009, 10:37:32 AM
I'm hoping to see Liam Doyle at 6 come the Summer , thought he did very well there last year and who knows what would of happened had he stayed on against Armagh .


You still would have lost.

In saying that, he was superb at six in Healy last year, and is ideal for that position for me, a real driving force of the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on January 16, 2009, 11:49:57 AM
Quote from: blowinharp:-) on January 16, 2009, 11:28:53 AM
whats everyone views on clarke not being on the panel anymore...... ???

Good boost for An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 16, 2009, 12:10:58 PM
Quote from: corn02 on January 16, 2009, 11:42:43 AM
Quote from: downredblack on January 16, 2009, 10:37:32 AM
I'm hoping to see Liam Doyle at 6 come the Summer , thought he did very well there last year and who knows what would of happened had he stayed on against Armagh .


You still would have lost.

In saying that, he was superb at six in Healy last year, and is ideal for that position for me, a real driving force of the team.



Knew you would say that  ;D

His free taking alone was badly missed that day but sure we will never know .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 16, 2009, 12:13:00 PM
Quote from: blowinharp:-) on January 16, 2009, 11:28:53 AM
whats everyone views on clarke not being on the panel anymore...... ???

Hopefully a temporary thing , like Murtagh too good a player not to be there .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mattockranger on January 16, 2009, 02:53:38 PM
What is the reason for both clarke and murtagh's omissions from the squad if ya don't mind me asking??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 16, 2009, 03:54:55 PM
dont think its common knowledge...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 16, 2009, 05:52:58 PM
There is an old saying that if you consistently keep failing with plan A then it is time for plan B.
That is why it is time to forget about Sexton and Murtagh in particular and move on.

Not only is a shake up needed in personnel but also in formation.

We have one of the most gifyed forwards in the game, we are using him badly and we need to change that.
We do not have wonderful defenders so we need a more defensive set up behind the fowards.
We stutter and fail with this awful short passing but have the speed and natural football to make good use of the diagonal long ball to open up defences.

The team to achieve this  is:

Goals: McVeigh

Full back line: Howard, Sloan, Cole. (I have been suggesting Sloan for this position for over a year).

Half-backs: Murphy, Doyle (or Garvey if Doyle still missing), Duffin.

Utilise a 4-man Mid-field: Gordon, Carr, Rodgers (Ireland or Fitzpatrick if Ambrose still out) & Davey.  (Select Carr & Davey at half forward but play 4 across middle. Seen enough of Davey to rate hinm as a smart player and Carr has not enough tackle in him to play further back but both these can deliver quality ball from deep)

Half-forward line: McComiskey, Clarke, Hughes.

Benny on his own up front. With loads of room, a nightmare for any full-back.
McComiskey & Hughes have speed to come from deep and play off Benny

If the opposition play two on him then push McComiskey & Hughes to the flanks to run at defence, with support through middle from Clarke, and two of the middle men pushing forward.

Horses for courses.

Back in the eighties we habd the same arguments about great wee players like Shorty & Bundy Mason but they cut no mustard at county level and only when they were replaced did we win two All-Irelands.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on January 16, 2009, 07:39:17 PM
Quote from: mattockranger on January 16, 2009, 02:53:38 PM
What is the reason for both clarke and murtagh's omissions from the squad if ya don't mind me asking??


murtagh cited work committments for his absence, apparently carr said his attitude wasnt right

clarke had a family engagement on same time as training - apologised for missing training and carr tect him to say dont bother coming back

an interesting formation there LEO, joe ireland has to be the big find for this season-, strong fella although his vision is limited. really hope michael magee gets a chance come league time - I'm interested to see if he can make the cut on a big day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 16, 2009, 09:09:27 PM
There's plenty to talk about in the selections from Wobbler and Leo, but I would have to point out to Wobbler that in my post last night (reply no 8235) I only suggested Magee as a contender if he continued to improve - he obviously has a long way to go at the moment.

Funnily enough, Wobbler, having expressed concerns about inexperience, went on to pick Ireland, who has just as little senior grounding as Magee, Duffin, who has less, and Fitzpatrick, who has yet to kick a competitive ball at this level.

As it happens, I agree that all three have clear potential and I expect to see them featuring in the spring and possibly even the summer. The only name apart from Magee that I would definitely add to Wobbler's list is McKernan, and I think that Cole should ideally be in the corner rather than at full back.

I'm not sure about Sloan at number three either, as proposed by Leo, but there is only one way to find out. Although I would not rule out an extra defender, I can't see four at midfield as viable, and I think McComiskey can probably only play at corner forward.

As far as Murtagh is concerned, we seem to be dragging out a fairly simple debate. He deserves a place in the squad if he can either take his scores or consistently win the ball, or both. Last summer, apart from the non-event against Offaly, he did neither, so he will obviously face increased competition for selection and he needs to prove himself all over again. The difference with Coulter is that, even when he is relatively out of form, he is still liable to score a goal. When he is on form, he would get on to any team in the country.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blowinharp:-) on January 16, 2009, 09:50:07 PM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on January 16, 2009, 07:39:17 PM
Quote from: mattockranger on January 16, 2009, 02:53:38 PM
What is the reason for both clarke and murtagh's omissions from the squad if ya don't mind me asking??


murtagh cited work committments for his absence, apparently carr said his attitude wasnt right

clarke had a family engagement on same time as training - apologised for missing training and carr tect him to say dont bother coming back

an interesting formation there LEO, joe ireland has to be the big find for this season-, strong fella although his vision is limited. really hope michael magee gets a chance come league time - I'm interested to see if he can make the cut on a big day.


correct, clarke informed carr that he was unable to attend training on sun 28th, and the reply from carr was clear - be there or dont come back.  i think this is a harsh decision for a number of reasons:
- there wasnt 'suppose' to be any training on before jan
- you cant question clarkes training commitment as he very rarely misses any
- it was christmas!

Mr carr should question himself    ..... did he miss any training sessions in his time?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 17, 2009, 02:33:50 AM
Leos analysis while interesting and worthy of discussion is let Down by his Judgement on Shorty and Bundy Mason. While he is right about Shorty failing to transfer his enormous talent from club to county, the same cannot be said of Bundy. Bundy was one of the best forwards Down ever produced, and despite playing on a poor team, managed to emerge as the highest scorer in the country in 1986.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 17, 2009, 09:57:47 AM
Down U-21 Football Panel named
 
Down Under 21 Footballers play Louth on Tuesday Night 20th January at Darver. Bus will leave the Queens Student Union at 4.45 pm and Canal Court Newry at 6.00 pm.

The Following players are asked to be in attendance

Gavin Joyce
Kieran Gordan
Cathal Murdock
Mark Digney
Joe Murphy
Timmy Hanna
Colm Murney
Damien Turley
Anton Haughey
Niall Higgins
Ryan Boyle
Conor Poland
Ryan McGovern
Aaron Somers
Ciaran Coffey
Luke Byrne
Peter Fitzpatrick
Eamonn Toner
Michael Magee
Ruarai Digney
Jamie O Reilly
Paul McCumiskey
Conor Maginn
Paul Devlin
Tony Havern
Joe Starkey
Conor Magee
Cathal Crilly
Conaill McGovern
Ben O Reilly
Cian Slevin



Not too many surprise inclusions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 17, 2009, 01:54:53 PM
Thats a fairly decent looking under 21 team. A lot of players on it that werent on the corresponding team at Minor level in 2006. You would have to have fairly decent hopes for that set of players this coming year.

In regards to the Down Senior team for '09. Firstly, dont place too much emphasis on the emergence of Michael Magee. Ive seen him play on numerous occasions over the years and whilst there is no doubt he is physically strong, adept at free taking and a good ball carrier, Id have serious questions marks hanging over his attitude, temperment and consistency levels. Definitely not one who prospers when things arent going his way or for that matter in the heat of Championship battle.

It is absolutely ridiculous the slating Ronan Murtagh is getting on this board. He is a 100% effort player but I do feel that he has been played out of position too long. His best position in my eyes is full forward. Thats where he plays his club football most of the time and thats where he should be for the county. Ideally, Coulter and McComiskey (corner forward is the position best suited to him at this level) playing off him in the corners would surmount to a trio that would severely test the majority of defences in Ireland.

Id like to see how the National League will pan out. Kevin Duffin and Peter Fitzpatrick need more game time and they should be regulars on this team for the next ten years. Ireland is no doubt starting to realise his potential but Jackie Lynch may just be a better alternative in terms of offering something different to what Gordon offers.

For the National League, Id like to see something like this XV lining out:

1 - Michael McAllister

2 - Luke Howard
3 - Martin Cole
4 - Damien Rafferty

5 - Paul Murphy/Kevin Duffin
6 - Liam Doyle
7 - Aidan Carr

8 - Peter Fitzpatrick/Joe Ireland/Jack Lynch
9 - Dan Gordon

10 - Ronan Sexton
11 - Danny Hughes
12 - John Clarke

13 - Benny Coulter
14 - Ronan Murtagh
15 - Paul McComiskey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 17, 2009, 02:21:57 PM
DF is writing off Magee very quickly, given that he is still an u21 and has yet to make his league debut. We will find out about his temperament soon enough, but, on the strength of his McKenna Cup form, it would be foolish not to give him an extended run in the spring. Physically strong men who can play a bit of football do not come along very often in our forward line.

There are plenty of positive elements about DF's league selection, but placing Hughes at centre half forward is highly unlikely to work. He really needs to be on the wing, and McKernan, unless he is needed at the back, looks a more natural  no 11 to me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 17, 2009, 06:49:58 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 17, 2009, 01:54:53 PM
Thats a fairly decent looking under 21 team. A lot of players on it that werent on the corresponding team at Minor level in 2006. You would have to have fairly decent hopes for that set of players this coming year.

In regards to the Down Senior team for '09. Firstly, dont place too much emphasis on the emergence of Michael Magee. Ive seen him play on numerous occasions over the years and whilst there is no doubt he is physically strong, adept at free taking and a good ball carrier, Id have serious questions marks hanging over his attitude, temperment and consistency levels. Definitely not one who prospers when things arent going his way or for that matter in the heat of Championship battle.

It is absolutely ridiculous the slating Ronan Murtagh is getting on this board. He is a 100% effort player but I do feel that he has been played out of position too long. His best position in my eyes is full forward. Thats where he plays his club football most of the time and thats where he should be for the county. Ideally, Coulter and McComiskey (corner forward is the position best suited to him at this level) playing off him in the corners would surmount to a trio that would severely test the majority of defences in Ireland.

Id like to see how the National League will pan out. Kevin Duffin and Peter Fitzpatrick need more game time and they should be regulars on this team for the next ten years. Ireland is no doubt starting to realise his potential but Jackie Lynch may just be a better alternative in terms of offering something different to what Gordon offers.

For the National League, Id like to see something like this XV lining out:

1 - Michael McAllister

2 - Luke Howard
3 - Martin Cole
4 - Damien Rafferty

5 - Paul Murphy/Kevin Duffin
6 - Liam Doyle
7 - Aidan Carr

8 - Peter Fitzpatrick/Joe Ireland/Jack Lynch
9 - Dan Gordon

10 - Ronan Sexton
11 - Danny Hughes
12 - John Clarke

13 - Benny Coulter
14 - Ronan Murtagh
15 - Paul McComiskey

Not far off what I would be thinking, though Doyle is still out injured. Surely room has to be made somewhere for Ambrose (persuming he is fit). Would like to see Pete Fitzpatrick get his chance, any time I have seen him play he has being excellent. The same being true of Kevin Duffin, terrific passer,great vision and a football brain. Interesting employment of Aidan Carr on the edge of the square, be worth keeping an eye on to see if Ross persists with him there. Agee with MR in regards to the employment of Hughes on the wing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on January 17, 2009, 08:47:17 PM
McKenna Cup Semi-fiinal

Its look like that
Down v Queens
Donegal v (Armagh, Monaghan or Tyrone) my guess is Armagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: official on January 17, 2009, 11:43:00 PM
Quote from: Leo on January 16, 2009, 05:52:58 PM
There is an old saying that if you consistently keep failing with plan A then it is time for plan B.
That is why it is time to forget about Sexton and Murtagh in particular and move on.

Not only is a shake up needed in personnel but also in formation.

We have one of the most gifyed forwards in the game, we are using him badly and we need to change that.
We do not have wonderful defenders so we need a more defensive set up behind the fowards.
We stutter and fail with this awful short passing but have the speed and natural football to make good use of the diagonal long ball to open up defences.

The team to achieve this  is:

Goals: McVeigh

Full back line: Howard, Sloan, Cole. (I have been suggesting Sloan for this position for over a year).

Half-backs: Murphy, Doyle (or Garvey if Doyle still missing), Duffin.

Utilise a 4-man Mid-field: Gordon, Carr, Rodgers (Ireland or Fitzpatrick if Ambrose still out) & Davey.  (Select Carr & Davey at half forward but play 4 across middle. Seen enough of Davey to rate hinm as a smart player and Carr has not enough tackle in him to play further back but both these can deliver quality ball from deep)

Half-forward line: McComiskey, Clarke, Hughes.

Benny on his own up front. With loads of room, a nightmare for any full-back.
McComiskey & Hughes have speed to come from deep and play off Benny

If the opposition play two on him then push McComiskey & Hughes to the flanks to run at defence, with support through middle from Clarke, and two of the middle men pushing forward.

Horses for courses.

Back in the eighties we habd the same arguments about great wee players like Shorty & Bundy Mason but they cut no mustard at county level and only when they were replaced did we win two All-Irelands.




LEO,   Bundy Mason - Cut no mustard

Brendan Mason was one of the best Gaelic footballers ever to put on the famous red and black shirt, a former all star nominee and participant in an ~All star tour in the eighties, the former top scorer in ulster and Ireland was untouchable at club and county level, an Ohare cup winner (and Div1 down league 89), national league winner and collector of many more accolades. Mason would undoubtably be a great asset to the current county team. Masons bravery, speed and commitment was undoubtably the reason for his successful career as a gaelic footballer !

Loc An Oileann agus An Dun Abu 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 18, 2009, 12:27:07 AM
I'm with Official on this one. Mason was brilliant for Down season after season after making his debut and actually winning the league in 82/83. He was at least as good as his fellow corner forward Linden in that period and I can hardly put it higher than that. Mason took a break in 90/91 and James suddenly emerged and gave us something different. However, Mason came back into the squad but McGrath seemed reluctant to pick him in the championship. McGrath got most things right, but it was strange that he did not use Mason, who was on the bench, at any stage when we were hammered by Derry at the Marshes in 93. Mason never returned, but it was cruel that he missed out on an AI medal. He was an outstanding Down player by any standards.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 18, 2009, 11:57:52 AM
Gotta agree about Bundy - absolute fllying machine.  In his prime he was unreal and its just a pity was hadn't come along 5 years later than he did as he would have been involved in both of Down's All Irelands.  He was one of the mainstays of the Down teams in the late 80's and helped Loughinisland break up the Burren dominance of Down club football.

I don't think he played much for Down in the 90's and more recently has had to have both hips replaced, probably due to the abuse he received from savage corner backs trying to stop the speedster from Drumaness, Loughinisland.   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 18, 2009, 06:09:51 PM
Kilcoo beat Downpatrick/Ardglass in under 20 simi final 1-9 til 0-8. they will meet St.Marys in final. was at the game in newcastle, it was hard to belive kilcoo only have one county under 21. Dun Glais had 3 on view including senior player Michael Magee. again kilcoo are overlooked by county management. its hard to understand why when they consistently achieve at under age and senior level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 18, 2009, 06:52:54 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 18, 2009, 06:09:51 PM
Kilcoo beat Downpatrick/Ardglass in under 20 simi final 1-9 til 0-8. they will meet St.Marys in final. was at the game in newcastle, it was hard to belive kilcoo only have one county under 21. Dun Glais had 3 on view including senior player Michael Magee. again kilcoo are overlooked by county management. its hard to understand why when they consistently achieve at under age and senior level.

what did St Marys beat the Duff by? Any word of the B competition?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 18, 2009, 06:58:23 PM
St Marys won by 4 after extra time. Bryansford didnt field against Castlewellan in B competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on January 18, 2009, 08:25:08 PM
McKenna Cup

Wednesday's semi-finals

Down play Queen's - Wed Night 7.30 Paric Esler

Armagh face Donegal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on January 19, 2009, 08:58:23 AM
When is Down GAA powers that be going to face up to the reailty that no one is going to travel from the Ards to Newry to watch a County HURLING match, i feel it is time to say we tried but its just not happening so we are going back to Portaferry/Ballycran!!!!!!!
According to the IN only 47 spectators there yesterday, there is more at a div 4 league game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 19, 2009, 09:03:40 AM
Quote from: off the laces on January 19, 2009, 08:58:23 AM
When is Down GAA powers that be going to face up to the reailty that no one is going to travel from the Ards to Newry to watch a County HURLING match, i feel it is time to say we tried but its just not happening so we are going back to Portaferry/Ballycran!!!!!!!
According to the IN only 47 spectators there yesterday, there is more at a div 4 league game.

With the crap weather over the weekend do you think 47 would even have turned up at Portaferry or Ballycran to watch a skeleton squad play DIT, I'd doubt it, there'll be bigger games over in the Ards very shortly and I'll bet you know there won't be as many at them as there's at a Feile final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on January 19, 2009, 09:47:39 AM
Leo you let yourself down by your comments on bundy.  Won a National league at 18 years of age with down in 83, was a replacement all star on one occassion and was nominated for an all star 4 years in a row- when was the last time down even had a nomination? benny is one of best in ireland yet has never received a nomination. Just tells you how good he was at county level.

Top scorer in ireland one year when down only got to the ulster final-
if anyone either watched him play there was a buzz in the cowd when he got the ball as he was a scoring machine.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 19, 2009, 09:59:32 AM
When will the fixtures be published?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on January 19, 2009, 10:53:36 AM
Taken from the Mckenna Cup thread:

From An Dún website down.gaa.ie

Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup: Down v Queens Thur 7.30 pm Newry
  Date : 18/01/2009 22:59

Down will take on Queens University Belfast on Thursday Night at 7.30pm in Pairc Esler, Newry in the Dr McKenna Cup Semi Final.

The match was originally fixed for Wed night but Down boss Ross Carr agreed to change the match to Thursday night as Queens would have been missing upwards to 12 of their starting team due to exams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 19, 2009, 02:07:33 PM
Quote from: islandboy on January 19, 2009, 09:47:39 AM
Leo you let yourself down by your comments on bundy.  Won a National league at 18 years of age with down in 83, was a replacement all star on one occassion and was nominated for an all star 4 years in a row- when was the last time down even had a nomination? benny is one of best in ireland yet has never received a nomination. Just tells you how good he was at county level.

definitely very strange that Benny hasnt had an allstar nomination and I thought Dan should have been nominated last year. I suspect the crash v wexford ended our all star nomination chances!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 19, 2009, 02:23:17 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on January 19, 2009, 02:07:33 PM
Quote from: islandboy on January 19, 2009, 09:47:39 AM
Leo you let yourself down by your comments on bundy.  Won a National league at 18 years of age with down in 83, was a replacement all star on one occassion and was nominated for an all star 4 years in a row- when was the last time down even had a nomination? benny is one of best in ireland yet has never received a nomination. Just tells you how good he was at county level.

definitely very strange that Benny hasnt had an allstar nomination and I thought Dan should have been nominated last year. I suspect the crash v wexford ended our all star nomination chances!

Last All Star nominee we had was Shane Mulholland....yes...it WAS that long ago!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on January 19, 2009, 05:33:32 PM
I agree with you Leo, that team and formation would cause any team in ireland trouble, but unlike us Ross cant see that, but why can he not, we're just fans, he's the flippin county manager. And for him to tell JC not to come back for missing one training session is a disgrace, for a number of reasons, 1) NO team should be training before January, 2) He had given Carr a reason and notice that he wouldn't be there, disgrace,  its stunts like this that make me feel he hasn't got he best intrest of the county at heart, if he keeps dropping our top performers, JC was great for us in the McKenna cup and Championship last season and for Carr to drop him just doesn't make any sense, and its nit just JC were talking about. Alegdley one night after training before a match, Carr placed a drinking ban on the team, but insisted that the team go out for a meal in a hotel, he offered the players a drink, James Colgan said yes,  and a few hours later Carr text him telling him he was off the team, everyone involved ion the management of the team is  two-faced, most notably Carr and DJ, Carr seems to have a problem with Kingdom men  :-\

NedFlanders
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on January 19, 2009, 05:45:07 PM
here lad i dont know how right or wrong any of that is but if you are going to make allegations and deride people like that you should do more than sign it ned flanders. makes you sound like an eejit with a chip on the shoulder and too be honest we have a few too many of these on here at present.

its a bit cheap to register on here and have a go at someone after 3 posts and expect it to be treated with any respectability.

rant over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 19, 2009, 05:45:47 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on January 19, 2009, 05:33:32 PM
I agree with you Leo, that team and formation would cause any team in ireland trouble, but unlike us Ross cant see that, but why can he not, we're just fans, he's the flippin county manager. And for him to tell JC not to come back for missing one training session is a disgrace, for a number of reasons, 1) NO team should be training before January, 2) He had given Carr a reason and notice that he wouldn't be there, disgrace,  its stunts like this that make me feel he hasn't got he best intrest of the county at heart, if he keeps dropping our top performers, JC was great for us in the McKenna cup and Championship last season and for Carr to drop him just doesn't make any sense, and its nit just JC were talking about. One night after training before a match, Carr placed a drinking ban on the team, but insisted that the team go out for a meal in a hotel, he offered the players a drink, James Colgan said yes,  and a few hours later Carr text him telling him he was off the team, everyone involved ion the management of the team is a two-faced rat, most notably Carr and DJ, Carr seems to have a problem with Kingdom men so don't pencil any plays on putting brendy on your starting 15 just yet, Thursdays along Way away.   :-\

NedFlanders

::) ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 19, 2009, 06:37:33 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on January 19, 2009, 05:33:32 PM
I agree with you Leo, that team and formation would cause any team in ireland trouble, but unlike us Ross cant see that, but why can he not, we're just fans, he's the flippin county manager. And for him to tell JC not to come back for missing one training session is a disgrace, for a number of reasons, 1) NO team should be training before January, 2) He had given Carr a reason and notice that he wouldn't be there, disgrace,  its stunts like this that make me feel he hasn't got he best intrest of the county at heart, if he keeps dropping our top performers, JC was great for us in the McKenna cup and Championship last season and for Carr to drop him just doesn't make any sense, and its nit just JC were talking about. One night after training before a match, Carr placed a drinking ban on the team, but insisted that the team go out for a meal in a hotel, he offered the players a drink, James Colgan said yes,  and a few hours later Carr text him telling him he was off the team, everyone involved ion the management of the team is a two-faced rat, most notably Carr and DJ, Carr seems to have a problem with Kingdom men so don't pencil any plays on putting brendy on your starting 15 just yet, Thursdays along Way away.   :-\

NedFlanders

And all of this is gospel yes?? You wouldnt be from the kingdom would you Ned?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on January 19, 2009, 08:02:59 PM
Im only telling you what ive been told and know to my knowledge! And i can have a go if i want, everyones entitled to there say  ;) And no, im not a kingdom man!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on January 19, 2009, 08:24:04 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on January 19, 2009, 08:02:59 PM
Im only telling you what ive been told and know to my knowledge! And i can have a go if i want, everyones entitled to there say  ;) And no, im not a kingdom man!
Everyone is entitled to their say but the story about Colgan is not 100% accurate from what several county players told me at the time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on January 19, 2009, 08:59:35 PM
did colgan not leave the panel that time and say it was due to exam commitments?think i remember something in the irish news about it at the time.  also heard hearsay at the time that he left because he wanted to play midfield and that wasnt going to happen, but as i say that was hearsay.  doubt neds story is 100% true..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blowinharp:-) on January 19, 2009, 09:15:31 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on January 19, 2009, 08:02:59 PM
Im only telling you what ive been told and know to my knowledge! And i can have a go if i want, everyones entitled to there say  ;) And no, im not a kingdom man!

the info about clarke is true, the players all want him back on the squad, but ross called the shots so where do we go from here?? ross is by all means the boss, but i feel he needs to be more consistent with his decisions..... aidan carr is going skiing in feb some time, will he will be dropped??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on January 19, 2009, 09:19:34 PM
ross seems to be laying down the law. does this sort of approach work? from my experience a more "gentle" approach for want of a better word encourages players to behave better
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on January 19, 2009, 09:31:09 PM
Well i did say that alledgedly i heard the colgan story but i wrote what i thought was true and i it was not, sorry for the inconveinence! BUt clarke should be on the team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 19, 2009, 09:40:15 PM
Some of the stories on here are absurd. Plainly absurd. Down GAA is like one giant Chinese whisper.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 20, 2009, 12:27:10 AM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on December 16, 2008, 12:11:36 AM
I hate to be critical but the new website looks terrible, its gone from bad to worse.

Although I still don`t like the new layout, the content has improved greatly and its updated more frequently.

Quote from: thewobbler on January 19, 2009, 09:40:15 PM
Some of the stories on here are absurd. Plainly absurd. Down GAA is like one giant Chinese whisper.

Some of the posters need to wise up or go back to slagging their class mates off on hoganstand.
Title: lets wise up
Post by: goldenyears on January 20, 2009, 09:26:51 AM
i actually thought this board had a decent reputation for posters willing to take and make opinions - in recent months we have really seen the standards drop, so c'mon lads lets get back to some proper discussion and cut out the "he says / she says" :)

i am not trying to police the board but definitely we are seeing alot of the type of posts we would typically have seen on hoganstand- everyone is entitled to post but please if you're on to start rumours or add to rumour then please dont post at all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on January 20, 2009, 11:58:00 AM

This thread should be closed down. It's just a load of deluded people talking about fairy stories and playing make believe.
in fact, if we broaden the approach, the down county board and its constituent parts should be deleted for the same reason.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on January 20, 2009, 12:15:59 PM
Most of the bullshit coming from the newer members I see... Hmmmm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 20, 2009, 12:32:33 PM
i dunno about the rest of the board but this this particular thread has gone to the dogs this last 8 months or so.
where do these idiots come out of. would be interesting to see the breakdown of which clubs the Down posters are from.

these days there isnt much in the way of interesting or worthwhile discussion on this thread.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on January 20, 2009, 12:53:35 PM
New Down Website!!
What do you think of the New Website???
At the minute they are very slow to post match results and reports so what will it be like when the season is in full flow??
I honestly see no improvement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on January 20, 2009, 01:28:40 PM
Eyes, how do you think the match reports are sent in,either by the referee or a club pro. The web site admin can only operate as quick as these are sent in, as i am sure he/she cannot be at all the games. When the season kicks off i am sure all the little snags will be dealt with to ensure you get ur match reports.
Maybe u should start a petition to get all refs free blackberrys so they can e-mail the scores in maybe even the half-times ;D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 20, 2009, 01:31:46 PM
Quote from: off the laces on January 20, 2009, 01:28:40 PM
Eyes, how do you think the match reports are sent in,either by the referee or a club pro. The web site admin can only operate as quick as these are sent in, as i am sure he/she cannot be at all the games. When the season kicks off i am sure all the little snags will be dealt with to ensure you get ur match reports.
Maybe u should start a petition to get all refs free blackberrys so they can e-mail the scores in maybe even the half-times ;D ;)

now there's an idea!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on January 20, 2009, 01:48:48 PM
At the moment there is only the East Down U20 competition to report on.
It would be nice to find the results posted within a few days of the games.
Results of Sundays games have not as of yet appeared on the Down website.
Maybe these EAST Down U20 game are of more interest to rest of the County than they are to the County U21 management team!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 20, 2009, 02:09:32 PM
Im intrigued about the situation of the young lad Aaron Somers who has been called up to the Down U-21 panel. He is listed as a Tir Chonnail Gaels (London) player. Now, Id think it would be highly unlikely that he is going to be flying back and forth from London for training and matches. Im guessing here that he is now residing back in Down? If so it will be interesting to see whether he takes up with a club here and transfers.

I know a club in the East Down area who have a proud record in welcoming in players from other clubs and young Somers could do a lot worse than offer his services in their direction  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on January 20, 2009, 03:59:50 PM
New Mayobridge manager is reported to be Paul Carroll.....Don't no a bit lot about the man but i know he took the bridge back in the mid nineties just before the likes of Benny and Mickey Walsh etc, came on the scene!! haven't heard any negative reports about the decision so im sure the bridge are happy he is the man for the job!! Amallon or any of the other bridge posters can u confirm this, as has been reported recently, i don't want to appear to be reporting hear'say
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Off The Fence on January 20, 2009, 04:09:56 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 20, 2009, 02:09:32 PM
Im intrigued about the situation of the young lad Aaron Somers who has been called up to the Down U-21 panel. He is listed as a Tir Chonnail Gaels (London) player. Now, Id think it would be highly unlikely that he is going to be flying back and forth from London for training and matches. Im guessing here that he is now residing back in Down? If so it will be interesting to see whether he takes up with a club here and transfers.

I know a club in the East Down area who have a proud record in welcoming in players from other clubs and young Somers could do a lot worse than offer his services in their direction  ;D

Is he not attending UUJ?
Quote from: Dulaney on January 20, 2009, 03:59:50 PM
New Mayobridge manager is reported to be Paul Carroll.....Don't no a bit lot about the man but i know he took the bridge back in the mid nineties just before the likes of Benny and Mickey Walsh etc, came on the scene!! haven't heard any negative reports about the decision so im sure the bridge are happy he is the man for the job!! Amallon or any of the other bridge posters can u confirm this, as has been reported recently, i don't want to appear to be reporting hear'say

Paul Carroll former Carrickcruppen/Whitecross manager?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on January 20, 2009, 04:23:42 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on January 20, 2009, 12:32:33 PM


these days there isnt much in the way of interesting or worthwhile discussion on this thread.

I wouldn't worry about the lack of discussion. It's a quite time of the year anyway on the football field, apart from the McKenna cup, which is now no more than glorified trials.

On the managers front, Gary Mason is not continuing his role as a assistant manager for Loughinisland and Paul Rice (aka Rhino) is Gerard's new assistant. Gary is a big loss, but Rhino is a great replacement.

Hey DownFanatic, holding onto to the bitterness will only eat away at your heart. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on January 20, 2009, 04:35:08 PM
Yeah Gary and Gerard had sparked a somewhat unique bond in Luoghinisland which led to positive displays from the players, i just hope this doesn't lead to negatives responses from the players, but best of luck to Paul And Gary for the upcoming season !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on January 20, 2009, 04:38:05 PM
Quote from: Off The Fence on January 20, 2009, 04:09:56 PM
Is he not attending UUJ?
Quote from: Dulaney on January 20, 2009, 03:59:50 PM
New Mayobridge manager is reported to be Paul Carroll.....Don't no a bit lot about the man but i know he took the bridge back in the mid nineties just before the likes of Benny and Mickey Walsh etc, came on the scene!! haven't heard any negative reports about the decision so im sure the bridge are happy he is the man for the job!! Amallon or any of the other bridge posters can u confirm this, as has been reported recently, i don't want to appear to be reporting hear'say

Paul Carroll former Carrickcruppen/Whitecross manager?

Surely not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 20, 2009, 06:39:20 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on January 20, 2009, 04:23:42 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on January 20, 2009, 12:32:33 PM


these days there isnt much in the way of interesting or worthwhile discussion on this thread.

I wouldn't worry about the lack of discussion. It's a quite time of the year anyway on the football field, apart from the McKenna cup, which is now no more than glorified trials.

On the managers front, Gary Mason is not continuing his role as a assistant manager for Loughinisland and Paul Rice (aka Rhino) is Gerard's new assistant. Gary is a big loss, but Rhino is a great replacement.

Hey DownFanatic, holding onto to the bitterness will only eat away at your heart.  

;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 20, 2009, 07:10:22 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 20, 2009, 02:09:32 PM
Im intrigued about the situation of the young lad Aaron Somers who has been called up to the Down U-21 panel. He is listed as a Tir Chonnail Gaels (London) player. Now, Id think it would be highly unlikely that he is going to be flying back and forth from London for training and matches. Im guessing here that he is now residing back in Down? If so it will be interesting to see whether he takes up with a club here and transfers.

I know a club in the East Down area who have a proud record in welcoming in players from other clubs and young Somers could do a lot worse than offer his services in their direction  ;D

ayh, I was wondering that myself DF, where is the Da from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 20, 2009, 07:23:03 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 20, 2009, 07:10:22 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 20, 2009, 02:09:32 PM
Im intrigued about the situation of the young lad Aaron Somers who has been called up to the Down U-21 panel. He is listed as a Tir Chonnail Gaels (London) player. Now, Id think it would be highly unlikely that he is going to be flying back and forth from London for training and matches. Im guessing here that he is now residing back in Down? If so it will be interesting to see whether he takes up with a club here and transfers.

I know a club in the East Down area who have a proud record in welcoming in players from other clubs and young Somers could do a lot worse than offer his services in their direction  ;D

ayh, I was wondering that myself DF, where is the Da from?

Somebody a few pages back said that your boy Somers da was from Drumaness. Logically, if he was back living in that area he would be playing for them but Drumaness is also in Loughinisland's catchment area so you wouldn't know who he would end up opting for  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 20, 2009, 08:48:32 PM
His da was Maurice Sommers that played for the Drumaness and Down minors and U.21's (I think).  He was a right big lad and a tough bit of stuff.  He must have left shortly after this and went to London.

Is the lad back home now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mattockranger on January 21, 2009, 09:19:38 AM
Any reports from the down louth U21 game last night??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 21, 2009, 11:53:08 AM
Quote from: Uladh on January 20, 2009, 04:38:05 PM
Quote from: Off The Fence on January 20, 2009, 04:09:56 PM
Is he not attending UUJ?
Quote from: Dulaney on January 20, 2009, 03:59:50 PM
New Mayobridge manager is reported to be Paul Carroll.....Don't no a bit lot about the man but i know he took the bridge back in the mid nineties just before the likes of Benny and Mickey Walsh etc, came on the scene!! haven't heard any negative reports about the decision so im sure the bridge are happy he is the man for the job!! Amallon or any of the other bridge posters can u confirm this, as has been reported recently, i don't want to appear to be reporting hear'say

Paul Carroll former Carrickcruppen/Whitecross manager?

Surely not


Well Uladh, what do you know about this man? He did manage the bridge in the mid nineties, done quite well with them too!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 21, 2009, 03:05:50 PM
Bridge lad, surely the Mayobridge team of 12 years ago bears little or no resemblance to the team today.

I'm sure there was little pressure to do well then compared to the expectation of winning Ulster now, which is expected of all recent Mayobridge managers and lack of success at this level has cost many of them their jobs.

Mayobridge are an outstanding team in Down and there is little to touch them but I thought they would have gone for a manager with a successful track record and not someone who managed Whitecross to the Armagh Intermediate Championship in 2007!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 21, 2009, 09:42:56 PM
Quote from: mattockranger on January 21, 2009, 09:19:38 AM
Any reports from the down louth U21 game last night??
The final score?  Anyone know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on January 21, 2009, 10:34:43 PM
i would also question this desicion of the new mayobridge manager. Surely they could have got a man with a better rep than than carroll? Especially when i heard some of the names that were in for that job.. Ill admit i dont know much about him, but on very first impressions, it seems its a huge step up.. From managing whitecross and apparently carrickcruppin (???), to manage the bridge...hard to know i suppose..makes it interesting for the rest of us though!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 21, 2009, 10:45:02 PM
Mickey Donnelly had little experience or reputation before he came to the bridge and won two down titles, but agree Ulster is the Bridges' aim. Believe it or not not many managers available at the moment. I'l tell ya something he is a brave man, coming into a job like this! But we'll give him time to see what he does.  ;) ;)
i think he'll be good for the job. Wait and see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on January 22, 2009, 09:57:11 AM
Any Word on when the Down Minors will start to get together?
I've been trying to think of a team and have a fair idea of all the defenders and attackers but any word on the possible goalkeepers?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mattockranger on January 22, 2009, 11:07:38 AM
Quote from: western exile on January 21, 2009, 09:42:56 PM
Quote from: mattockranger on January 21, 2009, 09:19:38 AM
Any reports from the down louth U21 game last night??
The final score?  Anyone know?

Louth under21's won the other night thanks for the help lads..... ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uladh on January 22, 2009, 11:29:25 AM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on January 21, 2009, 10:45:02 PM
Mickey Donnelly had little experience or reputation before he came to the bridge and won two down titles, but agree Ulster is the Bridges' aim. Believe it or not not many managers available at the moment. I'l tell ya something he is a brave man, coming into a job like this! But we'll give him time to see what he does.  ;) ;)
i think he'll be good for the job. Wait and see.

Based on what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on January 22, 2009, 03:41:27 PM
you lads any news on starting team 2night?  who would you like to see starting?

on the bridge management position, i would have thought they would have got some one more high profile, but we will have to wait and see.  he faces a big challenge to get the bridge back to the ulster final again, which will be their ultimate goal as they are becoming the dominant force in down football over last few years and will want make the step up. 

burren could pose a threat this year in down i feel, though thought that last year.  impressed me against kilcoo but lost the bottle against l'sland.barton staying a bt of continuity at the club, will know the players setup etc better this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 22, 2009, 04:56:51 PM
I see theres an advertisement in the Irish News from an ambitious South Down club seeking a Coaching Development Officer,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blowinharp:-) on January 22, 2009, 05:39:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 19, 2009, 09:40:15 PM
Some of the stories on here are absurd. Plainly absurd. Down GAA is like one giant Chinese whisper.

just take note tonight who is on the field and the bench 'thewobbler' i know my info is not a whisper. see you there  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 22, 2009, 05:41:24 PM
DEFENDING champions Down will be without

centre half-back Louis Sloan for tonight's Gaelic Life Dr McKenna Cup semi-final clash with Queen's at Pairc Esler, Newry.

The Attical man picked up a shoulder injury in training last weekend and Down manager Ross Carr is reluctant to risk him with the National Football League in the offing.

Sloan aside, Carr has a full squad to pick from as he prepares to take on the in-form students who finished top of Section C, chalking up wins against Antrim and Cavan and losing only narrowly to Armagh.

Carr makes no secret of the fact that the McKenna Cup is a competition Down want to win and, given the lean times the Mournemen have endured since 1994's All-Ireland triumph, that is understandable.

"It's a game we want to win," said the Clonduff man.

"Different counties are at different stages of preparation. Armagh and Tyrone know they are going to be playing football in August, we're not at that stage yet.

"We haven't had great success in Down over the last 15 years, so, when the chance of winning

something comes along, we want to give it our best shot."

Queen's success this year has come as no surprise to Carr whose side will be grateful for home advantage tonight.

"At the outset of the competition, I was confident that at least one university side would reach the semi-finals, purely because of their levels of fitness," he said.

"They're right in the middle of their season and the way they've performed this year has shown they're a match for county teams.

"I saw them against Cavan and I was very impressed and, by all accounts, they were very unlucky to lose to Armagh.

"We probably got the toughest semi-final opponent, but we're really just concerned about our own preparation."

One of the key factors in tonight's game will be how Down deal with Queen's marauding midfielder, Charlie Vernon, who showed superb form in the group stage.

However, Carr is confident that his midfield pairing of Joe Ireland and Jackie Lynch can handle Vernon and provide the platform for another final appearance for Down.

He has been encouraged by the never-say-die attitude his side showed on the way to topping Section C with wins over Tyrone and St Mary's sandwiching a loss to Monaghan.

"It's all about getting everybody game-time at this stage and getting them to play for 70 minutes," he said.

"There's no better example of that than against Monaghan (Down lost 1-12 to 1-9). We were

totally outplayed all over the pitch, but we hung in there and, in the last 10 minutes, we got a few scores that got us through to the semi-finals on scoring average.

"That pleased me more than beating Tyrone."

A win tonight will mean some welcome fixture congestion for the Down manager and his players – the final is just 48 hours later.

"We hope to be playing again on Saturday night, it's as simple as that," said Carr.

It may be "only" the McKenna Cup to some, but it will mean the world to Down if they can win it again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 22, 2009, 06:48:39 PM
Hot news on the belfast bangor train. Young somers joining breda.
Title: down update
Post by: goldenyears on January 22, 2009, 08:15:27 PM
8-8 half time down missed 2 goal chances good open game, am told by mate at the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 22, 2009, 09:05:20 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 22, 2009, 06:48:39 PM
Hot news on the belfast bangor train. Young somers joining breda.
Since he in now in his first year at UUJ, he was always most likely to transfer to either Bredagh or Carryduff, just for ease of travel etc.
London's loss is Down's gain  8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 22, 2009, 09:11:12 PM
Quote from: western exile on January 22, 2009, 09:05:20 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 22, 2009, 06:48:39 PM
Hot news on the belfast bangor train. Young somers joining breda.
Since he in now in his first year at UUJ, he was always most likely to transfer to either Bredagh or Carryduff, just for ease of travel etc.
London's loss is Down's gain  8)



I suppose thats fair enough.  Is Bredagh or Carryduff closer to London, to lessen his journey times?   :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 22, 2009, 09:31:02 PM
Quote from: imagine on January 22, 2009, 07:59:20 PM
The few times I travelled on this I don't think Gaa talk would have been high on the agenda.
I'd be afraid to open my mouth never mind -it's like the a train journey to hell with a lot of low-lifes.
Who is this Somers?

Ye're not talkin to the right people imagine,regular hotbed of the gaa thon train, sure if ye're lucky ye may even get your ticket punched by st pauls' BIGGEST star.

Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 22, 2009, 09:11:12 PM
Quote from: western exile on January 22, 2009, 09:05:20 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 22, 2009, 06:48:39 PM
Hot news on the belfast bangor train. Young somers joining breda.
Since he in now in his first year at UUJ, he was always most likely to transfer to either Bredagh or Carryduff, just for ease of travel etc.
London's loss is Down's gain  8)



I suppose thats fair enough.  Is Bredagh or Carryduff closer to London, to lessen his journey times?   :P

While technically breda is closer than Carryduff to London (via GBA) st pauls is closest but probably has enough itinerants in their team already.

Somers was an unused sub for tir connaill gaels v Corofin last sunday but free to transfer now they're out of the club championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 22, 2009, 09:50:18 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 22, 2009, 09:31:02 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 22, 2009, 09:11:12 PM
Quote from: western exile on January 22, 2009, 09:05:20 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 22, 2009, 06:48:39 PM
Hot news on the belfast bangor train. Young somers joining breda.
Since he in now in his first year at UUJ, he was always most likely to transfer to either Bredagh or Carryduff, just for ease of travel etc.
London's loss is Down's gain  8)



I suppose thats fair enough.  Is Bredagh or Carryduff closer to London, to lessen his journey times?   :P

While technically breda is closer than Carryduff to London (via GBA) st pauls is closest but probably has enough itinerants in their team already.

Somers was an unused sub for tir connaill gaels v Corofin last sunday but free to transfer now they're out of the club championship.
Interesting take on the "ease of travel" comment  ;D
Of course, what I meant was that, if a fella was transferring from Tir Connell Gaels in London because the was now living in Ireland and attending UUJ,  it would be easier for him to attend training etc. on a regular basis if he choose a club closer to Belfast than Newry....  So Bredagh would be the handiest for him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 22, 2009, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: mattockranger on January 22, 2009, 11:07:38 AM
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Any reports from the down louth U21 game last night??
The final score?  Anyone know?

Louth under21's won the other night thanks for the help lads..... ::)

By much, mr?  Looks like not many Down posters at that game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 22, 2009, 10:10:56 PM
Quote from: western exile on January 22, 2009, 09:50:18 PM
Quote from: passedit on January 22, 2009, 09:31:02 PM
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Hot news on the belfast bangor train. Young somers joining breda.
Since he in now in his first year at UUJ, he was always most likely to transfer to either Bredagh or Carryduff, just for ease of travel etc.
London's loss is Down's gain  8)



I suppose thats fair enough.  Is Bredagh or Carryduff closer to London, to lessen his journey times?   :P

While technically breda is closer than Carryduff to London (via GBA) st pauls is closest but probably has enough itinerants in their team already.

Somers was an unused sub for tir connaill gaels v Corofin last sunday but free to transfer now they're out of the club championship.
Interesting take on the "ease of travel" comment  ;D
Of course, what I meant was that, if a fella was transferring from Tir Connell Gaels in London because the was now living in Ireland and attending UUJ,  it would be easier for him to attend training etc. on a regular basis if he choose a club closer to Belfast than Newry....  So Bredagh would be the handiest for him

I know what you meant - just taking the piss.   ;D

Is he any good?  At the minute Down have an abundance of decent keepers but no one seems to stand out.  If I were to honest, with respect to Mickey Mc Veigh, I don't think anyone has come close to Neil Collins in recent times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 22, 2009, 10:30:32 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 22, 2009, 10:10:56 PM
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Is he any good?  At the minute Down have an abundance of decent keepers but no one seems to stand out.  If I were to honest, with respect to Mickey Mc Veigh, I don't think anyone has come close to Neil Collins in recent times.
I think you are a bit harsh there.  Neil Collins and Mickey McVeigh  were two fine keepers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 22, 2009, 10:45:05 PM
Mc Veigh couldn't lace Neil Collins boots.  No comparison whatsoever.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2009, 11:40:27 PM
Down have been fortunate with keepers over the years, and we could even allow Pat Jennings to leave Shamrocks and play foreign games. Collins was one of the best, but anyone who dismisses McVeigh, who played for Down for over 12 seasons, as well as representing his province and his country, knows very little about football.

Anyway, it was disappointing fare from us in Newry tonight and much of the optimism of the Tyrone match has faded pretty quickly. We were fairly ordinary, and Queen's were able to find space and time with considerable ease.

At the back, McKernan and Carr did not look comfortable down the middle. We probably still need a commanding figure in there, but it is hard to say where he will be found. The rest of the defence were OK but nothing special.

Jackie had his moments at midfield but got caught out of position on occasions and was the first to be replaced. While Ireland worked hard, he was not as strong or as fast as the very impressive Vernon.

Fegan was our best on the night by a distance, which is not something many would have predicted after his efforts last summer - especially against Wexford. However, he seems to have bulked up, he gets up and down the field tirelessly and he can take a score.
Sexton buzzes around, but it is difficult to see him as a CHF, and he missed an open goal by trying to volley rather than punch into an empty net at a crucial time. Kearney worked hard when he was switched to midfield but did not really hurt the opposition.

Benny produced a couple of fantastic passes without being close to his best, Hughes was good in the first half but faded seriously after the break and Cathal Magee scored his third goal of the competition but missed an easier one and should have been taken off earlier.

The only real bonus of the night for Down was Fitzpatrick, who came off the bench to kick two fine points and shaved the post with a third effort. Michael Magee hit a decent free when he came on but did not do much else, while Murtagh looked in reasonable shape during a brief appearance.

We can at least be satisfied that Howard did a decent job on Benny in the first half and an even better one on Hughes in the second, but we still have a long way to go.

I think it may have been the first match we have lost under lights at the Marshes. We did get beaten against Meath in the qualifiers of 2007 but my memory is that it was a bright summer's evening. Onwards and upwards.



 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 22, 2009, 11:59:06 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2009, 11:40:27 PM
Down have been fortunate with keepers over the years, and we could even allow Pat Jennings to leave Shamrocks and play foreign games. Collins was one of the best, but anyone who dismisses McVeigh, who played for Down for over 12 seasons, as well as representing his province and his country, knows very little about football.

Anyway, it was disappointing fare from us in Newry tonight and much of the optimism of the Tyrone match has faded pretty quickly. We were fairly ordinary, and Queen's were able to find space and time with considerable ease.

At the back, McKernan and Carr did not look comfortable down the middle. We probably still need a commanding figure in there, but it is hard to say where he will be found. The rest of the defence were OK but nothing special.

Jackie had his moments at midfield but got caught out of position on occasions and was the first to be replaced. While Ireland worked hard, he was not as strong or as fast as the very impressive Vernon.

Fegan was our best on the night by a distance, which is not something many would have predicted after his efforts last summer - especially against Wexford. However, he seems to have bulked up, he gets up and down the field tirelessly and he can take a score.
Sexton buzzes around, but it is difficult to see him as a CHF, and he missed an open goal by trying to volley rather than punch into an empty net at a crucial time. Kearney worked hard when he was switched to midfield but did not really hurt the opposition.

Benny produced a couple of fantastic passes without being close to his best, Hughes was good in the first half but faded seriously after the break and Cathal Magee scored his third goal of the competition but missed an easier one and should have been taken off earlier.

The only real bonus of the night for Down was Fitzpatrick, who came off the bench to kick two fine points and shaved the post with a third effort. Michael Magee hit a decent free when he came on but did not do much else, while Murtagh looked in reasonable shape during a brief appearance.

We can at least be satisfied that Howard did a decent job on Benny in the first half and an even better one on Hughes in the second, but we still have a long way to go.

I think it may have been the first match we have lost under lights at the Marshes. We did get beaten against Meath in the qualifiers of 2007 but my memory is that it was a bright summer's evening. Onwards and upwards.



 

Right - thanks.

So I'm not entitled to my view and according to you, I know nothing about football.

Mc Veigh was a favouite of Mc Grath's, committed and a non-drinker, which helped his career for Down and Ireland.  He had a great booming kickout and was a very good shot stopper but throw him a high ball and he shit himself.  Collins was the real deal, had the temperament for the big games which brought out the best in him.  Outstanding

I have nothing against Mc Veigh but feel he never commanded the defence the way Collins, or even Slim for that matter, did.  We still have not replaced Collins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 23, 2009, 12:14:46 AM
Keepers:
Slim was the best we have had since McKay - just came into the team at the wrong time.
Alder is miles best by far in the county in recent years but somehow doesn't fit with the management.

QUB: There must have been a different John Fegan on the pitch from what I saw tonight (and in all recent matches). If he was from Clonallon instead of Clonduff he wouldn't even be handing out the jersies. Get real.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 23, 2009, 12:24:03 AM
Wobbler, I have not seen Somers play but I believe he is well regarded. As a guy who has only ever been involved in club football in London, he has certainly impressed Pete McGrath to get into the u21 squad.  I think he may have another two years at that level as he is apparently a fresher at Jordanstown. If he really is going to join Bredagh, he will be worth watching.

OYEM, Collins was a fine keeper who played behind the likes of Higgins, Deegan, Magill, Kane and Breen, who all won All Stars, and O'Rourke and Burns, who were just as good. McVeigh had to cope with some pretty dreadful Down defences (not even a single All Star nomination in his time) and was still good enough to represent Ireland. You are entitled to your opinion, but very few Down supporters who have suffered through the last 14 seasons, and know who saved us from some far worse beatings, will agree with you.

Leo, I agree with you about big Slim, and I have previously suggested on this board that Alder should be given at least a chance. He also puts over his 45s, which we could not do last night. However, Fegan was everywhere against QUB, offering himself for passes and taking on the opposition. I don't know about the championship, but I will be amazed if he is not a regular at the start of the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 23, 2009, 12:32:38 AM
Mourne,
your posts are always worth reading but I cannot get this Feagn issue at all. He looked like a lumberjack in a ballet competition, slow beyond belief, nice little jink to the left and right back into trouble again. And the delivery is so slow, Royal Mail would employ him. If he was from , say Longstone, which might be close to your heart, he wouldnt be in the panel, even for the McKenna Cup.
We are looking for DOWN COUNTY FOOTBALLERS here.
No.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 23, 2009, 12:34:51 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 23, 2009, 12:24:03 AM
Wobbler, I have not seen Somers play but I believe he is well regarded. As a guy who has only ever been involved in club football in London, he has certainly impressed Pete McGrath to get into the u21 squad.  I think he may have another two years at that level as he is apparently a fresher at Jordanstown. If he really is going to join Bredagh, he will be worth watching.

OYEM, Collins was a fine keeper who played behind the likes of Higgins, Deegan, Magill, Kane and Breen, who all won All Stars, and O'Rourke and Burns, who were just as good. McVeigh had to cope with some pretty dreadful Down defences (not even a single All Star nomination in his time) and was still good enough to represent Ireland. You are entitled to your opinion, but very few Down supporters who have suffered through the last 14 seasons, and know who saved us from some far worse beatings, will agree with you.

Leo, I agree with you about big Slim, and I have previously suggested on this board that Alder should be given at least a chance. He also puts over his 45s, which we could not do last night. However, Fegan was everywhere against QUB, offering himself for passes and taking on the opposition. I don't know about the championship, but I will be amazed if he is not a regular at the start of the league.

Yes, Alder is another good keeper but to suggest that one of his attributes is 'putting over 50's' really wouldn't be one of my priorities, for a keeper anyway. Aidan Carr is an excellent free taker and I would prefer if the goalkeeper looked after the immediate area in front of him rather than getting carried away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 23, 2009, 12:38:35 AM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 23, 2009, 12:34:51 AM


Yes, Alder is another good keeper but to suggest that one of his attributes is 'putting over 50's' really wouldn't be one of my priorities, for a keeper anyway. Aidan Carr is an excellent free taker and I would prefer if the goalkeeper looked after the immediate area in front of him rather than getting carried away.

Agree 100%.
The fact is Alder is huge, built like a sh**house and commands the area like no other keepr in the county. My point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 23, 2009, 09:03:54 AM
i doubt Alder has the temperment of a top class intercounty Goalkeeper. He is prone to odd rush of blood to the head and can be a bit of a loose canon too. Not for me anyway.

Brendie Mc Veigh has to be No1 and should be for a good few years to come with Mickey Mc Allister right behind him.

anyone care to take a stab at the final panel that will play NFL then, how many have to be cut etc?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on January 23, 2009, 02:02:49 PM
I don't think the goal keeping position is of particular concern at present, but with the McKenna cup finishing of last night how do you all rate our chances for the league?

Doyle,Gordan,Ambrose,McComiskey


The injury list and lack of form from some players certainly mean promtion from Div3 is gonna be as tough as last years attempt. A lot of the players looked stale and sluggish last night although this could be put down to a heavy training regime at present along with the fact that Queens are in great shape at present.

Midfield was poor last night but played well enough in the other matches to justify a starting spot against Tipp unless of course Colgan is available.
The defence is still a sore point but young Garvey looks a good addition, whilst Davey is maybe a wee bit inexperienced and attack minded for my liking. The lack of height in the full back line is still a concern although Cole, Howard and Rafferty are all good man markers, I think McKernan is a super talent but not the answer at full back.
As for the half forwards it looks like Hughes, Sexton and Fegan will get the nod here, although its my personal opinion that none of them bar (maybe) Hughes should be on the team come the championship.
At full forward Benny is looking sharp but still needs some help up there, Cathal Magee whether you put it down to him being young or inexperienced certainly is'nt the answer. He seems to panic more often than not when in pocession or even before. I would like to see Murtagh and Benny in the full forward line together - both are natural full forwards that play with bursts of speed and power and can score. Michael Magee is raw but should get a go because he is a decent left footed free taker.

The above is bearing in mind that Doyle,Turley,Ambrose,McComiskey,Murphy,Gordan won't make the start of the league, whilst Walsh,Clarke and Dan McCartan are all ommitted for it appears none footballing reasons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on January 23, 2009, 05:04:57 PM
It must be getting near time Down stopped changing personnel and demanding the players train 8 nights a week and get dropped from the panel if they can't make 1 training session.  That is just a joke.  No one can tell me that Down do not have as least as good forwards as Penrose, McCullough, Tommy McGuigan playing for Tyrone or that Benny couldn't be as effective as Sean Cavanagh in full forward.  They need to play smarter not necessarily assume some new player will solve all the problems.

Against Wexford last year they played 2 up front and hoofed the ball up to them every so often, Wexford just put an extra defender in front that mopped every ball up and built another attack.  They need to get there tactics right as well as the personell.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on January 23, 2009, 05:13:06 PM
Wasn't at the game lastnight, but from what Ive been told, they were lucky not to have been beaten by more, we had no midfield last night, Lynch was running around like a headless chicken, i know Colgan suffered a slight dip in from for county last season but surely he's worthy of a recall, if not just for the efforts he put in at the tail end of last season for his own club An Riocht, he was immense. Also, Kevin Mckernan is not a full back, maybe for the national league, try Louis Sloan in there, and maybe even, big colgan. Full-foward line needs a bit of work, Coulter is really showing his worth without really having support i there, him and john Clarke did well in the championship last season, so why not try then again and see where it goes from there? M.Walsh is surely worthy of a wee gamble during the league, and mccomilskey will be back soon too. We need to play the best players in where they are going to play well, thats what you've got to do if your gonna win anything at this level! And playing two me in there and booting the ball in from there own halfback line isint going to work, just need common sense!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 23, 2009, 06:07:46 PM
A truly awful performance last night, which for me displayed a complete lack of managerial nous. You can have the best players in the country, but if you dont know how to deploy or get the best from them, you are not going to succeed. Last night it was clear that we were over training at this stage of this season, there was no coherent strategy,and an abominable lack of competence in basic Ball handling skills. Even if our whole squad were fit and available, i doubt that Ross has an idea what his best team would be, and the trial and error method will continue  ad infinitum. Until we get a settled team which largely picks itself, our barren spell will continue. I would be pessimistic about our prospects of emerging from Div 3. this season, and for a County of our pedigree that is a disgrace
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 23, 2009, 06:15:06 PM
Maiden1 - I couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 23, 2009, 06:17:53 PM
Down peaked far to early this year!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on January 23, 2009, 06:54:06 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on January 23, 2009, 05:13:06 PM
Wasn't at the game lastnight, but from what Ive been told, they were lucky not to have been beaten by more, we had no midfield last night, Lynch was running around like a headless chicken, i know Colgan suffered a slight dip in from for county last season but surely he's worthy of a recall, if not just for the efforts he put in at the tail end of last season for his own club An Riocht, he was immense. Also, Kevin Mckernan is not a full back, maybe for the national league, try Louis Sloan in there, and maybe even, big colgan. Full-foward line needs a bit of work, Coulter is really showing his worth without really having support i there, him and john Clarke did well in the championship last season, so why not try then again and see where it goes from there? M.Walsh is surely worthy of a wee gamble during the league, and mccomilskey will be back soon too. We need to play the best players in where they are going to play well, thats what you've got to do if your gonna win anything at this level! And playing two me in there and booting the ball in from there own halfback line isint going to work, just need common sense!

your hardly from an riocht ned.. colgan has been living off his reputation from minor simply hasnt produced at county level or even sigerson level.  yourvery quick to criticise big jack for someone who wasnt at the game...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on January 23, 2009, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on January 23, 2009, 05:13:06 PM
Wasn't at the game lastnight, but from what Ive been told, they were lucky not to have been beaten by more, we had no midfield last night, Lynch was running around like a headless chicken, i know Colgan suffered a slight dip in from for county last season but surely he's worthy of a recall, if not just for the efforts he put in at the tail end of last season for his own club An Riocht, he was immense. Also, Kevin Mckernan is not a full back, maybe for the national league, try Louis Sloan in there, and maybe even, big colgan. Full-foward line needs a bit of work, Coulter is really showing his worth without really having support i there, him and john Clarke did well in the championship last season, so why not try then again and see where it goes from there? M.Walsh is surely worthy of a wee gamble during the league, and mccomilskey will be back soon too. We need to play the best players in where they are going to play well, thats what you've got to do if your gonna win anything at this level! And playing two me in there and booting the ball in from there own halfback line isint going to work, just need common sense!
How the hell can you make a comment like that about how Jack Lynch played when you wern't at the game, I just wish that a few more of the players on the field last night had put in the same effort as Jack did last night, he may not be the most skilful player on show but at least he'll let his opponent know he's there & not go hiding when we need men on the field instead of boy's with nice hair do's.
Just before you ask I am not from Drumgath but I am an admirer of any player who shows true guts & determination & has a bit of pride in wearing the Red & Black!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on January 23, 2009, 06:59:27 PM
Would certainly have to echo the sentiments of mournerambler and charlie stubbs, in that i cant understand how anyone can make the comments that have been made against jacky lynch when that person didnt even attend the game. Words escape me, but arsehole comes to mind, ned !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on January 23, 2009, 08:43:36 PM
Totally agree Lynch is being made a scapegoat for other players shortcomings!!
He isn't the best on the ball but he seems to know that. If there is a 5 yard pass on he gives it but too many times last night he wasn't given any options.
Ireland went AWOL. For guy a lot of people on this board were talking up as next big thing he done nothing, was happy to kick his usual early point then dissapeared.
We are a one trick pony & everyone in the country has copped on. Get it lump it in on top of Benny & pray for a goal!!
Why give high ball when he was devastating against Tyrone with good low ball in space that allowed him to turn & take on the man?
To many of our "seasoned performers" simply didn't show up last night. McKernan, Carr, Sexton, Kearney all brutal!

Also think Cathal Magee proved last night he's definitely not good enough. Dropped ball constantly, fumbled passes & missed several chances.
Would Ronan Murtagh not be an option at 14?? Maybe Wobbler could correct me but is that not were he is best at club level?
Carr seems to be grooming him at 11 but I honestly don't think he's the answer there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on January 23, 2009, 08:52:03 PM
Did anybody else hear DJ putting an over critical (in DJ's view) Down supporter in his box last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 23, 2009, 10:21:57 PM
Leo, I did not suggest Fegan was the answer to all our problems, just that he was our best player last night - which admittedly was not saying much. We need wing forwards who can get back to help a defence which is plainly still not coping. Fegan had the pace and fitness to do that, and he has obviously worked very hard on his conditioning and his all-round game since last summer, when he was poor. If the rest of our forwards improve as much as he has, we will be in a much better position overall. I doubt if he will start in the championship, but he deserves a run in the league. It is all about competition for places.

While I expect Lynch to feature in the league as well, he was off the pace last night and, for all his huge commitment, it is doubtful if he has the speed of thought for championship football.

It is likely that we read a little too much into the Tyrone win and we are also probably being overcritical of last night's performance. We were fitter than Tyrone and Queen's were fitter than us. When things level out in the league, we can make better judgments. However, it is hard to believe that we can do without Clarke. Getting him back, and bringing in the injured players when they are ready, has to be the priority.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on January 24, 2009, 12:10:41 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on January 23, 2009, 08:52:03 PM
Did anybody else hear DJ putting an over critical (in DJ's view) Down supporter in his box last night?

typical dj! he's a lunatic, with the personality of a p*g!!
his exhibition last night, reminded me of that day in crossmaglen where he made a go at an official- just because he didnt agree with a decision that was given. come to think of it, he did the same thing in louth before that.... lead by example hey!

the fan got rather excited and shouted in frustration, like most of us at any game. but dj hasnt the bottle for those type of situations. he spent the second half at the far side of the field, he'd have made more of addition by jumping the wire and heading home!!

howards performance last night was excellent, im looking forward to his return to county colours.
big jackie, everyone would like to see him do well but he just hasnt got it at county level.
the ball supply to the forward line was poor- beni is expected to work miracles.
vernon dictated the game, he's fierce strong and until we find players that can dictate a game like that were going nowhere!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 24, 2009, 12:23:08 AM
Quote from: guevara on January 23, 2009, 08:43:36 PM
Totally agree Lynch is being made a scapegoat for other players shortcomings!!
He isn't the best on the ball but he seems to know that. If there is a 5 yard pass on he gives it but too many times last night he wasn't given any options.
Ireland went AWOL. For guy a lot of people on this board were talking up as next big thing he done nothing, was happy to kick his usual early point then dissapeared.
We are a one trick pony & everyone in the country has copped on. Get it lump it in on top of Benny & pray for a goal!!
Why give high ball when he was devastating against Tyrone with good low ball in space that allowed him to turn & take on the man?
To many of our "seasoned performers" simply didn't show up last night. McKernan, Carr, Sexton, Kearney all brutal!

Also think Cathal Magee proved last night he's definitely not good enough. Dropped ball constantly, fumbled passes & missed several chances.
Would Ronan Murtagh not be an option at 14?? Maybe Wobbler could correct me but is that not were he is best at club level?
Carr seems to be grooming him at 11 but I honestly don't think he's the answer there.

As our friend from Kilclief said earlier in this thread Murtagh is probably the most devastating forward in Down club football....however without making excuses he hasnt found a settled role in the county senior team...he has been played at full forward, corner forward, half forward, half back.......he has been effective in all these roles at certain stages...remember Breffni Park when he got us out of jail....he needs a run....pref at corner forward... I would say he would feed off Benny perfectly....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on January 24, 2009, 01:16:09 AM
Prove It
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 24, 2009, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 23, 2009, 06:17:53 PM
Down peaked far to early this year!!!!!!

Bit of a rash statemen after a mere four games. Theres a lot of football to be played yet. last year a lot of yous got excited after winning the Mc Kenna cup which led to the Pulp Fiction line not to be sucking each others c@@ks just yet and it proved accuracte enough. At the same time after a couple of poor performances I wouldn't go kicking each other n the bo@@@cks just yet either.
Who is proving what NF?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on January 24, 2009, 03:12:21 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 22, 2009, 10:45:05 PM
Mc Veigh couldn't lace Neil Collins boots.  No comparison whatsoever.

Sorry but you're having a laugh!  Mickey was not lucky enough to play on all ireland winning teams.  Collins was lucky in that sense.  He was an excellent  shot stopper (ask Charlie redmond, terrible penalty though) but he had a terrible kick out.  There were other keepers IMHO who were better in that era.  Mickey was only a young 'un but a very good 'un then, Neil Patterson was excellent as was Eamon Connolly, Paddy Kielty and Declan Murdock.  Collins just got the break.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 24, 2009, 04:16:57 PM
Thought Down where awful on thur against Queens. Its time our two childish and biased managers wised up. DJ acting an ejit again. he is an embarrasment. Their favourtism on panel selection is not for the good of Down football. Jackie is heavily critisised but its not his fault, the management could have changed him of vernon before taking him off. The lad gives his all but is simply not an inter county midfielder. Aidan Carr (Captain on Thur in only his third inter county season) should have been replaced. he was roasted by conor maginn, a Down under 21 player. McKernan also not the answer at full back even though a very good player. Fegan and Kearney only get on the ball when defenders stand off them, we need wing half forwards to put their head in for break balls not hide on the wings. Sexton worked hard as usual but as i said before no end product. Missed 2 sitters and Magee took the wrong options for 2 more goal chances. its time for John Clarke, Michael Walsh, Mark Poland, Conor Laverty, Mark Doran, James McGovern, James Colgan and Sean Parr to get called up. its footballers we need, not big players with limited skill and brains. Benny McArdle and Howard played well for Queens along with Maginn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 24, 2009, 04:36:26 PM
My Championship team: 1, B McVeigh 2 L Howard 3 J Colgan 4 D Rafferty 5 A Carr 6 L Doyle 7 P Murphy 8 D Gordan 9 A Rodgers, 10 J Clarke 11 M Walsh 12 B Coulter 13 D Hughes 14 R Murtagh 15 P McComiskey.
16 M McAllister 17 M Cole 18 C Garvey 19 C Murney 20 E McCartan 21 K McKernan 22 D Rooney 23 R Sexton 24 M Poland 25 M Doran 26 C Laverty 27 J McGovern 28 P Fitzpatrick 29 B McArdle 30 S Parr.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 24, 2009, 04:45:37 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 24, 2009, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 23, 2009, 06:17:53 PM
Down peaked far to early this year!!!!!!

Bit of a rash statemen after a mere four games. Theres a lot of football to be played yet. last year a lot of yous got excited after winning the Mc Kenna cup which led to the Pulp Fiction line not to be sucking each others c@@ks just yet and it proved accuracte enough. At the same time after a couple of poor performances I wouldn't go kicking each other n the bo@@@cks just yet either.
Who is proving what NF?

:D can't believe someone thought i was serious.  it was meant to be a joke :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on January 24, 2009, 08:34:14 PM
I think Ross should look for another number 2. think dj is not the man, his actions along the line on thursday night were disgracefull, the days of shouting and screaming at players ie (bully type tatics) are gone, todays players like the arm round the shoulder, telling them what is going wrong and how to put it right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on January 24, 2009, 08:41:20 PM
Finally, someone who has a bita sense (Mid Down Geal), about time someone had the same veiws i had!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 24, 2009, 08:47:50 PM
Quote from: too long ref on January 24, 2009, 08:34:14 PM
I think Ross should look for another number 2. think dj is not the man, his actions along the line on thursday night were disgracefull, the days of shouting and screaming at players ie (bully type tatics) are gone, todays players like the arm round the shoulder, telling them what is going wrong and how to put it right.

Catch a grip of yourself--with a first post like that.
Yes that approach is great.So if we start doing this hugging and all  that,we may win an Ulster Championship or more this year after 15 years in the wilderness.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 24, 2009, 10:13:00 PM
After we win our section in the McKenna Cup and lose in the semi (in January), someone thinks we should sack half of our management team. Moving back to planet Earth, Mid Down Gael has at least given us a selection to talk about. It has a few problems though, particularly placing Colgan at full back where he has made clear he does not want to play and his lack of pace would be exploited. Leaving Cole, our only consistent defender over the last five years, on the bench makes even less sense, as does totally omitting Turley, who did reasonably well at full back in the summer and is due to return to the panel soon.

Clarke fairly obviously has to return, but the difficulty about including Walsh, Poland, Laverty, Doran and McGovern is that they have all been tried over recent seasons and have made very little impact. If Walsh could recapture the form of his early 20s, he would be an automatic choice. McGovern is a fine free taker but has so far been able to contribute little from play. Poland, Laverty and Doran are talented but very light. They could not win the ball when they played previously at intercounty level, and that is unlikely to change.Parr was an outstanding underage player, but I have not seen enough of him in recent years to make a call.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 24, 2009, 10:36:42 PM
Mourne Rover, a couple of points.  I'd say Colgan is every bit as quick as Peter Turley, so don't use that against him as full-back.

But, it would seem that neither Colgan or Mickey Walsh is going to feature again under Ross Carr, so we would all be better off not suggesting them for positions. It's a similar story for Mark Doran, who continually got messed around in corner-back, and won't be playing again under the current management.

As for Laverty, Poland, and McGovern, well they're probably as useful as a number of players in contention - but they won't be in contention, not this year anyway. I'd have Laverty ahead of Fegan, Kearney or Sexton myself. He offers a better scoring threat and more pace. But he isn't that much better that it's worth getting in a frenzy over.

So, for all of the above, I suggest we just move on.

As for Sean Parr, let's wait until his club decides what position to play him in before throwing him into county football. He's a very useful player, but Rostrevor are fond of using him as a stopgap wherever needed. With that sort of history, he'd end up a corner-back for Down, found out badly, and ruined as a county player forever.


Realistically, Down's team isn't going to change that much from last year. The question is whether that team can learn to play more as a unit than they did last year, whether they can learn to adapt when teams pose them conundrums. Based on the 70 minutes I saw tonight, Conor Maginn should be drafted in at 11 for the upcoming league campaign. There is a certain common sense and simplicity to his game that has been missing from anyone in a number 11 shirt for Down in recent years. As the creative lead and the central pivot, the centre half-forward ultimately determines the variation of his team. If he always forces the ball in long, others will follow. If he mixes it up, his teammates will follow. This is why I suggested Doyle for 11 earlier this week, as he has a wee bit of everything in his game. It's a very early assessment I know, but it looks like Maginn has a better footballing brain.

Lastly, I don't want to make this personal in any way, for he is extremely committed, and sensible enough on the field to play to his strengths rather than leave his weaknesses out in the open. But anyone who watches club football in Down knows there are least a dozen better options in Down for midfield than Jackie Lynch. This is why he will always end up as a scapegoat when we lose, because although other players are underperforming for their potential, he is playing beyond his level. Finding a replacement of equal or better skill level wouldn't be difficult. Replacing Coulter or Gordon, not so. This is unfortunate for Lynch, but that's life.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 24, 2009, 11:22:55 PM
Ive said it numerous times before on the board that Conor Maginn is more than good enough to be on the county panel. To me, Maginn is a unique talent. He is an excellent ball carrier and to see him in full flight whilst in possession is a great sight. There are so many facets to his game, He is excellent defensively and he has an unbeleivable knack of getting back to an attacking position after carrying out defensive duties.

He is also an excellent forager and winner of break ball. One of his big strengths is emerging from a deep position in possession and setting up attacks. As said previous, he has a very varied passing range. He's very comfortable with the short fist passing game and equally adept at diagonal balls and the like.

Knowing him personally, he is one of those players that holds no fear of any occasion. He has had great experience of playing at centre half forward with his club and Queens and he would be a breath of fresh air. In terms of weaknesses, he wouldn't generally score a lot but his assist play would more than make up this.

Definitely worth a shout.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downcamog on January 24, 2009, 11:47:21 PM
Calm down. Maginn is on the panel!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 24, 2009, 11:48:30 PM
Totally agree with those who wish to see DJ removed from management team, his actions are dragging the Co.into disrepute, will cost us a lot in fines come Summer, and sets a terrible to our youth. Besides all that it is difficult too see what he is contributing, in the light of our woeful defensive record.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 25, 2009, 12:40:33 AM
Maginn looked a fine prospect in last year's u21s and in the McKenna Cup, and, after the Sigerson, he should certainly feature in the league. Size is not everything, but whether he is physically strong enough for a central position is open to question.

Wobbler, I'm not sure if Doran was 'messed about' at corner back.He won an AI minor in that position, but my recollection is that he usually played at wing back at senior level. He has great pace, and carries the ball well out of defence, but he lost out because, like many of our better talents, he on the small size for senior county football.

Laverty is smaller and lighter again, which is a great pity as he has an exceptional football brain. I remember in particular an AI u21 semi final against Dublin at Navan in 05 when he ran the show, but it has not happened for him at senior level. I do not recall him scoring even a single point in a senior jersey, while Sexton, Fegan and Kearney have displayed that they can hit the target fairly regularly.

However, as Wobbler correctly says, these are marginal matters. If we had an established side, which was strong down the middle. we might be able to throw in at least one lighter faster player. We are not in that position, so we need to concentrate on building a team which can cope with the demands of the league and then assess our championship squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 25, 2009, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 24, 2009, 04:45:37 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 24, 2009, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 23, 2009, 06:17:53 PM
Down peaked far to early this year!!!!!!

Bit of a rash statemen after a mere four games. Theres a lot of football to be played yet. last year a lot of yous got excited after winning the Mc Kenna cup which led to the Pulp Fiction line not to be sucking each others c@@ks just yet and it proved accuracte enough. At the same time after a couple of poor performances I wouldn't go kicking each other n the bo@@@cks just yet either.
Who is proving what NF?

:D can't believe someone thought i was serious.  it was meant to be a joke :D

Obviously our senses of humour differ  ;) Well at least leave some sort of indication it was a joke, as it just came accross as a stuiped post 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 25, 2009, 03:02:50 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 25, 2009, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 24, 2009, 04:45:37 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 24, 2009, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 23, 2009, 06:17:53 PM
Down peaked far to early this year!!!!!!

Bit of a rash statemen after a mere four games. Theres a lot of football to be played yet. last year a lot of yous got excited after winning the Mc Kenna cup which led to the Pulp Fiction line not to be sucking each others c@@ks just yet and it proved accuracte enough. At the same time after a couple of poor performances I wouldn't go kicking each other n the bo@@@cks just yet either.
Who is proving what NF?

:D can't believe someone thought i was serious.  it was meant to be a joke :D

Obviously our senses of humour differ  ;) Well at least leave some sort of indication it was a joke, as it just came accross as a stuiped post 

well i didn't think it was needed to leave an indication that it was a joke,  peaking in the second week of january,  think about it man.
Title: Promotion Relegation
Post by: passedit on January 25, 2009, 04:19:10 PM
Seems very sensible to me. Probably the only way to get number reductions past the self interest of clubs. Kudos to the CB, we know you're lurking so well done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on January 25, 2009, 07:14:26 PM
Was at the ED U20 final today in Saul which was very well attended. Good competitive game which Kilcoo lost by a point. St Marys (Liatroim/Dromara) were lucky to come away with their win, living off a few notable displays from their older players. Kilcoo were by far the better team on the day and were denied a victory by some dubious refereing decisions. But fair dues to St Marys, they have won the ED U20s - cant see them having ANY hope at all against Burren who have been waiting for them now for 5 weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on January 25, 2009, 07:28:15 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on January 25, 2009, 07:14:26 PM
Was at the ED U20 final today in Saul which was very well attended. Good competitive game which Kilcoo lost by a point. St Marys (Liatroim/Dromara) were lucky to come away with their win, living off a few notable displays from their older players. Kilcoo were by far the better team on the day and were denied a victory by some dubious refereing decisions. But fair dues to St Marys, they have won the ED U20s - cant see them having ANY hope at all against Burren who have been waiting for them now for 5 weeks.
My God those grapes are a bit sour!!!
we were glad to host the game but the same could have been said of last week's game that RGU/Ardglass were the better team for most of the game but ended up losing due to some dodgy decisions and wayward shooting. Thats the way the cookie crumbles and best of luck to St Mary's who were written off 2/3 weks ago
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 25, 2009, 07:41:40 PM
who won the B?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 25, 2009, 09:46:06 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 25, 2009, 03:02:50 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 25, 2009, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 24, 2009, 04:45:37 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 24, 2009, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 23, 2009, 06:17:53 PM
Down peaked far to early this year!!!!!!

Bit of a rash statemen after a mere four games. Theres a lot of football to be played yet. last year a lot of yous got excited after winning the Mc Kenna cup which led to the Pulp Fiction line not to be sucking each others c@@ks just yet and it proved accuracte enough. At the same time after a couple of poor performances I wouldn't go kicking each other n the bo@@@cks just yet either.
Who is proving what NF?

:D can't believe someone thought i was serious.  it was meant to be a joke :D

Obviously our senses of humour differ  ;) Well at least leave some sort of indication it was a joke, as it just came accross as a stuiped post 

well i didn't think it was needed to leave an indication that it was a joke,  peaking in the second week of january,  think about it man.

Nothing personal but with some of the idiotic comments on this discussion board anything is possible :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on January 25, 2009, 10:11:30 PM
Castlewellan beat Loughinisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 25, 2009, 10:15:27 PM
Its strange the way the u20 finals went, all 4 of the teams in the finals were from the same group. Last years winners Bryansford diddnt even make the B.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 25, 2009, 11:21:05 PM
I see on the Down website that Michael Walsh has opened up his own physio business in Warrenpoint - hope it goes well for him.  Good to see him doing well off the field, since he can't seem to get on it wearing the red and black.

http://www.downgaa.net/ (http://www.downgaa.net/)

Some brutal photos of Paul Murphy and Kevin Bell both wearing togs and supposedly getting treated.   ;)

Other prominent Down sports people are included in the photos but you would think whoever put the report together would know who Máirín Mc Aleenan was - she is definately not Marianne Mc Aleenan as reported in the article.  Very poor indeed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 26, 2009, 12:56:26 AM
What is Kevin Bell at  :o :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on January 26, 2009, 09:30:08 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on January 25, 2009, 07:14:26 PM
Was at the ED U20 final today in Saul which was very well attended. Good competitive game which Kilcoo lost by a point. St Marys (Liatroim/Dromara) were lucky to come away with their win, living off a few notable displays from their older players. Kilcoo were by far the better team on the day and were denied a victory by some dubious refereing decisions. But fair dues to St Marys, they have won the ED U20s - cant see them having ANY hope at all against Burren who have been waiting for them now for 5 weeks.


:D :D :D

ah well, sure at least ye's beat st marys twice the year, just not in the one that counted!! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on January 26, 2009, 09:32:36 AM
That is the wildest looking photo I've ever seen trying to promote a new buisness. Come on down for a rub and a tug.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on January 26, 2009, 10:09:03 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on January 25, 2009, 07:14:26 PM
Was at the ED U20 final today in Saul which was very well attended. Good competitive game which Kilcoo lost by a point. St Marys (Liatroim/Dromara) were lucky to come away with their win, living off a few notable displays from their older players. Kilcoo were by far the better team on the day and were denied a victory by some dubious refereing decisions. But fair dues to St Marys, they have won the ED U20s - cant see them having ANY hope at all against Burren who have been waiting for them now for 5 weeks.

I couldn't disagree more.

I too was at the same game yesterday. St Mary's were the far more physically stronger side and that showed in there performance. The game was 7-5 in favour of St Marys at half time and should have been more only for a crossbar and a bit of wayward shooting. The tackling of the St Marys boys was nothing short of brilliant, and in Daniel McCann at full back, they had an answer to Paul Devlin, who was also excellent.
At the start of the second half Kilcoo came back with 2 points to level the game, and it was game on at this stage, but a 15 minute spell in the second half were St Marys dominated all sectors of the pitch won the game for them. Colm Kelly and Miceal McCartan were fantastic at Midfield and young Ciaran Doyle never stopped running and supporting his team-mates. Kilcoo as expected mounted the come back they always would, and a  few??? dodgy referring decisions almost handed it to them. But St Marys held out, and as they say, the score board never lies!!!

So we'll see come next Sunday against Burren exactly how far they are away, and if they have ANY chance!!! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 26, 2009, 10:33:28 AM
Quote from: hardstation on January 26, 2009, 01:00:22 AM
(http://www.sportsmanager.ie/uploaded/galleries/10_uploaded/Official%20opening%20Mickey%20Walshs%20Physiotherapy%20Clinic%20in%20Warrenpoint.jpg)

:D

That's one of the funniest photos I've ever seen.


looks like Kevin Bell is about to give birth :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 26, 2009, 12:56:56 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on January 26, 2009, 10:09:03 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on January 25, 2009, 07:14:26 PM
Was at the ED U20 final today in Saul which was very well attended. Good competitive game which Kilcoo lost by a point. St Marys (Liatroim/Dromara) were lucky to come away with their win, living off a few notable displays from their older players. Kilcoo were by far the better team on the day and were denied a victory by some dubious refereing decisions. But fair dues to St Marys, they have won the ED U20s - cant see them having ANY hope at all against Burren who have been waiting for them now for 5 weeks.

I couldn't disagree more.

I too was at the same game yesterday. St Mary's were the far more physically stronger side and that showed in there performance. The game was 7-5 in favour of St Marys at half time and should have been more only for a crossbar and a bit of wayward shooting. The tackling of the St Marys boys was nothing short of brilliant, and in Daniel McCann at full back, they had an answer to Paul Devlin, who was also excellent.
At the start of the second half Kilcoo came back with 2 points to level the game, and it was game on at this stage, but a 15 minute spell in the second half were St Marys dominated all sectors of the pitch won the game for them. Colm Kelly and Miceal McCartan were fantastic at Midfield and young Ciaran Doyle never stopped running and supporting his team-mates. Kilcoo as expected mounted the come back they always would, and a  few??? dodgy referring decisions almost handed it to them. But St Marys held out, and as they say, the score board never lies!!!

So we'll see come next Sunday against Burren exactly how far they are away,

I agree with you that Colm Kelly and Miceal McCartan where outstanding for the two clubs that defeated one that incidently had ten players under 18. Kilcoo where poor on the day and the amalgumated team just about scraped through. Paul Devlin fantastic? what game where you at? He was simply not at the races. fair play to St.Marys, but you have to remember Kilcoo have only 3 players overage next year. they are basically a minor team, who on the day played poorly and stil only lost by a point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 26, 2009, 01:29:44 PM
anyone at the Down V Meath Challenge match yesterday in Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on January 26, 2009, 04:58:44 PM
Does anyone know if there were any of the Down U21 management team in attendence at the EDu20 A final yesterday?
And if so was there any displays which would have caught their attention?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 26, 2009, 05:50:48 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on January 26, 2009, 04:58:44 PM
Does anyone know if there were any of the Down U21 management team in attendence at the EDu20 A final yesterday?
And if so was there any displays which would have caught their attention?

No the county under 21 management where yet again absent from what i could see and from other sources at the game. I was at eight games in the competition this year and they where not present. surely this is where potential players can be viewed in competitive circumstances. Daniel McCann and Colm Kelly impressed for St. Marys while Miceal , McCartan was brilliant although he is not availabe due to being in Liverpool studying. Barry Kane proved his worth again for Kilcoo. Minors Ciaran McClean, Miceal Devlin and Kieran Doyle also shined.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 26, 2009, 06:47:29 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 26, 2009, 01:00:22 AM
(http://www.sportsmanager.ie/uploaded/galleries/10_uploaded/Official%20opening%20Mickey%20Walshs%20Physiotherapy%20Clinic%20in%20Warrenpoint.jpg)

:D



Quote from: eyeswideopen on January 26, 2009, 04:58:44 PM
Does anyone know if there were any of the Down U21 management team in attendence at the EDu20 A final yesterday?
And if so was there any displays which would have caught their attention?

Think they were busy waiting their turn.   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on January 26, 2009, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 26, 2009, 05:50:48 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on January 26, 2009, 04:58:44 PM
Does anyone know if there were any of the Down U21 management team in attendence at the EDu20 A final yesterday?
And if so was there any displays which would have caught their attention?

No the county under 21 management where yet again absent from what i could see and from other sources at the game. I was at eight games in the competition this year and they where not present. surely this is where potential players can be viewed in competitive circumstances. Daniel McCann and Colm Kelly impressed for St. Marys while Miceal , McCartan was brilliant although he is not availabe due to being in Liverpool studying. Barry Kane proved his worth again for Kilcoo. Minors Ciaran McClean, Miceal Devlin and Kieran Doyle also shined.

I think a reality check is needed here. This was an ED U.20 game with maybe 20 of the 30 players still able to play minor in 2009!. And ayway, why would the U.21 selectors be scouting round these games when the squad was selected 2 weeks ago? And how does EDG know whether any of the U.21 mangement team were there or not - did he/she see EVERYONE there? And in any case the U.21s need men amongst men, not men amongst boys!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 26, 2009, 07:03:53 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on January 26, 2009, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 26, 2009, 05:50:48 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on January 26, 2009, 04:58:44 PM
Does anyone know if there were any of the Down U21 management team in attendence at the EDu20 A final yesterday?
And if so was there any displays which would have caught their attention?

No the county under 21 management where yet again absent from what i could see and from other sources at the game. I was at eight games in the competition this year and they where not present. surely this is where potential players can be viewed in competitive circumstances. Daniel McCann and Colm Kelly impressed for St. Marys while Miceal , McCartan was brilliant although he is not availabe due to being in Liverpool studying. Barry Kane proved his worth again for Kilcoo. Minors Ciaran McClean, Miceal Devlin and Kieran Doyle also shined.


I think a reality check is needed here. This was an ED U.20 game with maybe 20 of the 30 players still able to play minor in 2009!. And ayway, why would the U.21 selectors be scouting round these games when the squad was selected 2 weeks ago? And how does EDG know whether any of the U.21 mangement team were there or not - did he/she see EVERYONE there? And in any case the U.21s need men amongst men, not men amongst boys!!

Well What is the purpose of having an under 20 competition then? the reason is to assist the under 21 management select their panel for the forthcoming season. The players listed are much better footballers and yeah MEN playing division one and senior championship football. Catch a grip. South Down champions Burren have 5 under 21s. Kilcoo and St Marys have one player between them. Joke. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on January 27, 2009, 08:03:43 AM
Down U-21 panel has already been picked and maybe thats why management werent at the ED final. Some of the players in that final attended trials for the U-21's and didnt get picked
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on January 27, 2009, 01:47:44 PM
Quote from: The Corporal on January 27, 2009, 08:03:43 AM
Down U-21 panel has already been picked and maybe thats why management weren't at the ED final. Some of the players in that final attended trials for the U-21's and didn't get picked

I would be interested to know where and when the U21 management team seen this young lad Somers play competitive football. ( trail matches are not and have never been competitive)
Surely the selection of the final panel should have been left until after the ED A & B finals and then after the All County Finals.
That is of course unless the management team had already made up their mind. I know lads who were asked along to the final trail from the teams in question but only received 10 mins football. It would have been in the better interest of all included for the the be at Saul on Sunday.
Or maybe thats too far to travel from South Down!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on January 27, 2009, 01:48:49 PM

I can't understand the point of having this league over the winter, when the management aren't going to bother turn up and see these young prospects in action....it's madness.
The U-21 management should at least acknowledge these young players and give them the decency and come and watch them play! It'll be interesting to see if any will be in attendance come Sunday.....even though they have the panel picked! ???

 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on January 27, 2009, 02:08:03 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on January 27, 2009, 01:48:49 PM

I can't understand the point of having this league over the winter, when the management aren't going to bother turn up and see these young prospects in action....it's madness.
The U-21 management should at least acknowledge these young players and give them the decency and come and watch them play! It'll be interesting to see if any will be in attendance come Sunday.....even though they have the panel picked! ???

 

I totally agree. And with Pete McGrath's fingers in so many other pies how can he see what some of these young lads have to offer. Correct me if i'm wrong but i believe he is promoting Sportstracker, Helping out Derek Davis at Glasdrumman, manager on Bryansford and TRYing to look after the Down U21 team. Surely there are other managers i the county with more time on heir hands to dedicate to the job. Would love to know what the south/ east ratio is on the final panal. Remembering that out of 28 on the Mckenna cup panal, 4 were from EAST down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on January 27, 2009, 04:01:53 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on January 27, 2009, 01:47:44 PM
Quote from: The Corporal on January 27, 2009, 08:03:43 AM
Down U-21 panel has already been picked and maybe thats why management weren't at the ED final. Some of the players in that final attended trials for the U-21's and didn't get picked

I would be interested to know where and when the U21 management team seen this young lad Somers play competitive football. ( trail matches are not and have never been competitive)
Surely the selection of the final panel should have been left until after the ED A & B finals and then after the All County Finals.
That is of course unless the management team had already made up their mind. I know lads who were asked along to the final trail from the teams in question but only received 10 mins football. It would have been in the better interest of all included for the the be at Saul on Sunday.
Or maybe thats too far to travel from South Down!!!

Disgrace if the management where not at the ED U20 finals.  You can tell more about a player by how they play in a big match like this than in 10 trial matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on January 27, 2009, 04:09:43 PM
that picture is f**king hilarious..just wat kind of 'service' is walsh offering...haha
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 27, 2009, 08:36:05 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on January 27, 2009, 04:01:53 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on January 27, 2009, 01:47:44 PM
Quote from: The Corporal on January 27, 2009, 08:03:43 AM
Down U-21 panel has already been picked and maybe thats why management weren't at the ED final. Some of the players in that final attended trials for the U-21's and didn't get picked

I would be interested to know where and when the U21 management team seen this young lad Somers play competitive football. ( trail matches are not and have never been competitive)
Surely the selection of the final panel should have been left until after the ED A & B finals and then after the All County Finals.
That is of course unless the management team had already made up their mind. I know lads who were asked along to the final trail from the teams in question but only received 10 mins football. It would have been in the better interest of all included for the the be at Saul on Sunday.
Or maybe thats too far to travel from South Down!!!

Disgrace if the management where not at the ED U20 finals.  You can tell more about a player by how they play in a big match like this than in 10 trial matches

Totally agree. you couldnt have put it any better. I watched two trials and a few players not selected roasted a few selected which i couldnt understand. Some players are picked on name and where your from. typical Down football. I know from watchin under 20 games some players really proved themselves but where not judged on this. No way a player from London can be judged on a few trial matchs.




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 27, 2009, 08:43:42 PM
Fellas, Wee Pete has seen every club in Divisions I and II over the past few years with An Riocht. What he saw there would always be far more useful to him than what he sees in a trial between players who have never played together before, in crap winter conditions. You might ask what the point in a trial is? Well, a lot of the time the purpose is so that previously established players can play themselves out of contention rather than the other way around.

On top of that, he knows everyone in Down football, he knows whose opinions to trust and whose to ignore. Instead of getting your knickers in a twist over your clubmates, start naming players who should be on the panel (and not just to make up the numbers), and why they should be in the panel. I saw every player in Division I last year and can't think of any shocking ommissions, not even close.

One fella who should be in on it your man Johnston from Tullylish, but by and large it's the right squad.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 27, 2009, 08:56:37 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 27, 2009, 08:43:42 PM
Fellas, Wee Pete has seen every club in Divisions I and II over the past few years with An Riocht. What he saw there would always be far more useful to him than what he sees in a trial between players who have never played together before, in crap winter conditions. You might ask what the point in a trial is? Well, a lot of the time the purpose is so that previously established players can play themselves out of contention rather than the other way around.

On top of that, he knows everyone in Down football, he knows whose opinions to trust and whose to ignore. Instead of getting your knickers in a twist over your clubmates, start naming players who should be on the panel (and not just to make up the numbers), and why they should be in the panel. I saw every player in Division I last year and can't think of any shocking ommissions, not even close.

One fella who should be in on it your man Johnston from Tullylish, but by and large it's the right squad.


You know very little then. Your club was relegated and got 3 players selected. Thats 3 under 21s, 2 seniors and a county minor and yous are relegated automatically. Something dosent tally up.Liam McKibben was on panel last year and starred from Castlewellan all year and was dropped. Joke. Look 90 per cent of squad is correct but there is about 8 players selected simply not as good as some not picked as proven in division one and in under 20 competition. and may i add, in the trials.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 27, 2009, 09:33:26 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on January 27, 2009, 01:48:49 PM

I can't understand the point of having this league over the winter, when the management aren't going to bother turn up and see these young prospects in action....it's madness.
The U-21 management should at least acknowledge these young players and give them the decency and come and watch them play! It'll be interesting to see if any will be in attendance come Sunday.....even though they have the panel picked! ???

 

In fairness though, this competition was due to be finished in 2008 but for a stroke of typical gaa bureaucracy. (It was not clearly stated in the rules of the comp what would happen when teams finished on same points in their section, so a series of 3 way play-off were played just to decide the semi-finalists)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on January 28, 2009, 09:07:33 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 27, 2009, 08:43:42 PM
Fellas, Wee Pete has seen every club in Divisions I and II over the past few years with An Riocht. What he saw there would always be far more useful to him than what he sees in a trial between players who have never played together before, in crap winter conditions. You might ask what the point in a trial is? Well, a lot of the time the purpose is so that previously established players can play themselves out of contention rather than the other way around.

On top of that, he knows everyone in Down football, he knows whose opinions to trust and whose to ignore. Instead of getting your knickers in a twist over your clubmates, start naming players who should be on the panel (and not just to make up the numbers), and why they should be in the panel. I saw every player in Division I last year and can't think of any shocking ommissions, not even close.

One fella who should be in on it your man Johnston from Tullylish, but by and large it's the right squad.




Thnk Johnsey may be overage, I player who should definately be on it is Mal Magee from Clann a Banna, by all accounts he sknned his man in the trials but did not make it through. Not once this year did hs man get the better of him, without a shadow of doubt he should be not only be on the panel but a srious contender for a sarting place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 28, 2009, 09:25:59 AM
QuoteYou know very little then. Your club was relegated and got 3 players selected. Thats 3 under 21s, 2 seniors and a county minor and yous are relegated automatically. Something dosent tally up.Liam McKibben was on panel last year and starred from Castlewellan all year and was dropped. Joke. Look 90 per cent of squad is correct but there is about 8 players selected simply not as good as some not picked as proven in division one and in under 20 competition. and may i add, in the trials.

This is a perfect example of  the blinkered nature of most people who complaing about this squad. Any player who you come up with, such as Liam McKibbin, might be as good as some of the players on the panel, but wouldn't force their way into the team. So what difference would it make if they were on or not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 28, 2009, 09:27:59 AM
Gareth Johnston is definitely overage. He's a great player though and not many full forwards in Division 3 will relish coming up against him.
DannyMc, I think it was your boy Magee who kept our own Paul McComiskey very quiet last year in the League in Dundrum. Seen him play there towards the end of the season and I have to agree he looks like a very handy prospect especially as a man marker.
In regards to the picking of the Down U-21 squad. The people that are giving out about the panel are those that generally have a gripe against management because a player or players from their club have not been selected.
Also, all this talk of a South Down bias is pure drivel. It is used every year as an excuse when there is a sizeable amount of South Down lads on the panel compared to East Down. At the end of the day, the U-21 management team are going to try to pick the best panel available to them. And judging by the squad they have selected I cant think of anyone of note that they have omitted bar Magee from Banbridge.

PS - I see Bosco's appeal to stay in Division 3 has been rejected and they will now definitely be in Division 4 next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on January 28, 2009, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 28, 2009, 09:27:59 AM
Gareth Johnston is definitely overage. He's a great player though and not many full forwards in Division 3 will relish coming up against him.
DannyMc, I think it was your boy Magee who kept our own Paul McComiskey very quiet last year in the League in Dundrum. Seen him play there towards the end of the season and I have to agree he looks like a very handy prospect especially as a man marker.
In regards to the picking of the Down U-21 squad. The people that are giving out about the panel are those that generally have a gripe against management because a player or players from their club have not been selected.
Also, all this talk of a South Down bias is pure drivel. It is used every year as an excuse when there is a sizeable amount of South Down lads on the panel compared to East Down. At the end of the day, the U-21 management team are going to try to pick the best panel available to them. And judging by the squad they have selected I cant think of anyone of note that they have omitted bar Magee from Banbridge.

PS - I see Bosco's appeal to stay in Division 3 has been rejected and they will now definitely be in Division 4 next year.
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What was there appeal anyway? was it to do with score difference?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on January 28, 2009, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 27, 2009, 08:43:42 PM
Fellas, Wee Pete has seen every club in Divisions I and II over the past few years with An Riocht. What he saw there would always be far more useful to him than what he sees in a trial between players who have never played together before, in crap winter conditions. You might ask what the point in a trial is? Well, a lot of the time the purpose is so that previously established players can play themselves out of contention rather than the other way around.

On top of that, he knows everyone in Down football, he knows whose opinions to trust and whose to ignore. Instead of getting your knickers in a twist over your clubmates, start naming players who should be on the panel (and not just to make up the numbers), and why they should be in the panel. I saw every player in Division I last year and can't think of any shocking ommissions, not even close.

One fella who should be in on it your man Johnston from Tullylish, but by and large it's the right squad.




This make no sense at all. Surely it would be more beneficial to see these lads competing at the level they are gonna be representing the county. Does this also suggest that you must play for a Div 1 or 2 club in order to represent your county??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on January 28, 2009, 02:47:50 PM
Quote from: off the laces on January 28, 2009, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 28, 2009, 09:27:59 AM
Gareth Johnston is definitely overage. He's a great player though and not many full forwards in Division 3 will relish coming up against him.
DannyMc, I think it was your boy Magee who kept our own Paul McComiskey very quiet last year in the League in Dundrum. Seen him play there towards the end of the season and I have to agree he looks like a very handy prospect especially as a man marker.
In regards to the picking of the Down U-21 squad. The people that are giving out about the panel are those that generally have a gripe against management because a player or players from their club have not been selected.
Also, all this talk of a South Down bias is pure drivel. It is used every year as an excuse when there is a sizeable amount of South Down lads on the panel compared to East Down. At the end of the day, the U-21 management team are going to try to pick the best panel available to them. And judging by the squad they have selected I cant think of anyone of note that they have omitted bar Magee from Banbridge.

PS - I see Bosco's appeal to stay in Division 3 has been rejected and they will now definitely be in Division 4 next year.
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What was there appeal anyway? was it to do with score difference?

OTL, as far as i know, it was more along the lines that St. john's had failed to field at least twice, and were therefore eneligble (ep) to win the league, and hence be promoted. apparently there is a rule somewhere if you fail to field more than a certain number of times, you are automatically disqualified from the league. i don't know where this ruls has been written so don't quote me on it!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 28, 2009, 10:50:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 28, 2009, 09:25:59 AM
QuoteYou know very little then. Your club was relegated and got 3 players selected. Thats 3 under 21s, 2 seniors and a county minor and yous are relegated automatically. Something dosent tally up.Liam McKibben was on panel last year and starred from Castlewellan all year and was dropped. Joke. Look 90 per cent of squad is correct but there is about 8 players selected simply not as good as some not picked as proven in division one and in under 20 competition. and may i add, in the trials.

This is a perfect example of  the blinkered nature of most people who complaing about this squad. Any player who you come up with, such as Liam McKibbin, might be as good as some of the players on the panel, but wouldn't force their way into the team. So what difference would it make if they were on or not?

Liam McKibbin is good enough for the first 15 or one of the first subs. Your missing the point, players who deserve to be there should be there. there is at least ten players better than Havern, Haughey, Somers, Cian Slevin, Joe Starkey, Ryan McGovern and Luke Byrne. The best 30 should be selected. Club form at present should be considered instead of picking players on name and who play ok in a trial match.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 28, 2009, 10:58:29 PM
Down fanatic I dont think you see much top flight football then. thats where the cream of the crop are. Castlewellan, Liatriom, Kilcoo, Clonduff and Mayobridge have only 2 players selected between them  which is not right. Kilcoo Mayobridge and Castlewellan where in top 4 this year with many young stars involved and i know there is at least 5 players from the above clubs better than a third of players selected. dont get me wrong 80% of panel is correct but there are about 7 or 8 lads selected and there is better not for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 28, 2009, 11:57:51 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 28, 2009, 10:58:29 PM
Down fanatic I dont think you see much top flight football then. thats where the cream of the crop are. Castlewellan, Liatriom, Kilcoo, Clonduff and Mayobridge have only 2 players selected between them  which is not right. Kilcoo Mayobridge and Castlewellan where in top 4 this year with many young stars involved and i know there is at least 5 players from the above clubs better than a third of players selected. dont get me wrong 80% of panel is correct but there are about 7 or 8 lads selected and there is better not for whatever reason.

MDG, just because clubs have Division 1 status doesn't automatically mean they have a right to representation on county squads. I don't see any injustice as to why these clubs have been wronged in that they have only 2 players on the panel between them.
There is no conspiracy here. The U-21 management have picked a panel which they feel best suit their needs. As far as I know Liam McKibben is a forward. Perhaps, the management didnt need another forward and possibly wanted to add an extra defender.
The management opted to use trials as a way of selecting the panel. They obviously had some sort of criteria in place and those that didnt come up to scratch were obviously omitted.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 29, 2009, 02:02:37 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 28, 2009, 10:58:29 PM
Down fanatic I dont think you see much top flight football then. thats where the cream of the crop are. Castlewellan, Liatriom, Kilcoo, Clonduff and Mayobridge have only 2 players selected between them  which is not right. Kilcoo Mayobridge and Castlewellan where in top 4 this year with many young stars involved and i know there is at least 5 players from the above clubs better than a third of players selected. dont get me wrong 80% of panel is correct but there are about 7 or 8 lads selected and there is better not for whatever reason.

I know that Seamus Grant and Darren Fegan could not not he commitment due to work this year, both would have made the panel !!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 29, 2009, 01:07:31 PM
Just looking over in the Armagh thread there and I see that there will be 3 Down men managing Armagh teams this year. Kilcoo's Jerome Johnston is in charge at Ballymacnab, Rostrevor's Aidan Farrell is taking Tir na Og and Warrenpoint's Micheal Magill is in charge of Wolfe Tones.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on January 29, 2009, 01:21:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 29, 2009, 01:07:31 PM
Just looking over in the Armagh thread there and I see that there will be 3 Down men managing Armagh teams this year. Kilcoo's Jerome Johnston is in charge at Ballymacnab, Rostrevor's Aidan Farrell is taking Tir na Og and Warrenpoint's Micheal Magill is in charge of Wolfe Tones.
add robert wilson (clonduff) at lissummon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 29, 2009, 09:39:08 PM
QuoteThis make no sense at all. Surely it would be more beneficial to see these lads competing at the level they are gonna be representing the county. Does this also suggest that you must play for a Div 1 or 2 club in order to represent your county??

So you reckon it is a more useful gauge of a player's ability to watch them in an under-20 club game, comprising thrown together teams of players who've not played together in a few years, have hardly trained together, and a number of whom will never play GAA again after the series ends, than it would be when watching the same fella play adult league and championship football, where he is up against dedicated, mature players? Catch a grip you looney.

Secondly, you don't have to play for a Div I or a Div II to play for the county. No. I was merely emphasising that due to his time at An Riocht, Pete has recently seen pretty much every player in the top two flights in competitive football, in their natural environment. So he can call on that knowledge rather than relying fully on a mud-splattered trial match among unevenly matched players.


Regarding the East Down / South Down thing, if anyone believes that a manager would handicap his own team's chances by leaving out better players because they happen to be from north of Hilltown, then you truly are as mad as crazy fckin mad thing.

On a slightly related note - 2 years ago, after Carryduff had suffered automatic relegation from Division II, they sent 11 players to the county under-21 trials. When clubs treat county managers and selectors with such disdain, and this was nothing less than wasting their time, it surely must be tougher for the one or two good ones from clubs like that to get their heads above the parapet; to have even half a chance of getting noticed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on January 30, 2009, 11:30:43 AM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on January 28, 2009, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 27, 2009, 08:43:42 PM
Fellas, Wee Pete has seen every club in Divisions I and II over the past few years with An Riocht. What he saw there would always be far more useful to him than what he sees in a trial between players who have never played together before, in crap winter conditions. You might ask what the point in a trial is? Well, a lot of the time the purpose is so that previously established players can play themselves out of contention rather than the other way around.

On top of that, he knows everyone in Down football, he knows whose opinions to trust and whose to ignore. Instead of getting your knickers in a twist over your clubmates, start naming players who should be on the panel (and not just to make up the numbers), and why they should be in the panel. I saw every player in Division I last year and can't think of any shocking ommissions, not even close.

One fella who should be in on it your man Johnston from Tullylish, but by and large it's the right squad.




[b]This make no sense at all. Surely it would be more beneficial to see these lads competing at the level they are gonna be representing the county. Does this also suggest that you must play for a Div 1 or 2 club in order to represent your county??
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I dont understand where you are going with this. I assume by "these lads" you are referring to those who were playing in the U20 series whom you think should be on the U.21 panel but who were not selected (maybe yourself or clubmates). The reality is that an U20 game is certainly not refective of "the level they are going to be representing the county" at U.21. Representing your county at U.21 means coming up against other U.21s - men & not boys - big physical players who can and will mix it with the best.  Im not surprised that the U.21 selectors have apparently ignored the U.20 competition - the mix of ages, standards, conditions etc etc would not be a good combination on which to base a selection judgement. If you're good enough, irrespective of who you are, you will make the team - I would doubt very much if the management are out to pick anything other than the best team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on January 30, 2009, 11:58:53 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on January 30, 2009, 11:30:43 AM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on January 28, 2009, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 27, 2009, 08:43:42 PM
Fellas, Wee Pete has seen every club in Divisions I and II over the past few years with An Riocht. What he saw there would always be far more useful to him than what he sees in a trial between players who have never played together before, in crap winter conditions. You might ask what the point in a trial is? Well, a lot of the time the purpose is so that previously established players can play themselves out of contention rather than the other way around.

On top of that, he knows everyone in Down football, he knows whose opinions to trust and whose to ignore. Instead of getting your knickers in a twist over your clubmates, start naming players who should be on the panel (and not just to make up the numbers), and why they should be in the panel. I saw every player in Division I last year and can't think of any shocking ommissions, not even close.

One fella who should be in on it your man Johnston from Tullylish, but by and large it's the right squad.




[b]This make no sense at all. Surely it would be more beneficial to see these lads competing at the level they are gonna be representing the county. Does this also suggest that you must play for a Div 1 or 2 club in order to represent your county??
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I dont understand where you are going with this. I assume by "these lads" you are referring to those who were playing in the U20 series whom you think should be on the U.21 panel but who were not selected (maybe yourself or clubmates). The reality is that an U20 game is certainly not refective of "the level they are going to be representing the county" at U.21. Representing your county at U.21 means coming up against other U.21s - men & not boys - big physical players who can and will mix it with the best.  Im not surprised that the U.21 selectors have apparently ignored the U.20 competition - the mix of ages, standards, conditions etc etc would not be a good combination on which to base a selection judgement. If you're good enough, irrespective of who you are, you will make the team - I would doubt very much if the management are out to pick anything other than the best team.

If someone gets overlooked in the trials for whatever reason and then cleans out someone who is on the team in the county final then that is 2 players to look at, the player not on the team and the player that is picked on the team.  A manager watching a big match like a county final will learn a lot about there players from a game like this e.g.  who hid when the going got tough or steps up and excelled, might be useful information if 2 points down against Tyrone with 15 minutes to go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on January 30, 2009, 01:12:10 PM
I think my original point has been completely missed. I was suggesting that it would serve the selection team better to watch the games in the U20 competition rather than see a bunch of stranger attempt to impress during a trial where very often players do not display any teamwork and bring fellow club mates into the game. Resulting in not everyone getting an equal chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 30, 2009, 04:51:14 PM
Lads the Mayobridge dinner dance tonight, predict our senior and minor players of the year and the winner recieved a signed photo of myself and a goodie bag ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 30, 2009, 04:56:46 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on January 30, 2009, 04:51:14 PM
Lads the Mayobridge dinner dance tonight, predict our senior and minor players of the year and the winner recieved a signed photo of myself and a goodie bag ;D ;D

sure you'll prob not know til tomorrow who got what if last year is anything to go by ;)

senior- gavin barry
minor-  shane mac

ya can keep your photo but i'll take the goodie bag :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 30, 2009, 05:00:35 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 30, 2009, 04:56:46 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on January 30, 2009, 04:51:14 PM
Lads the Mayobridge dinner dance tonight, predict our senior and minor players of the year and the winner recieved a signed photo of myself and a goodie bag ;D ;D

sure you'll prob not know til tomorrow who got what if last year is anything to go by ;)

senior- gavin barry
minor-  shane mac

ya can keep your photo but i'll take the goodie bag :)

Last year was a lesson, No wine tonight!!!!!!! :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 30, 2009, 07:56:38 PM
Senior - Gavin Barry
Seconds - Ronan OHare
Thirds - Conor Gribben
Minor - Shane Mac
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 30, 2009, 08:54:59 PM
Down team for sunday.

1 B McVeigh
2 C McGovern
3 P Murphy
4 L Howard
5 A Carr
6 K McKernan
7 C Garvey
8 J Lynch
9 S Kearney
10 B McArdle
11 C Maginn
12 J Fegan
13 J ORielly
14 D Hughes
15 B Coulter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on January 30, 2009, 10:54:11 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 30, 2009, 08:54:59 PM
Down team for sunday.

1 B McVeigh
2 C McGovern
3 P Murphy
4 L Howard
5 A Carr
6 K McKernan
7 C Garvey
8 J Lynch
9 S Kearney
10 B McArdle
11 C Maginn
12 J Fegan
13 J ORielly
14 D Hughes
15 B Coulter
seems to be a experimental team from carr. two forward thinking "defenders" and a debutant ( before anyone asks the " is that both made their name in the forward line) in the half back line. half forward line looks a bit light?  though i hear mcardle and maginn doing well for qub,be interesting to see if they can make the step up.  kearney in mf, hasnt really made an impact in the forward line be interesting to see how he fairs.  imagine alot of posters happy enough with murphy at fb.  be interesting see hughes at 14 know he is a frequent scorer for saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 30, 2009, 11:25:27 PM
There are a few surprises in the team, particularly the selection of four QUB players just three days before they face UUJ in the Sigerson. I suggested Murphy at full back last year, although I recall that Wobbler, who has watched him come through the ranks at club level and is in a position to judge, insisted that he was an out and out wing half. The fact that that we need an no 3 as badly as ever, and Murphy is a good enough athlete and footballer to give it a go for the start of the league. We should be capable of beating Tipperary, even if it does not work out for Murphy at the heart of our defence.

Howard is a fine corner back and McGovern will not let anyone down, although Rafferty and Sloan are presumably injured. While it looks like a decent half back line, Davey and Duffin may have paid the price for ordinary displays against Queen's.

Not many Down fans would have Lynch in before Ireland, but, on a heavy pitch in what could be a physical enough game early on, it could still be the right choice. Kearney is worth a look there in any case.

The half forward line will run all day, but there would be a concern about their ball-winning ability. While Fitzpatrick would have brought some additional strength, he will almost certainly come off the bench. O'Reilly has the talent, but is untested as this level, and it is difficult to see Hughes staying at full forward. Another run for Michael Magee would have made more sense.

The bottom line is that this is a match which has to be won decisively if we are serious about promotion. A re-run of Leitrim last year would be disastrous, but there really should be enough quality in our squad to see us through.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on January 31, 2009, 12:06:36 AM
Still dont see the reason why the donkey carr cant play john clarke?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 31, 2009, 10:00:55 AM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on January 30, 2009, 07:56:38 PM
Senior - Gavin Barry
Seconds - Ronan OHare
Thirds - Conor Gribben
Minor - Shane Mac


hardly inside info!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 31, 2009, 11:12:25 AM
if thats the starting team to face Tipp then thank christ i aint going. One word...B-RUTAL. is that really the strongest team we have to put out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on January 31, 2009, 12:05:56 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 31, 2009, 10:00:55 AM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on January 30, 2009, 07:56:38 PM
Senior - Gavin Barry
Seconds - Ronan OHare
Thirds - Conor Gribben
Minor - Shane Mac


hardly inside info!



What you mean Gael?  That was 100% guess, have watched all these teams all year, not hard really! These are the lads that have stood out for their respective teams, would you not agree?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 31, 2009, 12:36:19 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 30, 2009, 08:54:59 PM
Down team for sunday.

1 B McVeigh
2 C McGovern
3 P Murphy
4 L Howard
5 A Carr
6 K McKernan
7 C Garvey
8 J Lynch
9 S Kearney
10 B McArdle
11 C Maginn
12 J Fegan
13 J ORielly
14 D Hughes
15 B Coulter

Not totally convinced about this team.  We have to get a settled No.3 and No.6 . At the minute both could be decent options.  Mc kernan has to curb the urge to constantly bomb forward but he could do a job here. 

Surprised at Kearney.  Not sure if he has the work rate to play here and I would be surprised to see Mc Ardle play in the middle of the field with Kearney at wing forward.

O' Reilly can be dangerous and unlike the man at No.14 he actually is a team player.  Hughes will probably roam out the field but he must bring others into play and not just do things that suit him.

Interesting team but I suppose it is early days.  A win would be a great lift for a start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 31, 2009, 06:11:33 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on January 31, 2009, 11:12:25 AM
if thats the starting team to face Tipp then thank christ i aint going. One word...B-RUTAL. is that really the strongest team we have to put out.

well thank christ you aint going is right!!  your "support" would hardly be welcome!!  i'll be going anyway to support Down no matter who is playing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 31, 2009, 06:28:16 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on January 31, 2009, 11:12:25 AM
if thats the starting team to face Tipp then thank christ i aint going. One word...B-RUTAL. is that really the strongest team we have to put out.

I expect you`ll be on here tomorrow complaing about a lack of effort and commitment from the players as well. We really need "supporters" like you.

On a seperate note some people seem to have very short memories, according to www.downgaa.net
QuoteTwo-time All-Ireland winning manager Pete McGrady takes the helm at the newly promoted Bryansford
I know the article was taken from the Down Democrat, but does no one read these things first?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 31, 2009, 06:36:15 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on January 31, 2009, 12:05:56 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 31, 2009, 10:00:55 AM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on January 30, 2009, 07:56:38 PM
Senior - Gavin Barry
Seconds - Ronan OHare
Thirds - Conor Gribben
Minor - Shane Mac


hardly inside info!



What you mean Gael?  That was 100% guess, have watched all these teams all year, not hard really! These are the lads that have stood out for their respective teams, would you not agree?


alright i'll give ya senior second and minor was not hard to pick, but wee tiny for thirds is questionable!  were you at many thirds games??  i would have thought george or rogie......only from what i saw anyway.  which was bout all but two games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 31, 2009, 06:48:21 PM
The men in charge in division 1
  Date : 30/01/2009 22:25 
Taken from the Down Democrat Website

http://www.downdemocrat.com/tabId/290/itemId/481/The-men-in-charge.aspx

Some new and more familiar faces have been installed as managers throughout the county. It may only be January but in Division One the manager merry-go-round is already in full swing.

KILCOO: 'If it ain't broke don't fix it' seems to be the mantra that the League Champions are adopting for the coming season. Jim McCorry guided Kilcoo to their first league title since 2004 and understandably he will remain in charge in 2009. The superb team ethic prevalent at the club was a major reason for last year's success. If that can be replicated Kilcoo may fancy their chances of retaining their league title.

MAYOBRIDGE: Paul Carroll managed Mayobridge for a spell in the 1990s and returns to the club in 2009 to take charge of the Sky Blues again.

The appointment was a surprise to many outside of the club but those in the know are confident that he can keep the good times rolling at Mayobridge. The Sky Blues are seeking their sixth successive county championship title. If they can secure that the onus will be on Carroll to put together an extended run in Ulster.

ROSTREVOR: The south Down side have named one of the most high profile names as their new manager. John Rafferty famously brought success to St. Galls of Antrim. The Armagh man will also be coaching his native Poyntzpass who play their football in Division Four of the Armagh league in conjunction with the Rostrevor job. His rigorous training and scientific approach have yielded impressive results. Whether he can bring success to St Bronagh's remains to be seen.

CASTLEWELLAN: Liam Hardy is the newly appointed Castlewellan manager. Barney Cunningham and 'Harpo' McKibben will assist the new man as selectors. Last year the Town made it to the play-offs in the league before being eliminated by Mayobridge.

They suffered a disappointing early exit in the Championship at the hands of rivals Bryansford. Hardy's hopes will include a better showing in the Championship as well as maintaining their good league form.

BURREN: Damian Barton retains control of the former All-Ireland winning club for the second successive season. Burren were the nearly men of 2008 reaching the Championship semi-final and finishing just outside the play-off places in the league. If Barton can improve on last year's performance expect Burren to challenge on both fronts.

CLONDUFF: Benny Corrigan was in charge at the Hilltown club last year. Never in danger of relegation but just ever so slightly off the pace at the upper end of the spectrum they were also eliminated by eventual winners Mayobridge in the Championship.

Clonduff will be seeking an improved performance in both league and championship in 2009.

LONGSTONE: Frank Dawson will be in charge at the 'Stone for his third season as manager. He will be assisted by Tony Burden and John Poland. He guided the Mourne men to the Championship final in 2007 and helped the club finish 8th in the league last season. After an arguably average season last year Dawson will be hoping to re-ignite the form that saw his side push Mayobridge to a replay in the Championship final in 2007.

LOUGHINISLAND: Gerard Colgan will stay on at Loughinisland after a successful first season. The former An Ríocht man steered the Blues to a Championship final and will be hoping for a similar run in 2009. On the touch-line with Colgan will be Paul Rice and Stephen Molloy. The trio will aim to sustain more of a challenge in the league with a view to making the play-offs.

SAVAL: Declan Morgan remains in charge at Nan Sands Declan and will be charged with the task of keeping Saval in the top tier of football once again. With the number of teams in Division One being reduced at the end of this season Morgan faces a battle to avoid relegation once again. If Saval can pull that feat off it will be viewed as a successful season.

LIATROIM: Having narrowly avoided relegation last year the Fontenoys' Rusty McCaulfield could reflect on a job well done. In that regard Leitrim will be hoping for the same again. Liam Doily is still nursing a long-term injury. The Fontenoys will be hoping to have their talisman back sooner rather than later. In the fight to stay in the top division they may well need him.

WARRENPOINT: The 'Point were promoted as Champions of Division Two under the stewardship of Emmett Thomas McGivern. ET brought what was a very young squad up to the top flight against the odds. Gerry Boil is the side's primary selector. The management will have their sights set on maintaining their Division One status.

BRYANSFORD: Two-time All-Ireland winning manager Pete McGrady takes the helm at the newly promoted club. Bryansford were dominant in Division Two last season before falling at the final hurdle in the Play-offs. The former Down tactician has a habit of bringing success wherever he goes. If he can continue that trend this season Bryansford will be more than happy.



Very poor journalism indeed.  A few points -

Rusty Mc Aulfield left Leitrim at the end of last year and this was widely known.
Its Liam Doyle and not Liam Doily, you would think they would be able to get the name right of a former DOWN Captain
Gerry Boil?  Don't think this is right.
Pete Mc Grady?  Everyone knows who he is and what he has done.  Maybe he is being confused with that other East Down great, Eddie Mc Grady!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 31, 2009, 06:57:24 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 31, 2009, 06:48:21 PM
The men in charge in division 1
  Date : 30/01/2009 22:25 
Taken from the Down Democrat Website

http://www.downdemocrat.com/tabId/290/itemId/481/The-men-in-charge.aspx

Some new and more familiar faces have been installed as managers throughout the county. It may only be January but in Division One the manager merry-go-round is already in full swing.

KILCOO: 'If it ain't broke don't fix it' seems to be the mantra that the League Champions are adopting for the coming season. Jim McCorry guided Kilcoo to their first league title since 2004 and understandably he will remain in charge in 2009. The superb team ethic prevalent at the club was a major reason for last year's success. If that can be replicated Kilcoo may fancy their chances of retaining their league title.

MAYOBRIDGE: Paul Carroll managed Mayobridge for a spell in the 1990s and returns to the club in 2009 to take charge of the Sky Blues again.

The appointment was a surprise to many outside of the club but those in the know are confident that he can keep the good times rolling at Mayobridge. The Sky Blues are seeking their sixth successive county championship title. If they can secure that the onus will be on Carroll to put together an extended run in Ulster.

ROSTREVOR: The south Down side have named one of the most high profile names as their new manager. John Rafferty famously brought success to St. Galls of Antrim. The Armagh man will also be coaching his native Poyntzpass who play their football in Division Four of the Armagh league in conjunction with the Rostrevor job. His rigorous training and scientific approach have yielded impressive results. Whether he can bring success to St Bronagh's remains to be seen.

CASTLEWELLAN: Liam Hardy is the newly appointed Castlewellan manager. Barney Cunningham and 'Harpo' McKibben will assist the new man as selectors. Last year the Town made it to the play-offs in the league before being eliminated by Mayobridge.

They suffered a disappointing early exit in the Championship at the hands of rivals Bryansford. Hardy's hopes will include a better showing in the Championship as well as maintaining their good league form.

BURREN: Damian Barton retains control of the former All-Ireland winning club for the second successive season. Burren were the nearly men of 2008 reaching the Championship semi-final and finishing just outside the play-off places in the league. If Barton can improve on last year's performance expect Burren to challenge on both fronts.

CLONDUFF: Benny Corrigan was in charge at the Hilltown club last year. Never in danger of relegation but just ever so slightly off the pace at the upper end of the spectrum they were also eliminated by eventual winners Mayobridge in the Championship.

Clonduff will be seeking an improved performance in both league and championship in 2009.

LONGSTONE: Frank Dawson will be in charge at the 'Stone for his third season as manager. He will be assisted by Tony Burden and John Poland. He guided the Mourne men to the Championship final in 2007 and helped the club finish 8th in the league last season. After an arguably average season last year Dawson will be hoping to re-ignite the form that saw his side push Mayobridge to a replay in the Championship final in 2007.

LOUGHINISLAND: Gerard Colgan will stay on at Loughinisland after a successful first season. The former An Ríocht man steered the Blues to a Championship final and will be hoping for a similar run in 2009. On the touch-line with Colgan will be Paul Rice and Stephen Molloy. The trio will aim to sustain more of a challenge in the league with a view to making the play-offs.

SAVAL: Declan Morgan remains in charge at Nan Sands Declan and will be charged with the task of keeping Saval in the top tier of football once again. With the number of teams in Division One being reduced at the end of this season Morgan faces a battle to avoid relegation once again. If Saval can pull that feat off it will be viewed as a successful season.

LIATROIM: Having narrowly avoided relegation last year the Fontenoys' Rusty McCaulfield could reflect on a job well done. In that regard Leitrim will be hoping for the same again. Liam Doily is still nursing a long-term injury. The Fontenoys will be hoping to have their talisman back sooner rather than later. In the fight to stay in the top division they may well need him.

WARRENPOINT: The 'Point were promoted as Champions of Division Two under the stewardship of Emmett Thomas McGivern. ET brought what was a very young squad up to the top flight against the odds. Gerry Boil is the side's primary selector. The management will have their sights set on maintaining their Division One status.

BRYANSFORD: Two-time All-Ireland winning manager Pete McGrady takes the helm at the newly promoted club. Bryansford were dominant in Division Two last season before falling at the final hurdle in the Play-offs. The former Down tactician has a habit of bringing success wherever he goes. If he can continue that trend this season Bryansford will be more than happy.



Very poor journalism indeed.  A few points -

Rusty Mc Aulfield left Leitrim at the end of last year and this was widely known.
Its Liam Doyle and not Liam Doily, you would think they would be able to get the name right of a former DOWN Captain
Gerry Boil?  Don't think this is right.
Pete Mc Grady?  Everyone knows who he is and what he has done.  Maybe he is being confused with that other East Down great, Eddie Mc Grady!!!!!!!!!!

that really is poor journalism!!!  if ya get that name wrong in Down football,  well there is no hope for ya!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 31, 2009, 07:07:12 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 31, 2009, 06:57:24 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 31, 2009, 06:48:21 PM
The men in charge in division 1
  Date : 30/01/2009 22:25 
Taken from the Down Democrat Website

http://www.downdemocrat.com/tabId/290/itemId/481/The-men-in-charge.aspx

Some new and more familiar faces have been installed as managers throughout the county. It may only be January but in Division One the manager merry-go-round is already in full swing.

KILCOO: 'If it ain't broke don't fix it' seems to be the mantra that the League Champions are adopting for the coming season. Jim McCorry guided Kilcoo to their first league title since 2004 and understandably he will remain in charge in 2009. The superb team ethic prevalent at the club was a major reason for last year's success. If that can be replicated Kilcoo may fancy their chances of retaining their league title.

MAYOBRIDGE: Paul Carroll managed Mayobridge for a spell in the 1990s and returns to the club in 2009 to take charge of the Sky Blues again.

The appointment was a surprise to many outside of the club but those in the know are confident that he can keep the good times rolling at Mayobridge. The Sky Blues are seeking their sixth successive county championship title. If they can secure that the onus will be on Carroll to put together an extended run in Ulster.

ROSTREVOR: The south Down side have named one of the most high profile names as their new manager. John Rafferty famously brought success to St. Galls of Antrim. The Armagh man will also be coaching his native Poyntzpass who play their football in Division Four of the Armagh league in conjunction with the Rostrevor job. His rigorous training and scientific approach have yielded impressive results. Whether he can bring success to St Bronagh's remains to be seen.

CASTLEWELLAN: Liam Hardy is the newly appointed Castlewellan manager. Barney Cunningham and 'Harpo' McKibben will assist the new man as selectors. Last year the Town made it to the play-offs in the league before being eliminated by Mayobridge.

They suffered a disappointing early exit in the Championship at the hands of rivals Bryansford. Hardy's hopes will include a better showing in the Championship as well as maintaining their good league form.

BURREN: Damian Barton retains control of the former All-Ireland winning club for the second successive season. Burren were the nearly men of 2008 reaching the Championship semi-final and finishing just outside the play-off places in the league. If Barton can improve on last year's performance expect Burren to challenge on both fronts.

CLONDUFF: Benny Corrigan was in charge at the Hilltown club last year. Never in danger of relegation but just ever so slightly off the pace at the upper end of the spectrum they were also eliminated by eventual winners Mayobridge in the Championship.

Clonduff will be seeking an improved performance in both league and championship in 2009.

LONGSTONE: Frank Dawson will be in charge at the 'Stone for his third season as manager. He will be assisted by Tony Burden and John Poland. He guided the Mourne men to the Championship final in 2007 and helped the club finish 8th in the league last season. After an arguably average season last year Dawson will be hoping to re-ignite the form that saw his side push Mayobridge to a replay in the Championship final in 2007.

LOUGHINISLAND: Gerard Colgan will stay on at Loughinisland after a successful first season. The former An Ríocht man steered the Blues to a Championship final and will be hoping for a similar run in 2009. On the touch-line with Colgan will be Paul Rice and Stephen Molloy. The trio will aim to sustain more of a challenge in the league with a view to making the play-offs.

SAVAL: Declan Morgan remains in charge at Nan Sands Declan and will be charged with the task of keeping Saval in the top tier of football once again. With the number of teams in Division One being reduced at the end of this season Morgan faces a battle to avoid relegation once again. If Saval can pull that feat off it will be viewed as a successful season.

LIATROIM: Having narrowly avoided relegation last year the Fontenoys' Rusty McCaulfield could reflect on a job well done. In that regard Leitrim will be hoping for the same again. Liam Doily is still nursing a long-term injury. The Fontenoys will be hoping to have their talisman back sooner rather than later. In the fight to stay in the top division they may well need him.

WARRENPOINT: The 'Point were promoted as Champions of Division Two under the stewardship of Emmett Thomas McGivern. ET brought what was a very young squad up to the top flight against the odds. Gerry Boil is the side's primary selector. The management will have their sights set on maintaining their Division One status.

BRYANSFORD: Two-time All-Ireland winning manager Pete McGrady takes the helm at the newly promoted club. Bryansford were dominant in Division Two last season before falling at the final hurdle in the Play-offs. The former Down tactician has a habit of bringing success wherever he goes. If he can continue that trend this season Bryansford will be more than happy.



Very poor journalism indeed.  A few points -

Rusty Mc Aulfield left Leitrim at the end of last year and this was widely known.
Its Liam Doyle and not Liam Doily, you would think they would be able to get the name right of a former DOWN Captain
Gerry Boil?  Don't think this is right.
Pete Mc Grady?  Everyone knows who he is and what he has done.  Maybe he is being confused with that other East Down great, Eddie Mc Grady!!!!!!!!!!

that really is poor journalism!!!  if ya get that name wrong in Down football,  well there is no hope for ya!!

So its acceptable and not poor journalism?
These people get paid to write articles like this.  I would imagine a GAA writer put this piece together or maybe not, judging by these basic mistakes.  You would think he would know the people he is writing about?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 31, 2009, 07:08:46 PM
You would also expect that someone would have noticed these mistakes before it was posted on the Down website of all places.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 31, 2009, 07:11:23 PM
No your right its not acceptable!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on January 31, 2009, 10:15:03 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 31, 2009, 07:08:46 PM
You would also expect that someone would have noticed these mistakes before it was posted on the Down website of all places.

Never mind someone noticing the mistakes before putting it on the Down website, this article is originally from the Down Democrat website so I take it that it appeared in their paper.  Did anyone read it before it went to print?

TBH, alot of mediocre articles are appearing on the Down website of late.  The pics of Michael Walsh's new business were embarrassing and labelling Máirín Mc Aleenan, our best ever Camogie player, as Marianne Mc Aleenan is simply inexcusable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 31, 2009, 10:45:28 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 31, 2009, 07:07:12 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 31, 2009, 06:57:24 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 31, 2009, 06:48:21 PM
The men in charge in division 1
  Date : 30/01/2009 22:25 
Taken from the Down Democrat Website

http://www.downdemocrat.com/tabId/290/itemId/481/The-men-in-charge.aspx

Some new and more familiar faces have been installed as managers throughout the county. It may only be January but in Division One the manager merry-go-round is already in full swing.

KILCOO: 'If it ain't broke don't fix it' seems to be the mantra that the League Champions are adopting for the coming season. Jim McCorry guided Kilcoo to their first league title since 2004 and understandably he will remain in charge in 2009. The superb team ethic prevalent at the club was a major reason for last year's success. If that can be replicated Kilcoo may fancy their chances of retaining their league title.

MAYOBRIDGE: Paul Carroll managed Mayobridge for a spell in the 1990s and returns to the club in 2009 to take charge of the Sky Blues again.

The appointment was a surprise to many outside of the club but those in the know are confident that he can keep the good times rolling at Mayobridge. The Sky Blues are seeking their sixth successive county championship title. If they can secure that the onus will be on Carroll to put together an extended run in Ulster.

ROSTREVOR: The south Down side have named one of the most high profile names as their new manager. John Rafferty famously brought success to St. Galls of Antrim. The Armagh man will also be coaching his native Poyntzpass who play their football in Division Four of the Armagh league in conjunction with the Rostrevor job. His rigorous training and scientific approach have yielded impressive results. Whether he can bring success to St Bronagh's remains to be seen.

CASTLEWELLAN: Liam Hardy is the newly appointed Castlewellan manager. Barney Cunningham and 'Harpo' McKibben will assist the new man as selectors. Last year the Town made it to the play-offs in the league before being eliminated by Mayobridge.

They suffered a disappointing early exit in the Championship at the hands of rivals Bryansford. Hardy's hopes will include a better showing in the Championship as well as maintaining their good league form.

BURREN: Damian Barton retains control of the former All-Ireland winning club for the second successive season. Burren were the nearly men of 2008 reaching the Championship semi-final and finishing just outside the play-off places in the league. If Barton can improve on last year's performance expect Burren to challenge on both fronts.

CLONDUFF: Benny Corrigan was in charge at the Hilltown club last year. Never in danger of relegation but just ever so slightly off the pace at the upper end of the spectrum they were also eliminated by eventual winners Mayobridge in the Championship.

Clonduff will be seeking an improved performance in both league and championship in 2009.

LONGSTONE: Frank Dawson will be in charge at the 'Stone for his third season as manager. He will be assisted by Tony Burden and John Poland. He guided the Mourne men to the Championship final in 2007 and helped the club finish 8th in the league last season. After an arguably average season last year Dawson will be hoping to re-ignite the form that saw his side push Mayobridge to a replay in the Championship final in 2007.

LOUGHINISLAND: Gerard Colgan will stay on at Loughinisland after a successful first season. The former An Ríocht man steered the Blues to a Championship final and will be hoping for a similar run in 2009. On the touch-line with Colgan will be Paul Rice and Stephen Molloy. The trio will aim to sustain more of a challenge in the league with a view to making the play-offs.

SAVAL: Declan Morgan remains in charge at Nan Sands Declan and will be charged with the task of keeping Saval in the top tier of football once again. With the number of teams in Division One being reduced at the end of this season Morgan faces a battle to avoid relegation once again. If Saval can pull that feat off it will be viewed as a successful season.

LIATROIM: Having narrowly avoided relegation last year the Fontenoys' Rusty McCaulfield could reflect on a job well done. In that regard Leitrim will be hoping for the same again. Liam Doily is still nursing a long-term injury. The Fontenoys will be hoping to have their talisman back sooner rather than later. In the fight to stay in the top division they may well need him.

WARRENPOINT: The 'Point were promoted as Champions of Division Two under the stewardship of Emmett Thomas McGivern. ET brought what was a very young squad up to the top flight against the odds. Gerry Boil is the side's primary selector. The management will have their sights set on maintaining their Division One status.

BRYANSFORD: Two-time All-Ireland winning manager Pete McGrady takes the helm at the newly promoted club. Bryansford were dominant in Division Two last season before falling at the final hurdle in the Play-offs. The former Down tactician has a habit of bringing success wherever he goes. If he can continue that trend this season Bryansford will be more than happy.



Very poor journalism indeed.  A few points -

Rusty Mc Aulfield left Leitrim at the end of last year and this was widely known.
Its Liam Doyle and not Liam Doily, you would think they would be able to get the name right of a former DOWN Captain
Gerry Boil?  Don't think this is right.
Pete Mc Grady?  Everyone knows who he is and what he has done.  Maybe he is being confused with that other East Down great, Eddie Mc Grady!!!!!!!!!!

that really is poor journalism!!!  if ya get that name wrong in Down football,  well there is no hope for ya!!

So its acceptable and not poor journalism?
These people get paid to write articles like this.  I would imagine a GAA writer put this piece together or maybe not, judging by these basic mistakes.  You would think he would know the people he is writing about?

Poor poor paper. widely known for mistakes and inaccuracies within all aspects of its paper, commonly known as "The Down Dumdocrat" around East Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on February 01, 2009, 02:14:58 AM
or some times known as the DemoCRAP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on February 01, 2009, 10:47:18 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 31, 2009, 10:45:28 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 31, 2009, 07:07:12 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 31, 2009, 06:57:24 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on January 31, 2009, 06:48:21 PM
The men in charge in division 1
  Date : 30/01/2009 22:25 
Taken from the Down Democrat Website

http://www.downdemocrat.com/tabId/290/itemId/481/The-men-in-charge.aspx

Some new and more familiar faces have been installed as managers throughout the county. It may only be January but in Division One the manager merry-go-round is already in full swing.

KILCOO: 'If it ain't broke don't fix it' seems to be the mantra that the League Champions are adopting for the coming season. Jim McCorry guided Kilcoo to their first league title since 2004 and understandably he will remain in charge in 2009. The superb team ethic prevalent at the club was a major reason for last year's success. If that can be replicated Kilcoo may fancy their chances of retaining their league title.

MAYOBRIDGE: Paul Carroll managed Mayobridge for a spell in the 1990s and returns to the club in 2009 to take charge of the Sky Blues again.

The appointment was a surprise to many outside of the club but those in the know are confident that he can keep the good times rolling at Mayobridge. The Sky Blues are seeking their sixth successive county championship title. If they can secure that the onus will be on Carroll to put together an extended run in Ulster.

ROSTREVOR: The south Down side have named one of the most high profile names as their new manager. John Rafferty famously brought success to St. Galls of Antrim. The Armagh man will also be coaching his native Poyntzpass who play their football in Division Four of the Armagh league in conjunction with the Rostrevor job. His rigorous training and scientific approach have yielded impressive results. Whether he can bring success to St Bronagh's remains to be seen.

CASTLEWELLAN: Liam Hardy is the newly appointed Castlewellan manager. Barney Cunningham and 'Harpo' McKibben will assist the new man as selectors. Last year the Town made it to the play-offs in the league before being eliminated by Mayobridge.

They suffered a disappointing early exit in the Championship at the hands of rivals Bryansford. Hardy's hopes will include a better showing in the Championship as well as maintaining their good league form.

BURREN: Damian Barton retains control of the former All-Ireland winning club for the second successive season. Burren were the nearly men of 2008 reaching the Championship semi-final and finishing just outside the play-off places in the league. If Barton can improve on last year's performance expect Burren to challenge on both fronts.

CLONDUFF: Benny Corrigan was in charge at the Hilltown club last year. Never in danger of relegation but just ever so slightly off the pace at the upper end of the spectrum they were also eliminated by eventual winners Mayobridge in the Championship.

Clonduff will be seeking an improved performance in both league and championship in 2009.

LONGSTONE: Frank Dawson will be in charge at the 'Stone for his third season as manager. He will be assisted by Tony Burden and John Poland. He guided the Mourne men to the Championship final in 2007 and helped the club finish 8th in the league last season. After an arguably average season last year Dawson will be hoping to re-ignite the form that saw his side push Mayobridge to a replay in the Championship final in 2007.

LOUGHINISLAND: Gerard Colgan will stay on at Loughinisland after a successful first season. The former An Ríocht man steered the Blues to a Championship final and will be hoping for a similar run in 2009. On the touch-line with Colgan will be Paul Rice and Stephen Molloy. The trio will aim to sustain more of a challenge in the league with a view to making the play-offs.

SAVAL: Declan Morgan remains in charge at Nan Sands Declan and will be charged with the task of keeping Saval in the top tier of football once again. With the number of teams in Division One being reduced at the end of this season Morgan faces a battle to avoid relegation once again. If Saval can pull that feat off it will be viewed as a successful season.

LIATROIM: Having narrowly avoided relegation last year the Fontenoys' Rusty McCaulfield could reflect on a job well done. In that regard Leitrim will be hoping for the same again. Liam Doily is still nursing a long-term injury. The Fontenoys will be hoping to have their talisman back sooner rather than later. In the fight to stay in the top division they may well need him.

WARRENPOINT: The 'Point were promoted as Champions of Division Two under the stewardship of Emmett Thomas McGivern. ET brought what was a very young squad up to the top flight against the odds. Gerry Boil is the side's primary selector. The management will have their sights set on maintaining their Division One status.

BRYANSFORD: Two-time All-Ireland winning manager Pete McGrady takes the helm at the newly promoted club. Bryansford were dominant in Division Two last season before falling at the final hurdle in the Play-offs. The former Down tactician has a habit of bringing success wherever he goes. If he can continue that trend this season Bryansford will be more than happy.



Very poor journalism indeed.  A few points -

Rusty Mc Aulfield left Leitrim at the end of last year and this was widely known.
Its Liam Doyle and not Liam Doily, you would think they would be able to get the name right of a former DOWN Captain
Gerry Boil?  Don't think this is right.
Pete Mc Grady?  Everyone knows who he is and what he has done.  Maybe he is being confused with that other East Down great, Eddie Mc Grady!!!!!!!!!!

that really is poor journalism!!!  if ya get that name wrong in Down football,  well there is no hope for ya!!

So its acceptable and not poor journalism?
These people get paid to write articles like this.  I would imagine a GAA writer put this piece together or maybe not, judging by these basic mistakes.  You would think he would know the people he is writing about?

Poor poor paper. widely known for mistakes and inaccuracies within all aspects of its paper, commonly known as "The Down Dumdocrat" around East Down.

Never reall read it at the time as it did not cover Division 3. If memory serves me right these articles are written by a former county player who ahs done the managerial merry-go-round!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 01, 2009, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on January 31, 2009, 11:12:25 AM
if thats the starting team to face Tipp then thank christ i aint going. One word...B-RUTAL. is that really the strongest team we have to put out.

that is a terrible atitude to have..

'Are u a Down FAN or a Down SUPPORTER?'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 01, 2009, 04:00:48 PM
 Down 0-18 Tipp 1-09. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on February 01, 2009, 04:20:14 PM
0-18 to 1-09. good result
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on February 01, 2009, 04:47:15 PM
Yeah good win indeed. Anyone know who did the scoring?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 01, 2009, 07:32:13 PM
Fegan and Hughes got 0-4 each, but all six starting forwards were on the scoresheet. McArdle, O'Reilly and Lynch all got yellow cards. We don't win away very often, so we have to be pleased with the result. Louth will be a better test for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on February 01, 2009, 07:39:40 PM
Quote from: the milkman on February 01, 2009, 04:47:15 PM
Yeah good win indeed. Anyone know who did the scoring?
Danny Hughes topped the scoring with 4 points from play followed by John Fegan 4(1f)
Conor Maginn 2
Benny Coulter 2
Aidan Carr 2 (from 45)
Jamie O'Reilly 1
Brendan McArdle 1
Cathal Magee 1
Ronan Sexton 1
Total 0-18
Wides 3

Tipperary 1-09  (8f)
Barry Grogan 6 (4f and 2 '45')
Timmie Dalton 2 (2f)
Chris Aylward  1-0
Wides 6

HT 0-07   0-07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on February 01, 2009, 08:55:06 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on January 31, 2009, 11:12:25 AM
if thats the starting team to face Tipp then thank christ i aint going. One word...B-RUTAL. is that really the strongest team we have to put out.


What a w**ker!


It looks like the B-Rutal boys done the business today.

2 pts in the league away, by an understrengh and experimental side against a potential banana skin, we could'nt ask for more than that. More difficult tasks lie ahead in what will be a difficult league campaign.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 01, 2009, 09:17:42 PM
Seven points each at half time was a pretty fair reflection of the first half. Down looked every bit a third division side in the first 35 minutes. Downs first score came from Jamie O`Reilly, but it was his only score of the game.  Danny Hughes (2), Coulter, McArdle and two from John Fegan(1 Free) were Downs other scorers in the first half. Fegan missed a free and dropped a couple of balls into the keepers hands, his passing was poor in the first half with most of his attempted diagonal balls in to the full forward line going straight to a Tipp defender.McArdle was given a yellow card in the dying minutes of the half, he was replaced by Ronan Sexton at the start of the second half.
Down started the second half like the Down of old with eight unanswered points in the first 15 minutes.  Aidan Carr hit a 45 and then a free from a bit further out, Daniel Hughes added another before Jamie O`Reilly was harshly shown a yellow. John Fegan scored a point and then O`Reilly`s replacement Cathal Magee added another. Coulter got his second of the game before Conor Maginn who had a decent game scored the point of the game and fegan added another. This left the score 0-7  –  0-15 and Down looked like they would go on and win by a big margin. But Tipp scored two quick points and could have had a couple of goals, in fact one of the chances was a one on one with McVeigh, but somehow the Tipp forward blasted wide from about 8 yards. Down were all over the place at the back and Tipp finally scored a goal which brough them to within 3 points of Down. McVeigh was well beaten. Down replied with 3 points from Hughes, Coulter and Maginn to leave it 1-09 – 0-18.
Jackie Lynch received a yellow card with after 65 minutes for what looked like a 50/50 challenge, though he had to be helped off the field, he made one great catch today, but otherwise was pretty quiet and was well off the pace. His distribution was poor. Kearney was much better and was probably Downs best player today. In defence it was the same old story, can no one teach these boys how to tackle. Paul Murphy isn't the answer at full back, he is much more at home further out the field. Howard was probably the pick of the defenders on show today. Up front it seems to be the same old story, boot it in the general direction of Benny and hope he can win it for us. Most of the ball played towards Benny and Daniel Hughes was way off target, though both players took some good scores. Daniel looked more comfortable playing in the full forward line than he does further out the field. Conditions today were quite heavy though and down played against a strong breeze in the first half. Very poor attendance, I would estimate no more than 500.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on February 01, 2009, 09:30:21 PM
Very good report there, TH.

Seems like a good performance and great to get a win but some of the same old problems - full back still a problem, tackling problematic, only one game plan with too much reliance on Benny.

Good to see Hughes doing well and scoring, possibly playing closer to goal is better for him.  Kearney must have done well also.

Overall seems like a positive start but obviously with work to do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 01, 2009, 09:39:44 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on February 01, 2009, 09:30:21 PM
Seems like a good performance and great to get a win but some of the same old problems -

I thought it was a very poor performance, very scrappy and no flow to the game at all. It was like a schools game, full of simple mistakes. Down should be blowing the likes of Tipperary out of the water, not struggling for long periods of the game.
Tipperary had players warming up all through the game, if they needed a replacement there was a man ready for action. Down received 3 yellows. On each occasion everyone on the Down bench just looked at each other, in fact Down were down to 14 men for the last few minutes of the first half and conceded 2 points. They didn't make a change until the start of the second half. I know they are only small things, but if Down are serious about promotion, they need to get everything right. It was only Tipperary today, much bigger game in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on February 01, 2009, 10:08:46 PM
Trevor Hills report is just about right. Although a little harsh on Fagan who had a good second half.
Another point I would add is that Tipperary had absolutely no ability to score from play. They were only kept in the game in the first half by accurate free taking, with the wind at their backs, from frees conceded by Down.  Against a team who could actually score from play, Down would have been in trouble.
However, a win is a win, and every league point is needed for an attempt at promotion.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on February 01, 2009, 10:30:36 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on February 01, 2009, 09:39:44 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on February 01, 2009, 09:30:21 PM
Seems like a good performance and great to get a win but some of the same old problems -

I thought it was a very poor performance, very scrappy and no flow to the game at all. It was like a schools game, full of simple mistakes. Down should be blowing the likes of Tipperary out of the water, not struggling for long periods of the game.
Tipperary had players warming up all through the game, if they needed a replacement there was a man ready for action. Down received 3 yellows. On each occasion everyone on the Down bench just looked at each other, in fact Down were down to 14 men for the last few minutes of the first half and conceded 2 points. They didn't make a change until the start of the second half. I know they are only small things, but if Down are serious about promotion, they need to get everything right. It was only Tipperary today, much bigger game in 2 weeks.

Did you ever say it was a very bad performance?  You gave you opinion on many players, alot of which were positive.  You stated the first 15 minutes where Down scored 8 unanswered points was like the Down team of old.  Offer a view on the overall play and we won't make assumptions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on February 01, 2009, 11:17:34 PM
Woopdy-f**king do, we beat a second rate tipp team, just cause we won a match dont mean were a good team, some of yous bies needa wise up, big time. The only reason we won tonight was because of B.McVeigh, made numerous saves and played fairly well. Some of  yous fella call this a good win, put that team up against Kerry and we'll see what yous have to say
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 01, 2009, 11:51:09 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on February 01, 2009, 11:17:34 PM
Woopdy-f**king do, we beat a second rate tipp team, just cause we won a match dont mean were a good team, some of yous bies needa wise up, big time. The only reason we won tonight was because of B.McVeigh, made numerous saves and played fairly well. Some of  yous fella call this a good win, put that team up against Kerry and we'll see what yous have to say

Seriously lad. Take yourself back to the Hoganstand and bring your An Riocht tinted glasses with you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 01, 2009, 11:57:13 PM
If our future performances match todays, this could be our last league win this year. Any other team in this division would have taken us apart. Tipperary were totally inept, any club team in Down would have beaten them. After today i feel really pessimistic, think we are going backwards. The lads who will be coming back will improve things somewhat,  but until we get better organisation and committment, things look bleak. I know its only February,, and its Div 3, but when we watch the pace and competiveness of most of the other teams , we are clearly lacking. Maybe its just the weather but i can take no satisfaction from this facile win. Having travelled and paid my Money, i feel entitled to critisize. I am and always will be a supporter, but will never be of a fan of the brand of football we have been playing for the past two seasons, it sucks  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 02, 2009, 12:59:26 AM
To be honest, I thought that was a fantastic result today. Ross must of been confident of beating Tipperary from the off because the starting XV was a tad makeshift.
We have the nucleus of our team to come back at various stages in the next few months and we are definitely going to improve. Im a big believer in not peaking too early and if we can continue to eek out results whilst not being at full strength then I think we are definitely on to something good.
Of the team that played today Id guess that Brendan McVeigh, Luke Howard, Aidan Carr, Paul Murphy, Danny Hughes and Benny Coulter are the only ones that will probably get their place come Championship time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 02, 2009, 01:45:15 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on February 01, 2009, 11:17:34 PM
Woopdy-f**king do, we beat a second rate tipp team, just cause we won a match dont mean were a good team, some of yous bies needa wise up, big time. The only reason we won tonight was because of B.McVeigh, made numerous saves and played fairly well. Some of  yous fella call this a good win, put that team up against Kerry and we'll see what yous have to say

Here Ned wise up will ya! what kind of supporter are u? look at the team we put out, young and experimental as someone said, a good few lds were making their debuts yesterday, and when you look at it, on paper, down hav a terrible away record this last few years in the league, like 2 wins in 10 or something like that. Down won the game, some good performance from maginn, garvey etc. 2 points on the board for us out of a possible 2. so a little optimism and faith wudnt go amiss, ya bluddy clown. as for that kerry remark, thats just ridiculous, i hardly even wana comment on it, first game of the league son, catch a grip.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on February 02, 2009, 02:27:55 PM
Any word on how the U20 A & B finals went?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on February 02, 2009, 02:34:56 PM
Burren won the A final by 4 pts in An Ríocht. They were the better side, and only for a spirited comeback by our boys, they should have won by more. Burren were a massive outfit, very big in all sectors of the pitch.

Never heard how the B final went.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on February 02, 2009, 03:17:44 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on February 02, 2009, 02:34:56 PM
Burren won the A final by 4 pts in An Ríocht. They were the better side, and only for a spirited comeback by our boys, they should have won by more. Burren were a massive outfit, very big in all sectors of the pitch.

Never heard how the B final went.

Thanks. Honestly thought by previous reports that Burren would have won by much more.
Any county U21 stars on show?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on February 02, 2009, 04:53:57 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on February 02, 2009, 03:17:44 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on February 02, 2009, 02:34:56 PM
Burren won the A final by 4 pts in An Ríocht. They were the better side, and only for a spirited comeback by our boys, they should have won by more. Burren were a massive outfit, very big in all sectors of the pitch.

Never heard how the B final went.

Thanks. Honestly thought by previous reports that Burren would have won by much more.
Any county U21 stars on show?

Burren should have won this one by a bagfull. St Marys put up a bit of a fight in the second quarter for maybe 8 minutes but were totally out of it until the dying minutes when they rallied with a deserved penalty and a couple of points but much too little, much too late. Burren were a big strong outfit and Murdock, McCartan & the McGoverns were awesome - Burren controlled midfield for all of the 2nd half while Murdock at full forward took some beautiful scores. The scoreline totally flattered St Marys who will be disappointed not to have given a better account of themselves on a day when Burren will have learnt a lesson about putting teams away. As for U.21s stars, the ones I mentioned from Burren certainly caught the eye and are already on panel. St Mary's are a relatively young team who will still be there next year but the only county U21 stars for this year were playing on the Burren team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 02, 2009, 06:06:10 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on February 02, 2009, 04:53:57 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on February 02, 2009, 03:17:44 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on February 02, 2009, 02:34:56 PM
Burren won the A final by 4 pts in An Ríocht. They were the better side, and only for a spirited comeback by our boys, they should have won by more. Burren were a massive outfit, very big in all sectors of the pitch.

Never heard how the B final went.

Thanks. Honestly thought by previous reports that Burren would have won by much more.
Any county U21 stars on show?

Burren should have won this one by a bagfull. St Marys put up a bit of a fight in the second quarter for maybe 8 minutes but were totally out of it until the dying minutes when they rallied with a deserved penalty and a couple of points but much too little, much too late. Burren were a big strong outfit and Murdock, McCartan & the McGoverns were awesome - Burren controlled midfield for all of the 2nd half while Murdock at full forward took some beautiful scores. The scoreline totally flattered St Marys who will be disappointed not to have given a better account of themselves on a day when Burren will have learnt a lesson about putting teams away. As for U.21s stars, the ones I mentioned from Burren certainly caught the eye and are already on panel. St Mary's are a relatively young team who will still be there next year but the only county U21 stars for this year were playing on the Burren team.

St. Marys only lost by 4 points so they deserve great credit. Eamon Toner was outplayed in midfield by The best player on the pitch, Miceal McCartan and he was ably assisted by Colm Kelly. is Toner not a county under 21? and Conal McGovern? they are there on their name and where they are from. fact. on yesterdays display they did not look county players. Plus Gerard McCartan is not on county under 21 panel. not stars in my eyes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 02, 2009, 06:13:24 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 01, 2009, 11:51:09 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on February 01, 2009, 11:17:34 PM
Woopdy-f**king do, we beat a second rate tipp team, just cause we won a match dont mean were a good team, some of yous bies needa wise up, big time. The only reason we won tonight was because of B.McVeigh, made numerous saves and played fairly well. Some of  yous fella call this a good win, put that team up against Kerry and we'll see what yous have to say

Seriously lad. Take yourself back to the Hoganstand and bring your An Riocht tinted glasses with you.

Everyone is entitled to there opinion and should not be told where to go no matter how long they are a member. its time Down had their sights set higher than beating Tipperary. its nothing to boast and be so happy about. A good division one team in down would beat tipp. Down should be hammering such an outfit not struggling for long periods and conceeding 1-9. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 02, 2009, 07:04:42 PM
You can only beat what is put in front of you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on February 02, 2009, 08:42:51 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 02, 2009, 06:13:24 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 01, 2009, 11:51:09 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on February 01, 2009, 11:17:34 PM
Woopdy-f**king do, we beat a second rate tipp team, just cause we won a match dont mean were a good team, some of yous bies needa wise up, big time. The only reason we won tonight was because of B.McVeigh, made numerous saves and played fairly well. Some of  yous fella call this a good win, put that team up against Kerry and we'll see what yous have to say

Seriously lad. Take yourself back to the Hoganstand and bring your An Riocht tinted glasses with you.

Everyone is entitled to there opinion and should not be told where to go no matter how long they are a member. its time Down had their sights set higher than beating Tipperary. its nothing to boast and be so happy about. A good division one team in down would beat tipp. Down should be hammering such an outfit not struggling for long periods and conceeding 1-9. 

Nice to see someone on the same wavelength as myself, MDG thanks. Sights have to be set higher the Tippeary, thats why were a division 3 team!

An Riocht won the "b" final by 4 points after extra time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 02, 2009, 10:01:05 PM
Have the league fixtures been published?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 02, 2009, 10:07:08 PM
Jus e-mailed them to you, there are no dates yet, just who you play and game weeks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 02, 2009, 11:22:30 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on February 02, 2009, 10:01:05 PM
Have the league fixtures been published?

Square Ball, could you check your PM please lad.
Title: Wee James takes Ballinderry reins
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on February 03, 2009, 01:16:35 PM
Taken from HS website

Wee James takes Ballinderry reins

Former Down star James McCartan has been appointed manager of Derry giants Ballinderry.

Wee James - an All-Ireland medalist with the Mourne County in 1991 and '94 and part of a legendary Down GAA dynasty - succeeds Michael McKinless, who led Ballinderry to county SFC glory last year.

McCartan's grandfather Briney was the first member of the famous Mourne clan to play for Down, while his father James, uncle Dan and cousin Greg Blaney are all All-Ireland winners.

Ballinderry, previous All-Ireland club champions, reached this season's Ulster club final only to lose to Crossmaglen after a replay.

McCartan was involved last year with Antrim senior champions St Gall's and also helped Queen's University to Sigerson Cup success in 2007. He has also previously managed Burren, the club he once transferred to from Tullylish.


Didn't know there was a caravan park in Ballinderry.    ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 03, 2009, 04:48:29 PM
Guys

I got a few PMs about fixtures, they are from the down site, go to your club, select fixtures and away you go, God I hope they are right. As atated there are no dates just game weeks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 03, 2009, 05:05:16 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on February 03, 2009, 04:48:29 PM
Guys

I got a few PMs about fixtures, they are from the down site, go to your club, select fixtures and away you go, God I hope they are right. As atated there are no dates just game weeks

Dates were issued to club secretaries last week in the Master fixtures list.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on February 03, 2009, 06:07:23 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on February 03, 2009, 05:05:16 PM
Dates were issued to club secretaries last week in the Master fixtures list.

If it helps (I can never understand why the master list is sent out as a word document) - here's the reformatted extract for the all-county leagues (note these are provisional at this stage as I understand it):

Fri   17-Apr   A.C.F.L. - Series 1
Mon   20-Apr   A.C.F.L. - Series 2
Fri   24-Apr   A.C.F.L. - Series 3 ****
Fri   01-May   A.C.F.L. - Series 4 ****
Fri   08-May   A.C.F.L. - Series 5 *****
Fri   15-May   A.C.F.L. - Series 6 *****
Fri   22-May   A.C.F.L. - Series 7 ****
Fri   29-May   A.C.F.L. - Series 8 ****
Fri   05-Jun   A.C.F.L. - Series 9
Fri   12-Jun   A.C.F.L. - Series 10
Fri   19-Jun   A.C.F.L. - Series 11
Fri   26-Jun   A.C.F.L. - Series 12 ****
Fri   03-Jul   A.C.F.L. - Series 13 ****
Thu   09-Jul   A.C.F.L. - Series 14 ****
Sun   26-Jul   A.C.F.L. - Series 15 ****
Thu   30-Jul   A.C.F.L. - Series 16 ****
Fri   14-Aug   A.C.F.L. - Series 17
Fri   21-Aug   A.C.F.L. - Series 18 ****
Sat   05-Sep   A.C.F.L. - Series 19 ****
Sat   26-Sep   A.C.F.L. - Series 20
Sat   03-Oct   A.C.F.L. - Series 21
Sun   11-Oct   A.C.F.L. - Series 22

***** These Games Must be Played Without County Players
****   Possibly Played Without County Players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on February 03, 2009, 06:10:00 PM
and for the hurlers:

Wed   15-Apr   A.C.H.L. - Series 1
Wed   22-Apr   A.C.H.L. - Series 2
Wed   29-Apr   A.C.H.L. - Series 3
Wed   06-May   A.C.H.L. - Series 4
Wed   13-May   A.C.H.L. - Series 5
Wed   20-May   A.C.H.L. - Series 6
Wed   10-Jun   A.C.H.L. - Series 8
Wed   17-Jun   A.C.H.L. - Series 9
Wed   24-Jun   A.C.H.L. - Series 10
Wed   01-Jul   A.C.H.L. - Series 11
Wed   12-Aug   A.C.H.L. - Series 12
Sun   16-Aug   A.C.H.L. - Series 13
Sun   23-Aug   A.C.H.L. - Series 14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on February 03, 2009, 06:34:08 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on February 03, 2009, 04:48:29 PM
Guys

I got a few PMs about fixtures, they are from the down site, go to your club, select fixtures and away you go, God I hope they are right. As atated there are no dates just game weeks

Thanks SB - I hadn't noticed that but can now see that there's fixtures there for your club and probably others but not for Saul for example - and interestingly we haven't been added in the Bredagh fixtures either. Is there a chance we've been automatically relegated or promoted and no-one has told us yet  :o     I haven't seen any fixtures lists emailed out yet so would guess that the Down website admin is practising the setup for the year - if not, someone please let us in on the secret - gently  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 03, 2009, 07:46:15 PM
Down website has gone a bit funny. The only club I can get access to in the club section is Aghaderg. I can only speculate that they are trying to put up fixtures as I speak.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on February 04, 2009, 08:45:11 AM
Lads, the website isn't worth 2 fucks at the minute. 

Can anyone post up or pm me Kilclief's football & hurling fixtures?
Title: Re: Wee James takes Ballinderry reins
Post by: Downgael2008 on February 04, 2009, 12:38:13 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on February 03, 2009, 01:16:35 PM
Taken from HS website

Wee James takes Ballinderry reins

Former Down star James McCartan has been appointed manager of Derry giants Ballinderry.

Wee James - an All-Ireland medalist with the Mourne County in 1991 and '94 and part of a legendary Down GAA dynasty - succeeds Michael McKinless, who led Ballinderry to county SFC glory last year.

McCartan's grandfather Briney was the first member of the famous Mourne clan to play for Down, while his father James, uncle Dan and cousin Greg Blaney are all All-Ireland winners.

Ballinderry, previous All-Ireland club champions, reached this season's Ulster club final only to lose to Crossmaglen after a replay.

McCartan was involved last year with Antrim senior champions St Gall's and also helped Queen's University to Sigerson Cup success in 2007. He has also previously managed Burren, the club he once transferred to from Tullylish.


Didn't know there was a caravan park in Ballinderry.    ;)


Thats a long journey for a volunteer !!  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 05:20:32 PM
Was at the QUB V UUJ game there. Its time James Colgan was back on county panel. he marked Charlie Vernon very well. some difference in Colgan than Jack Lynch or joe Ireland, the pairing that Vernon cleaned two weeks ago. Ireland never even got a run out. hear jamie orielly quit the queens squad because he never got on in McKenna cup. thats queens and loughinisland he has quit on in his career and stil only 21. and yeah he starts for Down at present. Time Ross picked the best players in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on February 04, 2009, 05:26:37 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 05:20:32 PM
Was at the QUB V UUJ game there. Its time James Colgan was back on county panel. he marked Charlie Vernon very well. some difference in Colgan than Jack Lynch or joe Ireland, the pairing that Vernon cleaned two weeks ago. Ireland never even got a run out. hear jamie orielly quit the queens squad because he never got on in McKenna cup. thats queens and loughinisland he has quit on in his career and stil only 21. and yeah he starts for Down at present. Time Ross picked the best players in Down.

Who won the game??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 04, 2009, 05:33:26 PM
uuj
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on February 04, 2009, 05:26:37 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 05:20:32 PM
Was at the QUB V UUJ game there. Its time James Colgan was back on county panel. he marked Charlie Vernon very well. some difference in Colgan than Jack Lynch or joe Ireland, the pairing that Vernon cleaned two weeks ago. Ireland never even got a run out. hear jamie orielly quit the queens squad because he never got on in McKenna cup. thats queens and loughinisland he has quit on in his career and stil only 21. and yeah he starts for Down at present. Time Ross picked the best players in Down.

Who won the game??

UUJ won 1-12 to 1-7. Paul Courtney and Joe OKane got straight reds as did UUJs Nial McKeever. Packie Downey got sent off for two yellows. he played well alongside colgan in midfield.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 04, 2009, 07:28:08 PM
Mayobridge goal of the Season 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WjT1-Me08M
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WjT1-Me08M)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on February 04, 2009, 07:33:16 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 05:20:32 PM
Was at the QUB V UUJ game there. Its time James Colgan was back on county panel. he marked Charlie Vernon very well. some difference in Colgan than Jack Lynch or joe Ireland, the pairing that Vernon cleaned two weeks ago. Ireland never even got a run out. hear jamie orielly quit the queens squad because he never got on in McKenna cup. thats queens and loughinisland he has quit on in his career and stil only 21. and yeah he starts for Down at present. Time Ross picked the best players in Down.

what club is  o reilly at now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on February 04, 2009, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on February 04, 2009, 05:26:37 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 05:20:32 PM
Was at the QUB V UUJ game there. Its time James Colgan was back on county panel. he marked Charlie Vernon very well. some difference in Colgan than Jack Lynch or joe Ireland, the pairing that Vernon cleaned two weeks ago. Ireland never even got a run out. hear jamie orielly quit the queens squad because he never got on in McKenna cup. thats queens and loughinisland he has quit on in his career and stil only 21. and yeah he starts for Down at present. Time Ross picked the best players in Down.

Who won the game??

UUJ won 1-12 to 1-7. Paul Courtney and Joe OKane got straight reds as did UUJs Nial McKeever. Packie Downey got sent off for two yellows. he played well alongside colgan in midfield.

think it was mckeever from antrim who got the line 4 uuj
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on February 04, 2009, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on February 04, 2009, 05:26:37 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 05:20:32 PM
Was at the QUB V UUJ game there. Its time James Colgan was back on county panel. he marked Charlie Vernon very well. some difference in Colgan than Jack Lynch or joe Ireland, the pairing that Vernon cleaned two weeks ago. Ireland never even got a run out. hear jamie orielly quit the queens squad because he never got on in McKenna cup. thats queens and loughinisland he has quit on in his career and stil only 21. and yeah he starts for Down at present. Time Ross picked the best players in Down.

Who won the game??

UUJ won 1-12 to 1-7. Paul Courtney and Joe OKane got straight reds as did UUJs Nial McKeever. Packie Downey got sent off for two yellows. he played well alongside colgan in midfield.

think it was mckeever from antrim who got the line 4 uuj

Yeah McKeever from Antrim got straight red and packie got two yellows.4 in total got the line. ORielly is stil at loughinisland but during 2007 season he quit his club because a selector told him to leave free kicks to the clubs first choice free taker then during a league game with clonduff and he couldnt accept it. he quit for remainder of season, league and championship and returned when the 2007 management stood down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on February 04, 2009, 08:18:22 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on February 04, 2009, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on February 04, 2009, 05:26:37 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 05:20:32 PM
Was at the QUB V UUJ game there. Its time James Colgan was back on county panel. he marked Charlie Vernon very well. some difference in Colgan than Jack Lynch or joe Ireland, the pairing that Vernon cleaned two weeks ago. Ireland never even got a run out. hear jamie orielly quit the queens squad because he never got on in McKenna cup. thats queens and loughinisland he has quit on in his career and stil only 21. and yeah he starts for Down at present. Time Ross picked the best players in Down.

Who won the game??

UUJ won 1-12 to 1-7. Paul Courtney and Joe OKane got straight reds as did UUJs Nial McKeever. Packie Downey got sent off for two yellows. he played well alongside colgan in midfield.

think it was mckeever from antrim who got the line 4 uuj

Yeah McKeever from Antrim got straight red and packie got two yellows.4 in total got the line. ORielly is stil at loughinisland but during 2007 season he quit his club because a selector told him to leave free kicks to the clubs first choice free taker then during a league game with clonduff and he couldnt accept it. he quit for remainder of season, league and championship and returned when the 2007 management stood down.

O' Reilly's attitude, in this instance, smacks of a prima donna who couldn't accept a management decision so he took his ball with him and walked home.  Hopefully Ross doesn't ask him to hit the frees, or even worse tell him not to hit them.   :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 04, 2009, 08:21:41 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on February 04, 2009, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on February 04, 2009, 05:26:37 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 05:20:32 PM
Was at the QUB V UUJ game there. Its time James Colgan was back on county panel. he marked Charlie Vernon very well. some difference in Colgan than Jack Lynch or joe Ireland, the pairing that Vernon cleaned two weeks ago. Ireland never even got a run out. hear jamie orielly quit the queens squad because he never got on in McKenna cup. thats queens and loughinisland he has quit on in his career and stil only 21. and yeah he starts for Down at present. Time Ross picked the best players in Down.

Who won the game??

UUJ won 1-12 to 1-7. Paul Courtney and Joe OKane got straight reds as did UUJs Nial McKeever. Packie Downey got sent off for two yellows. he played well alongside colgan in midfield.

think it was mckeever from antrim who got the line 4 uuj

Yeah McKeever from Antrim got straight red and packie got two yellows.4 in total got the line. ORielly is stil at loughinisland but during 2007 season he quit his club because a selector told him to leave free kicks to the clubs first choice free taker then during a league game with clonduff and he couldnt accept it. he quit for remainder of season, league and championship and returned when the 2007 management stood down.

I thought O'Reilly quit Loughinisland that time for a different reason. I heard that a Loughinisland selector questioned O'Reilly's testicular fortitude after they lost to Kilcoo in a League game. It was something along the lines that O'Reilly had a lot of relatives from Kilcoo and that he didn't have the balls to do the damage against them during the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on February 04, 2009, 08:48:44 PM
o'reilly is a good player, and if he can keep his feet on the ground and not get caught up with the spice boys - he will do well for the county.
it's disappointing to hear that he stepped down from his club because he didnt like the managers, considering that particualar management team included bundy mason - and he's a true gentleman of the gaa.

uuj had a convincing victory today over queens - good to see down lads performing well in this local derby. james colgan is certainly worth a run out with the county.

wee james heading for ballinderry, he's certainly picking up plenty of experience as a manager - i'd say in a season or two he will look to take down!!  eoin and dan will be sure of their place then...:L:L:L
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 09:07:07 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 04, 2009, 08:21:41 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on February 04, 2009, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on February 04, 2009, 05:26:37 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2009, 05:20:32 PM
Was at the QUB V UUJ game there. Its time James Colgan was back on county panel. he marked Charlie Vernon very well. some difference in Colgan than Jack Lynch or joe Ireland, the pairing that Vernon cleaned two weeks ago. Ireland never even got a run out. hear jamie orielly quit the queens squad because he never got on in McKenna cup. thats queens and loughinisland he has quit on in his career and stil only 21. and yeah he starts for Down at present. Time Ross picked the best players in Down.

Who won the game??

UUJ won 1-12 to 1-7. Paul Courtney and Joe OKane got straight reds as did UUJs Nial McKeever. Packie Downey got sent off for two yellows. he played well alongside colgan in midfield.

think it was mckeever from antrim who got the line 4 uuj

Yeah McKeever from Antrim got straight red and packie got two yellows.4 in total got the line. ORielly is stil at loughinisland but during 2007 season he quit his club because a selector told him to leave free kicks to the clubs first choice free taker then during a league game with clonduff and he couldnt accept it. he quit for remainder of season, league and championship and returned when the 2007 management stood down.

I thought O'Reilly quit Loughinisland that time for a different reason. I heard that a Loughinisland selector questioned O'Reilly's testicular fortitude after they lost to Kilcoo in a League game. It was something along the lines that O'Reilly had a lot of relatives from Kilcoo and that he didn't have the balls to do the damage against them during the game.

I am 100per cent sure he quit after the clonduff game that year. maybe the above issue was a factor to. relations or no relations, a top player or any player with the correct attitude, should have the balls to perform for your club in every game regardless of the opposition. His brother Ben does so and has a great attitude.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on February 04, 2009, 09:58:37 PM
fuk but this thread has got shite nothing but 'spice boys' and rumour clubs jaysus lads enough already.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on February 04, 2009, 10:32:51 PM
I see on the Clonduff website that Aidan Carr was the Down captain last Sunday V Tipperary

Nothing like keeping it in the family.   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 04, 2009, 10:36:06 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on February 04, 2009, 10:32:51 PM
I see on the Clonduff website that Aidan Carr was the Down captain last Sunday V Tipperary

Nothing like keeping it in the family.   ;)

Ridiculous comment of the Year nominee
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on February 04, 2009, 10:46:11 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 04, 2009, 10:36:06 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on February 04, 2009, 10:32:51 PM
I see on the Clonduff website that Aidan Carr was the Down captain last Sunday V Tipperary

Nothing like keeping it in the family.   ;)

Ridiculous comment of the Year nominee

Please explain.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on February 04, 2009, 11:15:33 PM
And what did i say not 3 weeks ago, James Colgan deserves another chance at county football, but yous said no, now that youve seen him play, yous all agree, hes better than some of the gimps we have in mf at present
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on February 05, 2009, 01:44:49 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on February 04, 2009, 09:58:37 PM
fuk but this thread has got shite nothing but 'spice boys' and rumour clubs jaysus lads enough already.....

Here Here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Open yer eyes Man on February 05, 2009, 09:37:07 AM
Taken website from Down


Down GAA is planning a Youth Convention for Saturday 21st of February to take place in the Burrendale Hotel Newcastle. The Convention will commence with registration at 9.30 am and will finish at 3.30 pm with a break for Lunch at 12.30 pm.

A Number of guest speakers have been invited and ALL clubs are asked to nominate 4 delegates to attend, 2 Male and 2 Female all of whom must be under 30.  If you are interested or know someone who may be interested inform your club secretary and get him/her to fill in the various registration forms which they have now received.

Closing date for registration is Saturday 14th of February, which will allow the County to forward further details to all of the delegates.

This will be a great opportunity for young people to debate and contribute to the future direction of the GAA in Down


Jez, our young people are very old in Down.  Surely it should be under 20 and not under 30? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on February 05, 2009, 12:43:36 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on February 04, 2009, 10:46:11 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 04, 2009, 10:36:06 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on February 04, 2009, 10:32:51 PM
I see on the Clonduff website that Aidan Carr was the Down captain last Sunday V Tipperary

Nothing like keeping it in the family.   ;)

Ridiculous comment of the Year nominee

Please explain.


carr led the team out onto the field on sunday, took the toss but didnt lead from the front. done alright against a poor side.

it seems he has been given captains tag; surely theres longer serving players who would deserve that role before him. afterall he has only become a starter since his father took over 2seasons ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 05, 2009, 12:53:29 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on February 04, 2009, 10:46:11 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 04, 2009, 10:36:06 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on February 04, 2009, 10:32:51 PM
I see on the Clonduff website that Aidan Carr was the Down captain last Sunday V Tipperary

Nothing like keeping it in the family.   ;)

Ridiculous comment of the Year nominee

Please explain.

If you had any sense I wouldn't need to explain this to you. And, since you don't have any sense I'll explain to you.

In this day and age it is highly unlikely that a player could get away with playing two seasons of intercounty football just because his dad is manager of that team.

Aidan Carr is there on merit. If he wasn't up to standard Id say the rest of the Senior panel would have had something to say about it. They havent. Simple.

Down through the years manager's who play their own sons have always been accused of nepotism. PJ O'Hare and Mick O'Dwyer are two in case.

You have the attitude of a begrudger and a dinosaur. Ross Carr is an intelligent man and I would say that he wouldnt risk his managerial reputation for making his son captain of the team just because it is his son.


PS- When we are talking about captains. This is from the Hoganstand.

Dan Gordon has been given the nod to captain Down's senior footballers for a second successive season.

Ross Carr named the Loughlinisland star as his captain on Wednesday and went on to tip Big Dan to become one of the top midfielders in Ireland.

Carr confirmed: "Dan was nominated as captain last year and will continue. It was a straightforward choice.

"When this present management team took over the job, we sat down and spoke to Dan. At that stage he was 22 or 23 and I told him that I thought he had a massive opportunity to become one of the best midfielders in the country."

The Mourne County captain is currently on the mend from a broken foot, with his return to action "in the hands of the medics and physios".



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on February 05, 2009, 01:32:56 PM
just to mention jamie - it is his choice if he wants to play for queens or not. he is training with the county so that is plenty of football for him. there are cetain down players who would not play for queens because armagh players were involved. this website i more like the hogan stand everyday.

James colgen may have played well yesterday but in my opinion he is too heavy and slow to play for the county.

delighted to hear dan is captain- heard he will be back sooner than they thought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on February 05, 2009, 05:18:43 PM
Just shows you havemt seen him play recently "islandboy", lost all the weight he had on his leges and the weight he had on him, hes leaner and meaner and is just what down need, but i hope he says no to the county, theyve treated him and John Clarke like shit in the past, and i just hope there concentrating on club football instead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 05, 2009, 05:46:21 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on February 05, 2009, 05:18:43 PM
Just shows you havemt seen him play recently "islandboy", lost all the weight he had on his leges and the weight he had on him, hes leaner and meaner and is just what down need, but i hope he says no to the county, theyve treated him and John Clarke like shit in the past, and i just hope there concentrating on club football instead

Agree from watching Colgan yesterday that he is in great shape. Down need James Colgan not average club players like ORielly etc.. Sharkey and Ben provide much more threat to oposing defences for loughinisland. they go direct to goal not like jamie who runs to the sidelines. If he cant get a look in with that queens team he is not county senior standard. after all he couldnt get a place on Down under 21 first 15 last year. we want our best players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 05, 2009, 06:15:22 PM
If your club's name begins with A or B your Senior team fixtures for the year ahead are up on the Down website. C to Z will just have to wait.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 05, 2009, 07:28:43 PM
Neiyher O  Reilly or Colgan will merit serious consideration come Summer and the men come out to play. Perhaps in the future though i have my doubts. John Clarke however should be back on the panel A.S.A.P.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 05, 2009, 08:39:52 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on February 03, 2009, 06:34:08 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on February 03, 2009, 04:48:29 PM
Guys

I got a few PMs about fixtures, they are from the down site, go to your club, select fixtures and away you go, God I hope they are right. As atated there are no dates just game weeks

Thanks SB - I hadn't noticed that but can now see that there's fixtures there for your club and probably others but not for Saul for example - and interestingly we haven't been added in the Bredagh fixtures either. Is there a chance we've been automatically relegated or promoted and no-one has told us yet  :o     I haven't seen any fixtures lists emailed out yet so would guess that the Down website admin is practising the setup for the year - if not, someone please let us in on the secret - gently  :)

I was looking at Aghadergs fixtures on the Down site and they are playing Saul in round 7 and 11, thank god I am not a fixtures secretary
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on February 06, 2009, 12:26:56 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 05, 2009, 06:15:22 PM
If your club's name begins with A or B your Senior team fixtures for the year ahead are up on the Down website. C to Z will just have to wait.
So do teams beginning with with Aor B not play teams whose names begin with C-Z  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on February 06, 2009, 09:44:09 AM
No harm to yous, but when bit comes to bit, who do you want on your Panel in the summer, Jack Lynch, or James Colgan, and dont be silly, you know it would be james colgan, he's put the work in, in the gym, on the feild and now deserves his chance of a county return, but Carke should say no to the county, cause carr's too munipulatitve to play under, to two faced to get on with (in gaa terms anyway), he dosent have the balls to ask players back that he has discarded, he gets his players to do it for him, pathetic!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on February 06, 2009, 10:22:32 AM
No harm to you Ned, but are you asking us a question, or are you telling us what our opinion should be ? Are you seriously trying to tell me that Jack Lynch or Joe Ireland dont put the "work in "?  You seem to have an intense hatred of Ross Carr. Has he wronged you in some way in the past ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on February 06, 2009, 10:37:53 AM
No, youve got me all rong TORGAEL, im just saying that from what im hearing he deserves another chance, a run out in the league, and thats was ment with no dis-respect to joe or jack. And i do not have intense hatred of Ross Carr, i have huge respect for the fella, but you gotta say what you feel, thats all!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on February 06, 2009, 10:48:46 AM
No problem Ned. I dont think anyone will criticize you for voicing your honest opinion here. I'd actually agree with you re Colgan, getting a run out in the league. The only thing is that i dont know if he is the solution to our problems at midfield, but the only way to find out is to try him there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on February 06, 2009, 12:41:41 PM
Well, he was a great Minor footballer, so i guess all we need to do is getting him back to minor form, but i think he's nearly there already, just needs a boost, no doubt playing the way he did for UUJ will help, but a recall to the county panel could do him even more good. But we need to get big ambrose and big Dan back to Midfield, and maybe try colgan at CHB in the league at somepoint? Theres quite a few possibility's that down can try, but are they willing to take the risks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The GAA on February 06, 2009, 01:04:18 PM

anyone i've talked to says colgan was poor on wednesday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 06, 2009, 04:55:43 PM
Quote from: The GAA on February 06, 2009, 01:04:18 PM

anyone i've talked to says colgan was poor on wednesday?

Well whoever wou where talking to dosent have a good knowledge of football. Colgan stuck to Vernon like glue and was very assured on the ball. gave great leadership as he usually does. be realistic guys, he is in the top 30 in Down without shadow of a doubt. What other county would drop an all ireland minor skipper, an ulster under 21 winning captain and a Sigerson winner in 2008 who also played in provincial championship who is 21 and has potential to improve. Only Down with our mediocre management. Its shocking and players who are average at club level and couldnt get on the under 21 team last year are selected.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 06, 2009, 05:01:51 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 05, 2009, 12:53:29 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on February 04, 2009, 10:46:11 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 04, 2009, 10:36:06 PM
Quote from: Open yer eyes Man on February 04, 2009, 10:32:51 PM
I see on the Clonduff website that Aidan Carr was the Down captain last Sunday V Tipperary

Nothing like keeping it in the family.   ;)

Ridiculous comment of the Year nominee

Please explain.

If you had any sense I wouldn't need to explain this to you. And, since you don't have any sense I'll explain to you.

In this day and age it is highly unlikely that a player could get away with playing two seasons of intercounty football just because his dad is manager of that team.

Aidan Carr is there on merit. If he wasn't up to standard Id say the rest of the Senior panel would have had something to say about it. They havent. Simple.

Down through the years manager's who play their own sons have always been accused of nepotism. PJ O'Hare and Mick O'Dwyer are two in case.

You have the attitude of a begrudger and a dinosaur. Ross Carr is an intelligent man and I would say that he wouldnt risk his managerial reputation for making his son captain of the team just because it is his son.


PS- When we are talking about captains. This is from the Hoganstand.

Dan Gordon has been given the nod to captain Down's senior footballers for a second successive season.

Ross Carr named the Loughlinisland star as his captain on Wednesday and went on to tip Big Dan to become one of the top midfielders in Ireland.

Carr confirmed: "Dan was nominated as captain last year and will continue. It was a straightforward choice.

"When this present management team took over the job, we sat down and spoke to Dan. At that stage he was 22 or 23 and I told him that I thought he had a massive opportunity to become one of the best midfielders in the country."

The Mourne County captain is currently on the mend from a broken foot, with his return to action "in the hands of the medics and physios".





Yes Aidan Carr is there on merit. but no way should he be captain before at least 8 more experienced players. For a player to get one run out under paddy orourke to then in two years captain the side as well as hitting frees is definatly favourtism. he is a good player but he has a great role with down due to who he is. if some other players where favoured as well they would look as good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 06, 2009, 05:27:58 PM
When Aidan Carr starts missing frees, you can give off at him being allowed to hit them. When Aidan Carr starts going missing in Croke Park, you can give off at selecting him as captain.

One thing Aidan Carr proved last year is that he is a big game player, one with bottle, who gives it all through to the end. Maybe you fellas would rather give the honour of captaincy to a longstanding underachiever - but in that case the flaw is in your thinking, not Ross Carr's.


Regarding Colgan, not having him on the panel saves the management a headache. Of course he is one of the best midfielders in Down football. But all evidence suggests he's a step below Rogers and Gordon, for now anyway. Would Colgan be willing and useful in a substitute's/backup role? I don't know. Maybe he has the personality to carry it off, but not many men who've spent their whole lives as automatic team captains adapt easily to being a bit part player. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on February 06, 2009, 05:56:06 PM
I think he would be able to cope with that, but atm Rodgers and Gordan are injured, whys colgan not startin now, or even on thepanel? Its a fukin joke, thats what our county set-up is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on February 06, 2009, 08:25:33 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on February 06, 2009, 05:56:06 PM
I think he would be able to cope with that, but atm Rodgers and Gordan are injured, whys colgan not startin now, or even on thepanel?
Now if you had stopped there, you would have opened up a good discussion and many posters would have contributed, but....
Quote from: NedFlanders on February 06, 2009, 05:56:06 PM
Its a fukin joke, thats what our county set-up is?
with that comment you cannot be taken seriously on this board, unfortunately
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 06, 2009, 08:33:43 PM
Colgan could not have been on Down's McKenna panel as he was in the UUJ squad instead. He might be better staying there until the Sigerson is over, but it would be surprising if he is not back with Down as soon as the Jordanstown season is over. He is still unproven at county level as he has only ever started one competitive match, against Armagh in the USC last summer. I thought he did reasonably well that day, after struggling in the early stages, but Ross was obviously not fully convinced and kept him on the bench for the qualifiers. He is not huge for a midfielder, but he is physically strong and definitely has leadership qualities. He can also take a score, and his long fist passes can often surprise opponents. Colgan should definitely be in ahead of Lynch before the league ends, and then it is really up to him.

However, we still only have a handful of experienced and reliable inter-county players, and Carr is most certainly one of them. He was excellent in almost every game last season, and is also one of the best free takers around. Sniping at him because his father is the manager is pretty childish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the milkman on February 06, 2009, 08:36:22 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 06, 2009, 08:25:33 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on February 06, 2009, 05:56:06 PM
I think he would be able to cope with that, but atm Rodgers and Gordan are injured, whys colgan not startin now, or even on thepanel?
Now if you had stopped there, you would have opened up a good discussion and many posters would have contributed, but....
Quote from: NedFlanders on February 06, 2009, 05:56:06 PM
Its a fukin joke, thats what our county set-up is?
with that comment you cannot be taken seriously on this board, unfortunately



Well put.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on February 06, 2009, 09:23:17 PM
Quote from: islandboy on February 05, 2009, 01:32:56 PM
just to mention jamie - it is his choice if he wants to play for queens or not. he is training with the county so that is plenty of football for him. there are cetain down players who would not play for queens because armagh players were involved. this website i more like the hogan stand everyday.

James colgen may have played well yesterday but in my opinion he is too heavy and slow to play for the county.

delighted to hear dan is captain- heard he will be back sooner than they thought.

doubt this is true but if so what a w**ker!why would you not play football because your teamates are from a neighouring/rival county??  maybe he realised he wouldnt start and made this excuse?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on February 06, 2009, 09:26:06 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on February 06, 2009, 10:37:53 AM
No, youve got me all rong TORGAEL, im just saying that from what im hearing he deserves another chance, a run out in the league, and thats was ment with no dis-respect to joe or jack. And i do not have intense hatred of Ross Carr, i have huge respect for the fella, but you gotta say what you feel, thats all!

another in depth analysis from ned ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 06, 2009, 09:39:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 06, 2009, 05:27:58 PM
When Aidan Carr starts missing frees, you can give off at him being allowed to hit them. When Aidan Carr starts going missing in Croke Park, you can give off at selecting him as captain.

One thing Aidan Carr proved last year is that he is a big game player, one with bottle, who gives it all through to the end. Maybe you fellas would rather give the honour of captaincy to a longstanding underachiever - but in that case the flaw is in your thinking, not Ross Carr's.


Regarding Colgan, not having him on the panel saves the management a headache. Of course he is one of the best midfielders in Down football. But all evidence suggests he's a step below Rogers and Gordon, for now anyway. Would Colgan be willing and useful in a substitute's/backup role? I don't know. Maybe he has the personality to carry it off, but not many men who've spent their whole lives as automatic team captains adapt easily to being a bit part player. 



Well put.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 07, 2009, 12:15:32 AM
Highlights of Tipp v Down from Thurles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0j67qz0xpU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0j67qz0xpU)

Well done to Ballyholland tonight in the South Down Scór semi finals the went through in four or five competitions as winners and another couple as runner up.  The look to have assembled a crack quiz team too!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 07, 2009, 12:55:28 PM
From what I hear Aidan the bridge quiz team was only in second gear last night.... :)

Should be a good final!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 07, 2009, 03:33:00 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 10, 2009, 01:54:24 PM
2009 Managers (Updated)


Division 1

Mayobridge - Paul Carroll
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Castlewellan - Liam Hardy
Loughinisland - Gerard Colgan
Burren - Damien Barton
Warrenpoint - Emmett McGivern Snr
Rostrevor - John Rafferty
Longstone - Frank Dawson
Liatroim - Jarlath Austin
Clonduff - Benny Corrigan
Saval - Declan Morgan


Division 2

An Riocht - Stephen Poacher
Glasdrumman - Hugh Trainor
Carryduff - PJ O'Hare
Annaclone - Steven McVeigh
Banbridge - Tony Wilson
Shamrocks - Paul Woods
Ballymartin - Johnny McComiskey
Atticall -
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Kilclief - John Kane
Ballyholland - Terry McGivern/Glen Elmore


Division 3

St Johns - Gerard McAnulty/Seamus Braniff/Donard King
Ardglass - Owen Curran/Noel Taggart
Bredagh - Kevin Blaney/Jody Gormley
Drumaness - Bill Geoghegan
Tullylish - Tom Morgan
Aghaderg -
St Pauls - Frankie Wilson
Glenn -
Saul - Jim Prior
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
Dundrum - Paul Shields
Drumgath - Mickey Linden


Division 4

Aughlisnafin - Philip McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Bosco - Paddy McEvoy
Dromara -
Mitchels -
St Michaels -
Ballykinlar - Sean McCashin
Bright - Noel Burke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 07, 2009, 04:01:40 PM
Revised fixtures issued by Sean Rooney today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 07, 2009, 04:37:19 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on February 07, 2009, 04:01:40 PM
Revised fixtures issued by Sean Rooney today.

do you have them Lecale? if so can you e-mail me them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 07, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on February 07, 2009, 04:37:19 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on February 07, 2009, 04:01:40 PM
Revised fixtures issued by Sean Rooney today.

do you have them Lecale? if so can you e-mail me them?

Ditto
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on February 07, 2009, 05:25:45 PM
At this stage, the only fixtures sent out have been the Div 1 & 2 ACFL, ACPRL 1 & 2 & ACHL 1&2. Apparently, ACFL 3 & 4 will be sent out also asap

Opening games (April 17th) are:

ACFL Div 1
Clonduff      v      Castlewellan   
Saval              v      Loughinisland   
Longstone      v      Liatroim   
Burren      v      Bryansford   
Rostrevor      v      Kilcoo   
Mayobridge      v      Warrenpoint   

ACFL Div 2
Darragh Cross   v      Clann na Banna
Shamrocks      v      Kilclief
Downpatrick   v      Annaclone
Attical      v      Ballymartin
Carryduff      v      An Riocht
Ballyholland      v      Glasdrumman
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on February 07, 2009, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: amallon on February 07, 2009, 12:15:32 AM
Highlights of Tipp v Down from Thurles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0j67qz0xpU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0j67qz0xpU)

Well done to Ballyholland tonight in the South Down Scór semi finals the went through in four or five competitions as winners and another couple as runner up.  The look to have assembled a crack quiz team too!

now now aidan, none of those mind games on here. id say mayobridge quiz team wont be far away come the final.

definitely a great performance by ballyholland, they bring a big crowd of supporters with them too. seems like a lot of effort goes in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on February 08, 2009, 01:10:41 PM
TG4 Today (Sunday)
17.40 to 18.10
GAA @ 125 BLIAIN

GAA in 1960s, which saw Down become the first Northern team to lifted the Sam Maguire Cup
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on February 08, 2009, 09:49:32 PM
Any opinions on how the county will do next sat? Or how the leagues will fair out this season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 08, 2009, 10:55:44 PM
I think the Louth game will be a tight one.We were lucky to get the win in Drogheda last year and were well beat the year before.Down had no answer to your man Paddy Keenan although I'm not sure if he's fit and I hear Darren Clarke is out,
Would like to see the Joe Ireland that played against Tyrone rather than the one who played against Queens.With all respect for effort, Jackie is not county standard but hopefully the defence will be a stronger with the injured men coming back along with Luke Howard.Plenty of options up front so the 6 in form should cause them bother.
Critical game for both counties- pity it wasn't under lights !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 08, 2009, 11:37:31 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on February 08, 2009, 10:55:44 PM
I think the Louth game will be a tight one.We were lucky to get the win in Drogheda last year and were well beat the year before.Down had no answer to your man Paddy Keenan although I'm not sure if he's fit and I hear Darren Clarke is out,
Would like to see the Joe Ireland that played against Tyrone rather than the one who played against Queens.With all respect for effort, Jackie is not county standard but hopefully the defence will be a stronger with the injured men coming back along with Luke Howard.Plenty of options up front so the 6 in form should cause them bother.
Critical game for both counties- pity it wasn't under lights !

It better be cos it starts at half 7!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on February 09, 2009, 10:04:32 PM
Just looking at the fixtures for our hurlers in div 1 for this year.  Are these confirmed, or subject to change?  Far be it for me to seem like im complaining, but we only have 1 home game in the first half of the season, and the first three weeks we are down the ards.  I knw we have to play them all eventually, (well thats the plan, but in this league its not a definite), but it does seem odd of the way it has turned out.  This wouldnt have anything to do with teams not wanting to travel to belfast?  Anyway, how do people see the leagues going this year?  I also think our footballers will have enough to go up this year. Hopefully anyway.  ny other predictions for both codes?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 11, 2009, 09:08:04 AM
Not good news -

Down pair could miss entire season
10 February 2009


Down boss Ross Carr has received troubling news for his side's Ulster championship campaign this summer, after it emerged that Mourne pair Liam Doyle and Ambrose Rogers could well miss the entire season.



Doyle, who has been a key player for Down in recent seasons at centre-back, is recovering from surgery on damaged knee ligaments and continues to attend rehab, while Rogers, who was just starting to shine for the Mourne County as an impact sub, is sidelined with the ruptured spleen he picked up in last year's championship defeat to Wexford.

Carr has also had other injury woes to try and contend with since the start of his side's National League campaign last Sunday week.

"There are a few struggling to make the championship," said Carr.

"We have Dan Gordon, Liam Doyle, Ambrose Rogers, Paul McComiskey and Declan Rooney all out injured.

"They would have been seen as championship starters. Darren O'Hanlon and Eoin McCartan are still a wee bit off as well.

"Liam Doyle, Ambrose Rogers and Darren O'Hanlon are our three long-term casualties."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: YogiBear on February 11, 2009, 10:57:50 AM
Heard yesterday that an ex-Antrim county player has joined Burren.  Apparently lives with his girlfriend down there now, wondering has anyone else heard this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 11, 2009, 11:16:03 AM
away and stir sh*t somewhere else or at least come up with some new material.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on February 11, 2009, 01:15:38 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on February 09, 2009, 10:04:32 PM
Just looking at the fixtures for our hurlers in div 1 for this year.  Are these confirmed, or subject to change?  Far be it for me to seem like im complaining, but we only have 1 home game in the first half of the season, and the first three weeks we are down the ards.  I knw we have to play them all eventually, (well thats the plan, but in this league its not a definite), but it does seem odd of the way it has turned out.  This wouldnt have anything to do with teams not wanting to travel to belfast?  Anyway, how do people see the leagues going this year?  I also think our footballers will have enough to go up this year. Hopefully anyway.  ny other predictions for both codes?

Both our teams in the leagues seem to have a reasonable smattering of home/away fixtures the first few rounds or so probably because if one's at home the other has to be away so I'd say we've no complaints there. I also see that the leagues are better spread out over the year, well that seems to be the plan whereas last year a lot of our lads lad little or no hurling during the height of summer.

don't know if anyone has issues around going to Cherryvale as we've a fair smattering of players who either work or live in Belfast and it's probably handier for them than home fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 11, 2009, 03:15:02 PM
Quote from: YogiBear on February 11, 2009, 10:57:50 AM
Heard yesterday that an ex-Antrim county player has joined Burren.  Apparently lives with his girlfriend down there now, wondering has anyone else heard this?

heard it all before, i suppose its mcgourty is it? yawwwwwwwn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on February 11, 2009, 05:44:28 PM
Quote from: YogiBear on February 11, 2009, 10:57:50 AM
Heard yesterday that an ex-Antrim county player has joined Burren.  Apparently lives with his girlfriend down there now, wondering has anyone else heard this?
Calling the young girls reputation into question.!! I mean going out with an ex Antrim player
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 11, 2009, 07:13:51 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 11, 2009, 03:15:02 PM
Quote from: YogiBear on February 11, 2009, 10:57:50 AM
Heard yesterday that an ex-Antrim county player has joined Burren.  Apparently lives with his girlfriend down there now, wondering has anyone else heard this?

heard it all before, i suppose its mcgourty is it? yawwwwwwwn.

So you are saying there is no substance to this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 12, 2009, 10:46:56 PM
With the Bridge dominating the club scene over the best part of the past 10 years and especially the SFC, who do posters think will be the team to take over their mantle?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on February 12, 2009, 10:53:18 PM
St Johns GAC are having a fundraising night in the Canal Court Hotel on 3rd April to raise funds to help rebuild the clubrooms which were destroyed in the arson attack last September.  Confirmed guests are Mickey Harte, Joe Brolly & Paddy Heaney and more to follow.  Tickets are £60 each or £500 for a table of 10.  Theme is a Question of Sport type quiz then dinner and music by Blues Brothers.

PM me for further details on this if interested.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on February 13, 2009, 09:09:58 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on February 12, 2009, 10:53:18 PM
St Johns GAC are having a fundraising night in the Canal Court Hotel on 3rd April to raise funds to help rebuild the clubrooms which were destroyed in the arson attack last September.  Confirmed guests are Mickey Harte, Joe Brolly & Paddy Heaney and more to follow.  Tickets are £60 each or £500 for a table of 10.  Theme is a Question of Sport type quiz then dinner and music by Blues Brothers.

PM me for further details on this if interested.

Any details on what the total cost will be? Will the cost not be covered by the NI office/GAA insurance - if not whats the shortfall that the Club has to raise? I understood that all GAA property was insured so it seems a terrible disgrace that the Club is left to start fundraising. Has the Club lobbied local councillors, MEPs etc for support?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on February 13, 2009, 01:31:29 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 11, 2009, 01:15:38 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on February 09, 2009, 10:04:32 PM
Just looking at the fixtures for our hurlers in div 1 for this year.  Are these confirmed, or subject to change?  Far be it for me to seem like im complaining, but we only have 1 home game in the first half of the season, and the first three weeks we are down the ards.  I knw we have to play them all eventually, (well thats the plan, but in this league its not a definite), but it does seem odd of the way it has turned out.  This wouldnt have anything to do with teams not wanting to travel to belfast?  Anyway, how do people see the leagues going this year?  I also think our footballers will have enough to go up this year. Hopefully anyway.  ny other predictions for both codes?

Both our teams in the leagues seem to have a reasonable smattering of home/away fixtures the first few rounds or so probably because if one's at home the other has to be away so I'd say we've no complaints there. I also see that the leagues are better spread out over the year, well that seems to be the plan whereas last year a lot of our lads lad little or no hurling during the height of summer.

It wasnt actually the ards teams i menat specifically as they, as far as i can remember all travelled to cherryvale last year, ports and galget definetly did, i cant remeber if crans did.  But newry, kilclief and liatroim didnt make it up the road.  Just seems a bit odd the way it has worked out.  What will the ards teams be like in div.1 this year? more of the same?

don't know if anyone has issues around going to Cherryvale as we've a fair smattering of players who either work or live in Belfast and it's probably handier for them than home fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on February 13, 2009, 01:54:17 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on February 13, 2009, 01:31:29 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 11, 2009, 01:15:38 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on February 09, 2009, 10:04:32 PM
Just looking at the fixtures for our hurlers in div 1 for this year.  Are these confirmed, or subject to change?  Far be it for me to seem like im complaining, but we only have 1 home game in the first half of the season, and the first three weeks we are down the ards.  I knw we have to play them all eventually, (well thats the plan, but in this league its not a definite), but it does seem odd of the way it has turned out.  This wouldnt have anything to do with teams not wanting to travel to belfast?  Anyway, how do people see the leagues going this year?  I also think our footballers will have enough to go up this year. Hopefully anyway.  ny other predictions for both codes?

Both our teams in the leagues seem to have a reasonable smattering of home/away fixtures the first few rounds or so probably because if one's at home the other has to be away so I'd say we've no complaints there. I also see that the leagues are better spread out over the year, well that seems to be the plan whereas last year a lot of our lads lad little or no hurling during the height of summer.


don't know if anyone has issues around going to Cherryvale as we've a fair smattering of players who either work or live in Belfast and it's probably handier for them than home fixtures.


It wasnt actually the ards teams i menat specifically as they, as far as i can remember all travelled to cherryvale last year, ports and galget definetly did, i cant remeber if crans did.  But newry, kilclief and liatroim didnt make it up the road.  Just seems a bit odd the way it has worked out.  What will the ards teams be like in div.1 this year? more of the same?

If you've 7 away fixtures out of 8 then that is strange and not purely random, has Mr Blaney asked for a review.

After a quick review so mistakes can be made:


Liatroim, Shamrocks, Ballygalget and Warrenpoint have 5 home, 3 away
Ballela, Portaferry, Kilclief have 4 home and 4 away
Ballycran have 3 home and 5 away
Bredagh have 1 home and 7 away

To the untrained eye people will suggest that you'll have all your home fixtures during the reverse fixtures but the dogs on the streets know that certain teams aren't good at travelling especially when they've nothing to play for later in the year

Has Bredagh pissed someone off perchance?  ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on February 13, 2009, 02:12:21 PM
I dont know? have we? im really not sure.  I think we have put some sort of appeal, or whatever it is teams do in a situation like this.  That is exactly what we are worried about.  Teams wouldnt travel to us in the first half of the season, never mind in the 2nd half when there may not be a lot to pay for.  Though i think if people enjoy playing then it should be reason enough to turn up.  How are we meant to promote hurling in our club if there are never any games for people to come and watch. I dont know, just a bit odd i guess.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 13, 2009, 04:16:08 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on February 11, 2009, 07:13:51 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 11, 2009, 03:15:02 PM
Quote from: YogiBear on February 11, 2009, 10:57:50 AM
Heard yesterday that an ex-Antrim county player has joined Burren.  Apparently lives with his girlfriend down there now, wondering has anyone else heard this?

heard it all before, i suppose its mcgourty is it? yawwwwwwwn.

So you are saying there is no substance to this?

Burren creating a stir again. such a nice close nit community team aren't they! :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Double Cross on February 13, 2009, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 13, 2009, 04:16:08 PM
Burren creating a stir again. such a nice close nit community team aren't they! :)

I think you`ll find the "rumour" wasnt started by anyone from Burren, more likely someone who would be more at home on hoganstand  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on February 13, 2009, 05:12:16 PM
Folks, our club, Clann na Banna, are holding a bit of a fundraiser next Sunday afternoon. We are running a Texas Hold Em tournament in O'Reillys bar (formerly Jamies), Peggys loaning, Banbridge. Poker starts at 3pm. It shoudl be a good afternoons craic, so if anyone is free and interested why dont you come along and support a local club, have a bitta banter, a few scoops and ya might even win a bit of cash  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on February 13, 2009, 09:34:16 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on February 13, 2009, 09:09:58 AM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on February 12, 2009, 10:53:18 PM
St Johns GAC are having a fundraising night in the Canal Court Hotel on 3rd April to raise funds to help rebuild the clubrooms which were destroyed in the arson attack last September.  Confirmed guests are Mickey Harte, Joe Brolly & Paddy Heaney and more to follow.  Tickets are £60 each or £500 for a table of 10.  Theme is a Question of Sport type quiz then dinner and music by Blues Brothers.

PM me for further details on this if interested.

Any details on what the total cost will be? Will the cost not be covered by the NI office/GAA insurance - if not whats the shortfall that the Club has to raise? I understood that all GAA property was insured so it seems a terrible disgrace that the Club is left to start fundraising. Has the Club lobbied local councillors, MEPs etc for support?

Dont know the details myself but I would assume you could not depend on insurance money to rebuild the clubrooms.  The clubrooms, although a great setup for a small rural club, were 20 years old so to build a modern facility there would have to be a significant level of fundraising to build something suitable for the current era. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 13, 2009, 09:48:29 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 13, 2009, 01:54:17 PM
Has Bredagh pissed someone off perchance?  ;D


The fixtures have been changed. It was accepted fairly quickly by all concerned that Bredagh had got the short end of the stick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 14, 2009, 12:30:19 AM
Quote from: Double Cross on February 13, 2009, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 13, 2009, 04:16:08 PM
Burren creating a stir again. such a nice close nit community team aren't they! :)

I think you`ll find the "rumour" wasnt started by anyone from Burren, more likely someone who would be more at home on hoganstand  ;)

haha i know im only winding them! still must have originated not far from a burren mouth  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 14, 2009, 01:48:03 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 12, 2009, 10:46:56 PM
With the Bridge dominating the club scene over the best part of the past 10 years and especially the SFC, who do posters think will be the team to take over their mantle?


If teams believe they can beat the bridge then it will happen. Kilcoo showed that in the league final last year. I only think there is 3 teams that can potentially overcome their dominance. Burren, Longstone and Kilcoo. Teams like Rostrevor, Castlewellan and Bryansford can cause a shock but have not the same consistency as the above 3. The stone where very unlucky with injuries last year while Burren took Loughinisland for granted in the simi final which cost them. Kilcoo lost a man against Burren and the extra man made all the difference in that replayed quarter final. The Bridge have avoided these 3 teams in the early rounds of the championship in recent years and have scrapped through the early rounds against average opposition. I think if they get Kilcoo, Burren or the stone in first round or quarter final then they will be defeated and it will make for an intriguing championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 14, 2009, 04:54:41 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 14, 2009, 01:48:03 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 12, 2009, 10:46:56 PM
With the Bridge dominating the club scene over the best part of the past 10 years and especially the SFC, who do posters think will be the team to take over their mantle?


If teams believe they can beat the bridge then it will happen. Kilcoo showed that in the league final last year. I only think there is 3 teams that can potentially overcome their dominance. Burren, Longstone and Kilcoo. Teams like Rostrevor, Castlewellan and Bryansford can cause a shock but have not the same consistency as the above 3. The stone where very unlucky with injuries last year while Burren took Loughinisland for granted in the simi final which cost them. Kilcoo lost a man against Burren and the extra man made all the difference in that replayed quarter final. The Bridge have avoided these 3 teams in the early rounds of the championship in recent years and have scrapped through the early rounds against average opposition. I think if they get Kilcoo, Burren or the stone in first round or quarter final then they will be defeated and it will make for an intriguing championship.

I have the upmost respect for the Mayobridge club and the feats achieved by their Senior team over the past decade. However, it is very unlikely that they will be able to sustain this high level of achievement for much longer.

I can see them taking the 2009 SFC and possibly do the same in 2010. Yet, there must be some team, somewhere within the SFC that will be able to unlock them.

Personally, I cant see Kilcoo being that team. Now, this seems like a very poor reason but Kilcoo's lack of height in most departments has severely limited their Plan B options in my mind. Also, anytime I have seen them in the Championship, they seem intent on niggly stuff and usually after a red card or two they hit the self destruct button. However, the big plus side for them is that in two to three years they will have a whole new breed of players coming through that know how to win Championships and win them well. Id say in about five years Kilcoo will be the team to beat.

Of the other contenders, you would be looking to the likes of Burren, Rostrevor, Longstone, Bryansford, Clonduff and Castlewellan. Now for what its worth I would think that only Longstone and Bryansford would be realistically capable of taking the SFC.

An injury free Longstone first XV is a very exciting prospect and id say they would have learnt a lot from their 2007 exploits.The key for them is keeping Dawson in place and with at least two highly rated players making the step up from Minors each year, I think they are the team to finally take the Bridge's crown.

Bryansford are worthy contenders as well for another SFC. McGrath generally works wonders with any club he puts his hands to. 2009 may be a year too early but with the bulk of the 2003 winning team about to hit their peak, the Ford will definitely be there or thereabouts in the next few years.

I still think the Bridge will win it again this year and this bunch of players will want to give Ulster a better stab at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 14, 2009, 05:14:55 PM
From downgaa.net

Glasdrumman defeated Kildare side Rathangan by one point in the opening game of Celebrity Bainisteoir 2009.

Unlike the real GAA world - you only have one chance, so that is the end of the road for the Kildare side while the Down side go into the next round. 

Rathangan were managed by Kildare town man Ray Darcy and mentored by Jack OShea, while Glasdrumman manager was Derek Davis and his mentor was 1991 and 1994 All Ireland Winning manager Pete McGrath.

They semi finals are scheduled for April and the final will take place in May at Parnell Park.

The other participants are Sneem (Kerry), Cuala (Dublin), St. Patricks (Limerick), Dromahair (Leitrim), st. Michaels (Roscommon), Rockwell Rovers (Tipperary).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on February 14, 2009, 07:25:38 PM
Anyone know of any radio stations broadcasting the game tonight have to work and cant get to newry 1st game ive missed in 3 years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on February 14, 2009, 07:41:17 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 14, 2009, 05:14:55 PM
Glasdrumman defeated Kildare side Rathangan by one point in the opening game of Celebrity Bainisteoir 2009.

Unlike the real GAA world - you only have one chance, so that is the end of the road for the Kildare side while the Down side go into the next round. 

Rathangan were managed by Kildare town man Ray Darcy and mentored by Jack OShea, while Glasdrumman manager was Derek Davis and his mentor was 1991 and 1994 All Ireland Winning manager Pete McGrath.

They semi finals are scheduled for April and the final will take place in May at Parnell Park.

The other participants are Sneem (Kerry), Cuala (Dublin), St. Patricks (Limerick), Dromahair (Leitrim), st. Michaels (Roscommon), Rockwell Rovers (Tipperary).



Where does Pete get the time ?? Bryansford, Down u21, Sportstracker ??

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 14, 2009, 08:54:03 PM
Re Celebrity Banisteoir ; Rathangan V Glasdrumman -Without giving away anything more than DF already has, do NOT miss this game when it is on RTE
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 14, 2009, 11:33:47 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on February 14, 2009, 08:54:03 PM
Re Celebrity Banisteoir ; Rathangan V Glasdrumman -Without giving away anything more than DF already has, do NOT miss this game when it is on RTE

When are RTE broadcasting it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 15, 2009, 12:57:42 AM
RTE have not confirmed the dates yet, but it should be starting soon and presumably will still be at 6.30pm every Sunday. The Glasdrumman game had absolutely everything, and it will be essential viewing. A small club with a big heart can go a long way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 15, 2009, 11:24:36 PM
Anyone know throw in time for under 21 game in newry tomorrow night against Tyrone?
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 16, 2009, 11:13:08 AM
Well done to Aidan Mallon and the bridge quiz team last night in the South Down Final....yiz got your revenge ;)

See you in Saval in a fortnight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 16, 2009, 11:41:00 AM
Yes we got the rub of the green last night but winning the South Down has always been a jinx for us.  This is the 4th time we've won it and never ended up winning the county in any of those years.  When we were runners up in South Down we did win the county title!

Do you remember the list of winners?

                   Winners   &  Runners Up
Ceili Dancing:
Solo Singing:
Instrumental Music:  ?? & Mayobridge
Recitation: ??, Paddy Duffy (Mayobridge)
Novelty Act: Ballyholland & Clonduff
Ballad Group:
Set Dancing: Clonduff (Football), Clonduff (Camogie)
Quiz: Mayobridge & Ballyholland

Another full house, pair dues to Saval they have some setup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 16, 2009, 11:48:28 AM
Quote from: amallon on February 16, 2009, 11:41:00 AM
Yes we got the rub of the green last night but winning the South Down has always been a jinx for us.  This is the 4th time we've won it and never ended up winning the county in any of those years.  When we were runners up in South Down we did win the county title!

Do you remember the list of winners?

                   Winners   &  Runners Up
Ceili Dancing:Ballyholland and Saval
Solo Singing: Donyt know the winner, Ballyholland second
Instrumental Music:  Tullylish& Mayobridge
Recitation: ??, Paddy Duffy (Mayobridge)
Novelty Act: Ballyholland & Clonduff
Ballad Group: Rostrevor and Glenn
Set Dancing: Clonduff (Football), Clonduff (Camogie)
Quiz: Mayobridge & Ballyholland

Another full house, pair dues to Saval they have some setup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 16, 2009, 12:40:34 PM
There were a couple of new awards for most improved club etc.  Who got these?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 16, 2009, 01:17:52 PM
I didn't think I'd ever say this, but I'm looking forward to some good old hurling chat on the Down thread. Anything but Scor :-(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on February 16, 2009, 01:42:04 PM
County footballers had a great win in Newry on Saturday, they maybe didn't deserve it but they got it, they got away with letting a 5 point lead slip, there getting a bit of luck now, maybe this could be the year for a Promotion push? Also, Brendan McVeigh, man of the match, saved down on a number of occasions, not to mention saving a late penalty ;)Aidan Carr also scored a couple of splendid frees and Benny, as always, looked sharp. Great to see big Dan Gordan and wee Paul McComilsky back again, if down going win anything they need captin Dan fit all year, Big Jackie Lynch had a powerful game too. But again down looked poor going forward, need a bit strength in the forward line, maybe John Clarke? I'm just saying that maybe it wouldn't hurt to put personal differences aside, players should be played on Merit.! Fair play to the team and management on a great win over an in-form Louth team!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 16, 2009, 04:17:27 PM
Quote from: amallon on February 16, 2009, 12:40:34 PM
There were a couple of new awards for most improved club etc.  Who got these?

We got the Senior award and St Michaels got the junior...there was another award but I dont know who won it or what it was for...


Quote from: thewobbler on February 16, 2009, 01:17:52 PM
I didn't think I'd ever say this, but I'm looking forward to some good old hurling chat on the Down thread. Anything but Scor :-(

Wheres your culture Wobbs??....and you a past participant ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 16, 2009, 04:34:59 PM
Any Ballyholland south Scór Sinsear Down club of the year! tut tut Wobbler.  Here is some more Scór news for you

THREE NEW CUPS PRESENTED AT SOUTH DOWN SCÓR FINALS
Saval Sports and Leisure Centre was packed to capacity on Sunday evening past for the finals of the South Down GAA Senior Scór competitions.
The capacity audience enjoyed four hours of music, song, dance and novelty and a feature was the presentation to the South Down GAA Board of three new memorial cups for the best in Scór na nÓg, Senior Scór, and Best Overall in South Down.
The Ceili Dancing section was keenly contested between the teams from Ballyholland, Clonduff, Saval and Glasdrumman with Ballyholland, fielding all-Ireland some of the winners from 25 years previously, beating Saval into second spot.
In the Solo Singing competition, James Brennan from Rostrevor and Siobhan McGivern proceeded to the next round in that order and in Instrumental Music with Tullylish, Drumgath, Mayobridge and Rostrevor in contention, Tullylish emerged in first place with the 'Bridge second.  This competition was of a very high standard as well and could have gone either way because there would have been little to choose between the four teams on stage on the night.
Recitation was next with Declan McConaghy from Glenn and Paddy Duffy from Mayobridge getting the nod in that order over Clonduff's Sean Downey and Claire McCartan from Attical.
The Ballad Group competition is always eagerly awaited and this time it was no different.  Rostrevor, Glenn, Ballyholland and Glasdrumman were competing with the Rostrevor and Glenn coming out on top.
In Novelty Acts, Clonduff with a very Irish twist on the recent presidential election result in the US pipped it over an equally enjoyable Ballyholland act which dealt with the proliferation of rural bachelordom and the efforts of the local curate to get his flock married off, resulting in much confusion amongst the farmers concerned.
The Attical and Rostrevor Novelty acts dealt with marriage (again) and the making of illegal whiskey and probably in any other year would have had no trouble getting through to the next round.
Clonduff fielded two teams in the Set Dancing with their football representatives coming out on top.  Rostrevor were second and we also had wonderful dancing exhibitions from both Warrenpoint and the Clonduff Camogie representatives who must wait another year.
In the Quiz Mayobridge won through over Ballyholland and once again took possession of the Gerry Fitzmaurice Quiz trophy.  The other teams in the competition were Longstone and Glenn.
Following the Interval the audience was entertained by the Saul Scór na nÓg Ballad Group who represent Down and Ulster this Saturday 21st February at the All-Ireland Scór na nÓg finals in Athlone.
In conclusion, Chairman William Smith thanked the competitors, adjudicators and audiences for their support. He offered Best Wishes to the young Saul Ballad Group who take on the winners  from the other three provinces in Athlone next Saturday and promised them full support from south Down;  he thanked the families who presented the perpetual cups; The Sands family from Saval who presented a cup in memory of their son Cathal who was a Scór na nÓg recitation champion in 1992 and 1993; The McCormack family of Warrenpoint who presented a cup in memory of their mother Moya who dedicated her life to the promotion of Scór and Set Dancing in particular and to the Keenan Family from Mayobridge who presented a cup in memory of husband and father Peter who was South Down Scór chairman right up to the time of his death five years ago and who spent most of his life promoting Irish culture both inside and outside the GAA.
Bean a Ti was Ann Lennon from Saval and quiz master was John Devanney from Bredagh
Results:
Ceili Dancing:       Ballyholland and Saval
Solo Singing:      James Brennan Rostrevor, Siobhan McGivern Ballyholland
Instrumental Music:   Tullylish and Mayobridge
Recitation:      Declan McConaghy Glenn and Paddy Duffy Mayobridge
Ballad Groups:      Rostrevor and Glenn
Novelty acts:      Clonduff and Ballyholland
Set Dancing:      Clonduff and Rostrevor
Quiz:         Mayobridge and Ballyholland
Perpetual Trophies: Cathal Sands Memorial Cup for Best South Down Scór na nÓg club 2009; presented by Michael & Lily Sands: Winning club: St Michaels.
Moya McCormack Memorial Cup for Best South Down Scór Sinsear club 2009; presented by Feargal & Roisin McCormack: Winning club: Ballyholland.
Peter Keenan Memorial Cup for Best Overall South Down Scór club 2009; presented by Evelyn and Nichole Keenan: Winning club: Rostrevor.
The East Down Final takes place this Sunday in Dromara with the County final again in Saval on 1st March.

(By Gerry Quinn the Mayobridge one)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 16, 2009, 10:19:22 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on February 11, 2009, 07:13:51 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 11, 2009, 03:15:02 PM
Quote from: YogiBear on February 11, 2009, 10:57:50 AM
Heard yesterday that an ex-Antrim county player has joined Burren.  Apparently lives with his girlfriend down there now, wondering has anyone else heard this?

heard it all before, i suppose its mcgourty is it? yawwwwwwwn.

So you are saying there is no substance to this?

I would be saying that, yes. Because that story seems to come up every once and a while. Althoiugh given Burrens experience with transfer windows, you never know, i could be proved wrong one of these days..........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 16, 2009, 10:27:42 PM
Went to the u21 game there this evening. Was very impressed with the way they played their football, alot of slick passages of play and some good scores taken. In the forward line, young Conor Poland was very good, taking one excellent high catch, one that Kyle Coney would be proud of :P ..but for me, Conor Maginn was outstanding at number 10. The lad is a top class passer of the ball, and does his fair share of tackling and tracking back also. No wonder there has been so many good reports about him recently. And with the team not even at full strength yet, I would be confident that Down u21s can retain an Ulster title.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 16, 2009, 11:02:11 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 16, 2009, 10:27:42 PM
Went to the u21 game there this evening. Was very impressed with the way they played their football, alot of slick passages of play and some good scores taken. In the forward line, young Conor Poland was very good, taking one excellent high catch, one that Kyle Coney would be proud of :P ..but for me, Conor Maginn was outstanding at number 10. The lad is a top class passer of the ball, and does his fair share of tackling and tracking back also. No wonder there has been so many good reports about him recently. And with the team not even at full strength yet, I would be confident that Down u21s can retain an Ulster title.

Was also at the game tonight and thought Down played well. wouldnt get carried away though as Tyrone where understrength while Down where only without Murney and ORielly. Thought Kyle Coney and Jason McAnula where great for Tyrone, never stopped working. Mark Digney and Timmy Hanna where Downs best defenders whle Peter Fitzpatrick played well in midfield. Up front Conor Poland, Maginn and Eamon Toner where outstanding while Paul McComiskey looked sharp when introduced.Ryan Boyle should be told to stop attacking, missed four easy scoring chances while Damian Turleys Passing went astray too often. If Down could improve their half back line they will be hard to beat. Down team and scorers where,

1 K Gordan
2 M Digney
3 N Higgins
4 R Boyle 0-1
5 J Murphy
6 C Coffey
7 T Hanna
8 P Fitzpatrick 0-1
9 D Turley
10 C Maginn 1-1
11 M Magee 0-2
12 C Magee
13 P Devlin 0-1
14 E Toner 0-3
15 C Poland 0-6.

Subs :

L Byrne for Coffey (first half)
P McComiskey for Devlin (half time)
R Mallon for Maginn (second half)
C Slevin for Conor Magee (second half)
C McGovern for Poland (second half).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on February 17, 2009, 09:16:19 AM
what was the score?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on February 17, 2009, 12:03:04 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 16, 2009, 10:27:42 PM
Went to the u21 game there this evening. Was very impressed with the way they played their football, alot of slick passages of play and some good scores taken. In the forward line, young Conor Poland was very good, taking one excellent high catch, one that Kyle Coney would be proud of :P ..but for me, Conor Maginn was outstanding at number 10. The lad is a top class passer of the ball, and does his fair share of tackling and tracking back also. No wonder there has been so many good reports about him recently. And with the team not even at full strength yet, I would be confident that Down u21s can retain an Ulster title.

I have seen Maginn a few times this year and i dont think he is our answer at number 11 !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 17, 2009, 12:08:58 PM
who is the answer, with Martin Clarke elsewhere and Michael Walsh busy rubbin up Kevin Bell, who on the squad is goin to wear No 11 when it matters most. Would say mc kernan is best bet but he is almost too dynamic for steady ball-playing-playmaker type role and is best utilised elsewhere i think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on February 17, 2009, 12:16:01 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on February 17, 2009, 12:08:58 PM
who is the answer, with Martin Clarke elsewhere and Michael Walsh busy rubbin up Kevin Bell, who on the squad is goin to wear No 11 when it matters most. Would say mc kernan is best bet but he is almost too dynamic for steady ball-playing-playmaker type role and is best utilised elsewhere i think.

I seen him play for Queens and on saturday evening and he hasn't impressed me but a few lads from the Bridge who have played with him say he is a good player... We need a settled full-back, Centre half back and centre half forward soon!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 17, 2009, 02:49:36 PM
Bring back Dan Mc Cartan for Full Back, Murphy at No6 and Aidan Carr at No11.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: YogiBear on February 17, 2009, 04:05:49 PM
Sure hold on there brick we will bring ould James and Paddy Mo back as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 17, 2009, 06:10:07 PM
Michael Walsh is the best number 11 in Down by a street. If he could stay injury free and Ross swallowed his pride then he should be given a few games in league. Benny plays far better with Walsh as playmaker. why have they won 8 out of ten Down titles? Maginn is a better wing forward but definatly not the answer at senior level yet, he is a young lad and should be given time. Aidan Carr is far better at wing back rather than havin his back to goals. Ross has tried Sexton, Murtagh, Aidan in his first year, McKernan and now Maginn among others at times and only McKernan has showed he is capable consistently to date.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 17, 2009, 08:59:17 PM
The only players capable of playing no. 11 in the county are Walsh & Clarke (both out of favour).
In their absence I certainly wouldn't rule out Hugh Davey.
Carr, while he lacks a tackle, is better coming onto the ball from half back - I've alwyas like him as a player and in that position and he is now growng to full potentail there.
DMCC at full back is a NO. Too many fouls. If big Louis Sloan hasn't made it, stcik with Rooney.
In other roles. for me, McKernan is over-rated and Maginn needs a year more, but will be mighty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on February 17, 2009, 10:38:20 PM
Hugh davey isnt our answer to chf, and considering the number of fellas who have been tried in that role its very obvious that the no-one on the panel is up to the job at present.
carr isnt suited to any of the central roles as he lacks the physical ability required.  connor maginn has had rave reviews but having watched him on saturday night, he seems more intersted in fighting than playing ball.
big jackie tried hard on saturday night, but the verbal personal abuse by fans was totally uncalled for!!


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 17, 2009, 11:24:52 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 16, 2009, 11:02:11 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 16, 2009, 10:27:42 PM
Went to the u21 game there this evening. Was very impressed with the way they played their football, alot of slick passages of play and some good scores taken. In the forward line, young Conor Poland was very good, taking one excellent high catch, one that Kyle Coney would be proud of :P ..but for me, Conor Maginn was outstanding at number 10. The lad is a top class passer of the ball, and does his fair share of tackling and tracking back also. No wonder there has been so many good reports about him recently. And with the team not even at full strength yet, I would be confident that Down u21s can retain an Ulster title.

Was also at the game tonight and thought Down played well. wouldnt get carried away though as Tyrone where understrength while Down where only without Murney and ORielly. Thought Kyle Coney and Jason McAnula where great for Tyrone, never stopped working. Mark Digney and Timmy Hanna where Downs best defenders whle Peter Fitzpatrick played well in midfield. Up front Conor Poland, Maginn and Eamon Toner where outstanding while Paul McComiskey looked sharp when introduced.Ryan Boyle should be told to stop attacking, missed four easy scoring chances while Damian Turleys Passing went astray too often. If Down could improve their half back line they will be hard to beat. Down team and scorers where,

1 K Gordan
2 M Digney
3 N Higgins
4 R Boyle 0-1
5 J Murphy
6 C Coffey
7 T Hanna
8 P Fitzpatrick 0-1
9 D Turley
10 C Maginn 1-1
11 M Magee 0-2
12 C Magee
13 P Devlin 0-1
14 E Toner 0-3
15 C Poland 0-6.

Subs :

L Byrne for Coffey (first half)
P McComiskey for Devlin (half time)
R Mallon for Maginn (second half)
C Slevin for Conor Magee (second half)
C McGovern for Poland (second half).


Your probably right, a bit niave of me maybe. It is only early to be making such a statement. But I would say that the 2 oreillys would be back in that forward line.. And I would definatly agree with what you said about that corner back. There was one time especially, big magee was in a pile of room, simple pass for a goal, but he shot himself and missed. Someone should tell him what number he has on his back. Im all for attacking defenders ok, but he was surely taking the piss. I know for sure, if i was playing cf, marking him would be a nightmare!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 17, 2009, 11:28:09 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on February 17, 2009, 09:16:19 AM
what was the score?

Down won by 5 maybe...

1.17 to 1.12... dont remember for sure. Left a wee bit early.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 17, 2009, 11:42:06 PM
Aidan Carr used to do a great job for Down at u21 level at number 11. Hes a good passer of the ball and he knows about space and movement. He can spray balls into the inside forwards and he wont clutter up the place. Plus his improved defensive skills could only be a help in their half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on February 17, 2009, 11:44:41 PM
Div 3 and Div 4 fixtures released. First games are (April 17th) :

Div 3
Dundrum      v  Tullylish
Ardglass        v  Bredagh
Drumaness    v  Saul
St Pauls        v  Aghaderg
Glenn           v  Teconnaught
St Johns       v  Drumgath

Div 4
St Michaels    v  Aughlisnafinn
Ballykinlar       v Bright
Dromara        v Mitchels
St John Bosco    Bye         
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on February 18, 2009, 11:48:05 AM
big jackie tried hard on saturday night, but the verbal personal abuse by fans was totally uncalled for!!

Totally agree with this.  I heard it myself!! The man is doing his best.  The management obviously pick him for a reason.  He should not be getting personal abuse no matter what. 

Good to see Big Dan back and McComiskey back.

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on February 18, 2009, 12:15:03 PM
Quote from: andunabu on February 18, 2009, 11:48:05 AM
big jackie tried hard on saturday night, but the verbal personal abuse by fans was totally uncalled for!!

Totally agree with this.  I heard it myself!! The man is doing his best.  The management obviously pick him for a reason.  He should not be getting personal abuse no matter what. 

Good to see Big Dan back and McComiskey back.

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Thought big Jack played ok on sat night, bit unlucky to be taken off, was getting in the mix and throwing himself about. He shouldnt receive any abuse nor should any other player, people have to remember these lads are only amateurs!

Would like to see Mccomiskey in at left half forward maybe Dan at centre half forward for a few games! Dont know about Maginn, McArdle and OReilly, dont think they are county standard yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 18, 2009, 05:50:40 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 17, 2009, 11:42:06 PM
Aidan Carr used to do a great job for Down at u21 level at number 11. Hes a good passer of the ball and he knows about space and movement. He can spray balls into the inside forwards and he wont clutter up the place. Plus his improved defensive skills could only be a help in their half.

Add to that winning the Sigerson with QUB at number 11, when he was an integral part of the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 19, 2009, 01:27:03 PM
Senior Fixtures for 2009



Div 3 2009

Round One
Dundrum v Tullylish
Ardglass v Bredagh
Drumaness v Saul
St Pauls v Aghaderg
Glenn v Teconnaught
St Johns v Drumgath

Round Two
Tullylish v Ardglass
Bredagh v Dundrum
Saul v St Pauls
Aghaderg v Drumaness
Teconnaught v St Johns
Drumgath v Glenn

Round Three
Dundrum v Saul
Ardglass v Aghaderg
St Pauls v Drumgath
Drumaness v Teconnaught
Glenn v Tullylish
St Johns v Bredagh

Round Four
Tullylish v Drumaness
Bredagh v St Pauls
Saul v Glenn
Aghaderg v St Johns
Teconnaught v Dundrum
Drumgath v Ardglass


Round Five
St Johns v Saul
Dundrum v Aghaderg
Ardglass v Teconnaught
Drumaness v Drumgath
St Pauls v Tullylish
Glenn v Bredagh


Round Six
Tullylish v St Johns
Bredagh v Drumaness
Saul v Ardglass
Aghaderg v Glenn
Teconnaught v St Pauls
Drumgath v Dundrum





Round Seven
Glenn v St Pauls
Drumaness v Ardglass
Dundrum v St Johns
Teconnaught v Aghaderg
Saul v Bredagh
Tullylish v Drumgath


Round Eight
Ardglass v Glenn
Drumgath v Saul
Bredagh v Teconnaught
St Pauls v Dundrum
St Johns v Drumaness
Aghaderg v Tullylish


Round Nine
Dundrum v Ardglass
Glenn v Drumaness
St Pauls v St Johns
Tullylish v Bredagh
Saul v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v Drumgath

Round Ten
Drumaness v Dundrum
Glenn v St Johns
Ardglass v St Pauls
Saul v Tullylish
Bredagh v Aghaderg
Teconnaught v Drumgath


Round Eleven
St Johns v Ardglass
Dundrum v Glenn
St Pauls v Drumaness
Drumgath v Bredagh
Tullylish v Teconnaught
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on February 19, 2009, 03:28:26 PM
i read in matt's chat last night the county powers that be are going to debate on bringing back the compulsary buying by clubs off 70 tickets at £60 each, it will then be up to the clubs to sell them to their members or face losing out on the money themselves, this is a great way for the county board to get money into the coffers but very hard on the clubs, as it will be up to them to get/put pressure on their members to cough up the money, which in the current economic climate, whith memberships and insurance rising is going to see people turning their backs on GAA, and will bring back the (Grab all Association remarks).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on February 19, 2009, 04:03:34 PM
Quote from: off the laces on February 19, 2009, 03:28:26 PM
i read in matt's chat last night the county powers that be are going to debate on bringing back the compulsary buying by clubs off 70 tickets at £60 each, it will then be up to the clubs to sell them to their members or face losing out on the money themselves, this is a great way for the county board to get money into the coffers but very hard on the clubs, as it will be up to them to get/put pressure on their members to cough up the money, which in the current economic climate, whith memberships and insurance rising is going to see people turning their backs on GAA, and will bring back the (Grab all Association remarks).
Ah, the good ole county draw which nay still work as long as there are decent prizes plus clubs are rewarded for selling their quotas and more and I'm not talking about a set of free jerseys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on February 19, 2009, 06:01:12 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on February 16, 2009, 01:42:04 PM
County footballers had a great win in Newry on Saturday, they maybe didn't deserve it but they got it, they got away with letting a 5 point lead slip, there getting a bit of luck now, maybe this could be the year for a Promotion push? Also, Brendan McVeigh, man of the match, saved down on a number of occasions, not to mention saving a late penalty ;)Aidan Carr also scored a couple of splendid frees and Benny, as always, looked sharp. Great to see big Dan Gordan and wee Paul McComilsky back again, if down going win anything they need captin Dan fit all year, Big Jackie Lynch had a powerful game too. But again down looked poor going forward, need a bit strength in the forward line, maybe John Clarke? I'm just saying that maybe it wouldn't hurt to put personal differences aside, players should be played on Merit.! Fair play to the team and management on a great win over an in-form Louth team!  ;D

hardly playing the omnibus role..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on February 19, 2009, 06:09:23 PM
carr was very impressive the lastime i saw him at chf v poly in the sigerson final.  played a deep role and sprayed some great passes that day.  if yas had benny and mccomiskey flying out of the corners could be an idea, though having developed him into a good whb maybe ross would be robbing peter to pay paul, as the halfback line would become weaker
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on February 19, 2009, 06:21:23 PM
Quote from: off the laces on February 19, 2009, 03:28:26 PM
i read in matt's chat last night the county powers that be are going to debate on bringing back the compulsary buying by clubs off 70 tickets at £60 each, it will then be up to the clubs to sell them to their members or face losing out on the money themselves, this is a great way for the county board to get money into the coffers but very hard on the clubs, as it will be up to them to get/put pressure on their members to cough up the money, which in the current economic climate, whith memberships and insurance rising is going to see people turning their backs on GAA, and will bring back the (Grab all Association remarks).

Clubs are trying to raise their own finances without this burden, who in this climate would buy a £60 draw ticket!!!!! I often wonder who comes up with such stupid ideas!!!!
Remember there was a scrath card initaitive a few years back which the clubs had to fork out for????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on February 19, 2009, 09:33:52 PM
Quote from: off the laces on February 19, 2009, 03:28:26 PM
i read in matt's chat last night the county powers that be are going to debate on bringing back the compulsary buying by clubs off 70 tickets at £60 each, it will then be up to the clubs to sell them to their members or face losing out on the money themselves, this is a great way for the county board to get money into the coffers but very hard on the clubs, as it will be up to them to get/put pressure on their members to cough up the money, which in the current economic climate, whith memberships and insurance rising is going to see people turning their backs on GAA, and will bring back the (Grab all Association remarks).

This is what happens when you kill the goose that laid the golden egg ie. club down. It beggars belief.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 20, 2009, 01:45:19 AM
Blue Island has summed it up exactly, it beggars belief, and will severely hamper local development in small clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on February 20, 2009, 07:53:42 AM
Thats an absolute joke, as Tom said who is forking out for £60 draw tickets at the minute - no-one, ya couldnt get lads to buy them if the money was going directly into their own clubs never mind for a county draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 20, 2009, 10:36:12 AM
I agree with the sentiments about £60 a ticket being too much for anyone in the current climate.

But when put another way, it's only a tax of £4,200 on each club. Which, if used to produce something like Pairc Esler, is well worth it in my opinion. EVERY club in the county should be fullly behind a scheme that improves facilities and structures in the county. It can only have a positive effect on their own club in the long run.


My concern here is in getting details of exactly what the 'tax' might be used for. I'd be wary of how much county board expenditure is directly related to county teams. Given the prices we've to pay into even McKenna Cup games these days, I'd like to think that these teams can more than cover their own expenses.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on February 20, 2009, 10:51:43 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 20, 2009, 10:36:12 AM
I agree with the sentiments about £60 a ticket being too much for anyone in the current climate.

But when put another way, it's only a tax of £4,200 on each club. Which, if used to produce something like Pairc Esler, is well worth it in my opinion. EVERY club in the county should be fullly behind a scheme that improves facilities and structures in the county. It can only have a positive effect on their own club in the long run.


My concern here is in getting details of exactly what the 'tax' might be used for. I'd be wary of how much county board expenditure is directly related to county teams. Given the prices we've to pay into even McKenna Cup games these days, I'd like to think that these teams can more than cover their own expenses.   


£60 may be a bit much for a one off draw but the old county board draw was for 5 weeks but I can't remember for sure.

I'd like to see at least £20 of each ticket sold going directly to the club who sold it. In that way the clubs can use the county draw as a means of fundraising themselves plus clubs are more likely to sell tickets if there is a direct benefit to them and in the same manner people are more inclined to buy tickets if they see that direct benefit going to their local club.

If the county board expect to take all the money then it'll fall flat on its face!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on February 20, 2009, 01:34:57 PM
£ 60 quid!! I would'n give that county board the skin of my shite... or matts chat in that case
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on February 20, 2009, 01:36:45 PM
The re-introduction of a County draw would be a bit hard to take for Clubs who continue to subscribe to the Pairc Esler scheme while neighbouring clubs never bothered and continue not having to with no apparant sanction.

Also if such a draw is to take place, then tickets should be allocated according to the size of the Club, number of teams etc - its would be ridiculous if every Club, irrespective of size, would be asked to sell exactly the same number of tickets (this was the case the last time). County Board fees etc should be administered on the same principle.

And before you start, yes, ticket allocation for county matches should be on exactly the same basis - the larger Clubs need a bigger allocation than the smaller Clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 20, 2009, 02:14:45 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on February 19, 2009, 09:33:52 PM

This is what happens when you kill the goose that laid the golden egg ie. club down. It beggars belief.

Ah Blue Island you are psychic as word on the grapevine is the the county board is trying to ressurrect Club Down as a major fund-raising body. This is interesting as there were plenty of people associated with the county board who resented Club Down because they did their own thing - and delivered. Talk about biting the hand that feeds!
If the new Club Down is allowed to follow the same line then you can expect their proposals will be more sensible as they never bothered the clubs with their previous efforts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on February 20, 2009, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on February 20, 2009, 01:36:45 PM
The re-introduction of a County draw would be a bit hard to take for Clubs who continue to subscribe to the Pairc Esler scheme while neighbouring clubs never bothered and continue not having to with no apparant sanction.


only a handful of clubs fully subscribed to Pairc Esler and when it came to divvying out the Soccer/Rugby money got nothing more than a slap in the teeth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 20, 2009, 02:50:12 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on February 20, 2009, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on February 20, 2009, 01:36:45 PM
The re-introduction of a County draw would be a bit hard to take for Clubs who continue to subscribe to the Pairc Esler scheme while neighbouring clubs never bothered and continue not having to with no apparant sanction.


only a handful of clubs fully subscribed to Pairc Esler and when it came to divvying out the Soccer/Rugby money got nothing more than a slap in the teeth



Is it not the other way round.....I think only 3 or 4 clubs DIDN'T fully subscribe to the Marshes redevelopment.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on February 20, 2009, 08:06:28 PM
Only 10 clubs contributed in full to marshes development....thats even less than 1/4 clubs in down....

and at the end of it all, shamrocks have final say over everything that goes on in pairc esler!!

the monthly payment was a great idea from shamrocks point of view, but not for those struggling to make sure they meet the payment every month!!

also, delegates from each club need to stand strong on the £60draw ticket...OBJECTION!!


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on February 20, 2009, 11:53:41 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 20, 2009, 02:50:12 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on February 20, 2009, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on February 20, 2009, 01:36:45 PM
The re-introduction of a County draw would be a bit hard to take for Clubs who continue to subscribe to the Pairc Esler scheme while neighbouring clubs never bothered and continue not having to with no apparant sanction.


only a handful of clubs fully subscribed to Pairc Esler and when it came to divvying out the Soccer/Rugby money got nothing more than a slap in the teeth



Is it not the other way round.....I think only 3 or 4 clubs DIDN'T fully subscribe to the Marshes redevelopment.


The important word here is FULLY. there were only a handful who FULLY paid up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on February 21, 2009, 10:36:13 AM
lads can anyone confirm if the down u21 and armagh under 21 game still taking place at 2.00 pm today?cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 21, 2009, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on February 21, 2009, 10:36:13 AM
lads can anyone confirm if the down u21 and armagh under 21 game still taking place at 2.00 pm today?cheers

where is this game due to be played at?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on February 21, 2009, 05:26:57 PM
game was at park eslar mg.  was very disappointed with down u21s today.  was told by one of there players only missing murney,mccomiskey, oreilly from their full side though magee went off early after scoring a point.  thought down would have been 2 strong for armagh but suppose u21 football very hard to predict.  no.18 for down went off with a serious looking ankle injury hope it aint as bad as looks!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on February 21, 2009, 05:27:21 PM
ps game finished 2-15 to 0-8!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 21, 2009, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on February 21, 2009, 05:27:21 PM
ps game finished 2-15 to 0-8!

Jesus didnt expect such a hiding after beating Tyrone. I really think Down under21s need a better half back line. very weak in that line. I dont think Ryan Boyle, Coffey, Joe Murphy or Somers are the best in the county to play in half back line. any Armagh senior panelists on under 21s charlie?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 21, 2009, 05:55:07 PM
I would read absolutely nothing in to that result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rattle-the-net on February 21, 2009, 07:13:24 PM
Was very disappointed with down 2day, we can use the excuse we had a few boys missing but i heard armagh people talking in the crowd, obviously the crossmaglen boys were missing and there is at least 4 of them, then they had toner and two fellas along the side line who were not stripped out so they were not at full strength either!! Armagh were looking good to be honest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on February 21, 2009, 07:36:58 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 21, 2009, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on February 21, 2009, 05:27:21 PM
ps game finished 2-15 to 0-8!

Jesus didnt expect such a hiding after beating Tyrone. I really think Down under21s need a better half back line. very weak in that line. I dont think Ryan Boyle, Coffey, Joe Murphy or Somers are the best in the county to play in half back line. any Armagh senior panelists on under 21s charlie?

Two goalkeepers Rodgers & McGuinness, Stefan Forker, Kieran Toner (still out injured I think). One or two Cross players, though they weren't involved. Was at McRory semi-final so couldn't make it to game, good result from Armagh, was expecting more from Down tbh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 22, 2009, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on February 21, 2009, 05:26:57 PM
game was at park eslar mg.  was very disappointed with down u21s today.  was told by one of there players only missing murney,mccomiskey, oreilly from their full side though magee went off early after scoring a point.  thought down would have been 2 strong for armagh but suppose u21 football very hard to predict.  no.18 for down went off with a serious looking ankle injury hope it aint as bad as looks!

do you know who it was? or heard any more info?

i heard joe murphy was doin a bit of scrappin was he?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on February 22, 2009, 07:57:18 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 21, 2009, 05:55:07 PM
I would read absolutely nothing in to that result.

Jesus lad, of course you should read into it. I know where you are coming from and it ll not have too much bearing but you have to live and learn from each match. Anyone got odds on the U21s. Saw Armagh against Kildare but they played 25 or so players so was hard to get an impression. Their half-forward line seems quite small and redundant though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on February 22, 2009, 08:06:10 PM
had a big lad at no.12 who competed well in the air.

no boyle came on as sub but dont think it was him.  not sure who got line for down.  forker be big loss for armagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on February 22, 2009, 08:58:39 PM
heard ambrose played in an ulster league game today against naomh brid and "lorded it over them". has to be good news
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 23, 2009, 12:47:05 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 22, 2009, 07:57:18 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 21, 2009, 05:55:07 PM
I would read absolutely nothing in to that result.

Jesus lad, of course you should read into it. I know where you are coming from and it ll not have too much bearing but you have to live and learn from each match. Anyone got odds on the U21s. Saw Armagh against Kildare but they played 25 or so players so was hard to get an impression. Their half-forward line seems quite small and redundant though.

Corn, the Shamrock Cup is a glorified friendly competion. I don't care what anybody says but friendlies/challenge games don't count for one iota when it comes to the business end of competitions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on February 23, 2009, 12:59:01 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 23, 2009, 12:47:05 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 22, 2009, 07:57:18 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 21, 2009, 05:55:07 PM
I would read absolutely nothing in to that result.

Jesus lad, of course you should read into it. I know where you are coming from and it ll not have too much bearing but you have to live and learn from each match. Anyone got odds on the U21s. Saw Armagh against Kildare but they played 25 or so players so was hard to get an impression. Their half-forward line seems quite small and redundant though.

Corn, the Shamrock Cup is a glorified friendly competion. I don't care what anybody says but friendlies/challenge games don't count for one iota when it comes to the business end of competitions.

Don't count one iota is a bit much. If you are not learing from games, regardless of stature, you are not doing your job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on February 23, 2009, 01:22:59 PM
Just someone on hoganstand said that ballela have applied to play in the antrim hurling leagues?  Anyone know if this is true or just a load of nonsense?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 23, 2009, 03:45:43 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on February 23, 2009, 01:22:59 PM
Just someone on hoganstand said that ballela have applied to play in the antrim hurling leagues?  Anyone know if this is true or just a load of nonsense?

They have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 23, 2009, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 23, 2009, 12:47:05 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 22, 2009, 07:57:18 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 21, 2009, 05:55:07 PM
I would read absolutely nothing in to that result.

Jesus lad, of course you should read into it. I know where you are coming from and it ll not have too much bearing but you have to live and learn from each match. Anyone got odds on the U21s. Saw Armagh against Kildare but they played 25 or so players so was hard to get an impression. Their half-forward line seems quite small and redundant though.

Corn, the Shamrock Cup is a glorified friendly competion. I don't care what anybody says but friendlies/challenge games don't count for one iota when it comes to the business end of competitions.

The same competition last year, Monaghan beat Down after a replay in a few tough and ahrd fought games. Down were dissapointed that day, and Monaghan were thrilled with winning it. What happend the next week? Down hammered Antrim and progressed to the semi final of ulster. Monaghan went out..forget who beat them though..Fermanagh, Donegal???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on February 24, 2009, 11:42:26 AM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on February 23, 2009, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 23, 2009, 12:47:05 PM
Quote from: corn02 on February 22, 2009, 07:57:18 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 21, 2009, 05:55:07 PM
I would read absolutely nothing in to that result.

Jesus lad, of course you should read into it. I know where you are coming from and it ll not have too much bearing but you have to live and learn from each match. Anyone got odds on the U21s. Saw Armagh against Kildare but they played 25 or so players so was hard to get an impression. Their half-forward line seems quite small and redundant though.

Corn, the Shamrock Cup is a glorified friendly competion. I don't care what anybody says but friendlies/challenge games don't count for one iota when it comes to the business end of competitions.

The same competition last year, Monaghan beat Down after a replay in a few tough and ahrd fought games. Down were dissapointed that day, and Monaghan were thrilled with winning it. What happend the next week? Down hammered Antrim and progressed to the semi final of ulster. Monaghan went out..forget who beat them though..Fermanagh, Donegal???

You're missing my point. I am not saying Armagh are better, I am just saying you should always be taking things from games regardless of stature, result, importance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on February 25, 2009, 09:26:49 AM
Any thoughts on the upcoming down game V Cavan next weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on February 25, 2009, 10:41:29 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on February 25, 2009, 09:26:49 AM
Any thoughts on the upcoming down game V Cavan next weekend?

Loads

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=11302.0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on March 02, 2009, 10:46:52 AM
i heard last night that the proposals for the new league structure were ratified and accepted at the last county board meeting, any thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on March 03, 2009, 12:59:39 AM
Its very quiet around theses parts at the minute! Was anyone at either of the hurling games.  Good result for the seniors against westmeath.  But hwat is happening with south down? Seems like they can not get going at all this year? Are they missing many lads?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 03, 2009, 11:24:56 AM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on March 03, 2009, 12:59:39 AM
Its very quiet around theses parts at the minute! Was anyone at either of the hurling games.  Good result for the seniors against westmeath.  But hwat is happening with south down? Seems like they can not get going at all this year? Are they missing many lads?

I'd have to say that the win in Mullingar was somewhat a welcome surprise as the team isn't any great shakes and it's the away games that Down need to get points in as I think they've Wexford and Offaly at home so the odds would be against them there. With away games against Kerry Laois and Carlow I'd think the hurlers will need at least another 2 wins to secure survival.

I see big Courtney is being tried in the forwards which is no harm as he can win his own ball, something a few of his colleagues up there aren't capable of especially with big Magic swaning about London living the high life.
Big Aaron has shifted a few more pounds over the winter and with a bit more time could make fullback his own even though he doesn't like playing there. Ruairi McGrattan did rightly in centre back against Antrim, an odd decision but was probably forced upon Jingo but it seems to have paid off to date. Ruairi is a neat enough hurler but loses the head the odd time, so if he can keep focused he might be fine. If Jingo can sort out the spine of the team then at least that's something.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 03, 2009, 12:16:15 PM
Anybody at the East Down meeting last night? Any confirmation as yet on how these Minor Leagues are going to operate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 03, 2009, 02:46:02 PM
To start a bit of debate here are my predictions for the 2009 end of league standings.  I think Rostrevor could do something this year, they got a good manager in Rafferty and I hear things are going well for them at the minute.  I'm taking a bit of a risk putting Saval out of the bottom 4 but they were hard enough beat last year.  I don't know much about the Point so for that reason I'm sticking them at the very bottom. 

Mayobridge
Kilcoo
Rostrevor
Burren
Longstone
Saval
Castlewellan
Loughinisland
Bryansford
Clonduff
Liatroim
Warrenpoint



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 03, 2009, 03:37:18 PM
Quote from: amallon on March 03, 2009, 02:46:02 PM
To start a bit of debate here are my predictions for the 2009 end of league standings.  I think Rostrevor could do something this year, they got a good manager in Rafferty and I hear things are going well for them at the minute.  I'm taking a bit of a risk putting Saval out of the bottom 4 but they were hard enough beat last year.  I don't know much about the Point so for that reason I'm sticking them at the very bottom. 

Mayobridge
Kilcoo
Rostrevor
Burren
Longstone
Saval
Castlewellan
Loughinisland
Bryansford
Clonduff
Liatroim
Warrenpoint

From what I seen last year, I don't think Warrenpoint will be able to stick it out in the top flight. Liatroim are also nearing the end of their tenure in the top tier. Id say Saval will suffer from 2nd season syndrome and you may see them near the bottom.
I think McGrath will work wonders with Bryansford and Rostrevor may start to realise their potential. Burren and Longstone are the main pretenders to the Bridge in my opinion and they wil be up their along with Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on March 03, 2009, 04:13:51 PM
any word on who will get picked for the powerade team from last years championship.  when will this team be announced?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 03, 2009, 06:07:27 PM
Quote from: amallon on March 03, 2009, 02:46:02 PM
To start a bit of debate here are my predictions for the 2009 end of league standings.  I think Rostrevor could do something this year, they got a good manager in Rafferty and I hear things are going well for them at the minute.  I'm taking a bit of a risk putting Saval out of the bottom 4 but they were hard enough beat last year.  I don't know much about the Point so for that reason I'm sticking them at the very bottom. 

Mayobridge
Kilcoo
Rostrevor
Burren
Longstone
Saval
Castlewellan
Loughinisland
Bryansford
Clonduff
Liatroim
Warrenpoint





You wont be far away with this prediction. Can see Saval and Castlewellan in bottom 4 instead of ford and clonduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on March 03, 2009, 07:28:21 PM
wpoint beat wolfe tones by point on sunday there.we wouldnt be fancied do well this year struggle in div 2 armagh likely
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 04, 2009, 09:16:43 AM
Do Castlewellan not have a good home record?  They have beaten the Bridge down in Castlewellan for the last four or five years, maybe they just lift it against us.  Winning most of your home games would be enough the take at team out of the bottom four.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bennydorano on March 04, 2009, 12:10:49 PM
Hear Cross 'stuffed' Down last night? Any witnesses
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on March 04, 2009, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: amallon on March 03, 2009, 02:46:02 PM
To start a bit of debate here are my predictions for the 2009 end of league standings.  I think Rostrevor could do something this year, they got a good manager in Rafferty and I hear things are going well for them at the minute.  I'm taking a bit of a risk putting Saval out of the bottom 4 but they were hard enough beat last year.  I don't know much about the Point so for that reason I'm sticking them at the very bottom. 

Mayobridge
Kilcoo
Rostrevor
Burren
Longstone
Saval
Castlewellan
Loughinisland
Bryansford
Clonduff
Liatroim
Warrenpoint





Amallon, i don't agree with you often but i think your nearly spot on with your predictions:
Warrenpoint, from what Ive seen of them, dont have what it takes to hold down a divsion one position. Laitroim, have been getting the rub of the green the last few years but i think they will also go down this year. Clonduff will struggle, more than ever because they will probably lose A.Carr and J.Fegan for most of their crunch games ( if all goes well with Down). Bryansford, with Wee Pete at the helm could be the supprise package this year, abit like Án Ríocht 2 years ago, maybe not to win it, but to stay up with plenty to spare. Loughinisland were unlucky in the county final last year and if they keep the same mentality this year, they'll do OK.  Castlewellan do have a good home record and that should keep them up and safe. Saval with out Stephen Kearney and Danny Hughes could struggle. Longstone, Burren and Rostrevor all three clubs very alike, all will be challenging for the top spots, but wit Mayobridge and Kilcoo ore that likely having two of the tops spots already, it will be intrestin to see what develops there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 04, 2009, 04:26:24 PM
St Malachy's, Castlewellan, won the Ulster U-14 McDevitt Cup today in Casement Park with a 3-08 to 1-13 win over Holy Trinity, Cookstown.
The game was tied with about 5 minutes to go when Dundrum's Conn Rooney popped up with the winning score  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 04, 2009, 06:48:30 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 04, 2009, 04:26:24 PM
St Malachy's, Castlewellan, won the Ulster U-14 McDevitt Cup today in Casement Park with a 3-08 to 1-13 win over Holy Trinity, Cookstown.
The game was tied with about 5 minutes to go when Dundrum's Conn Rooney popped up with the winning score  ;D

Cracking final today, one of the best in years at this level. Well done to St. Malachys on a brilliant performance. Young Conn Rooney, Aidan Fulchur (Kilcoo) and Cathal Tumilty (Drumgath) where outstanding. Up St.Mals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on March 04, 2009, 08:38:37 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 04, 2009, 12:10:49 PM
Hear Cross 'stuffed' Down last night? Any witnesses

Was at the game last night.

Per my reckoning the final score was Down 1-11 Crossmaglen 0-18

Good run out for both teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 06, 2009, 11:10:30 AM
Ross Carr will name his side to take on Cavan on Saturday night through the Down GAA Website www.downgaa.net at 4.30pm today (Friday).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The GAA on March 06, 2009, 01:23:51 PM
Quote from: downredblack on March 06, 2009, 11:10:30 AM
Ross Carr will name his side to take on Cavan on Saturday night through the Down GAA Website www.downgaa.net at 4.30pm today (Friday).

That's very exiting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 06, 2009, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: The GAA on March 06, 2009, 01:23:51 PM
Quote from: downredblack on March 06, 2009, 11:10:30 AM
Ross Carr will name his side to take on Cavan on Saturday night through the Down GAA Website www.downgaa.net at 4.30pm today (Friday).

That's very exiting

Tried to be  smart , then fucked it up . Ah well   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The GAA on March 06, 2009, 01:55:16 PM

Don't let it bother you. god loves a trier
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 06, 2009, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: The GAA on March 06, 2009, 01:23:51 PM
Quote from: downredblack on March 06, 2009, 11:10:30 AM
Ross Carr will name his side to take on Cavan on Saturday night through the Down GAA Website www.downgaa.net at 4.30pm today (Friday).

That's very exiting

what a p***k!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The GAA on March 06, 2009, 02:01:19 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on March 06, 2009, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: The GAA on March 06, 2009, 01:55:16 PM

Don't let it bother you. god loves a trier
is that a trier a tryer or a tyre
All very exiting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 06, 2009, 02:05:08 PM
Quote from: downredblack on March 06, 2009, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: The GAA on March 06, 2009, 01:23:51 PM
Quote from: downredblack on March 06, 2009, 11:10:30 AM
Ross Carr will name his side to take on Cavan on Saturday night through the Down GAA Website www.downgaa.net at 4.30pm today (Friday).

That's very exiting

Tried to be  smart , then fucked it up . Ah well   ;D


GAA I think you have just been 'exited'!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The GAA on March 06, 2009, 02:08:28 PM


Jaysus lads we're very touchy in here.
Must be a lot of tension in division 3....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on March 06, 2009, 05:04:50 PM
Quote from: downredblack on March 06, 2009, 11:10:30 AM
Ross Carr will name his side to take on Cavan on Saturday night through the Down GAA Website www.downgaa.net at 4.30pm today (Friday).


Ross Carr has named two changes to the side that took on Louth in Round two of the National Football League for the clash with Cavan.  Captain Dan Gordan returns to the side after injury and replaces Jackie Lynch in midfield, while Ballyholland Club man Ronan Murtagh comes in for Jamie O Reilly in the full forward line.

The Down Team is as follows: Brendan McVeigh, Ciaran McGovern, Paul Murphy, Luke Howard, Aidan Carr, Kevin McKernan, Conor Garvey, Dan Gordon (Captain), Stephen Kearne, Brendan McArdle, Conor Maginn, John Fegan, Ronan Murtagh, Daniel Hughes, Brendan Coulter.

Down Cavan game has a 7.30pm start in Pairc Esler Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 06, 2009, 05:15:21 PM
Quote from: too long ref on March 06, 2009, 05:04:50 PM
Quote from: downredblack on March 06, 2009, 11:10:30 AM
Ross Carr will name his side to take on Cavan on Saturday night through the Down GAA Website www.downgaa.net at 4.30pm today (Friday).


Ross Carr has named two changes to the side that took on Louth in Round two of the National Football League for the clash with Cavan.  Captain Dan Gordan returns to the side after injury and replaces Jackie Lynch in midfield, while Ballyholland Club man Ronan Murtagh comes in for Jamie O Reilly in the full forward line.

The Down Team is as follows: Brendan McVeigh, Ciaran McGovern, Paul Murphy, Luke Howard, Aidan Carr, Kevin McKernan, Conor Garvey, Dan Gordon (Captain), Stephen Kearne, Brendan McArdle, Conor Maginn, John Fegan, Ronan Murtagh, Daniel Hughes, Brendan Coulter.

Down Cavan game has a 7.30pm start in Pairc Esler Newry.


I like the look of that full forward line, I just hope Murtagh and Hughes stay up there with Benny although one of them will probably roam - most likey Murtagh. It will be interesting to see how Kearney will get on beside big Dan.

Now I really am 'exited' !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 06, 2009, 06:08:17 PM
Ive never been as exited in my life!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on March 06, 2009, 06:54:54 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 06, 2009, 06:08:17 PM
Ive never been as exited in my life!
I wonder has "GAA" been outed rather than exited!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on March 06, 2009, 08:47:16 PM
good team let's hope the boys do it .

gorm agus bui anymore word on the county board budget? are the hangers on docs still getting paid?

delighted rony is back where he belongs on a starting 15





the gael takes no prisoners!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on March 06, 2009, 11:00:17 PM
co board mean business this year
panel cut to 24 - and if your not in you must get your own way til games(and they wont get their mileage)
hangers on stil there - stat man, goal keeping coaches, ball boy, water boy, shrink, comedian, PRO, counsellor, hairdresser, beautician....lol....not to mention, yoga guru and pilates instructor.....and they all get feed on the £60 we will pay for the latest co down ticket launch!!


Back to the match, good line up -heres hoping beni will deliver the goods - hes the difference between Down and any of the sides they will meet this season!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 07, 2009, 12:23:07 AM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on March 06, 2009, 11:00:17 PM
co board mean business this year
panel cut to 24 - and if your not in you must get your own way til games(and they wont get their mileage)
hangers on stil there - stat man, goal keeping coaches, ball boy, water boy, shrink, comedian, PRO, counsellor, hairdresser, beautician....lol....not to mention, yoga guru and pilates instructor.....and they all get feed on the £60 we will pay for the latest co down ticket launch!!


Back to the match, good line up -heres hoping beni will deliver the goods - hes the difference between Down and any of the sides they will meet this season!


Settle down lads...its the 3rd game in the league ffs......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imdagaffer on March 07, 2009, 09:04:33 PM
sounds like a dire game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 07, 2009, 10:05:29 PM
game was poor, down were the same, no. 10 mackey for cavan ran the show in the 2nd half while our fowards didnt seem up to much! benny and mccomiskey only came on with about 15 to go, as did ambrose which was good to see!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on March 08, 2009, 01:05:23 AM
Quote from: supersub on March 07, 2009, 10:05:29 PM
game was poor, down were the same, no. 10 mackey for cavan ran the show in the 2nd half while our fowards didnt seem up to much! benny and mccomiskey only came on with about 15 to go, as did ambrose which was good to see!
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have to disagree, would have been better not to have seen him judging on his performance. simply not at the races, needs more recovery  time , poor decision to bring him on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 08, 2009, 12:52:43 PM
good to see him back as in recovered from injury which was quite a serious one, thought most down supporters would be glad as he was playing some great stuff before he got the injury, and judging by the reaction of the crowd when he came on everyone was pleased to see him back in a down jersey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on March 08, 2009, 01:41:26 PM
Quote from: supersub on March 08, 2009, 12:52:43 PM
good to see him back as in recovered from injury which was quite a serious one, thought most down supporters would be glad as he was playing some great stuff before he got the injury, and judging by the reaction of the crowd when he came on everyone was pleased to see him back in a down jersey
agreed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on March 09, 2009, 12:27:29 PM
Someone posted the master fixture list for league games only a while back. Would anyone be able to confirm championship dates for the down championships this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 09, 2009, 01:22:58 PM

  Lads/Lasses,
        looking for a challenge match for our Minors to break the drag of training.We have the use of floodlights on Wed and Sat nights but could travel out to Down on a Sat or Sun afternnon.PM me if any interest.
[/quote]

Check your PM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on March 09, 2009, 02:49:50 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on March 09, 2009, 12:27:29 PM
Someone posted the master fixture list for league games only a while back. Would anyone be able to confirm championship dates for the down championships this year?


Championship is penciled in to start 6th August until 10th of August.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on March 09, 2009, 04:40:44 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on March 09, 2009, 02:49:50 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on March 09, 2009, 12:27:29 PM
Someone posted the master fixture list for league games only a while back. Would anyone be able to confirm championship dates for the down championships this year?


Championship is penciled in to start 6th August until 10th of August.

Yes the dates judging by the league fixtures are as follows:
1st Round: Thursday 6th-Tuesday 11th August
Quarter Finals: Friday 28th-Sunday 30th August

There is a break in league games from 5th to 26th September meaning semi finals sat 12th and sunday 13th with a free weekend for AI final.

The last 3 league games are then down for 26th Sep, 3rd Oct and 11th Oct. Does that mean the championship finals would be on after the league is over or would the league games of participating teams be rearranged leaving the finals perhaps the last weekend of september/first weekend of October?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 10, 2009, 02:40:03 PM
Bryansford play Under 21's tonight in Newcastle at 7.30pm - wonder who Pete will be with?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 11, 2009, 09:17:13 AM
Didn't want to start a thread for this , can any of you lads recommend the best (cheapest) place in Newry for car tyres ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bendurback on March 11, 2009, 11:37:51 AM
i normally go to FS Wheels in Greenbank Industrial Estate. Think their cheapest tyre is 40 quid, then 50 and finally I think they've ones for 70, but they'll hardly interest you lol.

I get the 5oquid tyres, they're a good job, never gave me any bother.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 11, 2009, 12:54:19 PM
How did the under 21's end up last night, who did pete side with????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on March 11, 2009, 01:10:25 PM
Guys any more developments .ref the county draw, i have been caught uo with other poo i havent had a chance to find out about it. cheers

mo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on March 11, 2009, 05:48:14 PM
ross put the foot down in the IN today saying he didnt want to "talk about john clarke or anyone else who is not on the panel." perhaps its too early on in the year to say but judging on the cavan perfomance i reckon  we could do some of our most promising players being put back on the panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on March 11, 2009, 07:11:50 PM
read IN today, carr very determined to see out another season without the county's best players being involved in the panel.

without doubt clarke and walsh both merit places on a below average panel, Until Carr admits he's been wrong in excluding them we've a bleak season ahead.

county draw will officially get the go-ahead, the finances this season lads are dire and the finance committee have been left with no option but to go begging within the county, not a issue for the big wealthy clubs but some of the smaller clubs will struggle when they are levied with a target of 70 tickets.
perhaps the number of tickets that a club must sell should be based on how many members they actually have, bigger clubs get more, smaller clubs getting less.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 11, 2009, 07:30:48 PM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on March 11, 2009, 07:11:50 PM
read IN today, carr very determined to see out another season without the county's best players being involved in the panel.

without doubt clarke and walsh both merit places on a below average panel, Until Carr admits he's been wrong in excluding them we've a bleak season ahead.



Couldnt agree with you more. we may not win anything with or without Walsh and Clarke but they are in the top ten players in Down not just now but in last decade and should be selected. typlifies Ross being the 'Big Man' who will do what he wants. He needs to get real and admitt he is wrong with the way he has man managed these two players. They are much better than the majority of players who cant make an impression in a mediocre division 3 as are James Colgan and James McGovern. All we want is the best players being selected and less of the bull shit from Ross.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on March 11, 2009, 08:31:54 PM
mid down gael - totally respect your honesty on this one.
I think it's a disgrace the way those lads, in particular, have been treated.
mickey harte, joe kernan or any of the top managers would nt get away with this sort of man management, but yet the county board in down allow carr and kane to do this.
clarke's efforts last year ought to be recognised.
One of my fears is that john clarke's situation-will no doubt put his brother off making a return to the red and black jersey if this is how honest lads can be treated. to be 'kicked' of a panel with a'text message' is a very sad reflection of this management team. walsh has also been treated very badly by these men, we need a CHF, there have been quite a few tried and tested in this position but none have been capable of doing the job.

speech over, team for sunday- will coulter start?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 11, 2009, 08:44:27 PM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on March 11, 2009, 08:31:54 PM
mid down gael - totally respect your honesty on this one.
I think it's a disgrace the way those lads, in particular, have been treated.
mickey harte, joe kernan or any of the top managers would nt get away with this sort of man management, but yet the county board in down allow carr and kane to do this.
clarke's efforts last year ought to be recognised.
One of my fears is that john clarke's situation-will no doubt put his brother off making a return to the red and black jersey if this is how honest lads can be treated. to be 'kicked' of a panel with a'text message' is a very sad reflection of this management team. walsh has also been treated very badly by these men, we need a CHF, there have been quite a few tried and tested in this position but none have been capable of doing the job.

speech over, team for sunday- will coulter start?

Very well put. IMO Benny has to start along with Hughes, Murtagh, Fegan, McComiskey and Kearney in attack. Would like to see Peter Fitzpatrick played at midfield alongside Dan with Jackie dropped. Hear Aidan Carr is out injured so my half back line would be Murphy, McKernan and Martin Cole with Rafferty Garvey and Howard in the full back line. Obviously Brendy in goals again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 12, 2009, 12:10:59 AM
Lads i have come too the conclusion that it matters little who is in or out of the panel, until we get a management team who are capable of providing basic organisation and some semblance of a structure and game plan. After two seasons in charge, Ross is still uncertain what his best options are when it comes to team selection, and what DJ brings to the table is a total mystery. There is an air of limited ambition and low expectancy around the Co.set up, to the extent that managing to remain in Div. 3 will not be considered failure. I fully expect to lose in Longford, hope i am very wrong, but if not corrective action must be taken now, before we drift into another feeble championship campaign. An occasional good performance is no substitute for consistency in progress, and an overall evaluation of Ross and DJs performance to date will provide little reason for optimism
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 12, 2009, 08:41:36 AM
Quote from: boscomo on March 11, 2009, 01:10:25 PM
Guys any more developments .ref the county draw, i have been caught uo with other poo i havent had a chance to find out about it. cheers

mo

I hear that a new finance committee has been formed and kicked this to touch. Is this true?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on March 12, 2009, 10:16:17 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on March 12, 2009, 12:10:59 AM
Lads i have come too the conclusion that it matters little who is in or out of the panel, until we get a management team who are capable of providing basic organisation and some semblance of a structure and game plan. After two seasons in charge, Ross is still uncertain what his best options are when it comes to team selection, and what DJ brings to the table is a total mystery.
You have hit the nail on the head. Down are a very poorly organised team with no game plan or system of play. We may not have a panel of players capable of challenging for the top honours but we should be seeing signs of progress in terms of shape and a system of play whereby every player knows his role. At the minute we look like a gather up of players that sometimes click but any well organised team is able to exploit us. No point in Ross and co shouting and roaring in the middle of a match, it only highlights the fact that the proper work isn't being done of the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on March 12, 2009, 05:49:26 PM


the IN stated that ACarr has been ruled out because of injury, Sources from within the camp have revealed its not because of injury but a HOLIDAY. Ross again in the paper telling the truth (as usual). John Clarke was kicked of the panel because he missed a christmas training session, but the managers son can go on holidays mid way through the league and nothing is said about it!! what a joke. the inconsistency within our county is an absolute disgrace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 12, 2009, 08:48:00 PM
GAAHead I don't think you should be putting rumours like this on this forum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 12, 2009, 10:14:17 PM
Its not rumours from GAA Head its the truth. one rule for one and completly different for others. Two faced Ross messes up again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on March 12, 2009, 11:17:22 PM
I  have had enough.

I WANT RID OF THOSE TWO IDIOTS !

Are we really serious about our county?

Those two are idiots.

They should go and form a gpa for retied inter county footballers the ones that like to go to functions , meet and try and befriend other ex county footballers , get drunk with them stay up all night drinking and talk to people about their new friends . what bombastic fools they are .

The sooner we see these fools for what and who they are the better .

WE DESERVE BETTER THAN THOSE FOOLS !





                                                 the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 13, 2009, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: thegael on March 12, 2009, 11:17:22 PM
I  have had enough.

I WANT RID OF THOSE TWO IDIOTS !

Are we really serious about our county?

Those two are idiots.
They should go and form a gpa for retied inter county footballers the ones that like to go to functions , meet and try and befriend other ex county footballers , get drunk with them stay up all night drinking and talk to people about their new friends . what bombastic fools they are .

The sooner we see these fools for what and who they are the better .

WE DESERVE BETTER THAN THOSE FOOLS !





                                                 the gael takes no prisoners!


These two idiots were allstars!
These two fools won Ulster and All Ireland Medals!
These two idiots played a massive role in the most enjoyable and successful period of Down football that I am old enough to remember!
These two fools put their heads on the line for our county whilst players time and time again and appear to be doing so as managers!

Ross and DJ can only do so much and the players have to take responsibility too. One thing that is obvious is that the player do lack leadership - but on the pitch!

You have to look at who the leaders are at present:

Big Dan - Not fit
Ambrose - Not fit
Doyle - Injured
Aidan Carr - Playing out of position
Benny - well benny is benny.

Ross and DJ have been deadly unlucky with injuries during their term. Its my firm belief that last summer if Doyle and McComiskey had have been fit against Armagh or Wexford for that matter Down would not have been beaten. And as for not being promoted last year, well as the summer proved Fermanah and Wexford were'nt bad sides after all.

But that was last year and this is now, and Down are joint top of the league with an injury ravaged squad and as you put it ''2 fools'' as managers!
One defeat against Cavan on a piss of a night is not the end of the world. I just hope Down can get a win against Longford on sunday and I will certainly take the long drive down to support them.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on March 13, 2009, 11:06:44 AM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 13, 2009, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: thegael on March 12, 2009, 11:17:22 PM
I  have had enough.

I WANT RID OF THOSE TWO IDIOTS !

Are we really serious about our county?

Those two are idiots.
They should go and form a gpa for retied inter county footballers the ones that like to go to functions , meet and try and befriend other ex county footballers , get drunk with them stay up all night drinking and talk to people about their new friends . what bombastic fools they are .

The sooner we see these fools for what and who they are the better .

WE DESERVE BETTER THAN THOSE FOOLS !





                                                 the gael takes no prisoners!


These two idiots were allstars!
These two fools won Ulster and All Ireland Medals!
These two idiots played a massive role in the most enjoyable and successful period of Down football that I am old enough to remember!
These two fools put their heads on the line for our county whilst players time and time again and appear to be doing so as managers!

Ross and DJ can only do so much and the players have to take responsibility too. One thing that is obvious is that the player do lack leadership - but on the pitch!

You have to look at who the leaders are at present:

Big Dan - Not fit
Ambrose - Not fit
Doyle - Injured
Aidan Carr - Playing out of position
Benny - well benny is benny.

Ross and DJ have been deadly unlucky with injuries during their term. Its my firm belief that last summer if Doyle and McComiskey had have been fit against Armagh or Wexford for that matter Down would not have been beaten. And as for not being promoted last year, well as the summer proved Fermanah and Wexford were'nt bad sides after all.

But that was last year and this is now, and Down are joint top of the league with an injury ravaged squad and as you put it ''2 fools'' as managers!
One defeat against Cavan on a piss of a night is not the end of the world. I just hope Down can get a win against Longford on sunday and I will certainly take the long drive down to support them.


Bit of sense and reason there Joe. Maybe like some us Joe you played a bit of football. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 13, 2009, 11:07:33 AM
Good post Joe ,

Think almost every Down fan went to the game last week expecting a win and then when that didn't happen things seemed a lot worse than they possibly are . It's a must that we get out of Div.3 and hopefully last week is our only slip up .
The Fermanagh game is a while away yet and we have players to come back and others who need game time under their belts so need for panic yet .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 13, 2009, 11:09:38 AM
Quote from: bendurback on March 11, 2009, 11:37:51 AM
i normally go to FS Wheels in Greenbank Industrial Estate. Think their cheapest tyre is 40 quid, then 50 and finally I think they've ones for 70, but they'll hardly interest you lol.

I get the 5oquid tyres, they're a good job, never gave me any bother.

Thks. bendurback
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on March 13, 2009, 11:18:36 AM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 13, 2009, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: thegael on March 12, 2009, 11:17:22 PM
I  have had enough.

I WANT RID OF THOSE TWO IDIOTS !

Are we really serious about our county?

Those two are idiots.
They should go and form a gpa for retied inter county footballers the ones that like to go to functions , meet and try and befriend other ex county footballers , get drunk with them stay up all night drinking and talk to people about their new friends . what bombastic fools they are .

The sooner we see these fools for what and who they are the better .

WE DESERVE BETTER THAN THOSE FOOLS !





                                                 the gael takes no prisoners!


These two idiots were allstars!
These two fools won Ulster and All Ireland Medals!
These two idiots played a massive role in the most enjoyable and successful period of Down football that I am old enough to remember!
These two fools put their heads on the line for our county whilst players time and time again and appear to be doing so as managers!

Ross and DJ can only do so much and the players have to take responsibility too. One thing that is obvious is that the player do lack leadership - but on the pitch!

You have to look at who the leaders are at present:

Big Dan - Not fit
Ambrose - Not fit
Doyle - Injured
Aidan Carr - Playing out of position
Benny - well benny is benny.

Ross and DJ have been deadly unlucky with injuries during their term. Its my firm belief that last summer if Doyle and McComiskey had have been fit against Armagh or Wexford for that matter Down would not have been beaten. And as for not being promoted last year, well as the summer proved Fermanah and Wexford were'nt bad sides after all.

But that was last year and this is now, and Down are joint top of the league with an injury ravaged squad and as you put it ''2 fools'' as managers!
One defeat against Cavan on a piss of a night is not the end of the world. I just hope Down can get a win against Longford on sunday and I will certainly take the long drive down to support them.



Hate to be a pedant but what they did as a player should not grant them any special leeway in a management position.

That said, Down are obviosuly making steady progress under the two and Carr is one of the best managers about in my book. Whether ot not there is these incidents is irrelevant because they happen in EVERY county.

Get rid of Carr and yous wil lgo back a few years. Man with a bit sense and has achievable goals in mind, these goals will get higher with each year.

Any Down fan expecting an All Ireland push really need to waken up. (ie the 3 posters that have a vandetta aginst the managers).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The GAA on March 13, 2009, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 13, 2009, 10:41:07 AM
These two idiots were allstars!
These two fools won Ulster and All Ireland Medals!
These two idiots played a massive role in the most enjoyable and successful period of Down football that I am old enough to remember!
These two fools put their heads on the line for our county whilst players time and time again and appear to be doing so as managers!

Coaching / managerial achievements are notable by their absence.

have either of them achieved anything at club level?

Talking about being top of the league is silly. its division 3 - a division that carr has not been able to get down out of consistently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on March 13, 2009, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: The GAA on March 13, 2009, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 13, 2009, 10:41:07 AM
These two idiots were allstars!
These two fools won Ulster and All Ireland Medals!
These two idiots played a massive role in the most enjoyable and successful period of Down football that I am old enough to remember!
These two fools put their heads on the line for our county whilst players time and time again and appear to be doing so as managers!

Coaching / managerial achievements are notable by their absence.

have either of them achieved anything at club level?

Talking about being top of the league is silly. its division 3 - a division that carr has not been able to get down out of consistently.
consistentl???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The GAA on March 13, 2009, 12:00:06 PM

Is this not the third year in a row for down in div 3?

if not its relegation from div 2 followed by 2 years in div 3 for them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 13, 2009, 12:17:00 PM
Quote from: The GAA on March 13, 2009, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 13, 2009, 10:41:07 AM
These two idiots were allstars!
These two fools won Ulster and All Ireland Medals!
These two idiots played a massive role in the most enjoyable and successful period of Down football that I am old enough to remember!
These two fools put their heads on the line for our county whilst players time and time again and appear to be doing so as managers!

Coaching / managerial achievements are notable by their absence.

have either of them achieved anything at club level?

Talking about being top of the league is silly. its division 3 - a division that carr has not been able to get down out of consistently.


Yes how silly of me. Lets all talk about being bottom of the league then! Cos that really makes sense.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on March 13, 2009, 12:25:36 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 13, 2009, 12:17:00 PM
Quote from: The GAA on March 13, 2009, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 13, 2009, 10:41:07 AM
These two idiots were allstars!
These two fools won Ulster and All Ireland Medals!
These two idiots played a massive role in the most enjoyable and successful period of Down football that I am old enough to remember!
These two fools put their heads on the line for our county whilst players time and time again and appear to be doing so as managers!

Coaching / managerial achievements are notable by their absence.

have either of them achieved anything at club level?

Talking about being top of the league is silly. its division 3 - a division that carr has not been able to get down out of consistently.


Yes how silly of me. Lets all talk about being bottom of the league then! Cos that really makes sense.



I think the point he is making is that Down sould not be in Division Three.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The GAA on March 13, 2009, 12:33:25 PM

Indeed. well done on deciphering my cryptic message corn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 13, 2009, 01:06:33 PM
Quote from: The GAA on March 13, 2009, 12:33:25 PM

Indeed. well done on deciphering my cryptic message corn


Just before you guys start greasing up each others arses, why do Down not deserve to be in Division 3?

Are you familiar with the format of a league competition?
The league is the one competition that fairly reflects the position and division of a team based on results over a period of time. Given our dissapointing league form over the last 4 - 5 years I would say we definatley deserve to be where we are and most of our championship performances over this period of time back this up. Last summers improved run of championship performances (under the guidance of Mr Ross Carr and Mr DJ Kane) have provided us Downmen with an optimistic outlook with regards  to our promotion chances this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on March 13, 2009, 01:12:45 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 13, 2009, 01:06:33 PM
Quote from: The GAA on March 13, 2009, 12:33:25 PM

Indeed. well done on deciphering my cryptic message corn


Just before you guys start greasing up each others arses, why do Down not deserve to be in Division 3?


You're getting very worked up there young fellah, wind your neck in there.

It is funny how you talk about Down having Championship performances that merit Division 3 standard and then you say if Doyle and McCumiskey had of been fit yous would not have lost to Wexford or Armagh (that one made me laugh).

So what is it? Has Down aspirations really fallen that far.

If you read my original post I have defended Carr, but even he would fell that to still bein Division Three at this stage would be a failure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 13, 2009, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: corn02 on March 13, 2009, 11:18:36 AM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 13, 2009, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: thegael on March 12, 2009, 11:17:22 PM
I  have had enough.

I WANT RID OF THOSE TWO IDIOTS !

Are we really serious about our county?

Those two are idiots.
They should go and form a gpa for retied inter county footballers the ones that like to go to functions , meet and try and befriend other ex county footballers , get drunk with them stay up all night drinking and talk to people about their new friends . what bombastic fools they are .

The sooner we see these fools for what and who they are the better .

WE DESERVE BETTER THAN THOSE FOOLS !





                                                 the gael takes no prisoners!


These two idiots were allstars!
These two fools won Ulster and All Ireland Medals!
These two idiots played a massive role in the most enjoyable and successful period of Down football that I am old enough to remember!
These two fools put their heads on the line for our county whilst players time and time again and appear to be doing so as managers!

Ross and DJ can only do so much and the players have to take responsibility too. One thing that is obvious is that the player do lack leadership - but on the pitch!

You have to look at who the leaders are at present:

Big Dan - Not fit
Ambrose - Not fit
Doyle - Injured
Aidan Carr - Playing out of position
Benny - well benny is benny.

Ross and DJ have been deadly unlucky with injuries during their term. Its my firm belief that last summer if Doyle and McComiskey had have been fit against Armagh or Wexford for that matter Down would not have been beaten. And as for not being promoted last year, well as the summer proved Fermanah and Wexford were'nt bad sides after all.

But that was last year and this is now, and Down are joint top of the league with an injury ravaged squad and as you put it ''2 fools'' as managers!
One defeat against Cavan on a piss of a night is not the end of the world. I just hope Down can get a win against Longford on sunday and I will certainly take the long drive down to support them.



Hate to be a pedant but what they did as a player should not grant them any special leeway in a management position.

That said, Down are obviosuly making steady progress under the two and Carr is one of the best managers about in my book. Whether ot not there is these incidents is irrelevant because they happen in EVERY county.

Get rid of Carr and yous wil lgo back a few years. Man with a bit sense and has achievable goals in mind, these goals will get higher with each year.

Any Down fan expecting an All Ireland push really need to waken up. (ie the 3 posters that have a vandetta aginst the managers).

You're getting very worked up there young fellah, wind your neck in there.

It is funny how you talk about Down having Championship performances that merit Division 3 standard and then you say if Doyle and McCumiskey had of been fit yous would not have lost to Wexford or Armagh (that one made me laugh).

So what is it? Has Down aspirations really fallen that far.

If you read my original post I have defended Carr, but even he would fell that to still bein Division Three at this stage would be a failure.



You appear to be confused, the bottom line is that Down deserve to be in division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on March 13, 2009, 03:01:03 PM
Quote from: The GAA on March 13, 2009, 12:00:06 PM

Is this not the third year in a row for down in div 3?

if not its relegation from div 2 followed by 2 years in div 3 for them
The only consistent fact is that the journey was started well back in mid 90s and though there were management failures big time post 94 it was a lack of vision, planning and development through out the county, not just sen football managers that has led us to where we are today. It does not start and end woth current management. Indeed our structures at under age level and development squad are built on very fine sand and unless something is done relatively soon we could be a long time returning to the top table.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 13, 2009, 05:49:55 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 12, 2009, 10:14:17 PM
Its not rumours from GAA Head its the truth. one rule for one and completly different for others. Two faced Ross messes up again.

You goy a Short memory MDG, Did  John clarke and Brendy Mc Veigh not go to go to Australia for two weeks last year?Sort of makes your ridiculous point invalid.... Two faced?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 13, 2009, 07:05:38 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 13, 2009, 05:49:55 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 12, 2009, 10:14:17 PM
Its not rumours from GAA Head its the truth. one rule for one and completly different for others. Two faced Ross messes up again.

You goy a Short memory MDG, Did  John clarke and Brendy Mc Veigh not go to go to Australia for two weeks last year?Sort of makes your ridiculous point invalid.... Two faced?

Did Aidan Carr not go away for a break to? I think he did. John Clarke missed one training last december when there was a ban on inter county training and got the road. I no from inside the camp how two faced Carr is. Gary McArdles treatment last year, not being spoke to after having one bad game is one example. i could list many more. Ross got us relegated from division 2 where paddy orourke had us and also had us in an ulster final and have been in div 3 since. Things have went badly backwards since Ross took the job. Many Clonduff men will tell you this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 13, 2009, 07:09:02 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 13, 2009, 05:49:55 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 12, 2009, 10:14:17 PM
Its not rumours from GAA Head its the truth. one rule for one and completly different for others. Two faced Ross messes up again.

You goy a Short memory MDG, Did  John clarke and Brendy Mc Veigh not go to go to Australia for two weeks last year?Sort of makes your ridiculous point invalid.... Two faced?

Oh yeah John and Brendy went away in January. Not in middle of league. and it was well publisized. Ross said Aidan was unavailable in irish news. Philip jordan was on holidays last week with tyrone and harte told the media. ross is afraid to admitt it after his treatment of walsh and clarke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on March 13, 2009, 07:09:44 PM

I  have had enough.

I WANT RID OF THOSE TWO IDIOTS !

Are we really serious about our county?

Those two are idiots.

They should go and form a gpa for retied inter county footballers the ones that like to go to functions , meet and try and befriend other ex county footballers , get drunk with them stay up all night drinking and talk to people about their new friends . what bombastic fools they are .

The sooner we see these fools for what and who they are the better .

WE DESERVE BETTER THAN THOSE FOOLS !





                                                 the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 13, 2009, 07:54:20 PM
The Gael, I know you are on the wind-up but your shallow analysis is tiresome.Ross and DJ bring commitment and professionalism to an amateur game.They brought passion and skill in their playing days and no shortage of tactical awareness.I would like to see John Clarke in the team but I don't know why he's not there - however, I fully expect to see him in a Down shirt in 2009 as I do know Ross , DJ and Mickey Doyle have the highest regard for him as a footballer.I was as disappointed as anyone after the Cavan game but the man who never made a mistake never made anything.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on March 13, 2009, 08:48:34 PM
Now i will ask you if it is in trying to organise drinking sessions , staying up all night drinking , spending money staying in hotels for bonding / drinking sessions, trying to recruit ex county players as friends and new found drinking buddies.

If it is about all the gear and no idea !

If it is about setting side shows to raise finance etc for all the above - yes very committed.

Role models well i trust that is an issue!

Trust being a very big word in life! I feel sorry for the innocent fools who are part of the backroom , but then they like to be involved and looked after in the big picture but pathetically it is a very small picture - God bless them!

I trust that Down are in a worse position since those idiots took over!




                                                                            the gael takes no prisoiners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blowinharp:-) on March 13, 2009, 10:22:13 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 13, 2009, 07:09:02 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 13, 2009, 05:49:55 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 12, 2009, 10:14:17 PM
Its not rumours from GAA Head its the truth. one rule for one and completly different for others. Two faced Ross messes up again.

You goy a Short memory MDG, Did  John clarke and Brendy Mc Veigh not go to go to Australia for two weeks last year?Sort of makes your ridiculous point invalid.... Two faced?

Oh yeah John and Brendy went away in January. Not in middle of league. and it was well publisized. Ross said Aidan was unavailable in irish news. Philip jordan was on holidays last week with tyrone and harte told the media. ross is afraid to admitt it after his treatment of walsh and clarke.

a little bit of correct info....
john clarke and brendan mcveigh went to oz on march 16th 08.. and missed no matches. :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 13, 2009, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: thegael on March 13, 2009, 08:48:34 PM
Now i will ask you if it is in trying to organise drinking sessions , staying up all night drinking , spending money staying in hotels for bonding / drinking sessions, trying to recruit ex county players as friends and new found drinking buddies.

If it is about all the gear and no idea !

If it is about setting side shows to raise finance etc for all the above - yes very committed.


Very worrying points if they are accurate. Nothing personal against the two but the stories from the camp are disconcerting to say the least.

Now all we need is another appeal for dosh for a bonding exercise in some far flung parts.....

Personally I would like to see them bonding when the ball is thrown in instead of meandering about the park like complete strangers.

It will be a short summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 13, 2009, 10:48:06 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 13, 2009, 07:09:02 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 13, 2009, 05:49:55 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 12, 2009, 10:14:17 PM
Its not rumours from GAA Head its the truth. one rule for one and completly different for others. Two faced Ross messes up again.

You goy a Short memory MDG, Did  John clarke and Brendy Mc Veigh not go to go to Australia for two weeks last year?Sort of makes your ridiculous point invalid.... Two faced?

Oh yeah John and Brendy went away in January. Not in middle of league. and it was well publisized. Ross said Aidan was unavailable in irish news. Philip jordan was on holidays last week with tyrone and harte told the media. ross is afraid to admitt it after his treatment of walsh and clarke.


They were out in March met them when I was out in Australia last year, right in the middle of the league campaign so thats another faux pas. Since we are basing our arguments upon what is no more than hear say and Chinese whispers I know a lot of players who have played under Ross at county and club level who can not speak highly enough of him. I'm starting to see now why a lot of the original well respected posters have stopped posting on this site.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 13, 2009, 11:01:37 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 13, 2009, 10:48:06 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 13, 2009, 07:09:02 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 13, 2009, 05:49:55 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 12, 2009, 10:14:17 PM
Its not rumours from GAA Head its the truth. one rule for one and completly different for others. Two faced Ross messes up again.

You goy a Short memory MDG, Did  John clarke and Brendy Mc Veigh not go to go to Australia for two weeks last year?Sort of makes your ridiculous point invalid.... Two faced?

Oh yeah John and Brendy went away in January. Not in middle of league. and it was well publisized. Ross said Aidan was unavailable in irish news. Philip jordan was on holidays last week with tyrone and harte told the media. ross is afraid to admitt it after his treatment of walsh and clarke.


They were out in March met them when I was out in Australia last year, right in the middle of the league campaign so thats another faux pas. Since we are basing our arguments upon what is no more than hear say and Chinese whispers I know a lot of players who have played under Ross at county and club level who can not speak highly enough of him. I'm starting to see now why a lot of the original well respected posters have stopped posting on this site.

Oh very sorry for my error. lucky you getting to meet them. Its for the good of our county we are making these points. i for one would love Ross to pick our best team and to have success. at minute the team is just not right, division 3 is for mediocre outfits and we have looked very average. so you have a problem with me speaking my mind? set up a board for all people who just want to see down play at this level and who are happy seeing a management that are a laughing stock by their behaviour and that are treating some players like dirt if you dont like what you hear.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 13, 2009, 11:19:55 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 13, 2009, 11:01:37 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 13, 2009, 10:48:06 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 13, 2009, 07:09:02 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 13, 2009, 05:49:55 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 12, 2009, 10:14:17 PM
Its not rumours from GAA Head its the truth. one rule for one and completly different for others. Two faced Ross messes up again.

You goy a Short memory MDG, Did  John clarke and Brendy Mc Veigh not go to go to Australia for two weeks last year?Sort of makes your ridiculous point invalid.... Two faced?

Oh yeah John and Brendy went away in January. Not in middle of league. and it was well publisized. Ross said Aidan was unavailable in irish news. Philip jordan was on holidays last week with tyrone and harte told the media. ross is afraid to admitt it after his treatment of walsh and clarke.


They were out in March met them when I was out in Australia last year, right in the middle of the league campaign so thats another faux pas. Since we are basing our arguments upon what is no more than hear say and Chinese whispers I know a lot of players who have played under Ross at county and club level who can not speak highly enough of him. I'm starting to see now why a lot of the original well respected posters have stopped posting on this site.

Oh very sorry for my error. lucky you getting to meet them. Its for the good of our county we are making these points. i for one would love Ross to pick our best team and to have success. at minute the team is just not right, division 3 is for mediocre outfits and we have looked very average. so you have a problem with me speaking my mind? set up a board for all people who just want to see down play at this level and who are happy seeing a management that are a laughing stock by their behaviour and that are treating some players like dirt if you dont like what you hear.

No problem with you speaking your mind, I do have an issue with you coming onto a public forum with points that are firstly inaccurate, secondly based on hear say, which in all probability have come from people whom for one reason or another may have biases against Ross.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on March 13, 2009, 11:38:45 PM
the hear say and stories going around are irrelevant, the facts are that clarke walsh colgan are not on the panel when they ought to be based on footballing talent
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 13, 2009, 11:43:04 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on March 13, 2009, 11:38:45 PM
the hear say and stories going around are irrelevant, the facts are that clarke walsh colgan are not on the panel when they ought to be based on footballing talent
They become relevant when they are brought onto a public forum as a basis for an argument. Thats my point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on March 14, 2009, 12:03:02 AM
yes i know i was dismissing the stories, no need for them to be posted. discussion about the facts is more beneficial
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 14, 2009, 08:45:18 AM
Any word on the team yet ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on March 14, 2009, 09:18:03 AM
In summary, down people are not happy with the down management team at present. we have made no progress.
with regard to how they treat players, this has been below par of any county set-up.
if they had respect for john clarke as a footballer, then they wouldnt have treated him the way they did.
if they had wanted to be considered a professional management team then they wouldnt have ignored gary mcardle after his poor game. that's far from how a manager would deal with a player! the fiasco with liam doyle last summer, was a critical blow for down- the lad failed a fitness test but was told he was playing anyway...
they might have been decent players themselves, but this as we've seen doesnt make you a good manager
they cost the county thousands of euro in fines for their inappropriate behaviour along the line.
the cracks are starting to become more apparent, its about time the clubs of down voiced their concern.
its our county team - we've every right to voice opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 14, 2009, 10:04:16 AM
what was that someone said last week about it being very quiet in here  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 14, 2009, 02:19:50 PM
Down supporters who know anything about football are behind the management team. Down 'supporters' who are more familiar with a keyboard than an O'Neills will use their little moment of computer opportunity to post garbage and try to sow discontent. Brendan Behan was right about the begrudgers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on March 14, 2009, 04:59:46 PM
like many i was disappointed with what i saw last saturday night but i dont think whinging about it on the internet will help any. think we would be better to get behind the players as the last poster stated. giving the management abuse on the gaa board is not going to help the fortunes of the county team no matter what way you look at it.

p.s. can someone post a stream for the match tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on March 14, 2009, 07:43:01 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 14, 2009, 02:19:50 PM
Down supporters who know anything about football are behind the management team. Down 'supporters' who are more familiar with a keyboard than an O'Neills will use their little moment of computer opportunity to post garbage and try to sow discontent. Brendan Behan was right about the begrudgers.

This is an open forum, I like others care about the future of Down Football which is why we raise issues on this board.
I will be on longford tomorrow, despite my conclsuions about the management team, when the 15 lads take the field in the red and black for down I will be behind them all the way.
but lets face it lads, a win is essential anything less and we are on the backfoot for the championship!

lets get serious about our county team, we;ve been making excuses for the last two seasons - RESULTS ARE A MUST!! If you cant take the truth about the management team's inadequancies then dont log in.

UP DOWN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on March 14, 2009, 08:06:07 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 14, 2009, 09:17:15 PM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on March 14, 2009, 09:18:03 AM
In summary, down people are not happy with the down management team at present. we have made no progress.with regard to how they treat players, this has been below par of any county set-up.
if they had respect for john clarke as a footballer, then they wouldnt have treated him the way they did.
if they had wanted to be considered a professional management team then they wouldnt have ignored gary mcardle after his poor game. that's far from how a manager would deal with a player! the fiasco with liam doyle last summer, was a critical blow for down- the lad failed a fitness test but was told he was playing anyway...
they might have been decent players themselves, but this as we've seen doesnt make you a good manager
they cost the county thousands of euro in fines for their inappropriate behaviour along the line.
the cracks are starting to become more apparent, its about time the clubs of down voiced their concern.
its our county team - we've every right to voice opinion.

Look at the highlighted portion of your rant and answer this question...

I have followed our team since I was a snapper...so tell me this....What qualifies you to speak on my behalf....???

Ross and DJ might have their faults...who hasnt....but they are are putting serious hours in in an effort to improve the fortunes of Down football .....without the Dwyeresque invoices I might add. This bunch of players are doing the same....I know the commitment these lads give.....we get beaten once in the league and people like you start talking about cracks appearing .
I have a notion you arent even a member of a club and you are hiding behind your keyboard slagging off two guys whos heart and soul is behind Down football.

You have said we have every right voice our opinion....unfortunately if I was to voice my opinion of you I would be banned from the board.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on March 14, 2009, 11:55:25 PM
5 sams = i must ve hit a nerve!! you must part of that backroom team ................tell me your not one of the bandwagon that finds any excuse to sit with the subs on match day so you can be seen, someone who goes for the big feeds at county board expense after games!!

I will voice my opnion, I am a member of one of downs biggest clubs and yes my opinion is representative of 2/3 of our club members

carr and kane may put in alot of hours, but they get well paid for it let me tell you!! and for the record their only concern is the ME. MYSELF and I..that is FACT!!

lets face it, they can make all the excuses they want, but neither has the ability to turn Downs fortunes around- until the management consists of unbiased, honest people who are tactically aware - we are going nowhere!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 15, 2009, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on March 14, 2009, 11:55:25 PM
5 sams = i must ve hit a nerve!! you must part of that backroom team ................tell me your not one of the bandwagon that finds any excuse to sit with the subs on match day so you can be seen, someone who goes for the big feeds at county board expense after games!!

I will voice my opnion, I am a member of one of downs biggest clubs and yes my opinion is representative of 2/3 of our club members

carr and kane may put in alot of hours, but they get well paid for it let me tell you!! and for the record their only concern is the ME. MYSELF and I..that is FACT!!

lets face it, they can make all the excuses they want, but neither has the ability to turn Downs fortunes around- until the management consists of unbiased, honest people who are tactically aware - we are going nowhere!!

I admire your honesty and wat you are saying is wat the majority of gaels in the county think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on March 15, 2009, 09:24:09 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 15, 2009, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on March 14, 2009, 11:55:25 PM
5 sams = i must ve hit a nerve!! you must part of that backroom team ................tell me your not one of the bandwagon that finds any excuse to sit with the subs on match day so you can be seen, someone who goes for the big feeds at county board expense after games!!

I will voice my opnion, I am a member of one of downs biggest clubs and yes my opinion is representative of 2/3 of our club members

carr and kane may put in alot of hours, but they get well paid for it let me tell you!! and for the record their only concern is the ME. MYSELF and I..that is FACT!!

lets face it, they can make all the excuses they want, but neither has the ability to turn Downs fortunes around- until the management consists of unbiased, honest people who are tactically aware - we are going nowhere!!

I admire your honesty and wat you are saying is wat the majority of gaels in the county think.
and what gives you the right to say that this is what the majority of gaels in the county think?
From what I can see and hear the majority of gaels in gthe county are fully behind the management
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on March 15, 2009, 12:36:53 PM
Colleges Football:

All Ireland Semi Final at Portlaoise - Aquinas GS 1-06 Mounthawk Tralee 0-07

Aquinas GS the current Nolan Cup holders made it through to their first All Ireland final yesterday against a fancied Mounthawk Tralee side. The team is made up in the main of Bredagh (12 players), Carryduff and St Brigids lads and is managed by Paul Evans - RGU.

Well done to all concerned!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 15, 2009, 02:19:46 PM
Quote from: lecale4 on March 15, 2009, 12:36:53 PM
Colleges Football:

All Ireland Semi Final at Portlaoise - Aquinas GS 1-06 Mounthawk Tralee 0-07

Aquinas GS the current Nolan Cup holders made it through to their first All Ireland final yesterday against a fancied Mounthawk Tralee side. The team is made up in the main of Bredagh (12 players), Carryduff and St Brigids lads and is managed by Paul Evans - RGU.

Well done to all concerned!!!

What grade is that lecale? Very impressive considerng only 3 clubs involved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael on March 15, 2009, 03:17:51 PM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on March 14, 2009, 11:55:25 PM
5 sams = i must ve hit a nerve!! you must part of that backroom team ................tell me your not one of the bandwagon that finds any excuse to sit with the subs on match day so you can be seen, someone who goes for the big feeds at county board expense after games!!

I will voice my opnion, I am a member of one of downs biggest clubs and yes my opinion is representative of 2/3 of our club members

carr and kane may put in alot of hours, but they get well paid for it let me tell you!! and for the record their only concern is the ME. MYSELF and I..that is FACT!!

lets face it, they can make all the excuses they want, but neither has the ability to turn Downs fortunes around- until the management consists of unbiased, honest people who are tactically aware - we are going nowhere!!

Did you have an EGM to gauge opinion of the membership of one of Down's largest Club? ;D ;D.

I don't think so.

Down won 0-13 to 0-08.
 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on March 15, 2009, 07:17:11 PM
Aquinas play in the C grade - its the one below McLarnon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 15, 2009, 07:57:55 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on March 15, 2009, 09:24:09 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 15, 2009, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on March 14, 2009, 11:55:25 PM
5 sams = i must ve hit a nerve!! you must part of that backroom team ................tell me your not one of the bandwagon that finds any excuse to sit with the subs on match day so you can be seen, someone who goes for the big feeds at county board expense after games!!

I will voice my opnion, I am a member of one of downs biggest clubs and yes my opinion is representative of 2/3 of our club members

carr and kane may put in alot of hours, but they get well paid for it let me tell you!! and for the record their only concern is the ME. MYSELF and I..that is FACT!!

lets face it, they can make all the excuses they want, but neither has the ability to turn Downs fortunes around- until the management consists of unbiased, honest people who are tactically aware - we are going nowhere!!

I admire your honesty and wat you are saying is wat the majority of gaels in the county think.
and what gives you the right to say that this is what the majority of gaels in the county think?
From what I can see and hear the majority of gaels in gthe county are fully behind the management
You only have to listen to gaels in the stand in newry and people within the clubs. good win today though, was a tricky test after last week. some bit of management. lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on March 16, 2009, 10:21:36 AM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on March 14, 2009, 09:18:03 AM
In summary, down people are not happy with the down management team at present. we have made no progress.
with regard to how they treat players, this has been below par of any county set-up.
if they had respect for john clarke as a footballer, then they wouldnt have treated him the way they did.
if they had wanted to be considered a professional management team then they wouldnt have ignored gary mcardle after his poor game. that's far from how a manager would deal with a player! the fiasco with liam doyle last summer, was a critical blow for down- the lad failed a fitness test but was told he was playing anyway...they might have been decent players themselves, but this as we've seen doesnt make you a good manager
they cost the county thousands of euro in fines for their inappropriate behaviour along the line.
the cracks are starting to become more apparent, its about time the clubs of down voiced their concern.
its our county team - we've every right to voice opinion.

The fact that ross and dj stood by Gordan,mccomiskey, ambrose and others through their injuries shows that the men are a professional management team and do have the players best interests at heart. I  doubt liam doyle was forced to play last year, since down lost a lot of players to long term injuries ross carr as came out publicly several times to stress the importance of not rushing these players back. I also have heard of a few occasions when a few players who have been training hard with the county have been left out of the county squad and ross carr has come to them personally to explain why they were left out, which is good man management IMO. Time so called Down 'supporters' got behind the management team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 16, 2009, 11:44:06 AM
Quote from: DaUmpire on March 16, 2009, 10:21:36 AM


The fact that ross and dj stood by Gordan,mccomiskey, ambrose and others through their injuries shows that the men are a professional management team and do have the players best interests at heart. I  doubt liam doyle was forced to play last year, since down lost a lot of players to long term injuries ross carr as came out publicly several times to stress the importance of not rushing these players back. I also have heard of a few occasions when a few players who have been training hard with the county have been left out of the county squad and ross carr has come to them personally to explain why they were left out, which is good man management IMO. Time so called Down 'supporters' got behind the management team.

Who wouldn't stand by your best players as they recover from injury? Stupid point.
Very questionable in sending Ambrose on last week when he is clearly far from ready.
More questionable on Sunday was the fact that Martin Cole, James Colgan & John Clarke were sitting at home and I saw Michael Walsh walking into the stand as a spectator.
An up-and-coming young player like Gary McArdle deserves to be at least spoken to after a poor game.
Have we given up on getting even one player from Kilcoo or Castlewellan even into the panel?
These are all worrying signs and anyone who says otherwise is not being objective.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 16, 2009, 01:13:45 PM
Why would Martin Cole be sitting at home other than injury or illness ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 16, 2009, 01:22:34 PM
It must be embarrassing for squad members who didn't make the 24 not being allowed to travel!!!!!! I feel there are other ways to cut costs!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 16, 2009, 01:30:01 PM
Ross Carr is the man for the job. Anyone I have talked to that has played under him rates him very highly. I think he has done a fairly good job with what he has had at his disposal.

The problems we have in Down are:

1 - We have petty, over sceptical 'supporters' who live to critiscise
2 - We just don't have enough of the highest standard of quality inter-county players in our starting 15
3 - We don't have a recognised centre of excellence to bring along our very talented youth who over the past few years have excelled at Vocational and to a lesser extent Ulster Colleges level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 16, 2009, 03:14:20 PM
Quote from: downredblack on March 16, 2009, 01:13:45 PM
Why would Martin Cole be sitting at home other than injury or illness ?

as a matter of fact he was neither of these!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on March 16, 2009, 06:51:59 PM
down fanatic - you obviously have spoken to very lads that have played under carr: you only have to ask any of the panelists from the minor squad of 2004!!
And as for his time in Monaghan, the fact that there was a vote of no confidence at the end of his second season is very alarming!
in addition to this, he rushed ambrose back last week but yet this week is trying to cover his tracks by saying rodgers isnt ready! what a joke!
his son is apparently injured but is fit to slide down a slope somewhere!
longford where very poor yesterday, the overall down performance was disappointing also. but we got two points and thats what counts.
tom ohare: if there was less fat cats sitting at the dinner tables post match, then perhaps more of the county players up and down the country could travel with their so-called team mates!! i dare say carr's son wont be left out of the top 24 when he returns from his holidays, unless of course he picks up a injury on the slopes.....

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 16, 2009, 07:04:53 PM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on March 16, 2009, 06:51:59 PM
down fanatic - you obviously have spoken to very lads that have played under carr: you only have to ask any of the panelists from the minor squad of 2004!!
And as for his time in Monaghan, the fact that there was a vote of no confidence at the end of his second season is very alarming!
in addition to this, he rushed ambrose back last week but yet this week is trying to cover his tracks by saying rodgers isnt ready! what a joke!
his son is apparently injured but is fit to slide down a slope somewhere!
longford where very poor yesterday, the overall down performance was disappointing also. but we got two points and thats what counts.
tom ohare: if there was less fat cats sitting at the dinner tables post match, then perhaps more of the county players up and down the country could travel with their so-called team mates!! i dare say carr's son wont be left out of the top 24 when he returns from his holidays, unless of course he picks up a injury on the slopes.....
gaahead2008, go buy a dictionary.  If you cannot afford one, here is a snippet

sup⋅port⋅er    /səˈpɔrtər, -ˈpoʊr-/  Spelled Pronunciation [suh-pawr-ter, -pohr-]
–noun
1.    a person or thing that supports.
2.    an adherent, follower, backer, or advocate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 16, 2009, 08:59:32 PM
3 - We don't have a recognised centre of excellence to bring along our very talented youth who over the past few years have excelled at Vocational and to a lesser extent Ulster Colleges level.

The above is the most relevant point made during this debate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 16, 2009, 09:08:48 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on March 16, 2009, 08:59:32 PM
3 - We don't have a recognised centre of excellence to bring along our very talented youth who over the past few years have excelled at Vocational and to a lesser extent Ulster Colleges level.

The above is the most relevant point made during this debate

Has anyone any suggestions on a centre of excellance?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 16, 2009, 11:48:04 PM
 The new development proposed for Byransford could be extended to include a centre of excellence
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on March 17, 2009, 01:52:19 AM
Has this thread turned into the Brendan McVeigh and John Clarke thread, both went to Auz big deal, they deserved it, giving 100% for bot club and count can take it tole, i agree with the gael, get Carr and Dj out, would be best for Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on March 17, 2009, 10:02:51 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on March 17, 2009, 01:52:19 AM
Has this thread turned into the Brendan McVeigh and John Clarke thread, both went to Auz big deal, they deserved it, giving 100% for bot club and count can take it tole, i agree with the gael, get Carr and Dj out, would be best for Down football
.

nonsense! ill give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you made that silly remark under the influence of a few beers ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 17, 2009, 10:18:17 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on March 17, 2009, 10:02:51 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on March 17, 2009, 01:52:19 AM
Has this thread turned into the Brendan McVeigh and John Clarke thread, both went to Auz big deal, they deserved it, giving 100% for bot club and count can take it tole, i agree with the gael, get Carr and Dj out, would be best for Down football
.

nonsense! ill give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you made that silly remark under the influence of a few beers ;D

Getting them out at this stage of season will do no good watsoever. If we get out of Division 3 and get a good run in championship then we would have to give the management credit. if not then im afraid its another year of failure. it would also be great if the management give Clarke, Colgan and Michael Walsh a chance again and put their personal issues to one side. they would get a lot of respect for that because anyone who knows their football know these 3 are in the top players in the county and are better than a lot of lads playing at present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 17, 2009, 10:20:33 AM
Any word on Under 21 lineout and the lads that made the first 24 for tommorrow nights game with Fermanagh? I would expect a Down victory in this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on March 17, 2009, 12:46:21 PM
sweet jesus this has got ridiculous again, these lads are not on the panel maybe they should maybe not, not my decision, we have one defeat in the league and at the minute are in the right position for promotion, we are ticking along nicely with our more senior players still to come into the frame, last year we made a great burst at the start of the year then faultered, personally i would prefer if we continue the build up to the championship and get our best players fit with a few games under there belt before eniskillen!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on March 17, 2009, 01:10:15 PM
Have we given up on getting even one player from Kilcoo or Castlewellan even into the panel? ::)

And where exactly does Kevin Duffin play his football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on March 17, 2009, 02:30:12 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on March 17, 2009, 01:10:15 PM
Have we given up on getting even one player from Kilcoo or Castlewellan even into the panel? ::)

And where exactly does Kevin Duffin play his football

I would imagine so this year, how about the lads that are there get on with it, brannigan and lavery were given their chance!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 18, 2009, 02:08:29 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 17, 2009, 10:20:33 AM
Any word on Under 21 lineout and the lads that made the first 24 for tommorrow nights game with Fermanagh? I would expect a Down victory in this one.

think its something like this

gordan

turley
higgins
m.digney

poland
j.fitzpatrick
t.hanna

p.fitzpatrick
m.magee

j.oreilly
maginn
r.digney

mccomisky
devlin
toner
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on March 18, 2009, 07:32:00 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on March 17, 2009, 01:52:19 AM
Has this thread turned into the Brendan McVeigh and John Clarke thread, both went to Auz big deal, they deserved it, giving 100% for bot club and count can take it tole, i agree with the gael, get Carr and Dj out, would be best for Down football.
Well Ned,who would you have to replace them? Why dont the guys calling for ross and dj out start suggesting some possible replacements?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 18, 2009, 07:43:18 AM
From PRO

Please find below the Down U-21 team to take on Fermanagh tomorrow evening (Wednesday) at 8pm in Brewster Park

Kieran Gordan

Mark Digney

Niall Higgins

Damian Turley

Conor Poland

John Fitzpatrick

Timmy Hanna

Michael Magee

Peter Fitzpatrick

Conor Maginn

Jamie O Reilly

Paul Devlin

Paul McComiskey

Eamon Toner

Ruairi Digney
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 18, 2009, 12:37:31 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 16, 2009, 06:35:03 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 16, 2009, 01:22:34 PM
It must be embarrassing for squad members who didn't make the 24 not being allowed to travel!!!!!! I feel there are other ways to cut costs!!!!!

  I'd be interested to hear how you would cut costs ,Tom?.The 24 man panel thing is a not just a Down issue.It's a directive from Croke Park.

Then why is there a a panel of over 30 then?????? My cost  cutting would be catering after every training and matches... I am sure the players  would welcome this instead of squad members being left at home!!!!!!! If you go out during and train like mad during the week then you should be entitled to travel with your teammates!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on March 18, 2009, 12:39:55 PM
Well, I'm only stating my views and opinions as a fan, not a member of the county board. As far as new management goes, thats there call not mine, although i feel at the end of the current league campaign, and whenever our championship finishes, Ross and DJ will be given the boot. The new man needs to be hungry for success, new ideas, has a plan, and plays player on Parr, not personal differences, cant be hard to find one of them going spare  :P

And this nor my lastt comment was not made under the influance of a few beer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 18, 2009, 01:46:47 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on March 18, 2009, 12:39:55 PM
Well, I'm only stating my views and opinions as a fan, not a member of the county board. As far as new management goes, thats there call not mine, although i feel at the end of the current league campaign, and whenever our championship finishes, Ross and DJ will be given the boot. The new man needs to be hungry for success, new ideas, has a plan, and plays player on Parr, not personal differences, cant be hard to find one of them going spare  :P

And this nor my lastt comment was not made under the influance of a few beer.
You were not under the influence at 01:52:19 AM on St. Patrick's Day?  Good man yourself  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 18, 2009, 07:28:20 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on March 17, 2009, 02:30:12 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on March 17, 2009, 01:10:15 PM
Have we given up on getting even one player from Kilcoo or Castlewellan even into the panel? ::)

And where exactly does Kevin Duffin play his football

I would imagine so this year, how about the lads that are there get on with it, brannigan and lavery were given their chance!

Brannigan and Laverty where on Paddy ORourkes top tewnty for 3 years but not one of them got a chance never mind an invite to the squad under Ross. Marty McClean was the only Kilcoo player given a chance by the current management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on March 18, 2009, 10:31:39 PM
heard u21s won tonight, goals from paul mc comiskey and ben oreilly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 19, 2009, 12:13:49 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on March 18, 2009, 10:31:39 PM
heard u21s won tonight, goals from paul mc comiskey and ben oreilly
someone posted on the U21 thread
Fermanagh 2-08
Down 2-11
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=11341.90 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=11341.90)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 22, 2009, 07:56:04 PM
See the championship draw is this thursday. Anyone know if 5FM will broadcast this live like they did last year? anyword on powerade team for last year also?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on March 23, 2009, 10:51:06 AM
Anyone travel to the game yesterday?

who played well / not so well?

were does this leave our promotion hopes for the year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 23, 2009, 01:43:53 PM
Quote from: SQUAREBALL on March 23, 2009, 10:51:06 AM
Anyone travel to the game yesterday?

who played well / not so well?

were does this leave our promotion hopes for the year?




Yep

Hughes, Kearney / The rest

Still hanging on in there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 23, 2009, 02:02:21 PM
Are there any updates on the injuries to Big Dan, Ambrose and Doyle. Is Doyle anywhere near a return to football?

Also, If Benny is coming on as a sub in games then surely his injury can't be that bad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 23, 2009, 05:40:05 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 23, 2009, 02:02:21 PM
Are there any updates on the injuries to Big Dan, Ambrose and Doyle. Is Doyle anywhere near a return to football?

Also, If Benny is coming on as a sub in games then surely his injury can't be that bad?

Benny isn't injured!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 24, 2009, 07:19:19 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 23, 2009, 05:40:05 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 23, 2009, 02:02:21 PM
Are there any updates on the injuries to Big Dan, Ambrose and Doyle. Is Doyle anywhere near a return to football?

Also, If Benny is coming on as a sub in games then surely his injury can't be that bad?

Benny isn't injured!!!!!!!

Ah go on Tom,Tell us the craic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Final Whistle on March 24, 2009, 09:17:04 AM
any word on the kilcoo incident on sunday?

they must keep the couty board busy and their coffers full!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on March 24, 2009, 11:36:07 AM
Quote from: Final Whistle on March 24, 2009, 09:17:04 AM
any word on the kilcoo incident on sunday?

they must keep the couty board busy and their coffers full!!!

what are they at now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Final Whistle on March 24, 2009, 11:42:03 AM
mass brawl in a friendly against Eglish. Reports suggest their actions were seriously unsavoury!!!

i know they have a rep, just how bad are they?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on March 24, 2009, 11:45:08 AM
to be fair (and it pains me) on the field they are not all that bad, no worse than most the teams in the county

edit to say that this dosnt mean that every club in the county is frequently involved in mass brawls just that its rare for this to occur in kilcoo as well as others.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Final Whistle on March 24, 2009, 11:53:30 AM
and their game against galbally ended the same way a fortnight ago. big mistake though-you dont try and box any1 from galbally, its like poking a bear with your penis!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on March 24, 2009, 12:44:03 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on March 24, 2009, 11:45:08 AM
to be fair (and it pains me) on the field they are not all that bad, no worse than most the teams in the county

edit to say that this dosnt mean that every club in the county is frequently involved in mass brawls just that its rare for this to occur in kilcoo as well as others.
Listen we all know that when you play kilcoo and especially when you play them at home you are gonna get hit and hit hard maybe these tyronies just could not take it and handbags turned nasty.........probably nothing to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Malone Aristocrat on March 24, 2009, 12:55:03 PM

What the feck is going on with down senior footballers?

Is that Limerick's first points in the league?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on March 24, 2009, 01:19:33 PM
Quote from: off the laces on March 24, 2009, 12:44:03 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on March 24, 2009, 11:45:08 AM
to be fair (and it pains me) on the field they are not all that bad, no worse than most the teams in the county

edit to say that this dosnt mean that every club in the county is frequently involved in mass brawls just that its rare for this to occur in kilcoo as well as others.
Listen we all know that when you play kilcoo and especially when you play them at home you are gonna get hit and hit hard maybe these tyronies just could not take it and handbags turned nasty.........probably nothing to it.
Im tellin ya them kilcoo boys are coorse
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 24, 2009, 01:22:25 PM
Quote from: Final Whistle on March 24, 2009, 11:42:03 AM
mass brawl in a friendly against Eglish. Reports suggest their actions were seriously unsavoury!!!

i know they have a rep, just how bad are they?

Totally against their character, ;) ;) Typical dirty Tyrone C***S :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on March 24, 2009, 01:54:08 PM
Anyone at either of the hurling games on sunday? South down just cant seem to get a win, what is going on with them? and how come big coutney didnt start for the seniors? is he/was he injured?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 25, 2009, 08:39:44 AM
Championship draws tomorrow night in the Canal Court. Anybody going who could post the draws?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 25, 2009, 12:28:07 PM
The draw is live on Five FM. www.fivefm.co.uk
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 25, 2009, 12:46:11 PM
The following are the teams and their grades for the draw on Thursday night.

SFC

Mayobridge
Kilcoo
Rostrevor
Castlewellan
Burren
Clonduff
Longstone
Loughinisland
Saval
Liatroim
An Riocht
Ballyholland
Bryansford
Annaclone (IFC Champions) (Moved up from IFC grade)
Banbridge (Moved up from IFC grade)
Warrenpoint (Moved up from IFC grade)


IFC

Shamrocks
Ballymartin (Moved down from SFC grade)
Darragh Cross
Atticall (Moved down from SFC grade)
Tullylish
Downpatrick (Moved down from SFC grade)
Kilclief
Dundrum
Glasdrumman
Ardglass
Bredagh
Carryduff
Drumgath
Drumaness (Moved up from JFC grade)
Saul
St Johns (JFC Winners) (Moved up from JFC grade)


JFC

St Pauls
Glenn
Teconnaught (Moved down from IFC grade)
Bosco (Moved down from IFC grade)
St Michaels
Mitchels
Aghaderg
Dromara
Bright
Ballykinlar
Aughlisnafin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 26, 2009, 06:18:08 PM
what time is the draw due to take place? Is the minor draw tonight as well?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on March 26, 2009, 07:47:12 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 26, 2009, 06:18:08 PM
what time is the draw due to take place? Is the minor draw tonight as well?



7.30 according to the county website but no word of it yet on the radio!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 26, 2009, 08:05:48 PM
Aye Cloneman, been listening from 7:30, Jez theres some shite on that station
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 26, 2009, 08:29:57 PM
Just got a text that Ballyholland have drawn Burren in the SFC 1st round.

Looks like the St Mary's men are going to have to wait another year before reclaiming what used to be theirs every year  ;)


I've no other details to save yis asking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on March 26, 2009, 08:33:54 PM
We got the bridge ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saffron sam2 on March 26, 2009, 08:34:07 PM
Did Dan McCartan play for Down seniors in 1975?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 26, 2009, 08:36:04 PM
Kilcoo v Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on March 26, 2009, 08:36:39 PM
Clann na banna v an riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 26, 2009, 08:37:04 PM
Quote from: cloneman on March 26, 2009, 08:33:54 PM
We got the bridge ;D

You hear rest of draw?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on March 26, 2009, 08:48:46 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 26, 2009, 08:37:04 PM
Quote from: cloneman on March 26, 2009, 08:33:54 PM
We got the bridge ;D

You hear rest of draw?

No, I was listening to 5FM but there was no word of it.   Got a text with our draw.  Anyone know what happened with the radio coverage?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on March 26, 2009, 08:52:33 PM
here's  some i know

bridge v  clone
kilcoo  v   'ford
r'trevor  v c'duff
burren  v  b'holland
laoitrim  v  l'stone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on March 26, 2009, 08:52:54 PM
Quote from: cloneman on March 26, 2009, 08:48:46 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 26, 2009, 08:37:04 PM
Quote from: cloneman on March 26, 2009, 08:33:54 PM
We got the bridge ;D

You hear rest of draw?

No, I was listening to 5FM but there was no word of it.   Got a text with our draw.  Anyone know what happened with the radio coverage?

The devil went down to Geogia was the mot exciting thing on that radio show!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on March 26, 2009, 08:55:28 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on March 26, 2009, 08:58:00 PM

u sure its b/bridge v l'island, i got a text to say we got an riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on March 26, 2009, 08:59:38 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on March 26, 2009, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on March 26, 2009, 08:55:28 PM
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u sure i got a text to say we got an riocht

your right got mixed up trying to remember,  that why i deleted it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 26, 2009, 09:00:50 PM
Right, WTFs happening?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on March 26, 2009, 09:07:30 PM
Rostrevor v Clonduff
Bridge V Annaclone
Ballyholland V Burren,
Liatroim V Longstone,
Bryansford V Kilcoo
An Riocht V Clann Na Banna
Loughinisland V Warrenpoint
Castlewellan V Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 26, 2009, 09:10:53 PM
any more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on March 26, 2009, 09:12:56 PM
All good ties.  6 that could be decided with the toss of a coin, the other 2 being Id expect Mayobridge to be too strong for Annaclone + Burren for Ballyholland but you never know.

I'll put my neck on the line now before any league form and say...

Rostrevor v Clonduff  By 3 After a Replay!
Bridge V Annaclone  By 7 points
Ballyholland V Burren, By 4 points
Liatroim V Longstone, By 2 points
Bryansford V Kilcoo By 3 points after a replay
An Riocht V Clann Na Banna By 1 point
Loughinisland V Warrenpoint  By 4 points
Castlewellan V Saval By 3 points

This crystal Ball is some job ;)!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 26, 2009, 09:14:49 PM
come on people, what about the intermediate, minor and hurling draw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on March 26, 2009, 09:21:39 PM
Sorry Squareball, I just got the SFC texted to me!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on March 26, 2009, 10:16:03 PM
Not a bad draw atall lads, i fancy Bryansford to make an upset ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on March 26, 2009, 10:41:06 PM
In the JFC heard that Glenn got paired with St. Michael's with the winners playing Bosco
Glenn Minors drawn away to Drumaness in first round of Minor c'ship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 26, 2009, 10:50:43 PM
Full fixture list on Down website
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 26, 2009, 11:30:45 PM
RESERVE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP         
(1)   Breachtain         v   Ard Ghlais
(2)   Ti Chonnachta      v   Noamh Pol
(3)   Droim an Easa      v   Dun Droma
(4)   Misteiligh An Iuir      v   Naomh Michil
(5)   Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh                   v   Naomh Eoin
(6)   Noamh Eoin Bosco      v   Seamrogai an Iuir
(7)   Sabhall Phádraig      v   Clann na Banna
(8)   Caislean Ruairi      v   Liatroim
(9)   Boireann         v   Droim Gath
(10)   Ath Bhriain         v   An Riocht
(11)   Glasdromainn      v   Breadach
(12)   Caislean An Mhuilinn   V   Ait Tí Chathail
(13)   Droichead Mhaigh Eo   V   Cros Darach
(14)   Cluain Daimh      V   An Ghleann
(15)   Down Masters      V   Cill Chua
(16)   Cil Cleithe         v   BYE

PREMIER RESERVE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP         
(a)   Baile Ui Mhairtin      v   Breadach
(b)   Liatroim         v   Cloch Fhada
(c)   Cill Chua         v   Droichead Mhaigh Eo
(d)   Boireann         v   Sabhaill
         
Roinn 1
(1)   Caislean an Mhuillin      V   An Riocht
(2)   Eanach Cluana      V   Winner (c)
(3)   Cluain Daimh      V   Dun Padraig
(4)   Ceathtu Aodha Dhuibh   V   Winner (a)
(5)   Loch an Oileain      V   Winner (d)
(6)   Tulach Lis         V   Caislean Ruairi
(7)   Winner (b)         V   Baile Cholmain
(8)   Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua   V   Ath Bhriain


JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP         
(a)   Droim Bearach      V   Achadh Lios na Finne
(b)   Misteiligh an Iuir      V   Ti Chonnachta
(c)   Naomh Michil      V   Gleann
         
Roinn 1         
(1)   Baile Choinnleora      V   Winners (b)
(2)   Achadh Dearg      V   Naomh Pol
(3)   Breachtain         V   Winners (a)
(4)   Naomh Eoin Bosco      V   Winners (c)

AROUND-A-POUND
INTERMEDIATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP         

Roinn 1         
(1)   Glasdromainn      V   Droim an Easa
(2)   Cros Darach         V   Naomh Eoin
(3)   Breadach         V   Ait ti Chathaill
(4)   Dun Droma         V   Sabhall Phádraig
(5)   Dun Padraig         V   Tulach Lis
(6)   Ard Ghlais         V   Ceathru Aodha Dhuibh
(7)   Seamrogai an Iuir      V   Cill Cleithe
(8)   Droim Gath         v   Baile Ui Mhairtin


DEMOCRAT MEDIA
SENIOR HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP         
Roinn 1         
(1)   Port An Phéire      V   Baile Mhic Uileagoid
(2)   Baile Crann         V   Bye


POWERADE SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP         
         
Roinn 1         
(1)   Ath Bhriain         V   Cill Chua
(2)   Liatroim         V   Cloch Fhada
(3)   Baile Cholmain      V   Boireann
(4)   Eanach Cluana      V   Droichead Mhaigh Eo
(5)   Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua   V   Loch an Oileain
(6)   Caislean an Mhuillin      V   Sabhaill
(7)   Cluain Daimh      V   Caislean Ruairi
(8)   An Riocht         v   Clann na Banna


MINOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP         
         
(1)   An Riocht               v   Caislean Ruairi
(2)   An Cloch Fhada            v   Boireann
(3)   Noamh Colman (Tulach Lios/Achada Dearg/Noamh Michil      v   Droichead Mhaigh Eo
(4)   Ard Ghlais               V   Caislean An Mhuilinn
(5)   Clann Na Banna            V   Locha an Oilean
(6)   Droim Gath               V   Cluain Diamh
(7)   Noamh Eoin               V   Cill Chua
(8)   Cill Breachtain (Cill Cleithe/Breachtain)   V   Seamrogai an Iuir
(9)   Noamh Pol               V   Baile Cholmain
(10)   Cill Darach (Cill Ui Lioch/Cros Darach)   V   Noamh Mhuire (Liatrioma/Droim Bearach)
(11)   Noamh Seosamh (Bail Chionnleora/Dun Droma)   V   Ath Bhriain
(12)   Baile Ui Mhairtin            V   Bredach
(13)   Noamh Eoin Bosco            V   RGU Dun Padraig
(14)   Eanach Cluana            V   Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh
(15)   Sabhall               V   Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
(16)   Droim An Easa            v   An Ghleann



PS I was at the draw tonight and I have to say it was a slick operation........much better than previous years with balls falling all over the floor and games getting mixed up, etc, etc. Well done to all concerned..in at half 7 out at half 8..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on March 27, 2009, 06:46:00 AM
Was the draw made for the intermediate and junior hurling last night? or are the county board just leaving that up to the clubs to arrange themselves?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 27, 2009, 09:07:31 AM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on March 27, 2009, 06:46:00 AM
Was the draw made for the intermediate and junior hurling last night? or are the county board just leaving that up to the clubs to arrange themselves?

Delayed to allow hurling clubs to consider changes to the championships proposed by Bredagh. Try to keep up Bredagh Gael  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joxer on March 27, 2009, 09:13:08 AM
Minor League game tomorrow moved to An Riocht at noon I believe?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 27, 2009, 09:19:24 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on March 26, 2009, 08:34:07 PM
Did Dan McCartan play for Down seniors in 1975?

He certainly played in the 74 UF, I think he may have struggled on into 75 but I have no first hand evidence as I was banned from attending Down games for three years following an incident at the aforementioned final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 27, 2009, 09:20:58 AM
 :D :D
Tell us more Passedit! A PM will do if you're shy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 27, 2009, 10:44:05 AM
Quote from: wobbller on March 27, 2009, 10:08:19 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on March 27, 2009, 09:20:58 AM
:D :D
Tell us more Passedit! A PM will do if you're shy.

Oh,he is not shy! ;D

Indeed Wobbller, I never suffered from that affliction.

Lets just say the guards were involved and leave it at that.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 27, 2009, 12:11:18 PM
Hooliganism at a Down game?   :o  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on March 27, 2009, 12:34:07 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on March 27, 2009, 09:07:31 AM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on March 27, 2009, 06:46:00 AM
Was the draw made for the intermediate and junior hurling last night? or are the county board just leaving that up to the clubs to arrange themselves?

Delayed to allow hurling clubs to consider changes to the championships proposed by Bredagh. Try to keep up Bredagh Gael  :)

Jesus i need to start pating a bit more attention! any idea when it will take plce then?
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 27, 2009, 01:02:31 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on March 27, 2009, 12:11:18 PM
Hooliganism at a Down game?   :o  :D

Who said anything about hooliganism. What age do ye boys think I am. Indeed what sort chap do ye think I am.  ;)

Got separated from the oul fella on the hill and dandered the mile or so back to the car and hung around for a couple of hours oblivious to the 'manhunt' going on in town. Said he'd never take me back there and indeed he never did. Next Down game I got to was the AISF in 78.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 27, 2009, 05:26:54 PM
It was a good draw for the Bridge last night, Annaclone will be toughbut i hope we can come through!!! The premier reserve tie v Kilcoo should be a great game, It is always hard to get a a result on Centre court.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on March 27, 2009, 09:49:59 PM
Can anyone confirm the rumour that Cole has been dropped from the county?
Any super reds shed any light?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 27, 2009, 09:53:20 PM
Down team to face Offaly from downgaa.net

Brendan McVeigh
Ciaran McGovern
Aidan Carr
Luke Howard
Damian Rafferty
Kevin McKernan
Conor Garvey
Declan Rooney
Stephen Kearney     
Brendan McArdle
Brendan Coulter   
Daniel Hughes
John Boyle
Ronan Murtagh
Paul McCumiskey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 27, 2009, 10:20:43 PM
No Dan? massive loss. Murphy dropped i take it? Benny the next man being tried at centre half forward. If we loose this one it will be nothing short of a disaster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 27, 2009, 11:02:32 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 27, 2009, 10:20:43 PM
No Dan? massive loss. Murphy dropped i take it? Benny the next man being tried at centre half forward. If we loose this one it will be nothing short of a disaster.

Id presume Murphy and Gordon must be carrying knocks. If they arent injured it is a very big risk not starting them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 27, 2009, 11:56:58 PM
Both recovering from injury, no point in risking them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 28, 2009, 12:08:29 AM
Dan should never had started against Cavan when he was plainly not ready, and he seems to have picked up another knock. Ambrose was even further away from match fitness when he was thrown on early in the second half of the same game, and he has also suffered a setback.

Those judgment calls did not work out for Ross, so he really needs a decent result against Offaly. His son is a fine player, but it is a big gamble to switch him to full back where he was previously tried but did not look comfortable.

Murphy is either dropped or injured and Cole also seems to be out of the picture. With Clarke inexplicably omitted, we are going into a crunch game without some key men who could have made a big difference.

Trying Benny at CHF would have been an idea in the McKenna Cup, but this is not a match for undue experimentation. Free taking without Fegan is also a concern, and there is an air of uncertainty about the entire line-up.

However, we beat this team by almost 20 points in Tullamore last summer and it is a little hard to believe that we could both be heading in opposite directions so quicklly.

A win will put us very close to promotion, and, at this stage, we should take any points which are available and worry about the performance afterwards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 28, 2009, 12:46:59 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 28, 2009, 12:08:29 AM
However, we beat this team by almost 20 points in Tullamore last summer and it is a little hard to believe that we could both be heading in opposite directions so quicklly.

A win will put us very close to promotion, and, at this stage, we should take any points which are available and worry about the performance afterwards.

Offaly can never be as bad again as they were in Tullamore last summer, they will be a much better team tomorrow night. On the other hand this is a much weaker Down team than that which played Offaly last year. Last summers line up was, B McVeigh, L Howard, M Cole, D Rafferty, A Carr, K McKernan, P Murphy, D Gordon, J Colgan, A Rodgers, B Coulter, D Hughes, J Clarke, R Murtagh, J Fegan.  7 of that team are not starting tomorrow night for one reason or another.
It is time that the best players in the county were back on the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 28, 2009, 01:00:14 AM
Trevor Hill's conclusion is qute right, although Colgan did not feature in the actual team in Tullamore. Let's hope that we can celebrate a win in Newry rather than look back on missed opportunities.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 28, 2009, 01:06:34 AM
Who started in place of Colgan? I cant be bothered to go hunting through programmes at this time of night.
On the subject of Colgan, isnt it time he was on the panel and given a fair chance at a place on the team. His only start last year then was against Armagh and I thought he did ok that day. Ross more than anyone has to get his act together and soon. Another year in the third division is simply not good enough, in fact if Down are in the third division next year I will buy Ross and DJ a pair of season tickets, they will need them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 28, 2009, 01:42:14 AM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on March 28, 2009, 01:06:34 AM
Who started in place of Colgan? I cant be bothered to go hunting through programmes at this time of night.
On the subject of Colgan, isnt it time he was on the panel and given a fair chance at a place on the team. His only start last year then was against Armagh and I thought he did ok that day. Ross more than anyone has to get his act together and soon. Another year in the third division is simply not good enough, in fact if Down are in the third division next year I will buy Ross and DJ a pair of season tickets, they will need them.

Would they even use them if they weren,t the Managers?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 28, 2009, 11:18:23 AM
The Colgan story is a strange one, as he did reasonably well after a shaky opening on his first championship start at Armaghi  July. He was then named to start against Offaly in the qualifiers, but was dropped as part of a couple of late changes before the throw-in. He was not used for the rest of the qualifiers, even as a sub, even though he was fit. He played for UUJ in the McKenna Cup and did not make our league squad, so we can be fairlly sure that he does not feature in the manager's plans at all.

No one is saying that he is an outstanding midfielder, and he clearly lacks some pace, but he is solid, strong, uses the ball well and can take a score. It is hard to believe that he could be rated such a long way behind Jackie Lynch, for example. Perhaps something happened behind the scenes, but Colgan is only one of a number of players who really should be in the squad.

Tonight is starting to look like a very big game indeed. If Ross get the win, and has his selections and tactics vindicated, promotion will be almost in the bag and we will go into the chamionship on a high. If things go astray again, questions will be asked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 28, 2009, 12:13:10 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 28, 2009, 11:18:23 AM
Tonight is starting to look like a very big game indeed. If Ross get the win, and has his selections and tactics vindicated, promotion will be almost in the bag and we will go into the championship on a high. If things go astray again, questions will be asked.

Even if we manage a win tonight and get at least a point against Roscommon I do not think that this team will be on a high, in fact if we manage to get promoted it will be because other teams have tripped over each other. Down have been quite poor this year, with only one decent performance all year against Louth. Down were poor against Tipperary, the scoreline flattered Down in my opinion. We lost to Cavan and Limerick who were the two bottom teams in the division and we beat Longford, who were dire.
We cannot continue to field teams without the strongest players in the county. Why is John Clarke not on the team? Why was Michael Walsh sitting in the stand in Longford? What has happened to Martin Cole? What about Colgan? These are questions than need answered, if only because of the inept performances both on the field and on the sideline. If Down were winning we, the supporters, would not be asking these questions. Ross and Co are not doing a good job at the minute, the frustration from the supporters was clearly evident at half time in Limerick. Ross stood and watched Down lose a 3-1 lead after 10 minutes to what became a 5 point deficit at half time, he did not think of making a change until more than 34 minutes had been played. Down were second best all over the field, I could see it, everyone in the stand could see it, but the management ignored what was staring them in the face. Cast your mind back to Celtic Park in 1994. Joe Brolly was roasting John Kelly in the first few minutes of the game. He was taken off to be replaced by Paul Higgins, the rest as they say is history. You have to make changes when changes are needed.
We do not have the luxury of buying players when other players are injured, we must use the best players in the county. At present we are not doing that for whatever reason and it is clearly evident by looking at the league table. Defeat tonight will probably mean another year in Division 3 and that is simply not good enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 28, 2009, 01:57:58 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on March 28, 2009, 12:13:10 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 28, 2009, 11:18:23 AM
Tonight is starting to look like a very big game indeed. If Ross get the win, and has his selections and tactics vindicated, promotion will be almost in the bag and we will go into the championship on a high. If things go astray again, questions will be asked.

Even if we manage a win tonight and get at least a point against Roscommon I do not think that this team will be on a high, in fact if we manage to get promoted it will be because other teams have tripped over each other. Down have been quite poor this year, with only one decent performance all year against Louth. Down were poor against Tipperary, the scoreline flattered Down in my opinion. We lost to Cavan and Limerick who were the two bottom teams in the division and we beat Longford, who were dire.
We cannot continue to field teams without the strongest players in the county. Why is John Clarke not on the team? Why was Michael Walsh sitting in the stand in Longford? What has happened to Martin Cole? What about Colgan? These are questions than need answered, if only because of the inept performances both on the field and on the sideline. If Down were winning we, the supporters, would not be asking these questions. Ross and Co are not doing a good job at the minute, the frustration from the supporters was clearly evident at half time in Limerick. Ross stood and watched Down lose a 3-1 lead after 10 minutes to what became a 5 point deficit at half time, he did not think of making a change until more than 34 minutes had been played. Down were second best all over the field, I could see it, everyone in the stand could see it, but the management ignored what was staring them in the face. Cast your mind back to Celtic Park in 1994. Joe Brolly was roasting John Kelly in the first few minutes of the game. He was taken off to be replaced by Paul Higgins, the rest as they say is history. You have to make changes when changes are needed.
We do not have the luxury of buying players when other players are injured, we must use the best players in the county. At present we are not doing that for whatever reason and it is clearly evident by looking at the league table. Defeat tonight will probably mean another year in Division 3 and that is simply not good enough.

Very well put. everything you say is correct. we should be confident of beating offaly but there is a big worry of loosing tonight. lets just hope the boys can get a result but also give a performance to lift team spirits and confidence and give a feel good factor to supporters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 28, 2009, 02:24:35 PM
Down minors where defeated by Monaghan today in ulster minor league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 28, 2009, 04:32:34 PM
St. Malachys Caslewellan defeated Clonakilty College by 18 points in all ireland vocational simi final today in portlaoise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 28, 2009, 06:59:06 PM
Have to say I have no confidence in the Down Minor management. Strange panel- I know at least 2 players from our club who should be on the team but haven't even made the panel.As I've said before , my daughter could have managed a team with Clarke, Colgan and Mc Comiskey to win an All-Ireland - what have they done since then ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 28, 2009, 09:30:29 PM
down won 2-15 1-7 in the end tonight, we got a goal in the 2nd half after offaly came out brighter and then tagged on points after that to keep a safe distance infront. Hughes and mccomisky worked well in the foward line and pete fitzpatrick did well when he came on. Mckernan came off injured near the end of 1st half and it looked bad!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 28, 2009, 11:43:44 PM
Any manager who wins an all Ireland minor title deserves full credit, but our displays at this level since the 2005 success have been generally poor. One win in three championship seasons tells its own story, especially as there have been some decent players there.
We were in a winning position early in the second half against Tyrone in Omagh last summer, but they made the right changes and we simply did not. The result was another all Ireland for Tyrone, when we at the very least had a team capable of delivering an Ulster title.
Starting with two league defeats is another bad sign this time round, and the squad should be reviewed sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on March 29, 2009, 08:02:03 PM
Results

ACPRL Division 1

Bryansford  1-6 2-7 Burren   
Rostrevor  3-8 0-15 Kilcoo   
An Riocht  0-14 1-6 Ballymartin 
Liatriom  1-7 1-10 Castlewellan   
Clonduff  2-9 3-6 Mayobridge 
ACPRL Division 2

Warrenpoint  2-10 4-10 Ballyholland   
Carryduff  5-9 1-7 Longstone   
Bredagh  1-6 0-12 Tullylish 
Loughinisland  1-11 0-5 Downpatrick 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 29, 2009, 09:48:00 PM
Thought Glasdsrumman did Down proud in Celebrity Banisteoir.The players,officials and supporters were great.Could have done with more of the game but best of luck to the lads in Limerick this weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on March 29, 2009, 10:07:34 PM
Cavan performed well today-doing down a favour.
we need at least a draw on easter sunday!
can anyone post Div 3 table
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 29, 2009, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 29, 2009, 09:48:00 PM
Thought Glasdsrumman did Down proud in Celebrity Banisteoir.The players,officials and supporters were great.Could have done with more of the game but best of luck to the lads in Limerick this weekend.
Is there no Glasdrumman men on the Minors?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 29, 2009, 11:54:03 PM
Ryan Doran of Glasdrumman is in the Down minor squad and is a likely starter for the championship side.GAAhead2008 should check the division three thread on the main site or downgaa.net, which both confirm that we can afford to lose by up to ten points in Roscommon and still be promoted on scoring difference.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on March 30, 2009, 09:01:05 AM
East Down Res League

Bredagh 3rds 2-11 St Paul's 2nds 2-07

Any more scores?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on March 30, 2009, 10:46:54 AM
Darragh Cross IIs 3-11
Carryduff IIIs 1-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on March 30, 2009, 11:18:51 PM
Quote from: wobbller on March 29, 2009, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 29, 2009, 09:48:00 PM
Thought Glasdsrumman did Down proud in Celebrity Banisteoir.The players,officials and supporters were great.Could have done with more of the game but best of luck to the lads in Limerick this weekend.
Is there no Glasdrumman men on the Minors?

is the corner forward not on the minors? harrison?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 31, 2009, 10:19:19 AM
QuoteEast Down Res League

Bredagh 3rds 2-11 St Paul's 2nds 2-07

Any more scores?

Bright II's 0-4 v Kilclief II's 4-22
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 31, 2009, 12:08:10 PM
Dundrum II beat st johns II by a point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on March 31, 2009, 03:57:24 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on March 30, 2009, 11:18:51 PM
Quote from: wobbller on March 29, 2009, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 29, 2009, 09:48:00 PM
Thought Glasdsrumman did Down proud in Celebrity Banisteoir.The players,officials and supporters were great.Could have done with more of the game but best of luck to the lads in Limerick this weekend.
Is there no Glasdrumman men on the Minors?

is the corner forward not on the minors? harrison?

He was last year. Over age this year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 31, 2009, 10:08:46 PM
Just want to say a big well done to St Pauls, who on Sunday fielded 2 teams in the East Down U-12 Leagues. As far as im aware their A team also defeated Kilcoo in Kilcoo which is no mean feat.

To field two teams shows the progress that is being made in North Down regarding the promotion of GAA. Newtownards, Bangor and Holywood are by no means a hotbed of GAA activity and I think that what St Pauls have achieved in fielding two under-12 teams should be applauded.

Well done!


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on March 31, 2009, 11:04:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 31, 2009, 10:08:46 PM
Just want to say a big well done to St Pauls, who on Sunday fielded 2 teams in the East Down U-12 Leagues. As far as im aware their A team also defeated Kilcoo in Kilcoo which is no mean feat.

To field two teams shows the progress that is being made in North Down regarding the promotion of GAA. Newtownards, Bangor and Holywood are by no means a hotbed of GAA activity and I think that what St Pauls have achieved in fielding two under-12 teams should be applauded.

Well done!




thanks very much DF, I can't claim to have had a hand in the progress of our under age teams, but it is all down to the hard work of a few men within the club, who over the last number of years have dedicated their time on a Sunday morning in getting the kids developed into the players that they are today.

Our A team defeated Kilcoo by 2 points in Kilcoo, and our B team only lost by 2 points to St. Joseph's (an amalgamation of yourselves and Ballykinler) at home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on April 01, 2009, 12:27:11 AM
Down manager Ross Carr faces an anxious wait to discover if defender Kevin McKernan's season is over.

The centre back damaged shoulder ligaments in last Saturday night's facile NFL victory over Offaly in Newry, but it's feared that the injury could be even more serious, and further tests will be carried out to determine the extent of the injury.

Carr's assistant DJ Kane said the management are resigned to being without McKernan for the rest of the league campaign.

"He was all strapped up after the game and he went to the Abbey," he said.

"The shoulder came out, but it appears it went back in too. So it is really ligament damage we're looking at.

"It is hard to put a date on it exactly so early but we are looking at anything from three to six months."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 01, 2009, 08:00:11 AM
Any one know starting team for under 21 simi final against Tyrone tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 01, 2009, 09:05:48 AM
Is it a 7:30 or 8 bells throw in tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on April 01, 2009, 11:04:54 AM
8 O`Clock
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 01, 2009, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on April 01, 2009, 12:27:11 AM
Down manager Ross Carr faces an anxious wait to discover if defender Kevin McKernan's season is over.

The centre back damaged shoulder ligaments in last Saturday night's facile NFL victory over Offaly in Newry, but it's feared that the injury could be even more serious, and further tests will be carried out to determine the extent of the injury.

Carr's assistant DJ Kane said the management are resigned to being without McKernan for the rest of the league campaign.

"He was all strapped up after the game and he went to the Abbey," he said.

"The shoulder came out, but it appears it went back in too. So it is really ligament damage we're looking at.

"It is hard to put a date on it exactly so early but we are looking at anything from three to six months."

why would he go to the Abbey???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on April 01, 2009, 04:13:10 PM
 ;D yes was thinking that myself !!

anyone think we ll win 2night??

Mc kernan would be a blow i feel for our seniors
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on April 01, 2009, 04:14:08 PM
Fixtures for this weekend gents?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 01, 2009, 04:24:31 PM
Quote from: corn02 on April 01, 2009, 04:14:08 PM
Fixtures for this weekend gents?

don't think there are any corn, bar Reserve games. leagues don't start until 17th April.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on April 01, 2009, 04:47:50 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 01, 2009, 04:24:31 PM
Quote from: corn02 on April 01, 2009, 04:14:08 PM
Fixtures for this weekend gents?

don't think there are any corn, bar Reserve games. leagues don't start until 17th April.

Cheers St Pauls. I thoguht they were commencing this week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on April 02, 2009, 07:30:23 AM
Down 2-14 Tyrone 1-14

Down will face Armagh in the final of the Cadbury's Ulster Under-21 Football Championship on 15 April after semi-final wins on Wednesday.

Goals from Paul McComiskey and Michael Magee helped Down to a 2-14 to 1-14 win over Tyrone at Pairc Esler in Newry.

Tyrone were leading by 1-13 to 1-9 with eight minutes to go when Magee's goal turned the tide.

Armagh reached the Casement Park decider by beating Donegal 1-10 to 0-6 in the other semi-final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 02, 2009, 07:57:34 AM
Great game and Down need to kick on with the outstanding attacking players on show last night (again).
Thought McComiskey, Maginn and Devlin were immense. Referee didnt help this trio much though it has to be said.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 02, 2009, 09:18:24 AM
This is a good U21 team.
Decisive (and measured) sideline management could be an example to others.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on April 02, 2009, 10:59:54 AM
Any one have U21 squad with clubs as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 02, 2009, 03:45:35 PM
Quote from: corn02 on April 02, 2009, 10:59:54 AM
Any one have U21 squad with clubs as well?

From last night:

Gavin Joyce - Ballymartin

Mark Digney - Newry Shamrocks
Niall Higgins - Annaclone
Damien Turley - Downpatrick

Conor Poland - Longstone
John Fitzpatrick - Ballymartin
Timmy Hanna - Bryansford

Michael Magee - Ardglass
Pete Fitzpatrick - Ballymartin

Eamon Toner - Burren
Conor Maginn - Bryansford
Jamie O'Reilly - Loughinisland

Paul Devlin - Kilcoo
Paul McComiskey - Dundrum
Ben O'Reilly - Loughinisland


Subs: Joe Murphy - Ballyholland, Ryan McGovern - Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on April 02, 2009, 06:03:12 PM
Interesting to see 8 East Down lads in the starting 15 - Would I be right in saying this would be a trend in the successful county sides down the years? Given that Doyle is injured the current senior group would only have Gordan, Howard and McComiskey from East Down as certain staters.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 02, 2009, 07:53:16 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 02, 2009, 09:18:24 AM
This is a good U21 team.
Decisive (and measured) sideline management could be an example to others.

Agreed.
And this team was beaten by Cavan at minor. Yet the same minor management is still in place .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 02, 2009, 08:35:32 PM
Joe Umbrella - why do people like yourself persist in trying to find some sort of magical power in the imaginary line that divides our county? Such a load of nonsense I've never heard before.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on April 02, 2009, 10:46:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2009, 08:35:32 PM
Joe Umbrella - why do people like yourself persist in trying to find some sort of magical power in the imaginary line that divides our county? Such a load of nonsense I've never heard before.

Do you take issue with inter-county comparisons also?
Or those based on the notional little lines divvying up continental Europe?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on April 03, 2009, 02:01:04 PM
just a thought... if the u21's win wednesday week and end up in an all ireland semi final on the following saturday will that disrupt the commencement of the senior league s ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 03, 2009, 02:01:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2009, 08:35:32 PM
Joe Umbrella - why do people like yourself persist in trying to find some sort of magical power in the imaginary line that divides our county? Such a load of nonsense I've never heard before.

I agree, but everyone knows the best footballers are from south down ;D ;) ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on April 03, 2009, 05:16:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 02, 2009, 08:35:32 PM
Joe Umbrella - why do people like yourself persist in trying to find some sort of magical power in the imaginary line that divides our county? Such a load of nonsense I've never heard before.

With lines like that maybe you want to try your hand at writing some childrens fantasy novels, a little bit dramatic don't you think?

I don't believe that there is any specific geographic divide within 'our county' nor do I persist in trying to find it - this is the first time I have mentioned it on this forum. The point I was trying to make is that I believe that football at this present time appears to be alot stronger at one part of the county than at the other end (some might refer to as east Down or South Down but that clearly puts peoples knickers into twists)which is reflected in the player representation of our senior county team and also the two top divisons of the senior league.

It only stands to sense that if there is a difference in standard of footballers from one part of 'a county' to another then the catchment area for county selection is smaller and the odds of sucess at this level are higher.      
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 03, 2009, 09:31:38 PM
Really, I have no idea how I interpreted the following statement so wrongly.
QuoteWould I be right in saying this would be a trend in the successful county sides down the years? Given that Doyle is injured the current senior group would only have Gordan, Howard and McComiskey from East Down as certain staters.

:-\


Anyways, dramatic or not, I do find the regular complaints of South Down bias more than a tad insulting to anyone involved in county teams. South Down has a bigger catchment area and isn't afflicted with the stickfighting disease, so it makes sense that this side of the divide would normally have the higher representation. 


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 03, 2009, 10:39:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 03, 2009, 09:31:38 PM
Really, I have no idea how I interpreted the following statement so wrongly.
QuoteWould I be right in saying this would be a trend in the successful county sides down the years? Given that Doyle is injured the current senior group would only have Gordan, Howard and McComiskey from East Down as certain staters.

:-\


Anyways, dramatic or not, I do find the regular complaints of South Down bias more than a tad insulting to anyone involved in county teams. South Down has a bigger catchment area and isn't afflicted with the stickfighting disease, so it makes sense that this side of the divide would normally have the higher representation.  
In 1991 eight of the starting 15 were from East Down & in 1994 seven East Down men started, so how can you say that it makes sense that South Down should have the higher representation, bigger catchment areas don't neccesarily produce better gaelic footballers as we all well know.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 03, 2009, 11:00:18 PM
Quotewould normally
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 03, 2009, 11:34:37 PM
I agree with Wobbler that the South Down/East Down thing is a bit tiresome,  and I really don't believe that Kilcoo for example would have more players in the senior county team if the dividing line moved a mile or so up the road.  However, the idea that South Down has a bigger catchment area is wrong. The area covered by the East Down Board has at least twice and probably closer to three times the population of its southern counterpart. Most of those are from the Protestant/Unionist tradition, and not likely to be involved in the GAA, but there are also a substantial number of people from a nationalist background in East Down who stick to soccer rather than Gaelic games. If the GAA attracted the same overall commitment in the east as it does in the south, it would not be 15 years since our last senior football provincial title.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on April 04, 2009, 01:43:38 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 03, 2009, 11:00:18 PM
Quotewould normally
much as I hate the south down east down thing, your argument does not stand up to scutiny as it is one south down club that has been dominant not the divisional area. Over the last two decades there have been more East Down clubs who have prevailed in theSFC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on April 04, 2009, 02:21:48 PM
Cheers Downfanatic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on April 04, 2009, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 03, 2009, 09:31:38 PM
Really, I have no idea how I interpreted the following statement so wrongly.
QuoteWould I be right in saying this would be a trend in the successful county sides down the years? Given that Doyle is injured the current senior group would only have Gordan, Howard and McComiskey from East Down as certain staters.

:-\


Anyways, dramatic or not, I do find the regular complaints of South Down bias more than a tad insulting to anyone involved in county teams. South Down has a bigger catchment area and isn't afflicted with the stickfighting disease, so it makes sense that this side of the divide would normally have the higher representation. 




O dear knickers in a twist again, you have missed my point yet again.

I never made any complaints about south down bias.

I stated that there are probably only 3 or 4 players from east down that will start in a first choice 15. Now lets make this clear, I myself beleive that only those 3 or 4 players are good enough to be on the senior first 15. I also beleive that the management have selected the best squad available to them within all the county (with the exception of Wash, Clarke and Colgan) and that there has been no east/south Down bias in terms of team selection.

Now I will repeat this again, football in the eastern part of the county is alot weaker than in South Down - that is my belief as a Gael from East Down. This is due to the fact  the likes of Downpatrick, Castlewellan and Bryansford have struggled in the past couple of years for a variety of reasons and that those tight hoors from kilcoo don't mix it at county level.

But its not all doom and gloom, the clubs I mentioned above are now backboned by a lot of decent youngsters as reflected on both last years and this years u/21 sides. In addition Loughinisland have a strong squad and all this only bodes well for our future county senior teams.


Football will always be a hotbed in south Down, but when the standards drop in the rest of the county (as they seem to every few years) then the county team is much more likely to struggle - this would be the case anywhere else, and appears to be the case in Down when you look at how the successful teams of the 60s and 90s were made up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 04, 2009, 03:13:32 PM
Well done to St. John's on a great night last night in the CC with their "Not a question of sport" event.  Mickey Harte, Benny Teirney, Trevor Ringland, Neil Collins and Paddy Heany were taking questions with Austin O'Callaghan as MC.  Great nights value, Tierney should have been a comedian.  Harte was getting a bit hot under the collar at one stage when he was being asked about cynical teams and referees.  Austin was made to squirm a bit when asked about the poor coverage of Gaelic games on the beeb and UTV.

The got a big turn out and I hope they did well out of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 04, 2009, 04:37:32 PM
Glasdrumman are through to the final of Celebrity Banisteoir after beating St Patrick's GAC by eight points in Limerick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 04, 2009, 06:56:31 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on April 04, 2009, 02:28:31 PM
Now I will repeat this again, football in the eastern part of the county is alot weaker than in South Down - that is my belief as a Gael from East Down.

+1

True (and I'm also east down).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on April 04, 2009, 07:11:14 PM
Lads anyone any idea what the outcome of the meeting re; intermediate and junior hurling championship on wednesday night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on April 04, 2009, 10:18:43 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on April 04, 2009, 07:11:14 PM
Lads anyone any idea what the outcome of the meeting re; intermediate and junior hurling championship on wednesday night?

With regards the Down Intermediate Championship, im led to believe that it will be contested solely by non-ards teams with the winner representing Down in Ulster. There will then be another competition ran in the summer called possibly the Betsy Gray which will be contested by the Ards II's as well as the Non-ards Intermediate clubs, the winner of this competion will then be allowed to re-enter the competition the following year so that fellas aren't missing out on a years Hurling as was the case by winning the Intermedite. This is what ive been told but im open to correction.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 06, 2009, 12:36:25 PM
East Down Reserve League Results

A1
Teconnaught 1-07  Dundrum 3-06

A2
Ardglass  4-12   2-04 Darragh Cross   
St Pauls  1-17   2-03 Saul 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on April 06, 2009, 01:35:11 PM
EDRFL

St Johns bt Bryansford III's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 07, 2009, 10:54:44 AM
Quote from: johnthebanker on April 07, 2009, 08:05:30 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on April 04, 2009, 10:18:43 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on April 04, 2009, 07:11:14 PM
Lads anyone any idea what the outcome of the meeting re; intermediate and junior hurling championship on wednesday night?

With regards the Down Intermediate Championship, im led to believe that it will be contested solely by non-ards teams with the winner representing Down in Ulster. There will then be another competition ran in the summer called possibly the Betsy Gray which will be contested by the Ards II's as well as the Non-ards Intermediate clubs, the winner of this competion will then be allowed to re-enter the competition the following year so that fellas aren't missing out on a years Hurling as was the case by winning the Intermedite. This is what ive been told but im open to correction.




that well kep bredagh and newry happy  ;D ;D ;D ;D maybe better off with go games  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Good man John, when did your mammy get the broadband in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 07, 2009, 12:53:48 PM
Round three of premier reserve football is on Easter Monday at 6pm >:( :o >:(
Title: Reserve Football
Post by: No1 on April 07, 2009, 01:08:45 PM
  Saw that today right nuff, they do that every year.  Ridiculous.  Thank f**k we are playing EDRFL this year! 

  Never thought I'd see the day but thank God for Satch and the boys on the East Down Board  ;D

  Kilclief seconds beat Bredagh III's by a heap in the EDRFL last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 08, 2009, 01:01:55 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 07, 2009, 12:53:48 PM
Round three of premier reserve football is on Easter Monday at 6pm >:( :o >:(

You should welcome a quick chance of getting back on winning ways ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: illdecide on April 09, 2009, 12:30:10 PM
Lads we (Clan na Gael) have a friendly with Kilcoo tonight and i'm not 100% sure on the directions...Can someone please advise...

If we go to Banbridge - Rathfriland - Hilltown - Head for Fofany - I think thats near the Bryansford Rd?? (i know thats not how you spell it) am i near it???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 09, 2009, 12:36:46 PM
ill decide -

When you get to Hilltown from Rathfriland, take a left heading downhill through the village. Continue straight for about 4-5 miles. You'll then come to a staggered crossroads with a pub on your left.

Take a right at the crossroads and after about a mile you'll be in Kilcoo central. Oh, the fun.

Plough on through Kilcoo and not too long later you'll see a country pub on your left. Take the next left after the pub onto a road that looks like it leads nowhere. It actually leads to their pitch, after about 200 yards, on your left.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: illdecide on April 09, 2009, 12:59:10 PM
Thanks there chief...I take it we go past Clonduff's pitch and head out that road??? It is onlt 5 miles from Hilltown to the junction of the Castlewellan/Dublin Road??? I assume that junction your refeering to is before that main junction???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 09, 2009, 01:29:09 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 09, 2009, 12:59:10 PM
Thanks there chief...I take it we go past Clonduff's pitch and head out that road??? It is onlt 5 miles from Hilltown to the junction of the Castlewellan/Dublin Road??? I assume that junction your refeering to is before that main junction???

Your getting completley round about and wrong directions. from Rathfriland dont turn for hilltown, go straight for Castlewellan. Kilcoo is 4 mile from rathfriland exactly between it and Castlewellan on main Dublin Road. When entering village the road to pitch is on left hand side about 1/4 mile from church.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on April 09, 2009, 01:33:15 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 09, 2009, 12:59:10 PM
Thanks there chief...I take it we go past Clonduff's pitch and head out that road??? It is onlt 5 miles from Hilltown to the junction of the Castlewellan/Dublin Road??? I assume that junction your refeering to is before that main junction???

head east from rathfriland and follow the smell
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 09, 2009, 01:40:07 PM
Mid Down Gael's diections are spot on.  illdecide let us know how you get on and especially if there is any boxing done.  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: illdecide on April 09, 2009, 02:23:50 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 09, 2009, 01:40:07 PM
Mid Down Gael's diections are spot on.  illdecide let us know how you get on and especially if there is any boxing done.  ;)  ;D

I better still have my front teeth tomorrow morning...you know what yoy Down hoors are like :P Near as bad as them Tyronies savages...lol

I think that road to the left before St Mary's church/chapel is called "Bannfield Road"??? would that be right?  I have a software package on the PC here that tells me this info but it just doesn't know ant GAA (Hoors) :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: illdecide on April 09, 2009, 02:43:36 PM
OK lads i found it...Thru the village past St Malachy's church and take next left (Moyadd cotages) and continue down that lane for 350m and pitch is on left...Thanks lads...Kilcoo by 12pts :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 09, 2009, 02:43:52 PM
Sorry to bring my old chesnut up again but I do believe Loughinisland have delved into the transfer market once again.

Now Island Boy/Blue Island, correct me if im wrong, but is the Conor Megoran listed as a Loughinisland player for the Down U-17 trials not the Conor Megoran who has been starring for Drumaness underage teams for the past 5 or 6 years?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on April 09, 2009, 03:59:08 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 09, 2009, 02:43:52 PM
Sorry to bring my old chesnut up again but I do believe Loughinisland have delved into the transfer market once again.

Now Island Boy/Blue Island, correct me if im wrong, but is the Conor Megoran listed as a Loughinisland player for the Down U-17 trials not the Conor Megoran who has been starring for Drumaness underage teams for the past 5 or 6 years?

You don't miss a trick DownFanatic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 09, 2009, 04:07:32 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on April 09, 2009, 03:59:08 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 09, 2009, 02:43:52 PM
Sorry to bring my old chesnut up again but I do believe Loughinisland have delved into the transfer market once again.

Now Island Boy/Blue Island, correct me if im wrong, but is the Conor Megoran listed as a Loughinisland player for the Down U-17 trials not the Conor Megoran who has been starring for Drumaness underage teams for the past 5 or 6 years?

You don't miss a trick DownFanatic.

You's never fail to disappoint me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 09, 2009, 05:20:58 PM
It's near time for Down Fanatic to post up a div 3 preview. usually a good read. no pressure! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 09, 2009, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 09, 2009, 05:20:58 PM
It's near time for Down Fanatic to post up a div 3 preview. usually a good read. no pressure! ;D

Don't think it will be happening this year Minus. Theres no need. Theres only one team going up and thats Glenn. No need for previews and predictions  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: illdecide on April 09, 2009, 06:19:02 PM
Lads after all that sh1t the match has been called off due to a water logged pitch :'(
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 09, 2009, 11:24:31 PM
Team for Sunday


1       Brendan McVeigh
2       Ciaran McGovern
3       Aidan Carr
4       Luke Howard
5       Damian Rafferty
6       Conor Garvey
7       Declan Rooney
8       Peter Fitzpatrick
9       Stephen Kearney     
10      Brendan McArdle
11      John Boyle
12      Daniel Hughes
13      Brendan Coulter 
14      Ronan Murtagh
15      Paul McCumiskey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 10, 2009, 02:09:20 AM
anyone heard anything about the possibilty that the senior league won't start next friday as planned?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on April 10, 2009, 08:15:02 AM
Neevr heard anything bout senior leagues being put off, ne reasons????

Totally differnt subject -take from the main page if any of you are interested:

Hi there folks,

With the championship just around the corner, from now on in you will see various fantasy football competitions springing up, myself and a few other memebrs of our club have taken it upon ourselves to run a competition of our own as a fundraiser. Hopefully we will get alot of interest in it, weve kept the entry fee reasonably low, its a pretty straight forward competition, all the rules, scoring chart, and player lists ect can be found on our website, so why not have a nosey at it. I hope when you are deciding upon which of the competitions available to enter you will give us a thought, we may not have a flashy website with all the graphics, but in entering this competition, you will be supporting one of youre very own clubs. If you have any queries about the competition you can email me at clannnabanna@hotmail.co.uk

To view the competition just log on to clannnabanna.down.gaa.ie and click on the competitions link

Many thanks, i hope we can look forward to youre support.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on April 10, 2009, 11:10:14 AM
Depending on how the U21's do on wednesday in the ulster final, the first games of the league may be starred......

the leagues will begin next week as planned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 10, 2009, 11:53:08 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 09, 2009, 05:20:58 PM
It's near time for Down Fanatic to post up a div 3 preview. usually a good read. no pressure! ;D

Go on DF, you know you want to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on April 10, 2009, 03:48:03 PM
Division 3 to me looks weaker with the teams leaving Division 2 (Dundrum & Tullylish) weaker than the promoted teams (Glassdrumman and Carryduff),therefore other established Div 3 teams have a greater chance of promotion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 10, 2009, 10:58:20 PM
Best of luck to St Malachys Castlewellan in tomorrows all ireland final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 11, 2009, 11:36:37 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 10, 2009, 11:53:08 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 09, 2009, 05:20:58 PM
It's near time for Down Fanatic to post up a div 3 preview. usually a good read. no pressure! ;D

Go on DF, you know you want to.

No chance. Wouldnt know where to start with Division 3 this year. Its a complete lottery with 6 or 7 teams all capable of topping the pile come the season's end.

P.S. Regarding the league starting next Friday. If Down U-21's win on Wednesday then the Friday games will obviously have to be a starred series. Taking this in to account, will we then see the county board shifting a starred set of fixtures to next Friday and then putting the original non starred set of fixtures on later in the season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on April 11, 2009, 10:40:58 PM
Peter Turley (rgu) is to start at full back 2moro, jackie lynch out with a broken wrist
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 11, 2009, 11:45:28 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 11, 2009, 11:36:37 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 10, 2009, 11:53:08 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 09, 2009, 05:20:58 PM
It's near time for Down Fanatic to post up a div 3 preview. usually a good read. no pressure! ;D

Go on DF, you know you want to.

No chance. Wouldnt know where to start with Division 3 this year. Its a complete lottery with 6 or 7 teams all capable of topping the pile come the season's end.

P.S. Regarding the league starting next Friday. If Down U-21's win on Wednesday then the Friday games will obviously have to be a starred series. Taking this in to account, will we then see the county board shifting a starred set of fixtures to next Friday and then putting the original non starred set of fixtures on later in the season?

DF

just looking at you post again, do you think they would do that at such short notice?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on April 12, 2009, 01:25:35 AM
Quote from: RGU08 on April 11, 2009, 10:40:58 PM
Peter Turley (rgu) is to start at full back 2moro, jackie lynch out with a broken wrist
He is the ideal choice for the position after his displays last year but would have worries about his readiness for a game given his length of time away from training and games over the last few months. No one one with more balls than him on the panel!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 12, 2009, 12:56:46 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 11, 2009, 11:45:28 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 11, 2009, 11:36:37 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 10, 2009, 11:53:08 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 09, 2009, 05:20:58 PM
It's near time for Down Fanatic to post up a div 3 preview. usually a good read. no pressure! ;D

Go on DF, you know you want to.

No chance. Wouldnt know where to start with Division 3 this year. Its a complete lottery with 6 or 7 teams all capable of topping the pile come the season's end.

P.S. Regarding the league starting next Friday. If Down U-21's win on Wednesday then the Friday games will obviously have to be a starred series. Taking this in to account, will we then see the county board shifting a starred set of fixtures to next Friday and then putting the original non starred set of fixtures on later in the season?

DF

just looking at you post again, do you think they would do that at such short notice?

Square Ball, I wouldnt be surprised if this is the way things pan out if Down get the victory on Wednesday. Id say the county board will make the decision late on Wednesday night and all clubs will be informed on Thursday morning.

Its just a hunch but certain things, especially fixtures, are never set in stone with the county board in exceptional circumstances like this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 12, 2009, 07:46:08 PM
Congratulations to Ross and the boys on winning division 3- mission accomplished - and dodgy umpire is half-way to payola
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on April 12, 2009, 08:21:07 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 12, 2009, 07:46:08 PM
Congratulations to Ross and the boys on winning division 3- mission accomplished - and dodgy umpire is half-way to payola

with div 3 behind us the ulster championship will be a cake walk!

(i put 10 pound on down to win div 3 and ulster championship with combined odds of 5/2 and 25/1)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 12, 2009, 08:23:22 PM
Roscommon 0-15 Down 0-17

Just in from Roscommon. a good few supporters made the trip, probably more down supporters than roscommon.

A win is a win but thats about as positive as it gets. although promotion was obtained the performance still leaves alot to be desired especially considering the fact that todays opposition we poor. i dont like to criticise anyone who is obviously doing their best, but i think i can safely say that full back would not be aidan carr's best position. started very poorly and my only surprise was that ross didnt make changes earlier (he moved conor garvey to full back).

the team needs to cut out the silly mistakes before championship time. wrong options taken on several occasions and forwards were guilty of a few very bad misses. benny coulter missed with a fisted effort when a goal looked the more likely option and paul mccomiskey missed a free which he would score 99 times out of 100.

down always look dangerous when they play the early ball but it is only tried on the odd occasion. as always very slow to move the ball out of defence. there are usually about 6 players within 14 yards of the man holding the ball which usually results in alot of needless passing sideways.

roscommon looked like a poor outfit however had they been able to take some very easy chances which fell their way they could very well have won the game. they were also able to continually run through the middle of the down defence without a hit going in.

second half a bit better but the problem still remains regarding the size of the gap between the full forward line and the rest of the team, usually around 60 yards. when down turn over possession they need to break much quicker so as to make use of the forward threat.

on a positive note the long range point kicking was excellent. 0-17 is a good return. carr hughes and mccomiskey all fired over points from long range and stevie kearney took the score of the day with an effort from 50yards on the run.

glad to see another win but as i said the opposition was very poor.

referee didnt do alot to help either side, gave strange decisions both ways. roscommon had a man sent off following an off the ball incident.

p.s. hyde park is a big stadium but the facilities were terrible. the toilets were similar to what you would see in a third world country. newry is an absolute palace compared to that place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on April 12, 2009, 08:30:25 PM
The aim at the start of the campaign was promotion, so now that has been achieved maybe the whingers can now get back behind the team as we prepare for the championship.
Well done boys!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 12, 2009, 08:37:40 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on April 12, 2009, 08:30:25 PM
The aim at the start of the campaign was promotion, so now that has been achieved maybe the whingers can now get back behind the team as we prepare for the championship.
Well done boys!!

Not sure if the whingers comment was aimed at me, if it was i dont mean to come accross as whinging - i was simply trying to provide an honest bit of analysis about the game.

you are right, the objective has been achieved and the lads should be congratulated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on April 12, 2009, 09:27:24 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on April 12, 2009, 08:37:40 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on April 12, 2009, 08:30:25 PM
The aim at the start of the campaign was promotion, so now that has been achieved maybe the whingers can now get back behind the team as we prepare for the championship.
Well done boys!!

Not sure if the whingers comment was aimed at me, if it was i dont mean to come accross as whinging - i was simply trying to provide an honest bit of analysis about the game.

you are right, the objective has been achieved and the lads should be congratulated.
No defiinitely not aimed at you on the basis of your analysis. Just that over the course of the campaign there have been guys calling for Ross's head and the main reason for their wanting his head was because he had omitted "such and such" from their club.
I think we are definitely moving in the right direction and now look forward to May with a bit more confidence
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 12, 2009, 11:50:45 PM
Behind the Wire has provided the most incisive and accurate piece of analysis of the faults in this Down team. Faults which management have consistently failed to recognise and address. Against any kind of decent opposition we will be cruelly exposed. There is potential in this Down squad, but i still have no confidence in the present management to bring it to any kind of fruition. The place to resolve problems is on the training ground, not shouting impotently on the side-line, but i see no evidence of work to address the problems which Behind the Wire and many others have enumerated. If we are to have any kind of run in the championship, then it is time for all genuine supporters to stop hoping and start whinging
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 13, 2009, 08:47:57 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 12, 2009, 07:46:08 PM
Congratulations to Ross and the boys on winning division 3- mission accomplished - and dodgy umpire is half-way to payola

Is there not a Div 3 final to be played against Tipp?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 13, 2009, 11:26:20 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 13, 2009, 08:47:57 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 12, 2009, 07:46:08 PM
Congratulations to Ross and the boys on winning division 3- mission accomplished - and dodgy umpire is half-way to payola

Is there not a Div 3 final to be played against Tipp?

Yes there is. Promotion for Down and Tipp but a final to be played to decide winner and runner up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Onlooker on April 13, 2009, 12:56:36 PM
After the Tipperary/Down game in Thurles, I posted that Down were my fancy for promotion, but I never dreamed that Tipp would go uo with them.  It has been a great league campaign for Tipp, even if a very much under strength team lost to Longford yesterday.  Promotion is the real prize for all teams in the Divs. 2, 3, & 4, but it is nice to have a final to look forward to without too much pressure.  It will be a great prep. game for the Championship.  Our target in Tipp was to avoid going back to Div 4.  We felt it would be hard, but thankfully things have improved greatly.  For the Championship wins over Limerick and Clare would give us a place in the Munster Final.   Maybe the year is going to get better.  Any idea where the Tipp/Down game will be played.  Could it be part of a double bill with Keery/Derry or Cork/Monaghan.  Hard enough to see it fitting in with a Sligo/Antrim game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on April 13, 2009, 02:23:55 PM
Down were poor in the first half yesterday and only for some very wayward shooting by Roscommon they could have been in big trouble by half time. Instead Down found themselves only a point at adrift at the break with points from McComiskey (2 1f), Coulter, a fisted point from the corner back Ciaran McGovern an Aidan Carr free and a point from Daniel Hughes. Down were allowing the Roscommon attack to walk through the middle of the field and Aidan Carr was very poor at full back. Carr looked a lot more comfortable when he was switched with Garvey after about 25 minutes. The Roscommon full forward who had scored 4 points in the first half was a lot quieter when he was marked by Garvey.
Down started the second half a lot better and opened up a 3 point lead with points from Carr (45), Coulter, Fegan, and a good score from John Boyle who had a very anonymous first half, but Down simply couldn't put this Roscommon team away and at times they took the wrong option, going for goal time and again, when a point was the easier and more obvious choice. Down finished the game with points from Hughes, McComiskey, Kearney who showed the forwards how to shoot from distance, another McComiskey free, points from Carr and Hughes and the final Down score of the game from Declan Rooney.
Down clung on at the end, though some credit must go to the defence for limiting Roscommon to long range shots against the wind in the second half. McGovern and Howard had decent games and Garvey did well when he was moved to full back. McVeigh didn't really have a save to make all afternoon, though his distribution was patchy. The Down half back line doesn't seem to have a clearly defined role to play and at times it is hard to know who is actally playing there. Both wing half forwards are being used as attacking half backs and indeed the centre half forward seems to have no specific role to play either, this wouldn't be so bad if we were playing good quality early ball in to the full forward line, but we seem to insist on taking too many hand passes and are far too slow at turning defence into attack. Coulter is wasted in the full forward line if he is not getting the right supply of ball. Murtagh was poor again yesterday, he seems to try to complicate everything he does, whereas if he kept it simple he would be a much better player. If I was picking the team for the championship, he would not be on it.
At the end of the day we have achieved promotion and that is what we set out to do, but that was a piss poor division and we will find the going a lot harder next year. On the plus side we achieved promotion without Dan Gordon and Ambrose for most of the league and we had a fair few other injuries which certainly hampered the league campaign, but I cant help thinking that there are better players sitting in the stand or staying at home for one reason or another.
We have a pretty meaningless game to come against Tipperary on Saturday 25th April and then Fermanagh in the championship. I still think that Down struggle against negative teams like Fermanagh, we simply cannot break their defence down, though Fermanagh have had a poor league and should be there for the taking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on April 13, 2009, 04:43:50 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on April 12, 2009, 08:23:22 PM
Roscommon 0-15 Down 0-17

Just in from Roscommon. a good few supporters made the trip, probably more down supporters than roscommon.

A win is a win but thats about as positive as it gets. although promotion was obtained the performance still leaves alot to be desired especially considering the fact that todays opposition we poor. i dont like to criticise anyone who is obviously doing their best, but i think i can safely say that full back would not be aidan carr's best position. started very poorly and my only surprise was that ross didnt make changes earlier (he moved conor garvey to full back).

the team needs to cut out the silly mistakes before championship time. wrong options taken on several occasions and forwards were guilty of a few very bad misses. benny coulter missed with a fisted effort when a goal looked the more likely option and paul mccomiskey missed a free which he would score 99 times out of 100.

down always look dangerous when they play the early ball but it is only tried on the odd occasion. as always very slow to move the ball out of defence. there are usually about 6 players within 14 yards of the man holding the ball which usually results in alot of needless passing sideways.

roscommon looked like a poor outfit however had they been able to take some very easy chances which fell their way they could very well have won the game. they were also able to continually run through the middle of the down defence without a hit going in.

second half a bit better but the problem still remains regarding the size of the gap between the full forward line and the rest of the team, usually around 60 yards. when down turn over possession they need to break much quicker so as to make use of the forward threat.

on a positive note the long range point kicking was excellent. 0-17 is a good return. carr hughes and mccomiskey all fired over points from long range and stevie kearney took the score of the day with an effort from 50yards on the run.

glad to see another win but as i said the opposition was very poor.

referee didnt do alot to help either side, gave strange decisions both ways. roscommon had a man sent off following an off the ball incident.

p.s. hyde park is a big stadium but the facilities were terrible. the toilets were similar to what you would see in a third world country. newry is an absolute palace compared to that place.
[/b]

totally agree,  the place needs a massive facelift.  toilets were a disgrace for any ground never mind the county one!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 13, 2009, 11:08:58 PM
Getting promoted was absolutely essential, and, even though it was a below-average division and our form was mixed, we managed it with three points to spare - effectively four with scoring difference counted, so it was a decent outcome.

Our performances were only marginally better than last year, but the big improvement, at least according to the stastistics, was at the back. In 2008, we conceded a ludicrous 10-73 in the seven games. This time, it was only 5-72. We are still shipping too many goals, and we don't have a settled defence or an established full back, but we have to bank any progress.

Garvey apparently did a reasonable job when he was switched to no 3 in Roscommon,and Turley is supposed to be available again, so at least we have a couple of possible options.

The Fermanagh championship game is still at best a 50-50 call, which will probably come down to the match fitness of Ambrose and Dan, but we are not without hope.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on April 14, 2009, 01:39:09 PM
Allianz GAA Football National League Roinn 3 Final
Sat 25th April
Final: Down V Tipperary
venue:Pearse Park, Longford, time:6 30 pm, (Ref:TBC) TG4 (Live)
In the event of a draw at the end of normal time, extra time will be played

Edited to add, this is a "double header" with Antrim v Sligo at 4.30pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 15, 2009, 01:17:32 PM
Word filtering through on the grapevine is that the hurling squad had a session with a sports psychologist the night before they played Carlow and a lot of negativity was directed at the manager.

For the life of me I cannot understand the 'benefit' these individuals bring to a team plus I think it's the easy option to berate the manager when a lot of the players just aren't up to the task. It isn't the manager who goes out the next day and doesn't mark his man or doesn't bother his hole to turn up to some of the training sessions.

now jingo has his faults but it's more to do with some of this 'support' staff and his strange expenses but some of his coaching staff are second to none in the north and highly rated by some of the better and dedicated hurlers on the team plus no one else wants the job, well anyone in their right mind that is.

some of the players need to get thier heads out of their holes in terms of their own abilities.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 15, 2009, 05:06:49 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 15, 2009, 01:17:32 PM
Word filtering through on the grapevine is that the hurling squad had a session with a sports psychologist the night before they played Carlow and a lot of negativity was directed at the manager.

For the life of me I cannot understand the 'benefit' these individuals bring to a team plus I think it's the easy option to berate the manager when a lot of the players just aren't up to the task. It isn't the manager who goes out the next day and doesn't mark his man or doesn't bother his hole to turn up to some of the training sessions.

now jingo has his faults but it's more to do with some of this 'support' staff and his strange expenses but some of his coaching staff are second to none in the north and highly rated by some of the better and dedicated hurlers on the team plus no one else wants the job, well anyone in their right mind that is.

some of the players need to get thier heads out of their holes in terms of their own abilities.

If used properly over the course of a season they can be very beneficial to teams in terms of goal setting, enhancing confidence and counteracting anxiety amongst other areas. The difference between athletes at the top level of sport where physiologically they are very similarly matched is often who has the stronger mental ability. However, as a one off session or a magical solution it can have a negative effect.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Forgot me Boots on April 15, 2009, 06:43:05 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 15, 2009, 10:30:05 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 15, 2009, 09:13:01 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 12, 2009, 07:46:08 PM
Congratulations to Ross and the boys on winning division 3- mission accomplished - and dodgy umpire is half-way to payola[/b]

  What does the term payola mean?

It is a Spanish fish type soup ;D

what is the craic with the word Payola? are you waiting on the Ulster for a double DD, do they have to beat Tipp first or do the bookies pay out as they finished top of the table? are you and Dodgy Umpire halfers on the bet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downman on April 15, 2009, 06:56:42 PM
does anyone know if the under 21 final will be on 5 fm?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Forgot me Boots on April 15, 2009, 07:07:16 PM
Quote from: downman on April 15, 2009, 06:56:42 PM
does anyone know if the under 21 final will be on 5 fm?

Its not on their schd Downman

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 15, 2009, 07:15:55 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 15, 2009, 05:06:49 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 15, 2009, 01:17:32 PM
Word filtering through on the grapevine is that the hurling squad had a session with a sports psychologist the night before they played Carlow and a lot of negativity was directed at the manager.

For the life of me I cannot understand the 'benefit' these individuals bring to a team plus I think it's the easy option to berate the manager when a lot of the players just aren't up to the task. It isn't the manager who goes out the next day and doesn't mark his man or doesn't bother his hole to turn up to some of the training sessions.

now jingo has his faults but it's more to do with some of this 'support' staff and his strange expenses but some of his coaching staff are second to none in the north and highly rated by some of the better and dedicated hurlers on the team plus no one else wants the job, well anyone in their right mind that is.

some of the players need to get thier heads out of their holes in terms of their own abilities.

If used properly over the course of a season they can be very beneficial to teams in terms of goal setting, enhancing confidence and counteracting anxiety amongst other areas. The difference between athletes at the top level of sport where physiologically they are very similarly matched is often who has the stronger mental ability. However, as a one off session or a magical solution it can have a negative effect.

Spoken like a true sports scientist  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 15, 2009, 07:27:10 PM
Down SFL Division 1

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Warrenpoint  Mayobridge  Warrenpoint 16/04/2009 19:00 Jim Burns Round 1 
Clonduff  Castlewellan  Clonduff 17/04/2009 19:00 Brendan Rice Round 1 
Saval  Loughinisland  Saval 17/04/2009 19:00 Ned Morgan Round 1 
Longstone  Liatriom  Longstone 17/04/2009 19:00 Con Reynolds Round 1 
Burren  Bryansford  Burren 17/04/2009 19:00 Declan Moore Round 1 
Rostrevor  Kilcoo  Rostrevor 17/04/2009 19:00 Neill Cousins Round 1 
Castlewellan  Saval  Castlewellan 20/04/2009 19:00 Eamon Mc Elroy Round 2 
Loughinisland  Clonduff  Loughinisland 20/04/2009 19:00 Martin Rawlinson Round 2 
Liatriom  Burren  Liatriom 20/04/2009 19:00 Gavin Corrigan Round 2 
Bryansford  Longstone  Bryansford 20/04/2009 19:00 Gabriel Tummelty Round 2 
Kilcoo  Mayobridge  Kilcoo 20/04/2009 19:00 Damien Laverty Round 2 
Warrenpoint  Rostrevor  Warrenpoint 20/04/2009 19:00 Seamus O Hanlon Round 2 


Down SFL Division 2

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Darragh Cross  Clann na Banna  Darragh Cross 17/04/2009 19:00 Alan Grant Round 1 
Shamrocks  Kilclief  Shamrocks 17/04/2009 19:00 Leo Smith Round 1 
Downpatrick  Annaclone  Downpatrick 17/04/2009 19:00 Eamon Mc Elroy Round 1 
Atticall  Ballymartin  Atticall 17/04/2009 19:00 Peter Brannigan Round 1 
Carryduff  An Riocht  Carryduff 17/04/2009 19:00 Mark Lynch Round 1 
Ballyholland  Glasdrumman  Ballyholland 17/04/2009 19:00 Barry Andrews Round 1 
Clann na Banna  Shamrocks  Clann na Banna 20/04/2009 19:00 Hugh Pat McCusker Round 2 
Kilclief  Darragh Cross  Kilclief 20/04/2009 19:00 Mickey Curran Round 2 
Annaclone  Atticall  Annaclone 20/04/2009 19:00 Liam Morgan Round 2 
Ballymartin  Downpatrick  Ballymartin 20/04/2009 19:00 Sean Flynn Round 2 
An Riocht  Ballyholland  An Riocht 20/04/2009 19:00 Eugene O Hare Round 2 
Glasdrumman  Carryduff  Glasdrumman 20/04/2009 19:00 Michael Devlin Round 2 


Down SFL Division 3

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Dundrum  Tullylish  Dundrum 17/04/2009 19:00 Paul Brownlee Round 1 
Ardglass  Bredagh  Ardglass 17/04/2009 19:00 Ciaran Brannigan Round 1 
Drumaness  Saul  Drumaness 17/04/2009 19:00 Shane Lowey Round 1 
St Pauls  Aghaderg  St Pauls 17/04/2009 19:00 Eamon Mulvenna Round 1 
Glenn  Teconnaught  Glenn 17/04/2009 19:00 Colm Broderick Round 1 
St Johns  Drumgath  St Johns 17/04/2009 19:00 John Killen Round 1 
Tullylish  Ardglass  Tullylish 20/04/2009 19:00 David Carr Round 2 
Bredagh  Dundrum  Bredagh 20/04/2009 19:00 Paul Gelston Round 2 
Saul  St Pauls  Saul 20/04/2009 19:00 P D Doyle Round 2 
Aghaderg  Drumaness  Aghaderg 20/04/2009 19:00 PJ Cunningham Round 2 
Teconnaught  St Johns  Teconnaught 20/04/2009 19:00 Oliver Burke Round 2 
Drumgath  Glenn  Drumgath 20/04/2009 19:00 Pat McDade Round 2 


Down SFL Division 4

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
St Michaels  Aughlisnafin  St Michaels 17/04/2009 19:00 Michael Cranney Round 1 
Ballykinlar  Bright  Ballykinlar 17/04/2009 19:00 Gerard Brannigan St Johns Round 1 
Dromara  Mitchels  Dromara 17/04/2009 19:00 John Mc Mullan Round 1 
Mitchels  St John Bosco  Mitchels 20/04/2009 19:00 Declan Ryan Round 2 
Bright  Dromara  Bright 20/04/2009 19:00 Peter O Reilly Round 2 
Aughlisnafin  Ballykinlar  Aughlisnafin 20/04/2009 19:00 Ned Morgan Round 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downman on April 15, 2009, 07:33:35 PM
cheers forget me. il just sit patiently and wait for the result. has the makings of a cracking game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 15, 2009, 07:38:07 PM
Quote from: downman on April 15, 2009, 07:33:35 PM
cheers forget me. il just sit patiently and wait for the result. has the makings of a cracking game

DownMan

someone has posted on another thread that they are showing it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on April 15, 2009, 08:46:09 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballela 1.17 Warrenpoint 1.9

Any other scores?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 15, 2009, 08:54:31 PM
I hear Armagh have the wind in the second half - not looking good , but Mc Comiskey can turn a game if he's close to goal.
For those interested, payola is indeed pay-out, which could be used to buy a Spanish fish-dish , Dodgy Umpire is on his own in enjoying the food (probably in the Michael Collins)and it will be interesting to see the Bookie's interpretation of 'winning' division 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Forgot me Boots on April 15, 2009, 09:17:27 PM
No problem DD, I was just wondering as you mention in your post that Dodgy was half way to Payola that you and he were halfers, or you are him in disguise?   ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 15, 2009, 09:23:08 PM
 Down won by a point with a goal in the last minute
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 15, 2009, 09:27:52 PM
This win means that all U-21's wont be able to play in Friday night's League openers id say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on April 15, 2009, 10:02:23 PM
ACHL DIV2


BALLYVARLEY 3-11 CASTLEWELLAN 2-7


EITHER CASTLEWELLAN OR CLONDUFF TO WIN THE LEAGUE??? :D

I'LL NOT BE HOLDING MY BREATH!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on April 15, 2009, 10:21:39 PM
Quote from: Forgot me Boots on April 15, 2009, 09:17:27 PM
No problem DD, I was just wondering as you mention in your post that Dodgy was half way to Payola that you and he were halfers, or you are him in disguise?   ;) ;)

nah, i would be the better footballer   ;)

Quote from: Forgot me Boots on April 15, 2009, 06:43:05 PM

what is the craic with the word Payola? are you waiting on the Ulster for a double DD, do they have to beat Tipp first or do the bookies pay out as they finished top of the table? are you and Dodgy Umpire halfers on the bet?

yes big dan needs to lead us to the anglo celt before i get a penny
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 15, 2009, 10:24:26 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on April 15, 2009, 10:21:39 PM
Quote from: Forgot me Boots on April 15, 2009, 09:17:27 PM
No problem DD, I was just wondering as you mention in your post that Dodgy was half way to Payola that you and he were halfers, or you are him in disguise?   ;) ;)

nah, i would be the better footballer   ;)

Quote from: Forgot me Boots on April 15, 2009, 06:43:05 PM

what is the craic with the word Payola? are you waiting on the Ulster for a double DD, do they have to beat Tipp first or do the bookies pay out as they finished top of the table? are you and Dodgy Umpire halfers on the bet?

yes big dan needs to lead us to the anglo celt before i get a penny


Where did you do the bet?? They might sting you on the related contingency rule...  :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 15, 2009, 10:27:27 PM

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Where did you do the bet?? They might sting you on the related contingency rule...  :(
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on April 15, 2009, 10:29:36 PM
Well Done to the U21's 2nite, some end to the game!  Poland was outstanding throughout!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 15, 2009, 10:34:43 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 15, 2009, 10:27:27 PM


Where did you do the bet?? They might sting you on the related contingency rule...  :(
[/quote]


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The outcome of one event that would make the outcome of a future event (done together in a bet) more likely...

Therefore Down topping the league would make them more likely to win the Ulster...

So instead of getting a double on the leage price and the championship price, bookies would offer you a special double price...

This is why you cant do doubles/trebles on United to win the League/Cup/Champs League, you need to get a special accumulated price (smaller than the double/treble would pay)

Think this was first shown after Brian Lara first came to England and watever team he joined won all round them and people were expecting to get paid out on the accums for the team to win all the comps but they only got paid out on a special odds... Or like Ronaldo top scorer in the world cup and brazil to win in 2002, think many bookies had to get cases settled as people had mistakenly done this bet as a double instead of a special double price...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 15, 2009, 11:10:52 PM
Not sure if the question has been asked before but was just wondering does anyone know the reason why the U21's play in the yellow jersey?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 15, 2009, 11:30:42 PM
Tonight was one of those nights which make you proud to be a Down man. We looked a beaten side at half-time, with Armagh hitting  two goals and having a strong wind behind them in the second half. However, we got off to a good start, with two excellent points from play, and really began to take control.

Our defence was sound under the dropping ball, and the pace of our half backs was probably decisive. Magee was strong at midfield but Fitzpatrick was absolutely outstanding. A couple of his points from the right wing, into the gale, broke Armagh hearts, although we have already seen him do something similar for Down seniors. There was a touch of Ambrose senior about him, and I cannot put it more highly than that.

The forwards coped with a limited supply, with Maginn running himself into the ground and McComiskey, while tightly marked, always a threat. Our goal  was a piece of poetry, with a quick break followed by a long ball to either O'Reilly or Devlin and a neat pass to the onrunning Poland before the net bulged.

The ref signalled two extra minutes and stuck to them exactly, which surprised me. It's a bit tough to be facing an AI semi within three days,  but there is great momentum behind this squad and they will not be lacking in self belief.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 15, 2009, 11:33:46 PM
Is the semi on Saturday or Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 15, 2009, 11:35:10 PM
Saturday in Longford of all places.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 15, 2009, 11:41:41 PM
Hurling results

Div 1
Portaferry    0-6   3-12   Ballycran      
Liatriom    5-15   1-7   Newry      
Ballela    1-17   1-9   Point   
Ballygalget v Bredagh (Sunday)

Div 2
Warrenpoint v Clonduff OFF
Carryduff 1-4 5-4 Ballygalget
Ballyvarley    3-11   2-10   Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 15, 2009, 11:58:44 PM
Just a quick mention for Pete McGrath. Not counting his involvement with St Colman's, he has now managed Down teams to  six Ulster titles - two each at minor, u21 and senior. He has three AIs to his name and he is not finished yet. Pete made the right calls again tonight, and his tactics against the wind were spot on. Congratulations to him,and to Liam Murphy and Mickey Linden as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 16, 2009, 01:03:09 AM
Will there be much of ye travelling to Longford on Saturday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 16, 2009, 08:39:14 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 15, 2009, 07:15:55 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 15, 2009, 05:06:49 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 15, 2009, 01:17:32 PM
Word filtering through on the grapevine is that the hurling squad had a session with a sports psychologist the night before they played Carlow and a lot of negativity was directed at the manager.

For the life of me I cannot understand the 'benefit' these individuals bring to a team plus I think it's the easy option to berate the manager when a lot of the players just aren't up to the task. It isn't the manager who goes out the next day and doesn't mark his man or doesn't bother his hole to turn up to some of the training sessions.

now jingo has his faults but it's more to do with some of this 'support' staff and his strange expenses but some of his coaching staff are second to none in the north and highly rated by some of the better and dedicated hurlers on the team plus no one else wants the job, well anyone in their right mind that is.

some of the players need to get thier heads out of their holes in terms of their own abilities.

If used properly over the course of a season they can be very beneficial to teams in terms of goal setting, enhancing confidence and counteracting anxiety amongst other areas. The difference between athletes at the top level of sport where physiologically they are very similarly matched is often who has the stronger mental ability. However, as a one off session or a magical solution it can have a negative effect.

Spoken like a true sports scientist  ;D

I didn't like to say  ;)

On the subject of 'strong mental ability' or balls in gentlemens speak then they wouldn't need a conduit to vent their spleen at Jingo, they'd be man enough to say it to the lads face as surely honesty of thought and effort has to be the central core to any team.

We'll see on sunday when they have to beat Kerry to stay in Div2 how the team ethic is going..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 16, 2009, 09:17:54 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 15, 2009, 11:58:44 PM
Just a quick mention for Pete McGrath. Not counting his involvement with St Colman's, he has now managed Down teams to  six Ulster titles - two each at minor, u21 and senior. He has three AIs to his name and he is not finished yet. Pete made the right calls again tonight, and his tactics against the wind were spot on. Congratulations to him,and to Liam Murphy and Mickey Linden as well.

not forgetting Paddy Hardy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 16, 2009, 10:41:40 AM
have got to hand it to pete, tactics were excellent in the second half last night. excellent performance.

as usual very shakey at the back although the lads defended for their lives in the second half. given the conditions the handling and long range point taking was excellent. this down side gave an exibition of what can be achieved when the ball is moved quickly out of denfence. no sideways passing at half back.

i thought conor maginn went through a mountain of work for the whole game and magee, while probably not a midfielder, proved to be much more effective when moved further up field in the second half. Peter Fitzpatrick was immense at midfield and in my opinion joe murphy epitomised what down football should be all about. he never quit from start to finish, battled continually and got up to support the attack when possible, even though he was marking jamie clarke who is probably armaghs best forward. he even got up to make a great catch in midfield at one stage and played an integral role in working the ball out of the defence for the down goal.

the whole team showed great fighting spirit and hopefully we will see more of the same against mayo on saturday.

p.s. great crowd last night, stand was full 15 minutes before the match. national anthem was a disgrace, reminded me of an ice cream van music.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 16, 2009, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 15, 2009, 11:58:44 PM
Just a quick mention for Pete McGrath. Not counting his involvement with St Colman's, he has now managed Down teams to  six Ulster titles - two each at minor, u21 and senior. He has three AIs to his name and he is not finished yet. Pete made the right calls again tonight, and his tactics against the wind were spot on. Congratulations to him,and to Liam Murphy and Mickey Linden as well.

Agreed, Pete is an absolute gent and has done tremendous work... Would be great to see his record broken down, including forrays into club football and the College...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 16, 2009, 10:53:36 AM
Quote from: behind the wire on April 16, 2009, 10:41:40 AM
have got to hand it to pete, tactics were excellent in the second half last night. excellent performance.

as usual very shakey at the back although the lads defended for their lives in the second half. given the conditions the handling and long range point taking was excellent. this down side gave an exibition of what can be achieved when the ball is moved quickly out of denfence. no sideways passing at half back.

i thought conor maginn went through a mountain of work for the whole game and magee, while probably not a midfielder, proved to be much more effective when moved further up field in the second half. Peter Fitzpatrick was immense at midfield and in my opinion joe murphy epitomised what down football should be all about. he never quit from start to finish, battled continually and got up to support the attack when possible, even though he was marking jamie clarke who is probably armaghs best forward. he even got up to make a great catch in midfield at one stage and played an integral role in working the ball out of the defence for the down goal.

the whole team showed great fighting spirit and hopefully we will see more of the same against mayo on saturday.

p.s. great crowd last night, stand was full 15 minutes before the match. national anthem was a disgrace, reminded me of an ice cream van music.



How do ya think we will cope against Aiden O'Se given that some senior defences havent been able to the last few rounds in the league...  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on April 16, 2009, 10:55:58 AM
Will the league games go ahead on Friday night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 16, 2009, 10:59:41 AM
Nail, going on last nights performance i dont think we will. im a big fan of petes but was surprised by his choice of defenders for this years panel. we have a couple of players in the club that would fit in well to that full back line. hopefully get past mayo on saturday anyway then who knows.

was proud to be a down man last night anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 16, 2009, 11:18:44 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on April 16, 2009, 10:55:58 AM
Will the league games go ahead on Friday night?
Yes, but starred for U21 players AFAIK.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on April 16, 2009, 11:54:28 AM
Quote from: behind the wire on April 16, 2009, 10:41:40 AM
. national anthem was a disgrace, reminded me of an ice cream van music.



it sounded like a ring tone i used to have on an old nokia 

Quote from: mournerambler on April 15, 2009, 11:10:52 PM
Not sure if the question has been asked before but was just wondering does anyone know the reason why the U21's play in the yellow jersey?

the red and orange of the respective teams might have been difficult to distinguish between under lights?





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on April 16, 2009, 12:49:29 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on April 16, 2009, 11:54:28 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on April 15, 2009, 11:10:52 PM
Not sure if the question has been asked before but was just wondering does anyone know the reason why the U21's play in the yellow jersey?

the red and orange of the respective teams might have been difficult to distinguish between under lights?

Down U21s have played in the yellow jersies in all three of their U21 games so far, maybe its a superstition like when the senior team used to play in long sleeved jersies, who knows but I wouldnt be changing them now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 16, 2009, 02:14:20 PM
Try and predict the correct score of the Bridge v point match tonight!!!! Correct score wins a goodie bag!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 16, 2009, 02:17:12 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 16, 2009, 02:14:20 PM
Try and predict the correct score of the Bridge v point match tonight!!!! Correct score wins a goodie bag!!!!! ;D

Warrenpoint 0-06  Mayobridge 2-14

Here, is Seamus Grant not still eligible for U-21s?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 16, 2009, 02:37:40 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 16, 2009, 02:17:12 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 16, 2009, 02:14:20 PM
Try and predict the correct score of the Bridge v point match tonight!!!! Correct score wins a goodie bag!!!!! ;D

Warrenpoint 0-06  Mayobridge 2-14

Here, is Seamus Grant not still eligible for U-21s?

Yeah he is, he was captain for the minors, he is on placement in Scotland and counld not fully commit... he is still playing for the bridge when he comes home every weekend, he would be some addittion to that team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 16, 2009, 02:42:02 PM
Warrenpoint 0-16 Mayobridge 3-11

whats in the goodie bag?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 16, 2009, 02:47:07 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 16, 2009, 02:37:40 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 16, 2009, 02:17:12 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 16, 2009, 02:14:20 PM
Try and predict the correct score of the Bridge v point match tonight!!!! Correct score wins a goodie bag!!!!! ;D

Warrenpoint 0-06  Mayobridge 2-14

Here, is Seamus Grant not still eligible for U-21s?

Yeah he is, he was captain for the minors, he is on placement in Scotland and counld not fully commit... he is still playing for the bridge when he comes home every weekend, he would be some addittion to that team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aye, he'd be some addition alright.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 16, 2009, 02:48:57 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 16, 2009, 02:42:02 PM
Warrenpoint 0-16 Mayobridge 3-11

whats in the goodie bag?

A signed copy of the ballad of Tom O'Hare ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 16, 2009, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 16, 2009, 02:42:02 PM
Warrenpoint 0-16 Mayobridge 3-11

whats in the goodie bag?
Jade's ashes ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 16, 2009, 02:58:39 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on April 16, 2009, 12:49:29 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on April 16, 2009, 11:54:28 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on April 15, 2009, 11:10:52 PM
Not sure if the question has been asked before but was just wondering does anyone know the reason why the U21's play in the yellow jersey?

the red and orange of the respective teams might have been difficult to distinguish between under lights?

Down U21s have played in the yellow jersies in all three of their U21 games so far, maybe its a superstition like when the senior team used to play in long sleeved jersies, who knows but I wouldnt be changing them now.

The yellow jersies are used because they are easier to identify under the lights. Good management call.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on April 16, 2009, 03:42:01 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 16, 2009, 02:14:20 PM
Try and predict the correct score of the Bridge v point match tonight!!!! Correct score wins a goodie bag!!!!! ;D

Point 0-08
Bridge 2-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on April 16, 2009, 04:03:46 PM
is there still no word on the hurling championship draws????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on April 16, 2009, 08:42:00 PM
Quote from: THE DADGA on April 16, 2009, 04:03:46 PM
is there still no word on the hurling championship draws????


No, I heard that cause every club is that bad at it they decided not to bother this year with it!!     ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on April 16, 2009, 10:08:27 PM
'point   0.08
'bridge  1.14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on April 16, 2009, 10:47:54 PM
Anyone know how the point game finished?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 16, 2009, 10:54:31 PM
Have a wee look at the previous post ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on April 16, 2009, 10:55:51 PM
I thought that was a prediction for the goody bag!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 16, 2009, 11:01:10 PM
Don't worry southdown, I'm prone to the odd blond moment myself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on April 16, 2009, 11:35:08 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on April 16, 2009, 08:42:00 PM
Quote from: THE DADGA on April 16, 2009, 04:03:46 PM
is there still no word on the hurling championship draws????


No, I heard that cause every club is that bad at it they decided not to bother this year with it!!     ;D


i would argue with ya....but your not tellin any lies!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on April 17, 2009, 07:50:49 AM
I think i should get the goodie bag. Look at my prediction i came closest to the correct scoreline
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 17, 2009, 11:39:05 AM
Warrenpoint 0-8 Mayobridge 1-14 (SFL)
17/04/2009

Mayobridge started their 2009 league campaign with a visit to Moygannon to face newly promoted Warrenpoint. The home team opened the scoring with a first minute point before John Quinn got the Bridge's first score of the league campaign, Ronan Sexton followed up with a point three minutes later. In the next ten minutes both sides displayed an element of rustiness making a lot of simple mistakes and giving the ball away before Warrenpoint scored to draw level. On twenty minutes Ronan Sexton got his second point and then a Noel Sexton free put the visitor's two points up. Warrenpoint hit back with a point of their own before Shane O'Hare responded with a magnificent point from near the side line. In the dying minutes of the half Mayobridge tagged on three points from Michael Walsh, John Quinn and Ryan Brady to leave the half time score Warrenpoint 0-4 Mayobridge 0-8.

Mayobridge started the second half in a lively fashion with a Noel Sexton point in the first minute and then a fabulous Ryan Brady goal hardly a minute later. To Warrenpoint's credit they didn't give up the fight and responded with a point almost immediately. Shane O'Hare kicked another excellent long range effort before Cathal Magee got his first point of the evening. Eight minutes into the second half and with Cathal Magee now on the scoresheet all six of Mayobridge's forwards had now scored. Noel Sexton then scored his third point of the game, which the Point cancelled out a couple of minutes later, Benny Coulter operating from mid field got his first point on seventeen minutes. Warrenpoint scored a fine 50 on twenty minutes before John Quinn finished the sky blues scoring in the 24th minute with a nice point. Warrenpoint managed another point near the end of the game to leave the final score Warrenpoint 0-8 Mayobridge 1-14.

Throughout the game the Mayobridge defence was fairly solid and never gave Warrenpoint much in the way of goal opportunities, Brendan Grant had a commanding game on the edge of the square and allowed goal keeper Liam Coulter a fairly quiet night. Eoghan Woods caught some excellent ball at mid field and covered a lot of ground putting in the hard hits and disrupting anything the Point tried to build through the middle. Michael Walsh put in an excellent performance and linked well with Benny Coulter coming from mid field and apart from missing some fairly decent goal chances the rest of our forwards took a high percentage of the scoring opportunities which came their way. All in all it was a solid performance from Mayobridge under new manager Paul Carroll, but the 'Bridge will need to find couple of extra gears for the challenge of Kilcoo on Monday night. Best wishes to Paul Carroll, his selectors Robbie Coulter, Kevin Coulter, Sean Rooney and statician Pat Joe Magee for the season ahead.

Mayobridge Team & Scorers
Laim Coulter
Gavin Barry
Brendan Grant
Seamus Grant
Shane O'Hare (0-2)
Conor Garvey
Micheal Lively
Benny Coulter (0-1)
Eoghan Woods
Noel Sexton (0-3)
Michael Walsh (0-1)
Ryan Brady (1-1)
Ronan Sexton (0-2)
Cathal Magee (0-1)
John Quinn (0-3)


Subs Used
John Caldwell for John Quinn
Caolan Lynchaoun for Seamus Grant

Video Highlightshttp://www.mayobridge.down.gaa.ie/2009footballhighlights.html (http://www.mayobridge.down.gaa.ie/2009footballhighlights.html)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 17, 2009, 12:51:19 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on April 16, 2009, 10:08:27 PM
'point   0.08
'bridge  1.14

Where did big Shea Curran lineout for the Point?


P.S From downgaa.net

'  Date : 16/04/2009 22:41 
As agreed at County Board on 7/4/09 ACFL Series 1 is now a STARRED game for the Under 21 panalists.'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 17, 2009, 02:02:12 PM
Shea lined out at md field for the point and had a right game.  He scored a point maybe two but had a couple of bad wides.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 17, 2009, 03:54:07 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 17, 2009, 11:39:05 AM
Warrenpoint 0-8 Mayobridge 1-14 (SFL)
17/04/2009

Mayobridge started their 2009 league campaign with a visit to Moygannon to face newly promoted Warrenpoint. The home team opened the scoring with a first minute point before John Quinn got the Bridge's first score of the league campaign, Ronan Sexton followed up with a point three minutes later. In the next ten minutes both sides displayed an element of rustiness making a lot of simple mistakes and giving the ball away before Warrenpoint scored to draw level. On twenty minutes Ronan Sexton got his second point and then a Noel Sexton free put the visitor's two points up. Warrenpoint hit back with a point of their own before Shane O'Hare responded with a magnificent point from near the side line. In the dying minutes of the half Mayobridge tagged on three points from Michael Walsh, John Quinn and Ryan Brady to leave the half time score Warrenpoint 0-4 Mayobridge 0-8.

Mayobridge started the second half in a lively fashion with a Noel Sexton point in the first minute and then a fabulous Ryan Brady goal hardly a minute later. To Warrenpoint's credit they didn't give up the fight and responded with a point almost immediately. Shane O'Hare kicked another excellent long range effort before Cathal Magee got his first point of the evening. Eight minutes into the second half and with Cathal Magee now on the scoresheet all six of Mayobridge's forwards had now scored. Noel Sexton then scored his third point of the game, which the Point cancelled out a couple of minutes later, Benny Coulter operating from mid field got his first point on seventeen minutes. Warrenpoint scored a fine 50 on twenty minutes before John Quinn finished the sky blues scoring in the 24th minute with a nice point. Warrenpoint managed another point near the end of the game to leave the final score Warrenpoint 0-8 Mayobridge 1-14.

Throughout the game the Mayobridge defence was fairly solid and never gave Warrenpoint much in the way of goal opportunities, Brendan Grant had a commanding game on the edge of the square and allowed goal keeper Liam Coulter a fairly quiet night. Eoghan Woods caught some excellent ball at mid field and covered a lot of ground putting in the hard hits and disrupting anything the Point tried to build through the middle. Michael Walsh put in an excellent performance and linked well with Benny Coulter coming from mid field and apart from missing some fairly decent goal chances the rest of our forwards took a high percentage of the scoring opportunities which came their way. All in all it was a solid performance from Mayobridge under new manager Paul Carroll, but the 'Bridge will need to find couple of extra gears for the challenge of Kilcoo on Monday night. Best wishes to Paul Carroll, his selectors Robbie Coulter, Kevin Coulter, Sean Rooney and statician Pat Joe Magee for the season ahead.

Mayobridge Team & Scorers
Laim Coulter
Gavin Barry
Brendan Grant
Seamus Grant
Shane O'Hare (0-2)
Conor Garvey
Micheal Lively
Benny Coulter (0-1)
Eoghan Woods
Noel Sexton (0-3)
Michael Walsh (0-1)
Ryan Brady (1-1)
Ronan Sexton (0-2)
Cathal Magee (0-1)
John Quinn (0-3)


Subs Used
John Caldwell for John Quinn
Caolan Lynchaoun for Seamus Grant

Video Highlightshttp://www.mayobridge.down.gaa.ie/2009footballhighlights.html (http://www.mayobridge.down.gaa.ie/2009footballhighlights.html)

sorry corporal-its only for the Correct score ;D ;D

Great report Mallon, Grant was very assured at full-back, i cant remember Liam Coulter making a save!!!!! Walsh is continuing to impress this year, he scored six or seven points against Kileavy at the weekend and put in a great hours work last night... our shooting needs to improve though, we could have scored a few more goals!!!!
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Post by: behind the wire on April 17, 2009, 05:20:15 PM
good man amallon, another great report and highlights. if only ever club was as well organised on the PR front.
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Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on April 17, 2009, 05:53:08 PM
I said months ago, I was confident of the U21s retaining their title. I was shot down right away. Im glad that im right occasionally, despite what the wife says! I beleive a few appologies could be in order! :P Most notably from T O'Hare, who said he didnt rate Conor Maginn?!?! :L This board is always good for a laugh!
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Post by: Bitta-Banter on April 17, 2009, 08:30:46 PM
Darragh Cross 0-7 Clann na Banna 0-7
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Post by: stpauls on April 17, 2009, 08:46:00 PM
St. Paul's 1-12  Aghaderg 0-10

good to get the season off to a winning start, and a clean sheet to boot!!

I also heard Bredagh were beaten by 2 points in Ardglass.
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Post by: Square Ball on April 17, 2009, 08:55:33 PM
Yip, beat by 2 St Pauls
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Post by: DownFanatic on April 17, 2009, 09:01:42 PM
Division 3

Dundrum 0-09  Tullylish 0-11

Glenn 1-12  Teconnaught 0-06

St Johns v Drumgath wasnt played.
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 17, 2009, 09:02:13 PM
Saval beat loughinisland by 4

Rostrevor 1-14 Kilcoo 0-12

Kingdom beat Carryduff by 2
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Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 17, 2009, 09:03:22 PM
St Michaels won by about eleven...
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Post by: DownFanatic on April 17, 2009, 09:09:01 PM
Div 4

Bright 2-10  Ballykinlar 0-06
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 17, 2009, 09:11:38 PM
Castlewellan beat clonduff by 2.
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Post by: gorm agus bui on April 17, 2009, 09:13:45 PM
Shamrocks bt Kilclief by 2
Heard Dowpatrick bt Annaclone by 15 or so
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Post by: amallon on April 17, 2009, 09:20:14 PM
Rostrevor 1-13 Kilcoo 0-12
Saval beat the Island by two points. 
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Post by: DownFanatic on April 17, 2009, 09:25:38 PM
Friday 17th April 2009

Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Clonduff  0-13 1-11 Castlewellan  Clonduff Round 1 
Saval  1-10 1-8 Loughinisland  Saval Round 1 
Longstone  1-7 0-9 Liatriom  Longstone Round 1 
Burren  1-8 0-10 Bryansford  Burren Round 1 
Rostrevor  1-13 0-12 Kilcoo  Rostrevor Round 1 

Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Darragh Cross  0-7 0-7 Clann na Banna  Darragh Cross Round 1 
Shamrocks  1-5 0-6 Kilclief  Shamrocks Round 1 
Downpatrick  2-13 1-3 Annaclone  Downpatrick Round 1 
Atticall  1-9 0-9 Ballymartin  Atticall Round 1 
Carryduff  0-7 0-9 An Riocht  Carryduff Round 1 
Ballyholland  2-14 2-7 Glasdrumman  Ballyholland Round 1 

Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Dundrum  0-9 0-11 Tullylish  Dundrum Round 1 
Ardglass  2-12 2-10 Bredagh  Ardglass Round 1 
Drumaness  2-9 2-10 Saul  Drumaness Round 1 
St Pauls  1-12 0-10 Aghaderg  St Pauls Round 1 
Glenn  1-13 0-7 Teconnaught  Glenn Round 1 

Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
St Michaels  1-19 2-5 Aughlisnafin  St Michaels Round 1 
Ballykinlar  0-5 2-10 Bright  Ballykinlar Round 1 
Dromara  1-4 4-6 Mitchels  Dromara Round 1
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Post by: stpauls on April 17, 2009, 09:50:25 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 17, 2009, 08:55:33 PM
Yip, beat by 2 St Pauls

looks like a pretty high scoring game SB, what sort of spirit was it played in? we all know the attitude the Ardglass boys have when they are playing at home.
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Post by: centre 3/4s on April 17, 2009, 10:14:58 PM
Rostrevor look very sharp good game tonight at least it means that there will maybe be a new team challenging this year. Any report from the frord and burren game thought it would have been close
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Post by: fred the red on April 17, 2009, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 17, 2009, 09:25:38 PM
Friday 17th April 2009


Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
St Michaels  1-19 2-5 Aughlisnafin  St Michaels Round 1 
Ballykinlar  0-5 2-10 Bright  Ballykinlar Round 1 
Dromara  1-4 4-6 Mitchels  Dromara Round 1



Not a bad start for the Fin, 1st game away to one of the heavyweights in the division!
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Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 17, 2009, 10:35:45 PM
Thats the spirit Fred.  Good Man yoursel
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Post by: stpauls on April 17, 2009, 11:05:06 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 17, 2009, 09:01:42 PM
Division 3

Dundrum 0-09  Tullylish 0-11

Glenn 1-12  Teconnaught 0-06

St Johns v Drumgath wasnt played.

DF, any idea why the St Johns v Drumgath wasn't played?
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Post by: gorm agus bui on April 17, 2009, 11:10:03 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 17, 2009, 11:05:06 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 17, 2009, 09:01:42 PM
Division 3

Dundrum 0-09  Tullylish 0-11

Glenn 1-12  Teconnaught 0-06

St Johns v Drumgath wasnt played.


DF, any idea why the St Johns v Drumgath wasn't played?
Would imagine it was due to that young girl from Drumgath who was killed in Rathfriland. May she rest in peace
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Post by: fitzroyalty on April 17, 2009, 11:10:14 PM
A wee girl knocked down & killed in Drumgath recently , God rest her. I think that is probably why.
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Post by: stpauls on April 17, 2009, 11:12:46 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on April 17, 2009, 11:10:03 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 17, 2009, 11:05:06 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 17, 2009, 09:01:42 PM
Division 3

Dundrum 0-09  Tullylish 0-11

Glenn 1-12  Teconnaught 0-06

St Johns v Drumgath wasnt played.


DF, any idea why the St Johns v Drumgath wasn't played?
Would imagine it was due to that young girl from Drumgath who was killed in Rathfriland. May she rest in peace

oh, i didn't realise she was from Drumgath, my bad!!
RIP, and my thoughts are with her family tonight!
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Post by: T O Hare on April 18, 2009, 04:08:48 AM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on April 17, 2009, 05:53:08 PM
I said months ago, I was confident of the U21s retaining their title. I was shot down right away. Im glad that im right occasionally, despite what the wife says! I beleive a few appologies could be in order! :P Most notably from T O'Hare, who said he didnt rate Conor Maginn?!?! :L This board is always good for a laugh!

Why would i apologise!!!! All i said was i didn't think he was our answer in SENIOR level this year and that he hasn't impressed me that much, i have no doubt that he is a great player but i cannot see hime starting in the championship but fsir dues to the lad if he does!!!
on another note, i watched Glenn and  Teconaught tonight, Mathew Bagnall must have scored 8 or 9 points for Glenn, he certainly knows were the posts are! Collie Murtagh also had a great game in midfield even with his long hair and beard ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Square Ball on April 18, 2009, 11:48:30 AM
Quote from: stpauls on April 17, 2009, 09:50:25 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 17, 2009, 08:55:33 PM
Yip, beat by 2 St Pauls

looks like a pretty high scoring game SB, what sort of spirit was it played in? we all know the attitude the Ardglass boys have when they are playing at home.

missed the game, long story ::), all the boys made it home in one piece and there was no mention of any aggro at all. I must admit that in the last few years we have played them there I cant remember any major incidents
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Post by: sabhallphadraig on April 18, 2009, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 17, 2009, 08:46:00 PM
St. Paul's 1-12  Aghaderg 0-10

good to get the season off to a winning start, and a clean sheet to boot!!

St Pauls - congrats on your opening win. We escaped late with the points after a bruising encounter in Drumaness (big physical side but fast moving from defence to direct attack) but a wins a win  :)   We'll welcome u's to Saul on Monday night - no predictions from me on that though - its far too early in the season to know how we're all lining up

I've sent u a PM re Monday's squad lists for match programme - if you can help with that - thanks
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 18, 2009, 02:11:35 PM
Down minors hammered this morning by a much more prepared and organised Armagh. 4 weeks to the championship and down still have a panel of over 40which is to be cut. The team out today was a shadow of the best minors in down bar a few. why why can this management not pick a squad earlier and prepare a setteled team for championship. its a joke. same as last year.
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Post by: Trevor Hill on April 18, 2009, 02:21:09 PM
Shamrocks beat Kilclief by 2 points, big wins for Downpatrick and Ballyholland.
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Post by: mournerambler on April 18, 2009, 04:02:39 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on April 18, 2009, 02:21:09 PM
Shamrocks beat Kilclief by 2 points, big wins for Downpatrick and Ballyholland.
???Results were posted by DownFanatic last night Trevor Hill, you'll need to be a bit quicker of the mark when posting results ;)
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Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on April 18, 2009, 06:47:51 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 18, 2009, 04:08:48 AM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on April 17, 2009, 05:53:08 PM
I said months ago, I was confident of the U21s retaining their title. I was shot down right away. Im glad that im right occasionally, despite what the wife says! I beleive a few appologies could be in order! :P Most notably from T O'Hare, who said he didnt rate Conor Maginn?!?! :L This board is always good for a laugh!

Why would i apologise!!!! All i said was i didn't think he was our answer in SENIOR level this year and that he hasn't impressed me that much, i have no doubt that he is a great player but i cannot see hime starting in the championship but fsir dues to the lad if he does!!!
on another note, i watched Glenn and  Teconaught tonight, Mathew Bagnall must have scored 8 or 9 points for Glenn, he certainly knows were the posts are! Collie Murtagh also had a great game in midfield even with his long hair and beard ;D ;D ;D

Wee Matty Bagnall is a star! i didnt know he could shoot though! always thought he was a defender!? :-\
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Post by: Dubh driocht on April 18, 2009, 10:19:54 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 18, 2009, 02:11:35 PM
Down minors hammered this morning by a much more prepared and organised Armagh. 4 weeks to the championship and down still have a panel of over 40which is to be cut. The team out today was a shadow of the best minors in down bar a few. why why can this management not pick a squad earlier and prepare a setteled team for championship. its a joke. same as last year.
And the year before that.And the year before that.Made worse by events in Longford today.County Board had options, with JJ an ideal candidate but went for the easy rather than take the right decision.Shame.
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Post by: AFS on April 19, 2009, 12:23:54 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 18, 2009, 10:19:54 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 18, 2009, 02:11:35 PM
Down minors hammered this morning by a much more prepared and organised Armagh. 4 weeks to the championship and down still have a panel of over 40which is to be cut. The team out today was a shadow of the best minors in down bar a few. why why can this management not pick a squad earlier and prepare a setteled team for championship. its a joke. same as last year.
And the year before that.And the year before that.Made worse by events in Longford today.County Board had options, with JJ an ideal candidate but went for the easy rather than take the right decision.Shame.

How many were Down missing that were off with the U21s? Were yous missing any St. Malachys boys or anyone else?
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Post by: NedFlanders on April 19, 2009, 01:47:57 AM
Kingdom off to a great start  ;D
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Post by: Pangurban on April 19, 2009, 03:11:54 AM
Brilliant performance from the lads in Longford tonight, a joy to watch, Down style of football at its best. There were many lessons to be learned, but for me the main one was that we need Pete managing senior team as these lads move up over the next couple of years. To hand them over to our present inept,negative management, would be a crime. We have the talent in the County to deliver another AI, if not two, over the next five years, and the Man with the CV to guide them. Bring back Pete
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Post by: Dubh driocht on April 19, 2009, 10:35:25 AM
While overall you can't argue with Pete's record, you could argue that from 95 to 02 he did not move the team forward , at a time when the other counties ( especially our neighbours) were making big strides.So any Pete=Good, Ross=Bad debate is too simplistic.There is no doubt that the U21s play VG football but while John Fitzpatrick showed what needs to be done at times, the defence is still not physical enough. Pete has a good steady team with him- obviously Mickey is the legend but Paddy Hardy and Liam Murphy are calm clear thinkers ,ideal for lads at this age. Personally, I think we have the management of seniors and under 21s right at this stage -see my other posts for my views of the third significant team.
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 19, 2009, 12:08:45 PM
Quote from: AFS on April 19, 2009, 12:23:54 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 18, 2009, 10:19:54 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 18, 2009, 02:11:35 PM
Down minors hammered this morning by a much more prepared and organised Armagh. 4 weeks to the championship and down still have a panel of over 40which is to be cut. The team out today was a shadow of the best minors in down bar a few. why why can this management not pick a squad earlier and prepare a setteled team for championship. its a joke. same as last year.
And the year before that.And the year before that.Made worse by events in Longford today.County Board had options, with JJ an ideal candidate but went for the easy rather than take the right decision.Shame.

How many were Down missing that were off with the U21s? Were yous missing any St. Malachys boys or anyone else?

Down had everyone available. most of St Malachys players where playing and Paul Devlin and Conor Poland are overage for minors. the management are working with a large squad and are picking 24 for match days. You would think at this stage they would be building towards their championship team. there was players playing for down yesterday who didnt know the names of players playing alongside them. How the county board give these clowns another year of looking after the team is beyond a joke.
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Post by: behind the wire on April 19, 2009, 12:47:15 PM
another great performance from down u21's, raging i didnt get down to longford for the game.

once again midfield looked the part and the forwards were as accurate as ever. but what is up with defending in down? its as if it isnt even taught in comparison to other counties.

timmy hanna seemed to have an excellent game. him and joe murphy are a prime example of how the senior side should be playing i.e. moving the ball quickly from the defence and moving out to support the attack.

once again well done.

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Post by: thewobbler on April 19, 2009, 05:22:43 PM
Pete's record for lifting trophies is amazing, but he completely lost the team in his last few years as senior manager. And at least half a dozen of those players (Coulter, Hughes, Sexton, Murtagh, Walsh, Doyle, Clarke, Gordon) would still be in contention for starting places for the next few years. So I don't think he is the answer.

Besides, the way Pete sets his teams up and the way Ross sets his team up isn't that dissimilar, and both are plugging in the gaps in defence rather than working a defensive strategy. The emphasis from both is "we're Down, and we'll outscore you". It would appear to be an easier ideal to achieve in under-21 football, but let's not forget how badly Kildare exposed this strategy in the under-21 semi-final last year. Sometimes you just have to throw as many men behind the ball as you can.
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Post by: supersub on April 20, 2009, 03:05:56 AM
ACPRL

Rostrevor 2-14 Clonduff 0-13
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Post by: Trevor Hill on April 20, 2009, 08:14:44 AM
Club Down Re-launched

(http://www.sportsmanager.ie/uploaded/newsreports/8472.jpg)

Club Down, the driving force behind the recent redevelopment of Pairc Esler in Newry, is being re-launched, taking on a wider and evolving role as the main commercial and fund-raising body for the GAA in Down.

A new committee has been established to work in unison with the County Committee with the aim of building a sustainable basis for the future success of Down on and off the field.

An ambitious programme of initiatives and events will be announced at a number of special Information Evenings where supporters can learn what is happening and have a say in this new direction for Club Down and the county.

The dates and venues of these are:

Tuesday 21st April   Wellington Park Hotel, Belfast
Wednesday 22nd April  Canal Court Hotel, Newry
Thursday 23rd April   Slieve Donard Hotel, Newcastle
The evening will commence at 7. 30 pm at each venue, with refreshments, guest speakers and an AV presentation.
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Post by: bcarrier on April 20, 2009, 10:01:51 AM
I knew this would happen.....Pete did well in setting up his early senior teams and the placing of Carr and Mason ( converted defenders) in half forward line and unearthing of target men in 91 and 94 were inspired . You cant however airbrush the last 5 years of Pete's reign from history ...they were a disaster for Down that we are only now recovering from.
Title: EDRFL
Post by: No1 on April 20, 2009, 11:52:11 AM
Kilclief II hammered Saul II, again  :D
Title: Re: EDRFL
Post by: sabhallphadraig on April 20, 2009, 12:53:30 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 20, 2009, 11:52:11 AM
Kilclief II hammered Saul II, again  :D
we're delighted that's the pinnacle of your aims for the year  ;D
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Post by: lecale4 on April 20, 2009, 01:26:11 PM
EDRL

Bredagh 3RDS 3-16 Carryduff 3RDS 1-3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on April 20, 2009, 01:42:17 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on April 20, 2009, 10:01:51 AM
I knew this would happen.....Pete did well in setting up his early senior teams and the placing of Carr and Mason ( converted defenders) in half forward line and unearthing of target men in 91 and 94 were inspired . You cant however airbrush the last 5 years of Pete's reign from history ...they were a disaster for Down that we are only now recovering from.
Must agree whole heartedly bcarrier.
His achievements up to 1994/5 cannot be questioned but the latter part was a disaster, though county board must take some of the blame here as he was allowed to continue without check.
Throughout this period we slid back and the management of up and coming players was abysmal.
Our coaching and structures remained stuck in a bygone age and some of our neighhbours outstripped us.
I would still question the current development and coaching structures within the county, though some clubs and schools have stolen a march on others.
having said all that Pete deserves praise for latter achievements and i have no qualms about recognising his U21 success. Lets hope he brings home the bacon on may 4th
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Post by: DownFanatic on April 20, 2009, 02:14:22 PM
EDRFL

Dundrum 1-14  Liatroim 0-08

We've now won more Reserve games this season than we won in total over the past four years  ;D
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Post by: passedit on April 20, 2009, 08:32:39 PM
Saul 1.12 St Pauls 0.08
Castlewellan beat Saval by 3
Dundrum beat Bredagh by 2
Tullylish 1.16 Ardglass 1.12

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Post by: TORGAEL on April 20, 2009, 08:47:33 PM
DIV3 RESULT

Drumgath 0-8
Glenn 2-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 20, 2009, 08:57:24 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on April 20, 2009, 08:47:33 PM
DIV3 RESULT

Drumgath 0-8
Glenn 2-12

Tor is Mickey still with ye this year? That result's a bit of a surprise. Glenn good or Drumgath bad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 20, 2009, 09:02:56 PM
Mickey is still with us passedit. We started with 5 minors tonight, but to be fair to Glenn, they played very well.
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Post by: Square Ball on April 20, 2009, 09:09:25 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on April 20, 2009, 08:47:33 PM
DIV3 RESULT

Drumgath 0-8
Glenn 2-12

diddnt expect that
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Post by: 5 Sams on April 20, 2009, 09:13:01 PM
Div 2

An Riocht beat the Harps by 5 tonight.....Kilclief and Darragh Cross drew
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Post by: BRIDGE LAD on April 20, 2009, 09:13:34 PM
Bridge beat kilcoo well tonight by 2 12 to 3 4, worrying for us benny went off injured! Kilcoo got 2 jammy goals too! Bridge very good!
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Post by: Bitta-Banter on April 20, 2009, 09:14:14 PM
Kilclief 0-11 Darragh Cross 2-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 20, 2009, 09:20:47 PM
Was at brigde v kilcoo. bridge were very impressive. Walsh was amazing with 2-5 and Benny was Benny until he limped off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 20, 2009, 09:23:28 PM
I have been watching the Down site and the results are arriving in pretty quickly
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Post by: DaUmpire on April 20, 2009, 09:26:37 PM
Down SFL Division 1
Loughinisland  0-10 0-13 Clonduff  
Liatriom  0-8 0-8 Burren  
Bryansford  2-10 1-13 Longstone  
Warrenpoint  0-9 3-10 Rostrevor

Down SFL Division 2
An Riocht  1-11 0-9 Ballyholland  

Down SFL Division 3
Tullylish  1-16 1-12 Ardglass  
Drumgath  0-9 2-12 Glenn  

Down SFL Division 4
Bright  0-15 1-8 Dromara  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 20, 2009, 09:39:57 PM
Co Board v gaaboard (based on Div 3)

gaaboard ahead 4 results to 2 at this point.  Only 2 more results due (A'derg v D'aness & Teconnaght v St Johns)
Still a big improvment by the Co Board's Board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 20, 2009, 09:42:59 PM
Monday 20th April 2009
Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Castlewellan  0-13 1-7 Saval  Castlewellan Round 2 
Loughinisland  0-10 0-13 Clonduff  Loughinisland Round 2 
Liatriom  0-8 0-8 Burren  Liatriom Round 2 
Bryansford  2-10 1-13 Longstone  Bryansford Round 2 
Kilcoo  3-3 2-12 Mayobridge  Kilcoo Round 2 
Warrenpoint  0-9 3-10 Rostrevor  Warrenpoint Round 2 
Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Clann na Banna  1-8 1-6 Shamrocks  Clann na Banna 06 
Kilclief  0-11 2-5 Darragh Cross  Kilclief Round 2 
Annaclone  0-12 3-8 Atticall  Annaclone Round 2 
Ballymartin  1-6 0-13 Downpatrick  Ballymartin Round 2 
An Riocht  1-11 0-9 Ballyholland  An Riocht Round 2 
Glasdrumman  1-12 1-10 Carryduff  Glasdrumman Round 2 
Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Tullylish  1-16 1-12 Ardglass  Tullylish Round 2 
Bredagh  3-6 2-11 Dundrum  Bredagh Round 2 
Saul  1-12 0-8 St Pauls  Saul Round 2 
Drumaness  2-9 1-6 Aghaderg  Drumaness Round 2 
Teconnaught  0-9 0-9 St Johns  Teconnaught Round 2 
Drumgath  0-9 2-12 Glenn  Drumgath Round 2 
Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Mitchels  1-3 1-10 St John Bosco  Mitchels Round 2 
Bright  0-15 1-8 Dromara  Bright Round 2 
Aughlisnafin  0-10 1-4 Ballykinlar  Aughlisnafin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 20, 2009, 09:43:28 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on April 20, 2009, 08:14:44 AM
Club Down Re-launched

(http://www.sportsmanager.ie/uploaded/newsreports/8472.jpg)

Club Down, the driving force behind the recent redevelopment of Pairc Esler in Newry, is being re-launched, taking on a wider and evolving role as the main commercial and fund-raising body for the GAA in Down.

A new committee has been established to work in unison with the County Committee with the aim of building a sustainable basis for the future success of Down on and off the field.

An ambitious programme of initiatives and events will be announced at a number of special Information Evenings where supporters can learn what is happening and have a say in this new direction for Club Down and the county.

The dates and venues of these are:

Tuesday 21st April   Wellington Park Hotel, Belfast
Wednesday 22nd April  Canal Court Hotel, Newry
Thursday 23rd April   Slieve Donard Hotel, Newcastle
The evening will commence at 7. 30 pm at each venue, with refreshments, guest speakers and an AV presentation.


This is a hugely significant announcement and I'm surprised there hasn't been some comment on this. It looks to me like the sort of plan Down have been crying out for and we should get behind this 100%.
Down on the way up big time with this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 20, 2009, 09:44:32 PM
Harps were played off the field by An Riocht tonight. Ballyholland were very disappointing - nobody put their stamp on the game at all. But I was well impressed with the Kingdom - they looked a bit more physical and determined than in recent years.

The ref (I can't recall his name) was a disgrace. We had the same man in the reserves a few weeks and he obviously doesn't like yellow shirts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 20, 2009, 09:47:47 PM
Square Ball,
The Co Board's Board came through late to win the race - well done to whosoever deserves it - Mr C--h-l I presume.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 20, 2009, 09:59:37 PM
Div3 Table   (astrixs = my pre-season tips for playoffs - got Glenn & Drumgath badly wrong)

Pld   Pts   
2   4   Glenn
2   4   Saul*
2   4   Tullylish*
2   2   Ardglass*
2   2   St Pauls
2   2   Drumaness
2   2   Dundrum*
2   1   Teconnaght
1   1   St Johns
2   0   Aghaderg
2   0   Bredagh
1   0   Drumgath*


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 20, 2009, 10:03:49 PM
5 teams in the playoffs onion bag? this year there is automatic promotion for first place and 2nd play third for place in league final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 20, 2009, 10:04:55 PM
Thats the first time we have beaten Bredagh away from home  in a League encounter since 2001. 8 years of Cherryvale pain has finally been erased.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 20, 2009, 10:07:17 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 20, 2009, 10:04:55 PM
Thats the first time we have beaten Bredagh in a League encounter since 2001. 8 years of Cherryvale pain has finally been erased.

Was McComiskey playing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 20, 2009, 10:08:28 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 20, 2009, 10:07:17 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 20, 2009, 10:04:55 PM
Thats the first time we have beaten Bredagh in a League encounter since 2001. 8 years of Cherryvale pain has finally been erased.

Was McComiskey playing?

Aye
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 20, 2009, 10:10:52 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 20, 2009, 10:04:55 PM
Thats the first time we have beaten Bredagh in a League encounter since 2001. 8 years of Cherryvale pain has finally been erased.

it was a hard game DF, ruined IMHO by a referee who was bad for both teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 20, 2009, 10:13:28 PM
Minus - My rithmatic is always doubtful but on this accasion I simply couldn't decide between Saul and Ardglass.

Mid Down Gael: - PMcC played No13 tonight against Bredagh and was kept quite quiet by a Bredagh flying machine.  Maybe he was saving himself for the U21 final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 20, 2009, 10:16:30 PM
Was chatting to a neutral who was at the game who reckoned Mc Comiskey was excellent and that the Dundrum Keeper gave the worst exhibition he'd ever seen.  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 20, 2009, 10:17:20 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 20, 2009, 10:03:49 PM
5 teams in the playoffs onion bag? this year there is automatic promotion for first place and 2nd play third for place in league final.
Not true minus, the way I believe it to be is that whoever finishes top of Division 3 goes into the league final with 2nd & 3rd playing of to see who joins them in the league decider.
The winner of the league final is the only team to be promoted from Division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 20, 2009, 10:21:29 PM
Passedit
Not saying PMcC had a stinker by any means (in fact he is a class act to watch) just nnoting that he didn't shine the way I would have expected him to and have seen him do in the past and credit for that goes to the close marking he received.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 20, 2009, 10:24:05 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 20, 2009, 10:21:29 PM
Passedit
Not saying PMcC had a stinker by any means (in fact he is a class act to watch) just nnoting that he didn't shine the way I would have expected him to and have seen him do in the past and credit for that goes to the close marking he received.   

He had a good 1st half when he scored 3 from play and 1 free. He seemed to tire in the 2nd half which was obviously a result of him having just played 4 games in 8 days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on April 20, 2009, 10:29:33 PM
Lads i have waited a long time to make my 1st post but the day has FINALLY arrived for me. We (Aughlisnafin) got our 1st competitive win in 4 years tonight in a hard fought 0-10 - 1-4 victory over Ballykinlar!! Onwards + upwards from here. Have 2 say as well the referee was excellent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 20, 2009, 10:31:29 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on April 20, 2009, 10:29:33 PM
Lads i have waited a long time to make my 1st post but the day has FINALLY arrived for me. We (Aughlisnafin) got our 1st competitive win in 4 years tonight in a hard fought 0-10 - 1-4 victory over Ballykinlar!! Onwards + upwards from here. Have 2 say as well the referee was excellent.

Fair play to all there, to keep it going this long without a win must be appluaded
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 20, 2009, 10:33:28 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on April 20, 2009, 10:29:33 PM
Lads i have waited a long time to make my 1st post but the day has FINALLY arrived for me. We (Aughlisnafin) got our 1st competitive win in 4 years tonight in a hard fought 0-10 - 1-4 victory over Ballykinlar!! Onwards + upwards from here. Have 2 say as well the referee was excellent.

Brilliant. great to see it. well done the mighty finn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 20, 2009, 10:34:14 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on April 20, 2009, 10:17:20 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 20, 2009, 10:03:49 PM
5 teams in the playoffs onion bag? this year there is automatic promotion for first place and 2nd play third for place in league final.
Not true minus, the way I believe it to be is that whoever finishes top of Division 3 goes into the league final with 2nd & 3rd playing of to see who joins them in the league decider.
The winner of the league final is the only team to be promoted from Division 3.

My mistake mournerambler. just checked this and you are spot on!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 20, 2009, 10:34:41 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on April 20, 2009, 10:29:33 PM
Lads i have waited a long time to make my 1st post but the day has FINALLY arrived for me. We (Aughlisnafin) got our 1st competitive win in 4 years tonight in a hard fought 0-10 - 1-4 victory over Ballykinlar!! Onwards + upwards from here. Have 2 say as well the referee was excellent.

Great to see. A big up also goes to my Dundrum club mate Philly McGrattan who is jointly in charge of the Finn this year. Congrats.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on April 20, 2009, 10:40:47 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 20, 2009, 10:34:41 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on April 20, 2009, 10:29:33 PM
Lads i have waited a long time to make my 1st post but the day has FINALLY arrived for me. We (Aughlisnafin) got our 1st competitive win in 4 years tonight in a hard fought 0-10 - 1-4 victory over Ballykinlar!! Onwards + upwards from here. Have 2 say as well the referee was excellent.

Great to see. A big up also goes to my Dundrum club mate Philly McGrattan who is jointly in charge of the Finn this year. Congrats.

fairplay
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 20, 2009, 10:43:08 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on April 20, 2009, 10:40:47 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 20, 2009, 10:34:41 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on April 20, 2009, 10:29:33 PM
Lads i have waited a long time to make my 1st post but the day has FINALLY arrived for me. We (Aughlisnafin) got our 1st competitive win in 4 years tonight in a hard fought 0-10 - 1-4 victory over Ballykinlar!! Onwards + upwards from here. Have 2 say as well the referee was excellent.

Great to see. A big up also goes to my Dundrum club mate Philly McGrattan who is jointly in charge of the Finn this year. Congrats.

fairplay

well done,ye'll know how far ye've progressed when people stop patronising and start bitchin about ye. ;)

Also, have ye not already beaten the boys from the barracks last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on April 20, 2009, 10:44:00 PM
Excellent news for the Finn. Long time coming but everyone in Down Football will be delighted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 20, 2009, 10:47:10 PM
well played tonight Minus15, musta had super juice in ya b4 the game?  congrats to the finn, un wards and up words
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 20, 2009, 11:23:42 PM
Quote from: general on April 20, 2009, 10:47:10 PM
well played tonight Minus15, musta had super juice in ya b4 the game?  congrats to the finn, un wards and up words
you didn't play too bad yourself general. did you forget to eat your dyslexia cookies after the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on April 20, 2009, 11:31:09 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 20, 2009, 10:43:08 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on April 20, 2009, 10:40:47 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 20, 2009, 10:34:41 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on April 20, 2009, 10:29:33 PM
Lads i have waited a long time to make my 1st post but the day has FINALLY arrived for me. We (Aughlisnafin) got our 1st competitive win in 4 years tonight in a hard fought 0-10 - 1-4 victory over Ballykinlar!! Onwards + upwards from here. Have 2 say as well the referee was excellent.

Great to see. A big up also goes to my Dundrum club mate Philly McGrattan who is jointly in charge of the Finn this year. Congrats.


fairplay

well done,ye'll know how far ye've progressed when people stop patronising and start bitchin about ye. ;)

Also, have ye not already beaten the boys from the barracks last year?
We drew with Ballykinlar once last season and last beat them around august 2005, that has been our only league points gained since reformation (6 years ago) until tonight.   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 20, 2009, 11:34:10 PM
always summit 2 say u have  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 20, 2009, 11:39:35 PM
Quote from: general on April 20, 2009, 10:47:10 PM
well played tonight Minus15, musta had super juice in ya b4 the game?  congrats to the finn, un wards and up words

From what Im hearing Minus is the cornerstone of this newly improved Glenn team. Pundits have dubbed him the 'new Seamie McGuinness.'  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 20, 2009, 11:50:54 PM
lol. its funny because only me and u get it DF. I'm going to have some job explaining that one! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 20, 2009, 11:55:36 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 20, 2009, 11:50:54 PM
lol. its funny because only me and u get it DF. I'm going to have some job explaining that one! ;D
:o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 21, 2009, 12:12:42 AM
no doubt ul have a good stab at it  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 21, 2009, 12:51:54 AM
Bridge were too strong, too fit and too skilful for the Magpies tonight, in truth the scoreline flattered them, we should have won by twice the margin.. We still have a lot of work to do but two away victories out of two aint bad...
Ps Mickey Walsh is playing the best football i have seen him play in years ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 21, 2009, 12:58:10 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 21, 2009, 12:51:54 AM
Bridge were too strong, too fit and too skilful for the Magpies tonight, in truth the scoreline flattered them, we should have won by twice the margin.. We still have a lot of work to do but two away victories out of two aint bad...
Ps Mickey Walsh is playing the best football i have seen him play in years ;)

I dont think it will be too long before Walsh and some others get the call from Ross to join the Championship squad. There are a few boys on the fringes of the panel at the moment who id say are on borrowed time. There could be a mini clearout after the League final methinks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 21, 2009, 01:04:00 AM
Well done Aughnaslafin, you have earned a deserve a bit of success, the beginning of better days for you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on April 21, 2009, 07:55:04 AM
Congratulations on the win for all concerned with Aughlisnafin, was with a few people from a few different clubs on Easter sunday chatting about football in general, and everyone agreed that the dedication within your club must be huge, to come out and train week in and week out without getting a win. I hope its the first of many.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 21, 2009, 08:22:06 AM
Kilcoo 3-4 v Mayobridge 2-12 (SFL)
Mayobridge travelled to Kilcoo to take on the reigning league champions and delivered an emphatic message that Mayobridge are still the team to beat in Down football.  Mayobridge started brightly with a Cathal Magee point in the first minute before Michael Walsh got on the end of a slick Mayobridge move to finish to the net three minutes later.  When Noel Sexton pointed a free on eight minutes everything was looking rosy for the sky blues but this was soon shattered when Gary McEvoy scored a Kilcoo goal in the tenth minute.  Points from Benny Coulter and Ryan Brady got the Bridge ship back on track before a pointed free and a goal from Down under 21 star Paul Devlin gave the Bridge something to think about.  For the remainder of the half Mayobridge pilled on the pressure with two Michael Walsh frees, a Noel Sexton free and a Ryan Brady point from play resulting whilst Kilcoo only managed a Conor Laverty free in reply.  At half time the score read Kilcoo 2-2 Mayobridge 1-8

Early in the second half replacement keeper Sheelin Stain pulled of a great save to deny Conor Laverty a certain goal, Noel Sexton hit another free and in the sixth minute John Quinn hit over a superb long range effort.  On ten minutes Ronan Sexton brilliantly fielded a Kilcoo kick out and after the ball had moved through the hands of Benny Coulter, Adrian Barry, Ryan Brady and Ronan Sexton, Michael Walsh was on hand to finish a great move which was worth the admission price alone.  Noel Sexton scored a point in the sixteenth minute and a minute later Kilcoo were awarded a penalty which Conor Laverty tucked calmly away to register Kilcoo's first score of the half.  Kilcoo scored from a free in the twenty third minute, but Michael Walsh replied with a free of his own almost immediately.  A point near the end for Kilcoo finished the scoring on what was a very impressive away win.  It must be remembered that Owen Roe park has yielded very few rewards for the Mayobridge  Senior team and before last years win it could be six or seven years since our last win there.  All involved in tonight's performance can take a lot of credit from this result.  Next up Loughinisland away.

Team & Scorers: Liam Coulter, Gavin Barry, Brendan Grant, Shane O'Hare, Kieran O'Hare, Conor Garvey, Micheal Lively, Benny Coulter (0-1), Eoghan Woods, Ryan Brady (0-2), Michael Walsh (2-3), Noel Sexton (0-4), Ronan Sexton, Cathal Magee (0-1), John Quinn (0-1)

Subs used: Sheelin Strain for Liam Coulter, Ronan O'Hare for Benny Coulter and Adrian Barry for Kieran O'Hare
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on April 21, 2009, 09:47:03 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 20, 2009, 09:44:32 PM
Harps were played off the field by An Riocht tonight. Ballyholland were very disappointing - nobody put their stamp on the game at all. But I was well impressed with the Kingdom - they looked a bit more physical and determined than in recent years.

The ref (I can't recall his name) was a disgrace. We had the same man in the reserves a few weeks and he obviously doesn't like yellow shirts.


Out of interest wobbler was John Clarke playing, if so how did he go ?

By the way well done to the finn great to see a small club putting a lot of work in which they have over the last few years and getting some reward  !!
Division 1 2013 --> The Finn v The Town  :P     Never say never !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 21, 2009, 11:03:08 AM
Clarke played well, and was involved in most of Kingdom's scores, taking about 5 or 6 for himself. He missed a couple of frees, whcih was surprising, but he looked sharp.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 21, 2009, 01:40:44 PM
outside of mccommiskey and peter fitz will any more of the u21s be called up 2 the senior panel
Title: EDRFL
Post by: No1 on April 21, 2009, 04:19:53 PM
Draw between Kilclief and Darragh was a fair enough result last night. 

I have to say the standard of refereeing so far this year has been absolute f**king gash.

No fixtures in today's IN for the EDRFL this week, can anyone confirm if this is correct?  Wouldn't mind a Sunday on the beer!!

Title: Re: EDRFL
Post by: passedit on April 21, 2009, 05:08:03 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 21, 2009, 04:19:53 PM
Draw between Kilclief and Darragh was a fair enough result last night. 

I have to say the standard of refereeing so far this year has been absolute f**king gash.

No fixtures in today's IN for the EDRFL this week, can anyone confirm if this is correct?  Wouldn't mind a Sunday on the beer!!


Quoile Tile & Bathroom Centre
Date Sunday 19th April Time 7.00pm   
   Section A1         
   Round.Four         
   Teconnaught   v   Castlewellan   J Killen
   Liatroim   v   Bryansford   G brannigan
   Kilcoo      v   Dundrum   S Lowey
   Drumaness   v   St. John's   M Davey
   Section A2         
   Round.Four         
   Ardglass   v   Bredagh   M Lynch
   St. Paul's   v   Bright      E Mulvenna
   Kilclief   v   Darragh Cross   M Curran
   Carryduff   v   Saul ( 5.00pm)   K O' Brien

Appears they were sent out with the wrong date on, which is, I assume, why the IN didn't carry them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 21, 2009, 05:36:13 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 20, 2009, 10:16:30 PM
Was chatting to a neutral who was at the game who reckoned Mc Comiskey was excellent and that the Dundrum Keeper gave the worst exhibition he'd ever seen.  :o

Bit harsh there. In fairness to him being doing nets for our underage teams for number of years and can honestly say seen him make very very few mistakes, so pity he is getting slated on an internet forum, such is the nature of the technological revolution  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on April 21, 2009, 05:51:48 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 21, 2009, 04:19:53 PM
Draw between Kilclief and Darragh was a fair enough result last night. 

I have to say the standard of refereeing so far this year has been absolute f**king gash.

No fixtures in today's IN for the EDRFL this week, can anyone confirm if this is correct?  Wouldn't mind a Sunday on the beer!!



Just as Darragh drew level with a goal, the stage was set for an exciting finish,however the referee had other ideas and blew the game up two minutes early.Both fans and players were angry.Personally i think the ref bottled having to make any big decisions in the remaining 5 mins as he ought to have played some injury time.Think he reckoned both teams would be happy with the draw.At that stage I think Darragh looked more likely to win as theyre tales were up havin got level,however Kilclief had been on top up till that point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 21, 2009, 05:55:05 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 21, 2009, 05:36:13 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 20, 2009, 10:16:30 PM
Was chatting to a neutral who was at the game who reckoned Mc Comiskey was excellent and that the Dundrum Keeper gave the worst exhibition he'd ever seen.  :o

Bit harsh there. In fairness to him being doing nets for our underage teams for number of years and can honestly say seen him make very very few mistakes, so pity he is getting slated on an internet forum, such is the nature of the technological revolution  :o

Don't shoot the messenger there Dundrumite, just sayin what I was told. It's not as if I said he was at sheep or anything.  I wasn't there, did he drop a few clangers or not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 21, 2009, 08:38:45 PM
mickey curran reffed the kilclief darragh game he is a pretty good ref there are a lot worse out there mcelroy from st pauls is the worst iv come across by a mile
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on April 22, 2009, 12:15:57 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 21, 2009, 05:36:13 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 20, 2009, 10:16:30 PM
Was chatting to a neutral who was at the game who reckoned Mc Comiskey was excellent and that the Dundrum Keeper gave the worst exhibition he'd ever seen.  :o

Bit harsh there. In fairness to him being doing nets for our underage teams for number of years and can honestly say seen him make very very few mistakes, so pity he is getting slated on an internet forum, such is the nature of the technological revolution  :o

If hes playing at this level, he is there for critisism..no more or less so than any other senior player..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 22, 2009, 08:14:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAwyo2FRTsM&fmt=18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAwyo2FRTsM&fmt=18)  Kilcoo v the Bridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on April 22, 2009, 08:20:58 AM
Does anyone know what the ticket/admission prices are likely to be for the under 21 final, looking into bringing a coach load of kids from the club down to watch it and trying to work out the rough cost of it all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 22, 2009, 09:19:21 AM
Quotemickey curran reffed the kilclief darragh game he is a pretty good ref

:o  :o  :o

  Eamon Burns effectively reffed that game!  ;)

  The worst by a long shot is the wee lad from Darragh Cross who the county board are actually sending out to referee senior games.  Either he is going have a nervous breakdown or he is going to be the cause of a major incident.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 22, 2009, 09:21:36 AM
Quote from: No1 on April 22, 2009, 09:19:21 AM
Quotemickey curran reffed the kilclief darragh game he is a pretty good ref

:o  :o  :o

  Eamon Burns effectively reffed that game!  ;)

  The worst by a long shot is the wee lad from Darragh Cross who the county board are actually sending out to referee senior games.  Either he is going have a nervous breakdown or he is going to be the cause of a major incident.

It can be nerve wrecking going to Kilclief alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 22, 2009, 09:33:43 AM
the ulster cship u21 games were £8 or 10 euro entrance fee i couldnt make the semi final. id imagine the prices are similar for the final i dont know of any concessions for kids though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 22, 2009, 10:34:44 AM
Quote from: amallon on April 21, 2009, 08:22:06 AM
Kilcoo 3-4 v Mayobridge 2-12 (SFL)
Mayobridge travelled to Kilcoo to take on the reigning league champions and delivered an emphatic message that Mayobridge are still the team to beat in Down football.  Mayobridge started brightly with a Cathal Magee point in the first minute before Michael Walsh got on the end of a slick Mayobridge move to finish to the net three minutes later.  When Noel Sexton pointed a free on eight minutes everything was looking rosy for the sky blues but this was soon shattered when Gary McEvoy scored a Kilcoo goal in the tenth minute.  Points from Benny Coulter and Ryan Brady got the Bridge ship back on track before a pointed free and a goal from Down under 21 star Paul Devlin gave the Bridge something to think about.  For the remainder of the half Mayobridge pilled on the pressure with two Michael Walsh frees, a Noel Sexton free and a Ryan Brady point from play resulting whilst Kilcoo only managed a Conor Laverty free in reply.  At half time the score read Kilcoo 2-2 Mayobridge 1-8

Early in the second half replacement keeper Sheelin Stain pulled of a great save to deny Conor Laverty a certain goal, Noel Sexton hit another free and in the sixth minute John Quinn hit over a superb long range effort.  On ten minutes Ronan Sexton brilliantly fielded a Kilcoo kick out and after the ball had moved through the hands of Benny Coulter, Adrian Barry, Ryan Brady and Ronan Sexton, Michael Walsh was on hand to finish a great move which was worth the admission price alone.  Noel Sexton scored a point in the sixteenth minute and a minute later Kilcoo were awarded a penalty which Conor Laverty tucked calmly away to register Kilcoo's first score of the half.  Kilcoo scored from a free in the twenty third minute, but Michael Walsh replied with a free of his own almost immediately.  A point near the end for Kilcoo finished the scoring on what was a very impressive away win.  It must be remembered that Owen Roe park has yielded very few rewards for the Mayobridge  Senior team and before last years win it could be six or seven years since our last win there.  All involved in tonight's performance can take a lot of credit from this result.  Next up Loughinisland away.

Team & Scorers: Liam Coulter, Gavin Barry, Brendan Grant, Shane O'Hare, Kieran O'Hare, Conor Garvey, Micheal Lively, Benny Coulter (0-1), Eoghan Woods, Ryan Brady (0-2), Michael Walsh (2-3), Noel Sexton (0-4), Ronan Sexton, Cathal Magee (0-1), John Quinn (0-1)

Subs used: Sheelin Strain for Liam Coulter, Ronan O'Hare for Benny Coulter and Adrian Barry for Kieran O'Hare



Anything to worry about here ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 22, 2009, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: passedit on April 21, 2009, 05:55:05 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 21, 2009, 05:36:13 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 20, 2009, 10:16:30 PM
Was chatting to a neutral who was at the game who reckoned Mc Comiskey was excellent and that the Dundrum Keeper gave the worst exhibition he'd ever seen.  :o

Bit harsh there. In fairness to him being doing nets for our underage teams for number of years and can honestly say seen him make very very few mistakes, so pity he is getting slated on an internet forum, such is the nature of the technological revolution  :o

Don't shoot the messenger there Dundrumite, just sayin what I was told. It's not as if I said he was at sheep or anything.  I wasn't there, did he drop a few clangers or not?

To be fair not a position to defend his stance on sheep  ;D But yeah im going to defend a club mate when he is unfairly slated on the world wide web, all players make mistakes and for one or two mistakes to get cited as " the worst exhibition he ever seen" is a HUGE overstatement, . Not really shooting the messenger, he may have said it but your the one who posted it. ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 22, 2009, 12:05:24 PM
Ah jesus Dundrumite am I allowed to say that i was told Mc Comiskey was excellent? The  :o was to signify that maybe just maybe my source may have been exaggerating a bit, but the jist of the conversation i had and tried to pass on here was that ye would have won at a canter had it not been for the fact that your keeper performed slightly less well than his usual high standard (there is that acceptable?).

Now be truthful, who was at fault for the three Bredagh goals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on April 22, 2009, 12:54:59 PM
Kingdom played the harps off the field on Monday past, you cant put that down to Ballyholand not playing well, Kingdom were amazing. That fella Murphy playing number 7 didn't look like a county player, and Murtaghs language towards the referee was disgrace, just goes to show, county men are no angles. John Clarke played really well, scoring 7 and setting up or being Involved in nearly every other score, great win!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 22, 2009, 01:18:23 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 22, 2009, 12:05:24 PM
Ah jesus Dundrumite am I allowed to say that i was told Mc Comiskey was excellent? The  :o was to signify that maybe just maybe my source may have been exaggerating a bit, but the jist of the conversation i had and tried to pass on here was that ye would have won at a canter had it not been for the fact that your keeper performed slightly less well than his usual high standard (there is that acceptable?).

Now be truthful, who was at fault for the three Bredagh goals?

Misunderstanding in interpretation of smileys  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 22, 2009, 02:04:22 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 22, 2009, 09:19:21 AM
Quotemickey curran reffed the kilclief darragh game he is a pretty good ref

:o  :o  :o

  Eamon Burns effectively reffed that game!  ;)

  The worst by a long shot is the wee lad from Darragh Cross who the county board are actually sending out to referee senior games.  Either he is going have a nervous breakdown or he is going to be the cause of a major incident.

All young referees should be encouraged no matter what. The young Darragh Cross whistler you are talking about is still learning and in my view deserves all the praise in the world.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 22, 2009, 02:18:00 PM
  I'm afraid we'll have to disagree on this particular ref. 

  I agree that all competent young refs should be encouraged but for the good of his health this lad should take up fishing or cycling!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on April 22, 2009, 02:25:38 PM
Anthony Rogers is a good young referee comming through the ranks!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 22, 2009, 02:29:06 PM
Any thoughts on saturdays game against Tipp lads? Id expect Down to win this comfortabelty enough!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 22, 2009, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on April 22, 2009, 02:29:06 PM
Any thoughts on saturdays game against Tipp lads? Id expect Down to win this comfortabelty enough!

forgot about that game, are Friday nights games going to be starred then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 22, 2009, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 22, 2009, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on April 22, 2009, 02:29:06 PM
Any thoughts on saturdays game against Tipp lads? Id expect Down to win this comfortabelty enough!

forgot about that game, are Friday nights games going to be starred then?

I believe they are starred.

PS - St Pauls, our Minors are in the same section of the Minor League as you boys. Heard you's have pulled out? Can you confirm?
Saul have already pulled out and it is causing havoc with fixtures.

The lower sections of Minor football has been dying on its knees in East Down these past few years. I think until 13-a-side is introduced or more amalgamations take place at minor level the same trend is going to happen year after year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 22, 2009, 03:19:48 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 22, 2009, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 22, 2009, 02:32:51 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on April 22, 2009, 02:29:06 PM
Any thoughts on saturdays game against Tipp lads? Id expect Down to win this comfortabelty enough!

forgot about that game, are Friday nights games going to be starred then?

I believe they are starred.

PS - St Pauls, our Minors are in the same section of the Minor League as you boys. Heard you's have pulled out? Can you confirm?
Saul have already pulled out and it is causing havoc with fixtures.

The lower sections of Minor football has been dying on its knees in East Down these past few years. I think until 13-a-side is introduced or more amalgamations take place at minor level the same trend is going to happen year after year.

i think they were starred in the provisional list at the start of the year so i presume that the original fixtures down for this Friday are the ones going to be played.

according to our youth officer at a meeting on Sunday night the minors were still going, though there was talk that if there was no improvement in the number of lads turning up for the games, we may to conceed matches or possibly pull out, but i didn't think they would make any rash decisions so quickly to end the involvement. i will find out and let you know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 22, 2009, 03:29:12 PM
who do st pauls play on fri nite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 22, 2009, 03:35:34 PM
will the u21s be allowed 2 play on fri nite they played on monday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 22, 2009, 03:53:16 PM
QuoteSaul have already pulled out and it is causing havoc with fixtures.

I'm surprised at that, I was under the impression that their juvenile section was going great guns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 22, 2009, 04:01:51 PM
Quote from: gerdy on April 22, 2009, 03:29:12 PM
who do st pauls play on fri nite


drumgath, so not sure if it will affect us or not, assuming packie downey and jackie lynch are still on the senior panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rois on April 22, 2009, 04:04:56 PM
Was anyone at the Club Down info evening last night?  I'd be interested to hear what the craic was from it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on April 22, 2009, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 22, 2009, 08:14:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAwyo2FRTsM&fmt=18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAwyo2FRTsM&fmt=18)  Kilcoo v the Bridge
Jus after watchn the highlights Mickey Walsh looking in good shape, his secong goal in particular was great coming at the end of some good quick passing from the bridge. Is Ronan Sexton still involved with the county?been a while since i seen him play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 22, 2009, 05:20:45 PM
i think jackie lynch is injured and downey wasnt called up 2 the senior panel this year as far as i know. Drumgath were disappointing last year and didnt start well on monday. they have some decent players especially the captain at chb a red haired fella. i dont know his name though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 22, 2009, 05:58:58 PM
Quote from: Rois on April 22, 2009, 04:04:56 PM
Was anyone at the Club Down info evening last night?  I'd be interested to hear what the craic was from it.

  Are you thinking of jumping from the (sinking) Good Ship Tyrone? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 22, 2009, 07:05:12 PM
Quote from: gerdy on April 22, 2009, 05:20:45 PM
i think jackie lynch is injured and downey wasnt called up 2 the senior panel this year as far as i know. Drumgath were disappointing last year and didnt start well on monday. they have some decent players especially the captain at chb a red haired fella. i dont know his name though.

Ging? Mark Connolly? Or Dan McCabe? Couple gingers I know from Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 22, 2009, 11:01:37 PM
Quote from: Rois on April 22, 2009, 04:04:56 PM
Was anyone at the Club Down info evening last night?  I'd be interested to hear what the craic was from it.

Wasn't at the Belfast night but went along to Canal Court tonight. Danny Hughes & Ross Carr there. Dan Gordon & Benny Coulter sent messages that they are fully behind it. Impressive presentation by Vincey Mc Govern of new Club Down memberships. Different levels £10, £40 or £100 a month and linked to members' draws for cash prizes and a car.  Money will go to help all teams, youth development, etc. New faces on the committee, lots of events planned  and they look like they mean business.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on April 22, 2009, 11:42:02 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 22, 2009, 03:06:08 PM

The lower sections of Minor football has been dying on its knees in East Down these past few years. I think until 13-a-side is introduced or more amalgamations take place at minor level the same trend is going to happen year after year.

very worrying development, something urgent needs to be done to revive the under age teams here. it must be a case of players opting to play other sports?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 22, 2009, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on April 22, 2009, 11:42:02 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 22, 2009, 03:06:08 PM

The lower sections of Minor football has been dying on its knees in East Down these past few years. I think until 13-a-side is introduced or more amalgamations take place at minor level the same trend is going to happen year after year.

very worrying development, something urgent needs to be done to revive the under age teams here. it must be a case of players opting to play other sports?
I would say that the sooner the Divisional boards are done away with & we have all county leagues the better our juvenile leagues will become, this may not be to the liking of a lot of the muppets/hangers on that exist on both South & East Down boards but it can only help the mess our juvenile leagues are in at the moment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rois on April 23, 2009, 12:17:32 AM
Quote from: wobbller on April 22, 2009, 05:58:58 PM


  Are you thinking of jumping from the (sinking) Good Ship Tyrone? ;D ;D

Just wanted to see what the story was, and sounds like a good plan with the diff membership levels. I'd imagine you'd get a good few on the tenner option.

Club Tyrone's not quite dead yet.  I hope it's a successful venture for Down. It's not like we're competing for the same people's money.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 23, 2009, 07:58:00 AM
Hurling legue results:

Div 1
Ballycran 4-9 2-8 Bredagh
Warrenpoint lost by 30 at home to Liatroim

Div 2
Ballygalget 3-13 0-3 Warrenpoint

Any others?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 23, 2009, 08:45:37 AM
Kilclief Beat Ballygalget II's by a goal and a lock of points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 23, 2009, 08:50:23 AM
Quote from: No1 on April 23, 2009, 08:45:37 AM
Kilclief Beat Ballygalget II's by a goal and a lock of points.

2-11 to 1-7 by my sources No1.

Glad to see growler is working his magic on your lads  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 23, 2009, 08:55:14 AM
  Aye, next stop Senior Championship  :D

  I only saw about half an hour last night and in fairness he seems to have got a few of our better hurlers back playing which is no mean feat!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 23, 2009, 08:59:01 AM
That's a good win for Kilclief. Ballygalget looked good v our lot on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 23, 2009, 11:19:58 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on April 22, 2009, 11:42:02 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 22, 2009, 03:06:08 PM

The lower sections of Minor football has been dying on its knees in East Down these past few years. I think until 13-a-side is introduced or more amalgamations take place at minor level the same trend is going to happen year after year.

very worrying development, something urgent needs to be done to revive the under age teams here. it must be a case of players opting to play other sports?
In our Club it's soccer and that great game of chasing--women.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 23, 2009, 11:38:23 AM
kilclief and bright amalgamated for the minors this year. even rgu had to join up with ardglass for the u21s this year. i was surprised 2 hear that saul pulled out. def does not bode well 4 them 4 the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 23, 2009, 01:18:43 PM
Ive said it numerous times before but I think it is now time for the East and South Down Divisional Boards to merge and operate under the one entity.

Apart from a few logistical reasons, i.e - travelling expenses for long journeys, I can see no real strong reasons for objecting to such a venture.

The biggest travesty has been the fact that the Bord na Og All County Leagues have been scrapped this year. Over the past few years there has seemed to be a reluctance by South Down teams to participate in them. This has been far from ideal.

In Tyrone they have got it spot on in my opinion. Underage competitions are run on all county basis and this allows for 3 or 4 grades of competition in each age group.

At underage level in Down at the moment from U-12 to U-16, there are only four occasions during the season when a South Down and East Down team get to face each other. These are the U-14 A and B Championship Finals and the U-16 A and B Championship Finals.

Now there are many examples in the past but I just want to illustrate one current one. The current Carryduff U-14 team is probably the best underage age team I have ever witnessed in action in East Down. More than likely they will win the East Down Championship this year and at the same time canter through their League. Their only game against South Down opposition will come in the County U-14 A Championship Final. Similarly in two years time if this group of players completes the same feats in East Down then they will once again get the chance to face South Down opposition in All County Final. That will be only two occasions that that team will get to face South Down opponents in the space of two years. Not good enough.

There have been occasions in the past where an underage team has come right through from U-12 to Minors from East Down and has never once faced a competitive game against a South Down side.

We need our best underage teams in Down facing off against each other in a well structured weekly All County programme. By limiting ourselves to geographical areas for the makeup of our Leagues, we are running the risk of creating un-balanced sections which in turn can allow for one or two teams to dominate therefore reducing the chance for competitive fixtures each week.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 23, 2009, 02:08:59 PM
Bord nanog has been a farce for a number of years... The South Down leagues are well organised and games are played on a regular basis... the level of football is better and is played on a much fairer scale!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 23, 2009, 07:03:53 PM
great post DF and I agree with a lot of what you say, this year at u16, and I think its the same at u14 but dont quote me on it, its the top two or three in the South and East Down leagues who will play off in a league basis, at least the top teams will get to play a few games against eachother.

I would say that the best u14 team I have witnessed has to be the Kilcoo one that is now broken up between minor and second year u16s, and I have seen both at close quarters

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 23, 2009, 08:49:23 PM
the south down clubs prob wudnt want the hassle of playing east down clubs at the moment. if their leagues are competitive at the moment why wud they want to face poor quality sides who are struggling to field. Ardglass have played 2 games at minor this year and the oppsition have about 5 scores between them. in hindsight we maybe should have entered the top division. the de la salle has 2 be congratulated in particular the coaching there has improved dramatically in recent years and clubs like ardglass are really seeing the benefits. i thought saul and kilclief would have seen the same results. we have at least 5 minors playing regulary for the seniors and they have preformed well so far all of them went 2 the de la salle as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 23, 2009, 09:26:04 PM
I have to disagree with you entirely DownFanatic.

The one thing that will guarantee you juvenile footballers and mentors walking away from the game is a series of excessive away trips, especially for 7pm throw-ins on week nights. It takes the likes of our club the best part of a hour to hit half the clubs in East Down.

Why would a 14 or 16 year old from Newry, half-committed to anything and everything, go the whole way to Belfast to play GAA when all the soccer matches he wants is on his doorstep in Newry? What about when's 17 and working for a living? How many clubs really have a healthy selection at all grades to risk losing their half-committed players.

But there's worse. There's travelling for an hour to find out the ref hasn't turned up and you opponents won't play a friendly. Worse again, there's travelling an hour and finding out that your opponents have decided not to field because of a game the next night involving some of their players (this happened to our u16s last year). Did they phone ahead and let us know? Did they hell. That's when even your committed players and managers start walking away.

Let juveniles enjoy football, don't make them sick of it in an ill-advised attempt to make things more competitive for a team here or there.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 23, 2009, 09:36:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 23, 2009, 09:26:04 PM
I have to disagree with you entirely DownFanatic.

The one thing that will guarantee you juvenile footballers and mentors walking away from the game is a series of excessive away trips, especially for 7pm throw-ins on week nights. It takes the likes of our club the best part of a hour to hit half the clubs in East Down.

Why would a 14 or 16 year old from Newry, half-committed to anything and everything, go the whole way to Belfast to play GAA when all the soccer matches he wants is on his doorstep in Newry? What about when's 17 and working for a living? How many clubs really have a healthy selection at all grades to risk losing their half-committed players.

But there's worse. There's travelling for an hour to find out the ref hasn't turned up and you opponents won't play a friendly. Worse again, there's travelling an hour and finding out that your opponents have decided not to field because of a game the next night involving some of their players (this happened to our u16s last year). Did they phone ahead and let us know? Did they hell. That's when even your committed players and managers start walking away.

Let juveniles enjoy football, don't make them sick of it in an ill-advised attempt to make things more competitive for a team here or there.

The amount of tankings some underage teams in East Down take year in year out because of the lack of suitable competition in the divisional area is just as big if not a bigger factor than what you suggest for the non enjoyment of the sport.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 23, 2009, 09:45:37 PM
Yep Down Fanatic, I know all about it. But sending a rubbish group of players on an 80 mile round trip just so as they don't get tanked is not the answer.

And no matter what you do, some mentors will be blinded to how bad their teams really are, and other mentors will be sneakily doing what they can to lift a cup even if it means playing rubbish teams every week. So the leagues will always have anomalies.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 23, 2009, 09:51:39 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 23, 2009, 09:45:37 PM
Yep Down Fanatic, I know all about it. But sending a rubbish group of players on an 80 mile round trip just so as they don't get tanked is not the answer.

And no matter what you do, some mentors will be blinded to how bad their teams really are, and other mentors will be sneakily doing what they can to lift a cup even if it means playing rubbish teams every week. So the leagues will always have anomalies.

We'll agree to disagree but the All County underage system works really well in Tyrone so there must be some merit behind it.

P.S. Rostrevor made it 3 out of 3 tonight with a win over Castlewellan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 23, 2009, 09:56:33 PM
rafferty has made a great start with them. Are the u21s available 2 play 2moro nite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on April 23, 2009, 09:57:54 PM
Wouldnt mind the minor leagues starting earlier, remember playing in the east down league on sunday mornings. Meant leagues were over by time exams were starting and left boys free for U16s,reserves and seniors.At the moment i know boys in my own club trying to commit to 3 teams while keeping up with school work an part-time jobs etc.Minor championship could be played in the summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 23, 2009, 09:59:18 PM
Div one
Rostrevor 0.12 Castlewellan 1.5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 23, 2009, 10:03:11 PM
Under 21 players
Conor Magee and Colm Murney did not play for Rostrevor tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 23, 2009, 10:05:04 PM
the u21 capt i think is from castlewellan did he play 2nite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 23, 2009, 10:06:10 PM
Quote from: DaUmpire on April 23, 2009, 09:57:54 PM
Wouldnt mind the minor leagues starting earlier, remember playing in the east down league on sunday mornings. Meant leagues were over by time exams were starting and left boys free for U16s,reserves and seniors.At the moment i know boys in my own club trying to commit to 3 teams while keeping up with school work an part-time jobs etc.Minor championship could be played in the summer.

Loved playing Minor football on a Sunday morning. Leagues were usually wrapped up by April and then we had Championship in May. It left the whole Summer free for Reserves and Seniors.

A few years ago Kilcoo put in a motion to the East Down Board to start the Minor Leagues in April and since then that has been the status quo.

Gerdy - U21 captain is Timmy Hanna from Bryansford.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 23, 2009, 10:11:09 PM
your rite df i cudnt remember his name i knew he was from either bford or the town. Any word on the 15 startin on sat
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 23, 2009, 10:14:45 PM
Quote from: gerdy on April 23, 2009, 10:11:09 PM
your rite df i cudnt remember his name i knew he was from either bford or the town. Any word on the 15 startin on sat
All in good health ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 23, 2009, 11:11:40 PM
can anyone shine light on what happend with the keeper(gordon) for the u21's? played up til the ulster semi i think, now hes not in the first 24
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 24, 2009, 01:30:43 AM
Quote from: umpire on April 23, 2009, 09:59:18 PM
Div one
Rostrevor 0.12 Castlewellan 1.5

we also missed a penalty and a few very scoreable frees! hopefully the lads can keep this good form up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on April 24, 2009, 09:07:46 AM
Quote from: general on April 23, 2009, 11:11:40 PM
can anyone shine light on what happend with the keeper(gordon) for the u21's? played up til the ulster semi i think, now hes not in the first 24
From what i heard the keeper at the momnet Joyce, was unhappy about not getting a chance in goals and was thinking about walking away. Pete give him an opportunity in goals and since them has been happy enough to keep him in there. theres talk about fall outs and things like that but not sure if there true. Both very good keepers. If Gordan wasnt in the 24 who was the sub goalie?I thought i seen Gordan sitting on the bench last sat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mickey Linden on April 24, 2009, 11:02:57 AM
Many of you heading to the match tomorrow? Is there no thread on the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 24, 2009, 12:09:21 PM
Quote from: DaUmpire on April 24, 2009, 09:07:46 AM
Quote from: general on April 23, 2009, 11:11:40 PM
can anyone shine light on what happend with the keeper(gordon) for the u21's? played up til the ulster semi i think, now hes not in the first 24
From what i heard the keeper at the momnet Joyce, was unhappy about not getting a chance in goals and was thinking about walking away. Pete give him an opportunity in goals and since them has been happy enough to keep him in there. theres talk about fall outs and things like that but not sure if there true. Both very good keepers. If Gordan wasnt in the 24 who was the sub goalie?I thought i seen Gordan sitting on the bench last sat.

did seem strange thow that joyce was in the senior squad panel 4 a while but yet not gettin games for u21s - and cathal murdock was no.16 for down against mayo in the semi final!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 24, 2009, 03:16:43 PM
Atticall beat Glasdrumman last night 1-11 to 1-06.

Atticall now have 3 wins out of 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 24, 2009, 03:19:41 PM
i thought glasdrumman would do well in div2 this year. they were v good in div 3 last year. they r much better than carryduff i cant see them staying up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 24, 2009, 08:41:29 PM
ardglass beat aghaderg by 5 points tonite any other scores in yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 24, 2009, 08:54:11 PM
Drumgath beat St.Pauls by 3 points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 24, 2009, 08:55:40 PM
ardglass play drumgath next week. wat kind of team have u got this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 24, 2009, 08:57:39 PM
Dundrum 1-08 Saul 1-08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 24, 2009, 08:57:59 PM
Very young side gerdy. 5 minors starting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 24, 2009, 09:02:54 PM
we have 4 minors starting and 1 or 2 more coming of the bench similar to yourselves. looks tight in div3 again this year. we had a terrible 2nd half in tullylish last week up by 5 at ht and lost by 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 24, 2009, 09:04:47 PM
Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Loughinisland  0-6 0-10 Mayobridge  Loughinisland Round 3 

Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Darragh Cross  0-7 1-10 Annaclone  Darragh Cross Round 3 
Downpatrick  1-6 0-13 An Riocht  Downpatrick Round 3 

Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ardglass  2-10 1-8 Aghaderg  Ardglass Round 3 
Glenn  0-8 1-8 Tullylish  Glenn Round 3 
St Johns  1-10 3-10 Bredagh  St Johns Round 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 24, 2009, 09:07:00 PM
Kilcoo beat Longstone in the stone 2-7 to 0-9. finished 13 aside with 4 players recieving straight reds in an ill tempered second half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 24, 2009, 09:18:38 PM
Teconnaught bt Drumaness by 6
Carryduff beat Banbridge by 3
St Micks beat the Kinlar by 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 24, 2009, 09:31:15 PM
Clonduff  0-8 2-13 Liatriom 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 24, 2009, 09:35:18 PM
Burren  0-11 0-7 Warrenpoint  Burren Round 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 24, 2009, 09:37:31 PM
Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Clonduff  0-8 2-13 Liatriom  Clonduff Round 3 
Saval  0-7 1-12 Bryansford  Saval Round 3 
Burren  0-11 0-7 Warrenpoint  Burren Round 3 
Longstone  0-9 2-7 Kilcoo  Longstone Round 3 
Loughinisland  0-6 0-10 Mayobridge  Loughinisland Round 3 

Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Darragh Cross  0-7 1-10 Annaclone  Darragh Cross Round 3 
Downpatrick  1-6 0-13 An Riocht  Downpatrick Round 3 
Carryduff  1-9 1-6 Clann na Banna  Carryduff Round 3 
Ballyholland  1-8 0-11 Kilclief  Ballyholland Round 3 

Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Dundrum  1-8 1-8 Saul  Dundrum Round 3 
Ardglass  2-10 1-8 Aghaderg  Ardglass Round 3 
St Pauls  1-8 1-11 Drumgath  St Pauls Round 3 
Drumaness  1-8 1-13 Teconnaught  Drumaness Round 3 
Glenn  0-8 1-8 Tullylish  Glenn Round 3 
St Johns  1-10 3-10 Bredagh  St Johns Round 3 

Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ballykinlar  0-8 0-12 St Michaels  Ballykinlar Round 3 
Dromara  1-9 1-7 Aughlisnafin  Dromara   
St John Bosco  3-6 1-5 Bright  St John Bosco Round 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 24, 2009, 09:43:07 PM
DIV 3

Pld   Pts   
3   6   Tullylish*
3   5   Saul*
3   4   Glenn
3   4   Ardglass*
3   3   Dundrum*
3   3   Teconnaght
3   2   St Pauls
3   2   Drumaness
3   2   Bredagh
2   2   Drumgath*
2   1   St Johns
3   0   Aghaderg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 24, 2009, 09:51:04 PM
they are his pre season tips to finish in a playoff place
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 24, 2009, 09:53:06 PM
5 of them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 24, 2009, 10:06:02 PM
In light oflast week's info from Minnus and Mourne Ramblers ref Div 3 playoffs I have amended my tip to just 3 i.e. Tullylish, Dundrum and Drumgath.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 25, 2009, 12:31:11 AM
Harps drew with Kilclief.....we could have won it in the end and it would have been a travesty.

We didnt even deserve a point.....we were brutal.

Fair play to the Kilclief lads...v impressed with the brand of football they played...and every man jack came into the club afterwards for a pint and a sandwich..

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 25, 2009, 12:59:18 AM
P   W   D   L   Pts   SD   Teams
3   3   0   0   6   19   Mayobridge
3   3   0   0   6     18   Rostrevor
3   2   1   0   5       5   Burren
3   2   0   1   4        0   Castlewellan
3   1   1   1   3     10   Liatroim
3   1   1   1   3       7   Bryansford
3   1   1   1   3     -3   Longstone
3   1   0   2   2     -6   Kilcoo
3   1   0   2   2     -9   Clonduff
3   1   0   2   2       -9   Saval
3   0   0   3   0     -9   Loughinisland
3   0   0   3   0   -23   Warrenpoint
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on April 25, 2009, 09:57:53 AM
Rostrevor with 3 wins out of 3  :o Rafferty seems to be working wonders there.
Does anyone have a copy of the Division 2 table?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 25, 2009, 11:41:25 AM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on April 25, 2009, 09:57:53 AM
Rostrevor with 3 wins out of 3  :o Rafferty seems to be working wonders there.
Does anyone have a copy of the Division 2 table?

League table for Down SFL Division 2

Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Atticall  3 3 0 0 43 30 13 6
An Riocht  3 3 0 0 36 25 11 6
Downpatrick  3 2 1 0 41 28 13 4
Ballyholland  3 1 1 1 40 38 2 3
Clann na Banna  3 1 1 1 27 28 -1 3
Shamrocks  2 1 1 0 17 17 0 2
Carryduff  3 1 2 0 32 33 -1 2
Kilclief  3 0 1 2 28 30 -2 2
Darragh Cross  3 0 1 2 25 31 -6 2
Glasdrumman  3 1 2 0 37 47 -10 2
Annaclone  3 1 2 0 31 43 -12 2
Ballymartin  2 0 2 0 18 25 -7 0

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 25, 2009, 11:57:58 AM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on April 25, 2009, 09:57:53 AM
Rostrevor with 3 wins out of 3  :o Rafferty seems to be working wonders there.
Does anyone have a copy of the Division 2 table?

::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FermGael on April 25, 2009, 07:49:26 PM
Who is not playing for Down today??
Obviously Coulter and the lad McComiskey.
Gordon coming back from injury to I see. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on April 25, 2009, 09:10:56 PM
jackie lynch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 25, 2009, 09:31:01 PM
did gordan go off injured? is it serious
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 25, 2009, 09:31:48 PM
Quote from: FermGael on April 25, 2009, 07:49:26 PM
Who is not playing for Down today??
Obviously Coulter and the lad McComiskey.
Gordon coming back from injury to I see. 


The question should maybe have been 'who is playing for Down today' Don't like being negative but we quite simply had too many passengers on the field today, maybe the fact that the GAA gave the game little recognition for what it was had an effect on the Down team as a number of them just wern't at the races.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 25, 2009, 09:41:09 PM
the focus would be on fermanagh in 3 weeks and the u21 final but the performane today wouldnt inspire confidence. a good few lads to come back admittedly but how many of them are going to be  match fit and up to championship pace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Carbery on April 25, 2009, 10:11:13 PM
Who was the Down No.11 he was magnificient?  Without doubt the best centre-forward from Greg Blaney.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 25, 2009, 10:14:23 PM
John Boyle was no 11. He had a decent game, although he tired noticeably, and the comparisons with Blaney are not sustainable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 25, 2009, 10:19:39 PM
100% rite mournerambler. Id be surprised if he played any football in the championship. seems to deliberate in posession slows things up can hit a good pass but wouldnt influence a game enough for such a crucial position. I hear mickey walsh is playing well but he too has had very few good games for down he always had the potential though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 25, 2009, 10:23:44 PM
Quote from: Carbery on April 25, 2009, 10:11:13 PM
Who was the Down No.11 he was magnificient?  Without doubt the best centre-forward from Greg Blaney.


How many 50/50 balls did he win?
The answer would probably be none, ok he scored a point but he's way out of his depth playing at county level, you need to be prepared to put your body on the line & to be quite honest I havn't seen him do that & for you to say he's the best number 11 since Greg Blaney is just way of the mark.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gerdy on April 25, 2009, 10:27:13 PM
there wasnt too many boys enhanced there reputations today what happened with gordan is he injured
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 26, 2009, 12:07:12 AM
First of Congrats to tipp on a deserved win. Tonight provided further evidence, if needed, of the total unsuitability of Ross and DJ for management of a county football team. Rather than try to play the Down style of football, which players are used to week in and week out, they opt to play the Tyrone style badly. A few individuals kept Down in the game tonight, Gordon,Hughes and Ireland in particular, but as a team they were disorganised and clueless. The shot choices were Juvenile, and that is being kind. Two points were conceded by players playing the Ball across their own goal when it was totally unnecessary.  Apart from roaring contradictory instructions from the sideline, and keeping them in HT, for five minutes longer than permitted, thus incurring a fine, Ross and DJs only contribution was comedy. I still believe this squad has potential, but they will never realise it while Ross and DJ remain in charge. Expect an early exit from championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on April 26, 2009, 12:15:05 AM
I cannot understand how you say Hughes played well. He wom some ball but then made a "balls" of it.
)Thon boy Magee willl never be a senior footballer.
Garvey just a liability!! Dirty but not hard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 26, 2009, 12:23:02 AM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on April 26, 2009, 12:15:05 AM
I cannot understand how you say Hughes played well. He wom some ball but then made a "balls" of it.
)Thon boy Magee willl never be a senior footballer.
Garvey just a liability!! Dirty but not hard
Would have to agree with gorm agus bui on this point, I accept that Danny did have a lot of possesion today & as always covers a hell of a lot of ground, but he always seems to want to do it all himself & score a point from impossible angles instead of a simple lay-off to a team mate in a better position ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 26, 2009, 12:27:58 AM
Hughes has had better games for Down, but he won every race for possession, scored an outstanding point and hit the post as well. His distribution could have been better, but Tipp knew he was our main threat. The rest of our forward line looked ordinary by comparison.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on April 26, 2009, 12:33:55 AM
Danny Hughes was probably Downs best player today, which says it all. Does Aidan Carr have to hit every free ? Is there not a left footed free taker in the county  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 26, 2009, 12:38:32 AM
I thought Peter Turley was having a steady game, but for some reason or other he was substituded ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on April 26, 2009, 12:41:32 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on April 26, 2009, 12:38:32 AM
I thought Peter Turley was having a steady game, but for some reason or other he was substituded ???

He was given a yellow card for an off the ball tackle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 26, 2009, 12:43:16 AM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on April 26, 2009, 12:41:32 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on April 26, 2009, 12:38:32 AM
I thought Peter Turley was having a steady game, but for some reason or other he was substituded ???

He was given a yellow card for an off the ball tackle.
Oh rite, missed that one, just thought it was a management call.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on April 26, 2009, 12:59:19 AM
A management call??? Its Down we are talking about, the management don't seem to make calls  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 26, 2009, 06:20:30 AM
Quote from: Carbery on April 25, 2009, 10:11:13 PM
Who was the Down No.11 he was magnificient?  Without doubt the best centre-forward from Greg Blaney.



This is a wind-up isn't it?
Or has it been posted by Mrs Boyle?
If it is a serious post then either the observer needs treatment urgently - or we all do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 26, 2009, 10:17:20 AM
very disappointed with the way down performed yesterday after making another long journey to support the team.

the problems i outlined after the roscommon game still persisted yesterday the only difference being that tipp knew how to exploit them. tipp are not a great side, they simply have a few decent players and are well set up with a clear game plan, something down appear to be completely devoid of. when a team of limited ability can expose such weakness by simply beng well organised it shows just how little progress has been made. a good footballing team would rip us to shreds.

once again down appeared to be completely pedestrian. whereas tipp were able to break quickly upfield without a challenge going in down's build up was typically laboured allowing defenders to get back behind the ball. down dont put the first tackle in until the opposition cross half way, continually backing off and allowing long ball to be kicked in. as before too much handing the ball from one player to the next with no progress being made.

i never criticise individuals on here because they are all doing their best but i would point out that only for danny hughes down would have suffered a much heavier defeat. he was the only one that wanted to win possession and take the game to the opposition.

thought turley did well until he was ordered off and kevin duffin looked very comfortable on the ball coming out of defence which is something down need. keeper's kickouts were good but the breaking ball statistics are woeful, i would estimate downs share of breaking ball to be in around 20%.

was paul murphy injured? i would say joe ireland is disapointed to have been taken off after being introduced. i thought he was winning some decent ball and was performing alright when he was called ashore.

thats my tuppence worth anyway. hopefully championship brings better fortunes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 26, 2009, 10:24:24 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on April 26, 2009, 12:07:12 AM
First of Congrats to tipp on a deserved win. Tonight provided further evidence, if needed, of the total unsuitability of Ross and DJ for management of a county football team. Rather than try to play the Down style of football, which players are used to week in and week out, they opt to play the Tyrone style badly. A few individuals kept Down in the game tonight, Gordon,Hughes and Ireland in particular, but as a team they were disorganised and clueless. The shot choices were Juvenile, and that is being kind. Two points were conceded by players playing the Ball across their own goal when it was totally unnecessary.  Apart from roaring contradictory instructions from the sideline, and keeping them in HT, for five minutes longer than permitted, thus incurring a fine, Ross and DJs only contribution was comedy. I still believe this squad has potential, but they will never realise it while Ross and DJ remain in charge. Expect an early exit from championship

What he said.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on April 26, 2009, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: behind the wire on April 26, 2009, 10:17:20 AM
i would say joe ireland is disapointed to have been taken off after being introduced. i thought he was winning some decent ball and was performing alright when he was called ashore.

Joe took a heavy knock and should have been replaced at half time in extra time. He had been doing well up until then, but he slowed noticeably after the knock.

Like a lot of posters, I don't like slagging off amateurs who give up so much in the interests of Down football, but a lot of the current squad simply don't have the appetite for the modern game and the management don't seem to have a game plan for those that do. Nothing has changed in Down over the last decade, we are still making the same simple mistakes and playing the same brand of football that does not suit our players. Albert Einstein famously said that insanity was doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, someone on the county board should be made aware of this.
An idiot behind me at the game yesterday was calling for Ross and DJ to go and Pete McGrath to take over again, this is not the answer either, though it would be a distinct improvement as I don't think a man can serve 2 masters. What I think we need is a fresh approach, someone with no prejudice against certain players or clubs and someone who cannot be accused of favouritism towards others (sons included). What we need is an established outsider. A Micko, a Paidi, a Big Joe or anyone with big game experience. We were all quick to call for PORs head on a plate after Sligo, but this current league campaign has at times been worse than Sligo. The first half in Limerick was the worst I have seen in over 30 years of following Down. IF Club Down are to spend their money wisely they cold do worse than provide the funds for expenses for an experienced manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 26, 2009, 11:33:45 AM
Yesterday yet again proved our county management are a joke. why pick tubes to play for county when there is far better players within the clubs. Good job its only Fermanagh in the championship. Downs style off play this year is not pretty to watch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 26, 2009, 11:49:48 AM
thanks Trevor Hill, i didnt realise joe was injured when he went off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on April 26, 2009, 12:59:20 PM
Down kicked themselves out of the game.
Yes Hughes wins a lot of ball. Butwhats the point in having posession if you continually kick bad wides & play suicide passes?
Too many of the so called stars of the team are untouchable. You cant say one bad word about them or everyone throws the toys out of the pram.
In my opinion Aidan Carr was very poor, Hughes wants to do his own thing & there are too many passengers at the minute.
John Boyle was steady enough a CHF & some of the things said on here are a disgrace. Hes no Greg Blaney but he was by no means Downs worst player yesterday...........I think more of the senior players need to stand up & be counted in these big games as oppossed to being happy enough to tag along!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 26, 2009, 01:19:16 PM
Quote from: guevara on April 26, 2009, 12:59:20 PM
Down kicked themselves out of the game.
Yes Hughes wins a lot of ball. Butwhats the point in having posession if you continually kick bad wides & play suicide passes?
Too many of the so called stars of the team are untouchable. You cant say one bad word about them or everyone throws the toys out of the pram.
In my opinion Aidan Carr was very poor, Hughes wants to do his own thing & there are too many passengers at the minute.
John Boyle was steady enough a CHF & some of the things said on here are a disgrace. Hes no Greg Blaney but he was by no means Downs worst player yesterday...........I think more of the senior players need to stand up & be counted in these big games as oppossed to being happy enough to tag along!
You really need to take the Warrenpoint tinted glasses off guevara, the fact is your club mate was poor & not only yesterday.
I don't have an axe to grind with you or Warrenpoint but feel that questions should be asked as to why he continues to be included on the County panel, also some of the things you posted about other players in the past may fall into the same category you are referring to about John Boyle, i've gave one example below regarding Cathal Magee.
GAA Discussion / Local GAA Discussion / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football  on: January 23, 2009, 08:43:36 PM 
Totally agree Lynch is being made a scapegoat for other players shortcomings!!
He isn't the best on the ball but he seems to know that. If there is a 5 yard pass on he gives it but too many times last night he wasn't given any options.
Ireland went AWOL. For guy a lot of people on this board were talking up as next big thing he done nothing, was happy to kick his usual early point then dissapeared.
We are a one trick pony & everyone in the country has copped on. Get it lump it in on top of Benny & pray for a goal!!
Why give high ball when he was devastating against Tyrone with good low ball in space that allowed him to turn & take on the man?
To many of our "seasoned performers" simply didn't show up last night. McKernan, Carr, Sexton, Kearney all brutal!

Also think Cathal Magee proved last night he's definitely not good enough. Dropped ball constantly, fumbled passes & missed several chances.
Would Ronan Murtagh not be an option at 14?? Maybe Wobbler could correct me but is that not were he is best at club level?
Carr seems to be grooming him at 11 but I honestly don't think he's the answer there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 26, 2009, 01:31:10 PM
Quotewhy pick tubes to play for county when there is far better players within the clubs.
I can't wait to see the list of players you would bring in. Mickey Walsh is the obvious one, but let's not pretend that Walsh didn't regularly have games as bad as anyone had yesterday when he was a Down regular. Ross and DJ's squad isn't far off the mark at all.

QuoteDowns style off play this year is not pretty to watch.
If the last 15 years have taught us anything, it's that Down's free-flowing style of football is never going to win anything - and just as importantly leaves us wide open for a hiding from a well-organised, tactically aware team. Whether Ross and DJ are the right men to implement a more disciplined system is questionable, but i for one am delighted that they at least have recognised the need for change - something their predecessors shunned away from.



To be honest though, there is some amount of shte being talked all the way above. Please put the match in its proper context:

1. The outcome of the game didn't matter, not not bit. Winning a division 3 title or getting promoted from division 3 - it's the same thing. Nobody cares.
2. The under-21s plus a number of key senior players were missing.
3. A number of players picked up knocks and/or were removed from action with the now defunct yellow card ruling.
4. What a tactically inept Tipperary team throw against us is no preparation for what is coming against Fermanagh. The standard in terms of talent isn't going to be much different, but O'Rourke's men will be thinking a whole different ball game.
5. It was a crap Saturday evening in front of a crowd of maybe 300 people.
6. If Down are going experiment with players and tactics, better now than in May and June.




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 26, 2009, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 26, 2009, 01:31:10 PM
Quotewhy pick tubes to play for county when there is far better players within the clubs.
I can't wait to see the list of players you would bring in. Mickey Walsh is the obvious one, but let's not pretend that Walsh didn't regularly have games as bad as anyone had yesterday when he was a Down regular. Ross and DJ's squad isn't far off the mark at all.

QuoteDowns style off play this year is not pretty to watch.
If the last 15 years have taught us anything, it's that Down's free-flowing style of football is never going to win anything - and just as importantly leaves us wide open for a hiding from a well-organised, tactically aware team. Whether Ross and DJ are the right men to implement a more disciplined system is questionable, but i for one am delighted that they at least have recognised the need for change - something their predecessors shunned away from.



To be honest though, there is some amount of shte being talked all the way above. Please put the match in its proper context:

1. The outcome of the game didn't matter, not not bit. Winning a division 3 title or getting promoted from division 3 - it's the same thing. Nobody cares.
2. The under-21s plus a number of key senior players were missing.
3. A number of players picked up knocks and/or were removed from action with the now defunct yellow card ruling.
4. What a tactically inept Tipperary team throw against us is no preparation for what is coming against Fermanagh. The standard in terms of talent isn't going to be much different, but O'Rourke's men will be thinking a whole different ball game.
5. It was a crap Saturday evening in front of a crowd of maybe 300 people.
6. If Down are going experiment with players and tactics, better now than in May and June.






We lost to Tipperary. A hurling county. If Michael Walsh, John Clarke, James Colgan, Mark Poland, James McGovern, Conor Laverty and Sean Parr are not better than a lot off players on squad then i dont understand. I dont want to slate individuals on panel but many have proved time and time again that they simply arent good enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on April 26, 2009, 01:54:55 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 26, 2009, 06:20:30 AM
Quote from: Carbery on April 25, 2009, 10:11:13 PM
Who was the Down No.11 he was magnificient?  Without doubt the best centre-forward from Greg Blaney.



This is a wind-up isn't it?
Or has it been posted by Mrs Boyle?
If it is a serious post then either the observer needs treatment urgently - or we all do.


Sounds like Mrs Boyle to me to be honest? Even mentioning Greg Blaneys name in the same context really Mrs Boyle!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 26, 2009, 02:16:30 PM
QuoteMichael Walsh, John Clarke, James Colgan, Mark Poland, James McGovern, Conor Laverty and Sean Parr

They're all very useful players, but at the same time there aren't too many people who would would have the latter five anywhere near the Championship XV. Walsh has generally been disappointing for Down, while Clarke was disappointing in last year's Championship after an excellent league campaign.

Bringing those 7 in wouldn't turn this Down team around.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 26, 2009, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 26, 2009, 02:16:30 PM
QuoteMichael Walsh, John Clarke, James Colgan, Mark Poland, James McGovern, Conor Laverty and Sean Parr

They're all very useful players, but at the same time there aren't too many people who would would have the latter five anywhere near the Championship XV. Walsh has generally been disappointing for Down, while Clarke was disappointing in last year's Championship after an excellent league campaign.

Bringing those 7 in wouldn't turn this Down team around.



Thats a matter of opinion. there are some players on squad who dont merit inclusion over these men. Walsh and Clarke in particular are given a raw deal. like Sexton, Murtagh etc.. have made no impact and they get chance after chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 26, 2009, 03:05:43 PM
can i ask how many posters here were actually at the game yesterday? sounds like most are going on simply what they seen on tv. you really needed to be there to appreciate fully just how bad down were.

i agree wobbler that it was a nothing game with a terrible attendance in terms of supporters but what we also have to realise is that its less than 4 weeks to championship time.

we can talk all day about what players could be brought in but as wobbler says it would make little difference. what really worries down supporters is that down have no style or system of play and can't effectively move the ball up the field at speed. tipp won yesterday simply because they had a system of play and stuck to it. it wasn't as if they were a great team. i would even go as far as to say that tipp made as many unforced errors as down did. only difference was that tipp were organised and had a plan.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 26, 2009, 03:15:47 PM
QuoteThats a matter of opinion. there are some players on squad who dont merit inclusion over these men. Walsh and Clarke in particular are given a raw deal. like Sexton, Murtagh etc.. have made no impact and they get chance after chance.

Your argument doesn't stack up here. In effect you just want to replace two players who have underachieved in a Down shirt with... two other players who have underachieved in a Down shirt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on April 26, 2009, 03:49:35 PM
Was very dissapointed watching the final yesterday. Seemed to me the players shared the same mentality as some of the posters o nthis board, we are promoted already, so who cares. That is a pathetic atitude to have, honestly. The difference is having a medal and not having one. It another thing to put in your 'honours won' and it is a peice of silverware for our county. Its a trophy for Christs sake! And its a trophy we would have in our possession now if it werent for some terrible displays of shot selection and juvenile mistakes.

I mean, kicking the ball across your own goal is something you are taught not to do when you are under 8!!

Shot selection was dyer. Too many times to players pass the ball to a man 3 yards away. This man proceeeded to do the same, and we went nowhere, back and forth across the feild for what seemed like an eternity, eventually ended in a shot off a weaker left foot into the keepers hands.(cant remember who hit the shot).

And Conor Garvey is well capable of playing at this level, hes the most competent number 3 since his clubmate Brendan Grant, arguably. Now that McKernan is injured, Garvey is definatly the best option there. They are both full backs, who can play football. They are comfortable carrying the ball and drive forward, something we witnessed yesterday with Garveys point just on halftime extratime.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on April 26, 2009, 05:16:19 PM
does anybody really think things would have been as bad yesterday if coulter, mc comiskey, mc kernan, rodgers  and doyler were starting.

dont rate john boyle , doesnt seem willing to give it 100% for 50/50  balls , hit a good point but also a bad wide. BRING BACK WALSH
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on April 26, 2009, 06:37:20 PM
Conor Laverty would never last in an inter county game. He would last 5 minutes, because he'd either get busted, or be sent off for diving, cuz i really cant imagine inter county refs can be as niave as the ones within Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on April 26, 2009, 06:38:50 PM
And i dont remember who it was there a couple pages back, compared John Boyle to Greg Blaney..Come off it will ya!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on April 26, 2009, 06:53:50 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on April 26, 2009, 06:38:50 PM
And i dont remember who it was there a couple pages back, compared John Boyle to Greg Blaney..Come off it will ya!
I can only imagine he was taking the piss!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on April 26, 2009, 07:08:35 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on April 26, 2009, 06:53:50 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on April 26, 2009, 06:38:50 PM
And i dont remember who it was there a couple pages back, compared John Boyle to Greg Blaney..Come off it will ya!
I can only imagine he was taking the piss!!

I really dont think he was though..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 26, 2009, 09:13:22 PM
Some serious grasping at Straws here lads eg. bring back Mickey Walsh, can anyone remember him having a good game in a Down jersey. A strong case could be made for John Clarke, however the fact remains that our biggest weakness is on the side-line, and the inclusion of Sean Cavanagh, the Gooch, p. Bradley et.al. would make no difference, as our present management would have them playing Basket-Ball in defence, while uttering stupid mantras about men behind the ball. We have under 21 defenders capable of hitting 40 or 50 yd. foot passes to forwards capable of winning the ball, i cant believe our seniors would be any less competent if allowed to play and express themselves. When a HB wins the ball , looks up and finds his Midfielders and forwards are standing beside him,, he has little option but to resort to keep-ball. the problem is that no team ever won anything playing football in their own half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 26, 2009, 09:38:30 PM
Games now on Thursday night

Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Castlewellan  Longstone  Castlewellan 30/04/2009 19:00 Neill Cousins Round 4 
Loughinisland  Burren  Loughinisland 30/04/2009 19:00 Shane Lowey Round 4 
Liatriom  Rostrevor  Liatriom 30/04/2009 19:00 Paul Gelston Round 4 
Bryansford  Mayobridge  Bryansford 30/04/2009 19:00 Con Reynolds Round 4 
Kilcoo  Clonduff  Kilcoo 30/04/2009 19:00 Gavin Corrigan Round 4 
Warrenpoint  Saval  Warrenpoint 30/04/2009 19:00 Alan Grant Round 4 


Down SFL Division 2

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Clann na Banna  Downpatrick  Clann na Banna 30/04/2009 19:00 Peter Brannigan Round 4 
Kilclief  Atticall  Kilclief 30/04/2009 19:00 Mark Lynch Round 4 
Annaclone  Carryduff  Annaclone 30/04/2009 19:00 Seamus O Hanlon Round 4 
Ballymartin  Ballyholland  Ballymartin 30/04/2009 19:00 Martin Rawlinson Round 4 
An Riocht  Darragh Cross  An Riocht 30/04/2009 19:00 Ned Morgan Round 4 
Glasdrumman  Shamrocks  Glasdrumman 30/04/2009 19:00 Mickey Curran Round 4 


Down SFL Division 3

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
St Johns  Drumgath  St Johns 27/04/2009 19:00 John Killen Round 1 
Drumaness  Tullylish  Drumaness 30/04/2009 19:00 Ciaran Brannigan Round 4 
Bredagh  St Pauls  Bredagh 30/04/2009 19:00 Eugene O Hare Round 4 
Saul  Glenn  Saul 30/04/2009 19:00 Damien Laverty Round 4 
Aghaderg  St Johns  Aghaderg 30/04/2009 19:00 Sean Flynn Round 4 
Teconnaught  Dundrum  Teconnaught 30/04/2009 19:00 P D Doyle Round 4 
Drumgath  Ardglass  Drumgath 30/04/2009 19:00 Jim Burns Round 4 


Down SFL Division 4

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Bright  Mitchels  Bright 30/04/2009 19:00 John Killen Round 4 
Aughlisnafin  St John Bosco  Aughlisnafin 30/04/2009 19:00 John Mc Mullan Round 4 
St Michaels  Dromara  St Michaels 30/04/2009 19:00 TBC Round 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 26, 2009, 10:29:11 PM
DF, any reason for the change of date for the games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 26, 2009, 10:30:42 PM
Apparently the Down footballers are going on a love me do weekend, so the rest of us have to shift our schedules around them.

Couldn't they have had their weekend in Laois this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 26, 2009, 10:35:05 PM
All the same to me Hardstation - it's far enough away for me not to go, so it's far enough away to make a weekend of it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 26, 2009, 10:35:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 26, 2009, 10:30:42 PM
Apparently the Down footballers are going on a love me do weekend, so the rest of us have to shift our schedules around them.

Couldn't they have had their weekend in Laois this weekend?

holy fcuk!! there aren't too many county players in div 3, don't see the need for us to have to play our games on Thursday night!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on April 26, 2009, 10:55:49 PM
alot of posters reading alot into a joke match on saturday night, judge the county on there championship in my opinion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on April 26, 2009, 11:09:42 PM
Yesterday was one of the worst days of being a down supporter, I was one of the few who travelled to watch the game and it was nothing short of an embarassment. I know it was a division 3 final and it doesnt compare to championship, but it was our last competitive game before fermanagh .....we need to be getting the small things right so the big things can happen on the big day!!

Tipperary...famous for hurling played as well as they could but Down just didnt seem to have a clue. No sign of a game plan and certainly no sign of team play. It's unfair to criticise individual peopl but as an honest fan - hughes needs to recognise he's not on his own playing footbal there are others around to help!!
there were several lads who tried hard, but to be honest when one man on the line is shouting one thing and his sidekick is shouting the opposite it's hard for the players to know who to listen to.
carr continues to hit all the free;s which says nothing for the 6 forwards that we have, who each convert frees to scores for their club.
Along with each game there is always controversy and yesterdays chat in the stand was the noteable absence of damien rafferty. he appears to have fallen out of favour in recent weeks and has been shafted from the captains role to make room for the managers son.

Hopefully gordon & co will make speedy recover's for the big clash in 3 weeks: They are badly needed!!

I have read recent posts regarding the players who are absent, Clarke & Walsh noteably - In my opinion each have played well for Down: Clarks league performance last year was incredible and Walsh put in an excellent season in 2006 collecting man of the match V Cavan & having trials with Ireland for Aussie Rules. These two players would be a welcome addition to any county team but as long as Dumb N Dumber AKA Ross N DJ are in the driving seat they shall remain out in the cold.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 26, 2009, 11:21:14 PM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on April 26, 2009, 11:09:42 PM
Yesterday was one of the worst days of being a down supporter, I was one of the few who travelled to watch the game and it was nothing short of an embarassment. I know it was a division 3 final and it doesnt compare to championship, but it was our last competitive game before fermanagh .....we need to be getting the small things right so the big things can happen on the big day!!

Tipperary...famous for hurling played as well as they could but Down just didnt seem to have a clue. No sign of a game plan and certainly no sign of team play. It's unfair to criticise individual peopl but as an honest fan - hughes needs to recognise he's not on his own playing footbal there are others around to help!!
there were several lads who tried hard, but to be honest when one man on the line is shouting one thing and his sidekick is shouting the opposite it's hard for the players to know who to listen to.
carr continues to hit all the free;s which says nothing for the 6 forwards that we have, who each convert frees to scores for their club.
Along with each game there is always controversy and yesterdays chat in the stand was the noteable absence of damien rafferty. he appears to have fallen out of favour in recent weeks and has been shafted from the captains role to make room for the managers son.

Hopefully gordon & co will make speedy recover's for the big clash in 3 weeks: They are badly needed!!

I have read recent posts regarding the players who are absent, Clarke & Walsh noteably - In my opinion each have played well for Down: Clarks league performance last year was incredible and Walsh put in an excellent season in 2006 collecting man of the match V Cavan & having trials with Ireland for Aussie Rules. These two players would be a welcome addition to any county team but as long as Dumb N Dumber AKA Ross N DJ are in the driving seat they shall remain out in the cold.
What's wrong with Gordon, he played yesterday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on April 27, 2009, 10:56:18 AM
lads, can anyone give directions of how to get to st johns pitch from belfast??? :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 27, 2009, 11:07:23 AM
 <http://www.google.co.uk/maps?daddr=Castlewellan+BT31+9NR,+UK&geocode=&dirflg=&saddr=BELFAST&f=d&sll=54.302452,-5.908027&sspn=0.010092,0.027637&ie=UTF8&z=10]www.google.co.uk/maps?daddr=Castlewellan+BT31+9NR,+UK&geocode=&dirflg=&saddr=BELFAST&f=d&sll=54.302452,-5.908027&sspn=0.010092,0.027637&ie=UTF8&z=10>] <http://www.google.co.uk/maps?daddr=Castlewellan+BT31+9NR,+UK&geocode=&dirflg=&saddr=BELFAST&f=d&sll=54.302452,-5.908027&sspn=0.010092,0.027637&ie=UTF8&z=10 (http://www.google.co.uk/maps?daddr=Castlewellan+BT31+9NR,+UK&geocode=&dirflg=&saddr=BELFAST&f=d&sll=54.302452,-5.908027&sspn=0.010092,0.027637&ie=UTF8&z=10>)

There ye go sur or type BT31 9NR into your sat nav.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on April 27, 2009, 11:29:26 AM
Quote from: passedit on April 27, 2009, 11:07:23 AM
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There ye go sur or type BT31 9NR into your sat nav.

Cheers passedit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on April 27, 2009, 01:55:02 PM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on April 26, 2009, 11:09:42 PM
Yesterday was one of the worst days of being a down supporter, I was one of the few who travelled to watch the game and it was nothing short of an embarassment. I know it was a division 3 final and it doesnt compare to championship, but it was our last competitive game before fermanagh .....we need to be getting the small things right so the big things can happen on the big day!!

Tipperary...famous for hurling played as well as they could but Down just didnt seem to have a clue. No sign of a game plan and certainly no sign of team play. It's unfair to criticise individual peopl but as an honest fan - hughes needs to recognise he's not on his own playing footbal there are others around to help!!
there were several lads who tried hard, but to be honest when one man on the line is shouting one thing and his sidekick is shouting the opposite it's hard for the players to know who to listen to.
carr continues to hit all the free;s which says nothing for the 6 forwards that we have, who each convert frees to scores for their club.Along with each game there is always controversy and yesterdays chat in the stand was the noteable absence of damien rafferty. he appears to have fallen out of favour in recent weeks and has been shafted from the captains role to make room for the managers son.

Hopefully gordon & co will make speedy recover's for the big clash in 3 weeks: They are badly needed!!

I have read recent posts regarding the players who are absent, Clarke & Walsh noteably - In my opinion each have played well for Down: Clarks league performance last year was incredible and Walsh put in an excellent season in 2006 collecting man of the match V Cavan & having trials with Ireland for Aussie Rules. These two players would be a welcome addition to any county team but as long as Dumb N Dumber AKA Ross N DJ are in the driving seat they shall remain out in the cold.

I don't understand why Carr hits all the free's either.  He scored a couple of great free's in the championship last year from the wrong side but they where only great frees as he was hitting them from his wrong side.  Is there no left footed players on the panel who can hit a free from the right side?
Title: irishnews
Post by: goldenyears on April 27, 2009, 02:02:10 PM
Allianz NFL Division Three final: Tipperary 0-18 Down 1-14 (aet)
Compiled by Niall McCoy and Paddy Tierney
27/04/09

DOWN Ratings

Michael McAllister: Good under the high ball and varied his kick-outs. Poor pass led to a Brian Coen point in extra-time. 6

Ciaran McGovern: Started off on Barry Grogan before quickly switching to James Tierney, who grabbed three points. 5.5

Conor Garvey: Had a good battle with Coen but came out on the wrong side. Kicked a beautiful point in extra-time. 6

Luke Howard: Started brightly but found Grogan a handful. Conceded a number of frees and gave away the penalty. 5.5

Aidan Carr: Impressive from frees and kicked a beautiful point at the death. Too often wasted possession. 6

Peter Turley: Won a couple of break balls and pushed forward well, but failed to stamp his authority. Yellow-carded. 6.5

Declan Rooney: Found Mulvihill elusive but fared better on John Cagney, who did get on the scoresheet late on. 6

Dan Gordon: Excellent in normal time and scored two points from play. Ran out of gas in extra-time. 7.5

Stephen Kearney: Lost his battle with George Hannigan. Dropped deep in the second half, but will be disappointed. 6

Brendan McArdle: Started brightly with the opening score, faded after that and was replaced by Joe Ireland. 6

John Boyle: Down's chief ball winner in the opening half scored a classy point. Some bad passes, but played well. 7

Ronan Murtagh: Steady. Took his goal well and also grabbed a point. But the game bypassed him for large periods. 6.5

Cathal Magee: Played a big part in the goal and took the right option when pointing in the second half when a goal looked on. Didn't impress under the high ball. 6

Daniel Hughes: His direct style caused problems, but wasted too many balls. Down's best player in extra-time. 7.5

Ronan Sexton: Came in for the injured Benny Coulter. Finished scoreless and failed to get involved. 6

Substitutes

Joe Ireland: Immediately added a presence in the middle when introduced at half-time. 6.5

Damien Rafferty: Introduced when Turley was yellow-carded. Suffered a similar fate 10 minutes later. 5

Martin Cole: Found it hard to get involved when introduced late on. Did cut out a number of balls. 6

Kevin Duffin: Found it difficult to adjust to the pace when introduced. 6

Paul Murphy: Little time to make an impact. 6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 27, 2009, 02:11:16 PM
Although people are linking the cases of John Clarke and Michael Walsh, different issues are involved. Walsh was left out after the 2007 championship because the management concluded he was not playing well and others should get their chance. They were perfectly entitled to take such a decision, as Walsh is a talented but inconsistent player who sometimes gives the impression that he lacks self-belief when the pressure is on.

For example, he came off the bench against Monaghan in the 2007 USC and kicked two fine points. He kept his place for the qualifier against Meath, but made no impact. The previous summer, he was MoM in the win over Cavan at Casement and poor in the next game away to Donegal.

However, he is still only 27, and by all accounts is in the best form of his career at club level. We have tried a range of options at CHF, and none have proved particularly convincing, so we have little to lose by bringing him back now.

Clarke was dropped for non-footballing reasons before this year's McKenna Cup, and most people believe that a relatively minor breach of squad rules was involved. Although again the management were entitled to make the call, the problem is that Clarke has now been out of favour for almost four months. We do not know the attitude of the two parties at this stage, but it has all dragged on for too long and should be capable of being resolved.

Apart from the Wexford game at Croke Park, when almost everyone  failed to deliver, Clarke was excellent throughout the 2008 league and championship. He can do a job in both defence and attack, and is probably best as a ball-winning wing forward.

Recalling Walsh and Clarke would freshen our squad and provide us with genuine competition for places. Let's hope it happens.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 27, 2009, 02:32:29 PM
Could anybody post up this weeks East Down fixtures? Yet again they havent been put on the Down website.

I see Ballymartin beat Shamrocks by 3 points in Division 2 yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on April 27, 2009, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 27, 2009, 02:32:29 PM
Could anybody post up this weeks East Down fixtures?

DF - here u go ....

Date  Tuesday  28th  April Time 7.30pm 
U-18 Football League Section "A" 2009    
     Round.Four              
     Carryduff    v    St. Mary's    D Laverty
     Bredagh    v    Bryansford    S Mc Greevy
     Downpatrick    v    Loughinisland    L Morgan
     Kilcoo    v    Castlewellan    P Gelston
                    
Date  Tuesday  28th April Time 7.30pm    
U-18 Football League Section "B" 2009    
     Round Four              
     Cill Darrach    v    Ardglass    M Lynch
     Drumaness    v    Cill Breactain    M Brady
     St, John's    v    St. Paul's    E O' Hare
     Teconnaught    v    St. Joseph's    G Corrigan
                    
     Gerry Hynds Trophies Downpatrick    
Date  Wednesday  29th  April Time 7.30pm    
U-16  "A" Football Championship  Round One
     Downpatrick         Cill Darach    M Curran
     St Joseph's         Carryduff    M Brady
     Ardglass         Castlewelan    D Lavert y
     Drumaness         Kilcoo    F Holland
     St. Paul's         Bredagh    P Brownlee
     St. John's         Saul    M Lynch
     Bryansford         Loughinisland    C McAlinden
     Cill Breactain         St. Mary's    G Brannigan

     Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 14 League    
U-14 Football League Section "A" 2009    
     Date  Thursday 30th April Time 7.30pm    
     Round Three              
     Carryduff    v    Bryansford    S McGreevy

U-14 Football League Section "B2" 2009    
     Cill Breactain    v    Carryduff    G Marks
                    
     Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 14 League    
U-14 Football League Section "A" 2009    
Date  Friday  1st May Time 7.30pm         
     Round Three              
     Saul    v    Castlewellan    J McMullan
     Kilcoo    v    Bredagh    M McNulty
                    
U-14 Football League Section "B1" 2009    
     Round Three              
     Downpatrick    v    Bredagh    F Holland
     St. Joseph's    v    Darragh Cross    M Brady
                    
U-14 Football League Section "B2" 2009    
     Round Three              
     Liatroim    v    Dromara    C McAlinden
     Drumaness    v    St. John's    L Morgan
     St. Paul's    v    Loughinisland    S McGreevy
                    
U-14 Football  Development Squad  Venue Saul 12.30pm.    
                    
Date Sunday 3rd  May Time 12.30pm    Plus 2 Print Downpatrick    
U-12 Football League Section "A" 2009    
     Round Five              
     Bredagh    v    Downpatrick    P Brownlee
     Kilcoo    v    Bryansford    J Magennis
     St. Paul's    v    Carryduff    F Holland

U-12 Football League Section "B" 2009    
     Round Five              
     Saul    v    Ardglass    A sharvin
     Carryduff    v    Dromara 1.30pm    M Davey
     Castlewellan    v    St. John's 1.30pm    M McNulty
     Liatroim    v    Cill Darach    

U-12 Football League Section "C" 2009    
     Round. Five              
     Kilclief    v    St. Paul's    G Marks
     Drumaness    v    Bredagh    G Tumelty
     Teconnaught    v    St. Joseph's    P Gelston
                    
   Minor Feis Sevens    Venue Liatroim    
Date Sunday 3rd  May Time 2.00pm         
     Section A              
     St. Mary's         Drumaness    
     Bryansford         St. John's    
     Bredagh         Loughinisland    
     Carryduff         Cill Breactain    
                    
     Section B              
     Teconnaught         St. Joseph's    
     Kilcoo         Ardglass    
     St. Paul's         Castlewellan    
     Downpatrick         Cill Darach    
                    
Quoile Tile & Bathroom Centre Reserve League
Date Sunday 3rd May Time 7.00pm         
     Section A1              
     Round. Five              
     Castlewellan    v    Bryansford    G Brannigan
     Drumaness    v    Dundrum    S Lowey
     Liatroim    v    Kilcoo    M Lynch
     St. John's    v    Teconnaught    L Morgan
     
     Section A2             
     Round. Five              
     Bredagh    v    Bright    K O' Brien
     Darragh Cross    v    Saul    J Killen
     St. Paul's    v    Kilclief    E Mulvenna
     Carryduff    v    Ardglass    J McMullan
                    
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 27, 2009, 03:35:06 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 27, 2009, 02:32:29 PM
Could anybody post up this weeks East Down fixtures? Yet again they havent been put on the Down website.

I see Ballymartin beat Shamrocks by 3 points in Division 2 yesterday.

I know someone who will be very happy DF  :o bookies taken to cleaners and their nose rubbed in it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 27, 2009, 05:11:57 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 24, 2009, 09:07:00 PM
Kilcoo beat Longstone in the stone 2-7 to 0-9. finished 13 aside with 4 players recieving straight reds in an ill tempered second half.

Any word what happened at this game, i suspect that Longstone started this and Kilcoo were the innocent victims ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 27, 2009, 05:24:50 PM
Thanks Statto
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 27, 2009, 06:04:21 PM
Quote from: Statto-Gael on April 27, 2009, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 27, 2009, 02:32:29 PM
Could anybody post up this weeks East Down fixtures?

U-16  "A" Football Championship  Round One[/b][/u]
     Downpatrick         Cill Darach    M Curran
     St Joseph's         Carryduff    M Brady
     Ardglass         Castlewelan    D Lavert y
     Drumaness         Kilcoo    F Holland
     St. Paul's         Bredagh    P Brownlee
     St. John's         Saul    M Lynch
     Bryansford         Loughinisland    C McAlinden
     Cill Breactain         St. Mary's    G Brannigan

[                    

A local Derby and forerunner to the senior game on Thursday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on April 27, 2009, 06:14:55 PM
Mourne Rambler,
It seems a few of the Irish News boys have Warrenpoint tinted glasses too??
In my opinion people on here should be asking the questions of the players on the panel 5 & 6 years not fellas that are on it 1 or 2!
Too many of our senior players let games pass them by & know fine well they will be around next year.
If certain players on this board who are getting slated played for the more fashionable clubs there probably wouldnt be a word said.
Big Improvement needed for Championship & hopefully this weekend will help
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 27, 2009, 07:56:26 PM
Think your right Imagine, but just sticking to the fixture lists, you never know whos watching..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 27, 2009, 08:41:34 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 27, 2009, 07:56:26 PM
Think your right Imagine, but just sticking to the fixture lists, you never know whos watching..

i presume the 2 managers sorted this one between themselves. frankie sent our chairman a text this morning saying the game was back to Friday!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 27, 2009, 09:15:25 PM
DIV3 RESULT

ST.JOHNS  0-12
DRUMGATH  0-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 27, 2009, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 27, 2009, 08:41:34 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 27, 2009, 07:56:26 PM
Think your right Imagine, but just sticking to the fixture lists, you never know whos watching..

i presume the 2 managers sorted this one between themselves. frankie sent our chairman a text this morning saying the game was back to Friday!

Correct.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 27, 2009, 10:01:16 PM
anything to report there torgael? Did yous have much the same team out as against Glenn last week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 28, 2009, 08:44:55 AM
Not a lot to report Minus, except that both teams did well to play any football as the weather conditions made it treacherous. The rain didnt stop for the whole game. And yes, it was practically the same team that lined out against Glenn, just a few positional changes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rois on April 28, 2009, 02:25:47 PM
Any Kilcoo board members around today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 28, 2009, 02:27:38 PM
Quote from: Rois on April 28, 2009, 02:25:47 PM
Any Kilcoo board members around today?

Mid Down Gael would be the man your looking for
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on April 28, 2009, 10:42:44 PM
pangurban- with 2-3 against kilcoo and playing the football of his life i wouldnt say calling for walsh back is clutching at straws. can take your point about the management but remember thats the management who led us to victory against tyrone and to playing football in august in 2008
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 28, 2009, 11:05:44 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on April 28, 2009, 10:42:44 PM
pangurban- with 2-3 against kilcoo and playing the football of his life i wouldnt say calling for walsh back is clutching at straws. can take your point about the management but remember thats the management who led us to victory against tyrone and to playing football in august in 2008[
A lot of Down supporters on the board would argue with that statement!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 28, 2009, 11:29:44 PM
Quote from: imagine on April 28, 2009, 11:25:48 PM
Any ED Minor results from tonight's matches?

Our Minors bate Teconnaught by 2 to make it 2 wins out of 3 in Section B. In reality Ardglass are going to walk this section.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 29, 2009, 02:28:48 AM
Bryansford v Bredagh minors was a super game and ended in a draw 0:14 to 2:8 respectively,
Both teams deserve great credit for their contributions to this see/saw game that saw Bredagh come very late from the dead to earn a deserved draw.

Any word or how Kilcoo, St Marys and Downpatrick minors went? 
Hey shit, look at the time, I should be in bed now. Bye.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 29, 2009, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on April 28, 2009, 11:05:44 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on April 28, 2009, 10:42:44 PM
pangurban- with 2-3 against kilcoo and playing the football of his life i wouldnt say calling for walsh back is clutching at straws. can take your point about the management but remember thats the management who led us to victory against tyrone and to playing football in august in 2008[
A lot of Down supporters on the board would argue with that statement!

Add relegation to Div 3, subsequent faltering and lucky promotion, and the Wexford debacle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 29, 2009, 09:26:49 PM
Dodgy Umpire i have not questioned the fact that M.Walsh is a good even great club footballer, so was J.Trainor, but neither of them ever delivered consistently in a Down Jersey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on April 29, 2009, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on April 29, 2009, 09:26:49 PM
Dodgy Umpire i have not questioned the fact that M.Walsh is a good even great club footballer, so was J.Trainor, but neither of them ever delivered consistently in a Down Jersey

In fairness Shorty was more often in the pub than he was on the training/playing field. He has only himself to blame for not winning 2 all Ireland medals. And that is not taking anything away from his playing abilities, he was a fantastic footballer he just wasn't that committed to the county squad.
Michael Walsh is a different case altogether. Walsh was in Longford earlier in the season to watch the Longford v Down game. I thought it was sad that a player of such quality was confined to the stand when there were other players on the field who weren't good enough to clean his boots. He is still the best CHF in Down. He is obviously still interested in how the county are doing if he is willing to drive to Longford to watch a league game on a wet and windy Sunday afternoon. Maybe this is lost on the management.
It is unbelievable, given the state of the county panel at the minute, than we are not using the best players available to us. Walsh isn't an isolated case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on April 29, 2009, 10:09:26 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 29, 2009, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on April 28, 2009, 11:05:44 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on April 28, 2009, 10:42:44 PM
pangurban- with 2-3 against kilcoo and playing the football of his life i wouldnt say calling for walsh back is clutching at straws. can take your point about the management but remember thats the management who led us to victory against tyrone and to playing football in august in 2008[
A lot of Down supporters on the board would argue with that statement!

Add relegation to Div 3, subsequent faltering and lucky promotion, and the Wexford debacle.
[/b]

all the managers' fault?  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 29, 2009, 10:11:47 PM
Tonights hurling results

ACHL Division 1
Bredagh    4-7   2-15   Portaferry
Ballela        1-8   2-10  Ballygalget      
Kilclief v Shamrocks OFF
Liatroim v Ballycran OFF

ACHL Division 2
Ballycran    3-10   0-6   Ballygalget          
Ballyvarley    2-13   2-13   Clonduff    
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 29, 2009, 10:20:39 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on April 29, 2009, 10:09:26 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 29, 2009, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on April 28, 2009, 11:05:44 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on April 28, 2009, 10:42:44 PM
pangurban- with 2-3 against kilcoo and playing the football of his life i wouldnt say calling for walsh back is clutching at straws. can take your point about the management but remember thats the management who led us to victory against tyrone and to playing football in august in 2008[
A lot of Down supporters on the board would argue with that statement!

Add relegation to Div 3, subsequent faltering and lucky promotion, and the Wexford debacle.
[/b]

all the managers' fault?  ???
I've always been reluctant to post an opinion on management issues because I believe that these men will never make decisions that will please everybody, but I am a firm believer that every team should play to it's strength's & when our county has a number of quality players out of favour for whatever reason, this can hardly be classed as playing to your strenght's, hopefully for the good of Down football someone can offer the hand of friendship & bury the hatchet very soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 30, 2009, 11:34:29 AM
It seems Shamrocks didn't turn up for the re-match with Kilclief after a rough affair in the Ulster league on Saturday night.  I saw this on Hoganstand. Kilclief are managed by Growler McGrattan from Ballygalget..

Kilclief v Shamrocks
The scene was set on the beautiful shores of Strangford Lough, Knights of Malta and St Johns ambulance were both sitting parked as forecast by Seannie Og with a Coastguard helicopter circleing overhead just in case.

Growler's Gladiators were warming up below where I was standing. I was lucky to get a £3 ticket for the match from a Kilclief connection as both ticketmaster and gaa website had sold out, you-tube were asking crazy money for these much sought after tickets.
The mighty man himself was walking up and down the side of the pitch were the Kilcief Ultras were positioned, standing with a posh words phrase book and on his third tin of Red Bull muttering phases such as "fiddlesticks", "Tally-Ho", "by-Jove" to be used when the battle commenced.

The referee for the match appeared with body amour and a hurling helmet on, the first time ever in this part of sleepy East Down and surely the first time ever in the 125 year history of the GAA. He also seemed to have a flare in his back pocket but this could not be confirmed.

After 20 mins there was no sign of the opposition, the Ultras started to get restless throwing jelly babies onto the pitch, even the cheerleading routines from the local cailíní not enough to keep them and the rest of us quiet.

Kilclief officials made frantic calls to County Board , PSNI, Interpol to see what had happened to their opponents, one call was made to the Tom Tom company to see if their sat nav equipment was working properly but all to no avail.

The referee had enough, removed the helmet and called the match off. Players, officials, cheerleaders, SKY Sports camera crews and the Ultras headed home to watch the second half of the foreign game.

The mighty man himself picked up his empty tins and phrase book and headed to the ferry terminal, disappointed in the knowledge of what could have been a classic didnt happen. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 30, 2009, 11:53:48 AM
Some of those Kilclief supporters have filthy mouths on them  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on April 30, 2009, 01:00:27 PM
lads and lasses to be honest there has been alot of crap wrote on this site but to start comparing club players nowadays to shorty trainer is taking the nonsense level to a completely new level!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 30, 2009, 01:43:57 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on April 30, 2009, 01:00:27 PM
lads and lasses to be honest there has been alot of crap wrote on this site but to start comparing club players nowadays to shorty trainer is taking the nonsense level to a completely new level!!

Could you explain how that's the case ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on April 30, 2009, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 30, 2009, 11:53:48 AM
Some of those Kilclief supporters have filthy mouths on them  :o
Do you seriously believe thay are any worse than any other club in the county/country.
I'd be very friendly with a lot of strangford/kilclief lads and they are all sound.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 30, 2009, 01:52:10 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on April 30, 2009, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 30, 2009, 11:53:48 AM
Some of those Kilclief supporters have filthy mouths on them  :o
Do you seriously believe thay are any worse than any other club in the county/country.
I'd be very friendly with a lot of strangford/kilclief lads and they are all sound.

Every club in Ireland have their mouth pieces, its just that some club's have a higher percentage than others  :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 30, 2009, 02:15:17 PM
QuoteSome of those Kilclief supporters have filthy mouths on them 

Away and f*ck yerself ye c*nt faced wh*rebag and stop f*cking talking sh*te.   ;)

In fairness, we have a couple of lads who shouldn't be let out the back door.

QuoteI'd be very friendly with a lot of strangford/kilclief lads and they are all sound.

Fair play to ye lad, you're obviously not from Saul or Ardglass!!

BTW Lecale, you are far too old to be on the Hoganstand messageboard!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 30, 2009, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 30, 2009, 02:15:17 PM
QuoteSome of those Kilclief supporters have filthy mouths on them 

Away and f*ck yerself ye c*nt faced wh*rebag and stop f*cking talking sh*te.   ;)

In fairness, we have a couple of lads who shouldn't be let out the back door.

QuoteI'd be very friendly with a lot of strangford/kilclief lads and they are all sound.

Fair play to ye lad, you're obviously not from Saul or Ardglass!!

I knew Id get a rise out of ya!!!  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 30, 2009, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 30, 2009, 02:15:17 PM
QuoteI'd be very friendly with a lot of strangford/kilclief lads and they are all sound.

Fair play to ye lad, you're obviously not from Saul or Ardglass!!


No1, are you sure about that? take a look at his name  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 30, 2009, 02:28:34 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 30, 2009, 02:15:17 PM

BTW Lecale, you are far too old to be on the Hoganstand messageboard!

You're not wrong! I don't understand 90% of the posts!  :-\

I just thought that one was funny and worth bringing to a more intelligent audience..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on April 30, 2009, 04:01:09 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 30, 2009, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 30, 2009, 02:15:17 PM
QuoteI'd be very friendly with a lot of strangford/kilclief lads and they are all sound.

Fair play to ye lad, you're obviously not from Saul or Ardglass!!


No1, are you sure about that? take a look at his name  ;)

Decoy, which methinks you've spotted also stpauls  ;)   

btw good luck in keeping out your neighbours from Bredagh tomorrow night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 30, 2009, 04:05:34 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on April 30, 2009, 04:01:09 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 30, 2009, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 30, 2009, 02:15:17 PM
QuoteI'd be very friendly with a lot of strangford/kilclief lads and they are all sound.

Fair play to ye lad, you're obviously not from Saul or Ardglass!!


No1, are you sure about that? take a look at his name  ;)

Decoy, which methinks you've spotted also stpauls  ;)   

btw good luck in keeping out your neighbours from Bredagh tomorrow night

cheers SP, i will try my best!! looking forward to the first derby game of the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 30, 2009, 04:16:02 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 30, 2009, 04:05:34 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on April 30, 2009, 04:01:09 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 30, 2009, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 30, 2009, 02:15:17 PM
QuoteI'd be very friendly with a lot of strangford/kilclief lads and they are all sound.

Fair play to ye lad, you're obviously not from Saul or Ardglass!!


No1, are you sure about that? take a look at his name  ;)



Decoy, which methinks you've spotted also stpauls  ;)   

btw good luck in keeping out your neighbours from Bredagh tomorrow night

cheers SP, i will try my best!! looking forward to the first derby game of the season.

How have the Bredagh/St Pauls derbies gone over the years? Would Bredagh have won more of them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 30, 2009, 04:21:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 30, 2009, 04:16:02 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 30, 2009, 04:05:34 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on April 30, 2009, 04:01:09 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 30, 2009, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 30, 2009, 02:15:17 PM
QuoteI'd be very friendly with a lot of strangford/kilclief lads and they are all sound.

Fair play to ye lad, you're obviously not from Saul or Ardglass!!


No1, are you sure about that? take a look at his name  ;)



Decoy, which methinks you've spotted also stpauls  ;)   

btw good luck in keeping out your neighbours from Bredagh tomorrow night

cheers SP, i will try my best!! looking forward to the first derby game of the season.

How have the Bredagh/St Pauls derbies gone over the years? Would Bredagh have won more of them?

during my time at the club, about 5 seasons now, at has been about 60-40 to bredagh, but home pitch advantage plays a huge part.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 30, 2009, 04:29:06 PM
60-40? You're having a laugh!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on April 30, 2009, 04:40:20 PM
yes mournerambler, i have always raised the issue of players such as walsh and colgan not being in the squad as a poor management decision but i just think it is the easy way out attributing all the woes of the team  to carr and kane
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 30, 2009, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 30, 2009, 04:29:06 PM
60-40? You're having a laugh!

thought someone would correct me, what do you think it should be Lecale, though i don't think it matters to be honest?
past victories count for nothing this season!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 30, 2009, 04:54:51 PM
More like 90-10 I should think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 30, 2009, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 30, 2009, 04:54:51 PM
More like 90-10 I should think.

didn't think it was that much, but sure, hopefully that will change tomorrow night!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 30, 2009, 08:53:33 PM
Division 1 results

Castlewellan beat Longstone by 2
Saval beat the point by 5
Bridge and Bryansford drew
Kilcoo beat clonduff by 6
Liatriom beat Rostrevor
Burren beat Loughinisland


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on April 30, 2009, 09:01:59 PM
An Riocht 2-18 Darragh Cross 2-11
Burren beat Loughinisland by 3
Clann na Banna beat Downpatrick by 7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on April 30, 2009, 09:16:44 PM
DIV3 RESULT

Drumgath 0-13
Ardglass    0-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 30, 2009, 09:38:23 PM
Division 3

Teconnaught 0-09  Dundrum 0-09

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 30, 2009, 09:40:29 PM
Thursday 30th April 2009

Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Castlewellan  0-9 0-7 Longstone  Castlewellan Round 4 
Bryansford  0-11 0-11 Mayobridge  Bryansford Round 4 
Kilcoo  2-12 2-6 Clonduff  Kilcoo Round 4 
Warrenpoint  1-8 1-13 Saval  Warrenpoint Round 4 

Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Clann na Banna  1-11 0-8 Downpatrick  Clann na Banna Round 4 
Annaclone  3-9 2-6 Carryduff  Annaclone Round 4 
Glasdrumman  1-10 1-7 Shamrocks  Glasdrumman Round 4 

Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Drumaness  0-7 1-9 Tullylish  Drumaness Round 4 
Saul  1-10 2-10 Glenn  Saul Round 4 
Drumgath  0-13 0-9 Ardglass  Drumgath Round 4 

Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Aughlisnafin  0-3 3-11 St John Bosco  Aughlisnafin Round 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on April 30, 2009, 09:59:03 PM
St Michaels beat Dromara by three
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 30, 2009, 10:46:56 PM
Thursday 30th April 2009

Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Castlewellan  0-9 0-7 Longstone  Castlewellan Round 4 
Loughinisland  0-11 0-13 Burren  Loughinisland Round 4 
Liatriom  1-10 0-9 Rostrevor  Liatriom Round 4 
Bryansford  0-11 0-11 Mayobridge  Bryansford Round 4 
Kilcoo  2-12 2-6 Clonduff  Kilcoo Round 4 
Warrenpoint  1-8 1-13 Saval  Warrenpoint Round 4 

Down SFL Division 2

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Clann na Banna  1-11 0-8 Downpatrick  Clann na Banna Round 4 
Kilclief  2-10 1-5 Atticall  Kilclief Round 4 
Annaclone  3-9 2-6 Carryduff  Annaclone Round 4 
Ballymartin  0-15 0-10 Ballyholland  Ballymartin Round 4 
An Riocht  2-19 2-11 Darragh Cross  An Riocht Round 4 
Glasdrumman  1-10 1-7 Shamrocks  Glasdrumman Round 4 

Down SFL Division 3

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Drumaness  0-7 1-9 Tullylish  Drumaness Round 4 
Saul  1-10 2-10 Glenn  Saul Round 4 
Aghaderg  1-4 1-12 St Johns  Aghaderg Round 4 
Teconnaught  0-9 0-9 Dundrum  Teconnaught Round 4 
Drumgath  0-13 0-9 Ardglass  Drumgath Round 4 

Down SFL Division 4

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Bright  1-9 0-12 Mitchels  Bright Round 4 
Aughlisnafin  0-3 3-11 St John Bosco  Aughlisnafin Round 4 
St Michaels  3-7 2-8 Dromara  St Michaels Round 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 30, 2009, 11:26:22 PM
4   3   1   0   7    19   Mayobridge
4   3   1   0   7      7   Burren
4   3   0   1   6    14   Rostrevor
4   3   0   1   6      2   Castlewellan
4   2   1   1   5    14   Liatroim
4   1   2   1   4      7   Bryansford
4   2   0   2   4      0   Kilcoo
4   2   0   2   4    -4   Saval
4   1   1   2   3    -5   Longstone
4   1   0   3   2   -15   Clonduff
4   0   0   4   0   -11   Loughinisland
4   0   0   4   0   -28   Warrenpoint
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 30, 2009, 11:36:13 PM
http://www.cadburygaau21.com/heroes-of-the-future/player/?player=50
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 01, 2009, 09:13:00 AM
Bryansford 0-11 Mayobridge 0-11 (Senior Football)

30/04/2009


Mayobridge travelled to Newcastle hoping to make it four wins from four in their league campaign but Bryansford certainly hadn't read the script and in the end Mayobridge were fairly lucky to come away with a point. Joe Ireland opened the scoring in the second minute before Shane O'Hare kicked a fine point to equalize five minutes later. John Quinn converted a free in the tenth minute which Bryansford clawed back a minute later, Michael Walsh got in on the scoring before Ronan Sexton ran forty yards to kick a good point. The Ford scored two frees in the remainder of the half while Michael Walsh scored a Mayobridge free to leave the half time score Bryansford 0-4 Mayobridge 0-5

Mayobridge started the second half aided with a stiff breeze and showed signs they might go on and kill the game off when Ryan Brady and Michael Walsh scored points early in the half. Bryansford refused to lie down and replied with two frees then another Joe Ireland point to equalize the game and a fourteenth minute free to take the lead. Points from Michael Walsh and John Quinn put the Bridge back in front but it was at this stage that the game really started to get exciting. Bryansford were awarded a penalty on the twentieth minute which was well saved by Liam Coulter, Ciaran Brannigan then rattled the Bridge cross bar after a good 'Ford move. Bryansford were well in the ascendency at this stage in the game and having failed to convert their two good goal chances the Newcastle men had to settle for two points scored in quick succession in the twenty first and second minutes to put the home team a point up. Mayobridge had introduced Noel Sexton at this stage and he was able to convert a free to draw the sides level. In the thirty third minute Cathal Magee scored a point and looked to have sealed the victory but the referee deemed there was still some time to be played and it was well into the thirty sixth minute that Bryansford got a free to draw the game which if truth be told was no more than the home side deserved.

Mayobridge Team & Scorers: Liam Coulter, Gavin Barry, Brendan Grant, Seamus Grant, Conleth O'Hare, Micheal Lively, Eoghan Woods, Shane O'Hare (0-1), Ronan Sexton (0-1), Michael Walsh (0-4), Adrian Barry, Ryan Brady (0-1), Cathal Magee (0-1) and John Quinn (0-2)

Subs used: John Caldwell for Conleth O'Hare, Noel Sexton (0-1) for Adrian Barry, Caolan Lynchaoun for Gavin Barry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on May 01, 2009, 09:57:04 AM
Quote from: stpauls on April 30, 2009, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 30, 2009, 04:54:51 PM
More like 90-10 I should think.

didn't think it was that much, but sure, hopefully that will change tomorrow night!  ;D

The last 2 years in division 3 Bredagh won all games (4 games).
The year before Bredagh won 2 and lost 1
The year before that St Paul's won 1 and drew 1.
The year before that St Paul's won 1 and Bredagh won 1.

Bredagh 7 wins (64%)
St Paul's 3 wins (27%)
1 draw. (9%)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 01, 2009, 10:40:41 AM
Quote from: Maiden1 on May 01, 2009, 09:57:04 AM
Quote from: stpauls on April 30, 2009, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 30, 2009, 04:54:51 PM
More like 90-10 I should think.

didn't think it was that much, but sure, hopefully that will change tomorrow night!  ;D

The last 2 years in division 3 Bredagh won all games (4 games).
The year before Bredagh won 2 and lost 1
The year before that St Paul's won 1 and drew 1.
The year before that St Paul's won 1 and Bredagh won 1.

Bredagh 7 wins (64%)
St Paul's 3 wins (27%)
1 draw. (9%)

didn't think was as bad as 90-10!!  ;D
by the way, can any of the Bredagh posters confirm what shape the Cherryvale pitches are in at the minute, and if this rain keeps up, will they be playable this evening?
Title: Two bald men fighting over a comb
Post by: passedit on May 01, 2009, 11:19:25 AM
Quote from: stpauls on May 01, 2009, 10:40:41 AM
Quote from: Maiden1 on May 01, 2009, 09:57:04 AM
Quote from: stpauls on April 30, 2009, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 30, 2009, 04:54:51 PM
More like 90-10 I should think.

didn't think it was that much, but sure, hopefully that will change tomorrow night!  ;D

The last 2 years in division 3 Bredagh won all games (4 games).
The year before Bredagh won 2 and lost 1
The year before that St Paul's won 1 and drew 1.
The year before that St Paul's won 1 and Bredagh won 1.

Bredagh 7 wins (64%)
St Paul's 3 wins (27%)
1 draw. (9%)

didn't think was as bad as 90-10!!  ;D
by the way, can any of the Bredagh posters confirm what shape the Cherryvale pitches are in at the minute, and if this rain keeps up, will they be playable this evening?

The boggier the better, might keep the score down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 01, 2009, 11:21:59 AM
they will be fine guys, Cherryvale is well drained, may be a bit boggy round the nets but adds to the excitement
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 01, 2009, 11:22:59 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 01, 2009, 11:21:59 AM
they will be fine guys, Cherryvale is well drained, may be a bit boggy round the nets but adds to the excitement

oh goodie  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 01, 2009, 11:29:12 AM
League table for Down SFL Division 1

Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Mayobridge  4 3 0 1 56 37 19 7
Burren  4 3 0 1 43 36 7 7
Rostrevor  4 3 1 0 56 42 14 6
Castlewellan  4 3 1 0 44 42 2 6
Liatriom  4 2 1 1 49 35 14 5
Bryansford  4 1 1 2 52 45 7 4
Kilcoo  4 2 2 0 55 55 0 4
Saval  4 2 2 0 46 50 -4 4
Longstone  4 1 2 1 42 47 -5 3
Clonduff  4 1 3 0 46 61 -15 2
Loughinisland  4 0 4 0 38 49 -11 0
Warrenpoint  4 0 4 0 35 63 -28 0

The Bridge and Burren have both made unbeaten starts and Rostrevor have looked impressive as well. Liatroim have suprised me with their half decent start.
As expected Warrenpoint prop up the table and Id expect them to be there for the rest of the year. Clonduff and Loughinisland have also made woeful starts.


League table for Down SFL Division 2

Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
An Riocht  4 4 0 0 61 42 19 8
Atticall  4 3 1 0 51 46 5 6
Clann na Banna  4 2 1 1 41 36 5 5
Downpatrick  4 2 2 0 49 42 7 4
Kilclief  4 1 1 2 44 38 6 4
Ballymartin  4 2 2 0 46 45 1 4
Annaclone  4 2 2 0 49 55 -6 4
Glasdrumman  4 2 2 0 50 57 -7 4
Ballyholland  4 1 2 1 50 53 -3 3
Shamrocks  4 1 3 0 37 43 -6 2
Carryduff  4 1 3 0 44 51 -7 2
Darragh Cross  4 0 2 2 42 56 -14 2

An Riocht look the team to beat in this Division with a 100% start. Surprisingly enough Atticall have made a good start as have Banbridge. Kilclief also looked to have stepped it up a gear this season.
Ballyholland seem to be suffering from early season jitters but you would expect them to get their act together soon. Shamrocks, Carryduff and Darragh Cross have all looked indifferent.

League table for Down SFL Division 3

Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Tullylish  4 4 0 0 53 39 14 8
Glenn  4 3 1 0 58 40 18 6
Saul  4 2 1 1 55 50 5 5
St Johns  4 2 1 1 49 44 5 5
Dundrum  4 1 1 2 46 46 0 4
Ardglass  4 2 2 0 58 59 -1 4
Teconnaught  4 1 1 2 41 45 -4 4
Drumgath  4 2 2 0 45 50 -5 4
Bredagh  3 1 2 0 50 48 2 2
Drumaness  4 1 3 0 48 53 -5 2
St Pauls  3 1 2 0 34 39 -5 2
Aghaderg  4 0 4 0 37 61 -24 0

Tullylish have made their customary storming start to the League and youd expect them to be on top for the rest of the season. Glenn seem to have upped the ante this year and look strong in second place. Saul and St Johns looked to have also made reasonable starts.
Aghaderg look set for a long tough season at the basement and St Pauls and Drumaness will have to up their game big time to climb up the ladder. Id expect Bredagh to make big strides over the next month.

League table for Down SFL Division 4

Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
St John Bosco  3 3 0 0 48 17 31 6
St Michaels  3 3 0 0 50 33 17 6
Bright  4 2 1 1 51 43 8 5
Mitchels  3 1 1 1 36 32 4 3
Dromara  4 1 3 0 44 59 -15 2
Aughlisnafin  4 1 3 0 34 61 -27 2
Ballykinlar  3 0 3 0 20 38 -18 0

Bosco look set to walk away with this League.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 01, 2009, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 01, 2009, 09:13:00 AM
Bryansford 0-11 Mayobridge 0-11 (Senior Football)

30/04/2009


Mayobridge travelled to Newcastle hoping to make it four wins from four in their league campaign but Bryansford certainly hadn't read the script and in the end Mayobridge were fairly lucky to come away with a point. Joe Ireland opened the scoring in the second minute before Shane O'Hare kicked a fine point to equalize five minutes later. John Quinn converted a free in the tenth minute which Bryansford clawed back a minute later, Michael Walsh got in on the scoring before Ronan Sexton ran forty yards to kick a good point. The Ford scored two frees in the remainder of the half while Michael Walsh scored a Mayobridge free to leave the half time score Bryansford 0-4 Mayobridge 0-5

Mayobridge started the second half aided with a stiff breeze and showed signs they might go on and kill the game off when Ryan Brady and Michael Walsh scored points early in the half. Bryansford refused to lie down and replied with two frees then another Joe Ireland point to equalize the game and a fourteenth minute free to take the lead. Points from Michael Walsh and John Quinn put the Bridge back in front but it was at this stage that the game really started to get exciting. Bryansford were awarded a penalty on the twentieth minute which was well saved by Liam Coulter, Ciaran Brannigan then rattled the Bridge cross bar after a good 'Ford move. Bryansford were well in the ascendency at this stage in the game and having failed to convert their two good goal chances the Newcastle men had to settle for two points scored in quick succession in the twenty first and second minutes to put the home team a point up. Mayobridge had introduced Noel Sexton at this stage and he was able to convert a free to draw the sides level. In the thirty third minute Cathal Magee scored a point and looked to have sealed the victory but the referee deemed there was still some time to be played and it was well into the thirty sixth minute that Bryansford got a free to draw the game which if truth be told was no more than the home side deserved.

Mayobridge Team & Scorers: Liam Coulter, Gavin Barry, Brendan Grant, Seamus Grant, Conleth O'Hare, Micheal Lively, Eoghan Woods, Shane O'Hare (0-1), Ronan Sexton (0-1), Michael Walsh (0-4), Adrian Barry, Ryan Brady (0-1), Cathal Magee (0-1) and John Quinn (0-2)

Subs used: John Caldwell for Conleth O'Hare, Noel Sexton (0-1) for Adrian Barry, Caolan Lynchaoun for Gavin Barry

Good assessment!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on May 01, 2009, 02:42:07 PM
An Riocht sitting pretty at the top of Division 2  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 01, 2009, 03:03:27 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on May 01, 2009, 02:42:07 PM
An Riocht sitting pretty at the top of Division 2  ;D
fair play ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 01, 2009, 03:33:34 PM
Spirit - Who was your number 12 last night?  He had a great game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on May 01, 2009, 03:41:19 PM
ooh ahh say pete mcgrath,
say ooh ah sports tracka!!
:D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on May 01, 2009, 03:44:57 PM
Mallon, that was Chris Brannigan! Did u think he played well? He can certainly take a free!
What did u think of the performance?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 01, 2009, 04:05:09 PM
Yeah thought 12 had a good game.  The Bridge performance was poor all through the game too many poor options were taken and not enough breaks won.  Some players didn't look that fit, but the pitch was fierce heavy going with all the rain there was in the last while.  I wouldn't be overly worried though, nothing is won this time of year.  If we had put in that performance in August then we'd have reason to worry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on May 01, 2009, 05:21:53 PM
somebody told me today that jack lynch played for Drumgath and has left the down panel can anyone verify this
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 01, 2009, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: tirnaog on May 01, 2009, 05:21:53 PM
somebody told me today that jack lynch played for Drumgath and has left the down panel can anyone verify this

He plays for Drumgath alright. Heard murmurings that he had left the Down panel but I heard nothing concrete.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on May 01, 2009, 05:38:22 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 01, 2009, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: tirnaog on May 01, 2009, 05:21:53 PM
somebody told me today that jack lynch played for Drumgath and has left the down panel can anyone verify this

He plays for Drumgath alright. Heard murmurings that he had left the Down panel but I heard nothing concrete.
what do you think of Lynch on the Down Panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 01, 2009, 06:07:31 PM
Quote from: tirnaog on May 01, 2009, 05:38:22 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 01, 2009, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: tirnaog on May 01, 2009, 05:21:53 PM
somebody told me today that jack lynch played for Drumgath and has left the down panel can anyone verify this

He plays for Drumgath alright. Heard murmurings that he had left the Down panel but I heard nothing concrete.
what do you think of Lynch on the Down Panel

Good squad player. Offers an alternative around midfield when we come up against a physical oppositiion who like to mix it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 01, 2009, 06:09:59 PM
DownFantastic,
Just to say a big well done on getting the league tables onto the board and so early in the season too. 
The thread badly needed this and will benefit greatly from it esp if you can keep on doing it.  Hope you can.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on May 01, 2009, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 01, 2009, 06:07:31 PM
Quote from: tirnaog on May 01, 2009, 05:38:22 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 01, 2009, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: tirnaog on May 01, 2009, 05:21:53 PM
somebody told me today that jack lynch played for Drumgath and has left the down panel can anyone verify this

He plays for Drumgath alright. Heard murmurings that he had left the Down panel but I heard nothing concrete.
what do you think of Lynch on the Down Panel

Good squad player. Offers an alternative around midfield when we come up against a physical oppositiion who like to mix it.
he has plenty of heart and commitment and he can mix it with the best,and now there is a lot of competition for the two midfield positions i wonder what will messers carr and kane do
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 01, 2009, 09:07:34 PM
Bredagh beat St pauls by 7 points I think, away to the pub
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 02, 2009, 12:52:45 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 01, 2009, 09:07:34 PM
Bredagh beat St pauls by 7 points I think, away to the pub

just back fom the Parador, we deserved the win as we played the better football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 02, 2009, 01:21:28 AM
Been watching Bredagh v St Pauls games over the past 4 years and they are always entertaining stuff, the way local derbys should be. 
Tonight's game was very fast & hard but still sporting, both sides have obviously developed great respect for each other over recent years. 
Bredagh have always had the edge but I felt the gap was being narrowed each year and, genuinely, thought 2009 was the year that they would beat us at our place. 
However, based on tonight's game St Pauls have gone backwards.   Previously these results were always doubt until the very end but tonight Bredagh won with a lot to spare.   Maybe St Pauls just had a bad day at the office?   
By way of constructive comment, I suggest Pauls need to entrust their youth a chance at this level.  Wishing Pauls, with whom I have a fondness, the best for the season.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on May 02, 2009, 12:38:17 PM
Brodge' to walk away with Division 1
An Riocht will prob walk away with Division 2 - 4 outa 4 after playing some decent and determined sides  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on May 03, 2009, 06:07:27 PM
Was at the East Down 7s this morning in Bright.Great venue for the 7s to be held,plenty of car parking spaces,good changing facilities and two pitches one decent and the other one of the best in the county. When I lefted the town were plyn d'cross in one semi with ardglass an b'ford playning in the other.More than likely a town vs ford final, both were in control of their games.Only two teams didnt field due to deaths in their parish.
That Ardglass minor team have improved big time from the team they were at U16 level.They beat l'island and c'duff who are both a league above them.B'ford as usual have a very strong team, id say they would have had too much for the town in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on May 03, 2009, 06:18:07 PM
Any body hear how the s down sevens went and where were they played this year ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 03, 2009, 07:49:44 PM
Quote from: DaUmpire on May 03, 2009, 06:07:27 PM
Was at the East Down 7s this morning in Bright.Great venue for the 7s to be held,plenty of car parking spaces,good changing facilities and two pitches one decent and the other one of the best in the county. When I lefted the town were plyn d'cross in one semi with ardglass an b'ford playning in the other.More than likely a town vs ford final, both were in control of their games.Only two teams didnt field due to deaths in their parish.
That Ardglass minor team have improved big time from the team they were at U16 level.They beat l'island and c'duff who are both a league above them.B'ford as usual have a very strong team, id say they would have had too much for the town in the final.

I have the utmost repect for anybody who takes up a position within any voluntary association but I have to roundly critiscise the East Down Board for the arrangements for the Minor Feis 7s which were ran today.

The games were played off on Bright's two pitches. However, there were no portable goals available and the matches had to be played on full size pitches. Now, Bright's training pitch isnt exactly full size but it is still too big for 7's. However, their main field would have similar enough dimensions to Croke Park. Most of the games were played on it and it was an absolute joke to see a 7s game on a full size pitch.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on May 03, 2009, 08:18:38 PM

I have the utmost repect for anybody who takes up a position within any voluntary association but I have to roundly critiscise the East Down Board for the arrangements for the Minor Feis 7s which were ran today.
The games were played off on Bright's two pitches. However, there were no portable goals available and the matches had to be played on full size pitches. Now, Bright's training pitch isnt exactly full size but it is still too big for 7's. However, their main field would have similar enough dimensions to Croke Park. Most of the games were played on it and it was an absolute joke to see a 7s game on a full size pitch.
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Todays 7s was a big improvement on last years which was held in kilclief. last year there was no were to park, teams were getting changed beside cars and there was a second pitch set up behind the changing rooms on a hill.Kilclief used a full side pitch last year, Would agree that a full side pitch should be split in half or 3 quarters
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on May 03, 2009, 09:26:46 PM
Congratulations to the Co. Down man, John McKinney, who won the Ulster Gaa Volunteer of the Year award in the Small Club category.

Anthony McMullen, of St Mary's, Rasharkin, picked up his award in the Large Club category,
Martin Mullan, of John Mitchell's GAC, Glenullin, won the Medium Club award,
while John McKenny, from Dromara GAC, landed the Small Club award.


http://www.irishnews.com/articles/597/5776/2009/5/2/616574_380163496477Clubvolun.html (http://www.irishnews.com/articles/597/5776/2009/5/2/616574_380163496477Clubvolun.html)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 04, 2009, 11:02:29 AM
we usually criticise refs on here, so heres something different.

Our 3rds were due to play Bright last night at 7 and no ref appeared, long story, so a few calls were made and at very short notice one appeared and was clapped onto the field by the players and some of the crowd. Fair play to him for giving up his Sunday evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on May 04, 2009, 04:17:01 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 04, 2009, 11:02:29 AM
we usually criticise refs on here, so heres something different.

Our 3rds were due to play Bright last night at 7 and no ref appeared, long story, so a few calls were made and at very short notice one appeared and was clapped onto the field by the players and some of the crowd. Fair play to him for giving up his Sunday evening.
Fair play to who ever it was that turned up to do it at such short notice,how did he perform ,I have been to a club game every week in div 3 and I have to say that the refing is getting worse must be frustrating for the players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 04, 2009, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: tirnaog on May 04, 2009, 04:17:01 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 04, 2009, 11:02:29 AM
we usually criticise refs on here, so heres something different.

Our 3rds were due to play Bright last night at 7 and no ref appeared, long story, so a few calls were made and at very short notice one appeared and was clapped onto the field by the players and some of the crowd. Fair play to him for giving up his Sunday evening.
Fair play to who ever it was that turned up to do it at such short notice,how did he perform ,I have been to a club game every week in div 3 and I have to say that the refing is getting worse must be frustrating for the players

No problems at all, cant say that about all the refs all the time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on May 04, 2009, 05:08:30 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 04, 2009, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: tirnaog on May 04, 2009, 04:17:01 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 04, 2009, 11:02:29 AM
we usually criticise refs on here, so heres something different.

Our 3rds were due to play Bright last night at 7 and no ref appeared, long story, so a few calls were made and at very short notice one appeared and was clapped onto the field by the players and some of the crowd. Fair play to him for giving up his Sunday evening.
Fair play to who ever it was that turned up to do it at such short notice,how did he perform ,I have been to a club game every week in div 3 and I have to say that the refing is getting worse must be frustrating for the players

No problems at all, cant say that about all the refs all the time
dont get me wrong there are some good refs but they all should all be brought up to a standard some refs just take the piss the way they walk around after a game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 04, 2009, 05:47:04 PM
Anybody have this weeks East Down fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on May 04, 2009, 10:03:10 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 04, 2009, 05:47:04 PM
Anybody have this weeks East Down fixtures?


Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 16 League     
Date  Wednesday  6th May Time 7.30pm
U-16 Football League Section "A" 2009
     Round Three              
     Bredagh    v    Kilcoo    P Brownlee
     Carryduff    v    Saul    J McMullan
     Loughinisland    v    Cill Darach    M Brady
     Downpatrick    v    St. Paul's    L Morgan
     St. John's    v    Bryansford    P McCartan
     St. Mary's    v    Castlewellan    D Laverty

U-16 Football League Section "B" 2009    
     Round Three              
     Drumaness    v    Bredagh    G Tumelty
     St Joseph's    v    Ardglass    G Brannigan
                    
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 14 League    
U-14 Football League Section "A" 2009    
Date  Thursday  7th  May  Time 7.30pm    

     Round. Four              
     Bryansford    v    Saul    C McAlinden
     Castlewellan    v    Kilcoo    G Brannigan
     Carryduff    v    Bredagh    K O' Brien
                    
U-14 Football League Section "B1" 2009    
     Round Four              
     Carryduff    v    St Joseph's    F Holland
     Bredagh    v    Darragh Cross    M Davey
                    
U-14 Football League Section "B2" 2009    
     Loughinisland    v    Teconnaught    A Sharvin
     Drumaness    v    St. Paul's    M McNulty
     Dromara    v    St. John's    G Tumelty

Date  Saturday   9th  May  Time 9.30am-
U-14 Development Training- Venue St. Patrick's Park Newcastle .
                    
La na gClub - Date  Sunday  10th  May 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2009, 09:20:48 AM
Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Clonduff  Bryansford  Clonduff 07/05/2009 19:15 Jim Burns Round 5 
Rostrevor  Loughinisland  Loughinisland 07/05/2009 19:15 Barry Andrews Round 5 
Mayobridge  Liatriom  Mayobridge 08/05/2009 19:15 Brendan Rice Round 5 
Saval  Kilcoo  Saval 08/05/2009 19:15 Leo Smith Round 5 
Longstone  Warrenpoint  Longstone 08/05/2009 19:15 Gerard Brannigan St Johns Round 5 
Burren  Castlewellan  Castlewellan 08/05/2009 19:15 Gabriel Tummelty Round 5 

Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Darragh Cross  Ballymartin  Darragh Cross 07/05/2009 19:15 Eamon Mc Elroy Round 5 
Ballyholland  Annaclone  Ballyholland 08/05/2009 19:15 Liam Morgan Round 5 
Atticall  Clann na Banna  Atticall 08/05/2009 19:15 Shane Lowey Round 5 
Carryduff  Kilclief  Carryduff 08/05/2009 19:15 Con Reynolds Round 5 
Shamrocks  An Riocht  Shamrocks 11/05/2009 19:15 Ned Morgan Round 5 

Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
St Johns  Saul  St Johns 08/05/2009 19:15 Colm Broderick Round 5 
Dundrum  Aghaderg  Dundrum 08/05/2009 19:15 Martin Rawlinson Round 5 
Ardglass  Teconnaught  Ardglass 08/05/2009 19:15 Peter Brannigan Round 5 
Drumaness  Drumgath  Drumaness 08/05/2009 19:15 Peter O Reilly Round 5 
St Pauls  Tullylish  St Pauls 08/05/2009 19:15 Paul Brownlee Round 5 
Glenn  Bredagh  Glenn 08/05/2009 19:15 Declan Ryan Round 5 

Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Mitchels  Aughlisnafin  Mitchels 06/05/2009 19:15 Paul Preece Round 5 
Dromara  Ballykinlar  Dromara 08/05/2009 19:15 Charles McAlinden Round 5 
St John Bosco  St Michaels  St John Bosco 08/05/2009 19:15 Michael Devlin Round 5 

ACHL Division 1  
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Warrenpoint  Ballygalget  Warrenpoint 06/05/2009 19:15 TBC   
Ballycran  Ballela  Ballycran 06/05/2009 19:15 TBC   
Bredagh  Kilclief  Bredagh 06/05/2009 19:15 TBC   
Shamrocks  Portaferry  Shamrocks 06/05/2009 19:15 TBC 

ACHL Division 2
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Castlewellan  Ballycran  Castlewellan 06/05/2009 19:15 TBC   
Portaferry  Warrenpoint  Portaferry 06/05/2009 19:15 TBC   
Clonduff  Carryduff  Clonduff 06/05/2009 19:15 TBC   
Ballygalget  Ballyvarley  Ballygalget 06/05/2009 19:15 TBC
 
ACPRL Division 1
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Kilcoo  An Riocht  Kilcoo 11/05/2009 19:15 TBC Round 7 
Burren  Castlewellan  Castlewellan 11/05/2009 19:15 TBC Round 7 
Ballymartin  Rostrevor  Ballymartin 11/05/2009 19:15 TBC Round 7 
Clonduff  Bryansford  Clonduff 11/05/2009 19:15 TBC Round 7 
Mayobridge  Liatriom  Mayobridge 11/05/2009 19:15 TBC Round 7 

ACPRL Division 2
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Longstone  Bredagh  Longstone 11/05/2009 19:15 TBC Round 7 
Ballyholland  Saval  Ballyholland 11/05/2009 19:15 TBC Round 7 
Tullylish  Carryduff  Tullylish 11/05/2009 19:15 TBC Round 7 
Loughinisland  Warrenpoint  Loughinisland 11/05/2009 19:15 TBC Round 7 
Downpatrick  Annaclone  Downpatrick 11/05/2009 19:15 TBC Round 7 




 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 05, 2009, 02:30:26 PM
anyone know whether the senior fixtures next week (14th/15th) are likely to be on friday, or changed to thursday again?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 05, 2009, 02:47:12 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 05, 2009, 02:30:26 PM
anyone know whether the senior fixtures next week (14th/15th) are likely to be on friday, or changed to thursday again?

Think they are scheduled for Friday the 15th.

Are this Friday's games starred? Id presume they are but just checking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on May 05, 2009, 03:00:13 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 05, 2009, 02:47:12 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 05, 2009, 02:30:26 PM
anyone know whether the senior fixtures next week (14th/15th) are likely to be on friday, or changed to thursday again?

Think they are scheduled for Friday the 15th.

Are this Friday's games starred? Id presume they are but just checking.

yeah, both this friday and friday 15th as well of course.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 05, 2009, 05:49:06 PM
 Plenty of talk of yesterday's heartbreak on the main page.The worst kick in the proverbials I've witnessed in a long time.
It would have been a great boost leading up to Fermanagh but it may make us all the more determined.Any of our local posters
make the journey?I drew the short straw and ended up  driving 4 appachees that had today off work .We got to Newry at 11.30pm.
I just left them there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 05, 2009, 09:48:29 PM
MFC 1st Round

St Josephs 0-10  Bryansford 4-12

Any other results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on May 05, 2009, 09:50:46 PM
Tuesday 05th May 2009
Minor Football Championship
An Riocht  2-8 2-6 Rostrevor 
St Johns  0-3 4-18 Kilcoo 
Cill Breachtain  1-2 2-17 Shamrocks 
Saval  0-9 0-10 Warrenpoint 
Cill Lioach  0-5 4-10 Noamh Mhuire 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on May 05, 2009, 10:02:57 PM
Whos Cill Lioach?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2009, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: DaUmpire on May 05, 2009, 10:02:57 PM
Whos Cill Lioach?

is it Killyleagh? thats where it was played, or is it an amalgamated team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 05, 2009, 10:08:54 PM
Down "POWERADE" Minor Football Championship Result's

   
1    An Riocht    2-08    V    Caislean Ruairi    2-06
2    An Cloch Fhada    0-03    V    Boireann    2-11
3    Noamh Colmans    2-03    V    Droichead Mhaigh Eo    4-13
4    Ard Ghlais    2-10    V    Caislean an Mhuillin    1-04
5    Clan na Banna    OFF    V    Loch an Oilean    OFF
6    Droim Gath    1-07    V    Cluain Diamh    3-09
7    Noamh Eoin    0-03    V    Cill Chua    4-18
8    Cill Breachtain    1-02    V    Seomrogai an Iuir    2-17
9    Noamh Pol     1-02    V    Baile Cholmain    6-15
10    Cill Dara    0-05    V    Noamh Mhuire    4-10
11    Noamh Seosamh    0-09    V    Ath Bhriain    4-13
12    Baile Ui Mhairtin    0-09    V    Bredach    2-09
13    Noamh Eoin Bosco    1-11    V    RGU Dun Padriag    1-04
14    Eanach Cluana    0-04    V     Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh    7-12
15    Sabhall    0-09    V    Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua    0-10
16    Droim an Easa    2-02    V    An Ghleann    6-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on May 05, 2009, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: DaUmpire on May 05, 2009, 10:02:57 PM
Whos Cill Lioach?
Thats the D'Cross/killyleagh amalgamated team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 05, 2009, 10:27:38 PM
rostrevors grip on the minor championships seems to be slipping badly!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 05, 2009, 10:29:33 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 05, 2009, 10:27:38 PM
rostrevors grip on the minor championships seems to be slipping badly!!

I'd say they've let go of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 05, 2009, 10:31:34 PM
Good win for Bredagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Onlooker on May 05, 2009, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 05, 2009, 05:49:06 PM
Plenty of talk of yesterday's heartbreak on the main page.The worst kick in the proverbials I've witnessed in a long time.
It would have been a great boost leading up to Fermanagh but it may make us all the more determined.Any of our local posters
make the journey?I drew the short straw and ended up  driving 4 appachees that had today off work .We got to Newry at 11.30pm.
I just left them there.

Watching the Under 21 Final yesterday, I could not believe that Cork got another injury time goal when 2 points behind just as they did against Tipperary in the Munster Final.  Talk about a re-run of a horror movie.  I know how Down people feel as I felt the same watching the Munster Final.  Cork must have used up all their luck for about 10 years in winning this Under 21 title, as Dublin threw away the semi final as well. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 06, 2009, 10:28:10 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 05, 2009, 10:29:33 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 05, 2009, 10:27:38 PM
rostrevors grip on the minor championships seems to be slipping badly!!

I'd say they've let go of it.

same thing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on May 06, 2009, 10:50:54 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 06, 2009, 10:28:10 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 05, 2009, 10:29:33 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 05, 2009, 10:27:38 PM
rostrevors grip on the minor championships seems to be slipping badly!!

I'd say they've let go of it.

same thing

They gave it a good run, what was it, 3 or 4 years in a row? surely that is some kind of record? to have a conveyor belt of talent like that year after year, loosing players becasue they are overage makes it more remarkable than winning 3 or 4 senior championships in a row.it had to end sometime though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 06, 2009, 01:04:46 PM
Has the draw for the next round of the minor championship been made yet?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 07, 2009, 11:23:35 AM
Page 7 of the Irish News today there is an article on the dedication and blessing of our pitch in the memory of the late Jack Kielty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 07, 2009, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 06, 2009, 01:04:46 PM
Has the draw for the next round of the minor championship been made yet?????

the draw is to be held next Wednesday with the games on the first Tuesday in June
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 07, 2009, 01:40:41 PM
Does anybody know what happened during the Ballela/Shamrocks match last night?

Whitehair?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on May 07, 2009, 01:59:09 PM
Hi there folks,

With the championship just around the corner, from now on in you will see various fantasy football competitions springing up, myself and a few other memebrs of our club have taken it upon ourselves to run a competition of our own as a fundraiser. Hopefully we will get alot of interest in it, weve kept the entry fee reasonably low, its a pretty straight forward competition, all the rules, scoring chart, and player lists ect can be found on our website, so why not have a nosey at it. I hope when you are deciding upon which of the competitions available to enter you will give us a thought, we may not have a flashy website with all the graphics, but in entering this competition, you will be supporting one of youre very own clubs. If you have any queries about the competition you can email me at clannnabanna@hotmail.co.uk

To view the competition just log on to clannnabanna.down.gaa.ie and click on the competitions link


PM me any queries
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on May 07, 2009, 03:32:23 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 07, 2009, 01:40:41 PM
Does anybody know what happened during the Ballela/Shamrocks match last night?

Whitehair?

::) I'll PM you, don't want to be sayin too much at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 07, 2009, 08:51:41 PM
Thur night results

Clonduff 1-6 Bryansford 1-8

Loughinisland where defeated by Rostrevor by 6 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 08, 2009, 12:21:28 PM
L'island 0-6 Rostrevor 0-12

poor enough match, rostrevor never really looked like losing it after the first 5 mins against quite an under strength island team. conditions were awful especially for a period in the first half, but credit to both teams for battling it out in such bad weather!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 08, 2009, 08:33:59 PM
Glenn 1-5 Bredagh 1-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 08, 2009, 08:51:07 PM
here we go,

Friday 08th May 2009
Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Mayobridge  0-9 0-8 Liatriom  Mayobridge Round 5 
Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Dundrum  3-15 1-7 Aghaderg  Dundrum Round 5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 08, 2009, 09:00:47 PM
Saval 1-6 Kilcoo 1-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 08, 2009, 09:32:08 PM
Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Mayobridge  0-9 0-8 Liatriom  Mayobridge Round 5 
Burren  0-7 1-13 Castlewellan  Castlewellan Round 5 

Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Dundrum  3-15 1-7 Aghaderg  Dundrum Round 5 
Drumaness  0-10 2-11 Drumgath  Drumaness Round 5 
St Pauls  2-6 0-16 Tullylish  St Pauls Round 5 

Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
St John Bosco  1-5 0-3 St Michaels  St John Bosco Round 5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 08, 2009, 09:33:29 PM
ardglass won by 9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 08, 2009, 09:51:36 PM
 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Mayobridge  0-9 0-8 Liatriom  Mayobridge Round 5 
Saval  1-6 1-14 Kilcoo  Saval Round 5 
Longstone  4-14 1-10 Warrenpoint  Longstone Round 5 
Burren  0-7 1-13 Castlewellan  Castlewellan Round 5 
Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ballyholland  0-9 0-6 Annaclone  Ballyholland Round 5 
Atticall  1-8 1-6 Clann na Banna  Atticall Round 5 
Carryduff  0-12 0-6 Kilclief  Carryduff Round 5 
Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
St Johns  1-11 1-7 Saul  St Johns Round 5 
Dundrum  3-15 1-7 Aghaderg  Dundrum Round 5 
Ardglass  1-10 0-4 Teconnaught  Ardglass Round 5 
Drumaness  0-10 2-11 Drumgath  Drumaness Round 5 
St Pauls  2-6 0-16 Tullylish  St Pauls Round 5 
Glenn  1-5 1-8 Bredagh  Glenn Round 5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 08, 2009, 09:55:24 PM
Division 3 Table

Tullylish  5 5 0 0 69 51 18 10
----------------------------------------
St Johns  5 3 1 1 63 54 9 7
Glenn  5 3 2 0 66 51 15 6
---------------------------------------
Dundrum  5 2 1 2 70 56 14 6
Bredagh  5 3 2 0 75 62 13 6
Ardglass  5 3 2 0 71 63 8 6
Drumgath  5 3 2 0 62 60 2 6
Saul  5 2 2 1 65 64 1 5
------------------------------------------------
Teconnaught  5 1 2 2 45 58 -13 4
Drumaness  5 1 4 0 58 70 -12 2
St Pauls  5 1 4 0 52 69 -17 2
-------------------------------------------
Aghaderg  5 0 5 0 47 85 -38 0

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 08, 2009, 10:11:28 PM
Glasdrumman - Celebrity Bainisteoir Champs. Congrats,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on May 08, 2009, 11:55:03 PM
Glasdrumman - All-Ireland champions.. ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 09, 2009, 10:57:41 AM
Conditions were terrible at Bosco St Micks match apparently, thats why the lack of scores.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rois on May 09, 2009, 04:04:01 PM
Down ladies ahead in Div 2 final at half time, 2-5 to 0-7.
Live on TG4.

Edit: great win by the Mourne ladies by 7 points. Fantastic second half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on May 09, 2009, 05:24:47 PM
Just a note to congratulate Down Ladies on winning the Division 2 title.  Ref did them no favours.  Penalty decision was scandalous!!
Well done to Eliza, Michaela, Sean and Paul. You have done us proud!! ;D

Ps Congrats to Glassdrumman also.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on May 10, 2009, 01:28:01 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 08, 2009, 09:55:24 PM
Division 3 Table

Tullylish  5 5 0 0 69 51 18 10
----------------------------------------
St Johns  5 3 1 1 63 54 9 7
Glenn  5 3 2 0 66 51 15 6
---------------------------------------
Dundrum  5 2 1 2 70 56 14 6
Bredagh  5 3 2 0 75 62 13 6
Ardglass  5 3 2 0 71 63 8 6
Drumgath  5 3 2 0 62 60 2 6
Saul  5 2 2 1 65 64 1 5
------------------------------------------------
Teconnaught  5 1 2 2 45 58 -13 4
Drumaness  5 1 4 0 58 70 -12 2
St Pauls  5 1 4 0 52 69 -17 2
-------------------------------------------
Aghaderg  5 0 5 0 47 85 -38 0



what is happening in drumaness? heard from a player over the weekend that spectators had to be asked to go get gear to play before the match...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 10, 2009, 02:59:12 PM
During one Drumaness league game last season, they were awarded a 45 at a time when they were behind but still well in contention. As a Drumaness forward placed the ball, one of his team-mates, a defender, who was having a good match, ran up the field and shouted that the forward was bound to miss and someone else should take the kick. The pair exchanged words, to put it mildly, before the forward put the 45 straight over the bar. A further discussion followed, with the defender still insisting that he had been right. Play continued, and a short time later the defender got a red card before his team lost the game. Drumaness always have some decent players, but they have never been an easy club to manage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mickey Linden on May 11, 2009, 11:10:47 AM
Whats the story with Benny? Will he be fit for Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on May 11, 2009, 12:03:39 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on May 11, 2009, 11:10:47 AM
Whats the story with Benny? Will he be fit for Sunday?

no def not feature at all!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 11, 2009, 03:23:39 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on May 11, 2009, 12:03:39 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on May 11, 2009, 11:10:47 AM
Whats the story with Benny? Will he be fit for Sunday?

no def not feature at all!!

I am still optimistic of getting a win even without Benny!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on May 11, 2009, 04:00:57 PM
benny will feature on sunday, carr is doing what is does best. talking S~~~!

the lads will beat fermanagh, with or without benny!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on May 11, 2009, 10:14:35 PM
Any premier reserve results tonight folks? Down website bit slow tonight for some reason!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 11, 2009, 10:46:53 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on May 11, 2009, 10:14:35 PM
Any premier reserve results tonight folks? Down website bit slow tonight for some reason!

   > Mon 11th May> ACFL Div 2>
Shamrocks 1 06 An Riocht 1 10>
ACPRL Div 1> Kilcoo 0 13 An Riocht 0 07>
Burren 2 25 Castlewellan 0 04>
Ballymartin 0 08 Rostrevor 1 11>
Clonduff 0 09 Bryansford 1 07>
Mayobridge 3 13 Liatroim 3 06>
ACPRL Div 2>
Longstone 0 10 Bredagh 2 12>
Ballyholland 0 11 Saval 2 09>
Tullylish 0 12 Carryduff 0 11>
Loughinisland 2 11 Warrenpoint 0 13>
Downpatrick 3 11 Annaclone 2 03>
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 11, 2009, 11:14:55 PM
Hurling championship draws were made tonight.

Intermediate Championship

Ballela v Shamrocks

Kilclief v Liatroim
Bredagh v Ballela or Shamrocks

Junior Championship

Clonduff v Ballyvarley

Castlewellan v Clonduff or Ballyvarley
Warrenpoint v Carryduff

Joe McCrickard Cup

Kilclief v Shamrocks
Ballygalget II v Portaferry II
Ballela V Ballycran II
Liatroim v Bredagh

Betsy Gray Cup

Carryduff v Ballyvarley

Bredagh II v Ballygalget III
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Warrenpoint v Carryduff or Ballyvarley
Ballycran III v Portaferry III
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downman on May 12, 2009, 05:52:15 AM
as RTE dont broadcast on the internet outside of the UK. does anyone know how how i can get watching the game on sunday online?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 12, 2009, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 11, 2009, 11:14:55 PM
Hurling championship draws were made tonight.

Intermediate Championship

Ballela v Shamrocks

Kilclief v Liatroim
Bredagh v Ballela or Shamrocks

Junior Championship

Clonduff v Ballyvarley

Castlewellan v Clonduff or Ballyvarley
Warrenpoint v Carryduff

Joe McCrickard Cup

Kilclief v Shamrocks
Ballygalget II v Portaferry II
Ballela V Ballycran II
Liatroim v Bredagh

Betsy Gray Cup

Carryduff v Ballyvarley

Bredagh II v Ballygalget III
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Warrenpoint v Carryduff or Ballyvarley
Ballycran III v Portaferry III



What's the entry criteria for the Ards clubs, do they need to name panels or is it based on the previous years participants?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 12, 2009, 10:35:03 AM
Named panels - same as for the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on May 12, 2009, 02:05:25 PM
As a neutral at Shamrocks v Kingdom last night, have to say John Clarke was absolutely outstanding. Good first hlaf performance from James Colgan too, but Clarke was immense.
No sign of DJ at his home club match!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 12, 2009, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: Leo on May 12, 2009, 02:05:25 PM
As a neutral at Shamrocks v Kingdom last night, have to say John Clarke was absolutely outstanding. Good first hlaf performance from James Colgan too, but Clarke was immense.
No sign of DJ at his home club match!!

Maybe suspended or something..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on May 12, 2009, 05:08:11 PM
As far as i know dj's original club was Mitchels and a few clubs later Shamrocks ! So his home club well is a bit like the caravan people he doesnt put much store on loyalty ! Anyone shed any light on that one.






                                                                                  the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 12, 2009, 05:35:28 PM
Quote from: thegael on May 12, 2009, 05:08:11 PM
As far as i know dj's original club was Mitchels and a few clubs later Shamrocks ! So his home club well is a bit like the caravan people he doesnt put much store on loyalty ! Anyone shed any light on that one.






                                                                                  the gael takes no prisoners!

Holy sweet mother of Jesus, you're back!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on May 12, 2009, 06:26:28 PM
its good to have you back 'thegael'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on May 12, 2009, 07:38:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 12, 2009, 05:35:28 PM
Quote from: thegael on May 12, 2009, 05:08:11 PM
As far as i know dj's original club was Mitchels and a few clubs later Shamrocks ! So his home club well is a bit like the caravan people he doesnt put much store on loyalty ! Anyone shed any light on that one.






                                                                                  the gael takes no prisoners!

Holy sweet mother of Jesus, you're back!!!


:D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on May 12, 2009, 08:18:10 PM
How do you think Down will do against the Erne men next week?personally i think they have what it takes to take them, but it all depends on who performs well on the day,also any one care to shed any light on what the starting 15 could possibly be?would like to see p.fitzpatrick getting the nodd, but i dont see it happening
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 12, 2009, 08:37:26 PM
Quote from: The Worker on May 12, 2009, 07:38:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 12, 2009, 05:35:28 PM
Quote from: thegael on May 12, 2009, 05:08:11 PM
As far as i know dj's original club was Mitchels and a few clubs later Shamrocks ! So his home club well is a bit like the caravan people he doesnt put much store on loyalty ! Anyone shed any light on that one.






                                                                                  the gael takes no prisoners!

Holy sweet mother of Jesus, you're back!!!


:D

  Are you out for good or just on parole? :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on May 12, 2009, 09:07:33 PM
Quote from: downman on May 12, 2009, 05:52:15 AM
as RTE dont broadcast on the internet outside of the UK. does anyone know how how i can get watching the game on sunday online?

I watched Armagh Wexford/Galway Kerry games in France last year on www.justin.tv Follow sport link and then put Live GAA in search engine and click best matches.  You might get it there on sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on May 12, 2009, 09:28:52 PM
Quote from: Leo on May 12, 2009, 02:05:25 PM
As a neutral at Shamrocks v Kingdom last night, have to say John Clarke was absolutely outstanding. Good first hlaf performance from James Colgan too, but Clarke was immense.
No sign of DJ at his home club match!!

You Sound Supprised  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 13, 2009, 02:43:09 PM
No 1, your boys will get it tight on Friday night against Downpatrick. Will a good few of your Seniors not be playing for Strangford in the Harry Clarke Cup Final the same night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on May 13, 2009, 05:53:26 PM
notice on the down.gaa.ie (http://down.gaa.ie) website today...........

The Down Minor Team to take on Fermanagh will appear on the Down GAA Website at 8.45 pm this evening (Wed)

The Down Senior Football Team to take on Fermanagh will be announced on Friday at the Down Club Golf Day which takes place in Warrenpoint GolfClub. The Team will be announced at around 6.00 pm and will appear on the Down GAA Website www.downgaa.net at 7.00pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 13, 2009, 08:59:02 PM
Down Minors v Fermanagh

1 JAMES DEENEY
2 RYAN DORAN
3 SHANE MCNAMEE
4 DARRAGH OHANLON
5 KEVIN MCCLOREY
6 CIARAN MCCLEAN
7 PADDY BOYLE
8 NIAL MCPARLAND
9 CAOLAN MOONEY
10 CHRIS CLARKE
11 ROBBIE WHITE
12 PATRICK QUINN
13 MATTIE BAGNALL
14 ROSS MCGARRY
15 DAVID MCKIBBEN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 13, 2009, 09:06:23 PM
An Riocht beat Atticall 0-11 to 0-06 tonight in Division 2 to make it 6 wins out of 6.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 13, 2009, 09:08:20 PM
Another year and another suspect selection from Mark Turley and co. Paddy Mckenny, Michael Ireland, Miceal Devlin all non starters yet where good enough to be in top 24 last year. Darragh Ohanlon and Caolan Mooney, two under 16s who are starting, are very talented players, but its bad when you have to start two so young at this level. Very rarely do Down include under 16s at this level. Think Colgan was last to do so and shane ward before that. Be interesting to see who makes first 24 now named on friday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgael2008 on May 13, 2009, 10:38:34 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 13, 2009, 09:06:23 PM
An Riocht beat Atticall 0-11 to 0-06 tonight in Division 2 to make it 6 wins out of 6.

Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
An Riocht  6 6 0 0 85 57 28 12
Atticall  6 4 2 0 68 66 2 8
Clann na Banna  5 2 2 1 50 47 3 5
Ballyholland  5 2 2 1 59 59 0 5
Downpatrick  4 2 2 0 49 42 7 4
Ballymartin  4 2 2 0 46 45 1 4
Kilclief  5 1 2 2 50 50 0 4
Carryduff  5 2 3 0 56 57 -1 4
Glasdrumman  4 2 2 0 50 57 -7 4
Annaclone  5 2 3 0 55 64 -9 4
Shamrocks  5 1 4 0 46 56 -10 2
Darragh Cross  4 0 2 2 42 56 -14 2

Down website are quick these days !!!!!!  :o

Yes a decent start for them alright. I seen them against downpatrick and they certainly look strong in certain areas. Colgan and Clarke are obviously a big help to have every week.

As for the minor selection only time will tell, give the lads a chance, minor football is very unpredictable and anything could happen !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 13, 2009, 10:43:20 PM
Minor draw anyone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 13, 2009, 11:40:37 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 13, 2009, 10:43:20 PM
Minor draw anyone?

Bredagh v Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 14, 2009, 12:37:07 AM
Minor "A" Championship Round Two on Tuesday 2nd June at 7-30pm     
A    Clan Na Banna/Loch an Oilean    V Baile Cholmain    
B    Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua    V Droichead Mhaigh Eo    
C    Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh  V Ard Ghlais    
D    Noamh Eoin Bosco    V Seomrogai an Iuir    
E    Boireann     V  An Riocht    
F    Cill Chua    V  Ath Bhriain    
G    Bredach    V Cluain Diamh    
H    Noamh Mhuire  V  An Ghleann    

Minor "B" Championship Round Two on Tuesday 2nd June at 7-30pm    
A    Caislean an Mhuillin         V    Eanach Cluana    
B    An Cloch Fhada         V    Sabhall    
C    Caislean Ruairi         V    Droim an Easa    
D    Cill Breachtain         V    Noamh Eoin    
E    Baile Ui Mhairtin         V    Clan Na Banna/Loch an Oilean    
F    Cill Dara         V    Noamh Pol    
G    Noamh Seosamh         V    Noamh Colmans    
H    Droim Gath         V    RGU Dun Padriag    

Tie of the round must be Cill Chua v  Ath Bhriain    
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 14, 2009, 09:03:16 AM
The Down team will be announced live on BBC Newsline tomorrow night from the Club Down golf day in Warrenpoint.  It will appear on the Down website simultaneously.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 14, 2009, 09:07:49 AM
It's a very useful forward line Down Minors have out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 14, 2009, 11:05:35 AM
Quote from: amallon on May 14, 2009, 09:03:16 AM
The Down team will be announced live on BBC Newsline tomorrow night from the Club Down golf day in Warrenpoint.  It will appear on the Down website simultaneously.

We are so ahead of the times in Down - it is frightening..........
Why could we not just stick it in the Irish News tomorrow morning and be done with it - it not as if there will be any surprises.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 14, 2009, 11:26:21 AM
The biggest surprise for me would be if the Down team named tomorrow is the same as the one that appears on the field on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 14, 2009, 11:38:07 AM
QuoteNo 1, your boys will get it tight on Friday night against Downpatrick. Will a good few of your Seniors not be playing for Strangford in the Harry Clarke Cup Final the same night?

Aye 7 first teamers are going to play the foreign game.  We will be light enough, there will be a couple of lads coming out of retirement to play for us! 

The lads have made their choice and I'm sure the Ballyholland posters will confirm that our new manager won't forget it in a hurry!

On the plus side, boys that have been gurning about not getting any game time will get an opportunity to show what they are made of.

No more motivation will be needed than the sight of a green and white hooped jersey (and Willie Walsh slabbering over the fence).   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on May 14, 2009, 12:58:36 PM
Who is the Naomh Mhuire team made up of?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 14, 2009, 01:28:21 PM
Liatroim and Dromara i think????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on May 14, 2009, 01:29:04 PM
thought it night have been
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 14, 2009, 01:29:59 PM
yep lads thats correct
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 14, 2009, 01:33:43 PM
Handy game for Glenn ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 14, 2009, 02:12:43 PM
probably with the managment team st marys have!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 14, 2009, 04:20:44 PM
This year's Cadbury GAA Football U21 All Ireland Championship has seen three Down players; Conor Poland, Paul McComiskey and Peter Fitzpatrick shortlisted for the 2009 Cadbury Hero of the Future Award.  Each of these players has been presented with a Hero of the Match award during the season and as a result they are now down to 15 shortlisted players for the Cadbury Hero of the Future Award which will be presented by the GAA President in Croke Park on the 19th May.

Conor Poland who plays his football with Longstone received his Cadbury Hero of the Match award after Down's win over Mayo in the All Ireland Semi Final. Dundrum's Paul McComiskey received his award for his performance against Tyrone while Ballymartin clubman Peter Fitzpatrick was awarded his Hero of the Match award against Armagh in the Ulster Final.

Down fans are encouraged to log onto www.cadburygaau21.com where they can vote for who they feel is the most deserving Hero of the Match.
The Cadbury Hero of the Future Award is selected by public voting  and adjudication from the three Hero of the Future judges - Kildare Senior Footballer Dermot Earley, TG4 journalist Michael O Domhnaill and Paul Caffrey, former U21 Football selector and Dublin senior manager.

The winning player will win a holiday for himself, €1000 for his club and €1000 for his county board. Cadbury are now also offering each of the 15 Hero's of the Match a training kit for their club from this year.

This season Cadbury has introduced a greater level of on-line interactivity for the U21 Championship which will allow fans and media to keep up to date with the latest news, fixtures and results . New elements have been added to the website, www.cadburygaau21.com , including a video and photo gallery section. Fans can contribute their own comments and add their own content via the website, through the championship Twitter channel, http://twitter.com/CadburyU21 and through the Facebook fan page. A Flickr page, www.flickr.com/photos/cadburyu21football , has also been created which allows fans to view a selection of photos from the previous three seasons, as well has dedicated sections on both Hoganstand.com and AnFearRua.com.

To date The Cadbury Hero of the Future Award has been presented to three outstanding players at U21 level to mark their potential for the future and their dedication to the game:

2006: Keith Higgins from Mayo
2007: Fintan Goold from Cork
2008: Killian Young from Kerry
The full list of nominees for the 2009 Cadbury Hero of the Future Award are:
Paul McComiskey (Down)
Peter Fitzpatrick (Down)
Conor Poland (Down)
Colm O'Neill (Cork)
Colm O'Driscoll (Cork)
Ciaran Sheehan (Cork)
Dean Kelly (Dublin)
Patrick Andrews (Dublin)
Tom Parsons (Mayo)
Aidan O'Shea (Mayo)
Sean Carey (Tipperary)
Brain Fox (Tipperary)
Ger Reddin (Laois)
Stefan Forker (Armagh)
Gary Gaughan (Sligo)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on May 14, 2009, 05:24:14 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 14, 2009, 04:20:44 PM

To date The Cadbury Hero of the Future Award has been presented to three outstanding players at U21 level to mark their potential for the future and their dedication to the game:

2006: Keith Higgins from Mayo
2007: Fintan Goold from Cork
2008: Killian Young from Kerry
The full list of nominees for the 2009 Cadbury Hero of the Future Award are:
Paul McComiskey (Down)
Peter Fitzpatrick (Down)
Conor Poland (Down)
Colm O'Neill (Cork)
Colm O'Driscoll (Cork)
Ciaran Sheehan (Cork)
Dean Kelly (Dublin)
Patrick Andrews (Dublin)
Tom Parsons (Mayo)
Aidan O'Shea (Mayo)
Sean Carey (Tipperary)
Brain Fox (Tipperary)
Ger Reddin (Laois)
Stefan Forker (Armagh)
Gary Gaughan (Sligo)

The pattern so far is that  they award it to one of the Champions.   So probably Cork this year too.  What odds O'Driscoll for his last minute goal to win/steal it for them?  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 14, 2009, 05:24:59 PM
Quote from: western exile on May 14, 2009, 05:24:14 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 14, 2009, 04:20:44 PM

To date The Cadbury Hero of the Future Award has been presented to three outstanding players at U21 level to mark their potential for the future and their dedication to the game:

2006: Keith Higgins from Mayo
2007: Fintan Goold from Cork
2008: Killian Young from Kerry
The full list of nominees for the 2009 Cadbury Hero of the Future Award are:
Paul McComiskey (Down)
Peter Fitzpatrick (Down)
Conor Poland (Down)
Colm O'Neill (Cork)
Colm O'Driscoll (Cork)
Ciaran Sheehan (Cork)
Dean Kelly (Dublin)
Patrick Andrews (Dublin)
Tom Parsons (Mayo)
Aidan O'Shea (Mayo)
Sean Carey (Tipperary)
Brain Fox (Tipperary)
Ger Reddin (Laois)
Stefan Forker (Armagh)
Gary Gaughan (Sligo)

The pattern so far is that  they award it to one of the Champions.   So probably Cork this year too.  What odds O'Driscoll for his last minute goal to win/steal it for them?  :-\

Colm O'Neill (Cork) is miles ahead in the voting.

PS - Ballyholland beat Banbridge 1-07 to 0-08 tonight in Division 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on May 15, 2009, 01:00:37 PM
From last night:

Aghaderg 0-9
Glenn      1-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 15, 2009, 04:59:36 PM
Games involving Bryansford and Rostrevor and Loughinisland v Longstone have been called off tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 15, 2009, 05:29:28 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 15, 2009, 04:59:36 PM
Games involving Bryansford and Rostrevor and Loughinisland v Longstone have been called off tonight.

water logged pitches?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 15, 2009, 05:49:59 PM
Drunamess v Bredagh off now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 15, 2009, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 15, 2009, 05:29:28 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 15, 2009, 04:59:36 PM
Games involving Bryansford and Rostrevor and Loughinisland v Longstone have been called off tonight.

water logged pitches?

Yeah thats the reason. im sure there will be more games that will fall victim to the weather.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on May 15, 2009, 06:12:24 PM
team for sunday:

B McVeigh
L Howard
K McKernan
D Rafferty
A Carr
C Garvey
D Rooney
D Gordon
A Rogers
B McArdle
J Boyle
S Kearney
D Hughes
R Murtagh
P McComiskey

As always would be surprised if there were no changes prior to throw in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 15, 2009, 08:51:43 PM
DIV3 RESULT

Drumgath  1-13
Dundrum   0-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 15, 2009, 08:57:32 PM
Saul  2-10 1-13 Ardglass 

did Tullylish get beat last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on May 15, 2009, 08:58:03 PM
St Michaels beat the Mitchels not sure how many yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on May 15, 2009, 09:00:25 PM
Tcnt 2-7 st pauls 0-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on May 15, 2009, 09:25:45 PM
Drumgath 1-13 DUNDRUM 0-8  ALAN GRANT REFEREE venue =drumgrath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on May 15, 2009, 09:37:53 PM
Down SFL Division 1
Loughinisland  0-0 0-0 Longstone 
Liatriom  1-8 0-7 Saval 
Warrenpoint  1-12 1-12 Clonduff   

Down SFL Division 2
Kilclief  1-8 0-10 Downpatrick 
Annaclone  2-9 0-8 Shamrocks 
Ballymartin  3-9 1-7 Carryduff 
Glasdrumman  0-11 0-11 Darragh Cross 

Down SFL Division 3
Saul  2-10 1-13 Ardglass
Teconnaught  2-5 0-5 St Pauls 
Drumgath  1-12 0-8 Dundrum 

Down SFL Division 4
Aughlisnafin  1-10 2-7 Bright 
St Michaels  1-13 1-10 Mitchels 
Ballykinlar  1-2 3-11 St John Bosco 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on May 15, 2009, 09:39:13 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 15, 2009, 08:57:32 PM
Saul  2-10 1-13 Ardglass 

did Tullylish get beat last night?

Tullylish 0-8  1-7 st johns
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on May 15, 2009, 09:45:57 PM
Tullylish 0-8  1-7 st johns

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o THAT IS SHOCKING WHAT HAPPENED TO TULLYISH  BECAUSE THAT IS NOT LIKE TULLYISH TO LOSE A GAME
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 15, 2009, 10:00:15 PM
tullylish loose at home  :o

div 3 wide open from top to bottom, achaderg looking hopeless however if anyone from teconnaucht up gets a couple of wins they could be pushing for the top spots

Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Tullylish  6 5 1 0 77 61 16 10
St Johns  6 4 1 1 73 62 11 9
Glenn  6 4 2 0 82 60 22 8
Drumgath  6 4 2 0 77 68 9 8
Ardglass  6 3 2 1 87 80 7 7
Bredagh  5 3 2 0 75 62 13 6
Dundrum  6 2 2 2 78 71 7 6
Saul  6 2 2 2 81 80 1 6
Teconnaught  6 2 2 2 57 63 -6 6
Drumaness  5 1 4 0 58 70 -12 2
St Pauls  6 1 5 0 57 80 -23 2
Aghaderg  6 0 6 0 56 101 -45 0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 15, 2009, 10:23:52 PM
Any word of the Bridge and Castlewellan?

I see the bridge keeper got married today and the town wouldnt move the game to facilitate the lads who wanted to go to the weddin. Hate that.....


On another note did any of you see one of our esteemed posters on here featuring on Laochra Gael tonight :D :D


....and no its not Mickey Linden I'm talking about!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on May 16, 2009, 01:58:12 AM
is it just me....or is any one else unimpressed by John Boyle?honest to god the man is more adapted to soccer than any thing else-starting on sunday?hopefully its just another customary pre-game switch!!!No Benny should get boys on their toes,to stand up and be counted
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 16, 2009, 09:58:25 AM
A water logged pitch stopped the game.  Castlewellan wouldn't change the game and Paul Carroll had told most of the team who were for the wedding to go and enjoy themselves and to forget about the football and we would play our seconds and some thirds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on May 16, 2009, 10:10:57 AM
Appalling display of refereeing last night by Ned Morgan in the Darragh Cross/Glassdrumman game.Most obvious and blatant display of cheating that I have ever witnessed.Ned should seriously contemplate decommisioning the whistle after that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 16, 2009, 10:55:48 AM
Typical Castlewellan not moving a game to accomodate a marriage or another important event. They are one club that would rather beat a seconds team to get two points rather than pit themselves against full strength opposition and compete for them. Hell slap it up them having a water logged pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on May 16, 2009, 12:01:16 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 16, 2009, 09:58:25 AM
A water logged pitch stopped the game.  Castlewellan wouldn't change the game and Paul Carroll had told most of the team who were for the wedding to go and enjoy themselves and to forget about the football and we would play our seconds and some thirds.

Well done Paul Carroll and the weather  ;) the rescheduled fixture will be interesting to say the least.

Shamrocks bate again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 16, 2009, 12:06:27 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 13, 2009, 09:08:20 PM
Another year and another suspect selection from Mark Turley and co. Paddy Mckenny, Michael Ireland, Miceal Devlin all non starters yet where good enough to be in top 24 last year. Darragh Ohanlon and Caolan Mooney, two under 16s who are starting, are very talented players, but its bad when you have to start two so young at this level. Very rarely do Down include under 16s at this level. Think Colgan was last to do so and shane ward before that. Be interesting to see who makes first 24 now named on friday.

Your adopting the Alan Hansen philosophy here. Personally I believe if your good enough your old enough, hopefully the young lads will do themselves justice and Down get a win out of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 16, 2009, 12:11:36 PM
Quote from: DaUmpire on May 15, 2009, 09:37:53 PM
Down SFL Division 1
Loughinisland  0-0 0-0 Longstone 
Liatriom  1-8 0-7 Saval 
Warrenpoint  1-12 1-12 Clonduff   

Down SFL Division 2
Kilclief  1-8 0-10 Downpatrick 
Annaclone  2-9 0-8 Shamrocks 
Ballymartin  3-9 1-7 Carryduff 
Glasdrumman  0-11 0-11 Darragh Cross 

Down SFL Division 3
Saul  2-10 1-13 Ardglass
Teconnaught  2-5 0-5 St Pauls 
Drumgath  1-12 0-8 Dundrum 

Down SFL Division 4
Aughlisnafin  1-10 2-7 Bright 
St Michaels  1-13 1-10 Mitchels 
Ballykinlar  1-2 3-11 St John Bosco 

Interesting to see Kilclief turning over the RGU, NO 1 did yous end up having the amount of players missing you thought you would have in your earlier post??? Also the Finn picked up another result, fair play...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 16, 2009, 12:39:09 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on May 16, 2009, 12:06:27 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 13, 2009, 09:08:20 PM
Another year and another suspect selection from Mark Turley and co. Paddy Mckenny, Michael Ireland, Miceal Devlin all non starters yet where good enough to be in top 24 last year. Darragh Ohanlon and Caolan Mooney, two under 16s who are starting, are very talented players, but its bad when you have to start two so young at this level. Very rarely do Down include under 16s at this level. Think Colgan was last to do so and shane ward before that. Be interesting to see who makes first 24 now named on friday.

Your adopting the Alan Hansen philosophy here. Personally I believe if your good enough your old enough, hopefully the young lads will do themselves justice and Down get a win out of it.

I hope your right. Dont get me wrong Darragh OHanlon and Caolan Mooney are outstanding players just hope there is not too much pressure put on them at a young age to deliver. They are prob in the top five players on this team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on May 16, 2009, 09:14:07 PM
Yeah we (the finn) managed a draw last night against a Bright team who had beaten us 6 times in all comps last year. After getting off to a slow start and being 6pts down after 10 mins we managed 2 claw our way back into the game to eventually take the lead by 1 pt with about 12 mins to go. Unfortunately for us Bright equalised with the last kick of the game!
Lads we have a panel of over 30 boys this year + r looking 2 get 'reserve' friendlies organised every 3 or 4 weeks to keep everyone ticking over, also with a view to possibly entering the EDRL next season if all goes well. Preferably against tems in the lower regions of the EDRL + SDRL on a tues or thurs night so as not 2 interfere with our senior schedule.
If anyone is interested PM me please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 17, 2009, 12:47:00 AM
Quote from: marsbarkid on May 16, 2009, 09:14:07 PM
Yeah we (the finn) managed a draw last night against a Bright team who had beaten us 6 times in all comps last year. After getting off to a slow start and being 6pts down after 10 mins we managed 2 claw our way back into the game to eventually take the lead by 1 pt with about 12 mins to go. Unfortunately for us Bright equalised with the last kick of the game!
Lads we have a panel of over 30 boys this year + r looking 2 get 'reserve' friendlies organised every 3 or 4 weeks to keep everyone ticking over, also with a view to possibly entering the EDRL next season if all goes well. Preferably against tems in the lower regions of the EDRL + SDRL on a tues or thurs night so as not 2 interfere with our senior schedule.
If anyone is interested PM me please.

Marsbarkid to be fair could you lace the milkybarkids boots  ;D Anyway Well done on draw last night  :) Be great to a get few wins under the finn belt. Certainly gone far in a year,Mr Mc Gratten leaves us with a vested interst in Finn afairs. Hope it continues...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 17, 2009, 11:32:00 AM
Anybody this weeks East Down Fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 17, 2009, 07:25:36 PM
My preseason predictions (* below) are begining to look better.  Div 3 is again looking very competitive.  Now that Dundrum will have the alomost full concentration of PMC I expect they will rise up the table.

P      W    D      L      P
6   5   0   1   10   Tullylish*
6   4   1   1   9   St Johns
6   4   0   2   8   Drumgath*
6   3   1   2   7   Ardglass
6   2   2   2   6   Dundrum*
6   2   2   2   6   Saul
6   2   2   2   6   Teconnaght
5   3   0   2   6   Glenn
5   3   0   2   6   Bredagh
6   1   0   5   2   St Pauls
5   1   0   4   2   Drumaness
5   0   0   5   0   Aghaderg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 17, 2009, 07:30:09 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on May 17, 2009, 07:25:36 PM
My preseason predictions (* below) are begining to look better.  Div 3 is again looking very competitive.  Now that Dundrum will have the alomost full concentration of PMC I expect they will rise up the table.

P      W    D      L      P
6   5   0   1   10   Tullylish*
6   4   1   1   9   St Johns
6   4   0   2   8   Drumgath*
6   3   1   2   7   Ardglass
6   2   2   2   6   Dundrum*
6   2   2   2   6   Saul
6   2   2   2   6   Teconnaght
5   3   0   2   6   Glenn
5   3   0   2   6   Bredagh
6   1   0   5   2   St Pauls
5   1   0   4   2   Drumaness
5   0   0   5   0   Aghaderg


Glenn are on 8 points as well they beat Aghaderg on Thursday night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 17, 2009, 07:33:41 PM
East Down GAA Fixtures Tuesday  19th May Time 7.30pm  
U-18 Football League Section "A" 2009    
   Round Six              
    Bryansford    v    Loughinisland    OFF
    Castlewellan    v    St. Mary's    
    Downpatrick    v    Kilcoo    
    Carryduff    v    Bredagh                         
U-18 Football League Section "B" 2009    
    Round Six              
    St. Joseph's    v    Ardglass    
    St, John's    v    Teconnaught    
    Cill Darrach    v    Drumaness    
U- 16 League      Date  Wednesday  20th May Time 7.30pm    
Section "A" Round Five              
    St. Mary's    v    Kilcoo    
    Bredagh    v    Saul    
    Carryduff    v    St. Paul's    
    Downpatrick    v    Cill Darach    
    Loughinisland    v    Bryansford    
    St. John's    v    Castlewellan    
U-16 Football League Section "B" 2009 Rd. Five              
    Cill Breactain    v    Drumaness    
    Bredagh    v    St Joseph's    
                   
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 14 League         
Date  Thursday  21st  May  Time 7.30pm         
U-14 Football League Section "A" 2009    
    Round.Six              
    Kilcoo    v    Saul    
    Carryduff    v    Castlewellan    
    Bredagh    v    Bryansford    
                   
U-14 Football League Section "B1" 2009    
    Round Six              
    St Joseph's    v    Downpatrick    
    Cill Breactain    v    Bredagh    
                   
U-14 Football League Section "B2" 2009         
    Round Six              
    Drumaness    v    Loughinisland    
    Dromara    v    Teconnaught    
    Liatroim    v    St. Paul's    
                   
East Down U.10 Go Games Sat 23 May 10am 2 teams per club at the following venues.         
St John's: St John's, Bryansford & Loughinisland. Gerard Magorrian (2 pitches)
St Paul's: St Paul's, Carryduff & Saul. Fearghal Eastwood (2 pitches)
Tecconnaught: Teconnaught, Liatroim & Downpatrick. Michelle Pollock (2 pitches)
Castlewellan: Castlewellan, Bredagh & Drumaness. Ciaran O'Keefe (2 pitches)
                   
1 team per club at the following venues.     Kilcoo: Kilcoo, Aughlisnafinn, Ballykinlar & Bright. Conor Laverty (2 pitches)
Ardglass: Ardglass, Kilclief, Darragh Cross & Dundrum. Donna O'Connor(2 pitches)
                   
Date Sunday 24th May Time 12.30pm     U-12 Football League Section "A" 2009    
                   
    Round Six              
    Bryansford    v    Bredagh    
    St. Paul's    v    Kilcoo    
                   
U-12 Football League Section "B" 2009    
    Round Six              
    1Ardglass    v    5Liatroim    
    7Saul    v    3Castlewellan    
    8St. John's    v    6Loughinisland    
                   
U-12 Football League Section "C" 2009    
    Round Six              
    St. Paul's    v    Bright    
    Drumaness    v    Teconnaught    
    St. Joseph's    v    Bredagh    
                   
Date Sunday 24th  May Time 7.00pm    Reserve Football League              
    Section A1              
    Round Six              
    Bryansford    v    Dundrum    
    Drumaness    v    Castlewellan    
    Kilcoo    v    St. John's    
    Teconnaught    v    Liatroim    
    
    Section A2              
    Round Six              
    Bright    v    Darragh Cross    
    Saul    v    Bredagh    
    Ardglass    v    St. Paul's    
                   
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 12 League     Date Monday 25th May Time 7.30pm         
U-12 Football League Section "A" 2009    
    Downpatrick    v    Carryduff    
                   
U-12 Football League Section "B" 2009    
    Cill Darach    v    Carryduff    
                   
Date Monday 25th  May Time 7.30pm         Reserve Football League              
    Kilclief    v    Carryduff    

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 17, 2009, 07:35:18 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on May 17, 2009, 07:30:09 PM
Glenn are on 8 points as well they beat Aghaderg on Thursday night

Cheers Dundrumite.  Was wondering what happened that fixture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 17, 2009, 07:53:55 PM
was at the down game today, very dissapointed after a long journey down. match was there for the takings and it was handed to fermanagh on a plate.


one posative however was number 21 or 22. nearly sure it was peter turley from rgu, the man was fantastic, won 95% of the ball coming in!! very impressed, he must surely hold his place
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on May 17, 2009, 08:00:35 PM
Quote from: general on May 17, 2009, 07:53:55 PM
was at the down game today, very dissapointed after a long journey down. match was there for the takings and it was handed to fermanagh on a plate.


one posative however was number 21 or 22. nearly sure it was peter turley from rgu, the man was fantastic, won 95% of the ball coming in!! very impressed, he must surely hold his place
Must have been watching a different game from me the fermanagh no 14 came into his own from middle off first half, was his first championship start as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 17, 2009, 08:02:22 PM
and the next weeks fixtures

East Down GAA Fixtures
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 18 League      
Date  Tuesday  26th May Time 7.30pm      
U-18 Football League Section "A" 2009   
            Referee
   Round Seven         
   St. Mary's   v   Loughinisland   
   Bryansford   v   Castlewellan   
   Bredagh   v   Kilcoo   
   Downpatrick   v   Carryduff   
            
U-18 Football League Section "B" 2009   
   Round Seven         
   Cill Breactain   v   St. Joseph's   
   Drumaness   v   Teconnaught   
   St, John's   v   Cill Darrach   
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 16 League      
Date  Wednesday  27th May Time 7.30pm   
U-16 Football League Section "A" 2009   
   Round Six         
   Bryansford   v   St. Mary's   
   Castlewellan   v   Downpatrick   
   Kilcoo   v   Carryduff   
   Saul   v   St. John's   
   St. Paul's   v   Loughinisland   
   Cill Darach   v   Bredagh   
U-16 Football League Section "B" 2009   
   Rd. Six         
   St Joseph's   v   Cill Breactain   
   Ardglass   v   Bredagh   
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 14 League      
Date  Thursday  28th  May  Time 7.30pm      
U-14 Football League Section "A" 2009   
   Round.Seven         
   Carryduff   v   Kilcoo   
   Bryansford   v   Castlewellan   
   Saul   v   Bredagh   
            
U-14 Football League Section "B1" 2009   
   Round Seven         
   Darragh Cross   v   Carryduff   
   Cill Breactain   v   Downpatrick   
            
U-14 Football League Section "B2" 2009      
   Round Seven         
   St. Paul's   v   St. John's   
   Teconnaught   v   Liatroim   
   Loughinisland   v   Dromara   
            
Gerry Hynds Trophies Downpatrick      
Date  Saturday 30th May Time 5.00pm      
U-14  "A" Football Championship  Preliminary Round
   St. Joseph's   v   Cill Breactain   
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 12 League      
Date Sunday 31st May Time 12.30pm      
U-12 Football League Section "A" 2009   
   Round Seven         
   Downpatrick   v   Bryansford   
   Kilcoo   v   Carryduff   
   Bredagh   v   St. Paul's   
            
U-12 Football League Section "B" 2009   
   Round Seven         
   Dromara   v   Liatroim   
   Carryduff   v   St. John's   
   Loughinisland   v   Castlewellan   
   Cill Darach   v   Ardglass   
            
U-12 Football League Section "C" 2009   
   Round Seven         
   Bright   v   Kilclief   
   Bredagh   v   Teconnaught   
   Drumaness   v   St. Joseph's   
            
   Senior Feis Sevens commencing at 6.00pm.   
Senior Feis Sevens Sunday 31th May 2009 venue Ballykinlar GAC   
Preliminary Round         
(A)   Darragh Cross   v   Kilclief   
            
Round One          
            
   Downpatrick     v   Castlewellan   
   Kilcoo   v   Liatroim   
   Loughinisland   v   Carryduff   
   Bryansford   v   Darragh Cross / Kilclief
            
Draw for semi-finals on the field      
========================================================================
Junior Feis Sevens commencing at 6.00pm.   
Junior  Feis Sevens on Sunday 31th May 2009 venue Bright GAC   
            
            
            
Preliminary Round         
(A)    Teconnaught   v    Bright   
(B)   St. John's   v   Ardglass   
(C)   Bredagh   v   Ballykinlar   
(D)   Drumaness   v   Dromara   
Round One          
   Saul   v    Teconnaught/Bright   
   St. Paul's   v   Bredagh/Ballykinlar   
   Aughlisnafin    v   St. John's/Ardglass   
   Dundrum   v   Drumaness/Dromara   
            
Draw for semi-finals on the field      
            
            
Quoile Tile & Bathroom Centre      
Date Sunday 31st  May Time 7.00pm      
   Section A1         
   Round Seven         
   Castlewellan   v   Dundrum   
   Bryansford   v   Drumaness   
   Liatroim   v   St. John's   
   Kilcoo   v   Teconnaught   
   
   Section A2         
   Round Seven         
   Bredagh   v   Darragh Cross   
   Saul   v   Bright   
   St. Paul's   v   Carryduff   
   Kilclief   v   Ardglass   
            

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 18, 2009, 10:53:43 AM
In an attempt to make some sense of our starting 15 in Enniskillen, and assess the thinking of the management, here's a quick question for our Rostrevor and Ballyholland posters in particular.

Martin Cole and Paul Murphy, if fit, would be regarded as close to automotic choices by most Down supporters, but Murphy was an unused sub and Cole was not in the squad of 30.

Are both still carrying injuries or does Ross not rate them ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on May 18, 2009, 12:36:50 PM
Marty O'Neill?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 18, 2009, 01:23:51 PM
martin cole is fully fit and has been for most of the national league also!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joxer on May 18, 2009, 01:30:13 PM
Quick question.. When did Ambrose Rogers become a GPO?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 18, 2009, 01:38:46 PM
Rest of the fixtures from the Down site

will be interesting to see how Aghaderg field 2 teams at the same time

Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Kilcoo  Burren  Kilcoo 19/05/2009 19:15 Leo Smith Round 6 
Rostrevor  Burren  Rostrevor 22/05/2009 19:15 Gavin Corrigan Round 7   
Longstone  Saval  Longstone 22/05/2009 19:15 Damien Laverty Round 7 
Clonduff  Mayobridge  Clonduff 22/05/2009 19:15 Ned Morgan Round 7 
Kilcoo  Bryansford  Kilcoo 22/05/2009 19:15 Barry Andrews Round 7 
Liatriom  Loughinisland  Liatriom 22/05/2009 19:15 Jim Burns Round 7 
Castlewellan  Warrenpoint  Castlewellan 22/05/2009 19:15 Mark Lynch Round 7 
Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Downpatrick  Glasdrumman  Downpatrick 18/05/2009 19:15 Paul Gelston Round 5 
Darragh Cross  Ballymartin  Darragh Cross 19/05/2009 19:15 Eamon Mc Elroy Round 5 
Carryduff  Atticall  Carryduff 22/05/2009 19:15 Peter Brannigan Round 7 
Downpatrick  Shamrocks  Downpatrick 22/05/2009 19:15 Gerard Brannigan St Johns Round 7 
Darragh Cross  Ballyholland  Darragh Cross 22/05/2009 19:15 Martin Rawlinson Round 7 
An Riocht  Ballymartin  An Riocht 22/05/2009 19:15 Ciaran Brannigan Round 7 
Annaclone  Kilclief  Annaclone 22/05/2009 19:15 Seamus O Hanlon Round 7 
Clann na Banna  Glasdrumman  Clann na Banna 22/05/2009 19:15 D Brogan Round 7 
Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Glenn  St Pauls  Glenn 22/05/2009 19:15 TBC Round 7 
Drumaness  Ardglass  Drumaness 22/05/2009 19:15 Gabriel Tummelty Round 7 
Dundrum  St Johns  Dundrum 22/05/2009 19:15 Alan Grant Round 7 
Teconnaught  Aghaderg  Teconnaught 22/05/2009 19:15 TBC Round 7 
Saul  Aghaderg  Saul 22/05/2009 19:15 PJ Cunningham Round 7 
Tullylish  Drumgath  Tullylish 22/05/2009 19:15 Leo Smith Round 7 
Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
St John Bosco  Dromara  St John Bosco 22/05/2009 19:15 Declan Ryan Round 7 
Mitchels  Ballykinlar  Mitchels 22/05/2009 19:15 Brendan Rice Round 7 
Bright  St Michaels  Bright 22/05/2009 19:15 TBC Round 7 
ACHL Division 1 
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Portaferry  Liatriom  Portaferry 20/05/2009 19:15 Cathal O Flynn   
Ballela  Bredagh  Ballela 20/05/2009 19:15 Frank McDonald   
Kilclief  Ballycran  Kilclief 20/05/2009 19:15 Laim Quinn   
Shamrocks  Warrenpoint  Shamrocks 20/05/2009 19:15 Ned Morgan   
ACHL Division 2
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Warrenpoint  Carryduff  Warrenpoint 20/05/2009 19:15 David Carr   
Ballycran  Ballyvarley  Ballycran 20/05/2009 19:15 Sean Fitzsimons   
Clonduff  Ballygalget  Clonduff 20/05/2009 19:15 Paul Braniff   
Castlewellan  Portaferry  Castlewellan 20/05/2009 19:15 Hugh Pat McCusker   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on May 18, 2009, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: Joxer on May 18, 2009, 01:30:13 PM
Quick question.. When did Ambrose Rogers become a GPO?

Think it was around January.  After losin the spleen you're more susceptible to colds, flu, infection etc and county board offered him job as a GPO.  Saves him spending winter on a building site.  Great article in Sunday Tribune yesterday with him, pity we won't get to see him playin the Ulster Championship this year after his performances against Tyrone last year.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on May 18, 2009, 03:05:55 PM
Loughinisland V Longstone tonight switched to Longstone.  Loughinisland unplayable, good decision by those involved at least the game gets played now rather than both teams having to carry a fixture in hand for a number of weeks!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mickey Linden on May 18, 2009, 03:30:12 PM
Quote from: D4S on May 18, 2009, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: Joxer on May 18, 2009, 01:30:13 PM
Quick question.. When did Ambrose Rogers become a GPO?

Think it was around January.  After losin the spleen you're more susceptible to colds, flu, infection etc and county board offered him job as a GPO.  Saves him spending winter on a building site.  Great article in Sunday Tribune yesterday with him, pity we won't get to see him playin the Ulster Championship this year after his performances against Tyrone last year.



Does anyone have a link to the Ambrose article or could someone please post it up here? Cheers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on May 18, 2009, 03:58:21 PM
are there any other games from last friday night going ahead tonight? Also anyone know the attendance yesterday in enniskillen?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on May 18, 2009, 04:22:38 PM
10,000 I think Minus.

Anyone have Down minor panel plus clubs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 18, 2009, 04:23:34 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on May 18, 2009, 03:58:21 PM
are there any other games from last friday night going ahead tonight? Also anyone know the attendance yesterday in enniskillen?

Bryansford v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Mayobridge

Are these still *starred* games? Dont see why they should, best training is matches!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on May 18, 2009, 04:25:51 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on May 18, 2009, 03:30:12 PM
Quote from: D4S on May 18, 2009, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: Joxer on May 18, 2009, 01:30:13 PM
Quick question.. When did Ambrose Rogers become a GPO?

Think it was around January.  After losin the spleen you're more susceptible to colds, flu, infection etc and county board offered him job as a GPO.  Saves him spending winter on a building site.  Great article in Sunday Tribune yesterday with him, pity we won't get to see him playin the Ulster Championship this year after his performances against Tyrone last year.



Does anyone have a link to the Ambrose article or could someone please post it up here? Cheers.

He will never walk alone
Ambrose Rodgers is back from the brink and plans to follow in his late father's large and legendary footsteps with Down this season
Ewan MacKenna

Hard-knock life: Ambrose Rodgers in action against Wexford last summer, a game that saw him lose his spleen after an innocuous looking clash Small world, eh. In the midst of a controlled panic, Ambrose Rodgers lay on a bed in the Mater hospital, a nurse on one side squeezing a bag of blood frantically, a doctor on the other preparing his gifted hands for an after-midnight surgery. Rodgers held his late father's mass card but as the energy drained away, the card slipped from his grasp and feathered to the ground. The surgeon picked it up, had a look at the picture and smiled. There in the middle of it all was a moment of peaceful amusement as Professor Gerry McEntee – consultant general surgeon and former Meath footballer – stared at the late Ambrose Rodgers snr – farmer, father and former Down footballer. Small world.




The two had played against each other when Rodgers snr symbolically left the bench towards the end of the 1991 All Ireland final but his most vivid memory of "that warrior" was a league game in Navan when Mick Lyons and Rodgers had gone toe-to-toe like two suicidal boxers yet still shook hands at the end. He peered down at Rodgers' son and told him, "He's watching here, I better not screw up". Rodgers jnr managed a weak smile.




That day last August had begun with Rodgers following in the warrior's footsteps and making his first appearance at Croke Park. He'd been there before as a squad player yet never got to kick a ball. But as Down sunk below the surface against Wexford in their last-12 clash, Rodgers managed two points from midfield before an innocuous looking clash with Brian Malone left him feeling winded. "I just went back into the changing rooms after the game. I wasn't feeling great and was feeling very warm. I went into the toilets to get my head together, sat down on the floor, and all of a sudden this sweat came on me."




A couple of teammates asked why he'd taken a shower in his gear such was the perspiration before the medical team took him away for further observation. "I thought maybe I tore a muscle but they knew better so next thing I'm in the back of an ambulance. I went in for the scan. The pain was building even though I was on the drip and I knew something wasn't right because I was passing blood at this stage. Gerry told me I had ruptured the spleen and they were going to try to repair it."




At eight that evening he went under the knife for the first time. A few hours later the spleen tore open completely and Rodgers lost more than a couple of litres of blood. "He got lucky," says McEntee. "Firstly the injury happened towards the end of the match. If it had been earlier there might have been a temptation to leave him sitting on the sideline. Secondly, the Down people had reacted quickly. There was a serious amount of bleeding into the belly and things were done in a quick time frame. If that doesn't happen, something like that could be fatal."




Nine months on and 24-year-old Rodgers is sitting in a Newry hotel, fresh from an early morning in his new job. You ask to take a look at the exterior remnants from the operation and the scar is surprisingly big – a far-from-straight line dug deep across his stomach. "It was a rush job because it just burst open. My first game in Croke Park. I'll definitely remember it," he jokes. The side-effects are a lifetime of antibiotics and an increased susceptibility to infection, mainly colds, and having worked as a bricklayer before, he wasn't looking forward to cold winters on the site. But the county board came in earlier this year and made him an offer he couldn't refuse. Now he has a job teaching football to children around the county.




That he's deemed a big enough name to do so, and considered one of the best ball-winners in the province, is something typically and uniquely GAA because as an eight-year-old back in 1991, he woke up a couple of days after the All Ireland final to see the Anglo-Celt and Sam Maguire side-by-side at the bottom of his bed.




"My Dad came in and left them there for me to wake up to. Great memories to have. I suppose I don't have too many of him playing for Down, they have begun to go. But I remember him carrying me into the changing room [in 1991]. Being lifted over the wire and someone being told to carry me over to my dad. I'd have seen more videos of him with Down in the 1980s. Makes me very proud, knowing he was one of the legends of football, in my eyes anyway. A great incentive for me to do something with football. I've the jersey he wore in that [All Ireland] final at home and the last jersey he wore for the club. Just little things."




His best memories shared solely between him and his father were midweek nights at home watching Manchester United in the Champions League. They'd been transfixed by the '99 final less than a month before Ambrose snr died of a heart attack. He was still playing for the Longstone club at 39 and was at a function the night before. "It was sudden, he just died in his sleep. We were just... It was just... It was an unbelievable thing, watching, listening to the ambulance crew trying to bring him back. In fact the night before, my last memory of my Dad is him coming home with Mum. I'd have been up and was there when he was doing this and that before going to bed and I was glad I was up.




"I'm glad we were all there when he took his last breath too and that he died in his own house, the house he was born in. I just feel lucky he was my Dad. He was a farmer and we rent out the land now because I'd hate to see something he put his life into empty. It's all something I've learned to deal with. I wouldn't have been going well at football after he died though. I hadn't the same interest and lost a lot of confidence. I never played county minors and Ross [Carr] was the manager. He never picked me. Paddy O'Rourke took over and I was on the county panel at 19. He was the one that brought me on. And he was great because he told me to be my own man, that I had to play my own game. Don't get me wrong, it's great to carry on the torch and it'd be great to do a decent job and achieve what my Dad did. Maybe win a few trophies along the way."




A decade on and his friends can joke about the similarities away from football. He's sure the nose is taking the same crooked shape with each game he plays and while the hair might last a little longer, it's being cut closer on each trip to the barbers. "A decade next month," he says. "Time flies. It was my mum that held us together, she's a very strong woman. I like to think I turned out well and only for her that wouldn't have been the case. Suppose with the week that's in it people here will look at all the time Down have been hiding and say time flies as well."




And today is the first step to changing that. This time last year he was coming back from cruciate damage and didn't start Down's opening game against Tyrone, however his introduction in the drawn game and subsequent 1-1 made him a constant thereafter. This championship, he's again coming back from injury but the growth of his importance means there's no waiting around on the bench.




He likes to think that being the last side to beat Tyrone shows they are as good as anyone on their day. He likes to think too that they have the right blend from 27-year-old 'veteran' Benny Coulter to himself and Aidan Carr and Dan Gordon a couple of years younger, down to the latest wave of under-21 medalists coming through. But days like Armagh in last year's Ulster semi and the recent Division Three league final against Tipperary make him only too aware of a talented group's habit of switching off.




"We passed it around too much. We had enough possession to win against Tipp but were going nowhere. It summed us up a little. Same against Armagh. We didn't follow what we were asked to do. We tried to run the ball against a physical team. But we have good footballers and I feel we can compete with the best. Last year was the first time we played football in August since we won the All Ireland. It'll take a lot of work before we are contenders but to get to the Ulster final would be a target. We think we should be there but one day at a time and Brewster Park will be buzzing."




He sits and muses over the game ahead. And after all the agony in his life, he contemplates what ecstasy might some day be like.




emackenna@tribune.ie


May 17, 2009
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 18, 2009, 04:50:05 PM
Quote from: corn02 on May 18, 2009, 04:22:38 PM
10,000 I think Minus.

Anyone have Down minor panel plus clubs?

J Deeney - Downpatrick
R Doran - Glasdrumman
S McNamee - Mayobridge
D O'Hanlon - Kilcoo
K McClorey - Mayobridge
C McClean - Kilcoo
P Boyle - Castlewellan
C Mooney - Rostrevor
N McParland - Glenn
C Clarke - Bryansford
R White - Ballyholland
P Quinn - Ballyholland
M Bagnall - Glenn
R McGarry - Warrenpoint
D McKibben - Bryansford

From what I can remember of the rest of the lads:

Kieran Maguire - Aghaderg
Ollie McClean - Kilcoo
Neil Murray - Bryansford
Danny Savage - Bryansford
Michael Ireland - Longstone
Ryan O'Hare - Ballymartin
David McEntee - Burren
Connor Toner - Burren
Paddy McKenny - Loughinisland
Mark Haughey - Shamrocks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on May 18, 2009, 06:09:47 PM
Cheers DF.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on May 18, 2009, 06:22:43 PM
Minors also had you man Mc Kinney (?)/Mc Kenny from Loughinisland DF ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on May 18, 2009, 07:55:08 PM
HALF-TIME
Longstone 0-6
Loughinisland 1-1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on May 18, 2009, 08:21:04 PM
Keep me updated D4S. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on May 18, 2009, 08:28:27 PM
Jaysus SOUTHDOWN I thought you were dead!!!

8mins to go Longstone winning by 2!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on May 18, 2009, 08:37:26 PM
Wasn't at the match, in work here.

Longstone 2-8
Loughinisland 1-7

Good to get another 2 points, heard it was a very poor game.  Stevie Doran + Ryan Kelly were the goalscorers!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 18, 2009, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: D4S on May 18, 2009, 08:37:26 PM
Wasn't at the match, in work here.

Longstone 2-8
Loughinisland 1-7

Good to get another 2 points, heard it was a very poor game.

Jesus Loughinisland are going bad for a team who reached championship final last year. Rock bottom now with no points out of six games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on May 18, 2009, 08:44:29 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 18, 2009, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: D4S on May 18, 2009, 08:37:26 PM
Wasn't at the match, in work here.

Longstone 2-8
Loughinisland 1-7

Good to get another 2 points, heard it was a very poor game.

Jesus Loughinisland are going bad for a team who reached championship final last year. Rock bottom now with no points out of six.

Can't really remember that well but who did Loughinisland beat to get to the final last year?  Was it Burren in the semis? Who was it in the 1st round + quarter final?  In fairness to them they've had no Dan Gordon or the 2 O'Reillys for most of those 6 league games so far. Key players!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 18, 2009, 08:51:39 PM
QuoteInteresting to see Kilclief turning over the RGU, NO 1 did yous end up having the amount of players missing you thought you would have in your earlier post???

Aye, the seven boys went to the soccer so it was a good oul result for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 18, 2009, 09:07:58 PM
Quote from: D4S on May 18, 2009, 08:44:29 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 18, 2009, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: D4S on May 18, 2009, 08:37:26 PM
Wasn't at the match, in work here.

Longstone 2-8
Loughinisland 1-7

Good to get another 2 points, heard it was a very poor game.

Jesus Loughinisland are going bad for a team who reached championship final last year. Rock bottom now with no points out of six.

Can't really remember that well but who did Loughinisland beat to get to the final last year?  Was it Burren in the semis? Who was it in the 1st round + quarter final?  In fairness to them they've had no Dan Gordon or the 2 O'Reillys for most of those 6 league games so far. Key players!

They beat Rostrevor in round 1, Downpatrick in quarter final and Burren in simi. They could do with getting some league points are they will be in trouble.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on May 18, 2009, 09:37:48 PM
Bridge beat tonight by 5 in the end! Town deserved winners, Eugene OHare the ref was an absolute disgrace! Worst bit of refereeing seen in a long time! He even got the score wrong at one stage. This man is not fit to referee senior games, could not keep up with play, balls lifted clean off the ground and him standing in front looking on! I know alot of them were looking more high profile games but keep the half decent ones for Division one games, thats the reason they never got them before!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 18, 2009, 09:58:14 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on May 18, 2009, 09:37:48 PM
Bridge beat tonight by 5 in the end! Town deserved winners, Eugene OHare the ref was an absolute disgrace! Worst bit of refereeing seen in a long time! He even got the score wrong at one stage. This man is not fit to referee senior games, could not keep up with play, balls lifted clean off the ground and him standing in front looking on! I know alot of them were looking more high profile games but keep the half decent ones for Division one games, thats the reason they never got them before!

Where the Bridge many missing? Eugene OHare has a reputation for leaning to the town every time he referees them.I agree, a woeful referee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 18, 2009, 10:05:30 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on May 18, 2009, 09:37:48 PM
Bridge beat tonight by 5 in the end! Town deserved winners, Eugene OHare the ref was an absolute disgrace! Worst bit of refereeing seen in a long time! He even got the score wrong at one stage. This man is not fit to referee senior games, could not keep up with play, balls lifted clean off the ground and him standing in front looking on! I know alot of them were looking more high profile games but keep the half decent ones for Division one games, thats the reason they never got them before!

Those grapes seem to be of the sour variety Bridge Lad.  8)

Downpatrick beat Glasdrumman 0-10 to 0-08 tonight in Division 2.

Any word on the Ford and Rostrevor game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 18, 2009, 10:12:54 PM
Rostrevor beat Bryansford by a point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on May 18, 2009, 10:28:05 PM

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Those grapes seem to be of the sour variety Bridge Lad.  8)

Downpatrick beat Glasdrumman 0-10 to 0-08 tonight in Division 2.

Any word on the Ford and Rostrevor game?
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Nah not sour grapes mate, he was really bad, as i said Town deserved to win, the bridge werent good, they were only missing six tonight!  :P :P
But seriously that man is a disgrace! Somebody should be there to see these guys!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on May 18, 2009, 11:42:29 PM
Well I must say they must go now at once.

Their managerial standing is at zero and not shaking hands at the end - it is not what we are about in Down - a county of once great standing.

The paid club circuit i feel would avoid them like the plague too - oh county board do it quickly and get rid of them now !!!

We must act now and organise an emergency county board meeting and get all the club reps there too and put the vote of no confidence in as quickly as possible - they should have no back door!

Our county has been brought into disrepute by the non shaking of hands and wait for the news spinners putting it out that quietly marty has been rung and all is well now!!!Send the duo back to the ex-county players drinking circuit where we are all new best friends and drink all night long !

It is in our power to sack them now do it quickly!





                                                                                  the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qub la la la on May 18, 2009, 11:47:03 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 18, 2009, 10:12:54 PM
Rostrevor beat Bryansford by a point.

i heard bryansford were winning by two when with the last kick eamon mcconville kicked the ball into the square and the 'ford keeper let the ball in through his legs to give rostrevor a one point win. Bryansford full forward then reminded the keeper that he was "the worst in the county".
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 19, 2009, 01:17:34 AM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on May 18, 2009, 10:28:05 PM


Those grapes seem to be of the sour variety Bridge Lad.  8)

Downpatrick beat Glasdrumman 0-10 to 0-08 tonight in Division 2.

Any word on the Ford and Rostrevor game?
[/quote]

Nah not sour grapes mate, he was really bad, as i said Town deserved to win, the bridge werent good, they were only missing six tonight!  :P :P
But seriously that man is a disgrace! Somebody should be there to see these guys!
[/quote]

The Bridge were winning with ten to go and i felt we were well in with a shout but for some blatant refereeing decisions by that tube eugene.. Its annoys me that  he has the same surname as me.. :-[.. I have never seen a more blatant performance by a referee and that includes Declan Moores semi-final in 2000!!!!!!!
Bridge lad-From our starting 15 we were missing Liam Coulter, Gavin Barry, Conor Garvey, John Caldwell, Ronan Sexton, Noel Sexton, Eoghan Woods and Benny Coulter :o :o :o

Darren Fegan played well in midfield for us while Mickey Walsh had a great game on the 40!!! He must have scored 5 or 6 points for us!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 19, 2009, 02:28:58 AM
Bryansford 0-11
Rostrevor 1-9

We were very lucky to win this to be honest, although we did keep trying to play even when losing by 2 in injury time. Bryansford had been at least a point in front from about 25th min until the death and were hard done by with such a late goal, but thats football! Game wasn't the best, Conor Mackin scored a few good points for us and Timmy Hanna caught some good ball at midfield for the ford. The goal was a hopeful long ball from around the 45 which might have been touched by one of our men slightly although it was hard to see, and dropped right under the keep and into the net, literally the last kick! Bryansford are a useful side and they were still missing their county men. We were missing our 2 plus adrian mackin which was a big loss upfront. Suprised at the Bridge's defeat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on May 19, 2009, 09:24:07 AM
for the last two games loughinisland have been missing 11 of the first 15 that started championship final. All teams have injuries but this year it has been exceptional.Major players like A molloy, john mc carthy, john turley, ben o reilly to name a few.  To be fair with a bit of luck we could have won last night. We were level with ten to go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 19, 2009, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 19, 2009, 02:28:58 AM
Bryansford 0-11
Rostrevor 1-9

We were very lucky to win this to be honest, although we did keep trying to play even when losing by 2 in injury time. Bryansford had been at least a point in front from about 25th min until the death and were hard done by with such a late goal, but thats football! Game wasn't the best, Conor Mackin scored a few good points for us and Timmy Hanna caught some good ball at midfield for the ford. The goal was a hopeful long ball from around the 45 which might have been touched by one of our men slightly although it was hard to see, and dropped right under the keep and into the net, literally the last kick! Bryansford are a useful side and they were still missing their county men. We were missing our 2 plus adrian mackin which was a big loss upfront. Suprised at the Bridge's defeat.

Thought our full back gave an immense display last night - and he could not even make the under 21 panel!!
Good game and good to see con reynolds letting the game flow for both teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on May 19, 2009, 11:13:32 AM
Was at the game myself last night cause ours was cancelled and have to agree no.3 had a great game. As for the goal at the end these things happen and im sure you will have a good season this year, and i think Travers is still one of the best goalkeepers about and had made a great save just before the mistake, would you agree
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 19, 2009, 12:15:31 PM
Castlewellan 1-13 Mayobridge 0-10
19/05/2009

The final score line in this game doesn't really reflect the true nature of this game as visitors Mayobridge were well in the contest until the dying minutes when Castlewellan had a late scoring burst to seal the win. Conditions were very wet underfoot which made life difficult for both sides and the standard of play suffered as a consequence. Scores were hard to come by in the opening twenty minutes, at which stage the teams were level 0-3 apiece, the 'Bridge scorers being Kieran O'Hare, Darren Fegan and Ryan Brady. A poor defensive clearance in the twenty first minute went straight to midfielder Mark Stratton who had no difficulty firing over to give his side the lead. Michael Walsh, who once again showed the skill, class and work rate which is badly missing in the Down forward line, equalised in the twenty third minute but the Town replied with points from Damien McGrady and Colm Og Crilly to leave the half-time score 0-6 to 0-4 in the home sides favour.

The 'Bridge were quickly out of the blocks in the second half and scores from John Quinn and Michael Walsh levelled matters once again. However the home side soon forged ahead when the 'Bridge defence conceded two frees in quick succession and Ciaran McCabe and Fintan McGreevy converted both. The 'Bridge upped the tempo once more and three points from Michael Walsh put them a point in front with fifteen minutes left to play. Just as 'Bridge supporters were harbouring thoughts of another league victory, Castlewellan hit the front again with scores from Fintan McGreevy and Colm Crilly. Substitute Ciaran Bradley equalised in the fiftieth minute and the game was very much in the balance but then disaster struck for the visitors in the fifty sixth minute when a long ball into the 'Bridge defence was flicked to the net by Colm Flanagan and this effectively ended the game as a contest and two late points for the Town finished off the scoring.

While disappointed with losing this game the 'Bridge can be well satisfied with the effort and commitment shown and their cause was not helped by some, to put it mildly, baffling refereeing decisions which included a 'Bridge player being shown a black card which was done away with last week.

Mayobridge team and scorers: Shealan Strain, Caolan Lynchehaun, Brendan Grant, Seamus Grant, Conleth O'Hare, Shane O'Hare, Micheal Lively, Darren Fegan (0-1),Kieran O'Hare (0-1),Adrian Barry, Michael Walsh (0-5), Ryan Brady (0-1), Cathal Magee, Ronan O'Hare, John Quinn (0-1).

Subs used: Ciaran Bradley (0-1), Gavin Walsh.

Castlewellan scorers: Fintan McGreevy (0-4), Colm Flanagan (1-1), Colm Crilly (0-3), Ciaran McCabe (0-2), Damien McGrady (0-1), Luke Toner (0-1), Mark Stratton (0-1).

Referee: Eugene O'Hare (Dromara).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 19, 2009, 01:12:54 PM
Amallon - has Featherstone quit altogether?

Can't believe McCabe is back once more for the Town.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on May 19, 2009, 01:46:35 PM
Ive seen the Bridge a few times this season and on a number of occasions I thought they were sailing a bit close to the wind (1/2 point wins etc against reputedly weaker teams). So when they were ambushed by the Town I wasnt surprised - it was only a matter of time. Of course the Bridge were missing some key players but isnt every team at this time of the year for one reason or another? And the surface was in an awful state but didnt the Town play on it as well? And with a poor Bridge defensive display throughout the game, the long ball in eventually found its way into the Bridge net to leave a margin of 6 in it with little time left.

So not a lot left to blame except the ref???. I agree the ref wasnt at his usual best but conditions were difficult for him too. Letting the game flow is often applauded and on a number of ocassions I noticed the ref do just that - for eg, taking account of the conditions, the efforts being made to put a toe to the ball, the opposing players possibly fouling actions etc etc  - letting the play go on so that the game wasnt ruined by continuous stoppages. And that happened for both sides.

I think its a disgrace to attack the ref in the manner that he has been on this forum and Im sure its not reflective of the general attitude of the Bridge club. At the end of the day, 6 points is a comprehensive defeat & its no use blaming the ref. Thats the sort of stuff you hear on the go-games circuit for 7 & 8 year old!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 19, 2009, 02:19:27 PM
DaddyLongLegs - Castlewellan have a great record against us at home and even with full teams we have lost down there and I like yourself didn't expect a win last night either.  I had a meeting last night and didn't get to the game but spoke to a few people who were at after the game was over and they were raging with the refs performance.  Even the normally mild mannered ones weren't happy. 

Wobbler - Sean Featherstone is into Triathons now and doesn't bother with the football at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 19, 2009, 02:43:09 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on May 19, 2009, 01:46:35 PM
Ive seen the Bridge a few times this season and on a number of occasions I thought they were sailing a bit close to the wind (1/2 point wins etc against reputedly weaker teams). So when they were ambushed by the Town I wasnt surprised - it was only a matter of time. Of course the Bridge were missing some key players but isnt every team at this time of the year for one reason or another? And the surface was in an awful state but didnt the Town play on it as well? And with a poor Bridge defensive display throughout the game, the long ball in eventually found its way into the Bridge net to leave a margin of 6 in it with little time left.

So not a lot left to blame except the ref???. I agree the ref wasnt at his usual best but conditions were difficult for him too. Letting the game flow is often applauded and on a number of ocassions I noticed the ref do just that - for eg, taking account of the conditions, the efforts being made to put a toe to the ball, the opposing players possibly fouling actions etc etc  - letting the play go on so that the game wasnt ruined by continuous stoppages. And that happened for both sides.

I think its a disgrace to attack the ref in the manner that he has been on this forum and Im sure its not reflective of the general attitude of the Bridge club. At the end of the day, 6 points is a comprehensive defeat & its no use blaming the ref. Thats the sort of stuff you hear on the go-games circuit for 7 & 8 year old!

cue 'bridge retaliation!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 19, 2009, 03:20:10 PM
Kilcoo v Burren will now be swiched to Burren tonight as Pairc Eoghan Rua is unplayable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on May 19, 2009, 04:06:12 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 19, 2009, 03:20:10 PM
Kilcoo v Burren will now be swiched to Burren tonight as Pairc Eoghan Rua is unplayable.

what times throw in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 19, 2009, 04:06:55 PM
7.15 id say!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 19, 2009, 04:12:22 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 19, 2009, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 19, 2009, 02:28:58 AM
Bryansford 0-11
Rostrevor 1-9

We were very lucky to win this to be honest, although we did keep trying to play even when losing by 2 in injury time. Bryansford had been at least a point in front from about 25th min until the death and were hard done by with such a late goal, but thats football! Game wasn't the best, Conor Mackin scored a few good points for us and Timmy Hanna caught some good ball at midfield for the ford. The goal was a hopeful long ball from around the 45 which might have been touched by one of our men slightly although it was hard to see, and dropped right under the keep and into the net, literally the last kick! Bryansford are a useful side and they were still missing their county men. We were missing our 2 plus adrian mackin which was a big loss upfront. Suprised at the Bridge's defeat.

Thought our full back gave an immense display last night - and he could not even make the under 21 panel!!
Good game and good to see con reynolds letting the game flow for both teams.

Who was your fullback Spirit?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 19, 2009, 04:57:24 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on May 19, 2009, 01:46:35 PM
Ive seen the Bridge a few times this season and on a number of occasions I thought they were sailing a bit close to the wind (1/2 point wins etc against reputedly weaker teams). So when they were ambushed by the Town I wasnt surprised - it was only a matter of time. Of course the Bridge were missing some key players but isnt every team at this time of the year for one reason or another? And the surface was in an awful state but didnt the Town play on it as well? And with a poor Bridge defensive display throughout the game, the long ball in eventually found its way into the Bridge net to leave a margin of 6 in it with little time left.

So not a lot left to blame except the ref???. I agree the ref wasnt at his usual best but conditions were difficult for him too. Letting the game flow is often applauded and on a number of ocassions I noticed the ref do just that - for eg, taking account of the conditions, the efforts being made to put a toe to the ball, the opposing players possibly fouling actions etc etc  - letting the play go on so that the game wasnt ruined by continuous stoppages. And that happened for both sides.

I think its a disgrace to attack the ref in the manner that he has been on this forum and Im sure its not reflective of the general attitude of the Bridge club. At the end of the day, 6 points is a comprehensive defeat & its no use blaming the ref. Thats the sort of stuff you hear on the go-games circuit for 7 & 8 year old!
An ambush ;D ;D ::) ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 19, 2009, 05:23:02 PM
The Kilcoo v Burren fixture has now been postponed due to both clubs pitchs being unplayable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 19, 2009, 06:11:12 PM
are the minor games still on this evening does anyone know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on May 19, 2009, 06:24:38 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 19, 2009, 06:11:12 PM
are the minor games still on this evening does anyone know?

Clann na Banna v Loughinisland has been postponed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on May 19, 2009, 07:21:35 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on May 19, 2009, 01:46:35 PM
Ive seen the Bridge a few times this season and on a number of occasions I thought they were sailing a bit close to the wind (1/2 point wins etc against reputedly weaker teams). So when they were ambushed by the Town I wasnt surprised - it was only a matter of time. Of course the Bridge were missing some key players but isnt every team at this time of the year for one reason or another? And the surface was in an awful state but didnt the Town play on it as well? And with a poor Bridge defensive display throughout the game, the long ball in eventually found its way into the Bridge net to leave a margin of 6 in it with little time left.

So not a lot left to blame except the ref???. I agree the ref wasnt at his usual best but conditions were difficult for him too. Letting the game flow is often applauded and on a number of ocassions I noticed the ref do just that - for eg, taking account of the conditions, the efforts being made to put a toe to the ball, the opposing players possibly fouling actions etc etc  - letting the play go on so that the game wasnt ruined by continuous stoppages. And that happened for both sides.

I think its a disgrace to attack the ref in the manner that he has been on this forum and Im sure its not reflective of the general attitude of the Bridge club. At the end of the day, 6 points is a comprehensive defeat & its no use blaming the ref. Thats the sort of stuff you hear on the go-games circuit for 7 & 8 year old!
was talking to a few castlewellan boys after the match and they could not believe some off the refs decisions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on May 19, 2009, 09:19:23 PM
Ballymartin 1-9 Darragh Cross 1-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on May 19, 2009, 09:28:38 PM
Dundrum 0:5 4:15 Ardglass.
Referee played second half very sort.
Conditions very slippy.
Good luck to both teams in the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on May 20, 2009, 09:11:54 AM
Its a squad game!:P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 20, 2009, 01:44:09 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on May 19, 2009, 04:12:22 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 19, 2009, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 19, 2009, 02:28:58 AM
Bryansford 0-11
Rostrevor 1-9

We were very lucky to win this to be honest, although we did keep trying to play even when losing by 2 in injury time. Bryansford had been at least a point in front from about 25th min until the death and were hard done by with such a late goal, but thats football! Game wasn't the best, Conor Mackin scored a few good points for us and Timmy Hanna caught some good ball at midfield for the ford. The goal was a hopeful long ball from around the 45 which might have been touched by one of our men slightly although it was hard to see, and dropped right under the keep and into the net, literally the last kick! Bryansford are a useful side and they were still missing their county men. We were missing our 2 plus adrian mackin which was a big loss upfront. Suprised at the Bridge's defeat.

Thought our full back gave an immense display last night - and he could not even make the under 21 panel!!
Good game and good to see con reynolds letting the game flow for both teams.

Who was your fullback Spirit?

Brian King - ex College All Star
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 20, 2009, 09:45:00 PM
Video package of Dundrum's La na gClub Day and the the dedication of Pairc Sean O'Caoilte

http://ulster.gaa.ie/landofthegiants/2009/05/18/dundrum-name-their-grounds-after-jack-kielty-on-club-day/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 20, 2009, 11:01:35 PM
Hurling results-

Bredagh 1-11 1-13 Ballela
Shamrocks 3-16 1-3 Warrenpoint
Kilclief 3-9 1-18 Ballycran
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 21, 2009, 01:49:12 AM
Quote from: dundroma on May 19, 2009, 09:28:38 PM
Dundrum 0:5 4:15 Ardglass.
Referee played second half very sort.

What competition was this game in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 21, 2009, 09:22:10 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on May 21, 2009, 01:49:12 AM
Quote from: dundroma on May 19, 2009, 09:28:38 PM
Dundrum 0:5 4:15 Ardglass.
Referee played second half very sort.

What competition was this game in?

Minor I think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on May 21, 2009, 08:32:49 PM
Does any of our Loughinisland posters know if your reserve match is on this weekend.  I think we are supposed to play you in this round of fixtures but it our match wasn't in the Irish News and the dates aren't on the county website?

Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on May 21, 2009, 09:54:38 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 20, 2009, 09:45:00 PM
Video package of Dundrum's La na gClub Day and the the dedication of Pairc Sean O'Caoilte

http://ulster.gaa.ie/landofthegiants/2009/05/18/dundrum-name-their-grounds-after-jack-kielty-on-club-day/

nice footage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 21, 2009, 10:05:06 PM
(http://www.sys-sol.net/STUFF/GAAQuizNight.GIF)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on May 21, 2009, 10:27:23 PM
Quote from: cloneman on May 21, 2009, 08:32:49 PM
Does any of our Loughinisland posters know if your reserve match is on this weekend.  I think we are supposed to play you in this round of fixtures but it our match wasn't in the Irish News and the dates aren't on the county website?

Cheers

Unless things have changed today, we were told the reseve match against yourselves is on on this weekend. Don't have the times of the match yet though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on May 21, 2009, 10:50:40 PM
Down SFL Division 1
Rostrevor V Burren  Rostrevor
Longstone V Saval  Longstone 
Clonduff V Mayobridge Mayobridge
Kilcoo V Bryansford  Kilcoo
Liatriom V Loughinisland Liatroim 
Castlewellan V Warrenpoint Castlewellan   

Down SFL Division 2
Carryduff V Atticall  Attical
Downpatrick V Shamrocks Downpatrick 
Darragh Cross V Ballyholland Ballyholland   
An Riocht V Ballymartin An Riocht 
Annaclone V Kilclief Annaclone   
Clann na Banna V Glasdrumman Clann na Banna   

Down SFL Division 3
Glenn V St Pauls Glenn 
Drumaness V Ardglass Ardglass   
Dundrum V St Johns Dundrum   
Teconnaught V Aghaderg Teconnaught 
?Saul V Agharderg? Aghaderg fielding two teams? However if Saul play Bredagh, i tip Bredagh
Tullylish V Drumgath  Tullylish

Down SFL Division 4
St John Bosco  Dromara Bosco
Mitchels  BallykinlarMitchels   
Bright  St Michaels St Michaels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on May 22, 2009, 12:11:19 AM
An Riocht V Ballymartin switched to Ballymartin!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 22, 2009, 09:03:06 AM
Annaclone V Kilclief switched to Kilclief.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 22, 2009, 04:03:07 PM
are games still 7.15 throw in for this round? or has it moved to half?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 22, 2009, 04:08:05 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 22, 2009, 04:03:07 PM
are games still 7.15 throw in for this round? or has it moved to half?

7.15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 22, 2009, 08:48:47 PM
Liatroim won by 2, good start by the fontenoys!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on May 22, 2009, 09:00:33 PM
TEAM 1    SCORE   TEAM 2      VENUE            REFEREE       
Dundrum 1-8  2-8   St Johns    DUNDRUM     ALAN GRANT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 22, 2009, 09:11:50 PM
Bransford beat Kilcoo by a point. Cracking game, Ford winnin by 8 at half time and kilcoo put two of there better players on in second half and made a great comback. Only for a cheating Ford linesman Kilcoo would likely would have snached a draw. This has makings of a great championship clash in August. Timmy Hanna was outstanding for ford. Great player who deserves a county call up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 22, 2009, 09:14:19 PM
Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Rostrevor  0-6 1-14 Burren  Rostrevor Round 7   
Longstone  3-17 1-10 Saval  Longstone Round 7 

Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Darragh Cross  0-8 3-14 Ballyholland  Darragh Cross Round 7 
An Riocht  0-16 1-7 Ballymartin  Ballymartin Round 7 

Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Dundrum  1-8 2-8 St Johns  Dundrum Round 7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 22, 2009, 09:14:56 PM
Glenn 1:15 St. pauls 0:07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 22, 2009, 09:17:23 PM
Rostrevor 0-6
Burren 1-14

SHITE performance from rostrevor should be ashamed of themselves
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 22, 2009, 09:35:37 PM
Div3 result

Tullylish 0-10
Drumgath 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on May 22, 2009, 09:36:25 PM
Bridge beat the yellas 1 15 to 2 9. Bridge lucky to get out of this with a win! Needed Noel Sexton to come off the bench to help things! If Clonduff can play like that tonight they should get out of trouble soon! Although they prob upped their game cos it was us! Interesting to see the Burren result!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 22, 2009, 09:39:09 PM
Saul 1-6 Bredagh 3-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on May 22, 2009, 09:44:15 PM

Tullylish 0-10
Drumgath 0-10

what happened to Tullylish tonight.
what team had to come back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 22, 2009, 09:45:55 PM
Liatriom  2-8 1-9 Loughinisland 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 22, 2009, 09:48:54 PM
Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Rostrevor  0-6 1-14 Burren  Rostrevor Round 7   
Longstone  3-17 1-10 Saval  Longstone Round 7 
Clonduff  2-10 1-15 Mayobridge  Clonduff Round 7 
Kilcoo  2-12 1-17 Bryansford  Kilcoo Round 7 
Liatriom  2-8 1-9 Loughinisland  Liatriom Round 7 
Castlewellan  0-14 1-8 Warrenpoint  Castlewellan Round 7 

Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Atticall  2-12 0-11 Carryduff  Atticall Round 7 
Downpatrick  1-11 1-4 Shamrocks  Downpatrick Round 7 
Darragh Cross  0-8 3-14 Ballyholland  Darragh Cross Round 7 
An Riocht  0-16 1-7 Ballymartin  Ballymartin Round 7 
Annaclone  2-14 0-8 Kilclief  Annaclone Round 7 

Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Glenn  1-15 0-7 St Pauls  Glenn Round 7 
Drumaness  2-8 2-11 Ardglass  Drumaness Round 7 
Dundrum  1-8 2-8 St Johns  Dundrum Round 7 
Teconnaught  0-7 1-6 Aghaderg  Teconnaught Round 7 
Tullylish  0-10 0-10 Drumgath  Tullylish Round 7
Saul 1-06  Bredagh 3-14

Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Mitchels  1-17 0-8 Ballykinlar  Mitchels Round 7 
Bright  0-13 2-13 St Michaels  Bright Round 7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on May 22, 2009, 09:54:33 PM
Quote from: dundroma on May 22, 2009, 09:44:15 PM

Tullylish 0-10
Drumgath 0-10

what happened to Tullylish tonight.
what team had to come back

Drumgath were 10-6 ahead , dundroma, but tullylish came back to force the draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on May 22, 2009, 09:55:19 PM
Teconnaught  0-7 1-6 Aghaderg  Teconnaught Round 7

what happened to TECONNAUGHT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on May 22, 2009, 09:56:33 PM


Drumgath were 10-6 ahead , dundroma, but tullylish came back to force the draw.


CHEERS TORGAEL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on May 22, 2009, 10:00:39 PM
Bryansford beat us by a point tonight was a great game two good teams with some great scores from both sidescould have been a draw as handy bt to be fair it wold have been a bit harsh on the ford as the ref had very poor game. some stout boy called tumelty never saw him before
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 22, 2009, 10:17:44 PM
P   W   D   L   Pts    SD   Teams
7   6   0   1   12     19   Castlewellan
7   5   1   1   11     17   Mayobridge
7   5   0   2   10      8   Rostrevor
7   4   1   2     9     25   Longstone
7   4   1   2     9     21   Liatroim
6   4   1   1     9      9   Burren
7   3   2   2     8     10   Bryansford
6   3   0   3     6      6   Kilcoo
7   2   0   5     4   -29   Saval
7   1   1   5     3   -19   Clonduff
7   0   1   6     1   -44   Warrenpoint
7   0   0   7     0   -23   Loughinisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 22, 2009, 10:33:28 PM
Division 3

           P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Tullylish 7 5 1 1 87 71 16 11
------------------------------
St Johns 7 5 1 1 87 73 14 11
Glenn 7 5 2 0 100 67 33 10
------------------------------
Ardglass 7 4 2 1 104 94 10 9
Drumgath 7 4 2 1 87 78 9 9
Bredagh 6 4 2 0 98 71 27 8
Dundrum 7 2 3 2 89 85 4 6
Teconnaught 7 2 3 2 64 72 -8 6
-------------------------------
Saul 7 2 3 2 90 103 -13 6
Drumaness 6 1 5 0 72 87 -15 2
St Pauls 7 1 6 0 64 98 -34 2
------------------------------
Aghaderg 7 1 6 0 65 108 -43 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 22, 2009, 11:28:57 PM
Or
Pd  W    D      L      Pts
7   5   1   1   11   Tullylish*
7   5   1   1   11   St Johns
7   5   0   2   10   Glenn
7   4   1   2   9   Drumgath*
7   4   1   2   9   Ardglass
6   4   0   2   8   Bredagh
7   2   2   3   6   Dundrum*
7   2   2   3   6   Saul
7   2   2   3   6   Teconnaght
7   1   0   6   2   St Pauls
7   1   0   6   2   Aghaderg
6   1   0   5   2   Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the derg on May 23, 2009, 12:32:44 PM
Aghaderg had their fist win of the season on friday some posters on here seen to think that we will be the whipping boys of div 3 but we are a small club who rely heavily on a number of individuals but  i can tell you all if we have our full team out and we begin to get a wee bit of confidence then we will survive in that division it will be interesting to see how we do against our "superior" neighbours next FRIDAY maybe we should give them the points !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on May 24, 2009, 07:58:27 PM
Watching the match earlier on there on TV, anyone of yous know what the craic is with the numbers on the back of the monaghan jerseys??? Was it mentioned on commentary and i missed it or what?? :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on May 24, 2009, 08:13:18 PM
Yes- they have copied the Irish Rugby team and made the numbers from the names of the players and coaching staff. Ireland did it from names of supporters who contacted one of the sponsors, and therefore they were able to say they had the nation behind them.Everyone will be at it although it was more successful for Ireland than the farney men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 24, 2009, 09:02:44 PM
Fixtures for the next week

Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Kilcoo  Burren  Kilcoo 25/05/2009 19:15 Leo Smith Round 6 
Saval  Rostrevor  Saval 29/05/2009 19:30 Liam Morgan Round 8 
Loughinisland  Kilcoo  Loughinisland 29/05/2009 19:30 Con Reynolds Round 8 
Burren  Clonduff  Castlewellan 29/05/2009 19:30 Eugene O Hare Round 8 
Mayobridge  Longstone  Mayobridge 29/05/2009 19:30 D Brogan Round 8 
Bryansford  Castlewellan  Bryansford 29/05/2009 19:30 Ciaran Brannigan Round 8 
Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Ballyholland  Downpatrick  Ballyholland 28/05/2009 19:30 Michael Devlin Round 8 
Shamrocks  Carryduff  Shamrocks 29/05/2009 19:30 TBC Round 8 
Glasdrumman  Annaclone  Glasdrumman 29/05/2009 19:30 Neill Cousins Round 8 
Kilclief  An Riocht  Kilclief 29/05/2009 19:30 Gavin Corrigan Round 8 
Atticall  Darragh Cross  Atticall 29/05/2009 19:30 Mickey Curran Round 8 
Ballymartin  Clann na Banna  Ballymartin 29/05/2009 19:30 Gabriel Tummelty Round 8 
Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Ardglass  Glenn  Ardglass 29/05/2009 19:30 Gerard Brannigan St Johns Round 8 
Drumgath  Saul  Drumgath 29/05/2009 19:30 Paul Preece Round 8 
Bredagh  Teconnaught  Bredagh 29/05/2009 19:30 Paul Brownlee Round 8 
St Pauls  Dundrum  St Pauls 29/05/2009 19:30 Peter O Reilly Round 8 
St Johns  Drumaness  St Johns 29/05/2009 19:30 Martin Rawlinson Round 8 
Aghaderg  Tullylish  Aghaderg 29/05/2009 19:30 Hugh Pat McCusker Round 8 
ACHL Division 1 
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Kilclief  Portaferry  Kilclief 25/05/2009 19:30 Ned Morgan   
Ballycran  Warrenpoint  Ballycran 27/05/2009 19:30 Conal Coulter   
ACHL Division 2
Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment
Carryduff  Ballycran  Carryduff 27/05/2009 19:30 Eamon Mulvenna   
Warrenpoint  Ballyvarley  Warrenpoint 27/05/2009 19:30 Kieran Mc Guinness   
Portaferry  Ballygalget  Portaferry 27/05/2009 19:30 Hugh Torney   
Clonduff  Castlewellan  Clonduff 27/05/2009 19:30 Brendan Cousins
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 24, 2009, 09:15:19 PM
Any reports from the Down v Dublin challenge at Carryduff today ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on May 24, 2009, 09:20:52 PM
Square Ball r there no games listed for Div 4 this week?
Yeah was just wondering that myself Mourne, will be interesting to hear what sort of team Ross put out + more interestingly what his gameplan was....if any!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 24, 2009, 09:33:40 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on May 24, 2009, 09:20:52 PM
Square Ball r there no games listed for Div 4 this week?
Yeah was just wondering that myself Mourne, will be interesting to hear what sort of team Ross put out + more interestingly what his gameplan was....if any!!!!

Nothing on the Down site, find that strange unless its a free week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on May 24, 2009, 09:45:08 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on May 24, 2009, 08:13:18 PM
Yes- they have copied the Irish Rugby team and made the numbers from the names of the players and coaching staff. Ireland did it from names of supporters who contacted one of the sponsors, and therefore they were able to say they had the nation behind them.Everyone will be at it although it was more successful for Ireland than the farney men.

Thanks for clearing that up for me! :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on May 24, 2009, 09:47:49 PM
Strange indeed, hopefully not a free week as we have just had our bye on friday and wouldnt like to go another week without competitive football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on May 25, 2009, 12:21:55 AM
Friday May 29 (7.30pm)
ACFL Division 4
Aughlisnafin v St Michael's (P Gelston)
Bright v Ballykinlar (M Lynch)
Sunday May 31 (2pm)
ACFL Division 4
Mitchels v Dromara (L Smyth)
Monday June 1 (7.30pm)
ACFL Division 4
St John Bosco v Dromara (D Ryan)




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 25, 2009, 01:46:28 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on May 22, 2009, 10:00:39 PM
Bryansford beat us by a point tonight was a great game two good teams with some great scores from both sidescould have been a draw as handy bt to be fair it wold have been a bit harsh on the ford as the ref had very poor game. some stout boy called tumelty never saw him before

Barry Andrews - a joke!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 25, 2009, 01:58:47 PM
According to the Reservoir Dubs website, Dublin beat Down by 2-19 to 1-10 at Carryduff yesterday. The Dubs apparently fielded an entirely different team in the second half, and one poster described Down as `awful'. Just to put it in some context, Dublin also had a challenge away to Mayo on Friday night and won 0-15 to 0-12.

It was always going to be tough for Down to respond to the Enniskillen defeat so quickly, but losing by 12 points at home,even in a friendly, especially if Dublin played their reserves after the break, does not sound good. Does anyone have an idea of our line-up ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on May 25, 2009, 02:50:14 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 25, 2009, 01:58:47 PM
According to the Reservoir Dubs website, Dublin beat Down by 2-19 to 1-10 at Carryduff yesterday. The Dubs apparently fielded an entirely different team in the second half, and one poster described Down as `awful'. Just to put it in some context, Dublin also had a challenge away to Mayo on Friday night and won 0-15 to 0-12.

It was always going to be tough for Down to respond to the Enniskillen defeat so quickly, but losing by 12 points at home,even in a friendly, especially if Dublin played their reserves after the break, does not sound good. Does anyone have an idea of our line-up ?

That was a home game for Dublin v. Mayo played at Portmarkock and they won using 17 subs!  report of it here http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/gilroys-men-hit-last-five-points-to-edge-omahonys-men-1749207.html?r=RSS (http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaelic-football/gilroys-men-hit-last-five-points-to-edge-omahonys-men-1749207.html?r=RSS)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on May 25, 2009, 04:11:37 PM
I too would be interested to know what our lineup was..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 25, 2009, 04:16:52 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on May 25, 2009, 04:11:37 PM
I too would be interested to know what our lineup was..

From a hoganstand contributor so not gospel by any means:

Down v Dublin Challenge Game - 24th May, Carryduff
Down starting team vs Dublin
1) Michael McAllister
2) Luke Howard
3) Kevin McKernan
4) Colm Murney
5) Declan Rooney
6) John Boyle
7) Damien Rafferty
8) Dan Gordan
9) Jackie Lynch
10) Ronan Sexton
11) Danny Hughes
12) John Fegan
13) Peter Fitzpatrick
14) Gareth Johnston
15) Ronan Sexton

Peter Turley, Hugh Davey, Kieran Gordan, Stephen Kearney all came on plus a few more i think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on May 25, 2009, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 25, 2009, 04:16:52 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on May 25, 2009, 04:11:37 PM
I too would be interested to know what our lineup was..

From a hoganstand contributor so not gospel by any means:

Down v Dublin Challenge Game - 24th May, Carryduff
Down starting team vs Dublin
1) Michael McAllister
2) Luke Howard
3) Kevin McKernan
4) Colm Murney
5) Declan Rooney
6) John Boyle
7) Damien Rafferty
8) Dan Gordan
9) Jackie Lynch
10) Ronan Sexton
11) Danny Hughes
12) John Fegan
13) Peter Fitzpatrick
14) Gareth Johnston
15) Ronan Sexton

Peter Turley, Hugh Davey, Kieran Gordan, Stephen Kearney all came on plus a few more i think

Ronan Sexton is some man for one man!   I assume the poster meant 15 was Ronan Murtagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on May 25, 2009, 05:23:49 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on May 25, 2009, 12:21:55 AM
Friday May 29 (7.30pm)
ACFL Division 4
Aughlisnafin v St Michael's (P Gelston)
Bright v Ballykinlar (M Lynch)
Sunday May 31 (2pm)
ACFL Division 4
Mitchels v Dromara (L Smyth)
Monday June 1 (7.30pm)
ACFL Division 4
St John Bosco v Dromara (D Ryan)

Cheers Out in Front, Bit harsh on Dromara having to play 2 days in a row, how come their Series 8 match v Mitchels is on sunday instead of friday night?



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 25, 2009, 08:45:05 PM
Division one result

Kilcoo 1-13 Burren 0-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 25, 2009, 09:47:59 PM
Divison 1 result: Bredagh 4-10 1-09 Warrenpoint.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on May 26, 2009, 12:15:16 AM
Kilcoo V Burren:Mid Down Gael - what sort of game was it?

On another note, Unfortunately the down management are still in place despite an overwhelming vote of No Confidence at thursday night's meeting. Bell decided to over rule the democratic decision of giving them the boot!!

At the players meeting wednesday night, the management team heard a few home truth's. The players are now conferring with each other and it's now a situation of the 'management' V 'some of the players'. Complete lack of trust in the management team at present and the only way for progress will be under new leadership. Irrespective of who will get the job in 2010 they couldnt be much worse than what's already there.

Last Sunday cost the board approximately £10,000 between fines, travel expenses and food! the classic lifted £12,000. It's an absolute disgrace but the saga continues. As a geniune gael, im completely frustrated. I contribute to the supporter's club funds, as well as the new club down initiative and my hard earned cash is being used to cover the cost of certain people behaving very irresponsibly!! It pains me to say but our county board are letting them away with it so I guess they deserve everything they get, it's a political minefield!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on May 26, 2009, 12:22:57 AM
Quote from: marsbarkid on May 25, 2009, 05:23:49 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on May 25, 2009, 12:21:55 AM
Friday May 29 (7.30pm)
ACFL Division 4
Aughlisnafin v St Michael's (P Gelston)
Bright v Ballykinlar (M Lynch)
Sunday May 31 (2pm)
ACFL Division 4
Mitchels v Dromara (L Smyth)
Monday June 1 (7.30pm)
ACFL Division 4
St John Bosco v Dromara (D Ryan)

Cheers Out in Front, Bit harsh on Dromara having to play 2 days in a row, how come their Series 8 match v Mitchels is on sunday instead of friday night?




My error marsbarkid - it's Friday and Monday Dromara play (both at 7.30pm) - Sunday May 31 was the next line in the fixtures...got a bit mixed up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 26, 2009, 07:51:54 AM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on May 26, 2009, 12:15:16 AM
Kilcoo V Burren:Mid Down Gael - what sort of game was it?

On another note, Unfortunately the down management are still in place despite an overwhelming vote of No Confidence at thursday night's meeting. Bell decided to over rule the democratic decision of giving them the boot!!

At the players meeting wednesday night, the management team heard a few home truth's. The players are now conferring with each other and it's now a situation of the 'management' V 'some of the players'. Complete lack of trust in the management team at present and the only way for progress will be under new leadership. Irrespective of who will get the job in 2010 they couldnt be much worse than what's already there.

Last Sunday cost the board approximately £10,000 between fines, travel expenses and food! the classic lifted £12,000. It's an absolute disgrace but the saga continues. As a geniune gael, im completely frustrated. I contribute to the supporter's club funds, as well as the new club down initiative and my hard earned cash is being used to cover the cost of certain people behaving very irresponsibly!! It pains me to say but our county board are letting them away with it so I guess they deserve everything they get, it's a political minefield!!

Was a very entertaining game considering it rained throughout. Very fast fotball and the play was end to end. Kilcoo had 14 men for 45 minutes of the game loosing a player to a straight red but Burren failed to use their extra man to their advantage. Leo Smith done his best to spoil it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on May 26, 2009, 06:00:52 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 26, 2009, 07:51:54 AM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on May 26, 2009, 12:15:16 AM
Kilcoo V Burren:Mid Down Gael - what sort of game was it?

On another note, Unfortunately the down management are still in place despite an overwhelming vote of No Confidence at thursday night's meeting. Bell decided to over rule the democratic decision of giving them the boot!!

At the players meeting wednesday night, the management team heard a few home truth's. The players are now conferring with each other and it's now a situation of the 'management' V 'some of the players'. Complete lack of trust in the management team at present and the only way for progress will be under new leadership. Irrespective of who will get the job in 2010 they couldnt be much worse than what's already there.

Last Sunday cost the board approximately £10,000 between fines, travel expenses and food! the classic lifted £12,000. It's an absolute disgrace but the saga continues. As a geniune gael, im completely frustrated. I contribute to the supporter's club funds, as well as the new club down initiative and my hard earned cash is being used to cover the cost of certain people behaving very irresponsibly!! It pains me to say but our county board are letting them away with it so I guess they deserve everything they get, it's a political minefield!!

Was a very entertaining game considering it rained throughout. Very fast fotball and the play was end to end. Kilcoo had 14 men for 45 minutes of the game loosing a player to a straight red but Burren failed to use their extra man to their advantage. Leo Smith done his best to spoil it.


Was Eoin Mc Cartan playing for Burren, or is he still out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 26, 2009, 06:30:16 PM
who was in burrens full foward line?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on May 26, 2009, 06:54:57 PM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on May 26, 2009, 12:15:16 AM
Kilcoo V Burren:Mid Down Gael - what sort of game was it?

On another note, Unfortunately the down management are still in place despite an overwhelming vote of No Confidence at thursday night's meeting. Bell decided to over rule the democratic decision of giving them the boot!!

At the players meeting wednesday night, the management team heard a few home truth's. The players are now conferring with each other and it's now a situation of the 'management' V 'some of the players'. Complete lack of trust in the management team at present and the only way for progress will be under new leadership. Irrespective of who will get the job in 2010 they couldnt be much worse than what's already there.

Last Sunday cost the board approximately £10,000 between fines, travel expenses and food! the classic lifted £12,000. It's an absolute disgrace but the saga continues. As a geniune gael, im completely frustrated. I contribute to the supporter's club funds, as well as the new club down initiative and my hard earned cash is being used to cover the cost of certain people behaving very irresponsibly!! It pains me to say but our county board are letting them away with it so I guess they deserve everything they get, it's a political minefield!!

cant have any issues with feeding and transporting our players to the game but the fine is scandalous. scandalous that those in charge were not careful to avoid being penalized and scandalous because the fine is excessive. what you say about management vs some players is very worrying but not unexpected given the treatment of some ex members of the panel ie. john clarke. training throughout the off season was unnecessary and i believe that starting an injured benny against fermanagh sent those on the subs bench their own message of no confidence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on May 26, 2009, 08:24:59 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on May 26, 2009, 12:22:57 AM
Quote from: marsbarkid on May 25, 2009, 05:23:49 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on May 25, 2009, 12:21:55 AM
Friday May 29 (7.30pm)
ACFL Division 4
Aughlisnafin v St Michael's (P Gelston)
Bright v Ballykinlar (M Lynch)
Sunday May 31 (2pm)
ACFL Division 4
Mitchels v Dromara (L Smyth)
Monday June 1 (7.30pm)
ACFL Division 4
St John Bosco v Dromara (D Ryan)

Cheers Out in Front, Bit harsh on Dromara having to play 2 days in a row, how come their Series 8 match v Mitchels is on sunday instead of friday night?




My error marsbarkid - it's Friday and Monday Dromara play (both at 7.30pm) - Sunday May 31 was the next line in the fixtures...got a bit mixed up.
Thanks for clearing that up Out in Front, was kind of hoping Dromara did have to play 2 days in a row, they,re our main rivals for 5th place in Div4  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 26, 2009, 09:31:02 PM
The Burren full forward line was Cathal Murdock, Anton McArdle and James McGovern. Eoin McCartan was no where to be seen so i presume he is still out long term.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on May 26, 2009, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 26, 2009, 09:31:02 PM
The Burren full forward line was Cathal Murdock, Anton McArdle and James McGovern. Eoin McCartan was no where to be seen so i presume he is still out long term.

He has had no luck with injuries at all!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 27, 2009, 12:27:18 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 26, 2009, 09:31:02 PM
The Burren full forward line was Cathal Murdock, Anton McArdle and James McGovern. Eoin McCartan was no where to be seen so i presume he is still out long term.


Is Cathal Murdock not a goalkeeper....seems to  be Burren thing. I remember a big guy called Brian Laverty who played in goals all his life and they turned him into an All Ireland winning club midfielder :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 27, 2009, 01:32:43 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 26, 2009, 09:31:02 PM
The Burren full forward line was Cathal Murdock, Anton McArdle and James McGovern. Eoin McCartan was no where to be seen so i presume he is still out long term.

were toner and mckernan playing? if so, where? these two and mcgovern were immense in the full foward line against us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 27, 2009, 12:22:46 PM
Can anyone tell me who is the Paddy Mohan who has been lining out at full-back for Burren this season???????????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 27, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
He is one of their new recruits! Hes from fermanagh, think he played for fermanagh a few seasons ago?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on May 27, 2009, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 27, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
He is one of their new recruits! Hes from fermanagh, think he played for fermanagh a few seasons ago?
Where has he parked the old caravan then? How did Loughinisland miss out on him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 27, 2009, 01:44:39 PM

Quote from: gorm agus bui on May 27, 2009, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 27, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
He is one of their new recruits! Hes from fermanagh, think he played for fermanagh a few seasons ago?
Where has he parked the old caravan then? How did Loughinisland miss out on him?

:D

not sure just know hes from there!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on May 27, 2009, 01:46:47 PM
How come players from outside the county who move to Down always end up in either the Burren vacinity or the Loughinisland vacinity? Is there some sort of weekly wage packet going on with these players or what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 27, 2009, 01:56:08 PM
That is very unfair on Loughinisland.

They only target and take players from other clubs within the county.

;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FermGael on May 27, 2009, 02:02:10 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 27, 2009, 12:22:46 PM
Can anyone tell me who is the Paddy Mohan who has been lining out at full-back for Burren this season???????????
Quote from: supersub on May 27, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
He is one of their new recruits! Hes from fermanagh, think he played for fermanagh a few seasons ago?

.
Paddy was in the Fermanagh panel last year and is a very good full back.
Still county standard IMO but i would say the travelling probably got too much
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on May 27, 2009, 02:34:59 PM
Quote from: FermGael on May 27, 2009, 02:02:10 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 27, 2009, 12:22:46 PM
Can anyone tell me who is the Paddy Mohan who has been lining out at full-back for Burren this season???????????
Quote from: supersub on May 27, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
He is one of their new recruits! Hes from fermanagh, think he played for fermanagh a few seasons ago?

.
Paddy was in the Fermanagh panel last year and is a very good full back.
Still county standard IMO but i would say the travelling probably got too much

What a coincidence  :D  His county of residence has a shortage of good full backs   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FermGael on May 27, 2009, 02:53:52 PM
Quote from: western exile on May 27, 2009, 02:34:59 PM
Quote from: FermGael on May 27, 2009, 02:02:10 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 27, 2009, 12:22:46 PM
Can anyone tell me who is the Paddy Mohan who has been lining out at full-back for Burren this season???????????
Quote from: supersub on May 27, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
He is one of their new recruits! Hes from fermanagh, think he played for fermanagh a few seasons ago?
What a coincidence  :D  His county of residence has a shortage of good full backs   ;)
Fermanagh county board and down county board have come to a secret arrangement.
We have an over supply of backs and Down forwards.
Paddy is the first exchange.
Brookeborough will be getting Micky Walsh at the start of next year :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 27, 2009, 03:28:58 PM
Anyone playing a high standard of club football in Down deserves to be considered for our county defence, although the last experiment with an outsider, Scullion from Ballyscullion in Derry, did not really work. I believe that Turley is worth an extended run, although we do not have many other options anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 27, 2009, 03:43:56 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on May 27, 2009, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 27, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
He is one of their new recruits! Hes from fermanagh, think he played for fermanagh a few seasons ago?
Where has he parked the old caravan then? How did Loughinisland miss out on him?

Is he a Mohan from Burren hill or the other Mohans from Aughnamoria ;D ;D ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on May 27, 2009, 05:23:26 PM
All Welcome!

www.magheralinmusicfestival.com
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 27, 2009, 09:14:42 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 27, 2009, 03:43:56 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on May 27, 2009, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 27, 2009, 01:26:18 PM
He is one of their new recruits! Hes from fermanagh, think he played for fermanagh a few seasons ago?
Where has he parked the old caravan then? How did Loughinisland miss out on him?

Is he a Mohan from Burren hill or the other Mohans from Aughnamoria ;D ;D ;D :D ;)

think hes from cedar mews on the ouskirts of burren  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on May 27, 2009, 10:16:52 PM
Great to see big magic back in the senior panel he offers something completely different to the team.... not sure what it is though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 28, 2009, 08:52:10 AM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on May 27, 2009, 10:16:52 PM
Great to see big magic back in the senior panel he offers something completely different to the team.... not sure what it is though

good looks   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on May 28, 2009, 01:44:47 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on May 27, 2009, 10:16:52 PM
Great to see big magic back in the senior panel he offers something completely different to the team.... not sure what it is though


Is that you Ross?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 28, 2009, 01:48:46 PM
Quote from: The Worker on May 27, 2009, 05:23:26 PM
All Welcome!

www.magheralinmusicfestival.com

A good excuse for the Magherlin boys to go on a 4 day bender ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 28, 2009, 03:08:36 PM
Bridge game in Langstan tonight at 7.30pm? Anyone confirm? Think I might head up to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 28, 2009, 03:10:38 PM
Yeah its in the Stone, should be a good game!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on May 28, 2009, 05:28:53 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 28, 2009, 01:48:46 PM
Quote from: The Worker on May 27, 2009, 05:23:26 PM
All Welcome!

www.magheralinmusicfestival.com

A good excuse for the Magherlin boys to go on a 4 day bender ;D ;D ;D ;D

Just be a normal weekend then!!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 28, 2009, 05:47:06 PM
I heard from a Bridge source that their fixture with Longstone is tomorrow night not tonight.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 28, 2009, 06:13:08 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 28, 2009, 05:47:06 PM
I heard from a Bridge source that their fixture with Longstone is tomorrow night not tonight.



yeah its tommorrow night at 7.30!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 28, 2009, 08:31:28 PM
Just saw on the Mayo hurling thread that Down hurlers are only 'allowed' to train on Páirc Esler in Newry at certain times. This can't be right?? Then again, our own county board wouldn't give a shit about hurling either. Either way, Down will probably beat Mayo again this year. (I was in Longford for the u-21 semi). I also thought that ye were going to be dark-horses in the Ulster championship as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on May 28, 2009, 09:17:24 PM
Atticall 1-9  Darragh Cross 2-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 28, 2009, 09:39:40 PM
Down minor team to face Cavan on Sat. Unchanged from preliminary round.

1.james Deeney Dún Phadraig
2.Ryan Doran An Ghlásdromainn
3.Shane McNamee Droichead Mhaigh Eo
4.Darragh OHanlan Cill Chua
5.Kevin McClorey Droichead Mhaigh Eo
6.Ciaran McClean Cill Chua
7.Patrick Boyle Caisleán an Mhuillin
8.Caolan Mooney Caisleán Ruairi
9.Niall McParland An Ghleann
10.Chris Clarke Ath Bhriain
11.Robbie White Baile Cholmáin
12.Patrick Quinn Baile Cholmáin
13.Matthew Bagnall An Ghleann
14.Ross McGarry Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
15.David McKibben Ath Bhriain
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on May 28, 2009, 10:12:26 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 28, 2009, 09:39:40 PM
Down minor team to face Cavan on Sat. Unchanged from preliminary round.

1.james Deeney Dún Phadraig
2.Ryan Doran An Ghlásdromainn
3.Shane McNamee Droichead Mhaigh Eo
4.Darragh OHanlan Cill Chua
5.Kevin McClorey Droichead Mhaigh Eo
6.Ciaran McClean Cill Chua
7.Patrick Boyle Caisleán an Mhuillin
8.Caolan Mooney Caisleán Ruairi
9.Niall McParland An Ghleann
10.Chris Clarke Ath Bhriain
11.Robbie White Baile Cholmáin
12.Patrick Quinn Baile Cholmáin
13.Matthew Bagnall An Ghleann
14.Ross McGarry Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
15.David McKibben Ath Bhriain

Where?  and when?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on May 28, 2009, 10:16:30 PM
Athletic Grounds Armagh at 2pm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 28, 2009, 11:09:29 PM
Glasdrumman beat Annaclone 1-10 to 1-07 tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 29, 2009, 12:07:00 AM
Harps beat RGU by 5 tonight. We were 3 points down with about 7 or 8 minutes to go and then we brought a one legged Rony Murtagh on and he changed the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on May 29, 2009, 12:18:35 AM
Was at the game & certainly Murtagh made a difference. But by your own admission, if a "one legged" player can change things around, what the fcuk were the other 14 doing? Dont read too much into the 5 point win - it might come back to bite you!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 29, 2009, 12:31:32 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on May 29, 2009, 12:18:35 AM
Was at the game & certainly Murtagh made a difference. But by your own admission, if a "one legged" player can change things around, what the fcuk were the other 14 doing? Dont read too much into the 5 point win - it might come back to bite you!!


Why??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on May 29, 2009, 12:35:12 AM
Why? Relying on one player to win games? Catch a grip!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 29, 2009, 12:44:42 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on May 29, 2009, 12:18:35 AM
Was at the game & certainly Murtagh made a difference. But by your own admission, if a "one legged" player can change things around, what the fcuk were the other 14 doing? Dont read too much into the 5 point win - it might come back to bite you!!

The same as your 15 were doing when Murtagh came on :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on May 29, 2009, 12:53:01 AM
5Sams. not really a very mature reply for some one with a mighty 1400+ contibutions to the board. I'm a relatively newbie but call it as I see it - do you?? You were lucky this evening but luck isnt always good luck!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 29, 2009, 01:12:45 AM
I didnt say we werent lucky. As a matter of fact with 10 mins to go I said to the the lad beside me that we didnt deserve to win the game....RGU were the better team up until then....however....there was nothing lucky about the scores Murtagh took when he came on.....its hard to beat quality...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 29, 2009, 09:19:50 AM
Whilst Hoops were the better team for the first 20 mins of the second half, I wouldn't describe Ballyholland's victory as a lucky one. It was a pretty even first half, and Harps were significantly better during the latter stages of the game, lifted by the arrival of Murtagh.

I wouldn't say Ballyholland were played off the park at any stage of the game, but we did struggle at midfield during the opening part of the second half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on May 29, 2009, 09:52:48 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 29, 2009, 09:19:50 AM
Whilst Hoops were the better team for the first 20 mins of the second half, I wouldn't describe Ballyholland's victory as a lucky one. It was a pretty even first half, and Harps were significantly better during the latter stages of the game, lifted by the arrival of Murtagh.

I wouldn't say Ballyholland were played off the park at any stage of the game, but we did struggle at midfield during the opening part of the second half.

Your assessment is pretty spot on wobbler. No one connected with RGU would really argue. We had the game won but threw it away. The introduction of murtagh was significant as he "won" a couple of handy frees and then the the panic set in.
Not having a recognised keeper certainly did not help for the first goal but we'll get over it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 29, 2009, 12:18:45 PM
That is some result for Glasdrumman ( correct spelling Mourne Rover?  ;) ).  Annaclone gave us the mother of all hidings last Friday.

Good to see the RGU boys taking defeat with good grace.........................  ;D

We are looking forward to An Riocht tonight!   :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 29, 2009, 01:12:41 PM
Make sure yiz to do us  a favour now No 1....are you an attacking half back this week again???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on May 29, 2009, 01:25:12 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 29, 2009, 01:12:41 PM
Make sure yiz to do us  a favour now No 1....are you an attacking half back this week again???
club pro with the power off the pen ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 29, 2009, 01:30:16 PM
I would seriously doubt it, after last weeks display I would say my senior career is well and truly finished.   :D

OTL, I am severely embarrassed that you would confuse me with our PRO!  How's Div 3 anyway?   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 29, 2009, 04:55:35 PM
Are all the div 1 matchs goin ahead tonight? first time this season they all been played on the same night??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 29, 2009, 05:00:38 PM
point v liatroim is monday night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 29, 2009, 05:01:42 PM
there goes that theory  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 29, 2009, 09:14:22 PM
Division one Results

Kilcoo 0-13  Loughinisland 1-8
Rostrevor 0-11  Saval 1-12
Bryansford 2-9 Castlewellan 1-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 29, 2009, 09:28:46 PM
Nothing on the Down site yet.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 29, 2009, 09:57:36 PM
Saval 1-12
Rostrevor 0-11

Another poor performance from the lads tonight. Did well to get back into it and go in a draw at half time but shocking second half from the reds. Credit to saval and espeically danny hughes he kicked some super scores, id say he had a tally of about 1-8, he was awesome. Monk cole came on after ten mins for us when we were 6-1 down and changed the game until half time! He got injured in second half, think it was his shoulder as he was in a sling, hopefully it wont be too serious. We're letting our good start slip now and the boys will have to produce a lot better performances than this in the rest of the league to get near the top four, and to also stay in the championship for more than one game!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on May 29, 2009, 10:11:22 PM
St Pauls Dundrum was a draw, Bredagh beat Teconnaught by 6
Tullylish bt Aghaderg by 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 29, 2009, 10:33:14 PM
Drumgath and Saul drew.

St Pauls 1-10  Dundrum 0-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 29, 2009, 10:35:20 PM
O'Neills Down SFL Division 1

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   

Saval  1-12 0-11 Rostrevor  Saval Round 8 
Loughinisland  1-8 0-13 Kilcoo  Loughinisland Round 8 
Burren  1-8 0-9 Clonduff  Castlewellan Round 8 
Mayobridge  1-16 2-8 Longstone  Longstone Round 8 
Bryansford  2-9 1-9 Castlewellan  Bryansford Round 8 

O'Neills Down SFL Division 2

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Shamrocks  2-7 1-16 Carryduff  Shamrocks Round 8 
Glasdrumman  1-11 1-8 Annaclone  Glasdrumman Round 8 
Kilclief  1-10 0-18 An Riocht  Kilclief Round 8 
Atticall  1-9 2-11 Darragh Cross  Atticall Round 8 
Ballymartin  0-10 0-11 Clann na Banna  Ballymartin Round 8 

O'Neills Down SFL Division 3

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment 

Drumgath  1-11 3-5 Saul  Drumgath Round 8 
Bredagh  0-14 0-8 Teconnaught  Bredagh Round 8 
St Pauls  1-10 0-13 Dundrum  St Pauls Round 8 
Aghaderg  0-12 0-13 Tullylish  Aghaderg Round 8 

O'Neills Down SFL Division 4

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   

Aughlisnafin  1-6 1-14 St Michaels  Aughlisnafin Round 8 
Bright  5-13 2-5 Ballykinlar  Bright Round 8 
Mitchels  1-17 0-8 Dromara  Mitchels Round 8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 29, 2009, 11:20:35 PM
Div 3

Pld   W   D   L   Pts   TEAMS
8   6   1   1   13   Tullylish*
7   5   1   1   11   St Johns
8   4   2   2   10   Drumgath*
7   5   0   2   10   Glenn
7   5   0   2   10   Bredagh
7   4   1   2   9   Ardglass
8   2   3   3   7   Dundrum*
8   2   3   3   7   Saul
8   2   2   4   6   Teconnaght
8   1   1   6   3   St Pauls
8   1   0   7   2   Aghaderg
6   1   0   5   2   Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 30, 2009, 11:37:00 AM
QuoteKilclief  1-10 0-18 An Riocht  Kilclief Round 8

An Riocht deserved their win but we gave it a right oul go.  I think they only kicked 2 wides all night!

It's a shame John Clarke isn't playing for the county, he was simply awesome.  Colgan looks badly out of shape.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 30, 2009, 12:08:18 PM
Quote from: the derg on May 23, 2009, 12:32:44 PM
Aghaderg had their fist win of the season on friday some posters on here seen to think that we will be the whipping boys of div 3 but we are a small club who rely heavily on a number of individuals but  i can tell you all if we have our full team out and we begin to get a wee bit of confidence then we will survive in that division it will be interesting to see how we do against our "superior" neighbours next FRIDAY maybe we should give them the points !!

you seem to have run them very close last night, any report?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on May 30, 2009, 03:00:02 PM
Any updates on the Minor game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 30, 2009, 03:09:44 PM
Down winning by 3 with 10 minutes left.

It's on fivefm.co.uk

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on May 30, 2009, 03:57:32 PM
Got a text to say minors won by a point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 30, 2009, 05:58:38 PM
Mayobridge's Kevin McClorey got the winner ;) Last night games between ourselves and the Stone was the best game i seen this year.. Benny was back and scored a goal and a few points from left half forward and Mickey Walsh had another stormer for us getting 0.7, He oozes class!!!!!!! the stone are an exciting team and have some great forwards!!! They will be one to watch later in the year!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 30, 2009, 09:21:54 PM
Thought the Down half back line of Kevin McClorey, Ciaran McClean and Paddy Boyle was superb today.
Heard Mickey Walsh was immence last night for the bridge. It has got to beyond a joke why he is not centre half forward for Down. For not selecting this man Ross deserves to go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SouthDownHero on May 30, 2009, 09:50:45 PM
Michael Walsh and John Clarke week in week out continously put in excellent performances for their clubs. Considering some of the players who managed to make the panel (not naming names but we know there are a few who will never be county football material) it really has become farcical they cant make the panel at the very least. Its clearly not footballing reasons but in Down we dont have the talent at the minute to cope with these two players missing.

In the early 90's Shorty Treanor was not on the panel but we had enough in reserve to cope. The well is empty so something must be done to bring these players into the fold.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on May 31, 2009, 07:36:38 AM
"Colgan looks badly out of shape" No1 your joking, right?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 31, 2009, 09:06:52 PM
Any word on the Feis 7's in East Down today?

Did the East Down board make the Junior teams play on the full size pitch in Bright again?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 31, 2009, 09:09:32 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 31, 2009, 09:06:52 PM
Any word on the Feis 7's in East Down today?

Did the East Down board make the Junior teams play on the full size pitch in Bright again?

Ardglass won it DF
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 01, 2009, 01:34:41 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 31, 2009, 09:06:52 PM
Any word on the Feis 7's in East Down today?

Did the East Down board make the Junior teams play on the full size pitch in Bright again?

As far as I know they did  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Corporal on June 01, 2009, 07:37:30 AM
Bryansford won the Senior East Down Feis 7's in Ballykinlar last night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 01, 2009, 09:36:27 AM
Anybody the East Down fixtures?

Need them urgently
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 01, 2009, 09:52:56 AM
Quote"Colgan looks badly out of shape" No1 your joking, right?

I wasn't, I thought he was totally outplayed by his opposite number!  I take it you disagree?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on June 01, 2009, 10:16:54 AM
Quote from: SouthDownHero on May 30, 2009, 09:50:45 PM
Michael Walsh and John Clarke week in week out continously put in excellent performances for their clubs. Considering some of the players who managed to make the panel (not naming names but we know there are a few who will never be county football material) it really has become farcical they cant make the panel at the very least. Its clearly not footballing reasons but in Down we dont have the talent at the minute to cope with these two players missing.

In the early 90's Shorty Treanor was not on the panel but we had enough in reserve to cope. The well is empty so something must be done to bring these players into the fold.

Someone earlier in this thread referred to John Clarke's performance as "awesome". I used the exact same phrase after seeing him against Shamrocks. Haven't seen the Bridge this year but keep hearing positive things  about Walsh's performances. If Ross has better than these in his squad he is hiding them to good effect.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on June 01, 2009, 04:48:30 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 01, 2009, 09:36:27 AM
Anybody the East Down fixtures?

Need them urgently

East Down GAA Fixtures
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Downpatrick    v    Carryduff    P Brannigan
Bredagh    v    St. Mary's    D Laverty
St. Paul's    v    Saul    E Mulvenna
Kilcoo    v    Castlewellan    E O' Hare
Bryansford    v    Cill Darach    G Brannigan

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 01, 2009, 06:09:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygdsOGlbvNM&feature=channel_page

Highlights from Mayobridge and Longstone, keep an eye out for Mickey Walsh!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on June 01, 2009, 06:22:13 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 01, 2009, 06:09:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygdsOGlbvNM&feature=channel_page

Highlights from Mayobridge and Longstone, keep an eye out for Mickey Walsh!!!!

Those oul boys from Longstone in the backround sure loved the ref!

Theres a thread somewhere else suggesting that maybe Carr has recalled Walsh, is it true or is just another useless rumour?
 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 01, 2009, 09:36:05 PM
Heard Drumaness beat St Johns tonight in Division 3 by a point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on June 01, 2009, 10:34:35 PM
Liatroim beat the point by 5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 01, 2009, 11:15:09 PM
Quote from: T O Hare Highlights from Mayobridge and Longstone, keep an eye out for Mickey Walsh!!!!
/quote]

Tom that another great video.  Was very impressed by the stunning scenery that that is the backdrop to the Bridge's pitch, truly awesome.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 01, 2009, 11:20:56 PM
Twas longstones pitch i do believe! Micky Walsh took some super scores. Is it true about him and the down panel? Anyone know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 01, 2009, 11:29:00 PM
Assuming that Liatriom won by 5 against W.Point tonight
Latest update league table and compare with 2008 after 8 games
2009 Div one table after 8 games
P   W   D   L   Pts     SD   Teams
8   6   1   1   13     22   Mayobridge
8   6   0   2   12     16   Castlewellan
8   5   1   2   11     26   Liatroim
8   5   1   2   11      7   Burren
8   4   2   2   10     13   Bryansford
8   5   0   3   10     12   Kilcoo
8   5   0   3   10      4   Rostrevor
8   4   1   3     9     20   Longstone
8   3   0   5     6   -25   Saval
8   1   1   6     3   -21   Clonduff
8   0   1   7     1   -49   Warrenpoint
8   0   0   8     0   -25   Loughinisland




2008 Div one table after 8 games.
P   W   D   L   Pts     SD   Teams
8   8   0   0   16     60   Mayobridge
8   5   1   2   11     42   Kilcoo
8   5   0   3   10      2   Longstone
8   5   0   3   10     -2   Clonduff
8   5   0   3   10     -5   Loughinisland
8   4   1   3     9     -6   Rostrevor
8   4   0   4     8     -9   Burren
8   3   1   4     7     10   Castlewellan
8   2   2   4     6   -10   Saval
8   2   1   5     5   -10   Ballyholland
8   1   0   7     2   -26   Liatroim
8   1   0   7     2   -46   An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on June 01, 2009, 11:55:34 PM
Good to see Drumaness beating St.Johns. This should ruffle their feathers i believe and their good run of the season i hope is over. All credit to them for a great start to the year, but i still cant see them being serious promotion candidates for this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 02, 2009, 11:57:23 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 01, 2009, 10:16:54 AM
Quote from: SouthDownHero on May 30, 2009, 09:50:45 PM
Michael Walsh and John Clarke week in week out continously put in excellent performances for their clubs. Considering some of the players who managed to make the panel (not naming names but we know there are a few who will never be county football material) it really has become farcical they cant make the panel at the very least. Its clearly not footballing reasons but in Down we dont have the talent at the minute to cope with these two players missing.

In the early 90's Shorty Treanor was not on the panel but we had enough in reserve to cope. The well is empty so something must be done to bring these players into the fold.

Someone earlier in this thread referred to John Clarke's performance as "awesome". I used the exact same phrase after seeing him against Shamrocks. Haven't seen the Bridge this year but keep hearing positive things  about Walsh's performances. If Ross has better than these in his squad he is hiding them to good effect.

Why is everyone banging the Clarke and Walsh drum - both tried many times before and failed at County level - Carr and Kane obviously read this site and have bowed to pressure.
Ciaran Brannigan is the best scoring corner forward in division one and I challenge anyone on this,  he is definately a better option than McComiskey (going on form) as no doubt alot of critics will comeback back about his height.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 02, 2009, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 02, 2009, 11:57:23 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 01, 2009, 10:16:54 AM
Quote from: SouthDownHero on May 30, 2009, 09:50:45 PM
Michael Walsh and John Clarke week in week out continously put in excellent performances for their clubs. Considering some of the players who managed to make the panel (not naming names but we know there are a few who will never be county football material) it really has become farcical they cant make the panel at the very least. Its clearly not footballing reasons but in Down we dont have the talent at the minute to cope with these two players missing.

In the early 90's Shorty Treanor was not on the panel but we had enough in reserve to cope. The well is empty so something must be done to bring these players into the fold.

Someone earlier in this thread referred to John Clarke's performance as "awesome". I used the exact same phrase after seeing him against Shamrocks. Haven't seen the Bridge this year but keep hearing positive things  about Walsh's performances. If Ross has better than these in his squad he is hiding them to good effect.

Why is everyone banging the Clarke and Walsh drum - both tried many times before and failed at County level - Carr and Kane obviously read this site and have bowed to pressure.
Ciaran Brannigan is the best scoring corner forward in division one and I challenge anyone on this,  he is definately a better option than McComiskey (going on form) as no doubt alot of critics will comeback back about his height.

Walsh would not be far away with his 2.26 for this season!!!!!
Brannigan has been scoring well but the day after we played the Ford, Branigan was found in the Aughnagun road, He was still in Gavins Barrys pocket ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 02, 2009, 01:33:16 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 02, 2009, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 02, 2009, 11:57:23 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 01, 2009, 10:16:54 AM
Quote from: SouthDownHero on May 30, 2009, 09:50:45 PM
Michael Walsh and John Clarke week in week out continously put in excellent performances for their clubs. Considering some of the players who managed to make the panel (not naming names but we know there are a few who will never be county football material) it really has become farcical they cant make the panel at the very least. Its clearly not footballing reasons but in Down we dont have the talent at the minute to cope with these two players missing.

In the early 90's Shorty Treanor was not on the panel but we had enough in reserve to cope. The well is empty so something must be done to bring these players into the fold.

Someone earlier in this thread referred to John Clarke's performance as "awesome". I used the exact same phrase after seeing him against Shamrocks. Haven't seen the Bridge this year but keep hearing positive things  about Walsh's performances. If Ross has better than these in his squad he is hiding them to good effect.

Why is everyone banging the Clarke and Walsh drum - both tried many times before and failed at County level - Carr and Kane obviously read this site and have bowed to pressure.
Ciaran Brannigan is the best scoring corner forward in division one and I challenge anyone on this,  he is definately a better option than McComiskey (going on form) as no doubt alot of critics will comeback back about his height.

Walsh would not be far away with his 2.26 for this season!!!!!
Brannigan has been scoring well but the day after we played the Ford, Branigan was found in the Aughnagun road, He was still in Gavins Barrys pocket ;D ;D ;D

Typical reply i suppose...
Note that you have dropped the quest for Grant to return - possibly after Kearney destroyed him on that particular night!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Maybe if he is back it may keep things in perspective two nights before the qualifiers and certain individuals will be able to control themselves ;)unlike the Fermanagh game ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 02, 2009, 02:17:17 PM
Ciaran Brannigan is a fine footballer and a game fella, but to be honest Spirit I couldn't see him making a Championship team ahead of the first 9-10 forwards available currently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 02, 2009, 02:45:39 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 02, 2009, 01:33:16 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 02, 2009, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 02, 2009, 11:57:23 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 01, 2009, 10:16:54 AM
Quote from: SouthDownHero on May 30, 2009, 09:50:45 PM
Michael Walsh and John Clarke week in week out continously put in excellent performances for their clubs. Considering some of the players who managed to make the panel (not naming names but we know there are a few who will never be county football material) it really has become farcical they cant make the panel at the very least. Its clearly not footballing reasons but in Down we dont have the talent at the minute to cope with these two players missing.

In the early 90's Shorty Treanor was not on the panel but we had enough in reserve to cope. The well is empty so something must be done to bring these players into the fold.

Someone earlier in this thread referred to John Clarke's performance as "awesome". I used the exact same phrase after seeing him against Shamrocks. Haven't seen the Bridge this year but keep hearing positive things  about Walsh's performances. If Ross has better than these in his squad he is hiding them to good effect.

Why is everyone banging the Clarke and Walsh drum - both tried many times before and failed at County level - Carr and Kane obviously read this site and have bowed to pressure.
Ciaran Brannigan is the best scoring corner forward in division one and I challenge anyone on this,  he is definately a better option than McComiskey (going on form) as no doubt alot of critics will comeback back about his height.

Walsh would not be far away with his 2.26 for this season!!!!!
Brannigan has been scoring well but the day after we played the Ford, Branigan was found in the Aughnagun road, He was still in Gavins Barrys pocket ;D ;D ;D

Typical reply i suppose...
Note that you have dropped the quest for Grant to return - possibly after Kearney destroyed him on that particular night!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Maybe if he is back it may keep things in perspective two nights before the qualifiers and certain individuals will be able to control themselves ;)unlike the Fermanagh game ;)

I would not believe all the rumours you hear around Newcastle Spirit!!!!! Because they are usually Bullshit :D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 02, 2009, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 02, 2009, 02:17:17 PM
Ciaran Brannigan is a fine footballer and a game fella, but to be honest Spirit I couldn't see him making a Championship team ahead of the first 9-10 forwards available currently.

fair enough wobbler.
I put the case forward for him as at present he is in top form (2.2 v longstone, 0.06 v castlewellan,0.05 v kilcoo an example) tell me a player in better scoring form. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 02, 2009, 02:54:08 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 02, 2009, 02:45:39 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 02, 2009, 01:33:16 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 02, 2009, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 02, 2009, 11:57:23 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 01, 2009, 10:16:54 AM
Quote from: SouthDownHero on May 30, 2009, 09:50:45 PM
Michael Walsh and John Clarke week in week out continously put in excellent performances for their clubs. Considering some of the players who managed to make the panel (not naming names but we know there are a few who will never be county football material) it really has become farcical they cant make the panel at the very least. Its clearly not footballing reasons but in Down we dont have the talent at the minute to cope with these two players missing.

In the early 90's Shorty Treanor was not on the panel but we had enough in reserve to cope. The well is empty so something must be done to bring these players into the fold.

Someone earlier in this thread referred to John Clarke's performance as "awesome". I used the exact same phrase after seeing him against Shamrocks. Haven't seen the Bridge this year but keep hearing positive things  about Walsh's performances. If Ross has better than these in his squad he is hiding them to good effect.

Why is everyone banging the Clarke and Walsh drum - both tried many times before and failed at County level - Carr and Kane obviously read this site and have bowed to pressure.
Ciaran Brannigan is the best scoring corner forward in division one and I challenge anyone on this,  he is definately a better option than McComiskey (going on form) as no doubt alot of critics will comeback back about his height.

Walsh would not be far away with his 2.26 for this season!!!!!
Brannigan has been scoring well but the day after we played the Ford, Branigan was found in the Aughnagun road, He was still in Gavins Barrys pocket ;D ;D ;D

Typical reply i suppose...
Note that you have dropped the quest for Grant to return - possibly after Kearney destroyed him on that particular night!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Maybe if he is back it may keep things in perspective two nights before the qualifiers and certain individuals will be able to control themselves ;)unlike the Fermanagh game ;)

I would not believe all the rumours you hear around Newcastle Spirit!!!!! Because they are usually Bullshit :D ;)

Really????? Actually heard it from a south down source.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 02, 2009, 04:00:51 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 02, 2009, 02:54:08 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 02, 2009, 02:45:39 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 02, 2009, 01:33:16 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 02, 2009, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 02, 2009, 11:57:23 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 01, 2009, 10:16:54 AM
Quote from: SouthDownHero on May 30, 2009, 09:50:45 PM
Michael Walsh and John Clarke week in week out continously put in excellent performances for their clubs. Considering some of the players who managed to make the panel (not naming names but we know there are a few who will never be county football material) it really has become farcical they cant make the panel at the very least. Its clearly not footballing reasons but in Down we dont have the talent at the minute to cope with these two players missing.

In the early 90's Shorty Treanor was not on the panel but we had enough in reserve to cope. The well is empty so something must be done to bring these players into the fold.

Someone earlier in this thread referred to John Clarke's performance as "awesome". I used the exact same phrase after seeing him against Shamrocks. Haven't seen the Bridge this year but keep hearing positive things  about Walsh's performances. If Ross has better than these in his squad he is hiding them to good effect.

Why is everyone banging the Clarke and Walsh drum - both tried many times before and failed at County level - Carr and Kane obviously read this site and have bowed to pressure.
Ciaran Brannigan is the best scoring corner forward in division one and I challenge anyone on this,  he is definately a better option than McComiskey (going on form) as no doubt alot of critics will comeback back about his height.

Walsh would not be far away with his 2.26 for this season!!!!!
Brannigan has been scoring well but the day after we played the Ford, Branigan was found in the Aughnagun road, He was still in Gavins Barrys pocket ;D ;D ;D

Typical reply i suppose...
Note that you have dropped the quest for Grant to return - possibly after Kearney destroyed him on that particular night!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Maybe if he is back it may keep things in perspective two nights before the qualifiers and certain individuals will be able to control themselves ;)unlike the Fermanagh game ;)

I would not believe all the rumours you hear around Newcastle Spirit!!!!! Because they are usually Bullshit :D ;)

Really????? Actually heard it from a south down source.

Claws are out  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 02, 2009, 04:40:47 PM
Defo aren't out!!!! Just clarifying that rumours that circulate about certain Down players aren't always true!!!!!!
And what spirit is referring to is a rumour which is 100% bullshit because i was there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 02, 2009, 05:12:33 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 02, 2009, 04:40:47 PM
Defo aren't out!!!! Just clarifying that rumours that circulate about certain Down players aren't always true!!!!!!
And what spirit is referring to is a rumour which is 100% bullshit because i was there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Funny you should mention rumours, think it was a Justin Mc Nulty article I read in the Irish News about the rumours that circulate about players within Armagh. With his favourites rumours being " sure he won't be playing he had a fall out with the manager" and " him hes not worth a f@@k, all he wants to do is booze." Must say they are rife in Down and are what a lot of people on this forum base their opinions on.... RUMOURS....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 02, 2009, 07:47:09 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 02, 2009, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 02, 2009, 02:17:17 PM
Ciaran Brannigan is a fine footballer and a game fella, but to be honest Spirit I couldn't see him making a Championship team ahead of the first 9-10 forwards available currently.

fair enough wobbler.
I put the case forward for him as at present he is in top form (2.2 v longstone, 0.06 v castlewellan,0.05 v kilcoo an example) tell me a player in better scoring form. 

Ryan Kelly from Longstone scored 1-6 against Warrenpoint and 2-10 against Saval in the last couple of weeks (accepted these 2 teams are near the bottom of the league - but we are only sitting 5th from bottom ourselves)!  I wouldn't be calling for him to be on the Down panel as we'd miss him too much for the club.  Got AI minor medal 2005 corner forward.

Good highlights in the youtube link above T O' Hare, some good scores and as mentioned by ITOB great backdrop for a match on a summers evenin, just a pity about the result.  Hopefully get Barry Doran back sooner rather than later and Ambrose back to full fitness and try and get a decent run in the championship.  Liatroim 1st round will be tough, as it was last year, beaten in replay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 02, 2009, 09:26:17 PM
Down Minor B FC 1st Round

St Josephs (Ballykinlar/Dundrum)  2-13   St Colmans (Aghaderg, St Michaels, Tullylish) 2-10

Heard Bryansford lost to Kilcoo in the A Championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 02, 2009, 09:29:35 PM
Clonduff beat Bredagh by 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 02, 2009, 09:35:13 PM
Tuesday 02nd June 2009
Minor Football A Championship

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   

Clann na Banna  0-9 4-15 Loughinisland  Clann na Banna Round One 
Warrenpoint  1-9 1-7 Mayobridge  Warrenpoint Round Two 
Carryduff  2-14 0-5 Ardglass  Carryduff Round Two 
Burren  4-11 0-2 An Riocht  Castlewellan Round Two 
Kilcoo  1-23 1-11 Bryansford  Kilcoo Round Two 
Bredagh  1-7 0-11 Clonduff  Bredagh Round Two 

Minor B Championship 2009

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   

Castlewellan  3-19 2-9 Annaclone  Castlewellan Round Two 
St Josephs 2-13  2-10 St Colmans  Dundrum Round Two


Monday 01st June 2009
 
O'Neills Down SFL Division 1

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   

Warrenpoint  0-14 3-10 Liatriom  Warrenpoint Round 8 

O'Neills Down SFL Division 2

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment
 
Clann na Banna  0-10 0-11 Glasdrumman  Clann na Banna Round 7 

O'Neills Down SFL Division 3

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   

St Johns  2-9 2-10 Drumaness  St Johns Round 8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 02, 2009, 09:35:39 PM
Kilcoo 1-23 Bryansford 1-11. Pure class.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 02, 2009, 09:40:17 PM
ACHL Div 1: Shamrocks 1-09 3-11 Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 02, 2009, 09:44:45 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 02, 2009, 09:35:39 PM
Kilcoo 1-23 Bryansford 1-11. Pure class.

Thats some result. The Ford have about four Down Minors. Looks like Kilcoo and Burren are the favourites for the A now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 02, 2009, 10:08:48 PM
Think rostrevors game against drumaness in the B championship  was called off tonight - whether that down to drumaness not being able to field or something else i dont know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 02, 2009, 10:09:14 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 02, 2009, 09:44:45 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 02, 2009, 09:35:39 PM
Kilcoo 1-23 Bryansford 1-11. Pure class.

Thats some result. The Ford have about four Down Minors. Looks like Kilcoo and Burren are the favourites for the A now.

Yeah Kilcoo gave the total team performance tonight. Rumour has it that two players where called into Down minor panel after game. Ballyholland have a decent minor side this year too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 02, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
Down "POWERADE" Minor Football Championship Result's
"A" Championship
Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua   1-09   V   Droichead Mhaigh Eo   1-07
Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh   2-14   V   Ard Ghlais   0-05
Noamh Eoin Bosco   2-07   V   Seomrogai an Iuir   0-20
Boireann   4-11   V   An Riocht   0-02
Cill Chua   1-23   V   Ath Bhriain   1-11
Bredach   1-07   V   Cluain Diamh   0-11
Noamh Mhuire   2-08   V   An Ghleann   0-08

"B" Championship
Caislean an Mhuillin   3-19   V   Eanach Cluana   2-09
Caislean Ruairi   W/O   V   Droim an Easa   D/F
Cill Breachtain   D/F   V   Noamh Eoin   W/O
Cill Dara   W/O   V   Noamh Pol    D/F
Noamh Seosamh   2-13   V   Noamh Colmans   2-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on June 03, 2009, 08:38:15 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 02, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
Down "POWERADE" Minor Football Championship Result's
"A" Championship
Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua   1-09   V   Droichead Mhaigh Eo   1-07
Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh   2-14   V   Ard Ghlais   0-05
Noamh Eoin Bosco   2-07   V   Seomrogai an Iuir   0-20
Boireann   4-11   V   An Riocht   0-02
Cill Chua   1-23   V   Ath Bhriain   1-11
Bredach   1-07   V   Cluain Diamh   0-11
Noamh Mhuire   2-08   V   An Ghleann   0-08

"B" Championship
Caislean an Mhuillin   3-19   V   Eanach Cluana   2-09
Caislean Ruairi   W/O   V   Droim an Easa   D/F
Cill Breachtain   D/F   V   Noamh Eoin   W/O
Cill Dara   W/O   V   Noamh Pol    D/F
Noamh Seosamh   2-13   V   Noamh Colmans   2-10


What is it with this nonesense of trying to publish championship fixtures and results in Irish? Apart from the incorrect spelling of many club names it denies information to those who have no Irish (that is most of us).
Thus the attempt fails to promote our games and also fails to promote the language, and is at a stroke contrary to two objectives of the GAA.
I've lost count of the many times some GAA neighbours from Armagh have asked me about senior championship games in Down they want to attend but couldn't find the fixtures in the paper.
By all means have the dual language information in match programmes but this is silly silly meaningless counter-productive stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on June 03, 2009, 09:31:08 AM
"Think rostrevors game against drumaness in the B championship  was called off tonight - whether that down to drumaness not being able to field or something else i dont know."

Highly likely
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on June 03, 2009, 09:53:31 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 03, 2009, 08:38:15 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 02, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
Down “POWERADE” Minor Football Championship Result’s
“A” Championship
Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua   1-09   V   Droichead Mhaigh Eo   1-07
Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh   2-14   V   Ard Ghlais   0-05
Noamh Eoin Bosco   2-07   V   Seomrogai an Iuir   0-20
Boireann   4-11   V   An Riocht   0-02
Cill Chua   1-23   V   Ath Bhriain   1-11
Bredach   1-07   V   Cluain Diamh   0-11
Noamh Mhuire   2-08   V   An Ghleann   0-08

“B” Championship
Caislean an Mhuillin   3-19   V   Eanach Cluana   2-09
Caislean Ruairi   W/O   V   Droim an Easa   D/F
Cill Breachtain   D/F   V   Noamh Eoin   W/O
Cill Dara   W/O   V   Noamh Pol    D/F
Noamh Seosamh   2-13   V   Noamh Colmans   2-10


What is it with this nonesense of trying to publish championship fixtures and results in Irish? Apart from the incorrect spelling of many club names it denies information to those who have no Irish (that is most of us).
Thus the attempt fails to promote our games and also fails to promote the language, and is at a stroke contrary to two objectives of the GAA.
I've lost count of the many times some GAA neighbours from Armagh have asked me about senior championship games in Down they want to attend but couldn't find the fixtures in the paper.
By all means have the dual language information in match programmes but this is silly silly meaningless counter-productive stuff.


Leo, you have such a narrow minded point of view towards the Irish language!!

A central aim of the GAA is to promote Irish language and it's culture through the playing of our games. Now if the county board is putting people off going to the games because they fixtures are printed as Gaeilge, well then it's the supporter who needs to have a look at themselves, not the county board!!

If you don't like the fact that the fixtures and results are printed in Irish, well then go and buy yourself a DownGAA diary and do the translation for yourself!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 03, 2009, 11:09:37 AM
I think Leo makes a valid point.

Even my pigeon Irish can spot spelling mistakes all over that list. So the educational value of the exercise is lost.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on June 03, 2009, 11:25:07 AM
Noamh Colmans


just got lazy at the end me thinks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on June 03, 2009, 11:30:17 AM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on June 03, 2009, 09:53:31 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 03, 2009, 08:38:15 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 02, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
Down "POWERADE" Minor Football Championship Result's
"A" Championship
Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua   1-09   V   Droichead Mhaigh Eo   1-07
Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh   2-14   V   Ard Ghlais   0-05
Noamh Eoin Bosco   2-07   V   Seomrogai an Iuir   0-20
Boireann   4-11   V   An Riocht   0-02
Cill Chua   1-23   V   Ath Bhriain   1-11
Bredach   1-07   V   Cluain Diamh   0-11
Noamh Mhuire   2-08   V   An Ghleann   0-08

"B" Championship
Caislean an Mhuillin   3-19   V   Eanach Cluana   2-09
Caislean Ruairi   W/O   V   Droim an Easa   D/F
Cill Breachtain   D/F   V   Noamh Eoin   W/O
Cill Dara   W/O   V   Noamh Pol    D/F
Noamh Seosamh   2-13   V   Noamh Colmans   2-10


What is it with this nonesense of trying to publish championship fixtures and results in Irish? Apart from the incorrect spelling of many club names it denies information to those who have no Irish (that is most of us).
Thus the attempt fails to promote our games and also fails to promote the language, and is at a stroke contrary to two objectives of the GAA.
I've lost count of the many times some GAA neighbours from Armagh have asked me about senior championship games in Down they want to attend but couldn't find the fixtures in the paper.
By all means have the dual language information in match programmes but this is silly silly meaningless counter-productive stuff.


Leo, you have such a narrow minded point of view towards the Irish language!!

A central aim of the GAA is to promote Irish language and it's culture through the playing of our games. Now if the county board is putting people off going to the games because they fixtures are printed as Gaeilge, well then it's the supporter who needs to have a look at themselves, not the county board!!

If you don't like the fact that the fixtures and results are printed in Irish, well then go and buy yourself a DownGAA diary and do the translation for yourself!!

An Cloch Scoilte, your post is the epitome of narrow-mindedness and you fail to appreciate that there are those who may derive pleasure from attending games who wouldn't even know where to get a Down GAA diary.
You would exclude such people - not pure enough for you.
This is the very inward attitude that has held back the development of the GAA.
You also miss the point entirely about the counter-productive exercise that is afoot here.
At least the Wobbler can identify that any perceived educational value is lost anyway when mistakes in the language (betraying the tokenism of the exercise) are jumping off the pages.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 03, 2009, 11:55:12 AM
QuoteCill Dara   W/O   V   Noamh Pol    D/F

I'm not surprised St Paul's didn't field.

How could they expect minors to travel to Kildare for a mid week match in the middle of the exams!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on June 03, 2009, 12:00:33 PM
Quote from: Leo on June 03, 2009, 08:38:15 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 02, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
Down "POWERADE" Minor Football Championship Result's
"A" Championship
Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua   1-09   V   Droichead Mhaigh Eo   1-07
Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh   2-14   V   Ard Ghlais   0-05
Noamh Eoin Bosco   2-07   V   Seomrogai an Iuir   0-20
Boireann   4-11   V   An Riocht   0-02
Cill Chua   1-23   V   Ath Bhriain   1-11
Bredach   1-07   V   Cluain Diamh   0-11
Noamh Mhuire   2-08   V   An Ghleann   0-08

"B" Championship
Caislean an Mhuillin   3-19   V   Eanach Cluana   2-09
Caislean Ruairi   W/O   V   Droim an Easa   D/F
Cill Breachtain   D/F   V   Noamh Eoin   W/O
Cill Dara   W/O   V   Noamh Pol    D/F
Noamh Seosamh   2-13   V   Noamh Colmans   2-10


What is it with this nonesense of trying to publish championship fixtures and results in Irish? Apart from the incorrect spelling of many club names it denies information to those who have no Irish (that is most of us).
Thus the attempt fails to promote our games and also fails to promote the language, and is at a stroke contrary to two objectives of the GAA.
I've lost count of the many times some GAA neighbours from Armagh have asked me about senior championship games in Down they want to attend but couldn't find the fixtures in the paper.
By all means have the dual language information in match programmes but this is silly silly meaningless counter-productive stuff.

If your friend from Armagh is looking to go to a senior championship game they quite likely want to see Mayobridge (Droichead Mhaigh Eo), Burren (Boireann), Kilcoo (Cill Chua), Bryansford (Ath Bhriain), Loughinisland (Loch an Oilean) .. it's not exactly rocket science working out the translations.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on June 03, 2009, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 03, 2009, 11:55:12 AM
QuoteCill Dara   W/O   V   Noamh Pol    D/F

I'm not surprised St Paul's didn't field.

How could they expect minors to travel to Kildare for a mid week match in the middle of the exams!!

Haha, nice. ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on June 03, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
Have to agree with An Cloch Scoilte re Leos post - Leo, your just an idiot who hasnt the intelligence to learn a bit of Irish - there only 50 odd clubs in Down - it's a poor reflection on you if you cant work out what their names are in Irish when they're written down in front of you, even though there may be the odd spelling mistake (as can happen in englsih - sorry Leo you probably couldnt work that one out so I'll try again - english).

An Cloch Scoilte - I see the St Marys team beat Glenn yesterday evening. If I remember correctly some of the regular posters didnt know who St Marys were ::) and some tube (T. O'Hare, I think) thought it was a handy draw for Glenn!!. ::) Wonder how handy Glenn feel about it this morning?  :-\They'll be away home with their tails between their legs to lick their wounds..... :) :) :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on June 03, 2009, 12:27:54 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 02, 2009, 10:09:14 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 02, 2009, 09:44:45 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 02, 2009, 09:35:39 PM
Kilcoo 1-23 Bryansford 1-11. Pure class.

Thats some result. The Ford have about four Down Minors. Looks like Kilcoo and Burren are the favourites for the A now.

Yeah Kilcoo gave the total team performance tonight. Rumour has it that two players where called into Down minor panel after game. Ballyholland have a decent minor side this year too.

I wouldnt be like that Down Minor management team t ocall in players midway through the season :P
Sure at the start of the year, they left out Kein McClorey, and recalled him, bet they were glad they did now! after saturday! :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on June 03, 2009, 12:32:05 PM
Your right Maidin1, the translations are not that hard like! Just look at the name and try and say it, its not that hard to figure out, even for the slowest of gaels! I like to see the names written in Irish!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 03, 2009, 12:56:53 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 14, 2009, 01:33:43 PM
Handy game for Glenn ;D

My post was sarcastic!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on June 03, 2009, 01:06:44 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 03, 2009, 12:56:53 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 14, 2009, 01:33:43 PM
Handy game for Glenn ;D

My post was sarcastic!!!!

i dont think it was....very condescending
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 03, 2009, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on June 03, 2009, 01:06:44 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 03, 2009, 12:56:53 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 14, 2009, 01:33:43 PM
Handy game for Glenn ;D

My post was sarcastic!!!!

i dont think it was....very condescending

You would need to know me to understand!!!!! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: naka on June 03, 2009, 01:13:44 PM
guys in juvenile football what is the date for eligibility is it july or january
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 03, 2009, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: naka on June 03, 2009, 01:13:44 PM
guys in juvenile football what is the date for eligibility is it july or january
January
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on June 03, 2009, 01:17:15 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 03, 2009, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: naka on June 03, 2009, 01:13:44 PM
guys in juvenile football what is the date for eligibility is it july or january
January
depends which club you play for!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 03, 2009, 01:19:48 PM
Quote from: norabeag on June 03, 2009, 01:17:15 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 03, 2009, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: naka on June 03, 2009, 01:13:44 PM
guys in juvenile football what is the date for eligibility is it july or january
January
depends which club you play for!!

Thats true!!!! :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on June 03, 2009, 01:32:14 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 03, 2009, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on June 03, 2009, 01:06:44 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 03, 2009, 12:56:53 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 14, 2009, 01:33:43 PM
Handy game for Glenn ;D

My post was sarcastic!!!!

i dont think it was....very condescending

You would need to know me to understand!!!!! ;)

T O Hare, you can have the benefit of the doubt - maybe you need to brush up on your icons!!! Ive seen St Marys a couple of times this year and they are a strong enough outfit so no surprise to me that they beat Glenn. I was at the Kilcoo/Ford game and must Kilcoo are the complete package (some very talented young players who know how to play as a team) - I dont think anyone will have a handy game against them this year - they will definitely be hard to beat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on June 03, 2009, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: Leo on June 03, 2009, 11:30:17 AM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on June 03, 2009, 09:53:31 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 03, 2009, 08:38:15 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 02, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
Down “POWERADE” Minor Football Championship Result’s
“A” Championship
Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua   1-09   V   Droichead Mhaigh Eo   1-07
Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh   2-14   V   Ard Ghlais   0-05
Noamh Eoin Bosco   2-07   V   Seomrogai an Iuir   0-20
Boireann   4-11   V   An Riocht   0-02
Cill Chua   1-23   V   Ath Bhriain   1-11
Bredach   1-07   V   Cluain Diamh   0-11
Noamh Mhuire   2-08   V   An Ghleann   0-08

“B” Championship
Caislean an Mhuillin   3-19   V   Eanach Cluana   2-09
Caislean Ruairi   W/O   V   Droim an Easa   D/F
Cill Breachtain   D/F   V   Noamh Eoin   W/O
Cill Dara   W/O   V   Noamh Pol    D/F
Noamh Seosamh   2-13   V   Noamh Colmans   2-10


What is it with this nonesense of trying to publish championship fixtures and results in Irish? Apart from the incorrect spelling of many club names it denies information to those who have no Irish (that is most of us).
Thus the attempt fails to promote our games and also fails to promote the language, and is at a stroke contrary to two objectives of the GAA.
I've lost count of the many times some GAA neighbours from Armagh have asked me about senior championship games in Down they want to attend but couldn't find the fixtures in the paper.
By all means have the dual language information in match programmes but this is silly silly meaningless counter-productive stuff.


Leo, you have such a narrow minded point of view towards the Irish language!!

A central aim of the GAA is to promote Irish language and it's culture through the playing of our games. Now if the county board is putting people off going to the games because they fixtures are printed as Gaeilge, well then it's the supporter who needs to have a look at themselves, not the county board!!

If you don't like the fact that the fixtures and results are printed in Irish, well then go and buy yourself a DownGAA diary and do the translation for yourself!!

An Cloch Scoilte, your post is the epitome of narrow-mindedness and you fail to appreciate that there are those who may derive pleasure from attending games who wouldn't even know where to get a Down GAA diary.
You would exclude such people - not pure enough for you.
This is the very inward attitude that has held back the development of the GAA.
You also miss the point entirely about the counter-productive exercise that is afoot here.
At least the Wobbler can identify that any perceived educational value is lost anyway when mistakes in the language (betraying the tokenism of the exercise) are jumping off the pages.



How about trying the Down GAA office?? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 03, 2009, 05:32:46 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on June 03, 2009, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: Leo on June 03, 2009, 11:30:17 AM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on June 03, 2009, 09:53:31 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 03, 2009, 08:38:15 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 02, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
Down "POWERADE" Minor Football Championship Result's
"A" Championship
Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua   1-09   V   Droichead Mhaigh Eo   1-07
Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh   2-14   V   Ard Ghlais   0-05
Noamh Eoin Bosco   2-07   V   Seomrogai an Iuir   0-20
Boireann   4-11   V   An Riocht   0-02
Cill Chua   1-23   V   Ath Bhriain   1-11
Bredach   1-07   V   Cluain Diamh   0-11
Noamh Mhuire   2-08   V   An Ghleann   0-08

"B" Championship
Caislean an Mhuillin   3-19   V   Eanach Cluana   2-09
Caislean Ruairi   W/O   V   Droim an Easa   D/F
Cill Breachtain   D/F   V   Noamh Eoin   W/O
Cill Dara   W/O   V   Noamh Pol    D/F
Noamh Seosamh   2-13   V   Noamh Colmans   2-10


What is it with this nonesense of trying to publish championship fixtures and results in Irish? Apart from the incorrect spelling of many club names it denies information to those who have no Irish (that is most of us).
Thus the attempt fails to promote our games and also fails to promote the language, and is at a stroke contrary to two objectives of the GAA.
I've lost count of the many times some GAA neighbours from Armagh have asked me about senior championship games in Down they want to attend but couldn't find the fixtures in the paper.
By all means have the dual language information in match programmes but this is silly silly meaningless counter-productive stuff.


Leo, you have such a narrow minded point of view towards the Irish language!!

A central aim of the GAA is to promote Irish language and it's culture through the playing of our games. Now if the county board is putting people off going to the games because they fixtures are printed as Gaeilge, well then it's the supporter who needs to have a look at themselves, not the county board!!

If you don't like the fact that the fixtures and results are printed in Irish, well then go and buy yourself a DownGAA diary and do the translation for yourself!!

An Cloch Scoilte, your post is the epitome of narrow-mindedness and you fail to appreciate that there are those who may derive pleasure from attending games who wouldn't even know where to get a Down GAA diary.
You would exclude such people - not pure enough for you.
This is the very inward attitude that has held back the development of the GAA.
You also miss the point entirely about the counter-productive exercise that is afoot here.
At least the Wobbler can identify that any perceived educational value is lost anyway when mistakes in the language (betraying the tokenism of the exercise) are jumping off the pages.



How about trying the Down GAA office?? ???


Any specific reason why championship fixtures appear in Irish and league in English???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on June 03, 2009, 06:01:20 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on June 03, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
Have to agree with An Cloch Scoilte re Leos post - Leo, your just an idiot who hasnt the intelligence to learn a bit of Irish - there only 50 odd clubs in Down - it's a poor reflection on you if you cant work out what their names are in Irish when they're written down in front of you, even though there may be the odd spelling mistake (as can happen in englsih - sorry Leo you probably couldnt work that one out so I'll try again - english).



Even those of limited intelligence (like me) are entitled to attend games without having to learn Irish.
Others of superior intelligence (like you) are entitled to your opinion without being called an idiot.

There are  plenty of idiots like myself who would have diffciulty with Rinn Mac Ghiolla Rua, Caislean Ruairi, Ceathru Aoidh Dhuibh, Cill Breachtain and others.
I suppose it's no surprise that the evangelical wing of the GAA would happily exclude us from our national games becaause of the limitations of our intellect and/or education.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on June 03, 2009, 08:25:30 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on June 03, 2009, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: Leo on June 03, 2009, 11:30:17 AM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on June 03, 2009, 09:53:31 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 03, 2009, 08:38:15 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 02, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
Down "POWERADE" Minor Football Championship Result's
"A" Championship
Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua   1-09   V   Droichead Mhaigh Eo   1-07
Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh   2-14   V   Ard Ghlais   0-05
Noamh Eoin Bosco   2-07   V   Seomrogai an Iuir   0-20
Boireann   4-11   V   An Riocht   0-02
Cill Chua   1-23   V   Ath Bhriain   1-11
Bredach   1-07   V   Cluain Diamh   0-11
Noamh Mhuire   2-08   V   An Ghleann   0-08

"B" Championship
Caislean an Mhuillin   3-19   V   Eanach Cluana   2-09
Caislean Ruairi   W/O   V   Droim an Easa   D/F
Cill Breachtain   D/F   V   Noamh Eoin   W/O
Cill Dara   W/O   V   Noamh Pol    D/F
Noamh Seosamh   2-13   V   Noamh Colmans   2-10


What is it with this nonesense of trying to publish championship fixtures and results in Irish? Apart from the incorrect spelling of many club names it denies information to those who have no Irish (that is most of us).
Thus the attempt fails to promote our games and also fails to promote the language, and is at a stroke contrary to two objectives of the GAA.
I've lost count of the many times some GAA neighbours from Armagh have asked me about senior championship games in Down they want to attend but couldn't find the fixtures in the paper.
By all means have the dual language information in match programmes but this is silly silly meaningless counter-productive stuff.


Leo, you have such a narrow minded point of view towards the Irish language!!

A central aim of the GAA is to promote Irish language and it's culture through the playing of our games. Now if the county board is putting people off going to the games because they fixtures are printed as Gaeilge, well then it's the supporter who needs to have a look at themselves, not the county board!!

If you don't like the fact that the fixtures and results are printed in Irish, well then go and buy yourself a DownGAA diary and do the translation for yourself!!

An Cloch Scoilte, your post is the epitome of narrow-mindedness and you fail to appreciate that there are those who may derive pleasure from attending games who wouldn't even know where to get a Down GAA diary.
You would exclude such people - not pure enough for you.
This is the very inward attitude that has held back the development of the GAA.
You also miss the point entirely about the counter-productive exercise that is afoot here.
At least the Wobbler can identify that any perceived educational value is lost anyway when mistakes in the language (betraying the tokenism of the exercise) are jumping off the pages.



How about trying the Down GAA office?? ???


Cén fáth?:
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on June 03, 2009, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 03, 2009, 05:32:46 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on June 03, 2009, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: Leo on June 03, 2009, 11:30:17 AM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on June 03, 2009, 09:53:31 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 03, 2009, 08:38:15 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 02, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
Down "POWERADE" Minor Football Championship Result's
"A" Championship
Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua   1-09   V   Droichead Mhaigh Eo   1-07
Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh   2-14   V   Ard Ghlais   0-05
Noamh Eoin Bosco   2-07   V   Seomrogai an Iuir   0-20
Boireann   4-11   V   An Riocht   0-02
Cill Chua   1-23   V   Ath Bhriain   1-11
Bredach   1-07   V   Cluain Diamh   0-11
Noamh Mhuire   2-08   V   An Ghleann   0-08

"B" Championship
Caislean an Mhuillin   3-19   V   Eanach Cluana   2-09
Caislean Ruairi   W/O   V   Droim an Easa   D/F
Cill Breachtain   D/F   V   Noamh Eoin   W/O
Cill Dara   W/O   V   Noamh Pol    D/F
Noamh Seosamh   2-13   V   Noamh Colmans   2-10


What is it with this nonesense of trying to publish championship fixtures and results in Irish? Apart from the incorrect spelling of many club names it denies information to those who have no Irish (that is most of us).
Thus the attempt fails to promote our games and also fails to promote the language, and is at a stroke contrary to two objectives of the GAA.
I've lost count of the many times some GAA neighbours from Armagh have asked me about senior championship games in Down they want to attend but couldn't find the fixtures in the paper.
By all means have the dual language information in match programmes but this is silly silly meaningless counter-productive stuff.


Leo, you have such a narrow minded point of view towards the Irish language!!

A central aim of the GAA is to promote Irish language and it's culture through the playing of our games. Now if the county board is putting people off going to the games because they fixtures are printed as Gaeilge, well then it's the supporter who needs to have a look at themselves, not the county board!!

If you don't like the fact that the fixtures and results are printed in Irish, well then go and buy yourself a DownGAA diary and do the translation for yourself!!

An Cloch Scoilte, your post is the epitome of narrow-mindedness and you fail to appreciate that there are those who may derive pleasure from attending games who wouldn't even know where to get a Down GAA diary.
You would exclude such people - not pure enough for you.
This is the very inward attitude that has held back the development of the GAA.
You also miss the point entirely about the counter-productive exercise that is afoot here.
At least the Wobbler can identify that any perceived educational value is lost anyway when mistakes in the language (betraying the tokenism of the exercise) are jumping off the pages.



How about trying the Down GAA office?? ???


Any specific reason why championship fixtures appear in Irish and league in English???

Níl a fhios agam
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on June 03, 2009, 08:28:53 PM
Quote from: Leo on June 03, 2009, 06:01:20 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on June 03, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
Have to agree with An Cloch Scoilte re Leos post - Leo, your just an idiot who hasnt the intelligence to learn a bit of Irish - there only 50 odd clubs in Down - it's a poor reflection on you if you cant work out what their names are in Irish when they're written down in front of you, even though there may be the odd spelling mistake (as can happen in englsih - sorry Leo you probably couldnt work that one out so I'll try again - english).



Even those of limited intelligence (like me) are entitled to attend games without having to learn Irish.
Others of superior intelligence (like you) are entitled to your opinion without being called an idiot.

There are  plenty of idiots like myself who would have diffciulty with Rinn Mac Ghiolla Rua, Caislean Ruairi, Ceathru Aoidh Dhuibh, Cill Breachtain and others.
I suppose it's no surprise that the evangelical wing of the GAA would happily exclude us from our national games becaause of the limitations of our intellect and/or education.

Bí ciúin

Tá tinneas cinn orm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on June 04, 2009, 12:51:08 AM


Even those of limited intelligence (like me) are entitled to attend games without having to learn Irish.
Others of superior intelligence (like you) are entitled to your opinion without being called an idiot.

There are  plenty of idiots like myself who would have diffciulty with Rinn Mac Ghiolla Rua, Caislean Ruairi, Ceathru Aoidh Dhuibh, Cill Breachtain and others.
I suppose it's no surprise that the evangelical wing of the GAA would happily exclude us from our national games becaause of the limitations of our intellect and/or education.[/quote]

Leo, I doubt very much if the fixtures are published in Irish so that attendance of supporters is limited to those capable of recognising the respective Clubs! And I'm not aware that those who decide to publish the fixtures in Irish are part of an evangelical wing of the GAA - I think you're taking this a little too far.
But if you tried just a teeny weeny little bit, do you not think that when they are published next time, you might just remember them (especially the ones you are interested in). I tried googling the really difficult ones you mentioned in your post and in the very first hit for each got the english translation. Could you try that? And then try writing down the name of the Club in english with its Irish equivalent alongside it? You could then try learning these off by heart or keep a note of them in your wallet or hip pocket so that you can refer to them when you are having difficulty.
There are some of us who appreciate and wish to retain the Irish language within GAA structures (though unfortunately in a limited form in many areas) and this aspiration shouldnt be denied because you refuse to do a bit of homework to help you understand the various participants in Championship fixtures .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on June 04, 2009, 06:13:04 PM
simply if you care enough to want to go to a match of no relevance to your club (assuming you know your clubs irish name!) you should google it. All clubs in this day and age have websites. Gradually you pick them all up. Thus the GAA has succeded in broadening the knowledge of language. Which is one of the origianal aims of the association.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on June 04, 2009, 09:48:30 PM
Saval beat Clonduff tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 04, 2009, 09:51:18 PM
Quote from: Shortso79 on June 04, 2009, 09:48:30 PM
Saval beat Clonduff tonight

Any word of final score? Clonduff are struggling badly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 04, 2009, 11:10:18 PM
Clonduff 1.12 Saval 1.13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on June 05, 2009, 10:40:33 AM
www.campachomaic.com

Campa Chormaic Coming to Co. Down

PRESS RELEASE

CAMPA CHORMAIC BRANCHES OUT TO COUNTY DOWN

A major new initiative for Gaelic culture in County Down was launched recently in Castlewellan, with the establishment of a branch of Campa Chormaic for the first time in that county.

Dan Gordon, Down football Captain, launched Campa Chormaic An Dúin in St. Malachy's High School, where the Camp will be held this year between Monday 13 and Friday 17 July.

"It is an honour for me to be here tonight at the launch of Campa Chormaic An Dúin," said Dan. "I played against Cormac on a couple of occasions and he was a formidable opponent. As a teacher, I appreciate the value of an event such as this to promote Gaelic games among the youth. I wish the Camp every success."

Dan also endorsed the project. "I am delighted that this Camp will also take place in County Down this year. This demonstrates that a lot of progress is being made in respect of Gaelic culture within the GAA."

Campa Chormaic was founded in 2005 after the death of Tír Eoghain captain Cormac on 2 March 2004. The main aim behind the camp is to stir the interest of the youth in the areas surrounding Cormac's homeplace, in the Irish language and Gaelic games. The intention is to nurture in the children the same passion for Gaelic culture and local history that Cormac had. In its four years in Tír Eoghain the Camp has gone from strength to strength.

"As this is the first county outside of Tír Eoghain to set up a branch of Campa Chormaic, we hope to stage an excellent week, "said Rónán Mac Mathúna, Chairman of the Campa Chormaic An Dúin committee. "We would like to thank Dan for coming here tonight. We would also like to express our gratitude to our generous sponsors, Coiste Chontae CLG an Dúin and FPM Accountants; and to Conall Ó Máirtín, the Chairman of the Campa Chormaic Thír Eoghain Committee, for all his help in establishing the Campa in County Down.

The Camp will begin on Monday 13 July and continue until Friday 17 July, with classes beginning each day at 10 a.m. and ending at 4 p.m. It will cater for children between 10 and 16 years of age. Further information and application forms can be obtained from Ryan Doyle, Rúnaí, Campa Chormaic An Dúin, 17 Doyle's Road, Katesbridge, Co. Down, BT32 5NL; or ring 07799-474078, or visit www.campachormaic.com.


END
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on June 05, 2009, 01:43:43 PM
Quote

What is it with this nonesense of trying to publish championship fixtures and results in Irish? Apart from the incorrect spelling of many club names it denies information to those who have no Irish (that is most of us).
Thus the attempt fails to promote our games and also fails to promote the language, and is at a stroke contrary to two objectives of the GAA.
I've lost count of the many times some GAA neighbours from Armagh have asked me about senior championship games in Down they want to attend but couldn't find the fixtures in the paper.
By all means have the dual language information in match programmes but this is silly silly meaningless counter-productive stuff.



Right Leo you arrogant narrow minded p***k, if you need me to justify the use of Irish you deserve the abuse. Irish is our national language, before the colonization of this country by the English it was spoken by the vast majority of the people on the island. The policy of the English was/is to conquer the land and the people and one of the main ways of doing this was by wiping out the language and the culture. Every place, townland, parish, county, every field in ireland has an original name in Irish, a name with a meaning not a bastardised word made up by the English that sounds similar to the original but has no actual meaning eg's Áit tí Cathail - the place of Cathal's house, bastardised english version - Attical. Droim gath - the ridge of the spear, legend has it that St. patrick stood on the hill on Tamarí and said I'll throw this spear and where ever it lands we shall build the church, and hence the location of Droim Gath chapel in the valley below, bastardised english version- Drumgath. Every team in this county and indeed Ireland has a name in Irish a special name, a name with a story and history behind it, we should be proud of this culture and heritage and seek to learn more not walk talk and act like our english conquerors just because it is easier to do so. In fact we should take it one step further and only use the Irish names and banish the bastardised english versions to the dustbins of history. The aim of the GAA is to promote Irish culture, games and the Language, let us as Gaels do that and not fall into the rut of the sky sports brigade. And as for a few spelling mistakes, big f**king deal.
'Tír gan Teanga, Tír gan anam'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on June 05, 2009, 05:08:08 PM
Bullaí fir FG!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on June 05, 2009, 07:31:12 PM
Quote from: Leo on June 03, 2009, 08:38:15 AM
What is it with this nonesense of trying to publish championship fixtures and results in Irish?

How about ye try to learn the few dozen words (in your native language) required.



Or are you a lazy bastard that couldn't be fucked?

Balls in your court on that one...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 05, 2009, 08:52:57 PM
Tullylish 2-12 Bredagh 2-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 05, 2009, 09:04:18 PM
Div 1 Results

Castlewellan 1-13 Loughinisland 0-8
Bryansford 3-16 Warrenpoint 0-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 05, 2009, 09:08:06 PM
Dundrum 1-13 Ardglass 1-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on June 05, 2009, 09:20:05 PM
Glenn 0.11 Drumaness 0.09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 05, 2009, 09:22:47 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on June 05, 2009, 07:31:12 PM
Quote from: Leo on June 03, 2009, 08:38:15 AM
What is it with this nonesense of trying to publish championship fixtures and results in Irish?

How about ye try to learn the few dozen words (in your native language) required.



Or are you a lazy b**tard that couldn't be fucked?

Balls in your court on that one...


Why is it only championship though?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 05, 2009, 09:26:38 PM
saul beat teconnaught by a point...... St Johns beat st pauls by 2...... finn beat ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 05, 2009, 09:54:03 PM
Down site very slow night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 05, 2009, 09:58:25 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 05, 2009, 09:54:03 PM
Down site very slow night

As is my internet connection  >:(

Where you at the Tullylish/Bredagh game SB?

Personally, I think the team that goes up to Division 2 next year is going to be in for a very rough ride. The standard in Division 3 has been very poor this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 05, 2009, 11:18:21 PM
Why no result from the Drumgath v Aghaderg game?  Was it postponed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 05, 2009, 11:18:58 PM
Down Results
>
> Thurs 4th June
> ACFL Div 1
> Clonduff 1 12 Saval 1 13
> ACFL Div 2
> Darragh Cross 1 08 Shamrocks 2 07

> Fri 5th June
> ACFL Div 1
> Rostrevor 0 17 Longstone 0 08
> Castlewellan 1 13 Loughinisland 0 08
> Bryansford 3 16 Warrenpoint 0 08

> ACFL Div 2
> Carryduff 0 05 Downpatrick 0 16
> Atticall 0 04 Ballyholland 0 09
> Annaclone 0 11 An Riocht 1 16
> Ballymartin 0 10 Glasdrumman 1 05

> ACFL Div 3
> Dundrum 1 13 Ardglass 1 11
> Glenn 0 11 Drumaness 0 09
> St Pauls 1 07 St Johns 1 09
> Tullylish 212 Bredagh 2 11
> Saul 2 06 Teconnaught 0 11

> ACFL Div 4
> St John Bosco 2 11 Mitchels 2 09
> Dromara 1 11 Bright 0 11
> Ballykinlar 0 07 Aughlisnafinn 0 09
>
>
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 05, 2009, 11:56:32 PM
Dundrumite, as far as I recall, the decision to promote all championship, but not league, fixtures in Irish was passed by a vote at the Down county convention in the mid-1990s. There really should be a policy on the issue across Ulster, and there would be a good case for all club championship fixtures to be released in Irish, with English names in brackets afterwards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on June 06, 2009, 12:00:45 AM
Drumgath and aghaderg game down for monday according to down website
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 06, 2009, 12:25:33 AM
horray!!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 06, 2009, 12:58:01 AM
Ballyholland 0-9 Atticall 0-4

Harps were poor tonight but Atticall were shocking...they didnt score at all in the 2nd half.


For those of you from RGU who were moaning last week.... Murtagh was the difference again. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 06, 2009, 11:43:17 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 06, 2009, 12:58:01 AM
Ballyholland 0-9 Atticall 0-4

Harps were poor tonight but Atticall were shocking...they didnt score at all in the 2nd half.


For those of you from RGU who were moaning last week.... Murtagh was the difference again. ;)

How rude of him  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on June 06, 2009, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 05, 2009, 09:58:25 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 05, 2009, 09:54:03 PM
Down site very slow night

As is my internet connection  >:(

Where you at the Tullylish/Bredagh game SB?

Personally, I think the team that goes up to Division 2 next year is going to be in for a very rough ride. The standard in Division 3 has been very poor this year.

Was at the game DF. as you say the standard in division 3 seems to have dropped drastically. tullylish always looked more threatening in front of goal but bredagh kept pegging them back even though they were down to 14 for a large part of the second half. ref was very bad, i would think that bredagh feel fairly hard done by.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 06, 2009, 02:05:40 PM
i would think that bredagh feel fairly hard done by.

was he that bad BTW? as stated I diddnt make the game but it seems from whay you say the ref was, well not very good for Bredagh?

 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on June 06, 2009, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: Fíor Gael on June 05, 2009, 01:43:43 PM
Quote

What is it with this nonesense of trying to publish championship fixtures and results in Irish? Apart from the incorrect spelling of many club names it denies information to those who have no Irish (that is most of us).
Thus the attempt fails to promote our games and also fails to promote the language, and is at a stroke contrary to two objectives of the GAA.
I've lost count of the many times some GAA neighbours from Armagh have asked me about senior championship games in Down they want to attend but couldn't find the fixtures in the paper.
By all means have the dual language information in match programmes but this is silly silly meaningless counter-productive stuff.



Right Leo you arrogant narrow minded p***k, if you need me to justify the use of Irish you deserve the abuse. Irish is our national language, before the colonization of this country by the English it was spoken by the vast majority of the people on the island. The policy of the English was/is to conquer the land and the people and one of the main ways of doing this was by wiping out the language and the culture. Every place, townland, parish, county, every field in ireland has an original name in Irish, a name with a meaning not a bastardised word made up by the English that sounds similar to the original but has no actual meaning eg's Áit tí Cathail - the place of Cathal's house, bastardised english version - Attical. Droim gath - the ridge of the spear, legend has it that St. patrick stood on the hill on Tamarí and said I'll throw this spear and where ever it lands we shall build the church, and hence the location of Droim Gath chapel in the valley below, bastardised english version- Drumgath. Every team in this county and indeed Ireland has a name in Irish a special name, a name with a story and history behind it, we should be proud of this culture and heritage and seek to learn more not walk talk and act like our english conquerors just because it is easier to do so. In fact we should take it one step further and only use the Irish names and banish the bastardised english versions to the dustbins of history. The aim of the GAA is to promote Irish culture, games and the Language, let us as Gaels do that and not fall into the rut of the sky sports brigade. And as for a few spelling mistakes, big f**king deal.
'Tír gan Teanga, Tír gan anam'

Well, thats him told!
Fairplay to ya!
Your spot on too!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on June 06, 2009, 03:34:26 PM
Here you know the way the Ulster Council are goin for this whole 'Land of the Giants' theme for the championship, and the idea is pretty good like, with all the captains on the causeway..but..Im asuming the look they are going for is that they all look really hard, y'know, like tight? Is it just me or does Ciaran McKeever look more suprised, than tight?  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 07, 2009, 12:14:12 AM
Fermanagh's defeat against Cavan was a pretty telling indication our of own position. Cavan, a limited but reasonably well organised side, were able to beat Fermanagh despite conceding a dreadful goal early on. It's clear that Fermanagh are ordinary enough, and have probably gone backwards since last summer. However, they were still able to play us off the park in the last quarter at Enniskillen. We are now at best 8th out of nine in Ulster. If Antrim put up a decent performance next week, we will be 9th of nine. We can give the qualifiers our best shot, but the need for fundamental change has never been more urgent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on June 07, 2009, 12:37:53 AM
Quote[quote author=Mourne Rover link=topic=25.msg561818#msg561818 date=1244330052]
Fermanagh's defeat against Cavan was a pretty telling indication our of own position. Cavan, a limited but reasonably well organised side, were able to beat Fermanagh despite conceding a dreadful goal early on. It's clear that Fermanagh are ordinary enough, and have probably gone backwards since last summer. However, they were still able to play us off the park in the last quarter at Enniskillen. We are now at best 8th out of nine in Ulster. If Antrim put up a decent performance next week, we will be 9th of nine. We can give the qualifiers our best shot, but the need for fundamental change has never been more urgent.
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Well said, Mourne Rover. I totally agree. Down have sliipped dreadfully over the past number of year and to be in the position we are in (you are right, 8th or possibly 9th in Ulster) is an absolute disgrace for a once proud footballing county. Its a long time since a draw against Down would have been considered an easy touch but thats what we are now - an easy touch. Time for a root and branch review of footbal in Down, right down to the primary schools!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on June 07, 2009, 12:41:50 AM
Quote
Just came across this comment. TheClutch, you obviously have a very negative opinion of the Johnnies.. Yes they have had a good start to the year but is it luck or are they really a team on the up?? Dunno, but I heard one of them swear last year that they could have a right go at the senior championship - reckoned they would give the Bridge a run for their money! Nothing like a positive outlook!!! IMHO, I think the Johnnies are riding luick - Div 3 is woeful this year and the Johnnies arent a good team - come the end of the season,I expect them to be in the middle of the bottom half of the table (which isn't as as low as I originally thought - I must admit as I was pipping them for relegation which might'nt happen now until next season)  The Drumaness defeat was a big blow and the win over a poor Str Pauls tells us nothing about their the potential of the Johnnies. Im not a bettin man, but the Bridge need'nt start worrying just yet!!!!

i agree,division 3 has been very poor this year and the results are coming down to what ever team makes the least mistakes.i wouldnt bet against the johnies fancying their luck against the bridge, they are a very arrogant,over-confident team.
on another topic, fermanagh being beat today truely shows the level down seniors are playing at in recent times.many people point to the management for the poor results, this may be true, truely the players only can know this, but maybe they are simply not good enough?
another thing i picked up on today was the referee, i thought he didnt let very much go. this is identical to the type of refing that goes on in down. Down football has lost its physicality because of poor refereing and this is an obvious reflection on our countys defence(except of course for Aidan "rocky" Carr  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on June 07, 2009, 01:18:06 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on June 07, 2009, 12:41:50 AM
Quote
Just came across this comment. TheClutch, you obviously have a very negative opinion of the Johnnies.. Yes they have had a good start to the year but is it luck or are they really a team on the up?? Dunno, but I heard one of them swear last year that they could have a right go at the senior championship - reckoned they would give the Bridge a run for their money! Nothing like a positive outlook!!! IMHO, I think the Johnnies are riding luick - Div 3 is woeful this year and the Johnnies arent a good team - come the end of the season,I expect them to be in the middle of the bottom half of the table (which isn't as as low as I originally thought - I must admit as I was pipping them for relegation which might'nt happen now until next season)  The Drumaness defeat was a big blow and the win over a poor Str Pauls tells us nothing about their the potential of the Johnnies. Im not a bettin man, but the Bridge need'nt start worrying just yet!!!!

i agree,division 3 has been very poor this year and the results are coming down to what ever team makes the least mistakes.i wouldnt bet against the johnies fancying their luck against the bridge, they are a very arrogant,over-confident team.
on another topic, fermanagh being beat today truely shows the level down seniors are playing at in recent times.many people point to the management for the poor results, this may be true, truely the players only can know this, but maybe they are simply not good enough?
another thing i picked up on today was the referee, i thought he didnt let very much go. this is identical to the type of refing that goes on in down. Down football has lost its physicality because of poor refereing and this is an obvious reflection on our countys defence(except of course for Aidan "rocky" Carr  ;D
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Heard the match on the radio (Ulster) and the referee seemed to be very particular - blew up for disputable hand passes, over carrying etc. What did you make of the "afters" in the second half - ref didnt seem to have a clue what happened and according to the broadcasters, a couple of guys should have walked!! I agree that our southern cousins seem to enjoy more lenient refereeing as regards the physical side, but the ref today was sharp on the finer points of the rules!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 07, 2009, 02:00:26 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on June 07, 2009, 12:27:53 AM
[quote author=TheClutch link=topic=25.msg557753#msg557753 date=1243896934]
Good to see Drumaness beating St.Johns. This should ruffle their feathers i believe and their good run of the season i hope is over. All credit to them for a great start to the year, but i still cant see them being serious promotion candidates for this year
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Just came across this comment. TheClutch, you obviously have a very negative opinion of the Johnnies.. Yes they have had a good start to the year but is it luck or are they really a team on the up?? Dunno, but I heard one of them swear last year that they could have a right go at the senior championship - reckoned they would give the Bridge a run for their money! Nothing like a positive outlook!!! IMHO, I think the Johnnies are riding luick - Div 3 is woeful this year and the Johnnies arent a good team - come the end of the season,I expect them to be in the middle of the bottom half of the table (which isn't as as low as I originally thought - I must admit as I was pipping them for relegation which might'nt happen now until next season)  The Drumaness defeat was a big blow and the win over a poor Str Pauls tells us nothing about their the potential of the Johnnies. Im not a bettin man, but the Bridge need'nt start worrying just yet!!!!



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Daddy long legs, correct me if i am wrong but did you not have a go at Down Fanatic last year claiming he was jealous of St Johns? Interesting change of stance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 07, 2009, 01:19:34 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 07, 2009, 02:00:26 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on June 07, 2009, 12:27:53 AM
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Good to see Drumaness beating St.Johns. This should ruffle their feathers i believe and their good run of the season i hope is over. All credit to them for a great start to the year, but i still cant see them being serious promotion candidates for this year
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Just came across this comment. TheClutch, you obviously have a very negative opinion of the Johnnies.. Yes they have had a good start to the year but is it luck or are they really a team on the up?? Dunno, but I heard one of them swear last year that they could have a right go at the senior championship - reckoned they would give the Bridge a run for their money! Nothing like a positive outlook!!! IMHO, I think the Johnnies are riding luick - Div 3 is woeful this year and the Johnnies arent a good team - come the end of the season,I expect them to be in the middle of the bottom half of the table (which isn't as as low as I originally thought - I must admit as I was pipping them for relegation which might'nt happen now until next season)  The Drumaness defeat was a big blow and the win over a poor Str Pauls tells us nothing about their the potential of the Johnnies. Im not a bettin man, but the Bridge need'nt start worrying just yet!!!!




Daddy long legs, correct me if i am wrong but did you not have a go at Down Fanatic last year claiming he was jealous of St Johns? Interesting change of stance.
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Thankfully I got over that fit of jealously. It had totally consumed me ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on June 07, 2009, 01:22:02 PM
BRINGING BACK THE DOWN TEAMS OF THE 1960S – Ó FIAICH LIBRARY, MONDAY 15 JUNE

The heroics of the all-conquering Down Gaelic football teams of the 1960s will be relived in a special night of nostalgia in the Cardinal Ó Fiaich Library and Archive, Armagh, on Monday 15 June, at 7.30 p.m.

A special feature of the event will be a show of extended cinema newsreel and television footage of major Down games between 1959 and 1968. Excerpts from the following games, some of which have not been televised in the subsequent five decades, will number among those on display:

• 1959 All-Ireland semi-final, Galway v. Down
• 1960 All-Ireland final, Down v. Kerry
• 1961 All-Ireland final, Down v. Offaly
• 1961 Wembley tournament, Down v. Kerry
• 1968 All-Ireland final, Down v. Kerry

The event will begin with a talk by 1968 winning captain Joe Lennon about the Down teams of the period and reflections on a lifetime's involvement in Gaelic games. Austin O Callaghan (BBC), Fear an Tí for the evening, will later put a few questions to some of the other Down players of the era in attendance.

The occasion will also mark the opening of the second phase of the Ó Fiaich Library's Ulster GAA 125 Years history exhibition, from 1960 to the present day. The exhibition contains many items relating to the Down teams of the 1960s, including photographs, newspaper reports, awards and playing gear.

It is further intended to use the occasion to launch an appeal for any other footage relating to the Down teams of this period, which may be currently in private possession, with a view to the production of a fiftieth anniversary documentary / DVD in 2010.

The evening will be informal in character, and is open to all. Admission is free. Light refreshments will be served.

For more information, please contact the Ó Fiaich Library at 028-37522981.


copied from www.downgaa.net
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 07, 2009, 07:29:08 PM
Quote from: lroberts680 on June 07, 2009, 07:09:21 PM
Does anyone know what the dates for the down junior hurling championship semi finals are and where the matches are taking place. TOWN FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP

It would be easier to find out the Third Secret of Fatima.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on June 08, 2009, 12:48:46 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on June 07, 2009, 12:37:53 AM
Quote[quote author=Mourne Rover link=topic=25.msg561818#msg561818 date=1244330052]
Fermanagh's defeat against Cavan was a pretty telling indication our of own position. Cavan, a limited but reasonably well organised side, were able to beat Fermanagh despite conceding a dreadful goal early on. It's clear that Fermanagh are ordinary enough, and have probably gone backwards since last summer. However, they were still able to play us off the park in the last quarter at Enniskillen. We are now at best 8th out of nine in Ulster. If Antrim put up a decent performance next week, we will be 9th of nine. We can give the qualifiers our best shot, but the need for fundamental change has never been more urgent.
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Well said, Mourne Rover. I totally agree. Down have sliipped dreadfully over the past number of year and to be in the position we are in (you are right, 8th or possibly 9th in Ulster) is an absolute disgrace for a once proud footballing county. Its a long time since a draw against Down would have been considered an easy touch but thats what we are now - an easy touch. Time for a root and branch review of footbal in Down, right down to the primary schools!!!
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down football might be in a decline but i can guarantee you you dont need to come down to primary school level to look for the problem as there is a great committee looking after over 50 competing schools in all competitions and promoting gaelic games at the highest level. what happens these children when the leave us? the primary teachers of county down know we have developed the youth of the county in all codes of our organisation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 08, 2009, 04:24:18 PM
Longstone beat Bryansford by a point in the Senior 7's Final, Ardglass destroyed Glenn in the Junior and the Ford beat Burren in the Minor decider at yesterday's Feis in Castlewellan.

I heard this event was not very well attended. The county board also had the wisdom to organise ACPRL fixtures at the same time.

Is the Feis a thing of the past?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 08, 2009, 04:53:48 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 08, 2009, 04:24:18 PM
Longstone beat Bryansford by a point in the Senior 7's Final, Ardglass destroyed Glenn in the Junior and the Ford beat Burren in the Minor decider at yesterday's Feis in Castlewellan.

I heard this event was not very well attended. The county board also had the wisdom to organise ACPRL fixtures at the same time.

Is the Feis a thing of the past?

diddnt even know it was on DF, wouldnt have went anyway as we had a game in the reserve league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 08, 2009, 08:46:36 PM
Div three Result

Drumaness 2-8 Bredagh 3-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 08, 2009, 09:14:11 PM
Div one Results

Kilcoo 0-13 Liatriom 0-7

Burren and Bridge drew. Never heard final score.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on June 08, 2009, 09:37:41 PM
anybody know who won between drumgath and adhaderg guessing drumgath but i would be shocked if drumgath don't win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 08, 2009, 09:44:56 PM
Monday 08th June 2009

O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Burren  0-13 1-10 Mayobridge  Burren Round 9 
Kilcoo  0-13 0-7 Liatriom  Kilcoo Round 9 

O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Clann na Banna  0-9 0-12 Kilclief  Clann na Banna Round 9 

O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Aghaderg  1-10 4-10 Drumgath  Aghaderg Round 9
Drumaness 2-08  Bredagh 3-08  Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 08, 2009, 10:58:38 PM
QuoteO Neills Down SFL Division 2
Clann na Banna  0-9 0-12 Kilclief  Clann na Banna Round 9 

Poor enough game in Banbridge tonight.  A hateful hoor of a pitch!  Think Kilclief just about deserved it, Ciaran Sloan had a superb second half.  Clann na Banna will not be happy with the ref who had a shocker!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on June 08, 2009, 11:03:20 PM
Bridge hardly deserved to draw tonight, Burren were the better team throughout! Very impressed with the movement in their forward line,  especially Kevin McKernan playing corner forward and James McGovern. They will be hard to stop this year. But Bridge werent firing on all cylinders tonight. Think its still seven years since Burren have beaten us!! We'll take the point anyway!   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on June 09, 2009, 12:01:06 AM
Burren were very unlucky not to win tonight.

For me the bridges big weakness is the back line and goalie, liam coulter just isnt up to scratch, but i do think that young fella strain will make it. a few more games at top level and he wont be far away.
in the meantime, what happened to feathestone, he was some keeper and a big loss to the bridge. he had a great kick out!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on June 09, 2009, 01:08:28 AM
Liam coulter did get a couple of 'powerade' all stars...he must have done something right..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 09, 2009, 01:20:54 AM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on June 09, 2009, 12:01:06 AM
Burren were very unlucky not to win tonight.

For me the bridges big weakness is the back line and goalie, liam coulter just isnt up to scratch, but i do think that young fella strain will make it. a few more games at top level and he wont be far away.
in the meantime, what happened to feathestone, he was some keeper and a big loss to the bridge. he had a great kick out!


Liam Coulter was not playing tonight, two years ago he won a powerade all-star while last year he went through the championship campaign without conceding a goal!!!!!

We had our worst performance of the season tonight!!! We played well for fifteen minutes in the second half and could have won it in the end!!! Burren seemed to panic when they went ahead!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on June 09, 2009, 08:20:57 AM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on June 09, 2009, 01:08:28 AM
Liam coulter did get a couple of 'powerade' all stars...he must have done something right..

I would nt read too much into those powerade all star's, sure isnt one of the judges from the Bridge!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 09, 2009, 09:08:47 AM
Quote from: amallon on May 19, 2009, 02:19:27 PM
DaddyLongLegs - Castlewellan have a great record against us at home and even with full teams we have lost down there and I like yourself didn't expect a win last night either.  I had a meeting last night and didn't get to the game but spoke to a few people who were at after the game was over and they were raging with the refs performance.  Even the normally mild mannered ones weren't happy. 

Wobbler - Sean Featherstone is into Triathons now and doesn't bother with the football at all.

Think this is the answer!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 09, 2009, 11:45:22 AM
Did Bosco play Dromara last night?

Edit to say found out dromara went to the wrong place then when bosco went to where they were half the team had left...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on June 09, 2009, 05:25:04 PM

How did Daniel Mc Cartan play? i take it he was marking Coulter?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 09, 2009, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 09, 2009, 11:45:22 AM
Did Bosco play Dromara last night?

Edit to say found out dromara went to the wrong place then when bosco went to where they were half the team had left...

How did that happen? Comical!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 09, 2009, 11:53:41 PM
Anybody tell me the outcome of the Round 8 Ardglass v Glen game?  (Can't be bothered looking back through the tread)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 10, 2009, 08:44:32 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on June 09, 2009, 11:53:41 PM
Anybody tell me the outcome of the Round 8 Ardglass v Glen game?  (Can't be bothered looking back through the tread)

is it not being played this monday night? 15th??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on June 10, 2009, 09:44:13 AM
Any minor results from last night?

St Mary's defeated Bredagh by 9 in the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on June 10, 2009, 09:56:25 AM
Anybody tell me the outcome of the Round 8 Ardglass v Glen game?  (Can't be bothered looking back through the tread)


is it not being played this monday night? 15th??

yes this Ardglass V Glen game goes ahead next monday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 10, 2009, 09:01:37 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on June 10, 2009, 09:44:13 AM
Any minor results from last night?

St Mary's defeated Bredagh by 9 in the end.

We beat Cill Darach by 0-11 to 0-04 in Section B.

Ardglass are walking away with this section but f**k knows what the table looks like as St Pauls and Saul pulled out and Drumaness and Cill Breactain have only fielded a couple of times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 10, 2009, 11:20:24 PM
Downpatrick have withdrawn from the minor league I believe
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on June 11, 2009, 10:08:07 AM
Drumaness are on the brink of withdrawing. U16 Managment refuse to supplement the minor team (which is already small) and most weeks its unable to field with out them.

Heard there was to be a meeting but that will cause more rows.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 11, 2009, 10:15:43 AM
Football in East Down's in a bad way when so many clubs can't field minor teams. How has it come to this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on June 11, 2009, 10:49:49 AM
soccer.

No excuse for drumaness though, there are enough players able to play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on June 11, 2009, 11:31:06 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 11, 2009, 10:15:43 AM
Football in East Down's in a bad way when so many clubs can't field minor teams. How has it come to this?
Doesn't help with games, particularly Championship, scheduled for the middle of GCSE's and A levels.
If you look at last week championship fixtures it was 3/4 teams expected to travel in peak exam time who did not field.
There are other issues at play as well but playing these games at end of may & June is counter productive
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on June 11, 2009, 12:30:43 PM
A problem this year is the fact that minor games are played the evening before U-16 games.Players should be able to play for their own age group first in the week and then if they are fit play for the older teams,which is important in smaller clubs.Our minor team would be made up of mostly u-16s and often this year one or two pick up a knock and cant play for the 16s the following evening.Without our 16s we would not have a minor team.
I heard it was the minor county management who requested the nights of minor football be changed,I would say alot of clubs will be looking for this to be changed back.
Alot of these teams not being able to field though i put down to laziness,Saul?Drumaness?RGU?The mentors cant be bothered half the time.
U-16 football in the East Down A section is off a good standard and is much better than Minor B section.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: billy the kid on June 11, 2009, 01:01:07 PM
Thought this might interest some of you.



The Ulster Camogie Council are making a massive push ahead of their Ulster Finals.  Can you support them by publisizing their finals in all Clubs, Club and County Websites and all local Media (Radio and Newspapers)

Please Find attached the Final Poster and the Children's (U14) Free Ticket.



ULSTER CAMOGIE CHAMPIONSHIP FINALS 2009

PAIRC ESLER, NEWRY
SATURDAY 4th JULY
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Ulster Camogie: Press Release – By. Niamh Archibald (Ulster Camogie PRO)



Ulster Camogie hosted the 2009 Provincial Championship Finals launch on Friday evening at the finals venue at Pairc Esler Newry.  Mayor of Newry and Mourne District Colman Burns was present to help launch the Ulster Finals.

Mayor Burns said: "Ulster Council should be commended for their dedication to making the Ulster Final a festival of camogie which could be enjoyed by all the family.

"The hard-work that has gone in by all those involved should be commended, this will be the best final Ulster Camogie has witnessed. The teams, players and officials are lucky to be taking part in such a momentous occasion.

Catherine O'Hara Chairperson of Ulster Camogie said: "The GAA has to be congratulated for giving us the opportunity to create what we hope will be the finest Ulster Final. They have worked tirelessly to ensure that we have a pitch and date which we can build around. Danny Murphy and Tom Daly have to be thanked for giving us this unique opportunity, we hope with their continued support and help to make the Ulster Final an annual event which will be placed in every GAA calendar.

"It's now up to us, as an association, in a Province with a unique history to get behind our own sport and be visibly seen supporting the game we are so proud to be part of. It's about respecting  ourselves first.

On behalf of the Council Iwould like to wish all the finalists and officials  the best of luck. Pairc Esler on 4th July is where we should all be.

Two fabulous finals and the buzz that goes hand in hand with finals day is one not to be missed."

Also present at the Launch was Ulster Secretary Danny Murphy . The Provincial GAA Director spoke of the need to support Camogie. Danny Murphy stated that the time has come for Camogie to receive the respect and recognition it deserved saying: "for some time now the Camogie Association has been saying that it should get more respect. I'm a big believer that respect is not given but earned and you only have to look at what Ulster Camogie is trying to achieve with this Final to know that they are worthy of our respect."

The Ulster Finals will take place on the 4th July, with Tyrone facing Monaghan in the Junior Final, whilst neighbours Derry and Antrim will battle it out for the Senior title.

(For all the latest updates log onto www.ulstercamogie.ie )

CLICK BELOW TO VIEW - Ulster Camogie Final Promo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_KH5og1zwY

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on June 11, 2009, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on June 11, 2009, 12:30:43 PM
A problem this year is the fact that minor games are played the evening before U-16 games.Players should be able to play for their own age group first in the week and then if they are fit play for the older teams,which is important in smaller clubs.Our minor team would be made up of mostly u-16s and often this year one or two pick up a knock and cant play for the 16s the following evening.Without our 16s we would not have a minor team.
I heard it was the minor county management who requested the nights of minor football be changed,I would say alot of clubs will be looking for this to be changed back.
Alot of these teams not being able to field though i put down to laziness,Saul?Drumaness?RGU?The mentors cant be bothered half the time.
U-16 football in the East Down A section is off a good standard and is much better than Minor B section.

Just a bit of a generalisation there Bitta don't ya think? Prior to leagues being drawn up this year, Saul submitted a request to the ED open mtg that minor games be switched back to start in Feb (Sundays) so that they were clear of the exam period plus didn't overlap with U16s on which most clubs are dependent for players. This was rejected by a number of clubs and so the games are slap-bang in exam phase (which is obviously what most others wanted). We're seeing the knock-on from that decision now and ED really have to handle this differently next year.  In terms of mentors not being bothered, that certainly wasn't the case in our club as we had a motivated management team in place but the commitment to turn up to training/coaching from enough of the minor players wasn't great enough to field without large nums of U16s (who as you've pointed out were going to have their own games the night after the minor ones) and so decision (unfortunate but right in the end) was taken to withdraw well before the league started. Sad but true ....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on June 11, 2009, 07:02:25 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on June 11, 2009, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on June 11, 2009, 12:30:43 PM
A problem this year is the fact that minor games are played the evening before U-16 games.Players should be able to play for their own age group first in the week and then if they are fit play for the older teams,which is important in smaller clubs.Our minor team would be made up of mostly u-16s and often this year one or two pick up a knock and cant play for the 16s the following evening.Without our 16s we would not have a minor team.
I heard it was the minor county management who requested the nights of minor football be changed,I would say alot of clubs will be looking for this to be changed back.
Alot of these teams not being able to field though i put down to laziness,Saul?Drumaness?RGU?The mentors cant be bothered half the time.
U-16 football in the East Down A section is off a good standard and is much better than Minor B section.
Bitta you will find that the So Called BIGGER clubs asked for the league to stay as is and subsequently the saul motion was voted out, not sure what their reasons where but it's the smaller clubs who are now suffering because of it.

Just a bit of a generalisation there Bitta don't ya think? Prior to leagues being drawn up this year, Saul submitted a request to the ED open mtg that minor games be switched back to start in Feb (Sundays) so that they were clear of the exam period plus didn't overlap with U16s on which most clubs are dependent for players. This was rejected by a number of clubs and so the games are slap-bang in exam phase (which is obviously what most others wanted). We're seeing the knock-on from that decision now and ED really have to handle this differently next year.  In terms of mentors not being bothered, that certainly wasn't the case in our club as we had a motivated management team in place but the commitment to turn up to training/coaching from enough of the minor players wasn't great enough to field without large nums of U16s (who as you've pointed out were going to have their own games the night after the minor ones) and so decision (unfortunate but right in the end) was taken to withdraw well before the league started. Sad but true ....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 11, 2009, 08:38:44 PM
There are a number of solutions to the problems that are inherent within the East Down Minor Leagues at the moment. Some are more radical than others.

The best solution would be to start the Minor Leagues in mid February. This was the case a number of years ago and in my opinion it worked really well. Games were played on Sundays and the Leagues were usually wound up at the end of April. This left the rest of the Summer for the MFC.

Some of the smaller clubs rely on a lot of U-16's to make up their Minor teams. With U-16's on the following night from Minor games, this is severely reducing the chances of a player combining both.

Although I believe football is a great respite during exam time, the increasing pressure on young fellas to concentrate wholly on their studies from teachers and parents inevitably leads them to opting for studying over playing matches. The exams stretch from mid May until the end of June and usually there are 6 or so games during this period which a sizeable amount of GCSE and A Level students wont play in.

Also, with the Minor Leagues not starting until April, this means that the majority of players from the smaller clubs are having to combine Minor, Reserve and Senior football all in one week. Ill give you an example of a player in our club: Sunday: Reserves game, Monday: Minor training, Tuesday: Minor game, Wednesday: Senior training and then Friday: Senior game. That leaves Thursdays and Saturdays as his only free days off from football.

The bigger clubs such as Carryduff, Kilcoo and Bryansford etc dont face half the problems that the smaller clubs face. Their Minor teams are generally made up of players who are exclusively of Minor age. Also, only a small handful of their Minor players will be playing Reserve football or even Senior football for that matter.

Hopefully at the next East Down convention some of the bigger clubs will see sense and vote for changes to the Minor Leagues. There is no doubt that proposals from the smaller clubs will be put forward. If the status quo remains then we are going to see a similar pattern of teams withdrawing and not fielding.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 11, 2009, 09:00:46 PM
Senior
Rostrevor 0.5 Mayobridge 2.8
Cathal Magee got 2 goals
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 11, 2009, 09:47:11 PM
Quote from: umpire on June 11, 2009, 09:00:46 PM
Senior
Rostrevor 0.5 Mayobridge 2.8
Cathal Magee got 2 goals

2 goalkeepin errors for the two goals. Bridge had Barry sent off in the first half. Weird game, we played well but somehow ended up getting beaten by quite a bit in the end!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 11, 2009, 09:55:42 PM
An Riocht  2-11 0-9 Glasdrumman  in Div 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 12, 2009, 09:07:19 PM
Div one Results

Loughinisland 1-11 Bryansford 4-11
Kilcoo 1-9 Warrenpoint 0-12
Saval and Burren also drew.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on June 12, 2009, 09:23:18 PM
dundrum beat Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on June 12, 2009, 09:31:49 PM
glenn beat st johns by 14 points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 12, 2009, 09:40:30 PM
Friday 12th June 2009

O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Loughinisland  0-11 4-11 Bryansford  Loughinisland Round 10 
Kilcoo  1-9 0-12 Warrenpoint  Kilcoo Round 10 

O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ardglass  6-17 1-6 St Pauls  Ardglass Round 10 
Saul  1-10 3-10 Tullylish  Saul Round 10
Drumaness 0-11 0-14 Dundrum  Drumaness Round 10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on June 12, 2009, 09:47:47 PM
RGU bt Darragh Cross by 1pt.
Poor enough game 7-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 12, 2009, 09:49:22 PM
Drumgath beat Teconnaught by 5. Also heard that Carryduff turned over Ballyholland by a point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on June 12, 2009, 09:49:48 PM
Quote from: dundroma on June 12, 2009, 09:31:49 PM
glenn beat st johns by 14 points


That'll bring them back to this planet with a bang, if it's true :P :P ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on June 12, 2009, 09:56:04 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on June 12, 2009, 09:49:48 PM
Quote from: dundroma on June 12, 2009, 09:31:49 PM
glenn beat st johns by 14 points


That'll bring them back to this planet with a bang, if it's true :P :P ;D ;D


Glenn 3.15 St Johns 1.7

massive win for Ardglass. We travel there mon nite, should be intresting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 12, 2009, 09:58:12 PM
Quote from: general on June 12, 2009, 09:56:04 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on June 12, 2009, 09:49:48 PM
Quote from: dundroma on June 12, 2009, 09:31:49 PM
glenn beat st johns by 14 points


That'll bring them back to this planet with a bang, if it's true :P :P ;D ;D


Glenn 3.15 St Johns 1.7

What did Matty Bagnall get of Glenn's total?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 12, 2009, 10:25:31 PM
League table for O Neills Down SFL Division 3

Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts

Tullylish  10 8 1 1 137 113 24 17
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Glenn  9 7 2 0 135 86 49 14
Bredagh  10 7 3 0 164 117 47 14
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Drumgath  10 6 2 2 133 111 22 14
St Johns  10 6 3 1 124 123 1 13
Ardglass  9 5 3 1 153 119 34 11
Dundrum  10 4 3 3 132 123 9 11
Saul  10 3 4 3 129 147 -18 9
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Teconnaught  10 2 6 2 89 108 -19 6
Drumaness  10 2 8 0 122 144 -22 4
St Pauls  10 1 8 1 96 158 -62 3
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Aghaderg  10 1 9 0 96 161 -65 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 12, 2009, 10:26:38 PM
Friday 12th June 2009

O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Saval  1-8 0-11 Burren  Saval Round 10 
Loughinisland  0-11 4-11 Bryansford  Loughinisland Round 10 
Kilcoo  1-9 0-12 Warrenpoint  Kilcoo Round 10 

O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Downpatrick  0-7 0-6 Darragh Cross  Downpatrick Round 10 
Carryduff  1-8 1-7 Ballyholland  Carryduff Round 10 
Kilclief  0-15 1-9 Ballymartin  Kilclief Round 10 

O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Drumaness  0-11 0-14 Dundrum  Drumaness Round 10 
Glenn  3-15 1-7 St Johns  Glenn Round 10 
Ardglass  6-17 1-6 St Pauls  Ardglass Round 10 
Saul  1-10 3-10 Tullylish  Saul Round 10 
Bredagh  0-18 0-6 Aghaderg  Bredagh Round 10 
Teconnaught  0-6 1-7 Drumgath  Teconnaught Round 10 

O Neills Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
St Michaels  3-21 1-11 Ballykinlar  St Michaels Round 10 
Aughlisnafin  0-4 0-9 Dromara  Aughlisnafin Round 10 
Bright  1-5 3-4 St John Bosco  Bright Round 10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on June 12, 2009, 10:38:39 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 12, 2009, 09:58:12 PM
Quote from: general on June 12, 2009, 09:56:04 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on June 12, 2009, 09:49:48 PM
Quote from: dundroma on June 12, 2009, 09:31:49 PM
glenn beat st johns by 14 points


That'll bring them back to this planet with a bang, if it's true :P :P ;D ;D


Glenn 3.15 St Johns 1.7

What did Matty Bagnall get of Glenn's total?

3 points i think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on June 13, 2009, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 12, 2009, 10:25:31 PM
League table for O Neills Down SFL Division 3

Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts

Tullylish  10 8 1 1 137 113 24 17
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Glenn  9 7 2 0 135 86 49 14
Bredagh  10 7 3 0 164 117 47 14
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Drumgath  10 6 2 2 133 111 22 14
St Johns  10 6 3 1 124 123 1 13
Ardglass  9 5 3 1 153 119 34 11
Dundrum  10 4 3 3 132 123 9 11
Saul  10 3 4 3 129 147 -18 9
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Teconnaught  10 2 6 2 89 108 -19 6
Drumaness  10 2 8 0 122 144 -22 4
St Pauls  10 1 8 1 96 158 -62 3
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Aghaderg  10 1 9 0 96 161 -65 2


Is there a 3 way play off for relegated teams or what happens?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 13, 2009, 11:46:11 AM
the top team qualifies for the league final, the next two play off to play the top team with the winner being promoted, only one up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 13, 2009, 11:59:36 AM
QuoteO Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Downpatrick  0-7 0-6 Darragh Cross  Downpatrick Round 10 
Carryduff  1-8 1-7 Ballyholland  Carryduff Round 10 
Kilclief  0-15 1-9 Ballymartin  Kilclief Round 10 

How the f**k did Carryduff beat Ballyholland?  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on June 13, 2009, 12:13:30 PM
Warrenpoint Shouldve had the win!
Referee was a joke!! We scored a perfectly good point in first half which the umpire gave but theirs disagreed ref never even consulted either.
Kilcoo also wasted time near the end as our boys were in ascendancy & ref added no time whatsoever on.
The standard in the county is dire men of 15/16 stone who are 40 yards from play & then give decisions that annoys everyone.
This was the same ref who done us a few weeks ago & again cost us 2 points!
Not sour grapes just annoyed that we dont seem to be getting same decisions as the so called bigger teams get.......its hard enough in Div 1 without that added on.

But we played some great football & outplayed Kilcoo for long parts.
Behind the wire it was generally agreed we had played the better football.....but on to next week!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on June 13, 2009, 12:14:46 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on June 13, 2009, 10:50:59 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 12, 2009, 10:25:31 PM
League table for O Neills Down SFL Division 3

Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts

Tullylish  10 8 1 1 137 113 24 17
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Glenn  9 7 2 0 135 86 49 14
Bredagh  10 7 3 0 164 117 47 14
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Drumgath  10 6 2 2 133 111 22 14
St Johns  10 6 3 1 124 123 1 13
Ardglass  9 5 3 1 153 119 34 11
Dundrum  10 4 3 3 132 123 9 11
Saul  10 3 4 3 129 147 -18 9
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Teconnaught  10 2 6 2 89 108 -19 6
Drumaness  10 2 8 0 122 144 -22 4
St Pauls  10 1 8 1 96 158 -62 3
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Aghaderg  10 1 9 0 96 161 -65 2


Is there a 3 way play off for relegated teams or what happens?

I think the bottom club is automatically relegated with the next 3 playing off with 2 more going down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on June 13, 2009, 07:46:41 PM
how does 1 up 3 down work?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 13, 2009, 08:25:38 PM
Quote from: guevara on June 13, 2009, 12:13:30 PM
Warrenpoint Shouldve had the win!
Referee was a joke!! We scored a perfectly good point in first half which the umpire gave but theirs disagreed ref never even consulted either.
Kilcoo also wasted time near the end as our boys were in ascendancy & ref added no time whatsoever on.
The standard in the county is dire men of 15/16 stone who are 40 yards from play & then give decisions that annoys everyone.
This was the same ref who done us a few weeks ago & again cost us 2 points!
Not sour grapes just annoyed that we dont seem to be getting same decisions as the so called bigger teams get.......its hard enough in Div 1 without that added on.

But we played some great football & outplayed Kilcoo for long parts.
Behind the wire it was generally agreed we had played the better football.....but on to next week!

You are totally correct Shea Curran scored a clear point in first half. and the point should have won. But it was Kilcoo seconds yous where up against. Nine off first team where missing, 2 through suspension, one through only home from holidy and and 6 out injured. it was the most understrength kilcoo team in years. 6 players where 18 and younger. So the point should be disapointed they couldnt win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 13, 2009, 11:42:37 PM
Quote from: No1 on June 13, 2009, 11:59:36 AM
QuoteO Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Downpatrick  0-7 0-6 Darragh Cross  Downpatrick Round 10 
Carryduff  1-8 1-7 Ballyholland  Carryduff Round 10 
Kilclief  0-15 1-9 Ballymartin  Kilclief Round 10 

How the f**k did Carryduff beat Ballyholland?  :o


Answer is Carryduff were by far the better team...

no 15 ...some fella called Decky was outstanding..

The big keeper came up and kicked a deadly point to win it.

We deserved f**k all out of the game...


Best player by a mile for the Harps was Joe Murphy...if he ends up the same size as Paul he'll be the best footballer in Down...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on June 13, 2009, 11:46:43 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 13, 2009, 11:42:37 PM
Best player by a mile for the Harps was Joe Murphy...if he ends up the same size as Paul he'll be the best footballer in Down...

He has a long way to go to be as big as Paul, but he is a tidy footballer.
Was Alder in goals for Carryduff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on June 13, 2009, 11:50:17 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 13, 2009, 11:42:37 PM
Quote from: No1 on June 13, 2009, 11:59:36 AM
QuoteO Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Downpatrick  0-7 0-6 Darragh Cross  Downpatrick Round 10 
Carryduff  1-8 1-7 Ballyholland  Carryduff Round 10 
Kilclief  0-15 1-9 Ballymartin  Kilclief Round 10 

How the f**k did Carryduff beat Ballyholland?  :o


Answer is Carryduff were by far the better team...

no 15 ...some fella called Decky was outstanding..

The big keeper came up and kicked a deadly point to win it.

We deserved f**k all out of the game...


Best player by a mile for the Harps was Joe Murphy...if he ends up the same size as Paul he'll be the best footballer in Down...

A little bit of the mark with that assesment 5 Sams, a good footballer no doubt & a good prospect for the future of Down football but not sure about 'the best footballer in Down' tag?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 14, 2009, 12:03:55 AM
If the Carryduff keeper kicked the winner from a 45, you can be pretty sure it was Alder. He is a fine player, and, if he lost a few pounds and learned to avoid the verbals, he could play county football. Joe Murphy has huge potential, but he did not do his primary job of defending particularly well in the u21 AI final. Paul Murphy should already be one of the best in Ulster in his position, but he is far from an automatic choice for a struggling Down team.
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on June 14, 2009, 12:10:50 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 14, 2009, 12:03:55 AM
If the Carryduff keeper kicked the winner from a 45, you can be pretty sure it was Alder. He is a fine player, and, if he lost a few pounds and learned to avoid the verbals, he could play county football. Joe Murphy has huge potential, but he did not do his primary job of defending particularly well in the u21 AI final. Paul Murphy should already be one of the best in Ulster in his position, but he is far from an automatic choice for a struggling Down team.
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Not being smart but what is his position?I agree he is a very good footballer but I assume you are talking about half back!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on June 14, 2009, 12:35:51 AM
Mid Down Gael I agree Kilcoo were missing a few but we had 6 out as well .....Injuries etc have been a big problem for us all season.
If Mayobridge Kilcoo are missing 3 or 4 they can get away with it with adequate replacements. Unfortunately we dont have same strength & depth & as result have struggled.

What did you make of the Ref??  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 14, 2009, 12:40:33 AM
Paul Murphy has played for Down at midfield and could well do a job at half forward or in the full back line. However, he is an outstanding wing half back. It is a little surprising that he is hardly known outside our county, but only one person can put that right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on June 14, 2009, 01:17:56 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 14, 2009, 12:40:33 AM
Paul Murphy has played for Down at midfield and could well do a job at half forward or in the full back line. However, he is an outstanding wing half back. It is a little surprising that he is hardly known outside our county, but only one person can put that right.

That is the problem in Down, Where exactly is Murphys best position? The manager doesnt seem to know. How can a man that ran Dooher ragged be left on the bench against the likes of Tipperary and Fermangh. Maybe the management are saving him for a big game like Carlow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 14, 2009, 08:55:49 AM
not to break up the murphy-love-in or anything lads but if memory serves me right he didnt run Dooher ragged last year. I thought he just did his primary job as a defender and stuck to him like glue, tracked him, harried and hassled him on and off the ball and generally got up his nose and did what all defenders are asked to do but rarely sustain. It was as complete a performance as we have seen from any defender in a Down jersey for a few years and maybe its just been that long since we have seen accomplished no nonsense defending as such that when it actually does come along in a blue moon we all start to cream ourselves. Should we not be asking why we dont have more players playing like this on a more consistent basis. A fine athlete, a fine player, bags of potential for more,a great performance against tyrone last year in one game, lets leave it at that shall we.

f*ck we love to back slap in this county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 14, 2009, 01:09:11 PM
Quote from: guevara on June 14, 2009, 12:35:51 AM
Mid Down Gael I agree Kilcoo were missing a few but we had 6 out as well .....Injuries etc have been a big problem for us all season.
If Mayobridge Kilcoo are missing 3 or 4 they can get away with it with adequate replacements. Unfortunately we dont have same strength & depth & as result have struggled.

What did you make of the Ref??  ::)

Thought the ref was wild fussy. didnt let game flow at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on June 14, 2009, 04:46:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 14, 2009, 08:55:49 AM
f*ck we love to back slap in this county

We don't really have a lot to back slap about in Down at the minute. I actually rate Murphy as a good defender. A rarity in Down these days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on June 14, 2009, 06:10:16 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on June 14, 2009, 04:46:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 14, 2009, 08:55:49 AM
f*ck we love to back slap in this county

We don't really have a lot to back slap about in Down at the minute. I actually rate Murphy as a good defender. A rarity in Down these days.

The hurlers are going well at the minute ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 14, 2009, 09:30:38 PM
A lot of reports in the Papers recently re. Co.Players who have sustained injuries in recent days while playing for the Clubs,eg  B.Dooher, B.Brogan . The games in which they were injured were mid table league games. I thought this was great to see, footballers actually playing football and sharpening their game reflexes, unlike what happens in Down where our  stars are not allowed to play in case they get hurt. It has long be apparent that the starred system of games is detrimental to football standards in Down and the Co.Team who often line out for games after not having kicked a competitive ball for weeks. Even if they are phsically fit, which is at times questionable, they lack the quick mental agility and sharp reflexes which can only come from playing games. I am convinced that no improvement in standards at either club or county will emerge until we end the starred system for games, this should be the first decision of our new management team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on June 14, 2009, 09:32:24 PM
Totally agree with you regarding the starred games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on June 14, 2009, 09:33:41 PM
well said i couldn't agree more !

now who are we going to get i hope we go for mc iver !






                                                                              the gael takes no prisoners!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 15, 2009, 09:00:45 AM
How is relegation being worked out this year with 3 teams to go down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 15, 2009, 09:23:11 AM
Quote from: amallon on June 15, 2009, 09:00:45 AM
How is relegation being worked out this year with 3 teams to go down?

What did you make of the two rostrevor/bridge games over the weekend, if you were at them?! Micky still turnin out for the 2nds and looking class!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 15, 2009, 09:31:48 AM
I thought the Bridge put in a good second half performance, Rostrevor were probably slightly the better team in a scrappy first half.  Rostrevor threw the towel in very quickly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on June 15, 2009, 04:38:31 PM
Think someone involved in analysing referee's need to go and watch Ned Morgan in action.He refereed Darragh Cross V RGU the other night.He was awful,equally bad for both teams.Refused to caution or tick players who repeatedly fouled.The RGU corner back must have committed at least 15 fouls on the night and didnt even get ticked.He was allowed to just go on and foul again.It was the same story when Darragh played up in Glassdrumman with Ned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 15, 2009, 06:58:24 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on June 15, 2009, 04:38:31 PM
Think someone involved in analysing referee's need to go and watch Ned Morgan in action.He refereed Darragh Cross V RGU the other night.He was awful,equally bad for both teams.Refused to caution or tick players who repeatedly fouled.The RGU corner back must have committed at least 15 fouls on the night and didnt even get ticked.He was allowed to just go on and foul again.It was the same story when Darragh played up in Glassdrumman with Ned.

I'm sure he'll do yous a big favour next time yous get him slating him on this  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 15, 2009, 09:45:51 PM
Division 1 Results

Liatriom 0-9 Castlewellan 1-4
Longstone 3-10 Clonduff 3-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: anailís on June 15, 2009, 10:19:54 PM
big row between glen and ardglass tonight, abandoned?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 15, 2009, 10:23:58 PM
Quote from: anailís on June 15, 2009, 10:19:54 PM
big row between glen and ardglass tonight, abandoned?

any other details?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 15, 2009, 10:35:40 PM
Quote from: anailís on June 15, 2009, 10:19:54 PM
big row between glen and ardglass tonight, abandoned?

No result on Down GAA result service so an abandonment is a possibility.

There is at least one full scale row in Ardglass every year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SouthDownHero on June 15, 2009, 11:17:23 PM
I have heard the same match abandoned. No details on what happened though. Does anyone know the score when it was abandoned?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 15, 2009, 11:30:14 PM
apparently there was a row over a free kick for glenn and one of the ardglass men kicked a glenn man and it all went off from there!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 15, 2009, 11:53:29 PM
Div one table update

4 East Down club teams in top five place! changed times!!!

P   W   D     L   Pts     SD   Teams
10   7   2     1   16     31   Mayobridge
10   6   2     2   14     42   Bryansford
10   7   0     3   14     22   Castlewellan
10   6   1     3   13     22   Liatroim
10   6   1     3   13     18   Kilcoo
10   5   3     2   13      7   Burren
10   6   0     4   12      2   Rostrevor
10   5   1     4   11     17   Longstone
10   4   1     5     9   -26   Saval
10   1   1     8     3   -24   Clonduff
10   0   2     8     2   -66   Warrenpoint
10   0   0   10     0   -45   Loughinisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 16, 2009, 12:14:55 AM
Quote from: SouthDownHero on June 15, 2009, 11:17:23 PM
I have heard the same match abandoned. No details on what happened though. Does anyone know the score when it was abandoned?

12-12 couple minutes to go
Title: You're a Darragh Cross man right?
Post by: passedit on June 16, 2009, 09:01:38 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on June 15, 2009, 04:38:31 PM
Think someone involved in analysing referee's need to go and watch Ned Morgan in action.He refereed Darragh Cross V RGU the other night.He was awful,equally bad for both teams.Refused to caution or tick players who repeatedly fouled.The RGU corner back must have committed at least 15 fouls on the night and didnt even get ticked.He was allowed to just go on and foul again.It was the same story when Darragh played up in Glassdrumman with Ned.

(http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/wda0353l.jpg)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on June 16, 2009, 09:15:46 AM
Quote from: supersub on June 15, 2009, 11:30:14 PM
apparently there was a row over a free kick for glenn and one of the ardglass men kicked a glenn man and it all went off from there!

yea this is true, Ardglass were going to get beat and as usual they start something like this. Game was called off when Ardglass players approached the ref and told him to blow it up, good job they knew his name  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on June 16, 2009, 09:19:51 AM
Does anyone know for definite if any players have been called up to the Down panel  ?

Title: Re: You're a Darragh Cross man right?
Post by: norabeag on June 16, 2009, 10:15:30 AM
Quote from: passedit on June 16, 2009, 09:01:38 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on June 15, 2009, 04:38:31 PM
Think someone involved in analysing referee's need to go and watch Ned Morgan in action.He refereed Darragh Cross V RGU the other night.He was awful,equally bad for both teams.Refused to caution or tick players who repeatedly fouled.The RGU corner back must have committed at least 15 fouls on the night and didnt even get ticked.He was allowed to just go on and foul again.It was the same story when Darragh played up in Glassdrumman with Ned.

(http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/wda0353l.jpg)
Very jaundice view there on the foul count. You forgot to mention how often the No 10 lifted his fists. Ned was poor, but he did manage to find 6 mins injury to try and let you get a draw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on June 16, 2009, 10:37:46 AM
Quote from: supersub on June 15, 2009, 11:30:14 PM
apparently there was a row over a free kick for glenn and one of the ardglass men kicked a glenn man and it all went off from there!

Ardglass are nut cases.  They where winning by about 20 points against St Paul's on Friday night when St Paul's scored a goal that they thought should have been a free out for a foul on the keeper and they all surrounded the ref and started calling him all the names under the sun.  The ref would have been justified if he had just walked off they where giving him so much abuse.  They won the match 6-17 to 1-6, I wouldn't have liked to see what they would have been like if he gave a last minute penalty against them when they where 2 points up.
Title: Re: You're a Darragh Cross man right?
Post by: maldini on June 16, 2009, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: norabeag on June 16, 2009, 10:15:30 AM
Quote from: passedit on June 16, 2009, 09:01:38 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on June 15, 2009, 04:38:31 PM
Think someone involved in analysing referee's need to go and watch Ned Morgan in action.He refereed Darragh Cross V RGU the other night.He was awful,equally bad for both teams.Refused to caution or tick players who repeatedly fouled.The RGU corner back must have committed at least 15 fouls on the night and didnt even get ticked.He was allowed to just go on and foul again.It was the same story when Darragh played up in Glassdrumman with Ned.

(http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/wda0353l.jpg)
Very jaundice view there on the foul count. You forgot to mention how often the No 10 lifted his fists. Ned was poor, but he did manage to find 6 mins injury to try and let you get a draw

the only fists i saw lifted were in the first half when your number 2 punched a darragh man, the ref was right in front of it but took no action, he mustn't like booking or sending off players!

ned owed darragh one after his shocking performance in glassdrumman this year but as bitta-banter said he was equally bad for both teams on friday night. he clearly wasn't going by the rule book at times, one example - in the first half a darragh forward went past his man on the sideline about 30 yards out and the defender pulled him to the ground, at the very least its a ticking, maybe a yellow card, ned did neither
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on June 16, 2009, 11:55:51 AM
does anyone know what the county board may do about the Abandoned game in Ardglass? will it be replayed or what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on June 16, 2009, 01:33:22 PM
In all fairness Ned was shocking and much as I hate criticising refs this year has been as bad as its been for a long time.
We have had some brutal decisions against us but what can you do, no refs no games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 16, 2009, 01:51:28 PM
Refereeing has never been a healthy state in our county - not in the past 15 years that I've been watching football anyway. And i don't think today's batch are any worse than their predecessors.

It's interesting that Ned Morgan is being criticised for not taking out the book or the cards, as its a bugbear of mine. I'd have always thought the same about the highly respected Colm Broderick. Broderick was a a fair referee and good to play under, but when chasing a game with 10 minutes to go, opposing teams could simply foul their way to victory, almost assured of never losing a player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 16, 2009, 02:51:52 PM
Is this Friday the last set of games for county seniors before the starred system comes into play? When does it come in for the minors?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down_born_bred on June 17, 2009, 08:55:31 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on June 03, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
Have to agree with An Cloch Scoilte re Leos post - Leo, your just an idiot who hasnt the intelligence to learn a bit of Irish - there only 50 odd clubs in Down - it's a poor reflection on you if you cant work out what their names are in Irish when they're written down in front of you, even though there may be the odd spelling mistake (as can happen in englsih - sorry Leo you probably couldnt work that one out so I'll try again - english).

An Cloch Scoilte - I see the St Marys team beat Glenn yesterday evening. If I remember correctly some of the regular posters didnt know who St Marys were ::) and some tube (T. O'Hare, I think) thought it was a handy draw for Glenn!!. ::) Wonder how handy Glenn feel about it this morning?  :-\They'll be away home with their tails between their legs to lick their wounds..... :) :) :)

Hopefully after the awarding of the Down GAA Gaeltacht Grants we'll have 38 extra people who can translate the club names.

Can grants be awarded to people in Down Cllubs who live outside the county - Bredagh St Michaels etc?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on June 17, 2009, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: down_born_bred on June 17, 2009, 08:55:31 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on June 03, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
Have to agree with An Cloch Scoilte re Leos post - Leo, your just an idiot who hasnt the intelligence to learn a bit of Irish - there only 50 odd clubs in Down - it's a poor reflection on you if you cant work out what their names are in Irish when they're written down in front of you, even though there may be the odd spelling mistake (as can happen in englsih - sorry Leo you probably couldnt work that one out so I'll try again - english).

An Cloch Scoilte - I see the St Marys team beat Glenn yesterday evening. If I remember correctly some of the regular posters didnt know who St Marys were ::) and some tube (T. O'Hare, I think) thought it was a handy draw for Glenn!!. ::) Wonder how handy Glenn feel about it this morning?  :-\They'll be away home with their tails between their legs to lick their wounds..... :) :) :)

Hopefully after the awarding of the Down GAA Gaeltacht Grants we'll have 38 extra people who can translate the club names.

Can grants be awarded to people in Down Cllubs who live outside the county - Bredagh St Michaels etc?



When did we move out of down? jesus i must have been sleeping for a while as i didnt hear anything about this. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on June 17, 2009, 01:15:44 PM
they must have moved the river lagan on us or something
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on June 17, 2009, 07:27:52 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on June 17, 2009, 01:15:44 PM
they must have moved the river lagan on us or something

Global warming  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down_born_bred on June 18, 2009, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on June 17, 2009, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: down_born_bred on June 17, 2009, 08:55:31 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on June 03, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
Have to agree with An Cloch Scoilte re Leos post - Leo, your just an idiot who hasnt the intelligence to learn a bit of Irish - there only 50 odd clubs in Down - it's a poor reflection on you if you cant work out what their names are in Irish when they're written down in front of you, even though there may be the odd spelling mistake (as can happen in englsih - sorry Leo you probably couldnt work that one out so I'll try again - english).

An Cloch Scoilte - I see the St Marys team beat Glenn yesterday evening. If I remember correctly some of the regular posters didnt know who St Marys were ::) and some tube (T. O'Hare, I think) thought it was a handy draw for Glenn!!. ::) Wonder how handy Glenn feel about it this morning?  :-\They'll be away home with their tails between their legs to lick their wounds..... :) :) :)

Hopefully after the awarding of the Down GAA Gaeltacht Grants we'll have 38 extra people who can translate the club names.

Can grants be awarded to people in Down Cllubs who live outside the county - Bredagh St Michaels etc?



When did we move out of down? jesus i must have been sleeping for a while as i didnt hear anything about this. ;)

Oops - just asking a question ............

but it would be news that all your members were born and currently live in our beloved county!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 18, 2009, 01:16:56 PM
big game at the bottom of division 1 tonight! Win for either side would be welcomed greatly, for confidence if anything! However a defeat for l'island could be very detremental to their season as they would be 4 points adrift, and more significantly, still on 0 points! What way do point/island posters feel the game will go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on June 18, 2009, 01:44:17 PM
although the point may have only 2 points and have been on the recieving end of a few big scores they have been competitive in quite a number of games. bridge, burren, castlewellan, clonduff, kilcoo second hald of liatriom, we have shown glimpses of good football. But when playing in div 1 you need to have that consistency and the ability to grind out results which just isnt happening. a big gulf between div 2 and div 1. but the league table doesnt tell any lies and ourselves loughinisland and clonduff are not down there for nothing. as for tonights game the point need to be competitive in mid field to halt the presence of dan,whether hes 100% or not he is still a big threat. dont know if magic will start with down SHC with antrim a week away so island may change tactics of searching him with long balls and looking for runners off him. point need to continue from the draw with kilcoo and hoping the likes of john boyle, davo, johnny town and ryan mallon are all on song as a 4 pt cushion going into the second half of the season would be good. only problem from a point view is the island  always do well in moygannon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on June 18, 2009, 02:11:37 PM
cant understand why loughinisland are at the bottom, i know they were missing a lot of players at the start of the league but most of the main players are back now which is no excuse.  There defence seems to be very suspect, they pass the ball at least 10 times before it passes the half way line.  A lot of big names in the side but they are not performing.  hope they stay up and draw a line in this season and comeback even stronger next season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on June 18, 2009, 03:18:43 PM
Quote from: down_born_bred on June 18, 2009, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on June 17, 2009, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: down_born_bred on June 17, 2009, 08:55:31 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on June 03, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
Have to agree with An Cloch Scoilte re Leos post - Leo, your just an idiot who hasnt the intelligence to learn a bit of Irish - there only 50 odd clubs in Down - it's a poor reflection on you if you cant work out what their names are in Irish when they're written down in front of you, even though there may be the odd spelling mistake (as can happen in englsih - sorry Leo you probably couldnt work that one out so I'll try again - english).

An Cloch Scoilte - I see the St Marys team beat Glenn yesterday evening. If I remember correctly some of the regular posters didnt know who St Marys were ::) and some tube (T. O'Hare, I think) thought it was a handy draw for Glenn!!. ::) Wonder how handy Glenn feel about it this morning?  :-\They'll be away home with their tails between their legs to lick their wounds..... :) :) :)

Hopefully after the awarding of the Down GAA Gaeltacht Grants we'll have 38 extra people who can translate the club names.

Can grants be awarded to people in Down Cllubs who live outside the county - Bredagh St Michaels etc?



When did we move out of down? jesus i must have been sleeping for a while as i didnt hear anything about this. ;)

Oops - just asking a question ............

but it would be news that all your members were born and currently live in our beloved county!


You aren't a member of Combat 18 by any chance?

You obvoiusly didn't get your GCSE/O Level Geography!!! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 18, 2009, 05:46:07 PM
Quote from: too long ref on June 18, 2009, 02:11:37 PM
cant understand why loughinisland are at the bottom, i know they were missing a lot of players at the start of the league but most of the main players are back now which is no excuse.  There defence seems to be very suspect, they pass the ball at least 10 times before it passes the half way line.  A lot of big names in the side but they are not performing.  hope they stay up and draw a line in this season and comeback even stronger next season.

I put it down to lack of movement in the pre-season transfer market this year. Although they dabbled in the underage market they failed to make a big name signing for the Seniors in the close season. A new director of football might be needed to source out future potential recruits if the Island are to maintain Division 1 status.

P.S - Does anyone have the full Bord na Og MFC Quarter Final draws for the A and B Competitions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on June 18, 2009, 05:49:50 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 18, 2009, 05:46:07 PM
I put it down to lack of movement in the pre-season transfer market this year. Although they dabbled in the underage market they failed to make a big name signing for the Seniors in the close season. A new director of football might be needed to source out future potential recruits if the Island are to maintain Division 1 status.

:D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 18, 2009, 08:42:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 18, 2009, 05:46:07 PM
Quote from: too long ref on June 18, 2009, 02:11:37 PM
cant understand why loughinisland are at the bottom, i know they were missing a lot of players at the start of the league but most of the main players are back now which is no excuse.  There defence seems to be very suspect, they pass the ball at least 10 times before it passes the half way line.  A lot of big names in the side but they are not performing.  hope they stay up and draw a line in this season and comeback even stronger next season.

I put it down to lack of movement in the pre-season transfer market this year. Although they dabbled in the underage market they failed to make a big name signing for the Seniors in the close season. A new director of football might be needed to source out future potential recruits if the Island are to maintain Division 1 status.

P.S - Does anyone have the full Bord na Og MFC Quarter Final draws for the A and B Competitions?

You hit nail on head there. Half there squad are from other parts of East Down. Joke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on June 18, 2009, 09:36:04 PM
Just heard Minor A Championship draw, dont know who's home or away:
St Mary's v Kilcoo
Warrenpoint v Carryduff
Shamrocks v Ballyholland
Burren v Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 18, 2009, 10:27:43 PM
Any word who won bottom of table clash in division one tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 18, 2009, 10:34:37 PM
United Nations won by 5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on June 18, 2009, 11:21:31 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 18, 2009, 05:46:07 PM
Quote from: too long ref on June 18, 2009, 02:11:37 PM
cant understand why loughinisland are at the bottom, i know they were missing a lot of players at the start of the league but most of the main players are back now which is no excuse.  There defence seems to be very suspect, they pass the ball at least 10 times before it passes the half way line.  A lot of big names in the side but they are not performing.  hope they stay up and draw a line in this season and comeback even stronger next season.

I put it down to lack of movement in the pre-season transfer market this year. Although they dabbled in the underage market they failed to make a big name signing for the Seniors in the close season. A new director of football might be needed to source out future potential recruits if the Island are to maintain Division 1 status.

P.S - Does anyone have the full Bord na Og MFC Quarter Final draws for the A and B Competitions?

Down "POWERADE" Minor Football Championship Quarter-Final Draw

"A" Championship Quarter-Finals on Tuesday 7th July at 7-30pm   
A   Noamh Mhuire       V   Cill Chua    
B   Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua       V   Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh   
C   Seomrogai an Iuir       V   Baile Cholmain   
D   Cluain Diamh       V   Boireann   
               
               
"B" Championship Quarter-Finals on Tuesday 7th July at 7-30pm   
A   Noamh Eoin       V   Cill Dara (Darragh Cross/Killyleagh)   
B   Caislean Ruairi       V   Clan na Banna   
C   Caislean an Mhuillin       V   Noamh Seosamh(Ballykinlar/Dundrum)   
D   Droim Gath       V   Sabhall   

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 18, 2009, 11:49:41 PM
Could Down Fanatic take some time off from sniping at Loughinisland, and spend it trying to think off a Div.1 club that does not have any blow ins, and whose players are all resident in Parish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 19, 2009, 08:47:39 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 18, 2009, 10:27:43 PM
Any word who won bottom of table clash in division one tonight?

Heard Loughinisland won by 6 and that the point didnt look up for it after they went behind!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on June 19, 2009, 09:08:16 AM
island always in front and never looked like losinf a game. Shay Curran was back playing for the point. Downfanatic - heard that he said that the football was that bad in dundrum he would happily travel back to the point three times a week rather than continue with that rubbish. just in respect of transfers how long do you think it will be before mc comiskey transfers to another club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 19, 2009, 09:12:37 AM
Point need to learn to battle after going behind, they had a good chance to go clear of island but now its back to square one! Does anyone know when the reserve and premier reserve championships are..since we have so long to wait for the senior one? Must be soon!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 19, 2009, 09:18:07 AM
Quote from: islandboy on June 19, 2009, 09:08:16 AM
island always in front and never looked like losinf a game. Shay Curran was back playing for the point. Downfanatic - heard that he said that the football was that bad in dundrum he would happily travel back to the point three times a week rather than continue with that rubbish. just in respect of transfers how long do you think it will be before mc comiskey transfers to another club?


;D ;D ;D
For his sake it has to happen soon (imo)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 19, 2009, 11:46:50 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on June 18, 2009, 11:49:41 PM
Could Down Fanatic take some time off from sniping at Loughinisland, and spend it trying to think off a Div.1 club that does not have any blow ins, and whose players are all resident in Parish

Two of the more successful and consistent clubs in recent years kilcoo and the Bridge, struggling to name any blow ins that play for them clubs. Certainly not to the extent of other certain division one clubs. Could anyone correct me?

Spirit any chance you get to snipe at either Dundrum or Mc Comiskey your like a rat up a drainpipe on it. Have you a genuine dislike/obession with either or perhaps even both. Just pose the question why waste energy typing such needless, arrogant, derogatary post?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 19, 2009, 12:26:49 PM
Every club picks up 1 or 2 players from other clubs, but I'd say that with the noteable exceptions of Loughinisland and Burren, Division I is more or less a fully home-grown league.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 19, 2009, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 19, 2009, 11:46:50 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on June 18, 2009, 11:49:41 PM
Could Down Fanatic take some time off from sniping at Loughinisland, and spend it trying to think off a Div.1 club that does not have any blow ins, and whose players are all resident in Parish

Two of the more successful and consistent clubs in recent years kilcoo and the Bridge, struggling to name any blow ins that play for them clubs. Certainly not to the extent of other certain division one clubs. Could anyone correct me?

Spirit any chance you get to snipe at either Dundrum or Mc Comiskey your like a rat up a drainpipe on it. Have you a genuine dislike/obession with either or perhaps even both. Just pose the question why waste energy typing such needless, arrogant, derogatary post?????

Lets face facts here - if mccomiskey is to improve his game he needs to be playing first division football - i have nothing against him or dundrum - you need to wise up and get a life mite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on June 19, 2009, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: down_born_bred on June 18, 2009, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on June 17, 2009, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: down_born_bred on June 17, 2009, 08:55:31 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on June 03, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
Have to agree with An Cloch Scoilte re Leos post - Leo, your just an idiot who hasnt the intelligence to learn a bit of Irish - there only 50 odd clubs in Down - it's a poor reflection on you if you cant work out what their names are in Irish when they're written down in front of you, even though there may be the odd spelling mistake (as can happen in englsih - sorry Leo you probably couldnt work that one out so I'll try again - english).

An Cloch Scoilte - I see the St Marys team beat Glenn yesterday evening. If I remember correctly some of the regular posters didnt know who St Marys were ::) and some tube (T. O'Hare, I think) thought it was a handy draw for Glenn!!. ::) Wonder how handy Glenn feel about it this morning?  :-\They'll be away home with their tails between their legs to lick their wounds..... :) :) :)

Hopefully after the awarding of the Down GAA Gaeltacht Grants we'll have 38 extra people who can translate the club names.

Can grants be awarded to people in Down Cllubs who live outside the county - Bredagh St Michaels etc?



When did we move out of down? jesus i must have been sleeping for a while as i didnt hear anything about this. ;)

Oops - just asking a question ............

but it would be news that all your members were born and currently live in our beloved county!


how many teams dont have a couple of blow in's? admitedly we may have more than most being in the city, but look at both our senior football and senior hurling teams and you will see that they are made up mostly of bredagh natives.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 19, 2009, 01:54:10 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 19, 2009, 09:12:37 AM
Point need to learn to battle after going behind, they had a good chance to go clear of island but now its back to square one! Does anyone know when the reserve and premier reserve championships are..since we have so long to wait for the senior one? Must be soon!
I think its on Sunday week!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 19, 2009, 02:43:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 19, 2009, 12:26:49 PM
Every club picks up 1 or 2 players from other clubs, but I'd say that with the noteable exceptions of Loughinisland and Burren, Division I is more or less a fully home-grown league.



Castlewellan are in same league as Burren and Loughinisland. Their senior team boasts recruits from Ballymartin, St Johns, Drumaness and Ford. Although the two ford men returned to their roots in recent years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 19, 2009, 03:09:04 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 19, 2009, 01:13:04 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 19, 2009, 11:46:50 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on June 18, 2009, 11:49:41 PM
Could Down Fanatic take some time off from sniping at Loughinisland, and spend it trying to think off a Div.1 club that does not have any blow ins, and whose players are all resident in Parish

Two of the more successful and consistent clubs in recent years kilcoo and the Bridge, struggling to name any blow ins that play for them clubs. Certainly not to the extent of other certain division one clubs. Could anyone correct me?

Spirit any chance you get to snipe at either Dundrum or Mc Comiskey your like a rat up a drainpipe on it. Have you a genuine dislike/obession with either or perhaps even both. Just pose the question why waste energy typing such needless, arrogant, derogatary post?????


Lets face facts here - if mccomiskey is to improve his game he needs to be playing first division football - i have nothing against him or dundrum - you need to wise up and get a life mite

Yes I am going to defend my club when arrogant idiots like you suggest our best player should transfer (and I am assuming you mean to Bryansfod  :o). Just as in a similar situation with yourself and T O'Hare, after he made a comment about Ciaran Brannagain and Gavin Barry's pocket you counterargued with a totally unrelated point on Brendan Grant.. Maybe practice what you preach. perhaps while I am looking for a life for myself I could pick you one in on the bargain ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on June 19, 2009, 03:41:33 PM
Does anyone know if the ford game is on tonight or moved to monday due to prodigy concert? also is the town v kilcoo match in kilcoo?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on June 19, 2009, 03:42:35 PM
Anyone on here encouraging players to move to the club down the road would be safer following local soccer.
Players lookin for a higher standard of football can work to play for their county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 19, 2009, 03:44:11 PM
Quotehow many teams dont have a couple of blow in's? admitedly we may have more than most being in the city, but look at both our senior football and senior hurling teams and you will see that they are made up mostly of bredagh natives.

:D  ;D  :D  ;D  :D

Even your referees are blow ins FFS  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 19, 2009, 03:50:09 PM
Quote from: islandboy on June 19, 2009, 03:41:33 PM
Does anyone know if the ford game is on tonight or moved to monday due to prodigy concert? also is the town v kilcoo match in kilcoo?

According to the Irish news it is in Kilcoo Islandboy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 19, 2009, 03:55:35 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on June 19, 2009, 03:42:35 PM
Anyone on here encouraging players to move to the club down the road would be safer following local soccer.
Players lookin for a higher standard of football can work to play for their county.

But in relation to the original argument, McComisky is already playing for his county, so this would be the highest standar available to him!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on June 19, 2009, 04:08:01 PM
no one minds players that transfer to another club with valid reason i.e. moved to another part of the county. what people don't like to see are the caravan dwellers, i.e. those who transfer simply because they think they are above their own club (i know that aghaderg have suffered from this almost to the point of being unable to field). It is this sort of thing that downfanatic and others make valid points, unfortunately it also seems to be what spirit is openly advocating.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 19, 2009, 04:35:04 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 19, 2009, 09:18:07 AM
Quote from: islandboy on June 19, 2009, 09:08:16 AM
island always in front and never looked like losinf a game. Shay Curran was back playing for the point. Downfanatic - heard that he said that the football was that bad in dundrum he would happily travel back to the point three times a week rather than continue with that rubbish. just in respect of transfers how long do you think it will be before mc comiskey transfers to another club?


;D ;D ;D
For his sake it has to happen soon (imo)

Please provide a well thought out and structured rationale as to why McComiskey should transfer.

Ive heard many opinions on it over the years and no one has given me a coherent argument as yet.

I await your response with great excitement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 19, 2009, 04:42:31 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 19, 2009, 04:35:04 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 19, 2009, 09:18:07 AM
Quote from: islandboy on June 19, 2009, 09:08:16 AM
island always in front and never looked like losinf a game. Shay Curran was back playing for the point. Downfanatic - heard that he said that the football was that bad in dundrum he would happily travel back to the point three times a week rather than continue with that rubbish. just in respect of transfers how long do you think it will be before mc comiskey transfers to another club?


;D ;D ;D
For his sake it has to happen soon (imo)

Please provide a well thought out and structured rationale as to why McComiskey should transfer.

Ive heard many opinions on it over the years and no one has given me a coherent argument as yet.

I await your response with great excitement.

By the looks of it there are a number of posters looking forward to that response.... Over to you Spirit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 19, 2009, 05:18:23 PM
Why would McComiskey transfer from his parish club!!!!! Mickey Linden played in division 4, 3 and 2 and still became the footballer of the year!!!! He also won a few senoir championships and senior leagues ;) ;) I was too young to remember but was there any calls to get Mickey playing for Burren in the mid 80's ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on June 19, 2009, 05:32:58 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 19, 2009, 05:18:23 PM
Why would McComiskey transfer from his parish club!!!!! Mickey Linden played in division 4, 3 and 2 and still became the footballer of the year!!!! He also won a few senoir championships and senior leagues ;) ;) I was too young to remember but was there any calls to get Mickey playing for Burren in the mid 80's ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D :D

excellent point T.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on June 19, 2009, 07:29:03 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 18, 2009, 05:46:07 PM
Although they dabbled in the underage market
Very Much so!

Quote from: islandboy on June 19, 2009, 03:41:33 PM
Does anyone know if the ford game is on tonight or moved to monday due to prodigy concert? also is the town v kilcoo match in kilcoo?

I'd be disgusted if the GAA moved a game being played on the other side of town because of a concert.

Quote from: Bitta-Banter on June 19, 2009, 03:42:35 PM
Anyone on here encouraging players to move to the club down the road would be safer following local soccer.
Players lookin for a higher standard of football can work to play for their county.

Exactly. What happened to the 'soccers about who you follow, Gaelics about who you are.'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on June 19, 2009, 08:55:42 PM
Darragh Cross 0-5 Carryduff 0-4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 19, 2009, 09:00:01 PM
Drumgath 0-7 Bredagh 0-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 19, 2009, 09:00:39 PM
Burren 2-9
Longstone 2-12

Great result away from home! In work wasn't at it but chattin to someone who was.  Said very exciting game with Longstone better side throughout up until last 10 when Burren really scrapped for every ball and were on top.  They got back to within 2 points, think longstone lead by 5 at one stage.  Mark Poland got 2 goals!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 19, 2009, 09:13:44 PM
Castlewellan beat a severly understrength Kilcoo by 4. The magpies had basically their seconds out bar a few. 9 from league final winning team of last year missing. Its some time since the town got a win in Eoghan Roe Park before tonight.
Also Clonduff beat Rostrevor by 6 and Bryansford beat Liatriom by 8.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 19, 2009, 09:15:27 PM
Well done the Stone a great away result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 19, 2009, 09:17:46 PM
so far

Friday 19th June 2009
O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Clonduff  1-13 2-4 Rostrevor  Clonduff Round 11 
Burren  2-9 2-12 Longstone  Castlewellan Round 11 
O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ballyholland  0-12 1-7 Shamrocks  Ballyholland Round 11 
Glasdrumman  1-11 2-10 Kilclief  Glasdrumman Round 11 
O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Dundrum  1-8 1-13 Glenn  Dundrum Round 11
Aghaderg  0-5 0-9 Saul  Aghaderg Round 11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 19, 2009, 09:20:43 PM
Fair play to the Stone indeed. How do they even manage to field after recent CCC meetings?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 19, 2009, 09:23:37 PM
good win for St Pauls

St Pauls  1-13 0-15 Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 19, 2009, 09:32:23 PM
Looks like Drumanness are goin down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 19, 2009, 09:34:15 PM
Dundrum 1-08  Glenn 1-13

Glenn played us off the park in the 2nd half. The young Minor McParland was very good. Glenn will be there or thereabouts come the seasons end I would think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on June 19, 2009, 09:39:25 PM
Darragh Cross 0-5 Carryduff 0-4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on June 19, 2009, 09:46:38 PM
A severely weakened Castlewellan team easily beat Kilcoo tonight, 1-11 to 0-09 doesn't really tell the story of their dominance, it could have been  double that. Kilcoo only have one forward and one game plan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 19, 2009, 09:49:07 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 19, 2009, 09:23:37 PM
good win for St Pauls

St Pauls  1-13 0-15 Drumaness

a great win for us SB, especially after the debacle of last week. hard fought match right to the end, with us winning it with the last kick of the game.
we were 5-6 points up at one stage and Drumaness came back to lead by a point with a few minutes left, but instead of dropping the heads we chased the game and got 2 more points to see us through to the victory.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on June 19, 2009, 09:53:10 PM
Hard to see relegation fireing up drumaness as much as it did last time.

With all away fixtures left can't see it happening. Div4 Again.  All the same, CB need to look at the situation of yo yoing teams, maybe a sytem like the Christy ring. A 2 leged play off maybe?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 19, 2009, 10:05:02 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on June 19, 2009, 09:53:10 PM
Hard to see relegation fireing up drumaness as much as it did last time.

With all away fixtures left can't see it happening. Div4 Again.  All the same, CB need to look at the situation of yo yoing teams, maybe a sytem like the Christy ring. A 2 leged play off maybe?

I would ask the question why did they get rid of  their previous manager? he got them to 5th and into the JFC final, what did they expect, promotion?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 19, 2009, 10:18:38 PM
where st johns playing tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 19, 2009, 10:18:59 PM
Div 3 after 2nite

Pld   W   D   L   Pts   TEAMS   Pts Lost

11   9   1   1   19   Tullylish*   -3
11   7   2   2   16   Drumgath*-6
10   8   0   2   16   Glenn   -4
11   7   0   4   14   Bredagh   -8
11   6   2   3   14   St Johns   -8
10   5   2   3   12   Ardglass   -8
11   4   3   4   11   Dundrum*-11
11   4   3   4   11   Saul   -11
11   2   2   7   6   Teconnaght-16
11   2   1   8   5   St Pauls   -17
11   2   0   9   4   Drumaness-18
11   1   0   10   2   Aghaderg   -20
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on June 19, 2009, 10:32:49 PM
Quote from: maldini on June 19, 2009, 09:39:25 PM
Darragh Cross 0-5 Carryduff 0-4
[/quote


Jesus that is embarassing both teams should be kicked out for that!! if you were the manager of the u6 team in your club and thats all you scored in a game you would quit!!
:o]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 19, 2009, 10:35:47 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on June 19, 2009, 10:32:49 PM
Quote from: maldini on June 19, 2009, 09:39:25 PM
Darragh Cross 0-5 Carryduff 0-4
[/quote

Jesus that is embarassing both teams should be kicked out for that!! if you were the manager of the u6 team in your club and thats all you scored in a game you would quit!!
:o]

either a great game of soccer or a poor game of gaelic
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 19, 2009, 10:36:01 PM
Proper table after tonight


League table for O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Tullylish  11 9 1 1 155 130 25 19
Glenn  10 8 2 0 151 97 54 16
Drumgath  11 7 2 2 140 117 23 16
Bredagh  11 7 4 0 170 124 46 14
St Johns  11 6 3 2 136 135 1 14
Ardglass  10 5 3 2 165 131 34 12
Dundrum  11 4 4 3 143 139 4 11
Saul  11 4 4 3 138 152 -14 11
Teconnaught  11 2 7 2 106 126 -20 6
St Pauls  11 2 8 1 112 173 -61 5
Drumaness  11 2 9 0 137 160 -23 4
Aghaderg  11 1 10 0 101 170 -69 2










Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 20, 2009, 01:18:53 AM
Harps beat the Shamrocks by 2.

Game was marred by Kieran Murphy getting a serious injury .....he's going for surgery in the morning.


Nice fellas them Seamrogais.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on June 20, 2009, 01:49:41 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on June 19, 2009, 10:35:47 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on June 19, 2009, 10:32:49 PM
Quote from: maldini on June 19, 2009, 09:39:25 PM
Darragh Cross 0-5 Carryduff 0-4
[/quote

Jesus that is embarassing both teams should be kicked out for that!! if you were the manager of the u6 team in your club and thats all you scored in a game you would quit!!
:o]

either a great game of soccer or a poor game of gaelic


Darragh will take it,half the team on the side line,CHB sent off in first half,a win's a win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on June 20, 2009, 09:50:09 AM
Friday 19th June 2009

O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Mayobridge  2-14 1-12 Saval  Mayobridge Round 11 
Clonduff  1-13 2-4 Rostrevor  Clonduff Round 11 
Burren  2-9 2-12 Longstone  Castlewellan Round 11 
Kilcoo  0-9 1-11 Castlewellan  Kilcoo Round 11 
Bryansford  1-11 1-5 Liatriom  Bryansford Round 11 

O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ballyholland  0-12 1-7 Shamrocks  Ballyholland Round 11 
Darragh Cross  0-5 0-4 Carryduff  Darragh Cross Round 11 
Atticall  1-7 0-6 Downpatrick  Atticall Round 11 
Glasdrumman  1-11 2-10 Kilclief  Glasdrumman Round 11 
Clann na Banna  2-8 2-11 An Riocht  Clann na Banna Round 11 

O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
St Johns  2-6 0-12 Ardglass  St Johns Round 11 
Dundrum  1-8 1-13 Glenn  Dundrum Round 11 
St Pauls  1-13 0-15 Drumaness  St Pauls Round 11 
Drumgath  0-7 0-6 Bredagh  Drumgath Round 11 
Tullylish  1-15 3-8 Teconnaught  Tullylish Round 11 
Aghaderg  0-5 0-9 Saul  Aghaderg Round 11 

O Neills Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Mitchels  3-14 0-8 Bright  Mitchels Round 11 
Dromara  1-7 4-14 St Michaels  Dromara Round 11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on June 20, 2009, 10:03:41 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 19, 2009, 10:05:02 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on June 19, 2009, 09:53:10 PM
Hard to see relegation fireing up drumaness as much as it did last time.

With all away fixtures left can't see it happening. Div4 Again.  All the same, CB need to look at the situation of yo yoing teams, maybe a sytem like the Christy ring. A 2 leged play off maybe?

I would ask the question why did they get rid of  their previous manager? he got them to 5th and into the JFC final, what did they expect, promotion?

It's a mystery... Think he was looking too much in his pocket.

The new managers a good guy andh knows his stuff but apparently he doesnt pick the team.

I'd say we'd be looking at progression, over the next few years make a push at promotion. We were once a division 1 club so division 4 was a huge shock last time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on June 20, 2009, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 20, 2009, 01:18:53 AM
Harps beat the Shamrocks by 2.

Game was marred by Kieran Murphy getting a serious injury .....he's going for surgery in the morning.


Nice fellas them Seamrogais.

We`re not used to playing at altitude.
Wasnt at the game so cannot comment on Murphys injury or what happened. Wish him a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 20, 2009, 12:04:58 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on June 19, 2009, 09:46:38 PM
A severely weakened Castlewellan team easily beat Kilcoo tonight, 1-11 to 0-09 doesn't really tell the story of their dominance, it could have been  double that. Kilcoo only have one forward and one game plan.

So your saying Kilcoo where not understrength? Martin McClean,Nial McEvoy, Conor Laverty, Anthony Devlin, Gary McEvoy, Dominic McEvoy, Phelim McGreevy, Conor Morgan, Ciaran McClean, Nial Brannigan and Paddy Devlin all out. Castlewellan celebrating beating Kilcoo minus these men. Fair play to yous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on June 21, 2009, 08:25:17 PM
No mid down Gael I never said that Kilcoo were not understrength, I said Castlewellan were- Luke Toner, Ruairi McArdle,Finbar Lennon, Niall McArdle, Aidy Burns, Bernard McAleenan, Mark Stratton, Kieran McCabe and Shay McVeigh all missing. By the way, you said Paddy Devlin was missing- he is only a seconds player, wouldn't even get on a div 4 senior team and Ciaran McClean would not get on Kilcoo's strongest 15. Don't be a sore loser now and take your beating
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on June 21, 2009, 09:16:20 PM
Drumaness beaten by kilcoo in reserves by about 10.

Any other scores?
Title: EDRFL
Post by: No1 on June 21, 2009, 11:17:08 PM
Kilclief beat Saul easily in the other section.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 22, 2009, 12:32:38 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on June 21, 2009, 08:25:17 PM
No mid down Gael I never said that Kilcoo were not understrength, I said Castlewellan were- Luke Toner, Ruairi McArdle,Finbar Lennon, Niall McArdle, Aidy Burns, Bernard McAleenan, Mark Stratton, Kieran McCabe and Shay McVeigh all missing. By the way, you said Paddy Devlin was missing- he is only a seconds player, wouldn't even get on a div 4 senior team and Ciaran McClean would not get on Kilcoo's strongest 15. Don't be a sore loser now and take your beating

Fair play. Yous beat Kilcoo in Kilcoo for first time in ten years, good on yous. No need to insult club players over a message board. Nial McArdle has not played in 3 years and most off othersnamed wouldnt make the town seconds apart from Burns and Ruairi. Paddy Dev started in League final Last year, yeah div one final. So no need for insults in a joyful weekend for yous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 22, 2009, 08:50:42 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 19, 2009, 04:42:31 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 19, 2009, 04:35:04 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 19, 2009, 09:18:07 AM
Quote from: islandboy on June 19, 2009, 09:08:16 AM
island always in front and never looked like losinf a game. Shay Curran was back playing for the point. Downfanatic - heard that he said that the football was that bad in dundrum he would happily travel back to the point three times a week rather than continue with that rubbish. just in respect of transfers how long do you think it will be before mc comiskey transfers to another club?


;D ;D ;D
For his sake it has to happen soon (imo)

Please provide a well thought out and structured rationale as to why McComiskey should transfer.

Ive heard many opinions on it over the years and no one has given me a coherent argument as yet.

I await your response with great excitement.

By the looks of it there are a number of posters looking forward to that response.... Over to you Spirit


Simple;
Dundrum  1-8 1-13 Glenn  Dundrum Round 11 

League table for O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Tullylish  11 9 1 1 155 130 25 19
Glenn  10 8 2 0 151 97 54 16
Drumgath  11 7 2 2 140 117 23 16
Bredagh  11 7 4 0 170 124 46 14
St Johns  11 6 3 2 136 135 1 14
Ardglass  10 5 3 2 165 131 34 12
Dundrum  11 4 4 3 143 139 4 11
Saul  11 4 4 3 138 152 -14 11
Teconnaught  11 2 7 2 106 126 -20 6
St Pauls  11 2 8 1 112 173 -61 5
Drumaness  11 2 9 0 137 160 -23 4
Aghaderg  11 1 10 0 101 170 -69 2
;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on June 22, 2009, 10:39:29 AM
Down Fixtures
Wed24thJune(7 30)ACFLDiv 1KilcoovRostrevor(N Cousins)
Thurs25th(7 30)ACFLDiv 1LiatroimvLongstone(C Reynolds)Fri26th(7 30)ACFLDiv 1CastlewellanvClonduff(B Andrews)LoughinislandvSaval(G Tumelty)BryansfordvBurren(C Brannigan)MayobridgevWarrenpoint(C Broderick)ACFLDiv 2ClannnaBannavDarraghCross(P Mc Dade)AnnaclonevDownpatrick(D Moore)BallymartinvAtticall(B Rice)AnRiochtvCarryduff(G Corrigan)GlasdrummanvBallyholland(L Morgan)ACFLDiv 3TullylishvDundrum(L Smith)BredaghvArdglass(E Mc Elroy)SaulvDrumaness(N Morgan)TeconnaughtvGlenn(M Lynch)DrumgathvStJohns(D Kearns)ACFLDiv 4BallykinlarvDromara(C Mc Alinden)StMicealsvStJohnBosco(E O Hare)AughlisnafinnvMitchels(O Burke)Sun28th(2 00) ACPRCBallymartinvBredagh,LiatroimvLongstone,KilcoovMayobridge,BurrenvSavalRFC(6 00)StJohnBoscovShamrocks,TeconnaughtvStPaulsMon29th(7 30)ACFLDiv 2KilcliefvShamrocks(M Curran)ACFLDiv 3AghadergvStPauls(M Cranney)ACFLDiv4StJohnBoscovDromaraRFCBrightvArdglass,DrumanessvDundrum,MitchelsvStMicheals,CarryduffvStJohns,SaulvClannnaBanna,RostrevorvLiatroim,BurrenvDrumgath,BryansfordvAnRiocht,GlasdrummanvBredagh,CastlewellanvAtticall,MayobridgevDarraghCross,ClonduffvGlenn,KilcoovDownMasters
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on June 22, 2009, 11:25:16 AM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on June 22, 2009, 10:39:29 AM
Down Fixtures
Wed24thJune(7 30)ACFLDiv 1KilcoovRostrevor(N Cousins)
Thurs25th(7 30)ACFLDiv 1LiatroimvLongstone(C Reynolds)Fri26th(7 30)ACFLDiv 1CastlewellanvClonduff(B Andrews)LoughinislandvSaval(G Tumelty)BryansfordvBurren(C Brannigan)MayobridgevWarrenpoint(C Broderick)ACFLDiv 2ClannnaBannavDarraghCross(P Mc Dade)AnnaclonevDownpatrick(D Moore)BallymartinvAtticall(B Rice)AnRiochtvCarryduff(G Corrigan)GlasdrummanvBallyholland(L Morgan)ACFLDiv 3TullylishvDundrum(L Smith)BredaghvArdglass(E Mc Elroy)SaulvDrumaness(N Morgan)TeconnaughtvGlenn(M Lynch)DrumgathvStJohns(D Kearns)ACFLDiv 4BallykinlarvDromara(C Mc Alinden)StMicealsvStJohnBosco(E O Hare)AughlisnafinnvMitchels(O Burke)Sun28th(2 00) ACPRCBallymartinvBredagh,LiatroimvLongstone,KilcoovMayobridge,BurrenvSavalRFC(6 00)StJohnBoscovShamrocks,TeconnaughtvStPaulsMon29th(7 30)ACFLDiv 2KilcliefvShamrocks(M Curran)ACFLDiv 3AghadergvStPauls(M Cranney)ACFLDiv4StJohnBoscovDromaraRFCBrightvArdglass,DrumanessvDundrum,MitchelsvStMicheals,CarryduffvStJohns,SaulvClannnaBanna,RostrevorvLiatroim,BurrenvDrumgath,BryansfordvAnRiocht,GlasdrummanvBredagh,CastlewellanvAtticall,MayobridgevDarraghCross,ClonduffvGlenn,KilcoovDownMasters


very easily read, well done there cloch scoilte
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on June 22, 2009, 12:02:17 PM
 ;D ;D ;D Thats what i was thinking!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 22, 2009, 12:03:58 PM
very well collated and presented indeed...

Any word of the venue for the qualifier v London?? Is it going to be over there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 22, 2009, 03:04:35 PM
Anyone know for definite the closed fortnight dates?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 22, 2009, 03:16:15 PM
Quote from: No1 on June 22, 2009, 03:04:35 PM
Anyone know for definite the closed fortnight dates?

the last round of games are set for Thursday 9th July, with the next round set for Sunday 26th July, but this could change depending on how Down do in the qualifiers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 22, 2009, 03:18:54 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on June 22, 2009, 11:25:16 AM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on June 22, 2009, 10:39:29 AM
Down Fixtures
Wed24thJune(7 30)ACFLDiv 1KilcoovRostrevor(N Cousins)
Thurs25th(7 30)ACFLDiv 1LiatroimvLongstone(C Reynolds)Fri26th(7 30)ACFLDiv 1CastlewellanvClonduff(B Andrews)LoughinislandvSaval(G Tumelty)BryansfordvBurren(C Brannigan)MayobridgevWarrenpoint(C Broderick)ACFLDiv 2ClannnaBannavDarraghCross(P Mc Dade)AnnaclonevDownpatrick(D Moore)BallymartinvAtticall(B Rice)AnRiochtvCarryduff(G Corrigan)GlasdrummanvBallyholland(L Morgan)ACFLDiv 3TullylishvDundrum(L Smith)BredaghvArdglass(E Mc Elroy)SaulvDrumaness(N Morgan)TeconnaughtvGlenn(M Lynch)DrumgathvStJohns(D Kearns)ACFLDiv 4BallykinlarvDromara(C Mc Alinden)StMicealsvStJohnBosco(E O Hare)AughlisnafinnvMitchels(O Burke)Sun28th(2 00) ACPRCBallymartinvBredagh,LiatroimvLongstone,KilcoovMayobridge,BurrenvSavalRFC(6 00)StJohnBoscovShamrocks,TeconnaughtvStPaulsMon29th(7 30)ACFLDiv 2KilcliefvShamrocks(M Curran)ACFLDiv 3AghadergvStPauls(M Cranney)ACFLDiv4StJohnBoscovDromaraRFCBrightvArdglass,DrumanessvDundrum,MitchelsvStMicheals,CarryduffvStJohns,SaulvClannnaBanna,RostrevorvLiatroim,BurrenvDrumgath,BryansfordvAnRiocht,GlasdrummanvBredagh,CastlewellanvAtticall,MayobridgevDarraghCross,ClonduffvGlenn,KilcoovDownMasters


very easily read, well done there cloch scoilte

Bottom centre of the keyboard. It's called a "space bar".
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on June 22, 2009, 03:22:46 PM
Down Fixtures

Wed24thJune(7 30)
ACFLDiv 1
KilcoovRostrevor(N Cousins)

Thurs25th(7 30)
ACFLDiv 1
LiatroimvLongstone(C Reynolds)

Fri26th(7 30)
ACFLDiv 1
CastlewellanvClonduff(B Andrews)
LoughinislandvSaval(G Tumelty)
BryansfordvBurren(C Brannigan)
MayobridgevWarrenpoint(C Broderick)
ACFLDiv 2
ClannnaBannavDarraghCross(P Mc Dade)
AnnaclonevDownpatrick(D Moore)
BallymartinvAtticall(B Rice)
AnRiochtvCarryduff(G Corrigan)
GlasdrummanvBallyholland(L Morgan)
ACFLDiv 3
TullylishvDundrum(L Smith)
BredaghvArdglass(E Mc Elroy)
SaulvDrumaness(N Morgan)
TeconnaughtvGlenn(M Lynch)
DrumgathvStJohns(D Kearns)
ACFLDiv 4
BallykinlarvDromara(C Mc Alinden)
StMicealsvStJohnBosco(E O Hare)
AughlisnafinnvMitchels(O Burke)

Sun28th(2 00)
ACPRC
BallymartinvBredagh,
LiatroimvLongstone,
KilcoovMayobridge,
BurrenvSaval
RFC(6 00)
StJohnBoscovShamrocks,
TeconnaughtvStPauls

Mon29th(7 30)
ACFLDiv 2
KilcliefvShamrocks(M Curran)

ACFLDiv 3
AghadergvStPauls(M Cranney)

ACFLDiv4
StJohnBoscovDromara

RFC
BrightvArdglass,
DrumanessvDundrum,
MitchelsvStMicheals,
CarryduffvStJohns,
SaulvClannnaBanna,
RostrevorvLiatroim,
BurrenvDrumgath,
BryansfordvAnRiocht,
GlasdrummanvBredagh,
CastlewellanvAtticall,
MayobridgevDarraghCross
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on June 22, 2009, 03:24:09 PM
LFDown2,

I hope this is a bit clearer for you!!

After a heavy weekend it was probably a bit too much for your eyes to compute!!!! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on June 22, 2009, 03:27:25 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 22, 2009, 12:32:38 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on June 21, 2009, 08:25:17 PM
No mid down Gael I never said that Kilcoo were not understrength, I said Castlewellan were- Luke Toner, Ruairi McArdle,Finbar Lennon, Niall McArdle, Aidy Burns, Bernard McAleenan, Mark Stratton, Kieran McCabe and Shay McVeigh all missing. By the way, you said Paddy Devlin was missing- he is only a seconds player, wouldn't even get on a div 4 senior team and Ciaran McClean would not get on Kilcoo's strongest 15. Don't be a sore loser now and take your beating

Fair play. Yous beat Kilcoo in Kilcoo for first time in ten years, good on yous. No need to insult club players over a message board. Nial McArdle has not played in 3 years and most off othersnamed wouldnt make the town seconds apart from Burns and Ruairi. Paddy Dev started in League final Last year, yeah div one final. So no need for insults in a joyful weekend for yous.

Niall McArdle played last season and is back training, Aidy Burns is training and all the others I mentioned played senior football in the last 3 weeks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 22, 2009, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 22, 2009, 08:50:42 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 19, 2009, 04:42:31 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 19, 2009, 04:35:04 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 19, 2009, 09:18:07 AM
Quote from: islandboy on June 19, 2009, 09:08:16 AM
island always in front and never looked like losinf a game. Shay Curran was back playing for the point. Downfanatic - heard that he said that the football was that bad in dundrum he would happily travel back to the point three times a week rather than continue with that rubbish. just in respect of transfers how long do you think it will be before mc comiskey transfers to another club?


;D ;D ;D
For his sake it has to happen soon (imo)

Please provide a well thought out and structured rationale as to why McComiskey should transfer.

Ive heard many opinions on it over the years and no one has given me a coherent argument as yet.

I await your response with great excitement.

By the looks of it there are a number of posters looking forward to that response.... Over to you Spirit


Simple;
Dundrum  1-8 1-13 Glenn  Dundrum Round 11 

League table for O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Tullylish  11 9 1 1 155 130 25 19
Glenn  10 8 2 0 151 97 54 16
Drumgath  11 7 2 2 140 117 23 16
Bredagh  11 7 4 0 170 124 46 14
St Johns  11 6 3 2 136 135 1 14
Ardglass  10 5 3 2 165 131 34 12
Dundrum  11 4 4 3 143 139 4 11
Saul  11 4 4 3 138 152 -14 11
Teconnaught  11 2 7 2 106 126 -20 6
St Pauls  11 2 8 1 112 173 -61 5
Drumaness  11 2 9 0 137 160 -23 4
Aghaderg  11 1 10 0 101 170 -69 2
;D


That was a great argument you put forward there  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 22, 2009, 04:32:19 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 22, 2009, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 22, 2009, 08:50:42 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 19, 2009, 04:42:31 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 19, 2009, 04:35:04 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 19, 2009, 09:18:07 AM
Quote from: islandboy on June 19, 2009, 09:08:16 AM
island always in front and never looked like losinf a game. Shay Curran was back playing for the point. Downfanatic - heard that he said that the football was that bad in dundrum he would happily travel back to the point three times a week rather than continue with that rubbish. just in respect of transfers how long do you think it will be before mc comiskey transfers to another club?


;D ;D ;D
For his sake it has to happen soon (imo)

Please provide a well thought out and structured rationale as to why McComiskey should transfer.

Ive heard many opinions on it over the years and no one has given me a coherent argument as yet.

I await your response with great excitement.

By the looks of it there are a number of posters looking forward to that response.... Over to you Spirit


Simple;
Dundrum  1-8 1-13 Glenn  Dundrum Round 11 

League table for O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Tullylish  11 9 1 1 155 130 25 19
Glenn  10 8 2 0 151 97 54 16
Drumgath  11 7 2 2 140 117 23 16
Bredagh  11 7 4 0 170 124 46 14
St Johns  11 6 3 2 136 135 1 14
Ardglass  10 5 3 2 165 131 34 12
Dundrum  11 4 4 3 143 139 4 11
Saul  11 4 4 3 138 152 -14 11
Teconnaught  11 2 7 2 106 126 -20 6
St Pauls  11 2 8 1 112 173 -61 5
Drumaness  11 2 9 0 137 160 -23 4
Aghaderg  11 1 10 0 101 170 -69 2
;D


That was a great argument you put forward there  ???

Some Strong,educated, coherent, well structured and valid points Spirit.. You have me won over by it  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on June 22, 2009, 05:28:25 PM
Down at home for qualifier as they had 2 aways last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on June 22, 2009, 09:49:20 PM
Quote from: No1 on June 22, 2009, 03:04:35 PM
Anyone know for definite the closed fortnight dates?
Talkin to Sean Og tonight he said London match in Newry 4th july think a 6 throw in but to be confirmed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on June 22, 2009, 10:11:06 PM
Throw in is at 7pm according to www.gaa.ie
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 23, 2009, 12:08:33 AM
Can anyone shed some light on the tactics of our management during the MHC semi against Derry at Casement on Saturday ? From the start of the game, we were seriously lacking pace and losing individual contests all over the pitch. Derry,who were obviously a decent side, pulled further away in the second half and eventually won by 12. However, we only used a single sub in the entire match. This made no sense at all as by all accounts we had some reasonable players on the bench. Apparently, when we beat Fermanagh by 20 plus points in the previous round, we again only sent on a couple of subs late in the day. We lost to a better team on Sunday, but our general approach looked clueless.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 23, 2009, 07:08:35 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 23, 2009, 12:08:33 AM
Can anyone shed some light on the tactics of our management during the MHC semi against Derry at Casement on Saturday ? From the start of the game, we were seriously lacking pace and losing individual contests all over the pitch. Derry,who were obviously a decent side, pulled further away in the second half and eventually won by 12. However, we only used a single sub in the entire match. This made no sense at all as by all accounts we had some reasonable players on the bench. Apparently, when we beat Fermanagh by 20 plus points in the previous round, we again only sent on a couple of subs late in the day. We lost to a better team on Sunday, but our general approach looked clueless.

I think our lads made Derry look good to be honest. Derry struggled to get past Armagh 2 weeks ago and will struggle even more against Antrim.

No idea what the management were up to. Last week they made one change early in the second half. With the game over at half time it looked like an ideal opportunity to give some lads who have trained all year a run out in the championship at Casement.

Only one change again yesterday when our defense in particular looked all at sea. Don't understand it myself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on June 23, 2009, 11:07:35 AM
does anyone know the rules for eligibilty of players for the reserve championship for thirds teams?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 23, 2009, 11:12:54 AM
Quote from: maldini on June 23, 2009, 11:07:35 AM
does anyone know the rules for eligibilty of players for the reserve championship for thirds teams?



Mustn't have played any higher grade of championship last year. That's it AFAIK.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 23, 2009, 01:05:26 PM
QuoteMustn't have played any higher grade of championship last year. That's it AFAIK.

Nearly there passedit

Mustn't have played any higher grade of championship this season or last in County Down. The one exception to this is when a team regrades from All County Reserve Championship to Reserve Championship. In this case players from that club who haven't played Senior, Intermediate or Junior Championship this season or last are eligible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 23, 2009, 03:17:34 PM
Are castlewellen in the PRFC this year because they won the RFC last year or does it not work like that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 23, 2009, 03:28:54 PM
Don't think it works like that.  I'd say their seconds will play PRFC and their thirds will play RFC.

I take it the EDRFL fixtures in today's paper will be put back a week so they don't clash with the RFC fixtures taking place this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 23, 2009, 03:31:00 PM
Sorry i forgot that they had a seconds and a thirds team, I was thinking the team that won the RFC was their 2nds!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 23, 2009, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: No1 on June 23, 2009, 03:28:54 PM
Don't think it works like that.  I'd say their seconds will play PRFC and their thirds will play RFC.

I take it the EDRFL fixtures in today's paper will be put back a week so they don't clash with the RFC fixtures taking place this weekend?

Yeah they are off on Sunday but it was another classic example of our admin not working together - why is the C'ship not on Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: observer on June 23, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on June 19, 2009, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: down_born_bred on June 18, 2009, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on June 17, 2009, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: down_born_bred on June 17, 2009, 08:55:31 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on June 03, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
Have to agree with An Cloch Scoilte re Leos post - Leo, your just an idiot who hasnt the intelligence to learn a bit of Irish - there only 50 odd clubs in Down - it's a poor reflection on you if you cant work out what their names are in Irish when they're written down in front of you, even though there may be the odd spelling mistake (as can happen in englsih - sorry Leo you probably couldnt work that one out so I'll try again - english).

An Cloch Scoilte - I see the St Marys team beat Glenn yesterday evening. If I remember correctly some of the regular posters didnt know who St Marys were ::) and some tube (T. O'Hare, I think) thought it was a handy draw for Glenn!!. ::) Wonder how handy Glenn feel about it this morning?  :-\They'll be away home with their tails between their legs to lick their wounds..... :) :) :)

Hopefully after the awarding of the Down GAA Gaeltacht Grants we'll have 38 extra people who can translate the club names.

Can grants be awarded to people in Down Cllubs who live outside the county - Bredagh St Michaels etc?



When did we move out of down? jesus i must have been sleeping for a while as i didnt hear anything about this. ;)

Oops - just asking a question ............

but it would be news that all your members were born and currently live in our beloved county!


how many teams dont have a couple of blow in's? admitedly we may have more than most being in the city, but look at both our senior football and senior hurling teams and you will see that they are made up mostly of bredagh natives.

Congratulations to John Devaney (Irish and Culture Officer with Down GAA Board – Bredagh and Eamon Mac Ruairí (Down GAA Irish Language Committee – Carryduff) on all the work they have put in on the promotion of the Irish Language in the North of our county.

It was nice to see it rewarded with eight grants going to Carryduff & four to Bredagh.

As John says 'we are keen to promote the benefits to all young people, regardless of their knowledge or proficiency of the language.'

Congratulations to all below who received the grants.


Orla McCrickard Castlewellan            Emma Boyle Carryduff            Lauren McKiernan Carryduff              Katie Magorrian Carryduff         
Hannah Magorrian CarryduffLaura McGeough Carryduff                Eoghain Rogers Carryduff                Anthony Laverty Liatroim                        Ruairí Campbell Ballyholland + Newry Shamrocks
Cillín Morgan Drumaness         Laura Fletcher Aghaderg         Tiarnáin Curran Bredagh         Micheál Ó Rourke Liatroim
Claren Owens Bryansford         Matthew Nugent Loughinisland    James Lavery Carryduff          Seán Ó Coileain Downpatrick
Caoimhe Fitzpatrick Burren              Tiarnáin Ó Corráin Downpatrick  Sharon Farrell Burren           Philip Cassidy Drumaness
Conor Francis Bredagh           Alana Zimmerman Drumgath                Roisin Murray Bredagh           Michillín Ní Fhloinn Loughinisland
Mark McConville Carryduff               Sarah King Bryansford           Sarah Carvill An Riocht         Clodagh Murray Loughinisland
Declan Turley Downpatrick               Teresa Marsden St Michaels              Catherine Marsden St Michaels   Lucy Doran Bredagh
Ruairí Keenan Ballyholland              Feidhlim Macauley Aghaderg/Ballyvarley                          Oisín Lynch Newry Shamrocks
Siofra Bradley Teconnaught              Ben Rafferty An Riocht         

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 23, 2009, 06:46:30 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on June 23, 2009, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: No1 on June 23, 2009, 03:28:54 PM
Don't think it works like that.  I'd say their seconds will play PRFC and their thirds will play RFC.

I take it the EDRFL fixtures in today's paper will be put back a week so they don't clash with the RFC fixtures taking place this weekend?

Yeah they are off on Sunday but it was another classic example of our admin not working together - why is the C'ship not on Sunday?

ID say its to ensure players cant field for there thirds teams first who would be available explaining why Premier reserve is played a day earlier.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 23, 2009, 09:30:25 PM
QuoteRuairí Campbell Ballyholland + Newry Shamrocks

5 Sams or thewobbler, what's that one all about?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on June 23, 2009, 10:29:53 PM
Quote from: No1 on June 23, 2009, 09:30:25 PM
QuoteRuairí Campbell Ballyholland + Newry Shamrocks

5 Sams or thewobbler, what's that one all about?!

could be wrong but i would imagine football and hurling
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 23, 2009, 10:31:59 PM
Football and hurling no1. Can anyone tell me the criteria here as I hv a dual player heading off to the gaeltacht the mara paid for by the passedit grants comittees. Do you need a club member on the other  grants comittee?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on June 24, 2009, 07:54:16 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on June 03, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
Have to agree with An Cloch Scoilte re Leos post - Leo, your just an idiot who hasnt the intelligence to learn a bit of Irish - there only 50 odd clubs in Down - it's a poor reflection on you if you cant work out what their names are in Irish when they're written down in front of you, even though there may be the odd spelling mistake (as can happen in englsih - sorry Leo you probably couldnt work that one out so I'll try again - english).

Had to rebuke myself for being an unintelligent  idiot when GAA President Christy Cooney (make that Criostor O'Coineain) at the Qualifier Draw on Sunday referred to Cill Mantain as Westmeath!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 24, 2009, 10:48:03 AM
Football and hurling would make sense right enough!

Ballyholland men with sticks....... :o  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 24, 2009, 11:29:21 AM
Quote from: No1 on June 24, 2009, 10:48:03 AM
Football and hurling would make sense right enough!

Ballyholland men with sticks....... :o  ;D

No worse that Kilclief men with sticks!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 24, 2009, 11:57:25 AM
Quote from: No1 on June 24, 2009, 10:48:03 AM
Football and hurling would make sense right enough!

Ballyholland men with sticks....... :o  ;D

:D :D

That reminds of the time I was chatting to a few of the locals in Ventry about Paul Galvin and they were telling me his first love was actually hurling.....one of them said..

"Imagine thon hoor with a schtick!!!" :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down_born_bred on June 24, 2009, 12:22:28 PM
Quote from: observer on June 23, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on June 19, 2009, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: down_born_bred on June 18, 2009, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on June 17, 2009, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: down_born_bred on June 17, 2009, 08:55:31 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on June 03, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
Have to agree with An Cloch Scoilte re Leos post - Leo, your just an idiot who hasnt the intelligence to learn a bit of Irish - there only 50 odd clubs in Down - it's a poor reflection on you if you cant work out what their names are in Irish when they're written down in front of you, even though there may be the odd spelling mistake (as can happen in englsih - sorry Leo you probably couldnt work that one out so I'll try again - english).

An Cloch Scoilte - I see the St Marys team beat Glenn yesterday evening. If I remember correctly some of the regular posters didnt know who St Marys were ::) and some tube (T. O'Hare, I think) thought it was a handy draw for Glenn!!. ::) Wonder how handy Glenn feel about it this morning?  :-\They'll be away home with their tails between their legs to lick their wounds..... :) :) :)

Hopefully after the awarding of the Down GAA Gaeltacht Grants we'll have 38 extra people who can translate the club names.

Can grants be awarded to people in Down Cllubs who live outside the county - Bredagh St Michaels etc?



When did we move out of down? jesus i must have been sleeping for a while as i didnt hear anything about this. ;)

Oops - just asking a question ............

but it would be news that all your members were born and currently live in our beloved county!


how many teams dont have a couple of blow in's? admitedly we may have more than most being in the city, but look at both our senior football and senior hurling teams and you will see that they are made up mostly of bredagh natives.

Congratulations to John Devaney (Irish and Culture Officer with Down GAA Board – Bredagh and Eamon Mac Ruairí (Down GAA Irish Language Committee – Carryduff) on all the work they have put in on the promotion of the Irish Language in the North of our county.

It was nice to see it rewarded with eight grants going to Carryduff & four to Bredagh.

As John says 'we are keen to promote the benefits to all young people, regardless of their knowledge or proficiency of the language.'

Congratulations to all below who received the grants.


Orla McCrickard Castlewellan            Emma Boyle Carryduff            Lauren McKiernan Carryduff              Katie Magorrian Carryduff         
Hannah Magorrian CarryduffLaura McGeough Carryduff                Eoghain Rogers Carryduff                Anthony Laverty Liatroim                        Ruairí Campbell Ballyholland + Newry Shamrocks
Cillín Morgan Drumaness         Laura Fletcher Aghaderg         Tiarnáin Curran Bredagh         Micheál Ó Rourke Liatroim
Claren Owens Bryansford         Matthew Nugent Loughinisland    James Lavery Carryduff          Seán Ó Coileain Downpatrick
Caoimhe Fitzpatrick Burren              Tiarnáin Ó Corráin Downpatrick  Sharon Farrell Burren           Philip Cassidy Drumaness
Conor Francis Bredagh           Alana Zimmerman Drumgath                Roisin Murray Bredagh           Michillín Ní Fhloinn Loughinisland
Mark McConville Carryduff               Sarah King Bryansford           Sarah Carvill An Riocht         Clodagh Murray Loughinisland
Declan Turley Downpatrick               Teresa Marsden St Michaels              Catherine Marsden St Michaels   Lucy Doran Bredagh
Ruairí Keenan Ballyholland              Feidhlim Macauley Aghaderg/Ballyvarley                          Oisín Lynch Newry Shamrocks
Siofra Bradley Teconnaught              Ben Rafferty An Riocht         



Hmmm..............

Hope the hard work didn't involve helping the kids fill out their forms and the judging their applications.

???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 24, 2009, 02:00:37 PM
QuoteNo worse that Kilclief men with sticks! 

Ach now, sure haven't we one of the finest coaches youse ever produced to keep us right these days?  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 24, 2009, 09:08:52 PM
Division 1 Result

Kilcoo 1-7 Rostrevor 1-3

Two very understrength teams out. Id say both teams where minus up on 8 regulars.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 24, 2009, 09:23:05 PM
Down-born-bred etc ,in terms of filling in applications and judging them, what are you suggesting ?First of all, Eamon Mac Ruairi is a Glasdrumman man, not Carryduff. Secondly, the 4 Bredagh recipients are all active players so no better people to benefit.Thirdly, the criteria was clear and transparent.
I have an interest in this and my child is going to the gaeltacht for the fourth year in a row and this is the first time she has received a contribution form the County Board.
John, Eamon and the others involved deserve our full praise and support for their work, not anonymous sniping based on false information.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 24, 2009, 10:06:05 PM
DUBH, I suspect DBB has a real beef about this as he registered specificly to moan about it. I was being flippant as I see the money as well spent to be rid of the little monster for ten days  ;). I am however interested in the criteria for future reference, anywhere I can find it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on June 24, 2009, 10:53:34 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 24, 2009, 10:06:05 PM
ten days  ;)

3weeks :D

Pure class.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 25, 2009, 09:50:06 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 24, 2009, 09:08:52 PM
Division 1 Result

Kilcoo 1-7 Rostrevor 1-3

Two very understrength teams out. Id say both teams where minus up on 8 regulars.

We were missing 7 certain starters with another 3 good players out. Having said that we couldn't have hit a score to save our lives last night!! Poor enough game, was really down to kilcoo putting over the chances in 2nd half tha we missed in 1st half!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 25, 2009, 10:13:24 AM
Are this weekends games starred lads????  ......would be for minors obviously
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2009, 10:38:30 AM
Yeah that was the difference between the sides supersub. Kilcoo made the most of their chances with some great long range scores. The magpies had 9 players missing from the side that started league final against the Bridge in Newry last November. Two very understrength teams out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 25, 2009, 10:48:23 AM
Yeh was very clear to see how understrength both were, however Kilcoo no.9 caught some wonderful ball in the middle of the field during the game! No.12 Barry Kane was it scored a great long range free in 2nd half and followed up with another quick score which really killed the game!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2009, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 25, 2009, 10:13:24 AM
Are this weekends games starred lads????  ......would be for minors obviously
county players are available for this weekend but starred after that id say until Down exit championship as qualifers are played on consecutive weekends. So starrred for remaining two rounds until July fortnight assuming we beat London.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 25, 2009, 12:38:44 PM
I was led to believe that Friday nights games were starred. Anyone confirm for definite?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on June 25, 2009, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 25, 2009, 12:38:44 PM
I was led to believe that Friday nights games were starred. Anyone confirm for definite?

What's starred lads, county players available?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 25, 2009, 12:42:33 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 25, 2009, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 25, 2009, 12:38:44 PM
I was led to believe that Friday nights games were starred. Anyone confirm for definite?

What's starred lads, county players available?

It means county players cannot play! Well our match was moved to last night and was starred but Colm Murney got permission to play from Ross as he is just coming back from injury! So I presume all tomorow nights matchs are starred!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 25, 2009, 12:52:55 PM
Paul Murphy sais to me last night that county players can play this Friday night. I presume that's coming from Ross.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2009, 12:54:46 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 25, 2009, 12:42:33 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 25, 2009, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 25, 2009, 12:38:44 PM
I was led to believe that Friday nights games were starred. Anyone confirm for definite?

What's starred lads, county players available?

It means county players cannot play! Well our match was moved to last night and was starred but Colm Murney got permission to play from Ross as he is just coming back from injury! So I presume all tomorow nights matchs are starred!

Its a joke starring players with over a week to a game against London. That means 3 games in a row clubs not having their top players available assuming we beat the exiles. Surely it would make more sence to give the lads games rather than wrapping them up in cotton wool for a game against London. Hope what wobbler says is correct and the players are available to their clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on June 25, 2009, 01:01:43 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2009, 12:54:46 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 25, 2009, 12:42:33 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 25, 2009, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 25, 2009, 12:38:44 PM
I was led to believe that Friday nights games were starred. Anyone confirm for definite?

What's starred lads, county players available?

It means county players cannot play! Well our match was moved to last night and was starred but Colm Murney got permission to play from Ross as he is just coming back from injury! So I presume all tomorow nights matchs are starred!

Its a joke starring players with over a week to a game against London. That means 3 games in a row clubs not having their top players available assuming we beat the exiles. Surely it would make more sence to give the lads games rather than wrapping them up in cotton wool for a game against London. Hope what wobbler says is correct and the players are available to their clubs.

aye but at least it means even more clubs can talk about being understrength...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 25, 2009, 01:36:54 PM
I hope Ross does not underestimate London, This game is not a walk in the park!!!! Galway beat London 1.18 to 1.7.. Eleven points is not a massive score!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2009, 02:20:30 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on June 25, 2009, 01:01:43 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2009, 12:54:46 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 25, 2009, 12:42:33 PM
Quote from: corn02 on June 25, 2009, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 25, 2009, 12:38:44 PM
I was led to believe that Friday nights games were starred. Anyone confirm for definite?

What's starred lads, county players available?

It means county players cannot play! Well our match was moved to last night and was starred but Colm Murney got permission to play from Ross as he is just coming back from injury! So I presume all tomorow nights matchs are starred!

Its a joke starring players with over a week to a game against London. That means 3 games in a row clubs not having their top players available assuming we beat the exiles. Surely it would make more sence to give the lads games rather than wrapping them up in cotton wool for a game against London. Hope what wobbler says is correct and the players are available to their clubs.

aye but at least it means even more clubs can talk about being understrength...

Well the same understrength Kilcoo team hammered Liatriom at full strength so its not an excuse when winning without many regulars.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 25, 2009, 03:00:59 PM
Who has PJ Magee managed in Down club football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2009, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 25, 2009, 03:00:59 PM
Who has PJ Magee managed in Down club football?

Liatriom a good few years back as well as Longstone and Rostrevor in last 15 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 25, 2009, 03:16:26 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2009, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 25, 2009, 03:00:59 PM
Who has PJ Magee managed in Down club football?

Liatriom a good few years back as well as Longstone and Rostrevor in last 15 years.

Did he manage the Stone to an IFC and Rostrevor to a SFC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 25, 2009, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2009, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 25, 2009, 03:00:59 PM
Who has PJ Magee managed in Down club football?

Liatriom a good few years back as well as Longstone and Rostrevor in last 15 years.

Yeh one of the best managers to ever be over rostrevor!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 25, 2009, 04:35:52 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 25, 2009, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2009, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 25, 2009, 03:00:59 PM
Who has PJ Magee managed in Down club football?

Liatriom a good few years back as well as Longstone and Rostrevor in last 15 years.

Yeh one of the best managers to ever be over rostrevor!!

Better than Rafferty????? ;D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2009, 05:45:42 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 25, 2009, 03:16:26 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2009, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 25, 2009, 03:00:59 PM
Who has PJ Magee managed in Down club football?

Liatriom a good few years back as well as Longstone and Rostrevor in last 15 years.

Did he manage the Stone to an IFC and Rostrevor to a SFC?

He did yeah. Rostrevor in 1998 and the stone the early 2000's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 25, 2009, 06:00:05 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 25, 2009, 04:35:52 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 25, 2009, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2009, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 25, 2009, 03:00:59 PM
Who has PJ Magee managed in Down club football?

Liatriom a good few years back as well as Longstone and Rostrevor in last 15 years.

Yeh one of the best managers to ever be over rostrevor!!

Better than Rafferty????? ;D ;)

Time will tell ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 25, 2009, 09:05:37 PM
Liatroim 0-13
Longstone 0-15

Another good 2 points away from home, the Stone up to 4th in the table now on score difference!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 25, 2009, 09:19:39 PM
Quote from: D4S on June 25, 2009, 09:05:37 PM
Liatroim 0-13
Longstone 0-15

Another good 2 points away from home, the Stone up to 4th in the table now on score difference!

I hear Ryan Kelly is playing some stuff. Is he good enough for county senior?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 25, 2009, 09:22:39 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 24, 2009, 10:06:05 PM
DUBH, I suspect DBB has a real beef about this as he registered specificly to moan about it. I was being flippant as I see the money as well spent to be rid of the little monster for ten days  ;). I am however interested in the criteria for future reference, anywhere I can find it?

There was a detailed form , with questions on involvement in the club(inc.scor) or county ,details of school, name of team coach and previous grants/scholarships etc. The sum involved is 1/6th of the cost.I applied 3 years ago and never heard a word so the form seems like a good move and ideal for begrudgers like DBB.Did anyone who completed the form not get anything ? BTW, 2 year ago Bredagh won the County U16 B Hurling championship and our captain delivered his entire acceptance speech as Gaeilge.Does anyone know if this has ever happened before or since, at any level? So , money well spent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on June 25, 2009, 09:26:56 PM
He's playing brilliantly I'm told and scoring a lot, his free-taking is first class! Played on Down minor team in '05 and was excellent until he lost his spleen later that year.  Took him a while to get back, and has steadily improved as a senior footballer and got stronger over the last 3 years, his form this year is better than ever.  Whether he's good enough for the county, I don't see why not when you look at some of the other footballers that are there, but he would be a massive loss to us if he did get called up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on June 25, 2009, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 25, 2009, 01:36:54 PM
I hope Ross does not underestimate London, This game is not a walk in the park!!!! Galway beat London 1.18 to 1.7.. Eleven points is not a massive score!!!

Ross wouldnt underestimate anyone now whould he?

http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=113786

Down manager Ross Carr believes that it would take a shock of mammoth proportion for London to defeat the Ulster side in the All-Ireland qualifiers.
The Mourne County have home advantage against the exiles next Saturday evening and Down go into the match as overwhelming favourites to advance to the second round.
Carr acknowledges the fact that his side need to win this match if they are to show any progression since the former county star took over as manager.
"If we can react properly this time and address and approach it as a job to be done, then we should come through it. I'll put it like this if we don't I'll be in London next year," stressed Carr.
"This is a game we should win. If we have any sort of desire to progress through the qualifiers it's a game that we have to win and also put down a marker in."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 26, 2009, 02:03:05 AM
QuoteBTW, 2 year ago Bredagh won the County U16 B Hurling championship and our captain delivered his entire acceptance speech as Gaeilge.Does anyone know if this has ever happened before or since, at any level? So , money well spent.

Two or three seasons ago Sean Ennis im led to believe delivered his acceptance speech for Ballycran after both the Down Minor Hurling Championship and Ulster Club finals as Gaeilge. He's now studying to become an Irish teacher.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 26, 2009, 09:06:18 PM
Division one Result

Bryansford 1-11 Burren 0-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 26, 2009, 09:17:45 PM
Bridge 0.10 Point 0.9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 26, 2009, 09:19:35 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 26, 2009, 09:17:45 PM
Bridge 0.10 Point 0.9

Jesus that was close. Where yous many short?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 26, 2009, 09:26:00 PM
Bredagh beat Ardglass by 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 26, 2009, 09:43:40 PM
Loughinisland 0-14 Saval 0-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on June 26, 2009, 09:46:46 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 26, 2009, 09:06:18 PM
Division one Result

Bryansford 1-11 Burren 0-11



Thats a big result for the ford was talking to one of there management and he told me because of holidays and various things that they would be severly weakened this week.. obviously not!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 26, 2009, 09:56:40 PM
Tullylish Dundrum draw 13 each
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 26, 2009, 10:02:32 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on June 26, 2009, 09:46:46 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 26, 2009, 09:06:18 PM
Division one Result

Bryansford 1-11 Burren 0-11

Thats a big result for the ford was talking to one of there management and he told me because of holidays and various things that they would be severly weakened this week.. obviously not!!

They where minus Luke Howard, Brian King and Pete Travers. Joe Ireland came on in second half.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on June 26, 2009, 10:26:41 PM
Friday 26th June 2009
O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Loughinisland  0-14 0-14 Saval  Loughinisland Round 12 
Bryansford  1-13 0-13 Burren  Bryansford Round 12 
Mayobridge  0-10 0-9 Warrenpoint  Mayobridge Round 12

O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Annaclone  2-12 1-8 Downpatrick  Annaclone Round 12 
An Riocht  1-7 0-6 Carryduff  An Riocht Round 12 
Glasdrumman  1-7 3-10 Ballyholland  Glasdrumman Round 12 
Ballymartin  0-14 1-13 Atticall  Ballymartin Round 12

O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Tullylish  0-13 0-13 Dundrum  Tullylish Round 12 
Bredagh  2-10 0-13 Ardglass  Bredagh Round 12 
Saul  0-8 2-4 Drumaness  Saul Round 12 
Teconnaught  1-12 0-9 Glenn  Teconnaught Round 12 
Drumgath  1-13 1-6 St Johns  Drumgath Round 12 

O Neills Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ballykinlar  1-9 1-9 Dromara  Ballykinlar Round 12 
St Michaels  0-12 3-10 St John Bosco  St Michaels Round 12 
Aughlisnafin  0-3 2-15 Mitchels  Aughlisnafin Round 12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Our Nail Loney on June 26, 2009, 10:35:47 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on June 26, 2009, 10:26:41 PM
Friday 26th June 2009
O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Loughinisland  0-14 0-14 Saval  Loughinisland Round 12 
Bryansford  1-13 0-13 Burren  Bryansford Round 12 
Mayobridge  0-10 0-9 Warrenpoint  Mayobridge Round 12

O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Annaclone  2-12 1-8 Downpatrick  Annaclone Round 12 
An Riocht  1-7 0-6 Carryduff  An Riocht Round 12 
Glasdrumman  1-7 3-10 Ballyholland  Glasdrumman Round 12 
Ballymartin  0-14 1-13 Atticall  Ballymartin Round 12

O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Tullylish  0-13 0-13 Dundrum  Tullylish Round 12 
Bredagh  2-10 0-13 Ardglass  Bredagh Round 12 
Saul  0-8 2-4 Drumaness  Saul Round 12 
Teconnaught  1-12 0-9 Glenn  Teconnaught Round 12 
Drumgath  1-13 1-6 St Johns  Drumgath Round 12 

O Neills Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ballykinlar  1-9 1-9 Dromara  Ballykinlar Round 12 
St Michaels  0-12 3-10 St John Bosco  St Michaels Round 12 
Aughlisnafin  0-3 2-15 Mitchels  Aughlisnafin Round 12


St Michaels were going ok against Bosco but then conceded two goals in two minutes and had one of their main players sent off... Ah well... Bosco have the league in the bag now, playoff up for grabs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 26, 2009, 10:39:54 PM
What about Aghaderg v St Pauls?

Pld   W   D   L   Pts   TEAMS
12   9   2   1   20   Tullylish*
12   8   2   2   18   Drumgath*
12   8   0   4   16   Bredagh
11   8   0   3   16   Glenn
12   6   2   4   14   St Johns
12   4   4   4   12   Dundrum*
11   5   2   4   12   Ardglass
12   4   3   5   11   Saul
12   3   2   7   8   Teconnaght
12   3   0   9   6   Drumaness
11   2   1   8   5   St Pauls
11   1   0   10   2   Aghaderg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on June 26, 2009, 10:48:47 PM
Quote from: Our Nail Loney on June 26, 2009, 10:35:47 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on June 26, 2009, 10:26:41 PM
Friday 26th June 2009
O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Loughinisland  0-14 0-14 Saval  Loughinisland Round 12 
Bryansford  1-13 0-13 Burren  Bryansford Round 12 
Mayobridge  0-10 0-9 Warrenpoint  Mayobridge Round 12

O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Annaclone  2-12 1-8 Downpatrick  Annaclone Round 12 
An Riocht  1-7 0-6 Carryduff  An Riocht Round 12 
Glasdrumman  1-7 3-10 Ballyholland  Glasdrumman Round 12 
Ballymartin  0-14 1-13 Atticall  Ballymartin Round 12

O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Tullylish  0-13 0-13 Dundrum  Tullylish Round 12 
Bredagh  2-10 0-13 Ardglass  Bredagh Round 12 
Saul  0-8 2-4 Drumaness  Saul Round 12 
Teconnaught  1-12 0-9 Glenn  Teconnaught Round 12 
Drumgath  1-13 1-6 St Johns  Drumgath Round 12 

O Neills Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ballykinlar  1-9 1-9 Dromara  Ballykinlar Round 12 
St Michaels  0-12 3-10 St John Bosco  St Michaels Round 12 
Aughlisnafin  0-3 2-15 Mitchels  Aughlisnafin Round 12


St Michaels were going ok against Bosco but then conceded two goals in two minutes and had one of their main players sent off... Ah well... Bosco have the league in the bag now, playoff up for grabs.
Only 1 team goes up. you may face mitchels in league semi and winners face Bosco in league final to see who goes up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on June 27, 2009, 12:13:40 AM
I just watched the An Riocht Vs Carryduff game, Carryduff are as boring a team as ive ever watched, pure boring. They have no desire to score, just sit back and hope to get a few scores. And they also bring teams down to there level which makes for a poor match no matter who they play!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 27, 2009, 01:09:38 AM
Ned, an Riocht are usually two divisions ahead of Carryduff but the two clubs have found themselves in the same section this season. The home side has a 100 pc record in D2, and Carryduff are struggling to stay up. To lose by 4 in Kilkeel is by any standards a good performance, as some visiting teams have gone down by double figure margins there to date.  Are you sure that it is fair to condemn Carryduff for keeping it tight in the circumstances ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 27, 2009, 01:14:25 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on June 26, 2009, 10:39:54 PM
What about Aghaderg v St Pauls?

Pld   W   D   L   Pts   TEAMS
12   9   2   1   20   Tullylish*
12   8   2   2   18   Drumgath*
12   8   0   4   16   Bredagh
11   8   0   3   16   Glenn
12   6   2   4   14   St Johns
12   4   4   4   12   Dundrum*
11   5   2   4   12   Ardglass
12   4   3   5   11   Saul
12   3   2   7   8   Teconnaght
12   3   0   9   6   Drumaness
11   2   1   8   5   St Pauls
11   1   0   10   2   Aghaderg


we play Monday night ITOB, a few of the Aghaderg players are taking part in the Lory Meagher (spl) hurling tournament tomorrow so the CB moved the match to then, with out asking if it suited us of course!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 27, 2009, 03:23:36 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 26, 2009, 09:19:35 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 26, 2009, 09:17:45 PM
Bridge 0.10 Point 0.9

Jesus that was close. Where yous many short?

Mickey Walsh, Benny Coulter,  Adrian Barry and Noel Sexton of our starting 15.. The point played really well and probably deserved something from it!!! If they play like that for the rest of the season they should pick up a few points along the way!!!
But we were dire tonight, our worst performance of the seson!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on June 27, 2009, 09:08:18 AM
Loughinisland 0-14  Saval 0-14

Good point for saval tonight considering Danny Hughes was injured and didn't play and Stephen Kearney only played last 10 minutes because of injury as well, injuries that were in fact picked up while on friendly duty with the County team. I think this is ridiculous, why star league games to prevent injuries then go and play a hard hitting team like meath. It is things like this that make you wonder if Ross and DJ have a brain between them.

Fergal McConville was in super form scoring 8 points. Defence played well throughout also with some hard but fair tackles going in thats 2 wins and 2 draws from last 5, things looking up hopefully.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 27, 2009, 09:50:34 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on June 27, 2009, 09:08:18 AM
Loughinisland 0-14  Saval 0-14

It is things like this that make you wonder if Ross and DJ have a brain between them.

That's harsh young McAvoy.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on June 27, 2009, 10:05:12 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 27, 2009, 09:50:34 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on June 27, 2009, 09:08:18 AM
Loughinisland 0-14  Saval 0-14

It is things like this that make you wonder if Ross and DJ have a brain between them.

That's harsh young McAvoy.  ;)


doubt i'm not the only one you would deem to be harsh considerin!!  8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 27, 2009, 01:30:23 PM
Anyone know when Castlewellan v Clonduff game postponed from last night will be played?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on June 27, 2009, 02:00:17 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 27, 2009, 01:30:23 PM
Anyone know when Castlewellan v Clonduff game postponed from last night will be played?

monday night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 27, 2009, 05:50:02 PM
Kilclief V Shamrocks down for Monday night is off.  The Shams won't play without Hugh Davey or Dee Rafferty.  You can be sure as f**k if the shoe was on the other foot the county board wouldn't accomodate us.   >:(

Best of luck to big Finty and the lads tomorrow, an Ulster title would set us up nicely for the Christy Ring final!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on June 27, 2009, 06:41:24 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on June 27, 2009, 02:00:17 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 27, 2009, 01:30:23 PM
Anyone know when Castlewellan v Clonduff game postponed from last night will be played?

monday night

No date yet- Monday didn't suit so it will probably be in August.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 27, 2009, 09:50:26 PM
Cant find a relevant thread lads but I'm surprised nobody has commented yet on the minors getting to the Ulster Final.

Didnt get but I believe it was a deadly performance...one R White from Ballyholland got 5 points from play...keep an eye out for this lad :o

Well done to Mark and all the lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on June 27, 2009, 11:00:56 PM
That Robbie White is a fantastic player, scored a sublime point with the outside of his boot and ran the show after the first 15 minutes. If this lad can keep playing like this he will be a real prospect at CHF for the senior team in years to come, he really is that good.
Down were leading by 2 points to one, having scored the opening two points of the game when a terrible error by the keeper saw a hopeful ball by a Donegal player drop into the net, the keeper was following a Donegal forward and the ball just dropped into the net. The Keeper had a bit of a nightmare after that with some poor distribution and a total lack of confidence, but he cane good(ish) in the second half. The goal gave Donegal a bit of belief and they had a 3 or 4 point lead at one stage, but Down fought back to lead by a point at half time 7 points to 1-03.
The inevitable Down goal came midway through the second half and Down led by 4 points, but Donegal pegged it back to leave a nervy finish with Down winning by 2 points, 1-10 to 1-08.
It was very hot today in Clones so it was a good performance they defended well at times in the second half and a 2 point lead is a dangerous one as we saw earlier this year in Portlaoise, I have seen better minor teams, but they are in an Ulster final so well done.

Edited to add €25 admission to watch a minor match is a bit steep. Granted we got to see most of the Antrim game, but is it any wonder the place was about a third full. The GAA need to catch themselves on. €25 to sit on an uncomfortable, rotted wooden bench is not good value for money.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 27, 2009, 11:11:45 PM
Wasnt at Clones today but have been at the previous two matchs the minors played in the championship this year as well as 2 league games and after getting off to a bit of a bad start in the league they have really found good form thus far. Couple of influential players indeed such as White, but the whole team seems to be pretty solid! MccGary works well in ff with bagnal and the other lad, while the wing half fowards are real hasslers! NcNamee although small is solid in full back and the chb ginger lad not sure of the name wins and distributes good ball to white and co! Hopefully the lads can progress out of ulster now after a bad few years since the AI win for the minors!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 27, 2009, 11:21:05 PM
Glad to be able to agree with Trevor for a change as this was a great result for Down minors. We are guarenteed an AI quarter final place and an Ulster title is by no means out of the question. White and McGarry are fine prospects up front but, unusually, we also have a decent full back line. The Donegal goal was disappointing, and our keeper should have been more decisive, but the replays showed he did not drop the ball and the opposing forward instead flicked it into the net. I don't think we are the same level as the 2005 team, but they did not actually win the Ulster title. These boys might.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on June 28, 2009, 11:44:30 AM
Didnt realise the Donegal forward got a touch on the ball, I was behind those goals so just saw a high ball coming in and the keeper following the defender and Donegal forward out past the square. If he had stayed on his line he would have been ok, he doesnt seem to make many calls, preferring to let the full back make decisions for him. Still it was good to get the win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 28, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
Im just wondering whether the barracking of county players in Division 1 from opposition fans is a regular occurrence?

On Friday night we played Tullylish and the abuse that Paul McComiskey got from the Tullylish supporters was unbeleivable. He was jeered and had obscentities shouted at him everytime he made a mistake. Then when a Tullylish defender took him out off the ball, the Lish support cheered more for this incident than they had all night when their team scored.

This verbal abuse has been going on all year and im just wondering whether it is part and parcel of our game? Im thinking it must be.

PS - Does anyone have the East Down fixtures for this week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on June 28, 2009, 03:42:08 PM
PRFC

Kilcoo      0.07
m'bridge   4.15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on June 28, 2009, 09:14:01 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on June 28, 2009, 03:42:08 PM
PRFC

Kilcoo      0.07
m'bridge   4.15

Were u at the game Gael? Wat happened there? Thought the seconds werent going too good recently!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 29, 2009, 12:27:07 AM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on June 28, 2009, 09:14:01 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on June 28, 2009, 03:42:08 PM
PRFC

Kilcoo      0.07
m'bridge   4.15

Were u at the game Gael? Wat happened there? Thought the seconds werent going too good recently!
:)
Title: He who is without sin
Post by: passedit on June 29, 2009, 09:35:36 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 28, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
Im just wondering whether the barracking of county players in Division 1 from opposition fans is a regular occurrence?

On Friday night we played Tullylish and the abuse that Paul McComiskey got from the Tullylish supporters was unbeleivable. He was jeered and had obscentities shouted at him everytime he made a mistake. Then when a Tullylish defender took him out off the ball, the Lish support cheered more for this incident than they had all night when their team scored.

This verbal abuse has been going on all year and im just wondering whether it is part and parcel of our game? Im thinking it must be.

PS - Does anyone have the East Down fixtures for this week?

Bit too precious there DF, I'd have thought that the opposition's support would always have it in for a teams highest profile player. Tullylish fans would be well aware of the abuse Wee James got both on and off the pitch. Goes with the territory i'm afraid.

I'm sure it was no worse than the abuse your 'supporters' dished out to the cricket players of holywood and i'm certain that none of them ran on and struck any player, as happened in a game involving your team recently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on June 29, 2009, 12:24:55 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 29, 2009, 09:35:36 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 28, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
Im just wondering whether the barracking of county players in Division 1 from opposition fans is a regular occurrence?

On Friday night we played Tullylish and the abuse that Paul McComiskey got from the Tullylish supporters was unbeleivable. He was jeered and had obscentities shouted at him everytime he made a mistake. Then when a Tullylish defender took him out off the ball, the Lish support cheered more for this incident than they had all night when their team scored.

This verbal abuse has been going on all year and im just wondering whether it is part and parcel of our game? Im thinking it must be.

PS - Does anyone have the East Down fixtures for this week?

Bit too precious there DF, I'd have thought that the opposition's support would always have it in for a teams highest profile player. Tullylish fans would be well aware of the abuse Wee James got both on and off the pitch. Goes with the territory i'm afraid.

I'm sure it was no worse than the abuse your 'supporters' dished out to the cricket players of holywood and i'm certain that none of them ran on and struck any player, as happened in a game involving your team recently.

was at the game. there was a bit of abuse dished out towards mccomiskey from the sidelines alright but as passedit says it seems to come with the territory. his performance left a good bit to be desired which is why i would think he was getting a bit of stick.

were you playing DF?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on June 29, 2009, 12:55:54 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 26, 2009, 10:02:32 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on June 26, 2009, 09:46:46 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 26, 2009, 09:06:18 PM
Division one Result

Bryansford 1-11 Burren 0-11

Thats a big result for the ford was talking to one of there management and he told me because of holidays and various things that they would be severly weakened this week.. obviously not!!

They where minus Luke Howard, Brian King and Pete Travers. Joe Ireland came on in second half.



Plus another couple and the 4 minors - Howard is out for the season, he had surgery last week on his cartilage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on June 29, 2009, 01:35:51 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 28, 2009, 01:32:00 PM


PS - Does anyone have the East Down fixtures for this week?

East Down GAA Fixtures
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 18 League         
Date  Tuesday  30th  June Time 7.30pm         
U-18 Football League Section "A" 2009         
   Round.Eleven         
   St. Mary's   v   Carryduff   P Brannigan
   Bryansford   v   Bredagh   D Laverty
   Castlewellan   v   Kilcoo   E O' Hare
U-18 Football League Section "B" 2009         
   Round Eleven         
   Ardglass   v   Cill Darrach   G Tumelty
   St. Joseph's   v   Teconnaught   G Brannigan
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 16 League         
Date  Wednesday 1st July  June Time 7.30pm      
U-16 Football League Section "A" 2009   
   Round Ten         
   Downpatrick   v   Bredagh   P Brannigan
   St. John's   v   St. Mary's   D Laverty
   Carryduff   v   Loughinisland   E Mulvenna
   Kilcoo   v   Bryansford   P Mc Cartan
   Castlewellan   v   Saul   G Brannigan
   St. Paul's   v   Cill Darach   E O' Hare
Section B            
   Round Ten         
   Drumaness   v   Cill Breactain   J Mc Mullan
   St Joseph's   v   Bredagh   G Corrigan
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 12 League         
Date  Wednesday 1st July  June Time 7.30pm      
U-12 Football League Section "A" 2009   
   Bredagh   v   Kilcoo   M Davey
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Date  Thursday  2nd July   Time 7.30pm         
U-14 Football League Section "A" 2009   
   Round.Ten         
   Kilcoo   v   Bryansford   G Tumelty
   Castlewellan   v   Bredagh   M Rawlinston
U-14 Football League Section "B1" 2009         
   Round Twelve         
   Downpatrick   v   St Joseph's   A Sharvin
   Bredagh   v   Cill Breactain   J Mc Mullan
U-14 Football League Section "B2" 2009         
   Round Twelve         
   Liatroim   v   St. John's   P McCartan
   Dromara   v   St. Paul's   M Brady
   Drumaness   v   Teconnaught   L Morgan
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 12 League         
Date Sunday 5th July  Time 12.30pm         
U-12 Football League Section "A" 2009   
   Downpatrick   v   Carryduff   A Shavin
U-12 Football League Section "B" 2009   
   Round Twelve         
   Castlewellan   v   Ardglass   M Brady
   Carryduff   v   Liatroim   F Holland
   Dromara   v   Saul   J Mc Mullan
   Loughinisland   v   Cill Darach   G Burns
U-12 Football League Section "C" 2009   
   Round Twelve          
   St. Paul's   v   Kilclief    E Mulvenna
   Drumaness   v   Bredagh   N Mc Donald
   St. Joseph's   v   Teconnaught   M McAnulty

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Section A1            
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   Castlewellan   v   Teconnaught   M Rawlinson
   Bryansford   v   Liatroim   G Corrigan
   Dundrum   v   Kilcoo   G Tumelty
   Drumaness   v   St. John's   P Brannigan
Section A2            
   Round.Eleven         
   Bredagh   v   Ardglass   O Burke
   Bright   v   St. Paul's   M Brady
   Darragh Cross   v   Kilclief   G Brannigan
   Saul   v   Carryduff   P McCartan
            
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Date  Tuesday  7th  July Time 7.30pm         
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   Round Twelve          
   Bryansford   v   St. Mary's   P McCartan
   Castlewellan   v   Loughinisland   D Laverty
   Downpatrick   v   Bredagh   E O' Hare
   Carryduff   v   Kilcoo   G Corrigan
U-18 Football League Section "B" 2009         
   Round Twelve         
   St, John's      Drumaness   S McGreevy
   Cill Darrach      Teconnaught   G Tumelty




Don't think some of these minor fixtures for July 7th will be on due to Minor Championship on the same night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on June 29, 2009, 01:40:12 PM
Down Fixtures

Tues 30th June (7 30)
ACFL Div 1
Mayobridge v Kilcoo(B Rice)

Wed 1st July (7 30)
ACHL Div 1
Ballygalget v Kilclief(H Torney),
Ballela v Shamrocks(D Magee),
Liatroim v Warrenpoint(N Morgan),
Bredagh v Ballycran(S Mc Greevy)

ACHL Div 2
Ballycran v Castlewellan(L Quinn),
Warrenpoint v Portaferry(B Cousins),
Carryduff v Clonduff(E Mulvenna),
Ballyvarley v Ballygalget(K Mc Guinness)

Fri 3rd July (7 30)
ACFL Div 1
Saval v Castlewellan(A Grant),
Clonduff v Loughinisland(S O Hanlon),
Burren v Liatroim(G Brannigan),
Longstone v Bryansford(D Laverty),
Rostrevor v Warrenpoint(D Brogan)

ACFL Div 2
Darragh Cross v Kilclief(E O Hare),
Atticall v Annaclone(P Brannigan),
Downpatrick v Ballymartin(O Burke),
Ballyholland v An Riocht(N Morgan),
Carryduff v Glasdrumman(E Mc Elroy)

ACFL Div 3
Ardglass v Tullylish(C Reynolds),
Dundrum v Bredagh(P Mc Clorey),
St Pauls v Saul(E Mulvenna),
Aghaderg v Drumaness(D Moore),
St Johns v Teconnaught(C Brannigan),
Glenn v Drumgath(B Andrews)

ACFL Div 4
Bright v Aughlisnafinn(J Mc Mullan),
Mitchels v St Micheals(D Carr)
St John Bosco v Ballykinlar(D Kearns)

Sun 5th July (2 00)
ACPRL Div 1
Castlewellan v Kilcoo,
Liatroim v Burren,
An Riocht v Mayobridge,
Ballymartin v Bryansford,
Clonduff v Rostrevor

ACPRL Div 2
Saval v Longstone,
Annaclone v Ballyholland,
Bredagh v Downpatrick,
Tullylish v Warrenpoint,
Loughinisland v Carryduff

ACFL Div 2 (6 00)
Shamrocks v Clann na Banna(M Devlin)
Title: Re: He who is without sin
Post by: DownFanatic on June 29, 2009, 02:59:32 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 29, 2009, 09:35:36 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 28, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
Im just wondering whether the barracking of county players in Division 1 from opposition fans is a regular occurrence?

On Friday night we played Tullylish and the abuse that Paul McComiskey got from the Tullylish supporters was unbeleivable. He was jeered and had obscentities shouted at him everytime he made a mistake. Then when a Tullylish defender took him out off the ball, the Lish support cheered more for this incident than they had all night when their team scored.

This verbal abuse has been going on all year and im just wondering whether it is part and parcel of our game? Im thinking it must be.

PS - Does anyone have the East Down fixtures for this week?

Bit too precious there DF, I'd have thought that the opposition's support would always have it in for a teams highest profile player. Tullylish fans would be well aware of the abuse Wee James got both on and off the pitch. Goes with the territory i'm afraid.

I'm sure it was no worse than the abuse your 'supporters' dished out to the cricket players of holywood and i'm certain that none of them ran on and struck any player, as happened in a game involving your team recently.

Enlighten me to the above 'striking' incident. Im not aware of an incident of this sort which has involved us this year.

Quote from: behind the wire on June 29, 2009, 12:24:55 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 29, 2009, 09:35:36 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 28, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
Im just wondering whether the barracking of county players in Division 1 from opposition fans is a regular occurrence?

On Friday night we played Tullylish and the abuse that Paul McComiskey got from the Tullylish supporters was unbeleivable. He was jeered and had obscentities shouted at him everytime he made a mistake. Then when a Tullylish defender took him out off the ball, the Lish support cheered more for this incident than they had all night when their team scored.

This verbal abuse has been going on all year and im just wondering whether it is part and parcel of our game? Im thinking it must be.

PS - Does anyone have the East Down fixtures for this week?

Bit too precious there DF, I'd have thought that the opposition's support would always have it in for a teams highest profile player. Tullylish fans would be well aware of the abuse Wee James got both on and off the pitch. Goes with the territory i'm afraid.

I'm sure it was no worse than the abuse your 'supporters' dished out to the cricket players of holywood and i'm certain that none of them ran on and struck any player, as happened in a game involving your team recently.

was at the game. there was a bit of abuse dished out towards mccomiskey from the sidelines alright but as passedit says it seems to come with the territory. his performance left a good bit to be desired which is why i would think he was getting a bit of stick.

were you playing DF?

I was waiting in the wings but the call never came  ;)
Title: Re: He who is without sin
Post by: stpauls on June 29, 2009, 03:23:01 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 29, 2009, 02:59:32 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 29, 2009, 09:35:36 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 28, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
Im just wondering whether the barracking of county players in Division 1 from opposition fans is a regular occurrence?

On Friday night we played Tullylish and the abuse that Paul McComiskey got from the Tullylish supporters was unbeleivable. He was jeered and had obscentities shouted at him everytime he made a mistake. Then when a Tullylish defender took him out off the ball, the Lish support cheered more for this incident than they had all night when their team scored.

This verbal abuse has been going on all year and im just wondering whether it is part and parcel of our game? Im thinking it must be.

PS - Does anyone have the East Down fixtures for this week?

Bit too precious there DF, I'd have thought that the opposition's support would always have it in for a teams highest profile player. Tullylish fans would be well aware of the abuse Wee James got both on and off the pitch. Goes with the territory i'm afraid.

I'm sure it was no worse than the abuse your 'supporters' dished out to the cricket players of holywood and i'm certain that none of them ran on and struck any player, as happened in a game involving your team recently.

Enlighten me to the above 'striking' incident. Im not aware of an incident of this sort which has involved us this year.
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DF, i think he is refering to the incident in our game this year, where one of your players/supporters (he wasn't togged out so therefore should not have been on the sideline) came on to the pitch and threw a punch at our full back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on June 29, 2009, 09:54:58 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on June 28, 2009, 09:14:01 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on June 28, 2009, 03:42:08 PM
PRFC

Kilcoo      0.07
m'bridge   4.15

Were u at the game Gael? Wat happened there? Thought the seconds werent going too good recently!

Bridge could do no wrong. Everyone played well. Everything just seemed to go for the them. Conleth got 2.6 on his own i think. MoM for sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on June 29, 2009, 10:45:07 PM
st pauls beat ahaderg by 2 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on June 29, 2009, 11:51:26 PM
Reserve Championship

Clonduff III 2.03 Glenn II 4.19
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 30, 2009, 09:03:19 AM
I was at an u16 game in tullylish last week, and again the abuse the referee took from their sidelines was shocking.

seriously someone wants to have a word from within the club because it was embarassing; tullylish now seem to have this reputation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 30, 2009, 11:05:14 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on June 30, 2009, 09:03:19 AM
I was at an u16 game in tullylish last week, and again the abuse the referee took from their sidelines was shocking.

seriously someone wants to have a word from within the club because it was embarassing; tullylish now seem to have this reputation

On the say so of two anonymous internet posters?

Tell me this, is it all tea and buns for referees down Ballyholland way?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on June 30, 2009, 11:20:33 AM
the league tables for east down on the official website are a joke, some leagues are nearly over and there are teams shown up to have played 3 matches
the under-12 league has a total of 3 results in for the whole season

i hear refs aren't sending in their results, are they too tight to pay for a stamp now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on June 30, 2009, 03:52:01 PM
latest Div 3 table after last nights result:

Team   Played   Won   Drew   Lost   GF   PF   GA   PA   Diff   Pts
Tullylish   12   9   2   1   9   141   10   113   25   20
Drumgath   12   8   2   2   11   123   8   102   30   18
Glenn   11   8   0   3   12   124   6   94   48   16
Bredagh   12   8   0   4   21   112   11   104   38   16
St. John's   12   6   2   4   13   106   13   112   -6   14
Ardglass   11   5   2   4   16   130   14   105   31   12
Dundrum   12   4   4   4   9   129   11   119   4   12
Saul   12   4   3   5   15   101   16   114   -16   11
Tec'aught   12   3   2   7   7   100   8   111   -14   8
St. Paul's   12   3   1   8   8   96   14   138   -60   7
Drumaness   12   3   0   9   13   108   15   123   -21   6
Aghaderg   12   1   0   11   6   90   14   136   -70   2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 30, 2009, 06:53:01 PM
Quote from: maldini on June 30, 2009, 11:20:33 AM
the league tables for east down on the official website are a joke, some leagues are nearly over and there are teams shown up to have played 3 matches
the under-12 league has a total of 3 results in for the whole season

i hear refs aren't sending in their results, are they too tight to pay for a stamp now?

thought it was all done by text message. As requested by the CC all the clubs were asked to gathered all the results form minor down and send them in, that was about three weeks ago and nada, no updates on the leagues. the East Down u 16 league is nearing completion of the first phase where the top four go in against the to 4 in South, and nobody seems to know what league position everyone is. sad really
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 30, 2009, 09:06:29 PM
Div one played tonigiht

Half time
Mayobridge 2.7 Kilcoo 0.4

Full time
Mayobridge 3.11  Kilcoo 0.12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 30, 2009, 11:49:13 PM
Quote from: umpire on June 30, 2009, 09:06:29 PM
Div one played tonigiht

Half time
Mayobridge 2.7 Kilcoo 0.4

Full time
Mayobridge 3.11  Kilcoo 0.12


A great two points for us tonight, both teams were missing a lot of first team players but our younger players played really well tonight and some of our more experienced campaigners will be looking over their shoulders now :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 01, 2009, 09:06:07 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 30, 2009, 11:49:13 PM
Quote from: umpire on June 30, 2009, 09:06:29 PM
Div one played tonigiht

Half time
Mayobridge 2.7 Kilcoo 0.4

Full time
Mayobridge 3.11  Kilcoo 0.12


A great two points for us tonight, both teams were missing a lot of first team players but our younger players played really well tonight and some of our more experienced campaigners will be looking over their shoulders now :)

Was very impressed with many off your younger players last night. Thought Woods, Gavin Barry and Cathal Magee where also very good. Kilcoo where dire, worst performance off the season and in many seasons. Id say both teams where minus 8 off their top players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 01, 2009, 09:58:46 AM
We started without seamus grant, conor garvey, john caldwell, noel and ronan sexton, benny coulter,Pluggy,  mickey walsh and Kieran O'Hare.. Nine of last years winner winning team played at some stage which is heartening.. i thought Kilcoo were missing the usual bite you would expect from them!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 01, 2009, 10:16:16 AM
Is Coulter fit for Sunday or what's the story? Shouldn't be relying on him for this sort of match but just wondering if he's ok?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on July 01, 2009, 10:28:40 AM
Report on the Mayobridge v Kilcoo game from hoganstand.

Mayobridge 3-11
Kilcoo 0-12

With both teams missing many regular players it was an opportunity for both management teams to try out some new blood and it was the new faces on the Mayobridge side which came out top in an entertaining game played in excellent conditions in Mayobridge.  From a Mayobridge point of view the first quarter of the game was the Cathal Magee show with the big full forward contributing 2-3 in the opening 17 minutes.  The first goal came when Magee was able to beat Kilcoo keeper James Kane to a ball in the square and flick it to the net, the second came from the penalty spot after Darren Fegan was pulled down when going  through on goal.  Magee s other three scores came from two well hit 50 s and a pointed free.  Kilcoo had two points in a minute from Down U21 player Paul Devlin.  An excellent long range point from Emmett Devlin closed the gap momentarily in the 21st minute but Mayobridge replied quickly with points from John Quinn and Ryan Brady.  Barry Kane scored a nice Kilcoo point on 25 minutes but John Quinn came back with two well taken points for the home side to leave the half time score Mayobridge 2-7 Kilcoo 0-4

John Quinn continued where he left off in the first half scoring a point just after the break but Sean O Hanlon was able to reply immediately for Kilcoo.  Another Cathal Magee point was followed by a Gavin Barry goal, the corner back came out of defence and played a number of passes the length of the field and when Cathal Magee fed him back the ball he made no mistake in finding the Kilcoo net.  With just 6 minutes gone in the second half Mayobridge were now 13 points to the good but to Kilcoo s credit they battled back into the game and it was to be another 24 minutes before Mayobridge were to register another score.  In this period Kilcoo went on to score 6 unanswered points with their scores coming from the excellent Paul Devlin (3), Sean Devlin (1) and Barry Kane (2).  This period of Kilcoo dominance did not however produce enough scores to threaten the Mayobridge lead and the game ended with two more Cathal Magee points in injury time to a single point in reply from Paul Devlin for Kilcoo.

Kilcoo s most effective performers on a disappointing night for the them were Paul Greenan, Domnic McEvoy and Paul Devlin.  For the Bridge Gavin Barry was back to his best after coming back from injury, Micheal Lively and Shane O Hare were very effective at wing back.  Conleth O Hare and John Quinn were also impressive but star man was Cathal Magee who ended the game with a very impressive tally of 2-6. 

Mayobridge Team & Scorers: Liam Coulter, Gavin Barry (1-0), Brendan Grant, Caolan Lynchaoun, Shane O Hare, Ronan Lively, Micheal Lively, Darren Fegan, Eoghan Woods, Ciaran Bradley, John Quinn (0-4), Conleth O Hare, Ryan Brady (0-1), Cathal Magee (2-6), Caolan Gallagher.
Subs Used: Shane McNamee for Ronan Lively, Kevin McClorey for Caolan Lynchaoun, Michael Butterfield for Caolan Gallagher

Kilcoo Team & Scorers: James Kane, Dermot McLaughlin, Sean O Hanlon (0-1), Sean Devlin (0-1), Gerard McEvoy, Aidan Brannigan, Brian O Hanlon, Cathal Morgan, Paul Greenan, Emmett Devlin (0-1), Niall Morgan, Barry Kane (0-3), Jerome Johnston, Domnic McEvoy, Paul Devlin (0-6).

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 01, 2009, 10:33:51 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 01, 2009, 09:58:46 AM
We started without seamus grant, conor garvey, john caldwell, noel and ronan sexton, benny coulter, mickey walsh and Kieran O'Hare.. Nine of last years winner winning team played at some stage which is heartening.. i thought Kilcoo were missing the usual bite you would expect from them!!!!

Yeah big time. Kilcoo where very flat. Missing 3 first choice midfielders in Marty McClean, Phelim McGreevy and Paul Greenan was a major blow. Nial McEvoy is a big loss at the back while Conor Laverty and Gary McEvoy leave the attack depleted. Anthony Devlin looked in fine form when introduced only for his injury curse this season coming back to haunt him after ten mins which resulted in him having to be replaced. Good to see Nial Brannigan and Conor Morgan get a run out after long lay offs though. One off the only positives. Having a minor game on same night also left the bench weak as five panelists who where getting run outs recently missed the chance to play against the countys best team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 01, 2009, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 01, 2009, 10:28:40 AM
Report on the Mayobridge v Kilcoo game from hoganstand.

Mayobridge 3-11
Kilcoo 0-12

With both teams missing many regular players it was an opportunity for both management teams to try out some new blood and it was the new faces on the Mayobridge side which came out top in an entertaining game played in excellent conditions in Mayobridge.  From a Mayobridge point of view the first quarter of the game was the Cathal Magee show with the big full forward contributing 2-3 in the opening 17 minutes.  The first goal came when Magee was able to beat Kilcoo keeper James Kane to a ball in the square and flick it to the net, the second came from the penalty spot after Darren Fegan was pulled down when going  through on goal.  Magee s other three scores came from two well hit 50 s and a pointed free.  Kilcoo had two points in a minute from Down U21 player Paul Devlin.  An excellent long range point from Emmett Devlin closed the gap momentarily in the 21st minute but Mayobridge replied quickly with points from John Quinn and Ryan Brady.  Barry Kane scored a nice Kilcoo point on 25 minutes but John Quinn came back with two well taken points for the home side to leave the half time score Mayobridge 2-7 Kilcoo 0-4

John Quinn continued where he left off in the first half scoring a point just after the break but Sean O Hanlon was able to reply immediately for Kilcoo.  Another Cathal Magee point was followed by a Gavin Barry goal, the corner back came out of defence and played a number of passes the length of the field and when Cathal Magee fed him back the ball he made no mistake in finding the Kilcoo net.  With just 6 minutes gone in the second half Mayobridge were now 13 points to the good but to Kilcoo s credit they battled back into the game and it was to be another 24 minutes before Mayobridge were to register another score.  In this period Kilcoo went on to score 6 unanswered points with their scores coming from the excellent Paul Devlin (3), Sean Devlin (1) and Barry Kane (2).  This period of Kilcoo dominance did not however produce enough scores to threaten the Mayobridge lead and the game ended with two more Cathal Magee points in injury time to a single point in reply from Paul Devlin for Kilcoo.

Kilcoo s most effective performers on a disappointing night for the them were Paul Greenan, Domnic McEvoy and Paul Devlin.  For the Bridge Gavin Barry was back to his best after coming back from injury, Micheal Lively and Shane O Hare were very effective at wing back.  Conleth O Hare and John Quinn were also impressive but star man was Cathal Magee who ended the game with a very impressive tally of 2-6. 

Mayobridge Team & Scorers: Liam Coulter, Gavin Barry (1-0), Brendan Grant, Caolan Lynchaoun, Shane O Hare, Ronan Lively, Micheal Lively, Darren Fegan, Eoghan Woods, Ciaran Bradley, John Quinn (0-4), Conleth O Hare, Ryan Brady (0-1), Cathal Magee (2-6), Caolan Gallagher.
Subs Used: Shane McNamee for Ronan Lively, Kevin McClorey for Caolan Lynchaoun, Michael Butterfield for Caolan Gallagher

Kilcoo Team & Scorers: James Kane, Dermot McLaughlin, Sean O Hanlon (0-1), Sean Devlin (0-1), Gerard McEvoy, Aidan Brannigan, Brian O Hanlon, Cathal Morgan, Paul Greenan, Emmett Devlin (0-1), Niall Morgan, Barry Kane (0-3), Jerome Johnston, Domnic McEvoy, Paul Devlin (0-6).



Jerome Johnston and Paul Greenan where not even at the game. Sean Devlin and Donal Kane where in their places. It was one off Paul devlins quieter games. Sean OHanlon was Kilcoos best player by some distance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on July 01, 2009, 10:39:53 AM
Dont shoot the messenger MDG, blame HS.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 01, 2009, 10:41:59 AM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 01, 2009, 10:39:53 AM
Dont shoot the messenger MDG, blame HS.

To be fair think they just listed programme team. Have to say the bridge deserve great credit fot the match programmes they produce. Outstanding quality.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on July 01, 2009, 10:44:20 AM
The Bridge do seem to be that wee bit ahead of everyone, both on and off the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 01, 2009, 11:00:25 AM
Is mallon responsbile for the programmes at the bridge matches? He puts in some amount of PR work for his club. If there was someone like that in all the clubs, Down Gaa would be some set up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on July 01, 2009, 11:07:42 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 01, 2009, 11:00:25 AM
Is mallon responsbile for the programmes at the bridge matches? He puts in some amount of PR work for his club. If there was someone like that in all the clubs, Down Gaa would be some set up!

Pity we didnt have someone like him at county level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 01, 2009, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 01, 2009, 11:00:25 AM
Is mallon responsbile for the programmes at the bridge matches? He puts in some amount of PR work for his club. If there was someone like that in all the clubs, Down Gaa would be some set up!

Aidan Mallon and Paul Rooney are the mainmen behind the programme and website!!!! A new inclusion to the website.. 1994 south Down U16final highlights between the Bridge and Clonduff.. Mallon had a sweet left foot ;) ;)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lusDiu97VI&feature=channel_page
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 01, 2009, 11:53:39 AM
Geat balance as well... :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Overthebar! on July 01, 2009, 12:49:27 PM
surely you could do that for rostrevor supersub?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on July 01, 2009, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on July 01, 2009, 11:07:42 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 01, 2009, 11:00:25 AM
Is mallon responsbile for the programmes at the bridge matches? He puts in some amount of PR work for his club. If there was someone like that in all the clubs, Down Gaa would be some set up!

Pity we didnt have someone like him at county level.

Is this the same A Malon who has been appointed PRO by Club Down and is already making his mark there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 01, 2009, 01:47:59 PM
Quote from: Overthebar! on July 01, 2009, 12:49:27 PM
surely you could do that for rostrevor supersub?

ah I could but time is precious you see otb!! Enough involvment with the game/club as it is  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 01, 2009, 03:08:12 PM
Supersub
Rostrevor have biggest membership in Down and they dont have any programmes for home matches.

T O'Hare
Adrain Barry is missing last night as well as those as you mentioned,
Yep , its hard to get a place on Bridge team at the moment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 01, 2009, 04:08:19 PM
Quote from: umpire on July 01, 2009, 03:08:12 PM
Supersub
Rostrevor have biggest membership in Down and they dont have any programmes for home matches.

T O'Hare
Adrain Barry is missing last night as well as those as you mentioned,
Yep , its hard to get a place on Bridge team at the moment

i edited it earlier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 01, 2009, 04:22:12 PM
Quote from: umpire on July 01, 2009, 03:08:12 PM
Supersub
Rostrevor have biggest membership in Down and they dont have any programmes for home matches.

T O'Hare
Adrain Barry is missing last night as well as those as you mentioned,
Yep , its hard to get a place on Bridge team at the moment

I know we don't, thats what I am saying - it should be done!!

Ps 10,000th reply on the thread well done umpire  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 01, 2009, 05:02:09 PM
T O'Hare

My apologies
You did indeed menioned Pluggy Barry.
What happen to other great players Brendan Rooney, Brendan Rodgers and Darragh Tighe

Congratulation to Bridge seconds on winning in Kilcoo. i thought that Kilcoo was the hottest favourite to win this year PRFC!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 01, 2009, 05:07:36 PM
Quote from: umpire on July 01, 2009, 05:02:09 PM
T O'Hare

My apologies
You did indeed menioned Pluggy Barry.
What happen to other great players Brendan Rooney, Brendan Rodgers and Darragh Tighe

Congratulation to Bridge seconds on winning in Kilcoo. i thought that Kilcoo was the hottest favourite to win this year PRFC!!

Brendan Rooney is travelling down under, hewill be home in a few weeks while Brendan Rodgers and Darragh Tighe could not commit due to their jobs!!!!!!

It was some win, Kilcoo have been coasting in the league but we seemd to hit form at the right time!!!! We found a new player in this past few weeks and he has helped us a lot!!!!! He is extremley quick and can score from anywhere... some young lad called Linden :D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 01, 2009, 05:18:11 PM
That was my inaccurate report which came from hoganstand.  The reason there are so many incorrect players on the Kilcoo side is because Kilcoo gave a dud team for the match program which is fair enough but when asked if there were any changes just before the game started we were told they were playing as per program.  We announced over the PA that Kilcoo would line out as per program only to notice they had made a pile of changes a few minutes into the game.  What they think they gained by doing this apart from making our PA and myself look stupid its hard to know.

This is one of the items we ran in last nights program.

Mid Term Report – Down Senior Football Division 1

Mayobridge – Grade B
Mayobridge have ground out some decent results with hard work rather than the flair associated with 'Bridge teams of previous years.  The Championship examination is still quite some time away so there is plenty of time for extra revision.

Bryansford – Grade A*
How Bryansford got themselves relegated to Division two at the end of the season before last is an absolute mystery to Down football people.  However the stint in Division 2 didn't do the 'Ford any harm as the time away seems to have focused minds and they are playing some excellent football and sitting nicely in second place.  With Pete McGrath in charge one can be guaranteed that they will go into the championship well prepared and will be a difficult proposition for most teams.

Castlewellan – Grade A
Castlewellan can be happy with their first terms work which see's them sitting in third position two points behind rivals Bryansford with a game in hand.  The pick of Castlewellan's results have been impressive wins against Mayobridge at home and an away win in Burren.  The lows have been defeats against Bryansford and Rostrevor early in the season.

Longstone – Grade D
Longstone are still trying to recover their 2007 form and have been shaky enough this season.  Down so badly need Ambrose Rodgers back to his best and this is even more so true for Longstone.  Ambrose was the driving force behind the Stone reaching the 2007 county final and without him they are a shadow of themselves.  Thankfully Ambrose is making progress and all Down Gaels will be wishing him all the best on his road to recovery.  The pick of Longstone's results this season would be their recent away win in Burren, the lows would have been home defeats to Mayobridge and Kilcoo.

Kilcoo – Grade C
Kilcoo seemed to suffer a miss-fire early in the season loosing their first two games against Rostrevor and Mayobridge, by their third game they had their game heads on and went to the Stone and got a good win.  Good wins over Saval and Clonduff followed before they narrowly lost a high scoring game against Bryansford.  Returning to winning ways Burren, Loughinisland  and Liatroim were accounted for.  A severely depleted Kilcoo team then could only manage a draw with Warrenpoint then lost against Castlewellan before recovering against Rostrevor.  Injuries and suspensions have taken their toll but Kilcoo are still on course for a top four place and if they can get more of their established players back for the money part of the season they won't be far away.

Liatroim – Grade B+
Liatroim get a B+ not so much for achievement but for improvement instead.  At the start of this season many would have thought they were relegation contenders but Liatroim are a different prospect this season.  They are no longer the push over physically they were in previous years have much more bite about them.  A draw in Burren in round one opened some eyes but this was put down to rustiness on Burren's part, Liatroim dispelled this myth when they went on to beat Clonduff and Rostrevor before pushing Mayobridge all the way only ending up loosing the game by the smallest of margins.  Relegation dodgers Saval, Loughinsland and Warrenpoint were all well beaten.  Kilcoo proved too strong for them but they bounced back to beat Castlewellan before loosing to Bryansford.  

Burren – Grade D+
I expected much more of Burren this season than for them to sitting in the bottom half of the table.  Burren have the ability but have failed to produce it on too many occasions this season.  Defeats against Castlewellan, Kilcoo, Longstone and Bryansford have really dented their season.  Draws against Liatroim, Mayobridge and Saval haven't helped their league position either.  Burren certainly will be championship contenders no matter what their league position suggests and no one will fancy drawing them.

Rostrevor – Grade D-
When John Rafferty went to Rostrevor many thought this would be the missing link that would see the reds deliver on the undoubted potential which exists within the club.  Their early season form suggested this was the case when they won their first two games quite convincingly.   However question marks arose when Rostrevor were four points worse than Liatroim, these question marks grew bigger when they were hammered by Burren, beaten by Saval , well beaten by the Bridge, stuffed by Clonduff and recently beaten by Kilcoo.  There is a lot of work to do in Rostrevor before the championship deadline.

Saval – Grade C
Saval get this C grade for endeavour.  They have lost six games but some of those losses have been by very narrow margins.   Saval have beaten the three teams below them in the league table but if they are to get out of the relegation they must start taking points from the teams directly above them.  The highs of their season would be the draw with Burren and the beating of Rostrevor.  Their most recent result a draw against Loughinisland doesn't do much to help them in their relegation predicament.

Clonduff – Grade F
Clonduff are in BIG trouble.  With 3 teams going down this season being in the bottom 4 is not a nice place to be.  There were some signs for optimism in their last game when they had a 6 point win over Rostrevor.  Clonduff are currently 7 points behind 5th from bottom Rostrevor and closing that gap to escape the bottom four is a big challenge but not impossible.  Bryansford showed two seasons ago that no club is too big to get relegated, Clonduff need to take note and quick.

Loughinisland – Grade F-
Playing without talisman Dan Gordon for most of the first half of the league one would have expected last years county finalists to be a bit less competitive but one couldn't have foreseen the complete collapse that has materialised.  Escaping the bottom four is looking very unrealistic for the 'Island and all they can hope for at this stage is to avoid automatic relegation and to struggle through the play offs to maintain their division 1 status.

Warrenpoint – Grade F
The Point have an awful lot to do if their stay in Down's top flight is to be anything more than a flying visit.  With the bottom team facing automatic relegation Warrenpoint will at want to grab  themselves a playoff spot and a chance to play their way out of trouble.  With Clonduff, Loughinisland and Saval looking likely to be making up the bottom four getting through the playoffs would be a massive ask for the Point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 01, 2009, 05:40:40 PM
Great feature to have A Mallon, Well Done! If I was to pick at it and go on the defensive I would say I think the 'stone deserve better than a D, I would suggest C+ ;), satisfactory enough but could do better! Granted that we only have Ambrose back playing the last few games, but we were also missing Barry Doran who is a key player for a number of games.  We're sitting in 4th place with a better score difference than Kilcoo, after beating Liatroim away last friday night, but that wouldn't be taken into account as it is in the 2nd half of the league programme I see.   There is a great chance to improve on this grade over the next number of weeks, and perhaps we are getting a decent run at just the right time!  Bryansford will be a big test friday night we need to get up to a B like Mayobridge ;D ;D ;D  Only messin around, seriously good feature well done!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 01, 2009, 07:24:43 PM
Very good report A Mallon. Kilcoo had two changes in personnel to that named in the programme so it was not a complete dud team. I agree the changes should have been passed to yous even though the replacements wore their programme numbers. Jim McCorry must have been trying a Ross Carr stunt last night in withholding information. Great programme produced which you and others deserve great credit for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 01, 2009, 07:51:45 PM
A.Mallon

Enjoyed your details above.

I would say that if the Bridge were to lose the Championship this year, its will be the Ford to take it.
So many outstanding players all coming good for Ford at the moment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on July 01, 2009, 08:45:52 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballela W/O Newry Shamrocks D/F

Any other results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 02, 2009, 08:55:20 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on July 01, 2009, 08:45:52 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballela W/O Newry Shamrocks D/F

Any other results?

Our lads beat Kilclief by 6 in a fairly decent game last night, they were minus Finty who'd be a big loss for them but Rosie (Kerr, I think!) was hurling well for them and put over a few nice scores until our mangement belatedly decided to move Seamy Roddy onto him and that curtailed him a bit but he was still dangerous.

Did Rosie never both the juniors? It's a pity as he'd be well worth a shout at the senior panel also.

Final score 2-16 to 1-13.


What's happened the shamrocks? They have started calling off games recently!! I suppose they didn't want to travel to that intimidating ground of yours whitehair!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 02, 2009, 09:22:58 AM
Div 1
Bredagh 0-9 2-14 Ballycran

After 3 very poor performances in a week our lads actually played well in this game against a strong cran IIs.

Div 2
Ballycran 3-11 0-9 Castlewellan
Carryduff 1-5 2-6 Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 02, 2009, 09:42:26 AM
Good report A Mallon - dont big us up too much all we wanted was to stay in Div One this year and then try to kick on in 2010 anything else is a bonus..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 02, 2009, 11:31:45 AM
Did anyone else hear Danny + Jonny Hughes being interviewed on RTE  Radio 1 Sports news this morning around 8.40am?  Was good, only lasted a couple of minutes, they were both on the phone and discussing the prospect of playing against and possibly marking each other Saturday evening! Will be a great piece of history although I know it has happened before I don't think any brothers have ever marked each other! Also mentioned how Jonny Hughes had to go to London for a quantity surveying job as no work here, and that's why he's playing with London.  Danny mentiones that he's a big loss to the club too which is a concerning issue for GAA clubs throughout Ireland at the minute.  It ended on a funny lighter note however when Danny said that if they end up marking each other he would skin jonny....Jonny replied by saying his dad always says that Danny's a bit of an airhead and fancies himself a bit, great comeback :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 02, 2009, 11:39:33 AM
Anyone who wants to hear it ;

http://www.rte.ie/news/morningireland/player.html?20090702,2573020,2573020,real,209
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 02, 2009, 12:39:40 PM
Quote from: D4S on July 02, 2009, 11:31:45 AM
Did anyone else hear Danny + Jonny Hughes being interviewed on RTE  Radio 1 Sports news this morning around 8.40am?  Was good, only lasted a couple of minutes, they were both on the phone and discussing the prospect of playing against and possibly marking each other Saturday evening! Will be a great piece of history although I know it has happened before I don't think any brothers have ever marked each other! Also mentioned how Jonny Hughes had to go to London for a quantity surveying job as no work here, and that's why he's playing with London.  Danny mentiones that he's a big loss to the club too which is a concerning issue for GAA clubs throughout Ireland at the minute.  It ended on a funny lighter note however when Danny said that if they end up marking each other he would skin jonny....Jonny replied by saying his dad always says that Danny's a bit of an airhead and fancies himself a bit, great comeback :D

Very good ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on July 02, 2009, 01:11:09 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 02, 2009, 08:55:20 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on July 01, 2009, 08:45:52 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballela W/O Newry Shamrocks D/F

Any other results?

Our lads beat Kilclief by 6 in a fairly decent game last night, they were minus Finty who'd be a big loss for them but Rosie (Kerr, I think!) was hurling well for them and put over a few nice scores until our mangement belatedly decided to move Seamy Roddy onto him and that curtailed him a bit but he was still dangerous.

Did Rosie never both the juniors? It's a pity as he'd be well worth a shout at the senior panel also.

Final score 2-16 to 1-13.


What's happened the shamrocks? They have started calling off games recently!! I suppose they didn't want to travel to that intimidating ground of yours whitehair!  ;)

Ciaran Sloan(Rosie) was on the Juniors for a few years and played with them for part of last year but like some of the lads from our club he never stuck with it. Its disapointing the fellas who could play for the Juniors but never bother. They shot 17 wides in the second half of the Lory Meagher semi on Saturday there and went through four free takers. It would have made for an even better day in Croker playing on the bill with the Seniors had they won.

Aye Shamrocks mustn't have fancied playing us without Courtney and Artie Mc Guinness who was injured playing for the Juniors. Deccy Magee turned up to referee regardless of Newrys attempts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 02, 2009, 01:14:20 PM
Deccy won't like that. A phone call does cost much.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on July 02, 2009, 10:43:11 PM
Down Team for London game.

The following is the down team to take on london in pairc esler newry on saturday evening at 7pm

1. Brendan McVeigh
2. Ciaran McGovern
3. Kevin McKernan
4. Damian Rafferty
5. Timmy Hanna
6. Paul Murphy
7. Conor Garvey
8. Dan Gordan
9. Stephen Kearney
10. Daniel Hughes
11. Conor Maginn
12. Brendan McArdle
13. Brendan Coulter
14. Paul McCumiskey
15. John Boyle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on July 03, 2009, 09:29:37 AM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on July 02, 2009, 10:43:11 PM
Down Team for London game.

The following is the down team to take on london in pairc esler newry on saturday evening at 7pm

1. Brendan McVeigh
2. Ciaran McGovern
3. Kevin McKernan
4. Damian Rafferty
5. Timmy Hanna
6. Paul Murphy
7. Conor Garvey
8. Dan Gordan
9. Stephen Kearney
10. Daniel Hughes
11. Conor Maginn
12. Brendan McArdle
13. Brendan Coulter
14. Paul McCumiskey
15. John Boyle


no doubt the team that takes to the field will b a lot different to this as Carr seems to think this will really hoodwink rival managers. The London manager mite fall for the old trick.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 03, 2009, 09:36:59 AM
I think it is more just to get a team out to the press rather than to deceive other managers. Can't see how any manager would be taking notice of the others team selection given how its being announced and changed these days!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 03, 2009, 09:14:59 PM
Friday 03rd July 2009
O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Longstone  1-14 1-11 Bryansford  Longstone Round 13 
O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Darragh Cross  1-7 1-11 Kilclief  Darragh Cross Round 13 
O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
St Pauls  0-12 1-10 Saul  St Pauls Round 13 
Aghaderg  0-5 1-13 Drumaness  Aghaderg Round 13 
Glenn  2-13 2-6 Drumgath  Glenn Round 13 
O Neills Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Bright  1-9 0-4 Aughlisnafin  Bright Round 13 
St John Bosco  5-14 0-5 Ballykinlar  St John Bosco Round 13


and befor DF gets on and posts it

Dundrum 0-13 Bredagh 0-9, they do the double over us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 03, 2009, 09:19:55 PM
Rostrevor 0.15 Warrenpoint 2.6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 03, 2009, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 03, 2009, 09:14:59 PM
Friday 03rd July 2009
O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Longstone  1-14 1-11 Bryansford  Longstone Round 13 
O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Darragh Cross  1-7 1-11 Kilclief  Darragh Cross Round 13 
O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
St Pauls  0-12 1-10 Saul  St Pauls Round 13 
Aghaderg  0-5 1-13 Drumaness  Aghaderg Round 13 
Glenn  2-13 2-6 Drumgath  Glenn Round 13 
O Neills Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Bright  1-9 0-4 Aughlisnafin  Bright Round 13 
St John Bosco  5-14 0-5 Ballykinlar  St John Bosco Round 13


and befor DF gets on and posts it

Dundrum 0-13 Bredagh 0-9, they do the double over us
SB you at the game? Thats some quick work
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 03, 2009, 09:37:38 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 03, 2009, 09:14:59 PM
Friday 03rd July 2009
O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Longstone  1-14 1-11 Bryansford  Longstone Round 13 
O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Darragh Cross  1-7 1-11 Kilclief  Darragh Cross Round 13 
O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
St Pauls  0-12 1-10 Saul  St Pauls Round 13 
Aghaderg  0-5 1-13 Drumaness  Aghaderg Round 13 
Glenn  2-13 2-6 Drumgath  Glenn Round 13 
O Neills Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Bright  1-9 0-4 Aughlisnafin  Bright Round 13 
St John Bosco  5-14 0-5 Ballykinlar  St John Bosco Round 13


and befor DF gets on and posts it

Dundrum 0-13 Bredagh 0-9, they do the double over us

That was a sweet sweet win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 03, 2009, 09:38:28 PM
Nah, had to miss it due to babysitter problem but was in regular contact with the game, I believe we got it back to 2 at one stage with 10 to go?
Tullylish won by 14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 03, 2009, 09:42:24 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 03, 2009, 09:38:28 PM
Nah, had to miss it due to babysitter problem but was in regular contact with the game, I believe we got it back to 2 at one stage with 10 to go?
Tullylish won by 14

Aye, Dundrum led for the whole game. Scrappy got sent off at the start of the 2nd half. However, you's got it back to 2 but we finished strongly.

Ardglass will more than likely go to f**k now after that Tullylish defeat. Two of their main men are suspended for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 03, 2009, 10:34:49 PM
Friday 03rd July 2009

O Neills Down SFL Division 1

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Saval  2-8 1-10 Castlewellan  Saval Round 13 
Clonduff  2-15 0-13 Loughinisland  Clonduff Round 13 
Burren  2-9 0-6 Liatroim  Burren Round 13 
Longstone  1-14 1-11 Bryansford  Longstone Round 13 
Rostrevor  0-15 2-6 Warrenpoint  Rostrevor Round 13 


O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Darragh Cross  1-7 1-11 Kilclief  Darragh Cross Round 13 
Atticall  1-9 1-16 Annaclone  Atticall Round 13 
Downpatrick  2-11 0-11 Ballymartin  Downpatrick Round 13 
Ballyholland  3-7 0-11 An Riocht  Ballyholland Round 13 

O Neills Down SFL Division 3

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ardglass  1-7 5-9 Tullylish  Ardglass Round 13 
Dundrum  0-13 0-9 Bredagh  Dundrum Round 13 
St Pauls  0-12 1-10 Saul  St Pauls Round 13 
Aghaderg  0-5 1-13 Drumaness  Aghaderg Round 13 
St Johns  0-8 0-7 Teconnaught  St Johns Round 13 
Glenn  2-13 2-6 Drumgath  Glenn Round 13 

O Neills Down SFL Division 4

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Bright  1-9 0-4 Aughlisnafin  Bright Round 13 
Mitchels  3-17 2-10 St Michaels  Mitchels Round 13 
St John Bosco  5-14 0-5 Ballykinlar  St John Bosco Round 13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 03, 2009, 10:36:04 PM
Latest Div one Table Fri 3rd July
P   W   D     L   Pts     SD   Teams
13   10   2     1   22     45   Mayobridge
13     8   2     3   18     48   Bryansford
13     8   1     4   17     25   Longstone
12     8   0     4   16     26   Castlewellan
13     6   3     4   15     10   Burren
13     7   1     5   15      9   Kilcoo
13     7   0     6   14     -5   Rostrevor
13     6   1     6   13      5   Liatroim
13     5   2     6   12   -30   Saval
12     3   1     8     7   -10   Clonduff
13     1   1   11     3   -48   Loughinisland
13     0   2   11     2   -75   Warrenpoint
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 03, 2009, 11:15:31 PM
Lads writing a preview for the Bridge Loughinisland game. What has gone wrong with Loughinisland this year?  I know they were missing Dan Gordan for a good part of the league but there has to be a lot more going there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 03, 2009, 11:48:12 PM
Div 3

Pd    W    D     L      Pts
13   10   2   1   22   Tullylish*
13   8   2   3   18   Drumgath*
12   9   0   3   18   Glenn
13   8   0   5   16   Bredagh
13   7   2   4   16   St Johns
13   5   4   4   14   Dundrum*
13   5   3   5   13   Saul
12   5   2   5   12   Ardglass
13   3   2   8   8   Teconnaght
13   4   0   9   8   Drumaness
13   3   1   9   7   St Pauls
13   1   0   12   2   Aghaderg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 04, 2009, 12:24:24 AM
Of the Loughinisland 2008 championship team in final

Ryan Carville, Cormac O'Toole, Matthew Doran
John Turley are the four defenders are missing against Saval last week, they have all forwards playing except Magic.
Gareth Johnstone,

Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 04, 2009, 12:44:21 AM
Harps produced their best performance of the year...maybe even in recent memory  ;) tonight to defeat runaway league leaders An Riocht tonight in Pairc Ui Loinsigh. While the Cranfield lads were at full strength apart from James Colgan (who appeared at half time) Harps were minus  the two county seniors plus Robbie White who was a flu victim, their two U21s Joe Murph and Tony Havern and Kieran Murph who was laid low by the thuggery V the Shamrocks.

However the lads who stepped onto the field tonight in their place fought and scrapped for every ball and played some real good football along the way. Paddy McAnulty produced an outstanding performance at full forward to set up two of the three goals and score the other one himself. Soupy Campbell had his hands full with John Clarke but restricted him to 2 or 3 points from play whenever Clarke threatened danger every time he touched the ball. Every man in yellow was outstanding but special mention has to be made of Shane Fitz and Kevin Dunne....two lads who have been on the periphery of the 1st 15 over the last few years but who both popped up with goals tonight to kill of fthe Kingdom.


The hallmark of Terry McGivern and Glen Elmore's influence on this team is their work ethic and the fact that they will not give up....something that was missing last year.

Bring on Kilclief :D ;) :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 04, 2009, 01:27:47 AM
Good enough game between oursleves and warrenpoint this evening. We missed a good ffew chances including a penalty in the first half but we ground out the victory in the end. Both teams missing lot of players as is everyone at the moment it seems, but credit to our lads they fought well against a stern point side. Blues seem to keep gettin beat by the odd point or two, they going to have to turn these around into wins if they are to stay up! Conor Mackin, Brian Cole and Shaun Parr did well for us while young Walker and gary boyle did the scorin for the point! Points team is also very young and with these other players missing are doing well to be within touchin distance in these games!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on July 04, 2009, 10:21:20 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 04, 2009, 12:44:21 AM
Harps produced their best performance of the year...maybe even in recent memory  ;) tonight to defeat runaway league leaders An Riocht tonight in Pairc Ui Loinsigh. While the Cranfield lads were at full strength apart from James Colgan (who appeared at half time) Harps were minus  the two county seniors plus Robbie White who was a flu victim, their two U21s Joe Murph and Tony Havern and Kieran Murph who was laid low by the thuggery V the Shamrocks.

However the lads who stepped onto the field tonight in their place fought and scrapped for every ball and played some real good football along the way. Paddy McAnulty produced an outstanding performance at full forward to set up two of the three goals and score the other one himself. Soupy Campbell had his hands full with John Clarke but restricted him to 2 or 3 points from play whenever Clarke threatened danger every time he touched the ball. Every man in yellow was outstanding but special mention has to be made of Shane Fitz and Kevin Dunne....two lads who have been on the periphery of the 1st 15 over the last few years but who both popped up with goals tonight to kill of fthe Kingdom.


The hallmark of Terry McGivern and Glen Elmore's influence on this team is their work ethic and the fact that they will not give up....something that was missing last year.

Bring on Kilclief :D ;) :D

at full forward?? what was that all about??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on July 04, 2009, 10:25:04 AM
Was a neutral at the Bholland Kingdom game last night. Realy entertaining game between two teams intent on playing football. A tonic for those who say Down football is poor, this game was of a high standard. Big powerful perfomances in the middle of the park for Ballyholland coupled with fast direct ball to the forwards demonstrated yet again that gaelic football played simply is very exciting. They lost their way for the first 10 minutes of the second half when slower approach play was snuffed out by Kingdom's defence but once they deployed the long quick ball again the scores came.
John Clarke was the class player on the field but Kingdom just hoofed the ball into him constantly and Ballyholland always had an extra man in there to help block.
Very sporting game, credit tot both teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 04, 2009, 02:22:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 18, 2009, 05:46:07 PM
Quote from: too long ref on June 18, 2009, 02:11:37 PM
cant understand why loughinisland are at the bottom, i know they were missing a lot of players at the start of the league but most of the main players are back now which is no excuse.  There defence seems to be very suspect, they pass the ball at least 10 times before it passes the half way line.  A lot of big names in the side but they are not performing.  hope they stay up and draw a line in this season and comeback even stronger next season.

I put it down to lack of movement in the pre-season transfer market this year. Although they dabbled in the underage market they failed to make a big name signing for the Seniors in the close season. A new director of football might be needed to source out future potential recruits if the Island are to maintain Division 1 status.


A Mallon, these were my thoughts on the reason why the Island were struggling this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on July 04, 2009, 03:45:06 PM
bring Denis Wise to Loughinisland  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on July 05, 2009, 12:39:09 AM
It looks set to be a grandslam affair in the league final (hopefully), if an riocht and ballyholland get through, mouthwatering to say the very least
Title: Re: Loughinisland Blues
Post by: official on July 06, 2009, 06:48:16 AM
Having attended a number of the islands games this year the long term injuries are John Turley and Ryan Carville wing half back and corner back. Cormac O'Toole has been in Austrailia all seson and has just returned. This loss can pose problems for the defence in such a small club however it is no excuse whatsoever for there lowly position this year. Their replacements have not worked out.

In the forward line Ben o'reilly has played only one game maybe two as a substitute. He infact has played little or no football this year as he had same injury problem (hamstring) with county under 21s. G Johnston seems to be concentrating on hurling for this season.

It seems that some in Loughinisland have the misperception that they actually achieved something last year when they collected their losers medal on championship sunday in October 2008.

Going forward Loughinisland must regroup and consolidate their defance which has been usually suspect for a club based on their defensive qualities. For the league this season the tables dont lie but with the championship only around the corner the blues must look to players who should now be leading and not being lead, such quality pleayers sucha as Matt Doran, J Mccarthy, R Stranney, Willie Russell, Conor Killen, Conor & Cormac Otoole all of whom are under performing and who should be at their footballing peak.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 06, 2009, 03:06:52 PM
Are there a full set of East Down underage fixtures this week or has the break begun?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 06, 2009, 03:24:54 PM
Was anyone at the Stone v Bryansford game?  D4S?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 06, 2009, 03:26:29 PM
Quote from: southdown on July 06, 2009, 03:24:54 PM
Was anyone at the Stone v Bryansford game?  D4S?

Report and photos on the Bryansford website.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 06, 2009, 06:47:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 06, 2009, 03:06:52 PM
Are there a full set of East Down underage fixtures this week or has the break begun?

East Down GAA Fixtures
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 18 League         
Date  Tuesday  7th  July Time 7.30pm         
U-18 Football League Section "A" 2009         
   Round Twelve          Referee
   Bryansford   v   St. Mary's   P McCartan
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 16 League         
Date  Wednesday 8th July Time 7.30pm         
U-16 Football League Section "A" 2009   
   Round Eleven         
   St. Mary's   v   Carryduff   D Laverty
   Bredagh   v   St. John's   M Davey
   Loughinisland   v   Downpatrick   G Brannigan
   Cill Darach   v   Castlewellan   E O' Hare
   Bryansford   v   St. Paul's   G Corrigan
   Saul   v   Kilcoo   M Brady
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 14 League         
Date    9th July   Time 7.30pm         
U-14 Football League Section "B2" 2009   
   St. Paul's   v   Liatroim   F Holland
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 14 League         
Date  Friday  10th July   Time 7.30pm         
U-14 Football League Section "B2" 2009   
   Round Thirteen         
   Loughinisland   v   Drumaness   A Sharvin
   Teconnaught   v   Dromara   M Rawlinson
            

then the break
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on July 06, 2009, 09:11:35 PM
just to clarify something up, the team that started on friday night at clonduff was as follows

loughinisland team friday 3rd july

kieran gordon
matt .doran
allan molloy
james grant
paul digney
paddy mckinny
john gibney
john mccarthy
ryan stranney
gareth doran
gary gordon
conor killen
seamus o'hare
steven molloy
mark valentine

2008 championship final team.

kieran gordon
matt doran
conor o'toole
ryan carville
john turley
joe doran
cormac o'tool
dan gordon
allan molloy
john mcCarthy
ryan stranny
jamie o reilly
mark valentine
magic johnston
ben o'reilly

you can consider that there is 9 players out and that has been the case for most of the year, if we can survive relegation, hopefully come back a lot stronger next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 06, 2009, 09:42:02 PM
Somebody should tell Loughinisland's manager that football is a young man's game. I can't believe Gary Gordon and Stephen Molloy are still running around.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 06, 2009, 09:52:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 06, 2009, 09:42:02 PM
Somebody should tell Loughinisland's manager that football is a young man's game. I can't believe Gary Gordon and Stephen Molloy are still running around.
Gary Gordon is still in his 20's!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on July 06, 2009, 10:00:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 06, 2009, 09:42:02 PM
Somebody should tell Loughinisland's manager that football is a young man's game. I can't believe Gary Gordon and Stephen Molloy are still running around.

Yes, I think he knows that. Some of us should have retired years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 06, 2009, 10:04:24 PM
QuoteGary Gordon is still in his 20's!!!!!
Surely you are kidding.

Title: Re: Loughinisland Blues
Post by: johnneycool on July 07, 2009, 08:41:11 AM
Quote from: official on July 06, 2009, 06:48:16 AM

G Johnston seems to be concentrating on hurling for this season.


Big Magic hasn't done a whole pile of club hurling but low and behold he turned up at club training last night and once the hurling was over produced a fitba and proceeded to work on his shooting so he must have designs on going back over to the island for the summer months.

How does that go down in Loughinisland? Big bollocks arrives over looking to take the place of a lad whose trained and played all winter. i suppose ultimately its the managements decision but I know it'd go down like a lead balloon if it were to happen over here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 07, 2009, 08:58:54 AM
Has anyone this weeks fixtures? I didn't get the usual Sunday evening E Mail.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on July 07, 2009, 09:54:42 AM
johnneycool- Magic has maybe trained once  or twice this year. he has travelled to away games  in warrenpoint ( getting home after midnight) and not got on. it seems once the county hurling stops he will be more committed but at moment not really getting a look in. its a difficult situation and there are arguments both ways as he is doing a lot of training whether its hurling or gaelic.

about our situation- at the start of the year we were depleted but only lost games by 2/3 points- some of which we should have won. we were starting to get our squad back again in last couple of weeks but last week lost a number of players to injury or illness. confidence now is very low and it is obvious we are aiming 1. to stay above the point 2. prepare for the play offs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 07, 2009, 10:16:46 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 07, 2009, 08:58:54 AM
Has anyone this weeks fixtures? I didn't get the usual Sunday evening E Mail.

They're on the Down website Lecale...no e mail was issued and the fixtures arent in the Irish News either....Sean Rooney must be on hols.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 07, 2009, 12:26:59 PM
Are all fixtures still on Thursday night as per website fixtures? Or are there changes...like nearly every week!
Title: Re: Loughinisland Blues
Post by: DownFanatic on July 07, 2009, 05:37:50 PM
Can anyone remember who ran the Down Championships Predicition competition on the board last year? Fancy doing it again?

I wouldn't mind retaining my title  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 07, 2009, 06:08:24 PM
POWERADE SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2009
                                 
        TIME                   VENUE    REFEREE
   8/6/09    7.30    Liatroim    V    Longstone    Newcastle    D Laverty
   8/7/09    7.45    Bryansford    V    Kilcoo    Clonduff    B Rice
   8/8/09    6.00    Clann Na Banna    V    An Riocht    Castlewellan    L Morgan
   8/8/09    7.45    Loughinisland    V    Warrenpoint    Castlewellan    E O Hare
   8/9/09    3.30    Castlewellan     V    Saval    Burren    C Brannigan
   8/9/09    6.00    Mayobridge    V    Annaclone    Pairc Esler    G Brannigan
   8/9/09    7.45    Clonduff    V    Rostrevor    Pairc Esler    G Tumelty
   8/10/09    7.30    Ballyholand    V    Burren    Saval    G Corrigan
                                 

   8/6/09    7.30    Ardglass    V    Carryduff    Darragh Cross    C Reynolds
   8/7/09    6.30    Glassdrumman    V    Drumaness    Clonduff    P Brannigan
   8/8/09    4.30    Shamrocks    V    Kilclief    Dundrum    J Burns
   8/9/09    2.30    Ballymartin    V    Drumgath    Burren    D Brogan
   8/10/09    7.30    Dundrum    V    Saul    Bright    J Killen
   8/10/09    7.30    Bredagh    V    Atticall    Loughinisland    M Rawlinson
   8/11/09    7.30    Downpatrick    V    Tullylish    Newcastle    B Andrews
   8/11/09    7.30    Darragh Cross    V    St Johns    Teconnaught    A Grant
                                 
     JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
   8/9/09    1.00    Dromara    V    Aughlisnafinn    Ballykinlar    E Mulvenna
   8/9/09    1.00    St Michaels    V    Glenn    Annaclone    E McGrath
   8/9/09    1.00    Mitchells    V    Teconnaught    Kilcoo    O Burke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 07, 2009, 07:19:28 PM
Last year Predictions league,

downfanatic, its will be difficult to win it 2 in a row.
D45 nearly caught you after he missed the first round.

31   downfanatic
30   Niall Quinn
30   off the laces
29   D45
28   Amallon
28   Umpire
24   dundrumite
23   Minus15
22   General
22   Square Ball
20   Islandboy
20   Bridgegael
18   thewobbler
17   Brick Tamlin
13   Centre 3/4
12   Aristotle Flynn
12   NO 1
11   BRIDGE LAD
11   Statto-gael
10   Maiden 1
8   Dulaney
8   Passedit
7   Blue Island
5   Stiff Breeze
4   SQUAREBALL
4   eyeswideopen
3   Behind the wire
3   spiritof91and94

I will be happy to orgainise it again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 07, 2009, 09:15:03 PM
Minor championship quarter final result

Kilcoo 3-9 St Marys 1-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 07, 2009, 09:38:41 PM
Minor B Championship Quarter Final
Castlewellan 7-10  St Josephs 0-12

Saval beat Drumgath by 6 in one of the other B Quarter Finals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 07, 2009, 10:09:10 PM
Balllyholland beat Shamrocks by a point tonight in the MFC Q/F.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on July 07, 2009, 11:54:15 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 07, 2009, 08:58:54 AM
Has anyone this weeks fixtures? I didn't get the usual Sunday evening E Mail.

Wednesday July 8 (7.30pm)
ACHL Division 1 
Portaferry v Bredagh(P Braniff)
ACHL Division 2 
Ballygalget v Castlewellan(C O'Flynn), Ballycran v Warrenpoint (S Fitzsimmons), Clonduff v Portaferry (N Morgan)
ACFL Division 3
Teconnaught v Drumaness (G Tumelty)
Thursday July 9 (7.30pm)
ACFL Division 1
Liatroim v Clonduff (P Brannigan), Saval v Bryansford (L Smith), Warrenpoint v Burren (E O'Hare), Kilcoo v Longstone (G Corrigan), Castlewellan v Rostrevor (E Mc Elroy), Mayobridge v Loughinisland (D Carr)
ACFL Division 2
Annaclone v Darragh Cross (E McGrath), Ballymartin v Shamrocks (D Laverty), Glasdrumman v Atticall (M Rawlinson), An Riocht v Downpatrick (J Burns), Clann na Banna v Carryduff (HP McCusker), Kilclief v Ballyholland (C Brannigan)
ACFL Division 3
Saul v Dundrum (L Morgan), Aghaderg v Ardglass (D Kearns), Drumgath v St Paul's (D Moore), Tullylish v Glenn (P McDade), Bredagh v St John's (M Curran)
ACFL Division 4
Dromara v St John Bosco (J Mc Mullan), Ballykinlar v Mitchels (O Burke), St Michael's v Bright (M Devlin)

South Down
Wednesday July 8
Ballykelly Group U16 FL (7.30pm)
Burren v Warrenpoint (L Smyth), Mayobridge v Shamrocks (B Andrews), Clonduff v Rostrevor (S Lowey), Tullylish v Longstone (G Kerr), Glenn v An Riocht (E McGrath), Ballymartin OFF Saval, Ballyholland v Bosco (S Flynn), Clann na Banna v Glasdrumman (M Devlin), Atticall v Mitchels (N Cousins), Annaderg v Drumgath (P Preece)
Friday July 10
McAvoy Construction LLP U14B FC (7.30pm)
Tullylish v Annaderg (D Kearns), Bosco v Drumgath (L Smyth)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 08, 2009, 05:57:18 PM
Quote from: umpire on July 07, 2009, 07:19:28 PM
Last year Predictions league,

downfanatic, its will be difficult to win it 2 in a row.
D45 nearly caught you after he missed the first round.



Good memory Umpire, I would have won the coveted title only for my 1st round absence! Should do it again but probably time enough for another 2 weeks after the holidays we'll get into championship mode.  Who does everyone think are the contenders at the minute...is it goin to be Mayobridge again???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on July 08, 2009, 07:45:25 PM
I fancy bryansford to put it up to the rest this year. If they stay apart id go for bridge to beat bryansford in the final. If they meet before the final Bryansford to beat bridge and go on to win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 08, 2009, 08:15:53 PM
Seems to be a lot of teams at the minute carrying a lot of injuries...always miraculously healed by the time the championship comes round ::)! I would say that Bryansford, Longstone, Burren, + Castlewellan are best poised to challenge the bridge.   Burren aren't playin great but you would expect them to get by Ballyholland in the 1st round and then improve against stronger opposition.  Castlewellan should take Saval by 4 or 5, and with Longstone having hit a good run of form the last few weeks, and beaten Liatroim twice in the league we'd hope we can take them this year after last years disappointment! Bryansford have a tough opener against Kilcoo, and if Kilcoo can get a few men back from injury/working away etc it should be a great game but if the Ford win this 1 they will take great confidence.  Very unfortunate for them that Luke Howard out for the rest of the year though so it is a big blow when you're down 1 of your best players as we found last year with injuries to Mark Poland and Ambrose.  Hoping for a good competitive championship and a new name on the trophy (anyone but the Bridge or Burren ;))!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 08, 2009, 09:37:09 PM
Teconnaught beat Drumaness 0-10 to 1-05 in Division 3 tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 09, 2009, 01:31:53 AM
Quote from: D4S on July 08, 2009, 08:15:53 PM
Seems to be a lot of teams at the minute carrying a lot of injuries...always miraculously healed by the time the championship comes round ::)! I would say that Bryansford, Longstone, Burren, + Castlewellan are best poised to challenge the bridge.   Burren aren't playin great but you would expect them to get by Ballyholland in the 1st round and then improve against stronger opposition.  Castlewellan should take Saval by 4 or 5, and with Longstone having hit a good run of form the last few weeks, and beaten Liatroim twice in the league we'd hope we can take them this year after last years disappointment! Bryansford have a tough opener against Kilcoo, and if Kilcoo can get a few men back from injury/working away etc it should be a great game but if the Ford win this 1 they will take great confidence.  Very unfortunate for them that Luke Howard out for the rest of the year though so it is a big blow when you're down 1 of your best players as we found last year with injuries to Mark Poland and Ambrose.  Hoping for a good competitive championship and a new name on the trophy (anyone but the Bridge or Burren ;))!

Burren's name is not on Frank Og O'Hare ;D ;D ;D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 09, 2009, 09:25:09 AM
Some good ties in the first round but Bryansford v Kilcoo is the pick of them.  My championship contenders are Bryansford/Kilcoo, Castlewellan, Mayobridge and Burren.  There are signs of improvement in the Stone but its two early to say if they are back to the form they were in the season before last.

My Predictions in bold
Liatroim    V    Longstone
Bryansford    V    Kilcoo    
Clann Na Banna    V    An Riocht    
Loughinisland    V    Warrenpoint  
Castlewellan     V    Saval    
Mayobridge    V    Annaclone
Clonduff    V    Rostrevor    
Ballyholand    V    Burren    
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 09, 2009, 09:58:49 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 09, 2009, 01:31:53 AM
Quote from: D4S on July 08, 2009, 08:15:53 PM
Seems to be a lot of teams at the minute carrying a lot of injuries...always miraculously healed by the time the championship comes round ::)! I would say that Bryansford, Longstone, Burren, + Castlewellan are best poised to challenge the bridge.   Burren aren't playin great but you would expect them to get by Ballyholland in the 1st round and then improve against stronger opposition.  Castlewellan should take Saval by 4 or 5, and with Longstone having hit a good run of form the last few weeks, and beaten Liatroim twice in the league we'd hope we can take them this year after last years disappointment! Bryansford have a tough opener against Kilcoo, and if Kilcoo can get a few men back from injury/working away etc it should be a great game but if the Ford win this 1 they will take great confidence.  Very unfortunate for them that Luke Howard out for the rest of the year though so it is a big blow when you're down 1 of your best players as we found last year with injuries to Mark Poland and Ambrose.  Hoping for a good competitive championship and a new name on the trophy (anyone but the Bridge or Burren ;))!

Burren's name is not on Frank Og O'Hare ;D ;D ;D :D

I just meant generally I'd hate to see Burren win it...i'd prefer the bridge to win it again if it came down to it ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 09, 2009, 10:13:03 AM
Where is the shock of the first round going to come?  There normaly is one each year.  Saval to beat Castlewellan or what about Clan Na Banna to take to Kingdom?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 09, 2009, 10:21:26 AM
Given our record in the Senior Championship (no wins since 2000!), it might be a bit outlandish for me to say it, but I reckon there won't be a kick of a ball between Ballyholland and Burren.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 09, 2009, 11:34:38 AM
Ballyholland to take Burren by 2, shock? No. Sweet? Yes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 09, 2009, 11:52:16 AM
are the county minors available for tonight???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 09, 2009, 12:00:38 PM
Quote from: amallon on July 09, 2009, 09:25:09 AM
Some good ties in the first round but Bryansford v Kilcoo is the pick of them.  My championship contenders are Bryansford/Kilcoo, Castlewellan, Mayobridge and Burren.  There are signs of improvement in the Stone but its two early to say if they are back to the form they were in the season before last.

My Predictions in bold
Liatroim    V    Longstone
Bryansford    V    Kilcoo    
Clann Na Banna    V    An Riocht    
Loughinisland    V    Warrenpoint  
Castlewellan     V    Saval    
Mayobridge    V    Annaclone
Clonduff    V    Rostrevor    
Ballyholand    V    Burren    


I reckon you have it spot on
Title: Re: Loughinisland Blues
Post by: supersub on July 09, 2009, 12:12:15 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 07, 2009, 05:37:50 PM
Can anyone remember who ran the Down Championships Predicition competition on the board last year? Fancy doing it again?

I wouldn't mind retaining my title  ;)

Is it just for the SFC or all of them together I canny member?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 09, 2009, 01:18:07 PM
I think the stickfighting was in it and all last year.

No hurling predictions this year, anyone agree?
Title: Re: Loughinisland Blues
Post by: D4S on July 09, 2009, 01:18:26 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 09, 2009, 12:12:15 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 07, 2009, 05:37:50 PM
Can anyone remember who ran the Down Championships Predicition competition on the board last year? Fancy doing it again?

I wouldn't mind retaining my title  ;)

Is it just for the SFC or all of them together I canny member?

Was all I'm sure which was why you had thew winner with 31 points and myself in 3rd with 29.....Having missed the 1st round predictions I might add!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on July 09, 2009, 02:02:24 PM
Saval beating castlewellan would be by no means a shock amallon. Don't forget they beat them last friday minus 2 county men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 09, 2009, 03:12:11 PM
for what its worth:

Liatroim    V    Longstone
Bryansford    V    Kilcoo    (Draw)
Clann Na Banna    V    An Riocht      
Loughinisland    V    Warrenpoint   
Castlewellan     V    Saval   
Mayobridge    V    Annaclone
Clonduff    V    Rostrevor    
Ballyholand    V    Burren    
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 09, 2009, 03:46:30 PM
Id tip the following

Liatroim    V    Longstone
Bryansford    V    Kilcoo   
Clann Na Banna    V    An Riocht     
Loughinisland    V    Warrenpoint     
Castlewellan     V    Saval    
Mayobridge    V    Annaclone
Clonduff     V    Rostrevor     
Ballyholand    V    Burren     

Ardglass    V    Carryduff     
Glassdrumman     V    Drumaness   
Shamrocks     V    Kilclief     
Ballymartin     V    Drumgath   
Dundrum     V    Saul     Bright 
Bredagh    V    Atticall     
Downpatrick      V    Tullylish   
Darragh Cross      V    St Johns   
                                   
     
Dromara    V    Aughlisnafinn   
St Michaels    V    Glenn    
Mitchells    V    Teconnaught     
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 09, 2009, 03:50:19 PM
TIME                   VENUE    REFEREE
    8/6/09    7.30    Liatroim    V    Longstone    Newcastle    D Laverty
    8/7/09    7.45    Bryansford    V    Kilcoo    Clonduff    B Rice
    8/8/09    6.00    Clann Na Banna    V    An Riocht    Castlewellan    L Morgan
    8/8/09    7.45    Loughinisland    V    Warrenpoint    Castlewellan    E O Hare
    8/9/09    3.30    Castlewellan      V    Saval    Burren    C Brannigan
    8/9/09    6.00    Mayobridge    V    Annaclone    Pairc Esler    G Brannigan
    8/9/09    7.45    Clonduff    V    Rostrevor    Pairc Esler    G Tumelty
    8/10/09    7.30    Ballyholand    V    Burren    Saval    G Corrigan
                                   

    8/6/09    7.30    Ardglass    V    Carryduff    Darragh Cross    C Reynolds
    8/7/09    6.30    Glassdrumman     V    Drumaness    Clonduff    P Brannigan
    8/8/09    4.30    Shamrocks     V    Kilclief    Dundrum    J Burns
    8/9/09    2.30    Ballymartin    V    Drumgath    Burren    D Brogan
    8/10/09    7.30    Dundrum    V    Saul    Bright    J Killen
    8/10/09    7.30    Bredagh    V    Atticall     Loughinisland    M Rawlinson
    8/11/09    7.30    Downpatrick    V    Tullylish    Newcastle    B Andrews
    8/11/09    7.30    Darragh Cross    V    St Johns    Teconnaught    A Grant
                                   
     JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
    8/9/09    1.00    Dromara    V    Aughlisnafinn    Ballykinlar    E Mulvenna
    8/9/09    1.00    St Michaels    V    Glenn    Annaclone    E McGrath
    8/9/09    1.00    Mitchells    V    Teconnaught    Kilcoo    O Burke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fender on July 09, 2009, 04:03:04 PM
 Going to give this a rattle for the first time


Liatroim              V    Longstone   
Bryansford          V    Kilcoo   
Clann Na Banna    V    An Riocht   
Loughinisland       V    Warrenpoint     
Castlewellan        V    Saval    Burren   
Mayobridge         V    Annaclone     
Clonduff              V    Rostrevor   
Ballyholand         V     Burren   
                                   

Ardglass    V    Carryduff    
Glassdrumman    V    Drumaness   
Shamrocks    V    Kilclief    
Ballymartin    V    Drumgath   
Dundrum    V    Saul     Bright 
Bredagh    V    Atticall     
Downpatrick     V    Tullylish   
Darragh Cross     V    St Johns   
                                   
     JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
Dromara    V    Aughlisnafinn   
St Michaels    V    Glenn   
Mitchells    V    Teconnaught    

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on July 09, 2009, 04:13:11 PM
Here goes....

Senior
Liatroim              V    Longstone   
Bryansford          V    Kilcoo   
Clann Na Banna    V    An Riocht   
Loughinisland       V    Warrenpoint     
Castlewellan        V    Saval   
Mayobridge         V    Annaclone     
Clonduff              V    Rostrevor   
Ballyholand         V     Burren   
                                   
Intermediate
Ardglass    V    Carryduff   
Glassdrumman    V    Drumaness   
Shamrocks    V    Kilclief   
Ballymartin    V    Drumgath   
Dundrum    V    Saul     Bright
Bredagh    V    Atticall     
Downpatrick     V    Tullylish   
Darragh Cross     V    St Johns   
                                   
Junior
Dromara    V    Aughlisnafinn   
St Michaels    V    Glenn   
Mitchells    V    Teconnaught     
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 09, 2009, 04:31:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 09, 2009, 01:18:07 PM
I think the stickfighting was in it and all last year.

No hurling predictions this year, anyone agree?

i'd stick to the bogball this year lads as the hurling championships are all up in the air with competitions like the Joe McCrickard and Betsy Gray to be played god knows whenever.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 09, 2009, 04:59:30 PM
I'll have a go at the lower grades too...
                                   
Intermediate
Ardglass    V    Carryduff     
Glassdrumman    V    Drumaness   
Shamrocks     V    Kilclief   
Ballymartin    V    Drumgath    
Dundrum     V    Saul     
Bredagh    V    Atticall      
Downpatrick      V    Tullylish   
Darragh Cross     V    St Johns   
                                   
Junior
Dromara     V    Aughlisnafinn   
St Michaels    V    Glenn   
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on July 09, 2009, 06:04:19 PM
QuoteI think the stickfighting was in it and all last year.

No hurling predictions this year, anyone agree?

No f**king chance, the hurling is the only way I picked up any points last year!   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 09, 2009, 06:39:19 PM
Did we have to pick winners for the all the football and the hurling championships as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 09, 2009, 09:01:49 PM
Kilclief beat harps by 5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 09, 2009, 09:13:38 PM
Bredagh 3-11 St Johns 2-3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 09, 2009, 09:15:14 PM
Kilcoo beat the stone 1-12 to 1-8. and gavin corrigan too. the most biased and shocking refereeing performance i ever seen.

Rostrevor beat the town.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 09, 2009, 09:19:19 PM
Mayobridge 1-9 Loughinisland 0-7
Warrenpoint 0-10 Burren 1-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on July 09, 2009, 09:47:48 PM
Dundrum 0:5 Saul 0:8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 09, 2009, 09:58:52 PM
Last year prediction league was confined to Down Senior, Intermediate and Junior football competitions.

I would be happy if someone else can take care of Hurling predictions competition.

I have note amallon, Brick Tamlin (can you predict Intermediate and Junior?), Mid Down Gael, Supersub,  Fender(newbie) and Statto-gael selections

I thought I could get my holidays over first before starting this competition.
Last year there were 19 games in first round and highest place was 17 correct shared by Niall Quinn and DownFanatic, so not easy.

Your selections

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Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 09, 2009, 10:01:05 PM

Drumgath  0-4 2-16 St Pauls   :o

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on July 09, 2009, 10:02:09 PM
Daragh cross 0.10 annaclone 1.7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 09, 2009, 10:04:51 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 09, 2009, 10:01:05 PM

Drumgath  0-4 2-16 St Pauls   :o



Drumgath struck down with Oxegenitis id say.

Saul 0-08  Dundrum 0-05 in Division 3 - Absolutely dire game of football which Saul deserved to win.

Thursday 09th July 2009

O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Warrenpoint  0-10 1-10 Burren  Warrenpoint Round 14 
Kilcoo  1-12 1-8 Longstone  Kilcoo Round 14 
Mayobridge  1-9 0-7 Loughinisland  Mayobridge Round 14 

O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ballymartin  1-11 0-11 Shamrocks  Ballymartin Round 14 
Glasdrumman  0-15 1-8 Atticall  Glasdrumman Round 14 
Kilclief  0-13 0-8 Ballyholland  Kilclief Round 14 

O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Drumgath  0-4 2-16 St Pauls  Drumgath Round 14 
Bredagh  3-11 2-3 St Johns  Bredagh Round 14 

O Neills Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Dromara  1-5 5-12 St John Bosco  Dromara Round 14 
St Michaels  2-13 1-12 Bright  St Michaels Round 14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 09, 2009, 10:23:11 PM
heres the rest of mine.

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on July 09, 2009, 10:29:22 PM
Tullylish 1-13
Glenn 2-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on July 09, 2009, 10:30:18 PM
I think I'll give this a go this year.

Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone 8)
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 09, 2009, 10:33:51 PM
No 1

You picked up 12 points in first round of  football prediction league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 09, 2009, 10:36:42 PM
No 1

You picked up 12 points in first round of  football prediction league LAST YEAR.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on July 09, 2009, 10:55:19 PM
Fair enough big man  :)

I just know how much those Ballyholland fellas love their hurling.  God knows they aren't much use at the football......................... ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on July 09, 2009, 10:57:52 PM
Down team:


Brendan McVeigh,
Ciaran McGovern,
Kevin McKernan,
Damian Rafferty,
Timmy Hanna,
Paul Murphy,
Conor Garvey,
Dan Gordon,
Stephen Kearney,
Ambrose Rogers,
Conor Maginn,
Brendan McArdle,
Brendan Coulter,
Paul McCumiskey,
Daniel Hughes.


Great to see Ambrose back, full forward line looks great.....  only concern is full back line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on July 09, 2009, 11:09:18 PM


Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone      
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 09, 2009, 11:23:35 PM
Cloneman and Bridge posters.

There lots of  these lads will be playing in forthcoming championship match. Bridge's must have won that day
   
Under 12 South Down final.1992

Mayobridge
John Morgan,
Ronan McClorey, Neil Garvey, Liam Coulter;
Ronan Harte, Gavin Barry, John O'Hare;
Martin McDonald, John Quinn;
Micheal Walsh, Ronan Sexton, Adrain Barry;
Jamie McManus, Cathal Donnelly(Saval player now), Brendan Coulter;

Some of well known subs. Sean Featherstone, Brendan Grant and Thomas O'Hare

Annaclone.

M J McAlinden,
John Haughey, Gareth Tucker, Dermot Kerr;
Gareth Loye, Noel Burns, Mark McAvoy;
Paul Tumelty, John McAleenan;
Patrick Doyle, Aidan Fegan, Chrisopher Sheppard;
Peter Magee, Paul Burns, Simon McAvoy;

Some of the subs. Martin McNeill, Gary Byrne, Gerard Fegan, Joanne O'Hare  Ann Fegan,


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 09, 2009, 11:27:53 PM
Quote from: No1 on July 09, 2009, 10:55:19 PM
Fair enough big man  :)

I just know how much those Ballyholland fellas love their hurling.  God knows they aren't much use at the football......................... ;)


You can shove that beer up your hole ya hoor ye 8) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on July 09, 2009, 11:42:20 PM
Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fred the red on July 09, 2009, 11:46:11 PM
any odds for championship games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on July 10, 2009, 12:01:19 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 09, 2009, 10:04:51 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 09, 2009, 10:01:05 PM

Drumgath  0-4 2-16 St Pauls   :o



Drumgath struck down with Oxegenitis id say.


In fairness DF, St Pauls were well short as well and had a nightmare journey with the chaos on the M1. We did welcome back one long term absentee however. Starting his first game after nearly a year off for shoulder surgery, Kevin McElroy scored 2.10 tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on July 10, 2009, 12:06:02 AM
Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks vKilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh vAtticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara vAughlisnafin ;D
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught

[/quote]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on July 10, 2009, 03:08:07 AM
An Riocht 2-11 vs Downpatrick 0-08

Just to add Downpatrick are a yappy crowd, that number 11 would be a better soccer player, as would that midfielder of theirs, their number 10 shouldn't be let loose on a Gaelic Field, good Win for An Riocht, John Clarke finishing with 1-4, some explain why hes not a county starter, never mind a Panelist
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GaelicGames.In on July 10, 2009, 08:36:46 AM
Hi there,

I'm trying to put together a list of all the recent Down footballers and their clubs. Can any one help by adding in the first names and the clubs?



P   Travers   

P   McConville   

C   Byrne   

B   Grant   

M   McMurray   

M   Magill   

B   Kearney   

A   Molloy   

Liam   Doyle   

M   Walsh   

Brendan   Coulter   

Aiden   O'Prey   

P   Shields   

S   Mulholland   

Ronan   Murtagh   

Sean   Ward   

M   McVeigh   

C   Daly   

S   Poland   

Mickey   Linden   

B   Burns   

J   Clarke   

K   McGrath   

G   McCartan   

S   King   

N   Sexton   

P   Bradley   

F   Caulfield   

Ronan   Sexton   

S   Treanor   

J   Lynch   

A   Carville   

D   Gordon   

J   McCartan   

M   Cole   

C   McCrickard   

A   Devlin   

D   McCartan   

G   McMahon   

D   Rooney   

PP   McCartan   

Sean   Ward   

Shane   Ward   

J   Lavery   

A   Scullion   

D   Sheeran   

Brendan   McVeigh   

M   Higgins   

Joe   Doran   

B   Ward   

A   Shields   

G   McCrickard   

P   Turley   

D   Hughes   

S   Kearney   

S   Farrell   

B   Doran   

C   King   

E   McCartan   

S   Scullion   

D   Rafferty   

A   Brannigan   

A   Rodgers   

P   Murphy   

F   McGreevy   

A   Rice   

G   Barry   

C   Laverty   

M   Doran   

C   Gribben   

M   Poland   

A   Carr   

J   Brown   

J   Colgan   

B   Connell   

S   Toner   

D   Cunningham   

R   McArdle   

K   McGuigan   

P   Telford   

K   Gracey   

B   McGourty   

B   Loughran   

E   Henry   

P   Matthews   

A   Burns   

B   Sweeney   

C   Murtagh   

G   Johnson   

M   McClean   

J   McGovern   

J   Boyle   

P   Downey   

P   McComiskey   

C   McGovern   

G   McArdle   

K   McKernan   

C   Magee   

J   Fegan   

C   Murney   

J   McAreavey   

D   O'Hanlon   

L   Howard   

P   McCumiskey   

H   Davey   

C   Garvey   

L   Sloan   

J   Ireland   

M   Magee   

K   Duffin   

P   Fitzpatrick   

C   Maginn   

J   O'Reilly   

B   McArdle   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 10, 2009, 09:01:56 AM
Peter   Travers (Bryansford)  

Plunkett   McConville (Clonduff)  

Ciaran   Byrne (Burren)  

Brendan   Grant (Mayobridge)  

Malachy   McMurray (Bosco)  

Miceal   Magill (Warrenpoint)  

Brendan   Kearney (Warrenpoint)  

Alan   Molloy (Loughinisland)  

Liam   Doyle (Liatroim)  

Michael   Walsh (Mayobridge)  

Brendan   Coulter (Mayobridge)  

Aiden   O'Prey (Liatroim)  

Paul   Shields (Clonduff)  

Shane   Mulholland (Ballyholland)  

Ronan   Murtagh (Ballyholland)    

Sean   Ward (Burren)  

Micheal   McVeigh (Castlewellan)  

Conor   Daly (Rostrevor)  

Simon   Poland (Bryansford)  

Mickey   Linden (Mayobridge)  

Brian   Burns (Bryansford)  

John   Clarke (An Riocht)  

Kevin   McGrath (Rostevor)  

Gregory   McCartan (Ballymartin / Castlewellan)  

Shane   King (Bryansford)    

Noel   Sexton (Mayobridge)  

Paudie   Bradley (Burren / Mayobridge)  

Finbarr   Caulfield (Rostrevor)  

Ronan   Sexton (Mayobridge)  

Shane   Treanor (Castlewellan)  

Jackie   Lynch (Drumgath)  

Adrian   Carville (Bryansford)  

Dan   Gordon (Loughinisland)  

James   McCartan (Tullylish / Burren)  

Martin   Cole  (Rostrevor)

Colin   McCrickard (Liatroim)  

Anthony   Devlin (Kilcoo)  

Daniel   McCartan (Tullylish / Burren)  

Glen   McMahon (Mayobridge / Burren)  

Declan   Rooney (One from Mayobridge, One from Burren)  

Patrick Pearse   McCartan (Liatroim)  

Sean   Ward (Burren)  

Shane   Ward (Clonduff)  

John   Lavery (An Riocht / Carryduff)  

Adrian   Scullion (Bellaghy / Carryduff)  

Declan   Sheeran (Drumgath)  

Brendan   McVeigh (An Riocht)  

Micheal   Higgins (Longstone)  

Joe   Doran (Loughinisland)  

Brendan   Ward (Loughinisland)    

Aodhan   Shields (Bryansford)  

Gerard   McCrickard (Bryansford)    

Peter   Turley (One from Downpatrick, one from Saval)  

Daniel   Hughes (Saval)  

Stephen   Kearney (Mitchels / Saval)  

Sean   Farrell (Rostrevor)  

Barry   Doran (Longstone)  

Callum   King (Bryansford)  

Eoin   McCartan (Tullylish / Burren)  

S   Scullion ? ? ? ?  

Damien   Rafferty (Shamrocks)  

Aidan   Brannigan (Kilcoo)  

Ambrose   Rodgers (Longstone)  

Paul   Murphy (Ballyholland)  

Fintan   McGreevy (Castlewellan)  

Aidan   Rice (Liatroim)  

Gavin   Barry (Mayobridge)  

Conor   Laverty (Kilcoo)  

Mark   Doran (Longstone)  

Conor   Gribben (Bryansford)  

Mark   Poland (Longstone)  

Aiden   Carr (Clonduff)  

Jason   Brown (Clonduff)  

James   Colgan (An Riocht)  

Bernard   Connell (Drumgath)  

Stephen   Toner (Bryansford)  

Darren   Cunningham (Saval)  

Ruairi   McArdle (Castlewellan)  

Kevin   McGuigan (Shamrocks)  

Peter   Telford (Downpatrick)    

Kevin   Gracey (Downpatrick)  

Brendan   McGourty (Darragh Cross)  

Brendan   Loughran (Shamrocks)  

Eoin   Henry (Warrenpoint)  

Paudie   Matthews (Clonduff)  

Aidan   Burns (Castlewellan)  

Brian   Sweeney (St Michael's)  

Colm   Murtagh (Glenn)  

Gareth   Johnson (Loughinisland)  

Martin   McClean (Kilcoo)  

James   McGovern (Burren)  

John   Boyle (Warrenpoint)  

Packie   Downey (Drumgath)  

Ciaran   McGovern (Burren)  

Gary   McArdle (Annaclone)  

Kevin   McKernan (Burren)  

Cathal   Magee (Mayobridge)  

John   Fegan (Clonduff)  

Colm   Murney (Rostrevor)  

John   McAreavey (Aghaderg / Tullylish)  

Darren   O'Hanlon (Bryansford)  

Luke   Howard (Bryansford)  

Paul   McCumiskey (Dundrum)  

Hugh   Davey (Shamrocks)  

Conor   Garvey (Mayobridge)  

Louis   Sloan (Atticall)  

Joe   Ireland (Bryansford)  

Michael   Magee (Ardglass)  

Kevin   Duffin (Castlewellan)  

Peter   Fitzpatrick (Ballymartin)  

Conor   Maginn (Bryansford)  

Jamie   O'Reilly (Loughinisland)  

Brendan   McArdle (Annaclone)  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 10, 2009, 09:06:44 AM
Rather you than me wobbbler!!! good work
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GaelicGames.In on July 10, 2009, 09:16:47 AM
Thats huge work wobbler, many thanks. Anyone know these last two:
S   Scullion:
http://gaainfo.com/player.php?sport=f&co=9&player=60
... two NFL games in 2004

Martin   Cole 
http://gaainfo.com/player.php?sport=f&co=9&player=35
... about 70 matches since 2001

I'm hoping to add this to gaainfo.com:
http://www.gaainfo.com/allplayers_county_records.php?type=played&sport=f&co=down

Thanks for the help
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 10, 2009, 09:17:39 AM
Martin Cole - Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 10, 2009, 09:24:48 AM
Saval 1.11 Bryansford 2.11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 10, 2009, 09:31:23 AM
Who was the Loughinisland No 25 last night.  Heavy set fella, just notice he wasn't named in the program
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 10, 2009, 09:36:14 AM
thewobbler, a true down gaa man.

can you check on Gerard McCrickard, i thought he a Bryansford player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on July 10, 2009, 09:48:38 AM
a Mallon - not sure i think it was gary gordon, was he was playing centre half forward?

what was your view of the goal disallowed by the ref which would have put us one ahead ? was the crucial point in the game!

both teams very short, maybe more so ourselves. we actually showed a bit of fight last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 10, 2009, 09:49:38 AM
Castlewellen 2-6 Rostrevor 2-8

Good game between us and the town last night, they got off to a good start and went 3-0 up in the first 5 minutes, but we came back with a point and then a goal from Brian Cole. We were never losing from then on but it was always a tight enough game to be honest. They got a goal in the first half which came from a misjudgment in our defence and the ball was walked into the net. There were a few scuffles in the match especially when it was tight towards the end but nothing major. No 12 for them McGrady seems like a bit of a psycho, he got booked in the first half and kept hitting late etc throughout the match, I don't know how he stayed on! Both teams got a penalty in the second half with Shaun Parr scoring ours to put us 5 points up with about 20 to go. They fought back well and a couple of long range frees/45s from Gregory McCartan kept them close - and he took the penalty to reduce the deficit to 2 in injury time. A lot of unnecessary slaps and pushes carry on during the match and we had to wait about 5 mins for the penalty at the end to be taken because the ref stood and watched a scuffle on the 21 instead of taking action. Conor Mackin was good again for us, and Brian Cole with Shaun Parr worked well in the ff line - while Gregory McCartan certainly kept the town close with his kicking. Our backs crowded the forwards out well at times and it was generally a good performance from the reds. Also at the end there seemed to be a bit of a fight in the stand between supporters, couldn't see from where I was standing but think it was sorted out quickly enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 10, 2009, 10:10:51 AM
Umpire - you're right on McCrickard, I've changed it now. Copy and past problems!

GaelciGames.In,  just a few notes for your:

- There is only one Sean Ward played for Down in recent memory (and some, like Oisin McConville, would say thaknfully).
- Paul McComiskey and Paul McCumiskey are the same person, but outside his family nobody seems sure which way to spell his surname.
- A Declan Rooney from Mayobridge played for Down up to 2004. Since 2005 a different Declan Rooney from Burren has featured.
- There are two Peter Turleys, one from Downpatrick and one from Saval, they are the same age and play mostly at midfield. The one from Downpatrick is the one who has played most in the past 2 years, but beyond that good luck working out which is whicj.

Amallon or Trevor Hill might be your best bet for working out who S Scullion is.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 10, 2009, 10:36:36 AM
It's Stevie Trainor form Castlewellan not Shane Treanor. Good work
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 10, 2009, 10:46:39 AM
Was the guy Scullion not the lad from Bellaghy who transfered to Bredagh or Carryduff?  I think Carryduff.

islandboy - I think the lad going through on goal thought about the shot but took another couple of steps before shooting.  If he had shot the first time he would have been grand.  Who was he anyway?  It was a turning point in the game alright, the scare seemed to kick us into life.  Brendy Ward is still a class act and I can't understand why he never made it at county level.  Seamus O'hare had some night scoring all your 7 points!

We had Coulter, Gavery, Ronan Sexton missing due to county duty. Adrian Barry still suspended, Noel Sexton injured, Walsh played 20 mins (back from Injury), Seamus Grant (in Scotland), Conleth O'Hare (Hols), Micheal Lively (hols) and Darren Fegan (injured) all missing.  Due to weddings, injuries, and county duty I don't remember us ever being with out so many players over so many games in a season.  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 10, 2009, 11:31:49 AM
Wobbler;
Darren O'Hanlon is from Ballymartin not Bryansford
Just to note - Gerard McCrickard has just got an inter county transfer to Portglenone where he now resides.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 10, 2009, 11:38:57 AM
Quote from: amallon on July 10, 2009, 10:46:39 AM
Was the guy Scullion not the lad from Bellaghy who transfered to Bredagh or Carryduff?  I think Carryduff.

islandboy - I think the lad going through on goal thought about the shot but took another couple of steps before shooting.  If he had shot the first time he would have been grand.  Who was he anyway?  It was a turning point in the game alright, the scare seemed to kick us into life.  Brendy Ward is still a class act and I can't understand why he never made it at county level.  Seamus O'hare had some night scoring all your 7 points!

We had Coulter, Gavery, Ronan Sexton missing due to county duty. Adrian Barry still suspended, Noel Sexton injured, Walsh played 20 mins (back from Injury), Seamus Grant (in Scotland), Conleth O'Hare (Hols), Micheal Lively (hols) and Darren Fegan (injured) all missing.  Due to weddings, injuries, and county duty I don't remember us ever being with out so many players over so many games in a season.  

Adrian Scullion from Carryduff... Strong defender!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on July 10, 2009, 11:53:44 AM
First time at this lark so don't laugh

Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 10, 2009, 11:57:31 AM
I forgot to mention that one T O'Hare was back in the Bridge's starting 15 last night!  Scored a point too!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on July 10, 2009, 12:22:50 PM
Burren beat the Point by goal at Moygannon but referee was an absolute disgrace.
Burren should had two men off McGovern (5) & McCartan (6) both struck out & lot of there other players seem to enter as third man in niggles.
Penalty decision decided it which is fair enough but we had a stonewall one at other end turned down minutes later.
We have some serious injuries/ boys unavailable at the minute (7 or 8 last night I think)
but boys just need to keep plugging away & it will come!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 10, 2009, 12:29:01 PM
Quote from: amallon on July 10, 2009, 11:57:31 AM
I forgot to mention that one T O'Hare was back in the Bridge's starting 15 last night!  Scored a point too!


Which one ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 10, 2009, 12:35:24 PM
Islandboy - Gary Gordon was wearing 11.  Fair play to Loughinisland who despite having to make changes to their team their players still had the correct numbers on their back.  Unfortunatley our program only went as far as 24 so I don't know who 25 was.

5Sams - The famous one with big shoes to fill!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 10, 2009, 12:45:51 PM
Disappointing result in Kilcoo last night after recent good form! The Stone raced into a 6-0 lead after 10 minutes, and then trailed 7-6 soon after, it was a draw at halftime. Stevie Doran sent off in the 1st half straight red but should be back in 4 weeks for championship.  Ryan Kelly + Conor Poland both went off injured for us in 2nd half, hope nothing serious for either as they would be huge misses!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 10, 2009, 12:53:22 PM
1st round Predictions 2009

Senior football

Liatriom v Longstone      
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on July 10, 2009, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: guevara on July 10, 2009, 12:22:50 PM
Burren beat the Point by goal at Moygannon but referee was an absolute disgrace.
Burren should had two men off McGovern (5) & McCartan (6) both struck out & lot of there other players seem to enter as third man in niggles.
Penalty decision decided it which is fair enough but we had a stonewall one at other end turned down minutes later.
We have some serious injuries/ boys unavailable at the minute (7 or 8 last night I think)
but boys just need to keep plugging away & it will come!!

I was a neutral at the same game so maybe can bring some balance to this.
I agree that both Chris McGovern and Dan McCartan should have been lined. Burren had the sense to take McGovern off as he had just escaped a deserved second yellow while McCartann struck to the face right in front of me. However there was quite a melee of players in the area and I don't think the referee saw the punch. Warrenppoint no. 3 should have been double yellow as well, second bad foul and the referee let him off with a caution before the McGovern & McCartan incidents.
Warrenpoint have themselves to blame for defeat in a game that they were well in contention with throughout, because their constant fouling in defence, coupled with incessant yapping,howling, and theatrical falling over at the slightest tackle did them no favours at all.
I was actually impressed with some of their football (when they played, mainly their winghalf backs) but pity their poor manager who has to try and get it out of the players who are more intent in spolied-child antics that deflect from the game.
The number of times they surrounded and jostled the referee was unacceptable and counter-productive.
I actually thought the referee did quite well despite the wrong calls above. He clearly didn't want to send players off but in most cases he was decisive and explained his decisions albeit against a background of foul-mouthing mainly from Wpoint.
The other disappointing element was the bad language from the Burren sideline and the constant encroaching of their mentors onto the field to give team instructions. By the way, what does "front off" and "circle him left" mean? Such obscure instructions from the Burren manager not only left me bemused but didn't seem to mean anything to his players either.
From what I've seen Burren, who looked like they were making progreess a couple of years ago, have regressed intoa team of also-rans, while if the Point grew up they could maybe survive in the league.
Poor fare for Div 1 football on a perfect football evening and from langauge and behaviour poor example for the young kids at the game.
Finall fair effort to the Point in producing a match programme even if the team selctions had a touch of the "Ross Carr Mysteries" about them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 10, 2009, 01:02:18 PM
Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on July 10, 2009, 01:36:21 PM
Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo went for this if kilcoo have full panel available if not the ford by 2pts
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v SavalMayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren
Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v SaulBredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v GlennMitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 10, 2009, 01:54:44 PM
Wobbler, its McComiskey not McCumiskey. Im 100% on that.

Now, let the oracle speak. I know everyone has been waiting for the 2008 prediction champion to reveal his selections and here they are:


Senior football

Liatriom v Longstone      
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren


Intermediate football

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns


Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on July 10, 2009, 02:58:08 PM
Leo,

Although I respect with a lot you put on this forum Im gonna strongly disagree with you on this one.
If McGovern & McCartan shouldve walked why didnt they? I gaurantee if the roles had been reversed the outcome wouldve been different.
If you had been observant you wouldve noticed that these rows that started were the result of Burren players charging in as third man & causing the shoving/ pushing. Im not claiming our boys were angels but you make it sound like we were instigating the whole thing.

From what Ive seen of the games Ive been at this year ( most of Warrenpoints & quite few others) refs tend to want to be best friends with our county players. They are definitely leaning with the bigger name teams & are as inconsistent a bunch Ive ever seen.
I rate Neil Cousins & maybe 1 or 2 others but outside that they are brutal.

We are fighting for our lives & performances from referees like last weeks & last night are costing us valuable points!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 10, 2009, 03:19:18 PM
div 1 league table anyone? website not up to date and dont have time to do it myself!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on July 10, 2009, 03:23:24 PM
a mallon - it may have been stephen molloy who was playing midfield.did he start the game or come on as a sub? may have been aiden nixon - he came on at half time

we were missing dan, magic and jamie(county), ben o reilly, mat doran, conor o toole, ryan carville, john turley(all injured),joe doran(lasted 30 mins injured) mark valentine(suspended) patrick mc kinney and conor killen( hols)
we cant cope without so many players but happy we gave the bridge a game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 10, 2009, 03:55:07 PM
No he started in round the full forward line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 10, 2009, 04:15:52 PM
Was it Willie Russell? He's filled out into a big fella.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on July 10, 2009, 04:24:36 PM
I will give it a go this year....

Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns


Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on July 10, 2009, 04:36:42 PM
Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v attical
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught






Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on July 10, 2009, 05:33:11 PM
Cormac o toole - only back from Australia . Will be great addition when he gets fit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on July 10, 2009, 07:22:53 PM
Quote from: umpire on July 09, 2009, 11:23:35 PM
Cloneman and Bridge posters.

There lots of  these lads will be playing in forthcoming championship match. Bridge's must have won that day
   
Under 12 South Down final.1992

Mayobridge
John Morgan,
Ronan McClorey, Neil Garvey, Liam Coulter;
Ronan Harte, Gavin Barry, John O'Hare;
Martin McDonald, John Quinn;
Micheal Walsh, Ronan Sexton, Adrain Barry;
Jamie McManus, Cathal Donnelly(Saval player now), Brendan Coulter;

Some of well known subs. Sean Featherstone, Brendan Grant and Thomas O'Hare

Annaclone.

M J McAlinden,
John Haughey, Gareth Tucker, Dermot Kerr;
Gareth Loye, Noel Burns, Mark McAvoy;
Paul Tumelty, John McAleenan;
Patrick Doyle, Aidan Fegan, Chrisopher Sheppard;
Peter Magee, Paul Burns, Simon McAvoy;

Some of the subs. Martin McNeill, Gary Byrne, Gerard Fegan, Joanne O'Hare  Ann Fegan,




Umpire, of our starting team that day there is only 3 that will be available for the Championship this year and two of the subs.
I think we only got beat by 30 - 40 points that day!!  :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 10, 2009, 07:23:20 PM
Quote from: guevara on July 10, 2009, 12:22:50 PM
Burren beat the Point by goal at Moygannon but referee was an absolute disgrace.
Burren should had two men off McGovern (5) & McCartan (6) both struck out & lot of there other players seem to enter as third man in niggles.
Penalty decision decided it which is fair enough but we had a stonewall one at other end turned down minutes later.
We have some serious injuries/ boys unavailable at the minute (7 or 8 last night I think)
but boys just need to keep plugging away & it will come!!

Calling the ref a disgrace is an issue that really pisses me off. Some may have bad games and make mistakes as do all players when they take the field, but I have yet to see a poster call a player a disgrace for a poor performance. Refs are only human.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 10, 2009, 07:25:25 PM
Full results from Thursday night - (The only game not played seems to be Aghaderg and Ardglass in Division 3)

Thursday 09th July 2009

O Neills Down SFL Division 1
 
Liatroim  0-6 1-10 Clonduff  Liatroim Round 14  
Saval  1-11 2-11 Bryansford  Saval Round 14  
Warrenpoint  0-10 1-10 Burren  Warrenpoint Round 14  
Kilcoo  1-12 1-8 Longstone  Kilcoo Round 14  
Castlewellan  2-6 2-8 Rostrevor  Castlewellan Round 14  
Mayobridge  1-9 0-7 Loughinisland  Mayobridge Round 14  

O Neills Down SFL Division 2

Annaclone  1-7 0-10 Darragh Cross  Annaclone Round 14  
Ballymartin  1-11 0-11 Shamrocks  Ballymartin Round 14  
Glasdrumman  0-15 1-8 Atticall  Glasdrumman Round 14  
An Riocht  2-11 0-8 Downpatrick  An Riocht Round 14  
Clann na Banna  1-9 0-7 Carryduff  Clann na Banna Round 14  
Kilclief  0-13 0-8 Ballyholland  Kilclief Round 14  

O Neills Down SFL Division 3
 
Saul  0-8 0-5 Dundrum  Saul Round 14  
Drumgath  0-4 2-16 St Pauls  Drumgath Round 14  
Tullylish  1-13 2-10 Glenn  Tullylish Round 14  
Bredagh  3-11 2-3 St Johns  Bredagh Round 14  

O Neills Down SFL Division 4

Dromara  1-5 5-12 St John Bosco  Dromara Round 14  
St Michaels  2-13 1-12 Bright  St Michaels Round 14  
Ballykinlar  1-5 5-25 Mitchels  Ballykinlar Round 14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on July 10, 2009, 07:49:43 PM
Senior football

Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v attical
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on July 10, 2009, 09:49:54 PM
Senior football

Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren
Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v attical
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught

Alot of posters going with league form, but i think there will be a few surprises this year folks! Could be wrong..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on July 10, 2009, 11:01:39 PM
Senior football

Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Attical
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 10, 2009, 11:04:45 PM
Gonna wait until closer to the time and see who is back form injury, one prediction from me and it looks as if i am on my own with it


Bredagh v Attical

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 10, 2009, 11:23:36 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 10, 2009, 11:04:45 PM
Gonna wait until closer to the time and see who is back form injury, one prediction from me and it looks as if i am on my own with it


Bredagh v Attical



Good tactics, going to join ya on that front
Title: Drumgath 0-4 2-16 St Pauls
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 10, 2009, 11:26:27 PM
What's the story here.
Surely something major has happened.  How could lowly St Pauls win away to Drumgath?????     
Title: Re: Drumgath 0-4 2-16 St Pauls
Post by: Square Ball on July 10, 2009, 11:30:37 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 10, 2009, 11:26:27 PM
What's the story here.
Surely something major has happened.  How could lowly St Pauls win away to Drumgath?????     

love DFs theory, Oxygenitius  :D

or one player scores 2-10 on his return, uummm let me see, wonder what the other teams will do when playing them
Title: Re: Drumgath 0-4 2-16 St Pauls
Post by: dundrumite on July 10, 2009, 11:38:52 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 10, 2009, 11:26:27 PM
What's the story here.
Surely something major has happened.  How could lowly St Pauls win away to Drumgath?????     

Que St. Paul's posters backlash, can't beat bita stirring  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on July 11, 2009, 03:48:02 AM
Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on July 11, 2009, 08:34:08 AM
Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone    
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Drumgath 0-4 2-16 St Pauls
Post by: passedit on July 11, 2009, 08:37:54 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 10, 2009, 11:30:37 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 10, 2009, 11:26:27 PM
What's the story here.
Surely something major has happened.  How could lowly St Pauls win away to Drumgath?????     

love DFs theory, Oxygenitius  :D

It's not rocket science lads, holiday season and all teams will be short a few, some more than others. Most teams accept it and play the hand they're dealt. (Most teams)

Quote from: Square Ball on July 10, 2009, 11:30:37 PM
or one player scores 2-10 on his return, uummm let me see, wonder what the other teams will do when playing them

Ye can stick two or three players on him if ye want or just stick scrappy on him and hope the both of them get sent off, we're just glad he's back. Couple more long termers due back soon so we might be a bit more competitive in the run in, whether it'll be enough to get out of the bottom four, only time will tell. Hell we might even keep it kicked out to ye on the 26th or the 3rd or whenever all your lads are back from their holliers  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on July 11, 2009, 09:08:38 AM
Senior football

Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on July 11, 2009, 12:24:52 PM
Senior football

Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo DON'T KNOW WHO WILL WIN THAT
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin[/b
]St Michaels v Glenn[/b
]Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 11, 2009, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 07, 2009, 06:08:24 PM
POWERADE SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2009
                                 
        TIME                   VENUE    REFEREE
   8/6/09    7.30    Liatroim    V    Longstone    Newcastle    D Laverty
   8/7/09    7.45    Bryansford    V    Kilcoo    Clonduff    B Rice
   8/8/09    6.00    Clann Na Banna    V    An Riocht    Castlewellan    L Morgan
   8/8/09    7.45    Loughinisland    V    Warrenpoint    Castlewellan    E O Hare
   8/9/09    3.30    Castlewellan     V    Saval    Burren    C Brannigan
   8/9/09    6.00    Mayobridge    V    Annaclone    Pairc Esler    G Brannigan
   8/9/09    7.45    Clonduff    V    Rostrevor    Pairc Esler    G Tumelty
   8/10/09    7.30    Ballyholand    V    Burren    Saval    G Corrigan
                                 

   8/6/09    7.30    Ardglass    V    Carryduff    Darragh Cross    C Reynolds
   8/7/09    6.30    Glas[b][/b]drumman    V    Drumaness    Clonduff    P Brannigan
   8/8/09    4.30    Shamrocks    V    Kilclief    Dundrum    J Burns
   8/9/09    2.30    Ballymartin    V    Drumgath    Burren    D Brogan
   8/10/09    7.30    Dundrum    V    Saul    Bright    J Killen
   8/10/09    7.30    Bredagh    V    Atticall    Loughinisland    M Rawlinson
   8/11/09    7.30    Downpatrick    V    Tullylish    Newcastle    B Andrews
   8/11/09    7.30    Darragh Cross    V    St Johns    Teconnaught    A Grant
                                 
     JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
   8/9/09    1.00    Dromara    V    Aughlisnafinn    Ballykinlar    E Mulvenna
   8/9/09    1.00    St Michaels    V    Glenn    Annaclone    E McGrath
   8/9/09    1.00    Mitchells    V    Teconnaught    Kilcoo    O Burke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on July 11, 2009, 03:45:08 PM
Senior Championship

Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on July 11, 2009, 03:48:23 PM
Good luck to the county hurlers in Croke Park today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on July 11, 2009, 06:27:53 PM
Senior Championship

Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren
Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Drumgath 0-4 2-16 St Pauls
Post by: DownFanatic on July 11, 2009, 07:15:07 PM
Quote from: passedit on July 11, 2009, 08:37:54 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 10, 2009, 11:30:37 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 10, 2009, 11:26:27 PM
What's the story here.
Surely something major has happened.  How could lowly St Pauls win away to Drumgath?????     

love DFs theory, Oxygenitius  :D

It's not rocket science lads, holiday season and all teams will be short a few, some more than others. Most teams accept it and play the hand they're dealt. (Most teams)

Quote from: Square Ball on July 10, 2009, 11:30:37 PM
or one player scores 2-10 on his return, uummm let me see, wonder what the other teams will do when playing them

Ye can stick two or three players on him if ye want or just stick scrappy on him and hope the both of them get sent off, we're just glad he's back. Couple more long termers due back soon so we might be a bit more competitive in the run in, whether it'll be enough to get out of the bottom four, only time will tell. Hell we might even keep it kicked out to ye on the 26th or the 3rd or whenever all your lads are back from their holliers  ;)

Scrappy - discipline issues? Never...

P.S - Was just nosying on the Dromara website there. In 1990 they beat Ballymartin in the Final of the IFC. Dromara were a Division 3 side that year.
The following year, 1991, they beat Rostrevor in the 1st Round of the SFC before going down narrowly to Downpatrick in the last 8, whilst still being a Division 3 team. Very interesting.
Title: Re: Drumgath 0-4 2-16 St Pauls
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on July 11, 2009, 07:25:54 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 10, 2009, 11:26:27 PM
What's the story here.
Surely something major has happened.  How could lowly St Pauls win away to Drumgath?????     

That would be the same Drumgath we beat Home and Away last season....Study the form dude, it was a cert!! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on July 12, 2009, 08:52:39 PM
Wicklow, have to be happy with that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on July 12, 2009, 09:47:36 PM
Get your money on these lot


Liatroim    V    Longstone
Bryansford    V    Kilcoo   
Clann Na Banna    V    An Riocht    
Loughinisland    V    Warrenpoint     
Castlewellan     V    Saval   
Mayobridge    V    Annaclone
Clonduff     V    Rostrevor     
Ballyholand    V    Burren     

Ardglass    V    Carryduff    
Glassdrumman     V    Drumaness   
Shamrocks     V    Kilclief     
Ballymartin     V    Drumgath   
Dundrum     V    Saul     Bright
Bredagh    V    Atticall     
Downpatrick      V    Tullylish   
Darragh Cross      V    St Johns   
                                   
     
Dromara    V    Aughlisnafinn   
St Michaels    V    Glenn   
Mitchells    V    Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on July 12, 2009, 11:39:12 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on July 12, 2009, 09:47:36 PM
Get your money on these lot


Liatroim    V    Longstone
Bryansford    V    Kilcoo   
Clann Na Banna    V    An Riocht    
Loughinisland    V    Warrenpoint     
Castlewellan     V    Saval   
Mayobridge    V    Annaclone
Clonduff     V    Rostrevor     
Ballyholand    V    Burren     

Ardglass    V    Carryduff    
Glassdrumman     V    Drumaness   
Shamrocks     V    Kilclief     
Ballymartin     V    Drumgath   
Dundrum     V    Saul     Bright
Bredagh    V    Atticall     
Downpatrick      V    Tullylish   
Darragh Cross      V    St Johns   
                                   
     
Dromara    V    Aughlisnafinn   
St Michaels    V    Glenn   
Mitchells    V    Teconnaught

Get the house on Kilclief for IFC. Form team in Div 2 as far as IFC is concerned
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 13, 2009, 01:57:45 PM
Does anyone know whatthe attendance was at the Down- Laois game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on July 13, 2009, 04:50:23 PM
Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone       
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul   (NB:if I can take the draw I will on this match)
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on July 13, 2009, 05:46:46 PM
QuoteGet the house on Kilclief for IFC. Form team in Div 2 as far as IFC is concerned

Would you give over!!  We have quite a few boys away on holiday for the Shamrocks game.

My effort:

Longstone
Bryansford  
An Riocht
Loughinisland    
Castlewellan  
Mayobridge
Rostrevor    
Ballyholland    

Carryduff    
Glasdrumman  (Edited in case Mourne Rover has a heart attack at my shite spelling  ;) ) 
Kilclief    
Ballymartin  
Dundrum
Atticall    
Downpatrick  
Darragh Cross
                                 
   
Dromara      
Glenn    
Teconnaught

What about Ballykinlar and Bright?  Do they come into the JFC next round?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 13, 2009, 07:42:20 PM
Quote from: No1 on July 13, 2009, 05:46:46 PM
QuoteGet the house on Kilclief for IFC. Form team in Div 2 as far as IFC is concerned

Would you give over!!  We have quite a few boys away on holiday for the Shamrocks game.

My effort:

Longstone
Bryansford  
An Riocht
Loughinisland    
Castlewellan  
Mayobridge
Rostrevor    
Ballyholland    

Carryduff    
Glasdrumman  (Edited in case Mourne Rover has a heart attack at my shite spelling  ;) ) 
Kilclief    
Ballymartin  
Dundrum
Atticall    
Downpatrick  
Darragh Cross
                                 
   
Dromara      
Glenn    
Teconnaught

What about Ballykinlar and Bright?  Do they come into the JFC next round?

I knew you would shoot that one down no 1, you had a few boys away versus RGU and that seemed tpo make no difference, but all on the day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 13, 2009, 08:34:33 PM
Congratulations to No1 on his ability to spell all three syllables of the Quarter Road's all Ireland champions. It seems like ages since anyone got it wrong on this site.  Here's my picks for the championship.

SFC

Longstone,
Bryansford,
An Riocht,
Loughinisland,
Saval,
Mayobridge,
Rostrevor,
Burren.

IFC

Carryduff,
Glasdrumman,
Kilclief,
Ballymartin,
Dundrum,
Bredagh,
Downpatrick,
Darragh Cross.

JFC

Dromara,
Glenn,
Teconnaught.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 13, 2009, 08:46:30 PM
Quote from: No1 on July 13, 2009, 05:46:46 PM
Quote

What about Ballykinlar and Bright?  Do they come into the JFC next round?

Ballykinlar will not be fielding in the JFC. The loses in Afganistan are killing them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on July 13, 2009, 09:47:35 PM
Lt Col McCashin assured me that the lads of 2 Para coming back from Iraq are more than adequate replacements.  Wing Commander Magennis was not so sure.

Dundrumite you could put 15 of our best sheep out against the RGU and they'd give it a hell of a rattle!  Hopefully the Shams wear green and white hooped jerseys for the championship game.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 13, 2009, 09:50:19 PM
Connolly Cup Quarter Final

Aughlisnafin 0-17  Bright 2-10

Castlewellan's Conor McCann is now playing for the Finn while Paul Flanagan is on his way there too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 13, 2009, 10:13:45 PM
Junior football Quarter final
Winners of three first round ties join the five teams below

St Pauls
Aghaderg
St John Bosco
Bright
Ballykinlar

Think the draw is already made if going by last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on July 14, 2009, 06:23:49 PM
Quote from: umpire on July 13, 2009, 10:13:45 PM
Junior football Quarter final
Winners of three first round ties join the five teams below

St Pauls
Aghaderg
St John Bosco
Bright
Ballykinlar

Think the draw is already made if going by last year.

We play Aghaderg at the 1/4 final stage, not sure what way the others are drawn.

Just back from a weekend away there so haven't had time to bite at the bait dangled out there by our esteemed Bredagh posters, but personally I couldn't care how many players Drumgath had at Oxygen, or the fact they have also lost a number of other players to the States, but we will take the 2 points all the same. as Passedit said, we have one player back from a long term injury and a few more to come back, so fingers crossed we kick on from here and pick up a few more points, and hope to escape out of the relegation places.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 14, 2009, 10:01:55 PM
Ardglass beat St Johns by 14 in the second quarter final in the Connolly Cup tonight.

Semi Final draw: Aughlisnafin v Ardglass + Teconnaught/Dromara v Ballykinlar/Dundrum
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 14, 2009, 10:19:42 PM
The Finn are making a bit of progess. Fair play to them for sticking at it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on July 14, 2009, 10:33:16 PM
Senior Championship

Liatriom v Longstone      
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on July 14, 2009, 11:11:56 PM
Senior Championship

Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on July 14, 2009, 11:48:36 PM
Not a down man but have a fair idea of who the duff teams are so i'll give it a shot anyway....

Liatroim    V    Longstone
Bryansford     V    Kilcoo   
Clann Na Banna    V    An Riocht     
Loughinisland     V    Warrenpoint     
Castlewellan     V    Saval     
Mayobridge    V    Annaclone
Clonduff     V    Rostrevor     
Ballyholand    V    Burren     

Ardglass    V    Carryduff      
Glassdrumman     V    Drumaness   
Shamrocks      V    Kilclief     
Ballymartin      V    Drumgath   
Dundrum      V    Saul     Bright 
Bredagh    V    Atticall     
Downpatrick      V    Tullylish   
Darragh Cross       V    St Johns   
                                   
     
Dromara    V    Aughlisnafinn   
St Michaels    V    Glenn      
Mitchells    V    Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 15, 2009, 01:04:12 AM
Some statistic from last year prediction league.


19 of First round games SFC, IFC and JFC
12 of Quarter final games SFC, IFC and JFC
6 of semi final games SFC, IFC and JFC

6 Finals of SFC, IFC, JFC, PRFC, RFC and MFC.

In total 43 games. Yet the top poster DownFanatic only got 31 correct.
Again this year, outright wins accepted only.

2008
First round leaders
DownFanatic and Niall Quinn got 17 of 19

Quarter final; top poster
BRIDGELAD with 8 out of 12

Semi final; top posters
DownFanatic, Niall Quinn, of the laces, Umpire, Minus 15, General, Square Ball, Statto-gael, Maiden 1, passedit, SQUAREBALL and eyeswideopen all have 4 out of 6. (nearly all posters went for Burren to beat Loughinisland and Aghaderg to beat Bright but both of them lost!!)

Finals
Only 1 poster got it all correct
D45, 6 out of 6 (lucky devil )


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fender on July 15, 2009, 03:29:21 AM
Have been a constant visitor to this thread, just really reading the craic. thought id give this aul leauge a stab. Some might be shocked with my pick of the finn!!!

Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone       
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul   
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on July 15, 2009, 07:55:24 AM
RIP    mickey annett


the man will never ever be forgot about the 'bridge! uncle of john clarke and cousin of benny coulter he was just a pure legend. i'm sure some of the posters on here knew mickey-not to many didn't-he just left an impression n everyone! it just showed yesterday how well thought of mickey was, the amount of people turned up to his funeral was unreal.  they'll still be talking bout him in years to come!!  i for one will never ever forget the man!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 15, 2009, 09:34:24 AM
An absolute character and yesterday was a fitting tribute to the man.  RIP – Mickey Annett
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 15, 2009, 11:47:53 AM
Michael Annett. Mayobridge/Ballymartin
Deepest sympathy to his wife, his family and the Poland family. R.I.P.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 15, 2009, 11:56:33 AM
Fender.

You have already entered your prediction on page 673 poster no 10080 and that the one will be in this prediction league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on July 15, 2009, 01:31:25 PM
Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone      
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: football-4-life on July 15, 2009, 01:40:05 PM
R.I.P Mickey Annett!! A True Legend!! Brillant Sports Man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on July 15, 2009, 03:31:17 PM
Ill give it rattle too.

Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone      
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall  (somebody has to)
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught





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Title: Re: Drumgath 0-4 2-16 St Pauls
Post by: Maiden1 on July 15, 2009, 03:43:29 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 11, 2009, 07:15:07 PM
Quote from: passedit on July 11, 2009, 08:37:54 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 10, 2009, 11:30:37 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 10, 2009, 11:26:27 PM
What's the story here.
Surely something major has happened.  How could lowly St Pauls win away to Drumgath?????     

love DFs theory, Oxygenitius  :D

It's not rocket science lads, holiday season and all teams will be short a few, some more than others. Most teams accept it and play the hand they're dealt. (Most teams)

Quote from: Square Ball on July 10, 2009, 11:30:37 PM
or one player scores 2-10 on his return, uummm let me see, wonder what the other teams will do when playing them

Ye can stick two or three players on him if ye want or just stick scrappy on him and hope the both of them get sent off, we're just glad he's back. Couple more long termers due back soon so we might be a bit more competitive in the run in, whether it'll be enough to get out of the bottom four, only time will tell. Hell we might even keep it kicked out to ye on the 26th or the 3rd or whenever all your lads are back from their holliers  ;)

Scrappy - discipline issues? Never...

P.S - Was just nosying on the Dromara website there. In 1990 they beat Ballymartin in the Final of the IFC. Dromara were a Division 3 side that year.
The following year, 1991, they beat Rostrevor in the 1st Round of the SFC before going down narrowly to Downpatrick in the last 8, whilst still being a Division 3 team. Very interesting.


They did well.  They went from playing in the reserve league to mid table division 2 in a few years and won the Intermediate championship as well.  Donal 'Duck' Bell was player manager of them then, he managed Mayobridge when they won there first league title since the 50's not long after he left Dromara.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on July 15, 2009, 04:47:02 PM
Senior Championship

Liatriom v Longstone      
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on July 15, 2009, 04:57:29 PM
Well said bridgegael. Will be deeply missed around Mayobridge. He has done fantastic work with the underage teams from the last 10 years. His enthusiasm for football rubbed off on the young players and you will never find anyone who has a bad word to say about him. One of the most entertaining and enthusiastic men I have have ever met, and he will be deeply missed by everyone in Mayobridge and beyond.

RIP Mickey Annett
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 15, 2009, 05:01:16 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on July 15, 2009, 07:55:24 AM
RIP    mickey annett


the man will never ever be forgot about the 'bridge! uncle of john clarke and cousin of benny coulter he was just a pure legend. i'm sure some of the posters on here knew mickey-not to many didn't-he just left an impression n everyone! it just showed yesterday how well thought of mickey was, the amount of people turned up to his funeral was unreal.  they'll still be talking bout him in years to come!!  i for one will never ever forget the man!!

A legend who will be deeply missed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 15, 2009, 06:05:59 PM
R.I.P Mickey a very likeable personality who will be sorely missed by Mayobridge and his large family around Mourne! Very sad...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on July 15, 2009, 07:28:13 PM
RIP Mickey

God given talent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 15, 2009, 10:19:18 PM
Connolly Cup Quarter Final
Teconnaught 0-07  Dromara 0-08

Ballykinlar play Dundrum tomorrow night in the last remaining quarter final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 16, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
Sad news about Michael Annett.Knew him as a child and played against him many times- always hard but fair, big smile on his face afterwards and full of craic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 16, 2009, 09:41:38 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on July 16, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
Sad news about Michael Annett.Knew him as a child and played against him many times- always hard but fair, big smile on his face afterwards and full of craic.

Been away from the board for a while.  Was shocked to read this.  Is this the same Micky (I knew him as Michael) brother of Raymond, and Martin? 
If so how young and how sad.  I remember him very fondly.  A good gael from a good gael family.
( If I've got the wrong Micky I apologise)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on July 16, 2009, 09:49:07 PM
Ross Carr has named the same 15 that started against Laois for this Saturdays clash against Wicklow.

The following is the Down team to take on Wicklow on Saturday:

Brendan McVeigh
Ciaran McGovern
Kevin McKernan
Damian Rafferty
Timmy Hanna
Paul Murphy
Conor Garvey
Dan Gordon
Stephen Kearney     
Ambrose Rogers
Conor Maginn
Brendan McArdle
Brendan Coulter
Paul McCumiskey
Daniel Hughes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 17, 2009, 01:13:15 PM
Connolly Cup Quarter Final
Ballykinlar 1-10  Dundrum 1-14

Semi Finals
Aughlisnafin v Ardglass (Monday)
Dromara v Dundrum (Tuesday)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 17, 2009, 02:19:16 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 17, 2009, 01:13:15 PM
Connolly Cup Quarter Final
Ballykinlar 1-10  Dundrum 1-14

Semi Finals
Aughlisnafin v Ardglass (Monday)
Dromara v Dundrum (Tuesday)


Tight enough there in the Q/F. Did Ballykinlar have a few back or were Dundrum missing more than Comiskey?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 17, 2009, 09:59:40 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 17, 2009, 02:19:16 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 17, 2009, 01:13:15 PM
Connolly Cup Quarter Final
Ballykinlar 1-10  Dundrum 1-14

Semi Finals
Aughlisnafin v Ardglass (Monday)
Dromara v Dundrum (Tuesday)


Tight enough there in the Q/F. Did Ballykinlar have a few back or were Dundrum missing more than Comiskey?

We had a reasonably strong team out but we played very badly continuing on from our diabolical performance against Saul in the League. We are struggling for consistency and seem to be going through a transient bad patch which most teams get now and again.

Last year's humbling in Division 2 took a lot of momentum out of the team and we are currently in the process of rebuilding.

Nevertheless, Ballykinlar give it a hell of a shot but in reality this was a cup game and probably doesnt reflect the true ability of both teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on July 18, 2009, 12:33:57 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 16, 2009, 09:41:38 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on July 16, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
Sad news about Michael Annett.Knew him as a child and played against him many times- always hard but fair, big smile on his face afterwards and full of craic.

Been away from the board for a while.  Was shocked to read this.  Is this the same Micky (I knew him as Michael) brother of Raymond, and Martin? 
If so how young and how sad.  I remember him very fondly.  A good gael from a good gael family.
( If I've got the wrong Micky I apologise)

Yes unfortunately the same Michael Annett brother of Raymond + Martin.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 18, 2009, 09:56:57 PM
Time for Ross to go. Bringing on hs son afetr 19 minutes for a player who was doing OK is a travesty. Ross, you were a great player but as a manager you are clueless, slan!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 18, 2009, 10:00:03 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on July 18, 2009, 09:56:57 PM
Time for Ross to go. Bringing on hs son afetr 19 minutes for a player who was doing OK is a travesty. Ross, you were a great player but as a manager you are clueless, slan!

Correct town gael. That was a disgrace. Ross got most other calls right today but loosing to Wicklow is simply not good enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 19, 2009, 01:32:55 PM
The Minors lost
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 19, 2009, 01:39:55 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on July 18, 2009, 09:56:57 PM
Time for Ross to go. Bringing on hs son afetr 19 minutes for a player who was doing OK is a travesty. Ross, you were a great player but as a manager you are clueless, slan!

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=12289.0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 19, 2009, 05:30:57 PM
I know this has been suggested time and time again but are there any other players in the county at the moment that would be good enough to start on our current team?

Clarke and Walsh the obvious ones. Anyone else?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 19, 2009, 05:53:51 PM
I'm not sure if there is a probable Championship starter in the county who isn't already on the panel - and that includes Walsh and Clarke, neither of whom has proven reliable enough on hard ground to merit that accolade.

There are some fellas on the panel who shouldn't be next nor near it, but they're only warming seats on then bus at this time of year anyway.

To be fair to him, Ross has given most fellas a bite at the cherry over the past couple of years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 19, 2009, 08:12:10 PM
quote "To be fair to him, Ross has given most fellas a bite at the cherry over the past couple of years."

Aye right, esp his son.  How did he get on when Tim Hanna was dong well? 

I like Ross big time but think he has become blinkered and no longer not capable of managing at at inter-county level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 19, 2009, 08:17:45 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 19, 2009, 05:30:57 PM
I know this has been suggested time and time again but are there any other players in the county at the moment that would be good enough to start on our current team?

Clarke and Walsh the obvious ones. Anyone else?

James Colgan. A born winner and still only 22.
James McGovern 24 and a decent player, better than many lads on squad.
Sean Parr 22, consistent and versitile player with Rostrevor.
Clarke and Walsh more than capabale.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 19, 2009, 09:17:36 PM
QuoteJames Colgan. A born winner and still only 22.
James McGovern 24 and a decent player, better than many lads on squad.
Sean Parr 22, consistent and versitile player with Rostrevor.
Clarke and Walsh more than capabale.

So all told, you've suggested:

1. A midfielder who regularly couldn't make his college's Sigerson team, despite being a marquee name.
2. A player who has never settled as a half-forward, full-forward or half-back for his club, let alone county.
3. A useful utility player who just doesn't have the physical attributes to establish himself as a serious county player.
4. Two players who have lots of Championship experience, but very few Championship hghlights between them.


Don't get me wrong, all 5 of those are worth a place in a Down squad. But when it comes to a Championship team, all of them are forwards or midfielders, and none of them have the attributes that would see them close to guaranteed a spot in Down's midfield or forward line. So they aren't terrible ommissions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 19, 2009, 09:45:47 PM
Thewobbler, I have to disagree with you on Walsh and Clarke. Walsh is proving himself on the club scene at the minute to be worthy a starting place for Down while for  Clarke has always done a job for the county when asked- he may not have been a stood out but not many playing his role stand out like a free scoring corner forward does.
At the end of the day everyone seems to agree Ross is not the man for the jon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 19, 2009, 10:08:02 PM
I'd agree. Ross and DJ aren't the men for the job.

I'll be fair here and point out that unlike their predecessor, they at least got the team to perform with a bit of passion and drive in the qualifiers - so a step in the right direction was made. Down have also made significant strides in really competing for breaking ball in recent seasons.

But, in most other aspects of management they did little to improve to Paddy O'Rourke's failings and in some instances seemed to wallow in protecting tose failings.

The attacking strategy still too often reduced to an aimless hoof towards Coulter's corner. The brevity of leadership, nastiness and cuteness in Down teams. Forwards being rotated randomly for no good reason, even when playing effectively in one position. Random substitutions that seemingly owed more to who was doing well in training than being of tactical / positional benefit to the team. A preference for using the league for experimentation rather than for building a settled team spine. An unwillingness to trust real defenders at full-back and centre-back, preferring instead to crucify more gifted talents of limited defensive nous in those key positions. The sheer unwillingness to accept that sometimes, against some teams, you simply need 8 players on the pitch whose first thoughts surround protecting their own goal. Clouded judgement about players from their own clubs. Naming the wrong team in the paper. Leaving players wondering if they might be playing Championship football right up the night before a big game.

The good thing for Down football is that most of these failings could be addressed quickly. The bad thing for Down football is that I imagine our county board won't pursue a candidate who might try to do this, instead favouring someone who will continue to "play the Down way".

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on July 19, 2009, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 19, 2009, 10:08:02 PM
The good thing for Down football is that most of these failings could be addressed quickly. The bad thing for Down football is that I imagine our county board won't pursue a candidate who might try to do this, instead favouring someone who will continue to "play the Down way".

Who do the members of this board think the next Down manager will be?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 19, 2009, 11:02:38 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 19, 2009, 09:17:36 PM
QuoteJames Colgan. A born winner and still only 22.
James McGovern 24 and a decent player, better than many lads on squad.
Sean Parr 22, consistent and versitile player with Rostrevor.
Clarke and Walsh more than capabale.

So all told, you've suggested:

1. A midfielder who regularly couldn't make his college's Sigerson team, despite being a marquee name.
2. A player who has never settled as a half-forward, full-forward or half-back for his club, let alone county.
3. A useful utility player who just doesn't have the physical attributes to establish himself as a serious county player.
4. Two players who have lots of Championship experience, but very few Championship hghlights between them.


Don't get me wrong, all 5 of those are worth a place in a Down squad. But when it comes to a Championship team, all of them are forwards or midfielders, and none of them have the attributes that would see them close to guaranteed a spot in Down's midfield or forward line. So they aren't terrible ommissions.


I am not suggesting these men will make Down a major force, im saying they are all quality players who perform consistently. I believe they are much better footballers than what we have on the current squad. With the exception off Hughes, Dan and Benny these men are as good as the rest, especially Walsh and Clarke. James Colgan started for UUJ this year i can confirm for a fact and was third choice midfielder in the sigerson winning team to two current county stars. Men like Jamie ORielly cant make the QUB squad and is on Down squad. An outside man is required in Down that will give all posible county players a fair crack at it and have the team playing to a system that does not involve cross field short passing that we witnessed so much this year. The current squad are not doing it so a change in management is imperative or we will be no further on this time next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on July 19, 2009, 11:14:16 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 19, 2009, 11:02:38 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 19, 2009, 09:17:36 PM
QuoteJames Colgan. A born winner and still only 22.
James McGovern 24 and a decent player, better than many lads on squad.
Sean Parr 22, consistent and versitile player with Rostrevor.
Clarke and Walsh more than capabale.

So all told, you've suggested:

1. A midfielder who regularly couldn't make his college's Sigerson team, despite being a marquee name.
2. A player who has never settled as a half-forward, full-forward or half-back for his club, let alone county.
3. A useful utility player who just doesn't have the physical attributes to establish himself as a serious county player.
4. Two players who have lots of Championship experience, but very few Championship hghlights between them.


Don't get me wrong, all 5 of those are worth a place in a Down squad. But when it comes to a Championship team, all of them are forwards or midfielders, and none of them have the attributes that would see them close to guaranteed a spot in Down's midfield or forward line. So they aren't terrible ommissions.


I am not suggesting these men will make Down a major force, im saying they are all quality players who perform consistently. I believe they are much better footballers than what we have on the current squad. With the exception off Hughes, Dan and Benny these men are as good as the rest, especially Walsh and Clarke. James Colgan started for UUJ this year i can confirm for a fact and was third choice midfielder in the sigerson winning team to two current county stars. Men like Jamie ORielly cant make the QUB squad and is on Down squad. An outside man is required in Down that will give all posible county players a fair crack at it and have the team playing to a system that does not involve cross field short passing that we witnessed so much this year. The current squad are not doing it so a change in management is imperative or we will be no further on this time next year.

what he said
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 19, 2009, 11:38:57 PM
QuoteI am not suggesting these men will make Down a major force, im saying they are all quality players who perform consistently. I believe they are much better footballers than what we have on the current squad. With the exception off Hughes, Dan and Benny these men are as good as the rest, especially Walsh and Clarke. James Colgan started for UUJ this year i can confirm for a fact and was third choice midfielder in the sigerson winning team to two current county stars. Men like Jamie ORielly cant make the QUB squad and is on Down squad. An outside man is required in Down that will give all posible county players a fair crack at it and have the team playing to a system that does not involve cross field short passing that we witnessed so much this year. The current squad are not doing it so a change in management is imperative or we will be no further on this time next year.

We could go around in circles with the Walsh /  Clarke situation forever. It remind me so much of Darren Fletcher's absence from the Champions League final being held up as an excuse for United's performance. Yes Fletcher is a capable performer, but no he is not the difference between United being contenders and also rans, not even close. Same with Walsh and Clarke. Both very, very capable players, but at the same time more distinguished in their absence than in their presence.


The bottom line for me is that the squads Ross and DJ have selected over the past few years have, by and large, been on the mark. As was the case during Paddy O'Rourke's tenure. Getting the best out of the 30-35 assembled players has been the problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on July 20, 2009, 07:25:00 AM
Been told that Ross is quitting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: loughshore lad on July 20, 2009, 09:13:38 AM
What are the thoughts on Paddy Tally around the Mournes?

How did he perform in his role as coach?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on July 20, 2009, 09:25:17 AM
Quote from: loughshore lad on July 20, 2009, 09:13:38 AM
What are the thoughts on Paddy Tally around the Mournes?

How did he perform in his role as coach?
My understanding is that he is held in high regard by the players.
Ross is also highly regraded by most of the players.
There have been mixed messages re Ross's intentions but lets hope we do not get the theatricals of the last managers departure and that all sentimentality re Pete McGrath is put to bed.
If we are to get a new manager it has to be from outside the county as there are no stand out choices internally.
Our way back to the top table will not be swift irrespective of recent minor and U 21 successes and if we do manage quick improvement in senior football it will be despite of rather than because of our set up.
The whole set up in Down needs sorted re coaching structures and juvenile set up.
Unfortunately we do not have the personnel at Co Board level with the vision to lead on this.
A fantastic opportunity was missed when the paid post came up to put a visionary in place so I do not see much change there in the next few years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on July 20, 2009, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 19, 2009, 11:38:57 PM
QuoteI am not suggesting these men will make Down a major force, im saying they are all quality players who perform consistently. I believe they are much better footballers than what we have on the current squad. With the exception off Hughes, Dan and Benny these men are as good as the rest, especially Walsh and Clarke. James Colgan started for UUJ this year i can confirm for a fact and was third choice midfielder in the sigerson winning team to two current county stars. Men like Jamie ORielly cant make the QUB squad and is on Down squad. An outside man is required in Down that will give all posible county players a fair crack at it and have the team playing to a system that does not involve cross field short passing that we witnessed so much this year. The current squad are not doing it so a change in management is imperative or we will be no further on this time next year.

We could go around in circles with the Walsh /  Clarke situation forever. It remind me so much of Darren Fletcher's absence from the Champions League final being held up as an excuse for United's performance. Yes Fletcher is a capable performer, but no he is not the difference between United being contenders and also rans, not even close. Same with Walsh and Clarke. Both very, very capable players, but at the same time more distinguished in their absence than in their presence.


The bottom line for me is that the squads Ross and DJ have selected over the past few years have, by and large, been on the mark. As was the case during Paddy O'Rourke's tenure. Getting the best out of the 30-35 assembled players has been the problem.


correct wobbler.

Ross and DJ cannot be faulted for not giving boys a chance. they looked to all divisions and definitely selected the best players from the smaller clubs.

as you say getting the best out of the players available is the main problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 20, 2009, 01:50:47 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on July 20, 2009, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 19, 2009, 11:38:57 PM
QuoteI am not suggesting these men will make Down a major force, im saying they are all quality players who perform consistently. I believe they are much better footballers than what we have on the current squad. With the exception off Hughes, Dan and Benny these men are as good as the rest, especially Walsh and Clarke. James Colgan started for UUJ this year i can confirm for a fact and was third choice midfielder in the sigerson winning team to two current county stars. Men like Jamie ORielly cant make the QUB squad and is on Down squad. An outside man is required in Down that will give all posible county players a fair crack at it and have the team playing to a system that does not involve cross field short passing that we witnessed so much this year. The current squad are not doing it so a change in management is imperative or we will be no further on this time next year.

We could go around in circles with the Walsh /  Clarke situation forever. It remind me so much of Darren Fletcher's absence from the Champions League final being held up as an excuse for United's performance. Yes Fletcher is a capable performer, but no he is not the difference between United being contenders and also rans, not even close. Same with Walsh and Clarke. Both very, very capable players, but at the same time more distinguished in their absence than in their presence.


The bottom line for me is that the squads Ross and DJ have selected over the past few years have, by and large, been on the mark. As was the case during Paddy O'Rourke's tenure. Getting the best out of the 30-35 assembled players has been the problem.


correct wobbler.

Ross and DJ cannot be faulted for not giving boys a chance. they looked to all divisions and definitely selected the best players from the smaller clubs.

as you say getting the best out of the players available is the main problem.

Yeah they looked too much into lower divisions and ignored top clubs like Kilcoo, Castlewellan, Longstone and Rostrevor. There are about ten players from these clubs who didnt get a chance and deserved a chance. There are players on current squad who would find it difficult to break into a top 6 division 1 side. The way the Clarke and Walsh cases where handled is the main problem. Both players deserved better after the sercive they gave to Down since 1999. No one is saying they would have made a major difference but they should have been there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 20, 2009, 02:02:07 PM
This week's Fixtures

Sun 26th July 2 00 throw in
ACFL Div 1 Longstone v Castlewellan(C Reynolds)  Burren v Loughinisland(D Brogan)  Rostrevor v Liatroim(N Morgan)  Mayobridge v Bryansford(J Burns) Saval v Warrenpoint(C Brannigan)

ACFL Div 2 Downpatrick v Clann na Banna(L Morgan)  Atticall v Kilclief(N Cousins) Carryduff v Annaclone(D Laverty)  Ballyholland v Ballymartin(S O Hanlon)  Darragh Cross v An Riocht(P Brannigan)  Shamrocks v Glasdrumman(E O Hare)

ACFL Div 3 Tullylish v Drumaness(C Broderick)  Glenn v Saul(B Rice) St Johns v Aghaderg(M Rawlinson)  Dundrum v Teconnaught(M Curran)  Ardglass v Drumgath(A Grant) St Pauls v Bredagh(Aug 4th)

ACFL Div 4 St Micheals v Aughlisnafinn(E Mc Grath)  Bright v Ballykinlar(G Brannigan) Mitchels v Dromara(D Kearns)

Mon 27th July 7 30
ACFL Div 1 Clonduff v Kilcoo(D Moore)

ACPRC  Castlewellan v An Riocht(D Cotter)   Annaclone v Mayobridge(E Mc Carthy) Carryduff v Ballymartin(M Curran)  Loughinisland v Burren(O Burke)  Tullylish v Rostrevor(P Mc Dade)   Liatroim v Ballyholland(D Kearns)  Warrenpoint v Bryansford(P Mc Clorey)

RFC Burren v Mayobridge(M O Rourke)  Ardglass v Kilclief(P Mc Cartan)  St Johns v St John Bosco(F Holland)  Drumaness v Glenn(C Mc Alinden)  Bryansford v Teconnaught(J Mc Mullan)  Clann na Banna v Rostrevor(E Mc Grath)  Castlewellan v Bredagh(B Cousins)

Tues 28th 7 30 ACPRC Clonduff v Downpatrick(D Ryan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 20, 2009, 02:25:49 PM
They certainly gave players form lower clubs a chance- last season there were 7 Shamrocks players on the initial Down panel !! 7 players they thought were county standard yet weren't good enough to get out of Division 2!!!
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 20, 2009, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on July 20, 2009, 02:25:49 PM
They certainly gave players form lower clubs a chance- last season there were 7 Shamrocks players on the initial Down panel !! 7 players they thought were county standard yet weren't good enough to get out of Division 2!!!

They'll be getting out of it this year alright :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on July 20, 2009, 03:06:46 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 20, 2009, 03:39:49 PM
Wobbler's point is well made, as by and large we have had our best players in the county squad. It is also correct that Walsh and Clarke would not have single-handedly transformed our season, but they remain useful and experienced performers  who would have added competition for places and their omission provided an entirely unnecessary focus for discontent. Both would have to be rated ahead of McArdle, who started our final game against Wicklow, and Boyle and Fegan, who both came off the bench, on all known form.

Of the other names mentioned, James McGovern previously had an extended run in both league and championship without really making the grade. Parr has always looked a decent prospect at both club and underage level, and should at least be in the next McKenna Cup squad. Colgan seems to be a much more complex story.  He may lack pace, but he is strong, confident and uses the ball well - his long fist passes alone would give us a useful option, and he has proved himself at minor, u21 and Sigerson level. He made a reasonable, if belated, debut against Armagh in the USC last year, but was immediately dropped for the rest of the qualifiers and has not had a look in since. While this is probably down to attitude, he should still get at least a couple of league games to allow a considered decision on his worth.

However, regardless of who is in charge next year, they will still have to work with the same basic resources. Our team selections have generally started with something which is fairly close to the best 15, but our tactics and our use of subs have been frequently ineffective.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 20, 2009, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on July 20, 2009, 03:39:49 PM
Wobbler's point is well made, as by and large we have had our best players in the county squad. It is also correct that Walsh and Clarke would not have single-handedly transformed our season, but they remain useful and experienced performers  who would have added competition for places and their omission provided an entirely unnecessary focus for discontent. Both would have to be rated ahead of McArdle, who started our final game against Wicklow, and Boyle and Fegan, who both came off the bench, on all known form.

Of the other names mentioned, James McGovern previously had an extended run in both league and championship without really making the grade. Parr has always looked a decent prospect at both club and underage level, and should at least be in the next McKenna Cup squad. Colgan seems to be a much more complex story.  He may lack pace, but he is strong, confident and uses the ball well - his long fist passes alone would give us a useful option, and he has proved himself at minor, u21 and Sigerson level. He made a reasonable, if belated, debut against Armagh in the USC last year, but was immediately dropped for the rest of the qualifiers and has not had a look in since. While this is probably down to attitude, he should still get at least a couple of league games to allow a considered decision on his worth.

However, regardless of who is in charge next year, they will still have to work with the same basic resources. Our team selections have generally started with something which is fairly close to the best 15, but our tactics and our use of subs have been frequently ineffective.

You hit the nail on the head with everything you said Mourne Rover. This is exactly the thoughts off many Down gaels. Ross tried, didnt please everyone but 3 years is plenty for any man who is unsucessful in inter county management. Ross would be better off stepping down now and let someone else at it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 20, 2009, 05:38:33 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 20, 2009, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on July 20, 2009, 02:25:49 PM
They certainly gave players form lower clubs a chance- last season there were 7 Shamrocks players on the initial Down panel !! 7 players they thought were county standard yet weren't good enough to get out of Division 2!!!

They'll be getting out of it this year alright :)

Are they looking likely for relegation? how on earth are shamrocks in this position with the players they have available to them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 20, 2009, 11:02:37 PM
Connolly Cup Semi Final
Aughlisnafin 0-06  Ardglass 1-15

Ardglass have now made their seventh final in a row and are going for their seventh successive success in this tournament.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on July 21, 2009, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on July 20, 2009, 02:25:49 PM
They certainly gave players form lower clubs a chance- last season there were 7 Shamrocks players on the initial Down panel !! 7 players they thought were county standard yet weren't good enough to get out of Division 2!!!

THANK f**k THE SHAMROCKS PLAYERS WILL NOT GET BACK ON THE PANEL IF THEM TWO NOBS DONT GET BACK IN! WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DEE RAFF!
IT WAS A COMPLETE JOKE TO HAVE SEVEN ON THE PANEL! NEARLY AS BAD AS CARR TAKING ON AIDAN ON SAT, JOKE!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on July 21, 2009, 10:11:54 PM
While the decision to take young Hanna off was a strange one, I dont think Aidan Carrs inclusion in the team can be questioned. He is a fine footballer, though not a defender in my book, and would be on the team no matter who is managing the team.
At what stage was there 7 Shamrocks players on the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on July 21, 2009, 10:25:00 PM
Shamrocks players on County panel
1. Damian Rafferty
2. Martin Rafferty
3. Kevin McGuigan
4. Hugh Davey
5 Brendan Loughran
6.?
7.?
Fill in the blanks?

A Carr has been tried at full back, half back, left half back, chf - He has had plently of opportunitys, alot more than others on the panel. the damage his man usually does over rules his free taking conversions. whilst he has the potential to be a good club player, i doubt his abilty at inter county level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 21, 2009, 10:26:05 PM
Connolly Cup Semi Final
Dromara 0-03  Dundrum 2-11

Ardglass v Dundrum in the Final on Friday night at 8pm.
Dromara v Ardglass in the Damien McCashin Shield Final at 7.15pm on Friday night.

Ardglass beat Aghaderg 6-12 to 0-06 in Division 3 last Friday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 21, 2009, 10:45:12 PM
I think Kieran Courtney and Eoin Magennis were called up at one stage, although I don't know if either accepted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on July 21, 2009, 10:52:35 PM
I dont recall Loughran ever being on the panel and if you exclude Martin Rafferty then the other 3 are/were there on merit. McGuigan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 22, 2009, 01:49:15 PM
Brendan Loughran has been there 3 years and dont think played a game because he was always injured but he remained on squad.
Aidan Carr is worth his place on squad surely but he is an average player and will never be in the same league as his father as a footballer. He is free taker for Down but is 4th choice free taker for Clonduff behind John Fegan, Jason Brown and Finbar McConnville. This is indeed very strange. In Aidans defence i think he has been thrown about in too many positions under Ross. In his first season he wore number 11 and since has been half back, Full back and then wing forward against Fermanagh this year.
I also dont understand how Peter Turley, Kevin Duffin and Peter Fitzpatrick who where deemed good enough to start against Fermanagh have seen no game time since. There was a lot worse players than these guys that day. In 3 years Ross has got no where near a settled consistent team. I think in 3 years managing the same bunch of players you should be close to knowing your best team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 22, 2009, 03:19:12 PM
Senior Championship

Liatriom v Longstone       
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on July 22, 2009, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 22, 2009, 01:49:15 PM
Brendan Loughran has been there 3 years and dont think played a game because he was always injured but he remained on squad.

Dont think he ever made the championship panel, I know he played a few games when Ross first took over but cannot recall him appearing since.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 22, 2009, 04:00:56 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 22, 2009, 03:19:12 PM
Senior Championship

Liatriom v Longstone       
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught

A few bold calls there T O'Hare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 22, 2009, 04:04:48 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 22, 2009, 04:00:56 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 22, 2009, 03:19:12 PM
Senior Championship

Liatriom v Longstone       
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught

A few bold calls there T O'Hare.

I would call it wishful thinking :D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on July 22, 2009, 04:45:36 PM

Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo 
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval 
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 22, 2009, 08:45:18 PM
do we have to pick winners of alll the championships?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 23, 2009, 12:01:16 AM
Square Ball

19 of First round games SFC, IFC and JFC
12 of Quarter final games SFC, IFC and JFC
6 of semi final games SFC, IFC and JFC

6 Finals of SFC, IFC, JFC, PRFC, RFC and MFC.

In total 43 games.
Again this year, outright wins accepted only.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 23, 2009, 12:04:42 AM
Previous meetings

2008 First round,
Liatriom 1.10 Longstone 2.7

Liatriom
Hugh Smyth
Declan O'Prey, Aidan Rice, Martin Armstrong;
Joe Malone, Micheal McCartan, Aidan Brown;
Colin McCrickard 0.1, Tommy Armstrong;
Dan Morgan, PP McCartan 0.2, PD Savage;
Paul Burns 0.1, Aidan O'Prey 1.2, Declan Burns 0.4;
Subs used
Liam Morgan, Paul Brennan and Jarlath Austin.

Longstone
Adrain Poland,
Glen Burden, Eamon Quinn, Cormac Poland;
Mark Doran, Barry Kelly, Conor Smith;
Peter Trainor, Conor Poland;
Adrain Trainor 0.1, Barry Doran 0.4, Gerard Quinn;
John Magee, Ryan Kelly 1.1, Stephen Doran 1.1
Subs used
Mark Harrison Gary Trainor and Michael Ireland

2008 First round replay
Liatriom 0.7 Longstone 0.5

Liatriom team
Hugh Smyth
Declan O'Prey, Aidan Rice, Martin Armstrong;
Joe Malone, Micheal McCartan, Aidan Brown;
Colin McCrickard, Tommy Armstrong;
Dan Morgan, PP McCartan 0.6, PD Savage;
Paul Burns, Aidan O'Prey 0.1, Liam Morgan;
Subs used
Rory Burns and Jarlath Austin.

Longstone team
Adrain Poland,
Glen Burden, Eamon Quinn, Cormac Poland;
Mark Harrison, Barry Kelly, Conor Smith;
John Magee, Conor Poland 0.1;
Adrain Trainor 0.1, Barry Doran 0.2, Gary Trainor;
Mark Poland, Ryan Kelly, Stephen Doran
Subs used
K Doran 0.1 and Micheal Ireland

2004 Senior Final
Mayobridge 4.14 Annaclone 0.8

Mayobridge team
Sean Featherstone,
Gavin Barry, Kieran O'Hare, Ronan O'Hare;
Brendan Grant, Francis Poland 0.1, Darragh Tighe;
Eoghan Woods. Declan Rooney 0.1;
Noel Sexton 0.3, Benny Coulter 2.4, Adrain Barry 1.0;
John Quinn 0.1, Mickey Linden 0.2, Robbie Coulter;
Subs used
Conrad Fegan and Paul Cunningham 1.0

Annaclone team
Mark McNeill;
Peter McColgan, Benny McArdle, Gary McArdle;
John Haughey, Colm Farrell, Gary Burns;
Sean Pyres, Kevin Doyle;
Colm Fegan 0.4, Gerard Fegan 0.3, Thomas Pyres;
Martin Farrell, Paul Burns, Martin McAleenan;
Subs used
?. Fegan 0.1 Conor McConville and Daniel McCusker.

Don't have any recent record of other 6 games in Senior Championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on July 23, 2009, 10:16:37 AM
The Shamrocks thing I know pissed a lot of people off. Hugh Davey was home a few weeks & brought straight in yet boys who had been playing away all year & possibly shouldve been on it were left in the cold.
No offence to Shamrocks at all but there Div II side of last year wouldve been lucky to have two men you could nominate for the county never mind the seven.
It showed the clubs there was an obvious bias towards selection & I think the two of the (DJ in particular) lost a lot of credibiltiy over it.

I agree Aidan Carr has been played all over the place but anytime he's played he's been very poor. He isn't a natural free taker but then maybe he's one of a few prepared to step up & hit them.
The incident with Clarke in the Winter showed again certain boys had one rule & others obeyed a different one. Ross has done nothing in his tenure to justify another year & results speak for themselves.
There are certain boys that no matter how bad they play they will stay on & Saturday past proved this. Hanna was the scapegoat & even the media cried foul over it!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on July 23, 2009, 11:42:33 AM
Quote from: guevara on July 23, 2009, 10:16:37 AM
The Shamrocks thing I know pissed a lot of people off. Hugh Davey was home a few weeks & brought straight in yet boys who had been playing away all year & possibly shouldve been on it were left in the cold.
No offence to Shamrocks at all but there Div II side of last year wouldve been lucky to have two men you could nominate for the county never mind the seven.
It showed the clubs there was an obvious bias towards selection & I think the two of the (DJ in particular) lost a lot of credibiltiy over it.

I agree Aidan Carr has been played all over the place but anytime he's played he's been very poor. He isn't a natural free taker but then maybe he's one of a few prepared to step up & hit them.
The incident with Clarke in the Winter showed again certain boys had one rule & others obeyed a different one. Ross has done nothing in his tenure to justify another year & results speak for themselves.
There are certain boys that no matter how bad they play they will stay on & Saturday past proved this. Hanna was the scapegoat & even the media cried foul over it!!
That is simply not true. You could not have attended many games over the last couple of years if you draw that conclusion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on July 23, 2009, 11:51:03 AM
Quite the opposite in fact Western Exile!!
I've been to the majority of games over the past few years including McKenna Cup.
Why is it that as soon as you disagree with somebody's opinion on here they jump to the conclusion that you are a "Sofa Supporter"????.
In "my opinion" Aidan Carr hasnt fulfilled the obvious potential he has this year!
The truth is a lot of the fellas on that team will never be hauled ashore no matter how poorly they perform. There is a definite clique of some sort but that may not be the actual players fault more to do with management giving certain boys "untouchable" status
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on July 23, 2009, 11:56:52 AM
So if you mean "this year" then maybe....   But you said "anytime he has played"  which is simply not true
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 23, 2009, 12:13:43 PM
complete pointless argument. Aidan Carr is well fit for county colours and is a very decent footballer, end of story.
Move along now, nothing here to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on July 23, 2009, 12:26:50 PM
Apologies I was referring to this year!
Brick nobody is questioning whether the fella is good enough to wear the shirt.
Like most supporters Im a bit disillusioned with management decisions regarding him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 23, 2009, 12:47:09 PM
In my opinion Aidan Carr was Down's best performer over the 2008 Championship, when his loose marking from half-back was more than compensated by his playmaking ability. He was one of the real leaders of the team last year.

He didn't have a good 2009. But how many Down players have turned in back-to-back big seasons for us in recent years?

To suggest he isn't county standard is madness.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 23, 2009, 01:38:30 PM
Aidan Carr is well worth his place on the county panel. But he has had some poor games and was left on the pitch. He should have been subtituted in Enniskillen and ended up being so frustrated and got the line. I think Aidan would be a much better player for Down under a new manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on July 23, 2009, 02:35:48 PM
Let me point out, I am in no way saying he shouldn't be on the panel. I believe having to play for a team your father manages places undue pressure on the fella & probably is in part an explanation of poor performance.
But Ross created a can of worms last Saturday in his actions & the decision with John Clarke. IMHO I believe Aidan Carr isn't a defender but a half forward, in which position in that line is a dilemma.
Under a new regime he may flourish into one of Down's best players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on July 23, 2009, 04:02:09 PM
I was away for the match and didn't see it (Thks for the link wobbler , I didn't make it) . I have it recorded but can't bring myself to watch it but I have to say that some of the criticisms regarding the Aidan Carr substitution are a bit harsh . It has been posted here that Hanna had an injury going into the game if this is the case then his early substitution would make sense . Also who was hitting our frees / 45's prior to Aidan Carr coming on ? could this of led to Carr's early introduction ? Do I think that Ross Carr would potentially weaken his team just to have his son on the field ? Definitely not .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 23, 2009, 04:13:02 PM
Quote from: downredblack on July 23, 2009, 04:02:09 PM
I was away for the match and didn't see it (Thks for the link wobbler , I didn't make it) . I have it recorded but can't bring myself to watch it but I have to say that some of the criticisms regarding the Aidan Carr substitution are a bit harsh . It has been posted here that Hanna had an injury going into the game if this is the case then his early substitution would make sense . Also who was hitting our frees / 45's prior to Aidan Carr coming on ? could this of led to Carr's early introduction ? Do I think that Ross Carr would potentially weaken his team just to have his son on the field ? Definitely not .

Paul McComiskey hit close in frees and had 100 per cent record, Benny McArdle hit one with left and scored and Ambrose scored a long range free off the ground as well as missin one near the end. So Aidan was not brought on for frees. He deserverd to be brought on at that stage but not for Hanna, who was injury free, it should have been for Garvey or Murphy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on July 23, 2009, 04:46:49 PM

Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo 
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval 
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 24, 2009, 10:12:15 AM
Aidan Carr was not up to standard this year- end of story. Take his free taking out of his game and his performances throughout the entire 2009 league and Fermanagh game and you were left with a passanger who could not mark his man. All players on the pitch, ESPECIALLY DEFENDERS must stop their markers playing their game and Carr doesn't do this so to say "his loose marking from half-back was more than compensated by his playmaking ability" is a nonsense as in games his man done a lot of damage. His performances this year did not merit the chance to play championship football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on July 24, 2009, 12:53:27 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on July 24, 2009, 10:12:15 AM
Aidan Carr was not up to standard this year- end of story.

Name 1 Down player that was up to standard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 24, 2009, 02:21:18 PM
Daniel Hughes and Brendan McViegh are the only names I can think of who have had a decent season.  The rest were poor, along with Aidan Carr, so there is no point in slagging him off. 

As Wobbler said he had a great 2008, the match in Laois especially springs to mind.  A possibility for next season would be to stick him in corner forward with a free role to pick up breaks around the middle and deliver longs balls to 2 of either Coulter/McComiskey/Clarke (presuming he is there).

What Down are crying out for next seaon is a settled side.  It is OK to experiment in the McKenna Cup, but to experiment in the league is another thing.  With a settled team and a consistent style of play we can build on this season.  If Ross is in charge of this side remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 24, 2009, 11:06:54 PM
Connolly Cup Final
Ardglass 3-11 Dundrum 0-10

Ardglass win their 7th successive Connolly Cup.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 25, 2009, 01:06:50 AM
Practically no Down player improved this year, but there were still a few who had decent seasons. Hughes mixed the good with the frustrating, often in the same match, but would probably be our best overall performer. McVeigh was steady, Howard was good before his injury, and Garvey and particularly Rafferty both had a couple of fine games. Benny and Dan had their moments, but seldom looked completely fit, which has to be a concern.

While Carr is certainly of the required standard, he never reached the level of 2008 and seemed to suffer from being switched across the field. Enniskillen was a low point long before the red card, and he needs to find his best position and get the opportunity to stick with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on July 25, 2009, 02:21:39 AM
Quote from: southdown on July 24, 2009, 02:21:18 PM
Daniel Hughes and Brendan McViegh are the only names I can think of who have had a decent season. 

Daniel Hughes is too inconsistent, he plays one good game then goes missing for the next two. McVeigh was Downs best player this year, which says it all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on July 25, 2009, 12:54:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 24, 2009, 11:06:54 PM
Connolly Cup Final
Ardglass 3-11 Dundrum 0-10

Ardglass win their 7th successive Connolly Cup.




Glad to see Ardglass have achieved their aims for the year this season again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 25, 2009, 05:23:37 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on July 25, 2009, 12:54:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 24, 2009, 11:06:54 PM
Connolly Cup Final
Ardglass 3-11 Dundrum 0-10

Ardglass win their 7th successive Connolly Cup.




Glad to see Ardglass have achieved their aims for the year this season again

Those boys love this competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on July 25, 2009, 05:26:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 25, 2009, 05:23:37 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on July 25, 2009, 12:54:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 24, 2009, 11:06:54 PM
Connolly Cup Final
Ardglass 3-11 Dundrum 0-10

Ardglass win their 7th successive Connolly Cup.




Glad to see Ardglass have achieved their aims for the year this season again

Those boys love this competition.

Along with their customary match abandonment!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 25, 2009, 05:35:04 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on July 25, 2009, 05:26:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 25, 2009, 05:23:37 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on July 25, 2009, 12:54:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 24, 2009, 11:06:54 PM
Connolly Cup Final
Ardglass 3-11 Dundrum 0-10

Ardglass win their 7th successive Connolly Cup.




Glad to see Ardglass have achieved their aims for the year this season again

Those boys love this competition.

Along with their customary match abandonment!

One of their boys who got 6 months supposedly got his ban overturned.

Ardglass have some talented hoors on their team. However, with soccer and a franky-esque attitude I don't think they will ever get out of Division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on July 26, 2009, 03:42:19 PM
Darragh Cross 0-9 An Riocht 2-13

Any other scores from todays games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 26, 2009, 04:04:10 PM
Mayobridge 1-8 Bryansford 3-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 26, 2009, 04:45:20 PM
Heard burren and l'island drew 7 each? Any other results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 26, 2009, 04:53:33 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 26, 2009, 04:45:20 PM
Heard burren and l'island drew 7 each? Any other results?

Longstone beat castlewellan by 7 points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on July 26, 2009, 04:59:07 PM
Glenn 2.09 Saul 1.08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on July 26, 2009, 05:19:33 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 26, 2009, 04:04:10 PM
Mayobridge 1-8 Bryansford 3-13

any details on this game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 26, 2009, 05:36:51 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on July 26, 2009, 05:19:33 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 26, 2009, 04:04:10 PM
Mayobridge 1-8 Bryansford 3-13

any details on this game?

Bryansford totally outplayed the Bridge. Kallum King and Timmy Hanna totally dominated midfield and Kearney and the Brannigans caused mayhem up front. Mayobridge where full out bar Noel Sexton, pluggy and Brady. Few fisty cuffs on second half. Two players where very lucky they where not red carded. Referee Ciaran Brannigan shyed out off it. The ford shaping well with championship just round corner, the Bridge have work too do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 26, 2009, 06:33:39 PM
Harps beat bmartin 3-10 to 0-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 26, 2009, 06:39:18 PM
Liatriom v Longstone      
Bryansford v Kilcoo 
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval 
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 26, 2009, 07:10:12 PM
Division 3

Dundrum 0-08  Teconnaught 1-07

Absolutely dire game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Irelands32 on July 26, 2009, 07:18:35 PM

Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo 
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval 
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 26, 2009, 07:35:43 PM
Sunday 26th July 2009

O Neills Down SFL Division 1

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment 

Longstone  1-9 0-8 Castlewellan  Longstone Round 15 
Burren  0-8 0-8 Loughinisland  Burren Round 15 
Liatroim  0-11 1-8 Rostrevor  Liatroim Round 15 
Mayobridge  1-8 3-13 Bryansford  Mayobridge Round 15 
Saval  0-15 1-11 Warrenpoint  Saval Round 15 

O Neills Down SFL Division 2

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment 

Downpatrick  2-4 0-13 Clann na Banna  Downpatrick Round 15 
Carryduff  0-9 0-12 Annaclone  Carryduff Round 15 
Ballyholland  3-11 0-13 Ballymartin  Ballyholland Round 15 
Darragh Cross  0-9 2-15 An Riocht  Darragh Cross Round 15 
Shamrocks  2-4 0-10 Glasdrumman  Shamrocks Round 15 


O Neills Down SFL Division 3

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment 

Tullylish  3-17 2-8 Drumaness  Tullylish Round 15 
Glenn  2-10 1-8 Saul  Glenn Round 15 
St Johns  2-12 0-9 Aghaderg  St Johns Round 15 
Dundrum  0-8 1-7 Teconnaught  Dundrum Round 15 

O Neills Down SFL Division 4

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   

St Michaels  0-14 1-9 Aughlisnafin  St Michaels Round 15 
Dromara  0-6 0-10 Mitchels  Dromara Round 15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 26, 2009, 08:22:36 PM
Square Ball

Liatriom v Longstone.

You have not highlighted your selection on that one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 26, 2009, 09:32:03 PM
Quote from: umpire on July 26, 2009, 08:22:36 PM
Square Ball

Liatriom v Longstone.

You have not highlighted your selection on that one.

I was going to go for a draw, there has to be at least one, but bottled it, going for Longstone now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 26, 2009, 10:53:04 PM
Longstone vs Castlewellan.
Longstone showed a certian nastiness to their play which I had rarely witnessed before. However ref Gabriel Tumelty was a true home town referee and gave them so many decisions even the Mourne supporters were embarrassed- how he only sent off their full forward for 2 yellows is a mystery ( He got his second yellow for striking- since when was striking a yellow offence?)!
It was a decent game- Castlewellan hit 11 wides in the first half alone. Longstone played well against the wind though got an opportunist penalty towards the end of the first half when a dive pulled the wool over the refs eyes. However the penalty itself was expertly placed in the top right had corner and no keeper would have had a chance of saving it.
The second half was an even affair with few scores with both teams wasting chances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 26, 2009, 11:28:55 PM
Here goes my selections.

Senior football
Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate football
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship
Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on July 27, 2009, 12:26:36 AM
cheers mid down gael
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on July 27, 2009, 10:53:38 AM
Saval v Warrenpoint

This game was played at 11 in morning & contributed to the low attendance.
Warrenpoint started better & shouldve been 1-1 to 0-2 up but somehow we couldnt get the ball in net from yards out.
We played the better football in my opinion but Danny Hughes was a massive threat for them & scoring at will.
Some poor decisions & basic errors cost The Blues their first win of the campaign.
Wholesale changes were made to the starting line up with 4/5 new faces getting their first start of the year.
It was an entertaining game with some excellent play at times but we need to become more ruthless & dominate teams more when on top.
Had few chances at the end to win it & I felt we definitely deserved something from the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 27, 2009, 11:37:28 AM
From the Down Gaa Webite

Press Statement - Down Team Managements
  Date : 24/07/2009 15:28

At a meeting of County Committee of Down GAA yesterday evening a five person panel was selected to consider the positions of management of the Down GAA Football and Hurling Teams. The process and procedures were discussed.  Therefore no decision has been taken as yet on the management positions of the various football and hurling teams.

- End -


Who are the five and how can the same management committee look at the merits of both hurling and football managers?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on July 27, 2009, 11:43:35 AM
The 5 people for the football are
E Haughian ( Longstone)
Paul Blaney ( Bredagh)
John Devenney ( Co Mgt Cttee)
S Óg McAteer ( Co Sec)
Seamus Ryan ( Co treaurer)

The Hurling selection panel will consist of reps from hurling fraternity
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: waitingforsam on July 27, 2009, 11:49:47 AM
Liatriom v Longstone     
Bryansford v Kilcoo 
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval 
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught


   

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 27, 2009, 12:09:13 PM
Quote from: norabeag on July 27, 2009, 11:43:35 AM
The 5 people for the football are
E Haughian ( Longstone)
Paul Blaney ( Bredagh)
John Devenney ( Co Mgt Cttee)
S Óg McAteer ( Co Sec)
Seamus Ryan ( Co treaurer)

The Hurling selection panel will consist of reps from hurling fraternity

My interpretation of the Down GAA press release is that the one five man committee does all and with Paul Blaney the only man who would know what end of a hurl to hold I'd have reservations on how the hurling managers may be judged.

As Paul lurkes about here he can PM me any time  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on July 27, 2009, 02:08:22 PM
Why has this committee been put in place, are they actively looking for a new management team?

I hope these men arent fooled by Carrs B*llsh*t. Change is needed - to re-appoint them would be a step even further back for Down. These men will promise alot on paper, but as we've seen in the last three years - delivering on this is a different story.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 27, 2009, 02:13:11 PM
Anybody this weeks East Down fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 27, 2009, 03:07:34 PM
East Down GAA Fixtures
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 18 League      
Date  Tuesday  28th  July Time 7.30pm      
U-18 Football League Section "A" 2009      
   Round Twelve          
   Bryansford   v   St. Mary's   P McCartan
   Castlewellan   v   Loughinisland   D Laverty
   Carryduff   v   Kilcoo   G Corrigan
U-18 Football League Section "B" 2009            G Corrigan
   Round Twelve         
   St, John's      Drumaness   S McGreevy
   Cill Darrach      Teconnaught   G Tumelty
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 16 League      
Date  Wednesday29th July Time 7.30pm      
U-16 Football League Section "A" 2009   
   St. Mary's    v    Kilcoo   M Rawlinson
            
U-16 Football League Section "B" 2009   
   Drumaness   v   Cill Breactain   E O' hare
   Ardglass   v   Bredagh   P McCartan
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 14 League      
Date  Thursday  30th July   Time 7.30pm      
U-14 Football League Section "A" 2009   
   Round.Ten         
   Carryduff   v   Bryansford   J McMullan
            
U-14 Football League Section "B1" 2009   
   Downpatrick   v   Carryduff   A Sharvin
            
U-14 Football League Section "B2" 2009   
   Round Fourteen         
   St. John's      St. Paul's   N McDonald
   Liatroim      Teconnaught   G Tumelty
   Dromara      Loughinisland   D Laverty
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 12 League      
Date Sunday  2nd August Time 12.30pm      
U-12 Football League Section "A" 2009   
   Carryduff   v   St. Paul's   M Brady
            
U-12 Football League Section "B" 2009   
   Round Fourteen         
   Ardglass   v   Saul   P McCartan
   Dromara   v   Carryduff   M McAnulty
   St. John's   v   Castlewellan   M Brady
   Cill Darach   v   Liatroim   A Sharvin
            
U-12 Football League Section "C" 2009   
   Round Fourteen          
   Kilclief   v   Bright   G Marks
   Teconnaught   v   Bredagh   J McMullan
   St. Joseph's   v   Drumaness   C McAlinden
            
Quoile Tile & Bathroom Centre         
Date Sunday 2nd August Time 7.00pm      
Reserve Football League         
Section A1         
   Round Twelve          
   Bryansford   v   Castlewellan   L Morgan
   Drumaness   v   Dundrum   G Brannigan
   Kilcoo   v   Liatroim   E O' Hare
   Teconnaught   v   St. John's   D Laverty
Section A2         
   Round Twelve          
   Bright   v   Bredagh   G Corrigan
   Saul   v   Darragh Cross   J Magennis
   Kilclief   v   St. Paul's   G Tumelty
   Ardglass   v   Carryduff   M Brady
            
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 18 League      
Date  Tuesday  4th  August Time 7.30pm      
U-18 Football League Section "A" 2009      
   Round Thirteen         
   Loughinisland   v   Bryansford   D Laverty
   St. Mary's   v   Castlewellan   P Brannigan
   Bredagh   v   Carryduff   M Davey
            
U-18 Football League Section "B" 2009      
   Round Thirteen         
   Ardglass   v   St. Joseph's   P McCartan
   Teconnaught   v   St, John's   J McMullan
   Drumaness   v   Cill Darrach   G Tumelty
            

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 27, 2009, 03:09:40 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDunYeGo on July 27, 2009, 05:44:58 PM
was lookin some help about reserve championship.

if u didn't play last year in senior championship but did 2 years ago, can you play in this years reserve championship?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on July 27, 2009, 08:36:25 PM
Liatriom v Longstone        
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint - draw
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on July 27, 2009, 08:38:56 PM
Quote from: gaahead2008 on July 27, 2009, 02:08:22 PM
Why has this committee been put in place, are they actively looking for a new management team?

I hope these men arent fooled by Carrs B*llsh*t. Change is needed - to re-appoint them would be a step even further back for Down. These men will promise alot on paper, but as we've seen in the last three years - delivering on this is a different story.







Aparently, the Committee aren't just put into place to come up with a new manager, its also to look at the players in Down which should be on the County panel and not just leaving it down to the manager alone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 27, 2009, 09:22:16 PM
Division one Result

Clonduff 0-15 Kilcoo 2-11.

Cracking game off football. Kilcoo getting beat by 8 points after 25 mins and came back to win it. Goals from Barry Kane and Conor Laverty and two late Paul Devlin frees won it for the magpies. The game marked the return off Phelim McGreevy and Conor laverty as subs, both whom had major impact. The yellows full forward line off Conor Og Ohagan, Arthur McConnville and Shane Ward where very impressive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 27, 2009, 10:00:02 PM
Prediction league.
if the game a draw, your selection is carried over to replay game.

miss mess
choose your selection re Island v Point's game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on July 27, 2009, 11:23:04 PM
Insert Quote
Liatriom v Longstone       
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v GlennMitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goalswingames on July 28, 2009, 10:15:50 AM
Senior Championship

Liatriom v Longstone       
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 28, 2009, 10:20:34 AM
Quote from: AnDunYeGo on July 27, 2009, 05:44:58 PM
was lookin some help about reserve championship.

if u didn't play last year in senior championship but did 2 years ago, can you play in this years reserve championship?


You can play this year as long as you didn't play last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 28, 2009, 12:27:42 PM
Did Warrenpoint really beat Byransford in the premier reserve championship last night??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on July 28, 2009, 01:19:15 PM
Senior Championship

Liatriom v Longstone        
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on July 28, 2009, 02:29:41 PM
Yes Tommy & it shouldve been more!
Point were better team & winning by 3 with 2 mins to go. Ford brought on some big fella at Full Forward & before he even touched the ball he ran straight over & thumped our full back off the ball. Was a disgrace. As he lay on the ground a scuffle developed & Peter McClorey somehow decided Bryansford could take a quick free even though our keeper was on the 21 & our full back getting treatment on the ground.
Justice was done when the Point went up the field & got the winner. Lot of the Bryansford boys were more interested in fighting than trying to play football & it cost them!!
Great Result!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 28, 2009, 02:52:55 PM
Is this a shock result? are Bryansford good? Even so thats a high scoring game. some amount of goals.

That Ref has to be the worst there is about, complete liability.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on July 28, 2009, 03:10:26 PM
Senior Championship

Liatriom v Longstone        
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on July 28, 2009, 04:40:18 PM
The Down v Dublin minor match has been postponed because of the swine flu out break. No date has been set for the game as yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 28, 2009, 04:54:31 PM
Really?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 28, 2009, 04:56:10 PM
Monday 27th July 2009

Premier Reserve Football Championship
   
Carryduff  1-11 2-10 Ballymartin  Carryduff   
Loughinisland  0-6 1-12 Burren  Loughinisland   
Tullylish  1-12 2-12 Rostrevor  Tullylish   
Liatroim  3-10 3-10 Ballyholland  Liatroim   
Warrenpoint  1-17 4-7 Bryansford  Warrenpoint   


Reserve Football Championship

Ardglass  1-12 3-9 Kilclief  Ardglass   
St Johns  4-12 3-3 St John Bosco  St Johns   
Bryansford  1-6 3-7 Teconnaught  Bryansford   
Clann na Banna  0-5 3-10 Rostrevor  Clann na Banna   
Castlewellan  3-14 0-7 Bredagh  Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 28, 2009, 06:34:36 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 28, 2009, 04:54:31 PM
Really?

from GAA.ie

ESB GAA Football All Ireland Minor Championship
Quarter Finals
Kingspan Breffni PK 2.00pm Ard Mhacha v Cill Dara
Referee: Gregory Walsh (Aontroim)
(E.T. if Necessary)

Kingspan Breffni Pk 4.00pm Áth Cliath v An Dún Postponed
Referee: Declan Corcoran (Ros Comáin)
(E.T. if Necessary
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 28, 2009, 06:38:31 PM
Quote from: guevara on July 28, 2009, 02:29:41 PM
Yes Tommy & it shouldve been more!
Point were better team & winning by 3 with 2 mins to go. Ford brought on some big fella at Full Forward & before he even touched the ball he ran straight over & thumped our full back off the ball. Was a disgrace. As he lay on the ground a scuffle developed & Peter McClorey somehow decided Bryansford could take a quick free even though our keeper was on the 21 & our full back getting treatment on the ground.
Justice was done when the Point went up the field & got the winner. Lot of the Bryansford boys were more interested in fighting than trying to play football & it cost them!!
Great Result!!

Cheers guevara, The ford beat us twice this year in the league but on both occasions they had plenty of senior players playing who i suspect were ineligible for the championship... That ref is a liabilty and should not be allowed to referee...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 28, 2009, 09:56:05 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on July 28, 2009, 11:27:43 AM
   I wonder what my prospects are tonight? ???

Your a gonner.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 28, 2009, 09:57:36 PM
Carryduff v Kilcoo minor match tonight was posponed,  Swine Flu?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 28, 2009, 10:01:20 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 28, 2009, 09:57:36 PM
Carryduff v Kilcoo minor match tonight was posponed,  Swine Flu?

There is 5 kilcoo lads on Down minors so id imagine this is why.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 28, 2009, 10:04:57 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 28, 2009, 10:01:20 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 28, 2009, 09:57:36 PM
Carryduff v Kilcoo minor match tonight was posponed,  Swine Flu?

There is 5 kilcoo lads on Down minors so id imagine this is why.

thought that was the reason, the first of many I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on July 28, 2009, 10:11:12 PM
if the down minor match is cancelled, does this mean the championship will be put back?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on July 28, 2009, 11:40:29 PM
anyone know wat the hell is wrong wit the down website haven't been able to get on this 2 days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on July 28, 2009, 11:42:05 PM
It was working ok earlier, though it seems to have been Down since the news of Ross`s departure broke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on July 29, 2009, 10:05:06 AM
So there it is, Ross is out. Suppose its only a matter of time before they appoint a new man to get slated all over again, and the fun continues. I dont suppose Mick O'Dwyer would be available would he? He has taken good young teams in Kildare, Laois and Wicklow to new heights, why not Down? He hasnt had a go in Ulster yet. And at least he couldnt be called useless, stupid, niave, or any other name for that matter, by people in Down, because hes arguably the best gaelic football manager theres ever been?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on July 29, 2009, 10:08:29 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 28, 2009, 06:38:31 PM
Quote from: guevara on July 28, 2009, 02:29:41 PM

That ref is a liabilty and should not be allowed to referee...

that is one point that im sure everyone can agree on, its amazing hes still about, year after year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 29, 2009, 10:11:26 AM
What's the full story with Ross- I thought the meeting last week simply asked him to re-apply?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on July 29, 2009, 10:19:34 AM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on July 29, 2009, 10:08:29 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 28, 2009, 06:38:31 PM
Quote from: guevara on July 28, 2009, 02:29:41 PM

That ref is a liabilty and should not be allowed to referee...

that is one point that im sure everyone can agree on, its amazing hes still about, year after year!

I agree lads he's poor but at the end of the day it isn't his fault its The County Boards. Surely it is them who decide who is fit to referee games & who isn't? You can't blame the man for making himself available.........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Irelands32 on July 29, 2009, 10:45:10 AM
I see in todays IN that Jamie O'Reilly is away on a three week trial to Aussie Rules team Richmond Tigers.

He's lucky the scouts were at the Mayo U21 semi final as its the only decent game i've seen him play. Fair play to the lad though hope he makes it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on July 29, 2009, 11:35:10 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 28, 2009, 10:01:20 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 28, 2009, 09:57:36 PM
Carryduff v Kilcoo minor match tonight was posponed,  Swine Flu?

There is 5 kilcoo lads on Down minors so id imagine this is why.

Drumanness & Darragh matches off too. Club sec. called the game off without reason so I assume its orders from above.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on July 29, 2009, 07:28:02 PM
Irelands32 from what I hear the scouts were at the U-21 Tyrone game to watch Murney and McCumiskey but he caught their eye and they returned to watch him in the Ulster Final were they were impressed. You obviously haven't seen him play very much if that's the only decent game you've seen him play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 29, 2009, 07:31:43 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on July 29, 2009, 07:28:02 PM
Irelands32 from what I hear the scouts were at the U-21 Tyrone game to watch Murney and McCumiskey but he caught their eye and they returned to watch him in the Ulster Final were they were impressed. You obviously haven't seen him play very much if that's the only decent game you've seen him play

Ive seen him play reguraly and if he makes it at Aussie rules then there is hope for us all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on July 29, 2009, 07:35:16 PM
Mid Down Gael when have you seen him regualrly play? If you had you would have known he averages 5 - 6 points a game for Loughinisland, but I suppose you could do much better yourself
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on July 29, 2009, 08:01:20 PM
sorry umpire.  Loughisland -v- Warrenpoint
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on July 29, 2009, 08:12:20 PM
miss mess if I were you I wouldnt be so sure about that result
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 29, 2009, 08:18:29 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on July 29, 2009, 07:35:16 PM
Mid Down Gael when have you seen him regualrly play? If you had you would have known he averages 5 - 6 points a game for Loughinisland, but I suppose you could do much better yourself

Every Down game this year, Against Loughinisland reguraly and when i go and watch Loughinisland in championship games. Ahy he scores 5-6 points whenever seamus ohare is not there to hit the frees. In last years run to championship final he was average. Mark Valentine, Ben Orielly, John McCarthy and Ryan Stranney where much more prominent in the islands run to the final against Rostrevor, Downpatrick, Burren and the Bridge. To be fair he was only used as a sub in the first two rounds due to injury. He is a decent club player who made the Down panel even though failed to make the Queens sigerson squad. The day the aussie scouts where watching was the best i ever seen him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on July 29, 2009, 08:40:26 PM
Granted he was average in the run to the championship final last year,but was being played in corner forward, when he is much more effective at centre half or full. He's more than a decent club player, sure against Kilcoo (where I presume your from judging from previous post) he always is double marked by Mackers and Choc, and still manages to score around 3 points. He was on the sigerson panel in his first year at uni and pulled out of it this year. Ask anyone who plays with him or watches his preformances throughout the league and they will tell you he deserved to get scouted. Just a quick point at the end to say the aussie scouts originally spotted him against Tyrone and then again at the Ulster final, not against Mayo as stated in the press
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on July 29, 2009, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on July 29, 2009, 07:35:16 PM
Mid Down Gael when have you seen him regualrly play? If you had you would have known he averages 5 - 6 points a game for Loughinisland, but I suppose you could do much better yourself

he mustnt have played very often this year!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on July 29, 2009, 10:17:11 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballela 4.16 Ballycran 2.13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on July 29, 2009, 11:10:34 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on July 29, 2009, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on July 29, 2009, 07:35:16 PM
Mid Down Gael when have you seen him regualrly play? If you had you would have known he averages 5 - 6 points a game for Loughinisland, but I suppose you could do much better yourself

he mustnt have played very often this year!! ;D ;D

No sure was with the U-21's, then was out injured for a few weeks before being with the senior panel ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Orior on July 29, 2009, 11:20:00 PM
My Predictions:

Senior: Bryansford
Intermediate: Haven't the foggiest
Junior: Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on July 29, 2009, 11:22:45 PM
Quote from: Orior on July 29, 2009, 11:20:00 PM
My Predictions:

Senior: Bryansford
Intermediate: Haven't the foggiest
Junior: Glenn


you basing your senior prediction on last sundays result? i bet your not the only one!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 29, 2009, 11:37:50 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on July 29, 2009, 10:17:11 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballela 4.16 Ballycran 2.13

Good win for Ballela! Coming into form in time for the championship clash with Shamrocks.

Other scores in Div 1

Kilclief 3-11 2-11 Bredagh
Ballygalget 4-18 0-04 Warrenpoint
Portaferry WO DF Shamrocks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 30, 2009, 12:45:09 AM
Quote from: Orior on July 29, 2009, 11:20:00 PM
My Predictions:

Senior: Bryansford
Intermediate: Haven't the foggiest
Junior: Glenn


Glenn are the strongest Junior side I have seen in all my years playing.
On Jamie O'Reilly, he is a strong runner on the ball and glides almost effortlessly across a football pitch, perhaps that is an attribute of his that would highly suit the AFL.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on July 30, 2009, 12:39:27 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on July 29, 2009, 10:08:29 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 28, 2009, 06:38:31 PM
Quote from: guevara on July 28, 2009, 02:29:41 PM

That ref is a liabilty and should not be allowed to referee...

that is one point that im sure everyone can agree on, its amazing hes still about, year after year!

seeing that man show up to referee just makes everyone want to get into the car and head home. what is amazing is that he referees senior league games. im always tempted to go and watch one some night.
Title: Re: (No subject)
Post by: johnneycool on July 30, 2009, 04:56:03 PM
Lecale, are you sure about that newry didn't field as the ports already had a div2 game at home? Crans seemed to have weakened their div1 team to strengthen their div2 team and got beat in both
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 30, 2009, 10:10:14 PM
QuoteLecale, are you sure about that newry didn't field as the ports already had a div2 game at home?

That's what I was told. There's 2 full size pitches at Portaferry.

QuoteCrans seemed to have weakened their div1 team to strengthen their div2 team and got beat in both

I think you're right but Ballela and Ballyvarley are taking things really seriously this year and both are in good shape for the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 31, 2009, 09:21:34 AM
Are all the div 1 matchs bar the 2 in rostrevor and castlewellen def on tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 31, 2009, 10:38:05 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 31, 2009, 09:21:34 AM
Are all the div 1 matchs bar the 2 in rostrevor and castlewellen def on tonight?

Why is Castlewellan game off? Do you know when its refixed for?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 31, 2009, 11:34:46 AM
I haven't heard that the Town game is off ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on July 31, 2009, 11:38:32 AM
What date are the Championship games on chaps?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 31, 2009, 11:49:41 AM
POWERADE SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2009                  

                   TIME                 VENUE                    REFEREE
06/08/2009   7.30   Liatroim   V   Longstone        Newcastle     D Laverty
07/08/2009   7.45   Bryansford   V   Kilcoo        Clonduff     B Rice
08/08/2009   6.00   Clann Na Banna   V An Riocht     Castlewellan     L Morgan
08/08/2009   7.45   Loughinisland   V Warrenpoint  Castlewellan     E O Hare
09/08/2009   3.30   Castlewellan     V Saval         Burren                    C Brannigan
09/09/2009   6.00   Mayobridge   V   Annaclone         Pairc Esler   G Brannigan
09/09/2009   7.45   Clonduff   V   Rostrevor         Pairc Esler   G Tumelty
10/08/2009   7.30   Ballyholand    V   Burren         Saval                   G Corrigan
                  
AROUND A POUND INTERMEDIATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2009                  
06/08/2009   7.30   Ardglass   V   Carryduff         Darragh Cross   C Reynolds
07/08/2009   6.30   Glassdrumman   V Drumaness    Clonduff   P Brannigan
08/08/2009   4.30   Shamrocks   V   Kilclief          Dundrum   J Burns
09/08/2009   2.30   Ballymartin   V   Drumgath          Burren   D Brogan
10/08/2009   7.30   Dundrum   V   Saul          Bright                   J Killen
10/08/2009   7.30   Bredagh   V   Atticall          Loughinisland   M Rawlinson
11/08/2009   7.30   Downpatrick   V Tullylish          Newcastle   B Andrews
11/08/2009   7.30   Darragh Cross   V St Johns          Teconnaught   A Grant

JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP                  
09/08/2009   1.00   Dromara   V Aughlisnafinn           Ballykinlar   E Mulvenna
09/08/2009   1.00   St Michaels    V  Glenn           Annaclone   E McGrath
09/08/2009   1.00   Mitchells    V Teconnaught            Kilcoo   O Burke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: corn02 on July 31, 2009, 11:57:54 AM
Cheers Samster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 31, 2009, 12:36:21 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 31, 2009, 10:38:05 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 31, 2009, 09:21:34 AM
Are all the div 1 matchs bar the 2 in rostrevor and castlewellen def on tonight?

Why is Castlewellan game off? Do you know when its refixed for?

Is the castlewellen and clonduff game not meant to be on monday night? 3rd Aug?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 31, 2009, 02:43:27 PM
Castlewellan is due to play Burren tonight and also on Monday they play Clonduff in an outstaniding game that was cancelled in June

Castlewellan to get 4 points ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 31, 2009, 03:05:14 PM
My bad sorry! And 4 easy points at that... :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 31, 2009, 03:05:45 PM
Quote from: umpire on July 31, 2009, 02:43:27 PM
Castlewellan is due to play Burren tonight and also on Monday they play Clonduff in an outstaniding game that was cancelled in June

Castlewellan to get 4 points ?

If they get one they will be doing well. Their form badly dipped before holidays. Think they lost 3 on the throt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 31, 2009, 03:12:58 PM
The Town lost 3 on the trot but should have won at least 2 of them- hit 9 wides in the first half against Saval and 11 wides in the first half against the Stone, you can't win games with stats like that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on July 31, 2009, 03:23:43 PM


Management Selection

This is a crucial juncture in our County's recent history and the wrong selection now could set back our senior team for many years.

The most successful counties over the last 15 years since our last triumph have all evolved towards a system whereby the coach is most seperate and distinct from the manager. The coach takes training, gets players fit and works on skills while the manager deals with strategy and crucially communication. The two front runners Pete and wee James have styles that unfortunately do not fall into one category or the other and are blends of both positions. I would even go further and say that Pete is not an intercounty manager per se but rather an excellent coach. However he is not a manager as he is a very poor person to person and group communicator. He is functional and factual like a GPS system!

Take a look at Dublin and Pat Gilroy. He seems to have gone further than anyone else in this intercounty "new manager" model. Upto his appointment, Tyrone (Harte and Tally) Armagh (Kernan and Grimley) Kerry (O'Connor and Finnegan) seemed to be the front runners in creating a new job description for an Inter county manager. They abdicated responsibility for fitness and basic coaching and involved most of their time in strategy, managing resource, PR, pyschology etc. Even the great Micko has been doing likewise over the last 5 or so years with Arthur French. But Gilroy's appointment went a step further. Pat Gilroy is a very successful Chief Executive of the Irish division of a French Multinational. He should not have the spare time to manage any county team let alone Dublin. But he brings a professionalism and strategy to the role. His sole task is to allocate resource and identify need and determine strategy. He has replicated his model for business success to the dressing room. He is most definitely not working out drills!!

We need to read the writing on the wall. We need to embrace the professional business like approaches to management and organisational development and motivation. Simply appointing an ex manager or ex player is not enough. As Einstein is famously quoted as saying "If you always do what you have always done then you will always get what you have always got!"

I would like to see a radical rethink as to how our county senior team is managed based on the best practices of Organisational Development Research.

I would like to see a significant overhaul of our development structures so that we are putting in the foundations for continued future success from 10 year olds up within Down.

Though most crucially I would like to see an overhaul of the administration of the Down County association. There are simply too many people who are in executive positions with insufficient intellectual ability and even worse many are going through the motions and not serving the best interests of their membership in the county. The great breakthrough was started in the late 50's by the visionary involvement of Maurice Hayes as county secretary. We need another such talent. The present incumbent is simply not upto the task and should resign in the best interests of the county.

Jack Devanney is one of the few if only people on the County Executive at present with true ability. The Longford native is a great administrator and needs to have more likeminded capable and honest people with him to make a difference for this great county of ours.

This county needs courage. This county needs new blood at administrative level and this great county needs to get the job description right first before it looks for the best manager. Finally the successful person then needs to have the confidence in his county board and the freedom to put whatever structures he needs in place to maximise the return form the players that we have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on July 31, 2009, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on July 31, 2009, 03:23:43 PM


Management Selection

This is a crucial juncture in our County's recent history and the wrong selection now could set back our senior team for many years.

The most successful counties over the last 15 years since our last triumph have all evolved towards a system whereby the coach is most seperate and distinct from the manager. The coach takes training, gets players fit and works on skills while the manager deals with strategy and crucially communication. The two front runners Pete and wee James have styles that unfortunately do not fall into one category or the other and are blends of both positions. I would even go further and say that Pete is not an intercounty manager per se but rather an excellent coach. However he is not a manager as he is a very poor person to person and group communicator. He is functional and factual like a GPS system!




You obviously do not ember much about 1994. Pete McGrath does have a blend of both coaching and managing, as do most managers. However, he was well capable and astute to delegate much of the coaching to Pat O'Hare RIP, probably the best coach in Down at the time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on July 31, 2009, 05:14:28 PM
Blue Island - I remember 1993-94 season extremely well as I observed it from close quarters.

Pat was a very good coach while Pete tried to perform a more "strategic" role but this was significantly hampered by his poor communication skills. Remember wee James and Greg went on strike that winter due mainly to said communication faults!

Pete is an excellent coach and football man himself but not a manager as defined by modern intercounty standards
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on July 31, 2009, 05:50:03 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on July 31, 2009, 05:14:28 PM
Blue Island - I remember 1993-94 season extremely well as I observed it from close quarters.

Pat was a very good coach while Pete tried to perform a more "strategic" role but this was significantly hampered by his poor communication skills. Remember wee James and Greg went on strike that winter due mainly to said communication faults!

Pete is an excellent coach and football man himself but not a manager as defined by modern intercounty standards

Nearly mad, I was not advocating Pete McGrath as manager, though I don't believe he would be bad choice. I would be torn between McCartan and McIver myself. After the near mutiny in 94 at least McGrath listened/relented to the players problems to a degree, otherwise he would have been out of a job then.

Tommorrow is another day, seemed to suggest that McGrath was incapable of working with an authoritative coach and that is not wholly true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on July 31, 2009, 05:55:23 PM
Sorry nearlymad, the above was obviously in reply to tomorrow is another day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 31, 2009, 07:46:33 PM
Kilcoo v Saval postponed due to the awful weather. This country is a disaster, end of July and having to postpone games because off rain.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 31, 2009, 08:47:58 PM
Clone beating harps by 6 almost full time

Harps brutal away from home
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 31, 2009, 08:58:38 PM
Full-time Liatriom 1.8 Mayobridge 1.16

Half-time Liatriom 1.6 Mayobridge 0.6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on July 31, 2009, 09:03:15 PM
Darragh Cross 0-12 Ballymartin 1-04
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 31, 2009, 09:21:49 PM
Bredagh beaten by a point by Glen. 2-5 to 1-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on July 31, 2009, 09:25:30 PM
Kilclief beat Carryduff by 7 or 8 in a poor enough game.  Carryduff were brutal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 31, 2009, 09:29:56 PM
Bosco beat Mitchels by 13/14 points in terribale conditions, some good football played by the the Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on July 31, 2009, 09:33:50 PM
Bosco picked up a few injuries, Gavin Moan and Marty Rooney both limping off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on July 31, 2009, 09:34:59 PM
dundrum won 1-18 o 0-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on July 31, 2009, 09:36:58 PM
Drumgath  0-11
Drumaness  0-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 31, 2009, 10:10:10 PM
Castlewellan 0-04 Burren 2-11
Ciaran Brannigan is an awful ref- sent off Aidan Brogan after 15 minutes for back chat but bottled several striking incidents. Does Damien Barton spend the enitre game on the pitch every week or was it just tonight? He was never on the sideline at all- looked a runner from Aussie rules- again Brannigan let this go.  Castlewellan will never play as poorly again, at least I hope they don't!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on July 31, 2009, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on July 31, 2009, 10:10:10 PM
Castlewellan 0-04 Burren 2-11
Ciaran Brannigan is an awful ref- sent off Aidan Brogan after 15 minutes for back chat but bottled several striking incidents. Does Damien Barton spend the enitre game on the pitch every week or was it just tonight? He was never on the sideline at all- looked a runner from Aussie rules- again Brannigan let this go.  Castlewellan will never play as poorly again, at least I hope they don't!!

Are you sure about that, seems a bit harsh to be sent off for a bit of back chat  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 31, 2009, 10:14:00 PM
Warrenpoint 2-10 0-14 Longstone.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on July 31, 2009, 10:15:30 PM
Aidan Brogan's been like that all his life, back chat to the referees
he should hav learned his lesson by now!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 31, 2009, 10:26:20 PM
Quote from: maldini on July 31, 2009, 10:15:30 PM
Aidan Brogan's been like that all his life, back chat to the referees
he should hav learned his lesson by now!!

Yeah especially against his village of residence, Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on July 31, 2009, 10:26:48 PM
Friday 31st July 2009

O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Liatroim  1-8 1-16 Mayobridge  Liatroim Round 16 
Warrenpoint  2-10 0-14 Longstone  Warrenpoint Round 16 
Castlewellan  0-4 2-11 Burren  Castlewellan Round 16 

O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
An Riocht  2-9 0-5 Shamrocks  An Riocht Round 16 
Annaclone  2-13 1-10 Ballyholland  Annaclone Round 16 
Ballymartin  1-4 0-12 Darragh Cross  Ballymartin Round 16 
Glasdrumman  1-5 3-4 Downpatrick  Glasdrumman Round 16 
Kilclief  2-8 1-3 Carryduff  Kilclief Round 16 

O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Saul  1-6 1-11 St Johns  Saul Round 16 
Aghaderg  0-6 1-18 Dundrum  Aghaderg Round 16 
Drumgath  0-11 0-7 Drumaness  Drumgath Round 16 
Tullylish  3-10 2-3 St Pauls  Tullylish Round 16 
Bredagh  2-5 1-9 Glenn  Bredagh Round 16 

O Neills Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Mitchels  0-6 3-10 St John Bosco  Mitchels Round 16 
Bright  0-8 0-9 Dromara  Bright Round 16 
Aughlisnafin  3-8 0-5 Ballykinlar  Aughlisnafin Round 16 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 31, 2009, 10:36:50 PM
Come on the Finn!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on July 31, 2009, 10:50:11 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on July 31, 2009, 10:10:10 PM
Castlewellan 0-04 Burren 2-11
Ciaran Brannigan is an awful ref- sent off Aidan Brogan after 15 minutes for back chat but bottled several striking incidents. Does Damien Barton spend the enitre game on the pitch every week or was it just tonight? He was never on the sideline at all- looked a runner from Aussie rules- again Brannigan let this go.  Castlewellan will never play as poorly again, at least I hope they don't!!


let's be honest if there had of been a point or two in it you could argue that the ref made a few bad calls but 13 points!! as for the lad sent off he is hard work
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on July 31, 2009, 10:55:24 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on July 31, 2009, 10:10:10 PM
Castlewellan 0-04 Burren 2-11
Ciaran Brannigan is an awful ref- sent off Aidan Brogan after 15 minutes for back chat but bottled several striking incidents. Does Damien Barton spend the enitre game on the pitch every week or was it just tonight? He was never on the sideline at all- looked a runner from Aussie rules- again Brannigan let this go.  Castlewellan will never play as poorly again, at least I hope they don't!!
Wouldn't have a patch on Ned Morgan who did the Glassdrumman/Downpatrick game. Disgraceful was not the word. Did everything he could to get Glassdrumman back into the game and caused a situation at the end when Glassdrumman tried to get the game abandoned.
Fairplay to the RGU lads as they held their discipline well throughout.
understand the need for respect for refs but from what I have seen this year the standard has plumetted badly as these guys behave as absolute untouchables.
Peter Brannigan/Rawlinson would not be too far behind Ned. Is there a common thread here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on July 31, 2009, 11:11:26 PM
leo smyth was the referree tonight for the stone match, terrible, gave two penalties and i still dont know what for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 31, 2009, 11:12:35 PM
il see your Ned Morgan/Dominic Brogan/Brannigan/Rawlinson and il raise ye Leo Smyth or Peter Mc Clorey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on July 31, 2009, 11:18:52 PM
I''ve witnessed some terrible refs this season. Ned Morgan must like Glassdrumman as it's not the first time this year he's tried his best to get them a result. Anyone had Ned McGrath ref them recently he didn't seem to know the rules when doing a Div 2 game I was at. Another thing is refs playing for a draw thinking both teams will be happy so they dont get any abuse.
Refs should be assessed on their performances and if they arent up to standard they shoudnt be getting games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on July 31, 2009, 11:20:06 PM
penalties aside, the point deserved the win tonight i'll give you's that.  a few loughisland players there eyein up the opposition for the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 31, 2009, 11:32:41 PM
Against the flow of recent posts I know but the ref at the Bredagh v Glen game did a great job. In terrible conditions he allowed both teams to provide a very entertaining game.  Credit where credit is due.  Don't know who he was.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 31, 2009, 11:38:46 PM
Brogan got sent off for saying "That's f***ing wild" then when he was calling him over to book him he said " I just want you to do it fairly for both teams" and Brannigan showed him 2 yellow cards!  We would still have lost if he had been on but not by as much and Brannigan is not a good ref
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 31, 2009, 11:45:16 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on July 31, 2009, 11:38:46 PM
Brogan got sent off for saying "That's f***ing wild" then when he was calling him over to book him he said " I just want you to do it fairly for both teams" and Brannigan showed him 2 yellow cards!  We would still have lost if he had been on but not by as much and Brannigan is not a good ref

Call me old fashioned if you want I think the quote above shows a lack of respect bordering on soccer standards and deserving of a sending off.
I want my game, the gaelic game, to be above this.  I much prefer the Rugby model where, even when the ref is wrong, players always give total respect and accept the decision. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on July 31, 2009, 11:57:24 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 31, 2009, 11:32:41 PM
Against the flow of recent posts I know but the ref at the Bredagh v Glen game did a great job. In terrible conditions he allowed both teams to provide a very entertaining game.  Credit where credit is due.  Don't know who he was.

Was talking to a spectator at this game earlier and he too was very complimentary about the ref.

The ref in the St Pauls Tullylish game seemed to have decided that football was a non contact sport. frustrating for a Bif like myself but probably understandable given the conditions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 01, 2009, 12:40:49 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 31, 2009, 11:45:16 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on July 31, 2009, 11:38:46 PM
Brogan got sent off for saying "That's f***ing wild" then when he was calling him over to book him he said " I just want you to do it fairly for both teams" and Brannigan showed him 2 yellow cards!  We would still have lost if he had been on but not by as much and Brannigan is not a good ref

Call me old fashioned if you want I think the quote above shows a lack of respect bordering on soccer standards and deserving of a sending off.
I want my game, the gaelic game, to be above this.  I much prefer the Rugby model where, even when the ref is wrong, players always give total respect and accept the decision. 
Agreed 100 % rugby referees have authority and respect, something that is sadly lacking in our game, which continues to creep in the direction of soccer.
Think its bang out of order when they are giving up free time to get named and shamed on this... Admittedly my blood has being boiling at certain referees performances. However, you just have to accept it and come to realise without these men no football would be played. I am sure some of your own club players made mistakes tonight,(probably more than some of the referees) but they seem to escape criticism.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 01, 2009, 12:44:59 AM
Liatriom v Longstone       
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on August 01, 2009, 01:00:40 AM
the problem with refs is we haven't got enough so the guys that do go forward and fair play to them are laws onto themselves - what the refereees report says is sacrosanct full stop.
it is a shameful way and really any clown can have too much power but hey what is the alternative!!!!!!!!!!................
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on August 01, 2009, 09:01:01 AM
The difference with rugby referees is that they are approachable and willing to explain (mostly to the captain) what the free was awarded for. GAA refs should adopt a similar policy so at least a player understands instead of being clueless.  having said that, the majority are guessing or giving frees for what they think they saw.  in fairness i wouldnt be up for doing it, its a thankless job where its virtually impossible to please everyone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 01, 2009, 09:48:08 AM
Liatriom v Longstone       
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 01, 2009, 10:52:27 AM
Liatriom v Longstone       
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on August 01, 2009, 11:04:01 AM
Liatriom v Longstone        
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 01, 2009, 11:26:28 AM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on August 01, 2009, 09:01:01 AM
The difference with rugby referees is that they are approachable and willing to explain (mostly to the captain) what the free was awarded for. GAA refs should adopt a similar policy so at least a player understands instead of being clueless.  having said that, the majority are guessing or giving frees for what they think they saw.  in fairness i wouldnt be up for doing it, its a thankless job where its virtually impossible to please everyone.
Agreed, some referees are unapproachable and indeed move the ball forward for asking for an explanation, which boarders of the realms of lunacy. However, I think as a sport, our lack of respect for referees is catching up with soccer and there needs to be some sort of strategy put in place by the GAA to combat this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 01, 2009, 12:31:29 PM
Liatriom v Longstone         
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship
Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught   


 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 01, 2009, 12:33:51 PM
Quote from: miss mess on July 31, 2009, 11:11:26 PM
leo smyth was the referree tonight for the stone match, terrible, gave two penalties and i still dont know what for.

What happened in the Point last night, were we rubbish or were the Point good?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 01, 2009, 12:42:27 PM
southdown is the 54th person to enter in Prediction League. wth 19 games, that a massive 1,026 to be checked!!!!!!!!!! 8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 01, 2009, 12:55:59 PM
Break it into 4 Divisions and get 3 others to help you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 01, 2009, 12:59:09 PM
I agree refereeing is a tough job and they will make mistakes. However when players are giving their all 3-4 nights a week at training they at least deserve the referee to do the thing fairly on a Friday night. Damien Barton ran 40 yards onto the ptch to have a go at the castlewellan corner back yet the ref done nothing yet the same ref is constantly telling subs to get in the dugout!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on August 01, 2009, 01:06:44 PM
Have 2 give credit where it's due here, our referee last nite (Finn v Bkinlar) done an excellent job, he seemed 2 take a common sense approach, taking the wet,slippery conditions into account.
On another note i see few more predictions coming in for the Finn 2 beat Dromara in the chship, thats maybe 7 or 8 out of the 54. Can anyone elaborate as to their reasons for this prediction or is just a hunch? Wud b interested 2 find out.  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 01, 2009, 04:19:13 PM
Can anyone tell me how many referees are ex players ??? if any ???? Just Curious. When i say ex i mean retired from football in the last 4/5 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 01, 2009, 05:17:53 PM
Quote from: boscomo on August 01, 2009, 04:19:13 PM
Can anyone tell me how many referees are ex players ??? if any ???? Just Curious. When i say ex i mean retired from football in the last 4/5 years.

I know your guy from Downpatrick, Peter Mc Cartan i think is his name is recently retired, seen him do two games and though he was excellent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: idontbelieveit on August 01, 2009, 06:48:05 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on July 31, 2009, 11:12:35 PM
il see your Ned Morgan/Dominic Brogan/Brannigan/Rawlinson and il raise ye Leo Smyth or Peter Mc Clorey.

This is another example of what is wrong with Down football. I dont like to name and shame referees however some times it is needed. Ned Morgan,Gabriel Tummelty, Peter Brannigan, Gerard Brannigan, Alan Grant, Micky Cuarn are not up to standard. Can somebody enlighten me on how these fellas are actually judged to become referees? Do they just ring up the secretary and thats it? If they go through training regimes/ gaelic rule classes and then are asked to put on the jersey then this shows just how fragile and naive the county is right now. A whole re-think throughout the county must happen next year both on the pitch and off it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on August 01, 2009, 07:09:44 PM
Quote from: idontbelieveit on August 01, 2009, 06:48:05 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on July 31, 2009, 11:12:35 PM
il see your Ned Morgan/Dominic Brogan/Brannigan/Rawlinson and il raise ye Leo Smyth or Peter Mc Clorey.

This is another example of what is wrong with Down football. I dont like to name and shame referees however some times it is needed. Ned Morgan,Gabriel Tummelty, Peter Brannigan, Gerard Brannigan, Alan Grant, Micky Cuarn are not up to standard. Can somebody enlighten me on how these fellas are actually judged to become referees? Do they just ring up the secretary and thats it? If they go through training regimes/ gaelic rule classes and then are asked to put on the jersey then this shows just how fragile and naive the county is right now. A whole re-think throughout the county must happen next year both on the pitch and off it!

:o  Mickey Curran was our ref last nite!  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 01, 2009, 07:25:45 PM
Town Gael - Have you ever considered just accepting a Castlewellan defeat like a mature adult and just getting on with it? You do some serious excuse making.

You remind me of a mate of mine who used to tell you after a defeat that his team missed four goals and six points and that the referee's 2nd cousin three times removed played for the other team and thats why he favoured them.

Just on the Championships. What is everyone opinions on the various grades?

Bryansford and the Bridge are the two favourites for the SFC while Id say Atticall, Downpatrick and maybe Kilclief will take some beating in the IFC. Glenn are shoe-ins for the JFC and to me they represent our best chance of success in the Ulster club scene this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 01, 2009, 07:40:52 PM
Div one played tonight.
Rostrever 1.13 Loughinisland 0.8

Island a pale shadow of their last year championship team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 01, 2009, 07:49:02 PM
Did they even get 0-8? They were very poor and were held to 0-3 for most of the match until the last few minutes. Having said that rostrevors tackling and work rate was very good this evening! Im sure Dan will be back for the championship for l'island but did both the o'reillys go to australia? I know only Jamie got a trial but did the brother go with?! If so this is a big blow to their attack as the looked toothless upfront tonight, only No.14 Stranney caused any real bother!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 01, 2009, 08:14:33 PM
Just a question for Rostrevor ones. If Adrian Mackin got his act together he'd be county standard wouldnt he?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 01, 2009, 08:46:03 PM
Without a doubt he would be well fit for county football, the lad has incredible feet and footballing ability. The only thing about Adrian is he gets a fair few injuries during the year so he never seems to get a good run all season. Was very good for the county u21s when he played. In addition he may not have the time to commit as he has 2 young children and his work and children woiuld probably take priority.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 01, 2009, 09:27:13 PM
A few years back the County invited people to become referee assessors did this ever happen, i did think of going along myself but when i realised how much shite i can give to refs i felt it unjust that i shoud rule the thumb over them.
In div 4 this year the Bosco have been lucly enough with the refs we have had maybe because we have had the game won in the 1st half. The presures in the higher divs must be emense for clubs to get results so obviously the ref is always going to be centre of attention.
My main gripe with referees is the ones who are 5 stone over weight and cannot move 10yds either side of the mid field line. We all know them., but no matter what age group our level of football we watch we are all referees but not wearing the black.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 01, 2009, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: boscomo on August 01, 2009, 09:27:13 PM
A few years back the County invited people to become referee assessors did this ever happen, i did think of going along myself but when i realised how much shite i can give to refs i felt it unjust that i shoud rule the thumb over them.
In div 4 this year the Bosco have been lucly enough with the refs we have had maybe because we have had the game won in the 1st half. The presures in the higher divs must be emense for clubs to get results so obviously the ref is always going to be centre of attention.
My main gripe with referees is the ones who are 5 stone over weight and cannot move 10yds either side of the mid field line. We all know them., but no matter what age group our level of football we watch we are all referees but not wearing the black.

And also to opposing players, managers etc boscomo ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on August 01, 2009, 09:47:07 PM
I'm 16 and was looking at becoming a ref but it's never got off the ground, although frm what I heard from club sec. the county run 4 sessions culminating in a test at the sleive.

The fitness tests are nowhere near what HQ specify which isn't right IMO especially if the ref in question had Div/Intercounty aspirations although I imagine this would soon be established.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 01, 2009, 10:51:58 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 01, 2009, 07:25:45 PM
Town Gael - Have you ever considered just accepting a Castlewellan defeat like a mature adult and just getting on with it? You do some serious excuse making.

You remind me of a mate of mine who used to tell you after a defeat that his team missed four goals and six points and that the referee's 2nd cousin three times removed played for the other team and thats why he favoured them.

Just on the Championships. What is everyone opinions on the various grades?

Bryansford and the Bridge are the two favourites for the SFC while Id say Atticall, Downpatrick and maybe Kilclief will take some beating in the IFC. Glenn are shoe-ins for the JFC and to me they represent our best chance of success in the Ulster club scene this year.


Down Fanatic if you read what I posted last night you wil see that I said Castlewellan were very poor, no excuses for losing. Burren were miles the better side. I simply questioned the performance of the referee which was below par. Nothing wrong with that. No excuses for our hammering, impossible to blame the ref on a 13 point defeat. However He was to blame for a number of poor decisions, not least the sending off of our corner forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 01, 2009, 10:54:33 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 01, 2009, 10:51:58 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 01, 2009, 07:25:45 PM
Town Gael - Have you ever considered just accepting a Castlewellan defeat like a mature adult and just getting on with it? You do some serious excuse making.

You remind me of a mate of mine who used to tell you after a defeat that his team missed four goals and six points and that the referee's 2nd cousin three times removed played for the other team and thats why he favoured them.

Just on the Championships. What is everyone opinions on the various grades?

Bryansford and the Bridge are the two favourites for the SFC while Id say Atticall, Downpatrick and maybe Kilclief will take some beating in the IFC. Glenn are shoe-ins for the JFC and to me they represent our best chance of success in the Ulster club scene this year.


Down Fanatic if you read what I posted last night you wil see that I said Castlewellan were very poor, no excuses for losing. Burren were miles the better side. I simply questioned the performance of the referee which was below par. Nothing wrong with that. No excuses for our hammering, impossible to blame the ref on a 13 point defeat. However He was to blame for a number of poor decisions, not least the sending off of our corner forward.


Who by all accounts yaps constantly at referee's week in week out!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 01, 2009, 11:33:31 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on July 26, 2009, 10:53:04 PM
Longstone vs Castlewellan.
Longstone showed a certian nastiness to their play which I had rarely witnessed before. However ref Gabriel Tumelty was a true home town referee and gave them so many decisions even the Mourne supporters were embarrassed- how he only sent off their full forward for 2 yellows is a mystery ( He got his second yellow for striking- since when was striking a yellow offence?)!
It was a decent game- Castlewellan hit 11 wides in the first half alone. Longstone played well against the wind though got an opportunist penalty towards the end of the first half when a dive pulled the wool over the refs eyes. However the penalty itself was expertly placed in the top right had corner and no keeper would have had a chance of saving it.
The second half was an even affair with few scores with both teams wasting chances.

Referee again ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 01, 2009, 11:51:47 PM
14   GAA Discussion / GAA Discussion / Re: Wicklow v Down. Aughrim 3pm Saturday. Live on RTE  on: July 19, 2009, 10:51:50 AM 
Ross has proved to be tactically inept, I've no idea what was going on in his mind yesterday. Kevin Duffin sitting on the line cost us as we had 3 scoreable frees that would been chipped over by Duffins left foot. Why take off Hanna as well?  Aidan Carr was awful against Fermanagh and just as bad yesterday.
The ref too was a disgrace- he shouldn't even be allowed to take charge of an u-8 game

Ok, this was a county game, but once again as pointed out by dundrumite, it seemed to be the referee's fault ??? :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 02, 2009, 01:50:01 AM
Whatever about the quality of refs, they are from your club and my club and without them we would be playing f**k all on a Friday night.

At the same time they are lifting good coin for every match they ref.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 02, 2009, 02:23:40 AM
Quote from: boscomo on August 01, 2009, 09:27:13 PM
A few years back the County invited people to become referee assessors did this ever happen

I volunteered to be an assessor at the time but when I saw the form filling required it scared me off.  Designed by the same person as did the DLA claim form I believe. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 02, 2009, 11:23:12 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 01, 2009, 11:51:47 PM
14   GAA Discussion / GAA Discussion / Re: Wicklow v Down. Aughrim 3pm Saturday. Live on RTE  on: July 19, 2009, 10:51:50 AM 
Ross has proved to be tactically inept, I've no idea what was going on in his mind yesterday. Kevin Duffin sitting on the line cost us as we had 3 scoreable frees that would been chipped over by Duffins left foot. Why take off Hanna as well?  Aidan Carr was awful against Fermanagh and just as bad yesterday.
The ref too was a disgrace- he shouldn't even be allowed to take charge of an u-8 game

Ok, this was a county game, but once again as pointed out by dundrumite, it seemed to be the referee's fault ??? :P

So you think the ref in the Down-Wicklow game was good then? When a ref at a game I'm at has a poor game I will say it but what I have not said in any postings is that the ref cost us a game.  Their performances can contribute to the result as was the case when we lost to the Stone but as was also the case when we beat Saval by a point at the start of the season, a game we didn't deserve to win and would not have won if the Saval players had not yapped to the ref so much- the more they yapped the more he gave us to a ridiculous extent. I can see it both ways.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 02, 2009, 01:00:51 PM
towngael would you FFS dry your eyes & stop harping on about referee's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 02, 2009, 02:04:38 PM
Quote from: boscomo on August 01, 2009, 09:27:13 PM
A few years back the County invited people to become referee assessors did this ever happen, i did think of going along myself but when i realised how much shite i can give to refs and opposition players i felt it unjust that i shoud rule the thumb over them.
In div 4 this year the Bosco have been lucly enough with the refs we have had maybe because we have had the game won in the 1st half. The presures in the higher divs must be emense for clubs to get results so obviously the ref is always going to be centre of attention.
My main gripe with referees is the ones who are 5 stone over weight and cannot move 10yds either side of the mid field line. We all know them., but no matter what age group our level of football we watch we are all referees but not wearing the black.

"Break that f**ker McComiskey's legs!"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 02, 2009, 03:06:44 PM
Clonduff 0-10  Castlewellan 3-11

Div 1 on Saturday night.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 02, 2009, 03:46:52 PM
I wonder how the referee done at this game towngael?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 02, 2009, 03:50:06 PM
No idea Mourne Rambler as it wasn't played- Down fanatic is making things up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 02, 2009, 04:52:52 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 01, 2009, 07:49:02 PM
Did they even get 0-8? They were very poor and were held to 0-3 for most of the match until the last few minutes. Having said that rostrevors tackling and work rate was very good this evening! Im sure Dan will be back for the championship for l'island but did both the o'reillys go to australia? I know only Jamie got a trial but did the brother go with?! If so this is a big blow to their attack as the looked toothless upfront tonight, only No.14 Stranney caused any real bother!

Yep, Island did get 8 points according to Rostrevor club's scoreboard at the end of the game.
Rostrever 1.13 Loughinisland 0.8

DownFanatic was quoting the div one game in Ladies match between Clonduff and Castlewellan,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 02, 2009, 05:19:56 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 02, 2009, 03:50:06 PM
No idea Mourne Rambler as it wasn't played- Down fanatic is making things up

I wasnt making stuff up. It was a Ladies game  ;)

Although I heard the referee was a disgrace  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 02, 2009, 05:58:46 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 02, 2009, 03:50:06 PM
No idea Mourne Rambler as it wasn't played- Down fanatic is making things up


I think you ought to apologise to DownFanatic for your ignorance towards him & your clubmates
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on August 02, 2009, 06:11:07 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 02, 2009, 04:52:52 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 01, 2009, 07:49:02 PM
Did they even get 0-8? They were very poor and were held to 0-3 for most of the match until the last few minutes. Having said that rostrevors tackling and work rate was very good this evening! Im sure Dan will be back for the championship for l'island but did both the o'reillys go to australia? I know only Jamie got a trial but did the brother go with?! If so this is a big blow to their attack as the looked toothless upfront tonight, only No.14 Stranney caused any real bother!

Yep, Island did get 8 points according to Rostrevor club's scoreboard at the end of the game.
Rostrever 1.13 Loughinisland 0.8

DownFanatic was quoting the div one game in Ladies match between Clonduff and Castlewellan,


If the grape vine is to be believed the younger brother got scouted by St Kilda
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on August 02, 2009, 07:39:27 PM
Quote from: southdown on August 01, 2009, 12:33:51 PM
Quote from: miss mess on July 31, 2009, 11:11:26 PM
leo smyth was the referree tonight for the stone match, terrible, gave two penalties and i still dont know what for.

What happened in the Point last night, were we rubbish or were the Point good?

Bita both.  Just one of those nights when you knew it wasnt going to go our way plus we scored an own goal which didnt help.  Though at this time of the year, it was just good to come out with no injuries in bad conditions less than a week before the Championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 02, 2009, 07:58:16 PM
anyone got next weeks fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on August 02, 2009, 09:10:39 PM

Thursday 6th August
7.30pm SFC in Newcastle, Liatroim v Longstone
7.30pm IFC in Darragh Cross, Ardglass v Carryduff


Friday 7th August
6.30pm IFC in Clonduff, Glasdrumman v Drumaness
7.45pm SFC in Clonduff, Bryansford v Kilcoo


Saturday 8th August
4.30pm IFC in Dundrum, Shamrocks v Kilclief
6pm SFC in Castlewellan, Clann Na Banna v An Riocht
7.45pm SFC in Castlewellan, Loughinisland v Warrenpoint


Sunday 9th August
1.00pm JFC in Ballykinlar, Dromara v Aughlisnafin
1.00pm JFC in Annaclone, St Michaels v Glenn
1.00pm JFC in Newcastle, Mitchels v Teconnaught
3.00pm IFC in Burren, Ballymartin v Drumgath
4.30pm SFC in Burren, Saval v Castlewellan
6.00pm SFC in Newry, Mayobridge v Annaclone
7.30pm SFC in Newry, Clonduff v Rostrevor


Monday 10th August
7.30pm SFC in Saval, Ballyholland v Burren
7.30pm IFC in Bright, Dundrum v Saul
7.30pm IFC in Loughinisland, Bredagh v Atticall

Tuesday 11th August
7.30pm IFC in Newcastle, Downpatrick v Tullylish
7.30pm IFC in Teconnaught, Darragh Cross v St Johns

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 03, 2009, 11:35:40 AM
Anyone know if Clonduff V Castlewellan game is on tonight and where?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 03, 2009, 11:44:22 AM
Clonduff- Castlewellan game is off tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 03, 2009, 03:21:31 PM
Does anyone know the results from Sunday's Premier Reserve games?
What's the story with the Down website?  It's down a lot lately
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 03, 2009, 03:29:06 PM
As in yesterday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 03, 2009, 03:39:01 PM
anyone got this weeks east down fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 03, 2009, 04:30:14 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 03, 2009, 03:29:06 PM
As in yesterday?
Yea, yesterday's results
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 03, 2009, 04:53:24 PM

Shameless plug folks:

Liatroim Fontenoys GAC Festival 2009

The festival will take place from Thursday 6th – Sunday 9th August line up as follows:

Thursday 6th August – The House Mates

Friday 7th August – Country & Western night with Mike Denver

Saturday 8th August – The Coronas

Sunday 9th August –The Chevys and monster bingo in the afternoon

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 03, 2009, 05:01:02 PM
East Down GAA Fixtures
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 18 League         
Date  Tuesday  4th  August Time 7.30pm         
U-18 Football League Section "A" 2009         Referee
   Round Thirteen         
   Loughinisland   v   Bryansford   D Laverty
   St. Mary's   v   Castlewellan   P Brannigan
   Bredagh   v   Carryduff   M Davey
            
U-18 Football League Section "B" 2009            
   Round Thirteen         
   Ardglass   v   St. Joseph's   P McCartan
   Teconnaught   v   St, John's   J McMullan
   Drumaness   v   Cill Darrach   G Tumelty
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 16 League         
Date  Wednesday 5th August  Time 7.30pm         
U-16 Football League Section "A" 2009   
   St. Mary's    v    Carryduff   D Laverty
   Bryansford   v   Saul   P McCartan
U-16 Football League Section "B" 2009   
   Bredagh   v   Ardglass   J Magennis
            
   Gerry Hynds Trophies Downpatrick   
Date  Thursday 6th August Time 7.30pm         
U-14  "B" Football Championship 
   St. John's   v   Drumaness   J Mc Mullan
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 14 League         
Date  Thursday  6th August   Time 7.30pm         
U-14 Football League Section "A"    
   Kilcoo   v   Bredagh   M Brady
            
U-14 Football League Section "B1"    
   Bredagh   v   Downpatrick   G Marks
            
U-14 Football League Section "B2"    
   St. Paul's    v   Liatroim   E Mulvenna
   Loughinisland   v   Teconnaught   G Burns
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 12 League         
Date Sunday 9th August  Time 12.30pm         
U-12 Football League Section "A" 2009   
   Carryduff   v   St. Paul's   G Burns
            
U-12 Football League Section "B"    
   Round. Fifteen         
   Liatroim      Ardglass   C McAlinden
   Castlewellan      Saul   M McAnulty
   Carryduff      Cill Darach   A Sharvin
   Loughinisland      St. John's   M Brady
            
U-12 Football League Section "C"    
   Round Fourteen          
   St. Joseph's   v   Drumaness   A Sharvin
            
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 18 League         
Date  Tuesday  11th  August Time 7.30pm         
U-18 Football League Section "A"          
   Round Fourteen          
   Loughinisland   v   St. Mary's   L Morgan
   Castlewellan   v   Bryansford   G Tumelty
   Kilcoo   v   Bredagh   E O'Hare
U-18 Football League Section "B"          
   Round Fourteen         
   Teconnaught      Drumaness   P McCartan
   Cill Darrach      St, John's   P Gelston
            

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 03, 2009, 05:07:14 PM
 Liatriom v Longstone       
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 04, 2009, 10:03:12 AM
Lads can you let me know the times (roughly) when the county website has been down over the last few days.  I've been told it was down last night around 8ish, did anyone else have a problem getting on it last night? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 04, 2009, 10:32:07 AM
It was down all day yesterday from about 8.00am until 10.00pm. I tried several times to check fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 04, 2009, 11:53:20 AM
I was on it yesterday during the day for sure and it was ok.  What browser were you using?  I.E. 8?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 04, 2009, 12:00:04 PM
I was on during the day in work yesterday and it was ok. But about 9.30 last night I went on and only the green background screen loaded up, after a few F5s it was ok but it didnt load as normal!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 04, 2009, 02:28:48 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 04, 2009, 11:53:20 AM
I was on it yesterday during the day for sure and it was ok.  What browser were you using?  I.E. 8?
Firefox.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 04, 2009, 06:02:11 PM
 Liatriom v Longstone         
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on August 04, 2009, 11:24:16 PM
St pauls bredagh a draw. Fair result according to my neutral spy. St pauls cf busted off ball, off to hospital. I was wrong with my first guess as to the assailant.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 09:22:33 AM
Quote from: passedit on August 04, 2009, 11:24:16 PM
St pauls cf busted off ball, off to hospital. I was wrong with my first guess as to the assailant.

which has also resulted in a broken jaw for our centre forward in a judas act by the bredagh player. hope he is proud of himself this morning!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 05, 2009, 09:30:17 AM
Any posters know betting odds for the SFC games this wekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 05, 2009, 09:58:38 AM
Quote from: passedit on August 04, 2009, 11:24:16 PM
St pauls bredagh a draw. Fair result according to my neutral spy. St pauls cf busted off ball, off to hospital. I was wrong with my first guess as to the assailant.

Who was the CF? I am sure your first guess and mine would be similar.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 05, 2009, 10:06:14 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 05, 2009, 09:58:38 AM
Quote from: passedit on August 04, 2009, 11:24:16 PM
St pauls bredagh a draw. Fair result according to my neutral spy. St pauls cf busted off ball, off to hospital. I was wrong with my first guess as to the assailant.

Who was the CF? I am sure your first guess and mine would be similar.
Would he have ginger hair?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 10:17:02 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 05, 2009, 09:58:38 AM
Quote from: passedit on August 04, 2009, 11:24:16 PM
St pauls bredagh a draw. Fair result according to my neutral spy. St pauls cf busted off ball, off to hospital. I was wrong with my first guess as to the assailant.

Who was the CF? I am sure your first guess and mine would be similar.

our centre forward was a guy called Benny Treanor and has only just joined the club this year. one of the quietest players on the squad.

Quote from: off the laces on August 05, 2009, 10:06:14 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 05, 2009, 09:58:38 AM
Quote from: passedit on August 04, 2009, 11:24:16 PM
St pauls bredagh a draw. Fair result according to my neutral spy. St pauls cf busted off ball, off to hospital. I was wrong with my first guess as to the assailant.

Who was the CF? I am sure your first guess and mine would be similar.
Would he have ginger hair?

not sure of what actually happened as i wasn't watching but from what i gather Benny was caught by an elbow thrown as he ran passed the Bredagh man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 11:21:36 AM
the st.pauls player was blocking his runs resulting in the incident
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 11:27:03 AM
*according to a player
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on August 05, 2009, 11:29:45 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 11:21:36 AM
the st.pauls player was blocking his runs resulting in the incident

So he was kicked on the head for blocking someone's runs, the guy has to have a metal plate inserted.

Football should never come to that, people have to go to work the next day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 11:30:24 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 11:21:36 AM
the st.pauls player was blocking his runs resulting in the incident

so that gives the Bredagh player a right to do what he did, resulting in a broken jaw? what a brave man!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 05, 2009, 11:49:00 AM
Quote from: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 11:30:24 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 11:21:36 AM
the st.pauls player was blocking his runs resulting in the incident

so that gives the Bredagh player a right to kick a man while on the ground, resulting in a broken jaw? what a brave man!
so will breadagh do the decent thing and name the culprit, and like Ballinderry suspend him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 05, 2009, 11:51:57 AM
The word on the grapevine is that castlewellan failed to field against clonduff on monday night in the ACFL Div1 re-fixture. Apparently the ref deemed the pitch playable and was out on the field with clonduff players ready for throw-in when castlewellan took themselves off to train at the bann road pitch. The ref threw the ball in and subsequently blew the match off. Any truth in this?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 12:02:44 PM
Quote from: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 11:30:24 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 11:21:36 AM
the st.pauls player was blocking his runs resulting in the incident

so that gives the Bredagh player a right to kick a man while on the ground, resulting in a broken jaw? what a brave man!

from what i heard thats not what happened
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 12:06:59 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 12:02:44 PM
Quote from: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 11:30:24 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 11:21:36 AM
the st.pauls player was blocking his runs resulting in the incident

so that gives the Bredagh player a right to kick a man while on the ground, resulting in a broken jaw? what a brave man!

from what i heard thats not what happened

then enlighten us with the version of the story that you heard then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 05, 2009, 12:11:05 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 05, 2009, 11:51:57 AM
The word on the grapevine is that castlewellan failed to field against clonduff on monday night in the ACFL Div1 re-fixture. Apparently the ref deemed the pitch playable and was out on the field with clonduff players ready for throw-in when castlewellan took themselves off to train at the bann road pitch. The ref threw the ball in and subsequently blew the match off. Any truth in this?



Yup. Castlewellan contacted the county board early on Monday to say they thought the pitch was dangerously soft on the dugout side of the field and the pitch was unplayable. They also asked Seamus Walsh to inspect the pitch. He said it was unplayable but the decision was not down to him. The county board told them to get an official ref to inspect the pitch and make a call. So Castlewellan did this and the ref agreed it was unplayable.  The relevant people from Clonduff and the county board were informed around 1pm of this official decision and told to postpone the match. Someone in the county board then decided this was not on and told Clonduff and the ref to turn up. However when Barry Andrews eventually turned up the Castlewellan players had all long gone and had started to train on their Dublin Road pitch. He then overturned the earlier decision, claimed the pitch was not dangerous and awarded Clonduff the points.

You decide who is to blame.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 12:33:56 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 12:02:44 PM
Quote from: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 11:30:24 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 11:21:36 AM
the st.pauls player was blocking his runs resulting in the incident

so that gives the Bredagh player a right to kick a man while on the ground, resulting in a broken jaw? what a brave man!

from what i heard thats not what happened

your right, that's not how it happened, as i have just been told exactly what happened. as i said before i didn't see it happening first hand, just him lying on the ground with a few players around him. still, what happened was a judas act, but as OTL asked, will Bredagh do the decent thing if asked by the county board to name and shame the player? i think not!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on August 05, 2009, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 12:33:56 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 12:02:44 PM
Quote from: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 11:30:24 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 11:21:36 AM
the st.pauls player was blocking his runs resulting in the incident

so that gives the Bredagh player a right to kick a man while on the ground, resulting in a broken jaw? what a brave man!

from what i heard thats not what happened

your right, that's not how it happened, as i have just been told exactly what happened. as i said before i didn't see it happening first hand, just him lying on the ground with a few players around him. still, what happened was a judas act, but as OTL asked, will Bredagh do the decent thing if asked by the county board to name and shame the player? i think not!

I have heard that the player was elbowed in the face resulting in a broken jaw-requiring a plate, and the loss of 3 back teeth. There is absolutely no place for this in our game!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 01:21:45 PM
Quote from: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 12:33:56 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 12:02:44 PM
Quote from: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 11:30:24 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 11:21:36 AM
the st.pauls player was blocking his runs resulting in the incident

so that gives the Bredagh player a right to kick a man while on the ground, resulting in a broken jaw? what a brave man!

from what i heard thats not what happened

your right, that's not how it happened, as i have just been told exactly what happened. as i said before i didn't see it happening first hand, just him lying on the ground with a few players around him. still, what happened was a judas act, but as OTL asked, will Bredagh do the decent thing if asked by the county board to name and shame the player? i think not!

given they havent been asked there is little point speculating or stirring the pot
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 01:46:22 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 01:21:45 PM
Quote from: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 12:33:56 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 12:02:44 PM
Quote from: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 11:30:24 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 11:21:36 AM
the st.pauls player was blocking his runs resulting in the incident

so that gives the Bredagh player a right to kick a man while on the ground, resulting in a broken jaw? what a brave man!

from what i heard thats not what happened

your right, that's not how it happened, as i have just been told exactly what happened. as i said before i didn't see it happening first hand, just him lying on the ground with a few players around him. still, what happened was a judas act, but as OTL asked, will Bredagh do the decent thing if asked by the county board to name and shame the player? i think not!

given they havent been asked there is little point speculating or stirring the pot

well, we intend on asking the CB to investigate the incident as the referee toook the easy way out and did nothing about it at the time, so if Bredagh are asked by them to name the player, we would hope they do the decent thing and oblige!! you still haven't given us your version of events!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on August 05, 2009, 02:04:42 PM
The minor quarter final between Down and Dublin has been rescheduled for Sat Aug 15th in Breffni Park.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 02:06:22 PM
i was told his runs were being blocked and the incident happened. all of us who have played have been in that situation before and would know about the tussling that takes place to get free, this was a very unfortunate occasion and there is no way serious injury was intended
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 05, 2009, 02:16:59 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 02:06:22 PM
i was told his runs were being blocked and the incident happened. all of us who have played have been in that situation before and would know about the tussling that takes place to get free, this was a very unfortunate occasion and there is no way serious injury was intended

i wasnt at the game, didn't see the incident and havent heard the right way of it but if it is true that his jaw is broken to the extent that he needs a plate and has lost teeth im almost positive that the words in bold are total rubbish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 02:06:22 PM
i was told his runs were being blocked and the incident happened. all of us who have played have been in that situation before and would know about the tussling that takes place to get free, this was a very unfortunate occasion and there is no way serious injury was intended

his runs were being blocked! so that would mean our player would have had to have been infromt of him when the incident took place. strange that, saying as the Bredagh player swung his elbow back in to his jaw, with so much force that it broke it so badly that he needs a plate inserted into it? if it had just been some tussling then it would not have been such a bad injury, perhaps a bit of bruising, not a broken jaw!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 02:46:33 PM
why are you so sure it was an elbow? my sympathies are with the injured player but there is no way you can claim that the bredagh player intended to break his jaw

Quote from: behind the wire on August 05, 2009, 02:16:59 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 02:06:22 PM
i was told his runs were being blocked and the incident happened. all of us who have played have been in that situation before and would know about the tussling that takes place to get free, this was a very unfortunate occasion and there is no way serious injury was intended

i wasnt at the game, didn't see the incident and havent heard the right way of it but if it is true that his jaw is broken to the extent that he needs a plate and has lost teeth im almost positive that the words in bold are total rubbish.

then dont make serious assumptions

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 03:00:39 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 02:46:33 PM
why are you so sure it was an elbow?

does it matter if it was an elbow, fist or foot? which ever part of the body was used, there was enough force and intent behind it to cause serious injury. the fact he didn't intend to break his jaw is irrelavent, he was out to do damage, full stop!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 05, 2009, 03:05:38 PM
I made a reasonable assumption.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 05, 2009, 03:21:08 PM
Having witnessed something similar to this above happen to a clubmate a few months ago, I'd be fully behind one year bans for players involved in such incidents, and that the ban is extended to the whole club if they don't nominate the player involved. I can't recall anyone ever getting their jaw broke in a tackle. These things happen in one-off incidents.

Whether the offender intends to cause injury is irrelevant - drink drivers don't mean to mow down pedestrians, but it is a possible side effect of their actions, and one that they are aware of before engaging. Year long bans instead of two month bans hidden behind club officials and secrecy would go a long way towards preventing the problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 03:25:06 PM
with respect , i dont think its reasonable to say that a player set out to seriously injure another player when , as you say, the facts are not clear

Quote from: thewobbler on August 05, 2009, 03:21:08 PM
Having witnessed something similar to this above happen to a clubmate a few months ago, I'd be fully behind one year bans for players involved in such incidents, and that the ban is extended to the whole club if they don't nominate the player involved. I can't recall anyone ever getting their jaw broke in a tackle. These things happen in one-off incidents.

Whether the offender intends to cause injury is irrelevant - drink drivers don't mean to mow down pedestrians, but it is a possible side effect of their actions, and one that they are aware of before engaging. Year long bans instead of two month bans hidden behind club officials and secrecy would go a long way towards preventing the problem.

i agree, but it should also be a factor in determining any sanction should one be imposed. there is a difference between say going up and striking someone with intent to injure and something happening during a tussel. i just think we should wait until the facts are known
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 05, 2009, 03:26:42 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 03:25:06 PM
with respect , i dont think its reasonable to say that a player set out to seriously injure another player when , as you say, the facts are not clear

Quote from: thewobbler on August 05, 2009, 03:21:08 PM
Having witnessed something similar to this above happen to a clubmate a few months ago, I'd be fully behind one year bans for players involved in such incidents, and that the ban is extended to the whole club if they don't nominate the player involved. I can't recall anyone ever getting their jaw broke in a tackle. These things happen in one-off incidents.

Whether the offender intends to cause injury is irrelevant - drink drivers don't mean to mow down pedestrians, but it is a possible side effect of their actions, and one that they are aware of before engaging. Year long bans instead of two month bans hidden behind club officials and secrecy would go a long way towards preventing the problem.

i agree, but it should also be a factor in determining any sanction should one be imposed. there is a difference between say going up and striking someone with intent to injure and something happening during a tussel. i just think we should wait until the facts are known

i know the facts and there was no 'tussling' going on the the time of the incident.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 05, 2009, 04:06:46 PM
where did your last post go dodgy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 05, 2009, 04:08:55 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 05, 2009, 12:11:05 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 05, 2009, 11:51:57 AM
The word on the grapevine is that castlewellan failed to field against clonduff on monday night in the ACFL Div1 re-fixture. Apparently the ref deemed the pitch playable and was out on the field with clonduff players ready for throw-in when castlewellan took themselves off to train at the bann road pitch. The ref threw the ball in and subsequently blew the match off. Any truth in this?



Yup. Castlewellan contacted the county board early on Monday to say they thought the pitch was dangerously soft on the dugout side of the field and the pitch was unplayable. They also asked Seamus Walsh to inspect the pitch. He said it was unplayable but the decision was not down to him. The county board told them to get an official ref to inspect the pitch and make a call. So Castlewellan did this and the ref agreed it was unplayable.  The relevant people from Clonduff and the county board were informed around 1pm of this official decision and told to postpone the match. Someone in the county board then decided this was not on and told Clonduff and the ref to turn up. However when Barry Andrews eventually turned up the Castlewellan players had all long gone and had started to train on their Dublin Road pitch. He then overturned the earlier decision, claimed the pitch was not dangerous and awarded Clonduff the points.

You decide who is to blame.


Same old story then 'town gael', referee's fault as per usual, I look forward to the day that you are able to submit a post that doesn't point the finger of blame at the match referee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 05, 2009, 05:17:23 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 05, 2009, 04:08:55 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 05, 2009, 12:11:05 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 05, 2009, 11:51:57 AM
The word on the grapevine is that castlewellan failed to field against clonduff on monday night in the ACFL Div1 re-fixture. Apparently the ref deemed the pitch playable and was out on the field with clonduff players ready for throw-in when castlewellan took themselves off to train at the bann road pitch. The ref threw the ball in and subsequently blew the match off. Any truth in this?



Yup. Castlewellan contacted the county board early on Monday to say they thought the pitch was dangerously soft on the dugout side of the field and the pitch was unplayable. They also asked Seamus Walsh to inspect the pitch. He said it was unplayable but the decision was not down to him. The county board told them to get an official ref to inspect the pitch and make a call. So Castlewellan did this and the ref agreed it was unplayable.  The relevant people from Clonduff and the county board were informed around 1pm of this official decision and told to postpone the match. Someone in the county board then decided this was not on and told Clonduff and the ref to turn up. However when Barry Andrews eventually turned up the Castlewellan players had all long gone and had started to train on their Dublin Road pitch. He then overturned the earlier decision, claimed the pitch was not dangerous and awarded Clonduff the points.

You decide who is to blame.


Same old story then 'town gael', referee's fault as per usual, I look forward to the day that you are able to submit a post that doesn't point the finger of blame at the match referee.
I stated the facts mourneslabber, I didn't blame anyone. FACT- AN OFFICIAL REF DEEMED THE PITCH UNPLAYABLE BFORE ANOTHER REF  OVERULED THIS DECISION-  The points the Town gave up will be of no consequence to them come the end of the season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 05, 2009, 06:17:32 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 05, 2009, 05:17:23 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 05, 2009, 04:08:55 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 05, 2009, 12:11:05 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 05, 2009, 11:51:57 AM
The word on the grapevine is that castlewellan failed to field against clonduff on monday night in the ACFL Div1 re-fixture. Apparently the ref deemed the pitch playable and was out on the field with clonduff players ready for throw-in when castlewellan took themselves off to train at the bann road pitch. The ref threw the ball in and subsequently blew the match off. Any truth in this?



Yup. Castlewellan contacted the county board early on Monday to say they thought the pitch was dangerously soft on the dugout side of the field and the pitch was unplayable. They also asked Seamus Walsh to inspect the pitch. He said it was unplayable but the decision was not down to him. The county board told them to get an official ref to inspect the pitch and make a call. So Castlewellan did this and the ref agreed it was unplayable.  The relevant people from Clonduff and the county board were informed around 1pm of this official decision and told to postpone the match. Someone in the county board then decided this was not on and told Clonduff and the ref to turn up. However when Barry Andrews eventually turned up the Castlewellan players had all long gone and had started to train on their Dublin Road pitch. He then overturned the earlier decision, claimed the pitch was not dangerous and awarded Clonduff the points.

You decide who is to blame.


Same old story then 'town gael', referee's fault as per usual, I look forward to the day that you are able to submit a post that doesn't point the finger of blame at the match referee.
I stated the facts mourneslabber, I didn't blame anyone. FACT- AN OFFICIAL REF DEEMED THE PITCH UNPLAYABLE BFORE ANOTHER REF  OVERULED THIS DECISION-  The points the Town gave up will be of no consequence to them come the end of the season

Oh dear, I knew we'd see the towny side of you sooner or later ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 05, 2009, 07:17:25 PM
 Liatriom v Longstone        
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on August 05, 2009, 07:54:07 PM
Whelland threw the elbow in O'se on Monday, had he been the height of your average player it would have hit the jaw, in saying that though how often does the little elbow to get away from a man break a jaw? Certainly not as often as the full on blow intended to injure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on August 05, 2009, 10:09:09 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on August 05, 2009, 03:25:06 PM
with respect , i dont think its reasonable to say that a player set out to seriously injure another player when , as you say, the facts are not clear

Quote from: thewobbler on August 05, 2009, 03:21:08 PM
Having witnessed something similar to this above happen to a clubmate a few months ago, I'd be fully behind one year bans for players involved in such incidents, and that the ban is extended to the whole club if they don't nominate the player involved. I can't recall anyone ever getting their jaw broke in a tackle. These things happen in one-off incidents.

Whether the offender intends to cause injury is irrelevant - drink drivers don't mean to mow down pedestrians, but it is a possible side effect of their actions, and one that they are aware of before engaging. Year long bans instead of two month bans hidden behind club officials and secrecy would go a long way towards preventing the problem.

i agree, but it should also be a factor in determining any sanction should one be imposed. there is a difference between say going up and striking someone with intent to injure and something happening during a tussel. i just think we should wait until the facts are known

As someone who was at the game and witnessed the incident I can tell you that the incident happened 50 meters away from where the ball was.. Also the referee had his back to it as he was following play and couldn't have seen what happened.  It was a cowardly, Judas act and Bredagh need to root this player out and shame him for his shameful, dispicable, cowardly actions...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 05, 2009, 10:15:32 PM
When a player strikes another player with his elbow or fist he is obviously intent on doing damage. He has to take responsibility for actions. Simple as that.

If Bredagh don't put the culprit's name forward then I believe they should be ejected from the League and the Intermediate Championship (should they progress). The club should be fined, the culprit suspended and the three office bearers suspended as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on August 05, 2009, 11:06:53 PM
With regards the incident in the bredagh st pauls game last night people need to take a step back and calm down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 06, 2009, 08:00:11 AM
Just after reading Matt Fitzpatricks preview to Stone v Liatroim and Ford v Kilcoo in Irish News. That man seriously has not a clue. He mentions Kilcoo will look to minor stars Ollie and Ciaran McClean and Darragh OHanlon. For a start Darragh is 16 and is not allowed to play any adult football while Ollie has never played a level above minors never mind senior championship. Ciaran is a senior panelist and probably wont even be in first 24 havin only featured in one league game all year.
Every year Matt writes the biggest pile off shite. I wonder where he gets his information from because he has not been at one Kilcoo game this year and i doubt if he has seen the fontenoys, stone or the Ford. Its pretty bad when you cant get and accurate preview off whos involved in the Irish News.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 06, 2009, 08:58:17 AM
I thought his description of Carryduff vs Ardglass as a derby match was quite bizarre.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on August 06, 2009, 09:43:36 AM
And every week in the Down Recorder the blind man and his dog would realise he didn't have enough content for his column so decided to wish someone a happy birthday or bring up some stupid story he heard. Mans an Ejit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 06, 2009, 10:04:00 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 06, 2009, 08:58:17 AM
I thought his description of Carryduff vs Ardglass as a derby match was quite bizarre.
Just giving Ardglass a mention so he can get Tea and Biscuits again next time he is out there... ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 06, 2009, 10:06:58 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 06, 2009, 08:00:11 AM
Just after reading Matt Fitzpatricks preview to Stone v Liatroim and Ford v Kilcoo in Irish News. That man seriously has not a clue. He mentions Kilcoo will look to minor stars Ollie and Ciaran McClean and Darragh OHanlon. For a start Darragh is 16 and is not allowed to play any adult football while Ollie has never played a level above minors never mind senior championship. Ciaran is a senior panelist and probably wont even be in first 24 havin only featured in one league game all year.
Every year Matt writes the biggest pile off shite. I wonder where he gets his information from because he has not been at one Kilcoo game this year and i doubt if he has seen the fontenoys, stone or the Ford. Its pretty bad when you cant get and accurate preview off whos involved in the Irish News.

Matt quotes off any county players from that club and goes from there even if they're retired a good few years previous. He's been using this technique for as long as I can remember.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 06, 2009, 11:00:02 AM
lads, forgive my ignorance, argument in work here that needs settled. How many players can actually strip out for championship over the weekend. i understood that ye had to name panel of 24 to strip out (15 take the field and 9 named subs on the bench). is it possible that you could have any more than 9 stripped out on bench, obviosuly they arent named and cant play but can they, as panel members still be inside the dugout stripped, and be part of it all. Do clubs bring 30 and just name 24? i thought it was just 24 inside the wire and thats it, no more but this guy reckons not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 06, 2009, 11:30:27 AM
Tonights Betting!

5/4 Liatroim  6/1   Longstone 4/6
5/6   +1.5                -1.5      5/6


5/2 Ardglass  7/1   Carryduff  1/3
5/6      +4.5             -4.5     5/6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 06, 2009, 11:30:52 AM
At least Matt Fitzpatrick tried to put a bit of effort in to his Championship preview this week. The Mourne Observer carried about four small paragraphs in theirs and they only mentioned one JFC game and three IFC games.

Matt's previews and reviews are becoming seriously outdated. The terms 'well balanced team', 'sound defence' and 'fast moving attack' are used to describe every team he analyses.

His previews are also littered with innacuracies. For example, he has Paul O'Shea down as the Ardglass manager + the Kilcoo faux pas that Mid Down Gael alluded to.

I would be very confident of doing a much more comprehensive and accurate preview of our Championships than any local journalist.

Just a question: Is there a gap in the market for a monthly Down GAA magazine? Surely something like this could work well. With the right contributors it would offer much better local GAA coverage than our weekly newspapers which generally just rely on club PRO's submitting match reports and club notes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 06, 2009, 11:36:59 AM
you should bring that plan to the dragons den Down Fanatic

Matt also named a player who has played 1 game this season for Darragh Cross as one of their key men.

He has used the opening line - Its championship time again, for the last 20 years!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 06, 2009, 11:38:43 AM
Quote from: maldini on August 06, 2009, 11:36:59 AM
you should bring that plan to the dragons den Down Fanatic

Matt also named a player who has played 1 game this season for Darragh Cross as one of their key men.

He has used the opening line - Its championship time again, for the last 20 years!

Theo Paphitis would never entertain it. He's a soccer man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nailed On on August 06, 2009, 11:41:52 AM
Quote from: D4S on August 06, 2009, 11:30:27 AM
Tonights Betting!

5/4 Liatroim  6/1   Longstone 4/6
5/6   +1.5                -1.5      5/6


5/2 Ardglass  7/1   Carryduff  1/3
5/6      +4.5             -4.5     5/6

This from Hughes' D4S?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 06, 2009, 11:42:43 AM
Matts coverage is a load of bollix. His previews just consist of listing players names he thinks might still be playing whether thay are retired , dead, or emigrated and his chat is more of a name dropping exercise
His analysis is shocking but it mirrors the attitude of the Down Recorder to Gaelic games.
If it was not for the clubs sending in their notes there would be nothing of note.
At least the democrat made a good stab at objectively covering GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 06, 2009, 11:52:29 AM
Last year Matt mentioned 8 Castlewellan players in the Irish News- 5 of whom didn't even play last year!!! This is not making an effort, this is poor journalism. You wouldn't get away with such a lazy effort in any other job and going by the standard of reports on many Down club websites there are people within the county more than capable of doing a better job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downboy on August 06, 2009, 11:53:44 AM
Hey all , I am  brand spanking new so please be gentle

D4S - you have any odds for other games.

Specifically Castlewellan Saval if you have it
cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 06, 2009, 12:13:29 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 06, 2009, 11:00:02 AM
lads, forgive my ignorance, argument in work here that needs settled. How many players can actually strip out for championship over the weekend. i understood that ye had to name panel of 24 to strip out (15 take the field and 9 named subs on the bench). is it possible that you could have any more than 9 stripped out on bench, obviosuly they arent named and cant play but can they, as panel members still be inside the dugout stripped, and be part of it all. Do clubs bring 30 and just name 24? i thought it was just 24 inside the wire and thats it, no more but this guy reckons not.


Here's the rules Brick. Clear enough I think. Only 24 stripped but 11 officials allowed.

•Ensure that the passes are issued to players and team officials only. Persons without passes will not be permitted into the enclosed area even if they are players.
•Club chairman and secretary should be in the dugouts and be responsible for the actions of your players and team officials.
•Ensure that your substitutes and team officials remain in the dugouts at all times and do not interfere with linesmen or match officials.
•Teams playing in the second game of a double bill should ensure that all pre match warmups are done during the second half of the first game so as to ensure that your game starts at the appointed time.
•The maximum number of players allowed entry into the playing enclosure is 24 and these 24 names shall be numbered as per the teams sheets and the programme. The maximum number of officials permitted entry is 11 including the chairman and secretary. In addition 3 hurley carriers shall be allowed entry for a hurling game.
•Provide the host club with the team details (as they will be numbered on match day) at least 4 day's prior to the game.
•Failure to comply with any of these arrangements will result in the approitate  fine or other penatlies being imposed on the club as per rule.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 06, 2009, 12:15:10 PM
Yeh from Hughes's took a note of them

Friday night
1/4 Glassdrumman 7/1 Drumaness 3/1
4/5 Bryansford 6/1 Kilcoo 1/1

Saturday
9/4 Shamrocks 13/2 Kilclief 1/3
1/4 An Riocht 7/1 Clan na Banna 3/1
2/5 Loughinisland 13/2 Warrenpoint 2/1

Sunday
4/7 Ballymartin 6/1 Drumgath 6/4
5/6 Mayobridge -9.5   Annaclone +9.5 5/6
7/4 Clonduff 6/1 Rostrevor 1/2
4/6 Castlewellan 6/1 Saval 5/4

Monday
1/4 Burren 7/1 Ballyholland 3/1
4/6 Dundrum 6/1 Saul 5/4
5/2 Bredagh 13/2 Attical 2/7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 06, 2009, 12:19:32 PM
Any odds for Tuesdays games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 06, 2009, 12:31:20 PM
The Newry Reporter coverage of local GAA has definitely improved this last year or so.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 06, 2009, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 06, 2009, 12:31:20 PM
The Newry Reporter coverage of local GAA has definitely improved this last year or so.

Have to agree Brick....I think it's mostly down to a guy called Paul Welsh who would have been involved in putting together the Down Yearbook a few years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 06, 2009, 12:37:47 PM
Quote from: maldini on August 06, 2009, 12:19:32 PM
Any odds for Tuesdays games?

Nope
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: hectorsheroes on August 06, 2009, 12:45:27 PM
Where can you get a bet on these games, just Hughes in Newry?

Any potential odds or bookies around East Down area you could nip in and bet with?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 06, 2009, 12:48:04 PM
yeah Paul has pretty much revamped their GAA coverage, alot more reports, previews, pictures etc. There definitely was a lack of quality local GAA coverage in recent years. I also believe that most clubs are now more pro-active in terms of PRO which in turn feeds the papers. On Matt Fitzpatrick issue, ye have to wonder how lazy journalism like that can be allowed to be published, i mean its best not to report at all than to report somethin totally inaccurate or false.

always thought that the Armagh-Down observer was decently written for local GAA.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 06, 2009, 12:53:07 PM
With regard to the "elbowing incident".
Any man found guilty of doing anything of this nature & found to be  should get 12/18 months straight away.
There is too much of it in our game. Boys who havent an ounce of football/hurling in them are being put in for the simple reason to take oposition players out.  You can argue all you want but it happens & clearly still does.
In GAA ts too easy to get away with striking as Club officiials in general tend to protect their own & assume it was an altercation. Its creeping in more & more & managers encouraging it are a disgrace to the game.
If you put half the boys that do it on the street to fight they wouldnt as theres a fair chance they will get as much back. But on a GAA pitch its not only encouraged but as our laws have proven in the past its much easier to break someones jaw on a Gaelic field & get off than it is in public.
It annoys me that these cowards can potentially cause some young fella serious harm & walk away from it laughing to their mates!
By the way Im not referring to the Incident reported on here just to the act in general..........Rant over!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 06, 2009, 12:57:35 PM
There is a guy Fitzpatrick (not matt!!) that regularly attends games for the observer and provides a good standard of coverage for gaa games (mostly south down though)

Newry reporter seems to be good at the minute. paul welch does a good job, has a lot of experience covering gaa and knows what people want.

also an honourable mention to a member of the board who has been making great stides covering gaa in the banbridge area (something which was almost non existent in the areas back pages until recently)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 06, 2009, 01:07:52 PM
Quote from: hectorsheroes on August 06, 2009, 12:45:27 PM
Where can you get a bet on these games, just Hughes in Newry?

Any potential odds or bookies around East Down area you could nip in and bet with?

I'd imagine Toals in Downpatrick would have betting. Saweys in Newcastle and if they still have a Saweys in Castlewellan try there as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 06, 2009, 02:42:23 PM
Quote from: D4S on August 06, 2009, 12:15:10 PM
Yeh from Hughes's took a note of them

Friday night
1/4 Glassdrumman 7/1 Drumaness 3/1
4/5 Bryansford 6/1 Kilcoo 1/1

Saturday
9/4 Shamrocks 13/2 Kilclief 1/3
1/4 An Riocht 7/1 Clan na Banna 3/1
2/5 Loughinisland 13/2 Warrenpoint 2/1

Sunday
4/7 Ballymartin 6/1 Drumgath 6/4
5/6 Mayobridge -9.5   Annaclone +9.5 5/6
7/4 Clonduff 6/1 Rostrevor 1/2
4/6 Castlewellan 6/1 Saval 5/4

Monday
1/4 Burren 7/1 Ballyholland 3/1
4/6 Dundrum 6/1 Saul 5/4
5/2 Bredagh 13/2 Attical 2/7

Saval are great value at 5/4 and the point at 2/1 are worth a punt!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 06, 2009, 04:27:15 PM
Quote from: D4S on August 06, 2009, 11:30:27 AM
Tonights Betting!

5/4 Liatroim  6/1   Longstone 4/6
5/6   +1.5                -1.5      5/6


5/2 Ardglass  7/1   Carryduff  1/3
5/6      +4.5             -4.5     5/6

this will be tight game and may be worth a wee punt on Ardglass
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 06, 2009, 04:33:38 PM
Is it true it is £12 into the ford- kilcoo game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 06, 2009, 04:37:56 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 06, 2009, 04:33:38 PM
Is it true it is £12 into the ford- kilcoo game?

AFAIK it's £7 into a championship double header.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 06, 2009, 05:58:12 PM
If I see a preview or match report where Matt Fitz is the reporter then I dont read it.I remember he always used to say before Down Championship games that the Down defence was 'sound',when it has long been the weak area of the team.
He builds both teams up then says that one team should progress.I see in the Recorder this week he says that the whole of East Down is talking about the Ardglass/Carryduff game!!!hahaha.
Not so long ago he he stated that Kilcoo/Drumaness was the tie of the round in the East Down U-16 championship,a game that Kilcoo won by over 50 points.Could go on,but dont need to,mans an idiot,it also really annoys me that the Irish News employ him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 06, 2009, 06:23:30 PM
Saweys in Castlewellan taking senior championship bets for championship outright and first round games.

FAVOURITES OUTRIGHT

Bridge 2/1
Ford 4/1
Burren 4/1
Castlewellan 6/1
Kilcoo 13/2

Hope the stone dont make me sweat too much tonight. Only after sticking £100 on them at 4/6 to beat Liatroim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 06, 2009, 06:32:06 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 06, 2009, 06:23:30 PM
Saweys in Castlewellan taking senior championship bets for championship outright and first round games.

FAVOURITES OUTRIGHT

Bridge 2/1
Ford 4/1
Burren 4/1
Castlewellan 6/1
Kilcoo 13/2

Hope the stone dont make me sweat too much tonight. Only after sticking £100 on them at 4/6 to beat Liatroim.

Think Stone will win but I wouldnt of risked 100 on them. I dont think it would be considered a shock if Liatroim beat them. This game will probably go down to the wire.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 06, 2009, 06:39:09 PM
Doing this on mobile so hope its accepted

Longstone        
Bryansford v Kilcoo draw
An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint draw
Castlewellan
Mayobridge
Rostrevor
Burren

Intermediate Championship
Carryduff
Glasdrumman
Shamrocks v Kilclief draw
Ballymartin
Dundrum
Atticall
Downpatrick
Darragh Cross

Junior Football Championship

Dromara
Glenn
Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 06, 2009, 07:11:19 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 06, 2009, 06:23:30 PM
Hope the stone dont make me sweat too much tonight. Only after sticking £100 on them at 4/6 to beat Liatroim.

Good luck MDG, you a braver man than me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fred the red on August 06, 2009, 07:19:00 PM

Liatriom v Longstone        
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Clann na Banna v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Saval DRAW
Mayobridge v Annaclone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Burren

Intermediate Championship

Ardglass v Carryduff
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Shamrocks v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Drumgath
Dundrum v Saul
Bredagh v Atticall
Downpatrick v Tullylish
Darragh Cross v St Johns

Junior Football Championship

Dromara v Aughlisnafin
St Michaels v Glenn
Mitchels v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on August 06, 2009, 07:37:37 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on August 06, 2009, 05:58:12 PM
Not so long ago he he stated that Kilcoo/Drumaness was the tie of the round in the East Down U-16 championship,a game that Kilcoo won by over 50 points.

Any need ;) :P

And whats worse about Matt is that his stuff goes in the Irish News, I'd imagine there would be someone on here at every game, so a bief report from them, and then compiled by an editor would surely be of Better use to such a paper?
I don't know how you would go about removing him from the paper, maybe a few quality articles from GAA Board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 06, 2009, 09:04:11 PM
IFC in Darragh Cross :
Carryduff 1-6 Ardglass 1-10
Ardglass went down to 14men about half way through the first half, one of their men got a straight red for kicking a Carryduff boy. Carryduff led 1-5 to 0-4 just after half time but Ardglass got a lot of dubious refereeing decisions, and Carryduff had a man sent off half way through the 2nd half,didnt actually see the incident. Ardglass deserved their win in the end, scoring 1-6 without reply. Carryduff very poor in the 2nd half, no real target up front.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 06, 2009, 09:20:33 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on August 06, 2009, 07:11:19 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 06, 2009, 06:23:30 PM
Hope the stone dont make me sweat too much tonight. Only after sticking £100 on them at 4/6 to beat Liatroim.

Good luck MDG, you a braver man than me.

Brave but stupid. Ah well only a hundred. Hopefully get it back before weekends out. Liatroim deserved there victory, a foolish Barry Kelly cost the stone again. Miceal McCartan is some player. He was outstanding.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on August 06, 2009, 09:25:05 PM
What was the score in the Liatroim v Longstone game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 06, 2009, 09:26:25 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on August 06, 2009, 09:25:05 PM
What was the score in the Liatroim v Longstone game?

Longstone 0-13 Liatroim 0-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 06, 2009, 09:44:34 PM
If tonight is anything to go by, it'll be close to dark when tomorrow night's game is finished in Clonduff with the 7:45 throw-in & thought Liatroim deserved their victory tonight over Longstone but I expected to see a bigger turn out for the first senior championship game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 06, 2009, 09:46:20 PM
Barry Kelly sent off after a couple of minutes. Longstone got back in to it by halftime.

The 2nd half Liatroim's defence held stern while Miceal McCartan was simply outstanding in midfield. Patrick Pearse McCartan and Aidan O'Prey superb up front.

Liatroim will not win this Championship but they will give a good account of themselves in the quarter finals.

Liatroim 0-14  Longstone 0-13

Im shocked at that Carryduff/Ardglass result. Never seen that coming. The Duff must have fageted out in the face of intimidation  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 06, 2009, 10:02:01 PM
wobbller is a MOD  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 06, 2009, 10:02:41 PM
Quote from: wobbller on August 06, 2009, 09:47:08 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 06, 2009, 09:20:33 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on August 06, 2009, 07:11:19 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 06, 2009, 06:23:30 PM
Hope the stone dont make me sweat too much tonight. Only after sticking £100 on them at 4/6 to beat Liatroim.

Good luck MDG, you a braver man than me.

Brave but .......... stupid. Ah well only a hundred. Hopefully get it back before weekends out. Liatroim deserved there victory, a foolish Barry Kelly cost the stone again. Miceal McCartan is some player. He was outstanding.

 Can you please remove this uncalled for term,please?

Apologies wobbller
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 06, 2009, 10:07:38 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 06, 2009, 10:02:01 PM
wobbller is a MOD  :o
Most def. not.I'm a Punk Rocker :) :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 06, 2009, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: wobbller on August 06, 2009, 10:07:38 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 06, 2009, 10:02:01 PM
wobbller is a MOD  :o
Most def. not.I'm a Punk Rocker :) :)

With flowers in your hair?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 06, 2009, 10:44:53 PM
Liatroim were just slightly the better team tonight.  I didn't see the sending off but neutrals seemed to think it was the right decision.  PP and Aidan O'Prey were every good and both took some good scores.  Who was the Liatroim num 13 small lad but very hard to mark? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 06, 2009, 10:49:23 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 06, 2009, 10:44:53 PM
Liatroim were just slightly the better team tonight.  I didn't see the sending off but neutrals seemed to think it was the right decision.  PP and Aidan O'Prey were every good and both took some good scores.  Who was the Liatroim num 13 small lad but very hard to mark? 

Paul Burns I think. He worked like a wee terrier as well.

Barry Kelly definitely deserved to go as he swang at your boy. Ciaran Branningan seen it from the line and then alerted the ref.

This group of Stone players is still to realise its potential I think. We havent seen the last of them.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on August 06, 2009, 11:01:47 PM
Anyone got tonights teamsheets?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 06, 2009, 11:27:07 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on August 06, 2009, 11:01:47 PM
Anyone got tonights teamsheets?

Longstone

1 C Trainor 2 G Burden 3 E Quinn 4 J Magee 5 M Doran 6 B Kelly 7 C Smyth 8 P Trainor 9 A Rodgers 10 C Poland 11 M Poland 12 S Doran 13 R Kelly 14 B Doran 15 C Doran.
sub- M Ireland for C Doran

Liatroim

1 H Smyth 2 R Burns 3 A Rice 4 P Middleton 5 S OHiggins 6 D OHiggins 7 D Rice 8 T Armstrong 9 M McCartan 10 L Morgan 17 C McCrickard 12 PP McCartan 13 P Burns 14 A OPrey 15 A Brown.
Blood sub- C Bannon for A Rice

Referee: Damian Laverty (Drumaness)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 06, 2009, 11:33:20 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 06, 2009, 10:49:23 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 06, 2009, 10:44:53 PM
Liatroim were just slightly the better team tonight.  I didn't see the sending off but neutrals seemed to think it was the right decision.  PP and Aidan O'Prey were every good and both took some good scores.  Who was the Liatroim num 13 small lad but very hard to mark? 

Paul Burns I think. He worked like a wee terrier as well.

Barry Kelly definitely deserved to go as he swang at your boy. Ciaran Branningan seen it from the line and then alerted the ref.

This group of Stone players is still to realise its potential I think. We havent seen the last of them.



Agree. Cormac Poland would have tightened up their full back line. Kelly was silly, 14 men for that long on a big pitch made it very difficult. Think Frank Dawson will see out the league but i think the stone will want a change, heard rumours off discontent with some players and frank this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 07, 2009, 08:32:51 AM
A Liatroim win & and a killcoo man losing money betting agin us, hard to beat!!

;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 07, 2009, 08:42:58 AM
There is definitely a lot of potential in the Stone.  10 of the starting line up are under 26, the whole forward line is very young.  There will be a championship within the next few years with this team if they get their act together. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 07, 2009, 09:11:08 AM
Quote from: southdown on August 07, 2009, 08:42:58 AM
There is definitely a lot of potential in the Stone.  10 of the starting line up are under 26, the whole forward line is very young.  There will be a championship within the next few years with this team if they get their act together. 

Lets be serious about Longstone and winning a championship - that boat sailed two years ago in Newry (suspension to Barry Kelly didnt help either), two years in a row Liatroim have dumped them against all odds. They are too small throughout and could not cope with liatroims big players. The Stone 'star' men didnt have the stomach for it last night when it was needed.
Kelly has been around long enough to know the score and he had to go.

Dawson should go now - they can win Kilmacud without him!

Fair play to Jarlath Austin he is doing a good job with limited resources.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 07, 2009, 09:24:20 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 07, 2009, 08:32:51 AM
A Liatroim win & and a killcoo man losing money betting agin us, hard to beat!!

;D ;D

Thats the joys off gambling. Im sure many fontenoys will be betting against Kilcoo tonight. Its only a matter off the ford turning up by the sounds off it. Anyway a Liatroim win makes for a better festival this weekend.  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 07, 2009, 09:25:32 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 07, 2009, 09:24:20 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 07, 2009, 08:32:51 AM
A Liatroim win & and a killcoo man losing money betting agin us, hard to beat!!

;D ;D

Thats the joys off gambling. Im sure many fontenoys will be betting against Kilcoo tonight. Its only a matter off the ford turning up by the sounds off it. Anyway a Liatroim win makes for a better festival this weekend.

I know surely but had to get the dig in!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 07, 2009, 09:28:59 AM
I'd have to agree with Spirit there. Longstone's big chance was two seasons ago. Their current team is full of fine footballers, but they don't have the physical power to take out the likes of Liatroim, Burren, Loughinisland or Mayobridge on a dirty Championship evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 07, 2009, 11:07:15 AM
Disappointed with last nights result.  Barry Kelly got a straight red for swinging at a Liatroim player who was 1 of 2 who were pulling at his jersey and in his face.  Of course he should have walked away but regrettably didn't, he didn't connect and I'd say if this had of been a league game 9 times out of 10 he would have stayed on the field but been very lucky to do so. 

The sending off sprung longstone into action and  we played some super stuff in the first 15 minutes going 4-1 up, but really we should have been up about 5 points at least with a couple of convertable frees missed.  Mark Poland was super in the first half he completely roasted the number 6 Higgins, and when they put 2 men on him for the last 10 of the half he was still playing well.  They really tightened things up in the 2nd half dropping their extra man back and utilised him very well, giving the Longstone forwards no space and leaving Mark frustrated at being kept out of the game.  Liatroim got a few excellent scores the 2nd half from O' Prey & PP McCartan who made some really strong runs through our defence, which meant we were always chasing this 2nd half. 

With 10 to go we levelled it at 11-11 and the game was still there for the taking but errors + the lack of space upfront meant we could never get that point in front which we needed psychologically.  No one has mentioned it yet but the referee could have played at least another minute to a minute + a  half at the end of the game. 3 minutes were called and straight away there was a stoppage of a minute + a half, the ref still only played exactly 3 minutes stoppage time, even though longstone had just won the ball in the middle of the field and were on the attack.  Disappointing to say the least.  On the whole a draw may have been a fair result as longstone did battle on for the whole match with 14 men, too many players underperformed on the night so maybe they deserved another shot at it to redeem themselves but it wasn't to be.  Congrats to the Liatroim management who used their extra man very effectively which essentially won them the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on August 07, 2009, 12:09:08 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 06, 2009, 04:27:15 PM
Quote from: D4S on August 06, 2009, 11:30:27 AM
Tonights Betting!

5/4 Liatroim  6/1   Longstone 4/6
5/6   +1.5                -1.5      5/6


5/2 Ardglass  7/1   Carryduff  1/3
5/6      +4.5             -4.5     5/6

this will be tight game and may be worth a wee punt on Ardglass

Good call SB
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 07, 2009, 12:24:48 PM
lads can anyone tell me how much it is into a champonship double header?

i have heard that its £12.

now i only want to go to see one game so if its £12 i think il stay at home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 07, 2009, 12:42:07 PM
Was £5 last night into Newcastle, I'd imagine for a double header it'll be 7 or 8!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 07, 2009, 01:05:15 PM
that sounds about right. dont think there would be much of a crowd if it was £12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 07, 2009, 01:23:27 PM
£8 tonight in hilltown, I ask last night. Should the Co Board not have a weekend pass for say £20 to facilitate spectators who attend all games?
Seen the big drive by club down last night handing out flyers - the stand was full of them after the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 07, 2009, 01:30:11 PM
I think £8 is reasonable for a double header and your idea re weekend ticket is very good. But instead of just saying the county board should think of it, put it through your club for consideration as I imagine it would get considerable support.
The only way to get change is to bring ideas through the clubs to co board and if it is reasonable the clubs will back it.
There are obviously things to consider with such a ticket like people trying to transfer it on a night they arent using etc, but I believe it could be a winner for guys like you and me who will go or would like to go to multiple games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 07, 2009, 01:59:40 PM
Quote from: D4S on August 07, 2009, 11:07:15 AM
Disappointed with last nights result.  Barry Kelly got a straight red for swinging at a Liatroim player who was 1 of 2 who were pulling at his jersey and in his face.  Of course he should have walked away but regrettably didn't, he didn't connect and I'd say if this had of been a league game 9 times out of 10 he would have stayed on the field but been very lucky to do so. 

The sending off sprung longstone into action and  we played some super stuff in the first 15 minutes going 4-1 up, but really we should have been up about 5 points at least with a couple of convertable frees missed.  Mark Poland was super in the first half he completely roasted the number 6 Higgins, and when they put 2 men on him for the last 10 of the half he was still playing well.  They really tightened things up in the 2nd half dropping their extra man back and utilised him very well, giving the Longstone forwards no space and leaving Mark frustrated at being kept out of the game.  Liatroim got a few excellent scores the 2nd half from O' Prey & PP McCartan who made some really strong runs through our defence, which meant we were always chasing this 2nd half. 

With 10 to go we levelled it at 11-11 and the game was still there for the taking but errors + the lack of space upfront meant we could never get that point in front which we needed psychologically.  No one has mentioned it yet but the referee could have played at least another minute to a minute + a  half at the end of the game. 3 minutes were called and straight away there was a stoppage of a minute + a half, the ref still only played exactly 3 minutes stoppage time, even though longstone had just won the ball in the middle of the field and were on the attack.  Disappointing to say the least.  On the whole a draw may have been a fair result as longstone did battle on for the whole match with 14 men, too many players underperformed on the night so maybe they deserved another shot at it to redeem themselves but it wasn't to be.  Congrats to the Liatroim management who used their extra man very effectively which essentially won them the game.

A Division 4 centre half forward would have had a field day against Donach O'Higgins. He is very slow. If I was Jarlath Austin Id be looking to put someone a lot more mobile in there.

I can see the Ford just squeezing by Kilcoo tonight. Don't think there will be much in it. Kilcoo are being discounted from all corners and this could work to their favour. They must be itching to get a good run in the Championship after all these years of underachievement.

In the other game tonight Glasdrumman will have no trouble in dumping Drumaness out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 07, 2009, 02:08:10 PM
Sorry for the mess last night Spirit but needs must.  On Club Down our website is up and running so if anyone is interested it can be found at www.clubdown.com (http://www.clubdown.com)

You can download a membership form direct from the website and send it into the county office.  We have membership packages to suit most pockets, become a member for £10/Month or a Partner for £40/Month.

We also have a race day at Down Royal coming up on the 28th August which costs £75 per person or £750 per table.  

I know times are tough but I'm sure there are plenty of GAABoarders who could be members or partners of Club Down.  Now is the time to show the colour of your money lads.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 07, 2009, 02:12:02 PM
Cul camp video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2w3il8oosw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2w3il8oosw)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 07, 2009, 02:18:49 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 07, 2009, 02:08:10 PM
Sorry for the mess last night Spirit but needs must.  On Club Down our website is up and running so if anyone is interested it can be found at www.clubdown.com (http://www.clubdown.com)

You can download a membership form direct from the website and send it into the county office.  We have membership packages to suit most pockets, become a member for £10/Month or a Partner for £40/Month.

We also have a race day at Down Royal coming up on the 28th August which costs £75 per person or £750 per table.  

I know times are tough but I'm sure there are plenty of GAABoarders who could be members or partners of Club Down.  Now is the time to show the colour of your money lads.




Aidan,
The package is actually good enough value for a genuine supporter.
Mr Kelly has already been in touch about signing up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 07, 2009, 09:23:53 PM
Kilcoo 2-9  1-9 Bryansford
Glasdrumman beat Drumaness well, don't know score
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on August 07, 2009, 09:49:33 PM
kilcoo 2.9 bryansford 1.9
HA feckin HA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 07, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
Well done to Kilcoo. That is some result considering they were behind at halftime. Would over confidence maybe have been a factor in the Ford defeat?


IFC

Glasdrumman 2-15  Drumaness 0-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on August 07, 2009, 10:05:14 PM
Must have been the Pete factor !!!

Delighted for Kilcoo so let's put to bed even thinking of mc grath for senior post.


i loved the never say die attitude of kilcoo.Well done !A great club the gael is a great admirer.







                                                      the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 07, 2009, 10:11:43 PM
Powerful result for Kilcoo tonight, they came out & turned a 3 point deficit into a 4 point gain after half-time, thought the two Brannigan's were immense in the Kilcoo defense & the work rate of the entire Kilcoo team was of the highest order.
I have to say that Conor Laverty is a little bollix to say the least, he seemed to be getting himself involved in a lot of hand bag's throughout the entire game.
Kalum King was the best Ford player I thought but he did drift out of it in the second half, as 'spirit of 91 & 94' said last night regarding Longstone players, too many of Bryansford's star men failed to turn-up tonight & the scoreline flattered them slightly.
I do hope that the rest of the weekend games have a bit more bite than what we seen tonight as it was played at a very pedestrian pace at times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on August 07, 2009, 10:23:54 PM
Just checked on the Down website there for the results and see nthe peice on the castlewellan 7s. their new shirt looks lovely!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2009, 10:31:01 PM
I  probably shouldn't bother, but I note that The Gael has just written off the most successful Down manager in our history in the same way as he has dismissed the credentials of every other potential candidate for the county vacancy. Is there any possibility that The Gael might ever tell us who, in his opinion, should actually get the job ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on August 07, 2009, 10:45:59 PM
The gael is just making everyone aware that the pete factor has got zero wins out of three years in senior  club championship football that is a record of 0 / 3 .


I am very frightened that this 5 man commitee may even consider this man - I hope they don't and out of a sense of duty i must make everyone aware of his recent senior record! SPORT IS SPORT AND IT HAS NO SENTIMENT!








                                                                           the gael takes no prisoners!



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 07, 2009, 10:55:50 PM
Great win for Kilcoo tonight, they never gave up throughout. I tipped them to win tonight in my predictions, only one of a select few to do so. Just thought with all the talk of Bryansford they would just think it was gonna happen! Actually quite glad for them, their championship final was beating the bridge in the league!  Kilcoo only starting to peak now, previous seasons have peaked too early, they will give it a real go now!
Brendan Rice was very one sided tonight, leaning towards Bryansford. Did anyone else think that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 07, 2009, 11:16:56 PM
I'm sure Mourne Rambler will be shocked to hear this but I and those around me thought Brendan Rice had an excellent game tonight, reffed it very well. Spotted Laverty's diving etc and dealt with things fairly in what could have been an explosive game. Not a great game though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 07, 2009, 11:33:32 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 07, 2009, 11:16:56 PM
I'm sure Mourne Rambler will be shocked to hear this but I and those around me thought Brendan Rice had an excellent game tonight, reffed it very well. Spotted Laverty's diving etc and dealt with things fairly in what could have been an explosive game. Not a great game though.

Fair play town gael, thought he had a decent game as well & was always up with the play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 08, 2009, 12:05:01 AM
Thought ref was very good as were Kilcoo in 2nd half.
Lavery is an annoying wee p***k.
Aidan Brannigan though was magnificent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 08, 2009, 12:12:35 AM
Quote from: norabeag on August 08, 2009, 12:05:01 AM
Thought ref was very good as were Kilcoo in 2nd half.
Lavery is an annoying wee p***k.
Aidan Brannigan though was magnificent.

Lavery's aggression may well be something that Down have been lacking this past few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 08, 2009, 12:23:16 AM
Quote from: wobbller on August 08, 2009, 12:12:35 AM
Quote from: norabeag on August 08, 2009, 12:05:01 AM
Thought ref was very good as were Kilcoo in 2nd half.
Lavery is an annoying wee p***k.
Aidan Brannigan though was magnificent.

Lavery's aggression may well be something that Down have been lacking this past few years.

There is a difference between aggression & being a complete & utter tosser, god help us if that's what Down are missing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 08, 2009, 12:42:40 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 08, 2009, 12:23:16 AM
Quote from: wobbller on August 08, 2009, 12:12:35 AM
Quote from: norabeag on August 08, 2009, 12:05:01 AM
Thought ref was very good as were Kilcoo in 2nd half.
Lavery is an annoying wee p***k.
Aidan Brannigan though was magnificent.

Lavery's aggression may well be something that Down have been lacking this past few years.

There is a difference between aggression & being a complete & utter t**ser, god help us if that's what Down are missing.



Well something is missing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on August 08, 2009, 04:17:59 AM
The first two openers of this years SFC have been absolutely cracking, and two upsets if I'm not mistaking. That could lead to a few more hopefully, although Mayobridge are comfortable favourites for this encounter with Annaclone, seeing these two upsets will give Annaclone a bit of drive, hopefully another upset (highly doubt it though, but wouldn't be supprised). Looking forward to tommarrow evening double header in Castlewellan, An Riocht v Banbridge and Warrenpiont v Louginisland. Not the stand out ties by any means but i think we can expect some decent football. I think An Riocht will overcome Banbridge, but the Warrenpoint Loughinisland game is a flip of a coin, i hope for 2 more cracking games of football, and more over the course of the weekend and the Championship season.

As for the new down manager, heard some Byransford folk talking and a deal with McGrath is already in place  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 08, 2009, 09:52:16 AM
God i have one sore head this morning but the smile on my face has been ever present since 9 last night. We proved all the pundits wrong and gave a great second half performance. Agree with bridge gael, thought Rice gave the ford their frees much easier, although i rate him as a decent referee. Aidan and Nial Brannigan yet again proved they are county standard in a display where Sean OHanlon, Nial Morgan, Paul Greenan, Phelim McGreevy, Barry and Donal Kane, Paul Devlin and Laverty gave their all. With Anthony Devlin, the 3 McEvoy brothers and Marty McClean getting back from injury we have great hopes. The bridge and Burren will be the teams to beat now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on August 08, 2009, 10:33:53 AM
Can anyone tell me why kilkoo player's don't get a run out for DOWN when you see a team who play at a good level and what they done last year ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 08, 2009, 11:07:54 AM
Quote from: bikeflyer30 on August 08, 2009, 10:33:53 AM
Can anyone tell me why kilkoo player's don't get a run out for DOWN when you see a team who play at a good level and what they done last year ?

under Orourke we had 3 players got a run but Ross and DJ didnt see anyone good enough. Id say there is a few will get a chance when a new management is in place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on August 08, 2009, 11:23:20 AM
1st half bryansford were very good. 2nd Half kilcoo were very good. I hope Kilcoo don't progress as they are awful to watch, conor laverty is a disgrace to the game.

1st half Bryansford impressed about the middle and everytime they won a free it was taken by a man running though very quickly which destroyed kilcoo.

The ref had a good game, gave the frees 90% of the time when he should have and played some good advantage when a player broke free from a pull, also handled the Laverty situation well, although i think his 2nd rugby tackle would have resulted in a yellow had he not have already been booked.

Calum King has to be worth a run in the county team next year, he delivered more 1st half last night than Jack Lynch has in 2 seasons with the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on August 08, 2009, 11:41:11 AM
I`d have King on the county panel, also the 2 Brannigans. That was a bit of a shock last night, not the best game of football I ve ever seen, but Kilcoo wont be complaining.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on August 08, 2009, 12:01:22 PM
Quote from: wobbller on August 07, 2009, 10:47:36 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2009, 10:31:01 PM
I  probably shouldn't bother, but I note that The Gael has just written off the most successful Down manager in our history in the same way as he has dismissed the credentials of every other potential candidate for the county vacancy. Is there any possibility that The Gael might ever tell us who, in his opinion, should actually get the job ?

  Ignore the rantings of that lunatic although in three years of Club Management Peter hasn't had a victory in the Championship.
didn't he get club championship success with Cooley Kickhams before that?
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Post by: Lecale2 on August 08, 2009, 12:12:18 PM
Didn't he win the league with An Riocht?
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Post by: Aghdavoyle on August 08, 2009, 12:22:02 PM
Quote from: western exile on August 08, 2009, 12:01:22 PM
Quote from: wobbller on August 07, 2009, 10:47:36 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2009, 10:31:01 PM
I  probably shouldn't bother, but I note that The Gael has just written off the most successful Down manager in our history in the same way as he has dismissed the credentials of every other potential candidate for the county vacancy. Is there any possibility that The Gael might ever tell us who, in his opinion, should actually get the job ?

  Ignore the rantings of that lunatic although in three years of Club Management Peter hasn't had a victory in the Championship.
didn't he get club championship success with Cooley Kickhams before that?

no
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on August 08, 2009, 12:57:23 PM
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on August 08, 2009, 12:22:02 PM
Quote from: western exile on August 08, 2009, 12:01:22 PM
Quote from: wobbller on August 07, 2009, 10:47:36 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2009, 10:31:01 PM
I  probably shouldn't bother, but I note that The Gael has just written off the most successful Down manager in our history in the same way as he has dismissed the credentials of every other potential candidate for the county vacancy. Is there any possibility that The Gael might ever tell us who, in his opinion, should actually get the job ?

  Ignore the rantings of that lunatic although in three years of Club Management Peter hasn't had a victory in the Championship.
didn't he get club championship success with Cooley Kickhams before that?

no
The posters were pointing out that he has not won a recent Down club championship game.
In 2004, with Cooley Kickhams he won several championship games bringing them to the County Final for the first time in 14 years where they lost to St. Patricks. If my memory is correct...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 08, 2009, 02:14:48 PM
What was Lavery doing that was such a disgrace?? Wasnt at the game so just enquiring??


Quote from: wobbller on August 08, 2009, 12:12:35 AM
Quote from: norabeag on August 08, 2009, 12:05:01 AM
Thought ref was very good as were Kilcoo in 2nd half.
Lavery is an annoying wee p***k.
Aidan Brannigan though was magnificent.

Lavery's aggression may well be something that Down have been lacking this past few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 08, 2009, 02:27:27 PM
He got involved Ricy McMenimin style. Laverty is that type off player but a damm good one. If fords so called 'stars' had have been as influential as him then the result may have been different. Enjoy them sour grapes spirit. Take your beating, Kilcoo played yous off the park in second half. One point from a free is all yous could muster and a penalty in injury time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 08, 2009, 02:57:16 PM
kilcoos win last night was no shock!!!  one facile win over the 'bridge and people were jumping on the 'ford bandwagon and not giving kilcoo a chance.  lets go back a year and lots of people were tipping kilcoo for the chanpionship. this year they have had injuries and not their bes year in the league. ford were a second div team and nobody was even considering them for championship.  league form counts for nothing,  kilcoo are all round better team.

and on the matt fitzpatrick issue,  see in todays irish news, matt says 'bridge will be looking to the likes of decky rooney'  decky hasn't played for the seniors for 3 years!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 08, 2009, 05:10:51 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 08, 2009, 02:57:16 PM
kilcoos win last night was no shock!!!  one facile win over the 'bridge and people were jumping on the 'ford bandwagon and not giving kilcoo a chance.  lets go back a year and lots of people were tipping kilcoo for the chanpionship. this year they have had injuries and not their bes year in the league. ford were a second div team and nobody was even considering them for championship.  league form counts for nothing,  kilcoo are all round better team.

and on the matt fitzpatrick issue,  see in todays irish news, matt says 'bridge will be looking to the likes of decky rooney'  decky hasn't played for the seniors for 3 years!!!!!

Typical Matt, has not got a clue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on August 08, 2009, 06:25:39 PM
I take it Gubber didn't have much to celebrate last night then!! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 08, 2009, 06:41:18 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Person on August 08, 2009, 06:25:39 PM
I take it Gubber didn't have much to celebrate last night then!! ;D

Obviously not if they got beat  :o

Kilclief beat Shamrocks by 1-11 to 1-06. Going on the Kilclief first half performance they will be very hard to stop in the IFC. The second half turned very niggly and at times threatened to boil over. Just a note on the Kilclief support, to say they were over enthusiastic would be the under statement of the century.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 08, 2009, 06:56:07 PM
Kilclief thoroughly deserved their win. They played some nice slick football and had some great outlets in their forward line especially Ciaran Sloan and Ricky Kerr. Jonathan Hanvey and Matthew Johnston dominated midfield which helped as well.

To me, Shamrocks look like a team with Division 3 written all over them. They seem to rely on a core of a players while those on the fringes look lightweight and inexperienced.

Just on a more sour note. The majority (notice I didn't say the minority) of Kiclief support were a disgrace. Their language and behaviour infront of a lot of young supporters was vile. Opposition players, linesmen, the referee - you name it, they had a go at it and in the most disgusting manner possible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: idontbelieveit on August 08, 2009, 07:46:54 PM
[quote author=DownFanatic link=topic=25.msg614883#msg614883 date=1249754167
Just on a more sour note. The majority (notice I didn't say the minority) of Kiclief support were a disgrace. Their language and behaviour infront of a lot of young supporters was vile. Opposition players, linesmen, the referee - you name it, they had a go at it and in the most disgusting manner possible.

[/quote]

I totally agree with you. I have been at 3 Kiclief matches all year and home/away there screaming/yelling at the referee, taunting opposition players and getting in the faces of opposition supporters. Its just not Kiclief however, Ive seen it from Saul, Ardglass Banbridge and Glasdruman. Always F***ing and "Get em off". I have actually sent a complaint to the county board about one of those clubs supporters! Sends out the wrong message which we want to get across to the next generation and ruins the match for all! Another aspect of what is wrong with Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 08, 2009, 07:52:29 PM
Banbridge would be the worst of the lot but it is the way some of their players get on as well. Very like Laverty last nite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 08, 2009, 08:11:30 PM
Any word of An Riocht yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on August 08, 2009, 08:13:40 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 08, 2009, 06:41:18 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Person on August 08, 2009, 06:25:39 PM
I take it Gubber didn't have much to celebrate last night then!! ;D

Obviously not if they got beat  :o


I'm just making reference to him acting like a total pr**k after he scored a goal against the Bridge. Glad to see them cocky feckers getting put in their place. :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on August 08, 2009, 08:58:17 PM
Quote from: norabeag on August 08, 2009, 07:52:29 PM
Banbridge would be the worst of the lot but it is the way some of their players get on as well. Very like Laverty last nite

Some of their posters on here being the main culprits! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 08, 2009, 09:22:01 PM
Do you play Shamrocks on Wednesday Whitehair?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 08, 2009, 09:32:11 PM
any word of point and l'island?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 08, 2009, 09:34:41 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 08, 2009, 02:57:16 PM
kilcoos win last night was no shock!!!  one facile win over the 'bridge and people were jumping on the 'ford bandwagon and not giving kilcoo a chance.  lets go back a year and lots of people were tipping kilcoo for the chanpionship. this year they have had injuries and not their bes year in the league. ford were a second div team and nobody was even considering them for championship.  league form counts for nothing,  kilcoo are all round better team.

and on the matt fitzpatrick issue,  see in todays irish news, matt says 'bridge will be looking to the likes of decky rooney'  decky hasn't played for the seniors for 3 years!!!!!

What about him stating that the ballymartin v drumgath intermediate championship match was a derby game..............I think theres about 20-25 miles between the clubs! Any word on wpoint l'island?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on August 08, 2009, 09:49:32 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 08, 2009, 11:41:11 AM
I`d have King on the county panel, also the 2 Brannigans. That was a bit of a shock last night, not the best game of football I ve ever seen, but Kilcoo wont be complaining.

I'd have him starting. He's superior to lynch, and ambrose seems to be a better half forward.

Lavertys aggression wasnt in the spirit of the game. Rugby tackling a man then diving when it gets a bit physical.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 08, 2009, 09:53:53 PM
heard l'island won!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 08, 2009, 10:17:53 PM
Results
Warrenpoint    0-7   1-9   Loughinisland
Shamrocks    1-6   1-11   Kilclief
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 08, 2009, 10:26:00 PM
An Riocht beat Banbridge by 9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: waitingforsam on August 09, 2009, 02:14:52 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 07, 2009, 02:08:10 PM
Sorry for the mess last night Spirit but needs must.  On Club Down our website is up and running so if anyone is interested it can be found at www.clubdown.com (http://www.clubdown.com)

You can download a membership form direct from the website and send it into the county office.  We have membership packages to suit most pockets, become a member for £10/Month or a Partner for £40/Month.

We also have a race day at Down Royal coming up on the 28th August which costs £75 per person or £750 per table.  

I know times are tough but I'm sure there are plenty of GAABoarders who could be members or partners of Club Down.  Now is the time to show the colour of your money lads.




Fair play AMALLON
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Post by: Nailed On on August 09, 2009, 02:47:53 PM
Glenn beat St Michaels in the JFC by 16, the minors from Glenn played very well.

Was 1-07 to 0-06 at the break, Glenn pulled away in second half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 09, 2009, 02:58:20 PM
The Finn and Dromara drew in junior championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 09, 2009, 04:06:16 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 08, 2009, 02:27:27 PM
He got involved Ricy McMenimin style. Laverty is that type off player but a damm good one. If fords so called 'stars' had have been as influential as him then the result may have been different. Enjoy them sour grapes spirit. Take your beating, Kilcoo played yous off the park in second half. One point from a free is all yous could muster and a penalty in injury time.

What sour grapes?
did i question your teams win?
In truth we had the game won in the first half and didnt show for the second but the hungrier team won through and good luck to them. Laverty is annoying but very effective.
Hard to see where our season will take us now, it will be interesting to see who succeeds Pete when he gets the Down Job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on August 09, 2009, 05:27:26 PM
Was at all 3 SFC games over thursday, friday and saturday. The standard of refereeing in the county is crap, the fella morgan who done the kingdom game yesterday was a disgrace, wouldnt let him referee a u8 game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on August 09, 2009, 05:30:45 PM
IFC Result

Ballymartin 0-13
Drumgath  1-09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 09, 2009, 05:44:35 PM
not much feedback on here from the point match.. Anyone at it? Who played well for either side? Was dan playing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 09, 2009, 05:50:02 PM
Dan came on as sub, shud hav walked he threw a punch in the free for all at the end of the game
2 from each side red carded
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 09, 2009, 05:54:48 PM
didnt know that, any idea who was sent off??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 09, 2009, 05:58:41 PM
2 minors, one of them was McKinney not sure of the other one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 09, 2009, 06:01:54 PM
Glenn beat st michaels 2.18 to 0.08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on August 09, 2009, 06:31:09 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 08, 2009, 09:22:01 PM
Do you play Shamrocks on Wednesday Whitehair?

Yeh we're due to play them on wednesday in either Liatroim or Castlewellan. Shamrocks have been attempting to get the game postponed due to exam repeats... supposedly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: idontbelieveit on August 09, 2009, 08:22:12 PM
Any word on the matches tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 09, 2009, 09:28:51 PM
SFC
Saval 1-10  Castlewellan 0-09

Saval scored 1-01 in injury time.

SFC
Mayobridge 1-19  Annaclone 2-05
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 09, 2009, 09:29:26 PM
Mayobridge won 1.19 to 2.05
Clonduff and Rostrevor 1.9 each
Replay in Newry on Wednesday Night
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Post by: amallon on August 09, 2009, 09:44:16 PM
Hightlights of the Kilcoo Bryansford game are on the Down website in the mulitmedia page.  Highlights of the Point and Loughinsland, Clan na Banna and An Riocht and Mayobridge Annclone will be online late tonight.  There wasn't enough space on the camera for the Clonduff Rostrevor game which is a shame because it was a cracker. 

Good win for the Bridge tonight, it was just too big of a step up for Annaclone. 

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Post by: imtommygunn on August 09, 2009, 09:47:12 PM
Just reading the reports of some down c'ship games there.

Out of interest - I saw the name Mackin floating round. Whatever happened to that fella Dermot Mackin who was WHB on the Colmans hogan winning team? He looked a great prospect at the time.
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Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 09, 2009, 10:30:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 09, 2009, 09:47:12 PM
Just reading the reports of some down c'ship games there.

Out of interest - I saw the name Mackin floating round. Whatever happened to that fella Dermot Mackin who was WHB on the Colmans hogan winning team? He looked a great prospect at the time.

He was on the bench tonight, played for a right few years for the reds, but think age maybe getting the better of him now!
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Post by: Trevor Hill on August 09, 2009, 10:32:53 PM
I think Mayobridge are about the only one of my predictions to come good. Is it just me or did the Kilcoo goal scorer take an Oisinesque amount of steps before he scored?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 09, 2009, 10:35:03 PM
Who was Rostrevors full back tonight.  Paul Magee was named in the program but didn't play?
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Post by: thegael on August 09, 2009, 10:40:21 PM
Another one sided affair with the bridge I was disappointed with their lack of ability to take goal chances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on August 09, 2009, 10:42:00 PM
Does their tally of 19 points not impress you?
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Post by: supersub on August 09, 2009, 10:48:57 PM
niall farrell was the full back 4 us tonight. On dermot mackin, he played in the 98 cship winnin team around the time of the hogan and for a good few yrs after and then he went to australia for a while and came back a few years ago.not a reglar starter now cuz of age. Also converterd to a corner foward now!
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Post by: Town Gael on August 10, 2009, 10:14:32 AM
Gutted that we went out in the style we did yesterday- once again our shooting cost us. We had so much of the play i the first 45 minutes I thought we were going to win by 6-7 points. We should never have allowed Saval back into the game when we were 5 points up. They battled hard and looked extremely fit at the end of the game when we ran out of steam.
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Post by: Downboy on August 10, 2009, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 08, 2009, 06:56:07 PM
Kilclief thoroughly deserved their win. They played some nice slick football and had some great outlets in their forward line especially Ciaran Sloan and Ricky Kerr. Jonathan Hanvey and Matthew Johnston dominated midfield which helped as well.

To me, Shamrocks look like a team with Division 3 written all over them. They seem to rely on a core of a players while those on the fringes look lightweight and inexperienced.

Just on a more sour note. The majority (notice I didn't say the minority) of Kiclief support were a disgrace. Their language and behaviour infront of a lot of young supporters was vile. Opposition players, linesmen, the referee - you name it, they had a go at it and in the most disgusting manner possible.

I was at the match with my 6 year old son and I fully agree that the language was not pretty or over the top and yes the linesman and the referee and indeed took lots of abuse. There is no place for this especially the language.
However the performance of the referee and Shamrocks in the second half should also be called disgusting. How someone didnt end up seriously hurt is beyond me. There were at least 7 off the ball punches thrown by Shamrocks players in the second half which went unpunished. Several in full view of the linesmen. The challange of Mcguigan on a Kilclief midfielder was even worse. A deliberate jump in to the back of his neck with 2 knees when on the ground. Again lucky there was no serious injury. The linesman spotted and reported this but it was only deemed a yellow card.

To me it seemed a deliberate ploy from the Shamrocks management to play this way in the 2nd half and it worked to a degree as they came back into the match. Although as I said I dont want my 6 year old listening to the language etc , I also dont want him watching County player like Rafferty throwing dirty punches when the ball is 60 yards away.

On a brighter note fair play to Drumgath and Ballymartin who produced a good game of football yesterday with some great score in the second half. Saval and Castlewellan was pretty poor overall with probably a fair result. Cant see Saval going much further though
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Post by: corn02 on August 10, 2009, 11:25:26 AM
How are Saval faring.

I found out about frees.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 10, 2009, 11:27:09 AM
Wednesday 12th August in Pairc Esler
Down Democrate Junior Hurling Championship - Clonduff v Ballyvarley @ 7.00 pm (Ciaran McGuinness)
Powerade Down Senior Football Championship - Clonduff v Rostrevor @ 8.30 pm (Declan Moore)
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Post by: Downboy on August 10, 2009, 11:28:11 AM
Apologies havent worked the quote thing out properly.

I fancy Burren to win quite easily this evening. B holland have been a bit hit and miss this year
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Post by: supersub on August 10, 2009, 11:50:56 AM
where is the match tonight? And aidan is the replay definately 8.30 on wed now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downboy on August 10, 2009, 12:30:54 PM
Match tonight in Saval. Think its 7.30
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 10, 2009, 01:37:57 PM
Replay is defo at 8.30.  If its near as entertaining as last nights its a game not to miss.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 10, 2009, 01:51:13 PM
i see ferghal mcconville or'the goalmachine' as he is affectionally known in saval came good again for our neighbours.  great win for them!!  i'd expect ferghal will get the call from the new county manager next year,  he has it all,  pace, power and the height to trouble any defender,  but most of all he is clincal in front of goal.
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Post by: THE DADGA on August 10, 2009, 02:20:51 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 10, 2009, 11:27:09 AM
Wednesday 12th August in Pairc Esler
Down Democrate Junior Hurling Championship - Clonduff v Ballyvarley @ 7.00 pm (Ciaran McGuinness)

couldn't get a worse ref for a championship match, blows it up for a marker chasing his man fcuk sake!!!
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 10, 2009, 02:28:43 PM
been to few of the games over the weekend too and have to agree with previous poster about referees. The standard across the board is rank. Eugene O Hare from Dromara sent off 4 men in injury time on saturday nights championship clash. Standard handbags session in a incident-free game from what i believe and yet he brandished 4 straight reds, apparently got the wrong men too.

as for the on field stuff, entertaining as some of the games were, its same old story with championship, Bridge will walk it in their sleep unless Burren get their act together.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nailed On on August 10, 2009, 08:12:20 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 10, 2009, 01:51:13 PM
i see ferghal mcconville or'the goalmachine' as he is affectionally known in saval came good again for our neighbours.  great win for them!!  i'd expect ferghal will get the call from the new county manager next year,  he has it all,  pace, power and the height to trouble any defender,  but most of all he is clincal in front of goal.

What age is he?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 10, 2009, 09:10:59 PM
Attical beat Bredagh by 6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 10, 2009, 09:18:27 PM
Burren hammered Ballyholland. I left with 10 minutes to go and there was 15 points in it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 10, 2009, 09:22:34 PM
Left at same time middown! What a brutal match, harps were shocking.

Yards behind burren mentally, physically + tactically.

Can't tell anything about burren in that game other then they did what they had to do v convincingly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on August 10, 2009, 09:24:27 PM
Were the draws made for the next round of the senior, intermediate and junior championships after the Burren/Ballyholland game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 10, 2009, 09:28:44 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on August 10, 2009, 09:24:27 PM
Were the draws made for the next round of the senior, intermediate and junior championships after the Burren/Ballyholland game?

No they are now being made after game on Wed night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 10, 2009, 09:39:16 PM
what was the final score in the burren match? Who did the damage?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 10, 2009, 09:43:28 PM
IFC

Saul 0-09  Dundrum 4-10

Bredagh 1-07  Atticall 1-13


SFC

Burren 2-18  Ballyholland 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 10, 2009, 09:49:01 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 10, 2009, 09:43:28 PM
IFC

Saul 0-09  Dundrum 4-10

Jesus that was some win for yous. Fair play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 10, 2009, 10:01:13 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 10, 2009, 09:49:01 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 10, 2009, 09:43:28 PM
IFC

Saul 0-09  Dundrum 4-10

Jesus that was some win for yous. Fair play.

Revenge was sweet in this case.A good all round team performance with McComiskey in top form with 3-06.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 10, 2009, 10:02:32 PM
anyone got this weeks east down fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 10, 2009, 10:41:17 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 10, 2009, 01:51:13 PM
i see ferghal mcconville or'the goalmachine' as he is affectionally known in saval came good again for our neighbours.  great win for them!!  i'd expect ferghal will get the call from the new county manager next year,  he has it all,  pace, power and the height to trouble any defender,  but most of all he is clincal in front of goal.

The goal machine could be our new Peter Witnalll!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Boat Race In The Crowd on August 10, 2009, 11:07:43 PM
Quote from: maldini on August 10, 2009, 10:02:32 PM
anyone got this weeks east down fixtures?

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   Kilcoo   v   Bredagh
U-18 Football League Section "B"       
   Round Fourteen      
   Cill Darrach      St, John's
         
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 16 League
Date  Wednesday  12th  August Time 7.30pm
U-16 Football League Section "B" 2009
   Bredagh   v   Ardglass
         
   Gerry Hynds Trophies Downpatrick
Date  Thursday 13th August Time 7.30pm      
U-14  "A" Football Championship        
   Carryduff   v   Downpatrick
   Bryansford   v   St. Paul's
   Saul   v   Bredagh
   Castlewellan   v   Kilcoo
         
U-14  "B" Football Championship        
   Teconnaught    v   St. Joseph's
   Liatroim   v   Dromara
   Loughinisland   v   Drumaness
         
   Gerry Hynds Trophies Downpatrick
Date  Saturday 15th August Time 5.00pm      
U-16  "A" Football Championship  Semi-final Venue St. Paul's
   Carryduff   v   Bredagh (5.00pm)
U-16  "B" Football Championship  Semi-final  Venue Teconnaught
   Ardglass   v   Cill Darach (5.00pm)
         
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 12 League      
Date Sunday 16th  August  Time 12.30pm      
U-12 Football League Section "B"
   Round. Sixteen      
   Liatroim   v   Dromara (1.00pm)
   St. John's   v   Carryduff
   Castlewellan   v   Loughinisland
   Ardglass   v   Cill Darach
U-12 Football League Section "C"
   St. Joseph's   v   Bright
      
   Gerry Hynds Trophies Downpatrick   
Date  Sunday 16th August       
U-16  "B" Football Championship  Semi-final Venue Teconnaught
   St. Paul's   v   Cill Breactain (5.00pm)
         
Quoile Tile & Bathroom Centre      
Date Sunday 16th  August Time 7.00pm      
Reserve Football League      
Section A1         
   Round Thirteen      
   Dundrum   v   Bryansford
   Castlewellan   v   Drumaness
   St. John's   v   Kilcoo
   Liatroim   v   Teconnaught
Section A2         
   Round Thirteen      
   Darragh Cross   v   Bright
   Bredagh   v   Saul
   Carryduff   v   Kilclief
   St. Paul's   v   Ardglass
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 10, 2009, 11:14:31 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 10, 2009, 09:43:28 PM
IFC

Saul 0-09  Dundrum 4-10

Bredagh 0-07  Atticall 1-13


SFC

Burren 2-18  Ballyholland 0-10

we scored 1-7, even missed a pen, well the keeper saved it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 10, 2009, 11:17:04 PM
That was just all wrong tonight. All wrong. Embarrassing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 10, 2009, 11:36:47 PM
Just home this evening  from a week hols abroad, lots of surprises in weekend championships

With 4 more games still to be decided and will be added on this prediction league.

1   13   Bacon
2   13   bridgegael
3   12   DownFanatic
4   12   Dubh driocht
5   12   dunrumite
6   12   fred the ref
7   12   general
8   12   goalswingames
9   12   Irelands32
10   12   Johnnie99
11   12   Leo
12   12   minus15
13   12   True Blue
14   12   western exile
15   11   An Cloch Scoilte
16   11   Blue Island
17   11   Bredaghgael86
18   11   BRIDGE LAD
19   11   Cloneman
20   11   D45
21   11   Down6061689194
22   11   eyeswideopen
23   11   Green + Gold
24   11   meatsy86
25   11   Mid Down Gael
26   11   mourenrambler
27   11   Mourne Rover
28   11   Niall Quinn
29   11   off the laces
30   11   souljaboy
31   11   southdown
32   11   Square Ball
33   11   T O Hare
34   11   Umpire
35   11   wobbller
36   10   Bitta-Banter
37   10   Fitroyalty
38   10   Islandboy
39   10   marsbarkid
40   10   NO1
41   10   The Worker
42   10   TheClutch
43   10   thewobbler
44   10   too long ref
45   9   behind the wire
46   9   centre 3/4s
47   9   dundroma
48   9   Fender
49   9   goldenyears
50   9   lfdown2
51   9   miss mess
52   9   Statto-gael
53   9   Trevor Hill
54   9   waitingforsam
55   8   amallon
56   8   Brick Tamlin
57   8   dodgy umpire
58   8   passedit
59   8   Supersub

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 11, 2009, 01:08:36 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 10, 2009, 10:41:17 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 10, 2009, 01:51:13 PM
i see ferghal mcconville or'the goalmachine' as he is affectionally known in saval came good again for our neighbours.  great win for them!!  i'd expect ferghal will get the call from the new county manager next year,  he has it all,  pace, power and the height to trouble any defender,  but most of all he is clincal in front of goal.

Tgoal machine could be our new Peter Witnalll!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hope so but would also hope he would last longer at County level than Whithnall.  Will always remember Whitnell tossing Tom Spillane in the 91 AI Semi and scoring 2. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fender on August 11, 2009, 03:07:16 AM
in all fairness whitnell is a down legend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 11, 2009, 08:18:16 AM
Quote from: Fender on August 11, 2009, 03:07:16 AM
in all fairness whitnell is a down legend
A Christ he already has a big head lets not make it any BIGGER. ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nailed On on August 11, 2009, 08:21:12 AM
Quote from: Fender on August 11, 2009, 03:07:16 AM
in all fairness whitnell is a down legend

Two page spread on him in this weeks Gaelic Life.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 11, 2009, 11:19:18 AM
Has anyone got the team and subs for Burren last night??????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 11, 2009, 11:39:15 AM
1. Mark Rocks
2. One of the McGiverns (Ryan?)
3. Paddy Mohan
4. Ryan McGovern
5. Chris McGovern
6. Ciaran McGovern
7. Dan McCartan
8. Gerard McCartan
9. Declan Rooney
10. James McGovern
11. Kevin McKernan
12. Eamon McGovern
13. Paudie Poland
14. Cathal Murdock
15.  Might have been Chris McCann. I can't remember.


Subs who came on were Ciaran Byrne, Brian Murphy and I think PJ McAlinden got a run out. Might have been a 4th too. I was looking at the ground mostly by that stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 11, 2009, 11:46:00 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2009, 11:39:15 AM
1. Mark Rocks
2. One of the McGiverns (Ryan?)
3. Paddy Mohan
4. Ryan McGovern
5. Chris McGovern
6. Ciaran McGovern
7. Dan McCartan
8. Gerard McCartan
9. Declan Rooney
10. James McGovern
11. Kevin McKernan
12. Eamon McGovern
13. Paudie Poland
14. Cathal Murdock
15.  Might have been Chris McCann. I can't remember.


Subs who came on were Ciaran Byrne, Brian Murphy and I think PJ McAlinden got a run out. Might have been a 4th too. I was looking at the ground mostly by that stage.

Cheers wobbler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on August 11, 2009, 02:40:02 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 11, 2009, 11:39:15 AM
1. Mark Rocks
2. One of the McGiverns (Ryan?)
3. Paddy Mohan
4. Ryan McGovern
5. Chris McGovern
6. Ciaran McGovern
7. Dan McCartan
8. Gerard McCartan
9. Declan Rooney
10. James McGovern
11. Kevin McKernan
12. Eamon McGovern
13. Paudie Poland
14. Cathal Murdock
15.  Might have been Chris McCann. I can't remember.


Subs who came on were Ciaran Byrne, Brian Murphy and I think PJ McAlinden got a run out. Might have been a 4th too. I was looking at the ground mostly by that stage.

15. Conall MCGovern
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 11, 2009, 04:05:32 PM
just out of interest lads, mark valentine seemed to get very badly injured in the loughinisland v warrenpoint game. was he ok?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 11, 2009, 04:11:40 PM
That was a young enough burren team! who did the scoring? No eamon toner the down u21?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on August 11, 2009, 04:34:42 PM
Was at the Burren game last nite an also noted how young the burren team was, i think James McGovern at 23 was the oldest of the forwards!! Was talking to a burren man an he said Eamon Toner was out due to a head injury i think otherwise he would have been playing!!! on another note i wasn't far from the burren dug-out and the burren management were warming up PJ McAllinden and Paudric O'Rourke to come on until Kevin McKernan game running over and told the management to save these boys for the 2nds so they then put on Ciaran Byrne and Brian Murphy. Maybe in a tight game you would have to make these changes but burren had the game won handily last nite and to introduce these 2 boys and rule them outs the 2nds would have been idiotic, im suprised it took McKernan to come over and tell them the smart thing to do!!!!
Title: SENIOR CHAMPIONSHIP
Post by: True Blue on August 11, 2009, 05:16:15 PM
Was at all 1st round SFC games and these are my own thoughts. feel free to comment

Liatriom - Very strong up the middle and will be evn stronger with Doyle added to the starting 15.  on their day they are capable of beating any team but thought when the Stone ran directly at them like they did in the first half their defence was vunerable. a good draw could see them in a semi.

Kilcoo - If they can produce their 2nd half display for a full hour they will be a match for everyone. 2 brannigans in defence were excellent and although a pain in the backside Laverty tormented the Ford for the whole hour. its wat he does best. Like him or loathe him he is a good footballer. with the right draw could get to the final.

An Riocht - the first of the 3 mis-matches of the first round and although they disposed of C na B with no bother they do rely on Clarke and Colgan, who will not have the freedom in 1/4 final as they did on sat nite. in my opinion beaten 1/4 finalists.

L/Island - a very poor Island team beat an even poorer Point team. Not sending out the signals they did last year. without Dan & the 2 O'Reilly's starting they look a very pale shade of last years side. Dont see them progressing past the next round unless they draw an Riocht and even that is no easy game for them at the moment.

Saval - Jekyll & Hyde Poor 1st half, great 2nd half. rely too much on kearney and hughes. McConville did get the winning goal (please dont kiss to the crowd next time Fergal) his conversion rate was poor, wasted quite a number easy points.
If playing well they mite sneak into a semi

Mayobridge - the 2nd mis-match but you can only beat who is in front of you and they did that with ease. will anyone want them in the next round, i say no more, the team that beats the bridge will win the championship

Rostrevor - will be happy to get another bite at the cherry tomorrow nite. they are a very hard working team with a strong panel. one problem the have is in the middle of the field. they dont have a player who will win clean ball from kickouts and will rely on break ball. if they win enough they do have the firepower to trouble teams with parr cole and the mackins.

Clonduff - did they miss the boat? well they probably had the better of the chances versus rostrevor but were not clinical enough. again they have a good mixture of youth and experience in there 15 and with jason brown to come into that starting 15 it is another headache for the reds defence. if they get past the reds it might be as far as it goes

Burren - a very young team with great energy and movement around the field, hard tackling, a strong bench but you cannot take anything from the game as the harps just didnt put up any defence. they wil not have as much room in the 1/4 finals but in saying that they will be in with a good shout.

my order of the last nine

bridge
kilcoo & burren
rostrevor
saval & clonduff
liatriom
island
an riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 11, 2009, 05:43:07 PM
Is Ross McGarry fit for Saturdays game?????... I see he wasn't playing for the Point at the weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on August 11, 2009, 05:49:31 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 11, 2009, 05:43:07 PM
Is Ross McGarry fit for Saturdays game?????... I see he wasn't playing for the Point at the weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ross is 100% unlike some of the other county minors clarke & white (are 2 i know played this weekend), he wont play for his club in the league or championship until the county minors are knocked out. with the way we played on sat nite we could have done with him in the forward line. he wouldnt have got us victory but he would have helped sean mcmullan in winning ball in a very poor forward line
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 11, 2009, 05:53:38 PM
Quote from: True Blue on August 11, 2009, 05:49:31 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 11, 2009, 05:43:07 PM
Is Ross McGarry fit for Saturdays game?????... I see he wasn't playing for the Point at the weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ross is 100% unlike some of the other county minors clarke & white (are 2 i know played this weekend), he wont play for his club in the league or championship until the county minors are knocked out. with the way we played on sat nite we could have done with him in the forward line. he wouldnt have got us victory but he would have helped sean mcmullan in winning ball in a very poor forward line

??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ::) ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 11, 2009, 06:06:53 PM
Mark Haughey didn't play for the Shamrocks either in their game against Kilclief.

I don't think it is very becoming of a young player to throw his club on the scrap heap when a county match is coming up. Id say a lot of McGarry's peers at the Point are very fucked off with him. Its a bad attitude to have. If he's eligible to play for the club he should be there. Simple.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on August 11, 2009, 08:32:25 PM
Umpire, could you pm me, I've a handfull of sports related books I'll donate as a prize/prizes for the Prediction League.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on August 11, 2009, 09:33:04 PM
Dessie Kennedy said all minors were to go back to there club's a play at the weekend ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on August 11, 2009, 09:40:18 PM
Darragh Cross 1-12

St Johns 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on August 11, 2009, 10:24:32 PM
Downpatrick 1-11

Tullylish 1-09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on August 11, 2009, 11:09:02 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on August 11, 2009, 04:05:32 PM
just out of interest lads, mark valentine seemed to get very badly injured in the loughinisland v warrenpoint game. was he ok?


yeah, i seen that too, it looked a terrible injury, a lot of blood :o, didnt really see wat happened, maybe A MALLON  could shed some light on it, i think p, rooney was the video man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 12, 2009, 12:10:06 AM
Latest update on Prediction League after 2 games this eveining. Still 2 outstanding games to be played. Rostrevor v Clonduff and Aughlisnafin v Dromara

1   15   Bacon
2   15   bridgegael
3   14   DownFanatic
4   14   Dubh driocht
5   14   fred the ref
6   14   goalswingames
7   14   Johnnie99
8   14   Leo
9   14   minus15
10   14   western exile
11   13   Blue Island
12   13   Bredaghgael86
13   13   BRIDGE LAD
14   13   Cloneman
15   13   D45
16   13   Down6061689194
17   13   dunrumite
18   13   eyeswideopen
19   13   general
20   13   Green + Gold
21   13   Irelands32
22   13   meatsy86
23   13   Mid Down Gael
24   13   mourenrambler
25   13   Mourne Rover
26   13   Niall Quinn
27   13   off the laces
28   13   souljaboy
29   13   southdown
30   13   Square Ball
31   13   True Blue
32   12   An Cloch Scoilte
33   12   Bitta-Banter
34   12   Fitroyalty
35   12   Islandboy
36   12   marsbarkid
37   12   NO1
38   12   T O Hare
39   12   The Worker
40   12   TheClutch
41   12   thewobbler
42   12   too long ref
43   12   Umpire
44   12   wobbller
45   11   behind the wire
46   11   dundroma
47   11   Fender
48   11   goldenyears
49   11   Statto-gael
50   11   waitingforsam
51   10   Brick Tamlin
52   10   centre 3/4s
53   10   dodgy umpire
54   10   lfdown2
55   10   miss mess
56   9   amallon
57   9   passedit
58   9   Supersub
59   9   Trevor Hill
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on August 12, 2009, 09:18:22 AM
mark valentine suffered concussion and 12 stitches to a head wound. was not a pretty sight. not sure how long he will be out for.

in relation to our game last week i thought we were the better team throughout by a distance. we will have dan and both o reillys back for next round so i think we will give most teams a real test.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 12, 2009, 09:29:26 AM
is the draw on live on newry fm tonight does anyone know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 12, 2009, 10:14:41 AM
and whereabouts will it be made after the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on August 12, 2009, 10:53:05 AM
Is the minor game all ticket i have a few people home from New York, does anyone know thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 12, 2009, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: bikeflyer30 on August 12, 2009, 10:53:05 AM
Is the minor game all ticket i have a few people home from New York, does anyone know thanks.
U serious asking about minor game being all ticket? Breffni would hold 20k+ I'm sure
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 12, 2009, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: islandboy on August 12, 2009, 09:18:22 AM
mark valentine suffered concussion and 12 stitches to a head wound. was not a pretty sight. not sure how long he will be out for.

in relation to our game last week i thought we were the better team throughout by a distance. we will have dan and both o reillys back for next round so i think we will give most teams a real test.
islandboy what happened to result in such a nasty injury, i did hear there was a melee and ambulances where called but that is all that was said, can u shed any light on it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on August 12, 2009, 11:16:10 AM
ok was only asking' thought with the dub's they would have a big number of fans going......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on August 12, 2009, 11:33:07 AM
He went for a ball at start of game and understand colided with knee of one of our players. The scuffle was at end of game and referee really did not need to send 4 off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 12, 2009, 11:54:29 AM
There is a video report from Jerome Quinn from the Attical v Bredagh game on the Multimedia page on the Down website.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 12, 2009, 07:11:51 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 12, 2009, 11:54:29 AM
There is a video report from Jerome Quinn from the Attical v Bredagh game on the Multimedia page on the Down website.



very neatly done. good job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 12, 2009, 08:59:47 PM
The Finn's dream is over. Beat by 12 by Dromara in the JFC replay tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 12, 2009, 09:00:42 PM
Any other scores?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on August 12, 2009, 09:11:45 PM
Clonduff 1-8 Rostrevor 1-5

Rostrevor went 1-3 to 0-0 up, Clonduff dominating since. Damien Magee scored Rostrevors goal and Shane Ward got Clonduffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 12, 2009, 09:27:30 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 12, 2009, 11:54:29 AM
There is a video report from Jerome Quinn from the Attical v Bredagh game on the Multimedia page on the Down website.



diddnt even make it as a face in the crowd
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 12, 2009, 09:43:10 PM
JHC Result: Ballyvarley 3-16 clonduff 3-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on August 12, 2009, 09:56:26 PM
Final score:

Clonduff 1.18
Rostervor 1.6

Rostrevor absolutley abysmal apparentley.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on August 12, 2009, 09:58:44 PM
Bridge v Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatroim
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v Loughinisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 12, 2009, 10:00:10 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Person on August 12, 2009, 09:58:44 PM
Bridge v Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatroim
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v Loughinisland


You got intermediate and junior?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on August 12, 2009, 10:03:31 PM
Nah, just got a text from my mate there giving the senior games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 12, 2009, 10:29:36 PM
Senior Football Championship
Mayobridge v Kilcoo
Burren v Saval
Loughinisland v An Riocht
Liatroim v Clonduff

Intermediate Football Championship
Atticall v Kilclief
Ardglass v Dundrum
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St. Paul's
Bright v Dromara
St. John Bosco v Glenn

Premier Reserve Championship
Burren v An Riocht
Ballyholland v Warrenpoint
Rostrevor v Mayobridge
Ballymartin v Clonduff

Reserve Championship (Team on left has home advantage)
Burren v Rostrevor
Kilcoo v Glenn
St. John's v Castlewellan
Teconnaught v Kilclief
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on August 12, 2009, 10:38:26 PM
What weekend is the next round of championship fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 12, 2009, 10:47:20 PM
What a draw Kilcoo v the bridge. If Kilcoo win the championship the year it will be definatly won the hard way. Two hardest draws, but bring them on. Loughinisland, a poor side imo, get another handy draw just like they did at same stage last year, although the Kingdom could pull this one off. Burren will be too strong for Saval while on the evidence of what im just after seeing Clonduff will beat Liatroim. The yellas where brilliant with Carr, Fegan, Ward and the two OHagans outstanding. Rostrevor where awful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 12, 2009, 11:22:36 PM
I'm assuming its the weekend of the 22nd but I haven't heard anything official yet.

Kilcoo v The Bridge will be a cracker.  Kilcoo must be big favourites, the Bryansford game will have brought them on leaps and bounds.  The Bridge will have learnt nothing against Annaclone. I hope we can stick with them for the hour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 12, 2009, 11:28:26 PM
Prediction league after First Round.

Its a four way tie at top, Last year's winner DownFanatic proving to be top tipster!!

               pts            Names
1   16   Bacon
2   16   bridgegael
3   16   DownFanatic
4   16   western exile
5   15   BRIDGE LAD
6   15   Down6061689194
7   15   Dubh driocht
8   15   goalswingames
9   15   Johnnie99
10   15   Leo
11   15   Mid Down Gael
12   14   Blue Island
13   14   Bredaghgael86
14   14   Cloneman
15   14   D45
16   14   eyeswideopen
17   14   fred the ref
18   14   general
19   14   Green + Gold
20   14   Irelands32
21   14   meatsy86
22   14   minus15
23   14   Mourne Rover
24   14   Niall Quinn
25   14   off the laces
26   14   souljaboy
27   14   southdown
28   14   Square Ball
29   14   thewobbler
30   14   True Blue
31   13   An Cloch Scoilte
32   13   Bitta-Banter
33   13   dunrumite
34   13   Fitroyalty
35   13   Islandboy
36   13   mourenrambler
37   13   NO1
38   13   T O Hare
39   13   The Worker
40   13   TheClutch
41   13   too long ref
42   13   Umpire
43   13   waitingforsam
44   13   wobbller
45   12   behind the wire
46   12   centre 3/4s
47   12   Fender
48   12   goldenyears
49   12   marsbarkid
50   12   Statto-gael
51   11   Brick Tamlin
52   11   dodgy umpire
53   11   dundroma
54   11   lfdown2
55   11   miss mess
56   10   amallon
57   10   passedit
58   10   Supersub
59   10   Trevor Hill
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on August 12, 2009, 11:30:33 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 12, 2009, 11:22:36 PM
I'm assuming its the weekend of the 22nd but I haven't heard anything official yet.

Kilcoo v The Bridge will be a cracker.  Kilcoo must be big favourites, the Bryansford game will have brought them on leaps and bounds.  The Bridge will have learnt nothing against Annaclone. I hope we can stick with them for the hour.

As far as i know amallon, the next round is scheduled for the weekend of the 27th/28th/29th/30th August. It was in the master fixture list given at the start of the year!!

Great draw for Clonduff.................easy route to the semis!! ;) ;) ;)

On the Fergal McConville issue, Down could do a lot worse, and they have over the last 5/6 years!! I say draft in the new Withnell!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 12, 2009, 11:31:47 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on August 12, 2009, 10:38:26 PM
What weekend is the next round of championship fixtures?

I think it's from 27th-31st August
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 12, 2009, 11:41:02 PM
Some poor mind games going on here fellas  :o
There is certainly only one pete withnell
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 12, 2009, 11:42:24 PM
Excellent performance by Clonduff after their poor start. Very strong spine of the team starting with Paul McConville at no.2, Plunket McConville no 9 ruled midfield in commanding fashion, John Fegan no 12 was playmaker-in-chief with darting runs & using the ball brilliantly, no 24 sub Jason Brown improved things further when he came on.
Rostrevor very good for the first 10 mins when the breeze was quite strong but fell away once they started to lose midfield. Management made 3 subs at half-time after they hadn't scored for 20 mins but it didn't change things. Clonduff pulled away with most scores coming from play.

Ballyvarley easily the best in the JHC beforehand. Clonduff got two late goals to put respectability on the scoreboard.
Good crowd out in Newry, stand 3/4 full. Admission £5. Great initiative to have the quarter-final draw immediately after the final whistle, lots of counties could learn from that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 12, 2009, 11:47:52 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on August 12, 2009, 11:42:24 PM
Excellent performance by Clonduff after their poor start. Very strong spine of the team starting with Paul McConville at no.2, Plunket McConville no 9 ruled midfield in commanding fashion, John Fegan no 12 was playmaker-in-chief with darting runs & using the ball brilliantly, no 24 sub Jason Brown improved things further when he came on.
Rostrevor very good for the first 10 mins when the breeze was quite strong but fell away once they started to lose midfield. Management made 3 subs at half-time after they hadn't scored for 20 mins but it didn't change things. Clonduff pulled away with most scores coming from play.

Ballyvarley easily the best in the JHC beforehand. Clonduff got two late goals to put respectability on the scoreboard.
Good crowd out in Newry, stand 3/4 full. Admission £5. Great initiative to have the quarter-final draw immediately after the final whistle, lots of counties could learn from that.

I think their spine is a little crooked going by your observations ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 12, 2009, 11:50:05 PM
Does anyone know how to get rid of that pop-up that keeps appearing on the Down GAA website, i've tried clicking on the 'don't show me this message again' box but to no avail?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 13, 2009, 12:00:12 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 12, 2009, 11:50:05 PM
Does anyone know how to get rid of that pop-up that keeps appearing on the Down GAA website, i've tried clicking on the 'don't show me this message again' box but to no avail?
Its been driving me mad for three nights now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 13, 2009, 12:04:33 AM
Last meetings of  these quarter finalist.

2006 Semi final
Kilcoo 1.9 Mayobridge 0.13

2005 First Round
Liatriom 1.10 Clonduff 0.4

Don't have any record for the other 2 quarter finalist.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 13, 2009, 12:16:52 AM
those pop ups are a pain in the hole, and at 13/2 Kilcoo were a great bet
Title: rostrevor v clonduff
Post by: True Blue on August 13, 2009, 12:43:03 AM
the implosion of the year. rostrevor were brilliant for the first 15 min clonduff couldnt get their hands on the ball and then gave an exhibition of football for the next 45 only allowing the reds to score 1 point from a free. in fact rostrevor went from scoring 1-5 in the first 15 mins and didnt score for the next 40 mins. unbelievable. a bit like bryansford v kilcoo, no plan B when clonduff put it up to them. dont know what happened rostrevor although i did say they lacked in the mid field area and would have to survive on break ball but clonduff were much hungrier. would have to question the rostrevor management. how they left murney on john fegan for the last 15 min of the 1st half was startling. he stood in around the middle on his own picking up the loose ball and driving into the heart of rostrevors defence. he was involved in most of the scores that brought them from 6 down to 3 up by ht.
also the entire half forwrd line were always inside their own half no link to their full forwards at all.

interesting 1/4 final draw one of the big 2 will be out, burren will fancy themselves beating saval, clonduff will hope to have a similiar display against liatriom and you can toss a coin for the island and kingdom
Title: Bredagh Talks Sam & Liam -Sept 3rd @8.30pm Wellington Park Hotel
Post by: bredaghgael on August 13, 2009, 01:00:17 AM
   Regular guest Joe Brolly will be joined this year by fellow Derry man and Antrim Football Manager Liam Bradley,
Armagh's Oisin Mc Conville and Cork's All-Ireland Hurling winning Captain in 1990,RTE Hurling analyst Tomás Mulcahy.
Other guests will be confirmed closer to the event
Throw-in @ 8.30pm and MC for the event will be Jerome Quinn.

Tickets £10 to include entry to a draw for two All-Ireland Hurling Final tickets and two All-Ireland Football Final tickets
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 13, 2009, 01:23:13 AM
Thats some result for the yellows, the super reds fancied themselves this year and thought they had the manager in place to do so!!! Jarlath Austin has been a massive loss to thrm in previous years!!!

Some even draws in the quarter finals!!!! A toss of the coin between any of the four games!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 13, 2009, 09:30:05 AM
Still in shock from last nights match and result. Cant believe we couldnt muster one score from play in 50 odd minutes! Started very well and faded very badly. Clonduff just took over and were superb in the second half, although our boys allowed the to consistently waltz through. Thought fegan and ohagan were brilliant and never stopped running. Just a point on them fancying themselves, i dont think the team would have been cocky and amongst the supporters i wouldnt be suprised if some of them are happy because it gives them something to complain about - sad, but not far from the truth from what is heard on the bank everyweek!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Overthebar! on August 13, 2009, 09:55:01 AM
Quote from: supersub on August 13, 2009, 09:30:05 AM
Still in shock from last nights match and result. Cant believe we couldnt muster one score from play in 50 odd minutes! Started very well and faded very badly. Clonduff just took over and were superb in the second half, although our boys allowed the to consistently waltz through. Thought fegan and ohagan were brilliant and never stopped running. Just a point on them fancying themselves, i dont think the team would have been cocky and amongst the supporters i wouldnt be suprised if some of them are happy because it gives them something to complain about - sad, but not far from the truth from what is heard on the bank everyweek!

will rafferty be sticking around next year supersub? would have exprected more from him for the money he is getting...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 13, 2009, 10:17:44 AM
Its not the manager that didnt perform, its the players!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 13, 2009, 10:29:16 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 12, 2009, 11:22:36 PM
I'm assuming its the weekend of the 22nd but I haven't heard anything official yet.

Kilcoo v The Bridge will be a cracker.  Kilcoo must be big favourites, the Bryansford game will have brought them on leaps and bounds.  The Bridge will have learnt nothing against Annaclone. I hope we can stick with them for the hour.


Do I detect a hint of cute hoorism from the bridge ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on August 13, 2009, 02:10:35 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 13, 2009, 10:17:44 AM
Its not the manager that didn't perform, its the players!

supersub as well as we both know when the 15 players cross the white line it is up to them to perform. but the management are there to make changes to their set-up when they see the need for change. from where i was sitting they didn't make any positional switches during the 9 point swing in the last 15 mins of the first half. clonduff did to counteract rostrevors dominance moving john fegan under the dropping ball, aidan carr to mid field and making sure that at least one of their halfbacks stayed in front of the defence to cut out the good ball you were using in the first 15 mins. rostrevor did make 3 substitutes at half time, strange that clerkin and mc grath taken off there were other players in line before them. they left monk cole on young mcpoiln until he was taken off but couldn't see that he would have been better used in curtailing the damage done by john fegan. colm murney was destroyed on that side and he should have been good enough to hold on to mcpolin. the dominance of fegan and carr led to your full back line being led a merry dance by ward mcconville and o'hagan.

to imply that your manager is not to blame is surely a little naive
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 13, 2009, 07:04:25 PM
Fair enough about clonduff changing their tactics I would probably agree. But that doesnt alter the fact that the men who took the field and those who came on for rostrevor are/were more than capable of overturning clonduff with their potential ability!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on August 13, 2009, 07:39:35 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 12, 2009, 11:22:36 PM
I'm assuming its the weekend of the 22nd but I haven't heard anything official yet.

Kilcoo v The Bridge will be a cracker.  Kilcoo must be big favourites, the Bryansford game will have brought them on leaps and bounds.  The Bridge will have learnt nothing against Annaclone. I hope we can stick with them for the hour.

hardly at the mind games ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 13, 2009, 07:42:34 PM
can anyone tell me when the finals of the Senior, Intermediate and Junior football championships are planned for at this stage?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 13, 2009, 09:41:11 PM
I hear a few Ford fellas didn't behave themselves after losing their championship match!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 13, 2009, 09:46:19 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on August 13, 2009, 07:42:34 PM
can anyone tell me when the finals of the Senior, Intermediate and Junior football championships are planned for at this stage?

You Glenn boys must be looking to book the Monday and Tuesday off after the JFC Final. Forward thinking there.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on August 13, 2009, 09:49:03 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 13, 2009, 09:41:11 PM
I hear a few Ford fellas didn't behave themselves after losing their championship match!!!!

explain town gael....  by the way, who did you draw in the next round, oh aye thats right, your outta here. ;D   LETS GO F**KING MENTAL, CHICKEN ORIENTAL, LALALALALALALALALA ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 13, 2009, 09:53:52 PM
Attical beat An Riocht by 6 in Division 2 tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fender on August 13, 2009, 09:58:14 PM
Does anyone know when the venues will be confirmed for the next round of the championship??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on August 13, 2009, 10:06:07 PM
Quote from: Fender on August 13, 2009, 09:58:14 PM
Does anyone know when the venues will be confirmed for the next round of the championship??

My understanding is that they are waiting to see how the minors get on this Saturday against Dublin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 13, 2009, 10:10:21 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 13, 2009, 09:49:03 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 13, 2009, 09:41:11 PM
I hear a few Ford fellas didn't behave themselves after losing their championship match!!!!

explain town gael....  by the way, who did you draw in the next round, oh aye thats right, your outta here. ;D   LETS GO F**KING MENTAL, CHICKEN ORIENTAL, LALALALALALALALALA ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I really think this subject shouldnt be discussed on the board. Its a very serious issue and am sure it will be out to the public in future days.

--
Mod Comment:
Sound advice.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 13, 2009, 10:17:00 PM
Mod Edit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 14, 2009, 08:20:26 AM
Mod Edit.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 14, 2009, 08:25:35 AM
It just struck me there now that even should a fiendish fightback meet a calamitous collapse, the Shamrocks can't catch Ballyholland this season. Which brings a smile to my face.  :)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on August 14, 2009, 10:59:31 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 14, 2009, 08:25:35 AM
It just struck me there now that even should a fiendish fightback meet a calamitous collapse, the Shamrocks can't catch Ballyholland this season. Which brings a smile to my face.  :)



im sure that smile will widen even more if they are relegated. such great love between you both!!!!!! ;D :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 14, 2009, 04:16:52 PM
Highlights of the Clonduff v Rostrevor game are now on the multimedia page on the Down website

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fender on August 14, 2009, 06:05:21 PM
My pick for the next round!!

Senior Football Championship
Mayobridge v Kilcoo
Burren v Saval
Loughinisland v An Riocht
Liatroim v Clonduff

Intermediate Football Championship
Atticall v Kilclief
Ardglass v Dundrum
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St. Paul's
Bright v Dromara
St. John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 14, 2009, 06:52:43 PM
Prediction League Quarter-final
Please wait till dates and venues are announced first before you choose your selection.

Paul Welsh, Sport Editor of Newry Reporter will provided the prizes for winners

Very much appreciated Paul.


p.s
Fender, i have noted your selection
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 14, 2009, 09:12:50 PM
Harps beat banbridge 1-11 to 11, poor game from what I saw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 14, 2009, 09:18:01 PM
Burren 0.13 Kilcoo 1.13
7 points each at half time.

Mayobridge 3.13 Castlewellan 1.8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 14, 2009, 09:25:37 PM
Loughinisland and Longstone drew.
Good game in Burren, Kilcoo deservedly won. Great to see Anthony Devlin, Marty McClean and Nial McEvoy getting a game behind them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 14, 2009, 09:29:18 PM
Division 3

Dundrum 1-12  Drumgath 1-05

Thoroughly entertaining game tonight. Pure excitement from start to finish and surprisingly the standard of football was pretty good too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 14, 2009, 09:30:54 PM
Dundrum seem to be peaking at minute. The way they are playing they could give the intermediate a good rattle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 14, 2009, 09:31:29 PM
Darragh Cross 1-9 Glasdrumman 0-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 14, 2009, 09:34:06 PM
Downpatrick beat Kilclief by 6.
No real contest at all as understrength RGU bossed it from start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 14, 2009, 09:38:10 PM
Bredagh won by 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on August 14, 2009, 09:39:15 PM
Saval 1-10 Liatroim 1-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 14, 2009, 09:46:48 PM
St. Paul's 1-10 Teconnaught 2-13

disappointing is the only word for it!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fender on August 14, 2009, 09:54:53 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 14, 2009, 09:30:54 PM
Dundrum seem to be peaking at minute. The way they are playing they could give the intermediate a good rattle.

Was at burren tonight, and kilcoo did deserve their vitory. Was talking to my brother in law who was down in Dundrum. Said Dundrum played some exellent football beating a strong Drumgath team with only 14 men for 40mins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 14, 2009, 10:01:10 PM
Division 3

St Johns  2-7  Tullylish 1-9

Thats twice this year the Johnnies have beat the Lish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on August 14, 2009, 10:29:59 PM
Friday 14th August 2009

O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Mayobridge  4-13 1-8 Castlewellan  Mayobridge   
Longstone  1-13 1-13 Loughinisland  Longstone   
Saval  1-10 1-7 Liatroim  Saval   
Burren  0-13 1-13 Kilcoo  Burren 

O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ballyholland  1-11 0-11 Clann na Banna  Ballyholland   
Downpatrick  1-11 0-8 Kilclief  Downpatrick   
Shamrocks  1-9 1-14 Annaclone  Shamrocks   
Carryduff  1-7 1-8 Ballymartin  Carryduff   
Darragh Cross  1-9 0-9 Glasdrumman  Darragh Cross   

O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
St Johns  2-7 1-9 Tullylish  St Johns   
Bredagh  1-10 0-9 Drumaness  Bredagh   
Ardglass  2-13 1-7 Saul  Ardglass   
Glenn  2-10 1-10 Aghaderg  Glenn   
St Pauls  1-10 2-13 Teconnaught  St Pauls   
Dundrum  1-12 1-5 Drumgath  Dundrum   

O Neills Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ballykinlar  0-7 3-17 St Michaels  Ballykinlar   
St John Bosco  2-19 1-5 Bright  St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 14, 2009, 10:43:22 PM
Division 3 Table

                 Played        Points
Tullylish         17              27
-----------------------------------------
Glenn            17             25
St Johns        17             22
-----------------------------------------
Bredagh         17             21
Drumgath       16            20
Ardglass         16             18
Dundrum        17            18
Saul               17            15
-----------------------------------------
Teconnaught   17           14
St Pauls           17           10
Drumaness       17            8
-----------------------------------------
Aghaderg         17            2


Outstanding Fixture: Ardglass v Drumgath (Monday night)

Ive been reliably informed that the Ardglass v Glenn game from the first half of the season will not be played again and the game has been declared null and void. There will be no points awarded to either team.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 14, 2009, 10:44:35 PM
Who told you that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 14, 2009, 11:05:38 PM
The town were good tonight!!  the fella doing the gate offered me half my money back cause i left that early
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 14, 2009, 11:39:34 PM
Mayobridge vs Castlewellan
The Town were unlucky to go in 1-06 to 0-06 down at the break but once Benny Coulter hit the second goal for Mayobridge about 7-8 mins into the second half they stepped up a gear. The Town still had 2 more sitter goal chances they missed to get things back on track but the class of the Bridge forwards told as their clinical approach saw them cruise through the last 15 as a number of Townmen visibly dropped their heads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 14, 2009, 11:45:36 PM
How'd the ref do? ;D ;) :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 14, 2009, 11:51:07 PM
Ref done fine Mournerambler as did the ref in our championship defeat!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 14, 2009, 11:54:15 PM
Glad to hear that you & the match officials are all hunky dory now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 15, 2009, 12:02:14 AM
Division three is heading towards a a real dog fight over the last five games. Tullylish are probably the pick of the bunch, but had a poor result toight against St John's. While Glenn should also make the play-offs, they are far from home yet. There is very little between the next five clubs, in either points or ability. Bredagh and Drumgath have been unconvincing over recent games, but still have a decent chance of the third slot. While St John's have done well to make the top three, it is still difficult to see them staying there. Dundrum and Ardglass have found form at the right time, but have ground to make up. If the Ardglass/Drumgath game is definitely going ahead
on Monday, the losers will be almost out of it. It is all shaping up nicely for a big finish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 15, 2009, 12:02:39 AM
Hunky Dory as long as they do the thing fairly- as most GAA men are!
Anyway any bad decisions he made in the last fifteen minutes in the far half of the pitch weren't seen by me due to the fact it was nearly feckin dark. Time to start the games at 7.15 again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 15, 2009, 12:17:09 AM
By the way the Bridge programme tonight was better tham many I get at county games- excellent. The research the men who make it do is fantastic and a credit to their club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redhandloo on August 15, 2009, 12:38:58 AM
As a Tyrone man, I went to a few bridge games last year (a club mate of mine was the manager) and I was blown away by the quality of the programme.  Top class.  Would definitely agree that it was better than a lot of publications brought out for national league games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Boat Race In The Crowd on August 15, 2009, 12:40:56 AM
Anyone have the ED U14 QF championship results from Thursday night?
I have one result Saul 3-04 Bredagh 1-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on August 15, 2009, 04:34:50 AM
Anyone heard aything for the venue of the U16 A and B finals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 15, 2009, 08:54:00 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on August 15, 2009, 04:34:50 AM
Anyone heard aything for the venue of the U16 A and B finals?

The A final is in Ballygalget, the B in Ballela.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on August 15, 2009, 09:10:57 AM
Many thanks lecale2, you wouldnt happen to know the south down football one's aswell ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 15, 2009, 01:45:29 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 14, 2009, 09:30:54 PM
Dundrum seem to be peaking at minute. The way they are playing they could give the intermediate a good rattle.

Was thinking the exact same about Ardglass. Could make for an interesting championship game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on August 15, 2009, 01:53:04 PM
The Bridge match programmes are the great work of t o'hare and amallon among others.they should definatly be commended.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 15, 2009, 03:12:06 PM
Paul Rooney is the main man behind the program, James Gallagher and myself contribute a few words to it.  I don't understand why every club isn't doing a similar program, its a great fundraiser.  Liatroim are getting there with theirs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 15, 2009, 03:35:29 PM
any truth that there were 4 red cards in the downpatrick v kilclief game??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU till i die on August 15, 2009, 04:45:15 PM
Yeah 2 straight reds early on and two near the end both double yellows. Not a dirty game though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on August 15, 2009, 05:25:36 PM
CONGRATULATIONS TO DOWN MINORS.  listening to it on the radio, seemed like a really exciting match, never missed a wide.  looks like the senior championship is back on next weekend, ;D ;D ;DCANT WAIT.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 15, 2009, 05:28:31 PM
Absolutly brilliant win for the Down men. unbelievable. Well done to all involved. Cant wait for a we trip to croke in two weeks. Bring on the bridge next weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on August 15, 2009, 05:33:24 PM
Yea brilliant win we were due some luck this year, got a goal with just about the last kick of the game to win by 2 points, they say Mc Garry hit a free from 55 yards out ( of the ground ) to tie the game up, i dont think any of our seniors could have done that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 15, 2009, 05:48:00 PM
Great win for the minors, Niall McParland from Glenn hit the net with the last kick of the game to win it. Good luck against Mayo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 15, 2009, 06:05:42 PM
Senior Football Championship
Mayobridge v Kilcoo
Burren v Saval
Loughinisland v An Riocht
Liatroim v Clonduff

Intermediate Football Championship
Atticall v Kilclief
Ardglass v Dundrum
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St. Paul's
Bright v Dromara
St. John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 15, 2009, 06:08:15 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 15, 2009, 06:05:42 PM
Senior Football Championship
Mayobridge v Kilcoo
Burren v Saval
Loughinisland v An Riocht
Liatroim v Clonduff

Intermediate Football Championship
Atticall v Kilclief
Ardglass v Dundrum
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St. Paul's
Bright v Dromara
St. John Bosco v Glenn

Not predicting the Seniors? You will slip more down the pecking order now  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 15, 2009, 06:20:40 PM
Listened to this game on the radio and I have never ever heard a finish like it......the lead must have changed hands 3 times during injury time alone. That was some kick by McGarry off the ground from 55 yds out....and then when McParland scored the goal I thought Jack Devanney was going have a heart attack....well done to Mark Turley and the boys. What odds we get Armagh in the final if we get over Mayo...

BTW fair play to Five FM for the coverage....Devanney is a very good commentator....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on August 15, 2009, 06:29:02 PM
Powerade Senior Football Champoionship

Friday 21st Aug 6 45 Ballyholland
Burren v Saval(C Reynolds)

Saturday 22nd Aug 6 30 Castlewellan
An Riocht v Loughinisland(D Brogan)

Sunday 23rd Aug  6 30  Clonduff
Mayobridge v Kilcoo(N Cousins)

Monday 24th Aug 7 00 Newcastle
Clonduff v Liatroim(P Brannigan)

Around a Pound Intermediate Football Championship

Thurs 20th Aug 7 00 Downpatrick
Ardglass v Dundrum(N Morgan)
Thurs 20th Aug 7 00 An Riocht
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman(L Smith)

Saturday 22nd Aug 5 00 Castlewellan
Atticall v Kilclief(S O Hanlon)

Sunday 23rd Aug 5 00 Clonduff
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick(M Devlin)

Around a Pound Junior Football Championship
Sun 23rd Aug 1 00 Loughinisland
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught(E Mc Grath)
Sun 23rd Aug 1 00 Darragh Cross
Aghaderg v St Pauls(O Burke)
Sun 23rd Aug 1 00 St Johns
Bright v Dromara(A Grant)
Sun 23rd Aug 1 00 Saval
St John Bosco v Glenn(E Mc Carthy)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 15, 2009, 06:59:03 PM
Senior Football Championship
Mayobridge v Kilcoo
Burren v Saval
Loughinisland v An Riocht
Liatroim v Clonduff

Intermediate Football Championship
Atticall v Kilclief
Ardglass v Dundrum
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St. Paul's
Bright v Dromara
St. John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 15, 2009, 07:04:13 PM
Just for you all knowledgebale one  ;D

Mayobridge
Burren
Loughinisland
Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on August 15, 2009, 07:08:48 PM
Senior Football Championship
Mayobridge v Kilcoo
Burren v Saval
Loughinisland v An Riocht
Liatroim v Clonduff

Intermediate Football Championship
Atticall v Kilclief
Ardglass v Dundrum
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St. Paul's
Bright v Dromara
St. John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 15, 2009, 07:11:34 PM
Senior Football Championship
Mayobridge v Kilcoo
Burren v Saval
Loughinisland v An Riocht
Liatroim  v Clonduff

Intermediate Football Championship
Atticall v Kilclief
Ardglass v Dundrum
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St. Paul's
Bright v Dromara
St. John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: idontbelieveit on August 15, 2009, 07:31:40 PM
Senior Football Championship
Mayobridge v Kilcoo
Burren v Saval
Loughinisland v An Riocht
Liatroim  v Clonduff

Intermediate Football Championship
Atticall v Kilclief
Ardglass v Dundrum
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman


No interest in Juniors to be honest!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 15, 2009, 07:34:44 PM
Quote from: idontbelieveit on August 15, 2009, 07:31:40 PM
Senior Football Championship
Mayobridge v Kilcoo
Burren v Saval
Loughinisland v An Riocht
Liatroim  v Clonduff

Intermediate Football Championship
Atticall v Kilclief
Ardglass v Dundrum
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman


No interest in Juniors to be honest!


w**ker
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on August 15, 2009, 07:35:46 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on August 15, 2009, 06:29:02 PM
Powerade Senior Football Champoionship

Friday 21st Aug 6 45 Ballyholland
Burren v Saval(C Reynolds)

Saturday 22nd Aug 6 30 Castlewellan
An Riocht v Loughinisland(D Brogan)

Sunday 23rd Aug  6 30  Clonduff
Mayobridge v Kilcoo(N Cousins)

Monday 24th Aug 7 00 Newcastle
Clonduff v Liatroim(P Brannigan)

Around a Pound Intermediate Football Championship

Thurs 20th Aug 7 00 Downpatrick
Ardglass v Dundrum(N Morgan)
Thurs 20th Aug 7 00 An Riocht
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman(L Smith)

Saturday 22nd Aug 5 00 Castlewellan
Atticall v Kilclief(S O Hanlon)

Sunday 23rd Aug 5 00 Clonduff
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick(M Devlin)

Around a Pound Junior Football Championship
Sun 23rd Aug 1 00 Loughinisland
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught(E Mc Grath)
Sun 23rd Aug 1 00 Darragh Cross
Aghaderg v St Pauls(O Burke)
Sun 23rd Aug 1 00 St Johns
Bright v Dromara(A Grant)
Sun 23rd Aug 1 00 Saval
St John Bosco v Glenn(E Mc Carthy)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: idontbelieveit on August 15, 2009, 08:16:08 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 15, 2009, 07:34:44 PM
Quote from: idontbelieveit on August 15, 2009, 07:31:40 PM
Senior Football Championship
Mayobridge v Kilcoo
Burren v Saval
Loughinisland v An Riocht
Liatroim  v Clonduff

Intermediate Football Championship
Atticall v Kilclief
Ardglass v Dundrum
Downpatrick v Darragh Cross
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman


No interest in Juniors to be honest!


w**ker


Why so fanatic? It is really a toss-up between dundrum/ardglass, wont be one for the history books anyway!
And inmo, theres no entertainment factor in the junior championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 15, 2009, 08:20:54 PM
Im not talking about Dundrum v Ardglass you ballbag.

Its your lack of disregard for the JFC is what fucks me off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: idontbelieveit on August 15, 2009, 08:26:54 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 15, 2009, 08:20:54 PM
Im not talking about Dundrum v Ardglass you ballbag.

Its your lack of disregard for the JFC is what f**ks me off.

Look you arsehole, im sure 80% of people on this forum arent busting a gut to find out the results of the JFC
I'm not passing opinion on a match between the "Kinlar and Techonaught because to be honest i couldnt give a shite!
I'm not degrading the JFC, its just a fact!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on August 15, 2009, 09:00:08 PM
Quote from: idontbelieveit on August 15, 2009, 08:26:54 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 15, 2009, 08:20:54 PM
Im not talking about Dundrum v Ardglass you ballbag.

Its your lack of disregard for the JFC is what f**ks me off.

Look you arsehole, im sure 80% of people on this forum arent busting a gut to find out the results of the JFC
I'm not passing opinion on a match between the "Kinlar and Techonaught because to be honest i couldnt give a shite!
I'm not degrading the JFC, its just a fact!


Of course you are degrading the JFC.

Considering dundrum play ardglass in the intermediate championship I doubt either will win it!  You are only really showing your ignorance.

There may be plenty of people who do not follow the junior championship that closely as there team does not play in it, there is also plenty of people who do not follow the senior championship that closely as there team are not playing in it.

I'll bet winning the junior championship meant as much to St John's last year as winning the senior did to Mayobridge.

There is a competition on this forum to see who can predict the most championship results, if you want to play then fill in all the results otherwise you are just being a p***k.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: idontbelieveit on August 15, 2009, 09:07:48 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 15, 2009, 09:00:08 PM
Quote from: idontbelieveit on August 15, 2009, 08:26:54 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 15, 2009, 08:20:54 PM
Im not talking about Dundrum v Ardglass you ballbag.

Its your lack of disregard for the JFC is what f**ks me off.

Look you arsehole, im sure 80% of people on this forum arent busting a gut to find out the results of the JFC
I'm not passing opinion on a match between the "Kinlar and Techonaught because to be honest i couldnt give a shite!
I'm not degrading the JFC, its just a fact!


Of course you are degrading the JFC.

Considering dundrum play ardglass in the intermediate championship I doubt either will win it!  You are only really showing your ignorance.

There may be plenty of people who do not follow the junior championship that closely as there team does not play in it, there is also plenty of people who do not follow the senior championship that closely as there team are not playing in it.

I'll bet winning the junior championship meant as much to St John's last year as winning the senior did to Mayobridge.

There is a competition on this forum to see who can predict the most championship results, if you want to play then fill in all the results otherwise you are just being a p***k.

Fair enough thats just my overall opinion
However even though my club is in the intermediate i would still follow the senior as closely as a senior champ clubman...
To be honest its a pointless debate, but its my overall opinion!
Title: Predictions JFC
Post by: True Blue on August 15, 2009, 09:08:34 PM
if idontbelieveit isnt willing to make his full predictions, its simple

disregard his predictions disqualify him and lets all move on.

im waiting until later next week to finalise mine
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on August 15, 2009, 09:12:19 PM
Quote from: idontbelieveit on August 15, 2009, 09:07:48 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on August 15, 2009, 09:00:08 PM
Quote from: idontbelieveit on August 15, 2009, 08:26:54 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 15, 2009, 08:20:54 PM
Im not talking about Dundrum v Ardglass you ballbag.

Its your lack of disregard for the JFC is what f**ks me off.

Look you arsehole, im sure 80% of people on this forum arent busting a gut to find out the results of the JFC
I'm not passing opinion on a match between the "Kinlar and Techonaught because to be honest i couldnt give a shite!
I'm not degrading the JFC, its just a fact!


Of course you are degrading the JFC.

Considering dundrum play ardglass in the intermediate championship I doubt either will win it!  You are only really showing your ignorance.

There may be plenty of people who do not follow the junior championship that closely as there team does not play in it, there is also plenty of people who do not follow the senior championship that closely as there team are not playing in it.

I'll bet winning the junior championship meant as much to St John's last year as winning the senior did to Mayobridge.

There is a competition on this forum to see who can predict the most championship results, if you want to play then fill in all the results otherwise you are just being a p***k.

Fair enough thats just my overall opinion
However even though my club is in the intermediate i would still follow the senior as closely as a senior champ clubman...
To be honest its a pointless debate, but its my overall opinion!


listen mate just play the game make your predictions and stop causing agro, because it does sound like you are taking the p*** out of the JFC, my club is out of the championship, senior it may be,  but the whole point of being in the prediction league is to see how well you are versed in club football in down and predict winners, so just predict the 4 winners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 15, 2009, 09:15:24 PM
That was a fantastic result for Down minors today. I could not get there, due  to a clash with the u16 championship, but, to recover from all the disruptions to training, and then hit back after conceding such a late goal, shows a squad with great physical and mental toughness.

We have now in another AI minor semi, having won two AI championships at this  level in the last decade, we have taken three of the last five provincial u21 championships, the Abbey won a MacRory and Hogan in 2006, with St Louis of Kilkeel every bit as good as them that season, and we have won three consecutive Vocational Schools AIs through St Malachy's of Castlewellan (twice) and St Columban's of Kilkeel.

Under age talent guarentees nothing, but the hard evidence is that we are producing some of the best young players in the country year after year. It is ludicrous that we have not managed a provincial senior title in the last 15 years, and it will be even more alarming if we cannot manage a breakthrough (ie an AI QF) in the next two or three years.

People sometimes complain about unduly high expectations in Down football, but we are entitled to expect a much better return than we have been getting since 1994.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 15, 2009, 09:45:53 PM
I think that toss bag Idontbelieveit shouldn't get to predict for acting like a P***k!
Disrespectful toe - rag!

Looking forward to next weekend, alot of people predicting Kilcoo to beat the Bridge. A few weeks ago it was mad to suggest the sort, but after last week they have a new confidence about them plus alot of their key players returning from injury, but not to sound overconfident, think the bridge will have 5 / 6 points to spare. Kilcoo still very small team all round, and if Bryansford had have taken their chances to score ( heard a few of their players scored afterwards  ;) ;)) them two goals in the first half it would have been alot different! Bridge can step up a gear whenever required........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 15, 2009, 09:46:31 PM
PREDICTION LEAGUE, QUARTER-FINALS

Your selection for prediction  league should be in this order
I have noted all previous selection.
Good luck.

Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on August 15, 2009, 10:04:40 PM
I totally agree with you there Mourne Rover, and i think there must be at least 4 of todays team who will make it thru to seniors, McGarry, Mooney,O'Hanlon, and White

Still lossing Clarke to Oz was a massive blow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on August 15, 2009, 10:22:26 PM
PREDICTION LEAGUE, QUARTER-FINALS

Your selection for prediction  league should be in this order
I have noted all previous selection.
Good luck.

Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St Johns v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on August 15, 2009, 10:24:04 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St Johns v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 15, 2009, 10:40:25 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval (Draw)
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge   v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St Johns v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 15, 2009, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on August 15, 2009, 09:45:53 PM
I think that toss bag Idontbelieveit shouldn't get to predict for acting like a P***k!
Disrespectful toe - rag!

Looking forward to next weekend, alot of people predicting Kilcoo to beat the Bridge. A few weeks ago it was mad to suggest the sort, but after last week they have a new confidence about them plus alot of their key players returning from injury, but not to sound overconfident, think the bridge will have 5 / 6 points to spare. Kilcoo still very small team all round, and if Bryansford had have taken their chances to score ( heard a few of their players scored afterwards  ;) ;)) them two goals in the first half it would have been alot different! Bridge can step up a gear whenever required........


They didnt step it up too many gears in last years league final. And to say Kilcoo are small?? Off the first 15 that started against the ford 8 are over 6 foot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on August 15, 2009, 10:57:34 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 15, 2009, 11:00:51 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on August 16, 2009, 12:41:58 AM
PREDICTION LEAGUE, QUARTER-FINALS

Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on August 16, 2009, 08:36:59 AM
Why are St John's still in the JFC if they won it last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 16, 2009, 10:08:51 AM
Quote from: Bacon on August 16, 2009, 08:36:59 AM
Why are St John's still in the JFC if they won it last year?
Its St Johns Bosco who are still in JFC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 16, 2009, 10:13:59 AM
Championship Fixtures for this week.

Newry Democrat Intermediate Hurling Championship

Wed 19th Aug
Downpatrick 6 45
Liatroim v Kilclief

Newry Democrat Intermediate Hurling Championship

Sun 23rd Aug
Castlewellan 4 45
Bredagh v Ballela

Newry Democrat Junior Hurling Championship

Wed 19th Aug
Ballela 6 45
Ballyvarley v Castlewellan

Newry Democrat Junior Hurling Championship
Sun 23rd Aug
Castlwellan 3 00
Carryduff v Warrenpoint

Powerade Senior Football Champoionship

Friday 21st Aug 6 45 Ballyholland
Burren v Saval (C Reynolds)

Saturday 22nd Aug 6 30 Castlewellan
An Riocht v Loughinisland (D Brogan)

Sunday 23rd Aug  6 30  Clonduff
Mayobridge v Kilcoo (N Cousins)

Monday 24th Aug 7 00 Newcastle
Clonduff v Liatroim (P Brannigan)

Around a Pound Intermediate Football Championship

Thurs 20th Aug 7 00 Downpatrick
Ardglass v Dundrum(N Morgan)

Thurs 20th Aug 7 00 An Riocht
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman (L Smith)

Saturday 22nd Aug 5 00 Castlewellan
Atticall v Kilclief (S O Hanlon)

Sunday 23rd Aug 5 00 Clonduff
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick (M Devlin)

Around a Pound Junior Football Championship

Sun 23rd Aug 1 00 Loughinisland
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught (E Mc Grath)

Sun 23rd Aug 1 00 Darragh Cross
Aghaderg v St Pauls(O Burke)

Sun 23rd Aug 1 00 St Johns
Bright v Dromara (A Grant)

Sun 23rd Aug 1 00 Saval
St John Bosco v Glenn (E Mc Carthy)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on August 16, 2009, 10:58:37 AM

Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St Johns v Glenn

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 16, 2009, 11:13:13 AM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick
Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St Johns v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on August 16, 2009, 11:23:23 AM
Quote from: Niall Quinn on August 15, 2009, 10:57:34 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick - Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught - Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls -  St Pauls
Bright v Dromara -  Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn -  Glenn

Sorry umpire, every time i went 2 predict the junior winners in bold the whole fixture came up in bold!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 16, 2009, 11:46:19 AM
My apologises for any inconveinces i have caused regarding St John Bosco.

Its should be St John Bosco v Glenn, not St johns v Glenn.
 


PREDICTION LEAGUE, QUARTER-FINALS

Your selection for prediction  league should be in this order
I have noted all previous selection.
Good luck.

Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 16, 2009, 11:53:15 AM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick
Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St Johns v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on August 16, 2009, 11:55:24 AM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on August 16, 2009, 12:59:08 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on August 16, 2009, 01:34:23 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on August 16, 2009, 01:44:55 PM
Sunday World sold out 2day
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on August 16, 2009, 01:55:44 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on August 16, 2009, 01:44:55 PM
Sunday World sold out 2day


Yeah joke paper, il never buy it again! awful headline
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: greygoose on August 16, 2009, 01:59:42 PM
What was in the Sunday World ?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 16, 2009, 04:32:14 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman - Really tough 1 to call, will be like a championship final to them both,  but glasdrumman may just be hungrier for the win!
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 16, 2009, 04:36:13 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on August 16, 2009, 04:41:08 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 16, 2009, 06:45:22 PM
Today Ssnior football diiv one game
Rostreor 1.09 Bryansford 1.12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 16, 2009, 06:48:28 PM
Previous Senior football championship meetings
2006 Semi final
Mayobridge 0.13 Kilcoo 1.9

Sean Featherstone;
Gavin Barry, Kieran O'Hare, Micheal Lively;
Brendan Rooney, Brendan Grant, Darragh Tighe 0.1;
Eoghan Woods, Cathal Magee 0.1;
Noel Sexton 0.2, Benny Coulter 0.2, Ronan Sexton 0.2;
John Quinn 0.4, Micheal Walsh 0.1 Adrain Barry;
Subs used
Declan Rooney for C.Magee and Seamus Grant for Noel Sexton.

Kilcoo
Emmett Devlin;
Naill McAvoy, Sean O'Hanlon, Gerard McAvoy;
Brian O'Hanlon, Roger Morgan, Aidan Brannigan 0.1;
Martin McClean, Phemlin McGreevey;
Damian Grant 0.2, Dominic McAvoy 0.1, Conor Morgan;
Donal Kane 0.1, Anthony Devlin 1.1, Sean Kelly 0.1
Subs used.
Conor Laverty 0.1for Dominic McAvoy, Paul Devlin 0.1 for Conor Morgan and Conor McClean for Damian Grant.


2005
Liatriom 1.10 Clonduff 0.4

Liatriom
Eamon Clarke;
Paddy Keary, Paul Middleton, Damian Rice;
Dan Morgan, Eamon Middleton,  Ciaran Bannon 0.1;
Liam Doyle 0.5, Colin McCrickard;
JP Owen. PP McCartan, Donnagh O'Higgins;
Paul Brennan 0.1, Aidan O'Prey 0.3, Aidan Brown 0.1.
Subs
Stephen O'Higgins for Paul Brennan, John Brown for Eamon Middleton. and Joe Malone for Ciaran Bannon.

Clonduff
P. Wilson;
Kieram Trainor, Padraig Matthews, Francis Quinn;
Paul Quinn; Paul Sheilds, Gary McDonald;
John Morgan, Paul McShane 0.1;
Eugene Brannigan, John Fegan, Fintan McConville;
Damian Fearon, Shane Ward 0.2, Jason Brown 0.1.
Subs used
John McPolin for Kieran Trainor, Daniel McPolin for Eugene Brannigan, Liam Ward for John Morgan and Aidan Carr for Damian Fearon.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on August 16, 2009, 10:14:20 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 16, 2009, 10:25:30 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on August 16, 2009, 11:08:54 PM

Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on August 17, 2009, 01:03:52 AM
Is Jimmy O'Reilly back from oz?, any word on how it when for him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 17, 2009, 08:20:29 AM
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 17, 2009, 01:03:52 AM
Is Jimmy O'Reilly back from oz?, any word on how it when for him?

Who is he? Surely not the Jimmy O'Reilly who used to manage Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goalswingames on August 17, 2009, 09:06:40 AM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Crossv Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 17, 2009, 09:19:06 AM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on August 17, 2009, 09:47:12 AM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 17, 2009, 09:50:19 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 16, 2009, 10:13:59 AM
Championship Fixtures for this week.

Around a Pound Junior Football Championship

Sun 23rd Aug 1 00 Darragh Cross
Aghaderg v St Pauls(O Burke)


This has been changed to Carryduff as Darragh Cross is unavailable!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 17, 2009, 10:35:24 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 17, 2009, 08:20:29 AM
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 17, 2009, 01:03:52 AM
Is Jimmy O'Reilly back from oz?, any word on how it when for him?

Who is he? Surely not the Jimmy O'Reilly who used to manage Down?

Grandson i think, more commonly known as Jamie.


Newry Democrat Intermediate Hurling Championship

Wed 19th Aug
Downpatrick 6 45
Liatroim v Kilclief

Liatroim would be favourites here but Growler has Kilclief going well so i wouldn't be surprised if they won this one and go on to win the competition outright.

Newry Democrat Intermediate Hurling Championship

Sun 23rd Aug
Castlewellan 4 45
Bredagh v Ballela

Haven't seen Bredagh this year but if you want to beat Ballela keep the ball out the wings as they're failry strong up the middle but somewhat lacking out wide especially in their forwards.

Newry Democrat Junior Hurling Championship

Wed 19th Aug
Ballela 6 45
Ballyvarley v Castlewellan
Ballyvarley are probably the pick of the junior clubs and should take this one but won't have it all their own way.

Newry Democrat Junior Hurling Championship
Sun 23rd Aug
Castlwellan 3 00
Carryduff v Warrenpoint

The point first team should have too much for a learning Carryduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on August 17, 2009, 12:12:09 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 17, 2009, 12:29:49 PM
Are the league games involving those already out of the championship going ahead this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on August 17, 2009, 01:48:19 PM
Senior Football

Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football

Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football

Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on August 17, 2009, 01:52:49 PM
Senior Football

Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge   v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football

Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football

Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 17, 2009, 02:11:42 PM
My usual Monday request - anybody have this week's East Down Fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 17, 2009, 02:15:51 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 17, 2009, 02:11:42 PM
My usual Monday request - anybody have this week's East Down Fixtures?

The way that East Down is being run, I wouldn't be surprised if the East Down board didn't have them either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 17, 2009, 02:29:14 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 17, 2009, 02:15:51 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 17, 2009, 02:11:42 PM
My usual Monday request - anybody have this week's East Down Fixtures?

The way that East Down is being run, I wouldn't be surprised if the East Down board didn't have them either.
Dont jest to much as the fact is that they do not know all the results for this year never mind the fixtures for this week.
I heard some of the guys talking who were at the open meeting last week and the start of the meeting was all about getting the results.
They are an absolute farce and are doing more harm to juvenile football than any other outside influence out there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on August 17, 2009, 02:33:17 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 17, 2009, 02:11:42 PM
My usual Monday request - anybody have this week's East Down Fixtures?

East Down GAA Fixtures
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 18 League              
Date  Tuesday  18th  August Time 7.00pm              
U-18 Football League Section "A"              
     Kilcoo    v    Loughinisland    G Brannigan
     Bredagh    v    Carryduff    K O' Brien
U-18 Football League Section "B"              
     Cill Darrach    v    St, John's    P Stacey

Gerry Hynds Trophies Downpatrick         
Date  Wednesday 19th  August Time 7.00pm         
U-16  "A" Football Championship  Semi-final Venue    St. John's    
     Castlewellan    v    Kilcoo    G Tumelty
                    
Gerry Hynds Trophies Downpatrick         
Date  Thursday 20th  August              
U-14  "B" Football Championship  Semi-final Venue    Saul    
     St. Joseph's    v    Liatroim (7.00pm)    A Sharvin
                    
Date  Saturday 22nd  August  10.00am              
     Go Games              
Dundrum: St Josephs, Castlewellan & Teconnaught.    
(2 pitches, 2 teams per club)  Co ordinator Martin Walsh.    
                    
Bryansford: Bryansford, Downpatrick & Carryduff.    
(2 pitches, 2 teams per club)  Co ordinator Peter Travers.    
                    
Loughinisland: Loughinisland, St Pauls & Saul.         
(2 pitches, 2 teams per club) Co ordinator John Nugent.    
                    
St Johns: St Johns, Bredagh & Liatroim.              
(2 pitches, 2 teams per club) Co ordinator Gerard Magorrian    
                    
Annsborough: Aughlisnafinn, Drumaness, Kilcoo & Bright.    
(2 pitches, 1 team per club)  Co ordinator Brian Fegan.    
                    
Dromara: Dromara, Ardglass, Darragh Cross & Kilclief.    
2 pitches, 1 team per club)  Co ordinator Damian Drake.    
                    
Gerry Hynds Trophies Downpatrick         
Date  Saturday 22nd  August              
U-14  "B" Football Championship  Semi-final Venue    Ballykinlar    
     Loughinisland    v    Cill Breactain (12.00pm)    C McAlinden
                    
U-14  "A" Football Championship  Semi-final Venue    Ballykinlar    
     Carryduff    v    Castlewellan (1.30pm)    P McCartan
     Bryansford    v    Bredagh (3.00pm)    E O' Hare
                    
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 14 League              
Date  Saturday 22nd  August 3.00pm              
     St. Paul's    v    Liatroim    E Mulvenna

Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 12 League              
Date Sunday 23rd  August  Time 12.30pm              
U-12 Football League Section "B"    
     Round. Seventeen              
     Saul    v    Liatroim    M Brady
     Carryduff    v    Loughinisland    G Burns
     Dromara    v    Ardglass    C McMullan
     Cill Darach    v    St. John's    M mcnulty

Quoile Tile & Bathroom Centre              
Date Monday 24th  August Time 7.00pm              
Reserve Football League              
Section A1              
     Round Fourteen              
     Dundrum    v    Castlewellan    M Rawlinson
     Drumaness    v    Bryansford    P McCartan
     St. John's    v    Liatroim    D Laverty
     Teconnaught    v    Kilcoo    J Magennis

Section A2              
     Round Fourteen              
     Darragh Cross    v    Bredagh    F Holland
     Saul    v    Bright    J McMullan
     Carryduff    v    St. Paul's    E Mulvenna
     Ardglass    v    Kilclief    M Curran

BTW Good Luck against the Ardglass lads in the IFC  :)                    
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 17, 2009, 02:34:01 PM
Quote from: norabeag on August 17, 2009, 02:29:14 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 17, 2009, 02:15:51 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 17, 2009, 02:11:42 PM
My usual Monday request - anybody have this week's East Down Fixtures?

The way that East Down is being run, I wouldn't be surprised if the East Down board didn't have them either.
Dont jest to much as the fact is that they do not know all the results for this year never mind the fixtures for this week.
I heard some of the guys talking who were at the open meeting last week and the start of the meeting was all about getting the results.
They are an absolute farce and are doing more harm to juvenile football than any other outside influence out there

My point exactly, or should I say one of them, I know they all give of their free time etc but the incompetence they have shown is laughable at times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 17, 2009, 02:45:37 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on August 17, 2009, 02:33:17 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 17, 2009, 02:11:42 PM
My usual Monday request - anybody have this week's East Down Fixtures?

East Down GAA Fixtures
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 18 League              
Date  Tuesday  18th  August Time 7.00pm              
U-18 Football League Section "A"              
     Kilcoo    v    Loughinisland    G Brannigan
     Bredagh    v    Carryduff    K O' Brien
U-18 Football League Section "B"              
     Cill Darrach    v    St, John's    P Stacey

Gerry Hynds Trophies Downpatrick         
Date  Wednesday 19th  August Time 7.00pm         
U-16  "A" Football Championship  Semi-final Venue    St. John's    
     Castlewellan    v    Kilcoo    G Tumelty
                    
Gerry Hynds Trophies Downpatrick         
Date  Thursday 20th  August              
U-14  "B" Football Championship  Semi-final Venue    Saul    
     St. Joseph's    v    Liatroim (7.00pm)    A Sharvin
                    
Date  Saturday 22nd  August  10.00am              
     Go Games              
Dundrum: St Josephs, Castlewellan & Teconnaught.    
(2 pitches, 2 teams per club)  Co ordinator Martin Walsh.    
                    
Bryansford: Bryansford, Downpatrick & Carryduff.    
(2 pitches, 2 teams per club)  Co ordinator Peter Travers.    
                    
Loughinisland: Loughinisland, St Pauls & Saul.         
(2 pitches, 2 teams per club) Co ordinator John Nugent.    
                    
St Johns: St Johns, Bredagh & Liatroim.              
(2 pitches, 2 teams per club) Co ordinator Gerard Magorrian    
                    
Annsborough: Aughlisnafinn, Drumaness, Kilcoo & Bright.    
(2 pitches, 1 team per club)  Co ordinator Brian Fegan.    
                    
Dromara: Dromara, Ardglass, Darragh Cross & Kilclief.    
2 pitches, 1 team per club)  Co ordinator Damian Drake.    
                    
Gerry Hynds Trophies Downpatrick         
Date  Saturday 22nd  August              
U-14  "B" Football Championship  Semi-final Venue    Ballykinlar    
     Loughinisland    v    Cill Breactain (12.00pm)    C McAlinden
                    
U-14  "A" Football Championship  Semi-final Venue    Ballykinlar    
     Carryduff    v    Castlewellan (1.30pm)    P McCartan
     Bryansford    v    Bredagh (3.00pm)    E O' Hare
                    
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 14 League              
Date  Saturday 22nd  August 3.00pm              
     St. Paul's    v    Liatroim    E Mulvenna

Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 12 League              
Date Sunday 23rd  August  Time 12.30pm              
U-12 Football League Section "B"    
     Round. Seventeen              
     Saul    v    Liatroim    M Brady
     Carryduff    v    Loughinisland    G Burns
     Dromara    v    Ardglass    C McMullan
     Cill Darach    v    St. John's    M mcnulty

Quoile Tile & Bathroom Centre              
Date Monday 24th  August Time 7.00pm              
Reserve Football League              
Section A1              
     Round Fourteen              
     Dundrum    v    Castlewellan    M Rawlinson
     Drumaness    v    Bryansford    P McCartan
     St. John's    v    Liatroim    D Laverty
     Teconnaught    v    Kilcoo    J Magennis

Section A2              
     Round Fourteen              
     Darragh Cross    v    Bredagh    F Holland
     Saul    v    Bright    J McMullan
     Carryduff    v    St. Paul's    E Mulvenna
     Ardglass    v    Kilclief    M Curran

BTW Good Luck against the Ardglass lads in the IFC  :)                    

Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 17, 2009, 03:59:39 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 17, 2009, 04:29:44 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 17, 2009, 02:34:01 PM
Quote from: norabeag on August 17, 2009, 02:29:14 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 17, 2009, 02:15:51 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 17, 2009, 02:11:42 PM
My usual Monday request - anybody have this week's East Down Fixtures?

The way that East Down is being run, I wouldn't be surprised if the East Down board didn't have them either.
Dont jest to much as the fact is that they do not know all the results for this year never mind the fixtures for this week.
I heard some of the guys talking who were at the open meeting last week and the start of the meeting was all about getting the results.
They are an absolute farce and are doing more harm to juvenile football than any other outside influence out there

My point exactly, or should I say one of them, I know they all give of their free time etc but the incompetence they have shown is laughable at times.
Laughable it maybe but as a parent of a couple of boys who also play other sports it frightens me when they see whats is going on.
The clubs as a rule are all well organised but the administration in East Down well, just look at the officers
No U12 games at all summer, U 16 & Minors played the whole way thru the GCSEs ( I know this was Youith Board remit as well)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on August 17, 2009, 04:41:50 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 17, 2009, 10:35:24 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 17, 2009, 08:20:29 AM
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 17, 2009, 01:03:52 AM



Newry Democrat Intermediate Hurling Championship

Wed 19th Aug
Downpatrick 6 45
Liatroim v Kilclief

Liatroim would be favourites here but Growler has Kilclief going well so i wouldn't be surprised if they won this one and go on to win the competition outright.

Newry Democrat Intermediate Hurling Championship

Sun 23rd Aug
Castlewellan 4 45
Bredagh v Ballela

Haven't seen Bredagh this year but if you want to beat Ballela keep the ball out the wings as they're failry strong up the middle but somewhat lacking out wide especially in their forwards.

Newry Democrat Junior Hurling Championship

Wed 19th Aug
Ballela 6 45
Ballyvarley v Castlewellan
Ballyvarley are probably the pick of the junior clubs and should take this one but won't have it all their own way.

Newry Democrat Junior Hurling Championship
Sun 23rd Aug
Castlwellan 3 00
Carryduff v Warrenpoint

The point first team should have too much for a learning Carryduff.
doubt kilclief have the legs to stick with liatrom never mind beat them. Dont know what the hell has happened to bredagh this year: to much interest in antrim maybe? Never thought i'd say this but can see ballela makin it to the final this year. In the junior i wouldn be suprised if castlewellan catch ballyvarley out on wed nite. Prob the slowest team in down hurling and will be stretched to the limit in the wide open spaces of ballela. Jesus if warrenpoint dont win it this year they never will!!        Any body know wat the craic is with newry droppin out?? lecale?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 17, 2009, 05:08:36 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 17, 2009, 05:22:38 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 17, 2009, 05:23:10 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on August 17, 2009, 05:58:09 PM
Am i the only one on here who fancies Bosco to beat Glenn?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 17, 2009, 09:25:21 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on August 17, 2009, 05:58:09 PM
Am i the only one on here who fancies Bosco to beat Glenn?
Although Bosco are unbeaten all year playing division 4 all year will do them no good what so ever. To be fair Glenn are probably the best team we have faced this year in division 3. Though it is a local derby and I see the Bosco have some of their more experienced players back. Think there won't be much in it but Glenn's experience of tight games this year will see them through. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on August 17, 2009, 09:28:08 PM
Were Kilclief playing tonight? Any result??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on August 17, 2009, 09:32:49 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo  :o
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 17, 2009, 09:35:19 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on August 17, 2009, 09:28:08 PM
Were Kilclief playing tonight? Any result??

Down website not working for me. Results are usually up on it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on August 17, 2009, 10:10:55 PM
website is still down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 17, 2009, 10:17:29 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on August 17, 2009, 05:58:09 PM
Am i the only one on here who fancies Bosco to beat Glenn?

Nope.  I also think Bosco will pull off that old town hodoo over Glen even thongh Glen are a much better side
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on August 17, 2009, 10:30:58 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on August 17, 2009, 10:17:29 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on August 17, 2009, 05:58:09 PM
Am i the only one on here who fancies Bosco to beat Glenn?

Nope.  I also think Bosco will pull off that old town hodoo over Glen even thongh Glen are a much better side


Really couldnt see it, if Glenn play against bosco the same way the did against us in the 1st round dont think Bosco will get close!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 17, 2009, 11:09:48 PM
QuoteWere Kilclief playing tonight? Any result??

No game.  Shamrocks got the game put back AGAIN.

Probably no bad thing for us after the tanking the RGU gave us on Friday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 17, 2009, 11:17:21 PM
Will the comments on here regarding the lingo of your supporters in the last round be relayed to the Kilclief faithful for the Attical game No1?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 17, 2009, 11:24:32 PM
Any foul mouthedness from Kilclief's support in round one was both understandable and acceptable, for after all it was the Shamrocks they were playing.

Seriously though, Kilclief's support are not a patch on the likes of Longstone or Downpatrick for aggression and foul mouthedness. At most clubs there are just a couple of indviduals responsible for most of the bad name, but not there.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 17, 2009, 11:49:16 PM
QuoteWill the comments on here regarding the lingo of your supporters in the last round be relayed to the Kilclief faithful for the Attical game No1?

I wasn't in the country for that particular game so that's why I didn't comment.  It was a shame to hear about it, especially when the club is currently running a "Respect" campaign. 

There are a few lads who follow us that you couldn't take to the spuds, they are serial offenders and constantly let themselves down.  However, what do you expect from a pig but a grunt? 

I think it is unfair to blame the club for the behaviour of a few empty hoors.  It's no excuse but by all accounts the behaviour of the Shamrocks players in the second half contributed greatly to the horrible atmosphere.

I'd agree with wobbler aswell, there are plenty of supporters around the county much worse than ours and in greater numbers.  Ever been to Ardtole?  :o

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 18, 2009, 12:15:47 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 17, 2009, 11:24:32 PM
Any foul mouthedness from Kilclief's support in round one was both understandable and acceptable, for after all it was the Shamrocks they were playing.

Seriously though, Kilclief's support are not a patch on the likes of Longstone or Downpatrick for aggression and foul mouthedness. At most clubs there are just a couple of indviduals responsible for most of the bad name, but not there.
Shocked :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 18, 2009, 12:20:10 AM
Good Old Days!!

1981 Senior Football final in Newcastle.

Burren 0.11  Saval 0.11
Replay; Burren 1.10 Saval 2.6

Burren's team in drawn game.
Declan Murdock;
Seamus Murdock, Frankie McGovern, Gerard Murdock;
Kieran McConville, Pat Murtagh, Willie McMahon;
Paddy O'Rouke, Tommy McGovern;
Pat McKay, Brendan McGovern, Jim McGreevey;
John (shorty) Treanor, Seamus (buster) Fegan, Vincent McGovern.

One of the subs, Frank (Mitchell) McClorey.

Saval's team
Paddy McAvoy (bosco manager)
Gerry McCarthy, Francis Dobbins, Johnny Murtagh;
Raymond Cull, Mick McCarthy, Charlie Cunningham;
Seamus Sands, Cathal Digney;
Gerry Quinn, Frank Digney, Mick Sands;
Damian Digney, Jarlath Digney, Donal Dobbins.

Saval at that time was the 'Cinderella club of Down' they played delightful fast open football with Cathal Digney as one of outstanding player in Ireland. In the replay, Saval put up a brave fight but they lost Cathal Digney to a heavy robust tackle in replay game and they also lost Donal Dobbins before replay through being injured.

Will Saval get their revenge this Friday???


That was Burren's 2nd Senior title.. Their first was in 1966.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 18, 2009, 08:55:37 AM
Hardly a robust tackle umpire, more like an act of dirt by a burren team that had set out to do one thing that day, take cathal digney out of the game. watch the game this friday night no doubt they'll be tryin to do the same again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on August 18, 2009, 09:32:51 AM
No. 1 --

How many times have Shamrocks got that game put back? And what were / are their reasons??

Seems like no other club couldget away with that amount of postponments
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 18, 2009, 09:59:12 AM
Second time they have got it put back. 

No reason given, the county board simply informed us it wasn't to be played. 

I couldn't see us getting the same leeway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 18, 2009, 10:09:08 AM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on August 18, 2009, 09:32:51 AM
No. 1 --

How many times have Shamrocks got that game put back? And what were / are their reasons??

Seems like no other club couldget away with that amount of postponments


SWINE Flu.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 18, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
ACPRL Division 2:
Bredagh 1-9, Warrenpoint 0-11, Venue: Bredagh, ;
Carryduff 2-15, Annaclone 2-9, Venue: Carryduff, ;
Tullylish 0-11, Saval 0-11, Venue: Tullylish, ;
Longstone 0-5, Downpatrick 0-0, Venue: Longstone, ; - is this for real?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 18, 2009, 03:29:05 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on August 18, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
ACPRL Division 2:
Bredagh 1-9, Warrenpoint 0-11, Venue: Bredagh, ;
Carryduff 2-15, Annaclone 2-9, Venue: Carryduff, ;
Tullylish 0-11, Saval 0-11, Venue: Tullylish, ;
Longstone 0-5, Downpatrick 0-0, Venue: Longstone, ; - is this for real?

this is more likely than not that Downpatrick failed to field as they did again us this year and the same scoreline was printed for that match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 18, 2009, 03:49:37 PM
Or maybe the Stone decided to defend their lead? ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 18, 2009, 04:24:08 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on August 18, 2009, 05:34:28 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v   Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 18, 2009, 06:16:15 PM
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v   Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on August 18, 2009, 08:24:08 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v   Loughinisland
Mayobridge   v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 18, 2009, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 17, 2009, 11:24:32 PM
Any foul mouthedness from Kilclief's support in round one was both understandable and acceptable, for after all it was the Shamrocks they were playing.

Seriously though, Kilclief's support are not a patch on the likes of Longstone or Downpatrick for aggression and foul mouthedness. At most clubs there are just a couple of indviduals responsible for most of the bad name, but not there.
What you basing this on Wobbler?
Is there history between you and RGU.Dont find them as bad as a few of your neighbours.
In fairness to Kilclief there was not much foul language from them on Friday. Dumbstruck more like I hear.
Some of the mates were telling me that Kilclief came in with ghetto blaster booming from the changing rooms, barged their way into a group of DPK players warming up and then played like a U 12 girls team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 18, 2009, 08:53:03 PM
QuoteIn fairness to Kilclief there was not much foul language from them on Friday. Dumbstruck more like I hear.
Some of the mates were telling me that Kilclief came in with ghetto blaster booming from the changing rooms, barged their way into a group of DPK players warming up and then played like a U 12 girls team.

That would be a fair enough summary.  Congratulations to your club on a fine victory.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 18, 2009, 09:09:51 PM
Quote from: No1 on August 18, 2009, 08:53:03 PM
QuoteIn fairness to Kilclief there was not much foul language from them on Friday. Dumbstruck more like I hear.
Some of the mates were telling me that Kilclief came in with ghetto blaster booming from the changing rooms, barged their way into a group of DPK players warming up and then played like a U 12 girls team.

That would be a fair enough summary.  Congratulations to your club on a fine victory.
We actually got hammered on Friday for the record
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 18, 2009, 09:15:48 PM
Fair enough, know the feeling!   ;D

Attical V Kilclief in the IFC has been changed to Tuesday night in Dundrum. 

I assume to give our dual players an extra couple of days after tomorrow nights hurling game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 18, 2009, 10:47:10 PM
Miss Mess,

Nearly all your selection are in bold.
Please try again.


Dundroma

Your last 2 selections are all in bold
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 18, 2009, 11:44:26 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 18, 2009, 08:55:37 AM
Hardly a robust tackle umpire, more like an act of dirt by a burren team that had set out to do one thing that day, take cathal digney out of the game. watch the game this friday night no doubt they'll be tryin to do the same again.

I doubt they will try the same this friday night, cathal digney hung up the boots years ago!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 19, 2009, 12:15:23 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 18, 2009, 11:44:26 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 18, 2009, 08:55:37 AM
Hardly a robust tackle umpire, more like an act of dirt by a burren team that had set out to do one thing that day, take cathal digney out of the game. watch the game this friday night no doubt they'll be tryin to do the same again.

I doubt they will try the same this friday night, cathal digney hung up the boots years ago!

Very good stiff breeze  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 19, 2009, 12:44:10 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 18, 2009, 11:44:26 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 18, 2009, 08:55:37 AM
Hardly a robust tackle umpire, more like an act of dirt by a burren team that had set out to do one thing that day, take cathal digney out of the game. watch the game this friday night no doubt they'll be tryin to do the same again.

I doubt they will try the same this friday night, cathal digney hung up the boots years ago!

pretty smart eh? ya know wat i meant like!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 19, 2009, 02:27:34 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 19, 2009, 12:44:10 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 18, 2009, 11:44:26 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 18, 2009, 08:55:37 AM
Hardly a robust tackle umpire, more like an act of dirt by a burren team that had set out to do one thing that day, take cathal digney out of the game. watch the game this friday night no doubt they'll be tryin to do the same again.

I doubt they will try the same this friday night, cathal digney hung up the boots years ago!

pretty smart eh? ya know wat i meant like!!!

Maybe they will have a go at rony instead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on August 19, 2009, 08:54:57 AM
Newry Democrat Intermediate Hurling Championship

Wed 19th Aug
Downpatrick 6 45
Liatroim v Kilclief

The winner of this semi will win the  IHC. Kilclief have got the act together under Growler (why did Ballygelget let him go?) and have had some impressive wins in the league. Liatroim beat Portaferry last week but hadnt a match for 6 weeks before. These two have met in the championship 4 years running and Liatroim won them all. I think Kilclief can turn in round this year - maybe after a replay.

Newry Democrat Intermediate Hurling Championship

Sun 23rd Aug
Castlewellan 4 45
Bredagh v Ballela

Ballela have a limeted squad but have been takin there hurling seriously this year. They played 8 or 9 matches in the South Antrim as well as a good run to the Ulster league final and the confidence is there. Bredagh have gone back this year. Danny Hughes is hard to replace and theyve leaked goals. They have some great young forwards but Ballela will sneak it by 2 pts IMO

Newry Democrat Junior Hurling Championship

Wed 19th Aug
Ballela 6 45
Ballyvarley v Castlewellan
Ballyvarley v Castlewellan is put back to 26th at 6.45 in Ballela. Castlewellan had a good win over Clonduff in their Ulster semi final on Monday but Ballyvarley are going really well in Div 2 and should win by 3 or 4 points.

Newry Democrat Junior Hurling Championship
Sun 23rd Aug
Castlwellan 3 00
Carryduff v Warrenpoint

Warrenpoint have been getting hindings in Div 1 but they really should win the JHC this year. This is Carryduff's first year and while theyve got better with each game theyre still a long way of competing with the Point. The point by 12.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 19, 2009, 11:17:26 AM
Quote from: Bacon on August 19, 2009, 08:54:57 AM

Newry Democrat Intermediate Hurling Championship

Wed 19th Aug
Downpatrick 6 45
Liatroim v Kilclief

The winner of this semi will win the  IHC. Kilclief have got the act together under Growler (why did Ballygelget let him go?) and have had some impressive wins in the league. Liatroim beat Portaferry last week but hadnt a match for 6 weeks before. These two have met in the championship 4 years running and Liatroim won them all. I think Kilclief can turn in round this year - maybe after a replay.

Newry Democrat Intermediate Hurling Championship

Sun 23rd Aug
Castlewellan 4 45
Bredagh v Ballela

Ballela have a limeted squad but have been takin there hurling seriously this year. They played 8 or 9 matches in the South Antrim as well as a good run to the Ulster league final and the confidence is there. Bredagh have gone back this year. Danny Hughes is hard to replace and theyve leaked goals. They have some great young forwards but Ballela will sneak it by 2 pts IMO

Newry Democrat Junior Hurling Championship

Wed 19th Aug
Ballela 6 45
Ballyvarley v Castlewellan
Ballyvarley v Castlewellan is put back to 25th at 6.45 in Ballela. Castlewellan had a good win over Clonduff in their Ulster semi final on Monday but Ballyvarley are going really well in Div 2 and should win by 3 or 4 points.

Newry Democrat Junior Hurling Championship
Sun 23rd Aug
Castlwellan 3 00
Carryduff v Warrenpoint

Warrenpoint have been getting hindings in Div 1 but they really should win the JHC this year. This is Carryduff's first year and while theyve got better with each game theyre still a long way of competing with the Point. The point by 12.

Probably not too far away there bacon as I'd agree with you on most predictions there. Whoever wins the Liatroim, Kilclief game will take the intermediates and Ballyvarley will take the juniors.
The biggest pity is the withdrawal of Newry, what is going on down there as they haven't seemed to have fulfilled a fixture in the better part of a month? Any idea?

As for Growler, even Jesus found it hard to be a prophet in his own land  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on August 19, 2009, 11:35:26 AM
I don't know much about whats going on in Newry. I know they didn't field in Ballela and Kilclief and hadn't the manners to make a phone call.

I reckon they are struggling for numbers and if a few lads are injured theyre stuffed. They havent many minors or u16s coming through either so it could be a while before they are in better shape.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on August 19, 2009, 11:58:31 AM
re Shamrocks, I think Eoin Mc Guinness broke his collar bone in the football Championship last week as well as Artie being out injured the last month or so. They'v a limited squad and mustn't have fancied taking there chances against us after what went on before in the season.

Kilclief v Liatroim has the makings of a great game tonight. Kilclief are well enough balanced, have options on the bench and I doubt they'l be found wanting in the physical stakes. Liatroim by 2 and someone to see the line.

Bredagh by 20+ in the other semi. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 19, 2009, 12:30:55 PM
Any odds for this weekends championship matches?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 19, 2009, 12:32:10 PM
Growler has brought organisation and structure to Kilclief and is getting more out of the same butch of players. They've improved as the season has gone on and will put it up to Liatroim. It's a pity the game clashed with Ballycran v Ballygalget in the Antrim league. I would have liked to have been at both.

The other semi final between Bredagh and Ballela is too close to call in my opinion. I hope Bredagh have the fire power up front to out score Ballela but our defence will need to tighten up.

In the Juniors Ballyvarley are looking very good but Warrenpoint are still favorites in my book.

It's a pity Newry felt they had to pull out of the IHC. I believe they have lads doing exams as well as injuries. It a shame the match wasn't put back to accommodate them. With a full team they are very competitive at this level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on August 19, 2009, 12:54:17 PM
Quote from: dundroma on August 17, 2009, 10:19:58 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
]Aghaderg v ]St Pauls[/b
]Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn

sorry about that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on August 19, 2009, 12:57:00 PM
QuoteIt's a pity Newry felt they had to pull out of the IHC. I believe they have lads doing exams as well as injuries. It a shame the match wasn't put back to accommodate them. With a full team they are very competitive at this level.

I'd agree its a shame that Newry pulled out of the Championship but I dont think it should have been moved back to accomodate them. If lads have long term injuries theres nothing can be done about it. As for pandering to students who've failed exams, they make the choice the days they sit all day in the pub and and ly on in bed instead of going to  9 o clock classses, I should know im one of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 19, 2009, 01:25:26 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on August 19, 2009, 12:57:00 PM
QuoteIt's a pity Newry felt they had to pull out of the IHC. I believe they have lads doing exams as well as injuries. It a shame the match wasn't put back to accommodate them. With a full team they are very competitive at this level.

I'd agree its a shame that Newry pulled out of the Championship but I dont think it should have been moved back to accomodate them. If lads have long term injuries theres nothing can be done about it. As for pandering to students who've failed exams, they make the choice the days they sit all day in the pub and and ly on in bed instead of going to  9 o clock classses, I should know im one of them.

I find it a bit surprising that that Newry took the decision to deprive 20 odd other hurlers championship hurling because two or three of their better hurlers are out either through injury or exams. It seems a bit of a short sighted policy and detrimental to the development of any up and coming hurlers just because you are less likely to win!! If you can gather up 15, get them out there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on August 19, 2009, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 19, 2009, 12:32:10 PM
Growler has brought organisation and structure to Kilclief and is getting more out of the same butch of players. They've improved as the season has gone on and will put it up to Liatroim. It's a pity the game clashed with Ballycran v Ballygalget in the Antrim league. I would have liked to have been at both.

The other semi final between Bredagh and Ballela is too close to call in my opinion. I hope Bredagh have the fire power up front to out score Ballela but our defence will need to tighten up.

In the Juniors Ballyvarley are looking very good but Warrenpoint are still favorites in my book.

It's a pity Newry felt they had to pull out of the IHC. I believe they have lads doing exams as well as injuries. It a shame the match wasn't put back to accommodate them. With a full team they are very competitive at this level.

think ballela could be a dark horse for the intermediate this year: they've played the guts of thirty odd matches this year through ulster league and south antrim thus they'll have had plenty of hard hittin hurling. however fitness could catch them out in the forward line especially.


cant see ballyvarley winning the junior this year; terribly slow team all over the field and only do well when they bring other teams down to their own level. i would be surprised if castlewellan catch them out in ballela.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 19, 2009, 01:50:39 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 19, 2009, 01:52:52 PM
Did Ardglass v drumgath not go ahead in div 3 monday night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 19, 2009, 04:32:44 PM
i heard the referees meeting on Monday night descended into a farce with an argument about expenses. a lot of the refs want the match fee put up to £30 from £20


what a bunch of clowns!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: county colours on August 19, 2009, 04:52:28 PM
Yes Maldini, I was at the meeting and it just served to highlight why the standard of refereeing in the county is so low. The agenda of the meeting was to clarify certain rules etc, but as always certain refs brought up the topic of expenses at the earliest opportunity and thus this dominated the rest of the meeting.

Some of these men dont care about refereeing standards and are only thinking of how big their expenses cheque can be at the end of the year. I dont want to condemn all refs cos we do have some top class refs in the county, however, a lot of them are simply miserable men seeking expenses!!

>:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on August 19, 2009, 09:49:42 PM
any word on how liatrom vs kilclief and or cran's vs galgets went?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 19, 2009, 10:46:34 PM
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v   Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football

Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football

Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 19, 2009, 11:25:37 PM
SFC

BURREN v Saval,
AN RIOCHT v Loughinisland
MAYOBRIDGE v Kilcoo
CLONDUFF v Liatriom

IFC

Ardglass v DUDRUM
Ballymartin v GLASDRUMMAN
ATTICAL v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v DOWNPATRICK

JFC

Ballykinlar v TECONNAUGHT
Ardglass v DUNDRUM
Bright v DROMARA
Bosco v GLENN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 19, 2009, 11:41:32 PM
Quoteany word on how liatrom vs kilclief and or cran's vs galgets went?

Kilclief were beaten by 6.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 20, 2009, 12:38:45 AM
Hurling results:

IHC
Liatroim 4-13 3-10 Kilclief

Div 1
Ballycran 0-11 2-8 Ballygalget

Res
Ballycran 2-06 2-04 Ballygalget
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 02:12:58 AM
I see and hear jamie o'reilly has signed a 3 year contract with the richmond tigers.  congratulations to him and good luck.  Big miss for loughinisland and down, a great talent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downexile1 on August 20, 2009, 10:49:29 AM
any reports on liatriom kilclief,, good high scoring game,,must of been bad conditions though??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 20, 2009, 12:05:08 PM
can someone post the odds for this weekends Championship games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on August 20, 2009, 12:27:57 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 02:12:58 AM
I see and hear jamie o'reilly has signed a 3 year contract with the richmond tigers.  congratulations to him and good luck.  Big miss for loughinisland and down, a great talent.

You've seen and heard wrong, the lad hasnt signed anything. Been offered a contract though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 20, 2009, 12:46:35 PM
2/5 Burren  v   Saval 2/1
1/3 Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo  9/4
4/6 An Riocht  v  Loughinisland 5/4
4/7 Clonduff  v  Liatroim  6/4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 20, 2009, 12:50:46 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 02:12:58 AM
I see and hear jamie o'reilly has signed a 3 year contract with the richmond tigers.  congratulations to him and good luck.  Big miss for loughinisland and down, a great talent.


well it was on the richmond tigers website last night.  RICHMOND TIGERS HAVE SIGNED THERE FIRST IRISH NFL PLAYER, AND A QUOTE FROM JAMIE SAYING ''IM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT AND HE WILL JOI UP WITH THE TEAM FOR THE 09/10 SEASON''.  thats what was the headlines anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on August 20, 2009, 01:22:11 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 02:12:58 AM
I see and hear jamie o'reilly has signed a 3 year contract with the richmond tigers.  congratulations to him and good luck.  Big miss for loughinisland and down, a great talent.


well it was on the richmond tigers website last night.  RICHMOND TIGERS HAVE SIGNED THERE FIRST IRISH NFL PLAYER, AND A QUOTE FROM JAMIE SAYING ''IM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT AND HE WILL JOI UP WITH THE TEAM FOR THE 09/10 SEASON''.  thats what was the headlines anyway.

Nah thats lies, he hasnt put pen to paper
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on August 20, 2009, 01:28:26 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 02:12:58 AM
I see and hear jamie o'reilly has signed a 3 year contract with the richmond tigers.  congratulations to him and good luck.  Big miss for loughinisland and down, a great talent.


well it was on the richmond tigers website last night.  RICHMOND TIGERS HAVE SIGNED THERE FIRST IRISH NFL PLAYER, AND A QUOTE FROM JAMIE SAYING ''IM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT AND HE WILL JOI UP WITH THE TEAM FOR THE 09/10 SEASON''.  thats what was the headlines anyway.

does the AFL season not run from about March to September every year so next season would be 2010 season, not 09/10 as for soccer?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on August 20, 2009, 01:44:16 PM
Is Martin Clarke still getting on for Collingwood? the last few times I've watched the highlights programme on RTE there has been no mention of him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 20, 2009, 01:51:21 PM
I have heard Martin Clarke is coming home in Novermber for good, does this anyone know if this true, or if it is idle talk?  When does his contract expire?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on August 20, 2009, 01:59:57 PM
There are always rumours circulating that he is coming home, probably bolstered by the fact that he has been dropped by Collingwood at the minute. It would be great to see him playing for Down, but that wont happen while he has a professional contract.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 20, 2009, 02:09:25 PM
Are the Island ones on this page refusing to believe that they could ever lose a player to another club??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lroberts680 on August 20, 2009, 02:33:37 PM

Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass  v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lroberts680 on August 20, 2009, 02:39:01 PM
Does anyon know where the U16 Championship semi's are taking place and is there a minor hurling shield competition?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 20, 2009, 02:48:47 PM
Quote from: lroberts680 on August 20, 2009, 02:39:01 PM
Does anyon know where the U16 Championship semi's are taking place and is there a minor hurling shield competition?

Is that different to the B championship which I think Bredagh and Warrenpoint are to contest?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 20, 2009, 02:49:47 PM
Quote from: lroberts680 on August 20, 2009, 02:39:01 PM
Does anyon know where the U16 Championship semi's are taking place and is there a minor hurling shield competition?
Bredagh play this Sunday in Castlewellan v Ballela, not sure about the other semi or the minor shield
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on August 20, 2009, 03:33:00 PM
Quote from: maldini on August 20, 2009, 02:09:25 PM
Are the Island ones on this page refusing to believe that they could ever lose a player to another club??

No quite the opposite, it looks like he's def going to sign but he just hasnt signed yet. Was just correcting a fellow poster ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 20, 2009, 03:47:31 PM
Quote from: lroberts680 on August 20, 2009, 02:39:01 PM
Does anyon know where the U16 Championship semi's are taking place and is there a minor hurling shield competition?

In u16 semi final Bredagh play Castlewellan in Castlewellan at 6.30pm on Sunday. Will you be playing Iroberts680?  There is no minor shield competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lroberts680 on August 20, 2009, 04:44:49 PM
Yeah, there was a bit of doubt of when and where and what time the match would take place due to matches earlier on in the day and the senior championship game being postponed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 20, 2009, 05:07:58 PM
Prediction league,

Miss Mess
Please re enter your selections.

Mourne Rover
Aghaderg v St Pauls ??

Square Ball
Bright v Dromara ??


T O'Hare

You could put £10 on your 4 selectons in Senior and get a handy £225 returns!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 20, 2009, 05:41:40 PM
Bright v Dromara

cheers umpire
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 05:49:52 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 20, 2009, 01:22:11 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 02:12:58 AM
I see and hear jamie o'reilly has signed a 3 year contract with the richmond tigers.  congratulations to him and good luck.  Big miss for loughinisland and down, a great talent.


well it was on the richmond tigers website last night.  RICHMOND TIGERS HAVE SIGNED THERE FIRST IRISH NFL PLAYER, AND A QUOTE FROM JAMIE SAYING ''IM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT AND HE WILL JOI UP WITH THE TEAM FOR THE 09/10 SEASON''.  thats what was the headlines anyway.

Nah thats lies, he hasnt put pen to paper




http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:WKGWGia8vxoJ:www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/82750/default.aspx+jamie+o%27reilly+richmond+tigers&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 20, 2009, 05:53:12 PM
Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v Liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on August 20, 2009, 06:10:51 PM

Senior Football
Burren v Saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross  v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 20, 2009, 06:28:07 PM
Senior Football
Burren v saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross  v Downpatrick

Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 20, 2009, 06:55:56 PM
Senior Football
Burren v saval
An Riocht v  Loughinisland
Mayobridge  v  Kilcoo
Clonduff v liatriom

Intermediate Football
Ardglass v Dundrum
Ballymartin v Glasdrumman
Attical v Kilclief
Darragh Cross  v Downpatrick
Junior Football
Ballykinlar v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v St Pauls
Bright v Dromara
St John Bosco v Glenn
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 20, 2009, 08:35:41 PM
For all youse folks going to the Burren Saval game tomorrow night don't forget to call into the Harps club after for one (or 2 or 3) of the best pints of stout around......you might even get to meet the Wobbler!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 20, 2009, 08:37:00 PM
Ardglass beat Dundrum in intermediate in Downpatrick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 20, 2009, 08:42:21 PM
Sorry Umpire - St Paul's to beat Aghaderg.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lroberts680 on August 20, 2009, 08:44:01 PM
Any scores for the Minor B Hurling Championship Final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 20, 2009, 09:12:14 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 20, 2009, 08:37:00 PM
Ardglass beat Dundrum in intermediate in Downpatrick.

5-8 to 1-13.
Gutted real chance to make an intermediate semi for the first time since early 90s gone. Make a point never to criticise refs on this so I will stop typing.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 20, 2009, 09:17:57 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 20, 2009, 09:12:14 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 20, 2009, 08:37:00 PM
Ardglass beat Dundrum in intermediate in Downpatrick.

5-8 to 1-13.
Gutted real chance to make an intermediate semi for the first time since early 90s gone. Make a point never to criticise refs on this so I will stop typing.....

Ardglass hit three goals in a row midway through the 2nd half after we had taken a three point lead ourselves.

They held out well and their defence kept out 2 or 3 of our goal chances near the end.

We probably had the more possession during the game but their soccer instinct in finding the net guided them home.

To be honest, when you concede 5 goals you don't really deserve to win a Championship game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 20, 2009, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 20, 2009, 09:12:14 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 20, 2009, 08:37:00 PM
Ardglass beat Dundrum in intermediate in Downpatrick.


5-8 to 1-13.
Gutted real chance to make an intermediate semi for the first time since early 90s gone. Make a point never to criticise refs on this so I will stop typing.....
I'll do it for you, Dundrumite. What went on there in the first half was an absolute disgrace. O'Hanlon should hang his head in shame at his performance. Why did he bring umpires with him if they never once alerted him to the carry on.
Ardglass too physically strong for you in the end though as your heads went down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 20, 2009, 09:20:48 PM
Anyone know the result from the Mourne derby between Ballymartin v Glasdrumman?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on August 20, 2009, 09:26:36 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 05:49:52 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 20, 2009, 01:22:11 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 02:12:58 AM
I see and hear jamie o'reilly has signed a 3 year contract with the richmond tigers.  congratulations to him and good luck.  Big miss for loughinisland and down, a great talent.


well it was on the richmond tigers website last night.  RICHMOND TIGERS HAVE SIGNED THERE FIRST IRISH NFL PLAYER, AND A QUOTE FROM JAMIE SAYING ''IM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT AND HE WILL JOI UP WITH THE TEAM FOR THE 09/10 SEASON''.  thats what was the headlines anyway.

Nah thats lies, he hasnt put pen to paper




http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:WKGWGia8vxoJ:www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/82750/default.aspx+jamie+o%27reilly+richmond+tigers&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

Dont believe that, he hasn't signed a contract yet. Read the irish News tomorrow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 20, 2009, 09:34:51 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on August 20, 2009, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 20, 2009, 09:12:14 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 20, 2009, 08:37:00 PM
Ardglass beat Dundrum in intermediate in Downpatrick.


5-8 to 1-13.
Gutted real chance to make an intermediate semi for the first time since early 90s gone. Make a point never to criticise refs on this so I will stop typing.....
I'll do it for you, Dundrumite. What went on there in the first half was an absolute disgrace. O'Hanlon should hang his head in shame at his performance. Why did he bring umpires with him if they never once alerted him to the carry on.
Ardglass too physically strong for you in the end though as your heads went down

Agreed but it was happening right in front of him regardless of having umpires, literally speechless at it. DF right 100% in terms of goals winning games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 20, 2009, 10:40:06 PM
Just after hearing Ballymartin beat Glasdrumman by 5 tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 20, 2009, 11:25:22 PM
Prediction league,

51 have entered the quarter final selections.
Only 15 choose both Ardglass and Ballymartin to win

Bacon is outright leader on 18 with DownFanatic, Johnnie99 and BRIDGE LAD on 17
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 20, 2009, 11:48:47 PM
Hopefully next Tues

i'll throw up predition league on Quarter finals  and overall league so its an interest to those who have not enter in the first round.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on August 20, 2009, 11:59:32 PM
was at the mourne derby tonight and not much to talk about. ballymartin got off to a great start 4up before glasdrumman could win a ball, but they let glasdrumman back into the game with some sloppy play and led by 2 at the half. the game was close enough in the 2nd half until harrisson was sent off for double yellow. ballymartin tagged on 3 more points to probably run out deserved winners by 5. the maestro himself mr derek davis was at the game and even he could not lift them to glory this time. not much of a derby edge to the game. not that i condone any breaking of the rules or off the ball stuff but there wasnt a lot of niggle or bite in the game.

wish i had of went to rostrevor instead. i believe the large crowd in attendance witnessed a cracking u-14 semi replay between the reds and clonduff which went to extra time and rostrevor winning 2-16 to 4-7.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 21, 2009, 01:54:43 AM
Minor Hurling B Final

Bredagh 0-21 3-11 Warrenpoint

A Really tight match but Bredagh lead from start to finish and now face Ballygalget in the A semi final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 21, 2009, 02:20:42 AM
Quote from: umpire on August 20, 2009, 05:07:58 PM
Prediction league,

Miss Mess
Please re enter your selections.

Mourne Rover
Aghaderg v St Pauls ??

Square Ball
Bright v Dromara ??


T O'Hare

You could put £10 on your 4 selectons in Senior and get a handy £225 returns!!!!

My prediction are in hope more than anything.. I could not put Burren down to win :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on August 21, 2009, 10:44:05 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 21, 2009, 02:20:42 AM
Quote from: umpire on August 20, 2009, 05:07:58 PM
Prediction league,

Miss Mess
Please re enter your selections.

Mourne Rover
Aghaderg v St Pauls ??

Square Ball
Bright v Dromara ??


T O'Hare

You could put £10 on your 4 selectons in Senior and get a handy £225 returns!!!!

My prediction are in hope more than anything.. I could not put Burren down to win :D :D ;)

frig it, have a punt on them ohare, you've got little to lose and much to gain, i wud near do it myself..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 21, 2009, 11:35:12 AM
Ballymartin v Glassdrumman highlights are on the Down website

http://www.sportsmanager.ie/t11.php?userid=10&contentpage=1&id=1015&countyid=10&club_id=&sportid=1 (http://www.sportsmanager.ie/t11.php?userid=10&contentpage=1&id=1015&countyid=10&club_id=&sportid=1)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 21, 2009, 01:09:09 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 21, 2009, 02:20:42 AM
Quote from: umpire on August 20, 2009, 05:07:58 PM
Prediction league,

Miss Mess
Please re enter your selections.

Mourne Rover
Aghaderg v St Pauls ??

Square Ball
Bright v Dromara ??


T O'Hare

You could put £10 on your 4 selectons in Senior and get a handy £225 returns!!!!

My prediction are in hope more than anything.. I could not put Burren down to win :D :D ;)

I will do the bet later in town and if i win 225 i will donate £100 to the cystic fibrosis trust!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on August 21, 2009, 04:29:52 PM
Good MAN I hope you win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on August 21, 2009, 07:58:03 PM
What Saval vs Burren score? I heard it was a draw at halftime! ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on August 21, 2009, 08:50:51 PM
Just heard that burren won by a point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 21, 2009, 09:00:08 PM
Burren should thank Conn Reynolds for their 1-10 to 0-12 win. An absolutly shocking and biased refereeing performance. This man is a disgrace. Saval where far better team but Reynolds awarding handy frees to Burren and a goal which was clearly square ball gave Burren their win. Saval must feel very aggreived.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 21, 2009, 09:03:44 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 21, 2009, 01:09:09 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 21, 2009, 02:20:42 AM
Quote from: umpire on August 20, 2009, 05:07:58 PM
Prediction league,

Miss Mess
Please re enter your selections.

Mourne Rover
Aghaderg v St Pauls ??

Square Ball
Bright v Dromara ??


T O'Hare

You could put £10 on your 4 selectons in Senior and get a handy £225 returns!!!!

My prediction are in hope more than anything.. I could not put Burren down to win :D :D ;)

I will do the bet later in town and if i win 225 i will donate £100 to the cystic fibrosis trust!!!!!!

My bets is fecked but was lessened by the score i had on Saval +3.5 at even money!!!!
Saval will be kicking themselves after tonight, they had plenty of chances to win and conceded a slack goal!!!! Burren scored one point from play in the second half, the rest were from frees!!!!! Con Reynolds certainly gave Burren the 50/50 calls, Kevin McKernan will be a big miss for the semi after his tackle on Faloon which was just outside the small square!!!!
But i don't think they will ponder too much on their mistakes tonight as they are the first team to make the semi-final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downboy on August 21, 2009, 09:34:25 PM
Agree with you mid Down. Awful display by the ref. Think the only thing he got right was the sending off. Some of the close in frees he awarded for lifting of the ground etc were more than dubious. Saval will feel very aggreived alright.
Good game all the same although most of the better displays came from the defenders and midfields
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on August 21, 2009, 10:22:52 PM
A few observations from tonight's game

1.  As already stated the ref was very poor giving a lot if not all the marginal decisions to Burren and against Saval

2.  The ref did get the sending off correct. McKernan cynically rugby tackled the Saval player just outside the box when there was a chance of 2 on 1 for Saval.  But the tackle did probably save Burren from defeat.

3.  It was a good high intensity game with great tackling.

4.  There were about 1,500 people at the game. Minus the kids who did not pay in there were about 1,000 paying attendees. However there was absolutely no ticket system in place and therefore no way of validating the gate proceeds for the county board. What is to stop misappropriation of county funds here?? There must be a better more transparent way. Whenever cash is involved systems must be in place to ensure there is complete transparency.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on August 21, 2009, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 21, 2009, 09:00:08 PM
Burren should thank Conn Reynolds for their 1-10 to 0-12 win. An absolutly shocking and biased refereeing performance. This man is a disgrace. Saval where far better team but Reynolds awarding handy frees to Burren and a goal which was clearly square ball gave Burren their win. Saval must feel very aggreived.
I agree.  Only one point in it at the end, but more than one free points handed to Burren by the referee from incorrect decisions. 
Also, McKernan rugby tackle did save the day for Burren as it looked like a certain goal scoring opportunity. I doubt that Saval will see the red card as just punishment, no doubt they would have preferred the goal.  But those are the breaks...   
Saval were the better team and must feel very aggrieved indeed.
The ground was very heavy for the time of year, and with the smaller field, it made it a defenders game.  And there was some good tenacious defending.  And Dan McCartan did a good marking job on Danny Hughes.

Another, related issue.  There were to be at least 3 minutes of additional time to be played. But the red card incident took up the last of those minutes and the ref did not play another minute, thus denying Saval a last chance of equalising
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on August 21, 2009, 11:26:29 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 05:49:52 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 20, 2009, 01:22:11 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 02:12:58 AM
I see and hear jamie o'reilly has signed a 3 year contract with the richmond tigers.  congratulations to him and good luck.  Big miss for loughinisland and down, a great talent.


well it was on the richmond tigers website last night.  RICHMOND TIGERS HAVE SIGNED THERE FIRST IRISH NFL PLAYER, AND A QUOTE FROM JAMIE SAYING ''IM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT AND HE WILL JOI UP WITH THE TEAM FOR THE 09/10 SEASON''.  thats what was the headlines anyway.

Nah thats lies, he hasnt put pen to paper

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:WKGWGia8vxoJ:www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/82750/default.aspx+jamie+o%27reilly+richmond+tigers&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk
I read that article and I had to laugh at a quote from Jamie.  You can see were the Aussie interviewer didn't quite understand his accent and misquoted him saying "Ulster"   ;D

"Francis Jackson was over with the [player manager] Ricky Nixon [and his recruiting] group in Ireland looking at some Irish players. They happened to be attending the All-Star under-21 final in March time, between us and Armagh," he explained.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 21, 2009, 11:52:33 PM
Anyone have the teams for the two teams tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 22, 2009, 12:28:40 AM
Saval v Burren
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne_rUFxpdvU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne_rUFxpdvU)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 22, 2009, 12:44:34 AM
As a neural tonight I thought the ref did Saval no favours. I think he was the difference in Saval winning and losing.

Talking to a few Burren lads after the game and they admitted they got out of jail.


McKernan will be a big loss for them in the semi. He won the game for them with that tackle even though he will miss the semi.


Big bridge crew there tonight...I dont think they will lose any sleep tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 22, 2009, 12:48:23 AM
Observations from tonight's game at Ballyholland.

The standard of refereeing in this County is shambolic. Saval effectively had their fate decided by a clown who allowed one team (Burren) away with a lot more than their opponents. As a neutral I couldn't get over the amount of decisions that could be seen from the sideline to be incorrect & were acknowledged by both sides of the crowd. McAlinden got booked but was wrong player. In first half James McGovern fell on ball picked it up & was given a free because ref thought Saval man picked it on the floor.
This continued the whole night & anyone trying to vindicate his performance is much at fault as the ref!
Burren didn't play well at all. They rely on McKernan to pull the strings & by his standards he had a stinker tonight. They are vulnerable at Midfield. At the start of the second half Saval cleaned them out in this sector.
The County men on show apart from Hughes & Kearney were poor. Ciaran McGovern couldn't deal with Kearney & as stated McKernan struggled.

Saval looked a lot fitter in the last 10 mins. Burren seem to be reduced to cynical fouling to keep them away from the nets.
Also why didn't Saval introduce Paul Faloon sooner? he made an immediate impact but sometimes hindsight is a wonderful thing!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on August 22, 2009, 01:39:37 AM
QuoteAlso why didn't Saval introduce Paul Faloon sooner? he made an immediate impact but sometimes hindsight is a wonderful thing!
did faloon score?i watched their first round game with the town and i thought that he was rashly subbed at half time....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 22, 2009, 09:41:43 AM
Quote from: supersub on August 21, 2009, 11:52:33 PM
Anyone have the teams for the two teams tonight?

Burren - 1 M Rocks 2 R McGivern 3 P Mohan 4 Ryan McGovern 5 Chris McGovern 6 Ciaran McGovern 7 D McCartan 8 D Rooney 9 G McCartan 10 J McGovern (1-8) 11 K McKernan 12 E McGovern (0-1) 13 C McGovern 14 C Murdock (0-1) 19 A McArdle.

Subs used: P ORourke, PJ McAlinden, C Byrne and P Poland. (AND THEIR 16TH MAN CON REYNOLDS)

Saval - 1 P Murphy 2 M Clarke 3 D McCarthy 4 D Murphy 5 D Quinn 6 D Cunningham (0-2) 7 D Clarke 8 C Turley 9 P Turley 10 J McCarthy (0-2) 11 S Kearney (0-2) 19 M McCarthy 13 F McConnville 14 D Hughes (0-6) 15 N Devlin.

Subs used: G Quinn, P Faloon, C Lennon.

Both teams showed a large number off positional changes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 22, 2009, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 22, 2009, 12:44:34 AM
As a neural tonight I thought the ref did Saval no favours. I think he was the difference in Saval winning and losing.

Talking to a few Burren lads after the game and they admitted they got out of jail.


McKernan will be a big loss for them in the semi. He won the game for them with that tackle even though he will miss the semi.


Big bridge crew there tonight...I dont think they will lose any sleep tonight.

Hopefully they will loose sleep tomorrow night!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 22, 2009, 10:12:52 AM
Does anyone know why there are East Down reserve fixtures made for Monday night? The Down championship quarter finals draw to a conclusion on Monday and i thought Wednesday night would have made more sence to play these games.
Im sure many gaels will want to be in Newcastle to see Clonduff v Liatroim and hear the simi final draw after it. Typical East Down board. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 22, 2009, 10:41:56 AM
Absolute disgrace the refereeing performance last night. It was blatantly obvious when we went 2 points up on 2 occasions in the second half that the referee was awarding handy frees to let Burren back into it. Just a few observations from last night:

1. How can you award a yellow card and a 14 metre free against a man going for a 50/50 ball and winning it.

2. PJ McAlinden was wrongly booked for a third man tackle, it was Ciaran McGovern who made the challenge and he was already on a yellow. To amend for this the Referee didn't book PJ for a bad tackle about 10 mins later his exact words to Pj at the time where "I Wrongly booked you previously so your ok this time" Surely if he had known he was wrong he would have gone back and gave Ciaran McGovern his second yellow.

3. Our Full back got his tooth knocked out in a challenge and when he said this to the referee he moved the ball up for dissent to leave an easy scorable free.

4. When Daniel Hughes had that last free he asked the ref how long there was to go but the ref refused to tell him and any other player who approached. But when Damien Barton asked the ref replied 1 minute after the free is taken, yet when the Burren Keeper kicked the ball out the Ref blew for full-time.

Biased is not the word to describe Con Reynolds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 22, 2009, 10:58:12 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 22, 2009, 10:41:56 AM
Absolute disgrace the refereeing performance last night. It was blatantly obvious when we went 2 points up on 2 occasions in the second half that the referee was awarding handy frees to let Burren back into it. Just a few observations from last night:

1. How can you award a yellow card and a 14 metre free against a man going for a 50/50 ball and winning it.

2. PJ McAlinden was wrongly booked for a third man tackle, it was Ciaran McGovern who made the challenge and he was already on a yellow. To amend for this the Referee didn't book PJ for a bad tackle about 10 mins later his exact words to Pj at the time where "I Wrongly booked you previously so your ok this time" Surely if he had known he was wrong he would have gone back and gave Ciaran McGovern his second yellow.

3. Our Full back got his tooth knocked out in a challenge and when he said this to the referee he moved the ball up for dissent to leave an easy scorable free.

4. When Daniel Hughes had that last free he asked the ref how long there was to go but the ref refused to tell him and any other player who approached. But when Damien Barton asked the ref replied 1 minute after the free is taken, yet when the Burren Keeper kicked the ball out the Ref blew for full-time.

Biased is not the word to describe Con Reynolds.

I couldnt agree with you more meatsy. I was a neutral and couldnt believe what  i saw. i was sitting beside staunch Burren men and they admitted the referee won it for them. This man done my own club out off a minor championship last year when we led by 6 points against the bridge and he sent off one of our key players for nothing, who was later cleared, gave them a number off handy frees similar to last night and played five mins off injury time when there clearly wasnt. Its a disgrace players training hard all year to be put out off championship by a referee. Reynolds brings controversey everywhere he goes. Some off the yellow cards handed out in the first half where for nothing. I have great sympathy for Saval today as they are another team to suffer from Reynolds biased and unfair refereeing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aghdavoyle on August 22, 2009, 11:32:44 AM

knowing nothing about either team and looking at the highlights i don't see anything wrong with the burren goal anyway - apart from the bad goalkeeping.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 22, 2009, 11:50:08 AM
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on August 22, 2009, 11:32:44 AM

knowing nothing about either team and looking at the highlights i don't see anything wrong with the burren goal anyway - apart from the bad goalkeeping.

Maybe not. But its a good job the highlights dont show why the seven free kicks McGovern converted close to goal where awarded.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on August 22, 2009, 11:57:35 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 22, 2009, 10:12:52 AM
Does anyone know why there are East Down reserve fixtures made for Monday night? The Down championship quarter finals draw to a conclusion on Monday and i thought Wednesday night would have made more sence to play these games.
Im sure many gaels will want to be in Newcastle to see Clonduff v Liatroim and hear the simi final draw after it. Typical East Down board.

We played last night instead, I think only teams out of the championship are involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 22, 2009, 12:31:33 PM
Tut Tut- how dare people on here criticise a referes's performance or blame them for a defeat!!! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aghdavoyle on August 22, 2009, 12:40:18 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 22, 2009, 11:50:08 AM
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on August 22, 2009, 11:32:44 AM

knowing nothing about either team and looking at the highlights i don't see anything wrong with the burren goal anyway - apart from the bad goalkeeping.

Maybe not. But its a good job the highlights dont show why the seven free kicks McGovern converted close to goal where awarded.

Fair enough - i can only comment on what i see
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 22, 2009, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 22, 2009, 10:41:56 AM
Absolute disgrace the refereeing performance last night. It was blatantly obvious when we went 2 points up on 2 occasions in the second half that the referee was awarding handy frees to let Burren back into it. Just a few observations from last night:

1. How can you award a yellow card and a 14 metre free against a man going for a 50/50 ball and winning it.
2. PJ McAlinden was wrongly booked for a third man tackle, it was Ciaran McGovern who made the challenge and he was already on a yellow. To amend for this the Referee didn't book PJ for a bad tackle about 10 mins later his exact words to Pj at the time where "I Wrongly booked you previously so your ok this time" Surely if he had known he was wrong he would have gone back and gave Ciaran McGovern his second yellow.

3. Our Full back got his tooth knocked out in a challenge and when he said this to the referee he moved the ball up for dissent to leave an easy scorable free.

4. When Daniel Hughes had that last free he asked the ref how long there was to go but the ref refused to tell him and any other player who approached. But when Damien Barton asked the ref replied 1 minute after the free is taken, yet when the Burren Keeper kicked the ball out the Ref blew for full-time.

Biased is not the word to describe Con  Reynolds.



not long after this danny hughes was getting pulled and dragged by 3 burren defenders and no word of a free!  without a doubt the ref lost saval the game.  he shouldn't get another match!!
i hear he was guest of honour at the Burren question and answers night :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 22, 2009, 05:19:43 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on August 22, 2009, 03:41:54 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 22, 2009, 01:01:47 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 22, 2009, 10:41:56 AM
Absolute disgrace the refereeing performance last night. It was blatantly obvious when we went 2 points up on 2 occasions in the second half that the referee was awarding handy frees to let Burren back into it. Just a few observations from last night:

1. How can you award a yellow card and a 14 metre free against a man going for a 50/50 ball and winning it.
2. PJ McAlinden was wrongly booked for a third man tackle, it was Ciaran McGovern who made the challenge and he was already on a yellow. To amend for this the Referee didn't book PJ for a bad tackle about 10 mins later his exact words to Pj at the time where "I Wrongly booked you previously so your ok this time" Surely if he had known he was wrong he would have gone back and gave Ciaran McGovern his second yellow.

3. Our Full back got his tooth knocked out in a challenge and when he said this to the referee he moved the ball up for dissent to leave an easy scorable free.

4. When Daniel Hughes had that last free he asked the ref how long there was to go but the ref refused to tell him and any other player who approached. But when Damien Barton asked the ref replied 1 minute after the free is taken, yet when the Burren Keeper kicked the ball out the Ref blew for full-time.

Biased is not the word to describe Con "by name and nature"  Reynolds. A**ehole more like.



not long after this danny hughes was getting pulled and dragged by 3 burren defenders and no word of a free!  without a doubt the ref lost saval the game.  he shouldn't get another match!!
i hear he was guest of honour at the Burren question and answers night :)
Con used to ref for us but went back to his own club.
I would say that he is the best ref in the county by a distance.
Seems like the major objector on here is MDG. Now I did witness a great referee in action the other night in Downpatrick(not).

I seen at first hand many times how bad he is. Everyone here is criticising him so he deserves no defence. Yeah ref in downpatick had poor game too from what im told. Thats a big problem in Down, poor referees who think they are above the players and can dictate to them and influence outcomes off games. Maybe when you go to big games like last night you will see for yourself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on August 22, 2009, 05:58:26 PM
Ok lads a bad ref and to be honest not a great match but if everyone has a go at every ref in the county soon we have no ref's left would anyone hear think of becoming a ref ? I think not it's a thankless job. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 22, 2009, 06:32:55 PM
QuoteQuote from: Mid Down Gael on Today at 10:12:52 AM
Does anyone know why there are East Down reserve fixtures made for Monday night? The Down championship quarter finals draw to a conclusion on Monday and i thought Wednesday night would have made more sence to play these games.
Im sure many gaels will want to be in Newcastle to see Clonduff v Liatroim and hear the simi final draw after it. Typical East Down board.


We played last night instead, I think only teams out of the championship are involved.

Nope, Kilclief II's have to play against Ardglass II's on Monday night, the night before our seniors play Atticall in the IFC!

Anybody seen any league tables for either section of the EDRFL??

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 22, 2009, 06:44:33 PM
Anyone know when the next round of the PRFC and RFC are?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on August 22, 2009, 07:12:30 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 22, 2009, 06:44:33 PM
Anyone know when the next round of the PRFC and RFC are?
I think they were scheduled for Monday and some on friday for cubs out of the championship. Could be wrong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on August 22, 2009, 07:31:55 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 20, 2009, 09:26:36 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 05:49:52 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 20, 2009, 01:22:11 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 02:12:58 AM
I see and hear jamie o'reilly has signed a 3 year contract with the richmond tigers.  congratulations to him and good luck.  Big miss for loughinisland and down, a great talent.
well it was on the richmond tigers website last night.  RICHMOND TIGERS HAVE SIGNED THERE FIRST IRISH NFL PLAYER, AND A QUOTE FROM JAMIE SAYING ''IM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT AND HE WILL JOI UP WITH THE TEAM FOR THE 09/10 SEASON''.  thats what was the headlines anyway.
Nah thats lies, he hasnt put pen to paper
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:WKGWGia8vxoJ:www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/82750/default.aspx+jamie+o%27reilly+richmond+tigers&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk
Dont believe that, he hasn't signed a contract yet. Read the irish News tomorrow
Are you Brendan Crossan ?   ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: idontbelieveit on August 22, 2009, 07:59:19 PM
I hear the island won by two tonight... any reports?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 22, 2009, 08:23:02 PM
Quote from: idontbelieveit on August 22, 2009, 07:59:19 PM
I hear the island won by two tonight... any reports?

Just home from game. Terrible match, two bad teams. Gordon was the difference wearing number 11. I wont even comment on the referee though im sure some posters will.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on August 22, 2009, 09:03:54 PM
I heard that young O'Reilly has signed with an Austrilian Rules team, does anyone know if this is true?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 23, 2009, 10:32:07 AM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 05:49:52 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 20, 2009, 01:22:11 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 02:12:58 AM
I see and hear jamie o'reilly has signed a 3 year contract with the richmond tigers.  congratulations to him and good luck.  Big miss for loughinisland and down, a great talent.


well it was on the richmond tigers website last night.  RICHMOND TIGERS HAVE SIGNED THERE FIRST IRISH NFL PLAYER, AND A QUOTE FROM JAMIE SAYING ''IM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT AND HE WILL JOI UP WITH THE TEAM FOR THE 09/10 SEASON''.  thats what was the headlines anyway.

Nah thats lies, he hasnt put pen to paper




http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:WKGWGia8vxoJ:www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/82750/default.aspx+jamie+o%27reilly+richmond+tigers&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk
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That's old news Highlander3 but here you go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 23, 2009, 10:34:57 AM
Will the Castlewellan pitch take 3 hurling matches this afternoon? There was very heavy rain over night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 23, 2009, 11:08:36 AM
Darragh Cross V Downpatrick IFC 1/4 final game has been switched from Hilltown to Bright at 5 today.
I'd say a few of them Hurling games will be moved also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 23, 2009, 12:01:32 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on August 23, 2009, 11:08:36 AM
Darragh Cross V Downpatrick IFC 1/4 final game has been switched from Hilltown to Bright at 5 today.
I'd say a few of them Hurling games will be moved also

Very sensible move to swich this. Hilltown pitch dosent take the rain too well and it would have been a shame if the countys top two teams had to play on a pitch tore up by a curtain raiser.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 23, 2009, 12:09:07 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 23, 2009, 12:01:32 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on August 23, 2009, 11:08:36 AM
Darragh Cross V Downpatrick IFC 1/4 final game has been switched from Hilltown to Bright at 5 today.
I'd say a few of them Hurling games will be moved also

Very sensible move to swich this. Hilltown pitch dosent take the rain too well and it would have been a shame if the countys top two teams had to play on a pitch tore up by a curtain raiser.

f**king joke that Hilltown once again gets the biggest tie of the round, something needs done about this undoubted favourtism towards the Clonduff club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 23, 2009, 12:24:57 PM
Loughinisland v An Riocht
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpg0xLxkzD8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpg0xLxkzD8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on August 23, 2009, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 23, 2009, 12:09:07 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 23, 2009, 12:01:32 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on August 23, 2009, 11:08:36 AM
Darragh Cross V Downpatrick IFC 1/4 final game has been switched from Hilltown to Bright at 5 today.
I'd say a few of them Hurling games will be moved also

Very sensible move to swich this. Hilltown pitch dosent take the rain too well and it would have been a shame if the countys top two teams had to play on a pitch tore up by a curtain raiser.

f**king joke that Hilltown once again gets the biggest tie of the round, something needs done about this undoubted favourtism towards the Clonduff club.

It's probably the best ground to pick from a Board perspective because its got parking, a decent capacity, and theres less stewarding costs than at Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 23, 2009, 12:43:23 PM
Sorry Down6061689194 but I'd disagree with your reasoning for the persistent use of Clonduff, have you ever tried getting past Clonduff pitch when a big game is taking place?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 23, 2009, 01:06:35 PM
Hilltown always gets the big games - the bias is awful. I might be accused of being biased but Castlewellan could easily handle the bigger games, as could Newcastle. Also I think every person going into the matches should be given a numbered ticket as there is no way of knowing how much money should reach the county board and how much actually does!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 23, 2009, 01:22:30 PM
After the theft off many Loughinisland players wallets from the Castlewellan changing rooms last night they shouldnt get another game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 23, 2009, 01:48:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 23, 2009, 01:22:30 PM
After the theft off many Loughinisland players wallets from the Castlewellan changing rooms last night they shouldnt get another game.

first time I have heard that, there are some scumbags about, surely you cannot stop them getting games because of the actions of one or two?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on August 23, 2009, 02:00:36 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 23, 2009, 01:48:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 23, 2009, 01:22:30 PM
After the theft off many Loughinisland players wallets from the Castlewellan changing rooms last night they shouldnt get another game.

first time I have heard that, there are some scumbags about, surely you cannot stop them getting games because of the actions of one or two?

You can aye. Should it not have been Castlewellan who should have made sure the changing rooms were locked and secure?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 23, 2009, 02:03:35 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 23, 2009, 02:00:36 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 23, 2009, 01:48:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 23, 2009, 01:22:30 PM
After the theft off many Loughinisland players wallets from the Castlewellan changing rooms last night they shouldnt get another game.

first time I have heard that, there are some scumbags about, surely you cannot stop them getting games because of the actions of one or two?

You can aye. Should it not have been Castlewellan who should have made sure the changing rooms were locked and secure?

It def should have been. and had stewards surrounding changing rooms during game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on August 23, 2009, 02:13:29 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 23, 2009, 02:03:35 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 23, 2009, 02:00:36 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 23, 2009, 01:48:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 23, 2009, 01:22:30 PM
After the theft off many Loughinisland players wallets from the Castlewellan changing rooms last night they shouldnt get another game.

first time I have heard that, there are some scumbags about, surely you cannot stop them getting games because of the actions of one or two?

You can aye. Should it not have been Castlewellan who should have made sure the changing rooms were locked and secure?

It def should have been. and had stewards surrounding changing rooms during game.

apparently 4 players got there wallets stolen, with there credit cards and over £500 between them in it as they were going out after the match also there phones and watches and a ipod taken.a complete disgrace, surely castlewellan should take responsabilty for this dirty deed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 23, 2009, 02:24:18 PM
I can't believe that the Castlewellan club failed to ensure that all dressing rooms were locked during this game or any game for that matter, the scumbags that do this are the lowest of the low & I would hope that they are identified ASAP.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 23, 2009, 03:00:56 PM
Junior Championship in Saval

Bosco 0:11   Glenn 1:08

Bosco 0:10 Glenn 0:01 Half time Score, worst wind iv played against for a long time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on August 23, 2009, 03:05:58 PM
St pauls bt aghaderg by 4. And I'm. Stuck among a bunch of cnuts parading on the queens highway
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on August 23, 2009, 03:10:25 PM
Junior Championship
Bright 1-9  Dromara 1-9

Ciarán Kelly got probably the goal of the season to help Dromara get out of gaol.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lroberts680 on August 23, 2009, 04:10:34 PM
Are all of the Hurling matches in Castlewellan still on at the minute?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 23, 2009, 05:04:29 PM
What times the bridge match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on August 23, 2009, 05:07:17 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 05:49:52 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 20, 2009, 01:22:11 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 12:57:42 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 20, 2009, 02:12:58 AM
I see and hear jamie o'reilly has signed a 3 year contract with the richmond tigers.  congratulations to him and good luck.  Big miss for loughinisland and down, a great talent.



well it was on the richmond tigers website last night.  RICHMOND TIGERS HAVE SIGNED THERE FIRST IRISH NFL PLAYER, AND A QUOTE FROM JAMIE SAYING ''IM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT AND HE WILL JOI UP WITH THE TEAM FOR THE 09/10 SEASON''.  thats what was the headlines anyway.


Nah thats lies, he hasnt put pen to paper





http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:WKGWGia8vxoJ:www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/82750/default.aspx+jamie+o%27reilly+richmond+tigers&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

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That's old news Highlander3 but here you go.


Thanks for that Mournerambler, i just wish we did not keep lossing our young players, the seniors need the help, the only good thing is that i think that there were at least 2/3 other better Down players on that U21.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on August 23, 2009, 05:55:36 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 22, 2009, 12:31:33 PM
Tut Tut- how dare people on here criticise a referes's performance or blame them for a defeat!!! ;D
Your sarcasm is wasted. If you look closer, it is mostly the neutral posters that were accurately commenting on the referees performance.  That is a long way from someone yapping about every referee that was in charge of a game that their club loses
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on August 23, 2009, 06:59:49 PM
IFC Quarter Final in Bright:
Darragh Cross 0-9 Downpatrick 0-6

I heard Mayobridge were leading Kilcoo 1-6 to 0-1 with 25minutes played
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 23, 2009, 07:33:58 PM
IH Semi Final .  Bredagh won by 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 23, 2009, 08:01:00 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 23, 2009, 07:57:57 PM
Due to the fact the changing rooms were ock3ed and there were stewards on the doors coupled with the fact the Clonduff weren't robbed points to a dirty Loughinisland man and from what i have been told that is the case- the blues have a manin mind

Were they not playing An Riocht Town Gael?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on August 23, 2009, 08:03:01 PM
I hear kilcoo won by two points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downboy on August 23, 2009, 08:06:51 PM
Kilcoo by 2 . Late late rally by all accounts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 23, 2009, 08:10:22 PM
Any reports on game? Fair play to them, all work being put in at underage warrants some success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 23, 2009, 08:11:02 PM
Couldn't believe what i heard at the game tonight the whole talk was about the islnad boys getting there wallets nicked maybe if they paid more attention to there own club instead of worring about all there neighbours things like this wouldn haooen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on August 23, 2009, 08:25:53 PM
Sorry can't believe the nonsense Reading here . Is town Gael accusing island person of stealing.  R a gimp . Think town have to look after  Who is watchng the rooms .say no more 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 23, 2009, 08:45:39 PM
Quote from: islandboy on August 23, 2009, 08:25:53 PM
Sorry can't believe the nonsense Reading here . Is town Gael accusing island person of stealing.  R a gimp . Think town have to look after  Who is watchng the rooms .say no more

It was probably the referee  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lroberts680 on August 23, 2009, 08:55:57 PM
U16 B Hurling Championship abandoned at half time due to heavy rain and waterlogged pitch with Bredagh leading 5:8 2:3.
Pitch was in dire state at half time and more rain during half time just made it worse. Replay - Thursday 6.30 Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on August 23, 2009, 08:58:53 PM
Fair dues to Kilcoo great win, its will be good to see a new Down Championship winner
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on August 23, 2009, 09:00:35 PM
Were the 'bridge really beat ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 23, 2009, 09:02:18 PM
It's on BBC Sport Bcarrier.

There'll be some party wherever the O'Hare Cup lands this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 23, 2009, 09:12:25 PM
Hurling Results from Castlewellan

JHC Semi Final

Warrenpoint 3-16 1-13 Carryduff
The Point got a real scare in this one with Carryduff well up for it in their first ever adult hurling championship game. At half time Carryduff led by 1-9 to 5 points and Warrenpoint didn't know what had hit them. Young Earley scored the Duff goal straight from a 50m sideline cut, a score that would grace Croke Park even if the Warrenpoint goal keeping was Go Games standard.

The Point obviously got a good talking to at half time and came out all guns blazing. 2 early goals settled them, they took complete control and ran out fairly easy winners in the end. The dismissal of the Carryduff full back for a 2nd yellow didn't help their cause especially as the first yellow was completely unnecessary.

The Point play the winners of Ballyvarley and Castlewellan in what should be a good JHC final.

IHC Semi Final

Bredagh 2-12 1-11 Ballela
Bredagh took control of this game early on and the Ballela defence were pulled all over the place by the young Bredagh forwards. Despite playing against a strong breeze Bredagh went in at the break leading by 1-9 to 6 points.

The second half was a closer affair with some very robust hurling on display. How the game finish 15 aside I don't know. Ballela grabbed the goal with 5 minutes remaining to add a bit of tension but Bredagh held on to win by 4.

Bredagh now face Liatroim in the IHC Final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 23, 2009, 09:15:22 PM
According to BBC sport it was debatable whether the game should have gone ahead tonight given the condition of the surface after the heavy rainfall, can anyone confirm this or is this a case of the BBC making yet another boob?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lroberts680 on August 23, 2009, 09:20:23 PM
Clonduff is a serios ground for getting waterlogged, no drainage at all. A piss in the corner would flood that place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on August 23, 2009, 09:23:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 23, 2009, 09:02:18 PM
It's on BBC Sport Bcarrier.

There'll be some party wherever the O'Hare Cup lands this year.

Its on the Down Gaa web sites result page
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 23, 2009, 09:29:04 PM
Bridge definitely beaten, late rally by kilcoo. Bridge winnin by 6 with 7 mins left, some comeback from the magpies. Fair dues to them, they never stopped, never gave up hope. McCorry has to get the credit for comeback, used his 5 subs well and made the moves that counted! Paul Carroll also has to get praise for helping Kilcoo, Pluggy Barry was prob best bridge man tonight and took him off and replaced him with John Quinn who is just home from a 2 week holiday! Then took on Noel Sexton who was hardly fit to walk, Brutal. First half Bridge were all over them just never played in second half. Just thought they had it won.
Also conditions were a disgrace, pitch was dangerous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on August 23, 2009, 09:44:49 PM
bridge manager thought he had it won and started making subs kilcoo didnt look like winning until the changes were made condictions terrible fair play to kilcoo well done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on August 23, 2009, 09:55:49 PM
who played well for Kilcoo?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 23, 2009, 10:03:51 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on August 23, 2009, 09:55:49 PM
who played well for Kilcoo?

No one really stood out, they hadnt played that great at all. You could say they stole it really, but its never over till its over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on August 23, 2009, 10:20:37 PM
AT half-time the kilcoo lads put speados on thats how wet the pitch was,The bridge made subs and the game turned.SICK AS A PIG :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 23, 2009, 10:27:19 PM
Lots of new posters round championship time!

Most of them providing the info on matches!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on August 23, 2009, 10:30:56 PM
Just Thought I'd Mention The Referee Tonight, I Thought Neil Cousin's Did Very Well Tonight, Considering The Wet and Wild Condictions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on August 23, 2009, 10:57:51 PM
ACPRL Division 2:Bredagh 1-9, Warrenpoint 0-11, Venue: Bredagh, ;Carryduff 2-15, Annaclone 2-9, Venue: Carryduff, ;Ballyholland 3-11, Loughinisland 1-11, Venue: Ballyholland, ;Tullylish 0-11, Saval 0-11, Venue: Tullylish, ;Longstone 0-5, Downpatrick 0-0, Venue: Longstone, ;ACPRL Division 1:An Riocht 1-7, Bryansford 3-13, Venue: An Riocht, ;Rostrevor 2-15, Liatroim 0-9, Venue: Rostrevor, ;Burren 0-17, Clonduff 1-6, Venue: Burren, ;Ballymartin 1-11, Castlewellan 3-11, Venue: Ballymartin, ;Kilcoo 0-16, Mayobridge 0-7, Venue: Kilcoo, ;Powerade Down Senior Football Championship:Mayobridge 1-8, Kilcoo 1-10, Venue: Clonduff, ;An Riocht 0-8, Loughinisland 0-10, Venue: Castlewellan, ;Burren 1-10, Saval 0-12, Venue: Ballyholland, ;Around-A-Pound Down Intermediate Football Championship:Darragh Cross 0-9, Downpatrick 0-7, Venue: Clonduff, ;Ardglass 5-8, Dundrum 1-13, Venue: Downpatrick, ;Ballymartin 0-14, Glasdrumman 0-9, Venue: An Riocht, ;Around A Pound Down Junior Football Championship:Ballykinlar 0-4, Teconnaught 3-13, Venue: Loughinisland, ;Aghaderg 1-5, St Pauls 1-9, Venue: Carryduff, ;Bright 1-10, Dromara 1-10, Venue: St Johns, ;St John Bosco 0-11, Glenn 1-8, Venue: Saval, ;East Down U-16 A Football Championship:Castlewellan 3-5, Kilcoo 6-20, Venue: St Johns, ;East Down U14 A Football Championship:Carryduff 5-11, Castlewellan 2-4, Venue: Ballykinlar, ;South Down Minor Div 1 League:Mayobridge 1-7, Burren 2-15, Venue: Mayobridge, ;Glenn 1-12, Rostrevor 2-3, Venue: Glenn, ;Warrenpoint 2-6, Clonduff 4-22, Venue: Warrenpoint, ;Ladies Senior Championship:Clonduff 1-13, Saval 3-8, Venue: Mayobridge, Semi-Final (AET)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on August 23, 2009, 11:16:49 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 23, 2009, 07:57:57 PM
Due to the fact the changing rooms were ock3ed and there were stewards on the doors coupled with the fact the Clonduff weren't robbed points to a dirty Loughinisland man and from what i have been told that isn't beyond the realms of possibility

Maybe the fact that Clonduff weren't robbed is due to the fact they weren't playing you tube. Maybe if the stewarts had of been doing their jobs properly they wouldnt have got robbed.
Centre 3/4s what are you on about? ???

Kilcoo and Bridge match was poor game. Exciting in the last 5 but thats about it. Terrible conditions, with the ball stopping dead anytime it landed, causing players to run over it or slip stopping for it. Correct me if im wrong, but dont think one kickout was won with a clean catch. Fair play to Kilcoo, at least we'll have a new name on the championship this year. Although the bridge substitutions changed the game, what was the manager thinkin? Also, did anyone see conor Laverty down in the corner with Eoghan Woods?Was hanging of his arm and looked to be biting him!Hateful dog
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Post by: umpire on August 24, 2009, 12:17:14 AM
Prediction League update

Bacon still out in front with 22

With 5 on 21

Johnnie99
DownFanatic
Eyeswideopen
Green + Gold
Souljaboy

Full Prediction league will be on here after all quarter finals is completed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on August 24, 2009, 12:19:02 AM
well done to the two teams tonight, bridge and kilcoo. i arrived late coming from croke park and couldnt believe that the game was being played when i saw the state of the pitch. the fact that there were puddles of water all over the pitch and that the two best teams in the county (league & championship winners) were made play in what most people thought the biggest game of the championship was a disgrace. as a neutral supporter, which makes no difference to my post, the game tonight should have been postponed. every time a player went for the ball there was water flying everywhere. yes it was the same for both teams and fair play to kilcoo but if that was a league game that match would have been off. we have read all the craic about castlewellan & clonduff and was the pitch playable or not and who deemed it yes or no, but a blind man on a galloping horse would have told you that clonduff tonight was not playable. My point to this post is

did the ref say it was playable or did the county board tell him it was ?

i would like to hear what anyone else thinks because and i hope no one has got injured but if they had of tonight  on what can only be described as a flooded pitch (not waterlogged) would be a disgrace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oldhacker on August 24, 2009, 12:40:33 AM
The half time score in the u16 hurling was actually Bredagh 6-09, Castlewellan 2-02. It had  lashed down early on, and possibly should not have started, but the rain was over well before the break and Bredagh had the wind in the second half. Starting again from zero next week was a harsh call on Bredagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 24, 2009, 12:42:13 AM
It was a bit wet tonight alright!

(http://www.sys-sol.net/KilcooVMayobridge.jpg)

(http://www.sys-sol.net/KilcooVMayobridgeaction1.jpg)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 24, 2009, 12:43:14 AM
Video highlights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc0TObhVbqo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc0TObhVbqo)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 24, 2009, 12:50:32 AM
Pitch looked shockin alright. How was this allowed to go ahead!!?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 24, 2009, 12:52:29 AM
Great photos amallon. Are you professional?

Who'd would youse Down lads expect to go and win the championship now? Kilcoo, Burren or someone else?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 24, 2009, 01:17:02 AM
Its been handed on a plate nicely to burren now unfortunately!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on August 24, 2009, 01:18:56 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 24, 2009, 12:52:29 AM
Great photos amallon. Are you professional?

Who'd would youse Down lads expect to go and win the championship now? Kilcoo, Burren or someone else?

I'd say kilcoo would be favourites but they could be beat by any of the other 4 teams if they were on their day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on August 24, 2009, 01:57:09 AM
Quote from: True Blue on August 24, 2009, 12:19:02 AM
well done to the two teams tonight, bridge and kilcoo. i arrived late coming from croke park and couldnt believe that the game was being played when i saw the state of the pitch. the fact that there were puddles of water all over the pitch and that the two best teams in the county (league & championship winners) were made play in what most people thought the biggest game of the championship was a disgrace. as a neutral supporter, which makes no difference to my post, the game tonight should have been postponed. every time a player went for the ball there was water flying everywhere. yes it was the same for both teams and fair play to kilcoo but if that was a league game that match would have been off. we have read all the craic about castlewellan & clonduff and was the pitch playable or not and who deemed it yes or no, but a blind man on a galloping horse would have told you that clonduff tonight was not playable. My point to this post is

did the ref say it was playable or did the county board tell him it was ?

i would like to hear what anyone else thinks because and i hope no one has got injured but if they had of tonight  on what can only be described as a flooded pitch (not waterlogged) would be a disgrace.
Interesting question,  as it was originally scheduled as a double header, but earlier the Intermediate Championship game was moved to Bright as the Clonduff pitch would be too wet for 2 games. Was this decision made by the county board?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on August 24, 2009, 02:06:47 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 24, 2009, 12:42:13 AM
It was a bit wet tonight alright!

(http://www.sys-sol.net/KilcooVMayobridge.jpg)

(http://www.sys-sol.net/KilcooVMayobridgeaction1.jpg)

these pictures, and may i just say mr mallon are fantastic, make my case for my last post so strong.

TONIGHTS GAME SHOULD HAVE BEEN POSTPONED DUE TO A FLOODED PITCH

To answer the last queastion posted who do you think will win it now. Its not about who will win it. all neutrals in the county hope burren or kilcoo dont win it. we are all cheering on the island and winners of clonduff and liatriom.
but its up for grabs now.

look at the weekend a poor burren performance, a terrible game between an riocht & island and kilcoo swimming into the semis. at the moment and i dont want to curse you, but no doubt kilcoo are favourites to win the championship. to win the down championship in the last 5 years you had to beat the bridge, so kilcoo are the team to beat
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on August 24, 2009, 02:37:44 AM
I heard tonight that the County Minor full back (Boyle) got his jaw broken in a big altercation in Castlewellan at the weekend, and will thus miss the AI semi next weekend.  Can anyone confirm?

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/psni-investigate-serious-assault-in-co-down-423644.html (http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/psni-investigate-serious-assault-in-co-down-423644.html)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 24, 2009, 08:02:14 AM
Great win for Kilcoo. The game should never have went ahead, woeful conditions. I have great sympathy for the bridge, the conditions made it a lottery and they shouldnt have had to defend their title in them conditions. Although for 50 minutes they adapted much better. they are becoming far too dependant on Benny and Walsh. Kilcoo where poor, played for ten minutes and won. Just hope we can go on and win it now after knocking two favourites out. Well done to Mayobridge, great champions and they deserve all the credit for the 8 championshops they won in recent years. Kilcoo owed the bridge a defeat in the championship after many years in trying. Well done to the 19 Kilcoo men who gave their all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 24, 2009, 08:04:31 AM
Quote from: western exile on August 24, 2009, 02:37:44 AM
I heard tonight that the County Minor full back (Boyle) got his jaw broken in a big altercation in Castlewellan at the weekend, and will thus miss the AI semi next weekend.  Can anyone confirm?

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/psni-investigate-serious-assault-in-co-down-423644.html (http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/psni-investigate-serious-assault-in-co-down-423644.html)

Yes Paddy Boyle has a broken jaw. Castlewellan becoming a shit hole for rows and leaving people seriously ill. a gang from Warrenpoint responsible, including kick boxers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 24, 2009, 09:20:21 AM
can anyone who was at Bright yesterday at the Downpatrick v Darragh C game honestly say that referee was fit to ref an IFC quarter final??

come on county board, we need stronger refs for these big games!
he must hav been related to the downpatrick number 6, its the only reason i can think he didnt card him all game, he started or was stuck in the middle of every flair up

great win for the Cross all the same!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 24, 2009, 09:34:45 AM
Cheers Mid Down - It would have been easy to put the boot in this morning.

Paddy Boyle wasn't out drinking.  He was driving and got out of his car to help some friends who were being attacked.  Just because you are a Down minor doesn't mean you have to become a hermit and sit in the house. 

Those making acusations on the incident with the Loughinisland changing rooms should edit their posts.  This isn't the time or place.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 24, 2009, 09:51:46 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 24, 2009, 09:34:45 AM

Those making acusations on the incident with the Loughinisland changing rooms should edit their posts.  This isn't the time or place.

Agreed!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on August 24, 2009, 10:07:00 AM
Does anyone know when the draws for the semi finals are to be made?
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Post by: meatsy86 on August 24, 2009, 10:48:30 AM
Draws made tonight at the Liatroim v Clonduff match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 24, 2009, 10:50:39 AM
Quote from: maldini on August 24, 2009, 09:20:21 AM
can anyone who was at Bright yesterday at the Downpatrick v Darragh C game honestly say that referee was fit to ref an IFC quarter final??

come on county board, we need stronger refs for these big games!
he must hav been related to the downpatrick number 6, its the only reason i can think he didnt card him all game, he started or was stuck in the middle of every flair up

great win for the Cross all the same!
Agree ref was not up to it but to single out Hoops no 6 is a a bit warped
Nos 8/9/11/15 should have walked for Darragh in the first half alonebut that would be me speaking from a Downpatrick view.
At the end of the Day Downpatrick did not deserve to win it irrespective of how many they were missing.The ref did not beat Downpatrick, they beat themselves with a terrible performance and some of these guys need to ask serious questions of themselves
Very open now, though winners of tomorrow match should be favourites
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Post by: maldini on August 24, 2009, 11:04:24 AM
r u wise?

i didnt see darragh's number 8 or 9 committing a singel foul in the first half

number 11 was yellow carded - correct decision in my opinion

number 15 - sure he just shouldered his man, alrite it was off the ball but can u honestly say that warrants a red card?

so darragh should hav had 11 men at half time? and u say im warped??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 24, 2009, 11:16:30 AM
No what I am saying if you wanted to nit pick every decision or incident and if you look at them with either Darragh cross specs  or Downpatrick specs then you will have differnet perception.
Have no qualms about outcome
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Post by: bridgegael on August 24, 2009, 11:49:32 AM
no complaints here bout last night,  obviously gutted,  had to end sometime.  there are far worse things that happened us this year,  we'll def get over it.  a break will do us the world of good. good luck to kilcoo and the rest of the other teams left in championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lroberts680 on August 24, 2009, 12:56:28 PM
What was the score in the Carryduff vs Clonduff U16 B Hurling Championship yesterday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: youbetterbelieveit on August 24, 2009, 01:24:58 PM
Anybody know anything about the Castlewellan 7's who attending and the like?

cheers for any information.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on August 24, 2009, 03:27:38 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 24, 2009, 09:34:45 AM
Cheers Mid Down - It would have been easy to put the boot in this morning.

Paddy Boyle wasn't out drinking.  He was driving and got out of his car to help some friends who were being attacked.  Just because you are a Down minor doesn't mean you have to become a hermit and sit in the house. 

Those making acusations on the incident with the Loughinisland changing rooms should edit their posts.  This isn't the time or place.

DO YOU HEAR THAT TOWN GAEL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 24, 2009, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 24, 2009, 08:02:14 AM
Great win for Kilcoo. The game should never have went ahead, woeful conditions. I have great sympathy for the bridge, the conditions made it a lottery and they shouldnt have had to defend their title in them conditions. Although for 50 minutes they adapted much better. they are becoming far too dependant on Benny and Walsh. Kilcoo where poor, played for ten minutes and won. Just hope we can go on and win it now after knocking two favourites out. Well done to Mayobridge, great champions and they deserve all the credit for the 8 championshops they won in recent years. Kilcoo owed the bridge a defeat in the championship after many years in trying. Well done to the 19 Kilcoo men who gave their all.

Well said gael! All the best for the championship, dont know who to support now assuming Clonduff get through it will be hard to pick from all our neighbours! :P :P :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 24, 2009, 04:55:36 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 24, 2009, 11:49:32 AM
no complaints here bout last night,  obviously gutted,  had to end sometime.  there are far worse things that happened us this year,  we'll def get over it.  a break will do us the world of good. good luck to kilcoo and the rest of the other teams left in championship.

Yea spot on gael, break will be good for the lads. Having been long seasons these past ten years!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 24, 2009, 05:08:30 PM
Quote from: lroberts680 on August 24, 2009, 12:56:28 PM
What was the score in the Carryduff vs Clonduff U16 B Hurling Championship yesterday

Carryduff won 4-19 to 2-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 24, 2009, 05:09:13 PM
Which Duff ?  :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 24, 2009, 05:10:27 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 24, 2009, 05:09:13 PM
Which Duff ?  :D :D

knew some smartarse would note that,  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lroberts680 on August 24, 2009, 07:32:51 PM
Any latest scores from the Clonduff vs Laitriom
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on August 24, 2009, 07:39:07 PM
Bosco v Glenn replay set for Saturday week in Saval that would be the 5th Sept not sure on time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 24, 2009, 09:01:06 PM
Simi final Draw

Kilcoo v Burren
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 24, 2009, 09:02:33 PM
any other draws?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 24, 2009, 09:03:32 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on August 24, 2009, 09:02:33 PM
any other draws?

Minor just

Kilcoo v Ballyholland
Warrenpoint v Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 24, 2009, 09:10:41 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 24, 2009, 09:01:06 PM
Kilcoo v Burren

Scared to go watch them now...

I missed the ford and bridge games and now I'm worried I might scud the luck!!!  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on August 24, 2009, 09:14:55 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 24, 2009, 09:01:06 PM
Simi final Draw

Kilcoo v Burren
Clonduff v Loughinisland
I take it from that that Liatroim got beat.  Anyone got the score in that one?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on August 24, 2009, 09:53:57 PM
Any word on the intermediate and junior championship draw?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 24, 2009, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: western exile on August 24, 2009, 09:14:55 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 24, 2009, 09:01:06 PM
Simi final Draw

Kilcoo v Burren
Clonduff v Loughinisland
I take it from that that Liatroim got beat.  Anyone got the score in that one?

It was 2-09 to 1-09 to Clonduff with a couple of minutes left.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 24, 2009, 10:24:53 PM
Got the swear box ready for tomorrow night DF?   :o

Make sure the Sunday Game theme is playing again and try and get the right flag sorted out...........

http://www.pbase.com/kilcliefgac/image/115860116 (http://www.pbase.com/kilcliefgac/image/115860116)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on August 24, 2009, 10:27:17 PM
How did your reserves do tonight No1?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 24, 2009, 10:32:32 PM
Beaten by 5 by those wonderful sporting gentlemen from Ardglass.

We had a poor enough team out, senior manager wouldn't let a lot of boys tog out because of the Attical game tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on August 24, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Aw bollocks, we have an outstanding fixture against them, which we'll now have to play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 24, 2009, 10:44:09 PM
Prediction League update.

Still 3 games to be played.
Attical v Kilclief
Bright v Dromara replay
Bosco v Glenn replay

Of the Quarter final prediction i will put it up after bosco v glenn game on Sat week.
The leaders in quarter finals so far after 9 games

8  behind the wire
8  eyeswideopen
8  souljaboy

Overall Prediction League
1      23   Bacon
2      22   DownFanatic
3      22   eyeswideopen
4      22   Johnnie99
5      22   souljaboy
6      21   Dubh driocht
7      21   goalswingames
8      21   Green + Gold
9      21   Mid Down Gael
10      20   behind the wire
11      20   BRIDGE LAD
12      20   Islandboy
13      20   Niall Quinn
14      20   off the laces
15      20   thewobbler
16      20   True Blue
17      20   western exile
18      19   Bitta-Banter
19      19   Down6061689194
20      19   Fitroyalty
21      19   meatsy86
22      19   minus15
23      19   No1
24      18   Bredaghgael86
25      18   cloneman
26      18   D45
27      18   dunrumite
28      18   general
29      18   marsbarkid
30      18   mourenrambler
31      18   Mourne Rover
32      18   Square Ball
33      18   T O Hare
34      18   The Worker
35      18   TheClutch
36      17   An Cloch Scoilte
37      17   passedit
38      17   Statto-Gael
39      16   bridgegael
40      16   dundroma
41      16   Fender
42      16   lfdown2
43      16   Supersub
44      16   Trevor Hill
45      16   umpire
46      15   dodgy umpire
47      15   Leo
48      14   amallon
49      14   Blue Island
50      14   Brick Tamlin
51      14   fred the ref
52      14   Irelands32
53      14   southdown
54      13   too long ref
55      13   waitingforsam
56      13   wobbller
57      12   centre 3/4s
58      12   goldenyears
59      12   miss mess
60      6   Idontbelieveit
61      5   Iroberts680
62      4   stiff breeze

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on August 24, 2009, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 24, 2009, 09:01:06 PM
Simi final Draw

Kilcoo v Burren
Clonduff v Loughinisland

Kilcoo Burren should be a great game. McKernan missing for Burren so i would give Kilcoo the nod here. As for the Loughinisland Clonduff game, dont have a clue what will happen Clonduff beat them twice in the league, but loughinisland never had a full team. Bit of a biased prediction, but going to say Loughinisland by 2. Think its absolutely hilarious that Loughinisland have got the easiest draw they could have two years in a row and now with a bit of luck could be in another championship final! :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 24, 2009, 11:38:57 PM
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on August 24, 2009, 01:24:58 PM
Anybody know anything about the Castlewellan 7's who attending and the like?

cheers for any information.

I know a Spanish team- Madrid Harps are coming this year. Normally we have a couple of university teams, Bryansford, Longstone,St Gall's, Scotstown, St Mary's Sligo etc coming- always a great day, the best 7's teams in Ireland come and normally the last 4 in our tournament are not far away in the last 4 of Kilmacud
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 25, 2009, 01:31:35 AM
Clonduff v Liatroim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Or5bOyFx9M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Or5bOyFx9M)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on August 25, 2009, 09:20:56 AM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 24, 2009, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 24, 2009, 09:01:06 PM
Simi final Draw

Kilcoo v Burren
Clonduff v Loughinisland

Kilcoo Burren should be a great game. McKernan missing for Burren so i would give Kilcoo the nod here. As for the Loughinisland Clonduff game, dont have a clue what will happen Clonduff beat them twice in the league, but loughinisland never had a full team. Bit of a biased prediction, but going to say Loughinisland by 2. Think its absolutely hilarious that Loughinisland have got the easiest draw they could have two years in a row and now with a bit of luck could be in another championship final! :D :D

Mid down gael stated the same thing a few pages ago. Are you also suffering from the early dementia? Fully accept this years draw has been kind and although Clonduff will be favourites on current form, Burren and Kilcoo would be, looking at it objectively, the tougher draw.

However, those with short memory's seem to forget that when we beat Rostrevor and Burren on the way to the final last year they were (excepting Mayobridge) many peoples pick to win it on this board. I am assuming by your post you must consider Burren and Rostrevor easy touches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 25, 2009, 09:57:55 AM
Loughinisland had a tough run last year apart from Downpatrick in quarter final. I also believe the island where playing much better last year and had a stronger lineout on paper. This year they have had a handy run but thats not their fault its the luck off the draw and they have scrapped by two poor teams in my view. They will be close to getting to another final if they can find their best form for the Clonduff tie. A Kilcoo v Clonduff final would be great though. A great local rivalry between the two clubs. Really hard to believe afier how poor the yellows where earlier in season when you see them now. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 25, 2009, 10:08:09 AM
any body have the Junior draw from last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on August 25, 2009, 10:35:57 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 24, 2009, 11:38:57 PM
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on August 24, 2009, 01:24:58 PM
Anybody know anything about the Castlewellan 7's who attending and the like?

cheers for any information.

I know a Spanish team- Madrid Harps are coming this year. Normally we have a couple of university teams, Bryansford, Longstone,St Gall's, Scotstown, St Mary's Sligo etc coming- always a great day, the best 7's teams in Ireland come and normally the last 4 in our tournament are not far away in the last 4 of Kilmacud

hope you let them know that there is thiefs about your club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 25, 2009, 11:15:24 AM
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hope you let them know that there is thiefs about your club.
[/quote]
spelling please!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on August 25, 2009, 11:40:50 AM

Six in a row is hard to do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downboy on August 25, 2009, 11:52:46 AM
Felt sorry for young Boyle after reading that in the Irish news this morning. It appears it was a bus load returning from cage fighting. Says it all really. A combined IQ of about 4 on the bus id say
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on August 25, 2009, 12:08:02 PM
just like to comment on the ref Mayobridge,Kilcoo game I thought he handled the game really well from I was standing I could here him explaining to the players about the decision being made where some refs just blow and point and if you question them they move the ball up its nice to know that there are some decent refs in the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 25, 2009, 12:48:46 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 25, 2009, 10:35:57 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 24, 2009, 11:38:57 PM
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on August 24, 2009, 01:24:58 PM
Anybody know anything about the Castlewellan 7's who attending and the like?

cheers for any information.

I know a Spanish team- Madrid Harps are coming this year. Normally we have a couple of university teams, Bryansford, Longstone,St Gall's, Scotstown, St Mary's Sligo etc coming- always a great day, the best 7's teams in Ireland come and normally the last 4 in our tournament are not far away in the last 4 of Kilmacud

hope you let them know that there is thiefs about your club.
Did you learn to how to spell at school? Did you learn proper grammar? It doesn't look like it dipshit.
For the record the thieves got in through the changingroom window and could have been from any club, or none.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 25, 2009, 01:08:24 PM
Quote from: No1 on August 24, 2009, 10:24:53 PM
Got the swear box ready for tomorrow night DF?   :o

Make sure the Sunday Game theme is playing again and try and get the right flag sorted out...........

http://www.pbase.com/kilcliefgac/image/115860116 (http://www.pbase.com/kilcliefgac/image/115860116)

The takings from the swear box would easily exceed the gate takings methinks.

Tell you what, how's about putting the proceeds of the swear box towards buying dictionaries for all the young Kilcliefians in attendance. With the lack of proper adult English down in your parts they could well do with it.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 25, 2009, 01:22:33 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 25, 2009, 01:08:24 PM

.......


Tell you what, how's about putting the proceeds of the swear box towards buying dictionaries for all the young Kilcliefians in attendance. With the lack of proper adult English down in your parts they could well do with it.

That's been sorted as not only have Kilclief got a Ballygalget hurling manager but the local primary school has been importing Ballygalget teachers for the last half dozen years or so. It will however take a few years for the rewards to show.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 25, 2009, 02:20:17 PM
  Things are bad when a fluent Ulster Scots speaker and a Ballykinlar wannabe are giving out about our educational standards!   ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 25, 2009, 02:27:59 PM
Quote from: No1 on August 25, 2009, 02:20:17 PM
  Things are bad when a fluent Ulster Scots speaker and a Ballykinlar wannabe are giving out about our educational standards!   ;D

What's that all about?  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 25, 2009, 03:19:36 PM
Quote from: No1 on August 25, 2009, 02:20:17 PM
  Things are bad when a fluent Ulster Scots speaker and a Ballykinlar wannabe are giving out about our educational standards!   ;D

Thank god you're not talking about me then  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on August 25, 2009, 03:34:10 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 25, 2009, 12:48:46 PM
Quote from: too long ref on August 25, 2009, 10:35:57 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 24, 2009, 11:38:57 PM
Quote from: youbetterbelieveit on August 24, 2009, 01:24:58 PM
Anybody know anything about the Castlewellan 7's who attending and the like?

cheers for any information.

I know a Spanish team- Madrid Harps are coming this year. Normally we have a couple of university teams, Bryansford, Longstone,St Gall's, Scotstown, St Mary's Sligo etc coming- always a great day, the best 7's teams in Ireland come and normally the last 4 in our tournament are not far away in the last 4 of Kilmacud

hope you let them know that there is thiefs about your club.
Did you learn to how to spell at school? Did you learn proper grammar? It doesn't look like it dipshit.
For the record the thieves got in through the changingroom window and could have been from any club, or none.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AT YOUR CLUB, THE OTHER DAY YOU THOUGHT CLONDUFF WAS PLAYING LOUGHINISLAND, MAYBE YOU CANT READ, OH NO, YOUR FROM THE TOWN, THATS IT. ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 25, 2009, 05:49:39 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 24, 2009, 10:59:06 PM
Think its absolutely hilarious that Loughinisland have got the easiest draw they could have two years in a row and now with a bit of luck could be in another championship final! :D :D

Now now...

Loughinisland's transfer strategy has been geared to bedding down a squad for this season and establishing some consistency. They've utlised a rotation system so far in the league and are still fresh as we come into the critical closing stages.


I think the director of football at St. Macartan's park has done a superb job. No doubt other teams, such as Castlewellan, who have not been quite so successful in the transfer market will be monitoring the situation closely, waiting to pounce if they sense the opportunity to take him into their boardroom.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on August 25, 2009, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on August 25, 2009, 09:20:56 AM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 24, 2009, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 24, 2009, 09:01:06 PM
Simi final Draw

Kilcoo v Burren
Clonduff v Loughinisland

Kilcoo Burren should be a great game. McKernan missing for Burren so i would give Kilcoo the nod here. As for the Loughinisland Clonduff game, dont have a clue what will happen Clonduff beat them twice in the league, but loughinisland never had a full team. Bit of a biased prediction, but going to say Loughinisland by 2. Think its absolutely hilarious that Loughinisland have got the easiest draw they could have two years in a row and now with a bit of luck could be in another championship final! :D :D

Mid down gael stated the same thing a few pages ago. Are you also suffering from the early dementia? Fully accept this years draw has been kind and although Clonduff will be favourites on current form, Burren and Kilcoo would be, looking at it objectively, the tougher draw.

However, those with short memory's seem to forget that when we beat Rostrevor and Burren on the way to the final last year they were (excepting Mayobridge) many peoples pick to win it on this board. I am assuming by your post you must consider Burren and Rostrevor easy touches.

No not early dementia, I just don't sit glued to this site and read every single post like a twat ;D
Well last year we beat a poor Rostrevor side and were unbelievebly lucky against Burren, two, if not three, of them goals were as lucky as you could get. At the end of the day we were still in the final, but its laughable to think that Loughinisland could be in another final, given the terrible league form so far! And this coming from a Loughinisland man :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on August 25, 2009, 07:00:23 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 25, 2009, 05:49:39 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 24, 2009, 10:59:06 PM
Think its absolutely hilarious that Loughinisland have got the easiest draw they could have two years in a row and now with a bit of luck could be in another championship final! :D :D

Now now...

Loughinisland's transfer strategy has been geared to bedding down a squad for this season and establishing some consistency. They've utlised a rotation system so far in the league and are still fresh as we come into the critical closing stages.


I think the director of football at St. Macartan's park has done a superb job. No doubt other teams, such as Castlewellan, who have not been quite so successful in the transfer market will be monitoring the situation closely, waiting to pounce if they sense the opportunity to take him into their boardroom.

Well after several busy years in the transfer market, we decided to make no big name transfers this year. The philosophy of signing big names hasn't really paid of so far, so went for a different approach this year :D With the credit crunch and all that we can't afford to be splashing out! :o So instead of buying new players, we are simply offering bigger win bonuses to the current squad :D :D Didnt really pay of in the league, with boys injured and our big names out on county duty, but they're all coming back now to form a steady team. The morale has picked up and with a bit of luck we could go on to to lift the championship!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 25, 2009, 08:24:37 PM
Kilclief shock Attical by a point (1-10 to 1-09) tonight in the IFC Quarter Final in Dundrum.

Thats Kilclief, Ballymartin, Darragh Cross and Ardglass in to the IFC semis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 25, 2009, 08:33:22 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 25, 2009, 08:24:37 PM
Kilclief shock Attical by a point (1-10 to 1-09) tonight in the IFC Quarter Final in Dundrum.

Thats Kilclief, Ballymartin, Darragh Cross and Ardglass in to the IFC semis.

Was the draw made after it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 25, 2009, 08:36:35 PM
Was made after it (DF Your a part timer) Kilclief v Darragh Cross, Ardglass v Ballymartin.
Entertaining game in Dundrum tonight, Atticall steaming into a big lead 1-06 to 0-03 after 25 minutes. However, they could only muster 3 points for the rest of the match.Our tight pitch really suits Kilclief, perhaps why they have being so successful on it over the years. They showed great belief and battling qualities too come back into it, ingredients needed for championship football.
Some more colourful language from the Kilclief faithful tonight  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 25, 2009, 09:29:35 PM
Its a pity that Kilclief and Ardglass were kept apart, that would have been interesting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 25, 2009, 09:41:32 PM
Prediction league update

Bacon still out in front with 24
Souljaboy, 23
DownFanatic, 22
eyeswideopen, 22
Johnnie99, 22

Prediction for Quarter finals only
Souljaboy on his own with 9 



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 25, 2009, 11:06:29 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 25, 2009, 09:29:35 PM
Its a pity that Kilclief and Ardglass were kept apart, that would have been interesting

Would make a great final!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on August 25, 2009, 11:07:50 PM
any reason why the junior draw hasnt been released??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 25, 2009, 11:18:13 PM
Think the Junior draw will be announced after Bosco v Glenn's game on Sat week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GaelicGames.In on August 26, 2009, 02:35:30 AM
Hi there,
I'm trying to put together a list of all the recent Down hurlers and their clubs. Can any one help by adding in the first names and the clubs? The list so far is on:
http://www.gaainfo.com/county.php?co=down

Graham   Clarke
D   Byers
S   Murray
J   Trainor
Gabriel   Clarke
G   Savage_2000s
S   Wilson
G   Adair
G   Gordon
G   McGrattan
B   Braniff
M   Craig
N   Sands_2000s
P   Braniff_2000s
L   Clarke
J   Caughey
T   Coulter
P   Monan
M   Braniff
M   Coulter
J   McGrattan
T   Masterson
B   Coulter_2000s
P   Mallon
G   Clarke_2000s
E   Trainor
T   McMahon
B   Coleman
J   Brown
JH   Hughes
M   Pucci
P   Coulter_2000s
A   Dynes
D   McCusker
E   Clarke
G   Johnson
S   Clarke
E   Dorrian
B   Milligan
M   Coulter_Jnr
M   Coulter_Snr
A   Savage
J   Convery
B   McGourty
P   Hughes
R   Conlon
A   Bell
P   Smith
J   McCusker
D   Flynn
J   Doherty
C   Coulter
R   Murray
M   Ennis
C   Courtney
A   McGuinness
E   McGuinness
N   Courtney
D   Coffey
H   Torney
S   Roddy
K   Courtney
R   McGrattan
Paul   Braniff
C   Sloan
F   Conway
S   Ennis
J   Murphy
E   Trainor
C   McManus
B   Ennis
K   McGarry
C   Woods
J   Coyle
C   O'Prey
S   Johnson
A   Higgins
K   Maxwell
O   Clarke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BaileChoinnleoraPlayer on August 26, 2009, 04:15:57 AM
Quote from: umpire on August 25, 2009, 11:18:13 PM
Think the Junior draw will be announced after Bosco v Glenn's game on Sat week.

who cares, i hate to say it but glenn are gonna walk it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BaileChoinnleoraPlayer on August 26, 2009, 04:20:40 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 25, 2009, 02:27:59 PM
Quote from: No1 on August 25, 2009, 02:20:17 PM
  Things are bad when a fluent Ulster Scots speaker and a Ballykinlar wannabe are giving out about our educational standards!   ;D

What's that all about?  ???

yeah what is that all about???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 26, 2009, 07:49:28 AM
QuoteGraham Clarke Ballygalget
D   Byers
Stephen   Murray Portaferry
Jerome Trainor Portaferry
Gabriel   Clarke Ballygalget
Gary Savage_2000s Ballycran
Simon Wilson Ballycran
Gerard  Adair Portaferry
G   Gordon
Gerard McGrattan Portaferry
B   Braniff
M   Craig
Noel   Sands_2000s Portaferry
Paul   Braniff_2000s Portaferry
Liam   Clarke Ballygalget
John   Caughey Ballycran
T   Coulter
Paddy Monan Ballygalget
Mick   Braniff Ballycran
Martin   Coulter Ballygalget
Johnny   McGrattan Ballygalget
Terence   Masterson Ballycran
B   Coulter_2000s
P   Mallon
Gabriel   Clarke_2000s Ballygalget
Eamon or Emmett? Trainor Portaferry
Tom   McMahon Darragh Cross
Barry   Coleman Portaferry
John   Brown Liatroim
James Henry   Hughes Ballycran
Michael   Pucci Ballygalget
Paddy   Coulter_2000s Ballygalget
Aaron   Dynes Ballygalget
Dan   McCusker Ballela
Eoin   Clarke Ballygalget
Gareth   Johnson Ballygalget
Stephen   Clarke Ballygalget
Emmett  Dorrian Ballygalget
B   Milligan Portaferry
Martin   Coulter_Jnr Ballygalget
Martin   Coulter_Snr Ballygalget
Andy   Savage
John   Convery Portaferry
Brendan McGourty Ballycran
Paddy   Hughes Ballycran
R   Conlon
Andrew   Bell
P   Smith
Jonathon   McCusker Ballela
D   Flynn
John   Doherty Ballycran
Ciaran   Coulter Portaferry
Richard  Murray Portaferry
Michael   Ennis
Ciaran   Courtney Newry Shamrocks
Arty   McGuinness Newry Shamrocks
Eoin   McGuinness Newry Shamrocks
N   Courtney
D   Coffey Portaferry
Hugh?   Torney Ballycran
Seamus   Roddy Ballygalget
Keiran   Courtney [same as Ciaran above]
Ruairi   McGrattan
Paul   Braniff
Ciaran   Sloan Kilclief
Fintan   Conway Kilcief
S   Ennis
John   Murphy Clonduff
Eamon or Emmett?   Trainor Portaferry
C   McManus
Benny   Ennis Ballycran
Kevin   McGarry Portaferry
Connor   Woods Ballycran
James   Coyle Ballycran
Connor   O'Prey Portaferry
Stephen  Johnson Ballygalget
Alan   Higgins Warrenpoint
Karl   Maxwell Warrenpoint
Owen?   Clarke [Same ae Eoin Clarke above?]

I've filled in some of the blanks for you. I'm sure others can get the rest and correct my mistakes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downboy on August 26, 2009, 08:41:26 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 26, 2009, 07:49:28 AM
QuoteGraham Clarke Ballygalget
D   Byers
Stephen   Murray Portaferry
Jerome Trainor Portaferry
Gabriel   Clarke Ballygalget
Gary Savage_2000s Ballycran
Simon Wilson Ballycran 
Gerard  Adair Portaferry
G   Gordon
Gerard McGrattan Portaferry
Brian  Braniff Portaferry
Martin  Craig Kilclief
Noel   Sands_2000s Portaferry
Paul   Braniff_2000s Portaferry
Liam   Clarke Ballygalget
John   Caughey Ballycran
T   Coulter
Paddy Monan Ballygalget
Mick   Braniff Ballycran
Martin   Coulter Ballygalget
Johnny   McGrattan Ballygalget
Terence   Masterson Ballycran
B   Coulter_2000s
P   Mallon
Gabriel   Clarke_2000s Ballygalget
Eamon or Emmett? Trainor Portaferry
Tom   McMahon Darragh Cross
Barry   Coleman Portaferry
John   Brown Liatroim
James Henry   Hughes Ballycran
Michael   Pucci Ballygalget
Paddy   Coulter_2000s Ballygalget
Aaron   Dynes Ballygalget
Dan   McCusker Ballela
Eoin   Clarke Ballygalget
Gareth   Johnson Ballygalget
Stephen   Clarke Ballygalget
Emmett  Dorrian Ballygalget
Barry   Milligan Portaferry
Martin   Coulter_Jnr Ballygalget
Martin   Coulter_Snr Ballygalget
Andy   Savage Ballycran
John   Convery Portaferry
Brendan McGourty Ballycran
Paddy   Hughes Ballycran
R   Conlon
Andrew   Bell Ballycran
P   Smith
Jonathon   McCusker Ballela
D   Flynn
John   Doherty Ballycran
Ciaran   Coulter Portaferry
Richard  Murray Portaferry
Michael   Ennis
Ciaran   Courtney Newry Shamrocks
Arty   McGuinness Newry Shamrocks
Eoin   McGuinness Newry Shamrocks
N   Courtney
D   Coffey Portaferry
Hugh?   Torney Ballycran
Seamus   Roddy Ballygalget
Keiran   Courtney [same as Ciaran above]
Ruairi   McGrattan Portaferry
Paul   Braniff Portaferry
Ciaran   Sloan Kilclief
Fintan   Conway Kilcief
S   Ennis
John   Murphy Clonduff
Eamon or Emmett?   Trainor Portaferry
C   McManus
Benny   Ennis Ballycran
Kevin   McGarry Portaferry
Connor   Woods Ballycran
James   Coyle Ballycran
Connor   O'Prey Portaferry
Stephen  Johnson Ballygalget
Alan   Higgins Warrenpoint
Karl   Maxwell Warrenpoint
Owen?   Clarke [Same ae Eoin Clarke above?]

I've filled in some of the blanks for you. I'm sure others can get the rest and correct my mistakes.
Added a few more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goalswingames on August 26, 2009, 08:49:09 AM
Graham Clarke Ballygalget
D   Byers
Stephen   Murray Portaferry
Jerome Trainor Portaferry
Gabriel   Clarke Ballygalget
Gary Savage_2000s Ballycran
Simon Wilson Ballycran
Gerard  Adair Portaferry
G   Gordon
Gerard McGrattan Portaferry
Brian  Braniff Portaferry
Martin  Craig Kilclief
Noel   Sands_2000s Portaferry
Paul   Braniff_2000s Portaferry
Liam   Clarke Ballygalget
John   Caughey Ballycran
T   Coulter
Paddy Monan Ballygalget
Mick   Braniff Ballycran
Martin   Coulter Ballygalget
Johnny   McGrattan Ballygalget
Terence   Masterson Ballycran
B   Coulter_2000s
P   Mallon
Gabriel   Clarke_2000s Ballygalget
Eamon or Emmett? Trainor Portaferry
Tom   McMahon Darragh Cross
Barry   Coleman Portaferry
John   Brown Liatroim
James Henry   Hughes Ballycran
Michael   Pucci Ballygalget
Paddy   Coulter_2000s Ballygalget
Aaron   Dynes Ballygalget
Dan   McCusker Ballela
Eoin   Clarke Ballygalget
Gareth   Johnson Ballygalget
Stephen   Clarke Ballygalget
Emmett  Dorrian Ballygalget
Barry   Milligan Portaferry
Martin   Coulter_Jnr Ballygalget
Martin   Coulter_Snr Ballygalget
Andy   Savage Ballycran
John   Convery Portaferry
Brendan McGourty Ballycran
Paddy   Hughes Ballycran
R   Conlon
Andrew   Bell Ballycran
P   Smith
Jonathon   McCusker Ballela
D   Flynn
John   Doherty Ballycran
Ciaran   Coulter Portaferry
Richard  Murray Portaferry
Michael   Ennis Ballycran
Ciaran   Courtney Newry Shamrocks
Arty   McGuinness Newry Shamrocks
Eoin   McGuinness Newry Shamrocks
N   Courtney
D   Coffey Portaferry
Hugh?   Torney Ballycran
Seamus   Roddy Ballygalget
Keiran   Courtney [same as Ciaran above]
Ruairi   McGrattan Portaferry
Paul   Braniff Portaferry
Ciaran   Sloan Kilclief
Fintan   Conway Kilcief
Sean  Ennis Ballycran
John   Murphy Clonduff
Eamon or Emmett?   Trainor Portaferry
C   McManus
Benny   Ennis Ballycran
Kevin   McGarry Portaferry
Connor   Woods Ballycran
James   Coyle Ballycran
Connor   O'Prey Portaferry
Stephen  Johnson Ballygalget
Alan   Higgins Warrenpoint
Karl   Maxwell Warrenpoint
Owen?   Clarke [Same ae Eoin Clarke above?]

added a couple
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 26, 2009, 08:50:38 AM
Quote from: BaileChoinnleoraPlayer on August 26, 2009, 04:15:57 AM
Quote from: umpire on August 25, 2009, 11:18:13 PM
Think the Junior draw will be announced after Bosco v Glenn's game on Sat week.

who cares, i hate to say it but glenn are gonna walk it

obviously, even though they could only draw with Bosco!!  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 26, 2009, 09:24:33 AM
I am amazed that the legend that is Neil Sharvin from Kilclief has been left off the list of recent Down hurlers.   ;D

DF and Baile, calm yourselves.  Are yiz not all the one parish anyhow?   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 26, 2009, 10:17:17 AM
Quote from: No1 on August 26, 2009, 09:24:33 AM
I am amazed that the legend that is Neil Sharvin from Kilclief has been left off the list of recent Down hurlers.   ;D

DF and Baile, calm yourselves.  Are yiz not all the one parish anyhow?   ;)
the way things are going soon be one team.....
unless the boys get back from afganistan quick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 26, 2009, 10:22:10 AM
With the flat tracks bullies like Ballyholland, Downpatrick and Atticall not going to get in the way, the IFC should be a very interesting competition this year. Of the four, only Ballymartin have won this title before (1993). All four teams will really believe they can win it.

Ballymartin would be marginal favourites in terms of personnel, but I'd imagine that Kilclief's strong, experienced team are the ones to beat as we move towards winter football.

No.1 will be delighted to get my vote.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 26, 2009, 10:24:38 AM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 25, 2009, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on August 25, 2009, 09:20:56 AM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 24, 2009, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 24, 2009, 09:01:06 PM
Simi final Draw

Kilcoo v Burren
Clonduff v Loughinisland

Kilcoo Burren should be a great game. McKernan missing for Burren so i would give Kilcoo the nod here. As for the Loughinisland Clonduff game, dont have a clue what will happen Clonduff beat them twice in the league, but loughinisland never had a full team. Bit of a biased prediction, but going to say Loughinisland by 2. Think its absolutely hilarious that Loughinisland have got the easiest draw they could have two years in a row and now with a bit of luck could be in another championship final! :D :D

Mid down gael stated the same thing a few pages ago. Are you also suffering from the early dementia? Fully accept this years draw has been kind and although Clonduff will be favourites on current form, Burren and Kilcoo would be, looking at it objectively, the tougher draw.

However, those with short memory's seem to forget that when we beat Rostrevor and Burren on the way to the final last year they were (excepting Mayobridge) many peoples pick to win it on this board. I am assuming by your post you must consider Burren and Rostrevor easy touches.

No not early dementia, I just don't sit glued to this site and read every single post like a t**t ;D
Well last year we beat a poor Rostrevor side and were unbelievebly lucky against Burren, two, if not three, of them goals were as lucky as you could get. At the end of the day we were still in the final, but its laughable to think that Loughinisland could be in another final, given the terrible league form so far! And this coming from a Loughinisland man :D

Why join the site in the first place and start to post on it if it's for t**ts?  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 26, 2009, 11:09:13 AM

Graham Clarke Ballygalget
Donal   Byers Ballygalget
Stephen   Murray Portaferry
Jerome Trainor Portaferry
Gabriel   Clarke Ballygalget
Gary Savage_2000s Ballycran
Simon Wilson Ballycran
Gerard  Adair Portaferry
Gary   Gordon Portaferry
Gerard McGrattan Portaferry
Brian  Braniff Portaferry
Martin  Craig Kilclief
Noel   Sands_2000s Portaferry
Paul   Braniff_2000s Portaferry
Liam   Clarke Ballygalget
John   Caughey Ballycran
Tom (Martin Snr)   Coulter Ballygalget
Paddy Monan Ballygalget
Mick   Braniff Ballycran  (The only blood sub to ever get sent off)
Martin   Coulter Ballygalget
Johnny   McGrattan Ballygalget
Terence   Masterson Ballycran
Barry   Coulter_2000s Ballygalget
Peter   Mallon Portaferry
Gabriel   Clarke_2000s Ballygalget
Emmett Trainor Portaferry
Tom   McMahon Darragh Cross
Barry   Coleman Portaferry
John   Brown Liatroim
James Henry   Hughes Ballycran
Michael   Pucci Ballygalget
Paddy   Coulter_2000s Ballygalget
Aaron   Dynes Ballygalget
Dan   McCusker Ballela
Eoin   Clarke Ballygalget
Gareth   Johnson Ballygalget
Stephen   Clarke Ballygalget
Emmett  Dorrian Ballygalget
Barry   Milligan Portaferry
Martin   Coulter_Jnr Ballygalget
Martin   Coulter_Snr Ballygalget (see Tom)
Andy   Savage Ballycran
John   Convery Portaferry
Brendan McGourty Ballycran
Paddy   Hughes Ballycran
Ryan   Conlon Portaferry
Andrew   Bell Ballycran
Paul   Smith Portaferry
Jonathon   McCusker Ballela
Darren   Flynn Ballygalget
John   Doherty Ballycran
Ciaran   Coulter Portaferry
Richard  Murray Portaferry
Michael   Ennis Ballycran
Ciaran   Courtney Newry Shamrocks
Arty   McGuinness Newry Shamrocks
Eoin   McGuinness Newry Shamrocks
N   Courtney
David   Coffey Portaferry
Hugh   Torney Ballycran
Seamus   Roddy Ballygalget
Keiran   Courtney [same as Ciaran above]
Ruairi   McGrattan Portaferry
Paul   Braniff Portaferry
Ciaran   Sloan Kilclief
Fintan   Conway Kilcief
Sean  Ennis Ballycran
John   Murphy Clonduff
Emmett?   Trainor Portaferry
Colm   McManus Ballycran
Benny   Ennis Ballycran
Kevin   McGarry Portaferry
Connor   Woods Ballycran
James   Coyle Ballycran
Connor   O'Prey Portaferry
Stephen  Johnson Ballygalget
Alan   Higgins Warrenpoint
Karl   Maxwell Warrenpoint
Owen?   Clarke [Same ae Eoin Clarke above?]

Gareth Johnston Ballygalget
Stephen Johnston Ballygalget
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downexile1 on August 26, 2009, 11:21:49 AM
fair play to kilclief,,any 4 of the teams left in intermediate will believe they can win,,even ardglass!!! any truth that frank dawson has threw his name into the down football managerial role! the man hasnt a bad record, ulster with down hurling seniors (their last one), champ with clonduff and nearly with the stone!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 26, 2009, 11:27:55 AM
QuoteGraham Clarke Ballygalget
Donal   Byers Ballygalget
Stephen   Murray Portaferry
Jerome Trainor Portaferry
Gabriel   Clarke Ballygalget
Gary Savage_2000s Ballycran
Simon Wilson Ballycran
Gerard  Adair Portaferry
Gary   Gordon Portaferry
Gerard McGrattan Portaferry
Brian  Braniff Portaferry
Martin  Craig Kilclief
Noel   Sands_2000s Portaferry
Paul   Braniff_2000s Portaferry
Liam   Clarke Ballygalget
John   Caughey Ballycran
Tom (Martin Snr)   Coulter Ballygalget
Paddy Monan Ballygalget
Mick   Braniff Ballycran  (The only blood sub to ever get sent off)
Martin   Coulter Ballygalget
Johnny   McGrattan Ballygalget
Terence   Masterson Ballycran
Barry   Coulter_2000s Ballygalget
Peter   Mallon Portaferry
Gabriel   Clarke_2000s Ballygalget
Emmett Trainor Portaferry
Tom   McMahon Darragh Cross
Barry   Coleman Portaferry
John   Brown Liatroim
James Henry   Hughes Ballycran
Michael   Pucci Ballygalget
Paddy   Coulter_2000s Ballygalget
Aaron   Dynes Ballygalget
Dan   McCusker Ballela
Eoin   Clarke Ballygalget
Gareth   Johnson Ballygalget
Stephen   Clarke Ballygalget
Emmett  Dorrian Ballygalget
Barry   Milligan Portaferry
Martin   Coulter_Jnr Ballygalget
Martin   Coulter_Snr Ballygalget (see Tom)
Andy   Savage Ballycran
John   Convery Portaferry
Brendan McGourty Ballycran
Paddy   Hughes Ballycran
Ryan   Conlon Portaferry
Andrew   Bell Ballycran
Paul   Smith Portaferry
Jonathon   McCusker Ballela
Darren   Flynn Ballygalget
John   Doherty Ballycran
Ciaran   Coulter Portaferry
Richard  Murray Portaferry
Michael   Ennis Ballycran
Ciaran   Courtney Newry Shamrocks
Arty   McGuinness Newry Shamrocks
Eoin   McGuinness Newry Shamrocks
N   Courtney
David   Coffey Portaferry
Hugh   Torney Ballycran
Seamus   Roddy Ballygalget
Keiran   Courtney [same as Ciaran above]
Ruairi   McGrattan Portaferry
Paul   Braniff Portaferry
Ciaran   Sloan Kilclief
Fintan   Conway Kilcief
Sean  Ennis Ballycran
John   Murphy Clonduff
Emmett?   Trainor Portaferry
Colm   McManus Ballycran
Benny   Ennis Ballycran
Kevin   McGarry Portaferry
Connor   Woods Ballycran
James   Coyle Ballycran
Connor   O'Prey Portaferry
Stephen  Johnson Ballygalget
Alan   Higgins Warrenpoint
Karl   Maxwell Warrenpoint
Owen?   Clarke [Same ae Eoin Clarke above?]

Gareth Johnston Ballygalget
Stephen Johnston Ballygalget

I'll add these boys then:

Neil Sharvin  (Kilclief)

Karol Shields (Kilclief) - Dropped shortly after borrowing the manager's shoes to get into the Carrickdale on the way home from a match.   :D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downboy on August 26, 2009, 11:34:32 AM
Did young Burke from Kilclief not also hurl for the County at one stage?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 26, 2009, 11:37:06 AM
How could I forget Donal Byers?? He's given me his name often enough.  :D

When did Darren Flynn play for the county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 26, 2009, 12:12:47 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 26, 2009, 11:37:06 AM
How could I forget Donal Byers?? He's given me his name often enough.  :D

When did Darren Flynn play for the county?

He is currently on the squad but gets limited game time.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on August 26, 2009, 12:15:18 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 26, 2009, 10:24:38 AM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 25, 2009, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on August 25, 2009, 09:20:56 AM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 24, 2009, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 24, 2009, 09:01:06 PM
Simi final Draw

Kilcoo v Burren
Clonduff v Loughinisland

Kilcoo Burren should be a great game. McKernan missing for Burren so i would give Kilcoo the nod here. As for the Loughinisland Clonduff game, dont have a clue what will happen Clonduff beat them twice in the league, but loughinisland never had a full team. Bit of a biased prediction, but going to say Loughinisland by 2. Think its absolutely hilarious that Loughinisland have got the easiest draw they could have two years in a row and now with a bit of luck could be in another championship final! :D :D

Mid down gael stated the same thing a few pages ago. Are you also suffering from the early dementia? Fully accept this years draw has been kind and although Clonduff will be favourites on current form, Burren and Kilcoo would be, looking at it objectively, the tougher draw.

However, those with short memory's seem to forget that when we beat Rostrevor and Burren on the way to the final last year they were (excepting Mayobridge) many peoples pick to win it on this board. I am assuming by your post you must consider Burren and Rostrevor easy touches.

No not early dementia, I just don't sit glued to this site and read every single post like a t**t ;D
Well last year we beat a poor Rostrevor side and were unbelievebly lucky against Burren, two, if not three, of them goals were as lucky as you could get. At the end of the day we were still in the final, but its laughable to think that Loughinisland could be in another final, given the terrible league form so far! And this coming from a Loughinisland man :D

Why join the site in the first place and start to post on it if it's for t**ts?  ::)

You cant just make things up dundrumite. Where did I say this site was for twats?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lroberts680 on August 26, 2009, 12:17:01 PM
What are all of the Down Underage Hurling fixtures for the upcoming week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 26, 2009, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: lroberts680 on August 26, 2009, 12:17:01 PM
What are all of the Down Underage Hurling fixtures for the upcoming week?

Castlewellan v Bredagh u16 semi final in Castlewellan Thursday.
U14A Final on Monday 6.00pm Ballycran - Ballygalget v Portaferry.

That's all I know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lroberts680 on August 26, 2009, 01:30:10 PM
Thanks, its just that the local newspapers dont give hurling fixtures.
Title: FAO thewobbler
Post by: No1 on August 26, 2009, 02:35:37 PM
Will you for f**k sake stop predicting victories for either Kilclief or Down Minors.

You must have money on Darragh Cross and Mayo ye hoor ye.

;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 26, 2009, 02:38:11 PM
Quote from: No1 on August 26, 2009, 11:27:55 AM
[

I'll add these boys then:

Neil Sharvin  (Kilclief)

Karol Shields (Kilclief) - Dropped shortly after borrowing the manager's shoes to get into the Carrickdale on the way home from a match.   :D

Had to think who Neil Sharvin was then it came to me in a blinding flash, it's the bold Goozer, who had the misfortune of letting in 7 goals against Waterford but by all accounts it was shooting in and he made some fine saves to keep the score from really getting out of hand.
I suppose he's better known in hurling circles for his umpiring prowess these days and is on Ger Loughnanes christmas card list.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on August 26, 2009, 03:19:59 PM
Quote from: lroberts680 on August 26, 2009, 01:30:10 PM
Thanks, its just that the local newspapers dont give hurling fixtures.


The only hurling fixtures/results you'll find in the Newry Reporter are for senior hurling and the reason for that is very simple, that's all we're sent - we get neither fixtures nor results for underage hurling in Down...and we have requested them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downboy on August 26, 2009, 03:33:30 PM
Poor excuse from the Newry reporter. Could you not use some investigative journalism and buy the irish news on a Tuesday and copy them?? ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 26, 2009, 03:47:16 PM
QuoteHad to think who Neil Sharvin was then it came to me in a blinding flash, it's the bold Goozer, who had the misfortune of letting in 7 goals against Waterford but by all accounts it was shooting in and he made some fine saves to keep the score from really getting out of hand.
I suppose he's better known in hurling circles for his umpiring prowess these days and is on Ger Loughnanes christmas card list.

Are you trying to distance yourself from that particular result?   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 26, 2009, 03:51:10 PM
Quote from: No1 on August 26, 2009, 03:47:16 PM
QuoteHad to think who Neil Sharvin was then it came to me in a blinding flash, it's the bold Goozer, who had the misfortune of letting in 7 goals against Waterford but by all accounts it was shooting in and he made some fine saves to keep the score from really getting out of hand.
I suppose he's better known in hurling circles for his umpiring prowess these days and is on Ger Loughnanes christmas card list.

Are you trying to distance yourself from that particular result?   ;)

I certainly am as our club was in preparation for an AI club semi-final and none of our lads took part.
I need to apologise as it was only 5 goals that day.
Final score 5-14 to 0-4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on August 26, 2009, 04:33:59 PM
Quote from: Downboy on August 26, 2009, 03:33:30 PM
Poor excuse from the Newry reporter. Could you not use some investigative journalism and buy the irish news on a Tuesday and copy them?? ;)

Ah...very good. Did that one week right enough a while ago but then asked why they could be sent to the Irish News and not us. Got them the next week and that was it.  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 26, 2009, 05:00:00 PM
Taken from the Castlewellan Website


Castlewellan News

Theft from Club Changing Rooms

Cathoirleach

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


St Malachy's GAC Castlewellan wish to put on record our deep concern and regret about the recent theft of personal items including cash from a number of Loughinisland players taking part in the SFC quarter final game against An Riocht in St Malachy's Park Castlewellan on Saturday evening 22nd August.

We are at a loss to explain how this could have occurred in view of the security deployed by our club with 4 stewards assigned to the task of securing the changing rooms and ensuring they were locked at all times when both teams were on the pitch. We can state categorically that no persons gained access to the property via the entrance doors during the duration of the game.

Having inspected the building after the theft was reported we can confirm that small ventilation windows to the rear of the changing rooms overlooking the adjoining timber yard may present an opportunity for intruders to gain access, with some difficulty, although we cannot be sure of this.

We have reported this matter to the PSNI and will continue to co-operate with their investigations into the incident. We have received information about some youths seen scaling a wall adjacent to the timber yard from Newcastle Road during the game and would appeal to any persons with any knowledge about this or about the theft to contact the PSNI.

We will continue to review the security of our premises to ensure incidents of this nature do not reoccur but would remind players and officials that cash and personal items such as watches mobile phones etc are the responsibility of the owners and not St Malachy's GAC and should not be left unattended during games.

We regret very much that this has happened and that this will have marred for the players concerned their enjoyment of winning this crucial quarter final decider.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lroberts680 on August 26, 2009, 07:25:22 PM
Any updates from the Castlewellan vs Ballyvarley match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lroberts680 on August 26, 2009, 07:50:43 PM
Sorry for the last post. Castlewellan winning by 4 at half time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 26, 2009, 07:56:59 PM
Could be a surprise on the cards!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lroberts680 on August 26, 2009, 08:13:09 PM
Castlewellan Hurling has definetly turned a corner this year with a new managerial team. U16's in Championship semi and one win of the league (does anybody have an up to date league table), U14 in shield Final next week. Very good to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 26, 2009, 08:49:07 PM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 26, 2009, 12:15:18 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 26, 2009, 10:24:38 AM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 25, 2009, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on August 25, 2009, 09:20:56 AM
Quote from: niveaformen on August 24, 2009, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 24, 2009, 09:01:06 PM
Simi final Draw

Kilcoo v Burren
Clonduff v Loughinisland

Kilcoo Burren should be a great game. McKernan missing for Burren so i would give Kilcoo the nod here. As for the Loughinisland Clonduff game, dont have a clue what will happen Clonduff beat them twice in the league, but loughinisland never had a full team. Bit of a biased prediction, but going to say Loughinisland by 2. Think its absolutely hilarious that Loughinisland have got the easiest draw they could have two years in a row and now with a bit of luck could be in another championship final! :D :D

Mid down gael stated the same thing a few pages ago. Are you also suffering from the early dementia? Fully accept this years draw has been kind and although Clonduff will be favourites on current form, Burren and Kilcoo would be, looking at it objectively, the tougher draw.

However, those with short memory's seem to forget that when we beat Rostrevor and Burren on the way to the final last year they were (excepting Mayobridge) many peoples pick to win it on this board. I am assuming by your post you must consider Burren and Rostrevor easy touches.

No not early dementia, I just don't sit glued to this site and read every single post like a t**t ;D
Well last year we beat a poor Rostrevor side and were unbelievebly lucky against Burren, two, if not three, of them goals were as lucky as you could get. At the end of the day we were still in the final, but its laughable to think that Loughinisland could be in another final, given the terrible league form so far! And this coming from a Loughinisland man :D

Why join the site in the first place and start to post on it if it's for t**ts?  ::)

You cant just make things up dundrumite. Where did I say this site was for t**ts?

Apologies, reading every post like a t**t. Surely that is each person's prerogative and the way to keep up to date with the Down aspect of the board without being branded a t**t.Indeed if you did so you would not be repeating earlier posts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 26, 2009, 09:05:19 PM
Dromara pipped Bright by a point in the replayed JFC Quarter final tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 26, 2009, 09:24:19 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 26, 2009, 09:05:19 PM
Dromara pipped Bright by a point in the replayed JFC Quarter final tonight.

Very enjoyable game. Dromara kept their cool under pressure in the 2nd half and did well to hold out.

Without wanting to disrespect Dromara, the team that gets them in the Semi Finals are guaranteed a place in the Final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on August 26, 2009, 10:06:10 PM
Quote from: lroberts680 on August 26, 2009, 08:18:56 PM
Castlewellan 3:13 - 3:7 Ballyvarley. Mass brawl involving players, managers and spectators.

knew ballyvarley were never goin to win this when it was fixed for ballela; slow team on a big pitch was never goin to beat a team with a bit of pace. dont know what the brawl was all about, when i looked i seen more ballyvarley men fightin with each other than with boys from the town!!! would like to see castlewellan win it. their hurlins went to the dogs in the last five years or so and now there startin to get back in form.....good luck in the final!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 26, 2009, 10:35:39 PM
Prediction League update.
Still St John Bosoc v Glenn to be played, thats on Sat 5th Sept.

Should wait till Junior draw is made first before semi final prediction. 6 games.

Finals of SFC, IFC, JFC. PRFC, RFC and MFC, another 6 games.

Quarter Final leader board. one game outstanding.

1   9      Bacon
2   9      behind the wire
3   9      souljaboy
4   8      eyeswideopen
5   8      Johnnie99
6   8      marsbarkid
7   8      No1
8   7      DownFanatic
9   7      goalswingames
10   7      Green + Gold
11   7      Idontbelieveit
12   7      Iroberts680
13   7      Islandboy
14   7      Mid Down Gael
15   7      mourenrambler
16   7      off the laces
17   7      passedit
18   7      Supersub
19   7      TheClutch
20   7      thewobbler
21   7      Trevor Hill
22   7      True Blue
23   6      Bitta-Banter
24   6      BRIDGE LAD
25   6      Dubh driocht
26   6      dundroma
27   6      dunrumite
28   6      Fender
29   6      Fitroyalty
30   6      lfdown2
31   6      meatsy86
32   6      Niall Quinn
33   6      Square Ball
34   6      The Worker
35   5      amallon
36   5      D45
37   5      dodgy umpire
38   5      Down6061689194
39   5      general
40   5      minus15
41   5      Mourne Rover
42   5      Statto-Gael
43   5      stiff breeze
44   5      T O Hare
45   5      western exile
46   4      An Cloch Scoilte
47   4      Bredaghgael86
48   4      Brick Tamlin
49   4      cloneman
50   4      umpire
51   1      miss mess



Overall leaderboard


1   25      Bacon
2   23      DownFanatic
3   23      Johnnie99
4   23      souljaboy
5   22      eyeswideopen
6   22      goalswingames
7   22      Mid Down Gael
8   21      behind the wire
9   21      BRIDGE LAD
10   21      Dubh driocht
11   21      Green + Gold
12   21      No1
13   21      off the laces
14   21      thewobbler
15   21      True Blue
16   21      western exile
17   20      Down6061689194
18   20      Islandboy
19   20      marsbarkid
20   20      meatsy86
21   20      mourenrambler
22   20      Niall Quinn
23   20      Square Ball
24   20      TheClutch
25   19      Bitta-Banter
26   19      D45
27   19      dunrumite
28   19      Fitroyalty
29   19      general
30   19      minus15
31   19      Mourne Rover
32   19      The Worker
33   18      Bredaghgael86
34   18      cloneman
35   18      Fender
36   18      T O Hare
37   17      An Cloch Scoilte
38   17      dundroma
39   17      lfdown2
40   17      passedit
41   17      Statto-Gael
42   17      Supersub
43   17      Trevor Hill
44   17      umpire
45   16      bridgegael
46   16      dodgy umpire
47   15      amallon
48   15      Brick Tamlin
49   15      Leo
50   14      Blue Island
51   14      fred the ref
52   14      Irelands32
53   14      southdown
54   13      too long ref
55   13      waitingforsam
56   13      wobbller
57   12      centre 3/4s
58   12      goldenyears
59   12      miss mess
60   7      Idontbelieveit
61   7      Iroberts680
62   5      stiff breeze

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 26, 2009, 11:48:15 PM
good work umpire yet again. your head must be fried!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 26, 2009, 11:56:09 PM
Quote from: lroberts680 on August 26, 2009, 08:18:56 PM
Castlewellan 3:13 - 3:7 Ballyvarley. Mass brawl involving players, managers and spectators.

Great win for Castlewellan. I would have made Ballyvarley favorites to win the JHC this year. Castlewellan v Warrenpoint in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on August 27, 2009, 12:29:12 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 26, 2009, 11:56:09 PM
Quote from: lroberts680 on August 26, 2009, 08:18:56 PM
Castlewellan 3:13 - 3:7 Ballyvarley. Mass brawl involving players, managers and spectators.

Great win for Castlewellan. I would have made Ballyvarley favorites to win the JHC this year. Castlewellan v Warrenpoint in the final.

Thats the biggest exaggeration ive heard in a long time! ::)

The first half was entertaining enough with plenty of scores, Castlewellan did well to restrict the number of scorable frees conceded over the hour which Ballyvarley seem quite reliant on and only for conceding 1.1 near the death would have had an even more comfortable win.
Title: Re: Draft Proposals for Leagues
Post by: stpauls on August 27, 2009, 09:23:52 AM
Quote from: bredaghgael on January 25, 2009, 03:37:50 PM
   From the Assisant Secretary..Sean Rooney...........
Following the decision of County Convention on Sunday 14th December 2008 to adopt in principal the proposals of Coiste Cheannais Na gComórtaisí for the re-structuring of the adult football leagues the following mechanism is being proposed:

Year 1

The team that finishes in 1st place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play in their respective league finals.
The teams that finish in 2nd and 3rd place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play each other with the winner of this game progressing to their respective league finals.
The league winner only in Divisions 2, 3 and 4 will be promoted in this year.

The team that finishes bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will be automatically relegated.
The teams that finish 2nd, 3rd and 4th from the bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will play off with 2 of these 3 teams also being relegated in this year. (A draw will be made for the 1st play-off game and the loser of this game will play the 3rd team.)


Year 2

The team that finishes in 1st place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play in their respective league finals.
The teams that finish in 2nd and 3rd place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play each other with the winner of this game progressing to their respective league finals.
Both finalists in Division 2 will be promoted in this year.
The league winner only in Divisions 3 and 4 will be promoted in this year.

The team that finishes bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will be automatically relegated.
The teams that finish 2nd & 3rd from the bottom of Division 1 after the ordinary round stages will play each other with the loser also being relegated.
The teams that finish 2nd, 3rd and 4th from the bottom of Divisions 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will play off and 2 of these 3 teams will also be relegated in this year. (A draw will be made for the 1st play-off game and the loser of this game will play the 3rd team.)

Year 3

After 2 years Divisions 1 & 2 would have 10 teams each, Division 3 would have 12 teams and Division 4 would have 11 teams.
At this stage the team that finishes in 1st place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play in their respective league finals.
The teams that finish in 2nd and 3rd place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play each other with the winner of this game progressing to their respective league finals.
Both finalists in Divisions 2, 3 & 4 will be promoted thereafter.

The team that finishes bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will be automatically relegated.
The teams that finish 2nd & 3rd from the bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will play each other with the loser also being relegated.

In the event of any of the play-off games for promotion or relegation ending in a draw extra time of 10 minutes each way will be played.

can any one help me out here, have these proposals been passed, and if so, are they in effect from this year?
just trying to work out how the playoffs are going to pan out, eg relegation in Div 3 at the minute would be Aghaderg straight down, with ourselves, Teconnaught and Drumaness in the playoff. If it is year 1, say we are drawn against Drumaness, and we win, do we stay up and Drumaness go on to play Teconnaught. what happens then, would we have to play the winner of that game to see who stays up?

surely it would be a better plan for 2nd and 3rd bottom to play the first game, with the loser going down, and the winner going on to play the 4th bottom team to see who stays up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael on August 27, 2009, 02:59:41 PM
   Bredagh Talks Sam and Liam-Wellington Park Hotel @8.30pm Thurs 3rd Sept
Regular guest Joe Brolly will be joined this year by fellow Derry man and Antrim Football Manager Liam Bradley,
Armagh's Oisin Mc Conville,Radio Ulster's Lynnette Fay,Tyrone's Ryan Mc Menamin and Cork's All-Ireland Hurling winning Captain in 1990,RTE Hurling analyst Tomás Mulcahy.
Throw-in @ 8.30pm and MC for the event will be Jerome Quinn.

Tickets £10 to include entry to a draw for two All-Ireland Hurling Final tickets and two All-Ireland Football Final tickets
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 27, 2009, 03:30:26 PM
Have all Friday night's games been changed to Saturday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on August 27, 2009, 07:19:54 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 27, 2009, 03:30:26 PM
Have all Friday night's games been changed to Saturday?

Not all of them, ours is still on tomorrow night as far as I know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on August 27, 2009, 07:37:33 PM
If you finish top of the league, you should be champions, end of. If you finish bottom you should go down. Tell me one good reason why this isnt the case?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on August 27, 2009, 07:41:17 PM
Its all to do with the starred games. Its hardly fair asking teams to play games without the county players and getting relegated whilst on county duty. Its not the best scenario but its probably fairest to all concerned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 27, 2009, 09:21:02 PM
QuoteIf you finish top of the league, you should be champions, end of. If you finish bottom you should go down. Tell me one good reason why this isnt the case?

angermanagement has explained the reason behind the system, and here's the reason to keep it - having four way play-offs at the top and bottom means nearly every team has a reason to keep taking the league seriously right up the season's end.

Even with the current system, I've played in a few end-of-season matches with nothing at stake, and they really are a waste of time. I'd hate to imagine how many of those game would turn up if there were no play-offs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GaelicGames.In on August 28, 2009, 12:53:15 AM
Hi Lads,
Thanks for the help, who are these fellas?
Martin   Coulter_Jnr   Ballygalget      
Martin   Coulter_Snr   Ballygalget
Tom (Martin Snr)   Coulter   Ballygalget
are they all family? Or just fellas with the same name? Is there 3 of two fellas?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaahead2008 on August 28, 2009, 07:39:56 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on August 28, 2009, 12:19:27 AM
Word reaches me that my namesake made a complete eejit of himself tonight
at the county Board meeting.. To quote,as it was said to me "there is wiser locked up"

A laughing stock by all accounts. A decision was made a few weeks back, three years was enough for his management team. the sooner this man accepts this decision the better, he seems to be holding a grudge against several senior members of the board. he has now rallied round old foe to gain support - last night was the icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 28, 2009, 08:37:26 AM
Quote from: GaelicGames.In on August 28, 2009, 12:53:15 AM
Hi Lads,
Thanks for the help, who are these fellas?
Martin   Coulter_Jnr   Ballygalget      
Martin   Coulter_Snr   Ballygalget
Tom (Martin Snr)   Coulter   Ballygalget
are they all family? Or just fellas with the same name? Is there 3 of two fellas?

Johnneycool will explain.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on August 28, 2009, 08:58:43 AM
I am not surprised in the least by this behaviour at last night's meeting .I wonder at times about the wisdom of letting people address such meetings we had o'rourke pleading and now we have these clowns blaming everyone about Down's woes -referees and more!
Thankfully it is over no more of the clowns  !
We thanked them for their time and after all it is a job they wanted and so to talk about the effort they put in is nonsense why wouldn't they put effort into something they wanted but they must realise  nothing is forever and the clubs of Down have spoken - we do not want them.
In all seriousness a part of me  is glad they addressed the meeting because it lets everyone know how silly they are and it is really laughable and yes when I heard some of the things said I did laugh I'm sure most people did and I'm sure the odd good soul may have cried at the sheer patheticness of it all.



                                                            the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 28, 2009, 09:16:58 AM
Quote from: angermanagement on August 27, 2009, 07:41:17 PM
Its all to do with the starred games. Its hardly fair asking teams to play games without the county players and getting relegated whilst on county duty. Its not the best scenario but its probably fairest to all concerned.
If a team does not have at least 30% of the points of the top placed team in the league are they relegated without a play-off as in previous years or are they guaranteed a play-off regardless?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on August 28, 2009, 09:30:34 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on August 28, 2009, 12:19:27 AM
Word reaches me that my namesake made a complete eejit of himself tonight
at the county Board meeting.. To quote,as it was said to me "there is wiser locked up"

I don't understand this, Peter McDonnell won an ulster title with Armagh, Liam Sammon had Galway in third place in division 1 and they thanked all the players for the all the effort they put in, wished everyone good luck in the future and walked away.  Down managers have to go kicking and screaming.  They would be far better thanking everyone for the opportunity to manage for 3/4 years and wish the new manager success (having a moan about bad luck with injuries and the ref if they want).  They are like a couple of teenagers getting a knock back at the local disco that keep coming back for more  i.e.  they are starting to embarrassing themselves now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 28, 2009, 10:23:16 AM
Anybody care to tell us great unwashed what happened at the meeting?

We're not all in the inner circle.   ;D

I'd say tonight will be the last of the Friday night games, I hope the county board play the remaining games on Sundays instead of Saturdays.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JBD on August 28, 2009, 10:26:27 AM
Quote from: No1 on August 28, 2009, 10:23:16 AM
Anybody care to tell us great unwashed what happened at the meeting?

We're not all in the inner circle.   ;D

I'd say tonight will be the last of the Friday night games, I hope the county board play the remaining games on Sundays instead of Saturdays.

  Ross Carr last night was allowed to speak to the County Board meeting,he apparently said the reason they lost to Wicklow was solely the ref's fault.In his first year it was his late appointment,the next year it was injuries.He attempted to justify his reasons for leaving certain players out,lack of respect and commitment,he talked about red diesel,stormont non appearance,mentioned people from Monaghan and Cork who said he was always going to be sacked,he reportedly said that a member of staff in the Canal court told him tjis also,wasn't his fault Down didn't turn up for the opening of st John's pitch,accused the board of misappropriation of money ,Newcastle,He threatened everyone with the courts, if the ordinary Gaa process didn't get him justice.
  Maybe what I'm being told is  wrong but if this true it's "goodnight irene" for the county board by allowing a clown to say these things at their meeting.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 28, 2009, 10:46:09 AM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on August 28, 2009, 10:36:43 AM
Quote from: JBD on August 28, 2009, 10:26:27 AM
Quote from: No1 on August 28, 2009, 10:23:16 AM
Anybody care to tell us great unwashed what happened at the meeting?

We're not all in the inner circle.   ;D

I'd say tonight will be the last of the Friday night games, I hope the county board play the remaining games on Sundays instead of Saturdays.

  Ross Carr last night was allowed to speak to the County Board meeting,he apparently said the reason they lost to Wicklow was solely the ref's fault.In his first year it was his late appointment,the next year it was injuries.He attempted to justify his reasons for leaving certain players out,lack of respect and commitment,he talked about red diesel,stormont non appearance,mentioned people from Monaghan and Cork who said he was always going to be sacked,he reportedly said that a member of staff in the Canal court told him tjis also,wasn't his fault Down didn't turn up for the opening of st John's pitch,accused the board of misappropriation of money ,Newcastle,He threatened everyone with the courts, if the ordinary Gaa process didn't get him justice.
  Maybe what I'm being told is  wrong but if this true it's "goodnight irene" for the county board by allowing a clown to say these things at their meeting.
This sounds quite farcical, but totally expected as the County Chairman apparently made a vitriolic attack on Carr at previous meeting alluding to all the things you have listed so he probably felt he should have a forum to answer these allegations
It was time for Ross to go but County Mgt Committee gave no lead on this at all and the manner of Carrs sacking was handled disastrously.
Think Mr Bell should consider his position in light of this debacle
Kevin Bell has every right to voice an opinion at meetings,what right had Ross to address a County meeting and to attack everyone? As a previous poster
said,can Down Managers not leave when they had their chance and give someone else a go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 28, 2009, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: GaelicGames.In on August 28, 2009, 12:53:15 AM
Hi Lads,
Thanks for the help, who are these fellas?
Martin   Coulter_Jnr   Ballygalget      
Martin   Coulter_Snr   Ballygalget
Tom (Martin Snr)   Coulter   Ballygalget
are they all family? Or just fellas with the same name? Is there 3 of two fellas?

Martin Coulter snr and Tom are one and the same person. Martin jnr is a different person and goes by the nickname of dingy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redhandloo on August 28, 2009, 10:52:08 AM
Quote from: wobbller on August 28, 2009, 10:46:09 AM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on August 28, 2009, 10:36:43 AM
Quote from: JBD on August 28, 2009, 10:26:27 AM
Quote from: No1 on August 28, 2009, 10:23:16 AM
Anybody care to tell us great unwashed what happened at the meeting?

We're not all in the inner circle.   ;D

I'd say tonight will be the last of the Friday night games, I hope the county board play the remaining games on Sundays instead of Saturdays.

  Ross Carr last night was allowed to speak to the County Board meeting,he apparently said the reason they lost to Wicklow was solely the ref's fault.In his first year it was his late appointment,the next year it was injuries.He attempted to justify his reasons for leaving certain players out,lack of respect and commitment,he talked about red diesel,stormont non appearance,mentioned people from Monaghan and Cork who said he was always going to be sacked,he reportedly said that a member of staff in the Canal court told him tjis also,wasn't his fault Down didn't turn up for the opening of st John's pitch,accused the board of misappropriation of money ,Newcastle,He threatened everyone with the courts, if the ordinary Gaa process didn't get him justice.
  Maybe what I'm being told is  wrong but if this true it's "goodnight irene" for the county board by allowing a clown to say these things at their meeting.
This sounds quite farcical, but totally expected as the County Chairman apparently made a vitriolic attack on Carr at previous meeting alluding to all the things you have listed so he probably felt he should have a forum to answer these allegations
It was time for Ross to go but County Mgt Committee gave no lead on this at all and the manner of Carrs sacking was handled disastrously.
Think Mr Bell should consider his position in light of this debacle
Kevin Bell has every right to voice an opinion at meetings,what right had Ross to address a County meeting and to attack everyone? As a previous poster
said,can Down Managers not leave when they had their chance and give someone else a go?
This whole incident just seems to drag on and on.  If the man is judged on his results, then the case should be closed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on August 28, 2009, 11:30:44 AM
What was the mechanism that allowed him to address the county baord meeting after his appointment had been terminated?
It seems very unusual and if rules were bent to facilitate it who engineered this?
Can I come along and vent my anger at the next meeting?
If a cliub or clubs facilitated this by proxy then shame on them for subverting the overall good of Down for what appear to be selfish interests - if not vindictive and narrow purposes.
The sad part is that a management team of whom much was expected failed to deliver and do not appear now have the maturity or good grace to accept that and move on.
These histrionics give even more credibility to the view that emerged over recent months that the senior team was lacking leadership and divisivion was being created where solid Down unity was required.
Get the message, lads,  and don't tarnish your reputations, properly earned as fine players, any further.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on August 28, 2009, 01:28:48 PM
Quote from: Leo on August 28, 2009, 11:30:44 AM
What was the mechanism that allowed him to address the county baord meeting after his appointment had been terminated?
It seems very unusual and if rules were bent to facilitate it who engineered this?
Can I come along and vent my anger at the next meeting?
If a cliub or clubs facilitated this by proxy then shame on them for subverting the overall good of Down for what appear to be selfish interests - if not vindictive and narrow purposes.
The sad part is that a management team of whom much was expected failed to deliver and do not appear now have the maturity or good grace to accept that and move on.
These histrionics give even more credibility to the view that emerged over recent months that the senior team was lacking leadership and divisivion was being created where solid Down unity was required.
Get the message, lads,  and don't tarnish your reputations, properly earned as fine players, any further.
You have hit the nail on the head there leo  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lroberts680 on August 28, 2009, 02:37:06 PM
Is there an U16 Hurling Shield competition this year and if so when is it taking place and who is in it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 28, 2009, 05:56:15 PM
Quote from: No1 on August 28, 2009, 10:23:16 AM
Anybody care to tell us great unwashed what happened at the meeting?

We're not all in the inner circle.   ;D

I'd say tonight will be the last of the Friday night games, I hope the county board play the remaining games on Sundays instead of Saturdays.

Two good reasons for playing the games at 4pm or 5pm on a Saturday.

1: Teams with a load of soccer players on them will be understrength, e.g - Ardglass, Downpatrick etc. Because everyone knows that at this time of the year the soccerheads choose the ground ball over the GAA ball.

2: With games finishing around 6pm or so it gives us more drinking time. If games were on Sundays we wouldn't have the chance to beer on Friday or Saturday nights and Sunday night drinking is a no no in my line of work.

;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 28, 2009, 06:30:47 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 28, 2009, 05:56:15 PM
Quote from: No1 on August 28, 2009, 10:23:16 AM
Anybody care to tell us great unwashed what happened at the meeting?

We're not all in the inner circle.   ;D

I'd say tonight will be the last of the Friday night games, I hope the county board play the remaining games on Sundays instead of Saturdays.

Two good reasons for playing the games at 4pm or 5pm on a Saturday.

1: Teams with a load of soccer players on them will be understrength, e.g - Ardglass, Downpatrick etc. Because everyone knows that at this time of the year the soccerheads choose the ground ball over the GAA ball.

2: With games finishing around 6pm or so it gives us more drinking time. If games were on Sundays we wouldn't have the chance to beer on Friday or Saturday nights and Sunday night drinking is a no no in my line of work.

;D

I hear it is busy about the Albert clock area on a Sunday night alright  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 28, 2009, 06:38:08 PM
Quote from: JBD on August 28, 2009, 10:26:27 AM
Quote from: No1 on August 28, 2009, 10:23:16 AM
Anybody care to tell us great unwashed what happened at the meeting?

We're not all in the inner circle.   ;D

I'd say tonight will be the last of the Friday night games, I hope the county board play the remaining games on Sundays instead of Saturdays.

  Ross Carr last night was allowed to speak to the County Board meeting,he apparently said the reason they lost to Wicklow was solely the ref's fault.In his first year it was his late appointment,the next year it was injuries.He attempted to justify his reasons for leaving certain players out,lack of respect and commitment,he talked about red diesel,stormont non appearance,mentioned people from Monaghan and Cork who said he was always going to be sacked,he reportedly said that a member of staff in the Canal court told him tjis also,wasn't his fault Down didn't turn up for the opening of st John's pitch,accused the board of misappropriation of money ,Newcastle,He threatened everyone with the courts, if the ordinary Gaa process didn't get him justice.
  Maybe what I'm being told is  wrong but if this true it's "goodnight irene" for the county board by allowing a clown to say these things at their meeting.

Has Ross gone down in peoples estimation after this alleged out burst?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on August 28, 2009, 07:15:34 PM
This Ross Carr story sounds more like april fools than being true can anyone confrim it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 28, 2009, 07:50:41 PM
Quote from: bikeflyer30 on August 28, 2009, 07:15:34 PM
This Ross Carr story sounds more like april fools than being true can anyone confrim it?
Should not have happened, but as I said earlier he was entitled to put his side to the list of criticisms apparently levelled by Bell at the previous meeting.
Not the most sensible thing Ross has ever done if things were as reported but the only person who could have permitted his attendance would have been the Chairman so he probably feels well happy with himself if the boys performance was as poor as reported.
Pity it all turned out this way.
Ironic that these two players helped deliver Sam in Bells previous tenure as Chairman and the relationship was so nasty this time.
Time now to move on now with no more washing of dirty linen in public.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 28, 2009, 08:51:19 PM
Bredagh beaten by Saul

1-4 to 2-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 28, 2009, 09:14:57 PM
Bredagh  1-4 2-9 Saul  Bredagh   
Drumgath  1-9 1-7 Tullylish  Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 28, 2009, 10:00:33 PM
results slow tonight!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 28, 2009, 10:08:15 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on August 28, 2009, 10:00:33 PM
results slow tonight!!

worst ever
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 28, 2009, 10:09:24 PM
Ford hammered us tonight to be fair to them they played really well and we were like a team going in 1st gear. Special mention for the fords corner back toner well worth a call up to the conty was absolutely immense tonight.
town beat w'point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on August 28, 2009, 10:14:33 PM
Longstone beat saval by 2! Good away win, that's all I heard!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 28, 2009, 10:37:48 PM
Warrenpoint 2-08 Castlewellan 2-13
Liam Morgan was woeful as ref- he yellow carded the 'Point keeper for running thirty yards out of his goal towards the sideline to stick the boot in our 10 stone corner forward from behind as he bent down to pick the ball up- Morgan said  " Technically it was a red card"- how then can he only give a yellow? Luckily no serious damage was done. A very niggly game with both sides guilty of a lot of off the ball stuff but the 'Point corner back (No. 4) goading the Town forwards  about " Doing to you what we done to your players last Saturday night" was disgusting- a man lay on a life support machine with his family distraught only for someone to use their situation to annoy an opponent? That's not what the GAA is about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 28, 2009, 10:43:34 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 28, 2009, 10:37:48 PM
Warrenpoint 2-08 Castlewellan 2-13
Liam Morgan was woeful as ref- he yellow carded the 'Point keeper for running thirty yards out of his goal towards the sideline to stick the boot in our 10 stone corner forward from behind as he bent down to pick the ball up- Morgan said  " Technically it was a red card"- how then can he only give a yellow? Luckily no serious damage was done. A very niggly game with both sides guilty of a lot of off the ball stuff but the 'Point corner back (No. 4) goading the Town forwards  about " Doing to you what we done to your players last Saturday night" was disgusting- a man lay on a life support machine with his family distraught only for someone to use their situation to annoy an opponent? That's not what the GAA is about.
Some behaviour from a club whose player made the headlines last year for the "phantom assault" in Banbridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 28, 2009, 11:01:06 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 28, 2009, 10:37:48 PM
Warrenpoint 2-08 Castlewellan 2-13
Liam Morgan was woeful as ref- he yellow carded the 'Point keeper for running thirty yards out of his goal towards the sideline to stick the boot in our 10 stone corner forward from behind as he bent down to pick the ball up- Morgan said  " Technically it was a red card"- how then can he only give a yellow? Luckily no serious damage was done. A very niggly game with both sides guilty of a lot of off the ball stuff but the 'Point corner back (No. 4) goading the Town forwards  about " Doing to you what we done to your players last Saturday night" was disgusting- a man lay on a life support machine with his family distraught only for someone to use their situation to annoy an opponent? That's not what the GAA is about.

The town finally get a win and the refere is the problem again.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 28, 2009, 11:06:20 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 28, 2009, 10:37:48 PM
Warrenpoint 2-08 Castlewellan 2-13
Liam Morgan was woeful as ref- he yellow carded the 'Point keeper for running thirty yards out of his goal towards the sideline to stick the boot in our 10 stone corner forward from behind as he bent down to pick the ball up- Morgan said  " Technically it was a red card"- how then can he only give a yellow? Luckily no serious damage was done. A very niggly game with both sides guilty of a lot of off the ball stuff but the 'Point corner back (No. 4) goading the Town forwards  about " Doing to you what we done to your players last Saturday night" was disgusting- a man lay on a life support machine with his family distraught only for someone to use their situation to annoy an opponent? That's not what the GAA is about.

Just for those of us unintelligent souls who have maybe missed something, could you tell us what has the players weight got to do with the incident ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 28, 2009, 11:08:13 PM
Bryansford where well worth their ten point win tonight with gubber in brilliant form with 3-2. Kilcoo looked a team with no interest and eyes on bigger prizes. McCorry left Dominic McEvoy, Paul Devlin, Barry Kane, Nial Morgan, Conor Laverty and Aidan Brannigan on bench and gave squad players a game although used some off these regulars in second half. Maybe he seen the few Burren spies in the crowd.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 28, 2009, 11:18:40 PM
Annaclone V Kilclief abandoned after 40 minutes.  Not because of a riot!  Referee Mr Broderick injured himself and couldn't continue.  Very frustrating for both sets of players.  Kilclief were a point up at the time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 28, 2009, 11:40:30 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 28, 2009, 11:06:20 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 28, 2009, 10:37:48 PM
Warrenpoint 2-08 Castlewellan 2-13
Liam Morgan was woeful as ref- he yellow carded the 'Point keeper for running thirty yards out of his goal towards the sideline to stick the boot in our 10 stone corner forward from behind as he bent down to pick the ball up- Morgan said  " Technically it was a red card"- how then can he only give a yellow? Luckily no serious damage was done. A very niggly game with both sides guilty of a lot of off the ball stuff but the 'Point corner back (No. 4) goading the Town forwards  about " Doing to you what we done to your players last Saturday night" was disgusting- a man lay on a life support machine with his family distraught only for someone to use their situation to annoy an opponent? That's not what the GAA is about.

Just for those of us unintelligent souls who have maybe missed something, could you tell us what has the players weight got to do with the incident ???
It was just to highlight the cowardness of the Point keeper who is not exactly a tiny man trying to break the legs of the smallest player on the pitch.
As for Mid down Gael- his problem is with Castlewellan- strange how he was quiet when other refs were getting criticised last week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 28, 2009, 11:46:34 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on August 28, 2009, 10:43:34 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 28, 2009, 10:37:48 PM
Warrenpoint 2-08 Castlewellan 2-13
Liam Morgan was woeful as ref- he yellow carded the 'Point keeper for running thirty yards out of his goal towards the sideline to stick the boot in our 10 stone corner forward from behind as he bent down to pick the ball up- Morgan said  " Technically it was a red card"- how then can he only give a yellow? Luckily no serious damage was done. A very niggly game with both sides guilty of a lot of off the ball stuff but the 'Point corner back (No. 4) goading the Town forwards  about " Doing to you what we done to your players last Saturday night" was disgusting- a man lay on a life support machine with his family distraught only for someone to use their situation to annoy an opponent? That's not what the GAA is about.
Some behaviour from a club whose player made the headlines last year for the "phantom assault" in Banbridge

phantom? are you sure? sure stephen nolan said it would finish his career!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on August 29, 2009, 12:04:16 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 28, 2009, 10:37:48 PM
Warrenpoint 2-08 Castlewellan 2-13
Liam Morgan was woeful as ref- he yellow carded the 'Point keeper for running thirty yards out of his goal towards the sideline to stick the boot in our 10 stone corner forward from behind as he bent down to pick the ball up- Morgan said  " Technically it was a red card"- how then can he only give a yellow? Luckily no serious damage was done. A very niggly game with both sides guilty of a lot of off the ball stuff but the 'Point corner back (No. 4) goading the Town forwards  about " Doing to you what we done to your players last Saturday night" was disgusting- a man lay on a life support machine with his family distraught only for someone to use their situation to annoy an opponent? That's not what the GAA is about.

was at the game tonight and i must agree with you town gael that our keeper should have been shown a red card for his antics, but this notion that our corner back was goading your team about last week must have been whispered in ears because i saw none of it or heard any of it, and if he did and none of your players didnt sort him out for such ignorance then more fool castlewellan. take nothing away from the game the better team won. by the way you say the ref was woeful. was it because of this one incident or were there other incidents that decisions didnt go the other way. i could have easily said that there were a number of decisions went against us but that is always going to happen in a game. why people come on this site and there first words are to blame the ref astonishes me.

wake up open the eyes and smell the coffee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 29, 2009, 12:25:13 AM
Quote from: True Blue on August 29, 2009, 12:04:16 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 28, 2009, 10:37:48 PM
Warrenpoint 2-08 Castlewellan 2-13
Liam Morgan was woeful as ref- he yellow carded the 'Point keeper for running thirty yards out of his goal towards the sideline to stick the boot in our 10 stone corner forward from behind as he bent down to pick the ball up- Morgan said  " Technically it was a red card"- how then can he only give a yellow? Luckily no serious damage was done. A very niggly game with both sides guilty of a lot of off the ball stuff but the 'Point corner back (No. 4) goading the Town forwards  about " Doing to you what we done to your players last Saturday night" was disgusting- a man lay on a life support machine with his family distraught only for someone to use their situation to annoy an opponent? That's not what the GAA is about.

was at the game tonight and i must agree with you town gael that our keeper should have been shown a red card for his antics, but this notion that our corner back was goading your team about last week must have been whispered in ears because i saw none of it or heard any of it, and if he did and none of your players didnt sort him out for such ignorance then more fool castlewellan. take nothing away from the game the better team won. by the way you say the ref was woeful. was it because of this one incident or were there other incidents that decisions didnt go the other way. i could have easily said that there were a number of decisions went against us but that is always going to happen in a game. why people come on this site and there first words are to blame the ref astonishes me.

wake up open the eyes and smell the coffee.
The comment in question started the scuffle that took place in the Point goalmouth when the play was at the other side of the field.
The ref should have awarded2 if not 3 penaltys to Castlewellan all in the 2nd half although one of his decisions to ignore a blatant pulling down ot our forawrd resulted in the a goal for the Town anyway. I can also recall 2 occassions when Town men blantantly picked the ball up off the ground that went unpunished right infront of the ref. All I want in Down is consistent, decent refeering- it is not a refs job toeven up  a game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 29, 2009, 10:09:00 AM
Why were there games on last night? I thought all games were changed to sat!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 29, 2009, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: True Blue on August 29, 2009, 12:04:16 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 28, 2009, 10:37:48 PM
Warrenpoint 2-08 Castlewellan 2-13
Liam Morgan was woeful as ref- he yellow carded the 'Point keeper for running thirty yards out of his goal towards the sideline to stick the boot in our 10 stone corner forward from behind as he bent down to pick the ball up- Morgan said  " Technically it was a red card"- how then can he only give a yellow? Luckily no serious damage was done. A very niggly game with both sides guilty of a lot of off the ball stuff but the 'Point corner back (No. 4) goading the Town forwards  about " Doing to you what we done to your players last Saturday night" was disgusting- a man lay on a life support machine with his family distraught only for someone to use their situation to annoy an opponent? That's not what the GAA is about.

was at the game tonight and i must agree with you town gael that our keeper should have been shown a red card for his antics, but this notion that our corner back was goading your team about last week must have been whispered in ears because i saw none of it or heard any of it, and if he did and none of your players didnt sort him out for such ignorance then more fool castlewellan. take nothing away from the game the better team won. by the way you say the ref was woeful. was it because of this one incident or were there other incidents that decisions didnt go the other way. i could have easily said that there were a number of decisions went against us but that is always going to happen in a game. why people come on this site and there first words are to blame the ref astonishes me.

wake up open the eyes and smell the coffee.

I agree the Ref was brutal but what you fail to state is fact your No 8 McGreevey shouldve got a straight Red & McGrady was lucky to be on the field for booting a player off the ball.
Our No14 couldve went too in a series of rows that started with the incompetency of a terrible referee.

I agree Castlewellan shouldve had definitely 1 if not 2 penalties.
And please stop spouting shite about what players allegedly said about the incident last week in Castlewellan. Doesnt help anyone & chinese whispers get out of hand.
I find it highly unlikely you would know what Warrenpoint No4 said unless you heard it directly?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 29, 2009, 01:43:18 PM
Quote from: guevara on August 29, 2009, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: True Blue on August 29, 2009, 12:04:16 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 28, 2009, 10:37:48 PM
Warrenpoint 2-08 Castlewellan 2-13
Liam Morgan was woeful as ref- he yellow carded the 'Point keeper for running thirty yards out of his goal towards the sideline to stick the boot in our 10 stone corner forward from behind as he bent down to pick the ball up- Morgan said  " Technically it was a red card"- how then can he only give a yellow? Luckily no serious damage was done. A very niggly game with both sides guilty of a lot of off the ball stuff but the 'Point corner back (No. 4) goading the Town forwards  about " Doing to you what we done to your players last Saturday night" was disgusting- a man lay on a life support machine with his family distraught only for someone to use their situation to annoy an opponent? That's not what the GAA is about.

was at the game tonight and i must agree with you town gael that our keeper should have been shown a red card for his antics, but this notion that our corner back was goading your team about last week must have been whispered in ears because i saw none of it or heard any of it, and if he did and none of your players didnt sort him out for such ignorance then more fool castlewellan. take nothing away from the game the better team won. by the way you say the ref was woeful. was it because of this one incident or were there other incidents that decisions didnt go the other way. i could have easily said that there were a number of decisions went against us but that is always going to happen in a game. why people come on this site and there first words are to blame the ref astonishes me.

wake up open the eyes and smell the coffee.

I agree the Ref was brutal but what you fail to state is fact your No 8 McGreevey shouldve got a straight Red & McGrady was lucky to be on the field for booting a player off the ball.
Our No14 couldve went too in a series of rows that started with the incompetency of a terrible referee.

I agree Castlewellan shouldve had definitely 1 if not 2 penalties.
And please stop spouting shite about what players allegedly said about the incident last week in Castlewellan. Doesnt help anyone & chinese whispers get out of hand.
I find it highly unlikely you would know what Warrenpoint No4 said unless you heard it directly?
Finty Definitely was guilty of striking on more than one occassion. I didn't see the McGrady kicking incident you mentioned but I take your word for it. There was far too much off theball stuff going on throughout the game, no need for it.
However your number 4 did say that - 100% fact- ask your keeper, full back or umpire. Perhaps I should also say that after the scuffle was over he apologised for his remarks but the damage was done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 29, 2009, 02:12:35 PM
St Johns v Dundrum is off today due to a death in the St Johns club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on August 29, 2009, 06:28:08 PM
According to the Irish Star Carr is threatening to take a civil case against the County Board over his dismissal, if true has the man completely lost the plot, the only person who would gain out of such a scenario is his solicitor who apparently has advised him that he has a good case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 29, 2009, 06:44:25 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on August 29, 2009, 06:28:08 PM
According to the Irish Star Carr is threatening to take a civil case against the County Board over his dismissal, if true has the man completely lost the plot, the only person who would gain out of such a scenario is his solicitor who apparently has advised him that he has a good case.

Back page headline in todays Irishmans News.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on August 29, 2009, 06:54:17 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on August 29, 2009, 06:44:25 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on August 29, 2009, 06:28:08 PM
According to the Irish Star Carr is threatening to take a civil case against the County Board over his dismissal, if true has the man completely lost the plot, the only person who would gain out of such a scenario is his solicitor who apparently has advised him that he has a good case.

Back page headline in todays Irishmans News.

Haven't seen the Irish News yet. Ross doesn't have a case. He was appointed for 3 years and that 3 years is now up. The CB chose not to renew his "contract" for whatever reason, but they were well within their rights to do so. In fact they could have asked him to go much sooner than they did. Ross needs to catch a grip of himself, he is beginning to look like a fool.

Can anyone post the article from todays paper?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 29, 2009, 07:24:40 PM
Saturday 29th August 2009
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O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Mayobridge  1-14 1-13 Clonduff  Mayobridge   

Friday 28th August 2009
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O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Saval  0-15 2-11 Longstone  Saval   
Bryansford  4-5 0-6 Kilcoo  Bryansford   
Warrenpoint  2-8 2-13 Castlewellan  Warrenpoint   

O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Carryduff  1-8 1-9 Atticall  Carryduff   
Glasdrumman  1-8 0-11 Clann na Banna  Glasdrumman   

O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ardglass  1-15 1-5 Drumaness  Ardglass   
Aghaderg  0-7 3-10 Teconnaught  Aghaderg   
Bredagh  1-4 2-9 Saul  Bredagh   
Drumgath  1-9 1-7 Tullylish  Drumgath   

O Neills Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Bright  1-4 3-11 Mitchels  Bright   
Aughlisnafin  1-3 3-14 St John Bosco  Aughlisnafin   
St Michaels  0-19 0-10 Dromara  St Michaels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 29, 2009, 07:25:12 PM

Finty Definitely was guilty of striking on more than one occassion. I didn't see the McGrady kicking incident you mentioned but I take your word for it. There was far too much off theball stuff going on throughout the game, no need for it.
However your number 4 did say that - 100% fact- ask your keeper, full back or umpire. Perhaps I should also say that after the scuffle was over he apologised for his remarks but the damage was done
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As I said rumours help no ones cause. FFS it was stated in the media that it was a group returning from Cage Fighting in Downpatrick  ::) & that they were all running around with their tops off!
& people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones!
Your sub threw a ball deliberately at a group of women & your bench were involved in telling these women "to f**k away off back to Div II yous tramps"
So next time you come on giving off remeber to include all the facts not just your watered down Castlewellan version!!
Title: RFC
Post by: No1 on August 29, 2009, 09:11:11 PM
Any results from the Reserve Championship?

Kilclief beat Teconnaught handy enough.
Title: Re: RFC
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 29, 2009, 09:27:12 PM
Quote from: No1 on August 29, 2009, 09:11:11 PM
Any results from the Reserve Championship?

Kilclief beat Teconnaught handy enough.

Kilcoo thirds beat Glenn seconds 1-12 to 1-8.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 29, 2009, 11:35:47 PM
Previous meetings.

2008 Quarter Final

Burren 3.13 Kilcoo 2.8

Burren
Martin Rocks;
Ronan McGovern, Ciaran Doyle, Ronan McGivern;
Chris McGovern 0.1, Dan McCartan, Gerard McCartan 1.1;
Anthony Cunningham, Declan Rooney;
Eamon Toner, Kevin McKernan 0.3, Conal McGovern;
James McGovern 0.6, Eoin McCartan 2.2, Kevin McGivern.
Subs used.
Ryan McGovern, Ciaran McGovern, Sean Murdock and Sean Ward.

Kilcoo
James Kane;
Niall Brannigan, Aidan Brannigan, Gerard McAvoy;
Brian O'Hanlon 0.1, Niall McAvoy, Conor Morgan 0.1;
Phemlin McGreevey, Martin McClean;
Damian Grant 0.1, Anthony Devlin 1.1, Paul Greenan 1.0;
Conor Laverty 0.1 Niall Morgan, Gary McAvoy;
Subs used
Paul Devlin 0.3, Dominic McAvoy and Noel Devlin.


2006 Quarter Final
Clonduff 2.7 Loughinisland 0.7

Clonduff
Robert Wilson;
John McPolin, Daniel McPolin, Mark McPolin;
Paul McConville, Paul Sheilds, Paudie Matthews;
Paul McShane, Aidan Carr 0.1;
Plunkett McConville 0.2, Conor O'Hagan, Jason Brown 0.1;
Finbar McConville 1.1, John Fegan 1.1, Shane Ward 0.1;
Subs used,
Eugene Brannigan, John Morgan and Francis Quinn.

Loughinisland
John Gibney;
Ryan Carville, Alan Molloy, Matthew Doran;
Willie Russell, Joe Doran, Conor O'Toole;
Niall McCartney, Dan Gordon 0.2;
Ciaran Fitzpatrick, Gary Gordon, Jamie O'Reilly;
Ben O'Reilly 0.2, Mark Valentine, John McCartney 0.1;
Subs used
Aaron Mulholland 0.2, Gareth Doran, James McClements and Gerard Colgan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on August 30, 2009, 10:17:59 AM
When's the next round of football championship matches?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 30, 2009, 12:13:20 PM
Quote from: Bacon on August 30, 2009, 10:17:59 AM
When's the next round of football championship matches?
Sat 12th  and Sun 13th
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 30, 2009, 12:35:02 PM
ORMER Down manager Ross Carr has threatened legal action over the manner of his dismissal from the post, The Irish News understands.

The Clonduff clubman was allowed to address the Down County Board meeting on Thursday night and mentioned the possibility of going down the legal route.

Carr was upset about certain remarks that were made when the decision was taken to dispense with his services as Mourne county manager at the end of last month, and it is believed that he requested a right of reply.

That opportunity was granted at the county board meeting and Carr made an impassioned defence of his three-year term in charge of the red-and-blacks, citing factors that had worked against his teams achieving success and listing certain grievances.

Sources say that Carr pointed the finger at the referee for the defeat that ended this year's Championship campaign, the controversial and surprising loss to Wicklow in round three of the qualifiers.

The two-time All-Ireland winner as a player also made mention of the succession of serious injuries that had afflicted the Down team and panel during his time in charge.

Carr led Down to promotion into Division Two earlier this year, and achieved a notable victory over eventual All-Ireland champions Tyrone last season, but the failure to reach an Ulster final or the All-Ireland quarter-finals cost him the job.

However, his comments to the county board meeting have muddied the waters as the Mournemen seek his successor.

A similar speech by John Joe Doherty persuaded the Donegal County Board to reconsider their decision not to appoint him as senior football manager last year. However, Donegal were then taken to the Disputes Resolution Authority (DRA) by Declan Bonner and Charlie Mulgrew, who had been told that they would be the new management team. Bonner and Mulgrew's appeal was not upheld but aspects of the Donegal board's handling of the matter were criticised by the DRA.

Carr may consider taking his case via GAA channels first, and perhaps as far as the DRA, which could cause problems for Down's managerial selection process.

The deadline for nominations closed just over a fortnight ago and, although the five-man

sub-committee set up to choose the new boss has kept its counsel, the names of the leading contenders have emerged.

They include Peter McGrath, who led Down to All-Ireland glory in 1991 and 1994 and has taken their U21s to the last two Ulster titles, and also James McCartan Jr, who is free from club commitments after Ballinderry's exit from the Derry SFC.

An intriguing candidate is Paddy Tally, who was Tyrone's coach when the Red Hands lifted their first senior All-Ireland in 2003 before parting company with Mickey Harte. The Galbally man was recruited as coach by Carr for last season.

If Down turn to Tally, he would be their first outside manager since McGrath's predecessor, Belfast man Jackie McManus, with another Antrim man, the late great Paddy O'Hara, having also been in charge of the Mournemen in the mid-sixties.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 30, 2009, 06:01:40 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on August 28, 2009, 10:43:34 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 28, 2009, 10:37:48 PM
Warrenpoint 2-08 Castlewellan 2-13
Liam Morgan was woeful as ref- he yellow carded the 'Point keeper for running thirty yards out of his goal towards the sideline to stick the boot in our 10 stone corner forward from behind as he bent down to pick the ball up- Morgan said  " Technically it was a red card"- how then can he only give a yellow? Luckily no serious damage was done. A very niggly game with both sides guilty of a lot of off the ball stuff but the 'Point corner back (No. 4) goading the Town forwards  about " Doing to you what we done to your players last Saturday night" was disgusting- a man lay on a life support machine with his family distraught only for someone to use their situation to annoy an opponent? That's not what the GAA is about.
Some behaviour from a club whose player made the headlines last year for the "phantom assault" in Banbridge

f**k up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 30, 2009, 10:52:12 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 30, 2009, 06:01:40 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on August 28, 2009, 10:43:34 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 28, 2009, 10:37:48 PM
Warrenpoint 2-08 Castlewellan 2-13
Liam Morgan was woeful as ref- he yellow carded the 'Point keeper for running thirty yards out of his goal towards the sideline to stick the boot in our 10 stone corner forward from behind as he bent down to pick the ball up- Morgan said  " Technically it was a red card"- how then can he only give a yellow? Luckily no serious damage was done. A very niggly game with both sides guilty of a lot of off the ball stuff but the 'Point corner back (No. 4) goading the Town forwards  about " Doing to you what we done to your players last Saturday night" was disgusting- a man lay on a life support machine with his family distraught only for someone to use their situation to annoy an opponent? That's not what the GAA is about.
Some behaviour from a club whose player made the headlines last year for the "phantom assault" in Banbridge

f**k up
Hit a raw nerve there oops
;) :-*
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 31, 2009, 03:57:38 AM
Ha aye if only you knew
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 31, 2009, 12:12:48 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 31, 2009, 03:57:38 AM
Ha aye if only you knew

Knew what exactly? Did all the rest of us miss something?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on August 31, 2009, 03:23:30 PM
Quote from: interested on August 31, 2009, 11:28:02 AM
Just back after a weekend away.Tell me this is not true.Mother of  sweet Je-us! Where will it all end?

In the courts if Ross has his way. What does he expect? Another year? the job for life? Or until he wins Ulster?
His departure was handled badly but he should have the sense to walk away and have some self respect. He simply wasn't up to the job of inter-county management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 31, 2009, 03:28:40 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 31, 2009, 03:23:30 PM
His departure was handled badly

Aye.

He should have been shown the door straight after the Brewster park debacle!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lroberts680 on August 31, 2009, 03:44:39 PM
Any Down Underage Hurling fixtures for this week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on August 31, 2009, 04:02:47 PM
It should have been made clear that his services were no longer required after the Wicklow game, it should never have gone to a vote or a meeting. Many people will say that he should have been sacked after the Fermanagh game. Either way, the correct decision was made and Ross should abide by that decision. They CB are as much to blame for this farcial situation as Ross is, he should never have been allowed to address that meeting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on August 31, 2009, 04:10:03 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on August 31, 2009, 03:53:27 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on August 31, 2009, 03:23:30 PM
Quote from: interested on August 31, 2009, 11:28:02 AM
Just back after a weekend away.Tell me this is not true.Mother of  sweet Je-us! Where will it all end?

In the courts if Ross has his way. What does he expect? Another year? the job for life? Or until he wins Ulster?
His departure was handled badly but he should have the sense to walk away and have some self respect. He simply wasn't up to the job of inter-county management.
Maybe I'm missing something.How was it badly handled?   
Was he not voted out at a county board meeting 45-10 or something?

The better phrase would be he has handled his departure badly.

This outburst is quite emabrassing for his family,friends,club and indeed Down.
I do not think he is as cut up about not being re-instated but the whole manner in which the Co Chairman made such an attack on him personally.
It was a real character assassination from what I hear and this was totally uncalled for and no chance of redress at the time.
The Co Chairman should be ashamed of himself for what he did and indeed things never need to have got that far if Mgt Ctte had had the balls to come out at the first meeting and say that that they would not be recommending an extension of The Senior mgt teams term
Instead they tried to hide behind the clubs and the fall out is not unexpected.
If common sense had prevailed Ross would have seen the writing on the wall and gone quietly, but the Chairmans behaviour has cast us in this same shameful light.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on August 31, 2009, 04:11:10 PM
What exactly did the Co Chairman say?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 31, 2009, 04:19:13 PM
Does anyone have this weeks East Down and All County fixtures handy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on August 31, 2009, 04:23:07 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 27, 2009, 09:21:02 PM
QuoteIf you finish top of the league, you should be champions, end of. If you finish bottom you should go down. Tell me one good reason why this isnt the case?

angermanagement has explained the reason behind the system, and here's the reason to keep it - having four way play-offs at the top and bottom means nearly every team has a reason to keep taking the league seriously right up the season's end.

Even with the current system, I've played in a few end-of-season matches with nothing at stake, and they really are a waste of time. I'd hate to imagine how many of those game would turn up if there were no play-offs.

agree with that wobbler.in armagh there is a two up two down system in the league. my club is currently 3 points clear of the relegation zone and with respect to the teams below i couldnt see them catching us if the games where played at competitively as say the 1st league game.  constantly looking over shoulder now with the majority of sides out of the cship and/or with nothing to play for
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 31, 2009, 08:07:04 PM
Does anyone know the name of the Down Minor Football championship cup?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 31, 2009, 08:08:30 PM
Why are you lot thinking of nicking it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 31, 2009, 08:11:53 PM
Harps v d.cross called off due to waterlogged pitch

Incessant rain meant game had no chance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 31, 2009, 08:13:03 PM
Senior games down for 6.30pm on Friday night I hear. That will cause a bit of hassle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 31, 2009, 08:17:13 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 31, 2009, 08:07:04 PM
Does anyone know the name of the Down Minor Football championship cup?

The Collie Curran Cup possibly. Im not too sure though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 31, 2009, 08:20:36 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 31, 2009, 08:17:13 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 31, 2009, 08:07:04 PM
Does anyone know the name of the Down Minor Football championship cup?

The Collie Curran Cup possibly. Im not too sure though.

Yeah thats correct Down fanatic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: LooK_To_ThE_FuTuRE on August 31, 2009, 08:57:37 PM
carryduff senior hurlers' first game in the betsy gray cup on wednesday.... carryduff to stun ballyvarley and come out on top by 5pts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 31, 2009, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: LooK_To_ThE_FuTuRE on August 31, 2009, 08:57:37 PM
carryduff senior hurlers' first game in the betsy gray cup on wednesday.... carryduff to stun ballyvarley and come out on top by 5pts.

If they play the way they did in the first half v Warrenpoint in the JHC they have every chance!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: LooK_To_ThE_FuTuRE on August 31, 2009, 09:25:29 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 31, 2009, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: LooK_To_ThE_FuTuRE on August 31, 2009, 08:57:37 PM
carryduff senior hurlers' first game in the betsy gray cup on wednesday.... carryduff to stun ballyvarley and come out on top by 5pts.

If they play the way they did in the first half v Warrenpoint in the JHC they have every chance!

True a great first half performance that day... however if they do manage to overcome ballyvarley they have another game against the point. Not a good draw!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on August 31, 2009, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 31, 2009, 04:19:13 PM
Does anyone have this weeks East Down and All County fixtures handy?


Down Fixtures

Mon 31st Aug 6 45
ACFL Div 1
Kilcoo v Saval
PRFC
Burren v An Riocht
Rostrevor v Mayobridge
Ballymartin v Clonduff
Tuesday 1st Sept 6 45
PRFC
Ballyholland v Warrenpoint
Tues 1st Sept 7 30
ACFL Div 1
Bryansford v Clonduff
Thurs 3rd Pairc Esler 7 30
Around a Pound Junior Chapionship
Glenn v St John Bosco
Friday 4th Sept 6 30
ACFL Div 1
Rostrevor v Saval
Liatroim v Warrenpoint
Kilcoo v Loughinisland
Clonduff v Burren
Mayobridge v Longstone
Castlewellan v Bryansford
ACFL Div 2
Carryduff v Shamrocks
Annaclone v Glasdrumman
An Riocht v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Downpatrick v Ballyholland
Clann na Banna v Ballymartin
ACFL Div 3
Saul v Drumgath
Teconnaught v Bredagh
Dundrum v St Pauls
St Johns v Drumaness
Tullylish v Aghaderg
ACFL Div 4
Dromara v Ballykinlar
Mitchels v Aughlisnafinn
Sat 5th Sept  5 00
ACPRL Div 1
An Riocht v Kilcoo
Castlewellan v Burren
Rostrevor v Ballymartin
Bryansford v Clonduff
Liatroim v Mayobridge
ACPRL Div 2
Downpatrick v Carryduff
Ballyholland v Tullylish
Longstone v Warrenpoint
Loughinisland v Saval
Annaclone v Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on August 31, 2009, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 31, 2009, 04:19:13 PM
Does anyone have this weeks East Down and All County fixtures handy?

East Down Fixtures


Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 18 League         
Date  Tuesday  1st September Time 6.45pm         
U-18 Football League Section "B"          
   St. John's   v   St. Joseph's   D Laverty
            
Date Wednesday 2nd September  Time 6.45pm      
U-16  13 Side  Supplementary Football League Section A   
   St Mary's   v   Bryansford   J Killen
   Carryduff   v   Saul   P McCartan
Date Wednesday 2nd September  Time 6.45pm      
U-16  13 Side Supplementary Football League Section B   
   St. John's   v   Bredagh B   J McMullan
   Drumaness   v   Loughinisland   A Sharvin
            
Date Thursday 3rd  September  Time 6.45pm         
U-14  9 Side Supplementary  Football League Section C   
   Bredagh   v   Bryansford   E O' Hare
   Dromara   v   Kilcoo   M Brady
   Ardglass   v   carryduff b   M Rawlinson
            
Date Thursday 3rd  September  Time 6.45pm         
U-14  13 Side Supplementary Football League Section A   
   Bryansford   v   Saul   C McAlinden
   Carryduff   v   Bredagh   M Davey
   Castlewellan   v   Downpatrick   G Brannigan
            
Date Thursday 3rd  September  Time 6.45pm         
U-14  13 Side Supplementary Football League Section B   
   Drumaness   v   Liatroim   C McMullan
   Loughinisland   v   St. Joseph's   G Corrigan
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 12 League         
Date Thursday 3rd  September  Time 6.45pm         
U-12  13 Side Football League Section B   
   St. John's   v   Saul   M McAnulty
            
Date Saturday 5th  September Time 1.00pm         
U-14  "B" Football Championship  final Venue  Loughinisland   
   Liatroim   v   Cill Breachtain    M Davey
            
Date Sunday 6th September  Time 12.30pm         
U-12 Football Supplementary  Leagues Section A   
   Bryansford    v   Carryduff   C McAlinden
   Saul    v    St. Paul's   J McMullan
U-12 Football Supplementary  Leagues Section B   
   Bredagh    v   Downpatrick   G Marks
   Kilcoo   v   St Joseph's   C McMullan
   Liatroim   v   Loughinisland   M Brady
U-12 Football Supplementary  Leagues Section C   
   Castlewellan   v   Dromara   M McAnulty
   Carryduff B   v   Drumaness   K O' Brien
            
Quoile Tile & Bathroom Centre         
Date Sunday  6th September Time 6.30pm         
Reserve Football League         
   Liatroim   v   Kilcoo   C McAlinden
   Castlewellan   v   Bryansford   GTumelty
            


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 31, 2009, 10:54:05 PM
Anyone got any results from tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 31, 2009, 10:59:32 PM
I have to say that the 6.30 throw-in time is effing ridiculous, and it's going leave a number of clubs short on their first XV.

Obviously it isn't deliberate but have a look at Division II this week. It wouldn't be possible to create a fixture list with as many long away trips if you sat down with a pen and paper.

Carryduff v Shamrocks
Annaclone v Glasdrumman
An Riocht v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Downpatrick v Ballyholland
Clann na Banna v Ballymartin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 31, 2009, 11:34:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 31, 2009, 10:59:32 PM
I have to say that the 6.30 throw-in time is effing ridiculous, and it's going leave a number of clubs short on their first XV.

Obviously it isn't deliberate but have a look at Division II this week. It wouldn't be possible to create a fixture list with as many long away trips if you sat down with a pen and paper.

Carryduff v Shamrocks
Annaclone v Glasdrumman
An Riocht v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Downpatrick v Ballyholland
Clann na Banna v Ballymartin

100 % right.... Ideally a team wants to be down an hour before throw in. With this in mind take St. Pauls Hollywood coming to play us for example. If they are looking to get to Dundrum for 5.30 they will realistically have to leave at 4.15 with traffic being taken into account. Do the county board not take people working into account?  Surely there has to be a way of combatting this.
  Why aren't they fixed for a Saturday or Sunday afternoon? Alternatively could the fixtures be strategically worked out at the start of the year so that when the situation comes around of earlier dark evenings neighbouring teams are playing each other?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on September 01, 2009, 01:18:52 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 31, 2009, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: LooK_To_ThE_FuTuRE on August 31, 2009, 08:57:37 PM
carryduff senior hurlers' first game in the betsy gray cup on wednesday.... carryduff to stun ballyvarley and come out on top by 5pts.

If they play the way they did in the first half v Warrenpoint in the JHC they have every chance!
if i had to put money on it i would say carryduff will beat ballyvarley: as i said about the game against castlewellan their players just dont have the pace to stick with even an en experienced carryduff side, especially on a big field! Carryduff to win handy enough. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on September 01, 2009, 08:42:25 AM
Castlewellan Vs Bryansford is moved to Sunday night at 6pm.
Surely the county Board should have had all fixtures on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 01, 2009, 09:32:35 AM
Quote from: wobbller on September 01, 2009, 08:11:28 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 31, 2009, 11:34:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 31, 2009, 10:59:32 PM
I have to say that the 6.30 throw-in time is effing ridiculous, and it's going leave a number of clubs short on their first XV.

Obviously it isn't deliberate but have a look at Division II this week. It wouldn't be possible to create a fixture list with as many long away trips if you sat down with a pen and paper.

Carryduff v Shamrocks
Annaclone v Glasdrumman
An Riocht v Kilclief
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Downpatrick v Ballyholland
Clann na Banna v Ballymartin

100 % right.... Ideally a team wants to be down an hour before throw in. With this in mind take St. Pauls Hollywood coming to play us for example. If they are looking to get to Dundrum for 5.30 they will realistically have to leave at 4.15 with traffic being taken into account. Do the county board not take people working into account?  Surely there has to be a way of combatting this.
  Why aren't they fixed for a Saturday or Sunday afternoon? Alternatively could the fixtures be strategically worked out at the start of the year so that when the situation comes around of earlier dark evenings neighbouring teams are playing each other?
Will you car boot sale be over to allow games on a Sunday? ;D ;D

When being smart it pays to double check your post to be sure it makes sense.  ;)
To answer your question yes it would be over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 01, 2009, 11:40:01 AM
Quote from: THE DADGA on September 01, 2009, 01:18:52 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 31, 2009, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: LooK_To_ThE_FuTuRE on August 31, 2009, 08:57:37 PM
carryduff senior hurlers' first game in the betsy gray cup on wednesday.... carryduff to stun ballyvarley and come out on top by 5pts.

If they play the way they did in the first half v Warrenpoint in the JHC they have every chance!
if i had to put money on it i would say carryduff will beat ballyvarley: as i said about the game against castlewellan their players just dont have the pace to stick with even an en experienced carryduff side, especially on a big field! Carryduff to win handy enough.

What's the story with the Joe McCrickard and Bety Gray cups, are there fixtures now available?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 01, 2009, 11:43:41 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 01, 2009, 11:40:01 AM

What's the story with the Joe McCrickard and Bety Gray cups, are there fixtures now available?

Ballyvarley play Carryduff in the prelim Betsy Gray match on Wednesday at 6.45 in Ballela. I haven't seen any other fixtures yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 01, 2009, 12:40:04 PM
Division 3 Table

                 Played        Points
Tullylish         18              27
-----------------------------------------
Glenn            17             25
Drumgath       17            22
-----------------------------------------
St Johns        17             22
Bredagh         18             21
Ardglass         17             20
Dundrum        17            18
Saul               18            17
-----------------------------------------
Teconnaught   18           16
St Pauls           17           10
Drumaness       18            8
-----------------------------------------
Aghaderg         18            2


Outstanding Fixtures: Ardglass v Drumgath, St Johns v Dundrum, St Pauls v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 01, 2009, 06:58:22 PM
Anyone know when the postponed fixtures from last night will be played? PRFC I think was only affected
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 01, 2009, 08:33:05 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 01, 2009, 12:40:04 PM
Division 3 Table

                 Played        Points
Tullylish         18              27
-----------------------------------------
Glenn            17             25
Drumgath       17            22
-----------------------------------------
St Johns        17             22
Bredagh         18             21
Ardglass         17             20
Dundrum        17            18
Saul               18            17
-----------------------------------------
Teconnaught   18           16
St Pauls           17           10
Drumaness       18            8
-----------------------------------------
Aghaderg         18            2


Outstanding Fixtures: Ardglass v Drumgath, St Johns v Dundrum, St Pauls v Glenn


Sorry for my ignorance, but just wanted to clarify did Bredagh just come up this year into division 3?  If so well done, congratulations to the club they have more than consolidated their place and I'm sure will build on this to try and push for promotion next year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 01, 2009, 08:51:17 PM
D4S, this is our 3rd year in Div three  :(, if congratulations are due for comming up from Div 4 and doing well they should be for St Johns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 01, 2009, 09:12:34 PM
Division one outstanding fixture played tonight

Loughinisland 1-12 Liatroim 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 01, 2009, 09:16:13 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 01, 2009, 08:51:17 PM
D4S, this is our 3rd year in Div three  :(, if congratulations are due for comming up from Div 4 and doing well they should be for St Johns.

Well then I apologise for my ignorance as I said before! I was just having a dumb moment. Well done St Jons ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 01, 2009, 10:00:06 PM
St. Johns certainly flying and beating the top team twice in a season is certainly no mean feat.
Bryansford beat Clonduff 2-12 to 2-08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downexile1 on September 01, 2009, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: THE DADGA on September 01, 2009, 01:18:52 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 31, 2009, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: LooK_To_ThE_FuTuRE on August 31, 2009, 08:57:37 PM
carryduff senior hurlers' first game in the betsy gray cup on wednesday.... carryduff to stun ballyvarley and come out on top by 5pts.

If they play the way they did in the first half v Warrenpoint in the JHC they have every chance!
if i had to put money on it i would say carryduff will beat ballyvarley: as i said about the game against castlewellan their players just dont have the pace to stick with even an en experienced carryduff side, especially on a big field! Carryduff to win handy enough.

dadga you seem to have it in for ballyvarley ,,any reason for this??????????????????????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 01, 2009, 10:13:37 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 01, 2009, 10:00:06 PM
St. Johns certainly flying and beating the top team twice in a season is certainly no mean feat.
Bryansford beat Clonduff 2-12 to 2-08

Strange season, we beat them twice  ::) go figure
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 01, 2009, 10:23:54 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 01, 2009, 10:13:37 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 01, 2009, 10:00:06 PM
St. Johns certainly flying and beating the top team twice in a season is certainly no mean feat.
Bryansford beat Clonduff 2-12 to 2-08

Strange season, we beat them twice  ::) go figure

Very odd season for Bredagh. You's have made the playoffs the past two years and I definitely thought that Bredagh would have been the team to make a real stab at the playoffs this year again.

That was a bad defeat at home to Saul. Whats happened the squad Square Ball? I see that a lot of young lads have made the step up. Maybe just a case of inexperience?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 01, 2009, 11:07:58 PM
Championship venues:

Powerade Senior Football Championship
Pairc Esler Friday 11th Sept 8 30
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Ref: Leo Smith
Linesmen:D Moore & G Tumelty

Pairc Esler Sunday 13th Sept 6 30
Burren v Kilcoo
Ref: G Corrigan
Linesmen:D Laverty & G Brannigan

Around a Pound Intermediate Football Championship
Pairc Esler Friday 11th Sept 7 00
Kilclief v Darragh Cross
Ref:B Rice
Linesmen:N Cousins & A Grant

Pairc Esler Sunday 13th Sept 5 00
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Ref:C Brannigan
Linesmen: J Burns & C Reynolds

Newry Democrat Junior Hurling Championship Final
Downpatrick Sat 12th Sept 3 30
Warrenpoint v Castlewellan
Ref: D Carr
Linesmen: K Mc Guinnes & D Kearns

Downpatrick Sat 12th Sept 5 00
Newry Democrat Intermediate Hurling Championship Final
Liatroim v Bredagh
Ref: Paul Branniff
Linesmen: N Morgan &  HP Mc Cusker

Newry Democrat Senior Hurling Championship Semi Final
Ballycran Sun 13th 2 30
Ballygalget v Portaferry
Ref: H Torney
Linesmen: L Quinn & C O Flynn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 02, 2009, 09:37:43 AM
QuoteAround a Pound Intermediate Football Championship
Pairc Esler Friday 11th Sept 7 00
Kilclief v Darragh Cross
Ref:B Rice
Linesmen:N Cousins & A Grant

That is fantastic news for Kilclief.  Our full back gets married on Saturday 12th.  We were convinced we'd get a Saturday fixture!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 02, 2009, 09:41:20 AM
I'm glad to hear that no.1.

Probably the only time you boys will ever be glad to hear yis have to be in Newry for a 7pm throw-in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 02, 2009, 09:59:35 AM
Too right wobbs, we might even head to Friar Tucks for a pre match meal!

The only thing is, now I have no excuse if we get beaten!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 02, 2009, 10:25:22 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 02, 2009, 09:59:35 AM
Too right wobbs, we might even head to Friar Tucks for a pre match meal!

The only thing is, now I have no excuse if we get beaten!!

NO 1 how do yous play on a big open pitch? Seen yous play on Dundrum quite often, which may as well be your second home. Our tight pitch seems to suit yous as your results have shown over the last number of years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 02, 2009, 11:09:58 AM
Big pitch suits us OK, it gives Kerr and Sloan plenty of room to do a bit of damage (although you wouldn't think it from recent results in Newry, RGU etc)!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 02, 2009, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 02, 2009, 09:37:43 AM
QuoteAround a Pound Intermediate Football Championship
Pairc Esler Friday 11th Sept 7 00
Kilclief v Darragh Cross
Ref:B Rice
Linesmen:N Cousins & A Grant

That is fantastic news for Kilclief.  Our full back gets married on Saturday 12th.  We were convinced we'd get a Saturday fixture!!

Yes,and it frees the lads up for the Bobby Dalzell fixture on the Saturday ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 02, 2009, 02:02:36 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 02, 2009, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 02, 2009, 09:37:43 AM
QuoteAround a Pound Intermediate Football Championship
Pairc Esler Friday 11th Sept 7 00
Kilclief v Darragh Cross
Ref:B Rice
Linesmen:N Cousins & A Grant

That is fantastic news for Kilclief.  Our full back gets married on Saturday 12th.  We were convinced we'd get a Saturday fixture!!

Yes,and it frees the lads up for the Bobby Dalzell fixture on the Saturday ;)

I wonder if she'll let him play the night before the wedding...she'd be fairly givin out if he got injured! ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on September 02, 2009, 02:12:38 PM
Quote from: downexile1 on September 01, 2009, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: THE DADGA on September 01, 2009, 01:18:52 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 31, 2009, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: LooK_To_ThE_FuTuRE on August 31, 2009, 08:57:37 PM
carryduff senior hurlers' first game in the betsy gray cup on wednesday.... carryduff to stun ballyvarley and come out on top by 5pts.

If they play the way they did in the first half v Warrenpoint in the JHC they have every chance!
if i had to put money on it i would say carryduff will beat ballyvarley: as i said about the game against castlewellan their players just dont have the pace to stick with even an en experienced carryduff side, especially on a big field! Carryduff to win handy enough.

dadga you seem to have it in for ballyvarley ,,any reason for this??????????????????????
Ach well i wouldn say i have it in for them., personally i think they've did quite well this year compared to previous years! However, beatin severely poor Ards 3rd's teams and weakened inland teams doesnt warrant much praise. As the championship shown!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 02, 2009, 02:23:17 PM
Quote from: D4S on September 02, 2009, 02:02:36 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 02, 2009, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 02, 2009, 09:37:43 AM
QuoteAround a Pound Intermediate Football Championship
Pairc Esler Friday 11th Sept 7 00
Kilclief v Darragh Cross
Ref:B Rice
Linesmen:N Cousins & A Grant

That is fantastic news for Kilclief.  Our full back gets married on Saturday 12th.  We were convinced we'd get a Saturday fixture!!

Yes,and it frees the lads up for the Bobby Dalzell fixture on the Saturday ;)

I wonder if she'll let him play the night before the wedding...she'd be fairly givin out if he got injured! ::)

He'll be better wearing the Micro hurling helmet to protect the good looks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedDragon on September 02, 2009, 02:53:36 PM
Quote from: THE DADGA on September 02, 2009, 02:12:38 PM
Quote from: downexile1 on September 01, 2009, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: THE DADGA on September 01, 2009, 01:18:52 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 31, 2009, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: LooK_To_ThE_FuTuRE on August 31, 2009, 08:57:37 PM
carryduff senior hurlers' first game in the betsy gray cup on wednesday.... carryduff to stun ballyvarley and come out on top by 5pts.

If they play the way they did in the first half v Warrenpoint in the JHC they have every chance!
if i had to put money on it i would say carryduff will beat ballyvarley: as i said about the game against castlewellan their players just dont have the pace to stick with even an en experienced carryduff side, especially on a big field! Carryduff to win handy enough.

dadga you seem to have it in for ballyvarley ,,any reason for this??????????????????????
Ach well i wouldn say i have it in for them., personally i think they've did quite well this year compared to previous years! However, beatin severely poor Ards 3rd's teams and weakened inland teams doesnt warrant much praise. As the championship shown!


i see a lot of people talking very negatively about Ballyvarley on this site recently and as a Ballyvarley man i cant see why other people would not like to see us do well. after all, its not like we have the rivalry at this side of the water that the Ards teams have!!!!

I do agree that we do suffer from having a generaly slow team though we do have about 4 boys who could keep with the fastest people in the county any day of the week, unfortunatley these lads have been more or less unavailable all year or having been playing there best. but if they would have been right come championship things would have been alot different!!!

good luck to carryduff tonite and i hope Ballyvarle can win handy  enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on September 02, 2009, 03:52:09 PM
Loughinisland beat Liatrom last night. Mickey Curran refeering, was a disaster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on September 02, 2009, 06:15:32 PM
Quote from: RedDragon on September 02, 2009, 02:53:36 PM
Quote from: THE DADGA on September 02, 2009, 02:12:38 PM
Quote from: downexile1 on September 01, 2009, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: THE DADGA on September 01, 2009, 01:18:52 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 31, 2009, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: LooK_To_ThE_FuTuRE on August 31, 2009, 08:57:37 PM
carryduff senior hurlers' first game in the betsy gray cup on wednesday.... carryduff to stun ballyvarley and come out on top by 5pts.

If they play the way they did in the first half v Warrenpoint in the JHC they have every chance!
if i had to put money on it i would say carryduff will beat ballyvarley: as i said about the game against castlewellan their players just dont have the pace to stick with even an en experienced carryduff side, especially on a big field! Carryduff to win handy enough.

dadga you seem to have it in for ballyvarley ,,any reason for this??????????????????????
Ach well i wouldn say i have it in for them., personally i think they've did quite well this year compared to previous years! However, beatin severely poor Ards 3rd's teams and weakened inland teams doesnt warrant much praise. As the championship shown!


i see a lot of people talking very negatively about Ballyvarley on this site recently and as a Ballyvarley man i cant see why other people would not like to see us do well. after all, its not like we have the rivalry at this side of the water that the Ards teams have!!!!

I do agree that we do suffer from having a generaly slow team though we do have about 4 boys who could keep with the fastest people in the county any day of the week, unfortunatley these lads have been more or less unavailable all year or having been playing there best. but if they would have been right come championship things would have been alot different!!!

good luck to carryduff tonite and i hope Ballyvarle can win handy  enough
Red Dragon. I would go as far as to say i know the majority of the ballyvarley boys well enough. Who are these four boys that can stick with anyone, and why have they not been playing this year???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 02, 2009, 07:28:43 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 01, 2009, 10:23:54 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 01, 2009, 10:13:37 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 01, 2009, 10:00:06 PM
St. Johns certainly flying and beating the top team twice in a season is certainly no mean feat.
Bryansford beat Clonduff 2-12 to 2-08

Strange season, we beat them twice  ::) go figure

Very odd season for Bredagh. You's have made the playoffs the past two years and I definitely thought that Bredagh would have been the team to make a real stab at the playoffs this year again.

That was a bad defeat at home to Saul. Whats happened the squad Square Ball? I see that a lot of young lads have made the step up. Maybe just a case of inexperience?

No idea what happened DF, they were up for it, the better team won so no excuses offered
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 02, 2009, 11:38:23 PM
1997 Senior football final
(Possible finalist in 2009)
Burren 2.10 Clonduff 0.12

Burren team
Gary Walsh
Brendan McKernan, Joe Magee, Ronan McGovern;
Leo Magee, Ciaran Doyle, Garnett McFerran;
Sean Ward, Gavin Murdock;
Paul McGovern, John Treanor, Rory Mussen;
Jimmy McAlinden, Tom Fegan, Aidan McGivern;

Clonduff
Johnny McAleavey;
Paul McConville, Paul Shields, Martin McAvoy;
Eugene O'Hagan, Paul McShane, Tony Wilson;
John Morgan, Plunkett McConville;
Jayme Farrell, Ross Carr, Paudie Matthews;
Shane Ward, Daniel McPolin, Sean Curran


Previous meetings of Down Senor football semi finalists


2003
Burren 0.10 Kilcoo 2.5

Burren team
Mark Rocks;
Ronan McGivern, Ciaran Doyle?, Brain Murphy;
Aidan McGivern, Ciaran Byrne, Ronan McGovern 0.1;
Sean Ward,  Gavin Murdock 0.3;
Eoin McCartan, Brendan McKernan,  J. McGovern 0.1;
Paudie Bradley 0.2, James McCartan 0.2, PJ McAlinden 0.1;
Subs used
John Treanor, Declan Rooney and Chris McGovern.

James Kane;
Kevin Morgan 0.1, Aidan Brannigan, Brian O'Hanlon;
Conor Morgan, Sean O'Hanlon, Gerard McAvoy;
Terry O'Hanlon, Dominic McAvoy 0.1;
Anthony Devlin, Emmett Devlin, Mark Brannigan 1.3
Conor Lavery, Martin Johnstone, Gary McAvoy 1.0;
Subs used
Donal Kane, Barry Morgan, Niall McAvoy and Jerome Johnstone


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 03, 2009, 10:41:31 AM
Quote from: umpire on September 02, 2009, 11:38:23 PM
1997 Senior football final
(Possible finalist in 2009)
Burren 2.10 Clonduff 0.12

Burren team
Gary Walsh
Brendan McKernan, Joe Magee, Ronan McGovern;
Leo Magee, Ciaran Doyle, Garnett McFerran;
Sean Ward, Gavin Murdock;
Paul McGovern, John Treanor, Rory Mussen;
Jimmy McAlinden, Tom Fegan, Aidan McGivern;

Clonduff
Johnny McAleavey;
Paul McConville, Paul Shields, Martin McAvoy;
Eugene O'Hagan, Paul McShane, Tony Wilson;
John Morgan, Plunkett McConville;
Jayme Farrell, Ross Carr, Paudie Matthews;
Shane Ward, Daniel McPolin, Sean Curran


Previous meetings of Down Senor football semi finalists


2003
Burren 0.10 Kilcoo 2.5

Burren team
Mark Rocks;
Ronan McGivern, Ciaran Doyle?, Brain Murphy;
Aidan McGivern, Ciaran Byrne, Ronan McGovern 0.1;
Sean Ward,  Gavin Murdock 0.3;
Eoin McCartan, Brendan McKernan,  J. McGovern 0.1;
Paudie Bradley 0.2, James McCartan 0.2, PJ McAlinden 0.1;
Subs used
John Treanor, Declan Rooney and Chris McGovern.

James Kane;
Kevin Morgan 0.1, Aidan Brannigan, Brian O'Hanlon;
Conor Morgan, Sean O'Hanlon, Gerard McAvoy;
Terry O'Hanlon, Dominic McAvoy 0.1;
Anthony Devlin, Emmett Devlin, Mark Brannigan 1.3
Conor Lavery, Martin Johnstone, Gary McAvoy 1.0;
Subs used
Donal Kane, Barry Morgan, Niall McAvoy and Jerome Johnstone

Is Mark Brannigan the guy that transfered to Drumgath?There definitely was a Brannagain that transfered but not sure if it was Mark. As my da would say he was a good un, if it the same fella I am talking about.
Title: RFC
Post by: No1 on September 03, 2009, 10:48:18 AM
I am making no more comments on our full back as he is an animal and I'd prefer to keep my limbs intact!!  His wife to be has three brothers on the squad so I'd say she is under severe pressure to let him line out!

Anyone got any idea when the Reserve Championship semi finals are scheduled for or even what the draw is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Upperbann on September 03, 2009, 11:19:41 AM
Quote from: umpire on September 02, 2009, 11:38:23 PM
1997 Senior football final
(Possible finalist in 2009)
Burren 2.10 Clonduff 0.12

Burren team
Gary Walsh
Brendan McKernan, Joe Magee, Ronan McGovern;
Leo Magee, Ciaran Doyle, Garnett McFerran;
Sean Ward, Gavin Murdock;
Paul McGovern, John Treanor, Rory Mussen;
Jimmy McAlinden, Tom Fegan, Aidan McGivern;

Clonduff
Johnny McAleavey;
Paul McConville, Paul Shields, Martin McAvoy;
Eugene O'Hagan, Paul McShane, Tony Wilson;
John Morgan, Plunkett McConville;
Jayme Farrell, Ross Carr, Paudie Matthews;
Shane Ward, Daniel McPolin, Sean Curran


Previous meetings of Down Senor football semi finalists


2003
Burren 0.10 Kilcoo 2.5

Burren team
Mark Rocks;
Ronan McGivern, Ciaran Doyle?, Brain Murphy;
Aidan McGivern, Ciaran Byrne, Ronan McGovern 0.1;
Sean Ward,  Gavin Murdock 0.3;
Eoin McCartan, Brendan McKernan,  J. McGovern 0.1;
Paudie Bradley 0.2, James McCartan 0.2, PJ McAlinden 0.1;
Subs used
John Treanor, Declan Rooney and Chris McGovern.

James Kane;
Kevin Morgan 0.1, Aidan Brannigan, Brian O'Hanlon;
Conor Morgan, Sean O'Hanlon, Gerard McAvoy;
Terry O'Hanlon, Dominic McAvoy 0.1;
Anthony Devlin, Emmett Devlin, Mark Brannigan 1.3
Conor Lavery, Martin Johnstone, Gary McAvoy 1.0;
Subs used
Donal Kane, Barry Morgan, Niall McAvoy and Jerome Johnstone

Think there's 5 of that Clonduff team in 97 still playing on the 09 team - not bad going - Paul McConville, Plunkett McConville, Paul McShane, Shane Ward and Paide Matthews.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: niveaformen on September 03, 2009, 11:56:06 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 03, 2009, 10:41:31 AM
Quote from: umpire on September 02, 2009, 11:38:23 PM
1997 Senior football final
(Possible finalist in 2009)
Burren 2.10 Clonduff 0.12

Burren team
Gary Walsh
Brendan McKernan, Joe Magee, Ronan McGovern;
Leo Magee, Ciaran Doyle, Garnett McFerran;
Sean Ward, Gavin Murdock;
Paul McGovern, John Treanor, Rory Mussen;
Jimmy McAlinden, Tom Fegan, Aidan McGivern;

Clonduff
Johnny McAleavey;
Paul McConville, Paul Shields, Martin McAvoy;
Eugene O'Hagan, Paul McShane, Tony Wilson;
John Morgan, Plunkett McConville;
Jayme Farrell, Ross Carr, Paudie Matthews;
Shane Ward, Daniel McPolin, Sean Curran


Previous meetings of Down Senor football semi finalists


2003
Burren 0.10 Kilcoo 2.5

Burren team
Mark Rocks;
Ronan McGivern, Ciaran Doyle?, Brain Murphy;
Aidan McGivern, Ciaran Byrne, Ronan McGovern 0.1;
Sean Ward,  Gavin Murdock 0.3;
Eoin McCartan, Brendan McKernan,  J. McGovern 0.1;
Paudie Bradley 0.2, James McCartan 0.2, PJ McAlinden 0.1;
Subs used
John Treanor, Declan Rooney and Chris McGovern.

James Kane;
Kevin Morgan 0.1, Aidan Brannigan, Brian O'Hanlon;
Conor Morgan, Sean O'Hanlon, Gerard McAvoy;
Terry O'Hanlon, Dominic McAvoy 0.1;
Anthony Devlin, Emmett Devlin, Mark Brannigan 1.3
Conor Lavery, Martin Johnstone, Gary McAvoy 1.0;
Subs used
Donal Kane, Barry Morgan, Niall McAvoy and Jerome Johnstone

Is Mark Brannigan the guy that transfered to Drumgath?There definitely was a Brannagain that transfered but not sure if it was Mark. As my da would say he was a good un, if it the same fella I am talking about.

Yes its the same lad, Aidan and Niall Brannigans older brother
Title: Re: RFC
Post by: johnneycool on September 03, 2009, 01:42:26 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 03, 2009, 10:48:18 AM
I am making no more comments on our full back as he is an animal and I'd prefer to keep my limbs intact!!  His wife to be has three brothers on the squad so I'd say she is under severe pressure to let him line out!


And you have the cheek to talk about us!!

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 03, 2009, 01:55:06 PM
There's no comeback to that!   :D

What can I say?  We don't like to dilute the bloodlines!  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 03, 2009, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: Upperbann on September 03, 2009, 11:19:41 AM
Quote from: umpire on September 02, 2009, 11:38:23 PM
1997 Senior football final
(Possible finalist in 2009)
Burren 2.10 Clonduff 0.12

Burren team
Gary Walsh
Brendan McKernan, Joe Magee, Ronan McGovern;
Leo Magee, Ciaran Doyle, Garnett McFerran;
Sean Ward, Gavin Murdock;
Paul McGovern, John Treanor, Rory Mussen;
Jimmy McAlinden, Tom Fegan, Aidan McGivern;

Clonduff
Johnny McAleavey;
Paul McConville, Paul Shields, Martin McAvoy;
Eugene O'Hagan, Paul McShane, Tony Wilson;
John Morgan, Plunkett McConville;
Jayme Farrell, Ross Carr, Paudie Matthews;
Shane Ward, Daniel McPolin, Sean Curran


Previous meetings of Down Senor football semi finalists


2003
Burren 0.10 Kilcoo 2.5

Burren team
Mark Rocks;
Ronan McGivern, Ciaran Doyle?, Brain Murphy;
Aidan McGivern, Ciaran Byrne, Ronan McGovern 0.1;
Sean Ward,  Gavin Murdock 0.3;
Eoin McCartan, Brendan McKernan,  J. McGovern 0.1;
Paudie Bradley 0.2, James McCartan 0.2, PJ McAlinden 0.1;
Subs used
John Treanor, Declan Rooney and Chris McGovern.

James Kane;
Kevin Morgan 0.1, Aidan Brannigan, Brian O'Hanlon;
Conor Morgan, Sean O'Hanlon, Gerard McAvoy;
Terry O'Hanlon, Dominic McAvoy 0.1;
Anthony Devlin, Emmett Devlin, Mark Brannigan 1.3
Conor Lavery, Martin Johnstone, Gary McAvoy 1.0;
Subs used
Donal Kane, Barry Morgan, Niall McAvoy and Jerome Johnstone

Think there's 5 of that Clonduff team in 97 still playing on the 09 team - not bad going - Paul McConville, Plunkett McConville, Paul McShane, Shane Ward and Paide Matthews.
And Daniel McPolin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on September 03, 2009, 06:04:32 PM
So are you still playing for the reserves no.1? Good to see young Merron playing. Coached him at u-16. Handy enough player and so is his brother.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on September 03, 2009, 08:20:55 PM
Quote from: THE DADGA on September 02, 2009, 06:15:32 PM
Quote from: RedDragon on September 02, 2009, 02:53:36 PM
Quote from: THE DADGA on September 02, 2009, 02:12:38 PM
Quote from: downexile1 on September 01, 2009, 10:11:52 PM
Quote from: THE DADGA on September 01, 2009, 01:18:52 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 31, 2009, 09:18:39 PM
Quote from: LooK_To_ThE_FuTuRE on August 31, 2009, 08:57:37 PM
carryduff senior hurlers' first game in the betsy gray cup on wednesday.... carryduff to stun ballyvarley and come out on top by 5pts.

If they play the way they did in the first half v Warrenpoint in the JHC they have every chance!
if i had to put money on it i would say carryduff will beat ballyvarley: as i said about the game against castlewellan their players just dont have the pace to stick with even an en experienced carryduff side, especially on a big field! Carryduff to win handy enough.

dadga you seem to have it in for ballyvarley ,,any reason for this??????????????????????
Ach well i wouldn say i have it in for them., personally i think they've did quite well this year compared to previous years! However, beatin severely poor Ards 3rd's teams and weakened inland teams doesnt warrant much praise. As the championship shown!


i see a lot of people talking very negatively about Ballyvarley on this site recently and as a Ballyvarley man i cant see why other people would not like to see us do well. after all, its not like we have the rivalry at this side of the water that the Ards teams have!!!!

I do agree that we do suffer from having a generaly slow team though we do have about 4 boys who could keep with the fastest people in the county any day of the week, unfortunatley these lads have been more or less unavailable all year or having been playing there best. but if they would have been right come championship things would have been alot different!!!

good luck to carryduff tonite and i hope Ballyvarle can win handy  enough
Red Dragon. I would go as far as to say i know the majority of the ballyvarley boys well enough. Who are these four boys that can stick with anyone, and why have they not been playing this year???

(http://www.toursaver.com/images/toursaver.com/Image/alaska-fishing.jpg)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 03, 2009, 10:21:38 PM
QuoteSo are you still playing for the reserves no.1? Good to see young Merron playing. Coached him at u-16. Handy enough player and so is his brother.

Whenever selected!  Even managed a few games for the seniors this year.   :o

Young Merron is superfit and a good un but he fancies himself big style.  He made himself available for the reserves for the first time last week, he'd rather warm the bench for the seniors!  In saying that he was the best player on the park last Saturday, even Rinty said so.    ;D

That's the problem with those Ards boys, ideas above their station.........................

Any word of you flying home for the reserve semi final to complete the early 90's full back line?  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 03, 2009, 10:37:58 PM
Glenn beat bosco after 10mins a half extra time 2nite,

think it was 1.16 to 2.12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 03, 2009, 11:15:30 PM
Complete Quarter-final prediction league after Glenn beating  Bosco atter extra time in replayed game tonight.

1   10      Bacon
2   10      behind the wire
3   10      souljaboy
4   9      Johnnie99
5   9      marsbarkid
6   9      No1
7   8      DownFanatic
8   8      eyeswideopen
9   8      goalswingames
10   8      Green + Gold
11   8      Iroberts680
12   8      Islandboy
13   8      Mid Down Gael
14   8      mourenrambler
15   8      off the laces
16   8      Supersub
17   8      TheClutch
18   8      thewobbler
19   8      Trevor Hill
20   8      True Blue
21   7      Bitta-Banter
22   7      BRIDGE LAD
23   7      Dubh driocht
24   7      dundroma
25   7      dunrumite
26   7      Fender
27   7      Fitroyalty
28   7      Idontbelieveit
29   7      lfdown2
30   7      meatsy86
31   7      Niall Quinn
32   7      passedit
33   7      Square Ball
34   7      The Worker
35   6      amallon
36   6      D45
37   6      dodgy umpire
38   6      Down6061689194
39   6      general
40   6      minus15
41   6      Mourne Rover
42   6      Statto-Gael
43   6      stiff breeze
44   6      T O Hare
45   6      western exile
46   5      An Cloch Scoilte
47   5      Bredaghgael86
48   5      Brick Tamlin
49   5      cloneman
50   5      umpire
51   1      miss mess


Overall prediction league

1   26      Bacon
2   24      DownFanatic
3   24      Johnnie99
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on September 03, 2009, 11:15:48 PM
Saw on RGU website there that the game against Ballyholland has been put back for a few weeks and will be played under lights probably at end of september?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 03, 2009, 11:20:47 PM
Senior Football Finalist
Championship winners
Burren 11
1966, 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1992, 1996, 1997
1997 final; Burren 2.10 Clonduff 0.12
Last final appearance, 2006; Burren 0.4 Mayobridge 2.10

Clonduff 9
1930, 1944, 1945, 1947, 1949, 1952, 1957, 1980, 2000
2000 final; Clonduff 1.17 Liatriom 0.11
Last finalappearance, 2000 as above

Kilcoo 9
1917, 1921, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1932, 1933, 1937
1937 Final; Kilcoo beat Mayobridge
Last final appearance; 1948 Kicoo 1.5 Warrenpoint 4.1

Loughinisland 2
1975, 1989
1989 final; Loughinisland 1.12 Byransford 0.7
Last final appearance; 2008, Loughinisland 0.8 Mayobridge 0.12

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 03, 2009, 11:54:25 PM
anyone have latest div one table? cant get on down site!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on September 04, 2009, 12:09:06 AM
League table for O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Mayobridge  18 14 2 2 274 212 62 30
Bryansford  18 13 3 2 290 210 80 28
Burren  18 9 5 4 222 194 28 22
Longstone  18 10 6 2 273 248 25 22
Kilcoo  17 10 6 1 229 222 7 21
Rostrevor  18 9 8 1 212 215 -3 19
Castlewellan  18 9 9 0 206 213 -7 18
Saval  17 7 8 2 216 247 -31 16
Liatroim  18 6 10 2 193 211 -18 14
Clonduff  18 6 11 1 244 238 6 13
Loughinisland  18 2 13 3 190 246 -56 7
Warrenpoint  18 1 15 2 197 290 -93 4

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 04, 2009, 12:43:32 AM
cheers!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 04, 2009, 10:16:10 AM
Quote from: general on September 03, 2009, 10:37:58 PM
Glenn beat bosco after 10mins a half extra time 2nite,

think it was 1.16 to 2.12

Has the draw been made for the junior semi final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 04, 2009, 11:08:23 AM
dont know. we havent heard a thing. i was expecting it to be made last night after the game but no word of it. dromara ones have thought they play teconnaught since last week but not sure about this as everyone else seems to be in the dark
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 04, 2009, 04:10:20 PM
Anyone name the Down U-21 players pictured in todays Irish News?Alls i got was Ross Carr, Mickey Linden,Bundy Mason,also think its Sean Devlin from Kilcoo also in there.Some stylish haircuts on show.
Also who is Mr Muscles on the far right?Hes like that fella that jumped into the Man Utd team photo the other year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 04, 2009, 04:46:14 PM
I think the guy without the jersey on the right is Tony McArdle of Burren, who missed the final through injury. Anyway, the starting 15 was - D McCurry; C Mooney, A Murdoch, D Kearney; M Doyle, M Lynch (capt), S McVeigh; S Mudoch, R Carr; L Heaney, C Doyle, M Linden; DJ Kane, D Durkan, P Woods. Bundy Mason came on for Woods after Kearney was sent off right on half time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 04, 2009, 08:13:18 PM
Dundrum beat st paul's well. 5-15 to 2-4. McComiskey top scored with 3-5 but the highlight for me was Down Fanatic showing a 2 year old how its done with a fine 35 yard effort at half time. :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 04, 2009, 08:21:03 PM
Mayobridge 2.11 Longstone 2.11
Stone scored 1.1 in injury time to snatch a draw.

Rostrevor 1.14 Saval 0.7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 04, 2009, 08:25:17 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on September 04, 2009, 08:13:18 PM
Dundrum beat st paul's well. 5-15 to 2-4. McComiskey top scored with 3-5 but the highlight for me was Down Fanatic showing a 2 year old how its done with a fine 35 yard effort at half time. :P

I was just passing on some highly useful shooting techniques to the younger generation. They'll thank me for it some day  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on September 04, 2009, 09:15:19 PM
O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Rostrevor  1-14 0-7 Saval   
Liatroim  4-11 1-6 Warrenpoint   
Loughinisland  1-9 1-9 Kilcoo   
Mayobridge  2-11 2-11 Longstone   
O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Clann na Banna  0-7 1-12 Ballymartin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on September 04, 2009, 09:32:29 PM
con lavery was the ref tonight at the stone -v- bridge match.  absolute disgrace.  he was lucky there wasnt a riot there tonight.  im surprised he even let us have a draw.  final score was 2.11-2.11.  bridge had a man sent off, straight red.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 04, 2009, 09:35:28 PM
Quote from: miss mess on September 04, 2009, 09:32:29 PM
con lavery was the ref tonight at the stone -v- bridge match.  absolute disgrace.  he was lucky there wasnt a riot there tonight.  im surprised he even let us have a draw.  final score was 2.11-2.11.  bridge had a man sent off, straight red.

Miss mess have you confused two refs there? Con Reynolds and Damine Lavery. or is there actually a Con Lavery? Just I have never heard of him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on September 04, 2009, 10:09:23 PM
reynolds you're right, duno what i was thinking there.  still reeling from that showdown.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 04, 2009, 10:12:30 PM
Bredagh beat Teconnaught by 3.

whats the craic with the other scores, are there any for div 3?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Yes I Would on September 04, 2009, 10:13:21 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 04, 2009, 09:35:28 PM
Quote from: miss mess on September 04, 2009, 09:32:29 PM
con lavery was the ref tonight at the stone -v- bridge match.  absolute disgrace.  he was lucky there wasnt a riot there tonight.  im surprised he even let us have a draw.  final score was 2.11-2.11.  bridge had a man sent off, straight red.

Miss mess have you confused two refs there? Con Reynolds and Damine Lavery. or is there actually a Con Lavery? Just I have never heard of him.

Sure is! Bridge Street, Banbridge.. He knows how to charge!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: miss mess on September 04, 2009, 10:17:22 PM
ha, the solicitor, is it? thats where i know the name from, i knew i didnt totally make it up lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 04, 2009, 10:25:22 PM
Rostrevor  1-14 0-7 Saval  Rostrevor   
Liatroim  4-11 1-6 Warrenpoint  Liatroim   
Loughinisland  1-9 1-9 Kilcoo  Loughinisland   
Clonduff  0-8 0-12 Burren  Clonduff   
Mayobridge  2-11 2-11 Longstone  Mayobridge   
O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Carryduff  0-6 4-10 Shamrocks  Carryduff   
Annaclone  1-11 4-7 Glasdrumman  Annaclone   
An Riocht  2-12 1-6 Kilclief  An Riocht   
Clann na Banna  0-7 1-12 Ballymartin  Clann na Banna   
O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Teconnaught  0-7 1-7 Bredagh  Teconnaught   
Dundrum  5-15 2-4 St Pauls  Dundrum   
St Johns  0-12 0-12 Drumaness  St Johns
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on September 04, 2009, 11:55:08 PM
Castlewellan Hurlers won the Ulster League 5 tonight- great achievement!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 04, 2009, 11:59:11 PM
Quote from: Yes I Would on September 04, 2009, 10:13:21 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 04, 2009, 09:35:28 PM
Quote from: miss mess on September 04, 2009, 09:32:29 PM
con lavery was the ref tonight at the stone -v- bridge match.  absolute disgrace.  he was lucky there wasnt a riot there tonight.  im surprised he even let us have a draw.  final score was 2.11-2.11.  bridge had a man sent off, straight red.

Miss mess have you confused two refs there? Con Reynolds and Damine Lavery. or is there actually a Con Lavery? Just I have never heard of him.

Sure is! Bridge Street, Banbridge.. He knows how to charge!!


'Yes I Would' You've been paying my wages the last few summers... cheers! :D


Quote from: Town Gael on September 04, 2009, 11:55:08 PM
Castlewellan Hurlers won the Ulster League 5 tonight- great achievement!!!

Well down Castlewellan, steadying the ship this year after a few wayward seasons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on September 05, 2009, 08:10:07 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 04, 2009, 10:12:30 PM
Bredagh beat Teconnaught by 3.

whats the craic with the other scores, are there any for div 3?
Saul 3-8  Drumgath 2-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on September 05, 2009, 08:53:24 AM
Kilcoo were very lucky last night and got out of jail by getting a draw.

They played very poorly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on September 05, 2009, 09:22:44 AM
Drumgath showed a lot of character tonight by beating Saul.Again the ref was atrocious he brought two so called neutral umpires with him from Downpatrick 2 miles up the road from Saul who at half time all stood in the middle of the field and had the craic with the Saul officials,nothing intended to the Saul officials but they should have taken them selves off to the changing rooms at half time,after one of the umpires sent one of the Drumgath players off,and I have to say rightly so for striking with the elbow after he was struck with the elbow the correct decision was to send both off, the Saul man got a yellow card.The ref looked very unsure of him self all night and time and time again giving the wrong decision,he was being bartered by the Drumgath supporters he was missing obvious fouls right in front of him which only serves to create frustration in the game,don't get me wrong this was not a dirty game Saul, it has to be said just got on with their game. On the way out of the game I had to laugh as a Saul supporter who was giving the ref stick for giving a bad decision against them "come on mate what about the one hundred that went for you ",god loves a trier.
The game started off with Drumgath going in to a strong 5 point lead,but then Saul hit back with a couple of points and a goal,Saul then started to find their feet with some fast ball being played into their forward line they started to cause problems in there picking off some fine scores.The game was unfairly tipped on its head when a Drumgath defender and a Saul forward got involved in an off the ball incident with the umpire catching the Drumgath defender striking with the elbow and not seeing what the Saul player did ,or, just ignoring it the drumgath player got his marching orders and the Saul player unfairly got a yellow card.But as on many occasions this seamed to spur Drmgath on and they finished the half in the ascendancy with Saul going in at half time 2 points up.The second half started with Saul the strongest they seamed to be beating Drumgath all over the field they were now picking off points off at every attack this matched seamed to be slipping away from Drumgath as they now had to battle against an extra man two umpires and the referee.Saul then went on the attack an this time they found the net man u style.But Drumgath were not to be denied as they put their heads done and started to chip away at the six point deficient some fine moves finished over the bar and some strong running from Jack Lynch who finished off a superb move to the net combined with some excellent free taking form Mark Connelly pulled Drumgath back into this game.There were only 8 mins left on the Saul scoreboard clock when again big Jack surged up the field,a good move was finished off with Jack hitting a shot that the keeper could just palm out into the path off Cathal Grant who stuck this one away to leave Drumgath one up time ticked on and some good tackling from the Drumgath defence kept Saul from the scoring zone.Drumgath again surged up the field and just needed to keep possion a shot went wide and with the resultant kick Colm Maginn caught the ball and with a run,than more mature than his tender years slotted the ball over the bar to leave 2 points in it.This proved to be the last action of the game and a very good and a very important win for Drumgath.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on September 05, 2009, 09:41:50 AM
does anyone know how the Glen v Ardglass game went
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 05, 2009, 09:50:12 AM
"REF GETS STICK AT GAA MATCH!"

Headline on the back page of today's Irish News. I didn't buy the paper. Which of our games was it referrring to?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 05, 2009, 09:54:58 AM
glenn played the junior champ replay thurs nite tirnaog, glenn now have 2 outstanding fixtures

Glenn V Ardglass (to be played Monday 7th sept)
St Pauls V Glenn (Not sure when)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 05, 2009, 10:01:34 AM
Quote from: Whitehair on September 04, 2009, 11:59:11 PM
Quote from: Yes I Would on September 04, 2009, 10:13:21 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 04, 2009, 09:35:28 PM
Quote from: miss mess on September 04, 2009, 09:32:29 PM
con lavery was the ref tonight at the stone -v- bridge match.  absolute disgrace.  he was lucky there wasnt a riot there tonight.  im surprised he even let us have a draw.  final score was 2.11-2.11.  bridge had a man sent off, straight red.

Miss mess have you confused two refs there? Con Reynolds and Damine Lavery. or is there actually a Con Lavery? Just I have never heard of him.

Sure is! Bridge Street, Banbridge.. He knows how to charge!!


'Yes I Would' You've been paying my wages the last few summers... cheers! :D


Quote from: Town Gael on September 04, 2009, 11:55:08 PM
Castlewellan Hurlers won the Ulster League 5 tonight- great achievement!!!

Well down Castlewellan, steadying the ship this year after a few wayward seasons.

after reading that i thought you had started recruiting referees whitehair!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Carbery on September 05, 2009, 10:15:44 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 05, 2009, 09:50:12 AM
"REF GETS STICK AT GAA MATCH!"

Headline on the back page of today's Irish News. I didn't buy the paper. Which of our games was it referrring to?

Why did you not buy the paper?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 05, 2009, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: tirnaog on September 05, 2009, 09:22:44 AM
Drumgath showed a lot of character tonight by beating Saul.Again the ref was atrocious he brought two so called neutral umpires with him from Downpatrick 2 miles up the road from Saul who at half time all stood in the middle of the field and had the craic with the Saul officials,nothing intended to the Saul officials but they should have taken them selves off to the changing rooms at half time,after one of the umpires sent one of the Drumgath players off,and I have to say rightly so for striking with the elbow after he was struck with the elbow the correct decision was to send both off, the Saul man got a yellow card.The ref looked very unsure of him self all night and time and time again giving the wrong decision,he was being bartered by the Drumgath supporters he was missing obvious fouls right in front of him which only serves to create frustration in the game,don't get me wrong this was not a dirty game Saul, it has to be said just got on with their game. On the way out of the game I had to laugh as a Saul supporter who was giving the ref stick for giving a bad decision against them "come on mate what about the one hundred that went for you ",god loves a trier.
The game started off with Drumgath going in to a strong 5 point lead,but then Saul hit back with a couple of points and a goal,Saul then started to find their feet with some fast ball being played into their forward line they started to cause problems in there picking off some fine scores.The game was unfairly tipped on its head when a Drumgath defender and a Saul forward got involved in an off the ball incident with the umpire catching the Drumgath defender striking with the elbow and not seeing what the Saul player did ,or, just ignoring it the drumgath player got his marching orders and the Saul player unfairly got a yellow card.But as on many occasions this seamed to spur Drmgath on and they finished the half in the ascendancy with Saul going in at half time 2 points up.The second half started with Saul the strongest they seamed to be beating Drumgath all over the field they were now picking off points off at every attack this matched seamed to be slipping away from Drumgath as they now had to battle against an extra man two umpires and the referee.Saul then went on the attack an this time they found the net man u style.But Drumgath were not to be denied as they put their heads done and started to chip away at the six point deficient some fine moves finished over the bar and some strong running from Jack Lynch who finished off a superb move to the net combined with some excellent free taking form Mark Connelly pulled Drumgath back into this game.There were only 8 mins left on the Saul scoreboard clock when again big Jack surged up the field,a good move was finished off with Jack hitting a shot that the keeper could just palm out into the path off Cathal Grant who stuck this one away to leave Drumgath one up time ticked on and some good tackling from the Drumgath defence kept Saul from the scoring zone.Drumgath again surged up the field and just needed to keep possion a shot went wide and with the resultant kick Colm Maginn caught the ball and with a run,than more mature than his tender years slotted the ball over the bar to leave 2 points in it.This proved to be the last action of the game and a very good and a very important win for Drumgath.

Would you be from Drumgath by any chance??  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on September 05, 2009, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 05, 2009, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: tirnaog on September 05, 2009, 09:22:44 AM
Drumgath showed a lot of character tonight by beating Saul.Again the ref was atrocious he brought two so called neutral umpires with him from Downpatrick 2 miles up the road from Saul who at half time all stood in the middle of the field and had the craic with the Saul officials,nothing intended to the Saul officials but they should have taken them selves off to the changing rooms at half time,after one of the umpires sent one of the Drumgath players off,and I have to say rightly so for striking with the elbow after he was struck with the elbow the correct decision was to send both off, the Saul man got a yellow card.The ref looked very unsure of him self all night and time and time again giving the wrong decision,he was being bartered by the Drumgath supporters he was missing obvious fouls right in front of him which only serves to create frustration in the game,don't get me wrong this was not a dirty game Saul, it has to be said just got on with their game. On the way out of the game I had to laugh as a Saul supporter who was giving the ref stick for giving a bad decision against them "come on mate what about the one hundred that went for you ",god loves a trier.
The game started off with Drumgath going in to a strong 5 point lead,but then Saul hit back with a couple of points and a goal,Saul then started to find their feet with some fast ball being played into their forward line they started to cause problems in there picking off some fine scores.The game was unfairly tipped on its head when a Drumgath defender and a Saul forward got involved in an off the ball incident with the umpire catching the Drumgath defender striking with the elbow and not seeing what the Saul player did ,or, just ignoring it the drumgath player got his marching orders and the Saul player unfairly got a yellow card.But as on many occasions this seamed to spur Drmgath on and they finished the half in the ascendancy with Saul going in at half time 2 points up.The second half started with Saul the strongest they seamed to be beating Drumgath all over the field they were now picking off points off at every attack this matched seamed to be slipping away from Drumgath as they now had to battle against an extra man two umpires and the referee.Saul then went on the attack an this time they found the net man u style.But Drumgath were not to be denied as they put their heads done and started to chip away at the six point deficient some fine moves finished over the bar and some strong running from Jack Lynch who finished off a superb move to the net combined with some excellent free taking form Mark Connelly pulled Drumgath back into this game.There were only 8 mins left on the Saul scoreboard clock when again big Jack surged up the field,a good move was finished off with Jack hitting a shot that the keeper could just palm out into the path off Cathal Grant who stuck this one away to leave Drumgath one up time ticked on and some good tackling from the Drumgath defence kept Saul from the scoring zone.Drumgath again surged up the field and just needed to keep possion a shot went wide and with the resultant kick Colm Maginn caught the ball and with a run,than more mature than his tender years slotted the ball over the bar to leave 2 points in it.This proved to be the last action of the game and a very good and a very important win for Drumgath.

Woud you be from Drumgath by any chance??  :P
is it as obvious as u being from Dundrum
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on September 05, 2009, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 05, 2009, 09:50:12 AM
"REF GETS STICK AT GAA MATCH!"

Headline on the back page of today's Irish News. I didn't buy the paper. Which of our games was it referrring to?
Ill have to check that one out but if it is referring to the Drumgath game the headline should read 'Ref deservedly gets stick at football match',I know that refs are few and far between but we have to have a certain standard and this was well below
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 05, 2009, 12:45:14 PM
Quote from: tirnaog on September 05, 2009, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 05, 2009, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: tirnaog on September 05, 2009, 09:22:44 AM
Drumgath showed a lot of character tonight by beating Saul.Again the ref was atrocious he brought two so called neutral umpires with him from Downpatrick 2 miles up the road from Saul who at half time all stood in the middle of the field and had the craic with the Saul officials,nothing intended to the Saul officials but they should have taken them selves off to the changing rooms at half time,after one of the umpires sent one of the Drumgath players off,and I have to say rightly so for striking with the elbow after he was struck with the elbow the correct decision was to send both off, the Saul man got a yellow card.The ref looked very unsure of him self all night and time and time again giving the wrong decision,he was being bartered by the Drumgath supporters he was missing obvious fouls right in front of him which only serves to create frustration in the game,don't get me wrong this was not a dirty game Saul, it has to be said just got on with their game. On the way out of the game I had to laugh as a Saul supporter who was giving the ref stick for giving a bad decision against them "come on mate what about the one hundred that went for you ",god loves a trier.
The game started off with Drumgath going in to a strong 5 point lead,but then Saul hit back with a couple of points and a goal,Saul then started to find their feet with some fast ball being played into their forward line they started to cause problems in there picking off some fine scores.The game was unfairly tipped on its head when a Drumgath defender and a Saul forward got involved in an off the ball incident with the umpire catching the Drumgath defender striking with the elbow and not seeing what the Saul player did ,or, just ignoring it the drumgath player got his marching orders and the Saul player unfairly got a yellow card.But as on many occasions this seamed to spur Drmgath on and they finished the half in the ascendancy with Saul going in at half time 2 points up.The second half started with Saul the strongest they seamed to be beating Drumgath all over the field they were now picking off points off at every attack this matched seamed to be slipping away from Drumgath as they now had to battle against an extra man two umpires and the referee.Saul then went on the attack an this time they found the net man u style.But Drumgath were not to be denied as they put their heads done and started to chip away at the six point deficient some fine moves finished over the bar and some strong running from Jack Lynch who finished off a superb move to the net combined with some excellent free taking form Mark Connelly pulled Drumgath back into this game.There were only 8 mins left on the Saul scoreboard clock when again big Jack surged up the field,a good move was finished off with Jack hitting a shot that the keeper could just palm out into the path off Cathal Grant who stuck this one away to leave Drumgath one up time ticked on and some good tackling from the Drumgath defence kept Saul from the scoring zone.Drumgath again surged up the field and just needed to keep possion a shot went wide and with the resultant kick Colm Maginn caught the ball and with a run,than more mature than his tender years slotted the ball over the bar to leave 2 points in it.This proved to be the last action of the game and a very good and a very important win for Drumgath.

Woud you be from Drumgath by any chance??  :P
is it as obvious as u being from Dundrum

Equally as obvious.

Quite an in depth report there, though wouldn't be the most neutral I have ever read.

Drumgath seem to have bounced back well from that defeat in Dundrum, beating Tullylish and then clawing back a 6 point deficit against Saul.

Division three is certainly competitive still, with Teconnaught and Saul battling it out to avoid joining Drumaness, St. Pauls and Aghaderg, who all look destined to be playing off to see who can keep their division three status. Likewise at the top its equally as tight, with Drumgath, Bredagh, St. Johns, Ardglass and Dundrum to a lesser extent still in contention to join Tullylish and Glenn whom look almost guaranteed to be in the top 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on September 05, 2009, 06:14:07 PM
thats for sure ddmite I cant think of one game the whole season that you could say was an easy one ,you certainly have to scrape for everything you get in this league but it is coming to a very close battle for top and bottom play off places
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 05, 2009, 08:25:02 PM
any results for the minor semis?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 05, 2009, 08:28:35 PM
Point - Kilcoo final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 06, 2009, 12:22:28 PM
Prediction League for Semi-finals

Senior Football

Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 06, 2009, 12:27:45 PM
From Down website
Teconnaught v Dromara 1.00
Glenn v St Pauls 2.30 (check that time, just in case)
Both games in Saval next Sunday 13th Sept
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 06, 2009, 12:28:50 PM
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermedite Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls

 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on September 06, 2009, 12:34:31 PM
Senior Football

clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermedite Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on September 06, 2009, 01:12:36 PM
Senior Football

Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo
Intermediate Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 06, 2009, 02:34:44 PM
Senior

Clonduff V loughinisland
Burren V Kilcoo

Intermediate

Darragh cross V Kilclief
Ballymartin V Ardglass

Junior

Teconnaught V Dromara
Glenn V St Pauls


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on September 06, 2009, 02:45:10 PM
Senior Football

Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo
Intermediate Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on September 06, 2009, 03:10:52 PM
Senior Football
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football
Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football
Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on September 06, 2009, 03:12:47 PM
Senior football

Clonduff V loughinisland
Burren V Kilcoo

Intermediate football

Darragh cross V Kilclief
Ballymartin V Ardglass

Junior football

Teconnaught V Dromara
Glenn V St Pauls


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 06, 2009, 03:17:59 PM
Senior Football

Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on September 06, 2009, 03:22:59 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on September 06, 2009, 02:45:10 PM
Senior Football

Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo
Intermediate Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls

I agree with all meatsys predictions umpire, can u take this as my official submission as well please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fender on September 06, 2009, 05:29:41 PM
Senior football

Clonduff V loughinisland
Burren V Kilcoo

Intermediate football

Darragh cross V Kilclief
Ballymartin V Ardglass

Junior football

Teconnaught V Dromara
Glenn V St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 06, 2009, 05:34:01 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on September 06, 2009, 03:22:59 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on September 06, 2009, 02:45:10 PM
Senior Football

Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo
Intermediate Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls

I agree with all meatsys predictions umpire, can u take this as my official submission as well please.
Marsbarkid; No problem
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 06, 2009, 05:46:15 PM
Clonduff V loughinisland
Burren V Kilcoo

Intermediate football

Darragh cross V Kilclief
Ballymartin V Ardglass

Junior football

Teconnaught V Dromara
Glenn V St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on September 06, 2009, 06:06:16 PM
Senior football

Clonduff V loughinisland
Burren V Kilcoo

Intermediate football

Darragh cross V Kilclief
Ballymartin V Ardglass

Junior football

Teconnaught V Dromara
Glenn V St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on September 06, 2009, 06:31:32 PM
Senior football

Clonduff V loughinisland
Burren V Kilcoo
Intermediate football

Darragh Cross V Kilclief
Ballymartin V Ardglass

Junior football

Teconnaught V Dromara
Glenn V St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on September 06, 2009, 07:01:34 PM
Senior football

Clonduff V loughinisland
Burren V Kilcoo

Intermediate football

Darragh Cross V Kilclief
Ballymartin V Ardglass

Junior football

Teconnaught V Dromara
Glenn V St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on September 06, 2009, 08:27:31 PM
Senior football

Clonduff V loughinisland
Burren V Kilcoo

Intermediate football

Darragh Cross V Kilclief
Ballymartin V Ardglass

Junior football

Teconnaught V Dromara
Glenn V St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 06, 2009, 09:14:23 PM
Anyone got the final result from the senior women's final tonight ? Bredagh were beating Saval mid-way through the second half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 06, 2009, 09:19:25 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 06, 2009, 09:14:23 PM
Anyone got the final result from the senior women's final tonight ? Bredagh were beating Saval mid-way through the second half.

Final score Bredagh 4-11, Saval 2-04
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on September 06, 2009, 10:16:33 PM
Castlewellan 0-12 Bryansford 2-10
Two terrible mistakes which lead to goals cost the Town. It was a decent game on a sodden pitch. The Town missed 2-3 goal chances and the final whistle came just a few minutes too soon for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 06, 2009, 10:55:59 PM
Senior Football

Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 06, 2009, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 06, 2009, 09:14:23 PM
Anyone got the final result from the senior women's final tonight ? Bredagh were beating Saval mid-way through the second half.

Bredagh hammered saval. Kilcoo won intermediate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 07, 2009, 08:18:59 AM
Senior football

Clonduff V loughinisland
Burren V Kilcoo

Intermediate football

Darragh Cross V Kilclief
Ballymartin V Ardglass

Junior football

Teconnaught V Dromara
Glenn V St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 07, 2009, 08:30:16 AM
Well done Castlewellan who won the Ulster League Div 5 final on Friday.

Cappagh Gaels (Tyrone)    1-8   2-9   Castlewellan (Down)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 07, 2009, 09:42:49 AM
Senior football

Clonduff V loughinisland (Clonduff)
Burren V Kilcoo (Draw)

Intermediate football

Darragh Cross V Kilclief (Kilclief)
Ballymartin V Ardglass (Ballymartin)

Junior football

Teconnaught V Dromara (Teconnaught)
Glenn V St Pauls (Glenn)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 07, 2009, 10:16:10 AM
Senior football

Clonduff V loughinisland ;) Everyone pickin clonduff so ill go for the upset
Burren V Kilcoo

Intermediate football

Darragh cross V Kilclief
Ballymartin V Ardglass

Junior football

Teconnaught V Dromara
Glenn V St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on September 07, 2009, 10:45:02 AM
does anybody know if league fixtures are planned for this weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on September 07, 2009, 10:56:01 AM
Why is the Down Gaa website persistently crashing? i continually struggle to get onto this site!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 07, 2009, 10:57:23 AM
According to this week's fixture list, there are only a couple of ACFL refixtures this week. Full round of the ACPRL on Saturday, then the rest of the weekend is about the Championship.

Senior football

Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 07, 2009, 11:15:21 AM
Is it 6.30 for the acfl on fri again? And 5 on sat?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 07, 2009, 12:56:45 PM
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 07, 2009, 01:23:56 PM
The Hurling Championships are also on this weekend.

In the Senior semi final Portaferry take on Ballygalget in Ballycran. Galget have hit a bit of form recently and despite a couple of injuries I take them to get past Portaferry again. Ports rely too much on Dule for scores and others need to step forward and take some responsibilty if they are to win the McVeigh Cup. Ballygalget to win by 2.

In the IHC Final Liatroim take on Bredagh. Bredagh have come on well over the past couple of years with a good youth structure but Liatroim are the finished article at intermediate level and should win handy enough.

Bredagh's day will come soon though.

Warrenpoint are back in the Junior final again and after losing to Bredagh and Darragh Cross in recent years will be hoping to get past Castlewellan for their first ever win. Unfortunantly for the Point I can't see them doing it! Castlewellan are going well. They have a good mix of youth and experience and should be strong enough to win by 3-4. The Point need to watch their discipline - they won't win a JHC final if they're playing with 14 men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 07, 2009, 01:28:23 PM
Senior football

Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 07, 2009, 01:30:12 PM
Senior Football

Clonduff  v Loughinisland
Burrenv Kilcoo

Intermediate Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass
only because would love to see Kilclief Ardglass final

Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 07, 2009, 01:47:46 PM
Mayobridge and Bryansford look to have qualified for Div One Play Offs - third place is very close.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 07, 2009, 02:05:20 PM
Do you have the league table?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 07, 2009, 02:43:51 PM
Senior Football

Clonduff  v Loughinisland
Burrenv Kilcoo

Intermediate Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass


Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 07, 2009, 02:53:01 PM

Clonduff  v Loughinisland
BurrenvKilcoo


DX v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass


Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 07, 2009, 03:58:59 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 07, 2009, 02:05:20 PM
Do you have the league table?

League table for O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team            P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Mayobridge  19 14 2 3 291 229 62 31
Bryansford   19 14 3 2 306 222 84 30
Burren        19 10 5 4 234 202 32 24
Longstone   19 10 6 3 290 265 25 23
Kilcoo         18 10 6 2 241 234 7 22
Rostrevor    19 10 8 1 229 222 7 21
Castlewellan  19 9 10 0 218 229 -11 18
Liatroim       19 7 10 2 216 220 -4 16
Saval           18 7 9 2 223 264 -41 16
Clonduff       19 6 12 1 252 250 2 13
Loughinisland 19 2 13 4 202 258 -56 8
Warrenpoint 19 1 16 2 206 313 -107 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on September 07, 2009, 04:33:52 PM
Senior football

Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 07, 2009, 04:55:52 PM
Anyone this weeks East Down fixtures? They arent on the Down website yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on September 07, 2009, 07:36:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 07, 2009, 04:55:52 PM
Anyone this weeks East Down fixtures? They arent on the Down website yet.

East Down GAA Fixtures
                    
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 18 League    
Date  Tuesday  8th September Time 6.30pm    
U-18 Football League Section "B"         
     Cill Darach    v    St. John's    E O' hare
                    
Date Wednesday 9th  September  Time 6.30pm    
U-16  13 Side  Supplementary Football League Section A    
     St Mary's    v    Carryduff    G Brannigan
     Bryansford    v    Saul    A Sharvin
                    
Date Wednesday 9th  September  Time 6.30pm    
U-16  13 Side  Supplementary Football League Section B    
     St John's    v    Drumaness    M Brady
                    
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 14 League    
Date Thursday 10th  September  Time 6.30pm    
     
     Liatroim    v    Loughinisland    C McAlinden
                    
Date Thursday 10th  September  Time 6.30pm    
U-14  13 Side Football League Section A    
     Saul    v    Carryduff    M Brady
     Downpatrick    v    Bryandford    A Sharvin
                    
Date Thursday 10th  September  Time 6.30pm    
U-14  13 Side Football League Section B    
     St. Joseph's    v    Drumaness    J Killen
                    
Date Thursday 10th  September  Time 6.30pm    
U-14  9 Side Football League Section C    
     Kilcoo    v    Ardglass    M McAnulty
     Carryduff b    v    Bryansford    E Mulvenna
     Bredagh B    v    Dromara    G Marks
                    
Date Sunday 13th September  Time 12.30pm    
U-12 Football Supplementary  Leagues Section A    
     St. Paul's    v    Bryansford    G Marks
     Carryduff    v    Saul    M Brady
                    
U-12 Football Supplementary  Leagues Section B    
     St Joseph's    v    Bredagh    C McAlinden
     Loughinisland    v    Kilcoo    M McAnulty
     Downpatrick    v    Liatroim    A Sharvin
                    
U-12 Football Supplementary  Leagues Section C    
     Drumaness    v    Castlewellan    J Magennis
     Dromara    v    Carryduff B    j McMullan
                    
                    
                    
Quoile Tile & Bathroom Centre         
Date Sunday  13th September Time 3.00pm    
Reserve Football League              
     St. John's    v    Castlewellan    D laverty
     Liatroim    v    Bryansford    E O' Hare
                    
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 07, 2009, 07:38:31 PM
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on September 07, 2009, 07:40:10 PM
Adding in the Down Ladies fixtures for this week

U14 B Q/F Wednesday 9th Sept @ 6.15pm
Loughinisland v Burren

Saturday 12th Sept
(Home Venue - first listed team)

U14A Semi finals
Carryduff v Annaclone
Bryansford v Castlewellan

U14B Semi final
Kilcoo v Clonduff

Senior @ 6:30pm
Castlewellan v Bredagh
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Saval v Annaclone

Intermediate @ 6:30pm
Kilcoo v Ballymartin

Junior @ 6:30pm
Clonduff v St Michaels
St Johns v Mayobridge


Sunday 13th Sept @ 12:30pm
(Home Venue - first listed team)

U16A Semi Finals
Downpatrick v Carryduff
Bosco v Burren

U16B Semi Finals
Rostrevor/Saval v Shamrocks
Annaclone v Castlewellan

(Wouldn't it be great to get All-County, East Down/South Down and Ladies football fixtures (plus Hurling & Camogie) in an easily filterable consistent list each week? Maybe its just us that has to try to coord across many of these (but I think a lot of clubs have the same challenge))
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 07, 2009, 07:42:05 PM
Just been told that u16 s down league is finished after the top placing was sorted yesterday when kingdom beat saval.

Kinda annoyed cos we still had 3 games to play + the lads are very keen to play games.

What is the point in clubs playing reg fees when board can't be bothered fulfilling fixtures?

I don't agree with the argument that they are pointless when it would involve giving young lads more football.

The alternative for them seems to be rugby + soccer!

Any clubs on here interested in playing u16 friendly in next few days?

PM me please
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 07, 2009, 08:35:50 PM
Division 3 Result

Glenn 0:13 Ardglass 0:08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 07, 2009, 08:41:36 PM
Quote from: general on September 07, 2009, 08:35:50 PM
Division 3 Result

Glenn 0:13 Ardglass 0:08

any bother tonight general?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 07, 2009, 09:10:34 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 07, 2009, 08:41:36 PM
Quote from: general on September 07, 2009, 08:35:50 PM
Division 3 Result

Glenn 0:13 Ardglass 0:08

any bother tonight general?

the boys from ardglass were very quiet to say the least stpauls. never threatened all nite. few small handbags, apart from that quite a quiet game, glenn 8-4 ahead at ht,2nd half against the wind
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 07, 2009, 09:18:09 PM
Senior Football

Clonduff  v Loughinisland
Burrenv Kilcoo

Intermediate Football

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football

Teconnaught   v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 07, 2009, 09:36:04 PM
Division 3 Table

                 Played        Points
Tullylish         19              29
-----------------------------------------
Glenn            18             27
Drumgath       18            24
-----------------------------------------
St Johns        18             23
Bredagh         19             23
Ardglass         18             20
Dundrum        18            20
Saul               19            17
-----------------------------------------
Teconnaught   19           16
St Pauls           18           10
Drumaness       19            9
-----------------------------------------
Aghaderg         18            2


Outstanding Fixtures: Ardglass v Drumgath, St Johns v Dundrum, St Pauls v Glenn


Tullylish and Glenn more or less guaranteed a top 3 finish. The race for third is very interesting. Drumgath, Bredagh and St Johns look the most likely teams to be battling it out for the position while Ardglass and Dundrum would be outside bets.
Aghaderg are gone. Drumaness are in the relegation playoffs and it looks like St Pauls will join them shortly.
One of Teconnaught or Saul look set to fill the last playoff position.

Ive said it a few times this year but the standard in Division 3 has dropped considerably. The team that goes up to Division 2 will be straight back down.
With the new structures in place it looks like Division 3 could be a much more sterner proposition next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on September 07, 2009, 10:08:19 PM
Clonduff v LOUGHINISLAND
Burren v KILCOO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on September 07, 2009, 10:10:06 PM
I ll do the rest later
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on September 07, 2009, 10:13:45 PM
Think 1/2/3 will all be very competitive from nex year.
Div 2 in particular could be very tasty indeed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on September 08, 2009, 08:21:09 AM
Today's Irish News says Frank Dawson wants the Down job. Surely the county board wouldn't.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on September 08, 2009, 09:26:34 AM
I see Donal Murtagh has said he is stepping down from Crossmaglen, wouldn't be a bad appointment in my opinion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on September 08, 2009, 10:42:30 AM
was at the glenn v ardglass match last night, county minors Bagnall and McParland did most of the damage in the first half and with the home team playing an extra defender in front of Magee at full-forward it meant no room for the no.14.Murtagh in mid-field for Glenn used his experience and strength to see them through the second half.Brendan Rice from the 'point handled the game well and both sides got on with playing football with no repeat of earlier goings on thankfully.Just heard that Aghaderg with several better players missing got hammered by Tullylish, and did the score difference for the Lawrencetown team has rocketed   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: waitingforsam on September 08, 2009, 03:58:23 PM
Has anyone any news on Marty Clarke at Collingwood? Is he injured or just out of favour?

Seems he hasnt played since round 11 this season & they have played 22 rounds???

Cheers

WFS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on September 08, 2009, 04:58:32 PM
Quote from: waitingforsam on September 08, 2009, 03:58:23 PM
Has anyone any news on Marty Clarke at Collingwood? Is he injured or just out of favour?

Seems he hasnt played since round 11 this season & they have played 22 rounds???

Cheers

WFS
he has not been on their injury list all season 
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/injury%20list/tabid/14769/default.aspx (http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/injury%20list/tabid/14769/default.aspx)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on September 08, 2009, 07:49:14 PM
Senior Football
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football
Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football
Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on September 08, 2009, 07:58:16 PM
L'island
Kilcoo
Darragh Cross
Ballymartin
Teconnaught
Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on September 08, 2009, 08:01:01 PM
Quote from: RGU08 on September 08, 2009, 09:26:34 AM
I see Donal Murtagh has said he is stepping down from Crossmaglen, wouldn't be a bad appointment in my opinion
I know this man ,and he would never do the down job or second thoughts he mite if the money was right but I would have him as a man that inherited a successful  team and really had no experience with a big job like Down.I also know that there was a incident the morning of the All Ireland Final and was supposed to be handled very badly and we all know what happened later on that day
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on September 08, 2009, 08:10:56 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on September 08, 2009, 07:58:16 PM
L'island
Kilcoo
Darragh Cross
Ballymartin
Teconnaught
Glenn
I'm going for the same prediction as you for the record,Loughinisland
                                                                                         Kilcoo
                                                                                         Darragh Cross
                                                                                         Ballymartin
                                                                                         Teconnaught
                                                                                          Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on September 08, 2009, 09:18:27 PM

Senior Football
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football
Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football
Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 08, 2009, 10:42:37 PM
Senior Football
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football
Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football
Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 08, 2009, 11:31:28 PM
SFC
CLONDUFF v Loughinisland
Burren v KILCOO

IFC
DARRAGH CROSS v Kilclief
BALLYMARTIN v Ardglass

JFC
TECONNAUGHT v Dromara
GLENN v St Paul's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downboy on September 09, 2009, 09:02:06 AM
Quote from: tirnaog on September 08, 2009, 08:01:01 PM
Quote from: RGU08 on September 08, 2009, 09:26:34 AM
I see Donal Murtagh has said he is stepping down from Crossmaglen, wouldn't be a bad appointment in my opinion
I know this man ,and he would never do the down job or second thoughts he mite if the money was right but I would have him as a man that inherited a successful  team and really had no experience with a big job like Down.I also know that there was a incident the morning of the All Ireland Final and was supposed to be handled very badly and we all know what happened later on that day
Have the county board put any timeframe on an appointment. With Kernan set to be unveiled (would need to be a big veil) in Galway tonight it sure didnt take the Galway Committee long to identify and get their man. Is it another case of bad management on the Down County board or do we give them the benefit of the doubt that they are being thorough and making sure they get the right man.
Having said that the "being thorough" doesnt really add up as my Ma could have come up with the current shortlist.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on September 09, 2009, 11:14:28 AM
have any interviews taken place yet or are we waiting for the 'Panel' to make a recommendation or two?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 09, 2009, 11:51:00 AM
can someone post an up to date division 2 league table after last nights shamrocks - downpatrick game?

cant get onto down website
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on September 09, 2009, 01:32:35 PM
Senior Football
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football
Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football
Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 09, 2009, 01:52:35 PM
whats the deal with  rocks making a late season surge for safety? must have some of their better older players back in the fold???

any report from last 2 games - 2 superb results\!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on September 09, 2009, 02:07:03 PM
Senior Football
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football
Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football
Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 09, 2009, 02:56:48 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on September 08, 2009, 07:58:16 PM
L'island
Kilcoo
Darragh Cross
Ballymartin
Teconnaught
Glenn

i will take these selections as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on September 09, 2009, 04:56:57 PM
Senior Football
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football
Darragh Cross v Kilclief 
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football
Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls

Theres mine. couldnt do any worse than the last round..........i hope
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on September 09, 2009, 05:35:30 PM
Senior Football
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football
Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football
Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on September 09, 2009, 05:43:46 PM
Senior Football
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football
Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football
Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 09, 2009, 05:48:58 PM
SFC

Clonduff v Loughinisland
Kilcoo v Burren


IFC

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

JFC

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downboy on September 10, 2009, 08:57:43 AM
Any odds for the weekends games?

No 1 any team news for tomorrow night?? Does the full back play the night before the wedding?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 10, 2009, 09:45:29 AM
He's available for selection, we'll find the starting team out tonight.  Everyone fit and ready to go (well as fit as they've ever been)!

Hopefully the dry weather keeps up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on September 10, 2009, 10:12:12 AM
Senior Football
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football
Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football
Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 10, 2009, 11:12:10 AM

Senior Football
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football
Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football
Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on September 10, 2009, 12:07:33 PM
no confusion there!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 10, 2009, 01:31:35 PM
Saw a fixture for tues 8th on website burren v an rioct acprfc, was this played? When are the rest on? Bit of a random fixture!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 10, 2009, 03:00:43 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 10, 2009, 01:31:35 PM
Saw a fixture for tues 8th on website burren v an rioct acprfc, was this played? When are the rest on? Bit of a random fixture!

I heard it was a draw.. Burren were leading by three with seconds to go when the Kingdom scored a  late goal to equalise.. not sure when the replay is !!!!
Rostrevor v Mayobridge on Sat at 5 in Petitt park.. Clonduff and Ballyholland already in semi's!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 10, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
Does anyone else think it's madness for the league to have a 3 week break at this stage of the season with the pitches and weather as bad as it has been?!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on September 10, 2009, 04:41:16 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 10, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
Does anyone else think it's madness for the league to have a 3 week break at this stage of the season with the pitches and weather as bad as it has been?!!!

Could you tell us what league you're talking about Long Ball ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goalswingames on September 10, 2009, 04:57:58 PM
Senior Football
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football
Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football
Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 10, 2009, 06:06:10 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 09, 2009, 05:48:58 PM
SFC

Clonduff v Loughinisland
Kilcoo v Burren


IFC

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

JFC

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls

I am going with my club mate on the results, can you take that as my predictions please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: idontbelieveit on September 10, 2009, 06:08:57 PM
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football
Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football
Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 10, 2009, 07:47:35 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 10, 2009, 04:41:16 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 10, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
Does anyone else think it's madness for the league to have a 3 week break at this stage of the season with the pitches and weather as bad as it has been?!!!

Could you tell us what league you're talking about Long Ball ???
Mourne Rambler I've heard several Div 1 teams have no game this weekend due to the Championship or next weekend due to the All-Ireland and Kilmacud 7s which means a 3 week break between league games. This Saturday afternoon/ early evening should have been used in my opinion for non- championship fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on September 10, 2009, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 10, 2009, 07:47:35 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 10, 2009, 04:41:16 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 10, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
Does anyone else think it's madness for the league to have a 3 week break at this stage of the season with the pitches and weather as bad as it has been?!!!

Could you tell us what league you're talking about Long Ball ???
Mourne Rambler I've heard several Div 1 teams have no game this weekend due to the Championship or next weekend due to the All-Ireland and Kilmacud 7s which means a 3 week break between league games. This Saturday afternoon/ early evening should have been used in my opinion for non- championship fixtures.

I don't get the point you're trying to make, with Clonduff,Loughinisland,Burren & Kilcoo all in Championship action this weekend I think it's perfectly reasonable not to expect them to play a league game as well, this then means that as many as 4 other clubs will not be playing league games but what do you expect when Championship games are being played?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on September 10, 2009, 10:46:48 PM
Clonduff v Loughinisland
Burren v Kilcoo

Intermediate Football
Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

Junior Football
Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 11, 2009, 08:39:36 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 10, 2009, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 10, 2009, 07:47:35 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 10, 2009, 04:41:16 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 10, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
Does anyone else think it's madness for the league to have a 3 week break at this stage of the season with the pitches and weather as bad as it has been?!!!

Could you tell us what league you're talking about Long Ball ???
Mourne Rambler I've heard several Div 1 teams have no game this weekend due to the Championship or next weekend due to the All-Ireland and Kilmacud 7s which means a 3 week break between league games. This Saturday afternoon/ early evening should have been used in my opinion for non- championship fixtures.

I don't get the point you're trying to make, with Clonduff,Loughinisland,Burren & Kilcoo all in Championship action this weekend I think it's perfectly reasonable not to expect them to play a league game as well, this then means that as many as 4 other clubs will not be playing league games but what do you expect when Championship games are being played?
What I ment was fixtures such as Saval v Mayobridge, Castlewellan v Liatroim,  Bryansford v Warrenpoint and Longstone v Rostrevor could be played this Saturday meaning no team has a break of 3 weeks between competitive games. Playing them on Saturday at say 6pm wouldn't clash with either of the senior championship semi-finals. Plus it lessens the chances of the season over-running due to unplayable pitches.
Now can you see what my point is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 11, 2009, 11:16:43 AM
From Hoganstand

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=117639

Wee James to be ratified tonight?
11 September 2009


Word on the grapevine has it that James McCartan will be named as Down senior football manager later on today (Friday).

A County Board meeting has been scheduled for tonight and the All-Ireland winner is expected to be ratified as new Mourne County boss, with Brian McIver and Paddy Talty as selectors.



Legendary former manager Pete McGrath - who managed Wee James and co. to Sam Maguire glory in 1991 and '94 - is also believed to be in the running.

However, McCartan is now being touted in the media as the man who'll be handed the reins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 11, 2009, 11:47:41 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 11, 2009, 08:39:36 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 10, 2009, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 10, 2009, 07:47:35 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 10, 2009, 04:41:16 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 10, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
Does anyone else think it's madness for the league to have a 3 week break at this stage of the season with the pitches and weather as bad as it has been?!!!

Could you tell us what league you're talking about Long Ball ???
Mourne Rambler I've heard several Div 1 teams have no game this weekend due to the Championship or next weekend due to the All-Ireland and Kilmacud 7s which means a 3 week break between league games. This Saturday afternoon/ early evening should have been used in my opinion for non- championship fixtures.

I don't get the point you're trying to make, with Clonduff,Loughinisland,Burren & Kilcoo all in Championship action this weekend I think it's perfectly reasonable not to expect them to play a league game as well, this then means that as many as 4 other clubs will not be playing league games but what do you expect when Championship games are being played?
What I ment was fixtures such as Saval v Mayobridge, Castlewellan v Liatroim,  Bryansford v Warrenpoint and Longstone v Rostrevor could be played this Saturday meaning no team has a break of 3 weeks between competitive games. Playing them on Saturday at say 6pm wouldn't clash with either of the senior championship semi-finals. Plus it lessens the chances of the season over-running due to unplayable pitches.
Now can you see what my point is?

The unpredictably of fixtures at this time of year is annoying for all clubs.The fixtures secretary,sensibly,looks on league fixtures being played in rounds,for ease of organisation and fairness to all teams.If the league matches involving non championship teams were played this weekend,the rest of the that round of fixtures(involving championship teams)would have to be played anyway,so your proposal doesn't actually speed up the fixture list,it merely rewards teams knocked out of the championship.That is why,quite rightly, there are no league fixtures on championship weekends.
I do think that losing a whole round of fixtures due AI weekend/kilmacud is a waste of a weekend for most clubs.This would take some foresight,but those clubs going to Kilmacud should make the CB aware prior to fixture list being drawn up,and be matched up for eg a thursday floodlit match,or a 6:30 start on THursday /Friday with near neighbours.If a club is going to Kilmacud-and fair play to them,the onus should be on the club to make sure that their scheduled league fixture for that weekend goes ahead-floodlit,early start or pre-arranged for eg.a Monday night in the summer.NB.Previously there was no football fixtures on AI hurling weekend either,but thankfully this tradition has now been stopped,with no problems.

Fixture organisation at this time of year requires some creative thinking,and goodwill from all clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on September 11, 2009, 12:55:55 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 11, 2009, 08:39:36 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 10, 2009, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 10, 2009, 07:47:35 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 10, 2009, 04:41:16 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 10, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
Does anyone else think it's madness for the league to have a 3 week break at this stage of the season with the pitches and weather as bad as it has been?!!!

Could you tell us what league you're talking about Long Ball ???
Mourne Rambler I've heard several Div 1 teams have no game this weekend due to the Championship or next weekend due to the All-Ireland and Kilmacud 7s which means a 3 week break between league games. This Saturday afternoon/ early evening should have been used in my opinion for non- championship fixtures.

I don't get the point you're trying to make, with Clonduff,Loughinisland,Burren & Kilcoo all in Championship action this weekend I think it's perfectly reasonable not to expect them to play a league game as well, this then means that as many as 4 other clubs will not be playing league games but what do you expect when Championship games are being played?
What I ment was fixtures such as Saval v Mayobridge, Castlewellan v Liatroim,  Bryansford v Warrenpoint and Longstone v Rostrevor could be played this Saturday meaning no team has a break of 3 weeks between competitive games. Playing them on Saturday at say 6pm wouldn't clash with either of the senior championship semi-finals. Plus it lessens the chances of the season over-running due to unplayable pitches.
Now can you see what my point is?

Saturday games don't work either & while I have no great love for soccer I think it is stupid to play gaelic games on a Saturday which is a day when soccer games are played, if soccer changed their games to Friday nights I think a lot of us would be up in arms over it, so why do CCC & people like yourself insist on going toe to toe with soccer?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 11, 2009, 01:07:59 PM
Tonight

11/8 Darragh Cross 6/1 Kilclief 4/6

4/7 Clonduff 6/1 Loughinisland 6/4
4/5 -1.5 points and +1.5 points 1/1


Sunday
2/7 Ballymartin 8/1 Ardglass 5/2
5/6 -4.5points and +4.5 points 5/6

4/5 Burren 6/1 Kilcoo 11/10

Senior
Burren 6/4
Kilcoo 7/4
Clonduff 9/4
L'island 8/1

Intermediate
Ballymartin 1/1
Kilclief 6/4
Darragh Cross 3/1
Ardglass 14/1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 11, 2009, 01:18:56 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 11, 2009, 12:55:55 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 11, 2009, 08:39:36 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 10, 2009, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 10, 2009, 07:47:35 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 10, 2009, 04:41:16 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 10, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
Does anyone else think it's madness for the league to have a 3 week break at this stage of the season with the pitches and weather as bad as it has been?!!!

Could you tell us what league you're talking about Long Ball ???
Mourne Rambler I've heard several Div 1 teams have no game this weekend due to the Championship or next weekend due to the All-Ireland and Kilmacud 7s which means a 3 week break between league games. This Saturday afternoon/ early evening should have been used in my opinion for non- championship fixtures.

I don't get the point you're trying to make, with Clonduff,Loughinisland,Burren & Kilcoo all in Championship action this weekend I think it's perfectly reasonable not to expect them to play a league game as well, this then means that as many as 4 other clubs will not be playing league games but what do you expect when Championship games are being played?
What I ment was fixtures such as Saval v Mayobridge, Castlewellan v Liatroim,  Bryansford v Warrenpoint and Longstone v Rostrevor could be played this Saturday meaning no team has a break of 3 weeks between competitive games. Playing them on Saturday at say 6pm wouldn't clash with either of the senior championship semi-finals. Plus it lessens the chances of the season over-running due to unplayable pitches.
Now can you see what my point is?

Saturday games don't work either & while I have no great love for soccer I think it is stupid to play gaelic games on a Saturday which is a day when soccer games are played, if soccer changed their games to Friday nights I think a lot of us would be up in arms over it, so why do CCC & people like yourself insist on going toe to toe with soccer?
It's not about going toe-to-toe with soccer, that would be a non-contest as the players in every club in my area always put Gaelic Football first.
Sunday afternoon for those league games then would still suit most.
By the way 6th sam playing the fixtures I suggested could well speed the league up as pitches such as longstones and Castlewellan's can get very wet so playing games when the weather allows stops any threat of postponement later on in the Autumn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 11, 2009, 01:29:03 PM
QuoteTonight

11/8 Darragh Cross 6/4 Kilclief 4/6

:o

Where did ya get those odds?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downboy on September 11, 2009, 01:46:23 PM
Id say there are a few Darragh Cross boys having a few bob on at those prices.

Kilcoo odds a little strange too. Burren were shocking in last round
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 11, 2009, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 11, 2009, 01:29:03 PM
QuoteTonight

11/8 Darragh Cross 6/1 Kilclief 4/6

:o

Where did ya get those odds?

Hughes Bookies Newry
Sure didnt kilcief beat attical the last round?

They are few places above darragh cross in league too.

Think Kilcoo are great bet at 11/10 but i suppose tradition dictates the odds slightly too, will be a good tight match I think Kilcoo will win with 3 to spare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 11, 2009, 02:03:02 PM
Saturday Fixtures are unfair on the teams involved. Its ok if your a Country Club by any Club from a Town is going to have serious conflict with the Soccer.
Asking boys to choose is rediculous & shows the pig headedness of our association & County Board.
Saturday is a day Soccer is traditionally played lets leave it at that. Boys that have trained hard all year are put in a no win situation & teams who might be in need of points for either Promotion or Relegation games are weakened unfairly.
My own club would have a right few who would play both codes & fair play to them.
The organisation of League fixtures in this County is shambolic & needs seriously reviewed. Nobody knows when fixtures are coming or going & too often you hear about them being changed to Saturdays etc with not enough time to sort a team.
An idea could be to allow teams out of the championship to arrange outstanding fixtures for midweek, Friday night or Sunday afternoon etc if both teams agree.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 11, 2009, 02:18:07 PM
Quote from: D4S on September 11, 2009, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 11, 2009, 01:29:03 PM
QuoteTonight

11/8 Darragh Cross 6/1 Kilclief 4/6

:o

Where did ya get those odds?

Hughes Bookies Newry
Sure didnt kilcief beat attical the last round?

They are few places above darragh cross in league too.

Think Kilcoo are great bet at 11/10 but i suppose tradition dictates the odds slightly too, will be a good tight match I think Kilcoo will win with 3 to spare.

All 4 games could go either way.  Even Ardglass at 5/2 is not that bad a bet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 11, 2009, 02:51:14 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 11, 2009, 02:03:02 PM
Saturday Fixtures are unfair on the teams involved. Its ok if your a Country Club by any Club from a Town is going to have serious conflict with the Soccer.
Asking boys to choose is rediculous & shows the pig headedness of our association & County Board.
Saturday is a day Soccer is traditionally played lets leave it at that. Boys that have trained hard all year are put in a no win situation & teams who might be in need of points for either Promotion or Relegation games are weakened unfairly.
My own club would have a right few who would play both codes & fair play to them.
The organisation of League fixtures in this County is shambolic & needs seriously reviewed. Nobody knows when fixtures are coming or going & too often you hear about them being changed to Saturdays etc with not enough time to sort a team.An idea could be to allow teams out of the championship to arrange outstanding fixtures for midweek, Friday night or Sunday afternoon etc if both teams agree.

The fixtures secretary gives each club a fixture list at start of the year,and with a few notable exceptions,sticks to it.It has been well established that late august/sept/october games may have to be played on a Saturday because there isnt enough light for Friday evening fixtures,and there are likely to be other intercounty or club championship fixtures on Sundays e.g AI Hurling final on TV,Football final on TV,AI minor semis,SFC/IFC/JFC finals.
I am not anti-soccer, but given the mass of fixture clashes within GAA codes,you surely don't  expect GAA fixtures secretaries to  put our fixtures on hold  because of external sporting committments.Why should GAA clubs with minimal soccer involvement be expected to delay fixtures for  other teams with a high percentage of soccer players.
In our locality some youth soccer fixtures were changed to Sundays,which had a negative impact on our club,but there's absolutely nothing we can do about it.I wonder if rugby authorities consider soccer when fixing saturday fixtures?

Regarding a review of fixtures,this has been looked at many times but clubs,and county board appear reluctant to change.
I think our system isn't perfect,but given all the factors involved,Saturday fixtures in Autumn are inevitable.Clubs and players should accept this fact,and plan accordingly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on September 11, 2009, 09:10:58 PM
Loughinisland 1-4
Clonduff 0-3

Half-time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on September 11, 2009, 09:18:56 PM
sorry this is so late hopefully this is still counted
SFC
CLONDUFF v Loughinisland
Burren v KILCOO
IFC
DARRAGH CROSS v Kilclief
BALLYMARTIN v Ardglass
JFC
TECONNAUGHT v Dromara
GLENN v St Paul's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on September 11, 2009, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: dundroma on September 11, 2009, 09:18:56 PM
sorry this is so late hopefully this is still counted
SFC
CLONDUFF v Loughinisland
Burren v KILCOO
IFC
DARRAGH CROSS v Kilclief
BALLYMARTIN v Ardglass
JFC
TECONNAUGHT v Dromara
GLENN v St Paul's

Eyebrows will be raised! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 11, 2009, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Person on September 11, 2009, 09:10:58 PM
Loughinisland 1-4
Clonduff 0-3

Half-time

Howd the first match finish?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on September 11, 2009, 09:31:04 PM
Louighinisland 3-5
Clonduff 0-4

Ben O'Reilly got one of the goals.

Darragh Cross won by 5 Maiden1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 11, 2009, 09:39:47 PM
is clonduff match over?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on September 11, 2009, 09:59:03 PM
Loughinisland 3-6
Clonduff 1-7

Final Score
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 11, 2009, 10:08:59 PM
Holy Shit!! Never seen that coming. Loughisland abviously coming good. Big team too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on September 11, 2009, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on September 11, 2009, 10:08:59 PM
Holy Shit!! Never seen that coming. Loughisland abviously coming good. Big team too.

Apparentley Clonduff were diabolical. They will be kicking themselves, big chance to get to a final. Still think the final is this Sunday though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 11, 2009, 10:14:32 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on September 11, 2009, 10:08:59 PM
Holy Shit!! Never seen that coming. Loughisland abviously coming good. Big team too.

neither did Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on September 11, 2009, 10:21:41 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on September 11, 2009, 10:08:59 PM
Holy Shit!! Never seen that coming. Loughisland obviously coming good. Big team too.
Loughinisland are a team that have not been together right up until the championship for the last few years due to injury and player,s on county duty,but this year they have all their players and they will be hard to beat,they will push whoever they get in the  final all the way
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 11, 2009, 10:31:42 PM
Quote from: Dangerous Person on September 11, 2009, 09:31:04 PM
Louighinisland 3-5
Clonduff 0-4

Ben O'Reilly got one of the goals.

Darragh Cross won by 5 Maiden1.

Jesus Clonduff where terrible. The Loughinisland goal scorers where Mark Valentine, Ryan Stranny and Seamus OHare. Game reminded me off simi final last year where Burren didnt turn up against island and conceeded slack goals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on September 11, 2009, 10:35:03 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on September 11, 2009, 10:08:59 PM
Holy Shit!! Never seen that coming. Loughisland abviously coming good. Big team too.
Dont think Kilclief saw Darragh coming either ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 11, 2009, 10:41:57 PM
Only 1 out of 2 then for my predictions but id say theres a hell of a lot with 0 out of 2! Thought loughinisland were always goin to be able to give clonduff a game but im a bit surprised by darragh cross after kilclief putting out attical.  Congrats to loughinisland having got to the final 2 years in a row, great acheivement and fair play if they go on to do it, but hope it's kilcoo.  If they do it they will have beaten bryansford, mayobridge and  burren before reacin final and will be rightful winners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 11, 2009, 10:48:30 PM
Quote from: D4S on September 11, 2009, 10:41:57 PM
Only 1 out of 2 then for my predictions but id say theres a hell of a lot with 0 out of 2! Thought loughinisland were always goin to be able to give clonduff a game but im a bit surprised by darragh cross after kilclief putting out attical.  Congrats to loughinisland having got to the final 2 years in a row, great acheivement and fair play if they go on to do it, but hope it's kilcoo.  If they do it they will have beaten bryansford, mayobridge and  burren before reacin final and will be rightful winners!

Hope it works out that way D4S. Burren will be hard to beat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 11, 2009, 10:52:35 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 11, 2009, 10:48:30 PM
Quote from: D4S on September 11, 2009, 10:41:57 PM
Only 1 out of 2 then for my predictions but id say theres a hell of a lot with 0 out of 2! Thought loughinisland were always goin to be able to give clonduff a game but im a bit surprised by darragh cross after kilclief putting out attical.  Congrats to loughinisland having got to the final 2 years in a row, great acheivement and fair play if they go on to do it, but hope it's kilcoo.  If they do it they will have beaten bryansford, mayobridge and  burren before reacin final and will be rightful winners!

Hope it works out that way D4S. Burren will be hard to beat.

Good Luck to all in Kilcoo:)!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 11, 2009, 10:59:05 PM
Quote from: D4S on September 11, 2009, 10:52:35 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 11, 2009, 10:48:30 PM
Quote from: D4S on September 11, 2009, 10:41:57 PM
Only 1 out of 2 then for my predictions but id say theres a hell of a lot with 0 out of 2! Thought loughinisland were always goin to be able to give clonduff a game but im a bit surprised by darragh cross after kilclief putting out attical.  Congrats to loughinisland having got to the final 2 years in a row, great acheivement and fair play if they go on to do it, but hope it's kilcoo.  If they do it they will have beaten bryansford, mayobridge and  burren before reacin final and will be rightful winners!

Hope it works out that way D4S. Burren will be hard to beat.

Good Luck to all in Kilcoo:)!

Thank you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 11, 2009, 11:11:16 PM
Does anyone know what went on at the far end off the stand when everybody rose to their feet Midway through the second half? To be fair it was the only bit of excitement within the game, in which Loughanisland never looked like they were going to lose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on September 11, 2009, 11:27:02 PM
Yea just aload of kids messing about, poor game  hope sunday is better:-)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 11, 2009, 11:31:13 PM
Quote from: dundroma on September 11, 2009, 09:18:56 PM
sorry this is so late hopefully this is still counted
SFC
CLONDUFF v Loughinisland
Burren v KILCOO
IFC
DARRAGH CROSS v Kilclief
BALLYMARTIN v Ardglass
JFC
TECONNAUGHT v Dromara
GLENN v St Paul's

Dundroma
Your selection posted on this tread at 9.18pm tonight,
Cant accept your selection of 2 games this evening, but will accept the other 4 games play this sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 11, 2009, 11:36:22 PM
Great programme we had this evening in Newry.

Credit must go to Paul Rooney and Aidan Mallon of Mayobridge and also Louis McNally of Rostrevor.
Well done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedDragon on September 11, 2009, 11:52:38 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 11, 2009, 11:36:22 PM
Great programme we had this evening in Newry.

Credit must go to Paul Rooney and Aidan Mallon of Mayobridge and also Louis McNally of Rostrevor.
Well done.
Are they the same boys that do the programmes for the All Ireland Final, Time magazine and if i'm not mistaken, the Book Of Kells?,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 12, 2009, 12:22:14 AM
Update on Prediction league.
The leader Bacon still hold lead with 26.
DownFanatic and Souljaboy are both on 25

Only 8 picked the 2 winners tonight, they are;
Western Exile, Trevor Hill, The Worker, eyeswideopen, T O'Hare, lfdown2, idontbelieveit and tirnaog
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 12, 2009, 04:06:16 AM
Quote from: umpire on September 11, 2009, 11:36:22 PM
Great programme we had this evening in Newry.

Credit must go to Paul Rooney and Aidan Mallon of Mayobridge and also Louis McNally of Rostrevor.
Well done.

Having seen the identity of the new Darragh Cross management trio in the programme their impressive win over Kilclief did not surprise me. Offaly's loss .....

If wee James & co were watching the tame senior semi they might have reconsidered their position. Not a county standard player on view except the lad who's leaving for Australia!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 12, 2009, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: umpire on September 11, 2009, 11:31:13 PM
Quote from: dundroma on September 11, 2009, 09:18:56 PM
sorry this is so late hopefully this is still counted
SFC
CLONDUFF v Loughinisland
Burren v KILCOO
IFC
DARRAGH CROSS v Kilclief
BALLYMARTIN v Ardglass
JFC
TECONNAUGHT v Dromara
GLENN v St Paul's

Dundroma
Your selection posted on this tread at 9.18pm tonight,
Cant accept your selection of 2 games this evening, but will accept the other 4 games play this sunday.

What sort of lad would try to cheat in a wee competition like that?  ???

Typical Dundrum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: twotwocharlie on September 12, 2009, 09:44:06 AM
Good morning lads (and ladies) just on this thread looking for a ticket or two for the All Ireland.

I have followed the minors all year and now the big one has arrived i am badly stuck for tickets.

Usual story county board hogging all the tickets .

some clubs got as little as ten tickets

if anyone can help on this one would you can contact me via a PM

many thanks.
Title: IFC
Post by: No1 on September 12, 2009, 10:47:25 AM
Congratulations to Darragh Cross, fully deserved their victory.

Once again, we choke.

Gutted. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on September 12, 2009, 11:18:23 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 11, 2009, 11:11:16 PM
Does anyone know what went on at the far end off the stand when everybody rose to their feet Midway through the second half? To be fair it was the only bit of excitement within the game, in which Loughanisland never looked like they were going to lose.

Don't be so f**king nosey dundrumite ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: too long ref on September 12, 2009, 11:38:27 AM
are people not going to accept loughinisland are a great team and that they outplayed clonduff last night and it was no big shock.  They were not allowed to play, we controlled every bit of the match.  two years in a row.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 12, 2009, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: too long ref on September 12, 2009, 11:38:27 AM
are people not going to accept loughinisland are a great team and that they outplayed clonduff last night and it was no big shock.  They were not allowed to play, we controlled every bit of the match.  two years in a row.

can you go one better than last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 12, 2009, 11:41:12 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 12, 2009, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: umpire on September 11, 2009, 11:31:13 PM
Quote from: dundroma on September 11, 2009, 09:18:56 PM
sorry this is so late hopefully this is still counted
SFC
CLONDUFF v Loughinisland
Burren v KILCOO
IFC
DARRAGH CROSS v Kilclief
BALLYMARTIN v Ardglass
JFC
TECONNAUGHT v Dromara
GLENN v St Paul's

Dundroma
Your selection posted on this tread at 9.18pm tonight,
Cant accept your selection of 2 games this evening, but will accept the other 4 games play this sunday.

What sort of lad would try to cheat in a wee competition like that?  ???

Typical Dundrum.

Elaborate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 12, 2009, 11:48:41 AM
Ok. You can take the hook out of your mouth now.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 12, 2009, 12:05:21 PM
Actually thought there was substance or a history to that. How embarrassing for me falling for that  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on September 12, 2009, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: too long ref on September 12, 2009, 11:38:27 AM
are people not going to accept loughinisland are a great team and that they outplayed clonduff last night and it was no big shock.  They were not allowed to play, we controlled every bit of the match.  two years in a row.

League position does not really back that assertion up. Beat better teams last year. So far we have beat two teams below us in the league and a team one place above us in the league. We are undoubtedly going to be underdogs in the final no matter who makes it. That said, it's good to be back in the final to have another crack at it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 12, 2009, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on September 12, 2009, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: too long ref on September 12, 2009, 11:38:27 AM
are people not going to accept loughinisland are a great team and that they outplayed clonduff last night and it was no big shock.  They were not allowed to play, we controlled every bit of the match.  two years in a row.

League position does not really back that assertion up. Beat better teams last year. So far we have beat two teams below us in the league and a team one place above us in the league. We are undoubtedly going to be underdogs in the final no matter who makes it. That said, it's good to be back in the final to have another crack at it.

Yeah yous have beat average teams but all you can do is beat what is put in front off you and thats what the island have done so fair play to yous on getting to back to back finals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 12, 2009, 07:25:53 PM
St. Johns 2-04 Dundrum 1-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 12, 2009, 07:43:14 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 12, 2009, 07:25:53 PM
St. Johns 2-04 Dundrum 1-10

Days!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 12, 2009, 09:03:26 PM
ACPRFC
Rostrevor 0-12 Mayobridge 0-16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 12, 2009, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 12, 2009, 09:03:26 PM
ACPRFC
Rostrevor 0-12 Mayobridge 0-16

Id say Linden accounted for a few scores out of the 0-16. Very strong bridge seconds team and they lost few players to the seniors the year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on September 12, 2009, 10:14:36 PM
Great result for L'Island last night even though Clonduff were very poor. Hopefully the injury to Molloy wasn't too seroius as if theres one man in Down football who deserves to win a championship medal it's Alan Molloy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 12, 2009, 10:35:39 PM
Warrenpoint won the JHC for the first time ever this afternoon.

Result: Warrenpoint 0-14 0-09 Castlewellan.

As expected Liatroim beat Bredagh well in the IHC final. Liatroim 1-14 0-07 Bredagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 13, 2009, 05:55:01 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 12, 2009, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 12, 2009, 09:03:26 PM
ACPRFC
Rostrevor 0-12 Mayobridge 0-16

Id say Linden accounted for a few scores out of the 0-16. Very strong bridge seconds team and they lost few players to the seniors the year.

linden scored a grand total of 0-0!! Our corner back was too quick for him! Their no.7, 9 and especially 11 displayed some wonderful fielding at times! As well as winning most of the break ball.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 13, 2009, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 13, 2009, 05:55:01 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 12, 2009, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 12, 2009, 09:03:26 PM
ACPRFC
Rostrevor 0-12 Mayobridge 0-16

Id say Linden accounted for a few scores out of the 0-16. Very strong bridge seconds team and they lost few players to the seniors the year.

linden scored a grand total of 0-0!! Our corner back was too quick for him! Their no.7, 9 and especially 11 displayed some wonderful fielding at times! As well as winning most of the break ball.

According to Mayobridge website, young Linden scored 3 points!!!!!!
Also T O'Hare was one of their best player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 13, 2009, 01:53:21 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 13, 2009, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 13, 2009, 05:55:01 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 12, 2009, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 12, 2009, 09:03:26 PM
ACPRFC
Rostrevor 0-12 Mayobridge 0-16

Id say Linden accounted for a few scores out of the 0-16. Very strong bridge seconds team and they lost few players to the seniors the year.

linden scored a grand total of 0-0!! Our corner back was too quick for him! Their no.7, 9 and especially 11 displayed some wonderful fielding at times! As well as winning most of the break ball.

According to Mayobridge website, young Linden scored 3 points!!!!!!
Also T O'Hare was one of their best player.

100% correct! Linden indeed scored 3 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 13, 2009, 01:57:45 PM
Division 3 Table

                 Played        Points
Tullylish         19              29
-----------------------------------------
Glenn            18             27
Drumgath       19            26
-----------------------------------------
St Johns        19             23
Bredagh         19             23
Dundrum        19            22
Ardglass         18             20
Saul               19            17
-----------------------------------------
Teconnaught   19           16
St Pauls           18           10
Drumaness       19            9
-----------------------------------------
Aghaderg         19            2


Outstanding Fixtures: Ardglass v Drumgath, St Pauls v Glenn

* Aghaderg didnt field against Drumgath on Friday night so Drumgath got the two points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on September 13, 2009, 03:30:34 PM
dont think youre right there downfanatic plus the league table on the down website does not credit the drumgath club with the points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on September 13, 2009, 05:26:52 PM
junior championship final will be glenn v teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 13, 2009, 07:50:59 PM
Sorry I stand corrected, I had meant 0 from play! Apologies!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 13, 2009, 07:57:22 PM
Any word on match yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 13, 2009, 08:08:26 PM
SHC Semi Final: Ballygalget 4-11 1-15 Portaferry. Poor enough game but a lovely day for hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: milltown row on September 13, 2009, 08:13:09 PM
Ballygalget were fancied for this. will the beat the Crans?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 13, 2009, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on September 13, 2009, 07:57:22 PM
Any word on match yet?

Kilcoo win.

1 point or 2, not sure which yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 13, 2009, 08:30:41 PM
Heard kilcoo won but it was tight, not sure how much by!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 13, 2009, 08:32:02 PM
Kilcoo 0-12 Burren 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 13, 2009, 08:38:23 PM
Thats inpressive fron Kilcoo, in the Senior final, the minor final and the east Down u16 as well.. if my memory is correct are they U21 champs as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 13, 2009, 08:39:38 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 13, 2009, 08:38:23 PM
Thats inpressive fron Kilcoo, in the Senior final, the minor final and the east Down u16 as well.. if my memory is correct are they U21 champs as well?

No think Liatrom are!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 13, 2009, 09:03:47 PM
Quote from: milltown row on September 13, 2009, 08:13:09 PM
Ballygalget were fancied for this. will the beat the Crans?

On form they should but in a SHC final: who knows?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 13, 2009, 09:06:55 PM
I'm surprised to see the two Lecale teams go out in the semis of the IFC



a hotbed of down footballing greatness, as someone said the other day on here ;)

any highlights of the Darragh Cross match going to go on the down website??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on September 13, 2009, 09:14:50 PM
just back from the matches in Parc Esler,congrats to Ballmartin and Kilcoo,hard luck to Ardglass and Burren.Kilcoo were a little lucky not to concede a second penalty in the first half.The match was surely great entertainment for the many neutrals in the big crowd.Any views on th elittle flare-up near the side-line in the second half?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 13, 2009, 09:23:37 PM
Quote from: 13aside on September 13, 2009, 09:14:50 PM
just back from the matches in Parc Esler,congrats to Ballmartin and Kilcoo,hard luck to Ardglass and Burren.Kilcoo were a little lucky not to concede a second penalty in the first half.The match was surely great entertainment for the many neutrals in the big crowd.Any views on th elittle flare-up near the side-line in the second half?

Thanks for this.  Two things:

1. What was the score in the Int semi and
3. Give us your opnion on the little flare-up near the side-line in the second half?  Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on September 13, 2009, 09:25:12 PM
Just home from the game. Kilcoo were probably worth their 2 point win. Paul Devlin and Conor Laverty were the difference between the sides, Burren really only had James McGovern up front. Declan Rooney had a good game at midfield.

Burren missed a penalty early in the first half, and had another goal chance later in the half. Kilcoo also missed two goal chances of their own in the first half. Second half was more even, with Kilcoo managing to stay a few points in front throughout.

Burren 0-10
Kilcoo 0-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 13, 2009, 09:39:49 PM
Can anyone confirmed the result of Teconnaught v Dromara's game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 13, 2009, 09:47:34 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 13, 2009, 09:39:49 PM
Can anyone confirmed the result of Teconnaught v Dromara's game?

Yes Teconnaught won fairly easily.  They had a man sent off in the first half but it did not make much difference.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on September 13, 2009, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 13, 2009, 09:39:49 PM
Can anyone confirmed the result of Teconnaught v Dromara's game?

Dromara 0-3 Teconnaugh 1-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 13, 2009, 09:57:41 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 13, 2009, 09:23:37 PM
Quote from: 13aside on September 13, 2009, 09:14:50 PM
just back from the matches in Parc Esler,congrats to Ballmartin and Kilcoo,hard luck to Ardglass and Burren.Kilcoo were a little lucky not to concede a second penalty in the first half.The match was surely great entertainment for the many neutrals in the big crowd.Any views on th elittle flare-up near the side-line in the second half?

Thanks for this.  Two things:

1. What was the score in the Int semi and
3. Give us your opnion on the little flare-up near the side-line in the second half?  Thanks

Ballymartin won easily enough, something like 1-14 to 2-05.  Ardglass scored a goal with the last kick.  Ballymartin scored a goal from a free from outside the 45 mid way through the 2nd half which more or less finished the game.

Handbags stuff really at the end of the senior game, don't think anyone got hit other that with the shoulder.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 13, 2009, 10:04:46 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on September 13, 2009, 09:47:34 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 13, 2009, 09:39:49 PM
Can anyone confirmed the result of Teconnaught v Dromara's game?

Yes Teconnaught won fairly easily.  They had a man sent off in the first half but it did not make much difference.
Thanks Maiden1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 13, 2009, 10:06:30 PM
Prediction League;

T O'Hare, tirnaog and Trevor Hill are only ones to predict all semi-finals correct.

1   6   T O Hare
2   6   tirnaog
3   6   Trevor Hill
4   5   An Cloch Scoilte
5   5   Bitta-Banter
6   5   Bredaghgael86
7   5   D45
8   5   eyeswideopen
9   5   Green + Gold
10   5   lfdown2
11   5   Mid Down Gael
12   5   Mourne Rover
13   5   Niall Quinn
14   5   Square Ball
15   5   Statto-Gael
16   5   The Worker
17   5   thewobbler
18   5   True Blue
19   5   western exile
20   4   amallon
21   4   Bacon
22   4   behind the wire
23   4   DownFanatic
24   4   dunrumite
25   4   Fender
26   4   general
27   4   Idontbelieveit
28   4   Islandboy
29   4   marsbarkid
30   4   meatsy86
31   4   mourenrambler
32   4   off the laces
33   4   souljaboy
34   4   Supersub
35   4   TheClutch
36   4   too long ref
37   4   umpire
38   3   Brick Tamlin
39   3   BRIDGE LAD
40   3   cloneman
41   3   dodgy umpire
42   3   Down6061689194
43   3   Dubh driocht
44   3   dundroma
45   3   goalswingames
46   3   Johnnie99
47   3   minus15
48   3   passedit
49   2   No1


Overall leaderboard;


1   30   Bacon
2   28   DownFanatic
3   28   Mid Down Gael
4   28   souljaboy
5   27   eyeswideopen
6   27   Green + Gold
7   27   Johnnie99
8   27   thewobbler
9   27   True Blue
10   27   western exile
11   26   behind the wire
12   26   goalswingames
13   26   Niall Quinn
14   26   off the laces
15   26   Square Ball
16   25   Bitta-Banter
17   25   BRIDGE LAD
18   25   D45
19   25   Dubh driocht
20   25   Islandboy
21   25   marsbarkid
22   25   meatsy86
23   25   mourenrambler
24   25   Mourne Rover
25   25   T O Hare
26   25   The Worker
27   25   TheClutch
28   24   Bredaghgael86
29   24   Down6061689194
30   24   dunrumite
31   24   general
32   24   No1
33   24   Trevor Hill
34   23   An Cloch Scoilte
35   23   Fender
36   23   lfdown2
37   23   minus15
38   23   Statto-Gael
39   22   cloneman
40   22   Supersub
41   22   umpire
42   21   dundroma
43   20   amallon
44   20   dodgy umpire
45   20   Fitroyalty
46   20   passedit
47   19   Brick Tamlin
48   17   too long ref
49   16   bridgegael
50   15   Leo
51   14   Blue Island
52   14   fred the ref
53   14   Irelands32
54   14   southdown
55   13   waitingforsam
56   13   wobbller
57   12   centre 3/4s
58   12   goldenyears
59   12   miss mess
60   11   Idontbelieveit
61   8   Iroberts680
62   6   stiff breeze
63   6   tirnaog



Next up for prediction league, 6 games.
Final of SFC, IFC, JFC, PRFC. RFC and MFC.
This is same format we had last year.

Please wait till Wednesday 23rd September for your next selection.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on September 13, 2009, 10:22:16 PM
An all east down senior championship final, hopefully this will stop the whole south down arrogance that has surrounded the county for so long!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on September 13, 2009, 10:27:22 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 13, 2009, 01:57:45 PM
Division 3 Table

                 Played        Points
Tullylish         19              29
-----------------------------------------
Glenn            18             27
Drumgath       19            26
-----------------------------------------
St Johns        19             23
Bredagh         19             23
Dundrum        19            22
Ardglass         18             20
Saul               19            17
-----------------------------------------
Teconnaught   19           16
St Pauls           18           10
Drumaness       19            9
-----------------------------------------
Aghaderg         19            2


Outstanding Fixtures: Ardglass v Drumgath, St Pauls v Glenn

* Aghaderg didnt field against Drumgath on Friday night so Drumgath got the two points.
Drumgath did not get the points for this game as it was not supposed to be played for a couple of weeks but Aghaderg agreed to play it but then had to put it off again because of some internal problem with their football team.So the table should look as it was before the two points were put on to Drumgath total
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on September 13, 2009, 11:06:52 PM
ACPRL

Carryduff 1-10 Bredagh 3-05  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 14, 2009, 08:03:30 AM
Another great win for the magpies last night. Wonderful team performance where our workrate was a joy to behold. Stevie Kane, Nial Morgan, Conor laverty and the McEvoys where outstanding while Anthony Devlins experience led us over the line. Paul Devlin and Barry Kane showed great courage and leadership for ones so young also. An all east Down final now, which promises to be a great day for our club being involved in minor and senior finals. With the ladies intermediate champions, seconds about to be crowned league winners, the thirds in simi final and under 16s in east down final its not a bad year to date.  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 14, 2009, 08:05:03 AM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on September 13, 2009, 08:39:38 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 13, 2009, 08:38:23 PM
Thats inpressive fron Kilcoo, in the Senior final, the minor final and the east Down u16 as well.. if my memory is correct are they U21 champs as well?

No think Liatrom are!

Think you meant to say ST Marys. An amalgumation off Liatroim and Dromara.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 14, 2009, 10:14:05 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 13, 2009, 08:08:26 PM
SHC Semi Final: Ballygalget 4-11 1-15 Portaferry. Poor enough game but a lovely day for hurling.

Twas poor enough fare on what was a good day for hurling but we'll not care too much about that.

Very stop start game and TBH I know Deccy might be shipping a  bit of flack for his refereeing, everything he blew were fouls barring maybe two softish ones, so if lads are going to foul he has to blow, not his fault. We were very nervous at the start, and only Eoin's free's kept us in the game where we'd hurled feck all until magic caught a ball in open play and made the dash straight down the middle to find Dingy who put it away well. up until that Portaferry were the only ones doing anything. We needed to kick on after the break, but we didn't, with Portaferry drawing level with three unanswered points. Once the bear was brought onto centre back, wee Liam put into full back and Duke out to left half, all worked well, with Duke stopping BA and bear curtailing Dule particularly in the air. We scored a bit of a scrappy goal to open up our lead again, quickly followed with another well taken goal from Eoin who had finally got a decent enough ball to get away from his man, Can't remember who scored the 4th goal but it cluinched the deal but worryingly we dropped off in performance and allowed the Ports a few consilation scores and goal to bring it down to 5 points again. We held on for the win but must improve in our consistency if we are to beat Ballycran in two weeks time.
Title: Fixtures
Post by: No1 on September 14, 2009, 11:21:20 AM
Anyone got this weeks fixtures yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the waffler on September 14, 2009, 11:32:38 AM
think there was hardly a tackle when someone hit the floor that was nt blew for a foul,wouldn't have been much play without a stop harder tackling in the camogie finals.Maybe should consider bringing a ref up for the final for the sake of a good game,think the galgets will beat the crans although they always seem to struggle with the
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 14, 2009, 12:09:26 PM
Quote from: the waffler on September 14, 2009, 11:32:38 AM
think there was hardly a tackle when someone hit the floor that was nt blew for a foul,wouldn't have been much play without a stop harder tackling in the camogie finals.Maybe should consider bringing a ref up for the final for the sake of a good game,think the galgets will beat the crans although they always seem to struggle with the

A lot of the 'tackles' were lazy slaps or pulls through the back of the man's legs and if i hear some moron shouting "the ball was there" well, it might have been but in a lot of instances the purp wasn't within an asses roar of the feckin thing. Soft penalty though as the man was burrowing in but it was alway going to be given at that stage of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 14, 2009, 12:11:55 PM
As a neutral I'd like to say Burren and Kilcoo served up a great game - it was also well refereed and I dont think the second Burren penalty call was on, to me the free should have gone to Kilcoo for charging.
Burren failed to see the need to drop an extra defender in front of Laverty and Daniel McCartan was at sea for he entire game and if his name was Smith he wouldn't be near selection.
Apart from Laverty, Niall Morgan was immenses, especially in first half and young Paul Devlin really came into it late on. Really there should have been more than 2 points in it.
For Burren only Declan Rooney stood out, not much leadership on the fiels - or indeed off it from what I could see.
There is decent material in this Burren team but they appear to have headed themselves into a management cul-de-sac.
Have to say the Kilcoo record this year is one to marvel at but Loughinisland have some good man-marking defenders and will make the final a close run thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 14, 2009, 12:21:25 PM
I think it's going to be the year of the K's. Kilkenny, Kerry and Kilcoo!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 14, 2009, 12:24:01 PM
Quote from: amallon on September 14, 2009, 12:21:25 PM
I think it's going to be the year of the K's. Kilkenny, Kerry and Kilcoo!

Well youv'e a good chance with Kikenny anyway.
What about Kork?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 14, 2009, 01:06:23 PM
Traditionally Kilcoo are a club that do not have the balls for championship football. They always bottled it when the time came to stand up and be counted. This year however if (when?) they win the championship they will have done it the hard way. They are not the best players in the county, not the best team in the county but they have a never say die attitude that no other team in the county has
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 14, 2009, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 14, 2009, 01:06:23 PM
They are not the best players in the county, not the best team in the county but they have a never say die attitude that no other team in the county has

They are the best team I have seen in the county this year and that includes Mayobridge. And anyway at the end of the day gaelic football is all about the championship and that's where to judge a team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on September 14, 2009, 01:36:45 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 14, 2009, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 14, 2009, 01:06:23 PM
They are not the best players in the county, not the best team in the county but they have a never say die attitude that no other team in the county has

They are the best team I have seen in the county this year and that includes Mayobridge. And anyway at the end of the day gaelic football is all about the championship and that's where to judge a team.
As a neutral at last nights match I must agree with the above
what took me was the physicality of Kilcoo, their athleticism and their willingness to chase every ball.
Gone was the nasty petulant side though Dominic Mc should have walked for sheer stupidity when the game was over.
Laverty and Paul devlin were fantastic, though Declan Rooney had a fantastic hour for Buren
Great nights entertainment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 14, 2009, 02:15:02 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 09, 2009, 05:48:58 PM
SFC

Clonduff v Loughinisland
Kilcoo v Burren


IFC

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

JFC

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls

Umpire, I got five out of the six correct. You only have me down as getting four correct.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 14, 2009, 02:17:27 PM
Anyone the East Down fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 14, 2009, 03:35:40 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 14, 2009, 02:15:02 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 09, 2009, 05:48:58 PM
SFC

Clonduff v Loughinisland
Kilcoo v Burren


IFC

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

JFC

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls

Umpire, I got five out of the six correct. You only have me down as getting four correct.

Likewise
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on September 14, 2009, 04:26:04 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 14, 2009, 02:17:27 PM
Anyone the East Down fixtures?


East Down GAA Fixtures
            
Quoile Tile & Bathroom Centre         
Date Tuesday  15th September Time 6.30pm      
Reserve Football League Venue Saul      
   Ardglass   v   St. Paul's    G Tumelty
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 12 League      
Date Wednesday 16th September  Time 6.30pm   
U-12 Football League Section "B"    
   Loughinisland   v   Liatroim   P McCartan
            
U-12 Football League Section "C"    
   St. Paul's    v   Kilclief   G Burns
            
Date Thursday 17th  September  Time 6.30pm   
U-14  13 Side Supplementary Football League Section A   
   Carryduff   v   Bryandford   K oO'Brien
   Bredagh   v   Downpatrick   J Mc Mullan
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 14 League      
Date Thursday  17th September  Time 6.30pm   
U-14 Football League Section "B1"    
   St. Joseph's      Cill Beachtain   M Mc Anulty
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 14 League      
Date Thursday  17th September  Time 6.30pm   
U-14 Football League Section "B2"    
   Drumaness   v   Loughinisland   G Burns
            
Date Thursday 17th  September  Time 6.30pm   
U-14  9 Side Football League Section C   
   Bredagh B   v   Kilcoo   M Brady
   Bryansford   v   Ardglass   C McMullan
            
Date Saturday 19th  September Time 1.00pm   
U-16  "A" Football Championship  final Venue  Saul   
   Kilcoo   v    Bredagh   D Laverty
            
Plus 2 Print Downpatrick U- 12 League      
Date Sunday  20th September  Time 12.30pm   
U-12 Football League Section "B"    
   Liatroim   v   Loughinisland   C McMullan
            
Date Sunday 20  September Time 12.30pm      
U-12 Football Supplementary  Leagues Section A   
   Bryansford    v   Saul    A Sharvin
    St. Paul's   v   Carryduff   J Mc Mullan
            
U-12 Football Supplementary  Leagues Section B   
   Bredagh    v    Kilcoo   G Marks
   Downpatrick   v    St Joseph's   M McAnulty
            
U-12 Football Supplementary  Leagues Section C    1.00pm   
   Dromara   v   Drumaness   M Brady
            


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on September 14, 2009, 05:02:08 PM
anyone know the dates for the championship finals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 14, 2009, 05:06:00 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on September 14, 2009, 05:02:08 PM
anyone know the dates for the championship finals?

I think the senior is on the 4th October.  I heard the intermediate is on the 27th.  Not sure about the junior final might be before the senior.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 14, 2009, 05:16:53 PM
Intermediate on Saturday 26th of september at 8pm in Newry.

Heard the Junior is on before the Intermediate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 14, 2009, 06:01:16 PM
DownFanatic and dundrumite are both correct. I had you both down for Burren instead of KIlcoo. i dont know why. Please accept my apologises.

I will check everyone again to make sure all other are correct too.

Will update table later.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 14, 2009, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: amallon on September 14, 2009, 12:21:25 PM
I think it's going to be the year of the K's. Kilkenny, Kerry and Kilcoo!

Can't argue with that, my thoughts exactly although I would prefer if Kork win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 14, 2009, 09:20:05 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 14, 2009, 02:15:02 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 09, 2009, 05:48:58 PM
SFC

Clonduff v Loughinisland
Kilcoo v Burren


IFC

Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Ballymartin v Ardglass

JFC

Teconnaught v Dromara
Glenn v St Pauls

Umpire, I got five out of the six correct. You only have me down as getting four correct.

All selections had Burren v Kilcoo in that order except yours, you had Kilcoo v Burren down, i should have spotted that, my apologies to DownFanatic and dundrumite
Update in next post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 14, 2009, 09:22:02 PM
Prediction League update.


Semi Final selections

1   6   T O Hare
2   6   tirnaog
3   6   Trevor Hill
4   5   An Cloch Scoilte
5   5   Bitta-Banter
6   5   Bredaghgael86
7   5   D45
8   5   DownFanatic
9   5   dunrumite
10   5   eyeswideopen
11   5   Green + Gold
12   5   lfdown2
13   5   Mid Down Gael
14   5   Mourne Rover
15   5   Niall Quinn
16   5   Square Ball
17   5   Statto-Gael
18   5   The Worker
19   5   thewobbler
20   5   True Blue
21   5   western exile
22   4   amallon
23   4   Bacon
24   4   behind the wire
25   4   Fender
26   4   general
27   4   Idontbelieveit
28   4   Islandboy
29   4   marsbarkid
30   4   meatsy86
31   4   mourenrambler
32   4   off the laces
33   4   souljaboy
34   4   Supersub
35   4   TheClutch
36   4   too long ref
37   4   umpire
38   3   Brick Tamlin
39   3   BRIDGE LAD
40   3   cloneman
41   3   dodgy umpire
42   3   Down6061689194
43   3   Dubh driocht
44   3   dundroma
45   3   goalswingames
46   3   Johnnie99
47   3   minus15
48   3   passedit
49   2   No1

Overall leaderboard.

1   30   Bacon
2   29   DownFanatic
3   28   Mid Down Gael
4   28   souljaboy
5   27   eyeswideopen
6   27   Green + Gold
7   27   Johnnie99
8   27   thewobbler
9   27   True Blue
10   27   western exile
11   26   behind the wire
12   26   goalswingames
13   26   Niall Quinn
14   26   off the laces
15   26   Square Ball
16   25   Bitta-Banter
17   25   BRIDGE LAD
18   25   D45
19   25   Dubh driocht
20   25   dunrumite
21   25   Islandboy
22   25   marsbarkid
23   25   meatsy86
24   25   mourenrambler
25   25   Mourne Rover
26   25   T O Hare
27   25   The Worker
28   25   TheClutch
29   24   Bredaghgael86
30   24   Down6061689194
31   24   general
32   24   No1
33   24   Trevor Hill
34   23   An Cloch Scoilte
35   23   Fender
36   23   lfdown2
37   23   minus15
38   23   Statto-Gael
39   22   cloneman
40   22   Supersub
41   22   umpire
42   21   dundroma
43   20   amallon
44   20   dodgy umpire
45   20   Fitroyalty
46   20   passedit
47   19   Brick Tamlin
48   17   too long ref
49   16   bridgegael
50   15   Leo
51   14   Blue Island
52   14   fred the ref
53   14   Irelands32
54   14   southdown
55   13   waitingforsam
56   13   wobbller
57   12   centre 3/4s
58   12   goldenyears
59   12   miss mess
60   11   Idontbelieveit
61   8   Iroberts680
62   6   stiff breeze
63   6   tirnaog

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 14, 2009, 09:26:45 PM
Kilcoo seconds beat Bryansford by 2 points tonight in the ACPRL Division 1 to be crowned league champions. Does anyone know if we go to division 4 now as sugested originally in the new league strategy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on September 14, 2009, 11:38:17 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 14, 2009, 09:26:45 PM
Kilcoo seconds beat Bryansford by 2 points tonight in the ACPRL Division 1 to be crowned league champions. Does anyone know if we go to division 4 now as sugested originally in the new league strategy?

Don't think so Gael, I think that was quashed at convention last year as far as I know, things just seem to get better everyday for Kilcoo, well done to all involved & all the hard work of the last 10-15 years at juvenile level is starting to show signs of maturing at senior level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 15, 2009, 12:40:11 AM
Great game last night in Newry for all us neautrals!!!
Thought Kilcoo were worthy winners but Burren showed that if you stop good ball going into Lavery you stop Kilcoo! He didnt score a lot but was there best player by a mile & in the first half was unplayable.
Kilcoo were lucky to finish with 15 as their indiscipline reared its ugly head with McEvoy & McClean striking out, both shouldve went in my opinion. Theres being hard (McGoverns hit on Devlin) & theres sheer stupidity.
Loughinisland are a big team but if Kilcoo can play the football & stay away from all the niggly crap then the could well do it. Im just fearful they might get dragged into a dogfight like they did against An Riocht in League Final few years ago & were more interested in trying to take boys out than win the game. But congratulations & fair play....theyve come the hard route & deserve all the plaudits they have received to date with good attacking football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 15, 2009, 10:31:26 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 14, 2009, 11:38:17 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 14, 2009, 09:26:45 PM
Kilcoo seconds beat Bryansford by 2 points tonight in the ACPRL Division 1 to be crowned league champions. Does anyone know if we go to division 4 now as sugested originally in the new league strategy?

Don't think so Gael, I think that was quashed at convention last year as far as I know, things just seem to get better everyday for Kilcoo, well done to all involved & all the hard work of the last 10-15 years at juvenile level is starting to show signs of maturing at senior level.

Cheers for that mourne rambler.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 15, 2009, 11:08:32 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 15, 2009, 10:31:26 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 14, 2009, 11:38:17 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 14, 2009, 09:26:45 PM
Kilcoo seconds beat Bryansford by 2 points tonight in the ACPRL Division 1 to be crowned league champions. Does anyone know if we go to division 4 now as sugested originally in the new league strategy?

Don't think so Gael, I think that was quashed at convention last year as far as I know, things just seem to get better everyday for Kilcoo, well done to all involved & all the hard work of the last 10-15 years at juvenile level is starting to show signs of maturing at senior level.



Cheers for that mourne rambler.





Would like to 2nd Mourne Rambler's sentiments.  Although in the past I found it hard to like Kilcoo there is no denying they are an example to all other Co Down clubs.  The effort and dedication invested in their youth over the past decade can only be admired and deserves reward.  I hope they lift the Co title this year as they will have earned that honour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 15, 2009, 11:28:16 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 15, 2009, 11:08:32 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 15, 2009, 10:31:26 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 14, 2009, 11:38:17 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 14, 2009, 09:26:45 PM
Kilcoo seconds beat Bryansford by 2 points tonight in the ACPRL Division 1 to be crowned league champions. Does anyone know if we go to division 4 now as sugested originally in the new league strategy?

Don't think so Gael, I think that was quashed at convention last year as far as I know, things just seem to get better everyday for Kilcoo, well done to all involved & all the hard work of the last 10-15 years at juvenile level is starting to show signs of maturing at senior level.



Cheers for that mourne rambler.





Would like to 2nd Mourne Rambler's sentiments.  Although in the past I found it hard to like Kilcoo there is no denying they are an example to all other Co Down clubs.  The effort and dedication invested in their youth over the past decade can only be admired and deserves reward.  I hope they lift the Co title this year as they will have earned that honour.

Agree 100 %, I remember going to watch our seniors playing there senior team not so long ago in division 3. Fair play to them and it holds true you get out what you put in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 16, 2009, 10:32:00 AM
RFC Draw

Kilcoo III V Kilclief II

Castlewellan III V Burren III

Anyone know if these games are played at neutral venues?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catchit on September 16, 2009, 11:01:29 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on September 14, 2009, 05:02:08 PM
anyone know the dates for the championship finals?

Any updates?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 16, 2009, 12:57:38 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 16, 2009, 10:32:00 AM
RFC Draw

Kilcoo III V Kilclief II

Castlewellan III V Burren III

Anyone know if these games are played at neutral venues?

They usually are!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 16, 2009, 01:33:31 PM
Quote from: Catchit on September 16, 2009, 11:01:29 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on September 14, 2009, 05:02:08 PM
anyone know the dates for the championship finals?

Any updates?


Quote from: Lecale2 on September 15, 2009, 08:11:13 AM
Where and when are all the county finals and who is competing in them?

The Down SFC is in Newry, 4th Oct at 3.30pm. Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

SHC final is in Portaferry on 27th Sept. Ballygalget v Ballycran.


Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 14, 2009, 05:16:53 PM
Intermediate on Saturday 26th of september at 8pm in Newry.

Heard the Junior is on before the Intermediate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 16, 2009, 01:41:09 PM
As the new mamagement will no doubt trawl through the county for new faces for the county panel I looked at a possible 15 who did not feature in last year's championship.
Can anyone do better than this team:
1 D Alder (Carryduff)
2 A Brannigan (Kilcoo)
3 G McArdle (Annaclone)
4 J Doran (Lisiand)
5 L Doyle (Liatroma)
6 J Colgan (An Riocht)
7 J Murphy (Ballyholland)
8 L Sloan (Attical)
9 M McClean (Kilcoo)
10 M Wals (Mbridge)
11 J Clarke (An Riocht)
12 J McGovern (Burren)
13 C Laverty (Kilcoo)
14 M Magee (Ardglass)
15 P Devlin (Kilcoo)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 16, 2009, 01:52:49 PM
QuotePosted by: T O Hare 
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Quote from: No1 on Today at 10:32:00 AM
RFC Draw

Kilcoo III V Kilclief II

Castlewellan III V Burren III

Anyone know if these games are played at neutral venues?


They usually are!!!!

Our last 2 games in this competition have been on a home and away basis.  We haven't played at a neutral venue yet!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 16, 2009, 02:05:40 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 16, 2009, 01:52:49 PM
QuotePosted by: T O Hare 
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Quote from: No1 on Today at 10:32:00 AM
RFC Draw

Kilcoo III V Kilclief II

Castlewellan III V Burren III

Anyone know if these games are played at neutral venues?


They usually are!!!!

Our last 2 games in this competition have been on a home and away basis.  We haven't played at a neutral venue yet!

In the premier reserve, we had three away games as well >:( >:( But last year the reserve and premier reserve semis were neutral.. we play Ballyholland in semis and Sean Rooney says its neutral!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catchit on September 16, 2009, 02:08:54 PM
1 M McAllister (Banbridge)
2 A Brannigan (Kilcoo)
3 G McArdle (Annaclone)
4 J Doran (Lisiand)
5 L Doyle (Liatroma)
6 J Colgan (An Riocht)
7 J Murphy (Ballyholland)
8 L Sloan (Attical)
9 M McClean (Kilcoo)
10 M Wals (Mbridge)
11 J Clarke (An Riocht)
12 J McAreavey (Tullylish)
13 C Laverty (Kilcoo)
12 J McGovern (Burren)
15 P Devlin (Kilcoo)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 16, 2009, 02:12:53 PM
I'd imagine Ryan McGovern, Joseph Murphy and Kallum King will be consideration next year.


Tom, we need home advantage. We'll be lucky to get within 20 of yis. Be sporting and agree to play in Ballyholland.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 16, 2009, 02:22:55 PM
1 D Cassidy (Castlewellan)Excellent keeper with very accurate and long kickout
2 A Brannigan (Kilcoo)
3 G McArdle (Annaclone)
4 J Doran (Lisiand)- already had a county chance and didn't cut it
5 L Doyle (Liatroim)- Too injury prone sadly
6 J Colgan (An Riocht)
7 Darren O'Hanlon (Ballymartin) Back better than ever after his broken leg
8 L Sloan (Attical)
9 Kalum King (Bryansford) Worth his chance
10 M Walsh (Mbridge)- Should never have been dropped form the panel
11 J Clarke (An Riocht)- Should never have been dropped form the panel
12 J McGovern (Burren)
13 C Laverty (Kilcoo)- Already had his chance with the county- too small
14 M Magee (Ardglass)
15 P Devlin (Kilcoo)- A bit light for inter-county yet but will def make it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 16, 2009, 02:31:19 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 16, 2009, 02:12:53 PM
I'd imagine Ryan McGovern, Joseph Murphy and Kallum King will be consideration next year.


Tom, we need home advantage. We'll be lucky to get within 20 of yis. Be sporting and agree to play in Ballyholland.

You's aren't in the semi final for nothing.... We are taken every game at a time... Are you in nets??? Would love to score one past you again ;D ;D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 16, 2009, 03:07:55 PM
I'm happily the sub keeper for all Ballyholland teams these days. It's much safer that way.

I could have sworn it was Ronan O'Hare who scored just about the only goal I conceded last season  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 16, 2009, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 16, 2009, 03:07:55 PM
I'm happily the sub keeper for all Ballyholland teams these days. It's much safer that way.

I could have sworn it was Ronan O'Hare who scored just about the only goal I conceded last season  ;)

It when in that fast you were dizzy ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 16, 2009, 04:20:59 PM


1 L Coulter  (Mayobridge)
2 D MCCartan (Burren)
3 A Branagan (Kilcoo)
4 S Grant (Mayobridge)
5 L Doyle (Liatroma)
6 J Colgan (An Riocht)
7 S Ohare (Mayobridge)
8 L Sloan (Attical)
9 M McClean (Kilcoo)
10 M Wals (Mbridge)
11 J Clarke (An Riocht)
12 J McAreavey (Tullylish)
13 C Laverty (Kilcoo)
12 J McGovern (Burren)
15 P Devlin (Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 16, 2009, 04:32:14 PM
1 M McAllister
2 A Brannigan
3 G McArdle
4 J Doran
5 S Parr
6 L Doyle
7 G McCartan
8 J Colgan
9 K King
10 M Walsh
11 M Clarke
12 J McGovern
13 J Clarke
14 J Brown
15 C Laverty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 16, 2009, 04:42:30 PM
Just regarding your suggestions Supersub:

1 M McAllister - Should be Down's numero uno between the sticks in a couple of years
2 A Brannigan - 2009 club SFC performances have proven that he can mix it at the highest standard. Needs inter county game time to see his true worth.
3 G McArdle - Lacks pace. Strong player though but will never be good enough to nail down a regular starting slot.
4 J Doran - Tried and tested. Failed.
5 S Parr - Unproven. Maybe lacking a bit of physicality but well worth a shot.
6 L Doyle - Injury free, he is a cert.
7 G McCartan - Another that deserves a chance.
8 J Colgan - Lacks the speed and pace to compete at Senior Intercounty level. Overated.
9 K King - Should make the 2010 squad. An old school ball winning, catch and kick midfielder.
10 M Walsh - A playmaker who has a lot of experience. Deserves another chance.
11 M Clarke - The icing on the cake. Keep saying our prayers.
12 J McGovern - Is he any better than what we already have in our attacking ranks?
13 J Clarke - A nailed on cert who will have a big year in 2010
14 J Brown - Forget about it. Cant even secure a starting berth with Clonduff.
15 C Laverty - Balls, intelligence and a never say die attitude. Size doesn'tmatter. Get him in there.

Just in terms of what Ive seen in Division 3 this year. Gareth Johnson (Tullylish), Mark Connolly (Drumgath), Kevin Anderson (Aghaderg) and Michael Magee (Ardglass) definitely wouldn't look out of place in a trial game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catchit on September 16, 2009, 04:45:19 PM
 D Cassidy (Castlewellan)Dodgy under High Ball I heard!
2 A Brannigan (Kilcoo) Not great with defensive duties
3 G McArdle (Annaclone) What happened, thought he was on it
4 J Doran (Lisiand)- already had a county chance and didn't cut it
5 L Doyle (Liatroim)- Too injury prone sadly
6 J Colgan (An Riocht)
7 Darren O'Hanlon (Ballymartin) Back better than ever after his broken leg
8 L Sloan (Attical)
9 Kalum King (Bryansford) Worth his chance
10 M Walsh (Mbridge)- Should never have been dropped form the panel
11 M Clarke (An Riocht)- I wish
12 J McAreavy (Tullylish) 2-3 against Donegal, never seen again??
13 C Laverty (Kilcoo)- Already had his chance with the county- too small
14 J Clarke (An Riocht)
15 P Devlin (Kilcoo)- A bit light for inter-county yet but will def make it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on September 16, 2009, 04:46:50 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 16, 2009, 01:41:09 PM
As the new mamagement will no doubt trawl through the county for new faces for the county panel I looked at a possible 15 who did not feature in last year's championship.
Can anyone do better than this team:
1 D Alder (Carryduff)
2 A Brannigan (Kilcoo)
3 G McArdle (Annaclone)
4 J Doran (Lisiand)
5 L Doyle (Liatroma)
6 J Colgan (An Riocht)
7 J Murphy (Ballyholland)
8 L Sloan (Attical)
9 M McClean (Kilcoo)
10 M Wals (Mbridge)
11 J Clarke (An Riocht)
12 J McGovern (Burren)
13 C Laverty (Kilcoo)
14 M Magee (Ardglass)
15 P Devlin (Kilcoo)
There were about 8 or 9 boys who started against Fermanagh who you could say did not feature in the Championship!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 16, 2009, 05:05:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 16, 2009, 02:12:53 PM
I'd imagine Ryan McGovern, Joseph Murphy and Kallum King will be consideration next year.


Tom, we need home advantage. We'll be lucky to get within 20 of yis. Be sporting and agree to play in Ballyholland.

Joe would need to put a stone or two on before he would count at this level......but I remember Paul being the same size at his age and maybe smaller so....let's wait and see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stillsenior on September 16, 2009, 06:30:13 PM
Anybody know when Minor Championship Final is on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 16, 2009, 07:23:33 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on September 16, 2009, 06:30:13 PM
Anybody know when Minor Championship Final is on

Same day as senior. 4th Oct.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 16, 2009, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 16, 2009, 07:23:33 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on September 16, 2009, 06:30:13 PM
Anybody know when Minor Championship Final is on

Same day as senior. 4th Oct.

a long day out for Kilcoo, will there be anyone left to look after the place?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 16, 2009, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 16, 2009, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 16, 2009, 07:23:33 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on September 16, 2009, 06:30:13 PM
Anybody know when Minor Championship Final is on

Same day as senior. 4th Oct.

a long day out for Kilcoo, will there be anyone left to look after the place?

Wouldn think there will be too many left now. Not that many in it to start with. lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 16, 2009, 07:34:11 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 16, 2009, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 16, 2009, 07:23:33 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on September 16, 2009, 06:30:13 PM
Anybody know when Minor Championship Final is on

Same day as senior. 4th Oct.

a long day out for Kilcoo, will there be anyone left to look after the place?

I can't imagine the local security lacking real continuity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 16, 2009, 07:42:59 PM
Id go with: Excluding under 21s.

1. Declan Alder
2. Nial Brannigan
3. Aidan Brannigan
4. Ruari McArdle
5. Shane Ohare
6. Darren Cunningham
7. Miceal McCartan
8. Kallum King
9. James Colgan
10. Mark Poland
11. Michael Walsh
12. James McGovern
13. Conor Laverty
14. John Clarke
15. Colm Kearney


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leg End on September 16, 2009, 11:02:07 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 16, 2009, 07:23:33 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on September 16, 2009, 06:30:13 PM
Anybody know when Minor Championship Final is on

Same day as senior. 4th Oct.

is this for definate. Does this mean the junior and intermediate are both on 26th for Definate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 17, 2009, 07:58:10 AM
There's nothing "for Definate" when it comes to GAA fixtures!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on September 17, 2009, 08:23:43 AM
Hear now that Pete McGath is complaining about the manager selection process. Does Pete expect some special treatment - does he forget how far his halo had slipped prior to the appointment of his successor.?
How many egoheads do we have in this county - first the embarrassment of Ross & co who just didnt know when to go and now Pete jumping up & down like a petulant child. My memorys not that good now, but I dont remember Paddy O'Rourke making a show of himself when things didnt work out - he left like a gentleman. dignity intact.

I totally despair with these others who seem to need/want their egos massaged on a regular basis. Mind you, it doent just happen at county level  - most clubs seem to own one or two as well!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 17, 2009, 08:36:40 AM
I heard on the grapevine that Marty Clarke definitely is on his way home and won't be going back to Collingwood. Good news for Down if it's true- can any Mourne Men back this up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on September 17, 2009, 08:54:58 AM
comment on the second part of daddy long legs about ths ****holes around clubs (every club has them),the type of moron who disagrees wth a resonably good and thought out proposal for their club because they had'nt the brains to think about it in the first place and then mysteriously suggest the very same idea six months later!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on September 17, 2009, 09:53:28 AM
13aside, I think thats a fairly specific issue you might have with one individual in your own Club (doesn't sound like a pleasant chap though).
Im actually talking about a different animal altogether - egotistical head stuck up a ususally adequate backside who thinks the GAA world should bow to them in reverent respect. Sad development in the GAA species as many who have developed into this state have made reasonable or even significant contributions in the past but now believe they can live off that for the rest of their lives - they tend to think the GAA (either Club or County) is all about them, forget about the fact that there was a functioniing organisation there before they were even born and, sadly, forget the old truism "you're only as good as your last game".
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on September 17, 2009, 10:15:12 AM
take your point 'daddy' and i can think of at least one nationally who fits the bill,but thankfully the vast majority remember that a lot of people gave up a lot of time (and no doubt money) to help them achieve their dreams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Upperbann on September 17, 2009, 12:16:57 PM
Daddylonglegs good aul rant there. If your on about ego's then Down have none better than the new manager in place.  You've quite a bad memory also re. P O'R or maybe you weren't old enough when that debacle occured.  Down seem to make quite a habit of making a real mess of hiring and firing and this isn't the first time.  As far as i'm concerned everyone has the right of redress - it was on this very board that news of wee James appointment came to light - now if Pete McGrath found out from the paper and not from the 5 man committee / Co. Board of his failure to be selected - that is wrong! Some-one within the Down Co set-up has been leaking information on a regular basis and should be brought to task - it wouldn't be too hard to find out who!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: hectorsheroes on September 17, 2009, 12:32:33 PM
Pete got f***ed over due to personal agenda's from what the grapevine is saying. He DID get asked about Down underperforming and he was told he wasn't good enough. Ridiculous way to treat a man who just brought two Ulster under 21 titles.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 17, 2009, 12:45:46 PM
If McGrath found out that he didnt get the job via the Irish News then that is a disgrace.He was led to believe that the announcement wouldnt be made for 3 weeks.He isnt aggrieved over McCartan getting the job over him, he is making the point about how County Board acted.Anyone know make-up of managerial sub-committee?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on September 17, 2009, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 17, 2009, 12:45:46 PM
If McGrath found out that he didnt get the job via the Irish News then that is a disgrace.He was led to believe that the announcement wouldnt be made for 3 weeks.He isnt aggrieved over McCartan getting the job over him, he is making the point about how County Board acted.Anyone know make-up of managerial sub-committee?
John Devenney, Seamus Ryan, Paul Blayney, Emmet Haughian & ?Sean Óg McAteer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Upperbann on September 17, 2009, 01:19:16 PM
Wouldn't be hard to guess which one asked the 'dodgy' question :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 17, 2009, 01:25:23 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on September 17, 2009, 12:53:57 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 17, 2009, 12:45:46 PM
If McGrath found out that he didnt get the job via the Irish News then that is a disgrace.He was led to believe that the announcement wouldnt be made for 3 weeks.He isnt aggrieved over McCartan getting the job over him, he is making the point about how County Board acted.Anyone know make-up of managerial sub-committee?
John Devenney, Seamus Ryan, Paul Blayney, Emmet Haughian & ?Sean Óg McAteer

Is one of those lads not a close relation to the successful candidate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Upperbann on September 17, 2009, 01:38:20 PM
Nah! 2nd cousin twice removed maybe. But a few of them are QUB old boys!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on September 17, 2009, 01:45:19 PM
Im happy to see Brian McIver on board it's some thing new but is Paddy Tally just doing the same job as before? I still think Pete was the way to go:-(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 17, 2009, 02:19:46 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on September 17, 2009, 08:23:43 AM
Hear now that Pete McGath is complaining about the manager selection process. Does Pete expect some special treatment - does he forget how far his halo had slipped prior to the appointment of his successor.?
How many egoheads do we have in this county - first the embarrassment of Ross & co who just didnt know when to go and now Pete jumping up & down like a petulant child. My memorys not that good now, but I dont remember Paddy O'Rourke making a show of himself when things didnt work out - he left like a gentleman. dignity intact.

I totally despair with these others who seem to need/want their egos massaged on a regular basis. Mind you, it doent just happen at county level  - most clubs seem to own one or two as well!!!

Catch a grip. Pete is not an ego. I would be slightly pissed off if thats the way I found out also. That rant of yours is over the top lad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 17, 2009, 03:27:11 PM
Quotebut I dont remember Paddy O'Rourke making a show of himself when things didnt work out - he left like a gentleman. dignity intact.
You've a selective memory.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on September 17, 2009, 03:45:35 PM
yep,run by a bunch of (sh....)amateurs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on September 17, 2009, 04:18:49 PM
Did Paddy O' Rourke not go on UTV and put the blame on schools for the mess the county team was in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on September 17, 2009, 04:33:40 PM
1) G.Joyce (ballymartin) Has not been tested at this level worth a go
2) A.Brannigan (kilcoo) His 2009 season speaks for itself. Best defender i have seen this year
3) G.McArdle (annaclone) Fantastic in the 2008 mckenna cup. Never really got more chances after. Worth a shot
4) Conor Poland (longstone) Some might think that it is a bit early but i think he will give this Down team something different
5) G.Johnson (Tullylish) Seems to be a versatile player as any time we play them he plays somewhere different! great athletic player. Questions to be answered if he can step it up to this level
6) L.Sloan (Attical) Thought he was superb for Down in the Mckenna cup and they never gave him a chance after. well worth his place
7)  Liam Doyle (Liatroim) Speeks for himself. He is what Down missed this year
8 ) k.King (Bryansford) A beast of a man back to his very best. I think he could be a regular in the Down team
9) J.Colgan (An Riocht) Many believe he is over rated. Think he is out to prove everyone wrong this year
10) J.McGovern (Burren) He is the Burren forward line by himself. A fantastic player
11) M.Walsh (Mayobridge) The best playmaker in the county without a doubt. Has been in superb form. He is what the Down half forward line lacks. A playmaker!
12) J.McAreavey (Tullylish) Another poster already mentioned 2-3 v Donegal and never seen again. Bit greedy when we play them but with the right players with him it will not happen.
13) C.Laverty (Kilcoo) A cheeky wee bugger but thats what we need. The current Down team are too nice. He is our ricey mc menamin type of personality. Great player can bring others into the game
14) J.Clarke (An Riocht) What a player. Disgrace he was thrown out of the Down team last year. One of the greatest point takers in the county.
15) P.Devlin (Kilcoo) A bit light of himself. If he bulked up a bit he would be a star. Will make it but could be a bit early.


I believe everyone of these lads deserve a go in the Down team. Most players are div 1 but that is were most of the quality is. People may think its wild throwing 2 div3 players into this team but they are great players. A few others i would throw into that team would be:
Darren O'Hanlon (Ballymartin)
M Magee (Ardglass)
J Doran (Lisiand)
J Murphy (Ballyholland)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on September 17, 2009, 05:09:23 PM
it appears from todays irish news that this someone  has waited seventeen years to exact some sort of revenge on pete,what a shame that he seems to have used his trusted and important position in our (yes-OUR !!!) county to self-serve.I would like to make it clear that i fully support the new management and wish them the very best of luck,it just seems to me that all this could and should have been avoided and yet again we make the headlines for the wrong reasons     
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 17, 2009, 05:50:39 PM
Well said 13aside. Pete desreved better than that. The Longstone man in question should NEVER have had a say in the selection process. Down football is forever indebted to Pete for the success he brought us. While James would not have been my choice he deserves the support of the entire county now for the good of Down football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 17, 2009, 07:44:22 PM
Wind this back a bit fellas please. It was a five man committee. Last time I looked, one vote isn't enough to seal a deal in these situations.

The person who has swung the county management decision into a personal matter is Pete McGrath, not anyone from Longstone.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on September 17, 2009, 08:36:55 PM
Anyone trying to justify the treatment served out to pete is as big tr**p as those on the conty board who sanctioned the appointment of the new management team... the service that man gave to this county was second to none what did any of those pricks on the selection panel ever do for this county especially that longstone nob!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 17, 2009, 08:49:40 PM
I'm justifying nothing centre 3/4s. Why the likes of you have to turn simple decisions into huge scandals, I just don't know.

The selection committee had a job to do, which they did with minimal fuss, in quick time, and with a large amount of discretion. Very few whispers came out of that camp during the process. And in the end they've reached a decision that is popular with everyone I've talked to in recent days.

It seems though the cat came out of the bag a little too early regarding the appointment, and that this has upset Pete McGrath enough to turn this into a personal issue. Storm in a teacup. Load of noise about nothing. But he has managed to find people like you bang his drum for him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on September 17, 2009, 09:02:52 PM
Of course Pete is upset, but I think the right decision was made when appointing the new manager. Obviously Pete is disappointed, who wouldn't be, but the appointment was pretty well handled. Maybe Pete should have been notified of any decision before it was released to the media, but with hindsight we would all be perfect.
Pete had his day and brought us two All Irelands and for that we will always be indebted to him, but it was time to move forward, not back. Its also time for everyone to support Wee James and this team and stop bickering. Give the man a chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:28:28 PM
Boys-a-dear has this placed us in a big messy hole and seems we are still digging. 
A shambles no matter what you think of the decision. 
More of the same for Co Down I fear while the gap between us and other Ulster counties continues to grow.

Am considering becoming an Antrim supporter or a dose of cyanide.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on September 17, 2009, 09:36:35 PM
How is it a shambles?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 17, 2009, 09:39:02 PM
Unacceptable that Pete McGrath (or any candidate for that matter) is not notified as soon as the successful applicant has accepted the position.

Under no circumstances should they find out off the papers!


At the end of the day it isn't asking much, manners are easily carried and all that.


You wouldn't like it if it happened to you, or if it happened in the workplace.


Must do better folks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 17, 2009, 09:36:35 PM
How is it a shambles?

Well Um let me think? 
1. New Manager's appointment under a big cloud of controversy,
2. New Manager's selection decision alledgedly more to do with a selection panel member's less than objective influence,
3. Ametuer PR irt the announcement/leak,
4. the bickering amoung genuine Down GAA followers (just read this thread),
5. there is no imagination in the actual appointment so expect more the same - we got the wrong man and therefore continued failure,
6. need I go on?

A clear shambles in my and I believe most objective observers points of view
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 17, 2009, 09:56:09 PM
I heard from a very close source to wee pete today that he will quit the under 21s and take nothin more to do with county teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 17, 2009, 10:04:36 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 17, 2009, 09:56:09 PM
I heard from a very close source to wee pete today that he will quit the under 21s and take nothin more to do with county teams.

I'd well believe it.


Anyone would be pissed off at that treatment.



[BTW - I'm not disagreeing with the decision, I think its probably for the best, but the poor handling of it is a problem]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 17, 2009, 10:37:38 PM
It's not a Shambles!

A Shambles is what they have in Armagh.  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on September 17, 2009, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
1. New Manager's appointment under a big cloud of controversy

What controversy? Wee James is the right man for the job. Unless we were going to appoint a big name, big money outsider then there was no other option.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
2. New Manager's selection decision alledgedly more to do with a selection panel member's less than objective influence

Nonsense, it was a 5 man panel, who were answerable to the CB and in turn to the clubs, if you have an issue with the appointment take it up with your club, who in turn can raise the matter with the CB if they feel you have a case. (Which you don't)

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
3. Ametuer PR irt the announcement/leak

What else would you expect from what is an amateur organisation. Maybe we should appoint a team of PR consultants?? Yes it was wrong, but we all make mistakes, in the grand scheme of things its no big deal.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
4. the bickering amoung genuine Down GAA followers (just read this thread),

I have met very few people who are not in favour of Wee James getting the job. And as for genuine Down supporters on this thread or board for that matter, how many of you go to games on a regular basis? I reckon there are about a half dozen posters on this board who regularly attend county games.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
5. there is no imagination in the actual appointment so expect more the same - we got the wrong man and therefore continued failure,

We are not Kerry or Tyrone, name a big name outsider who would take us on? Micko? Paidi?  Get real. James is the right man for the job at this time and is entitled to our support.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
6. need I go on?

No your argument has already been ripped to shreds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on September 17, 2009, 11:27:30 PM
I think lads ,that everybody here is just about touching on valid points ,there is good and bad in the way that James was appointed.For a man off Peter Mcgath's standing to be treated the way he was is just not accepttable.The county board have to look at the way people are treated,people give their time up and when they are finished with them they are treated like dirt and for got about.I know for a fact that when minors are trying to make a team and they dont make the cut they find out in the papers or some of their team mates tell them,even in the later stages of selection .The county board have to put a policy in place that people at least deserve a phone call on all occasions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on September 17, 2009, 11:46:13 PM
Unprofessional, discourteous,disgraceful treatment of a Man who has served this County well. It begs the question is the Co. Board open, democratic, ethical, honourable, or indeed fit for purpose. I for one have my doubts, and i speak from some experience
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 17, 2009, 11:55:37 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 17, 2009, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
1. New Manager's appointment under a big cloud of controversy

What controversy? Wee James is the right man for the job. Unless we were going to appoint a big name, big money outsider then there was no other option.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
2. New Manager's selection decision alledgedly more to do with a selection panel member's less than objective influence

Nonsense, it was a 5 man panel, who were answerable to the CB and in turn to the clubs, if you have an issue with the appointment take it up with your club, who in turn can raise the matter with the CB if they feel you have a case. (Which you don't)

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
3. Ametuer PR irt the announcement/leak

What else would you expect from what is an amateur organisation. Maybe we should appoint a team of PR consultants?? Yes it was wrong, but we all make mistakes, in the grand scheme of things its no big deal.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
4. the bickering amoung genuine Down GAA followers (just read this thread),

I have met very few people who are not in favour of Wee James getting the job. And as for genuine Down supporters on this thread or board for that matter, how many of you go to games on a regular basis? I reckon there are about a half dozen posters on this board who regularly attend county games.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
5. there is no imagination in the actual appointment so expect more the same - we got the wrong man and therefore continued failure,

We are not Kerry or Tyrone, name a big name outsider who would take us on? Micko? Paidi?  Get real. James is the right man for the job at this time and is entitled to our support.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
6. need I go on?

No your argument has already been ripped to shreds.

Touche
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on September 18, 2009, 12:11:32 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 17, 2009, 09:36:35 PM
How is it a shambles?

Well Um let me think? 
1. New Manager's appointment under a big cloud of controversy,
2. New Manager's selection decision alledgedly more to do with a selection panel member's less than objective influence,
3. Ametuer PR irt the announcement/leak,
4. the bickering amoung genuine Down GAA followers (just read this thread),
5. there is no imagination in the actual appointment so expect more the same - we got the wrong man and therefore continued failure,
6. need I go on?

A clear shambles in my and I believe most objective observers points of view
Thats enough now Pete. You had your say in the Irish News
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on September 18, 2009, 12:44:08 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 17, 2009, 11:46:13 PM
Unprofessional, discourteous,disgraceful treatment of a Man who has served this County well. It begs the question is the Co. Board open, democratic, ethical, honourable, or indeed fit for purpose. I for one have my doubts, and i speak from some experience

No one is doubting Pete McGraths credentials, or that he hasn't served our county well, but we as a county are often accused of living in the past, dwelling on our past glories. If the CB had appointed Pete, there would have been a hell of a lot more people complaining than there are now. Reappointing Pete would have been a step in the wrong direction in my opinion and I think that Wee James was the logical choice.
There are a lot of people involved with the county in one way or another that I have no time for, in fact there is one man on the committee that appointed James that I have even less time for, but I think they done a good job this time and it is time we all got off their backs. It is very easy to criticise, while none of you have any alternatives to offer up.
We need a severe dose of realism in Down, we haven't won anything of note in 15 years. Who outside of our own county would want the job? We have what many people believe to be a good management team in place and we should at least give them a chance before passing judgement.
When Down beat Armagh in the league next year you`ll all be telling your friends that you knew James was the man for the job and that we are going places. Now if you want to see how not to appoint a county manager go over to the Armagh thread and get a good laugh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 18, 2009, 08:30:53 AM
The 5 man panel was a joke- the 5 chosen to appoint should have been totally impartial.

1- Devenney- worked with James with the University team
2- Blayney- Borther-in-Law of James
3- Haughian- Can't stand Pete McGrath (How is winning 2 All-Irelands underachieving Emmet?)

So before the interviews even began a majority of the panel were going to vote for James.
As for the CB having to give their stamp of approval that's a nonsense, they were going to agree to whatever decision the panel came to.

As for Pete finding out in the press- that's an absolute disgrace and insult and I wouldn't blame him for turning his back on Down for it.
Title: Newry Shamrocks
Post by: No1 on September 18, 2009, 09:21:24 AM
WTF dirt have these boys got on the county board?

They have managed to get tomorrow's hurling fixture against Kilclief postponed. 

Between football and hurling games between us and them they have managed to get 4 or 5 fixture changes to suit themselves this year.

No other club in the county would be given this leeway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 18, 2009, 09:55:25 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 18, 2009, 08:30:53 AM
The 5 man panel was a joke- the 5 chosen to appoint should have been totally impartial.

1- Devenney- worked with James with the University team
2- Blayney- Borther-in-Law of James
3- Haughian- Can't stand Pete McGrath (How is winning 2 All-Irelands underachieving Emmet?)

So before the interviews even began a majority of the panel were going to vote for James.
As for the CB having to give their stamp of approval that's a nonsense, they were going to agree to whatever decision the panel came to.

As for Pete finding out in the press- that's an absolute disgrace and insult and I wouldn't blame him for turning his back on Down for it.

      Long Ball,you are way out of order here.Paul Blaney note not Blayney is no relation to James Mc Cartan.He has been chair of our Club Bredagh for this past 4 years,a club with 33 teams across 4 codes.Ask anyone about his fairness in dealing with all the issues across these codes and the other situations we face such as no pitch,dealing with Belfast city council and its long tradition of promoting soccer on their facilities,posts being ripped down and burnt in Hydebank playing fields.You are talking through your hat and as for Jack Devaney,he also is a member of Bredagh and while I don't know him to talk to, all that I have heard about would point towards an upstanding capbale Gaa man .Get your facts straight before coming on here with your measly nine posts and trying to blacken people's unpaid work for the Gaa.Ar-ehole.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 18, 2009, 09:57:49 AM
why were there 2 bredagh men on the selection panel in the first place??
Title: Re: Newry Shamrocks
Post by: 6th sam on September 18, 2009, 09:58:38 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 18, 2009, 09:21:24 AM
WTF dirt have these boys got on the county board?

They have managed to get tomorrow's hurling fixture against Kilclief postponed. 

Between football and hurling games between us and them they have managed to get 4 or 5 fixture changes to suit themselves this year.

No other club in the county would be given this leeway.

Didn't take you for a conspiracy theorist No.1!

It's just not fair,Kilclief have apparently made several requests for postponements in the past for weddings,stag weekends,Bobby Dalzell,Strangford regatta and Castleward opera-and all have been cynically rejected by those South Downers on the County Board :D

Only joking,I know that Kilclief despite being a dual club,make every attempt to get fixtures played,yet Shamrocks appear to postpone at the drop of the hat.I think the relative league positions of yourselves and Shamrocks in both codes,shows that Kilclief's committment to playing games pays off.I think the GAA has a problem in terms of postponement or failure to field among a number of clubs.Some clubs would prefer not fielding than risk getting beaten on the field.I know our own club have been on the receiving end of hidings,as a result of fielding weakened teams,but if a club allows an ethos to develop,whereby they feel if they are short they'll make every attempt to postpone,they're in trouble.

If the stories about frequent postponements and failure to field,regarding Shamrocks are true,surely opposing clubs and the county board have to challenge this-for the good of Shamrocks  as much as anything else.
Title: Re: Newry Shamrocks
Post by: THE DADGA on September 18, 2009, 12:13:26 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 18, 2009, 09:21:24 AM
WTF dirt have these boys got on the county board?

They have managed to get tomorrow's hurling fixture against Kilclief postponed. 

Between football and hurling games between us and them they have managed to get 4 or 5 fixture changes to suit themselves this year.

No other club in the county would be given this leeway.
No.1 is your man from ballygalget stayin on next year to manage the hurlers?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 18, 2009, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 18, 2009, 09:58:38 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 18, 2009, 09:21:24 AM
WTF dirt have these boys got on the county board?

They have managed to get tomorrow's hurling fixture against Kilclief postponed. 

Between football and hurling games between us and them they have managed to get 4 or 5 fixture changes to suit themselves this year.

No other club in the county would be given this leeway.

Didn't take you for a conspiracy theorist No.1!

It's just not fair,Kilclief have apparently made several requests for postponements in the past for weddings,stag weekends,Bobby Dalzell,Strangford regatta and Castleward opera-and all have been cynically rejected by those South Downers on the County Board :D

Only joking,I know that Kilclief despite being a dual club,make every attempt to get fixtures played,yet Shamrocks appear to postpone at the drop of the hat.I think the relative league positions of yourselves and Shamrocks in both codes,shows that Kilclief's committment to playing games pays off.I think the GAA has a problem in terms of postponement or failure to field among a number of clubs.Some clubs would prefer not fielding than risk getting beaten on the field.I know our own club have been on the receiving end of hidings,as a result of fielding weakened teams,but if a club allows an ethos to develop,whereby they feel if they are short they'll make every attempt to postpone,they're in trouble.

If the stories about frequent postponements and failure to field,regarding Shamrocks are true,surely opposing clubs and the county board have to challenge this-for the good of Shamrocks  as much as anything else.

The excuse this times something like "they've to go to Dublin for the football this weekend". We were surprised to see them down at the St. Judes 7's in Dublin a few weeks back as they don't seem to be able to find their way to any of the other Hurling clubs in Down.
Also our match v Ballycran is postponed for 3 weeks due to Ballycran competing in Minor and Senior finals over the next fortnight.
Lastly fair play to Bredagh, think i saw them down to play 2 senior Football and 2 senior Hurling matches tomorrow at 3 venues, some achievement if all games go ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 18, 2009, 12:49:27 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on September 18, 2009, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 18, 2009, 09:58:38 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 18, 2009, 09:21:24 AM
WTF dirt have these boys got on the county board?

They have managed to get tomorrow's hurling fixture against Kilclief postponed. 

Between football and hurling games between us and them they have managed to get 4 or 5 fixture changes to suit themselves this year.

No other club in the county would be given this leeway.

Didn't take you for a conspiracy theorist No.1!

It's just not fair,Kilclief have apparently made several requests for postponements in the past for weddings,stag weekends,Bobby Dalzell,Strangford regatta and Castleward opera-and all have been cynically rejected by those South Downers on the County Board :D

Only joking,I know that Kilclief despite being a dual club,make every attempt to get fixtures played,yet Shamrocks appear to postpone at the drop of the hat.I think the relative league positions of yourselves and Shamrocks in both codes,shows that Kilclief's committment to playing games pays off.I think the GAA has a problem in terms of postponement or failure to field among a number of clubs.Some clubs would prefer not fielding than risk getting beaten on the field.I know our own club have been on the receiving end of hidings,as a result of fielding weakened teams,but if a club allows an ethos to develop,whereby they feel if they are short they'll make every attempt to postpone,they're in trouble.

If the stories about frequent postponements and failure to field,regarding Shamrocks are true,surely opposing clubs and the county board have to challenge this-for the good of Shamrocks  as much as anything else.

The excuse this times something like "they've to go to Dublin for the football this weekend". We were surprised to see them down at the St. Judes 7's in Dublin a few weeks back as they don't seem to be able to find their way to any of the other Hurling clubs in Down.
Also our match v Ballycran is postponed for 3 weeks due to Ballycran competing in Minor and Senior finals over the next fortnight.
Lastly fair play to Bredagh, think i saw them down to play 2 senior Football and 2 senior Hurling matches tomorrow at 3 venues, some achievement if all games go ahead.

   Another of the issues facing Bredagh that Long Ball would do well to understand.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on September 18, 2009, 12:50:03 PM
I see Danny Hughes has come out in surpport of the wee James appointment , Do players say this to stay in the mix or are they happy with the new managment? but im sure Danny will be there anyway, but should players get a say in the new managers appointment. :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 18, 2009, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 18, 2009, 09:55:25 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 18, 2009, 08:30:53 AM
The 5 man panel was a joke- the 5 chosen to appoint should have been totally impartial.

1- Devenney- worked with James with the University team
2- Blayney- Borther-in-Law of James
3- Haughian- Can't stand Pete McGrath (How is winning 2 All-Irelands underachieving Emmet?)

So before the interviews even began a majority of the panel were going to vote for James.
As for the CB having to give their stamp of approval that's a nonsense, they were going to agree to whatever decision the panel came to.

As for Pete finding out in the press- that's an absolute disgrace and insult and I wouldn't blame him for turning his back on Down for it.

      Long Ball,you are way out of order here.Paul Blaney note not Blayney is no relation to James Mc Cartan.He has been chair of our Club Bredagh for this past 4 years,a club with 33 teams across 4 codes.Ask anyone about his fairness in dealing with all the issues across these codes and the other situations we face such as no pitch,dealing with Belfast city council and its long tradition of promoting soccer on their facilities,posts being ripped down and burnt in Hydebank playing fields.You are talking through your hat and as for Jack Devaney,he also is a member of Bredagh and while I don't know him to talk to, all that I have heard about would point towards an upstanding capbale Gaa man .Get your facts straight before coming on here with your measly nine posts and trying to blacken people's unpaid work for the Gaa.Ar-ehole.

Well said Square Ball.
My understanding is that Balney and Haughian were nominated onto the selction  panel. Don't know Devaney but I do know Blaney asa single-minded committed Down supporter who would have done what he considered right for the county, and I'm neither a Bredagh or Ballycran man nor related in any way to anyone involved.

As for Pete and the press I am disappointed that he choses to slam the rest of the county baord because of an apparent mutual   dislki kbetween him and one member of the selection panel and a leaked report, again by one person, for which too many ill-informed posters are using to castigate all and sundry.


Nobody has yet told me what the county board did wrong.

We have a new management team - it looks exciting to me and even if it isn't to everybody's liking (no appointment would) it is a big improvement on what we had with the previous incumbents. Time to be positive and get behind them.

By the way I'm told that same selection panel member is not known for his love of the Mccartans!

Up Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on September 18, 2009, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 18, 2009, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 18, 2009, 09:55:25 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 18, 2009, 08:30:53 AM
The 5 man panel was a joke- the 5 chosen to appoint should have been totally impartial.

1- Devenney- worked with James with the University team
2- Blayney- Borther-in-Law of James
3- Haughian- Can't stand Pete McGrath (How is winning 2 All-Irelands underachieving Emmet?)

So before the interviews even began a majority of the panel were going to vote for James.
As for the CB having to give their stamp of approval that's a nonsense, they were going to agree to whatever decision the panel came to.

As for Pete finding out in the press- that's an absolute disgrace and insult and I wouldn't blame him for turning his back on Down for it.

      Long Ball,you are way out of order here.Paul Blaney note not Blayney is no relation to James Mc Cartan.He has been chair of our Club Bredagh for this past 4 years,a club with 33 teams across 4 codes.Ask anyone about his fairness in dealing with all the issues across these codes and the other situations we face such as no pitch,dealing with Belfast city council and its long tradition of promoting soccer on their facilities,posts being ripped down and burnt in Hydebank playing fields.You are talking through your hat and as for Jack Devaney,he also is a member of Bredagh and while I don't know him to talk to, all that I have heard about would point towards an upstanding capbale Gaa man .Get your facts straight before coming on here with your measly nine posts and trying to blacken people's unpaid work for the Gaa.Ar-ehole.

Well said Square Ball.
My understanding is that Balney and Haughian were nominated onto the selction  panel. Don't know Devaney but I do know Blaney asa single-minded committed Down supporter who would have done what he considered right for the county, and I'm neither a Bredagh or Ballycran man nor related in any way to anyone involved.

As for Pete and the press I am disappointed that he choses to slam the rest of the county baord because of an apparent mutual   dislki kbetween him and one member of the selection panel and a leaked report, again by one person, for which too many ill-informed posters are using to castigate all and sundry.


Nobody has yet told me what the county board did wrong.

We have a new management team - it looks exciting to me and even if it isn't to everybody's liking (no appointment would) it is a big improvement on what we had with the previous incumbents. Time to be positive and get behind them.

By the way I'm told that same selection panel member is not known for his love of the Mccartans!

Up Down.
Hi Leo, (sorry this has nothin to do with the gripping management fiasco). You say Bredagh have 4 codes, wats the fourth: handball? Rounder's?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on September 18, 2009, 02:03:31 PM
He probably meant mens football, hurling, camogie and ladies football as the four codes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 18, 2009, 02:07:41 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on September 18, 2009, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 18, 2009, 09:58:38 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 18, 2009, 09:21:24 AM
WTF dirt have these boys got on the county board?

They have managed to get tomorrow's hurling fixture against Kilclief postponed. 

Between football and hurling games between us and them they have managed to get 4 or 5 fixture changes to suit themselves this year.

No other club in the county would be given this leeway.

Didn't take you for a conspiracy theorist No.1!

It's just not fair,Kilclief have apparently made several requests for postponements in the past for weddings,stag weekends,Bobby Dalzell,Strangford regatta and Castleward opera-and all have been cynically rejected by those South Downers on the County Board :D

Only joking,I know that Kilclief despite being a dual club,make every attempt to get fixtures played,yet Shamrocks appear to postpone at the drop of the hat.I think the relative league positions of yourselves and Shamrocks in both codes,shows that Kilclief's committment to playing games pays off.I think the GAA has a problem in terms of postponement or failure to field among a number of clubs.Some clubs would prefer not fielding than risk getting beaten on the field.I know our own club have been on the receiving end of hidings,as a result of fielding weakened teams,but if a club allows an ethos to develop,whereby they feel if they are short they'll make every attempt to postpone,they're in trouble.

If the stories about frequent postponements and failure to field,regarding Shamrocks are true,surely opposing clubs and the county board have to challenge this-for the good of Shamrocks  as much as anything else.

The excuse this times something like "they've to go to Dublin for the football this weekend". We were surprised to see them down at the St. Judes 7's in Dublin a few weeks back as they don't seem to be able to find their way to any of the other Hurling clubs in Down.
Also our match v Ballycran is postponed for 3 weeks due to Ballycran competing in Minor and Senior finals over the next fortnight.
Lastly fair play to Bredagh, think i saw them down to play 2 senior Football and 2 senior Hurling matches tomorrow at 3 venues, some achievement if all games go ahead.

in fairness to Ballycran, they are meant to be putting out a minor team (Ulster league) and a senior and reserve team (antrim league) tomorrow but I can either see the minor game moved to the sunday or they'll not play the reserve game not to mention the Joe McCrickard. I don't think its anything to do with the senior final being on next week.

We're got as bit of a reprieve as St Johns don't have a reserve team so we are in a position to get a team to go to cherryvale as well as our seniors playing the Johnnies at home, then the minors (most of whom will be playing in either game) have Rossa on the sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 18, 2009, 02:12:10 PM
A few boys In my opinion should be in with a shout next year based on what I have seen this year!


Kalum King (B'Ford) - Big lad who dominates midfield anytime Ive seen him - fitness may be an issue

Colm Kearney (B'Ford) Best forward I have seen this year should be a cert.

Aidan Brannigan (Kilcoo) Tight marker who has had another good year.

Paul Devlin (Kilcoo) Has pushed on from his Minor days as an outstanding talent. Has filled out a bit. Great footballer

Conor Lavery (Kilcoo) In the form of his life. He may be small but ask any defender who has marked him was it easy?

Ryan Mallon (Warrenpoint) Come on massively in past 2 or 3 years. Any man that can clean Ambrose Rodgers out at Midfield should be in!

Ryan Boyle (Warrenpoint) Only for bad injury this year I think he would've stepped up from the u-21. One of the best attacking half backs in the County

Ryan Stranney (L'Island) Big powerful fella who has been impressive for the Island this year.

Mickey Walsh (M'Bridge) Super footballer who pulls all the strings for the Bridge.

I just hope James bases his selection on actual performances as opposed to reputations or what boys "could do" or have done 3 or 4 years ago.
Personally I dont think guys like Colgan should be near it. He's had more chances than most......living on a reputation from Minors & has never put in a Performance Ive seen to suggest otherwise. Too slow & I think theres better Midfielders out there because lets be honest with his lack of pace you cant play him anywere else.

I also disagree with the notion that so many U-21 guys from last year should be on it. Dont get me wrong if they are the best in their position no prob but to many times last year I seen guys who were on the U-21 & Senior panels who wouldnt be in the top 3 or 4 in the County in their position!
Pick the best players based on form thats my view!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 18, 2009, 02:39:11 PM
QuoteNo.1 is your man from ballygalget stayin on next year to manage the hurlers?

Dunno yet.

The managers posts in both codes are reviewed on an annual basis.  I'd say he'd be happy enough to stay on though.  Unless the big job comes up at his own club.   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 18, 2009, 03:03:33 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 18, 2009, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 18, 2009, 09:55:25 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 18, 2009, 08:30:53 AM
The 5 man panel was a joke- the 5 chosen to appoint should have been totally impartial.

1- Devenney- worked with James with the University team
2- Blayney- Borther-in-Law of James
3- Haughian- Can't stand Pete McGrath (How is winning 2 All-Irelands underachieving Emmet?)

So before the interviews even began a majority of the panel were going to vote for James.
As for the CB having to give their stamp of approval that's a nonsense, they were going to agree to whatever decision the panel came to.

As for Pete finding out in the press- that's an absolute disgrace and insult and I wouldn't blame him for turning his back on Down for it.

      Long Ball,you are way out of order here.Paul Blaney note not Blayney is no relation to James Mc Cartan.He has been chair of our Club Bredagh for this past 4 years,a club with 33 teams across 4 codes.Ask anyone about his fairness in dealing with all the issues across these codes and the other situations we face such as no pitch,dealing with Belfast city council and its long tradition of promoting soccer on their facilities,posts being ripped down and burnt in Hydebank playing fields.You are talking through your hat and as for Jack Devaney,he also is a member of Bredagh and while I don't know him to talk to, all that I have heard about would point towards an upstanding capbale Gaa man .Get your facts straight before coming on here with your measly nine posts and trying to blacken people's unpaid work for the Gaa.Ar-ehole.

Well said Square Ball.
My understanding is that Balney and Haughian were nominated onto the selction  panel. Don't know Devaney but I do know Blaney asa single-minded committed Down supporter who would have done what he considered right for the county, and I'm neither a Bredagh or Ballycran man nor related in any way to anyone involved.

As for Pete and the press I am disappointed that he choses to slam the rest of the county baord because of an apparent mutual   dislki kbetween him and one member of the selection panel and a leaked report, again by one person, for which too many ill-informed posters are using to castigate all and sundry.


Nobody has yet told me what the county board did wrong.

We have a new management team - it looks exciting to me and even if it isn't to everybody's liking (no appointment would) it is a big improvement on what we had with the previous incumbents. Time to be positive and get behind them.

By the way I'm told that same selection panel member is not known for his love of the Mccartans!

Up Down.

  And well said back at you.Thanks Leo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 18, 2009, 03:10:14 PM
From our club website:

QuoteThe Joe McCrickard Cup match against Shamrocks due to be payed on Saturday is OFF due to reasons beyond our control.

It leaves us with the ridiculous situation of having no games this weekend, the Hurlers have five league games and a minimum of one championship game remaining. The senior footballers have five league games(3 home, 2 away) and the Reserves have championship and league semi-finals left to play.

Ridiculous situation just about sums it up!  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 18, 2009, 03:15:28 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 18, 2009, 02:39:11 PM
QuoteNo.1 is your man from ballygalget stayin on next year to manage the hurlers?

Dunno yet.

The managers posts in both codes are reviewed on an annual basis.  I'd say he'd be happy enough to stay on though.  Unless the big job comes up at his own club.   ;D

We couldn't afford him No1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on September 18, 2009, 04:51:21 PM
Paul Blaney is first and foremost a Down fan, he has no other agenda and has nothing to gain by being involved in the selection process except hopefully a better Down team.

It's very easy to sit behind the anonimity of a site such as this and slate people with a combination of half truths and innuendo - very cowardly!!

Get off your ar*e and put in half the time Paul Blaney does for Down GAA and then maybe you can comment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 18, 2009, 11:23:24 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 17, 2009, 11:55:37 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 17, 2009, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
1. New Manager's appointment under a big cloud of controversy

What controversy? Wee James is the right man for the job. Unless we were going to appoint a big name, big money outsider then there was no other option.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
2. New Manager's selection decision alledgedly more to do with a selection panel member's less than objective influence

Nonsense, it was a 5 man panel, who were answerable to the CB and in turn to the clubs, if you have an issue with the appointment take it up with your club, who in turn can raise the matter with the CB if they feel you have a case. (Which you don't)

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
3. Ametuer PR irt the announcement/leak

What else would you expect from what is an amateur organisation. Maybe we should appoint a team of PR consultants?? Yes it was wrong, but we all make mistakes, in the grand scheme of things its no big deal.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
4. the bickering amoung genuine Down GAA followers (just read this thread),

I have met very few people who are not in favour of Wee James getting the job. And as for genuine Down supporters on this thread or board for that matter, how many of you go to games on a regular basis? I reckon there are about a half dozen posters on this board who regularly attend county games.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
5. there is no imagination in the actual appointment so expect more the same - we got the wrong man and therefore continued failure,

We are not Kerry or Tyrone, name a big name outsider who would take us on? Micko? Paidi?  Get real. James is the right man for the job at this time and is entitled to our support.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
6. need I go on?

No your argument has already been ripped to shreds.

Touche

Dundrumite, I like you because you make me laugh.  According to you nothing I have said has happened and you say I should "get real"??

Sorr but I can only laugh at you and the lack of veracity of what you seen to believe are conclusive winning counter statements.  Its still only your opinion, and whatever happened to the H in IMHO.
 
Am begining to thinkI may know you. You wouldn't happen by any chance to be very mature current Dumdrum Sen goalie?  The one who thought it was a great act to empty out Enda Gormley's water bottle during a match.  Based on quality of your arguments sounds about your level. 
Bye the way, how high are your expectations for James' achievements in 2010, 2011?       
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 19, 2009, 12:19:57 AM
Guevara, are you serious about your claim that James Colgan has had `more chances than most' at senior level ? Please correct me if I am wrong, but I cannot remember him playing at any stage in a NFL game. He came on in injury time against Donegal in the 2006 SFC without touching the ball, and his only competive match was Armagh in the 2008 semi. He had a difficult start, but settled well, scored a fine point and generally looked like a decent prospect for a number of central positions. Something must have happened behind the scenes as he was immediately dropped and has never subsequently featured. He may or may not make the grade, but it would be harsh to suggest that we have had a reasonable  opportunity to assess his potential. Given his contribution in club, college and under age county competitions, we should at least give him a couple of runs in the new year. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 19, 2009, 02:52:43 AM
How many people moaning about the selection comittee now were up in arms last week when Pete was nailed on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 19, 2009, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 19, 2009, 12:19:57 AM
Guevara, are you serious about your claim that James Colgan has had `more chances than most' at senior level ? Please correct me if I am wrong, but I cannot remember him playing at any stage in a NFL game. He came on in injury time against Donegal in the 2006 SFC without touching the ball, and his only competive match was Armagh in the 2008 semi. He had a difficult start, but settled well, scored a fine point and generally looked like a decent prospect for a number of central positions. Something must have happened behind the scenes as he was immediately dropped and has never subsequently featured. He may or may not make the grade, but it would be harsh to suggest that we have had a reasonable  opportunity to assess his potential. Given his contribution in club, college and under age county competitions, we should at least give him a couple of runs in the new year.

I totally agree Mourne Rover. Colgan is more than good enough and deserves a run off games. If he got the chances players like Jack Lynch, John Boyle, Peter Turley, John Fegan, Colm Murney etc... got im sure he would have took his. Ross was a prat to players like James, John Clarke, Mickey Walsh and Conor Laverty and his dislike off these men cost him as they are better than more than half off last years squad. It was a joke and Ross could never give an explaination for their absence, he just bluffed it off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 19, 2009, 11:39:54 AM
Quotein fairness to Ballycran, they are meant to be putting out a minor team (Ulster league) and a senior and reserve team (antrim league) tomorrow but I can either see the minor game moved to the sunday or they'll not play the reserve game not to mention the Joe McCrickard. I don't think its anything to do with the senior final being on next week.

The minor final was called off on Thursday. The 2 Antrim matches go ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 19, 2009, 12:51:48 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 18, 2009, 02:12:10 PM
A few boys In my opinion should be in with a shout next year based on what I have seen this year!


Kalum King (B'Ford) - Big lad who dominates midfield anytime Ive seen him - fitness may be an issue

Colm Kearney (B'Ford) Best forward I have seen this year should be a cert.

Aidan Brannigan (Kilcoo) Tight marker who has had another good year.

Paul Devlin (Kilcoo) Has pushed on from his Minor days as an outstanding talent. Has filled out a bit. Great footballer

Conor Lavery (Kilcoo) In the form of his life. He may be small but ask any defender who has marked him was it easy?

Ryan Mallon (Warrenpoint) Come on massively in past 2 or 3 years. Any man that can clean Ambrose Rodgers out at Midfield should be in!

Ryan Boyle (Warrenpoint) Only for bad injury this year I think he would've stepped up from the u-21. One of the best attacking half backs in the County

Ryan Stranney (L'Island) Big powerful fella who has been impressive for the Island this year.

Mickey Walsh (M'Bridge) Super footballer who pulls all the strings for the Bridge.

I just hope James bases his selection on actual performances as opposed to reputations or what boys "could do" or have done 3 or 4 years ago.
Personally I dont think guys like Colgan should be near it. He's had more chances than most......living on a reputation from Minors & has never put in a Performance Ive seen to suggest otherwise. Too slow & I think theres better Midfielders out there because lets be honest with his lack of pace you cant play him anywere else.

I also disagree with the notion that so many U-21 guys from last year should be on it. Dont get me wrong if they are the best in their position no prob but to many times last year I seen guys who were on the U-21 & Senior panels who wouldnt be in the top 3 or 4 in the County in their position!
Pick the best players based on form thats my view!!

Couldn't see it. sure his career is ruined. stephen nolan said.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 19, 2009, 02:08:08 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 18, 2009, 11:23:24 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 17, 2009, 11:55:37 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on September 17, 2009, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
1. New Manager's appointment under a big cloud of controversy

What controversy? Wee James is the right man for the job. Unless we were going to appoint a big name, big money outsider then there was no other option.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
2. New Manager's selection decision alledgedly more to do with a selection panel member's less than objective influence

Nonsense, it was a 5 man panel, who were answerable to the CB and in turn to the clubs, if you have an issue with the appointment take it up with your club, who in turn can raise the matter with the CB if they feel you have a case. (Which you don't)

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
3. Ametuer PR irt the announcement/leak

What else would you expect from what is an amateur organisation. Maybe we should appoint a team of PR consultants?? Yes it was wrong, but we all make mistakes, in the grand scheme of things its no big deal.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
4. the bickering amoung genuine Down GAA followers (just read this thread),

I have met very few people who are not in favour of Wee James getting the job. And as for genuine Down supporters on this thread or board for that matter, how many of you go to games on a regular basis? I reckon there are about a half dozen posters on this board who regularly attend county games.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
5. there is no imagination in the actual appointment so expect more the same - we got the wrong man and therefore continued failure,

We are not Kerry or Tyrone, name a big name outsider who would take us on? Micko? Paidi?  Get real. James is the right man for the job at this time and is entitled to our support.

Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 17, 2009, 09:50:15 PM
6. need I go on?

No your argument has already been ripped to shreds.

Touche

Dundrumite, I like you because you make me laugh.  According to you nothing I have said has happened and you say I should "get real"??

Sorr but I can only laugh at you and the lack of veracity of what you seen to believe are conclusive winning counter statements.  Its still only your opinion, and whatever happened to the H in IMHO.
 
Am begining to thinkI may know you. You wouldn't happen by any chance to be very mature current Dumdrum Sen goalie?  The one who thought it was a great act to empty out Enda Gormley's water bottle during a match.  Based on quality of your arguments sounds about your level. 
Bye the way, how high are your expectations for James' achievements in 2010, 2011?       

Firstly, I am flattered you like me, I like you as well  ;)

Secondly, I didn't feel the need to further contribute to Cuig Huaire's argument as I felt he answered all your points to my satisfaction and I agreed with them hence the touche. I'll give you it was lacking the "H" and I apologise for coming across as smug. The negativity towards both Ross and James( before the man has being at the helm for a game) is something that gets on my goat as does hear say which you base your second point on and thats why I felt the need to back the above poster's post.

Thirdly, I am not the current "very mature Dundrum Senior keeper". I see your Getting personal with " thats about my level," but thats your "humble" opinion.

Fourthly, based on what he did with an average Queens team, including three consecutive sigerson finals and getting the upper hand of a star stubbed ploy team (in tight finishes which is a trait that wouldn't go a miss with this Down team) I would be optimistic. By optimistic, I mean maximising the potential of this current crop of players, perhaps with a favourable draw an Ulster championship or an All-Ireland semi final. Granted he didn't deliver the big goods with Burren or Ballinderry, though I like to have my glass half full.

By the Who (thats available) would you personally like to see in the hot seat?   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 19, 2009, 03:24:51 PM
Tullylish bt bredagh by a point. That's it for bredagh for the year I think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 19, 2009, 04:09:42 PM
Bad day for Bredagh....

Kilcoo have the first part of a treble in the championship, the beat Bredagh in the U 16 East Down championship by 3.  :(

I wish them all the best for the all county final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 19, 2009, 04:21:22 PM
Kilcoo 2-10 Bredagh 1-10. Very tight u16 ED final, which could have gone either way. Daithi O'Hanlon and Kevin Dornan had a great battle at midfield, with nothing between them. Kilcoo got their goals at the right time, although the ref missed a blatant foul during the build-up to the second one, and were 8 up going into the final quarter. Bredagh then took over and should probably have at least had a draw. However, Kilcoo are a fine side, and the all county treble, u16 minor and senior, is very much on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 19, 2009, 04:30:04 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 19, 2009, 04:09:42 PM
Bad day for Bredagh....

Kilcoo have the first part of a treble in the championship, the beat Bredagh in the U 16 East Down championship by 3.  :(

I wish them all the best for the all county final

Cheers square ball. Two very even sides today in Saul and our goals in the second half proved decisive. Hope this Bredagh team keeps at it, they have a bright future. Hopefully now after the ladies and under 16s today our winning streak continues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 19, 2009, 05:10:17 PM
3 Down teams in kilmacud semi finals, longstone, Clonduff and Castlewellan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 19, 2009, 05:12:03 PM
Good day for Down teams in Kilmacud.
Castlewellan beat St Gall's and Glenullin to get to the semi-finals but the Stone beat them there.
Clonduff beat Crossmaglen in the other semi to set up an all Down decider- again!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 19, 2009, 05:42:45 PM
Glenn 2-14
st pauls 0-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 19, 2009, 06:40:32 PM
Division 2 Result tonight

Darragh Cross 3-4  0-12 Attical
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 19, 2009, 06:54:35 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 19, 2009, 02:08:08 PM
[y the Who (thats available) would you personally like to see in the hot seat?

We thats grand then, were mates so.
 
Myself I'm a big fan of Wee James, both as the stellar player he was and a gr8 Down ambassador showing the winning kind of cockiness I like. 
My view on his recent appointment is not anti-James McCartan
(a selection of several other individuals would represent the same to me) but anti, what I see as, the lack of imagination in it. The appointment represents the continuation of an approach that has failed us the past decade.  I do not see Pete as the panecea but at least he represents a slightly different (in-Co Approach) option and is a man who knows how to take ove a weak setup and deliver success.

I really believe that the Co needs a radical new approach if we are to claw our way out of the league of aslo rans. My own view is that we need to a) have a serious look at our systems of identifing and bringing through suitable young prospects from about U16 onwards and b) I favour going outside of the Co ifor the top job to see what a fresh approach would do.  It is only however, mvho.  Bye the by, were Dundrum playing today?
 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 19, 2009, 07:02:58 PM
Naw we had no game. Heard Drumgath beat Ardglass and on top of the Bredagh result would think thats the third spot pretty much Drumgaths now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 19, 2009, 07:39:09 PM
Why does In the Onion Bag always post when he's been on the sauce? Has he nothing to say when sober?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on September 19, 2009, 07:39:44 PM
DIV3 RESULT

Ardglass  0-12
Drumgath 1-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 19, 2009, 08:37:55 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 19, 2009, 07:39:09 PM
Why does In the Onion Bag always post when he's been on the sauce? Has he nothing to say when sober?

At 6.50 odd on a saturday evening, lucky man  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 19, 2009, 10:08:50 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 19, 2009, 08:37:55 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 19, 2009, 07:39:09 PM
Why does In the Onion Bag always post when he's been on the sauce? Has he nothing to say when sober?

At 6.50 odd on a saturday evening, lucky man  ;D

Plus having been working last night till 10:30, in again at 8:15 am to 4pm today. 
Bacon, zero alcohol on this occassion but usually you would be correct.  Anyway, I though that was the norm on this board.  Am I wrong here?  Perhaps your a godfearingTT?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on September 20, 2009, 09:31:07 AM
Good win for Drumgath on Saturday a further report will follow ,have to go to work
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on September 20, 2009, 08:23:00 PM
any league fixtures for nextSat/Sun?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 20, 2009, 10:02:39 PM
O Neills Down SFL Division 1

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment

Saval  Clonduff  Saval 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Longstone  Rostrevor  Longstone 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Mayobridge  Burren  Mayobridge 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Loughinisland  Castlewellan  Loughinisland 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Liatroim  Kilcoo  Liatroim 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Warrenpoint  Bryansford  Warrenpoint 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 


O Neills Down SFL Division 2

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment

Shamrocks  Darragh Cross  Shamrocks 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Downpatrick  Carryduff  Downpatrick 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Ballyholland  Atticall  Ballyholland 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Kilclief  Clann na Banna  Kilclief 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
An Riocht  Annaclone  An Riocht 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Glasdrumman  Ballymartin  Glasdrumman 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 


O Neills Down SFL Division 3

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment

Ardglass  Dundrum  Ardglass 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Drumaness  Glenn  Drumaness 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
St Johns  St Pauls  St Johns 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Teconnaught  Saul  Teconnaught 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Drumgath  Aghaderg  Drumgath 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 


O Neills Down SFL Division 4

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment

St Michaels  Mitchels  Tullylish 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Semi Final 


ACPRL Division 1

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment

Rostrevor  An Riocht  Rostrevor 27/09/2009 13:00 TBC   
Mayobridge  Burren  Mayobridge 27/09/2009 13:00 TBC   
Bryansford  Castlewellan  Bryansford 27/09/2009 13:00 TBC   
Ballymartin  Kilcoo  Ballymartin 27/09/2009 13:00 TBC   
Clonduff  Liatroim  Clonduff 27/09/2009 13:00 TBC   


Reserve Football Championship

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment

Kilcoo  Kilclief  Ballykinlar 27/09/2009 14:30 TBC   
Burren  Castlewellan  Clonduff 27/09/2009 14:30 TBC   


Down Democrat Senior Hurling Championship

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment

Ballycran  Ballygalget  Downpatrick 27/09/2009 15:30 Ned Morgan   




 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFan2010 on September 21, 2009, 11:47:56 AM
Quote from: passedit on September 19, 2009, 03:24:51 PM
Tullylish bt bredagh by a point. That's it for bredagh for the year I think

Yeah Think thats it for them alright with Drumgath winning also, they ran Tullylish close I heard but think Quinn and McAreavey turned on the syle in the last 10 to get them over the line, McAreavey scored a monster free kick from about 60 yards, outside of the boot to level, then he set up Quinn for the winner.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 21, 2009, 01:31:57 PM
As a non-ards Hurling fan i am glad to see the SHC final in Downpatrick.Should get a bigger crowd as more neutrals from over here will go.It shouldnt impact on Ards fans as they should follow their teams anywhere at this stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 21, 2009, 02:06:22 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 21, 2009, 01:31:57 PM
As a non-ards Hurling fan i am glad to see the SHC final in Downpatrick.Should get a bigger crowd as more neutrals from over here will go.It shouldnt impact on Ards fans as they should follow their teams anywhere at this stage.

I'd love to see this 'bigger crowd' theory as it hasn't bourne out the last few times the final has been played in either Downpatrick or Newcastle. There has certainly been bigger crowds in Ballycran and Portaferry the last two years. Hopefully you'll be right this year bitta-banter.

I quite like Downpatrick as a venue with it natural banking and the surface is usually fine so i don't think its moving from Portaferry will impact either team that much other than the hassle of the boat, but I'm sure the highwayman will make a few bob along the way.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 21, 2009, 02:33:27 PM
Pity the reserve champinship semi finals are being played at the same time.  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on September 21, 2009, 03:06:28 PM
Drumgath started this game off well by racing into a good lead with some good scores and a pile driver from M.Quinn for the goal.But Drumgath knew that Ardglass would come back at them with what we will just call some heavy tackling  ::).,and good balls into M.Magee who was putting away some chances but S.Parsons was slowly but surly coming to terms with the county man denying him on a number of occasions .Ardglass started off the second half stronger,and Drumgath were on the back foot with some dodgy ref decisions,but it was time for the Drumgath men to stand up and stand up they did with the fight being led in the middle of the field by Jack Lynch,who continued to catch some good ball in the middle off the field and burst through and was time and time again to be hacked down,at one stage his jersey was pull right over the top of his head and the ref going to his book only when Ardglass gave him bad manners no word of booking any off their players for countless persistant bad tackling ,well we did persued him when an Ardglass player hauled down R.Hillen the two of them fell and then when the Ardglass player got back up, he got back up he walked right across his back,if your reading this ref that is a straight red.

S.Parsons now had the better of Magee and their game plan was all but over,but Drumgath had to be on their toes as the Ardglass forwards were making a few good runs through with the result being a few scores.The Drumgath defence tighten up and with B.strain,N.Fitzpatrick,B.Hynes,S.Parsons,C.Hynes all doing well in the Drumgath back line and with J.Lynch now catching everything in the middle of the field Drumgath were weathering the Ardglass storm.It was now that Drumgath needed scores and they were few and far between ,Jack Lynch sent a good ball into the Drumgath forwards and like so many times before E.McConville was brought to ground and the resultant free was taken by McConville who sent over the free to keep Drumgath in touch ,the sides were now level and this match could have gone any way.From a kickout a long ball was sent down the field an Ardglass man was fouled round their 45 a quick free was sent in and the forward was judged to have been pulled back a penalty was awarded,but as ever the safe hands of Bernard Connell came to the rescue of Drumgath with a fantastic save and the Drumgath backs carried the rebound out and up the field to M.Connelly who played solidly through out he was fouled and from about 35 meters out and 10 meters from the side line Mark scored a fantastic free kick from the ground(county standard),this proved to be the winning score to keep Drumgath's intrest in the run in for the third division alive
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 21, 2009, 03:33:48 PM
Well worth waiting for Jack.

:D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 21, 2009, 06:04:22 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 21, 2009, 03:33:48 PM
Well worth waiting for Jack.

:D
Lynch ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on September 21, 2009, 07:46:35 PM
Quote from: wobbller on September 21, 2009, 06:04:22 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 21, 2009, 03:33:48 PM
Well worth waiting for Jack.

:D
Lynch ;D
Well he wouldn't stand idly by ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leg End on September 21, 2009, 11:47:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 20, 2009, 10:02:39 PM

O Neills Down SFL Division 2

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment

Shamrocks  Darragh Cross Shamrocks 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Downpatrick  Carryduff  Downpatrick 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Ballyholland  Atticall  Ballyholland 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Kilclief  Clann na Banna  Kilclief 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
An Riocht  Annaclone  An Riocht 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Glasdrumman  Ballymartin  Glasdrumman 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 


O Neills Down SFL Division 3

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment

Ardglass  Dundrum  Ardglass 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Drumaness  Glenn  Drumaness 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
St Johns  St Pauls  St Johns 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Teconnaught  Saul  Teconnaught 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Drumgath  Aghaderg  Drumgath 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 







thought the intermediate final was this weekend??? no??
Title: Directions to Mayobridge from Belfast
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 22, 2009, 12:00:20 AM
Help please.
Our minors play the Bridge this weekend.  Advice please on best route from Belfast?  Is it Banbridge to Rathfriland to Maybridge or should we go via Hiltown? What way would Bridge locals go?
Title: Re: Directions to Mayobridge from Belfast
Post by: T O Hare on September 22, 2009, 01:02:55 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 22, 2009, 12:00:20 AM
Help please.
Our minors play the Bridge this weekend.  Advice please on best route from Belfast?  Is it Banbridge to Rathfriland to Maybridge or should we go via Hiltown? What way would Bridge locals go?

Drive to Newry until you come to the courthouse.. turn left onto the road where the Brass monkey is situated!! Drive five miles to the city of Mayobridge.. At the second mini roundabout turn left onto the old road.. you will see our pitch from here!!!!
Title: Re: Directions to Mayobridge from Belfast
Post by: wobbller on September 22, 2009, 09:01:45 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 22, 2009, 12:00:20 AM
Help please.
Our minors play the Bridge this weekend.  Advice please on best route from Belfast?  Is it Banbridge to Rathfriland to Maybridge or should we go via Hiltown? What way would Bridge locals go?

   So the man with a Doctorate in the East v South Down imbalance doesn't even know how to get to Mayobridge.It says it all really when s/he doesn't even know where the County's best team this past ten years is situated.No and you don't need a Visa for travel in South Down but you will need a map or SatNav--do those things exist in the State of East Down?
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 22, 2009, 09:23:02 AM
Quote from: Leg End on September 21, 2009, 11:47:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 20, 2009, 10:02:39 PM

O Neills Down SFL Division 2

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment

Shamrocks  Darragh Cross Shamrocks 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Downpatrick  Carryduff  Downpatrick 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Ballyholland  Atticall  Ballyholland 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Kilclief  Clann na Banna  Kilclief 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
An Riocht  Annaclone  An Riocht 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Glasdrumman  Ballymartin  Glasdrumman 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 


O Neills Down SFL Division 3

Team 1 Team 2 Venue Date Time Referee Comment

Ardglass  Dundrum  Ardglass 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Drumaness  Glenn  Drumaness 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
St Johns  St Pauls  St Johns 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Teconnaught  Saul  Teconnaught 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 
Drumgath  Aghaderg  Drumgath 26/09/2009 16:00 TBC Round 20 







thought the intermediate final was this weekend??? no??

I think it's been put back to 11th October (not sure about the date).  Something to do with Round a Pound not wanting the Junior and Intermediate on the same date.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: YogiBear on September 22, 2009, 09:56:00 AM
Intermediate and Junior will both be played on the 11th of October which was the date originally set by county board.  I'm sure Around a pound have no objection to the finals on the same day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on September 22, 2009, 12:19:46 PM
Anyone know when the premier reserve championship games are being played?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 22, 2009, 12:51:32 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on September 22, 2009, 12:19:46 PM
Anyone know when the premier reserve championship games are being played?

next sat i think!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 22, 2009, 05:45:15 PM
Things are a bit sloew on the board at present so here's a little diversion to think about.
Select  your strongest county team with all 15 players coming from different clubs.

How about:

B McVeigh (An Riocht)
M Cole (Rostrevor)
G McArdle (Annaclone)
A Brannigan (Kilcoo)

P Murphy (Ballyholland)
A O'Prey (Liatroim)
K Duffin (Castlewellan)
L Sloan (Attical)
K King (Bryansford)
B Coulter (Mayobridge)
A Rodgers (Longstone)
J Brown (Clonduff)
J Mc Govern (Burren)
D Gordon (Lisland)
D Hughes (Saval)

Title: Re: Directions to Mayobridge from Belfast
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 22, 2009, 08:21:04 PM
Quote from: wobbller on September 22, 2009, 09:01:45 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 22, 2009, 12:00:20 AM
Help please.
Our minors play the Bridge this weekend.  Advice please on best route from Belfast?  Is it Banbridge to Rathfriland to Maybridge or should we go via Hiltown? What way would Bridge locals go?

   So the man with a Doctorate in the East v South Down imbalance doesn't even know how to get to Mayobridge.It says it all really when s/he doesn't even know where the County's best team this past ten years is situated.No and you don't need a Visa for travel in South Down but you will need a map or SatNav--do those things exist in the State of East Down?
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man/woman.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on September 22, 2009, 09:45:32 PM
similiar teams only mcveigh must be sacraficed to have " clarke  " on the team and the J could quite easily be changed to M if the wee brother was to touch down in the near future.

1 Micky McAllister (Clan na Banna)
2 P O McConville (Clonduff)
3 G McArdle (Annaclone)
4 J Farrell (Rostrevor)
5 L Doyle (Liatriom)
6 K Duffin (Castlewellan)
7 L Sloan (Attical)
8 K King (Bryansford)
9 D Gordon (Loughinisland)
10 R Murtagh (Ballyholland)
11 B Coulter (Mayobridge)
12 D Hughes (Saval)
13 C Laverty (Kilcoo)
14 J Clarke (An Riocht)
15 J McGovern (Burren)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on September 23, 2009, 09:12:40 AM
1. M McCallister (Clann na Banna)
2. A Brannigan (Kilcoo)
3. M Cole (Rostrevor)
4. C McGovern (Burren)
5. L Sloan (Attical)
6. L Doyle (Liatroim)
7. D Rafferty (Shamrocks)
8. Kalum King (Bryansford)
9. D Gordon (Loughinisland)
10. A Carr (Clonduff)
11. B Coulter (Mayobridge)
12. D Hughes (Saval)
13. J/M Clarke (An Riocht)
14. P Fitzpatrick (Ballymartin)
15. R Murtagh (Ballyholland)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 23, 2009, 09:23:01 AM
1 M McAllister (C Na Ba)
2 D Rafferty (shamrocks)
3 M Cole (Rostrevor)
4 K Duffin (castlewellen)
5 T Hanna (bryansford)
6 K McKernan (Burren)
7 A Carr (Clonduff)
8 D Gordan (Loughinisland)
9 A Rodgers (Longstone)
10 J Boyle (Warrenpoint)
11 B Coulter (Mayobridge)
12 D Hughes (Saval)
13 J Clarke (An Rioct)
14 R Murtagh (Ballyholland)
15 C Laverty (Kilcoo)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFan2010 on September 23, 2009, 01:20:06 PM
1 M McAllister (C Na Ba)
2 D Rafferty (shamrocks)
3 M Cole (Rostrevor)
4 L Howard(Bryansford)
5 L Doyle (Liatrom)
6 K McKernan (Burren)
7 A Carr (Clonduff)
8 D Gordan (Loughinisland)
9 A Rodgers (Longstone)
10 J Boyle (Warrenpoint)
11 B Coulter (Mayobridge)
12 J McAreavey (Tullylish)
13 J Clarke (An Rioct)
14 R Murtagh (Ballyholland)
15 D Hughes (Saval)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on September 23, 2009, 01:33:48 PM
Yesterdays Irish News (back page)


'If I was approached, I would give the offer serious consideration. If Armagh were interested in me, I would certainly think about it,' he told the Irish News.

McGrath was surprisingly not considered for a return to management with Down after Ross Carr left the post, and he admitted that it's a decision that still rankles with him.


When asked if the pain had started to ease, he replied: 'It hasn't really. I think it is one of those things that is going to linger.

'In saying that, I have got to move on. I can't allow my life to be overwhelmed by something that was devastating and very hurtful. It is still very much there and I just wouldn't be on top of the world at the moment.

'But it's up to me to make sure that it doesn't take a grip. No-one should allow that to happen because it would all sorts of inroads into you health and well-being.'

This claptrap from broken winged Pete really does my head in. Why doesnt he just move on instead of this whinging to the Irish News and to anyone elase who will listen?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 23, 2009, 04:09:20 PM
(http://www.dundrum-clg.com/dbimages/br_20090917103319.jpg)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on September 23, 2009, 05:01:38 PM
i agree that pete should move on,the emphasis should now be on wee james and his management team as they begin their reign with all down supporters behind them-UP DOWN 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 23, 2009, 05:08:19 PM
Quote from: 13aside on September 23, 2009, 05:01:38 PM
i agree that pete should move on,the emphasis should now be on wee james and his management team as they begin their reign with all down supporters behind them-UP DOWN
Well said.
Unfortunately Pete is setting himself up for an even more embarrassing rejection by Armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on September 23, 2009, 06:02:06 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 23, 2009, 04:09:20 PM
(http://www.dundrum-clg.com/dbimages/br_20090917103319.jpg)

Are all the pigs in the race ex girlfriends of CV ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on September 23, 2009, 06:23:35 PM
What if Pete does get the Armagh job and does a great job rebuilding them? will there be egg on some faces!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on September 23, 2009, 08:41:01 PM
you're talkin' like a ha'penney book!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 23, 2009, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: 13aside on September 23, 2009, 08:41:01 PM
you're talkin' like a ha'penney book!!

What does that mean in English (or Irish)?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 23, 2009, 09:37:36 PM
Ta. I thought that he was.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 23, 2009, 10:37:35 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on September 23, 2009, 06:02:06 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 23, 2009, 04:09:20 PM
(http://www.dundrum-clg.com/dbimages/br_20090917103319.jpg)

Are all the pigs in the race ex girlfriends of CV ;D

Naw theres 6 pigs racing, he hasn't had that many girlfriends  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: county colours on September 24, 2009, 09:10:17 AM

 
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/magpies-marty-clarke-heads-home-to-ireland/story-e6frf8w6-1225779189364




BREAKING NEWS: MARTY Clarke has walked out on the Magpies, citing homesickness and a "burning" desire to be a teacher.

The Irish-born onballer has spent three years at the Lexus Centre, but he said he missed his family too much, and so was leaving immediately to return to his homeland.

"My decision to return home was not an easy one. But I simply miss my home and the people close to me too much," Clarke said in a statement on the club's website.

"I also have a burning desire to be a teacher and I want to start that stage of my life as soon as possible."

After a stunning first year in the league, Clarke has struggled to cement his place in the side and said today his homesickness had affected his play.

"The latter stages of this year were forgettable ones on a football level. I suppose the uncertainty in my mind didn't help," he said.

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Clarke, who was a star in underage Gaelic football, said he looked forward to returning to his native game.

"I am also looking forward to playing Gaelic football again. I strongly believe my best moments of my sporting life are ahead of me and at this stage and I want to show them on the GAA stage," he said.

Clarke, who turns 22 in November, played 46 games with the Magpies.



He made his AFL debut in round 12, 2007 against Sydney after being temporarily elevated to the senior list due to a long-term injury, and earned a permanent spot on the senior list for the 2008 and 2009 seasons.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 24, 2009, 09:31:58 AM
Brilliant news.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Overthebar! on September 24, 2009, 09:33:42 AM
wonder what odds you would get on down for ulster this year? could be worth a punt!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 24, 2009, 09:43:16 AM
Prayers answered! Good news for An Riocht as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on September 24, 2009, 10:31:08 AM
Good news ,good for the county but a few people on hear had said this was going to happen! does anyone know what went wrong?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on September 24, 2009, 10:33:44 AM
An Riocht are now a racing certainty for winning Div II and playing in Div I next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on September 24, 2009, 10:43:44 AM
Quote from: Overthebar! on September 24, 2009, 09:33:42 AM
wonder what odds you would get on down for ulster this year? could be worth a punt!
great player to watch but alot of people will have their tinted glasses on here.  the transformation from minor to senior is a difficult one to make for any player(colgan would be a prime example) and it will be unfair to expect 1 player to turn a team of also ranms in ulster into a winning team. 
marty will def make a difference to down and good luck to him, but it wasnt so long ago since the longford defeat and down will need to sort their defence out before there is talk of winning prizes again. 
him and coulter in full flight be good to watch though. 
wonder will john be on the team this year 2??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 24, 2009, 11:28:07 AM
Quoteminor to senior is a difficult one to make for any player
He's not going from Minor to Senior. He's going from 3 years of professional AFL conditioning to County football.

I'd be looking at building the team around him at centre half-back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 24, 2009, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: Leo on September 23, 2009, 05:08:19 PM
Quote from: 13aside on September 23, 2009, 05:01:38 PM
i agree that pete should move on,the emphasis should now be on wee james and his management team as they begin their reign with all down supporters behind them-UP DOWN
Well said.
Unfortunately Pete is setting himself up for an even more embarrassing rejection by Armagh.

What about Bryansford? - he stated his intentions is to do another year as he took the job for two years initially.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on September 24, 2009, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 24, 2009, 11:28:07 AM
Quoteminor to senior is a difficult one to make for any player
He's not going from Minor to Senior. He's going from 3 years of professional AFL conditioning to County football.

I'd be looking at building the team around him at centre half-back.

seriously wobbler, i would have thought he would be made for chf, one of 2 thing imo would happen if played in chb, either a gaping hole in the defence with him roaming forward or a waste of his attacking ability?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 24, 2009, 12:12:11 PM
Great news for Down things are really looking up with an exciting new management team in place and todays news is the icing on the cake.

Working our where to play Marty Clarke is a nice delima to be faced with but I would have thought somewhere in the forwards would have been his best position. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on September 24, 2009, 12:14:48 PM
Either centre half forward or centre half back, but its a nice dilemma to have. I`d say Wee James is smiling today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 24, 2009, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 24, 2009, 11:28:07 AM
Quoteminor to senior is a difficult one to make for any player
He's not going from Minor to Senior. He's going from 3 years of professional AFL conditioning to County football.

I'd be looking at building the team around him at centre half-back.

To play Clarke in any other position than centre half forward would be ludicrous. He is one of the most natural flair playmakers Ive ever witnessed. His direct running approach and long distance shooting capabilities would be wasted in the half back line.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on September 24, 2009, 12:18:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 24, 2009, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 24, 2009, 11:28:07 AM
Quoteminor to senior is a difficult one to make for any player
He's not going from Minor to Senior. He's going from 3 years of professional AFL conditioning to County football.

I'd be looking at building the team around him at centre half-back.

To play Clarke in any other position than centre half forward would be ludicrous. He is one of the most natural flair playmakers Ive ever witnessed. His direct running approach and long distance shooting capabilities would be wasted in the half back line.

Not necessarily, he has played in defence for Collingwood and we arent exactly awash with defenders. Himself, Liam Doyle and Kevin Duffin would make a hell of a half back line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 24, 2009, 12:21:30 PM
LF, centre-forward was definitely his natural position and probably is still his best spot.

But to my untrained eye, midfield in Aussie Rules seems more like a defensive role - with positional play and stopping more important than passing and movement – and if he has picked up these key skills, to augment his passing and athleticism, he could be an absolute phenomenon at centre-back in Gaelic Football. 

I'd also have high hopes that Conor Maginn might fulfil his promise at centre three-quarters as he fills out over the next couple of years. It would be a lovely prospect to have those two footballing brains in the engine room for Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saffron sam2 on September 24, 2009, 12:30:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 24, 2009, 12:21:30 PM
LF, centre-forward was definitely his natural position and probably is still his best spot.

But to my untrained eye, midfield in Aussie Rules seems more like a defensive role - with positional play and stopping more important than passing and movement – and if he has picked up these key skills, to augment his passing and athleticism, he could be an absolute phenomenon at centre-back in Gaelic Football.  

I'd also have high hopes that Conor Maginn might fulfil his promise at centre three-quarters as he fills out over the next couple of years. It would be a lovely prospect to have those two footballing brains in the engine room for Down.

Interesting, but is chb the pivotal position that it was in the era of Downey / Breen etc? Look at stand out chb at the minute (Canty) and how he totally nullified in the All-Ireland final.  Look also at Tyrone who won the AI in 2008 without a traditional centre-half back. The threat he offers could be neutralised more easily from chb than chf.

Just give him a jersey and tell him to do what he wants.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 24, 2009, 12:38:27 PM
But at the same time SS2, look at how much influence Canty had on the AI semi-final this year! Or look at the destruction Ryan McMenamin has caused from CHB when he plays that role without too much defensive duties. It's not that long ago either since Geezer was Armagh's quarterback from no.6.

Having a playmaker at CHB means somebody - wing-forwards, defensive midfielder, 3rd midfielder - has to be available to pick up the defensive slack that allows him to roam. It's not something that the traditional football minds of Carr or O'Rourke would really have set a team out to do, but you never know under wee James.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 24, 2009, 01:03:22 PM
At last there is a bit of positive discussion and a feeling of going forwards on the Down thread!!


Great to see marty home. Just hope everyone gives him (and wee james) time and doesn't expect miracles overnight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on September 24, 2009, 01:17:06 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on September 24, 2009, 01:03:22 PM
At last there is a bit of positive discussion and a feeling of going forwards on the Down thread!!


Great to see marty home. Just hope everyone gives him (and wee james) time and doesn't expect miracles overnight.

good post
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 24, 2009, 01:29:14 PM
marty clarke comes home on guinness day. life is good
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saffron sam2 on September 24, 2009, 01:52:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 24, 2009, 12:38:27 PM
But at the same time SS2, look at how much influence Canty had on the AI semi-final this year! Or look at the destruction Ryan McMenamin has caused from CHB when he plays that role without too much defensive duties. It's not that long ago either since Geezer was Armagh's quarterback from no.6.

Having a playmaker at CHB means somebody - wing-forwards, defensive midfielder, 3rd midfielder - has to be available to pick up the defensive slack that allows him to roam. It's not something that the traditional football minds of Carr or O'Rourke would really have set a team out to do, but you never know under wee James.

And that's exactly why he didn't have the same influence in the final, nor will he have the same influence again against any team with a manager who possesses reasonable tactical nous or an athlete like Tadhg Kennelly. I also think that Clarke isn't the same type of footballer as any of those we've mentioned as an example, so it's maybe hard to speak with certainity as to how he would perform at chb.

I used to be of the opinion that you should build your team round your chb, now I'm not so sure. I just feel that it's easier to negate a defender than a forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 24, 2009, 01:59:15 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 24, 2009, 12:30:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 24, 2009, 12:21:30 PM
LF, centre-forward was definitely his natural position and probably is still his best spot.

But to my untrained eye, midfield in Aussie Rules seems more like a defensive role - with positional play and stopping more important than passing and movement – and if he has picked up these key skills, to augment his passing and athleticism, he could be an absolute phenomenon at centre-back in Gaelic Football.  

I'd also have high hopes that Conor Maginn might fulfil his promise at centre three-quarters as he fills out over the next couple of years. It would be a lovely prospect to have those two footballing brains in the engine room for Down.

Interesting, but is chb the pivotal position that it was in the era of Downey / Breen etc? Look at stand out chb at the minute (Canty) and how he totally nullified in the All-Ireland final.  Look also at Tyrone who won the AI in 2008 without a traditional centre-half back. The threat he offers could be neutralised more easily from chb than chf.

Just give him a jersey and tell him to do what he wants.

Two words....Mike McCarthy....



I thought he was outstanding for Kerry this year in that position....driving forward at every opportunity....total ball control and feeding the Gooch, Sullivan etc with precision passes....I can see it now.....Clarke at CHB..feeding McComiskey, Coulter et al.....with McMahon and McMenamin chasing shadows ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on September 24, 2009, 02:19:17 PM
Great news for the county, an riocht in with a real shout for Div 2

big decison for him to make tho
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saffron sam2 on September 24, 2009, 02:29:29 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 24, 2009, 01:59:15 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 24, 2009, 12:30:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 24, 2009, 12:21:30 PM
LF, centre-forward was definitely his natural position and probably is still his best spot.

But to my untrained eye, midfield in Aussie Rules seems more like a defensive role - with positional play and stopping more important than passing and movement – and if he has picked up these key skills, to augment his passing and athleticism, he could be an absolute phenomenon at centre-back in Gaelic Football.  

I'd also have high hopes that Conor Maginn might fulfil his promise at centre three-quarters as he fills out over the next couple of years. It would be a lovely prospect to have those two footballing brains in the engine room for Down.

Interesting, but is chb the pivotal position that it was in the era of Downey / Breen etc? Look at stand out chb at the minute (Canty) and how he totally nullified in the All-Ireland final.  Look also at Tyrone who won the AI in 2008 without a traditional centre-half back. The threat he offers could be neutralised more easily from chb than chf.

Just give him a jersey and tell him to do what he wants.

Two words....Mike McCarthy....



I thought he was outstanding for Kerry this year in that position....driving forward at every opportunity....total ball control and feeding the Gooch, Sullivan etc with precision passes....I can see it now.....Clarke at CHB..feeding McComiskey, Coulter et al.....with McMahon and McMenamin chasing shadows ;)

Yes, but McCarthy was very much a last resort there and it was only in the Antrim game that his powers really came to the fore. Kerry certainly didn't set out to build the team round him. Besides, if you were playing against Kerry there are other more prominent targets for you to focus on (the two O Ses at the back for starters) and McCarthy slipped under the radar a bit. No chance of that happening with Down.

Down should (and probably will) build their team round Clarke. He will be feeding McComiskey, Coulter et al.; it's just where is best to play him to ensure that he gets the maximum amount of possession in the best possible areas.

An excellent quandry to be in though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on September 24, 2009, 03:14:14 PM
Time will tell if its to be chb or chf but I trust the managerial team will make the correct decision after watching him with An Rioch and having a yarn with him. How many games do they have left?

Welcome home Marty!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 24, 2009, 03:18:01 PM
QuoteAnd that's exactly why he didn't have the same influence in the final, nor will he have the same influence again against any team with a manager who possesses reasonable tactical nous or an athlete like Tadhg Kennelly
Quote
That's a tad harsh on Mickey Harte
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saffron sam2 on September 24, 2009, 03:23:17 PM
In fairness, Mickey had a bit of a shocker that day and you can be guaranteed that he will have things rectified for the next game against Cork.

I know it's ifs and buts, but there's a hell of a difference between Sean Cavanagh at chf and Tommy McGuigan.

Besides, chb or chf is a moot point I believe. Clarke will be one of the fourteen men McCartan routinely plays behind the ball.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 24, 2009, 04:13:38 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 16, 2009, 04:42:30 PM
Just regarding your suggestions Supersub:

1 M McAllister - Should be Down's numero uno between the sticks in a couple of years
2 A Brannigan - 2009 club SFC performances have proven that he can mix it at the highest standard. Needs inter county game time to see his true worth.
3 G McArdle - Lacks pace. Strong player though but will never be good enough to nail down a regular starting slot.
4 J Doran - Tried and tested. Failed.
5 S Parr - Unproven. Maybe lacking a bit of physicality but well worth a shot.
6 L Doyle - Injury free, he is a cert.
7 G McCartan - Another that deserves a chance.
8 J Colgan - Lacks the speed and pace to compete at Senior Intercounty level. Overated.
9 K King - Should make the 2010 squad. An old school ball winning, catch and kick midfielder.
10 M Walsh - A playmaker who has a lot of experience. Deserves another chance.
11 M Clarke - The icing on the cake. Keep saying our prayers.
12 J McGovern - Is he any better than what we already have in our attacking ranks?
13 J Clarke - A nailed on cert who will have a big year in 2010
14 J Brown - Forget about it. Cant even secure a starting berth with Clonduff.
15 C Laverty - Balls, intelligence and a never say die attitude. Size doesn'tmatter. Get him in there.

Just in terms of what Ive seen in Division 3 this year. Gareth Johnson (Tullylish), Mark Connolly (Drumgath), Kevin Anderson (Aghaderg) and Michael Magee (Ardglass) definitely wouldn't look out of place in a trial game.

Wasn't too far wrong was I ;)

Great to have him back - but one player isn't going to turn things around, as people pointed out the back line needs sorted and experience like J Clarke and M Walsh need to be added to the mix as well as the new blood!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on September 24, 2009, 04:26:47 PM
Since Marty Clarke is definitely on his way home this is the Down team i would like to see line out come championship time:

1) Brendan McVeigh
2) Luke Howard
3) Peter Turley
4) Martin Cole
5) Paul Murphy
6) Liam Doyle
7) Kevin Duffin
8 ) Dan Gordon
9) Stephen Kearney
10) Michael Walsh
11) Martin Clarke
12) Benny Coulter
13) John Clarke
14) Peter Fitzpatrick
15) Paul Mc Cumiskey

This is a fantastic team with great potential. Hopefully wee james can do the job with these lads and with the likes of murtagh, sexton, mckernan, laverty (hopefully) on the bench he has a few handy subs to throw in

lets see everyone elses teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on September 24, 2009, 04:46:19 PM
1. Brendan McVeigh
2. Aidan Brannigan
3. C Garvey
4. L Howard (currently injured)
5. P Murphy
6. L Doyle (providing he is fit - here's hoping)
7. D Rafferty
8. Dan Gordon
9. Peter Fitzpatrick
10. A. Carr
11. M Clarke
12. B Coulter
13. C Laverty
14. J Clarke
15. P McComiskey

No great height in full forward line but plenty of pace with Laverty and McComiskey. Where is McKernans best position?

Other panel members that will run the starting berths close: M Walsh, R Sexton, C McGovern, K Duffin, T Hanna, S Kearney, M Cole, R Murtagh, D Hughes, J McGovern

Would Colm Kearney be considered?  One of the best forwards in club football this year but attitude can be questionable.
 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 24, 2009, 04:50:46 PM
Ambrose ahead of either Kearney or Fitpatrick imho.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 24, 2009, 05:12:00 PM
Quote from: banker on September 24, 2009, 04:26:47 PM
Since Marty Clarke is definitely on his way home this is the Down team i would like to see line out come championship time:

1) Brendan McVeigh
2) Luke Howard
3) Peter Turley
4) Martin Cole
5) Paul Murphy
6) Liam Doyle
7) Kevin Duffin
8 ) Dan Gordon
9) Stephen Kearney
10) Michael Walsh
11) Martin Clarke
12) Benny Coulter
13) John Clarke
14) Peter Fitzpatrick
15) Paul Mc Cumiskey

This is a fantastic team with great potential. Hopefully wee james can do the job with these lads and with the likes of murtagh, sexton, mckernan, laverty (hopefully) on the bench he has a few handy subs to throw in

lets see everyone elses teams

calm down lads, yes marty clarke's return is brilliant for the county team but that doesn't make the rest of the team now 'fantastic'


all those other players have been given plenty of chances and i can count on one hand the number of highlights theyve provided in championship football over the years

however, most of the team is still young so i hope  McCartan can bring them on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on September 24, 2009, 06:15:54 PM
My Selection:

1) Brendan McVeigh
2) Luke Howard
3) Peter Turley
4) Martin Cole
5) Paul Murphy
6) Liam Doyle
7) Connor Garvey
8 ) Dan Gordon
9) Ambrose Rodgers
10) Michael Walsh
11) Martin Clarke
12) Kevin McKernan
13) John Clarke
14) Benny Coulter
15) Paul Mc Cumiskey


Thats my team, Aiden Carr, Laverty and Maginn in my opinion would also be good enough in the forward line but I can only have 6. As for extra defenders Aidan Brannigan and D Rafferty would'nt be too far away.

As for the half forward line though - awesome! 3 Boys who can pass, score from distance and who love to be on the ball. They have natural footballing brains - something lacking in our County teams these last few years!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on September 24, 2009, 07:49:18 PM
Quote from: maldini on September 24, 2009, 05:12:00 PM
Quote from: banker on September 24, 2009, 04:26:47 PM
Since Marty Clarke is definitely on his way home this is the Down team i would like to see line out come championship time:

1) Brendan McVeigh
2) Luke Howard
3) Peter Turley
4) Martin Cole
5) Paul Murphy
6) Liam Doyle
7) Kevin Duffin
8 ) Dan Gordon
9) Stephen Kearney
10) Michael Walsh
11) Martin Clarke
12) Benny Coulter
13) John Clarke
14) Peter Fitzpatrick
15) Paul Mc Cumiskey

This is a fantastic team with great potential. Hopefully wee james can do the job with these lads and with the likes of murtagh, sexton, mckernan, laverty (hopefully) on the bench he has a few handy subs to throw in

lets see everyone elses teams

calm down lads, yes marty clarke's return is brilliant for the county team but that doesn't make the rest of the team now 'fantastic'


all those other players have been given plenty of chances and i can count on one hand the number of highlights theyve provided in championship football over the years

however, most of the team is still young so i hope  McCartan can bring them on

These players may have been given plenty of oppurtunities but i believe that wee james will bring in a new system which the players will adapt well to unlike any of ross and djs systems!
hopefully the other lads will flourish on the return of the 2 clarkes and michael walsh. i would actually consider a change in midfield in bringin ambrose into it instead of kearney. this would leave james a good bench to choose from with players like murtagh, sexton, mckernan, laverty if he makes it, maginn, garvey, aidan carr, d rafferty and steven kearney. with a good starting team and a good depth in the squad i believe wee james will do better with this bunch of players than ross a and dj did
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Carbery on September 24, 2009, 10:12:59 PM
What ever happened to James Colgan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 25, 2009, 08:44:29 AM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on September 24, 2009, 06:15:54 PM
My Selection:

1) Brendan McVeigh
2) Luke Howard
3) Peter Turley
4) Martin Cole
5) Paul Murphy
6) Liam Doyle
7) Connor Garvey
8 ) Dan Gordon
9) Ambrose Rodgers
10) Michael Walsh
11) Martin Clarke
12) Kevin McKernan
13) John Clarke
14) Benny Coulter
15) Paul Mc Cumiskey


Thats my team, Aiden Carr, Laverty and Maginn in my opinion would also be good enough in the forward line but I can only have 6. As for extra defenders Aidan Brannigan and D Rafferty would'nt be too far away.

As for the half forward line though - awesome! 3 Boys who can pass, score from distance and who love to be on the ball. They have natural footballing brains - something lacking in our County teams these last few years!

Kalum King ahead of Ambrose for midfield in my opinion. I'd play Ambros at 11 with McKernan losing out to Clarke. A bench with Maginn, Hanna, Duffin, Devlin , Poland, Brannigan, Sloan and O'Reilly (if he  stays) would be quite strong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 25, 2009, 09:56:26 AM
Some great options in midfield and in the forwards

Midfield
Gordon
Rodgers
King

Forwards
Walsh
M Clarke
J Clarke
McComiskey
Coulter
McKernan
Laverty
Hughes

A few of the young guys like Peter Fitzpatrick and Magee from the u21's would be good options as well.

If they could learn to defend like Tyrone they would have a great team.  A couple of Ricey McMenamin's in defence would be handy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on September 25, 2009, 12:48:21 PM
1) Brendan McVeigh
2) Luke Howard
3) P Murphy
4) Martin Cole
5) K McKernan/T Hanna
6) Liam Doyle
7) Connor Garvey
8 ) Dan Gordon
9) Ambrose Rodgers
10) Benny Coulter
11) Martin Clarke
12) Danny Hughes
13) John Clarke
14) Michael Walsh
15) Paul Mc Cumiskey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on September 25, 2009, 02:52:28 PM
Anyone else hear that wee pete assisted by John Rafferty is to be unveiled as the new Armagh manager tonight???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 25, 2009, 02:53:52 PM
Are all matches goin ahead tomorrow as per fixtures?

No didn't hear that - can't see the latter being true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 25, 2009, 03:55:46 PM
Quote from: Dulaney on September 25, 2009, 02:52:28 PM
Anyone else hear that wee pete assisted by John Rafferty is to be unveiled as the new Armagh manager tonight???

I was texted that earlier.. not sure how true it is though!!!! Hope not!!! >:( >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 25, 2009, 08:00:51 PM
I heard that too. If it's true good luck to him. Big mistake by Armagh IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on September 25, 2009, 08:03:56 PM
to talk about martin clarke starting in the championship next year is crazy, surely he will need a season of games under his belt before the selectors make the decision to include him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 25, 2009, 08:08:55 PM
I'd say the An Riocht selectors have already made that decision. He'll start for them in the play-offs!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on September 25, 2009, 08:16:23 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 25, 2009, 08:08:55 PM
I'd say the An Riocht selectors have already made that decision. He'll start for them in the play-offs!

Id agree with you there and they would be dead right to get him to play some part but all the hype surrounding his return is needless. especially the new down manager talking like martys already part of the down panel even though he hasnt played club football this year. Just shows our new county manager is gonna base his selections this year on reputations rather than watching the league games. (this isnt a dig at marty himself more the general thinking of our county)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 25, 2009, 09:33:42 PM
Wise up Stiff Beeze. Talk of Marty Clark needing a year to re-adjust to Gaelic Football is laughable.  Isn't it lucky for Kerry that Jack O'Connor wasn't so naive when it came to selecting Tagdh Kenelly after 9 years away!! Marty Clark came back after a year to star in An Riocht's league success. He is going to be a Down great- hopefully we can build a team  that brings him success in the next 4-5 years as miracles don't happen overnight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on September 25, 2009, 09:42:53 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on September 25, 2009, 08:03:56 PM
to talk about martin clarke starting in the championship next year is crazy, surely he will need a season of games under his belt before the selectors make the decision to include him.

Sorry stiff breeze but your way of the mark there in my opinion, Martin Clarke is probably going to be Down's next Greg Blaney & you want to leave him in the stand for a year scratching his arse while the likes of John Boyle for example take up a place on the panel & all they are doing is dirtying a jersey!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on September 25, 2009, 11:09:33 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 25, 2009, 09:33:42 PM
Wise up Stiff Beeze. Talk of Marty Clark needing a year to re-adjust to Gaelic Football is laughable.  Isn't it lucky for Kerry that Jack O'Connor wasn't so naive when it came to selecting Tagdh Kenelly after 9 years away!! Marty Clark came back after a year to star in An Riocht's league success. He is going to be a Down great- hopefully we can build a team  that brings him success in the next 4-5 years as miracles don't happen overnight.
Alot of the views of marty clarke are based on his performances for the minors and under 21s. county Seniors is a big step up. good luck to marty but i still think he should be selected (as should all county players) on what they have performed recently which is clearly not the case. New down manager in but same old selection system in place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on September 25, 2009, 11:21:50 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on September 25, 2009, 11:09:33 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 25, 2009, 09:33:42 PM
Wise up Stiff Beeze. Talk of Marty Clark needing a year to re-adjust to Gaelic Football is laughable.  Isn't it lucky for Kerry that Jack O'Connor wasn't so naive when it came to selecting Tagdh Kenelly after 9 years away!! Marty Clark came back after a year to star in An Riocht's league success. He is going to be a Down great- hopefully we can build a team  that brings him success in the next 4-5 years as miracles don't happen overnight.
Alot of the views of marty clarke are based on his performances for the minors and under 21s. county Seniors is a big step up. good luck to marty but i still think he should be selected (as should all county players) on what they have performed recently which is clearly not the case. New down manager in but same old selection system in place.
Stiff Breeze ;) Time for a stiff drink me thinks. Talk of winning All Irelands etc is nonsense but to suggest he might not be up to County Football is laughable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on September 25, 2009, 11:34:39 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on September 25, 2009, 11:09:33 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 25, 2009, 09:33:42 PM
Wise up Stiff Beeze. Talk of Marty Clark needing a year to re-adjust to Gaelic Football is laughable.  Isn't it lucky for Kerry that Jack O'Connor wasn't so naive when it came to selecting Tagdh Kenelly after 9 years away!! Marty Clark came back after a year to star in An Riocht's league success. He is going to be a Down great- hopefully we can build a team  that brings him success in the next 4-5 years as miracles don't happen overnight.
Alot of the views of marty clarke are based on his performances for the minors and under 21s. county Seniors is a big step up. good luck to marty but i still think he should be selected (as should all county players) on what they have performed recently which is clearly not the case. New down manager in but same old selection system in place.

You are talking complete & utter bollicks there stiff breeze, you say senior gaelic football is a big step-up........... well hello, the lad has spent the last 3 years as a professional Aussie rules player & surpassed all expectations that were placed on his young shoulders in adopting to the oval ball, he is in peak physical condition with a natural ability to play high quality gaelic football for fun, so in my opinion your points of view just don't stack up, when you in a hole stop digging!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on September 25, 2009, 11:50:23 PM
clearly he isnt in peak physical condition when he hasnt played for collingwood for a while. young reilly from loughinisland is going to oz by all accounts and Imo he wouldnt have been the saviour of down football so the fact that clarke has played aussie rules for a year and a half counts for f all. different games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on September 25, 2009, 11:55:37 PM
Marty Clarke is a good footballer and worthy of inclusion in Co.panel if fully fit, but to elevate him to saviour or even star status at this stage, is just plain ridiculous
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 26, 2009, 12:33:08 AM
Look Stiff Breeze and Pangurban, get real. Marty Clark is a gifted Gaelic footballer, the best prospect since Benny Coulter. He will walk onto the Down tean and rightly so. He is a class act and as the saying goes- class is permanent
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on September 26, 2009, 12:33:59 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 25, 2009, 09:42:53 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on September 25, 2009, 08:03:56 PM
to talk about martin clarke starting in the championship next year is crazy, surely he will need a season of games under his belt before the selectors make the decision to include him.

Sorry stiff breeze but your way of the mark there in my opinion, Martin Clarke is probably going to be Down's next Greg Blaney & you want to leave him in the stand for a year scratching his arse while the likes of John Boyle for example take up a place on the panel & all they are doing is dirtying a jersey!!!!

mournerambler i take your insult of john boyle as being very nasty and short sighted. john got very few chances last season and when he did start in the nfl he may not have been the best player on the park for down but he was far from the worst and didnt let them down either. played both defence and forward throuhout the year and ok i may have my blue point sunglasses on but to say all he did was dirty a jersey is complete crap. dont get me wrong cant wait to see marty clarke back in the down jersey but to single out boyler as keeping boys of the panel while having played on a point team with very few points this year, he was the leading light on that team and i would say if you asked anybody who had to mark him they had a torrid hour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fairplay on September 26, 2009, 09:46:50 AM
  John Boyle is a great Club player but definetly not County material.He would struggle to get on the Mayobridge team
when they were Co Champions last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on September 26, 2009, 12:14:41 PM
its the fact that our county management has practically said there is a down jersey waitin for marty that has bothered me. how would the likes of micky walsh who is having a great season feel if clarke got a place in the squad instead of him on merit?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 26, 2009, 12:47:52 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on September 26, 2009, 12:14:41 PM
its the fact that our county management has practically said there is a down jersey waitin for marty that has bothered me. how would the likes of micky walsh who is having a great season feel if clarke got a place in the squad instead of him on merit?

Stiff breeze, I would imagine the way the selection process Will work will be that Clarke will be given a trial (for the point of fairness) based upon the talent he has shown as possibly THE best minor of recent times. In addition as pointed out he was a professional athlete in the AFL and in between times he came back to help An Riocht secure a league title, with a tally of 2-1 in the league final. If he impresses at these trials ( as I have a sneaky suspicion he may) then he will be included in the panel.
James is a smart enough man and will know( as even Jim Wells could probably tell ya) that Marty Clarke is one of the top 30s footballers on Down based on the above points. When the papers asked him about Marty Clarke in relation to Down football, he stated it was "a boost" (as it is)." HOPEFULLY we can integrate him into Down football fairly quickly.... he's not going to solve all our problems hes only 21 and needs time."
I thought he dealt with the expectation and hype fairly well. If he fulfilled your wishes and came out and stated that Marty is not guaranteed his place on the panel, it would make him look mildly insane. It certainly as other posters I am sure would back me up on provoke more of a reaction than his hints that Marty will be included in the panel. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on September 26, 2009, 02:00:37 PM
I'm expecting big things of him as a teacher.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 26, 2009, 03:47:45 PM
Kilcoo just after beating Rostrevor in Down under 16 championship final. Great display with Darragh Ohanlon and Ryan Johnston superb. Thats the intermediate ladies and Down Under 16s for our club. Good luck to our thirds against Kilclief seconds in reserve simi final tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on September 26, 2009, 04:18:35 PM
Aghaderg failed to field v Drumgath today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 26, 2009, 05:04:40 PM
Loughinisland 3-10
Castlewellan 3-10
Any other results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 26, 2009, 05:09:09 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 26, 2009, 03:47:45 PM
Kilcoo just after beating Rostrevor in Down under 16 championship final. Great display with Darragh Ohanlon and Ryan Johnston superb. Thats the intermediate ladies and Down Under 16s for our club. Good luck to our thirds against Kilclief seconds in reserve simi final tomorrow.

what was the score MDG?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 26, 2009, 05:20:25 PM
Shamrocks  1-7 0-9 Darragh Cross  Shamrocks Round 20
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 26, 2009, 05:21:13 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on September 26, 2009, 04:18:35 PM
Aghaderg failed to field v Drumgath today.

down site has it as Drumgath  0-5 0-0 Aghaderg  Drumgath Round 20
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 26, 2009, 05:37:11 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 26, 2009, 05:04:40 PM
Loughinisland 3-10
Castlewellan 3-10
Any other results?
Mayobridge 1.15 Burren 0.12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 26, 2009, 05:54:33 PM
Duff beat DPK by a point with a last min goal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 26, 2009, 05:55:26 PM
O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Longstone  1-11 1-8 Rostrevor  Longstone Round 20 
O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Shamrocks  1-7 0-9 Darragh Cross  Shamrocks Round 20 
Ballyholland  0-13 0-9 Atticall  Ballyholland Round 20 
An Riocht  1-13 1-10 Annaclone  An Riocht Round 20 
Glasdrumman  0-1 1-7 Ballymartin  Glasdrumman Round 20 
O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ardglass  1-8 1-16 Dundrum  Ardglass Round 20 
Drumaness  0-9 2-15 Glenn  Drumaness Round 20 
St Johns  2-10 2-2 St Pauls  St Johns Round 20 
Bredagh  0-10 0-11 Tullylish  Bredagh Round 20 
Drumgath  0-5 0-0 Aghaderg  Drumgath Round 20 
O Neills Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
St Michaels  2-12 1-17 Mitchels  Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 26, 2009, 06:21:34 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 26, 2009, 05:55:26 PM
O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Longstone  1-11 1-8 Rostrevor  Longstone Round 20 
O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Shamrocks  1-7 0-9 Darragh Cross  Shamrocks Round 20 
Ballyholland  0-13 0-9 Atticall  Ballyholland Round 20 
An Riocht  1-13 1-10 Annaclone  An Riocht Round 20 
Glasdrumman  0-1 1-7 Ballymartin  Glasdrumman Round 20 
O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ardglass  1-8 1-16 Dundrum  Ardglass Round 20 
Drumaness  0-9 2-15 Glenn  Drumaness Round 20 
St Johns  2-10 2-2 St Pauls  St Johns Round 20 
Bredagh  0-10 0-11 Tullylish  Bredagh Round 20 
Drumgath  0-5 0-0 Aghaderg  Drumgath Round 20 
O Neills Down SFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
St Michaels  2-12 1-17 Mitchels  Tullylish

Is this result accurate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on September 26, 2009, 06:35:42 PM
according to Down website - yes.

Amazing result and does not auger well for Glassdrumman for the relegation playoffs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 26, 2009, 06:42:08 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on September 26, 2009, 06:35:42 PM
according to Down website - yes.

Amazing result and does not auger well for Glassdrumman for the relegation playoffs

After the stroke they pulled on us I hope they go down....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on September 26, 2009, 06:53:19 PM
why is there no Downpatrick result??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 26, 2009, 07:50:21 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on September 26, 2009, 06:53:19 PM
why is there no Downpatrick result??

previous page, the Duff won
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on September 26, 2009, 08:58:41 PM

Dose anyone know who won between Downpatrickand ST Pauls in the other U14 league playoff semi-fina
to play ST Josephs in the U14 League final  
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 26, 2009, 09:52:58 PM
Kilclief 2.10 Clann na Banna 4.14

Kilclief were 2.08 to 0.6 ahead at half time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on September 27, 2009, 01:56:07 AM
Quote from: dundroma on September 26, 2009, 08:58:41 PM

Dose anyone know who won between Downpatrickand ST Pauls in the other U14 league playoff semi-fina
to play ST Josephs in the U14 League final  
Downpatrick won and the East Down Charman covered himself in glory. W****r of the highest order
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on September 27, 2009, 09:28:42 AM

1. Brendan McVeigh
2. Aidan Brannigan
3. C Garvey
4. L Howard
5. K Duffin
6. L Doyle
7. T Hanna
8. D Gordon
9. P Fitzpatrick
10. A Rodgers
11. M Clarke
12. K Mc Kernan
13. B Coulter
14. J Clarke
15. P McComiskey



Plenty of options on the bench with too walsh, king, murphy, carr, laverty, d mc cartan, poland, cole!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on September 27, 2009, 10:19:36 AM
does this mean that mitchels will meet to decide who goes up from div.4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 27, 2009, 10:20:26 AM
Quote from: norabeag on September 27, 2009, 01:56:07 AM
Downpatrick won and the East Down Charman covered himself in glory. W****r of the highest order
Would you care to elaborate? Just so we can establish exactly who the w**ker is here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on September 27, 2009, 10:23:09 AM
That U-14 match between Downpatrick and St Pauls was a cracking wee match with Downpatrick winning 2-09 to 0-13 after both sides had dominated for periods and both had probably thought they had the game won.
The East Down Chairman acting as an umpire insisted that a very young referee sent 2 players off in injury time after they had a wee coming together and tried (but failed) to hit each other.
A more experienced ref without the pressure of the Board Chairman on his back would have had a word with the 2 boys  and let them on as it wasn't a dirty game and it was all but over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 27, 2009, 12:05:49 PM
anyone at the shamrocks d'cross game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 27, 2009, 12:14:00 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 26, 2009, 06:42:08 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on September 26, 2009, 06:35:42 PM
according to Down website - yes.

Amazing result and does not auger well for Glassdrumman for the relegation playoffs

After the stroke they pulled on us I hope they go down....

What happened 5 Sams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on September 27, 2009, 02:43:04 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 26, 2009, 06:42:08 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on September 26, 2009, 06:35:42 PM
according to Down website - yes.

Amazing result and does not auger well for Glassdrumman for the relegation playoffs

After the stroke they pulled on us I hope they go down....
sorry to make you's look like absolute fool's but the down web site only put that score up to indicate who got the points for an un played game. Its not a literal score!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on September 27, 2009, 02:47:32 PM
Even worse - Glassdrumman could not field! Why dont the County Board just call it as it is as a WALK OVER and fine the club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 27, 2009, 03:51:08 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on September 27, 2009, 12:05:49 PM
anyone at the shamrocks d'cross game?

yea i was there
why. wot did u think of it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 27, 2009, 03:58:28 PM
Quote from: maldini on September 27, 2009, 03:51:08 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on September 27, 2009, 12:05:49 PM
anyone at the shamrocks d'cross game?

yea i was there
why. wot did u think of it

wasnt there but was told by a player that it was a kicking match with one player losing a tooth and that the referee did little to control the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 27, 2009, 04:21:33 PM
ACPRL

An Rioct 2-8
Rostrevor 2-11

Two men sent off, one for either team - bit of a nothing match to say the least!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 27, 2009, 06:00:18 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on September 27, 2009, 03:58:28 PM
Quote from: maldini on September 27, 2009, 03:51:08 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on September 27, 2009, 12:05:49 PM
anyone at the shamrocks d'cross game?

yea i was there
why. wot did u think of it

wasnt there but was told by a player that it was a kicking match with one player losing a tooth and that the referee did little to control the game?

M Devlin from Glenn refereed the game.He is making a strong challenge to Ned Morgan for worst referee in Down.Just not capable of refereein senior games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 27, 2009, 06:03:24 PM
Ballycran won Hurling final by 5 in the end today in Downpatrick.Well contested game.Final should be in Downpatrick every year.Good place to watch a Hurling game.
Title: Re: Directions to Mayobridge from Belfast
Post by: Square Ball on September 27, 2009, 07:35:54 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 22, 2009, 01:02:55 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 22, 2009, 12:00:20 AM
Help please.
Our minors play the Bridge this weekend.  Advice please on best route from Belfast?  Is it Banbridge to Rathfriland to Maybridge or should we go via Hiltown? What way would Bridge locals go?

Drive to Newry until you come to the courthouse.. turn left onto the road where the Brass monkey is situated!! Drive five miles to the city of Mayobridge.. At the second mini roundabout turn left onto the old road.. you will see our pitch from here!!!!

followed these and found the pitch, a lot of changes from I was there last, about 5 years ago with our u10s when you had the u10 league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 27, 2009, 08:30:24 PM
SHC final: Ballycran 1-14 0-12 Ballygalget. I thought Ballygalget would win it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 27, 2009, 09:21:10 PM
Quote from: THE DADGA on September 27, 2009, 02:43:04 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 26, 2009, 06:42:08 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on September 26, 2009, 06:35:42 PM
according to Down website - yes.

Amazing result and does not auger well for Glassdrumman for the relegation playoffs

After the stroke they pulled on us I hope they go down....
sorry to make you's look like absolute fool's but the down web site only put that score up to indicate who got the points for an un played game. Its not a literal score!!

Glasdrumman 0.10 Ballymartin 1.7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 27, 2009, 09:28:41 PM
Previous 5 top scorers in SFC from 2008 to 2002

Plus Kilcoo and Loughinisland's top scorer.

2008
1   Noel Sexton, Mayobridge 2.15
2   James McGovern, Burren 0.17
3   PP McCartan, Liatriom 1.14
4   Daniel Hughes, Saval 0.13
5   Eoin McCartan, Burren 2.7
8   Conor Lavery, Kilcoo 1.8
11   Ryan Stranney, Loughinisland, 0.9
12   John McCartney, Loughinisland 1.6

2007
1   Benny Coulter, Mayobridge 5.17
2   Barry Doran, Longstone   0.31   
3   Mickey Walsh, Mayobridge 1.17
4   Kevin McKernan, Burren 1.11
5   Ambrose Rodgers, Longstone 2.7
9   Sean Kelly, Kilcoo 0.10
14   Ryan Stranney, Loughinisland 0.8

2006
1   John Fegan, Clonduff 2.11
2   John Quinn, Mayobridge 2.11
3   Mickey Walsh, Mayobridge 0.13
4   Benny Coulter, Mayobridge 2.6
5   James McGovern, Burren 0.10
10   Damian Grant, Kilcoo 0.8
11   Donal Kane, Kilcoo 0.8
12   Ben O'Reilly, Loughinisland 1.5

2005
1   Daniel Hughes, Saval 2.13
2   Chris Brannigan, Bryansford 0.18
3   Benny Coulter, Mayobridge 2.11
4   John Quinn, Mayobridge 1.13
5   Shane King, Bryansford 2.10
32   Conor Laverty, Kilcoo   1.1
Loughinisland in IFC that year.

2004
1   Benny Coulter, Mayobridge 2.11
2   Robbie Coulter, Mayobridge 2.10
3   Aidan Fegan, Annaclone 1.12
4   Donal Kane, Kilcoo 0.14
5   Barry Doran, Longstone 0.13
12   Dan Gordon, Loughinisland 0.9   

2003
1   Robbie Coulter, Mayobridge 5.13
2   Chris Brannigan, Bryansford 0.20
3   Colm Kearney, Bryansford 1.14
4   Mickey Linden, Mayobridge 2.9
5   Benny Coulter, Maybridge 3.6
15   Gary McAvoy, Kilcoo 2.2
31   Mark Valentine, Loughinisland 0.4

2002
1   P.P. McCartan,  Liatriom 4.13
2   Robbie Coulter, Mayobridge,1.21
3   Aidan Cole, Rostrevor 0.16
4   Paddy Bradley, Burren 1.10
5   Conor Daly, Rostrevor 0.12
16   Gary Mason, Loughinisland 0.8
34   Donal Kane, Kilcoo 1.1

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 27, 2009, 10:03:41 PM
Fantastic performance by Benny, as a non-free taker, to be in the top five championship scorers for five consecutive years, and actually head the list twice.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 27, 2009, 11:52:17 PM
Can anyone give me the accurate team selections and scorers of Burren and Ballyholland in the First round of this year SFC?
Title: Reserve Championship
Post by: No1 on September 28, 2009, 09:01:18 AM
Congrats to Kilcoo III yesterday.  A good oul scrap of a match, nothing in it at the end.

Special word for the officials from Bright - atrocious for both sides.
Title: Re: Reserve Championship
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 28, 2009, 09:43:10 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 28, 2009, 09:01:18 AM
Congrats to Kilcoo III yesterday.  A good oul scrap of a match, nothing in it at the end.

Special word for the officials from Bright - atrocious for both sides.

Have to agree with you about the officials number 1. If the referee had have blown fouls when committed the 3 men sent off would never have been. He let it get out off hand in a game where there was very little dirt. the referee caused that scuffle at the end. A great win for the magpies on a 1-12 to 1-9 scoreline. Now its a matter off winning reserve, minor and senior finals. Not going to be easy but we have gave ourselves a chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on September 28, 2009, 11:34:47 AM
Mayobridge won the treble of premier reserve, minor and senior championships in 08, Kilcoo may just be about to do something similar in 09.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 28, 2009, 11:58:38 AM
Doee anyone know why only some Round 21 league fixtures are going ahead this weekend while some teams such as Castlewellan and Liatroim now have a 3 week break between games? Surely all games should  be played this Saturday (Obviuosly not those involving Loughinisland or Kilcoo)
More ridiculous scheduling by the county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 28, 2009, 12:04:23 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on September 27, 2009, 06:03:24 PM
Ballycran won Hurling final by 5 in the end today in Downpatrick.Well contested game.Final should be in Downpatrick every year.Good place to watch a Hurling game.

Its a good venue alright but the grass was too long on the pitch and slowed the game down with alot more mistakes regarding the lift. Crans weathered the early storm and were the better team after the first 15, open goal missed chance for galgets had a big bearing. Don't know if Ballycran are as strong as two years ago with Brendan Mc Gourty and Benny Ennis being big misses in their forward line.   

Carryduff beat Ballycran in the U16 Champ semi final and Liatroim beat us 2.12 to 2.13 on sunday morning in the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on September 28, 2009, 02:14:32 PM
Odds for Sunday

Kilcoo 5/6 Draw 7/1 L'Island 6/5.

Island to win by two points.
Title: Re: (No subject)
Post by: johnneycool on September 28, 2009, 03:57:17 PM
Well done to the Crans, had the better game plan and stuck to it ably assisted by some very stupid decision making our lads. Bad miss by paddy rat, open net 6 yards out all if had to do was flick it rather than his trademark hay maker stroke. Crans doubled up on magic as expected but our use of the spare man was terrible to non existant. Big man was our only threat and Crans were happy to foul him rather than let him through which is fair enough. Good win for the duff in the u-16's but portaferry are very strong at this age and would beat the pick of the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on September 28, 2009, 04:34:47 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on September 28, 2009, 02:14:32 PM
Odds for Sunday

Kilcoo 5/6 Draw 7/1 L'Island 6/5.

Island to win by two points.

good price on kilcoo.  after beating the bridge and burren cant see them losing this one. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 28, 2009, 04:38:15 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 28, 2009, 11:58:38 AM
Doee anyone know why only some Round 21 league fixtures are going ahead this weekend while some teams such as Castlewellan and Liatroim now have a 3 week break between games? Surely all games should  be played this Saturday (Obviuosly not those involving Loughinisland or Kilcoo)
More ridiculous scheduling by the county board.

Exactly, Bryansford are due to play L'Island and have asked to play it under lights some evening next week to keep the thing going - players not getting a game for three weeks this time of year is out of order.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 28, 2009, 04:56:11 PM
Has anyone the up to date division one table??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 28, 2009, 05:31:43 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 28, 2009, 04:38:15 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 28, 2009, 11:58:38 AM
Doee anyone know why only some Round 21 league fixtures are going ahead this weekend while some teams such as Castlewellan and Liatroim now have a 3 week break between games? Surely all games should  be played this Saturday (Obviuosly not those involving Loughinisland or Kilcoo)
More ridiculous scheduling by the county board.

Exactly, Bryansford are due to play L'Island and have asked to play it under lights some evening next week to keep the thing going - players not getting a game for three weeks this time of year is out of order.

Leitrim and Castlewellan are just above the drop zone as well, could come down to both of them needing a draw to stay up or 1 of them needing a win and the other having nothing to play for.  The last couple of rounds of games should always be played together.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 28, 2009, 07:39:16 PM
P   W   D   L   Pts   SD    Teams
20   15   3    2   33     68   Mayobridge
20   15   2    3   32     95   Bryansford
20   11   3    6   25     28   Longstone
20   10   4    6   24     26   Burren
19   11   2    6   24       9   Kilcoo
20   10   1    9   21       4   Rostrevor
20    9   1   10   19    -11  Castlewellan
20    7   2   11   16      -6  Liatroim
19    7   2   10   16    -43  Saval
20    7   1   12   15      4  Clonduff
20    2   5   13    9    -56  Loughinisland
20    1   2   17   4   -118  Warrenpoint

Outstanding games
Round 16
Saval  v  Kilcoo

                   Round 21
I have reversed all home teams to away teams as i took them from first round fixtures.
This is now in right order.

Clonduff v Longstone      
Mayobridg v Rostrevor
Burren v Saval   
Castlewellan v Liatroim   
Bryansford v Loughinisland    
Warrenpoint v Kilcoo   


               Round 22
Saval v Mayobridge
Rostrevor v Clonduff   
Longstoen v Burren
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint   
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Liatriom v Bryansford   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 28, 2009, 07:44:29 PM
Prediction League

Final round of Prediction League.

Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 28, 2009, 07:47:59 PM
Final round of Prediction League.

Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 28, 2009, 07:59:45 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff
Outright winner ?

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan

Eurovision song contest  Kilcoo
X-Factor Kilcoo
Boat race Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on September 28, 2009, 08:10:10 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 28, 2009, 09:02:31 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on September 28, 2009, 09:27:10 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 28, 2009, 09:29:37 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 28, 2009, 09:30:15 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 28, 2009, 09:36:07 PM
I see a couple of people are thinking that Loughinisland are going to take Kilcoo. Personally I cant see it although it will be very interesting to see if Kilcoo can finally put their 'flatter to decieve' hoodoo to bed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on September 28, 2009, 10:07:09 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on September 28, 2009, 10:32:27 PM
http://www.tg4.ie/clar/gaa125/foot.asp


Vote for Mickey!!

TG4 are running a poll for the best footballers and hurlers of the last 25 years!! Cast your vote on the TG4 website for Mickey Linden.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 29, 2009, 01:35:03 AM
Quote from: souljaboy on September 28, 2009, 10:07:09 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.
Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo  v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 29, 2009, 08:42:09 AM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan

I take my previous comments about Bright officials back (saying one of them is reffing our reserve league semi final tomorrow night)  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 29, 2009, 09:35:04 AM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on September 29, 2009, 10:44:17 AM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 29, 2009, 10:54:06 AM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on September 29, 2009, 11:21:07 AM


Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 29, 2009, 11:27:45 AM
Glad to see amallon has backed Ballymartin for the intermediate final.He backed St Johns,Downpatrick,then Kilclief when they all played Darragh Cross in previous rounds.Hope this trend continues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goalswingames on September 29, 2009, 11:28:48 AM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 29, 2009, 11:45:57 AM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 29, 2009, 11:48:10 AM
Ballygalget were very poor in the SHC final and the Crans fully deserved the win. They'll have to improve if they're going to do anything in Ulster though. Last time they won they drank for a week. Hopefully they've more discipline this time and give themselves a chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on September 29, 2009, 04:11:18 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 29, 2009, 04:44:47 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 29, 2009, 05:25:28 PM
Bitta-Banter - Its nothing personal.  I just know nothing about intermediate football and long may it stay that way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: idontbelieveit on September 29, 2009, 06:22:30 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan


 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on September 29, 2009, 07:04:14 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 29, 2009, 07:08:48 PM

Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ehh up Down on September 29, 2009, 08:04:25 PM
Firstly my congratulations to all the teams still involved in the championships and now for my gripe. I've been reading and following this site and this is my first time posting. Surely the county board must look into the fact that 3 of the largest clubs/towns (pick wise) arent contributing anything hence the poor standard of our senior county team. When we had a strong competitive teams in provincial and national comps we were backboned by the Newry,DPK and Carryduff teams. the two clubs with the smallest pick population wise are both competing in the senior final, Darragh and Ballymartin are by no means large parish's (Carrickmannon and Saintfield prob has 60% of lads who kick with the opposite foot anyhow 8)) Obviously Gealic football is strong and alive in the rural parish's. Lets diverve some of the money being syphoned off to promote hurling outside the ards into getting a GAA presence back into our major towns
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 29, 2009, 08:55:06 PM
All very well Ehh Down, but I don't see how it's the county board's fault. I'd guess that 3-4 of the town clubs you talk of are among the richest in the county, and also have the best pick every year at u-8 level.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 29, 2009, 09:18:59 PM
You're partly right Ehh up Down. There were men from the Towns you mention {These numbers could be wrong- thinking from the top of my head} Downpatrick (2) Shamrocks (1) and Carryduff (3) on the 1991 and 1994 teams but don't forget the contribution of the rural clubs. Ballymartin (2) Rostrevor (2) Burren (2) Tullylish, Drumaness, Loughinisland, Clonduff etc who all contributed key men
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on September 29, 2009, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 29, 2009, 08:55:06 PM
All very well Ehh Down, but I don't see how it's the county board's fault. I'd guess that 3-4 of the town clubs you talk of are among the richest in the county, and also have the best pick every year at u-8 level.
Would question your assertion that they are among the richest. I know Downpatrick have spent a lot on their grounds etc but would have considerable debt and outgoings as a result of development. Big pick on paper but there is significant part of population, mainly from orignal belfast families who have no affiliation to gaelic games even with the pitches on their doorstep.
The club have put big effort into local schools particularly St Colmcilles with minimal response and also have the likes of Bright eating into the Flying Horse and Saul who recruit right down into Saul St and the St Brigid School.
I would not be blaming the Co Board either as there is responsibility on the clubs themselves, but we had a paid administrator appointed five or six years ago in Down and whose remit was to address issues in the 3 Urban areas and 3 years later had delivered absolutely nothing but was rewarded with the Full time Secretary's post in the county.
I know a lot of the lads in the towns and they work very hard at promoting the games, indeed I wish my circumstances permitted me to do more but working away from home so much is a problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on September 29, 2009, 10:52:13 PM
Final round of Prediction League.

Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on September 29, 2009, 11:16:25 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 30, 2009, 08:34:36 AM
QuoteLets diverve some of the money being syphoned off to promote hurling outside the ards into getting a GAA presence back into our major towns

Some good points EHD but how much exactly do you think is being syphoned off?  At a rough guess I would say about £2.58.

The non Ards clubs promote hurling by themselves with little support from anywhere else.

The state of Gaelic football in our major towns is a disgrace. 

That's the problem with townies though, no loyalty to their club.   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 30, 2009, 09:35:11 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 30, 2009, 08:34:36 AM
QuoteLets diverve some of the money being syphoned off to promote hurling outside the ards into getting a GAA presence back into our major towns

Some good points EHD but how much exactly do you think is being syphoned off?  At a rough guess I would say about £2.58.

The non Ards clubs promote hurling by themselves with little support from anywhere else.

The state of Gaelic football in our major towns is a disgrace. 

That's the problem with townies though, no loyalty to their club.   ;)
that's a good thing for your club No1 as i recall a certain teacher got a pick off a few townies out to the shoreline ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 30, 2009, 09:39:00 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 30, 2009, 08:34:36 AM
QuoteLets diverve some of the money being syphoned off to promote hurling outside the ards into getting a GAA presence back into our major towns

Some good points EHD but how much exactly do you think is being syphoned off?  At a rough guess I would say about £2.58.

The non Ards clubs promote hurling by themselves with little support from anywhere else.

The state of Gaelic football in our major towns is a disgrace. 

That's the problem with townies though, no loyalty to their club.   ;)

Don't think it has anything to do with money.  More that a lot of the players play soccer so when the games move to the Saturday they are not committed to gaelic football.  Loughinisland have a few players who play soccer but there first priority is to gaelic football until the gaelic season ends.  The opposite would be the case with Downpatrick I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on September 30, 2009, 09:50:35 AM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo V Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 30, 2009, 11:17:10 AM
Good luck to the county representatives playing in the Ulster Championship this weekend. Warrenpoint taravel to Lisnaskea on Saturday in the Junior and Liatroim take on Castleblaney in Newry on Monday evenings in the IHC.

Liatroim should win but the Point have it all to do against a very strong Fermanagh team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 30, 2009, 11:45:02 AM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland. (Draw)

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo V Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 30, 2009, 11:47:30 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on September 30, 2009, 09:50:35 AM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo V Castlewellan

Going to be a lazy bo@@ocks again and agree with yer man here for my predictions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on September 30, 2009, 12:07:33 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v  Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo V Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on September 30, 2009, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: Ehh up Down on September 29, 2009, 08:04:25 PM
Firstly my congratulations to all the teams still involved in the championships and now for my gripe. I've been reading and following this site and this is my first time posting. Surely the county board must look into the fact that 3 of the largest clubs/towns (pick wise) arent contributing anything hence the poor standard of our senior county team. When we had a strong competitive teams in provincial and national comps we were backboned by the Newry,DPK and Carryduff teams. the two clubs with the smallest pick population wise are both competing in the senior final, Darragh and Ballymartin are by no means large parish's (Carrickmannon and Saintfield prob has 60% of lads who kick with the opposite foot anyhow 8)) Obviously Gealic football is strong and alive in the rural parish's. Lets diverve some of the money being syphoned off to promote hurling outside the ards into getting a GAA presence back into our major towns
forgot that hurling wasnt part of the GAA. Is this a serious comment? The non-ards hurling clubs get f**k all from the county board in the first place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 30, 2009, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on September 30, 2009, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: Ehh up Down on September 29, 2009, 08:04:25 PM
Firstly my congratulations to all the teams still involved in the championships and now for my gripe. I've been reading and following this site and this is my first time posting. Surely the county board must look into the fact that 3 of the largest clubs/towns (pick wise) arent contributing anything hence the poor standard of our senior county team. When we had a strong competitive teams in provincial and national comps we were backboned by the Newry,DPK and Carryduff teams. the two clubs with the smallest pick population wise are both competing in the senior final, Darragh and Ballymartin are by no means large parish's (Carrickmannon and Saintfield prob has 60% of lads who kick with the opposite foot anyhow 8)) Obviously Gealic football is strong and alive in the rural parish's. Lets diverve some of the money being syphoned off to promote hurling outside the ards into getting a GAA presence back into our major towns
forgot that hurling wasnt part of the GAA. Is this a serious comment? The non-ards hurling clubs get f**k all from the county board in the first place.

And to expand on that comment; the Ards clubs get f**k all from the county board either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on September 30, 2009, 12:31:01 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 30, 2009, 11:45:02 AM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland. (Draw)

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo V Castlewellan

First person I believe to predict Clonduff for the premier reserve!! 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 30, 2009, 01:26:22 PM
yeah im a cantankerous ol git and usually vote the opposite to everyone else just to be twisty.
First to back the Point in Minors too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on September 30, 2009, 01:39:31 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v  Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo V Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 30, 2009, 01:52:57 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 30, 2009, 12:16:58 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on September 30, 2009, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: Ehh up Down on September 29, 2009, 08:04:25 PM
Firstly my congratulations to all the teams still involved in the championships and now for my gripe. I've been reading and following this site and this is my first time posting. Surely the county board must look into the fact that 3 of the largest clubs/towns (pick wise) arent contributing anything hence the poor standard of our senior county team. When we had a strong competitive teams in provincial and national comps we were backboned by the Newry,DPK and Carryduff teams. the two clubs with the smallest pick population wise are both competing in the senior final, Darragh and Ballymartin are by no means large parish's (Carrickmannon and Saintfield prob has 60% of lads who kick with the opposite foot anyhow 8)) Obviously Gealic football is strong and alive in the rural parish's. Lets diverve some of the money being syphoned off to promote hurling outside the ards into getting a GAA presence back into our major towns
forgot that hurling wasnt part of the GAA. Is this a serious comment? The non-ards hurling clubs get f**k all from the county board in the first place.

And to expand on that comment; the Ards clubs get f**k all from the county board either.

I think,that EUD is probably referring to the South Down Hurling team.In addition lads,I'm not sure the county board should be preferentially supporting any clubs,should it be Ards,non-Ards ,Hurling or Football.
As a hurling enthusiastist from outside the Ards,I see the South Down Hurling team in it's current format as a waste of resources.It can be seen as an easy path to inter-county recognition for a non-Ards Hurler who has not got the ability or committment to make the Down SH team.The South Down performances in recent Down SHC indicates that most South Down players would struggle to make any of the Ards club teams never mind the Down SH team.Certainly if there are individual non-Ards players good enough and committed enough for Down seniors then the CB should do all they can to support these players.
The CB monies spent on the South Down team would be much better spent hiring the lights in Downpatrick and using this as a convenient base for non-Ards players,and it's only 10mins from the ferry for the Ards lads.
No doubt the Kilclief and Liatroim boys would find this attractive.It's handy for the Belfast boys,and for the South Down boys reasonably accessible.The annoyance of the ferry journey for the Ards lads,would be outweighed by the opportunity to do stickwork in the winter in a top class venue.Thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 30, 2009, 03:18:36 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 30, 2009, 01:52:57 PM


I think,that EUD is probably referring to the South Down Hurling team.In addition lads,I'm not sure the county board should be preferentially supporting any clubs,should it be Ards,non-Ards ,Hurling or Football.
As a hurling enthusiastist from outside the Ards,I see the South Down Hurling team in it's current format as a waste of resources.It can be seen as an easy path to inter-county recognition for a non-Ards Hurler who has not got the ability or committment to make the Down SH team.The South Down performances in recent Down SHC indicates that most South Down players would struggle to make any of the Ards club teams never mind the Down SH team.Certainly if there are individual non-Ards players good enough and committed enough for Down seniors then the CB should do all they can to support these players.
The CB monies spent on the South Down team would be much better spent hiring the lights in Downpatrick and using this as a convenient base for non-Ards players,and it's only 10mins from the ferry for the Ards lads.
No doubt the Kilclief and Liatroim boys would find this attractive.It's handy for the Belfast boys,and for the South Down boys reasonably accessible.The annoyance of the ferry journey for the Ards lads,would be outweighed by the opportunity to do stickwork in the winter in a top class venue.Thoughts?

My view on the south down team is that of a development squad but of recent years there has been players on it well past their prime. Use it to blood the up and coming hurlers from Warrenpoint, Clonduff, Bredagh, Carryduff into a better standard of hurling than they're currently getting with their clubs.

As for using the lights at Downpatrick I think that is already being looked at if not put in place for whatever manager ends up with the inenviable task of trying to gel a team together.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 30, 2009, 04:18:54 PM
Quote from: D4S on September 30, 2009, 01:39:31 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v  Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo V Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 30, 2009, 04:37:23 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo V Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedDragon on September 30, 2009, 04:49:03 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 30, 2009, 03:18:36 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 30, 2009, 01:52:57 PM


I think,that EUD is probably referring to the South Down Hurling team.In addition lads,I'm not sure the county board should be preferentially supporting any clubs,should it be Ards,non-Ards ,Hurling or Football.
As a hurling enthusiastist from outside the Ards,I see the South Down Hurling team in it's current format as a waste of resources.It can be seen as an easy path to inter-county recognition for a non-Ards Hurler who has not got the ability or committment to make the Down SH team.The South Down performances in recent Down SHC indicates that most South Down players would struggle to make any of the Ards club teams never mind the Down SH team.Certainly if there are individual non-Ards players good enough and committed enough for Down seniors then the CB should do all they can to support these players.
The CB monies spent on the South Down team would be much better spent hiring the lights in Downpatrick and using this as a convenient base for non-Ards players,and it's only 10mins from the ferry for the Ards lads.
No doubt the Kilclief and Liatroim boys would find this attractive.It's handy for the Belfast boys,and for the South Down boys reasonably accessible.The annoyance of the ferry journey for the Ards lads,would be outweighed by the opportunity to do stickwork in the winter in a top class venue.Thoughts?

My view on the south down team is that of a development squad but of recent years there has been players on it well past their prime. Use it to blood the up and coming hurlers from Warrenpoint, Clonduff, Bredagh, Carryduff into a better standard of hurling than they're currently getting with their clubs.

As for using the lights at Downpatrick I think that is already being looked at if not put in place for whatever manager ends up with the inenviable task of trying to gel a team together.


Though this South Down team somewhat competes at the lower levels of the national league, these boys should be playing as a club team against the ards firsts and the antrim teams; in other words they should be put into antrim div 1 and allowed to progress as a team. whats the point in hammering pish county teams if theyr'e gona get destroyed by a half decent club team??

And i'm sure the next argument is goin to be, 2whos gona play down div1/2 hurlin, plus football and a senior hurlin match in ballycastle all in one week?2
in that case boys need to get there priorities right and either hit the football or the hurlin on the head and give someone who wants to play the chance to play. but at the end of the day, if boys who play for the ards seconds can make three + matches a week, there is no reason why boys from the inland can't!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 30, 2009, 05:21:53 PM
Quote from: RedDragon on September 30, 2009, 04:49:03 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 30, 2009, 03:18:36 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 30, 2009, 01:52:57 PM


I think,that EUD is probably referring to the South Down Hurling team.In addition lads,I'm not sure the county board should be preferentially supporting any clubs,should it be Ards,non-Ards ,Hurling or Football.
As a hurling enthusiastist from outside the Ards,I see the South Down Hurling team in it's current format as a waste of resources.It can be seen as an easy path to inter-county recognition for a non-Ards Hurler who has not got the ability or committment to make the Down SH team.The South Down performances in recent Down SHC indicates that most South Down players would struggle to make any of the Ards club teams never mind the Down SH team.Certainly if there are individual non-Ards players good enough and committed enough for Down seniors then the CB should do all they can to support these players.
The CB monies spent on the South Down team would be much better spent hiring the lights in Downpatrick and using this as a convenient base for non-Ards players,and it's only 10mins from the ferry for the Ards lads.
No doubt the Kilclief and Liatroim boys would find this attractive.It's handy for the Belfast boys,and for the South Down boys reasonably accessible.The annoyance of the ferry journey for the Ards lads,would be outweighed by the opportunity to do stickwork in the winter in a top class venue.Thoughts?

My view on the south down team is that of a development squad but of recent years there has been players on it well past their prime. Use it to blood the up and coming hurlers from Warrenpoint, Clonduff, Bredagh, Carryduff into a better standard of hurling than they're currently getting with their clubs.

As for using the lights at Downpatrick I think that is already being looked at if not put in place for whatever manager ends up with the inenviable task of trying to gel a team together.


Though this South Down team somewhat competes at the lower levels of the national league, these boys should be playing as a club team against the ards firsts and the antrim teams; in other words they should be put into antrim div 1 and allowed to progress as a team. whats the point in hammering pish county teams if theyr'e gona get destroyed by a half decent club team??

And i'm sure the next argument is goin to be, 2whos gona play down div1/2 hurlin, plus football and a senior hurlin match in ballycastle all in one week?2
in that case boys need to get there priorities right and either hit the football or the hurlin on the head and give someone who wants to play the chance to play. but at the end of the day, if boys who play for the ards seconds can make three + matches a week, there is no reason why boys from the inland can't!!
The biggest boost to Hurling would be the success of the county senior team-and this must be a priority.Your point re entering the Antrim leagues is a good one-and fixtures should accomodate this.It's easy to say that lads should make choices ,but it would be unfair on Fintan Conway and on Kilclief club ,if he was made to choose between an Antrim league match and a div 2 football fixture.
To think that the South Down team travel to the likes of Longford,while they could be playing Ballycran in Hilltown for example.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on September 30, 2009, 08:09:10 PM
Anyone know who Loughinisland opponents will be in the 1st round of the Ulster Club Championships
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 30, 2009, 08:19:36 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 30, 2009, 08:09:10 PM
Anyone know who Loughinisland opponents will be in the 1st round of the Ulster Club Championships
Why are the fixtures out for 2010? ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on September 30, 2009, 09:42:30 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 30, 2009, 08:09:10 PM
Anyone know who Loughinisland opponents will be in the 1st round of the Ulster Club Championships

St. Eunans (Letterkenny) or Naomh Conaill (Glenties) 18th October
Title: EDRL
Post by: No1 on September 30, 2009, 09:46:16 PM
Kilclief II's beaten in their second semi final in 4 days tonight.  Congrats to Castlewellan III's.

Turning into a terrible season for the club.

Pitch in Newcastle is not in good nick at the moment.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on September 30, 2009, 10:03:12 PM
Paddy Power have Kilcoo now as strong favourites.

Kilcoo 4/7 
Draw  7/1 
Loughlinisland 13/8 

Getting tempted to throw a few pound on the blues. Any injury news are both teams at full strength ?
   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 30, 2009, 10:30:42 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on September 30, 2009, 10:03:12 PM
Paddy Power have Kilcoo now as strong favourites.

Kilcoo 4/7 
Draw  7/1 
Loughlinisland 13/8 

Getting tempted to throw a few pound on the blues. Any injury news are both teams at full strength ?


Imagine that will be kept close to respective teams chests. Certainly anyone from either club with inside info posting on this needs shot. 
Very good odds on Loughinisland, certainly worth a punt as they seem to be coming good at the right time.
Noticed Kilcoo taking up four odd pages in the Mourne Observor and have drew plenty of attention in taking the scalps of the top three clubs (league wise anyway), whilst Louginisland almost unnoticed have crept into the final and have very little exposure in the local media.
I hope I am wrong as I have a lot of respect for what Kilcoo have achieved at underage level and as a club on the whole but there could be a Possible ambush on the cards. 
Title: Re: EDRL
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 30, 2009, 10:35:18 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 30, 2009, 09:46:16 PM
Kilclief II's beaten in their second semi final in 4 days tonight.  Congrats to Castlewellan III's.

Turning into a terrible season for the club.

Pitch in Newcastle is not in good nick at the moment.

Was there much in it in the end? Castlewellan have a lot off current seniors available to them as they didnt play championship in last two years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 30, 2009, 10:39:28 PM
The bookies odds, paths to finals, media previews, pre match predictions mean very little for Sunday. It all comes down to on the day and the team that reaches their potential and gets the rub off the green. I hope we can do it but its up to us to perform on the day, otherwise previous results will mean nothing. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on September 30, 2009, 10:41:20 PM
take it match is in newry, what time at on sun??might go and support a few old friends
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 30, 2009, 10:52:35 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on September 30, 2009, 10:41:20 PM
take it match is in newry, what time at on sun??might go and support a few old friends

Yeah at 4.15. Minor at 1.30. 125 celebrations inbetween.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 30, 2009, 10:57:55 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 30, 2009, 10:52:35 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on September 30, 2009, 10:41:20 PM
take it match is in newry, what time at on sun??might go and support a few old friends

Yeah at 4.15. Minor at 1.30. 125 celebrations inbetween.

1.30-6 approx? going to be a long day, may bring the flask and hang sandwiches  :P.. Even longer day( or two) for three clubs involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 30, 2009, 11:13:26 PM
SFC  Kilcoo v LOUGHINISLAND

IFC BALLYMARTIN v Darragh Cross

JFC GLENN v Teconnaught

MFC KILCOO v Warrenpoint

PRFC MAYOBRIDGE

RFC KILCOO v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 01, 2009, 08:38:01 AM
QuoteWas there much in it in the end? Castlewellan have a lot off current seniors available to them as they didnt play championship in last two years.

3 points, again.   :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on October 01, 2009, 11:02:35 AM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo V Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 01, 2009, 12:26:36 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo V Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: county colours on October 01, 2009, 12:52:30 PM
Imagine that will be kept close to respective teams chests. Certainly anyone from either club with inside info posting on this needs shot. 
Very good odds on Loughinisland, certainly worth a punt as they seem to be coming good at the right time.
Noticed Kilcoo taking up four odd pages in the Mourne Observor and have drew plenty of attention in taking the scalps of the top three clubs (league wise anyway), whilst Louginisland almost unnoticed have crept into the final and have very little exposure in the local media.
I hope I am wrong as I have a lot of respect for what Kilcoo have achieved at underage level and as a club on the whole but there could be a Possible ambush on the cards.
[/quote]

Have u not seen this weeks down recorder! The island r all over it and not a mention of the magpies!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 01, 2009, 01:15:42 PM
Castlewellan-Liatroim is now on this Saturday at 4pm.
Title: Re: EDRL
Post by: T O Hare on October 01, 2009, 01:16:24 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 30, 2009, 09:46:16 PM
Kilclief II's beaten in their second semi final in 4 days tonight.  Congrats to Castlewellan III's.

Turning into a terrible season for the club.

Pitch in Newcastle is not in good nick at the moment.

We play there tommorrow night No 1!!! What way is the pitch in bad shape... whats the lights like???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 01, 2009, 01:21:23 PM
I hope it's a mess, an absolute mess. We need all the levellers we can find.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 01, 2009, 01:24:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 01, 2009, 01:21:23 PM
I hope it's a mess, an absolute mess. We need all the levellers we can find.

  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 01, 2009, 01:30:50 PM
The Newcastle pitch is by no means the worst I've played on this season-I played on it at the weekend- it was hard and a bit bare round the goals. in other places the grass was slightly long but still very playable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 01, 2009, 01:38:58 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 01, 2009, 01:30:50 PM
The Newcastle pitch is by no means the worst I've played on this season-I played on it at the weekend- it was hard and a bit bare round the goals. in other places the grass was slightly long but still very playable

mouldies then???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 01, 2009, 01:42:07 PM
Def mouldies- and kneepads if you want the skin to stay on your knees
Title: Newcastle
Post by: No1 on October 01, 2009, 02:41:54 PM
QuoteWe play there tommorrow night No 1!!! What way is the pitch in bad shape... whats the lights like???

Lights are grand. 

Pitch is very hard and bobbly and the rain made it treacherous (Harpo was taken to hospital with a suspected broken leg after a collision).

Definitely mouldies and don't bounce the f**king ball!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on October 01, 2009, 03:21:18 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo V Castlewellan

glad im not the only 1 opting for the point in the minors. (2 of us)
i maybe looking through my blue glasses on this one but im hoping im gone before the senior match starts and away down the road celebrating what will be a surprise victory to say the least. i have saw kilcoo minors this year earlier in the championship and they impressed me immensley but im hoping they think this one is in the bag, just as mayobridge carryduff and burren did in the previous rounds against us.

we may not have the star studded players as kilcoo have but what star names we lack we do make up in team work. heres hoping that kilcoo dont white wash the whole year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on October 01, 2009, 03:31:45 PM
SFC  Kilcoo v LOUGHINISLAND

IFC BALLYMARTIN v Darragh Cross

JFC GLENN v Teconnaught

MFC KILCOO v Warrenpoint

PRFC MAYOBRIDGE

RFC KILCOO v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 01, 2009, 03:57:41 PM
Harpo has a double fracture of his right leg and is still in the Royal. A complete accident from what I hear from a collision with a Kilclief player.
Not the first time he has broke bones on the Newcastle pitch either!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on October 01, 2009, 05:52:15 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 01, 2009, 01:38:58 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 01, 2009, 01:30:50 PM
The Newcastle pitch is by no means the worst I've played on this season-I played on it at the weekend- it was hard and a bit bare round the goals. in other places the grass was slightly long but still very playable

mouldies then???

Tom your that good you could play in flippers!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 01, 2009, 06:22:31 PM
Quote from: county colours on October 01, 2009, 12:52:30 PM
Imagine that will be kept close to respective teams chests. Certainly anyone from either club with inside info posting on this needs shot. 
Very good odds on Loughinisland, certainly worth a punt as they seem to be coming good at the right time.
Noticed Kilcoo taking up four odd pages in the Mourne Observor and have drew plenty of attention in taking the scalps of the top three clubs (league wise anyway), whilst Louginisland almost unnoticed have crept into the final and have very little exposure in the local media.
I hope I am wrong as I have a lot of respect for what Kilcoo have achieved at underage level and as a club on the whole but there could be a Possible ambush on the cards.

Have u not seen this weeks down recorder! The island r all over it and not a mention of the magpies!
[/quote]

Credit crunch, only buy one Similar reading in both ( or so I thought  :o). Well thats my theory blew out of the water  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 01, 2009, 09:03:13 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 01, 2009, 06:22:31 PM
Quote from: county colours on October 01, 2009, 12:52:30 PM
Imagine that will be kept close to respective teams chests. Certainly anyone from either club with inside info posting on this needs shot. 
Very good odds on Loughinisland, certainly worth a punt as they seem to be coming good at the right time.
Noticed Kilcoo taking up four odd pages in the Mourne Observor and have drew plenty of attention in taking the scalps of the top three clubs (league wise anyway), whilst Louginisland almost unnoticed have crept into the final and have very little exposure in the local media.
I hope I am wrong as I have a lot of respect for what Kilcoo have achieved at underage level and as a club on the whole but there could be a Possible ambush on the cards.

Have u not seen this weeks down recorder! The island r all over it and not a mention of the magpies!

Credit crunch, only buy one Similar reading in both ( or so I thought  :o). Well thats my theory blew out of the water  ;D
[/quote]

I'd say it's not the first time you've been blew out dundrumite! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on October 01, 2009, 10:36:29 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 30, 2009, 11:13:26 PM
SFC  KILCOO v Loughinisland

IFC BALLYMARTIN v Darragh Cross

JFC GLENN v Teconnaught

MFC KILCOO v Warrenpoint

PRFC MAYOBRIDGE

RFC Kilcoo v CASTLEWELLAN

Cheers Umpire
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on October 01, 2009, 10:57:34 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 01, 2009, 11:21:51 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 01, 2009, 09:03:13 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 01, 2009, 06:22:31 PM
Quote from: county colours on October 01, 2009, 12:52:30 PM
Imagine that will be kept close to respective teams chests. Certainly anyone from either club with inside info posting on this needs shot. 
Very good odds on Loughinisland, certainly worth a punt as they seem to be coming good at the right time.
Noticed Kilcoo taking up four odd pages in the Mourne Observor and have drew plenty of attention in taking the scalps of the top three clubs (league wise anyway), whilst Louginisland almost unnoticed have crept into the final and have very little exposure in the local media.
I hope I am wrong as I have a lot of respect for what Kilcoo have achieved at underage level and as a club on the whole but there could be a Possible ambush on the cards.



Have u not seen this weeks down recorder! The island r all over it and not a mention of the magpies!

Credit crunch, only buy one Similar reading in both ( or so I thought  :o). Well thats my theory blew out of the water  ;D

I'd say it's not the first time you've been blew out dundrumite! ;D ;D
[/quote]

They really need to invent a giving the fingers type smiley  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on October 02, 2009, 12:27:05 AM
Konw I am not in this competition but here's what I think.

Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.  Against all form but, in finals, tradition still counts.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross.  Com'on Sth Down

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght.  Gelnn too strong but I'll be rooting for the Anacloy lads.

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint.  Kilcoo, too much quality and organisation in their outfit 

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff.

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan. Same as for the minors game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 02, 2009, 09:31:52 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on October 02, 2009, 12:27:05 AM
Konw I am not in this competition but here's what I think.

Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.  Against all form but, in finals, tradition still counts.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross.  Com'on Sth Down

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght.  Gelnn too strong but I'll be rooting for the Anacloy lads.
Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint.  Kilcoo, too much quality and organisation in their outfit 

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff.

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan. Same as for the minors game.

Slight contradiction of yourself there In the Onion Bag ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on October 02, 2009, 01:16:20 PM

Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 02, 2009, 01:22:52 PM
I just want to wish Kilcoo the best fo luck for the SFC on Sunday. Id say most of the county will be cheering them on.

The radical rewamp of their structures during the mid 90's is now finally starting to come to fruition at Senior level.

It is remarkable that they have already won an U-16 All County title and that they have made Minor and Reserve deciders as well as the Senior one.

My only concern for the Magpies is their mental strength. So many times in the past they have choked when all expected them to prevail.

I hope McCorry has addressed this and come Sunday evening they will produce the goods.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 02, 2009, 02:22:50 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 02, 2009, 01:22:52 PM
I just want to wish Kilcoo the best fo luck for the SFC on Sunday. Id say most of the county will be cheering them on.

The radical rewamp of their structures during the mid 90's is now finally starting to come to fruition at Senior level.

It is remarkable that they have already won an U-16 All County title and that they have made Minor and Reserve deciders as well as the Senior one.

My only concern for the Magpies is their mental strength. So many times in the past they have choked when all expected them to prevail.

I hope McCorry has addressed this and come Sunday evening they will produce the goods.

Thanks very much Down Fanatic. Hope we can do it. Motivation for this one wont be a problem as our love for loughinisland is similar to your own.  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on October 02, 2009, 03:27:46 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 02, 2009, 02:22:50 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 02, 2009, 01:22:52 PM
I just want to wish Kilcoo the best fo luck for the SFC on Sunday. Id say most of the county will be cheering them on.

The radical rewamp of their structures during the mid 90's is now finally starting to come to fruition at Senior level.

It is remarkable that they have already won an U-16 All County title and that they have made Minor and Reserve deciders as well as the Senior one.

My only concern for the Magpies is their mental strength. So many times in the past they have choked when all expected them to prevail.

I hope McCorry has addressed this and come Sunday evening they will produce the goods.

Thanks very much Down Fanatic. Hope we can do it. Motivation for this one wont be a problem as our love for loughinisland is similar to your own.  :)

why the lack of love for loughinisland mid?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 02, 2009, 05:41:03 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 02, 2009, 03:27:46 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 02, 2009, 02:22:50 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 02, 2009, 01:22:52 PM
I just want to wish Kilcoo the best fo luck for the SFC on Sunday. Id say most of the county will be cheering them on.

The radical rewamp of their structures during the mid 90's is now finally starting to come to fruition at Senior level.

It is remarkable that they have already won an U-16 All County title and that they have made Minor and Reserve deciders as well as the Senior one.

My only concern for the Magpies is their mental strength. So many times in the past they have choked when all expected them to prevail.

I hope McCorry has addressed this and come Sunday evening they will produce the goods.

Thanks very much Down Fanatic. Hope we can do it. Motivation for this one wont be a problem as our love for loughinisland is similar to your own.  :)

why the lack of love for loughinisland mid?

Few incidents in games in recent years have caused it. Id rather not elaborate any further.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 02, 2009, 06:08:49 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 02, 2009, 01:22:52 PM
I just want to wish Kilcoo the best fo luck for the SFC on Sunday. Id say most of the county will be cheering them on.

The radical rewamp of their structures during the mid 90's is now finally starting to come to fruition at Senior level.

It is remarkable that they have already won an U-16 All County title and that they have made Minor and Reserve deciders as well as the Senior one.

My only concern for the Magpies is their mental strength. So many times in the past they have choked when all expected them to prevail.

I hope McCorry has addressed this and come Sunday evening they will produce the goods.

Similarly,I have great admiration and respect for the magpies,they have superb footballers in every position.I am very envious of their collective work ethic and their success at all levels.

As a fellow East Down man,however,I don't share your antipathy towards Loughinisland.They have a tiny population,but have a GAA ethos unmatched by any other clubs in their area,and have always produced great footballers for county teams.

Both clubs are to be admired for getting to this stage.The novel pairing,the East Down rivalry,the chance to see past,current and future Down stars in action,plus the GAA125 spectacle ,should make it a great day out on Sunday.I rarely miss a county final,but to be honest this particular match up couldn't be more attractive.Looking forward to a cracking final!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on October 02, 2009, 06:11:05 PM
Up Kilcoo!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on October 02, 2009, 06:46:52 PM
Up Loughinisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 02, 2009, 07:09:52 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on October 02, 2009, 07:17:26 PM
what a lot of drivel 6th sam everybody knows that the 'island don't care where they trawl their players from.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 02, 2009, 09:03:42 PM
Paddy O'Rouke is the new Armagh manager- Thank God!!! Let's hope he makes as big a mess of them as he did of us!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 02, 2009, 09:05:41 PM
Paddy O'Rourke is the new Armagh manager- Thank God!!! Let's hope he makes as big a mess of them as he did of us!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 02, 2009, 09:09:19 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 02, 2009, 09:03:42 PM
Paddy O'Rouke is the new Armagh manager- Thank God!!! Let's hope he makes as big a mess of them as he did of us!

that came out of the blue, never heard his name mentioned
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 02, 2009, 09:10:22 PM
He was short listed and Pete wasn't!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on October 02, 2009, 10:34:26 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 02, 2009, 07:09:52 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughisland.
Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 03, 2009, 01:55:22 PM
Very slow on here today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 03, 2009, 04:48:44 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on October 03, 2009, 05:28:59 PM
Drumgath 3-11 0-7 Teconnaght
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on October 03, 2009, 05:39:20 PM
Senior
Kilcoo

Intermedite
Darragh Cross

Junior
Glenn

Minor
Kilcoo

Premier Reserve
Mayobridge

Reserve
Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on October 03, 2009, 06:00:55 PM
any more results today,heard a load of an riocht players off to glasgow on the beer and they have a match   against glassdrumman in the league goin ahead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 03, 2009, 06:02:40 PM
Castlewellan 1-09 Liatorim 1-07

I heard Clonduff won as well against the Stone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 03, 2009, 06:12:46 PM
Dundrum 1-14 Drumaness 1-04
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 03, 2009, 06:15:19 PM
I heard that Carryduff were beaten by Ballyholland and Shamrocks beat Attical
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 03, 2009, 06:19:46 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 03, 2009, 06:15:19 PM
I heard that Carryduff were beaten by Ballyholland and Shamrocks beat Attical

Does that mean the Duff automatically relagated. The Shamrocks seem to be coming strong at the proper time. Do them  have players back from injury/retirement or what is the situation? as they have made a dramatic turn around
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 03, 2009, 06:31:42 PM
i may be wrong - but I believe Carryduff are now automatically relegated. Even if they win their last game and Shamrocks lose their last 2 games they would end up on equal points but Shamrocks head to head v Carryduff is better. Therefore they are now doomed to finish last.

I also make it that Ballyholland are guaranteed a semi final berth. The issue is now who will they meet? The winners of the semi will meet An Riocht in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on October 03, 2009, 06:52:50 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 02, 2009, 09:05:41 PM
Paddy O'Rourke is the new Armagh manager- Thank God!!! Let's hope he makes as big a mess of them as he did of us!

Ah Jaysus go easy there wiil you, Paddy owes Down nothing , his time as Manager didn't go as we all would of liked but he gave it everything and a more committed Down man you won't meet . I wish him well .The Armagh ones are doing some yapping , you'd swear they were used to wining Sam every other year by the sounds of them .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on October 03, 2009, 06:55:55 PM
glenn 2-10  st johns 0-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on October 03, 2009, 06:59:14 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on October 02, 2009, 10:34:26 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 02, 2009, 07:09:52 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughisland.
Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on October 03, 2009, 07:52:25 PM
result of tullylish saul anyone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on October 03, 2009, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on October 03, 2009, 07:52:25 PM
result of tullylish saul anyone?

Tullylish 1:14
Saul 0:06
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 03, 2009, 08:36:56 PM
O Neills Down SFL Division 1
Team 1   Score   Score   Team 2   Venue   Comment   
Clonduff   2-12   2-10   Longstone   Clonduff   Round 21   
Castlewellan   1-9   1-7   Liatroim   Castlewellan   Round 21   
O Neills Down SFL Division 2
Team 1   Score   Score   Team 2   Venue   Comment   
Ballyholland   0-9   0-7   Carryduff   Ballyholland   Round 21   
Atticall   2-3   2-9   Shamrocks   Atticall   Round 21   
Clann na Banna   1-8   0-9   Annaclone   Clann na Banna   Round 21   
Ballymartin   0-12   0-6   Kilclief   Ballymartin   Round 21   
Glasdrumman   0-12   2-14   An Riocht   Glasdrumman   Round 21   
O Neills Down SFL Division 3
Team 1   Score   Score   Team 2   Venue   Comment   
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O Neills Down SFL Division 4
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 03, 2009, 08:38:28 PM
Anyone know about the Darragh Cross v Downpatrick game? Was it played? If not why not??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 03, 2009, 08:40:29 PM
Dx/RGU game not played due to death in parish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 03, 2009, 08:43:33 PM
Thanks Bitter Banter. When is it rescheduled for? Is the Intermediate final next Sunday (11th)?

Was the death in the Dx parish?
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Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 03, 2009, 08:50:19 PM
yes.Intermediate final next sun at 4 as far as i know
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 03, 2009, 08:58:08 PM
Yeah - it looks like the County Board are not scheduling the final league 2 games next Sunday due to the Intermediate final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Club on October 03, 2009, 10:27:11 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 03, 2009, 08:58:08 PM
Yeah - it looks like the County Board are not scheduling the final league 2 games next Sunday due to the Intermediate final
Is ther not a cut off date this year for league games in down?
If so how are Darragh Cross going to play 3 games and a championship final before then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 03, 2009, 10:33:32 PM
Was supposed to be 11th Oct! Cant see that now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 03, 2009, 10:40:43 PM
Senior Football
Kilcoo v Loughinisland. I think Kilcoo might just bottle it & could have peaked too soon, but boy do i hope i'm wrong.

Intermediate Football
Ballymartin v Darragh Cross

Junior Football
Glenn v Teconnaght

Minor Football
Kilcoo v Warrenpoint

Premier Reserve Football (4 teams still left, choose one to win outright)
Mayobridge, Burren, Ballyholland or Clonduff

Reserve Football
Kilcoo v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 03, 2009, 10:46:49 PM
Well done to Newry Bosco on winning the Division 4 league final today, looks like they went through the entire season without dropping a single league point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 04, 2009, 02:46:46 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on October 03, 2009, 08:40:29 PM
Dx/RGU game not played due to death in parish
About time this rule was looked at. Convenient for rural clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on October 04, 2009, 06:35:54 AM
need itora-this kind of statement barely deserves consideration -makes very little sense oh and try and get some sleep i think you need it!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 04, 2009, 07:46:10 AM
Quote from: 13aside on October 04, 2009, 06:35:54 AM
need itora-this kind of statement barely deserves consideration -makes very little sense oh and try and get some sleep i think you need it!!
?? itora
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 04, 2009, 12:57:16 PM
Clann na Banna beat Annaclone by 2. wasn't a bad match, decent crowd in attendance.

Great midfield battle between Benny McArdle and Liam Devlin. special mention for the ref Brendan Rice who had an excellent game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 04, 2009, 01:29:55 PM
Heard Marty Clarke scored 2-5 for the Kingdom last night!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 04, 2009, 02:21:08 PM
anyone know the score in the minor final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 04, 2009, 02:22:38 PM
Is this true?

Any score from minor final? I wonder how many people are actually in kilcoo this afternoon!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on October 04, 2009, 02:26:44 PM
heard latest score was
kilcoo 0-10 point 0-1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on October 04, 2009, 02:30:06 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 03, 2009, 10:46:49 PM
Well done to Newry Bosco on winning the Division 4 league final today, looks like they went through the entire season without dropping a single league point.

thnks rambler we did go through unbeaten, good game v Mitchels, glad to be out of div 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 04, 2009, 02:36:44 PM
Quote from: Shortso79 on October 04, 2009, 02:26:44 PM
heard latest score was
kilcoo 0-10 point 0-1

What!! one way traffic by the looks of things
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on October 04, 2009, 02:39:41 PM
literally decimated
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 04, 2009, 02:41:33 PM
is the senior game on the radio?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on October 04, 2009, 02:45:10 PM
should be on Five fm

100.5 fm or

http://www.fivefm.co.uk/portal/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on October 04, 2009, 02:47:30 PM
Latest

Kilcoo 2-15

Point 0-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 04, 2009, 02:48:56 PM
Close..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on October 04, 2009, 03:09:56 PM
Result

Kilcoo 2-16

Point 0-07

Heading down to the senior game now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 04, 2009, 03:23:22 PM
Quote from: Shortso79 on October 04, 2009, 03:09:56 PM
Result

Kilcoo 2-16

Point 0-07

Heading down to the senior game now

fair play to Kilcoo, a hell of a youth set up and reaping the rewards for it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: waitingforsam on October 04, 2009, 04:58:19 PM
L'island 2 up at half time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 04, 2009, 05:27:38 PM
Kilcoo 1-8 to 1-4 up and L'island have had 11 wides so far, Kilcoo have hit 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on October 04, 2009, 05:38:21 PM
Congratulations to Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 04, 2009, 07:26:18 PM
Congratulations to kilcoo. The scenes at the end of the game were something els. Got a feeling it won't be the last time they are there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on October 04, 2009, 08:01:12 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 04, 2009, 01:29:55 PM
Heard Marty Clarke scored 2-5 for the Kingdom last night!

2-2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 04, 2009, 08:03:02 PM
Well done Kilcoo. It's been a long wait but don't enjoy it too much! The Donegal Champions are waiting for you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 04, 2009, 08:19:32 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 04, 2009, 08:03:02 PM
Well done Kilcoo. It's been a long wait but don't enjoy it too much! The Donegal Champions are waiting for you.
Yes congratulations to Kilcoo. Well deserved over the course of the campaign, but L'island will be kicking themselves. They should have been out of site by halftime but lack of a free taker proved very expensive.
Dan almost anonymous today but that game was their for the taking.
Really cant see Kilcoo doing much damage in Ulster but here's hoping

Lastly poor Gabriel Tumelty, what can I say ::) ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 04, 2009, 08:21:03 PM
Loughinisland done a Fermanagh. The better team for the first 40-45 mins but their free-takers let them down. It cost Fermanagh last year's Ulster title and cost the blues the county title this year. They should have been 8-9 points up at half time, missed 2 or even 3 goals opportunities and their frees were woeful. Kilcoo know how to hold onto a lead and there was no way when they went 4 up that they wer going to lose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 04, 2009, 08:33:34 PM
Fair play to Kilcoo, the beer will be flying in Kilcoo tonight and in the Northern in Castlewellan,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 04, 2009, 08:46:04 PM
Quote from: norabeag on October 04, 2009, 08:19:32 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 04, 2009, 08:03:02 PM
Well done Kilcoo. It's been a long wait but don't enjoy it too much! The Donegal Champions are waiting for you.
Yes congratulations to Kilcoo. Well deserved over the course of the campaign, but L'island will be kicking themselves. They should have been out of site by halftime but lack of a free taker proved very expensive.
Dan almost anonymous today but that game was their for the taking.
Really cant see Kilcoo doing much damage in Ulster but here's hoping

Lastly poor Gabriel Tumelty, what can I say ::) ::)

Disagree completely.  Some of Dan's fielding and running with the ball was exceptional.  A good free taker and they would have been 5 or 6 up after 1/2 time.  Once Kilcoo got the first goal and got in front there was no stopping them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on October 04, 2009, 08:53:53 PM
good post maiden pretty near the mark
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 04, 2009, 08:54:22 PM
Anyone have teamsheet/scorers for the match?

Congrats to kilcoo!
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Post by: thegael on October 04, 2009, 08:57:49 PM
Well what can we say but well done Kilcoo .
This is a club all the rest of us can learn from , admire and I really must say as a Down man I am so proud that they are representing us in Ulster , for one thing for sure is no one will get it easy from the magpies.
Kilcoo we gaels salute you a great club with a the spirit of the gael.





                                               the gael takes no prisoners !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 04, 2009, 08:58:26 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 04, 2009, 08:46:04 PM
Quote from: norabeag on October 04, 2009, 08:19:32 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 04, 2009, 08:03:02 PM
Well done Kilcoo. It's been a long wait but don't enjoy it too much! The Donegal Champions are waiting for you.
Yes congratulations to Kilcoo. Well deserved over the course of the campaign, but L'island will be kicking themselves. They should have been out of site by halftime but lack of a free taker proved very expensive.
Dan almost anonymous today but that game was their for the taking.
Really cant see Kilcoo doing much damage in Ulster but here's hoping

Lastly poor Gabriel Tumelty, what can I say ::) ::)

Disagree completely.  Some of Dan's fielding and running with the ball was exceptional.  A good free taker and they would have been 5 or 6 up after 1/2 time.  Once Kilcoo got the first goal and got in front there was no stopping them.
Maybe a bit harsh of me to say anonymous but when his leadership was needed most in the last quarter he wasn't there.
I am a big fan and expected more
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Post by: Aaron Boone on October 04, 2009, 08:59:58 PM
Ref was very fussy throughout and even booked two men in injury time when the game was plainly over.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2009, 09:00:13 PM
It was a great occasion in Newry today, all very well organised, with an excellent programme as well, and one of the biggest crowds I can remember at a county final making for a tremendous atmosphere. Unfortunately, it was a very poor game with Loughinisland's second half display,  when they failed to score, about as bad as it gets.

Fair play to Kilcoo, who completed the treble of u16, minor and senior, with no doubt the RFC to come. They looked second best throughout the first half, apart from missing a penalty, and Loughinisland,if they had a free taker, would have been six or seven up, rather than just two, by the break.

The start of the second half was even more one-sided, with the Island constantly attacking and missing chances.  Then Kilcoo broke away, and Dominic McEvoy, who was just about the man of the match, was left completely unmarked and thumped in a goal. The Island fell apart, completely lost their shape, and kept kicking wide after wide as Kilcoo tapped over a few points to cruise home. The second penalty was probably a dive from Conor Laverty, but it did not really matter by that stage and it was brilliantly tucked away by Paul Devlin,

There was not much for wee James to note, other than possibly the Kilcoo full back Niall Morgan's performance and the urgent need for big Dan,who was dreadful after a decent start and  got a straight red towards the end,together with Aidan Brannigan of Kilcoo, to take a decent rest and come back next year as the player we know he can be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 04, 2009, 09:07:34 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2009, 09:00:13 PM
It was a great occasion in Newry today, all very well organised, with an excellent programme as well, and one of the biggest crowds I can remember at a county final making for a tremendous atmosphere. Unfortunately, it was a very poor game with Loughinisland's second half display,  when they failed to score, about as bad as it gets.

Fair play to Kilcoo, who completed the treble of u16, minor and senior, with no doubt the RFC to come. They looked second best throughout the first half, apart from missing a penalty, and Loughinisland,if they had a free taker, would have been six or seven up, rather than just two, by the break.

The start of the second half was even more one-sided, with the Island constantly attacking and missing chances.  Then Kilcoo broke away, and Dominic McEvoy, who was just about the man of the match, was left completely unmarked and thumped in a goal. The Island fell apart, completely lost their shape, and kept kicking wide after wide as Kilcoo tapped over a few points to cruise home. The second penalty was probably a dive from Conor Laverty, but it did not really matter by that stage and it was brilliantly tucked away by Paul Devlin,

There was not much for wee James to note, other than possibly the Kilcoo full back Niall Morgan's performance and the urgent need for big Dan,who was dreadful after a decent start and  got a straight red towards the end,together with Aidan Brannigan of Kilcoo, to take a decent rest and come back next year as the player we know he can be.

He had quite a performance. Highly impressed by him, has he ever represented Down at any level before?
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Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 04, 2009, 09:09:15 PM
Loughinisland will be kicking themselves,Some bad wides.
Gabriel Tumilty was a shocking appointment as ref,how can you have a hard hitting flowing contest with this man in charge. He would make a good ladies ref or Go Games or something.Didn;t let it flow and didnt allow forwards to tackle defenders.

Also Kilcoo should look at getting Aidan Brannigan's straight red rescinded. The ref didnt want to send just Dan off, so he bottled it and sent both off.
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Post by: Long Ball on October 04, 2009, 09:26:02 PM
Bitta-Banter, Aidan Brannigan punched Dan Gordon in the back of the ribs- a striking offence is a straight red. Ref coud have just booked them both though at that stage of the game. He was too fussy- probably just trying to do things by the book on the big stage.

Don't think Kilcoo will do much in Ulster- may beat St Eunan's but that's as far as they will get.
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Post by: Pangurban on October 04, 2009, 09:33:55 PM
Best team won, but it could have been so different if the Island had not been so wasteful in the first half, opted for terrible shot selections from ridiculous positions in second half. Did not effect result but the standard of refereeing was absolutely deplorable, inconsistent ,nit-picking, long delays for no valid reason other than his indecision. Congrats to Kilcoo, hope they do us proud in Ulster, they are certainly going to be around for a few years and will be hard to dislodge. Sadly i think the Island have missed their chance and it will be a long time until we see them back at this stage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 04, 2009, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: boscomo on October 04, 2009, 02:30:06 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 03, 2009, 10:46:49 PM
Well done to Newry Bosco on winning the Division 4 league final today, looks like they went through the entire season without dropping a single league point.

thnks rambler we did go through unbeaten, good game v Mitchels, glad to be out of div 4

Bosco should have beaten Glenn in Junior Football Championship, beaten by a freak Mattie Bagnell goal at the end.
Manager Paddy McAvoy done well.
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on October 05, 2009, 02:17:32 AM
Is it now mandatory to abuse every referee after every game?  I know that I am guilty of it sometimes... but some of the comments on here regarding the referee today are ridiculous.  He had a reasonably good game and did not make many mistakes.
It was not the referee's fault that Dan Gordon threw a deliberate elbow into an opponents face.  It was not the referee's fault that Aidan Brannigan threw a punch.  It was not the referee's fault that Conor O'Toole committed an unnecessary cardable offence at the start of the game thus needing to watch himself for the whole game. It was not the referee's fault that players got too up close and personal after the penalty save. etc. etc. etc.   Likewise, it was not the referee's fault that there were so many injuries and play had to be stopped. Player welfare is important too.

So I say, congratulations Mr. Tumelty on a job well done under the circumstances you had to deal with.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on October 05, 2009, 02:28:38 AM
Of the game itself, it was a case of Loughinisland failing to win a game that was there for the taking after creating enough chances to do so.  But it was left to Kilcoo to take hold of a game in which they should have been beaten out of sight by the 45 minute mark. And that they did, with confidence.
Loughinisland appeared to lack the belief that they could win this even though they were the better team for most of the first 3 quarters.  Most of their supporters around me seemed like they came to Newry more in hope then in belief. Perhaps that feeling in the parish rubbed off on the team? I don't know.
But apart from the game, on the championship as a whole, Kilcoo deserve to be the 2009 Champions.  So congratulations to them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 05, 2009, 08:53:49 AM
Well done Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on October 05, 2009, 09:48:52 AM
Congrats to Kilcoo - its been an enviable year for the Club so very well done to all those who put the ground work in over the past number of years. Kilcoo have achieved what all Clubs up & down the country aspire to and yesterday's win by the Minors augers well for more of the same.

I do however feel that Kilcoo generally display a "win at all costs attitude" and its one that isn't pleasant to witness - diving, exaggerated reaction to contact, holding unto the ball unnecessarily when a free is awarded, kicking the ball away when a free is awarded, goalie making sure that, when in the lead, a replacement ball isnt available to kick out (by booting it to the sideline every time one appears), off the ball punching, nipping, kicking etc etc  - you can argue that this is all part of the game but is it? Is that what our great GAA is about?

But the worst example of this "win at all costs" attitude yesterday wasnt even on the field - it was the Kilcoo supporters in the stand who consistently & very loudly  jeered the hapless L'island free taker when he was lining up his frees but, even worse, cheered even more loudly when he missed - in fact an L'island miss was cheered equally as loudly as a Kilcoo score.

So Kilcoos off home with their trophies and are rightly proud of their sons and daughters who have brought so much to the Club this year. But I cant help feeling that their cold ruthless "win at ALL costs" approach  isnt totally in keeping with the ethos of Cuman Luthcleas Gael.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 05, 2009, 10:23:41 AM
We do need to take a good long hard look at ourselves right across the county.

We are the GAA and proud of it - not Soccer and all the negative idiot behaviour that goes with it from supporters to players.

We can learn a lot from the respect and discipline in Rugby and try and reinstill these positive attributes to our games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 05, 2009, 11:05:45 AM
Quote from: norabeag on October 04, 2009, 08:58:26 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 04, 2009, 08:46:04 PM
Quote from: norabeag on October 04, 2009, 08:19:32 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 04, 2009, 08:03:02 PM
Well done Kilcoo. It's been a long wait but don't enjoy it too much! The Donegal Champions are waiting for you.
Yes congratulations to Kilcoo. Well deserved over the course of the campaign, but L'island will be kicking themselves. They should have been out of site by halftime but lack of a free taker proved very expensive.
Dan almost anonymous today but that game was their for the taking.
Really cant see Kilcoo doing much damage in Ulster but here's hoping

Lastly poor Gabriel Tumelty, what can I say ::) ::)

Disagree completely.  Some of Dan's fielding and running with the ball was exceptional.  A good free taker and they would have been 5 or 6 up after 1/2 time.  Once Kilcoo got the first goal and got in front there was no stopping them.
Maybe a bit harsh of me to say anonymous but when his leadership was needed most in the last quarter he wasn't there.
I am a big fan and expected more

To be fair to Dan,he was involved in most of island's good work.I feel you can't underestimate the effect of missed frees on a team's psyche.To watch so many apparently easy frees missed,and then concede the McEvoy goal,any team would find it hard to lift themselves.Dan is one of the best fielders in Ireland,but how useful is this in a crowded midfield sector.Would like to see wee James try Dan on the edge of the square again,I feel his undoubted ball winning ability would be more effective if deployed at 14,on occasions.Dan's most productive period in a Down jersey was at 14 in 2003-surely worth a try.

Congrats to Kilcoo,they never panicked and all 19 players,played their part.The intelligence of Laverty ,craft of Anthony Devlin,and graft of the McEvoys were highlights on the day.Paul Devlin really seemed to be enjoying himself in the 2nd half.
To brand Kilcoo as cynical "win at all cost merchants" is unfair.They have superb footballers throughout the field,and while some players may cross the line at times-is that not the case with every team in Ireland.From where I was sitting some of the more cynical incidents   and lapses of discipline,were from Loughinisland.
Wish Kilcoo the best of luck v St Eunan's.As long as they don't overdo the celebrations,they will be hard to beat.
I wouldn't write off Loughinisland for the future,take away the missed frees,and their psychological effect,and they could have been champs.
Some of the criticism of Gabriel Tumelty's performance is unfair.He seemed to give the island  more frees,but to be fair that was probably because they had players prepared to take men on,in scoreable positions.Strictly speaking both penalties were correct decisions,and I thought he might have gone yellow as opposed to red in the Brannigan/Dan incident,but on county final day,with assessors breathing down his neck,he was always likely to err on the side of caution.The problem is not Gabriel's that Gaelic Football in Down particularly has almost become non-contact.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downboy on October 05, 2009, 11:11:16 AM
I appreciate where you are coming from Daddy LL but to be fair to the Kilcoo players I dont think they behaved as badly yesterday as they had in earlier rounds. Surely the worst bit of "sportsmanship" came from the L'Island number 5 after the missed penalty??
As a few others have said I dont see Kilcoo getting much further. A decent team would have been out of sight with all the frees the full back line conceded.
The standard on the whole doesnt read well for Down football.

But ... A well organised colourful occasion and fair play to Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Upperbann on October 05, 2009, 12:01:40 PM
Heard at the match yesterday - Jerome Johnston is coming in with James in the Down set-up - any truth in this? Suppose it will even up the sides!!  Congratulations to Kilcoo by the way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on October 05, 2009, 12:35:41 PM
hardly the right time to put rugby on some sort of pedestal with its recent record of stamping,eye gouging and then there is the infamous 'Bloodgate' affair.........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 05, 2009, 12:37:57 PM
Well done to Kilcoo. A team I always hated playing against and a team we almost used to laugh at when my own club were picking up senior county tites, how times have changed! A brilliant underage structure, fantastic looking new facitiies still underconstruction and now a senior team that has delivered.

Although strangely I wanted my local rivals Loughinisland to win, I must applaud Kilcoo on a hard working and intelligent performance. I hope to see Laverty back in the Down squad soon, I thougth he tortured the island defence throughout and although he did'nt bring his shooting boots, he lead from the front brilliantly. I dont agree with those who say he is too small for snr county level because with his pace and brains if played as a corner forward the same ways he was yesterday, no defender no matter how big could deal with him. His intelligence and nastiness would be welcome to what I believe is a very 'nice' Down team.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redhandloo on October 05, 2009, 12:44:03 PM
Well done to Kilcoo!  They have been knocking on the door for a long time!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 05, 2009, 12:55:49 PM
 Indeed well done on all fronts.Senior,Minor and U-16. I'll be watching to see what happens as regards
call-ups for the Senior County squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 05, 2009, 01:04:38 PM
I see nothing wrong with "win at all costs".  Perhaps the County Side could learn something from Kilcoo.  "Win at all costs" seems to have worked well for Tyrone and Armagh over the last decade.  And it has certainly worked for Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Upperbann on October 05, 2009, 01:26:20 PM
Wobbller, on yesterdays performance i don't see anyone increasing thier chances of any senior county appearance in the near future and thats from both sides, although i'm sure Kilcoo won't give a toss about that at the minute.  As for C Laverty i'm still not convinved - yes he did win ball and there will be few in 'Down' that will cope with him (but other inter County defenders will not be that naive) also he was completely isolated up front - it is very easy to win ball when you have 40 yds of space in either direction infront of you for most of the game - i don't believe he scored from play! but with Jerome now involved there will probably be a few Kilcoo lads called up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on October 05, 2009, 02:02:18 PM
I don't think Kilcoo are bothered with 'the standard of Down football as a whole', they are county champions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on October 05, 2009, 02:04:11 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 05, 2009, 12:55:49 PM
Indeed well done on all fronts.Senior,Minor and U-16. I'll be watching to see what happens as regards
call-ups for the Senior County squad.

And the ladies intermediate  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 05, 2009, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: Upperbann on October 05, 2009, 01:26:20 PM
Wobbller, on yesterdays performance i don't see anyone increasing thier chances of any senior county appearance in the near future and thats from both sides, although i'm sure Kilcoo won't give a toss about that at the minute.  As for C Laverty i'm still not convinved - yes he did win ball and there will be few in 'Down' that will cope with him (but other inter County defenders will not be that naive) also he was completely isolated up front - it is very easy to win ball when you have 40 yds of space in either direction infront of you for most of the game - i don't believe he scored from play! but with Jerome now involved there will probably be a few Kilcoo lads called up.

Is Jerome Johnson now part of the set-up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on October 05, 2009, 02:14:14 PM
Quote from: Upperbann on October 05, 2009, 01:26:20 PM
Wobbller, on yesterdays performance i don't see anyone increasing thier chances of any senior county appearance in the near future and thats from both sides, although i'm sure Kilcoo won't give a toss about that at the minute.  As for C Laverty i'm still not convinved - yes he did win ball and there will be few in 'Down' that will cope with him (but other inter County defenders will not be that naive) also he was completely isolated up front - it is very easy to win ball when you have 40 yds of space in either direction infront of you for most of the game - i don't believe he scored from play! but with Jerome now involved there will probably be a few Kilcoo lads called up.
He scored probably the best point of the day in the second half from a very difficult angle from near the corner!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: full back on October 05, 2009, 02:15:08 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 05, 2009, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: Upperbann on October 05, 2009, 01:26:20 PM
Wobbller, on yesterdays performance i don't see anyone increasing thier chances of any senior county appearance in the near future and thats from both sides, although i'm sure Kilcoo won't give a toss about that at the minute.  As for C Laverty i'm still not convinved - yes he did win ball and there will be few in 'Down' that will cope with him (but other inter County defenders will not be that naive) also he was completely isolated up front - it is very easy to win ball when you have 40 yds of space in either direction infront of you for most of the game - i don't believe he scored from play! but with Jerome now involved there will probably be a few Kilcoo lads called up.

Is Jerome Johnson now part of the set-up?

Is that the current Ballymacnab manager?
If so, he is leaving them to help in the Down set-up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 05, 2009, 02:28:04 PM
Our lads recorded a handy enough win against the ports in the Joe McCrickard on saturday. 4-14 to 0-12.

Any other results from this high profile competition?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 05, 2009, 02:42:06 PM
Congratulations to Kilcoo. Their achievements this year have been unreal.

McCorry was very modest after the game and said that all the groundwork for this win had been done years before hand. There's a lot of truth in that and I think that those pioneers of the mid 90's can look back with immense pride in what they created.

On another note, Ive never seen so much support for a club in Down from neutrals as I seen over the weekend regarding Kilcoo. From Mournemen to local rivals, everyone seemed to be rooting for them and Id say they will have a few extra supporters in tow come Ulster Championship time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 05, 2009, 02:59:10 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 05, 2009, 02:28:04 PM
Our lads recorded a handy enough win against the ports in the Joe McCrickard on saturday. 4-14 to 0-12.

Any other results from this high profile competition?

Ballycran won easy in Ballela. 4-18 to 1-5. Liatroim beat Bredagh last week by 4-5 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 05, 2009, 03:01:34 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 05, 2009, 02:42:06 PM
Congratulations to Kilcoo. Their achievements this year have been unreal.

McCorry was very modest after the game and said that all the groundwork for this win had been done years before hand. There's a lot of truth in that and I think that those pioneers of the mid 90's can look back with immense pride in what they created.

On another note, Ive never seen so much support for a club in Down from neutrals as I seen over the weekend regarding Kilcoo. From Mournemen to local rivals, everyone seemed to be rooting for them and Id say they will have a few extra supporters in tow come Ulster Championship time.

that isnt like you down fanatic taking a dig at the 'island at any opportunity  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 05, 2009, 03:07:47 PM
Quote from: maldini on October 05, 2009, 03:01:34 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 05, 2009, 02:42:06 PM
Congratulations to Kilcoo. Their achievements this year have been unreal.

McCorry was very modest after the game and said that all the groundwork for this win had been done years before hand. There's a lot of truth in that and I think that those pioneers of the mid 90's can look back with immense pride in what they created.

On another note, Ive never seen so much support for a club in Down from neutrals as I seen over the weekend regarding Kilcoo. From Mournemen to local rivals, everyone seemed to be rooting for them and Id say they will have a few extra supporters in tow come Ulster Championship time.

that isnt like you down fanatic taking a dig at the 'island at any opportunity  ;)

No dig there at all. I wouldn't berate a team when they're down. Loughinisland have done extremely well to reach two SFC Finals in a row and its something that us lesser clubs could only dream of. Its merely an observation.

Some shite talked on Saturday night  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 05, 2009, 03:19:15 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 05, 2009, 02:59:10 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 05, 2009, 02:28:04 PM
Our lads recorded a handy enough win against the ports in the Joe McCrickard on saturday. 4-14 to 0-12.

Any other results from this high profile competition?

Ballycran won easy in Ballela. 4-18 to 1-5. Liatroim beat Bredagh last week by 4-5 points.

Are Kilclief and Newry still in the mix?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on October 05, 2009, 03:31:31 PM
Congratulation to Kilcoo, fantastic achievement.
Thought the game was poor enough, not helped by an over fussy referee. It could have been a great game if he had let them go at hell for leather, instead of the stop start spectacle that we were treated to.
On yesterday's performance I would't rate Aidan Brannigan as a good club player never mind a county player, that said, it might just have been nerves as quite a number of players played within themselves yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 05, 2009, 03:52:03 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 05, 2009, 03:19:15 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 05, 2009, 02:59:10 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 05, 2009, 02:28:04 PM
Our lads recorded a handy enough win against the ports in the Joe McCrickard on saturday. 4-14 to 0-12.

Any other results from this high profile competition?

Ballycran won easy in Ballela. 4-18 to 1-5. Liatroim beat Bredagh last week by 4-5 points.

Are Kilclief and Newry still in the mix?

Yeah but I don't know when they are playing. Newry don't appear kean to travel to Kilclief! I wonder why?  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 05, 2009, 03:54:22 PM
Quote from: Upperbann on October 05, 2009, 01:26:20 PM
Wobbller, on yesterdays performance i don't see anyone increasing thier chances of any senior county appearance in the near future and thats from both sides, although i'm sure Kilcoo won't give a toss about that at the minute.  As for C Laverty i'm still not convinved - yes he did win ball and there will be few in 'Down' that will cope with him (but other inter County defenders will not be that naive) also he was completely isolated up front - it is very easy to win ball when you have 40 yds of space in either direction infront of you for most of the game - i don't believe he scored from play! but with Jerome now involved there will probably be a few Kilcoo lads called up.

So Down have few defenders that could cope with his pace but that doesn't mean he should be in the down panel?  There is plenty of defenders in other counties who wouldn't fancy marking him either.  I don't think James McCartan will buy the too small argument somehow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on October 05, 2009, 04:16:06 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 05, 2009, 02:59:10 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 05, 2009, 02:28:04 PM
Our lads recorded a handy enough win against the ports in the Joe McCrickard on saturday. 4-14 to 0-12.

Any other results from this high profile competition?

Ballycran won easy in Ballela. 4-18 to 1-5. Liatroim beat Bredagh last week by 4-5 points.

Good win for the galgets thought that game would have been tight. We were destroyed on saturday, crans led 3.14 to 0.1 at half time having played with a strong diagonal wind in the first half. They'd a strong team out with five who started the Senior final and another two who came on as subs playing.
Dissapointing way to finish the season for us, having played 30 or so games in all competitions which was a welcome change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 05, 2009, 08:53:11 PM
Congratulations to Kilcoo.Their hunger is unmatched and they have got a great return from such a small parish.Always hated playing against them and their teams at all levels only want to win, whatever the competition.
On a separate note, if Jerome Johnstone has joined James he will bring a lot but I don't understand where he will fit in with Mc Iver and Tally. Last year I wanted him as minor manager and still think a year or two at that level would prepare him for greater things.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on October 05, 2009, 09:17:05 PM
Thought the most impressive player on show in the SFC was the Kilcoo centre full back, and even he would not be up too Co.standard. There is a bad style of football which has taken hold in Down, which mitigates against the development of positive skills. There is a negativity and petty nastiness in the mindset of players and supporters that is turning young people off the game. Average scores that would have been taken for granted a few short years ago are now hailed as sublime scoring feats. We have taken the fun out of it along with the skill. Actually i am wrong about the Kilcoo CB, with the proper training he could be the answer to our problem position, he is certainly worth a trial. Moan over...its just hard not to be despondent about current standards both within county and wider afield
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 06, 2009, 12:49:26 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on October 05, 2009, 09:17:05 PM
Thought the most impressive player on show in the SFC was the Kilcoo centre full back, and even he would not be up too Co.standard. There is a bad style of football which has taken hold in Down, which mitigates against the development of positive skills. There is a negativity and petty nastiness in the mindset of players and supporters that is turning young people off the game. Average scores that would have been taken for granted a few short years ago are now hailed as sublime scoring feats. We have taken the fun out of it along with the skill. Actually i am wrong about the Kilcoo CB, with the proper training he could be the answer to our problem position, he is certainly worth a trial. Moan over...its just hard not to be despondent about current standards both within county and wider afield
Moan over?
Looking back on all your posts--it's all moan.Your postings are always negative.You do seem generally to know what you're talking about
but try and be a bit more positive.
Lecture over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on October 06, 2009, 02:21:21 AM
Fair point Wobbler, i used to be very optimistic and positive, before Football became Handball, or maybe its just an age thing. Then again if you dont see the faults you cant fix them. But i will take your advice on board and also acknowledge the many good aspects of our association in Down, unfortunately most of these occur off the playing field, and dont seem to engender the interest they deserve on this forum
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on October 06, 2009, 03:49:51 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 05, 2009, 02:59:10 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 05, 2009, 02:28:04 PM
Our lads recorded a handy enough win against the ports in the Joe McCrickard on saturday. 4-14 to 0-12.

Any other results from this high profile competition?

Ballycran won easy in Ballela. 4-18 to 1-5. Liatroim beat Bredagh last week by 4-5 points.
i see liatrom disposed of castleblaney handy enough in the ulster champ; even though there was only three points in it 1-10 of 1-13 came from CB'S free taker. Think all liatrom's forwards got on the score sheet. Should be interesting to see how they do against st gall's on sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 06, 2009, 03:57:51 PM
Bringing up old news here but for all the doubters that had a negative oponion about Marty Clarkes contribution to the round ball when he returned, is 2-04 in one game enough to calm the storm. He is a started for Down no matter what. Its not the first time he has came back and produced the goods either which proves that after a couple of years you dont lose the ability to play with the O'Neills.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 06, 2009, 04:01:31 PM
Marty Clarke proves- class is permanent!
Title: div2 relegation scenario
Post by: goldenyears on October 06, 2009, 05:20:45 PM
am i right in saying that carryduff are now auto relegated from div2? they are 2 points behind shamrocks and even if they win last game + rocks lose their last 2, they still wont be able to make up the score difference - can anyone confirm this??

also is it 3 teams go down ie 2nd, 3rd, and 4th bottom play off with 2 of them joining the bottom club to go down??

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 06, 2009, 05:30:26 PM
Head to heads are used before scoring difference GY. As far as I know Shams beat the Duff both home and away, so Carryduff are down.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 06, 2009, 05:40:37 PM
Think it is second bottom plays third bottom. Loser is down and the winner plays forth bottom. The loser in this case is down. This way rather than a mini league. I think its wrong that three should go down. I would think the teams currently in div 2 are much stronger that those coming up. There will be big battles down at the bottom of div 2 over the next few weeks.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on October 06, 2009, 06:07:26 PM
Quote from: When We Win on October 06, 2009, 05:40:37 PM
Think it is second bottom plays third bottom. Loser is down and the winner plays forth bottom. The loser in this case is down. This way rather than a mini league. I think its wrong that three should go down. I would think the teams currently in div 2 are much stronger that those coming up. There will be big battles down at the bottom of div 2 over the next few weeks.



You're probably right about the teams going down from division 2 being stronger but there is only one team getting promoted from div 3, so that they can decrease the size of divisions to ten teams. This may lead to some hammerings next year when the team up from div 3 plays the teams down from div 1 but it should hopefully even itself out within a few years time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 06, 2009, 08:53:40 PM
The outcome of tonights game in Div 2 - Kilclief v Annaclone in Tullylish - will have a big impact on who will be in the promotion play offs and the relegation playoffs

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 06, 2009, 09:19:56 PM
Quote from: When We Win on October 06, 2009, 05:40:37 PM
Think it is second bottom plays third bottom. Loser is down and the winner plays forth bottom. The loser in this case is down. This way rather than a mini league. I think its wrong that three should go down. I would think the teams currently in div 2 are much stronger that those coming up. There will be big battles down at the bottom of div 2 over the next few weeks.

the format is that the 3 teams in 2nd, 3rd and 4th bottom are in a round robin format. there is a draw to see who plays in the first match, with the loser playing the 3rd team in the next game, with a final game involving the 2 teams that have not played. a team will need to win both of their games to stay up.
Title: ACFL Div 2
Post by: No1 on October 06, 2009, 09:24:43 PM
Kilclief beat Annaclone 1-13 to 0-9 in Tullylish tonight.

Much needed victory for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 06, 2009, 09:32:10 PM
What way does that leave Div 2? are Carryduff automatically down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 06, 2009, 09:38:30 PM
Interesting result.

Carryduff are definitely relegated with Shamrocks and Glassdrumman pretty much 99% likely in the relegation play offs and the third team either Darragh Cross or Kilclief with Darragh Cross the most likely.


As for the promotion play offs - An Riocht are in the final and Ballyholland are in the semi but who they will play in the semi is still up for grabs. After tonights result Attical would be favourites again but Annaclone, Ballymartin, Downpatrick and even Kilclief all still have a chance to make 3rd place.

Fascinating league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 06, 2009, 10:43:52 PM
League table for O Neills Down SFL Division 3

Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts

Tullylish  21 15 3 3 338 234 104 33
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Glenn  21 16 3 2 309 215 94 33
Drumgath  21 14 5 2 260 235 25 30
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Dundrum  21 11 6 4 297 232 65 26
Bredagh  21 12 8 1 312 235 77 25
St Johns  21 11 7 3 259 257 2 25
Ardglass  20 9 8 3 296 248 48 20
Saul  21 8 10 3 243 278 -35 19
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Teconnaught  21 7 12 2 215 227 -12 16
St Pauls  20 4 14 2 222 318 -96 10
Drumaness  21 4 16 1 237 301 -64 9
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Aghaderg  21 1 20 0 160 368 -208 2


Remaining Fixtures:

Round 21:
St Pauls v Ardglass

Round 22:
Ardglass  - - St Johns   
Glenn  - - Dundrum   
Drumaness  - - St Pauls   
Bredagh  - - Drumgath   
Teconnaught  - - Tullylish     
Saul  - - Aghaderg 


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 06, 2009, 11:01:34 PM
Fascinating end to season in Div 2.
If Downpatrick win their two games they would be on 24 pts and third place and Kilclief could end up on 24 points as well yet if both lose their two games one of them could be in the mire
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 07, 2009, 09:21:10 AM
Fascinating even more because if you look at past results and the host of teams on 21 points then even Attical could be playing for their survival should they get beaten by Downpatrick and results go with other teams. It amazing that no one between third and ninth are safe. And even a team in the middle of that mix is even more safe than Attical based on previous results. Now why would they want to relegate anyone from this division when we have this sort of entertainment. It going to be an interesting two weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 07, 2009, 09:44:19 AM
Jesus its great to be sobered up. The last 3 days have been what dreams are made off for the gaels off Kilcoo. A brilliant minor team cantered to a county title and after many years off heartbreak we finally got our hands on the Frank OHare cup. Thanks to all fellow posters for their support and for recogonising our wonderful achievement. It is such a wonderful feeling to see this happen. Bring on ST. Eunans.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 07, 2009, 10:10:23 AM
Quote from: norabeag on October 06, 2009, 11:01:34 PM
Fascinating end to season in Div 2.
If Downpatrick win their two games they would be on 24 pts and third place and Kilclief could end up on 24 points as well yet if both lose their two games one of them could be in the mire

Agree with you,norabeag,fascinating,but certainly nerve wracking for the clubs involved.
This again highlights the deficiencies in our current league structures,which have not been addressed by the recent changes.
League position should reflect a teams overall consistency over a season.The promoted teams should be teams that are best equipped to have a decent campaign in the division above,the following year.The relegated teams should be those who have proved over a season that they can't cut it in that division.I'm sure RGU and Kilclief would be browned off,if despite knocking on the door of promotion,their season hinges on their performances over a few saturdays in autumn.If they get dragged into relegation play-offs,and lose 1 match,they will be competing in a league,well below their standard.
Essentially we now have 2 championship type competitions in Autumn,and the rest of the year is almost meaningless.
Loughinisland are a perfect example of this.With their county men,they are a top championship side,without them they will always struggle in Division 1 under the current league system.Having struggled for most of the year,they could survive in Div 1,by virtue of 1 play-off win.Dundrum are another example.Without Paul Mccomiskey they are midtable div 3 at best.With him they are potential intermediate champs,but the reality is he only got to play 1 meaningful match with his clubmates in 2009-does that help develop Dundrum or Paul McComiskey?
In my opinion we would be better having a competitive  league,when county players may not be available(like magniers league in rugby)and then an extended championship (like heiniken cup) from ?August to October,depending on the progress of county teams in the summer.This allows all clubs the opportunity to re-integrate their county players into their club team,for meaningful fixtures.During the year,as many county players as possible should be available to play for their clubs,excluding the 9 day rule,and even then, only the top 25 county players.
This would revitalise the league proper,invigorate the championships,and reduce tensions between county and club managers.
Championship and league grading would be completely seperate-reflecting a team's strength with and without county players respectively.

My strongest objection,is the fact that the league winner has to be involved in playoffs.If An Ríocht fail to win play-off final,it will be ridiculous, as they have proved they are too good for div 2 over the course of the year.Similarly if Bosco,had lost their playoff,it would have made a mockery of their dominant season.Why is it OK to directly relegate the last team,but not directly promote the first team?
The ironic thing about this time of year is that there is more talk about the permutations and combinations and complications,than the actual football itself!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 07, 2009, 10:27:41 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 07, 2009, 09:44:19 AM
Jesus its great to be sobered up. The last 3 days have been what dreams are made off for the gaels off Kilcoo. A brilliant minor team cantered to a county title and after many years off heartbreak we finally got our hands on the Frank OHare cup. Thanks to all fellow posters for their support and for recogonising our wonderful achievement. It is such a wonderful feeling to see this happen. Bring on ST. Eunans.

When and where is st eunan's match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: county colours on October 07, 2009, 11:20:09 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 06, 2009, 05:30:26 PM
Head to heads are used before scoring difference GY. As far as I know Shams beat the Duff both home and away, so Carryduff are down.

Is this definately the case because i know in the past that score difference was used first???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 07, 2009, 11:21:24 AM
A number of things 6th Sam.

1. The league structures aren't perfect, but after the 132 games will be played only one of them will have been a dead rubber, with neither team having anything to play for (Shamrocks v Ballyholland) and in total less than half-a-dozen games with a half a dead rubber, one team having nothing to play for (all in the next 2 series). That is quite remarkable, and something that most sporting leagues in the world would love to have. Nearly every single game in the league series is competitive.

2. Your argument is full of holes. You claim that the league is meaningless up until September. Well it that's the case, how come An Riocht and Ballyholland aren't in the same position as RGU and Kilclief? The most consistent teams over 22 games have no chance of relegation, simple as that.

3. Club football is about club football, not county football. If you spend your whole summer waiting for county players to come back before making it "meaningful", you will simply destroy the game as a sporting activity for the 1,000+ club players in our county. Gaelic Games are summer sports, leave it that way. Your comment on "depending on progress of the county teams in the summer" is downright derogatory to club footballers.

4. Why the league winner has to be involved in play-offs? Well it's quite simple. Finishing top of your section does not make you the league winner, but it does put you in the best position to win the league. Why do so many people have difficulty understanding this? That is your reward for being consistent over the season. Let me tell you this, beating the 2nd/3rd/4th most consistent teams at a neutral venue when they are at full strength is a much better indicator of your team's worthiness for the next tier up, than consistently beating weak teams over the course of a season is.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 07, 2009, 02:28:49 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 07, 2009, 11:21:24 AM
A number of things 6th Sam.

1. The league structures aren't perfect, but after the 132 games will be played only one of them will have been a dead rubber, with neither team having anything to play for (Shamrocks v Ballyholland) and in total less than half-a-dozen games with a half a dead rubber, one team having nothing to play for (all in the next 2 series). That is quite remarkable, and something that most sporting leagues in the world would love to have. Nearly every single game in the league series is competitive.That's part of the problem,the nature of our leagues,and the implication of promotion and relegation,means that the championship is relegated to 2nd place for a number of teams.

2. Your argument is full of holes.A very loose statement-equally it could be argued that the current system is full of holes. You claim that the league is meaningless(fair point-probably an exaggeration on my part) up until September. Well it that's the case, how come An Riocht and Ballyholland aren't in the same position as RGU and Kilclief? The most consistent teams over 22 games have no chance of relegation, simple as that. My point is that the most important attribute of a promoted team ,should be their ability to consistently be competitive in the league above.Perhaps our playoff system is the reason why we have so many yoyo teams in our leagues.St.johns and Glenn for example have been well equipped for div 3,on the back of direct promotion from div 4.

3. Club football is about club football, not county football. If you spend your whole summer waiting for county players to come back before making it "meaningful", you will simply destroy the game as a sporting activity for the 1,000+ club players in our county. Gaelic Games are summer sports, leave it that way. Your comment on "depending on progress of the county teams in the summer" is downright derogatory to club footballers.If you knew my background ,you would not question my loyalty to the club player.On the contrary my desire is to have weekly matches for most club players,in a fixed fixture list drawn up in January.Try telling John Hayes that last week's Magniers clash with Leinster was meaningless,or indeed the non-internationals in the Ulster/Leinster/Munster squads that they are playing in a sham league.I want more club football not less.I just feel that this autumnal fixture chaos ,could be improved upon.The unpredictability or absence of fixtures for most teams in August/September,is avoidable.I thought it was interesting to read the recent article on Liam Doyle who was keen to get injury treatment started,but was going to delay that until after the playoffs.I would argue that the lack of a close season for the likes of Liam,Dan Gordon,Ronan Murtagh,who have been involved in playoffs most seasons,has effected their fitness and freshness for club and county football.I would love to see Down club football start in March and finish late October with County finals weekend.Giving all players a predictable close season,for recovery,holidays etc.

4. Why the league winner has to be involved in play-offs? Well it's quite simple. Finishing top of your section does not make you the league winner, but it does put you in the best position to win the league. Why do so many people have difficulty understanding this? That is your reward for being consistent over the season. Let me tell you this, beating the 2nd/3rd/4th most consistent teams at a neutral venue when they are at full strength is a much better indicator of your team's worthiness for the next tier up, than consistently beating weak teams over the course of a season is.  Again,my point is that the league title is not the goal/reward most teams are after-promotion is the real reward,and ultimately promotion should be about stepping up to the next level,and hopefully pushing on.I have been involved in successful play-off campaigns from 4th to 1st positions,and can vouch for the fact that success from fourth does not leave you equipped for the following season.I fear I will never sell this concept to you wobbler,and have neither the time nor the inclination to get involved in a war of words with you ,as I fear you and I are the only people in Down who have any real interest in it anyway.Maybe I don't understand that Down CB mentality of jealously guarding the status quo,in case the sky might fall in ,if we try to change our ways. .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 07, 2009, 03:13:35 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 07, 2009, 10:27:41 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 07, 2009, 09:44:19 AM
Jesus its great to be sobered up. The last 3 days have been what dreams are made off for the gaels off Kilcoo. A brilliant minor team cantered to a county title and after many years off heartbreak we finally got our hands on the Frank OHare cup. Thanks to all fellow posters for their support and for recogonising our wonderful achievement. It is such a wonderful feeling to see this happen. Bring on ST. Eunans.

When and where is st eunan's match?

In Newry on the first of November.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 07, 2009, 05:24:32 PM
No system is completely fair. However where we are at present is that the county board wanted to reduce the number of teams in Div 1. This has meant we are having to drop teams from the highly competitive div 2. If you look at results in this division anyone can beat anyone, with the exception probably of An Riocht who only lost games when half the team were on stag dos.

Obviously my opinion will count for nothing at this stage because i forgot to say it to the County Board.... but if the county board think the top team in Div 3 is capable of playing in div 2 then they should be proving it by going through a relegation/promotion playoff by playing a team from the div above. This should have been implimented to all divisions.

This will stop any yoyoing effect and the teams will be in the division they deserve to be in. There should be no complaints if they simply are not good enough to compete!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 07, 2009, 07:04:33 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 07, 2009, 02:28:49 PM
That's part of the problem,the nature of our leagues,and the implication of promotion and relegation,means that the championship is relegated to 2nd place for a number of teams.

Am I reading that right?

You want to abolish promotion/relegation?


Quote from: 6th sam on October 07, 2009, 02:28:49 PM
Again,my point is that the league title is not the goal/reward most teams are after-promotion is the real reward,and ultimately promotion should be about stepping up to the next level,and hopefully pushing on.I have been involved in successful play-off campaigns from 4th to 1st positions,and can vouch for the fact that success from fourth does not leave you equipped for the following season.

Now you say promotion is the reward?

What do you want?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Breakforball on October 07, 2009, 07:22:39 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 05, 2009, 02:42:06 PM
Congratulations to Kilcoo. Their achievements this year have been unreal.

McCorry was very modest after the game and said that all the groundwork for this win had been done years before hand. There's a lot of truth in that and I think that those pioneers of the mid 90's can look back with immense pride in what they created.

On another note, Ive never seen so much support for a club in Down from neutrals as I seen over the weekend regarding Kilcoo. From Mournemen to local rivals, everyone seemed to be rooting for them and Id say they will have a few extra supporters in tow come Ulster Championship time.

On behalf of "Break for Ball" I'd like to congratualte Kilcoo on their wonderous achievement at the weekend.

We were delighted to have them on a Team Building Weekend to Donegal during mid July. This was followed up with a Motivational Talk with John O'Mahony, one Saturday evening before their Semi-Final with Burren.

To be fair, Jim McCorry has left no stone unturned in bringing this championship to Kilcoo. Credit to all of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 07, 2009, 08:02:50 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on October 06, 2009, 02:21:21 AM
Fair point Wobbler, i used to be very optimistic and positive, before Football became Handball, or maybe its just an age thing. Then again if you dont see the faults you cant fix them. But i will take your advice on board and also acknowledge the many good aspects of our association in Down, unfortunately most of these occur off the playing field, and dont seem to engender the interest they deserve on this forum

   I'd be interested as to what these aspects are?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on October 08, 2009, 12:10:32 AM
1. The provision of top class sporting,social and recreational facilities, particularly in rural areas
2. the provision of a strong focal point, around which local community and national identities are promoted
3  Scor Sinsear and Scor Na Nog which encourage and provide an outlet for local talent
4. Local people particularly youth are provided with opportunity and a good training ground in the working of committes, which enable them to take ownership off and develop projects within there own communities.
5. The promotion of the Irish language
6 Numerous works of charity, which provide financial aids to deserving groups at home and abroad
7. A meeting place where all social, political, and religious classes can mingle and interact as equals
8 A barrier to the complete anglization of the Country
I could go on Ad Infinitum, and im sure there there are many things you could add, but this will give an indication of what i view as positive
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 08, 2009, 09:16:54 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on October 08, 2009, 12:10:32 AM
1. The provision of top class sporting,social and recreational facilities, particularly in rural areas
2. the provision of a strong focal point, around which local community and national identities are promoted
3  Scor Sinsear and Scor Na Nog which encourage and provide an outlet for local talent
4. Local people particularly youth are provided with opportunity and a good training ground in the working of committes, which enable them to take ownership off and develop projects within there own communities.
5. The promotion of the Irish language
6 Numerous works of charity, which provide financial aids to deserving groups at home and abroad
7. A meeting place where all social, political, and religious classes can mingle and interact as equals
8 A barrier to the complete anglization of the Country
I could go on Ad Infinitum, and im sure there there are many things you could add, but this will give an indication of what i view as positive
I'm with you now.I suppose we tend to look at results to see what the GAA does in our County but maybe that'll
come too under the new Mangement(s) in 2010 although I know you're not happy that Pete isn't involved with the Seniors.
Although you'd agree there is a bit more harmony within Down as opposed to our neighbours in Armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 08, 2009, 11:57:17 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on October 07, 2009, 07:04:33 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 07, 2009, 02:28:49 PM
That's part of the problem,the nature of our leagues,and the implication of promotion and relegation,means that the championship is relegated to 2nd place for a number of teams.

Am I reading that right? NO YOUR NOT READING IT RIGHT!

You want to abolish promotion/relegation?

MY POINT IS THAT THE PLAYOFF SYSTEM IN IT'S CURRENT FORM,MEANS THAT FOR MOST CLUBS,IRREGULAR FIXTURES AT THIS TIME OF YEAR,AND LONG GAPS BETWEEN GAMES WHEN COUNTY PLAYERS ARE AVAILABLE ,COULD BE IMPROVED UPON,WITH A BIT OF IMAGINATION.AN EXTENDED CHAMPIONSHIP,WITH A "B" COMPETITION,WOULD KEEP ALL CLUBS ACTIVE AT THIS TIME OF YEAR,(WHEN ALL COUNTY PLAYERS ARE AVAILABLE),EXCEPT FOR SEMI-FINALS WEEKEND WHEN ONLY HALF CLUBS WOULD BE INACTIVE,AND FINALS WEEKEND BEING THE ONLY WEEKEND WHEN MORE THAN HALF THE CLUBS ARE INACTIVE.I WOULD ALSO PUT A ROUND OF FIXTURES ON ALL-IRELAND WEEKEND,WITH THE ONUS ON CLUBS THAT GO TO KILMACUD,BRINGING THEIR  FIXTURE FORWARD,RATHER THAN LOSE A FULL ROUND OF FIXTURES.I WOULD ALSO REWARD AND PUNISH 1ST AND LAST WITH DIRECT RELEGATION,AND HAVE ONLY 1 PLAYOFF DAY BETWEEN 2ND AND 3RD FOR PROMOTION AND 2ND AND 3RD LAST FOR RELEGATION-NOT A MAJOR CHANGE,BUT CERTAINLY PREDICTABLE,GIVING A FIXED CLOSE SEASON.


Quote from: 6th sam on October 07, 2009, 02:28:49 PM
Again,my point is that the league title is not the goal/reward most teams are after-promotion is the real reward,and ultimately promotion should be about stepping up to the next level,and hopefully pushing on.I have been involved in successful play-off campaigns from 4th to 1st positions,and can vouch for the fact that success from fourth does not leave you equipped for the following season.

Now you say promotion is the reward?SEE ABOVE,THE MOST CONSISTENT TEAM SHOULD BE REWARDED,AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PROMOTED TEAMS ARE EQUIPPED FOR THE DIVISION ABOVE,ON A WEEK TO WEEK BASIS.A TEAM THAT SCRAPES INTO 4TH POSITION AT THE LAST MOMENT,CAN GAIN MOMENTUM AND BE SUCCESFUL,BUT BE ILL-EQUIPPED FOR A CONSISTENT LEAGUE CAMPAIGN THE FOLLOWING SEASON.
What do you want?REGULAR FIXED FIXTURE LIST FOR ALL,TO ALLOW PARTICULARLY SMALLER CLUBS A CHANCE TO PLAN.ALSO,THAT ALL COUNTY MEN SHOULD BE PLAYING FOR THEIR CLUBS ALMOST EVERY WEEK AT THIS TIME OF YEAR,AND THAT WE HAVE A RIGID CLOSE SEASON FOR RECOVERY OF PLAYERS,MENTORS,REFEREES AND PITCHES.THE MINOR CHANGES TO THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR ARE A STEP IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION.A FEW MORE LEAGUE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD HELP FURTHER.A CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FORMAT FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP MAY BE A BRIDGE TOO FAR,BUT INTRODUCING A "B" CHAMPIONSHIP,WOULD GIVE ALL CLUBS AT LEAST 1 EXTRA CHAMPIONSHIP FIXTURE,AND HELP COUNTY BOARD COFFERS.THE KILMACUD SOLUTION ALSO HELPS CONSISTENT FIXTURES IN SEPTEMBER,AND THE FIXED SINGLE PLAYOFF DAY,HELPS ENSURE A RIGID CLOSE SEASON TO HELP PRE-PLANNING AND RECOVERY.NONE OF THESE CHANGES ARE MAJOR,SO SHOULD MEET THE APPROVAL OF EVEN THE MOST CONSERVATIVE
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 08, 2009, 09:50:51 PM
I went to watch the Bryansford v An Riocht friendly tonight & it is such a pleasure to be able to watch Martin Clarke on a GAA pitch, the lad's distribution & free taking really was text book stuff tonight.
In the 2nd half he was lining a free up from about 50 yards out, while everyone was expecting him to slot it over the bar as he had done in the 1st half, he cheekily kicked it short & ran after it himself, picked it up & proceeded to shoot for a point from closer range only to be blown up by the Bryansford ref for what I can only think was that the ball didn't travel 13 metres, great to see a little bit of natural craft/cuteness returning to Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on October 08, 2009, 09:58:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 07, 2009, 11:21:24 AM
A number of things 6th Sam.

1. The league structures aren't perfect, but after the 132 games will be played only one of them will have been a dead rubber, with neither team having anything to play for (Shamrocks v Ballyholland) and in total less than half-a-dozen games with a half a dead rubber, one team having nothing to play for (all in the next 2 series). That is quite remarkable, and something that most sporting leagues in the world would love to have. Nearly every single game in the league series is competitive.

2. Your argument is full of holes. You claim that the league is meaningless up until September. Well it that's the case, how come An Riocht and Ballyholland aren't in the same position as RGU and Kilclief? The most consistent teams over 22 games have no chance of relegation, simple as that.

3. Club football is about club football, not county football. If you spend your whole summer waiting for county players to come back before making it "meaningful", you will simply destroy the game as a sporting activity for the 1,000+ club players in our county. Gaelic Games are summer sports, leave it that way. Your comment on "depending on progress of the county teams in the summer" is downright derogatory to club footballers.

4. Why the league winner has to be involved in play-offs? Well it's quite simple. Finishing top of your section does not make you the league winner, but it does put you in the best position to win the league. Why do so many people have difficulty understanding this? That is your reward for being consistent over the season. Let me tell you this, beating the 2nd/3rd/4th most consistent teams at a neutral venue when they are at full strength is a much better indicator of your team's worthiness for the next tier up, than consistently beating weak teams over the course of a season is.   

Wobbly, as far as point 4 is concerned I have to disagree.  What is the reward??  I can see your point but IMHO the best team over the course of a season is the team that comes first.  What happens if you come 1st after 20 odd games, your players are injured or fatigued after the effort over that season and you get beaten by the team that comes 4th? Not a very fair reflection on your efforts is it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 08, 2009, 10:11:59 PM
I'll give you an example andunabu.

This season Ballyholland played 4 games at the start of the season without their 3 under-21s, then in the region of 6 games without their 2 county seniors, and even more than that again without their 2 minors.

To the best of my knowledge, the only An Riocht player missing during this time was Brendan McVeigh.

Is that enough enforced absenteeism for us to blame the 9 pts deficit between the sides on? Definitely not. But at the same time, nor is it fair to declare An Riocht as outright league champions for winning a league series that so often was played understrength.

Given that they've been the most consistent team all summer, they have earned the right to the easiest passage to promotion. But teams that provide county players earn the right to a fair hearing too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 08, 2009, 10:39:36 PM
What about a bit of outside the box thinking here. The GAA is a community game for the parish. Therefore why do county players put their county second to club games. This will probably open a can of worms here but i dont remember too many frank mcguigans, micky lindans, dj kanes, wee james', kieran mcgeeneys, peter canavans, henry downeys, tony scullions, etc saying to their clubs 'sorry cant play in the next two weeks, i have a county game'. In this county it should be left to a player to decide if he wants to play club five days before a league game, even championship for that matter. Players ae too pampered. I wouldnt expect County palyers to have to play on friday then for down on sunday but getting two weeks nearly is ridiculous. why not m
offer the teams the option to play on a wednesday. Dont go mad at me here now, but small changes dont work. Make bloody big ones instead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 08, 2009, 10:49:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 08, 2009, 10:11:59 PM
I'll give you an example andunabu.

This season Ballyholland played 4 games at the start of the season without their 3 under-21s, then in the region of 6 games without their 2 county seniors, and even more than that again without their 2 minors.

To the best of my knowledge, the only An Riocht player missing during this time was Brendan McVeigh.

Is that enough enforced absenteeism for us to blame the 9 pts deficit between the sides on? Definitely not. But at the same time, nor is it fair to declare An Riocht as outright league champions for winning a league series that so often was played understrength.

Given that they've been the most consistent team all summer, they have earned the right to the easiest passage to promotion. But teams that provide county players earn the right to a fair hearing too.

I respect that that is probably the crucial difference between us wobbler.Being declared as league champions is no big deal to most,the reward that they want is promotion should it be in 1st or 2nd place.The league trophy is a small bonus.I would be more concerned about getting the season over so that I could recover and plan ,for the following year in the league above.I don't want to be disrespectful wobbler,but as  has been proved before,Ballyholland have to play understrength so often,in Div 1 as well,inevitably get caught in the bottom 4,and suffer relegation.I know that some in your club feel this perpetual end of season play-off uncertainty has hindered your development as a club.Perhaps an extended championship when your county men are available,and a fixed close season could be the catalyst Ballyholland needs to go the next level,which I feel you deserve,given your contribution to county squads and your recent underage strength.I am genuinely interested to know,if you were to be given a choice between being 2009 Div 2 champs,and Div 1 survival in 2010-which would you choose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on October 08, 2009, 11:47:55 PM
Agree totally with WhenYouWin, competitive club games are better than meaningless challenge games or enforced inactivity. Co.Players want and need to be playing football, particularly for their clubs. These starred games are a fairly recent innovation and have not be shown to be beneficial
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on October 08, 2009, 11:50:37 PM
Surely every player worth his salt wants to play in the top division and be succesfull.

The whole idea of the play offs was to give the club players games on a consistant basis whilst its not perfect its the fairest system to all concerned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 09, 2009, 08:17:46 AM
Kilcoo v Loughinisland Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XabYZ9ou01E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XabYZ9ou01E)

We will be going the junior and intermediate finals as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 09, 2009, 09:19:40 AM
Quote from: angermanagement on October 08, 2009, 11:50:37 PM
Surely every player worth his salt wants to play in the top division and be succesfull.

The whole idea of the play offs was to give the club players games on a consistant basis whilst its not perfect its the fairest system to all concerned.

Let's be clear here,the playoffs this year are top 3 anyway.The only change I am proposing is that there is 1 less relegation playoff place,and that the winner is automatically promoted.Either 1 of these would be a further improvement on top of last year's changes,so that the fixtures secretary can provide a rigid fixture list.In addition my Kilmacud proposal,and "B" Championship will ensure more regular football for all in September.Our fixture list is fairly rigid until August,and thankfully there are no longer squeezed in matches in April/May.Further development would give club and county players the opportunity to plan ahead with holidays,work  committments,etc.The reason why I am so obsessed with the club fixtures is I have watched so many players and mentors give up GAA because they can not plan at this time of year-particularly those with family and work committments.The fixtures secretary has  listened to previous arguments and definitely made improvements over the last couple of years,and a few further improvements,could ensure a rigid season long fixture list for all.
Pangur Ban,I take your point about the starred games,but they are a necessary evil.I think it is reasonable however to have a round of club fixtures the weekend before an NFL fixture.The danger is if you make the gap between club and county games smaller,you could have some county players choosing not to play for risk of injury.This already happens in soccer when ironically players appear to cry off from international games,to rest for their clubs!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 09, 2009, 09:23:49 AM
Good video highlights. Based on them I want to run a competition. Number 24 is highly entertaining to watch. So lets see who can predict how many times he does Head, Mouth, Nose, Neck. Watch and you'l understand. He must think he is going bald!!! He actually reminds me of that guy that jumped into the Utd team photo.

No. 24 I applaud your fine efforts to find your head, and the disbelief shown when your not entirely sure if its there or not. Looks like you might have been on te drink early!!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 09, 2009, 09:41:41 AM
Pangur Ban,I take your point about the starred games,but they are a necessary evil.I think it is reasonable however to have a round of club fixtures the weekend before an NFL fixture.The danger is if you make the gap between club and county games smaller,you could have some county players choosing not to play for risk of injury.This already happens in soccer when ironically players appear to cry off from international games,to rest for their clubs!
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Players should not be chosing County before club. My point earlier is what type of breed are the county players that they are worried about injury. Just get on with it. Helping the club fulfill the aim to be the best should come first. The problem now is that club does not mean enought. With county your getting expenses, free gear, media publicity, better job prospects could be argued, an element of fame, etc. What does the 15 guys left in the club get for having to go that extra mile for survival in difficult games without starred players. They are the ones competing outside of their limits and getting injured.

I knew boys playing two level of under age football, schools, reserves and in some case seniors and they were still in uniforms. They didnt care about getting hurt playing for reservce when they should have been thinking about the Rannafast or Herold Cups. Take a leaf county players and Man-Up yourselves and lets get on with fair competitions. In leagues the winner is champions, the losers are relegated.

Look in division 2. Glassdrummon and Darragh Cross to the best of my knowledge do not have county players so why should they have a playoff. They havent been crippled with starred palyers. So why would either of these teams need play-offs?

Chelsea and Arsenal do not demand playoff games when their players head of to Africian Cup for a month.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 09, 2009, 10:20:23 AM
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Quote from: When We Win on October 09, 2009, 09:41:41 AM
Pangur Ban,I take your point about the starred games,but they are a necessary evil.I think it is reasonable however to have a round of club fixtures the weekend before an NFL fixture.The danger is if you make the gap between club and county games smaller,you could have some county players choosing not to play for risk of injury.This already happens in soccer when ironically players appear to cry off from international games,to rest for their clubs!


Players should not be chosing County before club. My point earlier is what type of breed are the county players that they are worried about injury. Just get on with it. Helping the club fulfill the aim to be the best should come first. The problem now is that club does not mean enought. With county your getting expenses, free gear, media publicity, better job prospects could be argued, an element of fame, etc. What does the 15 guys left in the club get for having to go that extra mile for survival in difficult games without starred players. They are the ones competing outside of their limits and getting injured.

I knew boys playing two level of under age football, schools, reserves and in some case seniors and they were still in uniforms. They didnt care about getting hurt playing for reservce when they should have been thinking about the Rannafast or Herold Cups. Take a leaf county players and Man-Up yourselves and lets get on with fair competitions. In leagues the winner is champions, the losers are relegated.

Look in division 2. Glassdrummon and Darragh Cross to the best of my knowledge do not have county players so why should they have a playoff. They havent been crippled with starred palyers. So why would either of these teams need play-offs?

Chelsea and Arsenal do not demand playoff games when their players head of to Africian Cup for a month.
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are you suggesting that teams in relegation play offs should be relegated automatically based on whether they have county players or not?

crazy idea 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 09, 2009, 10:55:00 AM
Quote from: When We Win on October 09, 2009, 09:41:41 AM
Pangur Ban,I take your point about the starred games,but they are a necessary evil.I think it is reasonable however to have a round of club fixtures the weekend before an NFL fixture.The danger is if you make the gap between club and county games smaller,you could have some county players choosing not to play for risk of injury.This already happens in soccer when ironically players appear to cry off from international games,to rest for their clubs!

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Players should not be chosing County before club. My point earlier is what type of breed are the county players that they are worried about injury. Just get on with it. Helping the club fulfill the aim to be the best should come first. The problem now is that club does not mean enought. With county your getting expenses, free gear, media publicity, better job prospects could be argued, an element of fame, etc. What does the 15 guys left in the club get for having to go that extra mile for survival in difficult games without starred players. They are the ones competing outside of their limits and getting injured.

I knew boys playing two level of under age football, schools, reserves and in some case seniors and they were still in uniforms. They didnt care about getting hurt playing for reservce when they should have been thinking about the Rannafast or Herold Cups. Take a leaf county players and Man-Up yourselves and lets get on with fair competitions. In leagues the winner is champions, the losers are relegated.

Look in division 2. Glassdrummon and Darragh Cross to the best of my knowledge do not have county players so why should they have a playoff. They havent been crippled with starred palyers. So why would either of these teams need play-offs?

Chelsea and Arsenal do not demand playoff games when their players head of to Africian Cup for a month.

If they did not have playoff's Darragh Cross would not be in a relegation playoff as they would be 4th bottom.  Should Shamrocks be immune from relegation even though they may finish 2nd bottom as they have players in the county squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 09, 2009, 12:03:25 PM
Why is it a crazy idea to not relegate a team which has no county players for failing to perform over 22 game. Why give them one extra game in the hope luck goes with them and they survive?

As for ammune Shamrocks, no i dont think they should be ammune nor should they be disadvantaged because they did not have a full compliment of players. But my point goes hand in hand with my arguement that these players would not have missed games if they took away the starred players system or reduced it to say 5 days and replaced a friday game with a monday game. I dont know how many of the Newry palyers were on county duty this year, maybe someone can enlighten me. But i do not believe very many were used to often. A panel player not getting a run out for the county should be allowed to play five days before a game. Lets be honest here, they will know if they are likely to start for Down or not or even play a small part.

If the starred system is to give time to recover then this is pointless as most injuries in football take longer than 11 days to recover from. If the starred system time was reduced and players decided not to play for the club then the club should live with the consequences. It should always be Club before County, no exceptions.

If county players wanted they could change this rule. What would the county board do, tell clarke to go back to Oz, tell coulter he's too old? But for the majority they wont becuase the do put county before club. League games are no more difficult than in-squad county training matches, where every player is out to paly so hard to make an impression they are more likely to cause injury each other.

Darragh Cross are in a county final having come through the difficult half of the draw by a long way. This shows they must be a very good team. They are in a bad position in the league based on poor league results. They have no county players but may have had a lot of injuries  to key men. Dispite this they stayed out of the bottom three. I think it would be a shame if they went down when they have dug deep and played hard to get their success this year. Losing good key club ment is no different to losing a county man. Sure we all agree there are better players in club football than on the county. Its a squad game. Kinda lost my trail of thought here on this las point but i am sure you get the point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on October 09, 2009, 03:58:49 PM
Anyone any betting for the intermediate and junior finals this sunday??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 09, 2009, 06:30:10 PM
Quote from: souljaboy on October 09, 2009, 03:58:49 PM
Anyone any betting for the intermediate and junior finals this sunday??

I bet BC won't be sober for a week if things go according to plan  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on October 09, 2009, 06:44:52 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 09, 2009, 06:30:10 PM
Quote from: souljaboy on October 09, 2009, 03:58:49 PM
Anyone any betting for the intermediate and junior finals this sunday??

I bet BC won't be sober for a week if things go according to plan  ;)

Heres hopin dundrumite!!
Title: ACFL Div 2
Post by: No1 on October 10, 2009, 05:32:12 PM
Kilclief beat Shamrocks 1-10 to 1-09.  8 minutes of injury time!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on October 10, 2009, 05:40:39 PM
Warrenpoint 0-08 Kilcoo 6-10.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downboy on October 10, 2009, 06:34:57 PM
Good win No1. That should at least take away the relegation threat and still a chance of top3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 10, 2009, 09:03:51 PM
Are Shamrocks safe from automatic relegation? One interpretation of the county bye laws is that is teams end up on equal points then it depends on head to head games and if they are one game each then it goes to point difference on those two games. If this is indeed the case then Shamrocks beat Carryduff in one game by a much greater margin that Carryduff beat them in the other game.

Another view is that its head to head only and not point difference. If this is the case then technically Carryduff are not relegated yet.

My understanding is that its the first interpretation and therefore Carryduff are relegated but other people are saying its the second interpretation. Can any one clear this up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on October 11, 2009, 02:34:52 PM
Junior Championship Final Latest

Glenn 0-3
Teconnaught 0-2

(10 mins)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on October 11, 2009, 02:48:34 PM
Junior Championship Final Latest

Glenn 0-8
Teconnaught 0-4

(half-time)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on October 11, 2009, 02:53:00 PM
Good job John Martin - keep her coming. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on October 11, 2009, 03:10:41 PM
Junior Championship Final Latest

Glenn 1-9
Teconnaught 0-6

(10 mins into 2nd half)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on October 11, 2009, 03:16:12 PM
Junior Championship Final Latest

Glenn 1-11
Teconnaught 1-6

(15 mins into 2nd half)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on October 11, 2009, 03:28:30 PM
Junior Championship Final Latest

Glenn 1-12
Teconnaught 1-8

(5 mins left)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on October 11, 2009, 03:34:21 PM
Junior Championship Final Result

Glenn 1-12
Teconnaught 1-8

Glenn had a man sent off near the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on October 11, 2009, 04:53:09 PM
Intermediate Championship Final Latest

Ballymartin 0-3
Darragh Cross 0-4

(half time)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on October 11, 2009, 05:03:00 PM
Thanks John, keep the updates comin!
C'mon Darragh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on October 11, 2009, 05:31:37 PM
Intermediate Championship Final Result

Ballymartin 0-15
Darragh Cross 0-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 11, 2009, 06:27:44 PM
Predicition League update

Still  2 outstanding final games of PRFC and RFC left

Latest leaders

33 Bacon
33 DownFanatic
32 Mid Down Gael
31 Johnnie99
31 Souljaboy
30 behind the wire
30 Green + Gold
30 off the laces
30 Square Ball
30 thewobbler
30 True Blue
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 11, 2009, 07:26:23 PM
JFC game was quite entertaining. Glenn were always going to win it and Mattie Bagnall was superb up front. Teconnaught's lack of threat in their forward line was a big hindrance. Glenn can play better than this and they may sneak a good run in Ulster.

IFC game was one of the most boring games Ive ever seen. Ballymartin went to town in the 2nd half. Darragh really missed the boat this year. I cant see Ballymartin troubling too many in Ulster though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 11, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
Bredagh and Kilcoo had a hard-fought draw today in the All County Minor league.After the demolition job Kilcoo did on the 'Point last week and a heavy defeat that Bredagh shipped in Mayobridge in the first round of the ACML, this was a superb Bredagh performance, considering they rested their 4 key under 16s in advance of Wednesday night's replay between the same teams in the ACU16 s/f.It took a last minute point from Darragh O'Hanlon to rescue the Magpies and leaves the group interesting. It is very strange that Bredagh had no representation on the minor panel as there were at least 6 players today who should have been there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on October 11, 2009, 08:22:47 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on October 11, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
It is very strange that Bredagh had no representation on the minor panel as there were at least 6 players today who should have been there.

Think you may be getting ahead of yourself there.  By my reckoning there was only four.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leg End on October 11, 2009, 09:42:43 PM
was there video highlights like there was for the senior final last week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 11, 2009, 09:46:06 PM
Quote from: Leg End on October 11, 2009, 09:42:43 PM
was there video highlights like there was for the senior final last week

Think there will be, AMallon posted a while ago saying there would be
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 11, 2009, 11:20:18 PM
very disappointed with the intermediate final. could not believe how poor darragh cross was in the second half. they must be feeling it now, second year in a row.
Title: ACFL Div 2
Post by: No1 on October 12, 2009, 08:52:10 AM
Kilclief's game with Shamrocks on Saturday was a re-fixture. 

Originally this was a starred game, if the Shams played their county men on Saturday past did they break any rules?

Congrats to Ballymartin in the IFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 12, 2009, 09:02:25 AM
QuoteOriginally this was a starred game, if the Shams played their county men on Saturday past did they break any rules?

If Ross Carr prevented anyone from playing in that series of fixtures, then yes - although probably only Damien Rafferty would have made the excluded list.

We've got sting like this a couple of times in the past.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 12, 2009, 09:18:13 AM
What's the penalty wobbs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 12, 2009, 09:38:51 AM
Automatic relegation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 12, 2009, 10:27:41 AM
According to the byelaws:

"Breach of the foregoing regulation shall result in forfeiture of game(s) to the opposing team(s)."

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 12, 2009, 10:47:54 AM
So f**k all then as we beat them!   ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 12, 2009, 11:33:03 AM
SFL Round 21;
Bryansford 0.17 Loughinisland 2.09

Poor game - Island will go down on this form. Anyway a team with 9 points should go automatically (imo).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 12, 2009, 11:58:16 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 12, 2009, 10:47:54 AM
So f**k all then as we beat them!   ::)

I take it the shams never appeared again for the Joe McCrickard cup game then No1!!


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downboy on October 12, 2009, 01:02:59 PM
Just in case you havent seen them. National league seems to be finalised
Sun 7/2 Away to Kildare
Sat 13/2 Home to Meath
Sat 6/3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downboy on October 12, 2009, 01:05:31 PM
oops

Just in case you havent seen them. National league seems to be finalised
Sun 7/2 Away to Kildare
Sat 13/2 Home to Meath
Sat 6/3 Home to Tipp
Sat 13/3 Away Donegal
Sat 20/3 Home POR's Armagh
Sat 28/3 Away Westmeath
Sun 11/4 Home Laois
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on October 12, 2009, 01:24:19 PM
4 home games, with 3 aways in Kildare, Donegal and Westmeath. Nice to have Armagh and POR in Newry on a Saturday night and a guaranteed seat with a season ticket.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downboy on October 12, 2009, 01:34:12 PM
Its not the worst set of fixtures and as you say the 20th March will be one to look forward to
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFan2010 on October 12, 2009, 02:47:57 PM
Any word on when these trial games are due to take place? any players opting out this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 12, 2009, 03:27:34 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 12, 2009, 01:24:19 PM
4 home games, with 3 aways in Kildare, Donegal and Westmeath. Nice to have Armagh and POR in Newry on a Saturday night and a guaranteed seat with a season ticket.

Are the season tickets for the league out yet? How much are they this season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 12, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: DownFan2010 on October 12, 2009, 02:47:57 PM
Any word on when these trial games are due to take place? any players opting out this year?

Think i'l opt out this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 12, 2009, 05:19:40 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 11, 2009, 06:27:44 PM
Predicition League update

Still  2 outstanding final games of PRFC and RFC left

Latest leaders

33 Bacon
33 DownFanatic
32 Mid Down Gael
31 Johnnie99
31 Souljaboy
30 behind the wire
30 Green + Gold
30 off the laces
30 Square Ball
30 thewobbler
30 True Blue

Hope Bacon or DF win, dont want those Kilcoo ones to win everything FFS ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on October 12, 2009, 08:24:29 PM
Quote from: DownFan2010 on October 12, 2009, 02:47:57 PM
Any word on when these trial games are due to take place? any players opting out this year?

Apparently Wee James is holding them in the Canal Court next Friday. No players are being invited but the managers of all the football teams are. Strange but true!

Bacon - Joint leader of the Down Predictions League!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 12, 2009, 09:31:11 PM
QuoteApparently Wee James is holding them in the Canal Court next Friday. No players are being invited but the managers of all the football teams are. Strange but true!

That's a pity, some of the players have performed better in the Canal Court of an evening than they ever managed on the pitch!  :P

Johnneycool - God himself couldn't tell ya when that hurling fixture will be played!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 13, 2009, 09:59:01 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 12, 2009, 05:19:40 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 11, 2009, 06:27:44 PM
Predicition League update

Still  2 outstanding final games of PRFC and RFC left

Latest leaders

33 Bacon
33 DownFanatic
32 Mid Down Gael
31 Johnnie99
31 Souljaboy
30 behind the wire
30 Green + Gold
30 off the laces
30 Square Ball
30 thewobbler
30 True Blue

Hope Bacon or DF win, dont want those Kilcoo ones to win everything FFS ;) ;)

I wont be winning anyway as Down Fanatic has same predictions as me for Sundays finals and is a point ahead. Think it will come down to the reserve final between him and Bacon as the latter has the town predicted and DF has gone for the magpies. Cant see anything other than a Bridge success in premier reserve.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 13, 2009, 12:00:46 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on October 11, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
Bredagh and Kilcoo had a hard-fought draw today in the All County Minor league.After the demolition job Kilcoo did on the 'Point last week and a heavy defeat that Bredagh shipped in Mayobridge in the first round of the ACML, this was a superb Bredagh performance, considering they rested their 4 key under 16s in advance of Wednesday night's replay between the same teams in the ACU16 s/f.It took a last minute point from Darragh O'Hanlon to rescue the Magpies and leaves the group interesting. It is very strange that Bredagh had no representation on the minor panel as there were at least 6 players today who should have been there.

   To completely understand your point you'd need to have the names of the six players that were on the panel that shouldn't have been to allow your six a place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 13, 2009, 12:13:56 PM
Ive the bunting up, the kerbs painted, the flags on the gable walls and the sheep decorated as I prepare to become the first ever man to retain the Down Championships Prediction League  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 13, 2009, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 13, 2009, 12:13:56 PM
Ive the bunting up, the kerbs painted, the flags on the gable walls and the sheep decorated as I prepare to become the first ever man to retain the Down Championships Prediction League  ;D

  Never mind the fame and the plaudits that will surely come your way.Did you make any money at the Bookies with your predictions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 13, 2009, 12:52:39 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 13, 2009, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 13, 2009, 12:13:56 PM
Ive the bunting up, the kerbs painted, the flags on the gable walls and the sheep decorated as I prepare to become the first ever man to retain the Down Championships Prediction League  ;D

  Never mind the fame and the plaudits that will surely come your way.Did you make any money at the Bookies with your predictions?

In a word - no.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 13, 2009, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 13, 2009, 12:52:39 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 13, 2009, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 13, 2009, 12:13:56 PM
Ive the bunting up, the kerbs painted, the flags on the gable walls and the sheep decorated as I prepare to become the first ever man to retain the Down Championships Prediction League  ;D

  Never mind the fame and the plaudits that will surely come your way.Did you make any money at the Bookies with your predictions?

In a word - no.

  Oh dear!  Maybe next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on October 13, 2009, 10:43:25 PM
Any news on the managerial merry-go-round for 2010? Who is going where, who is staying put?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 14, 2009, 09:36:38 AM
Division 1 result from last night in Newry

Kilcoo 2-16 Saval 0-6.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 14, 2009, 10:12:36 AM
Sorry lads our camera man couldn't make the Junior and Int finals so we won't have highlights.

Mid Down - What were the celebrations like in Kilcoo?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on October 14, 2009, 10:38:00 AM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 13, 2009, 10:43:25 PM
Any news on the managerial merry-go-round for 2010? Who is going where, who is staying put?

heard there is to be a change at st.pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on October 14, 2009, 10:51:00 AM
Bit of news going about that Frank Dawson is interested in taking Mayobridge next year.  Dont know how true this is though. 

Has anyone else heard this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 14, 2009, 11:36:33 AM
Quote from: amallon on October 14, 2009, 10:12:36 AM
Sorry lads our camera man couldn't make the Junior and Int finals so we won't have highlights.

Mid Down - What were the celebrations like in Kilcoo?

Absolutly wild. It went on well into the week with few men not out to work until Thursday while some made a week off it in the pubs. It was a great week for us and you would have thought drink was going out off fashion. Its a great feeling winning a county senior championship as you know to well. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on October 14, 2009, 11:41:43 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 14, 2009, 09:36:38 AM
Division 1 result from last night in Newry

Kilcoo 2-16 Saval 0-6.

Some result for Kilcoo last night.  Who showed up well last night Mid Down?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 14, 2009, 11:46:50 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on October 14, 2009, 10:38:00 AM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 13, 2009, 10:43:25 PM
Any news on the managerial merry-go-round for 2010? Who is going where, who is staying put?

heard there is to be a change at st.pauls

that is the first i heard of it!! you would probably be best waiting until you know more before making statements like that, or at least waiting until the season is actually over!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on October 14, 2009, 12:42:50 PM
Rumour has it theres to be a few changes. Dawson leaving the stone (No Supprise), and the chance of a new Mayobridge manager?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 14, 2009, 01:06:46 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on October 14, 2009, 11:41:43 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 14, 2009, 09:36:38 AM
Division 1 result from last night in Newry

Kilcoo 2-16 Saval 0-6.

Some result for Kilcoo last night.  Who showed up well last night Mid Down?

Just a good all round team performance with Conor Laverty, Paul Greenan and Anthony Devlin particulary outstanding. We where without Aidan Brannigan while Nial Morgan, Barry Kane and Brian OHanlon where rested.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 14, 2009, 01:09:10 PM
have heard on good standing that John McEntee is the new manager at Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on October 14, 2009, 01:14:21 PM
Former Louth manager Eamon McEneaney is rumoured to be taking over at one of the big clubs in Down, it was mentioned on LMFM yesterday. They`ll need to have deep pockets.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 14, 2009, 04:02:17 PM
Did Saval give Kilcoo a guard of honour last night for being county champions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on October 14, 2009, 04:05:56 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 14, 2009, 01:14:21 PM
Former Louth manager Eamon McEneaney is rumoured to be taking over at one of the big clubs in Down, it was mentioned on LMFM yesterday. They`ll need to have deep pockets.
Have heard McEneaney is interested in the bridge job although i also heard Dawson wanted the bridge job aswell!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on October 14, 2009, 05:20:30 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 14, 2009, 04:02:17 PM
Did Saval give Kilcoo a guard of honour last night for being county champions?

WTF    ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on October 14, 2009, 06:28:49 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 14, 2009, 11:36:33 AM
Quote from: amallon on October 14, 2009, 10:12:36 AM
Sorry lads our camera man couldn't make the Junior and Int finals so we won't have highlights.

Mid Down - What were the celebrations like in Kilcoo?

Absolutly wild. It went on well into the week with few men not out to work until Thursday while some made a week off it in the pubs. It was a great week for us and you would have thought drink was going out off fashion. Its a great feeling winning a county senior championship as you know to well.

f**k you kilcoo ones can drink!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on October 14, 2009, 07:13:04 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 14, 2009, 04:02:17 PM
Did Saval give Kilcoo a guard of honour last night for being county champions?

The point did on saturday
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 15, 2009, 12:21:48 AM
Harps gave Darragh Cross a hidin tonight under lights in the 'bridge.

Shane Mulholland gave a masterclass in distribution in the first half....his first game back in a while...

Who needs Aussie Rules stars??? ;) ;) ;)

BTW have to compliment the bridge on the magnificent set up they have now. The new pitch and lights are fabulous and the welcome we got was first class...all they need now is a stand :) :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2009, 08:27:08 AM
Quote from: True Blue on October 14, 2009, 07:13:04 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 14, 2009, 04:02:17 PM
Did Saval give Kilcoo a guard of honour last night for being county champions?

The point did on saturday

Fair play to the point for the guard off honour. It was a nice gesture. Kilcoo where onto the field first against Saval on Tuesday. Would love to see The Town giving us one on Sat.  :) :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 15, 2009, 08:33:42 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2009, 08:27:08 AM
Quote from: True Blue on October 14, 2009, 07:13:04 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 14, 2009, 04:02:17 PM
Did Saval give Kilcoo a guard of honour last night for being county champions?

The point did on saturday

Fair play to the point for the guard off honour. It was a nice gesture. Kilcoo where onto the field first against Saval on Tuesday. Would love to see The Town giving us one on Sat.  :) :)

Most teams would give a guard of honour for the first game after the final  but bloody hell
do you expect a guard of honour every game you play until next years final?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on October 15, 2009, 08:55:58 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 15, 2009, 08:33:42 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2009, 08:27:08 AM
Quote from: True Blue on October 14, 2009, 07:13:04 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 14, 2009, 04:02:17 PM
Did Saval give Kilcoo a guard of honour last night for being county champions?

The point did on saturday

Fair play to the point for the guard off honour. It was a nice gesture. Kilcoo where onto the field first against Saval on Tuesday. Would love to see The Town giving us one on Sat.  :) :)

Most teams would give a guard of honour for the first game after the final  but bloody hell
do you expect a guard of honour every game you play until next years final?!

    Mr Nice guy!   Not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2009, 09:24:15 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 15, 2009, 08:33:42 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2009, 08:27:08 AM
Quote from: True Blue on October 14, 2009, 07:13:04 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 14, 2009, 04:02:17 PM
Did Saval give Kilcoo a guard of honour last night for being county champions?

The point did on saturday

Fair play to the point for the guard off honour. It was a nice gesture. Kilcoo where onto the field first against Saval on Tuesday. Would love to see The Town giving us one on Sat.  :) :)

Most teams would give a guard of honour for the first game after the final  but bloody hell
do you expect a guard of honour every game you play until next years final?!

Nice to see you think we will be back in next years final! And no we dont expect a guard off honour. It would just be nice from our friendly neighbours in the town, which off course i dont expect or think will happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 15, 2009, 10:13:21 AM
To be fair the match only ran away from Darragh Cross in the last 7 minutes. The referee called back a quick free in the second half when a darragh forward was bearing down on goal having got away from the corner back who was trying to take the jersey from his back all game. Reason was to book one of their players and it probably was not even a ticking offence. What about advantage. Crazy decision considering it would have left the teams level. Ballyholland will struggle against the Kingdom based on last night. If Murtagh is marked tight they could struggle to find another outlet up front. They were wasteful. The set up was first class at the Bridge. Pitch looked perfect, not even a mark on it. Make you wonder if the bridge even play on it???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 15, 2009, 10:45:25 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2009, 09:24:15 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 15, 2009, 08:33:42 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2009, 08:27:08 AM
Quote from: True Blue on October 14, 2009, 07:13:04 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 14, 2009, 04:02:17 PM
Did Saval give Kilcoo a guard of honour last night for being county champions?

The point did on saturday

Fair play to the point for the guard off honour. It was a nice gesture. Kilcoo where onto the field first against Saval on Tuesday. Would love to see The Town giving us one on Sat.  :) :)

Most teams would give a guard of honour for the first game after the final  but bloody hell
do you expect a guard of honour every game you play until next years final?!

Nice to see you think we will be back in next years final! And no we dont expect a guard off honour. It would just be nice from our friendly neighbours in the town, which off course i dont expect or think will happen.
Can't see you getting one in the Town but in fairness they wouldn't get one in Kilcoo either, especially 3 games after the final.!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 15, 2009, 10:48:06 AM
When do Darragh Cross play Downpatrick?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 15, 2009, 01:00:08 PM
Down County Board have received planning permission on the proposed new home of Bryansford GAC.
This will be interesting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 15, 2009, 01:03:02 PM
for anyone that is interested, though i doubt there won't be to many, see below for the Div 3 Relegation playoff draw:

Relegation Playoffs Div 1 2 & 3  Sun 25th Oct   Sun 1st  & Sun 8th Nov

Div 3 Relegation Draws made tonight as follows

Teconnaught v Drumaness Oct 25th
St Pauls v Loser Game 1 Nov 1st
St Pauls v Winner Game 1 Nov 8th

Times and venues confirmed later
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 15, 2009, 01:11:35 PM
st pauls what happens in the event of a draw in the first game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on October 15, 2009, 01:14:08 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 15, 2009, 10:48:06 AM
When do Darragh Cross play Downpatrick?
Next Wednesday I have heard, but that is after the agreed date for the end of the leagues so according to bye law the league positions on Sunday shouldstand as final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 15, 2009, 01:16:55 PM
Quote from: stpauls on October 15, 2009, 01:03:02 PM
for anyone that is interested, though i doubt there won't be to many, see below for the Div 3 Relegation playoff draw:

Relegation Playoffs Div 1 2 & 3  Sun 25th Oct   Sun 1st  & Sun 8th Nov

Div 3 Relegation Draws made tonight as follows

Teconnaught v Drumaness Oct 25th
St Pauls v Loser Game 1 Nov 1st
St Pauls v Winner Game 1 Nov 8th

Times and venues confirmed later

i was under the impression it was Teconnaught v Drumaness with the winner safe, and the loser playing Drumaness with that loser getting relegated?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 15, 2009, 02:01:59 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on October 15, 2009, 01:14:08 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 15, 2009, 10:48:06 AM
When do Darragh Cross play Downpatrick?
Next Wednesday I have heard, but that is after the agreed date for the end of the leagues so according to bye law the league positions on Sunday shouldstand as final.

Thats mad!!!!

Because the outcome of that game determines who finishes 3rd!!! Surely not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 15, 2009, 02:14:01 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 15, 2009, 01:11:35 PM
st pauls what happens in the event of a draw in the first game?

no idea Minus, i would presume it is classed as a draw, ie 1 point. the team who finishes top of the mini league are the team that stays up!! so if there is 2 teams level at the end of the 3 games, i would say they would have a winner takes all game to stay up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 15, 2009, 02:15:32 PM
According to the Hoops Website the 3rd place question could be held over until Wed 21st Oct if they win on Sunday.....  Heres what it says..

The next few weeks sees a very tense yet interesting situation.
There are many permutations possible in the melting pot that is Division 2.
The only things that are definite so far are that An Riocht and Ballyholland are in the play off positions whilst Carryduff are automatically relegated.Also in the play off for relegation are Shamrocks and Glassdrumman
The Hoops have their fate in their own hands. Win their two remaining games and they grab the final play off spot.
However if they lose them they may end up in relegation play offs
First up is a home fixture against promotion chasing rivals Attical on Sunday 18th.
On Wednesday 21st RGU play Darragh Cross at a neutral venue but likely to be Newcastle due to the necessity to get the game played irrespective of it being a home game for Darragh
Title: ACFL Div 2
Post by: No1 on October 15, 2009, 02:15:40 PM
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Quote from: gorm agus bui on Today at 01:14:08 PM
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When do Darragh Cross play Downpatrick?

Next Wednesday I have heard, but that is after the agreed date for the end of the leagues so according to bye law the league positions on Sunday shouldstand as final.


Thats mad!!!!

Because the outcome of that game determines who finishes 3rd!!! Surely not

That can't happen, it's unfair to all of the other teams who can make third spot.

As far as I am aware:

An Riocht are in the final, Ballyholland play the third placed team for the other spot in the final and the winner of the final is the only team to get promoted.  Top three teams all play senior championship next year.

Is that all correct?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 15, 2009, 02:16:56 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 15, 2009, 01:16:55 PM
Quote from: stpauls on October 15, 2009, 01:03:02 PM
for anyone that is interested, though i doubt there won't be to many, see below for the Div 3 Relegation playoff draw:

Relegation Playoffs Div 1 2 & 3  Sun 25th Oct   Sun 1st  & Sun 8th Nov

Div 3 Relegation Draws made tonight as follows

Teconnaught v Drumaness Oct 25th
St Pauls v Loser Game 1 Nov 1st
St Pauls v Winner Game 1 Nov 8th

Times and venues confirmed later

i was under the impression it was Teconnaught v Drumaness with the winner safe, and the loser playing Drumaness with that loser getting relegated?

dundrumite, see below for the email we got from Sean Rooney on the procedure:

It is a round robin situation say for example the team that loses the first game loses the second game then they would be down. Then the two winners play and the loser of that would go down also as that would be then end of the round robin series, but they is the simple scenario maybe not work as easy as that. In the round robin situation you get two points for a win and one for a draw we will have to see how it develops.
Sean O Ruanaidh

see also the official ruling in the bye-laws:

The teams that finish 2nd, 3rd and 4th from the bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will play off with 2 of these 3 teams also being relegated in this year. (A draw will be made for the 1st play-off game and the loser of this game will play the 3rd team.)"

minus, this also confirms my theory above!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 15, 2009, 02:23:56 PM
No. 1  - the Wed 21st game is lunacy by the county board - storing up a massive issue for themselves

Say you guys win on Sat - giving you 24 points and Downpatrick win v Attical giving them 22 then does their game on Wed count or not as they are outside the cut off date
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 15, 2009, 02:49:44 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 15, 2009, 02:23:56 PM
No. 1  - the Wed 21st game is lunacy by the county board - storing up a massive issue for themselves

Say you guys win on Sat - giving you 24 points and Downpatrick win v Attical giving them 22 then does their game on Wed count or not as they are outside the cut off date

There was a precedent set for this before,I can't remember the exact details ,but I think we had to play 4 games in 10 days prior to the cut-off point,including a 6pm friday throw in at the far end of the county,followed by a Sunday morning throw-in.The county board allowed us no leeway at all.We happened to win all four games,scraping into the playoffs, much to the shock of the county board.I can understand No.1's frustration,as all final matches should be simultaneous to ensure fairness.In view of Darragh's IFC final,the RGU match couldn't have been played until this week,but shouldn't have been allowed to go into next week.
Title: Div 2
Post by: No1 on October 15, 2009, 02:56:42 PM
There is absolutely no reason why the game couldn't be played tomorrow night. 

It would be unfair on the RGU right nuff but f**k them anyway!  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 15, 2009, 03:06:58 PM
League table for O Neills Down SFL Division 3

Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts

Tullylish  21 15 3 3 338 234 104 33
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Glenn  21 16 3 2 309 215 94 33
Drumgath  21 14 5 2 260 235 25 30
---------------------------------------------------
Dundrum  21 11 6 4 297 232 65 26
Bredagh  21 12 8 1 312 235 77 25
St Johns  21 11 7 3 259 257 2 25
Ardglass  21 9 9 3 296 248 48 20
Saul  21 8 10 3 243 278 -35 19
---------------------------------------------------------
Teconnaught  21 7 12 2 215 227 -12 16
St Pauls  21 5 14 2 222 318 -96 12
Drumaness  21 4 16 1 237 301 -64 9
--------------------------------------------------------
Aghaderg  21 1 20 0 160 368 -208 2


Remaining Fixtures:

Round 22:
Ardglass  - - St Johns   
Glenn  - - Dundrum - Off as Glenn play in Ulster JFC on Sunday
Drumaness  - - St Pauls   
Bredagh  - - Drumgath   
Teconnaught  - - Tullylish     
Saul  - - Aghaderg 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 15, 2009, 03:41:47 PM
Quote from: stpauls on October 15, 2009, 02:16:56 PM

see also the official ruling in the bye-laws:

The teams that finish 2nd, 3rd and 4th from the bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will play off with 2 of these 3 teams also being relegated in this year. (A draw will be made for the 1st play-off game and the loser of this game will play the 3rd team.)"

minus, this also confirms my theory above!!

On reflection, I am sure the county board would have preferred to have the winner of the first game playing the 3rd team, rather than the loser. If the winner of the first game won the second game against the 3rd team, the relegation playoffs would be over in two games. As it is we now have a scenario where at least three games are required. Surely common sense can prevail. Obviously, if you do not abide by the bylaws possible appeals arise, but could the three teams involved not agree to a rule amendment.

Hopefully so, playoffs are a bleeding curse at this time of the year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 15, 2009, 03:58:42 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 15, 2009, 03:41:47 PM
Quote from: stpauls on October 15, 2009, 02:16:56 PM

see also the official ruling in the bye-laws:

The teams that finish 2nd, 3rd and 4th from the bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will play off with 2 of these 3 teams also being relegated in this year. (A draw will be made for the 1st play-off game and the loser of this game will play the 3rd team.)"

minus, this also confirms my theory above!!

On reflection, I am sure the county board would have preferred to have the winner of the first game playing the 3rd team, rather than the loser. If the winner of the first game won the second game against the 3rd team, the relegation playoffs would be over in two games. As it is we now have a scenario where at least three games are required. Surely common sense can prevail. Obviously, if you do not abide by the bylaws possible appeals arise, but could the three teams involved not agree to a rule amendment.

Hopefully so, playoffs are a bleeding curse at this time of the year.

Blue, this would have been the best idea, saves the season dragging even longer than it already has. personally, i don't see why it couldn't, the 3rd game would make no difference, as the team that won both games would have 4 points, and would not be caught no matter what the result of the last game would be!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on October 15, 2009, 04:35:44 PM
Despite being a drumaness man I feel techonaught are hard done by, I was under the undertsanding that they were in the final, Drumaness play St. Pauls with the winner going into a winner takes all clash with techonaught.

This puts their efforts to finish 4th bottom to waste.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 15, 2009, 04:37:07 PM
If the county board got a written undertaking from the three clubs involved that there would be no attempt to rely on a technical breach of the rules, problem solved. I cannot see a reason why the clubs would not agree.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 15, 2009, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on October 15, 2009, 04:35:44 PM
Despite being a drumaness man I feel techonaught are hard done by, I was under the undertsanding that they were in the final, Drumaness play St. Pauls with the winner going into a winner takes all clash with techonaught.

This puts their efforts to finish 4th bottom to waste.

The rule as it stands obviously favours my own club, but you are right that it offers no incentive to finish fourth from bottom rather than second from bottom. Your original understanding would also have resulted in a maximum of two games (barring draws). Round robbins can go on for at least three games and often more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 15, 2009, 04:53:07 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on October 15, 2009, 04:35:44 PM
Despite being a drumaness man I feel techonaught are hard done by, I was under the undertsanding that they were in the final, Drumaness play St. Pauls with the winner going into a winner takes all clash with techonaught.

This puts their efforts to finish 4th bottom to waste.

that is a good suggestion, but it may also be a disadvantage to them. if the winner of the first game catch them out, they would only get one game to stay up, where as this at least gives them another game to recover and stay up.

i am divided on this one myself, in the first instance i would prefer to get it over and done with, and the season finished, but with the way it is, we have 2 chances to stay up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 15, 2009, 07:23:01 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 15, 2009, 01:00:08 PM
Down County Board have received planning permission on the proposed new home of Bryansford GAC.
This will be interesting.


Really?


I expect Jim "the fuckwit" Wells to have something to say....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 15, 2009, 09:39:49 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 15, 2009, 01:00:08 PM
Down County Board have received planning permission on the proposed new home of Bryansford GAC.
This will be interesting.

Are you sure about that spirit, I thought it still had to go to the next council meeting?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael on October 15, 2009, 10:11:29 PM
    Kilkenny Manager Brian Cody will visit Ballycran's Mc Kenna Park on Saturday October 24th  @ 12noon to sign copies of his new book "Cody", the autobiography of seven-times All-Ireland winning Manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 16, 2009, 09:09:41 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 15, 2009, 03:06:58 PM
Glenn  - - Dundrum - Off as Glenn play in Ulster JFC on Sunday

This again highlights the mess created by the unpredictability of our playoff system.The JFC final should have been played weeks ago,and promotion/relegation sorted to allow Glenn to concentrate on Ulster.If Glenn get a run in Ulster,when will the playoffs get finished??

This must be friustrating for Dundrum,who don't know when their last league game will be played,Tullylish who now know that Glenn have the advantage of playing Dundrum when all other results are known,Drumgath who don't know who/when they are playing,and Glenn who are probably more concerned about promotion than winning Ulster.

I wouldn't mind but this nonsense goes on every year.The contributions to this board over the last few years indicate that there is more talk about playoff conundrums than actual football, at this time of year.

Leagues should be well sorted by now,our winning clubs should be concentrating on Ulster,and the county senior manager should be given the opportunity to  trial players before the nov/dec enforced break.

Why do we keep making the same simple mistakes?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 16, 2009, 09:20:13 AM
Where there are two teams level on points does it definitely go down to head to heads. I always thought it was score difference. Is this a new rule this year? Does anyone have the official ruling on it or is it another one of those grey areas that the rules are just made up on the spot?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 16, 2009, 09:27:08 AM
it seems to be a moot point, was talking to a county board man at the game on sunday and he doesnt think anyone is really sure.

did the celebrations last as long in len this time as they did after the last junior success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 16, 2009, 09:42:58 AM
well you would think we would need clarification before the last round of games are played but sure not much chance of that.

The celebrations only lasted a day surprisingly. Pity the ulster game was so soon. It was almost as sweet as beating banbridge the last time! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 16, 2009, 09:53:26 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 15, 2009, 09:39:49 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 15, 2009, 01:00:08 PM
Down County Board have received planning permission on the proposed new home of Bryansford GAC.
This will be interesting.

Are you sure about that spirit, I thought it still had to go to the next council meeting?

Yeah, I think the groups decision has to be ratified by the council meeting but either way its looking like they are going to have a bloody nice set up in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 16, 2009, 10:04:26 AM
If you check the rules it is worded vaugely but it does say that it will be decided in the order as they are written in the bye laws. So i think the rule is 1. Head to heads between the two teams. If its one game each then its score difference between the two teams based on their head to head games. 2. After this its Score difference overall. 3. Then highest score for. 4. Finally scoring average.

If any team get beyond points two i would be amazed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 16, 2009, 10:34:42 AM
Here are the By laws - look at the last point. This would indicate that the outstanding game on Wed 21st in the 2nd Div is irrelevant. However the cut off date provided at the start of the season was 11t October so by the strict interpretation of the laws Attical finished 3rd on 11th October! What a mess!!

All County Football Leagues
(a) Year 1: 2009 - The team that finishes in 1st place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play in their respective league finals. The teams that finish in 2nd and 3rd place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play each other with the winner of this game progressing to their respective league finals. The league winner only in Divisions 2, 3 and 4 will be promoted in this year (2009). The team that finishes bottom of Divisions 1,2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will be automatically relegated.

The teams that finish 2nd, 3rd and 4th from the bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will play off with 2 of these 3 teams also being relegated in this year (2009). (A draw will be made for the 1st play-off game and the loser of this game will play the 3rd team).

(b) Year 2: 2010 - The team that finishes in 1st place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play in their respective league finals. The teams that finish in 2nd and 3rd place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play each other with the winner of this game progressing to their respective league finals. Both finalists in Division 2 will be promoted in this year (2010). The
league winner only in Divisions 3 and 4 will be promoted in this year (2010).

The team that finishes bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will be automatically relegated. The teams that finish 2nd & 3rd from the bottom of Division 1 after the ordinary round stages will play each other with the loser also being relegated. The teams that finish 2nd, 3rd and 4th from the bottom of Divisions 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will playoff and 2 of these 3 teams will also be relegated in this year (2010).
(A draw will be made for the 1st play-off game and the loser of this game will play the 3rd team).

(c) Year 3: 2011 - After 2 years Divisions 1 & 2 would have 10 teams each, Division 3 would have 12 teams and Division 4 would have 11 teams. At this stage the team that finishes in 1st place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play in their respective league finals.

The teams that finish in 2nd and 3rd place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play each other with the winner of this game progressing to their respective league finals. Both finalists in Divisions 2, 3 & 4 will be promoted thereafter. The team that finishes bottom of Divisions 1,2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will be
automatically relegated. The teams that finish 2nd & 3rd from the bottom of Divisions 1,2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will play each other with the loser also being relegated.

(d) Where teams finish on equal points, finishing position shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:
(i) Where two Teams only are involved - the outcome of the meetings of the two Teams in the previous games in the Competition i.e. the combined scores of he two games;
(ii) Scoring Difference (Subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For);
(iii) Highest Total Score For;
(iv) Scoring Average (Divide total Scores Against into total Scores For).

In the event of any of the Play-off games for promotion or relegation ending in a draw, extra time of ten minutes each way will be played.

(e) A team failing to fulfil a fixture shall forfeit two league points to the opposing team and shall have five scoring points deducted from their aggregate score in games played. Five scoring points shall be added to the opposing team's aggregate in games played.

(f) The County Competitions Control Committee may designate a "cut-off" date, which will be notified to clubs before the start of the league. The league positions of teams after the "cut-off" date shall be regarded as the final position in the ordinary league rounds.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 16, 2009, 11:33:19 AM
That seems to clear up what i wanted to know. head to heads it is then. Come on teconnaught this weekend!
If Tullylish win on saturday though there would be little point in playing the outstanding Dundrum and Glenn game unless Dundrum are playing for fourth place.

St pauls take a look at the end of point d regarding draws in playoff games.

As for the last point it is unreasonable to enforce that cut off date if teams have had games delayed due to c'ship involvement. But where games have been put back and not rearranged in time is the fault of the teams involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 16, 2009, 11:58:50 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 16, 2009, 11:33:19 AM
St pauls take a look at the end of point d regarding draws in playoff games.

I saw that!! so unless each of the 3 teams win 1 game each, the playoffs should be decided by the end of the 3 games. (hopefully)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 16, 2009, 12:24:18 PM
Quote from: stpauls on October 16, 2009, 11:58:50 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 16, 2009, 11:33:19 AM
St pauls take a look at the end of point d regarding draws in playoff games.

I saw that!! so unless each of the 3 teams win 1 game each, the playoffs should be decided by the end of the 3 games. (hopefully)

Last year Tecconaught and Bosco both beat St Michaels then drew with each other.  Tecconaught stayed up as they had a better points difference as they had beat St Michaels by more.  If the same thing followed this year even if the 3 teams all win 1 match 1 team will probably have a better scoring difference than the other 2 and stay up (providing the same rules apply).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 16, 2009, 12:28:14 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 16, 2009, 12:24:18 PM
Quote from: stpauls on October 16, 2009, 11:58:50 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 16, 2009, 11:33:19 AM
St pauls take a look at the end of point d regarding draws in playoff games.

I saw that!! so unless each of the 3 teams win 1 game each, the playoffs should be decided by the end of the 3 games. (hopefully)

Last year Tecconaught and Bosco both beat St Michaels then drew with each other.  Tecconaught stayed up as they had a better points difference as they had beat St Michaels by more.  If the same thing followed this year even if the 3 teams all win 1 match 1 team will probably have a better scoring difference than the other 2 and stay up (providing the same rules apply).

oh dear, we could be in trouble then!!

Teconnaught  21 7 12 2 215 227 -12 16
St Pauls  21 5 14 2 222 318 -96 12
Drumaness  21 4 16 1 237 301 -64 9

or is it just the scoring difference from the playoff games that count?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 16, 2009, 12:31:38 PM
Quote from: stpauls on October 16, 2009, 12:28:14 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 16, 2009, 12:24:18 PM
Quote from: stpauls on October 16, 2009, 11:58:50 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 16, 2009, 11:33:19 AM
St pauls take a look at the end of point d regarding draws in playoff games.

I saw that!! so unless each of the 3 teams win 1 game each, the playoffs should be decided by the end of the 3 games. (hopefully)

Last year Tecconaught and Bosco both beat St Michaels then drew with each other.  Tecconaught stayed up as they had a better points difference as they had beat St Michaels by more.  If the same thing followed this year even if the 3 teams all win 1 match 1 team will probably have a better scoring difference than the other 2 and stay up (providing the same rules apply).

oh dear, we could be in trouble then!!

Teconnaught  21 7 12 2 215 227 -12 16
St Pauls  21 5 14 2 222 318 -96 12
Drumaness  21 4 16 1 237 301 -64 9

Only in the playoffs.

So if Drumaness beat St Pauls 10 9
Teconaught beat Drumaness 10 5
St Pauls beat Teconaught     10 1

The table would be


                    Points   Goal Diff
St Pauls           2           +8
Drumaness       2          -4
Tecconaught   2          -4

and St Paul's would stay up.

There would only need to be additional playoff games if somehow 2 or more teams ended with the same points and goal difference.  e.g.  Every match was won 10-9.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 16, 2009, 12:35:44 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 16, 2009, 12:31:38 PM
Quote from: stpauls on October 16, 2009, 12:28:14 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 16, 2009, 12:24:18 PM
Quote from: stpauls on October 16, 2009, 11:58:50 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 16, 2009, 11:33:19 AM
St pauls take a look at the end of point d regarding draws in playoff games.

I saw that!! so unless each of the 3 teams win 1 game each, the playoffs should be decided by the end of the 3 games. (hopefully)

Last year Tecconaught and Bosco both beat St Michaels then drew with each other.  Tecconaught stayed up as they had a better points difference as they had beat St Michaels by more.  If the same thing followed this year even if the 3 teams all win 1 match 1 team will probably have a better scoring difference than the other 2 and stay up (providing the same rules apply).

oh dear, we could be in trouble then!!

Teconnaught  21 7 12 2 215 227 -12 16
St Pauls  21 5 14 2 222 318 -96 12
Drumaness  21 4 16 1 237 301 -64 9

Only in the playoffs.

So if Drumaness beat St Pauls 10 9
Teconaught beat Drumaness 10 5
St Pauls beat Teconaught     10 1

The table would be


                    Points   Goal Deiff
St Pauls           2           +9
Drumaness       2          -4
Tecconaught   2          -5

and St Paul's would stay up.

that would be nice alright!!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 16, 2009, 01:11:44 PM
Teconnaugh v Tullylish tomorrow. Is this game being played in Ballykinler at 3?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaaddict on October 16, 2009, 04:00:44 PM
No its Sun @3pm in Teconnaught. What makes u think 2moro in Ballykinlar???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 16, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
Quote from: When We Win on October 16, 2009, 09:53:26 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 15, 2009, 09:39:49 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 15, 2009, 01:00:08 PM
Down County Board have received planning permission on the proposed new home of Bryansford GAC.
This will be interesting.

Are you sure about that spirit, I thought it still had to go to the next council meeting?

Yeah, I think the groups decision has to be ratified by the council meeting but either way its looking like they are going to have a bloody nice set up in a couple of years.

Council should be a formality as there is no objections on file and all the stumbling blocks have been overcome ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 16, 2009, 04:17:09 PM
Quote from: gaaaddict on October 16, 2009, 04:00:44 PM
No its Sun @3pm in Teconnaught. What makes u think 2moro in Ballykinlar???

no never mind was confusing drumaness and teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaaddict on October 16, 2009, 08:50:16 PM
Drumaness are playing St Pauls in Darragh Cross in Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 17, 2009, 01:03:30 PM
Quote from: gaaaddict on October 16, 2009, 08:50:16 PM
Drumaness are playing St Pauls in Darragh Cross in Sunday
Is that a league game or relegation play off?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaaddict on October 17, 2009, 03:42:45 PM
Its the last round of the league.
Teconnaught V Drumaness next Sun in the 1st of the relegation play-offs!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on October 17, 2009, 04:30:53 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 17, 2009, 01:03:30 PM
Quote from: gaaaddict on October 16, 2009, 08:50:16 PM
Drumaness are playing St Pauls in Darragh Cross in Sunday
Is that a league game or relegation play off?
what time is that at? I know there's a hurling match on at 1pm sunday in DX. cont imagine t being after that. Wouldn be enough light?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 17, 2009, 05:01:32 PM
Hurling matches last 6 hours down there do they?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 17, 2009, 05:09:47 PM
Quote from: THE DADGA on October 17, 2009, 04:30:53 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 17, 2009, 01:03:30 PM
Quote from: gaaaddict on October 16, 2009, 08:50:16 PM
Drumaness are playing St Pauls in Darragh Cross in Sunday
Is that a league game or relegation play off?
what time is that at? I know there's a hurling match on at 1pm sunday in DX. cont imagine t being after that. Wouldn be enough light?

3 o'clock throw in!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 17, 2009, 05:42:08 PM
Div one games
Rostrevor 2.7 Clonduff 2.17
Saval 0.9 Mayobridge 0.13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 17, 2009, 05:51:38 PM
Bredagh and Drumgath drew this afternoon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 17, 2009, 07:50:01 PM
We walloped town today they were poor... after beating them by near 20 points we were walking out when i overheard 2 of there spporters saying " our field is in some nick isn't it ?" there was me thinking football was about winning things
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 17, 2009, 07:58:23 PM
Kilcoo where minus 6starters from the county final and still hammered our rivals the town 2-14 to 1-4. How sweet. :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on October 17, 2009, 08:06:17 PM
how come the league table for div.three shows glenn with sixteen wins and two draws having 33 points and tullylish given top spot with fifteen wins and three draws also 33 points- should glenn not have 34 points(down web site)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 17, 2009, 09:07:01 PM
Glenn have drawn one game away to Tullylish. It says 2 draws because the official score given for the abandoned match in Ardglass was 0-0 but no points were given to either team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 17, 2009, 09:21:59 PM
Any reports on how the 'meet & greet' the new manager went in the Canal Court last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 17, 2009, 10:30:50 PM
Have to agree with you there rosskarr, Bryansford have been taken by the hand throughout this process, I think it's time for the County Board to realise that Bryansford are taking the p-ss out of them & that the County Board should buy out the remainder of Bryansford's contract which i'd guess isn't big rent.
At the end of the day a first Division club that doesn't own their own ground in the year 2009 shows, in my view a serious lack of ambition or maybe even laziness within that club, without showing disrespect to the Bright club who I think are 2nd from bottom of Division 4, they have a setup that a lot of clubs would be proud of mainly due to the drive, foresight & ambition of the committee & it's members.
It's time for Bryansford to stand on their own two feet & if that means a move to Donard Park then so be it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 17, 2009, 10:33:10 PM
Harps drew with the Shamrogis this evening...one of our subs missed a penalty to win it :P :P

They were at full strength and Terry and Glen decided to use an experimental team which dominated them for most of the game but just couldnt put them away. Our esteemed colleague on here, the Wobbler, got us out of jail with a one on one save with about 10 to go. Insipid affair all around to be honest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 17, 2009, 10:53:33 PM
Kilcoo gave the Town 2nds a beating tonight in a game that was meaningless for the Town. Actually the town 2nds normally have a stronger team out. In fairness to Kilcoo though the dirty protest lookalikes and a couple of others were rested. Funniest moment of the day though was the Kilcoo linesman calling a Town player a 'Kilcoo w@nker' hahaha
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on October 18, 2009, 02:20:23 PM
is it true thad the much vauunted 'ford have not only been charging the rest of the county for using equipment that we(the rest of the county) paid for and installed in their premisis and their own players get to use free of charge but now have increased the 'rent' for their hospitality??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 18, 2009, 02:41:27 PM
Quote from: 13aside on October 18, 2009, 02:20:23 PM
is it true thad the much vauunted 'ford have not only been charging the rest of the county for using equipment that we(the rest of the county) paid for and installed in their premisis and their own players get to use free of charge but now have increased the 'rent' for their hospitality??

I think the charge is for the use of their hall & not the equipment, but you are spot on when you say that the 'Ford get to use the equipment as part of this arrangement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on October 18, 2009, 02:42:21 PM
Quote from: 13aside on October 18, 2009, 02:20:23 PM
is it true thad the much vauunted 'ford have not only been charging the rest of the county for using equipment that we(the rest of the county) paid for and installed in their premisis and their own players get to use free of charge but now have increased the 'rent' for their hospitality??
The calibre of people involved in that Club now is in stark contrast to the people and players from 25-30 years ago.
Title: ACFL Div 2
Post by: No1 on October 18, 2009, 04:36:41 PM
Kilclief beat Glasdrumman 3-13 to 3-11.  Kilclief were 10 points down at one stage. :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 18, 2009, 04:50:36 PM
I hear Hoops beat Atticall 6 to 4. It's in Downpatrick's hands now. If they beat Darragh Cross, they're in the promotion spots.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on October 18, 2009, 05:48:21 PM
Glenn were beaten by 10points by moville today in the Ulster Junior Championship.
Any results from division 3 yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaaddict on October 18, 2009, 05:52:02 PM
St Johns & Ardglass drew
Tullylish beat Teconnaught
Drumaness beat St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on October 18, 2009, 06:23:24 PM
Cheers addict. Not what I wanted to hear but it'll have to do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 18, 2009, 08:12:32 PM
2nd div play off semi is in Newcastle next Sunday at 3pm. Harps will play Downpatrick if they beat Darragh Cross on Thurs night...if they dont it will be Kilclief.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 18, 2009, 08:45:16 PM
Castlewellan beat Kilcoo in the RFC today- 1-06 to 1-05. Should have been by at least 10 more but 21 wides from the Town shows their domination but innacuracy. Time for the Red (Grey) Devlin to call it a day by the way
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 18, 2009, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 17, 2009, 10:30:50 PM
Have to agree with you there rosskarr, Bryansford have been taken by the hand throughout this process, I think it's time for the County Board to realise that Bryansford are taking the p-ss out of them & that the County Board should buy out the remainder of Bryansford's contract which i'd guess isn't big rent.
At the end of the day a first Division club that doesn't own their own ground in the year 2009 shows, in my view a serious lack of ambition or maybe even laziness within that club, without showing disrespect to the Bright club who I think are 2nd from bottom of Division 4, they have a setup that a lot of clubs would be proud of mainly due to the drive, foresight & ambition of the committee & it's members.
It's time for Bryansford to stand on their own two feet & if that means a move to Donard Park then so be it

How is Bryansford taking the piss? Maybe they are,I don't know, but what is the Ford's crime? You appear to know something many of us do not. Its seems to me they invested a lot of money in St Patrick's park and were "cajoled" into moving outside the town. At the time I thought it was a disastrous decision, because teams with a big town influence are better served having grounds in the town and not out of sight and out of mind.

I believe many in Bryansford were of the same opinion and reluctantly agreed to move. It seems to me that they are being made scape goats here for economic matters beyond their control. If memory serves me right, this whole move/idea had nothing to do with the Ford.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 18, 2009, 09:20:17 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 18, 2009, 08:45:16 PM
Castlewellan beat Kilcoo in the RFC today- 1-06 to 1-05. Should have been by at least 10 more but 21 wides from the Town shows their domination but innacuracy. Time for the Red (Grey) Devlin to call it a day by the way

Is the red devlin paul devlin's father?


An Riocht beat clann na banna by 19 points. with the fixture practically meaningless it was played like a friendly, no bookings, in fact there wasnt even a bad tackle in the game (apart from when marty clarke forgot he was back playing gaa and dragged a clann player down by the waist. the whole crowd and players burst out laughing)

An Riocht were without Brendan McVeigh and John Clarke, damage would probably have been much greater if clarke had been playing. marty clarke scored about 7 points but never looked like getting out of 2nd gear. he never wasted a ball. looking forward to seeing him in a down jersey soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 18, 2009, 09:46:42 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 18, 2009, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 17, 2009, 10:30:50 PM
Have to agree with you there rosskarr, Bryansford have been taken by the hand throughout this process, I think it's time for the County Board to realise that Bryansford are taking the p-ss out of them & that the County Board should buy out the remainder of Bryansford's contract which i'd guess isn't big rent.
At the end of the day a first Division club that doesn't own their own ground in the year 2009 shows, in my view a serious lack of ambition or maybe even laziness within that club, without showing disrespect to the Bright club who I think are 2nd from bottom of Division 4, they have a setup that a lot of clubs would be proud of mainly due to the drive, foresight & ambition of the committee & it's members.
It's time for Bryansford to stand on their own two feet & if that means a move to Donard Park then so be it

How is Bryansford taking the piss? Maybe they are,I don't know, but what is the Ford's crime? You appear to know something many of us do not. Its seems to me they invested a lot of money in St Patrick's park and were "cajoled" into moving outside the town. At the time I thought it was a disastrous decision, because teams with a big town influence are better served having grounds in the town and not out of sight and out of mind.

I believe many in Bryansford were of the same opinion and reluctantly agreed to move. It seems to me that they are being made scape goats here for economic matters beyond their control. If memory serves me right, this whole move/idea had nothing to do with the Ford.

One example of this would be the fact that they never owned a pitch of their own but were tenants of a ground belonging to the CB which I would say is set in about 6 acres with one pitch & they now want three pitches set in 16 acres????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on October 18, 2009, 09:49:58 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 18, 2009, 09:46:42 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 18, 2009, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 17, 2009, 10:30:50 PM
Have to agree with you there rosskarr, Bryansford have been taken by the hand throughout this process, I think it's time for the County Board to realise that Bryansford are taking the p-ss out of them & that the County Board should buy out the remainder of Bryansford's contract which i'd guess isn't big rent.
At the end of the day a first Division club that doesn't own their own ground in the year 2009 shows, in my view a serious lack of ambition or maybe even laziness within that club, without showing disrespect to the Bright club who I think are 2nd from bottom of Division 4, they have a setup that a lot of clubs would be proud of mainly due to the drive, foresight & ambition of the committee & it's members.
It's time for Bryansford to stand on their own two feet & if that means a move to Donard Park then so be it

How is Bryansford taking the piss? Maybe they are,I don't know, but what is the Ford's crime? You appear to know something many of us do not. Its seems to me they invested a lot of money in St Patrick's park and were "cajoled" into moving outside the town. At the time I thought it was a disastrous decision, because teams with a big town influence are better served having grounds in the town and not out of sight and out of mind.

I believe many in Bryansford were of the same opinion and reluctantly agreed to move. It seems to me that they are being made scape goats here for economic matters beyond their control. If memory serves me right, this whole move/idea had nothing to do with the Ford.

One example of this would be the fact that they never owned a pitch of their own but were tenants of a ground belonging to the CB which I would say is set in about 6 acres with one pitch & they now want three pitches set in 16 acres????
and then increasing the monthly rental they get from Co Board from £1k to £2k amonth for gym facilities apparently
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 18, 2009, 09:54:12 PM
It's not for gym facilities, it's for the use of a hall, the CB own the equipment & Bryansford also make use of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on October 18, 2009, 09:59:05 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 18, 2009, 09:54:12 PM
It's not for gym facilities, it's for the use of a hall, the CB own the equipment & Bryansford also make use of it.
Was trying to be gentle on them ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 18, 2009, 10:07:08 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 18, 2009, 10:01:23 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 18, 2009, 09:46:42 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 18, 2009, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 17, 2009, 10:30:50 PM
Have to agree with you there rosskarr, Bryansford have been taken by the hand throughout this process, I think it's time for the County Board to realise that Bryansford are taking the p-ss out of them & that the County Board should buy out the remainder of Bryansford's contract which i'd guess isn't big rent.
At the end of the day a first Division club that doesn't own their own ground in the year 2009 shows, in my view a serious lack of ambition or maybe even laziness within that club, without showing disrespect to the Bright club who I think are 2nd from bottom of Division 4, they have a setup that a lot of clubs would be proud of mainly due to the drive, foresight & ambition of the committee & it's members.
It's time for Bryansford to stand on their own two feet & if that means a move to Donard Park then so be it

How is Bryansford taking the piss? Maybe they are,I don't know, but what is the Ford's crime? You appear to know something many of us do not. Its seems to me they invested a lot of money in St Patrick's park and were "cajoled" into moving outside the town. At the time I thought it was a disastrous decision, because teams with a big town influence are better served having grounds in the town and not out of sight and out of mind.

I believe many in Bryansford were of the same opinion and reluctantly agreed to move. It seems to me that they are being made scape goats here for economic matters beyond their control. If memory serves me right, this whole move/idea had nothing to do with the Ford.

One example of this would be the fact that they never owned a pitch of their own but were tenants of a ground belonging to the CB which I would say is set in about 6 acres with one pitch & they now want three pitches set in 16 acres????

   Word has it that the reason for the rent increase is down to  the fact that Pete Mc Grath was asked to do an interview for the Down job,which he apparently did. He then doesn't get the job and Bryansford behave by throwing the toys out of the pram in support of their current manager.
   We'v really got no equal when it comes to the pure sh.t that goes on.

That would explain their no show in the 'Parade of Clubs' on County Finals day then, how bloody childish of them if the Pete McGrath story is true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 18, 2009, 10:31:26 PM

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One example of this would be the fact that they never owned a pitch of their own but were tenants of a ground belonging to the CB which I would say is set in about 6 acres with one pitch & they now want three pitches set in 16 acres????
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I thought it was owned by the Annesley family and not the county board and Bryansford were joint tenants. Perhaps spirit can enlighten us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on October 19, 2009, 09:25:27 AM
Thurs 22nd 7 30
ACFL Div 2
Darragh Cross v Downpatrick(J Killen)
Fri 23rd Oct 7 30 Pairc Esler
Div 1 Semi Final
Bryansford v Kilcoo(C Brannigan)
Sat  24th Oct 4 00
ACFL Div 2
Annaclone v Ballymartin(D Moore)
ACFL Div 3
Glenn v Dundrum(D Kearns)
Sun 25th Oct 3 00
ACFL Div 1 Relegation Play Off
Clonduff
Liatroim v Saval(B Rice)
ACFL Div 2 Relegation Play Off
Rostrevor
Shamrocks v Glasdrumman(L Smith)
ACFL Div 3 Relegation Play Off
Loughinisland
Drumaness v Teconnaught(G Brannigan)
ACFL Div 2 Semi Final 5 00
Newcastle
Ballyholland v Downpatrick/Kilclief(G Corrigan)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 19, 2009, 09:53:21 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 17, 2009, 10:53:33 PM
Kilcoo gave the Town 2nds a beating tonight in a game that was meaningless for the Town. Actually the town 2nds normally have a stronger team out. In fairness to Kilcoo though the dirty protest lookalikes and a couple of others were rested. Funniest moment of the day though was the Kilcoo linesman calling a Town player a 'Kilcoo w@nker' hahaha

Well the fact Aidan Brogan is from Kilcoo would suggest why he was called that. Look in know way was that Castlewellan seconds, it was more like ours and we still trashed yous. The town are an average side and jelousy off our sucess reeks within the town. Winning a reserve championship means more to yous with 5 former and stil should be seniors guiding yous to victory yesrerday. Congratulations to yous i can take my beating but if the town concentrated less on getting digs at Kilcoo and maybe follow our example then maybe some day yous will be back on a par with us. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 19, 2009, 10:59:54 AM
Prediction league

Final round leaderboard


Congratulation to off the laces to get all 6 forecast correct.

1   6   off the laces
2   5   An Cloch Scoilte
3   5   cloneman
4   5   marsbarkid
5   5   minus15
6   5   No1
7   5   Statto-Gael
8   5   thewobbler
9   4   amallon
10   4   Bacon
11   4   behind the wire
12   4   BRIDGE LAD
13   4   D45
14   4   dodgy umpire
15   4   DownFanatic
16   4   Dubh driocht
17   4   dundroma
18   4   dunrumite
19   4   general
20   4   Johnnie99
21   4   meatsy86
22   4   Mid Down Gael
23   4   Square Ball
24   4   Supersub
25   4   T O Hare
26   4   TheClutch
27   3   Bitta-Banter
28   3   bredaghgael86
29   3   goalswingames
30   3   Green + Gold
31   3   Idontbelieveit
32   3   In the Onion Bag
33   3   Islandboy
34   3   Mourne Rover
35   3   souljaboy
36   3   tirnaog
37   3   Trevor Hill
38   3   True Blue
39   3   umpire
40   3   western exile
41   2   Brick Tamlin
42   2   eyeswideopen
43   2   lfdown2
44   2   mourenrambler
45   2   Niall Quinn

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 19, 2009, 11:21:52 AM
Prediction League

Final overall leaderboard.

Congratulation to Bacon for overall winner

DownFanatic  Fanatastic attempt to win it outright 2 years in row.

Thanks to all who took part in this fun competition, i hope this competition was worthwhile.

1   34   Bacon
2   33   DownFanatic
3   32   Mid Down Gael
4   32   off the laces
5   32   thewobbler
6   31   Johnnie99
7   31   souljaboy
8   30   behind the wire
9   30   Green + Gold
10   30   marsbarkid
11   30   Square Ball
12   30   True Blue
13   30   western exile
14   29   BRIDGE LAD
15   29   D45
16   29   Dubh driocht
17   29   dunrumite
18   29   eyeswideopen
19   29   goalswingames
20   29   meatsy86
21   29   No1
22   29   T O Hare
23   29   TheClutch
24   28   An Cloch Scoilte
25   28   Bitta-Banter
26   28   general
27   28   Islandboy
28   28   minus15
29   28   Mourne Rover
30   28   Niall Quinn
31   28   Statto-Gael
32   27   bredaghgael86
33   27   cloneman
34   27   mourenrambler
35   27   Trevor Hill
36   26   Supersub
37   25   dundroma
38   25   lfdown2
39   25   The Worker
40   25   umpire
41   24   amallon
42   24   dodgy umpire
43   24   Down6061689194
44   23   Fender
45   21   Brick Tamlin
46   20   Fitroyalty
47   20   passedit
48   17   too long ref
49   16   bridgegael
50   15   Leo
51   14   Blue Island
52   14   fred the ref
53   14   Idontbelieveit
54   14   Irelands32
55   14   southdown
56   13   waitingforsam
57   13   wobbller
58   12   centre 3/4s
59   12   goldenyears
60   12   miss mess
61   9   tirnaog
62   8   Iroberts680
63   6   stiff breeze
64   3   In the Onion Bag

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 19, 2009, 11:50:44 AM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 18, 2009, 09:14:11 PM

I believe many in Bryansford were of the same opinion and reluctantly agreed to move. It seems to me that they are being made scape goats here for economic matters beyond their control. If memory serves me right, this whole move/idea had nothing to do with the Ford.

My understanding is that Bford held a special general meeting to deal with this where the decision to move was UNANIMOUS so where do you get this reluctance from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 19, 2009, 11:59:08 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 19, 2009, 09:53:21 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 17, 2009, 10:53:33 PM
Kilcoo gave the Town 2nds a beating tonight in a game that was meaningless for the Town. Actually the town 2nds normally have a stronger team out. In fairness to Kilcoo though the dirty protest lookalikes and a couple of others were rested. Funniest moment of the day though was the Kilcoo linesman calling a Town player a 'Kilcoo w@nker' hahaha

Well the fact Aidan Brogan is from Kilcoo would suggest why he was called that. Look in know way was that Castlewellan seconds, it was more like ours and we still trashed yous. The town are an average side and jelousy off our sucess reeks within the town. Winning a reserve championship means more to yous with 5 former and stil should be seniors guiding yous to victory yesrerday. Congratulations to yous i can take my beating but if the town concentrated less on getting digs at Kilcoo and maybe follow our example then maybe some day yous will be back on a par with us.
We are a mid-table team, even at full strength- I don't deny that or the fact that  you are worthy  county champions. I know you fielded a weakened team but we had 8-9 of our first choice 15 missing..
As for the 3rds only one was a regular for our seniors this year (Luke Toner) while Shay Mcveigh played a couple of games. None of the others have been near the  senior team for years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 19, 2009, 02:55:51 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 19, 2009, 11:21:52 AM
Prediction League

Final overall leaderboard.

Congratulation to Bacon for overall winner

DownFanatic  Fanatastic attempt to win it outright 2 years in row.

Thanks to all who took part in this fun competition, i hope this competition was worthwhile.

1   34   Bacon
2   33   DownFanatic
3   32   Mid Down Gael
4   32   off the laces
5   32   thewobbler
6   31   Johnnie99
7   31   souljaboy
8   30   behind the wire
9   30   Green + Gold
10   30   marsbarkid
11   30   Square Ball
12   30   True Blue
13   30   western exile
14   29   BRIDGE LAD
15   29   D45
16   29   Dubh driocht
17   29   dunrumite
18   29   eyeswideopen
19   29   goalswingames
20   29   meatsy86
21   29   No1
22   29   T O Hare
23   29   TheClutch
24   28   An Cloch Scoilte
25   28   Bitta-Banter
26   28   general
27   28   Islandboy
28   28   minus15
29   28   Mourne Rover
30   28   Niall Quinn
31   28   Statto-Gael
32   27   bredaghgael86
33   27   cloneman
34   27   mourenrambler
35   27   Trevor Hill
36   26   Supersub
37   25   dundroma
38   25   lfdown2
39   25   The Worker
40   25   umpire
41   24   amallon
42   24   dodgy umpire
43   24   Down6061689194
44   23   Fender
45   21   Brick Tamlin
46   20   Fitroyalty
47   20   passedit
48   17   too long ref
49   16   bridgegael
50   15   Leo
51   14   Blue Island
52   14   fred the ref
53   14   Idontbelieveit
54   14   Irelands32
55   14   southdown
56   13   waitingforsam
57   13   wobbller
58   12   centre 3/4s
59   12   goldenyears
60   12   miss mess
61   9   tirnaog
62   8   Iroberts680
63   6   stiff breeze
64   3   In the Onion Bag

Ive been reliably informed by the county board that myself and Mid Down Gael have to playoff with the winner facing Bacon in the Final to see who ends up overall winner. Any truth in this Umpire?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 19, 2009, 03:33:45 PM
QuoteAs for the 3rds only one was a regular for our seniors this year (Luke Toner) while Shay Mcveigh played a couple of games. None of the others have been near the  senior team for years

Congratulations to Castlewellan. 

Did McVeigh not play senior championship last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 19, 2009, 04:15:58 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 19, 2009, 03:33:45 PM
QuoteAs for the 3rds only one was a regular for our seniors this year (Luke Toner) while Shay Mcveigh played a couple of games. None of the others have been near the  senior team for years

Congratulations to Castlewellan. 

Did McVeigh not play senior championship last year?
No- he was in America as he was for most for this season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 19, 2009, 04:22:30 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 19, 2009, 02:55:51 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 19, 2009, 11:21:52 AM
Prediction League

Final overall leaderboard.

Congratulation to Bacon for overall winner

DownFanatic  Fanatastic attempt to win it outright 2 years in row.

Thanks to all who took part in this fun competition, i hope this competition was worthwhile.

1   34   Bacon
2   33   DownFanatic
3   32   Mid Down Gael
4   32   off the laces
5   32   thewobbler
6   31   Johnnie99
7   31   souljaboy
8   30   behind the wire
9   30   Green + Gold
10   30   marsbarkid
11   30   Square Ball
12   30   True Blue
13   30   western exile
14   29   BRIDGE LAD
15   29   D45
16   29   Dubh driocht
17   29   dunrumite
18   29   eyeswideopen
19   29   goalswingames
20   29   meatsy86
21   29   No1
22   29   T O Hare
23   29   TheClutch
24   28   An Cloch Scoilte
25   28   Bitta-Banter
26   28   general
27   28   Islandboy
28   28   minus15
29   28   Mourne Rover
30   28   Niall Quinn
31   28   Statto-Gael
32   27   bredaghgael86
33   27   cloneman
34   27   mourenrambler
35   27   Trevor Hill
36   26   Supersub
37   25   dundroma
38   25   lfdown2
39   25   The Worker
40   25   umpire
41   24   amallon
42   24   dodgy umpire
43   24   Down6061689194
44   23   Fender
45   21   Brick Tamlin
46   20   Fitroyalty
47   20   passedit
48   17   too long ref
49   16   bridgegael
50   15   Leo
51   14   Blue Island
52   14   fred the ref
53   14   Idontbelieveit
54   14   Irelands32
55   14   southdown
56   13   waitingforsam
57   13   wobbller
58   12   centre 3/4s
59   12   goldenyears
60   12   miss mess
61   9   tirnaog
62   8   Iroberts680
63   6   stiff breeze
64   3   In the Onion Bag

Ive been reliably informed by the county board that myself and Mid Down Gael have to playoff with the winner facing Bacon in the Final to see who ends up overall winner. Any truth in this Umpire?

Never heard of that. County Board know where to contact me for their guidance!!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 20, 2009, 02:40:06 PM
Is it true that the u21/20 competition in down starts next week? Anyone know the format this year?

Also congrats to the two down girls who got camogie all stars this week!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 20, 2009, 02:55:49 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 20, 2009, 02:40:06 PM
Is it true that the u21/20 competition in down starts next week? Anyone know the format this year?

Also congrats to the two down girls who got camogie all stars this week!

An absolutely pointless competition in my eyes. Entry fee is astronomical and most teams only get two games.

The last thing players in this age group want to be doing now is training for a competition that will inevitably stretch out to the end of January.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 20, 2009, 03:18:39 PM
That was the point of my post, to see if anyone new the format because it was to be changed for this year as a result of previous years poor turn out. If the competition was made a big thing in the county like it is in Armagh - and played pre senior season - then it would be much more worth while. Armaghs one used to be a joke the way ours has been the last few years, and then it got revamped and they see it as a big thing in armagh now. No reason this can't be done here for the sake of the players who aren't regular senior starters and too old for
minor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 20, 2009, 03:49:18 PM
theres no need for this under-21 league or any form of club football in the months december and january
players need a break for a few weeks having trained since January or Ferbruary and the season only coming to a close now - or another fortnight for teams in play offs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on October 20, 2009, 04:46:39 PM
st.pauls, havent been on in a while so apologies for late response. i was merely repeating what i had been told from a st.pauls man, i was not out to stir the pot.

Quote from: DownFanatic on October 20, 2009, 02:55:49 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 20, 2009, 02:40:06 PM
Is it true that the u21/20 competition in down starts next week? Anyone know the format this year?

Also congrats to the two down girls who got camogie all stars this week!

An absolutely pointless competition in my eyes. Entry fee is astronomical and most teams only get two games.

The last thing players in this age group want to be doing now is training for a competition that will inevitably stretch out to the end of January.

if they didnt want to play they wouldnt. a good competition that allows those who want to play football at this time of year to do so, and give them some preparation for joining the seniors later on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 20, 2009, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on October 20, 2009, 04:46:39 PM
st.pauls, havent been on in a while so apologies for late response. i was merely repeating what i had been told from a st.pauls man, i was not out to stir the pot.

Quote from: DownFanatic on October 20, 2009, 02:55:49 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 20, 2009, 02:40:06 PM
Is it true that the u21/20 competition in down starts next week? Anyone know the format this year?

Also congrats to the two down girls who got camogie all stars this week!

An absolutely pointless competition in my eyes. Entry fee is astronomical and most teams only get two games.

The last thing players in this age group want to be doing now is training for a competition that will inevitably stretch out to the end of January.

if they didnt want to play they wouldnt. a good competition that allows those who want to play football at this time of year to do so, and give them some preparation for joining the seniors later on

Most of the fellas in this age group don't want to play. Thats why the majority of clubs in the county don't field teams in it and why around half the teams in this year's competition will be amalgamations which will probably rely on Minor players to makeup the bulk of their squads.

Most players in the U18 - U20 bracket are coming off a season where they will have played in at least two grades of the following: Senior, Premier Reserve and Reserve football. A good few players will also be involved in Ulster and Down playoff campaigns not to mention a lock of lads who will be trialing and playing for Fresher teams and Ryan Cup teams.

And lest we not forget the Minors who have been going since the tail end of 2008 with their colleges, who have been playing with their Minors all year and in some cases had runouts or extended game time with their Seniors and Reserves.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on October 20, 2009, 05:14:43 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on October 20, 2009, 04:46:39 PM
st.pauls, havent been on in a while so apologies for late response. i was merely repeating what i had been told from a st.pauls man, i was not out to stir the pot.

no worries mate!! i suppose i am just touchy after the way the season has panned out, and to be honest, i couldn't blame the manager if he moved on the way we have played in some games this season.  :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 20, 2009, 05:32:10 PM
Prediction league

a big thanks to Umpire for running this again this year and well done to Bacon for winning it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 20, 2009, 07:57:08 PM
anyone know when and where the Darragh Cross v Downpatrick game is on this week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 20, 2009, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 20, 2009, 05:32:10 PM
Prediction league

a big thanks to Umpire for running this again this year and well done to Bacon for winning it

Yeah fair play to you Umpire. There was a load of work involved in that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on October 20, 2009, 09:18:30 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 20, 2009, 05:32:10 PM
Prediction league

a big thanks to Umpire for running this again this year and well done to Bacon for winning it

X2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on October 20, 2009, 10:10:40 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 20, 2009, 07:57:08 PM
anyone know when and where the Darragh Cross v Downpatrick game is on this week?


Thursday in downpatrick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on October 20, 2009, 10:35:36 PM
Anyone got tonight's U16 Final Result?  Com'on Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 20, 2009, 10:49:29 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 20, 2009, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 20, 2009, 05:32:10 PM
Prediction league

a big thanks to Umpire for running this again this year and well done to Bacon for winning it

Yeah fair play to you Umpire. There was a load of work involved in that.

Thank you. its was fun.

16 entered in prediction league last year.
64 this time around.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 20, 2009, 11:01:29 PM
Prediction League,

Paul Welsh, Sport Editor of Newry Reporter will contact the top five leaders  Bacon, DownFanatic, Mid Down Gael, off the laces and thewobbler by PM

Don't get too excited,

I will take this opportunely to congratulate the top five leaders, and also to all contestants who took part in this competition, yep we all do better next year!!

Once again, i like to thank Paul Welsh for his kind offer in providing the prizes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 21, 2009, 10:21:15 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 20, 2009, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 20, 2009, 05:32:10 PM
Prediction league

a big thanks to Umpire for running this again this year and well done to Bacon for winning it

Yeah fair play to you Umpire. There was a load of work involved in that.
yeah well done umpire and will look forward to next year already.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Donegal Danny on October 21, 2009, 10:25:13 AM
What about Kilcoo how are their preparations going for Ulster, i know St Eunan's are training hard and putting in a big effort. Heard the Kilcoo captain was carried off near the end against Ulster on Monday night.Michael Murphy was the star of the show scoring 1-4 before being rested for the 2 half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on October 21, 2009, 10:31:09 AM
Quote: Anyone got tonight's U16 Final Result?  Com'on Kilcoo.

Kilcoo Under 16's got well beat last night by Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 21, 2009, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: Donegal Danny on October 21, 2009, 10:25:13 AM
What about Kilcoo how are their preparations going for Ulster, i know St Eunan's are training hard and putting in a big effort. Heard the Kilcoo captain was carried off near the end against Ulster on Monday night.Michael Murphy was the star of the show scoring 1-4 before being rested for the 2 half.

Yeah we lost our influential captain to an ankle injury which looks like will end his season. Team playing well in Down but last 3 games against Saval, Warrenpoint and Castlewellan have been no benefit as the opposition in each case have been poor. Had a good workout against the provinces finest stars on Monday night though. Letterkenny will pose a mighty test but with a bit off luck we will not be far away and hopefully gain our first taste off glory in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on October 21, 2009, 01:50:45 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 20, 2009, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on October 20, 2009, 04:46:39 PM
st.pauls, havent been on in a while so apologies for late response. i was merely repeating what i had been told from a st.pauls man, i was not out to stir the pot.

Quote from: DownFanatic on October 20, 2009, 02:55:49 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 20, 2009, 02:40:06 PM
Is it true that the u21/20 competition in down starts next week? Anyone know the format this year?

Also congrats to the two down girls who got camogie all stars this week!

An absolutely pointless competition in my eyes. Entry fee is astronomical and most teams only get two games.

The last thing players in this age group want to be doing now is training for a competition that will inevitably stretch out to the end of January.

if they didnt want to play they wouldnt. a good competition that allows those who want to play football at this time of year to do so, and give them some preparation for joining the seniors later on

Most of the fellas in this age group don't want to play. Thats why the majority of clubs in the county don't field teams in it and why around half the teams in this year's competition will be amalgamations which will probably rely on Minor players to makeup the bulk of their squads.

Most players in the U18 - U20 bracket are coming off a season where they will have played in at least two grades of the following: Senior, Premier Reserve and Reserve football. A good few players will also be involved in Ulster and Down playoff campaigns not to mention a lock of lads who will be trialing and playing for Fresher teams and Ryan Cup teams.

And lest we not forget the Minors who have been going since the tail end of 2008 with their colleges, who have been playing with their Minors all year and in some cases had runouts or extended game time with their Seniors and Reserves.



i accept what your saying but while lads are turning out to train and play (which they are or there would be no competition) then they should be given the opportunity to. Boys playing on freshers teams are training twice a week and have ample time to play u20s with all their free time, surely more beneficial than sitting in the bot ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on October 21, 2009, 05:10:28 PM
Hello there folks - having been reading the down pages for quite a while now but have never posted anything before.  So here it go's.  I am living in England and love to read about the goings on back home, especially but the local football.  A question for A.Mallon or Bridge Lad, would it be possible to write up a report on the kingdom and bridge friendly on Thursday evening.  Am interested to see how we fair out aganist a division 1 team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 21, 2009, 07:38:46 PM
Quote from: razor on October 21, 2009, 10:31:09 AM
Quote: Anyone got tonight's U16 Final Result?  Com'on Kilcoo.

Kilcoo Under 16's got well beat last night by Burren.

Surprised at that to be honest, what was the score?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on October 21, 2009, 08:21:08 PM
I just heard they got well beat.
I was not at the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on October 21, 2009, 08:29:30 PM
Burren 2-14 Kilcoo 1-8. That was the score last night in the Under 16 game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on October 21, 2009, 09:50:53 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 21, 2009, 11:33:26 AM
Quote from: Donegal Danny on October 21, 2009, 10:25:13 AM
What about Kilcoo how are their preparations going for Ulster, i know St Eunan's are training hard and putting in a big effort. Heard the Kilcoo captain was carried off near the end against Ulster on Monday night.Michael Murphy was the star of the show scoring 1-4 before being rested for the 2 half.

Yeah we lost our influential captain to an ankle injury which looks like will end his season. Team playing well in Down but last 3 games against Saval, Warrenpoint and Castlewellan have been no benefit as the opposition in each case have been poor. Had a good workout against the provinces finest stars on Monday night though. Letterkenny will pose a mighty test but with a bit off luck we will not be far away and hopefully gain our first taste off glory in Ulster.

Wishing Kilcoo good luck for for this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 22, 2009, 09:17:58 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on October 21, 2009, 01:50:45 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 20, 2009, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on October 20, 2009, 04:46:39 PM
st.pauls, havent been on in a while so apologies for late response. i was merely repeating what i had been told from a st.pauls man, i was not out to stir the pot.

Quote from: DownFanatic on October 20, 2009, 02:55:49 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 20, 2009, 02:40:06 PM
Is it true that the u21/20 competition in down starts next week? Anyone know the format this year?

Also congrats to the two down girls who got camogie all stars this week!

An absolutely pointless competition in my eyes. Entry fee is astronomical and most teams only get two games.

The last thing players in this age group want to be doing now is training for a competition that will inevitably stretch out to the end of January.

if they didnt want to play they wouldnt. a good competition that allows those who want to play football at this time of year to do so, and give them some preparation for joining the seniors later on

Most of the fellas in this age group don't want to play. Thats why the majority of clubs in the county don't field teams in it and why around half the teams in this year's competition will be amalgamations which will probably rely on Minor players to makeup the bulk of their squads.

Most players in the U18 - U20 bracket are coming off a season where they will have played in at least two grades of the following: Senior, Premier Reserve and Reserve football. A good few players will also be involved in Ulster and Down playoff campaigns not to mention a lock of lads who will be trialing and playing for Fresher teams and Ryan Cup teams.

And lest we not forget the Minors who have been going since the tail end of 2008 with their colleges, who have been playing with their Minors all year and in some cases had runouts or extended game time with their Seniors and Reserves.



i accept what your saying but while lads are turning out to train and play (which they are or there would be no competition) then they should be given the opportunity to. Boys playing on freshers teams are training twice a week and have ample time to play u20s with all their free time, surely more beneficial than sitting in the bot ?

so no is the answer to my original question then? I agree DU by the way!
Title: ACFL Div 2
Post by: No1 on October 22, 2009, 02:20:59 PM
Any of the Darragh Cross boys on here tell me if youse are intending to put up a scrap tonight?

I'd hate to think youse are gonna give those hoors an easy ride into a semi final.
Title: Re: ACFL Div 2
Post by: gorm agus bui on October 22, 2009, 02:54:12 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 22, 2009, 02:20:59 PM
Any of the Darragh Cross boys on here tell me if youse are intending to put up a scrap tonight?

I'd hate to think youse are gonna give those hoors an easy ride into a semi final.
Whats your issue with our Hooped mates, No 1
seem to remember Bryansford put a 3rds team out against youse last year to keep you out of relegation play offs and put DPK in to the mire
Title: Re: ACFL Div 2
Post by: johnneycool on October 22, 2009, 03:24:51 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 22, 2009, 02:20:59 PM
Any of the Darragh Cross boys on here tell me if youse are intending to put up a scrap tonight?

I'd hate to think youse are gonna give those hoors an easy ride into a semi final.

Are your lads kicking big ball again this weekend or is there a chance of getting the Joe McCrickard played?
Title: Div 2
Post by: No1 on October 22, 2009, 03:35:23 PM
Gorm, no issue in particular just friendly local rivalry but you can take Willie Walsh's gub as a starting point if you like.

I have a different recollection of the game you mention.  I remember a pretty strong Bryansford outfit that day who turned on the dirt when they realised it wasn't going to be the cakewalk they expected.

JC, if the RGU beat Darragh Cross tonight then the football season is over for us so the boys can hurl all the way to Christmas if they like!  Our dual players have all made themselves available for every hurling fixture this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 22, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
Well No.1 did you make it through to  the semis??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ITS KAAAT on October 22, 2009, 09:14:08 PM
Down v donegal next year fixture
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 22, 2009, 09:56:08 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 22, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
Well No.1 did you make it through to  the semis??
nope ;D
Hoops won 3-14 to 1-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 23, 2009, 08:31:34 AM
East Down Reserve League Final Result from last night,

Kilcoo 1-17 Castlewellan 0-6.

Nice to have another piece off silverware for the club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 23, 2009, 09:07:45 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 23, 2009, 08:31:34 AM
East Down Reserve League Final Result from last night,

Kilcoo 1-17 Castlewellan 0-6.

Nice to have another piece off silverware for the club.

Big reverse from Sundays result ??? Kilcoo having a top season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 23, 2009, 09:12:43 AM
QuoteQuote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 22, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
Well No.1 did you make it through to  the semis??

nope
Hoops won 3-14 to 1-5

That wasn't an unexpected result.  We didn't deserve third spot anyway, we weren't consistent enough, again.  ::)

Don't think we are quite ready for senior championship or Division 1!

Good luck to the Harps on Sunday.   ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 23, 2009, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 23, 2009, 09:12:43 AM
QuoteQuote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 22, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
Well No.1 did you make it through to  the semis??

nope
Hoops won 3-14 to 1-5

That wasn't an unexpected result.  We didn't deserve third spot anyway, we weren't consistent enough, again.  ::)

Don't think we are quite ready for senior championship or Division 1!

Good luck to the Harps on Sunday.   ;D

Will Burnsey stay on next year no1?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 23, 2009, 09:16:41 AM
You'd have to ask a Darragh Cross man that!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 23, 2009, 09:48:03 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 23, 2009, 09:12:43 AM
QuoteQuote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 22, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
Well No.1 did you make it through to  the semis??

nope
Hoops won 3-14 to 1-5

That wasn't an unexpected result.  We didn't deserve third spot anyway, we weren't consistent enough, again.  ::)

Don't think we are quite ready for senior championship or Division 1!

Good luck to the Harps on Sunday.   ;D
Never mind. There's always the Harry Clarke and the Bobby Dalzell instead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 23, 2009, 10:02:38 AM
You are right there is, but as we are a proper GAA club we'll concentrate on finishing the hurling season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 23, 2009, 10:13:21 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 23, 2009, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 23, 2009, 09:12:43 AM
QuoteQuote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 22, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
Well No.1 did you make it through to  the semis??

nope
Hoops won 3-14 to 1-5

That wasn't an unexpected result.  We didn't deserve third spot anyway, we weren't consistent enough, again.  ::)

Don't think we are quite ready for senior championship or Division 1!

Good luck to the Harps on Sunday.   ;D

Will Burnsey stay on next year no1?

I hope to god he does or the rent might go up to £3000 per month for the use of Bryansford's hall ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 23, 2009, 10:44:33 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 23, 2009, 10:02:38 AM
You are right there is, but as we are a proper GAA club we'll concentrate on finishing the hurling season.
Ach sure if you played the matches when originally scheduled they would be finished by now and you wouldn't be trying to reschedule Newcastle League fixtures
Tell all the lads thanks very much for the entrance money last night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 23, 2009, 10:58:09 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 23, 2009, 10:02:38 AM
You are right there is, but as we are a proper GAA club we'll concentrate on finishing the hurling season.

on that issue, is there any reason why Liatroim aren't fulfilling any hurling fixtures, are they in any fitba playoffs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 23, 2009, 01:27:01 PM
Quote from: norabeag on October 22, 2009, 09:56:08 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 22, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
Well No.1 did you make it through to  the semis??
nope ;D
Hoops won 3-14 to 1-5
Darragh fielded a mix of minors/reserves/few seniors in a meaningless fixture.

Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 23, 2009, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 23, 2009, 09:12:43 AM
QuoteQuote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 22, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
Well No.1 did you make it through to  the semis??

nope
Hoops won 3-14 to 1-5

That wasn't an unexpected result.  We didn't deserve third spot anyway, we weren't consistent enough, again.  ::)

Don't think we are quite ready for senior championship or Division 1!

Good luck to the Harps on Sunday.   ;D

Will Burnsey stay on next year no1?

Hope he does
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 23, 2009, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 23, 2009, 10:13:21 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 23, 2009, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 23, 2009, 09:12:43 AM
QuoteQuote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 22, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
Well No.1 did you make it through to  the semis??

nope
Hoops won 3-14 to 1-5

That wasn't an unexpected result.  We didn't deserve third spot anyway, we weren't consistent enough, again.  ::)

Don't think we are quite ready for senior championship or Division 1!

Good luck to the Harps on Sunday.   ;D

Will Burnsey stay on next year no1?

I hope to god he does or the rent might go up to £3000 per month for the use of Bryansford's hall ;D

WTF has a simple question got to do with our hall?
Why not rent them your wonderful setup....
Now go and ask Emmett what reply you will make....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 23, 2009, 02:02:19 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on October 23, 2009, 01:27:01 PM
Quote from: norabeag on October 22, 2009, 09:56:08 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 22, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
Well No.1 did you make it through to  the semis??
nope ;D
Hoops won 3-14 to 1-5
Darragh fielded a mix of minors/reserves/few seniors in a meaningless fixture.

Appreciate you fielded avery week team but it certainly wasn't meanigless to us and indeed not to the many Kilclief men who showed up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 23, 2009, 02:12:19 PM
Quote from: conormac on October 21, 2009, 05:10:28 PM
Hello there folks - having been reading the down pages for quite a while now but have never posted anything before.  So here it go's.  I am living in England and love to read about the goings on back home, especially but the local football.  A question for A.Mallon or Bridge Lad, would it be possible to write up a report on the kingdom and bridge friendly on Thursday evening.  Am interested to see how we fair out aganist a division 1 team

Bridge 4.15 Kingdom 1.13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 23, 2009, 02:41:27 PM
Quote from: norabeag on October 23, 2009, 02:02:19 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on October 23, 2009, 01:27:01 PM
Quote from: norabeag on October 22, 2009, 09:56:08 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 22, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
Well No.1 did you make it through to  the semis??
nope ;D
Hoops won 3-14 to 1-5
Darragh fielded a mix of minors/reserves/few seniors in a meaningless fixture.

Appreciate you fielded avery week team but it certainly wasn't meanigless to us and indeed not to the many Kilclief men who showed up


Appreciated
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Colonel Cool on October 23, 2009, 02:46:28 PM
Brian Cody is signing his book in Ballycran tomorrow at 12.00 for anyone looking for a Christmas present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 23, 2009, 03:12:17 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on October 23, 2009, 02:46:28 PM
Brian Cody is signing his book in Ballycran tomorrow at 12.00 for anyone looking for a Christmas present.

Nice to have you back on Seamus, hope everyone is well for sunday and all the best, I think you's just might do it with a bit of luck going your way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 23, 2009, 03:28:46 PM
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Quote from: norabeag on October 22, 2009, 09:56:08 PM
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Well No.1 did you make it through to  the semis??

nope
Hoops won 3-14 to 1-5

Darragh fielded a mix of minors/reserves/few seniors in a meaningless fixture.

Appreciate you fielded avery week team but it certainly wasn't meanigless to us and indeed not to the many Kilclief men who showed up



Appreciated



FFS, get a room.

;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: county colours on October 23, 2009, 03:39:00 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on October 23, 2009, 02:46:28 PM
Brian Cody is signing his book in Ballycran tomorrow at 12.00 for anyone looking for a Christmas present.

I hope ther isn't a repeat of the leona lewis book-signing incident over on the Ards peninsula tomorow    ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 23, 2009, 04:07:19 PM
Quote from: county colours on October 23, 2009, 03:39:00 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on October 23, 2009, 02:46:28 PM
Brian Cody is signing his book in Ballycran tomorrow at 12.00 for anyone looking for a Christmas present.

I hope ther isn't a repeat of the leona lewis book-signing incident over on the Ards peninsula tomorow    ;D ;D

Theyre waiting for the Donal Og Cusack book signing over in the Cran before that will happen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 23, 2009, 04:26:06 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 23, 2009, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 23, 2009, 10:13:21 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 23, 2009, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 23, 2009, 09:12:43 AM
QuoteQuote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 22, 2009, 09:05:49 PM
Well No.1 did you make it through to  the semis??

nope
Hoops won 3-14 to 1-5

That wasn't an unexpected result.  We didn't deserve third spot anyway, we weren't consistent enough, again.  ::)

Don't think we are quite ready for senior championship or Division 1!

Good luck to the Harps on Sunday.   ;D

Will Burnsey stay on next year no1?

I hope to god he does or the rent might go up to £3000 per month for the use of Bryansford's hall ;D

WTF has a simple question got to do with our hall?Why not rent them your wonderful setup....
Now go and ask Emmett what reply you will make....

It was just an observation that the last time a manager with Bryansford connections didn't get a management job, the rent for your hall went up as a result (according to a poster on this board), don't be getting all wound up now spirit ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on October 23, 2009, 09:48:10 PM
just home from Parc Esler where a determined Bryansford outfit beat a Kilcoo team less so  to qualify for the div.1 league final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 23, 2009, 10:50:20 PM
Ford beat us well and fair dues to them very strong and was a good game for us before ulsters next weekend.. King will be some asset to down this year... they were able to bring sbs on like Gribben, kearney, clarke and Travers which was a big help to them too...
Mournerambler is it true that annalong apprentice boys practice in your clubrooms over the winter?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 23, 2009, 10:59:55 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on October 23, 2009, 10:50:20 PM
Ford beat us well and fair dues to them very strong and was a good game for us before ulsters next weekend.. King will be some asset to down this year... they were able to bring sbs on like Gribben, kearney, clarke and Travers which was a big help to them too...
Mournerambler is it true that annalong apprentice boys practice in your clubrooms over the winter?

No, it's the Pride of Ballinran band that uses it :D, we get a good old hand shake for making it available for cross-community use & therefore don't need to stick the arm into those fellow gaels who have looked after us over the years ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 24, 2009, 05:28:10 PM
Can anyone confirm Ross Carr as the new manager of longstone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 24, 2009, 06:25:08 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 24, 2009, 05:28:10 PM
Can anyone confirm Ross Carr as the new manager of longstone?

Is that from a reliable source Spirit?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 25, 2009, 10:38:54 AM
Did Kilcoo rest many players for the Ford game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 25, 2009, 12:17:04 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 23, 2009, 10:59:55 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on October 23, 2009, 10:50:20 PM
Ford beat us well and fair dues to them very strong and was a good game for us before ulsters next weekend.. King will be some asset to down this year... they were able to bring sbs on like Gribben, kearney, clarke and Travers which was a big help to them too...
Mournerambler is it true that annalong apprentice boys practice in your clubrooms over the winter?

No, it's the Pride of Ballinran band that uses it :D, we get a good old hand shake for making it available for cross-community use & therefore don't need to stick the arm into those fellow gaels who have looked after us over the years ;D

Is this true? if it is fair play to yis, thats excellent community spirit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 25, 2009, 12:22:46 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 25, 2009, 12:17:04 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 23, 2009, 10:59:55 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on October 23, 2009, 10:50:20 PM
Ford beat us well and fair dues to them very strong and was a good game for us before ulsters next weekend.. King will be some asset to down this year... they were able to bring sbs on like Gribben, kearney, clarke and Travers which was a big help to them too...
Mournerambler is it true that annalong apprentice boys practice in your clubrooms over the winter?

No, it's the Pride of Ballinran band that uses it :D, we get a good old hand shake for making it available for cross-community use & therefore don't need to stick the arm into those fellow gaels who have looked after us over the years ;D

Is this true? if it is fair play to yis, thats excellent community spirit.

Ever heard of the saying 'take it with a pinch of salt' charlie?
Take this with a large pinch & the light heartedness in which it was meant to be taken!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 25, 2009, 01:34:08 PM
Glenn beat Dundrum 3-10 to 2-12 yesterday in the last game of the Division 3 season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 25, 2009, 01:54:49 PM
With the Leagues finalised the following will be the lineups for the 2010 Championships.

SFC

Mayobridge
Bryansford
Kilcoo
Burren
Longstone
Rostrevor
Castlewellan
Clonduff
Liatroim
Saval
Loughinisland
Warrenpoint
An Riocht
Ballyholland
Downpatrick
Ballymartin


IFC

Kilclief
Annaclone
Atticall
Clann na Banna
Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross
Shamrocks
Carryduff
Tullylish
Glenn
Drumgath
Bredagh
Dundrum
St Johns
Ardglass
Saul


JFC

Teconnaught
St Pauls
Drumaness
Aghaderg
Bosco
St Michaels
Mitchels
Dromara
Aughlisnafin
Bright
Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 25, 2009, 04:44:36 PM
Div 2 play off
Shamrocks 1.10 Glasdrumman 2.7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 25, 2009, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 25, 2009, 04:44:36 PM
Div 2 play off
Shamrocks 1.10 Glasdrumman 2.7

Was there not supposed to be extra time for these games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on October 25, 2009, 05:23:14 PM
Saval 1-6 Liatroim 1-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 25, 2009, 05:37:22 PM
The teams that finish 2nd, 3rd and 4th from the bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will play off with 2 of these 3 teams also being relegated in this year (2009). (A draw will be made for the 1st play-off game and the loser of this game will play the 3rd team).

Today's games, we had no losers!!!!! 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 25, 2009, 05:39:32 PM
Saval v Liatriom was a poor game and how Saval let it slip i will never know. they led by 4 with 3 minutes left. On this evidence Loughinisland should survive as these two poor teams could only score 1-6 each on a good day for football. Brendan Rice gave Liatriom every opportunity with some very dubious decisions. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 25, 2009, 05:45:50 PM
Quote from: amallon on October 25, 2009, 10:38:54 AM
Did Kilcoo rest many players for the Ford game?

No, apart from Gerard McEvoy, Gary McEvoy and Aidan Brannigan we where at full strength. The ford deserved their victory with gubber kearney scoring two fantastic goals. Kilcoo should never of had to fulfill this fixture so close to next Sunday. Clearly Kilcoo players minds where on the St Eunans clash.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 25, 2009, 05:49:31 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 25, 2009, 05:45:50 PM
Quote from: amallon on October 25, 2009, 10:38:54 AM
Did Kilcoo rest many players for the Ford game?

No, apart from Gerard McEvoy, Gary McEvoy and Aidan Brannigan we where at full strength. The ford deserved their victory with gubber kearney scoring two fantastic goals. Kilcoo should never of had to fulfill this fixture so close to next Sunday. Clearly Kilcoo players minds where on the St Eunans clash.

Agree totally MDG,Good luck v St Eunans.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 25, 2009, 05:57:05 PM
All County Football Leagues
(a) Year 1: 2009 - The team that finishes in 1st place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play in their respective league finals. The teams that finish in 2nd and 3rd place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play each other with the winner of this game progressing to their respective league finals. The league winner only in Divisions 2, 3 and 4 will be promoted in this year (2009). The team that finishes bottom of Divisions 1,2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will be automatically relegated.

The teams that finish 2nd, 3rd and 4th from the bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will play off with 2 of these 3 teams also being relegated in this year (2009). (A draw will be made for the 1st play-off game and the loser of this game will play the 3rd team).

(b) Year 2: 2010 - The team that finishes in 1st place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play in their respective league finals. The teams that finish in 2nd and 3rd place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play each other with the winner of this game progressing to their respective league finals. Both finalists in Division 2 will be promoted in this year (2010). The
league winner only in Divisions 3 and 4 will be promoted in this year (2010).

The team that finishes bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will be automatically relegated. The teams that finish 2nd & 3rd from the bottom of Division 1 after the ordinary round stages will play each other with the loser also being relegated. The teams that finish 2nd, 3rd and 4th from the bottom of Divisions 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will playoff and 2 of these 3 teams will also be relegated in this year (2010).
(A draw will be made for the 1st play-off game and the loser of this game will play the 3rd team).

(c) Year 3: 2011 - After 2 years Divisions 1 & 2 would have 10 teams each, Division 3 would have 12 teams and Division 4 would have 11 teams. At this stage the team that finishes in 1st place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play in their respective league finals.

The teams that finish in 2nd and 3rd place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play each other with the winner of this game progressing to their respective league finals. Both finalists in Divisions 2, 3 & 4 will be promoted thereafter. The team that finishes bottom of Divisions 1,2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will be
automatically relegated. The teams that finish 2nd & 3rd from the bottom of Divisions 1,2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will play each other with the loser also being relegated.

(d) Where teams finish on equal points, finishing position shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:
(i) Where two Teams only are involved - the outcome of the meetings of the two Teams in the previous games in the Competition i.e. the combined scores of he two games;
(ii) Scoring Difference (Subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For);
(iii) Highest Total Score For;
(iv) Scoring Average (Divide total Scores Against into total Scores For).

In the event of any of the Play-off games for promotion or relegation ending in a draw, extra time of ten minutes each way will be played.

(e) A team failing to fulfil a fixture shall forfeit two league points to the opposing team and shall have five scoring points deducted from their aggregate score in games played. Five scoring points shall be added to the opposing team's aggregate in games played.

(f) The County Competitions Control Committee may designate a "cut-off" date, which will be notified to clubs before the start of the league. The league positions of teams after the "cut-off" date shall be regarded as the final position in the ordinary league rounds.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on October 25, 2009, 06:08:55 PM
Any score from Ballyholland v Downpatrick?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 25, 2009, 06:11:33 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 25, 2009, 06:08:55 PM
Any score from Ballyholland v Downpatrick?

Heard Ballyholland won by 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on October 25, 2009, 06:13:52 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on October 25, 2009, 06:23:16 PM
Heard Peter Brannigan had a stormer for Ballyholland.
Double yellow handed out to one guy but not shown the line & blatant penalty denied at the death as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 25, 2009, 06:47:43 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on October 25, 2009, 06:23:16 PM
Heard Peter Brannigan had a stormer for Ballyholland.
Double yellow handed out to one guy but not shown the line & blatant penalty denied at the death as well

Cant argue about the penalty but you're wrong about the double yellow card.

BTW Brannigan was dire for both teams...Harps deserved it...better team by far in the 2nd half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 25, 2009, 07:12:14 PM
Drumaness v teconnaught?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaaddict on October 25, 2009, 07:33:19 PM
Heard Drumaness won 3-8 to 0-12 and got 3 very soft goals!
Title: ACFL Div 2
Post by: No1 on October 25, 2009, 08:58:46 PM
Congrats to the Harps, now what the f**k are yiz gonna do about The Messiah in the final?!   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 25, 2009, 09:44:20 PM
Hoops scored just three from play, and not once for over 30 mins during the 2nd half when playing with the breeze. So if they're holding the referee responsible for defeat, I suggest they look elsewhere.

Don't tell anyone no.1, but we're working on a tactic which means I'll be marking Clarke Jnr next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 25, 2009, 10:04:26 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 25, 2009, 09:44:20 PM
Hoops scored just three from play, and not once for over 30 mins during the 2nd half when playing with the breeze. So if they're holding the referee responsible for defeat, I suggest they look elsewhere.

Don't tell anyone no.1, but we're working on a tactic which means I'll be marking Clarke Jnr next week.
No doubt B Holland were better for last 20 mins when Hoops lost their way and the effect of 90 mins yesterday for a lot of the boys was evident but did not get one decision in second half. Gorm was spot on about the second yellow as even the Harps boys around me would testify. All you can expect is fair play and that did not happen and I genuinely wish you all the best in the final
Brannigan was disgrace but we've found that over the last couple of years   with him. We have not won a juvenile or senior game when he has taken charge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 25, 2009, 10:18:39 PM
I'm not sure about the double yellow Nora Beag. I heard a wee murmur from the crowd when James Patterson picked up a yellow halfway through the 2nd half, but nobody seemed too sure, and the lack of shouting/appeal/uproar from the Hoops' players, management and supporters would suggest it wasn't actually a 2nd yellow.

If you guys are now sure it was the case, I'll take your word for it though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 25, 2009, 10:19:13 PM
Quote from: norabeag on October 25, 2009, 10:04:26 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 25, 2009, 09:44:20 PM
Hoops scored just three from play, and not once for over 30 mins during the 2nd half when playing with the breeze. So if they're holding the referee responsible for defeat, I suggest they look elsewhere.

Don't tell anyone no.1, but we're working on a tactic which means I'll be marking Clarke Jnr next week.
No doubt B Holland were better for last 20 mins when Hoops lost their way and the effect of 90 mins yesterday for a lot of the boys was evident but did not get one decision in second half. Gorm was spot on about the second yellow as even the Harps boys around me would testify. All you can expect is fair play and that did not happen and I genuinely wish you all the best in the final
Brannigan was disgrace but we've found that over the last couple of years   with him. We have not won a juvenile or senior game when he has taken charge.

Your beginning to sound a wee bit like Towngael there noarbeag & I find it hard to believe the referee was the cause of you not winning all these games you refer to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 25, 2009, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 25, 2009, 10:18:39 PM
I'm not sure about the double yellow Nora Beag. I heard a wee murmur from the crowd when James Patterson picked up a yellow halfway through the 2nd half, but nobody seemed too sure, and the lack of shouting/appeal/uproar from the Hoops' players, management and supporters would suggest it wasn't actually a 2nd yellow.

If you guys are now sure it was the case, I'll take your word for it though.
My final word on it is good luck next week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 26, 2009, 07:57:35 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 25, 2009, 05:45:50 PM
Quote from: amallon on October 25, 2009, 10:38:54 AM
Did Kilcoo rest many players for the Ford game?

No, apart from Gerard McEvoy, Gary McEvoy and Aidan Brannigan we where at full strength. The ford deserved their victory with gubber kearney scoring two fantastic goals. Kilcoo should never of had to fulfill this fixture so close to next Sunday. Clearly Kilcoo players minds where on the St Eunans clash.

On what ruling is this then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 26, 2009, 08:44:54 AM
I'm with you on this one Spirit. If a week isn't enough recuperation time between games, then our sport is far too tough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 26, 2009, 08:51:02 AM
Does anyone know if the date for the Down-Donegal game has been announced yet or when it will be announced?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 26, 2009, 09:07:36 AM
Quote from: county colours on October 23, 2009, 03:39:00 PM
Quote from: Colonel Cool on October 23, 2009, 02:46:28 PM
Brian Cody is signing his book in Ballycran tomorrow at 12.00 for anyone looking for a Christmas present.

I hope ther isn't a repeat of the leona lewis book-signing incident over on the Ards peninsula tomorow    ;D ;D



You'd be a brave man to throw a slap at Brian Cody as you'd be the one looking for help from security before he'd have finished with you.


Disappointed for the Crans yesterday and didn't make it up but from all accounts a few soft goals and a harsh referee didn't help their cause and that's from a club mate who'd be no lover of his neighbours.

From my own experiences Devlin seems to think he needs to protect the Antrim teams as the 'lesser' teams from Down and Derry are going to try and hammer them but more often than not it never transpires into that but his mind is made up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: theskull1 on October 26, 2009, 09:35:13 AM
I'd question your team mates allegiance jc if thats the report he gave you.

Dunloy were the better team and deserved their win. Ballycran up front had a poor day and only for their fortunate goals (who says theres no advantage rule in hurling) it could have been a 10 point game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on October 26, 2009, 10:22:08 AM
Huge result for Drumaness of Sunday. No mater how lucky the goals came te couldnt have bought a win in the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 26, 2009, 10:33:05 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on October 26, 2009, 09:35:13 AM
I'd question your team mates allegiance jc if thats the report he gave you.

Dunloy were the better team and deserved their win. Ballycran up front had a poor day and only for their fortunate goals (who says theres no advantage rule in hurling) it could have been a 10 point game

He also said that Dunloy were indeed the better team but Ballycran kinda shot themselves in the foot with the goals they conceeded and might have made a better fist of it if they hadn't of given those away.
It was always my thoughts that they'd need to be tight as a drum plus get a bit of luck to mount a challenge, they may have got a bit of luck with one of their goals but to give away soft goals meant that they'd struggle to close the gap.

Their half forward line is probably their weakest line but made hay against one of the worst half back lines Ballygalget have ever put out in a championship that I can recall and by all accounts struggled to move the ball on.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 26, 2009, 10:46:09 AM
anyone got this weeks fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 26, 2009, 04:36:41 PM
With the League season near enough over, how's about posters selecting the best 15 players in their club's Division who impressed them over the year.


My Division 3 XV

1. Bernie Connell (Drumgath)

2. Marc Cunningham (Dundrum)
3. Stephen Deegans (Ardglass)
4. Adam King (Saul)

5. Kevin McKiverghan (Tullylish)
6. Gareth Johnston (Tullylish)
7. Mark Connolly (Drumgath)

8. Michael Magee (Ardglass)
9. Colm Murtagh (Glenn)

10. Niall McParland (Glenn)
11. Peter Quinn (Tullylish)
12. Mattie Bagnall (Glenn)

13. Shannon Drainey (Tullylish)
14. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
15. Gerard McAnulty (St Johns)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 26, 2009, 05:13:43 PM
County Board trying to force the div2 league final thru for thursday night which is v unfair on Ballyholland having played yesterday.

Strikes me that they either want Kingdom promoted or the league finished up ASAP

Also Brendan McVeigh's wedding is on Friday, obv something to do with it too.....

What are your thoughts? fair or unfair given we played semi yesterday

>:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 26, 2009, 05:22:07 PM
That sounds extremely unfair not just that you have less days to recover but actually setting such a high profile game mid week at such short notice! Are all your guys on the dole?! Seriously though how do they expect a team to organise their work shifts etc.

If the wedding is on Friday why isn't the game being played Saturday or Sunday??? Seems very bizarre - county board seem to have gotton this one very wrong.

What is your club doing about it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 26, 2009, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 26, 2009, 08:44:54 AM
I'm with you on this one Spirit. If a week isn't enough recuperation time between games, then our sport is far too tough.

Well your neighbours Mayobridge in last decade always got their league fixtures put back when competing in Ulster. I remember waiting 11 weeks the year they last got to the final to face them in a league playoff. Why should the bridge get time to prepare and not Kilcoo? We won a county title on merit and should have the backing and support from county board and its fixture makers just like the bridge got courtesy off their own Sean Rooney. Typical south down bias towards an east down club. Our players couldn go fully committed on friday night with fear off recieving an injury with little time to recover or maybe getting the line say for a late challange on a night where the elements where not ideal for football. There is stil the whole off November to play the league, like we had to play in late November last years final as a result off waiting on the Bridges ulster campaign. All we wanted was consistency. But fair play to Bryansford on the night, they fully deserved their victory.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on October 26, 2009, 07:01:05 PM
Quote from: maldini on October 26, 2009, 10:46:09 AM
anyone got this weeks fixtures?

Thurs 29th Oct 7 30  Burren
Div 2 Final
An Riocht v Ballyholland(D Moore)

Fri 30th Oct 7 30 Pairc Esler
Div 1 Final
Bryansford v Mayobridge(C Reynolds)

Sat 31st Oct 2 30 Portaferry
Betsy Gray Cup Final
Ballygalget v Ballycran

Div 3 Semi Final 3 00 Saval
Drumgath v Glenn(J Burns)

Sun 1st Nov
Div 1 Relegation Play off
Castlewellan 1 00
Liatroim v Saval(G Corrigan)

Div 2 Relegation Play off
Rostrevor 12 30
Glasdrumman  v Shamrocks(G Tumelty)

Div 3 Relegation Play off
Daragh Cross 1 00
Teconnaught v St Pauls(E O Hare)
Title: div2 final joke!
Post by: goldenyears on October 26, 2009, 08:10:14 PM
Tomorrow we are outraged. Totally unfair 4 days after semi final!

I am hoping club refuse to play: we have laid down a number of times before so I hope we fight this.

What is the point in training 10mths for 1 game + get less than 4 days to recover or prepare properly for final!?

Is it co board timetable we are working to; or influence of kingdom officials in count admin at play here?

I am v suspicious about the latter.

I think we should refuse to play, see what they make of that!
Title: Re: div2 final joke!
Post by: dundrumite on October 26, 2009, 09:46:34 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on October 26, 2009, 08:10:14 PM
Tomorrow we are outraged. Totally unfair 4 days after semi final!

I am hoping club refuse to play: we have laid down a number of times before so I hope we fight this.

What is the point in training 10mths for 1 game + get less than 4 days to recover or prepare properly for final!?

Is it co board timetable we are working to; or influence of kingdom officials in count admin at play here?

I am v suspicious about the latter.

I think we should refuse to play, see what they make of that!

Thats a sham of a decision. How did they justify that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on October 26, 2009, 10:00:25 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 26, 2009, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 26, 2009, 08:44:54 AM
I'm with you on this one Spirit. If a week isn't enough recuperation time between games, then our sport is far too tough.

Well your neighbours Mayobridge in last decade always got their league fixtures put back when competing in Ulster. I remember waiting 11 weeks the year they last got to the final to face them in a league playoff. Why should the bridge get time to prepare and not Kilcoo? We won a county title on merit and should have the backing and support from county board and its fixture makers just like the bridge got courtesy off their own Sean Rooney. Typical south down bias towards an east down club. Our players couldn go fully committed on friday night with fear off recieving an injury with little time to recover or maybe getting the line say for a late challange on a night where the elements where not ideal for football. There is stil the whole off November to play the league, like we had to play in late November last years final as a result off waiting on the Bridges ulster campaign. All we wanted was consistency. But fair play to Bryansford on the night, they fully deserved their victory.

Did kilcoo not play Ulster in a friendly last week ? If the players couldn't be fully commited why play a friendly when knowing you had a league match to play.
Title: Div 2 Final sorted
Post by: 5 Sams on October 26, 2009, 10:02:16 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on October 26, 2009, 08:10:14 PM
Tomorrow we are outraged. Totally unfair 4 days after semi final!

I am hoping club refuse to play: we have laid down a number of times before so I hope we fight this.

What is the point in training 10mths for 1 game + get less than 4 days to recover or prepare properly for final!?

Is it co board timetable we are working to; or influence of kingdom officials in count admin at play here?

I am v suspicious about the latter.

I think we should refuse to play, see what they make of that!

Message from the Assistant Secretary
A Chara
Division 2 final will not now be played on Thurs 29th Oct but will be officially fixed for Thurs Nov 12th in Pairc Esler with a 7 30 throw in please also be advised that in the event of a draw at full time 10 mins each way extra time will be played as per Competition rule 7(d)
is mise
Sean O Ruanaidh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 26, 2009, 10:05:03 PM
Result! + totally fair. Well done 5sams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saffron sam2 on October 26, 2009, 10:07:25 PM
You Ballyholland boys must have some clout!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on October 26, 2009, 10:10:35 PM
Why not play it at the weekend? Thursday evening isnt a great time for a game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 26, 2009, 10:10:51 PM
I am finding this most bizarre. One has to presume that the only reason the game has been postponed for 14 days is due to the Kingdom kicking up a fuss about some promises regarding Brendan McVeigh's availability.

Given that the county board blankly refuse to postpone normal league matches even for a player's wedding day, surely this is a position they shouldn't ever have put themselves in.

More bizarre though in my mind - why not just play it the following weekend? Have An Riocht categorically stated they won't play on a weekend day - and if so, why? If not, why force two teams of players to cut off work early? Why force the game to be played under lights when every other league game is played in daylight? It's just all mad.

I can normally figure out why the county board carries through some of its stranger decisions. This one does baffle me though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 26, 2009, 10:14:27 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on October 26, 2009, 10:07:25 PM
You Ballyholland boys must have some clout!

In fairness Sam there was no clout needed...the CCC recognised that the arrangement wasnt fair and they sorted it out...

While its still not ideal because it still seems to be pandering to An Riocht and we would prefer to play in daylight... its still better than playing this Thursday...

End of story..... we'll move on and figure out how to beat the hoors now....
Title: Re: ACFL Div 2
Post by: 5 Sams on October 26, 2009, 10:18:28 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 25, 2009, 08:58:46 PM
Congrats to the Harps, now what the f**k are yiz gonna do about The Messiah in the final?!   ;D

We're gonna play him Centre Half Forward :) :)...there's more than one Down legend back in the fold No 1 ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 26, 2009, 11:13:13 PM
looks like the joke of a county board want Mr Clarke playing at the highest level possible so damn all others who get in the way. Why also are there the same replays happening this week. Was extra time not meant to be played? did the county board forget their own directive of 10 mins each way? Tell you what, Joe Brolly may get a bit of work out of this. THere could be an objection to relegation on the basis that the bye laws syas three go down but the bye laws also say 10 mins should be played. Therefore they have broken their own rules so there all season is null and void. They have effectively created their own rules without approval. Its a bit like An BOrd Ceol down south, they should have the decency to pack it in andlet the wives take over. could be no worse. bloody joke of a county structure. not a working brain in the house. dumb. fustrated. lets just leave the leagues and try again next year. Jesus im annoyed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 27, 2009, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 26, 2009, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 26, 2009, 08:44:54 AM
I'm with you on this one Spirit. If a week isn't enough recuperation time between games, then our sport is far too tough.

Well your neighbours Mayobridge in last decade always got their league fixtures put back when competing in Ulster. I remember waiting 11 weeks the year they last got to the final to face them in a league playoff. Why should the bridge get time to prepare and not Kilcoo? We won a county title on merit and should have the backing and support from county board and its fixture makers just like the bridge got courtesy off their own Sean Rooney. Typical south down bias towards an east down club. Our players couldn go fully committed on friday night with fear off recieving an injury with little time to recover or maybe getting the line say for a late challange on a night where the elements where not ideal for football. There is stil the whole off November to play the league, like we had to play in late November last years final as a result off waiting on the Bridges ulster campaign. All we wanted was consistency. But fair play to Bryansford on the night, they fully deserved their victory.

Very fair points MDG-only 1 way to answer them-beat St Eunans
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 27, 2009, 12:24:28 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 26, 2009, 10:10:51 PM
I am finding this most bizarre. One has to presume that the only reason the game has been postponed for 14 days is due to the Kingdom kicking up a fuss about some promises regarding Brendan McVeigh's availability.

Given that the county board blankly refuse to postpone normal league matches even for a player's wedding day, surely this is a position they shouldn't ever have put themselves in.

More bizarre though in my mind - why not just play it the following weekend? Have An Riocht categorically stated they won't play on a weekend day - and if so, why? If not, why force two teams of players to cut off work early? Why force the game to be played under lights when every other league game is played in daylight? It's just all mad.

I can normally figure out why the county board carries through some of its stranger decisions. This one does baffle me though.

Wobbler,Hopefully now you are getting a flavour of what annoys me about our league structures.Particularly the unpredictable fixtures at this time of year.The farcical nature of replays and matches fixed for thur/fri/sat/sun is totally unfair particularly on shift workers and family men.Your dismissal of Kilcoo's league semi-final fixture versus your reasonable complaint about Ballyholland's Thursday final,is ironic. No matter what posters' opinions are on our club fixtures/league structures,surely we can all agree that the adhoc nature of fixtures at this time of year,must stop.A complicated change to the leagues ,obviously took alot of work this year,but  still the main point is missed.GIVE US A RIGID FIXED FIXTURE PROGRAMME FOR THE WHOLE YEAR! We get it for most of the year,but the onset of September  heralds unnecessary fixture chaos EVERY YEAR!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on October 27, 2009, 01:34:39 AM
I think some people on here are being very unfair to the An Riocht club.  And to be calling them hoors is darnright stupid.  It is the county boards fault not An Riocht's that this game is not being played at the weekend.  If they had of done what they were supposed to do and make a phonecall(4 days notice) to tell Ballyholland that the game was scheduled for Thurseday then there would be non of this slagging going on.  I thought it was common knowledge that the game was scheduled for Thursday even before the semi-final was played- obviously not as most posters seem to know nothing about it.  Too be honest personally as an An Riocht man i didn't think it was fair to play the game so soon after the semi - but again not An Riochts fault but the county boards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 27, 2009, 09:01:03 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 27, 2009, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 26, 2009, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 26, 2009, 08:44:54 AM
I'm with you on this one Spirit. If a week isn't enough recuperation time between games, then our sport is far too tough.

Well your neighbours Mayobridge in last decade always got their league fixtures put back when competing in Ulster. I remember waiting 11 weeks the year they last got to the final to face them in a league playoff. Why should the bridge get time to prepare and not Kilcoo? We won a county title on merit and should have the backing and support from county board and its fixture makers just like the bridge got courtesy off their own Sean Rooney. Typical south down bias towards an east down club. Our players couldn go fully committed on friday night with fear off recieving an injury with little time to recover or maybe getting the line say for a late challange on a night where the elements where not ideal for football. There is stil the whole off November to play the league, like we had to play in late November last years final as a result off waiting on the Bridges ulster campaign. All we wanted was consistency. But fair play to Bryansford on the night, they fully deserved their victory.

Very fair points MDG-only 1 way to answer them-beat St Eunans

What elements are you on about - the night was mild and pitch a dream to play on. Maybe them grapes are for sale in Kilcoo..... ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 27, 2009, 09:24:53 AM
QuoteYour dismissal of Kilcoo's league semi-final fixture versus your reasonable complaint about Ballyholland's Thursday final,is ironic
It's not at all. Kilcoo were always going to have over a full week to plan for a scheduled match, on a Sunday, when players don't tend to work. Ballyholland on the other hand were given 4 days notice about a match to be played on a Tursday evening. There is a big difference between those two scenarios.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 27, 2009, 10:15:53 AM
Quote from: conormac on October 27, 2009, 01:34:39 AM
I think some people on here are being very unfair to the An Riocht club.  And to be calling them hoors is darnright stupid.  It is the county boards fault not An Riocht's that this game is not being played at the weekend.  If they had of done what they were supposed to do and make a phonecall(4 days notice) to tell Ballyholland that the game was scheduled for Thurseday then there would be non of this slagging going on.  I thought it was common knowledge that the game was scheduled for Thursday even before the semi-final was played- obviously not as most posters seem to know nothing about it.  Too be honest personally as an An Riocht man i didn't think it was fair to play the game so soon after the semi - but again not An Riochts fault but the county boards.

Don't be at it now Conor...you know that remark was tongue in cheek and no slight meant at An Ríocht.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 27, 2009, 10:32:22 AM
MDG - I don't think we got any special treatment from Sean Rooney in his two years as fixtures sec.  In 07 we played a league semi-final against An Riocht 4 days after the county final and played in Ulster Sunday week later.

Last year we played the county final, the following Sunday we played Clonduff in a derby game and they following Sunday we played in Ulster.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 27, 2009, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 27, 2009, 09:01:03 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 27, 2009, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 26, 2009, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 26, 2009, 08:44:54 AM
I'm with you on this one Spirit. If a week isn't enough recuperation time between games, then our sport is far too tough.

Well your neighbours Mayobridge in last decade always got their league fixtures put back when competing in Ulster. I remember waiting 11 weeks the year they last got to the final to face them in a league playoff. Why should the bridge get time to prepare and not Kilcoo? We won a county title on merit and should have the backing and support from county board and its fixture makers just like the bridge got courtesy off their own Sean Rooney. Typical south down bias towards an east down club. Our players couldn go fully committed on friday night with fear off recieving an injury with little time to recover or maybe getting the line say for a late challange on a night where the elements where not ideal for football. There is stil the whole off November to play the league, like we had to play in late November last years final as a result off waiting on the Bridges ulster campaign. All we wanted was consistency. But fair play to Bryansford on the night, they fully deserved their victory.

Very fair points MDG-only 1 way to answer them-beat St Eunans

What elements are you on about - the night was mild and pitch a dream to play on. Maybe them grapes are for sale in Kilcoo..... ;D

eh the shower off rain at end off first half resulting in a slippy surface. If you cared to read my last sentance and a previous post regarding the game you will see i said Bryansford fully deserved their victory. So no sour grapes involved and with a championship tucked away and an ulster club game in sunday why would i be sour. Also we have collected two league titles in recent years so when the ford match that you can let me know. I rate Bryansford as a very impressive side and im sure you would swap places with us at this minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 27, 2009, 01:09:00 PM
Are Liatroim and Saval being asked to play again this Sunday, because someone forgot to tell the ref to play extra time?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 27, 2009, 01:17:26 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 25, 2009, 05:57:05 PM

In the event of any of the Play-off games for promotion or relegation ending in a draw, extra time of ten minutes each way will be played.



Just checked this quote from umpire outlining the rules and it does appear that a right royal balls up has occurred. Not that at particularly causes us bother, (apart from the usual interminable time the playoffs take)  but I would be somewhat annoyed if I was from Saval or Liatroim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 27, 2009, 01:49:28 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 26, 2009, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 26, 2009, 08:44:54 AM
I'm with you on this one Spirit. If a week isn't enough recuperation time between games, then our sport is far too tough.

Well your neighbours Mayobridge in last decade always got their league fixtures put back when competing in Ulster. I remember waiting 11 weeks the year they last got to the final to face them in a league playoff. Why should the bridge get time to prepare and not Kilcoo? We won a county title on merit and should have the backing and support from county board and its fixture makers just like the bridge got courtesy off their own Sean Rooney. Typical south down bias towards an east down club. Our players couldn go fully committed on friday night with fear off recieving an injury with little time to recover or maybe getting the line say for a late challange on a night where the elements where not ideal for football. There is stil the whole off November to play the league, like we had to play in late November last years final as a result off waiting on the Bridges ulster campaign. All we wanted was consistency. But fair play to Bryansford on the night, they fully deserved their victory.

I think your unfair in singling out Sean Rooney, this man has the hardest job in the county and he a fair and totally honest administrator!!!! In my eyes,a game against Byransford ten days before your Ulster club match in Pairc Esler is a perfect warm up!!!! The Ford would be very similar in terms of physicality to St Eunans!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 27, 2009, 03:25:50 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 27, 2009, 01:17:26 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 25, 2009, 05:57:05 PM

In the event of any of the Play-off games for promotion or relegation ending in a draw, extra time of ten minutes each way will be played.



Just checked this quote from umpire outlining the rules and it does appear that a right royal balls up has occurred. Not that at particularly causes us bother, (apart from the usual interminable time the playoffs take)  but I would be somewhat annoyed if I was from Saval or Liatroim.

But it is a round robin format, not knock out like the championship so a draw is a valid result.  It is 1 point each for both teams in the mini league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 27, 2009, 04:41:50 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 27, 2009, 01:49:28 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 26, 2009, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 26, 2009, 08:44:54 AM
I'm with you on this one Spirit. If a week isn't enough recuperation time between games, then our sport is far too tough.

Well your neighbours Mayobridge in last decade always got their league fixtures put back when competing in Ulster. I remember waiting 11 weeks the year they last got to the final to face them in a league playoff. Why should the bridge get time to prepare and not Kilcoo? We won a county title on merit and should have the backing and support from county board and its fixture makers just like the bridge got courtesy off their own Sean Rooney. Typical south down bias towards an east down club. Our players couldn go fully committed on friday night with fear off recieving an injury with little time to recover or maybe getting the line say for a late challange on a night where the elements where not ideal for football. There is stil the whole off November to play the league, like we had to play in late November last years final as a result off waiting on the Bridges ulster campaign. All we wanted was consistency. But fair play to Bryansford on the night, they fully deserved their victory.

I think your unfair in singling out Sean Rooney, this man has the hardest job in the county and he a fair and totally honest administrator!!!! In my eyes,a game against Byransford ten days before your Ulster club match in Pairc Esler is a perfect warm up!!!! The Ford would be very similar in terms of physicality to St Eunans!!!

Would agree with this statement,Sean has a complicated ,impossible task and is always honest.The problem is not Sean but the system.It's incredible the amount of debate that goes on about fixtures at this time of year.If we all accepted the principle of a rigid fixture list after September,we might actually end up talking about football next September/October rather than fixture/playoff conundrums.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 27, 2009, 05:07:00 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 27, 2009, 04:41:50 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 27, 2009, 01:49:28 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 26, 2009, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 26, 2009, 08:44:54 AM
I'm with you on this one Spirit. If a week isn't enough recuperation time between games, then our sport is far too tough.

Well your neighbours Mayobridge in last decade always got their league fixtures put back when competing in Ulster. I remember waiting 11 weeks the year they last got to the final to face them in a league playoff. Why should the bridge get time to prepare and not Kilcoo? We won a county title on merit and should have the backing and support from county board and its fixture makers just like the bridge got courtesy off their own Sean Rooney. Typical south down bias towards an east down club. Our players couldn go fully committed on friday night with fear off recieving an injury with little time to recover or maybe getting the line say for a late challange on a night where the elements where not ideal for football. There is stil the whole off November to play the league, like we had to play in late November last years final as a result off waiting on the Bridges ulster campaign. All we wanted was consistency. But fair play to Bryansford on the night, they fully deserved their victory.

I think your unfair in singling out Sean Rooney, this man has the hardest job in the county and he a fair and totally honest administrator!!!! In my eyes,a game against Byransford ten days before your Ulster club match in Pairc Esler is a perfect warm up!!!! The Ford would be very similar in terms of physicality to St Eunans!!!

Would agree with this statement,Sean has a complicated ,impossible task and is always honest.The problem is not Sean but the system.It's incredible the amount of debate that goes on about fixtures at this time of year.If we all accepted the principle of a rigid fixture list after September,we might actually end up talking about football next September/October rather than fixture/playoff conundrums.

Here's me thinking he was only straight with us cos he's married to a Ballyholland woman :P

Seriously though I wouldnt have his job for all the tea in China....he tries to be fair and honest with everyone.....I have spoken to him off the record a few times about different matters and there is no bias whatsoever with him......don't forget that he's only part of a committee...its not his decision.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 27, 2009, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 27, 2009, 03:25:50 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 27, 2009, 01:17:26 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 25, 2009, 05:57:05 PM

In the event of any of the Play-off games for promotion or relegation ending in a draw, extra time of ten minutes each way will be played.



Just checked this quote from umpire outlining the rules and it does appear that a right royal balls up has occurred. Not that at particularly causes us bother, (apart from the usual interminable time the playoffs take)  but I would be somewhat annoyed if I was from Saval or Liatroim.

But it is a round robin format, not knock out like the championship so a draw is a valid result.  It is 1 point each for both teams in the mini league.

Except that it's not a valid result because the rules stated that there should have been extra time played. Hence the same fixtures going ahead again this week. Complete balls up. I wonder was there anyone from either of the 4 clubs involved knew it should have been extra time?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 27, 2009, 09:11:57 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 27, 2009, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 27, 2009, 03:25:50 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 27, 2009, 01:17:26 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 25, 2009, 05:57:05 PM

In the event of any of the Play-off games for promotion or relegation ending in a draw, extra time of ten minutes each way will be played.



Just checked this quote from umpire outlining the rules and it does appear that a right royal balls up has occurred. Not that at particularly causes us bother, (apart from the usual interminable time the playoffs take)  but I would be somewhat annoyed if I was from Saval or Liatroim.

But it is a round robin format, not knock out like the championship so a draw is a valid result.  It is 1 point each for both teams in the mini league.

Except that it's not a valid result because the rules stated that there should have been extra time played. Hence the same fixtures going ahead again this week. Complete balls up. I wonder was there anyone from either of the 4 clubs involved knew it should have been extra time?

Interesting.  I don't see the need to do this when it is a league format but there you go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 27, 2009, 10:27:55 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 16, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
Quote from: When We Win on October 16, 2009, 09:53:26 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 15, 2009, 09:39:49 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 15, 2009, 01:00:08 PM
Down County Board have received planning permission on the proposed new home of Bryansford GAC.
This will be interesting.

Are you sure about that spirit, I thought it still had to go to the next council meeting?

Yeah, I think the groups decision has to be ratified by the council meeting but either way its looking like they are going to have a bloody nice set up in a couple of years.

Council should be a formality as there is no objections on file and all the stumbling blocks have been overcome ;D

If this weeks Mourne Observer is anything to go by, it would appear that Mr Wells & Mr Poots have other ideas on this, which to be honest is out & out bigotry of the highest order & they need to be exposed in every possible way for the bigots that they are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 27, 2009, 10:46:42 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 27, 2009, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 27, 2009, 03:25:50 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 27, 2009, 01:17:26 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 25, 2009, 05:57:05 PM

In the event of any of the Play-off games for promotion or relegation ending in a draw, extra time of ten minutes each way will be played.



Just checked this quote from umpire outlining the rules and it does appear that a right royal balls up has occurred. Not that at particularly causes us bother, (apart from the usual interminable time the playoffs take)  but I would be somewhat annoyed if I was from Saval or Liatroim.

But it is a round robin format, not knock out like the championship so a draw is a valid result.  It is 1 point each for both teams in the mini league.

Except that it's not a valid result because the rules stated that there should have been extra time played. Hence the same fixtures going ahead again this week. Complete balls up. I wonder was there anyone from either of the 4 clubs involved knew it should have been extra time?

Apparently Saval and Liatroim knew and said to the ref, who had not been told anything. I know it is not easy to run the leagues but a relegation play off game is pretty important affair and as important, if not more so than a championship match, yet no one of authority was at the match from the county board. The ref was by himself and the umpires were from the respective clubs and there was a very hotly disputed point at one stage. Not only did this occur in division one but it also happened in the division two relegation playoff. The refs were not told anything about the playoff rules.

If you recall the Drumgath affair a couple of years ago, well it looks like the same may just have occurred, in divsion one and two. Que chaos and possible visits to the DRD.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 27, 2009, 11:27:09 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 27, 2009, 10:46:42 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 27, 2009, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 27, 2009, 03:25:50 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 27, 2009, 01:17:26 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 25, 2009, 05:57:05 PM

In the event of any of the Play-off games for promotion or relegation ending in a draw, extra time of ten minutes each way will be played.



Just checked this quote from umpire outlining the rules and it does appear that a right royal balls up has occurred. Not that at particularly causes us bother, (apart from the usual interminable time the playoffs take)  but I would be somewhat annoyed if I was from Saval or Liatroim.

But it is a round robin format, not knock out like the championship so a draw is a valid result.  It is 1 point each for both teams in the mini league.

Except that it's not a valid result because the rules stated that there should have been extra time played. Hence the same fixtures going ahead again this week. Complete balls up. I wonder was there anyone from either of the 4 clubs involved knew it should have been extra time?

Apparently Saval and Liatroim knew and said to the ref, who had not been told anything. I know it is not easy to run the leagues but a relegation play off game is pretty important affair and as important, if not more so than a championship match, yet no one of authority was at the match from the county board. The ref was by himself and the umpires were from the respective clubs and there was a very hotly disputed point at one stage. Not only did this occur in division one but it also happened in the division two relegation playoff. The refs were not told anything about the playoff rules.
If you recall the Drumgath affair a couple of years ago, well it looks like the same may just have occurred, in divsion one and two. Que chaos and possible visits to the DRD.

This is a playoff match.Referees are appointed and paid to do a job.Then they allegedly arrive at the match with no umpires,and don't know the rules regarding playoffs????

If the match is "more important than a championship match",surely the referees and clubs should be prepared and familiarise themselves with the rules.

I attended underage matches this year,when the ref brought their own umpires.Yet for a playoff ,which has massive implications for any club,referees don't bring their own umpires???


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on October 28, 2009, 12:19:28 AM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 27, 2009, 10:46:42 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 27, 2009, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 27, 2009, 03:25:50 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 27, 2009, 01:17:26 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 25, 2009, 05:57:05 PM

In the event of any of the Play-off games for promotion or relegation ending in a draw, extra time of ten minutes each way will be played.



Just checked this quote from umpire outlining the rules and it does appear that a right royal balls up has occurred. Not that at particularly causes us bother, (apart from the usual interminable time the playoffs take)  but I would be somewhat annoyed if I was from Saval or Liatroim.

But it is a round robin format, not knock out like the championship so a draw is a valid result.  It is 1 point each for both teams in the mini league.

Except that it's not a valid result because the rules stated that there should have been extra time played. Hence the same fixtures going ahead again this week. Complete balls up. I wonder was there anyone from either of the 4 clubs involved knew it should have been extra time?

Apparently Saval and Liatroim knew and said to the ref, who had not been told anything. I know it is not easy to run the leagues but a relegation play off game is pretty important affair and as important, if not more so than a championship match, yet no one of authority was at the match from the county board. The ref was by himself and the umpires were from the respective clubs and there was a very hotly disputed point at one stage. Not only did this occur in division one but it also happened in the division two relegation playoff. The refs were not told anything about the playoff rules.

If you recall the Drumgath affair a couple of years ago, well it looks like the same may just have occurred, in divsion one and two. Que chaos and possible visits to the DRD.

Not just that incident.  What about the Bosco last year?? There was no replay there and they got relegated to division 4 on points difference.  Could somebody please take the lead and sort this out?  IMHO a league should be won or lost and teams should be relegated at the end of the respective league campaigns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 28, 2009, 09:03:53 AM
It's a disaster at this point. If either of the 4 teams involved decide to take it further the whole league restructuring process could be thrown into chaos. Let's hope they just get on with it and it doesn't come to that but they should not be in this position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on October 28, 2009, 09:45:49 AM
Pete McGrath has resigned from the Down Under 21 job. no big surprise really.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 28, 2009, 11:36:22 AM
Quote from: CHB1 on October 28, 2009, 09:45:49 AM
Pete McGrath has resigned from the Down Under 21 job. no big surprise really.

it is dragging out a bit now Pete...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 28, 2009, 11:38:42 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 27, 2009, 10:27:55 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 16, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
Quote from: When We Win on October 16, 2009, 09:53:26 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 15, 2009, 09:39:49 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 15, 2009, 01:00:08 PM
Down County Board have received planning permission on the proposed new home of Bryansford GAC.
This will be interesting.

Are you sure about that spirit, I thought it still had to go to the next council meeting?

Yeah, I think the groups decision has to be ratified by the council meeting but either way its looking like they are going to have a bloody nice set up in a couple of years.

Council should be a formality as there is no objections on file and all the stumbling blocks have been overcome ;D

If this weeks Mourne Observer is anything to go by, it would appear that Mr Wells & Mr Poots have other ideas on this, which to be honest is out & out bigotry of the highest order & they need to be exposed in every possible way for the bigots that they are.

Get the Down Recorder - Wells said at Council that people were scared to come forward in objection to this scheme because Sinn Fein would have got them knee capped! ffs..
I dont think we have heard the last of this one - Mr Nolan may be interested.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 28, 2009, 02:12:34 PM
PETE MCGRATH has quit his post as the Down U21 football manager as a result of being overlooked for the senior job which was given to James McCartan.

McGrath was regarded as the frontrunner to succeed Ross Carr in the Mourne county hotseat, but Down officials sprung a shock when they opted for ex-county ace James McCartan.

Apart from the disappointment of not being chosen, the Rostrevor man, who steered Down to two All-Ireland senior titles, was also annoyed by some of the questions posed by the selection committee.

He has stated that one of the panellists asked him whether he still possessed the necessary level of passion, drive and enthusiasm to manage at senior inter-county level.

"It goes against my nature to decline any offer to manage a Down team," said McGrath, who in his recent U21 managerial stint steered his native county to two Ulster titles and this year's All-Ireland final against Cork.

"But given all that had happened with regard to the position of Down senior manager, I felt I had no option but to walk away in order to keep my self-esteem and honour intact.

"There has been too much personal hurt, pain, suffering and baggage for me to continue as manager of the county U21 team.

"Obviously the decision of the Down board with regard to the senior team manager showed there was no genuine appreciation and recognition for what I had achieved with the U21 team."

McGrath revealed that Down secretary Sean Og McAteer called to his house to ask if he would soldier on for another 12 months with the U21s.

"The county secretary called unannounced to my house, and I received him amicably as you can't turn people away from your house," he explained.

"I suppose we talked for about 15 to 20 minutes, and then he said he would give me some time to make up my mind about the situation.

"I had decided in advance that I would almost certainly step down, but out of courtesy I tossed the issue around in my mind for some time.

"However, it would have taken a considerable lot for me to change my mind, and a few days ago I phoned the county secretary and informed him that I wouldn't be continuing as U21 manager.

"I doubt if that came as much of a shock to the county board as I think they would have had a fair idea of my feelings on the matter."

Despite his unpleasant experience, McGrath has not lost hope of managing at senior inter-county level at some future stage.

Recently, he was in pole position for the Louth post until he decided that it would be impossible to combine that role with his involvement with Down club Bryansford.

"I had already committed myself to Bryansford for 2010 when the Louth manager vacancy came up," explained McGrath, whose charges face Mayobridge in the Down ACL Division One final at Newry on Friday night (7.30pm).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Doogie Browser on October 28, 2009, 02:27:33 PM
No surprise Pete quitting, he had to maintain his credibility.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 28, 2009, 02:48:45 PM
He'll lose any credibility he has left by going to the papers evry turnaround.
A mistake was made in how things were handled not in the actual appointment.
Lets move on
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 28, 2009, 03:15:17 PM
I see the Co Chairman didnt exactly endorse the decision of the appointment committee in today's Irish News....sorry I cant post the article....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 28, 2009, 04:38:52 PM
Quote from: fairplay on October 28, 2009, 03:45:41 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 28, 2009, 03:15:17 PM
I see the Co Chairman didnt exactly endorse the decision of the appointment committee in today's Irish News....sorry I cant post the article....
Was he not part of the selection process?

Not according to Heaney's article today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 28, 2009, 05:23:49 PM
Quote from: norabeag on October 28, 2009, 02:48:45 PM
He'll lose any credibility he has left by going to the papers evry turnaround.
A mistake was made in how things were handled not in the actual appointment.
Lets move on

Have to agree 100% with this.
While apprec iating Pete's contribution to the game in Down - colleges, club, minor, U21 and two wonderful Sams - he has to accept his time has come and gone.
If a member of the selection panel showed a lack of respect and tact, which Pete took personally, that's life and the whole county board is no more to blame for it than the entire county itself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 28, 2009, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: Leo on October 28, 2009, 05:23:49 PM
Quote from: norabeag on October 28, 2009, 02:48:45 PM
He'll lose any credibility he has left by going to the papers evry turnaround.
A mistake was made in how things were handled not in the actual appointment.
Lets move on

Have to agree 100% with this.
While apprec iating Pete's contribution to the game in Down - colleges, club, minor, U21 and two wonderful Sams - he has to accept his time has come and gone.
If a member of the selection panel showed a lack of respect and tact, which Pete took personally, that's life and the whole county board is no more to blame for it than the entire county itself.

I totally disagree with that!!! If his time had come and gone he would not have won back to back ulster titles!!!! Pete McGrath has done a lot of this county and he is still a realtively young man who has a lot more to offer the football world!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on October 28, 2009, 06:50:15 PM
Would you all wise up Peter is acting like a child I am surprised the Irish News gave him airtime!
The fella has lost all crtedibility and is running around like a sulking child , please could we all forget about this fella and move on.
He has lost the plot please someone advise him to grow up and live in the real world.



                                                             the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 28, 2009, 08:00:20 PM
Quote from: messy gael on October 28, 2009, 07:07:29 PM
Quote from: thegael on October 28, 2009, 06:50:15 PM
Would you all wise up Peter is acting like a child I am surprised the Irish News gave him airtime!
The fella has lost all crtedibility and is running around like a sulking child , please could we all forget about this fella and move on.
He has lost the plot please someone advise him to grow up and live in the real world.



                                                             the gael takes no prisoners!

The Gael, whilst everybody is entitled to their opinion, I have to say your last comment is complete Bullshit.

You are surprised that the IN gave a well decorated local GAA Football Manager airtime ???  Off all the county managers in Ulster @ the moment only Mickey Harte comes better decorated.....  So can you provide reasonable reasoning to why you feel the IN were foolish to publish their story ??

Do you honestly think that Pete approached the IN to shout off ??? The man has more in him to revert to those tactics.

"He has lost the plot please someone advise him to grow up and live in the real world.".... I dont know were to fuk your brains are but you obviously sit on them by quoting this.... ???


You are a dick
Well said Messy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on October 28, 2009, 08:22:59 PM
Well said indeed Messy, Pete was treated abominably, and is well entitled to vent his feelings on the matter. The members of the selection panel who treated him so discourtesly should hang their Heads in shame. Unfortunately for the County i fear Pete will have the last laugh, when its becomes apparent that going for youth over qualification and experience was a very bad mistake
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Yes I Would on October 28, 2009, 08:51:34 PM
He should have fucked them off and up and left when the cheeky b**tard asked him did he feel Down had underachieved with 2 all Irelands in the 90's.  No back door, No All Ireland since 1968 and both Donegal and Derry at their peaks, think Down done pretty well with the 2.

Its obvious that a man who has given everything for his beloved county has been deeply hurt by the manner of treatment and respect that has been shown to him.. He had no god given right to have been appointed but it seems that some have seen it as an opportunity to have a go at the man.. Real Down GAA people should also be deeply annoyed at how he has been treated, and why the hell shouldnt Mc Grath show these gobshites within the county board up for what they are?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on October 28, 2009, 09:01:57 PM
I feel I have to repeat myself -

Would you all wise up Peter is acting like a child I am surprised the Irish News gave him airtime!
The fella has lost all crtedibility and is running around like a sulking child , please could we all forget about this fella and move on.
He has lost the plot please someone advise him to grow up and live in the real world.
I wish the man well but really we had the same sadness and poor me attitude from our last two sets of managers and now another one so for the good of the future forget about the past and move forward.
Let the concerned people get him involved at under 12 level and under 14 level and let him contribute there but at senior level forget about it .He might have a role at helping our elite under 12 or under 14 footballers and is something the county must look into instead of using coaching jobs foolishly - he might be able to contribute to his beloved Down that way.

                                    the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 28, 2009, 09:02:50 PM
The fact that McGrath and one of the selection committee don't see eye-to-eye doesn't matter. That was one voice from five.

The decision that James McCartan was the best candidate was brought forward by a five-man committee that was nominated and approved by our clubs. His actual appointment was approved the clubs.

So I really wish Peter McGrath would stop using the papers as a medium for turning his non-appointment into a personal issue.






Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on October 28, 2009, 09:36:14 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 28, 2009, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: Leo on October 28, 2009, 05:23:49 PM
Quote from: norabeag on October 28, 2009, 02:48:45 PM
He'll lose any credibility he has left by going to the papers evry turnaround.
A mistake was made in how things were handled not in the actual appointment.
Lets move on

Have to agree 100% with this.
While apprec iating Pete's contribution to the game in Down - colleges, club, minor, U21 and two wonderful Sams - he has to accept his time has come and gone.
If a member of the selection panel showed a lack of respect and tact, which Pete took personally, that's life and the whole county board is no more to blame for it than the entire county itself.

I totally disagree with that!!! If his time had come and gone he would not have won back to back ulster titles!!!! Pete McGrath has done a lot of this county and he is still a realtively young man who has a lot more to offer the football world!!!
FCUK! I WONDER WOULD HE TAKE THE HURLER'S !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 28, 2009, 09:56:25 PM
He is still an exceptional manager, Bryansford are real contenders now and in the league final after coming up from division 2, he did the same thing if not better by winning the league managing An Riocht after taking them from 2, as well as all his success with minor, U21, senior, college.  I don't necessarily think he should have got the job but a courtesy call from someone to say he didn't get the job was the least he should have got.  Maybe it was a misunderstanding I don't know.  If it was then someone from the county board should say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 28, 2009, 10:14:21 PM

Have a listen to another rant on RTE Radio from tonight's Sport at 7 programme.

http://www.rte.ie/radio/liveplayer2_av.html?1_real,http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/live/radio/radio1.smil,real,200
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on October 28, 2009, 10:15:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 28, 2009, 09:02:50 PM
The fact that McGrath and one of the selection committee don't see eye-to-eye doesn't matter. That was one voice from five.

The decision that James McCartan was the best candidate was brought forward by a five-man committee that was nominated and approved by our clubs. His actual appointment was approved the clubs.

So I really wish Peter McGrath would stop using the papers as a medium for turning his non-appointment into a personal issue.
Spot on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on October 28, 2009, 10:34:36 PM
God bless Peter he is like a spoilt little child .
This interview just shows how pathetic this man has gone.
He left Down seniors in the doldrums.Mc Grath's teams have no respect for him and an riocht and bryansford players frequently tell him to f??k off !!


                                        the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 28, 2009, 11:13:20 PM
What is Pete trying to achieve by this?

Somebody posted this before, but why can't Down managers leave the building quietly? He didn't mention the years 1995-2002 in that spiel. No, he'd rather talk about personalities.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on October 29, 2009, 03:04:18 AM
Its a true saying that eaten Bread is soon forgotten, and neither is a prophet recognised in his own land. I wonder what the posters now vilifying Pete, have contributed to the County, or are they all like the Gael who confines himself to pathetic,childish ramblings, during his very infrequent posts, and who would not be allowed next or near any position in a sane well run club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on October 29, 2009, 09:48:22 AM
Quote from: thegael on October 28, 2009, 10:34:36 PM
God bless Peter he is like a spoilt little child .
This interview just shows how pathetic this man has gone.
He left Down seniors in the doldrums.Mc Grath's teams have no respect for him and an riocht and bryansford players frequently tell him to f??k off !!


                                        the gael takes no prisoners!
Thegael, I have to say you talk some shite boy.  Pete McGrath is one of the most successful, if not most successful managers this county has ever produced and was treated like dirt byt a 5 man commitee with an anti-Pete agenda.
Not only has he won 3-All-Irelands and 5 Ulster titles, he has taken an unfancied An Riocht team to a league title and is now only 60 mins away from doing the same with Bryansford.
What Pete has done for Down football is immeasurable.
The arrogant and condescending nature of your comments is pathetic. I reckon the contribution you have made to Gaelic games in our county could probably be recorded on the back of a postage stamp. Now stop writing like a 14 year old spoilt teenager and come into the real world
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 29, 2009, 09:55:25 AM
Quoteand was treated like dirt byt a 5 man commitee with an anti-Pete agenda
Please stop pedalling this shit. Having a preference for one candidate does not mean you have an agenda against another.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 29, 2009, 10:33:23 AM
Quote from: fairplay on October 28, 2009, 11:34:13 PM
  I was of the notion that the Chairman had been part of this selection process.He wasn't
but if it was a sub-committee appointed by the County Board surely he as Chairman should support
that group not go against their decision in the papers?

Mr Bell is obviously not a fan of Harry Truman.
(http://www.trumanlibrary.org/images/buckstopsherefrontsmall.jpg)

Not fit for office imo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on October 29, 2009, 12:23:06 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 27, 2009, 10:27:55 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 16, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
Quote from: When We Win on October 16, 2009, 09:53:26 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 15, 2009, 09:39:49 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 15, 2009, 01:00:08 PM
Down County Board have received planning permission on the proposed new home of Bryansford GAC.
This will be interesting.

Are you sure about that spirit, I thought it still had to go to the next council meeting?

Yeah, I think the groups decision has to be ratified by the council meeting but either way its looking like they are going to have a bloody nice set up in a couple of years.

Council should be a formality as there is no objections on file and all the stumbling blocks have been overcome ;D

If this weeks Mourne Observer is anything to go by, it would appear that Mr Wells & Mr Poots have other ideas on this, which to be honest is out & out bigotry of the highest order & they need to be exposed in every possible way for the bigots that they are.

This gets a mention in todays Irish News. Planning permission is now "on hold" thanks to Wells and Poots. The SDLP are describing it as "democracy by SMS".  Wells now says that the PSNI traffic branch are objecting.
Could someone with access to the Irish News online post the article.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on October 29, 2009, 12:32:55 PM
Anyone heard how the ccc meeting went last night on the balls up over the relegation play offs in div 1 and 2?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 29, 2009, 01:52:32 PM
i heard that shamrocks and glassdrumman are not replaying this sunday and it'll be sunday 8th instead with the losers to play darragh cross on the 15th

i wud assume its the same with the saval-liatroim match

theyre making a balls-up of the whole thing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandboy on October 29, 2009, 01:57:10 PM
yeah i just heard the liatroin/saval game is fixed for the same day but they are refusing to play. at this time of the year its a disaster. it all may end up with none of the three teams being relegated- which would suit us obviously
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 29, 2009, 02:38:36 PM
I thought I read earlier in the thread that the BHolland /An Riocht game is down for Thursday 12th.
I see Good Ole Matt in the Irish News has been doing a preview for it as if it is on tonight
He's getting worse. His ramblings in the Recorder are shocking
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 29, 2009, 03:10:24 PM
The county board hierarchy must really looking forward to the end of this year. The debacle with Pete McGrath, whilst not as bad as Armagh's is em barrising to say the least. The County chairman now publicly saying he preferred Pete, is a Pontius Pilate act if every there was one. His publicly expressed views will hardly endear himself to the new management team.

It seems the situation with regards to the selection process could have been handled better and McGrath deserved better, but he would have retained much more sympathy if he was to hold his Counsel. He was very good at measuring his words whilst he was manager and that was a great strength that he had, but his constant reports to the press are in danger of making it look like he is more annoyed that he just did not get the job, rather than being annoyed at the process.

The county board now also have to fix the shambles of the relegation battle in divsion one and two. Liatroim and Saval have stated they are not playing in any forced replay. It will be interesting to see if any team turns up on Sunday. Division two may follow suit. If this goes to appeal, which is a distinct possibility, there is two possible outcomes. One, there will be no relegation playoffs or alternatively, Saval and Liatroim will be forced to replay. Considering such an appeal process could take a while, we now have the possibility of playing football some time circa Christmas. Groan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 29, 2009, 03:22:37 PM
If Brendan Rice had have stopped giving Liatroim handy frees and playing 4 minutes injury time to help them salvage a draw then there would have been no problem. Danny Hughes was fouled all day with no protection from Rice yet Liatroim lay down and where awarded easy frees.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 29, 2009, 03:38:14 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 29, 2009, 03:10:24 PM
The County chairman now publicly saying he preferred Pete, is a Pontius Pilate act if every there was one. His publicly expressed views will hardly endear himself to the new management team.


Sure what would he know anyway!!

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The county board now also have to fix the shambles of the relegation battle in divsion one and two. Liatroim and Saval have stated they are not playing in any forced replay. It will be interesting to see if any team turns up on Sunday. Division two may follow suit. If this goes to appeal, which is a distinct possibility, there is two possible outcomes. One, there will be no relegation playoffs or alternatively, Saval and Liatroim will be forced to replay. Considering such an appeal process could take a while, we now have the possibility of playing football some time circa Christmas. Groan.
[/quote]

Maybe Liatroim would fit in a hurling game this weekend as they've about four or five games outstanding.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on October 29, 2009, 03:44:53 PM
According to todays Irish News, Ballyholland play An Riocht tonight. I wonder will they send a reporter to cover the game?  ::)
Its not like they dont read this board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on October 29, 2009, 03:54:07 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 29, 2009, 03:22:37 PM
If Brendan Rice had have stopped giving Liatroim handy frees and playing 4 minutes injury time to help them salvage a draw then there would have been no problem. Danny Hughes was fouled all day with no protection from Rice yet Liatroim lay down and where awarded easy frees.


Let you go the last time you came out with this shite but persisting with it is just sad, dont think he was particularily good for either side and in the second half saval had quite a few 'injuries'. hughes was well marked and didnt hear much complaining from the saval crowd!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 29, 2009, 04:04:05 PM
Quote from: norabeag on October 29, 2009, 02:38:36 PM
I thought I read earlier in the thread that the BHolland /An Riocht game is down for Thursday 12th.
I see Good Ole Matt in the Irish News has been doing a preview for it as if it is on tonight
He's getting worse. His ramblings in the Recorder are shocking

He will be givin out next week in the recorder that nobody informed him the game was off.I see the An Riocht defence is 'sound' and Ballyholland are a "well balanced" outfit.Classic Matt.For years there he said the Down defence was "sound" too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 29, 2009, 04:47:21 PM
Quote from: islandboy on October 29, 2009, 01:57:10 PM
yeah i just heard the liatroin/saval game is fixed for the same day but they are refusing to play. at this time of the year its a disaster. it all may end up with none of the three teams being relegated- which would suit us obviously

That's bollox, I don't agree with this new thing where teams look through the rule books for any technicality to avoid the playoffs, if a mistake is made in good faith (e.g. in this case the ref did not know to play extra time) then the teams involved should come to an agreement and just replay the matches.  This could drag on for months now if this ends up going to court.  I think there should be a rule in the county where if there is any ambiguity about a rule then a committee comes to a decision and that is the end of it.  Drumgath a couple of years back avoiding the relegation playoffs on a technicality, and there has been a few county footballers get off from a suspension because the ref had the wrong colour pen (I made that bit up), I know it is important to the teams involved but it is still a game of football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 29, 2009, 06:56:54 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 29, 2009, 04:47:21 PM
Quote from: islandboy on October 29, 2009, 01:57:10 PM
yeah i just heard the liatroin/saval game is fixed for the same day but they are refusing to play. at this time of the year its a disaster. it all may end up with none of the three teams being relegated- which would suit us obviously

That's bollox, I don't agree with this new thing where teams look through the rule books for any technicality to avoid the playoffs, if a mistake is made in good faith (e.g. in this case the ref did not know to play extra time) then the teams involved should come to an agreement and just replay the matches.  This could drag on for months now if this ends up going to court.  I think there should be a rule in the county where if there is any ambiguity about a rule then a committee comes to a decision and that is the end of it.  Drumgath a couple of years back avoiding the relegation playoffs on a technicality, and there has been a few county footballers get off from a suspension because the ref had the wrong colour pen (I made that bit up), I know it is important to the teams involved but it is still a game of football.

Very well said. And in reality these teams are always close to relegation especially Liatroim who hang on by skin off their teeth every year. So all 3 teams should get on with it starting on sunday and forget about mistakes and technacalitys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 29, 2009, 06:59:38 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 29, 2009, 03:54:07 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 29, 2009, 03:22:37 PM
If Brendan Rice had have stopped giving Liatroim handy frees and playing 4 minutes injury time to help them salvage a draw then there would have been no problem. Danny Hughes was fouled all day with no protection from Rice yet Liatroim lay down and where awarded easy frees.


Let you go the last time you came out with this shite but persisting with it is just sad, dont think he was particularily good for either side and in the second half saval had quite a few 'injuries'. hughes was well marked and didnt hear much complaining from the saval crowd!

You mustened have seen the Saval management teams reaction then i guess. It even resulted in one off their selectors being kicked by a fontenoy official.
Title: Re: All-Ireland winning unsung heros
Post by: mournerambler on October 29, 2009, 11:05:09 PM
Was just thinking of all those who have won All-Irelands with the county & not got the same amount of 'fame' that others have, we've all read so much & rightly so about the Paddy Mo's, Sean O'Neills, Greg Blaney's & Micky Linden's etc over the years, now it's time to pick those who havn't been talked of as much as the others.
Here's my selection

1.Eddie McKay
2.George Lavery
3.Brian Burns
4.Pat Rice
5.Eamon Burns
6.Willie Doyle
7.Kevin O'Neill
8.Barry Breen
9.Jarleth Carey
10.Ross Carr
11.James McCartan (snr)
12.Gary Mason
13.Tony Hadden
14.Peter Withnell
15.Breen Morgan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 29, 2009, 11:16:07 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 29, 2009, 06:56:54 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 29, 2009, 04:47:21 PM
Quote from: islandboy on October 29, 2009, 01:57:10 PM
yeah i just heard the liatroin/saval game is fixed for the same day but they are refusing to play. at this time of the year its a disaster. it all may end up with none of the three teams being relegated- which would suit us obviously

That's bollox, I don't agree with this new thing where teams look through the rule books for any technicality to avoid the playoffs, if a mistake is made in good faith (e.g. in this case the ref did not know to play extra time) then the teams involved should come to an agreement and just replay the matches.  This could drag on for months now if this ends up going to court.  I think there should be a rule in the county where if there is any ambiguity about a rule then a committee comes to a decision and that is the end of it.  Drumgath a couple of years back avoiding the relegation playoffs on a technicality, and there has been a few county footballers get off from a suspension because the ref had the wrong colour pen (I made that bit up), I know it is important to the teams involved but it is still a game of football.

Very well said. And in reality these teams are always close to relegation especially Liatroim who hang on by skin off their teeth every year. So all 3 teams should get on with it starting on sunday and forget about mistakes and technacalitys.


personally i tell myself yeah get on with it and play the games. But then i think about it this way. Why should we just get on with it? This system has been aired for a long time, in this time the system should have been checked and fixed if broken. It was broken, someone overlooked their job and now we have a fiasco. these playoffs have serious consequences. if the county board are not taking them serious then the deserve to be backed into a corner and have the teams calling the shots because damn sure there are 6 teams taking these games as serious as an all ireland final. If the league intentions are jeprodised then thats tough luck. I know it only a game of football but even so its an organisation which people invest heavily in, personal time, sponsors money, etc so at the very least for them it deserves to be taken serious. If it was a business this mistake would not have happened. The playoffs are one of thee most important parts of the season and the most important to 6 teams. As i say if it was a business a heads would roll and a point of law would be called on. So thats how it should be for the county board. It doesnt happen in other counties because they treat their positions with respect. You wouldnt have a doctor operating with a spoon, or a quantity surveyor guessing blocks from a artistic photo graph. Maiden you call it a technacality, well a bloody big one if two ref's got it wrong. A technicality maybe if it was one ref, but a bloody royal balls up in this case. if all games ended a draw i doubt any extra time would have been played. Im not just blaming the county board here now. If i was a ref i think i would have checked what the implications would be if the game ended a draw. Stupid fools. the lot of the are as useful as tits on bull. I would hope we all agree.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffleKing on October 29, 2009, 11:37:20 PM

Jesus, Pete is doing some crying. really embarrassing for the fella at this stage. i thought he had a bit more dignity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 29, 2009, 11:40:46 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 29, 2009, 11:37:20 PM

Jesus, Pete is doing some crying. really embarrassing for the fella at this stage. i thought he had a bit more dignity.

Hellooooooo, were have you been Duffleking, did anyone tell you Elvis is dead ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on October 30, 2009, 12:04:12 AM
To add too Mourne Ramblers list
                                          Leo Murphy
                                          Pat o Hagan
                                          John Smith
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on October 30, 2009, 12:28:06 AM
Quote from: norabeag on October 29, 2009, 02:38:36 PM
I thought I read earlier in the thread that the BHolland /An Riocht game is down for Thursday 12th.
I see Good Ole Matt in the Irish News has been doing a preview for it as if it is on tonight
He's getting worse. His ramblings in the Recorder are shocking

In fairness to Matt he wasn't aware the match had been cancelled and went ahead with his preview. We had a preview of the game set on a page which had to be pulled late Tuesday afternoon when we found out, through this board, that the game had been put back to November 12.

We only got 'official' word at 3.19pm on Thursday afternoon. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 30, 2009, 06:11:46 AM
Add Brendan Sloan to that list MR.

I wonder will Matt publish a match report on the Div 2 Final in the IN today?
Title: Re: All-Ireland winning unsung heros
Post by: Leo on October 30, 2009, 09:35:23 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 29, 2009, 11:05:09 PM
Was just thinking of all those who have won All-Irelands with the county & not got the same amount of 'fame' that others have, we've all read so much & rightly so about the Paddy Mo's, Sean O'Neills, Greg Blaney's & Micky Linden's etc over the years, now it's time to pick those who havn't been talked of as much as the others.
Here's my selection

1.Eddie McKay
2.George Lavery
3.Brian Burns
4.Pat Rice
5.Eamon Burns
6.Willie Doyle
7.Kevin O'Neill
8.Barry Breen
9.Jarleth Carey
10.Ross Carr
11.James McCartan (snr)
12.Gary Mason
13.Tony Hadden
14.Peter Withnell
15.Breen Morgan

Can't quite get my head around what criteria you are applying to selection but if you mention Sean O'Neill & Paddy Mo as two "greats" who founf fame, then surely the only other 3-medals man, the immense Dan McCartan, should get a mention.
As for Ross Carr he has certainly generated enough publicity for himself of the "more heat than light" variety!!!
And where does the might Tom O'Hare fit - or Tommy McGovern?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 30, 2009, 09:42:20 AM
CCC decisions following meeting on Wed 28th
ACFL Div 3 League Final
Fri Nov 6th Pairc Esler 7 00
Tulylish v Drumgath/Glenn(E O Hare)
ACFL Division 1 Relegation PlayOff
Fri Nov 6th  Pairc Esler 8 30
Liatroim v Saval(G Corrigan)
Sunday Nov 8th
Rostrevor 2 00
Shamrocks v Glasdrumman(G Tumelty)
ACFL Div 2 Final
Thurs Nov 12th Pairc Esler 7 30
An Riocht v Ballyholland(D Moore)

EXTRA TIME OF 10 Mins EACH WAY WILL BE PLAYED IN THE EVENT OF A DRAW IN ANY OF ABOVE GAMES
Title: Re: All-Ireland winning unsung heros
Post by: Long Ball on October 30, 2009, 10:12:28 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 29, 2009, 11:05:09 PM
Was just thinking of all those who have won All-Irelands with the county & not got the same amount of 'fame' that others have, we've all read so much & rightly so about the Paddy Mo's, Sean O'Neills, Greg Blaney's & Micky Linden's etc over the years, now it's time to pick those who havn't been talked of as much as the others.
Here's my selection

1.Eddie McKay
2.George Lavery
3.Brian Burns
4.Pat Rice
5.Eamon Burns
6.Willie Doyle
7.Kevin O'Neill
8.Barry Breen
9.Jarleth Carey
10.Ross Carr
11.James McCartan (snr)
12.Gary Mason
13.Tony Hadden
14.Peter Withnell
15.Breen Morgan
I know where you are coming from but I'm not sure how you included James McCartan Snr and Pat Rice in there Mourne- I reckon these two men are very well celebrated. Big Pat played for Castlewellan, Down, Ulster and Ireland winning 2 All-Irelands, 2 National Leagues, 3 Ulster Titles, 2 Railway Cups and Down senior league and championships. Maybe it's because he was humble and never courted publicity that he has been included on your list
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 30, 2009, 11:13:54 AM
John Kelly

Brendan McKiernan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 30, 2009, 01:44:10 PM
Quote from: maldini on October 30, 2009, 11:13:54 AM
John Kelly

Brendan Loughran

This contribution is clearly from junior infants.
Having said that I inadvertently mentioned Tommy McGovern earlier, having failed to make the "All-Ireland" connection.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on October 30, 2009, 02:05:47 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 29, 2009, 03:44:53 PM
According to todays Irish News, Ballyholland play An Riocht tonight. I wonder will they send a reporter to cover the game?  ::)
Its not like they dont read this board.

Who won last night ?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 30, 2009, 02:17:08 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 30, 2009, 02:05:47 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 29, 2009, 03:44:53 PM
According to todays Irish News, Ballyholland play An Riocht tonight. I wonder will they send a reporter to cover the game?  ::)
Its not like they dont read this board.

Who won last night ?
Confusion won
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 30, 2009, 02:19:07 PM
An Riocht won by virtue of them being expected to win.

National newspapers were covering the event to get a photo of Marty Clarke in action and lifting the trophy so to facilitate this and get some good PR for a while the County Board arranged a sham game. An Riocht duly defeated a Shamrocks U-14 team (who were training at the time) dressed up in Ballyholland look a like jerseys provided by Sean Og, and presented the trophy after 5 minutes of action to the great satisfaction of everyone in the world.
Title: Re: All-Ireland winning unsung heros
Post by: maldini on October 30, 2009, 02:30:50 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on October 30, 2009, 10:12:28 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 29, 2009, 11:05:09 PM
Was just thinking of all those who have won All-Irelands with the county & not got the same amount of 'fame' that others have, we've all read so much & rightly so about the Paddy Mo's, Sean O'Neills, Greg Blaney's & Micky Linden's etc over the years, now it's time to pick those who havn't been talked of as much as the others.
Here's my selection

1.Eddie McKay
2.George Lavery
3.Brian Burns
4.Pat Rice
5.Eamon Burns
6.Willie Doyle
7.Kevin O'Neill
8.Barry Breen
9.Jarleth Carey
10.Ross Carr
11.James McCartan (snr)
12.Gary Mason
13.Tony Hadden
14.Peter Withnell
15.Breen Morgan



Quote from: Leo on October 30, 2009, 01:44:10 PM
Quote from: maldini on October 30, 2009, 11:13:54 AM
John Kelly

Brendan McKiernan

This contribution is clearly from junior infants.


how??
do they not satisfy the criteria of having all ireland winners medals and not having the same amount of fame as others, as was the intial question posed??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 30, 2009, 04:59:15 PM
Down All County Football League Final - OFF

The Down All County Football League Final between Bryansford and Mayobridge fixed for tonight has been called off tonight due the pitch in Newry being unplayable due to the heavy rainfall over the last number of hours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on October 30, 2009, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 30, 2009, 02:19:07 PM
An Riocht won by virtue of them being expected to win.

National newspapers were covering the event to get a photo of Marty Clarke in action and lifting the trophy so to facilitate this and get some good PR for a while the County Board arranged a sham game. An Riocht duly defeated a Shamrocks U-14 team (who were training at the time) dressed up in Ballyholland look a like jerseys provided by Sean Og, and presented the trophy after 5 minutes of action to the great satisfaction of everyone in the world.



What ??????????  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 30, 2009, 05:38:35 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 30, 2009, 04:59:15 PM
Down All County Football League Final - OFF

The Down All County Football League Final between Bryansford and Mayobridge fixed for tonight has been called off tonight due the pitch in Newry being unplayable due to the heavy rainfall over the last number of hours.

Newry cant be that bad!!!! Think of the conditions Mayobridge played Kilcoo in!!!!! Can our county ground not hold a game after a few hours of rain!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 30, 2009, 05:50:36 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 30, 2009, 05:38:35 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 30, 2009, 04:59:15 PM
Down All County Football League Final - OFF

The Down All County Football League Final between Bryansford and Mayobridge fixed for tonight has been called off tonight due the pitch in Newry being unplayable due to the heavy rainfall over the last number of hours.

Newry cant be that bad!!!! Think of the conditions Mayobridge played Kilcoo in!!!!! Can our county ground not hold a game after a few hours of rain!!!!!!!!!!!

I would say its off due to the fact their is an ulster club double header on sunday planned for newry and fear off tonigts game ruining the pitch for this. I thought the bridge would be happy for it to be off after the memories off the Kilcoo game in Hilltown which should never have went ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 30, 2009, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 30, 2009, 05:50:36 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 30, 2009, 05:38:35 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 30, 2009, 04:59:15 PM
Down All County Football League Final - OFF

The Down All County Football League Final between Bryansford and Mayobridge fixed for tonight has been called off tonight due the pitch in Newry being unplayable due to the heavy rainfall over the last number of hours.

Newry cant be that bad!!!! Think of the conditions Mayobridge played Kilcoo in!!!!! Can our county ground not hold a game after a few hours of rain!!!!!!!!!!!

I would say its off due to the fact their is an ulster club double header on sunday planned for newry and fear off tonigts game ruining the pitch for this. I thought the bridge would be happy for it to be off after the memories off the Kilcoo game in Hilltown which should never have went ahead.

Its not raining now !!!! I am more pissed off as i booked a holiday to Eygpt on Thursday.. Was booked so i would not miss a game!!!! Hope the games on five fm :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 30, 2009, 06:01:31 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 30, 2009, 05:56:27 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 30, 2009, 05:50:36 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 30, 2009, 05:38:35 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 30, 2009, 04:59:15 PM
Down All County Football League Final - OFF

The Down All County Football League Final between Bryansford and Mayobridge fixed for tonight has been called off tonight due the pitch in Newry being unplayable due to the heavy rainfall over the last number of hours.

Newry cant be that bad!!!! Think of the conditions Mayobridge played Kilcoo in!!!!! Can our county ground not hold a game after a few hours of rain!!!!!!!!!!!

I would say its off due to the fact their is an ulster club double header on sunday planned for newry and fear off tonigts game ruining the pitch for this. I thought the bridge would be happy for it to be off after the memories off the Kilcoo game in Hilltown which should never have went ahead.

Its not raining now !!!! I am more pissed off as i booked a holiday to Eygpt on Thursday.. Was booked so i would not miss a game!!!! Hope the games on five fm :)

Thats disapointing. I thought it could have been switched to Burren before cancelling it or even the possibility off playing the ballymartin v cookstown game on sunday in Burren or Saval avoiding the need for a double header. Was lookin forward to a good game tonight myself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on October 30, 2009, 06:08:00 PM
The rain hasnt been that bad, could they not have moved the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 30, 2009, 11:31:31 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 30, 2009, 06:08:00 PM
The rain hasnt been that bad, could they not have moved the game?

Pitch failed an inspection at 4.30pm. When will the rematch be - Benny will be away next weekend with Ulster - midweek and toss for venue if Newry needs protected.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 31, 2009, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 30, 2009, 11:31:31 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 30, 2009, 06:08:00 PM
The rain hasnt been that bad, could they not have moved the game?

Pitch failed an inspection at 4.30pm. When will the rematch be - Benny will be away next weekend with Ulster - midweek and toss for venue if Newry needs protected.

I don't think a division one final should be played mid-week!!!! Leave it to the following Friday ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 31, 2009, 01:17:05 PM
Quote from: maldini on October 30, 2009, 11:13:54 AM
John Kelly

Brendan McKiernan

Thats better Paulo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on October 31, 2009, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 31, 2009, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 30, 2009, 11:31:31 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 30, 2009, 06:08:00 PM
The rain hasnt been that bad, could they not have moved the game?

Pitch failed an inspection at 4.30pm. When will the rematch be - Benny will be away next weekend with Ulster - midweek and toss for venue if Newry needs protected.

I don't think a division one final should be played mid-week!!!! Leave it to the following Friday ;) ;)

Confirmed - Next Friday 8.30pm in Newry - how will they cope without you Tommy ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: waitingforsam on October 31, 2009, 04:09:27 PM

Drumgath beating Glenn in Div 3 promotion semi 2-17 to 0 -09

less than 10 mins left, remarkable scoreline

Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 30, 2009, 09:42:20 AM
CCC decisions following meeting on Wed 28th
ACFL Div 3 League Final
Fri Nov 6th Pairc Esler 7 00
Tulylish v Drumgath/Glenn(E O Hare)
ACFL Division 1 Relegation PlayOff
Fri Nov 6th  Pairc Esler 8 30
Liatroim v Saval(G Corrigan)
Sunday Nov 8th
Rostrevor 2 00
Shamrocks v Glasdrumman(G Tumelty)
ACFL Div 2 Final
Thurs Nov 12th Pairc Esler 7 30
An Riocht v Ballyholland(D Moore)

EXTRA TIME OF 10 Mins EACH WAY WILL BE PLAYED IN THE EVENT OF A DRAW IN ANY OF ABOVE GAMES
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 31, 2009, 04:54:19 PM
Quote from: messy gael on October 31, 2009, 04:21:50 PM
Drumgath 2 - 18     Glenn   0 - 11

Drumgath where very impressive. Jack Lynch, Colm Maginn, Mark Connelly, Packie Downey, Peter Hynes and Stephen Parsons where excellent. How Parsons was not on Down minor team this year i will never no. A classy young player. Downey was the man of the match with 5 or 6 great scores from play and great workrate at centre half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 31, 2009, 05:25:32 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 31, 2009, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 31, 2009, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 30, 2009, 11:31:31 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 30, 2009, 06:08:00 PM
The rain hasnt been that bad, could they not have moved the game?

Pitch failed an inspection at 4.30pm. When will the rematch be - Benny will be away next weekend with Ulster - midweek and toss for venue if Newry needs protected.

I don't think a division one final should be played mid-week!!!! Leave it to the following Friday ;) ;)

Confirmed - Next Friday 8.30pm in Newry - how will they cope without you Tommy ::)

I really don't know how they will?? :) The advantage is with you's now :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on October 31, 2009, 05:33:35 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 31, 2009, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on October 30, 2009, 11:31:31 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 30, 2009, 06:08:00 PM
The rain hasnt been that bad, could they not have moved the game?

Pitch failed an inspection at 4.30pm. When will the rematch be - Benny will be away next weekend with Ulster - midweek and toss for venue if Newry needs protected.

I don't think a division one final should be played mid-week!!!! Leave it to the following Friday ;) ;)

I agree!;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 31, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2009, 04:36:41 PM
With the League season near enough over, how's about posters selecting the best 15 players in their club's Division who impressed them over the year.


My Division 3 XV

1. Bernie Connell (Drumgath)

2. Marc Cunningham (Dundrum)
3. Stephen Deegans (Ardglass)
4. Adam King (Saul)

5. Kevin McKiverghan (Tullylish)
6. Gareth Johnston (Tullylish)
7. Mark Connolly (Drumgath)

8. Michael Magee (Ardglass)
9. Colm Murtagh (Glenn)

10. Niall McParland (Glenn)
11. Peter Quinn (Tullylish)
12. Mattie Bagnall (Glenn)

13. Shannon Drainey (Tullylish)
14. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
15. Gerard McAnulty (St Johns)

colm murtagh did not do too much today on jack lynch did he? as for mattie bagnal steven parsons made him look ordinary today. you need to rethink your 15 mate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 01, 2009, 12:14:18 AM
all the best to Kilcoo in the Ulsters
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 01:00:17 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 31, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2009, 04:36:41 PM
With the League season near enough over, how's about posters selecting the best 15 players in their club's Division who impressed them over the year.


My Division 3 XV

1. Bernie Connell (Drumgath)

2. Marc Cunningham (Dundrum)
3. Stephen Deegans (Ardglass)
4. Adam King (Saul)

5. Kevin McKiverghan (Tullylish)
6. Gareth Johnston (Tullylish)
7. Mark Connolly (Drumgath)

8. Michael Magee (Ardglass)
9. Colm Murtagh (Glenn)

10. Niall McParland (Glenn)
11. Peter Quinn (Tullylish)
12. Mattie Bagnall (Glenn)

13. Shannon Drainey (Tullylish)
14. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
15. Gerard McAnulty (St Johns)

colm murtagh did not do too much today on jack lynch did he? as for mattie bagnal steven parsons made him look ordinary today. you need to rethink your 15 mate.

I'd suggest you go back to your much loved glasgow celtic thread & post your daft comments on there.
DF was posting an opinion on the best players over the course of a season in a division which he had a vested interest in & from his predictions in the past, he's usually not far off the mark.
While your good self probably went to your first game of the season on Saturday with your Drumgath blinkers on & then come on here to try & act the large fella by telling DF to rethink his 15 MATE, i'm taking a guess that the once mighty Celtic play today, hence your attendance at a GAA match yesterday!
As the saying goes, one swallow never made a summer & I look forward to Steven Parsons cancelling out the threat of Rory Kavanagh in Ballybofey Next June. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on November 01, 2009, 10:03:03 AM
I hear there are county trials today, anybody know who all got called up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on November 01, 2009, 10:18:03 AM
Why is the Div 1 Final a 8.30pm throw in? Is there another match on before it?

If James is going to run trials he has to run them before the end of November. Collective training and trials are banned during December. I haven't heard who was called up.

Who won the Betsy Gray Cup final yesterday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on November 01, 2009, 10:28:19 AM
Good Luck to Kilcoo today I hope they do the Club and County Proud
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 01, 2009, 10:42:13 AM
Jesus Pairc esler cannot take a drop off rain, Kilcoo v St Eunans and Ballymartin v Cookstown have been cancelled today due to a waterlogged pitch. Talk about being pissed off with that pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 01, 2009, 10:45:46 AM
What we have had over night is slightly more than a drop of rain. This is more like a monsoon. Cancelling the game is the right decision.
The pitch is Newry was always known as The Marshes, it didn't get that name for nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on November 01, 2009, 11:01:50 AM
The game between Kilcoo and St Eunan's will take place at Newry next Sunday. This is from the bbc website

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on November 01, 2009, 11:11:58 AM
our game against Teconnaught today is also off, Darragh Cross is unplayable.
game to be re-fixed for next weekend!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 01, 2009, 11:38:01 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 01, 2009, 10:42:13 AM
Jesus Pairc esler cannot take a drop off rain, Kilcoo v St Eunans and Ballymartin v Cookstown have been cancelled today due to a waterlogged pitch. Talk about being pissed off with that woeful pitch.

One of he most ill-informed comments I have ever read on here. Since the new Prunty pitch was laid at Pairc Esler it has proven to one of the most durable pitches in the province, hosting countless games week in week out. All ther recent championship games were played without hitch and with the surface gaining universal positive comment.
Anyone around Newry this morning will know that the roads, never mind the pitch, are waterlogged with torrentail rain. Games are being called off all over the country, racing at Leopardstown has been cancelled and all the Down moaners can grumble about is the first weather-postponment in Pairc Esler all year.....

Get a grip.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 01, 2009, 11:50:24 AM
Quote from: Leo on November 01, 2009, 11:38:01 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 01, 2009, 10:42:13 AM
Jesus Pairc esler cannot take a drop off rain, Kilcoo v St Eunans and Ballymartin v Cookstown have been cancelled today due to a waterlogged pitch. Talk about being pissed off with that woeful pitch.

One of he most ill-informed comments I have ever read on here. Since the new Prunty pitch was laid at Pairc Esler it has proven to one of the most durable pitches in the province, hosting countless games week in week out. All ther recent championship games were played without hitch and with the surface gaining universal positive comment.
Anyone around Newry this morning will know that the roads, never mind the pitch, are waterlogged with torrentail rain. Games are being called off all over the country, racing at Leopardstown has been cancelled and all the Down moaners can grumble about is the first weather-postponment in Pairc Esler all year.....

Get a grip.

Well on friday there was a days rain and it couldnt host the league final. Very durable that. I was in saval yesterday a short distance from newry and their pitch was in immaculate condition with the same amount off rain fall. OK since I posted my comment earlier i realise the severity off the weather and yeah the right call was made to postpone it. If your club was involved and you had a vested interest you would be disapointed too after building up for this day all week to get news at sunday mass its off. Its very frustrating but we will just have to get ready for this day week and give it a lash.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 01, 2009, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 01:00:17 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 31, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2009, 04:36:41 PM
With the League season near enough over, how's about posters selecting the best 15 players in their club's Division who impressed them over the year.


My Division 3 XV

1. Bernie Connell (Drumgath)

2. Marc Cunningham (Dundrum)
3. Stephen Deegans (Ardglass)
4. Adam King (Saul)

5. Kevin McKiverghan (Tullylish)
6. Gareth Johnston (Tullylish)
7. Mark Connolly (Drumgath)

8. Michael Magee (Ardglass)
9. Colm Murtagh (Glenn)

10. Niall McParland (Glenn)
11. Peter Quinn (Tullylish)
12. Mattie Bagnall (Glenn)

13. Shannon Drainey (Tullylish)
14. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
15. Gerard McAnulty (St Johns)

colm murtagh did not do too much today on jack lynch did he? as for mattie bagnal steven parsons made him look ordinary today. you need to rethink your 15 mate.

I'd suggest you go back to your much loved glasgow celtic thread & post your daft comments on there.
DF was posting an opinion on the best players over the course of a season in a division which he had a vested interest in & from his predictions in the past, he's usually not far off the mark.
While your good self probably went to your first game of the season on Saturday with your Drumgath blinkers on & then come on here to try & act the large fella by telling DF to rethink his 15 MATE, i'm taking a guess that the once mighty Celtic play today, hence your attendance at a GAA match yesterday!
As the saying goes, one swallow never made a summer & I look forward to Steven Parsons cancelling out the threat of Rory Kavanagh in Ballybofey Next June. ;)

Supporting celtic is now banned in county Down GAA circles, so it seems id disagreeing with regular posters. you have know idea who i am you clown. the mans pick is badly thought out and way off the mark. he has shannon drainey in his full forward line. shannon did not even start in a lot of tullylish games this year and played in half forward when he did. gareth johnstone plays midfield for tullylish. how can parsons not be on a 15 select from div 3? Barry Hynes at 38 will likely win drumgath player of the year, yet no mention.
Mourne Rambler coming on dishing abuse at me for no reason. you are out of order. Big man
hiding behind a peusodynm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 01, 2009, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 01:00:17 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 31, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2009, 04:36:41 PM
With the League season near enough over, how's about posters selecting the best 15 players in their club's Division who impressed them over the year.


My Division 3 XV

1. Bernie Connell (Drumgath)

2. Marc Cunningham (Dundrum)
3. Stephen Deegans (Ardglass)
4. Adam King (Saul)

5. Kevin McKiverghan (Tullylish)
6. Gareth Johnston (Tullylish)
7. Mark Connolly (Drumgath)

8. Michael Magee (Ardglass)
9. Colm Murtagh (Glenn)

10. Niall McParland (Glenn)
11. Peter Quinn (Tullylish)
12. Mattie Bagnall (Glenn)

13. Shannon Drainey (Tullylish)
14. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
15. Gerard McAnulty (St Johns)

colm murtagh did not do too much today on jack lynch did he? as for mattie bagnal steven parsons made him look ordinary today. you need to rethink your 15 mate.

I'd suggest you go back to your much loved glasgow celtic thread & post your daft comments on there.
DF was posting an opinion on the best players over the course of a season in a division which he had a vested interest in & from his predictions in the past, he's usually not far off the mark.
While your good self probably went to your first game of the season on Saturday with your Drumgath blinkers on & then come on here to try & act the large fella by telling DF to rethink his 15 MATE, i'm taking a guess that the once mighty Celtic play today, hence your attendance at a GAA match yesterday!
As the saying goes, one swallow never made a summer & I look forward to Steven Parsons cancelling out the threat of Rory Kavanagh in Ballybofey Next June. ;)

Supporting celtic is now banned in county Down GAA circles, so it seems id disagreeing with regular posters. you have know idea who i am you clown. the mans pick is badly thought out and way off the mark. he has shannon drainey in his full forward line. shannon did not even start in a lot of tullylish games this year and played in half forward when he did. gareth johnstone plays midfield for tullylish. how can parsons not be on a 15 select from div 3? Barry Hynes at 38 will likely win drumgath player of the year, yet no mention.
Mourne Rambler coming on dishing abuse at me for no reason. you are out of order. Big man
hiding behind a peusodynm.

Eh I presume the word your trying to spell is PSEUDONYM, I think it was yourself who had the dig at DF from behind a pseudonym, pot kettle black & if you had of paid a little bit more attention in your English class your post would make more sense ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 01, 2009, 12:13:46 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 01, 2009, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 01:00:17 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 31, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2009, 04:36:41 PM
With the League season near enough over, how's about posters selecting the best 15 players in their club's Division who impressed them over the year.


My Division 3 XV

1. Bernie Connell (Drumgath)

2. Marc Cunningham (Dundrum)
3. Stephen Deegans (Ardglass)
4. Adam King (Saul)

5. Kevin McKiverghan (Tullylish)
6. Gareth Johnston (Tullylish)
7. Mark Connolly (Drumgath)

8. Michael Magee (Ardglass)
9. Colm Murtagh (Glenn)

10. Niall McParland (Glenn)
11. Peter Quinn (Tullylish)
12. Mattie Bagnall (Glenn)

13. Shannon Drainey (Tullylish)
14. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
15. Gerard McAnulty (St Johns)

colm murtagh did not do too much today on jack lynch did he? as for mattie bagnal steven parsons made him look ordinary today. you need to rethink your 15 mate.

I'd suggest you go back to your much loved glasgow celtic thread & post your daft comments on there.
DF was posting an opinion on the best players over the course of a season in a division which he had a vested interest in & from his predictions in the past, he's usually not far off the mark.
While your good self probably went to your first game of the season on Saturday with your Drumgath blinkers on & then come on here to try & act the large fella by telling DF to rethink his 15 MATE, i'm taking a guess that the once mighty Celtic play today, hence your attendance at a GAA match yesterday!
As the saying goes, one swallow never made a summer & I look forward to Steven Parsons cancelling out the threat of Rory Kavanagh in Ballybofey Next June. ;)

Supporting celtic is now banned in county Down GAA circles, so it seems id disagreeing with regular posters. you have know idea who i am you clown. the mans pick is badly thought out and way off the mark. he has shannon drainey in his full forward line. shannon did not even start in a lot of tullylish games this year and played in half forward when he did. gareth johnstone plays midfield for tullylish. how can parsons not be on a 15 select from div 3? Barry Hynes at 38 will likely win drumgath player of the year, yet no mention.
Mourne Rambler coming on dishing abuse at me for no reason. you are out of order. Big man
hiding behind a peusodynm.
i was merely disgreeing with his selection. as for micking my dsylecia, we are well and truly off on the wrong foot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
Division 3 Team of the year 2009 ;)

1.B.Connell
2.N.Fitzpatrick
3.S.Parsons
4.N.Goodwin
5.D.Mooney
6.B.Hynds
7.M.Connolly
8.J.Lynch
9.C.Maginn
10.R.Hillen
11.P.O'Hare
12.S.Fitzpatrick
13.E.McConville
14.P.Downey
15.C.Grant

How's that for a selection then charlieTully?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 01, 2009, 12:27:22 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
Division 3 Team of the year 2009 ;)

1.B.Connell
2.N.Fitzpatrick
3.S.Parsons
4.N.Goodwin
5.D.Mooney
6.B.Hynds
7.M.Connolly
8.J.Lynch
9.C.Maginn
10.R.Hillen
11.P.O'Hare
12.S.Fitzpatrick
13.E.McConville
14.P.Downey
15.C.Grant

How's that for a selection then charlieTully?
much better. roll on div 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 01, 2009, 01:06:28 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
Division 3 Team of the year 2009 ;)

1.B.Connell
2.N.Fitzpatrick
3.S.Parsons
4.N.Goodwin
5.D.Mooney
6.B.Hynds
7.M.Connolly
8.J.Lynch
9.C.Maginn
10.R.Hillen
11.P.O'Hare
12.S.Fitzpatrick
13.E.McConville
14.P.Downey
15.C.Grant

How's that for a selection then charlieTully?

Add Peter Hynes who was full forward yesterday and injured players Mark Brannigan and Justin Lynch you have some side.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 01, 2009, 01:46:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 01, 2009, 11:50:24 AM
Well on friday there was a days rain and it couldnt host the league final. Very durable that.

I think fridays game was cancelled to give the pitch a chance of being ready for todays games. There would be very few playabe pitches in the county today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on November 01, 2009, 02:00:53 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
Division 3 Team of the year 2009 ;)

1.B.Connell
2.N.Fitzpatrick
3.S.Parsons
4.N.Goodwin
5.D.Mooney
6.B.Hynds
7.M.Connolly
8.J.Lynch
9.C.Maginn
10.R.Hillen
11.P.O'Hare
12.S.Fitzpatrick
13.E.McConville
14.P.Downey
15.C.Grant

How's that for a selection then charlieTully?

No place for Div3's county star?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 04:07:47 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on November 01, 2009, 02:00:53 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
Division 3 Team of the year 2009 ;)

1.B.Connell
2.N.Fitzpatrick
3.S.Parsons
4.N.Goodwin
5.D.Mooney
6.B.Hynds
7.M.Connolly
8.J.Lynch
9.C.Maginn
10.R.Hillen
11.P.O'Hare
12.S.Fitzpatrick
13.E.McConville
14.P.Downey
15.C.Grant

How's that for a selection then charlieTully?

No place for Div3's county star?

Is it due to the credit crunch that those pennies in Drumaness take so long to drop ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 01, 2009, 05:43:38 PM
What about mccaughey of bredagh in the division 3 team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on November 01, 2009, 06:04:04 PM
mark. if you are reappointed to manage the down minors this season please dont overlook the[ stevie parsonsons]  of this game. he could have been selected for two seasons but was ignored .against glen yesterday he disposed of your selected forwards at his ease and had time to score apoint as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on November 01, 2009, 06:07:59 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 04:07:47 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on November 01, 2009, 02:00:53 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
Division 3 Team of the year 2009 ;)

1.B.Connell
2.N.Fitzpatrick
3.S.Parsons
4.N.Goodwin
5.D.Mooney
6.B.Hynds
7.M.Connolly
8.J.Lynch
9.C.Maginn
10.R.Hillen
11.P.O'Hare
12.S.Fitzpatrick
13.E.McConville
14.P.Downey
15.C.Grant

How's that for a selection then charlieTully?

No place for Div3's county star?

Is it due to the credit crunch that those pennies in Drumaness take so long to drop ???

Still dont get it. He beat teams on his own at times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 06:33:28 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on November 01, 2009, 06:07:59 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 04:07:47 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on November 01, 2009, 02:00:53 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
Division 3 Team of the year 2009 ;)

1.B.Connell
2.N.Fitzpatrick
3.S.Parsons
4.N.Goodwin
5.D.Mooney
6.B.Hynds
7.M.Connolly
8.J.Lynch
9.C.Maginn
10.R.Hillen
11.P.O'Hare
12.S.Fitzpatrick
13.E.McConville
14.P.Downey
15.C.Grant

How's that for a selection then charlieTully?

No place for Div3's county star?

Is it due to the credit crunch that those pennies in Drumaness take so long to drop ???

Still dont get it. He beat teams on his own at times.

This entire team is from Drumgath, it was posted for a bit of craic to keep charlieTully happy, sometimes you need to read previous posts to get the true picture!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on November 01, 2009, 07:02:51 PM
I'm not up on my drumgath players. I read the previous comments oblivious to Charlies feelings about div 3.

Silly billy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on November 01, 2009, 08:14:46 PM
Quote from: Leo on November 01, 2009, 11:38:01 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 01, 2009, 10:42:13 AM
Jesus Pairc esler cannot take a drop off rain, Kilcoo v St Eunans and Ballymartin v Cookstown have been cancelled today due to a waterlogged pitch. Talk about being pissed off with that woeful pitch.

One of he most ill-informed comments I have ever read on here. Since the new Prunty pitch was laid at Pairc Esler it has proven to one of the most durable pitches in the province, hosting countless games week in week out. All ther recent championship games were played without hitch and with the surface gaining universal positive comment.
Anyone around Newry this morning will know that the roads, never mind the pitch, are waterlogged with torrentail rain. Games are being called off all over the country, racing at Leopardstown has been cancelled and all the Down moaners can grumble about is the first weather-postponment in Pairc Esler all year.....

Get a grip.
It would appear that it's Achilles heal is that it cannot cope with a sudden persistant downpour.  It needs a few hours to drain away the underground tanks.  The same thing happened last year when the NFL Div 3 game v. Limerick was cancelled at the last minute as there was heavy rainfall while the Limerick team were travelling north for a Saturday evening game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 01, 2009, 09:30:17 PM
Thurs 5th Nov 7 30 Pairc Esler
ACFL Div 1 Final
Bryansford v Mayobridge(C Reynolds)


Fri 6th Nov 7 00 Newcastle
ACFL Div 3 Final
Drumgath v Tullylish(E O Hare)
Newcastle 8 30
ACFL Div 1 Relegation Play Off
Liatroim v Saval(G Corrigan)

Sun 8th Nov 1 00 An Riocht
ACFL Div 2 Relegation Play Off
Glasdrumman v Shamrocks(G Tumelty)

Downpatrick 1 00
ACFL Div 3 Relegation Play Off
Teconnaught v St Pauls(M Curran)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on November 01, 2009, 09:41:24 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 06:33:28 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on November 01, 2009, 06:07:59 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 04:07:47 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on November 01, 2009, 02:00:53 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
Division 3 Team of the year 2009 ;)

1.B.Connell
2.N.Fitzpatrick
3.S.Parsons
4.N.Goodwin
5.D.Mooney
6.B.Hynds
7.M.Connolly
8.J.Lynch
9.C.Maginn
10.R.Hillen
11.P.O'Hare
12.S.Fitzpatrick
13.E.McConville
14.P.Downey
15.C.Grant

How's that for a selection then charlieTully?

No place for Div3's county star?

Is it due to the credit crunch that those pennies in Drumaness take so long to drop ???

Still dont get it. He beat teams on his own at times.

This entire team is from Drumgath, it was posted for a bit of craic to keep charlieTully happy, sometimes you need to read previous posts to get the true picture!

The Drumgath boys getting very ahead of themselves thinking they will beat Tullylish no bother. Tullylish are the hungrier team and more up for it. Tullylish to win by four
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 01, 2009, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 01, 2009, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 01:00:17 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 31, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2009, 04:36:41 PM
With the League season near enough over, how's about posters selecting the best 15 players in their club's Division who impressed them over the year.


My Division 3 XV

1. Bernie Connell (Drumgath)

2. Marc Cunningham (Dundrum)
3. Stephen Deegans (Ardglass)
4. Adam King (Saul)

5. Kevin McKiverghan (Tullylish)
6. Gareth Johnston (Tullylish)
7. Mark Connolly (Drumgath)

8. Michael Magee (Ardglass)
9. Colm Murtagh (Glenn)

10. Niall McParland (Glenn)
11. Peter Quinn (Tullylish)
12. Mattie Bagnall (Glenn)

13. Shannon Drainey (Tullylish)
14. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
15. Gerard McAnulty (St Johns)

colm murtagh did not do too much today on jack lynch did he? as for mattie bagnal steven parsons made him look ordinary today. you need to rethink your 15 mate.

I'd suggest you go back to your much loved glasgow celtic thread & post your daft comments on there.
DF was posting an opinion on the best players over the course of a season in a division which he had a vested interest in & from his predictions in the past, he's usually not far off the mark.
While your good self probably went to your first game of the season on Saturday with your Drumgath blinkers on & then come on here to try & act the large fella by telling DF to rethink his 15 MATE, i'm taking a guess that the once mighty Celtic play today, hence your attendance at a GAA match yesterday!
As the saying goes, one swallow never made a summer & I look forward to Steven Parsons cancelling out the threat of Rory Kavanagh in Ballybofey Next June. ;)

Supporting celtic is now banned in county Down GAA circles, so it seems id disagreeing with regular posters. you have know idea who i am you clown. the mans pick is badly thought out and way off the mark. he has shannon drainey in his full forward line. shannon did not even start in a lot of tullylish games this year and played in half forward when he did. gareth johnstone plays midfield for tullylish. how can parsons not be on a 15 select from div 3? Barry Hynes at 38 will likely win drumgath player of the year, yet no mention.
Mourne Rambler coming on dishing abuse at me for no reason. you are out of order. Big man
hiding behind a peusodynm.

Right Mr Charlie 'fairweather' Tully. My selection was based on my opinion of those players who played well over the course of the year and not just one game.

Jack Lynch may have had the edge over Murtagh yesterday but Ive seen Murtagh three times this season and he has impressed me everytime.

Again, Parsons may have marked Bagnall well but over the year Bagnall has terrorised most defences while Parsons has been been poor on both occasions that I seen him play this year.

Also, Shannon Drainey has been positioned at corner forward and not half forward when I viewed him in action while Gareth Johnston is not exclusively a midfielder and is usually found at full back or centre half back.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 01, 2009, 10:28:23 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 01, 2009, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 01, 2009, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 01:00:17 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 31, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2009, 04:36:41 PM
With the League season near enough over, how's about posters selecting the best 15 players in their club's Division who impressed them over the year.


My Division 3 XV

1. Bernie Connell (Drumgath)

2. Marc Cunningham (Dundrum)
3. Stephen Deegans (Ardglass)
4. Adam King (Saul)

5. Kevin McKiverghan (Tullylish)
6. Gareth Johnston (Tullylish)
7. Mark Connolly (Drumgath)

8. Michael Magee (Ardglass)
9. Colm Murtagh (Glenn)

10. Niall McParland (Glenn)
11. Peter Quinn (Tullylish)
12. Mattie Bagnall (Glenn)

13. Shannon Drainey (Tullylish)
14. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
15. Gerard McAnulty (St Johns)

colm murtagh did not do too much today on jack lynch did he? as for mattie bagnal steven parsons made him look ordinary today. you need to rethink your 15 mate.

I'd suggest you go back to your much loved glasgow celtic thread & post your daft comments on there.
DF was posting an opinion on the best players over the course of a season in a division which he had a vested interest in & from his predictions in the past, he's usually not far off the mark.
While your good self probably went to your first game of the season on Saturday with your Drumgath blinkers on & then come on here to try & act the large fella by telling DF to rethink his 15 MATE, i'm taking a guess that the once mighty Celtic play today, hence your attendance at a GAA match yesterday!
As the saying goes, one swallow never made a summer & I look forward to Steven Parsons cancelling out the threat of Rory Kavanagh in Ballybofey Next June. ;)

Supporting celtic is now banned in county Down GAA circles, so it seems id disagreeing with regular posters. you have know idea who i am you clown. the mans pick is badly thought out and way off the mark. he has shannon drainey in his full forward line. shannon did not even start in a lot of tullylish games this year and played in half forward when he did. gareth johnstone plays midfield for tullylish. how can parsons not be on a 15 select from div 3? Barry Hynes at 38 will likely win drumgath player of the year, yet no mention.
Mourne Rambler coming on dishing abuse at me for no reason. you are out of order. Big man
hiding behind a peusodynm.

Right Mr Charlie 'fairweather' Tully. My selection was based on my opinion of those players who played well over the course of the year and not just one game.

Jack Lynch may have had the edge over Murtagh yesterday but Ive seen Murtagh three times this season and he has impressed me everytime.

Again, Parsons may have marked Bagnall well but over the year Bagnall has terrorised most defences while Parsons has been been poor on both occasions that I seen him play this year.

Also, Shannon Drainey has been positioned at corner forward and not half forward when I viewed him in action while Gareth Johnston is not exclusively a midfielder and is usually found at full back or centre half back.

Don't  take the bait,DF your 15 is a fair reflection.When I saw Drumgath,Connolly was oustanding at 11 for them,Jackie Lynch was also superb,and remains the most effective midfielder in Div 3.Downey was always a quality player CHF may suit him better as he tended to get isolated in FF,perhaps we will see more of him at county level.Regarding the others,Johnson and Mcanulty also impressed me.McComiskey looked a different class in any Dundrum games I saw.I think a prolonged off-season,and no Sigerson involvement will leave him fresh and hungry for 2010.
Your selection of King  is interesting.Saul's dip in form this  year apparently corresponded to King's absence.A tough honest player,well worth a trial at county level IMHO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 01, 2009, 11:14:10 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 01, 2009, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 01, 2009, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 01:00:17 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 31, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2009, 04:36:41 PM
With the League season near enough over, how's about posters selecting the best 15 players in their club's Division who impressed them over the year.


My Division 3 XV

1. Bernie Connell (Drumgath)

2. Marc Cunningham (Dundrum)
3. Stephen Deegans (Ardglass)
4. Adam King (Saul)

5. Kevin McKiverghan (Tullylish)
6. Gareth Johnston (Tullylish)
7. Mark Connolly (Drumgath)

8. Michael Magee (Ardglass)
9. Colm Murtagh (Glenn)

10. Niall McParland (Glenn)
11. Peter Quinn (Tullylish)
12. Mattie Bagnall (Glenn)

13. Shannon Drainey (Tullylish)
14. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
15. Gerard McAnulty (St Johns)

colm murtagh did not do too much today on jack lynch did he? as for mattie bagnal steven parsons made him look ordinary today. you need to rethink your 15 mate.

I'd suggest you go back to your much loved glasgow celtic thread & post your daft comments on there.
DF was posting an opinion on the best players over the course of a season in a division which he had a vested interest in & from his predictions in the past, he's usually not far off the mark.
While your good self probably went to your first game of the season on Saturday with your Drumgath blinkers on & then come on here to try & act the large fella by telling DF to rethink his 15 MATE, i'm taking a guess that the once mighty Celtic play today, hence your attendance at a GAA match yesterday!
As the saying goes, one swallow never made a summer & I look forward to Steven Parsons cancelling out the threat of Rory Kavanagh in Ballybofey Next June. ;)

Supporting celtic is now banned in county Down GAA circles, so it seems id disagreeing with regular posters. you have know idea who i am you clown. the mans pick is badly thought out and way off the mark. he has shannon drainey in his full forward line. shannon did not even start in a lot of tullylish games this year and played in half forward when he did. gareth johnstone plays midfield for tullylish. how can parsons not be on a 15 select from div 3? Barry Hynes at 38 will likely win drumgath player of the year, yet no mention.
Mourne Rambler coming on dishing abuse at me for no reason. you are out of order. Big man
hiding behind a peusodynm.

Right Mr Charlie 'fairweather' Tully. My selection was based on my opinion of those players who played well over the course of the year and not just one game.

Jack Lynch may have had the edge over Murtagh yesterday but Ive seen Murtagh three times this season and he has impressed me everytime.

Again, Parsons may have marked Bagnall well but over the year Bagnall has terrorised most defences while Parsons has been been poor on both occasions that I seen him play this year.

Also, Shannon Drainey has been positioned at corner forward and not half forward when I viewed him in action while Gareth Johnston is not exclusively a midfielder and is usually found at full back or centre half back.
Did Parsons have the unfortunite task off marking McComiskey when you seen him playn DF? If so i think he deserves some slack as P McComm is unmarkable in Down. I rate Parsons very highly. seen him about a dozen times this year and last and think he is most improved player in Down for one so young. He made very few St Mals teams while a student but to play number 3 in a div 3 promotion chasing team to the standard he has is no mean feat in past two years. He was def worth his place on Down minors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on November 02, 2009, 06:08:49 AM
Guys, can you spread the word among your clubmates about the following.

With the 125 celebrations, Saul GAC along with East Down AC  are organising a 10K event and Fun Run on Sunday November 22nd starting at 1pm. With, hopefully, playoffs completed by then, then its a great opportunity for clubs and individual runners to keep up the fitness targets going into the winter break. As part of this, in line with the place of Athletics in the GAA, we're looking to invite entries from teams (athletic and non-athletic) to compete over the 10k with the 1st four finishers in each team counting for the overall placings so it would be a great way to wrap the year up with the clubs of Down (and possibly further afield) taking on each other (in club colours) over the gentle hills of Saul for local bragging rights :)  Could Kilcoo claim this title also? Can you lads from Mayobridge, Clonduff, Burren, Bryansford, Loughinisland come to St Pats country and take the trophy home? There's a promise that there'll be no playoffs needed to decide the winners :)

(http://saul-gac.re-invent.net/imagefetch.ashx?size=20&imageid=270)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 02, 2009, 11:54:51 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 01, 2009, 11:14:10 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 01, 2009, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 01, 2009, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 01:00:17 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 31, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2009, 04:36:41 PM
With the League season near enough over, how's about posters selecting the best 15 players in their club's Division who impressed them over the year.


My Division 3 XV

1. Bernie Connell (Drumgath)

2. Marc Cunningham (Dundrum)
3. Stephen Deegans (Ardglass)
4. Adam King (Saul)

5. Kevin McKiverghan (Tullylish)
6. Gareth Johnston (Tullylish)
7. Mark Connolly (Drumgath)

8. Michael Magee (Ardglass)
9. Colm Murtagh (Glenn)

10. Niall McParland (Glenn)
11. Peter Quinn (Tullylish)
12. Mattie Bagnall (Glenn)

13. Shannon Drainey (Tullylish)
14. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
15. Gerard McAnulty (St Johns)

colm murtagh did not do too much today on jack lynch did he? as for mattie bagnal steven parsons made him look ordinary today. you need to rethink your 15 mate.

I'd suggest you go back to your much loved glasgow celtic thread & post your daft comments on there.
DF was posting an opinion on the best players over the course of a season in a division which he had a vested interest in & from his predictions in the past, he's usually not far off the mark.
While your good self probably went to your first game of the season on Saturday with your Drumgath blinkers on & then come on here to try & act the large fella by telling DF to rethink his 15 MATE, i'm taking a guess that the once mighty Celtic play today, hence your attendance at a GAA match yesterday!
As the saying goes, one swallow never made a summer & I look forward to Steven Parsons cancelling out the threat of Rory Kavanagh in Ballybofey Next June. ;)

Supporting celtic is now banned in county Down GAA circles, so it seems id disagreeing with regular posters. you have know idea who i am you clown. the mans pick is badly thought out and way off the mark. he has shannon drainey in his full forward line. shannon did not even start in a lot of tullylish games this year and played in half forward when he did. gareth johnstone plays midfield for tullylish. how can parsons not be on a 15 select from div 3? Barry Hynes at 38 will likely win drumgath player of the year, yet no mention.
Mourne Rambler coming on dishing abuse at me for no reason. you are out of order. Big man
hiding behind a peusodynm.

Right Mr Charlie 'fairweather' Tully. My selection was based on my opinion of those players who played well over the course of the year and not just one game.

Jack Lynch may have had the edge over Murtagh yesterday but Ive seen Murtagh three times this season and he has impressed me everytime.

Again, Parsons may have marked Bagnall well but over the year Bagnall has terrorised most defences while Parsons has been been poor on both occasions that I seen him play this year.

Also, Shannon Drainey has been positioned at corner forward and not half forward when I viewed him in action while Gareth Johnston is not exclusively a midfielder and is usually found at full back or centre half back.
Did Parsons have the unfortunite task off marking McComiskey when you seen him playn DF? If so i think he deserves some slack as P McComm is unmarkable in Down. I rate Parsons very highly. seen him about a dozen times this year and last and think he is most improved player in Down for one so young. He made very few St Mals teams while a student but to play number 3 in a div 3 promotion chasing team to the standard he has is no mean feat in past two years. He was def worth his place on Down minors.

Yeah he marked him in Dundrum and had a torrid time as do most backs in Ulster never mind division 3 when Paul is on form. Shannon Drainey was awesome against us, particularly in Tullylish posting 5 or 6 from play. Johnson was CHB against us and have noted he has being lining out at number 3 for the St. Marys sigerson team. Can't really argue with that selection posted DF.
Charlie you mightn't want to get caught too far ahead of yourself, Tullylish have being the most consistent team in Division 3 this year and won't be a pushover.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 02, 2009, 12:32:33 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 02, 2009, 11:54:51 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 01, 2009, 11:14:10 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 01, 2009, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 01, 2009, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 01:00:17 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 31, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2009, 04:36:41 PM
With the League season near enough over, how's about posters selecting the best 15 players in their club's Division who impressed them over the year.


My Division 3 XV

1. Bernie Connell (Drumgath)

2. Marc Cunningham (Dundrum)
3. Stephen Deegans (Ardelia's)
4. Adam King (Saul)

5. Kevin McGovern (Tallish)
6. Gareth Johnston (Tullylish)
7. Mark Connolly (Drumgath)

8. Michael Magee (Ardglass)
9. Colm Murtagh (Glenn)

10. Niall McParland (Glenn)
11. Peter Quinn (Tullylish)
12. Mattie Bagnall (Glenn)

13. Shannon Drainey (Tullylish)
14. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
15. Gerard McAnulty (St Johns)

colm murtagh did not do too much today on jack lynch did he? as for mattie bagnal steven parsons made him look ordinary today. you need to rethink your 15 mate.

I'd suggest you go back to your much loved glasgow celtic thread & post your daft comments on there.
DF was posting an opinion on the best players over the course of a season in a division which he had a vested interest in & from his predictions in the past, he's usually not far off the mark.
While your good self probably went to your first game of the season on Saturday with your Drumgath blinkers on & then come on here to try & act the large fella by telling DF to rethink his 15 MATE, i'm taking a guess that the once mighty Celtic play today, hence your attendance at a GAA match yesterday!
As the saying goes, one swallow never made a summer & I look forward to Steven Parsons cancelling out the threat of Rory Kavanagh in Ballybofey Next June. ;)

Supporting celtic is now banned in county Down GAA circles, so it seems id disagreeing with regular posters. you have know idea who i am you clown. the mans pick is badly thought out and way off the mark. he has shannon drainey in his full forward line. shannon did not even start in a lot of tullylish games this year and played in half forward when he did. gareth johnstone plays midfield for tullylish. how can parsons not be on a 15 select from div 3? Barry Hynes at 38 will likely win drumgath player of the year, yet no mention.
Mourne Rambler coming on dishing abuse at me for no reason. you are out of order. Big man
hiding behind a peusodynm.

Right Mr Charlie 'fairweather' Tully. My selection was based on my opinion of those players who played well over the course of the year and not just one game.

Jack Lynch may have had the edge over Murtagh yesterday but Ive seen Murtagh three times this season and he has impressed me everytime.

Again, Parsons may have marked Bagnall well but over the year Bagnall has terrorised most defences while Parsons has been been poor on both occasions that I seen him play this year.

Also, Shannon Drainey has been positioned at corner forward and not half forward when I viewed him in action while Gareth Johnston is not exclusively a midfielder and is usually found at full back or centre half back.
Did Parsons have the unfortunite task off marking McComiskey when you seen him playn DF? If so i think he deserves some slack as P McComm is unmarkable in Down. I rate Parsons very highly. seen him about a dozen times this year and last and think he is most improved player in Down for one so young. He made very few St Mals teams while a student but to play number 3 in a div 3 promotion chasing team to the standard he has is no mean feat in past two years. He was def worth his place on Down minors.

Yeah he marked him in Dundrum and had a torrid time as do most backs in Ulster never mind division 3 when Paul is on form. Shannon Drainey was awesome against us, particularly in Tullylish posting 5 or 6 from play. Johnson was CHB against us and have noted he has being lining out at number 3 for the St. Marys sigerson team. Can't really argue with that selection posted DF.
Charlie you mightn't want to get caught too far ahead of yourself, Tullylish have being the most consistent team in Division 3 this year and won't be a pushover.

i am not getting ahead of myself but drumgath have been the better team on both occasions they have played tullylish this year. the main point i was trying to make was that stevie parsons should be in a select 15 from div 3 this year. btw you can f**k off with your fairweather shite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 02, 2009, 01:01:08 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 01, 2009, 12:27:22 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
Division 3 Team of the year 2009 ;)

1.B.Connell
2.N.Fitzpatrick
3.S.Parsons
4.N.Goodwin
5.D.Mooney
6.B.Hynds
7.M.Connolly
8.J.Lynch
9.C.Maginn
10.R.Hillen
11.P.O'Hare
12.S.Fitzpatrick
13.E.McConville
14.P.Downey
15.C.Grant

How's that for a selection then charlieTully?
much better. roll on div 2.

I would beg to differ that your not getting ever so slightly ahead of yourself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 02, 2009, 01:22:39 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 02, 2009, 01:01:08 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 01, 2009, 12:27:22 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 01, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
Division 3 Team of the year 2009 ;)

1.B.Connell
2.N.Fitzpatrick
3.S.Parsons
4.N.Goodwin
5.D.Mooney
6.B.Hynds
7.M.Connolly
8.J.Lynch
9.C.Maginn
10.R.Hillen
11.P.O'Hare
12.S.Fitzpatrick
13.E.McConville
14.P.Downey
15.C.Grant

How's that for a selection then charlieTully?
much better. roll on div 2.

I would beg to differ that your not getting ever so slightly ahead of yourself.
that was a bit of craic with mourne rambler. its all on the night i know and expext a very close game which i hope drumgath can edge. i have a lot of respect for tullylish and its a pity both teams are not going up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on November 02, 2009, 01:42:26 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on November 01, 2009, 09:30:17 PM
Thurs 5th Nov 7 30 Pairc Esler
ACFL Div 1 Final
Bryansford v Mayobridge(C Reynolds)


Fri 6th Nov 7 00 Newcastle
ACFL Div 3 Final
Drumgath v Tullylish(E O Hare)
Newcastle 8 30
ACFL Div 1 Relegation Play Off
Liatroim v Saval(G Corrigan)

Sun 8th Nov 1 00 An Riocht
ACFL Div 2 Relegation Play Off
Glasdrumman v Shamrocks(G Tumelty)

Downpatrick 1 00
ACFL Div 3 Relegation Play Off
Teconnaught v St Pauls(M Curran)

I thought the Div1 final was on friday night!?!?!? :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 02, 2009, 01:46:44 PM
Whilst on the topic of Drumgath, what ever happened to a young fella Downey? Mark I think his name is? Seen him play an u 16 final against us a couple of years ago, looked a class act. Aint heard of him playing at senior level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 02, 2009, 01:54:39 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 02, 2009, 01:46:44 PM
Whilst on the topic of Drumgath, what ever happened to a young fella Downey? Mark I think his name is? Seen him play an u 16 final against us a couple of years ago, looked a class act. Aint heard of him playing at senior level.

he threw the head up after an argument and quit. hot tempered lad, pity because he has a lot of potential.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on November 03, 2009, 07:57:37 AM
Quote from: interested on November 02, 2009, 11:06:45 PM
  Is that the end of the Div 3 chat?
Please!
Your free to talk about any other down leagues, or indeed anything else down football/hurling related, dont let us stop you ;D ;D.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on November 03, 2009, 10:37:03 AM
Quote from: off the laces on November 03, 2009, 07:57:37 AM
Quote from: interested on November 02, 2009, 11:06:45 PM
  Is that the end of the Div 3 chat?
Please!
Your free to talk about any other down leagues, or indeed anything else down football/hurling related, dont let us stop you ;D ;D.
Thank-you for your kindness.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 03, 2009, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: interested on November 03, 2009, 10:37:03 AM
Quote from: off the laces on November 03, 2009, 07:57:37 AM
Quote from: interested on November 02, 2009, 11:06:45 PM
  Is that the end of the Div 3 chat?
Please!
Your free to talk about any other down leagues, or indeed anything else down football/hurling related, dont let us stop you ;D ;D.
Thank-you for your kindness.

If you have nothing more interesting to say than that interested (excuse the pun,) I may have to reignite the division 3 chat  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on November 04, 2009, 09:40:11 AM
Any reports on the minor league semis from last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 04, 2009, 09:47:24 AM
Burren v Kilcoo minor league final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 04, 2009, 11:00:40 AM
Anyone know of any new lads called up for the county/trials?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 04, 2009, 11:36:49 AM
Ciaran Sloan and Ricky Kerr from Kilclief nominated for trials as far as I know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 04, 2009, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: No1 on November 04, 2009, 11:36:49 AM
Ciaran Sloan and Ricky Kerr from Kilclief nominated for trials as far as I know.

Two great players,No.1,have proved on their quality on many occasions,Kilclief's performances this season,have obviously been noticed.What about D.Ritchie,always thought he was a quality defender ,with loads of pace and bravery,is he not worth a trial?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 04, 2009, 12:43:10 PM
Quote from: No1 on November 04, 2009, 11:36:49 AM
Ciaran Sloan and Ricky Kerr from Kilclief nominated for trials as far as I know.

Is that the guy that scored from everywhere against us when youse beat us down there No 1 or was that Ricky....whoever it was it was a mganificent display of shooting from all angles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 04, 2009, 12:53:02 PM
That's our Rosie alright 5 Sams (not to be confused with the man mountain who used to do goals for Rostrevor)!

Whether or not they show up for trials is a different matter, big stag on this weekend!

6th Sam, Donie is injured at the minute so he wouldn't do himself any justice.  He'd be perfect for a trial match though, never parts with the f**king thing!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 04, 2009, 01:24:51 PM
No.1, do you fellas have a stag every weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Donegal Danny on November 04, 2009, 01:29:00 PM
Lads what is the weather like up around Newry? If this weather keeps up do you think the Marshes will be fit for a game on Sunday? Will the Intermediate game be played before? If newry isn't fit what and where is plan B. Is Newcastle the second county ground? How do you feel about moving the game to Armagh since it was fit for  games last sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 04, 2009, 01:43:21 PM
Weather is fine at the minute, though there has been a lot of rain since Sunday. If it stays dry from now to Sunday it should be ok, if not then it could well be Newcastle. I prefer Newcastle, better pitch and it can take a lot more rain. Though Newry has improved a lot since it was relaid.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 04, 2009, 02:09:27 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on November 04, 2009, 01:43:21 PM
Weather is fine at the minute, though there has been a lot of rain since Sunday. If it stays dry from now to Sunday it should be ok, if not then it could well be Newcastle. I prefer Newcastle, better pitch and it can take a lot more rain. Though Newry has improved a lot since it was relaid.

We played in Newcastle a fortnight ago and in Newry a week before that again...the two pitches don't compare Cuig.....Newry is far and away the best surface I have seen in years......ok Newcastle might handle more water but no pitch would have survived last weekends monsoon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 04, 2009, 02:11:48 PM
I have to admit I havent played on Newry since it was redone  ;) but in my day it was an awful pitch. I wasnt aware than Ballyholland had a Masters team  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 04, 2009, 02:20:09 PM
QuoteNo.1, do you fellas have a stag every weekend?

:D

Feels like it sometimes right nuff! 

This is the first one in years that hasn't clashed with a fixture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 04, 2009, 02:41:34 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on November 04, 2009, 02:11:48 PM
I have to admit I havent played on Newry since it was redone  ;) but in my day it was an awful pitch. I wasnt aware than Ballyholland had a Masters team  ;D
:D :D

Oh alright then...from the sideline it looks the part....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 04, 2009, 04:53:44 PM
I thought maybe you were back playing again. Ballyhollands secret weapon. Marty Clarke wouldnt get a sniff.

Is anyone going to this book launch in St Colmans this evening. I got tickets in the post yesterday but know nothing about it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on November 04, 2009, 10:56:30 PM
Quote from: No1 on November 04, 2009, 02:20:09 PM
QuoteNo.1, do you fellas have a stag every weekend?

:D

Feels like it sometimes right nuff! 

This is the first one in years that hasn't clashed with a fixture.

Whos stag is it Elvis? Chins by any chance?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 05, 2009, 08:52:43 AM
QuoteWhos stag is it Elvis? Chins by any chance?

That's the one Fat Hair.  You'll be missing a clinker, 50 going at the last count.  :o

I'll have a couple of ice cold bottles of Harp in your honour!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 05, 2009, 11:05:09 AM
Anyone out there in or around Newry and can give a weather update ahead of tonights game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 05, 2009, 12:37:12 PM
Dry and fine as we speak but twas a hoor of a night for rain......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 05, 2009, 01:16:52 PM
More rain on the way. Lot of rain overnight. Do we have a "Plan B"?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 05, 2009, 04:04:31 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on November 05, 2009, 01:16:52 PM
More rain on the way. Lot of rain overnight. Do we have a "Plan B"?

tonight game is put back an half hour to 8pm. not exactly Plan B
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 04:30:43 PM
Was that Owen Costelloe doing left half back for Queens yesterday the Bredagh Costelloe?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 05, 2009, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 04:30:43 PM
Was that Owen Costelloe doing left half back for Queens yesterday the Bredagh Costelloe?

Indeed it was Dundrumite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 05, 2009, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 04:30:43 PM
Was that Owen Costelloe doing left half back for Queens yesterday the Bredagh Costelloe?

Indeed it was Dundrumite

Did he play in either of the games against us Square ball? Know the name but can't quite put a face to him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 05, 2009, 05:28:07 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 05, 2009, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 04:30:43 PM
Was that Owen Costelloe doing left half back for Queens yesterday the Bredagh Costelloe?

Indeed it was Dundrumite

Did he play in either of the games against us Square ball? Know the name but can't quite put a face to him?

No I dont think so, he has been out injured most of the season unfortunately.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on November 05, 2009, 06:46:04 PM
Game still on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on November 05, 2009, 09:12:43 PM
Ford a point up= Coulter sent off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on November 05, 2009, 09:12:43 PM
Ford a point up= Coulter sent off

What for?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 05, 2009, 10:31:53 PM
Congratulations to Mayobridge on their one point league final success against Bryansford tonight. The first half was poor with the talking point being the harsh dismissal off Benny Coulter for a second yellow. Clearly Conor Maginn conned the p***k Con Reynolds into it by holding onto Bennys arm. Reynolds just had to flash a second yellow to ensure it was another 'Conn Reynolds show'. Why the county board give this man big games i dont know, Controvesy is never far away when Reynolds is about. The second half was much better and the bridge have to be applauded for their performance without their talasmanic captain Coulter, Brendan Grant who went off injured and another off their stars Michael Walsh who is recovering from an operation who didnt feature at all. Ryan Brady had a good second half and took his goal well while Ronan Sexton, Cathal McGee and Seamus Grant where outstanding. Bryansford will rue leaving this one behind especially with having a man extra for nearly 40 minutes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on November 06, 2009, 12:15:33 AM
If Benny was sent off, who lifted the cup?? :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 06, 2009, 08:53:16 AM
Noel Sexton
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on November 06, 2009, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 05, 2009, 05:28:07 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 05, 2009, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 04:30:43 PM
Was that Owen Costelloe doing left half back for Queens yesterday the Bredagh Costelloe?

Indeed it was Dundrumite

Owen Costello was the only non-county player in either squads in the Queens/Poly game apparently.

Maybe Mark Turley who failed to pick him for the Minors will take note for the u21's. Turley missed 2 Bredagh lads last year - Magee & McKegney who'd played in every squad from 15's - Magee had captained the u17's. I think if they'd been playing for Loughinisland ......... ;)

Well done to Owen in any case - it's a start!
Did he play in either of the games against us Square ball? Know the name but can't quite put a face to him?

No I dont think so, he has been out injured most of the season unfortunately.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on November 06, 2009, 09:03:55 AM
Noel and Ronan Sexton lifted the cup.  The Bridge showed a lot of character to win that one last night.  With Benny getting the line and Brendan Grant gone off injured things weren't looking too good but the lads worked their socks off right to the end. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 06, 2009, 10:18:41 AM
Quote from: lecale4 on November 06, 2009, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 05, 2009, 05:28:07 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 05, 2009, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 04:30:43 PM
Was that Owen Costelloe doing left half back for Queens yesterday the Bredagh Costelloe?

Indeed it was Dundrumite

Owen Costello was the only non-county player in either squads in the Queens/Poly game apparently.

Maybe Mark Turley who failed to pick him for the Minors will take note for the u21's. Turley missed 2 Bredagh lads last year - Magee & McKegney who'd played in every squad from 15's - Magee had captained the u17's. I think if they'd been playing for Loughinisland ......... ;)

Well done to Owen in any case - it's a start!
Did he play in either of the games against us Square ball? Know the name but can't quite put a face to him?

No I dont think so, he has been out injured most of the season unfortunately.

Great to see the lad start for QUB.
There is perhaps a recurrent issue with Bredagh and Carryduff under-representation in county squads.
IMHO it is too easy to blame management for non-selection-I find it hard to believe that any manager would not pick a strong player  just because he's from Bredagh.Bredagh may need to look closer to home perhaps if they want to secure reasonable representation-which all genuine Down Gaels wish to see.
There are a few reasons for under-representation, I think.
1.The 2 local schools Aquinas and Knock are not meeting their potential,depriving Bredagh/Duff of top notch colleges football exposure.
2.Not sure there is a strong enough affinity with the Down county team in the greater South Belfast area.
3.The strength of soccer,rugby and Hurling means some of your players are overstretched,playing 2 or 3 codes.
4.The geographical isolation of Bredagh/Duff-making it harder for Bredagh/Duff lads to make all trials and training sessions.
5.The fact that Bredagh/Duff are now division 3 teams,makes GAA less attractive to the best athletes in your area.

I also think that the ease with which your teams dominate underage competitions in East Down isn't a good environment to develop the type of tenacious,committed,single-minded players needed at county level.

The 4 North Down clubs(Cilldara and St.pauls as well) are great clubs and serve a large population,which has massive potential for Down football,and I feel these clubs need to get together and come up with ideas for mutual benefit.

Blaming successive county minor management for failing to pick players is missing the point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on November 06, 2009, 10:33:57 AM
Sean Armstrong(goalkeeper) came through in 2008 and earned his place on the down minor squad from Bredagh,but unfortunately a bad knee injury curtailed his participation as  the Ulster c'ship approached-by the way a good lad who knows his job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on November 06, 2009, 10:52:00 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 06, 2009, 10:18:41 AM
Quote from: lecale4 on November 06, 2009, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 05, 2009, 05:28:07 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 05, 2009, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 04:30:43 PM
Was that Owen Costelloe doing left half back for Queens yesterday the Bredagh Costelloe?

Indeed it was Dundrumite





Owen Costello was the only non-county player in either squads in the Queens/Poly game apparently.

Maybe Mark Turley who failed to pick him for the Minors will take note for the u21's. Turley missed 2 Bredagh lads last year - Magee & McKegney who'd played in every squad from 15's - Magee had captained the u17's. I think if they'd been playing for Loughinisland ......... ;)

Well done to Owen in any case - it's a start!
Did he play in either of the games against us Square ball? Know the name but can't quite put a face to him?

No I dont think so, he has been out injured most of the season unfortunately.

Great to see the lad start for QUB.
There is perhaps a recurrent issue with Bredagh and Carryduff under-representation in county squads.
IMHO it is too easy to blame management for non-selection-I find it hard to believe that any manager would not pick a strong player  just because he's from Bredagh.Bredagh may need to look closer to home perhaps if they want to secure reasonable representation-which all genuine Down Gaels wish to see.
There are a few reasons for under-representation, I think.
1.The 2 local schools Aquinas and Knock are not meeting their potential,depriving Bredagh/Duff of top notch colleges football exposure.
2.Not sure there is a strong enough affinity with the Down county team in the greater South Belfast area.
3.The strength of soccer,rugby and Hurling means some of your players are overstretched,playing 2 or 3 codes.
4.The geographical isolation of Bredagh/Duff-making it harder for Bredagh/Duff lads to make all trials and training sessions.
5.The fact that Bredagh/Duff are now division 3 teams,makes GAA less attractive to the best athletes in your area.

I also think that the ease with which your teams dominate underage competitions in East Down isn't a good environment to develop the type of tenacious,committed,single-minded players needed at county level.

The 4 North Down clubs(Cilldara and St.pauls as well) are great clubs and serve a large population,which has massive potential for Down football,and I feel these clubs need to get together and come up with ideas for mutual benefit.

Blaming successive county minor management for failing to pick players is missing the point.



You make some valid points 6th Sam.

Bredagh is working hard with both Aquinas & Knock and, with Carryduff, have been instrumental in pushing Gaelic games in both schools. Aquinas won the Bro Nolan Ulster (C) last year and were beaten in the AI final. They are playing McLarnon this year - as are Knock. Progress has been made from a very low position, but Aquinas in particular is a small co-ed school and will never have the numbers.   

The affinity with the county is a two-way thing and maybe a bit of help from the county wouldn't go amiss - the club(s) try their best, but the underage set-up/attitude in Down doesn't help. There is a growing GAA community in N Down. The clubs are working very hard but sometimes we don't get much in return.

The GAA are putting together a City strategy - maybe this will help - maybe Down will take it seriously.

Bredagh this year had a very youthful Senior team - the underage work will bear fruit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 06, 2009, 11:26:32 AM
They may have stopped the practice in recent years, but Carryduff used to send a dozen men to minor trials every year. While the top clubs in the county don't feel the need to waste everyone's time by sending inadequate talent along, Carryduff seemed to have a "everyone deserves a shot" mentality.

If I was a selector, I wouldn't be long tarnishing them all with the one brush.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on November 06, 2009, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 06, 2009, 10:18:41 AM
Quote from: lecale4 on November 06, 2009, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 05, 2009, 05:28:07 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 05, 2009, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 04:30:43 PM
Was that Owen Costelloe doing left half back for Queens yesterday the Bredagh Costelloe?

Indeed it was Dundrumite

Owen Costello was the only non-county player in either squads in the Queens/Poly game apparently.

Maybe Mark Turley who failed to pick him for the Minors will take note for the u21's. Turley missed 2 Bredagh lads last year - Magee & McKegney who'd played in every squad from 15's - Magee had captained the u17's. I think if they'd been playing for Loughinisland ......... ;)

Well done to Owen in any case - it's a start!
Did he play in either of the games against us Square ball? Know the name but can't quite put a face to him?

No I dont think so, he has been out injured most of the season unfortunately.

Great to see the lad start for QUB.
There is perhaps a recurrent issue with Bredagh and Carryduff under-representation in county squads.
IMHO it is too easy to blame management for non-selection-I find it hard to believe that any manager would not pick a strong player  just because he's from Bredagh.Bredagh may need to look closer to home perhaps if they want to secure reasonable representation-which all genuine Down Gaels wish to see.
There are a few reasons for under-representation, I think.
1.The 2 local schools Aquinas and Knock are not meeting their potential,depriving Bredagh/Duff of top notch colleges football exposure.
2.Not sure there is a strong enough affinity with the Down county team in the greater South Belfast area.
3.The strength of soccer,rugby and Hurling means some of your players are overstretched,playing 2 or 3 codes.
4.The geographical isolation of Bredagh/Duff-making it harder for Bredagh/Duff lads to make all trials and training sessions.
5.The fact that Bredagh/Duff are now division 3 teams,makes GAA less attractive to the best athletes in your area.

I also think that the ease with which your teams dominate underage competitions in East Down isn't a good environment to develop the type of tenacious,committed,single-minded players needed at county level.

The 4 North Down clubs(Cilldara and St.pauls as well) are great clubs and serve a large population,which has massive potential for Down football,and I feel these clubs need to get together and come up with ideas for mutual benefit.

Blaming successive county minor management for failing to pick players is missing the point.

Bredagh under 16 and minor are among the best in the county, pushing Kilcoo very hard at both grades, most of your arguments don't stand up.  If Mark Turley is not looking in North Down for underage players it says a lot more about Mark Turley than about Bredagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 06, 2009, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 06, 2009, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 06, 2009, 10:18:41 AM
Quote from: lecale4 on November 06, 2009, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 05, 2009, 05:28:07 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 05, 2009, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 04:30:43 PM
Was that Owen Costelloe doing left half back for Queens yesterday the Bredagh Costelloe?

Indeed it was Dundrumite

Owen Costello was the only non-county player in either squads in the Queens/Poly game apparently.

Maybe Mark Turley who failed to pick him for the Minors will take note for the u21's. Turley missed 2 Bredagh lads last year - Magee & McKegney who'd played in every squad from 15's - Magee had captained the u17's. I think if they'd been playing for Loughinisland ......... ;)

Well done to Owen in any case - it's a start!
Did he play in either of the games against us Square ball? Know the name but can't quite put a face to him?

No I dont think so, he has been out injured most of the season unfortunately.

Great to see the lad start for QUB.
There is perhaps a recurrent issue with Bredagh and Carryduff under-representation in county squads.
IMHO it is too easy to blame management for non-selection-I find it hard to believe that any manager would not pick a strong player  just because he's from Bredagh.Bredagh may need to look closer to home perhaps if they want to secure reasonable representation-which all genuine Down Gaels wish to see.
There are a few reasons for under-representation, I think.
1.The 2 local schools Aquinas and Knock are not meeting their potential,depriving Bredagh/Duff of top notch colleges football exposure.
2.Not sure there is a strong enough affinity with the Down county team in the greater South Belfast area.
3.The strength of soccer,rugby and Hurling means some of your players are overstretched,playing 2 or 3 codes.
4.The geographical isolation of Bredagh/Duff-making it harder for Bredagh/Duff lads to make all trials and training sessions.
5.The fact that Bredagh/Duff are now division 3 teams,makes GAA less attractive to the best athletes in your area.

I also think that the ease with which your teams dominate underage competitions in East Down isn't a good environment to develop the type of tenacious,committed,single-minded players needed at county level.

The 4 North Down clubs(Cilldara and St.pauls as well) are great clubs and serve a large population,which has massive potential for Down football,and I feel these clubs need to get together and come up with ideas for mutual benefit.

Blaming successive county minor management for failing to pick players is missing the point.

Bredagh under 16 and minor are among the best in the county, pushing Kilcoo very hard at both grades, most of your arguments don't stand up.  If Mark Turley is not looking in North Down for underage players it says a lot more about Mark Turley than about Bredagh.

Mark Turley I'm sure doesn't look on  North Down any different than other parts of the county-to suggest a manager would weaken his hand by not picking players from certain parts of the county,doesn't make any sense to me.
I agree Bredagh are among the best at underage-but this has been the case for many years,and they remain in Div 3.Carryduff arguably have been even  stronger at underage ,and yet will be Div 3 in 2010 also.
These suggestions are not about getting the boot into Bredagh.I have many friends in Bredagh and Carryduff and have enormous respect for both clubs,and I think it would serve the county well to have more Belfast representation on all county squads.However the notion that somebody is scheming to keep Bredagh out of county football appears paranoid.Regarding my points not standing up,they are all points that I have heard from Bredagh and Carryduff members.

Regarding county board help.I have a real difficulty if the county board starts to give additional help to certain clubs.My own club has limited resources,and we get very little help from the county board-and don't expect it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 06, 2009, 01:36:24 PM
I see The Irish News have An Ríocht down as promoted in their regualr Friday league table round up :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 06, 2009, 01:37:49 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 06, 2009, 01:36:24 PM
I see The Irish News have An Ríocht down as promoted in their regualr Friday league table round up :-\

Did you not read Matts report in last Fridays Irish News? Cracking game. Marty Clarke got MOTM.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 06, 2009, 02:02:56 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 06, 2009, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 06, 2009, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 06, 2009, 10:18:41 AM
Quote from: lecale4 on November 06, 2009, 09:03:04 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 05, 2009, 05:28:07 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 05, 2009, 05:14:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2009, 04:30:43 PM
Was that Owen Costelloe doing left half back for Queens yesterday the Bredagh Costelloe?

Indeed it was Dundrumite

Owen Costello was the only non-county player in either squads in the Queens/Poly game apparently.

Maybe Mark Turley who failed to pick him for the Minors will take note for the u21's. Turley missed 2 Bredagh lads last year - Magee & McKegney who'd played in every squad from 15's - Magee had captained the u17's. I think if they'd been playing for Loughinisland ......... ;)

Well done to Owen in any case - it's a start!
Did he play in either of the games against us Square ball? Know the name but can't quite put a face to him?

No I dont think so, he has been out injured most of the season unfortunately.

Great to see the lad start for QUB.
There is perhaps a recurrent issue with Bredagh and Carryduff under-representation in county squads.
IMHO it is too easy to blame management for non-selection-I find it hard to believe that any manager would not pick a strong player  just because he's from Bredagh.Bredagh may need to look closer to home perhaps if they want to secure reasonable representation-which all genuine Down Gaels wish to see.
There are a few reasons for under-representation, I think.
1.The 2 local schools Aquinas and Knock are not meeting their potential,depriving Bredagh/Duff of top notch colleges football exposure.
2.Not sure there is a strong enough affinity with the Down county team in the greater South Belfast area.
3.The strength of soccer,rugby and Hurling means some of your players are overstretched,playing 2 or 3 codes.
4.The geographical isolation of Bredagh/Duff-making it harder for Bredagh/Duff lads to make all trials and training sessions.
5.The fact that Bredagh/Duff are now division 3 teams,makes GAA less attractive to the best athletes in your area.

I also think that the ease with which your teams dominate underage competitions in East Down isn't a good environment to develop the type of tenacious,committed,single-minded players needed at county level.

The 4 North Down clubs(Cilldara and St.pauls as well) are great clubs and serve a large population,which has massive potential for Down football,and I feel these clubs need to get together and come up with ideas for mutual benefit.

Blaming successive county minor management for failing to pick players is missing the point.

Bredagh under 16 and minor are among the best in the county, pushing Kilcoo very hard at both grades, most of your arguments don't stand up.  If Mark Turley is not looking in North Down for underage players it says a lot more about Mark Turley than about Bredagh.

Mark Turley I'm sure doesn't look on  North Down any different than other parts of the county-to suggest a manager would weaken his hand by not picking players from certain parts of the county,doesn't make any sense to me.
I agree Bredagh are among the best at underage-but this has been the case for many years,and they remain in Div 3.Carryduff arguably have been even  stronger at underage ,and yet will be Div 3 in 2010 also.
These suggestions are not about getting the boot into Bredagh.I have many friends in Bredagh and Carryduff and have enormous respect for both clubs,and I think it would serve the county well to have more Belfast representation on all county squads.However the notion that somebody is scheming to keep Bredagh out of county football appears paranoid.Regards my points not standing up,they are all points that I have heard from Bredagh and Carryduff members.

Regarding county board help.I have a real difficulty if the county board starts to give additional help to certain clubs.My own club has limited resources,and we get very little help from the county board-and don't expect it.

This is a point I have brought up before and baffles me how such clubs can be so strong at underage level for the past number of years(Bredagh for a lesser period of time admittedly) yet still be lingering around the third tier of Down football at senior level?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 06, 2009, 02:23:41 PM
Regarding GAA development in North Down,a few things would help:
1.a centre of excellence for all county teams training,and available for schools matches,based centrally ( in castlewellan area)
2.County board work in liaison with the 4 North Down clubs to develop a floodlit facility(in Carryduff,as only central available location) accessible to all North Down clubs.If this could be upgraded to provide a stand for example,it should be able to host county matches e.g ladies,minors,u21s,mckenna cup.
3.I'd be interested on Bredagh/Duff views on this:Up to u14 level Carryduff and Bredagh each consider entering 2 equal teams ,as opposed to A and B sides,to give all their eligible players meaningful football-as apparently some of their players lose interest if relegated to a "B" squad,while those in the "A" squad tend to easily dominate most teams in East Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 06, 2009, 02:28:57 PM
Quote from: amallon on November 06, 2009, 09:03:55 AM
Noel and Ronan Sexton lifted the cup.  The Bridge showed a lot of character to win that one last night.  With Benny getting the line and Brendan Grant gone off injured things weren't looking too good but the lads worked their socks off right to the end.

Fair play - we will never get a better chance in any final and hadnt the balls to take it. You have to question our tactics and decisions made along the line.
How did we expect young Bonny starting his first game to mark Benny Coulter?
Referee ruined it for both teams and never give the game a chance to take off at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 06, 2009, 03:41:34 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on November 06, 2009, 01:37:49 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 06, 2009, 01:36:24 PM
I see The Irish News have An Ríocht down as promoted in their regualr Friday league table round up :-\

Did you not read Matts report in last Fridays Irish News? Cracking game. Marty Clarke got MOTM.


How did I play??? ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 06, 2009, 03:58:54 PM
I am the happiest man in Africa... ;D I was getting bad vides at half time but the boys showed tremedous character in grind out that victory... This is a massive win for us... Roll on 2010..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on November 06, 2009, 04:06:18 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 06, 2009, 02:23:41 PM
Regarding GAA development in North Down,a few things would help:
1.a centre of excellence for all county teams training,and available for schools matches,based centrally ( in castlewellan area)
2.County board work in liaison with the 4 North Down clubs to develop a floodlit facility(in Carryduff,as only central available location) accessible to all North Down clubs.If this could be upgraded to provide a stand for example,it should be able to host county matches e.g ladies,minors,u21s,mckenna cup.
3.I'd be interested on Bredagh/Duff views on this:Up to u14 level Carryduff and Bredagh each consider entering 2 equal teams ,as opposed to A and B sides,to give all their eligible players meaningful football-as apparently some of their players lose interest if relegated to a "B" squad,while those in the "A" squad tend to easily dominate most teams in East Down.

I must say I am fascinated to read about this domination of East Down at juvenile level by Carryduff and Bredagh. Having been involved with underage football  for many years I would consider that no team bar Kilcoo of late have been dominant, and would not take away from the two Belfast clubs who are up there with the best but to suggest domination is taking things a bit far
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 06, 2009, 06:26:16 PM
I welcome 6th Sam's contribution and his points are fair about the lack of Bredagh/Carryduff representation on county squads.Hope that Owen Costello holds his place on the Queens team and acts as a role model for young Down players from his part of county Down.
The only game that the Down minor management came to see involving Bredagh this year was at our game in Bryansford (who had 3 players in the squad- all excellent players).Bredagh won by 10 points yet the management team did not even speak to the Bredagh players afterwards. Magee and Mc Kegney ( and some others)would have given a lot more than some players I saw against Mayo in a pretty poor performance.However, we all have a responsibility to raise the game in every part of Down and need help from County Managers and Coaches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 06, 2009, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on November 06, 2009, 04:06:18 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 06, 2009, 02:23:41 PM
Regarding GAA development in North Down,a few things would help:
1.a centre of excellence for all county teams training,and available for schools matches,based centrally ( in castlewellan area)
2.County board work in liaison with the 4 North Down clubs to develop a floodlit facility(in Carryduff,as only central available location) accessible to all North Down clubs.If this could be upgraded to provide a stand for example,it should be able to host county matches e.g ladies,minors,u21s,mckenna cup.
3.I'd be interested on Bredagh/Duff views on this:Up to u14 level Carryduff and Bredagh each consider entering 2 equal teams ,as opposed to A and B sides,to give all their eligible players meaningful football-as apparently some of their players lose interest if relegated to a "B" squad,while those in the "A" squad tend to easily dominate most teams in East Down.

I must say I am fascinated to read about this domination of East Down at juvenile level by Carryduff and Bredagh. Having been involved with underage football  for many years I would consider that no team bar Kilcoo of late have been dominant, and would not take away from the two Belfast clubs who are up there with the best but to suggest domination is taking things a bit far

Point taken,domination is incorrect,but they have been consistently strong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: waitingforsam on November 06, 2009, 07:02:08 PM
anyone able to pass on latest scores from the matches at the Marshes tonight??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on November 06, 2009, 07:32:28 PM
good win last night!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 06, 2009, 10:26:31 PM
Tullylish beat Drumgath by 6 I think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 06, 2009, 10:34:43 PM
Drumgath 0.9 Tullylish 1.14
Liatriom 2.12 Saval 1.10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 06, 2009, 10:41:17 PM
Saval 1-11 Liatroim 2-12

Liam Doyle and Aidan OPrey where outstanding for the fontenoys in a game they never looked like loosing. Saval where abysmal until the introduction off Paul Faloon who brought them back into it. Declan Morgans tactics and game plan are hard to understand, i dont think the saval players even understand. Liatroim look most likely to survive now and they have the experiences on an annual basis on hand to guide them to safety.

Was very impressed with the division 3 final. The two sides went hell for leather and in the end Tullylish showed why they topped the table all year. Actually the division 3 game was much better in terms off quality and entertainment than the division one encounter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on November 07, 2009, 12:26:29 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 06, 2009, 10:41:17 PM
Saval 1-11 Liatroim 2-12

Liam Doyle and Aidan OPrey where outstanding for the fontenoys in a game they never looked like loosing. Saval where abysmal until the introduction off Paul Faloon who brought them back into it. Declan Morgans tactics and game plan are hard to understand, i dont think the saval players even understand. Liatroim look most likely to survive now and they have the experiences on an annual basis on hand to guide them to safety.

Was very impressed with the division 3 final. The two sides went hell for leather and in the end Tullylish showed why they topped the table all year. Actually the division 3 game was much better in terms off quality and entertainment than the division one encounter.

I thought the Div 1 game was good? By all accounts it was a pretty tense affair no?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 07, 2009, 10:13:38 AM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on November 07, 2009, 12:26:29 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 06, 2009, 10:41:17 PM
Saval 1-11 Liatroim 2-12

Liam Doyle and Aidan OPrey where outstanding for the fontenoys in a game they never looked like loosing. Saval where abysmal until the introduction off Paul Faloon who brought them back into it. Declan Morgans tactics and game plan are hard to understand, i dont think the saval players even understand. Liatroim look most likely to survive now and they have the experiences on an annual basis on hand to guide them to safety.

Was very impressed with the division 3 final. The two sides went hell for leather and in the end Tullylish showed why they topped the table all year. Actually the division 3 game was much better in terms off quality and entertainment than the division one encounter.

I thought the Div 1 game was good? By all accounts it was a pretty tense affair no?

It was a tence opening ten minutes when it was score for score but when OPrey hit the net twice before half time there only ever looked to be one winner and as a contest Saval where always playing catch up. They where 8 points behind for a large part of the game until young Faloon gave Saval some hope with 1-1. Even the atmosphere in the stand was much greater for Tullylish v Drumgath. Saval will have big regrets off not finishing the game out the first day when they where the superior team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 07, 2009, 12:16:03 PM
There is no big secret about the low representation of Bredagh and Carryduff players on Down underage sides. The clubs are geographically separated from the rest of the county, and the main schools in their area, Knock and Aquinas, tend to have a low GAA profile. County selectors literally need to go out of their way to check on emerging players, and the evidence is that they have often  not made the effort.

Bredagh for example made the all county minor semi last year,  their u16s were in the ED final and the all county league semi this year, and they have been generally strong at most underage grades over recent seasons. However, apart from the keeper Sean Armstrong, who then missed out through injury, I'm fairly sure that Bredagh have not had anyone in the Down minor squad over the last 12 years.

It's not fair to focus too closely on individual young players, but, briefly, Owen Costello was always facing a tight call for the minor squad because of his size. He has since filled out, and got over a long-term injury, and he has the ability to make an impact with QUB. There will be something badly wrong if his brother, Emmet, is not involved with Down minors in 2010, and it is generally reckoned that Magee and McKegney were poorly treated last summer. If Down really had 12 defenders better than those two guys, we would have won an AI.

Bredagh are also strong at underage hurling, which can put pressure on dual players, and suffer from a lack of basic facilities, but the club will make a breakthrough sooner or later.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on November 07, 2009, 02:19:24 PM
wats the craic with Div1 relegation now,  is that saval down??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on November 07, 2009, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on November 07, 2009, 02:19:24 PM
wats the craic with Div1 relegation now,  is that saval down??

No they are not down. We play Saval next and if they lose that they are down. If we lose against Saval we have to beat Liatriom to force a three way tie and more games would then be required.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cabra_Harps32 on November 07, 2009, 08:25:46 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 02, 2009, 01:54:39 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 02, 2009, 01:46:44 PM
Whilst on the topic of Drumgath, what ever happened to a young fella Downey? Mark I think his name is? Seen him play an u 16 final against us a couple of years ago, looked a class act. Aint heard of him playing at senior level.

he threw the head up after an argument and quit. hot tempered lad, pity because he has a lot of potential.

Thats not what happened! Go ask Mark Downey himself & dont fool yourself by believing anybody from Drumgath when they talk on this matter, they have a million different explanations but the truth..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 08, 2009, 12:54:01 PM
Quote from: Cabra_Harps32 on November 07, 2009, 08:25:46 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 02, 2009, 01:54:39 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 02, 2009, 01:46:44 PM
Whilst on the topic of Drumgath, what ever happened to a young fella Downey? Mark I think his name is? Seen him play an u 16 final against us a couple of years ago, looked a class act. Aint heard of him playing at senior level.

he threw the head up after an argument and quit. hot tempered lad, pity because he has a lot of potential.

Thats not what happened! Go ask Mark Downey himself & dont fool yourself by believing anybody from Drumgath when they talk on this matter, they have a million different explanations but the truth..

enlighten us then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on November 08, 2009, 01:40:36 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 07, 2009, 10:13:38 AM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on November 07, 2009, 12:26:29 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 06, 2009, 10:41:17 PM
Saval 1-11 Liatroim 2-12

Liam Doyle and Aidan OPrey where outstanding for the fontenoys in a game they never looked like loosing. Saval where abysmal until the introduction off Paul Faloon who brought them back into it. Declan Morgans tactics and game plan are hard to understand, i dont think the saval players even understand. Liatroim look most likely to survive now and they have the experiences on an annual basis on hand to guide them to safety.

Was very impressed with the division 3 final. The two sides went hell for leather and in the end Tullylish showed why they topped the table all year. Actually the division 3 game was much better in terms off quality and entertainment than the division one encounter.

I thought the Div 1 game was good? By all accounts it was a pretty tense affair no?

It was a tence opening ten minutes when it was score for score but when OPrey hit the net twice before half time there only ever looked to be one winner and as a contest Saval where always playing catch up. They where 8 points behind for a large part of the game until young Faloon gave Saval some hope with 1-1. Even the atmosphere in the stand was much greater for Tullylish v Drumgath. Saval will have big regrets off not finishing the game out the first day when they where the superior team.

Thanks. Hard to get a decent match report sometimes, but yourself and amallon seem to have it down to a T!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on November 08, 2009, 05:33:11 PM
What a win for Kilcoo Today in the Ulster SFC. Kilcoo showed real strength and grit in todays game knocking out one off the favourites. You have done your club and county proud.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on November 08, 2009, 06:38:43 PM
Hurrah for Kilcoo. Finish the job and bring back the Ulster. Am rooting for ye.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on November 08, 2009, 06:51:06 PM
how did the div 2 relegation game go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 08, 2009, 07:15:55 PM
Well done Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 08, 2009, 07:17:45 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on November 08, 2009, 06:51:06 PM
how did the div 2 relegation game go?

Shamrocks won by 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on November 08, 2009, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on November 08, 2009, 07:17:45 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on November 08, 2009, 06:51:06 PM
how did the div 2 relegation game go?

Shamrocks won by 2.


Is that Glassdrumman relegated  now or is it round robbin system? Cant help feeling Glassdrumman are suffering now from their "Celebrity Bainisteoir" activities early in the season and fatique
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on November 08, 2009, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on November 07, 2009, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on November 07, 2009, 02:19:24 PM
wats the craic with Div1 relegation now,  is that saval down??

No they are not down. We play Saval next and if they lose that they are down. If we lose against Saval we have to beat Liatriom to force a three way tie and more games would then be required.

Is there points difference in the playoff's this year or if all teams finish with 1 win do they play again?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 08, 2009, 08:33:15 PM
QuoteCant help feeling Glassdrumman are suffering now from their "Celebrity Bainisteoir" activities early in the season and fatique
Or maybe, just like in every other season they've been there, they found Division II a little bit too tough?


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on November 08, 2009, 09:29:26 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 07, 2009, 12:16:03 PM
There is no big secret about the low representation of Bredagh and Carryduff players on Down underage sides. The clubs are geographically separated from the rest of the county, and the main schools in their area, Knock and Aquinas, tend to have a low GAA profile. County selectors literally need to go out of their way to check on emerging players, and the evidence is that they have often  not made the effort.

Bredagh for example made the all county minor semi last year,  their u16s were in the ED final and the all county league semi this year, and they have been generally strong at most underage grades over recent seasons. However, apart from the keeper Sean Armstrong, who then missed out through injury, I'm fairly sure that Bredagh have not had anyone in the Down minor squad over the last 12 years.

It's not fair to focus too closely on individual young players, but, briefly, Owen Costello was always facing a tight call for the minor squad because of his size. He has since filled out, and got over a long-term injury, and he has the ability to make an impact with QUB. There will be something badly wrong if his brother, Emmet, is not involved with Down minors in 2010, and it is generally reckoned that Magee and McKegney were poorly treated last summer. If Down really had 12 defenders better than those two guys, we would have won an AI.

Bredagh are also strong at underage hurling, which can put pressure on dual players, and suffer from a lack of basic facilities, but the club will make a breakthrough sooner or later.

Thank you for your impartial assessment - spot on from someone who obviously knows what he's talking about and has seen the teams/players involved.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on November 08, 2009, 09:38:41 PM
Well done Kilcoo for what was an immense display today against a big strong team. Best on the day included Niall Morgan and young choc in defense. In attack very good games from Anthony and Paul Devlin. Midfield were excellent who were up against 2 man mountains from Donegal. As for my fellow Armagh man Mr McCorry is doing a great job for Kilcoo. From all accounts there should have no fears for the Loup next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on November 08, 2009, 09:45:22 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 08, 2009, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on November 07, 2009, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on November 07, 2009, 02:19:24 PM
wats the craic with Div1 relegation now,  is that saval down??

No they are not down. We play Saval next and if they lose that they are down. If we lose against Saval we have to beat Liatriom to force a three way tie and more games would then be required.

Is there points difference in the playoff's this year or if all teams finish with 1 win do they play again?

From the bye laws I think points difference would come into play.

(d) Where teams finish on equal points, finishing position shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified:
(i) Where two Teams only are involved - the outcome of the meetings of the two Teams in the previous games in the Competition i.e. the combined scores of he two games;
(ii) Scoring Difference (Subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For);
(iii) Highest Total Score For;
(iv) Scoring Average (Divide total Scores Against into total Scores For).

In the event of any of the Play-off games for promotion or relegation ending in a draw, extra time of ten minutes each way will be played.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on November 09, 2009, 12:01:27 AM
hard luck to Ballymartin, thought they had a good case for a penalty in the first half  and a few missedchances early in the second half,well done to Down county champions Kilcoo and the whole county are behind you in the semi-final next week-COME ON KILCOO!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 09, 2009, 12:35:57 AM
Another great day for us. Quite blocked as i am writing but very happy. The boys gave a great display off workrate and endeavor. Stephen Kane had a great game in goals while the 3 Nials, Morgan, Brannigan and McEvoy where superb at the back. Our midfield pairing off McClean and Greenan where outstandig while Barry Kane, Anthony Devlin and Paul Devlin caught the eye up front. Its great winning with our star forward Conor Laverty struggling with a back injury and choc suspended. Bring on the Loup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 09, 2009, 01:04:44 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 09, 2009, 12:35:57 AM
Another great day for us. Quite blocked as i am writing but very happy. The boys gave a great display off workrate and endeavor. Stephen Kane had a great game in goals while the 3 Nials, Morgan, Brannigan and McEvoy where superb at the back. Our midfield pairing off McClean and Greenan where outstandig while Barry Kane, Anthony Devlin and Paul Devlin caught the eye up front. Its great winning with our star forward Conor Laverty struggling with a back injury and choc suspended. Bring on the Loup.

That not the sort of stuff you want to be keeping to yourself?By the sounds of Brolly yer man Brennan would be the wrong man to be knowing that material. This thing drunk can be as bad as drunk texting. :o Anyway thats neither here nor there.
Agree with all your other points, Kilcoo were very impressive and well worth their win. Loup should be an inspiration to Kilcoo, with their only appearance in Ulster seeing them claim the title. Looking forward to next Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 09, 2009, 01:53:58 PM
lads surely this is wrong? can anyone clarify?

take div2 - shamrocks have now beaten glassd - that means glassd are relegated

shamrocks now play d cross in 1 off game to decide who stays up and who goes to div3 with carryduff and glassd

am i way off the mark? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 09, 2009, 02:07:51 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 09, 2009, 01:53:58 PM
lads surely this is wrong? can anyone clarify?

take div2 - shamrocks have now beaten glassd - that means glassd are relegated

shamrocks now play d cross in 1 off game to decide who stays up and who goes to div3 with carryduff and glassd

am i way off the mark? ???


Darragh Cross  Glasdrumman  Ballykinlar 15/11/2009 14:00 Peter Brannigan Relegation Play Off

See Maiden1's post above
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on November 09, 2009, 02:30:53 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 09, 2009, 01:53:58 PM
lads surely this is wrong? can anyone clarify?

take div2 - shamrocks have now beaten glassd - that means glassd are relegated

shamrocks now play d cross in 1 off game to decide who stays up and who goes to div3 with carryduff and glassd

am i way off the mark? ???


if glassdrumman beat darragh on sunday then they will hav to hope darragh beat shamrocks the following week so all 3 teams will have 1 win each

if darragh win on sunday glassdrumman go down and the darragh shamrocks game will be a 1 off match to stay up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on November 09, 2009, 03:59:34 PM
Quote from: maldini on November 09, 2009, 02:30:53 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 09, 2009, 01:53:58 PM
lads surely this is wrong? can anyone clarify?

take div2 - shamrocks have now beaten glassd - that means glassd are relegated

shamrocks now play d cross in 1 off game to decide who stays up and who goes to div3 with carryduff and glassd

am i way off the mark? ???


if glassdrumman beat darragh on sunday then they will hav to hope darragh beat shamrocks the following week so all 3 teams will have 1 win each

if darragh win on sunday glassdrumman go down and the darragh shamrocks game will be a 1 off match to stay up

I don't think it is as simple as that.  If all 3 teams win 1 then scoring differences will come into it.

By my reckoning Teccoughaught are relegated from 3 even though they won 1 and lost 1 as there score difference is -4, irrespective of how the last match finishes up between Drumaness and St Paul's.  If Drumaess lose by less than 4 they will stay up.  If St Paul's win by 4 or more they will stay up.

As it stands

                      Played     Points   Score Difference
Drumaness          1             2           +5
Teccougnaught   2             2           - 4
St Paul's             1             0           - 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 09, 2009, 08:54:59 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 09, 2009, 03:59:34 PM
Quote from: maldini on November 09, 2009, 02:30:53 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 09, 2009, 01:53:58 PM
lads surely this is wrong? can anyone clarify?

take div2 - shamrocks have now beaten glassd - that means glassd are relegated

shamrocks now play d cross in 1 off game to decide who stays up and who goes to div3 with carryduff and glassd

am i way off the mark? ???


if glassdrumman beat darragh on sunday then they will hav to hope darragh beat shamrocks the following week so all 3 teams will have 1 win each

if darragh win on sunday glassdrumman go down and the darragh shamrocks game will be a 1 off match to stay up

I don't think it is as simple as that.  If all 3 teams win 1 then scoring differences will come into it.

By my reckoning Teccoughaught are relegated from 3 even though they won 1 and lost 1 as there score difference is -4, irrespective of how the last match finishes up between Drumaness and St Paul's.  If Drumaess lose by less than 4 they will stay up.  If St Paul's win by 4 or more they will stay up.

As it stands

                      Played     Points   Score Difference
Drumaness          1             2           +5
Teccougnaught   2             2           - 4
St Paul's             1             0           - 1

To my knowledge,score difference in playoffs is irrelevant.This used to be the case but was changed maybe 5 years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on November 09, 2009, 09:08:45 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 09, 2009, 08:54:59 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on November 09, 2009, 03:59:34 PM
Quote from: maldini on November 09, 2009, 02:30:53 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 09, 2009, 01:53:58 PM
lads surely this is wrong? can anyone clarify?

take div2 - shamrocks have now beaten glassd - that means glassd are relegated

shamrocks now play d cross in 1 off game to decide who stays up and who goes to div3 with carryduff and glassd

am i way off the mark? ???


if glassdrumman beat darragh on sunday then they will hav to hope darragh beat shamrocks the following week so all 3 teams will have 1 win each

if darragh win on sunday glassdrumman go down and the darragh shamrocks game will be a 1 off match to stay up

I don't think it is as simple as that.  If all 3 teams win 1 then scoring differences will come into it.

By my reckoning Teccoughaught are relegated from 3 even though they won 1 and lost 1 as there score difference is -4, irrespective of how the last match finishes up between Drumaness and St Paul's.  If Drumaess lose by less than 4 they will stay up.  If St Paul's win by 4 or more they will stay up.

As it stands

                      Played     Points   Score Difference
Drumaness          1             2           +5
Teccougnaught   2             2           - 4
St Paul's             1             0           - 1

To my knowledge,score difference in playoffs is irrelevant.This used to be the case but was changed maybe 5 years ago.

It wasn't changed in division 3 last year when Tecconaught stayed up on points difference.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on November 09, 2009, 10:14:41 PM

To my knowledge,score difference in playoffs is irrelevant.This used to be the case but was changed maybe 5 years ago.
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Sorry 6th Sam.  Newry Bosco were relegated on points difference last year.  3 way playoffs DO NOT WORK!! 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 10, 2009, 09:50:33 PM
QuoteConor Laverty struggling with a back injury

I'd say he's struggling with one of the worst beards I've ever seen!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 10, 2009, 10:12:32 PM
Any word on a starting date for the East Down U-13 League? It was supposed to start this Sunday I think.

I hope im proved wrong but I hope to f**k that they have graded this year's competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 10, 2009, 11:15:46 PM
How did that minor league final go tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kb on November 11, 2009, 02:34:26 PM
Just wondering has anyone heard of any managerial exits in any of the leagues as the season draws to a close?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on November 11, 2009, 03:41:40 PM
Burren beat Kilcoo by 4 points last night in the All-County Minor Football League Final last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 11, 2009, 07:56:49 PM
Quote from: kb on November 11, 2009, 02:34:26 PM
Just wondering has anyone heard of any managerial exits in any of the leagues as the season draws to a close?

I hear Bredagh are unsure whether or not they will keep Kevin Blaney on.

;) ;)  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on November 11, 2009, 09:54:14 PM
St.Pauls & Tecconaught down.

Drumaness won by 6 or 7.

Some great frees from Donal Kennedy got Drumaness through. Late goal put Stpauls 1-3 to 7 up at HT.

StPauls didnt score into the wind 2nd half and drumaness pulled away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 11, 2009, 10:05:23 PM
Will tomorrow nights game between Ballyholland and An Riocht go ahead with the amount of rain we are having ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on November 11, 2009, 10:09:55 PM
Pitch was grand tonight. Bit rough towards the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFan2010 on November 11, 2009, 10:53:48 PM
What was on in Newry tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on November 12, 2009, 09:48:29 AM
Quote from: down6061689194 on November 11, 2009, 09:54:14 PM
St.Pauls & Tecconaught down.

Drumaness won by 6 or 7.

Some great frees from Donal Kennedy got Drumaness through. Late goal put Stpauls 1-3 to 7 up at HT.

StPauls didnt score into the wind 2nd half and drumaness pulled away.

what can i say, but bitterly disappointed by the display last night.  :'(
gave away too many frees in scorable positions, though the Drumaness free taker did well in terribly windy conditions, and we could not take our own opportunities when we got them.
hopefully we can do what Drumaness did a few years ago, and come back up to Div 3 after a 100% record season in Div 4!!!

edit: just checked your numbers there down6061689194, by that score, it looks like you were 1 point up at half time!!  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 12, 2009, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: stpauls on November 12, 2009, 09:48:29 AM
Quote from: down6061689194 on November 11, 2009, 09:54:14 PM
St.Pauls & Tecconaught down.

Drumaness won by 6 or 7.

Some great frees from Donal Kennedy got Drumaness through. Late goal put Stpauls 1-3 to 7 up at HT.

StPauls didnt score into the wind 2nd half and drumaness pulled away.

what can i say, but bitterly disappointed by the display last night.  :'(
gave away too many frees in scorable positions, though the Drumaness free taker did well in terribly windy conditions, and we could not take our own opportunities when we got them.
hopefully we can do what Drumaness did a few years ago, and come back up to Div 3 after a 100% record season in Div 4!!!

edit: just checked your numbers there down6061689194, by that score, it looks like you were 1 point up at half time!!  :P
Fair play to Drumaness,had an impressive past few weeks,when it counted.Disappointed for yourselves and teconnaught as both teams proved well capable of matching div 3 teams.I don't think Teconnaught were beaten by any more than a handful of points all year,played some great football,and probably could have won JFC,if full strength.Division 4 will not be easy,with 3 good teams going down and only 1 up.
St.Paul's are stronger than ever at underage,especially next year's u16 team,so your future looks good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on November 12, 2009, 10:58:04 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 12, 2009, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: stpauls on November 12, 2009, 09:48:29 AM
Quote from: down6061689194 on November 11, 2009, 09:54:14 PM
St.Pauls & Tecconaught down.

Drumaness won by 6 or 7.

Some great frees from Donal Kennedy got Drumaness through. Late goal put Stpauls 1-3 to 7 up at HT.

StPauls didnt score into the wind 2nd half and drumaness pulled away.

what can i say, but bitterly disappointed by the display last night.  :'(
gave away too many frees in scorable positions, though the Drumaness free taker did well in terribly windy conditions, and we could not take our own opportunities when we got them.
hopefully we can do what Drumaness did a few years ago, and come back up to Div 3 after a 100% record season in Div 4!!!

edit: just checked your numbers there down6061689194, by that score, it looks like you were 1 point up at half time!!  :P
Fair play to Drumaness,had an impressive past few weeks,when it counted.Disappointed for yourselves and teconnaught as both teams proved well capable of matching div 3 teams.I don't think Teconnaught were beaten by any more than a handful of points all year,played some great football,and probably could have won JFC,if full strength.Division 4 will not be easy,with 3 good teams going down and only 1 up.
St.Paul's are stronger than ever at underage,especially next year's u16 team,so your future looks good.

our future does look good, but unfortunately it could be a while before it starts to show. looks like we will have a couple of retirements this year, with one confirmed last night already, and with no minor or u-21 teams in the last few years, it will be a while before the new prospects make the step up to senior level.

it will be difficult to get back up next year, with only one coming back up, but all we can do is play the games and hope for a good year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 12, 2009, 11:39:40 AM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on November 11, 2009, 10:05:23 PM
Will tomorrow nights game between Ballyholland and An Riocht go ahead with the amount of rain we are having ?

As of 5 minutes ago according to a county board rep the game is still on and the pitch is holding up well....plus it gives it to clear up this afternoon....bring it on 8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 12, 2009, 11:54:20 AM
Heavy rain here in Dundalk at the minute, more on the way apparently. As Long as I get my usual seat at the back of the stand I wont worry, but I wouldn't fancy playing in that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 12, 2009, 03:48:54 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 11, 2009, 07:56:49 PM
Quote from: kb on November 11, 2009, 02:34:26 PM
Just wondering has anyone heard of any managerial exits in any of the leagues as the season draws to a close?

I hear Bredagh are unsure whether or not they will keep Kevin Blaney on.

;) ;)  ;)

Was chattin to Kevin there and he tells me
A. He told Paul to stick the Bredagh job as he didn't give him an interview for the Down post.
B. He is not the kb posting here but suspects it's one of his mates taking the piss.

Disclaimer

One of the above statements is untrue, which one you decide.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 12, 2009, 05:09:48 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 11, 2009, 07:56:49 PM
Quote from: kb on November 11, 2009, 02:34:26 PM
Just wondering has anyone heard of any managerial exits in any of the leagues as the season draws to a close?

I hear Bredagh are unsure whether or not they will keep Kevin Blaney on.

;) ;)  ;)

  :D news to me that one! some people being mischievous and the season is just over!  and option B. what option you picking Passedit?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Dun 94 on November 12, 2009, 07:08:37 PM
Any word about tonight's game on/off ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 12, 2009, 07:28:34 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 12, 2009, 05:09:48 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 11, 2009, 07:56:49 PM
Quote from: kb on November 11, 2009, 02:34:26 PM
Just wondering has anyone heard of any managerial exits in any of the leagues as the season draws to a close?

I hear Bredagh are unsure whether or not they will keep Kevin Blaney on.

;) ;)  ;)

  :D news to me that one! some people being mischievous and the season is just over!  and option B. what option you picking Passedit?

Sorry SB i'll spell it out, he only said one of those things I made the other up, so i kinda know the answer.

clue The lie is based on a very recent actual event.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on November 12, 2009, 08:50:31 PM
is jody gormley taking longstone this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 12, 2009, 09:21:28 PM
An Riocht beat Ballyholland by 3 tonight in Division 2 Final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on November 12, 2009, 10:16:55 PM
A good win for us tonight.  The rest the Ballyholland boys needed didn't do the trick then!!!! ;)
In all seriousness what sort of a game was it.  Nice to see us winning the league title as we were by far the most consistent team in division 2 this year - but sometimes you never know in a one-off game.  Any reports on tonights game would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 12, 2009, 10:27:16 PM
Lisnacree won.

Promoted to Div 1  for next year.

Marty Clake MOM.

Read Matt in the Irish News, if you dare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 12, 2009, 10:31:13 PM
Not great conditions for a game tonight, pitch wasn't great. Referee was worse.
An Riocht never really looked like losing this game, despite the final score. Ballyholland got a goal just before half time to make the score respectable, they had only scored two points at this stage. It was a scrappy enough goal, but they all count. Marty Clarke rounded off the scoring in the first half with a point.
The second half was more of the same though Ballyholland dominated possession, they couldn't quite get back into the game until they found the net in the dying minutes to leave 2 points between the sides. An Riocht answered with a couple of points to leave 3 in it at the end. An Riocht got their scores that wee bit easier than Ballyholland, they did the simple things well. Everything good from An Riocht went through Martin Clarke at No.11, while John Clarke and James Colgan had good games. The Ballyholland No.9 (McAteer?) gave an excellent display of free taking and was probably their best player on display.
Overall it wasn't a classic, but the best team won. The ref did seem to be watching a different game, with some very strange calls.

An Riocht 1-14
Ballyholland 2-08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 12, 2009, 11:06:28 PM
Dont know what games the previous posters were watchin.Murtagh was best player on field by a good bit,caused havoc when in possession.Thought M Clarke was neat and tidy but nothin spectacular.John Clarke won lot of ball but generally was well marked by Ballyhollland number 2.Ballyholland dominated most of second half and should have had 2 more goals.Ref generally favoured An Roicht.An Riocht did get their scores easier but didnt get a mountain of possession due to Ballyholland winnin midfield.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 12, 2009, 11:08:09 PM
Quote from: passedit on November 12, 2009, 07:28:34 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 12, 2009, 05:09:48 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 11, 2009, 07:56:49 PM
Quote from: kb on November 11, 2009, 02:34:26 PM
Just wondering has anyone heard of any managerial exits in any of the leagues as the season draws to a close?

I hear Bredagh are unsure whether or not they will keep Kevin Blaney on.

;) ;)  ;)

  :D news to me that one! some people being mischievous and the season is just over!  and option B. what option you picking Passedit?

Sorry SB i'll spell it out, he only said one of those things I made the other up, so i kinda know the answer.

clue The lie is based on a very recent actual event.  ;)


Honestly?

seriously, any news on the merrygoround? thats the first I heard that one about Jody, so I cant comment on it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 12, 2009, 11:20:56 PM
Murtagh the best player on the field? We must have been at different games. He should be given a ball of his own, he is just too greedy. He will rue those missed goal chances, but the best team won the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Dun 94 on November 12, 2009, 11:36:49 PM
I thought Brendan Mc Veigh was great tonight Down number 1 for years to come.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 12, 2009, 11:58:20 PM
Was I hearing things or did John Clarke say it was great to be heading to Division 2 next year & he hoped Ballyholland would be in the same position next year & heading for Division 2.
I thought the left half back had a stormer tonight for The Kingdom & I think it was him that came out best in the crunching but fair tackle with Shane Mulholland near the end of the game, some great hits tonight which we don't see too often & in my view the best team won at a canter, they never looked like loosing to be honest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 13, 2009, 01:15:20 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on November 12, 2009, 11:06:28 PM
Dont know what games the previous posters were watchin.Murtagh was best player on field by a good bit,caused havoc when in possession.Thought M Clarke was neat and tidy but nothin spectacular.John Clarke won lot of ball but generally was well marked by Ballyhollland number 2.Ballyholland dominated most of second half and should have had 2 more goals.Ref generally favoured An Roicht.An Riocht did get their scores easier but didnt get a mountain of possession due to Ballyholland winnin midfield.

Just in after a couple of pints at the wake.. :-[ :-[I'll expand on it tomorrow cos I'm goin to the scratch now ....but before I go I have to say that Rony Murtagh was far and away the best player on the field tonight. Would yiz all take off those Aussie tinted glasses about Marty Clarke...he wasnt even the best player on the An Riocht team. He was average.... His brother was a much bigger threat all night.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bendurback on November 13, 2009, 09:40:58 AM
Lads Murtagh wasnt the best player on the field last night, he did play well in the second half when Ballyholland finally started kicking some decent ball into him, but he along with the other five Ballyholland forwards was anonymous in the first half. Its obvious the guy tries his eyestrings out but for me he took the wrong option too often to be given man of the match.

Clarke did the simple things well last night and took a few great scores, he makes everything look very easy. Its hard to pick one standout player from the game though, An Roicht's ability to convert posession to scores was the difference in the two teams. Ballyholland seemed reluctant to hit Murphy and Murtagh in the first half and seemed intent on handpassing the ball out of defence, a tactic that really didnt work.

All in all an enjoyable game of football for the neutral, and the pitch didnt seem that bad considering the current weather conditions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 13, 2009, 09:52:23 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 12, 2009, 11:58:20 PM
Was I hearing things or did John Clarke say it was great to be heading to Division 2 next year & he hoped Ballyholland would be in the same position next year & heading for Division 2.
I thought the left half back had a stormer tonight for The Kingdom & I think it was him that came out best in the crunching but fair tackle with Shane Mulholland near the end of the game, some great hits tonight which we don't see too often & in my view the best team won at a canter, they never looked like loosing to be honest.

He did indeed. He also stated An Riocht would be using this as a stepping stone to winning the senior championship next year, big big call, at least you can't fault their self belief I suppose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on November 13, 2009, 11:01:17 AM
I would agree that An Riocht did seem to get scores easier than Ballyholland. For me Martin Clarke was a disappointment while the An Riocht full forward line were the real threat.

Ballyholland lost it in the first half through a very poor performance. Too many of the "big" ballyholland players did not perform then. Paul Murphy was anonomous as was  Patterson and McAnulty. At saying that Ballyholland have every opportunity to win it in the second half and should have been awarded a penalty while also missing two other great goal chances. Murtagh was a real threat running at An Riocht but his accuacy of shooting was not there last night in the fist or second half as was hi decision making for going for goal too often.

Colgan was poor enough in midfield with Ballyholland's McAteer the stand out midfielder.

The referee tried hard but made a lot of incorrect calls more than should be expected of a league final. He was very quick to penalise Ballyholland and to move the ball forward against them so either he had to listen to a lot of crap from Murphy or was seeing things more one way than the other. I feel it was a combination of the two.

A very entertaining game for the neutral with the hot favourites winning out but I did leavefeeling that Ballyholland had their chances to upset the odds but just did not take them when it mattered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 13, 2009, 11:09:04 AM
Murtagh makes exactly the same mistakes with his club as he does with the county, he will beat his man with ease, leaving him in acres of space and instead of taking the easy option of taking his point or passing to a team mate, he looks for more men to beat and inevitably runs into trouble. He was through on goal a couple of times and wasted the opportunities, though credit has to go to McVeigh for some excellent saves. Had Ronan taken the simple option of taking his points, the game may have had a different outcome.
Martin Clarke did what he had to do last night, he did the simple things well and rarely wasted a ball, though I have to admit that he looks uncomfortable on the ball at times, maybe he needs time to readjust. His cause was not helped by the fact that the Ballyholland No.6 was hanging out of him for much of the game.
Ballyholland had the lions share of possession last night, but they failed to convert that possession into scores. That should tell you that they are doing something wrong. An Riocht never looked like losing than game last night, even when they conceded the goal near the end. They took their chances more easily and they did the simple things well.
For me the best player on the pitch was the Ballyhollnad No.9.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 13, 2009, 11:41:08 AM
No doubt the better team won last night. The early goal meant we were on the back foot throughout and for long times we played like a team afraid of falling further behind.

The referee didn't beat us, but there were a handful of key incidents that definitely went against us, and in a 3-point game, those end up being crucial.

I'm not sure what the Martin Clarke knockers were drinking last night. The Kingdom's full-forward line were hit every time they made a run into space, and more often than not, the provider was Clarke. Maybe some of you fellas are imagining he should be hitting Ciaran McDonald style hokes 70 yards off the outside of his boot, in between wonder points from all angles. Instead what you got was a man who never wasted a ball all night despite being very tightly marked, someone who was always willing to play the simple pass, someone who never held possession long enough to take a proper knock.

John Clarke and Soupy Campbell has a great tussle. Considering Clarke won at least a dozen clean balls out in front, it was a measure of how good Soupy's tackling was that he only registered one point. Chris Killen did the real damage if you ask me - in the first half anyway.

I was also impressed with Deaglan O'Reilly, Joe McVeigh and especially Brendan McVeigh - who aside from a couple of great stops, showed tremendous distribution qualities.

Best for Harps over the 60 were Murtagh and McAteer, while the two Barrys definitely made a difference when they came on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 13, 2009, 12:24:47 PM
wobbler's right - the harps 1st half was atrocious and going 9-2 down was a disastrous start. altho declan moore didnt beat us, it seemed that anytime we pressurised/tackled/hit their men we got blown up - it allowed the kingdom to play the lovely football they can play - but we needed a wee bit of leeway to get stuck in to see if that could upset them.

credit tho to kingdom they are a lovely footballing team, i was delighted to see m clarke and i think the fella oozes class. he definitely needs time to readjust but for playmaking + score taking alone he should be a definite starter on our county team. he has such a good temperament too. did anyone else notice him palming the ball away from himself aussie rules style on a couple of occasions for fear of infringement?

anyways, yes our 2 goal chances were huge moments, b mcveigh made couple of other great saves, and i would loved us to gotten level or 1 ahead to see what the kingdom had in them - possibly they are better equiped for div 1 but they are going to struggle in midfield i believe at the higher level.

lastly, i spoke to an armagh man after the game and he thought the refereeing was contributing to part of whats gone wrong in down football - ie no one is allowed to tackle hard / hit hard - he said some of the stuff that was being blown up wouldnt even be looked at in an armagh club game. i would tend to agree with that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 13, 2009, 12:37:54 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 13, 2009, 12:24:47 PM
wobbler's right - the harps 1st half was atrocious and going 9-2 down was a disastrous start. altho declan moore didnt beat us, it seemed that anytime we pressurised/tackled/hit their men we got blown up - it allowed the kingdom to play the lovely football they can play - but we needed a wee bit of leeway to get stuck in to see if that could upset them.

credit tho to kingdom they are a lovely footballing team, i was delighted to see m clarke and i think the fella oozes class. he definitely needs time to readjust but for playmaking + score taking alone he should be a definite starter on our county team. he has such a good temperament too. did anyone else notice him palming the ball away from himself aussie rules style on a couple of occasions for fear of infringement?

anyways, yes our 2 goal chances were huge moments, b mcveigh made couple of other great saves, and i would loved us to gotten level or 1 ahead to see what the kingdom had in them - possibly they are better equiped for div 1 but they are going to struggle in midfield i believe at the higher level.

lastly, i spoke to an armagh man after the game and he thought the refereeing was contributing to part of whats gone wrong in down football - ie no one is allowed to tackle hard / hit hard - he said some of the stuff that was being blown up wouldnt even be looked at in an armagh club game. i would tend to agree with that

I'd have to completly disagree with that view, although the referee wasn't the best i've seen he certainly did allow some hard but fair challenges last night, we can't always blame the referee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 13, 2009, 01:20:38 PM
A lot of the neutrals last night thought the referee was shocking. A few Armagh men near me also said that referees were to blame for the poor standard of football in Down. No one seems to know how to tackle properly, one ref lets a certain tackle go while another blows it up.
I didn't think the ref favoured either team last night, but he didn't seem to want a free flowing game either.
I think questions have to be asked regarding fixtures. Why play such an important game in the middle of November? The ground isn't right for football at this time of year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on November 13, 2009, 02:15:16 PM
wobblers report on last nights match was spot on. at least he gave chris killen the credit he deserved in a m.o.m display. as for marty c just pure CLASS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 13, 2009, 02:24:37 PM
Comiserations to my friends at the Harps and congratulations to An Riocht. 

Over the course of the season they were the team that proved they were best equipped for Division 1.  John Clarke was the best player I saw in Division 2 all year aswell.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Dun 94 on November 13, 2009, 05:30:03 PM
Is anyone going to the game in Armagh tonight has anyone got time's and how much in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on November 13, 2009, 05:30:18 PM
Fair play wobbler - a real honest report on lasts nights game.  Not many people tell it as it is especially when your own team looses.  Credit were credit is due.

I too heard that Chris Killen and Decky O'Reilly were probably An Riocht's best last night.  Alot of posters seem intent on supporting or slating the big boys (county players), however in quite a few club games its the boys who give there all for their clubs and would die for the jersey (O'Reilly, Soupy) that shine through. 

In saying this you always need some inspiration and that's what we get from Marty and Brendy (I'm sure when Murtagh is flying he lifts the whole Ballyholland team) and just pure grit and determination and a never say die attitude and thats what we get from John (Ballyholland get it from Murphy) - a good mixture.  On the negative side if you take the aforementioned lads out of the team (on county duty) it sure as helll leaves a big hole to be filled.  Will be interesting to see how we handle division 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 13, 2009, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 12, 2009, 11:08:09 PM
Quote from: passedit on November 12, 2009, 07:28:34 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 12, 2009, 05:09:48 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 11, 2009, 07:56:49 PM
Quote from: kb on November 11, 2009, 02:34:26 PM
Just wondering has anyone heard of any managerial exits in any of the leagues as the season draws to a close?

I hear Bredagh are unsure whether or not they will keep Kevin Blaney on.

;) ;)  ;)

  :D news to me that one! some people being mischievous and the season is just over!  and option B. what option you picking Passedit?

Sorry SB i'll spell it out, he only said one of those things I made the other up, so i kinda know the answer.

clue The lie is based on a very recent actual event.  ;)


Honestly?

seriously, any news on the merrygoround? thats the first I heard that one about Jody, so I cant comment on it

Shows you how much I know!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 13, 2009, 07:14:07 PM
Quote from: conormac on November 13, 2009, 05:30:18 PM
Fair play wobbler - a real honest report on lasts nights game.  Not many people tell it as it is especially when your own team looses.  Credit were credit is due.

Credit were credit is due indeed. Wobbler gave a very frank and honest assessment of last nights game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on November 13, 2009, 08:06:56 PM
Credit Wobbler - Great reports, you ever consider a carear in the press  ;) Kingdom we're by far the batter team and fully deserved their win, yes the referee wasn't the best but then again that down football for you. Hard luck to Ballyholland, i have no doubt that they will be in the final next year again...And Congratulations to an riocht, it'll be intresting to see how the likes of young Paddy g handles the 1st division

(in my opinion, hes a class footballer, with a great sense of knowledge on a football pitch!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on November 14, 2009, 10:41:28 AM
Has Eamon McAneaney been appointed as senior team manager at the 'bridge for next year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 14, 2009, 11:16:51 AM
Quote from: 13aside on November 14, 2009, 10:41:28 AM
Has Eamon McAneaney been appointed as senior team manager at the 'bridge for next year?

The Irish News has this story this morning and that Frank Dawson is being replaced by Jody Gormley in Longstone. I thought the Bridge would have gave Carroll another year, even though they lost out on the championship which he was heavily blamed for, he made up for it by applying brilliant tactics to win a league final with 14 men after Benny was lined and without the services off his other main man Michael Walsh. I dont think McAneaney will make a big difference, after all it was the players who didnt score for 40 minutes against Kilcoo in the championship. He did make a few surprise changes that day but a team off Mayobridges strength should have been able to hold out. The first manager to loose out on a championship with the bridge was always going to be made a scapegoat but maybe people need to realise they have been to the well many times and they where bound to be beaten sooner or later. I think the writing was on the wall when we hammered them in last years league final and i reakon this is why Donnelly jumped ship. The Bridge are stil a top side but i cant see them dominating the next decade the same way they wonderfully dominated the last and I have sympathy for the abuse Paul Carroll took even though he won a league title.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cúig huaire on November 14, 2009, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: 13aside on November 14, 2009, 10:41:28 AM
Has Eamon McAneaney been appointed as senior team manager at the 'bridge for next year?

Quote from: Cúig huaire on October 14, 2009, 01:14:21 PM
Former Louth manager Eamon McEneaney is rumoured to be taking over at one of the big clubs in Down, it was mentioned on LMFM yesterday. They`ll need to have deep pockets.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 14, 2009, 12:28:41 PM
For some unknown reason St. Malachy's Castlewellan who won the All-Ireland U18 schools title were overlooked last night at the County dinner in The Canal Court Hotel.
Every other team or individual from the County who won a National title in 2009 were acknowledged & presented with awards/medals & rightly so, I cannot believe that somehow or other the organisers managed to forget about St. Malachy's.
I'd dare say that if one of our Newry school's achieved All-Ireland success that they would have been glorified at the County dinner.
I think it's an absolute disgrace that this has happened especially when we have a man in a very well paid job as County Secretary.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on November 14, 2009, 06:20:20 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 14, 2009, 12:28:41 PM
For some unknown reason St. Malachy's Castlewellan who won the All-Ireland U18 schools title were overlooked last night at the County dinner in The Canal Court Hotel.
Every other team or individual from the County who won a National title in 2009 were acknowledged & presented with awards/medals & rightly so, I cannot believe that somehow or other the organisers managed to forget about St. Malachy's.
I'd dare say that if one of our Newry school's achieved All-Ireland success that they would have been glorified at the County dinner.
I think it's an absolute disgrace that this has happened especially when we have a man in a very well paid job as County Secretary.
Not the first time something has happened if memory serves me right.
Did he not leave a Kilcoo All Ireland underage team out of something similar  recently
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 14, 2009, 06:38:44 PM
Quote from: norabeag on November 14, 2009, 06:20:20 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 14, 2009, 12:28:41 PM
For some unknown reason St. Malachy's Castlewellan who won the All-Ireland U18 schools title were overlooked last night at the County dinner in The Canal Court Hotel.
Every other team or individual from the County who won a National title in 2009 were acknowledged & presented with awards/medals & rightly so, I cannot believe that somehow or other the organisers managed to forget about St. Malachy's.
I'd dare say that if one of our Newry school's achieved All-Ireland success that they would have been glorified at the County dinner.
I think it's an absolute disgrace that this has happened especially when we have a man in a very well paid job as County Secretary.
Not the first time something has happened if memory serves me right.
Did he not leave a Kilcoo All Ireland underage team out of something similar  recently

Yeah our under 14 all ireland Feile team off 2006. Any all ireland won in the county at any level including scor should be applauded and recognised by all gaels but especially by our county administrators.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 14, 2009, 06:42:03 PM
Quote from: norabeag on November 14, 2009, 06:20:20 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 14, 2009, 12:28:41 PM
For some unknown reason St. Malachy's Castlewellan who won the All-Ireland U18 schools title were overlooked last night at the County dinner in The Canal Court Hotel.
Every other team or individual from the County who won a National title in 2009 were acknowledged & presented with awards/medals & rightly so, I cannot believe that somehow or other the organisers managed to forget about St. Malachy's.
I'd dare say that if one of our Newry school's achieved All-Ireland success that they would have been glorified at the County dinner.
I think it's an absolute disgrace that this has happened especially when we have a man in a very well paid job as County Secretary.
Not the first time something has happened if memory serves me right.
Did he not leave a Kilcoo All Ireland underage team out of something similar  recently

I think you could be right norabeag, the man is a complete tosser in my view & totally incapable of holding such a high profile position in this County, as the saying goes 'it's not what you know, it's who you know' ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 14, 2009, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 14, 2009, 06:38:44 PM
Quote from: norabeag on November 14, 2009, 06:20:20 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 14, 2009, 12:28:41 PM
For some unknown reason St. Malachy's Castlewellan who won the All-Ireland U18 schools title were overlooked last night at the County dinner in The Canal Court Hotel.
Every other team or individual from the County who won a National title in 2009 were acknowledged & presented with awards/medals & rightly so, I cannot believe that somehow or other the organisers managed to forget about St. Malachy's.
I'd dare say that if one of our Newry school's achieved All-Ireland success that they would have been glorified at the County dinner.
I think it's an absolute disgrace that this has happened especially when we have a man in a very well paid job as County Secretary.
Not the first time something has happened if memory serves me right.
Did he not leave a Kilcoo All Ireland underage team out of something similar  recently

Yeah our under 14 all ireland Feile team off 2006. Any all ireland won in the county at any level including scor should be applauded and recognised by all gaels but especially by our county administrators.

Did he hold the position of secretary in 2006 Mid Down Gael?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 14, 2009, 06:49:57 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 14, 2009, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 14, 2009, 06:38:44 PM
Quote from: norabeag on November 14, 2009, 06:20:20 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 14, 2009, 12:28:41 PM
For some unknown reason St. Malachy's Castlewellan who won the All-Ireland U18 schools title were overlooked last night at the County dinner in The Canal Court Hotel.
Every other team or individual from the County who won a National title in 2009 were acknowledged & presented with awards/medals & rightly so, I cannot believe that somehow or other the organisers managed to forget about St. Malachy's.
I'd dare say that if one of our Newry school's achieved All-Ireland success that they would have been glorified at the County dinner.
I think it's an absolute disgrace that this has happened especially when we have a man in a very well paid job as County Secretary.
Not the first time something has happened if memory serves me right.
Did he not leave a Kilcoo All Ireland underage team out of something similar  recently

Yeah our under 14 all ireland Feile team off 2006. Any all ireland won in the county at any level including scor should be applauded and recognised by all gaels but especially by our county administrators.

Did he hold the position of secretary in 2006 Mid Down Gael?

To be honest I dont think so. I think he was helping Paddy ORourke with Down seniors in this year and the 3 years previous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 14, 2009, 06:57:24 PM
Be interesting to see if there are any repercussions of his incompetence because at the end of the day if you or I made c-ck-ups in our professional careers I'd say our respective employers would quite rightly have something to say about it, why should he be any different than the ordinary five eigth on the street?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on November 15, 2009, 12:54:41 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 14, 2009, 06:57:24 PM
Be interesting to see if there are any repercussions of his incompetence because at the end of the day if you or I made c-ck-ups in our professional careers I'd say our respective employers would quite rightly have something to say about it, why should he be any different than the ordinary five eigth on the street?
He was not paid secretary then but was the paid county administrator at the time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 15, 2009, 03:59:05 PM
Division 2 relegation play-off in Ballykinlar:
Darragh Cross 2-9 Glasdrumman 1-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 15, 2009, 04:08:24 PM
Glasdrumman are relegated to Division 3.

Saval hammered Loughinisland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on November 15, 2009, 04:10:59 PM
Loup beat Kilcoo by a point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on November 15, 2009, 04:23:32 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on November 14, 2009, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: 13aside on November 14, 2009, 10:41:28 AM
Has Eamon McAneaney been appointed as senior team manager at the 'bridge for next year?


Yes Eamon McAneaney is to take over the reins next year at the bridge! I think he will be a good man for us! He's taking a wealth of experience to this job! As for Mid Down Gael saying the bridge are finished, think your way off the mark. Bridge still a very young team and a few more coming in! We will be back!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 15, 2009, 05:12:45 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on November 15, 2009, 04:23:32 PM
Quote from: Cúig huaire on November 14, 2009, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: 13aside on November 14, 2009, 10:41:28 AM
Has Eamon McAneaney been appointed as senior team manager at the 'bridge for next year?


Yes Eamon McAneaney is to take over the reins next year at the bridge! I think he will be a good man for us! He's taking a wealth of experience to this job! As for Mid Down Gael saying the bridge are finished, think your way off the mark. Bridge still a very young team and a few more coming in! We will be back!

Did i say yous where finished? quote me where i said that. All i gave was an opinion that yous were gonna loose in down sooner or later after so long at the top.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 16, 2009, 08:40:42 AM
Down results. Are Loughinisland down?

ACFL Div 3 Relegation Play Off
Drumaness 0 14  St Pauls 1 05
Div 2 Final
An Riocht 1 14 Ballyholland 2 07
ACFL Div 1 Relegation Play Off
Loughinisland 0 07 Saval 1 13
ACFL Div 2 Relegation Play Off
Darragh Cross 2 09 Glasdrumman 1 07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 16, 2009, 09:47:05 AM
Went to watch the Glassdrumman match yesterday. Our celebrities were extremely poor and sluggish all over the park. It really was a case of "I'm a celebrity get me out of here" for yourg C. Harrison. He runs the ball well for Glass usually but yesterday he never got a kick. And to wrap things up he resorted to a half assed headbutt attempt. After seeing red he went on a rampage throwing at lease another two misdirected punches whilst, as i can only assume,he lost his sense direction to the dug-outs. So to summarize he was pretty useless. His fighting was as useless as his overall play. If the referee report is worded right he should be having quite a good rest until his next match in Div. 3. No need for such behaviour in football especially since there was still plenty of time to get a result. He let his club down badly. Overall the game was not the most fluent but what else could you expect from football at this time of the year. The referee did very well and got most of the decission correct including the two reds to Glassdrumman.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewanderer on November 16, 2009, 09:50:41 AM
mc aneaney with mayobridge that will cost them a small fortune. Do they really need to go outside the club if the players are good enough surely someone within could take them especially in this financial environment. ps he cant guarantee success ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on November 16, 2009, 10:24:19 AM
Quote from: When We Win on November 16, 2009, 09:47:05 AM
Went to watch the Glassdrumman match yesterday. Our celebrities were extremely poor and sluggish all over the park. It really was a case of "I'm a celebrity get me out of here" for yourg C. Harrison. He runs the ball well for Glass usually but yesterday he never got a kick. And to wrap things up he resorted to a half assed headbutt attempt. After seeing red he went on a rampage throwing at lease another two misdirected punches whilst, as i can only assume,he lost his sense direction to the dug-outs. So to summarize he was pretty useless. His fighting was as useless as his overall play. If the referee report is worded right he should be having quite a good rest until his next match in Div. 3. No need for such behaviour in football especially since there was still plenty of time to get a result. He let his club down badly. Overall the game was not the most fluent but what else could you expect from football at this time of the year. The referee did very well and got most of the decission correct including the two reds to Glassdrumman.
I suggest you edit this--the young fella I'm sure knows he did wrong but I don't see the need to personally attack him here.  East Down neutral?  Hardly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on November 16, 2009, 11:17:22 AM
Harrison deserves all he gets for acting a thug on the football field when his team were beaten.

he let his club down badly, derek davis wudnt hav stood for that sort of behaviour!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 16, 2009, 12:08:45 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 16, 2009, 09:47:05 AM
Went to watch the Glassdrumman match yesterday. Our celebrities were extremely poor and sluggish all over the park. It really was a case of "I'm a celebrity get me out of here" for yourg C. Harrison. He runs the ball well for Glass usually but yesterday he never got a kick. And to wrap things up he resorted to a half assed headbutt attempt. After seeing red he went on a rampage throwing at lease another two misdirected punches whilst, as i can only assume,he lost his sense direction to the dug-outs. So to summarize he was pretty useless. His fighting was as useless as his overall play. If the referee report is worded right he should be having quite a good rest until his next match in Div. 3. No need for such behaviour in football especially since there was still plenty of time to get a result. He let his club down badly. Overall the game was not the most fluent but what else could you expect from football at this time of the year. The referee did very well and got most of the decission correct including the two reds to Glassdrumman.

he is a total w..ker, when the main man stevie parsons held him scoreless in drumgath two years back he headbutted the umpire.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 16, 2009, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 16, 2009, 09:47:05 AM
Went to watch the Glassdrumman match yesterday. Our celebrities were extremely poor and sluggish all over the park. It really was a case of "I'm a celebrity get me out of here" for yourg C. Harrison. He runs the ball well for Glass usually but yesterday he never got a kick. And to wrap things up he resorted to a half assed headbutt attempt. After seeing red he went on a rampage throwing at lease another two misdirected punches whilst, as i can only assume,he lost his sense direction to the dug-outs. So to summarize he was pretty useless. His fighting was as useless as his overall play. If the referee report is worded right he should be having quite a good rest until his next match in Div. 3. No need for such behaviour in football especially since there was still plenty of time to get a result. He let his club down badly. Overall the game was not the most fluent but what else could you expect from football at this time of the year. The referee did very well and got most of the decission correct including the two reds to Glassdrumman.

Answer me one question.... Why the need for such a nonsense line? :o
The post in general is extremely heavily weighted and very personal towards one named individual by somebody who is sitting behind a pseudonym. Would agree with imagine on this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 16, 2009, 12:41:34 PM
This isnt an personal attack on a player. I think in general he is a good footballer and with a bit of toning could be close to county panel but i see no pointin hiding the facts of what went on with the individual on the pitch. I could have went and watched the Loughinisland game but i chose this one as i heard they played two entertaining games earlier in the year. To say he knows he done wrong would be fine if he had accepted the the red card in the first instance. But he purposely walked some 15 yards to get involved with another player who had nothing to do with the first incident. Then he walked another 15 yards to another player who again had nothing to do with the incident to attack again. This was not in an instant. It was over about 40 seconds. To walk around in this manner is totally unacceptable. Where in the gaa does it say thuggary is accepted. People can get seriously hurt in this manner therefore you deserve to be named and shamed. From Charlie's post it doesnt seem this is a one of from him. Maybe he will sort his head out for next year.

As for the line, it is a comical addition to my post on an afterthought. It runs with the theme of I'm a celebrity which started last night and the Celebrity Bainstor obviously.

When other players were named on this forum for striking once, i didnt see anyone asking for the posts to be removed. My son was at the game with me and this is not the sort of imagery i want him seeing at a football match. Incidents like this should not be hiden.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 16, 2009, 01:05:19 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 16, 2009, 12:41:34 PM
This isnt an personal attack on a player. I think in general he is a good footballer and with a bit of toning could be close to county panel but i see no pointin hiding the facts of what went on with the individual on the pitch. I could have went and watched the Loughinisland game but i chose this one as i heard they played two entertaining games earlier in the year. To say he knows he done wrong would be fine if he had accepted the the red card in the first instance. But he purposely walked some 15 yards to get involved with another player who had nothing to do with the first incident. Then he walked another 15 yards to another player who again had nothing to do with the incident to attack again. This was not in an instant. It was over about 40 seconds. To walk around in this manner is totally unacceptable. Where in the gaa does it say thuggary is accepted. People can get seriously hurt in this manner therefore you deserve to be named and shamed. From Charlie's post it doesnt seem this is a one of from him. Maybe he will sort his head out for next year.

As for the line, it is a comical addition to my post on an afterthought. It runs with the theme of I'm a celebrity which started last night and the Celebrity Bainstor obviously.

When other players were named on this forum for striking once, i didnt see anyone asking for the posts to be removed. My son was at the game with me and this is not the sort of imagery i want him seeing at a football match. Incidents like this should not be hiden.

There is disciplinary procedure to deal with anybody's indiscretions in the GAA,naming anybody in a derogratory manner is bang out of order-but I wouldn't suggest for one minute that we should ask for your cloak of anonymity to be removed-so that you could be named and shamed.I would merely suggest that you be careful about future personalised posts!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 16, 2009, 01:08:26 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 16, 2009, 09:47:05 AM
Went to watch the Glassdrumman match yesterday. Our celebrities were extremely poor and sluggish all over the park. It really was a case of "I'm a celebrity get me out of here" for yourg C. Harrison. He runs the ball well for Glass usually but yesterday he never got a kick. And to wrap things up he resorted to a half assed headbutt attempt. After seeing red he went on a rampage throwing at lease another two misdirected punches whilst, as i can only assume,he lost his sense direction to the dug-outs. So to summarize he was pretty useless. His fighting was as useless as his overall play. If the referee report is worded right he should be having quite a good rest until his next match in Div. 3. No need for such behaviour in football especially since there was still plenty of time to get a result. He let his club down badly. Overall the game was not the most fluent but what else could you expect from football at this time of the year. The referee did very well and got most of the decission correct including the two reds to Glassdrumman.

In addition 2/3 of your post focuses on the same individual, whilst only affording one line to the actual game itself. Look not condoning violence here, and it is not something that children should be seeing at a game. However, to me your post seems like a personal attack. When individuals on a voluntary basis are giving up their time to play they don't need to be embarrassed by being branded useless on a set day or called a wa@@er on a world wide public forum( granted you didn't call him that).
Yes I got the comical sunesque line, too be fair I was cringing more than anything, but we are all different, with different tastes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 16, 2009, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 16, 2009, 12:08:45 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 16, 2009, 09:47:05 AM
Went to watch the Glassdrumman match yesterday. Our celebrities were extremely poor and sluggish all over the park. It really was a case of "I'm a celebrity get me out of here" for yourg C. Harrison. He runs the ball well for Glass usually but yesterday he never got a kick. And to wrap things up he resorted to a half assed headbutt attempt. After seeing red he went on a rampage throwing at lease another two misdirected punches whilst, as i can only assume,he lost his sense direction to the dug-outs. So to summarize he was pretty useless. His fighting was as useless as his overall play. If the referee report is worded right he should be having quite a good rest until his next match in Div. 3. No need for such behaviour in football especially since there was still plenty of time to get a result. He let his club down badly. Overall the game was not the most fluent but what else could you expect from football at this time of the year. The referee did very well and got most of the decission correct including the two reds to Glassdrumman.

he is a total w..ker, when the main man stevie parsons held him scoreless in drumgath two years back he headbutted the umpire.

I think someone is developing a man crush  :-*
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 16, 2009, 01:49:40 PM
so does anyone know where that leaves promotion/relegation div1 & 2?

do shamrocks & d cross play off now? what about saval??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 16, 2009, 01:56:16 PM
afaik a liatroim win v loughinisland this weekend leaves the other 2 down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on November 16, 2009, 02:28:27 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 16, 2009, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 16, 2009, 12:08:45 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 16, 2009, 09:47:05 AM
Went to watch the Glassdrumman match yesterday. Our celebrities were extremely poor and sluggish all over the park. It really was a case of "I'm a celebrity get me out of here" for yourg C. Harrison. He runs the ball well for Glass usually but yesterday he never got a kick. And to wrap things up he resorted to a half assed headbutt attempt. After seeing red he went on a rampage throwing at lease another two misdirected punches whilst, as i can only assume,he lost his sense direction to the dug-outs. So to summarize he was pretty useless. His fighting was as useless as his overall play. If the referee report is worded right he should be having quite a good rest until his next match in Div. 3. No need for such behaviour in football especially since there was still plenty of time to get a result. He let his club down badly. Overall the game was not the most fluent but what else could you expect from football at this time of the year. The referee did very well and got most of the decission correct including the two reds to Glassdrumman.

he is a total w..ker, when the main man stevie parsons held him scoreless in drumgath two years back he headbutted the umpire.

I think someone is developing a man crush  :-*

A terrific footballer on his day, who I rate very highly but as some of the posters on here have alluded to already this isn't an isolated incident.
Whenever he tends not to have it his own way he resorts to indiscipline.
Against Warrenpoint a few years ago he done same wasnt getting decisions he wanted & was being held scoreless, then spat out the dummy & shouldve walked, although ref realised the game was over & let him off!

This thing crops up again & again in our game & its widespread because players know in GAA you can get away with a headbutt etc whereas in other sports it would be stamped out immeadiately.
Discipline procedures are in place but too often the culprits get away unpunished & to be honest its one of the issues in our game I detest!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on November 16, 2009, 02:52:31 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on November 16, 2009, 01:56:16 PM
afaik a liatroim win v loughinisland this weekend leaves the other 2 down.

You are correct. I am sure there was plenty of your boys at the match yesterday and they will hardly be trembling at the thought of playing us at the moment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 16, 2009, 03:30:17 PM
not sure, i know a few were at the kilcoo match, shocking results for ye's was surprised!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 16, 2009, 06:03:06 PM
Any game i am at from now on i will name a player who is resorting to thugery thus providing continuity through all my posts.

Starting with yesterday i would name the Glass no 13 who got sent off straight after. Two Darragh Cross players came close. One for a kick out and one for a high challange. These were early in the game and at this stage i didnt decide this would be a course of action i would need to take so no names or numbers there.

I'l compose a list and keep you all updated of Down's bad boys.

I just dont feel bad about my post now that i see other people making reference to similar incidents involving said individual who will be referred to as Mr X for discreationary reasons. No one can defend a player who throws out time again, and shows no remorse..... Why would this time be any different. I played hard as a footballer and was never known to pull out of a tackle but i never had to punch someone to get the better of them. If the outplayed me i shook hands after the game and said well done. I am sure the Cross player does no need me to defend him but he was there to play football and has another game to play next week, so how can he retaliate without suffering the same fate. I am sure if he wanted to box they could do this elsewhere on an even platform.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 16, 2009, 07:03:34 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 16, 2009, 06:03:06 PM
Any game i am at from now on i will name a player who is resorting to thugery thus providing continuity through all my posts.

Starting with yesterday i would name the Glass no 13 who got sent off straight after. Two Darragh Cross players came close. One for a kick out and one for a high challange. These were early in the game and at this stage i didnt decide this would be a course of action i would need to take so no names or numbers there.

I'l compose a list and keep you all updated of Down's bad boys.

I just dont feel bad about my post now that i see other people making reference to similar incidents involving said individual who will be referred to as Mr X for discreationary reasons. No one can defend a player who throws out time again, and shows no remorse..... Why would this time be any different. I played hard as a footballer and was never known to pull out of a tackle but i never had to punch someone to get the better of them. If the outplayed me i shook hands after the game and said well done. I am sure the Cross player does no need me to defend him but he was there to play football and has another game to play next week, so how can he retaliate without suffering the same fate. I am sure if he wanted to box they could do this elsewhere on an even platform.

Take your head for a sh-te :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on November 16, 2009, 09:58:03 PM
Take your head for a sh-te :D


Second that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on November 17, 2009, 12:47:18 AM
Thought that wee outburst may have started a discussion, something..like, who are the well-renowned hard men if you like, in Down club football?..not nessecarily bad boys/dirty players as such, (as we wouldnt want to single out players for negative reasons), just like the hard hitters..Any ideas? Im sure there is one in every club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on November 17, 2009, 07:52:44 AM
Anyone any ideas why the county website (downgaa.net) has ground to a halt in terms of news updates? Results are still being updated but no news changes since Nov 7th!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on November 17, 2009, 12:49:58 PM
In my opinion the down website is crap take a look at other county websites and you will see.  :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on November 18, 2009, 08:00:57 AM
Have the relegation issues been sorted out at the bottom of div.2 or is there still 1 game to go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 18, 2009, 09:12:47 AM
All down to the Shamrock -v- Darragh Cross match. Winners play div 2 next year. No complictions in this play off scenerio. I am sure the Shamrocks will fancy their chances having had the better of Cross over the course of the year. But Darragh Cross will definately be turning up focused to this one i am sure. It will be like another Championship Final and more important this time i would say. Match should be played this weekend i would assume.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Dun 94 on November 18, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
Quote from: Banna Man on November 17, 2009, 12:49:58 PM
In my opinion the down website is crap take a look at other county websites and you will see.  :-[

100% right down website is dirt  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 18, 2009, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: An Dun 94 on November 18, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
Quote from: Banna Man on November 17, 2009, 12:49:58 PM
In my opinion the down website is crap take a look at other county websites and you will see.  :-[

100% right down website is dirt  >:(

Another quality & well thought out post from a newbie, I often wonder why a lot of  newbie post's are usually based on having a dig at someone or as this one show's, come from people with a severe lack of intelligence ???
It's not a d-ck measuring contest lad's, sometimes it makes sense to have a look at what you are posting, unless of course you are of Primary school age & just think it's great to be on the GAABoard, which would appear to be the case with some of the rubbish we have been reading recently, end of rant! :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on November 18, 2009, 12:28:59 PM
newbie post's are usually based on having a dig at someone or as this one show's, come from people with a severe lack of intelligence

So what have you just done but have a dig at a poor little newbie whom is trying to find his way in this big old world off discussion board

P.S. do you agree that the down website is crap or not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 18, 2009, 01:11:02 PM
Quote from: Banna Man on November 18, 2009, 12:28:59 PM
newbie post's are usually based on having a dig at someone or as this one show's, come from people with a severe lack of intelligence

So what have you just done but have a dig at a poor little newbie whom is trying to find his way in this big old world off discussion board

P.S. do you agree that the down website is crap or not

http://clannnabanna.down.gaa.ie/index.html


I certainly don't agree with that statement, the news section may not have been updated since 7/11 for some reason but it usually is updated on a regular basis & may I say that it also depends on the input from clubs etc. to keep it updated.
It is also worth noting that our County PRO gives of his time in a voluntary capacity.
Maybe you should remind your own club about the importance of an up to date club website as the link I have posted clearly shows 'this weeks fixture's' for the last week in July, nearly four months ago ;)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on November 18, 2009, 01:22:13 PM
Maybe you should remind your own club about the importance of an up to date club website as the link I have posted clearly shows 'this weeks fixture's' for the last week in July, nearly four months ago

And what has clan na banna got to do with me or my club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 18, 2009, 01:26:35 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 18, 2009, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: An Dun 94 on November 18, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
Quote from: Banna Man on November 17, 2009, 12:49:58 PM
In my opinion the down website is crap take a look at other county websites and you will see.  :-[

100% right down website is dirt  >:(

Another quality & well thought out post from a newbie, I often wonder why a lot of  newbie post's are usually based on having a dig at someone or as this one show's, come from people with a severe lack of intelligence ???
It's not a d-ck measuring contest lad's, sometimes it makes sense to have a look at what you are posting, unless of course you are of Primary school age & just think it's great to be on the GAABoard, which would appear to be the case with some of the rubbish we have been reading recently, end of rant! :)

with 389 posts to his name mournerambler is the daddy of the gaaboard. how dare anyone new post anything. catch a grip of yourself man, free expression for everyone, you dont own the site.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 18, 2009, 01:57:26 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 18, 2009, 01:26:35 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 18, 2009, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: An Dun 94 on November 18, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
Quote from: Banna Man on November 17, 2009, 12:49:58 PM
In my opinion the down website is crap take a look at other county websites and you will see.  :-[

100% right down website is dirt  >:(

Another quality & well thought out post from a newbie, I often wonder why a lot of  newbie post's are usually based on having a dig at someone or as this one show's, come from people with a severe lack of intelligence ???
It's not a d-ck measuring contest lad's, sometimes it makes sense to have a look at what you are posting, unless of course you are of Primary school age & just think it's great to be on the GAABoard, which would appear to be the case with some of the rubbish we have been reading recently, end of rant! :)

with 389 posts to his name mournerambler is the daddy of the gaaboard. how dare anyone new post anything. catch a grip of yourself man, free expression for everyone, you dont own the site.

Now now charlie, don't be getting twitchy, or maybe your still trying to fathom why your dream about Drumgath & Division 2 next year didn't become reality ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on November 18, 2009, 02:00:27 PM
Mr Rambler may I post something on your Discussion Board Please
( If i keep this up i will nearly have as many rants as you lol)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 18, 2009, 02:23:17 PM
And yet another newbie takes the bait :P

Yes you may post on my board ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on November 18, 2009, 03:30:08 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 18, 2009, 04:27:16 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 18, 2009, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: An Dun 94 on November 18, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
Quote from: Banna Man on November 17, 2009, 12:49:58 PM
In my opinion the down website is crap take a look at other county websites and you will see.  :-[

100% right down website is dirt  >:(

Another quality & well thought out post from a newbie, I often wonder why a lot of  newbie post's are usually based on having a dig at someone or as this one show's, come from people with a severe lack of intelligence ???
It's not a d-ck measuring contest lad's, sometimes it makes sense to have a look at what you are posting, unless of course you are of Primary school age & just think it's great to be on the GAABoard, which would appear to be the case with some of the rubbish we have been reading recently, end of rant! :)

Banna mans post was to the point and encaptivated his feelings spot on. I assume Mourneramblers post is because he just cant summarize his posts in so few words. I aslo assume his problem is with the term dirt. You need to get down with the Street lingo!!!!

Obviously i too prefer the whole 'intelligent posts only' approach which rambler is trying to achieve. I find this posts strike a greater sense of seriousness withh the addition of smilies. For example:

Role Play Situation for serious topic:

Banna Man: Lets be all serious now and talk about the economy and the direct affect it has with sponsorship within the Association in particular how will it cause differences to the development of junior members and their attitude towards committement.

Mournerambler: Blah blah blah blah blah  >:( furthermore blah blah blah :-\ i think blah blah ::) and blah ;D

Charlie Tully: We dont care as long as we can get 100% alcholised.

Mournerambler: Blah Blah take this serious like me, look my smilie is unhappy about that silly post of yours, look  :(


To be honest, anything posted recently is better that half the crap we read on here about the down management saga or fixture congestion, or whatever..... If people didnt post about what McGrath said it wouldnt have to be mentioned so get over it.

Look, now i have had to type a massive post to defend the newbies. Where is the Loughanisland game this weekend anyone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 18, 2009, 04:37:51 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 18, 2009, 04:27:16 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 18, 2009, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: An Dun 94 on November 18, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
Quote from: Banna Man on November 17, 2009, 12:49:58 PM
In my opinion the down website is crap take a look at other county websites and you will see.  :-[

100% right down website is dirt  >:(

Another quality & well thought out post from a newbie, I often wonder why a lot of  newbie post's are usually based on having a dig at someone or as this one show's, come from people with a severe lack of intelligence ???
It's not a d-ck measuring contest lad's, sometimes it makes sense to have a look at what you are posting, unless of course you are of Primary school age & just think it's great to be on the GAABoard, which would appear to be the case with some of the rubbish we have been reading recently, end of rant! :)

Banna mans post was to the point and encaptivated his feelings spot on. I assume Mourneramblers post is because he just cant summarize his posts in so few words. I aslo assume his problem is with the term dirt. You need to get down with the Street lingo!!!!

Obviously i too prefer the whole 'intelligent posts only' approach which rambler is trying to achieve. I find this posts strike a greater sense of seriousness withh the addition of smilies. For example:

Role Play Situation for serious topic:

Banna Man: Lets be all serious now and talk about the economy and the direct affect it has with sponsorship within the Association in particular how will it cause differences to the development of junior members and their attitude towards committement.

Mournerambler: Blah blah blah blah blah  >:( furthermore blah blah blah :-\ i think blah blah ::) and blah ;D

Charlie Tully: We dont care as long as we can get 100% alcholised.

Mournerambler: Blah Blah take this serious like me, look my smilie is unhappy about that silly post of yours, look  :(


To be honest, anything posted recently is better that half the crap we read on here about the down management saga or fixture congestion, or whatever..... If people didnt post about what McGrath said it wouldnt have to be mentioned so get over it.

Look, now i have had to type a massive post to defend the newbies. Where is the Loughanisland game this weekend anyone

Fcuk I hate people who can't spell ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 18, 2009, 04:50:46 PM
Spelling is the least of my worries. I have a job so i generally use this as a little bit of RnR. I dont sit with it open all day to register a new post. Sometimes, can you believe, i dont look at it for a few days at a time. The down side i suppose of having a life and a job  :) Actually these smilies are quite addictive. The spelling hasnt stopped you responding in the past anyway so it is just another wee complaint in your empty world. You better make sure every post you have ever made has perfect spelling as i intend to go through them all just to a pinnicikety cu n t houre  8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 18, 2009, 04:54:54 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 18, 2009, 02:23:17 PM
And yet another newbie takes the bait :P

Yes you may post on my board ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 18, 2009, 05:21:49 PM
Come on. You cant say iv taken the bait when it is obvious i have been reading them posts and know plainly well that this is what you are going to do. Give me a break.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on November 18, 2009, 05:30:27 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 18, 2009, 04:54:54 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 18, 2009, 02:23:17 PM
And yet another newbie takes the bait :P

Yes you may post on my board ;D

This is how Mr Rambler has so many post he keeps using the same saying over and over
If i keep this up i will be a senior member soon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on November 18, 2009, 06:25:18 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 18, 2009, 04:27:16 PM

Look, now i have had to type a massive post to defend the newbies. Where is the Loughanisland game this weekend anyone

This Friday 8.00 pm at Newcastle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oldhacker on November 18, 2009, 11:58:41 PM
Kevin Bell is definitely standing down as county chairman, according to today's Irish News, and reading between the lines he is walking rather than facing the music at the convention. Ross would almost certainly have had a go, Pete has left no one in any doubt about his views on the selection process and James looks like a county manager who does not have the support of his own chairman before a ball is kicked. It's quite a mess, and presumably Seamus Walsh will be the man with the job of sorting it all out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 19, 2009, 12:14:51 PM
Quote from: Oldhacker on November 18, 2009, 11:58:41 PM
Kevin Bell is definitely standing down as county chairman, according to today's Irish News, and reading between the lines he is walking rather than facing the music at the convention. Ross would almost certainly have had a go, Pete has left no one in any doubt about his views on the selection process and James looks like a county manager who does not have the support of his own chairman before a ball is kicked. It's quite a mess, and presumably Seamus Walsh will be the man with the job of sorting it all out.

At last a sensible topic of conversation void off LOLs. Didn't see the article and am ignorant to the way these things work, is it up to the cubs to nominate? Or is it because Seamus is vice chair that the logical process would be to appoint him chairman? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 19, 2009, 01:21:26 PM
Clubs can nominate anyone who is willing to stand, but if they haven't shown the willingness and commitment to county-level administration in the past, picking up anything other than votes from friends is unlikely. If either Seamus Walsh or Brian McEvoy (the last 2 vice-chairmen) stand, then they're more than likely to get voted in. I'd be very happy with either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Dun 94 on November 19, 2009, 04:44:26 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 18, 2009, 01:26:35 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 18, 2009, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: An Dun 94 on November 18, 2009, 10:48:48 AM
Quote from: Banna Man on November 17, 2009, 12:49:58 PM
In my opinion the down website is crap take a look at other county websites and you will see.  :-[

100% right down website is dirt  >:(

Another quality & well thought out post from a newbie, I often wonder why a lot of  newbie post's are usually based on having a dig at someone or as this one show's, come from people with a severe lack of intelligence ???
It's not a d-ck measuring contest lad's, sometimes it makes sense to have a look at what you are posting, unless of course you are of Primary school age & just think it's great to be on the GAABoard, which would appear to be the case with some of the rubbish we have been reading recently, end of rant! :)

with 389 posts to his name mournerambler is the daddy of the gaaboard. how dare anyone new post anything. catch a grip of yourself man, free expression for everyone, you dont own the site.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Dun 94 on November 19, 2009, 04:53:22 PM
Im sorry i have offend you but at 16 years old DIRT is a word we use it is not my fault you are past it MOURNERAMBLER an by the way this is a form of bullying im just trying to have an opionion on the sport i love MUPPIT  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on November 20, 2009, 01:48:54 AM
I've been dirt, and I don't care.
I've been dirt, and I don't care.
Cause I'm burning inside, I'm just a yearning inside,
and I'm the fire of life.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 20, 2009, 10:22:54 AM
QuoteYawn! Same as before.
Administration is hardly something sexy, dashing or new.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 20, 2009, 10:23:22 AM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 09:54:15 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 19, 2009, 01:21:26 PM
Clubs can nominate anyone who is willing to stand, but if they haven't shown the willingness and commitment to county-level administration in the past, picking up anything other than votes from friends is unlikely. If either Seamus Walsh or Brian McEvoy (the last 2 vice-chairmen) stand, then they're more than likely to get voted in. I'd be very happy with either.
Yawn! Same as before.

Give us your alternative then Fairplay......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 20, 2009, 10:31:32 AM
How about a trip to the morgue and pick at random. Good luck finding someone in Down capable of running the country.

Personally I wouldnt attack Mr Bell's committment but to run an organisation like a county board successfully you need to have some sense of corporate leadership. Is there no business men on in the county who wants to get away from the nagging wife that could run the county.

Seamus Walsh is a decent man too but this chairman needs to be someone dominant and forceful. I would vote for Barrak Ob.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 20, 2009, 11:54:57 AM
Quote from: When We Win on November 20, 2009, 10:31:32 AM
How about a trip to the morgue and pick at random. Good luck finding someone in Down capable of running the country.

Personally I wouldnt attack Mr Bell's committment but to run an organisation like a county board successfully you need to have some sense of corporate leadership. Is there no business men on in the county who wants to get away from the nagging wife that could run the county.

Seamus Walsh is a decent man too but this chairman needs to be someone dominant and forceful. I would vote for Barrak Ob.

     Some of  our leading Club men. for example Brian Mc Geevy or John Brannigan and I'm sure there are others that would have been successful with their Clubs in the past but haven't entered the cauldron that is the CB.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 20, 2009, 12:21:58 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 12:10:07 PM
So according to WhenweWin the new Chairman would have to be married and be a business man.What about being a pioneer,an Irish speaker and whatever else? ::) ::)

They should also have a good, firm handshake if they're to be the leader of the county. Can't stand a limp handshake.
;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 20, 2009, 12:32:51 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 20, 2009, 12:21:58 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 12:10:07 PM
So according to WhenweWin the new Chairman would have to be married and be a business man.What about being a pioneer,an Irish speaker and whatever else? ::) ::)

They should also have a good, firm handshake if they're to be the leader of the county. Can't stand a limp handshake.
;)
So they have to be a Knight Of Columbanus also?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 20, 2009, 10:31:32 AM
How about a trip to the morgue and pick at random. Good luck finding someone in Down capable of running the country.Personally I wouldnt attack Mr Bell's committment but to run an organisation like a county board successfully you need to have some sense of corporate leadership. Is there no business men on in the county who wants to get away from the nagging wife that could run the county.

Seamus Walsh is a decent man too but this chairman needs to be someone dominant and forceful. I would vote for Barrak Ob.

Mary Mc Aleese is doing a good enough job, besides she has another two years in office.  :D

Barrack may be that dominant forceful figure but may have trouble convincing those in the "deep south" for votes. 

Indeed Fairplay, how do you make the chairman's job entertaining and a bit of craic ? Maybe the new "yawn" chairman could take a couple of these suggestions on board, Plant woopie cushions on members off the committee's seats, have them suck on helium balloons when discussing St Patrick's Park  ???. If you want some "yawn free" craic go to the empire comedy club and let the committee of this county try their best at running Down GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 20, 2009, 10:31:32 AM
How about a trip to the morgue and pick at random. Good luck finding someone in Down capable of running the country.Personally I wouldnt attack Mr Bell's committment but to run an organisation like a county board successfully you need to have some sense of corporate leadership. Is there no business men on in the county who wants to get away from the nagging wife that could run the county.

Seamus Walsh is a decent man too but this chairman needs to be someone dominant and forceful. I would vote for Barrak Ob.

Mary Mc Aleese is doing a good enough job, besides she has another two years in office.  :D

Barrack may be that dominant forceful figure but may have trouble convincing those in the "deep south" for votes. 

Indeed Fairplay, how do you make the chairman's job entertaining and a bit of craic ? Maybe the new "yawn" chairman could take a couple of these suggestions on board, Plant woopie cushions on members off the committee's seats, have them suck on helium balloons when discussing St Patrick's Park  ???. If you want some "yawn free" craic go to the empire comedy club and let the committee of this county try their best at running Down GAA.

   Did I strike a raw nerve there Dundrumite? Lighten up and maybe get some comedy yourself in the Empire(wherever that is?)

Not a raw nerve, just ignorant posters that contribute mere sh@@e, without thinking about what they are writing need to be challenged. If you care to look at the two words after the Empire that should give you a rough indication as to what it is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 20, 2009, 05:03:48 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 20, 2009, 10:31:32 AM
How about a trip to the morgue and pick at random. Good luck finding someone in Down capable of running the country.Personally I wouldnt attack Mr Bell's committment but to run an organisation like a county board successfully you need to have some sense of corporate leadership. Is there no business men on in the county who wants to get away from the nagging wife that could run the county.

Seamus Walsh is a decent man too but this chairman needs to be someone dominant and forceful. I would vote for Barrak Ob.

Mary Mc Aleese is doing a good enough job, besides she has another two years in office.  :D

Barrack may be that dominant forceful figure but may have trouble convincing those in the "deep south" for votes. 

Indeed Fairplay, how do you make the chairman's job entertaining and a bit of craic ? Maybe the new "yawn" chairman could take a couple of these suggestions on board, Plant woopie cushions on members off the committee's seats, have them suck on helium balloons when discussing St Patrick's Park  ???. If you want some "yawn free" craic go to the empire comedy club and let the committee of this county try their best at running Down GAA.

   Did I strike a raw nerve there Dundrumite? Lighten up and maybe get some comedy yourself in the Empire(wherever that is?)

Not a raw nerve, just ignorant posters that contribute mere sh@@e, without thinking about what they are writing need to be challenged. If you care to look at the two words after the Empire that should give you a rough indication as to what it is.

you are a real yawn dundrumshite. it has to be said. a real bore, i bet you were a prefect in school.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 05:17:53 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 20, 2009, 05:03:48 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 20, 2009, 10:31:32 AM
How about a trip to the morgue and pick at random. Good luck finding someone in Down capable of running the country.Personally I wouldnt attack Mr Bell's committment but to run an organisation like a county board successfully you need to have some sense of corporate leadership. Is there no business men on in the county who wants to get away from the nagging wife that could run the county.

Seamus Walsh is a decent man too but this chairman needs to be someone dominant and forceful. I would vote for Barrak Ob.

Mary Mc Aleese is doing a good enough job, besides she has another two years in office.  :D

Barrack may be that dominant forceful figure but may have trouble convincing those in the "deep south" for votes. 

Indeed Fairplay, how do you make the chairman's job entertaining and a bit of craic ? Maybe the new "yawn" chairman could take a couple of these suggestions on board, Plant woopie cushions on members off the committee's seats, have them suck on helium balloons when discussing St Patrick's Park  ???. If you want some "yawn free" craic go to the empire comedy club and let the committee of this county try their best at running Down GAA.

   Did I strike a raw nerve there Dundrumite? Lighten up and maybe get some comedy yourself in the Empire(wherever that is?)

Not a raw nerve, just ignorant posters that contribute mere sh@@e, without thinking about what they are writing need to be challenged. If you care to look at the two words after the Empire that should give you a rough indication as to what it is.

you are a real yawn dundrumshite. it has to be said. a real bore, i bet you were a prefect in school.

Look I am not going to get drawn into a war of words with the president off the I love Stevie Parson fanclub. Perhaps when you have fully gone through puberty someday you will post something witty or enlightening or yawn free.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 05:20:16 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 20, 2009, 10:31:32 AM
How about a trip to the morgue and pick at random. Good luck finding someone in Down capable of running the country.Personally I wouldnt attack Mr Bell's committment but to run an organisation like a county board successfully you need to have some sense of corporate leadership. Is there no business men on in the county who wants to get away from the nagging wife that could run the county.

Seamus Walsh is a decent man too but this chairman needs to be someone dominant and forceful. I would vote for Barrak Ob.

Mary Mc Aleese is doing a good enough job, besides she has another two years in office.  :D

Barrack may be that dominant forceful figure but may have trouble convincing those in the "deep south" for votes. 

Indeed Fairplay, how do you make the chairman's job entertaining and a bit of craic ? Maybe the new "yawn" chairman could take a couple of these suggestions on board, Plant woopie cushions on members off the committee's seats, have them suck on helium balloons when discussing St Patrick's Park  ???. If you want some "yawn free" craic go to the empire comedy club and let the committee of this county try their best at running Down GAA.

   Did I strike a raw nerve there Dundrumite? Lighten up and maybe get some comedy yourself in the Empire(wherever that is?)

Not a raw nerve, just ignorant posters that contribute mere sh@@e, without thinking about what they are writing need to be challenged. If you care to look at the two words after the Empire that should give you a rough indication as to what it is.
I didn't ask what it is,I asked wherever it is?

 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 05:23:42 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 05:20:16 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 20, 2009, 10:31:32 AM
How about a trip to the morgue and pick at random. Good luck finding someone in Down capable of running the country.Personally I wouldnt attack Mr Bell's committment but to run an organisation like a county board successfully you need to have some sense of corporate leadership. Is there no business men on in the county who wants to get away from the nagging wife that could run the county.

Seamus Walsh is a decent man too but this chairman needs to be someone dominant and forceful. I would vote for Barrak Ob.

Mary Mc Aleese is doing a good enough job, besides she has another two years in office.  :D

Barrack may be that dominant forceful figure but may have trouble convincing those in the "deep south" for votes. 

Indeed Fairplay, how do you make the chairman's job entertaining and a bit of craic ? Maybe the new "yawn" chairman could take a couple of these suggestions on board, Plant woopie cushions on members off the committee's seats, have them suck on helium balloons when discussing St Patrick's Park  ???. If you want some "yawn free" craic go to the empire comedy club and let the committee of this county try their best at running Down GAA.

   Did I strike a raw nerve there Dundrumite? Lighten up and maybe get some comedy yourself in the Empire(wherever that is?)

Not a raw nerve, just ignorant posters that contribute mere sh@@e, without thinking about what they are writing need to be challenged. If you care to look at the two words after the Empire that should give you a rough indication as to what it is.
I didn't ask what it is,I asked wherever it is?



Touche, my bad. Its 40-42 Botanic Avenue Belfast.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 05:29:06 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 05:25:52 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 05:23:42 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 05:20:16 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 20, 2009, 10:31:32 AM
How about a trip to the morgue and pick at random. Good luck finding someone in Down capable of running the country.Personally I wouldnt attack Mr Bell's committment but to run an organisation like a county board successfully you need to have some sense of corporate leadership. Is there no business men on in the county who wants to get away from the nagging wife that could run the county.

Seamus Walsh is a decent man too but this chairman needs to be someone dominant and forceful. I would vote for Barrak Ob.

Mary Mc Aleese is doing a good enough job, besides she has another two years in office.  :D

Barrack may be that dominant forceful figure but may have trouble convincing those in the "deep south" for votes. 

Indeed Fairplay, how do you make the chairman's job entertaining and a bit of craic ? Maybe the new "yawn" chairman could take a couple of these suggestions on board, Plant woopie cushions on members off the committee's seats, have them suck on helium balloons when discussing St Patrick's Park  ???. If you want some "yawn free" craic go to the empire comedy club and let the committee of this county try their best at running Down GAA.

   Did I strike a raw nerve there Dundrumite? Lighten up and maybe get some comedy yourself in the Empire(wherever that is?)

Not a raw nerve, just ignorant posters that contribute mere sh@@e, without thinking about what they are writing need to be challenged. If you care to look at the two words after the Empire that should give you a rough indication as to what it is.
I didn't ask what it is,I asked wherever it is?



Touche, my bad. Its 40-42 Botanic Avenue Belfast.

   I must pay it a visit some time I'm in the smoke for an evening.

Must say we have gone off on a real tangent here, but its actually a fookn great night out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 20, 2009, 05:56:27 PM
i blame the parents
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on November 20, 2009, 06:48:08 PM
Its well seen the season is over.  This thread has gone to pieces.  GAA board lads not a board to post pure thripe and slag each other off.

Any word on potential new county players?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 08:30:13 PM
Quote from: conormac on November 20, 2009, 06:48:08 PM
Its well seen the season is over.  This thread has gone to pieces.  GAA board lads not a board to post pure thripe and slag each other off.

Any word on potential new county players?
Anybody in mind yourself?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 20, 2009, 08:49:19 PM
Good luck to former Warrenpoint footballer Daragh Mc Meel who lines out at full back for Charlestown Sarsfields of Mayo in the Connacht club championship final this sunday when they tackle Corofin of Galway. Match to be shown live on TG4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 20, 2009, 08:55:54 PM
Anybody got the result from tonight's match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on November 20, 2009, 09:25:23 PM
match in injury time Leitrim 5pts up-not quite over
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on November 20, 2009, 09:28:20 PM
Leitrim win by 6 and retain division1 status for 2010
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on November 20, 2009, 11:16:20 PM
Gaelic Life should be good 2mro morning. A big interveiw with wee James in it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on November 20, 2009, 11:16:56 PM
Quote from: 13aside on November 20, 2009, 09:28:20 PM
Leitrim win by 6 and retain division1 status for 2010

so saval are down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 11:27:14 PM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on November 20, 2009, 11:16:20 PM
Gaelic Life should be good 2mro morning. A big interveiw with wee James in it.
Read it earlier today, was a good read, covering a broad range of topics from how the county board treated the as players in the early 90s to the Burren transfer. Interesting he regards 11 of his years at intercounty football as failures, speaks volumes about his mindset.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 21, 2009, 12:05:10 AM
Quote from: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on November 20, 2009, 11:16:56 PM
Quote from: 13aside on November 20, 2009, 09:28:20 PM
Leitrim win by 6 and retain division1 status for 2010

so saval are down?

Yeah Saval and Loughinisland are gone. Saval must be kicking themselves having let a five point lead slip with 4 minutes to go against Liatroim the first day. The fontenoys are relegation specialists and in their last two games deserved to survive. But it is only delaying the inevitable as they will really struggle in a ten team league next year. I thought OPrey, Doyle and Miceal McCartan where major players for them in the past few games. Loughinisland struggled without Jamie ORielly in attack and will badly miss him next year. Was very disapointed with Ben ORielly who is not playing the way he was capable off in the last few years while a number off other island players have lost a lot off confidence. Well done Liatroim who showed great delight at tonights conclusion with a celebratory team photograph. Pity there wasnt a cup for them to celebrate with.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on November 21, 2009, 09:41:23 AM
Yeah you could call it The Get Out Of Jail Cup-Oops sorry didn't mean to offend!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on November 21, 2009, 05:10:17 PM
Not something you'd think would be photograph-worthy...doubt that would be hung up in a social club..what would it say, ' Relegation surviver Div;1 2009'.... ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on November 21, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
Any word on U20's

Any teams declaring amalgamation. Dont think 'Ness have a team so I'd like to play for someone if possible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 21, 2009, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on November 21, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
Any word on U20's

Any teams declaring amalgamation. Dont think 'Ness have a team so I'd like to play for someone if possible.

already started, there was 5 in East Down, Bredagh, the Duff, DPK, Bryansford and C'wellan, they were then joined by St Marys, now i am not sure of this so maybe someone can confirm or deny this, its the same as last year with St Johns as well?

first games were last week, Bredagh v C'Wellan was off, the Duff drew with somebody, I cant remember. Bredagh v The Duff tomorrow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on November 21, 2009, 08:26:03 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on November 21, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
Any word on U20's

Any teams declaring amalgamation. Dont think 'Ness have a team so I'd like to play for someone if possible.
Unfortunately not as simple as that as once one outside player declares then the other team gives up the right to their name
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 21, 2009, 08:43:00 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 21, 2009, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on November 21, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
Any word on U20's

Any teams declaring amalgamation. Dont think 'Ness have a team so I'd like to play for someone if possible.

already started, there was 5 in East Down, Bredagh, the Duff, DPK, Bryansford and C'wellan, they were then joined by St Marys, now i am not sure of this so maybe someone can confirm or deny this, its the same as last year with St Johns as well?

first games were last week, Bredagh v C'Wellan was off, the Duff drew with somebody, I cant remember. Bredagh v The Duff tomorrow

Duff and Ford drew. Yep heard that the Johnnies have joined the other two teams, but thats not 100%
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on November 22, 2009, 04:33:56 PM
Bredagh just beat c'duff by a point in cherryvale
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 22, 2009, 04:48:58 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on November 22, 2009, 04:33:56 PM
Bredagh just beat c'duff by a point in cherryvale

any other results  from the u20s?

Bredagh v The Duff was a decent enought game, as expected it was a tight and competative, decent crowd there as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on November 22, 2009, 04:49:57 PM
Was anyone down at the Hurling Coaching day in Portaferry yesterday or hear any reports? I'd of liked to have gone but couldnt due to work, was a good coup getting those lads up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 22, 2009, 05:06:12 PM
I know that Bredagh and Caryduff were well represented, Kelly made it but I believe Tyrell was unalbe to make it due to the weather conditions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 22, 2009, 05:35:06 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 09:54:15 AM
  Yawn! Same as before.

Why don't you put your name forward then?



A lot of the county board frequently put in shockingly long hours, yet all they seem to get is grief.

To be honest, I don't know why they bother, far too much hassle from people on the sidelines sniping away. Those same people wouldn't be arsed putting in half of the time commitment needed.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on November 22, 2009, 06:24:59 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 22, 2009, 04:48:58 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on November 22, 2009, 04:33:56 PM
Bredagh just beat c'duff by a point in cherryvale

any other results  from the u20s?

Bredagh v The Duff was a decent enought game, as expected it was a tight and competative, decent crowd there as well
Downpatrick beat Bryansford by 2 or 3 though  were  short a few.
Worthy winners in a windspoilt match.
Ford kept in with a few handy won frees in seccond half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leg End on November 22, 2009, 11:54:57 PM
did the 2nd division relegation playoffs not go ahead today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 23, 2009, 09:35:51 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 05:23:42 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 05:20:16 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 20, 2009, 10:31:32 AM
How about a trip to the morgue and pick at random. Good luck finding someone in Down capable of running the country.Personally I wouldnt attack Mr Bell's committment but to run an organisation like a county board successfully you need to have some sense of corporate leadership. Is there no business men on in the county who wants to get away from the nagging wife that could run the county.

Seamus Walsh is a decent man too but this chairman needs to be someone dominant and forceful. I would vote for Barrak Ob.

Mary Mc Aleese is doing a good enough job, besides she has another two years in office.  :D

Barrack may be that dominant forceful figure but may have trouble convincing those in the "deep south" for votes. 

Indeed Fairplay, how do you make the chairman's job entertaining and a bit of craic ? Maybe the new "yawn" chairman could take a couple of these suggestions on board, Plant woopie cushions on members off the committee's seats, have them suck on helium balloons when discussing St Patrick's Park  ???. If you want some "yawn free" craic go to the empire comedy club and let the committee of this county try their best at running Down GAA.

   Did I strike a raw nerve there Dundrumite? Lighten up and maybe get some comedy yourself in the Empire(wherever that is?)

Not a raw nerve, just ignorant posters that contribute mere sh@@e, without thinking about what they are writing need to be challenged. If you care to look at the two words after the Empire that should give you a rough indication as to what it is.
I didn't ask what it is,I asked wherever it is?



Touche, my bad. Its 40-42 Botanic Avenue Belfast.

After the whole 'Dirt-Gate' scandle a few posts back, I wonder how this comment managed to slip through without being noticed. It's a shocking term. Such bad england. Oops  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on November 23, 2009, 09:57:45 AM
Quote from: Leg End on November 22, 2009, 11:54:57 PM
did the 2nd division relegation playoffs not go ahead today

no shamrocks got the match put back a week as some of their players were on a weekend away in england

match is this sunday at 2 in ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fairplay on November 23, 2009, 10:40:25 AM
Quote from: When We Win on November 23, 2009, 09:35:51 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 05:23:42 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 05:20:16 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 20, 2009, 10:31:32 AM
How about a trip to the morgue and pick at random. Good luck finding someone in Down capable of running the country.Personally I wouldnt attack Mr Bell's committment but to run an organisation like a county board successfully you need to have some sense of corporate leadership. Is there no business men on in the county who wants to get away from the nagging wife that could run the county.

Seamus Walsh is a decent man too but this chairman needs to be someone dominant and forceful. I would vote for Barrak Ob.

Mary Mc Aleese is doing a good enough job, besides she has another two years in office.  :D

Barrack may be that dominant forceful figure but may have trouble convincing those in the "deep south" for votes. 

Indeed Fairplay, how do you make the chairman's job entertaining and a bit of craic ? Maybe the new "yawn" chairman could take a couple of these suggestions on board, Plant woopie cushions on members off the committee's seats, have them suck on helium balloons when discussing St Patrick's Park  ???. If you want some "yawn free" craic go to the empire comedy club and let the committee of this county try their best at running Down GAA.

   Did I strike a raw nerve there Dundrumite? Lighten up and maybe get some comedy yourself in the Empire(wherever that is?)

Not a raw nerve, just ignorant posters that contribute mere sh@@e, without thinking about what they are writing need to be challenged. If you care to look at the two words after the Empire that should give you a rough indication as to what it is.
I didn't ask what it is,I asked wherever it is?



Touche, my bad. Its 40-42 Botanic Avenue Belfast.

After the whole 'Dirt-Gate' scandle a few posts back, I wonder how this comment managed to slip through without being noticed. It's a shocking term. Such bad england. Oops  ;D

  Shocking indeed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 23, 2009, 01:10:15 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 23, 2009, 10:40:25 AM
Quote from: When We Win on November 23, 2009, 09:35:51 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 05:23:42 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 05:20:16 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 20, 2009, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2009, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 20, 2009, 10:31:32 AM
How about a trip to the morgue and pick at random. Good luck finding someone in Down capable of running the country.Personally I wouldnt attack Mr Bell's committment but to run an organisation like a county board successfully you need to have some sense of corporate leadership. Is there no business men on in the county who wants to get away from the nagging wife that could run the county.

Seamus Walsh is a decent man too but this chairman needs to be someone dominant and forceful. I would vote for Barrak Ob.

Mary Mc Aleese is doing a good enough job, besides she has another two years in office.  :D

Barrack may be that dominant forceful figure but may have trouble convincing those in the "deep south" for votes. 

Indeed Fairplay, how do you make the chairman's job entertaining and a bit of craic ? Maybe the new "yawn" chairman could take a couple of these suggestions on board, Plant woopie cushions on members off the committee's seats, have them suck on helium balloons when discussing St Patrick's Park  ???. If you want some "yawn free" craic go to the empire comedy club and let the committee of this county try their best at running Down GAA.

   Did I strike a raw nerve there Dundrumite? Lighten up and maybe get some comedy yourself in the Empire(wherever that is?)

Not a raw nerve, just ignorant posters that contribute mere sh@@e, without thinking about what they are writing need to be challenged. If you care to look at the two words after the Empire that should give you a rough indication as to what it is.
I didn't ask what it is,I asked wherever it is?



Touche, my bad. Its 40-42 Botanic Avenue Belfast.

After the whole 'Dirt-Gate' scandle a few posts back, I wonder how this comment managed to slip through without being noticed. It's a shocking term. Such bad england. Oops  ;D

  Shocking indeed.

ooops, again my bad  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 23, 2009, 01:22:14 PM
Quote from: maldini on November 23, 2009, 09:57:45 AM
Quote from: Leg End on November 22, 2009, 11:54:57 PM
did the 2nd division relegation playoffs not go ahead today

no shamrocks got the match put back a week as some of their players were on a weekend away in england

match is this sunday at 2 in ballykinlar

Was that a stag weekend? Might lend some more support to the conspiracy theory off a poster here, (NO1 maybe?).
Title: Conspiracy
Post by: No1 on November 23, 2009, 01:39:06 PM
It is my opinion that Shamrocks have had more hurling and football fixtures postponed/cancelled/put on hold this season without a valid reason than any other club in the county.

If that makes me a conspiracy theorist then fair enough!

I'd love to know what they have on the county board.

The Ballyholland boys will agree that they are a horrible shower anyway.   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 23, 2009, 02:53:06 PM
Why did Darragh Cross even accommodate the match being put back a week? I mean if half your team plays on county squads then z league game must still go on. Yet if half the team want to go on a piss-up to that England hole then the game is cancelled. Why?!? If i were on the fixtures panel and to save myself the grief, i would set the fixture and say to the teams the game has to be played, even if they both dont want to.
Its a case of the tail wagging the dog in Down because nothing the County Board do has any backbone or substance. There was a deadline date set for games to be played, not met. There was a byelaw set to govern the playoffs, screwed up there. A few boys want a holiday, no bother lads, sure play on Christmas Day.
I agree with No 1. A complete shower them Shamrocks. Just play the fricking game. The Ulster Final is on next week, maybe they will want to go and watch that then head to the outlet for a bit of Christmas shopping........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 23, 2009, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 18, 2009, 04:50:46 PM
Spelling is the least of my worries. I have a job so i generally use this as a little bit of RnR. I dont sit with it open all day to register a new post. Sometimes, can you believe, i dont look at it for a few days at a time. The down side i suppose of having a life and a job  :) Actually these smilies are quite addictive. The spelling hasnt stopped you responding in the past anyway so it is just another wee complaint in your empty world. You better make sure every post you have ever made has perfect spelling as i intend to go through them all just to a pinnicikety c* n t houre  8)

Did you get paid off When We Win?
After two posts in the same working day from the 'neutral Darragh Cross supporter' who professes to having a life & a job (I'm also fortunate to have both despite your assumptions) this would appear to be the case & given your chastising of myself last week it does pay to practice what you preach!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 23, 2009, 04:24:58 PM
AMallon, could you check your PM please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 23, 2009, 06:03:15 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 23, 2009, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 18, 2009, 04:50:46 PM
Spelling is the least of my worries. I have a job so i generally use this as a little bit of RnR. I dont sit with it open all day to register a new post. Sometimes, can you believe, i dont look at it for a few days at a time. The down side i suppose of having a life and a job  :) Actually these smilies are quite addictive. The spelling hasnt stopped you responding in the past anyway so it is just another wee complaint in your empty world. You better make sure every post you have ever made has perfect spelling as i intend to go through them all just to a pinnicikety c* n t houre  8)

Did you get paid off When We Win?
After two posts in the same working day from the 'neutral Darragh Cross supporter' who professes to having a life & a job (I'm also fortunate to have both despite your assumptions) this would appear to be the case & given your chastising of myself last week it does pay to practice what you preach!

As i previously quoted your a right auld pernicikety sack. I would hardly rate my two previous posts as obsessive gaaboard stalking (my word for what your thinking). First post was this morning when i got into the office after a weekend of 'working for free' helping friends, and i thought i would just check out the craic of the weekend. Second post was during my lunch break after a two hour meeting. Some people say you are allowed to relax during this time and use it as you will. Bit different from your instant replies to messages. Maybe you have to much time on your hands hoovering the house!!! Is this board the only time your allowed to have an opinion in your life and the fact that its not verbal, it gives you the moral high ground of thinking your right.

As for the Darragh Cross bit, i have seen more carryduff games this year than Darragh games. In fact i have seen more St. Galls games being a previous club. None of my posts have been bias towards them. And given that i live in the area i think it does no harm to follow the club my kids will attend. Can i have permission to go to the next play of match. I might even have something to say about it if allowed!!!

I know what the rambler bit in your name stands for now. I originally though it was cause you liked walking on the mournes, but now i know its because you enjoy walking on them with the rambling of complete sh1te coming out.

Cant believe you wait impatiently to give of about my two posts and you just cant wait until a day comes when i do a few posts together that would make your comment worthwhile. Sorry about the spelling but if there is a three year old near you they will be able to explain the gist of this post!!! Pull yourself together you unhappy sod. Im heading home now. Hopefully you approve.

Where do we get them??? By the way your post doesnt read two well. The bit after the bracket seems to get lost in your thought trial. Back to the drawing board  8) (wee icon here for you)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 23, 2009, 07:11:40 PM
When We Win, I quite enjoy the aggresiveness that you try to put across through your daft posts, to be honest I think you should have the name rambler integrated into your handle, i've never read as much sh-te & you have the balls to say that I am a 'rambler' on this board.
I look forward to another multiple paragraphed daft reply from you when your on lunch after another busy meeting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 23, 2009, 07:23:48 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 22, 2009, 11:20:14 PM
    Looking at your own contributions on here  and you're not too bad at giving grief yourself along with a bit of sniping .

Outside of scandalous refereeing performances, I tend to refrain from criticising volunteer members of the association.


I'm sure you can of course bring up some posts to support your case...?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 24, 2009, 09:23:35 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on November 23, 2009, 07:11:40 PM
When We Win, I quite enjoy the aggresiveness that you try to put across through your daft posts, to be honest I think you should have the name rambler integrated into your handle, i've never read as much sh-te & you have the balls to say that I am a 'rambler' on this board.
I look forward to another multiple paragraphed daft reply from you when your on lunch after another busy meeting.

And he takes the bait blah blah blah. Dumbass.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 24, 2009, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: No1 on November 23, 2009, 01:39:06 PM
It is my opinion that Shamrocks have had more hurling and football fixtures postponed/cancelled/put on hold this season without a valid reason than any other club in the county.

If that makes me a conspiracy theorist then fair enough!

I'd love to know what they have on the county board.

The Ballyholland boys will agree that they are a horrible shower anyway.   ;D


Match called off last sunday without Darragh Cross' permission. Reason given was that Shamrocks players were goin to the races in England.Not a club function or anything,just a day on the beer. Can anyone on here imagine ringing the county board and sayin you cant play that day because the players are goin on the piss?Also heard a rumour that Shamrocks couldn't play this week cos their players had to steward at ulster club final,haha
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on November 24, 2009, 05:18:48 PM
the biggest joke is that today on the down site they hav changed sundays match (prob due to pressure from shamrocks) to an 11am throw in in An Riocht.
thats darragh's whole season coming down to a match at 11 o clock on a sunday morning, their players wud hav to meet before 9am!!
also kilkeel is 10 miles outside newry, its an hour and a quarters drive from darragh cross to an riocht.

The way these play offs hav been handled is making a complete farce of the whole season. why were some teams made to play 3 matches inside a week to get the league finished before a certain date and now 6 weeks on we still haven't got play offs finished up??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 24, 2009, 05:31:04 PM
Can't see An Riocht pitch being playable on Sunday given the amount of rain we've had this past while, have to say the 11am throw-in is a bit of a joke alright, would Ballymartin not have been a more central venue for both teams + there would be more chance of Ballymartin being playable than Dunavil?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on November 24, 2009, 05:37:32 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on November 24, 2009, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: No1 on November 23, 2009, 01:39:06 PM
It is my opinion that Shamrocks have had more hurling and football fixtures postponed/cancelled/put on hold this season without a valid reason than any other club in the county.

If that makes me a conspiracy theorist then fair enough!

I'd love to know what they have on the county board.

The Ballyholland boys will agree that they are a horrible shower anyway.   ;D


Match called off last sunday without Darragh Cross' permission. Reason given was that Shamrocks players were goin to the races in England.Not a club function or anything,just a day on the beer. Can anyone on here imagine ringing the county board and sayin you cant play that day because the players are goin on the piss?Also heard a rumour that Shamrocks couldn't play this week cos their players had to steward at ulster club final,haha

In my humble oppinion i think Shamrocks are putting off this game as long as they can because the longer it is put off the longer they longer to stay in Div. 2. It is a disgrace that a City club with this history and size can not make it into Div. 1. may i asked is there any good players in newry or have they all moved or has a foreign sport taken over
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on November 24, 2009, 05:55:46 PM
think match now moved to Newcastle. an riocht pitch in perfect condition by the way
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 24, 2009, 06:13:27 PM
Match now 12.30 in Newcastle.
Only becuase Darragh told the CB that they will not be goin to An Riocht.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on November 24, 2009, 06:47:03 PM
ballykinlar would be the best venue, similar distance from both clubs and a good pitch for this time of year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on November 24, 2009, 09:11:33 PM
Anybody know how the county trials have been going? what players where called up??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Yes I Would on November 24, 2009, 09:33:59 PM
Quote from: maldini on November 24, 2009, 05:18:48 PM
the biggest joke is that today on the down site they hav changed sundays match (prob due to pressure from shamrocks) to an 11am throw in in An Riocht.
thats darragh's whole season coming down to a match at 11 o clock on a sunday morning, their players wud hav to meet before 9am!!
also kilkeel is 10 miles outside newry, its an hour and a quarters drive from darragh cross to an riocht.

The way these play offs hav been handled is making a complete farce of the whole season. why were some teams made to play 3 matches inside a week to get the league finished before a certain date and now 6 weeks on we still haven't got play offs finished up??

What road do you use?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 25, 2009, 10:43:21 AM
Quote from: Yes I Would on November 24, 2009, 09:33:59 PM
Quote from: maldini on November 24, 2009, 05:18:48 PM
the biggest joke is that today on the down site they hav changed sundays match (prob due to pressure from shamrocks) to an 11am throw in in An Riocht.
thats darragh's whole season coming down to a match at 11 o clock on a sunday morning, their players wud hav to meet before 9am!!
also kilkeel is 10 miles outside newry, its an hour and a quarters drive from darragh cross to an riocht.

The way these play offs hav been handled is making a complete farce of the whole season. why were some teams made to play 3 matches inside a week to get the league finished before a certain date and now 6 weeks on we still haven't got play offs finished up??

What road do you use?

Its 18 miles and about 25 min drive. Still a lot shorter than 40 miles from Darragh Cross and an hour and 15 min drive, depending on how many grandads will be out for a sunday spin.

Good decision though to change it to Newcastle although i would have thought Ballykinler would have been the best pitch in the county at present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on November 25, 2009, 11:24:09 AM
the match is now back in AnRiocht at 2pm on sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on November 25, 2009, 01:21:12 PM
best pitch in the county!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on November 25, 2009, 01:47:02 PM
Saw this over on Hogan Stand thought it could be worth a look. Here's my thoughts

1. County player of the Year - Danny Hughes

2. County match of the Year - God Knows

3. Club match of the Year - Glenn V Bosco JFC Quarter Final Replay

4. Club Team of the Year - Kilcoo

5. Favourite venue in the County - Pairc Esler

6. Least Favourite venue in the County - Ardtole

7. Best supporters in the County - ??

8. Worst Supporters in the County - Don't want to offend anyone. Ardglass obviously. Also seen Kilclief on a few occasions and they hold nothing back

9. Nicest club strip in the County - Wouldn't have a clue

10. Ugliest strip in the County - Glasdrumman

11. Favourite overall moment of 2009 (Intercounty) - ??

12. Favourite moment of 2009 (Club) - Winning JFC

13. Club of the year - Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 25, 2009, 02:28:42 PM
Compare the Down approach to appointing intercounty managers to other successful counties eg Tyrone

The under 21 appointment of Neil Collins as manager is an absolute disgrace !!!

I have to  wonder what experience of managing teams he has?

how many matches he actually goes to?

is he a member of the gaa?

what coaching qualifications he has?

Would a similar appointment be made in Tyrone?

the gael takes no prisoners!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 25, 2009, 04:20:44 PM
yes its a disgrace, travesty of justice, it shouldnt be allowed, terrible appointmnet, burn him at the stake, cast him out of the county, how dare he take up such an appointment.

gabshite!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 25, 2009, 04:29:23 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 25, 2009, 02:28:42 PM
Compare the Down approach to appointing intercounty managers to other successful counties eg Tyrone

The under 21 appointment of Neil Collins as manager is an absolute disgrace !!!

I have to  wonder what experience of managing teams he has?

how many matches he actually goes to?

is he a member of the gaa?

what coaching qualifications he has?

Would a similar appointment be made in Tyrone?

the gael takes no prisoners!!

is this for real?is he new manager?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 25, 2009, 04:29:42 PM
Neil Collins is the new U-21 manager with Tom 'Harry' Potter, Paddy Hardy and Brendan McKernan in his backroom team.

The Minor management has also been re-appointed for a sixth term.

Any posters attend the annual Christmas Pantomine otherwise known as the East Down Convention?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 25, 2009, 04:45:52 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 25, 2009, 04:29:42 PM

Any posters attend the annual Christmas Pantomine otherwise known as the East Down Convention?

Hurling Convention is tonight. Same circus, different clowns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on November 25, 2009, 05:35:35 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 25, 2009, 02:28:42 PM
I have to  wonder what experience of managing teams he has?

how many matches he actually goes to?

is he a member of the gaa?

what coaching qualifications he has?

Would a similar appointment be made in Tyrone?
1He hasn't managed anything other than possibly an underage side.
2The relevance of that is questioable, bodering on ridiculous.
3 Definatley See above
4 I'm not 100% sure but if he gets experience thats as much qualification as anything.
5 Not too sure, why don't you follow them instead if they're so well Run.

Anytime Ive talked to him he's got opinions about Down football, and I believe he watched the U21 AIF. Tom Potter is a decent coach, not a manager though, maybe Neill can put Tom's well drilled players into a winning formula, time will tell.

But Down U20's havent even trained yet, and they're manager is being ridiculed? Why didn't you apply if Neil is so unqualified.

And also He must have impressed, as I know several good managers with experience applied and were overlooked.

So calm the jets, give it time, feel free to complain if they flop in Ulster.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 25, 2009, 07:41:37 PM
Worse news is the reappointment of the minor management.Dear oh dear.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 25, 2009, 07:50:06 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 25, 2009, 07:41:37 PM
Worse news is the reappointment of the minor management.Dear oh dear.

They got to Minor AISF with a team, which as far as I am aware, has a high number of players available next year. Logical enough decision, I would have thought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on November 25, 2009, 09:10:15 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on November 25, 2009, 01:47:02 PM
Saw this over on Hogan Stand thought it could be worth a look. Here's my thoughts

1. County player of the Year - Danny Hughes

2. County match of the Year - God Knows

3. Club match of the Year - Glenn V Bosco JFC Quarter Final Replay

4. Club Team of the Year - Kilcoo

5. Favourite venue in the County - Pairc Esler

6. Least Favourite venue in the County - Ardtole

7. Best supporters in the County - ??

8. Worst Supporters in the County - Don't want to offend anyone. Ardglass obviously. Also seen Kilclief on a few occasions and they hold nothing back

9. Nicest club strip in the County - Wouldn't have a clue

10. Ugliest strip in the County - Glasdrumman

11. Favourite overall moment of 2009 (Intercounty) - ??

12. Favourite moment of 2009 (Club) - Winning JFC

13. Club of the year - Kilcoo
Some interesting thoughts here Minus. Here are mine

1. County player of the Year - Danny Hughes - had a very good season

2. County match of the Year - Down vs Queens (I had split loyalties)

3. Club match of the Year - Glenn V Bosco JFC Quarter Final Replay - best game of the year (pity there had to be a loser)

4. Club Team of the Year - Kilcoo - certs (had their luck in Down semi but played great in final and were so unlucky in Ulster clubs)

5. Favourite venue in the County - Pairc Esler

6. Least Favourite venue in the County - Love going everywhere  ;D

7. Best supporters in the County -anyone who coaches, referees and administers at any level.  They support our great association

8. Worst Supporters in the County - we all can be

9. Nicest club strip in the County - Your own club strip

10. Ugliest strip in the County - Your own club strip after a bad loss!

11. Favourite overall moment of 2009 (Intercounty) - Last few minutes of Ulster Under 21 final

12. Favourite moment of 2009 (Club) - getting promoted

13. Club of the year - Kilcoo - deserve great credit for the work they have done at all levels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 25, 2009, 09:22:38 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on November 25, 2009, 05:35:35 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 25, 2009, 02:28:42 PM
I have to  wonder what experience of managing teams he has?

how many matches he actually goes to?

is he a member of the gaa?

what coaching qualifications he has?

Would a similar appointment be made in Tyrone?
1He hasn't managed anything other than possibly an underage side.
2The relevance of that is questioable, bodering on ridiculous.
3 Definatley See above
4 I'm not 100% sure but if he gets experience thats as much qualification as anything.
5 Not too sure, why don't you follow them instead if they're so well Run.

Anytime Ive talked to him he's got opinions about Down football, [u]and I believe he watched the U21 AIF[/u]. Tom Potter is a decent coach, not a manager though, maybe Neill can put Tom's well drilled players into a winning formula, time will tell.

But Down U20's havent even trained yet, and they're manager is being ridiculed? Why didn't you apply if Neil is so unqualified.

And also He must have impressed, as I know several good managers with experience applied and were overlooked.

So calm the jets, give it time, feel free to complain if they flop in Ulster.




Dont know how this qualifies him or what particular relevance this has,if he was any sort of Down man then off course he would have watched them in an All-Ireland final.
Dont know the man so cant comment on his suitability for the role,anyone else apply for job?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on November 25, 2009, 09:44:25 PM
Heard a few div 1 managers had their name in the pot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 25, 2009, 11:11:51 PM
I think the under 21 management should be judged on their panel selection and ability to go places in 2010. The management has many impressive young players at their disposal and i would have high hopes for the 2010 team. The minor management made a balls with the same bunch off players it has to be remembered.
I am surprised at the selection as Neil Collins as manager but good luck to him and i hope he and his team pick the best panel available and have a successful term. But i think he shouldnt be written off before he starts however surprising his selection is and shall be judged on his ability to select the best players available and creating a winning formula with them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on November 26, 2009, 10:51:41 AM
Mid Down ofcourse they should be judged that way. My issue is how in the name of God he got the job.He has zero managerial track record bar a little with div 4 annsborough!!!!
I am told he is not even a member of the gaa .
He would be laughed at if he went for any decent club job he hasn't the cv and it is absolutely ludicrous that he was appointed in the first place!
Things need to be done properly could you imagine him getting a managerial job with any top club team - no way he just hasn't the experience.As a long time follower of Down football club and county I have never seen him at a game. Yes he might go to the silly nostalgic functions about the 90 s teams and plays the great respectable game of golf with old teammates - yawn yawn but he isn't a football man he hasn't got the experience!It is madness to have appointed him ! He probably is a nice fella but going straight in as a county under 21 manager is madness beyond belief !
How in 2009 can such appointments be made at least mc cartan did his time served his apprenticeship so to speak with queens , burren, st galls and ballinderry but collins has not - this is a serious issue ans this should not have happened!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 26, 2009, 11:02:39 AM
Quote from: thegael on November 26, 2009, 10:51:41 AM
Mid Down ofcourse they should be judged that way. My issue is how in the name of God he got the job.He has zero managerial track record bar a little with div 4 annsborough!!!!
I am told he is not even a member of the gaa .
He would be laughed at if he went for any decent club job he hasn't the cv and it is absolutely ludicrous that he was appointed in the first place!
Things need to be done properly could you imagine him getting a managerial job with any top club team - no way he just hasn't the experience.As a long time follower of Down football club and county I have never seen him at a game. Yes he might go to the silly nostalgic functions about the 90 s teams and plays the great respectable game of golf with old teammates - yawn yawn but he isn't a football man he hasn't got the experience!It is madness to have appointed him ! He probably is a nice fella but going straight in as a county under 21 manager is madness beyond belief !
How in 2009 can such appointments be made at least mc cartan did his time served his apprenticeship so to speak with queens , burren, st galls and ballinderry but collins has not - this is a serious issue ans this should not have happened!

I totally agree with you on the shock appointment with no track record. I would never have predicted him as manager off any team never mind the county under 21s. I just hope the top players are selected because this team has great potential, only if best players are on and are managed well. I can imagine many Carryduff men being on the squad and other better players in the county left out which would be wrong. I attend many club and county games and have not seen him or Potter present at too many.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 26, 2009, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 26, 2009, 10:51:41 AM
Mid Down ofcourse they should be judged that way. My issue is how in the name of God he got the job.He has zero managerial track record bar a little with div 4 annsborough!!!!
I am told he is not even a member of the gaa .
He would be laughed at if he went for any decent club job he hasn't the cv and it is absolutely ludicrous that he was appointed in the first place!
Things need to be done properly could you imagine him getting a managerial job with any top club team - no way he just hasn't the experience.As a long time follower of Down football club and county I have never seen him at a game. Yes he might go to the silly nostalgic functions about the 90 s teams and plays the great respectable game of golf with old teammates - yawn yawn but he isn't a football man he hasn't got the experience!It is madness to have appointed him ! He probably is a nice fella but going straight in as a county under 21 manager is madness beyond belief !
How in 2009 can such appointments be made at least mc cartan did his time served his apprenticeship so to speak with queens , burren, st galls and ballinderry but collins has not - this is a serious issue ans this should not have happened!

Mr & Mrs Neil Collins are Life Members of Ath Bhriain GLC and he regularly attends our games. He has assisted many clubs and county teams in the past on a voluntarily basis without hesitation - he wanted the job and got it - now get over it and support the guy.
Paddy Hardy, Tom Potter & Brendan Mckernan are a good backroom team and their knowledge will be invaluable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 26, 2009, 01:12:54 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on November 26, 2009, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 26, 2009, 10:51:41 AM
Mid Down ofcourse they should be judged that way. My issue is how in the name of God he got the job.He has zero managerial track record bar a little with div 4 annsborough!!!!
I am told he is not even a member of the gaa .
He would be laughed at if he went for any decent club job he hasn't the cv and it is absolutely ludicrous that he was appointed in the first place!
Things need to be done properly could you imagine him getting a managerial job with any top club team - no way he just hasn't the experience.As a long time follower of Down football club and county I have never seen him at a game. Yes he might go to the silly nostalgic functions about the 90 s teams and plays the great respectable game of golf with old teammates - yawn yawn but he isn't a football man he hasn't got the experience!It is madness to have appointed him ! He probably is a nice fella but going straight in as a county under 21 manager is madness beyond belief !
How in 2009 can such appointments be made at least mc cartan did his time served his apprenticeship so to speak with queens , burren, st galls and ballinderry but collins has not - this is a serious issue ans this should not have happened!

Mr & Mrs Neil Collins are Life Members of Ath Bhriain GLC and he regularly attends our games. He has assisted many clubs and county teams in the past on a voluntarily basis without hesitation - he wanted the job and got it - now get over it and support the guy.
Paddy Hardy, Tom Potter & Brendan Mckernan are a good backroom team and their knowledge will be invaluable.

I hesitated to enter this debate for fear of giving any of the unfair comments credibility.I can vouch for all the above about Neil,but in addition would describe him as a genuine and charismatic football man.He is very knowledgeable about the game and having played with him  many years ago would describe him as a genuine leader on and off the field.He played with minimum fuss and maximum intelligence.I resent anyone questioning his committment to the GAA,as I know of his voluntary contribution to the GAA at club,school and county level.His backroom team is excellent,and as regards his coaching qualifications,I doubt if Joe Kernan,Mickey Harte,Paidi O'Se or indeed  the successful U21 manager of the last 2 years,Pete McGrath have up to date coaching qualifications.Neil is selected as a manager not a coach,and who better to assist him than last year's All-Ireland finalist coach,for continuity.His backroom team consists of an immensely dedicated and knowledgeable All-Ireland winner from Burren,last years u20 champs.Tom Potter is also a qualified dedicated coach with knowledge of players through the development squads.While Paddy Hardy's record speaks for itself.While Neil and Paddy have a handle on players from Mid-Down,Brendan and Tom will bring South and North Down knowledge of players.Maybe,I'm missing something here,but what more do we want? Given that 5 out of the top 6 managers in ACFL Div 1 are from outside the county,I think we can hardly claim that there is a long list of outstanding candidates out there.In any event regardless of some posters' reservations about selection of management for county teams,it's not going to change,and I for  one would like to wish all incoming managers and coaches all the best for 2010,and thank them for offering their services to our county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 26, 2009, 01:20:30 PM
My tuppence.

Neil Collins achieved more or less everything in football that an aspiring county player could want to. So as long as he is a good speaker, a good motivator, and is willing to assign the training, coaching and scouting as appropriate, then he should be as suitable as any candidate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 26, 2009, 02:50:42 PM
Anyody any footage/clippings regarding St Malachy's All Ireland U-16 Vocational Schools victory in 1982 or the Down Juniors All Ireland triumph in 1946?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 26, 2009, 03:12:54 PM
With regard to the Under 21 appointment, let it be. He will not be everyones choice, he will more than like be quite a few other peoples choice. And there will be a few who dont care either way. I doubt someone with no knowledge of the game would take up the appointment and it is unfair for someone to question his cv based on the theory that they were not seen at such and such a game. There are plenty of knowlegable people sit at home and watch matches on the TV. Just because you dont attend does not mean you have got no idea on football. I think there is plenty on the panel to get the right results.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on November 26, 2009, 03:59:22 PM
I dont think Collins deserves this sort of personal abuse before he has even started his job

good luck to him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 26, 2009, 04:13:56 PM
Quote from: fairplay on November 26, 2009, 03:46:45 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on November 26, 2009, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 26, 2009, 10:51:41 AM
Mid Down ofcourse they should be judged that way. My issue is how in the name of God he got the job.He has zero managerial track record bar a little with div 4 annsborough!!!!
I am told he is not even a member of the gaa .
He would be laughed at if he went for any decent club job he hasn't the cv and it is absolutely ludicrous that he was appointed in the first place!
Things need to be done properly could you imagine him getting a managerial job with any top club team - no way he just hasn't the experience.As a long time follower of Down football club and county I have never seen him at a game. Yes he might go to the silly nostalgic functions about the 90 s teams and plays the great respectable game of golf with old teammates - yawn yawn but he isn't a football man he hasn't got the experience!It is madness to have appointed him ! He probably is a nice fella but going straight in as a county under 21 manager is madness beyond belief !
How in 2009 can such appointments be made at least mc cartan did his time served his apprenticeship so to speak with queens , burren, st galls and ballinderry but collins has not - this is a serious issue ans this should not have happened!

Mr & Mrs Neil Collins are Life Members of Ath Bhriain GLC and he regularly attends our games. He has assisted many clubs and county teams in the past on a voluntarily basis without hesitation - he wanted the job and got it - now get over it and support the guy.
Paddy Hardy, Tom Potter & Brendan Mckernan are a good backroom team and their knowledge will be invaluable.
I believe you when you say about NC being a Life Member but is he an active member of the GAA?  I doubt not-I have never seen him at Club game at league Div 1 and 2  nor  at Club Championship matches  unless he attends Div 3 or 4 matches. I have never witnessed him at a County  NL game or at a Senior Championship game.
    Who were the others interested in the post?

No disrespect to you fairplay,but I have attended many county and club games-the fact that I don't see any particular individual at a game,does not mean he wasn't there,and even if he wasn't,that he is unfit to take a county team.Maybe we should devise some sort of clocking in system,whereby any prospective county managers over the next 10 years,report to yourself and "the gael" at all club and county games,to confirm their attendance.Maybe we should ask Sean Rooney to stagger all club games throughout the county over each weekend to enable potential candidates to see all games held in the county,just in case any future All Star might slip through the net.No,it's time to start living in the real world, and get on with the business of getting Down back to the top.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 26, 2009, 04:28:22 PM
When asked, Neil Collins always came down to Dundrum to help out with the training of our goalkeepers. He also seemed to me to be a very articulate man.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 26, 2009, 05:01:12 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 26, 2009, 10:51:41 AM
Mid Down ofcourse they should be judged that way. My issue is how in the name of God he got the job.He has zero managerial track record bar a little with div 4 annsborough!!!!
I am told he is not even a member of the gaa .
He would be laughed at if he went for any decent club job he hasn't the cv and it is absolutely ludicrous that he was appointed in the first place!
Things need to be done properly could you imagine him getting a managerial job with any top club team - no way he just hasn't the experience.As a long time follower of Down football club and county I have never seen him at a game. Yes he might go to the silly nostalgic functions about the 90 s teams and plays the great respectable game of golf with old teammates - yawn yawn but he isn't a football man he hasn't got the experience!It is madness to have appointed him ! He probably is a nice fella but going straight in as a county under 21 manager is madness beyond belief !
How in 2009 can such appointments be made at least mc cartan did his time served his apprenticeship so to speak with queens , burren, st galls and ballinderry but collins has not - this is a serious issue ans this should not have happened!

did you get passed over for the job buddy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on November 26, 2009, 07:12:47 PM
If Mickey Harte wasn't a member of the GAA he would loose all his tactical knowledge and understanding of the game!

Don't talk balls. Member or not its suitability.

And Ive never, ever seen Ross Carr or POR at a game. So of course, they weren't there, and the selectors couldnt have been there if he wasn't. Apparently ::)

Really the view that being a member of the GAA is key to understanding anything about the Football or that they have to be seen at a game by yourself is a load of rubbish.

I hope he wins Ulster and proves The Gael very wrong.

Also why are people suggesting Down have a good chance this year. Last years team did very well to get to the final and played very good football and, at times, above themselves. Quickly thinking, a lot of the top quality players are gone.

If Neil Delivers and Ulster, its a job well done IMO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 26, 2009, 07:26:46 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on November 26, 2009, 07:12:47 PM
If Mickey Harte wasn't a member of the GAA he would loose all his tactical knowledge and understanding of the game!

Don't talk balls. Member or not its suitability.

And Ive never, ever seen Ross Carr or POR at a game. So of course, they weren't there, and the selectors couldnt have been there if he wasn't. Apparently ::)

Really the view that being a member of the GAA is key to understanding anything about the Football or that they have to be seen at a game by yourself is a load of rubbish.

I hope he wins Ulster and proves The Gael very wrong.

Also why are people suggesting Down have a good chance this year. Last years team did very well to get to the final and played very good football and, at times, above themselves. Quickly thinking, a lot of the top quality players are gone.

If Neil Delivers and Ulster, its a job well done IMO

Paddy ORourke dosent attend games? well you mustened be at too many because Paddy is a regular attender at games. Many off last years team and subs are stil underage and there are many new additions available, if selected. I really have high hopes and again all the best to Neil and his management team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on November 26, 2009, 07:41:18 PM
I sarcastically insinuated that because I don't see these guys at games when they are county manager, they musnt be there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on November 26, 2009, 08:53:22 PM
My experience of Neil Collins is that he is an intelligent,articulate,organised and determined man who has a wealth of experience and knowledge of Gaelic football behind him.lets not have endless drivel about the appointments and wish them well and let them get on with it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on November 27, 2009, 09:00:23 AM
Anything happen at any of the Divisional Conventions? Who are running for the main offices at the County Convention?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 27, 2009, 11:55:24 AM
Quote from: fairplay on November 26, 2009, 03:46:45 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on November 26, 2009, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 26, 2009, 10:51:41 AM
Mid Down ofcourse they should be judged that way. My issue is how in the name of God he got the job.He has zero managerial track record bar a little with div 4 annsborough!!!!
I am told he is not even a member of the gaa .
He would be laughed at if he went for any decent club job he hasn't the cv and it is absolutely ludicrous that he was appointed in the first place!
Things need to be done properly could you imagine him getting a managerial job with any top club team - no way he just hasn't the experience.As a long time follower of Down football club and county I have never seen him at a game. Yes he might go to the silly nostalgic functions about the 90 s teams and plays the great respectable game of golf with old teammates - yawn yawn but he isn't a football man he hasn't got the experience!It is madness to have appointed him ! He probably is a nice fella but going straight in as a county under 21 manager is madness beyond belief !
How in 2009 can such appointments be made at least mc cartan did his time served his apprenticeship so to speak with queens , burren, st galls and ballinderry but collins has not - this is a serious issue ans this should not have happened!

Mr & Mrs Neil Collins are Life Members of Ath Bhriain GLC and he regularly attends our games. He has assisted many clubs and county teams in the past on a voluntarily basis without hesitation - he wanted the job and got it - now get over it and support the guy.
Paddy Hardy, Tom Potter & Brendan Mckernan are a good backroom team and their knowledge will be invaluable.
I believe you when you say about NC being a Life Member but is he an active member of the GAA?  I doubt not-I have never seen him at Club game at league Div 1 and 2  nor  at Club Championship matches  unless he attends Div 3 or 4 matches. I have never witnessed him at a County  NL game or at a Senior Championship game.
    Who were the others interested in the post?

Get a life ffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on November 29, 2009, 03:47:38 PM
Was Neil involved in management of any of Queens Sigerson sides ?

I'd say he will be Ok . Knowledge of varsity form as important as club games at U-21 level...and backroom can cover the other no uni lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on November 29, 2009, 04:18:22 PM
how did the Darragh Cross v Shamrocks game go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on November 29, 2009, 04:52:35 PM
F-T - Shamrocks 3-7 (16) Darragh Cross 1-11 (14)
H-T - Shamrocks 2-4 Darragh Cross 0-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on November 29, 2009, 04:53:12 PM
Down website gives win by 2 for Shamrocks,wasn't there but saw St.Galls demolish Loup by 16 pts to 5(i think all frees).A good all round performance from a hard working outfit-congratulations to them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 29, 2009, 07:52:30 PM
any u20 scores? Bredagh v Bryansford diddnt happen, no ref turned up but apparently he was doing the line at the Marshes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on November 29, 2009, 08:11:23 PM
could some one please post wat way the leagues r shaping up next year after promotion/relegations seems to be finished now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on November 29, 2009, 08:33:47 PM
2010

Div 1

Mayobridge
Rostrevor
Clonduff
Burren
Liatroim
Longstone
An Riocht
Castlewellan
Bryansford
Kilcoo

Div 2

Saval
Loughinisland
Tullylish
Shamrocks
Ballyholland
Kilclief
Warrenpoint
Downpatrick
Attical
Annaclone
Ballymartin
Clann na Banna

Div 3

Darragh Cross
Glasdrumman
Bredagh
Drumaness
Carryduff
Drumgath
Saul
Dundrum
Glenn
St. john's
Bosco
Ardglass

Div 4

Teconnaught
Dromara
Aughlisnafin
Ballykinlar
Mitchels
St. Paul's
Aghaderg
Bright
St. Michael's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on November 29, 2009, 10:01:32 PM
did u20 football games go ahead and any results from the weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 29, 2009, 10:29:04 PM
Darragh down today. An ageing team that may struggle to get back to Division 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on November 29, 2009, 10:51:38 PM
thanks minus 15
in my eye div 2 looks set to be very competitive
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on November 29, 2009, 11:33:52 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on November 29, 2009, 10:51:38 PM
thanks minus 15
in my eye div 2 looks set to be very competitive
Very competitive indeed with 3 to go down next year again.
Should be some very tight affairs over the season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downman on November 30, 2009, 12:32:15 AM
was anyone at the shamrocks game? any reports?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on November 30, 2009, 09:46:40 AM
darragh played most of the better football in the first half but 2 attacks up field led to goals for shamrocks, shamrocks got an early goal in the 2nd half and were in control but a late comeback for darragh made it an exciting finish, they got it back to a point in it with a goal, had a shout for a penalty in the last minute for a block with the feet but the south down ref was never going to give it against the newry side.

the pitch at an riocht was terrible, bumpy surface and long grass - still dont know why of all the grounds in down the CB took it there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 30, 2009, 10:09:12 AM
Darragh Cross will be kicking themselves that they didnt win this one. They were probably the better team for much of the game but will rue three goal gifts to Shamrocks. A goal straight after half time seemed to be the nail in the coffin for Darragh especially as they were playing into a gail force wind but the dominated from then onwards. Shamrocks played welll against the wind in the first half and the fact they got the two goal probably made life a little easier in the second half. Darragh kept in the game with a a few good frees with wind advantage but could have been doing with a bit more luck around the middle of the park. Ref also gave them little despite some dubious tackling from the shamrocks. Last minute of the game Darragh were denied what looked like a deserved penalty when their forward was shooting for goal and was foot blocked. The ref was rubbish. One of the Darragh players was virtually assulted just before half time and nothing happened despite the presence of 4 neutral linesmen. Newry corner forward was also throwing his weight about but was left licking his own wounds in the second half after coming out second best in a scuffle he started. I heard at the game that he is a bit of a thug after what happened at a previous game.

As for the game itself, it was a decent perforemance from Darragh playing some good football in the conditions but Newry looked the hungrier in the first half and will be glad to get over this one. The pitch looked terrible and as though the cows have been on it for the past few weeks. Its a shame there is not a flat pitch in the county that this game could be played on.

As for the comment about the age of the Darragh players, i was looking at the intermediate final programme and the majority of the playens and in their early to mid twenties. Would hardly say they are an aging team. There is probably three players at most getting to their pasture time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on November 30, 2009, 12:00:45 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 29, 2009, 07:52:30 PM
any u20 scores? Bredagh v Bryansford diddnt happen, no ref turned up but apparently he was doing the line at the Marshes.

Exactly what happened - a complete joke and insult to both teams and management - Bredagh travelled to Newcastle for nothing. East Down board should be made reinburse their costs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 30, 2009, 01:05:26 PM
Any word on the new Down panel, I heard the two Clarkes have made it!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on November 30, 2009, 01:47:07 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 30, 2009, 01:05:26 PM
Any word on the new Down panel, I heard the two Clarkes have made it!!!!!

heard jackie lynch is gone along with magic and big michael magee.

Quote from: spiritof91and94 on November 30, 2009, 12:00:45 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 29, 2009, 07:52:30 PM
any u20 scores? Bredagh v Bryansford diddnt happen, no ref turned up but apparently he was doing the line at the Marshes.

Exactly what happened - a complete joke and insult to both teams and management - Bredagh travelled to Newcastle for nothing. East Down board should be made reinburse their costs.

it was decent of bryansford to allow bredagh to train on the pitch after the game was called off

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on November 30, 2009, 01:49:00 PM
in relation to the shamrocks game, is it true the referee was changed for it? the CB wouldn't want division three football being played in pairc esler maybe.....?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on November 30, 2009, 03:16:03 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on November 30, 2009, 01:49:00 PM
in relation to the shamrocks game, is it true the referee was changed for it? the CB wouldn't want division three football being played in pairc esler maybe.....?

Once again Shamrocks survive the cull. Is it true DJ is lining out for shamrocks next year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 30, 2009, 03:25:48 PM
Quote from: 13aside on November 29, 2009, 10:01:32 PM
did u20 football games go ahead and any results from the weekend?

Burren won the SD u20 final against clonduff
Mayobridge won the B final by 3 against Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 30, 2009, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 29, 2009, 10:29:04 PM
Darragh down today. An ageing team that may struggle to get back to Division 2.

DX have 3 players over 30,started 2 minors in the relegation playoffs who both did well,and have good set of 16s movin up into minor next year so i wouldnt worry about age DF.
Div 3 will be tough for all teams next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on November 30, 2009, 04:46:26 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 30, 2009, 10:09:12 AM
Darragh Cross will be kicking themselves that they didnt win this one. They were probably the better team for much of the game but will rue three goal gifts to Shamrocks. A goal straight after half time seemed to be the nail in the coffin for Darragh especially as they were playing into a gail force wind but the dominated from then onwards. Shamrocks played welll against the wind in the first half and the fact they got the two goal probably made life a little easier in the second half. Darragh kept in the game with a a few good frees with wind advantage but could have been doing with a bit more luck around the middle of the park. Ref also gave them little despite some dubious tackling from the shamrocks. Last minute of the game Darragh were denied what looked like a deserved penalty when their forward was shooting for goal and was foot blocked. The ref was rubbish. One of the Darragh players was virtually assulted just before half time and nothing happened despite the presence of 4 neutral linesmen. Newry corner forward was also throwing his weight about but was left licking his own wounds in the second half after coming out second best in a scuffle he started. I heard at the game that he is a bit of a thug after what happened at a previous game.
As for the game itself, it was a decent perforemance from Darragh playing some good football in the conditions but Newry looked the hungrier in the first half and will be glad to get over this one. The pitch looked terrible and as though the cows have been on it for the past few weeks. Its a shame there is not a flat pitch in the county that this game could be played on.
As for the comment about the age of the Darragh players, i was looking at the intermediate final programme and the majority of the playens and in their early to mid twenties. Would hardly say they are an aging team. There is probably three players at most getting to their pasture time.


u raise some interesting points here, yeah the shamrocks number 15 (who scored one of the goals and a few points) assaulted a cross man earlier in the season off the ball knocking out his tooth, the county disciplinary committee failed to take any action, despite the fact that the county secretary was at the game and only yards from the incident and said after the game that he saw it happening.

on the pitch - there are plenty of flat pitches about that it could have been played on - Ballykinlar, Mayobridge, Downpatrick??

these arent excuses for the defeat, shamrocks took their chances and won the game fairly, just a few points id like to bring up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 30, 2009, 05:25:37 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on November 30, 2009, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 29, 2009, 10:29:04 PM
Darragh down today. An ageing team that may struggle to get back to Division 2.

DX have 3 players over 30,started 2 minors in the relegation playoffs who both did well,and have good set of 16s movin up into minor next year so i wouldnt worry about age DF.
Div 3 will be tough for all teams next year.

Gerard Marks, Sean Timoney, Fintan Murray, Paddy Murray, Pat McMahon, Dermot Timoney, Mark Canavan, Eugene Murray, Tom McMahon, Gareth McGovern and Liam Sloan must all be at least 30 or over. To me that looks like an ageing panel.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 30, 2009, 05:43:31 PM
Must say if I was from Darragh, I woud be very annoyed with the whole situation surounding that play off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on November 30, 2009, 05:58:33 PM
Quote from: maldini on November 30, 2009, 04:46:26 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 30, 2009, 10:09:12 AM
Darragh Cross will be kicking themselves that they didnt win this one. They were probably the better team for much of the game but will rue three goal gifts to Shamrocks. A goal straight after half time seemed to be the nail in the coffin for Darragh especially as they were playing into a gail force wind but the dominated from then onwards. Shamrocks played welll against the wind in the first half and the fact they got the two goal probably made life a little easier in the second half. Darragh kept in the game with a a few good frees with wind advantage but could have been doing with a bit more luck around the middle of the park. Ref also gave them little despite some dubious tackling from the shamrocks. Last minute of the game Darragh were denied what looked like a deserved penalty when their forward was shooting for goal and was foot blocked. The ref was rubbish. One of the Darragh players was virtually assulted just before half time and nothing happened despite the presence of 4 neutral linesmen. Newry corner forward was also throwing his weight about but was left licking his own wounds in the second half after coming out second best in a scuffle he started. I heard at the game that he is a bit of a thug after what happened at a previous game.
As for the game itself, it was a decent perforemance from Darragh playing some good football in the conditions but Newry looked the hungrier in the first half and will be glad to get over this one. The pitch looked terrible and as though the cows have been on it for the past few weeks. Its a shame there is not a flat pitch in the county that this game could be played on.
As for the comment about the age of the Darragh players, i was looking at the intermediate final programme and the majority of the playens and in their early to mid twenties. Would hardly say they are an aging team. There is probably three players at most getting to their pasture time.


u raise some interesting points here, yeah the shamrocks number 15 (who scored one of the goals and a few points) assaulted a cross man earlier in the season off the ball knocking out his tooth, the county disciplinary committee failed to take any action, despite the fact that the county secretary was at the game and only yards from the incident and said after the game that he saw it happening.
on the pitch - there are plenty of flat pitches about that it could have been played on - Ballykinlar, Mayobridge, Downpatrick??

these arent excuses for the defeat, shamrocks took their chances and won the game fairly, just a few points id like to bring up

You mean Mr see no evil speak no evil hear no evil He is the three monkeys all right
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 30, 2009, 06:13:43 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 30, 2009, 01:05:26 PM
Any word on the new Down panel, I heard the two Clarkes have made it!!!!!

There is a meeting off the new panel tonight. from what i hear its going to be a large squad and trimmed at a later stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on November 30, 2009, 06:14:45 PM
Wrong again Down Fanatic,most of fellas you mentioned are between 27 and 30,when players are reckoned to be in their prime.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on November 30, 2009, 08:39:54 PM
What we talkin about

u raise some interesting points here, yeah the shamrocks number 15 (who scored one of the goals and a few points) assaulted a cross man earlier in the season off the ball knocking out his tooth, the county disciplinary committee failed to take any action, despite the fact that the county secretary was at the game and only yards from the incident and said after the game that he saw it happening.
on the pitch - there are plenty of flat pitches about that it could have been played on - Ballykinlar, Mayobridge, Downpatrick??

these arent excuses for the defeat, shamrocks took their chances and won the game fairly, just a few points id like to bring up
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You mean Mr see no evil speak no evil hear no evil He is the three monkeys all right
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on November 30, 2009, 08:42:50 PM
Lol anyone booked there hotel in Dublin for september yet.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on December 01, 2009, 09:33:43 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 30, 2009, 05:25:37 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on November 30, 2009, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 29, 2009, 10:29:04 PM
Darragh down today. An ageing team that may struggle to get back to Division 2.

DX have 3 players over 30,started 2 minors in the relegation playoffs who both did well,and have good set of 16s movin up into minor next year so i wouldnt worry about age DF.
Div 3 will be tough for all teams next year.

Gerard Marks, Sean Timoney, Fintan Murray, Paddy Murray, Pat McMahon, Dermot Timoney, Mark Canavan, Eugene Murray, Tom McMahon, Gareth McGovern and Liam Sloan must all be at least 30 or over. To me that looks like an ageing panel.

From oldest to youngest:
Pat McMahon
Tom McMahon
Fintan Murray
Gareth McGovern
Dermot Timoney
Sean Timoney
Mark Canavan
Gerard Marks
Liam Sloan
Eugene Murray
Paddy Murray

From Sean Timoney down they are in their 20's. Pat didnt play in the final game and the other old boys i would have say got the upper hands. I would say most teams in div 1 have pleanty of boys around this age in their squad. Maybe there is going to be a senior player cul this year. Be a bit like the mad cow scenario where we could get a few quid for each one we trade in  :) Sure is the average age of Crossmaglen not in about 30 for that matter. No comparing Darragh Cross to Crossmaglen on this point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 01, 2009, 04:06:55 PM
Any word on the down panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 01, 2009, 04:49:48 PM
Heard there is four Kilcoo, six from Burren,and  three from the bridge!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 01, 2009, 06:32:16 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 01, 2009, 04:06:55 PM
Any word on the down panel?

T OHare got that correct. Panel off 45 there last night with under 21s not considered at this stage. Mickey Magee is stil involved although Jackie Lynch, John Fegan and Jason Brown are not selected. By the sounds off it Mickey Walsh will be the bridges 4th representative when recovered from a recent operation. Burren having six men is a joke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 01, 2009, 06:40:06 PM
Can anyone confirm that Frank Dawson has replaced Barton as manager off Burren?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on December 01, 2009, 06:50:16 PM
two clarkes, big jamie colgan and brendy mac from An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 01, 2009, 07:41:56 PM
Frank Dawson has indeed replaced Barton at Burren.
I think he will do well there.

im guessing the 6 Burren men on county are:
1 Ciaran Mc Govern.
2 Declan Rooney
3 James Mc Govern.
4 Kevin Mc Kernan.
5 Our Daniel?
6 AN OTHER?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on December 01, 2009, 07:44:34 PM
Any word if theres many bryansford players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 01, 2009, 07:49:47 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 01, 2009, 07:41:56 PM
Frank Dawson has indeed replaced Barton at Burren.
I think he will do well there.

im guessing the 6 Burren men on county are:
1 Ciaran Mc Govern.
2 Declan Rooney
3 James Mc Govern.
4 Kevin Mc Kernan.
5 Our Daniel?
6 AN OTHER?

Gerard McCartan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 01, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 01, 2009, 07:44:34 PM
Any word if theres many bryansford players

Timmy Hanna, Conor Maginn and Stephen Toner
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on December 01, 2009, 07:56:16 PM
Calium King....???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on December 01, 2009, 08:07:10 PM
Who?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 01, 2009, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 01, 2009, 07:41:56 PM
Frank Dawson has indeed replaced Barton at Burren.
I think he will do well there.

im guessing the 6 Burren men on county are:
1 Ciaran Mc Govern.
2 Declan Rooney
3 James Mc Govern.
4 Kevin Mc Kernan.
5 Our Daniel?
6 AN OTHER?

McCartan is only in the job two minutes and idiots like you have already started the nepotism theories.

It was the same with Aidan Carr. He's only there because his dad his the manager. Heard that type of bollocks time and time again.

Unfortunately, your one of the Down supporters who probably want us to fail and no doubt when Dan McCartan gets his first taste of action you will be playing your nepotism card again.

Arsehole.

P.S - Anyone have a picture of the 1987 Down All Ireland Minor team. Need it ASAP.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on December 01, 2009, 08:59:52 PM
When is asap
There is a good colour photo in RGU clubrooms I think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on December 01, 2009, 09:01:01 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 01, 2009, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 01, 2009, 07:41:56 PM
Frank Dawson has indeed replaced Barton at Burren.
I think he will do well there.

im guessing the 6 Burren men on county are:
1 Ciaran Mc Govern.
2 Declan Rooney
3 James Mc Govern.
4 Kevin Mc Kernan.
5 Our Daniel?
6 AN OTHER?

McCartan is only in the job two minutes and idiots like you have already started the nepotism theories.

It was the same with Aidan Carr. He's only there because his dad his the manager. Heard that type of bollocks time and time again.

Unfortunately, your one of the Down supporters who probably want us to fail and no doubt when Dan McCartan gets his first taste of action you will be playing your nepotism card again.

Arsehole.

P.S - Anyone have a picture of the 1987 Down All Ireland Minor team. Need it ASAP.



Well said. Daniel is def. worth his place in the squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 01, 2009, 09:05:24 PM
Quote from: norabeag on December 01, 2009, 08:59:52 PM
When is asap
There is a good colour photo in RGU clubrooms I think

The next few days would be grand, tomorrow would be superb.

Also, anybody have pictures of the Red High's 1977 All Ireland B winning team and the St Malachys, Castlewellan, 1982 All Ireland Vocational Schools champs and the Down Junior team of 1946 that won the All Ireland JFC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 01, 2009, 09:24:23 PM
Quote from: The Worker on December 01, 2009, 09:01:01 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 01, 2009, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 01, 2009, 07:41:56 PM
Frank Dawson has indeed replaced Barton at Burren.
I think he will do well there.

im guessing the 6 Burren men on county are:
1 Ciaran Mc Govern.
2 Declan Rooney
3 James Mc Govern.
4 Kevin Mc Kernan.
5 Our Daniel?
6 AN OTHER?

McCartan is only in the job two minutes and idiots like you have already started the nepotism theories.

It was the same with Aidan Carr. He's only there because his dad his the manager. Heard that type of bollocks time and time again.

Unfortunately, your one of the Down supporters who probably want us to fail and no doubt when Dan McCartan gets his first taste of action you will be playing your nepotism card again.

Arsehole.

P.S - Anyone have a picture of the 1987 Down All Ireland Minor team. Need it ASAP.



Well said. Daniel is def. worth his place in the squad.

Time will tell weather he is good enough. He had a poor enough year for Burren but if he can rediscover his tight marking strengths from his QUB days then he will be an addition. Against us 3 times this year he strugged badly. I hope he delivers as the Down defence needs improvement. I really think Ross shouldnt have dropped Daniel after 2008 as he done ok. Maybe he lost confidence from this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on December 01, 2009, 10:47:31 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on December 01, 2009, 09:24:23 PM
Quote from: The Worker on December 01, 2009, 09:01:01 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 01, 2009, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 01, 2009, 07:41:56 PM
Frank Dawson has indeed replaced Barton at Burren.
I think he will do well there.

im guessing the 6 Burren men on county are:
1 Ciaran Mc Govern.
2 Declan Rooney
3 James Mc Govern.
4 Kevin Mc Kernan.
5 Our Daniel?
6 AN OTHER?

McCartan is only in the job two minutes and idiots like you have already started the nepotism theories.

It was the same with Aidan Carr. He's only there because his dad his the manager. Heard that type of bollocks time and time again.

Unfortunately, your one of the Down supporters who probably want us to fail and no doubt when Dan McCartan gets his first taste of action you will be playing your nepotism card again.

Arsehole.

P.S - Anyone have a picture of the 1987 Down All Ireland Minor team. Need it ASAP.



Well said. Daniel is def. worth his place in the squad.

Time will tell weather he is good enough. He had a poor enough year for Burren but if he can rediscover his tight marking strengths from his QUB days then he will be an addition. Against us 3 times this year he strugged badly. I hope he delivers as the Down defence needs improvement. I really think Ross shouldnt have dropped Daniel after 2008 as he done ok. Maybe he lost confidence from this.

In fairness the defence has been a real weak link this past 5years or so, why not give him a chance.... who are the kilcoo one's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 01, 2009, 10:47:53 PM
sorry if that came across as a pisstake or being a smart arse but i wasnt intending to be. im dead serious, I think Dan should be on the panel no quiestions asked.
Just dont go jumping down my f*ckin throat because i referred to him as Our Daniel.

By the way, im no arsehole.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 01, 2009, 11:25:40 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 01, 2009, 10:47:53 PM
sorry if that came across as a pisstake or being a smart arse but i wasnt intending to be. im dead serious, I think Dan should be on the panel no quiestions asked.
Just dont go jumping down my f*ckin throat because i referred to him as Our Daniel.

By the way, im no arsehole.

Thats that cleared up then. Just try to be a bit more clear about your points. They can be easily misconstrued  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on December 01, 2009, 11:39:46 PM
We've the panel and a few words from James today (Wednesday) on the back of the Newry Reporter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on December 02, 2009, 08:53:37 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on December 01, 2009, 06:32:16 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 01, 2009, 04:06:55 PM
Any word on the down panel?

T OHare got that correct. Panel off 45 there last night with under 21s not considered at this stage. Mickey Magee is stil involved although Jackie Lynch, John Fegan and Jason Brown are not selected. By the sounds off it Mickey Walsh will be the bridges 4th representative when recovered from a recent operation. Burren having six men is a joke.

Any Clonduff players make the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 02, 2009, 09:10:52 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 01, 2009, 09:05:24 PM
Quote from: norabeag on December 01, 2009, 08:59:52 PM
When is asap
There is a good colour photo in RGU clubrooms I think

The next few days would be grand, tomorrow would be superb.

Also, anybody have pictures of the Red High's 1977 All Ireland B winning team and the St Malachys, Castlewellan, 1982 All Ireland Vocational Schools champs and the Down Junior team of 1946 that won the All Ireland JFC?

pm me re The Redhigh picture,if u can't get it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 02, 2009, 09:38:17 AM
can someone post up the article and the panel from the paper if possible please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on December 02, 2009, 01:30:55 PM
Come on Out in Front, give us the squad at least.

Promise I'll buy the paper later  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on December 02, 2009, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on December 01, 2009, 07:51:12 PM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 01, 2009, 07:44:34 PM
Any word if theres many bryansford players

Timmy Hanna, Conor Maginn and Stephen Toner

Would Hanna not be going with UUJ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on December 02, 2009, 03:20:50 PM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 01, 2009, 10:47:31 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on December 01, 2009, 09:24:23 PM
Quote from: The Worker on December 01, 2009, 09:01:01 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 01, 2009, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 01, 2009, 07:41:56 PM
Frank Dawson has indeed replaced Barton at Burren.
I think he will do well there.

im guessing the 6 Burren men on county are:
1 Ciaran Mc Govern.
2 Declan Rooney
3 James Mc Govern.
4 Kevin Mc Kernan.
5 Our Daniel?
6 AN OTHER?

McCartan is only in the job two minutes and idiots like you have already started the nepotism theories.

It was the same with Aidan Carr. He's only there because his dad his the manager. Heard that type of bollocks time and time again.

Unfortunately, your one of the Down supporters who probably want us to fail and no doubt when Dan McCartan gets his first taste of action you will be playing your nepotism card again.

Arsehole.

P.S - Anyone have a picture of the 1987 Down All Ireland Minor team. Need it ASAP.



Well said. Daniel is def. worth his place in the squad.

Time will tell weather he is good enough. He had a poor enough year for Burren but if he can rediscover his tight marking strengths from his QUB days then he will be an addition. Against us 3 times this year he strugged badly. I hope he delivers as the Down defence needs improvement. I really think Ross shouldnt have dropped Daniel after 2008 as he done ok. Maybe he lost confidence from this.

In fairness the defence has been a real weak link this past 5years or so, why not give him a chance.... who are the kilcoo one's

has he not already had several chances?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on December 02, 2009, 04:09:33 PM
Obviously he is one of the stand out defenders in the county for his club last year !!



                                             the gael takes no prisoners!!



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 02, 2009, 04:16:34 PM
From someone on the Hogan Stand:

Brendan McVeigh, Decky Alder, Ciaran Gordan, Michael McAllister Martin Cole, Stevie Toner, Dan McCartan, Liam Lennon, Kevin Duffin, Declan Rooney, Kieran McGovern, Damien Rafferty, Aidan Brannigan, Mark Doran, Paul Murphy, Gerard McCartan, Conor Garvey, Sean Parr, Kevin McKernan, James Colgan, Timmy Hanna, liam Doyle, Darren Cunningham, Dan Gordan, Ambrose Rodgers, Paul Greenan, Martin McClean, Peter Fitzpatrick, Kevin Anderson, Conor Maginn, Brendan McArdle, Martin Clarke, Mark Poland, Ronan Sexton, Danny Hughes, Stephen Kearney, Aidan Carr, James McGovern, Paul McComiskey, Benny Coulter, Conor Laverty, John Clarke, Ronan Murtagh & Michael Magee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on December 02, 2009, 04:56:03 PM
mmmmm few strange inclusions there!
why do we need four goalkeepers in the panel?
6 Burren men?
No John Fegan who was a starter last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on December 02, 2009, 05:02:33 PM
For those who live too far away to get the Newry Reporter, a few selected quotes from James McCartan -

"We have this number of players involved at this stage [44] but we have to downsize for the National League at the beginning of February so we have to get the panel down to 36," said McCartan.
"Obviously we'll want to win our Dr McKenna Cup games but we will be trying players out and give them an opportunity to prove themselves.
"A limited number of players can be named on the McKenna Cup panel so basically we'll be having a trial game before the start of the McKenna Cup and if we don't get through in the McKenna we'll certainly be having a trial at the end of it and that potentially will be six games where we'll be trying to give everyone a fair chance. Between now and National League everyone will get a fair crack."

"There are some players who made themselves unavailable for various reasons, which was disappointing but you have to respect their decision and perhaps somewhere down the line they may be interested again."
McCartan acknowledged that along with Paddy Tally and Brian McIvor, they've had a good response to what they have been doing so far.
"Well I hope it's been positive, it seems to have been from where we are sitting," he said. "But I suppose the proof in the pudding will be when that panel goes out and people get a look at it and decide if we've got the players on board to move forward or not."


Down Squad - Brendan McVeigh (An Riocht), Declan Alder (Carryduff), Ciaran Gordon (Loughinisland), Michael McAlister (Clan na Banna), Martin Cole (Rostrevor), Stevie Toner (Bryansford), Dan McCartan (Burren), Liam Lennon (Castlewellan), Kevin Duffin (Castlewellan), Declan Rooney (Burren), Kieran McGovern (Burren), Damien Rafferty (Shamrocks), Aidan Brannigan (Kilcoo), Mark Doran (Longstone), Paul Murphy (Ballyholland), Gerard McCartan (Burren), Conor Garvey (Mayobridge), Sean Parr (Rostrevor), Kevin McKernan (Burren), James Colgan (An Riocht), Timmy Hanna (Bryansford), Liam Doyle (Liatroim), Darren Cunningham (Saval), Dan Gordon (Loughinisland), Ambrose Rogers (Longstone), Paul Greenan (Kilcoo), Martin McClean (Kilcoo), Peter Fitzpatrick (Ballymartin), Kevin Anderson (Aghaderg), Conor Maginn (Bryansford), Brendan McArdle (Annaclone), Martin Clarke (An Riocht), Mark Poland (Longstone), Ronan Sexton (Mayobridge), Danny Hughes (Saval), Stephen Kearney (Saval), Aidan Carr (Clonduff), James McGovern (Burren), Paul McCumiskey (Dundrum)
Benny Coulter (Mayobridge), Conor Laverty (Kilcoo), John Clarke (An Riocht), Ronan Murtagh (Ballyholland), Michael Magee (Ardglass).

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 02, 2009, 05:31:00 PM
4 from An Riocht?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 02, 2009, 05:56:44 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 02, 2009, 05:31:00 PM
4 from An Riocht?

Deservedly so in my view. 3 top players in Colgan and the two Clarkes while McVeigh is a first class keeper.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 02, 2009, 06:02:30 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on December 02, 2009, 05:02:33 PM
For those who live too far away to get the Newry Reporter, a few selected quotes from James McCartan -

"We have this number of players involved at this stage [44] but we have to downsize for the National League at the beginning of February so we have to get the panel down to 36," said McCartan.
"Obviously we'll want to win our Dr McKenna Cup games but we will be trying players out and give them an opportunity to prove themselves.
"A limited number of players can be named on the McKenna Cup panel so basically we'll be having a trial game before the start of the McKenna Cup and if we don't get through in the McKenna we'll certainly be having a trial at the end of it and that potentially will be six games where we'll be trying to give everyone a fair chance. Between now and National League everyone will get a fair crack."

"There are some players who made themselves unavailable for various reasons, which was disappointing but you have to respect their decision and perhaps somewhere down the line they may be interested again."
McCartan acknowledged that along with Paddy Tally and Brian McIvor, they've had a good response to what they have been doing so far.
"Well I hope it's been positive, it seems to have been from where we are sitting," he said. "But I suppose the proof in the pudding will be when that panel goes out and people get a look at it and decide if we've got the players on board to move forward or not."


Down Squad - Brendan McVeigh (An Riocht), Declan Alder (Carryduff), Ciaran Gordon (Loughinisland), Michael McAlister (Clan na Banna), Martin Cole (Rostrevor), Stevie Toner (Bryansford), Dan McCartan (Burren), Liam Lennon (Castlewellan), Kevin Duffin (Castlewellan), Declan Rooney (Burren), Kieran McGovern (Burren), Damien Rafferty (Shamrocks), Aidan Brannigan (Kilcoo), Mark Doran (Longstone), Paul Murphy (Ballyholland), Gerard McCartan (Burren), Conor Garvey (Mayobridge), Sean Parr (Rostrevor), Kevin McKernan (Burren), James Colgan (An Riocht), Timmy Hanna (Bryansford), Liam Doyle (Liatroim), Darren Cunningham (Saval), Dan Gordon (Loughinisland), Ambrose Rogers (Longstone), Paul Greenan (Kilcoo), Martin McClean (Kilcoo), Peter Fitzpatrick (Ballymartin), Kevin Anderson (Aghaderg), Conor Maginn (Bryansford), Brendan McArdle (Annaclone), Martin Clarke (An Riocht), Mark Poland (Longstone), Ronan Sexton (Mayobridge), Danny Hughes (Saval), Stephen Kearney (Saval), Aidan Carr (Clonduff), James McGovern (Burren), Paul McCumiskey (Dundrum)
Benny Coulter (Mayobridge), Conor Laverty (Kilcoo), John Clarke (An Riocht), Ronan Murtagh (Ballyholland), Michael Magee (Ardglass).

Surprised to see Kieran Gordan named as no other under 21s have got a trial. Strong panel selected by we James and co. Competition for places on the squad will be fierce and with a half dozen under 21 hopefuls stil to be considered at a later stage. Shamrocks are well down on their representatives under the new management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 02, 2009, 10:21:01 PM
Just noticing John Boyle, Peter Turley and Colm Murney are another 3 players along with Jackie and Fegan who where regulars under Rosss have been omitted under wee James. I really believe James has laid down a good marker with his first squad. Promising times lie ahead hopefully. Tally, McIvor, James and Jerome Johnston appear to me to be the dream ticket even at this early stage, i hope they turn out to be after 3 years under a poor management team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 02, 2009, 11:43:40 PM
It is a bit hard to believe that Murney has gone - is there a chance that he has declared for Jordanstown in the McKenna Cup and may be back later ? Turley has not really had a fair chance at full back, but, assuming he has soccer commitments with Downpatrick FC, he could also feature in the new year.

The no. 3 jersey looks up for grabs in any case.  McKernan is much more comfortable further out the field, and McCartan has the experience but not the size. Garvey is the most likely choice in January , but Parr certainly deserves a look as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on December 03, 2009, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on December 02, 2009, 10:21:01 PM
Just noticing John Boyle, Peter Turley and Colm Murney are another 3 players along with Jackie and Fegan who where regulars under Rosss have been omitted under wee James. I really believe James has laid down a good marker with his first squad. Promising times lie ahead hopefully. Tally, McIvor, James and Jerome Johnston appear to me to be the dream ticket even at this early stage, i hope they turn out to be after 3 years under a poor management team.

a dream ticket?? they have not played a single fukcin game, take a step back ffs, totally getting carried away with yourself. we have won nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on December 03, 2009, 11:57:41 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 03, 2009, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on December 02, 2009, 10:21:01 PM
Just noticing John Boyle, Peter Turley and Colm Murney are another 3 players along with Jackie and Fegan who where regulars under Rosss have been omitted under wee James. I really believe James has laid down a good marker with his first squad. Promising times lie ahead hopefully. Tally, McIvor, James and Jerome Johnston appear to me to be the dream ticket even at this early stage, i hope they turn out to be after 3 years under a poor management team.

a dream ticket?? they have not played a single fukcin game, take a step back ffs, totally getting carried away with yourself. we have won nothing.

there are kilcoo lads on the panel hence the dream... ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on December 03, 2009, 12:14:00 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on December 03, 2009, 11:57:41 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 03, 2009, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on December 02, 2009, 10:21:01 PM
Just noticing John Boyle, Peter Turley and Colm Murney are another 3 players along with Jackie and Fegan who where regulars under Rosss have been omitted under wee James. I really believe James has laid down a good marker with his first squad. Promising times lie ahead hopefully. Tally, McIvor, James and Jerome Johnston appear to me to be the dream ticket even at this early stage, i hope they turn out to be after 3 years under a poor management team.

a dream ticket?? they have not played a single fukcin game, take a step back ffs, totally getting carried away with yourself. we have won nothing.

there are kilcoo lads on the panel hence the dream... ;D

aswell as the management! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on December 03, 2009, 01:00:13 PM
Right , whats our 6 best backs outta that lot ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on December 03, 2009, 01:42:45 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on December 02, 2009, 10:21:01 PM
Just noticing John Boyle, Peter Turley and Colm Murney are another 3 players along with Jackie and Fegan who where regulars under Rosss have been omitted under wee James. I really believe James has laid down a good marker with his first squad. Promising times lie ahead hopefully. Tally, McIvor, James and Jerome Johnston appear to me to be the dream ticket even at this early stage, i hope they turn out to be after 3 years under a poor management team.

Get the hotels booked quick.... ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 03, 2009, 02:07:50 PM
Quote from: downredblack on December 03, 2009, 01:00:13 PM
Right , whats our 6 best backs outta that lot ?

Where is the full back out of that? Sean Parr?
Surprised Niall Mc Evoy not included, impressed me any time I viewed him in action (on the big stage).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on December 03, 2009, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: downredblack on December 03, 2009, 01:00:13 PM
Right , whats our 6 best backs outta that lot ?
well I'd imagine Turley and Murney would be among the best 6 backs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 03, 2009, 02:28:06 PM
but they aint on that list. Cant agree with Murney being among 6 best backs.
best 6 id say are probably
Aidan Brannigan
Declan Rooney
Conor Garvey
Mark Doran
Kieran Mc Govern
Damian Rafferty/Martin Cole.

to be honest the squad doesnt really fill me full of confidence but then again there aint alot more out there other than that.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on December 03, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
i can see the logic in having a big panel before the national league so that players that have impressed in trials can test themselves against other counties to see if their inclusion is worthy.

i may be looking through my blue tinted glasses guys but having watched a lot of div. 1 football last year John Boyle must be in the top 44 players in the county. the point def didnt set the world on fire last year but he led the line well for the point at half back or at half forward ( half back being his best position imo) he would be on a par if not better than the players highlighted

defence
Martin Cole, Stevie Toner, Dan McCartan, Liam Lennon, Kevin Duffin, Declan Rooney, Kieran McGovern, Damien Rafferty, Aidan Brannigan, Mark Doran, Paul Murphy, Gerard McCartan, Conor Garvey, Sean Parr, Kevin McKernan,

attack
Conor Maginn, Brendan McArdle, Martin Clarke, Mark Poland, Ronan Sexton, Danny Hughes, Stephen Kearney, Aidan Carr, James McGovern, Paul McComiskey, Benny Coulter, Conor Laverty, John Clarke, Ronan Murtagh & Michael Magee.

as i have said i feel he is a defender hence more defenders highlighted i dont think he could muscle into the forward line

food for thought.
maybe he didnt stand out in trials but he did play in the last 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 03, 2009, 02:57:53 PM
From the looks of it lads, our defence is still going to be our weak link this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 03, 2009, 03:07:16 PM
id tend to agree about Boyle. Definitely a useful panel member with versatility. Powers that be obviosuly dont rate him. Turley is a glaring omission too. Somewhat surprised by Gerard Mc Cartan from Burren, decent club player and again quite versatile but didnt think he would be county material. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFan2010 on December 03, 2009, 03:09:23 PM
I was at 3 county trials, and McAreavy from tullylish impressed at all 3, his array of passing really set him apart from some others and he can feel hard done by. Think Dan McCartan deserves his place, but tone will tell
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 03, 2009, 03:39:27 PM
Quote from: DownFan2010 on December 03, 2009, 03:09:23 PM
I was at 3 county trials, and McAreavy from tullylish impressed at all 3, his array of passing really set him apart from some others and he can feel hard done by. Think Dan McCartan deserves his place, but tone will tell

McAreavey wouldn't be able to mix it in the physical stakes of intercounty football in my opinion. Id say that is the reason for his omission.

A great free taker and an intelligent playmaker though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catchit on December 03, 2009, 04:00:28 PM
Id say if Murney has a decent campaign with UUJ, he will be about the league panel. Dunno if agree with you there Downfanatic regarding McAreavey. Sure the only chance he got, he took it, scoring 2-3 on his debut! There must have been a fall out with Ross somewhere. Any time Ive seen him, he looks to have the strength and fitness to handle the demands of inter-county football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 03, 2009, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: True Blue on December 03, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
i can see the logic in having a big panel before the national league so that players that have impressed in trials can test themselves against other counties to see if their inclusion is worthy.

i may be looking through my blue tinted glasses guys but having watched a lot of div. 1 football last year John Boyle must be in the top 44 players in the county. the point def didnt set the world on fire last year but he led the line well for the point at half back or at half forward ( half back being his best position imo) he would be on a par if not better than the players highlighted

defence
Martin Cole, Stevie Toner, Dan McCartan, Liam Lennon, Kevin Duffin, Declan Rooney, Kieran McGovern, Damien Rafferty, Aidan Brannigan, Mark Doran, Paul Murphy, Gerard McCartan, Conor Garvey, Sean Parr, Kevin McKernan,

attack
Conor Maginn, Brendan McArdle, Martin Clarke, Mark Poland, Ronan Sexton, Danny Hughes, Stephen Kearney, Aidan Carr, James McGovern, Paul McComiskey, Benny Coulter, Conor Laverty, John Clarke, Ronan Murtagh & Michael Magee.

as i have said i feel he is a defender hence more defenders highlighted i dont think he could muscle into the forward line

food for thought.
maybe he didnt stand out in trials but he did play in the last 1

John Boyle stood out for the county last year - as a player who has none of the attributes required of a county player. He looks and plays like a busy little sideways soccer player, all back passes and ineffective dinks to left and right, and the worst tackler I have ever seen on a gaelic field. Would not be near any other serious county squad in Ulster.
I can see Sexton and Murtagh being given the chance to play themselves out of the panel - too little delivered over too many seasons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 03, 2009, 04:16:54 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 03, 2009, 02:28:06 PM
but they aint on that list. Cant agree with Murney being among 6 best backs.
best 6 id say are probably
Aidan Brannigan
Declan Rooney
Conor Garvey
Mark Doran
Kieran Mc Govern
Damian Rafferty/Martin Cole.

to be honest the squad doesnt really fill me full of confidence but then again there aint alot more out there other than that.

Liam Doyle will be back soon, so the best sx available are:
Cole
Garvey
Brannigan
Doyle
Rooney
Duffin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 03, 2009, 04:24:17 PM
Leo, you seem to have personal issue with John Boyle, dunno what it is but it makles your assessment of his worth as a county player a little bias i think.

as for Liam Doyle, i omitted him from the best 6 largely to the fact that he will have a huge mountain to climb this year to get back any sort of county form/fitness.
Duffin is pretty much unproven, a decent club player but yet to do it (maybe due to lack of chances) for the seniors. Still think there are better natural defenders there than him. We have enough maurauding defenders who like to attack.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 03, 2009, 04:46:57 PM
Boyle is a good player but the most impressive point player i seen last year was Ryan Mallon, he has the potentail to make it!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 03, 2009, 04:54:32 PM
you have probably opened a can of worms there now. Cue the abuse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on December 03, 2009, 05:09:40 PM
Quote from: Leo on December 03, 2009, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: True Blue on December 03, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
i can see the logic in having a big panel before the national league so that players that have impressed in trials can test themselves against other counties to see if their inclusion is worthy.

i may be looking through my blue tinted glasses guys but having watched a lot of div. 1 football last year John Boyle must be in the top 44 players in the county. the point def didnt set the world on fire last year but he led the line well for the point at half back or at half forward ( half back being his best position imo) he would be on a par if not better than the players highlighted

defence
Martin Cole, Stevie Toner, Dan McCartan, Liam Lennon, Kevin Duffin, Declan Rooney, Kieran McGovern, Damien Rafferty, Aidan Brannigan, Mark Doran, Paul Murphy, Gerard McCartan, Conor Garvey, Sean Parr, Kevin McKernan,

attack
Conor Maginn, Brendan McArdle, Martin Clarke, Mark Poland, Ronan Sexton, Danny Hughes, Stephen Kearney, Aidan Carr, James McGovern, Paul McComiskey, Benny Coulter, Conor Laverty, John Clarke, Ronan Murtagh & Michael Magee.

as i have said i feel he is a defender hence more defenders highlighted i dont think he could muscle into the forward line

food for thought.
maybe he didnt stand out in trials but he did play in the last 1

John Boyle stood out for the county last year - as a player who has none of the attributes required of a county player. He looks and plays like a busy little sideways soccer player, all back passes and ineffective dinks to left and right, and the worst tackler I have ever seen on a gaelic field. Would not be near any other serious county squad in Ulster.
I can see Sexton and Murtagh being given the chance to play themselves out of the panel - too little delivered over too many seasons.

yeah, time to move on from the sexton murtagh era.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on December 03, 2009, 05:26:55 PM
given our defensive problems would it not be worth giving john clarke a run back there again. after all that was his original position. he could play corner, half or even full.it was an riochts lack of power up front a few years back that forced him up front
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 03, 2009, 05:36:50 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 03, 2009, 05:09:40 PM
Quote from: Leo on December 03, 2009, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: True Blue on December 03, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
i can see the logic in having a big panel before the national league so that players that have impressed in trials can test themselves against other counties to see if their inclusion is worthy.

i may be looking through my blue tinted glasses guys but having watched a lot of div. 1 football last year John Boyle must be in the top 44 players in the county. the point def didnt set the world on fire last year but he led the line well for the point at half back or at half forward ( half back being his best position imo) he would be on a par if not better than the players highlighted

defence
Martin Cole, Stevie Toner, Dan McCartan, Liam Lennon, Kevin Duffin, Declan Rooney, Kieran McGovern, Damien Rafferty, Aidan Brannigan, Mark Doran, Paul Murphy, Gerard McCartan, Conor Garvey, Sean Parr, Kevin McKernan,

attack
Conor Maginn, Brendan McArdle, Martin Clarke, Mark Poland, Ronan Sexton, Danny Hughes, Stephen Kearney, Aidan Carr, James McGovern, Paul McComiskey, Benny Coulter, Conor Laverty, John Clarke, Ronan Murtagh & Michael Magee.

as i have said i feel he is a defender hence more defenders highlighted i dont think he could muscle into the forward line

food for thought.
maybe he didnt stand out in trials but he did play in the last 1

John Boyle stood out for the county last year - as a player who has none of the attributes required of a county player. He looks and plays like a busy little sideways soccer player, all back passes and ineffective dinks to left and right, and the worst tackler I have ever seen on a gaelic field. Would not be near any other serious county squad in Ulster.
I can see Sexton and Murtagh being given the chance to play themselves out of the panel - too little delivered over too many seasons.

yeah, time to move on from the sexton murtagh era.

It will be time to move on when there are better players in the county.. Ronan Sexton was the Bridges best player in the division one final and Ronan Murtagh is one of the most dangerous forwards in Down!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 03, 2009, 05:52:13 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on December 03, 2009, 11:57:41 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 03, 2009, 10:52:36 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on December 02, 2009, 10:21:01 PM
Just noticing John Boyle, Peter Turley and Colm Murney are another 3 players along with Jackie and Fegan who where regulars under Rosss have been omitted under wee James. I really believe James has laid down a good marker with his first squad. Promising times lie ahead hopefully. Tally, McIvor, James and Jerome Johnston appear to me to be the dream ticket even at this early stage, i hope they turn out to be after 3 years under a poor management team.

a dream ticket?? they have not played a single fukcin game, take a step back ffs, totally getting carried away with yourself. we have won nothing.

there are kilcoo lads on the panel hence the dream... ;D

And rightly so being county champions. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 03, 2009, 05:58:31 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 03, 2009, 04:46:57 PM
Boyle is a good player but the most impressive point player i seen last year was Ryan Mallon, he has the potentail to make it!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah Mallon is a decent player and is versatille. Id say he will be looked at in the under 21s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on December 03, 2009, 06:32:36 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 03, 2009, 05:36:50 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 03, 2009, 05:09:40 PM
Quote from: Leo on December 03, 2009, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: True Blue on December 03, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
i can see the logic in having a big panel before the national league so that players that have impressed in trials can test themselves against other counties to see if their inclusion is worthy.

i may be looking through my blue tinted glasses guys but having watched a lot of div. 1 football last year John Boyle must be in the top 44 players in the county. the point def didnt set the world on fire last year but he led the line well for the point at half back or at half forward ( half back being his best position imo) he would be on a par if not better than the players highlighted

defence
Martin Cole, Stevie Toner, Dan McCartan, Liam Lennon, Kevin Duffin, Declan Rooney, Kieran McGovern, Damien Rafferty, Aidan Brannigan, Mark Doran, Paul Murphy, Gerard McCartan, Conor Garvey, Sean Parr, Kevin McKernan,

attack
Conor Maginn, Brendan McArdle, Martin Clarke, Mark Poland, Ronan Sexton, Danny Hughes, Stephen Kearney, Aidan Carr, James McGovern, Paul McComiskey, Benny Coulter, Conor Laverty, John Clarke, Ronan Murtagh & Michael Magee.

as i have said i feel he is a defender hence more defenders highlighted i dont think he could muscle into the forward line

food for thought.
maybe he didnt stand out in trials but he did play in the last 1

John Boyle stood out for the county last year - as a player who has none of the attributes required of a county player. He looks and plays like a busy little sideways soccer player, all back passes and ineffective dinks to left and right, and the worst tackler I have ever seen on a gaelic field. Would not be near any other serious county squad in Ulster.
I can see Sexton and Murtagh being given the chance to play themselves out of the panel - too little delivered over too many seasons.

yeah, time to move on from the sexton murtagh era.

It will be time to move on when there are better players in the county.. Ronan Sexton was the Bridges best player in the division one final and Ronan Murtagh is one of the most dangerous forwards in Down!!!!!
they are both serial underachievers with Down, as I say time to move forward, same old faces every year has achieved sfa.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on December 03, 2009, 07:13:10 PM
Think some fellas need to get a grip on here......Colm Murney??? fella cant even get on for his club!
Most over-rated player Ive ever seen ::)
Suprised Gubber Kearney hasnt made it.....surely one of the best forwards in Down?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on December 03, 2009, 07:19:51 PM
I think its a pretty strong panel, though I don't see the need for four keepers. I would go with 2, McVeigh as the first choice and Alder as back up. Maybe James wants to get a look at all of them in action before making a decision. No manager is going to cure our problem at full back, we just don't have an inter-county standard full back, maybe someone can be drafted back from further out the field. I am surprised that Callum King isn't on the panel as he was one of the most consistent players in division1 this year, but I am glad to see a few of the Kilcoo lads getting a chance.
No one has mentioned Michael Walsh yet? Ross got a lot of stick last summer for leaving him out, has he fallen out of favour with everyone now?
Any news on Luke Howard, when can we expect him back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 03, 2009, 08:19:16 PM
This panel kind of reinforces the view that Ross & DJ, and before them Paddy, weren't far away with their squad selections. Almost to a man they've already got the tracksuit at home.

There's no shocking inclusions and even fewer surprise omissions.

And I'd say even at this stage  it wouldn't take long for the average bystander to whittle the squad down to more or less James's 36 either.


Regarding comments above:

- Please don't ever suggest John Clarke as a defender again. He was an accidental tourist in defence in the first place, and if he had have stayed there, then those cries for his return to county colours wouldn't have been audible. He's a fine forward, anywhere across the six, so let him fight for his place there.
- Watch club football for a few weeks and you will always pick Sexton and Murtagh in a squad. Yes neither has set the county game alight, but given a choice between either of those and any of the "surprise omissions" being bandied about at present, and there is only one winner. Even touching 30 years of age they've more potential to become county players than those that didn't make it.
- Full-back looks like Garvey, backed up by Howard, Dan McCartan and Rooney. Centre-back looks like Doyle or Martin Clarke, backed up by Dan McCartan. The rest of the defenders are either too small, or lean to heavily on athleticism over discipline, game-reading and presence.




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on December 03, 2009, 08:32:10 PM
Quote from: guevara on December 03, 2009, 07:13:10 PM
Think some fellas need to get a grip on here......Colm Murney??? fella cant even get on for his club!
Most over-rated player Ive ever seen ::)
Suprised Gubber Kearney hasnt made it.....surely one of the best forwards in Down?

Excelant player but wrong attitude......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on December 03, 2009, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 03, 2009, 08:32:10 PM
Quote from: guevara on December 03, 2009, 07:13:10 PM
Think some fellas need to get a grip on here......Colm Murney??? fella cant even get on for his club!
Most over-rated player Ive ever seen ::)
Suprised Gubber Kearney hasnt made it.....surely one of the best forwards in Down?

Excelant player but wrong attitude......


Although not a Kilcoo man still think Anthony Devlin is capable of doin a job in some capactiy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on December 03, 2009, 08:36:40 PM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 03, 2009, 08:32:10 PM
Quote from: guevara on December 03, 2009, 07:13:10 PM
Think some fellas need to get a grip on here......Colm Murney??? fella cant even get on for his club!
Most over-rated player Ive ever seen ::)
Suprised Gubber Kearney hasnt made it.....surely one of the best forwards in Down?

Excelant player but wrong attitude......
I take it you are talking about Gubber
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on December 03, 2009, 08:46:07 PM
Yeah.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 03, 2009, 08:53:47 PM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 03, 2009, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 03, 2009, 08:32:10 PM
Quote from: guevara on December 03, 2009, 07:13:10 PM
Think some fellas need to get a grip on here......Colm Murney??? fella cant even get on for his club!
Most over-rated player Ive ever seen ::)
Suprised Gubber Kearney hasnt made it.....surely one of the best forwards in Down?

Excelant player but wrong attitude......


Although not a Kilcoo man still think Anthony Devlin is capable of doin a job in some capactiy

The mans a legend in Kilcoo but is happy playing club football for the magpies. Surely is one off the top forwards and has great strength in at full forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on December 03, 2009, 09:07:57 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on December 03, 2009, 08:53:47 PM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 03, 2009, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 03, 2009, 08:32:10 PM
Quote from: guevara on December 03, 2009, 07:13:10 PM
Think some fellas need to get a grip on here......Colm Murney??? fella cant even get on for his club!
Most over-rated player Ive ever seen ::)
Suprised Gubber Kearney hasnt made it.....surely one of the best forwards in Down?

Excelant player but wrong attitude......


Although not a Kilcoo man still think Anthony Devlin is capable of doin a job in some capactiy

The mans a legend in Kilcoo but is happy playing club football for the magpies. Surely is one off the top forwards and has great strength in at full forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on December 03, 2009, 09:10:16 PM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 03, 2009, 09:07:57 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on December 03, 2009, 08:53:47 PM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 03, 2009, 08:35:32 PM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 03, 2009, 08:32:10 PM
Quote from: guevara on December 03, 2009, 07:13:10 PM
Think some fellas need to get a grip on here......Colm Murney??? fella cant even get on for his club!
Most over-rated player Ive ever seen ::)
Suprised Gubber Kearney hasnt made it.....surely one of the best forwards in Down?

Excelant player but wrong attitude......


Although not a Kilcoo man still think Anthony Devlin is capable of doin a job in some capactiy

The mans a legend in Kilcoo but is happy playing club football for the magpies. Surely is one off the top forwards and has great strength in at full forward.
i think he'd link up well with coulter you know knock it in2 Anthony then lay off for coulter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 03, 2009, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 03, 2009, 08:19:16 PM
This panel kind of reinforces the view that Ross & DJ, and before them Paddy, weren't far away with their squad selections. Almost to a man they've already got the tracksuit at home.

There's no shocking inclusions and even fewer surprise omissions.

And I'd say even at this stage  it wouldn't take long for the average bystander to whittle the squad down to more or less James's 36 either.


Regarding comments above:

- Please don't ever suggest John Clarke as a defender again. He was an accidental tourist in defence in the first place, and if he had have stayed there, then those cries for his return to county colours wouldn't have been audible. He's a fine forward, anywhere across the six, so let him fight for his place there.
- Watch club football for a few weeks and you will always pick Sexton and Murtagh in a squad. Yes neither has set the county game alight, but given a choice between either of those and any of the "surprise omissions" being bandied about at present, and there is only one winner. Even touching 30 years of age they've more potential to become county players than those that didn't make it.
- Full-back looks like Garvey, backed up by Howard, Dan McCartan and Rooney. Centre-back looks like Doyle or Martin Clarke, backed up by Dan McCartan. The rest of the defenders are either too small, or lean to heavily on athleticism over discipline, game-reading and presence.

For once I disagree with you. Think a reason Martin Clarke didnt fufill his potential/enjoy his stint in the AFL was he didn't get to express himself as freely as he would like in a withdrawn defensive role. Let him have the reins at CFH and fufill his creative talents. A fit Laim Doyle would be IMO the ideal CHB.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 03, 2009, 09:30:28 PM
As needs be Dundrumite, that's all. Centre half-back requires a player who plays with his head up at all times. Doyler would also be my first choice here, but building a team around Liam with his injury problems is a castle made of sand.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on December 03, 2009, 09:32:52 PM
Talk about a man unlucky with injury
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 03, 2009, 11:56:26 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 03, 2009, 06:32:36 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 03, 2009, 05:36:50 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 03, 2009, 05:09:40 PM
Quote from: Leo on December 03, 2009, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: True Blue on December 03, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
i can see the logic in having a big panel before the national league so that players that have impressed in trials can test themselves against other counties to see if their inclusion is worthy.

i may be looking through my blue tinted glasses guys but having watched a lot of div. 1 football last year John Boyle must be in the top 44 players in the county. the point def didnt set the world on fire last year but he led the line well for the point at half back or at half forward ( half back being his best position imo) he would be on a par if not better than the players highlighted

defence
Martin Cole, Stevie Toner, Dan McCartan, Liam Lennon, Kevin Duffin, Declan Rooney, Kieran McGovern, Damien Rafferty, Aidan Brannigan, Mark Doran, Paul Murphy, Gerard McCartan, Conor Garvey, Sean Parr, Kevin McKernan,

attack
Conor Maginn, Brendan McArdle, Martin Clarke, Mark Poland, Ronan Sexton, Danny Hughes, Stephen Kearney, Aidan Carr, James McGovern, Paul McComiskey, Benny Coulter, Conor Laverty, John Clarke, Ronan Murtagh & Michael Magee.

as i have said i feel he is a defender hence more defenders highlighted i dont think he could muscle into the forward line

food for thought.
maybe he didnt stand out in trials but he did play in the last 1

John Boyle stood out for the county last year - as a player who has none of the attributes required of a county player. He looks and plays like a busy little sideways soccer player, all back passes and ineffective dinks to left and right, and the worst tackler I have ever seen on a gaelic field. Would not be near any other serious county squad in Ulster.
I can see Sexton and Murtagh being given the chance to play themselves out of the panel - too little delivered over too many seasons.

yeah, time to move on from the sexton murtagh era.

It will be time to move on when there are better players in the county.. Ronan Sexton was the Bridges best player in the division one final and Ronan Murtagh is one of the most dangerous forwards in Down!!!!!
they are both serial underachievers with Down, as I say time to move forward, same old faces every year has achieved sfa.

Charlie, I don't know about you but its an absolute disgrace that Stephen Parsons wasnt selected for the Down panel. What does this man have to do to get the recognition he deserves  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on December 04, 2009, 11:53:20 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 03, 2009, 11:56:26 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 03, 2009, 06:32:36 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 03, 2009, 05:36:50 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 03, 2009, 05:09:40 PM
Quote from: Leo on December 03, 2009, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: True Blue on December 03, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
i can see the logic in having a big panel before the national league so that players that have impressed in trials can test themselves against other counties to see if their inclusion is worthy.

i may be looking through my blue tinted glasses guys but having watched a lot of div. 1 football last year John Boyle must be in the top 44 players in the county. the point def didnt set the world on fire last year but he led the line well for the point at half back or at half forward ( half back being his best position imo) he would be on a par if not better than the players highlighted

defence
Martin Cole, Stevie Toner, Dan McCartan, Liam Lennon, Kevin Duffin, Declan Rooney, Kieran McGovern, Damien Rafferty, Aidan Brannigan, Mark Doran, Paul Murphy, Gerard McCartan, Conor Garvey, Sean Parr, Kevin McKernan,

attack
Conor Maginn, Brendan McArdle, Martin Clarke, Mark Poland, Ronan Sexton, Danny Hughes, Stephen Kearney, Aidan Carr, James McGovern, Paul McComiskey, Benny Coulter, Conor Laverty, John Clarke, Ronan Murtagh & Michael Magee.

as i have said i feel he is a defender hence more defenders highlighted i dont think he could muscle into the forward line

food for thought.
maybe he didnt stand out in trials but he did play in the last 1

John Boyle stood out for the county last year - as a player who has none of the attributes required of a county player. He looks and plays like a busy little sideways soccer player, all back passes and ineffective dinks to left and right, and the worst tackler I have ever seen on a gaelic field. Would not be near any other serious county squad in Ulster.
I can see Sexton and Murtagh being given the chance to play themselves out of the panel - too little delivered over too many seasons.

yeah, time to move on from the sexton murtagh era.

It will be time to move on when there are better players in the county.. Ronan Sexton was the Bridges best player in the division one final and Ronan Murtagh is one of the most dangerous forwards in Down!!!!!
they are both serial underachievers with Down, as I say time to move forward, same old faces every year has achieved sfa.

Charlie, I don't know about you but its an absolute disgrace that Stephen Parsons wasnt selected for the Down panel. What does this man have to do to get the recognition he deserves  :D

I know, total disgrace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 04, 2009, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 03, 2009, 04:24:17 PM
Leo, you seem to have personal issue with John Boyle, dunno what it is but it makles your assessment of his worth as a county player a little bias i think.


No personal issue at all, Brick Tamlin, don't knoe the guy, just saw him for both the Point and Down in a number of games. Can do a useful job to a certain extent at club level, nowhere near a county player, that's all. There are dime a dozen like him throughout the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on December 04, 2009, 01:37:51 PM
Quote from: Leo on December 04, 2009, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 03, 2009, 04:24:17 PM
Leo, you seem to have personal issue with John Boyle, dunno what it is but it makles your assessment of his worth as a county player a little bias i think.


No personal issue at all, Brick Tamlin, don't knoe the guy, just saw him for both the Point and Down in a number of games. Can do a useful job to a certain extent at club level, nowhere near a county player, that's all. There are dime a dozen like him throughout the county.

Leo you obviously do have issues with John.........
You musn't have watched the games too closely as if you had you wouldve realised he is good enough to be on the county. He leads the way for his club for such a young fella & I for one would argue he is a lot better than some of the guys on it!
Even in the games he was selected for Down last year I thought he did well unlike other guys picked again this year.

So why dont you just come out & tell us all the real reason you wouldnt have him on it??  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 04, 2009, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: guevara on December 04, 2009, 01:37:51 PM

Leo you obviously do have issues with John.........
You musn't have watched the games too closely as if you had you wouldve realised he is good enough to be on the county. He leads the way for his club for such a young fella & I for one would argue he is a lot better than some of the guys on it!
Even in the games he was selected for Down last year I thought he did well unlike other guys picked again this year.

So why dont you just come out & tell us all the real reason you wouldnt have him on it??  ;D

I never said I have no issues with Boyle - I said I have no PERSONAL issue and why should I as I don't know him from Adam.

If however you feel I haven't told you the real reason then let me spell it out a bit more clearly...

No vision, easily dispossessed, fouls every time he tries to tackle (that is if he gets near enough his man) - in effect no tackle, incapable of a foot pass, totally negative, plays across the field or behind, lots of energy spent getting nowhere, as brainless as Murtagh, unable to field a ball at any height, dependent on a colleague's pass for possession .... in short NOT a gaelic footballer.

If watching games and forming an opinion based on these games means I am not allowed to give that opinion - well, I guess you have me there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on December 04, 2009, 03:47:06 PM
Have to say i'm with Leo on the John Boyle issue, bottom line is he is no asset whatsoever to the Down Senior Football panel & thank god Wee James & co have seen that at an early stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on December 04, 2009, 07:28:15 PM
sorry gurvara...have to back the boys on that point as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on December 04, 2009, 07:42:47 PM
Quote from: Leo on December 04, 2009, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: guevara on December 04, 2009, 01:37:51 PM

Leo you obviously do have issues with John.........
You musn't have watched the games too closely as if you had you wouldve realised he is good enough to be on the county. He leads the way for his club for such a young fella & I for one would argue he is a lot better than some of the guys on it!
Even in the games he was selected for Down last year I thought he did well unlike other guys picked again this year.

So why dont you just come out & tell us all the real reason you wouldnt have him on it??  ;D

I never said I have no issues with Boyle - I said I have no PERSONAL issue and why should I as I don't know him from Adam.

If however you feel I haven't told you the real reason then let me spell it out a bit more clearly...

No vision, easily dispossessed, fouls every time he tries to tackle (that is if he gets near enough his man) - in effect no tackle, incapable of a foot pass, totally negative, plays across the field or behind, lots of energy spent getting nowhere, as brainless as Murtagh, unable to field a ball at any height, dependent on a colleague's pass for possession .... in short NOT a gaelic footballer.

If watching games and forming an opinion based on these games means I am not allowed to give that opinion - well, I guess you have me there.
sEN
Quote from: Leo on December 04, 2009, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: guevara on December 04, 2009, 01:37:51 PM

Leo you obviously do have issues with John.........
You musn't have watched the games too closely as if you had you wouldve realised he is good enough to be on the county. He leads the way for his club for such a young fella & I for one would argue he is a lot better than some of the guys on it!
Even in the games he was selected for Down last year I thought he did well unlike other guys picked again this year.

So why dont you just come out & tell us all the real reason you wouldnt have him on it??  ;D

I never said I have no issues with Boyle - I said I have no PERSONAL issue and why should I as I don't know him from Adam.

If however you feel I haven't told you the real reason then let me spell it out a bit more clearly...

No vision, easily dispossessed, fouls every time he tries to tackle (that is if he gets near enough his man) - in effect no tackle, incapable of a foot pass, totally negative, plays across the field or behind, lots of energy spent getting nowhere, as brainless as Murtagh, unable to field a ball at any height, dependent on a colleague's pass for possession .... in short NOT a gaelic footballer.

If watching games and forming an opinion based on these games means I am not allowed to give that opinion - well, I guess you have me there.
Quote from: Leo on December 04, 2009, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: guevara on December 04, 2009, 01:37:51 PM

Leo you obviously do have issues with John.........
You musn't have watched the games too closely as if you had you wouldve realised he is good enough to be on the county. He leads the way for his club for such a young fella & I for one would argue he is a lot better than some of the guys on it!
Even in the games he was selected for Down last year I thought he did well unlike other guys picked again this year.

So why dont you just come out & tell us all the real reason you wouldnt have him on it??  ;D

I never said I have no issues with Boyle - I said I have no PERSONAL issue and why should I as I don't know him from Adam.

If however you feel I haven't told you the real reason then let me spell it out a bit more clearly...

No vision, easily dispossessed, fouls every time he tries to tackle (that is if he gets near enough his man) - in effect no tackle, incapable of a foot pass, totally negative, plays across the field or behind, lots of energy spent getting nowhere, as brainless as Murtagh, unable to field a ball at any height, dependent on a colleague's pass for possession .... in short NOT a gaelic footballer.

If watching games and forming an opinion based on these games means I am not allowed to give that opinion - well, I guess you have me there.
Quote from: Leo on December 04, 2009, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: guevara on December 04, 2009, 01:37:51 PM

Leo you obviously do have issues with John.........
You musn't have watched the games too closely as if you had you wouldve realised he is good enough to be on the county. He leads the way for his club for such a young fella & I for one would argue he is a lot better than some of the guys on it!
Even in the games he was selected for Down last year I thought he did well unlike other guys picked again this year.

So why dont you just come out & tell us all the real reason you wouldnt have him on it??  ;D

I never said I have no issues with Boyle - I said I have no PERSONAL issue and why should I as I don't know him from Adam.

If however you feel I haven't told you the real reason then let me spell it out a bit more clearly...

No vision, easily dispossessed, fouls every time he tries to tackle (that is if he gets near enough his man) - in effect no tackle, incapable of a foot pass, totally negative, plays across the field or behind, lots of energy spent getting nowhere, as brainless as Murtagh, unable to field a ball at any height, dependent on a colleague's pass for possession .... in short NOT a gaelic footballer.

If watching games and forming an opinion based on these games means I am not allowed to give that opinion - well, I guess you have me there.
Quote from: Leo on December 04, 2009, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: guevara on December 04, 2009, 01:37:51 PM

Leo you obviously do have issues with John.........
You musn't have watched the games too closely as if you had you wouldve realised he is good enough to be on the county. He leads the way for his club for such a young fella & I for one would argue he is a lot better than some of the guys on it!
Even in the games he was selected for Down last year I thought he did well unlike other guys picked again this year.

So why dont you just come out & tell us all the real reason you wouldnt have him on it??  ;D

I never said I have no issues with Boyle - I said I have no PERSONAL issue and why should I as I don't know him from Adam.

If however you feel I haven't told you the real reason then let me spell it out a bit more clearly...

No vision, easily dispossessed, fouls every time he tries to tackle (that is if he gets near enough his man) - in effect no tackle, incapable of a foot pass, totally negative, plays across the field or behind, lots of energy spent getting nowhere, as brainless as Murtagh, unable to field a ball at any height, dependent on a colleague's pass for possession .... in short NOT a gaelic footballer.

If watching games and forming an opinion based on these games means I am not allowed to give that opinion - well, I guess you have me there.
Quote from: Leo on December 04, 2009, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: guevara on December 04, 2009, 01:37:51 PM

Leo you obviously do have issues with John.........
You musn't have watched the games too closely as if you had you wouldve realised he is good enough to be on the county. He leads the way for his club for such a young fella & I for one would argue he is a lot better than some of the guys on it!
Even in the games he was selected for Down last year I thought he did well unlike other guys picked again this year.

So why dont you just come out & tell us all the real reason you wouldnt have him on it??  ;D

I never said I have no issues with Boyle - I said I have no PERSONAL issue and why should I as I don't know him from Adam.

If however you feel I haven't told you the real reason then let me spell it out a bit more clearly...

No vision, easily dispossessed, fouls every time he tries to tackle (that is if he gets near enough his man) - in effect no tackle, incapable of a foot pass, totally negative, plays across the field or behind, lots of energy spent getting nowhere, as brainless as Murtagh, unable to field a ball at any height, dependent on a colleague's pass for possession .... in short NOT a gaelic footballer.

If watching games and forming an opinion based on these games means I am not allowed to give that opinion - well, I guess you have me there.
Quote from: Leo on December 04, 2009, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: guevara on December 04, 2009, 01:37:51 PM

Leo you obviously do have issues with John.........
You musn't have watched the games too closely as if you had you wouldve realised he is good enough to be on the county. He leads the way for his club for such a young fella & I for one would argue he is a lot better than some of the guys on it!
Even in the games he was selected for Down last year I thought he did well unlike other guys picked again this year.

So why dont you just come out & tell us all the real reason you wouldnt have him on it??  ;D

I never said I have no issues with Boyle - I said I have no PERSONAL issue and why should I as I don't know him from Adam.

If however you feel I haven't told you the real reason then let me spell it out a bit more clearly...

No vision, easily dispossessed, fouls every time he tries to tackle (that is if he gets near enough his man) - in effect no tackle, incapable of a foot pass, totally negative, plays across the field or behind, lots of energy spent getting nowhere, as brainless as Murtagh, unable to field a ball at any height, dependent on a colleague's pass for possession .... in short NOT a gaelic footballer.

If watching games and forming an opinion based on these games means I am not allowed to give that opinion - well, I guess you have me there.


You are all entitled to your opinion boys.......after all thats what a forums all about!
But ask any of the better footballers in the County who have played against him if they rate him? Hes one of the best passers of a ball around! Negative? he probably scored on a more regular basis from half back than some clubs forwards this year!
Not a Gaelic Footballer???.....a Sigerson medal would suggest otherwise as would representing his Count at Minor, U-21 & Senior level!
Ive seen him more this year than most of you & In my opinion he is better than a lot on that panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 04, 2009, 09:04:34 PM
Agree with Guevara. I rate John Boyle, seen him play at close hand quite a bit. His vision and passing ability is top notch. To claim a sigerson winner, Down minor captain, Under 21 and Senior having being started teams under managers such as Mickey Moran, Ray Morgan, Adrian Mc Guckain, Pete Mc Grath and Ross Carr is NOT a Gaelic footballer is crazy. No harm to you Leo but I would say all them men combined might have a better knowledge of Gaelic football than yourself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on December 04, 2009, 10:02:36 PM
Quote from: Leo on December 04, 2009, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: guevara on December 04, 2009, 01:37:51 PM

Leo you obviously do have issues with John.........
You musn't have watched the games too closely as if you had you wouldve realised he is good enough to be on the county. He leads the way for his club for such a young fella & I for one would argue he is a lot better than some of the guys on it!
Even in the games he was selected for Down last year I thought he did well unlike other guys picked again this year.

So why dont you just come out & tell us all the real reason you wouldnt have him on it??  ;D

I never said I have no issues with Boyle - I said I have no PERSONAL issue and why should I as I don't know him from Adam.

If however you feel I haven't told you the real reason then let me spell it out a bit more clearly...

No vision, easily dispossessed, fouls every time he tries to tackle (that is if he gets near enough his man) - in effect no tackle, incapable of a foot pass, totally negative, plays across the field or behind, lots of energy spent getting nowhere, as brainless as Murtagh, unable to field a ball at any height, dependent on a colleague's pass for possession .... in short NOT a gaelic footballer.

If watching games and forming an opinion based on these games means I am not allowed to give that opinion - well, I guess you have me there.

Don't agree with getting personal with a player on this forum, they are all amateur players who give there all.  For all we know John reads this forum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on December 04, 2009, 10:05:09 PM
 Not seeing any club football you  boys would know him better than I would but what I saw of him I thought he did ok . but he did come in for some heavy criticisms last year and now again this year and he's not even on the panel . Many a lad has tried their hand at county level and not made it but had the steelers to give it a go . I don't know why some players get singled out for harsher treatment on here than others but definitely some of the comments made about John Boyle have been uncalled for . James said some players declined the offer to join the panel , who could blame them If they took a look on here and see what sort of abuse they could get for their efforts .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on December 04, 2009, 10:47:24 PM
I'd just like to point out that when i said i agreed with leo and the boys it was on the part that at prescent i don't think john is good enough for the county i do not agree with all that leo said regarding the mans game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on December 04, 2009, 10:49:43 PM
See The Hoops got their third win on the trot tonight in the U 20s with a comprehensive victory over St Marys having already accounted for Bryansford & Castlewellan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 04, 2009, 10:54:50 PM
Quote from: norabeag on December 04, 2009, 10:49:43 PM
See The Hoops got their third win on the trot tonight in the U 20s with a comprehensive victory over St Marys having already accounted for Bryansford & Castlewellan.

Doing well, were the 2 St Johns boys playing for St Marys?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 04, 2009, 10:59:11 PM
Leo, also if you would just clarify something for me. Please explain exactly what you meant when you refer to Boyle being as "Brainless as murtagh"
Im sure you have a sound explanation for that one.
Take as long as you need to enlighten us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on December 04, 2009, 11:06:29 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 04, 2009, 10:54:50 PM
Quote from: norabeag on December 04, 2009, 10:49:43 PM
See The Hoops got their third win on the trot tonight in the U 20s with a comprehensive victory over St Marys having already accounted for Bryansford & Castlewellan.

Doing well, were the 2 St Johns boys playing for St Marys?
Not too sure but they have a big squad and some handy players but Not a bad Hoops side
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 04, 2009, 11:12:52 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 04, 2009, 10:59:11 PM
Leo, also if you would just clarify something for me. Please explain exactly what you meant when you refer to Boyle being as "Brainless as murtagh"
Im sure you have a sound explanation for that one.
Take as long as you need to enlighten us.

Hardly worth getting excited about this boyo Brick....he's obviously one of these guys who go to watch Down in the championship....and sin e....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on December 04, 2009, 11:17:46 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 04, 2009, 11:12:52 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 04, 2009, 10:59:11 PM
Leo, also if you would just clarify something for me. Please explain exactly what you meant when you refer to Boyle being as "Brainless as murtagh"
Im sure you have a sound explanation for that one.
Take as long as you need to enlighten us.

Hardly worth getting excited about this boyo Brick....he's obviously one of these guys who go to watch Down in the championship....and sin e....
Time to move on from this personal shite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 04, 2009, 11:18:13 PM
maybe so but id really love to hear his rationale for that comment, should be interesting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 04, 2009, 11:53:48 PM
My take on this John Boyle thing is simple. There isn't a manager worth his salt in Down football that would come up against Warrenpoint without indicating that he is the player to be watched, and to stop him getting on the ball if possible.

That means he is a cut above a club footballer. Whether that makes him a county player or not, I don't know. But some of the comments on here are ridiculous; people taking one look at his demeanor and writing him off.

I'd also say that like a lot of players who grew up playing in central positions and central positions only, he probably doesn't adjust well to the different demands of playing on the wing; not being the main man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 05, 2009, 12:59:59 AM
Spot on Wobbler. Boyle is a fine club player who may or may not make the cut at county level. It is likely that he is a little short of pace, like many others, but he should not be judged harshly as an individual. We need to build from the back, as good teams do, and it is going to take a while.,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on December 05, 2009, 01:02:37 AM
Awwww well...next subject
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on December 05, 2009, 08:46:11 AM
My starting point about John Boyle was that he is, no matter how negative you feel about him, he is in the top 44 players in the county. some that were named he is and has proven to be better than as i highlighted. i didnt expect leo to massacre the man and others to agree, (ramber and ear), that was not the point of my post and i apologise to john if he does read this. there are others who i feel are better than the players named but ill not name them in fear some gobsh**es  have a personal problem with them.
dont get me wrong i hope wee james and the boys do well and bring down back to some sort of glory but johns exclusion will be are benefit as we bid to get back to div 1 but as a point man i would rather see him getting a crack of representing our county.

someone posted that the only man from the point worthy of a place was ryan mallon. i will agree with you in a couple of years. not quite ready yet but having watched him over the last 3/4 years it will not be long.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on December 05, 2009, 11:22:34 AM
Well said True Blue!
I have no problem with opinions....after all we all have our own ideas on this & if we were given a crack at the County job we would pick the fairest possible team & win Sam  ;D

But seriously Leo seems to have taken a personal swipe at the fellla for no apparent reason....not a gaelic footballer??? Wise up!!
Only time will tell if Wee James was right but I gaurantee John will be on it again....maybe not this year but he will wear the jersey again.
On Ryan Mallon.....a superb athlete who has all the attributes to be a great talent but Ryans application at times would be questionable! I believe if he knuckled down & give it 100% he would be on the squad for years to come!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: backagainstthewall on December 05, 2009, 11:28:11 AM
cant believe all the talk about john boyle, obviously the dogs on the street know john is easily a county player ahead of the like of some members on the current panel. I hate the selection policy within the county, without going into character assassination too much (which is completely uncalled for in an amatuer sport), it really angers me that 3 intelligent men have went out of their way to appease the main movers 'n' shakers in down football with the panel they have put forward for the mckenna cup! The past decade in our own county senior football reeks of mediocrity and that is just not an outcome any of us are satisfied with especially with the talent our county boosts! Blame can only be put on managers so much but when it comes down to it, its the players that needed fingers pointed at, the current down panel is just not a reflection of our presigious past and also our current, in terms of club, sterling present ie Kilcoo are a credit to any sport organistaion but thankfully they are part of ours, are their players on the panel there by merit?. The present panel is just not a reflection of what is great and good about down football and because of this i find it hard to support them...and wont be either!

I dont live in down but i am a down man and the impending years panel, from what i see,  will NOT go the extra mile that lives amongst the majority of down men and our will to essentially beat the man we are marking! There is absolutely no bite in the bark of down football any more at senior county level, last years first round championship match against fermanagh is testament to this statement. Where is the hunger? where is the desire to win? You have no idea how much i'd love to be proved wrong on the above argument, i have my knife and fork ready to eat my rant!!!

2010 will be a mediorce year for down seniors- mark my words
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on December 05, 2009, 04:04:34 PM
Thats the spirit! :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on December 05, 2009, 05:04:49 PM
Quote from: backagainstthewall on December 05, 2009, 11:28:11 AM
cant believe all the talk about john boyle, obviously the dogs on the street know john is easily a county player ahead of the like of some members on the current panel. I hate the selection policy within the county, without going into character assassination too much (which is completely uncalled for in an amatuer sport), it really angers me that 3 intelligent men have went out of their way to appease the main movers 'n' shakers in down football with the panel they have put forward for the mckenna cup! The past decade in our own county senior football reeks of mediocrity and that is just not an outcome any of us are satisfied with especially with the talent our county boosts! Blame can only be put on managers so much but when it comes down to it, its the players that needed fingers pointed at, the current down panel is just not a reflection of our presigious past and also our current, in terms of club, sterling present ie Kilcoo are a credit to any sport organistaion but thankfully they are part of ours, are their players on the panel there by merit?. The present panel is just not a reflection of what is great and good about down football and because of this i find it hard to support them...and wont be either!

I dont live in down but i am a down man and the impending years panel, from what i see,  will NOT go the extra mile that lives amongst the majority of down men and our will to essentially beat the man we are marking! There is absolutely no bite in the bark of down football any more at senior county level, last years first round championship match against fermanagh is testament to this statement. Where is the hunger? where is the desire to win? You have no idea how much i'd love to be proved wrong on the above argument, i have my knife and fork ready to eat my rant!!!

2010 will be a mediorce year for down seniors- mark my words

I would disagree with some of the players selected but your post is very harsh, at least give them a chance before you totally write them off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 05, 2009, 05:23:44 PM
well said above CT.

I see Kilcoo beat the Donegal minor champions after extra time today. Well done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 05, 2009, 06:01:37 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 05, 2009, 05:23:44 PM
well said above CT.

I see Kilcoo beat the Donegal minor champions after extra time today. Well done

Kilcoo have become your second team this weather Dundrumite. I hope your not thinking of transferring your allegiances to the mighty Magpies  :-*
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on December 05, 2009, 08:44:05 PM
Could all happen DF. Word on the street is that dundrumite has a vested interest in Kilcoo of late!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 05, 2009, 10:03:13 PM
Quote from: guevara on December 05, 2009, 11:22:34 AM
Well said True Blue!
I have no problem with opinions....after all we all have our own ideas on this & if we were given a crack at the County job we would pick the fairest possible team & win Sam  ;D

Good, I am pleased that my opinion is allowed even if I don't expect everybody to agree.

But seriously Leo seems to have taken a personal swipe at the fellla for no apparent reason

NOTHING in any post of mine could be called a personal swipe. If you can't tell the differenec between an objective assessment of football ability and personal attack so be it

...not a gaelic footballer??? Wise up!!

I'm a bit long in the tooth for wising up now but I have enough experience to know a wee bit about football. Maybe not a lot, but then I am still entitiled to my opinion however poorly formed.

Only time will tell if Wee James was right but I gaurantee John will be on it again....maybe not this year but he will wear the jersey again.

We will see.

On Ryan Mallon.....a superb athlete who has all the attributes to be a great talent but Ryans application at times would be questionable! I believe if he knuckled down & give it 100% he would be on the squad for years to come!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on December 06, 2009, 01:24:01 PM
I think some people on here are missing the point in relation to the
John Boyle argument. The simple fact is that whether he is on the panel or not will not make a difference to the turn around in our county teams fortunes. IMO John is certainly at county standard - of which there are at probably 50 or so in the county , he isn'nt however of exceptional standard. By exceptional I mean:

Benny Coulter, Dan Gordan, Liam Doyle, Paul MCcomisky, Martin Clarke

I may be a bit ahead of myself in including Clarke but these guys would be good enough for any county team and our own county team should be built around them - using a dedicated and settled squad of county standard players who play to a gameplan and a well drilled system guided by  the management.

In the last number of years the defence has taken dogs abuse for being simply awful. But the guys selected as defenders are not bad footballers nor are they necesarily bad defenders - they just never seem to have any sort of system in place.
how many times in the last number of years did we see previous managements put an extra man or two into the backline ala Kerry or Tyrone to help cover - never.

Apparently we don't have a full back, but niether do Kerry, it was'nt a problem to them this year. Are the likes of Monk Cole, Garvey, Murphy, Howard or Dan McCartan bad defenders? - definatley not. Its interesting to see that wee James has a picked similar squad to that of the previous managements but I hpe that there will be more of a cuteness about the new management and the old theory of the 'Down Style of play' may not be pursued to the same extent as previous failed managements.

A ball has'nt even been kicked yet FFS and some people are all doom and gloom. I believe the future looks bright partially because I'm a genuine fan and mostly because we have lots of decent and exceptional footballers. Whether or not John Boyle is included is irrelevant as we are lucky to have many lads at present who can play at his high standard!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on December 06, 2009, 01:30:38 PM
Quote from: backagainstthewall on December 05, 2009, 11:28:11 AM
cant believe all the talk about john boyle, obviously the dogs on the street know john is easily a county player ahead of the like of some members on the current panel. I hate the selection policy within the county, without going into character assassination too much (which is completely uncalled for in an amatuer sport), it really angers me that 3 intelligent men have went out of their way to appease the main movers 'n' shakers in down football with the panel they have put forward for the mckenna cup! The past decade in our own county senior football reeks of mediocrity and that is just not an outcome any of us are satisfied with especially with the talent our county boosts! Blame can only be put on managers so much but when it comes down to it, its the players that needed fingers pointed at, the current down panel is just not a reflection of our presigious past and also our current, in terms of club, sterling present ie Kilcoo are a credit to any sport organistaion but thankfully they are part of ours, are their players on the panel there by merit?. The present panel is just not a reflection of what is great and good about down football and because of this i find it hard to support them...and wont be either!

I dont live in down but i am a down man and the impending years panel, from what i see,  will NOT go the extra mile that lives amongst the majority of down men and our will to essentially beat the man we are marking! There is absolutely no bite in the bark of down football any more at senior county level, last years first round championship match against fermanagh is testament to this statement. Where is the hunger? where is the desire to win? You have no idea how much i'd love to be proved wrong on the above argument, i have my knife and fork ready to eat my rant!!!

2010 will be a mediorce year for down seniors- mark my words



Moderator who let the Linfield fan in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: backagainstthewall on December 06, 2009, 01:46:05 PM
sorry, it was a bit harsh. It is a forum based on peoples opinions and i was merely airing mine and as i said i'd loved to be proven wrong. Positiives about down at the moment would be we have 3 great guys at the helm and some superb players in the panel, is that enough ingredients for success?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 06, 2009, 04:16:57 PM
any other u20 scores? Bredagh beat St Marys 2-8 to 1-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on December 06, 2009, 04:57:15 PM
downpatrick comfortably beat carryduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on December 06, 2009, 06:11:35 PM
How has Calum King been over looked. He had a good game against the best side in the county, surely worth an inclusion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 06, 2009, 06:23:35 PM
Folks, on a completely different note, does anywhere know where i could purchase a DVD or multiple DVDs with all of Down's All Ireland Finals on it. Does such a thing exist, is there a compilation DVD of sorts. Looking it as a gift for someone for christmas and he would just love looking back through all the victories especially 60s.

thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on December 06, 2009, 06:58:43 PM
I have to agree that some of the comments about Boyle are way over the top, i think he is still only 22.

As for the squad picked, i think that most were there, Devlin and Poland i think are still a bit light ( but will be great players in the future), i think that Down have to start having a team that has a physical presence.
Thou I would have had Sloan,Walsh and King in the squad.

I assume that Turley and Howard are currently ruled out.

But as a few posters have already said its not really about finding new players ( i don't think that there are any superstars out there that the previous managements did not try), its about getting players who can play together and about playing tactics that allow us to tighten up at the back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 06, 2009, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on December 06, 2009, 06:58:43 PM
I have to agree that some of the comments about Boyle are way over the top, i think he is still only 22.

As for the squad picked, i think that most were there, Devlin and Poland i think are still a bit light ( but will be great players in the future), i think that Down have to start having a team that has a physical presence.
Thou I would have had Sloan,Walsh and King in the squad.

I assume that Turley and Howard are currently ruled out.

But as a few posters have already said its not really about finding new players ( i don't think that there are any superstars out there that the previous managements did not try), its about getting players who can play together and about playing tactics that allow us to tighten up at the back.

Injured and out of the country respectively.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on December 06, 2009, 10:44:03 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on December 06, 2009, 06:11:35 PM
How has Calum King been over looked. He had a good game against the best side in the county, surely worth an inclusion.

Wee James said that some players turned down the offer, maybe he was one of them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 06, 2009, 11:21:55 PM
Quote from: The Worker on December 06, 2009, 10:44:03 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on December 06, 2009, 06:11:35 PM
How has Calum King been over looked. He had a good game against the best side in the county, surely worth an inclusion.

Wee James said that some players turned down the offer, maybe he was one of them?

Callum King was invited to trials and didnt bother going. He is not there because he is not interested.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on December 07, 2009, 09:45:33 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 04, 2009, 11:53:48 PM
My take on this John Boyle thing is simple. There isn't a manager worth his salt in Down football that would come up against Warrenpoint without indicating that he is the player to be watched, and to stop him getting on the ball if possible.

That means he is a cut above a club footballer. Whether that makes him a county player or not, I don't know. But some of the comments on here are ridiculous; people taking one look at his demeanor and writing him off.

I'd also say that like a lot of players who grew up playing in central positions and central positions only, he probably doesn't adjust well to the different demands of playing on the wing; not being the main man.

Wobbler hit the nail on the Head here. He is the Points danger man. Stop him you stop the point. But i watched a match where he was marked by an average defender whilst playing half back. Hardly a positive tactic but he couldnt get out of the blocks. An in todays county games half forwards are nearly bigger defenders than forwards so Boyles role would be nulified. Great Warrenpoint player, but put him into a Bridge team and he will not shine any brighter than the rest. Some players just are not made for the county panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on December 07, 2009, 09:58:06 AM
In saying that, Wee James is shrewd and gave more committment on the field than just about everyone else. If he has the fire burning as a manager like when he played that will get into the Down squad and you will find this will be a successful year. They dont need to be expecting sam this year but if they knock out a couple of the tyrones, armaghs, corks along the way then they will be in prime position next year for the assult on glory. I predict big things in the next couple of seasons!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on December 07, 2009, 10:23:10 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 06, 2009, 06:23:35 PM
Folks, on a completely different note, does anywhere know where i could purchase a DVD or multiple DVDs with all of Down's All Ireland Finals on it. Does such a thing exist, is there a compilation DVD of sorts. Looking it as a gift for someone for christmas and he would just love looking back through all the victories especially 60s.

thanks in advance.

You can get DVD's of the finals from the 60's in HMV in Newry. They are in the back corner of the shop and are about £15.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 07, 2009, 10:43:48 AM
Good man Dangerous. Are they all individual DVDs of each final or what?
Again thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on December 07, 2009, 02:19:49 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 07, 2009, 10:43:48 AM
Good man Dangerous. Are they all individual DVDs of each final or what?
Again thanks in advance.

Yea, it is one final per DVD. I'm pretty sure that all 5 finals are there, but if not, I think O'Neills in Newry sells them as well...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 08, 2009, 10:19:15 AM
I see Seán Óg is having a good rant about message boards in the Irish News today.

He'd obviously much rather people went around sticking daggers in each others backs in a more discreet manner.


Jerry Quinn went on a similar rant at convention a few years ago before he got ousted. I've defended the county board continually on this forum, but their fear of GAA people talking GAA has crossed paranoia. There are more than a few clubs in this county quite reliant on this and other public message boards to find out the who, what, where and when of Down GAA. Yes there's bullsh1t and slander among the good stuff, but it's a price worth paying.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on December 08, 2009, 11:33:14 AM
Good man wobbler.  Does this signal the start of your long overdue return from the Dark Side?   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 08, 2009, 04:55:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 08, 2009, 10:19:15 AM
I see Seán Óg is having a good rant about message boards in the Irish News today.

He'd obviously much rather people went around sticking daggers in each others backs in a more discreet manner.


Jerry Quinn went on a similar rant at convention a few years ago before he got ousted. I've defended the county board continually on this forum, but their fear of GAA people talking GAA has crossed paranoia. There are more than a few clubs in this county quite reliant on this and other public message boards to find out the who, what, where and when of Down GAA. Yes there's bullsh1t and slander among the good stuff, but it's a price worth paying.

GAA Board is usually first for fixtures, results and league tables. The amount of people I know that use this site as a resource compared to our county website is frightening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 08, 2009, 06:44:46 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 08, 2009, 10:19:15 AM
I see Seán Óg is having a good rant about message boards in the Irish News today.

He'd obviously much rather people went around sticking daggers in each others backs in a more discreet manner.


Jerry Quinn went on a similar rant at convention a few years ago before he got ousted. I've defended the county board continually on this forum, but their fear of GAA people talking GAA has crossed paranoia. There are more than a few clubs in this county quite reliant on this and other public message boards to find out the who, what, where and when of Down GAA. Yes there's bullsh1t and slander among the good stuff, but it's a price worth paying.
Wobbler,Your comments tend to be insightful,honest and fair,regrettably that is not the case with all posters on this site,and therein lies the danger.Though the vast majority of posters use this site as a forum for news ,results,fixtures,and debate,a limited number use it to pedal factually incorrect,slanderous or vindictive nonsense.Before the advent of the internet this nonsense was usually reserved for the local pub,and  the comments were forgotten about very quickly.On these sites however,comments are there for all to read and are  recorded and reproduceable.Seán Óg among others has been the subject of unfair comments,and has every right to question the validity and usefulness of sites which bring pubtalk to a new level.Pubtalk is usually fuelled by drink and is not anonymous,Discussion boards on the other hand can be more calculated,and are protected by a shroud of anonymity.This anonymity can create even more difficulty,in that readers can make an inaccurate assumption about the identity or club affiliation of a poster,therefore feeding conflict or paranoia.
However,these sites are likely here to stay,and those that find them useful for information etc,should protect them,by challenging unfair personalised comments and reporting them to the moderator.
I disagree that slander should be tolerated AT ANY PRICE.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on December 08, 2009, 07:38:54 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 08, 2009, 04:55:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 08, 2009, 10:19:15 AM
I see Seán Óg is having a good rant about message boards in the Irish News today.

He'd obviously much rather people went around sticking daggers in each others backs in a more discreet manner.


Jerry Quinn went on a similar rant at convention a few years ago before he got ousted. I've defended the county board continually on this forum, but their fear of GAA people talking GAA has crossed paranoia. There are more than a few clubs in this county quite reliant on this and other public message boards to find out the who, what, where and when of Down GAA. Yes there's bullsh1t and slander among the good stuff, but it's a price worth paying.

GAA Board is usually first for fixtures, results and league tables. The amount of people I know that use this site as a resource compared to our county website is frightening.
I completely agree. When I want to know a result of a game or venue/time of s gsme, this is where i go to. Down Webiste doesnt cut it, in tht regard. Anyone that says the GAAboard doesnt surve a useful purpose is blind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on December 08, 2009, 07:46:06 PM
I think it would be fair to say that the majority of posters here know who thewobbler is. He has never tried to hide his identity and you wouldn't need to be a genius to work out who he is anyway. His comments are usually spot on and there are very few in the county who would have the knowledge and understanding of Down football that he has.
The same cannot be said of Sean og. This isn't intended to be an attack on Sean as his job can be a thankless one at times, even if it is well paid. But Sean has to stop worrying about other peoples opinions and get on with his job. He talks about the Down management fiasco, but surely he is to blame, not only as county secretary, but he was also part of the selection committee. Was it not his job to inform Wee James and Pete as to who had got the job?
Maybe we should give Sean's job to someone like thewobbler, he may remember to honour all the teams in Down who actually won something this year, something Sean forgot to do. And with the new football season almost on us, can we expect to see Sean on the field with the team or in the stand where he belongs? He knows as much about football as I know about nuclear physics, yet he is on the field for most pre match warm ups.
Put your own house in order Sean before you start laying into others. The vast majority of Down posters here, use this board to get info on Down GAA and to post up what they know, be that results, team news or the latest managerial merry-go-round. Maybe if we had a county website that was any use we wouldn't need this forum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on December 08, 2009, 07:48:48 PM
BRINGING Burren back to its heyday, that is a mission that newly appointed manager Frank Dawson is aiming to achieve.

Having spent the past four years with Longstone, he has decided to take over the reigns from Damien Barton, who spent a fruitless two years with the south Down club.

Dawson wants Burren to be at the top of Down football and he insists he is the man to take them there.

"Burren have to get back to the top of the championship pile," said Dawson.

"In a club like Burren our realistic target is winning the County Championship, because while you can talk about winning Ulster and All-Irelands but if you don't win your County it doesn't matter and that is what we want to do."

The St Ronan's Primary School Principle added: "Burren have a big tradition of winning Ulster titles and All-Irelands and I suppose they have been jealous looking at their neighbours Mayobridge, with the success they have had."

Burren have failed to win the championship in the past decade and for Dawson that is simply not good enough.

However, he is not relying on tradition to guide his men to success, but for Dawson the talent is already at the club, it is just about getting the best from his play-ers.

He is puzzled as to why Burren have failed to make the last few county finals and it is an issue he is ready to tackle head-on.

"What I have to do is find out if Burren have been making the best use of what is at the club. But that is something you don't know until you meet the players," said Dawson.

"At U21 level they have won the last four Down or South Down titles so the talent is definitely coming through so the talent is there.

"And over the past number of years Burren have been in the last number of semi-finals so we want to make the step up and reach the final.

"I need to look at why Burren have not made many finals," Dawson added.

The former Clonduff manager said: "Burren are a club that will never give short of 100 percent and will always compete to the end and they have quite a number of talented players.

If you look at the Down Dr McKenna Cup squad, Burren have the highest representation and people may argue it is bias from James McCartan. But I don't buy into that and when you look at the players he has selected it is hard to disagree with any of them.

Dan McCartan, Gerard McCartan, Declan Rooney, Kieran McGovern, James McGovern and Kevin McKernan are Burren players selected onto James McCartan's initial Down squad and Dawson expects these men to carry Burren to success.

The new manager is yet to name his assistant although he has confirmed it will be a Burren man.

Dawson said: "When I go to any club I never bring a man with me as I always look internally and get people from inside the club.

That way we can gleam experience off each other and that can benefit the club in the long term as I wont be there forever."

He expects to be with the Burren over the next two to three seasons and that is the time frame he has in mind to bring success to the club.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on December 08, 2009, 09:06:09 PM
Mid Down Gael will you check your PM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 09, 2009, 10:33:42 AM
From Sean O'g's report

The Dún Theas experiment will require monitoring in 2010 and 2011, and it must not be
governed by financial consideration alone but rather by hurling considerations. Are
we developing players to take their places on One county team? The answer will
determine if it is working or not.


I think Sean O'g has hit the nail on the head with what the Down junior team is all about. It should be used to bring young hurlers on to a standard from which they can improve enough to take their place with the full senior team.
The last few years have seen players on the team well into their thirties and touching their forties which is a short term agenda.
Get the young lads on there and even if they do lose the odd game, they'll certainly learn and improve for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 09, 2009, 11:59:52 AM
Either the RGU PRO is slightly delusional, or they have some Under 20s team. Their club notes claim that they won't be happy if they don't have at least 12 representatives on the County Under 21 team  :o. BIG statement.
Rostrevor had a big number with 7 in 2005, Can anyone remember a higher representation on a county squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 09, 2009, 01:09:17 PM
It might be my mind playing tricks but I'd be sure Clonduff had in region of 10 county minors in 1995.

By the way, if Hoops had even 8 county standard under-21s they would have walked Division II this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 09, 2009, 01:27:25 PM
if any club had that talent at their disposal they would walk the championship never mind the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 09, 2009, 01:38:05 PM
Think its a case of a PRO and his green and white tinted contact lens. Be interesting to see how many actually get on the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on December 09, 2009, 02:00:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 09, 2009, 01:09:17 PM
It might be my mind playing tricks but I'd be sure Clonduff had in region of 10 county minors in 1995.

By the way, if Hoops had even 8 county standard under-21s they would have walked Division II this year.

Don't think Clonduff had 10, as far as I can remember it was 6 or 7.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: county colours on December 09, 2009, 04:38:06 PM
Quote from: fairplay on December 09, 2009, 02:52:37 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 09, 2009, 01:38:05 PM
Think its a case of a PRO and his green and white tinted contact lens. Be interesting to see how many actually get on the panel.

RGU Notes
08 December 2009


The under 20 team had a busy but fruitful weekend. On Friday night they paid host to St Marys under lights. It was an atrocious night with a high wind and incessant rain throughout the game The teams were evenly enough matched in the first half with the Hoops going in two points in front thanks to a cracking goal from Boyler in the 14th minute. The home side upped the tempo in the second half adding another two goals and 4 points to their tally, Nathein Curran and Jarlaith Brannigan being the main scorers. Such was the tenacity and determination of the RGU defence that it took St Marys 28 minutes to register their one and only point in the second half. Final score 3-10 to 1-4.
Less than 40 hours later the squad was back for another battle on Sunday morning against Carryduff. The Hoops were never tested but maybe that is the way it appeared with the defence even more solid than they were on Friday and the sharp shooting forwards on top form. Final score 1-10 to 0-3. That leaves the RGU side undefeated with one game to go against Bredagh to decide who plays off to face the South Down champions. This young enthusiastic squad will be a force to reckon with no matter the opposition. The new county u 21 managers were at the game and were very impressed with the quality of our players and were amazed at the age of some of them especially Deccie Turley. Rumour has it Marty Brady said he, Oaksey and Richard would be disappointed if at least 12 of the squad didn't make it onto the County panel.

Marty Brady may well regret that statement. ;D ;D

The only explanation I can see here is that it is a typo and it should read 1/2 meaning 1 or 2, not f**kin 12!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hospitalpass on December 09, 2009, 05:24:28 PM
Anyone heard that Annaclone seem to be doing well in the transfer market this season again by once again plundering their local rivals Aghederg of their 2 best players. Funny this one as I heard Ruairi Simpson had a transfer form into Clann Na Banna a few weeks ago as he is living in Banbridge now, and also Kevin Anderson transferred to Aghaderg from some other side in Armagh in order to play for and win an AI minor medal. I know the 2 players harber county ambitions but lads should show a bit of commitment to their club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 09, 2009, 06:14:45 PM
Quote from: county colours on December 09, 2009, 04:38:06 PM
Quote from: fairplay on December 09, 2009, 02:52:37 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 09, 2009, 01:38:05 PM
Think its a case of a PRO and his green and white tinted contact lens. Be interesting to see how many actually get on the panel.

RGU Notes
08 December 2009


The under 20 team had a busy but fruitful weekend. On Friday night they paid host to St Marys under lights. It was an atrocious night with a high wind and incessant rain throughout the game The teams were evenly enough matched in the first half with the Hoops going in two points in front thanks to a cracking goal from Boyler in the 14th minute. The home side upped the tempo in the second half adding another two goals and 4 points to their tally, Nathein Curran and Jarlaith Brannigan being the main scorers. Such was the tenacity and determination of the RGU defence that it took St Marys 28 minutes to register their one and only point in the second half. Final score 3-10 to 1-4.
Less than 40 hours later the squad was back for another battle on Sunday morning against Carryduff. The Hoops were never tested but maybe that is the way it appeared with the defence even more solid than they were on Friday and the sharp shooting forwards on top form. Final score 1-10 to 0-3. That leaves the RGU side undefeated with one game to go against Bredagh to decide who plays off to face the South Down champions. This young enthusiastic squad will be a force to reckon with no matter the opposition. The new county u 21 managers were at the game and were very impressed with the quality of our players and were amazed at the age of some of them especially Deccie Turley. Rumour has it Marty Brady said he, Oaksey and Richard would be disappointed if at least 12 of the squad didn't make it onto the County panel.

Marty Brady may well regret that statement. ;D ;D

The only explanation I can see here is that it is a typo and it should read 1/2 meaning 1 or 2, not f**kin 12!!!

Damian Turley is only Downpatrick player who deserves his place on panel if the top 30 under 21s in the county are being selected. They have no one else in the top 30.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on December 09, 2009, 06:34:25 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on December 09, 2009, 06:14:45 PM
Quote from: county colours on December 09, 2009, 04:38:06 PM
Quote from: fairplay on December 09, 2009, 02:52:37 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 09, 2009, 01:38:05 PM
Think its a case of a PRO and his green and white tinted contact lens. Be interesting to see how many actually get on the panel.

RGU Notes
08 December 2009


The under 20 team had a busy but fruitful weekend. On Friday night they paid host to St Marys under lights. It was an atrocious night with a high wind and incessant rain throughout the game The teams were evenly enough matched in the first half with the Hoops going in two points in front thanks to a cracking goal from Boyler in the 14th minute. The home side upped the tempo in the second half adding another two goals and 4 points to their tally, Nathein Curran and Jarlaith Brannigan being the main scorers. Such was the tenacity and determination of the RGU defence that it took St Marys 28 minutes to register their one and only point in the second half. Final score 3-10 to 1-4.
Less than 40 hours later the squad was back for another battle on Sunday morning against Carryduff. The Hoops were never tested but maybe that is the way it appeared with the defence even more solid than they were on Friday and the sharp shooting forwards on top form. Final score 1-10 to 0-3. That leaves the RGU side undefeated with one game to go against Bredagh to decide who plays off to face the South Down champions. This young enthusiastic squad will be a force to reckon with no matter the opposition. The new county u 21 managers were at the game and were very impressed with the quality of our players and were amazed at the age of some of them especially Deccie Turley. Rumour has it Marty Brady said he, Oaksey and Richard would be disappointed if at least 12 of the squad didn't make it onto the County panel.

Marty Brady may well regret that statement. ;D ;D

The only explanation I can see here is that it is a typo and it should read 1/2 meaning 1 or 2, not f**kin 12!!!

Damian Turley is only Downpatrick player who deserves his place on panel if the top 30 under 21s in the county are being selected. They have no one else in the top 30.
Boys Hoops would not be my fav club but anyone who knows the RGU PRO would know he is taking the piss and this is a wind ,up aimed at the mentors mentioned.
But in fairness Damien Turley, good player and all that he is and probably desrving of squad place would not be in the top 3 Hoops players at this level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 09, 2009, 06:55:56 PM
Quote from: Hospitalpass on December 09, 2009, 05:24:28 PM
Anyone heard that Annaclone seem to be doing well in the transfer market this season again by once again plundering their local rivals Aghederg of their 2 best players. Funny this one as I heard Ruairi Simpson had a transfer form into Clann Na Banna a few weeks ago as he is living in Banbridge now, and also Kevin Anderson transferred to Aghaderg from some other side in Armagh in order to play for and win an AI minor medal. I know the 2 players harber county ambitions but lads should show a bit of commitment to their club

Point is Based on hearsay. Is your main reason signing up to this site to have a go at the two lads?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on December 09, 2009, 07:04:11 PM
Could a club the size of Downpatrick not appoint a PRO who can use a persons correct name? And not nick names?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on December 09, 2009, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on December 09, 2009, 07:04:11 PM
Could a club the size of Downpatrick not appoint a PRO who can use a persons correct name? And not nick names?
A club the size of Downpatrick cannot even appoint a PRO as far as I hear and actually the secretary is doing the job,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 09, 2009, 07:08:21 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 09, 2009, 06:55:56 PM
Quote from: Hospitalpass on December 09, 2009, 05:24:28 PM
Anyone heard that Annaclone seem to be doing well in the transfer market this season again by once again plundering their local rivals Aghederg of their 2 best players. Funny this one as I heard Ruairi Simpson had a transfer form into Clann Na Banna a few weeks ago as he is living in Banbridge now, and also Kevin Anderson transferred to Aghaderg from some other side in Armagh in order to play for and win an AI minor medal. I know the 2 players harber county ambitions but lads should show a bit of commitment to their club

Point is Based on hearsay. Is your main reason signing up to this site to have a go at the two lads?

Seems pretty much like that. This post is an excellent example of why there should be a "quarantine" period for new members. Idiots like this would probably lose patience.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: waitingforsam on December 09, 2009, 08:25:11 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 09, 2009, 07:08:21 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 09, 2009, 06:55:56 PM
Quote from: Hospitalpass on December 09, 2009, 05:24:28 PM
Anyone heard that Annaclone seem to be doing well in the transfer market this season again by once again plundering their local rivals Aghederg of their 2 best players. Funny this one as I heard Ruairi Simpson had a transfer form into Clann Na Banna a few weeks ago as he is living in Banbridge now, and also Kevin Anderson transferred to Aghaderg from some other side in Armagh in order to play for and win an AI minor medal. I know the 2 players harber county ambitions but lads should show a bit of commitment to their club

Point is Based on hearsay. Is your main reason signing up to this site to have a go at the two lads?

Seems pretty much like that. This post is an excellent example of why there should be a "quarantine" period for new members. Idiots like this would probably lose patience.


Step back guys, so you didnt like his/her 1st post. I think the main reason for the post was to seek clarification on what they 'heard', albeit could have been stated in a different manner.......

Hardly worth your 2 childish responses...... (In my opinion of course, if i am allowed to express my opinion that is......)    ;D


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on December 09, 2009, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: waitingforsam on December 09, 2009, 08:25:11 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on December 09, 2009, 07:08:21 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 09, 2009, 06:55:56 PM
Quote from: Hospitalpass on December 09, 2009, 05:24:28 PM
Anyone heard that Annaclone seem to be doing well in the transfer market this season again by once again plundering their local rivals Aghederg of their 2 best players. Funny this one as I heard Ruairi Simpson had a transfer form into Clann Na Banna a few weeks ago as he is living in Banbridge now, and also Kevin Anderson transferred to Aghaderg from some other side in Armagh in order to play for and win an AI minor medal. I know the 2 players harber county ambitions but lads should show a bit of commitment to their club

Point is Based on hearsay. Is your main reason signing up to this site to have a go at the two lads?

Seems pretty much like that. This post is an excellent example of why there should be a "quarantine" period for new members. Idiots like this would probably lose patience.


Step back guys, so you didnt like his/her 1st post. I think the main reason for the post was to seek clarification on what they 'heard', albeit could have been stated in a different manner.......

Hardly worth your 2 childish responses...... (In my opinion of course, if i am allowed to express my opinion that is......)    ;D

Have to say that i'll make a 'childish' response as well in support of the two posters you are referring to & also show my annoyance at a lot of the sh-te posted on here by newbies who clearly only come on to stir the pot.
I'm not saying established posters including myself don't post some crap, but without having the stats to hand it does appear that the newbies are usually out to show everybody how big their c@ck is in their first few posts.
Had a similar discussion with WWW a couple of weeks back & after a bit of tooing & frowing of messages it was quite clear we wern't getting anywhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hospitalpass on December 10, 2009, 07:13:07 AM
Thanks waiting, yes I was asking had anone else heard this as  I heard it from a few sources and was finding it hard to believe. I though that fact I started the quote with anyone heard might have showed this but guess not!
@dundrum no my point in signing up had  nothing to do with the lads in question, I initially signed up to the site so I could get any up to date info in what was going on in the county and tbh I hadn't planned on posting at all really, but thought I would in hope someone could clarify if what I was hearing was true.
@TAM, idiot? because I asked if anyone else had heard this?
@mourne, well the fact your even comparing asking about whether rumours are true are not and the size of peoples c-cks is just plain wrong.

PS.
Had it confirmed at the gym  last night by a few lads who could speak about the matter in some authority that each and every point I asked about in my original post is correct. So dundrum it appears this hearsay was spot on alright

A lot of people on hear seem to have a problem with 'newbies' posting on the site if the post something more experienced members don't agree with, maybe you experienced board members should start a petition that newbies can nt post on the site until they have posted 100 posts and became experienced  enough to have an opinion;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 10, 2009, 12:32:12 PM
Move along, nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 10, 2009, 04:31:41 PM
Just got the new yearbook. Its hard back this year and looks very impressive. Well done to Diarmuid Cahill and those that helped him put it together. Great publication.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on December 10, 2009, 04:42:43 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 10, 2009, 04:31:41 PM
Just got the new yearbook. Its hard back this year and looks very impressive. Well done to Diarmuid Cahill and those that helped him put it together. Great publication.

I'm looking forward to seeing another great Down yearbook, I think they go out to the clubs at the weekend but maybe for future years I feel it would be good if clubs got their quota of yearbooks maybe a week before they hit the shops, this way, the club's should find it easier to sell them rather than clubs trying to get rid of their's after they've been in the shops.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on December 10, 2009, 04:43:25 PM
Thanks to Out in Front and the Newry Reporter for the sports books they supplied as prizes for the predictions competition. That's a few christmas boxes sorted out!

For those of you who don't remember - I won the Down Championships predictions competition!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on December 10, 2009, 05:50:42 PM
cant wait until mckenna cup, nat league and local leagues syart. some dung on here now. thought there would be some comment about rule changes for nat lg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on December 10, 2009, 05:54:18 PM
Quote from: extra time on December 10, 2009, 05:50:42 PM
cant wait until mckenna cup, nat league and local leagues syart. some dung on here now. thought there would be some comment about rule changes for nat lg

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=14760.0

There you go extra time.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 10, 2009, 06:02:48 PM
Quote from: Bacon on December 10, 2009, 04:43:25 PM
Thanks to Out in Front and the Newry Reporter for the sports books they supplied as prizes for the predictions competition. That's a few christmas boxes sorted out!

For those of you who don't remember - I won the Down Championships predictions competition!  ;D

The goalposts were changed at the last minute as I was led to believe that there was going to be a playoff between first and second to decide the winner.

I took my foot off the gas in the last round of games as I didn't want to peak before our playoff game. The GAA Board Predicition Competition Board have a lot to answer for  >:(

Btw, thanks to Out in Front and the Newry Reporter. Ill get my message boy to pick them up before Xmas.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 10, 2009, 09:26:19 PM
Quote from: Bacon on December 10, 2009, 04:43:25 PM
Thanks to Out in Front and the Newry Reporter for the sports books they supplied as prizes for the predictions competition. That's a few christmas boxes sorted out!

For those of you who don't remember - I won the Down Championships predictions competition!  ;D

Bacon, i am delighted that you got something as a reward for coming out on top in Prediction League, Congratulation again,

Also i see that DownFanatic got his prize too. he done very well coming first last year and taken second place this year and already top favourite for 2010, i bet he made lots of money at bookies!!
Hope 3rd, 4th and 5th winners also receive their prizes too.

Like to thanks Out in Front and Newry Reporter for providing the prizes.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 10, 2009, 11:39:21 PM
DF or the self confessed "oracle" is my favourite for 2010 also. Be interesting to see how he copes with the pressure. I have seen him wilt under the pressure of important 21 yard free kicks on that "trusty left foot" of his. However, this is a different type of pressure  ;) I am giving him odds of 3-1 for next year. Well run competition, thanks to out in front, newry reporter and particularly umpire for his running of it. Gives value to this particular forum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on December 11, 2009, 08:28:27 AM
What do people think of the new rules?
Personally I don't like them. The mark between the 50's will slow the game down, the penalty spot moving to just 11 metres out will make it far too easy to score- I'd rather the goals were made as wide as soccer goals to lead to more scores.
i think the square ball rule will lead to several goals that have more to do with luck than skill and will lead to many keepers getting flattened due to the fact that they will have a 1-2 yard run up for a high ball while a full-forward can come charging in from 10-12 yards out at full pace to leap for a ball.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on December 11, 2009, 08:54:14 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on December 11, 2009, 08:28:27 AM
What do people think of the new rules?
Personally I don't like them. The mark between the 50's will slow the game down, the penalty spot moving to just 11 metres out will make it far too easy to score- I'd rather the goals were made as wide as soccer goals to lead to more scores.
i think the square ball rule will lead to several goals that have more to do with luck than skill and will lead to many keepers getting flattened due to the fact that they will have a 1-2 yard run up for a high ball while a full-forward can come charging in from 10-12 yards out at full pace to leap for a ball.
Keepers get to much protection anyway it was turning into a soocer type scenairo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on December 11, 2009, 09:48:03 AM
Quote from: off the laces on December 11, 2009, 08:54:14 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on December 11, 2009, 08:28:27 AM
What do people think of the new rules?
Personally I don't like them. The mark between the 50's will slow the game down, the penalty spot moving to just 11 metres out will make it far too easy to score- I'd rather the goals were made as wide as soccer goals to lead to more scores.
i think the square ball rule will lead to several goals that have more to do with luck than skill and will lead to many keepers getting flattened due to the fact that they will have a 1-2 yard run up for a high ball while a full-forward can come charging in from 10-12 yards out at full pace to leap for a ball.
Keepers get to much protection anyway it was turning into a soocer type scenairo

This has came too late. There were some keepers that deserved flattened when i was playing. But in seriousness, the comment about keepers getting flattened because forwards can come charging in. Is that not the rule at the minute??? you cant be in the box and have to move into it! Personally i dont see how it makes much difference and probably helps the keeper more because all he has to do is get close to a big sloth forward who is told to stand in the corner and get the balls that are lobbed in. If he gets touched he wins a free just as in the old rules, cant touch the keeper.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on December 11, 2009, 01:43:06 PM
true cant touch him when he is in the air, but what i hate and have seen it more than a not a right few times is a keeper getting the ball and running out towards an opposition player and getting a free, because the forward stood his ground and the keeper bounced off him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fender on December 12, 2009, 04:16:10 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on December 11, 2009, 08:28:27 AM
What do people think of the new rules?
Personally I don't like them. The mark between the 50's will slow the game down, the penalty spot moving to just 11 metres out will make it far too easy to score- I'd rather the goals were made as wide as soccer goals to lead to more scores.
i think the square ball rule will lead to several goals that have more to do with luck than skill and will lead to many keepers getting flattened due to the fact that they will have a 1-2 yard run up for a high ball while a full-forward can come charging in from 10-12 yards out at full pace to leap for a ball.

If these rules where to be brought into our own county leagues, our refs will be slaughtered!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Boat Race In The Crowd on December 13, 2009, 05:20:43 PM
Great win for Bredagh U20's away to Downpatrick this afternoon. Good match with plenty of impressive play from both teams. Bredagh 3 points down with 4 minutes left, hit 1-02 to win by 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 13, 2009, 06:23:04 PM
Quote from: Boat Race In The Crowd on December 13, 2009, 05:20:43 PM
Great win for Bredagh U20's away to Downpatrick this afternoon. Good match with plenty of impressive play from both teams. Bredagh 3 points down with 4 minutes left, hit 1-02 to win by 2.

Great win indeed. not sure were that leaves the league, by my reckoning its:

DPK  8 points from 5 games
Bredagh 6 from 4
Bryansford 5 from 4
Cduff 5 from 4
St Marys 0 from 5

not sure about Cwellan, actually not sure abot a few of them so feel free to let me know
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Boat Race In The Crowd on December 13, 2009, 06:41:11 PM
BD, the story is:
DPK 8 from 5
Bford 7 from 5
Bredagh 6 from 4
Cwellan are out of it
Bredagh v Cwellan next Sunday, Bredagh need to win to be sure of ply-off place
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on December 13, 2009, 07:50:00 PM
If the Bredagh / C Wellan match is not until next week then it looks like after Christmas for ED Final and then well into New Year for AllCounty Finals
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 13, 2009, 08:11:25 PM
right, whats the craoc with who plays who? I think in South Down Burren are the A champions and Mayobridge are the B, so is it the team that finishes top in ED that will play Burren and the team in second play Mayobridge. So say Bredagh beat C'wellen and they and DPK finish level on points, is it points difference to determine the winner?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on December 13, 2009, 08:25:42 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 13, 2009, 08:11:25 PM
right, whats the craoc with who plays who? I think in South Down Burren are the A champions and Mayobridge are the B, so is it the team that finishes top in ED that will play Burren and the team in second play Mayobridge. So say Bredagh beat C'wellen and they and DPK finish level on points, is it points difference to determine the winner?
I have heard though have not seen it written anywhere that top two play off on ED irrespective of points difference
Title: Re: (No subject)
Post by: johnneycool on December 13, 2009, 08:57:55 PM
Ger monan new down hurling manager according to some very good sources.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: shambo on December 13, 2009, 09:09:30 PM
How will that go down with the other clubs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Boat Race In The Crowd on December 13, 2009, 09:25:25 PM
The official rule is that the top two play-off....winner is 'A' champion and loser is 'B' champion.
It will get a bit more complicated if Bredagh draw with Cwellan as they will be level on points with Bford in 2nd place. Not sure what happens then, score difference? play-off for 2nd? dunno...will get it confirmed by the ED secretary
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 13, 2009, 09:26:35 PM
Quote from: Boat Race In The Crowd on December 13, 2009, 09:25:25 PM
The official rule is that the top two play-off....winner is 'A' champion and loser is 'B' champion.
It will get a bit more complicated if Bredagh draw with Cwellan as they will be level on points with Bford in 2nd place. Not sure what happens then, score difference? play-off for 2nd? dunno...will get it confirmed by the ED secretary

cheers.
Title: Re: (No subject)
Post by: Bacon on December 13, 2009, 09:35:46 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 13, 2009, 08:57:55 PM
Ger monan new down hurling manager according to some very good sources.

Good appointment if this is trough IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 13, 2009, 10:06:16 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 14, 2009, 12:25:17 AM
how come the u20 competition in east down seems to be far better organised with teams getting far more matches than south down?
Title: FAO off the laces/6th Sam
Post by: No1 on December 14, 2009, 09:06:40 AM
Any truth in the rumour that Paul Evans is taking RGU III's S*ul this year?   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 14, 2009, 09:30:55 AM
Quote from: supersub on December 14, 2009, 12:25:17 AM
how come the u20 competition in east down seems to be far better organised with teams getting far more matches than south down?

what happened in South Down? how many entered it, how many matches did the teams have?
Title: Re: FAO off the laces/6th Sam
Post by: dundrumite on December 14, 2009, 11:28:13 AM
Quote from: No1 on December 14, 2009, 09:06:40 AM
Any truth in the rumour that Paul Evans is taking RGU III's S*ul this year?   ;)
He took them before and got them promoted in 2003 perhaps?
Remember playing them in Saul that year. He had them in a circle in their warm up as we were jogging past and he was roaring at them to get stuck into that shower of sh@@e. Gave us all the motivation we needed that day.
Though to be fair he did have them very fit and they played some very good stuff under him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 14, 2009, 12:17:24 PM
Outgoing Chairman Kevin Bell is quoted in Irish News as having been excluded from the county 125 parade and celebrations. How did this happen and who is he getting at?

Also who is the new PRO and will he sort out the disaster that is the Down website?
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 14, 2009, 12:20:22 PM
Anyone at the convention yesterday? Congratulations to Séamus Walsh on getting the big job. Always a very pleasant guy to deal with. Best of luck to him.
Title: Re: FAO off the laces/6th Sam
Post by: off the laces on December 14, 2009, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 14, 2009, 11:28:13 AM
Quote from: No1 on December 14, 2009, 09:06:40 AM
Any truth in the rumour that Paul Evans is taking RGU III's S*ul this year?   ;)
He took them before and got them promoted in 2003 perhaps?
Remember playing them in Saul that year. He had them in a circle in their warm up as we were jogging past and he was roaring at them to get stuck into that shower of sh@@e. Gave us all the motivation we needed that day.
Though to be fair he did have them very fit and they played some very good stuff under him.
If that is indeed true i will look forward to watching the games next year because knowing the man i believe he will get the best out off the current panel. Just hope the older guy's stay around to give the much needed experience as the league will be a tough run in this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on December 14, 2009, 04:58:13 PM
Heard there was an attempt to find out who the hell was responible for agreeing to hand over a down payment of several hundred thousand pounds for land(without planning permission) to replace that lost by Bryansford with the sale of Newcastle.To this day the planning permission still has not been granted.The debate was strangled- only last week Sean OG was quoted that buisness should be conducted 'THE DOWN WAY'.What kind of people do we have as administraters with this sort of malpractice plunging us further into the red with seemingly no light at the end of the tunnel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on December 14, 2009, 06:39:11 PM
What u mean lost by Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on December 15, 2009, 09:20:53 AM
Quote from: 13aside on December 14, 2009, 04:58:13 PM
Heard there was an attempt to find out who the hell was responible for agreeing to hand over a down payment of several hundred thousand pounds for land(without planning permission) to replace that lost by Bryansford with the sale of Newcastle.To this day the planning permission still has not been granted.The debate was strangled- only last week Sean OG was quoted that buisness should be conducted 'THE DOWN WAY'.What kind of people do we have as administraters with this sort of malpractice plunging us further into the red with seemingly no light at the end of the tunnel.

I assume you mean a payment from DCB to get them to leave??? I thought this was normal?!? The county board wanted the ground for their own use (make a clondyke from its sale) and needed Bryansford out of the way. They were right to ask for a payment to move, not very gaa minded but business minded. Every club needs money to operate and they took advantage of their situation. 13, has the money been paid over yet? And what was the figure? I thought plans were approved back in October time from reading the papers??

To be honest i think everyone needs to take a step back when complaining about the sale of the ground. DCB had the right idea in selling it but the market disappeared. it is not worth the same money now we all agree but they couldnt sell it without having Bryansford sorted. If the market had not collapsed i would think most would be happy with the millions they would have got. Also it is hardly the Down boards fault for the planning process being slow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 15, 2009, 12:22:30 PM
Certainly the initial figures being bandied about for Newcastle are no longer on the table but even if 50% of the fugure talked about was available for the 8 or 9 odd acres in Newcastle then the deal is still achievable.

The pitch development at Bryansford seems to be fairly expensive by todays prices but when the deal for that ground was done I suppose that was normal.

The remaining monies will have to be used wisely and any training facilities or centres of excellence will need to be purchased and developed with current pricings in mind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 15, 2009, 12:26:43 PM
Quote from: Leo on December 14, 2009, 12:17:24 PM
Outgoing Chairman Kevin Bell is quoted in Irish News as having been excluded from the county 125 parade and celebrations. How did this happen and who is he getting at?

Also who is the new PRO and will he sort out the disaster that is the Down website?

i think it was Sean O'g he was having a go at.

He is also allegedly unhappy about not being involved in the selection committee for the appointment of the senior football manager but I'd be in disagreement with him if the committee set up to appoint one had a good knowledge of the game, I'm not so sure Kevin would fit that bill.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 15, 2009, 10:20:18 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 14, 2009, 09:30:55 AM
Quote from: supersub on December 14, 2009, 12:25:17 AM
how come the u20 competition in east down seems to be far better organised with teams getting far more matches than south down?

what happened in South Down? how many entered it, how many matches did the teams have?

I think there was supposed to be two groups of 5 but some teams pulled out and didnt turn up etc so I think our fellas only played 2 competitive matches before the B final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on December 16, 2009, 02:03:44 AM
Quote from: When We Win on December 15, 2009, 09:20:53 AM
Quote from: 13aside on December 14, 2009, 04:58:13 PM
Heard there was an attempt to find out who the hell was responible for agreeing to hand over a down payment of several hundred thousand pounds for land(without planning permission) to replace that lost by Bryansford with the sale of Newcastle.To this day the planning permission still has not been granted.The debate was strangled- only last week Sean OG was quoted that buisness should be conducted 'THE DOWN WAY'.What kind of people do we have as administraters with this sort of malpractice plunging us further into the red with seemingly no light at the end of the tunnel.

I assume you mean a payment from DCB to get them to leave??? I thought this was normal?!? The county board wanted the ground for their own use (make a clondyke from its sale) and needed Bryansford out of the way. They were right to ask for a payment to move, not very gaa minded but business minded. Every club needs money to operate and they took advantage of their situation. 13, has the money been paid over yet? And what was the figure? I thought plans were approved back in October time from reading the papers??

To be honest i think everyone needs to take a step back when complaining about the sale of the ground. DCB had the right idea in selling it but the market disappeared. it is not worth the same money now we all agree but they couldnt sell it without having Bryansford sorted. If the market had not collapsed i would think most would be happy with the millions they would have got. Also it is hardly the Down boards fault for the planning process being slow.

I also wonder how many on the county board know the history of the park or the deeds.. reason i say this is because Annsley owned the pitch, he gave it to the Parish on the condition it was to be used for the furtherment of sport within the newcastle area....Somewhere along the line the Church sold it to t he GAA this was fine as it was still being used for sport now the GAA wantto sell it to a retailer that breaks the agreement writin in the deeds therefore the Annsley estate if they wished could come in and take the land back......see everyday is a school day
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on December 16, 2009, 08:32:53 AM
It gets better and better- what a mess!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on December 16, 2009, 09:10:10 AM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 16, 2009, 02:03:44 AM
Quote from: When We Win on December 15, 2009, 09:20:53 AM
Quote from: 13aside on December 14, 2009, 04:58:13 PM
Heard there was an attempt to find out who the hell was responible for agreeing to hand over a down payment of several hundred thousand pounds for land(without planning permission) to replace that lost by Bryansford with the sale of Newcastle.To this day the planning permission still has not been granted.The debate was strangled- only last week Sean OG was quoted that buisness should be conducted 'THE DOWN WAY'.What kind of people do we have as administraters with this sort of malpractice plunging us further into the red with seemingly no light at the end of the tunnel.

I assume you mean a payment from DCB to get them to leave??? I thought this was normal?!? The county board wanted the ground for their own use (make a clondyke from its sale) and needed Bryansford out of the way. They were right to ask for a payment to move, not very gaa minded but business minded. Every club needs money to operate and they took advantage of their situation. 13, has the money been paid over yet? And what was the figure? I thought plans were approved back in October time from reading the papers??

To be honest i think everyone needs to take a step back when complaining about the sale of the ground. DCB had the right idea in selling it but the market disappeared. it is not worth the same money now we all agree but they couldnt sell it without having Bryansford sorted. If the market had not collapsed i would think most would be happy with the millions they would have got. Also it is hardly the Down boards fault for the planning process being slow.

I also wonder how many on the county board know the history of the park or the deeds.. reason i say this is because Annsley owned the pitch, he gave it to the Parish on the condition it was to be used for the furtherment of sport within the newcastle area....Somewhere along the line the Church sold it to t he GAA this was fine as it was still being used for sport now the GAA wantto sell it to a retailer that breaks the agreement writin in the deeds therefore the Annsley estate if they wished could come in and take the land back......see everyday is a school day

I dont believe this is the case. Statements like that will cause uproar around the county for no reason. There are systems in the Planning service which allow old conditions to be relaxed or re-drawn. I know this because my sister got planning for a house on a old piece of scrubland which was not to be used for anything other than allotment or something. The architect did something to get around this or used some old case arguement.

So to be honest eartotheground i think your a bit of the mark with that statement. I dont think the county board would have went down this route without taking advice from the relevent experts!!! Plus i am sure there are some people in the county board who have knowledge or waken advice from others who went down this route.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 16, 2009, 10:02:48 AM
Any thoughts on the selection of Downpatrick as the secondary county venue.This is a credit to the foresight of the RGU club in developing excellent premises over the last few years.The thought of Down county teams in football,hurling and camogie taking to the field in this part of the county is a major boost.The development of Newry has proved a great success,and establishing another venue in a major urban area,will hopefully have a positive spin-off ,for East Down and therefore the county as a whole.It is also more accessible to the North Down clubs,who despite great work at underage are not producing significant numbers of county players.County matches at a more convenient venue may improve the affinity of North Down players with Down GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on December 16, 2009, 10:30:40 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 16, 2009, 10:02:48 AM
Any thoughts on the selection of Downpatrick as the secondary county venue.This is a credit to the foresight of the RGU club in developing excellent premises over the last few years.The thought of Down county teams in football,hurling and camogie taking to the field in this part of the county is a major boost.The development of Newry has proved a great success,and establishing another venue in a major urban area,will hopefully have a positive spin-off ,for East Down and therefore the county as a whole.It is also more accessible to the North Down clubs,who despite great work at underage are not producing significant numbers of county players.County matches at a more convenient venue may improve the affinity of North Down players with Down GAA.
I think it is great news for the county in general and this part of the county in particularAs you say it is a credit not just to the guys who are there now but those who bought this piece of land some years ago.
Logistically there is no better place in the county given the excellent parking for miles around the area and also the ground around the pitch which would allow for the developent of stand and terracing etc as would be required for a county pitch.
I dont think this is finalised yet, just that the Ulster Council would prefer it, but realistically there is no where else in the county that you could site a second county ground.
Allied to this it is the county Town and also there is the recent developments in relation the discovery that one of the founders of the GAA was a Downpatrick man. I read in todays Down Recorder that there was a night in the RGU clubrooms last weekend marking this.
Any word of when there might be movement on this development
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 16, 2009, 11:29:47 AM
Haven't heard anything other than via the report on Kevin Bell's announcement at convention.
I agree that the local connection of John McKay is a boost.The profile of GAA in East Down has definitely waned over the years,but there are signs of a revival among a number of clubs.The staging of inter-county games in Downpatrick can only increase the profile of the GAA in the area.Having said that I would imagine that a centrally located County training ground,as per Owenbeg in Derry,would also be a priority for the county,if and when funds are available.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 16, 2009, 11:58:36 AM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 16, 2009, 02:03:44 AM
Quote from: When We Win on December 15, 2009, 09:20:53 AM
Quote from: 13aside on December 14, 2009, 04:58:13 PM
Heard there was an attempt to find out who the hell was responible for agreeing to hand over a down payment of several hundred thousand pounds for land(without planning permission) to replace that lost by Bryansford with the sale of Newcastle.To this day the planning permission still has not been granted.The debate was strangled- only last week Sean OG was quoted that buisness should be conducted 'THE DOWN WAY'.What kind of people do we have as administraters with this sort of malpractice plunging us further into the red with seemingly no light at the end of the tunnel.

I assume you mean a payment from DCB to get them to leave??? I thought this was normal?!? The county board wanted the ground for their own use (make a clondyke from its sale) and needed Bryansford out of the way. They were right to ask for a payment to move, not very gaa minded but business minded. Every club needs money to operate and they took advantage of their situation. 13, has the money been paid over yet? And what was the figure? I thought plans were approved back in October time from reading the papers??

To be honest i think everyone needs to take a step back when complaining about the sale of the ground. DCB had the right idea in selling it but the market disappeared. it is not worth the same money now we all agree but they couldnt sell it without having Bryansford sorted. If the market had not collapsed i would think most would be happy with the millions they would have got. Also it is hardly the Down boards fault for the planning process being slow.

I also wonder how many on the county board know the history of the park or the deeds.. reason i say this is because Annsley owned the pitch, he gave it to the Parish on the condition it was to be used for the furtherment of sport within the newcastle area....Somewhere along the line the Church sold it to t he GAA this was fine as it was still being used for sport now the GAA wantto sell it to a retailer that breaks the agreement writin in the deeds therefore the Annsley estate if they wished could come in and take the land back......see everyday is a school day

Nothing surprises me anymore as the county don't own Parc Esler either and that come from a very senior man in Down GAA circles, so when Sean O'g talks about doing things the Down way, I panic a bit.


Downpatrick is a good natural ampitheatre to watch a game in but not so sure about access and parking for anything remotely resembling a big crowd, but i suppose with a bit of better traffic management of surrounding roads you might be able to shift a big crowd in decent time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on December 16, 2009, 01:49:22 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 16, 2009, 10:02:48 AM
Any thoughts on the selection of Downpatrick as the secondary county venue.This is a credit to the foresight of the RGU club in developing excellent premises over the last few years.The thought of Down county teams in football,hurling and camogie taking to the field in this part of the county is a major boost.The development of Newry has proved a great success,and establishing another venue in a major urban area,will hopefully have a positive spin-off ,for East Down and therefore the county as a whole.It is also more accessible to the North Down clubs,who despite great work at underage are not producing significant numbers of county players.County matches at a more convenient venue may improve the affinity of North Down players with Down GAA.

Very good news. Obviously the bigger games will remain in Newry, but it's good to know that perhaps some national league games will be played in Downpatrick. I don't buy into this south Down/ east Down, bias, argument, or whatever you would call it, but since the loss of Newcastle as a county ground I have missed having the odd game played in the east down area.

Fair play to Downpatrick for their efforts. They might have to do a wee bit more work to some of the steeper grassed banks before they can entertain some of the bigger national league games though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on December 16, 2009, 02:03:51 PM
Quote from: When We Win on December 16, 2009, 09:10:10 AM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 16, 2009, 02:03:44 AM
Quote from: When We Win on December 15, 2009, 09:20:53 AM
Quote from: 13aside on December 14, 2009, 04:58:13 PM
Heard there was an attempt to find out who the hell was responible for agreeing to hand over a down payment of several hundred thousand pounds for land(without planning permission) to replace that lost by Bryansford with the sale of Newcastle.To this day the planning permission still has not been granted.The debate was strangled- only last week Sean OG was quoted that buisness should be conducted 'THE DOWN WAY'.What kind of people do we have as administraters with this sort of malpractice plunging us further into the red with seemingly no light at the end of the tunnel.

I assume you mean a payment from DCB to get them to leave??? I thought this was normal?!? The county board wanted the ground for their own use (make a clondyke from its sale) and needed Bryansford out of the way. They were right to ask for a payment to move, not very gaa minded but business minded. Every club needs money to operate and they took advantage of their situation. 13, has the money been paid over yet? And what was the figure? I thought plans were approved back in October time from reading the papers??

To be honest i think everyone needs to take a step back when complaining about the sale of the ground. DCB had the right idea in selling it but the market disappeared. it is not worth the same money now we all agree but they couldnt sell it without having Bryansford sorted. If the market had not collapsed i would think most would be happy with the millions they would have got. Also it is hardly the Down boards fault for the planning process being slow.

I also wonder how many on the county board know the history of the park or the deeds.. reason i say this is because Annsley owned the pitch, he gave it to the Parish on the condition it was to be used for the furtherment of sport within the newcastle area....Somewhere along the line the Church sold it to t he GAA this was fine as it was still being used for sport now the GAA wantto sell it to a retailer that breaks the agreement writin in the deeds therefore the Annsley estate if they wished could come in and take the land back......see everyday is a school day

I dont believe this is the case. Statements like that will cause uproar around the county for no reason. There are systems in the Planning service which allow old conditions to be relaxed or re-drawn. I know this because my sister got planning for a house on a old piece of scrubland which was not to be used for anything other than allotment or something. The architect did something to get around this or used some old case arguement.

So to be honest eartotheground i think your a bit of the mark with that statement. I dont think the county board would have went down this route without taking advice from the relevent experts!!! Plus i am sure there are some people in the county board who have knowledge or waken advice from others who went down this route.
to make myself clear on this point i'm not having a dig at the county board but its a fact that not many people know and no matter about planning it still does not take away from the fact that the annsley estate will have the final say on St Patricks park
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on December 16, 2009, 04:14:36 PM
Did a well timed rumour(Down gaa related) before convention began on Sunday help scupper the hopes of a certain candidate getting one of the top posts on the CB?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on December 16, 2009, 05:01:22 PM
Will Div 3 start early in 2010?i seem to remember it starting early for 2009,that correct?how much earlier?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on December 16, 2009, 09:12:16 PM
Quote from: fairplay on December 16, 2009, 08:02:20 PM
Quote from: 13aside on December 16, 2009, 04:14:36 PM
Did a well timed rumour(Down gaa related) before convention began on Sunday help scupper the hopes of a certain candidate getting one of the top posts on the CB?
A clue please.Which post and we'll work out the rest hopefully?
Would it be the the chairman's post. Was wondering when I read Kevin Bells outburst re the 125 celebrations was he having a pre election dig at John Devenney?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on December 16, 2009, 09:42:55 PM
Let me first say that i wish the new co.chairman and his committee the best of luck for the immediate and long term in their quest to bring the glory years back to Down,but pardon me if i'm wrong but didn't a South Down weekly that ive just read tonight have at least two blasts at the new man at the top.Not to rake over old ground but the author may just still be carrying someof the   baggage he loosely mentions   himself ? (OUCH!!)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on December 16, 2009, 09:53:37 PM
Quote from: 13aside on December 16, 2009, 09:42:55 PM
Let me first say that i wish the new co.chairman and his committee the best of luck for the immediate and long term in their quest to bring the glory years back to Down,but pardon me if i'm wrong but didn't a South Down weekly that ive just read tonight have at least two blasts at the new man at the top.Not to rake over old ground but the author may just still be carrying someof the   baggage he loosely mentions   himself ? (OUCH!!)
That wouldn't be the old Hilltown mafia now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on December 17, 2009, 01:21:30 AM
Who owns Pairc Esler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on December 17, 2009, 09:33:51 AM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on December 16, 2009, 05:01:22 PM
Will Div 3 start early in 2010?i seem to remember it starting early for 2009,that correct?how much earlier?

it started in March in 2008, but didn't start until the 17th April this year. not sure when they intend to start the leagues next year though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on December 17, 2009, 10:24:59 AM
Many thanks to Dairmuid Cahill for the excellent work he has done over recent years.His production of the Down yearbooks is second to none.I'm sure countless hours and numerous communications with the various clubs and bodies to collect the relevant material were accumulated.Good luck to him in his new post as Ulster Council delegate,and once again thank you!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on December 17, 2009, 10:34:38 AM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 16, 2009, 02:03:51 PM
Quote from: When We Win on December 16, 2009, 09:10:10 AM
Quote from: Eartotheground on December 16, 2009, 02:03:44 AM
Quote from: When We Win on December 15, 2009, 09:20:53 AM
Quote from: 13aside on December 14, 2009, 04:58:13 PM
Heard there was an attempt to find out who the hell was responible for agreeing to hand over a down payment of several hundred thousand pounds for land(without planning permission) to replace that lost by Bryansford with the sale of Newcastle.To this day the planning permission still has not been granted.The debate was strangled- only last week Sean OG was quoted that buisness should be conducted 'THE DOWN WAY'.What kind of people do we have as administraters with this sort of malpractice plunging us further into the red with seemingly no light at the end of the tunnel.

I assume you mean a payment from DCB to get them to leave??? I thought this was normal?!? The county board wanted the ground for their own use (make a clondyke from its sale) and needed Bryansford out of the way. They were right to ask for a payment to move, not very gaa minded but business minded. Every club needs money to operate and they took advantage of their situation. 13, has the money been paid over yet? And what was the figure? I thought plans were approved back in October time from reading the papers??

To be honest i think everyone needs to take a step back when complaining about the sale of the ground. DCB had the right idea in selling it but the market disappeared. it is not worth the same money now we all agree but they couldnt sell it without having Bryansford sorted. If the market had not collapsed i would think most would be happy with the millions they would have got. Also it is hardly the Down boards fault for the planning process being slow.

I also wonder how many on the county board know the history of the park or the deeds.. reason i say this is because Annsley owned the pitch, he gave it to the Parish on the condition it was to be used for the furtherment of sport within the newcastle area....Somewhere along the line the Church sold it to t he GAA this was fine as it was still being used for sport now the GAA wantto sell it to a retailer that breaks the agreement writin in the deeds therefore the Annsley estate if they wished could come in and take the land back......see everyday is a school day

I dont believe this is the case. Statements like that will cause uproar around the county for no reason. There are systems in the Planning service which allow old conditions to be relaxed or re-drawn. I know this because my sister got planning for a house on a old piece of scrubland which was not to be used for anything other than allotment or something. The architect did something to get around this or used some old case arguement.

So to be honest eartotheground i think your a bit of the mark with that statement. I dont think the county board would have went down this route without taking advice from the relevent experts!!! Plus i am sure there are some people in the county board who have knowledge or waken advice from others who went down this route.
to make myself clear on this point i'm not having a dig at the county board but its a fact that not many people know and no matter about planning it still does not take away from the fact that the annsley estate will have the final say on St Patricks park

Do they still even exist? I think this sort of problem is sorted out in courts these day. Sooner they sell the place and free up a few quid for adaquate training facilities in the county the better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 17, 2009, 10:56:03 AM
Quote from: washed_up on December 17, 2009, 10:24:59 AM
Many thanks to Dairmuid Cahill for the excellent work he has done over recent years.His production of the Down yearbooks is second to none.I'm sure countless hours and numerous communications with the various clubs and bodies to collect the relevant material were accumulated.Good luck to him in his new post as Ulster Council delegate,and once again thank you!!

Totally agree,this man clocks in a serious amount of hours,voluntarily for a range of county activities.I have always found him genuine,reliable,and knowledgeable,especially on IT etc.The 2010 yearbook has even surpassed his previous prize winning productions.Well done,Diarmuid!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 17, 2009, 11:18:41 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on December 17, 2009, 01:21:30 AM
Who owns Pairc Esler

Its in a trust for the 'gaels of newry'. Two of those trustee's are appointed by Down Co Board, the other is either from Newry Shamrocks or maybe the diocese, i can't remember which.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 17, 2009, 11:26:57 AM
Johnnycool,you must be delighted with Gerard Monans appointment.I have always thought Galgets near miss in 2005 was an indication of the potential of Down Hurling.Last year's Ulster final performance v Antrim indicated that we have some great talent at this level.If we can harness the Ards talent and find a few more Finty Conways from this side of the water,surely we're capable of CR and USHC success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on December 17, 2009, 11:35:21 AM
Quotethe other is either from Newry Shamrocks

That would explain a lot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 17, 2009, 01:03:11 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 17, 2009, 11:18:41 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on December 17, 2009, 01:21:30 AM
Who owns Pairc Esler

Its in a trust for the 'gaels of newry'. Two of those trustee's are appointed by Down Co Board, the other is either from Newry Shamrocks or maybe the diocese, i can't remember which.

I think you might be confusing the trustees with the pitch management. As far as I know the Trsuatees include GAA people appointed by Croke Park as well as Ulster Council. There may be a Shamrocks person appointed from within the county, I am not sure, but it would make sense to have one as they are the caretakers of the ground and do a good job of it too (apart from the awful toilets - but then this comes down to pitch management).
The legal ownership is therefore the GAA itself, the same as most county grounds, many of which have caretaker situations the same as in Newry - Omagh and Navan are two cases that come to mind.

The old ownership arguments about Park Esler will continue to be churned out by selfish but uninformed interests within Shamrocks on the one hand  and on the other  those ant-Marshes elements in the county who don't want to notice the transformation in  the ground (brought about largely by Club Down) and can't leave old animosisites behond them.
We have a great county ground in constant use for county activity from what I can see.
Stop stirring.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 17, 2009, 01:32:39 PM
Quote from: Leo on December 17, 2009, 01:03:11 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 17, 2009, 11:18:41 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on December 17, 2009, 01:21:30 AM
Who owns Pairc Esler

Its in a trust for the 'gaels of newry'. Two of those trustee's are appointed by Down Co Board, the other is either from Newry Shamrocks or maybe the diocese, i can't remember which.

I think you might be confusing the trustees with the pitch management. As far as I know the Trsuatees include GAA people appointed by Croke Park as well as Ulster Council. There may be a Shamrocks person appointed from within the county, I am not sure, but it would make sense to have one as they are the caretakers of the ground and do a good job of it too (apart from the awful toilets - but then this comes down to pitch management).
The legal ownership is therefore the GAA itself, the same as most county grounds, many of which have caretaker situations the same as in Newry - Omagh and Navan are two cases that come to mind.

The old ownership arguments about Park Esler will continue to be churned out by selfish but uninformed interests within Shamrocks on the one hand  and on the other  those ant-Marshes elements in the county who don't want to notice the transformation in  the ground (brought about largely by Club Down) and can't leave old animosisites behond them.
We have a great county ground in constant use for county activity from what I can see.
Stop stirring.

The guy who told me is neither from the Shamrocks or an anti Park Esler, in fact quite the opposite, he was explaining why there should be no concerns over the ownership as Down county board appoint two of the three trustee's so more or less had 'de facto' ownership of the ground.

Not stirring but if what others on the DB are saying about St Patricks park in Newcastle it's ultimately who holds the deeds are the owners.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 17, 2009, 01:37:53 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 17, 2009, 10:56:03 AM
Quote from: washed_up on December 17, 2009, 10:24:59 AM
Many thanks to Dairmuid Cahill for the excellent work he has done over recent years.His production of the Down yearbooks is second to none.I'm sure countless hours and numerous communications with the various clubs and bodies to collect the relevant material were accumulated.Good luck to him in his new post as Ulster Council delegate,and once again thank you!!

Totally agree,this man clocks in a serious amount of hours,voluntarily for a range of county activities.I have always found him genuine,reliable,and knowledgeable,especially on IT etc.The 2010 yearbook has even surpassed his previous prize winning productions.Well done,Diarmuid!
Well said S !                  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 17, 2009, 03:32:50 PM
The proposal of amalgamated Division 3 and 4 clubs entering the Down SFC seemed to get good backing at Convention.

Its a terrible idea in my eyes but one which could come about in the not too distant future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 17, 2009, 03:57:28 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 17, 2009, 03:32:50 PM
The proposal of amalgamated Division 3 and 4 clubs entering the Down SFC seemed to get good backing at Convention.

Its a terrible idea in my eyes but one which could come about in the not too distant future.

I think the logic behind it is that almost half our clubs rarely provide county players at any level.With the notable exception of the likes of Dundrum with Paul McC,half the GAA playing population is untapped.There are quality athletes and footballers in all clubs,but their lack of exposure to top class football,may be one reason why very few step up to county standard.Such a system appears to work well in Kerry,where they always seem to unearth players from junior clubs.It would have to be carefully structured to ensure fairness-especially to clubs who are capable of fielding on their own at senior level.Imagine,for example, if Kilcoo with a population of a few hundred were to be beaten in the 1st round by an amalgamation of Bredagh/Carryduff/St.Pauls with a population of 100,000.Wouldn't be easy to get a fair system,but at least this debate gets people thinking about ways of improving our county player pool.The other potential  positive for junior clubs is that it would lessen the chances of senior clubs allegedly poaching talented Junior club players,with the carrot of senior football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on December 17, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
I have supported this idea even from when it was suggested a few years ago and welcome the debate as long as it gives the fellas who may never play senior c'ship football the chance to so do.Also if it generates further interest for the clubs themselves-i.e many clubs lose players from the ages of 17-20 and never see them again then this could be a welcome development and as far as i know amongst the rest of the counties in Ulster could be a groundbreaking move.If then this has a knock-on effect of unearthing some players that could be devloped into county footballers then it can only do good--oh and one more thing look out Kilcoo and the rest- WE ARE COMING TO GET YOU!!   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 17, 2009, 04:28:13 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 17, 2009, 10:56:03 AM
Quote from: washed_up on December 17, 2009, 10:24:59 AM
Many thanks to Dairmuid Cahill for the excellent work he has done over recent years.His production of the Down yearbooks is second to none.I'm sure countless hours and numerous communications with the various clubs and bodies to collect the relevant material were accumulated.Good luck to him in his new post as Ulster Council delegate,and once again thank you!!

Totally agree,this man clocks in a serious amount of hours,voluntarily for a range of county activities.I have always found him genuine,reliable,and knowledgeable,especially on IT etc.The 2010 yearbook has even surpassed his previous prize winning productions.Well done,Diarmuid!

Agree with above quotes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 17, 2009, 06:04:30 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 17, 2009, 03:57:28 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 17, 2009, 03:32:50 PM
The proposal of amalgamated Division 3 and 4 clubs entering the Down SFC seemed to get good backing at Convention.

Its a terrible idea in my eyes but one which could come about in the not too distant future.

I think the logic behind it is that almost half our clubs rarely provide county players at any level.With the notable exception of the likes of Dundrum with Paul McC,half the GAA playing population is untapped.There are quality athletes and footballers in all clubs,but their lack of exposure to top class football,may be one reason why very few step up to county standard.Such a system appears to work well in Kerry,where they always seem to unearth players from junior clubs.It would have to be carefully structured to ensure fairness-especially to clubs who are capable of fielding on their own at senior level.Imagine,for example, if Kilcoo with a population of a few hundred were to be beaten in the 1st round by an amalgamation of Bredagh/Carryduff/St.Pauls with a population of 100,000.Wouldn't be easy to get a fair system,but at least this debate gets people thinking about ways of improving our county player pool.The other potential  positive for junior clubs is that it would lessen the chances of senior clubs allegedly poaching talented Junior club players,with the carrot of senior football.

In my opinion some people have a very distorted view of Division's 3 and 4. Last year was the worst standard I have seen in Division 3 in a decade whilst Division 4 is little more than a pub league.

There are four players on James McCartan's McKenna Cup panel from Divisions 3 and 4. Declan Alder is in as a keeper while Kevy Anderson, Mick Magee and Paul McComiskey are three of the outfield selections. Without a shadow of a doubt the latter three are the best three players in the bottom two Divisions. One thing they have in common is that they all have county pedigree. All three of them have played County Minor and U-21 while two of them have participated at 3rd level.

Now you tell me, how one possibly two games with a team of gather ups in the Down SFC is going to unearth county standard players from the bottom two Divisions? Answer - it's not! A couple of games a year doesn't condition a player for SFC standard football. Playing in the top tier over a number of years might.

Also, say for instance Dundrum and St Johns put in a joint team for the SFC. Not only would both these teams be training for their own Championships at the same time but the hard cold fact is that a Dundrum man wouldn't piss on a St Johns man if he was on fire and vice versa. This would be the same all over the county if neighbouring clubs joined up.

Again, there are more problems associated with such a venture. Where should the team train? Who would take the team? What jerseys should the teams wear? + the various different arguments that would arise in regard to the selection of teams etc. Most clubs in the bottom two Divisions don't have their house in order regarding structures and the like and the last thing they need to be concentrating on is some sham of a representational team. They should be focussing on improving themselves. Ultimately, what would winning a game in the Down SFC with an amalgamated team mean to the players involved? In my view - f**k all! Any player worth his salt should be giving his all to his club then his county.

If a player in the lower tiers is good enough for county football he will be recognised. There is no doubt about that. Bar Peter Withnell, players just don't spring up overnight. There is not some conspiracy out there by the county selectors to overlook players in the bottom two Divisions. The players mentioned earlier who have been picked for the 2010 county team stick out like a sore thumb in Division 3. They are head and shoulders above the standard and this is obvious in most of the games they play in over the year.

There is a far bigger gap between Division 1 and Division 3 than people think. It is basically light and day. I believe that an amalgamated team would struggle against most opposition in the SFC.

Again, going ahead with this venture won't stop the bigger clubs attempting to poach players from the lower echelons. The likes of Loughinisland, who have had a flagrant disregard for the transfer rules in our county for the past thirty years, will continue to poach players. It's in their fabric and your suggestion that this will cease has no merit.

Kerry and Cavan practice the Championship format you suggest. Thats only two counties out of 32. The reason the other 30 don't use it is because it isnt a good format. Your yearning for change seems to be based on the fact that you want to see more Junior players on the county team. Why do Junior club players have to be on county teams? What right over Division 1 and 2 players do they have to be represented on a county team? You seem to make a special case for them.

As I said before. If you are good enough, you are good enough. The players that have been picked for the Down team this year are there because they are the best players in the lower ranks. They star week in week out. When a player performs to this standard on a weekly basis he will make a county team. Not when he maybe scores 2-05 in a one off SFC game for a team of gather ups.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on December 17, 2009, 09:03:31 PM
Thanks Leo for explanation re. Pairc Esler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on December 17, 2009, 10:27:21 PM
I think the amalgamation for the championship is a great idea.  Look at Kerry which has the divisional teams entering the senior championship, it hasn't done them any harm.  It is easier to see someone who is a good player in division 3 play at a better level than they are used to and if they can have a good game against Mayobridge or whoever it is a good indicator they could cut it with down.  It gives the down management a better look at a player than they would get from a couple of challenge games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 17, 2009, 11:15:46 PM
DF term "gather ups" pretty much sums up to me the crux of why I see this idea to be a waste of time. How can a team made up of lads from a few different teams expect to get even close to a senior team? A team who will be training together week in week out, working on systems of play and playing upwards of 25 games together a season. Take this in contrast to a team with no continuity, no identity, who are used to playing in games at a much lower intensity.

This idea of "hidden" or even "rough gems" in the lower divisions is a fictional idea. Again as DF said if your at county standard playing in the lower divisions, you will stand out like a porn star at a knitting club.

In addition when do you propose the time to run off such a championship? As it is our season is running well into Mid November.

It may be a novel idea for junior players to play senior championship but I see no sustainability in the proposal. Perhaps if it goes through I may be proved wrong, however, I would be very doubtful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 18, 2009, 12:04:02 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 17, 2009, 11:15:46 PM
DF term "gather ups" pretty much sums up to me the crux of why I see this idea to be a waste of time. How can a team made up of lads from a few different teams expect to get even close to a senior team? A team who will be training together week in week out, working on systems of play and playing upwards of 25 games together a season. Take this in contrast to a team with no continuity, no identity, who are used to playing in games at a much lower intensity.

This idea of "hidden" or even "rough gems" in the lower divisions is a fictional idea. Again as DF said if your at county standard playing in the lower divisions, you will stand out like a porn star at a knitting club.

In addition when do you propose the time to run off such a championship? As it is our season is running well into Mid November.

It may be a novel idea for junior players to play senior championship but I see no sustainability in the proposal. Perhaps if it goes through I may be proved wrong, however, I would be very doubtful.

     Well you could find yourself in the not too distant future playing alongside your neighbours in Ballykinlar if the underage teams is anything to go by but I doubt if it'll be in the Senior Championship.Never say never!--the world has changed-there are fewer children per couple-no end in sight for the recession,the dwindling numbers of volunteers to Coach underage and the threat of emigration. Sad but becoming very true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 18, 2009, 12:18:47 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on December 18, 2009, 12:04:02 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 17, 2009, 11:15:46 PM
DF term "gather ups" pretty much sums up to me the crux of why I see this idea to be a waste of time. How can a team made up of lads from a few different teams expect to get even close to a senior team? A team who will be training together week in week out, working on systems of play and playing upwards of 25 games together a season. Take this in contrast to a team with no continuity, no identity, who are used to playing in games at a much lower intensity.

This idea of "hidden" or even "rough gems" in the lower divisions is a fictional idea. Again as DF said if your at county standard playing in the lower divisions, you will stand out like a porn star at a knitting club.

In addition when do you propose the time to run off such a championship? As it is our season is running well into Mid November.

It may be a novel idea for junior players to play senior championship but I see no sustainability in the proposal. Perhaps if it goes through I may be proved wrong, however, I would be very doubtful.

     Well you could find yourself in the not too distant future playing alongside your neighbours in Ballykinlar if the underage teams is anything to go by but I doubt if it'll be in the Senior Championship.Never say never!--the world has changed-there are fewer children per couple-no end in sight for the recession,the dwindling numbers of volunteers to Coach underage and the threat of emigration. Sad but becoming very true.

Sorry Ross you have me confused here. What does your point have to do with the merits of amalgmated division 3 and 4 teams playing in the Senior championship?

From our own clubs point of view, your a good bit off the mark.

Jaysus man its christmas, lets have the glass half full (for the next week or so anyway).  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on December 18, 2009, 12:50:40 AM
personally i think it would be a great idea.giving guys a chance to play senior football who might otherwise never get such an opportunity.if it didn't work out it could be dropped,no harm done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 18, 2009, 09:10:10 AM
Quote from: east down gael on December 18, 2009, 12:50:40 AM
personally i think it would be a great idea.giving guys a chance to play senior football who might otherwise never get such an opportunity.if it didn't work out it could be dropped,no harm done.

Yes,an idea worth trying ,but the logistics would have to be worked out-the main difficulty being that if such a district team were to be successful against well-organised stand alone clubs,those clubs are bound to be annoyed.DF makes good points,and to back up his concerns,there is already a precedent set whereby in Hurling the Down "junior" team has played in the Down SHC every year.Judging by the scores conceded,there appears to be a "gather-up" approach,resulting in a meaningless fixture,as opposed to well-organised competitive district teams,as appears to happen in the Kerry and Cork football championships.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on December 18, 2009, 09:57:03 AM
THere used to be a Barony League in Down yeatrs ago. It was played at the start of the season and was used as a trial for the County. 4 teams were picked from clubs in Mourne, Iveagh, Lecale and somewhere else and they played each other.

It's worth trying again as long as playing in the SFC doesn't prevent a lad playing JFC for his club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on December 18, 2009, 10:43:55 AM
Think this idea of having Intermediate and Junior teams amalgamate to play in the senior championship is a feed of sh*te! My own club 'played' (i use that term loosely) in the Senior championship last year for the first time, if this rule had of been in place we could have came up against a Ballymartin/Glassdrumman amalgamated side both of which beat us last year in league games, farsical. People say it gives players the chance to play in the Senior championship, thats like saying we might as well give everyone the chance to represent their county. Teams and players should concentrate on their own grade and winning their own championship rather than phoning up their neighbours for a kick about in the senior championship. To be honest I wouldn't want to play in it as an amalgamated side as the right to play in the senior championship should be earned, why take away the incentive for teams to better themselves by giving them this option
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on December 18, 2009, 10:57:59 AM
Amalgamations work in the Kerry Championship but WTF would they know about football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 18, 2009, 12:06:41 PM
Quote from: Bacon on December 18, 2009, 10:57:59 AM
Amalgamations work in the Kerry Championship but WTF would they know about football?

Don't Kerry have a club championship running alongside their county championship?

If I'm correct, the amalgamations play in the county championship and if one wins it (which happens quite regularily) then its the club champions who go on to represent Kerry in the Munster club. If a club wins the county championship then they go onto represent Kerry irrespective if another club wins the club championship.

Clear as mud, but why wouldn't it work in Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 18, 2009, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 18, 2009, 12:06:41 PM
Quote from: Bacon on December 18, 2009, 10:57:59 AM
Amalgamations work in the Kerry Championship but WTF would they know about football?

Don't Kerry have a club championship running alongside their county championship?

If I'm correct, the amalgamations play in the county championship and if one wins it (which happens quite regularily) then its the club champions who go on to represent Kerry in the Munster club. If a club wins the county championship then they go onto represent Kerry irrespective if another club wins the club championship.

Clear as mud, but why wouldn't it work in Down?

So how are the club champions to represent Kerry in Munster decided if it is an amalgamated team that wins it? How are the amalgamated teams decided in Kerry? I find the Kerry Championship system to resemble the AFL play offs in terms of confusion.
As far as I am aware, however, I may be wrong, is that the Down proposal is aimed at amalgamating two division 3 and a division 4 team (why no involvement of division 2 teams, I ain't so sure.) Can anyone clarify that point?
If it is such a good system how come only two out of the thirty two counties in Ireland have bought into it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 18, 2009, 01:19:34 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 18, 2009, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 18, 2009, 12:06:41 PM
Quote from: Bacon on December 18, 2009, 10:57:59 AM
Amalgamations work in the Kerry Championship but WTF would they know about football?

Don't Kerry have a club championship running alongside their county championship?

If I'm correct, the amalgamations play in the county championship and if one wins it (which happens quite regularily) then its the club champions who go on to represent Kerry in the Munster club. If a club wins the county championship then they go onto represent Kerry irrespective if another club wins the club championship.

Clear as mud, but why wouldn't it work in Down?

So how are the club champions to represent Kerry in Munster decided if it is an amalgamated team that wins it? How are the amalgamated teams decided in Kerry? I find the Kerry Championship system to resemble the AFL play offs in terms of confusion.
As far as I am aware, however, I may be wrong, is that the Down proposal is aimed at amalgamating two division 3 and a division 4 team (why no involvement of division 2 teams, I ain't so sure.) Can anyone clarify that point?
If it is such a good system how come only two out of the thirty two counties in Ireland have bought into it?

Just re read your post JC. Two championships, if club team wins championship A (which club and amalgmated teams compete in) then they represent Kerr in Munster. However if it is an amalgamated teams that wins that then the winner of championship B (clubs only) that represents Kerry? Would that reading of it be correct?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 18, 2009, 01:41:36 PM
I think that's correct. I'd say it works in Kerry because it's a long tradition and young lads from Junior clubs grow up wanting to play for East Kerry etc.  In i quess Down lads from Saul, Kilclief, Ardglass or Bright won't really want to play together as Lecale. Can you imagine the rows over selection?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on December 18, 2009, 02:05:00 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 18, 2009, 01:19:34 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 18, 2009, 01:12:29 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 18, 2009, 12:06:41 PM
Quote from: Bacon on December 18, 2009, 10:57:59 AM
Amalgamations work in the Kerry Championship but WTF would they know about football?

Don't Kerry have a club championship running alongside their county championship?

If I'm correct, the amalgamations play in the county championship and if one wins it (which happens quite regularily) then its the club champions who go on to represent Kerry in the Munster club. If a club wins the county championship then they go onto represent Kerry irrespective if another club wins the club championship.

Clear as mud, but why wouldn't it work in Down?

So how are the club champions to represent Kerry in Munster decided if it is an amalgamated team that wins it? How are the amalgamated teams decided in Kerry? I find the Kerry Championship system to resemble the AFL play offs in terms of confusion.
As far as I am aware, however, I may be wrong, is that the Down proposal is aimed at amalgamating two division 3 and a division 4 team (why no involvement of division 2 teams, I ain't so sure.) Can anyone clarify that point?
If it is such a good system how come only two out of the thirty two counties in Ireland have bought into it?

Just re read your post JC. Two championships, if club team wins championship A (which club and amalgmated teams compete in) then they represent Kerr in Munster. However if it is an amalgamated teams that wins that then the winner of championship B (clubs only) that represents Kerry? Would that reading of it be correct?

As far as I was aware there is only one senior championship in Kerry, if an amalgamated team wins it the county board pick their Munster representatives and on some occasions their representatives have been picked before the semi finals like this season when South Kerry won the championship who beat a club side in Dr Crokes in the final but it was Austin Stacks who played in Munster even though they were beat in the semi final.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on December 18, 2009, 06:15:24 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on December 18, 2009, 01:41:36 PM
I think that's correct. I'd say it works in Kerry because it's a long tradition and young lads from Junior clubs grow up wanting to play for East Kerry etc.  In i quess Down lads from Saul, Kilclief, Ardglass or Bright won't really want to play together as Lecale. Can you imagine the rows over selection?

Ach come on.  Sure there is no-one from those other clubs that would get playing in front of any of our lads, do you not want them to get a chance at playing senior football at all?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on December 18, 2009, 08:14:07 PM
DF great post! One of the best on this board in a long time.

Amalgamating in order to highlight all these so called div3 + 4 stars is a complete misnomer

Or as they say, a load of sh1te

Total fiction
Title: Re: (No subject)
Post by: johnneycool on December 18, 2009, 08:57:56 PM
That would be the crux of it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on December 18, 2009, 09:07:07 PM
I would not dismiss this idea of amalgamating teams in division 3 and 4 out of hand. I can forsee a lot of problems in actually implementing the plan, but if in my view if the the clubs in divsion 3 & 4 want to do it, that's their business.

Many of the posts suggest that if there were players in these two divsions capable of playing at senior level, they would already stick out. To an extent that is true, but that does not account for a lot of lads who were at one stage of their early career well capable of playing at senior level, but who eventually drifted away because they were not quite good enough for the county, but could have played Senior football. I played against a lot of fellas like that at under age level who played adult football for a couple of years and give up when only six or seven were turning up for their training. Given a chance, that may offer them an outlet. I think they would struggle for a few years, but that would be expected.

I don't think neighbouring clubs hate each other so much that they could not form a team. I have absolutely no doubt that Drumaness and Teconnaught would put behind any lingering animosity they have for each other to get one over us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on December 18, 2009, 10:20:13 PM
i agree with blue island,players from neighbouring clubs wouldn't/shouldn't let parish rivalry prevent them from performing at a level they otherwise won't achieve.also bear in mind alot of these lads would have played on school teams with guys from the neighbouring club.
   using the down juniors in the hurling is also not a great example.hurling has a different skill set and would be far harder to prepare for in comparison to football.
     if it did get the thumbs up how would it work?it couldn't just be a couple of neighbouring clubs joining together.i imagine it would be a team of junior/intermediate players from east down and likewise south down.getting on such a team would be quite an honour i'd imagine.
   the point of such an experiment would not necessarily be to unearth future county players but to give talented players the opportunity to play senior football.it may also stop lads from leaving junior clubs and moving to senior to play at a higher level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 19, 2009, 11:22:37 AM
is the u 21 squad been named?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on December 19, 2009, 11:37:42 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 19, 2009, 11:22:37 AM
is the u 21 squad been named?
Wouldn't think so as there is a trial tomorrow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 19, 2009, 11:42:17 AM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on December 19, 2009, 11:37:42 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 19, 2009, 11:22:37 AM
is the u 21 squad been named?
Wouldn't think so as there is a trial tomorrow

are you sure Gorm? we have a game tomorrow in the u20s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on December 19, 2009, 02:43:33 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 17, 2009, 06:04:30 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 17, 2009, 03:57:28 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 17, 2009, 03:32:50 PM
The proposal of amalgamated Division 3 and 4 clubs entering the Down SFC seemed to get good backing at Convention.

Its a terrible idea in my eyes but one which could come about in the not too distant future.

I think the logic behind it is that almost half our clubs rarely provide county players at any level.With the notable exception of the likes of Dundrum with Paul McC,half the GAA playing population is untapped.There are quality athletes and footballers in all clubs,but their lack of exposure to top class football,may be one reason why very few step up to county standard.Such a system appears to work well in Kerry,where they always seem to unearth players from junior clubs.It would have to be carefully structured to ensure fairness-especially to clubs who are capable of fielding on their own at senior level.Imagine,for example, if Kilcoo with a population of a few hundred were to be beaten in the 1st round by an amalgamation of Bredagh/Carryduff/St.Pauls with a population of 100,000.Wouldn't be easy to get a fair system,but at least this debate gets people thinking about ways of improving our county player pool.The other potential  positive for junior clubs is that it would lessen the chances of senior clubs allegedly poaching talented Junior club players,with the carrot of senior football.

In my opinion some people have a very distorted view of Division's 3 and 4. Last year was the worst standard I have seen in Division 3 in a decade whilst Division 4 is little more than a pub league.

There are four players on James McCartan's McKenna Cup panel from Divisions 3 and 4. Declan Alder is in as a keeper while Kevy Anderson, Mick Magee and Paul McComiskey are three of the outfield selections. Without a shadow of a doubt the latter three are the best three players in the bottom two Divisions. One thing they have in common is that they all have county pedigree. All three of them have played County Minor and U-21 while two of them have participated at 3rd level.

Now you tell me, how one possibly two games with a team of gather ups in the Down SFC is going to unearth county standard players from the bottom two Divisions? Answer - it's not! A couple of games a year doesn't condition a player for SFC standard football. Playing in the top tier over a number of years might.

Also, say for instance Dundrum and St Johns put in a joint team for the SFC. Not only would both these teams be training for their own Championships at the same time but the hard cold fact is that a Dundrum man wouldn't piss on a St Johns man if he was on fire and vice versa. This would be the same all over the county if neighbouring clubs joined up.

Again, there are more problems associated with such a venture. Where should the team train? Who would take the team? What jerseys should the teams wear? + the various different arguments that would arise in regard to the selection of teams etc. Most clubs in the bottom two Divisions don't have their house in order regarding structures and the like and the last thing they need to be concentrating on is some sham of a representational team. They should be focussing on improving themselves. Ultimately, what would winning a game in the Down SFC with an amalgamated team mean to the players involved? In my view - f**k all! Any player worth his salt should be giving his all to his club then his county.

If a player in the lower tiers is good enough for county football he will be recognised. There is no doubt about that. Bar Peter Withnell, players just don't spring up overnight. There is not some conspiracy out there by the county selectors to overlook players in the bottom two Divisions. The players mentioned earlier who have been picked for the 2010 county team stick out like a sore thumb in Division 3. They are head and shoulders above the standard and this is obvious in most of the games they play in over the year.

There is a far bigger gap between Division 1 and Division 3 than people think. It is basically light and day. I believe that an amalgamated team would struggle against most opposition in the SFC.

Again, going ahead with this venture won't stop the bigger clubs attempting to poach players from the lower echelons. The likes of Loughinisland, who have had a flagrant disregard for the transfer rules in our county for the past thirty years, will continue to poach players. It's in their fabric and your suggestion that this will cease has no merit.

Kerry and Cavan practice the Championship format you suggest. Thats only two counties out of 32. The reason the other 30 don't use it is because it isnt a good format. Your yearning for change seems to be based on the fact that you want to see more Junior players on the county team. Why do Junior club players have to be on county teams? What right over Division 1 and 2 players do they have to be represented on a county team? You seem to make a special case for them.

As I said before. If you are good enough, you are good enough. The players that have been picked for the Down team this year are there because they are the best players in the lower ranks. They star week in week out. When a player performs to this standard on a weekly basis he will make a county team. Not when he maybe scores 2-05 in a one off SFC game for a team of gather ups.

you can forget st johns df, youse would be amalgamated with the mighty ballykinler, like underage level, would it not make more sense for youse to do this anyway?, too small of a parish for two clubs. it seems to be quite a success at minor level.
Title: Re: (No subject)
Post by: johnneycool on December 19, 2009, 09:05:32 PM
Cork use regional teams in the hurling championship for certain and they also use round robin structures so that means talented junior hurlers are getting a good few games against senior clubs and yet again its not uncommon for lads from junior clubs to star at inter-county level. Joe deane springs to mind
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Boat Race In The Crowd on December 20, 2009, 10:00:28 AM
U20 match Bredagh v Castlewellan is off due to weather
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Post by: Maiden1 on December 20, 2009, 12:11:08 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 19, 2009, 09:05:32 PM
Cork use regional teams in the hurling championship for certain and they also use round robin structures so that means talented junior hurlers are getting a good few games against senior clubs and yet again its not uncommon for lads from junior clubs to star at inter-county level. Joe deane springs to mind

Plenty of standout junior players from Kerry as well.  Bomber Liston probably the most famous example.  I don't think the rivalry is as intense as is being reported here.  Sure if it was that intense then the Mayobridge and Burren players wouldn't be able to play together on the down team.  It would be a great honour for most players to play on an East Down team or a NE Down team or Lecale team even if they never played for the county.  It would only work if it was taken seriously and properly coached, not each team sends 3 or 4 players who meet up 2 days before the first round of the championship when the manager asks the players name and what position they play (like in most county trials).

Also maybe a county forward might stand out to a degree in division 3 in some games but not always (I've seen Paul McComiskey hardly get a kick in a game), a corner back playing for an unfancied team who never gives the player they are marking a touch of the ball I'm not sure they would ever get spotted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 20, 2009, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: 13aside on December 17, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
I have supported this idea even from when it was suggested a few years ago and welcome the debate as long as it gives the fellas who may never play senior c'ship football the chance to so do.Also if it generates further interest for the clubs themselves-i.e many clubs lose players from the ages of 17-20 and never see them again then this could be a welcome development and as far as i know amongst the rest of the counties in Ulster could be a groundbreaking move.If then this has a knock-on effect of unearthing some players that could be devloped into county footballers then it can only do good--oh and one more thing look out Kilcoo and the rest- WE ARE COMING TO GET YOU!!

No harm to you mate, but Kilcoo's winning of the championship this year is the result of about 2 decades of work.

That is, 20 years of training, improving techniques, reading of the game, understanding your team-mates. The mentors learning more about tactics, coaching techniques, both physical and technical, and that is right from U-8 to senior. A learning process of about 20 years.

Championships are won in the period of February through to Sept... Not in the period starting 3 weeks before the opening round to the final.


You are only deluding yourself if you think a gather up of fellas at senior level that have never known what levels of committment it takes to win at any level, have never played alongside half their team-mates, and have only a few training sessions together with management that, no harm to them, are probably not at the races compared to most of the Div 1 coaches... are going to trouble the top clubs in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 20, 2009, 12:24:19 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on December 18, 2009, 08:14:07 PM
DF great post! One of the best on this board in a long time.

Amalgamating in order to highlight all these so called div3 + 4 stars is a complete misnomer

Or as they say, a load of sh1te

Total fiction


A load of shite indeed.


A good player is produced from years of coaching - its far too late to try to turn them into something at senior level. Now, if the clubs mentioned looked at regular large joint training sessions for the underage teams where the county development officers were present and helping, that may make a bigger and better impact.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on December 20, 2009, 01:29:09 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on December 20, 2009, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: 13aside on December 17, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
I have supported this idea even from when it was suggested a few years ago and welcome the debate as long as it gives the fellas who may never play senior c'ship football the chance to so do.Also if it generates further interest for the clubs themselves-i.e many clubs lose players from the ages of 17-20 and never see them again then this could be a welcome development and as far as i know amongst the rest of the counties in Ulster could be a groundbreaking move.If then this has a knock-on effect of unearthing some players that could be devloped into county footballers then it can only do good--oh and one more thing look out Kilcoo and the rest- WE ARE COMING TO GET YOU!!

No harm to you mate, but Kilcoo's winning of the championship this year is the result of about 2 decades of work.

That is, 20 years of training, improving techniques, reading of the game, understanding your team-mates. The mentors learning more about tactics, coaching techniques, both physical and technical, and that is right from U-8 to senior. A learning process of about 20 years.

Championships are won in the period of February through to Sept... Not in the period starting 3 weeks before the opening round to the final.


You are only deluding yourself if you think a gather up of fellas at senior level that have never known what levels of committment it takes to win at any level, have never played alongside half their team-mates, and have only a few training sessions together with management that, no harm to them, are probably not at the races compared to most of the Div 1 coaches... are going to trouble the top clubs in the county.

The divisional teams regurally win the Kerry Senior championship so this proves that a group of players from different junior teams can join up and beat the senior teams.  I would say the senior teams in the Kerry championship on the whole would be better than in down as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 20, 2009, 02:10:58 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on December 20, 2009, 01:29:09 PM
The divisional teams regurally win the Kerry Senior championship so this proves that a group of players from different junior teams can join up and beat the senior teams.  I would say the senior teams in the Kerry championship on the whole would be better than in down as well.

Do you think they only start training regularly and properly when they reach the age of 19?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on December 21, 2009, 03:16:55 AM
Radio no one would disagree with you that its to late to start training at 19, but thats not the point many small clubs train hard but at underage just dont have enough good players to be competitive, but that does not mean that some off the players from these weaker clubs could not play at a higher level. Some do still make it to county teams but its harder, and may lead to some of these players lossing interest which is a loss to Down. I think that this idear has some merit but agree that they would have to train regularly together.

I also think that the county has to do more to support the north down clubs, at underage they have some good players but rarely seem to be picked for Down under age teams, we have to try and encourage GAA in these areas.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fender on December 21, 2009, 08:11:39 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on December 20, 2009, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: 13aside on December 17, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
I have supported this idea even from when it was suggested a few years ago and welcome the debate as long as it gives the fellas who may never play senior c'ship football the chance to so do.Also if it generates further interest for the clubs themselves-i.e many clubs lose players from the ages of 17-20 and never see them again then this could be a welcome development and as far as i know amongst the rest of the counties in Ulster could be a groundbreaking move.If then this has a knock-on effect of unearthing some players that could be devloped into county footballers then it can only do good--oh and one more thing look out Kilcoo and the rest- WE ARE COMING TO GET YOU!!

No harm to you mate, but Kilcoo's winning of the championship this year is the result of about 2 decades of work.

That is, 20 years of training, improving techniques, reading of the game, understanding your team-mates. The mentors learning more about tactics, coaching techniques, both physical and technical, and that is right from U-8 to senior. A learning process of about 20 years.

Championships are won in the period of February through to Sept... Not in the period starting 3 weeks before the opening round to the final.


You are only deluding yourself if you think a gather up of fellas at senior level that have never known what levels of committment it takes to win at any level, have never played alongside half their team-mates, and have only a few training sessions together with management that, no harm to them, are probably not at the races compared to most of the Div 1 coaches... are going to trouble the top clubs in the county.

Radio, no harm to ya, but you are talking a load of brown!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 27, 2009, 02:19:26 AM
Yea
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on December 31, 2009, 05:15:10 PM
Dr McKenna Cup 2010
Down squad from website

1. Declan Alder (Carryduff)
2. Liam Lennon (Castlewellan)
3. Declan Rooney (Burren)
4. Damien Rafferty (Newry Shamrocks)
5. Aidan Brannigan (Kilcoo)
6. Kevin McKernan (Burren)
7. Conor Garvey (Mayobridge)
8. Ambrose Rodgers (Longstone)
9. Peter Fitzpatrick (Ballymartin)
10. Martin Clarke (An Riocht)
11. Mark Poland (Longstone)
12. Brendan McArdle (Annaclone)
13. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
14. James McGovern (Burren)
15. Brendan Coulter (Mayobridge)
16. Brendan McVeigh (An Riocht)
17. Martin Cole (Rostrevor)
18. Paul Murphy (Ballyholland)
19. Sean Parr (Rostrevor)
20. Paul Greenan (Kilcoo)
21. Kevin Anderson (Aghaderg)
22. Conor Laverty (Kilcoo)
23. Daniel Hughes (Saval)
24. Aidan Carr (Clonduff)
25. James Colgan (An Riocht)
26. Darren Cunningham (Saval)
27. Stephen Toner (Bryansford)
28. Mark Doran (Longstone)
29. John Clarke (An Riocht)
30. Stephen Kearney (Saval)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 31, 2009, 06:05:57 PM
If this squad is correct, we have to assume that big Dan is either injured or wants a break, and that Liam Doyle is depressingly still not fit. Hanna, McGinn and Murney must be in the Sigerson squads for their colleges. Dan McCartan does not seem to have made the cut, along with Ciaran McGovern and Michael Magee. The two Ronans may or may not be back for the league. It is hard to say if the squad numbers mean anything, but, if so, and in the absence of obviousl alternatives, it looks as though Declan Rooney willl get another run at full back. There is not much to get excited about, apart from the return of Marty Clarke, but the McKenna Cup is specifically designed for experimentation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on January 01, 2010, 10:06:03 AM
no kevin duffin?? anyone know if he is injured.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 01, 2010, 09:38:16 PM
Duffin was in the extended McKenna squad of 44, but did not make the final 30. With the Sigerson players to return, together with some from the injured list as well, includng big Dan, Liam Doyle and Luke Howard, the likes of Duffin, Dan McCartan and Michael Magee will need to make a huge impact at club level if they are to play any county football this year. The two Ronans, Murtagh and Sexton, might be recalled at some stage, but James could also have concluded that their best days have gone.

Ambrose and Fitzpatrick look the likely midfield pair to start with, and the county website says that Dan will be back shortly. If so, it would be great to see him in a two-man full forward line with Benny for at least a couple of games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 02, 2010, 07:59:26 PM
That looks like a pretty strong panel. Like Mourne Rover, I would also like to see Dan in a two man full forward line with Benny Coulter.
Will many people make the journey to Celtic Park next Sunday to see Downs first game under Wee James?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on January 03, 2010, 11:15:56 AM
Weather permitting i hope the season gets under way on time and Down supporters will give the team and management their full backing- with a good turn-out from fans from day one-GOOD LUCK!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on January 03, 2010, 03:26:01 PM
I heard that there was more county trials held this morning, anyone know this is correct, and if so who was in attendance??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: idontbelieveit on January 03, 2010, 03:49:32 PM
Just read on the Down website that Down where to play Fermanagh today in an riocht at 2.30.
Is this a trial game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on January 03, 2010, 07:16:50 PM
full challenge game played on the lucious turf at an riocht to get used to new rules. both camps used most of their players. down won by a few points in a fairly competitive game. some players not in mckenna cup squad were involved. marty c and mark poland very impressive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 03, 2010, 09:04:04 PM
Useful run out for Down today. Its diffficult to read much into the 0-14 to 0-11 victory as both teams interchanged regulary after the first 25 minutes. in the first half Clarke and Poland where impressive in the half forward line while Benny McArdle looked a useful addition to the defence lining out at full back. Mickey Magee impressed in the second half kicking 0-3 and linked up very well with Conor Laverty inside, whos movement and playmaking skills showed why he is well up for county football. I was very impressed with Kevin Duffin, James Colgan and Sean Parr also. Going to be some competition for places before the panel cut after McKenna cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: haranguerer on January 04, 2010, 11:15:55 AM
Any of the fermanagh lads stand out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 04, 2010, 10:02:07 PM
2010 Managers

Division 1

Mayobridge - Eamon McEnaney
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Clonduff - Paul Lambe
Burren - Frank Dawson
Longstone - Jody Gormley
Castlewellan -
An Riocht - Stephen Poucher
Liatroim -
Rostrevor -


Division 2

Ballyholland -
Annaclone - Tom Potter
Tullylish -
Shamrocks -
Clann na Banna -
Saval -
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Ballymartin -
Attical -
Warrenpoint - Kevin Franklin
Kilclief -
Loughinisland -


Division 3

Drumgath -
Bosco -
Drumaness - Bill Geoghegan
Dundrum - Paul Shields
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty Snr/Donard King/Seamus Braniff
Glasdrumman - Benny Corrigan
Carryduff - Andy Moohan
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Saul - Paul Evans
Glenn -
Ardglass -
Bredagh - Kevin Blaney


Division 4

Mitchels - Harry Cooney/Nigel Allen
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
St Michaels -
Bright -
Ballykinlar - Skin Hanna
Dromara -
Aughlisnafin - Philly McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Aghaderg -
St Pauls -
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 04, 2010, 10:22:01 PM
Bredagh Kevin Blaney DF
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 04, 2010, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 04, 2010, 11:15:55 AM
Any of the fermanagh lads stand out?

Tommy McElroy, Matthew Keenan and Ryan Keenan at right half back caught the eye.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 04, 2010, 10:37:20 PM
QuoteBright - Skin Hanna

DF, that's interesting.  He musta got sick of the foreign game.  Where did ya hear that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 05, 2010, 10:46:59 AM
What competition is this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 05, 2010, 12:48:17 PM
Under 21 Football Panel


The provisional Down Under 21 Football panel has been announced.

1. Connor Doyle (An Riocht)
2. Darren McDowell (Longstone)
3. Ryan McGovern (Burren)
4. James Grant (Loughinisland)
5. Niall Higgins (Annaclone)
6. Pauric O'Rourke (Burren)
7. Daniel Clarke (Saval)
8. Connor Poland (Longstone)
9. Shane Murney (Rostrevor)
10. Ryan Boyle (Warrenpoint)
11. Michael Higgins (Ballymartin)
12. Damien Turley (Downpatrick)
13. Owen Costello (Bredagh)
14. Malachy Magee (Clann Na Banna)
15. Ruari Digney (Saval)
16. Chris Duggan (Bosco)
17. Sean Devlin (Kilcoo)
18. Anton McArdle (Burren)
19. Eamon Toner (Burren)
20. Cormac Hughes (Bredagh)
21. Owen Pyers (Annaclone)
22. Paul Faloon (Saval)
23. Darren O Hagan (Clonduff)
24. Jarlath McCarthy (Saval)
25. Paul Mc Polin (Clonduff)
26. Paddy Gartland (An Riocht)
27. Barry Kane (Kilcoo)
28. Sean Murdock (Burren)
29. Connor O Hare (Ballymartin)
30. Ryan Mallon (Warrenpoint)
31. Jarlath Brannigan (Downpatrick)
32. Chris Killen (An Riocht)
33. Paudie Poland (Burren)
34. Chris Clarke (Bryansford)
35. David McKibben (Bryansford)
36. Ben O'Reilly (Loughinisland)
37. Arthur McConville (Clonduff)
38. Michael Ireland (Longstone)
39. Connaire Harrison (Glassdrumman)
40. John Connolly (Downpatrick)
41. Paul Devlin (Kilcoo)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 05, 2010, 01:00:52 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 04, 2010, 10:37:20 PM
QuoteBright - Skin Hanna

DF, that's interesting.  He musta got sick of the foreign game.  Where did ya hear that?

A well placed source.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: haranguerer on January 05, 2010, 01:40:56 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 04, 2010, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 04, 2010, 11:15:55 AM
Any of the fermanagh lads stand out?

Tommy McElroy, Matthew Keenan and Ryan Keenan at right half back caught the eye.

Cheers!

Ryan Keenan at rhb - you sure? Would generally be a corner fwd, and not even the mobile type who could play anywhere else...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 05, 2010, 02:31:02 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 05, 2010, 01:40:56 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 04, 2010, 10:32:57 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 04, 2010, 11:15:55 AM
Any of the fermanagh lads stand out?

Tommy McElroy, Matthew Keenan and Ryan Keenan at right half back caught the eye.

Cheers!

Ryan Keenan at rhb - you sure? Would generally be a corner fwd, and not even the mobile type who could play anywhere else...

Yeah defo Ryan Keenan. He played the first half and attacked at every opportunity giving Paul Murphy at number 12 much to think about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 05, 2010, 03:21:53 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 05, 2010, 12:48:17 PM
Under 21 Football Panel


The provisional Down Under 21 Football panel has been announced.

1. Connor Doyle (An Riocht)
2. Darren McDowell (Longstone)
3. Ryan McGovern (Burren)
4. James Grant (Loughinisland)
5. Niall Higgins (Annaclone)
6. Pauric O'Rourke (Burren)
7. Daniel Clarke (Saval)
8. Connor Poland (Longstone)
9. Shane Murney (Rostrevor)
10. Ryan Boyle (Warrenpoint)
11. Michael Higgins (Ballymartin)
12. Damien Turley (Downpatrick)
13. Owen Costello (Bredagh)
14. Malachy Magee (Clann Na Banna)
15. Ruari Digney (Saval)
16. Chris Duggan (Bosco)
17. Sean Devlin (Kilcoo)
18. Anton McArdle (Burren)
19. Eamon Toner (Burren)
20. Cormac Hughes (Bredagh)
21. Owen Pyers (Annaclone)
22. Paul Faloon (Saval)
23. Darren O Hagan (Clonduff)
24. Jarlath McCarthy (Saval)
25. Paul Mc Polin (Clonduff)
26. Paddy Gartland (An Riocht)
27. Barry Kane (Kilcoo)
28. Sean Murdock (Burren)
29. Connor O Hare (Ballymartin)
30. Ryan Mallon (Warrenpoint)
31. Jarlath Brannigan (Downpatrick)
32. Chris Killen (An Riocht)
33. Paudie Poland (Burren)
34. Chris Clarke (Bryansford)
35. David McKibben (Bryansford)
36. Ben O'Reilly (Loughinisland)
37. Arthur McConville (Clonduff)
38. Michael Ireland (Longstone)
39. Connaire Harrison (Glassdrumman)
40. John Connolly (Downpatrick)
41. Paul Devlin (Kilcoo)

Would have thought a few Bridge lads would have been in the top under 21 footballers in Down :o :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 05, 2010, 03:23:41 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on January 05, 2010, 09:37:46 AM
Who is represeneting Down in this new U-21 competition? I heard it was Burren v Downpatrick/Bredagh but there was some mention of Longstone.Does anyone know?

Last years county u20 winners should represent Down as it is an under 21 competition!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 05, 2010, 04:55:09 PM
There's not too many under-21 starters from last year. Bit of a fresh start for Collins all round.

I'm not as up to date with Division I football as I once was (something to do with my club!) but I'd think that maybe even a dozen of those fellas aren't guaranteed a start with their clubs. Which would mark them down as not quite the standard required in my book.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 05, 2010, 09:05:41 PM
DOWN 0-14 FERMANAGH 0-11
JAMES McCartan got his career as Down manager off to a winning start with a 0-14 to 0-11 scoreline over Fermanagh on Sunday.

It might only have been a pre-season challenge match at a bitingly cold An Riocht a far cry from a sunny Clones in mid-summer but the former double All-Ireland winner must have been pleased with the form and fitness of his panel, especially as, following the GAA ruling, all county squads were denied collective training in November and December.

Obviously many of his panel, such as Benny Coulter, Danny Hughes, Paul McComiskey, were tried and trusted, but some new men showed they can perhaps force their way into the National League or Championship squads.

One who surely pushed himself forward for inclusion on future Down panels was Michael Magee while Conor Laverty and Mark Poland did their chances no harm at all with accomplished displays.

Magee, the big Ardglass frontman, who came on at the break, fired over three points and was a constant threat to the Fermanagh defence while the speedy Laverty and the intelligent Poland each showed promise.

The match was originally scheduled for Pairc Esler but, due to a frozen pitch, the game was moved to An Riocht, a ground that amazingly proved to be in perfect condition.

In the opening half both Down and Fermanagh traded scores, almost point for point, although the Mourne men held a single point lead at the break 0-07 to 0-06.

Martin Clarke Paul McComiskey (2), Mark Poland (2), Sean Parr and Daniel Hughes were on target for Down with Tony McElroy, Mattie Keenan (2), Niall Cunningham (2) and Ciaran McElroy finding the range for Fermanagh.

Yet the visitors would have led at halftime but for a full stretch Michael McAlister penalty save from Mattie Keenan.

With 15 minutes gone in the second half the sides were level at eight points apiece, Danny Hughes pointing for Down while Keenan and Cunningham lofted over at the other end.

But then big Michael Magee stepped into the spotlight and he hit three points in a 10-minute spell. And with John Clarke and Martin Cole also firing over, suddenly Down had raced into a five-point advantage.

In the final moments in an almost dark An Riocht, Darryl Keenan and the excellent Conor Laverty traded scores while Paul Cosgrove pointed for Fermanagh right on the final whistle.

Down: Michael McAlister, Liam Lennon, Brendan McArdle, Damian Rafferty, Aidan Brannigan, Darren Cunningham, Conor Garvey, Ambrose Rodgers, Peter Fitzpatrick, Martin Clarke, Mark Poland, Paul Murphy, Paul McComiskey, James McGovern and Benny Coulter with subs: Aidan Carr, Danny Hughes, Stephen Kearney, Conor Laverty, John Clarke, Martin Cole Brendan McVeigh, Declan Alder, Michael Magee, Ronan Sexton, Stephen Kearney, Daniel McCartan, Kalum King, Ciaran Gordon, Declan Rooney, Sean Parr, Kevin McKernan, James Colgan and Paul Greenan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on January 06, 2010, 10:55:55 PM
I thought big Kalum turned the county down......oh happy new year to everyone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on January 07, 2010, 11:42:35 AM
According to the Down website, downgaa.net;

Due to the current adverse weather conditions and the predicted weather forecast for the next five days, the Round 1 fixtures in the Barrett Sport Lighting Dr McKenna Cup scheduled for this weekend have been postponed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on January 08, 2010, 04:47:58 PM
Couldnt resist the 12/1 odds for us to lift  the anglo celt. well worth a few quid!  :)
anyone else done any betting?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 08, 2010, 05:35:21 PM
makes a change from last year when we were'nt even quoted for the Ulster c'ship!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on January 08, 2010, 05:48:42 PM
Quote from: 13aside on January 08, 2010, 05:35:21 PM
makes a change from last year when we were'nt even quoted for the Ulster c'ship!!

i got handsome odds last year too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiffler on January 08, 2010, 06:46:22 PM
25/1 last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on January 09, 2010, 02:22:22 AM
Lol put the mortage on it....twice
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 09, 2010, 10:09:49 AM
The other team not quoted last year for the c'ship was the mighty Antrim- hope springs eternal!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 09, 2010, 09:42:56 PM
when are the fixtures for the new season due to be published. And what dates are the leagues to begin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 09, 2010, 11:13:25 PM
Downs planned challenge match against Armagh in An Riocht tomorrow has been cancelled due to inclement weather conditions.

Down fans will have to wait until next week, Saturday 16th January, before they can see their favourite players back in action again.

Down will play host to QUB in Páirc Esler next Saturday at 7.00 pm.

Come along and support the team and in particular new players to the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on January 10, 2010, 09:06:36 AM
LONGSTONE GAC
'FIGHT NIGHT'
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MALACHY TRAINOR –v- PAUL TRIMBLE

CONNAIRE HARRISON –v- CONOR POLAND

ADRIAN TRAINOR –v- MARK HARRISON

PETER FITZPATRICK –v- RYAN KELLY

JOHN PAUL HAUGHIAN –v- COLLIE BURDEN

BRENDAN McVEIGH –v- JOHN TRAINOR

AIDAN POLAND –v- BARRY KELLY

ADRIAN DORAN –v- KIERAN DORAN

JOHN CLARKE –v- MARK POLAND

PAT MALLON –v- EAMON QUINN

FRIDAY 22nd JANUARY 2010 – LONGSTONE HALL

TICKETS £10 – FIRST FIGHT 8.30pm – DISCO TO FOLLOW FINAL FIGHT

Admission is by ticket only and can be obtained from Ashleen Poland & Mark Doran
Will also be on sale in the Longstone Hall between 8.30pm-9.00pm
Tuesday 12th January & Tuesday 19th January 2010 & Thursday 21st January 2010


Hope some of you can make it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on January 10, 2010, 12:36:56 PM
Seems that a 'fight night' is all the rage at the minute..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 10, 2010, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: D4S on January 10, 2010, 09:06:36 AM
LONGSTONE GAC
'FIGHT NIGHT'
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MALACHY TRAINOR –v- PAUL TRIMBLE

CONNAIRE HARRISON –v- CONOR POLAND

ADRIAN TRAINOR –v- MARK HARRISON

PETER FITZPATRICK –v- RYAN KELLY

JOHN PAUL HAUGHIAN –v- COLLIE BURDEN

BRENDAN McVEIGH –v- JOHN TRAINOR

AIDAN POLAND –v- BARRY KELLY

ADRIAN DORAN –v- KIERAN DORAN

JOHN CLARKE –v- MARK POLAND

PAT MALLON –v- EAMON QUINN

FRIDAY 22nd JANUARY 2010 – LONGSTONE HALL

TICKETS £10 – FIRST FIGHT 8.30pm – DISCO TO FOLLOW FINAL FIGHT

Admission is by ticket only and can be obtained from Ashleen Poland & Mark Doran
Will also be on sale in the Longstone Hall between 8.30pm-9.00pm
Tuesday 12th January & Tuesday 19th January 2010 & Thursday 21st January 2010


Hope some of you can make it!


Is that the one and only narrow hips?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 10, 2010, 02:32:49 PM
there still seems to be a lot of vacancies for management jobs especially in div 2 & 3. Id imagine kyran smyth will still be with rgu next year he didnt do badly with them in the league last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on January 10, 2010, 03:01:50 PM
Drumaness Retain their management for the coming year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on January 10, 2010, 04:31:20 PM
I was also wondering is there any dates pencilled in yet for the start of the leagues this year? ACFL Div 4 + EDRL would be of particular interest to me. Also there r now 9 teams in Div 4 this year, does anyone know if there will b 3 rounds (24) or just 2 rounds (16) of games this year for us? Just heard St.Johns r entering a 3rds team in EDRL this yr, can any of the St.Johns posters confirm that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on January 10, 2010, 07:05:15 PM
I wouldnt dismiss the Kerry " county " championship format at all. But it is not the amalgamation of junior clubs some on this thread think.

The " county" championship is the main event down there not the " club" championship. Clubs where they are strong enough - laune rangers/ dr crokes etc enter the "county" championship but those just below amalgamate eg listowel/finuge  come together as feale rangers. most of the amalgamated clubs have their own tradition and it would be hard to recreate that . Few good players go unnoticed ...   mind you they only got donaghy via the underdogs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 10, 2010, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on January 10, 2010, 04:31:20 PM
I was also wondering is there any dates pencilled in yet for the start of the leagues this year? ACFL Div 4 + EDRL would be of particular interest to me. Also there r now 9 teams in Div 4 this year, does anyone know if there will b 3 rounds (24) or just 2 rounds (16) of games this year for us? Just heard St.Johns r entering a 3rds team in EDRL this yr, can any of the St.Johns posters confirm that?
i havent heard any word either i would be keen to find out when div 3 is expected to start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 10, 2010, 08:43:41 PM
hopefully the leagues all start around the first sunday in march, before switching to friday nights when the evenings get brighter. That might mean they finish on time this year. Might be a problem with the national league programme but a few of downs games are on saturday evenings this year i think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 10, 2010, 09:09:58 PM
Interesting to see that St Johns are possibly going to field a 3rds team in the EDRFL. Its a big undertaking as most teams in the EDRFL can just about get 15 boys out on the field on a Sunday evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 10, 2010, 09:12:43 PM
There's no point in playing games in March desperado. Aside from the conflicts with National League, Under-21s, Sigerson and Schools football (which all take place at weekends), recent history tells you that not many pitches are fit for it. One big storm washes out a whole series of fixtures - and if you think it's difficult enough to finish fixtures on time as things stand, throw in a couple of extra cancelled series, and you're looking at a neverending league.

The easiest way to remove congestion is to play every Friday night from April to September regardless of County progress, and also have at least 3 full (compulsory) Monday night series over the period when nights are longest from mid-May to the the end of June.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 10, 2010, 09:37:30 PM
i think it would be worth trying wobbler, september is a disaster of a month for club football, there are no fixtures on sundays because of county boards reluctance to play on all ireand football and hurling finals, the county final is usually on in sept as well. The ulster club cship starts at end of sept usually as well leading to more rearranged games as well. I think glenn suffered in particular last season in particular.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on January 10, 2010, 09:57:47 PM
Quote from: down desperado on January 10, 2010, 09:37:30 PM
i think it would be worth trying wobbler, september is a disaster of a month for club football, there are no fixtures on sundays because of county boards reluctance to play on all ireand football and hurling finals, the county final is usually on in sept as well. The ulster club cship starts at end of sept usually as well leading to more rearranged games as well. I think glenn suffered in particular last season in particular.

I think your slightly off the mark there dd, it would be totally mad to play games on AIF days & I doubt very much if clubs would buy it anyway, after all the AIF's are one of the main highlights of the season for the association.
Also the county final is played in October as well as the Ulster club championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 10, 2010, 10:09:42 PM
i didnt suggest playing league games on all ireland final days, i just pointed out that they tend to disrupt the league programme. And when league games stretch into october {which they regulary do} they clash with with club finals, ulster  club championships etc, meaning that the playoff games  are often delayed, re arranged and played in dreadful conditions in late october early november.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 11, 2010, 09:04:14 AM
There will be division 1 games every Friday from Easter from what I hear.  I'd assume the lower divisions would be the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on January 11, 2010, 09:45:58 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 10, 2010, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: D4S on January 10, 2010, 09:06:36 AM
LONGSTONE GAC
'FIGHT NIGHT'
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MALACHY TRAINOR –v- PAUL TRIMBLE

CONNAIRE HARRISON –v- CONOR POLAND

ADRIAN TRAINOR –v- MARK HARRISON

PETER FITZPATRICK –v- RYAN KELLY

JOHN PAUL HAUGHIAN –v- COLLIE BURDEN

BRENDAN McVEIGH –v- JOHN TRAINOR

AIDAN POLAND –v- BARRY KELLY

ADRIAN DORAN –v- KIERAN DORAN

JOHN CLARKE –v- MARK POLAND

PAT MALLON –v- EAMON QUINN

FRIDAY 22nd JANUARY 2010 – LONGSTONE HALL

TICKETS £10 – FIRST FIGHT 8.30pm – DISCO TO FOLLOW FINAL FIGHT

Admission is by ticket only and can be obtained from Ashleen Poland & Mark Doran
Will also be on sale in the Longstone Hall between 8.30pm-9.00pm
Tuesday 12th January & Tuesday 19th January 2010 & Thursday 21st January 2010


Hope some of you can make it!


Is that the one and only narrow hips?

The one and only!!


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on January 11, 2010, 06:27:19 PM
Quote from: D4S on January 11, 2010, 09:45:58 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 10, 2010, 01:06:26 PM
Quote from: D4S on January 10, 2010, 09:06:36 AM
LONGSTONE GAC
'FIGHT NIGHT'
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MALACHY TRAINOR –v- PAUL TRIMBLE

CONNAIRE HARRISON –v- CONOR POLAND

ADRIAN TRAINOR –v- MARK HARRISON

PETER FITZPATRICK –v- RYAN KELLY

JOHN PAUL HAUGHIAN –v- COLLIE BURDEN

BRENDAN McVEIGH –v- JOHN TRAINOR

AIDAN POLAND –v- BARRY KELLY

ADRIAN DORAN –v- KIERAN DORAN

JOHN CLARKE –v- MARK POLAND

PAT MALLON –v- EAMON QUINN

FRIDAY 22nd JANUARY 2010 – LONGSTONE HALL

TICKETS £10 – FIRST FIGHT 8.30pm – DISCO TO FOLLOW FINAL FIGHT

Admission is by ticket only and can be obtained from Ashleen Poland & Mark Doran
Will also be on sale in the Longstone Hall between 8.30pm-9.00pm
Tuesday 12th January & Tuesday 19th January 2010 & Thursday 21st January 2010


Hope some of you can make it!


Is that the one and only narrow hips?

The one and only!!

some security needed for that night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on January 11, 2010, 06:59:14 PM
surprised jason brown was not selected for the down panal, anyone see him at the trials?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 12, 2010, 06:01:21 PM
The police officer who was seriously injured in a car bomb attack in Co. Antrim on Friday played his club football with St. Paul's GAC in Holywood, Co. Down.

The dissident republican group Oglaigh na hEireann has admitted responsibility for the attempted murder of Constable Peadar Heffron near his home in Randalstown. The 33-year-old, who remained in a critical condition in hospital last night, was the captain of the PSNI's Gaelic football team and was also a playing member of the St. Paul's club in Holywood.

A spokesman for the club said: "St. Paul's confirms that Peadar has been a registered playing member of the club for the past two seasons.

"The committee, on behalf of the membership and players, extend their thoughts and prayers to Peadar and his family at this most distressing time."
Title: Managers
Post by: No1 on January 14, 2010, 10:48:19 AM
QuoteQuote from: No1 on January 04, 2010, 10:37:20 PM
Quote
Bright - Skin Hanna


DF, that's interesting.  He musta got sick of the foreign game.  Where did ya hear that?


A well placed source.



Mr Hanna and DJ Morgan looking after Ballykinlar as far as I know.  Outta the frying pan into the fire!   ;D
Title: Re: Managers
Post by: DownFanatic on January 14, 2010, 01:20:45 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 14, 2010, 10:48:19 AM
QuoteQuote from: No1 on January 04, 2010, 10:37:20 PM
Quote
Bright - Skin Hanna


DF, that's interesting.  He musta got sick of the foreign game.  Where did ya hear that?


A well placed source.



Mr Hanna and DJ Morgan looking after Ballykinlar as far as I know.  Outta the frying pan into the fire!   ;D

Theres poisoned chalices and then there is Ballykinlar...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 14, 2010, 03:03:12 PM
Now now DF, without them your juvenile set up would be in bad way.............

;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on January 14, 2010, 03:55:10 PM
Bit of low blow there DF.Yous not gettin on well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on January 14, 2010, 04:27:12 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 04, 2010, 10:02:07 PM
2010 Managers

Division 1

Mayobridge - Eamon McEnaney
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Clonduff - Paul Lambe
Burren - Frank Dawson
Longstone - Jody Gormley
Castlewellan -
An Riocht - Stephen Poucher
Liatroim -
Rostrevor -


Division 2

Ballyholland -
Annaclone - Tom Potter
Tullylish -
Shamrocks -
Clann na Banna -
Saval -
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Ballymartin -
Attical -
Warrenpoint - Kevin Franklin
Kilclief -
Loughinisland -


Division 3

Drumgath -
Bosco -
Drumaness - Bill Geoghegan
Dundrum - Paul Shields
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty Snr/Donard King/Seamus Braniff
Glasdrumman - Benny Corrigan
Carryduff - Andy Moohan
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Saul - Paul Evans
Glenn -
Ardglass -
Bredagh - Kevin Blaney


Division 4

Mitchels - Harry Cooney/Nigel Allen
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
St Michaels -
Bright -
Ballykinlar - Skin Hanna
Dromara -
Aughlisnafin - Philly McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Aghaderg -
St Pauls -

Saval stick with Declan Morgan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on January 14, 2010, 05:16:41 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on January 14, 2010, 04:27:12 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 04, 2010, 10:02:07 PM
2010 Managers

Division 1

Mayobridge - Eamon McEnaney
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Clonduff - Paul Lambe
Burren - Frank Dawson
Longstone - Jody Gormley
Castlewellan -
An Riocht - Stephen Poucher
Liatroim -
Rostrevor -


Division 2

Ballyholland -
Annaclone - Tom Potter
Tullylish -
Shamrocks -
Clann na Banna -
Saval -
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Ballymartin -
Attical -
Warrenpoint - Kevin Franklin
Kilclief -
Loughinisland -


Division 3

Drumgath -
Bosco -
Drumaness - Bill Geoghegan
Dundrum - Paul Shields
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty Snr/Donard King/Seamus Braniff
Glasdrumman - Benny Corrigan
Carryduff - Andy Moohan
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Saul - Paul Evans
Glenn -
Ardglass -
Bredagh - Kevin Blaney


Division 4

Mitchels - Harry Cooney/Nigel Allen
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
St Michaels -
Bright -
Ballykinlar - Skin Hanna
Dromara -
Aughlisnafin - Philly McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Aghaderg -
St Pauls -

Saval stick with Declan Morgan

Glenn also stick with there management J Kennedy/T Bagnall
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 14, 2010, 06:33:12 PM
has mickey linden stepped down from drumgath?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on January 14, 2010, 08:56:15 PM
Quote from: general on January 14, 2010, 05:16:41 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on January 14, 2010, 04:27:12 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 04, 2010, 10:02:07 PM
2010 Managers

Division 1

Mayobridge - Eamon McEnaney
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Clonduff - Paul Lambe
Burren - Frank Dawson
Longstone - Jody Gormley
Castlewellan -
An Riocht - Stephen Poucher
Liatroim -
Rostrevor -


Division 2

Ballyholland -
Annaclone - Tom Potter
Tullylish -
Shamrocks -
Clann na Banna -
Saval -
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Ballymartin -
Attical -
Warrenpoint - Kevin Franklin
Kilclief -
Loughinisland -


Division 3

Drumgath -
Bosco -
Drumaness - Bill Geoghegan
Dundrum - Paul Shields
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty Snr/Donard King/Seamus Braniff
Glasdrumman - Benny Corrigan
Carryduff - Andy Moohan
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Saul - Paul Evans
Glenn -
Ardglass -
Bredagh - Kevin Blaney


Division 4

Mitchels - Harry Cooney/Nigel Allen
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
St Michaels -
Bright -
Ballykinlar - Skin Hanna
Dromara -
Aughlisnafin - Philly McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Aghaderg -
St Pauls -

Saval stick with Declan Morgan

Glenn also stick with there management J Kennedy/T Bagnall

Shane Mulholland is back at the helm at Ballyholland too. Wonder whether he plays this year as well as manage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on January 15, 2010, 12:23:42 PM
Quote from: down desperado on January 14, 2010, 06:33:12 PM
has mickey linden stepped down from drumgath?

no.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 15, 2010, 12:50:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 15, 2010, 12:23:42 PM
Quote from: down desperado on January 14, 2010, 06:33:12 PM
has mickey linden stepped down from drumgath?

no.

Is this his third or fourth year?
Will Dan Mc Cabe or any of the long term injuries yous had last year be back this year? With him, Mark Brannagain and James Costello back, that would be a forward lie that could cause a lot of damage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 15, 2010, 02:24:09 PM
2010 Managers

Division 1

Mayobridge - Eamon McEnaney
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Clonduff - Paul Lambe
Burren - Frank Dawson
Longstone - Jody Gormley
Castlewellan -
An Riocht - Stephen Poucher
Liatroim -
Rostrevor - John Rafferty


Division 2

Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Annaclone - Tom Potter
Tullylish - Keith Farrell
Shamrocks -
Clann na Banna - Tony Wilson
Saval - Declan Morgan
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Ballymartin -
Attical -
Warrenpoint - Kevin Franklin/Glenn Elmore
Kilclief - John Kane
Loughinisland - Paul McShane


Division 3

Drumgath - Mickey Linden
Bosco -
Drumaness - Bill Geoghegan
Dundrum - Paul Shields
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty Snr/Donard King/Seamus Braniff
Glasdrumman - Benny Corrigan
Carryduff - Andy Moohan
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Saul - Paul Evans
Glenn - John Kennedy/Tony Bagnall
Ardglass -
Bredagh - Kevin Blaney


Division 4

Mitchels - Harry Cooney/Nigel Allen
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
St Michaels - Robert Wilson
Bright -
Ballykinlar - Skin Hanna/DJ Morgan
Dromara -
Aughlisnafin - Philly McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Aghaderg -
St Pauls -
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 15, 2010, 04:22:32 PM
Did Rostrover get rid of John Raff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 15, 2010, 04:53:41 PM
QuoteDivision 2

Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Annaclone - Tom Potter
Tullylish -
Shamrocks -
Clann na Banna -
Saval - Declan Morgan
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Ballymartin -
Attical -
Warrenpoint - Kevin Franklin
Kilclief - John Kane
Loughinisland -

First we've heard of it DF.  Who gave you that info?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on January 15, 2010, 05:19:50 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 15, 2010, 04:22:32 PM
Did Rostrover get rid of John Raff?

No, he still there... new floodlights are nearly ready!
Raff top priority is take Frank back to Fiddler's Green after absence of 12 years!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 15, 2010, 09:12:30 PM
I was just looking at the teams in div 2 for this year. With 3 teams getting relegated again there is going to be a savage dogfight come the end of the season. There might not be a big difference in the points  between the teams in the promotion and relegation play-offs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 15, 2010, 10:00:40 PM
Then the co.board can use score difference/ score average/who won by the bigest margin in the league matches between the teams,mini leagues,round robin competitions(with or without extra-time) replays or just about whatever they like to make sure ,it continues into november,and the only thing they won't use will be common sense-you have been warned!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on January 15, 2010, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 15, 2010, 02:24:09 PM
2010 Managers

Division 1

Mayobridge - Eamon McEnaney
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Clonduff - Paul Lambe
Burren - Frank Dawson
Longstone - Jody Gormley
Castlewellan -
An Riocht - Stephen Poucher
Liatroim -
Rostrevor -


Division 2

Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Annaclone - Tom Potter
Tullylish -
Shamrocks -
Clann na Banna -
Saval - Declan Morgan
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Ballymartin -
Attical -
Warrenpoint - Kevin Franklin
Kilclief - John Kane
Loughinisland -


Division 3

Drumgath - Mickey Linden
Bosco -
Drumaness - Bill Geoghegan
Dundrum - Paul Shields
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty Snr/Donard King/Seamus Braniff
Glasdrumman - Benny Corrigan
Carryduff - Andy Moohan
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Saul - Paul Evans
Glenn - John Kennedy/Tony Bagnall
Ardglass -
Bredagh - Kevin Blaney


Division 4

Mitchels - Harry Cooney/Nigel Allen
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
St Michaels -    Robert Wilson
Bright -
Ballykinlar - Skin Hanna
Dromara -
Aughlisnafin - Philly McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Aghaderg -
St Pauls -
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on January 15, 2010, 10:44:08 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 15, 2010, 04:53:41 PM
QuoteDivision 2

Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Annaclone - Tom Potter
Tullylish -
Shamrocks -
Clann na Banna -
Saval - Declan Morgan
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Ballymartin -
Attical -
Warrenpoint - Kevin Franklin
Kilclief - John Kane
Loughinisland -

First we've heard of it DF.  Who gave you that info?

No.1 - its on the Kilclief notes on the Down website. Boy you guys are really lucky to have secured the services of that guy :-))    I remember him from Jordanstown his pass degree in consumer studies qualified him as a sports psychologist apparently haha
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 15, 2010, 10:49:11 PM
yeah,and last year when he wasn't there to train the team he got his da in and he got paid as well!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on January 15, 2010, 10:55:47 PM
Really? God knows who is worse lol

The Da was scouting a lot of Shamrocks and Ballyholland games to launch counter tactics against them last year!

A very small man in many many ways lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 15, 2010, 11:28:02 PM
Well there ya go.  They mustn't be looking me back this year.   :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on January 15, 2010, 11:29:21 PM
No 1 - were you playing last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 15, 2010, 11:30:37 PM
Only when we were stuck!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on January 15, 2010, 11:33:14 PM
So I take it you were not enamoured by the charisma, tactics and warmth of the mercenary Kanes?! lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 15, 2010, 11:35:32 PM
I am saying f**k all.   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on January 15, 2010, 11:55:23 PM
Well I respect your restraint! But from what I know you are not an endangered minority in respect to your experiences of Evil and Mini Me lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on January 16, 2010, 03:28:06 AM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on January 15, 2010, 10:44:08 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 15, 2010, 04:53:41 PM
QuoteDivision 2

Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Annaclone - Tom Potter
Tullylish -
Shamrocks -
Clann na Banna -
Saval - Declan Morgan
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Ballymartin -
Attical -
Warrenpoint - Kevin Franklin
Kilclief - John Kane
Loughinisland -

First we've heard of it DF.  Who gave you that info?

No.1 - its on the Kilclief notes on the Down website. Boy you guys are really lucky to have secured the services of that guy :-))    I remember him from Jordanstown his pass degree in consumer studies qualified him as a sports psychologist apparently haha

lokking at spaces left out John Rafferty is def takinf the reds , already training and well if bosco r mad and having not lost a league game all year and losing out to glen in the jfc by 1 after a replay i would guess paddy mcavoy will be with them this season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 16, 2010, 07:28:25 AM
for your list of so called 'managers' delete this description and replace it with -MERCENERIES
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on January 16, 2010, 11:05:18 AM
Now there is a good idea. Lets list all the managers and show who are home club men (so are likely to be doing it free gratis) and those wandering carpetbaggers lol!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on January 16, 2010, 04:06:06 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 15, 2010, 12:50:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 15, 2010, 12:23:42 PM
Quote from: down desperado on January 14, 2010, 06:33:12 PM
has mickey linden stepped down from drumgath?

no.

Is this his third or fourth year?
Will Dan Mc Cabe or any of the long term injuries yous had last year be back this year? With him, Mark Brannagain and James Costello back, that would be a forward lie that could cause a lot of damage.

Dan is in America, Costello plays for Glenavon and brandy has been transferred to aughlisnafinn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 16, 2010, 04:44:40 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on January 15, 2010, 10:55:47 PM
Really? God knows who is worse lol

The Da was scouting a lot of Shamrocks and Ballyholland games to launch counter tactics against them last year!

A very small man in many many ways lol

I cant believe I'm defending him but in fairness to Val he goes to every Ballyholland game and has done for years since he stopped playing for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on January 16, 2010, 05:18:23 PM
5 Sams - was he supporting your teams all those years? At any time?? Why does he attend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 16, 2010, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 16, 2010, 04:06:06 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 15, 2010, 12:50:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 15, 2010, 12:23:42 PM
Quote from: down desperado on January 14, 2010, 06:33:12 PM
has mickey linden stepped down from drumgath?

no.

Is this his third or fourth year?
Will Dan Mc Cabe or any of the long term injuries yous had last year be back this year? With him, Mark Brannagain and James Costello back, that would be a forward lie that could cause a lot of damage.

Dan is in America, Costello plays for Glenavon and brandy has been transferred to aughlisnafinn.

This true?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 16, 2010, 07:10:33 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on January 16, 2010, 05:18:23 PM
5 Sams - was he supporting your teams all those years? At any time?? Why does he attend?

The man would go to an Under 6 game if there was nothing else on...Ballyholland is his local club even though he hasnt been involved for years...plus the fact he's best mates with one of our trustees who never misses a game either...he goes to watch a game of football...whats with all the suspicion???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 16, 2010, 09:02:30 PM
Anyone know how the game went?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 16, 2010, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 16, 2010, 09:02:30 PM
Anyone know how the game went?

Down won, its on the GAA discussion section
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 16, 2010, 09:13:42 PM
think the final score was 1:17 to 0:08,goal from penalty from Marty Clarke after sub Laverty had been fouled.Worthwhile run-out and a good crowd to see the first competitive fixture under the new management,one little gripe the £9 entrance fee a tad mutch-although the match programme with every squad in the McKenna cup listed and fixtures at £1 was very reasonable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 16, 2010, 10:23:27 PM
In fairness £9 isnt too bad into a game. Decent programme as well and a few pints in the club afterwards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: batman on January 16, 2010, 10:37:40 PM
Marty Clarke will be a great addition to the team, he can give good ball to the inside forward line, played well tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 16, 2010, 10:41:58 PM
This was a decent performance from Down, although Queen's, after a reasonable start, completely folded in the second half. However, we still have a considerable amount of work to do at the back if we are to make an impact in the summer.

Marty Clarke did well without ever fully getting into his stride. His mark early on was worth the admission alone, and he hit a series of beautiful early passes to Benny and particularly his brother, John. He only missed one free all night, finishing with 1-6, and drilled the penalty right into the bottom corner.

The other big plus was James Colgan, who won every ball at centre half and used his possession impressively with his long fisted passes. Pace was not a problem for him tonight, but there will  be more difficult opponents before long.

As for the rest, Alder looked the part in nets, with excellent handling and good length with his kick-outs. He seems to have lost quite a bit of weight, and is much the better for it.

In the corners, Toner was poor in the first half but improved as the game wore on, while Rafferty battled for everything as usual. McArdle is not really a full back, and was replaced during the break by McKernan, who was much more convincing.

Garvey was fairly strong at wing half, and kicked a fine point, although he had a couple of handling errors as well, while Parr on his debut did not make a major impact at any stage.

Ambrose, our captain for the night, was as reliable as ever, and could have a big season if he stays fit, but Greenan, his partner, seemed a bit overawed.

Poland covered a lot of ground at centre forward but looks small for a central position, while Kearney, as always, worked hard.

Benny took a couple of brilliant scores, but there is much more to come from him, while John Clarke and McComiskey had worthwhile nights.

Hughes and Fitzpatrick looked good when they came on, but Laverty, while he won the penalty, was niggling away, and got very little change out of Costello, the Bredagh player who came off the bench for Queen's.

The other Down player to feature for Queen's were Luke Byrne and Joe Ireland of Bryansford, who had their moments, during a pretty poor effort by the visiting team overall.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 17, 2010, 12:23:39 AM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on January 15, 2010, 10:44:08 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 15, 2010, 04:53:41 PM
QuoteDivision 2

Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Annaclone - Tom Potter
Tullylish -
Shamrocks -
Clann na Banna -
Saval - Declan Morgan
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Ballymartin -
Attical -
Warrenpoint - Kevin Franklin
Kilclief - John Kane
Loughinisland -

First we've heard of it DF.  Who gave you that info?

No.1 - its on the Kilclief notes on the Down website. Boy you guys are really lucky to have secured the services of that guy :-))    I remember him from Jordanstown his pass degree in consumer studies qualified him as a sports psychologist apparently haha
http://irishsportpsych.com/docs/PSYCHWORKSvol1.pdf

Tomorrow is another day I will refer you to Page 10 of this link. To be fair I would imagine it may be his masters in sports psychology+ his three years supervied experience that qualifies him as a Sports psychologist as opposed to his Consumer Studies degree. Though that is just a stab in the dark and I may be wrong  :o You might want to get your facts right before trying to make a c@ck out of  someone in future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on January 17, 2010, 12:51:10 AM
Dundrumite - you cant make chicken soup out of chicken shit. Tell me why in the edition just one year later the so called 38 approved"psycologists" have been reduced to just 10 approved Institute of Sport Psychologists? See link below

http://www.irishsportpsych.com/site/attachments/011_psychworks2009.pdf

I have a masters criminal psychology - that does not make me a psychologist. I will say no more. Lets move on..


By the way tonight Down looked excellent from midfield forward but I fear it will be worth very little if wee James cannot unearth  a quality full back and corner backs while also a centre back is also required. Will be an interesting year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 17, 2010, 01:31:21 AM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on January 17, 2010, 12:51:10 AM
Dundrumite - you cant make chicken soup out of chicken shit. Tell me why in the edition just one year later the so called 38 approved"psycologists" have been reduced to just 10 approved Institute of Sport Psychologists? See link below

http://www.irishsportpsych.com/site/attachments/011_psychworks2009.pdf

I have a masters criminal psychology - that does not make me a psychologist. I will say no more. Lets move on..


By the way tonight Down looked excellent from midfield forward but I fear it will be worth very little if wee James cannot unearth  a quality full back and corner backs while also a centre back is also required. Will be an interesting year

Chicken craic, Great term.
Really can't answer the difference in the Irish Sport Psychologist definitions between "approved" and "recognised" as I don't know.Though they are two different terms and its not a drop from 38 to 10 approved as you are suggesting. A masters in Sports Psychology and the fact his name is even in a legitimate sports psychologist website, would lead him to being a lot more qualified as a Sports Psychologist than someone with a mere degree in Consumer Studies as your first post stated (followed by a smug ha ha), thats my point in a nutshell. However, as you say lets move on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on January 17, 2010, 03:47:27 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 16, 2010, 10:23:27 PM
In fairness £9 isnt too bad into a game. Decent programme as well and a few pints in the club afterwards.

steep for mckenna cup
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 17, 2010, 04:02:42 PM
RGU beat Bredagh by 3 in the East Down under 20 final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on January 17, 2010, 04:40:59 PM
Bredagh can feel hard done by due to a few refereeing decisions and the behaviour of an incompetant linesman. RGU took their chances and won a lot of breaking ball in the first half, should do well against Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 17, 2010, 04:50:55 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on January 17, 2010, 04:40:59 PM
Bredagh can feel hard done by due to a few refereeing decisions and the behaviour of an incompetant linesman. RGU took their chances and won a lot of breaking ball in the first half, should do well against Burren

Was he neutral?
Surely your senior team this year should be sprinkled with a fair few of these lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on January 17, 2010, 05:16:25 PM
Refereed a minor game of ours two years ago and had a dispute with one of our players then who also played today, seemed to have remembered him and ignored the said player being struck in the face right infront of him, as well as being pulled to the ground off the ball before that. Also gave a line ball that was not out resulting in a vital Downpatrick score.
Why did they decide to change the rule on rolling subs today, given it had been in place for the whole competition?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 17, 2010, 05:20:44 PM
Dodgy, on a different subject, who were you supporting last night at the marshes ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on January 17, 2010, 05:23:58 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on January 17, 2010, 05:20:44 PM
Dodgy, on a different subject, who were you supporting last night at the marshes ?
An Dun, with the hope of Owen putting in a good performance for Queens.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 17, 2010, 05:27:34 PM
The right answer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 17, 2010, 05:51:08 PM
Thats a very encouraging win for Downpatrick today. A good few of the players on that team have been playing for the RGU Seniors over the past couple of years and that experience in Senior football has probably edged them home.

Bredagh have been fiercely competitive this past 6 or 7 years in East Down and I would of thought that we would have seen some of these players making a mark on their Senior team this past couple of years.

Maybe a Bredagh poster could enlighten me: where are the majority of players going when they come out of Minor/U-20's?

This is a personal opinion and may not be received well but I do feel that if the flow of Derry ex-pats had of been stemmed over the past few years then Bredagh Seniors would be in a much better position than they are now.

On many occasions I have gone to play Bredagh and have seen boys that Ive played against as Minors sitting on the bench while some mid thirty something who probably couldnt cut it with Slaughtneil Thirds, is hobbling about the pitch contributing very little.

Id say a lot of young players coming through the ranks have seen the influx of players coming into the Senior team from other clubs/counties and due to the buddy system that has been in place, they have just thrown in the towel.

In my opinion Bredagh's future lies in the youth that have been playing at a very high level in the underage ranks. By continually relying on players in the twilight of their career, Bredagh are severely restricting their chances of progress up through the Divisions when the potential to do so is clearly there.

Cue backlash...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on January 17, 2010, 06:40:25 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on January 17, 2010, 05:16:25 PM
Refereed a minor game of ours two years ago and had a dispute with one of our players then who also played today, seemed to have remembered him and ignored the said player being struck in the face right infront of him, as well as being pulled to the ground off the ball before that. Also gave a line ball that was not out resulting in a vital Downpatrick score.
Why did they decide to change the rule on rolling subs today, given it had been in place for the whole competition?
In fairness Downpatrick were the much better side today and 13 scores to 7 says it all really with a dodgy penalty thrown in
There's no love lost with this particular ref and the Hoops and one of their guys was saying to me that they cant remember the last time they won a championship game with him in charge
their free takers were very good when it mattered but John Connolly and Seam Bell were immense.
Connolly wins some unwinnable ball and draws a fantastic amount of fouls.
Nice to be able to call on a keeper of Nathan Curran's ability as a reserve at U 20 level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on January 17, 2010, 06:48:47 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 17, 2010, 06:40:25 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on January 17, 2010, 05:16:25 PM
Refereed a minor game of ours two years ago and had a dispute with one of our players then who also played today, seemed to have remembered him and ignored the said player being struck in the face right infront of him, as well as being pulled to the ground off the ball before that. Also gave a line ball that was not out resulting in a vital Downpatrick score.
Why did they decide to change the rule on rolling subs today, given it had been in place for the whole competition?
In fairness Downpatrick were the much better side today and 13 scores to 7 says it all really with a dodgy penalty thrown in
There's no love lost with this particular ref and the Hoops and one of their guys was saying to me that they cant remember the last time they won a championship game with him in charge
their free takers were very good when it mattered but John Connolly and Seam Bell were immense.
Connolly wins some unwinnable ball and draws a fantastic amount of fouls.
Nice to be able to call on a keeper of Nathan Curran's ability as a reserve at U 20 level

The corner forward was clearly fouled and it was a penalty. What about the foot block that nothing was done about when Bredagh shot for goal in the first half? Would you deny that Downpatrick deserved (under the rules of the game) to have a man sent off for striking? Downpatrick are a very good side but to say they were "much better" than Bredagh today is laughable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on January 17, 2010, 07:14:00 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on January 17, 2010, 06:48:47 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on January 17, 2010, 06:40:25 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on January 17, 2010, 05:16:25 PM
Refereed a minor game of ours two years ago and had a dispute with one of our players then who also played today, seemed to have remembered him and ignored the said player being struck in the face right infront of him, as well as being pulled to the ground off the ball before that. Also gave a line ball that was not out resulting in a vital Downpatrick score.
Why did they decide to change the rule on rolling subs today, given it had been in place for the whole competition?
In fairness Downpatrick were the much better side today and 13 scores to 7 says it all really with a dodgy penalty thrown in
There's no love lost with this particular ref and the Hoops and one of their guys was saying to me that they cant remember the last time they won a championship game with him in charge
their free takers were very good when it mattered but John Connolly and Seam Bell were immense.
Connolly wins some unwinnable ball and draws a fantastic amount of fouls.
Nice to be able to call on a keeper of Nathan Curran's ability as a reserve at U 20 level

The corner forward was clearly fouled and it was a penalty. What about the foot block that nothing was done about when Bredagh shot for goal in the first half? Would you deny that Downpatrick deserved (under the rules of the game) to have a man sent off for striking? Downpatrick are a very good side but to say they were "much better" than Bredagh today is laughable.
I'm not from Downpatrick and have no intention in getting involved in whataboutery. Just giving a neutral opinion.
Don't recall the strike you refer to but am not saying it dodn't happen, but equally there was ahead thrown by Bredagh no 7 mid 2nd half.
Connolly being constantly fouled never got  one yellow against the defenders.
Bredagh scored 3 times with a;stronger second half breeze and one of those was a penalty.
Downpatrick scored 7 against and 6 with the breeze
End off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 17, 2010, 08:36:50 PM
No backlash DF, some good points raised.

last year a lot off the times we had 13 players on the field who came through the juvenile ranks at the club, and going by this year this will continue. about 8 years ago a major youth drive was launched and a lot of the boys who played today in the team are part of that drive. Yes we have been competitive at underage levels but that means nothing if they dint come through to the senior ranks  imho.

the age profile for the team has reduced over the last few years as the young players have arrived on the seen, and todays team contained 3 players from last years u16 team.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on January 17, 2010, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 17, 2010, 08:36:50 PM
No backlash DF, some good points raised.

last year a lot off the times we had 13 players on the field who came through the juvenile ranks at the club, and going by this year this will continue. about 8 years ago a major youth drive was launched and a lot of the boys who played today in the team are part of that drive. Yes we have been competitive at underage levels but that means nothing if they dint come through to the senior ranks  imho.

the age profile for the team has reduced over the last few years as the young players have arrived on the seen, and todays team contained 3 players from last years u16 team.

Down Fanatic. Have to agree with Sq Ball, you make several points that are right on the nail. In the 12 year past our young lads played gaelic just for something to do, now they are developing a serious GAA appreciation and with it a success mentality.  I feel certain this will produce dividends in the not too distant future. Local management and parental support are the key I believe and we have that in abundance at present.

In today's game Downpatrick were always stronger and I agree that Div 2 experience of several of the players made a real difference.  That said, we could have taken it but well done RGU they were the best today.

By the by, heard Calrke's 'Mark' was captured on video and is somewhere on the web - anybody got the link please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on January 17, 2010, 09:27:07 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on January 17, 2010, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 17, 2010, 08:36:50 PM
No backlash DF, some good points raised.

last year a lot off the times we had 13 players on the field who came through the juvenile ranks at the club, and going by this year this will continue. about 8 years ago a major youth drive was launched and a lot of the boys who played today in the team are part of that drive. Yes we have been competitive at underage levels but that means nothing if they dint come through to the senior ranks  imho.

the age profile for the team has reduced over the last few years as the young players have arrived on the seen, and todays team contained 3 players from last years u16 team.

Down Fanatic. Have to agree with Sq Ball, you make several points that are right on the nail. In the 12 year past our young lads played gaelic just for something to do, now they are developing a serious GAA appreciation and with it a success mentality.  I feel certain this will produce dividends in the not too distant future. Local management and parental support are the key I believe and we have that in abundance at present.

In today's game Downpatrick were always stronger and I agree that Div 2 experience of several of the players made a real difference.  That said, we could have taken it but well done RGU they were the best today.

By the by, heard Calrke's 'Mark' was captured on video and is somewhere on the web - anybody got the link please?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBt4HxxQ7Vw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on January 17, 2010, 09:29:15 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on January 17, 2010, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 17, 2010, 08:36:50 PM
No backlash DF, some good points raised.

last year a lot off the times we had 13 players on the field who came through the juvenile ranks at the club, and going by this year this will continue. about 8 years ago a major youth drive was launched and a lot of the boys who played today in the team are part of that drive. Yes we have been competitive at underage levels but that means nothing if they dint come through to the senior ranks  imho.

the age profile for the team has reduced over the last few years as the young players have arrived on the seen, and todays team contained 3 players from last years u16 team.

Down Fanatic. Have to agree with Sq Ball, you make several points that are right on the nail. In the 12 year past our young lads played gaelic just for something to do, now they are developing a serious GAA appreciation and with it a success mentality.  I feel certain this will produce dividends in the not too distant future. Local management and parental support are the key I believe and we have that in abundance at present.

In today's agme Downpatrick were always stronger and I agree that Div 2 experience of several of the players made a real difference.  That said, we could have taken it but well done RGU they were the best today.
Was a good game today given the blustery conditions, and thought we did enough to deserve the win, especially in the last quarter.
Bredagh are definitely doing the right things by building up their underage structures as can be witnessed by their increasing competitiveness at all ages and this can only be good not just for the club but also for Down football in general.
No doubt the senior experience of the spine of RGU came to the fore, particularly Bell, Connolly, Damien Turley, Jarlath Brannigan and Collins, but must say I was impressed by two of the younger guys, Ryan Slevin and Declan Turley who must be pressing for a minor recognition this year.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on January 17, 2010, 09:41:23 PM
Cheers Rambler,
Clarke came from nowhere for that one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WhoAreYaWhoAreYa! on January 17, 2010, 09:42:21 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on January 17, 2010, 09:27:07 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on January 17, 2010, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 17, 2010, 08:36:50 PM
No backlash DF, some good points raised.

last year a lot off the times we had 13 players on the field who came through the juvenile ranks at the club, and going by this year this will continue. about 8 years ago a major youth drive was launched and a lot of the boys who played today in the team are part of that drive. Yes we have been competitive at underage levels but that means nothing if they dint come through to the senior ranks  imho.

the age profile for the team has reduced over the last few years as the young players have arrived on the seen, and todays team contained 3 players from last years u16 team.

Down Fanatic. Have to agree with Sq Ball, you make several points that are right on the nail. In the 12 year past our young lads played gaelic just for something to do, now they are developing a serious GAA appreciation and with it a success mentality.  I feel certain this will produce dividends in the not too distant future. Local management and parental support are the key I believe and we have that in abundance at present.

In today's game Downpatrick were always stronger and I agree that Div 2 experience of several of the players made a real difference.  That said, we could have taken it but well done RGU they were the best today.

By the by, heard Calrke's 'Mark' was captured on video and is somewhere on the web - anybody got the link please?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBt4HxxQ7Vw

Quality
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 17, 2010, 10:22:02 PM
We cannot place too much weight on McKenna Cup games in January, but it might be worth looking at the competition for places which is emerging in the Down squad. Against QUB, we used 20 players in all. Just as a talking point, here is another possible team entirely composed of those who were either unused subs last night, did not make the panel or were unavailable for various reasons.

Brendan McVeigh; Luke Howard, Declan Rooney, Martin Cole; Timmy Hanna, Liam Doyle, Paul Murphy; Dan Gordon, Kallum King; Conor Maginn, Michael Walsh, Aidan Carr; Ronan Sexton, Michael Magee, Ronan Murtagh.

It is not a bad line-up, and it does not include the likes of Michael McAllister, Joe Ireland and Colm Murney, who are all on Sigerson duty, and Peter Turley, Ciaran McGovern, Kevin Duffin and John Fegan, who all  played in the championship last summer.

Our difficulty is that we clearly have strength in depth for some positions, but our first choice defence still needs to take shape and we are still relying very heavily on a small number of key figures overall.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 17, 2010, 10:55:10 PM
WhAt was last nights lineup?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 18, 2010, 12:14:27 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 17, 2010, 10:22:02 PM
Our difficulty is that we clearly have strength in depth for some positions, but our first choice defence still needs to take shape and we are still relying very heavily on a small number of key figures overall.

We need to get our first choice defence sorted and settled for the first game of the national league. Kildare will be a step above anything we have played in the last few years. Could we play Martin Clarke at centre half back and use McKernan and Colgan in the full back line? He is certainly more than capable of playing in defence, but I get the feeling that is a role he may not want.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on January 18, 2010, 01:11:36 AM
Quote from: supersub on January 17, 2010, 10:55:10 PM
WhAt was last nights lineup?
1. Declan Alder (Carryduff)
27. Stephen Toner (Bryansford)
12. Brendan McArdle (Annaclone)
4. Damien Rafferty (Newry Shamrocks)
19. Sean Parr (Rostrevor)
25. James Colgan (An Riocht)
7. Conor Garvey (Mayobridge)
8. Ambrose Rodgers (Longstone)
20. Paul Greenan (Kilcoo)
10. Martin Clarke (An Riocht)
11. Mark Poland (Longstone)
30. Stephen Kearney (Saval)
29. John Clarke (An Riocht)
15. Brendan Coulter (Mayobridge)
13. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 18, 2010, 01:22:46 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 17, 2010, 10:22:02 PM
We cannot place too much weight on McKenna Cup games in January, but it might be worth looking at the competition for places which is emerging in the Down squad. Against QUB, we used 20 players in all. Just as a talking point, here is another possible team entirely composed of those who were either unused subs last night, did not make the panel or were unavailable for various reasons.

Brendan McVeigh; Luke Howard, Declan Rooney, Martin Cole; Timmy Hanna, Liam Doyle, Paul Murphy; Dan Gordon, Kallum King; Conor Maginn, Michael Walsh, Aidan Carr; Ronan Sexton, Michael Magee, Ronan Murtagh.

It is not a bad line-up, and it does not include the likes of Michael McAllister, Joe Ireland and Colm Murney, who are all on Sigerson duty, and Peter Turley, Ciaran McGovern, Kevin Duffin and John Fegan, who all  played in the championship last summer.

Our difficulty is that we clearly have strength in depth for some positions, but our first choice defence still needs to take shape and we are still relying very heavily on a small number of key figures overall.
Highlighted players Would be in my top 15. I wonder how many changes will be made for Wednesday night? It Will be  balancing act between getting a look at boys and trying to establish some team continuity.
A funny incident occurred along the line on Saturday night. Cahal O'Rourke was barking a mouthful to the ref about not booking a Down player who had committed a similar foul to a Queens who had got booked moments earlier. James  had a little smile to himself shook his head and walked on. Good to see a bit of intelligence and not getting involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on January 19, 2010, 05:59:43 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 16, 2010, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 16, 2010, 04:06:06 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 15, 2010, 12:50:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 15, 2010, 12:23:42 PM
Quote from: down desperado on January 14, 2010, 06:33:12 PM
has mickey linden stepped down from drumgath?

no.

Is this his third or fourth year?
Will Dan Mc Cabe or any of the long term injuries yous had last year be back this year? With him, Mark Brannagain and James Costello back, that would be a forward lie that could cause a lot of damage.

Dan is in America, Costello plays for Glenavon and brandy has been transferred to aughlisnafinn.

This true?
DF i think Charlie is taking the piss + trying 2 make a joke at Aughlisnafin's expense. We had a players meeting last sunday + there was definitely no word of any Mark Brannigan coming to play for us! How's your club's preparations going for the season ahead?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on January 19, 2010, 08:19:46 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 16, 2010, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 16, 2010, 04:06:06 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 15, 2010, 12:50:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 15, 2010, 12:23:42 PM
Quote from: down desperado on January 14, 2010, 06:33:12 PM
has mickey linden stepped down from drumgath?

no.

Is this his third or fourth year?
Will Dan Mc Cabe or any of the long term injuries yous had last year be back this year? With him, Mark Brannagain and James Costello back, that would be a forward lie that could cause a lot of damage.

Dan is in America, Costello plays for Glenavon and brandy has been transferred to aughlisnafinn.

This true?


How true is it that Mark Brannigan has went to the finn?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on January 19, 2010, 09:04:21 PM
Quote from: Banna Man on January 19, 2010, 08:19:46 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 16, 2010, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 16, 2010, 04:06:06 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 15, 2010, 12:50:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 15, 2010, 12:23:42 PM
Quote from: down desperado on January 14, 2010, 06:33:12 PM
has mickey linden stepped down from drumgath?

no.

Is this his third or fourth year?
Will Dan Mc Cabe or any of the long term injuries yous had last year be back this year? With him, Mark Brannagain and James Costello back, that would be a forward lie that could cause a lot of damage.

Dan is in America, Costello plays for Glenavon and brandy has been transferred to aughlisnafinn.

This true?


How true is it that Mark Brannigan has went to the finn?
It is def NOT true Banna Man, see post above yours. I think Charlie Tully was TRYING to be funny!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on January 19, 2010, 11:32:34 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 18, 2010, 01:22:46 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 17, 2010, 10:22:02 PM
We cannot place too much weight on McKenna Cup games in January, but it might be worth looking at the competition for places which is emerging in the Down squad. Against QUB, we used 20 players in all. Just as a talking point, here is another possible team entirely composed of those who were either unused subs last night, did not make the panel or were unavailable for various reasons.

Brendan McVeigh; Luke Howard, Declan Rooney, Martin Cole; Timmy Hanna, Liam Doyle, Paul Murphy; Dan Gordon, Kallum King; Conor Maginn, Michael Walsh, Aidan Carr; Ronan Sexton, Michael Magee, Ronan Murtagh.

It is not a bad line-up, and it does not include the likes of Michael McAllister, Joe Ireland and Colm Murney, who are all on Sigerson duty, and Peter Turley, Ciaran McGovern, Kevin Duffin and John Fegan, who all  played in the championship last summer.

Our difficulty is that we clearly have strength in depth for some positions, but our first choice defence still needs to take shape and we are still relying very heavily on a small number of key figures overall.
Highlighted players Would be in my top 15. I wonder how many changes will be made for Wednesday night? It Will be  balancing act between getting a look at boys and trying to establish some team continuity.
A funny incident occurred along the line on Saturday night. Cahal O'Rourke was barking a mouthful to the ref about not booking a Down player who had committed a similar foul to a Queens who had got booked moments earlier. James  had a little smile to himself shook his head and walked on. Good to see a bit of intelligence and not getting involved.

I also think Timmy Hanna is worth a shout
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 20, 2010, 10:28:51 PM
Back from the match in Newry and a second win for Down,this time on a 0:19 to 1:11 against Antrim.Championship level it sure is not but you have to respect the enthusiasm,team effort and committment of the Down players on view.A great dominant first half with Fitzpatrick,Colgan,Hughes,Clarke,Coulter,Carr and after an uncertain start Laverty all playing well Down lost their way for a period in the second half.The new instructions to referees about the 'fisted' pass cost Down good possession and a poor delivery from a free led to Antrim scores which left the crowd on edge.A couple of changes notably the introduction of Ambrose Rodgers steadied the nerves and Down ran out deserved winners.Congratulations.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 20, 2010, 11:13:24 PM
Impressive performance tonight. Down really playing much better brand off football under the new management. I was again impressived by James Colgan at centre half, very strong and holds his position well and has great composure and distribution on the ball. Aidan Carr, Danny Hughes, Peter Fitzpatrick, Marty Clarke, Conor Laverty and Benny Coulter also put in really good displays with McComiskey as lively as ever when he came on. Going to be strong squad to select from the year with and hopefully we continue to progress.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on January 20, 2010, 11:23:08 PM
The two man full forward line worked well and antrim were not able to cope, allowing down to build up a healthy first half lead. One passage of play in the first half involving Coulter and Lavery was pure class and a joy to watch. Aidan Carr was impressive, Fitzpatrick had a good game , but Kalum King maybe doesnt have the pace for this level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on January 21, 2010, 12:53:26 PM
How has Mark Poland played in the last 2 games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 21, 2010, 03:44:15 PM
Yes started the first game against Queens and introduced as a sub early last night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 21, 2010, 04:20:29 PM
more info sthdwn Mark was thrown into a tough position when lining out at CHF last week and this would not suit a player of his build despite  his ability,brought on early last night and struggled to get up to the pace right away-but did settle and play his part,think he will be more effective in one of the four wide positions up -front in the league and c'ship,has a terrific scoring record at club level and will prove his worth on the drier pitches ahead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on January 21, 2010, 10:18:04 PM
Anybody got the Down starting line up for the Antrim game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 21, 2010, 10:36:48 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on January 21, 2010, 10:18:04 PM
Anybody got the Down starting line up for the Antrim game?

Down team: McVeigh, Lennon, McKernan, Cole, Hughes, Colgan, Cunningham, King, Fitzpatrick, M Clarke, McGinn, McGovern, Carr, Coulter, Laverty.
Subs Poland for McGovern, McComiskey for Carr, Rodgers for King, Duffin for Coulter and Clarke for Coulter.
Scorers Hughes 0-2, Fitzpatrick 0-3, M Clarke 0-4 2f 1 45, McGovern 0-1, Coulter 0-3, Laverty 0-4. McComiskey 0-2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on January 21, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
Cheers TH
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 21, 2010, 10:40:12 PM
Its in the McKenna Cuup thread.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 22, 2010, 10:34:17 AM
Noticed in the McKenna cup match programme that Ros Treabhir has replaced the former Caislan Ruairi as Rostrevor players. Is this a new Irish language description or an older version resurrected or something else?............just for conversation and explanation-thanks   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 22, 2010, 02:56:54 PM
Quote from: 13aside on January 22, 2010, 10:34:17 AM
Noticed in the McKenna cup match programme that Ros Treabhir has replaced the former Caislan Ruairi as Rostrevor players. Is this a new Irish language description or an older version resurrected or something else?............just for conversation and explanation-thanks

As far as I can remember from school caislean meant castle and was used both the describe Newcatle (Caislean Nua) and castlewellan. So I would imagine caislean ruari is the castle of Ross. Then Ros Treabhir would be the literal definition of Rostrevor. However have no idea of which one originated first.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 22, 2010, 03:06:17 PM
Caislean Ruari has always been used by the GAA because it was the original name for the area before the English Ross and Trevor families moved in and established themselves.

Ros Treabhir is a strange attempt to translate two English names into Gaelic. A bit like calling Hilltown Cnoc Bhaile rather than Cluain Daimh (Clonduff).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 22, 2010, 04:36:38 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 22, 2010, 03:06:17 PM
Caislean Ruari has always been used by the GAA because it was the original name for the area before the English Ross and Trevor families moved in and established themselves.

Ros Treabhir is a strange attempt to translate two English names into Gaelic. A bit like calling Hilltown Cnoc Bhaile rather than Cluain Daimh (Clonduff).

Would it be a townland thing?? I'm not sure....I would call Warrenpoint Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua although that is only one of the townlands in the area (Ringmacilroy) while the "Official" version is "An Phointe".

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 22, 2010, 05:51:12 PM
Down Manager James Mc Cartan has named a Panel of 24 for Sundays final Dr Mc Kenna Cup Group Match v Derry in Celtic Park.

After two impressive wins against QUB and Antrim, Down will want to conclude their Group games with a win against Derry.

The lads will be well aware of the challenge that faces them as a trip to Celtic Park always proves to be a difficult encounter.





Down Panel (24) for Dr McKenna Cup Group Game vs Derry
Celtic Park
Sunday, 24 January 2010 at 2.00pm

Declan Alder
Brendan McVeigh
Daniel McCartan
Conor Garvey
Damien Rafferty
Kevin Duffin
James Colgan
Aidan Carr
Ambrose Rodgers
Kalum King
Ronan Murtagh
Mark Poland
Peter Fitzpatrick
John Clarke
Michael Magee
Conor Maginn
Kevin McKernan
Martin Cole
Sean Parr
Darren Cunningham
Paul Greenan
Paul McComiskey
Conor Laverty
Martin Clarke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 22, 2010, 05:55:03 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 22, 2010, 02:56:54 PM
Quote from: 13aside on January 22, 2010, 10:34:17 AM
Noticed in the McKenna cup match programme that Ros Treabhir has replaced the former Caislan Ruairi as Rostrevor players. Is this a new Irish language description or an older version resurrected or something else?............just for conversation and explanation-thanks

As far as I can remember from school caislean meant castle and was used both the describe Newcatle (Caislean Nua) and castlewellan. So I would imagine caislean ruari is the castle of Ross. Then Ros Treabhir would be the literal definition of Rostrevor. However have no idea of which one originated first.

Your a future Irish Lanaguage officer in the making.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 22, 2010, 07:39:35 PM
id lke to see mckernan starting at full back on sunday. He looked impressive in the 2nd half against queens but against derry our defence will get a much sterner test. I hope mick magee gets a chance at full forward i thought he would have featured before now, he was very good  for the u21s last year and was the stand out player in div 3 last season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 22, 2010, 09:04:59 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 22, 2010, 05:55:03 PM
Your a future Irish Lanaguage officer in the making.

English isn't you're strong point.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 23, 2010, 12:15:04 PM
The Down squad released for Celtic Park suggests that the two keepers could get a half each, while the next 14 named may be close to the starting outfield team. It is going to be another experimental line-up in any case, sending out a message that James will take a McKenna semi if it comes but is almost entirely focused on the NFL opener at Kildare.

Regardless of what happens tomorrow, James has been impressive so far. The players have kept to a game plan, particularly in defence, and James has kept everything low-key and measured in his role.

The Kildare match will give us a pretty clear idea of where we are, as they are among the favourites for promotion and will expect to make the last eight at least in the AI. If we can make an impact there, we will be up and running.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on January 23, 2010, 01:30:52 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 22, 2010, 09:04:59 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 22, 2010, 05:55:03 PM
Your a future Irish Lanaguage officer in the making.

English isn't you're strong point.  ;)

Should that not be your?  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 23, 2010, 02:28:48 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on January 23, 2010, 01:30:52 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 22, 2010, 09:04:59 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 22, 2010, 05:55:03 PM
Your a future Irish Lanaguage officer in the making.

English isn't you're strong point.  ;)

Should that not be your?  :P

I was extracting the urine.  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 23, 2010, 02:46:21 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 23, 2010, 12:15:04 PM
The Down squad released for Celtic Park suggests that the two keepers could get a half each, while the next 14 named may be close to the starting outfield team. It is going to be another experimental line-up in any case, sending out a message that James will take a McKenna semi if it comes but is almost entirely focused on the NFL opener at Kildare.

Hopefully James will go with McVeigh as his number one keeper for the league, but he has a great reserve keeper in Alder. McVeigh has come on in leaps and bounds over the last few years and has probably been Downs best player over the last two years. Depending on how the league goes Alder could get a run out towards the end of the campaign. I think James has a fair idea by now of his strongest team, with McKernan at full back and Colgan at centre half back for the game in Kildare.


Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 23, 2010, 12:15:04 PM
Regardless of what happens tomorrow, James has been impressive so far. The players have kept to a game plan, particularly in defence, and James has kept everything low-key and measured in his role.

Agreed James has impressed. He has been quite low key in the line, where people maybe expected him to be quite involved and animated. Maybe he has matured a bit, or maybe the rest of the management team have a calming effect on him, but he seems very assured at the minute. The defence have impressed, but lets not get carried away. Queens were poor, while Antrim didn't get going to the second half and had a dominant period where they scored 5 or 6 unanswered points. Hopefully we`ll see a stronger line up tomorrow in Celtic Park.

Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 23, 2010, 12:15:04 PM
The Kildare match will give us a pretty clear idea of where we are, as they are among the favourites for promotion and will expect to make the last eight at least in the AI. If we can make an impact there, we will be up and running.

Kildare is a massive game for us. Our biggest in years. We won on our last visit there when we went as underdogs, but Kildare have improved a lot since then. McGeeney will have them up for this. But a win isn't beyond us at this stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 23, 2010, 03:09:29 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 23, 2010, 02:46:21 PM
Hopefully James will go with McVeigh as his number one keeper for the league, but he has a great reserve keeper in Alder. McVeigh has come on in leaps and bounds over the last few years and has probably been Downs best player over the last two years. Depending on how the league goes Alder could get a run out towards the end of the campaign.

I am afraid that I have to disagree with this.  Although Brendan McVeigh has indeed improved, it has not been by the "leaps and bounds" that you assert.  Like yourself, I have been to all of the games in recent years and I have observed his lack of good communication with the players in front of him which often led either directly or indirectly to conceding a goal.  He has been the goalkeeper during a period of arguably the biggest number of goals conceded for any Down team.  Unfortunately the stats do not lie  :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 23, 2010, 03:22:32 PM
Quote from: western exile on January 23, 2010, 03:09:29 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 23, 2010, 02:46:21 PM
Hopefully James will go with McVeigh as his number one keeper for the league, but he has a great reserve keeper in Alder. McVeigh has come on in leaps and bounds over the last few years and has probably been Downs best player over the last two years. Depending on how the league goes Alder could get a run out towards the end of the campaign.

I am afraid that I have to disagree with this.  Although Brendan McVeigh has indeed improved, it has not been by the "leaps and bounds" that you assert.  Like yourself, I have been to all of the games in recent years and I have observed his lack of good communication with the players in front of him which often led either directly or indirectly to conceding a goal.  He has been the goalkeeper during a period of arguably the biggest number of goals conceded for any Down team.  Unfortunately the stats do not lie  :'(

They may not lie but they don't exactly tell the whole truth either.  It is impossible to judge a keeper exclusively on how many goals he concedes,  the role of the defence would be huge in these stats.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 23, 2010, 03:26:20 PM
I was critical of McVeigh at one stage, very critical in fact. But he has improved a lot over the last two years. Lets be honest he hasnt exactly got the best defence in the country playing in front of him and at times has been left literally as the last line of defence. I will have to disagree with you on his communication. He never shuts up during a game.
You could also say that he has been the goalkeeper during the period of arguably the least goals scored by any Down team, hardly his fault. While he is no Mickey McVeigh, he is still the best we have, but we have finally got the right number two keeper in Down in Alder, the man who I think (hope) will be around for a long time and will take over as our number 1 in the not too distant future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 23, 2010, 04:19:36 PM
under 21 friendly result from today

Down 0-14 Fermanagh 2-8.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 24, 2010, 10:00:21 AM
Good luck to wee James and Down today,Derry will pose a tough examination-but sof ar so good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 24, 2010, 06:45:29 PM
Good result in the freezing cold.
Thought Ambrose, Aidan Carr and Mc Comiskey were the pick, good to win without Benny .Alder was yella for their goal- no use in a keeper.
Another good result was kildare getting 3 straight reds, includimg John Doyle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 24, 2010, 06:46:16 PM
Is that Doyle out for our visit to Newbridge?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 24, 2010, 06:47:16 PM
If it's 4 weeks for a straight red, it is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 24, 2010, 06:51:02 PM
has the venue for wednesday nights game with donegal been decided yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 24, 2010, 06:51:23 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on January 24, 2010, 06:45:29 PM
Good result in the freezing cold.
Thought Ambrose, Aidan Carr and Mc Comiskey were the pick, good to win without Benny .Alder was yella for their goal- no use in a keeper.

Saw the goals on youtube. He definitely should have cleared it, but the Derry keeper should also have done better after saving Clarkes penalty. http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 24, 2010, 06:55:10 PM
I saw the clips as well TH. Both keepers should have done better alright, Alder in particular was disappointing, its not like him, he is usually pretty steady. Id still give him the benefit of the doubt, though but i think Mcveigh is first cchoice regardless.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on January 24, 2010, 07:56:44 PM
How did Kilcoo Minors do today v Omagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on January 24, 2010, 08:08:32 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on January 24, 2010, 07:56:44 PM
How did Kilcoo Minors do today v Omagh?

Beat by a point after extra time.


Both teams looked very rusty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 24, 2010, 09:40:31 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on January 24, 2010, 08:08:32 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on January 24, 2010, 07:56:44 PM
How did Kilcoo Minors do today v Omagh?

Beat by a point after extra time.


Both teams looked very rusty.

I disagree. You have to realise this was 16-18 year old lads playing on a very heavy pitch in winter conditions. To say they where rusty is wrong as they have been training and playing since February 2009. Yeah fatigue did set in with a number off players but that has to be expected this time off the year on heavy ground especially on young fellas not fully developed. This was a tight entertaining final off hard physical stuff and it is a credit to both teams for giving so much especially in extra time. Our lads where unlucky, they gave a great account off themselves and too many wides in the first half made us pay dearly. They can hold their heads high. 9 off the first 15 are still underage for the incoming year so this was a young Kilcoo team who will have benefited from their great run. The difference today was two great young Omagh players in Conan Grugan and Ronan ONeill. Grugan in particular is a supreme talent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on January 24, 2010, 09:54:00 PM
Quote from: down desperado on January 24, 2010, 06:51:02 PM
has the venue for wednesday nights game with donegal been decided yet.

I've heard its in Omagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 24, 2010, 11:30:49 PM
Quote from: down desperado on January 24, 2010, 06:55:10 PM
I saw the clips as well TH. Both keepers should have done better alright, Alder in particular was disappointing, its not like him, he is usually pretty steady. Id still give him the benefit of the doubt, though but i think Mcveigh is first cchoice regardless.

Looks like he was at fault for 2 of Derrys points as well. 1 were the ball bounced over the bar, which he should have claimed and the other were he kicked the ball straight to a Derry forward. http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA#p/a/u/1/DoB7VLhUrLg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 25, 2010, 05:53:09 AM
Down team v Derry.
D. Alder
D. McCartan
C. Garvey
D. Rafferty
K. Duffin
K. McKernan
A Carr (0-01 free)
C. King (0-01)
A. Rodgers
R. Murtagh (0-03)
M. Poland (0-02)
P. Fitzpatrick
J. Clarke (0-02 1 free)
M. McGee
C McGinn (0-01)

Subs P. McComiskey (0-03 1 free) for M. McGee (20), M. Clarke (1-02 1 free 1 "45") for R. Murtagh (HT), C. Laverty for C. McGinn (53), P. Greenan for C. King (54) and S. Parr for A. Carr (70)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 25, 2010, 11:01:46 AM
Haven't been to any games so far this year but looking at the score lines it seems that Down are prepared to kick their points and not be overly concerned with goals . Is this the case ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on January 25, 2010, 02:01:54 PM
To even compare Alder & McVeigh is stupid!
McVeigh has proven his pedigree as a county goalkeeper over a number of years whereas Alder is a rookie.
My opinion is McVeigh has better distribution qualities than Alder as highlighted in the Derry game.
McVeigh ahs also played behind possibly one of the worst defences in Ireland over the past 5 or 6 years so to go on the basis of stats is idiotic.
Alder is a big lump of a fella & a right keeper but in my view McVeigh is hands down the better man for Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on January 25, 2010, 02:52:49 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 24, 2010, 11:30:49 PM
Quote from: down desperado on January 24, 2010, 06:55:10 PM
I saw the clips as well TH. Both keepers should have done better alright, Alder in particular was disappointing, its not like him, he is usually pretty steady. Id still give him the benefit of the doubt, though but i think Mcveigh is first cchoice regardless.

Looks like he was at fault for 2 of Derrys points as well. 1 were the ball bounced over the bar, which he should have claimed and the other were he kicked the ball straight to a Derry forward. http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA#p/a/u/1/DoB7VLhUrLg

In fairness to the keeper, I don't think he was expecting the ball to go over the heads of the two players in front of him for the 1st point shown but the 2nd one was an unbelievable c**k up on the keepers part, if your placing a kick down the middle (a dodgy game to play imo) you've got to be sure to find a player on your own team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 25, 2010, 06:49:35 PM
I think everyone agrees that mcveigh should be first choice, i wouldnt say alder is a rookie though he must be 25 at least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fairplay on January 25, 2010, 07:07:53 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 25, 2010, 05:53:09 AM
Down team v Derry.
D. Alder
D. McCartan
C. Garvey
D. Rafferty
K. Duffin
K. McKernan
A Carr (0-01 free)
C. King (0-01)
A. Rodgers
R. Murtagh (0-03)
M. Poland (0-02)
P. Fitzpatrick
J. Clarke (0-02 1 free)
M. McGee
C McGinn (0-01)

Subs P. McComiskey (0-03 1 free) for M. McGee (20), M. Clarke (1-02 1 free 1 "45") for R. Murtagh (HT), C. Laverty for C. McGinn (53), P. Greenan for C. King (54) and S. Parr for A. Carr (70)

   How did the defence do yesterday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on January 25, 2010, 08:01:24 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 24, 2010, 09:40:31 PM
I disagree. You have to realise this was 16-18 year old lads playing on a very heavy pitch in winter conditions. To say they where rusty is wrong as they have been training and playing since February 2009.

I can't speak for Omagh, but I know big T has only had our fellas training once a week for all of December...

... and how many games in that time? As far as I was aware, there have been none outside of the tournament itself.


(They may have done more in Jan, I'm not about the parish much these days so can't be definite on it since talking to a few of them over the xmas hols - but I'm sure if you ask them they'll say themselves they were rusty)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 25, 2010, 08:14:59 PM
I see St Johns have entered ACPRFL Division 2. Are they entering a Thirds team into East Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 25, 2010, 10:10:58 PM
They must be otherwise I can't see the point. 

If they can't get out of the EDRFL on merit then they are in for some serious tankings in the ACPRL. 

I speak from experience   :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 26, 2010, 09:31:32 AM
Since when was Enniskillen half way between Down and Donegal >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on January 26, 2010, 09:40:55 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on January 26, 2010, 09:31:32 AM
Since when was Enniskillen half way between Down and Donegal >:(

And how come Tyrone have home advantage for their semi-final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 26, 2010, 01:31:48 PM
Just having a look at Division II this year.

Saval, Warrenpoint, Loughinisland, Ballyholland, Atticall, Annaclone all have recent Division I experience.

Downpatrick and Shamrocks have huge picks and are capable of beating anyone.

Ballymartin, Clann na Banna and Kilclief have been top-half Division II teams for the past few seasons, and nobody enjoys visiting any of them.

Tullylish you would have to think are up against it.


It's going to be very close, 30 points might take top spot and 24 points could be in the relegation play-offs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 26, 2010, 01:37:45 PM
Round One
Clann na Banna      v      Annaclone   
Tullylish      v      Atticall   
Kilclief      v      Downpatrick   
Warrenpoint      v      Ballymartin   
Ballyholland      v      Saval   
Loughinisland      v      Shamrocks   

Round  Two
Annaclone      v      Tullylish   
Atticall      v      Clann na Banna   
Downpatrick      v      Warrenpoint   
Ballymartin      v      Kilclief   
Saval      v      Loughinisland   
Shamrocks      v      Ballyholland   

Round Three         
Clann na Banna      v      Downpatrick   
Tullylish      v      Ballymartin   
Warrenpoint      v      Shamrocks   
Kilclief      v      Saval   
Ballyholland      v      Annaclone   
Loughinisland      v      Atticall   

Round Four
Annaclone      v      Kilclief   
Atticall      v      Warrenpoint   
Downpatrick      v      Ballyholland   
Ballymartin      v      Loughinisland   
Saval      v      Clann na Banna   
Shamrocks      v      Tullylish   

         
Round Five
Loughinisland      v      Downpatrick   
Clann na Banna      v      Ballymartin   
Tullylish      v      Saval   
Kilclief      v      Shamrocks   
Warrenpoint      v      Annaclone   
Ballyholland      v      Atticall   


Round Six
Annaclone      v      Loughinisland   
Atticall      v      Kilclief   
Downpatrick      v      Tullylish   
Ballymartin      v      Ballyholland   
Saval      v      Warrenpoint   
Shamrocks      v      Clann na Banna   





Round   Seven
Ballyholland      v      Warrenpoint   
Kilclief      v      Tullylish   
Clann na Banna      v      Loughinisland   
Saval      v      Ballymartin   
Downpatrick      v      Atticall   
Annaclone      v      Shamrocks   


Round   Eight
Tullylish      v      Ballyholland   
Shamrocks      v      Downpatrick   
Atticall      v      Saval   
Warrenpoint      v      Clann na Banna   
Loughinisland      v      Kilclief   
Ballymartin      v      Annaclone   


Round   Nine
Clann na Banna      v      Tullylish   
Ballyholland      v      Kilclief   
Warrenpoint      v      Loughinisland   
Annaclone      v      Atticall   
Downpatrick      v      Saval   
Ballymartin      v      Shamrocks   

Round Ten
Kilclief      v      Clann na Banna   
Ballyholland      v      Loughinisland   
Tullylish      v      Warrenpoint   
Downpatrick      v      Annaclone   
Atticall      v      Ballymartin   
Saval      v      Shamrocks   


Round Eleven
Loughinisland      v      Tullylish   
Clann na Banna      v      Ballyholland   
Warrenpoint      v      Kilclief   
Shamrocks      v      Atticall   
Annaclone      v      Saval   
Ballymartin      v      Downpatrick   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 26, 2010, 01:56:05 PM
div 2 will be tight this year and so will div 3 with only one team getting promoted. Glassdrumman, carryduff, darragh cross, saul, drumgath, bredagh, ardglass and glenn will all be looking to reach a playoff spot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 26, 2010, 02:05:03 PM
will div 2 & 3  begin a month before div 1 to allow for the 4 extra league fixtures this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 26, 2010, 03:27:03 PM
Division 3

Round One

Glenn   v   Bredagh   
Dundrum   v   St Johns   
Drumgath   v   Glasdrumman   
Drumaness   v   Carryduff   
Ardglass   v   St John Bosco   
Saul   v   Daragh Cross   



Round  Two

Bredagh   v   Dundrum   
St Johns   v   Glenn   
Glasdrumman   v   Drumaness   
Carryduff   v   Drumgath   
St John Bosco   v   Saul   
Daragh Cross   v   Ardglass   



Round Three   

Glenn   v   Glasdrumman   
Dundrum   v   Carryduff   
Drumaness   v   Daragh Cross   
Drumgath   v   St John Bosco   
Ardglass   v   Bredagh   
Saul   v   St Johns   



Round Four

Bredagh   v   Drumgath   
St Johns   v   Drumaness   
Glasdrumman   v   Ardglass   
Carryduff   v   Saul   
St John Bosco   v   Glenn   
Daragh Cross   v   Dundrum   




Round Five

Saul   v   Glasdrumman   
Glenn   v   Carryduff   
Dundrum   v   St John Bosco   
Drumgath   v   Daragh Cross   
Drumaness   v   Bredagh   
Ardglass   v   St Johns   




Round Six

Bredagh   v   Saul   
St Johns   v   Drumgath   
Glasdrumman   v   Dundrum   
Carryduff   v   Ardglass   
St John Bosco   v   Drumaness   
Daragh Cross   v   Glenn   







Round Seven

Ardglass   v   Drumaness   
Drumgath   v   Dundrum   
Glenn   v   Saul   
St John Bosco   v   Carryduff   
Glasdrumman   v   St Johns   
Bredagh   v   Daragh Cross   




Round Eight

Dundrum   v   Ardglass   
Daragh Cross   v   Glasdrumman   
St Johns   v   St John Bosco   
Drumaness   v   Glenn   
Saul   v   Drumgath   
Carryduff   v   Bredagh   




Round Nine

Glenn   v   Dundrum   
Ardglass   v   Drumgath   
Drumaness   v   Saul   
Bredagh   v   St Johns   
Glasdrumman   v   St John Bosco   
Carryduff   v   Daragh Cross   



Round Ten

Drumgath   v   Glenn   
Ardglass   v   Saul   
Dundrum   v   Drumaness   
Glasdrumman   v   Bredagh   
St Johns   v   Carryduff   
St John Bosco   v   Daragh Cross   




Round Eleven

Saul   v   Dundrum   
Glenn   v   Ardglass   
Drumaness   v   Drumgath   
Daragh Cross   v   St Johns   
Bredagh   v   St John Bosco   
Carryduff   v   Glasdrumman
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 26, 2010, 03:42:21 PM
Just looking at div 3 fixtures for this year any team that wins their home games and picks up even 8 pts away from home could make the playoffs this year. I dont think there will be a huge difference in points between the last playoff spot for promotion and the 4th from bottom for the relegation playoff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 26, 2010, 04:25:58 PM
If win your home games and get 8 points away, and you'll finish in the promotion play-offs every year. 30 points is always enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 26, 2010, 05:52:51 PM
Any one able to post the division one league fixture schedule?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on January 26, 2010, 05:55:39 PM
can anyone post the Div 4 fixtures as well please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 26, 2010, 06:33:27 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on January 26, 2010, 05:55:39 PM
can anyone post the Div 4 fixtures as well please?

Rd.One


Mitchels   v   Ballykinlar   
Aughlisnafinn   v   St Pauls   
Bright   v   Aghaderg   
Teconnaught   v   Dromara   
St Micheals   v   Bye   




Rd.Two

St Pauls   v   St Micheals   
Aghaderg   v   Teconnaught   
Dromara   v   Bright   
Ballykinlar   v   Aughlisnafinn   
Mitchels   v   Bye   



Rd Three

Mitchels   v   Aughlisnafinn   
Bright   v   Ballykinlar   
Teconnaught   v   St Pauls   
St Micheals   v   Aghaderg   
Dromara   v   Bye   



Rd.Four

St Pauls   v   Dromara   
Ballykinlar   v   Teconnaught   
Aughlisnafinn   v   St Micheals   
Mitchels   v   Aghaderg   
Bright   v   Bye   



Rd. Five

Teconnaught   v   Mitchels   
Ballykinlar   v   St Pauls   
Aughlisnafinn   v   Dromara   
Bright   v   St Micheals   
Aghaderg   v   Bye   



Rd Six

Mitchels   v   Bright   
Teconnaught   v   Aughlisnafinn   
St Micheals   v   Ballykinlar   
Dromara   v   Aghaderg   
St Pauls   v   Bye   




Rd Seven

St Pauls   v   Bright   
Ballykinlar   v   Dromara   
Aghaderg   v   Aughlisnafinn   
St Micheals   v   Mitchels   
Teconnaught   v   Bye   










Rd Eight

Bright   v   Teconnaught   
Aghaderg   v   Ballykinlar   
Mitchels   v   St Pauls   
Dromara   v   St Micheals   
Aughlisnafinn   v   Bye   




Rd.Nine

Bright   v   Aughlisnafinn   
Teconnaught   v   St Micheals   
Dromara   v   Mitchels   
St Pauls   v   Aghaderg   
Ballykinlar   v   Bye   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 26, 2010, 07:37:07 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 26, 2010, 03:27:03 PM
Division 3

Round One




Round  Two

Bredagh   v   Dundrum   
St Johns   v   Glenn   
Glasdrumman   v   Drumaness   
Carryduff   v   Drumgath   
St John Bosco   v   Saul   
Daragh Cross   v   Ardglass   


see you soon DF   :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 26, 2010, 07:49:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 26, 2010, 04:25:58 PM
If win your home games and get 8 points away, and you'll finish in the promotion play-offs every year. 30 points is always enough.
I dont think 30 pts would have been enough last year in div 3 only top 3 made the playoffs, i cud be wrong though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on January 26, 2010, 08:39:50 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on January 26, 2010, 09:40:55 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on January 26, 2010, 09:31:32 AM
Since when was Enniskillen half way between Down and Donegal >:(

And how come Tyrone have home advantage for their semi-final?

Is say it's due to the lack of decent pitches at this time of year so it has to be a county ground!  Also If down v donegal had of been armagh, then the donegal 1s would have said that's not halfway, id imagine they tossed between armagh and enniskillen!  Im delighted its in enniskillen though, i live about 25mins from it ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 26, 2010, 10:05:02 PM
Down Under 20 Final Result

Burren 2-9 Downpatrick 1-9.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on January 26, 2010, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 26, 2010, 06:33:27 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on January 26, 2010, 05:55:39 PM
can anyone post the Div 4 fixtures as well please?

Rd.One


Mitchels   v   Ballykinlar   
Aughlisnafinn   v   St Pauls   
Bright   v   Aghaderg   
Teconnaught   v   Dromara   
St Micheals   v   Bye   




Rd.Two

St Pauls   v   St Micheals   
Aghaderg   v   Teconnaught   
Dromara   v   Bright   
Ballykinlar   v   Aughlisnafinn   
Mitchels   v   Bye   



Rd Three

Mitchels   v   Aughlisnafinn   
Bright   v   Ballykinlar   
Teconnaught   v   St Pauls   
St Micheals   v   Aghaderg   
Dromara   v   Bye   



Rd.Four

St Pauls   v   Dromara   
Ballykinlar   v   Teconnaught   
Aughlisnafinn   v   St Micheals   
Mitchels   v   Aghaderg   
Bright   v   Bye   



Rd. Five

Teconnaught   v   Mitchels   
Ballykinlar   v   St Pauls   
Aughlisnafinn   v   Dromara   
Bright   v   St Micheals   
Aghaderg   v   Bye   



Rd Six

Mitchels   v   Bright   
Teconnaught   v   Aughlisnafinn   
St Micheals   v   Ballykinlar   
Dromara   v   Aghaderg   
St Pauls   v   Bye   




Rd Seven

St Pauls   v   Bright   
Ballykinlar   v   Dromara   
Aghaderg   v   Aughlisnafinn   
St Micheals   v   Mitchels   
Teconnaught   v   Bye   










Rd Eight

Bright   v   Teconnaught   
Aghaderg   v   Ballykinlar   
Mitchels   v   St Pauls   
Dromara   v   St Micheals   
Aughlisnafinn   v   Bye   




Rd.Nine

Bright   v   Aughlisnafinn   
Teconnaught   v   St Micheals   
Dromara   v   Mitchels   
St Pauls   v   Aghaderg   
Ballykinlar   v   Bye

Thanks Down Fanatic, looking forward to playing against St.Pauls in our 1st game, hopefully they will find us a tougher proposition than the last time we met.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: randomtask on January 27, 2010, 04:33:26 PM
anyone know the down team for tonite???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on January 27, 2010, 08:10:54 PM
Dose anyone know any links for the Mc Kenna cup semii-final between Down and Donegal are everyone could keep me up to date that would be great
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 27, 2010, 08:19:56 PM
No link but ht score Down 1-05 D'gal 1-04 posted on the McKenna cup Thread
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on January 27, 2010, 08:25:17 PM
cheers any chance on knowing who scored
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 27, 2010, 08:39:22 PM
sorry, that was all that was posted so far
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on January 27, 2010, 08:41:19 PM
were did you get it from
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 27, 2010, 08:43:03 PM
It was posted on the McKenna Cup Thread in the GAA Discussion section
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 27, 2010, 08:43:22 PM
http://www.highlandradio.com/listen-live/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 27, 2010, 08:48:15 PM
Dundroma, Donegal are up by 3pts now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on January 27, 2010, 08:50:22 PM
cheers mate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 27, 2010, 08:52:34 PM
2pts now 1-12 to 1-10 but Down seem to be finishing stronger
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on January 27, 2010, 08:56:03 PM
didn't work
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 27, 2010, 09:00:57 PM
Beat by a pt D'gal won 1-13 to 1-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on January 27, 2010, 09:03:21 PM
cheers could tey have done better
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: uselessfootballer on January 27, 2010, 09:09:47 PM
I only picked up the last 15mins on that radio link, they were 1-12 to 1-06 down and came with a rattle but D'gal just held on. I've no idea on the balance of play up to then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 27, 2010, 10:13:11 PM
Perhaps someone will tell us about the performance, but the result may suit us. There was already too much talk about a Down revival before we had played a serious match. We did reasonably well in the group stage of the McKenna Cup, and we now have ten days to prepare for the game which really matters, in Kildare.

This was tonight's starting 15, according to Hogan Stand, and it was a long way from our strongest. McVeigh; Toner, Garvey, Cole; Parr, McCartan, Duffin; Fitzpatrick, King; Gordon, Poland, Murtagh; McComiskey, J Clarke, Sexton.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on January 27, 2010, 11:09:37 PM
With that team we could not be expecting to beat Donegal, how did Garvey play, does he look the answer at Full Back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 28, 2010, 05:52:11 AM
Down v Donegal.
B McVeigh, S Toner, C, Garvey, M Cole, S Parr, B McArdle, K Duffin, P Fitzpatrick, C King, D Gordon (0-1), M Poland, R Murtagh (0-1), P McComiskey (1-4), J Clarke (0-3), R Sexton.
Subs. D Hughes (0-1) for J Clarke (26 mins, blood sub), A Rogers for P Fitzpatrick (45 mins), S Kearney for S Toner (45 mins), M Clarke (0-2 1 f) for M Poland (46mins), B Coulter for Sexton (49mins)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OnTheLine on January 28, 2010, 08:02:44 AM
Can't believe the headline on the back of the Irish News today - "Don't believe the hype".. As far as I can tell the only people who've been hyping up Down's performances in the McKenna Cup have been the paper's journalists themselves. I don't think I've talked to anyone in the county who doesn't recognize that there's a lot of work ahead before we can talk about hype..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on January 28, 2010, 08:32:10 AM
McHugh was scathing about the Down defence , said McCartan and Co. had a lot of work to do , and that a lot of the players were not county standard and his metaphor to enhance his opinion was something about a fish supper . At least he has moved on from his handful of straw cracker .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 28, 2010, 11:54:28 AM
Quote from: downredblack on January 28, 2010, 08:32:10 AM
McHugh was scathing about the Down defence , said McCartan and Co. had a lot of work to do , and that a lot of the players were not county standard and his metaphor to enhance his opinion was something about a fish supper . At least he has moved on from his handful of straw cracker .

Was it 'they couldn't tackle a fish supper on a saturday night'?

Famously used by John Crossey on regular occasions and once on radio Ulster if i recollect.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 28, 2010, 01:31:39 PM
Quote from: OnTheLine on January 28, 2010, 08:02:44 AM
Can't believe the headline on the back of the Irish News today - "Don't believe the hype".. As far as I can tell the only people who've been hyping up Down's performances in the McKenna Cup have been the paper's journalists themselves. I don't think I've talked to anyone in the county who doesn't recognize that there's a lot of work ahead before we can talk about hype..

Absolute nonsense from the Irish News. Their journalists have little to do when they are creating hype for the McKenna Cup. Everyone in Down realises that we have a long way to go before we can think about winning anything of significance and even when we were winning there was never much hype. If you look at last nights line up you will see just how seriously wee James took the competition, he like every other manager used the McKenna Cup to get a look at the new faces in the squad. Downs season starts next Sunday in Newbridge, minus any hype.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 28, 2010, 01:36:41 PM
I'd agree Tevor Hill. It's hard to see any of that defence apart from Garvey lining out against Donegal in May. Some of them will play over the Championship but not as starters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 28, 2010, 01:44:22 PM
Does anyone have the Down scorers from the first game against Queens? I like to keep a record of all games even though I missed 2 games with the flu, but seem to have mislaid the program. The Irish News containing the match report was probably used to light the fire some time last week. If anyone has access to the IN online it would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on January 28, 2010, 03:01:41 PM
Garvey could play in any position and do a job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on January 28, 2010, 04:20:58 PM
Well McKenna Cup now done and dusted, looking towards Kildare, which could define a season. Win and we confirm that we are fav's to get promoted an also confirm last 8 potential.

Loose and belief may drop, 2 points dropped, and Kildare I'd expect to gain a lot from it.

Strongest team?
Tough to say.

I'd go for

1. B McVeigh
2 M Cole
3 K McKernan/C Garvey
4 D Rafferty
5 T Hannah
6 C Garvey/J Colgan
7 D Hughes
8 D Gordon
9 P Fitzpatrick
10 M Clarke
11 C Maginn
12 A Rodgers
13 J Clarke
14 B Coulter
15 P McComiskey

Not so sure about 3/6. Colgan impressed me, McKernan and Garvey have done the job.
Ambrose could go to midfield, Hughes to 12, and play Garvey Hannah and Colgan at half back. Replacing Fitzpatrick who may not stick the pace after after good games so far.
Not many new boys, but defence is more likely to change than attck before Dongal, a decent game from Parr or another may get them a championship spot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 28, 2010, 05:56:38 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on January 28, 2010, 11:54:28 AM
Quote from: downredblack on January 28, 2010, 08:32:10 AM
McHugh was scathing about the Down defence , said McCartan and Co. had a lot of work to do , and that a lot of the players were not county standard and his metaphor to enhance his opinion was something about a fish supper . At least he has moved on from his handful of straw cracker .

Was it 'they couldn't tackle a fish supper on a saturday night'?

Famously used by John Crossey on regular occasions and once on radio Ulster if i recollect.

Also remember Joe Brolly two years ago describing the Down defence as being "like ducks in thunder." In the term used by some of the posters on here of late it drew an "lol" from me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 28, 2010, 06:01:12 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 28, 2010, 01:44:22 PM
Does anyone have the Down scorers from the first game against Queens? I like to keep a record of all games even though I missed 2 games with the flu, but seem to have mislaid the program. The Irish News containing the match report was probably used to light the fire some time last week. If anyone has access to the IN online it would be greatly appreciated.

Martin Clarke 1-5
John Clarke 0-3
Benny Coulter 0-3
Paul McComiskey 0-3
Conor Garvey 0-1
Danny Hughes 0-1
James McGovern 0-1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 28, 2010, 06:31:19 PM
Mediocre display in Brewster Park last night. Down where good in first and last ten minutes but inbetween where poor. Benny McArdle and John Clarke where our best players overall with Stephen Kearney at full back, Hughes and Marty Clarke impressive coming off the bench. Sexton, Poland, Duffin and Cole where disapointing and the dury remains out on what these players have got to offer at county level.
Role on Kildare on Sunday week. Id like to see the following team start. 1. B McVeigh 2. C Garvey 3. K McKernan 4. D Rafferty 5. A Brannigan 6. J Colgan 7. B McArdle 8. D Gordon 9 A Rogers 10. A Carr 11. M Clarke 12. D Hughes 13. J Clarke/ R Murtagh 14. B Coulter 15. C Laverty/ P McComiskey. One off the latter two would be a great impact forward to bring on in last 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 28, 2010, 07:17:47 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 28, 2010, 06:31:19 PM
Mediocre display in Brewster Park last night. Down where good in first and last ten minutes but inbetween where poor. Benny McArdle and John Clarke where our best players overall with Stephen Kearney at full back, Hughes and Marty Clarke impressive coming off the bench. Sexton, Poland, Duffin and Cole where disapointing and the dury remains out on what these players have got to offer at county level.
Role on Kildare on Sunday week. Id like to see the following team start. 1. B McVeigh 2. C Garvey 3. K McKernan 4. D Rafferty 5. A Brannigan 6. J Colgan 7. B McArdle 8. D Gordon 9 A Rogers 10. A Carr 11. M Clarke 12. D Hughes 13. J Clarke/ R Murtagh 14. B Coulter 15. C Laverty/ P McComiskey. One off the latter two would be a great impact forward to bring on in last 20 minutes.

Lad, McComiskey would be in there instead of Lavery every time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 28, 2010, 08:18:37 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 28, 2010, 07:17:47 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 28, 2010, 06:31:19 PM
Mediocre display in Brewster Park last night. Down where good in first and last ten minutes but inbetween where poor. Benny McArdle and John Clarke where our best players overall with Stephen Kearney at full back, Hughes and Marty Clarke impressive coming off the bench. Sexton, Poland, Duffin and Cole where disapointing and the dury remains out on what these players have got to offer at county level.
Role on Kildare on Sunday week. Id like to see the following team start. 1. B McVeigh 2. C Garvey 3. K McKernan 4. D Rafferty 5. A Brannigan 6. J Colgan 7. B McArdle 8. D Gordon 9 A Rogers 10. A Carr 11. M Clarke 12. D Hughes 13. J Clarke/ R Murtagh 14. B Coulter 15. C Laverty/ P McComiskey. One off the latter two would be a great impact forward to bring on in last 20 minutes.



Lad, McComiskey would be in there instead of Lavery every time.

I guess its a matter off opinion and id have McComiskey on first 15 every time but as its been shown in past he is a wonderful impact sub to come on. Laverty on the other hand would bring trickery and invention late in a game with defences tired. For Kildare game McComiskey will start im sure and deservedly so and on recent displays Laverty will be close especially with so many of the forwards underperforming last night against a Tir Conall defence with Cassidy and Neil McGee the only regulars in action.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 28, 2010, 08:49:40 PM
If we cant find a couple of decent defenders or at least a good defensive coach, it will be another year of close but no Cigar, some of the defending against Derry and Donegal was absolutely woeful, and showed less awareness than you expect to find in an U16 squad. Having said that we are certainly playing a more adventerous and attractive brand of football up front, and their appears to be a higher level of committment and motivation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 28, 2010, 08:56:03 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 28, 2010, 08:49:40 PM
If we cant find a couple of decent defenders or at least a good defensive coach, it will be another year of close but no Cigar, some of the defending against Derry and Donegal was absolutely woeful, and showed less awareness than you expect to find in an U16 squad. Having said that we are certainly playing a more adventerous and attractive brand of football up front, and their appears to be a higher level of committment and motivation

Couldnt agree more. Defence remains a big worry and when you see the management trying to convert Stephen Kearney into a full back it highlights the problems here. In my view Colgan and McArdle have gave the management more options in the half back line but our last line off defence remains a major concern. Last night Cole was roasted by a fringe player while Garvey struggled with McFaddan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 28, 2010, 09:50:45 PM
i cudnt make the game last night but i havent been that impressed with Garvey either. He took a good score against queens but he gives a lot of frees away and seems a bit slow or deliberate on the ball. I  get the impression he is concentrating on making a bone crushing tackle all the time rather than simply defending, maybe playing to the crowd maybe inexperience.

my starting 15 for kildare would be
mcveigh

rafferty
mckernan
duffin/cole

murphy
colgan
hanna

gordon
rodgers

carr
martin clark
fitzpatrick

hughes
coulter
john clarke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 28, 2010, 09:55:33 PM
Surely John Clarke deserves a place in the starting 15, for his performances for An Riocht last season alone.  He needs a run in the team and Wee James to let him know that he is now a starter and the place is his to lose!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 28, 2010, 10:37:13 PM
This management game isnt as easy as you would think. I would find it very difficult to pick a starting fifteen at the minute. Definite starters would be McVeigh in goals. McKernan at full back and Colgan at half back. D Raff in the corner, Any of Joe Ireland, Peter Fitzpatrick, Ambrose and Dan in the middle, with Martin Clarke, Coulter, McComiskey and John Clarke definites in the forward line. Maybe take Coulter out to the half forward line.

1. McVeigh
2. Rafferty
3. McKernan
4. Garvey
5.
6. Colgan
7.
8. Ireland/Fitzpatrick
9. Dan/Ambrose
10. M. Clarke
11. Coulter
12.
13. J. Clarke
14.
15. McComiskey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 28, 2010, 10:38:34 PM
Down scorers in the McKenna Cup.

M. Clarke (2-13)
P.McComiskey (1-12)
J. Clarke (0-08)
B. Coulter (0-06)
D. Hughes (0-04)
C. Laverty (0-04)
R. Murtagh (0-04)
P. Fitzpatrick (0-03)
J. McGovern  (0-02)
M. Poland (0-02)
C. Garvey (0-01)
A. Carr (0-01)
C. King (0-01)
C. McGinn (0-01)
D. Gordon (0-01
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 28, 2010, 10:40:35 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 28, 2010, 10:37:13 PM
This management game isnt as easy as you would think. I would find it very difficult to pick a starting fifteen at the minute. Definite starters would be McVeigh in goals. McKernan at full back and Colgan at half back. D Raff in the corner, Any of Joe Ireland, Peter Fitzpatrick, Ambrose and Dan in the middle, with Martin Clarke, Coulter, McComiskey and John Clarke definites in the forward line. Maybe take Coulter out to the half forward line.

1. McVeigh
2. Rafferty
3. McKernan
4. Garvey
5.
6. Colgan
7.
8. Ireland/Fitzpatrick
9. Dan/Ambrose
10. M. Clarke
11. Coulter
12.
13. J. Clarke
14.
15. McComiskey

I think Danny Hughes is also a certain starter along with Aidan Carr.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 28, 2010, 10:43:18 PM
I have to put Conor Garvey in as well, just to keep the peace at home. The wife loves him, in her own words "I love that Conor Garvey, he`s a dirty bas**rd"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 28, 2010, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 28, 2010, 10:43:18 PM
I have to put Conor Garvey in as well, just to keep the peace at home. The wife loves him, in her own words "I love that Conor Garvey, he`s a dirty bas**rd"

Down need no noncence defenders that are in opponents faces. Aidan Brannigan will hopefully be back from injury soon and is another defender who will primarlly defend and leave attacking to the forwards. We have had too many nice players in defence in recent seasons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 28, 2010, 11:03:35 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on January 28, 2010, 10:43:18 PM
I have to put Conor Garvey in as well, just to keep the peace at home. The wife loves him, in her own words "I love that Conor Garvey, he`s a dirty bas**rd"

Just as well I ain't a smart arse Trevor Hill or I would have a comment or two for ya on that point  :).

Full back line seems to attract the most attention. Very surprised to see Stephen Kearney in there, I know Arsene Wenger has the attitude show me an athlete and I'll make you a footballer. Though full back is a very specialised position and I think Kevin Mc Kernan would be the most natural fullback at Down's disposal. Did he line out there the year Abbey won the Hogan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on January 29, 2010, 02:50:05 PM
If Im not mistaken, McKernan, throughout that Macrory/Hogan cup campaign, played at 6, 9, and 11 in various games, then started at 3 for the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on January 29, 2010, 06:46:15 PM
No one else think Hughes did a great job at half back? New dimension, although He didnt have much defending to do
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on January 29, 2010, 08:43:32 PM
Managers love doing that in Down. Taking corner-forwards and playin them at half back.. James McGovern, Aidan Carr, Rony Murtagh, Rony Sexton, now Danny Hughes..You wouldnt see Kerry playing Colm Cooper at number 5! Surely you would put players that are capable of scoring, closer to the goal. Maybe thats just me..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on January 29, 2010, 08:48:08 PM
I won 2 tickets to the mc kenna cup final but as down are not in it i am not going if anyone wants them senad me a message
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 30, 2010, 05:19:04 PM
any news of a senior challenge tomorrow?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 30, 2010, 06:05:17 PM
Quote from: 13aside on January 30, 2010, 05:19:04 PM
any news of a senior challenge tomorrow?

Next challange is against St. Galls at Newry on Wednesday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 30, 2010, 06:31:06 PM
cheers mid-down, heard st.colmans are playing their quarter-final mccrory cup game in newry on friday night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 31, 2010, 08:25:51 AM
watched the McKenna cup final on TGCathair,well done to Donegal who kept plugging away despite a lot of wides,too many frees,some for the minimum of contact.Yellow cards produced for very little,hope this kind of authority is not carried to the championship.Shocking injury to Stephen O'Neill, i thought initially that a Donegal player was involved but the slomo showed that one of his own players (Hughes) legs made contact and it looked very nasty.News reports say that he could be out for three months,despite the fierce rivallry between teams at all levels in our sport no-one wishes such damage however arrived at-I wish him well. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on January 31, 2010, 12:20:47 PM
Does anyone know the starting date for the EDRFL this year, and what teams will be in which sections? I know Aughlisnafin + Dromara are both entering teams this season so there may need to be a slight re-jigging of the sections?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 31, 2010, 12:39:29 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on January 31, 2010, 12:20:47 PM
Does anyone know the starting date for the EDRFL this year, and what teams will be in which sections? I know Aughlisnafin + Dromara are both entering teams this season so there may need to be a slight re-jigging of the sections?

East Down board meeting tomorrow night... As far as I know discussions around leagues will be then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 31, 2010, 03:28:55 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on January 31, 2010, 12:20:47 PM
Does anyone know the starting date for the EDRFL this year, and what teams will be in which sections? I know Aughlisnafin + Dromara are both entering teams this season so there may need to be a slight re-jigging of the sections?

Its been a long time since Dromara have entered the EDRFL. Fair play to them.

Last year the EDB split the League into two sections based on geography and id say they will probably do the same again this year.

I wouldnt mind seeing the return of the Shield competition for the teams that finish up in the bottom half of each section as it gives them something to aim for.

Its disappointing to see that Kilcoo III's havent taken up the opportunity to go the ACPRFL Division 2. Probably to do with the fact that they need half their 2nds players for Thirds games on Sunday evenings  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 31, 2010, 03:32:48 PM
2010 Managers

Division 1

Mayobridge - Eamon McEnaney
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Clonduff - Paul Lambe
Burren - Frank Dawson
Longstone - Jody Gormley
Castlewellan - Liam Hardy?
An Riocht - Stephen Poucher
Liatroim - Jarlath Austin?
Rostrevor - John Rafferty


Division 2

Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Annaclone - Tom Potter
Tullylish - Keith Farrell
Shamrocks - ?
Clann na Banna - Tony Wilson
Saval - Declan Morgan
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Ballymartin - Johnny McComiskey
Attical - Raymond Tumilty
Warrenpoint - Kevin Franklin/Glenn Elmore
Kilclief - John Kane
Loughinisland - Paul McShane


Division 3

Drumgath - Mickey Linden
Bosco - Paddy McEvoy?
Drumaness - Bill Geoghegan
Dundrum - Paul Shields
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty Snr/Donard King/Seamus Braniff
Glasdrumman - Benny Corrigan
Carryduff - Andy Moohan
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Saul - Paul Evans
Glenn - John Kennedy/Tony Bagnall
Ardglass - Edward Magee, Brian Healy, Ryan Kelly
Bredagh - Kevin Blaney


Division 4

Mitchels - Harry Cooney/Nigel Allen
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
St Michaels - Robert Wilson
Bright -  ?
Ballykinlar - Skin Hanna/DJ Morgan
Dromara - ?
Aughlisnafin - Philly McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Aghaderg - ?
St Pauls - ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 31, 2010, 04:11:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 31, 2010, 03:28:55 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on January 31, 2010, 12:20:47 PM
Does anyone know the starting date for the EDRFL this year, and what teams will be in which sections? I know Aughlisnafin + Dromara are both entering teams this season so there may need to be a slight re-jigging of the sections?

Its been a long time since Dromara have entered the EDRFL. Fair play to them.

Last year the EDB split the League into two sections based on geography and id say they will probably do the same again this year.

I wouldnt mind seeing the return of the Shield competition for the teams that finish up in the bottom half of each section as it gives them something to aim for.

Its disappointing to see that Kilcoo III's havent taken up the opportunity to go the ACPRFL Division 2. Probably to do with the fact that they need half their 2nds players for Thirds games on Sunday evenings  ::)

Kilcoo thirds where entered into premier reserve league but a vote off 26 thirds players decided it would be more beneficial to play in East Down as we would have greater chance off winning. Not that we need our seconds to beat 99 % off the teams in East Down. Very cheap dig about needing seconds for a sunday evening in a club that cleaned up in 2009.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on January 31, 2010, 06:56:31 PM
edward "tit" magee {micks da}, brian healy and ryan kelly are looking after ardglass this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 31, 2010, 07:25:34 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 31, 2010, 04:11:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 31, 2010, 03:28:55 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on January 31, 2010, 12:20:47 PM
Does anyone know the starting date for the EDRFL this year, and what teams will be in which sections? I know Aughlisnafin + Dromara are both entering teams this season so there may need to be a slight re-jigging of the sections?

Its been a long time since Dromara have entered the EDRFL. Fair play to them.

Last year the EDB split the League into two sections based on geography and id say they will probably do the same again this year.

I wouldnt mind seeing the return of the Shield competition for the teams that finish up in the bottom half of each section as it gives them something to aim for.

Its disappointing to see that Kilcoo III's havent taken up the opportunity to go the ACPRFL Division 2. Probably to do with the fact that they need half their 2nds players for Thirds games on Sunday evenings  ::)

Kilcoo thirds where entered into premier reserve league but a vote off 26 thirds players decided it would be more beneficial to play in East Down as we would have greater chance off winning. Not that we need our seconds to beat 99 % off the teams in East Down. Very cheap dig about needing seconds for a sunday evening in a club that cleaned up in 2009.

Would they not be better going on and trying to better themselves when there is a chance for a higher standard of football as opposed to winning the same competition as last year? Though I suppose what they do with themselves is their prerogative.
Very ambitious of St. Johns to be entering a seconds team in ACPRL and a thirds as well. Must have big numbers coming through.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 31, 2010, 07:35:45 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 31, 2010, 07:25:34 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 31, 2010, 04:11:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 31, 2010, 03:28:55 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on January 31, 2010, 12:20:47 PM
Does anyone know the starting date for the EDRFL this year, and what teams will be in which sections? I know Aughlisnafin + Dromara are both entering teams this season so there may need to be a slight re-jigging of the sections?

Its been a long time since Dromara have entered the EDRFL. Fair play to them.

Last year the EDB split the League into two sections based on geography and id say they will probably do the same again this year.

I wouldnt mind seeing the return of the Shield competition for the teams that finish up in the bottom half of each section as it gives them something to aim for.

Its disappointing to see that Kilcoo III's havent taken up the opportunity to go the ACPRFL Division 2. Probably to do with the fact that they need half their 2nds players for Thirds games on Sunday evenings  ::)

Kilcoo thirds where entered into premier reserve league but a vote off 26 thirds players decided it would be more beneficial to play in East Down as we would have greater chance off winning. Not that we need our seconds to beat 99 % off the teams in East Down. Very cheap dig about needing seconds for a sunday evening in a club that cleaned up in 2009.

Would they not be better going on and trying to better themselves when there is a chance for a higher standard of football as opposed to winning the same competition as last year? Though I suppose what they do with themselves is their prerogative.
Very ambitious of St. Johns to be entering a seconds team in ACPRL and a thirds as well. Must have big numbers coming through.

If it was my choice id prefer ACPRL Div 2 where i believe the thirds could do rightly and bring younger minor players on up against better opposition. The club could field two teams no problem at same time but the players are happier trying to compete in East Down and at the end off the day thirds players are just out for a game off football on a Sunday evening. The ACPRL would require greater committment with regards Saturday nights and extra training which would be hard to get from thirds players.I believe Kilcoo could hold their own in this division but the committee went with the majority vote from the players and this is the reason they remain in East Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 31, 2010, 07:42:51 PM
Fair point.
DD is your man Lennon still with the Ardglass management?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 31, 2010, 07:53:21 PM
Ulster under 21 championship Quarter final

Creggan 1-04 Burren 3-07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on January 31, 2010, 11:20:46 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 31, 2010, 03:28:55 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on January 31, 2010, 12:20:47 PM
Does anyone know the starting date for the EDRFL this year, and what teams will be in which sections? I know Aughlisnafin + Dromara are both entering teams this season so there may need to be a slight re-jigging of the sections?

Its been a long time since Dromara have entered the EDRFL. Fair play to them.

Last year the EDB split the League into two sections based on geography and id say they will probably do the same again this year.

I wouldnt mind seeing the return of the Shield competition for the teams that finish up in the bottom half of each section as it gives them something to aim for.

Its disappointing to see that Kilcoo III's havent taken up the opportunity to go the ACPRFL Division 2. Probably to do with the fact that they need half their 2nds players for Thirds games on Sunday evenings  ::)

Yeah i was hoping the Fin + Dromara would both be put into the same section so we could continue the great rivalry we have in the seniors into the reserves! Was thinking both teams may be put into the Castlewellan area section with Teconnaught + possibly Drumaness moving to the other section which would probably make sense geographically. Have to applaud St.Johns on entering a 3rds team, a great achievement for a club whose senior team were playing in Div 4 two years ago. Looking forward to renewing rivalries with them also! Would definitely agree with u about the Shield DF.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on February 01, 2010, 01:02:07 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 31, 2010, 07:42:51 PM
Fair point.
DD is your man Lennon still with the Ardglass management?
I was talking to Paul Lennon over christmas and i think he is involved with a monaghan team this year, he is married to a girl from there. A very good trainer by the way, Brian Healy i think is taking his role this year and is also very good  and played with the team 2 or 3 years ago when peter oshea was manager.
Division 3 is going to be very tough this year and i think Ardglass's good record at home will stand them in good stead but we are very poor away from home. I actually cannot remember winning a senior game in Dundrum ever, bit of a bogey ground for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 01, 2010, 12:44:46 PM
You mustn't be that old DD, or maybe the opposite and the memory is going?  ;) Ardglass beat Dundrum in 2004 at our place. Between yourselves and ourselves being in 4 at different stages and with us being in 2 also think we have prob met about 5 times in the noughties with it standing 3-2 to to us, though I may b wrong here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on February 01, 2010, 07:54:08 PM
its the memory unfortunately dundrumite, its must be 10 years since we were in div4, but we usually struggle in Dundrum for some reason. However we give you a good thumping in the championship. Who do you think will claim the 3 play off spots this season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 01, 2010, 11:19:47 PM
Quote from: down desperado on February 01, 2010, 07:54:08 PM
its the memory unfortunately dundrumite, its must be 10 years since we were in div4, but we usually struggle in Dundrum for some reason. However we give you a good thumping in the championship. Who do you think will claim the 3 play off spots this season?

Very early yet, so hard to predict... I would have say Glassdrumman and Darragh Cross who continually give a good account of themselves in Division 2, based upon this they would be my favourites. After that you could be looking at any one of five or six teams. One thing for sure is it will be a very competitive. I reckon there won't be too many points between the team in third and third bottom.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on February 02, 2010, 07:13:06 PM
i would have to agree with glassdrumman and darragh as favourites. Though darragh are an ageing team, the same players still seem to be on the go for the past 10 years. Its very difficult to predict the top 3 in div 3 this year and a relatively low points tally could yield a playoff spot. Bredagh and carryduff havent been very impressive in recent years, carryduff were very lucky to get promoted 2 years ago, but they seem to recruit a few new decent players each every year. I suppose we will know more after 5 or 6 games. Havent said that, division 2 looks extremely competitive this year too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on February 03, 2010, 05:05:35 PM
does anyone know if Down are playing a friendly in Newry tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on February 03, 2010, 05:25:09 PM
its ok people ,Down v St Galls at 7.30
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 03, 2010, 08:19:32 PM
I see two Armagh clubmen have made the next stage of the Down Minor trials. I take it that this type of practice is allowed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on February 03, 2010, 10:06:41 PM
any word on how down got on this evening, when is wee james expected to announce his panel for the national league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 04, 2010, 09:05:06 AM
Down won easy enough in the end (scoreboard wasnt in use), but scoreline didnt really matter, moreso the performance of players did..Teams played 3x25 min matches. Down fielded 2 completely different teams in first two matches, third match saw a mixture of the two. Everyone got a run out, few fellas were absent altogether through injury (i assume).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 04, 2010, 09:37:57 AM
QuoteI see two Armagh clubmen have made the next stage of the Down Minor trials. I take it that this type of practice is allowed?

On intercounty transfers these days the player has to specify if they wish to be eligible for their new county or the previous one. I presume players can do likewise at any age then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 04, 2010, 01:26:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 04, 2010, 09:37:57 AM
QuoteI see two Armagh clubmen have made the next stage of the Down Minor trials. I take it that this type of practice is allowed?

On intercounty transfers these days the player has to specify if they wish to be eligible for their new county or the previous one. I presume players can do likewise at any age then.

Must be the case then. I remember Kyle Brennan of the Bosco played Minor and U-21 football for Armagh. Actually think he is at Crossmaglen now.

Also, Kevin Anderson used to play for O'Hanlons while also being on the Down Development squads before he went to Aghaderg.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on February 04, 2010, 09:34:59 PM
Does McCartan have to trim the squad before the start of the nfl and if so, when is he expected to name his revised squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2010, 09:41:26 PM
Quote from: down desperado on February 04, 2010, 09:34:59 PM
Does McCartan have to trim the squad before the start of the nfl and if so, when is he expected to name his revised squad.

Due to having a large number off panelists injured at present the squad cut has been delayed for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 04, 2010, 10:16:36 PM
Any news on the team for Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2010, 10:31:56 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on February 04, 2010, 10:16:36 PM
Any news on the team for Sunday?

Down are training tomorrow evening so hope team is released then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 04, 2010, 11:32:40 PM
The team should be released tomorrow night at the latest. Repeatedly delaying announcements under Paddy and Ross did us no good at all, and, if anything, seemed to unsettle the players. The line-up should be named with confidence, and, particularly in the league, at an early and appropriate stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 05, 2010, 04:45:12 PM
I see someone was messing about with the Burren page on Wikipedia :D :D :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burren,_County_Down

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 05, 2010, 07:43:11 PM
The Down GAA senior panel for the 2010 National Football League
Round 1 vs Kildare on Sunday, 7th February 2010


1. Brendan McVeigh (An Riocht)  Breandán Mac an Bheatha (An Riocht)
2. Daniel McCartan (Burren)   Dónal Mac Artáin (Boireann)
3. Brendan McArdle (Annaclone)  Breandán Mac Árdghail (Eanach Chluáin)
4. Damien Rafferty (Newry Shamrocks) Damien Ó Raifeartaigh (Seamrogaí an Íuir)
5. Kevin McKernan (Burren)   Caoimhín Mac Thiarnáin (Boireann)
6. James Colgan (An Riocht)   Seamás Mac Colgan (An Riocht)
7. Conor Garvey (Mayobridge)  Conchúr Ó Gairbhith (Droichead Mhaigh Éo)
8. Ambrose Rodgers (Longstone)  Ambrós Mac Ruairí (Cloch Fhada)
9. Kalum King (Bryansford)   Colm Ó Cionga (Áth Bhriain)
10. Conor Maginn (Bryansford)  Conchúr Mag Fhinn (Áth Bhriain)
11. Martin Clarke (An Riocht)   Mairtín Ó Cléirigh (An Riocht)
12. Daniel Hughes (Saval)   Dónal Ó hAodha (Sabhaill)
13. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)  Pól Mac Cumascaigh (Dún Droma)
14. John Clarke (An Riocht)   Seán Ó Cléirigh (An Riocht)
15. Brendan Coulter (Mayobridge)  Breandán Ó Coltáir (Droichead Mhaigh Éo)
16. Declan Alder (Carryduff)   Deaglán Alder (Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh)
17. Stephen Kearney (Saval)   Stíofán Ó Cearnaigh (Sabhaill)
18. Kevin Duffin (Castlewellan)  Caoimhín Ó Duifinn (Caisleán Uidhlinn)
19. Aidan Brannigan (Kilcoo)   Aodhán Ó Branagáin (Cill Chua)
20. Sean Parr (Rostrevor)   Seán de Parr (Caisleán Ruairí)
21. Peter Fitzpatrick (Ballymartin)  Peadar Mac Giolla Phádraig (Baile Mhairtín)
22. Paul Greenan (Kilcoo)   Pól Ó Grianáin (Cill Chua)
23. Conor Laverty (Kilcoo)   Conchúr Mac Laibheartaigh (Cill Chua)
24. Mark Poland (Longstone)   Marcas Mac Póilín  (Cloch Fhada)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 05, 2010, 09:45:49 PM
Plenty of talking points in that team, and it's great to see it announced at a reasonably early stage. The forward line looks exciting, and should be capable of running up a decent total. It's a bit of a surprise to see King ahead of Fitzpatrick at midfield, and it's a pity that big Dan is not available to take on Dermot Early. However, the defence is another story. McArdle struggled at full back against Queen's in the McKenna Cup, and might be better off swopping with any of the three named half backs. McCartan is a great competitor, but there will be doubts about his pace against a nippy corner forward. It all looks like a work in progress, although, with Kildare short a few as well, the points are up for grabs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 05, 2010, 10:05:13 PM
Its a strong looking half back line, the full back line have a lot to prove.  The rest of the team looks very strong.  Sunday will tell us a lot about where Down are at but Kildare without John Doyle should be easier to manage but still a tough assignment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on February 06, 2010, 01:17:04 PM

Round 1 vs Kildare on Sunday, 7th February 2010


1. Brendan McVeigh (An Riocht)  Breandán Mac an Bheatha (An Riocht)
2. Daniel McCartan (Burren)   Dónal Mac Artáin (Boireann)
3. Brendan McArdle (Annaclone)  Breandán Mac Árdghail (Eanach Chluáin)
4. Damien Rafferty (Newry Shamrocks) Damien Ó Raifeartaigh (Seamrogaí an Íuir)
5. Kevin McKernan (Burren)   Caoimhín Mac Thiarnáin (Boireann)
6. James Colgan (An Riocht)   Seamás Mac Colgan (An Riocht)
7. Conor Garvey (Mayobridge)  Conchúr Ó Gairbhith (Droichead Mhaigh Éo)
8. Ambrose Rodgers (Longstone)  Ambrós Mac Ruairí (Cloch Fhada)
9. Kalum King (Bryansford)   Colm Ó Cionga (Áth Bhriain)
10. Conor Maginn (Bryansford)  Conchúr Mag Fhinn (Áth Bhriain)
11. Martin Clarke (An Riocht)   Mairtín Ó Cléirigh (An Riocht)
12. Daniel Hughes (Saval)   Dónal Ó hAodha (Sabhaill)
13. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)  Pól Mac Cumascaigh (Dún Droma)
14. John Clarke (An Riocht)   Seán Ó Cléirigh (An Riocht)
15. Brendan Coulter (Mayobridge)  Breandán Ó Coltáir (Droichead Mhaigh Éo)
16. Declan Alder (Carryduff)   Deaglán Alder (Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh)
17. Stephen Kearney (Saval)   Stíofán Ó Cearnaigh (Sabhaill)
18. Kevin Duffin (Castlewellan)  Caoimhín Ó Duifinn (Caisleán Uidhlinn)
19. Aidan Brannigan (Kilcoo)   Aodhán Ó Branagáin (Cill Chua)
20. Sean Parr (Rostrevor)   Seán de Parr (Caisleán Ruairí)
21. Peter Fitzpatrick (Ballymartin)  Peadar Mac Giolla Phádraig (Baile Mhairtín)
22. Paul Greenan (Kilcoo)   Pól Ó Grianáin (Cill Chua)
23. Conor Laverty (Kilcoo)   Conchúr Mac Laibheartaigh (Cill Chua)
24. Mark Poland (Longstone)   Marcas Mac Póilín  (Cloch Fhada)

[/quote]I think Brannigan is a strange one not seen much of him and Green at 9 could be a better choice ? but all in not a bad team looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 06, 2010, 02:11:47 PM
No sign of Dan Gordon or Aidan Carr? Are they injured?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 06, 2010, 05:41:41 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on February 06, 2010, 02:11:47 PM
No sign of Dan Gordon or Aidan Carr? Are they injured?

Yeah Carr is injured while Dan Gordon is taking a break for a while apparantly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 06, 2010, 05:45:52 PM
As far as I am aware there has been a cut in the panel and I'm not sure about the others but I know one player in that named 24 is no longer on the Down panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on February 06, 2010, 05:51:01 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 05, 2010, 04:45:12 PM
I see someone was messing about with the Burren page on Wikipedia :D :D :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burren,_County_Down

:D :D :D :D :D :D

It could be worse, they could have written lies!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 06, 2010, 05:54:15 PM
1. Brendan McVeigh (An Riocht)  Breandán Mac an Bheatha (An Riocht)
2. Daniel McCartan (Burren)   Dónal Mac Artáin (Boireann)
3. Brendan McArdle (Annaclone)  Breandán Mac Árdghail (Eanach Chluáin)
4. Damien Rafferty (Newry Shamrocks) Damien Ó Raifeartaigh (Seamrogaí an Íuir)
5. Kevin McKernan (Burren)   Caoimhín Mac Thiarnáin (Boireann)
6. James Colgan (An Riocht)   Seamás Mac Colgan (An Riocht)
7. Conor Garvey (Mayobridge)  Conchúr Ó Gairbhith (Droichead Mhaigh Éo)
8. Ambrose Rodgers (Longstone)  Ambrós Mac Ruairí (Cloch Fhada)
9. Kalum King (Bryansford)   Colm Ó Cionga (Áth Bhriain)
10. Conor Maginn (Bryansford)  Conchúr Mag Fhinn (Áth Bhriain)
11. Martin Clarke (An Riocht)   Mairtín Ó Cléirigh (An Riocht)
12. Daniel Hughes (Saval)   Dónal Ó hAodha (Sabhaill)
13. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)  Pól Mac Cumascaigh (Dún Droma)
14. John Clarke (An Riocht)   Seán Ó Cléirigh (An Riocht)
15. Brendan Coulter (Mayobridge)  Breandán Ó Coltáir (Droichead Mhaigh Éo)
16. Declan Alder (Carryduff)   Deaglán Alder (Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh)
17. Stephen Kearney (Saval)   Stíofán Ó Cearnaigh (Sabhaill)
18. Kevin Duffin (Castlewellan)  Caoimhín Ó Duifinn (Caisleán Uidhlinn)
19. Aidan Brannigan (Kilcoo)   Aodhán Ó Branagáin (Cill Chua)
20. Paul Murphy (Ballyholland) Pól Ó Murchú (Baile Cholmáin)
21. Peter Fitzpatrick (Ballymartin)  Peadar Mac Giolla Phádraig (Baile Mhairtín)
22. Paul Greenan (Kilcoo)   Pól Ó Grianáin (Cill Chua)
23. Conor Laverty (Kilcoo)   Conchúr Mac Laibheartaigh (Cill Chua)
24. Mark Poland (Longstone)   Marcas Mac Póilín  (Cloch Fhada)

The correct squad..ommitting the player i was talking about...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 06, 2010, 06:06:29 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 06, 2010, 05:45:52 PM
As far as I am aware there has been a cut in the panel and I'm not sure about the others but I know one player in that named 24 is no longer on the Down panel.

Yeah find it very strange Sean was cut. I reallly had high hopes for him. Although monk was not playing well, he should be ahead off Dan McCartan. Mickey Magee and Stevie Toner also not selected while Darren Cunningham left earlier in week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 06, 2010, 06:07:28 PM
U-21 Shamrock Cup result

Tyrone 0-9 Down 0-11.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on February 06, 2010, 06:09:42 PM
supersub

did sean walk or was he cut?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on February 06, 2010, 06:38:22 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 06, 2010, 06:07:28 PM
U-21 Shamrock Cup result

Tyrone 0-9 Down 0-11.

Any more info of that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on February 06, 2010, 07:14:17 PM
I assume those 24 lads aren't the squad, god willing, untill september, but just the match weekend squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on February 06, 2010, 07:18:24 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 06, 2010, 06:06:29 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 06, 2010, 05:45:52 PM
As far as I am aware there has been a cut in the panel and I'm not sure about the others but I know one player in that named 24 is no longer on the Down panel.

Yeah find it very strange Sean was cut. I reallly had high hopes for him. Although monk was not playing well, he should be ahead off Dan McCartan. Mickey Magee and Stevie Toner also not selected while Darren Cunningham left earlier in week.
How many players did he have in the Mc Kenna cup squad I seen saxon,magee,parr,toner it must have been a big cut
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 06, 2010, 07:50:14 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 06, 2010, 06:06:29 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 06, 2010, 05:45:52 PM
As far as I am aware there has been a cut in the panel and I'm not sure about the others but I know one player in that named 24 is no longer on the Down panel.

Yeah find it very strange Sean was cut. I reallly had high hopes for him. Although monk was not playing well, he should be ahead off Dan McCartan. Mickey Magee and Stevie Toner also not selected while Darren Cunningham left earlier in week.
Quote from: True Blue on February 06, 2010, 06:09:42 PM
supersub

did sean walk or was he cut?

Yeh a lot of people had high hopes for him too, great player still think he is worth a place in the panel, superb talent. Maybe he'll get another chance down the line. Monk also can count himself unlucky, as he has been a stalwart for down over the last 5 or 6 years!

Blue Shaun was definately cut, along with Martin Cole and a few others.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 06, 2010, 08:16:56 PM
So, the proposed start to the ACFL is the 5th of April.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 06, 2010, 08:18:04 PM
Easter Monday if I am correct?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 06, 2010, 08:21:29 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 06, 2010, 08:18:04 PM
Easter Monday if I am correct?

you are indeed Supersub, so its a dry Easter weekend for the boys, but probably a very messy Monday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 06, 2010, 08:23:18 PM
Hmmm maybe so, but there most likely will be a match that friday with training inbetween for most so Easter may be ruined haha
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 06, 2010, 08:25:11 PM
there is indeed a game that Friday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 06, 2010, 08:29:23 PM
Good time to start regardless - is this a definate date?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 06, 2010, 08:35:20 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 06, 2010, 08:29:23 PM
Good time to start regardless - is this a definate date?

think they are just proposed dates at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on February 07, 2010, 03:14:47 PM
ANY UPDATES ON THE MATCH
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on February 07, 2010, 03:15:13 PM
1-7 to 0-6 at ht to An Dun
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on February 07, 2010, 03:27:05 PM
Dundroma you can listen live here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8501319.stm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 07, 2010, 04:05:41 PM
Kildare 0-8 Down 1-16 FT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 07, 2010, 04:18:50 PM
Sounded like a very good performanace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on February 07, 2010, 04:31:32 PM
Great result today. Any reports lads?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on February 07, 2010, 05:24:26 PM
Down ran out comfortable 1-16 to 0-8 winners over Kildare in Sunday's NFL Division Two game at Newbridge.

The sides traded points in the first half until Paul McComiskey hammered the ball into the net to make it 1-5 to 0-6 to Down late in the first half.

John Clarke went close to adding a second goal and Down extended their lead to 1-7 to 0-6 at the interval.

The Mournemen continued to pull away after the break, with McComiskey prominent, and won by 11 points.

Down manager James McCartan said he believed the "hungrier team won on the day".

"We were expecting a stern test but were hopeful of winning because they had so many players missing.

"The two points were probably more important to us than Kildare," he added.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 07, 2010, 05:32:14 PM
Great preformance from Down today but  Kildare missing a few including Johnny Doyle has to be taken into account .Marty Clarke had a great game spraying the ball around for the Down forwards to win and to their credit they were out in front all day . John Clarke had a great game and would be my man of the match . In the middle Ambrose(capt.) had a very good game and Calum King came into it better in the second half .Defence worked hard , Dee Rafferty was his usual hard working self and McKernan had a great game . Connor Garvey knocked over a lovely point in the second half . So off to a great start and 2pts in the bag .

Any news on Dan Gordan ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on February 07, 2010, 06:07:10 PM
Dan was at the Big Stone this morning around 10am with the rest of L'island seniors; along with Ballyholland.

Ballymartin + Bosco occupied Kilbroney as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 07, 2010, 06:23:42 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on February 07, 2010, 06:07:10 PM
Dan was at the Big Stone this morning around 10am with the rest of L'island seniors; along with Ballyholland.

Ballymartin + Bosco occupied Kilbroney as well

Not good news , the sooner he is back in the county set up the better .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on February 07, 2010, 07:41:24 PM
Great performance today by Down.  I thought every man played a part in what was the best team performance since beating Tyrone in 2008...it may be only february but there is a lot to be optimistic about after today!  Was a very strong line up and id say that the team that lined out today we will see around 12 of them line out in may in ballybofey.  Speaking to a kildare man coming out and he thought that was about 10 of kildares first choice so it's a decent indication of how good down were today.

We were the much hungrier and sharper team by a mile, and when kildares discipline started to go in the last 15/20 when they knew they were beaten, Downs' discipline was excellent.  Brendan McVeigh was untroubled all day due to the defence being so strong, Damien Rafferty was fantastic today, kevin mckernan and james colgan were also great in defence.  Ambrose really came into it in the last 15 of the first half and had a really solid 2nd half, scoring 3 points in total.  Kalum King had a decent game overall, Benny worked really hard today and was great not to see Down relying on him so much, letting him play his own roving game was brilliant to watch.  Martin Clarke came into it more as the game progressed but had a fairly quiet one by his high standards...but im sure we'll see much more of him over the coming months!  Young conor maginn had a really steady game at half forward, and in the full forward line mccumisky and john clarke were excellent! Best 3 players for Down would have been damien rafferty, paul mccumisky and john clarke, any one of these 3 could have been man of the match! If had to pick id go for rafferty but id say the papers will give it to mccumisky for his great scoring return today, wasn't counting but id guess at 1-6? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on February 07, 2010, 08:02:26 PM
A very good performance and 2 points.
Its only Feb so i don't want to start calling us super stars just yet but I must say that I thought Rafferty, the Clarkes and Ambrose were outstanding.

It seems Meath will be a much tougher opponent on Saturday night, but if Down can repeat todays performance then they will have a fighting chance.


In my opinion todays starting 15 and the subs that came on make up a very strong panel. But in the long term are Michael Walsh and Doyle recovering from their injuries and will they be back on the panel? And whats up with big Dan? Is he injured?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 07, 2010, 08:46:49 PM
When you read the Irish News tomorrow morning the word "hype" will feature regularly when talking about this Down team. There is no hype in Down, there never was. We simply don't do hype, not in the `60s not in the 90s and most certainly not now. The only hype there is, is in the minds of a few two bit, tuppence hal`penny  journalists who are turning what was once a good GAA paper into a soccer style tabloid rag.

Rant over and a bit about the game. Kildare opened brightly and had a score on the board inside the first minute, but McComiskey quickly had Down back on level terms with a well taken point, before he slotted over a free to leave down ahead by 2-1. Kildare scored two points before John Clarke levelled the game on 18 minutes when he had the goal at his mercy. A Martin Clarke free put Down ahead by a point and a few minutes later John Clarke added another to leave down ahead by the minimum 5-4. Kildare added another 2 points before a great ball from Martin Clarke put Paul McComiskey in on goal and he made no mistake to leave the score 1-5 to 6 points in favour of Down. McComiskey lobbed over another free on 30 minutes before Ambrose Rogers got in on the act with a fine individual point to leave the score 1-7 to 0-6 in favour of Down at half time.
Down started the second half very brightly and Daniel Hughes added a point within 30 seconds. Connor Garvey had arguably the score of the day on 42 minutes to leave the scores at 1-9 to 0-6. Another Martin Clarke free followed by 2 points from Ambi left the score at 1-12 to 0-7 as the Kildare fans headed for the gate. McComiskey took a blow to the face, before slotting over the resulting free on 56 minutes, quickly followed by a point from sub Steven Kearney.  McComiskey added another from play before another of Down subs, Conor Laverty deservedly got on the score sheet to leave Down ahead by 11 points at the final whistle 1-16 to 0-08.
This was probably Downs best performance since beating Tyrone in Newry in2008, but no one will be getting carried away. We played with a purpose and cohesion that has been missing for too long. There were very few negatives today everyone played well, but Kildare made it easy for them. Kildare did not go out there to play football today, they went out to bully and foul Down and were very lucky to end up with 13 players on the field. They lost 1 player after a straight red card and a second in the dying minutes for a second yellow, but they could and should have had a few more players sent off. McGeeney really needs to have a look at this, but maybe this is what he wants.
The much maligned Down full back line didn't have much to do today. D. Rafferty was outstanding, while the others were steady enough after a shaky start. The half back line is very strong, they hardly put a foot wrong, though I was very impressed with James Colgan today. The midfield came into the game after a sluggish start. Ambi had 3 fine points from play, while Calum King added a physical aspect that has been missing for a long time. The forwards as a unit worked hard and took their scores well, with very few chances wasted. Martin Clarke did all that was asked of him, without being outstanding. He rarely wastes a ball and has the ability to find space in a crowded area and also play great balls into the corner forwards. He instinctively knows where John is and the two of them were worth the admission price alone. McComiskey had a great day, took a few knocks, but took his scores very well. Coulter, while not his usual flamboyant self put in a good, hard days work. For a while in the last 10 minutes he was playing in the full back line, in fact everyone seemed to want to defend. Its a pity Martin McHugh wasn't there to see it, I would have bought him a fish supper after the game.
All in all a good day at the office. My Man of the Match was D. Rafferty, though it really could go to any one. Next up, Meath on Saturday night who will be a much tougher test.

Down Scorers.
P. McComiskey  1-5 (3F), J. Clarke 0-2, M. Clarke 0-2 (2F), A. Rodgers 0-3, D. Hughes 0-1, C. Garvey 0-1, S. Kearney 0-1, C. Laverty 0-1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on February 07, 2010, 09:02:22 PM
for the past 5 to 6 years damien rafferty has been downs best defender. He would be one of the first names on my teamsheet,. I dont know him personally, but his atitude on the field is exempelary, no back chat, no moaning, does his job, selfless worker, an excellent player in my opinion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 07, 2010, 09:06:27 PM
D4S and T Hill have got it right but the debate in our car coming home was more about how poor Kildare were.They were missing their 2 of their 3 best players of last year ( Doyle and Smith) while the 3rd, Earley, was poor poor poor.Or was King bringing something that we haven't had in a few years to the midfield sector ?Or does Mc Geeney know how to get players big and strong but beyond that, can he read a game and analyse the opponent's weaknesses ?
It was a joy to watch Benny, Mc Comiskey and the Clarkes today - it was clear they were enjoying it also - and the defenders showed that the inputs from the Loughshore and Kilcoo bring added value to the managerial set-up. It was interesting to see Earley's Uncle Paul ( who was an excellent pundit on the Derry-Tyrone game on Setanta) deep in conversation with ma and da Clarke after the game- or maybe he was still feeling guilty about taking the all-star from the father of our wonderful captain ?All in all, a good show , and James kept the feet on the ground afterwards on the radio. After this performance we must push on and build confidence as the trip to Ballybofey in May will be critical- we don't want to be going through any back doors with the talent in our forward line especially.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 07, 2010, 09:16:03 PM
Quote from: down desperado on February 07, 2010, 09:02:22 PM
for the past 5 to 6 years damien rafferty has been downs best defender. He would be one of the first names on my teamsheet,. I dont know him personally, but his atitude on the field is exempelary, no back chat, no moaning, does his job, selfless worker, an excellent player in my opinion

If we can get Luke Howard fit again (does anyone know how he is getting on?) we will have potentially solved 2 of our 3 problem positions on the pitch. I still think Kevin McKernan would make a great full back, but on todays performance I cannot fault McArdle, though tougher tasks lie ahead.
DD, Kildare were poor today, but they should concentrate on playing football instead of getting too physical. McGeeney seems to have gone for physicality over footballing ability. A player like Doyle would be a big loss to any team, but if he had behaved himself he would have been eligible.
Strangely enough the main talking point from the Killdare supporters was not Martin Clarke, they were more interested in Dan Gordon and why he wasn't playing. I told them we didn't need him. We only use him for big games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on February 07, 2010, 09:47:13 PM
Hype was the talk in the irish news today and will continue to be.

Possibly the most pleasing part of the game was that marty clarke by his standards had a good game. But wasn't the best Down player. In fact may not make the top 3.

Rafferty & Ambrose Men of the Match. John Clarke a close third.

Referee was very kind to us, a few hand passes were the only harsh frees against.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aghdavoyle on February 07, 2010, 09:49:35 PM

It's immediately prior to the 2008 Ulster semi final since i saw down spirits so high...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on February 07, 2010, 09:51:50 PM
Joking aside T Hill what is the story with Gordon? Was at the donegal game in enniskillen wednesday week ago and he didnt look at his best at all, but was veruy surprised when i heard yesterday he wouldnt be on the panel today, does he want a break? Seems a strange one if so.  DD on your debate about how poor kildare were, its hard to understand the answer.  The kildare man i was chatting to on the way out also said to me the kildare lads have been training 6 nights a week and said he'd love to know what they've been doin?!  Injuries and suspensions aside I think the kildare fans and players were a bit dumbfounded today at how good Down were....but the big challenge for Down now is consistency, we need back to back great displays! We had great days at the office under O' Rourke + Carr but we need consistent good performances to be able to improve long term and challenge for ulster titles and in the latter stages of the all ireland series.  Meath next saturday night will ask a lot of tough questions of us, they will be coming now expecting one tough game, hopefully be a big turnout in Newry to cheer the lads on (unfortunately im workin late), a win here would be another huge boost!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on February 07, 2010, 09:55:10 PM
Quote from: Aghdavoyle on February 07, 2010, 09:49:35 PM

It's immediately prior to the 2008 Ulster semi final since i saw down spirits so high...

In hindsight we had just come from 7 points down in omagh, taken a replay to newry, beaten the all-ireland champions elect in a thriller after extra-time......any team in the country would have had high spirits! 

PS See my comment above RE: consistency and back to back good performances....thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oldhacker on February 07, 2010, 10:14:38 PM
Trevor, whether you call it hype or profile, we have not had much of either over the last 16 years. Today's result from Newbridge will be a talking point across the country, but the players are well capable of dealing with a little extra attention while it lasts. It might all help to get someone like Benny, who is in his 11th year of senior county football and has managed a single championship appearance at Croke Park for Down in that time, closer to the All Star he deserves.

While we can only judge our league campaign when it is over, this ranked alongside our best performances in the competition since we had a purple patch in the early to mid 80s. I would say it was our best away display since a memorable trip to Navan about a quarter of a century ago when we hammered Meath and Mickey Linden was close to unplayable.

The health warning has to be that Kildare were desparately poor, and had lost their shape and their discipline by an early stage in the second half. Still, they were a team which was widely expected to win promotion and a place in the AI quarter finals, and they could not deal with us at all.

McVeigh did not have a save to make, but his kick-outs were reasonable and he was usually able to find a colleague. McCartan did not have much to do, but kept his man quiet, and,despite a couple of sloppy hand passes, finished the game fairly strongly. McArdle was also largely untroubled and will have tougher tests ahead. Rafferty was outstanding from start to finish, won every ball down his wing and against stiff competition was probably MoM.

Colgan was practically as good in the half back line, providing strength, leadership and organisation throughout, while McKernan worked and tackled like a Trojan, and Garvey improved after a slightly shaky start to kick arguably the point of the day.

The midfield had a special day, leaving Early, who was the best in Ireland in his position last year, a frustrated and dejected figure long before the end. Ambrose is begining to look like the player we all know he can be. He provided a captain's role throughout, and his three points from play were precisely the type his father loved to score. King was almost equally effective, and his physical presence made a huge difference.

Maginn and Hughes both ran themselves into the ground, helping the defence while supporting the attack, and were always available to take a pass. Marty Clarke is still finding his feet, but some of his passing - especially the one for the goal - was breathtaking, and he is only going to improve.

John Clarke has a fantastic understanding with his younger brother, and was back to his best, while Benny terrified the Kildare backs every time he got the ball without quite getting into overdrive. McComiskey was pure class, and his tackling was almost as impressive as his finishing.

There's not much point in going through the subs, as Kildare had thrown in the towel before they appeared, but Down had a gameplan and a presence which suggests that further progress is possible.

Meath will be an entirely different game, and may tell us a bit more about where we stand, and we need big Dan back soon - although, amazingly, not necessarily at midfield. It's seldom easy being a Down supporter, but today was one of the good days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on February 07, 2010, 10:25:43 PM
Great result today, but over on hoganstand, they are saying that Dan Gordon has left the squad, does anyone know if this is true and why, would be a massive blow to us just as we seem to be moving in the right direction
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on February 07, 2010, 10:32:51 PM
Does anyone know when thw ACPRFL starts- we normally miss a couple of national league games- is it going to be the case again this season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bikeflyer30 on February 07, 2010, 10:44:36 PM
I thought down had a great game today but what stood out for me was the way we handled ourselves against an Armagh style Kildare team with the bully boy tactics.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 07, 2010, 11:41:00 PM
Discipline was a key issue for Down today, as every man won his individual battle with his opponent without losing control at any stage. In all honesty, a team picked from the 30 players who started would have had all 15 from our side. Benny did appear to throw an elbow at one stage, after receiving a series of heavy tackles, but the ref missed it. Kildare engaged in late tackles throughout, and repeatedly followed through on a player who passed the ball. The two guys who got a second yellow could have had few complaints, and the number two was lucky not to follow them. However, Meath will specialse in getting legitimate hits in next week, and they will not fold the way Kildare did in any circumstances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on February 08, 2010, 11:51:04 AM
Very pleased that down appear to be working on a defensive strategy but the jury remains out as Kildare were short most of their starting forwards. Big worry for me was Benny. His running appeared very laboured as if he was carrying an injury or too heavy a winter coat. Either way, need him fully firing come summer. Saw enough of Clarke to reckon he'll be virtually unmarkable when the hard ground arrives. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: waitingforsam on February 08, 2010, 03:49:38 PM
Good result yesterday & a joy to watch at times. The majority of us on here seem to agree that there is no hype, its only feb & it a long hard beaten path to glory.James himself said that this was 2 points away from relegation more than anything else.

Albeit, there are reasons to be positive and hopefully we can stay up in Div 2 for another season.


Anyone know the story on Dan Gordan ? twould be a shame if he had left the panel as quoted above


looking forward to the Armagh Game in a few weeks in newry. . . . . 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on February 08, 2010, 05:03:07 PM
Big Dan trained with Island on sunday. I hear stories of injury, but more reliable stories that he fancies a break to concentrate on non footballing matters.

For a man that has done so much he can be afforded a break, but hopefully he returns for the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 08, 2010, 06:05:05 PM
Dan apparently has lost his appetite for county football and with the committment involved. Maybe a break and time to recharge his batteries will help because in the last year we have not seen him near his best at county or club level.

Very impressive display yesterday and it was great to see Down supporters enjoying themselves again. Its wonderful what a freshening up can do and when the top players are selected to represent the county. 7 off the twenty men used yesterday rarely or ever featured under Ross. Damian Rafferty was immence in defence while Colgan was superb at centre half. He appears to be the number 6 we have been badly needing for some time. Ambrose had a great game while King worked his socks off and basically spoilt Dermot Earley from making any impact in midfield. In attack John Clarke was my man of the match while McComiskey caused havoc in the Kildare defence with his speed and finishing. Marty clarkes playmaking is a joy to watch while Hughes never stopped working. Laverty and Kearney also impressed coming off the bench.
Hopefully the boys can build on this. A win against Meath would leave us in a great position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on February 08, 2010, 06:40:20 PM
Great to see down winning witha high score without having to rely on benny on getting them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on February 08, 2010, 08:28:13 PM
I am delighted to see the Down team announced last Friday night is the same one that played yesterday and we were awarded with fabulous victory.

Don't understand why any manager naming the team few days before game and starting a different selection that we had in past Down's team.

Enjoyed reading the reports of games on here especially from Mourne Rover, Trevor Hill, Mid Down Gael and few others.  Much much better reading than The Irish News.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on February 08, 2010, 08:35:27 PM
i wonder if james will start with the same 15 again on saturday evening or if he will make a few changes and use some of the the other lads on the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 08, 2010, 08:39:19 PM
Question for anyone who was at yesterdays game. What did you think of Daniel McCartan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on February 08, 2010, 08:42:51 PM
i was in kerry at the wknd so i missed the game, but i seen mccartan playing for burren against kilcoo in the championship last year and he was dreadful, i was very surprised to seeing him in the starting line up, he didnt play much in the mckenna cup either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 08, 2010, 09:06:52 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on February 08, 2010, 08:39:19 PM
Question for anyone who was at yesterdays game. What did you think of Daniel McCartan?

He done ok without ever really being tested as his man played a roving role which suited Dan. Tougher tests will lie ahead for him. I assume James will go with the same starting line up for the Meath game with Dan likely having to mark David or Stephen Bray or Cian Ward which wouldnt be easy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on February 08, 2010, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on February 08, 2010, 08:39:19 PM
Question for anyone who was at yesterdays game. What did you think of Daniel McCartan?

I thought he wasn't great to be honest, he gave away possesion twice in the first half, didn't really look comfortable on the ball & seemed to lack the pace needed to be playing county football.
On the other hand the display from Damian Rafferty in the other corner back position was a joy to watch, he was fast, won a few in the air, hassled, got a hand in or a foot in to break down several Kildare attacks & didn't get drawn into playing fancy football in the full back line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 08, 2010, 09:49:35 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on February 08, 2010, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on February 08, 2010, 08:39:19 PM
Question for anyone who was at yesterdays game. What did you think of Daniel McCartan?

I thought he wasn't great to be honest, he gave away possesion twice in the first half, didn't really look comfortable on the ball & seemed to lack the pace needed to be playing county football.
On the other hand the display from Damian Rafferty in the other corner back position was a joy to watch, he was fast, won a few in the air, hassled, got a hand in or a foot in to break down several Kildare attacks & didn't get drawn into playing fancy football in the full back line.

Yeah i thought Rafferty was outstanding. What i seen off McCartan in club football last year he is not near good enough for county level. As DD said previously he got destroyed against us. Yesterday he was not shown up as he was not isolated in full back line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 08, 2010, 09:50:08 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on February 08, 2010, 08:39:19 PM
Question for anyone who was at yesterdays game. What did you think of Daniel McCartan?

If you were picking a combined 15 from the two teams he is the only one who wouldn't make it. Didn't foul as much as usual but didn't do much of anything else either. I have watched him in the county jersey before and many times for Burren and his selection now would be incomprehensible except for the family tie.

Maybe I am missing something. I accept he has grit and determination; so have I but I don't think i will get selected. (Well to be honest I am 45).

Just don't get it - but hope to be proved wrong especialliy as I support the new management who seem to have started in the right way. So I'll shut up then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on February 08, 2010, 09:55:11 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on February 08, 2010, 08:39:19 PM
Question for anyone who was at yesterdays game. What did you think of Daniel McCartan?

Every player in red and black yesterday (including the subs) played very well, the scoreline did reflect the performance. Indeed a couple were outstanding whist one or two others had less to do. The important thing was that defended, supported, tackled and attacked as a team. Everyone contributed positively - including Dan McCartan.

For the first tme in ages there is no real need to criticize anyone. The same 15 should start against Meath on Saturday on merit when they will be up against it. Even the decent or should I say proven Down teams have a dismal record against the Royals in the past 20 years - (apart from 91 when it really counted).

And as for whether players play well for their club or not its irrelevant, some truly great club players cant cut it at county level whilst, some great county men don't give their clubs the same commitment or performance levels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 08, 2010, 09:59:13 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 08, 2010, 06:05:05 PM
Dan apparently has lost his appetite for county football and with the committment involved. Maybe a break and time to recharge his batteries will help because in the last year we have not seen him near his best at county or club level.


With the introduction of the mark, Dan would be at his best. Too often in the past his magnificent high-fielding resulted only in being pummelled to the ground and rewarded with a free against for over-holding, the worst legacy of what Tyrone-led "swarm defence" (ie, multiple fouling) has brought to the GAA. If the new rule protects this great skill I am all for it and hopefully it will entice Dan back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on February 08, 2010, 10:03:22 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 08, 2010, 09:49:35 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on February 08, 2010, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on February 08, 2010, 08:39:19 PM
Question for anyone who was at yesterdays game. What did you think of Daniel McCartan?

I thought he wasn't great to be honest, he gave away possesion twice in the first half, didn't really look comfortable on the ball & seemed to lack the pace needed to be playing county football.
On the other hand the display from Damian Rafferty in the other corner back position was a joy to watch, he was fast, won a few in the air, hassled, got a hand in or a foot in to break down several Kildare attacks & didn't get drawn into playing fancy football in the full back line.

Yeah i thought Rafferty was outstanding. What i seen off McCartan in club football last year he is not near good enough for county level. As DD said previously he got destroyed against us. Yesterday he was not shown up as he was not isolated in full back line.

Anyone who gets isolated at county level or even club level will get roasted, thats why defensive systems are necessary. Just ask any full back however apparantly  we don't have any in Down!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on February 08, 2010, 10:04:42 PM
I dont think anyone wants to criticise any member of the team after such a good victory at the weekend but some posters are just highlighting a potential weakness further down the line. I think most down supporters were genuinely surprised to see dan included in the first 15. But if we keep winning James has no question to answer, on a personal level i believe we have better corner backs than dan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 08, 2010, 10:25:38 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on February 06, 2010, 06:38:22 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 06, 2010, 06:07:28 PM
U-21 Shamrock Cup result

Tyrone 0-9 Down 0-11.

Any more info of that?

1. Kieran Gordan
2. Malachy Magee
3. Damian Turley
4. Owen Costelloe
5. Darren OHagan
6. Anton McArdle
7. Ruairi Digney
8. Conor Poland
9. Eamon Toner
10. Paul Devlin 0-3
11. Sean Murdock 0-1
12. Barry Kane 0-2
13. Paudie Poland 0-1
14. John Connolly 0-2
15. Connaire Harrison.

Subs used:
Ben ORielly 0-1
Chris Duggan
Chris Killen 0-1
Michael Higgins
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on February 08, 2010, 11:12:35 PM
despite living off scraps throughout, two kildare forwards scored 0-5 from play between them and looked to have the better of their opposite number at least in the first half. Neither of these were being marked by Dan Mc Cartan. His man never felt the weight of it. Don't let the facts get in the way of your prejudices lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 08, 2010, 11:31:06 PM
I think Daniel McCartan is in a no win situation. Damned if he does, damned if he doesnt. I thought he had a shaky start, but settled after the first quarter and was solid enough. Although I was surprised at his inclusion it wasnt a shock. Maybe there is a bit of favouritism there but I think he justified his inclusion yesterday, though a better team may have shown weaknesses all over the field, not just with Daniel.
One thing that really gets me is that a lot of Down supporters seem to go to games to criticise their own. A few men beside us were on his case before the game even started and only stopped slagging him off when Conor Laverty came on as they had a new target. Why bother going to a game if you are only interested in highlighting the negative?
I cannot see too many changes for the Meath game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on February 08, 2010, 11:56:30 PM
Hope Gordon has a change of heart...He is without doubt, the best fielder of a ball in the county.  We will need him come the summer!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eartotheground on February 09, 2010, 12:17:47 AM
Any thoughts on Conner Maginn, oh well done to Kilcoo and Timmy Hanna for there awards at the east down nite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 09, 2010, 10:01:49 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on February 08, 2010, 11:56:30 PM
Hope Gordon has a change of heart...He is without doubt, the best fielder of a ball in the county.  We will need him come the summer!

Mightn't do him a button of harm to stay out for a while.....he'll be fresh come the championship and I've a feeling he'll end up with a couple of league games under his belt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on February 09, 2010, 10:34:17 AM
Sounds like Dan McCartan is on a hiding to nothing when the defence plays well and keep the Kildare forwards quiet and he still gets singled out, it's a bit like Micky Hartes son Mark when he was in the Tyrone panel and he was scoring 5 or 6 points a game.  One thing is for certain if he or someone else plays corner back in the next few games someone will eventually score a couple of points on him then the criticism will really start.

I was at the Kilcoo Burren match and didn't think McCartan played that badly, Kilcoo where isolating Laverty up front and leaving a big space, it's nearly impossible for a fullback to dominate in a match like that if midfield have time to pick out a pass.  Kilcoo won 12 10 and Burren missed a penalty so it wasn't like they won that easy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: football-4-life on February 09, 2010, 10:37:31 AM
Is there any highlights of the game anywer?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on February 09, 2010, 11:08:32 AM
Quote from: football-4-life on February 09, 2010, 10:37:31 AM
Is there any highlights of the game anywer?

Quite a bit of it was on Sunday Sport on Sunday night.

Go to

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html

Then click on programmes.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on February 09, 2010, 11:47:37 AM
Quote from: Maiden1 on February 09, 2010, 11:08:32 AM
Quote from: football-4-life on February 09, 2010, 10:37:31 AM
Is there any highlights of the game anywer?

Quite a bit of it was on Sunday Sport on Sunday night.

Go to

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html

Then click on programmes.

I watched the programme when I got home and didn't see any Down action!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 09, 2010, 12:06:47 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 09, 2010, 10:01:49 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on February 08, 2010, 11:56:30 PM
Hope Gordon has a change of heart...He is without doubt, the best fielder of a ball in the county.  We will need him come the summer!

Mightn't do him a button of harm to stay out for a while.....he'll be fresh come the championship and I've a feeling he'll end up with a couple of league games under his belt.

Dan has played a lot of football over the last 10 years or so, at times ploughing a lone furrow. A rest will do him no harm, but it would be great to see him back in action in the summer, hopfully at full forward.
There seems to be an openness about the Down set up at present that has been missing for far too long. There are no point in letting rumours circulate and James did the right thing giving an interview to the Irish News.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 09, 2010, 12:11:21 PM
I'd agree Trevor Hill. James seems more interested in focusing his players on the job in hand than in trying to faux-bamboozle opposing managers, and I'm all in favour of this approach.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 09, 2010, 12:16:39 PM
He`ll probably* be in the club after the Meath game on Saturday evening and is happy enough to talk to anyone about the team or any other issues.

*He did this during the McKenna Cup and I think it was a nice touch, its also nice to hear his views on certain issues. He is certainly not shy. I know you Ballyholland men don't enjoy a beer if it isn't at altitude, but you could always drop in after the game, Just don't bring your mate and his Abba collection.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 09, 2010, 12:18:37 PM
Great to get a win on sunday last and a nice start to the league but this saturday nights game against the royals will be a better test of some of Down's individuals.
Here's hoping that the lads put up another good performance and get a victory, be it by a one-point win or otherwise.

Down will need Dan back on board at some stage, if its a break and a rest he needs for whatever reasons then it has to be respected and left at that. What was in todays irish news, what did James say in the interview.

As for Dan Mc Cartan i really dont know what the fuss is all about. Iv seen many a Down panelist getting skinned for his club at various stages down the years, happens to the best of them. Cant believe people would still be of the opinion that he is only there due to his name. Some guys just dont like him and will criticise him at every opportunity no matter what he does. Give the lad a break ffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 09, 2010, 12:20:49 PM
What time is the clubhouse open from before the game anyone know ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 09, 2010, 12:22:47 PM
Unless you intend getting there very early the club will be open. It will close just before throw in and reopen again just before the game finishes. Good pints into the bargain.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 09, 2010, 01:15:19 PM
Yeah will be up early enough , probably get something to eat in the town , don't like McCoys for a drink so would prefer club .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on February 09, 2010, 08:50:30 PM
Not so sure about the ratings of Rafferty..

He played very very well, but enjoyed buckets of luck, and made a few errors that he managed to rectify.

Anyone else think he did well but maybe got a lot of luck?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 09, 2010, 09:44:09 PM
Theres a phrase thats thrown about the harder you work the luckier you get (Gary Player I believe coined it). Maybe that could be applied to his performance on Saturday night, I wasn't there so can't comment.
However, have seen him on numerous occasions ad I personally think he is a all you want in a corner back, fast, good reader of the game and goes about his business with maximum efficiency and minimum fuss.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 09, 2010, 10:20:42 PM
You make your own luck.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on February 10, 2010, 12:03:36 AM
Quote from: downredblack on February 09, 2010, 01:15:19 PM
Yeah will be up early enough , probably get something to eat in the town , don't like McCoys for a drink so would prefer club .
Try the Bosco, new bar looking very well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on February 10, 2010, 04:06:46 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on February 09, 2010, 11:08:32 AM
Quote from: football-4-life on February 09, 2010, 10:37:31 AM
Is there any highlights of the game anywer?

Quite a bit of it was on Sunday Sport on Sunday night.

Go to

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html

Then click on programmes.

Clean ragin, tried to watch that, but the picture is jumpy,  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on February 10, 2010, 04:16:32 PM
if anyone would be interested in a friendly wednesday 3 march with my club wolfe tone(2nd division armagh)could you please  pm me.  would need to be at your pitch under the lights as we are getting our pitch redeveloped.  thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on February 10, 2010, 05:03:26 PM
Are down even on that RTE report.

Also I'd agree that he made his own luck, the ball usually got into his hands because he was there making a nuisence of himself and not standing off when he was 2nd favourite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on February 10, 2010, 05:25:02 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on February 10, 2010, 05:03:26 PM
Are down even on that RTE report.

Also I'd agree that he made his own luck, the ball usually got into his hands because he was there making a nuisence of himself and not standing off when he was 2nd favourite.

Maybe it was on TG4 GAA BEO on Sunday night and not Sunday Sport if so then they usually repeat the programme but there was definitely a good part of the Down match, they kept calling Martin Clarke John Clarke.  I'm trying to remember whether they where talking in Irish or not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on February 10, 2010, 09:14:28 PM
Anyone be interested in an U-16 challenge game in next couple of weeks?League due to start on 28th feb and looking couple of games before it.We will travel.Pm me if interested.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 10, 2010, 09:50:23 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on February 10, 2010, 04:06:46 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on February 09, 2010, 11:08:32 AM
Quote from: football-4-life on February 09, 2010, 10:37:31 AM
Is there any highlights of the game anywer?

Quite a bit of it was on Sunday Sport on Sunday night.

Go to

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/mediaplayer.html

Then click on programmes.

Clean ragin, tried to watch that, but the picture is jumpy,  >:( >:(

http://live.tg4.ie/main.aspx?level=sport&content=29011272705
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA_99 on February 10, 2010, 11:29:30 PM
ray tumility/sean colgan Atticall
jhonny mccomisiky Ballymartain
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on February 11, 2010, 01:31:50 PM
Didnt see any of the game on rte on sunday night but TG4 showed it on monday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 11, 2010, 08:42:32 PM
LIOSTA SEALADACH NA gCLUICHI – 2010


Eanáir (January)


Sunday 10th Dr. McKenna Cup Round 1 Derry v Down

Saturday 16th Dr. McKenna Cup Round 2 Down v Queens

Wednesday 20th Dr. McKenna Cup Round 3 Down v Antrim

Sat/Sun 23rd/24th Dr. McKenna Cup Semi-Final

Sunday 30th Dr. McKenna Cup Final


- Feabhra (February) -


Sunday 7th National Football League Round 1 Kildare v Down

USFCL Round 1

Saturday 13th National Football League Round 2 Down v Meath

Sunday 14th USFCL Round 2

Saturday 20th Scor na Og Athlone

Sunday 21st National Hurling League Round 1

USFCL Round 3

Fri/Sat 26th / 27th Sigerson Cup

Sunday 28th National Hurling League Round 2

USFCL Round 4


- Márta (March) -


Saturday 6th National Football League Round 3 Down v Tipperary

USHCL Round 1

Fitzgibbon Cup

Sunday 7th ACPRL Round 1

USFCL Round 5

Saturday 13th National Football League Round 4 Donegal v Down

MFL Round 1 Down v Dublin

MHL Round 1 Armagh v Down

USHCL Round 2

Sunday 14th National Hurling League Round 3

ACPRL Round 2


Wednesday 17th A I B Club Championship Finals

Saturday 20th National Football League Round 5 Down v Armagh

MFL Round 2 Monaghan v Down

MHL Round 2 Down v Derry

USHCL Round 3

Sunday 21st National Hurling League Round 4

ACPRL Round 3

USFCL Q Finals

Wednesday 24th Ulster U 21 Championship Q Finals

Cavan v Down

Saturday 27th MFL Round 3 Down v Meath

MHL Round 3 Down v Antrim

USHCL Round 4

Sunday 28th National Football League Round 6 Westmeath v Down

National Hurling League Round 5

ACPRL Round 4

USFCL Semi Finals

Wednesday 31st Ulster U 21 Championship Semi Finals



- Aibreán (April) -


Saturday 3rd UMFL Round 4 Down v Cavan

UMHL Div 1 Final

Sunday 4th Easter Sunday

National Hurling League Round 6

Monday 5th ACFL Div 1, 2, 3, 4 Round 1

Wednesday 7th Ulster U 21 Championship Final

ACHL Round 1

Friday 9th ACFL Div 2, 3 & 4 Round 2

Saturday 10th Ulster MFL Round 5 Armagh v Down

USHCL Round 5

Sunday 11th National Football League Round 7 Down v Laois

ACPRL Round 5

Monday 12th ACFL Div 1 Round 2

ACFL Div 2, 3 & 4 Round 3

Wednesday 14th ACHL Round 2

Friday 16th ACFL Div 1 Round 3

ACFL Div 2 3 & 4 Round 4

Saturday 17th Ulster Minor Football League Final

All Ireland U-21 Football Semi-Finals

USHCL Round 6

Sunday 18th National Hurling League Round 7

ACPRL Round 6

Wednesday 21st ACHL Round 3

Friday 23rd ACFL Div 1 Round 4 ****

ACFL Div 2 3 & 4 Round 5****

Sunday 25th National Football League Div 1 & 2 Finals

ACPRL Round 7

Wednesday 28th ACHL Round 4

Friday 30th ACFL Div 1 Round 5

ACFL Div 2 3 & 4 Round 6


- Bealtaine (May)

Saturday 1st All Ireland U-21 Football Final

Fiele Uladh

Sunday 2nd National Hurling League Finals Div 1 & 2

ACPRL Round 8

Wednesday 5th ACHL Round 5****

Friday 7th A.C.F.L. Div 1 Round 6

ACFL Div 2 3 & 4 Round 7

Saturday 8th Christy Ring Cup Round 1

ACPRL Round 9

Sunday 9th Lá na gClub

Wednesday 12th ACHL Round 6****

Friday 14th ACFL Div 1 Round 7

ACFL Div 2 3 & 4 Round 8

Saturday 15th Christy Ring Cup Round 2

Down Feile na Peil

Sunday 16th ACPRL Round 10

Monday 18th ACFL Div 2 3 & 4 Round 9

Wednesday 19th A.C.H.L. Round 7****

Friday 21st A.C.F.L. Div 1***** Round 8

ACFL Div 2 3 & 4***** Round 10

Saturday 22nd Christy Ring Cup ¼ Finals – play-off's

Down Feile na Peil

Sunday 23rd A.C.P.R.L. Round 11

Wednesday 26th A.C.H.L. Round 8

Friday 28th A.C.F.L. Div 1 Round 9*****

ACFL Div 2 3 & 4 Round 11*****

Saturday 29th Ulster Senior & Minor Hurling Championship ¼ Finals

Sunday 30th Ulster Senior & Minor Football Championship

Donegal v Down

Meitheamh (June) –



Wednesday 2nd ACHL Round 9****

Friday 4th A.C.F.L. Div 1 Round 10

A.C.F.L Div 2 3 & 4 Round 12

Saturday 5th Christy Ring Cup Semi-Finals

Lory Meagher Cup Round 1

Ulster Poc Fhada

Sunday 6th Feis an Dúin

A.C.P.R. & R Championships 16+teams

Wednesday 9th A.C.H.L. Round 10****

Friday 11th A.C.F.L. Div 1 Round 11

A.C.F.L Div 2 3 & 4 Round 13

Saturday 12th Lory Meagher Cup Round 2

Ulster U-15 Hurling Blitz 2

Óg Sport an Dúin

Sunday 13th Ulster Senior & Minor Hurling Championship Semi-Final

A.C.P.R.L. Round 12

Wednesday 16th A.C.H.L. Round 11****

Friday 18th A.C.F.L. Div 1 **** Round12

A.C.F.L Div 2 3 & 4 **** Round 14

Saturday 19th Ulster Senior & Minor Football Championship Semi Final

Lory Meagher Cup ¼ Final

Sunday 20th A.C.P.R.L. – Series 13

Wednesday 23rd A.C.H.L. Round 12****

Friday 25th A.C.F.L. Div 1 **** Round 13

A.C.F.L Div 2 3 & 4 **** Round 15

Saturday 26th All-Ireland Qualifiers Round 1

Lory Meagher Semi Final

Sunday 27th Ulster Senior & Minor Hurling Championship Final

Wednesday 30th A.C.H.L. Round 13****



- Iúil (July) -


Friday 2nd A.C.F.L. Div 1 Round 14

A.C.F.L Div 2 3 & 4 Round 16

Saturday 3rd Christy Ring Final

Lory Meagher Final

Ulster Minor Club Hurling League Round 1

Sunday 4th A.C.P.R.L. Round 14

Wednesday 7th A.C.H.L. Round 14

Thursday 8th A.C.F.L. Div 2 3 & 4 **** Round 17

Saturday 10th All-Ireland Qualifiers Round 2

Christy Ring Cup Final (Provisional)

Ulster Minor Club Hurling League Round 2

Wednesday 14th A.C.H.L Round 15

Saturday 17th All-Ireland Qualifiers Round 3

Ulster Minor Club Hurling League Round 3

Sunday 18th Ulster Senior & Minor Football Championship Finals

Wednesday 21st Ulster U-21 Hurling Championship Semi-Final Antrim v Down

Saturday 24th All-Ireland Qualifiers Round 4

Sunday 25th A.C.P.R. & R Championships Last16 teams

Wednesday 28th A.C.H.L Round 16****

Ulster U-21 Hurling Championship Final

Friday 30th A.C.F.L. Div 1 **** Round 15

A.C.F.L Div 2 3 & 4**** Round 18

Saturday 31st All-Ireland Football ¼ Finals



- Lúnasa (August) –

Sunday 1st All-Ireland Football ¼ Finals

A.C.P.R.L Round 15

Monday 2nd All-Ireland Football ¼ Finals

Wednesday 4th A.C.H.L Round 17

Thursday 5th Football Championships

Friday 6th Football Championships

Saturday 7th Football Championships

Sunday 8th Football Championships

Monday 9th Football Championships

Wednesday 11th Intermediate & Junior Hurling Championship ¼ Finals

Friday 13th A.C.F.L. Div 1 Round 16

A.C.F.L Div 2 3 & 4 Round 19

Saturday 14th Ulster U-15 Football Blitz 2

Sunday 15th A.C.P.R.L Round 16

Wednesday 18th A.C.H.L Round 18

Friday 20th A.C.F.L. Div 1 **** Round 17

A.C.F.L Div 2 3 & 4 **** Round 20

Sunday 22nd All-Ireland Senior & Minor Football Semi-Finals

Intermediate & Junior Hurling Championship ½ Finals

Monday 23rd A.C.P.R.L Round 17

Wednesday 25th A.C.H.L –Outstanding

Thursday 26th Football Championships

Friday 27th Football Championships

Saturday 28th Football Championships

Sunday 29th Football Championships

A.C.H.L Outstanding

Monday 30th Football Championships


- Meán Fómhair (September) -


Saturday 4th A.C.F.L. Div 1 Round 18

A.C.F.L Div 2 3 & 4 Round 21

Sunday 5th All-Ireland Senior & Minor Hurling Finals A.C.P.R.L Round 18

Friday 10th Football Championships

Saturday 11th Football Championships

Sunday 12th Football Championships

Senior Hurling Championship Semi- Finals

Intermediate & Junior Hurling Championship Finals

Sunday 19th All-Ireland Senior & Minor Football Finals

Saturday 25th A.C.F.L. Div 2 3 & 4 Round 22

Sunday 26th Senior Hurling Championship Final

All-Ireland Ladies Football Finals


- Deireadh Fómhair (October) -


Saturday 2nd A.C.F.L Semi Finals/Play-Offs

Sunday 3rd Senior Football Championship Final

Ulster Intermediate Club Hurling Championship Tyrone v Down

Ulster Junior Club Hurling Championship Down v Tyrone/Donegal

Sunday 10th A.C.F.L. Finals/Play-Offs

Ulster Senior Club Hurling Championship Antrim v Down

Ulster Intermediate & Junior Club Hurling Championship Semi-Finals

Sunday 17th Ulster Intermediate Club Football Championship Derry v Down

Ulster Junior Club Football Championship Donegal v Down

Saturday 23rd International Rules

Sunday 24th International Rules

Ulster Club Hurling Championship Finals

Sunday 31st Ulster Club Football Championship Quarter Finals


Samhain (November) –

Sunday 14th Ulster Club Football Championship Semi Finals

Sunday 28th Ulster Club Football Championship Finals



- Nollaig (December) –


***** These Games Must be Played Without County Players.


**** Possibly Played Without County Players.


Games postponed for whatever reason must be played on or before the following Monday night. Rules on postponement will be strictly adhered to. Games not played will ruled on by Coiste Cheannais Na gComórtaisí.


The date listed in the Fixtures Programme approved by the County Committee for the final series of games in each Division of the All-County Football League shall be the designated "cut-off" date.


The league positions of teams after the games played on the "cut-off" date shall be considered the final league positions.


Coiste Cheannais Na gComórtaisí may review the above fixtures during the year. Clubs will be notified in writing (email) of any changes.

Play-off games will start immediately after their respective leagues are complete.


With the newly developed Pairc Esler the Competitions Control Committee may fix games under lights in the new stadium, Clubs will be notified in writing (email) of any changes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on February 11, 2010, 09:24:57 PM
I can understand  div 1 starting on easter monday. But div 2 and 3 have an extra 4 games to play in their leagues could they not have started 2 or 3 weeks earlier, the end of the season is going to be a potential disaster again. Instead of starting in mid march these teams start their leagues with 4 games in 11 days, which is a bit much. While their last 3 crucial league games are spread over five weeks which is ridiculous and two of these games are crammed in on a saturday which is problematic for a lot of clubs. If a team happens to win their championship and also are involved in either a promotion or relegation playoff these will clash with ulster championship fixtures. This is going to mean that the playoffs could be delayed until the end of october or even november which is crazy for such important games, especially when it can be avoided. If a team wins either div 2 or 3 this year it will mean from the 20 of august, to the play off finals in middle of october {if everything goes to plan and no games are cancelled} these teams have only 2 competive league games in 8 weeks before their most important game of the year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on February 11, 2010, 09:56:13 PM
The first 11 league games take place over 7.5 weeks, it takes  a further 17 weeks to play the next 11 games. I realise there is a round of championship games and the july holidays in the 2nd half of the season but the difference is huge. Over the last 5 years my club has been involved in the promotion play offs 3 times so i have seen the effects of the league dragging to its conclusion at the end of the season. Matches being postponed, cancelled for all sorts of reasons its very frustrating and i can see it happening again this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on February 11, 2010, 10:06:08 PM
Sitting in all over easter then!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 12, 2010, 05:56:09 AM
Down Team v Meath
1. Brendan McVeigh 2. Daniel McCartan  3. Brendan McArdle  4. Damien Rafferty 5. Kevin McKernan 6. James Colgan7. Conor Garvey 8. Ambrose Rodgers 9. Kalum King  10. Conor Maginn 11. Martin Clarke 12. Daniel Hughes 13. Paul McComiskey14. John Clarke 15. Brendan Coulter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fairplay on February 12, 2010, 10:02:48 AM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on February 12, 2010, 05:56:09 AM
Down Team v Meath
1. Brendan McVeigh 2. Daniel McCartan  3. Brendan McArdle  4. Damien Rafferty 5. Kevin McKernan 6. James Colgan7. Conor Garvey 8. Ambrose Rodgers 9. Kalum King  10. Conor Maginn 11. Martin Clarke 12. Daniel Hughes 13. Paul McComiskey14. John Clarke 15. Brendan Coulter
Early up this morning TH?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on February 12, 2010, 11:32:54 AM
i am presuming that there is a mistake in that proposed fixture list, as it states that Div 4 teams have rounds 19-22 to play, when there is only 9 teams in the league, which would mean if each team were to play each other twice, then there would only be 18 rounds of games, with 1 team having a bye every round!! am i right in saying this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on February 12, 2010, 01:39:08 PM
Quote from: stpauls on February 12, 2010, 11:32:54 AM
i am presuming that there is a mistake in that proposed fixture list, as it states that Div 4 teams have rounds 19-22 to play, when there is only 9 teams in the league, which would mean if each team were to play each other twice, then there would only be 18 rounds of games, with 1 team having a bye every round!! am i right in saying this?

Would it not be 16 games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on February 12, 2010, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on February 12, 2010, 01:39:08 PM
Quote from: stpauls on February 12, 2010, 11:32:54 AM
i am presuming that there is a mistake in that proposed fixture list, as it states that Div 4 teams have rounds 19-22 to play, when there is only 9 teams in the league, which would mean if each team were to play each other twice, then there would only be 18 rounds of games, with 1 team having a bye every round!! am i right in saying this?

Would it not be 16 games?

yeah, we would play 16 games but we would also have 2 rounds were we don't play a game, due to having a bye week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on February 12, 2010, 04:42:52 PM
Quote from: stpauls on February 12, 2010, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on February 12, 2010, 01:39:08 PM
Quote from: stpauls on February 12, 2010, 11:32:54 AM
i am presuming that there is a mistake in that proposed fixture list, as it states that Div 4 teams have rounds 19-22 to play, when there is only 9 teams in the league, which would mean if each team were to play each other twice, then there would only be 18 rounds of games, with 1 team having a bye every round!! am i right in saying this?

Would it not be 16 games?

yeah, we would play 16 games but we would also have 2 rounds were we don't play a game, due to having a bye week.

That would leave our league season over on the 30th July  :o with the championship 2 look forward 2 the nxt wknd. It will be a long off-season for any Div 4 teams put out in the 1st rd of the chship!! Any word yet of any sections or fixtures sorted out yet for the EDRFL?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on February 12, 2010, 04:47:21 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on February 12, 2010, 04:42:52 PM
Quote from: stpauls on February 12, 2010, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on February 12, 2010, 01:39:08 PM
Quote from: stpauls on February 12, 2010, 11:32:54 AM
i am presuming that there is a mistake in that proposed fixture list, as it states that Div 4 teams have rounds 19-22 to play, when there is only 9 teams in the league, which would mean if each team were to play each other twice, then there would only be 18 rounds of games, with 1 team having a bye every round!! am i right in saying this?

Would it not be 16 games?

yeah, we would play 16 games but we would also have 2 rounds were we don't play a game, due to having a bye week.

That would leave our league season over on the 30th July  :o with the championship 2 look forward 2 the nxt wknd. It will be a long off-season for any Div 4 teams put out in the 1st rd of the chship!! Any word yet of any sections or fixtures sorted out yet for the EDRFL?

to be honest MBK, that may not be a bad thing , with having the last 3 seasons run into October for us, it would be a welcome change!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on February 12, 2010, 06:15:22 PM
EDRFL to run paralel to ACPRL?

And I dont's see ACPRL Round 1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on February 12, 2010, 11:40:43 PM
what way are the promotion and relegation play offs working this year. Cant imagine they will be the same as last as that would leave only 8 teams in div 1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on February 13, 2010, 09:48:45 AM
Does anyone know the 9 subs for tonight's game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 13, 2010, 10:07:26 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on February 13, 2010, 09:48:45 AM
Does anyone know the 9 subs for tonight's game?

Same as last week, Declan Alder, Conor Laverty, Peter Fitzpatrick, Paul Greenan, Mark Poland, Stephen Kearney, Aidan Brannigan, Paul Murphy and Kevin Duffin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on February 14, 2010, 08:16:21 AM
Went to the match in Pairc Esler last night,great turn-out of fans with the stand full and 800-1000 supporters on the terrace side of the pitch.Down deserved their victory if only for their intensity and desire.Down began the game strongly but were pegged back to 6pts to 5 pts at half-time with an improving Meath mid-field.A couple of early Down wides in the second half and an escape when Meath got a point that might have been a goal set up a storming finish with the Down pressure payng off with late points for the win.McVeigh was assured in goal and well supported by Rafferty,Colgan and Garvey, at mid-field Ambrose had some good moments and kicked 2 brilliant points.The forwards worked tirelessly throughout,with running,tackling and score-taking all vital ingredients.Further improvement last night management/players-- Well done!! 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on February 14, 2010, 02:39:02 PM
Quote from: 13aside on February 14, 2010, 08:16:21 AM
Went to the match in Pairc Esler last night,great turn-out of fans with the stand full and 800-1000 supporters on the terrace side of the pitch.Down deserved their victory if only for their intensity and desire.Down began the game strongly but were pegged back to 6pts to 5 pts at half-time with an improving Meath mid-field.A couple of early Down wides in the second half and an escape when Meath got a point that might have been a goal set up a storming finish with the Down pressure payng off with late points for the win.McVeigh was assured in goal and well supported by Rafferty,Colgan and Garvey, at mid-field Ambrose had some good moments and kicked 2 brilliant points.The forwards worked tirelessly throughout,with running,tackling and score-taking all vital ingredients.Further improvement last night management/players-- Well done!! 

While this is true i felt we were second best at midfield last night. Kalum King is a great big strong player and its obvious why he is in there but i thought last night Fitzpatrick would have been the better option. Anyone know my McKernan came off? He was shouting to the sideline that he could last untill half time, just wondering if he picked up an injury?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on February 14, 2010, 03:10:31 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on February 12, 2010, 06:15:22 PM
EDRFL to run paralel to ACPRL?

And I dont's see ACPRL Round 1.

Last yr they both started on sun 29th march, this yr ACPRL starts on 7th march, not sure if EDRFL will start so early. Would like 2 get some definite feedback from the East Down Board with regards 2 sections + starting date so we can go ahead and organise a couple of friendlies (preferably with teams from the other section) in the 2 weeks prior to the starting date.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on February 14, 2010, 03:28:46 PM
Quote from: stpauls on February 12, 2010, 04:47:21 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on February 12, 2010, 04:42:52 PM
Quote from: stpauls on February 12, 2010, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on February 12, 2010, 01:39:08 PM
Quote from: stpauls on February 12, 2010, 11:32:54 AM
i am presuming that there is a mistake in that proposed fixture list, as it states that Div 4 teams have rounds 19-22 to play, when there is only 9 teams in the league, which would mean if each team were to play each other twice, then there would only be 18 rounds of games, with 1 team having a bye every round!! am i right in saying this?

Would it not be 16 games?

yeah, we would play 16 games but we would also have 2 rounds were we don't play a game, due to having a bye week.

That would leave our league season over on the 30th July  :o with the championship 2 look forward 2 the nxt wknd. It will be a long off-season for any Div 4 teams put out in the 1st rd of the chship!! Any word yet of any sections or fixtures sorted out yet for the EDRFL?

to be honest MBK, that may not be a bad thing , with having the last 3 seasons run into October for us, it would be a welcome change!

RE: st.pauls I think use would b hotly tipped (+ rightly so) 2 finish in the top 3 in Div 4 this yr + progress to the latter rounds of the Junior Championship. So u may be playing into October this yr again!! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on February 14, 2010, 07:50:48 PM
i see a few counties began their leagues today, i think its strange that we have to wait 7 or 8 weeks for our first league game. I seem to be in the minority but i reckon the first week of march would be an ideal time to begin the season, this years fixture program looks like being chaotic again at the end of the year, lessons never seem to be learned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on February 15, 2010, 09:59:32 PM
Point taken - so I have deleted my comment. I suggest you do likewise.

But it is out there  in the public domain now due to the Sunday World - not my post.

By the way the INM who own the Sunday World have a history of never letting the truth get in the way of a salacious story
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on February 15, 2010, 10:09:05 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on February 15, 2010, 09:59:32 PM
Point taken - so I have deleted my comment. I suggest you do likewise.

But it is out there  in the public domain now due to the Sunday World - not my post.

By the way the INM who own the Sunday World have a history of never letting the truth get in the way of a salacious story

Comment deleted TIAD
AFAIK that rag never published any story on the topic you're referring to, you ought to be careful what you post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on February 15, 2010, 10:13:12 PM
OK - I never buy or read that paper.

But I was approached by a Fermanagh Gael today who told me chapter and verse and quoted the Sunday World. Lets move on in everyones interest
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on February 15, 2010, 10:20:16 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on February 15, 2010, 10:13:12 PM
OK - I never buy or read that paper.
But I was approached by a Fermanagh Gael today who told me chapter and verse and quoted the Sunday World. Lets move on in everyones interest

Agreed, we need to focus on the positives for a change, as for the rag we are both in agreement on, after it's Northern editor got a bit of a slap outside Belfast City Hall last year, I laughed when I heard someone say that the newspaper headline should read 'sc**bag attacked by thugs'  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 17, 2010, 08:21:27 PM
Little snippet from last weeks program

John Clarke made his league debut in 2002 , over the course of the next 7 league and Championship campaigns he played in 74 out of 78 games . He notched up his 50th appearance for Down 2 weeks ago against Kildare .
Some level of consistency , long may it continue .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on February 17, 2010, 08:34:36 PM
John Clarke is definetly in the form of his life at the moment, and if that is what the break from the county scene last year done for him, lets hope it has the same effect on big Dan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 17, 2010, 08:59:07 PM
Of the current squad, Coulter has made 54 appearnaces in the league. John Clarke and Ronan Murtagh have 51 each, Ronan Sexton 46 and Danny Hughes 43.
Hughes has scored 6-86, Coulter 11-64, Murtagh 3-49, John Clarke 2-41.
Coulter is in his 10th season, Sexton his 9th and John Clarke his 8th.

Quite a good programme.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 17, 2010, 09:03:37 PM
Looking at it , it's a great scoring return from Danny Hughes 6-86 - 41 games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on February 17, 2010, 10:25:53 PM
Definatley! Great stats there! Thats what, 2points a game give or take. For a half forward, thats ok by todays standards...wonder what Martin O'Rourkes is?... ::) another half 'forward'..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 17, 2010, 10:29:30 PM
Totally different players.

Liam Doyle has scored 4-63 in 41 games. Imagine what he would have scored if he was injury free.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on February 17, 2010, 10:58:30 PM
Thats what I was getting at Trevor Hill... that Hughes is a half forwrd, and O'Rourke is a man that plays the same position only his role is that of puke football. workhorse etc, u didnt cop on to that..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 18, 2010, 12:50:58 AM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on February 17, 2010, 10:29:30 PM
Totally different players.

Liam Doyle has scored 4-63 in 41 games. Imagine what he would have scored if he was injury free.

Say a fair chunk of them would be frees. Though that said, they still have to be put over
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on February 18, 2010, 03:37:34 PM
Does anyone know where the fixtures for the season are as the Down website (Disaster that it is)  doesn't have them. I know someone has already potsed the dates of games on here but I mean the actual fixtures
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on February 18, 2010, 03:59:16 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on February 18, 2010, 03:37:34 PM
Does anyone know where the fixtures for the season are as the Down website (Disaster that it is)  doesn't have them. I know someone has already potsed the dates of games on here but I mean the actual fixtures

what division? DownFanatic posted all the fixtures for the divisions a couple of pages back!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on February 18, 2010, 05:09:15 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on February 18, 2010, 03:37:34 PM
Does anyone know where the fixtures for the season are as the Down website (Disaster that it is)   doesn't have them. I know someone has already potsed the dates of games on here but I mean the actual fixtures

The reason the fixtures haven't been posted on the Website is because they haven't been ratified by the clubs yet, which will take place tonight at a Co. Committee meeting. As for the website being a disaster, I think you're are away off the mark there. A lot of interesting articles have been posted on the Site as of late, and the articles that have been posted have been up to date and relevant.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 18, 2010, 06:05:21 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on February 18, 2010, 03:37:34 PM
Does anyone know where the fixtures for the season are as the Down website (Disaster that it is)  doesn't have them. I know someone has already potsed the dates of games on here but I mean the actual fixtures

Why in your opinion is it such a disaster?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 18, 2010, 10:01:57 PM
They must be re-jigging the Down website at the moment. Only 3 options are available on the main panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on February 21, 2010, 06:33:58 PM
Burren Ulster U21 champions. :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 22, 2010, 11:25:34 AM
Well done Burren. Is that 3 county titles in a row at that age?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on February 22, 2010, 01:29:06 PM
Dawson will be under a lot of pressure this year to win trophies!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on February 22, 2010, 04:46:14 PM
Does anyone have the Div 3 and All County Football Minor League fixtures handy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 22, 2010, 04:54:17 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on February 22, 2010, 04:46:14 PM
Does anyone have the Div 3 and All County Football Minor League fixtures handy?

Division 3

Round One

Glenn   v   Bredagh   
Dundrum   v   St Johns   
Drumgath   v   Glasdrumman   
Drumaness   v   Carryduff   
Ardglass   v   St John Bosco   
Saul   v   Daragh Cross   



Round  Two

Bredagh   v   Dundrum   
St Johns   v   Glenn   
Glasdrumman   v   Drumaness   
Carryduff   v   Drumgath   
St John Bosco   v   Saul   
Daragh Cross   v   Ardglass   



Round Three   

Glenn   v   Glasdrumman   
Dundrum   v   Carryduff   
Drumaness   v   Daragh Cross   
Drumgath   v   St John Bosco   
Ardglass   v   Bredagh   
Saul   v   St Johns   



Round Four

Bredagh   v   Drumgath   
St Johns   v   Drumaness   
Glasdrumman   v   Ardglass   
Carryduff   v   Saul   
St John Bosco   v   Glenn   
Daragh Cross   v   Dundrum   




Round Five

Saul   v   Glasdrumman   
Glenn   v   Carryduff   
Dundrum   v   St John Bosco   
Drumgath   v   Daragh Cross   
Drumaness   v   Bredagh   
Ardglass   v   St Johns   




Round Six

Bredagh   v   Saul   
St Johns   v   Drumgath   
Glasdrumman   v   Dundrum   
Carryduff   v   Ardglass   
St John Bosco   v   Drumaness   
Daragh Cross   v   Glenn   







Round Seven

Ardglass   v   Drumaness   
Drumgath   v   Dundrum   
Glenn   v   Saul   
St John Bosco   v   Carryduff   
Glasdrumman   v   St Johns   
Bredagh   v   Daragh Cross   




Round Eight

Dundrum   v   Ardglass   
Daragh Cross   v   Glasdrumman   
St Johns   v   St John Bosco   
Drumaness   v   Glenn   
Saul   v   Drumgath   
Carryduff   v   Bredagh   




Round Nine

Glenn   v   Dundrum   
Ardglass   v   Drumgath   
Drumaness   v   Saul   
Bredagh   v   St Johns   
Glasdrumman   v   St John Bosco   
Carryduff   v   Daragh Cross   



Round Ten

Drumgath   v   Glenn   
Ardglass   v   Saul   
Dundrum   v   Drumaness   
Glasdrumman   v   Bredagh   
St Johns   v   Carryduff   
St John Bosco   v   Daragh Cross   




Round Eleven

Saul   v   Dundrum   
Glenn   v   Ardglass   
Drumaness   v   Drumgath   
Daragh Cross   v   St Johns   
Bredagh   v   St John Bosco   
Carryduff   v   Glasdrumman
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on February 22, 2010, 06:12:39 PM
Cheers DownFanatic. Do you know where I could get the minor fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 23, 2010, 12:55:20 PM
Well done to Burren.  One of Mayobridge's finest Burren men predicted a senior Ulster within two years in Grants on Sunday night!  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 23, 2010, 01:25:03 PM
DOWN'S All-Ireland winning squad of 1960 met up on Friday for a day of reminiscing and banter, all recorded by BBC Television.

The 1960 side were the first to bring Sam across the border and the BBC decided to do a programme to commemorate that 50-year milestone.

The team met at St Colman's College, where they also met in 1960, to re-enact the journey to Croke Park.

Then, and on Friday, the team bus was given a police escort to the border.

Then it was on Croke Park where each player was presented with a 1960 type Down jersey and they also were addressed by the GAA president Christy Cooney.

Newry Shamrock's man Ed Burns, a member of that legendary Down squad, told the Democrat: "It was a great day that brought back some great memories. It was lovely to meet up with old team-mates again and reminisce about times gone by."

The programme goes out on BBC Television on March 31.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on February 23, 2010, 01:47:57 PM
Quote from: amallon on February 23, 2010, 12:55:20 PM
Well done to Burren.  One of Mayobridge's finest Burren men predicted a senior Ulster within two years in Grants on Sunday night!  :o

Oisin McConville thinks they will dominate Down football for the next ten years as well!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 23, 2010, 03:55:24 PM
Maybe Oisin is related to the boys who were making the predictions in the pub over the weekend!  Same surname anyways!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 23, 2010, 08:49:14 PM
Burren are producing a lot of good footballers these days, but very few exceptional ones.

I would think they might have to do a Kilcoo and wait it out for a few more years before winning a SFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on February 23, 2010, 08:52:41 PM
I agree they have had a lot of very good underage teams, but i dont think many of the players coming through have what it takes to play senior football just yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 23, 2010, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on February 23, 2010, 01:47:57 PM
Quote from: amallon on February 23, 2010, 12:55:20 PM
Well done to Burren.  One of Mayobridge's finest Burren men predicted a senior Ulster within two years in Grants on Sunday night!  :o

Oisin McConville thinks they will dominate Down football for the next ten years as well!!!
Obviously don't get as much exposure to division one football as I would like, but, would I be right in saying at present Mayobridge, KIlcoo and Bryansford would rank above Burren?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 23, 2010, 10:13:35 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on February 23, 2010, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on February 23, 2010, 01:47:57 PM
Quote from: amallon on February 23, 2010, 12:55:20 PM
Well done to Burren.  One of Mayobridge's finest Burren men predicted a senior Ulster within two years in Grants on Sunday night!  :o

Oisin McConville thinks they will dominate Down football for the next ten years as well!!!
Obviously don't get as much exposure to division one football as I would like, but, would I be right in saying at present Mayobridge, KIlcoo and Bryansford would rank above Burren?

You would be correct on that one. Burren are a top 4 team and are hard to beat on their day but have had limited success at senior level in the last decade claiming one league title.  They have done great at under 20/21 level in the last 4 years but havent reached a senior championship final since 2006. It must be remembered they are the one Down club who take the under 20 competition very seriously with some other top clubs not entering in recent years, albiet for obvious reasons when their senior teams are competing in Ulster. They deserve credit for Sundays brilliant success but Oisin McConnville made a big prediction saying they will dominate for next ten years. They have not won a minor title since 1997 or competed in a final and have been way behind Rostrevor in particular at underage level in South Down. So although they are there or there abouts, until they start winning minor and senior championships they wont get recognition. Until last year i knew too well the feeling off having plenty off success at underage, premier reserve and in division one with the big one left behind on a too regular basis. So time will tell if Burren will dominate and the under 20 successes' will be off less value unless they can translate them into senior glory which im sure Burren people will agree with.
They have the talent individually so the next two years will be crucial under Dawson.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 23, 2010, 10:25:50 PM
An Riocht would rank higher than Burren IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 23, 2010, 11:25:20 PM
MDG mentioned Rostrevor there. They were one of the strongest clubs throughout the noughties in the county in regards to underage silverware. However, they have done diddly squat in terms of Senior football in the past while.

The 2010 SFC is going to be very interesting. The Bridge will be chomping at the bit to get back to the big time and Id say they have a hunger in them like never before. Kilcoo will be going all out to defend their title. Burren's recent Ulster win may kickstart their progression aligned to the fact that Dawson will bring a freshness to the setup. The Ford will always be knocking about and you can can never rule out the Stone who are a better team than people give them credit for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on February 24, 2010, 12:16:16 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 23, 2010, 10:13:35 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on February 23, 2010, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on February 23, 2010, 01:47:57 PM
Quote from: amallon on February 23, 2010, 12:55:20 PM
Well done to Burren.  One of Mayobridge's finest Burren men predicted a senior Ulster within two years in Grants on Sunday night!  :o

Oisin McConville thinks they will dominate Down football for the next ten years as well!!!
Obviously don't get as much exposure to division one football as I would like, but, would I be right in saying at present Mayobridge, KIlcoo and Bryansford would rank above Burren?

You would be correct on that one. Burren are a top 4 team and are hard to beat on their day but have had limited success at senior level in the last decade claiming one league title.  They have done great at under 20/21 level in the last 4 years but havent reached a senior championship final since 2006. It must be remembered they are the one Down club who take the under 20 competition very seriously with some other top clubs not entering in recent years, albiet for obvious reasons when their senior teams are competing in Ulster. They deserve credit for Sundays brilliant success but Oisin McConnville made a big prediction saying they will dominate for next ten years. They have not won a minor title since 1997 or competed in a final and have been way behind Rostrevor in particular at underage level in South Down. So although they are there or there abouts, until they start winning minor and senior championships they wont get recognition. Until last year i knew too well the feeling off having plenty off success at underage, premier reserve and in division one with the big one left behind on a too regular basis. So time will tell if Burren will dominate and the under 20 successes' will be off less value unless they can translate them into senior glory which im sure Burren people will agree with.
They have the talent individually so the next two years will be crucial under Dawson.

MDG Mayobridge best Burren in the 1997 minor final ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 24, 2010, 09:37:33 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on February 24, 2010, 12:16:16 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 23, 2010, 10:13:35 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on February 23, 2010, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on February 23, 2010, 01:47:57 PM
Quote from: amallon on February 23, 2010, 12:55:20 PM
Well done to Burren.  One of Mayobridge's finest Burren men predicted a senior Ulster within two years in Grants on Sunday night!  :o

Oisin McConville thinks they will dominate Down football for the next ten years as well!!!
Obviously don't get as much exposure to division one football as I would like, but, would I be right in saying at present Mayobridge, KIlcoo and Bryansford would rank above Burren?

You would be correct on that one. Burren are a top 4 team and are hard to beat on their day but have had limited success at senior level in the last decade claiming one league title.  They have done great at under 20/21 level in the last 4 years but havent reached a senior championship final since 2006. It must be remembered they are the one Down club who take the under 20 competition very seriously with some other top clubs not entering in recent years, albiet for obvious reasons when their senior teams are competing in Ulster. They deserve credit for Sundays brilliant success but Oisin McConnville made a big prediction saying they will dominate for next ten years. They have not won a minor title since 1997 or competed in a final and have been way behind Rostrevor in particular at underage level in South Down. So although they are there or there abouts, until they start winning minor and senior championships they wont get recognition. Until last year i knew too well the feeling off having plenty off success at underage, premier reserve and in division one with the big one left behind on a too regular basis. So time will tell if Burren will dominate and the under 20 successes' will be off less value unless they can translate them into senior glory which im sure Burren people will agree with.
They have the talent individually so the next two years will be crucial under Dawson.

MDG Mayobridge best Burren in the 1997 minor final ;)

Did Burren win it in 1996? i mind Ciaran Byrne, Ciaran Doyle, Eddie Murtagh and Paudie Bradley being on the Burren minor side that where also on their senior panel on the same day. Maybe that was 1997. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 24, 2010, 01:02:42 PM
I think Clonduff won the MFC in 1994, 1995 and 1996. 5-6 players would've played in all three finals.

Kilcoo won it in 1998 or 1999. An Riocht won 3 in a row around the start of the decade.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on February 24, 2010, 02:13:25 PM
Down MFC winners
1990 Burren
1991 Ballyholland
1992 Rostrevor
1993 Clonduff
1994 Clonduff
1995 Clonduff
1996 Burren
1997 Mayobridge
1998 Kilcoo
1999 Mayobridge
2000 An Riocht
2001-An Riocht
2002-Newry Bosco
2003-Rostrevor
2004-Rostrevor
2005-Rostrevor



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 24, 2010, 04:21:08 PM
Quote from: umpire on February 24, 2010, 02:13:25 PM
Down MFC winners
1990 Burren
1991 Ballyholland
1992 Rostrevor
1993 Clonduff
1994 Clonduff
1995 Clonduff
1996 Burren
1997 Mayobridge
1998 Kilcoo
1999 Mayobridge
2000 An Riocht
2001-An Riocht
2002-Newry Bosco
2003-Rostrevor
2004-Rostrevor
2005-Rostrevor

2006 - Castlewellen
2007 - Rostrevor
2008 -
2009 - Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on February 24, 2010, 05:26:20 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 24, 2010, 04:21:08 PM
Quote from: umpire on February 24, 2010, 02:13:25 PM
Down MFC winners
1990 Burren
1991 Ballyholland
1992 Rostrevor
1993 Clonduff
1994 Clonduff
1995 Clonduff
1996 Burren
1997 Mayobridge
1998 Kilcoo
1999 Mayobridge
2000 An Riocht
2001-An Riocht
2002-Newry Bosco
2003-Rostrevor
2004-Rostrevor
2005-Rostrevor

2006 - Castlewellen
2007 - Rostrevor
2008 -
2009 - Kilcoo
2008 - Mayobridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on February 25, 2010, 12:04:55 PM
Quote from: No hoper on February 24, 2010, 05:26:20 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 24, 2010, 04:21:08 PM
Quote from: umpire on February 24, 2010, 02:13:25 PM
Down MFC winners
1990 Burren
1991 Ballyholland
1992 Rostrevor
1993 Clonduff
1994 Clonduff
1995 Clonduff
1996 Burren
1997 Mayobridge
1998 Kilcoo
1999 Mayobridge
2000 An Riocht
2001-An Riocht
2002-Newry Bosco
2003-Rostrevor
2004-Rostrevor
2005-Rostrevor

2006 - Castlewellen
2007 - Rostrevor
2008 -
2009 - Kilcoo
2008 - Mayobridge


slight advantage there to the south down clubs!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 25, 2010, 03:32:23 PM
Its all dependant on the weather at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on February 25, 2010, 03:33:08 PM
Pairc Esler?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 25, 2010, 03:49:13 PM
Casement Park.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 25, 2010, 09:28:14 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on February 25, 2010, 02:33:53 PM
Any of our Down posters confirm that Down are playing Antrim tonight in a friendly?

Antrim 2-16 Down 2-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 26, 2010, 12:28:37 AM
There will be Bonfires in the Glens tonight, god help them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: twice is nice on February 27, 2010, 05:31:21 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on February 23, 2010, 01:47:57 PM
Quote from: amallon on February 23, 2010, 12:55:20 PM
Well done to Burren.  One of Mayobridge's finest Burren men predicted a senior Ulster within two years in Grants on Sunday night!  :o

Oisin McConville thinks they will dominate Down football for the next ten years as well!!!

still, any silverware at provincial level is welcomed, surely you would agree with that!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 01, 2010, 01:25:09 AM
Quote from: twice is nice on February 27, 2010, 05:31:21 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on February 23, 2010, 01:47:57 PM
Quote from: amallon on February 23, 2010, 12:55:20 PM
Well done to Burren.  One of Mayobridge's finest Burren men predicted a senior Ulster within two years in Grants on Sunday night!  :o

Oisin McConville thinks they will dominate Down football for the next ten years as well!!!

still, any silverware at provincial level is welcomed, surely you would agree with that!!!

Of course, sure its great to see St Marys Clonallen back winning trophies again ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on March 01, 2010, 09:45:31 AM
T O'Hare is obviously jealous that when Burren get to Ulster finals - they actually know how to win them.  Cant say that about his mayobridge side - or should he be associated with Clonduff like his dad was?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 01, 2010, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: alba2 on March 01, 2010, 09:45:31 AM
T O'Hare is obviously jealous that when Burren get to Ulster finals - they actually know how to win them.  Cant say that about his mayobridge side - or should he be associated with Clonduff like his dad was?????
::)

I have congratulated Burren!!! Not jealous at all!!! Fair play to them!!! It will make Down football more interesting!!!

Yes you should associate me with Clonduff, maybe a could get a game for your seniors ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on March 01, 2010, 02:10:29 PM
well ya just might get a game there alright - saying as ya cant get one for your own club...  :P :P :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 02, 2010, 12:18:37 PM
does anyone know when the south down reserve leagues kick off or have a fixture list
Title: EDRFL
Post by: No1 on March 02, 2010, 01:00:13 PM
Anyone have the same for the East Down Reserve League?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on March 02, 2010, 06:02:02 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 02, 2010, 12:18:37 PM
does anyone know when the south down reserve leagues kick off or have a fixture list

Does anyone have any South Down fixtures??????

I got an e-mail today informing me that as section C has 10 teams in the under 14 league, they were going to have to start leagues early and our first game will be on Sunday 21st March. Have to start early???? heaven forbid young fellas in the county got to play football for a proper season, no instead in south Down leagues are run off as quickly as possible, seemingly to get them out of the way. And then people wonder why teams struggle to entice lads away from soccer, absolute joke!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 02, 2010, 09:51:38 PM
Houl back a wee second Superstar and have a think about what you're saying.

It isn't possible to have evening fixtures apart from between mid-April to mid-September.

Given u-8, u-10, u-14, u-16, minor, reserve and senior, I'd like you to count the number of clubs in Down that have pitches capable of supporting 4-5 games a weekend in Spring or Autumn, as well as the training that should go along with those matches. For simplicity, we'll not even bother with Hurling, Camogie or Ladies GAA.

GAA administrators have no choice but to run leagues off as early as possible. For you can guarantee that once the clubs get involved, there'll be postponements every drop of the hat, and they'll be sitting in mid-October with half the clubs not interested anymore and the other half unable to host matches. Nevermind players having school commitments at that time of year.


When floodlights and G4 pitches are as common as in the GAA as the bemoaners and the begrudgers currently are, your frankly pointless tirade might hold some water.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on March 02, 2010, 10:05:45 PM
congrats to st.colemans tonight as they won their semi-final of this years McCrory cup.They got off to a blistering start with two goals but were pegged back to level terms at the break.A good last 15 mins saw them safley through by 2:09 to 1:08.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on March 02, 2010, 11:07:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 02, 2010, 09:51:38 PM
Houl back a wee second Superstar and have a think about what you're saying.

It isn't possible to have evening fixtures apart from between mid-April to mid-September.

Given u-8, u-10, u-14, u-16, minor, reserve and senior, I'd like you to count the number of clubs in Down that have pitches capable of supporting 4-5 games a weekend in Spring or Autumn, as well as the training that should go along with those matches. For simplicity, we'll not even bother with Hurling, Camogie or Ladies GAA.

GAA administrators have no choice but to run leagues off as early as possible. For you can guarantee that once the clubs get involved, there'll be postponements every drop of the hat, and they'll be sitting in mid-October with half the clubs not interested anymore and the other half unable to host matches. Nevermind players having school commitments at that time of year.


When floodlights and G4 pitches are as common as in the GAA as the bemoaners and the begrudgers currently are, your frankly pointless tirade might hold some water.


Well as under 8's and 10's have no league structures and will not be using pitches  for games in the evening time during the week we can take them out of your arguement, under 12's play on a sunday morning, so no call to include them either and reserves also play on a sunday so no need to worry about them uisng pitches in the evenings either.

As you pointed out we can only really use our pitches at night from mid april to mid september, fair enough point, i totally agree, but what we are talking baout here is one division being started early to get it run off as soon as possible as i have said. Now consider this, last year despite numerous games being postponed all over the place, the final game in south down under 14 section c was played between Clann na Banna and Glasdsrumman on Tuesday 4th August. So therefore by youre own admission 6 weeks shy of when the leagues could possibly go on to. In that case why would the board see fit to decide that the section needs to be started early to get the first two rounds fitted in when we have 6 weeks to spare at the other end?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 02, 2010, 11:20:20 PM
QuoteWell as under 8's and 10's have no league structures and will not be using pitches  for games in the evening time during the week we can take them out of your arguement, under 12's play on a sunday morning, so no call to include them either and reserves also play on a sunday so no need to worry about them uisng pitches in the evenings either.
But this is my point star. U-12s and Reserves (sometimes 2 teams) are already out at the weekends. To stretch the juvenile football season would mean more teams again playing at weekends in March, September and October. This isn't feasible for most club grounds.


Regarding the 4th August end to ED u-14 leagues, I can't really understand why that happened. It is too early. I'm pretty sure all the Juvenile leagues our club were involved in went onto September (but I'm probably wrong!)

But I imagine that u-14 Championship action, tournament/feis action and the ever-increasing need for nights for Senior Championship fixtures probably filled a lot of the void.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 03, 2010, 09:24:36 AM
so nobody has a set of fixtures for south down reserve leagues then or even a breakdown of the league and teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 03, 2010, 02:08:21 PM
Anyone know much about the under 21 team this year?
Cannot believe our senior full back of last season, Brian King, has not even made the panel (to date)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on March 03, 2010, 02:38:39 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 02, 2010, 11:20:20 PM
QuoteWell as under 8's and 10's have no league structures and will not be using pitches  for games in the evening time during the week we can take them out of your arguement, under 12's play on a sunday morning, so no call to include them either and reserves also play on a sunday so no need to worry about them uisng pitches in the evenings either.
But this is my point star. U-12s and Reserves (sometimes 2 teams) are already out at the weekends. To stretch the juvenile football season would mean more teams again playing at weekends in March, September and October. This isn't feasible for most club grounds.


Regarding the 4th August end to ED u-14 leagues, I can't really understand why that happened. It is too early. I'm pretty sure all the Juvenile leagues our club were involved in went onto September (but I'm probably wrong!)

But I imagine that u-14 Championship action, tournament/feis action and the ever-increasing need for nights for Senior Championship fixtures probably filled a lot of the void.

That's SD u14 league.In ED u14 "A" league last year we had 7 league matches in total.We also had only 2 championship matches.Giving us no competitive football for 85% of weeks in the year.
I don't accept your argument wobbler,we have access to only 1 pitch, have 12 teams,and is often used by schools and county teams.The pitch wear caused by u14 matches in spring/summer is negligible-especially since training and drills often take more out of a pitch than matches.

The semi-rigid fixture list associated with the AC structure in ACFL and ACPRFL in providing football from March to October,though imperfect-should be achievable  for all other teams.
I would advocate a scenario whereby the divisional boards aim to provide weekly football at an appropriate level for all clubs (13-a-side C leagues,if necessary) ,and when u12,u14,u16,u18 leagues and championship complete,introduce u11,u13,u15,and ?u17 leagues in August/September-25 minutes only each way to allow underage midweek matches to extend in to September.This would mean that in any calender year all kids get a chance to play regardless of their age group.This would ensure very few players slip through the GAA net.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 03, 2010, 02:45:23 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on March 03, 2010, 02:08:21 PM
Anyone know much about the under 21 team this year?
Cannot believe our senior full back of last season, Brian King, has not even made the panel (to date)

They were beat in the Shamrock Cup Final by Monaghan afaik. They had previously beaten Tyrone and Antrim to get that far.

Brian King should be on the panel. Was also suprised at the omission of Gerard McAnulty from St Johns. One of the best players Id seen in action last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 03, 2010, 03:01:37 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 03, 2010, 02:45:23 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on March 03, 2010, 02:08:21 PM
Anyone know much about the under 21 team this year?
Cannot believe our senior full back of last season, Brian King, has not even made the panel (to date)

They were beat in the Shamrock Cup Final by Monaghan afaik. They had previously beaten Tyrone and Antrim to get that far.

Brian King should be on the panel. Was also suprised at the omission of Gerard McAnulty from St Johns. One of the best players Id seen in action last year.

Gerard McAnulty is now onto the panel. Was at the game on Sunday and Down where awful. Collins decided to use players who hadnt yet featured in earlier games instead off picking his strongest side. Basically he was still trialing squad members.  In my view Ryan Mallon and Brian King should be included. I believe Sundays result would have been closer with the likes off Paul Devlin, Damian Turley, Barry Kane, Kieran Gordan, Ryan Boyle, Sean Murdock and Ryan McGovern on from the start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on March 03, 2010, 09:07:32 PM
Drumaness Minors looking a friendly, No pitch at the minute so will travel.

Get in Touch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on March 03, 2010, 09:19:04 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 03, 2010, 09:24:36 AM
so nobody has a set of fixtures for south down reserve leagues then or even a breakdown of the league and teams

Fixtures to be released in the next couple of days apparently
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on March 03, 2010, 10:28:12 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 03, 2010, 09:24:36 AM
so nobody has a set of fixtures for south down reserve leagues then or even a breakdown of the league and teams

McAvoy Construction LLP

Reserve League Fixtures Section A

Round One
Glassdrumman         v         Longstone    
Shamrocks         v         Rostrevor    
St Michaels         v         Glenn    
Burren    Bye                   


Round Two
Glenn         v         Burren    
Rostrevor         v         St Michaels    
Longstone         v         Shamrocks    
Glassdrumman    Bye                   


Round Three
Shamrocks         v         Glassdrumman    
St Michaels         v         Longstone    
Burren         v         Rostrevor    
Glenn    Bye                   


Round Four
Rostrevor         v         Glenn    
Longstone         v         Burren    
Glassdrumman         v         St Michaels    
Shamrocks    Bye                   


Round Five
St Michaels         v         Shamrocks    
Burren         v         Glassdrumman    
Glenn         v         Longstone    
Rostrevor    Bye                   


Round Six
Longstone         v         Rostrevor    
Glassdrumman         v         Glenn    
Shamrocks         v         Burren    
St Michaels    Bye                   


Round Seven
Burren         v         St Michaels    
Glenn         v         Shamrocks    
Rostrevor         v         Glassdrumman    
Longstone    Bye                   



Round Eight
Longstone         v         Glassdrumman    
Rostrevor         v         Shamrocks    
Glenn         v         St Michaels    
Burren    Bye                   


Round Nine
Burren         v         Glenn    
St Michaels         v         Rostrevor    
Shamrocks         v         Longstone    
Glassdrumman    Bye                   






Round Ten
Glassdrumman         v         Shamrocks    
Longstone         v         St Michaels    
Rostrevor         v         Burren    
Glenn    Bye                   


Round Eleven
Glenn         v         Rostrevor    
Burren         v         Longstone    
  St Michaels         v         Glassdrumman    
Shamrocks    Bye                   


Round Twelve
Shamrocks         v         St Michaels    
Glassdrumman         v         Burren    
Longstone         v         Glenn    
Rostrevor    Bye                   


RoundThirteen
Rostrevor         v         Longstone    
Glenn         v         Glassdrumman    
Burren         v         Shamrocks    
St Michaels    Bye                   


Round Fourteen
St Michaels         v         Burren    
Shamrocks         v         Glenn    
Glassdrumman         v         Rostrevor    
Longstone    Bye              
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on March 03, 2010, 10:29:01 PM
McAvoy Construction LLP

Reserve League Fixtures Section B

Round One
Mitchels         v         Bosco    
Drumgath         v         Clonduff    
An Riocht         v         Warrenpoint    
Mayobridge    Bye                   


Round Two
Warrenpoint         v         Mayobridge    
Clonduff         v         An Riocht    
Bosco         v         Drumgath    
Mitchels    Bye                   


Round Three
Drumgath         v         Mitchels    
An Riocht         v         Bosco    
Mayobridge         v         Clonduff    
Warrenpoint    Bye                   


Round Four
Clonduff         v         Warrenpoint    
Bosco         v         Mayobridge    
Mitchels         v         An Riocht    
Drumgath    Bye                   


Round Five
An Riocht         v         Drumgath    
Mayobridge         v         Mitchels    
Warrenpoint         v         Bosco    
Clonduff    Bye                   


Round Six
Bosco         v         Clonduff    
Mitchels         v         Warrenpoint    
Drumgath         v         Mayobridge    
An Riocht    Bye                   


Round Seven
Mayobridge         v         An Riocht    
Warrenpoint         v         Drumgath    
Clonduff         v         Mitchels    
Bosco    Bye                   



Round Eight
Bosco         v         Mitchels    
Clonduff         v         Drumgath    
Warrenpoint         v         An Riocht    
Mayobridge    Bye                   


Round Nine
Mayobridge         v         Warrenpoint    
An Riocht         v         Clonduff    
Drumgath         v         Bosco    
Mitchels    Bye                   





Round Ten
Mitchels         v         Drumgath    
Bosco         v         An Riocht    
Clonduff         v         Mayobridge    
Warrenpoint    Bye                   


Round Eleven
Warrenpoint         v         Clonduff    
Mayobridge         v         Bosco    
An Riocht         v         Mitchels    
Drumgath    Bye                   


Round Twelve
Drumgath         v         An Riocht    
Mitchels         v         Mayobridge    
Bosco         v         Warrenpoint    
Clonduff    Bye                   


RoundThirteen
Clonduff         v         Bosco    
Warrenpoint         v         Mitchels    
Mayobridge         v         Drumgath    
An Riocht    Bye                   


Round Fourteen
An Riocht         v         Mayobridge    
Drumgath         v         Warrenpoint    
Mitchels         v         Clonduff    
Bosco    Bye                   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: townof12 on March 04, 2010, 08:49:26 PM
congratulations to st. mark's u-14 squad who won the ulster today (mc devitt cup).  It's their 1st ulster in 13 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 05, 2010, 12:12:04 PM
According to Hogan Stand, Conor Laverty replaces Danny Hughes against Tipperary but the team is otherwise unchanged. I think Kearney or Poland might have been closer to the role which Hughes has been providing, but Laverty has done well as an impact sub. As long as he behaves himself, we should be in reasonable shape.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 05, 2010, 03:16:24 PM
Daniel is best man for Ronan Sexton who is getting married tomorrow.

Down (NFL v Tipperary) - Brendan McVeigh, Daniel McCartan, Brendan McArdle, Damien Rafferty, Kevin McKernan, James Colgan, Conor Garvey, Ambrose Rodgers, Kalum King, Conor Maginn, Martin Clarke, Paul McComiskey, Conor Laverty, John Clarke, Brendan Coulter.

Subs - Declan Alder, Aidan Brannigan, Stephen Kearney, Peter Fitzpatrick, Paul Greenan, Mark Poland, James McGovern, Gerard McCartan, Mark Doran.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 05, 2010, 04:12:16 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on March 05, 2010, 03:16:24 PM
Daniel is best man for Ronan Sexton who is getting married tomorrow.

Down (NFL v Tipperary) - Brendan McVeigh, Daniel McCartan, Brendan McArdle, Damien Rafferty, Kevin McKernan, James Colgan, Conor Garvey, Ambrose Rodgers, Kalum King, Conor Maginn, Martin Clarke, Paul McComiskey, Conor Laverty, John Clarke, Brendan Coulter.

Subs - Declan Alder, Aidan Brannigan, Stephen Kearney, Peter Fitzpatrick, Paul Greenan, Mark Poland, James McGovern, Gerard McCartan, Mark Doran.

Never like seeing McComiskey at wing half. He's not half as effective out there as he is in the corner. James must be confident in the full forward line getting the scores tomorrow night as Id expect Maginn and McComiskey will be doing a lot of donkey work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on March 05, 2010, 06:55:09 PM
Even in div 3 mccommisky is a much bigger threat in the ff line. Having said that dundrum are the most cliched "one man team" you will ever meet, they would be candidates for relegation this year only for him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 05, 2010, 07:31:00 PM
Quote from: down desperado on March 05, 2010, 06:55:09 PM
Even in div 3 mccommisky is a much bigger threat in the ff line. Having said that dundrum are the most cliched "one man team" you will ever meet, they would be candidates for relegation this year only for him.

runs for cover waiting for response from some of our Dundrum posters
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on March 05, 2010, 07:40:44 PM
Their next best player must be close to 40, having said that we always seem to struggle in dundrum its a bit of a bogey ground. But i would expect dundrum to finish in the bottom half of div 3 this year and without mccommisky they would be no better than drumaness or teconnaught.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 06, 2010, 04:43:07 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 05, 2010, 07:31:00 PM
Quote from: down desperado on March 05, 2010, 06:55:09 PM
Even in div 3 mccommisky is a much bigger threat in the ff line. Having said that dundrum are the most cliched "one man team" you will ever meet, they would be candidates for relegation this year only for him.

runs for cover waiting for response from some of our Dundrum posters

Would never even dream of it Square Ball  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 06, 2010, 07:37:27 PM
Wont make the game tonight lads so if anyone would be kind enough to post the odd score I'd be grateful....Ta
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on March 06, 2010, 08:10:47 PM
Half time:

Tipp 1-6

Down 0-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 06, 2010, 08:22:59 PM
Thanks DP. Keep her lit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dangerous Person on March 06, 2010, 08:37:54 PM
Tipp 1-7

Down 0-11

10mins into 2nd half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 06, 2010, 09:04:01 PM
Down 0.14 Tipp 1.11 ft
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on March 06, 2010, 09:17:40 PM
McCartan out ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on March 06, 2010, 09:25:24 PM
Quote from: umpire on March 06, 2010, 09:04:01 PM
Down 0.14 Tipp 1.11 ft


That scoreline will suit McCartan, too much hype over first two games! Still never lost, might have lost them games previously! People have to be realistic about Down. Although saying that the new management team seems to have them playing better. Two tough games up next, hope we can win at least one of them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Carbery on March 06, 2010, 10:00:40 PM
Quote from: umpire on March 06, 2010, 09:04:01 PM
Down 0.14 Tipp 1.11 ft

Is this not a hurling result?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on March 06, 2010, 10:10:07 PM
Quote from: Carbery on March 06, 2010, 10:00:40 PM
Quote from: umpire on March 06, 2010, 09:04:01 PM
Down 0.14 Tipp 1.11 ft

Is this not a hurling result?
No Down hurlers would be used to posting a bigger score against such opposition :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 06, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
Bad resullt for Down tonight. A team with Downs ambition should be able to get two league points against Tipp. At times tonight we where ran ragged. Brendy McVeigh had an unconvincing night between the posts while our defencive problems from recent times where again evident. Ambrose battled gamely at midfield with little support from either partner. The two Clarkes and Laverty played well up front and how Laverty was subtituted ahead off the ineffective McComiskey and Coulter is baffling. It was a bad point to drop tonight and much improvement is needed ahead off two difficult ties against Armagh and Donegal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 06, 2010, 10:25:44 PM
Strange performance from Down.Started off like all-stars and the forwards looked like having a field day. While the defence and midfield weren't bad, complacency or something set in when we went 7-2 up.Benny missed a sitter while Laverty used his brains well to record 3 from play. They pegged it back , mostly from frees and helped by a shocking clearance from Mc Veigh.The goal was a poor one to concede - the players disputed it had crossed the line but it left Down unbelievably behind at the break.Thought Calum King was unlucky to go off as he is a solid player and one tackle in particular was first class- Fitzpatrick didn't do a whole pile despite having a swagger about him and Ambrose played in fits and starts. The Clarkes were super throughout and Tipp were a physical team who probably should have got at least one red in the middle of the half dozen yellows throughout. Brendy Mc Veigh was fartin about again in the second half and was lucky not to have been punished more heavily- however, we should have polished them off going 3 up with a minute to go. The ref gave them a fair bit in the last few minutes and ironically, when he did give us a free, Marty, of all people, didn't have the composure to hold possession and their free taker kept his cool despite the booing to record the draw.
As BL said, maybe a wake up call as next week is critical, not just for the points at stake.
Was the last sub Gerard Mc Cartan as it certainly wasn't Ronan Murtagh ?Also, Tally and Jerome seem to call a lot of the shots tonight- I would rather have Mc Iver in a tight game like that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 06, 2010, 10:48:16 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 06, 2010, 10:25:44 PM
Strange performance from Down.Started off like all-stars and the forwards looked like having a field day. While the defence and midfield weren't bad, complacency or something set in when we went 7-2 up.Benny missed a sitter while Laverty used his brains well to record 3 from play. They pegged it back , mostly from frees and helped by a shocking clearance from Mc Veigh.The goal was a poor one to concede - the players disputed it had crossed the line but it left Down unbelievably behind at the break.Thought Calum King was unlucky to go off as he is a solid player and one tackle in particular was first class- Fitzpatrick didn't do a whole pile despite having a swagger about him and Ambrose played in fits and starts. The Clarkes were super throughout and Tipp were a physical team who probably should have got at least one red in the middle of the half dozen yellows throughout. Brendy Mc Veigh was fartin about again in the second half and was lucky not to have been punished more heavily- however, we should have polished them off going 3 up with a minute to go. The ref gave them a fair bit in the last few minutes and ironically, when he did give us a free, Marty, of all people, didn't have the composure to hold possession and their free taker kept his cool despite the booing to record the draw.
As BL said, maybe a wake up call as next week is critical, not just for the points at stake.
Was the last sub Gerard Mc Cartan as it certainly wasn't Ronan Murtagh ?Also, Tally and Jerome seem to call a lot of the shots tonight- I would rather have Mc Iver in a tight game like that.

Yeah McIvor was missed along the line tonight. How Gerard McCartan got a run on a Down senior team il never know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on March 06, 2010, 11:00:28 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 06, 2010, 10:25:44 PM
Strange performance from Down.Started off like all-stars and the forwards looked like having a field day. While the defence and midfield weren't bad, complacency or something set in when we went 7-2 up.Benny missed a sitter while Laverty used his brains well to record 3 from play. They pegged it back , mostly from frees and helped by a shocking clearance from Mc Veigh.The goal was a poor one to concede - the players disputed it had crossed the line but it left Down unbelievably behind at the break.Thought Calum King was unlucky to go off as he is a solid player and one tackle in particular was first class- Fitzpatrick didn't do a whole pile despite having a swagger about him and Ambrose played in fits and starts. The Clarkes were super throughout and Tipp were a physical team who probably should have got at least one red in the middle of the half dozen yellows throughout. Brendy Mc Veigh was fartin about again in the second half and was lucky not to have been punished more heavily- however, we should have polished them off going 3 up with a minute to go. The ref gave them a fair bit in the last few minutes and ironically, when he did give us a free, Marty, of all people, didn't have the composure to hold possession and their free taker kept his cool despite the booing to record the draw.
As BL said, maybe a wake up call as next week is critical, not just for the points at stake.
Was the last sub Gerard Mc Cartan as it certainly wasn't Ronan Murtagh ?Also, Tally and Jerome seem to call a lot of the shots tonight- I would rather have Mc Iver in a tight game like that.

martin clarke was not super at all tonight, quite a few misplaced passes and kicked the ball straight into an opponents hands at the end which lead to the free to equalise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on March 06, 2010, 11:03:59 PM
where was mcivor?

very stop start performance tonight but as someone has sad perhaps it will do no harm, hopefully it will do away with the media hype.

very poor refereeing this evening as well, didnt let they play flow and failed to take action against constant fouling by tipp. the foul on colgan looked bad from where i was sitting. Marty clarke and laverty took a lot of abuse off the ball but the officials did nothing, that has been a common feature of all the games so far, maybe the team need to start dealing discreetly with that sort of thing themselves.

i make a point of not commenting on individuals because they are all better players than i am but as a team a better performance will be required in donegal. thought we were returning to the dark days of last year during some stages of the second half because of too much hand passing in our own half.

p.s. great kick from barry grogan under pressure to level the game. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 06, 2010, 11:22:03 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 06, 2010, 11:00:28 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 06, 2010, 10:25:44 PM
Strange performance from Down.Started off like all-stars and the forwards looked like having a field day. While the defence and midfield weren't bad, complacency or something set in when we went 7-2 up.Benny missed a sitter while Laverty used his brains well to record 3 from play. They pegged it back , mostly from frees and helped by a shocking clearance from Mc Veigh.The goal was a poor one to concede - the players disputed it had crossed the line but it left Down unbelievably behind at the break.Thought Calum King was unlucky to go off as he is a solid player and one tackle in particular was first class- Fitzpatrick didn't do a whole pile despite having a swagger about him and Ambrose played in fits and starts. The Clarkes were super throughout and Tipp were a physical team who probably should have got at least one red in the middle of the half dozen yellows throughout. Brendy Mc Veigh was fartin about again in the second half and was lucky not to have been punished more heavily- however, we should have polished them off going 3 up with a minute to go. The ref gave them a fair bit in the last few minutes and ironically, when he did give us a free, Marty, of all people, didn't have the composure to hold possession and their free taker kept his cool despite the booing to record the draw.
As BL said, maybe a wake up call as next week is critical, not just for the points at stake.
Was the last sub Gerard Mc Cartan as it certainly wasn't Ronan Murtagh ?Also, Tally and Jerome seem to call a lot of the shots tonight- I would rather have Mc Iver in a tight game like that.

martin clarke was not super at all tonight, quite a few misplaced passes and kicked the ball straight into an opponents hands at the end which lead to the free to equalise.

Injury time was up all Marty had to do was kick the ball over end or side line and the referee would have had to blow for full time. Laverty done it at end off Meath game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 07, 2010, 12:28:59 AM
A bit shambolic tonight, with many of the old defensive failings evident. Thought myself that Tally seemed to be making a lot of the calls, mainly bad ones, certainly not his role to do so. Also is Benny untouchable, as any fair assessment would have seen him substituted before Lavery, Mc Comiskey also poor but took a lot of abuse which the ref. failed to deal with. Could prove to be a costly result, but part of the learning curve, no need to be disheartened, onwards and upwards
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 07, 2010, 01:36:29 AM
This was a reality check rather than a wake-up call, as we have a long way to go this season. Fair play to Tipperary who looked dead and buried after 20 minutes, but, when they were allowed back into the game, they were physically stronger than us, as they displayed last year. They got away with a series of high tackles,  with yellow cards which should have been red on on least two occasions, and the assault on Colgan was close to a disgrace, but they are a decent side.

It was also a learning curve for our management, which is no bad thing, and James will surely have noted the danger of tampering with a winning formula.  He could do nothing about the loss of Hughes, but Poland or Kearney as a direct swoop would have kept our balance right. Laverty did well in the first half, but faded in the second, and bringing McComiskey out the field was simply a bad move.

Some of the squad may have been in the church for Ronan Sexton's wedding, and most of them would have been heading for the reception after the match, so the lack of concentration from a number of players may have been inevitable and we may have to just take that on the chin.

However, James has surpassed all exceptions so far and we would have taken the hand off anyone who had offered us five points out of six at the start of our league programme. All  Down supporters will be delighted if we take on board a couple of the warning signs from this match. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 07, 2010, 09:39:35 AM
A big reason Mourne Rover for Laverty fading was the supply lines in the second half where not there. He got one ball put in and won it. In the first half he was outstanding and was involved in many scores as well as from scoring 3 beautys. He has proved with his introduction against Meath and Kildare, his 5 points from play in the Antrim friendly and last night that he has much to offer at county level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on March 07, 2010, 11:04:34 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 06, 2010, 11:00:28 PM
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martin clarke was not super at all tonight, quite a few misplaced passes and kicked the ball straight into an opponents hands at the end which lead to the free to equalise.

He is capable of more but he was super and the best player on the field by a country mile
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on March 07, 2010, 11:22:42 AM
totally agree . marty c was by far best player on pitch last night. had his 2nd half volley been a couple inches lower we would have been looking at goal of season already. pity he gave ball away from last free but his class and workrate stood out !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 07, 2010, 11:37:21 AM
It was a rather poor game last night. The main thing I took from it was that we played badly but we still managed to get a result. Thats a very big plus in my book.

Tipp were a very physical side and they proved that we still have a lot of work to do in that area. However, when they ran at us I thought we done very well to try to smother and repulse them. At times we had four or five men surrounding a Tipp player and I think that shows the increased hunger and desire that this group of players possesess.

In terms of personnel, very few really caught the eye. I thought Laverty was excellent. He grabbed three from play and had a hand in a couple of other scores. The pressure was on him tonight to deliver and I think he did just that.

McVeigh was shaky enough in goals and their goal should have been dealt with more effectively while contrary to other posters I thought our defence did alright. Dan McCartan and Dee Rafferty marked diligently while McArdle didn't have a whole pile to do at full back. McKernan bombed forward with purpose in the last quarter and this is a great asset to have. Colgan's man didn't do a helluva lot and I thought he was steady enough. Garvey was slightly off the pace and was probably the weakest of the back six on view.

Ambrose showed glimpses of quality in midfield while King faded after the first twenty minutes. I still think they are a good pairing and King will probably edge out Fitzpatrick come Championship. Fitzpatrick is still a bit green but is great option to bring on.

Up front we were a mixed bag. I commented a few days ago on how McComiskey was not a wing forward and last night proved it. However, I could see James's thinking. Laverty needed his chance to impress in the corner and McComiskey is simply too good a player to have on the bench so he made the necessary sacrifice. Marty Clarke got on the ball a lot but he reallly needs to ease off on the high balls into the full forward line as Tipp were on top on that sector. John Clarke won some great possession, intermittently though, while the best is still to come from Benny. Maginn had an off night.

Mark Poland looked game when introduced, Kearney had no impact while it was good to see Choc Brannigan get some game time late on.

Overall, this result has done some good in that it has quelled the premature hype. The main thing is that we didn't get beat. From what I seen we are still a long long way off the top echelons of the game. The foundations seem to be there though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on March 07, 2010, 11:43:20 AM
Obviously had Tipp faced a Down midfield of Rodgers and Gordon, last night would have been a different story. Thought some of D Raff's tackling was superb and as Pangurban said Lavery merited his place on the pitch  more so than Coulter did last night. It was unfortunate that Danny Hughes was unavailable as his work rate and the fact that he is always good for a few points was missed but Down are still well placed for a promotion and will have learnt valuable lessons
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 07, 2010, 11:46:58 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 07, 2010, 11:37:21 AM
It was a rather poor game last night. The main thing I took from it was that we played badly but we still managed to get a result. Thats a very big plus in my book.

Tipp were a very physical side and they proved that we still have a lot of work to do in that area. However, when they ran at us I thought we done very well to try to smother and repulse them. At times we had four or five men surrounding a Tipp player and I think that shows the increased hunger and desire that this group of players possesess.

In terms of personnel, very few really caught the eye. I thought Laverty was excellent. He grabbed three from play and had a hand in a couple of other scores. The pressure was on him tonight to deliver and I think he did just that.

McVeigh was shaky enough in goals and their goal should have been dealt with more effectively while contrary to other posters I thought our defence did alright. Dan McCartan and Dee Rafferty marked diligently while McArdle didn't have a whole pile to do at full back. McKernan bombed forward with purpose in the last quarter and this is a great asset to have. Colgan's man didn't do a helluva lot and I thought he was steady enough. Garvey was slightly off the pace and was probably the weakest of the back six on view.

Ambrose showed glimpses of quality in midfield while King faded after the first twenty minutes. I still think they are a good pairing and King will probably edge out Fitzpatrick come Championship. Fitzpatrick is still a bit green but is great option to bring on.

Up front we were a mixed bag. I commented a few days ago on how McComiskey was not a wing forward and last night proved it. However, I could see James's thinking. Laverty needed his chance to impress in the corner and McComiskey is simply too good a player to have on the bench so he made the necessary sacrifice. Marty Clarke got on the ball a lot but he reallly needs to ease off on the high balls into the full forward line as Tipp were on top on that sector. John Clarke won some great possession, intermittently though, while the best is still to come from Benny. Maginn had an off night.

Mark Poland looked game when introduced, Kearney had no impact while it was good to see Choc Brannigan get some game time late on.

Overall, this result has done some good in that it has quelled the premature hype. The main thing is that we didn't get beat. From what I seen we are still a long long way off the top echelons of the game. The foundations seem to be there though.

Very well said DF. Very comprehensive and accuate report on the game. I thought they should have played Benny at 12 and Paul just in front off Laverty and John Clarke. Him coming through and getting balls laid off would have resulted in many more scores.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 07, 2010, 12:04:32 PM
Down 0-14
Tipperary 1-11
Sunday March 07 2010

TIPPERARY snatched a dramatic draw in Newry last night, with Barry Grogan scoring an injury time free to level the game.

Division 2 promotion chasers Down were poor as they struggled to overcome the Tipp challenge.

Brian Mulvihill's scrappy goal, which seemed to be saved by Down 'keeper Brendan McVeigh -- but was given by the umpires -- separated the sides at half-time.

The Mourne men were more composed in the second half, but couldn't hold on for the win despite Aussie Rules returnee Martin Clarke starring.

His link play and eye for a score were the difference as the home side got on top, but Down were unable to put away the opposition and were ripe for the picking.

Some soft frees allowed Tipp to get back in the game, and Down were made to pay with that late equaliser.

The last grasp free meant a share of the spoils, with Tipperary the happier side at the end.

Scorers -- Down: M Clarke 0-5 4f, C Laverty 0-3, J Clarke 0-3, P McComiskey 0-2 2f, C Maginn 0-1. Tipperary: C Sweeney 0-5 4f, B Grogan 0-3 3f, B Mulvihill 1-0, C Aighleart 0-2,, P Austin 0-1,

Down: B McVeigh; D McCartan, B McArdle, D Rafferty; K McKernan, J Colgan, C Garvey; A Rodgers, K King; C Maginn, M Clarke, P McComiskey; C Laverty, J Clarke, B Coulter. Subs: P Fitzpatrick for K King HT, S Kearney for C Maginn 40, M Poland for C Laverty 57, G McCartan for P McComiskey 67.

Tipperary: P Fitzgerald; N Curran, C McDonald, A Morrissey; C Aylward, R Costigan, C McGrath; G Hannigan, S Grogan; B Mulvihill, P Austin, J Cagney; C Sweeney, B Coen, B Grogan. Subs: S Hahessy for B Coen HT, S Carey for J Cagney 42, P Acheson for P Austin 52, A Rockett for S Grogan 68,

Referee: J Curley (Meath)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on March 07, 2010, 12:31:42 PM
When we came under pressure we reverted to the old days of numerous fist passes in dangerous areas, very lucky not to give a goal away near the end as a result of this. plus lumping in high ball after high ball which their big defenders mopped up with ease. the low ball to the corners in the first 20 mins caused tipp all sorts of problems. They were pushing the physical battle to the very limit and beyond at times, and got away with a lot. plus the ref moved the ball forward at least 3 times to leave an easy free for them. we did not get the rub of the green either with bennys goal chance just wide and clarkes going over the cross bar. still the glass is half full, undefeated in three league games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 07, 2010, 03:27:53 PM
The glass is more than half full, as there is a spirit and organisation about Down which has been missing for a while. We still have defensive problems, and we could certainly do with the return of Liam Doyle, Aidan Carr and Paul Murphy to the squad, but we are making progress.

Brendan McVeigh's performance did not help last night, as, although he is a fine keeper, there was a lack of certainty about his play. It was summed up int he first half when he had the ball in his hands, with a huge amount of time to make his clearance, and instead drove it aimlessly to two Tipperary forwards.  He also played a crazy hand pass across the face of the goal in the second half which very nearly ended in the net.

Kallum King was a little unlucky to be taken off at half time, as he is a strong physical presence at midfield which allows Ambrose to push forward. Peter Fitzpatrick took quite a while to get into the game as his replacement, and the change did not really work for us.

Conor Laverty had a fine match, but the Tipperary defence had started to work out his runs before he was subbed. It may be that we do not have room for him and Paul McComiskey in the same team, and McComiskey is fairly obviously not a wing half forward. It is  great to see competition for places, and the question is still whether or not Laverty can win the ball when the championship comes round. He could not manage this when he was tried previously, but he is a cuter player these days. He is also a very effective sub, while McComiskey is a quality finisher, so they should keep each other on their toes.

A couple of people have criticised Benny, and it is a concern that he has not scored in any of our three league games so far, but his strength was still a major asset for us when the going got tough last night. When he gets a goal, as he should have done in the first half, he will get into his stride again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Onlooker on March 07, 2010, 04:51:18 PM
I was not able to travel to Newry yesterday, but I always like to read what opposition supporters say after a game.   I am a bit surprised at the comments that Tipp were the physically stronger team.  In our last match v. Kildare, we looked a lot lighter than a very strong looking Kildare team, yet Down had a big win over Kildare in the 1st Round.  I agree that Down would be a more formidable team with Dan Gordon at midfield and Daniel Hughes in the attack.  They are 2 very fine players, but you will always be short some players in the National League and Tipp were missing a couple last night too (Brian Fox and Kevin Mulryan).  I did not expect that Tipp would get a draw and it was a pleasant surprise to hear the result.  Tipp and Down have played 3 League matches in the last 12 months with honours even.  We have come a long way in 2 years when we were in Div. 4 and very much an outside bet for promotion from that Division.  It is a big step up to Div. 2, but we have a young team (4 Under 21's played last night) and we still have an outside chance in staying in Div. 2.  Down are now top of the table and IMO have every chance of another promotion this year.  Incidentally it was good to see Ambrose Rodgers back at mid field for Down after his injury problems.   I always admired his late father anytime I saw him playing for Down and it is nice to see the name still on the red and black teamsheet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 08, 2010, 03:32:49 PM
I thought the boys were robbed on Saturday night, pure and simple.


Although McVeigh was'nt  great the defence was solid - Tipp had no real goal chances as the goal they got came about from Ambrose stopping a definate point and according to the Irish News video evidence suggests it never crossed the line, whilst most of thier scores came from some harsh looking frees.

Rafferty stood out again with no complaints with McArdle and McCartan. Garvey was quiet enough but then again so was his man with McKernan effective going forward. Colgan appears to be made for the number 6 jersey, again impressing - until he got injured after which he didnt seem quite as prominent.
Ambrose put in another good performance whist King was not as effective against what was a more mobile midfield than that of Meaths and Kildare. Although King may well prove to be up to this level he certainly needs to improve on his fitness. As for Fitzpatrick he was ineffective but will have better days given more time.
Maginn just had a bad night whilst McComiskey was also quiet. Marty Clarke though was involved in most good moves. He's obviously still trying to re adjust to Gaelic football but his presence is a massive boost. Just naming him on the teamsheet ensures that Benny and co will get more space and freedom. Its intersting to note that Benny has'nt been 'double marked' since Martys return.
As for the full forward line Benny was'nt at his best but he sends panic into backlines and is looking fitter than ever - he got well out in front of his man everytime. John Clarke is in great nick at the minute, again very strong in winning posession. As for Lavery, what he lacks in size he makes up in pace, gives a new dimension to the team and with the right possession will get scores and win frees - and intelligent with it.

It was interesting to see Liam Doyle along the sideline with the water bottles. Hopefully we'll see him on the bench before long although its hard to see where he along with Carr and Murphy would slot in with the defence playing so well and Colgan looking the part at CHB.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down desperado on March 08, 2010, 08:29:57 PM
I hope next year the leagues begin in the first week of march, the weather recently has been excellent for football. Even if the weather is not as good next year and some games are postponed at least you would have the whole summer to rearrange them. The way the fixtures are planned this year the play-offs could drag into late october or november again this year. They have a few games squeezed in on saturdays which can lead to conflict in a lot of clubs, instead of playing them on sundays for the first 4 or 5 weeks before the friday night games can commence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on March 10, 2010, 05:59:09 PM
how are the down teams doing in the ulster club league? any club friendly results to report?

this down site used to be a hive of info and it has completely died a death! >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 11, 2010, 05:19:53 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on March 10, 2010, 05:59:09 PM
how are the down teams doing in the ulster club league? any club friendly results to report?

this down site used to be a hive of info and it has completely died a death! >:(
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I believe a new look Clonduff are unbeaten...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 11, 2010, 09:13:19 PM
I'm gettin tortured here lads with boys lookin tickets for the stand on 20th March. Any word?Nothing official from Sean Og at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 11, 2010, 09:49:53 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 11, 2010, 09:13:19 PM
I'm gettin tortured here lads with boys lookin tickets for the stand on 20th March. Any word?Nothing official from Sean Og at the minute.
There'll be plenty looking but they'll be standing with me and the others out in cold.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 11, 2010, 10:49:55 PM
Dundrum GFC 75th Anniversary DVD Preview

Down All Ireland 1960/61 Goalkeeper Eddie McKay and midfielder Jarlath Carey features as does Paddy Kielty and current Down player Paul McComiskey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5qmTac-zh8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on March 12, 2010, 08:45:04 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 11, 2010, 10:49:55 PM
Dundrum GFC 75th Anniversary DVD Preview

Down All Ireland 1960/61 Goalkeeper Eddie McKay and midfielder Jarlath Carey features as does Paddy Kielty and current Down player Paul McComiskey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5qmTac-zh8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5qmTac-zh8)

Hateful bunch of bustards that you are on the field of play, I can only congratulate you on the compilation of an excellent vid. I really enjoyed.
The tone was just right, nice and humble but still carrying a strong message of local pride.  The choice of strong characters was good and came accross well, but most importantly the quiet but indominatable spirit of the Ga was very eveident throughout.  The images and sound track were excellent.  I tip my cap to you on a job well done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 12, 2010, 11:20:10 PM
D Alder; D McCartan, B McArdle, D Rafferty; K McKernan, J Colgan, C Garvey; A Rodgers, K King; D Hughes, M Clarke, S Kearney; P McComiskey, J Clarke, B Coulter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 12, 2010, 11:55:50 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 11, 2010, 10:49:55 PM
Dundrum GFC 75th Anniversary DVD Preview

Down All Ireland 1960/61 Goalkeeper Eddie McKay and midfielder Jarlath Carey features as does Paddy Kielty and current Down player Paul McComiskey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5qmTac-zh8

Just watched this for the first time DF. Excellent video. Good to see our present Cathaoirleach Seamus in the video. Pure gentleman.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on March 13, 2010, 08:40:18 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 12, 2010, 11:55:50 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 11, 2010, 10:49:55 PM
Dundrum GFC 75th Anniversary DVD Preview

Down All Ireland 1960/61 Goalkeeper Eddie McKay and midfielder Jarlath Carey features as does Paddy Kielty and current Down player Paul McComiskey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5qmTac-zh8

Just watched this for the first time DF. Excellent video. Good to see our present Cathaoirleach Seamus in the video. Pure gentleman.

I've watched it also. Brilliant production. Well done folks.  Shows the great pride you have in your club and community. That's what this great association is al about!l
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 13, 2010, 11:32:00 AM
It's a big game in Ballybofey tonight which should give us a fair indication of our progresss under James.  We have more league points that we would have expected at this stage, but Kildare were inexplicably bad the first day and Meath were pretty ordinary in round two. While the loss of concentration against Tipperary was disappointing, we are still top of the division and a decent result this evening would put us very close to promotion.

McVeigh had a rare off night last week, so giving Alder another chance is reasonable. Our main concern would be the size and strength of Murphy and McFadden against a full-back line which is far from the finished article. Maginn may be injured, as he does not seem to be on the bench, and Hughes was always going to return.

Laverty is unlucky to lose out after his execellent first half last week, although it is possible that James may see him as mainly an impact sub.

We seldom do well against Donegal, but,if Benny gets off the mark, a win would set things up nicely for Armagh in the Marshes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on March 13, 2010, 04:57:19 PM
Checking in from the States - Anyone know if I can catch tonights match on the Internet - Five FM generally plays music Saturday nights - Anyone know if there's any Donegal radio statio that might be streaming the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 13, 2010, 06:37:37 PM
Www.highlandradio.com usually covers Donegal games. If not I will update the latest scores thread.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on March 13, 2010, 06:57:55 PM
Trevor Hill - Thanks a million
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 13, 2010, 07:05:46 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on March 12, 2010, 08:45:04 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 11, 2010, 10:49:55 PM
Dundrum GFC 75th Anniversary DVD Preview

Down All Ireland 1960/61 Goalkeeper Eddie McKay and midfielder Jarlath Carey features as does Paddy Kielty and current Down player Paul McComiskey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5qmTac-zh8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5qmTac-zh8)

Hateful bunch of bustards that you are on the field of play, I can only congratulate you on the compilation of an excellent vid. I really enjoyed.
The tone was just right, nice and humble but still carrying a strong message of local pride.  The choice of strong characters was good and came accross well, but most importantly the quiet but indominatable spirit of the Ga was very eveident throughout.  The images and sound track were excellent.  I tip my cap to you on a job well done
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 12, 2010, 11:55:50 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 11, 2010, 10:49:55 PM
Dundrum GFC 75th Anniversary DVD Preview

Down All Ireland 1960/61 Goalkeeper Eddie McKay and midfielder Jarlath Carey features as does Paddy Kielty and current Down player Paul McComiskey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5qmTac-zh8

Just watched this for the first time DF. Excellent video. Good to see our present Cathaoirleach Seamus in the video. Pure gentleman.
Quote from: andunabu on March 13, 2010, 08:40:18 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 12, 2010, 11:55:50 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 11, 2010, 10:49:55 PM
Dundrum GFC 75th Anniversary DVD Preview

Down All Ireland 1960/61 Goalkeeper Eddie McKay and midfielder Jarlath Carey features as does Paddy Kielty and current Down player Paul McComiskey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5qmTac-zh8

Just watched this for the first time DF. Excellent video. Good to see our present Cathaoirleach Seamus in the video. Pure gentleman.

I've watched it also. Brilliant production. Well done folks.  Shows the great pride you have in your club and community. That's what this great association is al about!l

Hopefully will get the full hour and a half production up on to YouTube in the next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on March 13, 2010, 07:20:41 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on March 13, 2010, 06:37:37 PM
Www.highlandradio.com usually covers Donegal games. If not I will update the latest scores thread.

They are covering. Stream Link posted in webcast thread
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 13, 2010, 09:06:04 PM
Down by 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 13, 2010, 09:19:09 PM
Couldn't get to the game tonight but that was a huge result for Down. Although our priority was to avoid relegation, with seven points out of eight, division one is starting to look like a real prospect. Ten points usually but not always leads to promotion, and 11 makes it almost certain. Two wins from our remaining three fixtures should more or less take us over the line.

Armagh next week will be a toss-up, but, on this season's form, we have a reasonable chance of winning away to Westmeath and at home to Laois.

The radio reports tonight suggested we did not play particularly well but still ground out the result, which is a good habit to develop.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 13, 2010, 09:39:10 PM
One step at a time Mourne Rover, I would be happy enough finishing third on division 2 this year. I think division 1 would be a step too far for the current Down team.
But we are sitting pretty at the minute despite last weeks slip up. Two points next week and I may change my mind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eiled in the bushes on March 13, 2010, 09:51:55 PM
what was the score ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 13, 2010, 09:56:55 PM
Tir Conaill 0-11 An Dun 0-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eiled in the bushes on March 13, 2010, 10:04:34 PM
really looking forward to next week.wouldnt miss it,must get there early,sure to be a full house
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 14, 2010, 12:14:25 AM
Great win in Ballybofey tonight and fully deserved. Both sides where guilty off many wides in the first half and it was always score for score. Down where brilliant at times in the second half.
Decky Alder done well in nets while Dan McCartan and Damian Rafferty where superb in full back line. Kevin McKernan had an outstanding game at 5 while Colgan performed the sweeper role to great effect and was very assured in possession. Ambrose had a great game in midfield with Marty Clarke pulling the strings on the 40. He scored a few amazing points. Kearny impressed me at left half while Hughes worked tirelessly and never stopped running. Benny was back to near his best and kicked 0-3. Again John clarke was phenomenal at full forward.
Laverty and Fitzpatrick done well when introduced also. I was surprised both didnt get on earlier as Kallum King and Paul McComiskey had poor nights.
Pat McAneaney was terrible tonight. Not the referee he was a few years ago.
7 league points out off eight is some first half to the league. Well done lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 14, 2010, 01:16:52 AM
Quote from: eiled in the bushes on March 13, 2010, 10:04:34 PM
really looking forward to next week.wouldnt miss it,must get there early,sure to be a full house

Man Boobs Fearon reckons we ll only get 10000
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 14, 2010, 01:23:36 AM
MDG Ithought King worked hard all night though he looked tired when he came off. Fitzpatrick was off the pace when he came on, though he scored the insurance point. My MOTM was James Colgan again.
Martin McHugh is buying fish suppers in the local chippy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on March 14, 2010, 01:01:34 PM
well done to Down last night once again.Cannot fault a single player for their committment to the team.Took us a while to settle but played with heart and determination throughout.Had a period of excellent play in the second half which gave us a good lead but also squandered this with some really poor passing but overall showed a passion for the jersey that had been lacking previously.A work in progress and a little further down the line we will reap the rewards for this terrific beginning
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: D4S on March 14, 2010, 02:02:16 PM
First half last night was atrocious stuff, by both teams, but Donegal definitely looked slightly better and I thought they would push on for the win in the 2nd half.  Donegal completely crowded out the full back line with bodies when we attacked giving no time on the ball whatsoever...took the players a very long time it seemed to cop on to what was going on and to try and break quickly so as not to allow the donegal defenders to get back.  In the 2nd half it seemed that our half forward line were told to push right up the  middle of the field to allow Benny + john clarke space in the full forward line when we attacked, and this definitely worked!  The 2nd half performance from Down was much better overall and this result has left us with a huge chance of promotion.  Best in defence for us would have been McKernan, dan mccartan had a solid 2nd half, and colgan played well.  Ambrose was brilliant in the last 30, and was largely responsible for downs result, with his surging forward runs and superb fielding!!  Up front john clarke was again excellent at winning at times 50/50 ball that was being given into him, and kicked two great points.  Benny caused a lot of problems for donegal and played a huge part also in this great result.  Other players to mention would be Kalum King who I feel is improving all the time and looking fitter now, daniel hughes who runs his socks off every game, alder for the excellent save, and martin clarke for 2 super frees off the ground!

All in all Down did brilliantly to get this result on a damp night, and at times looked lethal when attacking.  We need to improve vastly though for championship time, as you can be sure donegal will play much better than they did last night.  But we have another 3 league games and perhaps even a day out in croke park before then ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eiled in the bushes on March 14, 2010, 04:27:23 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on March 14, 2010, 01:16:52 AM
Quote from: eiled in the bushes on March 13, 2010, 10:04:34 PM
really looking forward to next week.wouldnt miss it,must get there early,sure to be a full house

Man Boobs Fearon reckons we ll only get 10000
there will be a lot more than that.we want to drown out armagh support.will be close tough match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 14, 2010, 06:25:12 PM
As expected the stand is all ticket for the Armagh game. It is pay at the gate for the rest of the ground at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 14, 2010, 06:58:42 PM
ACPRFL Result

Burren 0-3 Rostrevor 2-15

Any others?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on March 14, 2010, 07:50:54 PM
Does anyone know a starting date + the opening fixtures for the EDRFL this season? I know there was an East Down open meeting last Monday when all the registration fees + top 13's had to be submitted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on March 14, 2010, 08:11:19 PM
Quote from: supersub on March 14, 2010, 06:58:42 PM
ACPRFL Result

Burren 0-3 Rostrevor 2-15

Any others?

Mayobridge 3-21 Bryansford 0-1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on March 15, 2010, 09:26:49 AM
ACPRL Castlewellan 0-12 Clonduff 1-09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on March 15, 2010, 11:40:58 AM
Quote from: No hoper on March 14, 2010, 08:11:19 PM
Quote from: supersub on March 14, 2010, 06:58:42 PM
ACPRFL Result

Burren 0-3 Rostrevor 2-15

Any others?

Mayobridge 3-21 Bryansford 0-1
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Jaysus that's a hammering! When was that played? Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on March 15, 2010, 12:43:31 PM
BBC sport website never seem to show photos of Down league games, none again this week after an all-Ulster game v Donegal.  But the Armagh hurlers photos are up.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on March 15, 2010, 01:59:19 PM
I wasnt at Donegal but someone who's opinion I would value highly tells me that Colgan dropping to sweep is leaving us very exposed to the opposition 11 doing damage. He said that v Tipp their number 11 was their best player and again on Saturday with a better player than Dunnion at 11 they would have done more harm. There seems to be no one picking up 11 when Colgan sweeps - is this the case???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on March 15, 2010, 02:20:38 PM
Reading Mickey Harte's book at the minute.  He allowed Gavin Devlin play a similar role to Colgan (ie sweeping and allowing the number opposing number 11 to roam), however this involved all the other defenders and half forwards tackling like trojans. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 15, 2010, 03:00:16 PM
Saturday nights game is all ticket. The county board/Sean og have just decided that it will be all ticket and tickets will be printed this evening and given to the clubs tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on March 15, 2010, 03:30:38 PM
If the game is all ticket what way does that work for season ticket holders who want to sit in the stand?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 15, 2010, 03:35:32 PM
I am still waiting on an answer to that one.  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 15, 2010, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on March 15, 2010, 01:59:19 PM
I wasnt at Donegal but someone who's opinion I would value highly tells me that Colgan dropping to sweep is leaving us very exposed to the opposition 11 doing damage. He said that v Tipp their number 11 was their best player and again on Saturday with a better player than Dunnion at 11 they would have done more harm. There seems to be no one picking up 11 when Colgan sweeps - is this the case???

    Tipp's number 11 was taken off last week.Who would you suggest picks up the number 11 in this tactic?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on March 15, 2010, 04:34:35 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on March 15, 2010, 03:00:16 PM
Saturday nights game is all ticket. The county board/Sean og have just decided that it will be all ticket and tickets will be printed this evening and given to the clubs tomorrow.
IS this 100%
Up to last night it was only the stand and each club was limited to 14 tkts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 15, 2010, 05:08:32 PM
Quote from: norabeag on March 15, 2010, 04:34:35 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on March 15, 2010, 03:00:16 PM
Saturday nights game is all ticket. The county board/Sean og have just decided that it will be all ticket and tickets will be printed this evening and given to the clubs tomorrow.
IS this 100%
Up to last night it was only the stand and each club was limited to 14 tkts


Yep....e mail from Co Board earlier and the stand allocation is now 12 tickets per club...see the Down V Armagh thread over on the GAA Discussion board
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on March 15, 2010, 05:15:52 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 15, 2010, 05:08:32 PM
Quote from: norabeag on March 15, 2010, 04:34:35 PM
Quote from: Trevor Hill on March 15, 2010, 03:00:16 PM
Saturday nights game is all ticket. The county board/Sean og have just decided that it will be all ticket and tickets will be printed this evening and given to the clubs tomorrow.
IS this 100%
Up to last night it was only the stand and each club was limited to 14 tkts


Yep....e mail from Co Board earlier and the stand allocation is now 12 tickets per club...see the Down V Armagh thread over on the GAA Discussion board

Thats sort of short notice. and how come every club is only entitled to 14 tickets when the stand holds 3000 approx.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on March 15, 2010, 05:25:55 PM
This tactic of playing Colgan as sweeper is all very well in that we will not concede as much but most certainly we will not be high scorers.We need very fit wing half forwards for this to work and also for one of the midfielders to possibly drop back and look after opposition 11.
It is in my opinion a tactic really to protect our Daniel from getting exposed too much!
His lack of pace , fouling etc.. will soon become evident when the days lengthen and the ground hardens!!Daniel is an average Winter player suited to Sigerson and Winter conditions but most certainly not a championship player!
So soon this tactic will be dispensed with!!



                             The gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 15, 2010, 07:23:27 PM
Sure hes only there because of his name, blah blah blah.  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on March 15, 2010, 09:59:39 PM
Quote from: thegael on March 15, 2010, 05:25:55 PM
This tactic of playing Colgan as sweeper is all very well in that we will not concede as much but most certainly we will not be high scorers.We need very fit wing half forwards for this to work and also for one of the midfielders to possibly drop back and look after opposition 11.
It is in my opinion a tactic really to protect our Daniel from getting exposed too much!
His lack of pace , fouling etc.. will soon become evident when the days lengthen and the ground hardens!!Daniel is an average Winter player suited to Sigerson and Winter conditions but most certainly not a championship player!
So soon this tactic will be dispensed with!!



                             The gael takes no prisoners!



A complete tool you are
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on March 16, 2010, 11:35:08 PM

Midfielder or half forward has gotta pick up num11 if the centre half drops.

We will get crucified against a top quality 11 roaming free
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 17, 2010, 02:46:47 AM
ACPRL

Mayobridge 2-6
Rostrevor 0-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on March 17, 2010, 07:57:31 PM
excellent couple of days for down schools football-congratulations to St.Malachys Castlewellan and St.Colmans Newry on their wonderful performances--happy days!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 18, 2010, 11:58:35 PM
Down unchanged.

1. Declan Alder
2. Daniel McCartan
3. Brendan McArdle
4. Damien Rafferty
5. Kevin McKernan
6. James Colgan
7. Conor Garvey
8. Ambrose Rogers
9. Kalum King
10. Danny Hughes
11. Martin Clarke
12. Stephen Kearney
13. Paul McComiskey
14. John Clarke
15. Brendan Coulter

16. Brendan McVeigh
17. Kevin Duffin
18. Mark Poland
19. Aidan Brannigan
20. Peter Fitzpatrick
21. James McGovern
22. Conor Laverty
23. Ronan Murtagh
24. Gerard McCartan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orange2009 on March 19, 2010, 08:52:21 AM
Paddy O'Rourke looks ahead to Down v Armagh

http://armagh-gaa.com/Armagh-TV/News/VIDEO--Paddy-O-Rourke-looks-to-Down-clash.aspx
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on March 20, 2010, 10:41:33 PM
Brilliant win for down the night! Great to get the bragging rights over the neigbours for once. Looking a certanty for division 1 and a trip to croker.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on March 20, 2010, 11:04:23 PM
Superb win - v impressed with Down; you would never have called that before the game.
Such an anti climax to finish but so long since a win v Armagh in lge/champ'ship (15 yrs I believe)

Anyway a few random thoughts:

Superb start for Down, still dodgy in FB line under high ball but reacted superbly
Didn't think sending off had huge effect cos Down game plan never altered
McKeever is a tool and deserves as little comment as possible - shame on Armagh supporters if that's what they call a legend/cult hero

Down team:

Keeper - great kick out but dodgy enough in gen play:wud prefer mcveigh
D Raff - class performance, heart like a lion
McArdle - not the answer + roasted by McDonnell
Dan - not good - struggles for height + pace v top class players
McKernan - played well, composed on ball + seems to have grown set of balls
Colgan - did well, hardly put a foot wrong
King - 3 excellent catches - looked sound despite recent performances
Ambrose - just ok - didn't get those surging runs going but kicked a glorious free at end
Kearney - seems to lack confidence to be positive; def a worker - little contribution
Clarke - absolute class act; hurt hip I hear and will be ok
McGinn - love this fellas range of passing + vision
Hughes - my MOM - carried ball superbly - serious turbo boost pace
Benny - looked like a leader - class all over + trademark catch!
Clarke - poor tonight, handling bad which is not like him - Donaghy def had better
Poland - not great, mixed bag
Laverty - excellent when came on, never lost a ball + used well. Wee hoor lol

All in, v good performance, looks like Div1 which is badly what we need I.e. Playing top class opp
Delighted to see Down with defensive game plan - been crying out for this since latter years of Pete!
Good to be a Down supporter right now but let's not get carried away!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 20, 2010, 11:09:20 PM
GY you left out Garvey, who I thought was composed and decisive. The influence of Colgan on the defence cannot be overstated. Even when he was not on the ball , he was directing and organising.We have Mournemen all over the pitch calling the shots- happy days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on March 20, 2010, 11:11:39 PM
Sorry DD on the phone here! Garvey was v solid and love fact he seems to have a wee bit of dirt about him!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 21, 2010, 01:20:33 AM
Dan Gordon. Liam Dolyle and Michael Walsh to come .....

Doesn't loko too bad James does it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 21, 2010, 01:59:27 AM
Don't forget Luke Howard, Paul Murphy and Timmy Hanna -  we may have some options at the back at last
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: batman on March 21, 2010, 10:57:51 AM
Think Garvey will have to play full back or we will need monk cole back on the sqaud
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 21, 2010, 11:14:00 AM
Lets not be too hard on Brendan McArdle, he was marking one of the best forwards in the country last night. Luke Howard will be a great addition to the team when he is fit again. He didn't give McDonnell a sniff in their last meeting.

I dont know if we will see Dan back in a Down jersey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on March 21, 2010, 11:54:36 AM
Trevor i hope that you are wrong about Dan, as i still think we need him if we are going to continue to improve.

What is the story with Luke Howard when is he expected back?

I still think even if we get Luke back we still need some more height in that fullback line, maybe Doyle, or Garvey, dont want to change Colgan as i think he will be a great CHB.

I notice some people thought Maginn played well, i must admit i thought he was quite, we really need M Clarke back as soon as possible, i really thought he was brilliant in the short time he was on, amazing passer of the ball, strong, great fee taker, and scored one amazing point from play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on March 21, 2010, 12:16:16 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on March 21, 2010, 11:54:36 AM
Trevor i hope that you are wrong about Dan, as i still think we need him if we are going to continue to improve.

What is the story with Luke Howard when is he expected back?

I still think even if we get Luke back we still need some more height in that fullback line, maybe Doyle, or Garvey, dont want to change Colgan as i think he will be a great CHB.

I notice some people thought Maginn played well, i must admit i thought he was quite, we really need M Clarke back as soon as possible, i really thought he was brilliant in the short time he was on, amazing passer of the ball, strong, great fee taker, and scored one amazing point from play

Doyle at full back? And because of his height?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on March 21, 2010, 01:18:40 PM
I meant more for his feilding, always thought he was a great feilder of the ball, and not sure if he has the pace for HF any longer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on March 21, 2010, 02:44:35 PM
I already put this into Death Notices as a lot of Galway folks would be interested, but thought the Down faithful would want to know this right off.
Just was told that Patsy O'Hagan died this morning - He was on the Down 1960 and 1961 AI teams and captain of Down in 1962 - Patsy played in every position in the red and black over the years except for goalkeepr - He hasn't been well for a while and made it to Dublin for the recent 1960 Down team return to Croke Park for an upcoming TV show, but wasn't well enough to actually go from the hotel to the pitch - RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on March 21, 2010, 07:43:31 PM
Another Down great has departed this life, RIP Patsy O'Hagan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 21, 2010, 07:50:35 PM
Rest in peace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 21, 2010, 07:55:43 PM
Sad news RIP Patsy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 21, 2010, 08:00:09 PM
May he rest in peace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 21, 2010, 08:19:28 PM
Fantasic Clonduff player, had great memories of  Patsy O'Hagan
May he Rest In Peace
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack4ever on March 21, 2010, 11:14:28 PM
I'll never forget the night that I met Patsy O'Hagan. It was before Christmas of 1981. My husband, a Clonduff man born and bred, had taken me to Ireland for a "delayed" honeymoon.  We were in the hotel in Hilltown (before it was remodeled in the 90's) it was getting late and I was getting a little aggravated at Mr. Wonderful, because I was tired and I wanted to go home. 

Needless to say, Patsy O'Hagan came to my rescue, he collared Mr. Wonderful, who he had known forever, and drove us home to Mr. Wonderful's mothers' house. I didn't realize who he was until he walked into the sitting room and my mother-in-law (RIP) said to Patsy,  "Well Patsy you're very welcome home from Galway. " At that I made the connection of who this stranger was and I was overwhelmed.  He sat down with us in the sitting room, had breakfast, looked at our wedding pictures, and had the craic with my MIL and Mr. Wonderful, while I sat there, like a gobshite, with my mouth hanging open.  I was in the presence of a GAA legend and my in-laws actually knew him.

He was a lovely man and my sympathy goes to all of his family.

As we Irish-Americans say, "God broke the mold when he made Patsy, we'lll be lucky to ever see the likes of him again."

RIP, Patsy

Mrs. redandblack4 ever 

 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on March 22, 2010, 09:47:56 AM
Any Acprl results from yest?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 22, 2010, 01:38:24 PM
Interesting to note that having played 5 games in the NFL Down have the best defensive record accross the 4 divisions with the least scores conceded. Only 2 goals conceded also, a penalty against Armagh and a goal that was'nt a goal by Tipp.

Not bad for a team with 'no defenders', hope they keep it up through to the summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 22, 2010, 01:52:28 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on March 20, 2010, 11:04:23 PM

Down team:

Keeper - great kick out but dodgy enough in gen play:wud prefer mcveigh Alder is better choice
D Raff - class performance, heart like a lion
Agreed
McArdle - not the answer + roasted by McDonnell
Most full backs can be roasted by McDonald - I'd give him another chance
Dan - not good - struggles for height + pace v top class players
Foul-a-minute will expose us to too many scores
McKernan - played well, composed on ball + seems to have grown set of balls
Improving all the time - definitely his best position
Colgan - did well, hardly put a foot wrong
Showing leadership too
King - 3 excellent catches - looked sound despite recent performances
MOM as far as I'm concerned - a real addition
Ambrose - just ok - didn't get those surging runs going but kicked a glorious free at end
More than ok - put in a power of work despite some loose passing
Kearney - seems to lack confidence to be positive; def a worker - little contribution
James sees something in him - a few more games to assess
Clarke - absolute class act; hurt hip I hear and will be ok
Would prefer to see him play from a wing position
McGinn - love this fellas range of passing + vision
Smart and game, a big addition
Hughes - my MOM - carried ball superbly - serious turbo boost pace
Great performance
Benny - looked like a leader - class all over + trademark catch!
Looks back to his zippy best
Clarke - poor tonight, handling bad which is not like him - Donaghy def had better
Fared ok against a very good defender
Poland - not great, mixed bag
Disagree - I think he had a very industrious and effective game
Laverty - excellent when came on, never lost a ball + used well. Wee hoor lol
A great man to have in the squad.
You omitted Garvey - good solid game
Brannigan looked more than assured when he came on.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 22, 2010, 01:59:34 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on March 22, 2010, 09:47:56 AM
Any Acprl results from yest?

Mayobridge  1-11 0-7 Kilcoo  Mayobridge   
Saval  4-10 3-9 Loughinisland  Saval   
ACPRL Division 2
 
Ballymartin  3-14 1-4 Annaclone  Ballymartin   
Tullylish  0-5 0-0 Downpatrick  Tullylish   
Carryduff  2-14 1-2 Bredagh  Carryduff   
St Johns  3-6 3-10 Ballyholland  St Johns

outstanding games are to be played during the week!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on March 22, 2010, 02:19:00 PM
On Saturday nights team

ALDER-  Kick outs were good but seriously at fault for the penalty. Shoulder took McDonnell & ball in first half & indecision lead to Armagh score
MCCARTAN- Ok he was at fault for the penalty but Armagh had a big FF line to be fair. Thought he went well despite fact that certain sections will never give the fella the credit some of his performances deserve
MCARDLE- Good on ball & good athlete but struggled with McDonnells cuteness
RAFFERTY- Downs best defender. Tough in the tackle & lightening quick
MCKERNAN- In my opinion he was poor. Caught 5/6 yards off his man all night. Could have walked on another day for an elbow
COLGAN- Good game & fact Armagh went to 14 allowed him to become the free man. But will be tested by a CHF who plays on him for the full game
GARVEY- No nonsense defender. Does it simple all the time. Good solid game
RODGERS- Quiet enough game but kicked some good scores.
KING- MOM for me. Matched Armagh's physical approach around the middle & came out on top
HUGHES- Worked all night for ball & provided an outlet for his half backs
CLARKE- Was giving McKeever the run around before having to come off. Has given Down a genuine playmaker at 11.
KEARNEY- With tactic of letting Colgan sit free even with 15 Hughes & Kearney are required to do the dirty work. Done his job with no fuss
POLAND- Was out in front but put off the ball too easy at times
CLARKE-Wasnt given enough good ball in. Fighting for scraps
COULTER- Back to his best in glimpses. Put the fear of God in Armagh defenders & his catch near the end was worth the admission alone.
MAGINN-He looked impish on that field!! Lost the ball too many times & cant see him getting in that side
LAVERY-Breath of fresh air. Lifted the side with his workrate & think he will start come the Championship

But we need to get back to reality before getting carried away! Great performance yes but Armagh were poor also.
A few of their boys seemed more interested in getting involved with opposing players than with the game. This suited Down who had the cooler heads & it was evident an Armagh player would walk sooner or later! McKeever & Morriarty were playing into our hands & became distracted by the occasion!
They also lacked a guy able to take out the Down defensive system by putting the ball over the bar from outside the 40. Guys like the McEntees would've done this & in my opinion outside of McDonnell Armagh lacked any genuine threat.
But onwards & upwards for Down who continue to impress under McCartan, McIver & Tally
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 22, 2010, 05:04:25 PM
Marsbar Kid, this should be of interest to you.


EDRL  Section A

Rd.One & Ten

Aughlisnafin   v   Kilcoo   
St. John's   v   Teconnaught   
Liatroim   v   Castlewellan   
Bryansford   v   Dundrum   
Drumaness   v   Bye   




Rd.Two & Eleven

Teconnaught   v   Drumaness   
Castlewellan   v   Bryansford   
Dundrum   v   Liatroim   
Kilcoo   v   St. John's   
Aughlisnafin   v   Bye   



Rd Three & Twelve

Aughlisnafin   v   St. John's   
Liatroim   v   Kilcoo   
Bryansford   v   Teconnaught   
Drumaness   v   Castlewellan   
Dundrum   v   Bye   



Rd.Four & Thirteen

Teconnaught   v   Dundrum   
Kilcoo   v   Bryansford   
St. John's   v   Drumaness   
Aughlisnafin   v   Castlewellan   
Liatroim   v   Bye   



Rd. Five & Fourteen

Bryansford   v   Aughlisnafin   
Kilcoo   v   Teconnaught   
St. John's   v   Dundrum   
Liatroim   v   Drumaness   
Castlewellan   v   Bye   



Rd Six & Fifteen

Aughlisnafin   v   Liatroim   
Bryansford   v   St. John's   
Drumaness   v   Kilcoo   
Dundrum   v   Castlewellan   
Teconnaught   v   Bye   




Rd Seven & Sixteen

Teconnaught   v   Liatroim   
Kilcoo   v   Dundrum   
Castlewellan   v   St. John's   
Drumaness   v   Aughlisnafin   
Bryansford   v   Bye   










Rd Eight & Seventeen

Liatroim   v   Bryansford   
Castlewellan   v   Kilcoo   
Aughlisnafin   v   Teconnaught   
Dundrum   v   Drumaness   
St. John's   v   Bye   




Rd.Nine & Eighteen

Liatroim   v   St. John's   
Bryansford   v   Drumaness   
Dundrum   v   Aughlisnafin   
Teconnaught   v   Castlewellan   
Kilcoo   v   Bye   


EDRL Section B

Rd.One & Ten

Dromara   v   Bredagh   
Bright   v   Darragh Cross   
Saul   v   St. Paul's   
Kilclief   v   Carryduff   
Ardglass   v   Bye   




Rd.Two & Eleven

Darragh Cross   v   Ardglass   
St. Paul's   v   Kilclief   
Carryduff   v   Saul   
Bredagh   v   Bright   
Dromara   v   Bye   



Rd Three & Twelve

Dromara   v   Bright   
Saul   v   Bredagh   
Kilclief   v   Darragh Cross   
Ardglass   v   St. Paul's   
Carryduff   v   Bye   



Rd.Four & Thirteen

Darragh Cross   v   Carryduff   
Bredagh   v   Kilclief   
Bright   v   Ardglass   
Dromara   v   St. Paul's   
Saul   v   Bye   



Rd. Five & Fourteen

Kilclief   v   Dromara   
Bredagh   v   Darragh Cross   
Bright   v   Carryduff   
Saul   v   Ardglass   
St. Paul's   v   Bye   



Rd Six & Fifteen

Dromara   v   Saul   
Kilclief   v   Bright   
Ardglass   v   Bredagh   
Carryduff   v   St. Paul's   
Darragh Cross   v   Bye   




Rd Seven & Sixteen

Darragh Cross   v   Saul   
Bredagh   v   Carryduff   
St. Paul's   v   Bright   
Ardglass   v   Dromara   
Kilclief   v   Bye   










Rd Eight & Seventeen

Saul   v   Kilclief   
St. Paul's   v   Bredagh   
Dromara   v   Darragh Cross   
Carryduff   v   Ardglass   
Bright   v   Bye   




Rd.Nine & Eighteen

Saul   v   Bright   
Kilclief   v   Ardglass   
Carryduff   v   Dromara   
Darragh Cross   v   St. Paul's   
Bredagh   v   Bye   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on March 22, 2010, 07:54:09 PM
Thanks DF, i've been trying 2 find that out for a long time!! Was hoping Dromara wud b in our section tho. :-[ Any eord of a starting date yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 22, 2010, 09:03:34 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on March 22, 2010, 07:54:09 PM
Thanks DF, i've been trying 2 find that out for a long time!! Was hoping Dromara wud b in our section tho. :-[ Any eord of a starting date yet?

No word of a starting date. You just have to take it one step at a time with the East Down Board in regards to these matters  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on March 22, 2010, 09:44:58 PM
Any1 know where the under 21 game is on wednesday night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 22, 2010, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: No hoper on March 22, 2010, 09:44:58 PM
Any1 know where the under 21 game is on wednesday night?

Breffmi Park at 8pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on March 23, 2010, 12:18:33 AM
What are Down chances of getting 3 Ulster U21 championships in a row? I think Tyrone have done that before have they?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 23, 2010, 12:26:02 AM
Quote from: guevara on March 22, 2010, 02:19:00 PM
On Saturday nights team

ALDER-  Kick outs were good but seriously at fault for the penalty. Shoulder took McDonnell & ball in first half & indecision lead to Armagh score
MCCARTAN- Ok he was at fault for the penalty but Armagh had a big FF line to be fair. Thought he went well despite fact that certain sections will never give the fella the credit some of his performances deserve
MCARDLE- Good on ball & good athlete but struggled with McDonnells cuteness
RAFFERTY- Downs best defender. Tough in the tackle & lightening quick
MCKERNAN- In my opinion he was poor. Caught 5/6 yards off his man all night. Could have walked on another day for an elbow
COLGAN- Good game & fact Armagh went to 14 allowed him to become the free man. But will be tested by a CHF who plays on him for the full game
GARVEY- No nonsense defender. Does it simple all the time. Good solid game
RODGERS- Quiet enough game but kicked some good scores.
KING- MOM for me. Matched Armagh's physical approach around the middle & came out on top
HUGHES- Worked all night for ball & provided an outlet for his half backs
CLARKE- Was giving McKeever the run around before having to come off. Has given Down a genuine playmaker at 11.
KEARNEY- With tactic of letting Colgan sit free even with 15 Hughes & Kearney are required to do the dirty work. Done his job with no fuss
POLAND- Was out in front but put off the ball too easy at times
CLARKE-Wasnt given enough good ball in. Fighting for scraps
COULTER- Back to his best in glimpses. Put the fear of God in Armagh defenders & his catch near the end was worth the admission alone.
MAGINN-He looked impish on that field!! Lost the ball too many times & cant see him getting in that side
LAVERY-Breath of fresh air. Lifted the side with his workrate & think he will start come the Championship

But we need to get back to reality before getting carried away! Great performance yes but Armagh were poor also.
A few of their boys seemed more interested in getting involved with opposing players than with the game. This suited Down who had the cooler heads & it was evident an Armagh player would walk sooner or later! McKeever & Morriarty were playing into our hands & became distracted by the occasion!
They also lacked a guy able to take out the Down defensive system by putting the ball over the bar from outside the 40. Guys like the McEntees would've done this & in my opinion outside of McDonnell Armagh lacked any genuine threat.
But onwards & upwards for Down who continue to impress under McCartan, McIver & Tally

   Not forgetting Jerome J!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on March 23, 2010, 12:13:30 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, Ned Flanders Is Back And As Always At Your Service ;)
Great result on sat night, brilliant feeling gettin one over on those apple picking so and so's, even tho it was hard thought and unreal
Clarke piking up and injury gave our boys a boost in my eyes, coulter back to his best and with championship approacing, timing couldn be better :)
To gain promotion in his 1st season for wee james is an incredable achievement, and knowmatter what happens in championship, this can surely be called a successfull season?

I would love a crack at armagh in an Ulster decider, but then again based on sat night, who wouldnt ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Armagh Cúchulainns on March 23, 2010, 04:51:05 PM
Lads,

looking directions to ballygalgets home pitch?

PM me or leave a reply

Cheers

A.C
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 23, 2010, 05:45:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh Cúchulainns on March 23, 2010, 04:51:05 PM
Lads,

looking directions to ballygalgets home pitch?

PM me or leave a reply

Cheers

A.C
It is on their website  ;)   

http://www.gaelsport.com/html/club/newLocation.jsp?c=184 (http://www.gaelsport.com/html/club/newLocation.jsp?c=184)

or

www.ballygalgetgac.net
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 23, 2010, 05:58:23 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on March 23, 2010, 12:18:33 AM
What are Down chances of getting 3 Ulster U21 championships in a row? I think Tyrone have done that before have they?

It wont be easy. Down have a tricky test in Breffni on Wednesday and if successful would face a fancied Monaghan or Antrim in the simi final. If the team click and play to their potential they wont be far away. Many off last years squad are overage but there is some very competent players among Neil Collins' charges.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on March 23, 2010, 11:37:42 PM
U21s supposed to be poor - got hiding by senior squad members last week - an absolute mauling I hear!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 24, 2010, 12:04:07 PM
Quote from: western exile on March 23, 2010, 05:45:22 PM
Quote from: Armagh Cúchulainns on March 23, 2010, 04:51:05 PM
Lads,

looking directions to ballygalgets home pitch?

PM me or leave a reply

Cheers

A.C
It is on their website  ;)   

http://www.gaelsport.com/html/club/newLocation.jsp?c=184 (http://www.gaelsport.com/html/club/newLocation.jsp?c=184)

or

www.ballygalgetgac.net

Those directions aren't too bad and should get you there fine.

If youv'e de old sat nav the psot code is BT22 1NE
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 24, 2010, 12:38:02 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on March 23, 2010, 11:37:42 PM
U21s supposed to be poor - got hiding by senior squad members last week - an absolute mauling I hear!

Any word on the team for tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on March 24, 2010, 04:20:42 PM
Does anyone know the date for the NFL 2 Final so I can make arrangements (Assuming we are there of course)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on March 24, 2010, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on March 24, 2010, 04:20:42 PM
Does anyone know the date for the NFL 2 Final so I can make arrangements (Assuming we are there of course)

According to the GAA master fixtures plan, Division 1 & 2 NFL finals are on Sunday 25th April, i'd imagine it'll be a double header in Croke Park like last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on March 24, 2010, 04:43:31 PM
Quote from: supersub on March 24, 2010, 12:38:02 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on March 23, 2010, 11:37:42 PM
U21s supposed to be poor - got hiding by senior squad members last week - an absolute mauling I hear!

Any word on the team for tonight?
1. K Gordan
2. O Costello
3. D Turley
4. R McGovern
5. D O'Hagen
6. M Higgens
7. C Poland
8. R Digney
9 A McArdle
10 P Devlin
11. C Harrison
12 B Kane
13. P McPolin
14 E Toner
15 J Conelly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on March 24, 2010, 04:58:53 PM

Any word on the team for tonight?
[/quote]
1. K Gordan
2. O Costello
3. D Turley
4. R McGovern
5. D O'Hagen
6. M Higgens
7. C Poland
8. R Digney
9 A McArdle
10 P Devlin
11. C Harrison
12 B Kane
13. P McPolin
14 E Toner
15 J Conelly
[/quote]

Would any of these players be expected to step up to the senior squad when they exit the U21 championship, whenever that may be?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 24, 2010, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on March 24, 2010, 04:58:53 PM

Any word on the team for tonight?
1. K Gordan
2. O Costello
3. D Turley
4. R McGovern
5. D O'Hagen
6. M Higgens
7. C Poland
8. R Digney
9 A McArdle
10 P Devlin
11. C Harrison
12 B Kane
13. P McPolin
14 E Toner
15 J Conelly
[/quote]

Would any of these players be expected to step up to the senior squad when they exit the U21 championship, whenever that may be?
[/quote]

I honestly wouldn't think it. Although I haven't seen a few of the lads in action I can not say for definite. However, I do think Poland and Devlin may feature in the next couple of years. Maybe a difference betweeen Down and other counites as I see in paper Monagan had as many as 4 players in their senior squad on Sunday. Think they are taking a bad beating, see in another thread its 2-14 to 1-08.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 24, 2010, 09:39:14 PM
U-21's got a complete hoking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on March 24, 2010, 09:40:50 PM
Cadbury Ulster U21FC quarter-finals- Live Scores , Fixtures &  Results Wednesday 24 March

Cavan 3-14 1-08 Down,  Kingspan Breffni Park FT  (doubt being expressed on whether Down scored a goal)  What a hammering.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 24, 2010, 10:16:54 PM
It's a very long time since a Down team lost a championship match by 12 points, and apparently our goal was the last kick of the night. Underage games can be a bit unpredictable, but we won by two points when the same sides met in the preliminary round of the 07 MFC. Unless they were injured, it was surprising that the likes of Ben O'Reilly and Christy Killen did not start. Good luck to Cavan though, as I don't think they have ever won an under 21 Ulster title.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Denn Forever on March 24, 2010, 10:31:26 PM
1988i and 1996 and we have the medals to prove it.

No U21 AI some maybe this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 24, 2010, 10:32:26 PM
Let's be honest. That was a very mediocre bunch of players we had this year. Its unlikely that any of them will be involved with the Seniors later on. Teams that generally do well at U-21 level usually have a few Senior panellists in tow.

Collins got his names a bit mixed up in the Irish News today as well. He referred to Cavan's ace attacker David Givney as John Gibney.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 24, 2010, 11:41:23 PM
Just back from Cavan and gutted for the team and managers. Down totally frooze on the night and had no luck watso ever. It would be easy to criticise management and players but they didnt go out tonight for that to happen. Everything went wrong and Cavan where absolutly superb on the night. People can slag off management all they like but the team that started was close to the best available in the county. once a team crosses the white line management can do little.  The team struggled in midfield and the forwards had to live off scraps while the defence where under severe pressure. Just a bad night all round, the only consolation is that there are 8 off the starting team and 4 off the subs used underage next year. And to be fair to the management they had a hard act to follow in Wee Pete winning 2 ulsters in a row with much stronger teams. They should be given another year to learn from this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 24, 2010, 11:52:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 24, 2010, 10:16:54 PM
It's a very long time since a Down team lost a championship match by 12 points, and apparently our goal was the last kick of the night. Underage games can be a bit unpredictable, but we won by two points when the same sides met in the preliminary round of the 07 MFC. Unless they were injured, it was surprising that the likes of Ben O'Reilly and Christy Killen did not start. Good luck to Cavan though, as I don't think they have ever won an under 21 Ulster title.

Chris Killen was injured and on form in the previous games played Ben didnt deserve to start. Cavan where unreal tonightand it wouldnt have mattered who else was included. it was just one off those nights when everything went wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on March 25, 2010, 08:48:26 AM
Quote from: thegael on November 26, 2009, 10:51:41 AM
Mid Down ofcourse they should be judged that way. My issue is how in the name of God he got the job.He has zero managerial track record bar a little with div 4 annsborough!!!!
I am told he is not even a member of the gaa .
He would be laughed at if he went for any decent club job he hasn't the cv and it is absolutely ludicrous that he was appointed in the first place!
Things need to be done properly could you imagine him getting a managerial job with any top club team - no way he just hasn't the experience.As a long time follower of Down football club and county I have never seen him at a game. Yes he might go to the silly nostalgic functions about the 90 s teams and plays the great respectable game of golf with old teammates - yawn yawn but he isn't a football man he hasn't got the experience!It is madness to have appointed him ! He probably is a nice fella but going straight in as a county under 21 manager is madness beyond belief !
How in 2009 can such appointments be made at least mc cartan did his time served his apprenticeship so to speak with queens , burren, st galls and ballinderry but collins has not - this is a serious issue ans this should not have happened!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 25, 2010, 09:37:36 AM
Quote from: thegael on March 25, 2010, 08:48:26 AM
Quote from: thegael on November 26, 2009, 10:51:41 AM
Mid Down ofcourse they should be judged that way. My issue is how in the name of God he got the job.He has zero managerial track record bar a little with div 4 annsborough!!!!
I am told he is not even a member of the gaa .
He would be laughed at if he went for any decent club job he hasn't the cv and it is absolutely ludicrous that he was appointed in the first place!
Things need to be done properly could you imagine him getting a managerial job with any top club team - no way he just hasn't the experience.As a long time follower of Down football club and county I have never seen him at a game. Yes he might go to the silly nostalgic functions about the 90 s teams and plays the great respectable game of golf with old teammates - yawn yawn but he isn't a football man he hasn't got the experience!It is madness to have appointed him ! He probably is a nice fella but going straight in as a county under 21 manager is madness beyond belief !
How in 2009 can such appointments be made at least mc cartan did his time served his apprenticeship so to speak with queens , burren, st galls and ballinderry but collins has not - this is a serious issue ans this should not have happened!

Its easy to stick the knife in and kick a man when he is down. Brendan McKernan, Stevie Poucher and Tom Potter are an experienced backroom team and its not all about Neil Collins. Look i have not missed an under 21 game all year, and yes they management made mistakes but last night the team where simply outclassed by a bigger, more physical and better football team. Management couldnt have done much about it and the players simply didnt turn up and let the management team, who had prepared the team well, down. Its easy coming on here and slating players and management but that wont help anyone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 25, 2010, 09:50:42 AM
Quote from: Out in Front on March 24, 2010, 04:58:53 PM

Any word on the team for tonight?
1. K Gordan
2. O Costello
3. D Turley
4. R McGovern
5. D O'Hagen
6. M Higgens
7. C Poland
8. R Digney
9 A McArdle
10 P Devlin
11. C Harrison
12 B Kane
13. P McPolin
14 E Toner
15 J Conelly
[/quote]

Would any of these players be expected to step up to the senior squad when they exit the U21 championship, whenever that may be?
[/quote]

Out of interest;
Can anyone name the clubs these boys came from - this is the bunch that as minors that narrowly lost to tyrone in Omagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 25, 2010, 09:55:46 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on March 25, 2010, 09:50:42 AM
Quote from: Out in Front on March 24, 2010, 04:58:53 PM

Any word on the team for tonight?
1. K Gordan Loughinisland
2. O Costello Bredagh
3. D Turley Downpatrick
4. R McGovern Burren
5. D O'Hagen Clonduff
6. M Higgens Ballymartin
7. C Poland Longstone
8. R Digney Saval
9 A McArdle Burren
10 P Devlin Kilcoo
11. C Harrison Glasdrumman
12 B Kane Kilcoo
13. P McPolin Clonduff
14 E Toner Burren
15 J Conelly Downpatrick

Would any of these players be expected to step up to the senior squad when they exit the U21 championship, whenever that may be?
[/quote]

Out of interest;
Can anyone name the clubs these boys came from - this is the bunch that as minors that narrowly lost to tyrone in Omagh?
[/quote]

No next years team lost to Tyrone at minor level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on March 25, 2010, 10:15:00 AM
this u21 team(as minors) lost to monaghan in crossmaglen the week after beating cavan in breffni park the same day the seniors drew their c'ship match in '07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 25, 2010, 11:49:55 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on March 25, 2010, 09:50:42 AM
Quote from: Out in Front on March 24, 2010, 04:58:53 PM

Any word on the team for tonight?
1. K Gordan
2. O Costello
3. D Turley
4. R McGovern
5. D O'Hagen
6. M Higgens
7. C Poland
8. R Digney
9 A McArdle
10 P Devlin
11. C Harrison
12 B Kane
13. P McPolin
14 E Toner
15 J Conelly

Would any of these players be expected to step up to the senior squad when they exit the U21 championship, whenever that may be?
[/quote]

Out of interest;
Can anyone name the clubs these boys came from - this is the bunch that as minors that narrowly lost to tyrone in Omagh?
[/quote]

1. K Gordan - Loughinisland
2. O Costello - Bredagh
3. D Turley - Downpatrick
4. R McGovern - Burren
5. D O'Hagan - Clonduff
6. M Higgins - Ballymartin
7. C Poland - Longstone
8. R Digney - Saval
9 A McArdle - Burren
10 P Devlin - Kilcoo
11. C Harrison - Glasdrumman
12 B Kane - Kilcoo
13. P McPolin - Clonduff
14 E Toner - Burren
15 J Connolly - Downpatrick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on March 25, 2010, 01:34:24 PM
Mid Down Gael, you are right, it probably isnt really right to come on and slate the manager here, just after the team has been beaten.. But to be honest, we all said the same thing when he was appointed. He didnt becaome a bad manager overnight some might say, thats becasue he was never a manager in the first place! We all said at the very start that he has no experience whatsoever to manage at that level. It was ludacris that he got the job in the first place. He should go. so i agree with the gael there . By the way, Theres no way Connaire Harrison should play county level either. Hes got a terrible attitude. Thats been said before on here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on March 25, 2010, 03:28:03 PM
HELP WANTED
Would anybody have the final league tables for Divisions 1,2, 3 & 4 from last year?
I can't find them on the Down website and I'm trying to get my previews done for the start of the club leagues.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on March 25, 2010, 04:03:21 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on March 24, 2010, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on March 24, 2010, 04:20:42 PM
Does anyone know the date for the NFL 2 Final so I can make arrangements (Assuming we are there of course)

According to the GAA master fixtures plan, Division 1 & 2 NFL finals are on Sunday 25th April, i'd imagine it'll be a double header in Croke Park like last year.

Thanks MR
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on March 25, 2010, 10:34:26 PM
Quote from: thegael on March 25, 2010, 08:48:26 AM
Quote from: thegael on November 26, 2009, 10:51:41 AM
Mid Down ofcourse they should be judged that way. My issue is how in the name of God he got the job.He has zero managerial track record bar a little with div 4 annsborough!!!!
I am told he is not even a member of the gaa .
He would be laughed at if he went for any decent club job he hasn't the cv and it is absolutely ludicrous that he was appointed in the first place!
Things need to be done properly could you imagine him getting a managerial job with any top club team - no way he just hasn't the experience.As a long time follower of Down football club and county I have never seen him at a game. Yes he might go to the silly nostalgic functions about the 90 s teams and plays the great respectable game of golf with old teammates - yawn yawn but he isn't a football man he hasn't got the experience!It is madness to have appointed him ! He probably is a nice fella but going straight in as a county under 21 manager is madness beyond belief !
How in 2009 can such appointments be made at least mc cartan did his time served his apprenticeship so to speak with queens , burren, st galls and ballinderry but collins has not - this is a serious issue ans this should not have happened!
They are not an experienced management team.
Would a leading club side in down let them in charge of a senior team?? no chance  - a disaster of an appointment by our co board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on March 26, 2010, 05:39:49 PM
surely ryan brady should have at least been on the u21 panel this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on March 26, 2010, 06:30:33 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on March 26, 2010, 05:39:49 PM
surely ryan brady should have at least been on the u21 panel this year.
I agree ryan should definatly made at least the panel and would have been close to a starting place. Lookin at the starting team only about 5 or 6 are overage next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 26, 2010, 06:54:06 PM
Quote from: No hoper on March 26, 2010, 06:30:33 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on March 26, 2010, 05:39:49 PM
surely ryan brady should have at least been on the u21 panel this year.
I agree ryan should definatly made at least the panel and would have been close to a starting place. Lookin at the starting team only about 5 or 6 are overage next year.

I may be wrong but Ryan didnt make himself available due to an ankle injury. 14 off the first 24 are available next year again along with Paudie Poland and David McKibben who where not on the 24 on wednesday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 27, 2010, 05:48:56 PM
Well done to St Colmans on their ten point success and St Malachys on their facile 20 point win in their respective all ireland simi finals today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on March 27, 2010, 06:00:23 PM
great results for St.Colman's and St.Malachy's today hopefully will be a double header at Croke Park in a fortnights time-congratulations and well done!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on March 27, 2010, 06:59:20 PM
I assume that a large part of the reason we are doing so bad in the minor league is that there are alot of St Malachy's and St Colman's have still to join that squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 27, 2010, 07:49:38 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on March 27, 2010, 06:59:20 PM
I assume that a large of the reason we are doing so bad in the minor league is that there are alot of St Malachy's and St Colman's have still to join that squad?

That would be a very reasonable assumption Highlander. Well spotted.  8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 28, 2010, 04:21:44 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on March 27, 2010, 06:59:20 PM
I assume that a large part of the reason we are doing so bad in the minor league is that there are alot of St Malachy's and St Colman's have still to join that squad?
In a word....YES
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on March 28, 2010, 04:33:10 PM
Division One football next year   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on March 28, 2010, 04:42:36 PM
In fairness great start by Wee James and the team, i did not think they would have got promoted this year

Just wish we were not going to have to play either Armagh or Donegal in the league final, it to close to the Ulster championship

Whats the story with Luke Howard is he still hurt?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on March 28, 2010, 05:00:46 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on March 28, 2010, 04:42:36 PM
In fairness great start by Wee James and the team, i did not think they would have got promoted this year

Just wish we were not going to have to play either Armagh or Donegal in the league final, it to close to the Ulster championship

Whats the story with Luke Howard is he still hurt?

Wouldnt necessarily agree. Good preparation for the championship and another game against Donegal would allow us to suss out how to best deal with their main threat, Murphy. Would like to play Armagh purely to demonstrate once more how we are the better team and put the manners on Fearon and co
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on March 28, 2010, 06:45:49 PM
From the RTE SITE

Benny Coulter pulled the strings for Down as they secured promotion  to Allianz NFL Division 1 with a comfortable win over lowly Westmeath.
Coulter failed to score at Cusack Park but took to the play-making  role perfectly, with Mark Poland (1-04) leading the visitors' scoring.
Ambrose Rodgers helped himself to 1-02 as Westmeath, who are bound  for Division 3, trailed by 1-08 to 0-03 at half-time.
  Coulter and Rodgers then teed up Poland's goal, and Westmeath's woes  were compounded by Doran Harte's late sending-off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 28, 2010, 06:57:12 PM

scorers today were
Ambrose Rodgers 1-3 (1 from 45)
Mark Poland 1-4 (3f)
Ronan Murtagh 0-3
John Clarke 0-3
Danny Hughes 0-1
Conor Maginn 0-1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 28, 2010, 07:08:25 PM
All that plus 12 wides.Need to be more clinical at Croke Park and Ballybofey.Would you play Big Dan in either ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 28, 2010, 09:22:49 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 28, 2010, 07:08:25 PM
All that plus 12 wides.Need to be more clinical at Croke Park and Ballybofey.Would you play Big Dan in either ?


It would always have been unthinkable that Dan would not be a cert for 1 of the 2 midfield positions. But King and Ambrose are playing some stuff at the minute however Dan is a better fielder than both and would do well under the current mark rule. I always thought that if the county could produce another quality midfielder then Dan could have been an option at full forward again, but at the minute there already is serious competition for places in the forwards. I hope come Ballybofey though he will be somewhere in the starting 15.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on March 28, 2010, 11:29:28 PM
Ballyholland v Saval 5pm Saturday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on March 29, 2010, 09:45:32 AM
Are the League games going ahead as scheduled on Easter Monday? I heard a rumour they are off as Down won
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on March 29, 2010, 09:51:10 AM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 28, 2010, 09:22:49 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 28, 2010, 07:08:25 PM
All that plus 12 wides.Need to be more clinical at Croke Park and Ballybofey.Would you play Big Dan in either ?


It would always have been unthinkable that Dan would not be a cert for 1 of the 2 midfield positions. But King and Ambrose are playing some stuff at the minute however Dan is a better fielder than both and would do well under the current mark rule. I always thought that if the county could produce another quality midfielder then Dan could have been an option at full forward again, but at the minute there already is serious competition for places in the forwards. I hope come Ballybofey though he will be somewhere in the starting 15.


Why is he def. back in the squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on March 29, 2010, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on March 29, 2010, 09:45:32 AM
Are the League games going ahead as scheduled on Easter Monday? I heard a rumour they are off as Down won
Wouldnt thinks so as there is still one more league game left before final

Would be crazy to start that carry on so early as there are around 1500 + senior footballers to be looked after as well as the 30 or so on the county panel. There really is no slippage on the calendar to allow for this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on March 29, 2010, 10:31:59 AM
How many teams have switched their game to Saturday instead? Just curious as to what div2 games still going ahead on Monday, thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on March 29, 2010, 02:14:42 PM
When I walked into the game yesterday Dan was there at the shop behind the stand,good to see him out at least watching the lads .When he see,s the way the lads have been playing it will give him an appetite to get back,cant wait to see him in the red and black
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on March 29, 2010, 02:32:37 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on March 29, 2010, 10:31:59 AM
How many teams have switched their game to Saturday instead? Just curious as to what div2 games still going ahead on Monday, thanks
Think the Kilclief/Downpatrick game is going ahead on Monday as Strangford failed to make the Harry Clarke cup this year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 29, 2010, 08:26:35 PM
Makes no odds to us, didn't we beat the mighty Hoops with a team of kids and oul men on the loughshore last year? 

We'll not mention the result when our "stars" featured in the return fixture   :o

The town wouldn't be a big soccer stronghold, would it?  ::) 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 29, 2010, 08:46:05 PM
Quote from: No1 on March 29, 2010, 08:26:35 PM
Makes no odds to us, didn't we beat the mighty Hoops with a team of kids and oul men on the loughshore last year? 

We'll not mention the result when our "stars" featured in the return fixture   :o

The town wouldn't be a big soccer stronghold, would it?  ::)

I see Downpatrick failed to field in two ACPRFL games already this year. Whats the craic with that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on March 29, 2010, 09:02:34 PM
Quote from: sebastion on March 29, 2010, 02:14:42 PM
When I walked into the game yesterday Dan was there at the shop behind the stand,good to see him out at least watching the lads .When he see,s the way the lads have been playing it will give him an appetite to get back,cant wait to see him in the red and black

L'island were playing a friendly at the weekend in Westmeath that would explain his attendance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on March 29, 2010, 09:36:47 PM
Whilst I know the forward line is on fire at the minute I would like to see big Dan played in at FF as he would be an excellent target man and it would be quite unfair not to play King at midfield given the quality stuff he is producing. Also, King provides a more physical presance at midfield which would come in handy for stopping any opposition  midfielders playing their game.
For me, a Coulter Gordon and Mc Comiskey full forward line would be unstoppable should all be on form, with Lavery and J Clarke very good options to bring in as impact subs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 29, 2010, 09:40:21 PM
Dodgy, seeing as it seems as though James and co have spent the past 3 months coaching their team not to kick the ball away aimlessly at the full-forward line, I imagine you won't be seeing a 6' 4" target man being thrown in there anytime soon. Which, I have to say, I'm very glad about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on March 29, 2010, 09:42:11 PM
Marty Clarke doesn't kick too many aimless balls though!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on March 29, 2010, 09:51:46 PM
I think our forward line is operating well at the minute,and come championship time we will need Dan in the middle of the field
I think John Clarke should hold his place in ff line
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 29, 2010, 11:03:17 PM
John Clarke has been absolutly outstanding at full forward and is a cert come 30th May along with Benny inside. The other corner forward slot looks to be a tight call between Murtagh, McComiskey and Laverty. Or Possibly using Aidan Carr at 13 and roving out. Danny Hughes and Marty clarke are certs in the half forward line based on form with Kearney, Maginn and Poland pushing for a place. We have some serious options in attack this year. The way Ambrose and Kallum are performing at midfield they deserve to be first choice and i think Dan is leaving it too late to return with championship only 8 weeks away. he would need to be back in the next 2 weeks to give himself a chance off starting in Ballybofey. Maybe he could be an option at 12 with kickouts aimed at him allowing King to sit in a defensive midfield role.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 29, 2010, 11:42:25 PM
MDG, there is an expectation that Dan will be back shortly, and no 12 would be very much an option for him. You are right to highlight his strength on the wing for kick-outs, and he made his senior debut for Down as a wing half forward. It is certainly difficult to see our present midfield from being changed in a hurry.

It is a very long time since we had such competition for forward places. Murtagh did well yesterday but is probably behind Kearney, Maginn, Poland and Laverty in the race for a single place which McComiskey, if fit, might edge. There is also the prospect that Doyle could return in either attack or defence, and Fitzpatrick and Carr are also contenders for the half forward line.

We obviously do not have the same number of alternatives at the back, but to date this season we have the best defence in all four league divisions. We  are bound to have a few ups and downs before the championship, and Ballybofey will be a tough place to go, but there is an upward curve there which is heartening at every level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on March 30, 2010, 09:12:47 AM
No ACPRL fixtures on Easter Sunday according to the Irish News
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on March 30, 2010, 12:34:07 PM
I think Dan would fit in anywhere in the team,I know it would seam unfair to players to have played all the national league and come the later stages , your place to be threatened  by someone who has not been there,but we all know that he will be back sooner or later ,and the sooner the better.As other places in the team are concerned corner back Dan McCartan for me struggles in this team and at this level,James has to show some Strong manegerial skills and replace this player,Luke Howard would be the first person that comes to mind.Stephen Kearney is another player for me that is a little shaky ,every time he gains possion he either goes backways or side ways and playing in the half forward line you need a player to be driving forward,taking on players,and picking out our full forwards.He also switches off when we are not in possion ,he is always the wrong side of the ball and try's to compensate when it is too late.Liam Doyle ,I hear is only going to be fit for at the very most a half if we want him to be fit for the next game as he is in pure agony after a training session ,so is going to be a good man at coming in to a game .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 30, 2010, 12:34:58 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on March 30, 2010, 09:12:47 AM
No ACPRL fixtures on Easter Sunday according to the Irish News

Letting us all get our Sunday roast! :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 30, 2010, 01:24:50 PM
Quote from: sebastion on March 30, 2010, 12:34:07 PM
I think Dan would fit in anywhere in the team,I know it would seam unfair to players to have played all the national league and come the later stages , your place to be threatened  by someone who has not been there,but we all know that he will be back sooner or later ,and the sooner the better.As other places in the team are concerned corner back Dan McCartan for me struggles in this team and at this level,James has to show some Strong manegerial skills and replace this player,Luke Howard would be the first person that comes to mind.Stephen Kearney is another player for me that is a little shaky ,every time he gains possion he either goes backways or side ways and playing in the half forward line you need a player to be driving forward,taking on players,and picking out our full forwards.He also switches off when we are not in possion ,he is always the wrong side of the ball and try's to compensate when it is too late.Liam Doyle ,I hear is only going to be fit for at the very most a half if we want him to be fit for the next game as he is in pure agony after a training session ,so is going to be a good man at coming in to a game .
Maybe have a another analysis of your post there. Luke Howard did his cruciate and has not played a competitive match in 8 or 9 months at any  level and probably had the guts of collective training for 3 weeks since his trip around the world and your looking to fire him into the mix at undercounty level?
Undefeated in six, with promotion a game in advance and your questioning the strength of his managerial skills?  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 30, 2010, 02:49:07 PM
Quote from: sebastion on March 30, 2010, 12:34:07 PM
I think Dan would fit in anywhere in the team,I know it would seam unfair to players to have played all the national league and come the later stages , your place to be threatened  by someone who has not been there,but we all know that he will be back sooner or later ,and the sooner the better.As other places in the team are concerned corner back Dan McCartan for me struggles in this team and at this level,James has to show some Strong manegerial skills and replace this player,Luke Howard would be the first person that comes to mind.Stephen Kearney is another player for me that is a little shaky ,every time he gains possion he either goes backways or side ways and playing in the half forward line you need a player to be driving forward,taking on players,and picking out our full forwards.He also switches off when we are not in possion ,he is always the wrong side of the ball and try's to compensate when it is too late.Liam Doyle ,I hear is only going to be fit for at the very most a half if we want him to be fit for the next game as he is in pure agony after a training session ,so is going to be a good man at coming in to a game .


I can't believe how some people are still questioning our county players.

With a convincing promotion to the top tier, this has been Downs most successful run of competive games in years and according to the stats Down at present have the best defence in all four divisions.

How does Dan McCartan struggle for you? Is it because he makes up part of a defensive unit that has conceded less the any other team in the country so far in the NFL?

As for Kearney, against Donegal, Armagh and Westmeath he put himself about and ran himself almost to a standstill doing the dirty work and spoiling for the good of the team. In fact his role of dropping back into defence is a major factor in how this team now plays.

Just what does 'he is always the wrong side of the ball and try's co compensate when it is too late' mean?

It's bad enough singling out players for criticism after defeats never mind when they're winning and winning well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 30, 2010, 03:12:28 PM
i wouldnt worry too much, Mid-term and all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 30, 2010, 03:44:35 PM
Whats your predictions for the club season ahead!!! Kilcoo and Burren must surely be the teams to beat!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on March 30, 2010, 04:09:52 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on March 30, 2010, 02:49:07 PM
Quote from: sebastion on March 30, 2010, 12:34:07 PM
I think Dan would fit in anywhere in the team,I know it would seam unfair to players to have played all the national league and come the later stages , your place to be threatened  by someone who has not been there,but we all know that he will be back sooner or later ,and the sooner the better.As other places in the team are concerned corner back Dan McCartan for me struggles in this team and at this level,James has to show some Strong manegerial skills and replace this player,Luke Howard would be the first person that comes to mind.Stephen Kearney is another player for me that is a little shaky ,every time he gains possion he either goes backways or side ways and playing in the half forward line you need a player to be driving forward,taking on players,and picking out our full forwards.He also switches off when we are not in possion ,he is always the wrong side of the ball and try's to compensate when it is too late.Liam Doyle ,I hear is only going to be fit for at the very most a half if we want him to be fit for the next game as he is in pure agony after a training session ,so is going to be a good man at coming in to a game .


I can't believe how some people are still questioning our county players.

With a convincing promotion to the top tier, this has been Downs most successful run of competive games in years and according to the stats Down at present have the best defence in all four divisions.

How does Dan McCartan struggle for you? Is it because he makes up part of a defensive unit that has conceded less the any other team in the country so far in the NFL?

As for Kearney, against Donegal, Armagh and Westmeath he put himself about and ran himself almost to a standstill doing the dirty work and spoiling for the good of the team. In fact his role of dropping back into defence is a major factor in how this team now plays.

Just what does 'he is always the wrong side of the ball and try's co compensate when it is too late' mean?

It's bad enough singling out players for criticism after defeats never mind when they're winning and winning well.

Let's not get carried away with ourselves lads- yes we have had a decent league so far but we are from the finished article. Just because our defence hasn't conceded as many scores as other teams doesn't mean it is fine- there is definitely work to be done and for me Dan McCartan is not one of the top 6 defenders we have. Don't forget we have been fielding what James deems to be the strongest team available to him each game while just about every other county are using the NFL to test players and give them a chance to stake a claim in a championship team they may not otherwise come close to featuring in.
Yes, things are without doubt on the up but the proof of where we really are will come when the Ulster Championship kicks off!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 30, 2010, 05:42:54 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 30, 2010, 03:44:35 PM
Whats your predictions for the club season ahead!!! Kilcoo and Burren must surely be the teams to beat!!!

What about the team that has won 5 out of the past 6 senior championships?  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on March 30, 2010, 05:54:42 PM
We must not get carried away but overall we are in a good position.

Now as the pitches harden and the ball is goling faster it is  time to let Daniel go back to club football!

We need Dan Gordon asap and throw him straight into midfield.





                                                    the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 30, 2010, 06:31:29 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 30, 2010, 05:42:54 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 30, 2010, 03:44:35 PM
Whats your predictions for the club season ahead!!! Kilcoo and Burren must surely be the teams to beat!!!

What about the team that has won 5 out of the past 6 senior championships?  :)

Past it ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 30, 2010, 06:33:06 PM
Quote from: thegael on March 30, 2010, 05:54:42 PM
We must not get carried away but overall we are in a good position.

Now as the pitches harden and the ball is goling faster it is  time to let Daniel go back to club football!

We need Dan Gordon asap and throw him straight into midfield.





                                                    the gael takes no prisoners!

Give Dan a break, they lad has had a good league campaign thusfar and is on the team on merit!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on March 30, 2010, 08:09:55 PM
What I mean by being the wrong side of the ball is,James wants his half forwards to come back and help out his half backs and on countless occasions Stephen is marking a man that is not involved in the play and when he decides to get back he is left chasing shadows,look I have seen Stephen Kearney playing decent stuff in a county jersey in the NL but I am not fully convinced about him.Dan McCartan when exposed to a one on one situation will foul the lad can not tackle and you can not do that at full back,he has got away with it so far in NL but when fitter players come along in the summer he will not cut it .example,rugby tackle in the Armagh game for the pen.Westmeath is hardly a cutting edge team in Ireland at the minute,it just my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on March 30, 2010, 08:12:40 PM
I seen Luke Howard at the Armagh game with water on the side line and thought he must be training with the team,I stand corrected if what you say is true,dundrumite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on March 30, 2010, 10:29:03 PM
Quote from: sebastion on March 30, 2010, 08:09:55 PM
What I mean by being the wrong side of the ball is,James wants his half forwards to come back and help out his half backs and on countless occasions Stephen is marking a man that is not involved in the play and when he decides to get back he is left chasing shadows,look I have seen Stephen Kearney playing decent stuff in a county jersey in the NL but I am not fully convinced about him.Dan McCartan when exposed to a one on one situation will foul the lad can not tackle and you can not do that at full back,he has got away with it so far in NL but when fitter players come along in the summer he will not cut it .example,rugby tackle in the Armagh game for the pen.Westmeath is hardly a cutting edge team in Ireland at the minute,it just my opinion.

Thankfully for the County, your opinion is worthless..... and Wee James and the management team obviously disagrees with it. Dan has played his part in helping Down to get promoted to Div 1. and the much criticised Down defence have currently the best defensive record in the league.. Dan has nothin to prove...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on March 30, 2010, 11:20:43 PM
Quote from: The Worker on March 30, 2010, 10:29:03 PM
Quote from: sebastion on March 30, 2010, 08:09:55 PM
What I mean by being the wrong side of the ball is,James wants his half forwards to come back and help out his half backs and on countless occasions Stephen is marking a man that is not involved in the play and when he decides to get back he is left chasing shadows,look I have seen Stephen Kearney playing decent stuff in a county jersey in the NL but I am not fully convinced about him.Dan McCartan when exposed to a one on one situation will foul the lad can not tackle and you can not do that at full back,he has got away with it so far in NL but when fitter players come along in the summer he will not cut it .example,rugby tackle in the Armagh game for the pen.Westmeath is hardly a cutting edge team in Ireland at the minute,it just my opinion.

Thankfully for the County, your opinion is worthless..... and Wee James and the management team obviously disagrees with it. Dan has played his part in helping Down to get promoted to Div 1. and the much criticised Down defence have currently the best defensive record in the league.. Dan has nothin to prove...
I' m only airing my opinion ,and it is easy to fall into the opinion that the team are doing well and will continue to do so with out making changes to personal,and there is no doubt they are at the minute. I'm just looking a few weeks down the line, croke park will test a few players the wide open spaces will reveal who has what to offer and don't get me wrong I hope wee James does not have to make a change to the team come the game of the NL final but I think he will have to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on March 31, 2010, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: sebastion on March 30, 2010, 11:20:43 PM
Quote from: The Worker on March 30, 2010, 10:29:03 PM
Quote from: sebastion on March 30, 2010, 08:09:55 PM
What I mean by being the wrong side of the ball is,James wants his half forwards to come back and help out his half backs and on countless occasions Stephen is marking a man that is not involved in the play and when he decides to get back he is left chasing shadows,look I have seen Stephen Kearney playing decent stuff in a county jersey in the NL but I am not fully convinced about him.Dan McCartan when exposed to a one on one situation will foul the lad can not tackle and you can not do that at full back,he has got away with it so far in NL but when fitter players come along in the summer he will not cut it .example,rugby tackle in the Armagh game for the pen.Westmeath is hardly a cutting edge team in Ireland at the minute,it just my opinion.

Thankfully for the County, your opinion is worthless..... and Wee James and the management team obviously disagrees with it. Dan has played his part in helping Down to get promoted to Div 1. and the much criticised Down defence have currently the best defensive record in the league.. Dan has nothin to prove...
I' m only airing my opinion ,and it is easy to fall into the opinion that the team are doing well and will continue to do so with out making changes to personal,and there is no doubt they are at the minute. I'm just looking a few weeks down the line, croke park will test a few players the wide open spaces will reveal who has what to offer and don't get me wrong I hope wee James does not have to make a change to the team come the game of the NL final but I think he will have to.
I agree with you Sebastian, especially about Dan McCartan ( Not so much Kearney)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on March 31, 2010, 02:26:36 PM
Castlewellan Invitational Sevens ( Men and Ladies Football)
Sponsored by Azzurri


A Chara

The Castlewellan Invitational seven-a-side senior football competition which will be held on Saturday 1st May 2010 in Castlewellan Co. Down. Our Club has been running a very successful men's annual seven-a-side competition for the past 30 years second only in stature to the Dublin Kilmacud Sevens with winners of the Castlewellan sevens receiving invitations each year to enter the prestigious Kilmacud Seven held on the eve of the All-Ireland final. Indeed many of the Castlewellan Sevens winners have gone on to win the Kilmacud Sevens in the same year.

Traditionally the Castlewellan Sevens have beed held on the eve of the All-Ireland hurling final but due to increasing club commitments at this time of years we have decided to relaunch our sevens competition in 2010 for the earlier date of Saturday May 1st. Also for the first time ever we will be hosting our Ladies annual seven-a-side competition on the same day. The winning team in each competitions this year will receive £1000.00 and runners-up £250.


This is an official GAA tournament and normal GAA rules apply, each participating club must obtain permission in writing from its respective County Committee. It is also a requirement that clubs are covered under the Players' Injury Scheme currently approved by Ard Chomhairle.

The Sevens are of course more than a highly competitive one-day competition. It is always a great social occasion and we can guarantee you a warm Co Down welcome to Castlewellan and to our Clubrooms where we will provide top quality meals for all players and officials and host a grand evenings entertainment. Many Clubs opt to stay over in some of the Town's fine guesthouses and local hotels a list of which is also attached.

A competition of this level with top quality prizes and meals for all competitors and officials makes it necessary for us to set a fee to off-set the expenses involved, the entry fee this year is £160stg per team or €180, please make cheques payable to Castlewellan G.A.C. Entry forms may be posted to secretary.castlewellan.down@gaa.ie


For further details of the competition including past winners etc please visit our website at  http://castlewellangac.webs.com/castlewellan7s.htm

Mise le mor-mheas

Rónán O'Cionga

Ronan O Cionga
Runai
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 01, 2010, 02:12:38 PM
Did any body here anything about the ref dispute,I hear they are looking for more money which I think they are entitled too.When a ref does a game for a school the two schools involved pay him more than the county board do.If the county board paid better we would have more refs and may be a better quality of ref?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on April 01, 2010, 03:58:55 PM
Quote from: sebastion on April 01, 2010, 02:12:38 PM
Did any body here anything about the ref dispute,I hear they are looking for more money which I think they are entitled too.When a ref does a game for a school the two schools involved pay him more than the county board do.If the county board paid better we would have more refs and may be a better quality of ref?
Good job they are not paid on performance or fitness or some of them would owe us all money
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 01, 2010, 05:00:55 PM
Quote from: sebastion on April 01, 2010, 02:12:38 PM
Did any body here anything about the ref dispute,I hear they are looking for more money which I think they are entitled too.When a ref does a game for a school the two schools involved pay him more than the county board do.If the county board paid better we would have more refs and may be a better quality of ref?

That report above was printed in back page of Mourne Observer, i am wary of the date 1ST APRIL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 01, 2010, 08:28:24 PM
Quote from: umpire on April 01, 2010, 05:00:55 PM
Quote from: sebastion on April 01, 2010, 02:12:38 PM
Did any body here anything about the ref dispute,I hear they are looking for more money which I think they are entitled too.When a ref does a game for a school the two schools involved pay him more than the county board do.If the county board paid better we would have more refs and may be a better quality of ref?

That report above was printed in back page of Mourne Observer, i am wary of the date 1ST APRIL
I think the more appealing the county board make it to be a ref the better the standard will be,but the county board must up the standard as well as their wages.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 02, 2010, 08:14:32 PM
with the league due to get underway this Monday and its still pissing down, what the state of the grounds?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Class of 99 on April 02, 2010, 09:57:32 PM
Folks what is going on with Dan Gordon. Time is running out surely no stone should be left unturned to get him back. We are talking about pure class here that may be the difference.
Although he owes the county nothing Im hoping he doesn't regret this break. Playing days can be short so I really hope to see Dan back asap. IMO an allstar in waiting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on April 02, 2010, 10:07:44 PM
The Dan Gordon thing needs to be put to bed. It was the player who chose to take the break & it will be the player who will decide if & when he wants to return.
Look at Tyrone & Mickey Harte's approach to Stephen O'Neill's exile, the player let it be known to the management when he had found the desire to return & I think it should be a similar situation here!

Until the time comes where Dan has a serious desire to return to the County setup then its best for all involved that the team move on & concentrate on the upcoming Championship game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 03, 2010, 05:36:02 PM
by all accounts we will see Dan back in a Down jersey sooner rather than later.What ever happened between Dan and the county it took a bit of time to heal that rift but Dan's heart I,m sure is with the county and time is a great healer everyone stood back and waited for the dust to settle and now its time for him to come back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 03, 2010, 05:39:07 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 02, 2010, 08:14:32 PM
with the league due to get underway this Monday and its still pissing down, what the state of the grounds?
I,m hearing that the grounds are in pretty bad shape ,the weather is atrocious at the minute and it gives it to be as bad over the weekend and on Monday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 03, 2010, 05:41:05 PM
Quote from: sebastion on April 03, 2010, 05:36:02 PM
by all accounts we will see Dan back in a Down jersey sooner rather than later.What ever happened between Dan and the county it took a bit of time to heal that rift but Dan's heart I,m sure is with the county and time is a great healer everyone stood back and waited for the dust to settle and now its time for him to come back

Care to elaborate because everyone has been told by the team manager on numerous occasions that there was no fall out with Dan, maybe you know otherwise?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 03, 2010, 06:11:17 PM
ACFL Division 1 Result

Liatroim 0-9 An Riocht 1-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on April 03, 2010, 07:00:13 PM
With or without JC MC &BMcV?

I assume mondays games will be starred
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 03, 2010, 07:00:52 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 03, 2010, 06:11:17 PM
ACFL Division 1 Result

Liatroim 0-9 An Riocht 1-7

The Down website states that Ballyholland beat Saval 13-9 in division two this evening!!!  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 03, 2010, 07:01:24 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on April 03, 2010, 07:00:13 PM
With or without JC MC &BMcV?

I assume mondays games will be starred

Definately not starred.. why would they be????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on April 03, 2010, 07:17:27 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 03, 2010, 07:00:52 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 03, 2010, 06:11:17 PM
ACFL Division 1 Result

Liatroim 0-9 An Riocht 1-7

The Down website states that Ballyholland beat Saval 13-9 in division two this evening!!!  :o

and were full value for the win.  ronan murtaghs free taking was sublime.  should be an interesting division this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 03, 2010, 07:52:32 PM
An Riochts 4 county players all played and played well. Marty C kicked 0-3 with John scoring a brilliant 1-4. Colgan was strong and resourceful at 6. Liam Doyle played the full game at midfield for Liatroim and was their top player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 03, 2010, 08:11:37 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on April 03, 2010, 07:17:27 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 03, 2010, 07:00:52 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 03, 2010, 06:11:17 PM
ACFL Division 1 Result

Liatroim 0-9 An Riocht 1-7

The Down website states that Ballyholland beat Saval 13-9 in division two this evening!!!  :o

and were full value for the win.  ronan murtaghs free taking was sublime.  should be an interesting division this year.


Solid start by our lads despite Saval using the wind to lead by 4 points at half time. As said before Murtagh was majestic from the dead ball...Wee James was in the crowd and wouldnt have recognised the Danny Hughes that turned up for Saval today....he was kept very quiet.   Shams up next on Friday night and then we'll take the Grand National on Saturday to round off a good week ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 03, 2010, 08:16:36 PM
A Chara,

CCC has decided due to the intense schedule of our Senior County Players over recent weeks that the games scheduled for April 9th for Div 2 3 & 4 will go ahead as planned, but the County Senior Manager would ask those clubs who have county panalists to maybe consider playing those games earlier in the week if possible. The series of games for all clubs due to be played on Mon April 12th will be moved to later in the season. Games scheduled for Fri April 16th will go ahead as planned with the full involvement of county panalists. Games to be played on April 23rd which were already agreed as being "possibly starred" are now "starred" for county panalists.

is mise
Sean O Ruanaidh
Title: ACFL Div 2
Post by: No1 on April 03, 2010, 08:32:45 PM
Good start for the Harps. 

Kilclief V RGU looking very doubtful for Monday, our pitch is completely waterlogged and it usually holds the water very well.  By all accounts Downpatrick is in bad shape aswell.

To drink or not to drink, that is the question.............................    ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 03, 2010, 08:58:38 PM
It's not often that Kilcief can't host a match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on April 03, 2010, 09:51:54 PM
Lecale. Whats the craic with this ref strike, and more importantly, will it effect wed nite's games??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 03, 2010, 10:00:03 PM
There's no strike. A load of sh*te.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on April 04, 2010, 10:27:02 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 03, 2010, 08:58:38 PM
It's not often that Kilcief can't host a match.
Had it on good authority before the rain that Kilclief woul be looking this match off.
Never heard of their pitch being unplayable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on April 04, 2010, 11:15:42 AM
a pal of mine rang to say that the Ballykinlar pitch was un- playable after the rain of the last few days and that was most unusual
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on April 04, 2010, 11:37:42 AM
An Riocht got out of jail last night big time. Liatroim were coasting when a speculative shot by Marty Clarke came off the bar & was fisted home by his brother John. Until this point The Kingdom looked clueless & a ridiculous piece of Refereeing effectively handed them the game.

A scrap for the ball developed on the Liatroim 21 line & there was players from both sides fighting for the ball yet an official who was in the An Riocht half of the field spotted a pick off the ground & put The Kingdom one up.
He then started a melee  through his incompetence to deal with a straight forward sideline ball & the 2 resulting hop balls resulted in scuffles.
Boys may say ultimately that the players are at fault but as a neutral I felt the Ref caused the trouble that occurred & ultimately won An Riocht the game. Liatroim did have chances to come back but against the wind it proved to be a step too much.

Marty Clarke was well shackled by Aidan Rice & was fairly quiet while his County colleague James Colgan had a very tough time on PP McCartan who kicked some lovely scores , highlighting Colgan's weakness when faced with a player who directly takes him on.

John Clarke was good for An Riocht but Liam Dowyle for me was probably the best player on the field catching some great ball & using his left foot to good efffect in setting up Liatroim attacks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on April 04, 2010, 03:47:55 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 03, 2010, 07:01:24 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on April 03, 2010, 07:00:13 PM
With or without JC MC &BMcV?

I assume mondays games will be starred

Definately not starred.. why would they be????

Down play on Sunday, granted not an important game. Friday definatley starred then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 04, 2010, 03:55:04 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on April 04, 2010, 03:47:55 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 03, 2010, 07:01:24 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on April 03, 2010, 07:00:13 PM
With or without JC MC &BMcV?

I assume mondays games will be starred

Definately not starred.. why would they be????

Down play on Sunday, granted not an important game. Friday definatley starred then?

This Friday's games are definitely not starred.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 04, 2010, 04:11:36 PM
ACFL Divsion one Result

Clonduff 5-5 Mayobridge 1-11.

Some start for the Yellas and Paul Lamb.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on April 04, 2010, 04:32:33 PM
Disappointing start for us today. But Clonduff cut through our defence with ease, they have  a very young squad there and deserved their win. But the bridge will bounce back next outing.  Bridge had a lot of possesion but couldnt convert their chances! Ref was a joke too!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 04, 2010, 04:57:16 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on April 04, 2010, 04:32:33 PM
Disappointing start for us today. But Clonduff cut through our defence with ease, they have  a very young squad there and deserved their win. But the bridge will bounce back next outing.  Bridge had a lot of possesion but couldnt convert their chances! Ref was a joke too!!

Rumour has it he had a hand to play in all of Clonduff's 5 goals... Learn to accept defeat Bridge Lad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on April 04, 2010, 07:20:22 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 04, 2010, 03:55:04 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on April 04, 2010, 03:47:55 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 03, 2010, 07:01:24 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on April 03, 2010, 07:00:13 PM
With or without JC MC &BMcV?

I assume mondays games will be starred

Definately not starred.. why would they be????

Down play on Sunday, granted not an important game. Friday definatley starred then?

This Friday's games are definitely not starred.

Even with Down playing on the Saturday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 04, 2010, 07:37:24 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on April 04, 2010, 07:20:22 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 04, 2010, 03:55:04 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on April 04, 2010, 03:47:55 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 03, 2010, 07:01:24 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on April 03, 2010, 07:00:13 PM
With or without JC MC &BMcV?

I assume mondays games will be starred

Definately not starred.. why would they be????

Down play on Sunday, granted not an important game. Friday definatley starred then?

This Friday's games are definitely not starred.

Even with Down playing on the Saturday?

McCartan has asked that clubs with county panellists should try, if possible, to bring their games forward from Friday night. This set of fixtures is deffo not starred.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 04, 2010, 11:51:06 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 04, 2010, 04:57:16 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on April 04, 2010, 04:32:33 PM
Disappointing start for us today. But Clonduff cut through our defence with ease, they have  a very young squad there and deserved their win. But the bridge will bounce back next outing.  Bridge had a lot of possesion but couldnt convert their chances! Ref was a joke too!!

Rumour has it he had a hand to play in all of Clonduff's 5 goals... Learn to accept defeat Bridge Lad.

The ref gave the bridge many dubious free kicks today to keep them in the game. If the truth be told he refereed the game well and the bridge in no way should be blaming him. Clonduff ran them ragged with Jason Brown scoring 2-2 off Conor Garvey. Arthur McConnville and Darren OHagan where immence in midfield for Clonduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on April 05, 2010, 03:30:51 AM
Quote from: norabeag on April 04, 2010, 10:27:02 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 03, 2010, 08:58:38 PM
It's not often that Kilcief can't host a match.
Had it on good authority before the rain that Kilclief woul be looking this match off.
Never heard of their pitch being unplayable
Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 05, 2010, 02:31:09 PM
QuoteHad it on good authority before the rain that Kilclief woul be looking this match off.
Never heard of their pitch being unplayable

::)  Stop talking shite.

Game is on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 05, 2010, 02:43:09 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 05, 2010, 02:31:09 PM
QuoteHad it on good authority before the rain that Kilclief woul be looking this match off.
Never heard of their pitch being unplayable

::)  Stop talking shite.

Game is on.

You go on the beer then No1? :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 05, 2010, 03:03:56 PM
No comment.   :o

Let's just hope we have a full squad!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on April 05, 2010, 03:09:47 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on April 04, 2010, 04:32:33 PM
Disappointing start for us today. But Clonduff cut through our defence with ease, they have  a very young squad there and deserved their win. But the bridge will bounce back next outing.  Bridge had a lot of possesion but couldnt convert their chances! Ref was a joke too!!

Fanatic u P***K, does this sound as if i haven't accepted the defeat? Read the post properly u twat!!!!
You are used to that standard of refereeing in Division 3!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on April 05, 2010, 03:52:25 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on April 05, 2010, 03:09:47 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on April 04, 2010, 04:32:33 PM
Disappointing start for us today. But Clonduff cut through our defence with ease, they have  a very young squad there and deserved their win. But the bridge will bounce back next outing.  Bridge had a lot of possesion but couldnt convert their chances! Ref was a joke too!!

Fanatic u P***K, does this sound as if i haven't accepted the defeat? Read the post properly u t**t!!!!
You are used to that standard of refereeing in Division 3!
You may get used to him Bridge Lad as he is the new rising star of refs.
The more Div 1 games he gets the less chance we have of getting him. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 05, 2010, 06:17:03 PM
Div 3 Result

Glen 0-10 Bredagh 2-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on April 05, 2010, 06:44:10 PM
division 3
H.T SCORE
Dundrum 0:7
St John's 0:3

F.T SCORE
Dundrum 0:7
St John's 0:6

St john's sent to 14 men after a second booking near the end of the 1st half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 05, 2010, 06:49:25 PM
Bryansford 0.4 Burren 0.5
Castlewellan 0.9 Kilcoo 1.11
Rostrevor 1.8 Longstone 1.8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on April 05, 2010, 06:58:29 PM
Dpk beat Kilclief by 3 points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on April 05, 2010, 07:08:37 PM
Carryduff beat drumaness by 7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on April 05, 2010, 07:30:11 PM
Saul 1-6 Darragh Cross 1-9

HT: 1-3 to 1-3

Saul know that they didn't do enough in the first half with wind in their favour and also allowing Darragh a 1-1 to 0-0 start before getting going although there are both learning points and positives with a number of league debutants today. Darragh were more clinical late in the game when 3 unanswered points in the closing 5 mins sealed the win, having been a lot more crafty with the wind in the opening 32.5 mins.
Title: div2
Post by: goldenyears on April 05, 2010, 08:26:46 PM
Clann na Banna 1-10 - 0-6 Annaclone

Tullylish 1-10 - 0-5 Atticall

Warrenpoint 1-5 - 0-9 Ballymartin

Loughinisland 2-12 - 1-6 Shamrocks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 05, 2010, 08:54:53 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on April 05, 2010, 03:09:47 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on April 04, 2010, 04:32:33 PM
Disappointing start for us today. But Clonduff cut through our defence with ease, they have  a very young squad there and deserved their win. But the bridge will bounce back next outing.  Bridge had a lot of possesion but couldnt convert their chances! Ref was a joke too!!

Fanatic u P***K, does this sound as if i haven't accepted the defeat? Read the post properly u t**t!!!!
You are used to that standard of refereeing in Division 3!

Fiesty.. Refs are easy blamed but just like players will have stinkers, ust something I think we have to accept.

Norabeg meant to ask earlier did RGU not field in couple of reserves games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on April 05, 2010, 09:47:31 PM
There seems to have been a lot of low scoring games.  Was the weather that big a factor?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on April 05, 2010, 09:57:18 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 05, 2010, 08:54:53 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on April 05, 2010, 03:09:47 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on April 04, 2010, 04:32:33 PM
Disappointing start for us today. But Clonduff cut through our defence with ease, they have  a very young squad there and deserved their win. But the bridge will bounce back next outing.  Bridge had a lot of possesion but couldnt convert their chances! Ref was a joke too!!

Fanatic u P***K, does this sound as if i haven't accepted the defeat? Read the post properly u t**t!!!!
You are used to that standard of refereeing in Division 3!

Fiesty.. Refs are easy blamed but just like players will have stinkers, ust something I think we have to accept.

Norabeg meant to ask earlier did RGU not field in couple of reserves games?
Thats right.
Believe the problem is now sorted and that will not happen again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on April 05, 2010, 09:59:08 PM
Quote from: western exile on April 05, 2010, 09:47:31 PM
There seems to have been a lot of low scoring games.  Was the weather that big a factor?
the weather was a very big factor in the division 3 match between Dundrum and St John's 13 points shared between each team
and i say there was allot more wides hit than scores
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 05, 2010, 10:33:29 PM
Yeh weather was a big factor wind was wild at our pitch! Amrose was in the wars took some amount of hits from our boys today, and he still managed a goal. Ended 1-8 a piece, could have gone either way but draw was probably a fair result for a poor game! Longstone didn't look that impressive. Their no 13 took a couple of great scores, but best player on the pitch was rostrevors shaun parr, scored about 3 points but set up most of the rest! Only for him rostrevor may have struggled!

Early days and both teams have potential should be interesting to see how both progess over the year! Howd burren do?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 05, 2010, 10:41:17 PM
Sorry didn't see the burren result!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on April 06, 2010, 01:44:08 PM
Does any1 know when the draw is taking place for this years club championships?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 06, 2010, 11:12:47 PM
Great to hear that Liam Doyle played a whole game,and played well I read.I would love to see him in action on Sunday for the county,I feel we could need him come NFL Final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 07, 2010, 12:50:42 AM
Quote from: sebastion on April 06, 2010, 11:12:47 PM
Great to hear that Liam Doyle played a whole game,and played well I read.I would love to see him in action on Sunday for the county,I feel we could need him come NFL Final

Leave well enough alone..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 07, 2010, 12:14:48 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 07, 2010, 12:50:42 AM
Quote from: sebastion on April 06, 2010, 11:12:47 PM
Great to hear that Liam Doyle played a whole game,and played well I read.I would love to see him in action on Sunday for the county,I feel we could need him come NFL Final

Leave well enough alone..
explain
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 07, 2010, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: sebastion on April 07, 2010, 12:14:48 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 07, 2010, 12:50:42 AM
Quote from: sebastion on April 06, 2010, 11:12:47 PM
Great to hear that Liam Doyle played a whole game,and played well I read.I would love to see him in action on Sunday for the county,I feel we could need him come NFL Final

Leave well enough alone..
explain

The teams doing all right as it is. Why bring him back in just for the final? Good player, could be used to steady the ship late on or something, but should not start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 07, 2010, 12:35:26 PM
Have it on good authority that Dan is back training with the panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 07, 2010, 01:10:42 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on April 07, 2010, 12:35:26 PM
Have it on good authority that Dan is back training with the panel

Yes heard he returned last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 07, 2010, 01:34:04 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 07, 2010, 01:10:42 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on April 07, 2010, 12:35:26 PM
Have it on good authority that Dan is back training with the panel

Yes heard he returned last night.

Must be something coming up.... ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 07, 2010, 02:10:17 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 07, 2010, 01:34:04 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 07, 2010, 01:10:42 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on April 07, 2010, 12:35:26 PM
Have it on good authority that Dan is back training with the panel

Yes heard he returned last night.

Must be something coming up.... ::)

You'd prefer he wasn't involved?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on April 07, 2010, 02:10:40 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 07, 2010, 01:34:04 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 07, 2010, 01:10:42 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on April 07, 2010, 12:35:26 PM
Have it on good authority that Dan is back training with the panel

Yes heard he returned last night.

Must be something coming up.... ::)
now now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 07, 2010, 02:12:11 PM
i blame the parents...is mid-term not over yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 07, 2010, 09:57:45 PM
Any results from the hurling league?

In Div 1 Bredagh & Ballygalget drew 1-10 a piece.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on April 07, 2010, 11:07:30 PM
From County website;

Div 1
Bredagh  2-10 2-10 Ballygalget
Shamrocks  3-15 0-13 Ballyvarley   
Warrenpoint  0-16 2-15 Ballela 

Div2
Portaferry  1-14 4-5 Ballycran   
Ballygalget  1-10 4-9 Carryduff
Castlewellan  4-15 1-5 Bredagh 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 07, 2010, 11:23:49 PM
Good win for Carryduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Class of 99 on April 08, 2010, 08:17:37 AM
Great news about Dan. James will have more headaches now but sure that's the best way to have it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on April 08, 2010, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on April 07, 2010, 12:35:26 PM
Have it on good authority that Dan is back training with the panel

Very Good Authority says he is still on leave.  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 08, 2010, 01:47:15 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 07, 2010, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: sebastion on April 07, 2010, 12:14:48 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 07, 2010, 12:50:42 AM
Quote from: sebastion on April 06, 2010, 11:12:47 PM
Great to hear that Liam Doyle played a whole game,and played well I read.I would love to see him in action on Sunday for the county,I feel we could need him come NFL Final

Leave well enough alone..
explain
I totally agree with you,All I want to see is that everyone that can ,is involved in the panel.We can not move forward with 18 or so players we need 22 players pushing for 15 places,and players that can make an impact

The teams doing all right as it is. Why bring him back in just for the final? Good player, could be used to steady the ship late on or something, but should not start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 08, 2010, 04:56:44 PM
Is there any substance to the Marty Clarke going back to Oz story on main section ?Obviously Kennelly did but with an AI medal in his back pocket.James should demand no less a return(i.e.you can go back when we win an All Ireland)- even if it takes a year or two.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on April 08, 2010, 04:58:54 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 08, 2010, 04:56:44 PM
Is there any substance to the Marty Clarke going back to Oz story on main section ?Obviously Kennelly did but with an AI medal in his back pocket.James should demand no less a return(i.e.you can go back when we win an All Ireland)- even if it takes a year or two.
A friend tells me that that story was on "The Footy Show" on Melbourne TV tonight. But he heard it second hand  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 08, 2010, 07:03:51 PM
I heard he was going back alright and taking his brother John, Benny Coulter, Aidan Carr, Dan Gordan and Kalum King with him. Lynus Grant is supposed to be their agent.

I don't believe it myself but that's the rumour going around South Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on April 08, 2010, 07:23:22 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 08, 2010, 07:03:51 PM
I heard he was going back alright and taking his brother John, Benny Coulter, Aidan Carr, Dan Gordan and Kalum King with him. Lynus Grant is supposed to be their agent.

I don't believe it myself but that's the rumour going around South Down.

:D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 08, 2010, 10:15:12 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 08, 2010, 07:03:51 PM
I heard he was going back alright and taking his brother John, Benny Coulter, Aidan Carr, Dan Gordan and Kalum King with him. Lynus Grant is supposed to be their agent.

I don't believe it myself but that's the rumour going around South Down.
what a load of rubbish some people will suck anything in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 08, 2010, 10:21:46 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 08, 2010, 07:03:51 PM
I heard he was going back alright and taking his brother John, Benny Coulter, Aidan Carr, Dan Gordan and Kalum King with him. Lynus Grant is supposed to be their agent.

I don't believe it myself but that's the rumour going around South Down.

;D

Brilliant

on a more serious note, tomorrow nights Div 3 fixtures

Bredagh  Dundrum  Bredagh
St Johns  Glenn  St Johns
Glasdrumman  Drumaness  Glasdrumman
Carryduff  Drumgath  Carryduff
St John Bosco  Saul  St John Bosco
Darragh Cross  Ardglass  Darragh Cross
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on April 09, 2010, 11:47:41 AM
V Laois

1. Brendan McVeigh (An Ríocht)  Breandán Mac an Bheatha (An Ríocht)
2. Liam Lennon  (Castlewellan)  Liam  Ó Leannáin (Caisléan an Mhuilin)
3. Stephen Kearney (Saval)   Stíofán Ó Cearnaigh (Sabhaill)
4. Damien Rafferty (Newry Shamrocks) Damien Ó Raifeartaigh (Seamrogaí an Íuir)
5. Aidan Brannigan  (Kilcoo) Aodhán  Ó Branagáin (Cill Chua)
6. James Colgan (An Ríocht)  Seamás Mac Colgan (An Ríocht)
7. Kevin Duffin (Castlewellan)  Caoimhín Ó Duifinn (Caisléan an Mhuilin)
8. Peter Fitzpatrick (Ballymartin)  Peadar Mac Giolla Phádraig (Baile Mhairtín)
9. Kalum King (Bryansford)   Colm Ó Cionga (Áth Bhriain)
10. Conor Maginn (Bryansford)  Conchúr Mag Fhinn (Áth Bhriain)
11. Martin Clarke (An Ríocht)  Mairtín Ó Cléirigh (An Ríocht)
12. Timothy Hanna (Bryansford)  Tadhg Ó hAnnaidh  (Áth Bhriain)
13. Ronan Murtagh (Ballyholland)  Rónán Mac Muireartaigh (Baile Cholmáin)
14. John Clarke (An Ríocht)   Seán Ó Cléirigh (An Ríocht)
15. Brendan Coulter (Mayobridge)  Breandán Ó Coltáir (Droichead Mhaigh Éo)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on April 09, 2010, 12:06:18 PM
Excellent.  Good to have a look at other panelists.
Who will captain that side?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 09, 2010, 01:48:07 PM
The obvious captain for Sunday is Dee Rafferty, and it is great to see our u21 captain from last year, Timmy Hanna, back in the team. Our former minor AI captain, Liam Doyle, will hopefully be on the bench, and it would be a further huge boost if yet another former captain, Dan Gordon, appears at some stage against Laois. Can anyone say if he is definitely back in training ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on April 09, 2010, 03:46:41 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 09, 2010, 01:48:07 PM
Dan Gordon, appears at some stage against Laois. Can anyone say if he is definitely back in training ?

He's not. Good source.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: boscomo on April 09, 2010, 07:41:12 PM
Bosco 2-4  Saul 0-4 Half time from the Meadow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on April 09, 2010, 08:43:44 PM
bredagh beat dundrum by a point
st johns beat gleen by a goal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 09, 2010, 08:45:54 PM
Bredagh beat Dundrum by a point in Cherryvale, away to the pub so will report later.. It was never a penalty  >:( 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on April 09, 2010, 08:50:28 PM
St Johns  2-8 1-8 Glenn 
Glasdrumman  1-11 1-7 Drumaness
Carryduff  1-12 0-11 Drumgath
Darragh Cross  2-16 0-6 Ardglass 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 09, 2010, 09:41:44 PM
ACFL Division 2

Annaclone  1-13 1-9 Tullylish  Annaclone Round 2 
Atticall  0-5 1-8 Clann na Banna  Atticall Round 2 
Downpatrick  0-6 1-6 Warrenpoint  Downpatrick Round 2 
Ballymartin  3-15 1-8 Kilclief  Ballymartin Round 2 
Saval  0-10 2-7 Loughinisland  Saval Round 2 
Shamrocks  2-6 0-9 Ballyholland  Shamrocks Round 2 

ACFL Division 3
 
Bredagh  0-9 1-5 Dundrum  Bredagh Round 2 
St Johns  2-8 1-8 Glenn  St Johns Round 2 
Glasdrumman  1-11 1-7 Drumaness  Glasdrumman Round 2 
Carryduff  1-12 0-11 Drumgath  Carryduff Round 2 
St John Bosco  4-7 2-11 Saul  St John Bosco Round 2 
Darragh Cross  2-16 0-6 Ardglass  Darragh Cross Round 2 

ACFL Division 4
St Pauls  4-10 0-14 St Michaels  St Pauls Round 2 
Aghaderg  1-8 3-12 Teconnaught  Aghaderg Round 2 
Dromara  1-8 0-5 Bright  Dromara Round 2 
Ballykinlar  0-7 0-12 Aughlisnafin  Ballykinlar Round 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on April 09, 2010, 09:48:56 PM
One yellow in glassdrumman drumaness game. And it was dirty stuff at times. Several could have walked and a Linesman was struck.

We missed to many chances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 09, 2010, 10:17:21 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 09, 2010, 08:45:54 PM
Bredagh beat Dundrum by a point in Cherryvale, away to the pub so will report later.. It was never a penalty  >:(

I imagine that report probably won't take you too long to write
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 09, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
Anybody got the full set of Div3 first round results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 09, 2010, 11:05:57 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 09, 2010, 10:39:24 PM
Anybody got the full set of Div3 first round results?

Glenn  0-10 2-7 Bredagh  Glenn 05/04/2010 17:00 Round 1 
Dundrum  0-7 0-6 St Johns  Dundrum 05/04/2010 17:00 Round 1 
Drumaness  0-7 0-16 Carryduff  St Johns 05/04/2010 17:00 Round 1 
Ardglass  1-6 0-6 St John Bosco  Ardglass 05/04/2010 17:00 Round 1 
Saul  1-6 1-9 Darragh Cross  Saul 05/04/2010 17:00 Round 1

Drumgath v Glasdrumman wasn't played
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 09, 2010, 11:47:37 PM
Cheers DF, much appreciated
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 10, 2010, 10:09:35 AM
Dan trained with the county on Thursday night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on April 10, 2010, 10:37:25 AM
yeah Dan McCartan  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 10, 2010, 01:31:11 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 09, 2010, 10:17:21 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 09, 2010, 08:45:54 PM
Bredagh beat Dundrum by a point in Cherryvale, away to the pub so will report later.. It was never a penalty  >:(

I imagine that report probably won't take you too long to write

it wont, not the best game I have ever seen by a long way, some very strange refereeing decisions indeed against both sides, but a win is a win.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on April 10, 2010, 07:21:02 PM
hard luck to St Malachy's Castlewellan in Croker today,they just couldn't see out the last ten minutes and get the score that would have put them ahead,but warmest congratulations to St.Colmans Newry who gave a wonderful display of football to clinch the Hogan Cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on April 10, 2010, 07:24:49 PM
Quote from: sebastion on April 10, 2010, 10:09:35 AM
Dan trained with the county on Thursday night

back for the league final
i never saw that one coming....... :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 10, 2010, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: 13aside on April 10, 2010, 07:21:02 PM
hard luck to St Malachy's Castlewellan in Croker today,they just couldn't see out the last ten minutes and get the score that would have put them ahead,but warmest congratulations to St.Colmans Newry who gave a wonderful display of football to clinch the Hogan Cup.
A mighty show from St Colmans ,worthy winners and commiserations to St.Malachy's,just could not get there ,and on another day could have been a different story
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 10, 2010, 08:50:44 PM
Quote from: maldini on April 10, 2010, 07:24:49 PM
Quote from: sebastion on April 10, 2010, 10:09:35 AM
Dan trained with the county on Thursday night

back for the league final
i never saw that one coming....... :P

If he is back and I hope he is , I dont think anyone would begrudge him a day out in Croke park . Dan Gordan is a class act and we need him back , it is just a waste for him not to be showing his skills in the county colours . So hopefuly the rumours that he is back training are true . A Rolls Royce of a footballer .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 10, 2010, 09:34:59 PM
Violet Hill put in an imaculate show today.  Killarney were never at the race. That fella Clarke from Bryansford was immense, as was Jermone Johnston in the 2nd half.  Cathal must be feeling righly proud.

Poor Castlewellan were always chasing their game and met their match on the day.  The O'Sullivan lad, No8, for Clonakilty is some player.  Felt sorry for Daithi O'Hanlon - he was well marked, it seemed Clonakilty had identified him as the main threat and give him no room at all. 

Still, both team's achivements auger well for the future of the County Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 11, 2010, 05:28:37 PM
Not a great performance but a win is a win and looking forward to meeting our orange friends again.Brendan Mc Veigh had a super game- calm,sensible, 3 VG saves , no chance with goal.
Lennon did well, Daniel VG again- I think he has earned his place for the championship- Benny Mc Ardle good but not as good as Mullingar- your man Kingston is a monster and hard to mark.Colgan was superb again- a natural organiser and leader- ,Duffin got a good point while Aidan Branningan brings nothing to the party. King his usual steady self and Fitzpatrick not the finished article- we lost the midfield battle.Conor Maginn is an unsong hero and I would have him in my starting 15 - unlike Danny Hughes who (yet again) was poor.He plays one good game in three- too much of a gamble at Croke or Ballybofey. Timmy Hanna is a halfback for me and it didn't work out for him today.Marty was Marty- can one of those rich Down supporters not match whatever Collingwood are dangling ?
Benny took a big hit but looked OK, JC super, Rony Murtagh scored a wonder point and then went for his tea.Aidan Carr was the pick of the subs.
I think we will need to think about how/who to mark Ronan Clarke in the final unless James doesn't really care and is focussed on Ballybofey.I can't get my head around the result from Letterkenny- do you think Donegal threw it to avoid a meeting with us ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 11, 2010, 07:47:33 PM
Whens the last time we went unbeaten in a league campaign??? Wobbs??

Great achievement by Wee James et al.....but don't forget what Winston Wolf said..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 11, 2010, 09:54:31 PM
I think the last time we went through all seven divisional matches undefeated may have been in 1990, when we got to the final and lost narrowly to Meath. It's a indication of the progress we have made this spring when we win again, finish with 13 points out of 14, and still think we didn't play well.

Today was always going to be a slightly unusual fixture, as neither side had anything to play for and, apart from the closing stages, the exchanges were fairly low key. It was important to try out a few different faces, and it all helped to bring us close to finalising the championship line-uip.

Alder did well  in goals earlier in the league but McVeigh was excellent today with assured handling and decent kick-outs and has probably edged in front. Duffin and Lennon did reasonably well, but will almost certainly be back on the bench for Donegal, and Brannigan is probably a little further back in the queue. Colgan produced another outstanding display, while McCartan had possibly his best ever 70 minutes for Down and, despite the previous doubts, has nailed down his place. McArdle is a quality footballer but is on the small side for a full back. He will get quite a test against Ronan Clarke in the league final, and we can judge him then.

King was as strong as ever at midfield, tackled very effectively and even got forward on occasions. His pace has coped so fare, but Croke Park will tell a tale. Fitzpatrick had an off-day, but still gives us a decent option as a sub.

Marty is still developing, but scored 1-6, showed he can tackle as well, and hit the pass of the day for his brother's goal. Maginn put in another fine shift, and we usually look a better balanced team when he starts, but Hanna is not really a forward and needed the game anyway.

Murtagh started with a brilliant point from the wing, but faded away afterwards, while Benny was caught by what looked like a knee in his back and barely lasted five minutes. John Clarke won practically  every ball at full forward and took his goal clinically.

From the subs, Hughes had one of his frustrating days, Carr did not look fully match fit and Ambrose could not really get into the game. It would have been great to see big Dan or Doyle getting a run, but maybe that will happen the next day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on April 11, 2010, 10:57:44 PM
Any results from the 1st round of the EDRFL? It was a real baptism of fire for us (Fin2nds), we were well beaten by a very strong Kilcoo3rds team, they brought a squad of 36 to Annsboro!!   :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on April 11, 2010, 11:03:30 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on April 11, 2010, 10:57:44 PM
Any results from the 1st round of the EDRFL? It was a real baptism of fire for us (Fin2nds), we were well beaten by a very strong Kilcoo3rds team, they brought a squad of 36 to Annsboro!!  ::)
Bredagh 3rds beat Dromara reserves
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 11, 2010, 11:10:42 PM
Bryansford thirds beat our seconds fairly handily. 36 for thirds  :o MDG could you boys in the not to distant future be looking at a fourths team to give all your lads football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on April 12, 2010, 12:45:07 AM
Did Down not avoid defeat in their 7 league games in 2004 under POR.

They did draw a right few though and I think they went on to lose to Offaly in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on April 12, 2010, 11:40:14 AM
Quote from: John Martin on April 12, 2010, 12:45:07 AM
Did Down not avoid defeat in their 7 league games in 2004 under POR.

They did draw a right few though and I think they went on to lose to Offaly in the final.
Correct!
Won 3, with 4 draws.

http://www.gaainfo.com/comp.php?cyear=2003&comp=nfldiv2&co=intercounty&year=2004&submit=Go (http://www.gaainfo.com/comp.php?cyear=2003&comp=nfldiv2&co=intercounty&year=2004&submit=Go)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 12, 2010, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 11, 2010, 05:28:37 PM
Not a great performance but a win is a win and looking forward to meeting our orange friends again.Brendan Mc Veigh had a super game- calm,sensible, 3 VG saves , no chance with goal.
Lennon did well, Daniel VG again- I think he has earned his place for the championship- Benny Mc Ardle good but not as good as Mullingar- your man Kingston is a monster and hard to mark.Colgan was superb again- a natural organiser and leader- ,Duffin got a good point while Aidan Branningan brings nothing to the party. King his usual steady self and Fitzpatrick not the finished article- we lost the midfield battle.Conor Maginn is an unsong hero and I would have him in my starting 15 - unlike Danny Hughes who (yet again) was poor.He plays one good game in three- too much of a gamble at Croke or Ballybofey. Timmy Hanna is a halfback for me and it didn't work out for him today.Marty was Marty- can one of those rich Down supporters not match whatever Collingwood are dangling ?
Benny took a big hit but looked OK, JC super, Rony Murtagh scored a wonder point and then went for his tea.Aidan Carr was the pick of the subs.
I think we will need to think about how/who to mark Ronan Clarke in the final unless James doesn't really care and is focussed on Ballybofey.I can't get my head around the result from Letterkenny- do you think Donegal threw it to avoid a meeting with us ?
I didn't see the game but, to me that result has something todo with the up and coming championship game. Now Armagh, I think they have to decide weather to take the game to Clones. I would love to get a game in Croker, although Armagh will be a different challenge this time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 12, 2010, 02:20:02 PM
Quote from: sebastion on April 12, 2010, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 11, 2010, 05:28:37 PM
Not a great performance but a win is a win and looking forward to meeting our orange friends again.Brendan Mc Veigh had a super game- calm,sensible, 3 VG saves , no chance with goal.
Lennon did well, Daniel VG again- I think he has earned his place for the championship- Benny Mc Ardle good but not as good as Mullingar- your man Kingston is a monster and hard to mark.Colgan was superb again- a natural organiser and leader- ,Duffin got a good point while Aidan Branningan brings nothing to the party. King his usual steady self and Fitzpatrick not the finished article- we lost the midfield battle.Conor Maginn is an unsong hero and I would have him in my starting 15 - unlike Danny Hughes who (yet again) was poor.He plays one good game in three- too much of a gamble at Croke or Ballybofey. Timmy Hanna is a halfback for me and it didn't work out for him today.Marty was Marty- can one of those rich Down supporters not match whatever Collingwood are dangling ?
Benny took a big hit but looked OK, JC super, Rony Murtagh scored a wonder point and then went for his tea.Aidan Carr was the pick of the subs.
I think we will need to think about how/who to mark Ronan Clarke in the final unless James doesn't really care and is focussed on Ballybofey.I can't get my head around the result from Letterkenny- do you think Donegal threw it to avoid a meeting with us ?
I didn't see the game but, to me that result has something todo with the up and coming championship game. Now Armagh, I think they have to decide weather to take the game to Clones. I would love to get a game in Croker, although Armagh will be a different challenge this time.
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Why would they want to take the game to Clones when it's already been fixed for Croke Park?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on April 12, 2010, 02:55:52 PM
I thought it was concrete that the game was for Croker  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 12, 2010, 03:48:32 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 11, 2010, 11:10:42 PM
Bryansford thirds beat our seconds fairly handily. 36 for thirds  :o MDG could you boys in the not to distant future be looking at a fourths team to give all your lads football?

The Ford had a pretty big Thirds panel too. Ciaran Brannigan lined out at centre half forward. Slightly cryptic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on April 12, 2010, 06:01:34 PM
Anyone know when the Championship draws are made??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 12, 2010, 07:05:17 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on April 12, 2010, 02:20:02 PM
Quote from: sebastion on April 12, 2010, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 11, 2010, 05:28:37 PM
Not a great performance but a win is a win and looking forward to meeting our orange friends again.Brendan Mc Veigh had a super game- calm,sensible, 3 VG saves , no chance with goal.
Lennon did well, Daniel VG again- I think he has earned his place for the championship- Benny Mc Ardle good but not as good as Mullingar- your man Kingston is a monster and hard to mark.Colgan was superb again- a natural organiser and leader- ,Duffin got a good point while Aidan Branningan brings nothing to the party. King his usual steady self and Fitzpatrick not the finished article- we lost the midfield battle.Conor Maginn is an unsong hero and I would have him in my starting 15 - unlike Danny Hughes who (yet again) was poor.He plays one good game in three- too much of a gamble at Croke or Ballybofey. Timmy Hanna is a halfback for me and it didn't work out for him today.Marty was Marty- can one of those rich Down supporters not match whatever Collingwood are dangling ?
Benny took a big hit but looked OK, JC super, Rony Murtagh scored a wonder point and then went for his tea.Aidan Carr was the pick of the subs.
I think we will need to think about how/who to mark Ronan Clarke in the final unless James doesn't really care and is focussed on Ballybofey.I can't get my head around the result from Letterkenny- do you think Donegal threw it to avoid a meeting with us ?
I didn't see the game but, to me that result has something todo with the up and coming championship game. Now Armagh, I think they have to decide weather to take the game to Clones. I would love to get a game in Croker, although Armagh will be a different challenge this time.
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Why would they want to take the game to Clones when it's already been fixed for Croke Park?
I was talking to a county official in Croke Pk on Saturday,it was him that was telling me that there could be a chance that the game could be in Clones
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on April 12, 2010, 08:33:35 PM
Seb i thinking i was talking to him literally just after you at the match and yeah he reckons clones ok.
seb you had a few things to get off your chest with him, why didnt you? you seemed to be very friendly with him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 12, 2010, 10:19:06 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 11, 2010, 11:10:42 PM
Bryansford thirds beat our seconds fairly handily. 36 for thirds  :o MDG could you boys in the not to distant future be looking at a fourths team to give all your lads football?

Its crazy the numbers turning out for our adult teams at the minute. The seconds played Burren yeaterday and played 19 players. A furthur 33 or 34 it was togged out for the thirds later at 7. Thats 53 players plus the top 13 and 3 other injured senior players. Looking like its gonna take a 4ths team as you say. wonderful how a bit off succcess can keep so many interested.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 12, 2010, 10:58:10 PM
Not that the gael could ever be wrong but the County Chairman did say the game would be in Croke Park in his column in the match programme on Sunday.And the GAA have just confirmed it.Maybe if the gael would part with £2 for a programme he might be better informed.Or maybe he wasn't at the game ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on April 12, 2010, 11:48:05 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 12, 2010, 10:19:06 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 11, 2010, 11:10:42 PM
Bryansford thirds beat our seconds fairly handily. 36 for thirds  :o MDG could you boys in the not to distant future be looking at a fourths team to give all your lads football?

Its crazy the numbers turning out for our adult teams at the minute. The seconds played Burren yeaterday and played 19 players. A furthur 33 or 34 it was togged out for the thirds later at 7. Thats 53 players plus the top 13 and 3 other injured senior players. Looking like its gonna take a 4ths team as you say. wonderful how a bit off succcess can keep so many interested.

Sorry MDG, slight miscalculation on my behalf, fair play to use the game was played in great spirit + i thoroughly enjoyed our 1st ever competitive reserve match (even tho we were totally destroyed!!) I think the East Down reserve sections should b based on strength next season tho, with the 9 strongest in 1 section + the weakest 9 in the other section. This would leave both sections more competitive + give the weaker teams something 2 aim for, with maybe a semi final + final in each section at the end of the season. Any takers??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on April 13, 2010, 10:07:29 AM
Seen on hoganstand there that Gordon is back with the panel. Excellent news, we need everyone we can get.

Could be a good summer lads...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on April 13, 2010, 03:20:23 PM
Armagh in Croker will be a real tester as to where we are- we are unlikely to get off to such a flying start as we did in the Marshes and will have a real battle on our hands for 70 minutes.
Any truth in the rumour Benny will miss the final with a rib injury?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on April 13, 2010, 09:36:13 PM
EDMFL B
St pauls 4-13 Drumaness 2-5

Whole blooded tie. Any boarders at it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 13, 2010, 10:42:10 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on April 13, 2010, 09:36:13 PM
EDMFL B
St pauls 4-13 Drumaness 2-5

Whole blooded tie. Any boarders at it?

Couldn't get a ticket for it. Clean rippin'. Was really looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on April 13, 2010, 10:46:51 PM
Very good.

I have a suspision I may hve talked to a member off here. Just a hunch. Strange.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on April 14, 2010, 08:55:13 PM
ACHL Div1

Ballela 3.16 Newry Shamrocks 0.8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 14, 2010, 11:44:09 PM
Ballela top of ACHL Div 1!

Bredagh drew with Ballycran 3-7 to 1-13.

Ballygalget beat Kilclief 4-17 to 1-9 and Liatroim beat Warrenpoint.

Portaferry v Ballyvarley is on Saturday.

Div 2
Ballycran    6-8   1-9   Clonduff      
Warrenpoint    1-3   0-18   Ballygalget      
Carryduff    3-6   4-8   Castlewellan      
Portaferry    4-10   0-4  Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 15, 2010, 02:00:13 PM
Christy Cooney done a tour of a few schools in Down this morning. He went to St Dallan's, Warrenpoint, St Malachy's, Castlewellan, St Joseph's, Ballykinlar and Sacred Heart, Dundrum. I think then he was heading on to Stormont for 3.30pm.

He seems a very affable man and he spoke really well to the children.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on April 15, 2010, 04:48:22 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 15, 2010, 02:00:13 PM
Christy Cooney done a tour of a few schools in Down this morning. He went to St Dallan's, Warrenpoint, St Malachy's, Castlewellan, St Joseph's, Ballykinlar and Sacred Heart, Dundrum. I think then he was heading on to Stormont for 3.30pm.

He seems a very affable man and he spoke really well to the children.
Hope he hits that bollix Wells a kick in the nuts for what he has been trying to do to our neighbours just a mile from here
Title: ACFL Div 2
Post by: No1 on April 15, 2010, 09:22:08 PM
Annaclone beat Kilclief by 3 points tonight.

Is it too early to say we are fucked?    :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on April 15, 2010, 09:25:21 PM
where annaclone good tonight?
two descent results i see after the defeat to banbridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on April 16, 2010, 09:29:11 AM
Don't think it. I was at it and I thought Kilcief played the better to be honest. Having said that the clone hit the bar twice but kilcief had a man sent off, what was that for No1? appeared to be just mouthin, think it was 2 yellows?

If kilcief had a good freetaker they would have got a draw at least. The clone had a nervous last 10 minutes especially when kilcief hit the bar!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 16, 2010, 03:18:10 PM
any word of any players leaving the county squad? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 16, 2010, 03:21:04 PM
Go on Goldenyears, tell all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 16, 2010, 03:27:16 PM
ames mcgovern i believe
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 16, 2010, 03:29:58 PM
Didn't hear that at all. But neither of them got much football during the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on April 16, 2010, 08:37:10 PM
Glenn beat Bosco by 2 points tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 16, 2010, 08:50:33 PM
Bredagh and Drumgath drew
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on April 16, 2010, 09:20:28 PM
Mayobridge beat kingdom by 5. Brendan Grant had an outstanding game on marty clarke and ryan brady and nowl sexton on fire up front.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on April 16, 2010, 09:24:18 PM
St. Johns 2-6 Drumaness 0-10

Big chance of points missed tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 16, 2010, 09:27:05 PM
Harps bt by 2 by RGU.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 16, 2010, 09:43:56 PM
Attical 1-7 Warrenpoint 2-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 16, 2010, 09:44:38 PM
Will there be any club games played in Down next weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on April 16, 2010, 09:58:00 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 16, 2010, 09:44:38 PM
Will there be any club games played in Down next weekend?
Full series of league games on Friday night but County players not playing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 16, 2010, 10:11:25 PM
Rostrevor 0-16 Burren 2-16

James mcgovern very good. Young burren side out but played well and only for frees rostrevor would have been a lot further behind!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on April 16, 2010, 10:41:15 PM
Ford 1-09 Castlewellan 0-9
The Town threw this one away- should have won by 4 or five but a series of mistakes in defence cost us- especially the keeper and corner back colliding going for the same ball leaving the Ford forward with a simple tap in. When we had a sitter of a goal we missed it too and you don't deserve to win games if you don't take your chances
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on April 16, 2010, 11:01:13 PM
Was at the game myself as ours was changed until tomorrow night and can't sgree with town gael i thought the ford never looked like losing in fact they should have been out of sight with 10 minutes left and to be honest they were poor enough too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on April 16, 2010, 11:04:21 PM
Div 3: Carryduff 0-9 Saul 1-6 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on April 16, 2010, 11:40:36 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on April 16, 2010, 11:04:21 PM
Div 3: Carryduff 0-9 Saul 1-6

Could be a big point when a push comes to a shove
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on April 16, 2010, 11:56:35 PM
does anyone know if the ACPRL fixtures are going ahead this weekend as the minor 7's is on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 17, 2010, 12:17:33 AM
The bank in Darragh Cross is a great place for watchin matches... Stewards, you know who you are...

Dundrum beat by 5 by Darragh..

Iconic event was great steam.. Well done to organising committee. Brilliant...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 17, 2010, 12:24:04 AM
Quote from: westdowngael on April 16, 2010, 11:56:35 PM
does anyone know if the ACPRL fixtures are going ahead this weekend as the minor 7's is on?
Yep....full steam ahead afaik
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on April 17, 2010, 01:01:17 PM
Don't understand how you can come to that conclusion centre 3/4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on April 17, 2010, 01:49:54 PM
Good win for the Bridge last night, bounced back well from the Clonduff match. Just a note on the Referee Brendan Rice who had a very poor game towards BOTH sides. No 5 for An Riocht went in to a tackle in the first half two footed and only got booked, again he did the exact same thing in the second half and never got booked, and then he fouled again later on in game, Rice went to his pocket then saw who it was and put his book back in. Very hard to understand his decisions all night, if he would stop looking at himself and get on with the game would suit him a whole lot better!!
Rant over!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on April 17, 2010, 02:04:42 PM
Any word on Loughinisland game last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFan2010 on April 17, 2010, 03:05:15 PM
Good win for Shamrocks last night, got the win without playing that well, Tullylish probably performed better of the two but are far too reliant on McAreavey, think he scored 7 points, most from play. Shamrocks just that bit cuter and closed the game out well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 17, 2010, 03:17:57 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on April 17, 2010, 02:04:42 PM
Any word on Loughinisland game last night?

Ballymartin beat Loughinisland 1-11 to 0-10.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on April 17, 2010, 07:00:42 PM
Will CB be inorming refs of the rule changes?

It was bad enough playing with the hand pass rule for a few games but even worse playing with it now that its been kicked out.

3 referees I have experienced had a real lack of awareness to how the rules should be applied.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 17, 2010, 07:15:46 PM
Result from Division one

Liatriom 0-10 Kilcoo 1-15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 17, 2010, 09:36:33 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on April 17, 2010, 07:00:42 PM
Will CB be inorming refs of the rule changes?

It was bad enough playing with the hand pass rule for a few games but even worse playing with it now that its been kicked out.

3 referees I have experienced had a real lack of awareness to how the rules should be applied.

What rule changes? How do you think they should be applied?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on April 18, 2010, 09:37:27 AM
Well in a few games ive played the ref'shave blown up for the hand pass.

Despite it not being in the rules.

And now that kick outs are 13m and pens 11m, based on the way the application of experemental rules was so poorly dealt with, they should be clearly informed.

And more importantly told that the hand pass is allowed, and reminded that it has always been allowed (Club Football)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on April 19, 2010, 09:14:13 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 17, 2010, 12:17:33 AM
The bank in Darragh Cross is a great place for watchin matches... Stewards, you know who you are...
Dundrum beat by 5 by Darragh..

Iconic event was great steam.. Well done to organising committee. Brilliant...

Is there something you need to get off your chest DF. What way did you'se play and how did the star McCom play. I heard that you took a healthy lead but it fell apart.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on April 19, 2010, 06:38:39 PM
Anyone know how the friendly game went at the weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 19, 2010, 07:03:19 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on April 19, 2010, 06:38:39 PM
Anyone know how the friendly game went at the weekend?
never heard anything ,where was it and who were they playing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 19, 2010, 07:09:43 PM
See main thread- beat Louth with Dan at FB, no Clarkes or Benny. Interesting !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on April 19, 2010, 07:10:40 PM
Quote from: sebastion on April 19, 2010, 07:03:19 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on April 19, 2010, 06:38:39 PM
Anyone know how the friendly game went at the weekend?
never heard anything ,where was it and who were they playing
They were playing Louth in Louth I think. Interested to see if Dan got a run out, and if so where abouts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on April 19, 2010, 08:42:48 PM
Still no word of when the championship draws are being made??  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John o connor on April 19, 2010, 09:16:21 PM
Was at the Shamrocks Tullylish game other night was talkin to  fella who knows Brian Mc Iver said they are hearing big things about young fella from Magheralin called Mc Straw could nt be true ? Wee James is hardly lookin at division 4 < anyone hear anything ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on April 19, 2010, 09:53:38 PM
Quote from: John o connor on April 19, 2010, 09:16:21 PM
Was at the Shamrocks Tullylish game other night was talkin to  fella who knows Brian Mc Iver said they are hearing big things about young fella from Magheralin called Mc Straw could nt be true ? Wee James is hardly lookin at division 4 < anyone hear anything ?

Great HIT!!! LOL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 19, 2010, 11:14:05 PM
Quote from: When We Win on April 19, 2010, 09:14:13 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 17, 2010, 12:17:33 AM
The bank in Darragh Cross is a great place for watchin matches... Stewards, you know who you are...
Dundrum beat by 5 by Darragh..

Iconic event was great steam.. Well done to organising committee. Brilliant...

Is there something you need to get off your chest DF. What way did you'se play and how did the star McCom play. I heard that you took a healthy lead but it fell apart.

Relax horse, think its an in joke with fellow posters on this from the DC direction. We played well for first 20 mins but unfortunately didnt sustain it. Couple of sucker punch goals in the later spell of first half wiped a 6 point lead to bring it level pegging at half time. "The star Mc Com" as you put it did rightly. Darragh won't be far away when all is said and done come October play off time. Strong around the middle and have six forwards who all know where the nets are, a rarity in division three.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John o connor on April 20, 2010, 07:13:16 PM
Seems i was set up the other night at the Shamrocks v Tullylish game about the young fella Mc Straw from Magheralin  ;) very good  :D turns out he is at bit of a local hero who likes a pint and some one set the romour mill in motion , i should have known better . Wats next bringin in players from the FINN !!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on April 21, 2010, 01:19:34 AM
Does anyone have a link to the special Down ceremonies associated with the GAA Congress in Newcastle this past week end?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on April 21, 2010, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: John o connor on April 20, 2010, 07:13:16 PM
Seems i was set up the other night at the Shamrocks v Tullylish game about the young fella Mc Straw from Magheralin  ;) very good  :D turns out he is at bit of a local hero who likes a pint and some one set the romour mill in motion , i should have known better . Wats next bringin in players from the FINN !!!!
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Mind your manners John.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 21, 2010, 06:21:02 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on April 21, 2010, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: John o connor on April 20, 2010, 07:13:16 PM
Seems i was set up the other night at the Shamrocks v Tullylish game about the young fella Mc Straw from Magheralin  ;) very good  :D turns out he is at bit of a local hero who likes a pint and some one set the romour mill in motion , i should have known better . Wats next bringin in players from the FINN !!!!
[/quote

Mind your manners John.

Yeah John don't be slagging of players from Castlewellan II's  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John o connor on April 21, 2010, 09:41:36 PM
forgot they were your reserve reserves
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cabra_harps on April 22, 2010, 05:47:48 PM
Any scéal on the C'ship draws being made?? And... just to throw a bit controversy into the mix, I've got a feeling it's gonna be Clonduff's year! ;) First round against the 'Bridge lets hope - always nice to get an easy first round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 22, 2010, 05:53:30 PM
Quote from: cabra_harps on April 22, 2010, 05:47:48 PM
Any scéal on the C'ship draws being made?? And... just to throw a bit controversy into the mix, I've got a feeling it's gonna be Clonduff's year! ;) First round against the 'Bridge lets hope - always nice to get an easy first round.

Any word  on the famous harps being resurrected!!  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on April 22, 2010, 09:03:55 PM
Castlewellan 0.15
Clonduff 1.13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 22, 2010, 09:36:27 PM
Any word of the games being switched to Thurs next week cos Down are away??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on April 22, 2010, 09:42:28 PM
daragh cross beat drumgath 1 8 to 6 points, good start to the year for daragh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 22, 2010, 09:52:10 PM
An Riocht 1-13 Kilcoo 4-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 22, 2010, 10:53:33 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on April 22, 2010, 09:03:55 PM
Castlewellan 0.15
Clonduff 1.13

Castlewellan must be kicking themselves. 14-8 up and playing the better football with no more than 8 mins left. Hit a post with a goal bound effort and let in a sucker punch goal with literally the last kick of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cabra_harps on April 22, 2010, 10:56:14 PM
Aye, a return to the Fifties, O Hare. Ach I think we'll leave it for the time being, see how the Cabra contingents lookin in another few years!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 23, 2010, 01:24:38 AM
Was at Castlewellan game, an incredible result. A team that cant close out a game in which they hold a 6 point lead and are totally dominant, need to ask serious questions of themselves, before a lower division beckons
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on April 23, 2010, 08:33:24 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on April 23, 2010, 01:24:38 AM
Was at Castlewellan game, an incredible result. A team that cant close out a game in which they hold a 6 point lead and are totally dominant, need to ask serious questions of themselves, before a lower division beckons

I have to agree with you Pangurban- we are in serious trouble already as I feared we would be before the season started. Individual mistakes cost us for the 2nd week in a row- easy 10 passes not reaching their target lead to several Clonduff scores.  Fair play to them, they battled away and never gave up. With 15 minutes to go I could see no way back into the game for them- even with 5 minutes left I thought that! Clonduff fought for every ball like demons though when they sensed they might salvage something form the game.
To lose to a goal with the very last kick of the game is gutwrenching but I still have no idea how the ref Laverty  can justify playing 4 minutes on injury time when there wasn't a single stoppage for an injury in the whole game! And a blind man could see the Clonduff forward threw the ball to Jason Brown for the wining goal (Which he struck beautifully by the way)
It's going to be a long season for the Town
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 23, 2010, 09:01:27 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on April 23, 2010, 08:33:24 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on April 23, 2010, 01:24:38 AM
Was at Castlewellan game, an incredible result. A team that cant close out a game in which they hold a 6 point lead and are totally dominant, need to ask serious questions of themselves, before a lower division beckons

I have to agree with you Pangurban- we are in serious trouble already as I feared we would be before the season started. Individual mistakes cost us for the 2nd week in a row- easy 10 passes not reaching their target lead to several Clonduff scores.  Fair play to them, they battled away and never gave up. With 15 minutes to go I could see no way back into the game for them- even with 5 minutes left I thought that! Clonduff fought for every ball like demons though when they sensed they might salvage something form the game.
To lose to a goal with the very last kick of the game is gutwrenching but I still have no idea how the ref Laverty  can justify playing 4 minutes on injury time when there wasn't a single stoppage for an injury in the whole game! And a blind man could see the Clonduff forward threw the ball to Jason Brown for the wining goal (Which he struck beautifully by the way)
It's going to be a long season for the Town

Jasus Town Gael are we going to have to endure another season of you blaming the ref for your own teams inadequacies, change the record lad & try and accept that Castlewellan are a poor Division 1 team & even if Pat McEnaney was in the middle it wouldn't make any difference to the results.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on April 23, 2010, 09:09:29 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on April 23, 2010, 09:01:27 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on April 23, 2010, 08:33:24 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on April 23, 2010, 01:24:38 AM
Was at Castlewellan game, an incredible result. A team that cant close out a game in which they hold a 6 point lead and are totally dominant, need to ask serious questions of themselves, before a lower division beckons

I have to agree with you Pangurban- we are in serious trouble already as I feared we would be before the season started. Individual mistakes cost us for the 2nd week in a row- easy 10 passes not reaching their target lead to several Clonduff scores.  Fair play to them, they battled away and never gave up. With 15 minutes to go I could see no way back into the game for them- even with 5 minutes left I thought that! Clonduff fought for every ball like demons though when they sensed they might salvage something form the game.
To lose to a goal with the very last kick of the game is gutwrenching but I still have no idea how the ref Laverty  can justify playing 4 minutes on injury time when there wasn't a single stoppage for an injury in the whole game! And a blind man could see the Clonduff forward threw the ball to Jason Brown for the wining goal (Which he struck beautifully by the way)
It's going to be a long season for the Town

Jasus Town Gael are we going to have to endure another season of you blaming the ref for your own teams inadequacies, change the record lad & try and accept that Castlewellan are a poor Division 1 team & even if Pat McEnaney was in the middle it wouldn't make any difference to the results.

Mournerambler read everything before you comment- I agreed with Pangurban in that it was our own fault and we should have won the game easily- shot ourselves in the foot. I also said we will struggle this year and I will be delighted if we manage to avoid the drop. Fact remains though that there were no stoppages in the game so 4 mins is hard to understand
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on April 23, 2010, 10:57:10 AM
Down boss James McCartan fears that Martin Clarke may be set to return to Australia after Collingwood declared their intent to bring the An Riocht clubman back to the AFL.

Clarke returned to Ireland in 2009 after three years with the Melbourne club, but Collingwood revealed recently that they have been in touch with the 22-year-old forward in an attempt to persuade him back Down Under.

'I didn't think it was my place to start quizzing Marty a week or 10 days before a league final,' McCartan said in the Irish Independent.

'There's no doubt that the guy performed very well when he was out there and there's no reason to think that his ex-team wouldn't want him back in the same way that when he left, Down wanted him back.

'I would guess that there is certainly something to the rumours because he's a good enough player, so there could well be something in it. I just have to be happy with the here and now - that he's available for this weekend - and I'm assuming that he's available for the summer until he tells me otherwise.

'We're delighted to have him and we'll be doing everything in our power to try and make sure he isn't tempted back; unfortunately they can offer something that we can't.'

Clarke currently works as a coaching officer with the Down County Board, and McCartan has stressed Clarke's importance to his side ahead of Sunday's Division 2 final with Armagh in Croke Park.

'Marty is obviously a massive help to us. The big thing about getting Marty back is that it is like getting two players back from Australia because his brother John has been playing fantastic as well. They seem to work well in tandem.

'What I find with Marty is that people are trying to hit him and he is able to handle that. He is well used to being the centre of attention. He was telling me that out in Australia he regularly received verbal abuse about being the Irish wimp.

'I always warn him about certain players. Because he is back from Australia, he is going to be getting the verbals and is going to be the centre of attention. He says: "Okay, I'm well used to that." It is not a factor for him.'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 23, 2010, 02:18:20 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 22, 2010, 10:53:33 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on April 22, 2010, 09:03:55 PM
Castlewellan 0.15
Clonduff 1.13

Castlewellan must be kicking themselves. 14-8 up and playing the better football with no more than 8 mins left. Hit a post with a goal bound effort and let in a sucker punch goal with literally the last kick of the game.

Ive never seen a team dominate a game as much as Castlewellan did and not get the win. They were fitter and sharper all over the pitch. I honestly thought Clonduff were distinctly average. Just shows you how perserverance can pay off to the final whistle.
On another note, Gregory McCartan was superb when he came on in the 2nd half. Banged over 4 points, two from play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on April 23, 2010, 08:33:17 PM
Result:
Glenn 0-10
Carryduff 0-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on April 23, 2010, 08:38:36 PM
RGU 2 - 13 L'island 0 - 13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on April 23, 2010, 08:57:34 PM
dundrum= 2-12
st johns bosco= 3-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 23, 2010, 09:05:44 PM
Harps 11 - attical 11 - bad game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 23, 2010, 09:10:45 PM
Quote from: dundroma on April 23, 2010, 08:57:34 PM
dundrum= 2-12
st johns bosco= 3-14

High on scores, poor on quality. Was level pegging at the start of the 2nd half and then we got a man lined. Nip and tuck after that but Bosco used their spare man wisely and ran out deserved winners.
Bad start for us. 1 win in 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 23, 2010, 09:11:26 PM
ACFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Bryansford  3-8 0-13 Longstone  Bryansford Round 4 

ACFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Loughinisland  0-13 2-13 Downpatrick  Loughinisland   
Tullylish  1-7 2-11 Saval  Tullylish   
Kilclief  0-10 2-15 Shamrocks  Kilclief   
Ballyholland  0-11 0-11 Atticall  Ballyholland   

ACFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Glenn  0-10 0-6 Carryduff  Glenn Round 5 
Dundrum  2-12 3-14 St John Bosco  Dundrum Round 5 
Drumaness  2-10 2-12 Bredagh  Drumaness Round 5 

ACFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
St Michaels  0-15 0-9 Bright  St Michaels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on April 23, 2010, 09:16:20 PM
Point beat Annaclone by 6!

Blues dominated from start to finish but once again the standard of refereeing in this County has been shown be be very poor.
Ned Morgan made some very strange decisions.
On another note what is going on in Div II??
Ballyholland dropping points to Atticall.....Loughinisland beat by Downpatrick & word coming through that Banbridge beating Ballymartin?
Form seems to be out the window with all the so called favourites!
Good to see the League being competitive as at the minute it seems anyone could take pointrs off any team on their day
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on April 23, 2010, 09:42:02 PM
Downpatrick great value for the win tonight, even with still having 5/6 regulars injured or unavailable.
Despite the height advantage for the Island Starkey and Turley in particular were immense.
Must be kicking themselves for the bagful of wides and the missed penalty against Warrenpoint.
Smithy will have a real headache re selection when the injured guys come back but not a bad problem to have.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 23, 2010, 09:58:53 PM
did Saul and Glasdrumman play tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on April 23, 2010, 10:06:00 PM
Glasdrumman won by 16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on April 23, 2010, 10:13:29 PM
0-9 to 5-10 to Glassdrumman

Harrison did a fair amount of damage isolated up front and taking and setting up scores. Some walk-in goals in the end after Saul led 0-4 to 0-1 after 10 mins. Next up Bredagh ........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 23, 2010, 10:23:25 PM
Did Ardglass v St Johns go ahead tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 23, 2010, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 23, 2010, 10:23:25 PM
Did Ardglass v St Johns go ahead tonight?

nope, it was cancelled, no idea why
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on April 23, 2010, 10:45:57 PM
Aughlisnafin bt Dromara by 1pt
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on April 23, 2010, 10:49:25 PM
Quote from: hardstation on April 23, 2010, 10:47:06 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 23, 2010, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on April 23, 2010, 10:23:25 PM
Did Ardglass v St Johns go ahead tonight?

nope, it was cancelled, no idea why
St. John's were playing Portglenone at Corrigan. They won easy.
Fitzroyalty likes this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on April 23, 2010, 10:54:08 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on April 23, 2010, 10:13:29 PM
0-9 to 5-10 to Glassdrumman

Harrison did a fair amount of damage isolated up front and taking and setting up scores. Some walk-in goals in the end after Saul led 0-4 to 0-1 after 10 mins. Next up Bredagh ........
Think we may get the Sat Nav out now and get it ready for The Finn and Ballykinlar next year. Depressing or what
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on April 23, 2010, 10:55:32 PM

O Neills ACFL Div 1
Burren 3 12 Liatroim 1 13
Bryansford 3 08 Longstone 0 13

O Neills ACFL Div 2
Loughinisland 0 13 Downpatrick 2 13
Clann na Banna  2 13 Ballymartin 1 08
Tullylish 1 07 Saval 2 11
Kilclief 0 10 Shamrocks 2 15
Warrenpoint 1 13 Annaclone 0 11
Ballyholland 0 11 Atticall 0 11

O Neills ACFL Div 3
Saul 0 09 Glasdrumman 5 10
Glenn 0 10 Carryduff 0 06
Dundrum 2 12 St John Bosco 3 14
Drumaness 2 10 Bredagh 2 12
Ardglass OFF St Johns

O Neills ACFL Div 4
Teconnaught 2 10 Mitchels 1 03
Ballykinlar 1 07 St Pauls0 07
Aughlisnafinn 1 11 Dromara 2 07
St Micheals 1 15 Bright 0 09

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on April 23, 2010, 10:57:42 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on April 23, 2010, 10:54:08 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on April 23, 2010, 10:13:29 PM
0-9 to 5-10 to Glassdrumman

Harrison did a fair amount of damage isolated up front and taking and setting up scores. Some walk-in goals in the end after Saul led 0-4 to 0-1 after 10 mins. Next up Bredagh ........
Think we may get the Sat Nav out now and get it ready for The Finn and Ballykinlar next year. Depressing or what

"we"? - I thought you were in Loughinisland!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gorm agus bui on April 23, 2010, 11:43:44 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on April 23, 2010, 10:57:42 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on April 23, 2010, 10:54:08 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on April 23, 2010, 10:13:29 PM
0-9 to 5-10 to Glassdrumman

Harrison did a fair amount of damage isolated up front and taking and setting up scores. Some walk-in goals in the end after Saul led 0-4 to 0-1 after 10 mins. Next up Bredagh ........
Think we may get the Sat Nav out now and get it ready for The Finn and Ballykinlar next year. Depressing or what

"we"? - I thought you were in Loughinisland!
Am actually in Derry at Stag weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 24, 2010, 07:45:49 AM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on April 23, 2010, 11:43:44 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on April 23, 2010, 10:57:42 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on April 23, 2010, 10:54:08 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on April 23, 2010, 10:13:29 PM
0-9 to 5-10 to Glassdrumman

Harrison did a fair amount of damage isolated up front and taking and setting up scores. Some walk-in goals in the end after Saul led 0-4 to 0-1 after 10 mins. Next up Bredagh ........
Think we may get the Sat Nav out now and get it ready for The Finn and Ballykinlar next year. Depressing or what

"we"? - I thought you were in Loughinisland!
Am actually in Derry at Stag weekend
It must be great crack to be posting just before midnight  while on a Stag weekend. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 24, 2010, 07:50:06 AM
Quote from: marsbarkid on April 23, 2010, 10:45:57 PM
Aughlisnafin bt Dromara by 1pt

Well done the Finn. They have improved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 25, 2010, 07:37:21 AM
well lads,all is quite on the down end of the discussion board,no word of the match this weekend.Ambrose will not play,broken bone in his foot,wee D  Raf is out and Benny is not fully fit,but wild horses wont stop him playing in Croke Park.I think the replacement for Ambrose will have to be Peter Fitz ,for wee D I'm not sure who he will put in there he mite shuffle the pack and pull Stephen Kearney back into defense or some thing like that I cant see him starting Dan in front of any of the other lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 25, 2010, 12:57:06 PM
Great to see Bredagh u14s wining the Down A hurling Feile in Castlewellan yesterday. It was a fantastic day of hurling and i was told the first time ever there were 5 teams in the A league, Bredagh, Ballygalget, Ballycran, Portaferry and Liatroim. also the first time in nearly 40 years that this has been won by a non Ards club.

well organised and played in a very sporting manner, and a fantastis acheivement from the Bredagh boys!! lets hope its not another 40 odd years until the next
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 25, 2010, 07:07:33 PM
just home from the match,disappointing result ,I thought some of the lads played well gave a lot of possion away cheaply.McDonald was on fire and was hard to stop had no answer to him shooting with both feet.Have to hold my hands up and say I was wrong about Dan McCartan thought he had a decent enough game ,one of our better performers  don't know what he got sent off for.James would have learnt allot from today .NEXT.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 25, 2010, 07:28:49 PM
Stevie McDonnell is differant class, and there isn't a defender in Ireland who can stop him in that form...Game plan would be to stop the ball getting to him!!  Down have come along way in 12 months and we should not forget that.

Geariod O'Conamha tried his best to ruin a good game, the fussiest referee in intercounty football.  Would be interesting to see how many free's he awarded in that game!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 25, 2010, 07:37:27 PM
Well done to St Paul's on their half-time performance but a few extra laps for those lads who were trying to score 'soccer-style'.
On the bigger game , the absence of our captain and best player this year to date cannot be over-emphasised- imagine Armagh without Mc Donnell !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on April 25, 2010, 07:42:46 PM
Can't agree with you about Dan McCartan Sebastian- I thought he was as poor as ever today and I just hope the suspension he gets for stamping rules him out of the Donegal game. Too many of our big name players didn't turn up today and we made far too many careless mistakes- we lost possession in the tackle far too easily and some of our passing was shocking. There's time to correct it before Ballybofey though!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 25, 2010, 07:51:03 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 25, 2010, 07:37:27 PM
Well done to St Paul's on their half-time performance but a few extra laps for those lads who were trying to score 'soccer-style'.
On the bigger game , the absence of our captain and best player this year to date cannot be over-emphasised- imagine Armagh without Mc Donnell !

Aye, we are trying to beat that out of them..Kids did us proud today!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 25, 2010, 08:18:15 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on April 25, 2010, 07:42:46 PM
Can't agree with you about Dan McCartan Sebastian- I thought he was as poor as ever today and I just hope the suspension he gets for stamping rules him out of the Donegal game. Too many of our big name players didn't turn up today and we made far too many careless mistakes- we lost possession in the tackle far too easily and some of our passing was shocking. There's time to correct it before Ballybofey though!
He was much better than I thought he was going to be and anyone who has to mark McDonald will have their hands full.Down passing and decision making was poor we have too many players looking to get rid of the ball to the closest player instead of looking up and giving a good ball into space.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on April 25, 2010, 09:01:44 PM
Welcome to reality today !
we are very limited and really we have a long way to go.
Armagh were a far better side and the result flattered us ( i suppose the lucky goal helped the scoreline) but we really were the second best.
Our full back line might just be the worst in ulster always seeming to be behind their men .
Garvey is most certainly not up to it , as for our midfield today it was woeful. In and around the middle we seemed to pass too much and with Armagh's fast tackling we were caught out on numerous occasions.
Up front Marty Clarke and Benny both tried hard but overall Armagh are a lot fitter and stronger than us.
Today shows that we are really up against it this year. The full back line and midfield needs wholesale changes and hopefully our management have the courage do the right thing.!I was als disgusted with the trampish stamping at the end.

                                            the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on April 25, 2010, 10:38:00 PM
have to agree with most of what the gael says,McCartan spoilt a decent personal performance with that poor reaction(which will no doubt be punished),our forwards with the exception of Coulter didnt work hard enough to support  the man in possession and too often the ball was lost in the half-forward line.there was little of the intensive approach we have seen throughout the league and having said that there wasnt that much between the sides on the scoreboard at the end.Maybe thats a reflection on the standard both counties are playing at the moment,Cork certainly played at a higher and much more impressive level overall.Good luck to James and his management and players over the next few weeks ahead of the match against Donegal.On a completely tack i can understand the worries on health and safety grounds as  some Armagh and Down fans retreated to get out of the heavy shower of rain that fell at the end of the match and clogged up spme of the exits from the Hogan stand but i cant understand the permitting of supporters to purchase alcohol and consume the same in their seats of the Hogan stand.any comments??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 25, 2010, 10:50:05 PM
I was sitting at the top of the steps entering the lower Cusack and a few boys tried to bring pints in and were quickly ran by the stewards , In saying that two balloons were allowed down to their seats and they were just about able to walk . I think one of the same boys then proceeded to get sick in his seat . Nightmare for those around them especially those with kids .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 25, 2010, 11:25:43 PM
As I said on here a few weeks ago, why not leave well enough alone? I said I wouldnt have Dan Gordan involved in the game, strip out ok, but should not feature. Many posters thought this to be very strange. There was no call whatsoever to bring him onto the feild. I said it is totally against principle to bring him on in the NFL final anyway, having not featured in any game leading up to it. Ok, Down weren't exactly running the show round the middle, but they had a foothold, had a bit of momentum, there was no call to make a substitution at all. It broke up the little run the team had got going and never recovered. He looked off the pace badly and 3 times spring to mind, that when he got possession, he lost it/fouled the ball, and these mistakes then lead to Armagh scores. I'm not saying that he is a bad player, of course not, before anyone jumps the gun and starts hurling abuse at me, but there no doubt in my mind that his introduction co-insided with Down's poor performance in the final quarter. Also I wasn't suprised to see Conor Laverty shrugged off the ball when it was delivered to him. He lacks the strength to compete physically, and even him trickery didnt make up for that, as the quality of defender at that level is so good, as well as their physicality. There was a young pearse og lad playing at halftime that would have made a better target man.... :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on April 26, 2010, 12:43:56 AM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 25, 2010, 11:25:43 PM
As I said on here a few weeks ago, why not leave well enough alone? I said I wouldnt have Dan Gordan involved in the game, strip out ok, but should not feature. Many posters thought this to be very strange. There was no call whatsoever to bring him onto the feild. I said it is totally against principle to bring him on in the NFL final anyway, having not featured in any game leading up to it. Ok, Down weren't exactly running the show round the middle, but they had a foothold, had a bit of momentum, there was no call to make a substitution at all. It broke up the little run the team had got going and never recovered. He looked off the pace badly and 3 times spring to mind, that when he got possession, he lost it/fouled the ball, and these mistakes then lead to Armagh scores. I'm not saying that he is a bad player, of course not, before anyone jumps the gun and starts hurling abuse at me, but there no doubt in my mind that his introduction co-insided with Down's poor performance in the final quarter. Also I wasn't suprised to see Conor Laverty shrugged off the ball when it was delivered to him. He lacks the strength to compete physically, and even him trickery didnt make up for that, as the quality of defender at that level is so good, as well as their physicality. There was a young pearse og lad playing at halftime that would have made a better target man.... :D

Your not half wise. Laverty wasn't at the races today, but he was well marked and did show some of his ability to be clever on the ball with a pass to Dan Gordon which should have led to a point were Dan not deemed to pick the ball of the ground. Throughout the league Laverty showed well and he deserved to get game time today, its just a pity that he didn't perform (and the same can be said of others)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 26, 2010, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: downredblack on April 25, 2010, 10:50:05 PM
I was sitting at the top of the steps entering the lower Cusack and a few boys tried to bring pints in and were quickly ran by the stewards , In saying that two balloons were allowed down to their seats and they were just about able to walk . I think one of the same boys then proceeded to get sick in his seat . Nightmare for those around them especially those with kids .

Think I saw the 2 boyos in question, 1 of them had a banana in his back pocket which was quite funny I thought, he had to be helped up the steps of the Cusack when he entered the ground, I thought at the first he had some type of disability but the closer he got the clearer it became that he was as quite simply pi$$ed as a fart.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on April 26, 2010, 10:23:26 AM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 25, 2010, 11:25:43 PM
As I said on here a few weeks ago, why not leave well enough alone? I said I wouldnt have Dan Gordan involved in the game, strip out ok, but should not feature. Many posters thought this to be very strange. There was no call whatsoever to bring him onto the feild. I said it is totally against principle to bring him on in the NFL final anyway, having not featured in any game leading up to it. Ok, Down weren't exactly running the show round the middle, but they had a foothold, had a bit of momentum, there was no call to make a substitution at all. It broke up the little run the team had got going and never recovered. He looked off the pace badly and 3 times spring to mind, that when he got possession, he lost it/fouled the ball, and these mistakes then lead to Armagh scores. I'm not saying that he is a bad player, of course not, before anyone jumps the gun and starts hurling abuse at me, but there no doubt in my mind that his introduction co-insided with Down's poor performance in the final quarter. Also I wasn't suprised to see Conor Laverty shrugged off the ball when it was delivered to him. He lacks the strength to compete physically, and even him trickery didnt make up for that, as the quality of defender at that level is so good, as well as their physicality. There was a young pearse og lad playing at halftime that would have made a better target man.... :D

Would you rather Down and Dan Gordan found out that he was off the pace in a division 2 league final or 1/2 way through the first round of the championship?  Better that he and Down know he has a bit of work to do.  If you pick any random player on the Down team and say they are no good then eventually they will have a quiet game and you can say told you so, you could just as easily pick 10 other Down players as pick on Laverty from Sundays game, he played well throughout the league and was ok when he came on, he had a good pass to Gordon which Gordon manager to fumble.  Armagh were well up for the game and were using the last Down game for motivation, they seemed to want to win a bit more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on April 26, 2010, 10:28:11 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on April 25, 2010, 07:42:46 PM
Can't agree with you about Dan McCartan Sebastian- I thought he was as poor as ever today and I just hope the suspension he gets for stamping rules him out of the Donegal game. Too many of our big name players didn't turn up today and we made far too many careless mistakes- we lost possession in the tackle far too easily and some of our passing was shocking. There's time to correct it before Ballybofey though!

What game were you watching? Dan was without doubt the best player in the full back line.. thought he done very well on mc donnell  who had previously roasted Mc Ardle..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on April 26, 2010, 11:17:49 AM
Can anyone tell me wat the correct final score was in the an riocht v kilcoo game last thursday night, I'm hearing kilcoo won by 10 but down website says 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BREANDRUM on April 26, 2010, 12:29:47 PM
Congratulations to BREDAGH U14 Hurlers who won the Div 1 Down Feile. They now go the AI Feile in Clare as the only representative from Down. This is the first time in 40 years that a non-Ards club has won the Div 1 Down Hurling Feile.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 26, 2010, 03:51:46 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on April 26, 2010, 11:17:49 AM
Can anyone tell me wat the correct final score was in the an riocht v kilcoo game last thursday night, I'm hearing kilcoo won by 10 but down website says 4.

An Riocht 1-13 Kilcoo 4-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oldhacker on April 26, 2010, 04:00:02 PM
Bredagh's u14 victory at the weekend was a great achievement, and could prove to be a significant day for Down hurling, but it was hardly the first time the A Feile title had left the Ards since the competition started.  There are a few elderly figures in and around Kilkeel who can remember winning the inaugural event in 1971.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BREANDRUM on April 26, 2010, 04:15:23 PM
Apologies Oldhacker. First time in 39 years!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 26, 2010, 04:33:58 PM
Quote from: Oldhacker on April 26, 2010, 04:00:02 PM
Bredagh's u14 victory at the weekend was a great achievement, and could prove to be a significant day for Down hurling, but it was hardly the first time the A Feile title had left the Ards since the competition started.  There are a few elderly figures in and around Kilkeel who can remember winning the inaugural event in 1971.


Well done Bredagh, a lot of good work going on in the leafy suburbs of South Belfast and it'll be good to get another competitive team up to senior level in the coming years.

Breandrum,
  you better avoid Lecale2 with that ill thought out statement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cabra_harps on April 26, 2010, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: downredblack on April 25, 2010, 10:50:05 PM
I was sitting at the top of the steps entering the lower Cusack and a few boys tried to bring pints in and were quickly ran by the stewards , In saying that two balloons were allowed down to their seats and they were just about able to walk . I think one of the same boys then proceeded to get sick in his seat . Nightmare for those around them especially those with kids .

Aye, same thing happened near me. Two alco Armagh boys say down couple of rows in front and got sick. Almost as bad as the sickening result. Had good seats though, 310. Bit more close to midfield would have been perfect. Dan Gordon's not at the races though, thought Conor Laverty did well, despite size and all that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 26, 2010, 08:51:18 PM
Rostrevor beat the bridge this evening, think there was 4 or 5 in it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on April 26, 2010, 09:12:31 PM
Rostrevor 1. 12 Mayobridge 0. 11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 26, 2010, 09:22:54 PM
Is the 2010 club championship draw on tonight can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 26, 2010, 10:18:52 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 26, 2010, 09:22:54 PM
Is the 2010 club championship draw on tonight can anyone confirm?

Not sure MDG, the minor one is tomorrow night with the prelim games if needed on the 4th of May
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on April 26, 2010, 10:23:45 PM
Wise up it is only May on Saturday surely the draw would do in July or so.

Our County Board have a lot of important things to do so the draw for the championship is way down the list of priorities!!






                                           the gael takes no prisoners!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 26, 2010, 10:49:01 PM
The championship draws will be held in the Canal Court when the new sponsor for the football championships is confirmed. The sponsors expect a bit of PR for their investment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 26, 2010, 10:53:19 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 26, 2010, 10:49:01 PM
The championship draws will be held in the Canal Court when the new sponsor for the football championships is confirmed. The sponsors expect a bit of PR for their investment.

Typical off county board, cant get a sponser brfore end off April. To try and get more money out off Powerade in these times is a bit crazy. Im sure they where pumping a right few pound in but obviously not enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 26, 2010, 11:17:09 PM
I cant get my head round the atitude of some supporters, 'the aim of this year was to get promoted, and we have done that, so the NFL final is a bonus'.. I really cant get my head around it. Even Ross said it last year, the old, 'aw well it doesnt matter that we didnt win the div 3 title, we wanted promotion and we got it. We are happy enough to get beat by Tipperary'. FFS! And James said the same in the run-up to the game yesterday, in the papers and all, we wanted div1 football and we acheived that a few weeks ago so we are happy to be in the final as a bit of a bonus'. Bit of a bonus?? Its a title! Its a medal! A national medal for playing in a Down jersey! Of the top of my head I think Benny is the longest serving Down player? 10years? and What has he got to show for it?..nothing.. When the chance comes along to win silverware, why not take it. Down played brilliant this year, unbeaten, why not go all out for the title, I bet lads on that team would love a medal to show for it. Last year ticked me off more though, it almost seemed that Ross wasnt fussed on winning div3 because its just a div3 titlle. As if it is beneath Down. Its a big deal for Tipp to win it, but we arent bothered with it atal. If the right applications were made, the majority of lads on the panel would have back to back national league winners medals. The fans crave it too, look at how much a big deal the mckenna cup was to supporters, how it gave the whole place a lift. Really disapointed me to hear Down supporters say that. And a manager! Is that not a terrible attitude to have? or is it just me? Im sure Clarke, Coulter, Rodgers would all rather their 'honours list' included 2 national league titles in it, you cant write, 'got promoted 3 times in national league' as an honurs won...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 26, 2010, 11:24:58 PM
We all hope Dan McCartan not suspended for Ballybofey, but he must be a serious doubt and we need to have other options. Brannigan has not looked the part to date, so switching Garvey into the full back line may have to be tried. Rafferty should be back but the game will probably be too soon for Howard. Hanna was only given half a match in the league at wing forward, but he could also come into the reckoning at wing back. Liam Doyle would be a huge boost, but James has reported that his progress has been slower than expected. Paul Murphy at his best would be an automatic choice, but he seems to be struggling as well. Is there a serious hope that Doyle or Murphy will be available ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 27, 2010, 01:46:38 AM
The Gael takes no prisoners, perhaps he might be an option, though his persistent negativity would probably lower morale within the squad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on April 27, 2010, 10:29:32 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 26, 2010, 11:24:58 PM
We all hope Dan McCartan not suspended for Ballybofey, but he must be a serious doubt and we need to have other options. Brannigan has not looked the part to date, so switching Garvey into the full back line may have to be tried. Rafferty should be back but the game will probably be too soon for Howard. Hanna was only given half a match in the league at wing forward, but he could also come into the reckoning at wing back. Liam Doyle would be a huge boost, but James has reported that his progress has been slower than expected. Paul Murphy at his best would be an automatic choice, but he seems to be struggling as well. Is there a serious hope that Doyle or Murphy will be available ?
There has been some talk of Dan Gordon playing full back against Donegal (presumably to mark Murphy,) including on the Donegal v Down thread. He is said to have played well there against Louth in a challenge game, could this be a viable option? Obviously he was not sharp on sunday but come Ballybofey he should have improved and he would be very capable of countering Murphy's threat in the air
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 27, 2010, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 26, 2010, 11:17:09 PM
I cant get my head round the atitude of some supporters, 'the aim of this year was to get promoted, and we have done that, so the NFL final is a bonus'..

Do you honestly think that the team went out to NOT win the game? And do you honestly feel that what James says in the papers and what he says to the squad behind close doors are the same thing?? If so, then you are deluded.

There is no doubt they went out to win the final, beaten by better team on the day end of story
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 27, 2010, 05:04:18 PM
course they went out to win the game. but they werent too dissapointed about losing it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on April 27, 2010, 05:51:35 PM
The Co.Board could go ahead and make the reserve championship draws tonight, i think the 1st round is to be played around June 6th, it would be nice to know who we r up against!!  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on April 27, 2010, 09:24:34 PM
Anyone hear the Down Minor Championship draws from earlier?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 27, 2010, 10:07:37 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on April 27, 2010, 09:24:34 PM
Anyone hear the Down Minor Championship draws from earlier?

QuoteMinor Football Championship Draw
  Date : 27/04/2010 21:47

Down County Chairman Seamas Walsh, in the presence of a number of club and County Board representatives, presided over the Minor Football Championship draw tonight in the County Offices in Castlewellan.


Current champions Kilcoo can look forward to meeting Newry Bosco in their opening round game in Newry. This game is a potential banana skin for the Magpies and Newry is never an easy place to go to at the best of times.


Other ties which will be eagerly anticipated include local derbies Attical v Longstone and Loughinisland v Cill Darach.

Last year's beaten finalists St Peter's Warrenpoint must make the trip to Ballymartin to play the Lillywhites in what promises to be a close encounter whilst Burren travel to St Paul's Hollywood for their first round match.

Tá muid ag súil go mór le craobh sultmhar arís i mbliaina. Bí cinnte go dtugann tú neart tacaíochta do d'fhoireann!!

Preliminary Round
St Colman's v Newry Mitchels
Ardglass v Ballyholland

Round  1
Saul  v Glenn
St Joseph's v  RGU Downpatrick
Annaderg v Saval
Ardglass/Ballyholland v St. Mary's
Drumgath v Newry Shamrocks
An Ríocht v Clonduff
Mayobridge v St.John's
Loughinisland v Cill Darach
Bosco  v Kilcoo
St.Colman's/Mitchel's v Rostrevor
Clann na Banna v Carryduff
St Paul's v Burren
Attical  v Longstone
Drumaness v Castlewellan
Ballymartin v  St Peter's Warrenpoint
Bryansford v Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cabra_harps on April 28, 2010, 11:06:31 AM
Quote from: passedit on April 27, 2010, 10:07:37 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on April 27, 2010, 09:24:34 PM
Anyone hear the Down Minor Championship draws from earlier?

QuoteMinor Football Championship Draw
  Date : 27/04/2010 21:47

Down County Chairman Seamas Walsh, in the presence of a number of club and County Board representatives, presided over the Minor Football Championship draw tonight in the County Offices in Castlewellan.


Current champions Kilcoo can look forward to meeting Newry Bosco in their opening round game in Newry. This game is a potential banana skin for the Magpies and Newry is never an easy place to go to at the best of times.


Other ties which will be eagerly anticipated include local derbies Attical v Longstone and Loughinisland v Cill Darach.

Last year's beaten finalists St Peter's Warrenpoint must make the trip to Ballymartin to play the Lillywhites in what promises to be a close encounter whilst Burren travel to St Paul's Hollywood for their first round match.

Tá muid ag súil go mór le craobh sultmhar arís i mbliaina. Bí cinnte go dtugann tú neart tacaíochta do d'fhoireann!!

Preliminary Round
St Colman's v Newry Mitchels
Ardglass v Ballyholland

Round  1
Saul  v Glenn
St Joseph's v  RGU Downpatrick
Annaderg v Saval
Ardglass/Ballyholland v St. Mary's
Drumgath v Newry Shamrocks
An Ríocht v Clonduff
Mayobridge v St.John's
Loughinisland v Cill Darach
Bosco  v Kilcoo
St.Colman's/Mitchel's v Rostrevor
Clann na Banna v Carryduff
St Paul's v Burren
Attical  v Longstone
Drumaness v Castlewellan
Ballymartin v  St Peter's Warrenpoint
Bryansford v Bredagh

Who are St. Mary's??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on April 28, 2010, 11:38:07 AM
Quote from: cabra_harps on April 28, 2010, 11:06:31 AM
Quote from: passedit on April 27, 2010, 10:07:37 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on April 27, 2010, 09:24:34 PM
Anyone hear the Down Minor Championship draws from earlier?

QuoteMinor Football Championship Draw
  Date : 27/04/2010 21:47

Down County Chairman Seamas Walsh, in the presence of a number of club and County Board representatives, presided over the Minor Football Championship draw tonight in the County Offices in Castlewellan.


Current champions Kilcoo can look forward to meeting Newry Bosco in their opening round game in Newry. This game is a potential banana skin for the Magpies and Newry is never an easy place to go to at the best of times.


Other ties which will be eagerly anticipated include local derbies Attical v Longstone and Loughinisland v Cill Darach.

Last year's beaten finalists St Peter's Warrenpoint must make the trip to Ballymartin to play the Lillywhites in what promises to be a close encounter whilst Burren travel to St Paul's Hollywood for their first round match.

Tá muid ag súil go mór le craobh sultmhar arís i mbliaina. Bí cinnte go dtugann tú neart tacaíochta do d'fhoireann!!

Preliminary Round
St Colman's v Newry Mitchels
Ardglass v Ballyholland

Round  1
Saul  v Glenn
St Joseph's v  RGU Downpatrick
Annaderg v Saval
Ardglass/Ballyholland v St. Mary's
Drumgath v Newry Shamrocks
An Ríocht v Clonduff
Mayobridge v St.John's
Loughinisland v Cill Darach
Bosco  v Kilcoo
St.Colman's/Mitchel's v Rostrevor
Clann na Banna v Carryduff
St Paul's v Burren
Attical  v Longstone
Drumaness v Castlewellan
Ballymartin v  St Peter's Warrenpoint
Bryansford v Bredagh

Who are St. Mary's??

Liatroim & Dromara ( amalgamation)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on April 28, 2010, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: cabra_harps on April 28, 2010, 11:06:31 AM
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Who are St. Mary's??

St. Mary's are a combination of Dromara and Liatroim-I would imagine they will be in the shake-up at minor level this year-some excellent players from both clubs.

On a seperate note,can any south down posters give feedback on their underage competitions-Are they graded A,B,C at all levels and have there been any instances of clubs failing to field,withdrawing from leagues etc.Do the leagues in South Down break for exams?

There is a worrying pattern in East Down of some clubs feeling they have to amalgamate to be competitive,and clubs either not fielding or withdrawing from the leagues.East Down usually has just A and B leagues,but I wonder whether a C league(13-a-side if necessary) provides smaller clubs with regular football against teams of comparable standard.Clubs quite rightly are reluctant to suffer heavy defeats.
Clubs have a right to amalgamate if they wish but I wonder whether the long term effect of increasing amalgamations will decrease our playing membership.

Also I wonder if alternating consecutive age groups e.g u15 week 1,3,5,7 etc and u16 week 2,4,6,8 etc,will keep more kids interested particularly younger players who may miss out on a years football.

Any thoughts?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: illdecide on April 28, 2010, 03:39:34 PM
Lads could someone advise me when the senior & B (Reserve) fixtures are in Down as i'm looking a friendly on Sunday and i've been told Down clubs play the fixtures on a Friday night so i'd be very interested in a friendly with a team close to Lurgan (Tullylish or clan na Banna etc)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on April 28, 2010, 03:41:30 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 28, 2010, 03:39:34 PM
Lads could someone advise me when the senior & B (Reserve) fixtures are in Down as i'm looking a friendly on Sunday and i've been told Down clubs play the fixtures on a Friday night so i'd be very interested in a friendly with a team close to Lurgan (Tullylish or clan na Banna etc)

illdecide, senior games are on friday but reserve games are on a sunday evening so i would doubt you will be able to get a friendly organised for sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: illdecide on April 28, 2010, 04:02:13 PM
Quote from: stpauls on April 28, 2010, 03:41:30 PM
Quote from: illdecide on April 28, 2010, 03:39:34 PM
Lads could someone advise me when the senior & B (Reserve) fixtures are in Down as i'm looking a friendly on Sunday and i've been told Down clubs play the fixtures on a Friday night so i'd be very interested in a friendly with a team close to Lurgan (Tullylish or clan na Banna etc)

illdecide, senior games are on friday but reserve games are on a sunday evening so i would doubt you will be able to get a friendly organised for sunday.

Cheers St Pauls...TBH our B team would prob beat our senior team and we would put it up to most 2nd division senior teams but i doubt very much i'll get a game at this late stage...cheers anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 29, 2010, 09:00:25 PM
Rostrevor 0.9 Clonduff 0.8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on April 29, 2010, 09:03:20 PM
Longstone  1-10 1-10 Mayobridge 
Castlewellan  1-11 1-15 An Riocht   
ACFL Division 2
Annaclone  0-4 1-16 Loughinisland   
Downpatrick  0-14 2-10 Tullylish   
Saval  2-12 0-10 Warrenpoint   
ACFL Division 3   
Glasdrumman  3-17 1-6 Dundrum   
St John Bosco  1-9 1-14 Drumaness 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on April 29, 2010, 09:07:26 PM
The bridge must not be going at full tilt in the league this year. Although Longstone are tough opposition.

They are two great results which Tullylish and Clann na Banna pulled off tonight both away from home. Division 2 is very tight this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 29, 2010, 09:12:11 PM
Burren 3-6 Kilcoo 1-7.

Burren just about deserved it. Kilcoo gave away two shocking goals early on which made it very difficult, burren battled back gamely only for Burren to break away at end with 1-1 on the counter attack. Great tence, competitive game between two top sides.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 29, 2010, 09:22:49 PM
Harps 0-17 -- B'martin 0-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 29, 2010, 09:24:06 PM
Division 3

Glasdrumman 3-17  Dundrum 1-06

Glasdrumman won this handily enough without breaking much sweat. They were far too physically strong for us and they have a great forward line which links up well. They keep their 100% record in tact while we now have lost four out of our first five.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 29, 2010, 10:23:06 PM
ACFL Division 1

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   

Liatroim  0-10 2-13 Bryansford  Liatroim Round 5 
Burren  3-6 1-7 Kilcoo  Burren Round 5 
Longstone  1-10 1-10 Mayobridge  Longstone Round 5 
Rostrevor  0-9 0-8 Clonduff  Rostrevor Round 5 
Castlewellan  1-11 1-15 An Riocht  Castlewellan Round 5 

ACFL Division 2

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment 

Annaclone  0-4 1-16 Loughinisland  Annaclone   
Atticall  2-9 3-14 Kilclief  Atticall   
Downpatrick  0-14 2-10 Tullylish  Downpatrick   
Ballymartin  0-10 0-6 Ballyholland  Ballymartin   
Saval  2-12 0-10 Warrenpoint  Saval   
Shamrocks  0-7 1-14 Clann na Banna  Shamrocks   

ACFL Division 3

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   

Glasdrumman  3-17 1-6 Dundrum  Glasdrumman Round 6 
Carryduff  0-15 0-8 Ardglass  Carryduff Round 6 
St John Bosco  1-9 1-14 Drumaness  St John Bosco Round 6 

ACFL Division 4

Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   

Teconnaught  1-15 0-7 Aughlisnafin  Teconnaught   
St Michaels  3-20 0-3 Ballykinlar  St Michaels   
Dromara  1-9 0-7 Aghaderg  Dromara
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 29, 2010, 10:25:06 PM
That's not right! Bholland won by 6!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on April 29, 2010, 10:53:01 PM
Quote from: banker on April 29, 2010, 09:07:26 PM
The bridge must not be going at full tilt in the league this year. Although Longstone are tough opposition.

They are two great results which Tullylish and Clann na Banna pulled off tonight both away from home. Division 2 is very tight this year

Wouldnt panic yet Banker! We are missing quite a few at the moment. Gavin Barry, Noel Sexton, John Caldwell, Seamus Grant, Liam Coulter, Michael Walsh all weren't playing tonight. I would think these lads will possibly play come Championship time.
But as you said, "Longstone are tough opposition". It is a hard place to go and win, they are a hard working team with great players!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on April 30, 2010, 12:09:30 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on April 29, 2010, 10:25:06 PM
That's not right! Bholland won by 6!!
Whats the story here? Co website have it Harps lost.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 30, 2010, 08:25:42 AM
No idea Nora - it was 9-7 to harps at halftime. In fact it was 9-2 after 20 mins.
Game def finished up with 6 point win for harps
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cabra_harps on April 30, 2010, 09:30:15 AM
That still leaves Castlewellan and Leitrim stuggling at the bottom, if I'm right? Four matches... no wins. Not looking too good. Wouldn't it be awful if Castlewellan went down.... :O
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 30, 2010, 11:20:51 AM
Anyone know anything about new additions to the county panel...?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 30, 2010, 01:11:06 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 30, 2010, 11:20:51 AM
Anyone know anything about new additions to the county panel...?

I heard Conor Poland, Paul Devlin, Anton McArdle and Darren O'Hagan were called up!!!

I was impressed with Martin Cole and Shaun Parr on Monday evening!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 30, 2010, 02:14:17 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 30, 2010, 01:11:06 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 30, 2010, 11:20:51 AM
Anyone know anything about new additions to the county panel...?

I heard Conor Poland, Paul Devlin, Anton McArdle and Darren O'Hagan were called up!!!

I was impressed with Martin Cole and Shaun Parr on Monday evening!!

Outside the Down Panel of players, Shaunn Parr is most impressive player in Down at the moment, he should be recalled to Down panel and given a decent chance to impress. I would like to see him playing in full forward line with Benny and John Clarke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 30, 2010, 02:44:28 PM
Better player at half-back I reckon..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on April 30, 2010, 06:12:46 PM
any word on luke howard, is he back training yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 30, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 30, 2010, 02:44:28 PM
Better player at half-back I reckon..

and here lies the problem! Shaun has been changed position so much over the last 3 or 4 years since he was a county u21 that it has really hampered his progress when it comes to fillin a position on the county team! Play him anywhere in your club team and he will excel and be one of the best players everytime - but it is hard to bring this versatility to the county set up. He was being played half back when he was on the panel earlier in the year and he hadnt played there for almost 2 years! I agree he should be given another chance to impress! But as long as he does the business for us we wont be wanting him to miss too many of our games!

With regards to the other players called up - yes those are the names I heard too, was just wanting to see if there was confirmation!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on April 30, 2010, 07:25:09 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on April 29, 2010, 10:53:01 PM
Quote from: banker on April 29, 2010, 09:07:26 PM
The bridge must not be going at full tilt in the league this year. Although Longstone are tough opposition.

They are two great results which Tullylish and Clann na Banna pulled off tonight both away from home. Division 2 is very tight this year

Wouldnt panic yet Banker! We are missing quite a few at the moment. Gavin Barry, Noel Sexton, John Caldwell, Seamus Grant, Liam Coulter, Michael Walsh all weren't playing tonight. I would think these lads will possibly play come Championship time.
But as you said, "Longstone are tough opposition". It is a hard place to go and win, they are a hard working team with great players!

I know well enough that Mayobridge are just going along nicely and the Championshop will be their main aim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 30, 2010, 08:50:18 PM
Are these results taken from the Co Down Board site correct?  If so, very  strange indeed!

Bredagh1-110-16Saul


Darragh Cross 0-71-15Glenn 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on April 30, 2010, 08:55:07 PM
Glenn score is correct anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 30, 2010, 08:58:19 PM
Bredagh won

1-11 to 1-6 the - is in the wrong place
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on April 30, 2010, 09:09:17 PM
Impressive away result for Glenn.  Not surprised that Bredagh bt Saul.
Any word on St John's v Drumgath?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 01, 2010, 02:31:09 AM
ACFL Division 3
 
Bredagh  1-11 1-6 Saul  Bredagh 
St Johns  0-9 1-8 Drumgath   
Darragh Cross  0-7 1-15 Glenn 

ACPRL Division 1

An Riocht  1-8 1-17 Mayobridge   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on May 01, 2010, 11:38:39 AM
Have to say Im a bit puzzled by the new additions  ???
Ross Carr made the same mistake of bringing in U-21's ahead of boys performing better in the Down League & it proved a very risky tactic. Guys like Colm Murney at Rostrevor have struggled to even make their Club teams but were deemed good enough to be on the County Panel 2/3 years ago.

Im not doubting the talent of any of the 4 additions, what I am challenging is that these 4 fellas are the next 4 best players in the County utside of the existing panel.
Id say fellas like Jason Brown of Hilltown & others must be scratching their heads think "what the hell is going on"
Its fine being a good U-21 & shining at that level but its very hard to stand out at U-21 & Senior.

People can say all they like about development etc but what dvelopment are these fellas gonna get missing club games to sit on the bench or in the stand for Down?
It would be a better idea to pick out your top say 15 young players & let them play away with their clubs but have them on a development programme that will ensure they are doing the right training, looking at their nutrition, bulking up & ensuring that in 2/3 years they are good enough to be on the County Panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 01, 2010, 08:46:16 PM
Quevara, best post I have read on here in months if not longer.
Fair play + absolutely spot on!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on May 02, 2010, 12:38:38 AM
yes good post Guevara

Over that last few years we dont seem have done a good job developing our young players. Last year in the under 21's i thought there was no better player in the competition that Peter Fitzpatrick, but for the seniors he has only occasionally shown that, the same with Paul McC, i wonder should we be doing more to develop them into seniors, for both of them i think it also hurts they are not playing division 1 football, i still think the idear of regional teams for championship is something we should look at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on May 02, 2010, 12:49:15 AM
Not a chance Highlander3...one life..one club and all that...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on May 02, 2010, 12:53:21 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 30, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 30, 2010, 02:44:28 PM
Better player at half-back I reckon..

and here lies the problem! Shaun has been changed position so much over the last 3 or 4 years since he was a county u21 that it has really hampered his progress when it comes to fillin a position on the county team! Play him anywhere in your club team and he will excel and be one of the best players everytime - but it is hard to bring this versatility to the county set up. He was being played half back when he was on the panel earlier in the year and he hadnt played there for almost 2 years! I agree he should be given another chance to impress! But as long as he does the business for us we wont be wanting him to miss too many of our games!

With regards to the other players called up - yes those are the names I heard too, was just wanting to see if there was confirmation!

True enough, i remember at minor level he was at 6 i think, and he definatley played at 3 at under21 level one year, and at 5 the next. He did good jobs them times as far as i can remember. Not sure what position he plays at for Rostrevor though?? Does he play in one position consistantly?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on May 02, 2010, 02:29:17 AM
Eaglelord i know that you are right that it will not happen, but i think it should, they do it in Kerry and it seems to work for them. Good players are born in small parishes as well, and this would give them a chance to play a higher standard of club football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on May 02, 2010, 11:27:25 AM
Kerry is a good example for you to argue your case alright. But doesnt mean we should copy them. I remember a few years ago, we were playing leagye games, it was only under12s, but the other teams sometimes didnt have enough players, so they joined together. Saval/Glenn..Drumgath/Annaclone, Liatrom/Dromara etc etc.. I just remembered seeing lads wearing the other clubs jersey, and although that all seems practical yeh, I just got the oddest feeling, just for a second, Jaysus if the owl boy seen me wear that, he'd killl me.. Thats what special about that. You wear your own club jersy and thats it. Thats why I hate hate hate to see players transfer. Thats why I didnt like atal the conversation on here one time, where lads were calling for Paul McComisky to play for Bryansford, just to play at the higher standard?!?! Ludacris! Our ethos of representing our parish should be preserved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 02, 2010, 12:14:12 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on May 02, 2010, 12:53:21 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 30, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 30, 2010, 02:44:28 PM
Better player at half-back I reckon..

and here lies the problem! Shaun has been changed position so much over the last 3 or 4 years since he was a county u21 that it has really hampered his progress when it comes to fillin a position on the county team! Play him anywhere in your club team and he will excel and be one of the best players everytime - but it is hard to bring this versatility to the county set up. He was being played half back when he was on the panel earlier in the year and he hadnt played there for almost 2 years! I agree he should be given another chance to impress! But as long as he does the business for us we wont be wanting him to miss too many of our games!

With regards to the other players called up - yes those are the names I heard too, was just wanting to see if there was confirmation!

True enough, i remember at minor level he was at 6 i think, and he definatley played at 3 at under21 level one year, and at 5 the next. He did good jobs them times as far as i can remember. Not sure what position he plays at for Rostrevor though?? Does he play in one position consistantly?

Yeh thats what I mean he did play well for the minors and u21s in those positions alright - and if he had continued to play there consistantly he probably would be an excellent county half back now. But he has played all along the half back line, wing half forward, centre half forward and corner forward in the last few years for the club. He has been in the corner since just before championship time last year and is still there. Does a brilliant job too! But it is not where people are used to seeing him for the county and he was put in half back for the time he was in the squad at the start of the year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on May 02, 2010, 04:16:43 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on May 02, 2010, 11:27:25 AM
Kerry is a good example for you to argue your case alright. But doesnt mean we should copy them. I remember a few years ago, we were playing leagye games, it was only under12s, but the other teams sometimes didnt have enough players, so they joined together. Saval/Glenn..Drumgath/Annaclone, Liatrom/Dromara etc etc.. I just remembered seeing lads wearing the other clubs jersey, and although that all seems practical yeh, I just got the oddest feeling, just for a second, Jaysus if the owl boy seen me wear that, he'd killl me.. Thats what special about that. You wear your own club jersy and thats it. Thats why I hate hate hate to see players transfer. Thats why I didnt like atal the conversation on here one time, where lads were calling for Paul McComisky to play for Bryansford, just to play at the higher standard?!?! Ludacris! Our ethos of representing our parish should be preserved.

In Kerry you would not wear the jersey of your local rivals. Rather you wear the jersey of the regional team - South Kerry, East Kerry, Mid Kerry, Feale Rangers, Shannon Rangers etc.
Take Glenbeigh / Glencar - they are a very small club that had 2 county starters Darren Sullivan and Jack O'Sheas lad but both of these boys cut their teeth playing senior championship games for Mid Kerry. Also their near neighbours Cromane. Cromane are a 4th division side that would get hammered by Glenn or even Dundrum here in Down but they have 2 county seniors Sean O'Sullivan and Donnacha Walshe and both these guys would never had got to play intercounty football but for the experience of Mid Kerry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on May 02, 2010, 06:13:58 PM


In Kerry you would not wear the jersey of your local rivals. Rather you wear the jersey of the regional team - South Kerry, East Kerry, Mid Kerry, Feale Rangers, Shannon Rangers etc.

[/quote]

are you seriosly suggesting that we look at running for talks sake a south down, east down, mourne & west down regional teams for clubs outside the top 16 SFC clubs so that players in lower clubs can play a better grade of football. they would probably only get 1 SFC game and that would be it. i agree with guevera the county should look at some sort of development squad that runs along side the county for potential minors & u21 to develop physically, mentally and prepare for full involvement in the county set up. a much better idea than setting up regional teams. who is going to manage them? what about theses players own club committments?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 02, 2010, 06:20:52 PM
There is no question about it our County players need to be playing senior club football, Maurice Hayes recognised and articulated this back in the 60s to good effect, but we seem to have forgotten
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on May 02, 2010, 07:03:01 PM
Agree that county players should be still playing club football .
But pangurban you are so servile and silly by using Maurice Hayes as an example to reinforce your point .
As good in the 60 s as Maurice was at organising could you outline what else he did for the gaa during the 70 's , 80's, 90's and in the 2000's? I genuinely would like to know.
we sometimes can give people the name of early risers and then they can lie to noon !!!


                                       the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on May 02, 2010, 09:44:00 PM
True Blue  -

My point is that the previous contributor was factually incorrect in suggesting that a regional team equates to wearing the colours of your local rival.

However I do strongly believe that the Kerry system would be good for Down. In Kerry there are some 6 or 7 only senior clubs all the rest contribute to regions. So there are clubs in the Kerry first division that are not in the Senior Championship.

Newry could really do with a regional team - say Shamrocks, Bosco, Mitchels, Ballyholland, Glenn and Saval creating a Championship team. Then South Down could have a team and separately Mourne. Also North and East Down as one region etc so upto 6 regional teams. Senior clubs would then be say

Burren
Mayobridge
Clonduff
Kilcoo
Bryansford
Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 02, 2010, 10:45:48 PM
What a silly post Gael, with your usual negative posture. If Maurice Hayes contributed nothing else to the GAA, his contribution during the late 50s, early 60s was invaluable to our County. i was merely pointed out that one of the keystones of our development and subsequent success, was Maurice idea too take talented players from junior clubs and place them in senior clubs to aid their development. Now what in the name of God, is servile about that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on May 02, 2010, 10:52:36 PM
Pangur as you are man of the world and have valuable experience i merely want to know what Maurice did for the gaa actively over the last 40 to 50 years? Please pangur no fudges just an answer.


                                            the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 03, 2010, 01:49:50 AM
To my knowledge,very little, though there may have been contributions i am not aware off. i fail to see the relevance of this question, in relation to my origianal point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: batman on May 03, 2010, 11:05:08 AM
I think the chance for lads from st johns, the finn, dundrum, ballykinlar, bright and ardglass to gat a go at the  senior championship would be great, not sure about a mourne team because ballymartin, an riocht and attical have played senior championship in recent years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 03, 2010, 11:24:34 AM
Batman, don't forget about the two other Mourne clubs, Longstone, who took Mayobridge to a replay in the 2007 SFC final, and Glasdrumman, the reigning All Ireland Celebrity Bainisteoir champions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on May 03, 2010, 03:10:39 PM
Dont call that competition an All-Ireland.... ::)

Every club has their good times and bad. Mayobridge had a gap of 80years between championship wins, then went on to win 5 in a row. Same with Kilcoo, 70year wait between thier last 2 senior championship wins, them 2 clubs are among the top 2 (??) clubs in the county at present. Their championship wins are no doubt dedicated to all their previous members who played for the club in its barron years. The hunger is multiplied over such a period of time. Who knows, one of these clubs like Aughlisnafin or St Johns or any you have mentioned might be winning senior championships in 10, 20 years time. Theres no reason why that couldnt happen? It just takes one generation to come through, one group of lads, its no coincidence that Mayobridges success coincided with the careers of Coulter, Sexton, Grant, Walsh.. Kilcoo the same, lads playing now won minor and u21 county championships, Laverty, McEvoy, McGreevey, Kane, then the league, and it was no doubt progressing to a senior championship. Surely a proud day for any Kilcoo player in the 50s or 60s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 03, 2010, 10:29:43 PM
I hear down beat cork in their challenge match the other day - anyone any info!?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 03, 2010, 11:00:10 PM
I don't know anything about a Cork friendly but, according to Hogan Stand, we beat Meath in a challenge to mark a pitch opening for the Oldcastle club today by something like 1-13 to 0-14. Anyone got some details on the line-up and/or scorers ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cabra_harps on May 04, 2010, 11:12:01 AM
Aye, I heard it was against Meath at a pitch opening too. No word on who scored/done well though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 04, 2010, 12:55:03 PM
Down 1-14
Meath 0-13

Meath lost their way after being the better side in the first half of Monday's senior football challenge game at Millbrook to allow Down finish up the winners by a margin of four points.

The game marked the official opening of the Oldcastle club's impressive facilities with Bishop of Meath, Dr Michael Smith, doing the duties. The Down management team gave the day off to most of their NFL Division 2 final team while Eamonn O'Brien also tried out a few players.

Of the Royal county players on trial, Bryan Menton showed more than a little promise at centre-back and the Gilsenan duo, Paddy and Eoin, shared three points from their corner-forward berths.

Meath were 0-7 to 0-1 to the good after 22 minutes but only managed one more point in the first half. Brian Farrell kicked four points before the break and his second from play was a spectacular shot from the wing.

Peadar Byrne, who captained the team, was Nigel Crawford's midfield partner before Conor Gillespie played alongside him after the switching of ends. Graham Reilly led the attack and sent over three points.

Davy Dalton's comeback only lasted half an hour with the returning corner-back forced to retire injured. Down centre-forward Mark Poland struck for the goal on 34 minutes to leave the half-time scores 0-8 to 1-2.

Down outscored their opponents by five points to one in the opening 12 minutes after the restart and Anton McArdle gave them the lead for the first time. Two Gilsenan points, play and free, kept Meath in touch before four successive scores gave their winning margin.

Down - S Kane; S Kearney, D Rooney, L Lennon; C McGovern (0-1), K McKernan, M Doran; D Gordon, P Greenan (0-1); R Sexton, M Poland (1-2, 0-2 frees), T Hanna; C Laverty (0-4), K Anderson, J Clarke (0-1). Subs used: A McArdle (0-1), C Maginn (0-2), P Devlin (0-1), D O'Hagan (0-1).

Meath: P O'Rourke; D Dalton, J Macken, S McAnarney; P Howard, B Menton, G O'Brien (0-1); N Crawford, P Byrne (0-1, 45); S Kenny, G Reilly (0-3), N Mooney (0-1); P Gilsenan (0-2, 1 free), B Farrell (0-4, 2 frees), E Gilsenan (0-1). Subs: S Curran for Dalton, C Lenehan for Kenny, C McPartland for Macken, C Gillespie for Crawford, S Fox for O'Rourke.

Referee: S Carroll (Westmeath).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on May 04, 2010, 09:29:25 PM
beat cork saturday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on May 04, 2010, 09:55:15 PM
Minor Championship Results
Ardglass  1-9 8-10 Ballyholland
Annaderg  0-7 6-21 Saval
An Riocht  1-9 6-14 Clonduff   
Loughinisland  1-7 3-9 Cill Darach   
St John Bosco  0-1 6-17 Kilcoo
Clann na Banna  1-7 5-17 Carryduff   
St Pauls  0-3 5-21 Burren
Atticall  6-7 1-13 Longstone
Drumaness  1-4 5-14 Castlewellan 
Bryansford  2-14 1-4 Bredagh 
Saul  2-1 7-11 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on May 04, 2010, 09:58:13 PM
and RGU beat St Joe's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on May 04, 2010, 10:01:41 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on May 04, 2010, 09:55:15 PM
Minor Championship Results
Ardglass  1-9 8-10 Ballyholland
Annaderg  0-7 6-21 Saval
An Riocht  1-9 6-14 Clonduff   
Loughinisland  1-7 3-9 Cill Darach   
St John Bosco  0-1 6-17 Kilcoo
Clann na Banna  1-7 5-17 Carryduff   
St Pauls  0-3 5-21 Burren
Atticall  6-7 1-13 Longstone
Drumaness  1-4 5-14 Castlewellan 
Bryansford  2-14 1-4 Bredagh 
Saul  2-1 7-11

thats the most one sided set of results I've ever seen! Some real hammerings there!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 04, 2010, 10:03:47 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on May 04, 2010, 10:01:41 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on May 04, 2010, 09:55:15 PM
Minor Championship Results
Ardglass  1-9 8-10 Ballyholland
Annaderg  0-7 6-21 Saval
An Riocht  1-9 6-14 Clonduff   
Loughinisland  1-7 3-9 Cill Darach   
St John Bosco  0-1 6-17 Kilcoo
Clann na Banna  1-7 5-17 Carryduff   
St Pauls  0-3 5-21 Burren
Atticall  6-7 1-13 Longstone
Drumaness  1-4 5-14 Castlewellan 
Bryansford  2-14 1-4 Bredagh 
Saul  2-1 7-11

thats the most one sided set of results I've ever seen! Some real hammerings there!

The draw is seeded so that two strong teams don't meet each other therefore avoiding the possibility of a strong team walking the B.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on May 04, 2010, 10:22:15 PM
MFC

Ballymartin 0-5 Warrenpoint 1-18
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 05, 2010, 08:04:57 AM
If it was seeded they did a good job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on May 05, 2010, 09:15:37 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 05, 2010, 08:04:57 AM
If it was seeded they did a good job.
A waste of a night looking at the vast majority of those results
We would far better off going straight into A&B Championships
There will be a lot of grief over the next few weeks when championship or league matches are scheduled in exam time yet in terms of time and effort, money for travel and for ref expenses last night was a joke in the most cases
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 05, 2010, 10:17:31 AM
Quote from: norabeag on May 05, 2010, 09:15:37 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 05, 2010, 08:04:57 AM
If it was seeded they did a good job.
A waste of a night looking at the vast majority of those results
We would far better off going straight into A&B Championships
There will be a lot of grief over the next few weeks when championship or league matches are scheduled in exam time yet in terms of time and effort, money for travel and for ref expenses last night was a joke in the most cases

Agree totally Nora.All the results last night were fairly predictable,and with a tight fixture schedule,this series of games was a waste of a valuable fixture slot. I think if we have senior/intermediate and junior grades at adult level,we should aim to have the same at underage level.I think the natural division would be 15-a-side competitions at A & B level with 13-a-side at C level.I would suggest that these grades for championship and league proper are decided each year on the basis of initial A,B,and C leagues with promotion and relegation,giving every club the opportunity to find their most appropriate grading at each age group on a year to year basis.Underage fixtures should initially be on a regional basis,with an opportunity to play All-County later in the season.
The exam scenario creates enormous problems,and I can't understand why we must cram so many games in at all levels in the exam prep months of April,May,June and then have little action in the other months of the year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on May 05, 2010, 12:59:59 PM
Fair play to Aaron Kernan ,


Aaron Kernan has pleaded with the CCCC to show leniency towards Down's Daniel McCartan, who is facing an eight-week suspension.

McCartan was sent off for allegedly stamping on the Armagh star during the NFL Division 2 final last Sunday week and an eight-week ban was subsequently proposed for the Burren clubman, which would see him miss the Ulster SFC opener against Donegal on May 30 and a possible semi-final against Tyrone or Antrim
Kernan, who is expected to appear before disciplinary chiefs on McCartan's behalf, said yesterday: "I don't like getting involved in these things but I didn't make much of it at all.

"I'd say if you look at it on TV, it looks like there's more to it, but he hardly touched me to be honest. Genuinely, I don't feel he meant to do what happened, I wouldn't see it as a stamp.

"It wouldn't like to see any man miss two or three months at the busiest time of the year over something like it."

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 05, 2010, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: downredblack on May 05, 2010, 12:59:59 PM
Fair play to Aaron Kernan ,


Aaron Kernan has pleaded with the CCCC to show leniency towards Down's Daniel McCartan, who is facing an eight-week suspension.

McCartan was sent off for allegedly stamping on the Armagh star during the NFL Division 2 final last Sunday week and an eight-week ban was subsequently proposed for the Burren clubman, which would see him miss the Ulster SFC opener against Donegal on May 30 and a possible semi-final against Tyrone or Antrim
Kernan, who is expected to appear before disciplinary chiefs on McCartan's behalf, said yesterday: "I don't like getting involved in these things but I didn't make much of it at all.

"I'd say if you look at it on TV, it looks like there's more to it, but he hardly touched me to be honest. Genuinely, I don't feel he meant to do what happened, I wouldn't see it as a stamp.

"It wouldn't like to see any man miss two or three months at the busiest time of the year over something like it."

    The cameras didn't show it but Kernan started the argy bargy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on May 05, 2010, 03:39:13 PM
I remember seeing it, fro ma distance obviously, thought it looked pretty deliberate at the time, never seen it on TV though. Is there anywhere to see it? youtube or nything?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on May 05, 2010, 03:42:17 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 05, 2010, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: downredblack on May 05, 2010, 12:59:59 PM
Fair play to Aaron Kernan ,


Aaron Kernan has pleaded with the CCCC to show leniency towards Down's Daniel McCartan, who is facing an eight-week suspension.

McCartan was sent off for allegedly stamping on the Armagh star during the NFL Division 2 final last Sunday week and an eight-week ban was subsequently proposed for the Burren clubman, which would see him miss the Ulster SFC opener against Donegal on May 30 and a possible semi-final against Tyrone or Antrim
Kernan, who is expected to appear before disciplinary chiefs on McCartan's behalf, said yesterday: "I don't like getting involved in these things but I didn't make much of it at all.

"I'd say if you look at it on TV, it looks like there's more to it, but he hardly touched me to be honest. Genuinely, I don't feel he meant to do what happened, I wouldn't see it as a stamp.

"It wouldn't like to see any man miss two or three months at the busiest time of the year over something like it."

    The cameras didn't show it but Kernan started the argy bargy

So what you are saying  is that Mc Cartan retaliated to Kernan starting the argy bargy and obviously Mc Cartan had intent. The video shows that .It was a disgraceful thuggish action and a player who does that deserves to be punished heavily.A pr campaign can no way excuse such unsporting behaviour .



                                            the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on May 05, 2010, 06:09:12 PM
Quote from: thegael on May 05, 2010, 03:42:17 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 05, 2010, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: downredblack on May 05, 2010, 12:59:59 PM
Fair play to Aaron Kernan ,


Aaron Kernan has pleaded with the CCCC to show leniency towards Down's Daniel McCartan, who is facing an eight-week suspension.

McCartan was sent off for allegedly stamping on the Armagh star during the NFL Division 2 final last Sunday week and an eight-week ban was subsequently proposed for the Burren clubman, which would see him miss the Ulster SFC opener against Donegal on May 30 and a possible semi-final against Tyrone or Antrim
Kernan, who is expected to appear before disciplinary chiefs on McCartan's behalf, said yesterday: "I don't like getting involved in these things but I didn't make much of it at all.

"I'd say if you look at it on TV, it looks like there's more to it, but he hardly touched me to be honest. Genuinely, I don't feel he meant to do what happened, I wouldn't see it as a stamp.

"It wouldn't like to see any man miss two or three months at the busiest time of the year over something like it."

    The cameras didn't show it but Kernan started the argy bargy

So what you are saying  is that Mc Cartan retaliated to Kernan starting the argy bargy and obviously Mc Cartan had intent. The video shows that .It was a disgraceful thuggish action and a player who does that deserves to be punished heavily.A pr campaign can no way excuse such unsporting behaviour .



                                            the gael takes no prisoners!

the gael, do you support Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on May 05, 2010, 10:46:10 PM
CHC impose eight week ban on McCartan
(http://www.hoganstand.com/Common/NewGallery/daniel-mccartan.jpg)
Down's Daniel McCartan closes in on Armagh's Ryan Henderson at Croke Park.
05 May 2010

Down's Daniel McCartan has had an eight week suspension imposed on him after the Central Hearing Committee adjudicated his case.

The Mourne defender was issued with a red card in the NFL Division 2 final against Armagh and was reported by the referee for 'stamping on an opponent.'

The Central Competitions Control Committee proposed the ban and McCartan did not accept that ruling, which led to the hearing.

A statement today from Croke Park confirmed the news: "The Central Hearings Committee did not find the video evidence submitted sufficiently compelling to contradict the contents of the Referees' Report and suspended Daniel McCartan for 8 weeks from the date of the game."

As it stands now the Burren clubman will miss the Ulster SFC opener against Donegal on May 30 and a possible semi-final against Tyrone or Antrim, although he still has the option to go to the Central Appeals Committee.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=128172 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=128172)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on May 06, 2010, 02:32:18 PM
These Down pages have become exceptionally quiet recently...anyway thought I'd throw out there a few predictions for games tomorrow night as the league's are slowly beginning to take shape this year...

Bryansford  Rostrevor - both teams showing signs of form but i'l go for a narrow home win.
Liatroim  Castlewellan - derby that could have major implacations on the rest of the season - low scoring win for liatroim   
Clonduff  Burren - Burren lookin good and should continue that on Friday   
An Riocht  Longstone - Stone did well last week when missing Ambrose and conor poland, think Kingdom will shade this though 
Mayobridge  Kilcoo - always an interesting game..what odds on a draw?  I'm sure a few posters would know!

Ballyholland  Warrenpoint - Think this games moved to Sunday, but fancy the harps to win easing up   
Kilclief  Tullylish  - Kilclief until this year usually formiddable at home, I fancy them to get back on track here
Clann na Banna  Loughinisland - Clann na banna seem to be going very well, but think island will have too much
Saval  Ballymartin  - Whites started well but have had two bad results recently, saval should be too strong
Downpatrick  Attical - Downpatrick should get back on track with plenty to spare here

Don't know enough about Divisions 3 and 4...
Folks feel free till add your tupence woth!
Annaclone  Shamrocks 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on May 06, 2010, 02:36:17 PM
Sorry to clone and shamrocks a slight over sight...bot teams defeated last week with a bit to spare- they may cancel each other out here - draw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 06, 2010, 04:27:26 PM
Ballyholland  Warrenpoint - Think this games moved to Sunday, but fancy the harps to win easing up   

Correction....this game is now in Ballyholland tomorrow Saturday...Throw In 6pm...such a bit of arsin about :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on May 07, 2010, 08:00:52 PM
Half-time score
Glenn 3-4
Saul 0-4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on May 07, 2010, 08:42:24 PM
Full Time
Glenn 5-11
Saul 0-9 or 0-7. I'm getting different reports.

Any other results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 07, 2010, 08:58:56 PM
Mayobridge 2-14 Kilcoo 3-8.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on May 07, 2010, 09:12:05 PM
Loughinisland beat Clann na Banna by a point with more than a little help from Pat McDade. Loughinisland will know they got out of jail with this one. The 'referee'gave them 2 scores which were wide and denied Banbridge a point which was clearly a point after he intially signalled for a point, then in the last minute waved away as blatant a 14 yard free as your ever likely to see. No matter what Clann na Banna done here tonight there was no way on this earth that referee

{Edited mod 3 - Completely OTT.)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 07, 2010, 09:24:53 PM
Division 3
Dundrum 0-08  Drumgath 0-13

The Gath were 0-08 0-03 up at halftime. Eddie McConville and Mark Connolly hitting over a couple of well taken frees.

We got back into it the 2nd half and ended up drawing this period 0-05 each.

We are now in a relegation dogfight. Drumgath arent any big shakes and I wouldn't think they'd be strong enough to compete with the likes of Glasdrumman.

Man of the match was undoubtedly Dougie Sheerin in midfield. Must have won about 7 or 8 clean ball all night. McComiskey also played well bagging 0-06.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 07, 2010, 09:27:39 PM
ACFL Division 1
   
Bryansford  0-5 0-10 Rostrevor  Bryansford Round 6 
Liatroim  0-11 0-10 Castlewellan  Liatroim Round 6 
An Riocht  2-10 0-10 Longstone  An Riocht Round 6 
Mayobridge  2-14 3-8 Kilcoo  Mayobridge Round 6 

ACFL Division 2

Kilclief  0-11 3-15 Tullylish  Kilclief Round 7 
Saval  2-18 4-5 Ballymartin  Saval Round 7 

ACFL Division 3

Glenn  5-11 0-9 Saul  Glenn Round 7 
St John Bosco  0-8 1-11 Carryduff  St John Bosco Round 7 
Glasdrumman  0-15 0-9 St Johns  Glasdrumman Round 7
 
ACFL Division 4

Ballykinlar  2-10 2-7 Dromara  Ballykinlar Round 7 
Aghaderg  0-13 2-13 Aughlisnafin  Aghaderg Round 7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on May 07, 2010, 09:28:43 PM
Downpatrick 2-9 Attical 0-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 07, 2010, 09:52:53 PM
ACFL Division 1
   
Bryansford  0-5 0-10 Rostrevor  Bryansford Round 6 
Liatroim  0-11 0-10 Castlewellan  Liatroim Round 6 
Clonduff  3-9 4-9 Burren  Clonduff Round 6 
An Riocht  2-10 0-10 Longstone  An Riocht Round 6 
Mayobridge  2-14 3-8 Kilcoo  Mayobridge Round 6 

ACFL Division 2  

Kilclief  0-11 3-15 Tullylish  Kilclief Round 7 
Clann na Banna  1-10 0-14 Loughinisland  Clann na Banna Round 7 
Saval  2-18 4-5 Ballymartin  Saval Round 7 
Downpatrick  2-8 0-7 Atticall  Downpatrick Round 7 
Annaclone  0-13 1-5 Shamrocks  Annaclone Round 7 

ACFL Division 3
   
Ardglass  1-11 2-9 Drumaness  Ardglass Round 7 
Drumgath  0-13 0-8 Dundrum  Dundrum Round 7 
Glenn  5-11 0-9 Saul  Glenn Round 7 
St John Bosco  0-8 1-11 Carryduff  St John Bosco Round 7 
Glasdrumman  0-15 0-9 St Johns  Glasdrumman Round 7 

ACFL Division 4

Ballykinlar  2-10 2-7 Dromara  Ballykinlar Round 7 
Aghaderg  0-13 2-13 Aughlisnafin  Aghaderg Round 7 
St Michaels  2-18 1-10 Mitchels  St Michaels Round 7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 07, 2010, 09:58:20 PM
What about Darragh v Breda?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 07, 2010, 10:01:01 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on May 07, 2010, 09:58:20 PM
What about Darragh v Breda?

Monday night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 07, 2010, 11:05:15 PM
DMcF, in Down, as in every other county in Ireland, we have referees, players and officials, who have good, bad and indifferent days, in common with the rest of the population. I was not at the game in question, but the terms you use about the referee cannot be justified and are legally dubious as well. You should revise your comments.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 08, 2010, 12:05:59 AM
Well said Mourne Rover, this constant abuse of Referees has got to stop. Some of them may be poor, i doubt that many are biased, but i am certain there are not many volunteers seeking to do the job, so a little appreciation of the Men we have got would not be amiss
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 08, 2010, 02:34:53 AM
Despite conceding two goals in the opening eight minutes Mayobridge chalked up an impressive win over visitors Kilcoo on Friday evening. The 'Bridge could also afford the luxury of a missed penalty and another great goal opportunity as they turned in a much improved performance to win by a three point margin. Cathal Magee opened the scoring in the first minute but then in their first attack the Magpies sliced open the 'Bridge defence and corner back Niall Brannigan slammed the ball to the net. Points from Brendan Coulter and Cathal Magee levelled matters but then very slack marking saw Barry Kane finding the net for the visitors. Once again the Sky Blues had to pick themselves up and they did so in style sending over three quick points from, Cathal Magee, Ryan Brady and Brendan Coulter. Kilcoo then forged ahead again but the home side suffered another blow in the 17th minute wnen Ryan Brady was upended in the goalmouth but the resultant penalty was driven wide by Brendan Coulter. However the 'Bridge dusted themselves down again and by the interval were back on level terms, 0-9 to 2-3.

Cathal Magee got the Sky Blues off to a dream start in the second half when he was set up by Keith Quinn and had the easy task of palming the ball to the net. Kicoo however were not giving up trhe fight and and a Barry Kane goal in the 49th minute levelled the game. Straight from the kick-out the home side attacked and a Cathal Magee pass saw Brendan Coulter in the clear and he rounded the 'keeper to blast the ball home. Paul Devlin narrowed the gap with a point in the 55th minute but scores from, Ronan Sexton, Cathal Magee and Conleth O'Hare made the outcome secure. Kicoo added two points in injury time but it was the League Champions who came out on top. This was a very well contested game, played in the right spirit between two well matched teams and proved great entertainment for the large crowd. Mayobridge certainly showed a great improvement from some of their previous games and hopefully they will build on this for the rest of the season.

Mayobridge team and scorers: Liam Coulter, Adrian Barry, Conor Garvey, Brendan Rooney, Shane O'Hare, Brendan Grant, Kevin McClorey, Eoghan Woods, Micheal Lively, Keith Quinn (0-1), Cathal Killen, Ryan Brady (0-2), Ronan Sexton (0-2), Cathal Magee (1-5), Brendan Coulter (1-3).

Subs used: Conleth O'Hare (0-1), Gavin Walsh.

Kilcoo scorers: Barry Kane (2-5), Niall Brannigan (1-0), Conor Laverty (0-2), Paul Devlin (0-1).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on May 08, 2010, 09:22:39 AM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on May 07, 2010, 09:12:05 PM
Loughinisland beat Clann na Banna by a point with more than a little help from the clown Pat McDade. Loughinisland will know they got out of jail with this one. The 'referee'gave them 2 scores which were wide and denied Banbridge a point which was clearly a point after he intially signalled for a point, then in the last minute waved away as blatant a 14 yard free as your ever likely to see. No matter what Clann na Banna done here tonight there was no way on this earth that excuse for a referee was letting them get away with anything from this game. He is a disgrace to the game and was determined to cheat Banbridge out of it. Its people like him turn people away from the game.
Both teams gave everything in this game and that clown McDade made sure it was him had the biggest influnce on the game
I agree with the two lads on the comments that you have made about the ref.There are two sides to every story what kind of abuse was the ref given during the game because at the end of the day he is humem and can make mistakes,if the back chat and abuse that the refs have to endure stopped, we might get refs doing a better job when they are given the chance to concentrate on the job in hand.I am by no means trying to defend his decisions ,I've been there and know what it is like to leave a game that you could have got something from ,with nothing but this is sadly part and parcel of the game.Refs will not mind you coming up to them at the end of the game and asking them about various decisions that were made during the game at least you will know what he saw.But as far as some of the abuse refs have to take it must stop,young people see it and it puts them off taking up this part of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFan2010 on May 08, 2010, 10:43:19 AM
Dannymcfella, these things seem to even out over the course of a season anyway. I wouldn't completely blame a referee for a defeat, as that simply excuses all the mistakes made by your team during the course of a game. That said I know how infuriating referees are at times and sometimes this leads us to think something more sinister is on their agenda.

Back to last nights results, big wins for Downpatrick,Annaclone and Tullylish. The pressure will be on Ballyholland to get a result this evening to kickstart their season. Kilcief look in dire straits already, heard John McGreevy was in great scoring form last night again, my man at the game says he scored 2-9, most from play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 08, 2010, 10:54:20 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 08, 2010, 02:34:53 AM
Despite conceding two goals in the opening eight minutes Mayobridge chalked up an impressive win over visitors Kilcoo on Friday evening. The 'Bridge could also afford the luxury of a missed penalty and another great goal opportunity as they turned in a much improved performance to win by a three point margin. Cathal Magee opened the scoring in the first minute but then in their first attack the Magpies sliced open the 'Bridge defence and corner back Niall Brannigan slammed the ball to the net. Points from Brendan Coulter and Cathal Magee levelled matters but then very slack marking saw Barry Kane finding the net for the visitors. Once again the Sky Blues had to pick themselves up and they did so in style sending over three quick points from, Cathal Magee, Ryan Brady and Brendan Coulter. Kilcoo then forged ahead again but the home side suffered another blow in the 17th minute wnen Ryan Brady was upended in the goalmouth but the resultant penalty was driven wide by Brendan Coulter. However the 'Bridge dusted themselves down again and by the interval were back on level terms, 0-9 to 2-3.

Cathal Magee got the Sky Blues off to a dream start in the second half when he was set up by Keith Quinn and had the easy task of palming the ball to the net. Kicoo however were not giving up trhe fight and and a Barry Kane goal in the 49th minute levelled the game. Straight from the kick-out the home side attacked and a Cathal Magee pass saw Brendan Coulter in the clear and he rounded the 'keeper to blast the ball home. Paul Devlin narrowed the gap with a point in the 55th minute but scores from, Ronan Sexton, Cathal Magee and Conleth O'Hare made the outcome secure. Kicoo added two points in injury time but it was the League Champions who came out on top. This was a very well contested game, played in the right spirit between two well matched teams and proved great entertainment for the large crowd. Mayobridge certainly showed a great improvement from some of their previous games and hopefully they will build on this for the rest of the season.

Mayobridge team and scorers: Liam Coulter, Adrian Barry, Conor Garvey, Brendan Rooney, Shane O'Hare, Brendan Grant, Kevin McClorey, Eoghan Woods, Micheal Lively, Keith Quinn (0-1), Cathal Killen, Ryan Brady (0-2), Ronan Sexton (0-2), Cathal Magee (1-5), Brendan Coulter (1-3).

Subs used: Conleth O'Hare (0-1), Gavin Walsh.

Kilcoo scorers: Barry Kane (2-5), Niall Brannigan (1-0), Conor Laverty (0-2), Paul Devlin (0-1).

The bridge fully deserved their win over us last night. They where totally dominant in midfield where we had no answer to Woods. Our defence went awol for the two goals which cost us dearly. I reakoned both sides where about 4 starters short. The sooner we have Greenan and Marty McClean back in midfield the better and quit giving away sloppy goals like we have done in our last two games. Entertaining game with not a bad stroke in it, pure football. The bridge will still be the team to beat come championship time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on May 08, 2010, 11:04:06 AM
Quote from: DownFan2010 on May 08, 2010, 10:43:19 AM
Dannymcfella, these things seem to even out over the course of a season anyway. I wouldn't completely blame a referee for a defeat, as that simply excuses all the mistakes made by your team during the course of a game. That said I know how infuriating referees are at times and sometimes this leads us to think something more sinister is on their agenda.

Back to last nights results, big wins for Downpatrick,Annaclone and Tullylish. The pressure will be on Ballyholland to get a result this evening to kickstart their season. Kilcief look in dire straits already, heard John McGreevy was in great scoring form last night again, my man at the game says he scored 2-9, most from play.

Sour grapes Dannymcfella
John McAreavey was in great form last night probably back to his very best. Think he finished up with 2-7. It was Tullylish's workrate that won the game last night and the half forward line was fantastic in their tracking back and tackling. Kilclief did not deserve the 10 points which was registered on the scoreboard which were mainly from frees probably only 2 points from play. The referee gave them a lot of easy frees. If this game was tighter the referee probably would have handed the game to Kilclief. Seems to be the trend when a south Down team goes to play in East Down and the referee is from a neighbouring club and gives the locals easy frees. Tullylish could have won this game by a lot more. Onwards and upwards for Tullylish. Sitting there nicely in the mix of division 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on May 08, 2010, 12:26:23 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on May 08, 2010, 12:05:59 AM
Well said Mourne Rover, this constant abuse of Referees has got to stop. Some of them may be poor, i doubt that many are biased, but i am certain there are not many volunteers seeking to do the job, so a little appreciation of the Men we have got would not be amiss

Understand your view pangurban but when a ref overrules umpires 3 times it doesnt seem right.  Had it happened at one of the more hostile grounds in the county there would have been serious trouble.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on May 08, 2010, 02:43:23 PM
Are there top 4 and bottom 4 playoffs this year in Div 1 even though there are fewer teams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 08, 2010, 03:08:42 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on May 08, 2010, 02:43:23 PM
Are there top 4 and bottom 4 playoffs this year in Div 1 even though there are fewer teams?

The bottom team are automatically relegated with 2nd from bottom and 3rd from bottom playing off for the second team to be relegated. second and third at the top play a simi final and play the team who finished top in league final. Hard to see the town and Liatriom surviving at this early stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on May 08, 2010, 06:36:52 PM
Quote from: banker on May 08, 2010, 11:04:06 AM
Quote from: DownFan2010 on May 08, 2010, 10:43:19 AM
Dannymcfella, these things seem to even out over the course of a season anyway. I wouldn't completely blame a referee for a defeat, as that simply excuses all the mistakes made by your team during the course of a game. That said I know how infuriating referees are at times and sometimes this leads us to think something more sinister is on their agenda.

Back to last nights results, big wins for Downpatrick,Annaclone and Tullylish. The pressure will be on Ballyholland to get a result this evening to kickstart their season. Kilcief look in dire straits already, heard John McGreevy was in great scoring form last night again, my man at the game says he scored 2-9, most from play.

Sour grapes Dannymcfella
John McAreavey was in great form last night probably back to his very best. Think he finished up with 2-7. It was Tullylish's workrate that won the game last night and the half forward line was fantastic in their tracking back and tackling. Kilclief did not deserve the 10 points which was registered on the scoreboard which were mainly from frees probably only 2 points from play. The referee gave them a lot of easy frees. If this game was tighter the referee probably would have handed the game to Kilclief. Seems to be the trend when a south Down team goes to play in East Down and the referee is from a neighbouring club and gives the locals easy frees. Tullylish could have won this game by a lot more. Onwards and upwards for Tullylish. Sitting there nicely in the mix of division 2.
And do you seriously think that East Down Teams dont think this is how it is for them when they go South!
.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 08, 2010, 07:30:40 PM
Boys/ladies no point in wasting finger energy in typing about the boys in black, as  there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Good, bad or horrific you just had get on with i.
I think its very unfair publically naming a ref for a sub standard performance. I have respect for them for having the balls to go in the firing line to ref matches when they could be doing a thousand and one other things on a Friday night like watching their own club.
I do understand when you bust your ass training and lose a tight game to a bad decision it will make some see red, however, just like players they will have good days and crap days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 08, 2010, 08:06:20 PM
Harps 0-13 The Point 0-10


I think the point only got one score frpom play. McGarry got the rest from deadballs.

A half fit Rony Murtagh caused havoc when he came on at half time. We went from a point down to 5 in front in the space of 10 minutes at the start of the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on May 08, 2010, 09:33:53 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on May 08, 2010, 07:30:40 PM
Boys/ladies no point in wasting finger energy in typing about the boys in black, as  there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. Good, bad or horrific you just had get on with i.
I think its very unfair publically naming a ref for a sub standard performance. I have respect for them for having the balls to go in the firing line to ref matches when they could be doing a thousand and one other things on a Friday night like watching their own club.
I do understand when you bust your ass training and lose a tight game to a bad decision it will make some see red, however, just like players they will have good days and crap days.
I agree totally
I was just making the point that this perception is not the preserve of one side of the county.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on May 09, 2010, 03:20:10 AM
Quote from: banker on May 08, 2010, 11:04:06 AM
Quote from: DownFan2010 on May 08, 2010, 10:43:19 AM
Dannymcfella, these things seem to even out over the course of a season anyway. I wouldn't completely blame a referee for a defeat, as that simply excuses all the mistakes made by your team during the course of a game. That said I know how infuriating referees are at times and sometimes this leads us to think something more sinister is on their agenda.

Back to last nights results, big wins for Downpatrick,Annaclone and Tullylish. The pressure will be on Ballyholland to get a result this evening to kickstart their season. Kilcief look in dire straits already, heard John McGreevy was in great scoring form last night again, my man at the game says he scored 2-9, most from play.

Sour grapes Dannymcfella
John McAreavey was in great form last night probably back to his very best. Think he finished up with 2-7. It was Tullylish's workrate that won the game last night and the half forward line was fantastic in their tracking back and tackling. Kilclief did not deserve the 10 points which was registered on the scoreboard which were mainly from frees probably only 2 points from play. The referee gave them a lot of easy frees. If this game was tighter the referee probably would have handed the game to Kilclief. Seems to be the trend when a south Down team goes to play in East Down and the referee is from a neighbouring club and gives the locals easy frees. Tullylish could have won this game by a lot more. Onwards and upwards for Tullylish. Sitting there nicely in the mix of division 2.
no bones not sour grapes, stating facts which loughinisland players will agree with, although your statement of sour grapes comes from a great position of authority considering you were standing along the line in tullylish colours in kilclief so would know very little about what went on at our game! You seriously want your point about my post being sour grapes taken seriously yet you come on and complain about the referees performance despite  hammering a team?  and sebastion you said about the ref getting abuse during the game, ask the loughinisland manager who the more disciplined team was as he ran the line a few times trying to find out who was arguing with the ref which resulted in frees getting moved forward, something which didnt happen with us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on May 09, 2010, 01:12:16 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on May 09, 2010, 03:20:10 AM
Quote from: banker on May 08, 2010, 11:04:06 AM
Quote from: DownFan2010 on May 08, 2010, 10:43:19 AM
Dannymcfella, these things seem to even out over the course of a season anyway. I wouldn't completely blame a referee for a defeat, as that simply excuses all the mistakes made by your team during the course of a game. That said I know how infuriating referees are at times and sometimes this leads us to think something more sinister is on their agenda.

Back to last nights results, big wins for Downpatrick,Annaclone and Tullylish. The pressure will be on Ballyholland to get a result this evening to kickstart their season. Kilcief look in dire straits already, heard John McGreevy was in great scoring form last night again, my man at the game says he scored 2-9, most from play.

Sour grapes Dannymcfella
John McAreavey was in great form last night probably back to his very best. Think he finished up with 2-7. It was Tullylish's workrate that won the game last night and the half forward line was fantastic in their tracking back and tackling. Kilclief did not deserve the 10 points which was registered on the scoreboard which were mainly from frees probably only 2 points from play. The referee gave them a lot of easy frees. If this game was tighter the referee probably would have handed the game to Kilclief. Seems to be the trend when a south Down team goes to play in East Down and the referee is from a neighbouring club and gives the locals easy frees. Tullylish could have won this game by a lot more. Onwards and upwards for Tullylish. Sitting there nicely in the mix of division 2.
no bones not sour grapes, stating facts which loughinisland players will agree with, although your statement of sour grapes comes from a great position of authority considering you were standing along the line in tullylish colours in kilclief so would know very little about what went on at our game! You seriously want your point about my post being sour grapes taken seriously yet you come on and complain about the referees performance despite  hammering a team?  and sebastion you said about the ref getting abuse during the game, ask the loughinisland manager who the more disciplined team was as he ran the line a few times trying to find out who was arguing with the ref which resulted in frees getting moved forward, something which didnt happen with us.
Was chatting to a banbridge player who when telling me about the game never mentioned the referee once and said that the island could have beaten them by more. Also, Dan Gordon said to have played well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on May 09, 2010, 04:55:29 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on May 09, 2010, 01:12:16 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on May 09, 2010, 03:20:10 AM
Quote from: banker on May 08, 2010, 11:04:06 AM
Quote from: DownFan2010 on May 08, 2010, 10:43:19 AM
Dannymcfella, these things seem to even out over the course of a season anyway. I wouldn't completely blame a referee for a defeat, as that simply excuses all the mistakes made by your team during the course of a game. That said I know how infuriating referees are at times and sometimes this leads us to think something more sinister is on their agenda.

Back to last nights results, big wins for Downpatrick,Annaclone and Tullylish. The pressure will be on Ballyholland to get a result this evening to kickstart their season. Kilcief look in dire straits already, heard John McGreevy was in great scoring form last night again, my man at the game says he scored 2-9, most from play.

Sour grapes Dannymcfella
John McAreavey was in great form last night probably back to his very best. Think he finished up with 2-7. It was Tullylish's workrate that won the game last night and the half forward line was fantastic in their tracking back and tackling. Kilclief did not deserve the 10 points which was registered on the scoreboard which were mainly from frees probably only 2 points from play. The referee gave them a lot of easy frees. If this game was tighter the referee probably would have handed the game to Kilclief. Seems to be the trend when a south Down team goes to play in East Down and the referee is from a neighbouring club and gives the locals easy frees. Tullylish could have won this game by a lot more. Onwards and upwards for Tullylish. Sitting there nicely in the mix of division 2.
no bones not sour grapes, stating facts which loughinisland players will agree with, although your statement of sour grapes comes from a great position of authority considering you were standing along the line in tullylish colours in kilclief so would know very little about what went on at our game! You seriously want your point about my post being sour grapes taken seriously yet you come on and complain about the referees performance despite  hammering a team?  and sebastion you said about the ref getting abuse during the game, ask the loughinisland manager who the more disciplined team was as he ran the line a few times trying to find out who was arguing with the ref which resulted in frees getting moved forward, something which didnt happen with us.
Was chatting to a banbridge player who when telling me about the game never mentioned the referee once and said that the island could have beaten them by more. Also, Dan Gordon said to have played well?

I find it hard to believe any Banbridge player wouldn't mention the referee. yeah Dan had a good game, some great fielding of the ball and took a great score in the second half, O'Reilly was prob their most dangerous player overall. Loughinisland had one or 2 goal chances but McAlister made a few great saves one of which was out of this world
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on May 09, 2010, 05:04:32 PM
Can anyone confirm if the ACPRL match between Kilcoo2nds + Bryansford2nds is going ahead @6pm this evening as scheduled?
Title: league tables
Post by: goldenyears on May 10, 2010, 10:17:16 AM
div1

League table for ACFL Division 1
Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Burren  5 5 0 0 83 64 19 10
Rostrevor  5 3 1 1 61 56 5 7
Bryansford  5 3 2 0 58 48 10 6
Kilcoo  5 3 2 0 81 72 9 6
An Riocht  5 3 2 0 79 80 -1 6
Mayobridge  5 2 2 1 83 82 1 5
Clonduff  5 2 3 0 78 78 0 4
Longstone  5 1 2 2 66 73 -7 4
Liatroim  5 1 4 0 56 78 -22 2
Castlewellan  5 0 5 0 58 72 -14 0

Updated: 07 May 2010


div2

League table for ACFL Division 2
Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Saval  6 4 2 0 100 72 28 8
Loughinisland  6 4 2 0 88 70 18 8
Clann na Banna  6 4 2 0 82 65 17 8
Downpatrick  6 4 2 0 69 56 13 8
Ballyholland  6 3 2 1 67 59 8 7
Tullylish  6 3 3 0 86 77 9 6
Warrenpoint  6 3 3 0 71 67 4 6
Ballymartin  6 3 3 0 87 90 -3 6
Shamrocks  6 3 3 0 71 78 -7 6
Annaclone  6 3 3 0 63 78 -15 6
Kilclief  6 1 5 0 72 107 -35 2
Atticall  6 0 5 1 53 90 -37 1

Updated: 08 May 2010
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 10, 2010, 12:06:54 PM
A great start for Burren 5 from 5.  Castlewellan look to be in trouble.  Signs of improvement in the Bridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 10, 2010, 03:37:45 PM
Yes good start from burren reminds me of our own start to last season! They'll be hopin to maintain it, something we couldnt seem to do. hopefully this season we can push on from the dissapointment of the latter part of last season. Sitting 2nd at the moment with some tough games to come v kilcoo and an rioct with their county men!
Title: Re: league tables
Post by: DownFanatic on May 10, 2010, 06:25:37 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 10, 2010, 10:17:16 AM
div1

League table for ACFL Division 1
Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Burren  5 5 0 0 83 64 19 10
Rostrevor  5 3 1 1 61 56 5 7
Bryansford  5 3 2 0 58 48 10 6
Kilcoo  5 3 2 0 81 72 9 6
An Riocht  5 3 2 0 79 80 -1 6
Mayobridge  5 2 2 1 83 82 1 5
Clonduff  5 2 3 0 78 78 0 4
Longstone  5 1 2 2 66 73 -7 4
Liatroim  5 1 4 0 56 78 -22 2
Castlewellan  5 0 5 0 58 72 -14 0

Updated: 07 May 2010


div2

League table for ACFL Division 2
Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Saval  6 4 2 0 100 72 28 8
Loughinisland  6 4 2 0 88 70 18 8
Clann na Banna  6 4 2 0 82 65 17 8
Downpatrick  6 4 2 0 69 56 13 8
Ballyholland  6 3 2 1 67 59 8 7
Tullylish  6 3 3 0 86 77 9 6
Warrenpoint  6 3 3 0 71 67 4 6
Ballymartin  6 3 3 0 87 90 -3 6
Shamrocks  6 3 3 0 71 78 -7 6
Annaclone  6 3 3 0 63 78 -15 6
Kilclief  6 1 5 0 72 107 -35 2
Atticall  6 0 5 1 53 90 -37 1

Updated: 08 May 2010

I know its early yet but it looks like Atticall and Kilclief are struggling. Does anybody know how long Kilclief have been in Division 2 for? 12 years maybe? Also, I cant mind the last time Atticall were in Division 3. Would it have been as long as 15 years or so?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on May 10, 2010, 06:44:05 PM
The first division looks really close except for The Town and Liatroim. Its going to be interesting as the county pull the club players in thus starred games are going to have a real impact. The counties training sessions taking a big toll on club players as Fridays matchs showed. Most county players could hardly pull up their socks never mind tie their laces. Some clubs wish Fridays games had been starred as their county players were legless after extremely tough Thursday session. Burren 3 county lads came off during the game and The Ford may as well have taken those off that actually turned up and the reports from the other clubs showed that their county players did not perform as usual. No wonder the injuries are mounting up but lets hope its all worth it and teams like An Riocht with 4 county players will not suffer at end of tight season with the reduced league numbers.. Oh hello boyz and gals by the way its me first post and i'm really nervous as i don't want to get a big roastin from some of youz uns, especially those lads that are chowing the ballacks of the poor wee men in black (endangered species). ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on May 10, 2010, 09:20:32 PM
Div 3 result
Bredagh 0-4 Darragh Cross 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on May 10, 2010, 09:33:09 PM
Glassdrumman 0.6.     2.10 Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 10, 2010, 09:34:15 PM
The Johnnies bate Ardglass by a point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 10, 2010, 09:43:11 PM
Quote from: sebastion on May 10, 2010, 09:33:09 PM
Glassdrumman 0.6.     2.10 Drumgath

must go down as a massive shock

keeps div 3 interesting now! big weekend ahead, any of the top 4 or 5 can be sitting top come 8.30 fri nite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on May 10, 2010, 09:50:30 PM
Drumgath battled hard could have won by more was an incident at the end Ryan Doran busted Mark Connelly looked nasty enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on May 10, 2010, 09:52:39 PM
Anybody got div 3 table
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on May 11, 2010, 01:28:16 AM
Division 3          P   W   L   D   Pts
Glasdrumman          6   5   1   0   10
Darragh Cross          6   5   1   0   10
Carryduff                  6   4   1   1   9
Bredagh                  6   4   1   1   9
Glenn                          6   4   2   0   8
Drumgath                  6   3   2   1   7
St John's                  6   3   3   0   6
St John Bosco          6   2   4   0   4
Drumaness                  6   2   4   0   4
Dundrum                  6   1   5   0   2
Ardglass                  6   1   5   0   2
Saul                          6   0   5   1   1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 11, 2010, 10:24:54 AM
QuoteKilclief did not deserve the 10 points which was registered on the scoreboard which were mainly from frees probably only 2 points from play. The referee gave them a lot of easy frees. If this game was tighter the referee probably would have handed the game to Kilclief.

FFS, you are some slabber.  The only thing worse than a sore loser is an arrogant winner, were you not content with the complete hammering yiz handed out?

DF, I'd say 12 years is about right and if I remember correctly Attical went up the year before us.  It is looking ominous for us even at this early stage.  Still, at least S*ul will be in Div 4 next year.   :o

Reserve football is where it's at these days anyway and if anyone is looking to get a hard but fair and completely within the rules challenge on one of our much maligned referees then you need to arrange a match with Dromara II's.  Think I counted 3 current whistlers playing for them on Sunday past!   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on May 11, 2010, 10:31:44 AM
Quote from: sebastion on May 10, 2010, 09:50:30 PM
Drumgath battled hard could have won by more was an incident at the end Ryan Doran busted Mark Connelly looked nasty enough

Ging Connolly got busted, well he didnt get it for his charity work ;) Big result for Drumgath but realistically I doubt if Glasdrumann are near as good as they think they are and Drumgath are always hard to beat after they get the first coulpe of games out of the road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 11, 2010, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: Fíor Gael on May 11, 2010, 10:31:44 AM
Quote from: sebastion on May 10, 2010, 09:50:30 PM
Drumgath battled hard could have won by more was an incident at the end Ryan Doran busted Mark Connelly looked nasty enough

Ging Connolly got busted, well he didnt get it for his charity work ;) Big result for Drumgath but realistically I doubt if Glasdrumann are near as good as they think they are and Drumgath are always hard to beat after they get the first coulpe of games out of the road.

there is a spell check you can use f.g  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on May 11, 2010, 11:01:41 AM
Quote from: No1 on May 11, 2010, 10:24:54 AM
QuoteKilclief did not deserve the 10 points which was registered on the scoreboard which were mainly from frees probably only 2 points from play. The referee gave them a lot of easy frees. If this game was tighter the referee probably would have handed the game to Kilclief.

FFS, you are some slabber.  The only thing worse than a sore loser is an arrogant winner, were you not content with the complete hammering yiz handed out?

DF, I'd say 12 years is about right and if I remember correctly Attical went up the year before us.  It is looking ominous for us even at this early stage.  Still, at least S*ul will be in Div 4 next year.   :o

Reserve football is where it's at these days anyway and if anyone is looking to get a hard but fair and completely within the rules challenge on one of our much maligned referees then you need to arrange a match with Dromara II's.  Think I counted 3 current whistlers playing for them on Sunday past!

I think Kilclief got promoted from division 4 in 1995 and went straight up to 2 the year after.  Might be wrong about the going straight to 2 bit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on May 11, 2010, 07:05:06 PM
look out glenn . the drums are waiting for you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on May 11, 2010, 07:16:08 PM
glassdrummans  umpire needs to take a lie detector test and should be nominated  for an oscar for his diving stunt
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 11, 2010, 11:31:28 PM
Quote from: lucan on May 11, 2010, 07:05:06 PM
look out glenn . the drums are waiting for you.

The drumsgath or the Dundrums? never heard off either the teams being refered to as that, my reason for asking?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on May 12, 2010, 08:13:31 AM
Quote from: No1 on May 11, 2010, 10:24:54 AM
QuoteKilclief did not deserve the 10 points which was registered on the scoreboard which were mainly from frees probably only 2 points from play. The referee gave them a lot of easy frees. If this game was tighter the referee probably would have handed the game to Kilclief.

FFS, you are some slabber.  The only thing worse than a sore loser is an arrogant winner, were you not content with the complete hammering yiz handed out?

DF, I'd say 12 years is about right and if I remember correctly Attical went up the year before us.  It is looking ominous for us even at this early stage.  Still, at least S*ul will be in Div 4 next year.   :o

Reserve football is where it's at these days anyway and if anyone is looking to get a hard but fair and completely within the rules challenge on one of our much maligned referees then you need to arrange a match with Dromara II's.  Think I counted 3 current whistlers playing for them on Sunday past!

Kilclief were promoted in 1996 as well you know no.1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on May 12, 2010, 11:52:07 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on May 11, 2010, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: Fíor Gael on May 11, 2010, 10:31:44 AM
Quote from: sebastion on May 10, 2010, 09:50:30 PM
Drumgath battled hard could have won by more was an incident at the end Ryan Doran busted Mark Connelly looked nasty enough

Ging Connolly got busted, well he didnt get it for his charity work ;) Big result for Drumgath but realistically I doubt if Glasdrumann are near as good as they think they are and Drumgath are always hard to beat after they get the first coulpe of games out of the road.

there is a spell check you can use f.g  :o

Charlie smell check my balls ;D
Title: where did it all go wrong
Post by: goldenyears on May 12, 2010, 12:51:39 PM
this thread used to have a pretty good level of scandal, debate and craic.....only i am addicted to the fkn thing i keep logging in! but for why, to read a load of shite from hoganstand converts

>:(
Title: Re: where did it all go wrong
Post by: T O Hare on May 12, 2010, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 12, 2010, 12:51:39 PM
this thread used to have a pretty good level of scandal, debate and craic.....only i am addicted to the fkn thing i keep logging in! but for why, to read a load of shite from hoganstand converts

>:(

my team for Donegal
1. B McVeigh
2.K McKernan
3. B McArdle
4. D Rafferty
5. A Carr
6. J Colgan
&. C Garvey
8. K King
9. D Gordan
10. D Hughes
11. M Clarke
12.P McComiskey
13. R Murtagh
14. J Clarke
15. B Coulter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 12, 2010, 02:19:21 PM
You dont fancy Ambrose then Tommy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 12, 2010, 02:23:58 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 12, 2010, 02:19:21 PM
You dont fancy Ambrose then Tommy?

If he was fit he would be a shoe !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 12, 2010, 02:28:04 PM
Sorry didnt know he was hurt....Murtagh will struggle to be fit as well...he came on for us on Saturday night and clearly wasnt at full stretch....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 12, 2010, 02:31:12 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 12, 2010, 02:28:04 PM
Sorry didnt know he was hurt....Murtagh will struggle to be fit as well...he came on for us on Saturday night and clearly wasnt at full stretch....

The Harps had a good win!!! Your manager must know a bit more about football than he does about quizzes  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 12, 2010, 02:34:45 PM
The less said about that the better....I believe he got quare stick about it!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on May 12, 2010, 05:56:00 PM
Saw this on the Down website, does anybody know where the final is and what time and who the Abbey play?


Abbey CBS Prepare For DAlton Cup Final

  Date : 12/05/2010 15:08
This is the Abbey's first final since 1993-94.  They are aiming for their 5th D'Alton title.  The last time the Abbey contested a Final the team included Michael Walsh, Ronan Sexton, Damien Rafferty and Danny Hughes.

The final has paired off the competitions two unbeaten teams.  Abbey had victories over Omagh, Armagh and St. Pius X in the group stages and topped their group with three wins.  They were then drawn against Enniskillen in the ¼ final and won that game by 5 points.  In the semi final they beat Omagh again to book their place in Thursday's final.   This is the Abbey's first Colleges A final since winning the Corn na n-Óg in 1995-96.  14 local clubs from South Down and South Armagh are presented on the squad.

Three members of the team played in last year's Dalton semi final defeat to eventual winners Maghera, captain, Sheagh Dobbin, his midfield partner Conor Mc Coy and the injured Killian Mc Evoy, who misses the final after being instrumental in getting the team to this stage.

Good luck to the Abbey CBS lads. It has been a successful year for football in Down and hopefully the DAlton Cup will be returning to Newry this year.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 12, 2010, 07:03:41 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on May 12, 2010, 05:56:00 PM
Saw this on the Down website, does anybody know where the final is and what time and who the Abbey play?


Abbey CBS Prepare For DAlton Cup Final

  Date : 12/05/2010 15:08
This is the Abbey's first final since 1993-94.  They are aiming for their 5th D'Alton title.  The last time the Abbey contested a Final the team included Michael Walsh, Ronan Sexton, Damien Rafferty and Danny Hughes.

The final has paired off the competitions two unbeaten teams.  Abbey had victories over Omagh, Armagh and St. Pius X in the group stages and topped their group with three wins.  They were then drawn against Enniskillen in the ¼ final and won that game by 5 points.  In the semi final they beat Omagh again to book their place in Thursday's final.   This is the Abbey's first Colleges A final since winning the Corn na n-Óg in 1995-96.  14 local clubs from South Down and South Armagh are presented on the squad.

Three members of the team played in last year's Dalton semi final defeat to eventual winners Maghera, captain, Sheagh Dobbin, his midfield partner Conor Mc Coy and the injured Killian Mc Evoy, who misses the final after being instrumental in getting the team to this stage.

Good luck to the Abbey CBS lads. It has been a successful year for football in Down and hopefully the DAlton Cup will be returning to Newry this year.

They play St Pats Cavan this Saturday.. not sure of the venue though!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on May 12, 2010, 07:45:22 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 12, 2010, 07:03:41 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on May 12, 2010, 05:56:00 PM
Saw this on the Down website, does anybody know where the final is and what time and who the Abbey play?


Abbey CBS Prepare For DAlton Cup Final

  Date : 12/05/2010 15:08
This is the Abbey's first final since 1993-94.  They are aiming for their 5th D'Alton title.  The last time the Abbey contested a Final the team included Michael Walsh, Ronan Sexton, Damien Rafferty and Danny Hughes.

The final has paired off the competitions two unbeaten teams.  Abbey had victories over Omagh, Armagh and St. Pius X in the group stages and topped their group with three wins.  They were then drawn against Enniskillen in the ¼ final and won that game by 5 points.  In the semi final they beat Omagh again to book their place in Thursday's final.   This is the Abbey's first Colleges A final since winning the Corn na n-Óg in 1995-96.  14 local clubs from South Down and South Armagh are presented on the squad.

Three members of the team played in last year's Dalton semi final defeat to eventual winners Maghera, captain, Sheagh Dobbin, his midfield partner Conor Mc Coy and the injured Killian Mc Evoy, who misses the final after being instrumental in getting the team to this stage.

Good luck to the Abbey CBS lads. It has been a successful year for football in Down and hopefully the DAlton Cup will be returning to Newry this year.

They play St Pats Cavan this Saturday.. not sure of the venue though!!!
BT D'Alton Cup final, Thursday 2pm, Pearse Og Armagh :
Abbey Newry v St Patrick's Cavan

From Ulster Colleges website.
Title: Re: where did it all go wrong
Post by: Dubh driocht on May 12, 2010, 08:08:59 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 12, 2010, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 12, 2010, 12:51:39 PM
this thread used to have a pretty good level of scandal, debate and craic.....only i am addicted to the fkn thing i keep logging in! but for why, to read a load of shite from hoganstand converts

>:(

my team for Donegal
1. B McVeigh
2.K McKernan
3. B McArdle
4. D Rafferty
5. A Carr
6. J Colgan
&. C Garvey
8. K King
9. D Gordan
10. D Hughes
11. M Clarke
12.P McComiskey
13. R Murtagh
14. J Clarke
15. B Coulter
This is probably the team James will pick but Danny Hughes and Ronan Murtagh would not be on my starting 15. I would have Maginn and Carr as the two half-forwards and Timmy Hanna in the half-back line.All this assumes Ambrose is out - any news ?
Title: Re: where did it all go wrong
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 12, 2010, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on May 12, 2010, 08:08:59 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 12, 2010, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 12, 2010, 12:51:39 PM
this thread used to have a pretty good level of scandal, debate and craic.....only i am addicted to the fkn thing i keep logging in! but for why, to read a load of shite from hoganstand converts

>:(

my team for Donegal
1. B McVeigh
2.K McKernan
3. B McArdle
4. D Rafferty
5. A Carr
6. J Colgan
&. C Garvey
8. K King
9. D Gordan
10. D Hughes
11. M Clarke
12.P McComiskey
13. R Murtagh
14. J Clarke
15. B Coulter
This is probably the team James will pick but Danny Hughes and Ronan Murtagh would not be on my starting 15. I would have Maginn and Carr as the two half-forwards and Timmy Hanna in the half-back line.All this assumes Ambrose is out - any news ?

Timmy Hanna has been cut off the panel so he wont feature. Carr is also extremly doubtful through injury and likely will not have enough game time behind him to be condidered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 12, 2010, 09:10:16 PM
Division one Result

Castlewellan 0-14 Longstone 2-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on May 12, 2010, 09:48:07 PM
to dundrumite.the drums are drumgath whatwould glen have to fear from dundrum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on May 12, 2010, 10:44:09 PM
any word on Luke Howard? is he still injured.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on May 12, 2010, 11:02:30 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 12, 2010, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on May 12, 2010, 08:08:59 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 12, 2010, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 12, 2010, 12:51:39 PM
this thread used to have a pretty good level of scandal, debate and craic.....only i am addicted to the fkn thing i keep logging in! but for why, to read a load of shite from hoganstand converts

>:(

my team for Donegal
1. B McVeigh
2.K McKernan
3. B McArdle
4. D Rafferty
5. A Carr
6. J Colgan
&. C Garvey
8. K King
9. D Gordan
10. D Hughes
11. M Clarke
12.P McComiskey
13. R Murtagh
14. J Clarke
15. B Coulter
This is probably the team James will pick but Danny Hughes and Ronan Murtagh would not be on my starting 15. I would have Maginn and Carr as the two half-forwards and Timmy Hanna in the half-back line.All this assumes Ambrose is out - any news ?

Timmy Hanna has been cut off the panel so he wont feature. Carr is also extremly doubtful through injury and likely will not have enough game time behind him to be condidered.

I wouldnt play Paul McC at half forward, though he has to be a cert for the FF line along side John C and Benny. Danny Hughes (who I have always rated as a half forward) is a difficult one, he is a real work horse and covers a lot of ground throughout games, but can be prone to making the wrong decision in the final third of the field. In spite of this I would still give him the nod, as he is generally good for a point or two. I think Maginn's performance in the Div 2 final should not be allowed to disguise the fact that he is worth a starting place against Donegal, as many of our players also had a poor day at the office. Ambrose fit would of course be a major boost.
Title: Re: where did it all go wrong
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 12, 2010, 11:08:20 PM
T O'Hare's team for Donegal
1. B McVeigh
2.K McKernan
3. B McArdle
4. D Rafferty
5. A Carr
6. J Colgan
&. C Garvey
8. K King
9. D Gordan
10. D Hughes
11. M Clarke
12.P McComiskey
13. R Murtagh
14. J Clarke
15. B Coulter
[/quote]

Garvey might be better suited to corner back than McKernan, but we are running out of defenders. If it is correct that both Hanna and Murphy have left the squad, and Rafferty, McArdle and Carr are struggling with new injuries, then, with McCartan suspended, and the likes of Doyle, Howard, Rooney and McGovern recovering from long-term setbacks, our resources at the back are going to be very stretched.

Ambrose must be unlikely to start in Ballybofey, so the midfield picks itself, and at least we have plenty of options up front. Hughes has been poor of late, and apart from one fine point did very little right at Croke Park, so he might be better coming off the bench. Poland (if fit) and Maginn could join Marty Clarke in the half forward line, and our best FF fline is still probably McComiskey, John Clarke and Benny.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 13, 2010, 12:51:43 AM
Quote from: lucan on May 12, 2010, 09:48:07 PM
to dundrumite.the drums are drumgath whatwould glen have to fear from dundrum.

Of course, how foolish of me  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on May 13, 2010, 12:55:16 AM
anybody in the know aware if the club championship draws are bein made the day/night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 13, 2010, 12:59:52 AM
Think he made his return to action with the Ford as a sub last weekend, be too soon to be Inter county match fit in just three weeks. Major concern all these injuries and suspensions to the defence, especially one that had built up a good relationship over the course of the National league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on May 13, 2010, 10:43:42 AM
Think Darren O'hagan from Clonduff could be a surprise inclusion in the line up for the game with Donegal.  If not starting definetly a sub.  Has been playing great stuff this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on May 13, 2010, 03:58:25 PM
Luke back training with club and county also played a few minutes as sub for Ford. Progressing well but probably not just ready for the cut and thrust of championship football just yet. Definitely would be worth a place on bench against Donegal as good cover. Timmy Hanna also has withdrawn from panel, injury not healing and needs rest and recovery. So the county is in need of some cover and will maybe have to bring in new/old blood. Would Stevie Toner be worth introducing back to panel as he is playing well for the Ford. Any other considerations?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on May 13, 2010, 04:41:02 PM
Any games being played tonight? I know annaclone Ballymartin is but a bit of a trek
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: batman on May 13, 2010, 09:43:02 PM
Team for Donegal
1. B McVeigh
2. D Rooney
3. B McCardle
4. D Rafferty
5. C Garvey
6. J Colgan
7. K McKernan
8. A Rodgers
9. K King
10. C Maginn
11. M Clarke
12. D Hughes
13. P McComiskey
14. J Clarke
15. B Clarke
If the full back line does not recover can see garvey being dropped back. If Ambrose doesnt start I would presume Gordan would
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 13, 2010, 11:11:14 PM
All Monday nights games have been postponed to later on in the season according to the CCC at the request of County Minor and Senior management.

Ballymartin beat Annaclone by 3 tonight in Div 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 14, 2010, 02:49:37 AM
All these defenders injured, makes for a desperate situation going into championship, i am wondering if the training schedule could be a contributory factor, especially so early in year when lads are still turning out for their clubs and presumably training with them as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 14, 2010, 12:12:11 PM
monday night games called off - down play dublin on sunday at 12, not sure where i hear
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on May 14, 2010, 01:27:08 PM
Am i right in saying that as the championship draws have not yet been made neirther has a weekend been given as for the first round?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on May 14, 2010, 03:38:26 PM
Does anyone know when the Senior, Intermediate and Junior Hurling Championship draws are made?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on May 14, 2010, 08:53:59 PM
Result
Drumaness 0-6
Glenn 2-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 14, 2010, 09:14:36 PM
Division 1

Clonduff 0-13 Byansford 0-11
Burren and Kingdom drew.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 14, 2010, 09:16:22 PM
Dundrum easily beat an Ardglass team that was severely weakened due to a soccer final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 14, 2010, 09:18:23 PM
Harps made hard work to beat a very plucky Tullylish team 1-15 to 2-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 14, 2010, 09:22:59 PM
ACFL Division 2

Shamrocks  0-15 0-9 Downpatrick  Shamrocks Round 8 
Loughinisland  2-18 0-10 Kilclief  Loughinisland Round 8 
Ballymartin  2-11 1-11 Annaclone  Ballymartin Round 8 

ACFL Division 3
 
Dundrum  2-26 1-2 Ardglass  Dundrum Round 8 
Darragh Cross  0-11 2-9 Glasdrumman  Darragh Cross Round 8 
St Johns  0-8 1-7 St John Bosco  St Johns Round 8 
Drumaness  2-7 0-6 Glenn  Drumaness Round 8 
Carryduff  0-11 1-6 Bredagh  Carryduff Round 8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on May 14, 2010, 09:25:29 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 14, 2010, 09:22:59 PM
ACFL Division 2

Shamrocks  0-15 0-9 Downpatrick  Shamrocks Round 8 
Loughinisland  2-18 0-10 Kilclief  Loughinisland Round 8 
Ballymartin  2-11 1-11 Annaclone  Ballymartin Round 8 

ACFL Division 3
 
Dundrum  2-26 1-2 Ardglass  Dundrum Round 8 
Darragh Cross  0-11 2-9 Glasdrumman  Darragh Cross Round 8 
St Johns  0-8 1-7 St John Bosco  St Johns Round 8 
Drumaness  2-7 0-6 Glenn  Drumaness Round 8 
Carryduff  0-11 1-6 Bredagh  Carryduff Round 8

Glenn result is the other way round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 14, 2010, 09:38:13 PM
Quote from: John Martin on May 14, 2010, 09:25:29 PM
Drumaness  2-7 0-6 Glenn  Drumaness Round 8 
Glenn result is the other way round.

Who won, Glenn or Drumanness?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on May 14, 2010, 09:42:31 PM
Glenn won 2-7 to 6 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 14, 2010, 09:49:12 PM
Quote from: John Martin on May 14, 2010, 09:42:31 PM
Glenn won 2-7 to 6 points.

Cheers for that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on May 14, 2010, 11:15:30 PM
Saul 1-10 Drumgath 0-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 15, 2010, 06:42:56 PM
Division 1 Result

Mayobridge  3-16 Liatroim 0-15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on May 16, 2010, 05:00:41 PM
ACPRL 1
Saval 2-04  Castlewellan 3-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on May 16, 2010, 08:21:35 PM
poor enough match today for the first game in the ulster c'ship.Both teams frustrated with some of the hand pass calls from the ref,and he awarded some very soft frees for minimun contact. The football was not what we'd hope for from two of the supposed contenders in Ulster.The best team did win, POR got his retaliation in first ahead of Monday's papers who probably won't be impressed with what we saw.Down do have more time to work on the hand-pass as anything that looks remotely dodgy will be blown up and in defence this would cost dearly against Donegal in two weeks time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on May 16, 2010, 11:18:49 PM
Quote from: 13aside on May 16, 2010, 08:21:35 PM
poor enough match today for the first game in the ulster c'ship.Both teams frustrated with some of the hand pass calls from the ref,and he awarded some very soft frees for minimun contact. The football was not what we'd hope for from two of the supposed contenders in Ulster.The best team did win, POR got his retaliation in first ahead of Monday's papers who probably won't be impressed with what we saw.Down do have more time to work on the hand-pass as anything that looks remotely dodgy will be blown up and in defence this would cost dearly against Donegal in two weeks time.
it was a scrappy enough game alright and the best team won, I think Armagh are going to be hard to beat in Ulster,I can see them getting to an Ulster Final. I thought they were physically stronger than Derry, and have a bit of quality on the bench
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 17, 2010, 10:11:27 AM
how did the friendly with Dublin go on Sunday???

See Div2 is very tight - also any idea why the fixtures were changed for this weekend??

League table for ACFL Division 2
Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Loughinisland  7 5 2 0 112 80 32 10
Saval  7 4 2 1 108 80 28 9
Clann na Banna  7 4 2 1 97 80 17 9
Ballyholland  7 4 2 1 85 73 12 9
Downpatrick  7 4 3 0 78 71 7 8
Ballymartin  7 4 3 0 104 104 0 8
Shamrocks  7 4 3 0 86 87 -1 8
Warrenpoint  7 3 3 1 86 82 4 7
Tullylish  7 3 4 0 100 95 5 6
Annaclone  7 3 4 0 77 95 -18 6
Atticall  7 0 5 2 61 98 -37 2
Kilclief  7 1 6 0 82 131 -49 2

Updated: 15 May 2010
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 17, 2010, 10:40:07 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on May 14, 2010, 01:27:08 PM
Am i right in saying that as the championship draws have not yet been made neirther has a weekend been given as for the first round?

Just checked the Master Fixture List TG and it seems the first round for championships are fixed for Thursday 5th, Friday 6th, Saturday 7th, Sunday 8th, Monday 9th Aug
Then next round 26-30th Aug, then Sept 10, 11, 12th, Senior Football Championship final scheduled for 3rd October
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on May 17, 2010, 10:54:23 AM
Thanks Goldenyears- I appreciate it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on May 17, 2010, 11:56:36 AM
Has June 6th been set aside for the 1st rd of the Reserve Championships? Surely the Co.Board could go ahead and make the draw for this competition without the new sponsors being in place???
Quote from: goldenyears on May 17, 2010, 10:40:07 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on May 14, 2010, 01:27:08 PM
Am i right in saying that as the championship draws have not yet been made neirther has a weekend been given as for the first round?

Just checked the Master Fixture List TG and it seems the first round for championships are fixed for Thursday 5th, Friday 6th, Saturday 7th, Sunday 8th, Monday 9th Aug
Then next round 26-30th Aug, then Sept 10, 11, 12th, Senior Football Championship final scheduled for 3rd October
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 17, 2010, 09:16:55 PM
Div one. Rostrevor 2.9 Kilcoo  0.18
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 17, 2010, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: umpire on May 17, 2010, 09:16:55 PM
Div one. Rostrevor 1.9 Kilcoo  0.18

Rostrevor scored 2-9. Very entertaining game with Barry Kane and Paul Devlin kicking 7 points each to send Kilcoo to second in the table.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 17, 2010, 10:18:10 PM
Quote from: umpire on May 17, 2010, 09:16:55 PM
Div one. Rostrevor 2.9 Kilcoo  0.18

I have wrongly printed Rostrevor scored 1.9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 18, 2010, 09:18:57 AM
MDG - Is Kilcoo's pitch open or where are you playing your games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 18, 2010, 10:00:02 AM
Quote from: amallon on May 18, 2010, 09:18:57 AM
MDG - Is Kilcoo's pitch open or where are you playing your games?

Our main pitch is currently closed as its been lengthened and widened. Our new pitch is not far away at present. We are playing all our games away this season with the possibility of maybe a few home games at the latter part of the season if either pitch is ready for matchs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Master Yoda on May 18, 2010, 03:58:17 PM
Who is the top minor teams in Down this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on May 18, 2010, 04:02:42 PM
Kilcoo, Glenn and Ballyholland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 18, 2010, 04:51:20 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on May 18, 2010, 04:02:42 PM
Kilcoo, Glenn and Ballyholland.

I would not say the harps would be overly strong, Kilcoo, Burren, Glenn are very strong!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Orior on May 18, 2010, 09:06:12 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on May 18, 2010, 04:02:42 PM
Kilcoo, Glenn and Ballyholland.

For many years Glenn stole players from Poyntzpass and other surrounding areas. Good to see that they're producing their own now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: IanDowie on May 18, 2010, 10:21:41 PM
Quote from: Master Yoda on May 18, 2010, 03:58:17 PM
Who is the top minor teams in Down this year?

Not sure Yoda, think Kilcoo are strong. A few fellas from the Newry Hogan cup winning team, two Johnston brothers, could be wrong though. As for Armagh, Cross, Pearse Og and Armagh Harps are all strong.

Hows the minor stuff going around your parts? Can't be as bad as the seniors I hope? :P Just carrying on. :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 19, 2010, 03:33:50 PM
Some good news!!!!!

Rogers hoping to play against Donegal

Down's Ambrose Rogers
19 May 2010


Ambrose Rogers is keeping his fingers crossed that he will be able to play some part in Down's Ulster SFC opener against Donegal on Sunday week.

The midfielder suffered a stress fracture in his foot prior to last month's NFL Division 2 final against Armagh and, despite having an air-cast removed at the weekend, is resigned to not starting the Ballybofey tie. However, he still hopes to see some action.

"I had a sore foot there for a few weeks but I got the cast off," he told the Irish Daily Mirror.

"It's still touch and go but I'm playing to play some part in Ballybofey. If I can get a decent week's training over me, then I'm not going to rule myself out. I'd still like to put my name in for contention to play."

Rogers had been out of action for almost a year after having his spleen removed before making a successful return to the Down colours in this year's league campaign.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on May 19, 2010, 08:00:50 PM
Ambrose has been the best player I have seen in all the games ( 10 including games not involving Down) I have seen this year.Until he received the terrible injury, his best game was in the drawn game in Omagh in 2008 SFC. Coming on as a sub, a wise man in our company said he was our best defender, midfielder and forward that day, and he was right .Funnily enough, he has not impressed me as much when he plays for the Stone- no disrespect , but I think he plays better with better players around him.You could really see that in Mullingar, when his link play with Benny and John Clarke was exceptional ( as well, to be fair, with Mark Poland).He also thinks on the same wavelength as Marty Clarke- knows when to make the run, knows when to hold, knows when to hit long, knows when to retain possession.He has some similar traits as his flawed genius of a father but beyond the name, the comparisons should end, as he is his own man.I think the Mirror story is hype unfortunately - would love to see him in Ballybofey but it may be a week too early.However, I am confident that before the summer is over, he will get the national recognition he deserves and fair play to James for making him captain.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 19, 2010, 09:30:40 PM
Ambrose is a gem of a footballer, even if his injuries and our general lack of success mean that his ability is largely unrecognised outside Down. His chances of featuring in Ballybofey must be very slim, but we at least still have a potentially decent midfield in Dan and big King. The huge problem is still the defence, with McCartan suspended, McArdle struggling for fitness and Rafferty looking doubtful. Our list of other injured defenders includes Duffin, Brannigan and Carr (all definitely out apparently), with Howard and Doyle some distance from a return. It looks as though we may be handing out a couple of championship debuts at the back, which is hardly ideal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on May 19, 2010, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 19, 2010, 09:30:40 PM
Ambrose is a gem of a footballer, even if his injuries and our general lack of success mean that his ability is largely unrecognised outside Down. His chances of featuring in Ballybofey must be very slim, but we at least still have a potentially decent midfield in Dan and big King. The huge problem is still the defence, with McCartan suspended, McArdle struggling for fitness and Rafferty looking doubtful. Our list of other injured defenders includes Duffin, Brannigan and Carr (all definitely out apparently), with Howard and Doyle some distance from a return. It looks as though we may be handing out a couple of championship debuts at the back, which is hardly ideal.
I could see James having to drop some of our bigger names back into defence and may be giving  starts to some other lads he has brought into the panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 20, 2010, 03:32:44 AM
I expect to see Dan Gordon starting at CFB
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on May 20, 2010, 11:03:29 AM
Quote from: Wee Shea on May 20, 2010, 10:36:41 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on May 20, 2010, 03:32:44 AM
I expect to see Dan Gordon starting at CFB

Centre Forward Back?
Is there a teachers strike in Lurgan today or something?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 20, 2010, 11:24:54 AM
Quote from: Wee Shea on May 20, 2010, 10:36:41 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on May 20, 2010, 03:32:44 AM
I expect to see Dan Gordon starting at CFB

Centre Forward Back?

Full... Fitting word for that post   :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 20, 2010, 04:22:20 PM
A Chara
The Down v Donegal game on 30th May is NOT an All Ticket Fixture.

There are though a limited number of Stand Tickets available to Clubs, these will be priced as follows

Adult £23.00 Covered Stand
Adult £21.00 Open Stand
Family Open Stand Only Adult £21.00 Child £5.00 OAPS Open Stand Only £13.00

The Terrace Prices are £13.00 Adult, OAP £9.00 and Under 16s are Free to the Terrace, this is only payable at the turnstiles.

Clubs are requested to place their orders for Stand Tickets with me by 10.00am on Monday Morning, we will then take stock of all of the orders and inform Clubs of their allocation. It is important to know that we will try our best to meet Club Orders for Stand Tickets but we cannot gaurantee this.

If no order is received by 10.00 am on Monday then it will be deemed that your Club will not require any stand Tickets and that is understandable  as your members may just wish to go to the Terraces.

Seán Óg Mac an tSaoir

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 20, 2010, 07:00:51 PM
Centre Full Back you idiot, or does that position not exist in Soccer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on May 20, 2010, 07:06:57 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on May 20, 2010, 07:00:51 PM
Centre Full Back you idiot, or does that position not exist in Soccer
good one :D there is a lot of typing going on before the thinking
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on May 20, 2010, 08:34:43 PM
When are the Championship draws due to be made?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on May 20, 2010, 09:59:41 PM
I hear some of the players on the County panel will be playing for their clubs tomorrow night. Do we know who is starred and who is not and can the county management make allowances?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on May 20, 2010, 11:26:47 PM
Centre full back is not a position that exists in gaelic football to me, if you are referring to number 3 position.
Thats called full back, end of.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 20, 2010, 11:27:32 PM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on May 20, 2010, 09:59:41 PM
I hear some of the players on the County panel will be playing for their clubs tomorrow night. Do we know who is starred and who is not and can the county management make allowances?

Liam Lennon Castlewellan
Ronan Sexton Mayobridge
Mark Doran Longstone
Ciaran McGovern Burren
Brendan McArdle Annaclone
Ronan Murtagh Ballyholland
Declan Alder Carryduff

All available to play tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on May 21, 2010, 09:28:24 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 20, 2010, 11:27:32 PM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on May 20, 2010, 09:59:41 PM
I hear some of the players on the County panel will be playing for their clubs tomorrow night. Do we know who is starred and who is not and can the county management make allowances?

Liam Lennon Castlewellan
Ronan Sexton Mayobridge
Mark Doran Longstone
Ciaran McGovern Burren
Brendan McArdle Annaclone
Ronan Murtagh Ballyholland
Declan Alder Carryduff

All available to play tomorrow night.

Is Daniel McCartan not allowed to play as well as he won't be featuring in Ballybofey??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 21, 2010, 09:42:15 AM
Dan would have got a category one for stamping, an all out ban to include handball, rounders and camogie.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on May 21, 2010, 10:44:41 AM
Well Dan may still be available for ladies football as its not on your list. From boxing to stamping to ladies football all in a few months.  ;D. On a serious note though how can some county players be free and others not, i'm sure the other clubs would like their players tonight? A competitive match would be better that a splinter picked up on the subs bench?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 21, 2010, 09:03:03 PM
GlassD 1-13 Bredagh 1-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on May 21, 2010, 09:14:12 PM
Castlewellan 0.15
Mayobridge 1.14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 21, 2010, 09:25:43 PM
Ballyholland 0.20
loughinisland 1.07

Murtagh got 9 or 10. Superb performance from the Harps.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 21, 2010, 09:30:04 PM
Down ACFL Division 3

Dundrum 0-15  Drumaness 0-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 21, 2010, 09:31:21 PM
ACFL Division 1
   
Rostrevor  1-15 1-12 Liatroim  Rostrevor Round 8 

ACFL Division 2
   
Atticall  0-11 0-11 Ballymartin  Atticall Round 10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 21, 2010, 09:35:54 PM
Ardglass  0-8 0-9 Saul
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on May 21, 2010, 09:37:11 PM
Downpatrick bt Annaclone by 4 or 5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 21, 2010, 10:01:44 PM
Drumgath  2-8 0-12 Glenn  Drumgath Round 10 
Ardglass  0-8 0-9 Saul  Ardglass Round 10 
St Johns  0-12 1-9 Carryduff  St Johns Round 10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on May 22, 2010, 12:46:57 AM
t/lish 3-13 w/point 1-17

the blues slipping and sliding into the bottom 4

wasnt at the game and cant comment but that's a bad defeat for us even away from home. not to many teams are going to lose after putting 20 on the board but we can!!!!

the blues have lost against 3 of the big boys - saval, b/martin & b/holland and picked up wins at d/patrick attical & home to annaclone and gave away a point against banna leading by 6 with 7 min to go.

The point are finding it tough enough this year and have to play island shamrocks & kilclief to round off the first half of the season. all 6 points are needed or we could find ourselves being dragged into a dogfight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 22, 2010, 11:56:51 AM
Did anybody else get an E Mail from the Loughinisland lad who's stuck in Nigeria? I couldn't afford a grand but I sent him £200 to help him out. I haven't heard if he's home yet. Does anybody know him?

Here's the E Mail.

I need your help urgently
...
From:   
Island Blue <loughinislandgac@hotmail.co.uk>
...
Add to Contacts
To:   Island Blue <loughinislandgac@hotmail.co.uk>   

Hello,
How are you doing today?.I am really sorry to bother you with this email but i just want you to know what i am facing right now. I am sorry I didn't inform you about my traveling to west africa for a Seminar,i am presently in nigeria now but unfortunately for me i lost my wallet which contains my money and other valuable things in a taxi.I can easily access the internet for now but i am not here with my mobile phone.I want you to assist me urgently with a loan of 1000Pounds to sort-out my hotel bills and to get myself back home. I have spoken to the embassy here but they are not responding to the matter effectively,i promise i will pay you back as soon as i return.Kindly let me know if you can be of help so that i can send you the details you will use to send the money to me here in Nigeria.

Your reply will be greatly appreciated.
Peter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on May 22, 2010, 12:48:59 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 22, 2010, 11:56:51 AM
Did anybody else get an E Mail from the Loughinisland lad who's stuck in Nigeria? I couldn't afford a grand but I sent him £200 to help him out. I haven't heard if he's home yet. Does anybody know him?

Here's the E Mail.

I need your help urgently
...
From:   
Island Blue <loughinislandgac@hotmail.co.uk>
...
Add to Contacts
To:   Island Blue <loughinislandgac@hotmail.co.uk>   

Hello,
How are you doing today?.I am really sorry to bother you with this email but i just want you to know what i am facing right now. I am sorry I didn't inform you about my traveling to west africa for a Seminar,i am presently in nigeria now but unfortunately for me i lost my wallet which contains my money and other valuable things in a taxi.I can easily access the internet for now but i am not here with my mobile phone.I want you to assist me urgently with a loan of 1000Pounds to sort-out my hotel bills and to get myself back home. I have spoken to the embassy here but they are not responding to the matter effectively,i promise i will pay you back as soon as i return.Kindly let me know if you can be of help so that i can send you the details you will use to send the money to me here in Nigeria.

Your reply will be greatly appreciated.
Peter

Yes we sort of know him. A conman from Nigeria that forced us to change our emailing list.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on May 22, 2010, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: True Blue on May 22, 2010, 12:46:57 AM
t/lish 3-13 w/point 1-17

the blues slipping and sliding into the bottom 4

wasnt at the game and cant comment but that's a bad defeat for us even away from home. not to many teams are going to lose after putting 20 on the board but we can!!!!

the blues have lost against 3 of the big boys - saval, b/martin & b/holland and picked up wins at d/patrick attical & home to annaclone and gave away a point against banna leading by 6 with 7 min to go.

The point are finding it tough enough this year and have to play island shamrocks & kilclief to round off the first half of the season. all 6 points are needed or we could find ourselves being dragged into a dogfight

was at the game, good entertaining game to watch. could have went either way with about 10 minutes left but tullylish wanted it more and scored a good goal to pull away at the end.

as a neutral i thought the ref had a good game, let the game go a bit and wasnt too fussy. players were allowed to get on with playing which allowed for an entertaining game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catchit on May 22, 2010, 01:55:18 PM
The referee was good, never let the new rules become a focal point of the game, which is the way they were intended. Warrenpoint missed quite a few scoreable opportunities, but it was Tullylishs ability to create goal chances that was the deciding figure. W, point also rely too heavily on john Boyle who didn't really perform. McAreavey again the main threat for Tullylish, scoring about 8 and setting up two goals. Still very tight in div 2!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 22, 2010, 02:09:34 PM
Folks can anyone tell me what players left Aghaderg in the close season and where did they go to.
Heard they lost 4.
Im exiled in atha Cliath so its hard to keep up to date. Cheers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 22, 2010, 02:13:55 PM
I was sifting through some newspapers cutouts and old programmes during the week and came across a few things... In the 1992 under 12 county final we played Byransford were a Fintan McGreevey was number 12!!! And when we won the minor championship in 1999 the newspapers also had report from a minor league div 2 final were Aghaderg won easily... They had 6 differnt scorers that day and of the six scorers i believe five have transfered themselves away from the club!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 22, 2010, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 22, 2010, 02:13:55 PM
I was sifting through some newspapers cutouts and old programmes during the week and came across a few things... In the 1992 under 12 county final we played Byransford were a Fintan McGreevey was number 12!!! And when we won the minor championship in 1999 the newspapers also had report from a minor league div 2 final were Aghaderg won easily... They had 6 differnt scorers that day and of the six scorers i believe five have transfered themselves away from the club!!!!!!!

Think that was an Annaclone/Aghaderg amalgamated team Thomas.

Finbarr Rice used to play for the Ford too before he went to the Town. Didnt realise McGreevy played for them too.

The Derg have been hit hard by boys leaving. Colm and Martin Farrell, John McAreavey and Chris McGovern were all Derg men before they parted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on May 22, 2010, 07:44:09 PM
Tom unfortunately for the Ford the list is much longer than the Finty and Finbar ;) Stevie Trainor also played for us before moving at U-14 I think, his Uncle "Shovels" also transferred to Loughinisland in the mid 80's and low and behold he was MOTM in the county final where the blues beat none other than the Ford. Simon Poland and Simon Gribben of course add to the migration up the road, which had its own bad publicity as at that time the Town also managed to get the signature of Gregory McCartan. More recently the 2 young Dorans have signed for the Town having previously played underage for the Ford and a young Newcastle girl, still living in Newcastle is also now plying her trade for the Town u-14's and 16's in football and camogie. I think i'll stop there as its worth pointing out Dundrum, the Fin and Glassdrumman have Newcastle and thus ex Ford players... Mc Elroy, Trainor, Doran, Walker, Small, Smith and well that will do for now. So we at the Ford are not only producing great footballers for our senior teams and ofcourse the various County teams in both mens and ladies teams but we are helping our neighbouring clubs by supplying various players at various stages of developement, some the finished article, some still learning but basically feeding them well with the Town being the main beneficiary. ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on May 23, 2010, 08:21:59 AM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on May 22, 2010, 07:44:09 PM
Tom unfortunately for the Ford the list is much longer than the Finty and Finbar ;) Stevie Trainor also played for us before moving at U-14 I think, his Uncle "Shovels" also transferred to Loughinisland in the mid 80's and low and behold he was MOTM in the county final where the blues beat none other than the Ford. Simon Poland and Simon Gribben of course add to the migration up the road, which had its own bad publicity as at that time the Town also managed to get the signature of Gregory McCartan. More recently the 2 young Dorans have signed for the Town having previously played underage for the Ford and a young Newcastle girl, still living in Newcastle is also now plying her trade for the Town u-14's and 16's in football and camogie. I think i'll stop there as its worth pointing out Dundrum, the Fin and Glassdrumman have Newcastle and thus ex Ford players... Mc Elroy, Trainor, Doran, Walker, Small, Smith and well that will do for now. So we at the Ford are not only producing great footballers for our senior teams and ofcourse the various County teams in both mens and ladies teams but we are helping our neighbouring clubs by supplying various players at various stages of developement, some the finished article, some still learning but basically feeding them well with the Town being the main beneficiary. ::)
Castlewellan did not want either Gribben or Poland but allowed them to join as the policy in the club at the time was to accept anyone who wanted to join us and let anyone leave who wanted to leave us. We were glad to see the back of them when they went back down the road as they never really wanted to play for us in the first place.  Finty McGreevy, Gregory McCartan and Finbar Rice all moved to Castlewellan while Stevie trainer has always lived in the parish and should never have gone to the Ford.  Bryansford can't act all holier than thou as they have had their fair share of blow-ins over the years, as have just about every club in the county (with the possible exception of Kilcoo).
There are several ex-town players now with the Fin including 3 who played senior football for us so it works both ways.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 23, 2010, 11:53:47 AM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on May 22, 2010, 07:44:09 PM
Tom unfortunately for the Ford the list is much longer than the Finty and Finbar ;) Stevie Trainor also played for us before moving at U-14 I think, his Uncle "Shovels" also transferred to Loughinisland in the mid 80's and low and behold he was MOTM in the county final where the blues beat none other than the Ford. Simon Poland and Simon Gribben of course add to the migration up the road, which had its own bad publicity as at that time the Town also managed to get the signature of Gregory McCartan. More recently the 2 young Dorans have signed for the Town having previously played underage for the Ford and a young Newcastle girl, still living in Newcastle is also now plying her trade for the Town u-14's and 16's in football and camogie. I think i'll stop there as its worth pointing out Dundrum, the Fin and Glassdrumman have Newcastle and thus ex Ford players... Mc Elroy, Trainor, Doran, Walker, Small, Smith and well that will do for now. So we at the Ford are not only producing great footballers for our senior teams and ofcourse the various County teams in both mens and ladies teams but we are helping our neighbouring clubs by supplying various players at various stages of developement, some the finished article, some still learning but basically feeding them well with the Town being the main beneficiary. ::)

Thank you so much. Lets hope the conveyor belt of talent to neighbouring clubs never stops  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down South on May 23, 2010, 12:22:07 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on May 23, 2010, 08:21:59 AM
as have just about every club in the county (with the possible exception of Kilcoo).

Thats understandable, who in their right mind would move to Kilcoo?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on May 23, 2010, 01:56:59 PM
Well I suppose it does work both ways and we in the larger Towns can't play everyone particularly at underage. We have and had many instances of young guys and girls living in Newcastle but playing for neighbouring clubs including the Owens (3-Liatroim), the Kellys (3-Kilcoo) Rooneys (2-Dundrum). Put them all together and we'd definitley beat the Fin  ::). Yet mention of anyone coming our way for whatever reason and the dummies are sput out! McComiskey being a prime example. Surely Down would benefit from him playing at a much higher club level and of course the Ford and the player himself would benefit. From the  previous post its clear other local clubs including Dundrum are benefiting from the surplus players not quite able to make at at Senior level and I didn't mention King or Murphy who have and will play for Dundrum :-\ . The list is not endless but is significant and we in the Ford are not complaining we just are doing our best to provide a reasonable standard of coaching and matchs that is befitting the Gaa in the county. Of course the Town are now feeling the effects of player migration to the mighty Fin. Sad to see the break up of that good minor team of a few years ago but thats what we in the Ford have been living with for many years and all you can do is keep trying to provide the best that you can and hope the players buy into :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on May 23, 2010, 04:31:11 PM
Quote
Posted by: Wind yer neck in 
Well I suppose it does work both ways and we in the larger Towns can't play everyone particularly at underage. We have and had many instances of young guys and girls living in Newcastle but playing for neighbouring clubs including the Owens (3-Liatroim), the Kellys (3-Kilcoo) Rooneys (2-Dundrum). Put them all together and we'd definitley beat the Fin  . Yet mention of anyone coming our way for whatever reason and the dummies are sput out! McComiskey being a prime example. Surely Down would benefit from him playing at a much higher club level and of course the Ford and the player himself would benefit. From the  previous post its clear other local clubs including Dundrum are benefiting from the surplus players not quite able to make at at Senior level and I didn't mention King or Murphy who have and will play for Dundrum  . The list is not endless but is significant and we in the Ford are not complaining we just are doing our best to provide a reasonable standard of coaching and matchs that is befitting the Gaa in the county. Of course the Town are now feeling the effects of player migration to the mighty Fin. Sad to see the break up of that good minor team of a few years ago but thats what we in the Ford have been living with for many years and all you can do is keep trying to provide the best that you can and hope the players buy into 
i dont think ive ever read as much Sh*t in my entire life
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 23, 2010, 09:27:06 PM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on May 23, 2010, 01:56:59 PM
Well I suppose it does work both ways and we in the larger Towns can't play everyone particularly at underage. We have and had many instances of young guys and girls living in Newcastle but playing for neighbouring clubs including the Owens (3-Liatroim), the Kellys (3-Kilcoo) Rooneys (2-Dundrum). Put them all together and we'd definitley beat the Fin  ::). Yet mention of anyone coming our way for whatever reason and the dummies are sput out! McComiskey being a prime example. Surely Down would benefit from him playing at a much higher club level and of course the Ford and the player himself would benefit. From the  previous post its clear other local clubs including Dundrum are benefiting from the surplus players not quite able to make at at Senior level and I didn't mention King or Murphy who have and will play for Dundrum :-\ . The list is not endless but is significant and we in the Ford are not complaining we just are doing our best to provide a reasonable standard of coaching and matchs that is befitting the Gaa in the county. Of course the Town are now feeling the effects of player migration to the mighty Fin. Sad to see the break up of that good minor team of a few years ago but thats what we in the Ford have been living with for many years and all you can do is keep trying to provide the best that you can and hope the players buy into :-X

The Owens are Liatroim through and through and have to my knowledge never played for Ford so what relevance is that to your post?

Also the Kelly's father is from Kilcoo.

Why drag the Finn into your arrogant ball of crap?

Kilcoo are doing alright with their surplus of senior players, winnig seconds and thirds leagues last year. You might want to ask yourself how come Kilcoo can keep their surplus and you lose yours??????

For more like minded people you may want to check this link out. http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ForumPage.aspx

Now if you will, let the adults have sensible debates on this forum. I dread to read the sh@@e on this page when the schools are closed for the summer.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on May 23, 2010, 10:53:15 PM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on May 23, 2010, 01:56:59 PM
Well I suppose it does work both ways and we in the larger Towns can't play everyone particularly at underage. We have and had many instances of young guys and girls living in Newcastle but playing for neighbouring clubs including the Owens (3-Liatroim), the Kellys (3-Kilcoo) Rooneys (2-Dundrum). Put them all together and we'd definitley beat the Fin  ::). Yet mention of anyone coming our way for whatever reason and the dummies are sput out! McComiskey being a prime example. Surely Down would benefit from him playing at a much higher club level and of course the Ford and the player himself would benefit. From the  previous post its clear other local clubs including Dundrum are benefiting from the surplus players not quite able to make at at Senior level and I didn't mention King or Murphy who have and will play for Dundrum :-\ . The list is not endless but is significant and we in the Ford are not complaining we just are doing our best to provide a reasonable standard of coaching and matchs that is befitting the Gaa in the county. Of course the Town are now feeling the effects of player migration to the mighty Fin. Sad to see the break up of that good minor team of a few years ago but thats what we in the Ford have been living with for many years and all you can do is keep trying to provide the best that you can and hope the players buy into :-X

Just because your born in a stable doesn't mean that you are a horse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Jimmyjimson on May 24, 2010, 12:18:33 PM
Lads, who was the A Clarke who came on for Down in the Christy Ring against Westmeath on Saturday ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on May 24, 2010, 12:27:15 PM
I knew you would "Chow the ballicks off me", but all I was saying in response to T. O'Hare was that every club for whatever reason can let players slip through the net and some become great servants of the new club e.g. McGreevy, Trainor and Rice with the Town and some not so good. The players will find their level somewhere, whether it be the Fin or at a higher level Dundrum. Also my point on big Town clubs due to the rule of being allowed to play for the players fathers club in some instances they tend to do just that and thats why Newry, Downpatrick and Bryansford, to name a few, have alot of players living in their parishs but playing for clubs outside the parish :o. Thats all I wasn't being sanctimonious or anything like that I was only making a point of fact. All or most of the ones I mentioned played with the Ford to a certain level then left but many still remained in the parish,and thats acceptable and within the Gaa rules so no problems lets get on with it. Some response were a bit tetchy so as my pseudonym suggests.... ::) :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 24, 2010, 02:31:26 PM
i hear championship draw is being made next week - anyone confirm??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on May 24, 2010, 03:00:27 PM
Quote from: Jimmyjimson on May 24, 2010, 12:18:33 PM
Lads, who was the A Clarke who came on for Down in the Christy Ring against Westmeath on Saturday ?

Do you mean this match according to the Down GAA website  ???
"Down were overcome in the Quarter Final of the Christy Ring Cup by Mayo on a scoreline of 2.21 to 1.13."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on May 24, 2010, 04:24:54 PM
Any word on Ambrose?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 24, 2010, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: Jimmyjimson on May 24, 2010, 12:18:33 PM
Lads, who was the A Clarke who came on for Down in the Christy Ring against Westmeath on Saturday ?

Aidan Clarke from Ballycran.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 24, 2010, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on May 24, 2010, 12:27:15 PM
I knew you would "Chow the ballicks off me", but all I was saying in response to T. O'Hare was that every club for whatever reason can let players slip through the net and some become great servants of the new club e.g. McGreevy, Trainor and Rice with the Town and some not so good. The players will find their level somewhere, whether it be the Fin or at a higher level Dundrum. Also my point on big Town clubs due to the rule of being allowed to play for the players fathers club in some instances they tend to do just that and thats why Newry, Downpatrick and Bryansford, to name a few, have alot of players living in their parishs but playing for clubs outside the parish :o. Thats all I wasn't being sanctimonious or anything like that I was only making a point of fact. All or most of the ones I mentioned played with the Ford to a certain level then left but many still remained in the parish,and thats acceptable and within the Gaa rules so no problems lets get on with it. Some response were a bit tetchy so as my pseudonym suggests.... ::) :P

Fair enough.

Any word who the sponsor for the championship is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 24, 2010, 08:26:45 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on May 24, 2010, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on May 24, 2010, 12:27:15 PM
I knew you would "Chow the ballicks off me", but all I was saying in response to T. O'Hare was that every club for whatever reason can let players slip through the net and some become great servants of the new club e.g. McGreevy, Trainor and Rice with the Town and some not so good. The players will find their level somewhere, whether it be the Fin or at a higher level Dundrum. Also my point on big Town clubs due to the rule of being allowed to play for the players fathers club in some instances they tend to do just that and thats why Newry, Downpatrick and Bryansford, to name a few, have alot of players living in their parishs but playing for clubs outside the parish :o. Thats all I wasn't being sanctimonious or anything like that I was only making a point of fact. All or most of the ones I mentioned played with the Ford to a certain level then left but many still remained in the parish,and thats acceptable and within the Gaa rules so no problems lets get on with it. Some response were a bit tetchy so as my pseudonym suggests.... ::) :P

Fair enough.

Any word who the sponsor for the championship is?

I hear Morgan Fuels but unofficially.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 25, 2010, 12:55:05 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 24, 2010, 08:26:45 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on May 24, 2010, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on May 24, 2010, 12:27:15 PM
I knew you would "Chow the ballicks off me", but all I was saying in response to T. O'Hare was that every club for whatever reason can let players slip through the net and some become great servants of the new club e.g. McGreevy, Trainor and Rice with the Town and some not so good. The players will find their level somewhere, whether it be the Fin or at a higher level Dundrum. Also my point on big Town clubs due to the rule of being allowed to play for the players fathers club in some instances they tend to do just that and thats why Newry, Downpatrick and Bryansford, to name a few, have alot of players living in their parishs but playing for clubs outside the parish :o. Thats all I wasn't being sanctimonious or anything like that I was only making a point of fact. All or most of the ones I mentioned played with the Ford to a certain level then left but many still remained in the parish,and thats acceptable and within the Gaa rules so no problems lets get on with it. Some response were a bit tetchy so as my pseudonym suggests.... ::) :P

Fair enough.

Any word who the sponsor for the championship is?

I hear Morgan Fuels but unofficially.

I heard that myself!! MDG did your seconds draw v An Riocht on Sunday??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 25, 2010, 08:15:53 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 25, 2010, 12:55:05 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 24, 2010, 08:26:45 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on May 24, 2010, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on May 24, 2010, 12:27:15 PM
I knew you would "Chow the ballicks off me", but all I was saying in response to T. O'Hare was that every club for whatever reason can let players slip through the net and some become great servants of the new club e.g. McGreevy, Trainor and Rice with the Town and some not so good. The players will find their level somewhere, whether it be the Fin or at a higher level Dundrum. Also my point on big Town clubs due to the rule of being allowed to play for the players fathers club in some instances they tend to do just that and thats why Newry, Downpatrick and Bryansford, to name a few, have alot of players living in their parishs but playing for clubs outside the parish :o. Thats all I wasn't being sanctimonious or anything like that I was only making a point of fact. All or most of the ones I mentioned played with the Ford to a certain level then left but many still remained in the parish,and thats acceptable and within the Gaa rules so no problems lets get on with it. Some response were a bit tetchy so as my pseudonym suggests.... ::) :P

Fair enough.

Any word who the sponsor for the championship is?



I hear Morgan Fuels but unofficially.

I heard that myself!! MDG did your seconds draw v An Riocht on Sunday??

Yeah drew 1-4 to 0-7 in a dour game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on May 25, 2010, 11:36:15 AM
I heard it was an offshoot of Morgans Fuel!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on May 25, 2010, 11:40:31 AM
Morgans Milk would you believe  ::) is his offshoot company, I suppose its a healthy option with the ban on alcohol sponsorship. He sells it all over the South and is a growing company. :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down South on May 25, 2010, 01:20:15 PM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on May 25, 2010, 11:36:15 AM
I heard it was an offshoot of Morgans Fuel!

Stevie McDonnell is the poster boy for Morgan Milk. Will they get Stevie to make the draw?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on May 25, 2010, 01:37:55 PM
The winner will receive the milk cup!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 25, 2010, 01:42:47 PM
Draw being made on Tuesday night I hear.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 25, 2010, 09:27:12 PM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on May 25, 2010, 11:40:31 AM
Morgans Milk would you believe  ::) is his offshoot company, I suppose its a healthy option with the ban on alcohol sponsorship. He sells it all over the South and is a growing company. :D

I hope there's no red milk been sold.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 25, 2010, 09:58:30 PM
Lineups for 2010 Championships

SFC

Mayobridge
Bryansford
Kilcoo
Burren
Longstone
Rostrevor
Castlewellan
Clonduff
Liatroim
Saval
Loughinisland
Warrenpoint
An Riocht
Ballyholland
Downpatrick
Ballymartin


IFC

Kilclief
Annaclone
Atticall
Clann na Banna
Glasdrumman
Darragh Cross
Shamrocks
Carryduff
Tullylish
Glenn
Drumgath
Bredagh
Dundrum
St Johns
Ardglass
Saul


JFC

Teconnaught
St Pauls
Drumaness
Aghaderg
Bosco
St Michaels
Mitchels
Dromara
Aughlisnafin
Bright
Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 25, 2010, 10:49:56 PM
Quote from: Down South on May 25, 2010, 01:20:15 PM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on May 25, 2010, 11:36:15 AM
I heard it was an offshoot of Morgans Fuel!

Stevie McDonnell is the poster boy for Morgan Milk. Will they get Stevie to make the draw?

Things are getting quite incestuous betwen Down and Our Ma...Paddy getting the big job in the Orchard...Canal Court sponsoring the aristocrats....and then the above suggestion...what next ??...a Down/Armagh merger with Morgans funding it in an effort to get the orange men another All Ireland ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 26, 2010, 01:35:59 AM
Down Minor Football "A" Championship on Tuesday 1st June at 7-30



Round One(Outstanding games)

Noamh Colmans v Caislean Ruairi (E McCarthy), Baile Cholmain v Noamh Mhuire (B Rice)



Minor "A" Championship Round Two on Tuesday 1st June at 7-30pm
   
   

A
Noamh Eoin
   
v
Ath Bhrian
   
   
   

B
Caislean an Mhuillin
   
v
Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
   
   
   

C
Cill Darach
   
v
Seamrogai an Iuir
   
   
   

D
Boireann
   
v
An Ghlenn
   
   
   

E
Sabhall
   
v
Noamh Colmans/Caislean Ruairi
   
   
OFF

F
Cill Chua
   
v
Cluain Diamh
   
   
   

G
Ait Ti Chathail
   
v
Naomh MhuireBaile Cholmain
   
   
OFF

H
Rgu Dun Padriag
   
v
Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh
   
   
   




Minor "B" Championship Round One on Tuesday 1st June at 7-30pm
   
   

A
St Pol
   
v
Noamh Eoin Bosco
   
   
   

Minor "B" Championship Round Two on Tuesday 1st June at 7-30pm
   
   

A
A
   
V
Droichead Mhaigh Eo
   
   
OFF

B
Clan na Banna
   
v
Noamh Seosamh
   
   
   

C
Baile Ui Mhartian
   
v
An Riocht
   
   
   

D
Droim Gath
   
v
Bredach
   
   
   

E
Naomh MhuireBaile Cholmain
   
v
Droim an Easa
   
   
OFF

F
Anna Derg
   
v
Loch an Oilean
   
   
   

G
An Cloch Fhada
   
v
Ard Ghlais
   
   
   

H
Noamh Colmans/Caislean Ruairi
   
v
Sabhall (Na Padriag)
   
   
OFF



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on May 26, 2010, 02:05:28 PM
Minor championship draw looks good, with some nice match ups in the A section. Whats the predictions fellas?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on May 26, 2010, 02:17:20 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 26, 2010, 01:35:59 AM
Down Minor Football "A" Championship on Tuesday 1st June at 7-30



Round One(Outstanding games)

Noamh Colmans v Caislean Ruairi (E McCarthy), Baile Cholmain v Noamh Mhuire (B Rice)



Minor "A" Championship Round Two on Tuesday 1st June at 7-30pm
   
   

A
Noamh Eoin
   
v
Ath Bhrian
   
   
   

B
Caislean an Mhuillin
   
v
Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua
   
   
   

C
Cill Darach
   
v
Seamrogai an Iuir
   
   
   

D
Boireann
   
v
An Ghlenn
   
   
   

E
Sabhall
   
v
Noamh Colmans/Caislean Ruairi
   
   
OFF

F
Cill Chua
   
v
Cluain Diamh
   
   
   

G
Ait Ti Chathail
   
v
Naomh MhuireBaile Cholmain
   
   
OFF

H
Rgu Dun Padriag
   
v
Ceathru Aodh Dhuibh
   
   
   




Minor "B" Championship Round One on Tuesday 1st June at 7-30pm
   
   

A
St Pol
   
v
Noamh Eoin Bosco
   
   
   

Minor "B" Championship Round Two on Tuesday 1st June at 7-30pm
   
   

A
A
   
V
Droichead Mhaigh Eo
   
   
OFF

B
Clan na Banna
   
v
Noamh Seosamh
   
   
   

C
Baile Ui Mhartian
   
v
An Riocht
   
   
   

D
Droim Gath
   
v
Bredach
   
   
   

E
Naomh MhuireBaile Cholmain
   
v
Droim an Easa
   
   
OFF

F
Anna Derg
   
v
Loch an Oilean
   
   
   

G
An Cloch Fhada
   
v
Ard Ghlais
   
   
   

H
Noamh Colmans/Caislean Ruairi
   
v
Sabhall (Na Padriag)
   
   
OFF



For what its worth i'll go for the underlined teams and why are so many off?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MR GAELIC PARK on May 26, 2010, 07:27:57 PM
Just heard there great news that the two lads looking transfer requests to Annaclone were successfull. I wish them all the best with their new club and hope they have a long and successful path ahead of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 26, 2010, 07:40:26 PM
Quote from: MR GAELIC PARK on May 26, 2010, 07:27:57 PM
Just heard there great news that the two lads looking transfer requests to Annaclone were successfull. I wish them all the best with their new club and hope they have a long and successful path ahead of them.

Can i guess your club is ' West Down selection' based at Gaelic Park
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on May 27, 2010, 09:15:40 AM
Is that definite that they are through or is there a chane of appeal by Aghaderg?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on May 27, 2010, 09:54:57 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on May 27, 2010, 09:15:40 AM
Is that definite that they are through or is there a chane of appeal by Aghaderg?

Think it is definite going from a few disgruntled posts from Aghaderg men on my Faceook friend list. They aren't one bit happy.

Friend 1: What a joke down gaa is, the board giving out transfers for fun

His friend: I take that means they got them

Friend 1: Apparently so!!! A complete farce,

His friend: Yes congrats down gas board once again you show us that really you don't give a f**k about the Gaelic communities with your county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on May 27, 2010, 12:10:34 PM
Many of you boys gonna head to the Magherlin Music Festival, Thurs 17th - Sun 20th June?

http://www.magheralinmusicfestival.com/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on May 27, 2010, 01:42:12 PM
well based on this, over the last number of years, Aghaderg has lost the following players that I know off to other clubs:

Marty Burns - Drumgath
Dan & Brendy Strain - Drumgath
Chris McGovern - Tullylish
John McAreavey - Tullylish
Colm Farrell - Annaclone
Martin Farrell - Annaclone
Rory Simpson - Annaclone
Kevin Anderson - Annaclone

The 4 that moved to Annaclone & McAreavey all played for the County Minors. That's 5 in Down Minors in total and some whack of underage talent to lose....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the derg on May 27, 2010, 03:07:39 PM
well gaelic park man can i guess clonduff? no aghaderg ? no saval ? no aghaderg again? no then bosco (for now)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 27, 2010, 03:13:26 PM
Quote from: the derg on May 27, 2010, 03:07:39 PM
well gaelic park man can i guess clonduff? no aghaderg ? no saval ? no aghaderg again? no then bosco (for now)

;D ;D ;D not hard to guess with that pedigree of clubs to your name  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 27, 2010, 03:37:41 PM
That's an awful wealth of talent has departed Aghaderg over the years. But I'd have to think that positioning yourself as a hurling club does them no favours in that regard.

It couldn't be much fun being a footballer for a 4th division club that would rather push hurling along instead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on May 27, 2010, 04:01:28 PM
Sorry, that reminds me

Kevin Faloon - Bosco  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on May 27, 2010, 04:43:24 PM
While on the topic of aghaderg/ballyvarley, we were meant to play them in div 1 of the hurling league. with both teams togged out on the field, no referee showed up. dont know who was meant to do it or why they didnt show, but i bet you refs dont just fail to show up for football games this year in any of th mens leagues. bit if a farce.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on May 27, 2010, 04:59:45 PM
maybe the £18 expenses wouldn't cover the petrol and he decided not to weigh in!

Seen that in off the fence today, apparently referees in Derry get £40 per game and refs in Down get £18/£20.

Heaney made a good point that Down ref's are basically doing it for free, now i'm not a referee or a big fan of them but I can understand why they are dying out

what would encourage you to be one, it would actually end up costing you money to take abuse, it doesn't add up

But also there's nothing as frustrating as lining out for a game on a nice pitch l(ike Aghaderg's), in good weather like last night for the ref not to turn up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on May 27, 2010, 05:19:12 PM
Quote from: Wee Shea on May 27, 2010, 12:10:34 PM
Many of you boys gonna head to the Magherlin Music Festival, Thurs 17th - Sun 20th June?

http://www.magheralinmusicfestival.com/

Sure am... all welcome...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 27, 2010, 09:19:04 PM
Games to be Played 6th & 7th June

Morgan Dairies ACPRFC Preliminary Round
Bryansford v Clonduff
Ballymartin v Tullylish
Castlewellan v Saval
Loughinisland v Bredagh


Morgan Dairies Reserve Football Championship
First Round
Rostrevor v Aughlisnafinn
Ardglass v St Pauls
Kilclief v Warrenpoint
Dundrum v Bosco
St johns v Clonduff
Atticall v Drumgath
Bredagh v Shamrocks
Kilcoo v Carryduff
Glenn v Bright
Liatroim v Longstone
Castlewellen v Teconnaught
Mitchels v Saul
Burren v Bryansford
An Riocht v St Micheals
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Dromara v Mayobridge


Down Junior  Football Feis 7's - 6th June at St Malachy's, Castlewellan
TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE
Group A

1. Dundrum   

2.Drumaness                     

3 Glenn       

4 Aughlisnafin         

Group Matches
12.00  Dundrum Vs Drumaness

12.20  Glenn  Vs Aughlisnafin

12.40  Dundrum Vs Glenn

1.00  Drumaness Vs Aughlisnafin

1.20  Dundrum Vs  Aughlisnafin

1.40  Drumaness Vs Glenn




Group B

1. Ardglass

2. St John's                   

3 Glasdrumman       

4 Teconnaught

5. Bright       

Group Matches
11.30  Ardglass Vs St John's

11.50  Glasdrumman Vs Teconnaught

12.10  St John's Vs Bright

12.30  Teconnaught Vs Ardglass

12.50  Ardglass Vs  Glasdrumman

1.10  Bright   Vs  Teconnaught

1.30  Teconnaught Vs St John's

1.50  Glasdrumman Vs Bright

2.10  Bright  Vs Ardglass

2.30  St John's Vs Glasdrumman

               
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on May 27, 2010, 09:29:46 PM
Quote from: Banana Man on May 27, 2010, 01:42:12 PM
well based on this, over the last number of years, Aghaderg has lost the following players that I know off to other clubs:

Marty Burns - Drumgath
Dan & Brendy Strain - Drumgath
Chris McGovern - Tullylish
John McAreavey - Tullylish
Colm Farrell - Annaclone
Martin Farrell - Annaclone
Rory Simpson - Annaclone
Kevin Anderson - Annaclone

The 4 that moved to Annaclone & McAreavey all played for the County Minors. That's 5 in Down Minors in total and some whack of underage talent to lose....

Can't believe you are complaining about losing Brendy Strain!

Ray Morgan once said: "Strain if I ever wanted to throw a match you would be the first fella I bring on!"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on May 27, 2010, 10:11:10 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 27, 2010, 09:19:04 PM
Games to be Played 6th & 7th June

Morgan Dairies ACPRFC Preliminary Round
Bryansford v Clonduff
Ballymartin v Tullylish
Castlewellan v Saval
Loughinisland v Bredagh


Morgan Dairies Reserve Football Championship
First Round
Rostrevor v Aughlisnafinn
Ardglass v St Pauls
Kilclief v Warrenpoint
Dundrum v Bosco
St johns v Clonduff
Atticall v Drumgath
Bredagh v Shamrocks
Kilcoo v Carryduff
Glenn v Bright
Liatroim v Longstone
Castlewellen v Teconnaught
Mitchels v Saul
Burren v Bryansford
An Riocht v St Micheals
Glasdrumman v Drumaness
Dromara v Mayobridge


Down Junior  Football Feis 7's - 6th June at St Malachy's, Castlewellan
TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE
Group A

1. Dundrum   

2.Drumaness                     

3 Glenn       

4 Aughlisnafin         

Group Matches
12.00  Dundrum Vs Drumaness

12.20  Glenn  Vs Aughlisnafin

12.40  Dundrum Vs Glenn

1.00  Drumaness Vs Aughlisnafin

1.20  Dundrum Vs  Aughlisnafin

1.40  Drumaness Vs Glenn




Group B

1. Ardglass

2. St John's                   

3 Glasdrumman       

4 Teconnaught

5. Bright       

Group Matches
11.30  Ardglass Vs St John's

11.50  Glasdrumman Vs Teconnaught

12.10  St John's Vs Bright

12.30  Teconnaught Vs Ardglass

12.50  Ardglass Vs  Glasdrumman

1.10  Bright   Vs  Teconnaught

1.30  Teconnaught Vs St John's

1.50  Glasdrumman Vs Bright

2.10  Bright  Vs Ardglass

2.30  St John's Vs Glasdrumman

               
is the reserve played on the 7th
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 27, 2010, 10:47:54 PM
Glasdrumman bt Carryduff by 1pt tonight but sustained alot of injuries.  Wet night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on May 28, 2010, 09:12:01 AM
Ray Morgan = Legend after that statement!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on May 28, 2010, 05:12:45 PM
Interesting opinion of Dublin's Keith Barr in todays Indo
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/keith-barr-mccartan-is-behind-downs-revival-2198221.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/keith-barr-mccartan-is-behind-downs-revival-2198221.html)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on May 28, 2010, 08:55:45 PM
Result
Glenn 1-11
Ardglass 2-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 28, 2010, 09:21:05 PM
Kilcoo 2-10 Longstone 2-7

What a comeback from Kilcoo. 7 points down with 12 minitues remaining and after a poor first half showing we somehow pulled it out off the bag. Brilliant goals from Anthony Devlin and then Barry Kane in the 60th minute proved decisive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on May 28, 2010, 09:33:27 PM
Saul 2-13 Dundrum 0-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on May 28, 2010, 09:42:43 PM
An Dún v Dún na nGall

1          Brendan McVeigh   An Ríocht   
2          Brendan McArdle     Eanach Chluáin
3          Declan Rooney        Boireann
4          Damian Rafferty       Seamrogaí an Íuir
5          Kevin McKernan      Boireann
6          James Colgan          An Ríocht
7          Conor Garvey           Droichead Mhaigh Éo
8          Dan Gordon              Loch an Oileáin
9          Kalum King               Áth Bhriain
10        Daniel Hughes         Sabhaill
11        Mark Poland             ClochFhada
12        Paul McComiskey    Dún Droma
13        Brendan Coulter      Droichead Mhaigh Éo
14        John Clarke              An Ríocht
15        Martin Clarke           An Ríocht

16        Declan Alder             Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
17        Conor Maginn          Áth Bhriain
18        Ambrose Rogers      Cloch Fhada
19        Conor Laverty           Cill Chua
20        Ronan Murtagh        Baile Cholmáin
21        Stephen Kearney    Sabhaill
22        Gerard McCartan     Boireann
23        Mark Doran   Cloch Fhada
24        Ciarán McGovern    Boireann
25        Peter Fitzpatrick       Baile Mhairtín
26        Liam Lennon          Caisleán Uidhlinn
27        Michéal McCartan   Liatroim
28        Darren O'Hagan      Cluain Daimh
29        Aidan Carr                 Cluain Dáimh
30        Kevin Duffin             Caisleán Uidhlinn 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 28, 2010, 09:46:31 PM
Colly, Bredagh drew with Bosco  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 28, 2010, 09:48:46 PM
ACFL Division 1
 
Rostrevor  1-12 0-7 Castlewellan  Rostrevor Round 9 
Burren  0-10 1-10 Mayobridge  Burren Round 9 
An Riocht  0-8 0-16 Bryansford  An Riocht Round 9 
Kilcoo  2-10 2-7 Longstone  Kilcoo Round 9 

ACFL Division 2
 
Annaclone  0-10 0-10 Saval  Annaclone Round 11 

ACFL Division 3
   
Glenn  1-11 2-11 Ardglass  Glenn Round 11 
Drumaness  0-10 2-8 Drumgath  Drumaness Round 11 

ACFL Division 4
 
Ballykinlar  1-11 1-14 Mitchels  Mitchels Round 10 
Dromara  2-8 0-10 Teconnaught  Dromara Round 10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 28, 2010, 09:53:01 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 28, 2010, 09:48:46 PM
ACFL Division 1
 
Rostrevor  1-12 0-7 Castlewellan  Rostrevor Round 9 
Burren  0-10 1-10 Mayobridge  Burren Round 9 
An Riocht  0-8 0-16 Bryansford  An Riocht Round 9 
Kilcoo  2-10 2-7 Longstone  Kilcoo Round 9 

ACFL Division 2
 
Annaclone  0-10 0-10 Saval  Annaclone Round 11 
ACFL Division 3
   
Glenn  1-11 2-11 Ardglass  Glenn Round 11 
Drumaness  0-10 2-8 Drumgath  Drumaness Round 11 

ACFL Division 4
 
Ballykinlar  1-11 1-14 Mitchels  Mitchels Round 10 
Dromara  2-8 0-10 Teconnaught  Dromara Round 10

Suits us...all we need is a result on the Scarva Road tomorrow night to make things interesting!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 28, 2010, 09:54:57 PM
Warrenpoint  2-11 1-8 Kilclief 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 28, 2010, 09:57:36 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on May 28, 2010, 09:42:43 PM
An Dún v Dún na nGall

1          Brendan McVeigh   An Ríocht   
2          Brendan McArdle     Eanach Chluáin
3          Declan Rooney        Boireann
4          Damian Rafferty       Seamrogaí an Íuir
5          Kevin McKernan      Boireann
6          James Colgan          An Ríocht
7          Conor Garvey           Droichead Mhaigh Éo
8          Dan Gordon              Loch an Oileáin
9          Kalum King               Áth Bhriain
10        Daniel Hughes         Sabhaill
11        Mark Poland             ClochFhada
12        Paul McComiskey    Dún Droma
13        Brendan Coulter      Droichead Mhaigh Éo
14        John Clarke              An Ríocht
15        Martin Clarke           An Ríocht

16        Declan Alder             Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
17        Conor Maginn          Áth Bhriain
18        Ambrose Rogers      Cloch Fhada
19        Conor Laverty           Cill Chua
20        Ronan Murtagh        Baile Cholmáin
21        Stephen Kearney    Sabhaill
22        Gerard McCartan     Boireann
23        Mark Doran   Cloch Fhada
24        Ciarán McGovern    Boireann
25        Peter Fitzpatrick       Baile Mhairtín
26        Liam Lennon          Caisleán Uidhlinn
27        Michéal McCartan   Liatroim
28        Darren O'Hagan      Cluain Daimh
29        Aidan Carr                 Cluain Dáimh
30        Kevin Duffin             Caisleán Uidhlinn


Surely Poland and Clarke be changing or is James trying a cryptic tactic. Also can't see Mc Ardle playing the corner. Hate that not playing position as per number business. When was Micheal McCartan called up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down South on May 28, 2010, 10:00:26 PM
Poland has played a couple of games at CHF and did well. McCartan was on the panel for the last few league games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 28, 2010, 10:14:17 PM
Ballymartin 0-08  Downpatrick 0-12

Darragh Cross 0-12  St Johns 0-10

Bredagh 0-14  Bosco 2-08

St Pauls 1-10  Aughlisnafin 1-14

Aghaderg 2-13  Bright 1-10

Loughinisland 2-10  Tullylish 0-11

Liatroim 0-12  Clonduff 1-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 28, 2010, 10:57:40 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on May 28, 2010, 09:57:36 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on May 28, 2010, 09:42:43 PM
An Dún v Dún na nGall

1          Brendan McVeigh   An Ríocht   
2          Brendan McArdle     Eanach Chluáin
3          Declan Rooney        Boireann
4          Damian Rafferty       Seamrogaí an Íuir
5          Kevin McKernan      Boireann
6          James Colgan          An Ríocht
7          Conor Garvey           Droichead Mhaigh Éo
8          Dan Gordon              Loch an Oileáin
9          Kalum King               Áth Bhriain
10        Daniel Hughes         Sabhaill
11        Mark Poland             ClochFhada
12        Paul McComiskey    Dún Droma
13        Brendan Coulter      Droichead Mhaigh Éo
14        John Clarke              An Ríocht
15        Martin Clarke           An Ríocht

16        Declan Alder             Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
17        Conor Maginn          Áth Bhriain
18        Ambrose Rogers      Cloch Fhada
19        Conor Laverty           Cill Chua
20        Ronan Murtagh        Baile Cholmáin
21        Stephen Kearney    Sabhaill
22        Gerard McCartan     Boireann
23        Mark Doran   Cloch Fhada
24        Ciarán McGovern    Boireann
25        Peter Fitzpatrick       Baile Mhairtín
26        Liam Lennon          Caisleán Uidhlinn
27        Michéal McCartan   Liatroim
28        Darren O'Hagan      Cluain Daimh
29        Aidan Carr                 Cluain Dáimh
30        Kevin Duffin             Caisleán Uidhlinn


Surely Poland and Clarke be changing or is James trying a cryptic tactic. Also can't see Mc Ardle playing the corner. Hate that not playing position as per number business. When was Micheal McCartan called up?

Micheal was called up at same time as Darren OHagan the week after league final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MR GAELIC PARK on May 28, 2010, 11:23:36 PM
Hi 5 sams being on top of the league at the end of may means nothing! I'll have to admit Banbridge are going well, probably their best first half in second division yet, but have you got the tough mentality to stay there!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on May 29, 2010, 08:58:49 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on May 28, 2010, 09:57:36 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on May 28, 2010, 09:42:43 PM
An Dún v Dún Na nGall

1          Brendan McVeigh   An Ríocht   
2          Brendan McArdle     Eanach Chluáin
3          Declan Rooney        Boireann
4          Damian Rafferty       Seamrogaí an Íuir
5          Kevin McKernan      Boireann
6          James Colgan          An Ríocht
7          Conor Garvey           Droichead Mhaigh Éo
8          Dan Gordon              Loch an Oileáin
9          Kalum King               Áth Bhriain
10        Daniel Hughes         Sabhaill
11        Mark Poland             ClochFhada
12        Paul McComiskey    Dún Droma
13        Brendan Coulter      Droichead Mhaigh Éo
14        John Clarke              An Ríocht
15        Martin Clarke           An Ríocht

16        Declan Alder             Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
17        Conor Maginn          Áth Bhriain
18        Ambrose Rogers      Cloch Fhada
19        Conor Laverty           Cill Chua
20        Ronan Murtagh        Baile Cholmáin
21        Stephen Kearney    Sabhaill
22        Gerard McCartan     Boireann
23        Mark Doran   Cloch Fhada
24        Ciarán McGovern    Boireann
25        Peter Fitzpatrick       Baile Mhairtín
26        Liam Lennon          Caisleán Uidhlinn
27        Michéal McCartan   Liatroim
28        Darren O'Hagan      Cluain Daimh
29        Aidan Carr                 Cluain Dáimh
30        Kevin Duffin             Caisleán Uidhlinn


Surely Poland and Clarke be changing or is James trying a cryptic tactic. Also can't see Mc Ardle playing the corner. Hate that not playing position as per number business. When was Micheal McCartan called up?
I think what James is at is that M Clarke will come out and be the play maker round HB-HF lines pumping balls into the forward line of Benn and J Clarke ,this could work!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on May 29, 2010, 09:38:06 AM
Quote from: MR GAELIC PARK on May 28, 2010, 11:23:36 PM
Hi 5 sams being on top of the league at the end of may means nothing! I'll have to admit Banbridge are going well, probably their best first half in second division yet, but have you got the tough mentality to stay there!!!

You do realise that 5sams in not a Banbridge man?? There will be 2 teams on the field tonight ya know........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on May 29, 2010, 10:30:22 AM
good luck to Down seniors and minors tomorrow in Ballybofey,a couple of wins are not beyond us and then its on to a double header against Tyrone, UP DOWN!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 29, 2010, 11:22:14 AM
Down Minor side named

Team and subs for Sunday;

Michael Cunningham              Castlewellan
Declan Turley                          RGU Downpatrick
Gearard McGovern                 Burren
Denis Murtagh                        Glenn
Fergal McAvoy                       Shamrocks
Darragh O'Hanlon                  Kilcoo
Paddy Boyle                           Castlewellan
Niall McParland (Capt)           Glenn
Niall Donnelly                         Tullylish
Danny Savage                         Bryansford
Caolan Mooney                       Rostrevor
Matty Bagnall                         Glenn
Shea McCartan                       Glenn
Jerome Johnston                      Kilcoo
Ryan O'Hare                           Ballymartin
 
Rory Miskelly                         Darragh Cross
Ryan Johnston                                    Kilcoo
Daryl Morgan                          Shamrocks
Eamon Magee                         Saval
Niall Madine                           Saval
James McClean                       Kilcoo
Shea McArdle                         Burren
Niall Cunningham                   Shamrocks
Oisin Lynch                            Shamrocks
 
Manager: Mark Turley

Selectors: Martin McGarry, Desi Kennedy

Trainer: John Morgan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 29, 2010, 12:28:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 29, 2010, 11:22:14 AM
Down Minor side named

Team and subs for Sunday;

Michael Cunningham              Castlewellan
Declan Turley                          RGU Downpatrick
Gearard McGovern                 Burren
Denis Murtagh                        Glenn
Fergal McAvoy                       Shamrocks
Darragh O'Hanlon                  Kilcoo
Paddy Boyle                           Castlewellan
Niall McParland (Capt)           Glenn
Niall Donnelly                         Tullylish
Danny Savage                         Bryansford
Caolan Mooney                       Rostrevor
Matty Bagnall                         Glenn
Shea McCartan                       Glenn
Jerome Johnston                      Kilcoo
Ryan O'Hare                           Ballymartin
 
Rory Miskelly                         Darragh Cross
Ryan Johnston                                    Kilcoo
Daryl Morgan                          Shamrocks
Eamon Magee                         Saval
Niall Madine                           Saval
James McClean                       Kilcoo
Shea McArdle                         Burren
Niall Cunningham                   Shamrocks
Oisin Lynch                            Shamrocks
 
Manager: Mark Turley

Selectors: Martin McGarry, Desi Kennedy

Trainer: John Morgan

Four Glenn starters, fair play, never seen a lower league club with such high representation before. Must be some good work going on at youth level there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on May 29, 2010, 12:53:52 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 29, 2010, 11:22:14 AM
Down Minor side named

Team and subs for Sunday;

Michael Cunningham              Castlewellan
Declan Turley                          RGU Downpatrick
Gearard McGovern                 Burren
Denis Murtagh                        Glenn
Fergal McAvoy                       Shamrocks
Darragh O'Hanlon                  Kilcoo
Paddy Boyle                           Castlewellan
Niall McParland (Capt)           Glenn
Niall Donnelly                         Tullylish
Danny Savage                         Bryansford
Caolan Mooney                       Rostrevor
Matty Bagnall                         Glenn
Shea McCartan                       Glenn
Jerome Johnston                      Kilcoo
Ryan O'Hare                           Ballymartin
 
Rory Miskelly                         Darragh Cross
Ryan Johnston                                    Kilcoo
Daryl Morgan                          Shamrocks
Eamon Magee                         Saval
Niall Madine                           Saval
James McClean                       Kilcoo
Shea McArdle                         Burren
Niall Cunningham                   Shamrocks
Oisin Lynch                            Shamrocks
 
Manager: Mark Turley

Selectors: Martin McGarry, Desi Kennedy

Trainer: John Morgan
Noel Saxton is a selector on the minor team as well,lets wish everybody involved well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on May 29, 2010, 02:04:53 PM
Kevin McKernan's brief interview in the IN is worth a read  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on May 29, 2010, 02:10:57 PM
im sure conor laverty will be happy with kevin's fantasy date!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down South on May 29, 2010, 02:59:00 PM
Collingwood have poured cold water on speculation that Martin Clarke could return to the AFL some day.

Collingwood's recruitment manager Derek Hine, who visited the Down star on a recent trip to Ireland, said: "I know Martin really well and of course we'd love him to come back at some point in the future but at no stage has he indicated to the club that he would like to do that.

"In all the communication and all the conversations we've had, both in Ireland and since I got back, he's never indicated that. And I wouldn't ask him. I just wouldn't put him in that position."

While Clarke recently revealed that he would never rule out a return to Australia, Hine said the An Riocht clubman was happy to be back home.

"I went to watch him play a game when I was over there and he played really well, which is an indication of how happy he is and how comfortable he is in what he's doing.".

Clarke, who will make his long-awaited Ulster SFC debut for Down against Donegal in Ballybofey tomorrow, played 46 Premiership games for Collingwood before returning home last September to resume his Gaelic football career.

"We really hope that it goes well for him. Martin stayed with me and my family for three years when he was out here and I talk to him regularly, as friends do," Hine added.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down South on May 29, 2010, 11:59:45 PM
USHC QF  Down 4-24  0-09 Armagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 30, 2010, 12:06:30 AM
Harps hammered Banbridge tonight. A real good disciplined performance...especially from our defenders. A few of the older Banbridge lads tried to intimidate and goad some of our young fellas but they held strong to deliver a great result. We're clear on top now...big one next week against our neighbours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on May 30, 2010, 08:36:10 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 30, 2010, 12:06:30 AM
Harps hammered Banbridge tonight. A real good disciplined performance...especially from our defenders. A few of the older Banbridge lads tried to intimidate and goad some of our young fellas but they held strong to deliver a great result. We're clear on top now...big one next week against our neighbours.

was a very good performance from ballyholland, well drilled and stuck to their task. Coped well with the small pitch, something alot if teams have struggled with this year.

And I'm not just sure why Paul murphy isn't playing against Donegal today, but we will leave that for another time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 30, 2010, 09:05:16 AM
Congrats to Glenn - that's a fine achievement having so many on the minor team.

I could be wrong but credit to Tony Bagnall for a youth policy that is obviously paying dividends + will show in their senior team!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on May 30, 2010, 10:50:34 AM
Quote from: behind the wire on May 30, 2010, 08:36:10 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 30, 2010, 12:06:30 AM
Harps hammered Banbridge tonight. A real good disciplined performance...especially from our defenders. A few of the older Banbridge lads tried to intimidate and goad some of our young fellas but they held strong to deliver a great result. We're clear on top now...big one next week against our neighbours.

was a very good performance from ballyholland, well drilled and stuck to their task. Coped well with the small pitch, something alot if teams have struggled with this year.

And I'm not just sure why Paul murphy isn't playing against Donegal today, but we will leave that for another time.

We got what was coming to us, we have played like a team of rejects for a while now and got what we deserved last night. Score line could have been more only for one or two unbelivable saves from McAlister. Unless we get the fingers out and improve significantly from number 2 to 25 we will be in trouble.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on May 31, 2010, 11:12:03 AM
congratulations to Down seniors and minors yesterday, a great achievement for both teams to win away from home at the same venue on the same day.More work to be done of course but nevertheless improvement on several levels evident all around-WELL DONE!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on May 31, 2010, 02:04:01 PM
Im going to assum not too many saw the hurlers at casement on saturday. but was just wondering why the ballygalget players had their club socks on or showing over the top of the down socks.  some sort of statement perhaps?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 31, 2010, 02:04:26 PM
The Draws for the 2010 Down Championships in Football and Hurling will take place on Tuesday 8th June in the Canal Court Hotel Newry at 7.30 pm.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on May 31, 2010, 04:56:22 PM
It was great to see a performance like they from Benny and the way he spoke in the interview he really means business this year well done ÁN DÚN what a great weekend for our footballers and hurlers, we will look forward to another battle royal with Tyrone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 01, 2010, 09:52:06 PM
Minor Championship Result

Kilcoo 0-10 Clonduff 0-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 02, 2010, 01:19:59 AM
I really dont  think it was fair on clubs on play the minor championship tonight!! First of all most players are in the middle of exams and secondly Down minors were playing on Sunday which meant that most teams had no time to prepare with their full quota of players!! The championship final is not played until the first week of October so i don't see what the rush is for?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saved the hay on June 02, 2010, 09:22:39 AM
Agree with T O HARE am new to this forum but whats the hurry as a Glenn man we lost by a point last night in a very tight match away to Burren we had 4 minors played for Down on Sunday they were shattered on Monday night given the toll Sundays game had on them would the senior managers allowed a club champinship match to go ahead 2 days after a county game think not so much for player welfare anyway well done to Burren all the best in the next round
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 02, 2010, 10:16:34 AM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on May 31, 2010, 02:04:01 PM
Im going to assum not too many saw the hurlers at casement on saturday. but was just wondering why the ballygalget players had their club socks on or showing over the top of the down socks.  some sort of statement perhaps?

I really don't know what that was about and I did notice it but haven't heard anything more about it since.

Was it all the Ballygalget contingent or just Eoin and Stephen Clarke? I can't remember if Darren Flynn or Graham Clarke were also wearing their club socks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on June 02, 2010, 12:36:52 PM
Flynn and Graham had the green socks out ovr the top of the black down ones. just odd i thought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 02, 2010, 03:25:58 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on June 02, 2010, 12:36:52 PM
Flynn and Graham had the green socks out ovr the top of the black down ones. just odd i thought.

    Who gives a toss?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 02, 2010, 06:11:35 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 02, 2010, 01:19:59 AM
I really dont  think it was fair on clubs on play the minor championship tonight!! First of all most players are in the middle of exams and secondly Down minors were playing on Sunday which meant that most teams had no time to prepare with their full quota of players!! The championship final is not played until the first week of October so i don't see what the rush is for?

Yeah totally agree. Was madness to rush this round off fixtures. Although our lads played poorly last night and where fortunate to defeat our neighbours, the 3 lads that featured for Down on Sunday looked shattered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on June 03, 2010, 02:51:29 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 02, 2010, 03:25:58 PM
Quote from: bredaghgael86 on June 02, 2010, 12:36:52 PM
Flynn and Graham had the green socks out ovr the top of the black down ones. just odd i thought.

    Who gives a toss?

Didnt know comments needed to be run by you before posting on this. lesson learned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 03, 2010, 02:54:19 PM
Was there not also supposed to be another round of Minor League fixtures played last night as printed in the Irish News fixtures on Tuesday, now that would have been true madness. They should really start to star minor players for league and championship games or fix the Club Championship not to coincide within a week with the County Championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on June 03, 2010, 03:43:59 PM
too mutch common sense there cthb,good idea but wont be considered as the minor players are often ignored in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 03, 2010, 04:58:07 PM
Due to cemetery mass in Mayobridge this evening, the division one game between Mayobridge and Clonduff will take place tonight as 8.45pm !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 03, 2010, 05:16:52 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 03, 2010, 04:58:07 PM
Due to cemetery mass in Mayobridge this evening, the division one game between Mayobridge and Clonduff will take place tonight as 8.45pm !

Great job. two derbys in one evening with Saval v Ballyholland at half 7 in nan sands park then straight over to the bridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 03, 2010, 05:28:13 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 03, 2010, 05:16:52 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 03, 2010, 04:58:07 PM
Due to cemetery mass in Mayobridge this evening, the division one game between Mayobridge and Clonduff will take place tonight as 8.45pm !

Great job. two derbys in one evening with Saval v Ballyholland at half 7 in nan sands park then straight over to the bridge.

You travel to some football MDG.. must keep an eye out to see who you are!!!! ;) :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 03, 2010, 09:20:12 PM
Saval 1.9 Ballyholland 1.8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 03, 2010, 09:41:07 PM
Harps v Saval Poor top of table clash - Saval deservedly won + probably should have won by more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 03, 2010, 10:03:41 PM
ACFL Division 1   
Longstone  0-12 1-5 Rostrevor 
ACFL Division 2
Shamrocks  0-5 0-12 Loughinisland   
ACFL Division 4   
Aughlisnafin  2-10 0-8 Ballykinlar   
Morgan Dairies Minor Football B Championship
Ballymartin  2-10 2-6 An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 03, 2010, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 03, 2010, 05:28:13 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 03, 2010, 05:16:52 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 03, 2010, 04:58:07 PM
Due to cemetery mass in Mayobridge this evening, the division one game between Mayobridge and Clonduff will take place tonight as 8.45pm !

Great job. two derbys in one evening with Saval v Ballyholland at half 7 in nan sands park then straight over to the bridge.

You travel to some football MDG.. must keep an eye out to see who you are!!!! ;) :)

Tough enough man to track down  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on June 03, 2010, 10:49:47 PM
mayobridge 0-12 clonduff 0-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 03, 2010, 11:00:10 PM
Not a great game. Whoever that number 5 clonduff player is, what a f**king coward. Hittin a man off the ball, then running and hiding, management even went to substitute him. F**kin yella wee f**cker. My blood was boiling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 03, 2010, 11:56:18 PM
Nice to see the Fin getting a win, shows that persistence pays
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on June 04, 2010, 03:11:56 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on June 03, 2010, 11:56:18 PM
persistence pays

but crime doesn't.
I wonder how persistant criminals make out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on June 04, 2010, 09:37:45 AM
Fair play to clonduff - three points they have taken from their two matches against the bridge this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on June 04, 2010, 11:02:09 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on June 03, 2010, 11:56:18 PM
Nice to see the Fin getting a win, shows that persistence pays

Don't think they are the whipping boys any longer.  They must have an outside chance of making the top 3.

                   P   W   L   Pts
Teconnaught   9   8   1   16
Mitchels   8   5   3   10
Dromara   9   5   4   10
Aughlisnafin   9   5   4   10
St Pauls   8   5   3   10
St Michaels   7   4   3   8
Bright   8   2   6   4
Aghaderg   9   2   7   4
Ballykinlar   9   2   7   4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on June 04, 2010, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on June 03, 2010, 11:00:10 PM
Not a great game. Whoever that number 5 clonduff player is, what a f**king coward. Hittin a man off the ball, then running and hiding, management even went to substitute him. F**kin yella wee f**cker. My blood was boiling.

Clonduff man wasnt running and hiding - merely not wanting to be sent off by the referee so I think it was a case of he was held back by other players to protect his identity than running away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on June 04, 2010, 04:24:32 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on June 04, 2010, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on June 03, 2010, 11:00:10 PM
Not a great game. Whoever that number 5 clonduff player is, what a f**king coward. Hittin a man off the ball, then running and hiding, management even went to substitute him. F**kin yella wee f**cker. My blood was boiling.

Clonduff man wasnt running and hiding - merely not wanting to be sent off by the referee so I think it was a case of he was held back by other players to protect his identity than running away.
A fine split of the hair  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on June 04, 2010, 05:22:30 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on June 04, 2010, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on June 03, 2010, 11:00:10 PM
Not a great game. Whoever that number 5 clonduff player is, what a f**king coward. Hittin a man off the ball, then running and hiding, management even went to substitute him. F**kin yella wee f**cker. My blood was boiling.

Clonduff man wasnt running and hiding - merely not wanting to be sent off by the referee so I think it was a case of he was held back by other players to protect his identity than running away.
He souldn't have lifted his hand in the first place, if someone can not take the field with out lifting his fist he souldn,t e there in the first place   in most cases they are the boys that couldnt beat egg's  this kind of behaviour is unacceptable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on June 04, 2010, 09:16:06 PM
RGU 1 - 16 Kilclief 0 - 6, they are very poor, definetly division 3 material
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on June 04, 2010, 09:19:01 PM
F.T.
dundrum 3-10
st johns 1-7
H.T
dundrum 1-4
st johns 1-4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on June 04, 2010, 09:21:05 PM
Fulltime

Drumgath  2-7
Glasdrumman  0-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 04, 2010, 09:32:08 PM
Down Division 3

St Johns 1-07  Dundrum 3-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 04, 2010, 09:34:25 PM
Kilcoo 4-13 Castlewellan 0-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 04, 2010, 09:34:51 PM
Bredagh 4-13 Glenn 1-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 04, 2010, 09:35:09 PM
ACFL Division 2
   
Annaclone  3-9 1-12 Clann na Banna  Annaclone   
Atticall  3-18 2-6 Tullylish  Atticall   

ACFL Division 3
 
St John Bosco  1-13 3-7 Ardglass  St John Bosco
Carryduff 0-10  1-06  Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on June 04, 2010, 09:45:23 PM
Div 3: Darragh Cross 1-7 Saul 1-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 04, 2010, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on June 03, 2010, 09:41:07 PM
Harps v Saval Poor top of table clash - Saval deservedly won + probably should have won by more

Wierd game last night...Danny Hughes didnt seem interested...I dont think he took a man on all night....missed a few easy (by his standard) scores. Saval kicked 7 wides in a row in the last 15 minutes. Harps were not at the races all night and still had chances to win in the last 10 minutes. We took the wrong decisions at vital moments and paid the price....still IMHO it was asking a lot to get the lads to sustain the seriously high level of performance they have produced over the last month....anyway anois na Seamrogai!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on June 04, 2010, 09:51:51 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 04, 2010, 09:35:09 PM
ACFL Division 3
Carryduff 0-10  1-06  Drumaness

Ollie was, no other word does justice, a Disgrace.

Seemed to let the game play for an age, then last attack for drumaness and the ball, by carryduff admision, sails over. Drumaness umpire gives the score, carryduff wide. Ollie consults with only the carryduff umpire and gives a wide, blows the game up.

Several Duff players said, not to Ollie but afterwords that it sailed over.

In addition to the ref, The umpire musn't have an ounce of decency, there are many who dont do the job right, but in the spirit of the game you should give the correct call.

Another failing of Ollie. Booking a player who went off the field to change a boot, and ran back on. Not a rule anymore. Its a free to the other team. He gave a hop ball and a yellow card.

Drumaness should have won the game long before, and Duff missed a serious amount of chances. Fair play to Connor McCullagh who hit the superb winning score from half back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 04, 2010, 10:01:52 PM
ACFL Division 1

Burren  2-7 1-10 Bryansford  Burren   
Kilcoo  4-12 0-8 Castlewellan  Kilcoo   

ACFL Division 2
   
Annaclone  3-9 1-12 Clann na Banna  Annaclone   
Atticall  3-18 2-6 Tullylish  Atticall   
Downpatrick  1-16 0-6 Kilclief  Downpatrick   
Ballymartin  1-11 3-10 Warrenpoint  Ballymartin   

ACFL Division 3
 
Bredagh  4-15 1-10 Glenn  Bredagh   
St Johns  1-7 3-10 Dundrum  St Johns   
Drumgath  2-7 0-11 Glasdrumman  Drumgath   
Carryduff  0-12 3-7 Drumaness  Carryduff   
St John Bosco  1-13 3-7 Ardglass  St John Bosco   
Darragh Cross  1-7 1-7 Saul  Darragh Cross   

ACFL Division 4

St Michaels  1-9 1-8 St Pauls  St Michaels   
Bright  1-11 1-6 Dromara  Bright


Don't think the results secretary has got that result right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on June 05, 2010, 05:00:26 AM
An Riocht beat Liatroim by 6 or 7 points. Kingdom never really got going in the 1st half but Kingdom upped their game in the second, marty clarke kicking 8 or 9 points in total, few excepional scores from play. An riochts full back was great, as was the running of young C.Killen up front...!

I think Castlewellans already gone and it'll be tight to see who's in the relagation playoff with Liatroim. Heres hoping it not the Kingdom :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 05, 2010, 11:37:20 AM
DF, I think its the ref who texts in the score and its automatically updates the system, can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 05, 2010, 11:47:31 AM
any of the Carryduff boys want to comment on comments above from down6061689194?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on June 05, 2010, 12:13:36 PM
 :)well done the clone.the transferes are paying off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on June 05, 2010, 05:26:31 PM
great win last night for annaclone, some great scores taken and played near enough the whole game with 14 men, young pyers was very good when on the ball and brendan mc ardle had a solid game at half back also getting his name on the score sheet. Looked like a bad injury to one of the annaclone forwards, anyone know what happened him? also some very dubious decisions by the referee i.e, not being consistant with the book, however was a good open game of football and was worth the trip to watch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on June 05, 2010, 09:06:20 PM
Quote from: westdowngael on June 05, 2010, 05:26:31 PM
great win last night for annaclone, some great scores taken and played near enough the whole game with 14 men, young pyers was very good when on the ball and brendan mc ardle had a solid game at half back also getting his name on the score sheet. Looked like a bad injury to one of the annaclone forwards, anyone know what happened him? also some very dubious decisions by the referee i.e, not being consistant with the book, however was a good open game of football and was worth the trip to watch.

thought the ref had a good game, didnt see many dubious decisions. good game of football, annaclone did very well to dig out the result with 14 players. the goals taken by owen pyers and benny mcardle were 2 of the best goals i have seen i a while.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 05, 2010, 11:34:30 PM
Can anyone confirm league situ this year ie how many promoted/releg in each division

Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on June 05, 2010, 11:42:01 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on June 05, 2010, 11:34:30 PM
Can anyone confirm league situ this year ie how many promoted/releg in each division

Thanks

From the County bye laws, Golden Years

All County Football Leagues
(a) Year 1: 2009 - The team that finishes in 1st place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play in their respective league finals. The teams that finish in 2nd and 3rd place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play each other with the winner of this game progressing to their respective league finals. The league winner only in Divisions 2, 3 and 4 will be promoted in this year (2009). The team that finishes bottom of Divisions 1,2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will be automatically relegated. The teams that finish 2nd, 3rd and 4th from the bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will play off with 2 of these 3 teams also being relegated in this year (2009). (A draw will be made for the 1st play-off game and the loser of this game will play the 3rd team). (b) Year 2: 2010 - The team that finishes in 1st place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play in their respective league finals. The teams that finish in 2nd and 3rd place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play each other with the winner of this game progressing to their respective league finals. Both finalists in Division 2 will be promoted in this year (2010). The league winner only in Divisions 3 and 4 will be promoted in this year (2010). The team that finishes bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will be automatically relegated. The teams that finish 2nd & 3rd from the bottom of Division 1 after the ordinary round stages will play each other with the loser also being relegated. The teams that finish 2nd, 3rd and 4th from the bottom of Divisions 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will playoff and 2 of these 3 teams will also be relegated in this year (2010). (A draw will be made for the 1st play-off game and the loser of this game will play the 3rd team). (c) Year 3: 2011 - After 2 years Divisions 1 & 2 would have 10 teams each, Division 3 would have 12 teams and Division 4 would have 11 teams. At this stage the team that finishes in 1st place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play in their respective league finals. The teams that finish in 2nd and 3rd place after the ordinary round stages in all 4 Divisions will play each other with the winner of this game progressing to their respective league finals. Both finalists in Divisions 2, 3 & 4 will be promoted thereafter. The team that finishes bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will be automatically relegated. The teams that finish 2nd & 3rd from the bottom of Divisions 1, 2 and 3 after the ordinary round stages will play each other with the loser also being relegated.
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(d) Where teams finish on equal points, finishing positions shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified: (i) Where two Teams only are involved - the outcome of the meetings of the two teams in the previous games in the Competition i.e. the combined scores of the two games; (ii) Scoring Difference (Subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For); (iii) Highest Total Score For; (iv) A Play-Off. In the event of any of the Play-off games for promotion or relegatio
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 06, 2010, 10:02:41 AM
Much appreciated Nora
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on June 06, 2010, 01:48:37 PM
Lads anyone know how to get the results of east down fixtures? Is there a specified web page
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on June 06, 2010, 02:57:10 PM
Has anyone got the results of the junior sevens tournament today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 06, 2010, 03:01:11 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on June 06, 2010, 01:48:37 PM
Lads anyone know how to get the results of east down fixtures? Is there a specified web page
It would be easier to find the third secret of Fatima to be quite honest. The fixtures for the week ahead are usually in the Irish News on a Tuesday and Mourne Observer on Wednesday, but the results are never published in the papers or the Down website.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 06, 2010, 08:37:17 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on June 06, 2010, 03:01:11 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on June 06, 2010, 01:48:37 PM
Lads anyone know how to get the results of east down fixtures? Is there a specified web page
It would be easier to find the third secret of Fatima to be quite honest. The fixtures for the week ahead are usually in the Irish News on a Tuesday and Mourne Observer on Wednesday, but the results are never published in the papers or the Down website.

actually find it easy to get the results, heres the ones from the Down site from last week:

Sunday 06th June 2010
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Ladies Football U16 A League
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Carryduff    Ballymartin  Carryduff Not Played 
Clonduff  - - Bredagh  Clonduff Conceded by Clonduff 
Annaclone  4-10 3-7 Burren  Annaclone Round 6 
St John Bosco  6-7 3-11 Castlewellan  St John Bosco Round 6 
Ladies Football U16 B League
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Loughinisland  2-3 4-6 Bryansford  Loughinisland Round 6 
Rostrevor  0-6 8-10 Saul  Rostrevor Round 6 
Kilcoo  4-1 3-12 Shamrocks  Kilcoo Round 6 
Friday 04th June 2010
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ACFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Burren  2-7 1-10 Bryansford  Burren   
Kilcoo  4-12 0-8 Castlewellan  Kilcoo   
ACFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Annaclone  3-9 1-12 Clann na Banna  Annaclone   
Atticall  3-18 2-6 Tullylish  Atticall   
Downpatrick  1-16 0-6 Kilclief  Downpatrick   
Ballymartin  1-11 3-10 Warrenpoint  Ballymartin   
ACFL Division 3
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Bredagh  4-15 1-10 Glenn  Bredagh   
St Johns  1-7 3-10 Dundrum  St Johns   
Drumgath  2-7 0-11 Glasdrumman  Drumgath   
Carryduff  0-12 3-7 Drumaness  Carryduff   
St John Bosco  1-13 3-7 Ardglass  St John Bosco   
Darragh Cross  1-7 1-7 Saul  Darragh Cross   
ACFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
St Michaels  1-9 1-8 St Pauls  St Michaels   
Bright  1-11 1-6 Dromara  Bright   
Thursday 03rd June 2010
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ACFL Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Mayobridge  0-12 0-12 Clonduff  Mayobridge   
Longstone  0-12 1-5 Rostrevor  Longstone   
An Riocht  0-13 0-8 Liatroim  An Riocht   
ACFL Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Saval  1-9 1-8 Ballyholland  Saval   
Shamrocks  0-5 0-12 Loughinisland  Shamrocks   
ACFL Division 4
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Teconnaught  1-13 0-5 Aghaderg  Teconnaught   
Aughlisnafin  2-10 0-8 Ballykinlar  Aughlisnafin   
Morgan Dairies Minor Football B Championship
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Ballymartin  2-10 2-6 An Riocht  Ballymartin Round 2 
Wednesday 02nd June 2010
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Hurling Division 1
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Bredagh  3-12 2-13 Liatroim  Bredagh   
Kilclief  3-14 3-10 Ballela  Kilclief   
Portaferry  1-21 0-8 Warrenpoint  Portaferry   
Shamrocks  1-12 0-17 Ballygalget  Shamrocks   
Ballycran  4-22 0-11 Ballyvarley  Ballycran   
Hurling Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Bredagh  0-9 3-17 Castlewellan  Bredagh   
Clonduff  3-12 3-9 Ballycran  Clonduff   
Ballygalget  0-5 0-0 Warrenpoint  Ballygalget   
Castlewellan  3-20 2-11 Carryduff  Castlewellan   
Tuesday 01st June 2010
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Hurling Division 2
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Bredagh  4-3 4-16 Portaferry  Bredagh   
Morgan Dairies Minor Football A Championship
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
St Johns  0-14 3-7 Bryansford  St John Bosco Round 2 
Castlewellan  1-7 1-10 Warrenpoint  Castlewellan Round 2 
Cill Darach  0-9 4-19 Shamrocks  Cill Darach Round 2 
Burren  1-12 1-11 Glenn  Burren Round 2 
Kilcoo  0-10 0-7 Clonduff  Kilcoo Round 2 
Downpatrick  2-10 1-6 Carryduff  Downpatrick Round 2 
St Colmans  1-5 3-19 Rostrevor  St Colmans Round 1 
Ballyholland  3-7 0-18 Noamh Mhuire  Ballyholland Round 1 
Morgan Dairies Minor Football B Championship
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
St Pauls  1-13 1-12 St John Bosco  St Pauls Round 1 
Clann na Banna  7-7 3-7 Noamh Seosamh  Clann na Banna Round 2 
Annaderg  0-9 3-13 Loughinisland  Annaderg Round 2 
Longstone  5-13 1-5 Ardglass  Longstone Round 2 
Sunday 30th May 2010
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Ladies Football U14 B League
Team 1 Score Score Team 2 Venue Comment   
Saval  2-2 5-10 Annaclone  Saval Round 5 
Tullylish  0-4 1-12 Shamrocks  Tullylish Round 5


a bit harder to get the under age ones
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on June 06, 2010, 09:17:37 PM
Thanks lads. It is the underage i was looking for but cheers anyway. Surely it couldn't take much for someone on the east down board to keep everyonr updated surely?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on June 06, 2010, 09:25:11 PM
No East Down results in there Square Ball.
East Down have not published results this year or last. Very poor show.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on June 06, 2010, 11:31:10 PM
Quote from: norabeag on June 06, 2010, 09:25:11 PM
No East Down results in there Square Ball.
East Down have not published results this year or last. Very poor show.

We don't get South Down results either. Get the fixtures ok every week without fail.
Armagh are very good with their underage results. Get everything on a Sunday night - including tables.
And just like last season we get nothing from Down hurling bar the senior hurling league fixtures and results . Absolutely nothing for underage hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 07, 2010, 10:50:04 AM
Quote from: Out in Front on June 06, 2010, 11:31:10 PM
Quote from: norabeag on June 06, 2010, 09:25:11 PM
No East Down results in there Square Ball.
East Down have not published results this year or last. Very poor show.

We don't get South Down results either. Get the fixtures ok every week without fail.
Armagh are very good with their underage results. Get everything on a Sunday night - including tables.
And just like last season we get nothing from Down hurling bar the senior hurling league fixtures and results . Absolutely nothing for underage hurling.

Is that to do with the referees not sending them in as they do for the esportsmanager tool in the adult competitions or is it not set up for them in Down?

It's only this year we've been getting any hurling results so any improvements are welcome.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 07, 2010, 10:05:43 PM
A lot of misinformation and confusion surrounding the availability of county players for this Friday night's games. They are infact available to play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 08, 2010, 12:27:41 AM
Is this 100%?

We play An Rioct wed night and think they were looking it off if countu men not allowed to play!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffleKing on June 08, 2010, 08:38:31 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 07, 2010, 10:05:43 PM
A lot of misinformation and confusion surrounding the availability of county players for this Friday night's games. They are infact available to play.

Surely they'd only be available at the discretion of the county management given that friday is within 13 days of the ulster semi final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on June 08, 2010, 10:46:52 AM
This is taken from Down bye-laws 2010 as published on the Official Down GAA website, it's not exactly rocket science to interpret.


"3.7 The period of time during which Senior Inter-County Players shall not be expected to fulfil Inter-Club fixtures prior to Inter-County Championship games, in the same code, shall be as follows: 1. All-Ireland Finals- maximum 14 days; 2. All other games, with the exception of the preliminary/first round of the Ulster Senior Football Championship – maximum 7 days."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 08, 2010, 12:47:33 PM
I imagine James will try to get the whole series moved to Monday June 21st to get around his players actually getting match fit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 08, 2010, 08:07:25 PM
Forgot about championship draw tonight
Anyone at it please post asap

Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 08, 2010, 08:31:29 PM
Harps v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: overdabar on June 08, 2010, 08:32:00 PM
Kilcoo v Downpatrick
Burren v loughinisland
An Riocht v Clonduff
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Leitrim v Longstone
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
Saval V Ballymartin
Bryansford v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 08, 2010, 08:36:30 PM
intermediate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on June 08, 2010, 08:52:50 PM
Glenn vs Banbridge
Annaclone vs Shamrocks

that is all I have heard so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 08, 2010, 09:08:18 PM
Ardglass v st johns
annaclone v shamrocks
glenn v banbridge
kilclief v glasdrumman

from the Hogan stand
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 08, 2010, 09:11:15 PM
Are the Hurling draws being made tonight?
Big derby with the Ford playing Castlewellan, when are the venues decided?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 08, 2010, 09:12:36 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on June 08, 2010, 09:11:15 PM
Are the Hurling draws being made tonight?
Big derby with the Ford playing Castlewellan, when are the venues decided?

yeah to the hurling draw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 08, 2010, 09:24:57 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 08, 2010, 09:08:18 PM
Ardglass v st johns
annaclone v shamrocks
glenn v banbridge
kilclief v glasdrumman

from the Hogan stand

come on, someone must have the rest
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 08, 2010, 09:30:27 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 08, 2010, 09:24:57 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 08, 2010, 09:08:18 PM
Ardglass v st johns
annaclone v shamrocks
glenn v banbridge
kilclief v glasdrumman

from the Hogan stand

come on, someone must have the rest

Everybody is too busy digging into the finger buffet!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 08, 2010, 09:34:19 PM
The Canal Court do a quere feed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 08, 2010, 09:59:23 PM
Sitting here refreshing this page is starting to grind my gears!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 08, 2010, 10:00:44 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on June 08, 2010, 09:59:23 PM
Sitting here refreshing this page is starting to grind my gears!

I know the feeling  >:(, been on the Hogan as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 08, 2010, 10:03:49 PM
A Bredagh v Dundrum tie could be in the making again SB  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 08, 2010, 10:05:14 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 08, 2010, 10:03:49 PM
A Bredagh v Dundrum tie could be in the making again SB  ;)

or the Duff DF, sure I will be in Dundrum on Friday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 08, 2010, 10:06:23 PM
Who all are in each of the Hurling Championships this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 08, 2010, 10:11:07 PM
JHC - Castlewellan, Clonduff, Carryduff, Ballyvarley

IHC - Ballela, Shamrocks, Kilclief, Bredagh, Warrenpoint

SHC - Ballycran, Portaferry, Ballygalget, Liatroim?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 08, 2010, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 08, 2010, 10:11:07 PM
JHC - Castlewellan, Clonduff, Carryduff, Ballyvarley

IHC - Ballela, Shamrocks, Kilclief, Bredagh, Warrenpoint

SHC - Ballycran, Portaferry, Ballygalget, Liatroim?

Cheers Lecale2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 08, 2010, 10:31:54 PM
Bredagh v Tullylish I believe
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 08, 2010, 10:34:14 PM
Intermediate Hurling
Ballela v Bredagh

Junior
Ballyvarley v Carryduff
Clonduff v Castlewellan

or so im told.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 08, 2010, 10:34:40 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 08, 2010, 10:31:54 PM
Bredagh v Tullylish I believe

KB will be loving that one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 08, 2010, 10:35:55 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 08, 2010, 10:34:40 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 08, 2010, 10:31:54 PM
Bredagh v Tullylish I believe

KB will be loving that one

Yeah, should be interesting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on June 08, 2010, 10:44:53 PM
Any word of the JFC draw yet?  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 08, 2010, 10:48:17 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on June 08, 2010, 10:44:53 PM
Any word of the JFC draw yet?  ???

The squaddies got Bright.

Carryduff v Dundrum. A repeat of the 2006 IFC 1st Round opener.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on June 09, 2010, 12:03:46 AM
Getting to this late but does anyone have the rest of the IFC draw?

Ardglass   v   St Johns
Annaclone   v   Shamrocks
Glenn    v   Clann na Banna
Kilclief   v   Glasdrumman
Bredagh   v   Tullylish
Carryduff   v   Dundrum

so who got who from the rest of Atticall, Darragh Cross, Drumgath, Saul ??

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 09, 2010, 12:22:22 AM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on June 09, 2010, 12:03:46 AM
Getting to this late but does anyone have the rest of the IFC draw?

Ardglass   v   St Johns
Annaclone   v   Shamrocks
Glenn    v   Clann na Banna
Kilclief   v   Glasdrumman
Bredagh   v   Tullylish
Carryduff   v   Dundrum

so who got who from the rest of Atticall, Darragh Cross, Drumgath, Saul ??

You got Drumgath, with Darragh and Atticall to face off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 09, 2010, 12:23:28 AM
Championship dates?

Senior and reserve
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on June 09, 2010, 12:35:40 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 09, 2010, 12:22:22 AM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on June 09, 2010, 12:03:46 AM
Getting to this late but does anyone have the rest of the IFC draw?

Ardglass   v   St Johns
Annaclone   v   Shamrocks
Glenn    v   Clann na Banna
Kilclief   v   Glasdrumman
Bredagh   v   Tullylish
Carryduff   v   Dundrum

so who got who from the rest of Atticall, Darragh Cross, Drumgath, Saul ??


You got Drumgath, with Darragh and Atticall to face off

Cheers dundrumite

Games are down for the Thurs 5th through Mon 9th of August afaik
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 09, 2010, 08:40:23 AM
Kilcoo v Downpatrick
Burren v Loughinisland
An Riocht v Clonduff
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Leitrim v Longstone
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
Saval V Ballymartin
Bryansford v Castlewellan

There are 3 big enough ties in the first round,  Kingdom v Clonduff, Lietrim v Longstone (3rd Year in a row) and The Ford v Castewellan.  Kilcoo and Burren look to be home and hosed already, An Riocht v Clonduff should be tight but I fancy Clonduff.  Ballyholland will make it hard for Rostrevor but the reds should progress.  Leitrim v The Stone is a hard one to call, maybe just the Stone.  Bridge should have too much for the Point, likewise Saval should be fit for Ballymartin.  Castlewellan have been dire in the league and anything other than a Ford win would be a big surprise to me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 09, 2010, 09:39:11 AM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on June 08, 2010, 10:06:23 PM
Who all are in each of the Hurling Championships this year?

MORGAN MILK DOWN SENIOR HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP

Roinn 1   

(1)  Baile Crann (Ballycran)   V Liatroim (Liatroim)

(2)  Port An Phéire (Portaferry)  V Baile Mhic Uileagoid (Ballygalget)


DOWN INTERMEDIATE HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP

Preliminary Round

(A) Cill Cleithe (Kilclief)    V Seamrogai an Iuir (Shamrocks)

Roinn 1   

(1)  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint) V Winner (a)

(2)  Breadach (Bredagh)   V Baile Aileach (Ballela)


DOWN JUNIOR HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP   

Roinn 1   

(1)  Ceathru Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff ) V Baile an Mheirligh (Ballyvarley)

(2)  Caislean an Mhuillin (Castlewellan)  V Cluain Daimh (Clonduff)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 09, 2010, 09:46:00 AM
The senior championship draw does look pretty straight forward to me. Id fancy Kilcoo, Ford, Bridge, Saval, Longstone, Kngdom, Rostrevor, Burren. There should be some interesting draws in the next round I should think. Could be another keenly contested year.
Title: ACFL 2
Post by: No1 on June 09, 2010, 10:26:00 AM
Kilclief's senior football manager gone.  Anybody fancy a non paid, highly entertaining, ultimately soul destroying job? 

There surely will be at least 20 applicants going by all the slabbers experts who can be heard from the bank most Friday nights.   ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 09, 2010, 10:31:59 AM
What are the dates for the Hurling Championships?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 09, 2010, 10:48:02 AM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on June 09, 2010, 10:31:59 AM
What are the dates for the Hurling Championships?

Liatroim have still to inform the county board as to what dates suit them, so we'll have to wait on that information coming back from them before we find out.
Title: Re: ACFL 2
Post by: johnneycool on June 09, 2010, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: No1 on June 09, 2010, 10:26:00 AM
Kilclief's senior football manager gone.  Anybody fancy a non paid, highly entertaining, ultimately soul destroying job? 

There surely will be at least 20 applicants going by all the slabbers experts who can be heard from the bank most Friday nights.   ::)

Surely there's "'expenses" in line with Croke park directives or so Growler tells me!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on June 09, 2010, 11:57:59 AM
MORGAN MILK DOWN SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

Roinn 1   

1 Baile Cholmain (Ballyholland)   V Caislean Ruairi (Rostrevor)

2  Boireann (Burren)    V  Loch an Oileain (Loughinisland)

3  Liatroim (Liatroim)    V  Cloch Fhada (Longstone)

4  An Riocht (An Riocht)    V  Cluain Daimh (Clonduff)

5  Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge) V  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint)

6  Sabhaill (Saval)    V  Baile Ui Mhairtin (Ballymartin)

7  Dun Padraig (Downpatrick)  V   Cill Chua (Kilcoo)

8  Ath Bhriain (Bryansford )   V  Caislean an Mhuillin (Castlewellan)


AROUND-A-POUND DOWN INTERMEDIATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

Roinn 1   

(1)  Gleann (Glenn)    V  Clann na Banna (Clann na Banna)

(2)  Ard Ghlais (Ardglass)    V  Naomh Eoin (St John's)

(3)  Eanach Cluana (Annaclone)   V  Seamrogai an Iuir (Shamrocks)

(4)   Cros Darach ( Darragh Cross)  V  Ait ti Chathaill (Atticall)

(5)   Breadach (Bredagh)    V  Tulach Lis (Tullylish )

(6)  Dun Droma (Dundrum)    V  Ceathru Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff)

(7)  Droim Gath (Drumgath)    V  Naomh Padraig (Saul)

(8)  Cill Cleithe ( Kilclief)    V   Glasdromainn (Glasdrumman)



AROUND-A-POUND DOWN JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP   

Preliminary Round

(a)  Breachtain (Bright)   V  Baile Choinnleora (Ballykinlar)

(b)  Achadh Dearg (Aghaderg)   V  Naomh Michil (St Michaels)

(c)  Droim Bearach (Dromara)  V  Naomh Eoin Bosco (St John Bosco)
   

Roinn 1   

(1)  Winners (a)     V  Naomh Pol (St Pauls)

(2)  Winners (c)     V  Ti Chonnachta (Teconnaught)

(3)  Droim an Easa (Drumaness)  V  Misteiligh an Iuir (Mitchels)

(4)  Winners (b)     V  Achadh Lios na Finne (Aughlisnafin)


MORGAN MILK DOWN PREMIER RESERVE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

Roinn 1   

(1)  An Riocht (An Riocht)    V  Clann na Banna (Clann na Banna)

(2)  Caislean Ruairi (Rostrevor   V  Boireann (Burren)

(3)  Ceathtu Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff)  V  Naomh Eoin (St Johns)

(4)  Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge) V  Caislean an Mhuillin (Castlewellan )

(5)  Cill Chua (Kilcoo)     V  Ath Bhriain (Bryansford)

(6)  Liatroim (Liatroim)    V  Baile Ui Mhairtin (Ballymartin)

(7)  Baile Cholmain (Ballyholland)   V  Loch an Oileain (Loughinisland)

(8)  Dun Padraig (Downpatrick)  V  Eanach Cluana (Annaclone)



MORGAN MILK DOWN RESERVE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP   

(1)  Dromara/Mayobridge   v  Rostrevor

(2)  Atticall/Drumgath    v  Mitchels

(3)  Liatroim/Longstone    v  An Riocht

(4)  Castlewellan/Teconnaught  v Warrenpoint

(5)  Glasdrumman    v  Bright

(6)  Bryansford     v  Kilcoo

(7)  Ardglass     v  St John Bosco

(8)  St Johns    v  Bredagh/Shamrocks



MORGAN MILK DOWN MINOR "A" FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP   

Quarter Finals

1  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint) V  Boireann (Burren)

2  Seamrogai an Iuir (Shamrocks)  V  Dun Padraig (Downpatrick)

3  Ait ti Chathaill (Atticall) / Noamh Mhuire  V  Sabhaill (Saval) / Caislean Ruairi (Rostrevor)

4  Cill Chua (Kilcoo)     V  Ath Bhriain (Bryansford)



MORGAN MILK DOWN MINOR "B" FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP   

Quarter Finals

1  Baile Ui Mhartin     V  Droim Gath/Bredach

2  Noamh Colman's/Sabhall    V  An Cloch Fhada

3  Baile Cholmain/Droim an Easa   V  Loch an Oilean

4  Clann Na Banna     V  Noamh Pol/Droichead Mhaigh Eo


MORGAN MILK DOWN SENIOR HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP

Roinn 1   

(1)  Baile Crann (Ballycran)   V Liatroim (Liatroim)

(2)  Port An Phéire (Portaferry)  V Baile Mhic Uileagoid (Ballygalget)


DOWN INTERMEDIATE HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP

Preliminary Round

(A) Cill Cleithe (Kilclief)    V Seamrogai an Iuir (Shamrocks)

Roinn 1   

(1)  Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint) V Winner (a)

(2)  Breadach (Bredagh)   V Baile Aileach (Ballela)


DOWN JUNIOR HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP   

Roinn 1   

(1)  Ceathru Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff ) V Baile an Mheirligh (Ballyvarley)

(2)  Caislean an Mhuillin (Castlewellan)  V Cluain Daimh (Clonduff)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 09, 2010, 03:59:52 PM
Prediction League

Please wait till all matches dates is finalised maybe last week in July or early Aug

43 games in total.
19 first rounds in SFC, IFC and JFC.
12 Quarter finals in SFC, IFC  and JFC
6 Semi finals in SFC, IFC and JFC
6 Finals in SFC, IFC, JFC, PRFC, RFC and MFC.

Downfanatic, Bacon and Mid Down Gael is among the favourites to do well this year.
Mourne Rover, Amallon T O'Hare and supersub  among the dark horses to do well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on June 09, 2010, 06:10:43 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on June 08, 2010, 10:46:52 AM
This is taken from Down bye-laws 2010 as published on the Official Down GAA website, it's not exactly rocket science to interpret.


"3.7 The period of time during which Senior Inter-County Players shall not be expected to fulfil Inter-Club fixtures prior to Inter-County Championship games, in the same code, shall be as follows: 1. All-Ireland Finals- maximum 14 days; 2. All other games, with the exception of the preliminary/first round of the Ulster Senior Football Championship – maximum 7 days."
The above does indeed seem very straightforward.     However,  Benny Coulter is quoted in Dublin today with this:

Speaking at today's announcement of the OPEL/GPA Player Award winners, Footballer of the Month Benny Coulter says that the Mourne County are almost back to full strength.

"We have everyone back now and we have big Ambrose (Rodgers) back playing a club game this week, so far we have no injuries," he said.
Coulter added: "We have club games this Friday, but most of us won't be playing in them. Ambrose will probably get a game, and a few of the other the other lads who didn't get a game against Donegal.
"There will be 22 or 23 other lads who won't be playing at all, so thankfully that's that out of the road. Thankfully we are injury free from here on in, if we don't pick up any knocks at training."

Read more: http://breakingnews.ie/sport/rogers-set-for-down-return-460838.html#ixzz0qNOC4QPq
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 09, 2010, 08:38:33 PM
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My predictions:

SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP  Roinn  1   

1 Baile Cholmain (Ballyholland)   V Caislean Ruairi  (Rostrevor)-  Good game but bye bye the Harps
2  Boireann (Burren)    V  Loch an Oileain  (Loughinisland) - Bye Bye L'island
3  Liatroim (Liatroim)    V  Cloch Fhada  (Longstone)- Anotehr good game but bye bye Leitrim
4  An Riocht (An Riocht)    V  Cluain Daimh  (Clonduff)- Really good game.  A draw.
5  Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge) V  Rinn Mhic  Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint) Bye bye the Point
6  Sabhaill (Saval)    V  Baile Ui  Mhairtin (Ballymartin) Bye bye B'martin
7  Dun Padraig (Downpatrick)  V   Cill  Chua (Kilcoo) Bye bye D'patrick
8  Ath Bhriain (Bryansford )   V  Caislean an  Mhuillin (Castlewellan) Potentially teh best game of the round but bye bye The Town

INTERMEDIATE  FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP  Roinn 1   
(1)  Gleann (Glenn)     V  Clann na Banna (Clann na Banna)- Bye bye Glenn
(2)  Ard Ghlais (Ardglass)     V  Naomh Eoin (St John's)- Dontt know but will go for the Johnnies
(3)  Eanach Cluana (Annaclone)   V   Seamrogai an Iuir (Shamrocks)- Bye bye Shamrocks
(4)  Cros Darach ( Darragh Cross)   V  Ait ti Chathaill (Atticall)- Bye bye the Cross
(5)  Breadach (Bredagh)    V   Tulach Lis (Tullylish )- Bye bye Bredagh
(6)  Dun Droma (Dundrum)    V  Ceathru  Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff)-  Bye bye Dundrum
(7)  Droim Gath (Drumgath)    V  Naomh  Padraig (Saul).  Bye bye Saul
(8)  Cill Cleithe ( Kilclief)    V    Glasdromainn (Glasdrumman) Difficuly but will go for Glasdrumman

JUNIOR  FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP    Preliminary Round
(a)   Breachtain (Bright)   V  Baile Choinnleora (Ballykinlar) Who cares?  Will go for the Kinlar
(b)   Achadh Dearg (Aghaderg)   V  Naomh Michil (St Michaels) Bye bye Aghaderg
(c)   Droim Bearach (Dromara)  V  Naomh Eoin Bosco (St John Bosco)  If on Sunday then Bye bye Dromara

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 09, 2010, 09:51:07 PM
Rostrevor 2-8 An Rioct 1-7

John Clarke playing but no sign of Marty, Colgan or McVeigh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 09, 2010, 09:59:44 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 09, 2010, 09:51:07 PM
Rostrevor 2-8 An Rioct 1-7

John Clarke playing but no sign of Marty, Colgan or McVeigh

Fact of the matter is that county players are allowed to play in this series of fixtures. However, with the three above not playing in this game, have the county management asked some players not to tog out with their clubs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 09, 2010, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on June 09, 2010, 08:38:33 PM
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My predictions:

SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP  Roinn  1   

1 Baile Cholmain (Ballyholland)   V Caislean Ruairi  (Rostrevor)-  Good game but bye bye the Harps
2  Boireann (Burren)    V  Loch an Oileain  (Loughinisland) - Bye Bye L'island
3  Liatroim (Liatroim)    V  Cloch Fhada  (Longstone)- Anotehr good game but bye bye Leitrim
4  An Riocht (An Riocht)    V  Cluain Daimh  (Clonduff)- Really good game.  A draw.
5  Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge) V  Rinn Mhic  Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint) Bye bye the Point
6  Sabhaill (Saval)    V  Baile Ui  Mhairtin (Ballymartin) Bye bye B'martin
7  Dun Padraig (Downpatrick)  V   Cill  Chua (Kilcoo) Bye bye D'patrick
8  Ath Bhriain (Bryansford )   V  Caislean an  Mhuillin (Castlewellan) Potentially teh best game of the round but bye bye The Town

INTERMEDIATE  FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP  Roinn 1   
(1)  Gleann (Glenn)     V  Clann na Banna (Clann na Banna)- Bye bye Glenn
(2)  Ard Ghlais (Ardglass)     V  Naomh Eoin (St John's)- Dontt know but will go for the Johnnies
(3)  Eanach Cluana (Annaclone)   V   Seamrogai an Iuir (Shamrocks)- Bye bye Shamrocks
(4)  Cros Darach ( Darragh Cross)   V  Ait ti Chathaill (Atticall)- Bye bye the Cross
(5)  Breadach (Bredagh)    V   Tulach Lis (Tullylish )- Bye bye Bredagh
(6)  Dun Droma (Dundrum)    V  Ceathru  Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff)-  Bye bye Dundrum
(7)  Droim Gath (Drumgath)    V  Naomh  Padraig (Saul).  Bye bye Saul
(8)  Cill Cleithe ( Kilclief)    V    Glasdromainn (Glasdrumman) Difficuly but will go for Glasdrumman

JUNIOR  FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP    Preliminary Round
(a)   Breachtain (Bright)   V  Baile Choinnleora (Ballykinlar) Who cares?  Will go for the Kinlar
(b)   Achadh Dearg (Aghaderg)   V  Naomh Michil (St Michaels) Bye bye Aghaderg
(c)   Droim Bearach (Dromara)  V  Naomh Eoin Bosco (St John Bosco)  If on Sunday then Bye bye Dromara

Statements like this really get on my nerves..
Normally its posters from established senior clubs that come out with this arrogant tripe. It wasn't that long ago Bredagh were in Junior, struggling to get out of four
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 09, 2010, 10:30:10 PM
Not so sure about that Down Fanatic. I'm pretty sure the 4 star / 5 star system is the ultimate get out clause for county management.

I don't really have any problem with the first XV being held back from this round of fixtures to be honest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 09, 2010, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 09, 2010, 10:30:10 PM
Not so sure about that Down Fanatic. I'm pretty sure the 4 star / 5 star system is the ultimate get out clause for county management.

I don't really have any problem with the first XV being held back from this round of fixtures to be honest.

Does Bye Law 3.8 not hold the final say?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 09, 2010, 10:42:15 PM
That's a question for Wee Dan!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 09, 2010, 10:46:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 09, 2010, 10:42:15 PM
That's a question for Wee Dan!

;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 09, 2010, 11:01:45 PM
imagine if the three An Riocht boys could have being played, Poacher would have played them, as they are close to the relegation area off division 1. Persumably the four/five star system rules supreme
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 09, 2010, 11:12:11 PM
I have great sympathy for An Riocht in these starred games. They really suffer the most. They would beat Rostrevor 9 times out off ten with thier full quota off county men available. 1 Week is plenty in my view, a player can as easily get injured in training.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 10, 2010, 12:04:38 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 09, 2010, 11:01:45 PM
imagine if the three An Riocht boys could have being played, Poacher would have played them, as they are close to the relegation area off division 1. Persumably the four/five star system rules supreme

Without doubt he would have because I think he has complained before about how much they suffer. Still not sure what the arrangment was but im sure the county managment had some say in the other three not playing!

As for beating us 9 times out of 10, bit harsh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on June 10, 2010, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 09, 2010, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on June 09, 2010, 08:38:33 PM
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My predictions:

SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP  Roinn  1   

1 Baile Cholmain (Ballyholland)   V Caislean Ruairi  (Rostrevor)-  Good game but bye bye the Harps
2  Boireann (Burren)    V  Loch an Oileain  (Loughinisland) - Bye Bye L'island
3  Liatroim (Liatroim)    V  Cloch Fhada  (Longstone)- Anotehr good game but bye bye Leitrim
4  An Riocht (An Riocht)    V  Cluain Daimh  (Clonduff)- Really good game.  A draw.
5  Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge) V  Rinn Mhic  Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint) Bye bye the Point
6  Sabhaill (Saval)    V  Baile Ui  Mhairtin (Ballymartin) Bye bye B'martin
7  Dun Padraig (Downpatrick)  V   Cill  Chua (Kilcoo) Bye bye D'patrick
8  Ath Bhriain (Bryansford )   V  Caislean an  Mhuillin (Castlewellan) Potentially teh best game of the round but bye bye The Town

INTERMEDIATE  FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP  Roinn 1   
(1)  Gleann (Glenn)     V  Clann na Banna (Clann na Banna)- Bye bye Glenn
(2)  Ard Ghlais (Ardglass)     V  Naomh Eoin (St John's)- Dontt know but will go for the Johnnies
(3)  Eanach Cluana (Annaclone)   V   Seamrogai an Iuir (Shamrocks)- Bye bye Shamrocks
(4)  Cros Darach ( Darragh Cross)   V  Ait ti Chathaill (Atticall)- Bye bye the Cross
(5)  Breadach (Bredagh)    V   Tulach Lis (Tullylish )- Bye bye Bredagh
(6)  Dun Droma (Dundrum)    V  Ceathru  Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff)-  Bye bye Dundrum
(7)  Droim Gath (Drumgath)    V  Naomh  Padraig (Saul).  Bye bye Saul
(8)  Cill Cleithe ( Kilclief)    V    Glasdromainn (Glasdrumman) Difficuly but will go for Glasdrumman

JUNIOR  FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP    Preliminary Round
(a)   Breachtain (Bright)   V  Baile Choinnleora (Ballykinlar) Who cares?  Will go for the Kinlar
(b)   Achadh Dearg (Aghaderg)   V  Naomh Michil (St Michaels) Bye bye Aghaderg
(c)   Droim Bearach (Dromara)  V  Naomh Eoin Bosco (St John Bosco)  If on Sunday then Bye bye Dromara

Statements like this really get on my nerves..
Normally its posters from established senior clubs that come out with this arrogant tripe. It wasn't that long ago Bredagh were in Junior, struggling to get out of four
I am with you on that one you really should wise up to yourself onion bag.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 10, 2010, 04:03:01 PM
The following County Senior Footballers  are available to play for
their Clubs in All County League games this weekend.

Declan Alder  Carryduff
Ambrose Rogers Longstone
Mark Doran   Longstone
Liam Lennon Castlewellan
Luke Howard Bryansford
Stephen Kearney Saval
Conor Laverty Kilcoo
Paul Devlin Kilcoo
Aidan Carr Clonduff
Jason Brown Clonduff
Peter Fitzpatrick Ballymartin
Ronan Sexton Mayobridge
Ronan Murtagh Ballyholland
Miceal McCartan Liatroim
Cathal Murdock Burren
Anton McArdle Burren
Daniel McCartan Burren
Ciaran McGovern Burren
Kevin Duffin Castlewellan
Gary McArdle Annaclone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on June 10, 2010, 04:21:26 PM
QuoteThe following County Senior Footballers  are available to play for
their Clubs in All County League games this weekend.

Declan Alder  Carryduff
Ambrose Rogers Longstone
Mark Doran   Longstone
Liam Lennon Castlewellan
Luke Howard Bryansford
Stephen Kearney Saval
Conor Laverty Kilcoo
Paul Devlin Kilcoo
Aidan Carr Clonduff
Jason Brown Clonduff
Peter Fitzpatrick Ballymartin
Ronan Sexton Mayobridge
Ronan Murtagh Ballyholland
Miceal McCartan Liatroim
Cathal Murdock Burren
Anton McArdle Burren
Daniel McCartan Burren
Ciaran McGovern Burren
Kevin Duffin Castlewellan
Gary McArdle Annaclone

Gary McArdle isn't available, he got sent off against Banbridge, likely to get a month for striking
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 10, 2010, 04:22:23 PM
Quote from: off the laces on June 10, 2010, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 09, 2010, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on June 09, 2010, 08:38:33 PM
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My predictions:

SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP  Roinn  1   

1 Baile Cholmain (Ballyholland)   V Caislean Ruairi  (Rostrevor)-  Good game but bye bye the Harps
2  Boireann (Burren)    V  Loch an Oileain  (Loughinisland) - Bye Bye L'island
3  Liatroim (Liatroim)    V  Cloch Fhada  (Longstone)- Anotehr good game but bye bye Leitrim
4  An Riocht (An Riocht)    V  Cluain Daimh  (Clonduff)- Really good game.  A draw.
5  Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge) V  Rinn Mhic  Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint) Bye bye the Point
6  Sabhaill (Saval)    V  Baile Ui  Mhairtin (Ballymartin) Bye bye B'martin
7  Dun Padraig (Downpatrick)  V   Cill  Chua (Kilcoo) Bye bye D'patrick
8  Ath Bhriain (Bryansford )   V  Caislean an  Mhuillin (Castlewellan) Potentially teh best game of the round but bye bye The Town

INTERMEDIATE  FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP  Roinn 1   
(1)  Gleann (Glenn)     V  Clann na Banna (Clann na Banna)- Bye bye Glenn
(2)  Ard Ghlais (Ardglass)     V  Naomh Eoin (St John's)- Dontt know but will go for the Johnnies
(3)  Eanach Cluana (Annaclone)   V   Seamrogai an Iuir (Shamrocks)- Bye bye Shamrocks
(4)  Cros Darach ( Darragh Cross)   V  Ait ti Chathaill (Atticall)- Bye bye the Cross
(5)  Breadach (Bredagh)    V   Tulach Lis (Tullylish )- Bye bye Bredagh
(6)  Dun Droma (Dundrum)    V  Ceathru  Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff)-  Bye bye Dundrum
(7)  Droim Gath (Drumgath)    V  Naomh  Padraig (Saul).  Bye bye Saul
(8)  Cill Cleithe ( Kilclief)    V    Glasdromainn (Glasdrumman) Difficuly but will go for Glasdrumman

JUNIOR  FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP    Preliminary Round
(a)   Breachtain (Bright)   V  Baile Choinnleora (Ballykinlar) Who cares?  Will go for the Kinlar
(b)   Achadh Dearg (Aghaderg)   V  Naomh Michil (St Michaels) Bye bye Aghaderg
(c)   Droim Bearach (Dromara)  V  Naomh Eoin Bosco (St John Bosco)  If on Sunday then Bye bye Dromara

Statements like this really get on my nerves..
Normally its posters from established senior clubs that come out with this arrogant tripe. It wasn't that long ago Bredagh were in Junior, struggling to get out of four
I am with you on that one you really should wise up to yourself onion bag.
Add my support to that OTL and Dundrumite.
In the onion bag:Bright and Ballykinlar are proud GAA clubs,who have suffered in recent years due to small numbers.Their recent results hint that they may enjoy a resurgence in  success over the next few years.They provide a number of referees.They make their excellent facilities available for county team training,Bright's new grounds are probably in the top 5 in the county.Both clubs have played in the higher echelons of the Down leagues in the past,and have both played in the JFC final relatively recently.In the case of Ballykinlar they developed one of the greatest gaelic footballers of all time,who is still actively involved in the GAA-So in answer to your condescending question ,plenty of Gaels do care about Bright v Ballykinlar.PS I have no association with either club-just a genuine respect for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 10, 2010, 04:44:32 PM
Please see below the pricing arrangements for admission to Casement
Park for the Down v Tyrone Ulster Semi Final, this game is not an All
Ticket Fixture, in relation to covered Stand Tickets due to the
limited number of Tickets available to us we are only able to allocate
2 per Club, please indicate to me by 1.00 pm on Monday 14th June if
your Club wishes to take up its allocation of 2 Stand Tickets.

***Prices for this Fixture are confirmed as follows:***Covered Stand - €27 / £23
ALL STAND Tickets will be scanned at the stile.


Admission to the Terrace and Open Seating will be pay in on the day at
the following rate:
Uncovered Stand Adult - €25 / £21
Uncovered Stand Senior Citizen  - €15 / £13
Adult Terrace - €15 / £13
Juvenilles U16 are free into the Terrace and Open Seating
Senior Citizen Terrace- €10 / £9

ALL STAND Tickets will be scanned at the stile.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 10, 2010, 08:40:44 PM
The list of county squad members released to play for their clubs tomorrow night is worth a look. Ambrose is presumably on it because he needs gametime, and must still be in line to start at Casement Park. Peter Fitzpatrick, even after his fine display after coming on against Donegal, seems likely to stay on the bench against Tyrone.  However, if Darren O'Hagan has not been allowed to play club football after impressing as a sub in Ballybofey, he must be close to the first 15 next week. O'Hagan is very young for an Ulster semi, but he has strength, pace and is comfortable on the ball. Kevin McKernan will definitely be looking over his shoulder.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 10, 2010, 10:39:26 PM
Division 2 Result

Loughinisland 1-10 Saval 2-10

Stephen Kearney and Stephen Sands with the Saval goals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 11, 2010, 10:02:04 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 10, 2010, 04:22:23 PM
Quote from: off the laces on June 10, 2010, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 09, 2010, 10:00:11 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on June 09, 2010, 08:38:33 PM
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My predictions:

SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP  Roinn  1   

1 Baile Cholmain (Ballyholland)   V Caislean Ruairi  (Rostrevor)-  Good game but bye bye the Harps
2  Boireann (Burren)    V  Loch an Oileain  (Loughinisland) - Bye Bye L'island
3  Liatroim (Liatroim)    V  Cloch Fhada  (Longstone)- Anotehr good game but bye bye Leitrim
4  An Riocht (An Riocht)    V  Cluain Daimh  (Clonduff)- Really good game.  A draw.
5  Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge) V  Rinn Mhic  Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint) Bye bye the Point
6  Sabhaill (Saval)    V  Baile Ui  Mhairtin (Ballymartin) Bye bye B'martin
7  Dun Padraig (Downpatrick)  V   Cill  Chua (Kilcoo) Bye bye D'patrick
8  Ath Bhriain (Bryansford )   V  Caislean an  Mhuillin (Castlewellan) Potentially teh best game of the round but bye bye The Town

INTERMEDIATE  FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP  Roinn 1   
(1)  Gleann (Glenn)     V  Clann na Banna (Clann na Banna)- Bye bye Glenn
(2)  Ard Ghlais (Ardglass)     V  Naomh Eoin (St John's)- Dontt know but will go for the Johnnies
(3)  Eanach Cluana (Annaclone)   V   Seamrogai an Iuir (Shamrocks)- Bye bye Shamrocks
(4)  Cros Darach ( Darragh Cross)   V  Ait ti Chathaill (Atticall)- Bye bye the Cross
(5)  Breadach (Bredagh)    V   Tulach Lis (Tullylish )- Bye bye Bredagh
(6)  Dun Droma (Dundrum)    V  Ceathru  Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff)-  Bye bye Dundrum
(7)  Droim Gath (Drumgath)    V  Naomh  Padraig (Saul).  Bye bye Saul
(8)  Cill Cleithe ( Kilclief)    V    Glasdromainn (Glasdrumman) Difficuly but will go for Glasdrumman

JUNIOR  FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP    Preliminary Round
(a)   Breachtain (Bright)   V  Baile Choinnleora (Ballykinlar) Who cares?  Will go for the Kinlar
(b)   Achadh Dearg (Aghaderg)   V  Naomh Michil (St Michaels) Bye bye Aghaderg
(c)   Droim Bearach (Dromara)  V  Naomh Eoin Bosco (St John Bosco)  If on Sunday then Bye bye Dromara

Statements like this really get on my nerves..
Normally its posters from established senior clubs that come out with this arrogant tripe. It wasn't that long ago Bredagh were in Junior, struggling to get out of four
I am with you on that one you really should wise up to yourself onion bag.
Add my support to that OTL and Dundrumite.
In the onion bag:Bright and Ballykinlar are proud GAA clubs,who have suffered in recent years due to small numbers.Their recent results hint that they may enjoy a resurgence in  success over the next few years.They provide a number of referees.They make their excellent facilities available for county team training,Bright's new grounds are probably in the top 5 in the county.Both clubs have played in the higher echelons of the Down leagues in the past,and have both played in the JFC final relatively recently.In the case of Ballykinlar they developed one of the greatest gaelic footballers of all time,who is still actively involved in the GAA-So in answer to your condescending question ,plenty of Gaels do care about Bright v Ballykinlar.PS I have no association with either club-just a genuine respect for them.

Im goint to rally behind this too. Whoever said that initial comment should be ashamed. It screams of pure ignorance. Every club goes through a barren few years, especially in this county, there are plenty of examples. As I have said before the barren spells endured by Mayobridge and Kilcoo follwed by senior championships. It was only a few years ago the Finn were the whipping boys and now are putting results together. In 20years time theres no reason why Ballykinlar wont be in Div2 or even 1. Whatever success the club may have in the future it will no doubt be down to the Gaels that are supporting the club now, keeping it going when maybe its not the best team about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 11, 2010, 12:26:19 PM
QuoteIn 20years time theres no reason why Ballykinlar wont be in Div2 or even 1.

I agree with you. When they get all their lads back from Iraq and Afganistan they could be a real force again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 11, 2010, 02:48:58 PM
I can't understand why more hasn't been made of the situation involving our county senior team management over the past few days.

Despite clear rules being in place - County Bye Law 3.7 - and the fact that this series of fixtures is neither (**** or *****), Wee James and co have decided to prevent certain players from lining out for their clubs tonight. This is totally unlawful and is in clear breach of the rulebook.

Our county executive seemed to have rolled over and complied. What is the point in creating new rules and making them part of bye laws if county management teams are just going to go ahead and do what they want?

Disgrace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on June 11, 2010, 03:15:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 11, 2010, 02:48:58 PM
I can't understand why more hasn't been made of the situation involving our county senior team management over the past few days.

Despite clear rules being in place - County Bye Law 3.8 - and the fact that this series of fixtures is neither (**** or *****), Wee James and co have decided to prevent certain players from lining out for their clubs tonight. This is totally unlawful and is in clear breach of the rulebook.

Our county executive seemed to have rolled over and complied. What is the point in creating new rules and making them part of bye laws if county management teams are just going to go ahead and do what they want?

Disgrace.
Would be very difficult to do anything about it now that L'Island and Saval played last night. Cant imagine Saval forfeiting the two points at this stage.
Cant also understand how it wasn't down as possible starred game from the outset.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 11, 2010, 03:20:54 PM
Quote from: norabeag on June 11, 2010, 03:15:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 11, 2010, 02:48:58 PM
I can't understand why more hasn't been made of the situation involving our county senior team management over the past few days.

Despite clear rules being in place - County Bye Law 3.8 - and the fact that this series of fixtures is neither (**** or *****), Wee James and co have decided to prevent certain players from lining out for their clubs tonight. This is totally unlawful and is in clear breach of the rulebook.

Our county executive seemed to have rolled over and complied. What is the point in creating new rules and making them part of bye laws if county management teams are just going to go ahead and do what they want?

Disgrace.
Would be very difficult to do anything about it now that L'Island and Saval played last night. Cant imagine Saval forfeiting the two points at this stage.
Cant also understand how it wasn't down as possible starred game from the outset.

It wasnt down as a possible starred game in the first place because that would have contravened Bye Law 3.8.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on June 11, 2010, 03:44:45 PM
There are reports of a lot of discontent in Tyrone as a full round of championship fixtures have been postponed because of this game.  Mickey Harte has told the club managers to "step back and see the big picture"  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 11, 2010, 04:21:32 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 11, 2010, 02:48:58 PM
I can't understand why more hasn't been made of the situation involving our county senior team management over the past few days.

Despite clear rules being in place - County Bye Law 3.8 - and the fact that this series of fixtures is neither (**** or *****), Wee James and co have decided to prevent certain players from lining out for their clubs tonight. This is totally unlawful and is in clear breach of the rulebook.

Our county executive seemed to have rolled over and complied. What is the point in creating new rules and making them part of bye laws if county management teams are just going to go ahead and do what they want?

Disgrace.

Totally agree. Some clubs are suffering badly due to this. The size off squad at present also has to be questioned. Players where cut off the squad after the league and now as the championship is in full swing 6 or 7 new lads have been called up, some off them surely not on merit. Why train lads from January to May and drop them to replace them with men who were not deemed good enough in January?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on June 11, 2010, 06:05:00 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 11, 2010, 02:48:58 PM
I can't understand why more hasn't been made of the situation involving our county senior team management over the past few days.

Despite clear rules being in place - County Bye Law 3.8 - and the fact that this series of fixtures is neither (**** or *****), Wee James and co have decided to prevent certain players from lining out for their clubs tonight. This is totally unlawful and is in clear breach of the rulebook.

Our county executive seemed to have rolled over and complied. What is the point in creating new rules and making them part of bye laws if county management teams are just going to go ahead and do what they want?

Disgrace.

I think its 3.7 your referring to DF, 3.8 is a bye law outlining the CCC's job description.
Have to say that I think this shambolic c@ck up has just made the County Bye Laws a waste of time & paper, this now leaves a massive opening for rules to be challenged in future if they clearly wern't enforced on this occasion, I personally don't see the point in having bye laws if they are going to be ignored by the the powers that be/Senior team mangement when it suits them, joke!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on June 11, 2010, 08:52:19 PM
Result
Glenn 0-12
St. Johns 0-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 11, 2010, 09:08:14 PM
Bryansford 0-9 Mayobridge 2-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 11, 2010, 09:12:22 PM
Dundrum 1-08 Bredagh 0-11. Goal with theeee last kick of the game... Division 3 is as tight as a duck's arse at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on June 11, 2010, 09:58:37 PM
DIV3 RESULT

Drumgath 1-10
Carryduff   0-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on June 11, 2010, 10:21:26 PM
Div3: Saul 1-11 Bosco 1-10

Fair to say we escaped with this one against a strong Bosco side where we led just once in the game - at the only time that counts. Performance was poor though and Bosco will wonder how they left Saul with nothing.

Other Div 3 results from Down site:

Dundrum    1-8   0-11   Bredagh
Glenn    0-11   0-12   St Johns
Drumaness    0-14   3-14   Glasdrumman
Drumgath    1-10   0-9   Carryduff
Ardglass    1-7   0-10   Darragh Cross

With that - I have to agree with Dundrumite's assessment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 11, 2010, 11:03:16 PM
Remaining Division one results

Burren stuffed the town as expected

Liatriom 0-8 Longstone 1-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 11, 2010, 11:07:17 PM
Fuckin Referees!!!
How can the county board justify appointing angry wee pot-bellied men in black waddling about the pitch on friday nights who cant keep up with general play and dont actually know half the frickin rules?

<<off to the grinds my gears thread>>
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 12, 2010, 10:31:19 AM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on June 11, 2010, 10:21:26 PM
Div3: Saul 1-11 Bosco 1-10

Fair to say we escaped with this one against a strong Bosco side where we led just once in the game - at the only time that counts. Performance was poor though and Bosco will wonder how they left Saul with nothing.

Other Div 3 results from Down site:

Dundrum    1-8   0-11   Bredagh
Glenn    0-11   0-12   St Johns
Drumaness    0-14   3-14   Glasdrumman
Drumgath    1-10   0-9   Carryduff
Ardglass    1-7   0-10   Darragh Cross

With that - I have to agree with Dundrumite's assessment

Have to say am impressed with Saul, after horror start they had they are back in business, winning games by a point here and there (except us), fighting to the bitter end. At the minute their form resembles promotion material as opposed to relegation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 12, 2010, 02:17:03 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 11, 2010, 09:08:14 PM
Bryansford 0-9 Mayobridge 2-9

2.10 to 0.10??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 12, 2010, 02:21:56 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 11, 2010, 12:26:19 PM
QuoteIn 20years time theres no reason why Ballykinlar wont be in Div2 or even 1.

I agree with you. When they get all their lads back from Iraq and Afganistan they could be a real force again.

Not really sure if you're being really sarcastic there or not. Anyways, from talking to a few Ballykinlar men the problem was clear. He says its handy enough for clubs like ours to bring in young blood and keep them interested. But in Ballykinlar and these kinda places, they obviously have to contend with yer ones from the 'other side of the tracks' and young lads be playin soccer. We dont really have that problem in south Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on June 13, 2010, 02:57:29 PM
has no one noticed drumgaths progess
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 13, 2010, 07:35:44 PM
How did the Minor Hurlers do today vs Armagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saved the hay on June 13, 2010, 09:02:30 PM
well fellow Glenn supporters what the heck is going wrong with our senior team at the minute anybody with the inside story please enlighten me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 13, 2010, 09:14:00 PM
Div One result
Clonduff 3.9 Kilcoo 0.9

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leg End on June 13, 2010, 11:31:54 PM
Quote from: saved the hay on June 13, 2010, 09:02:30 PM
well fellow Glenn supporters what the heck is going wrong with our senior team at the minute anybody with the inside story please enlighten me

not a Glenn man myself. Just speculating that they have 4county minors. Are they missing and is that making the difference???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on June 13, 2010, 11:46:38 PM
Quote from: Leg End on June 13, 2010, 11:31:54 PM
Quote from: saved the hay on June 13, 2010, 09:02:30 PM
well fellow Glenn supporters what the heck is going wrong with our senior team at the minute anybody with the inside story please enlighten me

not a Glenn man myself. Just speculating that they have 4county minors. Are they missing and is that making the difference???

That is part of it but I don't think this team is any better than division 3.
With hard work and a bit of luck they could make the playoffs but they wouldn't be good enough for division 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on June 14, 2010, 12:57:25 AM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on June 13, 2010, 07:35:44 PM
How did the Minor Hurlers do today vs Armagh?

From the BBC

Armagh beat Down in the Ulster Minor Hurling semi-final


Armagh qualified for their first Ulster Minor Hurling Final in 77 years as they shocked Down 0-13 to 0-10 in Sunday's semi-final at Casement Park.
Down went into the game as strong favourites but Armagh produced an outstanding performance to clinch a deserved victory.
Conor McKee, Shay Gaffney and Conor Corvan were all superb for Armagh.
Armagh keeper Simon Doherty also produced a late diving save to prevent a Down goal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 14, 2010, 01:40:13 AM
Quote from: umpire on June 13, 2010, 09:14:00 PM
Div One result
Clonduff 3.9 Kilcoo 0.9

Really?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 14, 2010, 10:21:37 AM
div2 starting to look settled - annaclone getting back on track with their new signings it seems, plus kilclief get a win under new management?! great win for d'patrick who look in it for the long haul - 3 teams from top 4 look most likely to make play offs - any thoughts on bottom end??

Tullylish  0-11 0-14 Annaclone  Tullylish 11/06/2010 19:30   
Clann na Banna  0-12 0-11 Atticall  Clann na Banna 11/06/2010 19:30   
Warrenpoint  2-10 2-14 Downpatrick  Warrenpoint 11/06/2010 19:30   
Kilclief  0-13 1-9 Ballymartin  Kilclief 11/06/2010 19:30   
Loughinisland  1-10 2-10 Saval  Loughinisland 11/06/2010 19:30   
Ballyholland  2-14 3-4 Shamrocks  Ballyholland 11/06/2010 19:30
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on June 14, 2010, 11:03:57 AM
Still a very tight division and a couple of bad results could see a top 4 team slip way down whilst lower end teams could haul themselves up very easily. Think it is possibly too late for Houdini act from Kilcief but good result all the same.
Downpatrick definitely in for long haul and but for two last minute penalty misses earlier would be clear by now. All that  despite never having full panel available all season due to injury or unavailability, but I would imagine the same applies to every team in division.
League will be 3/4 over by holiday break and we will have a clearer picture then of how the land lies
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 14, 2010, 11:53:25 AM
Quote from: EagleLord on June 14, 2010, 01:40:13 AM
Quote from: umpire on June 13, 2010, 09:14:00 PM
Div One result
Clonduff 3.9 Kilcoo 0.9

Really?

Yeah really. First defeat to the yellows in a number off years for us. Poor second half showing cost us dearly but fair play to Clonduff, they exposed our weaknesses and fully deserved their win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Chief on June 14, 2010, 12:02:31 PM
wat happened at Darragh Cross at the weekend?

heard they had the changing rooms rammed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 14, 2010, 08:38:57 PM
Quote from: The Chief on June 14, 2010, 12:02:31 PM
wat happened at Darragh Cross at the weekend?

heard they had the changing rooms rammed?

It was in the Irish News today.
To sum it up, two complete knobheads drove into the club car park and sat parked in the car for a while, then they decided to start doing donuts in the car park, police were called, somebody closed the gates at the entrance to the club to trap the offenders, persisted in doing donuts and then realised they were locked in with one of the cronies videoing the whole narration, offenders then thought it would be smart to escape, so they headed straight for the closed gate and rammed through it, taking the gate and a gate post with them, got away initially and where then detained in Killyleagh.
(This is all when the Down Senior Camogie team were about to commence training)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on June 15, 2010, 12:39:23 AM
MY PREDICTIONS :)

SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP  Roinn  1   

1 Baile Cholmain (Ballyholland)   V Caislean Ruairi  (Rostrevor)- 
2  Boireann (Burren)    V  Loch an Oileain  (Loughinisland) -
3  Liatroim (Liatroim)    V Cloch Fhada  (Longstone)-
4  An Riocht (An Riocht)     V  Cluain Daimh  (Clonduff)- .
5  Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge) V  Rinn Mhic  Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint)
6  Sabhaill (Saval)    V  Baile Ui  Mhairtin (Ballymartin)
7  Dun Padraig (Downpatrick)  V   Cill  Chua (Kilcoo)
8  Ath Bhriain (Bryansford )    V  Caislean an  Mhuillin (Castlewellan) of the round but bye bye

INTERMEDIATE  FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP  Roinn 1   
(1)  Gleann (Glenn)     V  Clann na Banna (Clann na Banna)-
(2)  Ard Ghlais (Ardglass)     V  Naomh Eoin (St John's)-
(3)  Eanach Cluana (Annaclone)    V   Seamrogai an Iuir (Shamrocks)-
(4)  Cros Darach ( Darragh Cross)   V  Ait ti Chathaill (Atticall)-
(5)  Breadach (Bredagh)    V   Tulach Lis (Tullylish )-
(6)  Dun Droma (Dundrum)    V Ceathru  Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff)- 
(7)  Droim Gath (Drumgath)    V  Naomh  Padraig (Saul). 
(8) Cill Cleithe ( Kilclief)    V    Glasdromainn (Glasdrumman)

JUNIOR  FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP    Preliminary Round
(a)   Breachtain (Bright)   V  Baile Choinnleora (Ballykinlar)
(b)   Achadh Dearg (Aghaderg)   V 
(c)   Droim Bearach (Dromara)  V  Naomh Eoin Bosco (St John Bosco)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 15, 2010, 09:49:20 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on June 15, 2010, 12:39:23 AM
MY PREDICTIONS :)

SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP  Roinn  1   

1 Baile Cholmain (Ballyholland)   V Caislean Ruairi  (Rostrevor)- 
2  Boireann (Burren)    V  Loch an Oileain  (Loughinisland) -
3  Liatroim (Liatroim)    V Cloch Fhada  (Longstone)-
4  An Riocht (An Riocht)     V  Cluain Daimh  (Clonduff)- .
5  Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge) V  Rinn Mhic  Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint)
6  Sabhaill (Saval)    V  Baile Ui  Mhairtin (Ballymartin)
7  Dun Padraig (Downpatrick)  V   Cill  Chua (Kilcoo)
8  Ath Bhriain (Bryansford )    V  Caislean an  Mhuillin (Castlewellan) of the round but bye bye

INTERMEDIATE  FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP  Roinn 1   
(1)  Gleann (Glenn)     V  Clann na Banna (Clann na Banna)-
(2)  Ard Ghlais (Ardglass)     V  Naomh Eoin (St John's)-
(3)  Eanach Cluana (Annaclone)    V   Seamrogai an Iuir (Shamrocks)-
(4)  Cros Darach ( Darragh Cross)   V  Ait ti Chathaill (Atticall)-
(5)  Breadach (Bredagh)    V   Tulach Lis (Tullylish )-
(6)  Dun Droma (Dundrum)    V Ceathru  Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff)- 
(7)  Droim Gath (Drumgath)    V  Naomh  Padraig (Saul). 
(8) Cill Cleithe ( Kilclief)    V    Glasdromainn (Glasdrumman)

JUNIOR  FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP    Preliminary Round
(a)   Breachtain (Bright)   V  Baile Choinnleora (Ballykinlar)
(b)   Achadh Dearg (Aghaderg)   V 
(c)   Droim Bearach (Dromara)  V  Naomh Eoin Bosco (St John Bosco)

You need to repost this again in order to enter Prediction league in last week of july or 1st week of August depending how well Down does in Championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on June 15, 2010, 11:51:43 AM
Having seen most ot the games on tv last weekend and including some club games I think I'm in agreement with "Benny Coolter" the games are generally rubbish and defence orientated. Why should we pay exorbitant price to Ulster championship matches when the players themselves wouldn't? :o. Wonder will our Countyboard see a bit of sense come champ'ship time and consider reducing the prices in these tough financial times as gates seem to be falling rapidly bar 35k+ at Kerry /Cork?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on June 15, 2010, 11:57:04 AM
MY PREDICTIONS

SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP  Roinn  1   

1 Baile Cholmain (Ballyholland)   V Caislean Ruairi  (Rostrevor)- 
2 Boireann (Burren)    V  Loch an Oileain  (Loughinisland) -
3  Liatroim (Liatroim)    V Cloch Fhada  (Longstone)-
4  An Riocht (An Riocht)     V  Cluain Daimh  (Clonduff)- .
5  Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge) V  Rinn Mhic  Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint)
6  Sabhaill (Saval)    V  Baile Ui  Mhairtin (Ballymartin)
7  Dun Padraig (Downpatrick)  V   Cill  Chua (Kilcoo)
8 Ath Bhriain (Bryansford )    V  Caislean an  Mhuillin (Castlewellan) of the round but bye bye

INTERMEDIATE  FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP  Roinn 1   
(1)  Gleann (Glenn)     V  Clann na Banna (Clann na Banna)-
(2)  Ard Ghlais (Ardglass)     V  Naomh Eoin (St John's)-
(3)  Eanach Cluana (Annaclone)    V   Seamrogai an Iuir (Shamrocks)-
(4)  Cros Darach ( Darragh Cross)   V  Ait ti Chathaill (Atticall)-
(5)  Breadach (Bredagh)    V   Tulach Lis (Tullylish )-
(6)  Dun Droma (Dundrum)     V Ceathru  Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff)- 
(7)  Droim Gath (Drumgath)    V  Naomh  Padraig (Saul). 
( Cill Cleithe ( Kilclief)    V    Glasdromainn (Glasdrumman)
JUNIOR  FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP    Preliminary Round
(a)   Breachtain (Bright)   V  Baile Choinnleora (Ballykinlar)
(b)   Achadh Dearg (Aghaderg)    V 
(c)   Droim Bearach (Dromara)  V  Naomh Eoin Bosco (St John Bosco) 



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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on June 16, 2010, 09:02:37 PM
Hellooooo!!! Any one thereeeeee!!!Matches on Sunday plus full round of league gamessssss!!!! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 16, 2010, 09:19:22 PM
Longstone 1.7 Clonduff 2.16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on June 16, 2010, 09:43:39 PM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on June 15, 2010, 11:51:43 AM
Having seen most ot the games on tv last weekend and including some club games I think I'm in agreement with "Benny Coolter" the games are generally rubbish and defence orientated. Why should we pay exorbitant price to Ulster championship matches when the players themselves wouldn't? :o. Wonder will our Countyboard see a bit of sense come champ'ship time and consider reducing the prices in these tough financial times as gates seem to be falling rapidly bar 35k+ at Kerry /Cork?

If you didn't enjoy the games on tv the last few weekends then you probably should forget about the gaa. Some good football and decent scores with plenty of exciting finishes. Even the Fermanagh Cavan game was much better than expected. Far more entertaining than anything witnessed in the world cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 16, 2010, 10:08:56 PM
Any results from the hurling leagues tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 17, 2010, 08:46:16 AM
In Div 1 Kilclief beat Ballygalget by a couple of points & Liatroim beat Warrenpoint by a goal.

Div 2
Clonduff 1-14 0-12 Carryduff
Ballygalget 3-14 3-13 Bredagh
Ballyvarley 1-15 5-15 Portaferry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 17, 2010, 11:47:06 AM
what happened the much anticipated Ballela, Shamrocks contest?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 17, 2010, 04:40:58 PM
Ballela called it off on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 17, 2010, 11:18:59 PM
Division 1 Result

Kilcoo 0-7 Liatroim 0-8.

Terrible game with Kilcoo being abysmal to be truthful. Castlewellan going to need 5 league points to overtake the fontenoys now to avoid the automatic drop.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on June 18, 2010, 09:59:43 AM
(off topic) Could anyone post or email me some directions to St John's (Drumnaquoile) Pitch.  Pairc Naomh Eoin I think.
Will be travelling from Belfast direction so probably just need general directions from Ballynahinch.  I think you go towards Drumaroad?

Cheers, folks.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on June 18, 2010, 10:32:48 AM
Google Maps (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Ballynahinch&daddr=54.295791,-5.905838&hl=en&geocode=Fd8_PgMdEAum_ylbF1He6w1hSDH9DOX_k2CkyA%3BFe98PAMdUuKl_w&mra=ls&sll=54.295841,-5.905752&sspn=0.020387,0.053816&ie=UTF8&ll=54.337846,-5.876999&spn=0.040732,0.107632&z=13)

Basic diections are, follow Spa Road, turn left at the church, follow that road until you pass a white barn type building on the right, right directlty after that onto Drummaroad Hill Road. There should be a large water treatment plant to your right.
Follow that road and take the first left. Not sure what is sign posted but it has Red&Yellow paint on it and one of those As Gaelige Stickers.  Follow that road untill you reach a T junction. Turn left. Take the next left shortly up that road. Then follow that road, keeping a look out on the right. The ground is on a side road to the right hand side. here (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Ballynahinch&daddr=54.295791,-5.905838&hl=en&geocode=Fd8_PgMdEAum_ylbF1He6w1hSDH9DOX_k2CkyA%3BFe98PAMdUuKl_w&mra=ls&sll=54.295841,-5.905752&sspn=0.020387,0.053816&ie=UTF8&ll=54.295891,-5.905495&spn=0,0.107632&z=13&layer=c&cbll=54.295857,-5.905635&panoid=-iDw24U79lx0bh_9dQojfQ&cbp=12,318.72,,0,-1.17)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on June 18, 2010, 10:55:50 AM
Quote from: outinfront on June 18, 2010, 09:59:43 AM
(off topic) Could anyone post or email me some directions to St John's (Drumnaquoile) Pitch.  Pairc Naomh Eoin I think.
Will be travelling from Belfast direction so probably just need general directions from Ballynahinch.  I think you go towards Drumaroad?

Cheers, folks.

Are you the new steel supplier - i hear Watsons have run out. If you're coming in a 40 footer, you might be better headin into Clough and down thru the Fin. Them wee roads thru the Spa are narra esp if the beams are hanging out the back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on June 18, 2010, 11:02:26 AM
Thanks.  Ha ha not delivering any steel I'm afraid!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on June 18, 2010, 11:21:58 AM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on June 18, 2010, 10:55:50 AM
Quote from: outinfront on June 18, 2010, 09:59:43 AM
(off topic) Could anyone post or email me some directions to St John's (Drumnaquoile) Pitch.  Pairc Naomh Eoin I think.
Will be travelling from Belfast direction so probably just need general directions from Ballynahinch.  I think you go towards Drumaroad?

Cheers, folks.

Are you the new steel supplier - i hear Watsons have run out. If you're coming in a 40 footer, you might be better headin into Clough and down thru the Fin. Them wee roads thru the Spa are narra esp if the beams are hanging out the back.

I think Watsons still have plenty of steel down there!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on June 18, 2010, 11:24:13 AM
See Ambrose back in midfield for the game tomorrow with dan moved to the full forward position at the expense of Clarke.  Feel a bit sorry for Clarke - just hope Down dont resort to all out route one football with high deliveries into Dan.  Think we should be utilising our quick moving forwards as a priority and use Dan as a back up tactic.  Interesting to see how it goes!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaaddict on June 18, 2010, 11:40:02 AM
Basic diections are, follow Spa Road, turn left at the church, follow that road until you pass a white barn type building on the right, right directlty after that onto Drummaroad Hill Road. There should be a large water treatment plant to your right.
Follow that road and take the first left. Not sure what is sign posted but it has Red&Yellow paint on it and one of those As Gaelige Stickers.  Follow that road untill you reach a T junction. Turn left. Take the next left shortly up that road. Then follow that road, keeping a look out on the right. The ground is on a side road to the right hand side.

Should this not be turn right at the T junction???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on June 18, 2010, 11:54:46 AM
I think having Dan at FF will work in well, we have the option of lumping it in high to Dan, or we have the option of Benny and Marty Clarke running at them, both are quite potent (potentially). 

No doubt Tyrone will have a few sweepers to counter both though.  James will need to get it spot on, tomorrow will be a huge test of James' credentials.

It should be high scoring, hopefully win by 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 18, 2010, 12:54:23 PM
I think at the start they should be lumoing a few ball into Dan and if it doesn't work then I hope they don't persist in it. Would rather see O'Hagan in the half back line, he'd be a good man marker.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 18, 2010, 01:48:58 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 17, 2010, 11:18:59 PM
Division 1 Result

Kilcoo 0-7 Liatroim 0-8.

Terrible game with Kilcoo being abysmal to be truthful. Castlewellan going to need 5 league points to overtake the fontenoys now to avoid the automatic drop.

Went to the game. Think Liatroim didn't score for the entire 2nd half. Halftime score was 0-08 to 0-04.

The Kilcoo lineup was a far cry from the Championship winning XV of last year. Liatroim battled hard. Thought Aidan O'Prey and your boy Barney Middleton at the back were very impressive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on June 18, 2010, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on June 18, 2010, 12:54:23 PM
I think at the start they should be lumoing a few ball into Dan and if it doesn't work then I hope they don't persist in it. Would rather see O'Hagan in the half back line, he'd be a good man marker.

O'Hagan has been very impressive this year - think he will definitely be involved at some stage. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on June 18, 2010, 02:57:09 PM
aye it's right at that t junction, thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on June 18, 2010, 03:00:03 PM
Kilcoo game dire, liatroim only 2/3 shots in second half with all but O'Prey behind the ball and no support but big Austin will only be looking at the result not the aesthetics of the game and yes not a score in the second half from the Fontenoys. Kilcoo marginally better but not capable of breaking down Liatroims blanket or all out defence. Not direct and incisive enough and too many handpasses to get behind the Liatroim defence. Lavery and Brannigan missing for Kilcoo plus a couple of minors but Liatroim missing Doyle, McCrickard and McCartan. Tepid and turgid affair including the 6 mins of extra time ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on June 18, 2010, 03:05:56 PM
Should be 2 good matches 2moro. Minors need to be 100% committed to get past Tyrone anything less could spell disaster. The team looks organised and well balanced just hope the edge isn't taken off them with St Colmans exploits early in year. Senior game could really be fascinating battle with some very interesting match ups and it could well be down to which set of forwards capitalises on defensive frailities. I think the introduction of Maginn and Gordon could well swing its Downs way. :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 18, 2010, 04:28:04 PM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on June 18, 2010, 03:00:03 PM
Kilcoo game dire, liatroim only 2/3 shots in second half with all but O'Prey behind the ball and no support but big Austin will only be looking at the result not the aesthetics of the game and yes not a score in the second half from the Fontenoys. Kilcoo marginally better but not capable of breaking down Liatroims blanket or all out defence. Not direct and incisive enough and too many handpasses to get behind the Liatroim defence. Lavery and Brannigan missing for Kilcoo plus a couple of minors but Liatroim missing Doyle, McCrickard and McCartan. Tepid and turgid affair including the 6 mins of extra time ::)

Kilcoo where 8 panelists short when you include youngsters James McClean, Darragh OHanlon and Jerome Johnston, who would be much better than some off the other panelists that started. Nial McEvoy didnt start, Gary McEvoy, Marty McClean, Laverty, Brannigan and Ciaran McClean also missing. Its no excuse though, we where terrible and played with no directness while we kicked some bad wides and gave away possession too cheaply. As long as we learn from bad displays like this id be confident come August we will stil be a force to be reakoned with.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 18, 2010, 06:00:40 PM
Down Minor Team Vs Tyrone

 
1.Michael Cunningham                 Castlewellan
2.Declan Turley                          RGU Downpatrick
3.Gearard McGovern                    Burren
4.Denis Murtagh                         Glenn
5.Ryan Johnston                         Kilcoo
6.Darragh O'Hanlon                     Kilcoo
7.Paddy Boyle                            Castlewellan
8.Niall McParland (Capt.)              Glenn
9.Niall Donnelly                           Tullylish
10.Danny Savage                        Bryansford
11.Niall Madine                            Saval
12.Caolan Mooney                       Rostrevor
13.Shea McCartan                       Glenn
14.Jerome Johnston                    Kilcoo
15.Ryan O'Hare                           Ballymartin

Subs.
16.Kieran Maguire                          Aghaderg
17.Daryl Morgan                            Shamrocks
18.Eamon Magee                          Saval
19.Damien McKeown                     Shamrocks
20.James McClean                         Kilcoo
21.Colm Maginn                            Drumgath
22.Niall Cunningham                      Shamrocks
23.Oisin Lynch                              Shamrocks
24.Matty Bagnall                           Glenn


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 18, 2010, 09:30:16 PM
Bredagh beat by Ardglass by 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 18, 2010, 10:00:21 PM
ACFL Division 1
Castlewellan  0-8 1-16 Bryansford 
Burren  1-14 0-10 Rostrevor 
Mayobridge  0-19 2-4 An Riocht 
ACFL Division 2
Downpatrick  2-13 0-4 Clann na Banna   
Saval  2-14 1-7 Kilclief 
Annaclone  2-9 2-16 Ballyholland   
ACFL Division 3   
St John Bosco  3-11 0-10 Drumgath   
Bredagh  1-7 0-11 Ardglass
St Johns  1-16 2-5 Saul   
ACFL Division 4   
Dromara  1-8 1-10 St Pauls  Dromara
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 18, 2010, 10:15:22 PM
Down Division 3

Carryduff 0-09  Dundrum 0-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on June 18, 2010, 10:57:17 PM
have to agree with most of the comments made,Dan is a big plus in ff with Ambrose in with KK I just have to say I dont feel sorry for J Clarke he has not performed in the last three games and p mcCumisky the same two good men to spring from the bench. O Hagan did very well when he came on in Donegal would like to see him coming on in the half back line Kevin McKernan  will have to do better bit off a drama queen lately just get on with it Kevin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on June 19, 2010, 06:15:33 AM
Good luck to the Down senior and minor teams players and management today as thy battle Tyrone in the Ulster c'ships.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 19, 2010, 11:26:24 AM
Quote from: lucan on June 13, 2010, 02:57:29 PM
has no one noticed drumgaths progess

St John Bosco 3.11 Drumgath 0.10!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 19, 2010, 02:15:44 PM
Bredagh's u14 hurlers have qualified for the semi final of the Feile winning all three of the league games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 19, 2010, 09:02:01 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 19, 2010, 02:15:44 PM
Bredagh's u14 hurlers have qualified for the semi final of the Feile winning all three of the league games

they have reached the final, brilliant for us......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 19, 2010, 09:20:51 PM
Great acheivement, good to see the non-ards clubs flourishing at underage levels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on June 19, 2010, 09:27:13 PM
Cant understand that performance at all & honestly leaves me wondering what the management team were thinking at times......
Started like a team possessed destroying Tyrone in the opening 20 odd minutes, cutting through at will time & time again.
Then thought Kinneavey kept Tyrone in the contest with a totally biased performance that handed them the initiative going into half time in a 35 minute spell were they had been totally outplayed.
But Down were adding to thier own problems with a totally inept second half were we honestly looked like a Minor team who were clueless at times!! Too many passengers & decisions by James McCartan & Co to play a system of football that played straight into Tyrones hands. Colgan's man throughout the game ran the show be it Dooher or Penrose. Also why had Down only 1 forward in the entire Tyrone half in the second period at times??

McVeigh - Will be dissapointed with some of his kick outs.

Rafferty- Again Downs best defender, constantly caused Tyrone forwards to try an alternative route

McArdle- Done ok. Solid footballer but struggles with pace.

Rooney- Hard day for him & looks to be too slow for the full back line

McKernan- Started brilliantly. Won serious amount of break ball before he totally faded out of the game.

Colgan- Anonymous. Not good enough as the extra man to cause teams to think. His man Dooher was probably Tyrones best player.

Garvey- Thought he was doing well & how he got booked with incident with Sean Cavanagh was puzzling

Rodgers- Down dominated the middle in opening stages & his own score taking & bursting runs took the game to Tyrone. But faded.

King- Like Rodgers started well before Tyrone got to grips with the middle.

Hughes- Cant remember him doing a lot at all. Needs to take more responsibility & make his mark on the game.

Poland- Tried hard but missed free before halftime sealed his substitution.

Coulter- Tried hard showing brilliant glimpses of skill at times but is no danger to opposing defences when he's in the half forward line or his own half back line.

Maginn- Good first half & used ball well but was poor in the second

Gordon- Hasnt found form at all. One great catch but dropped far too many & too many times lost possession when under minimal pressure. Is not the answer at full forward.

Clarke- Poor is an understatement. Lazy tracking back, not good enough on the ball & created very little. Never troubled his man all day & all the hype is starting to wear off on him. For those who thought he was going to be Down footballs saviour, he most definitely is not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on June 19, 2010, 09:59:53 PM
Quote from: guevara on June 19, 2010, 09:27:13 PM
Cant understand that performance at all & honestly leaves me wondering what the management team were thinking at times......
Started like a team possessed destroying Tyrone in the opening 20 odd minutes, cutting through at will time & time again.
Then thought Kinneavey kept Tyrone in the contest with a totally biased performance that handed them the initiative going into half time in a 35 minute spell were they had been totally outplayed.
But Down were adding to thier own problems with a totally inept second half were we honestly looked like a Minor team who were clueless at times!! Too many passengers & decisions by James McCartan & Co to play a system of football that played straight into Tyrones hands. Colgan's man throughout the game ran the show be it Dooher or Penrose. Also why had Down only 1 forward in the entire Tyrone half in the second period at times??

McVeigh - Will be dissapointed with some of his kick outs.

Rafferty- Again Downs best defender, constantly caused Tyrone forwards to try an alternative route

McArdle- Done ok. Solid footballer but struggles with pace.

Rooney- Hard day for him & looks to be too slow for the full back line

McKernan- Started brilliantly. Won serious amount of break ball before he totally faded out of the game.

Colgan- Anonymous. Not good enough as the extra man to cause teams to think. His man Dooher was probably Tyrones best player.

Garvey- Thought he was doing well & how he got booked with incident with Sean Cavanagh was puzzling

Rodgers- Down dominated the middle in opening stages & his own score taking & bursting runs took the game to Tyrone. But faded.

King- Like Rodgers started well before Tyrone got to grips with the middle.

Hughes- Cant remember him doing a lot at all. Needs to take more responsibility & make his mark on the game.

Poland- Tried hard but missed free before halftime sealed his substitution.

Coulter- Tried hard showing brilliant glimpses of skill at times but is no danger to opposing defences when he's in the half forward line or his own half back line.

Maginn- Good first half & used ball well but was poor in the second

Gordon- Hasnt found form at all. One great catch but dropped far too many & too many times lost possession when under minimal pressure. Is not the answer at full forward.

Clarke- Poor is an understatement. Lazy tracking back, not good enough on the ball & created very little. Never troubled his man all day & all the hype is starting to wear off on him. For those who thought he was going to be Down footballs saviour, he most definitely is not.

His booking was a disgrace and meant he had to be careful for the rest of the game, which doesn't suit Garvey's style of play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 20, 2010, 12:14:16 AM
The Down county board should hang their heads in shame at reappointing the most inept management of a Down team ever on FIVE successive occasions.I refer to Mark Turley and co. whose commitment cannot be faulted but their lack of understanding and reading of the modern game have cost 50 or so young Down players all-Ireland medals.When you think of what Pete Mc Grath did with two teams at U21 level who had done nothing under Turley at minor and then look at today's team, coming down with talent and colleges medals, you have to say WTF ?Be it going for goals when they had plenty of time in Croke park last year against Mayo or not recognising that Tyrone were playing an extra man at full-back today, this is not good enough.The county board were ruthless with Ross - why does that not extend to the teams that make up our future ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 20, 2010, 12:35:40 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 20, 2010, 12:14:16 AM
The Down county board should hang their heads in shame at reappointing the most inept management of a Down team ever on FIVE successive occasions.I refer to Mark Turley and co. whose commitment cannot be faulted but their lack of understanding and reading of the modern game have cost 50 or so young Down players all-Ireland medals.When you think of what Pete Mc Grath did with two teams at U21 level who had done nothing under Turley at minor and then look at today's team, coming down with talent and colleges medals, you have to say WTF ?Be it going for goals when they had plenty of time in Croke park last year against Mayo or not recognising that Tyrone were playing an extra man at full-back today, this is not good enough.The county board were ruthless with Ross - why does that not extend to the teams that make up our future ?

Turley and Co brought an All Ireland title to Down at the first time of asking in 2005. Quite a significant achievement for a managerial rookie setup.

Last year they got a very middling team to an All Ireland Semi final when nobody expected them too. They also gave eventual champions Armagh the closest game they got all year.

And its safe to say that the end of product of of those two decent U-21 teams that you mention were nurtured for a couple of years and progressed by the current Minor management team.

You mention talent and colleges medals and the like. Just cause your team may be filled with boys with bagfuls of school's medals isnt necessarilly a recipe for success. St Michael's, Enniskillen have been a powerhouse at MacRory level during the past ten years but yet Fermanagh havent won a MFC game in 10 years.

To be honest I think they have done a grand job over the past five years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 20, 2010, 01:35:49 AM
Down minors had an outstanding squad in 05, but have underperformed since then. While we dominated the second half against Tyrone, it would be difficult to suggest that we got the best out of some fine individual talents. To be honest, the minor result was more disappointing than the senior, as it was a game which could and should have been won.

The senior match was an amazing switch from the brilliant in the first quarter to the dreadful thereafter. Most of us have seen Down teams collapse from time to time, but it is hard to recall a game which started with so much promise and ended in almost total dejection.

Ambrose was singled out for attention from Tyrone, and it seemed that his foot injury returned to leave him a virtual spectator after a fantastic opening period. In fairness, they lost O'Neill after about ten minutes, but they have more options than we do.

McVeigh had a couple of bad moments, but was not a big problem, and there were some decent performances in our full back line - particularly, as ever, from Rafferty. Rooney and McArdle were steady enough.

Our half back started well and then struggled. Colgan is good on the ball but does not mark at all, and his role will have to be reviewed. Garvey got a ludiicous booking which affected his game, and McKernan  looked great initially but faded very badly.

It was surprising that King rather than Ambrose was the first midfielder to go, as he had been competing well,  and we got even worse after he departed.

Poland got a brilliant early point and then missed a bad free just before half time, but he might feel that replacing him at the break was  a cop-out when the problems were elsewhere. Maginn was excellent in the first half and ran out of steam later on but Clarke obviously did not do himself justice. While we are asking a lot of a player who has only had two championship games. he never really adjusted to the pace and the demands of a USC semi.

Hughes also looked dangerous early on but was hit by a dreadful tackle before half-time and never really recovered. Gordon was reasonable from the start but was awful in the second half. Benny, like most of the others, was great in the first quarter but dropped too deep, tried too hard and was not really a serious factor when it counted.

Our management did not respond with anything like the effectiveness of their Tyrone counterparts at any stage. McComiskey played in flashes, but Fitzpatrick and O'Hagan made little difference, and it was odd to see Brown, who may not have touched the ball, and never featured in the league, introduced rather than Laverty or John Clarke.

It was a depressing day, and we will need a favourable draw in the qualifiers to extend our summer. If  we avoid Cork, and learn some hard lessons, you never know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on June 20, 2010, 08:04:58 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 20, 2010, 01:35:49 AM


It was a depressing day, and we will need a favourable draw in the qualifiers to extend our summer. If  we avoid Cork, and learn some hard lessons, you never know.

If my memory serves me correct the 8 beaten provincial semi-finalists go into 1 pot and the remaining 8 counties from the 1st round qualifiers go into another so we can't get cork until the next round where the 8 winners of that round of qualifiers will face an open draw and the 4 winners will then play the 4 provincial r-up. i think this is the format so we could play armagh if they were to beat donegal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on June 20, 2010, 09:39:00 AM
think you are a bit harsh on the minor manager,you well know that no manager would instruct his team to go for goals, last years semi against Mayo might have been won but some of te players panicked after ten minutes of the second half and at least one shot for goal from about 25m,how can a management legislate for that? and yesterday the goal conceded whilst well executed arrived when Down had a player on the floor injured,and people who saw the second half highlights claim that one of young Mooneys efforts crossed the line,last year an umpire at the Ulster final apologised to Bagnall from Glenn after he signalled a wide ball when in fact it had stayed in play and Bagnall had shot to the net and the 'goal' ruled out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 20, 2010, 11:17:38 AM
Down minor management had a great first year backboned by a brilliant side. Talk to many off these players and they will tell you Colgan and Clarke basically run this team. Ever since this, management have had teams with great potential and failed. No provincial glory and some off their selections have been baffling. they have had 6 seasons and its now time for change and with the players we have had we should have had more success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 20, 2010, 12:29:00 PM
Every year the Down minor management gets blamed and people call for their heads but how can they be blamed for young players buckling under pressure or just sheer bad luck.. Down had plenty of chances to win the game yesterday.. They missed a few handy frees and the Tyrone keeper pulled off a brilliant save. Remember this panel was late being assembled due to St Colmans and St Malachys late involvement in schools football and i believe the management have done thier best job and were extremley unlucky!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on June 20, 2010, 02:17:17 PM
Your point is ..............
ah yes give them the job as long as they want it - great for standards yes. a la  pete mc grath , paddy o'rourke great idea

even better than giving neil collins under 21 job .........

now the seniors i will collect my thoughts and articulate them soon to you all , but i'll tell you now the gael is not happy at all......


                                       the gael takes no prisoners
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on June 20, 2010, 03:05:28 PM
As has been stated, the 2005 minor team were a talented squad with many leaders - mind you they lost an Ulster final they should have won and that was the first sign that management, rather than players, was the problem.Obviously they deserved another chance in 06 and possibly 07 but badly underperformed.Since then the signs were clear that there was an absence of a cool calculating head on the sidelines.Jerome Johnstone was the obvious choice since then but I agree with the Gael that it was the same sloppy thinking that led to Neill Collins' appointment which kept the current minor regime in place.
If you were Mc Parland, Mooney, O'Hanlon,O'Hare or Mc Cartan you would be pretty angry at losing out ;some of them will be there next year so let's hope sense prevails.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 20, 2010, 03:54:35 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 19, 2010, 09:02:01 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 19, 2010, 02:15:44 PM
Bredagh's u14 hurlers have qualified for the semi final of the Feile winning all three of the league games

they have reached the final, brilliant for us......

the boys lost in the final to raharney 1-3 to 4-7, they have done their club proud
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 20, 2010, 04:27:54 PM
Quote from: Caitlin on June 20, 2010, 03:05:28 PM
As has been stated, the 2005 minor team were a talented squad with many leaders - mind you they lost an Ulster final they should have won and that was the first sign that management, rather than players, was the problem.Obviously they deserved another chance in 06 and possibly 07 but badly underperformed.Since then the signs were clear that there was an absence of a cool calculating head on the sidelines.Jerome Johnstone was the obvious choice since then but I agree with the Gael that it was the same sloppy thinking that led to Neill Collins' appointment which kept the current minor regime in place.
If you were Mc Parland, Mooney, O'Hanlon,O'Hare or Mc Cartan you would be pretty angry at losing out ;some of them will be there next year so let's hope sense prevails.

The players will be angry with themselves for not taking the chances that came their way!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 20, 2010, 07:32:53 PM
Hard to know where I stand on the minor management. On one hand it seems the yare living off 2005, a side that could have managed itself nearly. Since then have done very little, bar another talented 2009 squad. And then o nthe other hand, the players are the ones that kick the ball, they miss the scoreable frees and give the ball away. As far as the managers job is concerned, once the whistle blows theres not alot he can do, the players time to do their job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on June 21, 2010, 08:43:26 AM
The minor management have a particularly tough job too get the team prepared especially if any of the school teams get a run and also with exams. This though is similar for all minor squads in each county, we do not have a monopoly on this. The fact is though the management have had 6 years and only won 1 trophy, granted it was the All-Ireland but we lost 2 Ulster championship finals. I think rather than being shoved they should step down and be thanked for the sterling work they put in but like an old school report I think it will read, "Tried hard, could have done better, results don't lie, potential not realised". A fresh face/management team would do no harm but maybe the County board and the current mangement might feel they have done well and are content with the last 6 years results???
Seniors can only be described as pathetic, stopped after 18 mins, Harte had the the measure of us from the sideline, he responded, mixed and matched and eventually wore us into the ground. We could do with some of his tactical nous, the players should also regroup and then try to play for 70 mins rather then  their short sharp burst. Canavan could be right we may have not been fit enough also. And McHugh and Burns nailed it when they said we hadn't the mental strength and belief that is required to win at this higher level. Overall a dissappointing and poor weekend for Down atleast we didn't boo ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 21, 2010, 09:37:58 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 20, 2010, 03:54:35 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 19, 2010, 09:02:01 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 19, 2010, 02:15:44 PM
Bredagh's u14 hurlers have qualified for the semi final of the Feile winning all three of the league games

they have reached the final, brilliant for us......

the boys lost in the final to raharney 1-3 to 4-7, they have done their club proud

A very good showing from the Bredagh lads. Heard they'd some very good forwards in their midst which will be a must to make inroads at adult level which isn't a million miles away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on June 21, 2010, 11:06:49 AM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on June 21, 2010, 08:43:26 AM
The fact is though the management have had 6 years and only won 1 trophy, granted it was the All-Ireland but we lost 2 Ulster championship finals.
Seniors can only be described as pathetic, stopped after 18 mins, Harte had the the measure of us from the sideline,

My only comment on the mnors is that at 8 points down and with the wind behind us we were still persisting with a sweeper!!!! Release these lads from negative tactics and let them express themselves as the good footballers they are.

The seniors were poor in the second half yet we had the scorable frees and goal chances that could have pput Tyrone away so keep that persepective. We have made progress with this team but our sideline were outfoxed by the master of the blanket game and the seasoned players on the Tyrone team had the guile to execute his plan to the letter - and still we were only a kick or two away. So take the positives, I believe we will do well in the qualifiers provided we allow Clarke & Benny to operate in the danger zone.
Is is jusy me or did we play better earlier in the season without Dan Gordon?
Maybe when he comes back to form he could stay at No. 8 and push Ambrose into a more forward role.
I think our full back line particularly McArdle & Rafferty is doing well enough to get rid of the sweeper and use Colgan in place of McKernan at wing back with Rooney at CHB. Maybe give McGovern another go in the corner.
Keep the faith - we are not far away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on June 21, 2010, 12:19:59 PM
I am going a bit off topic here, after the weekend's action but I hear that the two ex Aghaderg players that were transfered to Annaclone have had their transfered retracted. It has transpired that their transfers were illegal and they are now not permitted to play for Annaclone. This will surely have some serious repercussions for the 2 involved and the Annaclone club. If I am correct Annaclone gained 5 points out of a possible 6 with the players involvement, drawing with Saval and beating both Clann Na Banna and Tullylish. Surely these clubs will deem that Annaclone gained an unfair advantage during these 3 games and will want the County Board to act on this.

Does anyone have a comment on this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on June 21, 2010, 01:35:10 PM
what club are you with Down mad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 21, 2010, 01:35:34 PM
Quote from: Down Mad on June 21, 2010, 12:19:59 PM
I am going a bit off topic here, after the weekend's action but I hear that the two ex Aghaderg players that were transfered to Annaclone have had their transfered retracted. It has transpired that their transfers were illegal and they are now not permitted to play for Annaclone. This will surely have some serious repercussions for the 2 involved and the Annaclone club. If I am correct Annaclone gained 5 points out of a possible 6 with the players involvement, drawing with Saval and beating both Clann Na Banna and Tullylish. Surely these clubs will deem that Annaclone gained an unfair advantage during these 3 games and will want the County Board to act on this.

Does anyone have a comment on this?

what happened, was their caravan not permanent enough?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on June 21, 2010, 05:21:36 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 21, 2010, 01:35:34 PM
Quote from: Down Mad on June 21, 2010, 12:19:59 PM
I am going a bit off topic here, after the weekend's action but I hear that the two ex Aghaderg players that were transfered to Annaclone have had their transfered retracted. It has transpired that their transfers were illegal and they are now not permitted to play for Annaclone. This will surely have some serious repercussions for the 2 involved and the Annaclone club. If I am correct Annaclone gained 5 points out of a possible 6 with the players involvement, drawing with Saval and beating both Clann Na Banna and Tullylish. Surely these clubs will deem that Annaclone gained an unfair advantage during these 3 games and will want the County Board to act on this.

Does anyone have a comment on this?

what happened, was their caravan not permanent enough?
They forgot to take the wheels of her............
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on June 21, 2010, 07:11:59 PM
Quote from: Leo on June 21, 2010, 11:06:49 AM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on June 21, 2010, 08:43:26 AM
The fact is though the management have had 6 years and only won 1 trophy, granted it was the All-Ireland but we lost 2 Ulster championship finals.
Seniors can only be described as pathetic, stopped after 18 mins, Harte had the the measure of us from the sideline,

My only comment on the mnors is that at 8 points down and with the wind behind us we were still persisting with a sweeper!!!! Release these lads from negative tactics and let them express themselves as the good footballers they are.

The seniors were poor in the second half yet we had the scorable frees and goal chances that could have pput Tyrone away so keep that persepective. We have made progress with this team but our sideline were outfoxed by the master of the blanket game and the seasoned players on the Tyrone team had the guile to execute his plan to the letter - and still we were only a kick or two away. So take the positives, I believe we will do well in the qualifiers provided we allow Clarke & Benny to operate in the danger zone.
Is is jusy me or did we play better earlier in the season without Dan Gordon?
Maybe when he comes back to form he could stay at No. 8 and push Ambrose into a more forward role.
I think our full back line particularly McArdle & Rafferty is doing well enough to get rid of the sweeper and use Colgan in place of McKernan at wing back with Rooney at CHB. Maybe give McGovern another go in the corner.
Keep the faith - we are not far away.

Gordon has been very poor since his return in my opinion. Many thought the move to put him in at FF was a great idea but my reservations were confirmed on Saturday. He doesnt make his stamp on games at all & to me doesnt look fit at all. Its ok lumping ball in if he is going to win it but he failed to do that either. To me it looks like James trying to accommodate players because of their name & not their performances.
We simply cant outfox teams like Tyrone using the sweeper system (Or even Armagh when it counts) especially when your sweeper Colgan causes no problems whatsoever to the opposition & is far safe to make any impact on the game! Look at Joe McMahon for Tyrone.....was getting skinned by Benny early doors then gets swithched out the field to act as their sweeper & runs down the field & thumps the ball over from 40 yards.
We have too many boys that turn up once every 3 or 4 games & not enough men who genuinely can take on their men & get scores.
It as clear that if Tyrone bottled up Coulter Down would struggle & in the end Tyrone didnt even have to do that as Down failed to put any sort of decent ball into him.
I sympathise with Martin Clarke at times. Us Down folk have him built up to be some Messiah & at the minute the fella is struggling to make any sort of contribution to games at all. He never once tried to run his man on Saturday & his selection of pass at times was very poor.
Tyrone were prepared to work like demons creating space until the right option was on  & this was evident through the contribution of Dooher who seemed to always find space. Down on the other hand preferred to keep 10-13  men behind the ball & ultimately this was a massive mistake.
Although Kinneavey was shockingly poor & dragged Tyrone back into it I felt that Down shouldve took off Colgan introduced another defender & went man for man in defense & took the game to Tyrone. But the second half just screamed negative football from both sides to me & was very hard to watch!!
But in a strange way maybe this is what is needed to expose some of the cracks that were being covered over against poorer teams & hopefully a good run in the qualifiers will come!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 21, 2010, 10:46:53 PM
It would be wrong to single out Colgan, as others had worse days than he did on Saturday, but he has not been particularly effective in our last three games. He did get injured at Croke Park, he was in and out in Ballybofey, and at best he produced a mixed display at Casement. He nearly always uses the ball well when he gets it, but pace - even in a free role - is a problem. Resting him, along with a couple of others, may freshen things up in the open draw.

It was very hard to watch in the second half on Saturday, but we simply did not have the know-how to deal with Tyrone either on the pitch or on the line. It may not be a fair comparison, but, on the last occasion when we played Tyrone in a USC semi at Casement, in 1999, they were an up and coming young side and we destroyed them. They went away, regrouped and were AI champions within four years. We are nowhere near that level, but a place in the last eight within the next couple of seasons is still a realistic target.

McVeigh did not have a great time with his kick-outs against Tyrone, but on balances deserves to stay in nets. Dan McCartan can be expected to return at corner back, and he deserves his chance on his league form. Rafferty is a certainty in the other corner, and it would be premature to drop McArdle when he is still learning the ropes at full back.

Rooney might make the switch to wing half, with Garvey worth a look at centre half, and Carr, assuming he is fit, coming in as the other wing half, where he would give us a useful option with his free-taking.

Big Dan has been poor since his return, but he must come good at some stage and would be worth another try at midfield with King.

Placing Ambrose and Fitzpatrick as wing half forwards would give us a solid platform, and both are capable of taking a score or moving back to midfield. Marty Clarke should really have been replaced at Casement, but it was still only his second championship match and he might benefit from having two ball winners outside him.

Maginn is one our our hardest workers, and gets back to cover the defence effectively, which leaves Benny and Hughes as a two man full forward line.

So it could be - McVeigh; McCartan, McArdle, Rafferty; Rooney, Garvey, Carr; King, Gordon; Rogers, M Clarke, Fitzpatrick; Hughes, Coulter, Maginn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on June 22, 2010, 09:08:28 AM
So it could be - McVeigh; McCartan, McArdle, Rafferty; Rooney, Garvey, Carr; King, Gordon; Rogers, M Clarke, Fitzpatrick; Hughes, Coulter, Maginn

As usual Mourne Rover you give us plenty to think about but I would definitely play young Clarke nearer the goal. Maginn is a better playmaker and will win breaking ball.

Rodgers, Maginn, Fitzpatrick begins to look like Carr, Blaney, Mason which was a fair enough half forward line in the days!
I think Daniel McCartan is out for season so corner back options might need a fresh look. I am assuming Howard is not near fit and that Cole (for why?) isn't figuring and that's why I'd take another look at McGovern.

A bench that includes Colgan, McKernan, John Clarke, Laverty, Poland and O'Hagan also looks strong and I'd still prefer Alder to McVeigh in goal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2010, 12:23:32 PM
"Rodgers, Maginn, Fitzpatrick begins to look like Carr, Blaney, Mason"
Im gobsmacked.
i always thought we were a little short sighted us Down folk, but not fuckin blind.
Im failing to see the comparison.
For me Fitzpatrick isnt up to it YET.
Doesnt dominate club games the way an intercounty standard midfielder should.
If your not doing it week in week out for your club ie Murtagh, Hughes, Coulter, Rafferty then i dont know how your going to cope at intercounty senior.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on June 22, 2010, 12:46:12 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2010, 12:23:32 PM
"Rodgers, Maginn, Fitzpatrick begins to look like Carr, Blaney, Mason"
Im gobsmacked.
i always thought we were a little short sighted us Down folk, but not fuckin blind.
Im failing to see the comparison.
For me Fitzpatrick isnt up to it YET.
Doesnt dominate club games the way an intercounty standard midfielder should.
If your not doing it week in week out for your club ie Murtagh, Hughes, Coulter, Rafferty then i dont know how your going to cope at intercounty senior.
ha ha! You got it spot on! Blaney was a legend and the other 2 were pivitol to us winning 2 All-Irelands. Ambrose may have pushed for a place on that line but not the other 2, not yet anyway
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on June 22, 2010, 04:17:01 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on June 22, 2010, 12:46:12 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2010, 12:23:32 PM
"Rodgers, Maginn, Fitzpatrick begins to look like Carr, Blaney, Mason"
Im gobsmacked.
i always thought we were a little short sighted us Down folk, but not fuckin blind.
Im failing to see the comparison.
For me Fitzpatrick isnt up to it YET.
Doesnt dominate club games the way an intercounty standard midfielder should.
If your not doing it week in week out for your club ie Murtagh, Hughes, Coulter, Rafferty then i dont know how your going to cope at intercounty senior.
ha ha! You got it spot on! Blaney was a legend and the other 2 were pivitol to us winning 2 All-Irelands. Ambrose may have pushed for a place on that line but not the other 2, not yet anyway

Ha ha ha indeed.#
The whole county was gobsmacked when Pete pulled Carr from half back and Mason from corner back to compliment Blaney inwhat became the dynamic engine of out 2 All-Ireland wins. We will hardly ever unearth another Blaney but Maginn is the closest thing to a decent CHF we have seen in the county for some time, Ambrose goes without saying and the potential of Fitzpatrick will only be realised when he gets a run in the team.
How do we make winning team selections?
I think it's called vision.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on June 22, 2010, 04:18:31 PM
Oh and by the way I said "begins to look like" .......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on June 22, 2010, 06:00:02 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on June 22, 2010, 12:46:12 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2010, 12:23:32 PM
"Rodgers, Maginn, Fitzpatrick begins to look like Carr, Blaney, Mason"
Im gobsmacked.
i always thought we were a little short sighted us Down folk, but not fuckin blind.
Im failing to see the comparison.
For me Fitzpatrick isnt up to it YET.
Doesnt dominate club games the way an intercounty standard midfielder should.
If your not doing it week in week out for your club ie Murtagh, Hughes, Coulter, Rafferty then i dont know how your going to cope at intercounty senior.
ha ha! You got it spot on! Blaney was a legend and the other 2 were pivitol to us winning 2 All-Irelands. Ambrose may have pushed for a place on that line but not the other 2, not yet anyway

Spot on assesment!! When he played against my own Club only a few weeks ago Fitzpatrick got cleaned out around the middle by a young fella who wouldnt have started last year!!
You have to be dominating in club games otherwise you arent going to dominate your opponent in County games. Fitzpatrick has fantastic potential but like the majority of players that come through from U-21, he has found it a lot tougher at Senior level & I dont think he warrants a place. He is a bit like McComiskey in the sense that aas soon as a fella has a poor game he is mentioned as a replacement without ever backing it up with performances.

My team would be:

McVeigh
Rafferty
McArdle
McCartan (Or another)
Garvey
Carr
Rooney
King
Rodgers
Hughes
Maginn
Murtagh
Clarke
Coulter
Brown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2010, 06:00:08 PM
I think there may be a lack of vision in some cases on here, blindness in fact.
Forget about the past Down players, that breed of player is gone, its a different game now.
We should be looking to unearth a few Joe Mc Mahons more than anything else, players that are solid in a littany of positions, can play off both feet, are comfortable on the ball, can field, tackle, take scores. For Me Joe Mc Mahon epitomises what the Gaelic footballer of today should be all about.
Maybe its just me but i think that not enough of our players are dominating or standing out for their clubs (at mediocre levels in some cases). Im only using him as an example but for a potential intercounty midfielder someone like Peter Fitzpatrick would want to be dominating most opponents and games for his club.
It gets tiresome year after year talking about the potential of our players. Its high time some of them delivered upon potential, the majority have been around county teams quite a while and are yet to really deliver. Potential and speculation about players abilities have done f*ck all for us as far as i can see. Sorry to piss on your parade Leo but just dont agree with your post at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on June 22, 2010, 07:43:56 PM
Didn't see the Irish News today, were there any underage hurling fixtures for the week ahead?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 22, 2010, 09:11:24 PM
I see the CCC have 'apologised' for their latest c**k up. From the county meeting minutes:

'In the absence of John Devaney, the Runai dealt with any matters regarding County Football Teams. Hugh Morgan, Liatroim and Sean O Rourke, An Riocht were both critical of the effect that the starred games system was having on their particular Clubs. It was accepted that the County Bye Laws had not been properly applied in relation to a series of fixtures after the Donegal game and this had been accepted as a mistake by CCC.'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 22, 2010, 10:48:28 PM
Brick, you say of our senior squad that `the majority have been around county teams quite a white and are yet to really deliver', but the individual you single out for criticism is Peter Fitpatrick. He is 22 and has started just one championship game for Down, when he was played out of position at full forward. You may be tired of references to potential, but until he has completed at least a handful of matches at midfield or possibly wing half forward, we cannot judge him on anything else. Fitzpatrick did well when he came on in Ballybofey, but was not introduced until the dying stages at Casement when we were already a well beaten side, so the argument is that, while unproven and still inconsistent, he is worth at least a couple of starts.

You say that we should unearth more players who are like Joe McMahon, and are solid in all positions, can play off both feet, are comfortable on the ball, and can takle and take scores. That would be brilliant. Can you name a few who have been mysteriously excluded from the county squad to date ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on June 22, 2010, 11:02:22 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 21, 2010, 10:46:53 PM
McVeigh did not have a great time with his kick-outs against Tyrone, but on balances deserves to stay in nets. Dan McCartan can be expected to return at corner back, and he deserves his chance on his league form. Rafferty is a certainty in the other corner, and it would be premature to drop McArdle when he is still learning the ropes at full back.

Rooney might make the switch to wing half, with Garvey worth a look at centre half, and Carr, assuming he is fit, coming in as the other wing half, where he would give us a useful option with his free-taking.

Big Dan has been poor since his return, but he must come good at some stage and would be worth another try at midfield with King.

Placing Ambrose and Fitzpatrick as wing half forwards would give us a solid platform, and both are capable of taking a score or moving back to midfield. Marty Clarke should really have been replaced at Casement, but it was still only his second championship match and he might benefit from having two ball winners outside him.

Maginn is one our our hardest workers, and gets back to cover the defence effectively, which leaves Benny and Hughes as a two man full forward line.

So it could be - McVeigh; McCartan, McArdle, Rafferty; Rooney, Garvey, Carr; King, Gordon; Rogers, M Clarke, Fitzpatrick; Hughes, Coulter, Maginn.

Mourne Rover, I think you should be advising the County selectors.  I always appreciate your considered analysis and again on thsi team selection although I remain to be convinced about Fitzpatrick.

I hope this blessing from the blacksheep ITOB doesn't com back on you.  If it does it reflects more on detractors than its will on you.  Keep  up the quality analysis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2010, 11:17:06 PM
I merely used Peter Fitzpatrick as an example, wasnt having a dig or singling him out for criticism. Im not arguing that he doesnt deserve a couple of starts but talking of him and a few others in the same breath as Blayney, Mason & co is just ridiculous and unfair.
I stick to my point that not enough of these players are dominating or shining for their clubs week in week out. Maybe says more for the standard of our leagues and club games.
Players like Joe Mc Mahon dont exist in Down as far as i can see, that kind of player needs to be  be grown, nurtured and brought along from a very young age with adequate coaching from decent mentors.
I wont even go into the minors and their management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 22, 2010, 11:51:00 PM
Fair enough Brick, but I never mentioned Fitzpatrick as comparable to Blaney or Mason. The point Leo was making was that switching Carr and Mason, who were ball winners and fine footballers,  from defence to wing half forwards was the making of the 1991 side, which is difficult to dispute.

I think you may be writing off some of our younger players as potential midfielders far too quickly. If you look at the 91 team, Burns was a late developer and did not get into the county set-up until his mid-20s while Breen made his name as a defender before he was switched to midfield when around 23. Most midfielders do not mature until their mid-20s anyway, so there is plenty of time to decide whether or not Fitzpatrick is good enough for the position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on June 22, 2010, 11:53:33 PM
I think its wrong to get carried away with the likes of Joe McMahon! He hast been Tyrones free man in their past 2 games & has played well given that. But when he was actually asked to mark players he has struggled. He got a bit of a roasting off CJ McGourty when on him in the Antrim game & had to be moved & Benny was torturing him before he was moved out the field on Saturday so its wrong to potry him as the mould of the modern footballer! Give me a Paul Galvin, Declan O'Sulliavn or Gooch anyday!

I think if we hadve actually played someone on Joe McMahon & forced him to defend then we mightve had a better chance of winning. He is very good as the free man in the sense that he uses the ball well, is capable of carrying it & commiting opponents when needed & as evident kick scores. Unfortunately Colgan cant do very any these as effectively & I genuinely think Saturday showed that we arent as good or composed at playing counter attacking football as the likes of Tyrone. Armagh etc.
To be honest Tyrone were toying with Down at the end retaining posseion & awaiting their openings. Only way we were gonna put them under serious pressure was by going man for man & taking the game to them , not sitting with 12 men behind the ball putting balls into Paul McComiskey & expecting him to get scores.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on June 23, 2010, 12:02:00 AM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on June 22, 2010, 07:43:56 PM
Didn't see the Irish News today, were there any underage hurling fixtures for the week ahead?

Yes there were a few. I can't for the life of me understand why these underage hurling fixtures can't find their way to the local papers for publishing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 23, 2010, 10:55:02 PM
Any results from the Hurling league? Nothing on the web site.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on June 23, 2010, 11:38:18 PM
Bredagh beat Portaferry; Crans beat Liatroim handy enough; Point beat Ballyvarley by 2 and our match is back to monday evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on June 24, 2010, 09:02:46 AM
Quote from: guevara on June 22, 2010, 06:00:02 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on June 22, 2010, 12:46:12 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2010, 12:23:32 PM
"Rodgers, Maginn, Fitzpatrick begins to look like Carr, Blaney, Mason"
Im gobsmacked.
i always thought we were a little short sighted us Down folk, but not fuckin blind.
Im failing to see the comparison.
For me Fitzpatrick isnt up to it YET.
Doesnt dominate club games the way an intercounty standard midfielder should.
If your not doing it week in week out for your club ie Murtagh, Hughes, Coulter, Rafferty then i dont know how your going to cope at intercounty senior.
ha ha! You got it spot on! Blaney was a legend and the other 2 were pivitol to us winning 2 All-Irelands. Ambrose may have pushed for a place on that line but not the other 2, not yet anyway

Spot on assesment!! When he played against my own Club only a few weeks ago Fitzpatrick got cleaned out around the middle by a young fella who wouldnt have started last year!!
You have to be dominating in club games otherwise you arent going to dominate your opponent in County games. Fitzpatrick has fantastic potential but like the majority of players that come through from U-21, he has found it a lot tougher at Senior level & I dont think he warrants a place. He is a bit like McComiskey in the sense that aas soon as a fella has a poor game he is mentioned as a replacement without ever backing it up with performances.

My team would be:

McVeigh
Rafferty
McArdle
McCartan (Or another)
Garvey
Carr
Rooney
King
Rodgers
Hughes
Maginn
Murtagh
Clarke
Coulter
Brown
Think i would set them up like this:
McVeigh
McCartan
Mccardle
Rafferty
Carr
M Clarke
Garvey
Rogers
King
Hughes
Gordon
Maginn
J Clarke
Coulter
McComisky
Have Dan drop into midfield, Clarke drop to half forward and Marty Clarke spreading passes setting up attacks from Half back/Midfield
Rodgers able to push forward as we would have cover around the middle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: batman on June 24, 2010, 11:34:30 PM
Mc Veigh
Howard
Cole
Rafferty
Garvey
Murphy
Hanna
King
Rodgers
Hughes
Clarke
Maginn
McComiskey
Clarke/Fitzpatrick/Gordon
Coulter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 25, 2010, 08:33:14 AM
Quote from: batman on June 24, 2010, 11:34:30 PM
Mc Veigh
Howard
Cole
Rafferty
Garvey
Murphy
Hanna
King
Rodgers
Hughes
Clarke
Maginn
McComiskey
Clarke/Fitzpatrick/Gordon
Coulter

Playing Fitzpatrick or Gordon at 14 is not the way to go at all. Did you not watch the match last week? Having a big man in there only leads to pumping balls in high. Ye know rightly its just goin to lead to thumping them in high and mighty in the hope that they might get on it, aimless. Down played really well for 20mins when the ball was in fast, low, early and to the men in front. When they moced Gordon into the full forward line, I knew the game was over, that was so infuriating. The only team and I mean only team that can play the whole long high ball in, is kerry. And that is because they have someone exceptional in there like Donaghy, no other team are as effective. Any other team that tries it is just kicking the ball away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 25, 2010, 11:28:22 AM
Quote from: EagleLord on June 25, 2010, 08:33:14 AM
Quote from: batman on June 24, 2010, 11:34:30 PM
Mc Veigh
Howard
Cole
Rafferty
Garvey
Murphy
Hanna
King
Rodgers
Hughes
Clarke
Maginn
McComiskey
Clarke/Fitzpatrick/Gordon
Coulter

Playing Fitzpatrick or Gordon at 14 is not the way to go at all. Did you not watch the match last week? Having a big man in there only leads to pumping balls in high. Ye know rightly its just goin to lead to thumping them in high and mighty in the hope that they might get on it, aimless. Down played really well for 20mins when the ball was in fast, low, early and to the men in front. When they moced Gordon into the full forward line, I knew the game was over, that was so infuriating. The only team and I mean only team that can play the whole long high ball in, is kerry. And that is because they have someone exceptional in there like Donaghy, no other team are as effective. Any other team that tries it is just kicking the ball away.

100% agree. If Tyrone can deal with Donaghy and Walsh 2008 then they can pretty much deal with anyone playing that tactic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 25, 2010, 03:40:55 PM
Fair play to Conor Laverty for sending that young lad home in Kilcoo.. He helped save his life!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2010, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 25, 2010, 03:40:55 PM
Fair play to Conor Laverty for sending that young lad home in Kilcoo.. He helped save his life!!!

+1. Laverty is a great young coach and always has the childrens health and welfare as priority. It was gr8 work off him to firstly realise the situation and in getting the lad to hospital.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 25, 2010, 05:10:39 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2010, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 25, 2010, 03:40:55 PM
Fair play to Conor Laverty for sending that young lad home in Kilcoo.. He helped save his life!!!

+1. Laverty is a great young coach and always has the childrens health and welfare as priority. It was gr8 work off him to firstly realise the situation and in getting the lad to hospital.

And thats the end of my Kilcoo praising for the year/life ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on June 25, 2010, 09:22:29 PM
Div 3
H.T.
Dundrum 0.06
Darragh cross 0.08

F.T.
Dundrum 0.14
Darragh cross 0.11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on June 25, 2010, 09:26:01 PM
HT
Glenn 0-9
Bosco 0-3

FT
Glenn 0-10
Bosco 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 25, 2010, 09:28:56 PM
Friday 25th June 2010

ACFL Division 1

Liatroim  0-10 3-10 Burren  Liatroim Round 13 
Longstone  0-9 2-10 Bryansford  Longstone Round 13
Clonduff  4-10 1-10 Castlewellan  Clonduff Round 13 
An Riocht  0-12 1-8 Kilcoo  Bryansford Round 13

ACFL Division 2

Kilclief  0-11 2-8 Annaclone  Kilclief Round 15 
Warrenpoint  1-10 0-12 Atticall  Warrenpoint Round 15 
Tullylish  0-13 0-16 Shamrocks  Tullylish Round 15 
Ballyholland  2-13 1-8 Downpatrick  Ballyholland Round 15

ACFL Division 3

Drumgath  4-13 1-12 Bredagh  Drumgath Round 15 
Drumaness  0-12 1-6 St Johns  Drumaness Round 15 
Ardglass  1-14 2-8 Glasdrumman  Ardglass Round 15

ACFL Division 4

Mitchels  0-10 0-8 Teconnaught  Mitchels Round 14 
St Pauls  1-13 0-14 Ballykinlar  St Pauls Round 14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 25, 2010, 09:30:33 PM
Ardglass beat Glasdrumman by 3
Carryduff beat Saul by 6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 25, 2010, 11:25:42 PM
Div one
Rostrevor 1.8 Mayobridge 0.16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on June 26, 2010, 11:13:03 AM
3 Castlewellan players carried off and taken to hospital last night with bad injuries- when things are against you they really are against you!!! That's  5 serious injuries in the last 3 games as well as 2 minor ones on top of Kevin Duffin and Aidy Burns. div 2 is now a certainty.

Was a good game last night vs Clonduff, terrible mistakes lead to all 4 of their goals and that was the difference- for 50 minutes the Town looked like they were going to win. don't know who the Clonduff 11 or 7 were but both had excellent games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 26, 2010, 02:55:02 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on June 26, 2010, 11:13:03 AM
3 Castlewellan players carried off and taken to hospital last night with bad injuries- when things are against you they really are against you!!! That's  5 serious injuries in the last 3 games as well as 2 minor ones on top of Kevin Duffin and Aidy Burns. div 2 is now a certainty.

Was a good game last night vs Clonduff, terrible mistakes lead to all 4 of their goals and that was the difference- for 50 minutes the Town looked like they were going to win. don't know who the Clonduff 11 or 7 were but both had excellent games
Paul McPolin and Darren O'Hagan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 26, 2010, 07:57:03 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2010, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 25, 2010, 03:40:55 PM
Fair play to Conor Laverty for sending that young lad home in Kilcoo.. He helped save his life!!!

+1. Laverty is a great young coach and always has the childrens health and welfare as priority. It was gr8 work off him to firstly realise the situation and in getting the lad to hospital.

Whats this?? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on June 28, 2010, 11:05:52 AM
The All-Ireland SFC qualifier round 2 draw is:

Kildare or Antrim v Leitrim

Dublin v Tipperary

Cork v Cavan

Offaly v Waterford

Galway or Sligo v Wexford

Fermanagh v Armagh

Down v Longford

Westmeath v Derry

Has to be seen as a good draw especially with home advantage but need to be careful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Any craic on June 28, 2010, 02:42:35 PM
http://www.vimeo.com/12914990// - top, top action from Parc Esler!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on June 30, 2010, 12:16:35 PM
anyone a list of this weeks fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on June 30, 2010, 01:02:53 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on June 30, 2010, 12:16:35 PM
anyone a list of this weeks fixtures?


Wed 30th June(7 30)
O Neills ACHL Div 1
Warrenpoint v Ballygalget(N Morgan)
Ballycran v Ballela(L Quinn)
Portaferry v Shamrocks(HP Mc Cusker)
Ballyvarley v Liatroim(K Mc Guiness)
O Neills ACHL Div 2[/b]
Warrenpoint v Carryduff(D Kearns)
Ballygalget v Clonduff(H Torney)
Castlewellan v Portaferry(D Carr)
Bredagh v Ballycran(M Blair)
Fri July 2nd(7 30)
O Neills ACFL Div 1
Bryansford v Liatroim(C Reynolds)
Kilcoo v Burren(N Cousins) In Castlewellan
Mayobridge v Longstone(G Tumelty)
Clonduff v Rostrevor(HP Mc Cusker)
An Riocht v Castlewellan(B Rice)
O Neills ACFL Div 2
Downpatrick v Loughinisland(K Trainor)
Ballymartin v Clann na Banna(P Toner)
Saval v Tullylish(S Flynn)
Shamrocks v Kilclief(B Andrews)
Annaclone v Warrenpoint(D Laverty)
Atticall v Ballyholland(L Morgan)
O Neills ACFL Div 3
Glasdrumman v Saul(J Burns)
Carryduff v Glenn(P Gelston)
St John Bosco v Dundrum(A Grant)
Darragh Cross v Drumgath(J Killen)
Bredagh v Drumanness(P Mc Dade)
St Johns v Ardglass(M Rawlinson)
O Neills ACFL Div 4
Bright v Mitchels(J Mc Mullan)
Aughlisnafinn v Teconnaught(C Mc Alinden)
Ballykinlar v St Micheals(J Trainor)
Aghaderg v Dromara(M Devlin)
Sun 4th July(2 00)
O Neills ACPRL Div1
Mayobridge v Castlewellan
Rostrevor v An Riocht
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Burren v Saval
Clonduff v Loughinisland
O Neills ACPRL Div 2
Liatroim v Bredagh
Carryduff v Downpatrick(6 00)
Tullylish v Clann na Banna
Ballyholland v Ballymartin
St Johns v Annaclone
Mon July 5th(7 30)
O Neills ACFL Div 4
St Micheals v Aughlisnafinn(D Moore)
O Neills ACHL Div 1
Bredagh v Kilclief(S Mc Greevy)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on July 01, 2010, 05:15:50 AM
An Riocht  0-12 1-8 Kilcoo  Bryansford Round 13

Great win for An Riocht last Friday night, missing two Starters and key forwards.
Tough hitting game of football, good psychical battles all over the field. Martin Clarke moved to Midfield 2nd half and player an absolute stormer.

Although Kilcoo Number 4 should have seen the line for what was an off the ball elbow to the back of the an riocht half back's head, shocking bitta play, left the player in a bad way, forcing him off,  waited till the man had turned his back an sneaked up, disgracefull!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 01, 2010, 11:41:53 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on July 01, 2010, 05:15:50 AM
An Riocht  0-12 1-8 Kilcoo  Bryansford Round 13

Great win for An Riocht last Friday night, missing two Starters and key forwards.
Tough hitting game of football, good psychical battles all over the field. Martin Clarke moved to Midfield 2nd half and player an absolute stormer.

Although Kilcoo Number 4 should have seen the line for what was an off the ball elbow to the back of the an riocht half back's head, shocking bitta play, left the player in a bad way, forcing him off,  waited till the man had turned his back an sneaked up, disgracefull!

The same thing happened our corner forward against the magpies on Sunday... an unprovoked elbow away from the play resulted in him recieving x rays on his eye socket and spending two days in daisy hill...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on July 01, 2010, 12:24:50 PM
The kingdom player was left very dazed and unaware of what had happened! Surely there shud be neutral umpires and linesmen at all games to ensure there are fair decisions. The kilcoo lines looked on an smiled, its things like that, that really gets the blood boiling  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 01, 2010, 01:14:08 PM
Ludacris. This type of thing will continue to happen. Sure theres only the ref, 1 man, if he doesnt see it, he cant really do anything about it. There should be 3 neutral officials at all games, end off, (or maybe just in games where kilcoo is playin...) :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on July 01, 2010, 01:21:19 PM
and where are you going to get all these neutral officials from?
Is it only for senior games?
Situation is not ideal but no practical solution
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on July 01, 2010, 02:33:19 PM
Its hard enough getting refs never mind umpires and linesmen, plus county board doesn't want to pay them for championship matches this summer, cut backs or something? Have to say there does seem to be a bit of thuggery coming back into the game and every club has there so called "hardmen". I'm a wee bit surprised by the actions of Longstone players especially 6 and the big sub 22 (caught the Fords young midfielder with an off ball haymaker). To be fair to Stone 6 he wouldn't be known as a dirty player but the punches and grappling etc dished out to Maginn was unacceptable and very unlike them. Could there new manager be looking for this more dirty off the ball incidents, heard their training has involved some more dubious tactics in recent times, come back Frank all is forgiven!!? Stone are always hard but fair and in recent years have been known as a good football side, just would hate to see them and indeed any club, and we all have these type of players, resorting to this behaviour. Let the coachs, managers and committees nip these off ball incidents in the bud they have no place in the game particularly if refs can't keep up with play or choose not to see such incidents. Its a coincidence that the ref in the Stone game was from Kilcoo and as the mellee ensued he decided to stand 70 yards away for the 2 odd mins and then proceed to book the two boys standing nearest him, while the culprits get off scott free!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 01, 2010, 04:12:33 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 01, 2010, 11:41:53 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on July 01, 2010, 05:15:50 AM
An Riocht  0-12 1-8 Kilcoo  Bryansford Round 13

Great win for An Riocht last Friday night, missing two Starters and key forwards.
Tough hitting game of football, good psychical battles all over the field. Martin Clarke moved to Midfield 2nd half and player an absolute stormer.

Although Kilcoo Number 4 should have seen the line for what was an off the ball elbow to the back of the an riocht half back's head, shocking bitta play, left the player in a bad way, forcing him off,  waited till the man had turned his back an sneaked up, disgracefull!

The same thing happened our corner forward against the magpies on Sunday... an unprovoked elbow away from the play resulted in him recieving x rays on his eye socket and spending two days in daisy hill...

Some people very quick to get a dig at the county champions here without true descriptions off what led to both incidents. All i can say with regard the two players in question is what goes around comes around. I disagree with lads getting injured off the ball but the incidents where provoced and the Bridge and Kingdom players started both incidents only to come off worst. The Kilcoo players where wrong for their actions but it must be said the two players that came off worst have a history off bad behaviour on the field off play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on July 01, 2010, 06:47:47 PM
What game were you at MDG, young devlin pulled the an riocht man to the ground and as soon as both were cautioned, devlin ran off with his tail between his legs and let the number 4 take the kingdom man out!

And county champions, if thats the ways yous win your titles, no thanks you. DISGRACEFULL

Who was the two that came off worse MR Kilcoo can do no wrong?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on July 01, 2010, 09:10:36 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 01, 2010, 04:12:33 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 01, 2010, 11:41:53 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on July 01, 2010, 05:15:50 AM
An Riocht  0-12 1-8 Kilcoo  Bryansford Round 13

Great win for An Riocht last Friday night, missing two Starters and key forwards.
Tough hitting game of football, good psychical battles all over the field. Martin Clarke moved to Midfield 2nd half and player an absolute stormer.

Although Kilcoo Number 4 should have seen the line for what was an off the ball elbow to the back of the an riocht half back's head, shocking bitta play, left the player in a bad way, forcing him off,  waited till the man had turned his back an sneaked up, disgracefull!

The same thing happened our corner forward against the magpies on Sunday... an unprovoked elbow away from the play resulted in him recieving x rays on his eye socket and spending two days in daisy hill...

Some people very quick to get a dig at the county champions here without true descriptions off what led to both incidents. All i can say with regard the two players in question is what goes around comes around. I disagree with lads getting injured off the ball but the incidents where provoced and the Bridge and Kingdom players started both incidents only to come off worst. The Kilcoo players where wrong for their actions but it must be said the two players that came off worst have a history off bad behaviour on the field off play.

Your totally wrong there MDG, I was at the match on Sun and seen with my own eyes what was going on, there was a bit of pushing and shoving going on and that wee albino tosser swung his elbow round in to young Galllaghers eye. The P***k could have blinded him. But you seem to think he got what he deserved! And i dont know what you're talking about him having a bad record for, the lad has hardly ever been booked in his life never mind sent off! Oh aye another one of your dirty B*****ds got the line too for head butting, I suppose his man deserved it also. Catch a grip man!!! It was only last week one of your own players got a bad doing against Saval,  so did he deserve it also???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on July 01, 2010, 09:18:29 PM
I have to step in here Kilcoo are great ambassadors for our county.It is the standard of referrees that is the problem here , i was at the kilcoo / stone game and what young devlin had to put up with that day was unreal - pure thuggerry from the stone , i don't like thugs and really the stone need to be watched more closely with their off the ball stuff,
Regards an riocht they must be trying the same type of stuff as their neighbours , this needs to stop. kilcoo are a tough team but in no way are they thugs but the mourne sides of late have introduced  off the ball tactics - referees need a zero tolerance . i must say some of the stone lads should be ashamed of themselves of late , they are being too gullible by listening to whoever is promoting this stuff.
If the stone want to pay for street fighting / pub fighting stuff from whoever good luck to them.
the stone will never bully kilcoo so for heavens sake stop trying the street pub fighting stuff , real gaels don't do that - the real tough men never did that. so just ensure refs get tough with the stone.


                                              the gael takes no prisoners !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 01, 2010, 09:45:44 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on July 01, 2010, 06:47:47 PM
What game were you at MDG, young devlin pulled the an riocht man to the ground and as soon as both were cautioned, devlin ran off with his tail between his legs and let the number 4 take the kingdom man out!

And county champions, if thats the ways yous win your titles, no thanks you. DISGRACEFULL

Who was the two that came off worse MR Kilcoo can do no wrong?

Well as county champions we have not had one player red carded this season. We won out title with pure hard work, togetherness and determination. This particular kingdon player has a reputation for foul play and we have seen it at first hand down the years. He got took out off the ball which i previously said was wrong but he took another off our players out prior to this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 01, 2010, 09:53:37 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on July 01, 2010, 09:10:36 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 01, 2010, 04:12:33 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 01, 2010, 11:41:53 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on July 01, 2010, 05:15:50 AM
An Riocht  0-12 1-8 Kilcoo  Bryansford Round 13

Great win for An Riocht last Friday night, missing two Starters and key forwards.
Tough hitting game of football, good psychical battles all over the field. Martin Clarke moved to Midfield 2nd half and player an absolute stormer.

Although Kilcoo Number 4 should have seen the line for what was an off the ball elbow to the back of the an riocht half back's head, shocking bitta play, left the player in a bad way, forcing him off,  waited till the man had turned his back an sneaked up, disgracefull!

The same thing happened our corner forward against the magpies on Sunday... an unprovoked elbow away from the play resulted in him recieving x rays on his eye socket and spending two days in daisy hill...

Some people very quick to get a dig at the county champions here without true descriptions off what led to both incidents. All i can say with regard the two players in question is what goes around comes around. I disagree with lads getting injured off the ball but the incidents where provoced and the Bridge and Kingdom players started both incidents only to come off worst. The Kilcoo players where wrong for their actions but it must be said the two players that came off worst have a history off bad behaviour on the field off play.

Your totally wrong there MDG, I was at the match on Sun and seen with my own eyes what was going on, there was a bit of pushing and shoving going on and that wee albino t**ser swung his elbow round in to young Galllaghers eye. The P***k could have blinded him. But you seem to think he got what he deserved! And i dont know what you're talking about him having a bad record for, the lad has hardly ever been booked in his life never mind sent off! Oh aye another one of your dirty B*****ds got the line too for head butting, I suppose his man deserved it also. Catch a grip man!!! It was only last week one of your own players got a bad doing against Saval,  so did he deserve it also???

Ok your player is an angel and Kilcoo are all the aforementioned terms you have used. you know best.  Our player that got hurt against Saval got badly injured with a high challange but we didnt come on here and say all sorts about the Saval player in question.
These things sometimes happen in football. in the case with your player it was provoked and as a result he got badly hurt but he was still fit to insult 4 elderly Kilcoo women on his way off after they asked him was he ok.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 01, 2010, 09:59:06 PM
Division 2 Result

Downpatrick 1-11 Loughinisland 1-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 02, 2010, 12:32:27 PM
Off the ball incidents such as the examples mentioned are yella. Theres no other word for it. Football is what we play and watch and love boys, FOOTBALL! If we wanted to see fightin, we would go to one of them friggin cage fightin tournaments. Now I know its a mans game, and good hard football is the way it used to be back i nthe old days, and the last thing we want is for our sport to go down the dreaded soccer route where its becoem basiclly non-contact, but there has to be a line here. Someone said there its not the players fault, its the referee's, not sure if it was MDG or ned. This is one instance where the responsability is 100% on the player. The player should have the cop on to keep the cool head, no matter what bullshit is whispered in his ear or taunted with. Owl manager we had years ago said, 'you have to keep your discipline on the feild otherwise you let your team down, if you wanna hurt a man, either score 10pts off him, or hit him with a good fair shoulder when the balls there and put him on his hole. The only time I will condone punching/striking, is if a man spits on you, this is the lowest insult one man can give another, if that happens, you blind the c**t!'. No-one has a problem with hard teams, kilcoo, longstone or burren or whoever are strong men, and theres nothing wrong with being tough, its when sneaky off the ball digs, and 'hit and run' incidents happen, that makes the blood boil. That is just yella, cowardly, and these are happening more and more. And ye may say its wrong to single out teams or players, but I have seen it happen in games involving kilcoo, and to a lesser extent clonduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 02, 2010, 01:37:07 PM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on July 01, 2010, 02:33:19 PM
Its hard enough getting refs never mind umpires and linesmen, plus county board doesn't want to pay them for championship matches this summer, cut backs or something? Have to say there does seem to be a bit of thuggery coming back into the game and every club has there so called "hardmen". I'm a wee bit surprised by the actions of Longstone players especially 6 and the big sub 22 (caught the Fords young midfielder with an off ball haymaker). To be fair to Stone 6 he wouldn't be known as a dirty player but the punches and grappling etc dished out to Maginn was unacceptable and very unlike them. Could there new manager be looking for this more dirty off the ball incidents, heard their training has involved some more dubious tactics in recent times, come back Frank all is forgiven!!? Stone are always hard but fair and in recent years have been known as a good football side, just would hate to see them and indeed any club, and we all have these type of players, resorting to this behaviour. Let the coachs, managers and committees nip these off ball incidents in the bud they have no place in the game particularly if refs can't keep up with play or choose not to see such incidents. Its a coincidence that the ref in the Stone game was from Kilcoo and as the mellee ensued he decided to stand 70 yards away for the 2 odd mins and then proceed to book the two boys standing nearest him, while the culprits get off scott free!

Wind yer neck in, wind yer neck in!  It is a bit unfair to single out Stone over one game.  Thinking back over recent derbies with the Ford it is pretty obvious that there are no saints in your club either.  Incidents like this go on all the time, I think it is a bit extreme to say we have changed to a "dirty club."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on July 02, 2010, 01:59:51 PM
I only called it as I saw it. I also spoke to a few Stone ex-players and it was they who commented that the new coach encouraged and trained the players to this rough house tactics e.g. stopping the runner who had passed the ball and also their tackling drills were more akin to rugby sessions or ju-jitsu!! Also if you read my comments I do say that every club has players who will bend the rules as much as they humanly can, the so called hard men, and i also said all clubs have a duty through their coaches managers and committees to try and stamp that out. I have just picked up on the general theme of off ball incidents as mentioned in the previous threads and it so happens this happened in our game not just once( Magiinn concussed) and Bonny thumped but also it seemed a general trend of tackling and off ball incidents through out particular punching the ball in the tackle and pulling and dragging of ball carriers. I didn't mention the vitriolic abuse hurled out to our manager ( will definitley not print what was said -  more saddened than disgusted) by so called supporters and one of the selectors ( small ginger haired man that jumped up and down mancally on numerous occassions screaming to his palyer " cut the f**k out of them etc etc). My real point was that for the last few years the Stone seemed to encourage good flowing football, (All Ireland 7's and county final) but now look to have moved away from that even though they basically have the same group of players.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on July 02, 2010, 02:26:02 PM
I dont want to condone the off the ball incidents that take place in most matches but I think its fair to say that we can all hold our hands up and say that every club has their players to undertake these tactics at times.  Ive played senior football for over 10 years and against a lot of clubs and each one has players like this.  MDG is right in saying that Kilcoo dont come on screaming when their players are hit.
a few weeks ago a mayobridge person wrote in complaining about the antics of a Clonduff player who hit a bridge player but he seemed to forget that in the very first league game of the year 2 mayobridge players took into a Clonduff player just before half time just in front of the changing rooms leaving him with blood pouring from his head. One of them a former county player and the other a current one!  no team has 15 saints playing on it.  Officials, no matter how many there are are not going to get all incidents that occur off the ball.
Not condoning the actions but I think people should think about incidents their own club have taken part in before they come on here brandishing insults to other clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 02, 2010, 04:42:32 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on July 02, 2010, 02:26:02 PM
I dont want to condone the off the ball incidents that take place in most matches but I think its fair to say that we can all hold our hands up and say that every club has their players to undertake these tactics at times.  Ive played senior football for over 10 years and against a lot of clubs and each one has players like this.  MDG is right in saying that Kilcoo dont come on screaming when their players are hit.
a few weeks ago a mayobridge person wrote in complaining about the antics of a Clonduff player who hit a bridge player but he seemed to forget that in the very first league game of the year 2 mayobridge players took into a Clonduff player just before half time just in front of the changing rooms leaving him with blood pouring from his head. One of them a former county player and the other a current one!  no team has 15 saints playing on it.  Officials, no matter how many there are are not going to get all incidents that occur off the ball.
Not condoning the actions but I think people should think about incidents their own club have taken part in before they come on here brandishing insults to other clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on July 02, 2010, 09:08:31 PM
Result
Carryduff 0-6
Glenn 2-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on July 02, 2010, 09:37:59 PM
ACFL 1
Kilcoo  0-13 0-10 Burren 
An Riocht  1-11 2-9 Castlewellan 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 02, 2010, 09:59:10 PM
Division 3

Bosco 1-07  Dundrum 0-11

A classic it most certainly wasn't.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on July 02, 2010, 10:40:24 PM
Shamrocks beat Kilclief.  Dee Rafferty suffered a very bad leg break.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 02, 2010, 10:52:45 PM
Div one
Clonduff 0.14 Rostrevor 2.6

Johnny Parr scored Penalty goal and point from a 45. Must be overall top scorer for Rostrevor  in league!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 02, 2010, 11:04:35 PM
Serious serious blow for Down if Dee Raff got his leg broke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 02, 2010, 11:06:34 PM
Bridge 4-19 Stone 1-12. 

Very sad news about Dee Rafferty.  He has been Down's best defender by a mile this season.  Is that his second leg break?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on July 02, 2010, 11:09:25 PM
Quote from: No1 on July 02, 2010, 10:40:24 PM
Shamrocks beat Kilclief.  Dee Rafferty suffered a very bad leg break.

I hate hearing this sort of news about any player who goes out to play the game he loves, best wishes to Dee & his imminent rehabilitation, a great servant to both Club & County.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 02, 2010, 11:58:02 PM
Quote from: umpire on July 02, 2010, 10:52:45 PM
Div one
Clonduff 0.14 Rostrevor 2.6

Johnny Parr scored Penalty goal and point from a 45. Must be overall top scorer for Rostrevor  in league!

No 45 tonight umpire! Just the pen! Some scuffle at the end! Few players a bit out of order! And the ball was over the line!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 03, 2010, 10:01:36 AM
D raff's leg def not broken

Harps beat a dirty shower from attical 1-14 to 1-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on July 03, 2010, 10:21:15 AM
hope golden years is correct.nobody wants any player to pick up such an injury whether he plays at schoolboy level or senior/intercounty-D.Rafferty is one of the best players in Down and i wish him a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on July 03, 2010, 10:34:57 AM
Wish Dee Raferty all the best and hopefully the injury isn't too bad . Best player for Down this year .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on July 03, 2010, 11:02:03 AM
Glad to hear that goldenyears. 

Didn't mean to spread rumours but it certainly looked bad and that was the info we got as we were leaving the ground.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 03, 2010, 11:27:54 AM
Great win for us last night against Burren. Brilliant all round team display to get us back on track. And not a dirty stroke from the team in black which may keep a few posters happy!! Hear Marty Clarke got took out and had to go off against the town in thier first win in 2010. Anyone confirm?
Hope D Raff has a speedy recovery. He has been outstanding for Down this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on July 03, 2010, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 03, 2010, 11:27:54 AM
Great win for us last night against Burren. Brilliant all round team display to get us back on track. And not a dirty stroke from the team in black which may keep a few posters happy!! Hear Marty Clarke got took out and had to go off against the town in thier first win in 2010. Anyone confirm?
Hope D Raff has a speedy recovery. He has been outstanding for Down this year.

Not true about Marty Clarke. He threw a punch at Mark Stratton while they were both on the ground, not sure how much of a connection he got but Stratts retaliated with an elbow and got a red card with 15/16 minutes left. Clarke got up and played on. Kingdom were at full strength while the Town were so weak they had to get injured players to line out.

hope Dee Rafferty makes a full and speedy recovery
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 03, 2010, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on July 03, 2010, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 03, 2010, 11:27:54 AM
Great win for us last night against Burren. Brilliant all round team display to get us back on track. And not a dirty stroke from the team in black which may keep a few posters happy!! Hear Marty Clarke got took out and had to go off against the town in thier first win in 2010. Anyone confirm?
Hope D Raff has a speedy recovery. He has been outstanding for Down this year.

Not true about Marty Clarke. He threw a punch at Mark Stratton while they were both on the ground, not sure how much of a connection he got but Stratts retaliated with an elbow and got a red card with 15/16 minutes left. Clarke got up and played on. Kingdom were at full strength while the Town were so weak they had to get injured players to line out.

hope Dee Rafferty makes a full and speedy recovery

Brilliant result for yous last night beating a full strength Kingdom at home. Liatriom also has a great win against the ford. Longstone struggling badly at present, thats some hammering they got.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on July 03, 2010, 12:01:42 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 03, 2010, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on July 03, 2010, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 03, 2010, 11:27:54 AM
Great win for us last night against Burren. Brilliant all round team display to get us back on track. And not a dirty stroke from the team in black which may keep a few posters happy!! Hear Marty Clarke got took out and had to go off against the town in thier first win in 2010. Anyone confirm?
Hope D Raff has a speedy recovery. He has been outstanding for Down this year.

Not true about Marty Clarke. He threw a punch at Mark Stratton while they were both on the ground, not sure how much of a connection he got but Stratts retaliated with an elbow and got a red card with 15/16 minutes left. Clarke got up and played on. Kingdom were at full strength while the Town were so weak they had to get injured players to line out.

hope Dee Rafferty makes a full and speedy recovery

Brilliant result for yous last night beating a full strength Kingdom at home. Liatriom also has a great win against the ford. Longstone struggling badly at present, thats some hammering they got.
Was a great result but I couldn't believe it when I heard liatriom beat the Ford- they are grinding out results now and I think we will run out of games before we catch them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 03, 2010, 02:08:12 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on July 03, 2010, 12:01:42 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 03, 2010, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on July 03, 2010, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 03, 2010, 11:27:54 AM
Great win for us last night against Burren. Brilliant all round team display to get us back on track. And not a dirty stroke from the team in black which may keep a few posters happy!! Hear Marty Clarke got took out and had to go off against the town in thier first win in 2010. Anyone confirm?
Hope D Raff has a speedy recovery. He has been outstanding for Down this year.

Not true about Marty Clarke. He threw a punch at Mark Stratton while they were both on the ground, not sure how much of a connection he got but Stratts retaliated with an elbow and got a red card with 15/16 minutes left. Clarke got up and played on. Kingdom were at full strength while the Town were so weak they had to get injured players to line out.

hope Dee Rafferty makes a full and speedy recovery

Brilliant result for yous last night beating a full strength Kingdom at home. Liatriom also has a great win against the ford. Longstone struggling badly at present, thats some hammering they got.
Was a great result but I couldn't believe it when I heard liatriom beat the Ford- they are grinding out results now and I think we will run out of games before we catch them

Is it automatic 1 down from division 1?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 03, 2010, 02:31:20 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on July 03, 2010, 02:08:12 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on July 03, 2010, 12:01:42 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 03, 2010, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: Long Ball on July 03, 2010, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 03, 2010, 11:27:54 AM
Great win for us last night against Burren. Brilliant all round team display to get us back on track. And not a dirty stroke from the team in black which may keep a few posters happy!! Hear Marty Clarke got took out and had to go off against the town in thier first win in 2010. Anyone confirm?
Hope D Raff has a speedy recovery. He has been outstanding for Down this year.

Not true about Marty Clarke. He threw a punch at Mark Stratton while they were both on the ground, not sure how much of a connection he got but Stratts retaliated with an elbow and got a red card with 15/16 minutes left. Clarke got up and played on. Kingdom were at full strength while the Town were so weak they had to get injured players to line out.

hope Dee Rafferty makes a full and speedy recovery

Brilliant result for yous last night beating a full strength Kingdom at home. Liatriom also has a great win against the ford. Longstone struggling badly at present, thats some hammering they got.
Was a great result but I couldn't believe it when I heard liatriom beat the Ford- they are grinding out results now and I think we will run out of games before we catch them

Is it automatic 1 down from division 1?

Yeah bottom team automatically relegated while the teams who finish 8th and 9th play off as far as i know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 03, 2010, 02:33:57 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on July 03, 2010, 11:36:34 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 03, 2010, 11:27:54 AM
Great win for us last night against Burren. Brilliant all round team display to get us back on track. And not a dirty stroke from the team in black which may keep a few posters happy!! Hear Marty Clarke got took out and had to go off against the town in thier first win in 2010. Anyone confirm?
Hope D Raff has a speedy recovery. He has been outstanding for Down this year.

Not true about Marty Clarke. He threw a punch at Mark Stratton while they were both on the ground, not sure how much of a connection he got but Stratts retaliated with an elbow and got a red card with 15/16 minutes left. Clarke got up and played on. Kingdom were at full strength while the Town were so weak they had to get injured players to line out.

hope Dee Rafferty makes a full and speedy recovery

Thats a bit drastic. Up until a few weeks ago Castlewellan were able to field 1st, 2nd and 3rd's teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on July 04, 2010, 05:28:06 AM
Marty Clarke sustained an elbow to the fac courtesey of the C'wellan num 1 i tink, pure malice in it, kngdom wer not a full strengh, so you cn cut that out 4 a start. Yes one team automaticly down, which is most likley castlewllan, with Liatroim, The Stone, The Ford, Rostrevor and Ourselves trying to stear clear of the Playoffs, all  makes for good veiwing tho!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 05, 2010, 10:13:03 PM
Bredagh Sen Hurlers had an impressive 12 point win over Killieif tonight.  An entertaining game and Bredagh only got shook off a determined Kileif challenge in the final 3 minutes with two goals. 
Ref was spineless and let some thuggish behaviour go by.  Seems that Co players have different rules than others.

Any other results tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on July 06, 2010, 02:15:34 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on July 05, 2010, 10:13:03 PM
Bredagh Sen Hurlers had an impressive 12 point win over Killieif tonight.  An entertaining game and Bredagh only got shook off a determined Kileif challenge in the final 3 minutes with two goals. 
Ref was spineless and let some thuggish behaviour go by.  Seems that Co players have different rules than others. Any other results tonight?
What are you trying to imply here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 08, 2010, 04:29:50 PM
The first three parts of Dundrum GFC's 75th Anniversary DVD which has been submitted to the 2010 McNamee Awards. Full DVD includes contributions from Down's 1960/61 All Ireland winning duo Eddie McKay and Jarlath Carey plus footage of team trainer Danny Flynn, Down's 1979 All Ireland U-21 captain Ned King, comedian Paddy Kielty, Down's 2005 All Ireland MFC winning trainer John Morgan, county player Paul McComiskey and new Down county chairman Seamus Walsh amongst others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5qmTac-zh8&feature=related - DVD Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyZDVsl7RtI&feature=related - Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4o6oJhvP1Y&feature=related - Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljl4rKOer3w&feature=related - Part 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 08, 2010, 09:56:16 PM
ACFL Division 2
 
Tullylish  2-8 1-11 Downpatrick  Tullylish Round 17 
Ballyholland  1-10 1-10 Ballymartin  Ballyholland Round 17 
Warrenpoint  3-8 0-13 Saval  Warrenpoint Round 17 
Clann na Banna  2-12 0-4 Shamrocks  Clann na Banna Round 17 

ACFL Division 3
 
Dundrum  0-7 1-13 Glasdrumman  Dundrum Round 17 
Ardglass  1-15 1-10 Carryduff  Ardglass Round 17 
Glenn  2-10 0-9 Darragh Cross  Glenn Round 17 

ACFL Division 4
   
Aughlisnafin  0-10 3-10 Aghaderg  Aughlisnafin Round 16 
Mitchels  0-15 0-13 St Michaels  Mitchels Round 16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on July 08, 2010, 10:52:05 PM
ACFL Division 4
   
Bright 0-12 0-12 St. Pauls Bright Round 16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on July 08, 2010, 11:05:43 PM
Div 4
Dromara 1.7 Ballykinlar 0.6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on July 08, 2010, 11:26:01 PM
Mitchels beat St Micks by 2
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 09, 2010, 11:15:47 AM
Real tight again at the top of Division 2. Harps missed their chance to go clear at the top with Saval getting beat. Got a draw but in reality got out of jail.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 09, 2010, 12:29:57 PM
Mayobridge  2/1 
Longstone  12/1 
Liatroim  28/1 
Kilcoo  5/2 
Loughlinisland  12/1 
Ballyholland  50/1 
Burren  9/2 
Saval  14/1 
Ballymartin  50/1 
Bryansford  15/2 
An Riocht  16/1 
Downpatrick  100/1 
Rostrevor  8/1 
Castlewellan  25/1 
Warrenpoint  100/1 
Clonduff  9/1 

odds from paddy power for the senior championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 09, 2010, 03:35:34 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 09, 2010, 12:29:57 PM
Mayobridge  2/1 
Longstone  12/1 
Liatroim  28/1 
Kilcoo  5/2 
Loughlinisland  12/1 
Ballyholland  50/1 
Burren  9/2 
Saval  14/1 
Ballymartin  50/1 
Bryansford  15/2 
An Riocht  16/1 
Downpatrick  100/1 
Rostrevor  8/1 
Castlewellan  25/1 
Warrenpoint  100/1 
Clonduff  9/1 

odds from paddy power for the senior championship

Looks like its a two horse race!!  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 09, 2010, 04:11:28 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 09, 2010, 03:35:34 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 09, 2010, 12:29:57 PM
Mayobridge  2/1 
Longstone  12/1 
Liatroim  28/1 
Kilcoo  5/2 
Loughlinisland  12/1 
Ballyholland  50/1 
Burren  9/2 
Saval  14/1 
Ballymartin  50/1 
Bryansford  15/2 
An Riocht  16/1 
Downpatrick  100/1 
Rostrevor  8/1 
Castlewellan  25/1 
Warrenpoint  100/1 
Clonduff  9/1 

odds from paddy power for the senior championship

Looks like its a two horse race!!  :P

Giddy up!  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on July 10, 2010, 04:41:47 PM
I was talking to a friend in Germany and he said Paul the psychic Octopus has picked Down to beat Longford tonight and Bryansford for the senior championship, so its not a 2 horse race its not even a four legged race but its an eight legged race  ::) come on yee beauties :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 11, 2010, 12:30:00 AM
any word on when the championship games are due? I know they are due to be played between 5th and 9th Aug but I am trying to figure out what games are being played when and where
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 12, 2010, 08:08:12 PM
Morgan Dairies Senior Football Championship
Thurs Aug 5th Mayobridge 7 30
Ballyholland v Rostrevor(L Smith)
Fri Aug 6th Clonduff 8 00
Castlewellan v Bryansford(C Brannigan)
Sat Aug 7th Burren 6 30
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint(S O Hanlon)
Sat Aug 7th Burren 8 00
An Riocht v Clonduff(G Corrigan)
Sun 8th Aug Castlewellan 6 00
Downpatrick v Kilcoo(B Rice)
Sun Aug 8th Castlewellan 7 30
Burren v Loughinisland(C Reynolds)
Mon Aug 9th An Riocht 7 30
Ballymartin v Saval(E O Hare)
Tues Aug 10th Newcastle 7 30
Liatroim v Longstone(G Tumelty)

Around a Pound Intermediate Football Championship
Thurs Aug 5th Ballymartin 7 30
Drumgath v Saul(K Trainor)
Fri Aug 6th Clonduff 6 30
Darragh Cross v Atticall(P Brannigan)
Sat Aug 7th Downpatrick 2 00
Bredagh v Tullylish(G Brannigan)
Sat Aug 7th Downpatrick 3 30
Dundrum v Carryduff(HP Mc Cusker)
Sun Aug 8th Bright 1 00
Ardglass v St Johns(M Rawlinson)
Sun Aug 8th Saval 2 00
Glenn v Clann na Banna(D Laverty)
Sun Aug 8th Saval 3 30
Annaclone v Shamrocks(N Cousins)
Sun Aug 8th Ballykinlar 3 00
Kilclief v Glasdrumman(P Toner)

Around a Pound Junior Football Championship
Mon Aug 9th Dundrum 7 30
Bright v Ballykinlar(D Cotter)
Mon Aug 9th Glenn 7 30
Aghaderg v St Micheals(D Brogan)
Mon Aug 9th Drumgath 7 30
Dromara v St John Bosco(D Kearns
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 12, 2010, 10:19:29 PM
Prediction League.

Outright winners only accepted.

First Rounds SFC, IFC and JFC (19 games)
Quarter finals SFC. IFC and JFC (12 games)
Semi finals SFC, IFC and JFC (6 games)
Finals SFC. IFC, JFC, PRFC, RFC and MFC. (6 games)
Total of 43 games.
2008 winner; Downfanatic 31
2009 winner; Bacon 34

Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on July 12, 2010, 10:37:33 PM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on July 13, 2010, 12:12:44 AM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on July 13, 2010, 11:43:54 AM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on July 13, 2010, 11:44:35 AM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco

 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on July 13, 2010, 11:57:37 AM
Jasus bredaghgael86, could you not show support for your own team in your prediction table ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on July 13, 2010, 12:25:19 PM
haha, your right, i probably should. might be plesantly surprised.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on July 13, 2010, 02:38:27 PM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on July 13, 2010, 09:27:54 PM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on July 13, 2010, 10:54:57 PM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco

 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on July 14, 2010, 09:33:46 AM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on July 14, 2010, 10:41:39 AM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 14, 2010, 02:29:56 PM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on July 14, 2010, 04:42:01 PM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on July 14, 2010, 06:24:04 PM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 14, 2010, 06:32:39 PM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on July 14, 2010, 07:19:50 PM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 14, 2010, 07:28:52 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on July 14, 2010, 04:42:01 PM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco

Out in Front. Darragh Cross v Atticall ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on July 14, 2010, 09:31:27 PM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 15, 2010, 02:31:34 PM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone
 
Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

 Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on July 15, 2010, 06:33:58 PM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone
Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman
Junior Football Championship
Bright v BallykinlarAghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 15, 2010, 09:54:54 PM
Quote from: umpire on July 12, 2010, 10:19:29 PM
Prediction League.

Outright winners only accepted.

First Rounds SFC, IFC and JFC (19 games)
Quarter finals SFC. IFC and JFC (12 games)
Semi finals SFC, IFC and JFC (6 games)
Finals SFC. IFC, JFC, PRFC, RFC and MFC. (6 games)
Total of 43 games.
2008 winner; Downfanatic 31
2009 winner; Bacon 34

Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford  Ford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint  Bridge
An Riocht v Clonduff  An Riocht
Downpatrick v Kilcoo  Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland  Burren
Ballymartin v Saval  Saval
Liatroim v Longstone   Stone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul  Drumgath
Darragh Cross v Atticall   Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish   Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff   Duff
Ardglass v St Johns   Johnnies
Glenn v Clann na Banna   Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks   Annaclone
Kilclief v Glasdrumman   Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar  Bright
Aghaderg v St Micheals  St Micks
Dromara v St John Bosco  Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on July 15, 2010, 09:57:21 PM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone
Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman
Junior Football Championship
Bright v BallykinlarAghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 15, 2010, 10:40:16 PM
Senior Football Championship

Balllyholland v ROSTREVOR
Castlewellan v BRYANSFORD
MAYOBRIDGE v Warrenpoint
An RIOCHT v Clonduff[
Downpatrick v KILCOO
BURREN v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v SAVAL
Liatroim v  LONGSTONE

Intermediate Football Championship

DRUMGATH v Saul
Darragh Cross v ATTICAL
Bredagh v TULLYLISH
DUNDRUM v Carryduff
ARDGLASS V St Johns
Glenn v CLANN NA BANNA
ANNACLONE v Shamrocks
Kilclief v GLASDRUMMAN

Junior Football Championship
BRIGHT v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v ST MICHAEL'S
Dromara v BOSCO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 15, 2010, 11:10:09 PM
I want to congratulate Conor O'Toole and his helpers for the innovative Down Summer 7's tournament that took place for U-16 teams tonight. It was a good departure and similar projects should be looked at in the future.

This was the one bright note on a week when our county board let itself down badly. Once again all SFC games were allocated to Division 1 club grounds despite promises being made in previous years that Intermediate and Junior clubs would get the chance to host SFC games aswell.

In the past year and in many previous years Dundrum has been a base for the Down Minor footballers and Down Senior Camogie teams. We also faciilitate the Down U-16 football team and we generally hold the majority of trials for the underage development squads every year.

Id say many of the clubs who have been allocated SFC games do not make their grounds available to county teams. Just shows the thanks you get. A complete joke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on July 16, 2010, 09:35:49 AM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship

Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship

Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on July 16, 2010, 11:00:42 AM
QuoteI want to congratulate Conor O'Toole and his helpers for the innovative Down Summer 7's tournament that took place for U-16 teams tonight. It was a good departure and similar projects should be looked at in the future.

This was the one bright note on a week when our county board let itself down badly. Once again all SFC games were allocated to Division 1 club grounds despite promises being made in previous years that Intermediate and Junior clubs would get the chance to host SFC games aswell.

In the past year and in many previous years Dundrum has been a base for the Down Minor footballers and Down Senior Camogie teams. We also faciilitate the Down U-16 football team and we generally hold the majority of trials for the underage development squads every year.

Id say many of the clubs who have been allocated SFC games do not make their grounds available to county teams. Just shows the thanks you get. A complete joke.

Not being smart lad but could you not as Seamus Walsh why this is the case? He is your clubmate, surely he will know why, must say though the Dundrum set up is very good
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on July 16, 2010, 11:22:02 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on July 16, 2010, 11:00:42 AM
QuoteI want to congratulate Conor O'Toole and his helpers for the innovative Down Summer 7's tournament that took place for U-16 teams tonight. It was a good departure and similar projects should be looked at in the future.

This was the one bright note on a week when our county board let itself down badly. Once again all SFC games were allocated to Division 1 club grounds despite promises being made in previous years that Intermediate and Junior clubs would get the chance to host SFC games aswell.

In the past year and in many previous years Dundrum has been a base for the Down Minor footballers and Down Senior Camogie teams. We also faciilitate the Down U-16 football team and we generally hold the majority of trials for the underage development squads every year.

Id say many of the clubs who have been allocated SFC games do not make their grounds available to county teams. Just shows the thanks you get. A complete joke.

Not being smart lad but could you not as Seamus Walsh why this is the case? He is your clubmate, surely he will know why, must say though the Dundrum set up is very good
You would need to question the suitability of some of the grounds chosen to host SFC games or indeed any championship game given the state they are in!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 16, 2010, 04:25:34 PM
All them predictions annoy my head, theres no discussion anymore! Is Dan Gordon playing again at 3 tomorrow???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 16, 2010, 09:53:52 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on July 17, 2010, 09:12:45 AM
Best wishes to Down today,heading to Tullamore for the match and hopeful of a win-GOOD LUCK!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 17, 2010, 05:20:20 PM
Does anyone know dates for the reserve championships?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on July 17, 2010, 07:52:23 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 17, 2010, 05:20:20 PM
Does anyone know dates for the reserve championships?!

25th july i think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 17, 2010, 10:38:32 PM
Thanks, is this definate?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 18, 2010, 10:00:33 AM
Offaly 1.10 Down 1.12

Scorers -- Down: M Clarke 0-5 (4f, 1'45), M Poland 0-3 (2f), A Carr 1-0, J Clarke 0-2, B Coulter, D Hughes 0-1 each. Offaly: K Casey 1-1, R Brady 0-2 (2f), C McManus (1 '45, 1f), B Connor 0-2 each, A Sullivan, N McNamee, J Reynolds 0-1 each.

Down: B McVeigh; D O'Hagan, D Gordon, D Rafferty; D Rooney, J Colgan, C Garvey; A Rogers, K King; A Carr, M Poland, P McComiskey; M Clarke, B Coulter, J Clarke. Subs: D Hughes for Carr, 47; K McKernan for Colgan, 50; R Sexton for McComiskey, 55; R Murtagh for J Clarke, 63; A Brannigan for Garvey, 69.

Offaly: A Mulhall; B Darby, S Brady, S Pender; P McConway, R Brady, N Darby; R Dalton, B Connor; G Guilfoyle, C McManus, A Sullivan; K Casey, N McNamee, J Reynolds. Subs: S Ryan for McConway, 30; J Coughlan for Dalton, 42; A McNamee for McManus, 66; D Egan for Casey, 69.

Referee: M Duffy (Sligo).

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on July 18, 2010, 11:45:51 AM
Congrats to Down last night after the win in Tullamore,concern though about how the defence was breached so easily in the opening fifteen minutes.Midfield began to play better and we eventually began to pick up our own breaking ball and take the pressure off the backs.Finishing let us down in the forward line quite a lot all night,the changes did help at certain times but two or three of the starting fifteen must have serioue concerns about their contributions and decision making when with the ball and without it.Down did show flashes of great team play one of which was blown up in the first half for an illegal hand-pass,and another couple in the second one of which led to a well taken Carr goal.Think the draw for the next round of qualifiers is tonight,ONCE AGAIN WELL DONE!!   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 18, 2010, 11:47:38 AM
Patchy performance from Down both on and off the field but the result was everything and in a low-key and poorly attended qualifier.
The team clearly thought they only had to turn up and got rightly punished in the first ten. The first five minutes was reminiscent of the POR era- total disorganisation at the back. Offaly had done their homework and sent the 5 foot nothing John Reynolds onto Dan at FB,dragged him to the wing on the first attack, sent a high ball into Mc Namee ( or Coughlan) -both 6 feet plus, on Dee Rafferty, ball duly won and transferred to Casey- back of the net .You wouldn't see that at under 12. Down have 4 mentors- surely one should have seen that coming and moved Dan immediately ?
Marty and John Clarke kept Down in it in the first half- both outstanding, along with Benny,Decky Rooney and O'Hagan, they kept us in touch for a deserved bollicking at half-time.
Carr and Mc Comiskey had taken a bit of time to get into it but were excellent in the third quarter- Aidan's goal outstanding.Then the baffling substitutions. Against Tyrone the management were inactive- here they were over-active.
Taking Carr off was strange but taking off JC was unbelievable and wrong. He had been our MOM to that point and the dogs in the street could see that Garvey was carrying an injury .This made Colgan look bad- he wasn't-and although pace is not his thing, he was effective.It seems that the same players are substituted regardless of performance- sort that out wee James.
The mid-fielders were different players in the second half and along with big Dan and Poland, they ran the show and we should have won by more.However, a win without hype is what we wanted and a decent draw will make life interesting
James- if we want to progress, it's easier than ABC.Give the ball to Ambrose,Benny or the Clarkes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Konica on July 18, 2010, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on July 18, 2010, 11:47:38 AM
Patchy performance from Down both on and off the field but the result was everything and in a low-key and poorly attended qualifier.
The team clearly thought they only had to turn up and got rightly punished in the first ten. The first five minutes was reminiscent of the POR era- total disorganisation at the back. Offaly had done their homework and sent the 5 foot nothing John Reynolds onto Dan at FB,dragged him to the wing on the first attack, sent a high ball into Mc Namee ( or Coughlan) -both 6 feet plus, on Dee Rafferty, ball duly won and transferred to Casey- back of the net .You wouldn't see that at under 12. Down have 4 mentors- surely one should have seen that coming and moved Dan immediately ?
Marty and John Clarke kept Down in it in the first half- both outstanding, along with Benny,Decky Rooney and O'Hagan, they kept us in touch for a deserved bollicking at half-time.
Carr and Mc Comiskey had taken a bit of time to get into it but were excellent in the third quarter- Aidan's goal outstanding.Then the baffling substitutions. Against Tyrone the management were inactive- here they were over-active.
Taking Carr off was strange but taking off JC was unbelievable and wrong. He had been our MOM to that point and the dogs in the street could see that Garvey was carrying an injury .This made Colgan look bad- he wasn't-and although pace is not his thing, he was effective.It seems that the same players are substituted regardless of performance- sort that out wee James.
The mid-fielders were different players in the second half and along with big Dan and Poland, they ran the show and we should have won by more.However, a win without hype is what we wanted and a decent draw will make life interesting
James- if we want to progress, it's easier than ABC.Give the ball to Ambrose,Benny or the Clarkes

I really didn't understand those moves
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 18, 2010, 12:31:23 PM
Yes - they were hard to understand. JC is the ideal target man- mobile,skilful,strong and intelligent.When you add in the telepathic radar from Marty , and the clear joy Benny has playing alongside him, he should be the first man on the team-sheet- not the first( or second) man off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on July 18, 2010, 01:22:18 PM
Can down play Tyrone in round 4?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 18, 2010, 01:27:15 PM
If Tyrone lose today I think they can. Or maybe they are kept apart because they met earlier. Don't know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Konica on July 18, 2010, 02:35:24 PM
I think that rule still stands for another round of draws
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on July 18, 2010, 04:25:15 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on July 18, 2010, 11:47:38 AM
Taking Carr off was strange but taking off JC was unbelievable and wrong. He had been our MOM to that point and the dogs in the street could see that Garvey was carrying an injury .This made Colgan look bad- he wasn't-and although pace is not his thing, he was effective.It seems that the same players are substituted regardless of performance- sort that out wee James.

who do you mean by JC. if it is john clarke i agree he was playing well but if u are referring to james colgan, well i'm sorry but that was his worst game of the year, got caught between trying to help big dan and sweep in front of mcnamee and trying to mark mcmanus, in doing so gave ciaran mcmanus too much room and only for ambrose doing the chasing back for him stopped a certain goal in the first half. gave ball away too cheap and was caught in the tackle too often. in saying that he will still start the next game but he needs to know when to drop back and sweep and when to be tight to his man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 18, 2010, 04:35:45 PM
Was talking about Clarke but think you are a bit harsh on Colgan- Ambrose's block on Mc Manus (in the second half)was magnificent but Garvey was clearly carrying an injury and was stuck for pace- this left the HB line more vulnerable and made Colgan look slower (if that's possible!!) - however, Colgan's overall contribution was sound although glad to see Mc Kernan get a run
Team for next round
Mc Veigh
Declan Rooney     Dan     Dee Rafferty    ( Options Mc Ardle, Daniel )
O'Hagan       Colgan        Garvey   ( Options   Mc Kernan, Carr )
King and Ambrose
Danny Mark Poland Conor Maginn  ( Options Carr, Murtagh )
Marty John Benny ( Options Mc Comiskey )
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on July 19, 2010, 12:28:51 PM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco

 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 19, 2010, 12:47:11 PM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: batman on July 19, 2010, 01:33:36 PM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on July 19, 2010, 02:52:22 PM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on July 19, 2010, 07:15:24 PM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 19, 2010, 07:55:30 PM
Sun July 25th(2 00)
Morgan Milk Premier Reserve Championship
An Riocht v Clann na Banna(A Grant)
Carryduff v St Johns(P Gelston)
Mayobridge v Castlewellan(L Morgan)
Kilcoo v Bryansford(E Mc Carthy)
Liatroim v Ballymartin(E Mc Grath)
Ballyholland v Loughinisland(M Devlin)
Downpatrick v Annaclone(J Killen)
Sun July 25th(6 00)
Morgan Milk Reserve Championship
Drumgath v Mitchels(D Kearns)
Teconnaught v Warrenpoint(P Mc Cartan)
Ardglass v St John Bosco(A Sharvin)
Liatroim v An Riocht(J Quinn)
Bryansford v Kilcoo(M O Rourke)
St Johns v Shamrocks(M Curran)
Mon July 26th(7 30)
O Neills ACFL Div 3
Glasdrumman v Saul(P Brannigan)
Morgan Milk Reserve Championship
Mayobridge v Rostrevor(PD Doyle)
Tues July 27th(7 30)
Morgan Milk Premier Reserve Championship
Rostrevor v Burren(D Cotter)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on July 19, 2010, 09:00:05 PM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on July 20, 2010, 02:10:57 PM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 20, 2010, 02:13:54 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 19, 2010, 07:55:30 PM
Sun July 25th(2 00)
Morgan Milk Premier Reserve Championship
An Riocht v Clann na Banna(A Grant)
Carryduff v St Johns(P Gelston)
Mayobridge v Castlewellan(L Morgan)
Kilcoo v Bryansford(E Mc Carthy)
Liatroim v Ballymartin(E Mc Grath)
Ballyholland v Loughinisland(M Devlin)
Downpatrick v Annaclone(J Killen)
Sun July 25th(6 00)
Morgan Milk Reserve Championship
Drumgath v Mitchels(D Kearns)
Teconnaught v Warrenpoint(P Mc Cartan)
Ardglass v St John Bosco(A Sharvin)
Liatroim v An Riocht(J Quinn)
Bryansford v Kilcoo(M O Rourke)
St Johns v Shamrocks(M Curran)
Mon July 26th(7 30)
O Neills ACFL Div 3
Glasdrumman v Saul(P Brannigan)
Morgan Milk Reserve Championship
Mayobridge v Rostrevor(PD Doyle)
Tues July 27th(7 30)
Morgan Milk Premier Reserve Championship
Rostrevor v Burren(D Cotter)

Our minors are at home in championship replay on the same night...anyone know what is likely to happen? And why isnt the rostrevor match on the same day as the rest?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 20, 2010, 04:39:43 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 20, 2010, 02:13:54 PM
Our minors are at home in championship replay on the same night...anyone know what is likely to happen? And why isnt the rostrevor match on the same day as the rest?

You may get your secretary on the job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 20, 2010, 05:16:19 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 20, 2010, 04:39:43 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 20, 2010, 02:13:54 PM
Our minors are at home in championship replay on the same night...anyone know what is likely to happen? And why isnt the rostrevor match on the same day as the rest?

You may get your secretary on the job

Im sure he will be doing his best!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on July 21, 2010, 12:42:44 AM
Out in Front. Darragh Cross v Atticall ?


Oopps...Darragh Cross V Atticall
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on July 21, 2010, 07:38:28 AM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on July 21, 2010, 11:22:14 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 20, 2010, 05:16:19 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 20, 2010, 04:39:43 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 20, 2010, 02:13:54 PM
Our minors are at home in championship replay on the same night...anyone know what is likely to happen? And why isnt the rostrevor match on the same day as the rest?

You may get your secretary on the job

Im sure he will be doing his best!

Per the Rostrevor website the Premier Reserve Championship game is now on Wed 28th July.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on July 21, 2010, 11:39:46 AM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on July 21, 2010, 07:37:22 PM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on July 21, 2010, 08:08:45 PM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on July 22, 2010, 10:04:36 AM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford - up the Town!!!!!!
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 22, 2010, 10:45:12 AM
Quote from: Bacon on July 21, 2010, 07:38:28 AM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco

Mayobridge v Warrenpoint?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on July 23, 2010, 03:50:04 PM
Many lads travelling down to Breffini?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on July 23, 2010, 10:11:01 PM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford  
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone
Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman
Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on July 23, 2010, 11:23:03 PM
Quote from: southdown on July 23, 2010, 03:50:04 PM
Many lads travelling down to Breffini?
Yes. What way are you calling it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on July 24, 2010, 09:12:20 AM
Fingers crossed for the Down team tonight and best wishes to them,probably one our toughest matchs so far.Sligo with the exception of last week are one of the most improving teams of the last two years in c'ship football,we simply cannot afford to be as slow off the mark as last week against Offlay.Primary or at worst secondary posession around mid-field or the half-back line from kick-outs are absoultely vital especially at this level and a higher percentage of scores from chances critical-hopeful but not confident-Good Luck Wee James And Co!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on July 24, 2010, 11:04:29 AM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 24, 2010, 12:01:22 PM
Yeah good luck to the lads tonight! It will be a step up from previous games but Im convinced we can do it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on July 24, 2010, 12:35:16 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on July 24, 2010, 12:01:22 PM
Yeah good luck to the lads tonight! It will be a step up from previous games but Im convinced we can do it.

Heres hoping best of luck lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 24, 2010, 08:15:10 PM
Down need to really kill the game, they never seem to be able to, I hope they push on now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 24, 2010, 08:42:29 PM
Im so happy! 3.18 to 0.9 at the minute.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 24, 2010, 08:51:15 PM
never seen that one comming
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 24, 2010, 08:54:55 PM
I know never saw this coming atal tbh, obviously delighted though. And to think I thought out of the 2 qualifiers, Cork v Limrick, Down v Sligo, that the latter would be a better option for the tv coverage, based on the opinion that Cork would walk it and Down and Sligo would be tight...how wrong... :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 24, 2010, 10:13:41 PM
I hope Down will be playing on Sunday instead of Sat next weekend cos of big wedding in Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 24, 2010, 10:45:28 PM
Down 3.20 Sligo 0.10
Down have reached the GAA All-Ireland Football Senior Championship quarter-finals for the first time after dismantling Sligo on a 3-20 to 0-10 scoreline at Kingspan Breffni Park on Saturday evening.

Since the introduction of the second chance for sides defeated in their provincial championships in 2001, the Mourne Men had never managed to necklace together enough wins in the back door to reach the last eight, but there was no doubting their superiority here.

Right from the off, James McCartan's side had the edge, leaving Sligo to join Louth, Limerick and Monaghan in the group of provincial finalists unable to regroup after their defeats.

After throw-in was delayed due to crowd congestion, Down had three points on the board before Adrian Marren opened Sligo's account, and though this signalled a slight revival, with the lead down to 0-5 to 0-3 by the 18th minute, five in a row – including three from Martin Clarke – extended Down's advantage.

When Clarke's brother John found the net soon after and Paul McComiskey followed up with a point, leaving Sligo with an uphill task at the break, as they trailed by 1-10 to 0-6.

While it might have been Sligo who needed the strong start to the second half, it was Down who got it as they scored an extra 1-2, with captain Ambrose Rogers scoring 1-1, and sub Ronan Murtagh scored five points to make it 2-7 to 0-8. Late on, Murtagh added a goal of his own to leave 19 points in it at the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on July 25, 2010, 05:16:33 AM
Football as it should be played, quick accurate footpassing out of defence, delivering quality ball to a mobile accurate forward unit. Down are clicking at just the right time in the season, and if they can maintain the level of tonights performance, and avoid kerry in the draw, there further advance is certainly possible, indeed probable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on July 25, 2010, 10:54:38 AM
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on July 25, 2010, 11:14:28 AM
congrats to Down on the great display against Sligo at Breffni Park.The decision to go man-for-man in defence worked well and much sharper in the forward line.I think Danny Hughes got MOM,his early delivery of the ball to a team-mate makes him a better player all round and helps provide more good chances for his team-mates.The team as a whole worked very hard from the first whistle and was tipified as Ambrose chased a Sligo player who had the ball thirty yards even up to the dying minutes of the game.Murtagh threw down a marker for the next outing and McKernan helped tighten up the defence with McVeigh hardly having a save all night,the little get together in the middle of the pitch before Sligo appeared for the second half was well calculated,when have we recently been able to take off players like MC and BC and still retain the momentum and desire to drive on--Great stuff lads -WELL DONE!! (any news of when/time of the draws for the quarter finals)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 25, 2010, 12:54:10 PM
13 aside I'm with you but hadn't read your post until I posted on the Down Sligo thread.
The big decision was to swop Mc Kernan for Colgan- it certainly worked last night but Sligo are a footballing side. I would fancy our chances against any team who play direct football as the Sevens tradition in Down has produced players like Mark Poland, who excels in games like last night. Yet when we come up against teams who have set their focus on doing whatever it takes to win ( fair or foul), we might need to revert back to the system with Colgan central to it. Clearly Tyrone are market leaders but Cork,Meath, Kildare and to a lesser extent, Kerry, will play that game
The draw , again will be critical. We can't play Tyrone until SF so Roscommon or Meath are beatable.Kerry would be hell of a test but I have no fear.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on July 25, 2010, 02:52:01 PM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on July 25, 2010, 02:52:27 PM
think we can play Tyrone next thought king was super last night and murtagh must start next week our last 2 outings in croke park were not good so thats another hurdle never mind who we get in the draw but looking forward to it down should be full off confidence
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on July 25, 2010, 04:26:40 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on July 25, 2010, 12:54:10 PM
13 aside I'm with you but hadn't read your post until I posted on the Down Sligo thread.
The big decision was to swop Mc Kernan for Colgan- it certainly worked last night but Sligo are a footballing side. I would fancy our chances against any team who play direct football as the Sevens tradition in Down has produced players like Mark Poland, who excels in games like last night. Yet when we come up against teams who have set their focus on doing whatever it takes to win ( fair or foul), we might need to revert back to the system with Colgan central to it. Clearly Tyrone are market leaders but Cork,Meath, Kildare and to a lesser extent, Kerry, will play that game
The draw , again will be critical. We can't play Tyrone until SF so Roscommon or Meath are beatable.Kerry would be hell of a test but I have no fear.

Think we can play Tyrone as Superblues said, if it was the case that we couldnt face previous team played Dublin couldn't face Meath, Cork Couldnt face Kerry! So i'd say we have chance to be drawn again any of the teams hoping we get Roscommon!!
Thought Down were immense last night, very surprised at scoreline in the end but always thought they would have shaded it. Everyone of the players were top class, moving Garvey into the centre tightened up the middle and with McKernan and Rooney running up and down wings all night we were unstoppable. Also the movement and ball retention of the six forwards was brilliant. But the mid field is where the game was won, nearly every kickout was won or fell to Down man putting us on the front foot from the off. Ambrose was very good but my man of the match was big Kalum King, he was unreal. He caught alot of ball and never stopped all night!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on July 25, 2010, 08:22:50 PM
Will the club championship still go ahead as planned?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 25, 2010, 08:34:54 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on July 25, 2010, 08:22:50 PM
Will the club championship still go ahead as planned?

I would think so, championship due on 5th to the 8th, now if they win that could make a difference. I can see a lot of games being called off this weekend due to the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 25, 2010, 08:53:57 PM
We are playing Kerry next weekend , who GAF if the club games go ahead.
Its gonna be a long week worrying about playing the kingdom. Down could get tanked here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 25, 2010, 09:10:26 PM
Wed July 28th (7 30)

O Neills ACHL Div 1
Portaferry v Liatroim(L Quinn)
Ballela v Bredagh(K Mc Guinness)
Kilclief v Ballycran(S Mc Greevy)
Shamrocks v Warrenpoint(D Kearns)
Ballyvarley v Ballygalget(D Carr)

Thurs 29th July(7 30)

O Neills ACFL Div 4
Teconnaught v Bright(P Mc Cartan)

Fri 30th July(7 30)

O Neills ACFL Div 3
Ardglass v Drumgath(G Corrigan)
Drumaness v Saul(S O Hanlon)
Bredagh v St Johns(P Brannigan)
Glasdrumman v St John Bosco(M Rawlinson)

O Neills ACFL Div 4
Ballykinlar v Aghaderg(S Lowey)
St Pauls v Mitchels(E Mulvenna)
St Micheals v Dromara(M Devlin)

Sun Aug 1st(2 00)

O Neills ACPRL Div 1
Saval v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v An Riocht
Kilcoo v Burren
Clonduff v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Loughinisland

O Neills ACPRL Div 2
Ballymartin v Carryduff
Bredagh v Downpatrick
Clann na Banna v Ballyholland
St Johns v Tullylish
Liatroim v Annaclone

Mon Aug 2nd (7 30)

O Neills ACFL Div 1
Rostrevor v Bryansford(N Cousins)
Castlewellan v Liatroim(G Tumelty)
Burren v Clonduff(D Moore)
Longstone v An Riocht(C Brannigan)
Kilcoo v Mayobridge(B Rice)

O Neills ACFL Div 2
Clanna na Banna v Tullylish(D Laverty)
Ballyholland v Kilclief(E Mc Carthy)
Warrenpoint v Loughinisland(D Carr)
Annaclone v Atticall(S Flynn)
Downpatrick v Saval(J Killen)
Ballymartin v Shamrocks(A Grant)

O Neills ACFL Div 3
Glenn v Dundrum(D Brogan)
Carryduff v Darragh Cross(E O Hare)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 26, 2010, 12:05:47 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 25, 2010, 08:53:57 PM
We are playing Kerry next weekend , who GAF if the club games go ahead.
Its gonna be a long week worrying about playing the kingdom. Down could get tanked here

Thats a great attitude to have Snoop! NOT!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on July 26, 2010, 10:24:53 PM
Is there not a rule in Down that clubs get 6 clear days before Champ'ship match?
Unfair that Harps v Reds on 3 nights after they play club games

Any precedent?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 26, 2010, 10:45:29 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on July 26, 2010, 10:24:53 PM
Is there not a rule in Down that clubs get 6 clear days before Champ'ship match?
Unfair that Harps v Reds on 3 nights after they play club games

Any precedent?

F**k it. At least we are getting the county boys on Monday night. That's the main thing. County board are trying to appease the clubs with this one after they shafted us last month.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 27, 2010, 06:11:30 PM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 27, 2010, 11:50:49 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on July 26, 2010, 10:24:53 PM
Is there not a rule in Down that clubs get 6 clear days before Champ'ship match?
Unfair that Harps v Reds on 3 nights after they play club games

Any precedent?

Co board really outdone themselves here! Weirdest set of fixtures I've seen in a while!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on July 29, 2010, 07:05:04 PM
Did Gubber get a straight red card for the Ford reserves?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 29, 2010, 10:12:00 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on July 29, 2010, 07:05:04 PM
Did Gubber get a straight red card for the Ford reserves?

Yeah for the ford thirds last night against Kilcoo for serious decent towards the referee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on July 30, 2010, 01:12:41 AM
First man to be sent off for being decent to a referee
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 30, 2010, 02:21:42 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 29, 2010, 10:12:00 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on July 29, 2010, 07:05:04 PM
Did Gubber get a straight red card for the Ford reserves?

Yeah for the ford thirds last night against Kilcoo for serious decent towards the referee.

Thirds ????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 30, 2010, 08:40:08 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 30, 2010, 02:21:42 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 29, 2010, 10:12:00 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on July 29, 2010, 07:05:04 PM
Did Gubber get a straight red card for the Ford reserves?

Yeah for the ford thirds last night against Kilcoo for serious decent towards the referee.

Thirds ????

Yeah lined out at number 9.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on July 30, 2010, 11:18:28 AM
If anyone is interested in how Jamie is getting on in Oz can read about it in the link below

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/99335/default.aspx

Seems to be going well, although we could do with him back this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on July 30, 2010, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on July 30, 2010, 11:18:28 AM
If anyone is interested in how Jamie is getting on in Oz can read about it in the link below

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/99335/default.aspx

Seems to be going well, although we could do with him back this year
good luck to him!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 30, 2010, 12:56:28 PM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 30, 2010, 01:03:29 PM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone (Draw)

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on July 30, 2010, 05:29:30 PM
This time tomorrow night lads, some may be driving up the road in their cars, some may be on the bus, some might be on the beer in th hotel, but doesn't matter were you're at, we'll all be talking about the same thing, Down beating Kerry in the All-Ireland Quarter Final ;)

Out in force tomorrow lads, flags and all at the ready.

Good luck to th down team tomorrow, you've got the backing of the county, just gt out, play your football and do yourselves proud... An Dun Abu
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on July 30, 2010, 08:32:35 PM
im with u ned, good luck to the management and team, hope there are thousands of Down supporters to cheer them on COME ON DOWN!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on July 30, 2010, 09:58:10 PM
DIV 3 RESULT

Ardglass   0-7
Drumgath 1-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 30, 2010, 10:25:54 PM
If Brick Tamlin draw comes true does that mean he gets a second prediction in the replay?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 31, 2010, 12:05:39 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on July 30, 2010, 05:29:30 PM
This time tomorrow night lads, some may be driving up the road in their cars, some may be on the bus, some might be on the beer in th hotel, but doesn't matter were you're at, we'll all be talking about the same thing, Down beating Kerry in the All-Ireland Quarter Final ;)

Out in force tomorrow lads, flags and all at the ready.
Good luck to th down team tomorrow, you've got the backing of the county, just gt out, play your football and do yourselves proud... An Dun Abu

From what I hear Ned the Co Office was flat out this last locka days.....queues out the door for tickets...I'd say we will have a good crew in Croker tomorrow.......however on a negative note.... one of our boys was in the line for tickets and when he got sorted out he was walking out and happened to notice Paddy Doherty at the tail end of the queue waiting his turn....in the name of jesus would a man like that not be entitled to two free tickets to EVERY Down game...would Micko, McGeeny, Paidi Se or boys like that have to stand like a p***k to buy tickets....I'd seriously doubt it.....sort it out Down County Board
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on July 31, 2010, 07:38:02 AM
i think that until recently former senior ai winners had the oppertunity to apply for tickets whether that meant buying themselves or not,but i overheard a ai senior winner  from Down in the nineties saying that this had been halted. now i dont know if it was from croker or our own cb that did this, but it does seem disrespectful and bordering on shameful if this is the case and should be altered if not by hq then our own cb-come on true gaelic and Down supporters lets have your comments--UP DOWN!!   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 31, 2010, 09:44:14 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on July 30, 2010, 10:25:54 PM
If Brick Tamlin draw comes true does that mean he gets a second prediction in the replay?

Only outright winners is accepted

Brick Tamlin need to choose the winner of Liatroim v Longstone

Also same for Bacon re; Mayobridge v Warrenpoint.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on July 31, 2010, 07:11:57 PM
What a win for down absolutly brilliant, well done lads and good luck for the semi.
Does the championship stil go ahead next week as planned?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on July 31, 2010, 08:07:15 PM
wonderful work ethic all over the pitch and some clinical finishing-the best for many years,management got it right all over the pitch with players effective throughout.Previous unsung heroes such as King,McVeigh,Poland(!),and McComiskey,added to Rodgers,Coulter, Clarke and co  have given every Down supporter far and wide back their pride-THANK YOU ALL!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on August 01, 2010, 01:30:47 AM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on August 01, 2010, 02:08:01 AM
why dont u all  say thanks for the progress so far at least
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on August 01, 2010, 02:37:09 AM
 thanks for the progress so far
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on August 01, 2010, 07:49:39 AM
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 01, 2010, 12:33:52 PM
Liatroim v Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on August 01, 2010, 01:04:11 PM
Well lads, you can use whatever words you want to describe yesterdays performance,  i am in dreamland. I thought Down might have won, but to play Kerry of the pitch, i just cant credit the boys enough. Mark Poland And Martin Clarke stole the show yesterday, and Brendan McVeigh was a hero to say the least, i don't think Ive seen down play as well for a long time, I'm sure you all agre Down have a great chance for number 6 ( Here's hoping)
Huge credit has to go to wee James and his background team, they had Kerry scouted to a tee and the boys worked tirelessly to carry out their instructions!
But can anyone tell me what the penalty was for, I'm my opinion, is was a consolation thing, make there scoreline creditable, you know what i mean boys.

An Dun Abu
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 01, 2010, 03:04:24 PM
All of tomorrow night's Senior games have been called off by the CCC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 01, 2010, 03:21:22 PM
Still no word on championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on August 01, 2010, 03:26:46 PM
surly championship will have to be off also teams wont have played in weeks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on August 01, 2010, 03:58:14 PM
I hear its definitly on, but all games have to be run off before Monday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on August 01, 2010, 04:27:27 PM
Anybody else having the same problem as me, Cant stop smiling!  ;D

Whats it going to take to get a bit of belief in this county though. My owl boy was in the point last night, talkin to some other old fogey, and obviously got talking about the match. the conversation started with, Jaysus Down played some stuff today, to which the reply was, aye they did well, but they'll go no further! Can you beleive that?! Hows a team meant to do anything if half the people in the county are saying shit like that. If every football fan in Down became a supporter, we would make some noise at a match, but some people seem intent to see the team fail, for whatever reason. Same thing happend when the draw was made, father in law says aw f**k thats them hammered now, i says we can win that game, he says i must be dreaming. And him meant to follow the football. A bit of beleif goes a long long way. Whats it gunna take to make people get behind the team rather than badmouthing them, if yesterday doesnt do it, I dont know what will!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 01, 2010, 04:45:46 PM
Quote from: No hoper on August 01, 2010, 03:58:14 PM
I hear its definitly on, but all games have to be run off before Monday.

2nd July - 5th aug is a long time without a competitive  match no matter how much training etc teams do! Hard situation to call!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 01, 2010, 06:17:33 PM
County Board are sorting out how the fixtures are going to pan out for the next few weeks at their meeting on Wednesday night. Championship is still going ahead this week albeit with a few changes in regards to venues and times.

Morgan Milk Senior Football Championship
Thurs Aug 5th Mayobridge 7 30
Ballyholland v Rostrevor(L Smith)

Fri Aug 6th Clonduff 7 30
Castlewellan v Bryansford(C Brannigan)

Sat Aug 7th Saval 6 00
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint(S O Hanlon)

Sat Aug 7th Saval 7 30
An Riocht v Clonduff(G Corrigan)

Sun Aug 8th An Riocht 2 00
Ballymartin v Saval(E O Hare)

Sun 8th Aug Castlewellan 3 30
Downpatrick v Kilcoo(B Rice)

Sun Aug 8th Castlewellan 5 00
Burren v Loughinisland(C Reynolds)

Sun Aug 8th Newcastle 6 30
Liatroim v Longstone(G Tumelty)


Around a Pound Intermediate Football Championship
Thurs Aug 5th Ballymartin 7 30
Drumgath v Saul(K Trainor)

Fri Aug 6th Dundrum 7 30
Darragh Cross v Atticall(P Brannigan)

Sat Aug 7th Downpatrick 2 00
Bredagh v Tullylish(G Brannigan)

Sat Aug 7th Downpatrick 3 30
Dundrum v Carryduff(HP Mc Cusker)

Sun Aug 8th Bright 1 00
Ardglass v St Johns(A Grant)

Sun Aug 8th Burren 1 00
Glenn v Clann na Banna(D Laverty)

Sun Aug 8th Burren 2 30
Annaclone v Shamrocks(N Cousins)

Sun Aug 8th Ballykinlar 3 00
Kilclief v Glasdrumman(P Toner)

Around a Pound Junior Football Championship

Mon Aug 9th Dundrum 7 30
Bright v Ballykinlar(D Cotter)

Fri Aug 6th Glenn 7 30
Aghaderg v St Micheals(D Brogan)

Mon Aug 9th Drumgath 7 30
Dromara v St John Bosco(D Kearns)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 01, 2010, 08:06:57 PM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 01, 2010, 09:59:45 PM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on August 01, 2010, 10:08:25 PM

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St John
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on August 01, 2010, 10:29:04 PM
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on August 02, 2010, 02:35:26 AM
Ballyholland v Rostrever
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Attical
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann Na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glassdrumman


Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 02, 2010, 01:21:49 PM
Is there any games on in Down tonight???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 02, 2010, 01:29:36 PM
Could someone put up the division three table please!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 02, 2010, 02:17:28 PM
Quote from: off the laces on August 02, 2010, 01:29:36 PM
Could someone put up the division three table please!!!!

ACFL Division 3
Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts

Glasdrumman  16 13 3 0 273 188 85 26
--------------------------------------------------------
Drumgath  16 10 5 1 208 191 17 21
Darragh Cross  15 7 5 3 190 177 13 17
-----------------------------------------------------------
Carryduff  15 7 6 2 180 165 15 16
Glenn  15 7 7 1 201 177 24 15
St Johns  16 7 8 1 186 181 5 15
Bredagh  16 6 7 3 214 210 4 15
Dundrum  15 7 7 1 195 198 -3 15
--------------------------------------------------------
Saul  16 6 8 2 210 247 -37 14
Ardglass  16 6 8 2 182 241 -59 14
St John Bosco  16 4 8 4 211 223 -12 12
---------------------------------------------------------
Drumaness  16 4 12 0 198 250 -52 8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clann29 on August 02, 2010, 02:32:13 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 02, 2010, 01:21:49 PM
Is there any games on in Down tonight???
yes banbridge play tullylish should be a good game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 02, 2010, 03:39:53 PM
Why is there some games on but others called off?
Surely the County Board realised the situation with the Club Championship when they rescheduled games for tonight in the first place??  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 02, 2010, 03:55:28 PM
Quote from: clann29 on August 02, 2010, 02:32:13 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 02, 2010, 01:21:49 PM
Is there any games on in Down tonight???
yes banbridge play tullylish should be a good game

Are you sure about that clann29.

This was the e mail sent out by Seán Rooney yesterday...it's pretty self explanatory and it went to every club in Down as far as I can see.

A Chara
Due to the fact that all County Players would not be available to play for their clubs tomorrow nights league games are postponed.
is mise
Sean O Ruanaidh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 02, 2010, 05:29:57 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 02, 2010, 02:17:28 PM
Quote from: off the laces on August 02, 2010, 01:29:36 PM
Could someone put up the division three table please!!!!

ACFL Division 3
Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts

Glasdrumman  16 13 3 0 273 188 85 26
--------------------------------------------------------
Drumgath  16 10 5 1 208 191 17 21
Darragh Cross  15 7 5 3 190 177 13 17
-----------------------------------------------------------
Carryduff  15 7 6 2 180 165 15 16
Glenn  15 7 7 1 201 177 24 15
St Johns  16 7 8 1 186 181 5 15
Bredagh  16 6 7 3 214 210 4 15
Dundrum  15 7 7 1 195 198 -3 15
--------------------------------------------------------
Saul  16 6 8 2 210 247 -37 14
Ardglass  16 6 8 2 182 241 -59 14
St John Bosco  16 4 8 4 211 223 -12 12
---------------------------------------------------------
Drumaness  16 4 12 0 198 250 -52 8

Cheers DF sure is close around mid table
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 02, 2010, 08:16:14 PM
Ballyholland v Rostrever
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Attical
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann Na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glassdrumman

Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on August 02, 2010, 10:22:31 PM
Ballyholland v Rostrever
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Attical
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann Na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glassdrumman

Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on August 03, 2010, 09:27:05 AM
Banbridge beat Tullylish by 6 or 7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on August 03, 2010, 10:44:04 AM

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 03, 2010, 11:02:16 AM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on August 03, 2010, 12:18:03 PM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo (The Heart is ruling my head)
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 03, 2010, 02:04:09 PM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 03, 2010, 03:08:04 PM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 03, 2010, 03:25:53 PM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone
Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 03, 2010, 04:05:07 PM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco



can anybody post odds of the games from local bookmakers if there even is any? wouldnt mind a wee punt
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on August 03, 2010, 04:58:37 PM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack4ever on August 03, 2010, 06:31:16 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on August 01, 2010, 04:27:27 PM
Anybody else having the same problem as me, Cant stop smiling!  ;D

Whats it going to take to get a bit of belief in this county though. My owl boy was in the point last night, talkin to some other old fogey, and obviously got talking about the match. the conversation started with, Jaysus Down played some stuff today, to which the reply was, aye they did well, but they'll go no further! Can you beleive that?! Hows a team meant to do anything if half the people in the county are saying shit like that. If every football fan in Down became a supporter, we would make some noise at a match, but some people seem intent to see the team fail, for whatever reason. Same thing happend when the draw was made, father in law says aw f**k thats them hammered now, i says we can win that game, he says i must be dreaming. And him meant to follow the football. A bit of beleif goes a long long way. Whats it gunna take to make people get behind the team rather than badmouthing them, if yesterday doesnt do it, I dont know what will!!

I agree 100%... It was a briilliant performance all around. I still am finding it hard to believe, but the boys did it.

Kildare isn't going to be an easy game by any stretch of the imagination. McGeeney has them firing on all cylinders right now and the fact that he is an Armagh man, he'll be motivated to put Down out. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Down will be beaten, but I haven't made any plans for the third Sunday in September yet.

One game at a time, as the saying goes.

Mrs. redandblack4ever
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trap 2 on August 03, 2010, 06:39:09 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on August 03, 2010, 04:58:37 PM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum  v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on August 04, 2010, 01:51:32 PM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 04, 2010, 02:27:02 PM
Some amount of entrants for the prediction league this season!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on August 04, 2010, 03:08:09 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 04, 2010, 02:27:02 PM
Some amount of entrants for the prediction league this season!

I still have three of the prizes sitting in the office that weren't collected at the end of last years prediction league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 04, 2010, 04:47:12 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 04, 2010, 02:27:02 PM
Some amount of entrants for the prediction league this season!

Just out of interest Umpire, how many folks have entered it this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 04, 2010, 04:48:22 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on August 04, 2010, 03:08:09 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 04, 2010, 02:27:02 PM
Some amount of entrants for the prediction league this season!

I still have three of the prizes sitting in the office that weren't collected at the end of last years prediction league.

I could get one for.........trying?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 04, 2010, 05:21:06 PM
Fcukit here goes....

2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on August 04, 2010, 09:41:16 PM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on August 04, 2010, 09:42:32 PM
Predictions
SFC
Rostrevor
Bryansford
Mayobridge
Clonduff
Kilcoo
Burren
Saval
Longstone

IFC
Drumgath
Darragh Cross
Tullylish
Carryduff
St.Johns
Clann Na Banna
Annaclone
Glassdrumman

JFC
Bright
Aghaderg
Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 04, 2010, 09:44:02 PM
Ah that's right!

Put mine back into this year's draw.

Who collates all the scores here? They're in for a long night on Monday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 04, 2010, 10:28:05 PM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 04, 2010, 10:29:16 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 04, 2010, 04:48:22 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on August 04, 2010, 03:08:09 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 04, 2010, 02:27:02 PM
Some amount of entrants for the prediction league this season!

I still have three of the prizes sitting in the office that weren't collected at the end of last years prediction league.

I could get one for.........trying?

Use my prize from last year for this year's comp if you so wish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 04, 2010, 10:40:17 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 04, 2010, 10:29:16 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 04, 2010, 04:48:22 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on August 04, 2010, 03:08:09 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 04, 2010, 02:27:02 PM
Some amount of entrants for the prediction league this season!

I still have three of the prizes sitting in the office that weren't collected at the end of last years prediction league.

I could get one for.........trying?

Use my prize from last year for this year's comp if you so wish.

If it was a bottle of vodka I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 04, 2010, 11:14:35 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on August 04, 2010, 04:47:12 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 04, 2010, 02:27:02 PM
Some amount of entrants for the prediction league this season!

Just out of interest Umpire, how many folks have entered it this year?

62 so far... last year 64.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 04, 2010, 11:26:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 04, 2010, 09:44:02 PM
Ah that's right!

Put mine back into this year's draw.

Who collates all the scores here? They're in for a long night on Monday.

I am on my own organising and collates all scores in this competition.

Newry Reporter has kindly offer the prizes last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 05, 2010, 01:05:37 AM
Ballyholland
Castlewellan
Mayobridge
Clonduff
Kilcoo
Burren
Saval
Longstone
 
Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath
Atticall
Tullylish
Carryduff
Ardglass
Clann na Banna
Shamrocks
Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright
St Micheals
St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on August 05, 2010, 01:50:22 AM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v  Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Superstar on August 05, 2010, 04:29:48 AM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v  Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: idontbelieveit on August 05, 2010, 12:46:14 PM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v  Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco

 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 05, 2010, 01:50:52 PM
Three rounds of League fixtures are to be played before Down's Semi Final on the 29th. Some county players will be released for these fixtures but those in and around the starting XV will not be available.

Regardless if Down win or lose against Kildare, all county players will be available to play in the remaining League fixtures after the Semi Final.

AFAIK, the three rounds of Division 3 fixtures that will be played before the Semi Final are Rounds 19, 20 and 21.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on August 05, 2010, 04:31:06 PM
2010 Prediction League
Senior Football Championship

Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Warrenpoint
An Riocht v Clonduff
Downpatrick v Kilcoo
Burren v Loughinisland
Ballymartin v Saval
Liatroim v Longstone

Intermediate Football Championship
Drumgath v Saul
Darragh Cross v Atticall
Bredagh v Tullylish
Dundrum v  Carryduff
Ardglass v St Johns
Glenn v Clann na Banna
Annaclone v Shamrocks
Kilclief v Glasdrumman

Junior Football Championship
Bright v Ballykinlar
Aghaderg v St Micheals
Dromara v St John Bosco

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on August 05, 2010, 08:18:27 PM
Halftimes:

SFC: B'Holland 0-8 R'trevor 0-3
IFC: Drumgath 0-6 Saul 0-4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on August 05, 2010, 08:57:51 PM
IFC FT: Drumgath 0-15 Saul 2-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on August 05, 2010, 09:04:50 PM
Ballyholland  win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 05, 2010, 09:56:04 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on August 05, 2010, 09:04:50 PM
Ballyholland  win
Bit of a shock that... any reports form it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 05, 2010, 09:59:17 PM
Great win and overall impressive team performance from the harps tonight in a 1-11 to 0-5 scoreline against a very mediocre Rostrevor team. Paul Murphy had a good hour in midfield while the brilliant Ronan Murtagh terrorised the reds blanket defence.

Ballyholland scores: Ronan Murtagh 1-5, Patrick Quinn 0-4 Kieran Murphy 0-1 and Tony Havern 0-1.

Rostrevor scores: Colm Clerkin 0-2, Sean Magee 0-1, loyd Parr 0-1 and Dermot Mackin 0-1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 05, 2010, 10:17:44 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 05, 2010, 09:59:17 PM
Great win and overall impressive team performance from the harps tonight in a 1-11 to 0-5 scoreline against a very mediocre Rostrevor team. Paul Murphy had a good hour in midfield while the brilliant Ronan Murtagh terrorised the reds blanket defence.

Ballyholland scores: Ronan Murtagh 1-5, Patrick Quinn 0-4 Kieran Murphy 0-1 and Tony Havern 0-1.

Rostrevor scores: Colm Clerkin 0-2, Sean Magee 0-1, loyd Parr 0-1 and Dermot Mackin 0-1.

Good man MDG, never lets the side down when it comes to neutral games.
Discussion the day in relation to Rony Murtagh, suggesting he is one of the top 3 club players in Down, sadly not getting the chance to view club level at that consistency, I wouldn't know.
Just putting it out there to posters, who would be the top club players in Down? 
From only getting to see a trickle of games via the Senior championship I would say over the last number of years, Benny and Noel Sexton for me are the two who have consistently impressed me to a high degree, though obviously the bridge get more exposure than other clubs by their dominance in Down championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 05, 2010, 11:17:07 PM
Harps probably put on their best Championship performance in history tonight.

It wasn't a vintage Rosteevor team by any stretch, but had Murtagh and co brought their shooting boots with them, there could have been conceivably 15 points in it.

The workrate, intensity and desire were sublime. I reaaly don't think I've ever seen a Harps team tackle and harry like that. So top marks to Shane, Cathal and Ciaran.

It's difficult to pick a man of the match tonight, but Paul Murphy's fielding, Robbie White's support play and Damien Campbell's brilliance in defence all deserve a special mention.



As for best club players in Down, for the past 5 years or so, the like of Murtagh, Coulter, Ronan Sexton and Clarke have continually excelled. Sexton is the odd one there in that the others are one man scoring machines, but he has been the exemplerary link man.

Others who have rarely done anything other than impress for the clubs when I've seen them are Miceal Sloan, John Boyle, Conor Daly, Shane Ward, Anthony Devlin, Aidan Shields,
Colm Kearney, Liam McVeigh, James McGovern, Ryan Kelly, Damian McGrady, Mark Doran, Darren Cunningham, Joe Doran, Damien Campbell, Ciaran Sloan (kilclief), Gavin Barry, Brendan Grant, Dominic McEvoy, Peter Turley (hoops), Johnstone from Tullylish, Cormac Murphy and last but not least, Damien Rafferty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 06, 2010, 12:12:49 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 05, 2010, 09:59:17 PM
Great win and overall impressive team performance from the harps tonight in a 1-11 to 0-5 scoreline against a very mediocre Rostrevor team. Paul Murphy had a good hour in midfield while the brilliant Ronan Murtagh terrorised the reds blanket defence.

Ballyholland scores: Ronan Murtagh 1-5, Patrick Quinn 0-4 Kieran Murphy 0-1 and Tony Havern 0-1.

Rostrevor scores: Colm Clerkin 0-2, Sean Magee 0-1, loyd Parr 0-1 and Dermot Mackin 0-1.

Very dissapointing from our point of view. Seemed to be second to everything and generally looked like we lacked the desire necessary to win this sort of game. Credit to the harps as has been mentioned they worked tirelessly all game and gave great support to each other on and off the ball! Hard to pick a main man but thought Paul Murphy was excellent. In saying this, rostrevor didn't put up much of a challenge to him or his team mates around the middle!

Another championship year passed us by in the first round - our lads need to look at themselves and ask dovthey really want to play for the shirt or are they happy to just turn up. Bitterly dissapointing. Any other neutrals at the game apart from MDG?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 06, 2010, 12:15:20 AM
Also what did anyone think of Leo tonight? Some poor decisions I feel. Not that it stopped us from winning/competing but didn't think he handled the game too well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 06, 2010, 07:59:04 AM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on August 05, 2010, 08:57:51 PM
IFC FT: Drumgath 0-15 Saul 2-7

SP, is there no report on this one, who stood out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on August 06, 2010, 08:30:42 AM
Supersub, does Aidy Mackin still play for you? Went to school with him, he was unreal underage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 06, 2010, 08:31:45 AM
Some result for the Harps.  Murtagh is without doubt the most devastating forward we've ever come up against (although we haven't played in Div 1 in 30 years  :o).  Lethal pace and excellent finisher.

Unlucky S*ul, maybe the new soccer team up there is having an effect.....................
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 06, 2010, 09:02:48 AM
Quote from: Wee Shea on August 06, 2010, 08:30:42 AM
Supersub, does Aidy Mackin still play for you? Went to school with him, he was unreal underage.

Yeh Aidy still plays but unfortunately due to work/family commitments he has not been able to commit to the senior team over the last year or so. Played a few reserve games at start of the year and easily the best player on show. Big loss, could do with his scoring!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 06, 2010, 10:17:20 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 05, 2010, 09:56:04 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on August 05, 2010, 09:04:50 PM
Ballyholland  win
Bit of a shock that... any reports form it?

The Rostrevor boys didnt know what hit them last night. Harps put up a high intensity performance from start to finish and from from 1 to 20 which they simply couldnt get to grips with at all. As The Wobbler said they were lucky they werent beaten by twice as much....the Harps were that good. Although Murtagh scored 1-4 he wasn't firing on all cylinders. He had a dose of the Johnny Doyle yips in the first half and should have really killed Rostrevor off on his own by half time.

Its a credit to the work Shane, Cathal and Kieran are doing with these boys...as John Rafferty said to them after the game last night...you reap what you sow. First senior championship win in 10 years and I've a feeling it can be built upon if the draw is kind to us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 06, 2010, 10:18:43 AM
Ballyholland were by far the hungrier side and never looked like loosing.  Both sides played the short passing game and it wasn't pretty at times but Rostrevor's final ball into their forward division was terrible nearly all night.  Ballyholland just mopped it all up.  I thought Leo did alright, he got the square ball decision for the disallowed Ballyholland goal correct.  Both players were in the square when the ball was passed.  Rostrevor will find it hard to lift themselves for the rest of the league and could be in trouble.  Well done to Ballyholland very deserving winners.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on August 06, 2010, 11:09:19 AM
Great win for the Harps last night. It was a similar performance to that of Down's on Saturday were by the underdog showed more hunger and desire to turn their opponents over and come out on top.

Mayobridge's new field looking pretty good. When's it opening? Car park could do with a bit of maintenance.  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on August 06, 2010, 11:35:47 AM
Drumgath 0-15 Saul 2-7

Saul took the lead after eight minutes through Nathan Keenan
Miceal Quinn levelled matters three minutes later.
The sides were level again midway through the half at 0-2 apiece.
Drumgath opened a four-point gap with McConville, Mark Connolly (2) and Peter Hynes scoring.
Two late frees from Keenan brought Saul back into the game 0-6 to 0-4 at half-time.
Drumgath opened the scoring after the break with points from Stephen Parsons and Declan Sheeran.
Saul struck back with a goal from Paul Ferris - 0-8 to 1-4.
Sheeran and Ferris exchanged points before Keenan grabbed the equaliser - 0-9 to 1-6
Two Connolly points and one from McConville put Drumgath three ahead.
Saul struck for their second goal from Michael Vint - 0-12 to 2-6.
Vint put Saul ahead with a point
Two McConville points edged Drumgath back in front before Sheeran hit a point on the stroke of full-time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 06, 2010, 01:04:23 PM
The new field in the Bridge will be ready for next season.  The sorting the car park is to be done in the last phase of the development hopefully next year.

Bryansford Castlewellan should be a good one tonight.  Castlewellan could really do with the win tonight to put some life into their season, but I can't see anything other than a Bryansford win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Radda bout yeee on August 06, 2010, 03:01:40 PM
I know this is slightly of subject but thought someone on this board would know

What were the teams lined out for down in the all ireland finals in 1991 and 1994?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 06, 2010, 07:24:59 PM
Rostrevor 0-5 Ballyholland 1-11

We went to the bridge looking for a win
Ballyholland the opposition, losing would be a sin
The teams arrived early ready for battle
Hard to call this one, harps will give it a rattle.
The crowd stood eagerly awaiting the action
'Reds in the next round' they were hoping would be the caption.

The game threw in and it was all guns a blazing
Harps were at full tilt, the intensity amazing
Reds got the first score, threw young Sean Magee
But not long after the harps had three.
Murtagh was flying, he was a hard man to mark
With the towering Murphy the difference was stark.

Havern struck out, McGrath went to ground
But Leo bottled it, just a yellow he found.
Coming up to half time a leak at the back,
Murtagh burst through the defending was slack.
The troops trotted off, reds losing by five
It will take some effort to keep this game alive.

The second half began and went much the same way,
Harps knocked over again, it wasn't the reds day.
Leo pulled over to the line by his mate,
A strike by McGrath, red card was his fate.
How could this be, the first half saw the same
Though only yellow for Havern, the ref was to blame!

The game went on and there wasn't much fight
Rostrevor lost out, no work rate no bite.
All credit to Harps they did their club proud
Celebration after this must have been allowed!
And so it's gone by, another first round defeat
It's not a good feeling this old 'getting beat'.

Where do they go now? Where to begin?
Hopefully next year we will get that first round win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 06, 2010, 07:46:30 PM
Top class supersub!

Didn't get to tonights game any updates appreciated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on August 06, 2010, 08:48:38 PM
ford match draw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on August 06, 2010, 08:50:21 PM
bryansford 1-9 castlewellan 2-6 think ford got a fifty at the last 2 draw it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on August 06, 2010, 09:22:03 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on August 06, 2010, 03:01:40 PM
I know this is slightly of subject but thought someone on this board would know

What were the teams lined out for down in the all ireland finals in 1991 and 1994?
http://hoganstand.com/Down/Profile.aspx
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 06, 2010, 09:25:43 PM
IFC
Darragh Cross 2-12  Atticall 0-10

Darragh led 1-04 to 0-06 at halftime. A Hugh Murray penalty just before HT got Darragh back into it.

Atticall offered little resistance in the 2nd half. Darragh played some lovely direct football. Hugh Murray stroked in a second penalty for them halfway through.

Murray was the best player on view with 2-05 to his name. Marcus Miskelly, Paddy Branney, Padraig Mageean and Rory Miskelly were others to impress. Atticall lacked leadership and a cutting edge up front.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on August 06, 2010, 09:53:23 PM
JFC

St Michael's 1-12 Aghaderg 0-7

H-T: St Michael's 0-6 Aghaderg 0-4
St Michael's hit 1-6 in first 12 minutes of the second half - game over - although they didn't score after that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 06, 2010, 10:06:23 PM
The Ballyholland and Darragh Cross results will have an interesting influence on the predictions competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 06, 2010, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 06, 2010, 10:06:23 PM
The Ballyholland and Darragh Cross results will have an interesting influence on the predictions competition.

very interesting indeed, 50% so far, wonder has anyone 100%
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 06, 2010, 10:57:55 PM
Breaking News!!

Prediction League update

67 entries
4 Completed games so far.

Only 3 Entries with 4 correct results. 
mournerambler
western exile
Meatsy86

17 entries with 3 correct
Title: ford v town
Post by: True Blue on August 06, 2010, 11:06:17 PM
as a neutral it wasnt great football but the closeness of the score in the last10 minutes made it entertaining. if the town had of held out, bryansford would only have themselves to blame. it took them 10 minutes to recover from the early goal but ciaran brannigan & danny savage were tearing them apart and then ford stopped giving them the ball. they were ahead by 2 at ht and in the 2nd half went 1-7 to 1-2 up and looked comfortable when duffin scored a fantastic goal a point from mckibben and fintan mcgreevy found his shooting boots to fire over a few frees and the town found themselves 1 up going into injury time. Ford had a 45 with practically the last kick which fell short only and with 4/5 bodies going for the ball it was fisted over the bar. ford survive town probably disappointed and the replay is to be played after the AI semi
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 07, 2010, 11:36:40 AM
Conor Maginn punched the 45 over the bar in injury time to draw the game.

Bryansford Team:
Peter Travers, Jim Magorian, Stevie Toner, Luke Byrne, Luke Howard, Aidan Shields, David McKibben, Phillip Bonny, Kalum King, Chris Clarke, Conor Maginn (0.02), Chris Brannigan, Danny Savage (0.01), Conor Gribben (1.01), Ciaran Brannigan (0.05)
Subs Used: Neil Murray for Luke Howard, Colm Kearney for Chris Clarke

Castlewellan Team:
Michael Cunningham, Aidan Brogan, Ruairi McArdle, Fearghal McLaughlin, Patrick Boyle (0.01), Kevin Duffin (2.01), Barry Travers, Fintan McGreevy (0.03), Mark Stratton, Cathal Crilly (0.01), Damien McGrady, Luke Toner, Sean Russell, Liam McKibben, David Gilmore
Subs Used: Rory Brogan for Sean Russell

   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 07, 2010, 12:07:03 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 06, 2010, 07:46:30 PM
Top class supersub!

Didn't get to tonights game any updates appreciated.

It'll do as my match report - still in despair!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on August 07, 2010, 12:26:19 PM
Darragh Cross were playing on all cylinders last night showing the form which took them to the last Final. Looked sharp all over the pitch. The forwards were on top and the defence bottled their forwards rarely conceeding possession. Attical couldnt get into their stride. Superb performances for Darragh Cross all over the pitch. A complete team performance. And fair play to the ref, he had a superb game. Made this one enjoyable to watch. Looking forward to seeing a few more open games this weekend and a few more shocks. Will help with my predictions :o)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 07, 2010, 03:00:52 PM
Jesus Matt Fitzpatricks previews to the weekend championship fixtures are ridiculous. For the Dundrum v Carryduff game he mentions 6 Dundrum players and not a mention off their greatest player Paul McComiskey.
In Kilcoo v RGU game he refers to a Brian Brannigan in defence for us and there isnt even a Brian Brannigan from the parish never mind featuring tomorrow. Also he states that Sean Devlin and Nial Morgan have been in outstanding scoring form all season. Sean has hardly started a game all season while Nial Morgan is our full back. None off the forwards he mentioned have scored heavily while Anthony Devlin and especilally Donal and Barry Kane have been our top scorers.
In the Burren v Loughinisland preview he says the island will look too Ben ORielly and Cormac OToole for inspiration, both who are not even in the country at present.
I could go on all day but i think its time this man was freed off the role off this. Has never been up to the task and he continually uses the same phrases etc...  Rant over!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 07, 2010, 03:04:12 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 06, 2010, 07:24:59 PM
Rostrevor 0-5 Ballyholland 1-11

We went to the bridge looking for a win
Ballyholland the opposition, losing would be a sin
The teams arrived early ready for battle
Hard to call this one, harps will give it a rattle.
The crowd stood eagerly awaiting the action
'Reds in the next round' they were hoping would be the caption.

The game threw in and it was all guns a blazing
Harps were at full tilt, the intensity amazing
Reds got the first score, threw young Sean Magee
But not long after the harps had three.
Murtagh was flying, he was a hard man to mark
With the towering Murphy the difference was stark.

Havern struck out, McGrath went to ground
But Leo bottled it, just a yellow he found.
Coming up to half time a leak at the back,
Murtagh burst through the defending was slack.
The troops trotted off, reds losing by five
It will take some effort to keep this game alive.

The second half began and went much the same way,
Harps knocked over again, it wasn't the reds day.
Leo pulled over to the line by his mate,
A strike by McGrath, red card was his fate.
How could this be, the first half saw the same
Though only yellow for Havern, the ref was to blame!

The game went on and there wasn't much fight
Rostrevor lost out, no work rate no bite.
All credit to Harps they did their club proud
Celebration after this must have been allowed!
And so it's gone by, another first round defeat
It's not a good feeling this old 'getting beat'.

Where do they go now? Where to begin?
Hopefully next year we will get that first round win.

Superb stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 07, 2010, 05:01:55 PM
Really disapointing for Rostrevor management and players. They have lost in first round for past 2 years.
They need to pick up and win few games to stay out of bottom 3. going to be tough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on August 07, 2010, 05:25:53 PM
dundrum 0-16
carryduff 1-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 07, 2010, 05:37:23 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 07, 2010, 05:01:55 PM
Really disapointing for Rostrevor management and players. They have lost in first round for past 2 years.
They need to pick up and win few games to stay out of bottom 3. going to be tough.

Last three years! Loughisland hilltown ballyholland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on August 07, 2010, 07:03:02 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 07, 2010, 03:00:52 PM
Jesus Matt Fitzpatricks previews to the weekend championship fixtures are ridiculous. For the Dundrum v Carryduff game he mentions 6 Dundrum players and not a mention off their greatest player Paul McComiskey.
In Kilcoo v RGU game he refers to a Brian Brannigan in defence for us and there isnt even a Brian Brannigan from the parish never mind featuring tomorrow. Also he states that Sean Devlin and Nial Morgan have been in outstanding scoring form all season. Sean has not started a game all season while Nial Morgan is our full back. None off the forwards he mentioned have scored heavily while Anthony Devlin and especilally Donal and Barry Kane have been our top scorers.
In the Burren v Loughinisland preview he says the island will look too Ben ORielly and Cormac OToole for inspiration, both who are not even in the country at present.
I could go on all day but i think its time this man was freed off the role off this. Has never been up to the task and he continually uses the same phrases etc...  Rant over!
Totally agree- he has been awful for years. I remember a couple of years ago he mentioned 5 Castlewellan players who hadn't played for the team for at least a year and some for several years!!!! And he gets paid for that!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 07, 2010, 07:07:20 PM
Anybody out in Saval???? Any updates?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 07, 2010, 07:15:17 PM
Mayobridge 4-15
warrenpoint 0-8

Big crowd.

10 mins left
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 07, 2010, 07:20:19 PM
Bredagh beaten by Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 07, 2010, 07:34:36 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on August 07, 2010, 07:03:02 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 07, 2010, 03:00:52 PM
Jesus Matt Fitzpatricks previews to the weekend championship fixtures are ridiculous. For the Dundrum v Carryduff game he mentions 6 Dundrum players and not a mention off their greatest player Paul McComiskey.
In Kilcoo v RGU game he refers to a Brian Brannigan in defence for us and there isnt even a Brian Brannigan from the parish never mind featuring tomorrow. Also he states that Sean Devlin and Nial Morgan have been in outstanding scoring form all season. Sean has not started a game all season while Nial Morgan is our full back. None off the forwards he mentioned have scored heavily while Anthony Devlin and especilally Donal and Barry Kane have been our top scorers.
In the Burren v Loughinisland preview he says the island will look too Ben ORielly and Cormac OToole for inspiration, both who are not even in the country at present.
I could go on all day but i think its time this man was freed off the role off this. Has never been up to the task and he continually uses the same phrases etc...  Rant over!
Totally agree- he has been awful for years. I remember a couple of years ago he mentioned 5 Castlewellan players who hadn't played for the team for at least a year and some for several years!!!! And he gets paid for that!!!!!
Matt,I believe, has been sick for a while and is just finding his feet again.When you've all done as much for Down GAA as Matt Fitzpatrick has done you may be able to comment.He does his best and although it may not be up to the exacting standards expected nowadays,he has always done his best!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaaddict on August 07, 2010, 07:35:52 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on August 07, 2010, 07:15:17 PM
Mayobridge 4-15
warrenpoint 0-8

Big crowd.

10 mins left

Final result?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 07, 2010, 08:17:17 PM
Ft: mayobridge 4.19 warrenpoint 0.10

ht: an riocht 0-03 clonduff 0.01
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 07, 2010, 08:42:06 PM
Clonduff 1.01
an riocht 1.06

j Clark goal for the kingdom after j fegan scored clonduffs goal.

J Clarke on fire, 1.03
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 07, 2010, 09:04:14 PM
Clonduff 2.05
anriocht 1.08

Ft
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 07, 2010, 09:55:38 PM
The kingdom left that one behind in Saval. Six up with ten minutes left and let the yellows back into it. Why they wouldn keep kicking the ball into John Clarke is hard to understand as he cleaned the Clonduff defence.
The bridge didnt have to get out of second gear and stil hammered a poor point outfit. The Bridge are certainly the team to beat.

Mayobridge scorers: Cathal Magee 1-3, Ronan Sexton 1-2, Ryan Brady 1-2,  Brendan Coulter 0-4, Conor Garvey 1-1, Conleth OHare 0-1, John Caldwell 0-1, Adrian Barry 0-1, Shane Ohare 0-1, Miceal Lively 0-1, Seamus Grant 0-1 Michael Walsh 0-1 and Conleth OHare 0-1.

Warrenpoint scorers: Ross McGarry 0-6, Gary Boyle 0-3 and Rauiri Cown 0-1.

An Riocht scorers: John Clarke 1-3, Chris Killen 0-2, Paddy Cole 0-1, James Cunningham 0-1, Martin Clarke 0-1.

Clonduff scorers: Jason Brown 1-2, John Fegan 1-0, Paul McPolin 0-1, Aidan Carr 0-1 and Arthur McConnville 0-1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 07, 2010, 11:21:36 PM
Quote from: wobbller on August 07, 2010, 07:34:36 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on August 07, 2010, 07:03:02 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 07, 2010, 03:00:52 PM
Jesus Matt Fitzpatricks previews to the weekend championship fixtures are ridiculous. For the Dundrum v Carryduff game he mentions 6 Dundrum players and not a mention off their greatest player Paul McComiskey.
In Kilcoo v RGU game he refers to a Brian Brannigan in defence for us and there isnt even a Brian Brannigan from the parish never mind featuring tomorrow. Also he states that Sean Devlin and Nial Morgan have been in outstanding scoring form all season. Sean has not started a game all season while Nial Morgan is our full back. None off the forwards he mentioned have scored heavily while Anthony Devlin and especilally Donal and Barry Kane have been our top scorers.
In the Burren v Loughinisland preview he says the island will look too Ben ORielly and Cormac OToole for inspiration, both who are not even in the country at present.
I could go on all day but i think its time this man was freed off the role off this. Has never been up to the task and he continually uses the same phrases etc...  Rant over!
Totally agree- he has been awful for years. I remember a couple of years ago he mentioned 5 Castlewellan players who hadn't played for the team for at least a year and some for several years!!!! And he gets paid for that!!!!!
Matt,I believe, has been sick for a while and is just finding his feet again.When you've all done as much for Down GAA as Matt Fitzpatrick has done you may be able to comment.He does his best and although it may not be up to the exacting standards expected nowadays,he has always done his best!

I am not suggesting Matt has not done his best all i am asking for is accuracy in previews and reviews. Also, im not criticising what Matt has done for Down gaa in terms off administration, he is a great gael. But i think he could be more accurate. to say Carryduff v Dundrum is a local derby is just not right. a derby with two clubs 25 miles apart. I realise his job is not easy and its easy to pick holes, fair play to him for trying his best.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 07, 2010, 11:49:39 PM
Agreed MDG. Matt has done more for football coverage in this county than most, but the basic fact is there are only a handful of times in a year when Down club football gets a focus in the Irish News, and it really does need to be right.

Matt's assumptions have become legendary over the years, and no harm would ever arise from them, but the question has to be asked if he is the best man for this job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on August 08, 2010, 07:53:02 AM
thewobbler grow up you see you have the notion that you are always the best man for every job !! Inflated idea about your own capabilities ! Don't be so nasty and leave it to the legend that is Matt.( or don't buy the paper if you don't like it)
                                 



                    the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 08, 2010, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: dundroma on August 07, 2010, 05:25:53 PM
dundrum 0-16
carryduff 1-13

We were 0-08 0-04 down at halftime against the wind. They rattled in a goal at the start of the 2nd half and we looked dead and buried.

However, an outstanding period of football saw us bang over 8 points in a row. The highlight of this was McComiskey scoring five points from play in succession in the space of eight minutes.

We were two up approaching the hour mark but a Conall Earley free and a point with the last kick of the game from Cian Slevin levelled the game.

McComiskey was the star player on view ending up with 0-11 to his name. Decent enough game of football. Just a pity we have to wait five weeks for the replay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 08, 2010, 11:54:38 AM
That's a top class display of seeing what you want to see thegael.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 08, 2010, 12:07:28 PM
What the score of Bredagh and Tullylish?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 08, 2010, 12:15:06 PM
Tullylish won by 5.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on August 08, 2010, 02:14:31 PM
How is Luke Howard playing at the moment, i see that he was taken off against Castlewellan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trap 2 on August 08, 2010, 04:01:34 PM
saval beat ballymartin by 2!!! pretty poor game and the ref didnt help much either!!! saval slowed the whole game down the second half an there was only 1 minute added time!!!
saval happy enough tho into the quarter finals!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on August 08, 2010, 04:14:37 PM
Glenn 2-11
Banbridge 0-12

Annaclone were up by 5 points towards the end of their match so i would imagine they won too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 08, 2010, 05:12:06 PM
IFC
Annaclone  2 - 10   Shamrocks  1-08

IFC
Ardglass 1-08  St Johns 0-13

St Johns were definitely the better team here. Moved the ball well and took some great scores. They led 0-06 to 0-05 at the break and never really looked under much pressure in the second period.
Ardglass got a dubious penalty in the 2nd half to make it a little tighter but St Johns always had the edge.

IFC
Kilclief 4-10  Glasdrumman 1-09

Glasdrumman are walking away with Division 3 because no team can really match them in the physical stakes. Kilclief did exactly that in this game and they imposed themselves for much of the match. Glasdrumman took an early lead with a Connaire Harrison goal but Kilclief got themselves a goal and hit some good points to make it 1-05 each at halftime.
Glasdrumman only managed 0-04 in the 2nd half. Kilclief, with the wind behind their backs, dominated and scored 3-05 . Full forward Marty Craig ended up with a hatrick, two of which were penalties.

SFC - Kilcoo 2-11 Downpatrick 1-06
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 08, 2010, 07:15:59 PM
class win for glenn today, dominated through out, shay millar stood out with his two goals, the first which was particilar class!! unlucky for clann na banna,possibly came to the match thinking they already had the game won once they turned up!! bring on the next round

also wondering what way the championship will end up, if down keep winning and get to AI final what will happen? was told today that back in 94 teams had to be nominated for all ireland club championships because of the AI?? can anyone tell more about this??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on August 08, 2010, 07:23:48 PM
Burren 2-17 L'Island 0-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on August 08, 2010, 07:33:07 PM
13 different scorers for the bridge? Looks well, they werent up against much though tbh. After that first 10minutes dodgey patch, they never looked back. Whens the draw?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on August 08, 2010, 08:39:34 PM
any idea where you can find the east down reserve football league table?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 08, 2010, 09:18:28 PM
Quote from: outinfront on August 08, 2010, 08:39:34 PM
any idea where you can find the east down reserve football league table?

I'd say you have a better chance of finding holy water in an orange hall than you have of getting an up to date league table from ED board at any grade.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 08, 2010, 09:33:31 PM
Anyone got the championship draw??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 08, 2010, 11:02:21 PM
2010 Prediction League update
After 14 games.
3 Games drawn. your selections still stand for replay games.

4 leaders on 12 points.
conormac
Brick Tamlin
Bearly on loose
ApresMatch

There is 12 contestants on 11 points.

Will give full leader board tomorrow evening after 2 Junior games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 09, 2010, 06:40:03 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 08, 2010, 05:12:06 PM
SFC - Kilcoo 2-11 Downpatrick 1-06

We made very heavy going of it. Indeed, if it weren't for the 3 Brannigans in the full back line, Downpatrick could have been out of sight at half time.

After the first kilcoo goal through some great pressure on the Downpatrick half back line, you'd have thought "they'll go on to win easy now". Not so, the hoops goaled themselves shortly after when an ever so slightly misplaced pass coupled with some good pressure from the Downpatrick forwards left the back door wide open.

It was only till the last 15 mins or so that Kilcoo upped it (even then, just ever so slightly) to pull away. The best move of the game was a length of the field handpassing effort that moved the ball from inside our '21 to over the bar via Paul Devlin's boot in under 10 seconds.

But playing like that, we'll do well to go any further.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 09, 2010, 12:23:22 PM
Any major injury concerns after the weekends games???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 09, 2010, 12:29:54 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 09, 2010, 06:40:03 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 08, 2010, 05:12:06 PM
SFC - Kilcoo 2-11 Downpatrick 1-06

We made very heavy going of it. Indeed, if it weren't for the 3 Brannigans in the full back line, Downpatrick could have been out of sight at half time.

After the first kilcoo goal through some great pressure on the Downpatrick half back line, you'd have thought "they'll go on to win easy now". Not so, the hoops goaled themselves shortly after when an ever so slightly misplaced pass coupled with some good pressure from the Downpatrick forwards left the back door wide open.

It was only till the last 15 mins or so that Kilcoo upped it (even then, just ever so slightly) to pull away. The best move of the game was a length of the field handpassing effort that moved the ball from inside our '21 to over the bar via Paul Devlin's boot in under 10 seconds.

But playing like that, we'll do well to go any further.

Poor show from us yesterday all round. If John Connolly had have been fit we would have been in bigger trouble as Downpatrick faltered up front. Only we where able to spring a few off our injured players from the bench that where not fit for the full hour we where gone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 09, 2010, 02:51:15 PM
Seen a few games this weekend and the standard of football was poor for most of it!!! Ballyholland played brilliant on Thursday and their tackling put Rostrevor on the back front the whole evening!!! Rostrevor lacked bite and hunger and for all the great underage teams they produce they cannot seem to bring enough top players through their ranks!!! Paul Murphy had a great game for harps as did Murtagh and Gunnar Quinn!!! I felt Leo done a good job and let the game flow !!! On Tony Haverns yellow card.. i dont think he seen it and after consulting the lineman gave him a yellow!!!
We played ok without really getting out of second gear, once the first goal went in the game was as good as over!! Ronan Sexton had a stormer as did Cathal Magee and Micheal Lively!!
Clonduuf and An Roicht game was dire with the yellows getting out of jail!! they seemed too resilent on aimless high balls into Jason Brown!!Clann na banna were very disappointing yesterday and had no answerto the youthfulness of Glenn who rattled them early on!!!
Was James McGovern injured yesterday, it says in the Irish news that he only came of the bench!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 09, 2010, 03:38:24 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 08, 2010, 11:02:21 PM
2010 Prediction League update
After 14 games.
3 Games drawn. your selections still stand for replay games.

4 leaders on 12 points.
conormac
Brick Tamlin
Bearly on loose
ApresMatch

There is 12 contestants on 11 points.

Will give full leader board tomorrow evening after 2 Junior games.

Where there not people who predicted draws in some games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 09, 2010, 05:54:15 PM
Quote from: maldini on August 09, 2010, 03:38:24 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 08, 2010, 11:02:21 PM
2010 Prediction League update
After 14 games.
3 Games drawn. your selections still stand for replay games.

4 leaders on 12 points.
conormac
Brick Tamlin
Bearly on loose
ApresMatch

There is 12 contestants on 11 points.

Will give full leader board tomorrow evening after 2 Junior games.

Where there not people who predicted draws in some games?

12 July 2010
Prediction League.

Outright winners only accepted.

First Rounds SFC, IFC and JFC (19 games)
Quarter finals SFC. IFC and JFC (12 games)
Semi finals SFC, IFC and JFC (6 games)
Finals SFC. IFC, JFC, PRFC, RFC and MFC. (6 games)
Total of 43 games.
2008 winner; Downfanatic 31
2009 winner; Bacon 34
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on August 09, 2010, 09:09:30 PM
Bright v Ballykinlar
Would anybody have any word on this result and any details?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 09, 2010, 09:26:51 PM
1-03 to 0-06 bright and b'kinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on August 09, 2010, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on August 09, 2010, 09:26:51 PM
1-03 to 0-06 bright and b'kinler

Is that a result?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 09, 2010, 09:50:54 PM
Quote from: John Martin on August 09, 2010, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on August 09, 2010, 09:26:51 PM
1-03 to 0-06 bright and b'kinler

Is that a result?

Yeah. Kinlar denied a blatant late free. Could of been a great scalp for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 09, 2010, 09:52:59 PM
Down minor star Caolan Mooney has signed for Aussie Rules outfit Collingwood on a two-year international rookie deal.

The 17-year-old forward impressed the Melbourne club during a month-long trial earlier in the summer and will be following in the footsteps of Down senior Martin Clarke who played for the Magpies for three years before returning home to play a starring role in the Mourne County's march to this year's All-Ireland football semi-final.

Another former Down underage star, Jamie O'Reilly, is currently on the books of Richmond and recently broke into their senior set-up.

Mooney will complete his second level studies at St. Colman's College, Newry next year before joining Collingwood in the autumn. He has been given a special training programme by Collingwood to help prepare him for Aussie Rules.

Mooney won the MacRory Cup and the Hogan Cup with St Colman's this year and is regarded as one of the brightest prospects on the Ulster football scene at present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 09, 2010, 09:59:37 PM
2010 Predition League

4 drawn games.

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 09, 2010, 10:08:37 PM
Dromara 0.8 St John Bosco 1.16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 10, 2010, 11:38:27 AM
ambrose injured in championship match? i hear he heard a crack in his knee, came off immediately.
any word?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on August 10, 2010, 12:45:02 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on August 10, 2010, 11:38:27 AM
ambrose injured in championship match? i hear he heard a crack in his knee, came off immediately.
any word?
He didnt come off straight away, he played on for another 5-10 min, his movement looked very uncomfortable and he waqs limping throughout this time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 10, 2010, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: True Blue on August 10, 2010, 12:45:02 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on August 10, 2010, 11:38:27 AM
ambrose injured in championship match? i hear he heard a crack in his knee, came off immediately.
any word?
He didnt come off straight away, he played on for another 5-10 min, his movement looked very uncomfortable and he waqs limping throughout this time

We could be screwed without him.
although the option is obviously to move Big Dan out the field, but Ambi and King have worked so well together all summer it would be a blow to seperate them at this stage.
A Crack in his knee could be anything though, if not too serious 3 weeks yet to recover.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Class of 99 on August 10, 2010, 05:48:11 PM
Ambrose would be a massive loss at this stage any word on him???
I reckon fitzpatrick would get the nod but don't want to even think he won't make it at this stage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 10, 2010, 09:33:48 PM
St Patrick's park seem to be unlucky ground for Ambrose. he suffer a serious knee injury against Mayobridge in 2006 first round of Down club championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack4ever on August 10, 2010, 11:19:44 PM
Is it just me or does it seem that young Ambrose has no luck? I hope his knee is allright, but the kid doesn't seem to get any good breaks as far as his football career goes. I'll start a novena for him tonight. It worked before and maybe it'll work again.

Mrs. redandblack4ever
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 11, 2010, 08:14:17 AM
AMBROSE A MAJOR DOUBT FOR SEMI FINAL

According to the irish news today Ambrose has suffered a partial tear to his anterior cruciate ligament (ACL), he has to undergo a further scan when the swelling is down but his chances of playing against kildare aren't very good. This doesn't sound to good if i'm being honest, he has been an inspiration at midfield for us this year and would be a big miss for the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on August 11, 2010, 08:52:23 AM
It's all speculation at this stage lads, keep the faith, obviously it would be a massive blow but for the first time in a long time we have options on the bench

fingers crossed the big man will be ok though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 11, 2010, 08:57:35 AM
The lad just seems to have no luck one injury after another, i agree we have some fine options coming off the bench, the most likely replacement would be a straight swap with big peter fitz in my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on August 11, 2010, 10:01:24 AM
Peter Fitz has been superb every game he has got an outing. It's a panel game and thankfully Down have cover in all areas. It has been a long time since that happened. If he can not play then someone else gets the chance and you have to assume they will play above and beyond as there is a final at the next hurdle and they will want to be in the mix.

On another matter, anyone know when the Championship quarter final draw will be made?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on August 11, 2010, 10:03:46 AM
Yeah they might throw fitzy in or could be a with McArdle going back into Full back and Gordon up to midfield, unless early plays full forward which I think happened in round 4 of the qualifiers or the antrim game then they might want to keep Gordon in there, but there is options and unlike last year we have other men to hit the frees

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 11, 2010, 10:54:03 AM
Quote from: When We Win on August 11, 2010, 10:01:24 AM
Peter Fitz has been superb every game he has got an outing. It's a panel game and thankfully Down have cover in all areas. It has been a long time since that happened. If he can not play then someone else gets the chance and you have to assume they will play above and beyond as there is a final at the next hurdle and they will want to be in the mix.

On another matter, anyone know when the Championship quarter final draw will be made?

it wont be til after the Down Kildare match
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 11, 2010, 02:34:20 PM
MASSIVE BLOW - Ambrose is irreplaceable given his performances this year and his mobility from midfield.
I would fire him up there with Sean Cavanagh as the two most mobile midfielders in Ireland
We have no one else in the panel that can get up and down (especially driving solo runs) like him

Gutted for the lad......
ps Paul Murphy to make a surprise appearance! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on August 11, 2010, 05:17:37 PM
Where are the Hurling Championship games taking place tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on August 11, 2010, 08:57:17 PM
Ballyvarley and Clonduff progress to the Junior Hurling Championship Final with victories over Carryduff and Castlewellan respectively.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leg End on August 11, 2010, 09:01:47 PM
Does anyone know if there is a new down song out with similar lyrics to the old bellies full of fire song. If so can u post the lyrics if not can someone post the complete lyrics of the old one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 11, 2010, 09:39:55 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on August 11, 2010, 08:57:17 PM
Ballyvarley and Clonduff progress to the Junior Hurling Championship Final with victories over Carryduff and Castlewellan respectively.

Ballyvarley v Clonduff in the JHC final. It will be close.

IHC  Kilclief 1-12 3-08  Shamrocks. Shamrocks play Warrenpoint in the semi final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on August 11, 2010, 10:51:49 PM
carryduff unlucky to lose a man, played very well for a very young team. Ballyvarley played there usual sheep in a heap style hurlin but dragged out the who. Final should be as horrible as the semi's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on August 12, 2010, 11:44:43 AM
Quote from: THE DADGA on August 11, 2010, 10:51:49 PM
carryduff unlucky to lose a man, played very well for a very young team. Ballyvarley played there usual sheep in a heap style hurlin but dragged out the who. Final should be as horrible as the semi's

Thought Carryduff played very well with such a young team, Conway played well in full forward and Early put in a good show at half back. The sending of really turned the game with the Ballyvarley goal coming from the resulting free.

Gives them some encouragement for next year.

Any views on the other Junior semi?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on August 12, 2010, 12:46:11 PM
Quote from: Trap 2 on August 08, 2010, 04:01:34 PM
saval beat ballymartin by 2!!! pretty poor game and the ref didnt help much either!!! saval slowed the whole game down the second half an there was only 1 minute added time!!!
saval happy enough tho into the quarter finals!!!
::) Who would want to be a referee when there are ill-informed comments like that! I notice that this was your first post on this board, so I will leave it at that.

I was a neutral at that game, and I thought that the referee did an excellent job at taking control of the game when there were some players on both sides who were playing on the edge and would have been red carded on another day. The game could have developed into a farce, but with good refereeing it turned out to be very competitive.  Saval just about deserved their 2 point victory in the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trap 2 on August 12, 2010, 06:55:33 PM
are u serious we the ref had a complete nitemare in the saval v bmartin game!!! danny hughes was practically raped on several occasions with late tackles and off the ball stuff!! he booked james doran and gavin quinn in the first couple of mins for abs nothin and thats just one example!! catch yourself on!! i see u have 651 posts and still dont have a clue!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 12, 2010, 09:04:57 PM
Have to agree with trap the standard of refereeing is shite, the total lack of common sence is poiling the games it seems as though they all interpret the rules differently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 12, 2010, 10:18:26 PM
The old referee chestnut. This has been highlighted on this forum for as long as I can remember. Yes, the referees do make co@k ups. However, as I have stated before I have yet to see a player who plays the perfect game. Mistakes happen, accept it and get on with it.
This continual highlighting of who they didn't book, or gave a free too when the opposition didn't give a free for a similar incident etc blah de blah is quite frankly boring.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on August 12, 2010, 10:42:16 PM
What about the verbal abuse of referees from the sidelines?
When is a linesman/fourth official suppose to step in and say "enough's enough"?
Was at a fair few games over the weekend and witnessed and heard some shocking verbals being fired pitchside at the referee yet not once did a fellow official step in properly to stop it.
There was the odd 'now, now' type of thing.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 12, 2010, 11:25:01 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 12, 2010, 10:18:26 PM
The old referee chestnut. This has been highlighted on this forum for as long as I can remember. Yes, the referees do make co@k ups. However, as I have stated before I have yet to see a player who plays the perfect game. Mistakes happen, accept it and get on with it.
This continual highlighting of who they didn't book, or gave a free too when the opposition didn't give a free for a similar incident etc blah de blah is quite frankly boring.

Totally agreed with you Dundrumite.
Referees are not perfect, they do make mistakes, same as players

I am grateful for all referees who take up whistles in order for us to enjoy our games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on August 13, 2010, 12:24:32 AM
The reality is that a lot of the morons who stand on the sidelines abusing referees are unfamiliar with the rules themselves. very few off them would put themselves forward to do the job, lets be honest none of them would. They are neither use nor ornament too their Clubs or anyone else
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on August 13, 2010, 12:38:24 AM
Unfortunately it wasn't limited to abusing the referee. As witnessed during a championship match...

A boy (he looked about 12) practicing his toe-taps and what as they do along the sideline beside the pitchside fence accidentally kicks the ball onto the pitch and a club man (and I'd say from his attire the same club) along the line 'roars' at him to "stop f***in' about with the f***in' ball and get away off"...
Then there was one of those moments when time stopped for a spilt second and yer man realises what he's just shouted, the wee boy realises what he's shouted and the world and its mother realises who he's just shouted it at...then life just carried on.
It was uncalled for and there was absolutely no excuse for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 13, 2010, 10:25:37 AM
It's hardly surprising that referees make mistakes and get things wrong in club games when you see some of the mistakes made by the best refs at national level. It's not an easy job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 13, 2010, 11:52:51 AM
QuoteIt's not an easy job.

It's well paid though.   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 13, 2010, 03:07:06 PM
well folks i heard really bad news about Ambrose.. think we will be lost without him... also did anyone see bennys column in the democrat this week.. i thought he was a wee bit hard on Rostrevor and the players!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on August 13, 2010, 03:28:49 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 13, 2010, 03:07:06 PM
well folks i heard really bad news about Ambrose.. think we will be lost without him... also did anyone see bennys column in the democrat this week.. i thought he was a wee bit hard on Rostrevor and the players!!!


Sorry downjim, don't read it myself  ;) what did he write?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 13, 2010, 04:33:33 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on August 13, 2010, 03:28:49 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 13, 2010, 03:07:06 PM
well folks i heard really bad news about Ambrose.. think we will be lost without him... also did anyone see bennys column in the democrat this week.. i thought he was a wee bit hard on Rostrevor and the players!!!


Sorry downjim, don't read it myself  ;) what did he write?

DOWN Club Championship's took centre stage this weekend and to be fair some of the football was disappointing for the patrons who paid to watch the games.

Ballyholland certainly provided the shock of the round when they hammered Rostrevor in Mayobridge on Thursday evening.

Shane Mulholland had his team in brilliant condition and they tackled like terriers throughout.

Paul Murphy was majestic in midfield but Ronan Murtagh stole the show and hit some excellent scores.

Rostrevor were very disappointing, they lacked hunger and showed little pride for the jersey.

It must be worrying for a club to have won four minor championships in the noughties that they fail to bring more of their talent through. Rostrevor thirds put our thirds out of the Championship a few weeks back and I was amazed at the players who were lining out for them. It seems that the minors coming through are content play thirds football instead of working hard to be a senior footballer.

We (Mayobridge) had a good performance over a battling Warrenpoint side.

The 'Point gave us a lot to think about in the opening 15 minutes but once we got the first goal we were never going to get beaten.

Ronan Sexton and Cathal Magee were excellent for us but we will need to improve if we are going to advance any further in the championship.

Saval was the venue and the club should take a lot of pride in how they conducted the whole evening.

The main game of the evening was Clonduff and An Riocht which were 10 until ten minutes to go.

Clonduff fought hard to earn the replay but they must be worried at how poor they played.

The Kingdom will be disappointed because they should have closed the game out but there is all to play for in the replay which will take place after the All-Ireland semi final between Down and Kildare.

Burren and Kilcoo had big wins with Burren really impressing.

Frank Dawson has certainly built a strong unit and they will be hard to stop in their quest to win the Frank O'Hare cup for the first time in 13 years.

There was some interesting results in the Intermediate Championship with Glenn providing the shock of the round beating their neighbours Clann na Banna.

Annaclone will be favourites for the title now but I believe that if Drumgath can hit the right form that they could go the whole way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on August 13, 2010, 05:08:21 PM
Interesting coverage of the Intermediate Championship from Benny. But to be fair he is probably close to the mark with Annaclone. Any thoughts on who will win it this year. I fancy a division three team. This division is as strong as ever witnessed and i would expect at least 4 or 5 of the teams could survive division 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 13, 2010, 10:02:23 PM
Division 3

Ardglass  1-15 1-11 Dundrum   
Glasdrumman  0-9 1-8 Darragh Cross 
St John Bosco  3-10 0-16 St Johns 

Division 2
Saval 2-21  Atticall 0-04
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: twice is nice on August 13, 2010, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 09, 2010, 02:51:15 PM
Seen a few games this weekend and the standard of football was poor for most of it!!! Ballyholland played brilliant on Thursday and their tackling put Rostrevor on the back front the whole evening!!! Rostrevor lacked bite and hunger and for all the great underage teams they produce they cannot seem to bring enough top players through their ranks!!! Paul Murphy had a great game for harps as did Murtagh and Gunnar Quinn!!! I felt Leo done a good job and let the game flow !!! On Tony Haverns yellow card.. i dont think he seen it and after consulting the lineman gave him a yellow!!!
We played ok without really getting out of second gear, once the first goal went in the game was as good as over!! Ronan Sexton had a stormer as did Cathal Magee and Micheal Lively!!
Clonduuf and An Roicht game was dire with the yellows getting out of jail!! they seemed too resilent on aimless high balls into Jason Brown!!Clann na banna were very disappointing yesterday and had no answerto the youthfulness of Glenn who rattled them early on!!!
Was James McGovern injured yesterday, it says in the Irish news that he only came of the bench!!!
maybe it was ace up de sleeve, big dawson full o surprises
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on August 13, 2010, 10:58:28 PM
St Michaels beat Teconnaught by three tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on August 14, 2010, 03:31:32 PM
Any results from the reserve league last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 14, 2010, 03:46:48 PM
what did james mcgovern do on Dawson ????
Its burrens title to lose, they are strong and wll balanced and think they can go the whole way!!! The bridge are past it but they are extremley cocky and are dangerous!!
If you listened to some their supporters you would think that gaa was invented down there none least by a board member who is extremley loud and hard to listen to :L :L
Kilcoo will fail to reach the heights of last season and really could you listen to them any longer!!! Clonduff will not beat the kingdom.. they have peaked too early!!!
Hope annaclone are hammered due to their transfer dealings and i predict that Bosco will walk the junior!!! can these lads push on though!! The bosco have a great youth set up.. They should have pushed on from here!!!
DJIM takes no prisoners :L :L :L
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 14, 2010, 05:14:41 PM
where did Trevor Hill ever go to? Seems now Down are going well he/she doesn't post
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 14, 2010, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: No hoper on August 14, 2010, 03:31:32 PM
Any results from the reserve league last night.

Rostrevor and Loughinisland called off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: twice is nice on August 14, 2010, 07:45:09 PM
dawson wil mention it in his book probly, shud make good reading....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 14, 2010, 07:47:33 PM
Players released for tomorrow's games..

Gary Mc Ardle
Aidan Carr
Darren O Hagan
Jason Brown
Luke Howard
Aidan Brannigan
Conor Laverty
Mark Doran
Ronan Sexton
Declan Alder
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 15, 2010, 04:13:18 PM
Bredagh beat Carryduff by 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on August 15, 2010, 05:05:09 PM
What time is Longstone game at?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on August 15, 2010, 08:33:32 PM
Glenn beat Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 15, 2010, 09:19:26 PM
Kilcoo 0-8 Rostrevor 2-6

Exactly the sort of performance we didn't put in against ballyholland!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on August 15, 2010, 10:32:00 PM
Longstone 0-12  Castlewellan 0-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 16, 2010, 09:02:50 AM
League table for ACFL Division 3
Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Glasdrumman  17 13 4 0 282 199 83 26
Drumgath  17 11 5 1 222 204 18 23
Darragh Cross  16 8 5 3 201 186 15 19
Glenn  16 8 7 1 222 191 31 17
Bredagh  17 7 7 3 224 217 7 17
Carryduff  16 7 7 2 187 175 12 16
Ardglass  17 7 8 2 200 255 -55 16
St Johns  17 7 9 1 202 200 2 15
Dundrum  16 7 8 1 209 216 -7 15
St John Bosco  17 5 8 4 230 239 -9 14
Saul  17 6 9 2 223 261 -38 14
Drumaness  17 4 13 0 212 271 -59 8


Based on the above, can someone explain how the promotion playoffs would work this year if the table finishes like this at the end of the season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on August 16, 2010, 09:13:40 AM
Quote from: knockitdown on August 16, 2010, 09:02:50 AM
League table for ACFL Division 3
Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Glasdrumman  17 13 4 0 282 199 83 26
Drumgath  17 11 5 1 222 204 18 23
Darragh Cross  16 8 5 3 201 186 15 19
Glenn  16 8 7 1 222 191 31 17
Bredagh  17 7 7 3 224 217 7 17
Carryduff  16 7 7 2 187 175 12 16
Ardglass  17 7 8 2 200 255 -55 16
St Johns  17 7 9 1 202 200 2 15
Dundrum  16 7 8 1 209 216 -7 15
St John Bosco  17 5 8 4 230 239 -9 14
Saul  17 6 9 2 223 261 -38 14
Drumaness  17 4 13 0 212 271 -59 8


Based on the above, can someone explain how the promotion playoffs would work this year if the table finishes like this at the end of the season?


Glassdrumman will play in the final. Drumgath and Darragh Cross play a semi final with the winners playing Galssdrumman. The winner of this game gets promoted.

Very tight at the moment. I cant see the table finishing like this though. A few more twists to occur before the end of the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on August 16, 2010, 11:25:37 AM
I heard last night there are only 1 round of games left in Division 4 is this right???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 16, 2010, 11:42:01 AM
Anyone know where i can view South Down Reserve league Tables.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on August 16, 2010, 11:58:05 AM
Some great results in division 1 yesterday, should throw the thing open a bit. Whoever finishes top of the league should win it, thats how a league works anyway, just got me thinking bout it again, it really grinds my gears. Every other sport in the world knows how a league works, it seems, except Down County board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 16, 2010, 06:13:57 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 15, 2010, 09:19:26 PM
Kilcoo 0-8 Rostrevor 2-6

Exactly the sort of performance we didn't put in against ballyholland!!
Good win for Rostrevor. Heard that Turlach Murphy has broken his arm after an off the ball incident.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 16, 2010, 10:12:25 PM
Quote from: Banana Man on August 16, 2010, 11:25:37 AM
I heard last night there are only 1 round of games left in Division 4 is this right???

that is correct, but technically the league should be over, the round on Friday is the round that was put off in April due to Down being in the league final!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on August 17, 2010, 10:50:07 AM
Quote from: umpire on August 16, 2010, 06:13:57 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 15, 2010, 09:19:26 PM
Kilcoo 0-8 Rostrevor 2-6

Exactly the sort of performance we didn't put in against ballyholland!!
Good win for Rostrevor. Heard that Turlach Murphy has broken his arm after an off the ball incident.

Turlach did indeed break his arm, shattered it in fact and requires a plate inserted. It was an off the ball incident but the Kilcoo man did not go out to break his arm, it was just pushing and shoving and unfortunately Turlach fell awkwardly on his arm.

It was a surprising win for Rostrevor given their performance the week before but all the games at the weekend threw up surprising results.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on August 17, 2010, 05:37:57 PM
Aughlisnafin  0-5 0-0 Bright  Aughlisnafin 15/08/2010 14:00 Round 18

Just seen this result on the Down website....Can anyone confirm if this is correct, did Bright play a full game without scoring  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 17, 2010, 05:49:01 PM
Are there any fixtures for this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on August 17, 2010, 06:13:55 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 17, 2010, 05:49:01 PM
Are there any fixtures for this weekend?

Wed Aug 18th(7 00)
Betsy Grey Cup
Castlewellan v Ballycran
Portaferry v Clonduff
Bredagh v Ballygalget
Carryduff v Warrenpoint

Fri Aug 20th(7 15)
Morgan Milk Junior Football Championship
Downpatrick Extra Time if Nessesary
Ballykinlar v Bright(P Mc Cartan)

O Neills ACFL Div 2
Loughinisland v Warrenpoint(E O Hare)
Shamrocks v Ballymartin(D Moore)
Kilclief v Ballyholland(O Burke)
Tullylish v Clann na Banna(G Brannigan)
Saval v Downpatrick(G Corrigan)

O Neills ACFL Div 3
Dundrum v Glenn(S O Hanlon)
Drumgath v Ardglass(C Brannigan)
Saul v Drumaness(M Lynch)
St Johns v Bredagh(N Morgan)
St John Bosco v Glasdrumman(M Devlin)

O Neills ACFL Div 4
Mitchels v Aughlisnafinn(B Andrews)
Teconnaught v St Pauls(PD Doyle)
St Micheals v Aghaderg(D Carr)

Sun Aug 22nd(1 30)
O Neills ACFL Div 1
Mayobridge v Castlewellan(S Flynn)
Burren v Longstone(D Brogan)
Kilcoo v Bryansford(N Cousins)
Clonduff v An Riocht(B Andrews)
Liatroim v Rostrevor(M Rawlinson)

O Neills ACFL Div 2
Atticall v Annaclone(P Brannigan)

O Neills ACFL Div 3
Darragh Cross v Carryduff(S Lowey)

Down Intermediate Hurling Championship
Castlewellan(3 30)
Bredagh v Ballela
Clonduff(4 00)
Shamrocks v Warrenpoint

Morgan Milk RFC(6 30)
Bryansford v Liatroim
St John Bosco v Drumgath

Mon Aug 23rd(7 00)
Morgan Milk ACPRFC
Burren v Mayobridge
Annaclone v Ballyholland
St Johns v An Riocht
Kilcoo v Liatroim

Tues Aug 24th(7 00)
Morgan Milk RFC
Shamrocks v Rostrevor
Glenn v Warrenpoint
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on August 17, 2010, 06:16:29 PM
East Down GAA Fixtures

Gerry Hynds Trophies Bargainland Downpatrick
U-14  B  Championship Replay Semi-finals  Tuesday 17th  August   Venue  St. John's 7.00pm.
Castlewellan      v      Teconnaught   A Sharvin

Plus 2 Print
U- 18 League Section A Tuesday  17th August  7.00pm
Outstanding Games
St. Mary's      v      Kilcoo   P Toner
Bredagh       v      Carryduff   G Tumelty
Castlewellan      v      Downpatrick   J Killen

U- 18 League Section B Tuesday  17th August  7.00pm
Outstanding Games
Saul       v      St. Paul's   P McCartan

Plus 2 Print
U- 12 League Section A Wednesday  18th August  7.00pm
Bryansford      v      St. Paul's A   C McAlinden

Plus 2 Print
U-16 League Section A Outstanding Games  Thursday 19th August 7.00pm
Downpatrick      v      Kilcoo   P Gelston

Gerry Hynds Trophies Bargainland Downpatrick
U-16  Section A  Championship  Semi-finals  Thursday 19th August  Venue  Bright
Bredagh A       v      Bryansford       (7.00)pm   G Corrigan

Gerry Hynds Trophies Bargainland Downpatrick
U-16  Section A  Championship  Semi-finals  Thursday 19th August  Venue  Teconnaught

Carryduff A      v      Castlewellan     ( 7.00pm)   O Burke

U-16  Section B  Championship  Semi-finals  Thursday 19th August   Venue  Bryansford
Loughinisland      v      Cill Breachtain  ( 7.00pm)   M Brady

U-16  Section B  Championship  Semi-finals  Thursday 19th August   Venue Castlewellan
Saul      v      Drumaness          (7.00pm)   P McCartan


Gerry Hynds Trophies Bargainland Downpatrick
U-14  Section B  Championship  finals  Saturday  21st August  Time 2.00pm  Venue  Ballykinlar
Castlewellan / Teconnaught      v      Carryduff B/ St. Joseph's   J McMullan

Gerry Hynds Trophies Bargainland Downpatrick
U-14  Section A  Championship  finals  Saturday  21st August  Time 3.30pm  Venue  Ballykinlar
Bryansford      v      Carryduff A   A Sharvin




Tel's Confectionary Downpatrick
EDRL  Section A  Sunday  22nd August Time 7.00pm
Round Seventeen
Bryansford      v      Liatroim   L Morgan
Teconnaught      v      Aughlisnafin   P D Doyle
Drumaness      v      Dundrum   G Burns

Tel's Confectionary Downpatrick
EDRL  Section B  Sunday  22nd August Time 7.00pm
Round Seventeen
Kilclief      v      Saul   P McCartan
Bredagh      v      St. Paul's   J McMullan
Darragh Cross      v      Dromara   J Killen
Ardglass      v      Carryduff   M Lynch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 17, 2010, 06:54:42 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on August 17, 2010, 05:37:57 PM
Aughlisnafin  0-5 0-0 Bright  Aughlisnafin 15/08/2010 14:00 Round 18

Just seen this result on the Down website....Can anyone confirm if this is correct, did Bright play a full game without scoring  ???

I kinow that if one team does not turn up for some reason, then the other team  will be awarded the game  with scoreline of 0.5 to 0.0

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kingscourt Stars on August 17, 2010, 07:35:26 PM
Lads,

Great to see ye flying the flag for Ulster in the last four.  Thought ye might be interested in this.

ALL IRELAND SENIOR FOOTBALL FINAL TICKETS

Down to the last four of the championship, and we going to have new winners for the first time in at least 15 years. Therefore, tickets for this year's final are going to be harder got than obtaining a loan from your local Bank....

However, do not fear, as Kingscourt Stars GAA are running their juvenile club's annual fundraising draw and it takes place on Friday 10th September and for the first time ever, tickets are available online via their website - www.kingscourtstars.ie . This is the only fundraising event the club has in this regard and is of vital importance to the running of the many underage teams that the club fields in both boys & girls from U-6 upwards.

First prize is Two Tickets to the All-Ireland Senior Football Final along with overnight accommodation in the Skylon Hotel and €200 spending money. There are further cash prizes all the way down to 8th place.

All told, a prize well worth winning so why not try your luck and simultaneously help support all the good work that the many volunteers at underage level put in, not to mention the dedication of the young players as well.

So whether you want to be in with a chance to support your county in whatever unique final pairing comes through, or maybe you would just like to sample the experience on an All-Ireland Final as a neutral, just click on www.kingscourtstars.ie and try your luck....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on August 17, 2010, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 17, 2010, 06:54:42 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on August 17, 2010, 05:37:57 PM
Aughlisnafin  0-5 0-0 Bright  Aughlisnafin 15/08/2010 14:00 Round 18

Just seen this result on the Down website....Can anyone confirm if this is correct, did Bright play a full game without scoring  ???

I kinow that if one team does not turn up for some reason, then the other team  will be awarded the game  with scoreline of 0.5 to 0.0

Ah, now that you mention that I remember that happening before...Whats wrong with the old DNF as printed in the paper i'll never know!  I suppose if it came down to points difference..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on August 17, 2010, 10:09:41 PM
Quote from: Kingscourt Stars on August 17, 2010, 07:35:26 PM
Lads,

Great to see ye flying the flag for Ulster in the last four.  Thought ye might be interested in this.

ALL IRELAND SENIOR FOOTBALL FINAL TICKETS

Down to the last four of the championship, and we going to have new winners for the first time in at least 15 years. Therefore, tickets for this year's final are going to be harder got than obtaining a loan from your local Bank....

However, do not fear, as Kingscourt Stars GAA are running their juvenile club's annual fundraising draw and it takes place on Friday 10th September and for the first time ever, tickets are available online via their website - www.kingscourtstars.ie . This is the only fundraising event the club has in this regard and is of vital importance to the running of the many underage teams that the club fields in both boys & girls from U-6 upwards.

First prize is Two Tickets to the All-Ireland Senior Football Final along with overnight accommodation in the Skylon Hotel and €200 spending money. There are further cash prizes all the way down to 8th place.

All told, a prize well worth winning so why not try your luck and simultaneously help support all the good work that the many volunteers at underage level put in, not to mention the dedication of the young players as well.

So whether you want to be in with a chance to support your county in whatever unique final pairing comes through, or maybe you would just like to sample the experience on an All-Ireland Final as a neutral, just click on www.kingscourtstars.ie and try your luck....

Shameless plug... ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kingscourt Stars on August 17, 2010, 10:34:57 PM
Naomh Pol

Shameless Plug?  Too bloody right  ;)

But hey you can't blame a lad for trying!!  I'd much rather we were playing and not have to reduce ourselves to this, but hey, such is the existence of a Cavan fan.....

Best of Luck against Kildare, and I will expect to see some Naomh Pol entrants on Monday week, or before depending how confident ye are!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: buglebhoy on August 18, 2010, 01:14:57 PM
I hear they are re-releasing the boys in red and black are back and doing a cover of 'Ireland's Call' in the form of 'Down's Call'.

Bit of a buzz gathering now for this big game!!

C'mon Down!!!!!   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 18, 2010, 01:38:58 PM
Quote from: buglebhoy on August 18, 2010, 01:14:57 PM
I hear they are re-releasing the boys in red and black are back and doing a cover of 'Ireland's Call' in the form of 'Down's Call'.

Bit of a buzz gathering now for this big game!!

C'mon Down!!!!!   
Heard its being sold on CD and performed at The Cove on friday. I think thats in Mayobridge?
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 18, 2010, 02:07:18 PM
If any of you are around you could do worse than go to this on Saturday in Ballyholland lads. A bit of crack and all money going to a good cause. There will be a big turnout from both squads....see you in the club afterwards for a few pints.

Down AI Champions 1994 V Armagh AI Champions 2002 – There's a lot of talk about this game which is being organised as a fundraiser for the Hospice by Paul Coulter.....it may be a friendly but....when have you ever seen a Down/Armagh friendly!!

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs209.snc4/38773_483558713503_601323503_6853684_5991644_n.jpg)

Throw in is at 6pm on Saturday 21st and there is entertainment in the club afterwards....

This is a great opportunity to get a few autographs and photos with the stars of the past and at the same time support a great cause...there will also be one or two surprise guests! All for the princely sum of £7 (£2 for Children)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 18, 2010, 04:04:07 PM
Its all happening this weekend lads!

(http://www.sys-sol.net/QOS.jpg)

Two neighbouring clubs from different codes Mayobridge GAC and Newry RFC have come together for the first time to organise a joint fundraising night.  Both clubs have partnered to run 'A Question of Sport' in Belini's Newry on Saturday 21st of August.  Guests for the night include Ireland International Andrew Trimble, former Ulster and Ireland player Simon Best, ex Springbok Rhys Botha,  RTE GAA pundit and former Derry player Joe Brolly, former Armagh Captain and BBC pundit Jarlath Burns and former European Heavy weight boxing champion Martin Rogan.  MC for the night is BBC Sports Austin O'Callaghan.  A finger food buffet will be served and the 'A Question of Sport' will be followed by a disco.  Tickets are on sale priced £20 and can be purchased from Newry RFC or Mayobridge GAC. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 18, 2010, 04:18:38 PM
If we get 3 or 4 hundred in through the gate at the match we won't mind if most of them end up at your do Aidan. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 18, 2010, 08:59:20 PM
10 more sleeps to Croker!!

Down teams have given me great moments in the past.

In my experience following the Down teams from 1960 era , these are my selection of best players who play for Down Senior Football team.

1. Neil Collins, Carryduff
2. Tommy McGovern, Burren
3. Leo Murphy, Lisnarcree
4. Tom O'Hare, Mayobridge
5. Cathal Digney, Saval
6. Dan McCartan, Glenn
7. Joe Lennon, Aghderg
8. Colm McAlarney, Liatriom
9. Jarlath Carey, Dundrum
10. Greg Blaney, Carryduff
11. James McCartan (sen), Glenn
12. Paddy Doherty, Ballykinlar
13. Mickey Linden, Mayobridge
14. Sean O'Neill, Newry Mitchels
15. Ambrose Rodgers (sen) Longstone

My second selection

1.Micheal McVeigh
2.Brendan Sloan, Attical
3.Conor Deegan, Downpatrick
4. Mark Turley, Glenn
5. Pasty O'Hagan, Clonduff
6. Barry Breen, Downpatrick
7. DJ Kane, Newry Shamrocks
8. Liam Austin, Rostrevor
9. Brendan Toner, Castlewellan
10. Ross Carr, Clonduff
11. Dalsey Mooney, Clonduff
12. James McCartan (jun), Tullylish
13. Peter Rooney, Warrenpoint,
14. John McCartan, Glenn
15. Benny Coulter, Mayobridge.

Others players  who have also played well.
Geogre Lavery, Kilwarlin
Pat Rice, Castlewellan,
Kevin Mussen, Clonduff
Tony Hadden, Newry Shamrocks
Breen Morgan, Annaclone
Willie Doyle, Liatriom
James Milligan, Ardglass
Micheal Cole, Rostrevor
Micheal Cunningham, Bryansford
Cecil Ward, Bryansford
Adrain McAuilfield, St Mitchels
Paddy Kennedy, Glenn
Brendan McGovern, Burren
Jim McCartan, Glenn
Donal Bell, Teconnagh
Brendan Mason, Loughinisland
Paul Higgins, Ballymartin
Paddy O'Rourke, Burren
Gregory McCartan, Ballymartin
Eamon Burns Bryansford.
Gary Mason. Loughinisland
Best match
1994 in Celtic Park Derry, Down v Derry in Ulster Championship

Best individual performance
Tom O'Hare, Mayobridge in 1968 All Ireland Semi-final against great Galway side who have won three in row 64,65 and 66.

Top Ten players
1.   Sean O'Neill
2.   Tom O'Hare
3.   Colm McAlarnery
4.   Paddy Doherty
5.   James McCartan (sen)
6.   Greg Blaney
7.   Mickey Linden
8.   Leo Murphy
9.   Tommy McGovern
10. Joe Lennon

Best Down Club Player
Shorty Treanor Burren,
never made any impact on Down Senior team., should have been good enough for Down on 91 and 94 teams.
Best Manager, Peter McGrath, Rostrevor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 19, 2010, 08:06:47 AM
Your right about O'Hare.. a player who could read a game , tackle and pass!!! Though i thought he sometimes took the man too much!! He was bulit like a shithouse and boy did he use it!!

Dalsey Mooney was a genius at underage and it was sad that we never seen his potential!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 19, 2010, 08:48:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pepDj27EjWo

Enjoy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 19, 2010, 04:12:38 PM
On the topic of great Down players, which player do you believe had the biggest unfulfilled potential in our county over the years?

From what Ive seen, I'd say Aidy Mackin from Rostrevor could of been one of our greatest forwards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 19, 2010, 04:45:03 PM
Growing up I would say the Kingdom team that won the All Ireland feile in perhaps 1998 ( maybe Ned flanders will help me out). Some exceptional players for one reason or other never made the break through. Am thinking players of the calibre of James Annett, Stevie Annett and Ciaran Walsh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 19, 2010, 05:20:52 PM
There's varying levels of unfulfilled Down Fanatic.

Shorty Treanor is the most obvious underachiever, even though he played for a decade or more. Does that class as unfulfilled?

He might fall out with me for saying it, but Shane Mulholland should have been a fulcrum for Down for a decade, instead of for two years. They were two very fine years though.

Ciaran McCabe is off the same bracket; one of the best players in the country - not the county - but just never seemed to settle into a position for Down.

Collie Burns from the Shamrocks was an exceptional talent who never really broke the county ranks. Tony McMahon is of the same vintage and was maybe even more talented, but didn't seem to have the interest.

Michael Walsh. Enough said.

Injuries robbed us of Colm McAlarney Jr and Eoin McCartan, two seriously gifted players who would have lived up to their family names. Liam Doyle as well, perhaps even more so. And by all accounts, Brian Conlon was better than them all put together.

Shane Ward was perhaps the most gifted juvenile talent I ever saw in Down until Martin Clarke came along. He had a decade on and off the panel and never really fitted in.

There's so many.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: twice is nice on August 19, 2010, 06:40:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2010, 05:20:52 PM
There's varying levels of unfulfilled Down Fanatic.

Shorty Treanor is the most obvious underachiever, even though he played for a decade or more. Does that class as unfulfilled?

He might fall out with me for saying it, but Shane Mulholland should have been a fulcrum for Down for a decade, instead of for two years. They were two very fine years though.

Ciaran McCabe is off the same bracket; one of the best players in the country - not the county - but just never seemed to settle into a position for Down.

Collie Burns from the Shamrocks was an exceptional talent who never really broke the county ranks. Tony McMahon is of the same vintage and was maybe even more talented, but didn't seem to have the interest.

Michael Walsh. Enough said.

Injuries robbed us of Colm McAlarney Jr and Eoin McCartan, two seriously gifted players who would have lived up to their family names. Liam Doyle as well, perhaps even more so. And by all accounts, Brian Conlon was better than them all put together.

Shane Ward was perhaps the most gifted juvenile talent I ever saw in Down until Martin Clarke came along. He had a decade on and off the panel and never really fitted in.

There's so many.
as u said so many!! even from my time as coach during underage set up have seen vast amount of talent that definitely had the ability but for some reason never starred for the county as thought they would have, tits from hilltown, manu from an riocht, pj and brian mc gov from burren, aidan fegan of annaclone, eddie magee of rostrevor along with others... im sure all coaches see 'great talented prospects' drift away from where they should be for some reason or other and then there are those who at youth level seem 'ordinary' but prosper and peak at senior level, probably out of dedication and hard work which should be applauded and proves talent alone wont gaurantee success or notice.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 19, 2010, 07:17:26 PM
Thought Ciaran Brannigan was a real talent in 2006
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 19, 2010, 07:54:47 PM
1-3 to 1-1 to dpatrick away to saval
Poor match, ref is brutal, yer man o'hare
Definitely men will be sent off due to ref letting stuff go
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 19, 2010, 09:02:39 PM
1-7 to 1-3 to dpatrick
Saval kicked 6/7 wides at start of 2nd half
Classic dpatrick niggly and made the game stop start
Dpatrick go 1 point clear at top div 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 19, 2010, 09:03:29 PM
Dundrum 2-7 Glenn 0-10.
Title: Mid Down Gael
Post by: passedit on August 19, 2010, 09:27:56 PM
Check your pm sir
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 19, 2010, 09:49:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 19, 2010, 09:03:29 PM
Dundrum 2-7 Glenn 0-10.

getting even tighter in Division 3 now:
League table for ACFL Division 3
Team P W L D P+ P- P+/- Pts
Glasdrumman  17 13 4 0 282 199 83 26
Drumgath  17 11 5 1 222 204 18 23
Darragh Cross  16 8 5 3 201 186 15 19
Glenn  17 8 8 1 232 204 28 17
Bredagh  17 7 7 3 224 217 7 17
Dundrum  17 8 8 1 222 226 -4 17
Carryduff  16 7 7 2 187 175 12 16
Ardglass  17 7 8 2 200 255 -55 16
St Johns  17 7 9 1 202 200 2 15
St John Bosco  17 5 8 4 230 239 -9 14
Saul  17 6 9 2 223 261 -38 14
Drumaness  17 4 13 0 212 271 -59 8

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 19, 2010, 10:01:50 PM
Damian 'Tits' Smith was exceptional.  A pocket sized Benny Coulter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on August 19, 2010, 10:33:34 PM
A lot of theese "maybes" are from the last 10 years or so maybe reflecting the age profile of posters.

Under-achievers is an unfair term but if we are talking about "the ones that got away" then Dalsey Mooney is top gun.
Shorty and these boys got plenty of chances and didnt make it but Dalsey was something else.
Brian Conlon's early injury also robbed us of a real star.
Can't mention some of those other false prophest in the same breath.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 19, 2010, 11:32:42 PM
Dalsey Mooney was a gem, even as a 1966 minor when he was selected at midfield with Colm McAlarney pushed back to centre half.  Jim Milligan did brilliantly alongside McAlarney at m/f  in the 68 senior AJ final but faded away quickly. If Mooney had been available to partner McAlarney for the next few years, we would have won at least one more AI then. I believe Caolan Mooney is his grand nephew, so hopefully he may return from Australia and show us what Dalsey might have done.

Brian Conlon was an out and out goal scorer, and could be compared to Benny Coulter in many ways. He wrecked his knee playing for QUB, but he has done pretty well for himself in business.  He might well have preferred a football career and he would definitely have started in 91 if fit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 19, 2010, 11:37:18 PM
Quote from: Leo on August 19, 2010, 10:33:34 PM
A lot of theese "maybes" are from the last 10 years or so maybe reflecting the age profile of posters.

Under-achievers is an unfair term but if we are talking about "the ones that got away" then Dalsey Mooney is top gun.
Shorty and these boys got plenty of chances and didnt make it but Dalsey was something else.
Brian Conlon's early injury also robbed us of a real star.
Can't mention some of those other false prophest in the same breath.

Brian Conlon of Newry Mitchel was a brilliant player.

Dalsey Mooney is great uncle of Caolan Mooney of Rostrevor. 

In Feis Seven final in Newcastle in 1966 or 1967. Clonduff play Liatroim in brilliant  game i have seen.. Dalsey score all for Clonduff and Colm McAlarney did likewise for Liatroim. its was point for point, very even match but Dalsey score the winning point.. Think Dalsey got injured in that game that finished him while Arkle went  on to a outstanding gaa player in Ireland up to mid 70's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 20, 2010, 08:08:22 AM
Quote from: umpire on August 19, 2010, 11:37:18 PM
Quote from: Leo on August 19, 2010, 10:33:34 PM
A lot of theese "maybes" are from the last 10 years or so maybe reflecting the age profile of posters.

Under-achievers is an unfair term but if we are talking about "the ones that got away" then Dalsey Mooney is top gun.
Shorty and these boys got plenty of chances and didnt make it but Dalsey was something else.
Brian Conlon's early injury also robbed us of a real star.
Can't mention some of those other false prophest in the same breath.

Brian Conlon of Newry Mitchel was a brilliant player.

Dalsey Mooney is great uncle of Caolan Mooney of Rostrevor. 

In Feis Seven final in Newcastle in 1966 or 1967. Clonduff play Liatroim in brilliant  game i have seen.. Dalsey score all for Clonduff and Colm McAlarney did likewise for Liatroim. its was point for point, very even match but Dalsey score the winning point.. Think Dalsey got injured in that game that finished him while Arkle went  on to a outstanding gaa player in Ireland up to mid 70's

To be fair to Liatriom they were beaten by  an amaglamation of Cabra harps, Hilltown and Mayobridge in that final :L :L :L

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 20, 2010, 08:35:55 AM
Did McAlarney transfer from Liatroim at some point in his career and if he did where to?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 20, 2010, 08:56:13 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 20, 2010, 08:35:55 AM
Did McAlarney transfer from Liatroim at some point in his career and if he did where to?

Transferred to Castlewellan!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on August 20, 2010, 09:34:41 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 19, 2010, 10:01:50 PM
Damian 'Tits' Smith was exceptional.  A pocket sized Benny Coulter.

Well Said Amallon.  'Tits' was an exceptional player, a very brainy footballer also.  Shane Ward was the best Juvenile in the county for years.  Still playing for Clonduff and coming back into the side in recent times.

Brendan Kearney from Warrenpoint was also great through the years at St.Colmans and was on the 1999 AI winning minor side.  Just didnt seem to step up to Senior - Is he injured?

Damian McGrady never really scaled the heights either.  PJ McAlinden was also a very good footballer.  Injuries robbed Liam Doyle of a longer intercounty career ( a very classy footballer).

Sad fact that some players never really kick on from underage with as far as representing the county goes but they do however still show talent for their clubs.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 20, 2010, 10:03:54 AM
James and Dan Morgan of Kilcoo are really top players on Down club secne in arouond seventies, both of them have played for Down but unable to adapt to county standard.. but hey, they were unstoppable in club matches.

Mid Down Gael, any of James and Dan's son playing nowaday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on August 20, 2010, 01:17:53 PM
McAlarney went to Castlewellan after there was infighting and splits in Liatroim and most players refused to train.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on August 20, 2010, 01:44:41 PM
Tom Morgan from Tullylish was a very talented minor and under 21 but never made it through to the seniors. I think he is now involved in the management of Tullylish senior team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on August 20, 2010, 01:56:39 PM
It's hard to predict who will go on from a great minor to make it as a senior.  Some people are fully grown and well built when they are 16 or 17 and they really stand out at underage level.  If they are just going through people for a short cut then it's hard for them when they get to seniors and they can't do that any longer.  For others they are only really starting to fill out at 17 or 18 and they can go on to be better seniors when they mature as they have had to rely more on skill when they were underage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on August 20, 2010, 05:42:21 PM
Liam howlett barney said he was the best ever player to come through st marks got a bad knee injury and maybe burn out cut his career short
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 20, 2010, 06:07:44 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 20, 2010, 10:03:54 AM
James and Dan Morgan of Kilcoo are really top players on Down club secne in arouond seventies, both of them have played for Down but unable to adapt to county standard.. but hey, they were unstoppable in club matches.

Mid Down Gael, any of James and Dan's son playing nowaday?

To be fair they played on average enough Down sides but where two off our greatest ever players and where great role models with the way they carried themselves and looked after themselves.
James has no sons while Dan has 3 who currently line out for Liatroim where Dan married and has lived for many years now.
Nial Morgan who lines out for us in defence is a nephew off the Morgan brothers.

Michael Walsh was the best underage player i have seen and although he didnt reach these heights for Down seniors due to terrible injurys he stil has had a successful club career at senior level winning 8 championships and playing a staring role in many off the bridge's successes.

Nial McAleenan off Castlewellan was another player who was a class act but suffered badly with injurys while Damian didler Doyle from Liatriom also promesed much in his school days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on August 20, 2010, 07:22:26 PM
From the Mourne area, Greencastle produced many good footballers. The O'Rourkes, Thomas Clarke ( father of John and Martin), Doyles,Sloans and Eugene Kerr were top players who never cut it at county senior level. In the town , Liam Hughes and Redmond Hanna stood out.Atticall had Tony Sloan ( who went on to Carryduff) while Ballymartin had the O'Reillys, Annetts,,umpteen Rodgers and Cunninghams. For the Stone, John Pat Trainor was a better version of Conor Laverty and his brothers were pretty good also- Paul 'Cheetah'Burden, Paddy Mallon, James Blair,John Poland ( father of Mark) and some of the Haughians were great club players.For the smallest club, players like the Feeneys,Joyces,Karl and Paddy 'Crerand' Cunningham and Dermot Mac Greevy  starred for Glasdrumman.
I really miss the old tournaments where you had a mini-championship in the course of a week- huge crowds,high drama and devil-may-care football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 20, 2010, 08:49:53 PM
Bridge 2.10 Castlewellan 0.10 Poor performance by us to be honest!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on August 20, 2010, 09:42:18 PM
Div 3 Result

Drumgath 1-12
Ardglass  1-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 20, 2010, 10:16:14 PM
Friday evening.
JFC replay

Ballykinlar 1.8 Bright 1.15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on August 20, 2010, 10:17:40 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 20, 2010, 08:49:53 PM
Bridge 2.10 Castlewellan 0.10 Poor performance by us to be honest!!!

If the town had been more clinical when presented with 3 gilt edged goal chances and not given away an awful goal the result would have been very different.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 20, 2010, 10:19:52 PM
Prediction League update after Bright beating Ballykinlar

1   14   ApresMatch
2   14   Bearly on loose
3   14   conormac
4   13   Brick Tamlin
5   13   BRIDGE LAD
6   13   CHB1
8   13   Johnnie99
8   13   Maldini
9   13   mournerambler
10   13   No1
11   13   Out In Front
12   13   umpire
13   13   westdowngael
14   13   When We Win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 20, 2010, 10:34:35 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on August 20, 2010, 10:17:40 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 20, 2010, 08:49:53 PM
Bridge 2.10 Castlewellan 0.10 Poor performance by us to be honest!!!

If the town had been more clinical when presented with 3 gilt edged goal chances and not given away an awful goal the result would have been very different.

Are you being serious? The Town never looked like at any stage capable of beating us, we missed a bucket load of chances ourselves even though we weren't at full tilt! I thought we played well in patches cutting through your defence with ease, also our defence stood up well blocking the Town out!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on August 20, 2010, 10:42:42 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 20, 2010, 06:07:44 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 20, 2010, 10:03:54 AM
James and Dan Morgan of Kilcoo are really top players on Down club secne in arouond seventies, both of them have played for Down but unable to adapt to county standard.. but hey, they were unstoppable in club matches.

Mid Down Gael, any of James and Dan's son playing nowaday?

To be fair they played on average enough Down sides but where two off our greatest ever players and where great role models with the way they carried themselves and looked after themselves.
James has no sons while Dan has 3 who currently line out for Liatroim where Dan married and has lived for many years now.
Nial Morgan who lines out for us in defence is a nephew off the Morgan brothers.

Michael Walsh was the best underage player i have seen and although he didnt reach these heights for Down seniors due to terrible injurys he stil has had a successful club career at senior level winning 8 championships and playing a staring role in many off the bridge's successes.

Nial McAleenan off Castlewellan was another player who was a class act but suffered badly with injurys while Damian didler Doyle from Liatriom also promesed much in his school days.

These are all fair points but seem to come from a very recent era so my earlier poost has (again!!)been ignored.

Howevre James Morgan is a good example - he didn't mss tyhe boat - he had his cahnces - great  bit of stuff but  apart from one seanon never made the cut at senior county level - want some more??
Sean O'Rourke  Ray Carville (Greencasrle) - Benny McArdfle (Annaclone)  - nothing to do with hard luck stories - Dalsey & Conlon fall into the hard luck "the ones that got away" category wheres these guys got plenty of chances = still great players but didnt make it!!!

Brendan McKibbin would have been a legend but sad untimely loss.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 21, 2010, 12:15:48 AM
Shocker from the Harps tonight. Kilclief turned us over by 3 points and fully deserved it. Major opportunity missed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 21, 2010, 12:22:34 AM
Kilclief 1-10 harps 0-10
Awful performance but credit to kilclief who battled well
Harps missing 6 starters but no notion of going anywhere near div 1 if we can't beat bottom of table kilclief
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on August 21, 2010, 12:44:34 AM
Saul 0.15 Drumaness 0.11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on August 21, 2010, 09:07:22 AM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on August 20, 2010, 10:34:35 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on August 20, 2010, 10:17:40 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 20, 2010, 08:49:53 PM
Bridge 2.10 Castlewellan 0.10 Poor performance by us to be honest!!!

If the town had been more clinical when presented with 3 gilt edged goal chances and not given away an awful goal the result would have been very different.

Are you being serious? The Town never looked like at any stage capable of beating us, we missed a bucket load of chances ourselves even though we weren't at full tilt! I thought we played well in patches cutting through your defence with ease, also our defence stood up well blocking the Town out!

I don't know what game you were at- you were gifted your second goal right at the death. The town were awful in the first half but were by far the better team in the second half and had any of those goal chances went in it would have been a different result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on August 21, 2010, 09:40:48 AM
Warrenpoint 1-18 - Loughinisland 2-06
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 21, 2010, 07:30:53 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on August 21, 2010, 09:07:22 AM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on August 20, 2010, 10:34:35 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on August 20, 2010, 10:17:40 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 20, 2010, 08:49:53 PM
Bridge 2.10 Castlewellan 0.10 Poor performance by us to be honest!!!

If the town had been more clinical when presented with 3 gilt edged goal chances and not given away an awful goal the result would have been very different.

Are you being serious? The Town never looked like at any stage capable of beating us, we missed a bucket load of chances ourselves even though we weren't at full tilt! I thought we played well in patches cutting through your defence with ease, also our defence stood up well blocking the Town out!

I don't know what game you were at- you were gifted your second goal right at the death. The town were awful in the first half but were by far the better team in the second half and had any of those goal chances went in it would have been a different result.

But they didn't. Football is generally a results based game. Premutations aren't much worth to anyone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 22, 2010, 11:15:09 AM
Bcarrier. Shorty had a poor championshiip in 1990 and was highly unlikely to have been near the team even if he had not dropped out.  He returned in 92/03, but got a long suspensions after what looked like a mistaken sending off in an NFL play-off at Croke Park againsdt Kerry, decided to play Irish league soccer and missed the 94 campaign. He returned again for the championships of 96 and 97, having made his debut back in 83. There will always be arguments about Shorty, but he was a massive natural talen and was very unlucky not have added at least one Sam to his AI club medals.

Brian Conlon practically always played in the full forward line for Down, and his best position was at no 14. He might have gone to London in the 1990s, but his career was long over by then after an injury playing for QUB in the late 1980s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John o connor on August 22, 2010, 01:16:38 PM
Does anyone know if we in the Mournes have done anything in particular to upset that Ricky Nixon fella because apparently he is at it again , not content with Clarke ( admittedly now returned ) O Reilly and Mooney word has it a young fella from that forgotten place Kilwarlin has caught his eye ! Steve Mc Straw a late commer on the scene but with undoubted talent has been out all season after a serious rib injury pre season whilst playing for Kilwarlin s parent club Magheralin. Nixon has invited Mc Straw to trials in Navan in Jan 2011 should he recover from the career threatening rib prob. How much longer must we in Down watch this talent drain out of our Clubs . Go look in Tyrone Ricky , your not welcome in Kilwarlin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: twice is nice on August 22, 2010, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 22, 2010, 11:15:09 AM
Bcarrier. Shorty had a poor championshiip in 1990 and was highly unlikely to have been near the team even if he had not dropped out.  He returned in 92/03, but got a long suspensions after what looked like a mistaken sending off in an NFL play-off at Croke Park againsdt Kerry, decided to play Irish league soccer and missed the 94 campaign. He returned again for the championships of 96 and 97, having made his debut back in 83. There will always be arguments about Shorty, but he was a massive natural talen and was very unlucky not have added at least one Sam to his AI club medals.

Brian Conlon practically always played in the full forward line for Down, and his best position was at no 14. He might have gone to London in the 1990s, but his career was long over by then after an injury playing for QUB in the late 1980s.
Shorty for one reason r other never got the honours at county level but no hiding the fact that he was the most talented gifted player I ever saw, could put the ball where ever he wanted, great solo runs, scores etc..  just a real privilege to watch and play alongside!!!! ther'l never b another shorty......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 22, 2010, 01:41:46 PM
Quotewhilst playing for Kilwarlin s parent club Magheralin.

???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John o connor on August 22, 2010, 02:21:57 PM
Wat ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leg End on August 22, 2010, 02:29:41 PM
Quote from: off the laces on August 21, 2010, 12:44:34 AM
Saul 0.15 Drumaness 0.11
lol
it was actually officially 13-11 but saul scored 14 points and drumaness scored 10. but that clown john killen give drumaness one of sauls scores in the first half so at half time when it should have been 6-6 he said it was 7-5 to drumaness and he refused to change it when
1. The scoreboard said 6-6
2. Saul management told him it was 6-6 and were fit to talk him thru all 6 scores
3. 3 umpires said it was 6-6
4. Down recorder photographer/reporter who was doing match report as a neutral told him it was 6-6
5. The reaction by both sides when he said the scoreboard was wrong told the whole story.

He said it was def 7-5 and of drumaness management didn't say it was 6-6 then the score was staying at 7-5.
The drumaness management didn't own up to the correct score so the score remained 7-5 ....absolute madness.. Never seen the likes of it before..drumaness supporters were actually laughing at him. I understand that referees can make mistakes but surely they have to hold there hands up when they do and when they have the chance to correct it then do so especially when everyone in the park is saying he's wrong including neutrals.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 22, 2010, 04:40:23 PM
Leitrim 1-6 Rostrevor 3-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 22, 2010, 06:34:39 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 20, 2010, 06:07:44 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 20, 2010, 10:03:54 AM
James and Dan Morgan of Kilcoo are really top players on Down club secne in arouond seventies, both of them have played for Down but unable to adapt to county standard.. but hey, they were unstoppable in club matches.

Mid Down Gael, any of James and Dan's son playing nowaday?

To be fair they played on average enough Down sides but where two off our greatest ever players and where great role models with the way they carried themselves and looked after themselves.
James has no sons while Dan has 3 who currently line out for Liatroim where Dan married and has lived for many years now.
Nial Morgan who lines out for us in defence is a nephew off the Morgan brothers.


Don't forget Roger, another nephew.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 22, 2010, 07:47:21 PM
Darragh Cross 0-13
Carryduff 0-11

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Orior on August 22, 2010, 08:35:02 PM
Did I miss any discussion of the party in Ballyholland on Saturday night?

My dad certainly enjoyed it (any won by Armagh over Down is good in his books). Great entertainment by Benny Tierney.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 22, 2010, 08:40:51 PM
anyone know if there will be any fixtures this Friday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 22, 2010, 09:29:48 PM
Ford beat us by 2 tonight better team and were more hungrier.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 22, 2010, 09:34:07 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 22, 2010, 08:40:51 PM
anyone know if there will be any fixtures this Friday
Date Team 1 vs Team 2 Time Venue Referee Comment
Ladies Football U-14A Championship
22/08/2010  Loughinisland   Carryduff  12:30 Loughinisland Gerard Brannigan St Johns Q/F
22/08/2010  Saul   Castlewellan  12:30 Saul Eugene O Hare Q/F
Ladies Football U-14B Championship
22/08/2010  Annaclone   Bryansford  12:30 Annaclone Pat Fox Q/F
22/08/2010  Shamrocks   Saval  12:30 Shamrocks Paula Cairns Q/F
22/08/2010  Tullylish   Kilcoo  12:30 Tullylish Dessie Turley Q/F
Camogie Senior Division 1
22/08/2010  Atticall   Portaferry  15:00 Atticall TBC Round 9
22/08/2010  Liatroim   Clonduff  15:00 Liatroim TBC Round 9
Morgan Milk All County PRF Championship
23/08/2010  Annaclone   Ballyholland  19:00 Annaclone Declan Ryan 
23/08/2010  Burren   Mayobridge  19:00 Burren Liam Morgan 
23/08/2010  Kilcoo   Liatroim  19:00 Kilcoo Paul Gelston 
Camogie Senior Division 2
23/08/2010  Ballycran   Ballyholland  19:00 Ballycran TBC Round 14
23/08/2010  Clonduff   An Riocht  19:00 Clonduff TBC Round 14
23/08/2010  Liatroim   Ben Dearg 1 19:00 Liatroim TBC Round 14
ACFL Division 3
23/08/2010  St Johns   Bredagh  19:15 St Johns Ned Morgan 
Morgan Milk Reserve Football Championship
24/08/2010  Glasdrumman   Warrenpoint  19:00 Glasdrumman Denis Cotter 
24/08/2010  Shamrocks   Rostrevor  19:00 Shamrocks Dominic Kearns 
Ladies Intermediate Football Championship
24/08/2010  Shamrocks   Annaclone  19:00 Saval Ronan Barry S/F
Joe McCrickard Cup
25/08/2010  Bredagh   Ballycran  19:00 Bredagh TBC Preliminary Round
25/08/2010  Liatroim   Ballyvarley  19:00 Liatroim TBC Preliminary Round
ACFL Division 2
26/08/2010  Loughinisland   Ballyholland  19:00 Loughinisland Neill Cousins 
ACFL Division 1
27/08/2010  Bryansford   An Riocht  19:00 Bryansford Eamon McCarthy 
27/08/2010  Castlewellan   Rostrevor  19:00 Castlewellan Con Reynolds 
27/08/2010  Clonduff   Liatroim  19:00 Clonduff Pascal Toner 
27/08/2010  Longstone   Kilcoo  19:00 Longstone Gavin Corrigan 
27/08/2010  Mayobridge   Burren  19:00 Mayobridge Brendan Rice 
ACFL Division 2
27/08/2010  Annaclone   Downpatrick  19:00 Annaclone Damien Laverty 
27/08/2010  Ballymartin   Atticall  19:00 Ballymartin Gabriel Tummelty 
27/08/2010  Clann na Banna   Kilclief  19:00 Clann na Banna Kieran Trainor 
27/08/2010  Shamrocks   Saval  19:00 Shamrocks Leo Smith 
27/08/2010  Warrenpoint   Tullylish  19:00 Warrenpoint Jim Burns 
ACFL Division 3
27/08/2010  Bredagh   Glasdrumman  19:00 Bredagh Mickey Curran 
27/08/2010  Carryduff   St Johns  19:00 Carryduff Mark Lynch 
27/08/2010  Darragh Cross   St John Bosco  19:00 Darragh Cross John Killen 
27/08/2010  Drumaness   Dundrum  19:00 Drumaness Liam Morgan 
27/08/2010  Glenn   Drumgath  19:00 Glenn D Brogan 
27/08/2010  Saul   Ardglass  19:00 Saul Alan Grant 
ACFL Division 4
27/08/2010  St Michaels   Aughlisnafin  19:00 St Michaels Declan Moore
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 22, 2010, 09:37:07 PM
Anybody hear about the tragic events in Warrenpoint tonight? Don't want to post anything until confirmation comes through.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wavesofTORRES on August 22, 2010, 09:56:43 PM
Unfortunatley DF that is correct. Very sad news.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 22, 2010, 09:57:13 PM
What happened?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 22, 2010, 10:01:08 PM
indeed very sad news
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 22, 2010, 10:01:54 PM
wat happened please elaborate!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 22, 2010, 10:03:00 PM
if people do not want to post this, can some one pm me please
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 22, 2010, 10:06:15 PM
A young fella collapsed and died while playing for a Warrenpoint team tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 22, 2010, 10:06:48 PM
your jokin me, who was he?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 22, 2010, 10:07:54 PM
 did that happen in hurling or football game?? savage news... absolutely savage..  :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 22, 2010, 10:08:16 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 22, 2010, 10:06:15 PM
A young fella collapsed and died while playing for a Warrenpoint team tonight.

terrible news indeed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 22, 2010, 10:09:32 PM
Shocking, RIP.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 22, 2010, 10:12:14 PM
I believe he was playing for point minors against our minors in petit park. Tragic circumstances such a horrible thing to happen anyone whatever age!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeePeteIsALegend on August 22, 2010, 10:16:14 PM
RIP Patrick Dinsmore

Devastating stuff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wavesofTORRES on August 22, 2010, 10:17:58 PM
Minor football in Rostrevor tonite. Collapsed after 10 minutes I know a lot lads who wer playing and they said they knew he was gone before the ambulance arrived. The lads are devastated a smashing lad from a very well known family in Warrenpoint. This is going to put a bit of a downer on the build up to next Sunday, puts it all in perspective imho. May he R.I.P.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on August 22, 2010, 10:20:30 PM
Terrible terrible news. RIP Patrick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 22, 2010, 10:21:40 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 22, 2010, 06:34:39 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 20, 2010, 06:07:44 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 20, 2010, 10:03:54 AM
James and Dan Morgan of Kilcoo are really top players on Down club secne in arouond seventies, both of them have played for Down but unable to adapt to county standard.. but hey, they were unstoppable in club matches.

Mid Down Gael, any of James and Dan's son playing nowaday?

To be fair they played on average enough Down sides but where two off our greatest ever players and where great role models with the way they carried themselves and looked after themselves.
James has no sons while Dan has 3 who currently line out for Liatroim where Dan married and has lived for many years now.
Nial Morgan who lines out for us in defence is a nephew off the Morgan brothers.


Don't forget Roger, another nephew.  ;)

Apologies forgot to mention Roger.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 22, 2010, 10:25:03 PM
Terrible news in the point. RIP.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on August 22, 2010, 10:32:58 PM
Shocked to hear of the tragic news about the lad from Warrenpoint, my thoughts go out to his family & friends at this terrible time, as well as his team mates & anyone unfortunate enough to have witnessed the tragic event this evening, RIP.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 22, 2010, 11:06:32 PM
Terrible news from Petit Park, Rostrevor this evening. RIP.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on August 23, 2010, 01:02:36 AM

Due to the very sad and untimely death of our greatly respected young minor footballer, Patrick Dinsmore (24 August 1993 to 22 August 2010), during an away league game with close neighbours Rostrevor on Sunday evening, Cumann Pheadair Naofa has cancelled all club activities until midnight on Saturday 28 August 2010. Our thoughts and prayers are with Patrick's family and friends. May he rest in peace.
Go ndéana Dia Trócaire air.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on August 23, 2010, 09:26:23 AM
That is harrowing news RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 23, 2010, 10:28:49 AM
deepest condolences to the family and friends.

An awful thing to happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on August 23, 2010, 11:36:30 AM
RIP, tragic news and it certainley does put things in perspective.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John o connor on August 23, 2010, 04:04:08 PM
RIP very sad news , thoughts and condolences to the family
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on August 23, 2010, 06:41:48 PM
Terrible sad news . RIP Patrick .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 24, 2010, 12:09:59 PM
Has anyone got the result from last nights game between st johns and bredagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on August 24, 2010, 01:18:18 PM
st johns won 1.08 to 0.02
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on August 24, 2010, 01:39:25 PM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on August 24, 2010, 01:18:18 PM
st johns won 1.08 to 0.02

So, with most teams having 4 games left to play, only two teams in the entire 3rd division are definitely safe from Relegation?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 24, 2010, 05:42:34 PM
Quote from: Johnnie99 on August 24, 2010, 01:18:18 PM
st johns won 1.08 to 0.02

Id say top three are. Tighest league I have ever seen. As old saying goes very littlee between a pat on the back and a kick up the arse.
0-2? Possibly one of the lowest scores I have ever seen, certainly in division 3 anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kumquat on August 24, 2010, 06:41:58 PM
Anyone got an up to date league table for div 3?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 24, 2010, 09:20:23 PM
Lads,a local artist from the Bridge called  Robbie Dinsmore is releasing a song on Thursday  called "Down men".. All proceeds go to our club and i hope yous can buy a copy... the single is only £3 and i swear its very good!!! He could give Danny Doran a run for his money :D He mentions a lot of places in Down including Burren , Clonduff and Kilcoo ;D ;D Dundrum and Saval even get a mention  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 24, 2010, 09:42:50 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 24, 2010, 09:20:23 PM
Lads,a local artist from the Bridge called  Robbie Dinsmore is releasing a song on Thursday  called "Down men".. All proceeds go to our club and i hope yous can buy a copy... the single is only £3 and i swear its very good!!! He could give Danny Doran a run for his money :D He mentions a lot of places in Down including Burren , Clonduff and Kilcoo ;D ;D Dundrum and Saval even get a mention  :) :) :)

Have you any idea where it will be sold? Robbie is a good singer so im sure its well worth buying.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on August 24, 2010, 09:57:30 PM
Robbie Dinsmore is a great singer alright, I asume it'l be in local shops TO'Hare? I'll pick up a copy surely. Great honest work from him too by the way, making all proceeds go to the club, thats very noble, I'm sure not all other artists are doing the same, fairplay to him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saffron sam2 on August 24, 2010, 10:10:21 PM
Quote from: Orior on August 22, 2010, 08:35:02 PM
Did I miss any discussion of the party in Ballyholland on Saturday night?

My dad certainly enjoyed it (any won by Armagh over Down is good in his books). Great entertainment by Benny Tierney.

I dropped the ladies off with the in-laws and took the wee lad over to this (his first Gaelic match).  Privileged to meet Paddy Doherty there.

Fair play to all those who took part - a very worthy cause.

Tierney was superb in goals - a man of the match performance. However I don't get Tierney's 'humour'. What was the pulling the shorts up shite?

Nor was the microphone boy particularly funny. He was slagging Tierney off about the size of his jersey when the jovial custodian could easily have borrowed it from the mc himself!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 24, 2010, 10:16:54 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 24, 2010, 09:20:23 PM
Lads,a local artist from the Bridge called  Robbie Dinsmore is releasing a song on Thursday  called "Down men".. All proceeds go to our club and i hope yous can buy a copy... the single is only £3 and i swear its very good!!! He could give Danny Doran a run for his money :D He mentions a lot of places in Down including Burren , Clonduff and Kilcoo ;D ;D Dundrum and Saval even get a mention  :) :) :)

Pass on details? ex primary teacher here and a very popular man in our neck of woods, will promote it to ensure it sells a few copies.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 24, 2010, 10:24:09 PM
Being sold in all the shops and pubs around the Bridge plus the Bridge and Burren game on Friday! Will keep yous informed as all details as all have not been finalised yet! I would imagine it will be branch out to a few other shops throughout the county! Think its a great idea that all proceeds are going to the club, fair play to him!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 24, 2010, 10:28:18 PM
Tommy, did yis play Burren last night?

We beat Annaclone but there's not much sign of any results around?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 24, 2010, 11:03:37 PM
MAYOBRIDGE 0-9  BURREN  1-6

A last gasp point from Burren ensured that this Premier Reserve Championship game played in St. Mary's Park on Monday evening goes to a replay.  A draw was a fair enough result as when both sides look back on the game they will realise that they were both guilty of some very scrappy football and their scoring attempts left a lot to be desired.  The first half ended with Burren leading 0-3 to 0-2 with Cathal Killen and Keith Quinn on target for the 'Bridge.

With the sides level at 0-5 apiece midway through the second half the 'Bridge introduced the evergreen Michael Linden and with virtually his first touch he put the Sky Blues ahead.  Caolan Gallagher added another point and the 'Bridge looked to be on their way.  However Burren slammed in a goal in the 20th minute to rock the visitors.  The 'Bridge over came this setback and a Michael Linden free and a point from Caolan Gallagher nudged them ahead again. Then came that late equaliser to deny the 'Bridge a place in the next round for the time being at least.

Mayobridge scorers:  Barry Garvey (0-2), Michael Linden (0-2),Caolan Gallagher (0-2), Michael Butterfield (0-1), Keith Quinn (0-1), Cathal Killen (0-1).

good game!! Great crowd and very clean  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 24, 2010, 11:17:18 PM
Cheers tommy.

Decky Moore took 2 linesmen with him last night and at throw in I think there were actually more officials than specatators!

It was a good win for Harps though. We should give you boys a better game this year if our paths should cross - although in fairness we would struggle to give you a worse game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 25, 2010, 05:39:20 PM
FAO No1, just as well you changed the manager during the season or you would have ended up wearing canterbury jerseys next season!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on August 25, 2010, 09:02:36 PM
St Michaels won 3-17 to 2-11, in the playoffs against the Mitchels I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 25, 2010, 10:10:31 PM
QuoteFAO No1, just as well you changed the manager during the season or you would have ended up wearing canterbury jerseys next season!

Sure what make of training gear do you think we are using now?   :o

I could tell you a story but I'm gonna let bygones be bygones.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on August 25, 2010, 10:27:20 PM
Quote from: No1 on August 25, 2010, 10:10:31 PM
QuoteFAO No1, just as well you changed the manager during the season or you would have ended up wearing canterbury jerseys next season!

Sure what make of training gear do you think we are using now?   :o

I could tell you a story but I'm gonna let bygones be bygones.

I could tell you a few myself!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 25, 2010, 10:39:19 PM
Quote from: Wee Shea on August 25, 2010, 09:02:36 PM
St Michaels won 3-17 to 2-11, in the playoffs against the Mitchels I think.

BOLLOCKS!!  :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on August 25, 2010, 11:07:00 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on August 25, 2010, 10:27:20 PM
Quote from: No1 on August 25, 2010, 10:10:31 PM
QuoteFAO No1, just as well you changed the manager during the season or you would have ended up wearing canterbury jerseys next season!

Sure what make of training gear do you think we are using now?   :o

I could tell you a story but I'm gonna let bygones be bygones.

I could tell you a few myself!


Go on! Tell us the gossip lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 25, 2010, 11:17:36 PM
Robbie Dinsmore's new Down song.  I see a board member was doing backing vocals!  Well done TOHare!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00IqzZC_AO8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00IqzZC_AO8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Worker on August 25, 2010, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 25, 2010, 11:17:36 PM
Robbie Dinsmore's new Down song.  I see a board member was doing backing vocals!  Well done TOHare!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00IqzZC_AO8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00IqzZC_AO8)

Hes like a young Bob Geldof!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 26, 2010, 01:01:40 AM
Copies in all shops and pubs in the Bridge and beyond from tommorrow afernoon.. call in and buy one!!! This could be my big break :) :) :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 26, 2010, 09:11:23 AM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on August 24, 2010, 10:10:21 PM
Quote from: Orior on August 22, 2010, 08:35:02 PM
Did I miss any discussion of the party in Ballyholland on Saturday night?

My dad certainly enjoyed it (any won by Armagh over Down is good in his books). Great entertainment by Benny Tierney.

I dropped the ladies off with the in-laws and took the wee lad over to this (his first Gaelic match).  Privileged to meet Paddy Doherty there.

Fair play to all those who took part - a very worthy cause.

Tierney was superb in goals - a man of the match performance. However I don't get Tierney's 'humour'. What was the pulling the shorts up shite?

Nor was the microphone boy particularly funny. He was slagging Tierney off about the size of his jersey when the jovial custodian could easily have borrowed it from the mc himself!!!

Have to agree....it's funny the way the arsehole always ends up with the microphone!! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 26, 2010, 11:29:41 AM
Thousands of deliriously happy Down fans crowded into the wee town that was fit to burst with the numbers thronging its streets for the welcome home of the newly crowned All-Ireland champions.

Paddy O'Rourke raised the Sam Maguire Cup aloft for what must have been the hundredth time since the final whistle blew at Croke Park the previous afternoon signalling that Down had beaten Meath 1-16 to 1-14.

The famine was over. Twenty-three years had passed since the last team from the Mourne County brought Sam home and manager Pete McGrath, the mastermind of the victory, uttered the immortal words: "They said that Meath were the team that couldn't be beaten. We were the team that beat the team that couldn't be beaten."

Cue another round of ringing cheers and whoops. And in those remarks, McGrath identified a fascinating characteristic of Down football teams.

Hardwood

They don't appear at Croke Park in All-Ireland semi-finals or finals very often but when they do, they tend to topple the biggest hardwood trees in the forest as if they were lumberjacks on a chainsaw spree.

Kerry in the 1960 final; a powerful Offaly side in the 1961 decider and the Kingdom again in 1968. Mighty Meath took the fall in 1991 and three years later it was the turn of the Dubs to crash to earth.

Hard to believe that it's 19 years since that epic night in Newry and that 16 years have elapsed without an Ulster or All-Ireland title for the county. McGrath, whose manager's role was central to those All-Ireland victories of 1991 and '94, shakes his head at that statistic.

"In those days teams that got to an All-Ireland semi-final had come through and won their provincial championships, so they knew they already had something in the bank," he said. "In our case, in '91 it had been 10 years since Down had won a provincial title, so we knew there was something to show for the efforts of the season.

"Having said that, it's the old thing about any Down team -- when they go into the All-Ireland series there's a belief and a confidence there and there will never be any suggestion of an inferiority complex.

"That always stands Down teams in good stead when they get on to the big stage and that's the way it was in '91."

The former teacher and coach of the famed Down nursery St Colman's, Newry, was a young senior inter-county manager back then, having only taken over in 1989, but he was always progressive.

McGrath was also learning his trade as a team boss, and observed: "Managers are like players, in the sense that when games are won, players get more confidence, more belief, they learn about themselves, and I think team managers are the same.

"There's no doubt that when you start off a championship campaign, and if you get to an Ulster final or provincial final and you win it, you're probably a more confident manager than you were at the start of it. Now, you mightn't like to admit that.

"You might say, 'I'm always confident,' but deep down inside there's more substantial grounds there for believing in yourself when you win and I think that reflects itself in how you handle the team, how you make decisions and how you approach the thing generally."

One major element of Down's 1991 success was their awareness of the mental requirements for that year's final after they defeated Kerry, managed by Mickey Ned O'Sullivan, in the semi-final.

"I remember telling the players the night after we beat Kerry that we would have to improve and I also said, 'We're in an All-Ireland final for the first time in 23 years and there's going to be expectation and people will be getting excited.'

"I said, 'we can't afford to do that. Let the supporters do that. Let them indulge in that, but we have to remain focused, we have to remain aloof from all that.'

"And the players responded. They didn't fall for the hype."

After '91, Down hit speed bumps -- and that meant more lessons to be learned.

"In '92 and '93, Derry beat us, but in those years Donegal won the All-Ireland in '92 and Derry won it in '93, so even though we were losing out on provincial championships we were aware that we were in very good company and that the standard we were competing at in Ulster was very high.

"We had a good approach in the '94 campaign, particularly after beating Derry at Celtic Park and then going on to win the Ulster championship. I felt we were more ready for the semi-final and the final that year.

"But yes, you do grow with the job and you get wiser. You learn about yourself, you learn about the players and I think it means you're able to make more measured decisions and maybe look at the thing in a calmer, more objective way.

"I certainly would be very definitive and say that I was a wiser manager in '94 than I was in '91 and I think the players were wiser as well."

McGrath is well versed in the current trend of back-room teams and meticulous planning but I wondered if all this is inhibiting the natural talent of players.

McGrath replied: "You hear a lot now about game plans and tactics and sweepers and all that sort of thing but I still feel, even looking at games this year and looking at games generally, that there's still scope there for players to express themselves individually. There is still flexibility and room for people to play to their potential and if they've got flair or whatever gifts they have, they can express those."

It will be interesting to see how that aspect pans out on Sunday in what he thinks is a game that is too close to call.

"Put it this way, I don't think you'd have a lot of people rushing off to put large sums of money with great confidence on either Down or Kildare. It's that close.

"I must say, I'm very impressed with Kildare. Physically they're strong but they're also very mobile and they've got a pace and intensity about their game. They're highly competitive.

"For a number of years they would have been regarded as being a bit sterile in their approach to the game but I think they have evolved a very good system of play."

However, it's certainly not all bad news for Down, he believes. "Defensively, Down have improved. I also think that in the midfield area, the arrival of Kalum King into the county squad this year has given them an added dimension. He's a big strong midfielder, he's given them a lot of stability in that area, particularly defensively.

"I still think the strength of the Down team is their forward line. All Down teams that have done well through the years have had forwards that are capable of conjuring up scores and getting goals at critical times."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 26, 2010, 08:38:51 PM
Harps hammered Loughinisland tonight by 13 pts...Puts the pressure back on Downpatrick and Saval.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on August 26, 2010, 10:16:08 PM
Big win 5Sams

I have to say the club looked really well on BBC NI tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on August 27, 2010, 10:19:43 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 25, 2010, 11:17:36 PM
Robbie Dinsmore's new Down song.  I see a board member was doing backing vocals!  Well done TOHare!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00IqzZC_AO8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00IqzZC_AO8)

That man used to teach=hero, great song
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on August 27, 2010, 03:10:28 PM
Want to say good luck to our ladies senior footballers for their senior final against castlewellan.  Best of luck. And obviously good luck to down on sunday. wont be too many of us left behind in the county, getting excited already. Cant wait
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 27, 2010, 05:39:30 PM
bredagh Ladies? how many starters actually come from bredagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on August 27, 2010, 06:36:24 PM
11 of the starting semi-final team came up through underage ranks.However the answer to your question is that all come from Bredagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on August 27, 2010, 07:40:22 PM
Down to play Kildare

No.   Name
1.   Brendan McVeigh
2.   Daniel McCartan
3.   Dan Gordon
4.   Damian Rafferty
5.   Declan Rooney
6.   Kevin McKernan
7.   Conor Garvey
8.   Peter Fitzpatrick
9.   Kalum King
10.   Daniel Hughes
11.   Mark Poland
12.   Paul McComiskey
13.   Brendan Coulter
14.   John Clarke
15.   Martin Clarke
16.   Declan Alder
17.   Aidan Carr
18.   James Colgan
19.   Luke Howard
20.   Brendan McArdle
21.   Darren O'Hagan
22.   Mark Doran
23.   Ambrose Rogers
24.   Ronan Sexton
25.   Conor Maginn
26.   Jason Brown
27.   Ronan Murtagh
28.   Gary McArdle
29.   Aidan Brannigan
30.   Conor Laverty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 27, 2010, 08:59:48 PM
Bridge and Burren drew 1.12 to 1.12.. our worst first half performance I have seen in years but a great fifteen minutes in the second half brought us back to lead by two and instead of closing the game out we hit wide after wide... Burren then came back brilliantly to lead by two going into injury but a point from Noel Sexton and a great Brendan Grant point equalised in virtually the last kick of the game.. Entertaining second half!!!

Burren have had plenty of chances to beat us these past few years but they seem to lack the killer punch to take them over the line!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 27, 2010, 09:11:47 PM
Saval beat shamrocks in newry 4-16 to 4-11
Exciting game but only cos both defences were so bad
Leo as always made it interesting!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 27, 2010, 09:26:09 PM
Dubh Driocht. I simply posed a question and thanks for your answer. Good luckk to the Ulster select team tomorrow against Castlewellan depleted due to a wedding. Classy. Im sure it will mean so much to the derry girls representing their native county on the morning of the game to once again bring the cup back to the promised land.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 27, 2010, 10:17:27 PM
Down ACFL Divison 3

Drumaness 1-07  Dundrum 1-16

Drumaness are relegated to Division 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 27, 2010, 10:20:23 PM
Division 3 results.
Darragh cross 2-11 Bosco 2-7,
Drumaness 1-7 Dundrum 1-16,
Carryduff 0-14 St. Johns 1-08,
Saul 1-03 Ardglass 1-10,
Bredagh 1-07 Glasdrumman 1-09,
Drumgath 0-13 Glenn 2-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 28, 2010, 11:59:12 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on August 27, 2010, 09:26:09 PM
Dubh Driocht. I simply posed a question and thanks for your answer. Good luckk to the Ulster select team tomorrow against Castlewellan depleted due to a wedding. Classy. Im sure it will mean so much to the derry girls representing their native county on the morning of the game to once again bring the cup back to the promised land.

May as well get the excuses in early
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on August 29, 2010, 07:59:08 AM
there will be a massive support for Down today in Croker,the like of which many of our supporters who are now well into their twenties have not seen before.Roar the team on at every oppertunity folks because this bunch of players deserve our support and intend to be around for the next three or four years-GOOD LUCK DOWN!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on August 29, 2010, 09:19:57 AM
I'll post this here as it's about Down, not Kildare.Earlier this morning I realised that this will be the first ever semi-final with Down in it that three great Gaels, who along with my da developed my passion for gaelic games, won't be at.
So Paddy, Eamon and Patsy, this is for you. An Dun abu.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 29, 2010, 09:34:43 AM
Word of warning for anyone who was on the sauce last night and is travelling through Newry this morning. Just got a text to say that the Cops are stopping and breathalysing in town and on the Dublin Road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on August 29, 2010, 10:35:10 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 29, 2010, 09:34:43 AM
Word of warning for anyone who was on the sauce last night and is travelling through Newry this morning. Just got a text to say that the Cops are stopping and breathalysing in town and on the Dublin Road.

That is quite sinister - I am totally against drink driving but that looks and sounds like deliberate profiling of one section of the community.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on August 29, 2010, 08:58:20 PM
Fantastic result and performance by the mourne men today.Totally delighted.Aprt from first 10mins thought down were the better team and fully deserved the win.Great all round team effort,in particular thought McKernan,King,Hughes and marty clarke had excellent games.Congrats to the players and management.Support in croke park today was top class,cnt wait 4 the buzz ahead of final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 29, 2010, 09:31:24 PM
Magic!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skeog on August 29, 2010, 09:46:51 PM
bet the sunday game to-night will try to discredit  down by focussing on the square ball by benny and the point  that was given as a wide
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 29, 2010, 09:55:40 PM
I'd imagine there will be no championship matches until after the final now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on August 29, 2010, 10:19:57 PM
Does anyone know how Ambrose is coming along, has he a chance for the final?

I thought Fitzpatrick was great today, but would still love a fit Ambrose playing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on August 29, 2010, 10:44:29 PM
RTE RADIO THIS EVENING CLAIMED THAT THE ALL IRELAND IS CORKS TO LOSE-A FEW WEEKS AGO IT WAS KERRY AND TODAY IT WAS KILDARE-WHERE ARE THEY NOW? WELL DONE TO COUNTY DOWN WE ARE IN THE FINAL BECAUSE WE DESERVE TO BE AND BY THE WAY WHEN WE ARE IN A FINAL WE DONT KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO LOSE!!-BRILL!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 29, 2010, 11:58:10 PM
correct me if i am wrong but... did i witness kevin anderson leave the subs bench today and run onto the field to celebrate?? surely i am wrong.. could someone please confirm that this man is not in the panel???   ??? ::)

Apart from that a superb all round display that must leave everyone in ireland thinking.. "Where did this Down team come from?? " Roll on the 19th!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 30, 2010, 12:19:14 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 29, 2010, 11:58:10 PM
correct me if i am wrong but... did i witness kevin anderson leave the subs bench today and run onto the field to celebrate?? surely i am wrong.. could someone please confirm that this man is not in the panel???   ??? ::)

Apart from that a superb all round display that must leave everyone in ireland thinking.. "Where did this Down team come from?? " Roll on the 19th!!

You are correct. And is there a particular reason you are rolling your eyes?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 30, 2010, 01:28:00 AM
Some shocking bias from the rte guys tonight on the sunday game, a full ten mins discussing how Kildare were robbed before even beginning to give the down lads any sort of credit of which they deserve plenty. This sickens me, it was the same v Kerry, excuses before giving credit to an ulster team! Poor Tohill was left to fight his own corner tonight to try and bring the real analysis of the game to the fore! Suppose we shouldn't expect any different but roll on the final and see if we get any credit for it if we manage to win!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 30, 2010, 01:39:21 AM
We deserved everything we got today!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 30, 2010, 01:40:58 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 30, 2010, 01:39:21 AM
We deserved everything we got today!
Absolutely 100%
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 30, 2010, 02:13:25 AM
Quote from: norabeag on August 30, 2010, 01:40:58 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 30, 2010, 01:39:21 AM
We deserved everything we got today!
Absolutely 100%

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Keepthefaith93 on August 30, 2010, 09:59:02 AM
Well done to Down yesterday, great team to watch. Good luck in the final, it should be a good weekends craic in Dublin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaffer on August 30, 2010, 10:11:48 AM
Delighted for Down today. Fantastic efort. Let's hope for an Ulster double victory on the 19th.
Loved that scene at the end with all the Down players packed into the goalmouth.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 30, 2010, 10:35:30 AM
PME getting a lot of abuse on the main thread.  I thought he was awful from a Down point of view, Kildare seemed to get so many handy frees.

Still pinching myself!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: smokeyjoe on August 30, 2010, 11:49:47 AM
A great win for down yesterday! I'm delighted for the boys!! Just looking at the game, moving forward! I don't think John Clarke had a great game yesterday and would be worried about how effective he might be with Sheilds marking him in the final! Also thought McCartan really struggled on Kavanagh when the ball came in! Luckily enough our midfield was able to stop that dangerous ball when the got to grips with the game!

On a more positive note how good was McKernan? I thought he excelled!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 30, 2010, 12:03:58 PM
Does anyone have a list of the full down panel? Beyond the 30 in the programme?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on August 31, 2010, 08:57:51 AM
What's the problem with Kevin Anderson being on the panel? I heard he raced up 1-04 in a challenge game last week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on August 31, 2010, 08:59:28 AM
just on the PME issue i thought he was brutal from a down point of view save the goal issue.

I hear our friend kinneavey is being lined up for the final - if he is we can kiss goodbye to Sam this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 31, 2010, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on August 31, 2010, 08:57:51 AM
What's the problem with Kevin Anderson being on the panel? I heard he raced up 1-04 in a challenge game last week

Has he played a club game all year? Has he even got a club at present?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on August 31, 2010, 09:51:59 AM
Don't know what way his current situation is but i think he played 3 or 4 games for annaclone anyway

i just don't understand why someone on here feels the need to publicise their shock that he was on the panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 31, 2010, 11:32:57 AM
Any word on club championship? Obviously postponed until after the 19th I'd presume! Also are there fixtures for this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 31, 2010, 11:52:43 AM
Quote from: supersub on August 31, 2010, 11:32:57 AM
Any word on club championship? Obviously postponed until after the 19th I'd presume! Also are there fixtures for this weekend?

We were told last night that there will be no matches (league or championship) until after the final. Basically a compromise as most of the teams with county players have went through the whole year without them, so at least they will have them for the last 3 or 4 matches.

Only re arranged games can be played inbetween times, ie games that should have been played by now but were postponed for one reason or another.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on August 31, 2010, 03:50:49 PM
Comhghairdeas An Dún!!!
I thought the performance on sunday was excellent and the panel in my eyes merit their place in the final.
Every one played extremely well in my eyes apart from JC. I dont mean to give the man a hard time, and take away from the great achievement of getting to the final but i just feel he was second to every ball and posed absolutely no threat to the Kildare backline!
I personally think when JC was playing his better football it was during the league, when the rest of the teams weren't up to championship pace, and now i think it was caught up with him.
Still hard to believe they are in the final but its great to see it!
Seen on the way home from Newry going towards Mayobridge on Monday some one has burnt "Up Down" in a field...everyones getting behind the mourne men!!
An Dún Abú!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: waitingforsam on August 31, 2010, 04:57:48 PM
Anderson is a very good player & doubt ihe would be anywhere near the panel f he wasnt worth his place. My understanding is that he was a late call up - fair play to the young lad.

Has had plenty of experience with UUJ over the past few years.

DOES ANYONE KNOW WILL AMBROSE BE FIT FOR FINAL?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on August 31, 2010, 05:02:09 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on August 31, 2010, 11:52:43 AM
Quote from: supersub on August 31, 2010, 11:32:57 AM
Any word on club championship? Obviously postponed until after the 19th I'd presume! Also are there fixtures for this weekend?

We were told last night that there will be no matches (league or championship) until after the final. Basically a compromise as most of the teams with county players have went through the whole year without them, so at least they will have them for the last 3 or 4 matches.

Only re arranged games can be played inbetween times, ie games that should have been played by now but were postponed for one reason or another.

i assume it is all Senior Championship games are not being played until after the final as we have been told our JFC 1/4 Final is taking this Sunday against Bright?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on August 31, 2010, 05:15:31 PM
I just got word from a high ranking official ( top table) that Cork and Down will wear alternative jerseys - Down yellow jerseys with red and black trim and Cork white jerseys with red trim.
Also let's get to work in painting the county red and black and those of influence get a few high profile unionists to come out in the red and black !



                                                the gael takes no prisoners !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on August 31, 2010, 06:52:01 PM
Quote from: thegael on August 31, 2010, 05:15:31 PM
I just got word from a high ranking official ( top table) that Cork and Down will wear alternative jerseys - Down yellow jerseys with red and black trim and Cork white jerseys with red trim.
Also let's get to work in painting the county red and black and those of influence get a few high profile unionists to come out in the red and black !



                                                the gael takes no prisoners !

Breaking news there the gael.

The same news that the BBC reported yesterday at 2.10pm.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8954697.stm

I would hazard a guess to say the BBC were a bit slow to get it up as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on August 31, 2010, 07:27:47 PM

Down have also received support from Sports Minister Nelson McCausland.

The DUP MLA, who attended his first Gaelic match last year, said he hoped the team was successful in its bid to bring home the Sam Maguire trophy, although he will not be watching the match himself.

He said: "I won't be watching the game because I don't watch sporting events on Sunday.

"I have said already in relation to the semi-final, if a team from Northern Ireland is playing against a team from the Irish Republic, then naturally I would hope that the team from Northern Ireland would win.

"I hope that the team from Northern Ireland are successful."



Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/play-it-again-sam-as-down-is-bitten-by-allireland-bug-14929343.html#ixzz0yD2nauVw


Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 31, 2010, 08:57:57 PM
Prediction League.

JFC

02/09/10   St Michaels  v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10   Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 31, 2010, 09:06:29 PM
Div one League
Castlewellan 0.13 Rostrevor 0.10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on August 31, 2010, 09:14:08 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 31, 2010, 08:57:57 PM
Prediction League.

JFC

02/09/10   St Michaels  v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10   Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on August 31, 2010, 09:18:11 PM
JFC

02/09/10   St Michaels  v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10  Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on August 31, 2010, 09:23:11 PM

02/09/10   St Michaels  v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10 Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 31, 2010, 09:30:03 PM
Div one League outstanding games
Round 2

Kilcoo  v Clonduff
Longstone v Liatroim
An Riocht v Rostrevor
Burren v Castlewellan
Mayobridge v Bryansford

Round 15;   
Rostrevor v Bryansford
Castlewellan v Liatroim
Burren v Clonduff
Longstone v An Riocht
Kilcoo v Mayobridge

If Castlewellan lose to Burren and also Liatroim lose to Longstone.
Then Castlewellan need to beat Liatroim by 2 or more points to send Liatroim down to 2nd Div automatically and Castlewellan into playoff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on August 31, 2010, 09:39:48 PM
Town player told me its curtains if they loose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 31, 2010, 09:49:43 PM

If Castlewellan lose to Burren and also Liatroim lose to Longstone.
Then Castlewellan need to beat Liatroim by 2 or more points to send Liatroim down to 2nd Div automatically and Castlewellan into playoff.
[/quote]
Posted by: down6061689194 
Insert Quote
Town player told me its curtains if they loose.

Nope. Town still have a good chance to avoid automatically relagation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 31, 2010, 09:55:41 PM
Prediction League.

JFC

02/09/10   St Michaels  v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10   Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on August 31, 2010, 10:00:40 PM
02/09/10  St Michaels  v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10 Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on August 31, 2010, 10:02:20 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 31, 2010, 08:57:57 PM
Prediction League.

JFC

02/09/10   St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10   Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 31, 2010, 10:07:42 PM
02/09/10   St Michaels   v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10   Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 31, 2010, 11:23:35 PM
02/09/10   St Michaels   v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10   Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 01, 2010, 12:01:57 AM
Quote from: down6061689194 on August 31, 2010, 09:23:11 PM

02/09/10   St Michaels  v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10 Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught

same !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 01, 2010, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 31, 2010, 11:23:35 PM
02/09/10   St Michaels   v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10   Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught

Same
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on September 01, 2010, 12:44:25 AM
Quote from: umpire on August 31, 2010, 09:55:41 PM
Prediction League.

JFC

02/09/10   St Michaels  v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10   Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught

Same predictions as umpire for me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on September 01, 2010, 01:14:31 AM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 01, 2010, 08:35:53 AM
02/09/10   St Michaels  v  Aughlisnafin
03/09/10 Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 01, 2010, 09:06:38 AM
Quote from: cokers on September 01, 2010, 01:14:31 AM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught

same
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 01, 2010, 09:25:54 AM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 01, 2010, 09:57:06 AM

St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 01, 2010, 10:20:56 AM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on September 01, 2010, 10:28:02 AM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on September 01, 2010, 10:47:43 AM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 01, 2010, 11:04:52 AM


02/09/10   St Michaels  v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10 Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
[/quote]

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 01, 2010, 11:14:05 AM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 01, 2010, 12:14:34 PM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on September 01, 2010, 12:22:08 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 01, 2010, 12:14:34 PM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught

Same
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on September 01, 2010, 01:10:12 PM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on September 01, 2010, 01:34:53 PM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Letter from Seán óg
Post by: 5 Sams on September 01, 2010, 01:40:21 PM



See below a letter from Seán óg regarding the planning for the AI Final....and no the draw has nothing to do with me....

A Chara

We are all delighted that Down have qualified to play Cork in the All-Ireland Senior Football Final at Croke Park on Sunday 19 September 2010. 

The Down GAA County Board greatly appreciates the support it has received from the clubs of Down and indeed the entire GAA family. 

You will appreciate that Down's participation in the All Ireland Final was only secured on Sunday last and I am communicating to you on behalf of the County Board, at the earliest possible opportunity to outline planning arrangements which have been put in place for Down's participation in the All Ireland Senior Football Final at Croke Park on Sunday 19 September 2010. 

Down's allocation for All Ireland tickets has almost been finalized and following the Down County Board meeting on tomorrow, Thursday, outline guidelines will be agreed upon with respect to distribution of tickets and these will be communicated to the clubs within the next few days. 

On Monday night, 6 September 2010, there will be an Open Night for supporters in Pairc Esler at 7pm.  This is an evening which will allow fans to mingle with players and get autographs etc.  We urge you to encourage your juvenile members to avail of this opportunity to meet their heroes.

For your information a press afternoon is also being organized for the media on Wednesday 8 September 2010. 

We have already received very positive feedback about the very imaginative and innovative decorative bunting and flags etc. up throughout the County and we will continue to urge clubs and schools to promote the County colours of red and black ahead of the 19th September.

As you will appreciate, much finance is required in preparing the Down team for the All-Ireland Final.  The County Board is conscious that in the current environment there are significant finance resource pressures on clubs and indeed the local business community.  For this reason after much deliberation the Senior Executive Officers of the County Board in conjunction with the Core Finance Team under the Chairmanship of Feargal McCormack have decided given the short period of time between Down qualifying for the All Ireland Final and the game itself on Sunday 19 September 2010 that official Down GAA fundraising should be channeled through three core income streams, as detailed below:

(1)   Patrons exercising an option from the Down County Board to purchase tickets for the All Ireland Final will be requested to make a contribution to the Down Training Fund via exercising their option to pay for tickets priced in Euro in the equivalent Sterling figure, for example if a match ticket was €70 then the ticket would be offered at £70 and along with the ticket offered, the person exercising that option to pay for the ticket in Sterling, would be entered into a "5 Sams' Draw" for five £1,000 prizes.

(2)   Down GAA Golf Classic which will be held at Spa Golf Club on Sunday 12 September 2010 and which will be organized by a Down GAA Core Finance Team All Ireland Final Focus Group comprising representatives of the Down County Board, Down Training Fund, Club Down, the Down Supporters Club and Friends of Down.  For further details contact James McGrath, tel: 07717203269.

(3)   A Dine with Down Stars at a Pre-match Breakfast Forum on Wednesday 15 September at the Canal Court Hotel, Newry organized by same group as above.  A price of £40 per place or £400 per table will be offered for those wishing to attend the Breakfast event.  For further details contact Feargal McCormack: 028 302 61010.

The rationale for choosing the above three core fundraising income streams, was that it was believed that it would avoid placing any emphasis on clubs in terms of levy or alternatively asking clubs to sell tickets etc. to help raise funds for the County Training Fund but rather would allow clubs to continue to concentrate on their own activities.  Furthermore the burden of fundraising is being shared by many, and we will ask clubs to become champions for these initiatives.

Naturally the County Board would welcome any donations to the Down Training Fund that clubs or indeed any individual would wish to make. 

Note, official Down GAA County Board receipts will be issued in respect of all contributions received. 

You should also be aware that the County Board has entered into Royalty / Licence agreements with providers of official GAA merchandise and also O'Neill's replica jerseys. 

Post the All Ireland Final there will be a Banquet on Sunday evening 19 September 2010 at the City West Hotel in Dublin.  The City West was chosen in order to facilitate as large as attendance as possible at the banquet and meet national media requirements.  With this in mind banquet tickets have also been priced at £60 per head.  An order form for banquet tickets will shortly be available to be downloaded from the Down GAA website and will also be forwarded to club secretaries in due course.  Martina Casement at the County office: 028 4377 0880 will be co-ordinating the tickets for the post match banquet. 

Plans are already at an advanced stage for the home coming of the team and these will be communicated in due course and appropriate health & safety procedures will be put in place, which will involve co-operation with a number of clubs.  A working party under the leadership of Dan McCartan, Saval is co-ordinating the home coming. 

In conclusion, on behalf of the County Board I would once again like to thank all the clubs for the warmth of their support in respect of the Down campaign, and to assure you, that we in Down GAA are in this all together.  It is our intention to ensure that no stone is left unturned in terms of assisting the Management and players make history on 19 September 2010.

An Dun Abu

Is Mise Le Meas



Seán Óg McAteer
Runai
Chontae An Dúin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on September 01, 2010, 02:20:36 PM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on September 01, 2010, 02:47:25 PM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Letter from Seán óg
Post by: maldini on September 01, 2010, 03:38:08 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 01, 2010, 01:40:21 PM



See below a letter from Seán óg regarding the planning for the AI Final....and no the draw has nothing to do with me....


(1)   Patrons exercising an option from the Down County Board to purchase tickets for the All Ireland Final will be requested to make a contribution to the Down Training Fund via exercising their option to pay for tickets priced in Euro in the equivalent Sterling figure, for example if a match ticket was €70 then the ticket would be offered at £70 and along with the ticket offered, the person exercising that option to pay for the ticket in Sterling, would be entered into a "5 Sams' Draw" for five £1,000 prizes.

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As if final tickets aren't dear enough the CB are adding £12 on per ticket to enter a draw for the training fund if u pay in sterling  ???


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 01, 2010, 03:52:26 PM
Quote from: maldini on September 01, 2010, 03:38:08 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 01, 2010, 01:40:21 PM



See below a letter from Seán óg regarding the planning for the AI Final....and no the draw has nothing to do with me....


(1)   Patrons exercising an option from the Down County Board to purchase tickets for the All Ireland Final will be requested to make a contribution to the Down Training Fund via exercising their option to pay for tickets priced in Euro in the equivalent Sterling figure, for example if a match ticket was €70 then the ticket would be offered at £70 and along with the ticket offered, the person exercising that option to pay for the ticket in Sterling, would be entered into a “5 Sams’ Draw” for five £1,000 prizes.

[/i][/b]

As if final tickets aren't dear enough the CB are adding £12 on per ticket to enter a draw for the training fund if u pay in sterling  ???



Quote from: maldini on September 01, 2010, 03:38:08 PM

Seems like a good idea. Support the team and get entered into a draw for £1000 prizes.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 01, 2010, 04:00:23 PM
Tickets for previous rounds usually had £1 added on to support the training fund and enter the draw
£12's pretty steep
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on September 01, 2010, 04:05:36 PM
   St Michaels  v Aughlisnafin
   Drumaness v Mitchels
   Bright v St Pauls
   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on September 01, 2010, 04:13:51 PM
St Michael's v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Paul's
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on September 01, 2010, 05:47:59 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on September 01, 2010, 09:06:38 AM
Quote from: cokers on September 01, 2010, 01:14:31 AM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught

same
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on September 01, 2010, 06:21:20 PM
Quote from: maldini on September 01, 2010, 11:14:05 AM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
same
Title: Bredagh Talks Sam and Down
Post by: bredaghgael on September 01, 2010, 07:00:28 PM
  Bredagh Talks Sam is back for 2010! (Liam has been dropped for this year only).

This years event will take place in the Wellington Park Hotel, Belfast, on Thursday 16th Sept.

Confirmed guests: 

Mickey Harte - Manager of Tyrone when they won all 3 of their All Irelands

Mick O'Dwyer - 4 All Irelands as a player, 8 as a manager.

Joe Brolly -  RTE TV pundit, 2 time All Star & All Ireland winner with Derry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKYycF8xb_c

We are still in negotiations with a number of other guests and their agents/Wags.  Names will be released in the next couple of days.

MC for the evening will be Jerome Quinn (well know GAA journalist).

Admission by Ticket only - £10 which gets you into a draw for All Ireland Final tickets.

Doors open at 8.15pm with a 8.30pm start - get there early as numbers are limited due to fire regulations, the common agricultural policy or some such thing.

The event is sponsored by First Trust Bank
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 01, 2010, 07:08:54 PM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on September 01, 2010, 07:49:37 PM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 01, 2010, 08:14:57 PM

St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 01, 2010, 08:43:01 PM
It's a disgrace- what families who have followed Down all year can afford an extra £12 per ticket? The county board will make plenty from the final as it is with merchandising etc- it really is the Grab All Association if that get passed at the county board meeting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: batman on September 01, 2010, 08:43:17 PM
   St Michaels   v Aughlisnafin
  Drumaness v Mitchels
   Bright v St Pauls
   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 01, 2010, 08:44:12 PM
In fairness lads the County Board are requesting people to pay the extra 12 quid to avail of the draw. It doesnt seem compulsory from my reading of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MCMLX on September 01, 2010, 09:00:14 PM
I think its a good idea. The money is needed and the lads deserve bit of backing. Its not a massive amount of money and its not like we are in this position very often. I have no problem with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 01, 2010, 09:06:25 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 01, 2010, 09:00:14 PM
I think its a good idea. The money is needed and the lads deserve bit of backing. Its not a massive amount of money and its not like we are in this position very often. I have no problem with it.

I agree. It seems no matter what is done there's always somebody complaining.

Preparing a team properly to win an All Ireland isn't cheap. We don't get that many opportunities like this so let's do the thing as well as we can. If Down win; it will be well worth the extra few quid. If they don't well we can't say we didn't give it our best shot.
Title: Down Breakfast
Post by: amallon on September 01, 2010, 09:37:19 PM
You may have heard about this:
(http://www.sys-sol.net/downbreakfast.jpg)

You can download the form from here in .pdf format
http://www.sys-sol.net/Down_Breakfast.pdf (http://www.sys-sol.net/Down_Breakfast.pdf)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on September 01, 2010, 09:43:01 PM
Anybody got a space in a 4ball for the Golf Classic?

I'm a member of Spa so could be an asset ;)

They are sold out already
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 01, 2010, 09:43:17 PM
I don't care what you say- raising an extra £145,000 out of the pockets of genuine fans who have followed the team through thick and thin is a slap in the face. It wasn't needed in 91 or 94- I'm pretty sure the great Kerry team of the past decade didn't ask if of their supporters but our board only see the £ signs. Many genuine supporters are struggling for work never mind the fortunes they have already spent kitting out their kids in strips and getting them flags etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 01, 2010, 09:51:25 PM
A Mallon - are you trying to wind Long Ball up? Breakfast with the team and a golf classic to raise funds! Think of the "genuine fans"!

Long Ball - if you don't want to pay the extra few quid don't pay it. The County Board aren't going to send anyone round to your house to beat it out of you. Relax and enjoy the next couple of weeks build up to the match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on September 01, 2010, 10:28:41 PM
St Michaels  v Aughlisnafin
   Drumaness v Mitchels
   Bright v St Pauls
   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on September 01, 2010, 10:50:41 PM

   St Michaels   v Aughlisnafin
  Drumaness v Mitchels
   Bright v St Pauls
   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MCMLX on September 01, 2010, 10:54:23 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 01, 2010, 09:06:25 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 01, 2010, 09:00:14 PM
I think its a good idea. The money is needed and the lads deserve bit of backing. Its not a massive amount of money and its not like we are in this position very often. I have no problem with it.

I agree. It seems no matter what is done there's always somebody complaining.

Preparing a team properly to win an All Ireland isn't cheap. We don't get that many opportunities like this so let's do the thing as well as we can. If Down win; it will be well worth the extra few quid. If they don't well we can't say we didn't give it our best shot.

Money shouldnt really be an issue. Down fans have been coming out of the woodwork from the quarter final on, its not as if most of them have been up and down the country over the last number of years following Down through thick and thin. Money shouldnt come in to it at this stage. I will give what I can afford, I  hope everyone does likewise. We have waited 16 years for this and watched from a distance while Armagh and Tyrone fans complained about the price of pints in Dublin. Its our turn now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on September 01, 2010, 10:59:24 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 01, 2010, 09:43:17 PM
I don't care what you say- raising an extra £145,000 out of the pockets of genuine fans who have followed the team through thick and thin is a slap in the face. It wasn't needed in 91 or 94- I'm pretty sure the great Kerry team of the past decade didn't ask if of their supporters but our board only see the £ signs. Many genuine supporters are struggling for work never mind the fortunes they have already spent kitting out their kids in strips and getting them flags etc.

If your a genuine fan, as you claim to be LB then you will not begrudge a small contribution towards ensuring this group of players get the best of everything to help them in their quest for an All Ireland Senior title, these lads deserve the best & the money has to be got from somewhere, you should maybe go & get your ticket from outside the County if it causes you so much pain to pay the £12 extra.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 01, 2010, 11:01:24 PM


   St Michaels   v Aughlisnafin
  Drumaness v Mitchels
   Bright v St Pauls
   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on September 01, 2010, 11:47:46 PM
JFC

St Michaels  v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on September 02, 2010, 12:06:19 AM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 02, 2010, 07:58:41 AM
Reminder.
The quarter finals of Junior Football start tonight at 7pm

Only 40 entries of 67 first round entries have enter so far.

Prediction League.

JFC

02/09/10   St Michaels  v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10   Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on September 02, 2010, 09:48:04 AM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 02, 2010, 10:33:15 AM

02/09/10   St Michaels  v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10   Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10  Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on September 02, 2010, 01:08:57 PM
02/09/10   St Michaels  v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10   Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Donegal Danny on September 02, 2010, 01:38:44 PM
St Eunan's G.A.A. club from Letterkenny are currently holding their annual fundraising draw for 2 All Ireland tickets and hotel accommodation in Dublin. Tickets costs 10 euro. If they went up to Co Down someday selling how would they get on? Where could they set up to sell to loads of Down supporters in one place? What about ASDA OR The Quay's shopping center in Newry. Would it be better to reduce the tickets to £5? Any comments welcome. Thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on September 02, 2010, 02:13:14 PM
02/09/10   St Michaels  v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10   Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on September 02, 2010, 04:03:52 PM
You'd get mugged Donegal Danny, trying to dangle those in front of us and make a few pound, I'm only speaking for myself but that sort of craic sickens me to be honest
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 02, 2010, 05:43:30 PM
JFC

02/09/10   ST MICHAEL'S  v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10   Drumaness v MITCHEL'S
05/09/10   BRIGHT v St Paul's
05/09/10   St John Bosco v TECONNAUGHT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: twice is nice on September 02, 2010, 06:57:29 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 01, 2010, 10:59:24 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 01, 2010, 09:43:17 PM
I don't care what you say- raising an extra £145,000 out of the pockets of genuine fans who have followed the team through thick and thin is a slap in the face. It wasn't needed in 91 or 94- I'm pretty sure the great Kerry team of the past decade didn't ask if of their supporters but our board only see the £ signs. Many genuine supporters are struggling for work never mind the fortunes they have already spent kitting out their kids in strips and getting them flags etc.

If your a genuine fan, as you claim to be LB then you will not begrudge a small contribution towards ensuring this group of players get the best of everything to help them in their quest for an All Ireland Senior title, these lads deserve the best & the money has to be got from somewhere, you should maybe go & get your ticket from outside the County if it causes you so much pain to pay the £12 extra.
paying a bit extra on top of face value for this great bunch of lads is 1 thing, but the thing that annoys me is looking back on the county boards behaviour in previous years and the famous carry on with ross naming wrong team and numbers hence county getting fined!!!! perhaps this good oppurtunity for the board to recover it now?? they were shambles then and has much changed???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on September 02, 2010, 07:05:07 PM
JFC

02/09/10   ST MICHAEL'S  v Aughlisnafin
03/09/10   Drumaness v MITCHEL'S
05/09/10   BRIGHT v St Paul's
05/09/10   St John Bosco v TECONNAUGHT

sorry a bit late
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 02, 2010, 07:31:05 PM
Quote from: twice is nice on September 02, 2010, 06:57:29 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 01, 2010, 10:59:24 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 01, 2010, 09:43:17 PM
I don't care what you say- raising an extra £145,000 out of the pockets of genuine fans who have followed the team through thick and thin is a slap in the face. It wasn't needed in 91 or 94- I'm pretty sure the great Kerry team of the past decade didn't ask if of their supporters but our board only see the £ signs. Many genuine supporters are struggling for work never mind the fortunes they have already spent kitting out their kids in strips and getting them flags etc.

If your a genuine fan, as you claim to be LB then you will not begrudge a small contribution towards ensuring this group of players get the best of everything to help them in their quest for an All Ireland Senior title, these lads deserve the best & the money has to be got from somewhere, you should maybe go & get your ticket from outside the County if it causes you so much pain to pay the £12 extra.
paying a bit extra on top of face value for this great bunch of lads is 1 thing, but the thing that annoys me is looking back on the county boards behaviour in previous years and the famous carry on with ross naming wrong team and numbers hence county getting fined!!!! perhaps this good oppurtunity for the board to recover it now?? they were shambles then and has much changed???

We are in an All Ireland Final and you are complaining about the past actions of a different management team, and using those actions as a reason not to donate to the current team+management. As has been said its voluntary , you are not being forced to do anything. A bit of perspective wouldn't go a miss!

Quote from: Banana Man on September 02, 2010, 04:03:52 PM
You'd get mugged Donegal Danny, trying to dangle those in front of us and make a few pound, I'm only speaking for myself but that sort of craic sickens me to be honest

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 02, 2010, 08:01:22 PM
St Michaels v Aughlisnafin
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught

That ones late too umpire hope they are accepted. sorry thought games started tomorrow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on September 02, 2010, 08:45:13 PM
Fin beat St Michaels 1-15 to 0-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on September 02, 2010, 08:56:35 PM
is this score correct,did the Finn upset the odds and beat St.Michaels in the Junior tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on September 02, 2010, 09:03:43 PM
Quote from: 13aside on September 02, 2010, 08:56:35 PM
is this score correct,did the Finn upset the odds and beat St.Michaels in the Junior tonight?

100%, heard from the horses mouth.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 02, 2010, 09:16:34 PM
Delighted my prediction was wrong - hope the Finn go on and win it,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 02, 2010, 09:36:40 PM
Final two panelist for Bredagh Talks Sam:

Sean O'Neill and Paddy Heaney, great nights entertainment in store so get in early
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 02, 2010, 11:41:57 PM
Prediction league
Only 1 out of 47 entries  got Aughlisnafin, that was 'An Cloch Scoilte'

There is still time for the other 20 to enter for remaining 3 JFC

03/09/10   Drumaness v Mitchels
05/09/10   Bright v St Pauls
05/09/10   St John Bosco v Teconnaught.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 02, 2010, 11:46:59 PM
If the Finn get the winners of the St Pauls/Bright game in the semis they are in with a great chance of getting to the Final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 02, 2010, 11:54:15 PM
Delighted to hear about our neighbours at the Finn, especially with fellow Dundrum man Philly Mc Gratten on the management. Well done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on September 03, 2010, 01:52:38 AM
Fair play to the finn. happy to see my prediction proved wrong. would st.micks not have been strong contenders for the whole thing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on September 03, 2010, 02:41:47 AM
This could be a History making year for the County and the Finn, great result, they deserve it
Title: JFC Predictions
Post by: No1 on September 03, 2010, 08:10:00 AM
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 03, 2010, 08:37:18 AM
Well done the Fin! Did anyone tip them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on September 03, 2010, 10:10:07 AM
02/09/10   ST MICHAEL'S  v  FINN
03/09/10   DRUMANESS v MITCHEL'S
05/09/10   BRIGHT v St PAULS
05/09/10   BOSCO v TECONNAUGHT

Bit late with my predictions but have to be honest and say i would have went for St Michaels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 03, 2010, 11:52:16 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 03, 2010, 08:37:18 AM
Well done the Fin! Did anyone tip them?
An Cloch Scoitle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 03, 2010, 12:44:36 PM
Any word on the County Board meeting last night re tickets etc?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 03, 2010, 01:16:00 PM
Drumaness v Mitchels
Bright v St Pauls
St John Bosco v Teconnaught

Sorry i missed last nights game but I never would have predicted a win for the Fin anyway. They're just like Down this year coming from nowhere for a run in the championship.

Fairplay to them for sticking at it through the bad years!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 03, 2010, 02:01:47 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 03, 2010, 12:44:36 PM
Any word on the County Board meeting last night re tickets etc?


I was going to ask the same question myself...still no news!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on September 03, 2010, 02:49:22 PM
i heard each club was going to get 200 tickets but nothing confirmed as of yet....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 03, 2010, 03:22:33 PM
Good idea by the current county board to restrict the fundraising to the tickets, golf and breakfast.

Beware of others jumping on the bandwagon.

Was speaking to a supporter last night who reckoned that after the wait from 94 you need to divide £70 by 16 and realise what an opportunity this is - equivalent to saving less than a fiver a year for this oportunity. I wonder how many of  those crying about it were out shivering in the cold through the McKenna Cup games? I am unemployed but will find the £140 I need somewhere. A reason to be cheerful in these tough times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 03, 2010, 03:23:31 PM
Sounds about right for the initial allocation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 03, 2010, 04:51:11 PM
watching the highlights of the game last night and it showed honours list of James Mc Cartan stating he had won two Hogans and one Mc Rory. Is this an error or did it really happen?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on September 03, 2010, 06:10:46 PM
Sure hows that possible?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 03, 2010, 08:01:41 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 03, 2010, 04:51:11 PM
watching the highlights of the game last night and it showed honours list of James Mc Cartan stating he had won two Hogans and one Mc Rory. Is this an error or did it really happen?

I think the winners of the previous years Rannafast entered the Hogan so you'd be playing Hogan as a lower 6th(17yrs same as southern school leavers), James won the Rannafast twice out of 3rd/4th/5th year and won two Hogans as a result then picked up a MacRory on the way(as St Colmans do  :P ). I think Cathal Murray won a Hogan but never a MacRory. Thats my understanding of it but im open to correction.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 03, 2010, 08:25:06 PM
Bredagh beaten by Ardglas tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 03, 2010, 09:50:19 PM
Div 3 Result from tonight.
Carryduff 1-12 - 0-17 Darragh Cross
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 03, 2010, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 03, 2010, 08:25:06 PM
Bredagh beaten by Ardglas tonight
How many in it SB? What has happened Bredagh? I would have predicted before a ball was thrown in for them to be in around the promotion play off places mix
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on September 03, 2010, 10:15:12 PM
lost by 6 i think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 03, 2010, 11:37:20 PM
Any result from u14 A hurling final Ballygalget v Bredagh ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 03, 2010, 11:42:33 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 03, 2010, 11:37:20 PM
Any result from u14 A hurling final Ballygalget v Bredagh ?

Bredagh won a bucketfull
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 04, 2010, 12:03:27 AM
An A hurliing title leaving the Ards at any level is a rare achievement, and has not happened for many years/decades, so congratulations to Bredagh u14s. Carryduff u16s also came very close last year, losing narrowly in the final, so there would appear to be a shift in the under-age balance under way. If a minor championship should follow over the next 2/3 years, it is reasonable to expect that Down may have five senior A hurling clubs by around 2015.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on September 04, 2010, 12:31:23 AM
any word who won between drumaness and mitchels?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 04, 2010, 11:26:37 AM
Quote from: st pauls mcgrath on September 04, 2010, 12:31:23 AM
any word who won between drumaness and mitchels?
the above game is changed to Sunday evening in Newcastle  at 7.30 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 04, 2010, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 03, 2010, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 03, 2010, 08:25:06 PM
Bredagh beaten by Ardglas tonight
How many in it SB? What has happened Bredagh? I would have predicted before a ball was thrown in for them to be in around the promotion play off places mix

hard to put your finger on it as believe me we have tried, its a young team and we need to learn to close games out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 04, 2010, 02:30:53 PM
Xxx
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kingscourt Stars on September 04, 2010, 02:33:42 PM
Lads,

Roll up, roll up!! The Infamous Kingscourt Stars All-Ireland Football Final Ticket Draw has just over a week left to run.

For the first time ever, tickets are available online via the website - www.kingscourtstars.ie . First prize is Two Tickets to the All-Ireland Senior Football Final along with overnight accommodation in the Skylon Hotel and €200 spending money. There are further cash prizes all the way down to 8th place.

All told, a prize well worth winning so why not try your luck and simultaneously help support a harmless wee GAA club just trying to get by in these tough aul' times.......

To enter just click on www.kingscourtstars.ie and try your luck.... It only costs a €10, sure that's little over £8 to ye guys!!

Regards

Kingscourt Stars GAA

P.S. The Club would like to point out that no GAA fans were harmed in the making of this draw and any negative comments in relation to the draw and be logged on www.littletobedoing.ie   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on September 04, 2010, 03:11:59 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 04, 2010, 11:26:37 AM
Quote from: st pauls mcgrath on September 04, 2010, 12:31:23 AM
any word who won between drumaness and mitchels?
the above game is changed to Sunday evening in Newcastle  at 7.30

Wouldnt need to be.

Dness 0-13 Mitchels 0-9

I think. It was drumaness by 3 or 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 04, 2010, 04:56:41 PM
Down Minor simi finals

Kilcoo (Holders) 4-9 Shamrocks 0-9

Superb display from the magpies to reach back to back finals where Darragh OHanlon, Ryan Johnston and the brilliant Jerome Johnston, who kicked 1-6 led us superbly. On a sour note we lost midfielder James McClean to a straight red which was rather harsh after he took a number of blows from the Shamrocks players.

I hear Rostrevor qualifed for the decider on Friday week with a 2 point success over Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trap 2 on September 04, 2010, 06:02:48 PM
anybody looking 2 tickets for the all ireland hurling final 2moro in a possible exchange for 2 all ireland football final tickets!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 04, 2010, 07:36:21 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 04, 2010, 12:03:27 AM
An A hurliing title leaving the Ards at any level is a rare achievement, and has not happened for many years/decades, so congratulations to Bredagh u14s. Carryduff u16s also came very close last year, losing narrowly in the final, so there would appear to be a shift in the under-age balance under way. If a minor championship should follow over the next 2/3 years, it is reasonable to expect that Down may have five senior A hurling clubs by around 2015.

the final score was 7-15 to 0-7, so this team has the u 14 Feile and the A championship, lets hope we can do it again in the near future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaffer on September 04, 2010, 07:53:20 PM
Want to say to any Down supporters who are eager to get a ticket for the Final and are at this stage willing to fork out over the odds prices .
We went through this 3 times this decade and almost everyone who who really wanted a ticket got one in the end. Many's a one could tell you of having nothing on the Friday and getting sorted on the Saturday or Sunday in Dublin. On each of the 3 All Ireland Finals I  could have bought tickets on the day of the match in Dublin.
I heard yesterday of one Down supporter who has already agreed to pay £300 for 2 tickets from someone in Derry who knows they have them coming to him through his club or something . Its a shame that some people would take advantage of the situaton.What I am saying is don't panic , don't allow yourself to be ripped off, and the chances are if you want a ticket you will get one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 04, 2010, 09:06:54 PM
thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wavesofTORRES on September 04, 2010, 09:51:50 PM
Thank god Gaffer you mentioned this as one who has more recent experience of AI Finals than us in Down. People shouldnt panic and I know thats easier said than done but there should be sufficient ticket to go round.
I dont have any as yet and the chances of getting one through the club is slight with a big membership and a limited supply coming. But dont forget the capacity of Croker is greater than in 94 and we had the Dubs to compete with then for tickets. I had no ticket along with2 mates at 11am in Dublin. We all got sorted at face value before the minor game and ive no reason to believe we cant do this time if needs be.Dont panic and dont lose friends
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on September 05, 2010, 02:53:45 AM
All-Ireland SFC semi-final, 1994: Down 1-13 Cork 1-11

Does anybody know where I can access the match report from this game on the internet?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 05, 2010, 02:00:14 PM
JFC Quarter Final

Bosco 1-09  Teconnaught 0-06

Bosco were by far the better side. They pressured Teconnaught into making a lot of mistakes over the course of the game. It was 0-06 to 0-04 in Bosco's favour at halftime.

Thats Bosco, Aughlisnafin and Drumaness in the last four with either St Pauls or Bright to join them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stpauls on September 05, 2010, 03:30:54 PM
Bright will be the last team into the Semis after beating us 1-15 to 0-07. it was all square at 0-06 a piece at half time but we just didn't come out in the second half and Bright just ran away with it!! Gutted!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 05, 2010, 03:41:28 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 05, 2010, 03:30:54 PM
Bright will be the last team into the Semis after beating us 1-15 to 0-07. it was all square at 0-06 a piece at half time but we just didn't come out in the second half and Bright just ran away with it!! Gutted!
Didn't see that coming, especially an 11 point margin.
Fancy Bosco for the junior, missing quite a number of key players and still easily brushed aside teconnaught.
Shows the difference between div 3 and 4 I suppose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 05, 2010, 04:47:54 PM
Prediction League after JFC Quarter finals games.

1   17   Bearly on loose
2   16   ApresMatch
3   16   conormac
4   15   5 Sams
5   15   behind the wire
6   15   CHB1
7   15   Johnnie99
8   15   Maldini
9   14   An Cloch Scoilte
10   14   batman
11   14   Brick Tamlin
12   14   cokers
13   14   Dubh driocht
14   14   general
15   14   Green + Gold
16   14   John Martin
17   14   Mid Down Gael
18   14   Niall Quinn
19   14   No hoper
20   14   No1
21   14   T O Hare
22   14   True Blue
23   14   westdowngael
24   13   BRIDGE LAD
25   13   DaUmpire
26   13   DownFanatic
27   13   dundrumite
28   13   knockitdown
29   13   mournerambler
30   13   Out In Front
31   13   razor
32   13   souljaboy
33   13   Square Ball
34   13   supersub
35   13   TheClutch
36   13   umpire
37   13   When We Win
38   12   bredaghgael88
39   12   dodgy umpire
40   12   down6061689194
41   12   Idontbelieveit
42   12   Marsbarkid
43   12   meatsy86
44   12   Mourne Rover
45   12   thewobbler
46   12   western exile
47   11   amallon
48   11   angermanagement
49   11   Bacon
50   11   Cloneman
51   11   dunroma
52   11   eyeswideopen
53   11   fitzroyalty
54   11   goldenyears
55   11   Hedgehunter
56   11   Lecale2
57   11   Long Ball
58   11   Minus15
59   11   NedFlanders
60   11   RGU08
61   11   Superstar
62   11   Trap 2
63   10   catch the high ball
64   10   DaddyLongLegs
65   10   Maiden1
66   10   off the laces
67   9   sabhalphadrig
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 05, 2010, 06:31:05 PM
I'll be hard presed to retain my title!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on September 05, 2010, 08:29:08 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 05, 2010, 03:30:54 PM
Bright will be the last team into the Semis after beating us 1-15 to 0-07. it was all square at 0-06 a piece at half time but we just didn't come out in the second half and Bright just ran away with it!! Gutted!
That is me out of contention in prediction comp!  I got 0 from 4 on that round   :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on September 05, 2010, 08:58:17 PM
Quote from: Whitehair on September 03, 2010, 08:01:41 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 03, 2010, 04:51:11 PM
watching the highlights of the game last night and it showed honours list of James Mc Cartan stating he had won two Hogans and one Mc Rory. Is this an error or did it really happen?

I think the winners of the previous years Rannafast entered the Hogan so you'd be playing Hogan as a lower 6th(17yrs same as southern school leavers), James won the Rannafast twice out of 3rd/4th/5th year and won two Hogans as a result then picked up a MacRory on the way(as St Colmans do  :P ). I think Cathal Murray won a Hogan but never a MacRory. Thats my understanding of it but im open to correction.

ur 100% correct WhiteHair
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 05, 2010, 09:42:36 PM
Quote from: western exile on September 05, 2010, 08:29:08 PM
Quote from: stpauls on September 05, 2010, 03:30:54 PM
Bright will be the last team into the Semis after beating us 1-15 to 0-07. it was all square at 0-06 a piece at half time but we just didn't come out in the second half and Bright just ran away with it!! Gutted!
That is me out of contention in prediction comp!  I got 0 from 4 on that round   :'(

And same for me, got 0 from 4 too.

Bearly on loose, 5 Sams, behind the wire, Mid Down Gaels  and John Martin are best with 3 from 4 in that round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 06, 2010, 12:08:06 PM
Fans open night has been changed from Pairc Esler to the new Abbey School tonight due to the bad weather.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 06, 2010, 12:44:51 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on September 05, 2010, 02:53:45 AM
All-Ireland SFC semi-final, 1994: Down 1-13 Cork 1-11

Does anybody know where I can access the match report from this game on the internet?

Thanks.
Is this information any help to you. got this from 1994 semi final and 1994 final programmes

1994 All Ireland Senior Football Semi-final

Down 1.13 Cork 0.11

Down
Niall Collins
Michael Magill, Brian Burns, Paul Higgins;
Eamon Burns, Barry Breen, DJ Kane;
Gregory McCartan 0.2, Conor Deegan 0.1;
Ross Carr 0.1, Greg Blaney, James McCartan;
Mickey Linden 0.1, Aidan Farrell 1.2, Gary Mason 0.6;

Cork

John Kerins
Mark Farr, Mark O'Connor, Niall Cahalane;
Brian Corocran, Stephen O'Brien, Tony Davis;
Shea Fahy, Danny Culloty;
Stephen Calnan, Larry Tompkins, Don Davis;
Colin Corkery, Joe Kavanagh, Paul McGrath.

Mickey Linden was the RTE's Man of Match.

Don't have Cork scorers.
Larry Tompkins and Shea Fahy moved from Kildare to Cork in a controversary affair
Colin Corkery a brilliant free kicker. Joe Kavanagh a great goal getter.
Early in the game, a clash of heads between Tony Davis and another Cork player, Tony (RTE pundit) played on with head bandaged for the rest of game.

In minor game, Kerry played Galway, Notable players, Michael Donnellan and Padriag Joyce of Galway and Mike Frank Russell of Kerry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 06, 2010, 01:12:22 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on September 04, 2010, 07:53:20 PM
Want to say to any Down supporters who are eager to get a ticket for the Final and are at this stage willing to fork out over the odds prices .
We went through this 3 times this decade and almost everyone who who really wanted a ticket got one in the end. Many's a one could tell you of having nothing on the Friday and getting sorted on the Saturday or Sunday in Dublin. On each of the 3 All Ireland Finals I  could have bought tickets on the day of the match in Dublin.
I heard yesterday of one Down supporter who has already agreed to pay £300 for 2 tickets from someone in Derry who knows they have them coming to him through his club or something . Its a shame that some people would take advantage of the situaton.What I am saying is don't panic , don't allow yourself to be ripped off, and the chances are if you want a ticket you will get one


i had 2 tickets for the 2008 final, the day before i sold them on face value to a Tyrone lady who had been to all games for face value. I would have loved to be at that game, but i knew someone who had more need for them. I hope my good deed will result in me being ok for tickets this time around.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 06, 2010, 01:15:28 PM
Quote from: amallon on September 06, 2010, 12:08:06 PM
Fans open night has been changed from Pairc Esler to the new Abbey School tonight due to the bad weather.

Really? surely it would have been better for the fans to huddle in under the stand in the marshes. Being a Violet Hill lad I dont even know where the Abbey is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MCMLX on September 06, 2010, 02:20:57 PM
Would anyone have a 1987 All Ireland final programme? If so could they list the Down minor team including subs. Trying to settle a bet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 06, 2010, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 06, 2010, 02:20:57 PM
Would anyone have a 1987 All Ireland final programme? If so could they list the Down minor team including subs. Trying to settle a bet.

Dont have the subs.
1987: D. Hawkins, N. Caulfield, L. Duggan, M. McGivern, M. Quinn, C. Deegan, C. Mason, B. McCarten, P. Hannaway, C. Murray, R. Haughean, G. Breen, R. Fitzpatrick, T. Fagan, J. McCartan.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 06, 2010, 04:10:28 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 06, 2010, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 06, 2010, 02:20:57 PM
Would anyone have a 1987 All Ireland final programme? If so could they list the Down minor team including subs. Trying to settle a bet.

Dont have the subs.
1987: D. Hawkins, N. Caulfield, L. Duggan, M. McGivern, M. Quinn, C. Deegan, C. Mason, B. McCarten, P. Hannaway, C. Murray, R. Haughean, G. Breen, R. Fitzpatrick, T. Fagan, J. McCartan.

Is Colly Mason older or younger than Gary Mason?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 06, 2010, 04:22:07 PM
Are there any club fixtures this week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on September 06, 2010, 04:25:34 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 06, 2010, 04:10:28 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 06, 2010, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 06, 2010, 02:20:57 PM
Would anyone have a 1987 All Ireland final programme? If so could they list the Down minor team including subs. Trying to settle a bet.

Dont have the subs.
1987: D. Hawkins, N. Caulfield, L. Duggan, M. McGivern, M. Quinn, C. Deegan, C. Mason, B. McCarten, P. Hannaway, C. Murray, R. Haughean, G. Breen, R. Fitzpatrick, T. Fagan, J. McCartan.

Is Colly Mason older or younger than Gary Mason?

Younger, only a year or two in it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 06, 2010, 04:55:39 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 06, 2010, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 06, 2010, 02:20:57 PM
Would anyone have a 1987 All Ireland final programme? If so could they list the Down minor team including subs. Trying to settle a bet.

Dont have the subs.
1987: D. Hawkins, N. Caulfield, L. Duggan, M. McGivern, M. Quinn, C. Deegan, C. Mason, B. McCarten, P. Hannaway, C. Murray, R. Haughean, G. Breen, R. Fitzpatrick, T. Fagan, J. McCartan.

Paddy Kielty and John Kielty were on the bench that day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 06, 2010, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 06, 2010, 04:55:39 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 06, 2010, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 06, 2010, 02:20:57 PM
Would anyone have a 1987 All Ireland final programme? If so could they list the Down minor team including subs. Trying to settle a bet.

Dont have the subs.
1987: D. Hawkins, N. Caulfield, L. Duggan, M. McGivern, M. Quinn, C. Deegan, C. Mason, B. McCarten, P. Hannaway, C. Murray, R. Haughean, G. Breen, R. Fitzpatrick, T. Fagan, J. McCartan.
Also Mark Matthews of Clonduff.

Mark won 5 All Irelands medals.

1985   All Ireland McGreevy Shields with St Colman's College.
1986   All Ireland Hogan Cup with St Colman's College
1987   All Ireland Minor Football with Down minor
1988   All Ireland  Hogan Cup with St Colman's College
1989   All Ireland Freshers with University of Ulster (UUJ)

Paddy Kielty and John Kielty were on the bench that day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 06, 2010, 05:38:54 PM
Mayobridge v Burren senior reserve championship replay tonight is off! Might be played tommorrow evening!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 06, 2010, 05:49:51 PM
Mayobridge pitch unplayable again Tom? :)

Allocations will be ready for the clubs on Weds evening. It's getting very real now.

In other ramblings, here's a team of Down men who must be a tad envious at present:


Michael McAllister

Brendan Grant
Peter Turley
Martin Cole

Paul Murphy
Liam Doyle
Ciaran McGovern

Jackie Lynch
Joe Ireland

John Boyle
Michael Walsh
Stephen Kearney

Jamie O'Reilly
James McGovern
John McAreavey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 06, 2010, 05:58:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 06, 2010, 05:49:51 PM
Mayobridge pitch unplayable again Tom? :)

Allocations will be ready for the clubs on Weds evening. It's getting very real now.

In other ramblings, here's a team of Down men who must be a tad envious at present:


Michael McAllister

Brendan Grant
Peter Turley
Martin Cole

Paul Murphy
Liam Doyle
Ciaran McGovern

Jackie Lynch
Joe Ireland

John Boyle
Michael Walsh
Stephen Kearney

Jamie O'Reilly
James McGovern
John McAreavey
yeah we really need to sort them pitches out  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 06, 2010, 06:00:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 06, 2010, 05:49:51 PM
Mayobridge pitch unplayable again Tom? :)

Allocations will be ready for the clubs on Weds evening. It's getting very real now.

In other ramblings, here's a team of Down men who must be a tad envious at present:


Michael McAllister

Brendan Grant
Peter Turley
Martin Cole

Paul Murphy
Liam Doyle
Ciaran McGovern

Jackie Lynch
Joe Ireland

John Boyle
Michael Walsh
Stephen Kearney

Jamie O'Reilly
James McGovern
John McAreavey

nice of you to rub it in to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 06, 2010, 06:03:00 PM
Perhaps. It's a fairly handy team all the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 06, 2010, 06:08:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 06, 2010, 06:03:00 PM
Perhaps. It's a fairly handy team all the same.

you have to feel sorry for them lads. but i am sure they will be 100% behind the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 06, 2010, 06:35:40 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 06, 2010, 04:22:07 PM
Are there any club fixtures this week?

here you go'

Wed Sept 8th(6 30)
Betsy Gray Cup
Ballycran v Portaferry(L Quinn)

Sat 11th Sept
Clonduff(4 00)
Morgan Milk RFC
Bryansford v Rostrevor(D Cotter)
Clonduff(5 30)
Morgan Milk PRFC
Kilcoo v Burren/Mayobridge(G Brannigan)
Burren/Mayobridge(4 00)
Morgan Milk RFC
Drumgath v Warrenpoint(D Kearns)
Burren/Mayobridge(5 30)
Morgan Milk PRFC
An Riocht v Ballyholland(M Devlin)

Sun Sept 12th
Ballela(1 30)
Down Junior Hurling Final
Clonduff v Ballyvarley(L Quinn)
Ballela(4 00)
Down Intermediate Hurling Final
Bredagh v Shamrocks(C O Flynn)
Ballycran(3 00)
Morgan Milk Senior Hurling Semi Final
Ballygalget v Portaferry(D Magee)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 06, 2010, 08:38:35 PM
Any word of senior champ'ship draw yet lads?
Supposed to be happening tonight at the Abbey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 06, 2010, 08:47:27 PM
Just hear Harps drew Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trap 2 on September 06, 2010, 08:53:05 PM
Mayobridge v Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 06, 2010, 09:00:31 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on September 06, 2010, 08:47:27 PM
Just hear Harps drew Burren

Any word on the other pairings?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 06, 2010, 09:01:40 PM
Stone v bridge
kingdom or hilltown v kilcoo
saval v c wellan or b ford
Harps v burren

You wud have to fancy bridge, kilcoo, ford + burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 06, 2010, 09:10:26 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on September 06, 2010, 09:01:40 PM
Stone v bridge
kingdom or hilltown v kilcoo
saval v c wellan or b ford
Harps v burren

You wud have to fancy bridge, kilcoo, ford + burren

Tough draw for us whoever comes through in the Kingdom v Yellows replay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on September 06, 2010, 09:12:16 PM
any word of the draw for the JFC semi-finals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 06, 2010, 09:12:55 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on September 06, 2010, 09:01:40 PM
Stone v bridge
kingdom or hilltown v kilcoo
saval v c wellan or b ford
Harps v burren

You wud have to fancy bridge, kilcoo, ford + burren

The Ford have yet to get past the Town!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on September 06, 2010, 09:18:47 PM
Any IFC ties?

Darragh Cross v Annaclone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on September 06, 2010, 09:34:16 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 06, 2010, 04:55:39 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 06, 2010, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 06, 2010, 02:20:57 PM
Would anyone have a 1987 All Ireland final programme? If so could they list the Down minor team including subs. Trying to settle a bet.

Dont have the subs.
1987: D. Hawkins, N. Caulfield, L. Duggan, M. McGivern, M. Quinn, C. Deegan, C. Mason, B. McCarten, P. Hannaway, C. Murray, R. Haughean, G. Breen, R. Fitzpatrick, T. Fagan, J. McCartan.

Paddy Kielty and John Kielty were on the bench that day.

I'd say thats settled the bet.

For the record I believe Paddy was chairman of Dundrum for a while too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 06, 2010, 10:47:14 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 06, 2010, 05:49:51 PM
Mayobridge pitch unplayable again Tom? :)

Allocations will be ready for the clubs on Weds evening. It's getting very real now.

In other ramblings, here's a team of Down men who must be a tad envious at present:


Michael McAllister

Brendan Grant
Peter Turley
Martin Cole

Paul Murphy
Liam Doyle
Ciaran McGovern

Jackie Lynch
Joe Ireland

John Boyle
Michael Walsh
Stephen Kearney

Jamie O'Reilly
James McGovern
John McAreavey

only a fit liam doyle would get in the current team, so they shouldnt be too envious
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 06, 2010, 10:58:44 PM
IFC

Dundrum / Carryduff v Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on September 06, 2010, 11:36:00 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on September 06, 2010, 09:12:16 PM
any word of the draw for the JFC semi-finals?
Bright vs Bosco, Aughlisnafin vs Drunmaness.  To be played on sunday 26 september.  Maybe a double header in Newcastle/Castlewellan??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on September 06, 2010, 11:50:57 PM
Shaping up for a Finn v Bosco final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 06, 2010, 11:51:54 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on September 06, 2010, 09:34:16 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 06, 2010, 04:55:39 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 06, 2010, 02:56:16 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 06, 2010, 02:20:57 PM
Would anyone have a 1987 All Ireland final programme? If so could they list the Down minor team including subs. Trying to settle a bet.

Dont have the subs.
1987: D. Hawkins, N. Caulfield, L. Duggan, M. McGivern, M. Quinn, C. Deegan, C. Mason, B. McCarten, P. Hannaway, C. Murray, R. Haughean, G. Breen, R. Fitzpatrick, T. Fagan, J. McCartan.

Paddy Kielty and John Kielty were on the bench that day.

I'd say thats settled the bet.

For the record I believe Paddy was chairman of Dundrum for a while too.

Noup. Was secretary and youngest ever delagate to Congress at 16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 07, 2010, 10:33:48 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 06, 2010, 06:35:40 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 06, 2010, 04:22:07 PM
Are there any club fixtures this week?

here you go'

Wed Sept 8th(6 30)
Betsy Gray Cup
Ballycran v Portaferry(L Quinn)

Sat 11th Sept
Clonduff(4 00)
Morgan Milk RFC
Bryansford v Rostrevor(D Cotter)
Clonduff(5 30)
Morgan Milk PRFC
Kilcoo v Burren/Mayobridge(G Brannigan)
Burren/Mayobridge(4 00)
Morgan Milk RFC
Drumgath v Warrenpoint(D Kearns)
Burren/Mayobridge(5 30)
Morgan Milk PRFC
An Riocht v Ballyholland(M Devlin)

Sun Sept 12th
Ballela(1 30)
Down Junior Hurling Final
Clonduff v Ballyvarley(L Quinn)
Ballela(4 00)
Down Intermediate Hurling Final
Bredagh v Shamrocks(C O Flynn)
Ballycran(3 00)
Morgan Milk Senior Hurling Semi Final
Ballygalget v Portaferry(D Magee)

When are Liatroim and Ballycran scheduled to play in the other senior semi-final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on September 07, 2010, 10:49:47 AM
Can somone post the full intermediate football draw?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on September 07, 2010, 10:55:27 AM
they pulled out johnny cool. Lost half there startin 15 to one thing or another. Sure ballyvarley almost beat them two weeks ago ffs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on September 07, 2010, 11:23:50 AM
Drumgath v St. John's
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Glenn v Dundrum / Carryduff
Tullylish v Kilclief
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on September 07, 2010, 12:34:24 PM

When are Liatroim and Ballycran scheduled to play in the other senior semi-final?
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Quote from: THE DADGA on September 07, 2010, 10:55:27 AM
they pulled out johnny cool. Lost half there startin 15 to one thing or another. Sure ballyvarley almost beat them two weeks ago ffs

Shame liatroim pulled out, would have been good to see them at least play, but i suppose realistically there may not have been much point. never know now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 07, 2010, 08:52:04 PM
Championship hurling this week and it all kicks off tomorrow with the Betsy Gray Cup semi final between Ballycran and Portaferry. When these two met last year I hear it was like the start of Gangs of New York but Im sure they've all mellowed in the mean time. Ballycran to win by 2 points just because they're at home. Both teams to finish with 15 men for a change.

JHC final is in Ballela on Sunday and should be a really competitve fixture. Ballyvarley won this championship 2 or 3 years ago and are probably favorites to win it again after spending this season in Div 1. It helped the Point last year and I think it will help the reds this year. Ballyvarley to win by 3.

In the Intermediate final Shamrocks play Bredagh. Liatoim hammered Bredagh in the final last year but I cant see them getting a tankin again. This one could be a draw but I'll go for the experience of Shamrocks to pull them through by a point.

In the Senior semi final Ballygalget will be most peoples favorites to beat there old rivals. They've won the league meetings this year and have had the better of the Ports in the championship for a couple of years. I think there'll be an upset and I expect Portaferry to win it by a couple of points.

Anybody else any views on the hurling?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mrenergizer on September 08, 2010, 12:19:06 AM
best of luck to down in the final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 08, 2010, 11:25:57 AM
Quote from: Bacon on September 07, 2010, 08:52:04 PM
Championship hurling this week and it all kicks off tomorrow with the Betsy Gray Cup semi final between Ballycran and Portaferry. When these two met last year I hear it was like the start of Gangs of New York but Im sure they've all mellowed in the mean time. Ballycran to win by 2 points just because they're at home. Both teams to finish with 15 men for a change.

JHC final is in Ballela on Sunday and should be a really competitve fixture. Ballyvarley won this championship 2 or 3 years ago and are probably favorites to win it again after spending this season in Div 1. It helped the Point last year and I think it will help the reds this year. Ballyvarley to win by 3.

In the Intermediate final Shamrocks play Bredagh. Liatoim hammered Bredagh in the final last year but I cant see them getting a tankin again. This one could be a draw but I'll go for the experience of Shamrocks to pull them through by a point.

In the Senior semi final Ballygalget will be most peoples favorites to beat there old rivals. They've won the league meetings this year and have had the better of the Ports in the championship for a couple of years. I think there'll be an upset and I expect Portaferry to win it by a couple of points.

Anybody else any views on the hurling?

I think the Ports might do it in the Betsy Gray as they've some tidy enough young hurlers and have gotten a few lads back who'll probably be on their senior panel come sunday as well and for that reason it won't cut up rough.

Ballyvarley should have too many of the better hurlers for Clonduff to handle. We sent over a makeshift thirds team to Clonduff earlier in the year and they managed a win whereas Ballyvarley were competitive enough with our lads in Div1, but lacked a scoring threat and I'd expect Clonduff to be a few drops in standard from that.


If Bredagh can stop McGuinness from scoring goals then they're in with a shout. The Bredagh fullback is a handy enough lad the last time I saw them, maybe lacking a bit in the physical strength department for Eoin McGuinness but if he uses the loaf he could work him alright. Newry are pretty weak down the wings whereas Bredagh have a better balance and big Sean should be sending the bredagh lads out with the message to keep the game as wide as possible to avoid Newry's strength's. Cathal 'free flow' O'Flynn will let it go so it could get feisty enough.
I'm going for Bredagh by a point.

The senior semi-final could go either way a even though we've beaten Portaferry twice in the league it was nip and tuck the whole way, the meeting in Portaferry was decided by a great goal by Magic and the other very recent win the Ports had a few lads missing and very strange selections in the team which won't happen on Sunday.
The biggest headache facing our manager is where to put Magic. If he starts him fullforward then he's more dangerous but easily starved off the ball. I'd expect him to start at left half forward where he can get more involved in the game and if portaferry decide to double up on him I'd hope we'd have enough wit to use our extra man elsewhere, something we failed to do against Ballycran last year. Dule will be the Ports main threat and he'll be well protected by D Magee for some reason. I think we might start young Ben Toner on Dule even if it is his championship debut as he's a very tidy hurler and for one so young doesn't get phased by too much.

I'm not expected an open game as Ballycrans small pitch doesn't lend itself to that, plus it's a windy place on a good day so it could be a game of two halves.

I only hope that the ref has one of his better days and doesn't try to be the main man as is his want some times.

I'm going with us by two points but its not a confident verdict.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on September 08, 2010, 12:52:32 PM
Glad to see a small amount of debate about the hurling this week.  i think ballycran will win in the betsy grey as they were fairly strong when we played them last week.  I get that it my not be as strong this week for whatever reason but still feel they will have enough to win.

In the junior I would expect ballyvarley to win. Although they havnt had many positive results this year, playing against slightly better opposition should stand to them, and although clonduff have a few strong players, id expect ballyvaleys stronger players to dominate the game more.  It will be tight, but ill go with ballyvarley by 2.

Wont predict our game. It will be extremley close and i feels goals will be the difference at the end of the game. Hope the ref isnt a talkingpoint at the end of the match also.

In the senior i fancy ballygalget by the minimum. Think overall they are probably more solid and have the ability to contain dule, which if they do, cant see any other result than fr the galget men, but only by a couple. Good luck to the ref also. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 09, 2010, 12:56:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J55_OkxtIU

The real GOD :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 09, 2010, 09:50:01 AM
Great video that Mickey one!

1960 to 2010 Tribute!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa4OS3WJct8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa4OS3WJct8)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 09, 2010, 05:11:49 PM
For any one yous who want to see a match this evening travel over to the bridge to see the senior reserve quarter final replay between ourselves and Burren!!! It should be a good match!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 09, 2010, 07:50:50 PM
Quote from: Fíor Gael on September 07, 2010, 11:23:50 AM
Drumgath v St. John's
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Glenn v Dundrum / Carryduff
Tullylish v Kilclief

got a ticket for me f.g?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 09, 2010, 09:09:44 PM
Quote from: amallon on September 09, 2010, 09:50:01 AM
Great video that Mickey one!

1960 to 2010 Tribute!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa4OS3WJct8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa4OS3WJct8)
absolutely fantastic, that kerry performance was the best for 16 years in my opinion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 09, 2010, 09:53:32 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 09, 2010, 05:11:49 PM
For any one yous who want to see a match this evening travel over to the bridge to see the senior reserve quarter final replay between ourselves and Burren!!! It should be a good match!!!

Well how did it go Mr OHare?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: batman on September 09, 2010, 10:17:26 PM
Anyone know the Irish news allstars?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 09, 2010, 10:34:04 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 09, 2010, 12:56:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J55_OkxtIU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J55_OkxtIU)

The real GOD :)

TOH - thank you for that vid.  It was a treat and your are right, Mickey was the real GOD
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 09, 2010, 11:02:37 PM
Any of you boys know how the row system works for seating?
ie i have tickets for row u and row bb in Hogan Lower. Anyone tell me how far back or forward in the stand these are, a rough idea even?
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 09, 2010, 11:28:53 PM
Right at the very back in the corner. Jones Rd end. You lucky b*stard!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on September 09, 2010, 11:52:34 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 09, 2010, 09:53:32 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 09, 2010, 05:11:49 PM
For any one yous who want to see a match this evening travel over to the bridge to see the senior reserve quarter final replay between ourselves and Burren!!! It should be a good match!!!

Well how did it go Mr OHare?

bridge won by 2 points  mickey linden came on at half time and scored 4 points  still has it  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 10, 2010, 01:29:07 AM
Four of the best points you will ever see.. The man just lit up the game when we were two points down!! Everyone went out of the ground with the man on their lips!! The word legend is overused but we are lucky to have this man!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 10, 2010, 01:30:45 AM
Quote from: batman on September 09, 2010, 10:17:26 PM
Anyone know the Irish news allstars?

Down got a good few, Benny got one and Clarke got POTY, well done Martin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MCMLX on September 10, 2010, 08:06:41 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 10, 2010, 01:30:45 AM
Quote from: batman on September 09, 2010, 10:17:26 PM
Anyone know the Irish news allstars?

Down got a good few, Benny got one and Clarke got POTY, well done Martin

McVeigh, D Raff, McKernan, Ambi, Hughes, Clarke, Coulter got awards.  Marty got player of the year. Thought our Daniel would have got one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 10, 2010, 09:59:41 AM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 10, 2010, 08:06:41 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 10, 2010, 01:30:45 AM
Quote from: batman on September 09, 2010, 10:17:26 PM
Anyone know the Irish news allstars?

Down got a good few, Benny got one and Clarke got POTY, well done Martin

McVeigh, D Raff, McKernan, Ambi, Hughes, Clarke, Coulter got awards.  Marty got player of the year. Thought our Daniel would have got one.

Kalum King should have made it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on September 10, 2010, 10:24:11 AM
Quote from: Leo on September 10, 2010, 09:59:41 AM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 10, 2010, 08:06:41 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 10, 2010, 01:30:45 AM
Quote from: batman on September 09, 2010, 10:17:26 PM
Anyone know the Irish news allstars?

Down got a good few, Benny got one and Clarke got POTY, well done Martin

McVeigh, D Raff, McKernan, Ambi, Hughes, Clarke, Coulter got awards.  Marty got player of the year. Thought our Daniel would have got one.

Kalum King should have made it.

And Garvey?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 10, 2010, 10:33:23 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 10, 2010, 01:29:07 AM
Four of the best points you will ever see.. The man just lit up the game when we were two points down!! Everyone went out of the ground with the man on their lips!! The word legend is overused but we are lucky to have this man!!!

Think its very unfair to expect yous to play again on Saturday in simi final. Had yous a choice?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on September 10, 2010, 11:06:10 AM
QuoteAny of you boys know how the row system works for seating?
ie i have tickets for row u and row bb in Hogan Lower. Anyone tell me how far back or forward in the stand these are, a rough idea even?
Thanks in advance.

Brick if you go to the croke park or gaa website you can go to your seat and see where it is on an aeriel disgram also you can click onthe seat and it will show you a view of croke park from that seat
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on September 10, 2010, 11:36:04 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on September 10, 2010, 11:06:10 AM
QuoteAny of you boys know how the row system works for seating?
ie i have tickets for row u and row bb in Hogan Lower. Anyone tell me how far back or forward in the stand these are, a rough idea even?
Thanks in advance.

Brick if you go to the croke park or gaa website you can go to your seat and see where it is on an aeriel disgram also you can click onthe seat and it will show you a view of croke park from that seat
Front row is A, second row B, etc.  Row AA is behind row Z, and BB behind that again. Simple enough.  So your row BB is 7 rows behind your row U.  Good enough seats.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: smokeyjoe on September 10, 2010, 12:11:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 09, 2010, 11:02:37 PM
Any of you boys know how the row system works for seating?
ie i have tickets for row u and row bb in Hogan Lower. Anyone tell me how far back or forward in the stand these are, a rough idea even?
Thanks in advance.

I see a real fan has managed to get their hands on some tickets! you only need to go to Croke park once to know the seating system
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on September 10, 2010, 01:14:43 PM
Quote from: smokeyjoe on September 10, 2010, 12:11:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 09, 2010, 11:02:37 PM
Any of you boys know how the row system works for seating?
ie i have tickets for row u and row bb in Hogan Lower. Anyone tell me how far back or forward in the stand these are, a rough idea even?
Thanks in advance.

I see a real fan has managed to get their hands on some tickets! you only need to go to Croke park once to know the seating system

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 10, 2010, 01:28:12 PM
So because im not so sure on the seating plans im a fairweather supporter??
Ive been to Croker many a time in recent years but to be honest ive never had to pay much attention to seating plans, tickets were always fine and more often than not were in premium so i wasnt bothered.
This time its a wee bit more important to know where exactly the seats are not just for myself but for friends and family. I had an idea of seating plan but wasnt wholly sure so that why i asked. Id also heard conflicting reports so i thought it no harm to try and get a better idea.

You could count on one hand the amount of Down games ive missed in last 5 years between friendlies, Mc Kenna Cup, league & championship so wind yer necks in folks.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on September 10, 2010, 01:33:09 PM
You tell 'em Brick! :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 10, 2010, 02:48:33 PM
How do you get to Croke Park from Newry? I haven't been there since 1994 and I hear there's a new road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on September 10, 2010, 03:11:41 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 10, 2010, 02:48:33 PM
How do you get to Croke Park from Newry? I haven't been there since 1994 and I hear there's a new road.
Yep. New motorway built especially to link the Bredagh club with HQ  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 10, 2010, 03:27:21 PM
Quote from: western exile on September 10, 2010, 03:11:41 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 10, 2010, 02:48:33 PM
How do you get to Croke Park from Newry? I haven't been there since 1994 and I hear there's a new road.
Yep. New motorway built especially to link the Bredagh club with HQ  ;D

Don't worry, there's a bus running. brick's driving as he's the only one knows the way.

(http://awaitingrain.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/01/bandwagon.jpg)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 10, 2010, 05:44:15 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 10, 2010, 10:33:23 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 10, 2010, 01:29:07 AM
Four of the best points you will ever see.. The man just lit up the game when we were two points down!! Everyone went out of the ground with the man on their lips!! The word legend is overused but we are lucky to have this man!!!

Think its very unfair to expect yous to play again on Saturday in simi final. Had yous a choice?

its the co board so no :) yous are 4/6 to win in PP  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 10, 2010, 09:02:54 PM
Quote from: Bacon on September 07, 2010, 08:52:04 PM
Championship hurling this week and it all kicks off tomorrow with the Betsy Gray Cup semi final between Ballycran and Portaferry. When these two met last year I hear it was like the start of Gangs of New York but Im sure they've all mellowed in the mean time. Ballycran to win by 2 points just because they're at home. Both teams to finish with 15 men for a change.

JHC final is in Ballela on Sunday and should be a really competitve fixture. Ballyvarley won this championship 2 or 3 years ago and are probably favorites to win it again after spending this season in Div 1. It helped the Point last year and I think it will help the reds this year. Ballyvarley to win by 3.

In the Intermediate final Shamrocks play Bredagh. Liatoim hammered Bredagh in the final last year but I cant see them getting a tankin again. This one could be a draw but I'll go for the experience of Shamrocks to pull them through by a point.

In the Senior semi final Ballygalget will be most peoples favorites to beat there old rivals. They've won the league meetings this year and have had the better of the Ports in the championship for a couple of years. I think there'll be an upset and I expect Portaferry to win it by a couple of points.

Anybody else any views on the hurling?

In the JHC you would expect Ballyvarley having the Div 1 experience to win though Hilltown will put up a good show, we beat them in the Final a few years back but we were made work for it for long periods. If Ballyvarley dont show enough appetite and physicality early on they could end up getting rolled like they did by Castlewellan in last years Junior, enough skill just no devilment. Reds by 4

The IHC should be tight but if Bredagh approach the game the way they did against us with plenty of ball into the corners then I see them winning. Bredagh have a much better balanced squad with options off the bench whereas Newry struggle to have options 1-15. Shamrocks beat Kilclief by a few points having been gifted two soft goals, which Bredagh wont be doing as we sadly found out with Jack in good form. Eoin Mc Guinness was playing wing forward against kilclief but he'l probably be needed closer to goal on sunday, Mal and Jonny couldnt get the better of the Bredagh defence for us so he may meet the same fate. Ciaran Courtney'l clear ample ball from centre back but may finish the game in full forward which could result in some of the Bredagh line taking a coronary if its close. Bredagh to play Senior Championship 2011.

Magic's probably better support in the senior semi final with Danny Toner a big advantage for them this year, so Galgets by 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on September 10, 2010, 09:05:06 PM
Just to let you know that two of the wiser and respected Down members of gaaboard.ie have contributed their views to the Newry Reporter's All-Ireland supplement - a page each they got too.
To protect their anonymity I won't say who they are but they go by their board names in the articles.

There were some complaints on a posting somewhere about a club charging £10 per ticket for a raffle for two All-ireland tickets - we've 2 sets of two up for grabs in the paper. You'd have to buy the paper though to get the two entry slips you need to enter and entries have to be in by 5pm on Monday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on September 10, 2010, 11:41:09 PM
Got ticket, sorted, friggin psyched now boys! I know the seating plan lads dont worry ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 12, 2010, 05:42:35 PM
Setting aside the ticket debate, I have to give credit to the Down County Board and in particular Seamus Walsh and Sean Og.In the past I have been critical of certain decisions but I have to take my hat off to all the office holders and indeed Club Down.To host a very successful congress, organise excellent and fitting tributes to the 1960 team and to date make very impressive preparations for the football final in the same year is no mean feat.I know the Hurling people might suggest it is the poor relation but I don't believe  the DCB or these men in particular could do much more with what we have. Add in the best organised Scor in the 32 counties, competitive and regular leagues at all levels, big improvements in refereeing standards and it's clear we are well served by these volunteers.I know Sean Og is paid but he must put in 80 plus hours a week. Seamus Walsh is a gentleman ;gets on with the job and doesn't seek the spotlight - fair play to Dundrum for honouring him alongside Paul Mc Comiskey with a first class display in the village
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 12, 2010, 06:32:53 PM
Hurling Results:

IHC Final
Bredagh 2-15 2-10 Shamrocks

JHC Final
Clonduff 1-13 1-11 Ballyvarley

2 very tight games with the better team winning in both. I'm away for a pint to celebrate our first intermediate title!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 12, 2010, 06:38:15 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 12, 2010, 05:42:35 PM
Setting aside the ticket debate, I have to give credit to the Down County Board and in particular Seamus Walsh and Sean Og.In the past I have been critical of certain decisions but I have to take my hat off to all the office holders and indeed Club Down.To host a very successful congress, organise excellent and fitting tributes to the 1960 team and to date make very impressive preparations for the football final in the same year is no mean feat.I know the Hurling people might suggest it is the poor relation but I don't believe  the DCB or these men in particular could do much more with what we have. Add in the best organised Scor in the 32 counties, competitive and regular leagues at all levels, big improvements in refereeing standards and it's clear we are well served by these volunteers.I know Sean Og is paid but he must put in 80 plus hours a week. Seamus Walsh is a gentleman ;gets on with the job and doesn't seek the spotlight - fair play to Dundrum for honouring him alongside Paul Mc Comiskey with a first class display in the village

Well said, delighted for Seamy, he is a top bloke and has done a lot for our club,especially in the early 90s when the club were experiencing a lot of difficulties.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 12, 2010, 07:08:28 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 12, 2010, 06:32:53 PM
Hurling Results:

IHC Final
Bredagh 2-15 2-10 Shamrocks

JHC Final
Clonduff 1-13 1-11 Ballyvarley

2 very tight games with the better team winning in both. I'm away for a pint to celebrate our first intermediate title!

me too, an hes buying  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MCMLX on September 12, 2010, 07:37:39 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 12, 2010, 05:42:35 PM
Setting aside the ticket debate, I have to give credit to the Down County Board and in particular Seamus Walsh and Sean Og.In the past I have been critical of certain decisions but I have to take my hat off to all the office holders and indeed Club Down.To host a very successful congress, organise excellent and fitting tributes to the 1960 team and to date make very impressive preparations for the football final in the same year is no mean feat.I know the Hurling people might suggest it is the poor relation but I don't believe  the DCB or these men in particular could do much more with what we have. Add in the best organised Scor in the 32 counties, competitive and regular leagues at all levels, big improvements in refereeing standards and it's clear we are well served by these volunteers.I know Sean Og is paid but he must put in 80 plus hours a week. Seamus Walsh is a gentleman ;gets on with the job and doesn't seek the spotlight - fair play to Dundrum for honouring him alongside Paul Mc Comiskey with a first class display in the village

The Down CB have done a great job over the last few weeks. The bigger clubs are getting a fairer share of the tickets and although they wont be able to please everyone, they are doing their upmost to sort things out. I certainly wouldnt want to be in Sean ogs shoes at the minute, his phone must be hopping. Well done to all and hopefully we will all be celebrating in the Citywest this time next week.
An Dun abu, back @ HQ.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MCMLX on September 12, 2010, 07:48:30 PM
Ballygalget beat Portaferry by a point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 12, 2010, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 12, 2010, 05:42:35 PM
Setting aside the ticket debate, I have to give credit to the Down County Board and in particular Seamus Walsh and Sean Og.In the past I have been critical of certain decisions but I have to take my hat off to all the office holders and indeed Club Down.To host a very successful congress, organise excellent and fitting tributes to the 1960 team and to date make very impressive preparations for the football final in the same year is no mean feat.I know the Hurling people might suggest it is the poor relation but I don't believe  the DCB or these men in particular could do much more with what we have. Add in the best organised Scor in the 32 counties, competitive and regular leagues at all levels, big improvements in refereeing standards and it's clear we are well served by these volunteers.I know Sean Og is paid but he must put in 80 plus hours a week. Seamus Walsh is a gentleman ;gets on with the job and doesn't seek the spotlight - fair play to Dundrum for honouring him alongside Paul Mc Comiskey with a first class display in the village

Agree 100% with everything you say Dubh Driocht esp about Seamus Walsh...a gentleman of the highest order and always very accommodating...one of our better Cathaoirleachs. Sean Og has the most demanding job in Ireland at the minute but I have had cause to ring him re tickets for the semi and qtr finals and his response was always "sure I'll bring them home for you"....as if he hadnt enough to do!! Seems as if his aim for the qtr and semi finals was to get as many Down people as possible in Croke Park. He'll deserve some holiday come the end of September....I think all around the Co Board have done a fine job so far....one special mention however Feargal McCormack and his company seem to be behind a lot of stuff in arranging events etc...a hell of a resource to have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wavesofTORRES on September 12, 2010, 08:45:06 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 12, 2010, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 12, 2010, 05:42:35 PM
Setting aside the ticket debate, I have to give credit to the Down County Board and in particular Seamus Walsh and Sean Og.In the past I have been critical of certain decisions but I have to take my hat off to all the office holders and indeed Club Down.To host a very successful congress, organise excellent and fitting tributes to the 1960 team and to date make very impressive preparations for the football final in the same year is no mean feat.I know the Hurling people might suggest it is the poor relation but I don't believe  the DCB or these men in particular could do much more with what we have. Add in the best organised Scor in the 32 counties, competitive and regular leagues at all levels, big improvements in refereeing standards and it's clear we are well served by these volunteers.I know Sean Og is paid but he must put in 80 plus hours a week. Seamus Walsh is a gentleman ;gets on with the job and doesn't seek the spotlight - fair play to Dundrum for honouring him alongside Paul Mc Comiskey with a first class display in the village

Agree 100% with everything you say Dubh Driocht esp about Seamus Walsh...a gentleman of the highest order and always very accommodating...one of our better Cathaoirleachs. Sean Og has the most demanding job in Ireland at the minute but I have had cause to ring him re tickets for the semi and qtr finals and his response was always "sure I'll bring them home for you"....as if he hadnt enough to do!! Seems as if his aim for the qtr and semi finals was to get as many Down people as possible in Croke Park. He'll deserve some holiday come the end of September....I think all around the Co Board have done a fine job so far....one special mention however Feargal McCormack and his company seem to be behind a lot of stuff in arranging events etc...a hell of a resource to have.
That explains where the £12.50 levy on the tickets is going to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 12, 2010, 08:54:34 PM
Quote from: wavesofTORRES on September 12, 2010, 08:45:06 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 12, 2010, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 12, 2010, 05:42:35 PM
Setting aside the ticket debate, I have to give credit to the Down County Board and in particular Seamus Walsh and Sean Og.In the past I have been critical of certain decisions but I have to take my hat off to all the office holders and indeed Club Down.To host a very successful congress, organise excellent and fitting tributes to the 1960 team and to date make very impressive preparations for the football final in the same year is no mean feat.I know the Hurling people might suggest it is the poor relation but I don't believe  the DCB or these men in particular could do much more with what we have. Add in the best organised Scor in the 32 counties, competitive and regular leagues at all levels, big improvements in refereeing standards and it's clear we are well served by these volunteers.I know Sean Og is paid but he must put in 80 plus hours a week. Seamus Walsh is a gentleman ;gets on with the job and doesn't seek the spotlight - fair play to Dundrum for honouring him alongside Paul Mc Comiskey with a first class display in the village

Agree 100% with everything you say Dubh Driocht esp about Seamus Walsh...a gentleman of the highest order and always very accommodating...one of our better Cathaoirleachs. Sean Og has the most demanding job in Ireland at the minute but I have had cause to ring him re tickets for the semi and qtr finals and his response was always "sure I'll bring them home for you"....as if he hadnt enough to do!! Seems as if his aim for the qtr and semi finals was to get as many Down people as possible in Croke Park. He'll deserve some holiday come the end of September....I think all around the Co Board have done a fine job so far....one special mention however Feargal McCormack and his company seem to be behind a lot of stuff in arranging events etc...a hell of a resource to have.
That explains where the £12.50 levy on the tickets is going to.


Knowing McCormack and his support of the GAA in Down over the years you're barking up the wrong tree there. Your username says it all about you ye boy ye.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wavesofTORRES on September 12, 2010, 09:24:44 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 12, 2010, 08:54:34 PM
Quote from: wavesofTORRES on September 12, 2010, 08:45:06 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 12, 2010, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 12, 2010, 05:42:35 PM
Setting aside the ticket debate, I have to give credit to the Down County Board and in particular Seamus Walsh and Sean Og.In the past I have been critical of certain decisions but I have to take my hat off to all the office holders and indeed Club Down.To host a very successful congress, organise excellent and fitting tributes to the 1960 team and to date make very impressive preparations for the football final in the same year is no mean feat.I know the Hurling people might suggest it is the poor relation but I don't believe  the DCB or these men in particular could do much more with what we have. Add in the best organised Scor in the 32 counties, competitive and regular leagues at all levels, big improvements in refereeing standards and it's clear we are well served by these volunteers.I know Sean Og is paid but he must put in 80 plus hours a week. Seamus Walsh is a gentleman ;gets on with the job and doesn't seek the spotlight - fair play to Dundrum for honouring him alongside Paul Mc Comiskey with a first class display in the village

Agree 100% with everything you say Dubh Driocht esp about Seamus Walsh...a gentleman of the highest order and always very accommodating...one of our better Cathaoirleachs. Sean Og has the most demanding job in Ireland at the minute but I have had cause to ring him re tickets for the semi and qtr finals and his response was always "sure I'll bring them home for you"....as if he hadnt enough to do!! Seems as if his aim for the qtr and semi finals was to get as many Down people as possible in Croke Park. He'll deserve some holiday come the end of September....I think all around the Co Board have done a fine job so far....one special mention however Feargal McCormack and his company seem to be behind a lot of stuff in arranging events etc...a hell of a resource to have.
That explains where the £12.50 levy on the tickets is going to.


Knowing McCormack and his support of the GAA in Down over the years you're barking up the wrong tree there. Your username says it all about you ye boy ye.
I may know more than you think re Co.Board set up etc. so dont make assumptions my friend.McCormick is a gael like so many but hes also a professional, so wise up. What a user name says about anyone god only knows. Far be it  from me to assume that yours indicates a gullible streak ye boy ye.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 12, 2010, 09:39:03 PM

[/quote]I may know more than you think re Co.Board set up etc. so dont make assumptions my friend.McCormick is a gael like so many but hes also a professional, so wise up. What a user name says about anyone god only knows. Far be it  from me to assume that yours indicates a gullible streak ye boy ye.
[/quote]


Is it as hard to get a ticket in Anfield as it is for Croke Park??  By the way you've lost me with the gullible streak comment :-\ Obviously not much crack on Hogan Stand this weather :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wavesofTORRES on September 12, 2010, 10:05:31 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 12, 2010, 09:39:03 PM

I may know more than you think re Co.Board set up etc. so dont make assumptions my friend.McCormick is a gael like so many but hes also a professional, so wise up. What a user name says about anyone god only knows. Far be it  from me to assume that yours indicates a gullible streak ye boy ye.
[/quote]


Is it as hard to get a ticket in Anfield as it is for Croke Park??  By the way you've lost me with the gullible streak comment :-\ Obviously not much crack on Hogan Stand this weather :)
[/quot ;D Comeback of all time.  ;D All services to CB are now gratis I take it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Any craic on September 12, 2010, 11:07:39 PM
Bredagh v Newry Shamrocks today in the Down IHC Final - http://vimeo.com/14910139 (http://vimeo.com/14910139)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 13, 2010, 09:33:25 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 12, 2010, 07:08:28 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 12, 2010, 06:32:53 PM
Hurling Results:

IHC Final
Bredagh 2-15 2-10 Shamrocks

JHC Final
Clonduff 1-13 1-11 Ballyvarley

2 very tight games with the better team winning in both. I'm away for a pint to celebrate our first intermediate title!

me too, an hes buying  :)

There won't be a cow milked in south Belfast till friday.

Welcome to senior hurling in 2011 but no doubt you will be preparing for a good go at the Ulster intermediate club championship any why not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 13, 2010, 11:03:00 AM
Quote from: wavesofTORRES on September 12, 2010, 08:45:06 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 12, 2010, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 12, 2010, 05:42:35 PM
Setting aside the ticket debate, I have to give credit to the Down County Board and in particular Seamus Walsh and Sean Og.In the past I have been critical of certain decisions but I have to take my hat off to all the office holders and indeed Club Down.To host a very successful congress, organise excellent and fitting tributes to the 1960 team and to date make very impressive preparations for the football final in the same year is no mean feat.I know the Hurling people might suggest it is the poor relation but I don't believe  the DCB or these men in particular could do much more with what we have. Add in the best organised Scor in the 32 counties, competitive and regular leagues at all levels, big improvements in refereeing standards and it's clear we are well served by these volunteers.I know Sean Og is paid but he must put in 80 plus hours a week. Seamus Walsh is a gentleman ;gets on with the job and doesn't seek the spotlight - fair play to Dundrum for honouring him alongside Paul Mc Comiskey with a first class display in the village

Agree 100% with everything you say Dubh Driocht esp about Seamus Walsh...a gentleman of the highest order and always very accommodating...one of our better Cathaoirleachs. Sean Og has the most demanding job in Ireland at the minute but I have had cause to ring him re tickets for the semi and qtr finals and his response was always "sure I'll bring them home for you"....as if he hadnt enough to do!! Seems as if his aim for the qtr and semi finals was to get as many Down people as possible in Croke Park. He'll deserve some holiday come the end of September....I think all around the Co Board have done a fine job so far....one special mention however Feargal McCormack and his company seem to be behind a lot of stuff in arranging events etc...a hell of a resource to have.
That explains where the £12.50 levy on the tickets is going to.

Ridiculous comment. You obviously know nothing about this man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 13, 2010, 12:26:39 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 13, 2010, 09:33:25 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 12, 2010, 07:08:28 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 12, 2010, 06:32:53 PM
Hurling Results:

IHC Final
Bredagh 2-15 2-10 Shamrocks

JHC Final
Clonduff 1-13 1-11 Ballyvarley

2 very tight games with the better team winning in both. I'm away for a pint to celebrate our first intermediate title!

me too, an hes buying  :)

There won't be a cow milked in south Belfast till friday.
Welcome to senior hurling in 2011 but no doubt you will be preparing for a good go at the Ulster intermediate club championship any why not.

I'd say All Ireland tickets are easier come by than cows in South Belfast.
Not a great hurling follower to be honest but love to see new clubs emerge in sport no matter what context. Well done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 13, 2010, 01:42:56 PM
Predictions league
First Rounds SFC, IFC and JFC (19 games)
Quarter finals SFC. IFC and JFC (12 games)
Semi finals SFC, IFC and JFC (6 games)
Finals SFC. IFC, JFC, PRFC, RFC and MFC. (6 games)
Total of 43 games.

This Friday MFC final.
its not easy this year to organise this event due Down successful run in championship.
I wish Down every success in Final against Cork. Great credit goes to Management and players.

Your prediction
MFC final
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on September 13, 2010, 02:14:32 PM
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 13, 2010, 02:15:31 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 12, 2010, 07:48:30 PM
Ballygalget beat Portaferry by a point.

In all fairness it wasn't a game we remotely deserved to win as we were shite and aimlessy shite with it.

The Ports were quicker to the ball and TBH were pulling away with an 8 point lead 5 to 10 minutes into the second half until their corner back got a straight red for an off the ball incident which resulted in an free for all.

Deccy Magee didn't see it as the ball was up the other end of the pitch but after consulting with his own umpires dished out a red for the Ports lad and a yellow for our lad who was lying on the deck. Turns out the two were digging each other with the putts of the hurl when the Port lad took a full swipe at the back of wee Danny.
That seemed to spur our lads on and the Ports got very badly disorganised and conceded a goal from a 21 yard free shortly after it. Magic hit it like a bullet and then we were able to get a few more points to close the gap but Dule was still rattling over scores and a very well taken goal up our end to keep the gap.
We then got a scrappy goal which Keating failed to clear when he should and that got us down to two. Some nice long range points from Eoin and Stevie Clarke drew us level but the Ports hit some awful wides which would have taken them in front again. Pady rat came on and scored the winner in injury time for a very undeserved win.
The Ports had the two best players on the field in Dule and Ruairi McGrattan and were playing far and away the better hurling but even though a lot of our lads were poor we kept going until the end.

From our POV we need to improve drastically to have any chance in the final. Our touch and striking was very poor with a lot of dropped balls and mishits and getting hooked and blocked too easily but we've another two weeks to work on that thankfully.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 13, 2010, 02:22:04 PM
Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on September 13, 2010, 02:34:23 PM
Minor Finals A & B have been postponed until after the All-Ireland Final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on September 13, 2010, 02:58:51 PM
Will Bredagh be playing in the senior championhip next year now that they have won the intermediate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 13, 2010, 03:14:17 PM
Yes we will. We aren't close to senior level yet but a year playing in a higher division in Antrim will help to bring our younger lads on.its only fair that the winner moves up for at least one year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ballybredagh on September 13, 2010, 03:18:19 PM
Bredagh will be playing in the SHC next year. It will take us a few years to become competitive at this level, but we'll give it a lash and will definitely field in the SHC in 2011. That has been our main focus since we reformed at junior level 6 years ago. We want to mix it with the Ards teams and will do, hopefully in the not to distant future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on September 13, 2010, 04:08:12 PM
well fairplay lads, hopefully break the ards strangehold which can only be good for the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on September 13, 2010, 10:27:48 PM
MFC final
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on September 13, 2010, 10:49:36 PM
MFC final
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 13, 2010, 11:14:41 PM
MFC Final

Kilcoo v Rostrevor

...no bias intended ha
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on September 14, 2010, 12:04:50 AM
MFC final
Kilcoo v Rostrevor



The Golf day was excellent. Credit to the County
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 14, 2010, 12:37:44 AM
Time for Sam?

Have a look at the thread on "Show your Suport" Not as much time for Sam as you might expect.
Really poor response from many areas in Down inclding Mayobridge, Kilcoo & Hilltown - the so-called "heart" ofthe GAA in Down.

Instead go look at Loughinisland, Dundrum, Annalong (yes, Annalong!).

Show Your Support? Not happening at most clubs.

Burren - the poorest display in the county.
But then there are onbly SIX Burren players in the squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on September 14, 2010, 01:42:29 AM
Quote from: Leo on September 14, 2010, 12:37:44 AM
Time for Sam?

Have a look at the thread on "Show your Suport" Not as much time for Sam as you might expect.
Really poor response from many areas in Down inclding Mayobridge, Kilcoo & Hilltown - the so-called "heart" ofthe GAA in Down.

Instead go look at Loughinisland, Dundrum, Annalong (yes, Annalong!).

Show Your Support? Not happening at most clubs.

Burren - the poorest display in the county.
But then there are onbly SIX Burren players in the squad.

its a bit naive to suggest that showing support for the team can be quantified by the number of flags/bunting in the town. Of course that has a big part to play in the excitement leading up to all ireland weekend and perhaps burren etc have made a poorer effort than most in this regard, but the club has continually lended support to the county team throughout the years irrespective of "success". The very geography of the burren area does not lend itself well for such decorations. Unlike most of the towns you have given credit there is no town centre in burren as such, with not much else only the chapel and the football field.  I may be coming across overly defensive here and I do agree to an extent that the support from such areas may not be as visual, but I just want to point out that the team and especially those representing burren have the backing of every gael in the locality.

I believe Burren are one of only two clubs that have sold their target level of club down membership to date along with numerous other generous backings from local businessmen. They have also been more than accommodating to the down squad with regards to the use of training facilities including the field, the ice baths and the gym. I also know that a number of burren men were highly involved in the recent golf day which raised much needed funds in the run up to the final, and not least over the course of the year have seen 8 of their players wear the county colours a fact that brings pride to every burren person I know.

the club will be represented in force next sunday and  the support will be unquestioned!!

I personally would like to wish dan, deccy, kevin, anton and cathal the best of luck along with their fellow county men. I hope we will all be celebrating another famous victory for the men in red and black next weekend.

an dun abu
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on September 14, 2010, 10:02:20 AM
Hilltown has flags and bunting up along the road at the football pitch with bunting up in the village itself.

Also a sign of 'up down' has been placed on a mountain with another in progress on the hen mountain.

Its not just about putting flags up, its about the vocal support on the day and Hilltown along with every other club in Down will be well represented in Croke Park on the day cheering on the players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on September 14, 2010, 10:25:48 AM

MFC final
Kilcoo v Rostrevor




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 14, 2010, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: CHB1 on September 14, 2010, 10:02:20 AM
Hilltown has flags and bunting up along the road at the football pitch with bunting up in the village itself.

Also a sign of 'up down' has been placed on a mountain with another in progress on the hen mountain.

Its not just about putting flags up, its about the vocal support on the day and Hilltown along with every other club in Down will be well represented in Croke Park on the day cheering on the players.

I hope Clonduff is not trying to claim the Edentrumley mountain in Mayobridge which has a sign "up down" which was organised by a prominent board member and done by members of the Mayobridge club ;D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 14, 2010, 10:48:13 AM


MFC Final

Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 14, 2010, 11:14:00 AM
MFC Final

Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on September 14, 2010, 11:46:56 AM
MFC Final

Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 14, 2010, 12:23:05 PM
MFC Final

Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on September 14, 2010, 12:49:18 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 14, 2010, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: CHB1 on September 14, 2010, 10:02:20 AM
Hilltown has flags and bunting up along the road at the football pitch with bunting up in the village itself.

Also a sign of 'up down' has been placed on a mountain with another in progress on the hen mountain.

Its not just about putting flags up, its about the vocal support on the day and Hilltown along with every other club in Down will be well represented in Croke Park on the day cheering on the players.

I hope Clonduff is not trying to claim the Edentrumley mountain in Mayobridge which has a sign "up down" which was organised by a prominent board member and done by members of the Mayobridge club ;D ;)

You can keep Eduntrumley Tommy, Clonduff have plenty of their own hills and mountains to decorate!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack4ever on September 14, 2010, 03:57:09 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on September 14, 2010, 12:49:18 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 14, 2010, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: CHB1 on September 14, 2010, 10:02:20 AM
Hilltown has flags and bunting up along the road at the football pitch with bunting up in the village itself.

Also a sign of 'up down' has been placed on a mountain with another in progress on the hen mountain.

Its not just about putting flags up, its about the vocal support on the day and Hilltown along with every other club in Down will be well represented in Croke Park on the day cheering on the players.

I hope Clonduff is not trying to claim the Edentrumley mountain in Mayobridge which has a sign "up down" which was organised by a prominent board member and done by members of the Mayobridge club ;D ;)

You can keep Eduntrumley Tommy, Clonduff have plenty of their own hills and mountains to decorate!!

Ain't that the truth, CHB and I'll be in Hilltown tomorrow morning to take it all in and with a ticket for the game as well compliments of the Chicago Wolfe Tones GFC. Besides Tommy isn't your sister married to a Hilltown man?
Mrs. redandblack4ever
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on September 14, 2010, 04:26:19 PM
MFC Final

Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on September 14, 2010, 04:28:08 PM
An Riocht club looking extraordinary with their flags, buntings, and photos of the 4 kingdom fellas, hope to god Sam will maybe be making an appearance there in the not so distance future :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 14, 2010, 04:44:08 PM
Quote from: kinghen on September 14, 2010, 01:42:29 AM
Quote from: Leo on September 14, 2010, 12:37:44 AM
Time for Sam?

Have a look at the thread on "Show your Suport" Not as much time for Sam as you might expect.
Really poor response from many areas in Down inclding Mayobridge, Kilcoo & Hilltown - the so-called "heart" ofthe GAA in Down.

Instead go look at Loughinisland, Dundrum, Annalong (yes, Annalong!).

Show Your Support? Not happening at most clubs.

Burren - the poorest display in the county.
But then there are onbly SIX Burren players in the squad.

its a bit naive to suggest that showing support for the team can be quantified by the number of flags/bunting in the town. Of course that has a big part to play in the excitement leading up to all ireland weekend and perhaps burren etc have made a poorer effort than most in this regard, but the club has continually lended support to the county team throughout the years irrespective of "success". The very geography of the burren area does not lend itself well for such decorations. Unlike most of the towns you have given credit there is no town centre in burren as such, with not much else only the chapel and the football field.  I may be coming across overly defensive here and I do agree to an extent that the support from such areas may not be as visual, but I just want to point out that the team and especially those representing burren have the backing of every gael in the locality.

I believe Burren are one of only two clubs that have sold their target level of club down membership to date along with numerous other generous backings from local businessmen. They have also been more than accommodating to the down squad with regards to the use of training facilities including the field, the ice baths and the gym. I also know that a number of burren men were highly involved in the recent golf day which raised much needed funds in the run up to the final, and not least over the course of the year have seen 8 of their players wear the county colours a fact that brings pride to every burren person I know.

the club will be represented in force next sunday and  the support will be unquestioned!!

I personally would like to wish dan, deccy, kevin, anton and cathal the best of luck along with their fellow county men. I hope we will all be celebrating another famous victory for the men in red and black next weekend.

an dun abu

Dundrum being the other :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on September 14, 2010, 06:33:31 PM
MFC Final

Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 14, 2010, 07:20:46 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on September 14, 2010, 06:33:31 PM
MFC Final

Kilcoo v Rostrevor

same for me please!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 14, 2010, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on September 14, 2010, 07:20:46 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on September 14, 2010, 06:33:31 PM
MFC Final

Kilcoo v Rostrevor

same for me please!!!!!!!!!

Plus one. great motivation for Rostrevor this,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on September 14, 2010, 07:50:45 PM
MFC Final

Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 14, 2010, 07:58:15 PM
MFC Final (Not on Friday 17th now)

Kilcoo v Rostrevor


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on September 14, 2010, 08:20:28 PM

MFC Final

Kilcoo v Rostrevor

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 14, 2010, 10:09:59 PM
Why's the minor match off?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 14, 2010, 11:14:53 PM
MFC Final

Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 15, 2010, 12:06:07 AM
Quote from: redandblack4ever on September 14, 2010, 03:57:09 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on September 14, 2010, 12:49:18 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 14, 2010, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: CHB1 on September 14, 2010, 10:02:20 AM
Hilltown has flags and bunting up along the road at the football pitch with bunting up in the village itself.

Also a sign of 'up down' has been placed on a mountain with another in progress on the hen mountain.

Its not just about putting flags up, its about the vocal support on the day and Hilltown along with every other club in Down will be well represented in Croke Park on the day cheering on the players.

I hope Clonduff is not trying to claim the Edentrumley mountain in Mayobridge which has a sign "up down" which was organised by a prominent board member and done by members of the Mayobridge club ;D ;)

You can keep Eduntrumley Tommy, Clonduff have plenty of their own hills and mountains to decorate!!

Ain't that the truth, CHB and I'll be in Hilltown tomorrow morning to take it all in and with a ticket for the game as well compliments of the Chicago Wolfe Tones GFC. Besides Tommy isn't your sister married to a Hilltown man?
Mrs. redandblack4ever

I have plenty of ties to Clonduff, though i still drive with my eyes close through it  :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on September 15, 2010, 12:25:32 AM
MFC Final

Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 15, 2010, 10:49:23 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 14, 2010, 10:09:59 PM
Why's the minor match off?

I heard it was a request from Kilcoo because Jerome has 2 sons playing and Aidan Brannigan has a brother playing and they want to be able to watch the match. If it was on Friday they would not be able to as Down are obviously in the middle of something  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on September 15, 2010, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 15, 2010, 12:06:07 AM
Quote from: redandblack4ever on September 14, 2010, 03:57:09 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on September 14, 2010, 12:49:18 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 14, 2010, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: CHB1 on September 14, 2010, 10:02:20 AM
Hilltown has flags and bunting up along the road at the football pitch with bunting up in the village itself.

Also a sign of 'up down' has been placed on a mountain with another in progress on the hen mountain.


Its not just about putting flags up, its about the vocal support on the day and Hilltown along with every other club in Down will be well represented in Croke Park on the day cheering on the players.

I hope Clonduff is not trying to claim the Edentrumley mountain in Mayobridge which has a sign "up down" which was organised by a prominent board member and done by members of the Mayobridge club ;D ;)

You can keep Eduntrumley Tommy, Clonduff have plenty of their own hills and mountains to decorate!!

Ain't that the truth, CHB and I'll be in Hilltown tomorrow morning to take it all in and with a ticket for the game as well compliments of the Chicago Wolfe Tones GFC. Besides Tommy isn't your sister married to a Hilltown man?
Mrs. redandblack4ever

I have plenty of ties to Clonduff, though i still drive with my eyes close through it  :D :D

I'd say you do Tommy as you might not want to see the things people are tempted to throw at you!! Many a Hilltown man would donate their lotto winnings to build a bypass around mayobridge so they have a more scenic trip to Newry!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 15, 2010, 01:22:10 PM
Any posters at the down breakfast this morning any reports how it went? I read yesterday there was 600+ tickets sold. That is really good numbers for £40 a head, fair play to the organisers in managing to gather those sort of figures!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MCMLX on September 15, 2010, 01:57:22 PM
Down referees have come in for praise after handing over their match expenses to the Down football team's training fund.

The Mourne County referees have contributed about EUR3,000 to the training fund ahead of Sunday's All-Ireland football final against Cork at Croke Park.

Both the Down county board and team captain Ambrose Rogers have thanked the match officials for their generosity in assisting the county's All-Ireland bid.

Meanwhile a breakfast forum in Newry's Canal Court Hotel tomorrow morning has been sold out. Tickets costing ₤40 have been bought by 600 guests.

And last weekend, a reported ₤40,000 was raised from the staging of a golf classic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 15, 2010, 01:59:43 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 15, 2010, 01:22:10 PM
Any posters at the down breakfast this morning any reports how it went? I read yesterday there was 600+ tickets sold. That is really good numbers for £40 a head, fair play to the organisers in managing to gather those sort of figures!

A mate of mine was there. He was at table number 73 and there were ten to a table. I heard that it was absolutley packed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on September 15, 2010, 03:11:46 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 15, 2010, 01:59:43 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 15, 2010, 01:22:10 PM
Any posters at the down breakfast this morning any reports how it went? I read yesterday there was 600+ tickets sold. That is really good numbers for £40 a head, fair play to the organisers in managing to gather those sort of figures!

A mate of mine was there. He was at table number 73 and there were ten to a table. I heard that it was absolutley packed

They said there were 706 at it. Austin O'Callaghan fired a few questions at Danny Hughes, James McCartan and Ronan Murtagh, then there was a bit of a break followed by Austin firing off more questions this time at Damien Rafferty, Paddy Tally and Benny Coutler. All gentle stuff but enjoyable after breakfast. Done and dusted by 9.30.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 15, 2010, 04:13:13 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on September 15, 2010, 03:11:46 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 15, 2010, 01:59:43 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 15, 2010, 01:22:10 PM
Any posters at the down breakfast this morning any reports how it went? I read yesterday there was 600+ tickets sold. That is really good numbers for £40 a head, fair play to the organisers in managing to gather those sort of figures!

A mate of mine was there. He was at table number 73 and there were ten to a table. I heard that it was absolutley packed

They said there were 706 at it. Austin O'Callaghan fired a few questions at Danny Hughes, James McCartan and Ronan Murtagh, then there was a bit of a break followed by Austin firing off more questions this time at Damien Rafferty, Paddy Tally and Benny Coutler. All gentle stuff but enjoyable after breakfast. Done and dusted by 9.30.

Brilliant sell-out event, very slick, two rooms packed and linked by TV with discussion panels in each room. And a bloody good breakfast as well. Great effort by the organisers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 15, 2010, 04:43:47 PM
Kilcoo v Rostrevor

Jeas someone has to go for Rostrevor! Are kilcoo that much of hot favourites? Rostrevor always have good youth set up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 15, 2010, 05:03:53 PM
According to Sean Og this afternoon, there are no plans for a 3rd allocation of tickets.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 15, 2010, 05:36:28 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on September 15, 2010, 04:43:47 PM
Kilcoo v Rostrevor

Jeas someone has to go for Rostrevor! Are kilcoo that much of hot favourites? Rostrevor always have good youth set up!

Just the two of us!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on September 15, 2010, 06:10:22 PM
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on September 15, 2010, 07:30:13 PM
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 15, 2010, 08:52:28 PM
Rostrevor for me :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 15, 2010, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on September 15, 2010, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 15, 2010, 12:06:07 AM
Quote from: redandblack4ever on September 14, 2010, 03:57:09 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on September 14, 2010, 12:49:18 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 14, 2010, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: CHB1 on September 14, 2010, 10:02:20 AM
Hilltown has flags and bunting up along the road at the football pitch with bunting up in the village itself.

Also a sign of 'up down' has been placed on a mountain with another in progress on the hen mountain.


Its not just about putting flags up, its about the vocal support on the day and Hilltown along with every other club in Down will be well represented in Croke Park on the day cheering on the players.

I hope Clonduff is not trying to claim the Edentrumley mountain in Mayobridge which has a sign "up down" which was organised by a prominent board member and done by members of the Mayobridge club ;D ;)

You can keep Eduntrumley Tommy, Clonduff have plenty of their own hills and mountains to decorate!!

Ain't that the truth, CHB and I'll be in Hilltown tomorrow morning to take it all in and with a ticket for the game as well compliments of the Chicago Wolfe Tones GFC. Besides Tommy isn't your sister married to a Hilltown man?
Mrs. redandblack4ever

I have plenty of ties to Clonduff, though i still drive with my eyes close through it  :D :D

I'd say you do Tommy as you might not want to see the things people are tempted to throw at you!! Many a Hilltown man would donate their lotto winnings to build a bypass around mayobridge so they have a more scenic trip to Newry!!!!!

We are having a whip round to get that bypass started..:)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 15, 2010, 09:10:04 PM
Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 15, 2010, 09:47:38 PM
How much are Hill 16 tickets and are the co board charging pound for Euro on them as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 15, 2010, 10:12:34 PM
Quote from: wavesofTORRES on September 12, 2010, 09:24:44 PMI may know more than you think re Co.Board set up etc. so dont make assumptions my friend.McCormick is a gael like so many but hes also a professional, so wise up. What a user name says about anyone god only knows. Far be it  from me to assume that yours indicates a gullible streak ye boy ye.


Nah. Your so far off the mark its seriously not funny.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 15, 2010, 10:19:54 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 15, 2010, 09:47:38 PM
How much are Hill 16 tickets and are the co board charging pound for Euro on them as well?

Yeh £35!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 15, 2010, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 15, 2010, 10:19:54 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 15, 2010, 09:47:38 PM
How much are Hill 16 tickets and are the co board charging pound for Euro on them as well?

Yeh £35!

Nah, £40
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 15, 2010, 10:23:36 PM
Good articles in the reporter wobbler and mid down Gael! Make for good reading.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 15, 2010, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 15, 2010, 10:21:29 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 15, 2010, 10:19:54 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 15, 2010, 09:47:38 PM
How much are Hill 16 tickets and are the co board charging pound for Euro on them as well?

Yeh £35!

Nah, £40


They were £35 from our club I think and £70 for stand
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: batman on September 15, 2010, 10:30:02 PM
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on September 15, 2010, 11:09:17 PM
40 pound in our club for a hill ticket
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on September 16, 2010, 12:16:14 AM
got a ticket for the nally terracing there, can someone tell me, is the nally blocked off from the hill?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 16, 2010, 12:51:08 AM
Yeh it is!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 16, 2010, 08:26:48 AM
Quote from: st pauls mcgrath on September 16, 2010, 12:16:14 AM
got a ticket for the nally terracing there, can someone tell me, is the nally blocked off from the hill?

Aye, The Nally Stand its totally segagated from the Hill by a distance of some 130miles.

I thinl you'll find you are in the Davin, where the Nally used to be.  It too is segrated from the Hhill
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 16, 2010, 09:25:44 AM
The Davin is at the opposite end of the field from the Hill and Nally. It used to be called the Canal Terrace you clown!

If you had have been prepared to give us a hand distributing the tickets the other night you would know this! Instead of standing in the queue sending me text messages about how slow we were!  ;D

The Nally is separated from the Hill. The terracing isn't as steep so it's more suitable for kids.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 16, 2010, 09:38:46 AM
Lads the Nally Stand is now situated in Carrickmore now? I assume that what ITOB was hinting at  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 16, 2010, 10:30:53 AM
Aye, I know what he was at but its still called the Nally in Croke Pk. The old Hogan Stand was recycled and used to build a bridge in Poland. It doesn't mean the Hoagan Stand is in Poland!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 16, 2010, 04:27:34 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 16, 2010, 09:25:44 AM
The Davin is at the opposite end of the field from the Hill and Nally. It used to be called the Canal Terrace you clown!

If you had have been prepared to give us a hand distributing the tickets the other night you would know this! Instead of standing in the queue sending me text messages about how slow we were!  ;D

The Nally is separated from the Hill. The terracing isn't as steep so it's more suitable for kids.

You tell him Lecale  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 16, 2010, 05:22:47 PM
BBC Sport will broadcast live from Rostrevor tomorrow evening.  Austin O' Callaghan will host the sports news at 6.30pm and it will feature interviews with All Ireland winning captains from previous years.  All are welcome to come and observe and are encouraged to wear their red and black and wave their flags.  Onlookers are asked to gather from 6.15pm on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 16, 2010, 06:16:35 PM
looking forward to Kilcoo and Mayobridge in Newry tonight at 8.. the game on saturday past was exciting and I hope the magpies win because of the stupid celebrations from the Bridge fans when they equalised in the last kick.. cockiest club in history!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on September 16, 2010, 06:26:43 PM
whats wrong with celebrating a goal with the last kick to equalise a semi final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 16, 2010, 07:05:59 PM
no need for people along your line to run on the pitch like lunatics!! Move over the bridge, the magpies and Burren are the future!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on September 16, 2010, 08:49:21 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 16, 2010, 08:26:48 AM
Quote from: st pauls mcgrath on September 16, 2010, 12:16:14 AM
got a ticket for the nally terracing there, can someone tell me, is the nally blocked off from the hill?

Aye, The Nally Stand its totally segagated from the Hill by a distance of some 130miles.

I thinl you'll find you are in the Davin, where the Nally used to be.  It too is segrated from the Hhill

i'll never trust a bredagh man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on September 16, 2010, 09:57:10 PM
mayobridge won tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on September 16, 2010, 09:58:18 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 16, 2010, 07:05:59 PM
no need for people along your line to run on the pitch like lunatics!! Move over the bridge, the magpies and Burren are the future!!
we will see
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on September 16, 2010, 10:30:26 PM
I didn see any fans running onto the field. Anyway being from newry u wudn no to much about ur team getting into a final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 16, 2010, 10:36:10 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 16, 2010, 07:05:59 PM
no need for people along your line to run on the pitch like lunatics!! Move over the bridge, the magpies and Burren are the future!!

What a F*****g tool!! It shows how much you know about football. Mayobridge 2nds have just beat both these teams you have mentioned above. The Bridge had a great attitude over the last four games, never stopped until the final whistle. Even with the referees firmly again them in all four matches i've seen. Even the Kilcoo supporters beside us couldn't believe some of the decisions tonight!
So you keep writing your silly little comments and we'll keep on winning! Is that cocky enough for you??

Over the two games Kilcoo had some great young lads. Jerome Johnstone, Cillian Laverty and Darragh OHanlon were very good but that Ryan Johnstone is one star for the future. Class act!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on September 16, 2010, 10:42:38 PM
Was at the match in Newry tonight, thought the ref was fair enough to both teams. Mayobridge edged it with strength and experience. My first post! i'd like to wish the Down players and management best of luck on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 16, 2010, 10:45:45 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on September 16, 2010, 10:36:10 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 16, 2010, 07:05:59 PM
no need for people along your line to run on the pitch like lunatics!! Move over the bridge, the magpies and Burren are the future!!

What a F*****g tool!! It shows how much you know about football. Mayobridge 2nds have just beat both these teams you have mentioned above. The Bridge had a great attitude over the last four games, never stopped until the final whistle. Even with the referees firmly again them in all four matches i've seen. Even the Kilcoo supporters beside us couldn't believe some of the decisions tonight!
So you keep writing your silly little comments and we'll keep on winning! Is that cocky enough for you??

Over the two games Kilcoo had some great young lads. Jerome Johnstone, Cillian Laverty and Darragh OHanlon were very good but that Ryan Johnstone is one star for the future. Class act!

you have named some good young players there Bridge, I have seen a lot of these young bucks over the years, and the potential is fantastic, all part of an outstanding team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 16, 2010, 11:33:58 PM
who do the bridge play in the premium reserve championship final??

they just keep producing the talent dont they!!  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on September 16, 2010, 11:37:21 PM
think its the kingdom
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 16, 2010, 11:43:42 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 16, 2010, 10:45:45 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on September 16, 2010, 10:36:10 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 16, 2010, 07:05:59 PM
no need for people along your line to run on the pitch like lunatics!! Move over the bridge, the magpies and Burren are the future!!

What a F*****g tool!! It shows how much you know about football. Mayobridge 2nds have just beat both these teams you have mentioned above. The Bridge had a great attitude over the last four games, never stopped until the final whistle. Even with the referees firmly again them in all four matches i've seen. Even the Kilcoo supporters beside us couldn't believe some of the decisions tonight!
So you keep writing your silly little comments and we'll keep on winning! Is that cocky enough for you??

Over the two games Kilcoo had some great young lads. Jerome Johnstone, Cillian Laverty and Darragh OHanlon were very good but that Ryan Johnstone is one star for the future. Class act!

you have named some good young players there Bridge, I have seen a lot of these young bucks over the years, and the potential is fantastic, all part of an outstanding team

Well done to the bridge on thier win tonight. Very little seperated the sides with the Bridges experience proving decisive. Kilcoo had a very young side relying heavily on 8 minors but really missed the boat on both occassions.
Dont get me started on the referee tonight, terrible for both teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on September 17, 2010, 12:08:29 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 16, 2010, 11:33:58 PM
who do the bridge play in the premium reserve championship final??

they just keep producing the talent dont they!!  ::)

Why the rolling of eyes smiley?? Whats your point there? Getting to a premier reserve final shows the strength of a senior squad. Whatever twat wrote there, 'move over the bridge' wise up. The bridge arent going to just step aside. Reminds me a bit of a few years ago when a poster said, 'Mayobridge cant challenge for ulster, they should give someone else a go'..like the bridge were just going to let someone else wi nthe championship, its not up to the bridge to step aside, its up to every other club to rise to their challenge. Great to see so many young lads on the seconds team for kilcoo MDG, always great to see young fellas having important roles on senior teams. And I dont just mean one 17yr old in corner forward, I mean a group of lads in that age bracket.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 17, 2010, 01:35:02 AM
Quote from: downjim on September 16, 2010, 07:05:59 PM
no need for people along your line to run on the pitch like lunatics!! Move over the bridge, the magpies and Burren are the future!!

We dont intend to move over yet ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 17, 2010, 08:08:11 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 17, 2010, 01:35:02 AM
Quote from: downjim on September 16, 2010, 07:05:59 PM
no need for people along your line to run on the pitch like lunatics!! Move over the bridge, the magpies and Burren are the future!!

We dont intend to move over yet ;D ;D

You should stop your crowing O'Hare.. that mouth of yours never seemed to stop last night.. i wonder were you get it from :D :D Hard luck Kilcoo.. yous were the better team.. the bridge had to pull a 47 year old from the bench to steady their ship!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on September 17, 2010, 10:05:41 AM
some brave loyal soldier stormed my 4 foot high hedge, with a complete disregard for his own safety and caring not about his own health and removed my down flag, he then flirted with danger once more and climbed the 3 foot fence of my pensioner neighbour and librated the brazen down flag flying there too, with one swoop he managed to snap the bamboo cane holding it with his bare hands. No suurender  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bellaghy_lad on September 17, 2010, 10:42:15 AM
will u down men be storming the pitch if/when u win the all ireland on sunday???  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MCMLX on September 17, 2010, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: bellaghy_lad on September 17, 2010, 10:42:15 AM
will u down men be storming the pitch if/when u win the all ireland on sunday???  :P

The All Ireland fence climbing championship starts straight after the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on September 17, 2010, 12:53:04 PM
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 17, 2010, 01:22:16 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on September 17, 2010, 12:08:29 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 16, 2010, 11:33:58 PM
who do the bridge play in the premium reserve championship final??

they just keep producing the talent dont they!!  ::)

Why the rolling of eyes smiley?? Whats your point there? Getting to a premier reserve final shows the strength of a senior squad. Whatever t**t wrote there, 'move over the bridge' wise up. The bridge arent going to just step aside. Reminds me a bit of a few years ago when a poster said, 'Mayobridge cant challenge for ulster, they should give someone else a go'..like the bridge were just going to let someone else wi nthe championship, its not up to the bridge to step aside, its up to every other club to rise to their challenge. Great to see so many young lads on the seconds team for kilcoo MDG, always great to see young fellas having important roles on senior teams. And I dont just mean one 17yr old in corner forward, I mean a group of lads in that age bracket.

Sorry earlylord, think you have misunderstood me. I was rollin eyes as if to say not another batch coming through !! They have dominated down football for the past decade and IMO will continue to do so for at least another few.

The bridge are the team to beat this year. Anyway my question has still not been answered WHO ARE THE BRIDGE FACING IN THE FINAL?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bellaghy_lad on September 17, 2010, 01:40:55 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 17, 2010, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: bellaghy_lad on September 17, 2010, 10:42:15 AM
will u down men be storming the pitch if/when u win the all ireland on sunday???  :P

The All Ireland fence climbing championship starts straight after the game.

lol, good man. dont let them ruin the occassion for yiz. i will be there in the nally supporting you all the way!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on September 17, 2010, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: superblues on September 16, 2010, 11:37:21 PM
think its the kingdom
Your question has been answered redandblackareback....the bridge play the kingdom (An Riocht) in the premier reserve Championship Final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tree tops on September 17, 2010, 04:22:05 PM
best wishes to Down and Tyrone on Sunday from the Gaels of Dungiven!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on September 17, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
Couldn believe it too lads, when at the game, Mickey was down on the ground and someone shouted, 'Get him off the f**k, shouldn be on the field anyway, he's useless!'...You really have to question someones footballing knowledge, and eyesight, if they think Mickey Linden is shite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 17, 2010, 07:32:38 PM
Well done to the Club Down people who turned up at Aughlisnafin school today with a boot load of bunting and gear to replace the stuff vandalised the day before.
Class is permanent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 17, 2010, 07:44:34 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 17, 2010, 07:32:38 PM
Well done to the Club Down people who turned up at Aughlisnafin school today with a boot load of bunting and gear to replace the stuff vandalised the day before.
Class is permanent.

what happened to the original stuff leo?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 17, 2010, 08:22:12 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 17, 2010, 07:44:34 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 17, 2010, 07:32:38 PM
Well done to the Club Down people who turned up at Aughlisnafin school today with a boot load of bunting and gear to replace the stuff vandalised the day before.
Class is permanent.

what happened to the original stuff leo?

Apparently vandalised overnight, possibly by those lovely neighbours up the road who sport thr Cork colours with a touch of blue on the road to Newcastle. Saw an item on it in yesterday's Irish News,  thrashed bunting, sad faces. Glad it turned out ok for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 17, 2010, 08:44:19 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 17, 2010, 08:22:12 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 17, 2010, 07:44:34 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 17, 2010, 07:32:38 PM
Well done to the Club Down people who turned up at Aughlisnafin school today with a boot load of bunting and gear to replace the stuff vandalised the day before.
Class is permanent.

what happened to the original stuff leo?


Apparently vandalised overnight, possibly by those lovely neighbours up the road who sport thr Cork colours with a touch of blue on the road to Newcastle. Saw an item on it in yesterday's Irish News,  thrashed bunting, sad faces. Glad it turned out ok for them.

A sign we had in the village wishing paul and the team also got the works last night   >:(
Have to pity the ignorance of some people in a neighbouring village, who can't distinguish between sport and politics.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 17, 2010, 08:51:33 PM
Down unchanged for final with the exception of Benny and Paul in positional switch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on September 17, 2010, 08:56:05 PM
You only have to listen to the UUP leadership candidate Tom Elliott's answers to Down's quest for Sam on todays TalkBack program & that will enlighten you to the bitterness that would appear to be bread into these scummy b@stards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on September 18, 2010, 12:31:12 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on September 17, 2010, 08:56:05 PM
You only have to listen to the UUP leadership candidateTom Elliott's answers to Down's quest for Sam on todays TalkBack program & that will enlighten you to the bitterness that would appear to be bread into these scummy b@stards.
Tom Elliot is a dinosaur, never heard interviw today but i can imagie what it was like going by Fridays Irish news.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Squareball71 on September 18, 2010, 10:03:29 AM

Everyone got tickets??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 18, 2010, 12:43:38 PM
Did anyone hear that effin pillock Jim Wells going mad because Ulster Bank staff in Castlewellan wore Down jerseys yesterday?
That's what we are up against.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MCMLX on September 18, 2010, 12:46:10 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 18, 2010, 12:43:38 PM
Did anyone hear that effin pillock Jim Wells going mad because Ulster Bank staff in Castlewellan wore Down jerseys yesterday?
That's what we are up against.

He is also moaning about the Down flags in Kilkeel. I take it he wont be going to the game then.  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the derg on September 18, 2010, 01:03:49 PM
there was something really sad about the aughlisnafin story  but i was really touched by the fact benny and club down went out of their way to replace the bunting and flags makes you proud to be a gael and shows the family/community spirit that is somehow unique in the gaa well done to all !! ps admire the fin from afar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on September 18, 2010, 01:59:50 PM
buntings and flags being vandalised all week in kilkeel but being replaced every morning by locals. great community spirit despite vandalism. last night seemed quiet as i seen cops chasing young loyalist hoodies in newry st area. were trying to take flags down from outside Brendys house
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on September 18, 2010, 03:56:44 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 18, 2010, 12:46:10 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 18, 2010, 12:43:38 PM
Did anyone hear that effin pillock Jim Wells going mad because Ulster Bank staff in Castlewellan wore Down jerseys yesterday?
That's what we are up against.

He is also moaning about the Down flags in Kilkeel. I take it he wont be going to the game then.  ::)
I wouldn't pass any remarks on the like of ,Jim Wells it just shows you the brains the man has when he still  associate politics and sport in the one bracket , and fair play to who ever runs the bank in Castlewellan to allow the staff to wear their colours
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on September 18, 2010, 06:08:54 PM
Wells never fails to let himself and others down,he really is the salt of the earth, UP DOWN!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MCMLX on September 18, 2010, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: 13aside on September 18, 2010, 06:08:54 PM
Wells never fails to let himself and others down,he really is the scum of the earth, UP DOWN!!!

efa
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on September 18, 2010, 09:14:02 PM
Is it just me or does it feel like a christmas eve?cant wait for 2mrw,want to wish the down team all the best.According to my crystal ball down will win by 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 18, 2010, 09:16:05 PM
Fri Sept 24th Pairc Esler(6 30)
Morgan Milk RFC Final
Rostrevor v Warrenpoint(P Mc Cartan)
Morgan Milk ACPRFC Final
An Riocht v Mayobridge(D Ryan)
Sat Sept 25th(4 00)
O Neills ACFL Div 1
Kilcoo v Clonduff(C Reynolds)
Longstone v Liatroim(C Brannigan)
An Riocht v Rostrevor(G Corrigan)
Burren v Castlewellan(D Moore)
Mayobridge v Bryansford(D Laverty)
O Neills ACFL Div 2
Clann na Banna v Downpatrick(N Cousins)
Ballymartin v Tullylish(G Tumelty)
Warrenpoint v Shamrocks(J Burns)
Kilclief v Saval(S O Hanlon)
Ballyholland v Annaclone(L Morgan)
Loughinisland v Atticall(O Burke)
O Neills ACFL Div 3
Glenn v Glasdrumman(B Rice)
Saul v St Johns(S Lowey)
Sunday 26th Sept(2 00)
O Neills ACPRL Div 1
Bryansford v Castlewellan
Mayobridge v An Riocht
Loughinisland v Burren
Saval v Clonduff
Rostrevor v Kilcoo
O Neills ACPRL Div 2
Annaclone v Tullylish
Clann na Banna  Downpatrick
Ballymartin v Liatroim
Ballyholland v Bredagh
St Johns v Carryduff
Morgan Milk Senior Hurling Final
Portaferry(3 00)
Ballycran v Ballygalget(HP Mc Cusker)
Around a Pound Intermediate Football Replay
Downpatrick(3 00) Extra Time if Necessary
Dundrum v Carryduff(P Brannigan)
O Neills ACFL Div 4 Final
Castlewellan(1 30)
Mitchels v Teconnaught(A Grant)
Around a Pound Junior Football Semi Finals
Extra Time if Necessary
Castlewellan(3 00)
Bright v St John Bosco(P Toner)
Newcastle(3 00)
Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn(M Rawlinson)


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on September 18, 2010, 09:26:02 PM
Bridge and kingdom seconds play on friday then sunday again with a senior game in between, wat a joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 18, 2010, 09:40:01 PM
I guess you'd rather be playing the leagues out in December then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 18, 2010, 10:39:45 PM
Quote from: No hoper on September 18, 2010, 09:26:02 PM
Bridge and kingdom seconds play on friday then sunday again with a senior game in between, wat a joke

Catch a grip!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 18, 2010, 11:04:10 PM
To all on this thread.Have a great day tomorrow in Dublin regardless of the outcome and I hope we bring Sam home. 

Regardless of the result tomorrow is about the great game. Bear in mind that its not only our players that represent the County, we, the fans, do as well. 

If we win do it with with grace and if we lose do it in the same manner.  Be Gael-like and friendly to you the Cork folk you will meet.
Down are rightly a prouid GAA county and I hate to see assholes wearing red&black damaging what we are.  Keep the flag flying. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on September 18, 2010, 11:59:35 PM
Well said Onion Bag
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MCMLX on September 19, 2010, 12:25:24 AM
Well said indeed onion. Win lose or draw tomorrow we should stay on to the bitter end and show our appreciation for this Down team. They have put the pride back into Down football again. Regardless of tomorrows result we are back and should be around for the next few years.
See you all in Dublin in the morning. I`m not going to get much sleep.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 19, 2010, 12:50:59 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 18, 2010, 11:04:10 PM
To all on this thread.Have a great day tomorrow in Dublin regardless of the outcome and I hope we bring Sam home. 

Regardless of the result tomorrow is about the great game. Bear in mind that its not only our players that represent the County, we, the fans, do as well. 

If we win do it with with grace and if we lose do it in the same manner.  Be Gael-like and friendly to you the Cork folk you will meet.
Down are rightly a prouid GAA county and I hate to see assholes wearing red&black damaging what we are.  Keep the flag flying.
Here here, anyone is there to represent their club, county and province so do it with pride.

Drink sensibly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on September 19, 2010, 08:06:17 AM
Hope everyone has a great day at Croker,gets home safe and enjovs this wonderfully  unique occasion in Irish sport,making room for an extra passenger on the way home  who will be very welcome,he wont say a word, is a shing example to the GAA,and will be the talk of the country(and town)--UP DOWN-DOWN FOR SAM!!! By the way that great Kildare footballer Larry Tomkins reckons the match will be over by half-time and he can go for a pint at the interval--THINK ON
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lenny on September 19, 2010, 09:02:23 PM
Gutted. Why was mccomiskey taken off, thought he was having a great game. Just lost out too badly in the middle third.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 19, 2010, 11:13:22 PM
They done us proud and didn't let us down- I hope all true Down Gaels come out tomorrow and welcome the boys home as they have given us a summer we never believed we would have!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dún Dún on September 19, 2010, 11:46:17 PM
Great to see Down flags on the Ormeau road around Rosetta.

Wonder how long before some dickhead takes them down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on September 20, 2010, 02:04:56 AM
Get out tomorrow night lads and give our team a rousing reception home, we owe them that much, they done us proud
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hillbilly on September 20, 2010, 08:43:27 AM
Quote from: lenny on September 19, 2010, 09:02:23 PM
Gutted. Why was mccomiskey taken off, thought he was having a great game. Just lost out too badly in the middle third.
lenny,Down were great .  I sat home in Derry and watched the 2 games on tv but would agree with you about mccomiskey and poland i would have taken off j clarke and put big Dan up to FF for the last 10 but thats football,so lenny its could be worse you could be a Derryman ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on September 20, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
How were benny and McVeigh left out of the RTE team of the year? Unbelievable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on September 20, 2010, 12:09:56 PM
Well done to St Johns who won the junior 7s at St Judes on saturday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MCMLX on September 20, 2010, 01:05:44 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 20, 2010, 02:04:56 AM
Get out tomorrow night lads and give our team a rousing reception home, we owe them that much, they done us proud

We`re all still proud of what these lads have achieved, I hope that we get a good turn out this evening in Newry and Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 20, 2010, 01:11:30 PM
Wat time are the team coming through newry??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MCMLX on September 20, 2010, 01:12:50 PM
Pairc Esler @ 6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on September 20, 2010, 01:22:46 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 20, 2010, 01:05:44 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 20, 2010, 02:04:56 AM
Get out tomorrow night lads and give our team a rousing reception home, we owe them that much, they done us proud

We`re all still proud of what these lads have achieved, I hope that we get a good turn out this evening in Newry and Castlewellan

There will be a lot of fans out tonight. In my opine they will be the true fans. The band wagon jumpers and the "fans" who got tickets from clubs and sold them for a profit will be at home. So well done lads true Gael's our proud off what you done and we will be out in force tonight.

An Dun Abu
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on September 20, 2010, 01:45:45 PM
Quote from: Banna Man on September 20, 2010, 01:22:46 PM
Quote from: MCMLX on September 20, 2010, 01:05:44 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 20, 2010, 02:04:56 AM
Get out tomorrow night lads and give our team a rousing reception home, we owe them that much, they done us proud

We`re all still proud of what these lads have achieved, I hope that we get a good turn out this evening in Newry and Castlewellan

There will be a lot of fans out tonight. In my opine they will be the true fans. The band wagon jumpers and the "fans" who got tickets from clubs and sold them for a profit will be at home. So well done lads true Gael's our proud off what you done and we will be out in force tonight.

An Dun Abu

Got that right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 20, 2010, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on September 20, 2010, 10:39:50 AM
How were benny and McVeigh left out of the RTE team of the year? Unbelievable

john doyle as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on September 20, 2010, 08:36:48 PM
PITCH INVASION AT PAIRC ESLER!! Good tornout at Newry tonight for the returning Down team,lovely evening and the supporters allowed onto the pitchTeam captain Ambrose Rodgers spoke to the crowd as the players showed their appreciation for the support by applauding the cheering fans ,onto the Bridge,Hilltown,Kilcoo and Castlewellan before finishing in Longstone-Thanks for an amazing year and get ready for 2011 and an Ulster title(to start with).   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 20, 2010, 09:04:42 PM
Predictions league


RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 20, 2010, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 20, 2010, 09:04:42 PM
Predictions league


RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 20, 2010, 09:32:10 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on September 20, 2010, 10:28:08 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on September 20, 2010, 10:44:28 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 20, 2010, 11:20:18 PM
Unreal in the town tonight. Made me very proud to be a Down fan. Great recption from the lads. Thanks for a wonderful year to the lads, cant wait to 2011.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on September 21, 2010, 12:15:15 AM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 21, 2010, 08:58:58 AM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 21, 2010, 11:42:52 AM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on September 21, 2010, 12:02:06 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 21, 2010, 12:13:56 PM
What is the story if the down championship is not complete before the cut-off for the ulster club championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 21, 2010, 12:54:29 PM

RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on September 21, 2010, 01:00:33 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge
JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on September 21, 2010, 01:06:51 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on September 21, 2010, 02:01:21 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 21, 2010, 02:10:10 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge
JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on September 21, 2010, 02:12:20 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 21, 2010, 03:01:07 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge
JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn  


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 21, 2010, 03:05:19 PM
Predictions league,

Dont forget MFC prediction.
Some of yous have already predicted and noted.
Dont know when the game will be played.

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 21, 2010, 03:07:04 PM
MFC

Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 21, 2010, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on September 21, 2010, 02:10:10 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge
JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Quote from: umpire on September 21, 2010, 03:07:04 PM
MFC

Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 21, 2010, 04:25:13 PM
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on September 21, 2010, 04:37:19 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge
JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on September 21, 2010, 04:47:08 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo vs Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on September 21, 2010, 05:04:15 PM
RFC
Warrenpoint v Rostrevor

PRFC
An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC
Bright v St John Bosco
Drumaness v Aughlisnafin

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaUmpire on September 21, 2010, 06:08:33 PM
Quote from: cloneman on September 21, 2010, 02:12:20 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

same
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 21, 2010, 06:22:38 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 21, 2010, 12:13:56 PM
What is the story if the down championship is not complete before the cut-off for the ulster club championship?

I presume they will nominate kilcoo as holders to represent down. I heard down play winners of Derry c'ship and their final is in 2 weeks!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on September 21, 2010, 06:34:37 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on September 21, 2010, 06:38:27 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 21, 2010, 06:58:09 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on September 21, 2010, 06:34:37 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

SNAP, thank you very much!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on September 21, 2010, 06:58:50 PM
Predictions league


RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on September 21, 2010, 08:12:04 PM



RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosoc
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 21, 2010, 10:38:00 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on September 21, 2010, 10:40:09 PM
RFC
Warrenpoint v Rostrevor

PRFC
An Riocht v Mayobridge
JFC
Bright v St John Bosco -Bosco
Drumaness [/b] v Aughlisnafin - Drumaness

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor - Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: onthepitch on September 21, 2010, 11:45:03 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 21, 2010, 06:22:38 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 21, 2010, 12:13:56 PM
What is the story if the down championship is not complete before the cut-off for the ulster club championship?

I presume they will nominate kilcoo as holders to represent down. I heard down play winners of Derry c'ship and their final is in 2 weeks!

Thought I read somewhere that a county cannot nominate a club to take part in club provincial campaigns if their championship is not completed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 22, 2010, 08:26:24 AM
You can't be nominated for the Ulster championship. There will be 2 matches a week with extra time to get the club games finished by the Ulster deadline. See below from Sean Rooney:

Down Revised Fixtures

Fri Sept 24th
PRFC/RFC Finals

Sat September 25th
Around a Pound IFC Replay
Carryduff v Dundrum
ACFL Resumes

Sun September 26th
Around a Pound JFC Semi Finals
Morgan Milk Senior Hurling Final

Wed September 29th Floodlight
Morgan Milk SFC Replays

Sat/Sun Oct 2nd & 3rd
Around a Pound JFC Final
Morgan Milk& Around a Pound
Quarter Finals
ACFL Fixtures

Wed Oct 6th Oct Floodlight
Morgan Milk SFC
Quarter Finals

Sat/Sun Oct 9th 10th
Around a Pound IFC Semi Finals
ACFL Fixtures

Sat/Sun Oct 16th/17th
Around a Pound IFC Final
Morgan Milk SFC Semi Finals

Sat/Sun Oct 23rd/24th
Morgan Milk SFC
ACFL Playoffs

Sat/Sun Oct 30th/31st
ACFL Playoffs

NB
All Championship Match's ending in a Draw at the end of normal time, there will be 10 mins each way of extra time played.

Draws after extra time replays must be played on the Tues/Wed night of next week and next round to be played on the next weekend as per programme above.

Nominations are not allowed in the Ulster Club Championships so it is vital that all clubs understand and agree with the proposals above.

ACFL fixtures will be played where possible along side this programme

Club co operation to date this season has been excellent hopefully this will continue for the remainder of season



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 22, 2010, 10:10:24 AM
Does this mean no premier/reserve league matches over the next few weeks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on September 22, 2010, 10:16:38 AM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 22, 2010, 11:50:54 AM
Busy time ahead for Predictions League!!!!  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on September 22, 2010, 01:31:47 PM
MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 22, 2010, 05:03:31 PM

RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 22, 2010, 06:12:51 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor

PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 22, 2010, 06:25:16 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor

PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge
JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor

Think i already put my minor entry in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on September 22, 2010, 06:35:18 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrever
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on September 22, 2010, 06:53:40 PM
a vain attempt to catch the back markers:

RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor

PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor

Anything for a:

MFC 'B' Final:
03/10 Saul v Ballyholland

:)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 22, 2010, 08:57:33 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 21, 2010, 03:01:07 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v RostrevorPRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge
JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Kilcoo to win the minor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 22, 2010, 09:02:01 PM
all star nominantions tonight... think we ll have six nominees..

Marty C
Benny C
K King -- ?? maybe.. but hope so..!
B MC V
D Raff
D Hughes...

Any thoughts???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 22, 2010, 09:17:17 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 22, 2010, 09:02:01 PM
all star nominantions tonight... think we ll have six nominees..

Marty C
Benny C
K King -- ?? maybe.. but hope so..!
B MC V
D Raff
D Hughes...

Any thoughts???

Possibly Kevin McKernan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 22, 2010, 09:19:18 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge
JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 22, 2010, 09:36:26 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 22, 2010, 09:17:17 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 22, 2010, 09:02:01 PM
all star nominantions tonight... think we ll have six nominees..

Marty C
Benny C
K King -- ?? maybe.. but hope so..!
B MC V
D Raff
D Hughes...

Any thoughts???

Possibly Kevin McKernan

Kevin is a sure thing. He should be a cert at 6 for an all star, he is a brilliant footballer. Brendy McVeigh deserves goalkeeper, McKernan at centre half back with Benny, Marty and Danny in attack. Downs displays surely merit 5 awards, although i wouldnt bet on it, we only got 4 in 1991 and where champions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 22, 2010, 10:37:58 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on September 22, 2010, 10:16:38 AM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor

me too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on September 22, 2010, 11:07:07 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on September 23, 2010, 02:49:49 AM
RFC Final
24/09Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 23, 2010, 10:18:57 AM
Quote from: cokers on September 23, 2010, 02:49:49 AM
RFC Final
24/09Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor

Dito
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on September 23, 2010, 10:26:35 AM
RFC Final
24/09Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on September 23, 2010, 01:15:49 PM
RFC Final
24/09Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 23, 2010, 02:00:23 PM
MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on September 23, 2010, 03:14:51 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on September 22, 2010, 11:07:07 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor

Same as above hope im wrong with 1 prediction using my head instead of heart.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 23, 2010, 06:53:07 PM
Warrenpoint
Mayobridge
Bosco
Drumaness
Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on September 23, 2010, 07:34:41 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor

Busy time ahead by the looks of it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on September 23, 2010, 07:49:24 PM
MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on September 23, 2010, 08:29:10 PM
MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 23, 2010, 10:04:53 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 23, 2010, 10:17:43 PM

RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor

Have changed my mind on the minor game, after watching kilcoo 2nds i think they will easily win. Some great lads!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 23, 2010, 11:10:56 PM
souljaboy

Please reselect your selection as your message on page 1015 have not done so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on September 24, 2010, 08:34:52 AM
Warrenpoint
Mayobridge
Bosco
Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on September 24, 2010, 02:03:24 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge
JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 24, 2010, 05:14:34 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 24, 2010, 05:17:40 PM
Good luck to the Kingdom tonight.. have they ever won the PRC ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on September 24, 2010, 05:35:55 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on September 24, 2010, 02:03:24 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge
JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Fin

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor

predictions from marsbarkid, thanks umpire
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: batman on September 24, 2010, 06:47:09 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 24, 2010, 07:03:01 PM
RFC W/Point v ROSTREVOR

PRFC An Riocht v MAYBRIDGE

IFC Bright v BOSCO

IFC Drumaness v AUGHLISNAFIN

NFC KILCO V Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 24, 2010, 08:11:27 PM
RFC Final
24/09 Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
PRFC Final
24/09 An Riocht v Mayobridge

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 24, 2010, 08:12:22 PM
Carryduff v Dundrum 1st Round IFC replay in Darragh Cross tomorrow evening at 5.30pm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointlad on September 24, 2010, 08:46:55 PM
Point and Rostrevor reserve final ended in a draw,
Worst refereeing seen in a long time. Numerous free for alls along the sideline and not a card shown. Played 9 mins additional time at the end of the 2nd half. Not good for either team. Lost it for the point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 24, 2010, 10:44:02 PM
PRFC FINAL

Mayobridge 0.14 An Riocht 3.4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 24, 2010, 10:45:12 PM
What did Mickey score?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 24, 2010, 11:04:04 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 24, 2010, 10:45:12 PM
What did Mickey score?

1 point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on September 25, 2010, 03:07:21 PM
sorry im late umpire, think im out of the running but il select for the junior

JFC Semi-finals
26/09 Bright v St John Bosco
26/09 Drumaness v Aughlisnafinn

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 25, 2010, 05:15:08 PM
any scores from todays games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 25, 2010, 05:37:00 PM
ACFL Division 1

Kilcoo 1-11 Clonduff 0-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on September 25, 2010, 05:40:29 PM
just heard Glassdrumman beat Glenn in Div.3,are they into the final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on September 25, 2010, 05:45:12 PM
You weren't long posting that mid down geal! Thought the two teams held their cards in chance of a championship meeting. thats Clonduff's 1st defeat in quite a while i believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 25, 2010, 06:26:42 PM
An rioct 2-9 Rostrevor 0-8

Something like that can't be sure!

Only really three players did the scoring for both sides...Clarkes must have got about 2-8 between them, goal each and Shaun Parr scored about 0-6 for the reds
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 25, 2010, 07:35:33 PM
stone beat by four in a very very poor game, castlewellan relegated with defeat to burren, kingdom apparently looked good the replay should be interesting although i think clonduff will have too much for them.

by way has anyone got confirmed times/venues of those replays

thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: robbiegael on September 25, 2010, 08:14:02 PM
Carryduff beat Dundrum by a point in the IFC at Darragh Cross after extra-time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 25, 2010, 08:45:26 PM
Quote from: robbiegael on September 25, 2010, 08:14:02 PM
Carryduff beat Dundrum by a point in the IFC at Darragh Cross after extra-time.

0-06 each at full time.

1-10 to 0-12 at full time in extra time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 25, 2010, 08:53:04 PM
Predictons league
PRFC Final; Mayobridge 0.14 An Riocht 3.4
IFC Replay; Carryduff 1.10 Dundrum 0.12

Update league

1   18   Bearly on loose
2   17   ApresMatch
3   17   behind the wire
4   17   Johnnie99
5   16   5 Sams
6   16   batman
7   16   CHB1
8   16   cokers
9   16   conormac
10   16   Dubh driocht
11   16   Green + Gold
12   16   John Martin
13   16   Maldini
14   16   Mid Down Gael
15   16   No1
16   16   T O Hare
17   16   True Blue
18   16   westdowngael
19   15   An Cloch Scoilte
20   15   Brick Tamlin
21   15   general
22   15   knockitdown
23   15   Niall Quinn
24   15   No hoper
25   15   Out In Front
26   15   razor
27   15   Square Ball
28   14   bredaghgael88
29   14   BRIDGE LAD
30   14   DaUmpire
31   14   dodgy umpire
32   14   DownFanatic
33   14   dundrumite
34   14   Marsbarkid
35   14   meatsy86
36   14   supersub
37   14   TheClutch
38   14   umpire
39   13   down6061689194
40   13   eyeswideopen
41   13   Mourne Rover
42   13   mournerambler
43   13   souljaboy
44   13   thewobbler
45   13   western exile
46   13   When We Win
47   12   amallon
48   12   angermanagement
49   12   Cloneman
50   12   fitzroyalty
51   12   goldenyears
52   12   Hedgehunter
53   12   Idontbelieveit
54   12   Lecale2
55   12   Long Ball
56   12   Minus15
57   12   NedFlanders
58   12   RGU08
59   12   Superstar
60   12   Trap 2
61   11   Bacon
62   11   catch the high ball
63   11   DaddyLongLegs
64   11   dunroma
65   11   Maiden1
66   11   off the laces
67   11   sabhalphadrig
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 26, 2010, 11:45:03 AM
Quote from: pointlad on September 24, 2010, 08:46:55 PM
Point and Rostrevor reserve final ended in a draw,
Worst refereeing seen in a long time. Numerous free for alls along the sideline and not a card shown. Played 9 mins additional time at the end of the 2nd half. Not good for either team. Lost it for the point.

Heard Caolan Mooney came on and rescued it for our 3rds with a point at the end!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on September 26, 2010, 01:28:15 PM
With Glassdrumman winnin they finish league top. Darragh Cross and Drumgath need one win from their last 3 games to secure play-off places, that is providing Glenn win all their remaining games.

Although the top teams will not need points they will prob need to finish theyre fixtures bcos its very tight at the bottom. Drumaness are gone but anyone could finish in next couple of places, although favourites are Saul, Bosco and Bredagh for me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 26, 2010, 06:16:19 PM
A well deserved win by our lads today, 3-19 to 1-13. Big magic and wee danny were unstoppable. There'll be a few fizzy drinks consumed tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on September 26, 2010, 06:16:37 PM
Anyone know the result of the Mitchels Teconnaught match??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 26, 2010, 06:42:39 PM
Quote from: Wee Shea on September 26, 2010, 06:16:37 PM
Anyone know the result of the Mitchels Teconnaught match??

2-9 to 0-15 after extra time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on September 26, 2010, 06:53:45 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 26, 2010, 06:42:39 PM
Quote from: Wee Shea on September 26, 2010, 06:16:37 PM
Anyone know the result of the Mitchels Teconnaught match??

2-9 to 0-15 after extra time

Cheers CV.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 26, 2010, 08:03:16 PM
Junior semi results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on September 26, 2010, 08:04:49 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 26, 2010, 06:16:19 PM
A well deserved win by our lads today, 3-19 to 1-13. Big magic and wee danny were unstoppable. There'll be a few fizzy drinks consumed tonight

Jaysus johnny, wasn't expecting such a big win (thought Crans would win tbh) galgets must have been up for it big time. Them vs guile: wat do you think?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 26, 2010, 08:42:26 PM
Magic was unbelievable, Crans had no answer to him. They tried 4 men on him but no use. An easy win for Ballygalget in the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 26, 2010, 08:47:16 PM
Both Crans & Galget dished up a great game, esp the 1st half.  Cran had no answer to Magic and Galget clearly wanted it more.  They seemed much more mobile that the Crans.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 26, 2010, 08:56:52 PM
Quote from: Wee Shea on September 26, 2010, 06:53:45 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 26, 2010, 06:42:39 PM
Quote from: Wee Shea on September 26, 2010, 06:16:37 PM
Anyone know the result of the Mitchels Teconnaught match??

2-9 to 0-15 after extra time

Cheers CV.


I am baffled by ya

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 26, 2010, 09:43:38 PM
Tues Sept 28th Newcastle(7 45)
Morgan Milk Senior Championship
Clonduff v An Riocht(B Rice)


Wed Sept 29th Pairc Esler(7 45)
Morgan Milk Senior Championship
Bryansford v Castlewellan(C Reynolds)


Fri Oct 1st Mayobridge(7 45)
Morgan Milk Senior Championship
Burren v Ballyholland(D Laverty)


Sat Oct 2nd Castlewellan(2 00)
Around a Pound Intermediate Championship
Annaclone v Darragh Cross(G Tumelty)
Newcastle(3 30)
Kilclief v Tullylish(D Brogan)
Downpatrick(4 00)
Carryduff v Glenn(P Toner)
Morgan Milk Reserve Championship Final Replay
Ballyholland(4 00)
Warrenpoint v Rostrevor(G Brennan)
Morgan Milk Senior Championship
Newcastle(5 30)
Mayobridge v Longstone(C Brannigan)


Sun Oct 3rd(1 00)
O Neills ACFL Div 2
Atticall v Downpatrick(J Burns)
Loughinisland v Clann na Banna(P Brannigan)
Around a Pound Intermediate Championship
Liatroim(2 00)
Drumgath v St Johns(D Moore)
O Neills ACFL Div 4 Final Replay
Castlewellan(2 00)
Mitchels v Teconnaught(M Rawlinson)
Castlewellan(4 00)
Around a Pound Junior Championship Final
Drumaness v St John Bosco(D Cotter)
Morgan Milk Senior Championship
Burren(2 00)
Saval v Castlewellan/Bryansford(N Cousins)
Burren(4 00)
Kilcoo v Clonduff/An Riocht(G Corrigan)
Betsy Gray Cup Final
Portaferry(3 00)
Ballygalget v Ballycran
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 26, 2010, 10:26:00 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 26, 2010, 09:43:38 PM
Tues Sept 28th Newcastle(7 45)
Morgan Milk Senior Championship
Clonduff v An Riocht(B Rice)


Wed Sept 29th Pairc Esler(7 45)
Morgan Milk Senior Championship
Bryansford v Castlewellan(C Reynolds)


Fri Oct 1st Mayobridge(7 45)
Morgan Milk Senior Championship
Burren v Ballyholland(D Laverty)


Sat Oct 2nd Castlewellan(2 00)
Around a Pound Intermediate Championship
Annaclone v Darragh Cross(G Tumelty)
Newcastle(3 30)
Kilclief v Tullylish(D Brogan)
Downpatrick(4 00)
Carryduff v Glenn(P Toner)
Morgan Milk Reserve Championship Final Replay
Ballyholland(4 00)
Warrenpoint v Rostrevor(G Brennan)
Morgan Milk Senior Championship
Newcastle(5 30)
Mayobridge v Longstone(C Brannigan)


Sun Oct 3rd(1 00)
O Neills ACFL Div 2
Atticall v Downpatrick(J Burns)
Loughinisland v Clann na Banna(P Brannigan)
Around a Pound Intermediate Championship
Liatroim(2 00)
Drumgath v St Johns(D Moore)
O Neills ACFL Div 4 Final Replay
Castlewellan(2 00)
Mitchels v Teconnaught(M Rawlinson)
Castlewellan(4 00)
Around a Pound Junior Championship Final
Drumaness v St John Bosco(D Cotter)
Morgan Milk Senior Championship
Burren(2 00)
Saval v Castlewellan/Bryansford(N Cousins)
Burren(4 00)
Kilcoo v Clonduff/An Riocht(G Corrigan)
Betsy Gray Cup Final
Portaferry(3 00)
Ballygalget v Ballycran

What a great weeks action to look forward to.  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 26, 2010, 10:28:48 PM
JFC Result

Drumaness 2-12 Aughlisnafin 0-5.

Poor game where Drumaness had an easy victory over the finn who had 3 men sent off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 26, 2010, 10:44:01 PM
Predictions league update after 2 JFC semi-finals today
Both Drumaness and St John Bosco are through to next week final.

1   20   Bearly on loose
2   19   ApresMatch
3   19   behind the wire
4   19   Johnnie99
5   18   batman
6   18   CHB1
7   18   cokers
8   18   conormac
9   18   Dubh driocht
10   18   Green + Gold
11   18   John Martin
12   18   Maldini
13   18   Mid Down Gael
14   18   No1
15   18   T O Hare
16   18   True Blue
17   17   general
18   17   knockitdown
19   17   Niall Quinn
20   17   No hoper
21   17   razor
22   17   Square Ball
23   17   westdowngael
24   16   5 Sams
25   16   An Cloch Scoilte
26   16   bredaghgael88
27   16   Brick Tamlin
28   16   BRIDGE LAD
29   16   DaUmpire
30   16   dodgy umpire
31   16   DownFanatic
32   16   dundrumite
33   16   Out In Front
34   16   supersub
35   16   TheClutch
36   15   down6061689194
37   15   eyeswideopen
38   15   Marsbarkid
39   15   meatsy86
40   15   souljaboy
41   15   umpire
42   15   western exile
43   14   amallon
44   14   Cloneman
45   14   Hedgehunter
46   14   Lecale2
47   14   Minus15
48   14   Mourne Rover
49   13   Bacon
50   13   DaddyLongLegs
51   13   Maiden1
52   13   mournerambler
53   13   RGU08
54   13   sabhalphadrig
55   13   thewobbler
56   13   When We Win
57   12   angermanagement
58   12   catch the high ball
59   12   fitzroyalty
60   12   goldenyears
61   12   Idontbelieveit
62   12   Long Ball
63   12   NedFlanders
64   12   Superstar
65   12   Trap 2
66   11   dunroma
67   11   off the laces
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 26, 2010, 11:08:22 PM
Predictions league

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness

The  other 2 SFC quarter finals, wait till Thurs morning.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 26, 2010, 11:11:55 PM
Predictions league

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness

The  other 2 SFC quarter finals, wait till Thurs morning.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on September 26, 2010, 11:24:17 PM

Predictions league

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on September 26, 2010, 11:37:30 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 27, 2010, 12:01:59 AM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on September 27, 2010, 01:17:25 AM

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 27, 2010, 02:01:48 AM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 27, 2010, 07:58:25 AM
Predictions league

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 27, 2010, 08:56:47 AM
Predictions league

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on September 27, 2010, 09:20:51 AM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 27, 2010, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 26, 2010, 10:28:48 PM
JFC Result

Drumaness 2-12 Aughlisnafin 0-5.

Poor game where Drumaness had an easy victory over the finn who had 3 men sent off.

MGD your attendance rate at Down club games merits a certificate and a picture in the Mourne observer  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on September 27, 2010, 10:36:45 AM
Anyone know whats up with the Down Website. I have been trying to view the tables for a couple of weeks but the link seems to be out of date. I understand a few Down Men have been on a info holiday up to the A.I Final but life goes on and it business time in the league. Anyone know where they can be found or who has time on their hands to make a comprehensive list of all Divs :o)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on September 27, 2010, 11:20:19 AM
Predictions league

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on September 27, 2010, 11:22:07 AM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 27, 2010, 11:42:06 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 26, 2010, 08:47:16 PM
Both Crans & Galget dished up a great game, esp the 1st half.  Cran had no answer to Magic and Galget clearly wanted it more.  They seemed much more mobile that the Crans.

After stealing the game against Portaferry with a really poor performance for 45 minutes I didn't hold out much hope either but to be fair we'd a relegation battle last saturday in terrible conditions against Ballycastle and there was a marked improvement in performance and touch. That game did us the power of good even though we did lose a young lad to a broken hand.

The first 10 minutes or so there were some good points from both teams and the Crans were keeping in touch with some great long range points from midfield but once the first goal went in we took a lead that they couldn't get back, I think at half time we were 9 points up. We then got the better start after half time with a well taken goal and a few points either side of it to really open up a lead but in fairness to them they got a goal back and had a period of ascendency but never really troubled Graham that much other than a few goal mouth scrambles.

finally we got the tactics right where we got the players we wanted into the spaces where they could do damage. Stevie Clarke in particular was given far too much latitude by Paudie Flynn and he was able to turn and pick out magic and Danny and if nothing was on take his own scores after a few bad wides early on. If you can get the right ball into magic you need a dozer to stop him. Michael Ennis is a very good hurler but he was on a hiding to nothing yesterday and even when he did manage to clear a ball from Magic it was returned down to field to Magic who'd took off to the edge of the square, caught it and goaled it. That's soul destroying for a defender.

Out of our starting defence, only one played in defence last year which tells its own tale of where it was felt we went wrong last year. The lads brought in can certainly run if not the biggest but as the Crans are a very small team we got away with it. The forwards made life difficult for Ballycran to get clean posssession away and that helps the defenders contain their respective forward.

Ben Toner, Joe Smyth, Deccy McManus are 19 and Danny Toner is 18, all got their first championship final start and all done well although Deccy has a finger broken in three places and won't feature in the next game. These young lads mustn't drink enough milk nowadays.

Hopefully the bodies will drink themselves into oblivion the next few days as I'm sure they think they've the four seasons in the bag already, but sure we'll give them a rattle and see what happens.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 27, 2010, 11:45:45 AM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 27, 2010, 11:55:30 AM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on September 27, 2010, 01:12:56 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on September 27, 2010, 01:39:37 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness

 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on September 27, 2010, 04:12:06 PM


SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on September 27, 2010, 04:19:30 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on September 27, 2010, 04:23:12 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness


Quote from: johnneycool on September 27, 2010, 11:42:06 AM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on September 26, 2010, 08:47:16 PM
Both Crans & Galget dished up a great game, esp the 1st half.  Cran had no answer to Magic and Galget clearly wanted it more.  They seemed much more mobile that the Crans.

After stealing the game against Portaferry with a really poor performance for 45 minutes I didn't hold out much hope either but to be fair we'd a relegation battle last saturday in terrible conditions against Ballycastle and there was a marked improvement in performance and touch. That game did us the power of good even though we did lose a young lad to a broken hand.

The first 10 minutes or so there were some good points from both teams and the Crans were keeping in touch with some great long range points from midfield but once the first goal went in we took a lead that they couldn't get back, I think at half time we were 9 points up. We then got the better start after half time with a well taken goal and a few points either side of it to really open up a lead but in fairness to them they got a goal back and had a period of ascendency but never really troubled Graham that much other than a few goal mouth scrambles.

finally we got the tactics right where we got the players we wanted into the spaces where they could do damage. Stevie Clarke in particular was given far too much latitude by Paudie Flynn and he was able to turn and pick out magic and Danny and if nothing was on take his own scores after a few bad wides early on. If you can get the right ball into magic you need a dozer to stop him. Michael Ennis is a very good hurler but he was on a hiding to nothing yesterday and even when he did manage to clear a ball from Magic it was returned down to field to Magic who'd took off to the edge of the square, caught it and goaled it. That's soul destroying for a defender.

Out of our starting defence, only one played in defence last year which tells its own tale of where it was felt we went wrong last year. The lads brought in can certainly run if not the biggest but as the Crans are a very small team we got away with it. The forwards made life difficult for Ballycran to get clean posssession away and that helps the defenders contain their respective forward.

Ben Toner, Joe Smyth, Deccy McManus are 19 and Danny Toner is 18, all got their first championship final start and all done well although Deccy has a finger broken in three places and won't feature in the next game. These young lads mustn't drink enough milk nowadays.

Hopefully the bodies will drink themselves into oblivion the next few days as I'm sure they think they've the four seasons in the bag already, but sure we'll give them a rattle and see what happens.

I was at the antrim final jonny. Obviously i didnt see your game, but going on what i saw from loughgile a performane like youse put in yestrday would beat them id say. cushendall werefar the better team and only for terrible shooting they shpould have won easily. clearly it will still be tough but  id say yur boys should go into the game with a high level of confidence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 27, 2010, 04:38:34 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 27, 2010, 04:59:57 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 27, 2010, 05:18:42 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on September 27, 2010, 05:22:56 PM

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on September 27, 2010, 05:37:10 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 27, 2010, 06:49:10 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on September 27, 2010, 05:18:42 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

Plus one. I'm lazy BTW, not copying !

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on September 27, 2010, 06:54:54 PM

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 27, 2010, 07:05:35 PM
Hi 'Catch the high ball'

Burren v Ballyholland?
Mayobridge v Longstone??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 27, 2010, 07:36:47 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 27, 2010, 10:07:28 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 26, 2010, 10:28:48 PM
JFC Result

Drumaness 2-12 Aughlisnafin 0-5.

Poor game where Drumaness had an easy victory over the finn who had 3 men sent off.

MGD your attendance rate at Down club games merits a certificate and a picture in the Mourne observer  :)

Ha ha. Sure what else would ya be at that would better good oul An Dun football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 27, 2010, 07:42:36 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on September 27, 2010, 07:54:54 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on September 27, 2010, 08:56:46 PM
Would anyone have the up-to-date league tables for Divisions 1-3?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on September 27, 2010, 09:40:59 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on September 27, 2010, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on September 27, 2010, 01:17:25 AM

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness

I am with my clubmate on this one, although would like to see Darragh win but clone will be to strong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: batman on September 27, 2010, 10:21:00 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 27, 2010, 11:51:31 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on September 28, 2010, 12:49:24 AM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 28, 2010, 10:19:56 AM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on September 28, 2010, 10:45:50 AM
Predictions league

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 28, 2010, 12:00:40 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on September 28, 2010, 12:48:09 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on September 28, 2010, 01:59:00 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on September 28, 2010, 02:43:17 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on September 28, 2010, 04:21:22 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on September 28, 2010, 06:40:04 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 28, 2010, 07:33:57 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 28, 2010, 08:07:55 PM
SFC Quarter finals
BURRENv Ballyholland
M/BRIDGE v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
A/CLONE v Darragh Cross
KILCLIEF v Tullylish
Carryduff v GLENN
DRUMGATH v St Johns

JFC Final
ST JOHN BOSCO v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on September 28, 2010, 09:01:27 PM
Kingdom 0-5 Clonduff 0-2 HT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on September 28, 2010, 09:12:47 PM
An Riocht 0-7 Clonduff 0-6. Full Time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 28, 2010, 09:24:32 PM
An Riocht led 0-05 to 0-02 at the break. John Clarke was doubled marked in the 1st half and hardly got a sniff but that left a bit of space out the field in which the man of the match (IMO) Chris Killen exploited.

Shane Ward saw a late goal bound shot hit the bar and Hilltown also spurned a late chance to level the game after they missed a very scoreable chance.

Clonduff improved a bit in the 2nd half but I always thought that the Kingdom were the better side. They did well considering that they were without the services of Martin Clarke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on September 28, 2010, 10:02:20 PM
Have to agree with Downfanatic, Clonduff played a sweeper in front of John Clarke, he was living off scraps. Clonduff seemed to put more effort in defending than attack with the majority of their scores coming from frees. Fair play to the Kingdom, they'll be tough oppenents for us come Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 28, 2010, 10:14:55 PM
Clonduff will have great regrets loosing that one. They beat themselves playing a negative sweeper system for the full hour. The kingdom can be thankful for Brendy McVeigh who made 3 brilliant saves. Although Chris Killen and Paddy Cole had fine games, i thought James Colgan was absolutly outstanding and IMO was the best player on view. He covered some ground and had possession of the ball more than any other player and most of the time used it well. He got rave reviews from many i spoke to at the games conclusion. Cant believe Marty Clarke left on holiday on the eve of a club championship game, although i would imagine Poucher and co. will have him home for Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 28, 2010, 10:49:40 PM
Have to agree with MDG on that one.. James Colgan very good but I thought Big arthur mc c for clonduff was good too and seen a lot of ball.. John Clarke doubled marked and your right cost Clonduff in the end as Killen et el seen too much ball out the field. Standard wasnt brilliant but it kept us interested until the end.

ps. Anyone confirm where town v ford is 2moro night few people said bridge others said newry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 29, 2010, 04:32:15 AM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness  :o :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bacon on September 29, 2010, 07:20:17 AM
Good result for An Ricoht. Where is Martin Clarke?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 29, 2010, 07:44:31 AM
Quote from: Bacon on September 29, 2010, 07:20:17 AM
Good result for An Ricoht. Where is Martin Clarke?

Went on holiday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on September 29, 2010, 09:28:29 AM
Quote from: knockitdown on September 29, 2010, 07:44:31 AM
Quote from: Bacon on September 29, 2010, 07:20:17 AM
Good result for An Ricoht. Where is Martin Clarke?

Went on holiday
Could I stammer a guess?   With Collingwood in the AFL grand final, which ended in a draw, and the replay on Saturday....  Could he perhaps have gone to Melbourne? 
Other posters, closer to him, might know for sure
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on September 29, 2010, 10:07:33 AM
Could any Clonduff posters on here give any insight as to what happened last night? No disrespect to the kingdom but i thought Clonduff would've won this replay easily last nite. Alot of people might have written them off at the start of the year but they flourished with the introduction of younger players and with some very strong performances in the league including taking 3 points from the bridge i fancied them to have a go at the championship this year!!! It would've been good to see Clonduff and Kilcoo play as the local rivalry would've made things interesting. Nonetheless, all the best to the kingdom and kilcoo anyway and hopefully the match turns out to be an equally good affair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mickey Linden on September 29, 2010, 10:41:09 AM
Could someone confirm the times, dates and venues for the 1/4 final ties? The Down website is a bit misleading. Cheers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on September 29, 2010, 12:11:55 PM
Tactics just didnt seem to work right for Clonduff last night - seemed to play a bit defensive for too long but losing darren O'Hagan after only 10 minutes wasnt good as he was causing some problems for the An Riocht defence up until this. Clonduff had been flying in the league this year but unfortunately the great run by the county team seemed to affect their momentum.  A young team however and they will learn from this experience.  Injuries also didnt help with Eamon O'Reilly, Paul McPolin, Connor og O'Hagan and Jason Brown all not starting with the latter coming on as a sub. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on September 29, 2010, 12:33:13 PM
Quote from: Mickey Linden on September 29, 2010, 10:41:09 AM
Could someone confirm the times, dates and venues for the 1/4 final ties? The Down website is a bit misleading. Cheers.
Friday 1st October
Burren v Ballyholland      Mayobridge (7.45)
Saturday 2nd October
Mayobridge v Longstone    Newcastle (5.30)
Sunday 3rd October
Saval v Castlewellan/Bryansford     Burren (2.00)
Kilcoo v An Riocht                        Burren (4.00)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 29, 2010, 01:25:23 PM
When is Marty C back? I've a small investment in An Riocht to win the SFC @ 16/1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on September 29, 2010, 03:14:09 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 29, 2010, 01:25:23 PM
When is Marty C back? I've a small investment in An Riocht to win the SFC @ 16/1.

I'll give you 20/1
min stake £50
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on September 29, 2010, 06:05:42 PM
Quote from: general on September 29, 2010, 04:32:15 AM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone
Kilcoo v An Riocht
IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on September 29, 2010, 07:54:58 PM

Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone
kilcoo v An Riocht

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 29, 2010, 08:52:50 PM
Any scores from bryansford game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 29, 2010, 09:09:06 PM
14 7 to Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 29, 2010, 09:31:43 PM
Ford won by 5.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 29, 2010, 09:57:04 PM
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Clonduff 0.6 An Riocht 0.7
Bryansford 0.14 Castlewellan 0.9

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 29, 2010, 10:00:08 PM
Predictions league

SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 29, 2010, 10:03:37 PM
Predictons league

SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 29, 2010, 10:04:35 PM
Predictons league

SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on September 29, 2010, 10:06:56 PM
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on September 29, 2010, 10:08:07 PM
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 29, 2010, 10:09:43 PM
Poor game tonight in Newry where Bryansford had too much for a town team that offered very little. The ford had a great opening which set their platform for victory. Ciaran Brannigan was very sharp in attack while Chris Clarke was brilliant throughout IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 29, 2010, 10:24:24 PM
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 29, 2010, 10:30:34 PM
SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 29, 2010, 10:37:50 PM
SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 29, 2010, 10:51:37 PM
An Riocht
Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 29, 2010, 11:17:39 PM
An Riocht & Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 29, 2010, 11:48:54 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on September 29, 2010, 10:51:37 PM
An Riocht
Bryansford

me too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on September 30, 2010, 01:12:59 AM
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on September 30, 2010, 08:59:49 AM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on September 30, 2010, 01:12:59 AM

Bryansford v Saval

Already selected kilcoo in previous post
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on September 30, 2010, 09:13:44 AM
SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on September 30, 2010, 09:22:55 AM
SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 30, 2010, 09:52:05 AM
Quote from: True Blue on September 30, 2010, 08:59:49 AM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on September 30, 2010, 01:12:59 AM

Bryansford v Saval

Already selected kilcoo in previous post

Yes, that correct and no problem!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 30, 2010, 10:10:02 AM
SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on September 30, 2010, 10:22:19 AM

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone
Bryansford v Saval
Kilcoo v An Riocht

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness  :o :o
[/quote]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on September 30, 2010, 10:23:52 AM
Quote from: CHB1 on September 30, 2010, 10:22:19 AM

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone
Bryansford v Saval
Kilcoo v An Riocht

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Slight change to mine there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on September 30, 2010, 10:27:48 AM
SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on September 30, 2010, 10:33:09 AM
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 30, 2010, 10:42:18 AM
kilcoo & bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 30, 2010, 10:43:17 AM
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on September 30, 2010, 11:06:05 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on September 30, 2010, 09:13:44 AM
SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval

umpire;
any chance i could change my prediction the kingdom to Kilcoo please
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 30, 2010, 11:59:37 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on September 30, 2010, 11:06:05 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on September 30, 2010, 09:13:44 AM
SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval

umpire;
any chance i could change my prediction the kingdom to Kilcoo please
Thats ok
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 30, 2010, 12:58:32 PM
I see today on the internet that Eamon Mc Eneaney is expected to be appointed Monaghan boss on Monday evening!!

Surely a distraction for him in the middle of the current club championship.

What do the bridge lads on here make of that news? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 30, 2010, 01:49:50 PM
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 30, 2010, 02:21:00 PM

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on September 30, 2010, 04:24:18 PM
Bryansford and An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 30, 2010, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 30, 2010, 01:49:50 PM
Kilcoo  v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on September 30, 2010, 06:28:14 PM
SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on September 30, 2010, 07:49:46 PM
SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval

Umpire, I'm not sure if I have already predicted in these two ties, if I have I'll go with my first prediction
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on September 30, 2010, 07:52:36 PM
Predictions league

SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on September 30, 2010, 07:54:58 PM
an riocht and bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on September 30, 2010, 08:07:40 PM
Predictions league

SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval

Head saying one thing the heart saying another.  Go with the heart
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 30, 2010, 08:43:47 PM
Kilcoo
Byransford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 30, 2010, 08:52:43 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on September 30, 2010, 10:09:04 PM
Predictions league

SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on September 30, 2010, 10:11:57 PM
Predictions league

SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 30, 2010, 10:29:19 PM
Quote from: RGU08 on September 30, 2010, 07:49:46 PM
SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval

Umpire, I'm not sure if I have already predicted in these two ties, if I have I'll go with my first prediction

No, you have not predict these two ties before. your selections is as above.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 30, 2010, 10:57:35 PM
T O Hare

Quote from: T O Hare on September 30, 2010, 08:43:47 PM
Kilcoo
Byransford

What about the rest of your selections from below

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on September 30, 2010, 11:21:21 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on September 30, 2010, 10:22:19 AM

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone
Bryansford v Saval
Kilcoo v An Riocht

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
Bosco v Drumaness

Predictions from marsbarkid, thanks umpire
[/quote]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on October 01, 2010, 02:26:28 AM
SFC Quarter Finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone
Bryansford v Saval
Kilcoo v An Rioct

IFC Quarter Finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on October 01, 2010, 08:57:29 AM
SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on October 01, 2010, 09:47:49 AM
Predictons league

SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on October 01, 2010, 10:26:59 AM
Bryansford v Saval
Kilcoo v An Riocht

Bosco v Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 01, 2010, 02:09:47 PM
Bryansford v Saval
Kilcoo v An Rioct
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: idontbelieveit on October 01, 2010, 04:39:35 PM
SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness

Kilcoo vs An Riocht
Bryansford vs Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 01, 2010, 05:40:36 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 30, 2010, 10:57:35 PM
T O Hare

Quote from: T O Hare on September 30, 2010, 08:43:47 PM
Kilcoo
Byransford

What about the rest of your selections from below

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness

Kilcoo
Saval (change)
Ballyholland
Mayobridge

Annaclone
Tullylish
Glenn
Drumgath

Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on October 01, 2010, 07:21:25 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 01, 2010, 05:40:36 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 30, 2010, 10:57:35 PM
T O Hare

Quote from: T O Hare on September 30, 2010, 08:43:47 PM
Kilcoo
Byransford

What about the rest of your selections from below

SFC Quarter finals
Burren v Ballyholland
Mayobridge v Longstone

IFC Quarter finals
Annaclone v Darragh Cross
Kilclief v Tullylish
Carryduff v Glenn
Drumgath v St Johns

JFC Final
St John Bosco v Drumaness

Kilcoo
Saval (change)
Ballyholland
Mayobridge

Annaclone
Tullylish
Glenn
Drumgath

Bosco
Good to see ya stickin by the locals T O Hare!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on October 01, 2010, 08:31:26 PM
Any updates on tonights games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MCMLX on October 01, 2010, 09:37:43 PM
Burren hammered Ballyholland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 01, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
Burren 0-15 Ballyholland 0-7

After a great start where the harps led 0-4 to 0-0 it looked like a shock was on the cards. Burren got their first score in the 20th minute and never looked back from then on. Ballyholland couldnt get a grip with break balls and got turned over in possession too often in the second half resulting in Murtagh getting a limited supply.
Burren where impressive in the second half where McKernan controlled things at the back with Sean Murdock and James McGovern leading their attack brilliantly.
On another note, for the second time this week their was no tri colour on display at a senior championship fixture. After Newry on Wednesday i was surprised to see it not flying in the Bridge tonight.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 01, 2010, 09:59:19 PM
Carryduff beat Glenn by 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 01, 2010, 10:28:29 PM
Bryansford V Saval

Kingdom V Kilcoo

I presume it's bad form to have a disclaimer if Marty's not back ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on October 01, 2010, 10:52:17 PM
SFC quarter-final
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Bryansford v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 02, 2010, 12:21:15 AM
Having watched the tape of the AI final the following night when very few of us had calmed down, I sat through it again tonight. There's no doubt that the best team won on the day, but we have also lost plenty of championship matches we deserved to win over recent years and a little bit of cuteness might still have produced the sixth Sam. We could also have lost more decisively in the end, and we really need to thank our players and management for an outstanding season overall.

There were just a few moments on the re-run which will probably stay with us all for some time to come. The McVeigh/ McCartan/McVeigh intervention to prevent a disastrous first minute goal was from the top drawer, and was the best single piece of defending from Down since the Collins penalty save with DJ sliding in for the rebound in 1994.

Having survived that, we should have been much further in front at the break. Benny tried a couple of long-range efforts when we could have retained possession and Danny Hughes, in an otherwise excellent display, was involved in a couple of big incidents. There was one run when he took a knock to the head, clearly expected a free and went ahead with a shot which drifted wide from a fairly straightforward position. The other run, at a time when he was destroying Cork, put him through for a fisted point, when he might have found John Clarke just inside him or Benny at the far post. Taking the point was probably the right option but a goal at that stage would have left Cork with a mountain to climb. McComiskey's first point was also tremendous, but Benny had made a brilliant run inside without being spotted.

At 7-2 for us, there was a harsh free against Garvey and Rooney tapped the ball away after the whistle. The kick was brought forward by the ref from an almost impossible distance to a very promising spot, and Goulding duly converted. If we had been five or six up at half time, which was strongly on the cards, it would have been a very different match.

We were swimming against the tide after the break, and every substitution they made strengthened them while none of those on our side really worked. The McComiskey case has been much discussed and still makes very little sense, but throwing Brannigan on in and around a struggling midfield was arguably even more puzzling. Switching big Dan would have been a risk, but Colgan,while he may lack pace, had the strength and the know-how to make a difference. There were also a number of crucial slips by our players while Cork always managed to keep their feet when the rain came down.

However, Cork could probably cite plenty of bad misses and wrong options as well and their Croke Park experience gained over five or six seasons - as opposed to a matter of months with us - was crucial in the final quarter.

Anyway, we have a young squad which we can reasonably expect to improve in 2011. Ambrose must be due better luck, assuming he goes ahead with the surgery, and he might just be getting back to full fitness for the closing stages of the league. Liam Doyle is more of a long shot, but he would be a tremendous asset if he gets a change of fortune.

Paul Murphy is more than capable of getting back in the starting 15, while Darren O'Hagan is a fantastic prospect at 19. Aidan Carr and Luke Howard also have the required quality, and there is potentially more overall competition for places at the back than has existed for decades.

Of course, other injuries, loss of form, discipline and the wrong draws in the USC and the qualifiers could be factors, but the bottom line is that we are knocking on the door at long last. We can only be proud of the people who have made it all possible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on October 02, 2010, 01:01:58 AM
Mourne Rover i agree with virtually everything you said there, and in many ways we may have a better team next year, though i do think that next year will be more competitive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MCMLX on October 02, 2010, 01:44:30 AM
I haven't watched the game yet, but I would tend to agree with what most of Mourne Rover says.
In many ways Down should be a stronger team next year, the final defeat should be well out of our system by the new year. While not trying to take James`job and hoping for a fully fit panel, this would be my starting team next year.

1. McVeigh, had a great year and will probably get a rest for the early games in the league.
2. Daniel, has made the position his own, hopefully come in for a bit of competition from the likes of Luke Howard.
3. B. McArdle, I think he has the makings of a full back, big test in 2011 should James use him.
4. D. Raff, we all dream of a team of Raffertys.
5. D.  O`Hagan. He was impressive at times, I`d have him ahead of Rooney.
6. McKernan. Found his natural position after looking out of sorts on the wing. Had a great end to the year.
7. Garvey, good man marker, may come under pressure from Timmy Hanna.
8. Kalum King. Uncaged, may not get an All Star, deserves one for his tireless and sometimes thankless work.
9. Ambi. If fit the best midfielder we have, great going forward.
10. Hughes. Had his best year in a Down shirt, same again please.
11. P. Fitzpatrick. He is too good to be left on the bench, can win ball and take a score.
12. Maginn. Does Polands job, only better.
13. Benny.
14. Dan Gordon. We need a target man on the edge of their square. End of.
15. Marty. He can only get better, he has settled in well and like a good wine will improve with age.

A few players may go, a few of the younger lads need to be tried out. Timmy Hanna and if fully fit Luke Howard have to be close. Paul Murphy needs to loose some of that muscle on the legs and get back on the panel. Not everyone will agree with my team and I`ll change it as the year progresses, but we are looking foward to 2011. This time last year I and I am sure most of you were hoping to avoid relegation from Division 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: On The Side on October 02, 2010, 03:38:18 AM
On another note. burren v ballyholland refereeing totally up the left. whoever shouted loudest got that free( burren). didnt beat ballyholland but when the game was in the mix decisions were terrible. a fella was sent off for coursing. all the excuses will come out but keep this ref away from senior championship games. .Thought if some team is going to be honest and give it a go then bulls##t shouldnt stand in there way?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 02, 2010, 08:08:22 AM
Quotea fella was sent off for coursing.

Thats a first.  :-\ What was the score?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on October 02, 2010, 09:24:56 AM
^

What has Poland to do to get some credit.

Rooney is well worth his place too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 02, 2010, 10:17:00 AM
Predictions League update
Last night's games
IFC quarter-final
Carryduff 0.10 Glenn 0.8
SFC quarter-final
Burren 0.14 Ballyholland

1   24   Bearly on loose
2   22   Johnnie99
3   21   ApresMatch
4   21   behind the wire
5   21   cokers
6   21   conormac
7   21   Dubh driocht
8   21   John Martin
9   21   Maldini
10   21   Mid Down Gael
11   21   True Blue
12   20   An Cloch Scoilte
13   20   general
14   20   Green + Gold
15   20   knockitdown
16   20   razor
17   20   Square Ball
18   20   T O Hare
19   20   westdowngael
20   19   batman
21   19   BRIDGE LAD
22   19   CHB1
23   19   dodgy umpire
24   19   Niall Quinn
25   19   No hoper
26   19   No1
27   18   bredaghgael88
28   18   Brick Tamlin
29   18   DaUmpire
30   18   DownFanatic
31   18   eyeswideopen
32   18   Out In Front
33   18   souljaboy
34   18   TheClutch
35   18   umpire
36   17   5 Sams
37   17   Cloneman
38   17   down6061689194
39   17   dundrumite
40   17   Hedgehunter
41   17   Lecale2
42   17   Marsbarkid
43   17   meatsy86
44   17   Mourne Rover
45   17   supersub
46   17   western exile
47   16   amallon
48   16   Maiden1
49   16   Minus15
50   16   RGU08
51   15   Bacon
52   15   DaddyLongLegs
53   15   Idontbelieveit
54   15   sabhalphadrig
55   15   thewobbler
56   14   angermanagement
57   14   catch the high ball
58   14   mournerambler
59   14   NedFlanders
60   14   off the laces
61   14   Superstar
62   14   Trap 2
63   14   When We Win
64   13   dunroma
65   13   fitzroyalty
66   13   Long Ball
67   12   goldenyears
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 02, 2010, 11:25:55 AM
Ballyholland got off to a great start last start but could not maintain their momentum. I felt that Burren were excellent in the second half and they will take some stopping!! Though their county players were very poor One point though, I was over at the far side behind the goals in the coldest pitch in Ireland and it was disappointing to see some Mayobridge stalwarts openly cheering for Ballyholland :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 02, 2010, 12:17:35 PM
The only down point for me last night was the venue for watching a game, great pitch, lovely lights but honestly not a great venue for supporters.  I was in newcastle tues night and I have to say the same, terrible venue for a game! There is another game in newcastle tonight and a double header on sunday in burren another terrible venue to watch a game! Does the county board have to share these games out around the various grounds? What is wrong with clonduff or even newry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 02, 2010, 03:16:38 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 02, 2010, 12:21:15 AM
Having watched the tape of the AI final the following night when very few of us had calmed down, I sat through it again tonight. There's no doubt that the best team won on the day, but we have also lost plenty of championship matches we deserved to win over recent years and a little bit of cuteness might still have produced the sixth Sam. We could also have lost more decisively in the end, and we really need to thank our players and management for an outstanding season overall.

There were just a few moments on the re-run which will probably stay with us all for some time to come. The McVeigh/ McCartan/McVeigh intervention to prevent a disastrous first minute goal was from the top drawer, and was the best single piece of defending from Down since the Collins penalty save with DJ sliding in for the rebound in 1994.

Having survived that, we should have been much further in front at the break. Benny tried a couple of long-range efforts when we could have retained possession and Danny Hughes, in an otherwise excellent display, was involved in a couple of big incidents. There was one run when he took a knock to the head, clearly expected a free and went ahead with a shot which drifted wide from a fairly straightforward position. The other run, at a time when he was destroying Cork, put him through for a fisted point, when he might have found John Clarke just inside him or Benny at the far post. Taking the point was probably the right option but a goal at that stage would have left Cork with a mountain to climb. McComiskey's first point was also tremendous, but Benny had made a brilliant run inside without being spotted.

At 7-2 for us, there was a harsh free against Garvey and Rooney tapped the ball away after the whistle. The kick was brought forward by the ref from an almost impossible distance to a very promising spot, and Goulding duly converted. If we had been five or six up at half time, which was strongly on the cards, it would have been a very different match.

We were swimming against the tide after the break, and every substitution they made strengthened them while none of those on our side really worked. The McComiskey case has been much discussed and still makes very little sense, but throwing Brannigan on in and around a struggling midfield was arguably even more puzzling. Switching big Dan would have been a risk, but Colgan,while he may lack pace, had the strength and the know-how to make a difference. There were also a number of crucial slips by our players while Cork always managed to keep their feet when the rain came down.

However, Cork could probably cite plenty of bad misses and wrong options as well and their Croke Park experience gained over five or six seasons - as opposed to a matter of months with us - was crucial in the final quarter.

Anyway, we have a young squad which we can reasonably expect to improve in 2011. Ambrose must be due better luck, assuming he goes ahead with the surgery, and he might just be getting back to full fitness for the closing stages of the league. Liam Doyle is more of a long shot, but he would be a tremendous asset if he gets a change of fortune.

Paul Murphy is more than capable of getting back in the starting 15, while Darren O'Hagan is a fantastic prospect at 19. Aidan Carr and Luke Howard also have the required quality, and there is potentially more overall competition for places at the back than has existed for decades.

Of course, other injuries, loss of form, discipline and the wrong draws in the USC and the qualifiers could be factors, but the bottom line is that we are knocking on the door at long last. We can only be proud of the people who have made it all possible.

I have to agree also with you MR. I watched the game myself last weekend again and to be honest I felt much more depressed having done so. When I trudged out of Croker after the game on the 19th of Sept I had already accepted that Cork were the better team and deserved Sam, i was also massively satisfied and proud of what the management and players had done throughout the year - the long drive home seemed less miserable than that of the journey home from wicklow last year. Down bought class both on and off the field to this years championship.

However having watched it again, i realised that Down were so much closer and this really was one that got away. Sure Cork could have won by more but Down could also have built up a much bigger lead. Up until the 47th minute or so Cork were still chasing the game. The tide turned pretty much for the reasons mentioned by Mourne Rover and wee bit of luck went against Down at vital times.

With having the benefit of watching the reply and the wonder that is hindsight, I would have took John Clarke off at H/T and replaced him with Colgan to sit in front of the full back line. We had nobody who could stop Cork winning ball at midfield once they had momentum, but colgan may have cut off the supply into the full forward line and would have been another presence to help stop the runs of Kelly, Kerrigan and  Sheehan.

But the then again, I know nothing about management and throughout the Qualifiers the substitutions by the management were excellent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 02, 2010, 03:23:32 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 02, 2010, 12:17:35 PM
The only down point for me last night was the venue for watching a game, great pitch, lovely lights but honestly not a great venue for supporters.  I was in newcastle tues night and I have to say the same, terrible venue for a game! There is another game in newcastle tonight and a double header on sunday in burren another terrible venue to watch a game! Does the county board have to share these games out around the various grounds? What is wrong with clonduff or even newry?

Newry has mobile huts for changing rooms!! The bridge pitch is only our training pitch !! Next year will be different  :D
Quote from: downjim on October 02, 2010, 11:25:55 AM
Ballyholland got off to a great start last start but could not maintain their momentum. I felt that Burren were excellent in the second half and they will take some stopping!! Though their county players were very poor One point though, I was over at the far side behind the goals in the coldest pitch in Ireland and it was disappointing to see some Mayobridge stalwarts openly cheering for Ballyholland :(

What have you against the bridge! Obviously you dont know the rivalry between the two clubs because i dont think their will be too many Burren fans cheering us on later. If they are they arent real Burren supporters ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on October 02, 2010, 03:30:08 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on October 02, 2010, 09:24:56 AM
^

What has Poland to do to get some credit.

Rooney is well worth his place too.

Yor dead right there.

Poland and McComiskey were outstanding in the all Ireland Final. Rooney was'nt far behind, he completely marked Pearse O'Neill out of the game.

When we got to Croke pk Poland scored well and kicked some great frees at crucial times (is that Maginns job too?).

The contributions from the bench particularly of Maginn, Fitzpatrick and Murtagh this year were vital to Downs success and highlights the need for a strong panel in order to compete with the best. Down now have this and will need everyone on form for the trips to Cork, Kerry, Mayo and Dublin next year. I don't intend taking my flags down anytime soon!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on October 02, 2010, 03:58:28 PM
Annaclone 0-11 Darragh Cross 1-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on October 02, 2010, 05:10:54 PM
On the final, having heard James talk about the mix up of the subs in the 2nd half and watching both the 1/4 and 1/2 finals it seemed that the management had a strict plan in terms of who was coming of the bench, who was being replaced and at what time these substitutions were going to happen. It felt that in the final no matter who was playing well or poorly the decisions were made before the game and it didnt leave much room for any variation or reaction to certain situations like moving Dan to midfield midway through the 2nd half, or taking off McComisky in the 2nd half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on October 02, 2010, 06:15:38 PM
longstone winning by a point half time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 02, 2010, 06:19:18 PM
Anyone got match reports for carryduff v Glenn and annaclove v D cross?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 02, 2010, 06:27:35 PM
Rostrevor beat warrenpoint in reserve final replay!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 02, 2010, 07:03:07 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on October 02, 2010, 06:15:38 PM
longstone winning by a point half time

ft

1-11 to 0-12 to the Bridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: twice is nice on October 02, 2010, 07:24:37 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 02, 2010, 03:23:32 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 02, 2010, 12:17:35 PM
The only down point for me last night was the venue for watching a game, great pitch, lovely lights but honestly not a great venue for supporters.  I was in newcastle tues night and I have to say the same, terrible venue for a game! There is another game in newcastle tonight and a double header on sunday in burren another terrible venue to watch a game! Does the county board have to share these games out around the various grounds? What is wrong with clonduff or even newry?

Newry has mobile huts for changing rooms!! The bridge pitch is only our training pitch !! Next year will be different  :D
Quote from: downjim on October 02, 2010, 11:25:55 AM
Ballyholland got off to a great start last start but could not maintain their momentum. I felt that Burren were excellent in the second half and they will take some stopping!! Though their county players were very poor One point though, I was over at the far side behind the goals in the coldest pitch in Ireland and it was disappointing to see some Mayobridge stalwarts openly cheering for Ballyholland :(

What have you against the bridge! Obviously you dont know the rivalry between the two clubs because i dont think their will be too many Burren fans cheering us on later. If they are they arent real Burren supporters ;)
Nothing wrong with bit o friendly rivalry eh, as long as stays on field!! as 4 some of the other comments on this, surley
ur havin joke!!!??? Ballyholland lad got line for slidin n with knee while mc kernan on ground and hitting him with closed fist in the ribs, seen it clerarly meself!!! END OF!!!

Decky rooney is in same boat as poland, doesnt get credit they deserve! He strong n steady, rarely does his man score much and can float good ball into benny n co. THINK TRIP TO SPECSAVERS IS NEEDED 4 SOME OF YA'S!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 02, 2010, 07:50:55 PM
Mayobridge 1-11 Longstone 0-12

The Bridge will be relieved to get through and can be very thankful for the impressive Ryan Bradys haul of 1-3.
Longstone can feel very aggreived at referee Ciaran Brannigan who had a big say in this result. He Gave them very little and certain calls against the reds where baffling where as the bridge got their frees much easier.
Mark Poland, Mark Doran and young Conor Doran where superb for the stone while Brady, Garvey, Shane OHare, Cathal Magee and Kieth Quinn played well for Mayobridge IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 02, 2010, 08:24:45 PM
Is Cathal Magee starting county XV standard?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 02, 2010, 08:28:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 02, 2010, 08:24:45 PM
Is Cathal Magee starting county XV standard?

I dont know about starting but of what ive seen from some county panelists this week i believe Magee is much better and is worth a recall in next years McKenna cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDunYeGo on October 02, 2010, 08:49:34 PM
Any word on the kilclief tullylish match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 02, 2010, 08:50:57 PM
Tlish hammered them. 0-15 to 1-03. Lish will win IFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: On The Side on October 02, 2010, 09:29:24 PM
Regarding twice as nice's view on Burren v Harps. The incident you are talking about is 1st sending off. Are you even aware there was a 2nd? alot of people werent. Burren player went to ground very easy. from Burren point of view it would be smart play to win the free. Harps man told ref he thought that was a joke with some french mixed in. move the ball up and maybe give him a caution. Red card was shocking.  for first 45 mins ref blew for frees as he listened. last 15 mins tried to balance up his bad calls. at this stage the game was over. as mentioned before burren the better team and totally deserved it. But blatently obvious that ref was always going to bow to the bigger club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 02, 2010, 10:48:16 PM
Predictions league
RFC final replay
Rostrevor 1.12 Warrenpoint 1.10
IFC quarter finals
Annaclone 0.11 Darragh Cross 1.6
Kilclief 1.3 Tullylish 0.15
SFC quarter final
Mayobridge 1.11 Longstone 0.12

Update table

1   27   Bearly on loose
2   25   Johnnie99
3   25   Mid Down Gael
4   24   behind the wire
5   24   cokers
6   24   conormac
7   24   Dubh driocht
8   24   John Martin
9   24   knockitdown
10   24   True Blue
11   23   An Cloch Scoilte
12   23   ApresMatch
13   23   general
14   23   Green + Gold
15   23   Maldini
16   23   razor
17   23   Square Ball
18   23   T O Hare
19   22   BRIDGE LAD
20   22   eyeswideopen
21   22   No hoper
22   22   TheClutch
23   22   westdowngael
24   21   batman
25   21   bredaghgael88
26   21   Brick Tamlin
27   21   CHB1
28   21   dodgy umpire
29   21   DownFanatic
30   21   Marsbarkid
31   21   Niall Quinn
32   21   No1
33   21   Out In Front
34   21   supersub
35   20   Cloneman
36   20   Hedgehunter
37   20   Lecale2
38   20   meatsy86
39   20   Minus15
40   20   Mourne Rover
41   20   souljaboy
42   20   umpire
43   20   western exile
44   19   amallon
45   19   DaUmpire
46   19   Maiden1
47   18   Bacon
48   18   down6061689194
49   18   dundrumite
50   18   RGU08
51   18   sabhalphadrig
52   17   5 Sams
53   16   catch the high ball
54   16   DaddyLongLegs
55   16   Idontbelieveit
56   16   off the laces
57   15   thewobbler
58   14   angermanagement
59   14   mournerambler
60   14   NedFlanders
61   14   Superstar
62   14   Trap 2
63   14   When We Win
64   13   dunroma
65   13   fitzroyalty
66   13   Long Ball
67   12   goldenyears
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 02, 2010, 11:08:57 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 02, 2010, 06:19:18 PM
Anyone got match reports for carryduff v Glenn and annaclove v D cross?

Annaclone v Darragh Cross was a game of two halves. Annaclone where very impressive in the first with Benny McArdle immence in midfield and Owen Pyres on fire up front. Darragh where the best team in second where thier opponents rarely threatened scoring only a point but wayyard free taking and two goal chances going abegging cost them.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 03, 2010, 01:52:39 PM
Quarter finals SFC

BRYANSFORD v Saval

Kilcoo v AN RIOCHT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFan2010 on October 03, 2010, 01:55:16 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 02, 2010, 08:50:57 PM
Tlish hammered them. 0-15 to 1-03. Lish will win IFC.

Tullylish looked very impressive yesterday and on this showing will be a good outside bet for the championship, although Annaclone will remain favourites. Kilcief couldn't contain McAreavey up front even with 2 men on him, would like to see him get his chance at county next year, pace power and creativity, could be a good addition. When will the semis be?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on October 03, 2010, 03:26:21 PM
dpk beat attical by 11 points in the league today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 03, 2010, 04:05:32 PM
Quote from: DownFan2010 on October 03, 2010, 01:55:16 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 02, 2010, 08:50:57 PM
Tlish hammered them. 0-15 to 1-03. Lish will win IFC.

Tullylish looked very impressive yesterday and on this showing will be a good outside bet for the championship, although Annaclone will remain favourites. Kilcief couldn't contain McAreavey up front even with 2 men on him, would like to see him get his chance at county next year, pace power and creativity, could be a good addition. When will the semis be?

Tullylish were VG but Kilclief weren't great.They must have caught Glasdrumman on a bad day. I think Annaclone may have too much for them if they get to the final ( which I presume will be next week to fit in with the Ulster Club championship. I presume the SFC semis will be next weekend with the final in a fortnight). Based on last night's show, I doubt if the 'bridge will be in the running- I rate Ciaran Brannigan as a ref but some decisions last night were baffling .MDG is about right with Cathal Magee- worth another run in the Mv Kenna cup but still a bit raw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 03, 2010, 04:17:15 PM
Bryansford 1-15 0-09 Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 03, 2010, 04:37:53 PM
intermediate championship

Drumgath 1-11
StJohns.   0-07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtown on October 03, 2010, 05:05:47 PM
Anyone any score in the other semi
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 03, 2010, 05:30:44 PM
Preliminary reports.... Kilcoo won by 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on October 03, 2010, 06:08:02 PM
bridge burren
kilcoo and the ford are the semis
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 03, 2010, 06:11:34 PM
Two mouth derby watering semi finals next weekend, led to believe a double header in Newry though not sure how accurate this would be. The four best teams in the county coming head to head.
Drumaness blew away a jaded looking Bosco in the junior final.
Mitchells beat Teconnaught to gain promotion from the third. Teconnaught will be left kicking themselves having squandered a nine point lead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 03, 2010, 06:14:12 PM
Drumaness won the JFC by 5 points today. Bosco were brutally bad and they didn't look prepared at all. Drumaness were head and shoulders the better team. Two of their best players were over 40 years of age namely Dee Murdock and Mal Noade. They also had a great performance from Donie Kennedy at full forward.

Mitchels beat Teconnaught by two in the Division 4 Final. They staged a remarkable comeback after being 9 points down at one stage.


IFC SEMI Draw

Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 03, 2010, 06:23:41 PM
Predictions League

SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 03, 2010, 06:31:10 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on October 03, 2010, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 03, 2010, 06:11:34 PM
Two mouth derby watering semi finals next weekend, led to believe a double header in Newry though not sure how accurate this would be. The four best teams in the county coming head to head.
Drumaness blew away a jaded looking Bosco in the junior final.
Mitchells beat Teconnaught to gain promotion from the third. Teconnaught will be left kicking themselves having squandered a nine point lead.
dont think its a double header
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on October 03, 2010, 06:40:03 PM
Drumaness 1-12
Bosco 1-7

Champions!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 03, 2010, 06:44:19 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 03, 2010, 06:23:41 PM
Predictions League

SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 03, 2010, 06:50:29 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath[\b]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on October 03, 2010, 06:52:12 PM

SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on October 03, 2010, 06:58:30 PM
Bryansford fully deserved their win, Saval gave them a fair game up until the 25th minute of 1st half. The ford moved the ball very quickly and their forwards seemed to score at ease in the 2nd half. Kilcoo will be releaved to have gotten past a well drilled Kingdom side, Kilcoo were the stronger team throughout the match and deserve to be in the semis facing our nieghbours. kingdom hit the net to give a very close finish. The Burren v Bridge match should be a cracker. from memory saval 0.9 ford 0.15. kilcoo 1.09 kingdom 1.07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 03, 2010, 07:03:59 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on October 03, 2010, 07:05:13 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 03, 2010, 07:06:12 PM
SFC quarter finals
Kilcoo  1.9 An Riocht 1.7
Bryansford 1.15 Saval 0.9
IFC quarter final
Drumgath 1.11 St Johns 0.7
JFC final
St John Bosco 1.7 Drumaness 1.12

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 03, 2010, 07:07:42 PM

SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 03, 2010, 07:08:12 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 03, 2010, 07:12:00 PM
Ford v Saval, after the early goal I thought ford were going to walk all over them but to be fair to saval they battled hard and were well in the game at half time but a couple of early scores ended the game as a contest early in 2nd half.. Ciaran brannigan is a big big threat for the ford..

Kingdom v Kilcoo, thought it was a poor enough game and unfortunately for the kingdom it was screaming out for Martin Clarke, with him I would safely say Kilcoo would have been beaten but to be fair to kilcoo their not at their best at the moment but their still winning! I wouldnt write them off next Sunday!

Probably the 4 top teams in county at the moment are in the semi finals.. IMO think its Burrens to lose!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on October 03, 2010, 07:13:44 PM
Predictions League

SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 03, 2010, 07:31:50 PM
Who did the damage for burren last night? Who does anyone think have been the best players in the cship so far?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 03, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
Predictions League

SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 03, 2010, 08:09:46 PM
This will be the first game in years that we have went in as the underdogs. As a poster said its Burrens to lose!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 03, 2010, 08:35:09 PM
Predictions League

SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge I'll Confirm this one in few days
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on October 03, 2010, 08:39:16 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 03, 2010, 08:09:46 PM
This will be the first game in years that we have went in as the underdogs. As a poster said its Burrens to lose!
agree tom burren can only beat themselves
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on October 03, 2010, 09:18:11 PM
Predictions League

SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo
IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: twice is nice on October 03, 2010, 09:29:19 PM
Quote from: superblues on October 03, 2010, 08:39:16 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 03, 2010, 08:09:46 PM
This will be the first game in years that we have went in as the underdogs. As a poster said its Burrens to lose!
agree tom burren can only beat themselves
lol!!!! alex ferguson eat ur heart out tommy!! Id luv it. luv it, absolutely luv it if we go and beat u's!!(keeganesque) apparently all the neutrals hoping for burren so we can restore some pride to down in the ulster championship!!?? personally I think it will be year or 2 early 4 us, so enjoy ur success this year as futures bright, the futures green n white!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaagaa on October 03, 2010, 09:41:49 PM
Down champions to play Coleraine - first time winners in Derry - should be some game  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on October 03, 2010, 09:42:47 PM
Predictions League

SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo
IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 03, 2010, 10:28:19 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 03, 2010, 10:39:38 PM
We where very relieved at the end today in a game where we should have won much easier. We didnt have the fire power up front to get the scores on the board and hopefully next week two of our best forwards who only came on today will be ready from the start to give us a more formidable look.
The Kingdom badly missed Marty Clarke, he really has let his club down with his decision to go on holiday this week. Very surprised at him and if he had of been there then we might have been defeated.
Bryansford will be very difficult simi final opponents and our management will have to adopt a more positive approach or we could be relinguishing our crown at the penultimate stage.
Two wonderful local derbys to look forward to, Burren couldnt have got the Bridge at a better time with many of their key players carrying injuries.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 03, 2010, 10:57:41 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on October 03, 2010, 11:25:18 PM
Really can't think what Marty Clarke was thinking..Surely he has let his club down big time, and his teammates. I have no idea why he went or where he went, I just know that he went on a holiday fully aware that he would missing a championship match. Really dissapointed to hear that, not as much as some Kingdom men will be though. Hes not making himself many friends, he was the prodical son, a virtual god coming back. Still cant beleive he went.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 03, 2010, 11:44:25 PM
Marty Clarke gave up a professional contract in Melbourne to come home and play as an amateur for An Riocht and Down. His county season began with the McKenna Cup in January, and he has not had a break since then.  He could hardly have anticipated that An Riocht would only have reached the quarter final stage of the club championship by October, and he may well have had his own reasons for needing a holiday. We place enormous demands on our county players as well as their partners and families, and it is simply wrong to accuse any of them of a lack of commitment. An Riocht may be disappointed that he was unavailable for the Kilcoo game, but that has to be balanced against the possibility that he could have stayed in Australia in the first place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Any craic on October 04, 2010, 01:28:39 AM
http://vimeo.com/15514778// - Drumaness's JFC win is on this short video from the weekend club scene, and a cracking goal by Newry Bosco.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 04, 2010, 06:52:55 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 03, 2010, 11:44:25 PM
Marty Clarke gave up a professional contract in Melbourne to come home and play as an amateur for An Riocht and Down. His county season began with the McKenna Cup in January, and he has not had a break since then.  He could hardly have anticipated that An Riocht would only have reached the quarter final stage of the club championship by October, and he may well have had his own reasons for needing a holiday. We place enormous demands on our county players as well as their partners and families, and it is simply wrong to accuse any of them of a lack of commitment. An Riocht may be disappointed that he was unavailable for the Kilcoo game, but that has to be balanced against the possibility that he could have stayed in Australia in the first place.

All of that is 100% true. However, (and somewhat unfortunately) people are always going to say "for the sake of 3 weeks could he not have waited?"

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 04, 2010, 09:47:09 AM
Quote from: down6061689194 on October 03, 2010, 06:40:03 PM
Drumaness 1-12
Bosco 1-7

Champions!

Congrats to Drumaness-some achievement,especially considering that they were unable to train or play on their own pitch all year due to redevelopment.Well deserved-especially the 3 players mentioned Murdoch,Noade and Kennedy are real stalwarts of the club.Would like to see Drumaness push on in Ulster now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 04, 2010, 09:50:32 AM
Annaclone were not impressive in the win over Darragh Cross. They were on top for the first 20 minutes but never threatened much after that. One point in the second half would not be good enough to win any club championship. I have not seen Tullylish this year but the reports seem to suggest they are fired up for this one. Darragh Cross will be kicking themselves that they didnt play in the first half. I was suprised they had so few score takers. MDG, do you know who the ref was by they way? I thought he had a miserable day and have absolutely no idea what happened in the second half when the lads got lined. By my timing he only played 28 second half minutes despite a few stoppages. I am suprised Darragh Cross managements didnt pick up on that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on October 04, 2010, 10:38:24 AM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on October 04, 2010, 10:39:43 AM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath

Incomplete first time!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on October 04, 2010, 10:44:53 AM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 04, 2010, 11:02:03 AM
anyone got fixtures for this week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2010, 11:26:43 AM
RadioGAAGAA is harsh to suggest that Marty Clarke should simply have waited for three weeks. If An Riocht had kept winning, they would have found themselves in the county final and potentially an Ulster club campaign stretching into December. Clarke is also highly likely to be involved in the international rules series, so his opportunities to take his partner on their only holiday of the year were very limited.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on October 04, 2010, 11:40:55 AM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 04, 2010, 11:53:48 AM
Quote from: western exile on October 04, 2010, 10:44:53 AM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Same
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 04, 2010, 12:06:39 PM
Quote from: When We Win on October 04, 2010, 09:50:32 AM
Annaclone were not impressive in the win over Darragh Cross. They were on top for the first 20 minutes but never threatened much after that. One point in the second half would not be good enough to win any club championship. I have not seen Tullylish this year but the reports seem to suggest they are fired up for this one. Darragh Cross will be kicking themselves that they didnt play in the first half. I was suprised they had so few score takers. MDG, do you know who the ref was by they way? I thought he had a miserable day and have absolutely no idea what happened in the second half when the lads got lined. By my timing he only played 28 second half minutes despite a few stoppages. I am suprised Darragh Cross managements didnt pick up on that.

Gabriel Tumelty of Bright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 04, 2010, 12:18:22 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2010, 11:26:43 AM
RadioGAAGAA is harsh to suggest that Marty Clarke should simply have waited for three weeks. If An Riocht had kept winning, they would have found themselves in the county final and potentially an Ulster club campaign stretching into December. Clarke is also highly likely to be involved in the international rules series, so his opportunities to take his partner on their only holiday of the year were very limited.

He might never get the chance again to do well in the county championship. He could have left a holiday until AnRiodht were out. the International rules are a waste of time he could have went then.
An Riocht may well be in a Semi if he had turned up. Bad show in my opinion.
Obviously he is Entitled to a holiday. What if the All Irlenad had went to a replay would he have hung around for that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2010, 02:57:01 PM
Snoopdog's thinking may be a little confused here. An Riocht made the quarter finals this year, which involved winning one match. The idea that the present squad may never get as far again is hard to swallow. If Marty Clarke was living in Australia, he would not get the chance to play for his club anyway, and the suggestion that he would miss an All Ireland final replay to take a holiday is childish in the extreme.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on October 04, 2010, 03:40:51 PM
Burren v Mayobridge
Kilcoo v Bryansford
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on October 04, 2010, 03:52:02 PM
was in castlewellan yesterday for the junior games, Mitchell's up and drumaness worthy winners of championship. Couldn't help but feel sorry for teconnaught though, top of the league all year then get beat in the playoffs to go up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Chief on October 04, 2010, 05:06:09 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 04, 2010, 12:06:39 PM
Quote from: When We Win on October 04, 2010, 09:50:32 AM
Annaclone were not impressive in the win over Darragh Cross. They were on top for the first 20 minutes but never threatened much after that. One point in the second half would not be good enough to win any club championship. I have not seen Tullylish this year but the reports seem to suggest they are fired up for this one. Darragh Cross will be kicking themselves that they didnt play in the first half. I was suprised they had so few score takers. MDG, do you know who the ref was by they way? I thought he had a miserable day and have absolutely no idea what happened in the second half when the lads got lined. By my timing he only played 28 second half minutes despite a few stoppages. I am suprised Darragh Cross managements didnt pick up on that.

Gabriel Tumelty of Bright


The ref was lenient in a lot of his decisions, particularly to Darragh players who were lucky they didn't have 2 or 3 sent off

He blew for full time very early, and didn't add anytime on. Annaclone always seemed to be in control after a good opening 10/15 minutes

Does anyone have details for the semi finals of the IFC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 04, 2010, 05:09:45 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Chief on October 04, 2010, 05:15:06 PM
Quote from: Banana Man on October 04, 2010, 03:52:02 PM
was in castlewellan yesterday for the junior games, Mitchell's up and drumaness worthy winners of championship. Couldn't help but feel sorry for teconnaught though, top of the league all year then get beat in the playoffs to go up
2 entertaining games yesterday in Castlewellan, congrats to Drumaness who were strong all over the park and were the hungrier team throughout

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on October 04, 2010, 05:43:14 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath

 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 04, 2010, 06:22:14 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2010, 11:26:43 AM
RadioGAAGAA is harsh to suggest that Marty Clarke should simply have waited for three weeks.

I'm not saying that is my opinion.

I'm saying people will say it.



Personally speaking, I'm glad he went on holiday, we're possibly only still in the championship 'cos he did....  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 04, 2010, 07:50:26 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 04, 2010, 08:04:36 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on October 04, 2010, 08:31:43 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 04, 2010, 08:36:37 PM
Mourne Rover you have been very defensive of Marty Clarke here, but the bottom line is he let his club team mates, management and supporters down big time by deciding to go on holiday last week. There where 35 other members on the Down squad and they all remained dedicated to their clubs when needed most. In the end of the day the club is he heart and soul of the GAA and Marty let his down. He wont miss the international rules you can be sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 04, 2010, 09:36:24 PM
well said mdg..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 04, 2010, 09:52:58 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2010, 02:57:01 PM
Snoopdog's thinking may be a little confused here. An Riocht made the quarter finals this year, which involved winning one match. The idea that the present squad may never get as far again is hard to swallow. If Marty Clarke was living in Australia, he would not get the chance to play for his club anyway, and the suggestion that he would miss an All Ireland final replay to take a holiday is childish in the extreme.
maybe he is in Australia signing a new contract with Collingwood.
If he came home a couple of years ago to play in a league final its hard to see him intentionally miss out on the club championship on his first year back.
just my childish opinion though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2010, 10:20:33 PM
All the Down players have been under huge pressure in recent months, but no one else had to deal with the same weight of expectation as Marty Clarke. He walked away from the offer of a renewed professional contact in Australia to come home and play Gaelic football. Within a short period of time, he went from being a virtual unknown outside his own county to become the  most talked about figure in his sport. Supporters felt he should win games by himself and commentators analysed everything he said and did. By the end of it all, after Down lost the All Ireland final by a point, there is a fair chance that he was drained at every level. It is quite possible that his partner needed a holiday as well. In an ideal world, he might have shrugged it off and turned out for his club. Instead, he took a short break. He is 22 years of age, and we should give him a bit of space.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnRiochtCLG on October 04, 2010, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on October 04, 2010, 09:52:58 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2010, 02:57:01 PM
Snoopdog's thinking may be a little confused here. An Riocht made the quarter finals this year, which involved winning one match. The idea that the present squad may never get as far again is hard to swallow. If Marty Clarke was living in Australia, he would not get the chance to play for his club anyway, and the suggestion that he would miss an All Ireland final replay to take a holiday is childish in the extreme.
maybe he is in Australia signing a new contract with Collingwood.
If he came home a couple of years ago to play in a league final its hard to see him intentionally miss out on the club championship on his first year back.
just my childish opinion though.

He's only went to Spain for a week, he has rearranged dates 3 times this year,If he cancelled it he wouldn't of got his money back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on October 04, 2010, 10:56:59 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on October 04, 2010, 03:40:51 PM
Burren v Mayobridge
Kilcoo v Bryansford
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath

same
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on October 04, 2010, 11:17:47 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 05, 2010, 08:43:11 AM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 05, 2010, 09:31:01 AM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on October 05, 2010, 09:54:19 AM
There seems to be a silent majority on here who are willing for Mourne Rover to plough a lonely furrow, leaving the selfish minority to make most noise  >:(

It is good enough that Marty Clarke give up a professional footballers damn good salary to come home to play for no money, but it is too much for people to expect him to be additionally out of pocket as well  :o

Of all the posters on here who have criticised  Marty Clarke for taking a well deserved holiday  with his partner, would you answer yourselves these questions:
1. Which one of you would be prepared to pay for his cancelled holiday so that he could be in Ireland last week?
2. Which one of you knew for sure last Spring (when his holiday would have been booked) that An Ríocht would be playing Championship football in October?

Give the man a break ffs

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 05, 2010, 03:13:03 PM
On the Marty Clarke issue, I do not see what relevence it has to the rest of us outside of An Riocht whether he stayed, played, whatever. We shouldnt be second guessing what his club think about it and I for one have not heard much from any An Riocht member on the matter.

In any event, a Championship quarter final requires 15 players and another 5 subs to be called upon. Maybe they just were not good enough and if Marty was there, he may well have been marked out of the game and they could have been beaten by more. Maybe other players would not have played as well expecting one player to win it for them.

If someone was writing this guff about me for the past week I would be putting a late night call through to Oz to see what they have to offer. But in 6 months time this will be forgotten and good old Clarke will be the Saviour of Down again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on October 05, 2010, 04:04:03 PM
QuoteOn the Marty Clarke issue, I do not see what relevence it has to the rest of us outside of An Riocht whether he stayed, played, whatever. We shouldnt be second guessing what his club think about it and I for one have not heard much from any An Riocht member on the matter.

In any event, a Championship quarter final requires 15 players and another 5 subs to be called upon. Maybe they just were not good enough and if Marty was there, he may well have been marked out of the game and they could have been beaten by more. Maybe other players would not have played as well expecting one player to win it for them.

If someone was writing this guff about me for the past week I would be putting a late night call through to Oz to see what they have to offer. But in 6 months time this will be forgotten and good old Clarke will be the Saviour of Down again.

+1

Never heard as much sh!te about a lad who played his socks off all year for Down and will be expected to do so again in a months time against the aussies, it's no one's business but his own ffs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffleKing on October 05, 2010, 05:16:45 PM
Quote from: western exile on October 05, 2010, 09:54:19 AM
There seems to be a silent majority on here who are willing for Mourne Rover to plough a lonely furrow, leaving the selfish minority to make most noise  >:(

It is good enough that Marty Clarke give up a professional footballers damn good salary to come home to play for no money, but it is too much for people to expect him to be additionally out of pocket as well  :o

Of all the posters on here who have criticised  Marty Clarke for taking a well deserved holiday  with his partner, would you answer yourselves these questions:
1. Which one of you would be prepared to pay for his cancelled holiday so that he could be in Ireland last week?
2. Which one of you knew for sure last Spring (when his holiday would have been booked) that An Ríocht would be playing Championship football in October?

Give the man a break ffs

You're right - it's probably only An Riocht's business. It's fairly well established that they are absolutely fuming.

I'd say the wider interest comes from the fact that if anyone's county player did this to their club they'd be aghast.

I'd have thought Clarke could have waited a few more weeks and used Down's 10 day holiday to unwind like the rest of the down players. Or maybe he could have waited a couple of further weeks and made the most of the 10  day all stars holiday?

A very poor show imho. Not 1 but 2 championship games? was it beyond the realm of possibility to even get back a day early? Those defending clarke are entitled to do so but in their heart of hearts they have to know that mitigating explanations of tiredness, partners and amateur lives just don't wash.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 05, 2010, 06:13:51 PM
Look the "Martin Clarke Holiday saga" gives us all something to discuss, as this is a discussion board and the reason we joined is to discuss matters relating to Down GAA and further beyond.

I know for one if the same senario happened in my club there would be complete mayhem!! Its just not right what he done imo. All GAA lads in every club have long years and some of them maybe 10/12 long years to the senior cause! We have 1 senior player who has played for 11 consecutive seasons for us and has missed 3 league games in that period!

It is an issue for An Riocht I agree but maybe from reading some of the comments over the past week on here, he might have lost a little bit of the aura he is held in throughout the county! But sure by the mc kenna cup we ll all love him again  ;)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 05, 2010, 07:39:04 PM
Marty owes nobody in Down or An Riocht anything and F the Begrudgers.Marty, you do what you like as long as you do your best for Club and County as you've always done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on October 05, 2010, 07:59:57 PM
SFC

Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC

Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 05, 2010, 09:03:07 PM
Quote from: RGU08 on October 05, 2010, 07:59:57 PM
SFC

Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC

Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath


ur on a winner there RGU  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on October 05, 2010, 09:24:58 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo
IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on October 05, 2010, 09:28:31 PM
Should be a good weekends football with a couple of derbies! Whats the odds of the ref flashing a couple of reds over the two days?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: batman on October 05, 2010, 09:33:29 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo
IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on October 05, 2010, 09:43:22 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on October 05, 2010, 11:32:41 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 05, 2010, 11:47:59 PM
Quote from: Oglach on October 05, 2010, 09:28:31 PM
Should be a good weekends football with a couple of derbies! Whats the odds of the ref flashing a couple of reds over the two days?

In the red hot intensity of championship football I would say yes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 06, 2010, 12:17:49 AM
Many thanks to DuffleKing for telling us what he thinks is in our heart of hearts. What is really in there - or should be -  is total respect for players who have put their lives on hold and their bodies on the line for our county all year.

If Marty Clarke feels he needs a short break after the All Ireland, that should be left up to him. The other five forwards who started with him at Croke Park all made themselves immediately available for their clubs, to their great credit, but the pattern of results indicated how drained they were as well.

In their club championship games after the final, Danny Hughes, Mark Poland, Paul McComiskey and John Clarke all lost. Benny Coulter finished on the winning side, but was only fit to come on for the last quarter. His Mayobridge team-mates and fellow county panelists Conor Garvey and Ronan Sexton both picked up injuries which will apparently rule them out until the new year.

We make huge demands on our county players. The least we can do in return is accept their right to make their own decisions on their own issues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 06, 2010, 08:42:45 AM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath

What way is Benny Coulter's injury? 

The boys giving out about Marty Clarke need to take a wise to themselves, he owes club nor county anything.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on October 06, 2010, 09:54:24 AM
Just seen this on BBC website

Gaelic footballer not guilty of grievous bodily harmA GAA footballer has been found not guilty of grievous bodily harm on another player in a match in 2008.

Loughinisland player Jamie O'Reilly admitted punching Leitrim player Stephen O'Higgins in the face but said it was in self-defence.

The court heard evidence that Mr O'Higgins, who had been marking the accused, had punched him several times before Mr O'Reilly struck back.

Mr O'Higgins had denied punching Mr O'Reilly at all.

A medical expert said Mr O'Higgins had suffered a facial fracture and had to have platelets fitted as a result of his injuries.

On Tuesday, a jury at Downpatrick Crown Court took 20 minutes to find Mr O'Reilly not guilty of grievous bodily harm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on October 06, 2010, 10:30:21 AM
Good stuff. GBH in a football match, wise up o'higgins. Ye gave a slap, ye got a better one back, just take it on the chin, and get on with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on October 06, 2010, 04:18:58 PM
Sorry Folks - didn't think anyone would notice  ;D

SFC

Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo
IFC

Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 06, 2010, 05:10:59 PM
SFC

Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo


IFC

Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on October 06, 2010, 05:32:10 PM
Quote from: maldini on October 06, 2010, 05:10:59 PM
SFC

Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo


IFC

Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath

Ill take the same as these
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 06, 2010, 05:40:26 PM
Times and venues for semi finals?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 06, 2010, 06:27:08 PM
Mickey Linden to be the next Bridge manager?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointlad on October 06, 2010, 08:02:57 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 06, 2010, 05:40:26 PM
Times and venues for semi finals?!

Around A Pound Intermediate Football Championship
09/10/2010  Tullylish   Drumgath  16:00 Shamrocks Gabriel Tummelty 
Morgan Milk Down Senior Football Championship
09/10/2010  Burren   Mayobridge  18:00 Shamrocks Brendan Rice

Around A Pound Intermediate Football Championship
10/10/2010  Annaclone   Carryduff  15:00 Shamrocks Neill Cousins 
Morgan Milk Down Senior Football Championship
10/10/2010  Bryansford   Kilcoo  17:00 Shamrocks Declan Moore 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 06, 2010, 09:20:54 PM
Quote from: pointlad on October 06, 2010, 08:02:57 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 06, 2010, 05:40:26 PM
Times and venues for semi finals?!

Around A Pound Intermediate Football Championship
09/10/2010  Tullylish   Drumgath  16:00 Shamrocks Gabriel Tummelty 
Morgan Milk Down Senior Football Championship
09/10/2010  Burren   Mayobridge  18:00 Shamrocks Brendan Rice



Are you sure these times are correct?

And why are  the games apparently being played at "Shamrocks" (the back pitch at Newry) and not our county ground Park Esler?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on October 06, 2010, 10:47:14 PM
They mean the County Pitch and not the back pitch in newry.

Also i think it is a disgrace that the Intermediate semi final between Annaclone and Carryduff and the Senior semi final between Kilcoo and Bryansford are being played in Pairc Esler for 2 reasons.

1. Currently there is no changing rooms at Pairc Esler
2. Asking Carryduff to travel to Newry to play an Intermediate Semi Final is a joke why not play it in Castlewellan.
3. Kilcoo and Bryansford will all be going the one way into Newry when Castlewellan is bewteen the 2 of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on October 06, 2010, 11:12:12 PM
SFC

Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v kilcoo

IFC
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 06, 2010, 11:26:14 PM
Quote from: razor on October 06, 2010, 10:47:14 PM
They mean the County Pitch and not the back pitch in newry.

Also i think it is a disgrace that the Intermediate semi final between Annaclone and Carryduff and the Senior semi final between Kilcoo and Bryansford are being played in Pairc Esler for 2 reasons.

1. Currently there is no changing rooms at Pairc Esler
2. Asking Carryduff to travel to Newry to play an Intermediate Semi Final is a joke why not play it in Castlewellan.
3. Kilcoo and Bryansford will all be going the one way into Newry when Castlewellan is bewteen the 2 of them.

ahem, think that might be 3 reasons then razor  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 07, 2010, 08:10:07 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 06, 2010, 11:26:14 PM
Quote from: razor on October 06, 2010, 10:47:14 PM
They mean the County Pitch and not the back pitch in newry.

Also i think it is a disgrace that the Intermediate semi final between Annaclone and Carryduff and the Senior semi final between Kilcoo and Bryansford are being played in Pairc Esler for 2 reasons.

1. Currently there is no changing rooms at Pairc Esler
2. Asking Carryduff to travel to Newry to play an Intermediate Semi Final is a joke why not play it in Castlewellan.
3. Kilcoo and Bryansford will all be going the one way into Newry when Castlewellan is bewteen the 2 of them.

ahem, think that might be 3 reasons then razor  ;)

Nevertheless, all good points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on October 07, 2010, 08:49:19 AM
lads the county pitch was paid for to play games on, not lie idle, personally coming from a lower division i would relish every opportunity to get playing in parc esler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on October 07, 2010, 09:07:44 AM
After our championship game against Bryansford both sets of players, having changed in portacabins, had to drive home in their wet and dirty gear as there were no showers available in Pairc Esler. Castlewellan or Hilltown would be the place for the semis this weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on October 07, 2010, 09:37:34 AM
Wise up I remember days having to get changed in a ditch before and after games. i bet you'll not hear Kilcoo men worrying about their showering facilities as long as they get the job done. So what there is no showers , wise up as long as the pitch is in good nick and the supporters are treated to good games . in times past we never wooried about those things , they are unimportant in the bigger scheme of things . is there going to be a new breed of spice boys in our county? i hope not !



                                                             the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 07, 2010, 10:23:03 AM
I see Ciaran Brannigan is getting a bit of stick in todays of the fence in Irish News for his performance last Saturday. Longstone gaels must stil be fuming, they where badly done out of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 07, 2010, 10:24:11 AM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 07, 2010, 10:31:17 AM
The Bridge are lucky to be in it and the excuses are starting already as to why they will be beaten on Saturday. Typical with the excuses but in truth a full Bridge team would struggle to beat this up and coming Burren team who will dominate Down football for years with Kilcoo. I think this will be the end for Mayobridge and for some of their players and my guess is that they will slip back into the mid table in the next few years and maybe lower! I fear for the Bridges defence against Burrens lightening attack while they will have too much strength in defence!
Kilcoo will beat the Ford. They are too quick and crafty. the ford will not finish the game with 15 men!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 07, 2010, 10:47:09 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 07, 2010, 10:31:17 AM
The Bridge are lucky to be in it and the excuses are starting already as to why they will be beaten on Saturday. Typical with the excuses but in truth a full Bridge team would struggle to beat this up and coming Burren team who will dominate Down football for years with Kilcoo. I think this will be the end for Mayobridge and for some of their players and my guess is that they will slip back into the mid table in the next few years and maybe lower! I fear for the Bridges defence against Burrens lightening attack while they will have too much strength in defence!
Kilcoo will beat the Ford. They are too quick and crafty. the ford will not finish the game with 15 men!!
A. Can't say I have ever heard a Mayobridge man come out with excuses on this forum. Not they would need to winning 5 out of the last 6 championships.
B.What is this Bryansford sending off "matter of fact" based on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 07, 2010, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: thegael on October 07, 2010, 09:37:34 AM
Wise up I remember days having to get changed in a ditch before and after games. i bet you'll not hear Kilcoo men worrying about their showering facilities as long as they get the job done. So what there is no showers , wise up as long as the pitch is in good nick and the supporters are treated to good games . in times past we never wooried about those things , they are unimportant in the bigger scheme of things . is there going to be a new breed of spice boys in our county? i hope not !



                                                             the gael takes no prisoners!

What just because they want to have a shower after the match? Dont be daft.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 07, 2010, 02:16:40 PM
Anyone know when the league is due to be finished up? I know its jumping ahead but wondered if there were any proposed dates! Not that it affects us haha! Also is there an u20/21 competition this year? Its usually knocking about around this time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on October 07, 2010, 04:34:03 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 07, 2010, 07:15:35 PM
Although I have tipped Burren to win on Saturday, anyone writing off the 'Bridge is mad. They have been, are and will be a huge force in Down football and have set the standard on and off the field for 10 years.Having seen some of their underage teams at close quarters in recent years I wouldn't be too concerned. I think the last 4 in the championship , plus An Riocht ,Ballyholland, Clonduff and Rostrevor will be the top 8 for the next few years. Castlewellan, Liatroim,the 'Stone and the'Point will be the next 4.After a few years RGU, Bredagh,one of the Newry teams and Carryduff will hopefully join them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on October 07, 2010, 08:27:50 PM
Prelim Donegal V Antrim
Cavan V Prelim winner
Derry v Fermanagh
Armagh v Down
Tyrone V Monaghan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 07, 2010, 09:01:32 PM
And the winners of Down V Armagh play the winners of Derry V Fermanagh ?Not a bad draw. Amazing that 5 Ulster Counties will have new managers, all of whom will fancy their chances in Ulster.Realistically, the winner will come from Tyrone/Derry/Down/Armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on October 07, 2010, 10:25:22 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 07, 2010, 11:13:21 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on October 07, 2010, 09:01:32 PM
And the winners of Down V Armagh play the winners of Derry V Fermanagh ?Not a bad draw. Amazing that 5 Ulster Counties will have new managers, all of whom will fancy their chances in Ulster.Realistically, the winner will come from Tyrone/Derry/Down/Armagh.

Honestly be surprised if Fermanagh and Cavan managers in their heart of hearts would be looking at an Ulster title. Though it is defo very open and with bit of luck you just never know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 07, 2010, 11:30:19 PM
Predictons so far

Burren 26 Mayobridge 14 (one poster have predict the 3 ties below but not this one yet.)
Bryansford 21 Kilcoo 20

Annaclone 40 Carryduff 1
Tullylish 32 Drumgath 9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on October 08, 2010, 12:29:32 AM
Mayobridge
Kilcoo

Annaclone
Tullylish

Simples
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 08, 2010, 12:33:54 AM
I belive M Clarke is in St Marys this year, surely can only be a good thing from a Down point if view!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdowngeal on October 08, 2010, 04:06:11 AM
Any truth in the rumour linking Stevie Poucher with The 'Bridge job. Done a good job with the 'kingdom over the past 2 years. Could be a good appointment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 08, 2010, 09:10:53 AM
I have missed a few predictions recently but i will on this occassion have a stab at it.

Burren
Kilcoo
Carryduff
Drumgath

i really should pick the Annaclone but watching them last week they looked to vunerable for the whole second half and to be fair they didnt kill the game off, Darragh Cross killed themselves off. The clone need another couple of good players to strengthen their team. Reading back over old posts, what happened to the two boys who had thier transfers recindicated,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on October 08, 2010, 09:28:11 AM
I hear annaclone have the 2 new boys confirmed as players now and will be playing on sunday...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 08, 2010, 09:46:59 AM
Jepus, I wouldnt be a happy camper in the Annaclone dressing room if they got playing although i believe they are pretty decent footballers. That will be a tricky one for the management. Fair play to both of them for going back to help out the old club before the big switch.....
Surely this is a practice which does not go on in other clubs. I know many great footballers who travel back to Derry, Fermanagh, etc from Belfast twice/three times a week to train. They could easily go to Bredagh, St Bridgets, etc but dont.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 08, 2010, 10:03:55 AM
Well lads here's to a great weekend of football, if you were picking 4 teams to be contesting the semi-finals of the senior championship well you couldn't pick a better 4. The county board must be loving it two big gates expected and 2 draws possibly????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffleKing on October 08, 2010, 10:06:22 AM
Quote from: southdowngeal on October 08, 2010, 04:06:11 AM
Any truth in the rumour linking Stevie Poucher with The 'Bridge job. Done a good job with the 'kingdom over the past 2 years. Could be a good appointment.

Did they not phone you yet Stevie?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on October 08, 2010, 10:12:28 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 08, 2010, 10:06:22 AM
Quote from: southdowngeal on October 08, 2010, 04:06:11 AM
Any truth in the rumour linking Stevie Poucher with The 'Bridge job. Done a good job with the 'kingdom over the past 2 years. Could be a good appointment.

Did they not phone you yet Stevie?

:D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 08, 2010, 10:22:14 AM
Quote from: EagleLord on October 08, 2010, 10:12:28 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 08, 2010, 10:06:22 AM
Quote from: southdowngeal on October 08, 2010, 04:06:11 AM
Any truth in the rumour linking Stevie Poucher with The 'Bridge job. Done a good job with the 'kingdom over the past 2 years. Could be a good appointment.

Did they not phone you yet Stevie?

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Very good!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on October 08, 2010, 11:26:38 AM
QuoteJepus, I wouldnt be a happy camper in the Annaclone dressing room if they got playing although i believe they are pretty decent footballers. That will be a tricky one for the management. Fair play to both of them for going back to help out the old club before the big switch.....Surely this is a practice which does not go on in other clubs. I know many great footballers who travel back to Derry, Fermanagh, etc from Belfast twice/three times a week to train. They could easily go to Bredagh, St Bridgets, etc but dont.

what's that bit about when we win? Are you saying they went back and played for Aghaderg?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bossanova on October 08, 2010, 12:38:20 PM
Quote from: Banana Man on October 08, 2010, 09:28:11 AM
I hear annaclone have the 2 new boys confirmed as players now and will be playing on sunday...

a total farce. they should not be allowed to play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 08, 2010, 01:09:41 PM
umpire just confirming my selection here

Down SFC Semi Final

Burren V Mayobridge

im hoping burren dont do their usual and dirty the nappies at the sight of navy and sky blue!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 08, 2010, 01:18:02 PM
Burren are good value at 6/4 on Paddy Power.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on October 08, 2010, 03:50:52 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 08, 2010, 05:51:47 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on October 08, 2010, 08:57:34 PM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath

 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 08, 2010, 09:44:04 PM
Hedging ur bets?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on October 09, 2010, 01:26:32 AM
Burren
Kilcoo
A'clone
Tullylish
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Post by: T O Hare on October 09, 2010, 03:15:49 AM
Bridge
Byransford
Annaclone
Drumgath
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Post by: Mourne Rover on October 09, 2010, 11:28:29 AM
SFC

BURREN v M/bridge
B/ford v KILCOO

IFC

ANNACLONE v C/duff
TULLYLISH v D/gath
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Post by: idontbelieveit on October 09, 2010, 11:59:25 AM
SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
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Post by: downjim on October 09, 2010, 12:13:17 PM
Only after putting £100 on Burren at 6/4 to win tonight. I think its a good thing. So T O Hare i am inviting you, your father, Benny and Pluggy in for a beer in Shamrocks club after the game!. I will be at the corner of the bar drinking champagne :D
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Post by: 13aside on October 09, 2010, 12:29:26 PM
hope that champagne isnt the Lurgan variety!!
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Post by: marsbarkid on October 09, 2010, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: off the laces on October 03, 2010, 07:07:42 PM

SFC semi finals
Burren v Mayobridge
Bryansford v Kilcoo

IFC semi finals
Annaclone v Carryduff
Tullylish v Drumgath
[/quote]

Same from marsbarkid, thanks umpire
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Post by: passedit on October 09, 2010, 05:53:00 PM
14 man tullylish bt 16 man Drumgath by a point
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Post by: supersub on October 09, 2010, 06:46:05 PM
Burren 1-8 Bridge 2-2 half time
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Post by: supersub on October 09, 2010, 07:28:42 PM
Burren 1-16 Bridge 3-7 full-time , Noel sexton and Ryan McGovern sent off at the end
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Post by: Square Ball on October 09, 2010, 07:59:12 PM
Quote from: passedit on October 09, 2010, 05:53:00 PM
14 man tullylish bt 16 man Drumgath by a point

one off for Tullylish v Drumgath and the ref?
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Post by: TheClutch on October 09, 2010, 08:23:15 PM
Burren bossed midfield tonight and i think the scoreline flattered the bridge a wee bit with a fourtunate goal coming from off the post and landed in bridge mans hands. Sendings off were fully justified both men deserved to go for throwing diggs! Burrens to win now
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Post by: passedit on October 09, 2010, 08:37:28 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 09, 2010, 07:59:12 PM
Quote from: passedit on October 09, 2010, 05:53:00 PM
14 man tullylish bt 16 man Drumgath by a point

one off for Tullylish v Drumgath and the ref?

Aye shockin effort by the ref, i thoght he was going to kick some of th frees he was handing out.

Burren did their best to throw away the second game.
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Post by: Leo on October 09, 2010, 08:44:31 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on October 09, 2010, 08:23:15 PM
Burren bossed midfield tonight and i think the scoreline flattered the bridge a wee bit with a fourtunate goal coming from off the post and landed in bridge mans hands. Sendings off were fully justified both men deserved to go for throwing diggs! Burrens to win now

A good game, very well handled by referee. Declan Rooney & Eamon Toner immense for Burren but they fell too deep in second half and half back line in particular stopped playing. Couldn't understand them taking O'Hare off. Having said that Eoin  McCartan came on and scored the sweetest point of the game. Young Murdock played well too in a forward line that will win them the championship if they can find a wee bit more composure on the ball.

Mayobridge were courageous with the loss of all their key men but a couple of the goals were on the fortunate side and flattered them a bit on the scoreline. Woods faded after a strong start but the two wing half forwards were a threat all night to the Burren defence and Cathal Magee was a handful until he ran out of steam.
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Post by: redandblackareback on October 09, 2010, 09:06:48 PM
Never ever thought the bridge would win that game tonight after the first 10mins. Burren bossed it for long periods and look big odds on favourites to capture the county title now. Cant see ford or kilcoo beatin them.

Looks like the bridge domination is now officially over! Thought with the big appointment at the start of the year of mc enaney they really meant business!
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 09, 2010, 09:39:25 PM
People are quick to dismiss Kilcoo or Bryansford after Burrens victory but it was against a Bridge side minus thier top players and they only scraped over the line in last five despite their domination of possession. Benny didnt last a crack which compounded matters worse after starting without the injured duo Ronan Sexton and Conor Garvey.
McKernan was superb in the half back line with two exquisite points and a wonderful array of accurate foot passes. Eamon Toner had a fine hour at 14 while Murdock, OHare and the McGoverns had thier moments in attack.
I thought Rooney was average enough in midfield where Eoghan Woods gave an outstanding effort for the Mayobridge cause. He was the best midfielder on view and its a credit to him at the latter stages of his career to produce fielding like he did.
Ryan Brady destroyed the Burren defence in the first half and was well supported by Kieth Quinn while subtitute Gavin Walsh played his heart out when introduced.
Mayobridge can hold their heads high in defeat and it was always going to be a tough ask being minus their top players. Burren will be delighted and will start the final as favourites but they will have work to do in their defence after conceeding 3 slack goals. On the night they deserved their success but i believe the winners of tomorrow can trouble them and they are certainly no world beaters.
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Post by: westdowngael on October 09, 2010, 09:45:04 PM
did the tullylish player get a straight red or 2 yellows? thought drumgath where desperate unlucky to lose, though fair play to tullylish, they dug in and ground out a result. thought burren where well worth their win, once they got to grips with the game there was no stopping them, eoin mc cartan came on and scored a cracking point!
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Post by: passedit on October 09, 2010, 09:57:00 PM
Quote from: westdowngael on October 09, 2010, 09:45:04 PM
did the tullylish player get a straight red or 2 yellows? thought drumgath where desperate unlucky to lose, though fair play to tullylish, they dug in and ground out a result. thought burren where well worth their win, once they got to grips with the game there was no stopping them, eoin mc cartan came on and scored a cracking point!

I thought it was a straight red but was chattin to one of the tullylish lads after who reckoned it was two yellas. Great to see Eoin back in action. Hope he's fully recovered.
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Post by: fitzroyalty on October 09, 2010, 10:02:20 PM
Was a neutral at both games, funny how Drumgath were the only team today not to have a man sent off! Cynical team and over the hour Tullylish played better football, especially considering they were reduced to 14 men (second yellow). Forwards were sharper and Drumgath had no answer to McAreavey who pulled all the strings.

Burren looked very sharp and going forward are good, fullback line is a bit suspect, too much fannying about & lack of communication. Leaking three goals is never good but their attacking play was brilliant and that saw them through.
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Post by: knockitdown on October 09, 2010, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 09, 2010, 10:02:20 PM
Was a neutral at both games, funny how Drumgath were the only team today not to have a man sent off! Cynical team and over the hour Tullylish played better football, especially considering they were reduced to 14 men (second yellow). Forwards were sharper and Drumgath had no answer to McAreavey who pulled all the strings.

Burren looked very sharp and going forward are good, fullback line is a bit suspect, too much fannying about & lack of communication. Leaking three goals is never good but their attacking play was brilliant and that saw them through.

1. Why is it funny drumgath wer the only team not to get a man sent off? Wer did they deserve to get one sent off?
2. Mcareavy did very little, doubt annaclone or carryduff will be overly worried about him. Drumgath full forward played twice as good and also scored 1-3 (from play) to mcareavys 2 points
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Post by: umpire on October 09, 2010, 10:15:42 PM
Prediction League update.

1   30   Bearly on loose
2   30   cokers
3   30   Mid Down Gael
4   29   Johnnie99
5   28   behind the wire
6   28   Dubh driocht
7   28   Maldini
8   28   Square Ball
9   28   True Blue
10   27   conormac
11   27   general
12   27   Green + Gold
13   27   John Martin
14   27   knockitdown
15   27   razor
16   27   TheClutch
17   26   An Cloch Scoilte
18   26   ApresMatch
19   26   DownFanatic
20   26   eyeswideopen
21   26   Niall Quinn
22   26   No hoper
23   26   No1
24   25   BRIDGE LAD
25   25   CHB1
26   25   Marsbarkid
27   25   Out In Front
28   25   T O Hare
29   25   westdowngael
30   25   western exile
31   24   bredaghgael88
32   24   Brick Tamlin
33   24   Cloneman
34   24   dodgy umpire
35   24   Mourne Rover
36   24   supersub
37   24   umpire
38   23   Hedgehunter
39   23   Lecale2
40   23   meatsy86
41   23   Minus15
42   23   souljaboy
43   22   batman
44   22   Maiden1
45   21   amallon
46   21   catch the high ball
47   21   Idontbelieveit
48   21   RGU08
49   21   sabhalphadrig
50   19   Bacon
51   19   DaUmpire
52   18   down6061689194
53   18   dundrumite
54   18   off the laces
55   17   5 Sams
56   16   DaddyLongLegs
57   15   thewobbler
58   15   When We Win
59   14   angermanagement
60   14   mournerambler
61   14   NedFlanders
62   14   Superstar
63   14   Trap 2
64   13   dunroma
65   13   fitzroyalty
66   13   Long Ball
67   12   goldenyears
68   1   Leo
69   0   Messy Gael
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on October 09, 2010, 10:18:22 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 09, 2010, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 09, 2010, 10:02:20 PM
Was a neutral at both games, funny how Drumgath were the only team today not to have a man sent off! Cynical team and over the hour Tullylish played better football, especially considering they were reduced to 14 men (second yellow). Forwards were sharper and Drumgath had no answer to McAreavey who pulled all the strings.

Burren looked very sharp and going forward are good, fullback line is a bit suspect, too much fannying about & lack of communication. Leaking three goals is never good but their attacking play was brilliant and that saw them through.

1. Why is it funny drumgath wer the only team not to get a man sent off? Wer did they deserve to get one sent off?
2. Mcareavy did very little, doubt annaclone or carryduff will be overly worried about him. Drumgath full forward played twice as good and also scored 1-3 (from play) to mcareavys 2 points
1. Off the ball incidents. Bullying tactics. First 10/15 mins it was clear Drumgath were trying to knock it into T'lish. No5 could've went.
2. Very little? Near everything went through him in Tullylish attack. Bearing in mind they were a man down up front for most of it. Surprised he only got two.
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 09, 2010, 10:26:17 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 09, 2010, 10:18:22 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 09, 2010, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 09, 2010, 10:02:20 PM
Was a neutral at both games, funny how Drumgath were the only team today not to have a man sent off! Cynical team and over the hour Tullylish played better football, especially considering they were reduced to 14 men (second yellow). Forwards were sharper and Drumgath had no answer to McAreavey who pulled all the strings.

Burren looked very sharp and going forward are good, fullback line is a bit suspect, too much fannying about & lack of communication. Leaking three goals is never good but their attacking play was brilliant and that saw them through.

1. Why is it funny drumgath wer the only team not to get a man sent off? Wer did they deserve to get one sent off?
2. Mcareavy did very little, doubt annaclone or carryduff will be overly worried about him. Drumgath full forward played twice as good and also scored 1-3 (from play) to mcareavys 2 points
1. Off the ball incidents. Bullying tactics. First 10/15 mins it was clear Drumgath were trying to knock it into T'lish. No5 could've went.
2. Very little? Near everything went through him in Tullylish attack. Bearing in mind they were a man down up front for most of it. Surprised he only got two.

I thought McAreavy played rightly too. Two men on him for most of game and he stil won every ball that came in. A draw would have been a fair result but for a bad mistake that handed Tullylish thier winning score. Drainey was flying before his dismissal, a classy young player.
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Post by: charlieTully on October 09, 2010, 10:28:42 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 09, 2010, 10:02:20 PM
Was a neutral at both games, funny how Drumgath were the only team today not to have a man sent off! Cynical team and over the hour Tullylish played better football, especially considering they were reduced to 14 men (second yellow). Forwards were sharper and Drumgath had no answer to McAreavey who pulled all the strings.

Burren looked very sharp and going forward are good, fullback line is a bit suspect, too much fannying about & lack of communication. Leaking three goals is never good but their attacking play was brilliant and that saw them through.

away on back to lurgan fitzy your opinion means f**k all on here.
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Post by: bossanova on October 09, 2010, 10:37:27 PM
Quote from: passedit on October 09, 2010, 09:57:00 PM
Quote from: westdowngael on October 09, 2010, 09:45:04 PM
did the tullylish player get a straight red or 2 yellows? thought drumgath where desperate unlucky to lose, though fair play to tullylish, they dug in and ground out a result. thought burren where well worth their win, once they got to grips with the game there was no stopping them, eoin mc cartan came on and scored a cracking point!

I thought it was a straight red but was chattin to one of the tullylish lads after who reckoned it was two yellas. Great to see Eoin back in action. Hope he's fully recovered.

did you actually see the game or just get a report from a tullylish player?
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Post by: fitzroyalty on October 09, 2010, 10:48:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 09, 2010, 10:28:42 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 09, 2010, 10:02:20 PM
Was a neutral at both games, funny how Drumgath were the only team today not to have a man sent off! Cynical team and over the hour Tullylish played better football, especially considering they were reduced to 14 men (second yellow). Forwards were sharper and Drumgath had no answer to McAreavey who pulled all the strings.

Burren looked very sharp and going forward are good, fullback line is a bit suspect, too much fannying about & lack of communication. Leaking three goals is never good but their attacking play was brilliant and that saw them through.

away on back to lurgan fitzy your opinion means f**k all on here.
Lad where you think I am now? Prob still know more about Down football than you ye dick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFan2010 on October 10, 2010, 12:27:20 AM
McAreavey got 4 points, including the pressure free to level the game at the death, from the wrong side for a left footed player! Also the linesmen flagged for a wide from him on the opening exchanges, which was apparently over, I didn't see it though from my angle. Any team who fights as hard as Tullylish did today deserves the win. They will need more support for McAreavy in the final though. Burren deserved it too, you can only beat what your up against, so Making excuses about injuries should not take away from a great win.
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Post by: charlieTully on October 10, 2010, 09:47:31 AM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 09, 2010, 10:48:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 09, 2010, 10:28:42 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 09, 2010, 10:02:20 PM
Was a neutral at both games, funny how Drumgath were the only team today not to have a man sent off! Cynical team and over the hour Tullylish played better football, especially considering they were reduced to 14 men (second yellow). Forwards were sharper and Drumgath had no answer to McAreavey who pulled all the strings.

Burren looked very sharp and going forward are good, fullback line is a bit suspect, too much fannying about & lack of communication. Leaking three goals is never good but their attacking play was brilliant and that saw them through.

away on back to lurgan fitzy your opinion means f**k all on here.
Lad where you think I am now? Prob still know more about Down football than you ye dick

yes mate. your 65th position in the predicitions league would suggest you are well clued up on down football. toodle on now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on October 10, 2010, 09:56:58 AM
Aye cos i hardly stopped predicting around the end of July! Just you stick to the soccer bai.
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Post by: Wee Shea on October 10, 2010, 10:29:22 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 09, 2010, 10:28:42 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 09, 2010, 10:02:20 PM
Was a neutral at both games, funny how Drumgath were the only team today not to have a man sent off! Cynical team and over the hour Tullylish played better football, especially considering they were reduced to 14 men (second yellow). Forwards were sharper and Drumgath had no answer to McAreavey who pulled all the strings.

Burren looked very sharp and going forward are good, fullback line is a bit suspect, too much fannying about & lack of communication. Leaking three goals is never good but their attacking play was brilliant and that saw them through.

away on back to lurgan fitzy your opinion means f**k all on here.

What an absolute idiot. I would bet you were one of the assholes booing free takers in Croke Park Charlie, if you were even there.
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Post by: superblues on October 10, 2010, 11:13:02 AM
well done to burren.i wonder will the ref get as the same stick as the ref last week how did the number 2 from burren stay on the pitch he fouled brady from the first minute then when he got booked he verbally abused the ref only to get talked to the ref coped out then young quinn gets stood on and he gaves a yellow what was the yellow for if he sees it surly it has to be red all in all the best team won but the bridge can hold there heads high yous went down fighting special word for big woodsy legend
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Post by: goldenyears on October 10, 2010, 01:36:20 PM
Point 1-8, island 0-4 at half
Islan terrible, point looking good for easy win
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Post by: goldenyears on October 10, 2010, 02:11:10 PM
1-14 to 0-8 game over 10 left
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Post by: Dannymcfella on October 10, 2010, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: bossanova on October 09, 2010, 09:01:37 PM
Quote from: passedit on October 09, 2010, 08:37:28 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 09, 2010, 07:59:12 PM
Quote from: passedit on October 09, 2010, 05:53:00 PM
14 man tullylish bt 16 man Drumgath by a point

one off for Tullylish v Drumgath and the ref?

Aye shockin effort by the ref, i thoght he was going to kick some of th frees he was handing out.

Burren did their best to throw away the second game.

cant see how you thought the ref favoured drumgath, the wee linfield hun deserved to walk, plus drumgath should have a penalty when the ball was cleared off the line, the ball was clearly touched on the ground. back up what your saying with a few facts you t**t.

What the f**k does that mean? You are a complete and utter p***k of a 'man'
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Post by: RGU08 on October 10, 2010, 02:53:00 PM
Rgu 1 - 6 Saval 0 - 9
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Post by: goh4205 on October 10, 2010, 02:55:10 PM
Lads,  can't seemd to find the time and venue for the kilcoo v Bryansford game today.  Can anybody help
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Post by: passedit on October 10, 2010, 03:01:11 PM
DX bt bredagh by 5. Bredagh in deep doo doo
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Post by: passedit on October 10, 2010, 03:11:28 PM
Quote from: goh4205 on October 10, 2010, 02:55:10 PM
Lads,  can't seemd to find the time and venue for the kilcoo v Bryansford game today.  Can anybody help

Newry 5pm. Clone v c'duff at 3
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Post by: ApresMatch on October 10, 2010, 03:22:39 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on October 10, 2010, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: bossanova on October 09, 2010, 09:01:37 PM
Quote from: passedit on October 09, 2010, 08:37:28 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 09, 2010, 07:59:12 PM
Quote from: passedit on October 09, 2010, 05:53:00 PM
14 man tullylish bt 16 man Drumgath by a point

one off for Tullylish v Drumgath and the ref?

Aye shockin effort by the ref, i thoght he was going to kick some of th frees he was handing out.

Burren did their best to throw away the second game.

cant see how you thought the ref favoured drumgath, the wee linfield hun deserved to walk, plus drumgath should have a penalty when the ball was cleared off the line, the ball was clearly touched on the ground. back up what your saying with a few facts you t**t.

What the f**k does that mean? You are a complete and utter p***k of a 'man'

Can someone get that shite deleted?
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Post by: banker on October 10, 2010, 04:33:36 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on October 10, 2010, 03:22:39 PM
Quote from: Dannymcfella on October 10, 2010, 02:15:47 PM
Quote from: bossanova on October 09, 2010, 09:01:37 PM
Quote from: passedit on October 09, 2010, 08:37:28 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 09, 2010, 07:59:12 PM
Quote from: passedit on October 09, 2010, 05:53:00 PM
14 man tullylish bt 16 man Drumgath by a point

one off for Tullylish v Drumgath and the ref?

Aye shockin effort by the ref, i thoght he was going to kick some of th frees he was handing out.

Burren did their best to throw away the second game.

cant see how you thought the ref favoured drumgath, the wee linfield hun deserved to walk, plus drumgath should have a penalty when the ball was cleared off the line, the ball was clearly touched on the ground. back up what your saying with a few facts you t**t.

What the f**k does that mean? You are a complete and utter p***k of a 'man'

Can someone get that shite deleted?

Complete disgrace saying that about a young lad who should not have even been given his first yellow card. Yes the second yellow card was given for a silly challenge but again first yellow should not have been given. If he never got sent off i could have saw Drumgath in for a real hammering as the Tullylish forward line were on fire with him on the pitch.
Jack Lynch should have walked after the first minute and was at the Tullylish number 9 the whole game kicking at him.
Justy lynch also should have walked aswel as the Drumgath number 12 and number 14.
Really was the most one sided refeering display i have witnessed. If Tullylish would have lost this game it would have been the biggest robbery of the year down to the referee and it shows the character and belief in the team to have to beat the referee aswel as a Drumgath team that just wanted to bully them off the field all day. Hope the silverware is in Tullylish come next Sunday evening.
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Post by: Wee Shea on October 10, 2010, 04:35:09 PM
When is the Senior final pencilled in for?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 10, 2010, 05:00:55 PM
Division 3

Glenn 2-13  Dundrum 0-10

Glenn are more or less safe now. We still need at least a point from our last three games to stay out of the relegation playoffs.
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Post by: supersub on October 10, 2010, 05:10:40 PM
Quote from: Wee Shea on October 10, 2010, 04:35:09 PM
When is the Senior final pencilled in for?

I think it's next Sunday 17th, if not then the 24th.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on October 10, 2010, 05:14:25 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 10, 2010, 05:10:40 PM
Quote from: Wee Shea on October 10, 2010, 04:35:09 PM
When is the Senior final pencilled in for?

I think it's next Sunday 17th, if not then the 24th.

Hopefully 24th then, have a christening to go to next week.
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Post by: supersub on October 10, 2010, 05:15:43 PM
Originally was scheduled for the 24th but though I heard one of the burren boys saying next week, last night!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on October 10, 2010, 06:26:16 PM
How did today's matches go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 10, 2010, 06:38:42 PM
Quote from: Wee Shea on October 10, 2010, 06:26:16 PM
How did today's matches go?

Carryduff beat, thats the only one I know
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 10, 2010, 06:40:27 PM
Bryansford beat Kilcoo by 2/3points this afternoon to play Burren in final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on October 10, 2010, 06:40:43 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 09, 2010, 09:06:48 PM
Never ever thought the bridge would win that game tonight after the first 10mins. Burren bossed it for long periods and look big odds on favourites to capture the county title now. Cant see ford or kilcoo beatin them.

Looks like the bridge domination is now officially over! Thought with the big appointment at the start of the year of mc enaney they really meant business!

in fairness sexton,garvey and coulter would be a big loss for any club side plus mickey walsh.  bit early to discount the bridge at this stage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on October 10, 2010, 06:52:58 PM
went to the games yesterday. thought tullylish were deserving winners tried to play the football were drumgath tried to knock it into them.  def think mcareavey will need more support if they are to win the final, though drainey was very dangerous before he was sent off. 

burren fully deserved to beat the bridge and the scoreline flattered the bridge when you consider the soft nature of the goals burren conceded and they could/should have had 2 more goals in 1st half.  burren showed great movement in attack. was impressed by that thought they would have been very sound at the back and struggle for scores ended up being other way around!  kevin mckernan landed two great points worth admission fee alone. 

on another note didnt know the bridge had andrei voronin playing midfield for them! ;)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 10, 2010, 07:21:00 PM
Congratulations to Bryansford who deservedly defeated us today. We hadnt the firepower in attack to take enough scores when on top in the first half, kicking 8 wides, two of them goal chances. The ford gave us problems under the high ball scoring two goals against the run of play.
Our Management where too negative playing with only 4 forwards and truth be told we hadnt as near potent first 15 as what won us last years title.
Congratulations to Bryansford who where comfortable winners on the day, back to the drawing board for Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on October 10, 2010, 07:38:54 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 10, 2010, 07:21:00 PM
Congratulations to Bryansford who deservedly defeated us today. We hadnt the firepower in attack to take enough scores when on top in the first half, kicking 8 wides, two of them goal chances. The ford gave us problems under the high ball scoring two goals against the run of play.
Our Management where too negative playing with only 4 forwards and truth be told we hadnt as near potent first 15 as what won us last years title.
Congratulations to Bryansford who where comfortable winners on the day, back to the drawing board for Kilcoo.
You've pretty well summed it up MDG. its hard to take but thats football. Can't see any one team dominating Down football football for a few years and thats a good thing all round. It shows a little more strength in Down football (imo). Good luck to Both teams in the final and enloy the occasion while you can cos we'll be back  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 10, 2010, 08:00:30 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 10, 2010, 07:21:00 PM
Congratulations to Bryansford who deservedly defeated us today. We hadnt the firepower in attack to take enough scores when on top in the first half, kicking 8 wides, two of them goal chances. The ford gave us problems under the high ball scoring two goals against the run of play.
Our Management where too negative playing with only 4 forwards and truth be told we hadnt as near potent first 15 as what won us last years title.
Congratulations to Bryansford who where comfortable winners on the day, back to the drawing board for Kilcoo.

MGD where was Niall Morgan? Had a great season last year and perhaps may have provided a steady influence in and around the house.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on October 10, 2010, 08:21:19 PM
Gutted today for Kilcoo but they seemed to go into the game with the wrong mindset , too concerned with the opposition . They were very negative and hadn't enough men up front to get the important scores. Last year they had a devil may care attitude with a great work ethic , this year they seemed nervous , over awed and too concerned with the opposition.I cannt see past Burren but I feel kilcoo lost the chance of back to back titles as opposed to others winning .Kilcoo without a doubt lost the 2010 Championship , it was theirs but they just were nearly afraid to go out and express themselves . They'll be back - no doubt.


                                           the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: robbiegael on October 10, 2010, 08:22:47 PM
Was at the game today

Bryansford 3-04 Kilcoo 0-08

Bryansford scored two goals in first-half - 2 highballs, 2 goals [shocking defending]

Maginn was my man of the match by a mile - he really is a 'Rolls Royce' of a player. Worth the £8 just to watch him play - smooth and silky on the ball and accelerates with pace. Always seemed to have loads of time on the ball. Just a wonderful player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 10, 2010, 08:24:28 PM
Predictions League update

1   32   Bearly on loose
2   31   cokers
3   31   Johnnie99
4   31   Mid Down Gael
5   30   behind the wire
6   30   Dubh driocht
7   29   Green + Gold
8   29   Maldini
9   29   Square Ball
10   29   TheClutch
11   29   True Blue
12   28   An Cloch Scoilte
13   28   ApresMatch
14   28   conormac
15   28   DownFanatic
16   28   eyeswideopen
17   28   general
18   28   John Martin
19   28   knockitdown
20   28   Niall Quinn
21   28   No hoper
22   28   No1
23   28   razor
24   27   BRIDGE LAD
25   27   CHB1
26   27   T O Hare
27   27   westdowngael
28   27   western exile
29   26   Marsbarkid
30   26   Out In Front
31   26   umpire
32   25   bredaghgael88
33   25   Brick Tamlin
34   25   Cloneman
35   25   dodgy umpire
36   25   Lecale2
37   25   Mourne Rover
38   25   souljaboy
39   25   supersub
40   24   batman
41   24   Maiden1
42   24   Minus15
43   23   amallon
44   23   Hedgehunter
45   23   Idontbelieveit
46   23   meatsy86
47   22   RGU08
48   22   sabhalphadrig
49   21   catch the high ball
50   19   Bacon
51   19   DaUmpire
52   19   off the laces
53   18   down6061689194
54   18   dundrumite
55   17   5 Sams
56   16   DaddyLongLegs
57   15   thewobbler
58   15   When We Win
59   14   angermanagement
60   14   mournerambler
61   14   NedFlanders
62   14   Superstar
63   14   Trap 2
64   13   dunroma
65   13   fitzroyalty
66   13   Long Ball
67   12   goldenyears
68   2   Leo
69   1   Messy Gael
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 10, 2010, 08:29:03 PM
I think Ford will take Burren. There's a few championships in this Burren team, no doubt, but Ford have the right blend of experience and physical strength to take the honours here. Player for player there's nothing in it at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 10, 2010, 08:43:52 PM
Predictions League

Final 3 games left

SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC
Annaclone v Tullylish


For very few posters who have not already predict in MFC.
MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 10, 2010, 08:49:37 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 10, 2010, 08:43:52 PM
Predictions League

Final 3 games left

SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC
Annaclone v Tullylish


For very few posters who have not already predict in MFC.
MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor

think I have the minors covered but to be safe I have done it again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 10, 2010, 08:50:35 PM
Predictions League (first round only)

8 games in SFC
8 games in IFC
3 games in JFC


1   16   Bearly on loose
2   16   conormac
3   15   ApresMatch
4   15   BRIDGE LAD
5   15   cokers
6   15   Dubh driocht
7   15   Johnnie99
8   15   Maldini
9   15   No1
10   15   Out In Front
11   15   T O Hare
12   15   thewobbler
13   15   westdowngael
14   14   5 Sams
15   14   An Cloch Scoilte
16   14   angermanagement
17   14   batman
18   14   behind the wire
19   14   Brick Tamlin
20   14   general
21   14   Green + Gold
22   14   Idontbelieveit
23   14   knockitdown
24   14   Marsbarkid
25   14   meatsy86
26   14   mournerambler
27   14   NedFlanders
28   14   Niall Quinn
29   14   No hoper
30   14   souljaboy
31   14   Square Ball
32   14   Superstar
33   14   Trap 2
34   14   True Blue
35   14   umpire
36   14   When We Win
37   13   Bacon
38   13   CHB1
39   13   DaUmpire
40   13   dodgy umpire
41   13   dundrumite
42   13   dunroma
43   13   eyeswideopen
44   13   fitzroyalty
45   13   Hedgehunter
46   13   John Martin
47   13   Lecale2
48   13   Long Ball
49   13   Mid Down Gael
50   13   Minus15
51   13   Mourne Rover
52   13   off the laces
53   13   razor
54   13   western exile
55   12   bredaghgael88
56   12   down6061689194
57   12   DownFanatic
58   12   goldenyears
59   12   supersub
60   12   TheClutch
61   11   amallon
62   11   Cloneman
63   11   Maiden1
64   11   RGU08
65   11   sabhalphadrig
66   10   DaddyLongLegs
67   8   catch the high ball
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 10, 2010, 08:53:53 PM
Fair play to the ford they dug deep i honestly thought after they went down to 14 men with 20 minutes left there was only one winner but thats what good teams are made off and the best of luck to them. The final will be a physical battle two very strong sides and hopefully produces a great game of football to end a fitting uear for this county. We will be back next year though!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 10, 2010, 08:55:25 PM
Predictions League (quarter finals only)

4 games in SFC
4 games in IFC
4 games in JFC

1   11   Mid Down Gael   
2   10   Bearly on loose   
3   9   An Cloch Scoilte   
4   9   behind the wire   
5   9   John Martin   
6   9   TheClutch   
7   8   CHB1   
8   8   cokers   
9   8   DownFanatic   
10   8   Green + Gold   
11   8   Johnnie99   
12   8   knockitdown   
13   8   Square Ball   
14   8   True Blue   
15   7   Brick Tamlin   
16   7   catch the high ball   
17   7   Cloneman   
18   7   conormac   
19   7   Dubh driocht   
20   7   eyeswideopen   
21   7   general   
22   7   Maldini   
23   7   Marsbarkid   
24   7   Niall Quinn   
25   7   No hoper   
26   7   supersub   
27   7   T O Hare   
28   7   umpire   
29   6   bredaghgael88   
30   6   Hedgehunter   
31   6   Mourne Rover   
32   6   Out In Front   
33   6   westdowngael   
34   6   western exile   
35   5   amallon   
36   5   ApresMatch   
37   5   batman   
38   5   BRIDGE LAD   
39   5   dodgy umpire   
40   5   Lecale2   
41   5   Maiden1   
42   5   meatsy86   
43   5   No1   
44   5   souljaboy   
45   4   Idontbelieveit   
46   4   Minus15   
47   4   off the laces   
48   4   sabhalphadrig   
49   3   5 Sams   
50   3   Bacon   
51   2   DaddyLongLegs   
52   2   DaUmpire   
53   2   down6061689194   
54   2   razor   
55   1   dundrumite   
56   1   RGU08   
57   0   angermanagement   
58   0   dunroma   
59   0   fitzroyalty   
60   0   goldenyears   
61   0   Long Ball   
62   0   mournerambler   
63   0   NedFlanders   
64   0   Superstar   
65   0   thewobbler   
66   0   Trap 2   
67   0   When We Win   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 10, 2010, 08:59:09 PM
Predictions League (semi finals only)

2 games in SFC
2 games in IFC
2 games in JFC

1   6   DownFanatic
2   6   Dubh driocht
3   6   eyeswideopen
4   6   Johnnie99
5   6   Lecale2
6   6   Maiden1
7   6   Niall Quinn
8   6   No1
9   6   souljaboy
10   6   TheClutch
11   6   western exile
12   5   ApresMatch
13   5   behind the wire
14   5   bredaghgael88
15   5   BRIDGE LAD
16   5   CHB1
17   5   Cloneman
18   5   cokers
19   5   dodgy umpire
20   5   Green + Gold
21   5   Maldini
22   5   Mid Down Gael
23   5   Minus15
24   5   No hoper
25   5   razor
26   5   sabhalphadrig
27   5   Square Ball
28   5   True Blue
29   5   westdowngael
30   4   amallon
31   4   An Cloch Scoilte
32   4   batman
33   4   Bearly on loose
34   4   conormac
35   4   general
36   4   Idontbelieveit
37   4   John Martin
38   4   knockitdown
39   4   Mourne Rover
40   4   supersub
41   4   T O Hare
42   4   umpire
43   3   Brick Tamlin
44   3   catch the high ball
45   3   Marsbarkid
46   3   Out In Front
47   3   RGU08
48   2   Bacon
49   2   DaddyLongLegs
50   2   DaUmpire
51   2   down6061689194
52   2   dundrumite
53   2   Hedgehunter
54   2   Leo
55   2   off the laces
56   1   meatsy86
57   1   Messy Gael
58   1   When We Win
59   0   5 Sams
60   0   angermanagement
61   0   dunroma
62   0   fitzroyalty
63   0   goldenyears
64   0   Long Ball
65   0   mournerambler
66   0   NedFlanders
67   0   Superstar
68   0   thewobbler
69   0   Trap 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 10, 2010, 09:12:41 PM
Predictions League

SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC final
Kilcoo v Rostrevor ----- did that one a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 10, 2010, 09:59:17 PM
Burren
Annaclone
Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on October 10, 2010, 10:00:45 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC final
Kilcoo v Rostrevor ----- i think i have this one done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on October 10, 2010, 10:50:08 PM

Burren
Annaclone
Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 10, 2010, 10:57:31 PM
Bryansford
Tullylish
kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 10, 2010, 11:00:27 PM
Quote from: thegael on October 10, 2010, 08:21:19 PM
Gutted today for Kilcoo but they seemed to go into the game with the wrong mindset , too concerned with the opposition . They were very negative and hadn't enough men up front to get the important scores. Last year they had a devil may care attitude with a great work ethic , this year they seemed nervous , over awed and too concerned with the opposition.I cannt see past Burren but I feel kilcoo lost the chance of back to back titles as opposed to others winning .Kilcoo without a doubt lost the 2010 Championship , it was theirs but they just were nearly afraid to go out and express themselves . They'll be back - no doubt.


                                           the gael takes no prisoners!

very well said.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 10, 2010, 11:02:52 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 10, 2010, 08:00:30 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 10, 2010, 07:21:00 PM
Congratulations to Bryansford who deservedly defeated us today. We hadnt the firepower in attack to take enough scores when on top in the first half, kicking 8 wides, two of them goal chances. The ford gave us problems under the high ball scoring two goals against the run of play.
Our Management where too negative playing with only 4 forwards and truth be told we hadnt as near potent first 15 as what won us last years title.
Congratulations to Bryansford who where comfortable winners on the day, back to the drawing board for Kilcoo.

MGD where was Niall Morgan? Had a great season last year and perhaps may have provided a steady influence in and around the house.

Unfortuntly Nial was suspended for todays game, although he hadnt been featuring at full back this year for some unknown reason anyhow after being our player of the year in 2009.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 10, 2010, 11:05:50 PM
Predictions League

Senior - Burren
Intermediate - Annaclone
Minor - Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 10, 2010, 11:16:41 PM
bford are average imo, if kilcoo had taken their chances early on they might have ran away with it. As for Burren, this championship has fallen into their hands, beat an extremely poor loughinisland, a 1 man ballyholland outfit and a bridge 2nds team. Hopefully it will be an interesting final, hard to see past Burren but if ford can win enough ball round the middle they have a big big chance. King has to play there if ford want to win! end of story!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 10, 2010, 11:34:05 PM
Down fixtures for incoming week

ACFL Division 1
16/10/2010  Kilcoo v  Mayobridge  16:00 Kilcoo Pascal Toner 

ACFL Division 2
16/10/2010  Atticall  v Shamrocks  16:00 Atticall Neill Cousins Round 22
16/10/2010  Ballyholland  v Clann na Banna  16:00 Ballyholland Kieran Trainor Round 22
16/10/2010  Ballymartin  v Saval  16:00 Ballymartin Ned Morgan Round 18
16/10/2010  Kilclief  v Warrenpoint  16:00 Kilclief Mickey Curran Round 22

ACFL Division 3
16/10/2010  Carryduff v  St John Bosco  16:00 Carryduff Eugene O Hare Round 18
16/10/2010  Drumaness v  Ardglass  16:00 Drumaness Gerard Brannigan St Johns Round 18
16/10/2010  Drumgath v   Dundrum  16:00 Drumgath Liam Morgan Round 18
16/10/2010  Saul v  Glenn  16:00 Saul Oliver Burke Round 18
16/10/2010  St Johns  v Glasdrumman  16:00 St Johns Eddie McGrath Round 18

Around A Pound Intermediate Football Championship
17/10/2010  Annaclone v   Tullylish  14:00 Shamrocks Gavin Corrigan 

Morgan Milk Down Senior Football Championship
17/10/2010  Bryansford v   Burren  16:00 Shamrocks Con Reynolds 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on October 10, 2010, 11:35:19 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC final
Kilcoo v Rostrevor

......................................

MFC 'B' final
Saul v Ballyholland

:)  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 10, 2010, 11:48:14 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC final
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 11, 2010, 12:24:01 AM
Just out of curiosity could any one tell me if wee pete has managed any club to a senior championship in Down? 
Kilcoo have one of the best, if not the best, underage systems in Down, any the number of all county championship winning underage teams coming through for them in the next few years is staggering! Kilcoo still the team to beat in the county I believe!
And Burren are yet to shrugg off the nearly men tag in my eyes! If they beat the ford then things may change!
Good to see Conn Reynolds in charge of final, a top referee and there should be no complaints from either team about the whistle blower at the final whistle!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 11, 2010, 01:08:19 AM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC final
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 11, 2010, 06:01:25 AM
I think the best way of looking at yesterdays game would be to compare it to Arsenal vs. Chelsea.


Most of the pretty football came from Kilcoo. Most of the effective football came from Bryansford. I think Jim McCorry might need to have a wee look at himself and question why he lined out a smallish defence against the obvious aerial threat of the 'ford full forward line. Horses for courses Jim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on October 11, 2010, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on October 10, 2010, 06:40:43 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 09, 2010, 09:06:48 PM
Never ever thought the bridge would win that game tonight after the first 10mins. Burren bossed it for long periods and look big odds on favourites to capture the county title now. Cant see ford or kilcoo beatin them.

Looks like the bridge domination is now officially over! Thought with the big appointment at the start of the year of mc enaney they really meant business!

in fairness sexton,garvey and coulter would be a big loss for any club side plus mickey walsh.  bit early to discount the bridge at this stage

To be fair to McEnaney, he hadnt a full deck to deal with, I think any club would struggle to win a senior championship semi final without 4 starting players, 3 of whom are county players and one former county player. So I do think it may be a little early to write off the Bridge. Burren may not be all that if they were made to play without McKernan, Dec Rooney, Sean Murdock and James McGovern. Also I see that alot of people talked about this young Burren team, its not like the Bridge team are dinosaurs, sure Ryan Brady and Keith Quinn were county minors a few year ago. The only one that is over 30 is Woods, and he stood out on Saturday in a good way, he gave a fine display of high fielding, superb stuff.  They need to do some work to find replacement for whenever he does decide to call it a day. In saying that though, Burren can only beat whats put up against them. So they must get credit. Im delighted to see there will be a new name on the cup this year, Bryansford and Burren, 2 former forces in county are out to bridge the gap since thier last wins. I am looking forward to the next few years in the senior championship, It will be more open than ever, with any one of 5 or even 6 teams capable to win it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on October 11, 2010, 12:57:35 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC final
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on October 11, 2010, 01:29:07 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC final
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wavesofTORRES on October 11, 2010, 03:07:01 PM
When and were is the Minor final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on October 11, 2010, 03:07:32 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: twice is nice on October 11, 2010, 03:25:15 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 09, 2010, 03:15:49 AM
Bridge
Byransford
Annaclone
Drumgath

where art thou??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on October 11, 2010, 04:37:02 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on October 11, 2010, 04:41:52 PM
SFC
Burren vs Bryansford

IFC
Annaclone vs Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on October 11, 2010, 04:43:25 PM
Bryansford
Tullylish

Any word on Aidan Brannigan - heard he went to hospital after the match yesterday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on October 11, 2010, 05:05:36 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 11, 2010, 05:21:21 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on October 11, 2010, 04:41:52 PM
SFC
Burren vs Bryansford

IFC
Annaclone vs Tullylish

Same
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on October 11, 2010, 05:29:18 PM
At the match on Saturday, good to see Eoin McCartan back playing football, some point he hit as well.

Wonder how good he could have been if not for all the injuries.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on October 11, 2010, 06:17:32 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC
Annaclone v Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on October 11, 2010, 07:32:21 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC final
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: souljaboy on October 11, 2010, 08:03:24 PM
SFC final
Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone

MFC final
Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stillsenior on October 11, 2010, 08:26:26 PM
When is minor final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 11, 2010, 08:28:36 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on October 11, 2010, 08:26:26 PM
When is minor final

This Friday night in Newcastle at 8pm im lead to believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on October 11, 2010, 09:09:34 PM
Senior.
Burren

Intermediate.
Annaclone

Minor
Kilcoo already done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 11, 2010, 09:39:17 PM
Quote from: twice is nice on October 11, 2010, 03:25:15 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 09, 2010, 03:15:49 AM
Bridge
Byransford
Annaclone
Drumgath

where art thou??

;D

Stilll here and very proud of the players who played on Saturday. Good luck to Burren on Sunday. Do it for South Down.. Cough cough ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 11, 2010, 10:04:47 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 11, 2010, 10:21:23 PM
Quote from: Wee Shea on October 11, 2010, 05:29:18 PM
At the match on Saturday, good to see Eoin McCartan back playing football, some point he hit as well.

Wonder how good he could have been if not for all the injuries.

Very Very good. One of the unluckiest men about, would love to see him get a run at it injury free.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on October 12, 2010, 08:00:50 AM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

Minor - Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 12, 2010, 10:46:40 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 11, 2010, 10:21:23 PM
Quote from: Wee Shea on October 11, 2010, 05:29:18 PM
At the match on Saturday, good to see Eoin McCartan back playing football, some point he hit as well.

Wonder how good he could have been if not for all the injuries.

Very Very good. One of the unluckiest men about, would love to see him get a run at it injury free.

Was delighted to hear that myself. Had supreme promise a few years back. Must be such a relief for him to be back contributing in some manner. Hopefully he'll get a full run at it next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 12, 2010, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 11, 2010, 09:39:17 PM
Quote from: twice is nice on October 11, 2010, 03:25:15 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 09, 2010, 03:15:49 AM
Bridge
Byransford
Annaclone
Drumgath

where art thou??

;D

Stilll here and very proud of the players who played on Saturday. Good luck to Burren on Sunday. Do it for South Down.. Cough cough ;D ;D ;D

I am sure you mean that O'Hare. I remember a friend of yours from Burren describing you in Renshaws one day as the most hated man in Burren ;) :D

I expected more of Burren on Saturday! I thought the Bridge might be finished but if they can get a full panel to pick from then i don't think any team in Down would beat them! I also thought Brendan Rice favoured th lilywhites and should have sent a few Burren players off!
It should be a good county final and i now favour Byransford to capture the title!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on October 12, 2010, 03:25:20 PM
8/13 Burren 15/2 Bryansford 6/4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 12, 2010, 05:27:25 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 12, 2010, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 11, 2010, 09:39:17 PM
Quote from: twice is nice on October 11, 2010, 03:25:15 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 09, 2010, 03:15:49 AM
Bridge
Byransford
Annaclone
Drumgath

where art thou??

;D

Stilll here and very proud of the players who played on Saturday. Good luck to Burren on Sunday. Do it for South Down.. Cough cough ;D ;D ;D

I am sure you mean that O'Hare. I remember a friend of yours from Burren describing you in Renshaws one day as the most hated man in Burren ;) :D

I expected more of Burren on Saturday! I thought the Bridge might be finished but if they can get a full panel to pick from then i don't think any team in Down would beat them! I also thought Brendan Rice favoured th lilywhites and should have sent a few Burren players off!
It should be a good county final and i now favour Byransford to capture the title!

couldn't have been me as i was never in that establishment  :D :D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on October 12, 2010, 06:49:17 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

Started well then drifted away.  Awh well I enjoyed tryin.  Fair play unpire you do a sterling job!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 12, 2010, 07:02:22 PM
Quote from: conormac on October 12, 2010, 06:49:17 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

Started well then drifted away.  Awh well I enjoyed tryin.  Fair play unpire you do a sterling job!!

conormac, Its nice to get a wee bit of  appreciation. this year has been tough one to organise due to Down fantasic run in All-Ireland. Last 2 years were much easier to organised.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 12, 2010, 07:45:10 PM
Have to 2nd that. Umpire doing a great job keeping interest in Champions right to the end.
Not gonna win predictions league myself but there are a few i wanna finish ahead of.
Thanks again for all your hard work Umpire.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 12, 2010, 08:31:54 PM
Yeah fair play to you umpire.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on October 12, 2010, 08:33:29 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 12, 2010, 08:34:41 PM
Out of curiosity, does anyone on here know the names of the Down Junior and Intermediate cups?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on October 12, 2010, 08:59:24 PM
MDG, not sure of the junior but the intermediate is called the WJ Farrell cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: twice is nice on October 12, 2010, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: Wee Shea on October 12, 2010, 03:25:20 PM
8/13 Burren 15/2 Bryansford 6/4
good to see two former lynchpins of down football back competing at the top! two footballing teams steeped in tradition. lets hope it is a great final and that whoever wins can fly the flag for us in ulster... its no secret that the competitive edge with bryansford was factor in us stamping our name on ulster in the eightys, down football deserves them days replicated again...after too many years of nearly men!!!  ;D :P :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on October 12, 2010, 10:29:00 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 13, 2010, 07:46:18 AM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 13, 2010, 10:04:41 AM
Anyone know what dates the play-offs for Division 3 are likely to be on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 13, 2010, 12:27:44 PM
Quote from: maldini on October 13, 2010, 10:04:41 AM
Anyone know what dates the play-offs for Division 3 are likely to be on?
Well we have another three games to play which I imagine the county board will insist on playing. So you are probably looking at 5th and 12th November
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 13, 2010, 12:41:07 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 13, 2010, 12:27:44 PM
Quote from: maldini on October 13, 2010, 10:04:41 AM
Anyone know what dates the play-offs for Division 3 are likely to be on?
Well we have another three games to play which I imagine the county board will insist on playing. So you are probably looking at 5th and 12th November

was thinking the line up for promotion and relegation play offs could be decided after this weekends games and then play-offs begin without the last couple of matches having to be played
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 13, 2010, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: maldini on October 13, 2010, 12:41:07 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 13, 2010, 12:27:44 PM
Quote from: maldini on October 13, 2010, 10:04:41 AM
Anyone know what dates the play-offs for Division 3 are likely to be on?
Well we have another three games to play which I imagine the county board will insist on playing. So you are probably looking at 5th and 12th November

was thinking the line up for promotion and relegation play offs could be decided after this weekends games and then play-offs begin without the last couple of matches having to be played
Hope they will be decided by them myself. However, we played Glenn in a meaningless fixture at end of last season. So I am just going by that as a marker.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 13, 2010, 05:14:59 PM
All-Star awards for McVeigh, Clarke, Hughes & Coulter.
While McKernan will feel unlucky I think the selectors got it right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 13, 2010, 05:57:30 PM
Quote from: Leo on October 13, 2010, 05:14:59 PM
All-Star awards for McVeigh, Clarke, Hughes & Coulter.
While McKernan will feel unlucky I think the selectors got it right.

i thought Kevin was a shoe in and his performances changed Downs season. He has more important things to worry about though with St Marys Clonallen :) :) He will be keen to erase his clubs last two finals defeats :D ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on October 13, 2010, 06:18:55 PM
Quote from: Leo on October 13, 2010, 05:14:59 PM
All-Star awards for McVeigh, Clarke, Hughes & Coulter.
While McKernan will feel unlucky I think the selectors got it right.

Congrats to the 4 boys on their awards. Have to feel for Kevin McKernan, he would have been my first choice out of the down nominees. I feel he was sacraficed as he would have taken 1 of the cork half backs, ie Canty, leaving cork with 3 & down with 5. it was never going to happen that down would have more. the last time the runners-up had more than the winners was in 91 when meath had more awards than down because of the dublin saga. I think the fact that nearly every pundit tipped kevin at CHB just makes it more of a shock. i suppose the cork supporters will be wondering how not 1 forward of the all ireland champions didnt make the cut.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 13, 2010, 06:20:27 PM
Quote from: Leo on October 13, 2010, 05:14:59 PM
All-Star awards for McVeigh, Clarke, Hughes & Coulter.
While McKernan will feel unlucky I think the selectors got it right.

Totally disagree. McKernan was far better than each of the half back line, how Canty got awarded is beyond me. He must be hugely disapointed, and feel very aggrieved.
Paddy Kelly, Michael Darragh McAuley, Rory OCarroll and Daniel Goulding are also very unlucky. OCarroll was better than either corner backs while Goulding won Cork the all Ireland.
Congratulations to Brendy McVeigh and the best 3 footballers in Down IMO, Danny Hughes, Marty Clarke and the brilliant Brendan Coulter who in particular deserves this individual accolade.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 13, 2010, 06:33:28 PM
Delighted for Benny, he has been slogging a long time for Down.  McKernan was hard done by, I thought he was a cert.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on October 13, 2010, 06:43:46 PM
Well done to the 4 winners and especially Benny. I would agree Mckernan deserved one ...would he be in running for YPOTY or will clarke get that ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 13, 2010, 07:28:00 PM
Congratulation to Brendy, Martin, Daniel and especially Benny.

Major disappointment for McKernan. For me, he was a big game  player who delivered major input in Down bid to win All Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: twice is nice on October 13, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
Quote from: True Blue on October 13, 2010, 06:18:55 PM
Quote from: Leo on October 13, 2010, 05:14:59 PM
All-Star awards for McVeigh, Clarke, Hughes & Coulter.
While McKernan will feel unlucky I think the selectors got it right.

Congrats to the 4 boys on their awards. Have to feel for Kevin McKernan, he would have been my first choice out of the down nominees. I feel he was sacraficed as he would have taken 1 of the cork half backs, ie Canty, leaving cork with 3 & down with 5. it was never going to happen that down would have more. the last time the runners-up had more than the winners was in 91 when meath had more awards than down because of the dublin saga. I think the fact that nearly every pundit tipped kevin at CHB just makes it more of a shock. i suppose the cork supporters will be wondering how not 1 forward of the all ireland champions didnt make the cut.
congrats to our allstar recipients, each 1 fully deserves their accolade but probably none more so than benny, a brilliant servant to down and  all round leader illustrated better than ever in the game with donegal!! His displays for down over the years alone leave him worthy of his award. With regard to kevin, yes he will feel rightly aggrieved as i believe he would have been stronger candidate than philip jordan, think cantys pedigree over the last few years perhaps swayed the decision but have no doubt that after shaky start to our ulster campaign kevin has made no 6 his own and will continue to show his worth there in return becoming household name throughout ireland and spoken in same regards as the bennys, cantys etc.. an allstar will be on his mantlepiece in the future hopefully along with many other honours shared with his teammates!! both down and club(burren) { clonallon is a townland between burren and warrenpoint} where as hilltown is neighbouring ;D club to the bridge, thats free geography lesson for t o h
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 13, 2010, 10:23:06 PM
Quote from: twice is nice on October 13, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
Quote from: True Blue on October 13, 2010, 06:18:55 PM
Quote from: Leo on October 13, 2010, 05:14:59 PM
All-Star awards for McVeigh, Clarke, Hughes & Coulter.
While McKernan will feel unlucky I think the selectors got it right.

Congrats to the 4 boys on their awards. Have to feel for Kevin McKernan, he would have been my first choice out of the down nominees. I feel he was sacraficed as he would have taken 1 of the cork half backs, ie Canty, leaving cork with 3 & down with 5. it was never going to happen that down would have more. the last time the runners-up had more than the winners was in 91 when meath had more awards than down because of the dublin saga. I think the fact that nearly every pundit tipped kevin at CHB just makes it more of a shock. i suppose the cork supporters will be wondering how not 1 forward of the all ireland champions didnt make the cut.
congrats to our allstar recipients, each 1 fully deserves their accolade but probably none more so than benny, a brilliant servant to down and  all round leader illustrated better than ever in the game with donegal!! His displays for down over the years alone leave him worthy of his award. With regard to kevin, yes he will feel rightly aggrieved as i believe he would have been stronger candidate than philip jordan, think cantys pedigree over the last few years perhaps swayed the decision but have no doubt that after shaky start to our ulster campaign kevin has made no 6 his own and will continue to show his worth there in return becoming household name throughout ireland and spoken in same regards as the bennys, cantys etc.. an allstar will be on his mantlepiece in the future hopefully along with many other honours shared with his teammates!! both down and club(burren) { clonallon is a townland between burren and warrenpoint} where as hilltown is neighbouring ;D club to the bridge, thats free geography lesson for t o h

where most of the players are from ;) haha
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 13, 2010, 10:26:41 PM
McKernan is unlucky, as he was outstanding in the three big games at Croke Park which usually decide the selection. However, he was also dropped earlier in the championship, which may have counted against him, and he should hopefully have plenty more chances to seal his All Star. Realistically, four is as many as beaten finalists can expect. Benny is our inspiration and had get to his recognition at last, while it is difficult to see how Clarke and Hughes could have missed out. McVeigh was the best keeper in Ireland, pure and simple, so we can be pretty happy with the outcome overall. We have not even had a nomination for over a decade and now we have four on the team.l
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 13, 2010, 10:27:01 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 13, 2010, 10:23:06 PM
Quote from: twice is nice on October 13, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
Quote from: True Blue on October 13, 2010, 06:18:55 PM
Quote from: Leo on October 13, 2010, 05:14:59 PM
All-Star awards for McVeigh, Clarke, Hughes & Coulter.
While McKernan will feel unlucky I think the selectors got it right.

Congrats to the 4 boys on their awards. Have to feel for Kevin McKernan, he would have been my first choice out of the down nominees. I feel he was sacraficed as he would have taken 1 of the cork half backs, ie Canty, leaving cork with 3 & down with 5. it was never going to happen that down would have more. the last time the runners-up had more than the winners was in 91 when meath had more awards than down because of the dublin saga. I think the fact that nearly every pundit tipped kevin at CHB just makes it more of a shock. i suppose the cork supporters will be wondering how not 1 forward of the all ireland champions didnt make the cut.
congrats to our allstar recipients, each 1 fully deserves their accolade but probably none more so than benny, a brilliant servant to down and  all round leader illustrated better than ever in the game with donegal!! His displays for down over the years alone leave him worthy of his award. With regard to kevin, yes he will feel rightly aggrieved as i believe he would have been stronger candidate than philip jordan, think cantys pedigree over the last few years perhaps swayed the decision but have no doubt that after shaky start to our ulster campaign kevin has made no 6 his own and will continue to show his worth there in return becoming household name throughout ireland and spoken in same regards as the bennys, cantys etc.. an allstar will be on his mantlepiece in the future hopefully along with many other honours shared with his teammates!! both down and club(burren) { clonallon is a townland between burren and warrenpoint} where as hilltown is neighbouring ;D club to the bridge, thats free geography lesson for t o h

where most of the players are from ;) haha

The rest live in and around Saval/Mayobridge!!! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: UGAAWA on October 13, 2010, 11:45:50 PM
Ulster Gaels' big night out!

Tickets are now on sale for the 23rd Ulster GAA Writers' Association Banquet which will be held this year in the Slieve Russell Hotel, Co Cavan.

The Quinn Insurance Ulster GAA Writers Banquet is the only awards ceremony that honours players from all codes and grass-roots Gaels.

There is plenty to celebrate this year with Down's run to the All-Ireland SFC final, Tyrone lifting the minor title, Antrim's hurlers regaining their place amongst the sport's big guns, St Galls' march to All Ireland glory, the ladies of Tyrone and Donegal on the All Ireland stage, Paul Brady continuing to set the world handball benchmark and the Saffron camógs' All Ireland among the Ulster success stories.

As usual a star-studded guest list from all codes will celebrate all that is good in Gaelic games in the province. Tickets are priced £50 or €60 and are available by contacting Tony McGee at tony.mcgee@btinternet.com or visit www.ulstergaawriters.com for full details.

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 14, 2010, 12:45:23 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 13, 2010, 10:27:01 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 13, 2010, 10:23:06 PM
Quote from: twice is nice on October 13, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
Quote from: True Blue on October 13, 2010, 06:18:55 PM
Quote from: Leo on October 13, 2010, 05:14:59 PM
All-Star awards for McVeigh, Clarke, Hughes & Coulter.
While McKernan will feel unlucky I think the selectors got it right.

Congrats to the 4 boys on their awards. Have to feel for Kevin McKernan, he would have been my first choice out of the down nominees. I feel he was sacraficed as he would have taken 1 of the cork half backs, ie Canty, leaving cork with 3 & down with 5. it was never going to happen that down would have more. the last time the runners-up had more than the winners was in 91 when meath had more awards than down because of the dublin saga. I think the fact that nearly every pundit tipped kevin at CHB just makes it more of a shock. i suppose the cork supporters will be wondering how not 1 forward of the all ireland champions didnt make the cut.
congrats to our allstar recipients, each 1 fully deserves their accolade but probably none more so than benny, a brilliant servant to down and  all round leader illustrated better than ever in the game with donegal!! His displays for down over the years alone leave him worthy of his award. With regard to kevin, yes he will feel rightly aggrieved as i believe he would have been stronger candidate than philip jordan, think cantys pedigree over the last few years perhaps swayed the decision but have no doubt that after shaky start to our ulster campaign kevin has made no 6 his own and will continue to show his worth there in return becoming household name throughout ireland and spoken in same regards as the bennys, cantys etc.. an allstar will be on his mantlepiece in the future hopefully along with many other honours shared with his teammates!! both down and club(burren) { clonallon is a townland between burren and warrenpoint} where as hilltown is neighbouring ;D club to the bridge, thats free geography lesson for t o h

where most of the players are from ;) haha

The rest live in and around Saval/Mayobridge!!! ;D

There is also part of the parish in Donegal, Fermanagh and Louth  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 14, 2010, 08:51:12 AM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor


Up Aghaderg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on October 14, 2010, 09:02:00 AM
lads what is the process for picking the allstars, I can't get my head round the Graham Canty one, is it a bit like giggs getting the sports personality award from the BBC a year ago??/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 14, 2010, 10:14:16 AM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 14, 2010, 10:20:56 AM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 14, 2010, 10:52:56 AM
who was Charlie Harrison marking in Breffni that night?
never noticed any potential allstars in the Sligo defence
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 14, 2010, 02:00:59 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 14, 2010, 02:14:04 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor

 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on October 14, 2010, 02:41:38 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trap 2 on October 14, 2010, 07:14:03 PM
maldini think he was marking ronan murtagh for the second half anyway!! he held rony to just the 1.5!!! that obviously sealed his all star!!! joke!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: idontbelieveit on October 14, 2010, 08:33:35 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on October 14, 2010, 09:29:09 PM
Quote from: idontbelieveit on October 14, 2010, 08:33:35 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor

same for me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on October 14, 2010, 09:30:58 PM
Quote from: True Blue on October 14, 2010, 09:29:09 PM
Quote from: idontbelieveit on October 14, 2010, 08:33:35 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor

same for me

although i must confess i would love it if my first prediction is wrong, LOVE IT!!!!!!!!
Im going with my head on that 1 not my heart!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 14, 2010, 09:36:21 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: twice is nice on October 14, 2010, 09:40:18 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 14, 2010, 12:45:23 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 13, 2010, 10:27:01 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 13, 2010, 10:23:06 PM
Quote from: twice is nice on October 13, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
Quote from: True Blue on October 13, 2010, 06:18:55 PM
Quote from: Leo on October 13, 2010, 05:14:59 PM
All-Star awards for McVeigh, Clarke, Hughes & Coulter.
While McKernan will feel unlucky I think the selectors got it right.

Congrats to the 4 boys on their awards. Have to feel for Kevin McKernan, he would have been my first choice out of the down nominees. I feel he was sacraficed as he would have taken 1 of the cork half backs, ie Canty, leaving cork with 3 & down with 5. it was never going to happen that down would have more. the last time the runners-up had more than the winners was in 91 when meath had more awards than down because of the dublin saga. I think the fact that nearly every pundit tipped kevin at CHB just makes it more of a shock. i suppose the cork supporters will be wondering how not 1 forward of the all ireland champions didnt make the cut.
congrats to our allstar recipients, each 1 fully deserves their accolade but probably none more so than benny, a brilliant servant to down and  all round leader illustrated better than ever in the game with donegal!! His displays for down over the years alone leave him worthy of his award. With regard to kevin, yes he will feel rightly aggrieved as i believe he would have been stronger candidate than philip jordan, think cantys pedigree over the last few years perhaps swayed the decision but have no doubt that after shaky start to our ulster campaign kevin has made no 6 his own and will continue to show his worth there in return becoming household name throughout ireland and spoken in same regards as the bennys, cantys etc.. an allstar will be on his mantlepiece in the future hopefully along with many other honours shared with his teammates!! both down and club(burren) { clonallon is a townland between burren and warrenpoint} where as hilltown is neighbouring ;D club to the bridge, thats free geography lesson for t o h

where most of the players are from ;) haha

The rest live in and around Saval/Mayobridge!!! ;D

There is also part of the parish in Donegal, Fermanagh and Louth  ;D ;D
ud hardly expect them boys 2 travel tat dist 4 club game, 1of ur stalwarts cudnt evn manage journey up ndown 2 point!! ::) with no disrespect to other clubs, evry1 wud rather wake up at hilton hotel rather than a hostel!! hence we have up n coming youngsters 2 ply trade at 2nds level etc.. wile....... u hav 48 yr old legends, (class act tho!!) ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 14, 2010, 10:15:26 PM
I blame the parents and to a lesser extent teachers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wee Shea on October 14, 2010, 10:55:30 PM
My head hurts reading that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 15, 2010, 07:33:16 AM
Quote from: twice is nice on October 14, 2010, 09:40:18 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 14, 2010, 12:45:23 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 13, 2010, 10:27:01 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 13, 2010, 10:23:06 PM
Quote from: twice is nice on October 13, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
Quote from: True Blue on October 13, 2010, 06:18:55 PM
Quote from: Leo on October 13, 2010, 05:14:59 PM
All-Star awards for McVeigh, Clarke, Hughes & Coulter.
While McKernan will feel unlucky I think the selectors got it right.

Congrats to the 4 boys on their awards. Have to feel for Kevin McKernan, he would have been my first choice out of the down nominees. I feel he was sacraficed as he would have taken 1 of the cork half backs, ie Canty, leaving cork with 3 & down with 5. it was never going to happen that down would have more. the last time the runners-up had more than the winners was in 91 when meath had more awards than down because of the dublin saga. I think the fact that nearly every pundit tipped kevin at CHB just makes it more of a shock. i suppose the cork supporters will be wondering how not 1 forward of the all ireland champions didnt make the cut.
congrats to our allstar recipients, each 1 fully deserves their accolade but probably none more so than benny, a brilliant servant to down and  all round leader illustrated better than ever in the game with donegal!! His displays for down over the years alone leave him worthy of his award. With regard to kevin, yes he will feel rightly aggrieved as i believe he would have been stronger candidate than philip jordan, think cantys pedigree over the last few years perhaps swayed the decision but have no doubt that after shaky start to our ulster campaign kevin has made no 6 his own and will continue to show his worth there in return becoming household name throughout ireland and spoken in same regards as the bennys, cantys etc.. an allstar will be on his mantlepiece in the future hopefully along with many other honours shared with his teammates!! both down and club(burren) { clonallon is a townland between burren and warrenpoint} where as hilltown is neighbouring ;D club to the bridge, thats free geography lesson for t o h

where most of the players are from ;) haha

The rest live in and around Saval/Mayobridge!!! ;D

There is also part of the parish in Donegal, Fermanagh and Louth  ;D ;D
ud hardly expect them boys 2 travel tat dist 4 club game, 1of ur stalwarts cudnt evn manage journey up ndown 2 point!! ::) with no disrespect to other clubs, evry1 wud rather wake up at hilton hotel rather than a hostel!! hence we have up n coming youngsters 2 ply trade at 2nds level etc.. wile....... u hav 48 yr old legends, (class act tho!!) ;D

Most of your stalwarts seem to manage the journey up and down to the point ;) ;)  ;D
As for the seconds , ten of the team which won the championship were under 20 and is it not worrying that your up and coming youngsters could not handle a 47 year old :D :D
Good luck on Sunday though, we have the same parish priest and who knows he could amalgamate the two clubs like Cabra and Hilltown after 57 :D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 15, 2010, 10:08:20 AM
twice is nice, explain the Hilton /Hostel comment if you will.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnie99 on October 15, 2010, 10:39:54 AM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Think i already predicted this one before anyway
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on October 15, 2010, 11:38:02 AM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 15, 2010, 02:50:06 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on October 15, 2010, 03:38:33 PM
SFC

Burren v Bryansford

IFC

Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC

Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on October 15, 2010, 04:07:37 PM
MFC

Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 15, 2010, 04:08:49 PM
It's a bit unfortunte that the minors have been switched away from their traditional slot before the senior final, and have to play under floodlights tonight in front of a much smaller crowd. An evening game would probably have been better for the intermediate final as well. Anyway, congratulations to Umpire for all his work on the predictions league,

SFC BUREN v B/ford.

IFC A/Clone v TULLYLISH

MFC KILCOO v Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 15, 2010, 04:12:59 PM
was going to say, how come the minor final isnt on before the senior final? Is there a reason or did they just decide to change it for change sake?

though minor b & intermediate fri night with minor a & senior sun would have been the ticket!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on October 15, 2010, 05:08:10 PM
TwiceisNice, stop talking shite, and use proper grammar please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 15, 2010, 05:46:57 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 15, 2010, 07:33:16 AM
Quote from: twice is nice on October 14, 2010, 09:40:18 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 14, 2010, 12:45:23 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 13, 2010, 10:27:01 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 13, 2010, 10:23:06 PM
Quote from: twice is nice on October 13, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
Quote from: True Blue on October 13, 2010, 06:18:55 PM
Quote from: Leo on October 13, 2010, 05:14:59 PM
All-Star awards for McVeigh, Clarke, Hughes & Coulter.
While McKernan will feel unlucky I think the selectors got it right.

Congrats to the 4 boys on their awards. Have to feel for Kevin McKernan, he would have been my first choice out of the down nominees. I feel he was sacraficed as he would have taken 1 of the cork half backs, ie Canty, leaving cork with 3 & down with 5. it was never going to happen that down would have more. the last time the runners-up had more than the winners was in 91 when meath had more awards than down because of the dublin saga. I think the fact that nearly every pundit tipped kevin at CHB just makes it more of a shock. i suppose the cork supporters will be wondering how not 1 forward of the all ireland champions didnt make the cut.
congrats to our allstar recipients, each 1 fully deserves their accolade but probably none more so than benny, a brilliant servant to down and  all round leader illustrated better than ever in the game with donegal!! His displays for down over the years alone leave him worthy of his award. With regard to kevin, yes he will feel rightly aggrieved as i believe he would have been stronger candidate than philip jordan, think cantys pedigree over the last few years perhaps swayed the decision but have no doubt that after shaky start to our ulster campaign kevin has made no 6 his own and will continue to show his worth there in return becoming household name throughout ireland and spoken in same regards as the bennys, cantys etc.. an allstar will be on his mantlepiece in the future hopefully along with many other honours shared with his teammates!! both down and club(burren) { clonallon is a townland between burren and warrenpoint} where as hilltown is neighbouring ;D club to the bridge, thats free geography lesson for t o h

where most of the players are from ;) haha

The rest live in and around Saval/Mayobridge!!! ;D

There is also part of the parish in Donegal, Fermanagh and Louth  ;D ;D
ud hardly expect them boys 2 travel tat dist 4 club game, 1of ur stalwarts cudnt evn manage journey up ndown 2 point!! ::) with no disrespect to other clubs, evry1 wud rather wake up at hilton hotel rather than a hostel!! hence we have up n coming youngsters 2 ply trade at 2nds level etc.. wile....... u hav 48 yr old legends, (class act tho!!) ;D

Most of your stalwarts seem to manage the journey up and down to the point ;) ;)  ;D
As for the seconds , ten of the team which won the championship were under 20 and is it not worrying that your up and coming youngstjavascript:void(0);ers could not handle a 47 year old :D :D
Good luck on Sunday though, we have the same parish priest and who knows he could amalgamate the two clubs like Cabra and Hilltown after 57 :D ;D ;)

I would safely say your still up there with "the most hated man in Burren title", but knowing you Tom, you will be proud of that :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 15, 2010, 05:58:47 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 15, 2010, 04:08:49 PM
It's a bit unfortunte that the minors have been switched away from their traditional slot before the senior final, and have to play under floodlights tonight in front of a much smaller crowd. An evening game would probably have been better for the intermediate final as well. Anyway, congratulations to Umpire for all his work on the predictions league,SFC BUREN v B/ford.

IFC A/Clone v TULLYLISH

MFC KILCOO v Rostrevor

Second that, fair play to you Umpire, you put a lot of time and effort into it and its appreciated from all the ones involved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 15, 2010, 07:11:11 PM
Quote from: John Martin on October 15, 2010, 11:38:02 AM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

MFC
Kilcoo v Rostrevor
Same for me and well done Umpire- class job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on October 15, 2010, 08:27:36 PM
Saul 1-11 Ballyholland 0-11
Minor B Final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 15, 2010, 09:22:40 PM
Kilcoo winning by a good bit at half time!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 15, 2010, 09:36:20 PM
Kilcoo by 6 or 7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 15, 2010, 10:00:14 PM
Kilcoo won by 7 in a decent game of football played in front of a big crowd. Caolan Mooney gave a terrific individual display as did Ryan Johnston for Kilcoo, the running of both these men on the ball was worth the admission fee alone.
Congrats to Saul on beating Ballyholland to capture the B title.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 15, 2010, 10:14:57 PM
Kilcoo 1-11 Rostrevor 1-5

Rostrevor started the game at a blistering pace getting the first point of the match and seemed to be in fair control for the first 10mins or so. They were desperately unlucky when hitting the crossbar, the Kilcoo keeper was too committed to the ball and the Rostrevor forward made a delightful chip over him to jus hit the crossbar, which would have put them 4up and in firm control.
Then the turning point, Kilcoo half forward Ollie McClean got the line for kicking his marker after a bit of handbags between the two, the Rostrevor man possibly lucky to get away with nothing at all.
After this how ever Kilcoo got the kickstart they needed and lorded the rest of the half racking up 1-8 and cruising at half time by 10points.
The second half was played at a great pace and Caolan Mooney had a great half of football, a number of mazy runs and chipping in with the scores, the Rostrevor man picked back the scoring single handily it seemed. Rostrevor hit the woodwork twice, once through a penalty and one through open play, this I felt was the undoing of them. Rostrevor had a man sent off for a second bookable offence and that steadied Kilcoos ship.

At the end of the day i thought Rostrevor were desperately unlucky with their goal opportunities and in hindsight maybe should took the points more often instead of going to the net in almost every attack. Their player of the match was by far Caolan Mooney

Kilcoo had impressive performances all over the pitch, namely the two Johnson brothers shining. Ryan worked like a Trojan and was the playmaker for Kilcoo, while Jerome plucked the scores of the Magpies.

Kilcoo were worth their salt in this final and are worthy back to back champions-all the best in Ulster!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2010, 10:37:28 PM
Well done to our brilliant minor team on tonights county championship success, two in a row and should have been 3 if not for an awful refereeing robbery in 2008.
Rostrevor battled bravely in the second half after we led by ten at the interval, kicking 8 wides in the process. Caolan Mooney gave a display of pure brilliance. The lad is as good as ive seen at underage level in Down, the best since Benny Coulter and Mickey Walsh for the Bridge in their juvenile days. He is going to be some loss to Down football. At the presentation afterwards people where more interested in commending this amazing player rather that talk about the Kilcoo success.
Nial Kane, Aaron Morgan, JJ McLaughlin, Martin Devlin and Cillian Laverty played staring roles while Ryan Johnston gave a great performance, our best player on the night scoring 0-5. Jerome Johnston and Darragh OHanlon where not as good as usual but stil provided great leadership and provided the crowd with some great moments.
Congratulations to Barney McEvoy, Terry OHanlon, Sean Gribben and Jimmy Doherty in leading the lads to back to back championships, a very positive management team. If only our senior management hadnt had messed up we could have been going for back to back senior titles as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on October 15, 2010, 10:58:03 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2010, 10:37:28 PM
Well done to our brilliant minor team on tonights county championship success, two in a row and should have been 3 if not for an awful refereeing robbery in 2008.
Rostrevor battled bravely in the second half after we led by ten at the interval, kicking 8 wides in the process. Caolan Mooney gave a display of pure brilliance. The lad is as good as ive seen at underage level in Down, the best since Benny Coulter and Mickey Walsh for the Bridge in their juvenile days. He is going to be some loss to Down football. At the presentation afterwards people where more interested in commending this amazing player rather that talk about the Kilcoo success.
Nial Kane, Aaron Morgan, JJ McLaughlin, Martin Devlin and Cillian Laverty played staring roles while Ryan Johnston gave a great performance, our best player on the night scoring 0-5. Jerome Johnston and Darragh OHanlon where not as good as usual but stil provided great leadership and provided the crowd with some great moments.
Congratulations to Barney McEvoy, Terry OHanlon, Sean Gribben and Jimmy Doherty in leading the lads to back to back championships, a very positive management team. If only our senior management hadnt had messed up we could have been going for back to back senior titles as well.

If the Titanic hadn't have hit an Iceberg she'd still be the best cruiseliner in the world, get over it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 15, 2010, 10:58:11 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2010, 10:37:28 PM
Well done to our brilliant minor team on tonights county championship success, two in a row and should have been 3 if not for an awful refereeing robbery in 2008.
Rostrevor battled bravely in the second half after we led by ten at the interval, kicking 8 wides in the process. Caolan Mooney gave a display of pure brilliance. The lad is as good as ive seen at underage level in Down, the best since Benny Coulter and Mickey Walsh for the Bridge in their juvenile days. He is going to be some loss to Down football. At the presentation afterwards people where more interested in commending this amazing player rather that talk about the Kilcoo success.
Nial Kane, Aaron Morgan, JJ McLaughlin, Martin Devlin and Cillian Laverty played staring roles while Ryan Johnston gave a great performance, our best player on the night scoring 0-5. Jerome Johnston and Darragh OHanlon where not as good as usual but stil provided great leadership and provided the crowd with some great moments.
Congratulations to Barney McEvoy, Terry OHanlon, Sean Gribben and Jimmy Doherty in leading the lads to back to back championships, a very positive management team. If only our senior management hadnt had messed up we could have been going for back to back senior titles as well.
What happened in 2008?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 15, 2010, 11:02:36 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 15, 2010, 10:58:11 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2010, 10:37:28 PM
Well done to our brilliant minor team on tonights county championship success, two in a row and should have been 3 if not for an awful refereeing robbery in 2008.
Rostrevor battled bravely in the second half after we led by ten at the interval, kicking 8 wides in the process. Caolan Mooney gave a display of pure brilliance. The lad is as good as ive seen at underage level in Down, the best since Benny Coulter and Mickey Walsh for the Bridge in their juvenile days. He is going to be some loss to Down football. At the presentation afterwards people where more interested in commending this amazing player rather that talk about the Kilcoo success.
Nial Kane, Aaron Morgan, JJ McLaughlin, Martin Devlin and Cillian Laverty played staring roles while Ryan Johnston gave a great performance, our best player on the night scoring 0-5. Jerome Johnston and Darragh OHanlon where not as good as usual but stil provided great leadership and provided the crowd with some great moments.
Congratulations to Barney McEvoy, Terry OHanlon, Sean Gribben and Jimmy Doherty in leading the lads to back to back championships, a very positive management team. If only our senior management hadnt had messed up we could have been going for back to back senior titles as well.
What happened in 2008?

After a replay against Mayobridge the referee wrongly sent one of the Kilcoo boys off i think, or denied them a blatant penalty, or something pretty controversial!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2010, 11:04:41 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on October 15, 2010, 10:58:03 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2010, 10:37:28 PM
Well done to our brilliant minor team on tonights county championship success, two in a row and should have been 3 if not for an awful refereeing robbery in 2008.
Rostrevor battled bravely in the second half after we led by ten at the interval, kicking 8 wides in the process. Caolan Mooney gave a display of pure brilliance. The lad is as good as ive seen at underage level in Down, the best since Benny Coulter and Mickey Walsh for the Bridge in their juvenile days. He is going to be some loss to Down football. At the presentation afterwards people where more interested in commending this amazing player rather that talk about the Kilcoo success.
Nial Kane, Aaron Morgan, JJ McLaughlin, Martin Devlin and Cillian Laverty played staring roles while Ryan Johnston gave a great performance, our best player on the night scoring 0-5. Jerome Johnston and Darragh OHanlon where not as good as usual but stil provided great leadership and provided the crowd with some great moments.
Congratulations to Barney McEvoy, Terry OHanlon, Sean Gribben and Jimmy Doherty in leading the lads to back to back championships, a very positive management team. If only our senior management hadnt had messed up we could have been going for back to back senior titles as well.

If the Titanic hadn't have hit an Iceberg she'd still be the best cruiseliner in the world, get over it.

Very smart.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 15, 2010, 11:16:18 PM
Caolan Mooney is indeed a massive loss to Down football, and the county minor side could have been built around him next year. His great uncle, Dalsey Mooney, was among the top five Down minors of the last 50 years - together with Greg Blaney, James McCartan, Benny Coulter and Martin Clarke in my opinion - but injury meant that he never played senior county football. Caolan is potentially capable of getting to the same level, so hopefully he will do well, but not any more than that, in Australia, and return while he is still eligible for the u21s.

Kilcoo will provide the backbone of the Down minor team in 2011 anyway, and must be strong favourites to make it three in a row in the club MFC. Of those Kilcoo pl.ayers who are available again next year, Ryan Johnston is an outstanding athlete as well as a fine footballer and Marty Devlin is a hugely talented forward. Darragh O'Hanlon has yet to find his u16 form, but has the ability to slot into a range of positions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2010, 11:21:43 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 15, 2010, 11:16:18 PM
Caolan Mooney is indeed a massive loss to Down football, and the county minor side could have been built around him next year. His great uncle, Dalsey Mooney, was among the top five Down minors of the last 50 years - together with Greg Blaney, James McCartan, Benny Coulter and Martin Clarke in my opinion - but injury meant that he never played senior county football. Caolan is potentially capable of getting to the same level, so hopefully he will do well, but not any more than that, in Australia, and return while he is still eligible for the u21s.

Kilcoo will provide the backbone of the Down minor team in 2011 anyway, and must be strong favourites to make it three in a row in the club MFC. Of those Kilcoo pl.ayers who are available again next year, Ryan Johnston is an outstanding athlete as well as a fine footballer and Marty Devlin is a hugely talented forward. Darragh O'Hanlon has yet to find his u16 form, but has the ability to slot into a range of positions.

Mooney will be available to the minors in 2011. He is not heading Collingwood to October as far as im aware.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 16, 2010, 12:03:12 AM
Are there league Matches tomorrow (sat)?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on October 16, 2010, 12:59:02 AM
SFC FINAL
Burren v Bryansford

IFC FINAL
Annaclone v Tullylish

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on October 16, 2010, 07:55:18 AM
yep matches in div.1,2 and 3 i think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on October 16, 2010, 08:56:00 AM
Mdg is right, Mooney will be available for minors! He is a great talent as well as Ryan Johnstone, Down Minors shall have a great chance next year. Who is managing them? Also like to say to Umpire, great job again this year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 16, 2010, 10:33:55 AM
SFC FINAL
Burren v Bryansford

IFC FINAL
Annaclone v Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 16, 2010, 10:54:40 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 16, 2010, 12:03:12 AM
Are there league Matches tomorrow (sat)?

Kilcoo v Bridge at 4pm in a rather meaningless game for us to bring our 2010 season to a conclusion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on October 16, 2010, 11:57:05 AM
Have to disagree with you Mourne, last night and indeed the u-16's finals played the previous weekend under lights was just brilliant. It allowed the young lads to go out with their peers (A and B finalists) and play football without being over awed or sidetracked by the senior final. It gave them a great opportunity to play under lights in front of 2 very big crowds on each night. The standard of each final was at the highest level  and a credit to their respective clubs. The atmosphere generated from the stand was electric at times and it just simply would not have got the same attention if played before a senior final during the day. I've been too many a final where the minors was only an add on with the crowds not arriving to well into the second half or after the match. It also allowed true gaels the opportunity to see the standards throughout our county as alot of people would before have only had a passing interest in the B final where now it has equal billing and you could have a chance to view some of the so called lesser lights in the county. Well done to Bord na Nog, keep it up Sean McC, I think you are on a winner here. Also you could actually hear the pa system where in Newry it was like listening to a dalek.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on October 16, 2010, 02:56:17 PM

SFC FINAL
Burren v Bryansford

IFC FINAL
Annaclone v Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 16, 2010, 03:37:16 PM
Last meeting in  Down Senior Football Championship
2006 Quarter-final
Burren 2.11    Bryansford 1.9

Burren team
Glen McMahon
Ronan McGivern, Daniel McCartan, Brian Murphy 0.1;
James McGovern 0.5, Chris McGovern, Ronan McGovern;
Sean Ward, Declan Rooney;
Conor McCann 1.0, Kevin McKernan 0.3 Eamon McGovern;
Aidan McGivern 0.1, PJ McAlinden 0.1,  Kevin McGivern 1.0;
Sub
Ciaran Bryne for PJ McAlinden.

Bryansford team
Sean James Brannigan;
Stevie Toner; Andrew Kane, Luke Howard;
John Cunninghan, Simon Poland, David Morgan;
Brian Burns, Aidan Carvill;
Chris Brannigan 0.5, Conor Gribben 1.1, Aidan Shields 0.1;
Ciaran Brannigan, Shane King 0.1, Gerard Morgan;
Subs used
Joe Ireland for Aidan Shields, Conor Maginn 0.1 for John Cunninghan and Colm Kearney for David Morgan.

Burren last  appearance in SFC Final
2006

Burren 0.4 Mayobridge 1.10
Mark Rocks
Ronan McGivern, Daniel McCartan, Brian Murphy;
James McGovern 0.5, Chris McGovern, Ronan McGovern;
Sean Ward, Declan Rooney;
Conor McCann, Kevin McKernan 0.1 Eamon McGovern 0.1;
Kevin McGivern 0.1, Ciaran Byrne PJ McAlinden 0.1;
Subs used
Aidan McGivern for ?, Eoin McCartan for Chris McGovern, Glen McMahon for Kevin McGivern, Ciaran McGovern for Brian Murphy.
Garrett McFerran for PJ McAlinden,

Bryansford last appearance in Down SFC final
2005
Bryansford 0.7 Mayobridge 0.13

Peter Travers;
Jim Magorrian, Andrew Kane, Stevie Toner;
Simon Poland, Aidan Shields, Ciaran McLaughlin;
Adrain Carville 0.1, Brian Burns;
Chris Brannigan 0.4, Shane King 0.1, Joe Ireland;
Ciaran Brannigan, Colm Kearney, Conor Gribben;
Subs used
Gerard McCrickard for Joe Ireland, Gerard Morgan 0.1 for Simon Poland, Dara Neeson for Stevie Toner, Mickey Valentine for Conor Gribben and Joe Ireland for Adrian Carville.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 16, 2010, 05:32:19 PM
Division one Result

Kilcoo 1-10 Mayobridge 0-8

Game marred by what looks like broken ankles sustained by young players Kieth Quinn and Miceal Devlin. Both lads away to Diasy Hill in ambulance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 16, 2010, 05:47:30 PM
Drumgath and drundrum drew. Drumgath now in the promotion playoff while dundrum are safe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 16, 2010, 05:50:34 PM
Harps beat Banbridge - any other results from div2?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on October 16, 2010, 06:19:45 PM
Div 3
Drumaness 4-19 Ardglass 1-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 16, 2010, 06:27:26 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 16, 2010, 05:47:30 PM
Drumgath and drundrum drew. Drumgath now in the promotion playoff while dundrum are safe.

Dundrum not just safe yet. 21 points is the magic number for safety and ourselves, Carryduff and Ardglass are all on 20 points.
Bredagh are condemned to relegation playoffs. Saul are on 18 points and need to beat us in their last game to have anychance of getting out of the playoffs.

Just looking there. If Drumaness win their last two and and Bosco lose their last two then Bosco will go down automatically as Drumaness have the better head to head record with two wins over the Bosco.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 16, 2010, 06:31:11 PM
Division 3

16/10/2010  Carryduff  2 - 8 v 0 - 7 St John Bosco  16:00 Round 18
16/10/2010  Drumaness  4 - 17 v 1 - 11 Ardglass  16:00 Round 18
16/10/2010  Drumgath  0 - 14 v 1 - 11 Dundrum  16:00 Round 18
16/10/2010  Saul  5 - 8 v 0 - 11 Glenn  16:00 Round 18
16/10/2010  St Johns  0 - 11 v 0 - 10 Glasdrumman  16:00 Round 18

Division 2

16/10/2010  Atticall  1 - 10 v 1 - 12 Shamrocks  16:00 Round 22
16/10/2010  Ballyholland  2 - 20 v 0 - 9 Clann na Banna  16:00 Round 22
16/10/2010  Kilclief  1 - 16 v 0 - 16 Warrenpoint  16:00 Round 22
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 16, 2010, 06:36:28 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 16, 2010, 06:27:26 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 16, 2010, 05:47:30 PM
Drumgath and drundrum drew. Drumgath now in the promotion playoff while dundrum are safe.

Dundrum not just safe yet. 21 points is the magic number for safety and ourselves, Carryduff and Ardglass are all on 20 points.
Bredagh and Bosco are both condemned to relegation playoffs. Saul are on 18 points and need to beat us in their last game to have anychance of getting out of the playoffs.

still cant believe that we are were we are, but the table doesnt lie. we have two massive finals to play and hopefully we will be in Div 3 at the end of these two games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on October 16, 2010, 08:03:06 PM
Good luck to the Tullylish senior footballers tomorrow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 16, 2010, 08:23:14 PM
16/10/2010  Saul  5 - 8 v 0 - 11 Glenn  16:00 Round 18


Glenn have already quit by the looks of things!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 16, 2010, 08:34:00 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 16, 2010, 06:36:28 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 16, 2010, 06:27:26 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 16, 2010, 05:47:30 PM
Drumgath and drundrum drew. Drumgath now in the promotion playoff while dundrum are safe.

Dundrum not just safe yet. 21 points is the magic number for safety and ourselves, Carryduff and Ardglass are all on 20 points.
Bredagh and Bosco are both condemned to relegation playoffs. Saul are on 18 points and need to beat us in their last game to have anychance of getting out of the playoffs.

still cant believe that we are were we are, but the table doesnt lie. we have two massive finals to play and hopefully we will be in Div 3 at the end of these two games

Looking at recent form SB, Yous started off like a house on fire but off last 15 games have only racked up 3 victories. As DF says we aint safe for def either, hopefully we can sort ourselves out for last couple of games anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 16, 2010, 08:42:48 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 16, 2010, 08:34:00 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 16, 2010, 06:36:28 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 16, 2010, 06:27:26 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 16, 2010, 05:47:30 PM
Drumgath and drundrum drew. Drumgath now in the promotion playoff while dundrum are safe.

Dundrum not just safe yet. 21 points is the magic number for safety and ourselves, Carryduff and Ardglass are all on 20 points.
Bredagh and Bosco are both condemned to relegation playoffs. Saul are on 18 points and need to beat us in their last game to have anychance of getting out of the playoffs.

still cant believe that we are were we are, but the table doesnt lie. we have two massive finals to play and hopefully we will be in Div 3 at the end of these two games

Looking at recent form SB, Yous started off like a house on fire but off last 15 games have only racked up 3 victories. As DF says we aint safe for def either, hopefully we can sort ourselves out for last couple of games anyway.

we had 9 points after 5 games and were looking good, then a few bad results when we were leading going into the last few minutes but lost, even against yous at your place, leading in injury time and conceded a late goal this became the norm and we couldn't close games out, we will learn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on October 16, 2010, 09:00:08 PM
Mdg, young Quinn has only sprained his ankle, thank god its not broke. We've had enough injuries recently, another two Down minors from last year have been out most of this year, I'm sure they would have made the championship team!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 16, 2010, 11:16:21 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 14, 2010, 09:36:21 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

These will do for me missed out on yesterday although had Kilcoo in on an earlier post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 17, 2010, 10:44:54 AM
looking forward to 2 good games in newry today.after the year our senior footballers gave us, a classic finals day would round the year of nicely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on October 17, 2010, 11:51:50 AM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

Just to echo previous sentiments, super job umpire, don't know how you do it!

Really unsure about the senior championship final today, have changed my mind numerous times this week and have just changed it again this morning.  Probably doing the wrong thing but i'm ignoring my gut instinct and going with the head.  Think the impact of Conor Maginn will decide the game, if Burren contain his influence they will be nearly there.

Hope its a good game either way.  good luck to all four teams today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on October 17, 2010, 12:09:21 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 11, 2010, 05:21:21 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on October 11, 2010, 04:41:52 PM
SFC
Burren vs Bryansford

IFC
Annaclone vs Tullylish

Same

Same for me as well, thanks umpire
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on October 17, 2010, 12:43:42 PM
B'ford
A'clone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 17, 2010, 01:03:43 PM
Quote from: off the laces on October 16, 2010, 11:16:21 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 14, 2010, 09:36:21 PM
SFC final
Burren v Bryansford

IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

These will do for me missed out on yesterday although had Kilcoo in on an earlier post.
I thought i have noted all earlier posts for MFC final, if you say that you have already chosen. please tell me your reply number regarding your selection for MFC final and if you are correct, i will be happy to give you extra point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on October 17, 2010, 01:53:34 PM
Is any radio station carrying the county final today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: batman on October 17, 2010, 01:59:26 PM
Burren v Bryansford
IFC final
Annaclone v Tullylish

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 17, 2010, 03:33:35 PM

IFC final
Annaclone 4.6 v Tullylish 4.7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 17, 2010, 03:47:07 PM
Great win for Tullylish!! Not too many seen that coming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 17, 2010, 04:49:28 PM
1-7 1-5 to burren half time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 17, 2010, 05:07:16 PM
Ford up by a point with 15 to go. Very even encounter by the sound of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 17, 2010, 05:18:26 PM
Burren by a point 2 of normal time left
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on October 17, 2010, 05:33:48 PM
Final score please, suspence is killing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on October 17, 2010, 05:39:29 PM
Burren won by 1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 17, 2010, 06:25:45 PM
well done to burren and tullylish.two cracking matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: twice is nice on October 17, 2010, 06:26:33 PM
Congratulations to burren on the win today! It was a good sporting game between two very committed teams, we could have had no complaints had we been on the wrong side of the result today, there was that little between the teams! Well done to the bryansford club and supporters for their sportmanship and all the best in the future.. Now we need to build on this over next few years, it would be insult to our tradition to get carried away with winning a county championship, we should be doing this year in, year out and trying to replicate our glory days of gone by in ulster etc.... Also on a passing note I would like to commend the bridge band for their great performance today, they definitely could go on to bring long....... awaited ulster/all ireland success (if they havent already?) to the club all be it in a different trade to what they aspire for!! ;D
Come on BOIREANN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 17, 2010, 07:02:06 PM
Predictions League (6 Finals only)
SFC, IFC, JFC, PRFC, RFC and MFC

1   5   amallon
2   5   ApresMatch
3   5   bredaghgael88
4   5   catch the high ball
5   5   cokers
6   5   DaddyLongLegs
7   5   general
8   5   Mourne Rover
9   5   No1
10   4   Bearly on loose
11   4   BRIDGE LAD
12   4   Cloneman
13   4   DownFanatic
14   4   Dubh driocht
15   4   eyeswideopen
16   4   Green + Gold
17   4   John Martin
18   4   Johnnie99
19   4   knockitdown
20   4   Maiden1
21   4   Maldini
22   4   Marsbarkid
23   4   meatsy86
24   4   Mid Down Gael
25   4   Minus15
26   4   No hoper
27   4   Out In Front
28   4   razor
29   4   sabhalphadrig
30   4   Square Ball
31   4   True Blue
32   3   An Cloch Scoilte
33   3   behind the wire
34   3   centre 3/4s
35   3   CHB1
36   3   conormac
37   3   dodgy umpire
38   3   down6061689194
39   3   dundrumite
40   3   Hedgehunter
41   3   Idontbelieveit
42   3   Lecale2
43   3   Niall Quinn
44   3   RGU08
45   3   TheClutch
46   3   westdowngael
47   3   western exile
48   2   Bacon
49   2   batman
50   2   Brick Tamlin
51   2   DaUmpire
52   2   supersub
53   1   off the laces
54   1   souljaboy
55   1   T O Hare
56   1   umpire
57   0   5 Sams
58   0   angermanagement
59   0   dunroma
60   0   fitzroyalty
61   0   goldenyears
62   0   Leo
63   0   Long Ball
64   0   Messy Gael
65   0   mournerambler
66   0   NedFlanders
67   0   Superstar
68   0   thewobbler
69   0   Trap 2
70   0   When We Win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 17, 2010, 07:05:13 PM
Predictions League

Overall table.

1   34   Bearly on loose
2   33   cokers
3   33   Johnnie99
4   33   Mid Down Gael
5   32   Dubh driocht
6   31   behind the wire
7   31   Green + Gold
8   31   Maldini
9   31   No1
10   31   Square Ball
11   31   True Blue
12   30   An Cloch Scoilte
13   30   ApresMatch
14   30   conormac
15   30   DownFanatic
16   30   eyeswideopen
17   30   general
18   30   John Martin
19   30   knockitdown
20   30   Niall Quinn
21   30   No hoper
22   30   razor
23   30   TheClutch
24   29   BRIDGE LAD
25   29   CHB1
26   29   westdowngael
27   28   bredaghgael88
28   28   Marsbarkid
29   28   Mourne Rover
30   28   Out In Front
31   28   western exile
32   27   Cloneman
33   27   Lecale2
34   27   T O Hare
35   26   Brick Tamlin
36   26   dodgy umpire
37   26   Maiden1
38   26   Minus15
39   26   souljaboy
40   26   umpire
41   25   amallon
42   25   batman
43   25   Idontbelieveit
44   25   supersub
45   24   Hedgehunter
46   24   meatsy86
47   24   sabhalphadrig
48   23   catch the high ball
49   23   RGU08
50   20   Bacon
51   20   off the laces
52   19   DaddyLongLegs
53   19   DaUmpire
54   19   down6061689194
55   19   dundrumite
56   17   5 Sams
57   15   thewobbler
58   15   When We Win
59   14   angermanagement
60   14   mournerambler
61   14   NedFlanders
62   14   Superstar
63   14   Trap 2
64   13   dunroma
65   13   fitzroyalty
66   13   Long Ball
67   12   goldenyears
68   3   centre 3/4s
69   2   Leo
70   1   Messy Gael
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 17, 2010, 07:06:08 PM
Burren 1-14 Bryansford 1-13

In truth either team would have felt hard done by to lose this match! Both played very well and as a team Burren just came out stronger in the end - although Bryansford did hit the post in the last minute! Bryansford goal came after 20 seconds long ball in to King at FF and dont know how much he got on it but it bounced down and up into the net! Burren replied within a few minutes with a briliant effort from James McGovern followed closely by a well worked move for gerard mccartan to blast into the net. It was nip and tuck from them on with burren dominating the midfield for large parts of the first half. Eamon Toner hit two super points, one off either foot. King moved out and evened things up around the middle, and clarke took a much needed score for the ford - but burren were worth their lead at half time. Bryansford came flying in second half, points from young clarke, savage and gribben got them level. King back in at FF was causing all sorts of problems for the Burren defence. Savage hit two brilliant scores and burren were on the back foot, however Sean Murdock having scored a few frees and one from play in the first half knocked over two more frees and a cracking effort off the right boot in the second, with Declan Rooney also scoring a longe range point. Burren were up by a point with a few minutes remaining and BRyansford were hoofing the ball into king in hope of a score which nearly came in injury time when they rattled the post.

King had a great hour both at FF and MF causing trouble throughout, Clarke was in and out of the game but took some good scores and used possesion well. Maginn didnt stamp his mark as much as he would have liked but was still full of energy and running to set up and support his team mates. Best for Burren were Gerard McCartan, Mckernan and James Mcgovern who battled throughtout, but if truth be told you could name their whole team as playing well because the likes of conail mcgovern, alan higgins and eamon toner played their part when needed also. Sean Murdock must have scored about 0-7 and was worth the man of the match award.

Bryansford had King at 14 for long periods with McArdle marking him and Mccartan sweeping, even with this Burren found it difficult to deal with him and you just think if one or two more long balls had been pumped in to King the game could have been dead and burried in the second half when they were a few points up. However credit to Burren who kept going and showed energy and spirirt right until the final whistel and even when they were 2 points down in the last 10/15 mins they were in for the dirty ball around the middle determined to get another attack going.


On another note does anyone know anything about this years u21 competition as I would expect Burren will want to defend their Ulster title, but with a lot of their u21s playing for the seniors will this clash?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 17, 2010, 07:12:08 PM
Just about the right results in both games. The Ford were like all wee Pete teams- composed and confident and took it to Burren directly from the throw-in. There was no stopping KK ( Kalum King that is, not King Kong)- a goal in the first minute and all bar one of the Ford's first half scores came through him. Aidan Shields, Big Joe and Conor Gribben were dominant and it took a Mc Kernan break and excellent goal from Gerard Mc Cartan to settle the favourites. Sean Murdock's free taking ( points from the right with his right foot) was excellent and they deserved the 2 point advantage at half-time.
Ford had a good third quarter- I think Bonny and Howard could be two county corner backs- and Danny Savage hit some savage points to leave the Ford 2 up in the 59th minute. Kevin Mc Kernan snuffed out the danger and Eamon Toner (plus subs Donal O'Hare and Eoin Mc Cartan) were excellent target men to help Burren over the line- high drama at the end- we thought the Ford hit the post but the umpire gave a 45 - I though they should have got Travers to hit it as it was clearly going to be the last kick.
Danny Savage should be proud of himself and I think we'll see more of this Ford team- they are  mostly young and Maginn and Hanna are also class acts. I think Burren could give Ulster a rattle- apparently they were 80 to 1 for the All-Ireland before today- I would have put a few pound on that each way.
In the IFC ,Annaclone were less than the sum of their parts. Benny Mc Ardle and Aidan Fegan had bad days at the office while John Mc Areavy and the evergreen Ronan Barry provided the leadership you need in championship finals.Two good games - well done to the County Board for the organisation apart from 2 things- firstly the PA is a disaster, secondly, I found it hard at half-time of the IFC final to cope with a sevens game, the skills competetion and a raffle. Sometimes less is more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on October 17, 2010, 07:22:05 PM
Great days entertainment, 2 cracking games. message to county board - do away with the band.

plenty of goals in the IFC, fair play to tullylish they played annaclone off the field in the second half. Thought Seamus ohare and gareth johnston were excellent for tullylish and davy corbett had some impact when he came on, 2 goals i think.

senior game was a great game, some good football played. draw would probably been a fair result. bryansford could have stolen it at the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 17, 2010, 08:21:43 PM
Predictions League. Final summary.
Congratulation to 'Bearly on loose' for winning the 2010 Down Championship predictions league.
Thanks to everyone who took part in this competition and also to those who given me some appreciation in running this competition, very much appreciated.
I will put up combination points over last 3 years later in the week.

43 games each year over the past 3 years and 34 points is the highest so far.

2010 top 5 places
34  Bearly on loose
33  cokers
33  Johnnie99
33  Mid Down Gael
32  Dubh driocht

2009 top 5 places
34  Bacon
33  DownFanatic
32  Mid Down Gael
32  off the laces
32  thewobbler
      
2008 top 5 places
31  DownFanatic
30  Niall Quinn
30  off the laces
29  D45
28  amallon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 17, 2010, 08:57:37 PM
2 very exciting games today in newry, Tullylish hit a couple of goals in quick succession and held on in the end! Interestingly the 2 hugely talked about transfers were left on the bench for Annaclone! Ulster will be a new adventure for the lish and they might cause a shock or two!

Burren edged an interesting encounter in the senior show piece, King was highly influential and caused serious panic in the Burren rear guard time and time again! Thought Declan Rooneys passing and distribution was excellant throughout the game. A county title has been long overdue in Burren and probably lookin at the league and championship this season they have been the best.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 17, 2010, 09:04:34 PM
Bryansford were very unlucky not to at least get a draw today, but Burren kept calm at all times and being able to introduce Eoin McCartan made a big difference. He engineered a couple of vital frees and and was able to find a bit of space against a previously effective Ford defence. He has been incredibly unlucky with injuries over the years, so he deserves some success at last.

The intermediate final was a pretty strange game which Tullylish should have won much more comfortably. Annaclone got a soft goal with the last touch of the first half which left them four up, but they were taken apart after the break. The score in the second half, as far as I remember, was Annalone 2-0 and Tullylish 3-2, which indicates a couple of dodgy full back lines.

The two new recurits for Annaclone both came off the bench but made little impact. If they had been unavailable until next season, Annaclone might have had a more settled squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on October 17, 2010, 09:45:38 PM
well done to the County Board for the organisation apart from 2 things- firstly the PA is a disaster, secondly, I found it hard at half-time of the IFC final to cope with a sevens game, the skills competetion and a raffle. Sometimes less is more.

Dubh driocht. totally agree with that. The PA system is absolutely terrible - its like listening Radio 3 on a transistor radio!! Surely in this day and age we can do better than this!

And cramming everything into half time of the intermediate match was ill-thought out (& you forgot (or maybe you missed!) he club ground awards which also took place at the same time - the match had actually restarted before the award "ceremony" was over. Now in my opinion, if we are going to publicly acknowledge a Club or person at such an event, we should make it an event - the presenter should be in the middle of the pitch and one by one the receipents names called out to come and receive the award - make it meaningful!

Regarding presentations generally, why are these done so close to the stand where only a very limited number of people can see what is going on. Again, why cant we have a small platform to pull out onto the pitch where everyone can see whats happenig - even with no platform it would be better than we had today where the presentations were done on the sideline, where the majority could see FA and a useless PA system meant they could hear FA as well!!

And on to price - I just thought £12 and £3 for a programme was ripping the arse out of it a bit today - suddenly everything to do with Down football has become terribly expensive.

But to finish on a positive note - two cracking games played in great spirits, in an excellent venue, good football, good refereeing and a thourghably enjoyable afternoon. Roll on next year!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 17, 2010, 10:14:21 PM
Congratulations to Burren and Tullylish on two fabulous successes today. Two great finals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on October 17, 2010, 11:37:26 PM
It took 4 teams to produce 2 great finals, so congragulations to all 4, and lets not forget all the Refs who were excellent
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on October 18, 2010, 08:58:37 AM
2 absolute belters of games

county board would have lifted some ren from that yesterday

IFC probably the most open gam I have seen in a long time, nearly as many goals as points scored ffs, couldn't have asked for more

Agree the PA left a lot to be desired
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on October 18, 2010, 09:31:04 AM
Great games yesterday.  Think Bryansford were a little too one dimensional in that everything had to go through Kalum King in Full Forward.  It definitely worked but I believe their forwards especially in the first half werent moving much.  Ciaran Brannigan was very quiet.  At times in First half Bryansford were breaking from defence and had nothing to aim for except for the high ball into King.  I think McGrath got the timing of his substitutions slightly wrong as he made them when Bryansford were gaining momentum in the 2nd half.  Young Savage had a good game for the Ford - has to be applauded for stepping up to hit that 50 at the end, felt sorry for him as he missed it but he can hold his head high this morning for a great exhibition of scoring. 

Congratulations to Burren on winning the game, think Dawson just got the better with regard to substitutions etc.  Eoin McCartan caused a few problems when coming on - gave the ford defence something to think about.  Burren free taker was immense especially from the wrong side for a right footer.

Yesterdays final bodes well for the county on the whole as both teams are very young and both will certainly be back for future honours I believe.  Kalum King has had a great year and I really feel he will improve next year in county colours as this was his first real involvement at senior inter county level.  Luke Howard is another who was injured at the start of this year but will be in and around the starting 15 next year also.
Refereeing was good yesterday also - couldnt really recall any unfair decisions or bias.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 18, 2010, 10:54:09 AM
well done to the mighty Burren yesterday! But can someone answer this, how many of the Burren team never played underage football for them. I know that Daniel, Eoin and Geard McCarten played for Tullylish and Rostrevor. I heard that Alan Higgins and Declan Rooney played for the Point at underage along with a sub Karl Maxwell.

They are definitely not the best county champions we have had in a while but they have plenty of heart and got the breaks throughout the championship. At least Down will be feared in Ulster again!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointlad on October 18, 2010, 11:21:08 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 18, 2010, 10:54:09 AM
well done to the mighty Burren yesterday! But can someone answer this, how many of the Burren team never played underage football for them. I know that Daniel, Eoin and Geard McCarten played for Tullylish and Rostrevor. I heard that Alan Higgins and Declan Rooney played for the Point at underage along with a sub Karl Maxwell.

They are definitely not the best county champions we have had in a while but they have plenty of heart and got the breaks throughout the championship. At least Down will be feared in Ulster again!

Have to agree with you there also. Decky Rooney lives in the point and has done all his life also Ally Higgins and Karl Maxwell are both 'Point Senior hurlers. This is practically stealing players from one club because its generally "better" a club can only get better if its players like that play for them. The hurling is good enough for 2 fellas, Why cant the football be?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 18, 2010, 12:34:00 PM
Well done to everyone involved yesterday great days entertainment and fantastic sporting spactacle.
One sour note from the senior game though was the referee who i honestly thought had a complete nightmare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on October 18, 2010, 12:36:16 PM
Decky Rooney was born in Burren and lived in Burren Hill for his formative years attending Carrick Primary school and playing ALL underage in Burren.  Alan Higgins and Karl Maxwell have played all their football in burren from underage right to senior.  Higgins lives in Burren hill at present and Maxwell lives across from vivo. the fact they play hurling for the point does not mean they should play footy for them - they only play hurling there as Burren dont have a team.
But today these three along with the three Mc cartans are all county champions........ Fair play to them...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on October 18, 2010, 01:19:37 PM
alba 2 you seem to know a right bit about it for a Killeavy man  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on October 18, 2010, 01:21:10 PM
Was gunna say that myself.. :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 18, 2010, 01:32:02 PM
A mainly nationalist town the size of Warrenpoint shouldn't have any problem getting 15 division one standard players without complaining about their neighbours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 18, 2010, 01:48:40 PM
This weeks fixtures

Wed Oct 20th(7 30)
O Neills ACFL Div 2
Ballyholland v Kilclief(L Smith)
Sun Oct 24th (2 00)
O Neills ACFL Div 1
Burren v Clonduff(G Corrigan)
O Neills ACFL Div 2
Ballymartin v Saval(N Morgan)
Tullylish v Loughinisland(M Devlin)
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland(S O Hanlon)
Shamrocks v Annaclone(D Brogan)
O Neills ACFL Div 3
Dundrum v Saul(G Brannigan)
Ardglass v Glenn(C Brannigan)
Drumgath v Drumaness(E Mc Carthy)
St Johns v Darragh Cross(D Cotter)
St John Bosco v Bredagh(D Kearns)
Glasdrumman v Carryduff(P Brannigan)
Joe Mc Crickard Cup
Portaferry(3 00)
Ballycran v Ballygalget(D Carr)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on October 18, 2010, 03:11:44 PM
Any word yet on if there is an under 20/21 competition this year or when it starts. And is the 2nds league finished
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 18, 2010, 04:03:57 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on October 18, 2010, 09:31:04 AM
Great games yesterday.  Think Bryansford were a little too one dimensional in that everything had to go through Kalum King in Full Forward.  It definitely worked but I believe their forwards especially in the first half werent moving much.  Ciaran Brannigan was very quiet.  At times in First half Bryansford were breaking from defence and had nothing to aim for except for the high ball into King.  I think McGrath got the timing of his substitutions slightly wrong as he made them when Bryansford were gaining momentum in the 2nd half.  Young Savage had a good game for the Ford - has to be applauded for stepping up to hit that 50 at the end, felt sorry for him as he missed it but he can hold his head high this morning for a great exhibition of scoring. 

Congratulations to Burren on winning the game, think Dawson just got the better with regard to substitutions etc.  Eoin McCartan caused a few problems when coming on - gave the ford defence something to think about.  Burren free taker was immense especially from the wrong side for a right footer.

Yesterdays final bodes well for the county on the whole as both teams are very young and both will certainly be back for future honours I believe.  Kalum King has had a great year and I really feel he will improve next year in county colours as this was his first real involvement at senior inter county level.  Luke Howard is another who was injured at the start of this year but will be in and around the starting 15 next year also.
Refereeing was good yesterday also - couldnt really recall any unfair decisions or bias.

Agree he took some great scores but thought he waste possession a lot around the middle of the field!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 18, 2010, 04:17:51 PM
Quote from: No hoper on October 18, 2010, 03:11:44 PM
Any word yet on if there is an under 20/21 competition this year or when it starts. And is the 2nds league finished

its u21s again but no date for the first matches
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Trap 2 on October 18, 2010, 06:28:27 PM
just a wee note seems a wee bit strange to award ballyholland with one of the best kept grounds award but not giving them a sniff of a senior cship match!!! wats all that about!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 18, 2010, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 18, 2010, 04:17:51 PM
Quote from: No hoper on October 18, 2010, 03:11:44 PM
Any word yet on if there is an under 20/21 competition this year or when it starts. And is the 2nds league finished

its u21s again but no date for the first matches

There was a thing in the programme yesterday about th competition, says it is all county this year! No dates though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 18, 2010, 07:53:00 PM
Quote from: Trap 2 on October 18, 2010, 06:28:27 PM
just a wee note seems a wee bit strange to award ballyholland with one of the best kept grounds award but not giving them a sniff of a senior cship match!!! wats all that about!!!!

Probably because its the windiest place in the county!!


Good pitch, pity that matches there are often dominated by the wind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdowngeal on October 19, 2010, 07:50:05 AM
Just before i head to work lads. heard on good authority that stevie poucher was offered the bridge job last night.. any truth?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 19, 2010, 10:58:56 AM
Quote from: southdowngeal on October 19, 2010, 07:50:05 AM
Just before i head to work lads. heard on good authority that stevie poucher was offered the bridge job last night.. any truth?

Thats true, with Shorty Treaner as his assistant!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on October 19, 2010, 01:18:15 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 19, 2010, 10:58:56 AM
Quote from: southdowngeal on October 19, 2010, 07:50:05 AM
Just before i head to work lads. heard on good authority that stevie poucher was offered the bridge job last night.. any truth?

Thats true, with Shorty Treaner as his assistant!!

No doubt you'd tear up the seaon ticket T O'Hare!!  :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on October 19, 2010, 06:46:48 PM
The word is that Frank Dawson has approached the Bridge with a view to taking over next year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: twice is nice on October 19, 2010, 07:14:54 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on October 19, 2010, 06:46:48 PM
The word is that Frank Dawson has approached the Bridge with a view to taking over next year!
Silverbridge would be more prospective club to go to, is that the bridge you on about? Unless he too, was captivated by your excellent band on sunday and wants a trip to the feile with them !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on October 19, 2010, 08:31:51 PM
twice is nice, learn to control your tongue, ye dont have to bite on every post, grow up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southall on October 19, 2010, 09:05:43 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on October 19, 2010, 06:46:48 PM
The word is that Frank Dawson has approached the Bridge with a view to taking over next year!
Patrick Mackin has shown a keen interest in the Bridge Job!  Think he would do a good job!  any thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 19, 2010, 09:19:25 PM
Some of you boy's (and i stress BOYS) would seriously need to consider heading over to the hoganstand for a wee bit of.... I heard last night, I heard a rumour, my mates mate told me,  is it true???

Its quite embarrassing some of it and to be honest (bar the bridge posters) who else really really cares who gets the bridge job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 20, 2010, 12:18:10 AM
Quote from: twice is nice on October 19, 2010, 07:14:54 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on October 19, 2010, 06:46:48 PM
The word is that Frank Dawson has approached the Bridge with a view to taking over next year!
Silverbridge would be more prospective club to go to, is that the bridge you on about? Unless he too, was captivated by your excellent band on sunday and wants a trip to the feile with them !!

The feile or the Fleadh ;) :D :D :D Up Clonallen :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 20, 2010, 11:18:56 PM
Harps gave Kilclief a hiding tonight...3-18 to 1-07...big performances from James Patterson and Gunner Quinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on October 21, 2010, 01:48:10 AM
First time on the board this week. Congrats to both county champions and thanks to umpire for his sterling work with the prediction league!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 21, 2010, 05:29:30 PM
Lads just a quick question. I was flicking through pictures from the county final and thought i say building work going on at Pairc Esler?
Is this the case?
I wasnt aware of any new work being done on the ground.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 21, 2010, 07:34:26 PM
The stand is being extended up towards the changing room end and the changing rooms are being redeveloped also. Good job !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 21, 2010, 08:27:48 PM
New Down Minor management being appointed tonight at county board meeting.

Just on the county finals. It was odd to see that the two winning team captains weren't originally from their winning clubs. McCartan was a Rostrevor man and McAreavey was an Aghaderg man.

Aghaderg had three former players playing in the IFC Final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Research on October 21, 2010, 08:34:54 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 21, 2010, 08:27:48 PM
New Down Minor management being appointed tonight at county board meeting.

Just on the county finals. It was odd to see that the two winning team captains weren't originally from their winning clubs. McCartan was a Rostrevor man and McAreavey was an Aghaderg man.

Aghaderg had three former players playing in the IFC Final.

Would Aghaderg be affected by this research project being undertaken which is being discussed on the GAA discussion section?

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=17705.0  (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=17705.0)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the derg on October 21, 2010, 09:45:24 PM
all 3 players had county experience if those 3 along with marty burns and the legend dan strain and brendan (drumgath) chris mcgovern (tullylish) colm and martin farrell (annaclone) had stayed we would be in div 2 however for various reasons all decided to go. i know we can argue that the derg had no ambition or is a dual club etc but surley aghaderg was good enough for all up until 18 plus then up and away such a pity. :( :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 21, 2010, 09:50:41 PM
Oh ah Pete McGrath!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 21, 2010, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 17, 2010, 08:21:43 PM
Predictions League. Final summary.
Congratulation to 'Bearly on loose' for winning the 2010 Down Championship predictions league.
Thanks to everyone who took part in this competition and also to those who given me some appreciation in running this competition, very much appreciated.
I will put up combination points over last 3 years later in the week.

43 games each year over the past 3 years and 34 points is the highest so far.

2010 top 5 places
34  Bearly on loose
33  cokers
33  Johnnie99
33  Mid Down Gael
32  Dubh driocht

2009 top 5 places
34  Bacon
33  DownFanatic
32  Mid Down Gael
32  off the laces
32  thewobbler
      
2008 top 5 places
31  DownFanatic
30  Niall Quinn
30  off the laces
29  D45
28  amallon

You can see what working away from home does for ya. Missing some cracking games i hear.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: off the laces on October 21, 2010, 10:04:34 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 17, 2010, 07:05:13 PM
Predictions League

Overall table.

1   34   Bearly on loose
2   33   cokers
3   33   Johnnie99
4   33   Mid Down Gael
5   32   Dubh driocht
6   31   behind the wire
7   31   Green + Gold
8   31   Maldini
9   31   No1
10   31   Square Ball
11   31   True Blue
12   30   An Cloch Scoilte
13   30   ApresMatch
14   30   conormac
15   30   DownFanatic
16   30   eyeswideopen
17   30   general
18   30   John Martin
19   30   knockitdown
20   30   Niall Quinn
21   30   No hoper
22   30   razor
23   30   TheClutch
24   29   BRIDGE LAD
25   29   CHB1
26   29   westdowngael
27   28   bredaghgael88
28   28   Marsbarkid
29   28   Mourne Rover
30   28   Out In Front
31   28   western exile
32   27   Cloneman
33   27   Lecale2
34   27   T O Hare
35   26   Brick Tamlin
36   26   dodgy umpire
37   26   Maiden1
38   26   Minus15
39   26   souljaboy
40   26   umpire
41   25   amallon
42   25   batman
43   25   Idontbelieveit
44   25   supersub
45   24   Hedgehunter
46   24   meatsy86
47   24   sabhalphadrig
48   23   catch the high ball
49   23   RGU08
50   20   Bacon
51   20   off the laces
52   19   DaddyLongLegs
53   19   DaUmpire
54   19   down6061689194
55   19   dundrumite
56   17   5 Sams
57   15   thewobbler
58   15   When We Win
59   14   angermanagement
60   14   mournerambler
61   14   NedFlanders
62   14   Superstar
63   14   Trap 2
64   13   dunroma
65   13   fitzroyalty
66   13   Long Ball
67   12   goldenyears
68   3   centre 3/4s
69   2   Leo
70   1   Messy Gael
Well done umpire on the league, i hope i will be back near the top again next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 21, 2010, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 21, 2010, 09:50:41 PM
Oh ah Pete McGrath!!!

Massive appointment here. He is also responsible for selecting development squad managers within the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 21, 2010, 10:17:59 PM
ACML Simi Final

Kilcoo 4-10 Burren 2-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 21, 2010, 10:45:14 PM
What is this news about Pete Mc Grath?? Will that be a paid role??

Overseeing development squads...... Surely not Mid Down Gael???  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 21, 2010, 10:54:58 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 21, 2010, 10:45:14 PM
What is this news about Pete Mc Grath?? Will that be a paid role??

Overseeing development squads...... Surely not Mid Down Gael???  ???

New Down Minor manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 22, 2010, 06:32:43 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 21, 2010, 10:45:14 PM
What is this news about Pete Mc Grath?? Will that be a paid role??

Overseeing development squads...... Surely not Mid Down Gael???  ???

Yeah its true, Down minor manager and director of our underage structures. Have not heard anything with regards being paid.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on October 22, 2010, 10:02:16 AM
Course hes not gettin paid, no managers in the GAA get paid lads. ssssshhhh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on October 22, 2010, 10:18:21 AM
I thought he was miffed with the county and didn't want anything more to do with it  ???

I hope they went through the correct process though and the best man got the job, if he wasn't good enough for the senior post just under a year ago what has changed that he is the 'best of the rest'

strange IMO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 22, 2010, 12:06:11 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 21, 2010, 10:17:59 PM
ACML Simi Final

Kilcoo 4-10 Burren 2-14

Hom many teams entered this? who is in the other semi?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 22, 2010, 01:27:23 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 22, 2010, 12:06:11 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 21, 2010, 10:17:59 PM
ACML Simi Final

Kilcoo 4-10 Burren 2-14

Hom many teams entered this? who is in the other semi?

Clonduff beat Shamrocks in the other simi final. Not sure how many entered it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 22, 2010, 06:12:13 PM
Predictions League
This is combine total of last 3 years.

1   94   DownFanatic
2   88   Niall Quinn
3   83   Square Ball
4   82   off the laces
5   80   general
6   79   umpire
7   77   amallon
8   77   Minus15
9   72   dundrumite
10   72   No1
11   69   BRIDGE LAD
12   65   Mid Down Gael
13   65   thewobbler
14   64   behind the wire
15   64   Brick Tamlin
16   64   Johnnie99
17   63   eyeswideopen
18   61   Dubh driocht
19   61   Green + Gold
20   61   True Blue
21   59   TheClutch
22   58   An Cloch Scoilte
23   58   D45
24   58   Marsbarkid
25   58   western exile
26   57   souljaboy
27   56   Mourne Rover
28   56   T O Hare
29   55   bredaghgael88
30   54   Bacon
31   54   Cloneman
32   53   meatsy86
33   51   supersub
34   50   dodgy umpire
35   48   Islandboy
36   43   down6061689194
37   41   mournerambler
38   39   Idontbelieveit
39   39   Statto-Gael
40   38   dunroma
41   36   bridgegael
42   36   Maiden1
43   34   Bearly on loose
44   33   cokers
45   33   fitzroyalty
46   31   Maldini
47   30   ApresMatch
48   30   conormac
49   30   John Martin
50   30   knockitdown
51   30   No hoper
52   30   razor
53   29   CHB1
54   29   goalswingames
55   29   westdowngael
56   28   Bitta-Banter
57   28   centre 3/4s
58   28   Out In Front
59   28   passedit
60   27   Lecale2
61   27   Trevor Hill
62   25   batman
63   25   lfdown2
64   25   The Worker
65   24   goldenyears
66   24   Hedgehunter
67   24   sabhalphadrig
68   23   catch the high ball
69   23   Fender
70   23   RGU08
71   21   Blue Island
72   19   DaddyLongLegs
73   19   DaUmpire
74   17   5 Sams
75   17   Leo
76   15   When We Win
77   14   angermanagement
78   14   fred the ref
79   14   Irelands32
80   14   NedFlanders
81   14   southdown
82   14   Superstar
83   14   too long ref
84   14   Trap 2
85   13   Long Ball
86   13   waitingforsam
87   13   wobbller
88   12   Aristotle Flynn
89   12   miss mess
90   11   stiff breeze
91   9   tirnaog
92   8   Dulaney
93   8   Iroberts680
94   4   SQUAREBALL
95   3   In the Onion Bag
96   3   spiritof91and94
97   1   Messy Gael
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on October 22, 2010, 08:17:25 PM
great news that wee Pete is back managing a Down team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 22, 2010, 08:52:43 PM
Any word of Longstone and Liatroim tonight...?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 22, 2010, 09:30:09 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 22, 2010, 08:52:43 PM
Any word of Longstone and Liatroim tonight...?

Didnt think it was being played tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 22, 2010, 09:38:06 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 22, 2010, 09:30:09 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 22, 2010, 08:52:43 PM
Any word of Longstone and Liatroim tonight...?

Didnt think it was being played tonight.

Mebbe not...looks like I'm getting duff gen ??? I heard it was on in Newry..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on October 22, 2010, 11:03:29 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 22, 2010, 09:38:06 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 22, 2010, 09:30:09 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 22, 2010, 08:52:43 PM
Any word of Longstone and Liatroim tonight...?

Didnt think it was being played tonight.

Mebbe not...looks like I'm getting duff gen ??? I heard it was on in Newry..

Shamrocks were busy hammering us tonight in Newry.  1-14 to 2-4 I think was the final score. Awful night for football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on October 23, 2010, 03:16:23 AM
Great to see Pete get the minor/underage job, i still think he can unearth some more great talent for Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on October 23, 2010, 11:16:33 AM
Pete had the minor job in 80s and not sure he was as good with those lads as he subsequently was with the seniors. What would ex colmans lads think ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on October 23, 2010, 11:38:47 AM
youll find out soon enough as most of them will probably get on the team along with the rest of rostrevor who havent!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 23, 2010, 11:42:11 AM
Is this wan for real?

How many college/rostrevor lads were on his u21 panels who shouldn't have been?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 23, 2010, 01:58:47 PM
can anyone confirm what way the relegation play offs will be in Div 3? My understanding is, buttom automatically down, the next three play off in a round robin basis with the winner staying up and the other two down, is this correct?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 23, 2010, 06:01:47 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 22, 2010, 06:12:13 PM
Predictions League
This is combine total of last 3 years.

1   94   DownFanatic
2   88   Niall Quinn
3   83   Square Ball
4   82   off the laces
5   80   general
6   79   umpire
7   77   amallon
8   77   Minus15
9   72   dundrumite
10   72   No1
11   69   BRIDGE LAD
12   65   Mid Down Gael
13   65   thewobbler
14   64   behind the wire
15   64   Brick Tamlin
16   64   Johnnie99
17   63   eyeswideopen
18   61   Dubh driocht
19   61   Green + Gold
20   61   True Blue
21   59   TheClutch
22   58   An Cloch Scoilte
23   58   D45
24   58   Marsbarkid
25   58   western exile
26   57   souljaboy
27   56   Mourne Rover
28   56   T O Hare
29   55   bredaghgael88
30   54   Bacon
31   54   Cloneman
32   53   meatsy86
33   51   supersub
34   50   dodgy umpire
35   48   Islandboy
36   43   down6061689194
37   41   mournerambler
38   39   Idontbelieveit
39   39   Statto-Gael
40   38   dunroma
41   36   bridgegael
42   36   Maiden1
43   34   Bearly on loose
44   33   cokers
45   33   fitzroyalty
46   31   Maldini
47   30   ApresMatch
48   30   conormac
49   30   John Martin
50   30   knockitdown
51   30   No hoper
52   30   razor
53   29   CHB1
54   29   goalswingames
55   29   westdowngael
56   28   Bitta-Banter
57   28   centre 3/4s
58   28   Out In Front
59   28   passedit
60   27   Lecale2
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 23, 2010, 06:09:28 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 23, 2010, 01:58:47 PM
can anyone confirm what way the relegation play offs will be in Div 3? My understanding is, buttom automatically down, the next three play off in a round robin basis with the winner staying up and the other two down, is this correct?

I don't think so Square Ball. I think for Div 2 and 3 it is bottom team down and rather than round robin there is a draw betweem the 3 teams left.
The 2 teams drawn out play eachother with the loser being relegated. The winner plays the third team with the loser of this game also being relegated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 23, 2010, 06:51:33 PM
It's hard to believe that there are still posters on this board questioning Pete McGrath's management credentials. We get comparatively few provincial titles in Down - over the last 25 years, across the senior, u21 and minor grades, we have managed just eight out of the 75 available. Of those eight, six were achieved with McGrath at the helm - two each with the minors, the u21s and the seniors.

It should not be necessary to point out his three All Irelands (two senior and one minor), while only an injury time goal prevented him getting a fourth with last year's u21s, as well as his achievements with St Colman's.

There's no doubt that St Colman's players have a better chance than most of a run with the county minor side, but that was the way it was long before and after McGrath's period in charrge. His appointment is fantastic news, and should benefit Down football for years to come.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on October 23, 2010, 10:14:19 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 23, 2010, 06:51:33 PM
It's hard to believe that there are still posters on this board questioning Pete McGrath's management credentials.


Why is that ? As a senior county manager his 1991-1996 record is excellent.The remaining years not so. Down has some great minor sides in the 80s ...I am not sure if he inspired them. Most colmans lads I have spoke too always rated Ray Morgan higher. It sounds like a political appointment to me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on October 23, 2010, 11:29:22 PM
It is a crazy appointment berift of vision and foresight. He caused trouble when he didn't get the senior job , he boycotted functions etc.. And as a major stroke with no thought on the future of football standards etc in our county a amateur dictator sealed this appointment as a good bit of housekeeping , peace making call it what you will but really an absolute disaster. All the misty eyed romantics will say this say that about him but really 20 years managing our teams really is enough but maybe some think he should manage Down for ever ,he is such a good proud down man well it is only about himself fact, good luck to them .It is the silliest appointment ever but ..... maybe we are the silliest county ever run by ........... I just don't get it .........Have our leaders any sense?


                                               the gael takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on October 24, 2010, 12:44:56 AM
No prisoners, but a good supply of mind altering narcotics.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 24, 2010, 03:47:10 PM
ACFL Division one Result

Burren 1-12 Clonduff 0-12

Burren finish top and are straight into league final. Clonduff v Mayobridge in simi.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on October 24, 2010, 03:52:08 PM
Div 3 result

Ardglass 3.18 Glenn 3.10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Overthebar! on October 24, 2010, 04:19:32 PM
What sort of team did burren line out with today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on October 24, 2010, 04:37:26 PM
When will that league semi be, between the bridge and hilltown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 24, 2010, 05:54:56 PM
ACFL Division 3
Dundrum 2-09  Saul 0-11

That's us safe now and if we win our last game against Carryduff we will finish clear 4th. Saul are into the relegation playoffs.


Division 3

24/10/2010  Ardglass  3 - 18 v 3 - 8 Glenn  14:00 Round 22
24/10/2010  Drumgath  2 - 10 v 0 - 15 Drumaness  14:00 Round 22
24/10/2010  Glasdrumman  0 - 12 v 1 - 9 Carryduff  14:00 Round 22
24/10/2010  St John Bosco  2 - 9 v 0 - 11 Bredagh  14:00 Round 22
24/10/2010  St Johns  1 - 6 v 0 - 17 Darragh Cross  14:00 Round 22


Division 2

24/10/2010  Ballymartin  0 - 8 v 2 - 14 Saval  14:00 Round 18
24/10/2010  Tullylish  0 - 12 v 2 - 12 Loughinisland  14:00 Round 22
24/10/2010  Warrenpoint  0 - 3 v 2 - 19 Ballyholland  14:00 Round 18


Division 1

24/10/2010  Burren  1 - 12 v 0 - 12 Clonduff  14:00
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: robbiegael on October 24, 2010, 06:12:35 PM
All County U16 League final Ballykinlar

Carryduff 2-19 Burren 2-06
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 24, 2010, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 24, 2010, 05:54:56 PM
ACFL Division 3
Dundrum 2-09  Saul 0-11

That's us safe now and if we win our last game against Carryduff we will finish clear 4th. Saul are into the relegation playoffs.


Division 3

24/10/2010  Ardglass  3 - 18 v 3 - 8 Glenn  14:00 Round 22
24/10/2010  Drumgath  2 - 10 v 0 - 15 Drumaness  14:00 Round 22
24/10/2010  Glasdrumman  0 - 12 v 1 - 9 Carryduff  14:00 Round 22
24/10/2010  St John Bosco  2 - 9 v 0 - 11 Bredagh  14:00 Round 22
24/10/2010  St Johns  1 - 6 v 0 - 17 Darragh Cross  14:00 Round 22


Division 2

24/10/2010  Ballymartin  0 - 8 v 2 - 14 Saval  14:00 Round 18
24/10/2010  Tullylish  0 - 12 v 2 - 12 Loughinisland  14:00 Round 22
24/10/2010  Warrenpoint  0 - 3 v 2 - 19 Ballyholland  14:00 Round 18


Division 1

24/10/2010  Burren  1 - 12 v 0 - 12 Clonduff  14:00

can promotion playoff semi final in division 3 go ahead next weekend or is there still league games to be played??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 24, 2010, 08:57:07 PM
there are 3 games left that will have no affect on top or bottom, so we will have to wait and see what the fixtures come out, and they are usually out tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 24, 2010, 11:26:16 PM
Harps battered the point...Rony Murtagh, Anton Haughey and Rory Keenan stars of the show.....back in the 1st division. 8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on October 25, 2010, 01:19:20 AM
Sat Oct 30th

O Neills ACFL Div 1
Relegation Play off
Pairc Esler(2 30)
Longstone v Liatroim(D Moore)

O Neills ACFL Div 2(4 00)
Loughinisland v Annaclone(G Brannigan))

O Neills ACPRL Div 1
Clonduff v Mayobridge(E Mc Carthy)

Sun Oct 31st

O Neills ACFL Div 2 Semi Final
Newcastle(3 00)
Downpatrick v Saval(P Brannigan)

O Neills ACFL Div 2
Relegation Play off
Kilcoo(12 00)
Shamrocks v Kilclief(N Cousins)

O Neills ACFL Div 3 Semi Final
Kilcoo(2 00)
Drumgath v Darragh Cross(M Rawlinson)

O Neills ACFL Div 3
Relegation Play off
St Johns(3 00)
Saul v Bredagh(D Laverty)


EDRL  Section A & B Play off Sunday 31st October Time 1.30pm
Venue Saul
Kilcoo    v Bredagh      (M Brady)
Linesmen: J McMullan,  A Sharvin

EDRL  Section A & B Play off Sunday 31st October Time 3.00pm
Venue Saul
Bryansford   v Ardglass   (G Tumelty)
Linesmen : P McCartan, O Burke

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: twotwocharlie on October 26, 2010, 06:27:34 PM
check out www.winonehundredthousand.ie    great value for £20

potential income for clubs etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 27, 2010, 06:57:17 PM
Anybody know when kilcoo's ulster minor campaign starts? Bryansford U16s got off to a great start in the u16 ulster tournament, hopefully burren can get a good run in ulster as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 27, 2010, 11:00:39 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on October 27, 2010, 06:57:17 PM
Anybody know when kilcoo's ulster minor campaign starts? Bryansford U16s got off to a great start in the u16 ulster tournament, hopefully burren can get a good run in ulster as well

Quarter Finals:

5/12/10 Clontibret O'Neills(Monaghan) v Kilcoo Owen Roes(Down)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 27, 2010, 11:32:35 PM
Whats the feeling among posters on Play offs?
Think Darragh will go up from three.
Over the course off the two games against us, I would have to say Bosco were the best team out of the teams in the bottom three. Though having witnessed them in the Junior final, that opinion wouldn't be so convincing. Really tight one to call but there will be a few decent teams in the bottom division next year, as opposed to as the norm with one team dominating.
Any other posters have opinions on these or other divisional play offs? As without first hand knowledge of others divisons, can't really comment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 27, 2010, 11:56:25 PM
Saval have better individuals than Downpatrick. But Hoops are very well organised, are physically strong and tackle very well. I'd think saval will win by the minimum in a low scoring encounter with a dozen yellow cards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 28, 2010, 12:12:43 AM
This new league system has really shook up a lot of teams. Castlewellan will be playing second grade football for the first time in my memory while one of the other household names (Liatroim/Longstone) in Division 1 will be plying their trade down there next year as well.

Atticall's 12/13 year stint in the top two Divisions is now over while the likelihood that Kilclief will be making the drop is also a possibility. Yet again, another team who must have been playing in the second division for at least the past 12 years. It also must be unthinkable for some in the Shamrocks setup that they could be playing in the third tier next year.

Two big city teams with potent underage structures in the form of Bredagh and Bosco are also in grave danger of dropping to Division 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on October 29, 2010, 01:03:15 PM
Now that the dust has settled on the Down championship I'd just like till congratulate Umpire on successfully organising the prediction league especially considering it was within such a short period of time....just wish I'd placed a bet on any of my 34 correct answers!!

On the play-off issue, I'm looking forward to the meeting of Liatroim and Longstone this Saturday.  Both teams are formidable on their day with the stone in particular able to play fast flowing and high scoring football.  The vast surface of Saval should suit them, however Ambrose will be a major loss and they will need the Poland's, Doran's and Ryan Kelly to produce big games.  Liatroim have been in this position many times over the last few years and have survived on every occasion.  The wet ball will suit them and in Aidan O'Prey have one of the best target men/score getters in down football. Miceal McCartan has been very impressive for them and they are generally tight at the back.  It really is a very tough one to call and they have played each other on many occasions over the last three years with neither team assuming any real superiority. I wouldn't be surprised if extra time was required, although lets hope that unlike in Clonduff park last year after Liatroim and Saval that the ref does play it this year!

In division 2 Downpatrick and Saval should also be tight.  They always seem to produce low scoring encounters with little to separate them. Both teams are physically very big though Downpatrick could have the slight edge.  The midfield battle will be key as both teams have forwards capable of scoring heavily with a plentiful supply of ball.  like the wobbler I feel this could be a game littered with fouls and would not be surprised if either team finished the game with less than the full compliment of players. 

Shamrocks and Kilcleif have found themselves at the wrong end of the league table for the last couple of years.  Both teams have quality players but I just think Kilclief have the ability to win this game as they may deal with the pressure better.  Although having said that Shamrocks put in a great run to stay up in this division last year against the odds.  Also I think it would be a shame if no team from the city of Newry were in either of the top two divisions of down club football.

Darragh cross should beat Drumgath in division three as I think they have the better all round team.  However Drumgath have some great individual talents and on their day can beat anyone in this division!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on October 29, 2010, 01:56:02 PM
Quote from: Bearly on loose on October 29, 2010, 01:03:15 PM
Now that the dust has settled on the Down championship I'd just like till congratulate Umpire on successfully organising the prediction league especially considering it was within such a short period of time....just wish I'd placed a bet on any of my 34 correct answers!!

On the play-off issue, I'm looking forward to the meeting of Liatroim and Longstone this Saturday.  Both teams are formidable on their day with the stone in particular able to play fast flowing and high scoring football.  The vast surface of Saval should suit them, however Ambrose will be a major loss and they will need the Poland's, Doran's and Ryan Kelly to produce big games.  Liatroim have been in this position many times over the last few years and have survived on every occasion.  The wet ball will suit them and in Aidan O'Prey have one of the best target men/score getters in down football. Miceal McCartan has been very impressive for them and they are generally tight at the back.  It really is a very tough one to call and they have played each other on many occasions over the last three years with neither team assuming any real superiority. I wouldn't be surprised if extra time was required, although lets hope that unlike in Clonduff park last year after Liatroim and Saval that the ref does play it this year!

In division 2 Downpatrick and Saval should also be tight.  They always seem to produce low scoring encounters with little to separate them. Both teams are physically very big though Downpatrick could have the slight edge.  The midfield battle will be key as both teams have forwards capable of scoring heavily with a plentiful supply of ball.  like the wobbler I feel this could be a game littered with fouls and would not be surprised if either team finished the game with less than the full compliment of players. 

Shamrocks and Kilcleif have found themselves at the wrong end of the league table for the last couple of years.  Both teams have quality players but I just think Kilclief have the ability to win this game as they may deal with the pressure better.  Although having said that Shamrocks put in a great run to stay up in this division last year against the odds.  Also I think it would be a shame if no team from the city of Newry were in either of the top two divisions of down club football.

Darragh cross should beat Drumgath in division three as I think they have the better all round team.  However Drumgath have some great individual talents and on their day can beat anyone in this division!
Well said bearly,i tend to agree with your views on the above mentioned fixtures, has the recipe for a great game of weekend football not to mention the titanic tussle in cross!! I feel though that for Downpatrick to win they will need to stop not only Daniel Hughes but also Saval's goal machine Fergal McConville who scored a Hat-trick(should've been four but for some dodgy umpiring) last friday night against Ballymartin! The man is simply on fire!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 29, 2010, 07:20:29 PM
Ballyholland are a Newry team and will be in Division 1! So less of this no Newry City team in the top 2!

Have to say Shane Mulholland has done a fantastic job with the team this year to be the standout team in Div 2.

They narrowly but deservedly lost a Div 2 final last year to the Kingdom who had 2 All Stars in their team (as we know now!) but to lift the team and achieve more this year is a tremendous achievement. Shane could be a future Down manager???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on October 29, 2010, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 29, 2010, 07:20:29 PM
Ballyholland are a Newry team and will be in Division 1! So less of this no Newry City team in the top 2!

Have to say Shane Mulholland has done a fantastic job with the team this year to be the standout team in Div 2.

They narrowly but deservedly lost a Div 2 final last year to the Kingdom who had 2 All Stars in their team (as we know now!) but to lift the team and achieve more this year is a tremendous achievement. Shane could be a future Down manager???

Sorry for any offence caused but I have never regarded Ballyholland as a Newry team.  Not sure if Ballyholland people regard themselves as a Newry team either, but would be interested in finding out.

Must agree with your second statement however, Shane has done a fantastic job and they fully merit promotion! 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 29, 2010, 10:07:01 PM
Quote from: Bearly on loose on October 29, 2010, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 29, 2010, 07:20:29 PM
Ballyholland are a Newry team and will be in Division 1! So less of this no Newry City team in the top 2!

Have to say Shane Mulholland has done a fantastic job with the team this year to be the standout team in Div 2.

They narrowly but deservedly lost a Div 2 final last year to the Kingdom who had 2 All Stars in their team (as we know now!) but to lift the team and achieve more this year is a tremendous achievement. Shane could be a future Down manager???

Sorry for any offence caused but I have never regarded Ballyholland as a Newry team.  Not sure if Ballyholland people regard themselves as a Newry team either, but would be interested in finding out.

Must agree with your second statement however, Shane has done a fantastic job and they fully merit promotion!

As a fellow club man I would like to put on record that what Shane has achieved this year has been simply outstanding...he was the General but he had two very capable Lieutenants in Puddy Rushe and Kieran Hartigan. I have seen at first hand the effort these lads have put in all year (as have all the players and various other club personnel like the Wobbler and Boo Murtagh). Our club are very lucky to have this level of expertise available to us....and all three are dyed in the wool Harps. As for a "Newry" team...technically we are but we consider ourselves a country team....as for a future Down Manager??? If he keeps producing the goods like this we'll get it tough to hold on to him....but....he's still a Harp.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 30, 2010, 12:02:36 AM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 29, 2010, 07:20:29 PM
Ballyholland are a Newry team and will be in Division 1! So less of this no Newry City team in the top 2!

Have to say Shane Mulholland has done a fantastic job with the team this year to be the standout team in Div 2.

They narrowly but deservedly lost a Div 2 final last year to the Kingdom who had 2 All Stars in their team (as we know now!) but to lift the team and achieve more this year is a tremendous achievement. Shane could be a future Down manager???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 30, 2010, 12:09:03 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 29, 2010, 10:07:01 PM
Quote from: Bearly on loose on October 29, 2010, 08:57:20 PM
Quote from: Tomorrow is another day on October 29, 2010, 07:20:29 PM
Ballyholland are a Newry team and will be in Division 1! So less of this no Newry City team in the top 2!

Have to say Shane Mulholland has done a fantastic job with the team this year to be the standout team in Div 2.

They narrowly but deservedly lost a Div 2 final last year to the Kingdom who had 2 All Stars in their team (as we know now!) but to lift the team and achieve more this year is a tremendous achievement. Shane could be a future Down manager???

Sorry for any offence caused but I have never regarded Ballyholland as a Newry team.  Not sure if Ballyholland people regard themselves as a Newry team either, but would be interested in finding out.

Must agree with your second statement however, Shane has done a fantastic job and they fully merit promotion!

As a fellow club man I would like to put on record that what Shane has achieved this year has been simply outstanding...he was the General but he had two very capable Lieutenants in Puddy Rushe and Kieran Hartigan. I have seen at first hand the effort these lads have put in all year (as have all the players and various other club personnel like the Wobbler and Boo Murtagh). Our club are very lucky to have this level of expertise available to us....and all three are dyed in the wool Harps. As for a "Newry" team...technically we are but we consider ourselves a country team....as for a future Down Manager??? If he keeps producing the goods like this we'll get it tough to hold on to him....but....he's still a Harp.

So much of what you say irs right and yet so much wrong.....
Ballyholland are really the counytry man's Shamrocks - massive catchment, massive under achievement
Huge talent at their disposal yet struggling to be creditable at this level
Shane has probably curtailed some of the mad cap excesses of past teams but there is so much natural football ability in the team that to think of them as anything other thean Div 1 is silly ..... yet, like Shamrocks, you have to ask just how together is this club really??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 30, 2010, 10:04:33 AM
You're some craic Leo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: On The Side on October 30, 2010, 11:01:39 AM
What exactley do you know about what goes on inside with this group of Ballyholland players Leo? Sweeping statement or what? Think to get promoted out of a tight 2nd div. takes a bit of hard work and a big amount of togetherness!! ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 30, 2010, 11:14:05 AM
Leo's view is a valid comment and view even though I disagreement with it in every way.

Ballyholland are possibly the only club in the county that is truely a town team based on schools and catchment area but have the traditions and culture of a country team.

Have the Harps team underdelivered? I dont think so. For whatever reason there seems to be a small pick in the team / club and although there have been a few false dawns I do think that next season could be the year when the team survives Div 1 as a mid table team.

What must be recognised however is the fact that the club's own ex players are putting their time in free to manage and develop the team. Look around Div 1 and Div2 teams - very few are managed by the own people. (Shamrocks and Downpatrick to their credit have a good tradition here too). This must be the way forward for GAA in the county. The gravy train years for so called experts in training and or pyschology and or nutrition to take teams other than their own clubs has delivered nothing for those clubs or for the development of the game within Down.

I applaude all clubs that encourage their own members to manage their teams and most of all those members who show the true spirit of the GAA by giving their time freely to develop our games in their home area and the skills and character of the young men in their clubs!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 30, 2010, 11:43:44 AM
Is Liatriom v Longstone in Saval or Newry today? It was originally fixed for Newry in press but i see Down website has it listed for Saval? Anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 30, 2010, 11:48:58 AM
Darragh Cross v Drumgath is now in Ballymartin at 3.00 tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on October 30, 2010, 01:12:33 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 30, 2010, 11:43:44 AM
Is Liatriom v Longstone in Saval or Newry today? It was originally fixed for Newry in press but i see Down website has it listed for Saval? Anyone confirm?

Saval at 3pm Mid Down Gael.  With the Tullylish Ulster Intermediate game fixed for Pairc Esler tomorrow they moved the game to saval after all the rain in the last few days I believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 30, 2010, 01:17:59 PM
I'd say that Ballyholland are no more from Newry than Burren are from Warrenpoint. Yes, the Harps dip into the town, mostly from the High St / Church St area, but the vast majority of players come from 2 square miles of bog and the one primary school.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on October 30, 2010, 01:49:47 PM
I would have thought that the players over the years from Church st / high street were minimal in comparison to Courtenay Hill, Warrenpoint Road area, Rathfriland road area, lol. I take your point though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 30, 2010, 03:42:43 PM
Does anyone know if the u21 competition is actually u21 or is it u20 again as there has been some confusion around the county re the age limit!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on October 30, 2010, 04:48:40 PM
Ive heard its been changed back to under 20, which is a joke as whichever team wins has to compete at under 21 level. Rostrever had to drop 13 players who had started training but are not available for the under 20 grade
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on October 30, 2010, 05:08:01 PM
longstone stay up. just back from liatroim v longstone.the mourne men just about deserved to win as liatroim hauled themselves back into the game on at least two occasions.match referee moore will hardly get any christmas cards from the fontenoy boys as a couple of iportant calls especially late on went against them.having said that the final score of the game from the 'stone  from out on the right was superb.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 30, 2010, 08:16:57 PM
Heard tonyt that the winners of the promotion plays offs in div 2 and div 3 tomorrow definately go up along with the teams that finished top. Anyone no if this is true?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 30, 2010, 08:19:52 PM
Knock it down, why do you think they're called promotion playoffs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 30, 2010, 08:43:03 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 30, 2010, 08:16:57 PM
Heard tonyt that the winners of the promotion plays offs in div 2 and div 3 tomorrow definately go up along with the teams that finished top. Anyone no if this is true?

thats the first I heard of that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 30, 2010, 08:56:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 30, 2010, 08:19:52 PM
Knock it down, why do you think they're called promotion playoffs?

so are 2 teams going up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 30, 2010, 09:03:08 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 30, 2010, 08:56:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 30, 2010, 08:19:52 PM
Knock it down, why do you think they're called promotion playoffs?

so are 2 teams going up?
In Div 2 Ballyholland are already up and will be joined by the winners of Downpatrick v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 30, 2010, 09:13:24 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 30, 2010, 08:56:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 30, 2010, 08:19:52 PM
Knock it down, why do you think they're called promotion playoffs?

so are 2 teams going up?
Two teams are up from Division 2. 1 each from 3 and 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 30, 2010, 11:43:24 PM
Now that Liatriom have finally been relegated after many years of survival, it leaves Kilcoo and Bryansford the only east Down clubs left in the top flight. Lets hope Downpatrick can come up tomorrow to join us and the ford. The ten team league really proved too tough for the town and Liatriom and i can see it being the same for Ballyholland and Downpatrick or Saval. Will miss the oul derbys next year, gate reciepts will suffer too as we only have clonduff and ford in derby games now. We always got great crowds against the Fontenoys, who we came up alongside in 1998, and the Town.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 31, 2010, 12:16:51 PM
It'll be interesting to see if Liatroim's golden generation try to get the Fontenoys back to Division One, or call it a day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 31, 2010, 04:29:07 PM
Shamrocks and Drumgath won
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banna Man on October 31, 2010, 04:53:53 PM
Any word of kilcoo minors
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 31, 2010, 05:08:08 PM
Shams 4-10 to kilclief 0-11
Saval 1-12 to RGU 1-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on October 31, 2010, 05:25:46 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 30, 2010, 11:43:24 PM
it leaves Kilcoo and Bryansford the only east Down clubs left in the top flight.

I have always considered Kilcoo and the Ford really as Sth Down teams.  After all they both from the foothills of the Mournes.  Its only some administrative line in-the-sand that decrees they are east down.  Its what is in the heart that really counts and East Down have yet to show that heart.

On this basis East Down are now unrepresented in the top division
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 31, 2010, 06:04:15 PM
Quote from: Banna Man on October 31, 2010, 04:53:53 PM
Any word of kilcoo minors

Clonduff won by six against an understrength Kilcoo side. On the day they where the better team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 31, 2010, 06:16:38 PM
Any result from the Bredagh/Saul relegation play-off in division three ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turkey+ham on October 31, 2010, 06:20:58 PM
Bredagh won by a point. Poor enough match with Bredagh missing a bagfull in the first half. Saul stayed in it and with about ten minutes to go Saul scored a goal to draw level but referee ruled it out as he blew for a free kick just as the saul ff had caught the ball and turned. Damien Laverty is a complete tool of a referee - poor decisions for both teams, but pulled saul back on three occasions when he should have let them play on. He had a huge bearing on the final score. I assume it's Bredagh v Bosco next week now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on October 31, 2010, 07:11:53 PM
It should be Saul against bosco next week,with bredagh playing bosco the following week.thought bredagh played the majority of the football and deserved the win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on October 31, 2010, 07:46:06 PM
any one see the darracross v drumgath game Who will win the div 3 final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 31, 2010, 07:48:11 PM
O Neills ACFL Div 1
Relegation Play off
Longstone 2 11 Liatroim 3 06
O Neills ACPRL Div 1
Clonduff 0 11 Mayobridge 2 13
O Neills ACFL Div 2 Semi Final
Downpatrick 1 09 Saval 1 12
O Neills ACFL Div 2
Relegation Play off
Shamrocks 4 09 Kilclief 0 11
O Neills ACFL Div 3 Semi Final
Drumgath 1 10 Darragh Cross 0 10
O Neills ACFL Div 3
Relegation Play off
Saul 0 12 Bredagh 0 13


that was squeeky bum time earlier on, we did miss a few chances earlier on and could have been well in front at the turn. Saul dug deep and reduced it to 1 but couldnt get the point that would have brought about extra time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on October 31, 2010, 08:32:25 PM
Any word on how tullylish got on today in ulster?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on October 31, 2010, 08:49:39 PM
heard tullylish were well beat and drumaness won in fermanagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 31, 2010, 09:34:16 PM
When do the Bridge play the Yellas in Div 1 playoff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on October 31, 2010, 09:37:31 PM
Quote from: 13aside on October 31, 2010, 08:49:39 PM
heard tullylish were well beat and drumaness won in fermanagh

D'ness 1-14 Maguiresbridge 1-07

Fantastic win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on October 31, 2010, 09:47:48 PM
Still hurting from earlier and we had chances (some removed thru some unusual ref decisions as turkey+ham referenced - very frustratin!) but we're clinging on now. Well done SB, Bredagh took some critical scores on breakaways in the 2nd half to just stay clear. Anyway, next weekend:

Fri Nov 5th(7 30)
O Neills ACFL Div 2 Final
Burren
Ballyholland v Saval(N Cousins)

Sat Nov 6th(2 30)
O Neills ACFL Div 1 Semi Final
Ballyholland
Clonduff v Mayobridge(G Tumelty)

Sun Nov 7th(2 00)
O Neills ACFL Div 2
Relegation Play off
Newcastle
Tullylish v Kilclief(B Rice)

O Neills ACFL Div 3
Relegation Play off
Ballykinlar
St John Bosco v Saul(P Toner)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Chief on October 31, 2010, 10:07:29 PM
Quote from: lucan on October 31, 2010, 07:46:06 PM
any one see the darracross v drumgath game Who will win the div 3 final

it was a poor game of football in fairness, both sides made mistake after mistake but Drumgath were able to take their scores more readily and deserved to win, Dougie Sheeran and Packie Downey had big performances for Drumgath, a few big refereeing decisions - the darragh players were claiming for a first half penalty but hard to tell if it was in or out of the rectangle from where i was standing, Drumgath lucky to escape bookings on a few occasions, Darragh's midfielder was sent off near the end after a disgraceful punch off the ball out of pure frustration when the game was up - i hate to see this on a football field

as for next week, i think Drumgath can win. Todays game will ensure theyre match fit and sharp come next sunday and if they can limit the leagues best forward Harrison then they have a real chance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on October 31, 2010, 10:42:40 PM
Are Drumgath promoted to Div 2, or does only one team go up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 31, 2010, 11:07:16 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on October 31, 2010, 10:42:40 PM
Are Drumgath promoted to Div 2, or does only one team go up?

One team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 31, 2010, 11:46:42 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on October 31, 2010, 09:47:48 PM
Still hurting from earlier and we had chances (some removed thru some unusual ref decisions as turkey+ham referenced - very frustratin!) but we're clinging on now. Well done SB, Bredagh took some critical scores on breakaways in the 2nd half to just stay clear. Anyway, next weekend:

Fri Nov 5th(7 30)
O Neills ACFL Div 2 Final
Burren
Ballyholland v Saval(N Cousins)

Sat Nov 6th(2 30)
O Neills ACFL Div 1 Semi Final
Ballyholland
Clonduff v Mayobridge(G Tumelty)

Sun Nov 7th(2 00)
O Neills ACFL Div 2
Relegation Play off
Newcastle
Tullylish v Kilclief(B Rice)

O Neills ACFL Div 3
Relegation Play off
Ballykinlar
St John Bosco v Saul(P Toner)

wat about div 3 final??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on November 01, 2010, 07:45:24 AM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 31, 2010, 11:46:42 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on October 31, 2010, 09:47:48 PM
Still hurting from earlier and we had chances (some removed thru some unusual ref decisions as turkey+ham referenced - very frustratin!) but we're clinging on now. Well done SB, Bredagh took some critical scores on breakaways in the 2nd half to just stay clear. Anyway, next weekend:

Fri Nov 5th(7 30)
O Neills ACFL Div 2 Final
Burren
Ballyholland v Saval(N Cousins)

Sat Nov 6th(2 30)
O Neills ACFL Div 1 Semi Final
Ballyholland
Clonduff v Mayobridge(G Tumelty)

Sun Nov 7th(2 00)
O Neills ACFL Div 2
Relegation Play off
Newcastle
Tullylish v Kilclief(B Rice)

O Neills ACFL Div 3
Relegation Play off
Ballykinlar
St John Bosco v Saul(P Toner)

wat about div 3 final??

Not sure why that isn't also slotted in there to get the games played but that's the fixtures sent out for next weekend. Don't rule out changes of venue or even additions to that today for Tuesday's IN.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on November 01, 2010, 08:41:21 AM
QuoteQuote from: 13aside on October 31, 2010, 08:49:39 PM
heard tullylish were well beat and drumaness won in fermanagh


D'ness 1-14 Maguiresbridge 1-07

Fantastic win.

Fair play to Drumaness, didn't realise their game was yesterday as well.

Who was the drumgath midfielder that got sent off?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 01, 2010, 10:06:50 AM
Quote from: The Chief on October 31, 2010, 10:07:29 PM
Quote from: lucan on October 31, 2010, 07:46:06 PM
any one see the darracross v drumgath game Who will win the div 3 final

it was a poor game of football in fairness, both sides made mistake after mistake but Drumgath were able to take their scores more readily and deserved to win, Dougie Sheeran and Packie Downey had big performances for Drumgath, a few big refereeing decisions - the darragh players were claiming for a first half penalty but hard to tell if it was in or out of the rectangle from where i was standing, Drumgath lucky to escape bookings on a few occasions, Darragh's midfielder was sent off near the end after a disgraceful punch off the ball out of pure frustration when the game was up - i hate to see this on a football field

as for next week, i think Drumgath can win. Todays game will ensure theyre match fit and sharp come next sunday and if they can limit the leagues best forward Harrison then they have a real chance

I think Drumgath will count themselves lucky with this win but after a few strong performances from their midfield, full forward and half forward they will not fear Glassdrumman. Drumgath got scores from the majority of their attacks but defensively in the first 20 minutes Darragh Cross forwards ran amock. Then they stopped feeding the ball into the scoring positions and it gave Drumgath a bit of time to compose.

Darragh Cross hit the cross bar with their first attack and some sharp defensive play along with forward movement made them look like they would run away wih this one. But Drumgath started to get good ball to Downey throught Jack Lynch and their right half forward put in a good days work dispossing Darragh Cross defenders to notch on a few scores.

That said, Darragh had two players sythed down when it would have been one on one with the keeper with no action taken against the defenders, kicked a bagfull to the keeper, hit the crossbar, and a late goal effort smashed to the side netting. Their forwards drifted out of the game and probably took shots when they should have looked for the man in a better position. Not for the first time this year when i have been watching them. If they had a bit of luck they could have won.

All said well done Drumgath on grinding out their win. They also hit the post late on with a goal bound effort so they will probably say they just shaded this one. They will need to be on their game in the final but Glassdrumman I think rely too much on Harrison who can be to eager in big games and end up walking the fine line. My money is on Drumgath by a point. Glassdrumman will not be able to compete with Lynch, Douggie and Downey. Route one football will win it for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 01, 2010, 11:30:41 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on November 01, 2010, 08:41:21 AM
QuoteQuote from: 13aside on October 31, 2010, 08:49:39 PM
heard tullylish were well beat and drumaness won in fermanagh


D'ness 1-14 Maguiresbridge 1-07

Fantastic win.

Fair play to Drumaness, didn't realise their game was yesterday as well.

Who was the drumgath midfielder that got sent off?

darracross midfielder sent off, not drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 01, 2010, 05:53:58 PM
Quote from: No hoper on October 30, 2010, 04:48:40 PM
Ive heard its been changed back to under 20, which is a joke as whichever team wins has to compete at under 21 level. Rostrever had to drop 13 players who had started training but are not available for the under 20 grade

Is this for deff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 01, 2010, 06:33:12 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 01, 2010, 05:53:58 PM
Quote from: No hoper on October 30, 2010, 04:48:40 PM
Ive heard its been changed back to under 20, which is a joke as whichever team wins has to compete at under 21 level. Rostrever had to drop 13 players who had started training but are not available for the under 20 grade

Is this for deff?

yeah.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on November 01, 2010, 11:31:42 PM
Commiseration to our neighbours Leitrim who fell at the weekend, I write this sincrerly because as a member of a small parish and a small  catchment area i know too well of the struggle to find the numbers within our area to feed the demands of a division 1 football team. We're not blessed with 50 U-8s turning up for training on a Saturday morning, indeed we rely on a good fall of snow and an elecrity black out to make the bare 15 lols. Leitim also support a hurley team which they deserve cedit for. They came up along with ourselves in 98 and beat us in two finals that year. We will miss the derbys and the craic and i personaly hope to see them back in 2012.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 02, 2010, 06:03:39 AM
Quote from: Oglach on November 01, 2010, 11:31:42 PM
Commiseration to our neighbours Leitrim who fell at the weekend, I write this sincrerly because as a member of a small parish and a small  catchment area i know too well of the struggle to find the numbers within our area to feed the demands of a division 1 football team. We're not blessed with 50 U-8s turning up for training on a Saturday morning, indeed we rely on a good fall of snow and an elecrity black out to make the bare 15 lols. Leitim also support a hurley team which they deserve cedit for. They came up along with ourselves in 98 and beat us in two finals that year. We will miss the derbys and the craic and i personaly hope to see them back in 2012.

I didnt think ye's would have it in ye's!
Fair play lad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 02, 2010, 09:00:01 AM
Hopefully I'll be able to post similarly lachymose words about the demise of our neighbours next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 02, 2010, 10:51:20 AM
Harps V Saval game switched to 2 30pm on SATURDAY in Burren now because of the GPA awards on Friday night. Clonduff & the Bridge game switched to Newcastle 3pm Saturday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 02, 2010, 12:20:47 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 02, 2010, 10:51:20 AM
Harps V Saval game switched to 2 30pm on SATURDAY in Burren now because of the GPA awards on Friday night. Clonduff & the Bridge game switched to Newcastle 3pm Saturday


So people cant go and watch both games 5 sams...??? Seriously who devises these fixtures?? Mickey Mouse?? Complete and utter joke never ever ceases to amaze me  >:(

Newcastle like what the fxxk??? Why not saval??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 02, 2010, 03:03:05 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on November 02, 2010, 12:20:47 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 02, 2010, 10:51:20 AM
Harps V Saval game switched to 2 30pm on SATURDAY in Burren now because of the GPA awards on Friday night. Clonduff & the Bridge game switched to Newcastle 3pm Saturday


So people cant go and watch both games 5 sams...??? Seriously who devises these fixtures?? Mickey Mouse?? Complete and utter joke never ever ceases to amaze me  >:(

Newcastle like what the fxxk??? Why not saval??

Yeah its utter madness. I for one would love to see both games. Would it not make sence to play one at 1pm and the other at 3pm at venues in close proximity, eg. Bridge v Clonduff in Saval,  Burren or Ballyholland and Saval v Harps in Mayobridge or Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 02, 2010, 03:09:43 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on November 02, 2010, 06:03:39 AM
Quote from: Oglach on November 01, 2010, 11:31:42 PM
Commiseration to our neighbours Leitrim who fell at the weekend, I write this sincrerly because as a member of a small parish and a small  catchment area i know too well of the struggle to find the numbers within our area to feed the demands of a division 1 football team. We're not blessed with 50 U-8s turning up for training on a Saturday morning, indeed we rely on a good fall of snow and an elecrity black out to make the bare 15 lols. Leitim also support a hurley team which they deserve cedit for. They came up along with ourselves in 98 and beat us in two finals that year. We will miss the derbys and the craic and i personaly hope to see them back in 2012.

I didnt think ye's would have it in ye's!
Fair play lad

Totally agree. Will miss the rivalry of the local derby and both clubs will suffer financially in the gate reciepts as the fixture always attracted a big crowd. Saying that Liatriom hung on in recent years by the skin of their teeth and it was only a matter of time especially with Liam Doyle and Collie McCrickard suffering long term injuries.
I think they will not be far away in division 2 next year along with the town, Loughinisland and Downpatrick at the top. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on November 02, 2010, 03:19:36 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 02, 2010, 03:03:05 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on November 02, 2010, 12:20:47 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 02, 2010, 10:51:20 AM
Harps V Saval game switched to 2 30pm on SATURDAY in Burren now because of the GPA awards on Friday night. Clonduff & the Bridge game switched to Newcastle 3pm Saturday


So people cant go and watch both games 5 sams...??? Seriously who devises these fixtures?? Mickey Mouse?? Complete and utter joke never ever ceases to amaze me  >:(

Newcastle like what the fxxk??? Why not saval??

Yeah its utter madness. I for one would love to see both games. Would it not make sence to play one at 1pm and the other at 3pm at venues in close proximity, eg. Bridge v Clonduff in Saval,  Burren or Ballyholland and Saval v Harps in Mayobridge or Burren.

1. No pitch in the County would take 2 games one after another with the rain over the past 48 hrs.

2. Saval could not host the Div 1 Semi, as there would be no one from the Saval club there to steward the crowd, do the gate etc. There club members would be at the Div 2 Final.

3. Sunday is out as I'm sure everyone will want to go to Páirc Esler to watch the Burren game.

A hard one to get right I'm sure for anyone to organise!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 02, 2010, 04:16:38 PM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on November 02, 2010, 03:19:36 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 02, 2010, 03:03:05 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on November 02, 2010, 12:20:47 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 02, 2010, 10:51:20 AM
Harps V Saval game switched to 2 30pm on SATURDAY in Burren now because of the GPA awards on Friday night. Clonduff & the Bridge game switched to Newcastle 3pm Saturday


So people cant go and watch both games 5 sams...??? Seriously who devises these fixtures?? Mickey Mouse?? Complete and utter joke never ever ceases to amaze me  >:(

Newcastle like what the fxxk??? Why not saval??

Yeah its utter madness. I for one would love to see both games. Would it not make sence to play one at 1pm and the other at 3pm at venues in close proximity, eg. Bridge v Clonduff in Saval,  Burren or Ballyholland and Saval v Harps in Mayobridge or Burren.

1. No pitch in the County would take 2 games one after another with the rain over the past 48 hrs.

2. Saval could not host the Div 1 Semi, as there would be no one from the Saval club there to steward the crowd, do the gate etc. There club members would be at the Div 2 Final.

3. Sunday is out as I'm sure everyone will want to go to Páirc Esler to watch the Burren game.

A hard one to get right I'm sure for anyone to organise!

I didnt suggest one pitch hosting 2 games one game after another. it could have been arranged so both fixtures could have been attended. Even play the div 1 simi in Newcastle at 3 or 3.15 as its fixed for but play the the div 2 final at 1pm in Burren. What difference would an hour and a half earlier make.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 02, 2010, 09:14:22 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on November 02, 2010, 12:20:47 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 02, 2010, 10:51:20 AM
Harps V Saval game switched to 2 30pm on SATURDAY in Burren now because of the GPA awards on Friday night. Clonduff & the Bridge game switched to Newcastle 3pm Saturday


So people cant go and watch both games 5 sams...??? Seriously who devises these fixtures?? Mickey Mouse?? Complete and utter joke never ever ceases to amaze me  >:(

Newcastle like what the fxxk??? Why not saval??

Organisation of fixtures in Down is a mammoth and thankless task,handled with fairness and respect for all clubs by a voluntary administrator.The overall system(which has been agreed by the clubs) isn't perfect but is probably the best in Ireland ,has been gradually improved over recent years,and hopefully will be further improved in the forthcoming seasons.I will not go into all the factors which have to be taken into consideration by the fixtures secretary,suffice to say that it is absolutely impossible to keep everybody happy all of the time.My own club have at times been forced to play matches at awkward dates, times and venues,but when we sought an explanation ,we understood that it was inevitably the best or only option available.And before you ask I am not a member of the county board,nor related to Sean Rooney,I just have enormous respect for the efficiency,intelligence and time he gives to this task.Many thanks Seán.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 02, 2010, 10:13:45 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 02, 2010, 09:14:22 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on November 02, 2010, 12:20:47 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 02, 2010, 10:51:20 AM
Harps V Saval game switched to 2 30pm on SATURDAY in Burren now because of the GPA awards on Friday night. Clonduff & the Bridge game switched to Newcastle 3pm Saturday


So people cant go and watch both games 5 sams...??? Seriously who devises these fixtures?? Mickey Mouse?? Complete and utter joke never ever ceases to amaze me  >:(

Newcastle like what the fxxk??? Why not saval??

Organisation of fixtures in Down is a mammoth and thankless task,handled with fairness and respect for all clubs by a voluntary administrator.The overall system(which has been agreed by the clubs) isn't perfect but is probably the best in Ireland ,has been gradually improved over recent years,and hopefully will be further improved in the forthcoming seasons.I will not go into all the factors which have to be taken into consideration by the fixtures secretary,suffice to say that it is absolutely impossible to keep everybody happy all of the time.My own club have at times been forced to play matches at awkward dates, times and venues,but when we sought an explanation ,we understood that it was inevitably the best or only option available.And before you ask I am not a member of the county board,nor related to Sean Rooney,I just have enormous respect for the efficiency,intelligence and time he gives to this task.Many thanks Seán.

6th sam, no offence directed at sean rooney but Im sure he s not on his own carrying this can?? But seriously If there was a full round of fixtures on saturday then fair enough I could understand but we have a League final in division 2, a local derby added into the bargin and then we have another local derby in a league semi final?? all clubs in close proximity and with supporters probably wanting to see both.maybe three is the only time that suits the bridge, Eamon might be training monaghan that morning maybe.. who knows  .... :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 03, 2010, 09:53:38 PM
Anybody any views on Divisional All Star teams for the past season?

This would be my Division 3 select from what Ive seen this year.

1. Eamon King (Dundrum)

2. Ethan Toner (Bosco)
3. Stephen Deegans (Ardglass)
4. Conal McKee (Dundrum)

5. Ryan Doran (Glasdrumman)
6. Packie Downey (Drumgath)
7. Mark Trimble (Glasdrumman)

8. Cormac Murphy (Glasdrumman)
9. Declan Sheerin (Drumgath)

10. Mark Connolly (Drumgath)
11. Hugh Murray (Darragh Cross)
12. Jack Lynch (Drumgath)

13. Raymond Magorrian (Glasdrumman)
14. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
15. Marcus Miskelly (Darragh Cross)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 03, 2010, 10:55:31 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 03, 2010, 09:53:38 PM
Anybody any views on Divisional All Star teams for the past season?

This would be my Division 3 select from what Ive seen this year.

1. Eamon King (Dundrum)

2. Ethan Toner (Bosco)
3. Stephen Deegans (Ardglass)
4. Conal McKee (Dundrum)

5. Ryan Doran (Glasdrumman)
6. Packie Downey (Drumgath)
7. Mark Trimble (Glasdrumman)

8. Cormac Murphy (Glasdrumman)
9. Declan Sheerin (Drumgath)

10. Mark Connolly (Drumgath)
11. Hugh Murray (Darragh Cross)12. Jack Lynch (Drumgath)
13. Raymond Magorrian (Glasdrumman)
14. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
15. Marcus Miskelly (Darragh Cross)


Disagree with a couple of selections .

Firstly as lethal as Paul was for us when he hit form he probably didn't play 50% of Division 3 games with niggling injuries and starred games. The Full forward to impress me this year was Nathan Keenan from Saul and indeed Stephen Deegan who you have in full back when converted there.

I think with Jack Lynch you are putting a square peg into a round hole and I would be surprised if at anytime of the year he featured in that position. The young wing half forward from Glenn Denis Murtagh showed class when I saw him. Perhaps a place for Liam Mullan could also be argued for at number 11.

Apart form that pretty much bang on the money.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 03, 2010, 11:02:06 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 03, 2010, 10:55:31 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 03, 2010, 09:53:38 PM
Anybody any views on Divisional All Star teams for the past season?

This would be my Division 3 select from what Ive seen this year.

1. Eamon King (Dundrum)

2. Ethan Toner (Bosco)
3. Stephen Deegans (Ardglass)
4. Conal McKee (Dundrum)

5. Ryan Doran (Glasdrumman)
6. Packie Downey (Drumgath)
7. Mark Trimble (Glasdrumman)

8. Cormac Murphy (Glasdrumman)
9. Declan Sheerin (Drumgath)

10. Mark Connolly (Drumgath)
11. Hugh Murray (Darragh Cross)12. Jack Lynch (Drumgath)
13. Raymond Magorrian (Glasdrumman)
14. Paul McComiskey (Dundrum)
15. Marcus Miskelly (Darragh Cross)


Disagree with a couple of selections .

Firstly as lethal as Paul was for us when he hit form he probably didn't play 50% of Division 3 games with niggling injuries and starred games. The Full forward to impress me this year was Nathan Keenan from Saul and indeed Stephen Deegan who you have in full back when converted there.

I think with Jack Lynch you are putting a square peg into a round hole and I would be surprised if at anytime of the year he featured in that position. The young wing half forward from Glenn Denis Murtagh showed class when I saw him. Perhaps a place for Liam Mullan could also be argued for at number 11.

Apart form that pretty much bang on the money.

Declan Alder (Carryduff), Niall McParland (Glenn), Liam Mullan (Ardglass) and Nathan Keenan (Saul) all had very good seasons, particularly Keenan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 03, 2010, 11:18:23 PM
DF, After Mc Comiskey, the stand-out forward in this division is Conaire Harrison of Glasdrumman- I know he missed a fair few games but he's lethal. Owen Costello from Bredagh and Declan Alder should be there also whereas Ryan Doran has gone off the boil.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 03, 2010, 11:23:37 PM
My team would be

Armstrong
toner
deegans
costelloe
doran
kingo Saul
mcnulty
lynch
sheerin
mullan
slevin
Murray
magorrian
keenan
miskelly

the best player in the division,Harrison,unfortunately missed too many games to be considered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 04, 2010, 12:07:12 AM
Quote from: east down gael on November 03, 2010, 11:23:37 PM
My team would be

Armstrong
toner
deegans
costelloe
doran
kingo Saul
mcnulty
lynch
sheerin
mullan
slevin
Murray
magorrian
keenan
miskelly

the best player in the division,Harrison,unfortunately missed too many games to be considered.

Not so much as being a Dundrum man, but more so as having been blessed with the sense of sight, I would have to disagree with you and say Paul Mc Comiskey is the best player in Division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 04, 2010, 09:45:38 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 04, 2010, 12:07:12 AM
Quote from: east down gael on November 03, 2010, 11:23:37 PM
My team would be

Armstrong
toner
deegans
costelloe
doran
kingo Saul
mcnulty
lynch
sheerin
mullan
slevin
Murray
magorrian
keenan
miskelly

the best player in the division,Harrison,unfortunately missed too many games to be considered.

Not so much as being a Dundrum man, but more so as having been blessed with the sense of sight, I would have to disagree with you and say Paul Mc Comiskey is the best player in Division 3.

i would not know alot of the players names as i did not buy too many programmes but from the games i watched this year following Darragh Cross I would say that Glen had maybe had two very classy players, one was half back and one half forward.

Drumgath's right half forward, ginger fella, was very good in two games. Sheerin can definately field a ball so he's a shoe in. Was Lynch not missing for part of the season? I would have to put in Padraig Mageean in there. And to be honest he is not far from being given player of the year.

In the four games against Drumgath and Glassdrumman I wouldnt think there was 10 - 11 players better than what Darragh Cross have.

St Johns had a couple of decent players. Apart from that no other team had any stand out performers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 04, 2010, 04:28:01 PM
McComiskey is a class act,but I've seen him well marked in games,whereas Harrison is lethal every time I've watched him.I'm refering to club football only.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 04, 2010, 07:19:59 PM
Great debate on best 15 in Div 3 this year..

Let pick your best 15 players for your own club that you have seen.

This can be any club from first div right down to fourth div.


I have pick 3 local teams that i have shown an interest in.


Rostrevor

Jay Parr
Martin Cole, Leo Murphy, Teddy Mulholland
Phemlin Leneghan, Tommy Markey, Mickey Daly
Liam Austin, Jarlath Austin;
Mickey Cole, Adrian Farrell, Damien Morgan;
Lloyd Parr, Shaun Parr, Pete McGrath.


Burren
Gary Walsh;
Brendan McKernan, Tommy McGovern, Malachy Murdock;
Kevin McKernan, Seamus Doyle, Brendan McGovern
Paddy O'Rourke, Declan Rooney;
Pat McKay, John Trainor, Tony McArdle;
Vincent McGovern, Tom Fegan, Gerard Murdock.


Mayobridge
Tommy McGivern,
Shane McMahon, Tom O'Hare, Jimmy Coulter;
Francis Poland, Francis Gallagher, Conor Garvey;
Eoin Woods, Paul O'Hare;
Ronan Sexton, Mickey Walsh, Peter Linden;
Mickey Linden, Francis Coulter, Benny Coulter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on November 04, 2010, 08:01:32 PM
Quote from: east down gael on November 04, 2010, 04:28:01 PM
McComiskey is a class act,but I've seen him well marked in games,whereas Harrison is lethal every time I've watched him.I'm refering to club football only.

have to say that harrison doesnt have the temperment or the pace of McComiskey. always seems more focused on fighting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 04, 2010, 08:42:09 PM
Good to see our neighbours and future Ulster club champions training in our facilities tonight as both their bogs weren't fit for football ;D ;D Love thy neighbour and all :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 04, 2010, 09:00:43 PM
Quote from: messy gael on November 04, 2010, 07:59:30 PM
Quote from: umpire on November 04, 2010, 07:19:59 PM
Great debate on best 15 in Div 3 this year..

Let pick your best 15 players for your own club that you have seen.

This can be any club from first div right down to fourth div.


I have pick 3 local teams that i have shown an interest in.


Rostrevor

Jay Parr
Martin Cole, Leo Murphy, Teddy Mulholland
Phemlin Leneghan, Tommy Markey, Mickey Daly
Liam Austin, Jarlath Austin;
Mickey Cole, Adrian Farrell, Damien Morgan;
Lloyd Parr, Shaun Parr, Pete McGrath.


Burren
Gary Walsh;
Brendan McKernan, Tommy McGovern, Malachy Murdock;
Kevin McKernan, Seamus Doyle, Brendan McGovern
Paddy O'Rourke, Declan Rooney;
Pat McKay, John Trainor, Tony McArdle;
Vincent McGovern, Tom Fegan, Gerard Murdock.


Mayobridge
Tommy McGivern,
Shane McMahon, Tom O'Hare, Jimmy Coulter;
Francis Poland, Francis Gallagher, Conor Garvey;
Eoin Woods, Paul O'Hare;
Ronan Sexton, Mickey Walsh, Peter Linden;
Mickey Linden, Francis Coulter, Benny Coulter.


I will put my neck on the line and say John "Shorty" Trainor was the best club player ever to play in Down......

My opinion only I might add

One of my first memories of growing up was seeing him in action on the club sence. Absolute marvel to watch.
Also remember watching benny play for the first time, think it was against An Riocht in Hilltown in a senior championship game, one of the best displays I have seen in club football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on November 04, 2010, 09:13:01 PM
I second Shorty Treanors nomination as the best club player in Down over a long number of years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 04, 2010, 09:41:24 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on November 04, 2010, 09:13:01 PM
I second Shorty Treanors nomination as the best club player in Down over a long number of years

Its no contest. 3 man of the matchs in county finals, 10 championship medals, 5 ulster club and 2 all ireland club medals. He was the man that made Burren tick and was an absolute joy to watch even in the latter stages of his career.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 04, 2010, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 04, 2010, 09:41:24 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on November 04, 2010, 09:13:01 PM
I second Shorty Treanors nomination as the best club player in Down over a long number of years

Its no contest. 3 man of the matchs in county finals, 10 championship medals, 5 ulster club and 2 all ireland club medals. He was the man that made Burren tick and was an absolute joy to watch even in the latter stages of his career.

are there any videos of this man? Before my time unfortunately!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 04, 2010, 10:46:16 PM
Heard that Club Down are reviving the all-stars.
Good idea but who i going to make the selections?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on November 04, 2010, 10:47:13 PM
I have to agree that Shorty was the best club player i ever saw play in Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 04, 2010, 10:49:53 PM
Quote from: umpire on November 04, 2010, 07:19:59 PM
Great debate on best 15 in Div 3 this year..

Let pick your best 15 players for your own club that you have seen.

This can be any club from first div right down to fourth div.


I have pick 3 local teams that i have shown an interest in.


Rostrevor

Jay Parr
Martin Cole, Leo Murphy, Teddy Mulholland
Phemlin Leneghan, Tommy Markey, Mickey Daly
Liam Austin, Jarlath Austin;
Mickey Cole, Adrian Farrell, Damien Morgan;
Lloyd Parr, Shaun Parr, Pete McGrath.


Burren
Gary Walsh;
Brendan McKernan, Tommy McGovern, Malachy Murdock;
Kevin McKernan, Seamus Doyle, Brendan McGovern
Paddy O'Rourke, Declan Rooney;
Pat McKay, John Trainor, Tony McArdle;
Vincent McGovern, Tom Fegan, Gerard Murdock.


Mayobridge
Tommy McGivern,
Shane McMahon, Tom O'Hare, Jimmy Coulter;
Francis Poland, Francis Gallagher, Conor Garvey;
Eoin Woods, Paul O'Hare;
Ronan Sexton, Mickey Walsh, Peter Linden;
Mickey Linden, Francis Coulter, Benny Coulter.

A Rostrevor team without Tom Morgan, Bud Reilly & Joey Annett?

A Burren team without Noel Millar, Pat Murtagh & Paddy MacMahon?

I dom't think so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 04, 2010, 10:59:02 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on November 04, 2010, 09:13:01 PM
I second Shorty Treanors nomination as the best club player in Down over a long number of years

Outstanding player in a team of many stars.
Eye-catching forward who gets the crucial scores versus the dominant defender who stopped them (Tommy McGovern) - not as clear cut as you might think.
And then you have to consider massive club players down the years with less fashionable or successful clubs who could single-handed drag them to unreal results ...

Paddy Doherty Ballykinlar
Pat Small Lisnacree
Martin Farnon Clonduff
Sean O'Rourke Greencastle
Donal Bell Teconnaught
Marty Ross Ardglass RIP
Cecil Ward Bryansford
and the daddy of them all .....
James Morgan Kilcoo

... no not so clear cut at all unless you just want to concentrate on county champions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 04, 2010, 11:03:16 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 04, 2010, 09:41:24 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on November 04, 2010, 09:13:01 PM
I second Shorty Treanors nomination as the best club player in Down over a long number of years

Its no contest. 3 man of the matchs in county finals, 10 championship medals, 5 ulster club and 2 all ireland club medals. He was the man that made Burren tick and was an absolute joy to watch even in the latter stages of his career.

Brilliant club player,and also performed well at county level-probably just unlucky not to fit in to the system that brought us two all-irelands in the 90s.Of the same era was Bundy Mason,who was unmarkable for Loughinisland.Burren at that time had an incredibly strong player base with consistent underage success,and county player representation.Loughinisland and specifically Bundy's achievement in competing with an outstanding Burren team,on very limited resources, has to be admired.Ambrose senior had a similar effect on an excellent Longstone team of the same era,who were again working from small numbers.I sense that Down club football is returning again to those heady days,and I would be delighted to see Burren push on in Ulster again, on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 04, 2010, 11:04:54 PM
Quote from: Leo on November 04, 2010, 10:59:02 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on November 04, 2010, 09:13:01 PM
I second Shorty Treanors nomination as the best club player in Down over a long number of years

Outstanding player in a team of many stars.
Eye-catching forward who gets the crucial scores versus the dominant defender who stopped them (Tommy McGovern) - not as clear cut as you might think.
And then you have to consider massive club players down the years with less fashionable or successful clubs who could single-handed drag them to unreal results ...

Paddy Doherty Ballykinlar
Pat Small Lisnacree
Martin Farnon Clonduff
Sean O'Rourke Greencastle
Donal Bell Teconnaught
Marty Ross Ardglass RIP
Cecil Ward Bryansford
and the daddy of them all .....
James Morgan Kilcoo

... no not so clear cut at all unless you just want to concentrate on county champions.

James Morgan was the best player ever in Kilcoo bar none. I have vague memories of him late in his career and he was special.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 04, 2010, 11:14:22 PM
Even though Benny Coulter is known as a brilliant county player, he will also go down as one of the club greats in Down. 8 county senior medals and underage medals at every age group, he was highly instrumental in the fortunes of Mayobridge since the late 90's at senior level. He was/is simply unmarkable at club level and only for him i dont think the bridge would have won half as much. Any time he was injured, for example the Burren simi final a few weeks ago, they struggled. Mickey Walsh, Ronan Sexton, Eoghan Woods and Gavin Barry where also brilliant club players for the bridge in their decade of dominance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on November 04, 2010, 11:20:00 PM
Have to agree Bundy was up there with Shorty two special players, there skill, talent and movement would grace any team in any generation. Shorty was the conductor of a special team whilst Bundy was worth at least 8/9 points a game even when double marked.

To be fair the Islands transfer system was already in full swing at that time so there resources weren't as limited as some would believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on November 05, 2010, 12:52:59 AM
Bundy was really something special, and had he been fortunate enough to be playing on a better Down team during the 80s, he would now be one of the legends of the game, with a few all star awards. Unlike Shorty Bundy was able to cut it at Co.level and delivered some wonderful displays in the Jersey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on November 05, 2010, 12:30:09 PM
Shorty is definately the best i have seen.
Any thoughts on this years team of the championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on November 05, 2010, 03:50:44 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on November 05, 2010, 12:52:59 AM
Bundy was really something special, and had he been fortunate enough to be playing on a better Down team during the 80s, he would now be one of the legends of the game, with a few all star awards. Unlike Shorty Bundy was able to cut it at Co.level and delivered some wonderful displays in the Jersey

I would obviously agree with the first sentiment. I have heard people on occasion point to the fact that Bundy didn't win an All Ireland in 91 as evidence of his lack of pedigree at County Level. However, 91 probably marks his tipping point in his career and his best years were from 84 up to 90. He had bad injury problems in the latter part of his career which ended up requiring a hip replacement in recent years. He was a replacement all star in 86 and he had the record for the highest total score in a season for the Ulster championship that stood for many years. The buzz sent round the ground when he got the ball was something to behold and everyone at Loughinisland always felt it was a privilege to play with him.

I think people are harsh on Shorty and there are a number of reasons why he is remembered as a good county player but not a great one. Things maybe just did not fall right for him. At club level he totally and utterly dominated and was the scourge of our lives for too long. An absolute legend and in my opinion the players that come close to equallying his dominance in recent years  are , Bundy, Benny Coulter, Mickey Linden and Ambrose Sn. Interestingly most are very different types of player.

Ciarian McCabe is another notable in the top club player category. He wasn't as fast as bundy, or Mickey, not as strong as Benny or as cute as Shorty, but in terms of pure skill he was hard to match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 05, 2010, 04:09:46 PM
shorty was definitly the best club player in down and was so for many years. he would have to be closely followed by micky linden, benny coulter, bundy and ambrose snr. all brilliant players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on November 05, 2010, 04:28:43 PM
Eddie King who played for Kilclief and Bryansford at club level was one of the best full backs in the county before injury cut his career at both club and county short
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 05, 2010, 04:48:57 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on November 05, 2010, 04:28:43 PM
Eddie King who played for Kilclief and Bryansford at club level was one of the best full backs in the county before injury cut his career at both club and county short

I thought he played half back, though your memory is probably better than mine.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 05, 2010, 04:51:15 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 05, 2010, 04:48:57 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on November 05, 2010, 04:28:43 PM
Eddie King who played for Kilclief and Bryansford at club level was one of the best full backs in the county before injury cut his career at both club and county short

I thought he played half back, though your memory is probably better than mine.

Dundrumite, Id take The Clutch's word on this one.  He would know the man better than you do ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on November 05, 2010, 05:02:46 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on November 05, 2010, 04:28:43 PM
Eddie King who played for Kilclief and Bryansford at club level was one of the best full backs in the county before injury cut his career at both club and county short

He was one dirty b@llix on the field, his sons havn't reached the dizzy heights of their father on the Gaelic pitch from what i can gather ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on November 05, 2010, 06:03:17 PM
He was a full back for the county, played half back the odd time I believe too, but made his name at full back! Played everywhere for kilclief except nets I believe! And finished up in full forward for the ford! Heard he did get under a few peoples skins alryt, he was hard! wouldnt last two mins on the field today though more than likely!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on November 05, 2010, 06:14:34 PM
peter hamill from clonduff was an excellent club player along with a player from longstone who went by the nickname of 'fluff'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 06, 2010, 05:48:39 PM
Division 1 league simi final

Mayobridge 1-14 Clonduff 0-8

The Bridge well worth their victory, Benny Coulter was amazing at full forward kicking 1-3 well supported by Ryan Brady, Cathal Magee and Noel Sexton. The two Grants where also brilliant in defence. Clonduff where poor, too negative once again. If Benny, Garvey, Sexton and Walsh had have been fit i think we would have different county champions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 06, 2010, 05:51:28 PM
Saval crowned division two champions today beating Ballyholland 0-13 to 0-9.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 06, 2010, 06:08:58 PM
Good win for us today.. though Clonduffs tactics played into our hands... Benny was on fire but Barry Garvey, Darren fegan and Cathal Killen played well when given their chance today.. Burren will be a tough assignment in the final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 06, 2010, 06:12:46 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 06, 2010, 06:08:58 PM
Good win for us today.. though Clonduffs tactics played into our hands... Benny was on fire but Barry Garvey, Darren fegan and Cathal Killen played well when given their chance today.. Burren will be a tough assignment in the final

Yeah they done well for lads that wouldnt normally start. If Bridge have Conor Garvey from the start i can see yous retaining the league title. Walsh was unlucky to get the straight red in a handbags incident started by Clonduffs mr hard man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 06, 2010, 06:47:22 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 06, 2010, 06:12:46 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 06, 2010, 06:08:58 PM
Good win for us today.. though Clonduffs tactics played into our hands... Benny was on fire but Barry Garvey, Darren fegan and Cathal Killen played well when given their chance today.. Burren will be a tough assignment in the final

Yeah they done well for lads that wouldnt normally start. If Bridge have Conor Garvey from the start i can see yous retaining the league title. Walsh was unlucky to get the straight red in a handbags incident started by Clonduffs mr hard man.

I dont think he will try to hit Walsh in a hurry again though ;)
A few weeks will benefit Garvey.. a league title would be a lovely way to finish the season but it will be hard to beat the Aristocrats  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 06, 2010, 07:35:08 PM
who is clonduffs mr hardman?? MDG?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 06, 2010, 08:21:58 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 06, 2010, 05:51:28 PM
Saval crowned division two champions today beating Ballyholland 0-13 to 0-9.

Congrats to Saval...well deserved win. Our boys saved one of their worst performances of the year for the league final.....our main threats didnt threaten today and theirs were the difference...young Falloon was outstanding...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tomorrow is another day on November 06, 2010, 09:48:31 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 06, 2010, 08:21:58 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 06, 2010, 05:51:28 PM
Saval crowned division two champions today beating Ballyholland 0-13 to 0-9.

Congrats to Saval...well deserved win. Our boys saved one of their worst performances of the year for the league final.....our main threats didnt threaten today and theirs were the difference...young Falloon was outstanding...

5Sams - Its a pity for the club and town but at leaset you have the 1st Division to look forward to unlike last year's final defeat. If I remember right you lost to Saval in the Div 2 final 3 years ago too? Thats 3 Div 2 finals in 4 seasons! Why does the team not perform on the big days???
Title: Relegated
Post by: No1 on November 07, 2010, 03:03:00 PM
Tullylish beat Kilclief by a point.  Kilclief gone into Division 3.  It could be a very long time before we are back.  Such a turnaround from last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on November 07, 2010, 03:58:18 PM
Burren keep up the tradition :).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 07, 2010, 04:03:26 PM
Bosco beat Saul by a point, Saul are relageted as will the loser of nexts weeks game between Bredagh and Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on November 07, 2010, 06:27:13 PM
Tullylish would have felt very hard done by today if they came out on the wrong side of the result. A terrible display by the referee and his officials.
Tullylish showed great spirit coming from five points down to snatch the win at the death
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on November 07, 2010, 06:32:41 PM
If Tullylish had have been beaten would they then have been relegated, and if so as IFC winners would they have kept their place in the SFC next year? Or how does it work in Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 07, 2010, 06:40:55 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on November 07, 2010, 06:32:41 PM
If Tullylish had have been beaten would they then have been relegated, and if so as IFC winners would they have kept their place in the SFC next year? Or how does it work in Down?

yea they would still be in the sfc next season. Drumgath played longstone in 2007 in the first round of the sfc while in division 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turkey+ham on November 07, 2010, 08:39:45 PM
Saul down, but it could just as easily have been bosco. Very poor fayre. Officials were as bad as I ever seen - to both teams. Adam King getting sent off impacted more upon Saul than his opponents red card. He got sent off for being, 'third man in' to quote the ref. hard to believe whenever there were already about sixteen men from both sides already pushing and shoving right beside the linesman.
Game went to extra time after it ended a draw - surely it shouldn't have as it would have no bearing on the outcome? A bosco win next week would have been enough for them to stay up, as would a bredagh win for them???? :-\
Title: Re: Relegated
Post by: DownFanatic on November 07, 2010, 11:20:39 PM
Quote from: No1 on November 07, 2010, 03:03:00 PM
Tullylish beat Kilclief by a point.  Kilclief gone into Division 3.  It could be a very long time before we are back.  Such a turnaround from last year.

Did yourselves and Atticall go up in the same year? Id say both teams will be hovering at the top end of Division 3 next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on November 08, 2010, 09:56:28 AM
So what's the full picture so far? Can someone fill in for me please?

Div 1

Up: N/A
Down:

Div 2

Up: Saval
Down: Kilcief

Div 3

Up:
Down: Drumaness
          Saul

Div 4

Up: Mitchels
Down: N/A
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on November 08, 2010, 10:36:59 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on November 08, 2010, 09:56:28 AM
So what's the full picture so far? Can someone fill in for me please?

Div 1

Up: N/A
Down:
Liatroim
Castlewellan

Div 2

Up:
Saval
Ballyholland

Down:
Tullylish or Shamrocks
Kilclief
Attical

Div 3
Up:
Drumgath or Glasdrumman

Down:
Bosco or Bredagh
Saul
Drumaness

Div 4

Up: Mitchels
Down: N/A
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on November 08, 2010, 10:58:12 AM
cheers for that lad

The drumgath glassdrummand game could be a cracker, games this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on November 08, 2010, 11:51:39 AM
Anyone have the teams and scorers from Saturdays game between Bridge and Clonduff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down1 on November 08, 2010, 06:16:42 PM
Mayobridge tream and scorers: Liam Coulter, Adrian Barry, Shane O'Hare, Seamus Grant, Cathal Killen, Brendan Grant, Micheal Lively, Eoghan Woods, Darren Fegan, Barry Garvey, Brendan Coulter (1-3), Conleth O'Hare (0-1), Noel Sexton (0-3), Cathal Magee (0-4), Ryan Brady (0-2).

Subs used: Michael Walsh (0-1), Conor Garvey, Shane McNamee, Caolan Lynchehaun.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 08, 2010, 08:19:37 PM
Quote from: down1 on November 08, 2010, 06:16:42 PM
Mayobridge tream and scorers: Liam Coulter, Adrian Barry, Shane O'Hare, Seamus Grant, Cathal Killen, Brendan Grant, Micheal Lively, Eoghan Woods, Darren Fegan, Barry Garvey, Brendan Coulter (1-3), Conleth O'Hare (0-1), Noel Sexton (0-3), Cathal Magee (0-4), Ryan Brady (0-2).

Subs used: Michael Walsh (0-1), Conor Garvey, Shane McNamee, Caolan Lynchehaun.

Clonduff team and scorers:
N Trainor, J McPolin, M McPolin, S McGreevy, K Trainor, R Grant, G McDonald, J Brown 0-1 A McConnville, P McGreevy, P McPolin, F McConnville, C Og OHagan, S Ward 0-4, P Lively 0-1.

Subs: J Fegan 0-1, T McGreevy 0-1, N McPolin, B Brannigan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 09, 2010, 06:01:56 PM
Believe John Rafferty has left Rostrevor, anymore managerial changes so far?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 11, 2010, 08:17:53 PM
Jeez it's a brutal night - one you wouldn't put a dog out in.
Hope the lads are enjoying NYC as they're well away from this weather and all the gloomy news.
I also hope that the craic is 90, they bond well ( but miss the Burren lads) and  come back with fire in their bellies to make a massive effort next year.
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Post by: thegael on November 11, 2010, 09:32:14 PM
Well i hope they do as next year they will not be underestimated and most certainly will not have the set of circumstances that led to the easiest path to an all-ireland final there has ever been.
So let's hope all realise the task in front of us , whether that be the communication channels for substitutes , not having a plan to take off a starting player no matter what but letting the game itself dictate substitutions, also the ability to change kickouts from the route one option when we are having an off day in the middle sector and thinking about the short kick out!
A lot to learn for the manager with L plates on but hopefully he'll learn more from mc ilvor and tally as the year goes on. A class in tactics etc whilst away may be of great benefit to our team.
The players most certainly deserve the chance to unwind , bond and look back on wonderful memories and hopefully have the hunger to get right back there . If the players are willing to put the time in on the field we really should be expecting management to get tutoring in tactics and the high tempo match day scenarios where the mistakes of 2010 never happen again. Looking back Benny's decision against Donegal (not managements) to go further out the field was the catalyst v Donegal so if the players have work to do off season the management really need an intense course in tactics !!
The players really deserve a great break and we salute them!


                                   the gael takes no prisoners !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 11, 2010, 11:32:49 PM
Gabshite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on November 12, 2010, 12:21:21 AM
That post of The Gaels has just been nominated as the silliest post of the year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on November 12, 2010, 08:11:05 AM
Gael ya tool! You call getting Kerry and kildare an easy path! Also Sligo destroyed Mayo and Galway. So think before you write.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on November 12, 2010, 09:40:45 AM
Perhaps the gael could give lessons in tactics?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 12, 2010, 10:05:34 AM
Quote from: thegael on November 11, 2010, 09:32:14 PM
Well i hope they do as next year they will not be underestimated and most certainly will not have the set of circumstances that led to the easiest path to an all-ireland final there has ever been.
So let's hope all realise the task in front of us , whether that be the communication channels for substitutes , not having a plan to take off a starting player no matter what but letting the game itself dictate substitutions, also the ability to change kickouts from the route one option when we are having an off day in the middle sector and thinking about the short kick out!
A lot to learn for the manager with L plates on but hopefully he'll learn more from mc ilvor and tally as the year goes on. A class in tactics etc whilst away may be of great benefit to our team.
The players most certainly deserve the chance to unwind , bond and look back on wonderful memories and hopefully have the hunger to get right back there . If the players are willing to put the time in on the field we really should be expecting management to get tutoring in tactics and the high tempo match day scenarios where the mistakes of 2010 never happen again. Looking back Benny's decision against Donegal (not managements) to go further out the field was the catalyst v Donegal so if the players have work to do off season the management really need an intense course in tactics !!
The players really deserve a great break and we salute them!


                                   the gael takes no prisoners !


Ok everyone entitled to your opinion on a message board no matter how silly or narrow minded it is but lets clear one burning issue of this up.... Paddy Tally is a team trainer end of story!! What would James learn tactically off this man?? Have you seen St Marys playing?? OK mc ivor is a shrewd boy with a lot of experience and he along with Johnston may add something tactically but Tally is the team trainer.. End of story.. Unfortunately Mr Tally sometimes doesnt realise this though!!

As for the L Plate comment Gael.. Maybe your still a learner eh??  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 12, 2010, 05:41:39 PM
Quote from: thegael on November 11, 2010, 09:32:14 PM
Well i hope they do as next year they will not be underestimated and most certainly will not have the set of circumstances that led to the easiest path to an all-ireland final there has ever been.
So let's hope all realise the task in front of us , whether that be the communication channels for substitutes , not having a plan to take off a starting player no matter what but letting the game itself dictate substitutions, also the ability to change kickouts from the route one option when we are having an off day in the middle sector and thinking about the short kick out!
A lot to learn for the manager with L plates on but hopefully he'll learn more from mc ilvor and tally as the year goes on. A class in tactics etc whilst away may be of great benefit to our team.
The players most certainly deserve the chance to unwind , bond and look back on wonderful memories and hopefully have the hunger to get right back there . If the players are willing to put the time in on the field we really should be expecting management to get tutoring in tactics and the high tempo match day scenarios where the mistakes of 2010 never happen again. Looking back Benny's decision against Donegal (not managements) to go further out the field was the catalyst v Donegal so if the players have work to do off season the management really need an intense course in tactics !!
The players really deserve a great break and we salute them!


                                   the gael takes no prisoners !

You, my friend, are a clown.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 13, 2010, 08:09:59 PM
Best of luck to Burren tomorrow. They are a good all-round team and the only area where they're short is in craft ;Cross have it in spades. The referee will need to be strong but they are good enough towin. Eoin Mc Cartan may have to play through the pain barrier to to get them over the line .
The Division 3 play-off will be interesting. Both Bosco and Bredagh have had good under-age teams in recent years but the potential has not yet been fulfilled at senior level. Bosco were favourites for the JFC final but didn't really turn up - Bredagh started the season like a rocket but lost several games to late scores.One point that has already been referred to is the extra-time between Saul and Bosco. If the play-offs are on a league basis, as I understood they were, that should have been one point each- however the referee played extra time and Saul went down. If it is a draw after 60 minutes tomorrow, Bredagh could claim they have 3 out of 4 points and therefore stay up as Bosco would have 2- however, as ET was played it is death or glory tomorrow and a draw will mean extra-time or a replay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 13, 2010, 08:29:48 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 13, 2010, 08:09:59 PM
Best of luck to Burren tomorrow. They are a good all-round team and the only area where they're short is in craft ;Cross have it in spades. The referee will need to be strong but they are good enough towin. Eoin Mc Cartan may have to play through the pain barrier to to get them over the line .
The Division 3 play-off will be interesting. Both Bosco and Bredagh have had good under-age teams in recent years but the potential has not yet been fulfilled at senior level. Bosco were favourites for the JFC final but didn't really turn up - Bredagh started the season like a rocket but lost several games to late scores.One point that has already been referred to is the extra-time between Saul and Bosco. If the play-offs are on a league basis, as I understood they were, that should have been one point each- however the referee played extra time and Saul went down. If it is a draw after 60 minutes tomorrow, Bredagh could claim they have 3 out of 4 points and therefore stay up as Bosco would have 2- however, as ET was played it is death or glory tomorrow and a draw will mean extra-time or a replay.

It was always going to be extra time, as far as I am aware all the teams involved in the play offs were informed of extra time in the event of a draw, well we were anyway. Lets hope we are still in div 3 when the ref blows the final whistle tomorrow afternoon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on November 13, 2010, 09:06:16 PM
thegael, you used to be cool man.
I dont think you'll ever be happy will you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 14, 2010, 08:55:42 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 13, 2010, 08:29:48 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 13, 2010, 08:09:59 PM
Best of luck to Burren tomorrow. They are a good all-round team and the only area where they're short is in craft ;Cross have it in spades. The referee will need to be strong but they are good enough towin. Eoin Mc Cartan may have to play through the pain barrier to to get them over the line .
The Division 3 play-off will be interesting. Both Bosco and Bredagh have had good under-age teams in recent years but the potential has not yet been fulfilled at senior level. Bosco were favourites for the JFC final but didn't really turn up - Bredagh started the season like a rocket but lost several games to late scores.One point that has already been referred to is the extra-time between Saul and Bosco. If the play-offs are on a league basis, as I understood they were, that should have been one point each- however the referee played extra time and Saul went down. If it is a draw after 60 minutes tomorrow, Bredagh could claim they have 3 out of 4 points and therefore stay up as Bosco would have 2- however, as ET was played it is death or glory tomorrow and a draw will mean extra-time or a replay.

It was always going to be extra time, as far as I am aware all the teams involved in the play offs were informed of extra time in the event of a draw, well we were anyway. Lets hope we are still in div 3 when the ref blows the final whistle tomorrow afternoon

I think Bredagh beat Saul after extra time? It shows how tight Div 3 is. Best of luck to our lads today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on November 14, 2010, 09:10:38 AM
good luck to burren today,if they keep their cool and concentrate on football they might just do it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 14, 2010, 10:38:32 AM
Quote from: 13aside on November 14, 2010, 09:10:38 AM
good luck to burren today,if they keep their cool and concentrate on football they might just do it
would like to wish burren good luck as well. hope they can do down football proud. in eamonn toner at full forward they have a real player, someone who can win his own ball and score with both feet. worth a chance in mckenna cup imo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on November 14, 2010, 12:19:41 PM
Althought I think they will be really up against it against Cross I still would like to see Burren do the business. 
Best of luck to them and Bredagh today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 14, 2010, 02:29:06 PM
Bosco won the Div 3 relegation play-off by 4pts. Something like 4-7 to 1-12. Div 4 football for Bredagh next year.  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on November 14, 2010, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on November 14, 2010, 02:29:06 PM
Bosco won the Div 3 relegation play-off by 4pts. Something like 4-7 to 1-12. Div 4 football for Bredagh next year.  >:(
Division 3 relegation play-off Newry Bosco 4 - 9 Bredagh 1 - 13.  A very exiting game in a very foggy and cold Tullylish. Hard luck to Bredagh.  It wasn't a 5 point game. A late penalty put the distance between the 2 teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 14, 2010, 05:47:56 PM
Yes, the Bredagh Bosco game was all about goals- a fine ,hard sporting encounter between two teams who really should not be in this position but , as the saying goes, league tables don't lie.The first Bosco goal was sored with their first attack, catching Bredagh cold.The second was a controversial 'Pat Donnan' over the line call by the umpire .The third was an excellent solo effort by the Bosco number 9 who took advantage of slack defending, and a blood sub who had not had the chance to warm up, to waltz through Bredagh while the fourth was an injury-time penalty when the City boys were in disarray .Brian Rice, who must have scored 1-6, also bagged an excellent goal to leave Bredagh 2 up going into the last 5 minutes. A pity that someone had to lose this one and cruel on Bredagh.
As for Burren, a disastrous opening 20 minutes, when they needed a good start, was ultimately their undoing.You can't beat the old dog for the hard road and we can only reflect on what a fit Eoin Mc Cartan could have brought Burren ( and Down). You have to admire Cross!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 14, 2010, 08:43:56 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on November 14, 2010, 02:29:06 PM
Bosco won the Div 3 relegation play-off by 4pts. Something like 4-7 to 1-12. Div 4 football for Bredagh next year.  >:(

Gutted, but as I have previously posted, and what Dd has alluded to the tables dont lie. We diddnt get relegated today, its a season long contest and its div 4 next year for us, we will be back, mark my words
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 14, 2010, 10:49:23 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 14, 2010, 08:43:56 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on November 14, 2010, 02:29:06 PM
Bosco won the Div 3 relegation play-off by 4pts. Something like 4-7 to 1-12. Div 4 football for Bredagh next year.  >:(

Gutted, but as I have previously posted, and what Dd has alluded to the tables dont lie. We diddnt get relegated today, its a season long contest and its div 4 next year for us, we will be back, mark my words

Would never have predicted this at the start of year.
Drumaness, Teconnaught, Saul and Bredagh in Division 4 next year with only one getting promoted, be the most competitive 4 in recent memory. I suppose that is the whole point of the restructuring.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 14, 2010, 10:59:16 PM
When Tullylish Shamrocks game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 14, 2010, 11:26:07 PM
Lineups for 2011 Championships

SFC

Burren 
Mayobridge   
Clonduff 
Kilcoo 
Bryansford 
Rostrevor 
An Riocht   
Longstone 
Liatroim 
Castlewellan 
Ballyholland   
Saval   
Downpatrick   
Loughinisland   
Warrenpoint
Tullylish


IFC

Clann na Banna   
Ballymartin   
Annaclone 
Shamrocks   
Kilclief 
Atticall 
Glasdrumman
Drumgath 
Darragh Cross   
Dundrum 
Ardglass   
Glenn 
Carryduff   
St Johns   
Bosco
Drumaness 


JFC

Bredagh
Saul
Teconnaught 
Mitchels 
St Michaels 
St Pauls   
Dromara   
Aughlisnafin 
Bright   
Aghaderg 
Ballykinlar 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on November 15, 2010, 09:15:16 AM
Jeysus lads Division 4 is going to be a minefield next year and only 1 going up i think???

Nearly all the teams have played in Division 3 in the last 5 years or so, going to be like quicksand I would think, this restructuring might just work.

On another note 8 out of the 11 are from east down i.e. derbies galore which will make it even harder
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 15, 2010, 09:29:28 AM
Any word on the div 1 & 3 league finals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on November 15, 2010, 09:30:10 AM
whats going on at Bredagh? with all the supposedly great underage teams theyve had over the years how can they be in division 4 now???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on November 15, 2010, 09:30:57 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 14, 2010, 10:59:16 PM
When Tullylish Shamrocks game?
Sunday
Should be a cracker
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on November 15, 2010, 09:37:08 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 14, 2010, 05:47:56 PM
we can only reflect on what a fit Eoin Mc Cartan could have brought Burren ( and Down).
Have to agree with you on this one. Eoin was one of the most impressive underage footballers in Down. It is really sad to see a young fella like this that is so passionate about his football with bagfuls of talent only able to give 20 minutes in a club game. I reckon he would have been right up there as one of the best forwards in his generation in Down if he was not plagued by injury.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on November 15, 2010, 11:34:30 AM
Any results from the under 20 leagues yesterday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on November 15, 2010, 02:13:02 PM
u20 results

Shamrocks 2-7 C'Wellan 0-12
W'Point 1-11 B'Martin 1-10
St Marys 1-9 An Riocht 3-10
D'Patrick 2-12 L'Stone 1-10
M'Bridge 11-17 St Josephs 0-6

Who the fu*k are St Josephs?? They got tanked
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on November 15, 2010, 02:37:24 PM
They are dundrum and ballykinler joined. Why even bother having a team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down1 on November 15, 2010, 03:59:56 PM
any word on when burren v bridge league final is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on November 15, 2010, 05:00:47 PM
Quote from: down1 on November 15, 2010, 03:59:56 PM
any word on when burren v bridge league final is?
Half 6 on saturday in newry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dromara Gael on November 15, 2010, 06:54:58 PM
Quote from: No hoper on November 15, 2010, 02:37:24 PM
They are dundrum and ballykinler joined. Why even bother having a team
They just want to play football, is that such a crime. Unlike yourselves small clubs dont have either sufficient numbers or talent, so comments like above are unnecessary
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 15, 2010, 07:16:37 PM
The King of Down Football, James McCartan's new book is being launched by Mick O'Dwyer in the Canal Court in Newry next Monday night.

Bound to be a few feathers ruffled in this publication knowing James' reputation for straight talking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 15, 2010, 08:03:13 PM
Quote from: maldini on November 15, 2010, 09:30:10 AM
whats going on at Bredagh? with all the supposedly great underage teams theyve had over the years how can they be in division 4 now???
wish I knew, we have fielded a very young team in comparison with other years and well we just wernt good enough over the season to stay in div 3. we have good underage teams, but that doesnt guarantee that they will cut the mustrad at senior level. Div 4 will be tough to get out of but I hope we will be there are there abouts next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 16, 2010, 02:12:39 PM
Div 3 Final:

Glasdrumman v Drumgath   

Warrenpoint on Sunday at 1pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 16, 2010, 05:06:59 PM
I am really looking forward to the league final on Saturday now... Burren have proved that they can mix in with the big boys and are a team for the future.. We are going to finally put the end to a lot of the Bridges players careers which the rest of the county will enjoy watching.. Forward together  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 16, 2010, 05:23:48 PM
Any takers??

Anybody?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 16, 2010, 05:51:41 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 16, 2010, 05:23:48 PM
Any takers??

Anybody?

Biting my lip and headbutting the screen but no he's right ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 16, 2010, 06:22:26 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 16, 2010, 05:06:59 PM
I am really looking forward to the league final on Saturday now... Burren have proved that they can mix in with the big boys and are a team for the future.. We are going to finally put the end to a lot of the Bridges players careers which the rest of the county will enjoy watching.. Forward together  :)

Forward togather and all blow inns welcome. ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 16, 2010, 06:42:47 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 16, 2010, 06:22:26 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 16, 2010, 05:06:59 PM
I am really looking forward to the league final on Saturday now... Burren have proved that they can mix in with the big boys and are a team for the future.. We are going to finally put the end to a lot of the Bridges players careers which the rest of the county will enjoy watching.. Forward together  :)

Forward togather and all blow inns welcome. ;D

Kilcoo cant have any blow ins as you all marry between yourselves.. :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 16, 2010, 08:16:13 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 16, 2010, 06:42:47 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 16, 2010, 06:22:26 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 16, 2010, 05:06:59 PM
I am really looking forward to the league final on Saturday now... Burren have proved that they can mix in with the big boys and are a team for the future.. We are going to finally put the end to a lot of the Bridges players careers which the rest of the county will enjoy watching.. Forward together  :)

Forward togather and all blow inns welcome. ;D

Kilcoo cant have any blow ins as you all marry between yourselves.. :D :D

At least we know our parish boundaries. Couldn help but notice the AIB club championship advert on the back of sundays programme. "You dont choose your club. Your born into it". Surely dosent apply to Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 16, 2010, 08:16:24 PM
Dear lord  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 16, 2010, 09:48:02 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 16, 2010, 06:42:47 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 16, 2010, 06:22:26 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 16, 2010, 05:06:59 PM
I am really looking forward to the league final on Saturday now... Burren have proved that they can mix in with the big boys and are a team for the future.. We are going to finally put the end to a lot of the Bridges players careers which the rest of the county will enjoy watching.. Forward together  :)

Forward togather and all blow inns welcome. ;D

Kilcoo cant have any blow ins as you all marry between yourselves.. :D :D

A quote from a former Down All Ireland winning player:

"There was always a blow-up, sometimes the ref could calm it down. Sometimes a priest had to go in. But tell you the truth I liked the Kilcoo fellas and I liked playing them. It did something for you. It was like a real life training session. Offaly were like that. Offaly would have chased Kilcoo out of sight. Club football in Offaly must have been desperate. What Kilcoo and these teams were doing was blooding us, so we knew what to expect and not be complaining."


http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/lsquodown-teams-donrsquot-always-win-but-they-always-believe-they-can-winrsquo-2343735.html

Some good reading in the above article.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 16, 2010, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 16, 2010, 09:48:02 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 16, 2010, 06:42:47 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 16, 2010, 06:22:26 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 16, 2010, 05:06:59 PM
I am really looking forward to the league final on Saturday now... Burren have proved that they can mix in with the big boys and are a team for the future.. We are going to finally put the end to a lot of the Bridges players careers which the rest of the county will enjoy watching.. Forward together  :)

Forward togather and all blow inns welcome. ;D

Kilcoo cant have any blow ins as you all marry between yourselves.. :D :D

A quote from a former Down All Ireland winning player:

"There was always a blow-up, sometimes the ref could calm it down. Sometimes a priest had to go in. But tell you the truth I liked the Kilcoo fellas and I liked playing them. It did something for you. It was like a real life training session. Offaly were like that. Offaly would have chased Kilcoo out of sight. Club football in Offaly must have been desperate. What Kilcoo and these teams were doing was blooding us, so we knew what to expect and not be complaining."


http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/lsquodown-teams-donrsquot-always-win-but-they-always-believe-they-can-winrsquo-2343735.html

Some good reading in the above article.

Superb article. Kilcoo have mellowed well from the days of Stephens Green though!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: crossfire on November 16, 2010, 10:58:33 PM
Great article.

I always admired the Down style of football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 16, 2010, 11:18:18 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 16, 2010, 06:22:26 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 16, 2010, 05:06:59 PM
I am really looking forward to the league final on Saturday now... Burren have proved that they can mix in with the big boys and are a team for the future.. We are going to finally put the end to a lot of the Bridges players careers which the rest of the county will enjoy watching.. Forward together  :)

Forward togather and all blow inns welcome. ;D

Funny thing is, they had this attitude for the last few years even though they had won f**k all for a long time! Wouldn't rise to this sort of thing myself. Ps in relation to the phrase in bold...i think most neutrals were rooting for the ford in the county final!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 16, 2010, 11:37:54 PM
Maldini asked; `whats going on at Bredagh? with all the supposedly great underage teams theyve had over the years how can they be in division 4 now?'

No one at Bredagh ever said that they great underage teams and it is less than four years since the club was unable to field for a minor championship match There have been several sides of reasonable promise since then, who were probably in the top three or four in Down at their level, but never managed to get an A grade county title.

There have still been fine achievements, particuarly for a club which has spent more than a decade between division three and four at senior level most of the time, and Bredagh deserve credit for all the work carried out in an area with no real GAA tradition. Some decent young players are trying to make a mark with a senior team in transition, but it will take a while to see if they manage a breakthrough, so Maldini will just have to be patient. 


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 17, 2010, 12:15:05 AM
I cant help it if people want to be associated with Downs famous club. I remember our seconds beating Mayobridge and Kilcoos seniors for many years. We are back were we belong and it feels great.
Clubs such as ourselves, Byransford and Clonduff have the staying power for the top :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 17, 2010, 08:41:48 AM
Gabshite!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 17, 2010, 09:46:44 AM
Good luck to the Abbey tonight up in Omagh in the Rannafast Cup final... Hope the lads can do it..! With the facilities and set-up the school have now, maybe this is the start of an Abbey dynasty!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 17, 2010, 10:28:52 AM
i doubt it....another tanking handed out by the champions across newry there on saturday i see
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on November 17, 2010, 01:59:03 PM
Downjim, twit. Newry my arse!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on November 17, 2010, 02:07:12 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on November 17, 2010, 01:59:03 PM
Downjim, twit. Newry my arse!

was just thinking that, why would a burren man have newry as his club  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 17, 2010, 06:50:06 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on November 17, 2010, 01:59:03 PM
Downjim, twit. Newry my arse!

More like earthworm jim!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 17, 2010, 06:56:44 PM
Its great to know that every other club is envious of us. Success breeds jealously and I hope we can do justice to our fine season by beating our noisy neighbours to lift the double on Saturday.. Move over lads and let the youth through :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 17, 2010, 07:48:38 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 17, 2010, 06:56:44 PM
Its great to know that every other club is envious of us. Success breeds jealously and I hope we can do justice to our fine season by beating our noisy neighbours to lift the double on Saturday.. Move over lads and let the youth through :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXpUdBlRZe8    :D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 17, 2010, 07:55:59 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 17, 2010, 06:56:44 PM
Its great to know that every other club is envious of us. Success breeds jealously and I hope we can do justice to our fine season by beating our noisy neighbours to lift the double on Saturday.. Move over lads and let the youth through :)

Yous have beat the bridge once in 13 years and they where without many of their best players on the day so i dont know what your ranting on about. Previous to that yous beat two division 2 teams in the championship and got the rub of the green in the final with the Tullylish subtitute winning some handy frees for yous to give your Rostrevor captain the chance to lift Frank OHare. Burren got no further than the Ford, Kilcoo or Bridge in last ten years in ulster and apart from under 21 wins, in a competition a few top clubs dont enter from time to time, your youth teams have won nothing since the south Down under 16 chmpionship in 2008 and the south Down under 14 championship previously in 2003, where they went on to be defeated in both county finals. So teams like the bridge, Kilcoo, Ford etc... have nothing to be jelous off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 17, 2010, 08:08:12 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 17, 2010, 07:48:38 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 17, 2010, 06:56:44 PM
Its great to know that every other club is envious of us. Success breeds jealously and I hope we can do justice to our fine season by beating our noisy neighbours to lift the double on Saturday.. Move over lads and let the youth through :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXpUdBlRZe8    :D ;)

Superb  :D

Personal take, From time to time there's a clown (generally pre pubic) that comes onto the site to stir it up a bit. I propose an ignoring policy be put in place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 17, 2010, 08:56:01 PM
Haha true, sad thing is they believe it in clonallen/burren/point road or whatever you call them. This attitude of burren being best club in the world ha been evident pre 2010 championship for a good few years and I think it is this that made so many people want the ford to win the county final against them. They have won very little in relation to the attitude they perceive themselves worthy of.

The team I am jelous of in the county is the bridge! Most of their players have more medals than that clown has posts on the board!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 17, 2010, 09:07:20 PM
Congratulations to Paul McComiskey who was the only Down player selected on the Cadbury's U-21 Best XV 2005-2010 team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on November 17, 2010, 09:20:06 PM
T O'Hare, perfect. :D
MidDownGael, well done, straight talking and right as always, no doubt Downjim from newry will have a great comeback lined up.... :P

On that Cadbury team there, I didnt know such a thing exsisted, but wouldnt James Colgan be included in it? He played for 4 years at under21 level, winning 2 ulster medals and being captain in the latter..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 17, 2010, 09:41:55 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 17, 2010, 09:07:20 PM
Congratulations to Paul McComiskey who was the only Down player selected on the Cadbury's U-21 Best XV 2005-2010 team.

+1. Fully deserved, was Downs most consistent performer in the 2008 and 2009 ulster championship winning sides. Thought Colgan should have got selected too, played well from the 2005 all ireland runner up side right through to 08.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wavesofTORRES on November 17, 2010, 11:29:40 PM
Downjim if you do win on Sat. do the decent thing like the county teams do and get an open top bus to tour the clubs that contribute to the success of our most famous club. That will take you to the Point, Rostrevor Mayobridge Saval and of course Tullylish.( get inside the bus for that wee jaunt may be a tad parky on the top for the whole road). If I missed any please add.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 18, 2010, 01:03:20 AM
Five ulsters and two all-Irelands says it all,coupled with the greatest ever footballer to grace a field in county Down is the reason we are revered all over Ireland.
Oisin is right when he says that when Burren are successful then Down are strong. It is no coincidence than when are noisy neighbours were enjoying their decade in the sun that Down were an embarrassment!
We are the club that has set the standard that every club follows.. Hope to see you all in Shamrocks on Saturday evening ! I will be drinking Dom Perigion  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on November 18, 2010, 01:17:56 AM
Quote from: downjim on November 18, 2010, 01:03:20 AM
Five ulsters and two all-Irelands says it all,coupled with the greatest ever footballer to grace a field in county Down is the reason we are revered all over Ireland.
Oisin is right when he says that when Burren are successful then Down are strong. It is no coincidence than when are noisy neighbours were enjoying their decade in the sun that Down were an embarrassment!
We are the club that has set the standard that every club follows.. Hope to see you all in Shamrocks on Saturday evening ! I will be drinking Dom Perigion  :)
Stats dont support you son. Burren's dominance in Down coincided with one of Down's bleakest periods in last 60 years.. the 1980's.
Also didnt realise that Greg Blaney played for Burren ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on November 18, 2010, 11:20:36 AM
My first thought was, Mickey Linden didnt play for Burren did he?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wavesofTORRES on November 18, 2010, 03:04:53 PM
Dom Perigion   ??? Dont drink what you cant spell. Will you be overage for the U12's next year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on November 18, 2010, 03:24:10 PM
Really looking forward to Tullylish v Shamrocks on Sunday. Hard to believe that Shamrocks are in that position. Also, how would tullylish folk feel about winning championship and possible relegation???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on November 18, 2010, 05:17:39 PM
Quote from: wavesofTORRES on November 18, 2010, 03:04:53 PM
Dom Perigion   ??? Dont drink what you cant spell. Will you be overage for the U12's next year?

Thats not a drink, its a glue. my advice would be not to drink it. sniffing it seems to be working out well so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 18, 2010, 05:47:13 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 18, 2010, 01:03:20 AM
Five ulsters and two all-Irelands says it all,coupled with the greatest ever footballer to grace a field in county Down is the reason we are revered all over Ireland.
Oisin is right when he says that when Burren are successful then Down are strong. It is no coincidence than when are noisy neighbours were enjoying their decade in the sun that Down were an embarrassment!
We are the club that has set the standard that every club follows.. Hope to see you all in Shamrocks on Saturday evening ! I will be drinking Dom Perigion  :)
did paddy doherty play for burren???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down1 on November 18, 2010, 11:12:01 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 16, 2010, 05:06:59 PM
I am really looking forward to the league final on Saturday now... Burren have proved that they can mix in with the big boys and are a team for the future.. We are going to finally put the end to a lot of the Bridges players careers which the rest of the county will enjoy watching.. Forward together  :)

So who are all these bridge players whose careers will be ending sat then?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 19, 2010, 12:24:59 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on November 18, 2010, 03:24:10 PM
Really looking forward to Tullylish v Shamrocks on Sunday. Hard to believe that Shamrocks are in that position. Also, how would tullylish folk feel about winning championship and possible relegation???

Tullylish were relegated two years ago and came straight back up. In Championship, until this year, they had 1 junior success in 1968. That's a lot of footballers with no championship medals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on November 19, 2010, 01:06:54 PM
Quote from: passedit on November 19, 2010, 12:24:59 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on November 18, 2010, 03:24:10 PM
Really looking forward to Tullylish v Shamrocks on Sunday. Hard to believe that Shamrocks are in that position. Also, how would tullylish folk feel about winning championship and possible relegation???

Tullylish were relegated two years ago and came straight back up. In Championship, until this year, they had 1 junior success in 1968. That's a lot of footballers with no championship medals.

didn't realise Tullylish had won a junior, when they won the reserve championhip a few years bac i could have swore they were saying it was their first championship win...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 19, 2010, 01:16:05 PM
Quote from: Banana Man on November 19, 2010, 01:06:54 PM
Quote from: passedit on November 19, 2010, 12:24:59 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on November 18, 2010, 03:24:10 PM
Really looking forward to Tullylish v Shamrocks on Sunday. Hard to believe that Shamrocks are in that position. Also, how would tullylish folk feel about winning championship and possible relegation???

Tullylish were relegated two years ago and came straight back up. In Championship, until this year, they had 1 junior success in 1968. That's a lot of footballers with no championship medals.

didn't realise Tullylish had won a junior, when they won the reserve championhip a few years bac i could have swore they were saying it was their first championship win...

It was a first for any of the boys playing! Laurencetown won a couple of juniors in the forties I think, and Tullylish contested Junior, Intermediate and Senior finals without success since 68, so a fairly bare cupboard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 19, 2010, 01:34:18 PM
Can someone provide an update on the teams promoted and relegated (were applicable) in the 4 divisions?

Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on November 19, 2010, 02:16:50 PM
Down Jim, your making quite a big hole for yourself! Its a pity your not blessed with the best literature! As one of the previous posters had asked, "Who are these Bridge players career's that are coming to an end"?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: townof12 on November 19, 2010, 09:27:47 PM
Guys, i read here quite a lot but rarely post.  While i believe downjim is on a windup (and isnt from burren), i dont think others see it that way.  I dont think anybody would talk their own club up before a final, especially against their neighbours and especially after the disappointment of losing in Ulster.  Burren people are no different, they are a proud club and dont get involved in crap like that, they never have whether successful or otherwise.  Burren will get it very tight tomorrow, it will be much like a beaten county team playing in a qualifier in six days time, and we know how they often pan out!  Therefore i cant see any retirements being forced, might be some in burren though.  On another note, burren come in for quite a bit of stick re transfers, but is there any club in div 1 that hasnt accepted/lost a player(s)?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 20, 2010, 12:28:42 AM
Quote from: townof12 on November 19, 2010, 09:27:47 PM
Guys, i read here quite a lot but rarely post.  While i believe downjim is on a windup (and isnt from burren), i dont think others see it that way.  I dont think anybody would talk their own club up before a final, especially against their neighbours and especially after the disappointment of losing in Ulster.  Burren people are no different, they are a proud club and dont get involved in crap like that, they never have whether successful or otherwise.  Burren will get it very tight tomorrow, it will be much like a beaten county team playing in a qualifier in six days time, and we know how they often pan out!  Therefore i cant see any retirements being forced, might be some in burren though.  On another note, burren come in for quite a bit of stick re transfers, but is there any club in div 1 that hasnt accepted/lost a player(s)?

Bridge and Kilcoo would very much stick to their own, or would I be wrong in that assumption?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 20, 2010, 01:11:07 PM
The following players are invited to attend a Down senior Football
Trial on Monday 22nd November in Pairc Esler at 6.15pm. Club are asked
to notify their players and to ensure that they are in attendance.
Players are asked to confirm their attendance before 5.00pm on Monday
by contacting me on either of the numbers below.

An Riocht - Chris Killen
Annaclone - Gary McArdle, Kevin Anderson
Ardglass - Michael Magee
Atticall - Louis Sloan
Ballyholland - Joe Murphy
Ballymartin - Gavin Joyce
Bredagh - Eoin Costello
Bryansford - Philip Bonny, Luke Howard, Joe Ireland
Burren - Cathal Murdock, Gerard McCartan, Sean Murdock, Eamonn Toner,
Anton McArdle
Carryduff - Declan Alder
Clann na Banna - Malachy Magee
Clonduff - Darren O'Hagan, Jason Brown, Paul McPolin, Arthur McConville
Downpatrick - Peter Telford
Drumgath - Jackie Lynch, Stephen Parsons, Declan Sheerin, Packie Downey
Glasdrumman - Conor Harrison
Glenn - Niall McParland
Kilcoo - Conor Laverty, Paul Devlin
Liatroim - Michéal McCartan
Longstone - Conor Poland
Mayobridge - Shane O'Hare, Ryan Brady, Cathal Magee
Mitchels - Shane Cooney
Rostrevor - Sean Parr
Saval - Rory Digney, Fergal McConville
St John Bosco - Chris Duggan
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty
Tullylish - Gareth Johnson, Niall Donnelly, Shannon Drainey, John McAreavey
Warrenpoint - John Boyle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 20, 2010, 01:52:53 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 20, 2010, 12:28:42 AM
Quote from: townof12 on November 19, 2010, 09:27:47 PM
Guys, i read here quite a lot but rarely post.  While i believe downjim is on a windup (and isnt from burren), i dont think others see it that way.  I dont think anybody would talk their own club up before a final, especially against their neighbours and especially after the disappointment of losing in Ulster.  Burren people are no different, they are a proud club and dont get involved in crap like that, they never have whether successful or otherwise.  Burren will get it very tight tomorrow, it will be much like a beaten county team playing in a qualifier in six days time, and we know how they often pan out!  Therefore i cant see any retirements being forced, might be some in burren though.  On another note, burren come in for quite a bit of stick re transfers, but is there any club in div 1 that hasnt accepted/lost a player(s)?

Bridge and Kilcoo would very much stick to their own, or would I be wrong in that assumption?

Kingdom and Longstone would also stick to their own.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 20, 2010, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 20, 2010, 01:11:07 PM
The following players are invited to attend a Down senior Football
Trial on Monday 22nd November in Pairc Esler at 6.15pm. Club are asked
to notify their players and to ensure that they are in attendance.
Players are asked to confirm their attendance before 5.00pm on Monday
by contacting me on either of the numbers below.

An Riocht - Chris Killen
Annaclone - Gary McArdle, Kevin Anderson
Ardglass - Michael Magee
Atticall - Louis Sloan
Ballyholland - Joe Murphy
Ballymartin - Gavin Joyce
Bredagh - Eoin Costello
Bryansford - Philip Bonny, Luke Howard, Joe Ireland
Burren - Cathal Murdock, Gerard McCartan, Sean Murdock, Eamonn Toner,
Anton McArdle
Carryduff - Declan Alder
Clann na Banna - Malachy Magee
Clonduff - Darren O'Hagan, Jason Brown, Paul McPolin, Arthur McConville
Downpatrick - Peter Telford
Drumgath - Jackie Lynch, Stephen Parsons, Declan Sheerin, Packie Downey
Glasdrumman - Conor Harrison
Glenn - Niall McParland
Kilcoo - Conor Laverty, Paul Devlin
Liatroim - Michéal McCartan
Longstone - Conor Poland
Mayobridge - Shane O'Hare, Ryan Brady, Cathal Magee
Mitchels - Shane Cooney
Rostrevor - Sean Parr
Saval - Rory Digney, Fergal McConville
St John Bosco - Chris Duggan
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty
Tullylish - Gareth Johnson, Niall Donnelly, Shannon Drainey, John McAreavey
Warrenpoint - John Boyle

Jesus some of the above names getting a county trial is hard to understand.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 20, 2010, 01:57:59 PM
Like who?
Cant see many people being added to county squad this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 20, 2010, 02:01:36 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 20, 2010, 01:57:59 PM
Like who?
Cant see many people being added to county squad this year.

I wont name names on a message board but anyone who watchs club football will know there are players listed who would never make county players. The squad last year by and large was not far away and in my view does not require many additions. I also believe under 21 players should be looked at in the under 21 campaign rather than at trials.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 20, 2010, 02:08:31 PM
Id be in favour of any way at all to strengthen the squad.
Some of those names mentioned above have been tried previously but i see nothing wrong with giving them another shot at it. They might turn out to finally come good or contribute something.
After all the likes of Mark Poland & Kallum King had been tried before but came very good this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ceol agus peil on November 20, 2010, 07:17:06 PM
Burran 0.5,mayobridge 0.2,halftime downleague final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on November 20, 2010, 07:52:39 PM
Final Score

Burren 0-9
Mayobridge 1-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 20, 2010, 07:56:24 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 20, 2010, 02:01:36 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 20, 2010, 01:57:59 PM
Like who?
Cant see many people being added to county squad this year.

I wont name names on a message board but anyone who watchs club football will know there are players listed who would never make county players. The squad last year by and large was not far away and in my view does not require many additions. I also believe under 21 players should be looked at in the under 21 campaign rather than at trials.
majority of the players named will never make county players. good club players but not good enough to be an addition to the county team. only 2 or 3 of those named will make the squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 20, 2010, 08:19:17 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on November 20, 2010, 07:52:39 PM
Final Score

Burren 0-9
Mayobridge 1-7

champagne on ice downjim??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on November 20, 2010, 08:21:42 PM
well done to mayobridge nice to end the season on a high 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 20, 2010, 08:22:53 PM
Quote from: TORGAEL on November 20, 2010, 07:52:39 PM
Final Score

Burren 0-9
Mayobridge 1-7
does this put an end to the retirements of the bridge players. life in the old dogs yet downjim???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 20, 2010, 08:32:12 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 20, 2010, 07:56:24 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 20, 2010, 02:01:36 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 20, 2010, 01:57:59 PM
Like who?
Cant see many people being added to county squad this year.

I wont name names on a message board but anyone who watchs club football will know there are players listed who would never make county players. The squad last year by and large was not far away and in my view does not require many additions. I also believe under 21 players should be looked at in the under 21 campaign rather than at trials.
majority of the players named will never make county players. good club players but not good enough to be an addition to the county team. only 2 or 3 of those named will make the squad.

Never is a strong word in this context! Also I can count nine players in that list who were on it all or some of last season so don't know how you only get 2 or 3 from the list.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on November 20, 2010, 08:34:36 PM
downjim as Gerry once said we haven't gone away you know !!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 20, 2010, 08:42:32 PM
Any match reports on the game? 1-8 to 0-4 is some second half score!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 20, 2010, 08:42:57 PM
Mayobridge fully deserved their victory tonight and should have won by more as they kicked 4 very scorable frees wide and had to play against a desperate referee who gave them nothing. It was so biased and only he gave Burren handy frees they would have scored very little. Its ironic he gave the stone nothing against the bridge in the championship, tonight he totally reversed it.
The two Sextons turned the game in the second half with great displays while the Barry's, Brady and the Grants where superb. Cathal Magee showed great character to slot the penalty home and the winning point.
For Burren McKernan was outstanding along with Eamon McGovern. Sean Murdock offered very little from play but hit his frees well.

Bridge: L Coulter, G Barry, S OHare, S Grant, A Barry, B Grant, M Lively, E Woods, D Fegan, C OHare, C Magee 1-3, B Garvey, C Garvey, B Coulter, R Brady 0-1.

N Sexton 0-3 for C OHare and R Sexton for B Garvey.

Burren: C Murdock 0-1 (free), C McGovern, D McCartan, R McGovern, K McKernan 0-2, Chris McGovern, G McCartan, A Higgins, D Rooney, Conal McGovern, J McGovern, E McGovern 0-1, Ryan McGovern, S Murdock 0-4(frees) D OHare 0-1.

E McCartan for Conal McGovern and A McArdle for A Higgins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 20, 2010, 09:58:30 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 20, 2010, 08:32:12 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 20, 2010, 07:56:24 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 20, 2010, 02:01:36 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 20, 2010, 01:57:59 PM
Like who?
Cant see many people being added to county squad this year.

I wont name names on a message board but anyone who watchs club football will know there are players listed who would never make county players. The squad last year by and large was not far away and in my view does not require many additions. I also believe under 21 players should be looked at in the under 21 campaign rather than at trials.
majority of the players named will never make county players. good club players but not good enough to be an addition to the county team. only 2 or 3 of those named will make the squad.

Never is a strong word in this context! Also I can count nine players in that list who were on it all or some of last season so don't know how you only get 2 or 3 from the list.
you must be looking at a different list if you can get 9 players that made any real contribution to the success of down this year. yes there may be some who were squad players but i fail to see any more than 2 or 3 of this list that will get any league playing time never mind championship. the best players in down are already playing in the senior team. 2 or 3 of these will add to the squad but noone stands out as a possible first 15 player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on November 20, 2010, 10:20:15 PM
what the hell happened Burren tonight... they were out of sorts and looked out of their depth against the bridge.. i have never seen a derby so tame in my life - hardly a tough challenge the whole night.  Bridge were poor and even missed 21 yard free kicks.  two sextons coming on were massive for them - eoin mc cartan failed to inspire burren this time... Wonder why Anto Mc Cardle wasnt starting... He is county player apparently - surely these players should be starting club games.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 20, 2010, 11:44:55 PM
Look to be honest I dont know how he was appointed as the referee for the division 1 league final, not even in the top 5 refs in this county.. Always wants to be the main talking point and I suppose achieved that again tonight, incredible some of the decisions he gave against the bridge...

Anyway back to the football more importantly... very poor first half was lifted by a much better 2nd half, considering the bridge have been basically out of football of any note since the championship semi final they were superior to Burren tonight and only some wasteful free taking could have seen them out of sight... I do wonder and I m sure the bridge will too what would have happened had Coulter been fit to play 60mins in the Semi final rather than 6!! I think I know.. But thats football.. Burren got their gift run to a championship final and took it.. Next year I feel will be wide open again with the Bridge, Clonduff, Bryansford and possibly Kilcoo all challenging the Burren men for their title..

Good end to the senior football season tonight..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointlad on November 20, 2010, 11:58:02 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on November 20, 2010, 11:44:55 PM
Look to be honest I dont know how he was appointed as the referee for the division 1 league final, not even in the top 5 refs in this county.. Always wants to be the main talking point and I suppose achieved that again tonight, incredible some of the decisions he gave against the bridge...


Who are the top 5 referees in the county then? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 21, 2010, 12:27:23 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 20, 2010, 09:58:30 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 20, 2010, 08:32:12 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 20, 2010, 07:56:24 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 20, 2010, 02:01:36 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 20, 2010, 01:57:59 PM
Like who?
Cant see many people being added to county squad this year.

I wont name names on a message board but anyone who watchs club football will know there are players listed who would never make county players. The squad last year by and large was not far away and in my view does not require many additions. I also believe under 21 players should be looked at in the under 21 campaign rather than at trials.
majority of the players named will never make county players. good club players but not good enough to be an addition to the county team. only 2 or 3 of those named will make the squad.

Never is a strong word in this context! Also I can count nine players in that list who were on it all or some of last season so don't know how you only get 2 or 3 from the list.
you must be looking at a different list if you can get 9 players that made any real contribution to the success of down this year. yes there may be some who were squad players but i fail to see any more than 2 or 3 of this list that will get any league playing time never mind championship. the best players in down are already playing in the senior team. 2 or 3 of these will add to the squad but noone stands out as a possible first 15 player.

That's not what you said in your first post though that's why I flagged it up. You said 2 or 3 would make the squad - I argued and then you said 2 or 3 would make the league team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 21, 2010, 12:48:31 AM
Quote from: pointlad on November 20, 2010, 11:58:02 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on November 20, 2010, 11:44:55 PM
Look to be honest I dont know how he was appointed as the referee for the division 1 league final, not even in the top 5 refs in this county.. Always wants to be the main talking point and I suppose achieved that again tonight, incredible some of the decisions he gave against the bridge...


Who are the top 5 referees in the county then? ???
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1. Gavin Corrigan
2. Brendan Rice
3. Gabriel Tumelty
4. Con Reynolds
5. Neil Cousins
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 21, 2010, 01:20:57 AM
Quote from: downjim on November 18, 2010, 01:03:20 AM
Five ulsters and two all-Irelands says it all,coupled with the greatest ever footballer to grace a field in county Down is the reason we are revered all over Ireland.
Oisin is right when he says that when Burren are successful then Down are strong. It is no coincidence than when are noisy neighbours were enjoying their decade in the sun that Down were an embarrassment!
We are the club that has set the standard that every club follows.. Hope to see you all in Shamrocks on Saturday evening ! I will be drinking Dom Perigion  :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFe41uvBq2I ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 21, 2010, 04:03:52 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 21, 2010, 01:20:57 AM
Quote from: downjim on November 18, 2010, 01:03:20 AM
Five ulsters and two all-Irelands says it all,coupled with the greatest ever footballer to grace a field in county Down is the reason we are revered all over Ireland.
Oisin is right when he says that when Burren are successful then Down are strong. It is no coincidence than when are noisy neighbours were enjoying their decade in the sun that Down were an embarrassment!
We are the club that has set the standard that every club follows.. Hope to see you all in Shamrocks on Saturday evening ! I will be drinking Dom Perigion  :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFe41uvBq2I ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Legend. fair play. the best team in Down yet bar none.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on November 21, 2010, 08:11:00 AM
looks like some of those 'bridge players arent quite ready to be put out to grass just yet!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on November 21, 2010, 12:02:30 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 20, 2010, 01:11:07 PM
The following players are invited to attend a Down senior Football
Trial on Monday 22nd November in Pairc Esler at 6.15pm. Club are asked
to notify their players and to ensure that they are in attendance.
Players are asked to confirm their attendance before 5.00pm on Monday
by contacting me on either of the numbers below.

An Riocht - Chris Killen
Annaclone - Gary McArdle, Kevin Anderson
Ardglass - Michael Magee
Atticall - Louis Sloan
Ballyholland - Joe Murphy
Ballymartin - Gavin Joyce
Bredagh - Eoin Costello
Bryansford - Philip Bonny, Luke Howard, Joe Ireland
Burren - Cathal Murdock, Gerard McCartan, Sean Murdock, Eamonn Toner,
Anton McArdle
Carryduff - Declan Alder
Clann na Banna - Malachy Magee
Clonduff - Darren O'Hagan, Jason Brown, Paul McPolin, Arthur McConville
Downpatrick - Peter Telford
Drumgath - Jackie Lynch, Stephen Parsons, Declan Sheerin, Packie Downey
Glasdrumman - Conor Harrison
Glenn - Niall McParland
Kilcoo - Conor Laverty, Paul Devlin
Liatroim - Michéal McCartan
Longstone - Conor Poland
Mayobridge - Shane O'Hare, Ryan Brady, Cathal Magee
Mitchels - Shane Cooney
Rostrevor - Sean Parr
Saval - Rory Digney, Fergal McConville
St John Bosco - Chris Duggan
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty
Tullylish - Gareth Johnson, Niall Donnelly, Shannon Drainey (if his attitude and temper was sorted out could maybe make it. Still young only turned 19, John McAreavey
Warrenpoint - John Boyle

The players in bold are the only ones i could see that are in with a shout.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on November 21, 2010, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: banker on November 21, 2010, 12:02:30 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 20, 2010, 01:11:07 PM
The following players are invited to attend a Down senior Football
Trial on Monday 22nd November in Pairc Esler at 6.15pm. Club are asked
to notify their players and to ensure that they are in attendance.
Players are asked to confirm their attendance before 5.00pm on Monday
by contacting me on either of the numbers below.

An Riocht - Chris Killen
Annaclone - Gary McArdle, Kevin Anderson
Ardglass - Michael Magee
Atticall - Louis Sloan
Ballyholland - Joe Murphy
Ballymartin - Gavin Joyce
Bredagh - Eoin Costello
Bryansford - Philip Bonny, Luke Howard, Joe Ireland
Burren - Cathal Murdock, Gerard McCartan, Sean Murdock, Eamonn Toner,
Anton McArdle
Carryduff - Declan Alder
Clann na Banna - Malachy Magee
Clonduff - Darren O'Hagan, Jason Brown, Paul McPolin, Arthur McConville
Downpatrick - Peter Telford
Drumgath - Jackie Lynch, Stephen Parsons, Declan Sheerin, Packie Downey
Glasdrumman - Conor Harrison
Glenn - Niall McParland
Kilcoo - Conor Laverty, Paul Devlin
Liatroim - Michéal McCartan
Longstone - Conor Poland
Mayobridge - Shane O'Hare, Ryan Brady, Cathal Magee
Mitchels - Shane Cooney
Rostrevor - Sean Parr
Saval - Rory Digney, Fergal McConville
St John Bosco - Chris Duggan
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty
Tullylish - Gareth Johnson, Niall Donnelly, Shannon Drainey (if his attitude and temper was sorted out could maybe make it. Still young only turned 19, John McAreavey
Warrenpoint - John Boyle

The players in bold are the only ones i could see that are in with a shout.
ryan brady has to be in with a shout
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on November 21, 2010, 01:36:59 PM
Do people actually rate Kevin Anderson??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 21, 2010, 01:43:53 PM
Shams 1-4 t'lish 0-7
Shams scored pen on stroke of h-t
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 21, 2010, 01:51:48 PM
Div 3 promotion play-off HT Glasdrumman 0-3 Drumgath 0-2 - sounds like a tense one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on November 21, 2010, 02:20:36 PM
Get back in your box Downjim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 21, 2010, 02:38:48 PM
Shams won easy - t'lish brutal 2nd half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 21, 2010, 02:52:22 PM
Drumgath were always going to be favourites to beat Glasdrumman because of the dubious format of the play-offs. Glasdrumman ran away with the division, finishing 11 points ahead of the team in fourth place and had very little to play for in closing months of the season. Drumgath benefited from regular competitive matches in the meantime, culminating in a tough semi final against Darragh Cross just a couple of weeks ago. There is a need to restructure our leagues, but the team which tops a division should really get automatic promotion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hospitalpass on November 21, 2010, 03:13:20 PM
Quote from: banker on November 21, 2010, 12:02:30 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 20, 2010, 01:11:07 PM
The following players are invited to attend a Down senior Football
Trial on Monday 22nd November in Pairc Esler at 6.15pm. Club are asked
to notify their players and to ensure that they are in attendance.
Players are asked to confirm their attendance before 5.00pm on Monday
by contacting me on either of the numbers below.

An Riocht - Chris Killen
Annaclone - Gary McArdle, Kevin Anderson
Ardglass - Michael Magee
Atticall - Louis Sloan
Ballyholland - Joe Murphy
Ballymartin - Gavin Joyce
Bredagh - Eoin Costello
Bryansford - Philip Bonny, Luke Howard, Joe Ireland
Burren - Cathal Murdock, Gerard McCartan, Sean Murdock, Eamonn Toner,
Anton McArdle
Carryduff - Declan Alder
Clann na Banna - Malachy Magee
Clonduff - Darren O'Hagan, Jason Brown, Paul McPolin, Arthur McConville
Downpatrick - Peter Telford
Drumgath - Jackie Lynch, Stephen Parsons, Declan Sheerin, Packie Downey
Glasdrumman - Conor Harrison
Glenn - Niall McParland
Kilcoo - Conor Laverty, Paul Devlin
Liatroim - Michéal McCartan
Longstone - Conor Poland
Mayobridge - Shane O'Hare, Ryan Brady, Cathal Magee
Mitchels - Shane Cooney
Rostrevor - Sean Parr
Saval - Rory Digney, Fergal McConville
St John Bosco - Chris Duggan
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty
Tullylish - Gareth Johnson, Niall Donnelly, Shannon Drainey (if his attitude and temper was sorted out could maybe make it. Still young only turned 19, John McAreavey
Warrenpoint - John Boyle

The players in bold are the only ones i could see that are in with a shout.

Talk about biased!!! ??? ???
Banker you still trying to say your not from Tullylish?? Give it up everyone knows :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on November 21, 2010, 03:27:50 PM
sympathies to mourne rover but remember this is drumgaths  third victory over glassdrummond this year so your league structure excuse is maybe not a valid arguement  UP DDUMGATH
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on November 21, 2010, 04:00:22 PM
Anyone here off Down Jim? ??? ???

Is he left the country?

Its a pity he wouldn't take Ciaran Brannagan with him! I hope that man doesn't get anymore big games next year, absolute joke. As Mid Down Gael said in a previous post, he give the Bridge everything in the Longstone game and then that show last night was a joke, what our players had to do for a free was a disgrace. He definitely has something against Benny, pulled and hauled all night with persistent fouling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 21, 2010, 05:06:24 PM
I have not left the country. It was only the league. Burren are a championship team and were down from last weeks defeat. We dominated for large parts of the game and Benny should get a game at winger for Declan Kidneys side after that dive for the penalty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 21, 2010, 05:42:47 PM
Who is niall donnelly?
Was at tullylish game today - what number did he play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on November 21, 2010, 05:47:03 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 21, 2010, 05:42:47 PM
Who is niall donnelly?
Was at tullylish game today - what number did he play
tullylish number 3 that went off injured.
he partnered mcparland with the minors this year in midfield
won a macrory and hogan with st colmans last year at full back
captain of st colmans team this year.
plauged with injuries though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 21, 2010, 05:48:02 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 21, 2010, 05:42:47 PM
Who is niall donnelly?
Was at tullylish game today - what number did he play

He plays full back for St Colmans McRory team this year and was instrumental in their victory last year. He played midfield for last years minor team !!!

Micheal Lively and Seamus Grant have been our best defenders this season and i am surprised they have not got a trial !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 21, 2010, 05:49:50 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 21, 2010, 05:06:24 PM
I have not left the country. It was only the league. Burren are a championship team and were down from last weeks defeat. We dominated for large parts of the game and Benny should get a game at winger for Declan Kidneys side after that dive for the penalty

Wise up you clown. We could have hammered Burren if we had taken our shooting boots!!! Yesterday was much more than a league title ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 21, 2010, 06:19:32 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 21, 2010, 05:48:02 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 21, 2010, 05:42:47 PM
Who is niall donnelly?
Was at tullylish game today - what number did he play

He plays full back for St Colmans McRory team this year and was instrumental in their victory last year. He played midfield for last years minor team !!!

Micheal Lively and Seamus Grant have been our best defenders this season and i am surprised they have not got a trial !!

Nial Donnelly is too young and not at the standard of a county senior player yet but has great potential for the future.
Seamus Grant is a great defender, really think he is under rated. He never gave Murdock a kick from play last night.

On the trial list there are players who where poor and inconcistent all year at club football while players like Grant and Lively as well as two or 3 from my own club that where consistent and caught the eye throughout the league failed to get a trial.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 21, 2010, 06:47:27 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 21, 2010, 06:19:32 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 21, 2010, 05:48:02 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 21, 2010, 05:42:47 PM
Who is niall donnelly?
Was at tullylish game today - what number did he play

He plays full back for St Colmans McRory team this year and was instrumental in their victory last year. He played midfield for last years minor team !!!

Micheal Lively and Seamus Grant have been our best defenders this season and i am surprised they have not got a trial !!

Nial Donnelly is too young and not at the standard of a county senior player yet but has great potential for the future.
Seamus Grant is a great defender, really think he is under rated. He never gave Murdock a kick from play last night.

On the trial list there are players who where poor and inconcistent all year at club football while players like Grant and Lively as well as two or 3 from my own club that where consistent and caught the eye throughout the league failed to get a trial.

Who from Kilcoo?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 21, 2010, 06:53:51 PM
Glasdrumman were unlucky to lose to Drumgath at a cold Moygannon today. It was a tough, low scoring game, well refereed and it was always going to be a tight affair. Packie Downey missed two sitters in the first half and overall was well marshalled by Art Mc Cartan although his raw strength made the difference in the last ten minutes. Pat Mallon had a fine game for the losers but the three best players on show all have county trials tomorrow night. The Drumgath fullback Parsons had his hands full with the excellent Conaire Harrison but did follow his man out the field to score an inspirational point when it looked like Glasdrumman were going to pull away.I think that was Declan Sheerin at 9 - his fielding was outstanding- that pulled the strings for the winners although, as has been pointed out - last year after their early season Celebrity Bainisteoir exploits Glasdrumman finished well ahead of Shamrocks in Division 2 but the Newry men stayed up ( again).This year the team that wins the league ( and Lucan it's a league , not a championship) doesn't go up - cruel on the team with the smallest catchment area in County Down.

Will be interesting to see if veterans like Mallon, Cormac Murphy and Raymie Clarke can lift themselves for another slog in Division 3. Also, saw that Barry Hynes still playing for Drumgath- I remember he was the first ( and possibly the only ) footballer in Down to copy Robbie Fowler with the plaster on the bridge of his nose to take in more oxygen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 21, 2010, 07:02:10 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 21, 2010, 06:47:27 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 21, 2010, 06:19:32 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 21, 2010, 05:48:02 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 21, 2010, 05:42:47 PM
Who is niall donnelly?
Was at tullylish game today - what number did he play

He plays full back for St Colmans McRory team this year and was instrumental in their victory last year. He played midfield for last years minor team !!!

Micheal Lively and Seamus Grant have been our best defenders this season and i am surprised they have not got a trial !!

Nial Donnelly is too young and not at the standard of a county senior player yet but has great potential for the future.
Seamus Grant is a great defender, really think he is under rated. He never gave Murdock a kick from play last night.

On the trial list there are players who where poor and inconcistent all year at club football while players like Grant and Lively as well as two or 3 from my own club that where consistent and caught the eye throughout the league failed to get a trial.

Who from Kilcoo?

Nial Brannigan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 21, 2010, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 20, 2010, 01:11:07 PM
The following players are invited to attend a Down senior Football
Trial on Monday 22nd November in Pairc Esler at 6.15pm. Club are asked
to notify their players and to ensure that they are in attendance.
Players are asked to confirm their attendance before 5.00pm on Monday
by contacting me on either of the numbers below.

An Riocht - Chris Killen
Annaclone - Gary McArdle, Kevin Anderson
Ardglass - Michael Magee
Atticall - Louis Sloan
Ballyholland - Joe Murphy
Ballymartin - Gavin Joyce
Bredagh - Eoin Costello
Bryansford - Philip Bonny, Luke Howard, Joe Ireland
Burren - Cathal Murdock, Gerard McCartan, Sean Murdock, Eamonn Toner,
Anton McArdle
Carryduff - Declan Alder
Clann na Banna - Malachy Magee
Clonduff - Darren O'Hagan, Jason Brown, Paul McPolin, Arthur McConville
Downpatrick - Peter Telford
Drumgath - Jackie Lynch, Stephen Parsons, Declan Sheerin, Packie Downey
Glasdrumman - Conor Harrison
Glenn - Niall McParland
Kilcoo - Conor Laverty, Paul Devlin
Liatroim - Michéal McCartan
Longstone - Conor Poland
Mayobridge - Shane O'Hare, Ryan Brady, Cathal Magee
Mitchels - Shane Cooney
Rostrevor - Sean Parr
Saval - Rory Digney, Fergal McConville
St John Bosco - Chris Duggan
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty
Tullylish - Gareth Johnson, Niall Donnelly, Shannon Drainey, John McAreavey
Warrenpoint - John Boyle

I believe the players above in bold are the only ones who would be up to the required standard especially considering Down are playing top flight football next year. Some of the younger players need a year or two yet with their clubs and county under 21s imo. Conor Laverty should not have to be trialled also, played in 15 of Downs games from January to September last year including friendlys. Darren OHagan likewise who featured in two championship matchs. What are they going to see in a trial that they have not seen from this duo in matchs and in training this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 21, 2010, 07:21:26 PM
Some posters on here haven't a clue. This is an exercise to keep clubs happy.
There is no way some of these boys are county material; and to highlight that James keep some of last years panel involved so that the real difference in quality can be highlighted.
The young lads can see the gap they have to work to close + the dross mainly for div 3 + 4 get a day out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on November 21, 2010, 07:48:34 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 21, 2010, 05:06:24 PM
I have not left the country. It was only the league. Burren are a championship team and were down from last weeks defeat. We dominated for large parts of the game and Benny should get a game at winger for Declan Kidneys side after that dive for the penalty

Would ye quit. You were shoutin your mouth off before the game, you were shown up. Just take a beating. As T O'Hare said there, your 'that was only the league' comment doesnt wash. And you know it doesnt. It was Burrens chance to really show they are the best team in the county, because although winning the championship, alot of people weren't convinced. The bridge also wanted to show that they are not finished. It was a huge game and was about much more than a trophy. Next year should be great.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on November 21, 2010, 11:34:19 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 21, 2010, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 20, 2010, 01:11:07 PM
The following players are invited to attend a Down senior Football
Trial on Monday 22nd November in Pairc Esler at 6.15pm. Club are asked
to notify their players and to ensure that they are in attendance.
Players are asked to confirm their attendance before 5.00pm on Monday
by contacting me on either of the numbers below.

An Riocht - Chris Killen
Annaclone - Gary McArdle, Kevin Anderson
Ardglass - Michael Magee
Atticall - Louis Sloan
Ballyholland - Joe Murphy
Ballymartin - Gavin Joyce
Bredagh - Eoin Costello
Bryansford - Philip Bonny, Luke Howard, Joe Ireland
Burren - Cathal Murdock, Gerard McCartan, Sean Murdock, Eamonn Toner,
Anton McArdle
Carryduff - Declan Alder
Clann na Banna - Malachy Magee
Clonduff - Darren O'Hagan, Jason Brown, Paul McPolin, Arthur McConville
Downpatrick - Peter Telford
Drumgath - Jackie Lynch, Stephen Parsons, Declan Sheerin, Packie Downey
Glasdrumman - Conor Harrison
Glenn - Niall McParland
Kilcoo - Conor Laverty, Paul Devlin
Liatroim - Michéal McCartan
Longstone - Conor Poland
Mayobridge - Shane O'Hare, Ryan Brady, Cathal Magee
Mitchels - Shane Cooney
Rostrevor - Sean Parr
Saval - Rory Digney, Fergal McConville
St John Bosco - Chris Duggan
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty
Tullylish - Gareth Johnson, Niall Donnelly, Shannon Drainey, John McAreavey
Warrenpoint - John Boyle

I believe the players above in bold are the only ones who would be up to the required standard especially considering Down are playing top flight football next year. Some of the younger players need a year or two yet with their clubs and county under 21s imo. Conor Laverty should not have to be trialled also, played in 15 of Downs games from January to September last year including friendlys. Darren OHagan likewise who featured in two championship matchs. What are they going to see in a trial that they have not seen from this duo in matchs and in training this year.

Mid Down Geal would you not also add Like Howard to that list

I think this is a good idear, we have to keep the competition up in the squad, and i think some of these players are definitely worth a look at
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 22, 2010, 10:43:57 AM
Quote from: Highlander3 on November 21, 2010, 11:34:19 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 21, 2010, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 20, 2010, 01:11:07 PM
The following players are invited to attend a Down senior Football
Trial on Monday 22nd November in Pairc Esler at 6.15pm. Club are asked
to notify their players and to ensure that they are in attendance.
Players are asked to confirm their attendance before 5.00pm on Monday
by contacting me on either of the numbers below.

An Riocht - Chris Killen
Annaclone - Gary McArdle, Kevin Anderson
Ardglass - Michael Magee
Atticall - Louis Sloan
Ballyholland - Joe Murphy
Ballymartin - Gavin Joyce
Bredagh - Eoin Costello
Bryansford - Philip Bonny, Luke Howard, Joe Ireland
Burren - Cathal Murdock, Gerard McCartan, Sean Murdock, Eamonn Toner,
Anton McArdle
Carryduff - Declan Alder
Clann na Banna - Malachy Magee
Clonduff - Darren O'Hagan, Jason Brown, Paul McPolin, Arthur McConville
Downpatrick - Peter Telford
Drumgath - Jackie Lynch, Stephen Parsons, Declan Sheerin, Packie Downey
Glasdrumman - Conor Harrison
Glenn - Niall McParland
Kilcoo - Conor Laverty, Paul Devlin
Liatroim - Michéal McCartan
Longstone - Conor Poland
Mayobridge - Shane O'Hare, Ryan Brady, Cathal Magee
Mitchels - Shane Cooney
Rostrevor - Sean Parr
Saval - Rory Digney, Fergal McConville
St John Bosco - Chris Duggan
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty
Tullylish - Gareth Johnson, Niall Donnelly, Shannon Drainey, John McAreavey
Warrenpoint - John Boyle

I believe the players above in bold are the only ones who would be up to the required standard especially considering Down are playing top flight football next year. Some of the younger players need a year or two yet with their clubs and county under 21s imo. Conor Laverty should not have to be trialled also, played in 15 of Downs games from January to September last year including friendlys. Darren OHagan likewise who featured in two championship matchs. What are they going to see in a trial that they have not seen from this duo in matchs and in training this year.

Mid Down Geal would you not also add Like Howard to that list

I think this is a good idear, we have to keep the competition up in the squad, and i think some of these players are definitely worth a look at

In all the games i watched in Div 3 and Intermediate Championship this year, i never seen too many footballers capable of playing for Down probably bar Paul McC. Fair enough they need to be given a chance as someone special may be uncovered but majority of those boys just wouldnt cut the mustard.

If i was able to pick one player to throw into the mix it would be Declan SHerrin. I have seen no one compete with him in the games i have watched. Unfortunately because he is playing Div 3 we dont know how he could compete with the likes of Ambrose etc but i would go to the trials just to see if he could be useful. Probably age gets in his way.

They should have a couple of games between these boys and pick there best 18 and then play Downs strongest. Maybe 5 will be worth taking on board I would think but as another poster has said this is just an exercise to keep a few boys happy. Were these players nominated by their clubs or did James ask for them. I have seen a couple of players from Darragh Cross put in big performances this year and i am suprised they are not in the same league as Lynch, Harrison, Cooney, Dougan.

I still think the DOwn squad need another few members.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 22, 2010, 07:27:50 PM
Just like to wish Bredagh club man Paul Blaney good luck as he runs for Chair of East Down tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on November 22, 2010, 08:46:58 PM
The club held their juvenile presentation night on Saturday night past, and Brendan McVeigh was in attendance.
Just wanted to say what a great ambassador for Down Football - nothing was a hassle, his speech was great and
had time for anyone who wanted to talk to him, all in a relaxed manner. Absolute Gentleman.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on November 22, 2010, 09:49:26 PM
The following players are invited to attend a Down senior Football
Trial on Monday 22nd November in Pairc Esler at 6.15pm. Club are asked
to notify their players and to ensure that they are in attendance.
Players are asked to confirm their attendance before 5.00pm on Monday
by contacting me on either of the numbers below.

An Riocht - Chris Killen
Annaclone - Gary McArdle, Kevin Anderson
Ardglass - Michael Magee
Atticall - Louis Sloan
Ballyholland - Joe Murphy
Ballymartin - Gavin Joyce
Bredagh - Eoin Costello
Bryansford - Philip Bonny, Luke Howard, Joe Ireland
Burren - Cathal Murdock, Gerard McCartan, Sean Murdock, Eamonn Toner,
Anton McArdle
Carryduff - Declan Alder
Clann na Banna - Malachy Magee
Clonduff - Darren O'Hagan, Jason Brown, Paul McPolin, Arthur McConville
Downpatrick - Peter Telford
Drumgath - Jackie Lynch, Stephen Parsons, Declan Sheerin, Packie Downey
Glasdrumman - Conor Harrison
Glenn - Niall McParland
Kilcoo - Conor Laverty, Paul Devlin
Liatroim - Michéal McCartan
Longstone - Conor Poland
Mayobridge - Shane O'Hare, Ryan Brady, Cathal Magee
Mitchels - Shane Cooney
Rostrevor - Sean Parr
Saval - Rory Digney, Fergal McConville
St John Bosco - Chris Duggan
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty
Tullylish - Gareth Johnson, Niall Donnelly, Shannon Drainey, John McAreavey
Warrenpoint - John Boyle

players in bold are only players that could bring a bit of strength to the Down setup at this present time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on November 22, 2010, 10:11:48 PM
Quote from: westdowngael on November 22, 2010, 09:49:26 PM
The following players are invited to attend a Down senior Football
Trial on Monday 22nd November in Pairc Esler at 6.15pm. Club are asked
to notify their players and to ensure that they are in attendance.
Players are asked to confirm their attendance before 5.00pm on Monday
by contacting me on either of the numbers below.

An Riocht - Chris Killen
Annaclone - Gary McArdle, Kevin Anderson
Ardglass - Michael Magee
Atticall - Louis Sloan
Ballyholland - Joe Murphy
Ballymartin - Gavin Joyce
Bredagh - Eoin Costello
Bryansford - Philip Bonny, Luke Howard, Joe Ireland
Burren - Cathal Murdock, Gerard McCartan, Sean Murdock, Eamonn Toner,
Anton McArdle
Carryduff - Declan Alder
Clann na Banna - Malachy Magee
Clonduff - Darren O'Hagan, Jason Brown, Paul McPolin, Arthur McConville
Downpatrick - Peter Telford
Drumgath - Jackie Lynch, Stephen Parsons, Declan Sheerin, Packie Downey
Glasdrumman - Conor Harrison
Glenn - Niall McParland
Kilcoo - Conor Laverty, Paul Devlin
Liatroim - Michéal McCartan
Longstone - Conor Poland
Mayobridge - Shane O'Hare, Ryan Brady, Cathal Magee
Mitchels - Shane Cooney
Rostrevor - Sean Parr
Saval - Rory Digney, Fergal McConville
St John Bosco - Chris Duggan
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty
Tullylish - Gareth Johnson, Niall Donnelly, Shannon Drainey, John McAreavey
Warrenpoint - John Boyle

players in bold are only players that could bring a bit of strength to the Down setup at this present time.

heard ryan brady sean murdock and kevin anderson were impresive at tonights trial
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Chief on November 23, 2010, 08:59:35 AM
Quote from: When We Win on November 22, 2010, 10:43:57 AM
Quote from: Highlander3 on November 21, 2010, 11:34:19 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 21, 2010, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 20, 2010, 01:11:07 PM
The following players are invited to attend a Down senior Football
Trial on Monday 22nd November in Pairc Esler at 6.15pm. Club are asked
to notify their players and to ensure that they are in attendance.
Players are asked to confirm their attendance before 5.00pm on Monday
by contacting me on either of the numbers below.

An Riocht - Chris Killen
Annaclone - Gary McArdle, Kevin Anderson
Ardglass - Michael Magee
Atticall - Louis Sloan
Ballyholland - Joe Murphy
Ballymartin - Gavin Joyce
Bredagh - Eoin Costello
Bryansford - Philip Bonny, Luke Howard, Joe Ireland
Burren - Cathal Murdock, Gerard McCartan, Sean Murdock, Eamonn Toner,
Anton McArdle
Carryduff - Declan Alder
Clann na Banna - Malachy Magee
Clonduff - Darren O'Hagan, Jason Brown, Paul McPolin, Arthur McConville
Downpatrick - Peter Telford
Drumgath - Jackie Lynch, Stephen Parsons, Declan Sheerin, Packie Downey
Glasdrumman - Conor Harrison
Glenn - Niall McParland
Kilcoo - Conor Laverty, Paul Devlin
Liatroim - Michéal McCartan
Longstone - Conor Poland
Mayobridge - Shane O'Hare, Ryan Brady, Cathal Magee
Mitchels - Shane Cooney
Rostrevor - Sean Parr
Saval - Rory Digney, Fergal McConville
St John Bosco - Chris Duggan
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty
Tullylish - Gareth Johnson, Niall Donnelly, Shannon Drainey, John McAreavey
Warrenpoint - John Boyle

I believe the players above in bold are the only ones who would be up to the required standard especially considering Down are playing top flight football next year. Some of the younger players need a year or two yet with their clubs and county under 21s imo. Conor Laverty should not have to be trialled also, played in 15 of Downs games from January to September last year including friendlys. Darren OHagan likewise who featured in two championship matchs. What are they going to see in a trial that they have not seen from this duo in matchs and in training this year.

Mid Down Geal would you not also add Like Howard to that list

I think this is a good idear, we have to keep the competition up in the squad, and i think some of these players are definitely worth a look at

In all the games i watched in Div 3 and Intermediate Championship this year, i never seen too many footballers capable of playing for Down probably bar Paul McC. Fair enough they need to be given a chance as someone special may be uncovered but majority of those boys just wouldnt cut the mustard.

If i was able to pick one player to throw into the mix it would be Declan SHerrin. I have seen no one compete with him in the games i have watched. Unfortunately because he is playing Div 3 we dont know how he could compete with the likes of Ambrose etc but i would go to the trials just to see if he could be useful. Probably age gets in his way.

They should have a couple of games between these boys and pick there best 18 and then play Downs strongest. Maybe 5 will be worth taking on board I would think but as another poster has said this is just an exercise to keep a few boys happy. Were these players nominated by their clubs or did James ask for them. I have seen a couple of players from Darragh Cross put in big performances this year and i am suprised they are not in the same league as Lynch, Harrison, Cooney, Dougan.

I still think the DOwn squad need another few members.

each club's manager nominated players to go to the trials

ive watched a lot of those players who were trialled in action in league games this year and not many of them are good enough for the step up to county football - 4 at the most! - and 'when we win' - i watched Darragh Cross in the championship in Castlewellan recently and sorry to say none of your team is good enough either
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 23, 2010, 11:42:05 AM
name the 4 if you will
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: smokeyjoe on November 23, 2010, 12:16:08 PM
I cant believe, that no one seems to think, chris killen is good enough for Inter county, admittedly I have only seen him play on a small number of occassions, but anytime ive seen him play for the club, he has really stood out!! Especially when marty plays!! I think he is definately worth a go in the McKenna cup!!

Also not many have included Luke Howard as a possible selection, I dont really understand this, as I think Corner back is still an area that down need competition for places!!

Any Thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 23, 2010, 12:43:00 PM
i think you went to the Louis and are from the Mourne Region
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: smokeyjoe on November 23, 2010, 12:55:04 PM
I think your wrong! I went to the abbey and im from newry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on November 23, 2010, 02:19:40 PM
Chief - On Darragh Cross, ur right on that day no-one would have looked good enough,but if thats only time you seen them then its bit of sweepin statement.

I think any decent players require 3 or 4 viewings from county management.They should be travelling round watching teams in all Divisions a couple of times, or sending people to watch.
Does the managment know every player in Down?I dont think they do, not bein critical though cos they are doin a great job!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Chief on November 23, 2010, 02:27:34 PM
Chris Killen, Luke Howard, Darren O'Hagan and John McAreavey would be my 4, although there were a couple of teams that i didn't get to watch this year and Burren were one of them so i can't comment on any of their players.

Laverty, Alder and Jason Brown could be on the fringes of the Down Panel, with a few run outs in the league but i wouldn't start any of them in the heat of championship battle.
In truth there aren't many places up for grabs as i think its a pretty strong county squad with plenty of competition for places.

Apres Match, i saw Darragh Cross play a couple of times this year - in castewellan against the Clone, and in Glassdrumman, and 3 times last season as well. Maybe i caught you on a bad day but the day in question in Castewellan most of your team were better boxers than footballers!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 23, 2010, 02:51:32 PM
Some crowd at James' book launch last night......I think it took them all by surprise. It had to be shifted from the Clanrye to the Miller Suite and then they ran out of books. A lot of legends in attendance although no sign of Seán O'Neill.... ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on November 23, 2010, 03:28:57 PM
to dubh driocht; drumgath beat glasdrummon away and at home in the league and again in the league final .i never mentioned the championship :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 23, 2010, 04:01:27 PM
Lucan, the point was that division three was indeed a league rather than a championship, and the team which finished top of the table at the end of the season, regardless of any individual results, deserved to be rewarded.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 04:42:55 PM
My tuppence on trials etc.

It isn't difficult for James and co to find out who the players are with even a sniff of county possibilities - no matter what club they play for, what division they play in, or what age they are.

Between talking to their clubmates, mates from other clubs, reading the papers, meeting spectators, meeting club managers, it really isn't difficult to work out who is a cut above. And that's before they ask their own players. If Benny Coulter is kept scoreless in a club game, James will want to know why. If Benny got skinned, his teammates won't be long ripping him out. That's enough to fan any manager's curiosities. If Dundrum get whopped by Bredagh and their number 13 scored 11 points, Paul McComiskey will be talking about him, and James will be listening. If some fella from the 'Finn is banging in 2 or 3 goals every week, players will be wondering when he'll be moving to Castlewellan. That's when ears pick up.

Football people talk football endlessly, and these men are surrounded by football people.


But trials are needed. Partly it's a PR exercise, to assuage some of the comments from clubs that "our midfielder is the best player in the league and should get a shot at it", even when it's obvious to everyone else that he's not. Partly it's to try out players in positions they might be required in for Down. Partly it's the first steps to see how committed and focused players are, by seeing how their onfield energy reacts to being dragged halfway across the county and dropped into a team where they know nobody, and with very little at stake. Partly it's just to tick off the key boxes for athleticism and strength, for even at trial standard the pace will find out any number of players, who have no need then to progress.

And don't forget a trial needs at least 30 players for it to work. Once you take out the 20 or so players who are already on the squad, you realistically have no choice but to pad out the trial system with a group of players who everyone, including themselves, know just won't make it. But it does no harm, and if anything is a good experience for those players.

Re the list above, there's at least a dozen names on it who have been there before and made no impact. But in truth they're all probably within the 30 "next best" in the county and although trite, it would be wrong not to include them.

Then there's a handful of purely political inclusions.

Then there's a handful fellas who probably only have to turn up and prove they're interested to get an invite on the panel.

I can't work out why Niall Donnelly and Niall McParland are included. They're fine prospects - Donnelly looks like a hell of a talent, but they're still at school. The last time we went down this route was with Mickey Walsh, which should be warning enough that it's too much, too soon.

The ones who interest me are the younger players who might be springers, and they're all defenders. Joe Murphy from our club is a fine talent but he's still growing and I'd think it's a bit early for him. Gareth Johnston of Tullylish isn't a gifted player, but he is athletic, determined and smart - which was good enough to get Daniel McCartan to an All-Ireland final. Darren O'Hagan looks like a tough cookie too, while Conor Poland is already a county athlete in terms of running ability.

 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 23, 2010, 04:43:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 23, 2010, 04:01:27 PM
Lucan, the point was that division three was indeed a league rather than a championship, and the team which finished top of the table at the end of the season, regardless of any individual results pile deserved to be rewarded.

They were rewarded.... They got straight into the final did they not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 23, 2010, 05:32:40 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 22, 2010, 07:27:50 PM
Just like to wish Bredagh club man Paul Blaney good luck as he runs for Chair of East Down tonight.

like to congratulate Paul Blaney on his appointment to Chair of East Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on November 23, 2010, 05:45:11 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 23, 2010, 05:32:40 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 22, 2010, 07:27:50 PM
Just like to wish Bredagh club man Paul Blaney good luck as he runs for Chair of East Down tonight.

like to congratulate Paul Blaney on his appointment to Chair of East Down.

Nice one. congrats to paul. if he does half the job he did for us east down is in safe hands.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 23, 2010, 06:10:53 PM
Knockitdown, Glasdrumman did get through to the final, but then had to go through several weeks of meaningless matches and virtual inactivity. Drumgath had a series of tough games instead, including the semi final, which left them well placed to win the decider. Topping the league turned out to be of no benefit to Glasdrumman, so it all looks very like a flawed structure. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
I'm not so sure Mourne Rover.

Finishing top of the league might prove you're better than Division III standard. But it's on winning the play-offs - when the best teams in your division have full squads and are chomping at the bit - that means you're reading for Division II.


Too many people in Down football place too much of an emphasis on league placings.

I would reconfigure the end of season play-offs a little so that the team which finished higher is always at home (regardless of whether it's roun-robin, semi, or final). This would be a suitable reward for a consistent season and might push teams a bit harder during the end of league dead rubbers.

But being good at beating Division III standard teams does not a Division II team make.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on November 23, 2010, 07:34:43 PM
If some fella from the 'Finn is banging in 2 or 3 goals every week, players will be wondering when he'll be moving to Castlewellan.

If some young fella from the Finn is banging in 2 or 3 goals every week, I would be wondering when he moved from Castlewellan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on November 23, 2010, 08:44:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 04:42:55 PM

I can't work out why Niall Donnelly and Niall McParland are included. They're fine prospects - Donnelly looks like a hell of a talent, but they're still at school. The last time we went down this route was with Mickey Walsh, which should be warning enough that it's too much, too soon.
 

We went down that route with Dan too and, apart from his break this year and losing a bit of form after it, he turned out OK.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on November 23, 2010, 09:12:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
I'm not so sure Mourne Rover.
Finishing top of the league might prove you're better than Division III standard. But it's on winning the play-offs - when the best teams in your division have full squads and are chomping at the bit - that means you're reading for Division II.
You have just contradicted yourself - if finishing top of the league makes you better than Division III standard, what does it make you?
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
Too many people in Down football place too much of an emphasis on league placings. .
Hardly. This team finished first. A place in the playoff final is a less than paltry reward for a team that has shown the effort, dedication and consistency to finish top.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
I would reconfigure the end of season play-offs a little so that the team which finished higher is always at home (regardless of whether it's roun-robin, semi, or final). This would be a suitable reward for a consistent season and might push teams a bit harder during the end of league dead rubbers.
But being good at beating Division III standard teams does not a Division II team make.
I'm not against play-offs, but the team finishing top should automatically go up. Not only rewarding the most consistent team in the league, it will also mean that another team will have the chance to compete for promotion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: drgeorge on November 23, 2010, 10:14:21 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on November 23, 2010, 11:43:29 PM
mourne rover Chill out and take it up with the county board YOU;RE NOT FROM GLASDRUMMON ARE YOU? ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 24, 2010, 11:02:03 AM
A few years ago, its was decided to have a 10 teams in 1st and 2nd div. this will take about 3 years to completed..
The team thats finished on top automatic goes up. plus winner of 2nd and 3rd places.
For league title. The first place play the winner of 2nd and 3rd


this arrangement came too late for Glasdrumman as only one team goes up this year in div 3.

Mourne Rover is one of trustworthy poster on this gaaboard and his posts always enjoyable to read.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Chief on November 24, 2010, 11:02:23 AM
can anyone provide me with a quick summary of how the re-structuring of the 4 divisions in down is going

how many will be in each league in 2011
how many will be promoted and relegated from each league in 2011

??

thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on November 24, 2010, 05:29:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 04:42:55 PM
My tuppence on trials etc.

It isn't difficult for James and co to find out who the players are with even a sniff of county possibilities - no matter what club they play for, what division they play in, or what age they are.

Between talking to their clubmates, mates from other clubs, reading the papers, meeting spectators, meeting club managers, it really isn't difficult to work out who is a cut above. And that's before they ask their own players. If Benny Coulter is kept scoreless in a club game, James will want to know why. If Benny got skinned, his teammates won't be long ripping him out. That's enough to fan any manager's curiosities. If Dundrum get whopped by Bredagh and their number 13 scored 11 points, Paul McComiskey will be talking about him, and James will be listening. If some fella from the 'Finn is banging in 2 or 3 goals every week, players will be wondering when he'll be moving to Castlewellan. That's when ears pick up.

Football people talk football endlessly, and these men are surrounded by football people.


But trials are needed. Partly it's a PR exercise, to assuage some of the comments from clubs that "our midfielder is the best player in the league and should get a shot at it", even when it's obvious to everyone else that he's not. Partly it's to try out players in positions they might be required in for Down. Partly it's the first steps to see how committed and focused players are, by seeing how their onfield energy reacts to being dragged halfway across the county and dropped into a team where they know nobody, and with very little at stake. Partly it's just to tick off the key boxes for athleticism and strength, for even at trial standard the pace will find out any number of players, who have no need then to progress.

And don't forget a trial needs at least 30 players for it to work. Once you take out the 20 or so players who are already on the squad, you realistically have no choice but to pad out the trial system with a group of players who everyone, including themselves, know just won't make it. But it does no harm, and if anything is a good experience for those players.

Re the list above, there's at least a dozen names on it who have been there before and made no impact. But in truth they're all probably within the 30 "next best" in the county and although trite, it would be wrong not to include them.

Then there's a handful of purely political inclusions.

Then there's a handful fellas who probably only have to turn up and prove they're interested to get an invite on the panel.

I can't work out why Niall Donnelly and Niall McParland are included. They're fine prospects - Donnelly looks like a hell of a talent, but they're still at school. The last time we went down this route was with Mickey Walsh, which should be warning enough that it's too much, too soon.

The ones who interest me are the younger players who might be springers, and they're all defenders. Joe Murphy from our club is a fine talent but he's still growing and I'd think it's a bit early for him. Gareth Johnston of Tullylish isn't a gifted player, but he is athletic, determined and smart - which was good enough to get Daniel McCartan to an All-Ireland final. Darren O'Hagan looks like a tough cookie too, while Conor Poland is already a county athlete in terms of running ability.



johnson is a gifted player and very smart on the ball. although i think he will need to work a bit on his physique. James will probably have boys like donnelly and mc parland in the panel just like paul devlin last year just to develop them into county footballers. Two great prospects for the future
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 24, 2010, 07:20:44 PM
who would be favourites for the under 20's?????????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 24, 2010, 07:22:39 PM
I'd say the Bridge or Point  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 24, 2010, 07:46:04 PM
Quote from: banker on November 24, 2010, 05:29:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 04:42:55 PM
My tuppence on trials etc.

It isn't difficult for James and co to find out who the players are with even a sniff of county possibilities - no matter what club they play for, what division they play in, or what age they are.

Between talking to their clubmates, mates from other clubs, reading the papers, meeting spectators, meeting club managers, it really isn't difficult to work out who is a cut above. And that's before they ask their own players. If Benny Coulter is kept scoreless in a club game, James will want to know why. If Benny got skinned, his teammates won't be long ripping him out. That's enough to fan any manager's curiosities. If Dundrum get whopped by Bredagh and their number 13 scored 11 points, Paul McComiskey will be talking about him, and James will be listening. If some fella from the 'Finn is banging in 2 or 3 goals every week, players will be wondering when he'll be moving to Castlewellan. That's when ears pick up.

Football people talk football endlessly, and these men are surrounded by football people.


But trials are needed. Partly it's a PR exercise, to assuage some of the comments from clubs that "our midfielder is the best player in the league and should get a shot at it", even when it's obvious to everyone else that he's not. Partly it's to try out players in positions they might be required in for Down. Partly it's the first steps to see how committed and focused players are, by seeing how their onfield energy reacts to being dragged halfway across the county and dropped into a team where they know nobody, and with very little at stake. Partly it's just to tick off the key boxes for athleticism and strength, for even at trial standard the pace will find out any number of players, who have no need then to progress.

And don't forget a trial needs at least 30 players for it to work. Once you take out the 20 or so players who are already on the squad, you realistically have no choice but to pad out the trial system with a group of players who everyone, including themselves, know just won't make it. But it does no harm, and if anything is a good experience for those players.

Re the list above, there's at least a dozen names on it who have been there before and made no impact. But in truth they're all probably within the 30 "next best" in the county and although trite, it would be wrong not to include them.

Then there's a handful of purely political inclusions.

Then there's a handful fellas who probably only have to turn up and prove they're interested to get an invite on the panel.

I can't work out why Niall Donnelly and Niall McParland are included. They're fine prospects - Donnelly looks like a hell of a talent, but they're still at school. The last time we went down this route was with Mickey Walsh, which should be warning enough that it's too much, too soon.

The ones who interest me are the younger players who might be springers, and they're all defenders. Joe Murphy from our club is a fine talent but he's still growing and I'd think it's a bit early for him. Gareth Johnston of Tullylish isn't a gifted player, but he is athletic, determined and smart - which was good enough to get Daniel McCartan to an All-Ireland final. Darren O'Hagan looks like a tough cookie too, while Conor Poland is already a county athlete in terms of running ability.



johnson is a gifted player and very smart on the ball. although i think he will need to work a bit on his physique. James will probably have boys like donnelly and mc parland in the panel just like paul devlin last year just to develop them into county footballers. Two great prospects for the future

That would be pointless, they are as well playing club football and developing their games. Id be surprised if either will be on county under 21s never mind seniors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wavesofTORRES on November 24, 2010, 07:53:57 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 24, 2010, 07:20:44 PM
who would be favourites for the under 20's?????????


FFS are still here?



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on November 24, 2010, 08:01:38 PM
Banker Johnson is neither gifted or smart on the ball. I agree with Wobbler - he looks to have the physical tools ie tall + rangy.
If he adds some bulk he will be one to look at. I would say he has a chance longer term as a full back.

Saw him 2 yrs ago as a cub give Rony Murtagh all he wanted in a club champ'ship game when Tullylish were a div3 side.
I saw him last Sunday get taken off in a releg playoff game + thought he was brutal.
Altho he may have been injured (didn't look it tho)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 24, 2010, 08:33:51 PM
Quote from: wavesofTORRES on November 24, 2010, 07:53:57 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 24, 2010, 07:20:44 PM
who would be favourites for the under 20's?????????


FFS are still here?

Since when did you become a Mod you A%%%hole!!!
Are you not watching Liverpool??
Anyway i heard Clonduff are useful while Burren still have a fair amount of last years ULSTER winning side ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on November 24, 2010, 09:10:31 PM
Feck, hes still here. How was your dom perignon? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wavesofTORRES on November 24, 2010, 09:32:52 PM
Yep im afraid so,Clownjim is still here!!!!  Couple of points- Liverpool decided to give the Champs. lg a miss this season and after last sat. nite one would have thought  you'd learn to engage your brain before your keyboard . a decent club like Burren wouldnt have you collecting jam jars around the pitch  so imagine the embarrassment their members must feel at having to read some of the  juvenile drivel you come out with. Speak for your own club-Newry (Shamrocks, Mitchels, Bosco, whoever).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 24, 2010, 11:19:09 PM
These trials are being held to appease the lower league clubs who normally complain every year that their star player doesn't get a chance with the county team.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on November 25, 2010, 12:10:45 AM
Clownjim, nice, that'l stick! Downfannatic, spot on, no doubt there will be rants during next year all the same anyway!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on November 25, 2010, 09:35:52 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on November 24, 2010, 08:01:38 PM
Banker Johnson is neither gifted or smart on the ball. I agree with Wobbler - he looks to have the physical tools ie tall + rangy.
If he adds some bulk he will be one to look at. I would say he has a chance longer term as a full back.

Saw him 2 yrs ago as a cub give Rony Murtagh all he wanted in a club champ'ship game when Tullylish were a div3 side.
I saw him last Sunday get taken off in a releg playoff game + thought he was brutal.
Altho he may have been injured (didn't look it tho)

For those who were at the county final you could see that Johnson give Benny McArdle a roasting. A player who many believed would have played full back for Down until Dan Gordon excelled in this position. Johnson we have to remember is still a very young player. Only 21/22. He picked up an injury against Lisnaskea in the Ulster championship and was not able to feature against Kilclief and was nowhere near fully fit against shamrocks but just wanted to risk the injury for his team in this game. Although John McAreavey is an excellent player and that could never been doubted people are saying that John has been the main man for Tullylish this year well Johnson played a bigger role in Tullylish's success this year more than John both two quality players that many others believe to be county material. They deserve their opportunity to show what they are worth in the McKenna cup and League at least before people can say they are not county potential.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 25, 2010, 09:59:44 AM
Quote from: The Chief on November 23, 2010, 02:27:34 PM
Chris Killen, Luke Howard, Darren O'Hagan and John McAreavey would be my 4, although there were a couple of teams that i didn't get to watch this year and Burren were one of them so i can't comment on any of their players.

Laverty, Alder and Jason Brown could be on the fringes of the Down Panel, with a few run outs in the league but i wouldn't start any of them in the heat of championship battle.
In truth there aren't many places up for grabs as i think its a pretty strong county squad with plenty of competition for places.

Apres Match, i saw Darragh Cross play a couple of times this year - in castewellan against the Clone, and in Glassdrumman, and 3 times last season as well. Maybe i caught you on a bad day but the day in question in Castewellan most of your team were better boxers than footballers!  ;D

Chief - I am not saying that any of the Darragh players are ready to walk in to the county set-up but if players as previously mentioned are on the squad then tey should be there.

In Castlewellan against the clone, Darragh Cross were terrible. However even playing badly they still only managed to lose by a score and kicked themselves out of it. Annaclone, even with strong county players couldnt play in the second half. They registered one point from about 4 attacks. They beat Drumgath, Attical, Glassdrumman this year and there was one forward in particular looked well worth a trail and that was young Miskelly.

I think these players need to be watches as stated previously, several times a year and possibly worked on over several weeks to see if they can make it as they have further more work to do to get to tough competitive level of fitness. It is easier for division one players as they have the benefit of superb trainers, something lower divions dont usually (but not always).

Would be interesting to see three select division 3 , 2 & 1 teams which has been worked on for a month under county guidance, play each other to see the gap in standard if it exists. I would say there is very little between them all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 25, 2010, 10:14:03 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on November 23, 2010, 09:12:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
I'm not so sure Mourne Rover.
Finishing top of the league might prove you're better than Division III standard. But it's on winning the play-offs - when the best teams in your division have full squads and are chomping at the bit - that means you're reading for Division II.
You have just contradicted yourself - if finishing top of the league makes you better than Division III standard, what does it make you?
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
Too many people in Down football place too much of an emphasis on league placings. .
Hardly. This team finished first. A place in the playoff final is a less than paltry reward for a team that has shown the effort, dedication and consistency to finish top.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
I would reconfigure the end of season play-offs a little so that the team which finished higher is always at home (regardless of whether it's roun-robin, semi, or final). This would be a suitable reward for a consistent season and might push teams a bit harder during the end of league dead rubbers.
But being good at beating Division III standard teams does not a Division II team make.
I'm not against play-offs, but the team finishing top should automatically go up. Not only rewarding the most consistent team in the league, it will also mean that another team will have the chance to compete for promotion.

I know our club has been involved in a few of these situations over the years but i do not see why even in the current system the first placed team goes up. then  Second and third play off and the winner plays the winner of the relegation battle from the division above. If the lower division team win then they deserve to be up a division.

Personally i think that there was better teams this year in division 3 than at the bottom two thirds of division 2. There really isnt much between them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hospitalpass on November 25, 2010, 10:39:02 AM
Banker, are you still tryin to claim your not from tullylish?  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 25, 2010, 10:52:54 AM
Quote from: When We Win on November 25, 2010, 09:59:44 AM
Quote from: The Chief on November 23, 2010, 02:27:34 PM
Chris Killen, Luke Howard, Darren O'Hagan and John McAreavey would be my 4, although there were a couple of teams that i didn't get to watch this year and Burren were one of them so i can't comment on any of their players.

Laverty, Alder and Jason Brown could be on the fringes of the Down Panel, with a few run outs in the league but i wouldn't start any of them in the heat of championship battle.
In truth there aren't many places up for grabs as i think its a pretty strong county squad with plenty of competition for places.

Apres Match, i saw Darragh Cross play a couple of times this year - in castewellan against the Clone, and in Glassdrumman, and 3 times last season as well. Maybe i caught you on a bad day but the day in question in Castewellan most of your team were better boxers than footballers!  ;D

Chief - I am not saying that any of the Darragh players are ready to walk in to the county set-up but if players as previously mentioned are on the squad then tey should be there.

In Castlewellan against the clone, Darragh Cross were terrible. However even playing badly they still only managed to lose by a score and kicked themselves out of it. Annaclone, even with strong county players couldnt play in the second half. They registered one point from about 4 attacks. They beat Drumgath, Attical, Glassdrumman this year and there was one forward in particular looked well worth a trail and that was young Miskelly.

I think these players need to be watches as stated previously, several times a year and possibly worked on over several weeks to see if they can make it as they have further more work to do to get to tough competitive level of fitness. It is easier for division one players as they have the benefit of superb trainers, something lower divions dont usually (but not always).

Would be interesting to see three select division 3 , 2 & 1 teams which has been worked on for a month under county guidance, play each other to see the gap in standard if it exists. I would say there is very little between them all.

Now this is the best idea i have come across here for some time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Chief on November 25, 2010, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: When We Win on November 25, 2010, 09:59:44 AM
Quote from: The Chief on November 23, 2010, 02:27:34 PM
Chris Killen, Luke Howard, Darren O'Hagan and John McAreavey would be my 4, although there were a couple of teams that i didn't get to watch this year and Burren were one of them so i can't comment on any of their players.

Laverty, Alder and Jason Brown could be on the fringes of the Down Panel, with a few run outs in the league but i wouldn't start any of them in the heat of championship battle.
In truth there aren't many places up for grabs as i think its a pretty strong county squad with plenty of competition for places.

Apres Match, i saw Darragh Cross play a couple of times this year - in castewellan against the Clone, and in Glassdrumman, and 3 times last season as well. Maybe i caught you on a bad day but the day in question in Castewellan most of your team were better boxers than footballers!  ;D

Chief - I am not saying that any of the Darragh players are ready to walk in to the county set-up but if players as previously mentioned are on the squad then tey should be there.

In Castlewellan against the clone, Darragh Cross were terrible. However even playing badly they still only managed to lose by a score and kicked themselves out of it. Annaclone, even with strong county players couldnt play in the second half. They registered one point from about 4 attacks. They beat Drumgath, Attical, Glassdrumman this year and there was one forward in particular looked well worth a trail and that was young Miskelly.

I think these players need to be watches as stated previously, several times a year and possibly worked on over several weeks to see if they can make it as they have further more work to do to get to tough competitive level of fitness. It is easier for division one players as they have the benefit of superb trainers, something lower divions dont usually (but not always).

Would be interesting to see three select division 3 , 2 & 1 teams which has been worked on for a month under county guidance, play each other to see the gap in standard if it exists. I would say there is very little between them all.

Your probably right WWW - some of the players trialled would have been no better than a few of Darragh Cross players, my main gripe was that the vast majority of those at the trials are not and will never be county standard, but as was already been said on here you need to get 30 to make it worthwhile and you need to appease the smaller clubs to make it be shown that everyone is getting a fair crack at it.
My main point was that very few players at the trials will be on the panel come next February or March

Miskelly has been a regular scorer over the years going on reports i read in the lMourne Observer - but on this day against Annaclone he didn't stand out at all. In truth the McArdles ran the show and you could see they were a cut above the rest in what was a poor spectacle

as for your last point what exactly do u mean? are you saying if - for example Bryansford, Loughinisland and Carryduff are each trained by county coaches for a month, and then played each other they would all be close games??
i think not

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 25, 2010, 03:09:57 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 25, 2010, 10:14:03 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on November 23, 2010, 09:12:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
I'm not so sure Mourne Rover.
Finishing top of the league might prove you're better than Division III standard. But it's on winning the play-offs - when the best teams in your division have full squads and are chomping at the bit - that means you're reading for Division II.
You have just contradicted yourself - if finishing top of the league makes you better than Division III standard, what does it make you?
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
Too many people in Down football place too much of an emphasis on league placings. .
Hardly. This team finished first. A place in the playoff final is a less than paltry reward for a team that has shown the effort, dedication and consistency to finish top.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
I would reconfigure the end of season play-offs a little so that the team which finished higher is always at home (regardless of whether it's roun-robin, semi, or final). This would be a suitable reward for a consistent season and might push teams a bit harder during the end of league dead rubbers.
But being good at beating Division III standard teams does not a Division II team make.
I'm not against play-offs, but the team finishing top should automatically go up. Not only rewarding the most consistent team in the league, it will also mean that another team will have the chance to compete for promotion.

I know our club has been involved in a few of these situations over the years but i do not see why even in the current system the first placed team goes up. then  Second and third play off and the winner plays the winner of the relegation battle from the division above. If the lower division team win then they deserve to be up a division.

Personally i think that there was better teams this year in division 3 than at the bottom two thirds of division 2. There really isnt much between them.

I think our system has improved gradually over the years and certainly we remain the envy of most other counties regarding our club structures.From next year onwards 1st placed team goes up.2nd and 3rd then playoff.This is an improvement on the old playoffs when midtable teams could end up in bottom 4,or top 4.The result being that every league game is like a final, and the championship becomes diluted.I disagree with your suggestion re playing teams from league above,as quite conceivably promotion contenders could become unstuck via injuries etc in a once-off game.The league should be just that.Promotion should be the reward for teams showing they are a cut above their opponents in that league and deserve a crack at a higher level.The 2nd/3rd playoffs are necessary to prevent discrimination against a club having to play matches without county men.Taking 4th position out of the playoff places is fair enough,as if a team is not capable of making top 3 (even without county men for much of the season),they are unlikely to be able to consistently compete in the league above(when they still be without their county men).
We got to an All-Ireland final,and yet our internal club games were all completed by mid november...hats off to Sean Rooney,for his excellent work on this!
Next year the system will be even better,with the amendments to the playoffs.Personally I would prefer only 3 divisions in Down,and an extended championship structure,with flexibility in the system to allow club football to proceed,when the county teams get a good run-but given the relative success of the current system,we are unlikely to see change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 2 out of 2 on November 25, 2010, 06:59:06 PM
re: down jim

As member of burren club and a keen supporter and after just returning from short holiday, I feel that I'd like to restore respect amongst fellow gaaboard members to my own club. Firstly congrats to mayobridge on league success, they are a very good team, have been this long time and I believe they will continue to be, by no means are we (burren) the finished article YET, I believe we are improving, but bryansford, killcoo and hilltown are doing likewise and on any given day each team can be of equal quality which can only be healthy for down football and reflects the pool of talent at wee james disposal. Perhaps, when any of these sides gets that coveted ulster senior title, one can begin to crow, until then it might be better to keep quiet, we came close this year I believe, but close AINT good enough! I suspect downjim might just be trying to ruffle a few feathers and create a tense reaction, if so he has gotten his gains but as a club member would just like to seperate his 'less intellectual' comments from our great club. ok, rant over  :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on November 25, 2010, 09:49:26 PM
The Trials are a PR exercise & nothing else.....
Unless you have a Div 4 or Div 3 player roasting a Div 1 player then in truth they are just there to make up the numbers.
Every year the same arguments persist about who should be on it & who shouldn't. I'm sure every County is the same. What people have to realise is that in football there is a lot of politics involved. Burrens contingent last year was greatly helped by the fact that James McCartan was an ex-player from that club. Playing for Burren helped certain fellas make that squad when perhaps otherwise they wouldn't have been anywhere near it. This isn't a go at Burren, if you've 2 players of similar ability & 1 plays for Kilcoo & other for Tullylish you can bet your last penny who will be the one on it.

I said the exact same last year regarding Anton McArdle, Paul Devlin etc... they should be nowhere near the panel until they warrant a place on it...end of! There is too much bullshit about "blooding them in" or "being one for the future" In my opinion its a cop out for the bigger clubs to justify having boys on the panel who in some cases dint even start regular for their club.
At 18 - 21 years of age these boys need to be testing themselves regularly against Senior teams in Div 1-4 not making up the numbers in training matches at Pairc Esler.
By all means if there is a young player who is one of the best players in his division then I'm all for him being on the County Panel but players on it have to warrant their place. There are too many passengers (even on last years panel) who are happy enough to remain just that.
Goldenyears your argument regarding "player gossip" being a key factor is also quite naive....boys will look after their mates & friends. Of course there will be a bit of banter between panelists about who is playing well but to suggest that if a guy is playing well he will definitely get his chance is not always the case.
Fellas like Colm Kearney (Bryansford) Brian Cole (Rostrevor) Jason Brown (Hilltown) Gareth Johnson (Tullylish) John Boyle (Warrenpoint) and others had all been playing well for their respective clubs last year but couldn't make a McKenna Cup Squad which in reality consisted of quite a few who shouldn't have been anywhere near it.
Until a fairer system of selection is developed the same pointless arguments will crop up every year. A suggestion might be Selectors actually going to watch games outside Div 1 & seeing what else is on offer, who's playing well & who is consistent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 25, 2010, 10:18:38 PM
Quote from: guevara on November 25, 2010, 09:49:26 PM
The Trials are a PR exercise & nothing else.....
Unless you have a Div 4 or Div 3 player roasting a Div 1 player then in truth they are just there to make up the numbers.
Every year the same arguments persist about who should be on it & who shouldn't. I'm sure every County is the same. What people have to realise is that in football there is a lot of politics involved. Burrens contingent last year was greatly helped by the fact that James McCartan was an ex-player from that club. Playing for Burren helped certain fellas make that squad when perhaps otherwise they wouldn't have been anywhere near it. This isn't a go at Burren, if you've 2 players of similar ability & 1 plays for Kilcoo & other for Tullylish you can bet your last penny who will be the one on it.

I said the exact same last year regarding Anton McArdle, Paul Devlin etc... they should be nowhere near the panel until they warrant a place on it...end of! There is too much bullshit about "blooding them in" or "being one for the future" In my opinion its a cop out for the bigger clubs to justify having boys on the panel who in some cases dint even start regular for their club.
At 18 - 21 years of age these boys need to be testing themselves regularly against Senior teams in Div 1-4 not making up the numbers in training matches at Pairc Esler.
By all means if there is a young player who is one of the best players in his division then I'm all for him being on the County Panel but players on it have to warrant their place. There are too many passengers (even on last years panel) who are happy enough to remain just that.
Goldenyears your argument regarding "player gossip" being a key factor is also quite naive....boys will look after their mates & friends. Of course there will be a bit of banter between panelists about who is playing well but to suggest that if a guy is playing well he will definitely get his chance is not always the case.
Fellas like Colm Kearney (Bryansford) Brian Cole (Rostrevor) Jason Brown (Hilltown) Gareth Johnson (Tullylish) John Boyle (Warrenpoint) and others had all been playing well for their respective clubs last year but couldn't make a McKenna Cup Squad which in reality consisted of quite a few who shouldn't have been anywhere near it.
Until a fairer system of selection is developed the same pointless arguments will crop up every year. A suggestion might be Selectors actually going to watch games outside Div 1 & seeing what else is on offer, who's playing well & who is consistent.

Fantastic post and you are 100 per cent right in all that your saying. I seen quite a lot in division 1 this year, games where McCartan and Johnston where at and i seen many other players playing better than some of those on the trial list. So i agree politics does play a big part too.

Reastically though the starting 15 from the all ireland this year plus the 5 subs that where used on the day as well as Ambrose, Alder, Colgan, Carr and Sexton are the top 25 and are the mainstays of next years squad IMO. They will have 5 to add to this which will likely be Anderson, Gary McArdle, Duffin, Mark Doran and Luke Howard to make up the 30. They may give others a game or two in McKenna cup but its hard to see any standout candidates that could turn into major county players. The under 21s should be left there until they are finished in spring time with the form players being brought in at that stage. Ohagan is the obvious under 21 that could make the break through but i dont see the sence in playing him in the slog that is January at senior level when the under 21s will be preparing for their campaign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on November 25, 2010, 10:28:12 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 25, 2010, 03:09:57 PM
Quote from: When We Win on November 25, 2010, 10:14:03 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on November 23, 2010, 09:12:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
I'm not so sure Mourne Rover.
Finishing top of the league might prove you're better than Division III standard. But it's on winning the play-offs - when the best teams in your division have full squads and are chomping at the bit - that means you're reading for Division II.
You have just contradicted yourself - if finishing top of the league makes you better than Division III standard, what does it make you?
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
Too many people in Down football place too much of an emphasis on league placings. .
Hardly. This team finished first. A place in the playoff final is a less than paltry reward for a team that has shown the effort, dedication and consistency to finish top.
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
I would reconfigure the end of season play-offs a little so that the team which finished higher is always at home (regardless of whether it's roun-robin, semi, or final). This would be a suitable reward for a consistent season and might push teams a bit harder during the end of league dead rubbers.
But being good at beating Division III standard teams does not a Division II team make.
I'm not against play-offs, but the team finishing top should automatically go up. Not only rewarding the most consistent team in the league, it will also mean that another team will have the chance to compete for promotion.

I know our club has been involved in a few of these situations over the years but i do not see why even in the current system the first placed team goes up. then  Second and third play off and the winner plays the winner of the relegation battle from the division above. If the lower division team win then they deserve to be up a division.

Personally i think that there was better teams this year in division 3 than at the bottom two thirds of division 2. There really isnt much between them.

I think our system has improved gradually over the years and certainly we remain the envy of most other counties regarding our club structures.From next year onwards 1st placed team goes up.2nd and 3rd then playoff.This is an improvement on the old playoffs when midtable teams could end up in bottom 4,or top 4.The result being that every league game is like a final, and the championship becomes diluted.I disagree with your suggestion re playing teams from league above,as quite conceivably promotion contenders could become unstuck via injuries etc in a once-off game.The league should be just that.Promotion should be the reward for teams showing they are a cut above their opponents in that league and deserve a crack at a higher level.The 2nd/3rd playoffs are necessary to prevent discrimination against a club having to play matches without county men.Taking 4th position out of the playoff places is fair enough,as if a team is not capable of making top 3 (even without county men for much of the season),they are unlikely to be able to consistently compete in the league above(when they still be without their county men).
We got to an All-Ireland final,and yet our internal club games were all completed by mid november...hats off to Sean Rooney,for his excellent work on this!
Next year the system will be even better,with the amendments to the playoffs.Personally I would prefer only 3 divisions in Down,and an extended championship structure,with flexibility in the system to allow club football to proceed,when the county teams get a good run-but given the relative success of the current system,we are unlikely to see change.

Well said
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on November 25, 2010, 10:31:25 PM
Quote from: guevara on November 25, 2010, 09:49:26 PM
The Trials are a PR exercise & nothing else.....
Unless you have a Div 4 or Div 3 player roasting a Div 1 player then in truth they are just there to make up the numbers.
Every year the same arguments persist about who should be on it & who shouldn't. I'm sure every County is the same. What people have to realise is that in football there is a lot of politics involved. Burrens contingent last year was greatly helped by the fact that James McCartan was an ex-player from that club. Playing for Burren helped certain fellas make that squad when perhaps otherwise they wouldn't have been anywhere near it. This isn't a go at Burren, if you've 2 players of similar ability & 1 plays for Kilcoo & other for Tullylish you can bet your last penny who will be the one on it.

I said the exact same last year regarding Anton McArdle, Paul Devlin etc... they should be nowhere near the panel until they warrant a place on it...end of! There is too much bullshit about "blooding them in" or "being one for the future" In my opinion its a cop out for the bigger clubs to justify having boys on the panel who in some cases dint even start regular for their club.
At 18 - 21 years of age these boys need to be testing themselves regularly against Senior teams in Div 1-4 not making up the numbers in training matches at Pairc Esler.
By all means if there is a young player who is one of the best players in his division then I'm all for him being on the County Panel but players on it have to warrant their place. There are too many passengers (even on last years panel) who are happy enough to remain just that.
Goldenyears your argument regarding "player gossip" being a key factor is also quite naive....boys will look after their mates & friends. Of course there will be a bit of banter between panelists about who is playing well but to suggest that if a guy is playing well he will definitely get his chance is not always the case.
Fellas like Colm Kearney (Bryansford) Brian Cole (Rostrevor) Jason Brown (Hilltown) Gareth Johnson (Tullylish) John Boyle (Warrenpoint) and others had all been playing well for their respective clubs last year but couldn't make a McKenna Cup Squad which in reality consisted of quite a few who shouldn't have been anywhere near it.
Until a fairer system of selection is developed the same pointless arguments will crop up every year. A suggestion might be Selectors actually going to watch games outside Div 1 & seeing what else is on offer, who's playing well & who is consistent.

Another great post
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on November 25, 2010, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 25, 2010, 10:18:38 PM
Quote from: guevara on November 25, 2010, 09:49:26 PM
The Trials are a PR exercise & nothing else.....
Unless you have a Div 4 or Div 3 player roasting a Div 1 player then in truth they are just there to make up the numbers.
Every year the same arguments persist about who should be on it & who shouldn't. I'm sure every County is the same. What people have to realise is that in football there is a lot of politics involved. Burrens contingent last year was greatly helped by the fact that James McCartan was an ex-player from that club. Playing for Burren helped certain fellas make that squad when perhaps otherwise they wouldn't have been anywhere near it. This isn't a go at Burren, if you've 2 players of similar ability & 1 plays for Kilcoo & other for Tullylish you can bet your last penny who will be the one on it.

I said the exact same last year regarding Anton McArdle, Paul Devlin etc... they should be nowhere near the panel until they warrant a place on it...end of! There is too much bullshit about "blooding them in" or "being one for the future" In my opinion its a cop out for the bigger clubs to justify having boys on the panel who in some cases dint even start regular for their club.
At 18 - 21 years of age these boys need to be testing themselves regularly against Senior teams in Div 1-4 not making up the numbers in training matches at Pairc Esler.
By all means if there is a young player who is one of the best players in his division then I'm all for him being on the County Panel but players on it have to warrant their place. There are too many passengers (even on last years panel) who are happy enough to remain just that.
Goldenyears your argument regarding "player gossip" being a key factor is also quite naive....boys will look after their mates & friends. Of course there will be a bit of banter between panelists about who is playing well but to suggest that if a guy is playing well he will definitely get his chance is not always the case.
Fellas like Colm Kearney (Bryansford) Brian Cole (Rostrevor) Jason Brown (Hilltown) Gareth Johnson (Tullylish) John Boyle (Warrenpoint) and others had all been playing well for their respective clubs last year but couldn't make a McKenna Cup Squad which in reality consisted of quite a few who shouldn't have been anywhere near it.
Until a fairer system of selection is developed the same pointless arguments will crop up every year. A suggestion might be Selectors actually going to watch games outside Div 1 & seeing what else is on offer, who's playing well & who is consistent.

Fantastic post and you are 100 per cent right in all that your saying. I seen quite a lot in division 1 this year, games where McCartan and Johnston where at and i seen many other players playing better than some of those on the trial list. So i agree politics does play a big part too.

Reastically though the starting 15 from the all ireland this year plus the 5 subs that where used on the day as well as Ambrose, Alder, Colgan, Carr and Sexton are the top 25 and are the mainstays of next years squad IMO. They will have 5 to add to this which will likely be Anderson, Gary McArdle, Duffin, Mark Doran and Luke Howard to make up the 30. They may give others a game or two in McKenna cup but its hard to see any standout candidates that could turn into major county players. The under 21s should be left there until they are finished in spring time with the form players being brought in at that stage. Ohagan is the obvious under 21 that could make the break through but i dont see the sence in playing him in the slog that is January at senior level when the under 21s will be preparing for their campaign.

Good observations, but can anyone tell me (as our club are in Div 3) have we any class players coming through that are big?

Down and the guys mentioned are a very small team, and, I don't think a county team can carry more than two small forwards.

One guy I have seen in the past couple of years who is big and strong and looks like he has it is John McAreavey from Tullylish - always thought he should have been given a go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 25, 2010, 11:23:31 PM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on November 25, 2010, 10:38:01 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 25, 2010, 10:18:38 PM
Quote from: guevara on November 25, 2010, 09:49:26 PM
The Trials are a PR exercise & nothing else.....
Unless you have a Div 4 or Div 3 player roasting a Div 1 player then in truth they are just there to make up the numbers.
Every year the same arguments persist about who should be on it & who shouldn't. I'm sure every County is the same. What people have to realise is that in football there is a lot of politics involved. Burrens contingent last year was greatly helped by the fact that James McCartan was an ex-player from that club. Playing for Burren helped certain fellas make that squad when perhaps otherwise they wouldn't have been anywhere near it. This isn't a go at Burren, if you've 2 players of similar ability & 1 plays for Kilcoo & other for Tullylish you can bet your last penny who will be the one on it.

I said the exact same last year regarding Anton McArdle, Paul Devlin etc... they should be nowhere near the panel until they warrant a place on it...end of! There is too much bullshit about "blooding them in" or "being one for the future" In my opinion its a cop out for the bigger clubs to justify having boys on the panel who in some cases dint even start regular for their club.
At 18 - 21 years of age these boys need to be testing themselves regularly against Senior teams in Div 1-4 not making up the numbers in training matches at Pairc Esler.
By all means if there is a young player who is one of the best players in his division then I'm all for him being on the County Panel but players on it have to warrant their place. There are too many passengers (even on last years panel) who are happy enough to remain just that.
Goldenyears your argument regarding "player gossip" being a key factor is also quite naive....boys will look after their mates & friends. Of course there will be a bit of banter between panelists about who is playing well but to suggest that if a guy is playing well he will definitely get his chance is not always the case.
Fellas like Colm Kearney (Bryansford) Brian Cole (Rostrevor) Jason Brown (Hilltown) Gareth Johnson (Tullylish) John Boyle (Warrenpoint) and others had all been playing well for their respective clubs last year but couldn't make a McKenna Cup Squad which in reality consisted of quite a few who shouldn't have been anywhere near it.
Until a fairer system of selection is developed the same pointless arguments will crop up every year. A suggestion might be Selectors actually going to watch games outside Div 1 & seeing what else is on offer, who's playing well & who is consistent.

Fantastic post and you are 100 per cent right in all that your saying. I seen quite a lot in division 1 this year, games where McCartan and Johnston where at and i seen many other players playing better than some of those on the trial list. So i agree politics does play a big part too.

Reastically though the starting 15 from the all ireland this year plus the 5 subs that where used on the day as well as Ambrose, Alder, Colgan, Carr and Sexton are the top 25 and are the mainstays of next years squad IMO. They will have 5 to add to this which will likely be Anderson, Gary McArdle, Duffin, Mark Doran and Luke Howard to make up the 30. They may give others a game or two in McKenna cup but its hard to see any standout candidates that could turn into major county players. The under 21s should be left there until they are finished in spring time with the form players being brought in at that stage. Ohagan is the obvious under 21 that could make the break through but i dont see the sence in playing him in the slog that is January at senior level when the under 21s will be preparing for their campaign.

Good observations, but can anyone tell me (as our club are in Div 3) have we any class players coming through that are big?

Down and the guys mentioned are a very small team, and, I don't think a county team can carry more than two small forwards.

One guy I have seen in the past couple of years who is big and strong and looks like he has it is John McAreavey from Tullylish - always thought he should have been given a go.

packie Downey and sheeran from drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 25, 2010, 11:45:35 PM
McAreavey had a few runs in the McKenna Cup previously but looked a far stronger and more confident player in this year's IFC. If O'Hagan continues to develop through the u21s, he also has a great chance of making the breakthrough.

Sheeran has been a fine club midfielder for years, but it is very difficult to see him making the senior squad at this stage, while it is questionable if Downey is any better now than than the period when he was given championship starts and produced unconvincing displays in 2007.

However, what we are really hoping for is the return of a fully fit Ambrose. If that happens, and the rest of last summer's heroes can push on, we will be a serious side again.

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Post by: Don Johnson on November 26, 2010, 08:34:24 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 25, 2010, 11:45:35 PM
McAreavey had a few runs in the McKenna Cup previously but looked a far stronger and more confident player in this year's IFC. If O'Hagan continues to develop through the u21s, he also has a great chance of making the breakthrough.

Sheeran has been a fine club midfielder for years, but it is very difficult to see him making the senior squad at this stage, while it is questionable if Downey is any better now than than the period when he was given championship starts and produced unconvincing displays in 2007.

However, what we are really hoping for is the return of a fully fit Ambrose. If that happens, and the rest of last summer's heroes can push on, we will be a serious side again.

He had one run out in the McKenna Cup I think in which he scored a couple goals and a couple points and never got another chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 26, 2010, 03:22:37 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson/quote] He had one run out in the McKenna Cup I think in which he scored a couple goals and a couple points and never got another chance.

McAreavey was in the Down squad which won the McKenna Cup in 08. He got 2-3 on his debut against Donegal in Newry, which was a notable achievement even lthough the opposition was poor that night, and also started the next game against UUJ, but did not score. As far as I know, he has not been subsequently involved, but at the very least he would merit another couple of McKenna matches in January.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on November 27, 2010, 10:48:41 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 26, 2010, 03:22:37 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson/quote] He had one run out in the McKenna Cup I think in which he scored a couple goals and a couple points and never got another chance.

McAreavey was in the Down squad which won the McKenna Cup in 08. He got 2-3 on his debut against Donegal in Newry, which was a notable achievement even lthough the opposition was poor that night, and also started the next game against UUJ, but did not score. As far as I know, he has not been subsequently involved, but at the very least he would merit another couple of McKenna matches in January.

What age is he? Is time on his side?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on November 27, 2010, 03:44:24 PM
cros and glenties off till next week think the other ulster finals are off also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on November 27, 2010, 07:55:28 PM


What age is he? Is time on his side?

26
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on November 28, 2010, 02:14:16 PM
Any under 20 matches go ahead. Mayobridge and hilltown game was called off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on November 29, 2010, 12:06:59 PM
 
U-20 Football Championship Section A
Date                    Team 1          Score     Score           Team 2   Venue   
25-Nov-2010    Teconnaught   0 - 2           8 - 19   Bryansford   Teconnaught   R1
23-Nov-2010    Bryansford           1 - 25   1 - 2           Shamrocks   Bryansford           R2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on November 29, 2010, 07:36:09 PM
Are Bryansford really good or are those other two just really shite?
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Post by: knockitdown on November 30, 2010, 01:11:28 PM
Last years list. Any changes so far for the beginning of 2011 Season?

2011 Managers

Division 1

Mayobridge - Eamon McEnaney
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Clonduff - Paul Lambe
Burren - Frank Dawson
Longstone - Jody Gormley
Castlewellan -
An Riocht - Stephen Poucher
Liatroim -
Rostrevor - John Rafferty
Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Saval - Declan Morgan


Annaclone - Tom Potter
Shamrocks -
Clann na Banna - Tony Wilson
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Ballymartin -
Attical -
Warrenpoint - Kevin Franklin/Glenn Elmore
Loughinisland - Paul McShane
Drumgath - Mickey Linden

Kilclief - John Kane
Tullylish - Keith Farrell
Bosco -
Drumaness - Bill Geoghegan
Dundrum - Paul Shields
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty Snr/Donard King/Seamus Braniff
Glasdrumman - Benny Corrigan
Carryduff - Andy Moohan
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Saul - Paul Evans
Glenn - John Kennedy/Tony Bagnall
Ardglass -


Bredagh - Kevin Blaney
Mitchels - Harry Cooney/Nigel Allen
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
St Michaels - Robert Wilson
Bright -
Ballykinlar - Skin Hanna/DJ Morgan
Dromara -
Aughlisnafin - Philly McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Aghaderg -
St Pauls -
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 30, 2010, 03:15:54 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on November 30, 2010, 01:11:28 PM
Last years list. Any changes so far for the beginning of 2011 Season?

2011 Managers

Division 1

Mayobridge - Eamon McEnaney
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Clonduff - Paul Lambe
Burren - Frank Dawson
Longstone - Jody Gormley
Castlewellan -
An Riocht - Stephen Poucher
Liatroim -
Rostrevor - John Rafferty
Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Saval - Declan Morgan


Annaclone - Tom Potter
Shamrocks -
Clann na Banna - Tony Wilson
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Ballymartin -
Attical -
Warrenpoint - Kevin Franklin/Glenn Elmore
Loughinisland - Paul McShane
Drumgath - Mickey Linden

Kilclief - John Kane
Tullylish - Keith Farrell
Bosco -
Drumaness - Bill Geoghegan
Dundrum - Paul Shields
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty Snr/Donard King/Seamus Braniff
Glasdrumman - Benny Corrigan
Carryduff - Andy Moohan
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Saul - Paul Evans
Glenn - John Kennedy/Tony Bagnall
Ardglass -


Bredagh - Kevin Blaney
Mitchels - Harry Cooney/Nigel Allen
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
St Michaels - Robert Wilson
Bright -
Ballykinlar - Skin Hanna/DJ Morgan
Dromara -
Aughlisnafin - Philly McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Aghaderg -
St Pauls -

Two in bold should be blank at this point! No replacements yet though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 30, 2010, 05:38:27 PM
Bredagh are managerless at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on November 30, 2010, 06:30:53 PM
the mayobridge manager for next year is Francie poland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on December 01, 2010, 10:39:47 AM
Quote from: supersub on November 30, 2010, 03:15:54 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on November 30, 2010, 01:11:28 PM
Last years list. Any changes so far for the beginning of 2011 Season?

2011 Managers

Division 1

Mayobridge - Eamon McEnaney
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Clonduff - Paul Lambe
Burren - Frank Dawson
Longstone - Jody Gormley
Castlewellan -
An Riocht - Stephen Poucher
Liatroim -
Rostrevor - John Rafferty
Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Saval - Declan Morgan


Annaclone - Tom Potter
Shamrocks -
Clann na Banna - Tony Wilson
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth
Ballymartin -
Attical -
Warrenpoint - Kevin Franklin/Glenn Elmore
Loughinisland - Paul McShane
Drumgath - Mickey Linden

Kilclief - John Kane
Tullylish - Keith Farrell
Bosco -
Drumaness - Bill Geoghegan
Dundrum - Paul Shields
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty Snr/Donard King/Seamus Braniff
Glasdrumman - Benny Corrigan
Carryduff - Andy Moohan
Darragh Cross - Eamon Burns
Saul - Paul Evans
Glenn - John Kennedy/Tony Bagnall
Ardglass -


Bredagh - Kevin Blaney
Mitchels - Harry Cooney/Nigel Allen
Teconnaught - Brendan Mason
St Michaels - Robert Wilson
Bright -
Ballykinlar - Skin Hanna/DJ Morgan
Dromara -
Aughlisnafin - Philly McGrattan/Gerard McCartan
Aghaderg -
St Pauls -

Two in bold should be blank at this point! No replacements yet though.

Also heard Saval are looking a new manager but no one has got it. Liam/Paddy Hardy and Harpo McKibben had Castlewellan last year. Don't know if they are staying. Aso heard Kyran Smyth left D/Patrick. Not sure if that's true though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 01, 2010, 08:25:44 PM
Anybody any info regarding the state of play for the incoming season's county U-21's? Ive heard that weights training sessions are taking place on a weekly basis in the Abbey. Is it the same management team as last year? Any word on trials?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 01, 2010, 08:37:29 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 01, 2010, 08:25:44 PM
Anybody any info regarding the state of play for the incoming season's county U-21's? Ive heard that weights training sessions are taking place on a weekly basis in the Abbey. Is it the same management team as last year? Any word on trials?

There has been a 15 man squad picked already that are training weekly with this squad to be added to based on standout performers at club under 20's and trials at a later stage. Neil Collins, Brendan McKernan, Tom Potter and Steven Poucher are in charge for a second term.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 01, 2010, 09:43:41 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on December 01, 2010, 08:37:29 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 01, 2010, 08:25:44 PM
Anybody any info regarding the state of play for the incoming season's county U-21's? Ive heard that weights training sessions are taking place on a weekly basis in the Abbey. Is it the same management team as last year? Any word on trials?

There has been a 15 man squad picked already that are training weekly with this squad to be added to based on standout performers at club under 20's and trials at a later stage. Neil Collins, Brendan McKernan, Tom Potter and Steven Poucher are in charge for a second term.

Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: headcold on December 01, 2010, 10:26:31 PM
R WILSON HAS LEFT ST MICHAELS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 01, 2010, 10:57:41 PM
Have to say I enjoyed this...


http://www.jeromequinnmedia.com/watch/James-McCartan-Senior_50
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on December 02, 2010, 02:08:05 PM
James book makes some great reading and I think there could be merit in his idea that the championship should be changed into 8 groups of four with seeding based on National League positions. It will obviously dilute the Provincial championships but there is an inherent bias there anyway with Munster and Connaught having a free run for the 2 dominant teams in each Province(Kery/Cork and Galway/Mayo) and also they minefields of the larger provinces Ulster and Leinster making it more difficult for teams from these provinces getting a run.
He believes the leagues would become stronger and meaningful as teams try to get a good seeding for the Championship and then the actual Championship will afford teams not just 1 or 2 games if you get through the back door but atleast 3 games.
Sometimes change is hard to swallow but the GAA has always progressed and developed by making changes, however slow, and so this idea might be worth a chance. The above format will give teams a steady structure of games bringing some different matchups and also improve the value of the league. It might also bring less disruption to club football where there are sometimes very large gaps in the present championship timetable.
Congratulations James, good luck with sales a good Christmas read.
Title: Warrenpoin snior Manager
Post by: True Blue on December 02, 2010, 10:20:43 PM
Kevin Franklin has stepped down as Blues Senior Manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on December 03, 2010, 10:48:29 PM
You mean Glenn Elmore has? Glenn was the main man was he not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointlad on December 03, 2010, 11:58:58 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on December 03, 2010, 10:48:29 PM
You mean Glenn Elmore has? Glenn was the main man was he not

Kevin Franklin was the main man, Glenn Elmore was only his assistant
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on December 04, 2010, 12:40:15 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on December 03, 2010, 10:48:29 PM
You mean Glenn Elmore has? Glenn was the main man was he not

Dont know if glen will take over or not will be interesting. point have a good young team coming through not just ready for div 1 yet but give it a year or 2 and they might be able to hold their own with the big boys
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Post by: Mourne Rover on December 04, 2010, 01:12:52 AM
Congratulations to Damien Rafferty, who won the Spirit of Breen Morgan trophy at the Club Down ceremony last night. We only had two or three defenders we could rely on for many years, until this season, and Dee always turned in performances of the highest standard. He had a fantastic 2010, and should at least have had an All Star nomination as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on December 04, 2010, 01:42:49 AM
Glen was def not the number 2
He was the manager + he isn't staying on next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 04, 2010, 11:08:12 AM
both men were joint managers.end of story. neither will be involved next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 04, 2010, 02:55:27 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 04, 2010, 01:12:52 AM
Congratulations to Damien Rafferty, who won the Spirit of Breen Morgan trophy at the Club Down ceremony last night. We only had two or three defenders we could rely on for many years, until this season, and Dee always turned in performances of the highest standard. He had a fantastic 2010, and should at least have had an All Star nomination as well.

Fair play to Club Down for continuing with this award and what a good choice this year in Damien Rafferty. Marvellous to see Wee James, Brendan McVeigh & Kevin McKernan at the event and them only back from Malaysia. A big turn out despite the snow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wind yer neck in on December 05, 2010, 02:41:11 PM
Can the clubs in Down and the CB included become creative in a money saving venture?
We all know the financial stress most if not all clubs find themselves in, we have to be inventive.
We all can get together rather than separately look at a viable moneysaving exercise and in the past the GAA people are always prepared to find ways out of problems.
What's one if not the biggest outlay of teams,,, physio and medical costs; outside of managers they are the biggest expenses facing clubs.
Could I suggest that our clubs consider pooling together to meet physio costs?
How could this happen in a finacially viable way. My clubs yearly fees are roughly 10k, local clubs (10 mile radius) including Liatroim, Castlewellan, Downpatrick, Clonduff and Kilcoo have roughly the same costs give or take a few pounds in. The cost approx 60k, average wage for Physio in hospital 25-30k, therefore our 6 local clubs alone could actually pay for 2 full time Physios but there isn't the work to justify this. Lets expand this and add all the clubs in Down to employ 2 or 3 Physios the cost could be divided among the 49 clubs in Down with a sliding scale cost to each club i.e. the smaller clubs who have not the same need could pay less into this pool and so all clubs in Down have access to full-time, fully qualified physios the overall cost to clubs is reduced, the out of work physios have full time work, the players have immediate access to a professional set-up thus aiding recovery time and the clubs outlay is immediatley reduced.
Lets expand this and throw in the CB and all the various teams they have, Mens Senior, u-21's, minors and the hurlers and the camogs and the ladies footballers, surely this would also reduce the CB's extensive and expensive medical bills?
This scheme could and would need to be co-ordinated and maybe the CB could bring in an adminstrator to help run this scheme.
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Post by: thewobbler on December 05, 2010, 03:30:19 PM
This really isn't a bad idea at all. Would need a bit of a 'timeshare' agreement put in place, but could work.

I've a funny feeling though that one thing the recession will teach us is that there's feck all difference a physio makes to a groin or hamstring strain, apart from confirming what it is, and syphoning away valuable funds during it's natural recovery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on December 05, 2010, 04:21:18 PM
Quote from: Wind yer neck in on December 05, 2010, 02:41:11 PM
Can the clubs in Down and the CB included become creative in a money saving venture?
We all know the financial stress most if not all clubs find themselves in, we have to be inventive.
We all can get together rather than separately look at a viable moneysaving exercise and in the past the GAA people are always prepared to find ways out of problems.
What's one if not the biggest outlay of teams,,, physio and medical costs; outside of managers they are the biggest expenses facing clubs.
Could I suggest that our clubs consider pooling together to meet physio costs?
How could this happen in a finacially viable way. My clubs yearly fees are roughly 10k, local clubs (10 mile radius) including Liatroim, Castlewellan, Downpatrick, Clonduff and Kilcoo have roughly the same costs give or take a few pounds in. The cost approx 60k, average wage for Physio in hospital 25-30k, therefore our 6 local clubs alone could actually pay for 2 full time Physios but there isn't the work to justify this. Lets expand this and add all the clubs in Down to employ 2 or 3 Physios the cost could be divided among the 49 clubs in Down with a sliding scale cost to each club i.e. the smaller clubs who have not the same need could pay less into this pool and so all clubs in Down have access to full-time, fully qualified physios the overall cost to clubs is reduced, the out of work physios have full time work, the players have immediate access to a professional set-up thus aiding recovery time and the clubs outlay is immediatley reduced.
Lets expand this and throw in the CB and all the various teams they have, Mens Senior, u-21's, minors and the hurlers and the camogs and the ladies footballers, surely this would also reduce the CB's extensive and expensive medical bills?
This scheme could and would need to be co-ordinated and maybe the CB could bring in an adminstrator to help run this scheme.
I have to say this is a very interesting and inventive proposal "Wind". Every year at club AGMs I'm sure that everyone is surprised by the "Medical Costs" year on year. This should be looked at and Wobbler's suggestion too.  Good stuff lads!
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Post by: Dubh driocht on December 05, 2010, 05:09:25 PM
Couple of article in the Sindo today suggesting schemes like this -  one problem with the Physio idea is that clubs will want them available at the same time for big games. However, something to consider along with Colm O'Rourke's suggestion that this could also be an opportunity for clubs to undertake development schemes ,pay players who are out of work so that they don't have to emigrate and stimulate the local economy. We need more thinking like this rather than doom and gloom merchants who are focussed on the ( admittedly serious) problems not possible solutions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on December 05, 2010, 07:31:05 PM
have a look at the managers who are sucking hundereds of thousands of pounds out of club coffers with clubs losing players overseas to try and get employment-waken up and boot these bloodsuckers out of our sport for good!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 06, 2010, 02:23:09 AM
Any idea who's on this squad of 15 for the u21s at the moment?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 06, 2010, 10:54:46 AM
Any reports from yesterdays convention??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 06, 2010, 03:04:38 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 06, 2010, 02:23:09 AM
Any idea who's on this squad of 15 for the u21s at the moment?

whats this all about?? U21 Footballers?? Have they had trials or whats the story?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 06, 2010, 03:47:50 PM
There is an initial panel just for weight training purposes I believe! No trials as yet but will be added to after current u20 competition - which itself is a joke in terms of age limit.
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Post by: DownFanatic on December 06, 2010, 08:27:38 PM
Im just after reading Loughinisland's centenary book that they released a couple of years ago. I have to say it is an outstanding piece of club history work and the effort and detail that went in to it was unreal.  It's definitely the benchmark for any club that intends to record their history in book form.

It has some great nuggets of information. For example, Paddy 'Mo' Doherty played for the Island in the 1974 Down SFC Final against Bryansford. He came off the bench and scored two points but the Ford ended up winning the game with current Down panellist Conor Maginn's father John getting the man of the match award.

Also, it was interesting to see some of the clubs that were in existence in the past namely Ballynahinch, Newcastle, Scollogstown, Dunsford, Ballyhackamore, Magherlone and Tullycarnon. Anybody any idea where the latter is?
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Post by: Square Ball on December 06, 2010, 09:03:11 PM
DF, this was mentioned a while ago on the Hoganstand, Tullycarnon was a junior team from the Ards. Just outside Portaferry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 06, 2010, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 06, 2010, 09:03:11 PM
DF, this was mentioned a while ago on the Hoganstand, Tullycarnon was a junior team from the Ards. Just outside Portaferry

I see Sean Og in his report to Convention suggests that the Ards teams enter into the Down JFC. He suggests all three teams enter as single entities or if this is not possible an amalgamated Ards team. Id say there would be a brave few handy footballers on the peninsula.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on December 07, 2010, 12:13:15 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 06, 2010, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 06, 2010, 09:03:11 PM
DF, this was mentioned a while ago on the Hoganstand, Tullycarnon was a junior team from the Ards. Just outside Portaferry

I see Sean Og in his report to Convention suggests that the Ards teams enter into the Down JFC. He suggests all three teams enter as single entities or if this is not possible an amalgamated Ards team. Id say there would be a brave few handy footballers on the peninsula.


A definate understatment. Many moons ago six or seven of these lads played minors for Kilclief and were all very handy footballers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 07, 2010, 09:39:49 AM
Quote from: cokers on December 07, 2010, 12:13:15 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 06, 2010, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 06, 2010, 09:03:11 PM
DF, this was mentioned a while ago on the Hoganstand, Tullycarnon was a junior team from the Ards. Just outside Portaferry

I see Sean Og in his report to Convention suggests that the Ards teams enter into the Down JFC. He suggests all three teams enter as single entities or if this is not possible an amalgamated Ards team. Id say there would be a brave few handy footballers on the peninsula.


A definate understatment. Many moons ago six or seven of these lads played minors for Kilclief and were all very handy footballers.

We entered into the junior championship back in 1984, the GAA centenary year and ended up drawing Burren thirds and duly got beat. It was a bit of craic and with a few lads having been schooled in St Pats Downpatrick and with a very pro football man in Seany McGourty teaching in St Columba's most of the lads had a bit of the rudimentary skills, sadly kicking straight wasn't one of them! Neither was tackling which leads to disciplinary issues which is always a big concern for clubs.

On the subject, what's wrong with the likes of Kilcoo, Mayobridge, Burren, Bryansford and the likes not entering hurling teams into the Betsey Grey?? What's good for the goose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on December 07, 2010, 10:10:39 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 07, 2010, 09:39:49 AM
Quote from: cokers on December 07, 2010, 12:13:15 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 06, 2010, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 06, 2010, 09:03:11 PM
DF, this was mentioned a while ago on the Hoganstand, Tullycarnon was a junior team from the Ards. Just outside Portaferry

I see Sean Og in his report to Convention suggests that the Ards teams enter into the Down JFC. He suggests all three teams enter as single entities or if this is not possible an amalgamated Ards team. Id say there would be a brave few handy footballers on the peninsula.


A definate understatment. Many moons ago six or seven of these lads played minors for Kilclief and were all very handy footballers.

We entered into the junior championship back in 1984, the GAA centenary year and ended up drawing Burren thirds and duly got beat. It was a bit of craic and with a few lads having been schooled in St Pats Downpatrick and with a very pro football man in Seany McGourty teaching in St Columba's most of the lads had a bit of the rudimentary skills, sadly kicking straight wasn't one of them! Neither was tackling which leads to disciplinary issues which is always a big concern for clubs.

On the subject, what's wrong with the likes of Kilcoo, Mayobridge, Burren, Bryansford and the likes not entering hurling teams into the Betsey Grey?? What's good for the goose.

:D I know what your saying JC but I can see a load of reasons, first big one being costs. To play football all you need is a size 5, to play hurling everyone needs a stick and a few extra for breakages plus due to H&S everyone will need a helmet at the very least. The costs wouldn't be long going up.

Also having played both it is a lot easier to adapt to footy for hurlers then a footballer trying to adapt to hurling, the skills required for hurling, even at a basic level are a lot higher but i do get your point.

Although i would like to see football back on the ards, the county should be expoliting every blade of grass we can...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on December 07, 2010, 01:57:02 PM
Great point indeed. I know a brave few boys in those clubs you mentioned that enjoy a bit of hurling. But because there isnt a big enough interest in their club, they could never gather a team together. It was suggested that the few lads interested in playing, could just play for the nearest hurling club, Conduff, but I wouldnt think Mayobridge or Kilcoo lads would wear a yella jersey.. And you cant really argue with that..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 07, 2010, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on December 07, 2010, 01:57:02 PM
Great point indeed. I know a brave few boys in those clubs you mentioned that enjoy a bit of hurling. But because there isnt a big enough interest in their club, they could never gather a team together. It was suggested that the few lads interested in playing, could just play for the nearest hurling club, Conduff, but I wouldnt think Mayobridge or Kilcoo lads would wear a yella jersey.. And you cant really argue with that..

I would not be seen dead in a Clonduff jersey  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 07, 2010, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 07, 2010, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on December 07, 2010, 01:57:02 PM
Great point indeed. I know a brave few boys in those clubs you mentioned that enjoy a bit of hurling. But because there isnt a big enough interest in their club, they could never gather a team together. It was suggested that the few lads interested in playing, could just play for the nearest hurling club, Conduff, but I wouldnt think Mayobridge or Kilcoo lads would wear a yella jersey.. And you cant really argue with that..

I would not be seen dead in a Clonduff jersey  ;D ;)

I wonder did your father or Bennys father say the same!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 07, 2010, 07:50:02 PM
Is the ex manager of Island the new manager of super red????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 07, 2010, 08:51:28 PM
Have heard similar reports myself, none confirmed though!


Yeh Gerard Colgan new reds manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on December 10, 2010, 09:45:20 AM
Ross Carr over mayobridge year, so a few of the lads at work were saying
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 10, 2010, 04:37:36 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on December 10, 2010, 09:45:20 AM
Ross Carr over mayobridge year, so a few of the lads at work were saying

Did a poster not state Francie Poland taking the Bridge?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on December 10, 2010, 05:59:34 PM
Pat McMahon will manage Darragh Cross next year. Eddie McToal from belfast will train the team.Any other new managers in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 10, 2010, 09:52:36 PM
Bredagh's new manager is Michael O'Callaghan, this is an internal appointment, good luck Mick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on December 12, 2010, 04:11:16 PM
Under 20 championship result

Clonduff 0-10  Mayobride 3-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MagicMan on December 12, 2010, 11:28:19 PM
Any word on when there will be trials for the U21 set up??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 15, 2010, 02:41:28 PM
Any word how the trials went the other night - who was taking part in them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on December 16, 2010, 11:21:42 AM
Anyone got a list of the sqaud for the McKenna cup?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on December 16, 2010, 11:29:56 AM
think the squad is on hoganstand under the story about ambrose....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 16, 2010, 01:09:34 PM
D Alder
G McArdle
D Gordon
A Brannigan
D Rooney
A Carr
P Fitzpatrick
K King
L Doyle
M Poland
B Coulter
P Devlin
J Clarke
M Clarke
C Murdock
K Anderson
J Colgan
B McArdle
C Laverty
R Sexton
C Maginn
R Murtagh
M McCartan
C Poland
P McPolin
D Sheerin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 16, 2010, 01:57:17 PM

Lookin down the list maybe Benny, Martin Clarke and Declan Rooney could do with a break.. Play a completely new 15 and lets see what they have... This is a make or break year for a lot of these guys..

The likes of Peter Fitzpatrick, Aidan Carr, Kevin Anderson who have been around the panel for a while now need to really step up to the mark.. Unfortunately if they dont they could find themselves out in the cold..

Not sure if young Paul Devlin and young Paul Mc Polin are up to this level of football just yet unfortunately... Two great talents but not senior inter county level. Am I right in thinking their both still U21 this year ??

All in all looking forward to seeing us back in action!

D Alder
G McArdle
D Gordon
A Brannigan
D Rooney
A Carr
P Fitzpatrick
K King
L Doyle
M Poland
B Coulter
P Devlin
J Clarke
M Clarke
C Murdock
K Anderson
J Colgan
B McArdle
C Laverty
R Sexton
C Maginn
R Murtagh
M McCartan
C Poland
P McPolin
D Sheerin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 16, 2010, 02:12:42 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on December 16, 2010, 01:57:17 PM

Lookin down the list maybe Benny, Martin Clarke and Declan Rooney could do with a break.. Play a completely new 15 and lets see what they have... This is a make or break year for a lot of these guys..

The likes of Peter Fitzpatrick, Aidan Carr, Kevin Anderson who have been around the panel for a while now need to really step up to the mark.. Unfortunately if they dont they could find themselves out in the cold..

Not sure if young Paul Devlin and young Paul Mc Polin are up to this level of football just yet unfortunately... Two great talents but not senior inter county level. Am I right in thinking their both still U21 this year ??

All in all looking forward to seeing us back in action!

D Alder
G McArdle
D Gordon
A Brannigan
D Rooney
A Carr
P Fitzpatrick
K King
L Doyle
M Poland
B Coulter
P Devlin
J Clarke
M Clarke
C Murdock
K Anderson
J Colgan
B McArdle
C Laverty
R Sexton
C Maginn
R Murtagh
M McCartan
C Poland
P McPolin
D Sheerin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 16, 2010, 06:46:35 PM
What happens a club that plays under 16's at under 20 level ?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 16, 2010, 06:50:20 PM
A few years ago ballyholland were thrown out of the tournament when they fielded a certain Robbie White, can't mind who they were playing but they complained after harps beat them and harps were put out. They then appealed and got back in and White played the game v us in next round. This is when it was u21 however. So a bit up in the air i think! Why do u ask?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 16, 2010, 07:14:37 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 16, 2010, 06:50:20 PM
A few years ago ballyholland were thrown out of the tournament when they fielded a certain Robbie White, can't mind who they were playing but they complained after harps beat them and harps were put out. They then appealed and got back in and White played the game v us in next round. This is when it was u21 however. So a bit up in the air i think! Why do u ask?

I heard that a club played under 16's last weekend. I don't know how true it is though???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 16, 2010, 07:18:29 PM
Heard it myself, was waiting to see if you said who haha! I think it is true alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 16, 2010, 07:24:31 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 16, 2010, 07:18:29 PM
Heard it myself, was waiting to see if you said who haha! I think it is true alright.

I aint one to gossip ;D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 16, 2010, 07:48:22 PM
Is it a case of that this years u16s that will be minors next year are allowed to play?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 16, 2010, 08:01:47 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 16, 2010, 07:24:31 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 16, 2010, 07:18:29 PM
Heard it myself, was waiting to see if you said who haha! I think it is true alright.

I aint one to gossip ;D ;)

Slabbers!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wavesofTORRES on December 16, 2010, 09:07:51 PM
Shakespeare returns!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 16, 2010, 09:14:01 PM
Downjim shut up and stop your childish comments once again.

The team in question was offered a replay by county board this morning if they wanted I believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on December 16, 2010, 09:26:30 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 16, 2010, 06:46:35 PM
What happens a club that plays under 16's at under 20 level ?????

Well we had a few under 16s training at the start and were then told they could not play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 17, 2010, 04:55:01 PM
Quote from: wavesofTORRES on December 16, 2010, 09:07:51 PM
Shakespeare returns!!!

Witty, I like  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on December 17, 2010, 05:31:17 PM
I think that rule is just plain silly. I would say that there are very very few cases of this, that a 15yr old would be good enough to play in a team of 20yr olds anyway. But do yous not think its a bit sad a bunch of 20yr old lads complaining about how a 15yr old beat them? Its not as if hes a 25yr old playing at u20 level, which would obviously be unfair. I dont see it as an advantage to be honest. If a lad is good enough, he should play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 17, 2010, 06:21:48 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on December 17, 2010, 05:31:17 PM
I think that rule is just plain silly. I would say that there are very very few cases of this, that a 15yr old would be good enough to play in a team of 20yr olds anyway. But do yous not think its a bit sad a bunch of 20yr old lads complaining about how a 15yr old beat them? Its not as if hes a 25yr old playing at u20 level, which would obviously be unfair. I dont see it as an advantage to be honest. If a lad is good enough, he should play.

I see Swallinbar are lodging a protest against Corduff in Ulster Junior final for doing exactly the same thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 17, 2010, 07:35:01 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on December 17, 2010, 05:31:17 PM
I think that rule is just plain silly. I would say that there are very very few cases of this, that a 15yr old would be good enough to play in a team of 20yr olds anyway. But do yous not think its a bit sad a bunch of 20yr old lads complaining about how a 15yr old beat them? Its not as if hes a 25yr old playing at u20 level, which would obviously be unfair. I dont see it as an advantage to be honest. If a lad is good enough, he should play.

I agree but regardless of whether it is right or not it is still a rule which was broken!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No hoper on December 18, 2010, 12:35:37 PM
I would love to no why the under 20 competition starts in november and not earlier in the year when the weather is beter and more pitches available
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 18, 2010, 08:05:42 PM
QuoteI would love to no why the under 20 competition starts in november and not earlier in the year when the weather is beter and more pitches available
No hoper, surely you can work that one out without havoing to be told.

I'm a bit torn on this under-21 / under 16 rule. I'd figure that most of our senior team during the nineties and early noughties began playing senior football as under-16s. So playing restricted age football should be within the grasp of all the bigger under-16s.

But I'd also have the feeling that if a club can't field an under-21 side without having to dip into their under-16 ranks, then they shouldn't be entering the tournament at all. It's not really fair to rely on children against grown men.




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 19, 2010, 03:44:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 18, 2010, 08:05:42 PM
QuoteI would love to no why the under 20 competition starts in november and not earlier in the year when the weather is beter and more pitches available
No hoper, surely you can work that one out without havoing to be told.

I'm a bit torn on this under-21 / under 16 rule. I'd figure that most of our senior team during the nineties and early noughties began playing senior football as under-16s. So playing restricted age football should be within the grasp of all the bigger under-16s.

But I'd also have the feeling that if a club can't field an under-21 side without having to dip into their under-16 ranks, then they shouldn't be entering the tournament at all. It's not really fair to rely on children against grown men.

Nothing will happen then anyway!! They had a few good administers who can talk them out of a hole :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 21, 2010, 09:42:50 AM
PJ MC GEE new saval manager? Can anyone confirm ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on December 21, 2010, 09:49:00 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on December 21, 2010, 09:42:50 AM
PJ MC GEE new saval manager? Can anyone confirm ??

Declan Morgan left them has he?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on December 21, 2010, 12:44:44 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on December 21, 2010, 09:42:50 AM
PJ MC GEE new saval manager? Can anyone confirm ??
Yes he is, good enough appointment I reckon, experienced man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 21, 2010, 01:05:27 PM
Yes, heard Declan Morgan is now a selector in the Pete Mc Grath Minor Management team for 2011.

PJ Mc Gee is an excellent appointment for saval, not sure if he has the resources to challenge at the top but certainly will keep them in Division 1.

Any other news on the managerial front, its been pretty quiet this year??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 21, 2010, 04:13:09 PM
I heard Jonny McCumiskey is taking over Kilcoo!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 21, 2010, 05:57:02 PM
Thoughts about the panel for the year ahead...


D Alder     - great keeper but needs a chance. 2005 u21 keeeper and had great season bar the all ireland final
G McArdle  - tried and tested - not good enuf
D Gordon - has it all - just hope his head is in it from the start of the year
A Brannigan - not good enough. How many chances is he gonna have
D Rooney  - bit erratic - good passer of the ball though.  Will he stay in the team all yr tho?? i doubt it
A Carr  - Didnt get a look in last year. has a serious attitude problem when playin club footy - must have this at county too
P Fitzpatrick - a class act. showed against the big guns last year he can cut it at the top level
K King - a revelation last year and would have got all star had down won the all ireland
L Doyle - a class act - but has injuries finished him to being a bit part player?
M Poland - a true footballer and a real leader on and off the pitch
B Coulter - been there done that - still needs the medals at this level to retire in style though
P Devlin - good player - but a far cry from the underage talent he was.
J Clarke - not good enough for this level - all ireland series showed that this year
M Clarke - has it all - but head needs to be right from the start of the season
C Murdock - good keeper and had reasonable year with club. Should do well
K Anderson - transfer caused a bit of havoc for him this year - should c the real kevin this season
J Colgan - has all the talent in the world - but i know that - you know that - only prob is James also knows that - big headed
B McArdle - not good enough for this level - was found wanting at various stages throughout the season
C Laverty - too small - too light - too greedy - why did he get on in the final??????
R Sexton - at 29/30 has seen his best play behind him - needs to move on
C Maginn - class player and one for this season to establish himself
R Murtagh - done well in games when introduced this year - bit part player at best
M McCartan - didn shine in club games this year - why is he in panel
C Poland - didnt shine for his club either and another player in the colgan mould.  Will never be a Mark...
P McPolin - A great player but has a serious amount of bulking up to do for this level of football. def worth his place
D Sheerin - are you serious... Why oh why is he there.. seen him getting cleaned in division 3 this year at times and          the championship. also has been tried and tested and failed the test miserably.


players missing form panel:

Eamon Toner - Burren - has it all and has the class to be a county footballer for many years
Seamus Grant - Bridge - tight man marker and hasnt got a look in yet for some reason
Ryan Brady - Bridge - great finisher and talented player
Jason Brown - Clonduff - very talented and needds to step
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on December 21, 2010, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: alba2 on December 21, 2010, 05:57:02 PM
Thoughts about the panel for the year ahead...


D Alder     - great keeper but needs a chance. 2005 u21 keeeper and had great season bar the all ireland final
G McArdle  - tried and tested - not good enuf
D Gordon - has it all - just hope his head is in it from the start of the year
A Brannigan - not good enough. How many chances is he gonna have
D Rooney  - bit erratic - good passer of the ball though.  Will he stay in the team all yr tho?? i doubt it
A Carr  - Didnt get a look in last year. has a serious attitude problem when playin club footy - must have this at county too
P Fitzpatrick - a class act. showed against the big guns last year he can cut it at the top level
K King - a revelation last year and would have got all star had down won the all ireland
L Doyle - a class act - but has injuries finished him to being a bit part player?
M Poland - a true footballer and a real leader on and off the pitch
B Coulter - been there done that - still needs the medals at this level to retire in style though
P Devlin - good player - but a far cry from the underage talent he was.
J Clarke - not good enough for this level - all ireland series showed that this year
M Clarke - has it all - but head needs to be right from the start of the season
C Murdock - good keeper and had reasonable year with club. Should do well
K Anderson - transfer caused a bit of havoc for him this year - should c the real kevin this season
J Colgan - has all the talent in the world - but i know that - you know that - only prob is James also knows that - big headed
B McArdle - not good enough for this level - was found wanting at various stages throughout the season
C Laverty - too small - too light - too greedy - why did he get on in the final??????
R Sexton - at 29/30 has seen his best play behind him - needs to move on
C Maginn - class player and one for this season to establish himself
R Murtagh - done well in games when introduced this year - bit part player at best
M McCartan - didn shine in club games this year - why is he in panel
C Poland - didnt shine for his club either and another player in the colgan mould.  Will never be a Mark...
P McPolin - A great player but has a serious amount of bulking up to do for this level of football. def worth his place
D Sheerin - are you serious... Why oh why is he there.. seen him getting cleaned in division 3 this year at times and          the championship. also has been tried and tested and failed the test miserably.


players missing form panel:

Eamon Toner - Burren - has it all and has the class to be a county footballer for many years
Seamus Grant - Bridge - tight man marker and hasnt got a look in yet for some reason
Ryan Brady - Bridge - great finisher and talented player
Jason Brown - Clonduff - very talented and needds to step

Were it not for Aidan we probably wouldn't have made it past Offaly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 21, 2010, 10:23:55 PM
Gerard Colgan & Gary 'Husky' Farrell two men at ther helm for the reds this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 21, 2010, 10:45:12 PM
Oh indeed we would have made it past offaly without a bother... Dont get me wrong - i am a big carr supporter but his demeanour and attitude bother me - dont think he can cut it at the top level with that attitude he has...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 21, 2010, 10:46:17 PM
Colgan is a proven winner - husky is a proven mouth... gaelic or soccer alike - pure mouth piece. Lets c how he cuts it on the line next season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on December 21, 2010, 10:50:54 PM
Quote from: alba2 on December 21, 2010, 10:45:12 PM
Oh indeed we would have made it past offaly without a bother... Dont get me wrong - i am a big carr supporter but his demeanour and attitude bother me - dont think he can cut it at the top level with that attitude he has...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n897FUMIiFI
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 21, 2010, 11:45:49 PM
Scorers -- Down: M Clarke 0-5 (4f, 1'45), M Poland 0-3 (2f), A Carr 1-0, J Clarke 0-2, B Coulter, D Hughes 0-1 each.

Down: B McVeigh; D O'Hagan, D Gordon, D Rafferty; D Rooney, J Colgan, C Garvey; A Rogers, K King; A Carr, M Poland, P McComiskey; M Clarke, B Coulter, J Clarke.
Subs: D Hughes for Carr, 47; K McKernan for Colgan, 50; R Sexton for McComiskey, 55; R Murtagh for J Clarke, 63; A Brannigan for Garvey, 69.

I think if you were to read the above from the game you will notice that indeed while carr scored a goal - not only was he substituted (in what was his last appearance of the season) - but indeed were it not for M Clarke during the game with his haul of 0 - 05 we would not have won the game. Top scorer and all from placed balls. A Most important player and one who walks around with out any airs or graces about himself...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 22, 2010, 01:14:39 AM
Quote from: alba2 on December 21, 2010, 10:46:17 PM
Colgan is a proven winner - husky is a proven mouth... gaelic or soccer alike - pure mouth piece. Lets c how he cuts it on the line next season.

He won a championship with the side he managed last year so he must have something. We will see is right, could be good could be bad.

You seem to be trying to rub people up the wrong way with your posts...interesting.

...another downjim?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on December 22, 2010, 01:47:22 AM
Quote from: alba2 on December 21, 2010, 10:46:17 PM
Colgan is a proven winner - husky is a proven mouth... gaelic or soccer alike - pure mouth piece. Lets c how he cuts it on the line next season.

Really? What has he won?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 22, 2010, 08:54:21 AM
Gary "Husky" Farrell - a gentleman and a scholar. (just ask the county PRO)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 11:49:01 AM
He won an all ireland as a player and even came on in the final v Dublin in1994.  Think that is more than most have to say.  I also think its more than our whole senior panel has at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 11:57:19 AM
husky - A gentleman and a scholar - i dont think so... Rostrevor should technically be the best team in our county at present - winning those minor championships a few years back. But for some reason they cant produce it at senior level. Major turning point for this club was when they had the bridge on the ropes in Burren a few years ago in the championship and blew it for the game to end a draw - only to get stuffed in the replay.  Had they won that game and the championship - they might have tried to blood a few players in to the seniors and kept them playing.
players like sean Mackin was an unbelievable talent
Conor mackin was a great player with all ireland minor medal inhis pocket
Adrian Mackin another great player
gary Magee a great player with all ireland minor medal as well
Patrick Mooney has an all ireland medal from 05 - where is he now
Conor Magee - fantastic player who played at u21 level two seasons ago and was class
Brian cole is a great player and was very consistent this year - prob should have got senior trial
The above are only a few - but they are young and mix them in with the likes of Sean parr,
Monk Cole, Jarlath Farrell and the twin Magees and you have the makings of a great team. But Rostrevor being Rostrevor cant get them out on to the field... Husky wont change this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on December 22, 2010, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 11:49:01 AM
He won an all ireland as a player and even came on in the final v Dublin in1994.  Think that is more than most have to say.  I also think its more than our whole senior panel has at the minute.

Ahh right, so because he came on as a sub to collect an all ireland medal he will be a good manager? Makes perfect sense
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on December 22, 2010, 02:01:40 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on December 22, 2010, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 11:49:01 AM
He won an all ireland as a player and even came on in the final v Dublin in1994.  Think that is more than most have to say.  I also think its more than our whole senior panel has at the minute.

Ahh right, so because he came on as a sub to collect an all ireland medal he will be a good manager? Makes perfect sense

Mike Tyson, you are from Loughinisland. Did Colgan not manage you to 2 Championship Finals in a row. Fair enough you lost both of them, but you lost both of them to established top teams and if things had went your way you could have ended up with two wins rather than two defeats.

Going on your comments i take it you are not a fan of BIG Colgan!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 02:06:49 PM
Ahh right, so because he came on as a sub to collect an all ireland medal he will be a good manager? Makes perfect sense

You said he wasnt a winner - i just proved he was.... I never said anything about management just that he was aproven winner - proof is his medal...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on December 22, 2010, 02:15:40 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on December 22, 2010, 02:01:40 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on December 22, 2010, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 11:49:01 AM
He won an all ireland as a player and even came on in the final v Dublin in1994.  Think that is more than most have to say.  I also think its more than our whole senior panel has at the minute.

Ahh right, so because he came on as a sub to collect an all ireland medal he will be a good manager? Makes perfect sense

Mike Tyson, you are from Loughinisland. Did Colgan not manage you to 2 Championship Finals in a row. Fair enough you lost both of them, but you lost both of them to established top teams and if things had went your way you could have ended up with two wins rather than two defeats.

Going on your comments i take it you are not a fan of BIG Colgan!

He sure did, and we are extremely grateful to him for getting us to both. However we had our fair share of luck getting to both, and with a bit more tactical knowledge and common sense he would have won us the second. He also managed to get us relegated. I neither dislike or like "BIG Colgan."

Quote from: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 02:06:49 PM
Ahh right, so because he came on as a sub to collect an all ireland medal he will be a good manager? Makes perfect sense

You said he wasnt a winner - i just proved he was.... I never said anything about management just that he was aproven winner - proof is his medal...

Where did I say he wasn't a winner? We were on the subject of management, so it was only logical to assume you were talking about managerial success. Ross Carr has two All Ireland's and an allstar or two but didn't make him a great manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 02:29:35 PM
Logical - thats not what this discussion board is about.  And where did the ross carr thing come from - no one mentioned him.. However he did win promotion witha  newry club on two consecutive seasons - that same club which has been threatened with closure in the last while... they were division 2 not so long ago.  So i suppose that counts as success. Oh yeah he also won the mc kenna cup whcih is more than the current management have won.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on December 22, 2010, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 02:29:35 PM
Logical - thats not what this discussion board is about.  And where did the ross carr thing come from - no one mentioned him.. However he did win promotion witha  newry club on two consecutive seasons - that same club which has been threatened with closure in the last while... they were division 2 not so long ago.  So i suppose that counts as success. Oh yeah he also won the mc kenna cup whcih is more than the current management have won.

You've certainly made that much obvious
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on December 22, 2010, 02:55:49 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on December 22, 2010, 02:15:40 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on December 22, 2010, 02:01:40 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on December 22, 2010, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 11:49:01 AM
He won an all ireland as a player and even came on in the final v Dublin in1994.  Think that is more than most have to say.  I also think its more than our whole senior panel has at the minute.

Ahh right, so because he came on as a sub to collect an all ireland medal he will be a good manager? Makes perfect sense

Mike Tyson, you are from Loughinisland. Did Colgan not manage you to 2 Championship Finals in a row. Fair enough you lost both of them, but you lost both of them to established top teams and if things had went your way you could have ended up with two wins rather than two defeats.

Going on your comments i take it you are not a fan of BIG Colgan!

He sure did, and we are extremely grateful to him for getting us to both. However we had our fair share of luck getting to both, and with a bit more tactical knowledge and common sense he would have won us the second. He also managed to get us relegated. I neither dislike or like "BIG Colgan."

Fair enough.  Although like all of us are aware, a championship team is different to a league team, not least because County players are missing for large parts of the year. Perhaps Loughinisland found that missing Dan Gordan/Jamie O'Reilly for many games was just too much to cope with in Division 1 league football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on December 22, 2010, 02:57:32 PM
alba2 your on here running lads down i know both Aidan Carr and husky and both are good lads i have never got the impression off Aidan that he had a attitude he is a down to earth lad and i also think he was hard done by last year as for husky have played against him loads off times and he is a winner if things are not going his way he might let you no but i cant see anything wrong with that his appointment can only be good for rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 22, 2010, 05:57:48 PM
Alba2 yes what you say about rostrevor in the above post is true to an extent which many with in the club would agree with, however where you fall down is the complete non relation between this post and your original comment, which was a perosnal insult on a member of management. The fact that rostrevor haven't produced has nothing to do with Husky or any of the management this year for that matter. So I don't know where you got this rant from in terms of defending what you said about husky being a mouth piece etc. Wind your neck in and as I said stop trying to rub people up the wrong way on here. Recent influx of newbies (not all i might add) have tried to spice things up on the board, but it doesn't work as you just get disrespected straight away. Reading your posts it seems you are trying the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointlad on December 22, 2010, 06:47:35 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 22, 2010, 08:54:21 AM
Gary "Husky" Farrell - a gentleman and a scholar. (just ask the county PRO)
Ha, Yeah he really is a gentleman and a scholar after that act of thuggery in the match your talking about involving the former PRO, Should be ashamed off himself going out to hit out at the one of the main players on the oppossing team that day in the way he did without punishment from the incompetent match officials, and all just to win a championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 06:51:02 PM
super sub and super blues - im not trying to rub anyone up the wrong way at all - im only stating my opinion.  whether you agree with me or not is ur right.. I never said at any time that husky was responsible for whats happening in rostrevor now or in the past - and i never linked him to that post/rant.  I was just stating about their club with no disrespect to anyone - i have good friends in rostrevor who feel the same as i do about certain players.  I have just seen too many past club men in their club sign up for the job and fall by the way side - hopefully husky is different.  Sean Ward has had great success with Burren as a manager and he was the same type mouthy player.. Maybe Husky can do the business and prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 22, 2010, 07:01:08 PM
Alba2 I am fascinated by you naming your club as Killough? Good Newcastle league standard soccer team. Not a gaelic team as far as I am aware.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 07:09:52 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 22, 2010, 07:01:08 PM
Alba2 I am fascinated by you naming your club as Killough? Good Newcastle league standard soccer team. Not a gaelic team as far as I am aware.

And what has where im from got to do with anything... stop your slabbering.. i obviously know more about gaelic in our county than you - so butt out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 22, 2010, 07:29:15 PM
Quote from: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 07:09:52 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 22, 2010, 07:01:08 PM
Alba2 I am fascinated by you naming your club as Killough? Good Newcastle league standard soccer team. Not a gaelic team as far as I am aware.

And what has where im from got to do with anything... stop your slabbering.. i obviously know more about gaelic in our county than you - so butt out

Irony in a nutshell right there.

I am butting in as I am interested that you can name numerous individuals, and indeed to coin your phrase slabber about them from behind a pseudonym. Yet, you don't even have the balls to answer where you are from.

I imagine you will be a valuable contributor to this site :O


Incidentally I never questiones your koowledge of gaelic football, so no need for the defensive stance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 08:04:52 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 22, 2010, 07:29:15 PM
Quote from: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 07:09:52 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 22, 2010, 07:01:08 PM
Alba2 I am fascinated by you naming your club as Killough? Good Newcastle league standard soccer team. Not a gaelic team as far as I am aware.

And what has where im from got to do with anything... stop your slabbering.. i obviously know more about gaelic in our county than you - so butt out

Irony in a nutshell right there.

I am butting in as I am interested that you can name numerous individuals, and indeed to coin your phrase slabber about them from behind a pseudonym. Yet, you don't even have the balls to answer where you are from.

I imagine you will be a valuable contributor to this site :O


Incidentally I never questiones your koowledge of gaelic football, so no need for the defensive stance.

And you hide behind the same bull shit name and slabber about individuals - so at least we have something in common.... Nice to meet ya!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 22, 2010, 09:15:06 PM
Yes but there is a difference in stating your opinion and giving out personal insults on a public forum. You may learn this in time, as the lack of respect for you, which I mentioned, has started already!

Ps no one is on here to make enemies or cause dispute, but by your first number of posts it seems you are. Only saying it for your own good if you want to have your opinion valued!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 09:29:24 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 22, 2010, 09:15:06 PM
Yes but there is a difference in stating your opinion and giving out personal insults on a public forum. You may learn this in time, as the lack of respect for you, which I mentioned, has started already!

Ps no one is on here to make enemies or cause dispute, but by your first number of posts it seems you are. Only saying it for your own good if you want to have your opinion valued!

Well if your not allowed to express your opinion on the board - there aint much point to it... i only said what i thought - not the general public... only my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 23, 2010, 12:55:20 AM
Your missing the point completely, but no matter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on December 23, 2010, 06:47:10 AM
As a general rule,never say anything on the board that you wouldn't say to a mans face.that's only fair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 23, 2010, 10:33:43 AM
Quote from: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 08:04:52 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 22, 2010, 07:29:15 PM
Quote from: alba2 on December 22, 2010, 07:09:52 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 22, 2010, 07:01:08 PM
Alba2 I am fascinated by you naming your club as Killough? Good Newcastle league standard soccer team. Not a gaelic team as far as I am aware.

And what has where im from got to do with anything... stop your slabbering.. i obviously know more about gaelic in our county than you - so butt out

Irony in a nutshell right there.

I am butting in as I am interested that you can name numerous individuals, and indeed to coin your phrase slabber about them from behind a pseudonym. Yet, you don't even have the balls to answer where you are from.

I imagine you will be a valuable contributor to this site :O


Incidentally I never questiones your koowledge of gaelic football, so no need for the defensive stance.

And you hide behind the same bull shit name and slabber about individuals - so at least we have something in common.... Nice to meet ya!!!

Never have, never will.

Happy Christmas  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on December 23, 2010, 01:48:21 PM
Quote from: east down gael on December 23, 2010, 06:47:10 AM
As a general rule,never say anything on the board that you wouldn't say to a mans face.that's only fair.

:)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on December 23, 2010, 10:07:50 PM
any one else think alba2, downjim, and thegael are related  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 24, 2010, 03:29:12 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on December 23, 2010, 10:07:50 PM
any one else think alba2, downjim, and thegael are related  ::)

The trinity is an Easter celebration
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on December 28, 2010, 10:37:18 AM
PJ Magee in at Saval
DJ back at Shamrocks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 29, 2010, 05:57:28 PM
Down U-21 trial tomorrow (Thursday) in Ballymartin at 12.30pm.

Mayobridge
Ryan Brady
Conleth O'Hare
Keith Quinn

Kilcoo
Paul Devlin
Barry Kane
Ciaran McClean
Jerome Johnston

Burren
Anton Mc Ardle
Donal O'Hare   
Pauric O'Rourke
David O'Hare
Conor Toner
David Mc Entee

Clonduff
Darren O Hagan
Paul McPolin
Arthur McConville
Paul Lively
Shane McGreevy

Bryansford
David McKibben
Philip Bonny
Chris Clarke
Danny Savage

Leitrim
Rory Loughlin

Longstone
Conor Poland
Michael Ireland

Castlewellan
Fergal McLaughlin
Donal McKibbin
Paddy Boyle
Colum Devlin

An Riocht
Patrick Gartland
Paul Allen

Downpatrick
James Deeny
Neil Cunningham
Gerard Collins
Liam Kearney

Ballyholland
Robbie White
Patrick Quinn

Saval
Michael Clarke
Paul Falloon
Nial Madine

Warrenpoint
Ryan Mc Aleenan
Ross Mc Garry

Loughinisland
Ben O'Reilly
Raymond Nixon

Ballymartin
Ryan O'Hare

Shamrocks
Nial Cunningham
Paul Rafferty
Colum Heany

Tullylish
Niall Donnelly

Attical
Ronan Sloan

Glassdrumman
Connaire Harrison
Ryan Doran

Drumgath
Steven Parsons

Glenn
Niall McParland

St. Johns 
Gerard McAnulty

Carryduff
Conor McCulllagh
Declan Doherty

Dundrum
Conal Mckee

Ardglass
Malachy Crangle
Stephen Rooney

Bredagh
Sean Armstrong
Michael Magee
Donal Hughes
Cormac Hughes

Bosco
Declan Burns 
Chris Duggan

Drumaness
Brian McIlmurray
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 30, 2010, 06:48:56 PM
Anyone know if that above U21 trial went ahead today??

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 02, 2011, 05:03:02 PM
Ulster minor simi final

Kilcoo 0-14 Magherafelt 4-7.

Anyone got the result of the Bridge V Bryansford under 20 simi? Burren beat An Riocht Convincingly in the other simi.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 02, 2011, 05:35:36 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 02, 2011, 05:03:02 PM
Ulster minor simi final

Kilcoo 0-14 Magherafelt 4-7.

Anyone got the result of the Bridge V Bryansford under 20 simi? Burren beat An Riocht Convincingly in the other simi.

we won 3.8 to 0.10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on January 02, 2011, 06:33:43 PM
Louth 0-16 Down 0-11

1 Gavin Joyce

2 Eoin Costello 3 Gary McArdle 4 Colm Murray

5 J Colgan 6 K McKernan 7 Micheal McCartan

8 Declan Sheeran 9 P Fitzpatrick

10 M Clarke (1) 11 A Carr 12 B Coulter (1)

13 J Clarke 14 Joe Ireland (2) 15 M Poland (3)

16 Cathal Murdock 17 Kevin Duffin 18 Kevin Anderson
19 Liam Doyle 20 Michael Magee (1) 21 R Murtagh (3)
22 Chris Duggan 23 Paul Devlin 24 Packie Downey 25 Conor Poland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 03, 2011, 12:22:35 AM
Colm Murney *
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on January 04, 2011, 10:13:06 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 02, 2011, 06:33:43 PM
Louth 0-16 Down 0-11

1 Gavin Joyce

2 Eoin Costello 3 Gary McArdle 4 Colm Murray

5 J Colgan 6 K McKernan 7 Micheal McCartan

8 Declan Sheeran 9 P Fitzpatrick

10 M Clarke (1) 11 A Carr 12 B Coulter (1)

13 J Clarke 14 Joe Ireland (2) 15 M Poland (3)

16 Cathal Murdock 17 Kevin Duffin 18 Kevin Anderson
19 Liam Doyle 20 Michael Magee (1) 21 R Murtagh (3)
22 Chris Duggan 23 Paul Devlin 24 Packie Downey 25 Conor Poland

Nice to see Downey and Sheeran named on this panel. As I previously mentioned i thought they were two of the the best in Div 3 last year. Probably sway more towards Sheeran though. The big question I suppose is how did these lads play?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on January 04, 2011, 05:19:50 PM
Quote from: When We Win on January 04, 2011, 10:13:06 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 02, 2011, 06:33:43 PM
Louth 0-16 Down 0-11

1 Gavin Joyce

2 Eoin Costello 3 Gary McArdle 4 Colm Murray

5 J Colgan 6 K McKernan 7 Micheal McCartan

8 Declan Sheeran 9 P Fitzpatrick

10 M Clarke (1) 11 A Carr 12 B Coulter (1)

13 J Clarke 14 Joe Ireland (2) 15 M Poland (3)

16 Cathal Murdock 17 Kevin Duffin 18 Kevin Anderson
19 Liam Doyle 20 Michael Magee (1) 21 R Murtagh (3)
22 Chris Duggan 23 Paul Devlin 24 Packie Downey 25 Conor Poland

Nice to see Downey and Sheeran named on this panel. As I previously mentioned i thought they were two of the the best in Div 3 last year. Probably sway more towards Sheeran though. The big question I suppose is how did these lads play?

You couldn't judge either player really from this game.
Sheerin played just 12 minutes - he had a bit of a fitness test before the match and I think they gave him some game-time to see how he went.

Downey played the second half - he didn't have that much to do but showed for and won a few balls.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on January 05, 2011, 12:48:40 PM
How did Liam Doyle look in the game? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 06, 2011, 08:17:50 PM
How will down fare at the weekend and indeed in the season ahead???

any thoughts?

Mc Kenna cup semis would be nice, secure satus in division 1 at the expense of armagh and ulster title would be icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 06, 2011, 10:22:39 PM
an ulster title has to be the aim for the season ahead. staying in div 1 is also very acheivable but wont be easy especially with 4 away trips.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 07, 2011, 05:11:30 PM
The Irish League game between Newry and Cliftonville scheduled for tonight has just been called off, due to a frozen pitch. What are the chances of Pairc Esler, less than 500 years away from the Showgrounds, being available tomorrow ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on January 07, 2011, 05:38:44 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on January 04, 2011, 05:19:50 PM
Quote from: When We Win on January 04, 2011, 10:13:06 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 02, 2011, 06:33:43 PM
Louth 0-16 Down 0-11

1 Gavin Joyce

2 Eoin Costello 3 Gary McArdle 4 Colm Murray

5 J Colgan 6 K McKernan 7 Micheal McCartan

8 Declan Sheeran 9 P Fitzpatrick

10 M Clarke (1) 11 A Carr 12 B Coulter (1)

13 J Clarke 14 Joe Ireland (2) 15 M Poland (3)

16 Cathal Murdock 17 Kevin Duffin 18 Kevin Anderson
19 Liam Doyle 20 Michael Magee (1) 21 R Murtagh (3)
22 Chris Duggan 23 Paul Devlin 24 Packie Downey 25 Conor Poland

Nice to see Downey and Sheeran named on this panel. As I previously mentioned i thought they were two of the the best in Div 3 last year. Probably sway more towards Sheeran though. The big question I suppose is how did these lads play?

You couldn't judge either player really from this game.
Sheerin played just 12 minutes - he had a bit of a fitness test before the match and I think they gave him some game-time to see how he went.

Downey played the second half - he didn't have that much to do but showed for and won a few balls.

You would probably think that one thing which might go against the likes of Sheerin and Downey is county level fitness at this stage of the year. They need a few weeks hard training under their belt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on January 07, 2011, 09:16:17 PM
Quote from: When We Win on January 07, 2011, 05:38:44 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on January 04, 2011, 05:19:50 PM
Quote from: When We Win on January 04, 2011, 10:13:06 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 02, 2011, 06:33:43 PM
Louth 0-16 Down 0-11

1 Gavin Joyce

2 Eoin Costello 3 Gary McArdle 4 Colm Murray

5 J Colgan 6 K McKernan 7 Micheal McCartan

8 Declan Sheeran 9 P Fitzpatrick

10 M Clarke (1) 11 A Carr 12 B Coulter (1)

13 J Clarke 14 Joe Ireland (2) 15 M Poland (3)

16 Cathal Murdock 17 Kevin Duffin 18 Kevin Anderson
19 Liam Doyle 20 Michael Magee (1) 21 R Murtagh (3)
22 Chris Duggan 23 Paul Devlin 24 Packie Downey 25 Conor Poland

Nice to see Downey and Sheeran named on this panel. As I previously mentioned i thought they were two of the the best in Div 3 last year. Probably sway more towards Sheeran though. The big question I suppose is how did these lads play?

You couldn't judge either player really from this game.
Sheerin played just 12 minutes - he had a bit of a fitness test before the match and I think they gave him some game-time to see how he went.

Downey played the second half - he didn't have that much to do but showed for and won a few balls.

You would probably think that one thing which might go against the likes of Sheerin and Downey is county level fitness at this stage of the year. They need a few weeks hard training under their belt.

the main thing that will go against them is neither is good enough for county football. Neither man was head and shoulders above the rest of the players in div 3. nothing personal just a fact
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on January 08, 2011, 12:41:04 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 07, 2011, 05:11:30 PM
The Irish League game between Newry and Cliftonville scheduled for tonight has just been called off, due to a frozen pitch. What are the chances of Pairc Esler, less than 500 years away from the Showgrounds, being available tomorrow ?
If the match goes ahead tomorrow, will any of the local radio stations stream it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 08, 2011, 11:22:31 AM
Down team to face St. Marys

1. C.Murdock. 2.P.Bonny. 3.G McArdle. 4.K.Duffin.5.K.Anderson. 6.J.Colgan. 7.M.McCartan. 8.M.Magee. 9.P.Fitzpatrick. 10C.Maginn.11 A.Carr. 12C.Duggan. 13P.Devlin. 14R.Murtagh. 15.C.Poland.

Has to be the weakest lineout ive seen named from the current management but should be good enough to beat an average St Marys outfit. How some of the above are starting on a Down senior team is beyond me. Only Pete Fitz from the starting all ireland final team along with subs Murtagh and Maginn, can see more of the manistays being used against Armagh and Antrim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 08, 2011, 11:48:56 AM
I'd be of the opinion that Mayobridge would beat that Down XV quite comfortably.

It's one thing experimenting, but this isn't experimenting, it's a waste of time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 08, 2011, 11:52:57 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 08, 2011, 11:48:56 AM
I'd be of the opinion that Mayobridge would beat that Down XV quite comfortably.

It's one thing experimenting, but this isn't experimenting, it's a waste of time.

+1. Totally agree, there are players starting who would struggle to get their place on the Bridge team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on January 08, 2011, 12:18:15 PM
pitch inspection at 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 08, 2011, 12:29:56 PM
are we seriously supposed to pay £9 in to see that squad in action... Think the ulster council are a disgrace chargin that into these pre season games like.  If they charged £3 they would fill the grounds. esp next weekend with armagh in town.. and dont come back saying its your county and no price is too high to see them play - its a total rip off. we are in a recession like.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on January 08, 2011, 12:39:29 PM
Quote from: alba2 on January 08, 2011, 12:29:56 PM
are we seriously supposed to pay £9 in to see that squad in action... Think the ulster council are a disgrace chargin that into these pre season games like.  If they charged £3 they would fill the grounds. esp next weekend with armagh in town.. and dont come back saying its your county and no price is too high to see them play - its a total rip off. we are in a recession like.
+1 its a joke people need to stay away they are getting away with it far to long the country is in a mess but the gaa still insist in ripping us off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 08, 2011, 12:44:06 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 08, 2011, 11:52:57 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 08, 2011, 11:48:56 AM
I'd be of the opinion that Mayobridge would beat that Down XV quite comfortably.

It's one thing experimenting, but this isn't experimenting, it's a waste of time.

+1. Totally agree, there are players starting who would struggle to get their place on the Bridge team.

Rediculous statement. 

Firstly I dont no much about Bonny, McCartan, Magee or Duggan and to write them off without even giving them a chance is harsh in the extreme.  It is a glorified friendly against a university side and is ideal to have a look at these boys.  Yes maybe a springling of more seasoned players would be better but given that 5 out of the starting 6 defense from last year are unavailable there wasnt much choice.  Also an extra break for the bridge and burren players who got barely a months break will not do any harm.

Secondly am i missing something are have the bridge suddenly become the harlam globetrotters.  id like to no who all of that team wouldnt get near the bridge team.  The bridge wernt beating to many club teams "comfortably " last year never mind a county select all be an experimental one.

Agree with the point on the ticket prices, absolute disgrace in the current climate especially.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 08, 2011, 01:38:07 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 08, 2011, 12:44:06 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 08, 2011, 11:52:57 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 08, 2011, 11:48:56 AM
I'd be of the opinion that Mayobridge would beat that Down XV quite comfortably.

It's one thing experimenting, but this isn't experimenting, it's a waste of time.

+1. Totally agree, there are players starting who would struggle to get their place on the Bridge team.

Rediculous statement. 

Firstly I dont no much about Bonny, McCartan, Magee or Duggan and to write them off without even giving them a chance is harsh in the extreme.  It is a glorified friendly against a university side and is ideal to have a look at these boys.  Yes maybe a springling of more seasoned players would be better but given that 5 out of the starting 6 defense from last year are unavailable there wasnt much choice.  Also an extra break for the bridge and burren players who got barely a months break will not do any harm.

Secondly am i missing something are have the bridge suddenly become the harlam globetrotters.  id like to no who all of that team wouldnt get near the bridge team.  The bridge wernt beating to many club teams "comfortably " last year never mind a county select all be an experimental one.

Agree with the point on the ticket prices, absolute disgrace in the current climate especially.

Bonny couldnt make the county under 21 squad in 2010 while Duggan couldnt get his place on the team. There are many many more accomplished young players in this county and its hard to understand where these lads have caught the eye. they could prove me wrong though and play well tonight and if so fair play to them. Magee, McCartan, Duffin, Anderson and McArdle have been there before and this will be their big chance to make the league squad for the year ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 08, 2011, 02:00:53 PM
what clubs are bonny and duggan play for??  I take it they are from the lower divisions.

Has anyone seen them stand out in their respective divisions as i have never heard of them but am willing to give them a chance as james and the boys must have seen something in them or else they wouldnt be wasting their or james time!!

agree on the later ones u mentioned, if any of them are to dislodge any of last years defence then they need to make a quick and impressive start to the year.  Good chance especially for mccardle to stake a claim for the problem position.  Interesting to see if he has matured and strengthened since the last time he played for the county under ross.

IMO there are maybe only 4/5 max positions up for grabs in the championship team, corner back, full back, poss wing back, full forward and that is being extremely harsh on any of the above who played a major part in the magnificant run last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 08, 2011, 02:07:46 PM
im not saying anything about the players - just the prices to see a makeshift team.  if everyone acted with their feet and didn go to the games the gaa would have to take action. the mc kenna cup could run the risk of becomming like the interprovincial series if people will not attend... then they will have to take action.  bonny has been good underage player for the ford in recent times and did rightly this season in their run to the championship final - needs a chance - duggan is a big lump of a lad from the bosco and i suppose deserves his chance as well - but has been playing lower division footy for while now so may need a major step up to get with the pace of those around him.. devlin and poland are two players that have been talked about for a long time - lets hope they deliver from now on in. they have the talent - just need to perform on consistent basis...  Also hope devlins da stays away from the game - the man is a slabber...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 08, 2011, 02:14:13 PM
Whitegoodman you mustn't see too much football as Bonny played very well for the 'Ford in an outstanding county final. Duggan is a Bosco man AFAIK.Magee (from Ardglass) played midfield for Down in the All Ireland U21 final and played several league games under Ross.
James is right to experiment. With respect to MDG, Paul Devlin is IMO the only Kilcoo player who is fit for the senior squad so I'm glad to see him start.Colgan and Carr are class footballers but they need to get a good run to boost their confidence so again James is right.
£9 in is too much.I have a 17 year old- do the Ulster Council expect her to pay that into a glorified friendly ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 08, 2011, 02:21:02 PM
I dont remember him in the county final, was he corner back??

Also dont remember Magee getting much game time in the league under Ross, u sure about that one.

With no disrespect to James Colgen, IMO last year showed he simply doesnt have the pace for county football, lovely footballer with a lovely pass but pace in the modern game is essential.

Aidan Carr also has alot to do, i thought he did better as a wing back under his da but james seems to see him as a forward.  As a playmaker he will have his work cut to get in ahead of poland and clarke and dont seem him as a working wing forward ala danny hughes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 08, 2011, 02:41:04 PM
Eamon Toner gave Bonny the run around in the county final and IMO Bryansford have better out and out defenders in Jim Magorrian, Stephen Toner, Davy McKibben and Luke Howard.
Paul Devlin and Conor Poland impressesd in St Malachys winning schools teams but havent produced that form consistently in 2010 at club and county under 21 levels. Lets hope they can repeat that under age potential at county level this year and in the years ahead.
Chris Duggan is a big strong lad but IMO he is a far cry from a Down senior. He is currently on UUJ freshers seconds team managed by Barney McAleenan and the fact he cant nail down a place on the A team backs up my claim as well.
I think the management are experimenting with a pool of players that is too large as come the league you can bet your bottom doller that the top 24 from last year will be the players used.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 08, 2011, 02:52:04 PM
Game off tonight..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 08, 2011, 02:52:30 PM
Eamon Toner was my MOM in county final so if that is who he was marking then he certainly was given the runaround!!!!

With 5 defenders out im not sure the management have much choice other than to experiment.  Other than aidan brannigan who is fit and available to go into that defence tonight that was around last year.  Not sure if McKernan was registered for Mckenna cup as he was to be given a rest after a long season last year.

Having been at uni myself I wouldnt have much faith in being on a freshers team meaning much in terms of ability. Boys in their first year down in belfast tend to turn up for the gear and then make an odd showing at training as a social outing rather than a serious football competition as they have other committments such as the union, the bot or the hatfield.  University football only gets serious at sigerson level IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 08, 2011, 04:38:37 PM
bbc teletext-all this weekends mckenna cup matches off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 08, 2011, 04:45:26 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 08, 2011, 11:48:56 AM
I'd be of the opinion that Mayobridge would beat that Down XV quite comfortably.

It's one thing experimenting, but this isn't experimenting, it's a waste of time.

Not a waste of time in the slightest. James needs to see how these boys perform on the big stage. If we can get 2 or 3 from this selection for the NFL, then the experimenting will have been a success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on January 08, 2011, 09:17:46 PM
Quote from: alba2 on January 08, 2011, 12:29:56 PM
are we seriously supposed to pay £9 in to see that squad in action... Think the ulster council are a disgrace chargin that into these pre season games like.  If they charged £3 they would fill the grounds. esp next weekend with armagh in town.. and dont come back saying its your county and no price is too high to see them play - its a total rip off. we are in a recession like.

What was the admission price last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on January 09, 2011, 12:24:31 AM
Everyone seems to be missing the point.... with a team like that named it gives our Paddy a wee chance  ;) ... things will be tight enough with 10/15 to go, Clarke, Coulter and Mc Kernan fucked on and we win by 7 or 8.. No disgrace in the result for poor wee St Marys and Paddy... Everyone goes home happy  ;)

Its the Mc Kenna cup for f**k sake.. for bonny, duggan et al it will be the biggest game of their lives.. maybe the cynics and critics could let those lads enjoy it rather than slate them when half of you have never even seen these lads play... I wish all the young lads making their senior debuts all the best. Great to see freshness cause there is still an awful lot of dead wood still floating around that panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 09, 2011, 10:05:47 AM
i agree the panel for the senior team can change for various reasons but most important of all is the fact that no-one gets complacent and gets the idea that they are in some kind of so called comfort zone so i say go ahead and give these lads a chance-and good luck to them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on January 09, 2011, 11:12:51 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on January 07, 2011, 09:16:17 PM
Quote from: When We Win on January 07, 2011, 05:38:44 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on January 04, 2011, 05:19:50 PM
Quote from: When We Win on January 04, 2011, 10:13:06 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 02, 2011, 06:33:43 PM
Louth 0-16 Down 0-11

1 Gavin Joyce

2 Eoin Costello 3 Gary McArdle 4 Colm Murray

5 J Colgan 6 K McKernan 7 Micheal McCartan

8 Declan Sheeran 9 P Fitzpatrick

10 M Clarke (1) 11 A Carr 12 B Coulter (1)

13 J Clarke 14 Joe Ireland (2) 15 M Poland (3)

16 Cathal Murdock 17 Kevin Duffin 18 Kevin Anderson
19 Liam Doyle 20 Michael Magee (1) 21 R Murtagh (3)
22 Chris Duggan 23 Paul Devlin 24 Packie Downey 25 Conor Poland

Nice to see Downey and Sheeran named on this panel. As I previously mentioned i thought they were two of the the best in Div 3 last year. Probably sway more towards Sheeran though. The big question I suppose is how did these lads play?

You couldn't judge either player really from this game.
Sheerin played just 12 minutes - he had a bit of a fitness test before the match and I think they gave him some game-time to see how he went.

Downey played the second half - he didn't have that much to do but showed for and won a few balls.

You would probably think that one thing which might go against the likes of Sheerin and Downey is county level fitness at this stage of the year. They need a few weeks hard training under their belt.

the main thing that will go against them is neither is good enough for county football. Neither man was head and shoulders above the rest of the players in div 3. nothing personal just a fact

not really a fact at all, they were indeed head and shoulders above most others in division three but enough about thier height. Joking aside Paki Downey is a big strong mobile lad with bags of talent, he is still young and has the potential. not many can say they scored a goal in the ulster championship. as for declan sheerin, very strong and a great fielder of the ball, do no harm to have another look at him, he has matured a lot since his previous time with down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 09, 2011, 08:18:20 PM
Burren win their fifth u21 title in a row today... there is no stopping them at this level.  Most of those players wouldnt have won a thing at underage level but yet they cant be stopped at this level... was up in Burren club wishing them all the best in Ulster - they have a great facility and the lads all buy in to their programme... Heard it said - The Bridge beat this Burren team at every age level coming through underage - but i bet they would rather be in Burrens position right now... Thats two championships this year Burren have beaten the bridge in - i feel the tide is turning green and white again in our county...
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Post by: whitegoodman on January 09, 2011, 08:47:31 PM
That is quite an impressive record for burren at that level alright, alot of credit must go to sean ward for that as he seen them through them all as far as i no, a bit of an edjet on the field but has the midest touch on the line by all accounts.

Next years championship should be very interesting indeed.  Burrens winning there first title with this team will give them a massive amount of confidence and dawson will keep their feet on the ground.

Bridge will be massively up for getting the title back for the first time in 3 years and francie will want to show the county who is still top dog.  Will be interesting to see if they still have it in them to go to the next level.  Important players such as woods arent getting any younger but on his day coulter can beat teams on his own.

kilcoo will be wanting to show that they arent one hit wonders and will be sure to have any hunger that they lost from winning their first title back with a bang.  Remains to be seen if they have enough quality to give bridge and burren enough trouble.

Byrnsford will feel very unfortunate not to be the county champions and looked like they could win the final for long stages only for some strange decisions along the line.  Some very tidy players and along with kilcoo will push burren and bridge all the way.

Add to that the likes of clonduff, kingdom, stone and rostrever could beat any teams on their day...............interesting year ahead!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 09, 2011, 09:03:29 PM
Yeah big ward has been with them from the start and has had some good men with him through the years - paddy o'rourke for one, Sean O'Hare who is an excellent trainer and is taking armagh at the minute, Ronan Mc Govern has been there and done that as a player and Tony mc ardle who was also part of the senior set up this year to name but a few.  These are all good men to have about the place and can pass on their experiences to the players.
i think next years championship will be a four horse race - Burren, Kilcoo, Bridge and Ford.. these 4 teams are absolutely miles ahead of the rest in the county.  Clonduff are an accident waiting to happen at allstages - they score goals by the bagful but conceed them aplenty as well.. Kingdom need to sort out their psycho manager before they can be taking seriously - the man is a lunatic on the line and games against Burren, and Clonduff last season were a disgrace on his behalf.  Rostrevor are a strange team and should be winning all the time but cant keep the players interested - but as i have said before - maybe Colgan can get the best outta them - the stone could be dark horses if they get their act together... But the top 4 are the aforementioned...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 09, 2011, 09:22:43 PM
Massive result for Burren today, i wouldnt have took them to beat this Bridge team. I really wish Kilcoo had of entered the competition in the past two years, we had two fantastic sides on paper, would have loved to have got a crack at Burren and the Bridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 09, 2011, 09:31:59 PM
Was it because kilcoo minors were in ulster this last 2 years that they didnt enter.  Out of interest how many of the minor team from this year would get on ur under 20 team?

Would bridge and Kilcoo have been rated as the 2 top minor teams for this current under 20 age group?

Cant for the life of me understand why the ulster minor couldnt be completed at this stage, any particular reason for this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 09, 2011, 09:41:21 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 09, 2011, 09:31:59 PM
Was it because kilcoo minors were in ulster this last 2 years that they didnt enter.  Out of interest how many of the minor team from this year would get on ur under 20 team?

Would bridge and Kilcoo have been rated as the 2 top minor teams for this current under 20 age group?

Cant for the life of me understand why the ulster minor couldnt be completed at this stage, any particular reason for this?

The weather this winter is badly hindering the progress at St Pauls. Yeah Kilcoo and Bridge where top teams at minor level, Burren must have made a major improvement from the team they had 2 years ago. Kilcoo decided to give our minors priority meaning not entering the under 20 competition and IMO Darragh OHanlon, Cillian Laverty, James McClean and the 2 Johnstons would have started on our under 20 team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wavesofTORRES on January 09, 2011, 09:48:27 PM
Fair play to you alba! coming the whole way from Killough to congratulate the mighty Burren men whom you seem to be very familiar with from afar. No doubt you had a scoop or one with that other Burren diehard Clownjim (sorry Downjim), pint in one hand reproductive organ in the other (both of ye). For one with such an indepth knowledge of every other club in the county and the mental  stability of their players and management how has wee James overlooked your vast experience and not had you on board by now. Get one thing straight if this is an example of what you plan to contribute in the forthcoming season no one is interested in biased assessment in favour of your own club while taking cheap shots at members from other clubs, self praise is no praise.  Like I said before re; Downjim, a proud club like Burren and those members you have mentioned ( i know each and every one of them,personally) would cringe with embarrassment at reading your drivel. Congratulations to Burren. Kicking on from such a sound foundation is what matters, and it will benefit the county in the long run.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 09, 2011, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: wavesofTORRES on January 09, 2011, 09:48:27 PM
Fair play to you alba! coming the whole way from Killough to congratulate the mighty Burren men whom you seem to be very familiar with from afar. No doubt you had a scoop or one with that other Burren diehard Clownjim (sorry Downjim), pint in one hand reproductive organ in the other (both of ye). For one with such an indepth knowledge of every other club in the county and the mental  stability of their players and management how has wee James overlooked your vast experience and not had you on board by now. Get one thing straight if this is an example of what you plan to contribute in the forthcoming season no one is interested in biased assessment in favour of your own club while taking cheap shots at members from other clubs, self praise is no praise.  Like I said before re; Downjim, a proud club like Burren and those members you have mentioned ( i know each and every one of them,personally) would cringe with embarrassment at reading your drivel. Congratulations to Burren. Kicking on from such a sound foundation is what matters, and it will benefit the county in the long run.

welll wavesofTORRES like i have already said - this is a discussion board and i - like you - am entitled to my opinion... I am not from Burren and indeed have no relations there... I have been a proud Killough mana ll my life and will continue to be.  Just because i go to alot of football in the county and know about individual players doesnt make me an expert - nor do i pretend to be... I will leave that up to you ya slabber...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wavesofTORRES on January 09, 2011, 10:19:48 PM
You got that right! your no expert. Cant say I noticed you over around the club today. After all an interloper from Killough making a nuisance of himself  would stick out like a pound of sausages at a bar mitzvah. You've had a long day, alba/clownjim are off to bed. :-[ 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on January 09, 2011, 11:47:14 PM
Quote from: alba2 on January 09, 2011, 09:03:29 PM
Yeah big ward has been with them from the start and has had some good men with him through the years - paddy o'rourke for one, Sean O'Hare who is an excellent trainer and is taking armagh at the minute  :o, Ronan Mc Govern has been there and done that as a player and Tony mc ardle who was also part of the senior set up this year to name but a few.  These are all good men to have about the place and can pass on their experiences to the players.
i think next years championship will be a four horse race - Burren, Kilcoo, Bridge and Ford.. these 4 teams are absolutely miles ahead of the rest in the county.  Clonduff are an accident waiting to happen at allstages - they score goals by the bagful but conceed them aplenty as well.. Kingdom need to sort out their psycho manager before they can be taking seriously - the man is a lunatic on the line and games against Burren, and Clonduff last season were a disgrace on his behalf.  Rostrevor are a strange team and should be winning all the time but cant keep the players interested - but as i have said before - maybe Colgan can get the best outta them - the stone could be dark horses if they get their act together... But the top 4 are the aforementioned...

Thought that was Mike Mc Gurns job alba??

Know what they say Sean, self praise is no praise   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on January 10, 2011, 11:33:54 AM
Burren have won 5 u21 championships in a row, fairplay, thats what will be on record. In those 5 years, teams who people would have fancied for the title have not entered however. Mayobridge hadnt entered a team in that competition since 2004 before this year. I would have imagined they would have had a decent team over those years, likes of Conor Garvey and co. And Kilcoo would have had a very good team this past 2 yrs with Paul Devlin being basically the best player in his age group playing, but Kilcoo didnt enter teams into it either. Lets not forget Rostrevor won 4/5 minor championships in a row, but couldnt translate that to senior wins in following years. All this speculation of up and coming teams and young teams dominating etc is basically all BS, until they win a signifigant amount of senior championships in a row or in an era. But as I mentioned before, years from now when records are shown, it will read that Reds won 4 minor championships in a row, and Burren won 5 u21 championships in a row, and that is very very impressive. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 10, 2011, 01:56:33 PM
Thought that was Mike Mc Gurns job alba??

Know what they say Sean, self praise is no praise   ;)
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Mike Mc Gurn is the Physical Trainer of the team - O'hare takes the football stuff... Do a bit of research redandblackareback..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on January 10, 2011, 05:45:28 PM
If what i hear is correct RIP Micheala Harte and my heart goes out to John. Awful news.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on January 10, 2011, 05:58:29 PM
Yes absolutely shocking news and Puts things into perspective for some of the clowns on here..

John is a lovely fella and a great down gael and my thoughts and prayers are with both families.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on January 11, 2011, 11:35:12 AM
Heard that last night, heartbreaking stuff. Hard to imagine anything worse imo. Same thing happened to a man in our club a brave few years ago. Terrible news. RIP.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on January 11, 2011, 03:48:45 PM
it's crazy, crazy stuff, i just can't take it in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: shahrock02 on January 11, 2011, 06:46:03 PM
so so sad,god love him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on January 11, 2011, 07:15:37 PM
deepest sympathies to all involved,a shocking crime,my heart goes out to both families,wider community and of course to young John McAreavey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 12, 2011, 07:16:05 PM
Didnt i tell you we were the up and coming team.. Mayobridge are a team in decline and could not cope with our young warriers :) they know that and their management set up shows they are resigned to the fact that they are finished... Byransford will provide us with our stiffest task next year.. Kilcoo will be a threat but they are too light... the rest of the teams will be looking to stay up and it will be a war of attrition... five in a row... :) :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on January 12, 2011, 07:34:20 PM
fancy giving odds on that downjim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on January 12, 2011, 07:47:43 PM
i think people should ignore downjim he is an edjit probably not from burren people from burren have more in them especially at a time like this
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 12, 2011, 09:18:13 PM
Managers for 2011

Division 1

Mayobridge - Francie Poland
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Saval - PJ Magee
Rostrevor - Gerard Colgan
Burren - Frank Dawson
Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Clonduff - Paul Lambe
Longstone - Jody Gormley
An Riocht - Stephen Poucher

Divsion 2

Castlewellan - Liam Hardy
Liatroim -
Drumgath - Mickey Linden
Annaclone - Johnny McComiskey
Shamrocks - DJ Kane
Ballymartin - Gavin Cumiskey
Clann na Banna - Mickey Doyle
Warrenpoint - Conor Tinnelly
Loughinisland - Paul McShane
Downpatrick -

Division 3

Tullylish - Keith Farrell
Mitchels -
Darragh Cross - Pat McMahon
Bosco -
Glasdrumman - Tom Potter
St Johns - Gerard McAnulty
Ardglass - Eddie Magee
Dundrum - Paul Shields
Atticall -
Kilclief -
Carryduff - Andy Moohan
Glenn - Kieran Mooney

Division 4

Bredagh - Mick O'Callaghan
Dromara - Martin Walker, Paul Rice and Francis Burns
Teconnaught - Henry Green
Ballykinlar - Skin Hanna and DJ Morgan
Aghaderg -
Aughlisnafin -
St Pauls -
St Michaels -
Saul -
Bright -
Drumaness -
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 12, 2011, 10:12:55 PM
Clonduff - Paul Lambe
Loughinisland - Paul McShane
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on January 13, 2011, 12:19:14 AM
Tullylish - Keith Farrell
Glenn- Kieran Mooney
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on January 13, 2011, 08:51:33 AM
micky doyle is over clann na banna
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 13, 2011, 12:02:46 PM
Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 13, 2011, 12:11:15 PM
Quote from: Banana Man on January 13, 2011, 08:51:33 AM
micky doyle is over clann na banna
That should make Liatroim v. Clann na Banna  interesting  8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on January 13, 2011, 01:20:18 PM
Drumgath - Michael Linden  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on January 13, 2011, 01:50:01 PM
Does it count as cyber bullying if I say 'I think we should all ignore Clownjim's comments?'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 13, 2011, 07:39:29 PM
I think thon boy should be taken as a WUM and should be largely ignored.

A couple of questions for bridge posters on here.

Firstly is Francie going to bring a coach or is he going to do it himself.  I always seen him as more of a motivator/selector rather than a coach looking from the outside.  ( could be completley wrong on that one )

Secondly every time i watched the bridge last year i was wondering why one of the best defenders Down have got and arguable ur best defender was playing wing half forward.  Now im in no position to tell Eamon McEnaney how to manage but it just made no sense to me why Conor Garvey was not the spine of ur defence marking the best forward on the oppositing team.  I no he was injured in the championship but he came back and played at wing forward in the league final.
If he is good enough for James to put on Sean Cavanagh then surely he is good enough to put on downs best individuals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on January 13, 2011, 10:28:07 PM
Garvey has got great feet. He can take a score as good as any other Bridge forward I reckon. His undoubted definsive ability only makes his selection at half forward even better. Tackling and turning the ball over, and being more that fit to cope with an opposition attacking half back. Having said that, playing him at 12 only takes the place of an out and out forward, so you could argue 5 is his best position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 15, 2011, 03:08:06 PM
Down Team to face Armagh tonight

1. Cathal Murdock 2. Paul McPolin 3. Gary McArdle 4. Kevin McKernan 5. Kevin Anderson 6. James Colgan 7. Kevin Duffin 8. Peter Fitzpatrick 9. Declan Sheerin 10. Conor Maginn 11. Aidan Carr 12. Brendan Coulter 13. Paul Devlin 14. Ronan Murtagh 15. Martin Clarke.

Much strengthened team from the one named last week. Just shows the management dont wanna risk the trialists listed to play last week against stronger opposition. I thought it would have made sence to judge them against opposition like Armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 15, 2011, 10:01:07 PM
Positives from 2nite, carr and murtagh put their hand up for places, murdock did alright in nets, fitzpatrick was alright, bennys finishing was superb although if they are going to play him wing forward he is going to have to learn to follow his man( Armagh 2nd goal ), still unbelievable finishing for the 2nd goal and he is some threat under the high ball.

Negatives from 2nite, defence was worse than hopeless, kevin mckernan corner bacl WTF, is paul mcpolin not a corner forward.  Could aidan brannigan not have taken one of these 2 positions?  Subs added very little, lavery particular frustrating.

Ahh its only a glorifed challenge match, il try not to get too worked up about it even though it was those orange c**ts lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 15, 2011, 11:33:43 PM
Down team and scorers from tonight.

1. Cathal Murdock 2. Paul McPolin 3. Gary McArdle 4. Kevin McKernan 0-1 5. Kevin Anderson 6. James Colgan 7. Kevin Duffin 8. Peter Fitzpatrick 1-0 9. Declan Sheerin 10. Conor Maginn 0-1 11. Aidan Carr 0-3 12. Brendan Coulter 2-1 13. Paul Devlin 14. Ronan Murtagh 0-1 15. Martin Clarke 0-3.

Subs:
M Magee 0-1, C Laverty, L Doyle, C Poland and K King.

Aidan Carr had his best game in a Down jersey since 2008 tonight while Kevin Duffin done rightly. Benny and Clarke had poor opening 20 minutes but where outstanding after that. Murtagh had his moments and imo has to start this year. Maginn again flattered to decieve while our defence was all at see every time Armagh ran at us. I dont think any of the fringe players done enough to suggest they are in our top 24 players against an Armagh side minus many of their main men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 15, 2011, 11:44:03 PM
Basically agree with all of that.  None of the fringe players did themselves any favours to make the panel, could have played their way out of panel if anything.

Carr and Poland could have a great battle for the 11 jersey.  Clarke was absolutley hopeless in the first 20, as bad as i ever seen him, improved thereafter to have a big influence.

last years back 6 have nothing to worry about going by 2night but its early days
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 16, 2011, 09:52:39 AM
Biilly Joe Padden came on as a sub for Armagh. What's that all about?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on January 16, 2011, 10:40:48 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 16, 2011, 09:52:39 AM
Biilly Joe Padden came on as a sub for Armagh. What's that all about?
He looked about a stone too heavy. Was great to see Liam Doyle get a run out again and I thought Devlin showed well throughout
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on January 16, 2011, 11:50:17 AM
thought carr was down best player by far duffin had a steady game maginn i thought was good he never gaves the ball away clarke was afraid to shoot in the first 20 Min's he was taking Scoreable frees short was hard to watch but thats what makes him so good he does not let it get to him and was very good after that and him going off is probably why we lost
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on January 16, 2011, 12:54:32 PM
Ladies and gentlemen dont fret.. its the middle of january.. lot of work to do and it will be done! Come the end of May I have no doubt we ll win comfortably, there is more tactical know how in wee james left boot than there is in o rourke and his whole managerial outfit... Plus him celebrating on the line at the end when Armagh got the winning score was completely embarrassing and def over the top, he ll have some cheek to ever call himself a Down man again.  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 16, 2011, 02:01:51 PM
u r a clown

POR has done more for down football than u could ever dream of doing.  Because he celebrated a winning score he cant call himself a down man again?!?  Perhaps he is a man under pressure this year, perhaps he thinks a good positive start to the year is essential for how the rest of the year is going to go.  It was apparant that Armagh were looking at this game in a more serious light than down, hence his celebration at the end.  He has a job to do with Armagh, let him get on with it and anything he does with them shouldnt detract from what he did for down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on January 16, 2011, 02:15:40 PM
+1 well said
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wavesofTORRES on January 16, 2011, 02:43:18 PM
Thought young Devlin had a decent game has the ability for sure and will be a good addition when he develops physically. Some positives for Down but none in defense. What was the idea with McPolin at corner back? That wont work, as for Lavery I think its time to go back to the drawing board and plan without him. Re Billy Joe if he get rid of the mullet he should lose at least half a stone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 16, 2011, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: wavesofTORRES on January 16, 2011, 02:43:18 PM
Thought young Devlin had a decent game has the ability for sure and will be a good addition when he develops physically. Some positives for Down but none in defense. What was the idea with McPolin at corner back? That wont work, as for Lavery I think its time to go back to the drawing board and plan without him. Re Billy Joe if he get rid of the mullet he should lose at least half a stone.

lol noticed the mullet on billy joe myself, i wonder does he have insurance for that!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 16, 2011, 03:11:19 PM
Quote from: wavesofTORRES on January 16, 2011, 02:43:18 PM
Thought young Devlin had a decent game has the ability for sure and will be a good addition when he develops physically. Some positives for Down but none in defense. What was the idea with McPolin at corner back? That wont work, as for Lavery I think its time to go back to the drawing board and plan without him. Re Billy Joe if he get rid of the mullet he should lose at least half a stone.

Laverty made many great contributions in last years league campaign so to judge him on a wet night when he only was given 10 minutes game time and to say plan without him is a very cheap remark and assessment. Paul McPolin is not a corner back and was severly tested by the experianced Brian Mallon. He is a tenacious player but very small for a defender at this level, he has always played at half forward for Clonduff. I think the younger lads should be training with the under 21s until after their campaign and be allowed time to develop and this would also assist the under 21 management in preparation for their championship in Mid March. Then maybe bring in the best of these lads and let them work with the seniors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on January 16, 2011, 03:57:37 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 16, 2011, 02:01:51 PM
u r a clown see last line
POR has done more for down football than u could ever dream of doing.  Because he celebrated a winning score he cant call himself a down man again?!?  Perhaps he is a man under pressure this year, perhaps he thinks a good positive start to the year is essential for how the rest of the year is going to go.  It was apparant that Armagh were looking at this game in a more serious light than down, hence his celebration at the end.  He has a job to do with Armagh, let him get on with it and anything he does with them shouldnt detract from what he did for down.

Your almost certainly right that he has done more than I ever will but as a loyal supporter I am fully entitled to my opinion as much as you are. Maybe por should remember what Down done for him and the profile it give him to strike up a successful business in the county... There is respect and dignity you have when certain situations arise in the game, his celebration in last years national league final was again over the top.. maybe he should look at the way our current manager conducts himself,with respect and dignity and it was in great evidence after we beat kerry and kildare none of this fist pumping and jumping in the air which o rourke showed plenty of on the last two occassions we have met.. Unfortunately no I dont work in a circus or at childrens parties whitegoodman  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on January 16, 2011, 06:43:47 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on January 16, 2011, 03:57:37 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 16, 2011, 02:01:51 PM
u r a clown see last line
POR has done more for down football than u could ever dream of doing.  Because he celebrated a winning score he cant call himself a down man again?!?  Perhaps he is a man under pressure this year, perhaps he thinks a good positive start to the year is essential for how the rest of the year is going to go.  It was apparant that Armagh were looking at this game in a more serious light than down, hence his celebration at the end.  He has a job to do with Armagh, let him get on with it and anything he does with them shouldnt detract from what he did for down.

Your almost certainly right that he has done more than I ever will but as a loyal supporter I am fully entitled to my opinion as much as you are. Maybe por should remember what Down done for him and the profile it give him to strike up a successful business in the county... There is respect and dignity you have when certain situations arise in the game, his celebration in last years national league final was again over the top.. maybe he should look at the way our current manager conducts himself,with respect and dignity and it was in great evidence after we beat kerry and kildare none of this fist pumping and jumping in the air which o rourke showed plenty of on the last two occassions we have met.. Unfortunately no I dont work in a circus or at childrens parties whitegoodman  ;)

Catch yourself on you idiot, that is the most ridiculous comment I have read for a long long time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wavesofTORRES on January 16, 2011, 07:16:30 PM
Come off it MDG how is that a cheap shot at Lavery. I believe he is one of the most outstanding forwards in the county at club level and would love to have him at our club but I feel he has been consistently under power at county level due mainly to his natural physique. I dont think he has the body that is going to respond to endless nights in the gym, and at county level it makes a difference. Put it like this if you wer to ask me who would I like to see with the ball in hand 30 metres from goal one on one with his defender at croke park i'd say Lavery all day because he has the pace to take any defender. Alas when you get to Croker that is not a position a forward often finds himself in. I did say I liked his clubmate Devlin you can see he is a class act and has the build that will fill out to an extent that will carry him in County games.
If it comes to a choice (which i'm not saying it will be or should be) between the two i'd take Devlin it is nothing personal against Lavery or Kilcoo ( i have many relations there) but if wee James takes both I hope i'm proved wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 16, 2011, 08:59:15 PM
redandblackareback is on slabbering again - somethings just never change.. then has the nerve to say its a discussion board and has the right to thier opinion - which is what everyone has... Maybe if you check back to the Down v Kerry game you will c at the end that wee James does indeed strike a pose when the final whistle went which suggested an air of cockyness taking his hat off and opening his arms as if he were a premiership goal scorer.. is that not a celebration? I think it is.  Why wouldnt Por celebrate at the end of a national league final when the team he is in charge of wins - anyone would - you weren slabbering in 03 when he was bounding along the line during the Ulster final.. Are you just ripping that Armagh beat us again and played better football for much of the game and were missing the services of their Crossmaglen players, Stevie Mc Donnell, Ronan Clarke, Andy Mallon Ciaran Mc Keever etc.  I was very frustrated last night that when Marty went off we seemed to be very one dimensional - get the ball to Benny (high, low or whatever way possible) which is what we used to do without success. Now while the genius scored 2 - 01 himself and looked real trim and lean and showeds glimpses of serious pace - he cant do it all on his own anymore. At least Clarke offers a different dimension to  the team. Lets hope that is the only time Armagh get to celebrate this yr against our boys - but im not so sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on January 19, 2011, 01:19:16 PM
Does anyone know the date which the leagues will start on this year?

It is usually around Easter but that is a couple of weeks later than usual this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 19, 2011, 10:01:25 PM
Just in from a bloody cold Casement. Draw about fair for this friendly ( although no-one told James Colgan and Tomas Mc Cann).Aontroim were garbage in the first half and Baker Bradley must have been sleeping as Conor Lavery won 7 balls in a row.We should have been 15 points up at half-time it was that easy and clearly went to sleep in the second half. You hear rumours in the crowd of a serious heart-attack affecting a relative of squad member(s) but whatever reason we didn't turn up for the first 30 minutes of the second half (apart from an outrageous piece of chasing a lost cause by the wee man from Kilcoo who always gives 100%) and could easily have lost it bar a bit of magic from Benny and Marty. Kevin Mc Kernan is now officially barred from shooting at the Andytown Road posts .Colgan , who was one of the few defenders playing well, will miss the Mayo game but hard to get too excited about this competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 19, 2011, 10:16:43 PM
plenty of players being tried out in the mckenna cup but bar Ronan Murtagh and a fully fit Liiam Doyle and A Carr the starting 15 will remain the same.
Any word of a new sponsor and jersey yet lads
Was in O'Neills in Walkinstown last week Down jersey for 25 euro.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 19, 2011, 10:32:59 PM
Down where very impressive in the first half tonight where the direct ball in caused the saffron defence many problems. Danny Hughes was at his brilliant best while Conor Laverty proved again how effective he can be inside. He won every ball that was directed to him in the first half, showing well all the time and playing with great intelligence in creating chances for others. His pass to put Fitzpatrick through for a goal chance was sublime.
Downs second half performance was very disjointed and Colgan was missed as the organiser and leader of our defence. It seemed very harsh on him and Tomas McCann to be shown straight reds.
Antrim lead our defence on a merry dance in the second half with Kevin Niblock directing procedings and Paddy Cunningham showing uneering accuracy.
Both teams went for it at the last with play breaking down on 4 occassions before referee Higgins blew for a 0-12 apiece draw.

Down: G Joyce, P McPolin, G McArdle, K Duffin, K Anderson, J Colgan, K McKernan 0-1, P Fitzpatrick 0-1, M Magee 0-1, D Hughes 0-2, A Carr 0-1, C Maginn, C Laverty 0-1, R Murtagh 0-1, M Clarke 0-4.
Subs used: J Clarke, B Coulter, M Doran, D McCartan, D Gordan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 19, 2011, 10:54:54 PM
Thought down were decent ( no better than that) in the first half and abject in the second.

Lavery and Murtagh won every ball in the first half with Lavery particular impressive and then they get taken off in the second half when they were starved of posession.  Marty Clarke is an unbelievable player but he isnt that good that he doesnt have to follow his man up the field.  They seemed to be coming in 3's and 4's in the second half.  Carr wasnt as near impressive as last saturday.  Hughes very good in first half but quiet in second, maginn flatters to deceive again.

Could badly do with garvey, rooney and rafferty back for 2 wks saturday as we do not seem to have any backup.  Has anybody any updates on any of their injuries.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 20, 2011, 08:23:56 PM
Proposed ACMFL 2011
Division 1                                                 Division 2
An Riocht                                                  Ballymartin
Bredagh                                                     Bryansford
Burren                                                        Carryduff
Castlewellan                                               Cill Dharach
Downpatrick                                               Clonduff
Kilcoo                                                         Longstone
Rostrevor                                                    Loughinisland
Saul                                                             Mayobridge
Shamrocks                                                   Saval
Warrenpoint                                                 St Marys

Division 3                                                   Division 4
Ardglass                                                      Annaderg
Ballyholland                                                Atticall
St John Bosco                                              Cill Breachtain
Clann na Banna                                            Drumgath
Drumaness                                                    Glasdrumman
St Johns                                                         Glenn
St Pauls                                                          Mitchels
Tullylish                                                        St Josephs



Minor Football Probable Dates:
League & Championship
April    19   26
May     03    10   17
June     21    28
July      05   13    19     26
Aug     02    09    16    23    30

Minor Championship
Division 1 & 2 play in A Championship
Division 3 & 4 play in B Championship

Delighted to see an All County structure at Minor level. Ive argued on this board on numerous occasions in the past that our county needs to go all county at u-14, U-16 and Minor level.
This is a massive step in the right direction and with the Strategic Review aiming at dissolving a lot of the Divisional Board structures then it might not be too long before the 14's and the 16's will be run by the CCC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 21, 2011, 10:29:07 AM
Quote from: John Martin on January 19, 2011, 01:19:16 PM
Does anyone know the date which the leagues will start on this year?

It is usually around Easter but that is a couple of weeks later than usual this year.


Friday 15th April according to the Assistant Sec.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on January 21, 2011, 11:42:25 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 21, 2011, 10:29:07 AM
Quote from: John Martin on January 19, 2011, 01:19:16 PM
Does anyone know the date which the leagues will start on this year?

It is usually around Easter but that is a couple of weeks later than usual this year.


Friday 15th April according to the Assistant Sec.

Brilliant, I should be getting home for the first few games of the season then. Cheers for the info.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 22, 2011, 02:46:14 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 20, 2011, 08:23:56 PM
Proposed ACMFL 2011
Division 1                                                 Division 2
An Riocht                                                  Ballymartin
Bredagh                                                     Bryansford
Burren                                                        Carryduff
Castlewellan                                               Cill Dharach
Downpatrick                                               Clonduff
Kilcoo                                                         Longstone
Rostrevor                                                    Loughinisland
Saul                                                             Mayobridge
Shamrocks                                                   Saval
Warrenpoint                                                 St Marys

Division 3                                                   Division 4
Ardglass                                                      Annaderg
Ballyholland                                                Atticall
St John Bosco                                              Cill Breachtain
Clann na Banna                                            Drumgath
Drumaness                                                    Glasdrumman
St Johns                                                         Glenn
St Pauls                                                          Mitchels
Tullylish                                                        St Josephs



Minor Football Probable Dates:
League & Championship
April    19   26
May     03    10   17
June     21    28
July      05   13    19     26
Aug     02    09    16    23    30

Minor Championship
Division 1 & 2 play in A Championship
Division 3 & 4 play in B Championship

Delighted to see an All County structure at Minor level. Ive argued on this board on numerous occasions in the past that our county needs to go all county at u-14, U-16 and Minor level.
This is a massive step in the right direction and with the Strategic Review aiming at dissolving a lot of the Divisional Board structures then it might not be too long before the 14's and the 16's will be run by the CCC.
Looking forward to this, mind you we have a hell of a lot of travelling to do. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 22, 2011, 03:58:27 PM
Down v St. Marys scheduled for tonight in Newry has been cancelled and will now be played tomorrow at 2pm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 22, 2011, 04:45:02 PM
                     Down Team for Mayo

                             Gavin Joyce

Daniel Mc Cartan            Dan Gordon           Paul Mc Polin

Kevin Mc Kernan            Liam Doyle            Luke Howard
                     
                      Pete Fitzpatrick      Michael Magee

Danny Hughes                   Aidan Carr              Mark Poland

Benny Coulter                    John Clarke             Marty Clarke

I'm assuming Brendy Mc Veigh, Declan Alder, Conor Garvey, Decky Rooney, Kalum King, Paul Mc Comiskey ,Benny Mc Ardle,Ambrose Rodgers, James Colgan are all unavailable.
I would have Paul Devlin, Gary Mc Ardle, Owen Costello,Conor Laverty,Ronan Murtagh, Conor Maginn,Declan Sheeran,Kevin Anderson and Philip Bonny on the bench ( assuming it's a 24 man panel)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 22, 2011, 05:11:25 PM
Have u been at any of the matches thus far??

Have y heard what james has said about Liam Doyle

I would say it is highly unlikely that McPolin or Doyle will start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 22, 2011, 05:19:29 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 22, 2011, 05:11:25 PM
Have u been at any of the matches thus far??

Have y heard what james has said about Liam Doyle

I would say it is highly unlikely that McPolin or Doyle will start

I agree. Doyle due to start tomorrow so it will be interesting to see how he goes. McPolin is too small and rash for an intercounty defender, caused 4 or 5 of the frees that Paddy Cunningham converted on wednesday night. The lad is a forward, bit unfair playing him put of position.
We could do with Rafferty, Garvey, Rooney, McArdle, OHagan and Colgan or some of these 6 against Mayo to strengthen the defence, they are trying to get the latters red card recinded from the Antrim game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 22, 2011, 05:28:00 PM
Doyle has played 7 mins of intercounty football in 3 years and some people want him to go straight into a division 1 league match away to mayo.  He is not the same player as he was as a minor and its highly unfair on him to think that he is.

Even if those mentioned that are injured arent back for mayo (lets hope they are for our sake) then id say there would be a few named ahead of Mcpolin in the defence.  Brannigan must have done something very badly wrong to go from coming on in an all ireland final to not getting on a head of a half FORWARD in his first hear of intercounty football.  Im not his biggest fan but given our current injuries he should be in there.

Id say lavery and murtagh must be very close to a start as well, john clarke would have to perform tomorrow to get a start in Mayo and still not convinced they will start Carr
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 22, 2011, 06:17:39 PM
Yeah- this is my team - I'm pretty sure James will pick his team and youse boys can pick yours. That's what a discussion board is for.
WGM - not sure how many games of any description that you've been to- you had never heard of Bonny ( who played for the Ford in the county final) or Magee ( who played midfield for your county in an All Ireland final) and now you are able to say that Liam Doyle played precisely 7 minutes in 3 years. He played for most of the league in 2008 , played in the draw and win over Tyrone and got injured just before Armagh scored their goal in the semi-final.
He has also played plenty of senior football since minor- maybe you missed his point against Tyrone in th 03 drawn final ( score of the game ) or maybe you weren't in Ballybofey to see POR take him off in the last minute before we got a free for a left-foot kicker( which cost POR his job).
With Colgan out we need an anchor in the HB line to allow Mc Kernan forward (or play as the spare man) and Doyle is the man with the quality and brains to do that. O'Hagan is also the real deal and if he was fit I would have him in the HB line and move Howard back to corner-back instead of Mc Polin. I think Mc Polin has potential as a defender although he wasn't the only one who didn't come out in the second half against Antrim.He is not going to get on to our attack  as in addition to the players I've mentioned, Conor Poland,Aidan or John fegan and Mark Doran could also come in.Brannigan is a good club player but he is not county standard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 22, 2011, 06:21:24 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on January 22, 2011, 04:45:02 PM
                     Down Team for Mayo

                             Gavin Joyce

Daniel Mc Cartan            Dan Gordon           Paul Mc Polin

Kevin Mc Kernan            Liam Doyle            Luke Howard
                     
                      Pete Fitzpatrick      Michael Magee

Danny Hughes                   Aidan Carr              Mark Poland

Benny Coulter                    John Clarke             Marty Clarke

I'm assuming Brendy Mc Veigh, Declan Alder, Conor Garvey, Decky Rooney, Kalum King, Paul Mc Comiskey ,Benny Mc Ardle,Ambrose Rodgers, James Colgan are all unavailable.
I would have Paul Devlin, Gary Mc Ardle, Owen Costello,Conor Laverty,Ronan Murtagh, Conor Maginn,Declan Sheeran,Kevin Anderson and Philip Bonny on the bench ( assuming it's a 24 man panel)

Does anyone know how Paul McPolin has been placed at corner back? Not being funny or trying to run the lad down because I think he is an excellent player, just wondering how they found this position for him. I presume he didnt go for that position in trials being a forward!!

Also why are those players you mentioned not availabe?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 22, 2011, 06:30:29 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on January 22, 2011, 04:45:02 PM
                     Down Team for Mayo

                             Gavin Joyce

Daniel Mc Cartan            Dan Gordon           Paul Mc Polin

Kevin Mc Kernan            Liam Doyle            Luke Howard
                     
                      Pete Fitzpatrick      Michael Magee

Danny Hughes                   Aidan Carr              Mark Poland

Benny Coulter                    John Clarke             Marty Clarke

I'm assuming Brendy Mc Veigh, Declan Alder, Conor Garvey, Decky Rooney, Kalum King, Paul Mc Comiskey ,Benny Mc Ardle,Ambrose Rodgers, James Colgan are all unavailable.
I would have Paul Devlin, Gary Mc Ardle, Owen Costello,Conor Laverty,Ronan Murtagh, Conor Maginn,Declan Sheeran,Kevin Anderson and Philip Bonny on the bench ( assuming it's a 24 man panel)


i would have murtagh on for john clake, still not convinced that magee is a county midfielder. would like to see big dan out about the middle again. dont think that defence will line out against mayo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 22, 2011, 06:41:21 PM
Dubh u r on fire son, so i dont no a fella who broke through on the ford team last year fair enough so i must no nothing.  Then again im not the one who mentioned Aidan fagen, John Fagen, Mark Doran as possible selections, uve said enough, please stop for ur own sake

Ok 3 years may be an exageration but if u think any intercounty manager is going to start a fella who has been out of intercounty football for so long in such a key position ur off ur rocker.  The lad even said himself he cant complete full training sessions with the rest of the panel at times.  Give him some time, if he gets a few mins here and there in the league, gains fitness and confidence, plays CHB for the club in the league ( dont think he did this last year when he was fit to play) and comes through all of this unscathed, then he may be an option come championship time.  Some of u boys want him starting in mayo because he his name is Liam Doyle and then if he is getting a skinning in the first 20, yas rip him to shreds and say the man is finished!!!!!

Agree with u one point regarding O'Hagen, plenty of promise but think he would struggle to get into last yeard half back line IMO

Supersub those boys mentioned are all injured, nobody seems to have any info on whether they will be fit for 2 wks time though.  It likely James will have a challenge match somewhere next wk and will field a team which resembles his league team much more than tomorrows team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on January 22, 2011, 08:25:56 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 22, 2011, 06:41:21 PM
Dubh u r on fire son, so i dont no a fella who broke through on the ford team last year fair enough so i must no nothing.  Then again im not the one who mentioned Aidan fagen, John Fagen, Mark Doran as possible selections, uve said enough, please stop for ur own sake

Ok 3 years may be an exageration but if u think any intercounty manager is going to start a fella who has been out of intercounty football for so long in such a key position ur off ur rocker.  The lad even said himself he cant complete full training sessions with the rest of the panel at times.  Give him some time, if he gets a few mins here and there in the league, gains fitness and confidence, plays CHB for the club in the league ( dont think he did this last year when he was fit to play) and comes through all of this unscathed, then he may be an option come championship time.  Some of u boys want him starting in mayo because he his name is Liam Doyle and then if he is getting a skinning in the first 20, yas rip him to shreds and say the man is finished!!!!!Agree with u one point regarding O'Hagen, plenty of promise but think he would struggle to get into last yeard half back line IMO

Supersub those boys mentioned are all injured, nobody seems to have any info on whether they will be fit for 2 wks time though.  It likely James will have a challenge match somewhere next wk and will field a team which resembles his league team much more than tomorrows team.

Given that noone on this board has ever said that about Liam Doyle can i presume that you time travelled to the future?

Agree with Dubh Driocht's team with the exception of John Clarke as (in the absense of McComiskey) Murtagh does not deserve to be left on the bench
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 22, 2011, 08:35:32 PM
I wasnt talking about any board member in particular, i was talking about some of our down supporters in general given the fickle nature of alot of them.

So ur telling me u would start doyle at CHB and mcpolin at corner back then?!?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 22, 2011, 08:39:11 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 22, 2011, 08:35:32 PM
I wasnt talking about any board member in particular, i was talking about some of our down supporters in general given the fickle nature of alot of them.

So ur telling me u would start doyle at CHB and mcpolin at corner back then?!?

Or Howard at 7? His performances in the last year wouldnt merit a starting place IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 22, 2011, 08:46:01 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 22, 2011, 08:39:11 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 22, 2011, 08:35:32 PM
I wasnt talking about any board member in particular, i was talking about some of our down supporters in general given the fickle nature of alot of them.

So ur telling me u would start doyle at CHB and mcpolin at corner back then?!?

Or Howard at 7? His performances in the last year wouldnt merit a starting place IMO.


Agreed, hasnt been the same since his injury IMO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on January 22, 2011, 09:09:24 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 22, 2011, 08:35:32 PM
I wasnt talking about any board member in particular, i was talking about some of our down supporters in general given the fickle nature of alot of them.

So ur telling me u would start doyle at CHB and mcpolin at corner back then?!?

Your use of the term "yas" implied otherwise.
We are limited at the back at present, and I think under the circumstances yes they would give the team greater balance. I would like to see Colm Murney being given game time aswell
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 23, 2011, 05:08:42 PM
I cant believe some of the stuff im reading on here.
Play Liam Doyle at 6 against Mayo, Luke Howard, Colm Murney, Gavin Joyce, Mc Polin all being thrown in for good measure, did someone cry out for Timmy Hanna there a few pages back too.!!!!

Im with Shitegoodman on this one. Im not in favour of playing fellas who are clearly not matchfit or are unproven at this level. I know its the off season but lets not lose the run of oneself.

There should be enough from last years vast panel to choose a decent enough team to line out in national league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on January 23, 2011, 07:11:25 PM
I would have Murney in the squad as we haven't had a real look at him due to his involvement with UUJ. Were Colgan free to play he would be 6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on January 23, 2011, 08:15:57 PM
Anyone have a match report from today? MDG?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 23, 2011, 08:31:33 PM
Not much to report from today or not much to take out of it should i say.

St Marys were as bad a university team as i have ever seen, james and co could have learned very little from today.  Doyle played first have and looked as classy and composed as ever on the ball but when the number 13 who was playing CHF ran at him he struggled a bit which is to be expected.

Dan Gordon was at FB and him and Dan McCartan were the only starting back 6 from last year that were starting.  John Clarke scored 2 goals but none of the forwards impressed that much IMO.  Im sure MDG will post up team and scores later.

All in all id say james would be pretty disappointed with McKenna cup in terms of performance and finding new players.  Id say if he had all of last years team available for mayo he would probably play them with the exception of 1 or 2 but he is unlikely to have them all available.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 23, 2011, 08:32:11 PM
Leisurely workout against a poor and ill disciplined St Mary's team.
Dan Gordon strolled through the game in dominant form at full back with Dan McCartan tenacious throughout and full of running, popping up in the forwards for much of the second half. Alongside them Bonny had a very impressive debut in the corner.
Impressive first half from Liam Doyle - hit a couple of sublime passes and saw plenty of action.
Brannigan full of endeavour if a bit lucky to escape with a couple of dodgy tackles.
One great catch from Sheerin in midfield but then he disappeared and looked very upset when taken off in second half. Kalum was not at his best on the soft pitch but put in  a lot of work. Mark Poland was superb from start to finish and his freekicking was also superb. Younger brother Conor was a disappointment, Sexton was anonymous, Sean Murdock did not impress. John Clarke was terrific especially in first half and he helped big Packie who did improve greatly as the game went on. Mark Doran from half back was all over the field, very energetic and positive in all he did. Of the subs, Micheal McCartan stood out.
Hard to judge though against such a poor team.
While we arebuilding a bigger stand and dressing rooms, can we spare a few quid to fix that blasted PA system?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 24, 2011, 09:25:02 AM
Easy victory for Down yesterday against a very mediocre St Mary's. Very hard to assess individuals against a team so poor and with so few inter county players.

Team and scorers:
B McVeigh, D McCartan, D Gordan, P Bonny, A Brannigan, L Doyle 0-1, M Doran, K King, D Sheeran, R Sexton, S Murdock 0-2, M Poland 0-7, J Clarke 2-2, P Downey, C Poland.
Subs used: M McCartan, C Duggan, A Carr, J Boyle 0-1, R Brady.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on January 25, 2011, 10:51:54 PM
lads, trying to get a friendly organised fotr my club, wolfe tone, derrymacash.  Came 4th in armagh division 2 last year.  ideal date would be Friday 11th February(our pitch is being done up at the minute,so pitch would need floodlights.) Sunday 13th,20,27th March also possible dates.  If anyone interested or can point me in the right direction please pm me.  cheers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on January 27, 2011, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: charlie stubbs on January 25, 2011, 10:51:54 PM
lads, trying to get a friendly organised fotr my club, wolfe tone, derrymacash.  Came 4th in armagh division 2 last year.  ideal date would be Friday 11th February(our pitch is being done up at the minute,so pitch would need floodlights.) Sunday 13th,20,27th March also possible dates.  If anyone interested or can point me in the right direction please pm me.  cheers.

If it's a competitive match you are looking to match division two in Armagh then you need to be contacting Division 3 in Tyrone for that standard  ;D

Only joking. I would say there will be a few clubs on here looking to take you up on that offer. A missed opportunity on your club to enter the Ulster Intermediate League. Looking at the fixtures there is a good range of games and guaranteed matches every week!! Just what you want at this time of the year. Take the hassel out of looking. Plus it adds a bit of competitiveness to the games when you know there is a cup albeit not important at the end. Good luck in the search.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 27, 2011, 08:38:27 PM
I cannot see how in God's name Mayo will pose any problem to Down. Down will probably beat Mayo by 4/5 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 27, 2011, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 27, 2011, 08:38:27 PM
I cannot see how in God's name Mayo will pose any problem to Down. Down will probably beat Mayo by 4/5 points.
Ah... would you quit that oul shite  ;)

Down, with a more settled team than Mayo, failed to make the Dr. McKenna cup semi-final.  Whereas Mayo, who have trialled 40+ players in their Connaght League games, have won them all, and now find themselves in a pseudo semi-final v. Leitrim this weekend.  There are parrallels there to where Down were this time last year before they went to Kildare in their first league game, a game they won well.   The smart money should be on Mayo  8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 27, 2011, 09:14:27 PM
Down beating Cross 1-8 to 0-10 with 15 to go in Burren - had to leave early

Down team that started:
Brendy, Bonny, Dan, Daniel,Brannigan, Doyler, Duffin
Magee + Kalum
Maginn, Carr, Benny, John Clarke, Murtagh, MPoland

Murdock for Carr
McCartan for Daniel
McConville for Magee
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 27, 2011, 09:29:37 PM
Daniel suspected broken hand
Duffin suspected broken arm
Turns out a disastrous friendly!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 27, 2011, 09:34:04 PM
That is an absolute disaster, both of those boys would likely to be starting next wk, really down to the bare bones in defence now.  I really cant see down winning down in mayo with so many defenders out no matter how good the forward line is.

Didnt even no that match was on tonight or i would have headed to it.  Thanks for the update goldenyears, keep us updated if there is another friendly at the wkend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 27, 2011, 09:38:33 PM
Both defences got cleaned out by the forwards on show.
Down still needs lads back or need to go deeper into the well!
No M Clarke, otherwise Down v strong.
Cross didn't play Oisin, John Mac or Francie
J Clarke is a joy to watch, and Kyle Carragher was excellent!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 27, 2011, 09:44:12 PM
id expect mckernan, hughes, fitzpatrick and m clarke to come into the team for next wk but thats about it barring some of the injured players coming back.  Any updates on mccardle, rafferty, rooney or garvey.

will he play murtagh or john clarke next wk, cant see both starting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 27, 2011, 09:45:46 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 27, 2011, 09:34:04 PM
That is an absolute disaster, both of those boys would likely to be starting next wk, really down to the bare bones in defence now.  I really cant see down winning down in mayo with so many defenders out no matter how good the forward line is.

Didnt even no that match was on tonight or i would have headed to it.  Thanks for the update goldenyears, keep us updated if there is another friendly at the wkend.

Jesus our defensive cover is down to the bare bones now. We could be in trouble in Castlebar. Talk of a friendly against QUB on saturday but with these injuries tonight another friendly might now be a dodgy idea.
That leaves us with Dan Gordan (a midfielder) and Kevin McKernan (An attacking half back and not our best man marker) the only fit members of our all ireland back 6 available for Mayo game while James Colgan and Benny McArdle, two of our best defenders in last years league and early championship games, also unavailable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 27, 2011, 09:54:27 PM
Garvey did full session on back pitch with Tally + 12 others
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 27, 2011, 09:59:48 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on January 27, 2011, 09:54:27 PM
Garvey did full session on back pitch with Tally + 12 others

I meant to head over but the missus was late home. Hiw did Cross look?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 27, 2011, 10:00:54 PM
Thats one bit of good news and he might have to be thrown straight in next wk given the current crisis at the back.  May call for bringing carr back into half back line as well although dont think james fancies him as a defender.

If u hear any confirmation of that friendly MDG lets us no cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 27, 2011, 10:34:29 PM
Cross ended up winning by a point i hear. In my opinion this is a poor result considering we had a strong enough team out. Preparations for the start of the league have not been great and injuries are mounting. No new players have done enough to suggest they can improve the team from last year.This time last year prior to the Kildare game the team was in a much better position and a settled squad had been established.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 27, 2011, 10:53:32 PM
Well BC!
Hearty was excellent, saved four 1 on 1s.
Full back line got cleaned in my opinion esp Skinny
Half back line just ok
Midfield did well
Franny came good in 2nd half
Jamie + Kyle top top quality
Stephen K kicked 2 or 3 excellent points

I fancy Cross for whole thing - have done since St Galls game but that defence needs tightened, Down got in behind way too easily.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 27, 2011, 11:10:49 PM
Thanks GY. Burger reckons I could still do a job, I'm not sure I would have Jamie's finesse!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 28, 2011, 08:37:05 AM
You were never the finesse man my friend, but those talents of yours would be very handy I'd say!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on January 28, 2011, 09:27:53 AM
boys on a serious note, how fu*king good of a club team must crossmaglen be!!!! Just reading this and they beat a county team without 3 of their (Cross') big name players, albeit Down were missing a few but Down being all ireland finalists should be strong enough - that is a crazy scenario in my opinion!

How do you build up a club team to be that good that you actually challenge county teams to a friendly - unreal and fair f**king dues to them, mayb armagh should just let Cross represen them  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 28, 2011, 10:06:19 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on January 28, 2011, 09:27:53 AM
boys on a serious note, how f**king good of a club team must crossmaglen be!!!! Just reading this and they beat a county team without 3 of their (Cross') big name players, albeit Down were missing a few but Down being all ireland finalists should be strong enough - that is a crazy scenario in my opinion!

How do you build up a club team to be that good that you actually challenge county teams to a friendly - unreal and fair f**king dues to them, mayb armagh should just let Cross represen them  ;)

Not the first time either Banana man, we beat a few county teams over the year and drew with Kildare when Micko was the manager.  A lot of factors need to be brought in though, Down in the middle of pre season, we should be at our peak of fitness.  Cross have been playing as a unit for the last 4-5 months and have an understanding that Down will only be rebuilding in the new season.  Also the Cross fringe players who were on would have a point to prove.  Still a good result given the team that Down had out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on January 28, 2011, 10:22:37 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 28, 2011, 10:06:19 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on January 28, 2011, 09:27:53 AM
boys on a serious note, how f**king good of a club team must crossmaglen be!!!! Just reading this and they beat a county team without 3 of their (Cross') big name players, albeit Down were missing a few but Down being all ireland finalists should be strong enough - that is a crazy scenario in my opinion!

How do you build up a club team to be that good that you actually challenge county teams to a friendly - unreal and fair f**king dues to them, mayb armagh should just let Cross represen them  ;)

Not the first time either Banana man, we beat a few county teams over the year and drew with Kildare when Micko was the manager.  A lot of factors need to be brought in though, Down in the middle of pre season, we should be at our peak of fitness.  Cross have been playing as a unit for the last 4-5 months and have an understanding that Down will only be rebuilding in the new season.  Also the Cross fringe players who were on would have a point to prove.  Still a good result given the team that Down had out.

it's an unreal result in fairness regardless of what factors are at play the fact is it's 15 lads from one parish against 15 lads from an entire county, I know i have heard of cross playing county teams before, even Down in Newry when Carr was manager but it's only just dawned on me how good that result is
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on January 28, 2011, 10:37:20 AM
Totally agree B Man their unreal, how many county men do cross currently have??, would there be any club side in Down able to run Armagh close for talks sake?? Probably not... Maybe Burren or the Bridge.. Although I think couple of years ago Kilcoo played the Ulster Railway cup team after they won the Down championship didnt they and only lost by 8/9points?? Would I be right Mid Down Gael?? Maybe it was more not sure
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on January 28, 2011, 01:39:56 PM
Agreed Bannanaman. Ok there are factors like the point in the season each team is, Championship peaking as apposed to still finding a team, trying new players, alot of new players etc, but still comes down to the best a County has to offer vs a parish. That is incredible. I have often wondered what would happen if Cross played in Armaghs place..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 28, 2011, 07:02:03 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on January 28, 2011, 10:37:20 AM
Totally agree B Man their unreal, how many county men do cross currently have??, would there be any club side in Down able to run Armagh close for talks sake?? Probably not... Maybe Burren or the Bridge.. Although I think couple of years ago Kilcoo played the Ulster Railway cup team after they won the Down championship didnt they and only lost by 8/9points?? Would I be right Mid Down Gael?? Maybe it was more not sure

Yeah your correct on that, Kilcoo played Ulster prior to our ulster club simi final in 2009 and lost by that margin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on January 28, 2011, 07:04:15 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 28, 2011, 07:02:03 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on January 28, 2011, 10:37:20 AM
Totally agree B Man their unreal, how many county men do cross currently have??, would there be any club side in Down able to run Armagh close for talks sake?? Probably not... Maybe Burren or the Bridge.. Although I think couple of years ago Kilcoo played the Ulster Railway cup team after they won the Down championship didnt they and only lost by 8/9points?? Would I be right Mid Down Gael?? Maybe it was more not sure

Yeah your correct on that, Kilcoo played Ulster prior to our ulster club simi final in 2009 and lost by that margin.
8/9?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 28, 2011, 08:00:40 PM
Just to be pedantic lads, Down definitely won 1-14 to 1-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 28, 2011, 08:12:31 PM
2011 Setanta National League coverage

Sat Feb 5th
Armagh v Dublin
Mayo v Down

Sat Feb 12th
Tipperary v Kilkenny (Hurling)

Sat Feb 19th
Dublin v Cork
Tyrone v Donegal

Sat Feb 26th
Dublin v Kerry
Down v Armagh

Sat March 5th
Tipperary V Waterford (Hurling)

Sat March 12th
Tyrone v Antrim
Cork v Down

Sat March 19th
Down v Monaghan
Derry v Donegal

Sat April 2nd
Dublin v Down

5 of Downs National league games being broadast live on Saturday evenings.  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 28, 2011, 08:20:25 PM
Fair play to cross for putting up a great performance against down but i think some of ya may be going a bit overboard. Dont forget this cross team only beat a young and inexperienced burren team by a point.  IMO this cross team wouldnt put a patch on the cross team of old and although they are young i dont think they ever will.

As BC earlier stated there was factors which influenced the final score and at the end of the day it was a friendly match.  Again well done for producing such a result, winning or losing by a point against a county team, but lets get a bit of perspective.  Words like unreal and crazy are a bit overboard IMO.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 29, 2011, 12:00:14 PM
Think someone was askin about the challenge match v QUB today? Well it is definitely on, not sure of venue or time though. Garvey came on in 2nd half v Cross, can only be a good thing for Mayo!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 29, 2011, 01:03:08 PM
Down v Queens 6pm at the Abbey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on January 29, 2011, 05:39:59 PM
the match is in mayobridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 29, 2011, 06:40:58 PM
Was abbey earlier on never had a chance to come on and change it! Sorry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 29, 2011, 08:17:13 PM
Anybody at that match this evening? team? please no more injuries!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 29, 2011, 10:35:38 PM
Apparently:

          Murdock
Doran mcardle Howard
Maginn M McCartan C Poland
       Fitzpatrick Sheeran
Hughes.   Boyle.   S Murdock
Downey.   Magee.  M Clarke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 30, 2011, 06:50:52 PM
With all these trials and games being played - does James know his best 15 for the league game on sat night????  There must be 40 odd players have played in Mc Kenna cup and challenge games lately - it a tough job to pick 15 outta that to play against Mayo..... Any suggestions for the first team of 2011 league???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 30, 2011, 07:02:58 PM
with all the injuries and colgan suspended. my team would be;
             mc veigh

bonny    gordon   howard

carr      mckernan  garvey

  fitzpatrick     king

hughes   poland   coulter

murtagh  j clarke  m clarke 

im ready to be ridiculed!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 30, 2011, 07:06:29 PM
id say james knows his best team alright but getting to play them is a different matter!!!!

Due to injuries u could see something like the following

B McVeigh
L Howard
D Gordon
A Brannigan
C Maginn/A Carr
K McKernan
C Garvey
P Fitzpatrick
K King
D Hughes
M Poland
B Coulter
J Clarke
R Murtagh
M Clarke

Put mcginn/carr in half back line as i dont think any other fit squad member is yet fit to play at that level.  Any other suggestions welcome.

Like the forward line but wouldnt have much confidence in the defence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 30, 2011, 07:07:56 PM
sheedy we almost simultaniously posted nearly identical teams, great minds think alike lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 30, 2011, 07:16:02 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 30, 2011, 07:06:29 PM
id say james knows his best team alright but getting to play them is a different matter!!!!

Due to injuries u could see something like the following

B McVeigh
L Howard
D Gordon
A Brannigan
C Maginn/A Carr
K McKernan
C Garvey
P Fitzpatrick
K King
D Hughes
M Poland
B Coulter
J Clarke
R Murtagh
M Clarke

Put mcginn/carr in half back line as i dont think any other fit squad member is yet fit to play at that level.  Any other suggestions welcome.

Like the forward line but wouldnt have much confidence in the defence.

Either of the above are not bad teams - and like you said - the forward line has that classy look about it.. If we get the supply of ball to them the defence will take care of itself.. Carr has been going rightly lately in |CHF but we need a wing half back and he has experience there - plus M Poland is a better option at CHF than him.  Not sure abour Brannigan in corner back - loads of pace but not much ability on the ball...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 30, 2011, 07:19:26 PM
great minds think alike and all that but will wee james agree.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 30, 2011, 07:31:48 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 30, 2011, 07:19:26 PM
great minds think alike and all that but will wee james agree.

Well he might not have any option other than to agree..... he has limited resources at his disposal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 30, 2011, 07:41:57 PM



Quote from: alba2 on January 30, 2011, 07:16:02 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 30, 2011, 07:06:29 PM
id say james knows his best team alright but getting to play them is a different matter!!!!

Due to injuries u could see something like the following

B McVeigh
L Howard
D Gordon
A Brannigan
C Maginn/A Carr
K McKernan
C Garvey
P Fitzpatrick
K King
D Hughes
M Poland
B Coulter
J Clarke
R Murtagh
M Clarke

Put mcginn/carr in half back line as i dont think any other fit squad member is yet fit to play at that level.  Any other suggestions welcome.

Like the forward line but wouldnt have much confidence in the defence.

Either of the above are not bad teams - and like you said - the forward line has that classy look about it.. If we get the supply of ball to them the defence will take care of itself.. Carr has been going rightly lately in |CHF but we need a wing half back and he has experience there - plus M Poland is a better option at CHF than him.  Not sure abour Brannigan in corner back - loads of pace but not much ability on the ball...


i would be of the opinion that pace is just as vital as ball playing ability for a corner back.  Id be more worried about the other corner back more than brannigan although brannigan wouldnt be my first choice
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 30, 2011, 08:00:57 PM

i would be of the opinion that pace is just as vital as ball playing ability for a corner back.  Id be more worried about the other corner back more than brannigan although brannigan wouldnt be my first choice
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yeah it is as vital - but for intercounty players now a days - they must be comfortable on the ball and brannigan aint.  Howard is a great player and will def push for a starting place come championship time.  Now that Dan Mc Cartan is out - i dont see him getting back into the team to be honest. He will have a 6 - 8 week layoff with his hand and then the team will be going well (hopefully) and hard to change a winning formula.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 30, 2011, 08:25:21 PM
brannigan gives his all every week but imo is v rash at times and gives away alot of frees. thats why i would give young bonny a chance. agree about howard, think he is v good player but "great" might be abit strong yet. theres def places in defence for somebody to stake a claim for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 30, 2011, 08:33:59 PM
IMO howard hasnt been the same player since he injured is knee, think he may have lost a yard or 2.  Wasnt impressed with him in the fords run to the final last year.

I think Dan McCartan is a cert for the championship starting lineup for 2 reasons, a) given that the first few games in the league will have a very inexperienced defence, i dont see too many impressing and b) Dan was more often than not put on one of the oppositions better forwards last year and i cant recall him getting cleaned out once, there is no reason for him to be dropped IMO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 30, 2011, 08:56:42 PM
Jesus our defence worries me big time for the start of this division 1 campaign. To suggest lads like Bonny, Howard, Brannigan, Garvey with little game time and Gordan at 3 with only 4 or 5 games ever played in that position, could be asking too much. We really have very little back up in defence and Mayo, with a new manager will be well up for it and have some very handy forwards in the shape of Alan Freeman, Dillon, the Mortimers, Aidan OSe and Andy Moran. I think we will struggle at the back, Rafferty in particular is a big loss, our best defender last year. I think we have better defenders outside the panel in Seamus Grant, Gerard McCartan and Sean Parr.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 30, 2011, 09:00:12 PM
Has Gerard mcCartan not been given a chance at all this year? Shaun hasn't played as a back for a few years and it showed in McKenna cup last year when he was at 5.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 30, 2011, 09:12:08 PM
think gerrard mccartan and sean parr opted out this year on the back of not getting much game time last year, thats the case with gerrard mccartan anyway. He def would have had a chance of starting next wkend if he was about.

i always though grant was a half back or half foward but every time i seen the bridge he seemed to be in the full back line.  Think he needs to bulk up a bit to be able to play county football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 30, 2011, 09:15:34 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 30, 2011, 09:00:12 PM
Has Gerard mcCartan not been given a chance at all this year? Shaun hasn't played as a back for a few years and it showed in McKenna cup last year when he was at 5.

He mightened have but he is a much more accomplished half back than some of the guys getting chances. I dont think McCartan went after pulling out of squad last year although he was in uujs ranks in McKenna cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 31, 2011, 08:13:01 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 30, 2011, 08:33:59 PM
IMO howard hasnt been the same player since he injured is knee, think he may have lost a yard or 2.  Wasnt impressed with him in the fords run to the final last year.

I think Dan McCartan is a cert for the championship starting lineup for 2 reasons, a) given that the first few games in the league will have a very inexperienced defence, i dont see too many impressing and b) Dan was more often than not put on one of the oppositions better forwards last year and i cant recall him getting cleaned out once, there is no reason for him to be dropped IMO

Howard has class and you will see that this season with him and Mc Cartan wasnt cleaned out at all... 9 points in all ireland final of which he conceeded 3 frees his man scored and he also popped over 3 from play on him.  IMO thats a cleaning of the highest order.  But in previous games he did rightly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 31, 2011, 06:43:22 PM
Quote from: alba2 on January 31, 2011, 08:13:01 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 30, 2011, 08:33:59 PM
IMO howard hasnt been the same player since he injured is knee, think he may have lost a yard or 2.  Wasnt impressed with him in the fords run to the final last year.

I think Dan McCartan is a cert for the championship starting lineup for 2 reasons, a) given that the first few games in the league will have a very inexperienced defence, i dont see too many impressing and b) Dan was more often than not put on one of the oppositions better forwards last year and i cant recall him getting cleaned out once, there is no reason for him to be dropped IMO

Howard has class and you will see that this season with him and Mc Cartan wasnt cleaned out at all... 9 points in all ireland final of which he conceeded 3 frees his man scored and he also popped over 3 from play on him.  IMO thats a cleaning of the highest order.  But in previous games he did rightly.


ya may want to have another wee look at that all ireland final again.  Goulding scored 8 points including 2 45's and 4 frees of which none of them came off dan mccartan.  That leaves 2 points from play which were 2 as good as points as ur likely to see.

Go have a wee look see, go on  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on January 31, 2011, 09:27:30 PM
with all the mad signings in the PL today, who have loughinisland snapped up?  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on January 31, 2011, 10:12:45 PM
Does anyone know if the Setanta Sports channels are available in the North?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 01, 2011, 10:02:24 PM
Yes Cloneman, setanta sports is available in the 6 counties but unfortunately Setanta Ireland is not... Which channel are we on saturday? Ireland or sports?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 01, 2011, 10:07:19 PM
im near sure u can get both channels in the north, u could a while back anyway
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on February 02, 2011, 12:14:03 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on February 01, 2011, 10:02:24 PM
Yes Cloneman, setanta sports is available in the 6 counties but unfortunately Setanta Ireland is not... Which channel are we on saturday? Ireland or sports?
Setanta Ireland -->  Armagh v. Dublin
Setanta Sport  ---> Mayo v. Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 02, 2011, 06:17:09 PM
Any takers today at Down Royal?

3:15 | 1st no 4 Dundrum (B J Geraghty, 8-1 )
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 45 on February 02, 2011, 06:54:05 PM
Does any one know if Timmy Hanna is still on county panel ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 02, 2011, 07:39:07 PM
Good question, wasnt around during the mckenna cup or challenge matches, could do with a fully fit timmy hanna this wkend.

Could be injured again, talented player who seemed to be injured plagued for the last 18 months.

To answer your question, 90% sure he is not on the current panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 02, 2011, 08:17:27 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 30, 2011, 07:06:29 PM
id say james knows his best team alright but getting to play them is a different matter!!!!

Due to injuries u could see something like the following

B McVeigh
L Howard
D Gordon
A Brannigan
C Maginn/A Carr
K McKernan
C Garvey
P Fitzpatrick
K King
D Hughes
M Poland
B Coulter
J Clarke
R Murtagh
M Clarke

Put mcginn/carr in half back line as i dont think any other fit squad member is yet fit to play at that level.  Any other suggestions welcome.

Like the forward line but wouldnt have much confidence in the defence.

Could see this lineout come Sat. Team nearly picks itself considering our defensive options. If Garvey is struggling you could find the in form Colm Murney (With UUJ) being slotted in at 4 and Brannigan to 7 with Maginn likely to start at 5, mainly due to the managements favourtism. Carr would be a much better option imo. Id be of the opinion the bench will be 16. Cathal Murdock, 17. Gary McArdle, 18. Liam Doyle, 19. Kevin Anderson, 20. Conor Garvey, 21. Michael Magee, 22. Paul McComiskey, 23.Aidan Carr, 24.Conor Laverty, 25. Ronan Sexton, 26. Gerard McCartan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 02, 2011, 08:58:37 PM
was colm murney really playing midfield for UUJ the other day, he must have filled out a bit in the last year r 2.  U could see him come in alright.  Agree with ya on mcginn, james really likes him and may find a place for him in the half back line although carr would have more experience there.

Is gerrard mccartan on the down panel or are u talking about michael mccartan. Is mccumisky or garvey even fit for the bench??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 02, 2011, 09:13:07 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on February 02, 2011, 08:58:37 PM
was colm murney really playing midfield for UUJ the other day, he must have filled out a bit in the last year r 2.  U could see him come in alright.  Agree with ya on mcginn, james really likes him and may find a place for him in the half back line although carr would have more experience there.

Is gerrard mccartan on the down panel or are u talking about michael mccartan. Is mccumisky or garvey even fit for the bench??

Gerard McCartan joined the squad this week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 02, 2011, 09:29:23 PM
MDG, you're the man in the know- is Eoin Costello in the squad ?Is King fit to start ?Is Mc Comiskey anwhere near match-fit ?
I think James will recognise this as an important game and it really is a drawback to have so many first choice defenders unavailable.Like everyone else I've heard no more about Colgan's appeal so presume he is out too.I think the team from WGM/MDG team without Garvey will be close to what James picks although as Doyle is unlikely to last 70 a big decision will be whether to start him or bring him on. Their attack looks fairly strong and Aodhan O'Se is a monster despite being only 21- he had a poor year last year and I don't see anyone aggressive enough to mark him.We have seriously hard games on the road and Armagh, Monaghan and Galway will fancy their chances in Newry. Having bought a season ticket I can't go but hope to get it on Setanta if I can find a pub with a friendly Barman.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 02, 2011, 09:38:05 PM
didnt no gerrard mccartan was back on the panel, he could def be an opiton at wing back given his performances for burren last year and the lack of alternatives at the present mo.

I cant get down to the match either and am hoping to catch it on setanta myself.  Anyone no any pubs in and around newry which will definitly have setanta.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on February 02, 2011, 10:19:21 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 02, 2011, 12:14:03 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on February 01, 2011, 10:02:24 PM
Yes Cloneman, setanta sports is available in the 6 counties but unfortunately Setanta Ireland is not... Which channel are we on saturday? Ireland or sports?
Setanta Ireland -->  Armagh v. Dublin
Setanta Sport  ---> Mayo v. Down

Cheers for the replies lads. Looked into it and have subscribed. Setanta Ireland seems to be working ok.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on February 03, 2011, 12:53:35 PM
Quote from: cloneman on February 02, 2011, 10:19:21 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 02, 2011, 12:14:03 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on February 01, 2011, 10:02:24 PM
Yes Cloneman, setanta sports is available in the 6 counties but unfortunately Setanta Ireland is not... Which channel are we on saturday? Ireland or sports?
Setanta Ireland -->  Armagh v. Dublin
Setanta Sport  ---> Mayo v. Down

Cheers for the replies lads. Looked into it and have subscribed. Setanta Ireland seems to be working ok.


I see you have a big derby for your opening fixture of the season cloneman. You would have to expect a tight came there given the closeness of the games between drumgath and tullylish and annaclone and tullylish in last years championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 03, 2011, 02:06:46 PM
Does anyone know which turnstile to use for the Mayo vs Down game for season ticket holders?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on February 03, 2011, 07:27:23 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on February 03, 2011, 12:53:35 PM
Quote from: cloneman on February 02, 2011, 10:19:21 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 02, 2011, 12:14:03 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on February 01, 2011, 10:02:24 PM
Yes Cloneman, setanta sports is available in the 6 counties but unfortunately Setanta Ireland is not... Which channel are we on saturday? Ireland or sports?
Setanta Ireland -->  Armagh v. Dublin
Setanta Sport  ---> Mayo v. Down

Cheers for the replies lads. Looked into it and have subscribed. Setanta Ireland seems to be working ok.


I see you have a big derby for your opening fixture of the season cloneman. You would have to expect a tight came there given the closeness of the games between drumgath and tullylish and annaclone and tullylish in last years championship?

Its a good way to get focused for the start of the league, though we'd need to do better than last year when Banbridge hammered us in the first game.  Looking forward to it already!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on February 03, 2011, 07:28:17 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 03, 2011, 02:06:46 PM
Does anyone know which turnstile to use for the Mayo vs Down game for season ticket holders?

Turnstiles 1 and 2 according to the season ticket website.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 03, 2011, 07:31:31 PM
With Johnny McCumisky at the helm i would expect annaclone to go very close in the intermediate and league this year.  The man has a very record of getting clubs out of the 2nd division.  Should be a very tight league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on February 03, 2011, 08:28:39 PM
Down panel to be named tonyt. Anyone hear?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on February 03, 2011, 11:22:49 PM
On the down website
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 03, 2011, 11:29:23 PM
yes on website, a bit too p*ssed off with it to put it up!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on February 03, 2011, 11:32:14 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on February 03, 2011, 07:31:31 PM
With Johnny McCumisky at the helm i would expect annaclone to go very close in the intermediate and league this year.  The man has a very record of getting clubs out of the 2nd division.  Should be a very tight league

All being well his record will continue this year. It'll be a serious competitive division this year. When you look at the fixtures there ain't any easy match to be seen!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 03, 2011, 11:39:00 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on February 03, 2011, 11:29:23 PM
yes on website, a bit too p*ssed off with it to put it up!!!!!!!!


So what are you pissed off about then.........

1. Bmc Veigh
2. A brannigan
3. D Gordon
4. L Howard
5. Liam Doyle
6. K Mc Kernan
7. P Mc Polin
8. P Fitzpatrick
9. K King
10. D Hughes
11. M Poland
12. M Clarke
13. C Maginn
14. J Clarke
15. B Coulter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 04, 2011, 12:08:52 AM
Ok so pissed off may be a bit strong, who am i to tell management that took a team from nowhere to an all ireland final how to pick a team.

Anyway my gripes are 5,7,12 and 13

IMO doyle isnt ready but if they are going to play him give him a chance, play him CHB or at very worst LHB, he is prodominetly left sided and i would bet has never worn the number 5 shirt in his life before.  Some may say it is being fussy but there can be a huge difference between playing 5 and 7, it basically means he will have to go infield alot which can be dangerous coming out of defence. 

McPolin is young and im not sure if he is ready for this level having not played alot of games in defence before never mind at this level.  Maybe if he had 5 of the 6 defenders from last year beside him then that could have been the time to try him.  I would have preferred gerrard mccartan, colm murney or even mcginn or carr there if garvey wasnt deemed fit.

People may laugh when i say 12 but i say it because imo james got it perfect playing marty at 15 last year.  Invariably a corner back isnt going to be running down the field scoring points and usually concentrating on keeping his opposite number quiet.  If marty lines out at WHF it means he may have to track speedy attacking wing backs which he neither likes doing or is good at.  This imo could cause alot of damage

I would have murtagh starting in the FFL and coulter at WHF simply because i think he offers more of a threat than mcginn and there are enough ball winners around the midfield with mcginn coming out the field to add more.  It would also give benny the freedom that he thrived in last year.

Anyhow just my opinion and im prepared for the backlash lol.  Good luck to the boys down there in what will be a tough assignment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 04, 2011, 12:34:16 AM
Bonny is unlucky not to get a start in the corner ahead of Brannigan and Costello would be well worth a run there as well. It is brilliant to see Doyle back, and hopefully he is fit enough to give it a real go. McPolin is on the small side for a half back, and Carr will be disappointed that he did not make the cut either there or in the half forward line.

If we can put any sort of a defensive performance together, which is far from certain, our midfield and forward line are well up to strength. Whitegoodman should try not to lose too much sleep worrying about Marty Clarke in the meantime.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 04, 2011, 11:37:02 AM
I agree that Doyle would be better suited to the left side and also McPolin played both his McKenna cup games at Right corner back. But don't be too annoyed yet WhiteG, James will watch how its going and make any changes necessary. We all know Doyler is not fully fit so we just have to see how he does and how he lasts.

I would also have given Murtagh a shout at the corner but mostly just because he deserves a reward after his contribution last year. In terms of ability I don't think there is much between him and McGinn and I think McGinn may be a wee bit more physical.

As for Marty, Down don't play a structured attack. The principle is to play full throttle in the HF line, so wing forwards switch regularly with the corner forwards to give rest times. That will continue so it is irrelevant the number on the back of the man. Last year we had the most fluid attack in the country.

Overall James has put out the strongest team possible. It will be good to see if Barnnigan, McPolin, Doyler, or Howard can make a case for a starting place. I have high hopes for Howard, Think Brannigan is too rash but may learn, and we all know Doyler was pure class - can he recover it????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 04, 2011, 12:55:13 PM
Heard G McCartan in for Doyle and McComiskey for Maginn?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2011, 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 04, 2011, 12:55:13 PM
Heard G McCartan in for Doyle and McComiskey for Maginn?

Yes that is correct. Team Is:

1.   Brendan McVeigh   (An Ríocht)
24. Gerard Mc Cartan ( Boireann )
3.   Dan Gordon   (Loch an Oileáin)
4.   Luke Howard   (Áth Bhriain)
2. Aidan Brannigan ( Cill Chua
6.   Kevin McKernan   (Boireann)
7.   Paul McPolin   (Cluain Dáimh)
8.   Peter Fitzpatrick   (Baile Mhairtín)
9   Kalum King   (Áth Bhriain)
10.   Daniel Hughes   (Sabhaill)
11.   Mark Poland   (Cloch Fhada)
12.   Martin Clarke   (An Ríocht)
17. Paul Mc Comiskey (Dun Dromara )
14.   John Clarke   (An Ríocht)
15.   Brendan Coulter   (Droichead Mhaigh Éo)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on February 04, 2011, 01:36:26 PM
 ???  so presumably the two lads pulled up with injuries at training last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on February 04, 2011, 04:34:02 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2011, 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 04, 2011, 12:55:13 PM
Heard G McCartan in for Doyle and McComiskey for Maginn?

Yes that is correct. Team Is:

1.   Brendan McVeigh   (An Ríocht)
24. Gerard Mc Cartan ( Boireann )
3.   Dan Gordon   (Loch an Oileáin)
4.   Luke Howard   (Áth Bhriain)
2. Aidan Brannigan ( Cill Chua
6.   Kevin McKernan   (Boireann)
7.   Paul McPolin   (Cluain Dáimh)
8.   Peter Fitzpatrick   (Baile Mhairtín)
9   Kalum King   (Áth Bhriain)
10.   Daniel Hughes   (Sabhaill)
11.   Mark Poland   (Cloch Fhada)
12.   Martin Clarke   (An Ríocht)
17. Paul Mc Comiskey (Dun Dromara )14.   John Clarke   (An Ríocht)
15.   Brendan Coulter   (Droichead Mhaigh Éo)

Have Dundrum & Dromara amalgamated MDG ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2011, 06:55:06 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on February 04, 2011, 04:34:02 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 04, 2011, 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 04, 2011, 12:55:13 PM
Heard G McCartan in for Doyle and McComiskey for Maginn?

Yes that is correct. Team Is:

1.   Brendan McVeigh   (An Ríocht)
24. Gerard Mc Cartan ( Boireann )
3.   Dan Gordon   (Loch an Oileáin)
4.   Luke Howard   (Áth Bhriain)
2. Aidan Brannigan ( Cill Chua
6.   Kevin McKernan   (Boireann)
7.   Paul McPolin   (Cluain Dáimh)
8.   Peter Fitzpatrick   (Baile Mhairtín)
9   Kalum King   (Áth Bhriain)
10.   Daniel Hughes   (Sabhaill)
11.   Mark Poland   (Cloch Fhada)
12.   Martin Clarke   (An Ríocht)
17. Paul Mc Comiskey (Dun Dromara )14.   John Clarke   (An Ríocht)
15.   Brendan Coulter   (Droichead Mhaigh Éo)

Have Dundrum & Dromara amalgamated MDG ???

The county website thinks so anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 04, 2011, 11:54:41 PM
Tomorrow is a relatively big game for us, as realistically it is one of the fixtures we need to target if we are going to stay in division one. If we lose in Castlebar, it will be hard to pick up any more points on the road in Cork, Kerry and Dublin. That would mean probably getting three wins out of three at home to avoid the drop, which is asking a lot.

It is all set up for Mayo, with a new manager taking over a talented squad which has underachieved over recent seasons and will be bursting to get at the AI finalists, who are not yet anywhere close to hitting top gear.

We are capable of both conceding and scoring a few goals tomorrow, although the forecast of rain does not help us, so we fortunate that our half forwards are all able to drop deep and push forward on the break.

It should be a decent match, and in other circumstances the performance might be more important than the result, but we could really do with getting at least a point on the board.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 05, 2011, 03:47:36 AM
Dont think a Point will be enough to win it Mourne Rover, Mayo are capable of scoring
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on February 05, 2011, 09:12:57 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on February 05, 2011, 03:47:36 AM
Dont think a Point will be enough to win it Mourne Rover, Mayo are capable of scoring
;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on February 05, 2011, 11:09:53 PM
We ended up lucky to get a draw in a game that for a long time looked like we would win easily.

Still it is good to get a point to start of the league.

I thought we got cleaned out in MF, bit like the All Ireland again.

Thought we were weak at the back with only Dan and Luke Howard impressing.

Up front they all had there moments, but still think that John Clarke is missing a bit of pace for this level.

Still not a bad start as i think our team will get better as the summer goes on and we are playing on harder pitches.

Of the new guys compared to last year, i would say only L Howard really helped himself today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 06, 2011, 01:15:04 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on February 05, 2011, 11:09:53 PM
We ended up lucky to get a draw in a game that for a long time looked like we would win easily.

Still it is good to get a point to start of the league.

I thought we got cleaned out in MF, bit like the All Ireland again.

Thought we were weak at the back with only Dan and Luke Howard impressing.

Up front they all had there moments, but still think that John Clarke is missing a bit of pace for this level.

Still not a bad start as i think our team will get better as the summer goes on and we are playing on harder pitches.

Of the new guys compared to last year, i would say only L Howard really helped himself today.

Agree with the overall tone of what you say but there were some plus points as well as some telling deficiencies:

McVeigh (7 out of 10) Generally solid but lack of variation in kivckouts is an issue
GMcCartan (7) Thought he did well, especially in first half.
D Gordon (6) He is not comfortable at full back and we badly need him at midfield.
L Hoawrd (8) An impressive return to the team
A Brannigan (7) Doubts about him at this level but did OK and had to foul his man which led to booking as the house was down
K McKernan (4) A shocker - all over the house - cleaned out by two different players - much of his passing was awful. Can't be this bad again. Not his position as he's just too loose.
P McPolin (6) A game debut, didn't shirk some tough challenges, but went to sleep a number of times. Looks to have potential.
K King (4) Nightmare, looked well off the pace, lacked nothing in spirit bt against a classy midfield we were obliterated.
Fitzpatrick (6) Played in fits and starts but looked unfit.
Hughes (8) A very big effort from start to finish, pity he spent so much of the second half too deep to be a scoring threat.
Poland (8) Very industrious and positive. His awful sideline back pass that led to the equlaiser appeared to have come about when Tally directed him to back pass when he was clearly looking to find Murtagh who was in a great forward position - silly option. (Come to think of it Tally was on the pitch so much he should have had a number on his back - why do we need this?)
M Clarke (8) Loads of class, covered the pitch from goal to goal and keen in the contest - balanced by some slack and wayward shooting.
McComiskey (7) A very good return to the team, looked a little slow to the ball dropped by the goalkeeper that could have yielded a goal and bad wide near the end but in the team to stay.
J Clarke (5) A poor mark for someone who scored 1-1 but Benny made the goal and while he started well John just looked too slow for most of the match.
Coulter (9) Our star man again, involved in everything positive, although less effective when put into midfield in the second half - he's needed on the 40.
Subs
C Maginn (6) A good contribution and a very good and important point.
R Murtagh (6) Pushing for a starting place after today.
C Murney - not on long enough.

But.... D McCartan, D Rafferty, D Rooney, Colgan, Ambrose, Doyle, O'Hagan,  - all options later in the season to give us plenty of hope.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 06, 2011, 01:17:36 PM
Some glitch in previous post so hope this corrects it:

L Hoaward (7) An impressive return to the team
A Brannigan (7) Doubts about him at this level but did OK and had to foul his man which led to booking as the house was down
K McKernan (4) A shocker - all over the house - cleaned out by two different players - much of his passing was awful. Can't be this bad again. Not his position as he's just too loose.
P McPolin (6) A game debut, didn't shirk some tough challenges, but went to sleep a number of times. Looks to have potential.
K King (4) Nightmare, looked well off the pace, lacked nothing in spirit bt against a classy midfield we were obliterated.
Fitzpatrick (6) Played in fits and starts but looked unfit.
Hughes (8) A very big effort from start to finish, pity he spent so much of the second half too deep to be a scoring threat.
Poland (8) Very industrious and positive. His awful sideline back pass that led to the equlaiser appeared to have come about when Tally directed him to back pass when he was clearly looking to find Murtagh who was in a great forward position - silly option. (Come to think of it Tally was on the pitch so much he should have had a number on his back - why do we need this?)
M Clarke ( 8) Loads of class, covered the pitch from goal to goal and keen in the contest - balanced by some slack and wayward shooting.
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Post by: whitegoodman on February 06, 2011, 01:30:18 PM
Agree with a lot of what u say there leo, thought that was the worst mckernan ever played for down, kicked numerous placed balls to the opposition and gave alot of free kicks away, he is a classy player but were do u play him as he struggles to mark, tackle and concentrate, 3 things that are essential for a CHB.

Also thought  midfield were destroyed and whole team seemed to run out of steam in second half which isnt something i would be too worried about at this time of year.  Think J Clarke is going to come under serious pressure from murtagh who seems far more direct than dangerous.  It seems harsh to criticise a man who score 1 1 but thats the way it is.

Disagree with u on dan gordon, thought he had o'shea in his pocket and is growing into the position but as u say until ambrose is fit he may need to be drafted out to midfield as we are struggling there at the min.

Also was mcpolin not on andy moran, who was outstanding, baptism of fire for the lad but hopefully he will learn from the experience.
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Post by: Highlander3 on February 06, 2011, 01:31:55 PM
Leo agree with nearly everything you say

Thou did think you scored Gordon a bit low, his height means that we dont panic under every high ball that goes in, but i do agree we badly need him in MF as well.

I would like to see A Carr get a run out over the next few games, i think he can give us some options
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Post by: Mike Tyson on February 06, 2011, 03:46:37 PM
Can't understand why Dan wasn't moved out to the middle yesterday or in the AIF. He's the best midfielder in the county so would make sense to play him there. McPolin was on Moran yea, but thought he did fine for someone used to playing CHF for his club
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Post by: Mourne Rover on February 06, 2011, 09:44:02 PM
It's a long way to Castlebar and the journey home would have been a nightmare if we had lost - which looked a certainty with ten minutes left - after dominating two thirds of the game. However, the whole match showed the appeal of a team with talent and flaws in almost equal measure.

Our early goal was extremely fortunate, but they followed up with a first point which was at least a yard wide and a second which came when Benny was pushed in the back and the ref gave a free against him for what was presumably a handball as he fell to the ground.   

Our passing was a joy to watch at times, although we will have to learn how to mix short and long balls if we are to trouble top class opposition. We really should have had four goals by the break, and the points in the bag, but McComiskey's flick across goal after a brilliant run was intercepted, while Benny was right through after shrugging off a rugby tackle only for the ref to insist on giving the free.

The second half collapse was a huge concern, and proved that we need a fully fit Ambrose if we are going to push on this summer, but we still had the better chances in the dying minutes.

We have to assume that McVeigh was under instructions to hit his kick-outs down the middle, but Mayo must have won about ten of them in a row and we really need to look at finding men on the wing or taking the odd short one. McVeigh's handling was impressive and he also punched a brilliant clearance under huge pressure.

McCartan was very steady in the corner without getting centrally involved in the play, while Howard, after missing two years with a cruciate, got better and better as his confidence returned. Dan was generally commanding, apart from one horror pass to a Mayo forward whcih led to a point, and, despite the debacle at midfield, must stay put.

McKernan, as several people have mentioned, had a very ropey first half, hitting three consecutive frees straight to Mayo players, and never managing his forward runs, although his positional play improved later. McPolin has ability, and made one outstanding block before the break, but is on the small side for a defender. The big surprise for many of us was Brannigan, who, apart from his booking, never put a foot wrong and had his best game for Down by some distance.

Either big Kalum was wearing the wrong size of shorts or a few pounds may have slipped on over the winter. He was way off the pace throughout, although we know what he is capable of doing when his fitness returns. Fitzpatrick worked hard, and made a couple of effective runs in the closing stages, but did not seem to take a single clean catch all night.

Marty was breath-taking in parts, and is the best kick passer in the country, but occasionally takes the wrong option, such as the long range shot at the end which drifted wide when a run or a pass could hardly have failed to get a point. Poland is a brilliant all-round footballer, apart from the late sideline ball backwards, on Paddy Tally's instructions, which led to a vital Mayo score. Hughes was probably the man of the match, getting up and down tirelessly and hitting two fantastic points, and he has much more in the tank.

John Clarke is also a workhorse, even if he was caught for pace by Higgins, and 1-1 from play was a decent return. The other two full forwards, Benny and McComiskey, did not score but tortured their opponents throughout and were thinking a step ahead from start to finish.

Maginn looked good as good as ever when he came on, while Murtagh was unfortunate that our midfield wipe-out meant that he saw very little of the ball. Murney was a very late sub, and, even if he did not get a run, it was great to see Doyle actively involved in the warm-up.


   

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 07, 2011, 01:05:12 AM
Good post Mourne Rover - at least you clearly were at the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on February 07, 2011, 07:30:01 AM
McVeigh (7 out of 10) Generally solid but lack of variation in kivckouts is an issue
Criticising an Allstar Goalkeeper,who more than did enough sat night! Not Mcveighs fault if the midfield isn't up to it!

J Clarke (5) A poor mark for someone who scored 1-1 but Benny made the goal and while he started well John just looked too slow for most of the match.
I don't seem to understand posters problems with JC, 1-1 is a great return for a forward that "lacks pace" coulter may have made th goal, but did it not have to be finished?
   
A Brannigan (7) Doubts about him at this level but did OK and had to foul his man which led to booking as the house was down
7? this a joke, consistent fouling led to many frees in dangerous areas, too rash in th tackle, not up to county standard

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 07, 2011, 10:25:43 AM
Midfield is a huge problem. I agree we have a star midfielder playing at fullback. I agree that he needs to be moved forward to midfield leaving the problem of who should play at fullback. What I don't understand is people's solutions. Why is everyone looking to find another defender to go in there? Presuming Dan moves forward and replaces Fitzpatrick or King (I'd prefer he replaces King) then why don't we just employ the replaced player at fullback? Just swap King for Gordon, King is an excellent catcher when the ball is coming straight at him and is good at getting rid of it to another red shirt, after that as a footballer he is limited. Isn't that the definition of a good fullback? Gordon's main strength at fullback is to nullify the aerial threat around the square, wouldn't King also do that. King's problem is the way opposition midfield's vary the location of the kick out so he isn't just catching in a small area. So why look for another fullback on the bench surely we have one on the field?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 07, 2011, 11:26:27 AM
Doom and gloom is all I read !! If we d went to Mayo this time last year and got a draw we d have been doing cartwheels folks!! Lets be a bit more upbeat, Galway at home which is a shoe in 2 points and also Armagh at home the same, although would have preferred to play them at Fortress Athletic Grounds  ;D
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Post by: EagleLord on February 07, 2011, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 07, 2011, 10:25:43 AM
Midfield is a huge problem. I agree we have a star midfielder playing at fullback. I agree that he needs to be moved forward to midfield leaving the problem of who should play at fullback. What I don't understand is people's solutions. Why is everyone looking to find another defender to go in there? Presuming Dan moves forward and replaces Fitzpatrick or King (I'd prefer he replaces King) then why don't we just employ the replaced player at fullback? Just swap King for Gordon, King is an excellent catcher when the ball is coming straight at him and is good at getting rid of it to another red shirt, after that as a footballer he is limited. Isn't that the definition of a good fullback? Gordon's main strength at fullback is to nullify the aerial threat around the square, wouldn't King also do that. King's problem is the way opposition midfield's vary the location of the kick out so he isn't just catching in a small area. So why look for another fullback on the bench surely we have one on the field?

At least when Dan Gordon plays at 3 he is composed on the ball and moves it forward, to a red shirt, starts attacks, thats a modern full back. Not just clear your lines stuff, thats breed of full back went away 10years ago now, more. Look at any good football team, and they will have man whos quick, does the simple thing and is composed on the ball, comfortable carrying it, started with Seamus Moynahan and Kerry. Conor Garvey would be an ideal full back, he's played there for the bridge many many times. But I know he is not happy to play at 3, he would rather be attacking more like at half back. And rightly so, he's well capable of it. King at 3 would be a disaster I think, if I were an opposition manager, I would just put my quickest forward at 14, King would be badly outdone for pace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on February 07, 2011, 01:06:17 PM
As always. good posts from Leo and Mourne Rover.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 07, 2011, 01:56:31 PM
redandblackareback, I totally agree with you. I've been standing in the muck in rain sodden fields watching us play in the lower divisions and playing like we belonged there for years. It is an amazing treat to be back in the big time. We are lucky to be experiencing this sudden change in fortune for our county. many recent converts don't understand where we've come from. We have a young team still trying to establish themselves as one of the top contenders, we should be happy if we can just retain our place in Division 1. But you cannot help but see the enormous potential and the simple fact that we have a team that right now is in fact good enough to put it up to anyone in the country. And for all the praise they deserve, there is no doubt that midfield is and has been a problem. Yes it is great to be here but you can't just accept that as being enough, the boys want to push for more and rightly so. But Yes, I'll be happy just to avoid relegation, that will certainly be good progress.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on February 07, 2011, 01:58:12 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on February 07, 2011, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 07, 2011, 10:25:43 AM
Midfield is a huge problem. I agree we have a star midfielder playing at fullback. I agree that he needs to be moved forward to midfield leaving the problem of who should play at fullback. What I don't understand is people's solutions. Why is everyone looking to find another defender to go in there? Presuming Dan moves forward and replaces Fitzpatrick or King (I'd prefer he replaces King) then why don't we just employ the replaced player at fullback? Just swap King for Gordon, King is an excellent catcher when the ball is coming straight at him and is good at getting rid of it to another red shirt, after that as a footballer he is limited. Isn't that the definition of a good fullback? Gordon's main strength at fullback is to nullify the aerial threat around the square, wouldn't King also do that. King's problem is the way opposition midfield's vary the location of the kick out so he isn't just catching in a small area. So why look for another fullback on the bench surely we have one on the field?

At least when Dan Gordon plays at 3 he is composed on the ball and moves it forward, to a red shirt, starts attacks, thats a modern full back. Not just clear your lines stuff, thats breed of full back went away 10years ago now, more. Look at any good football team, and they will have man whos quick, does the simple thing and is composed on the ball, comfortable carrying it, started with Seamus Moynahan and Kerry. Conor Garvey would be an ideal full back, he's played there for the bridge many many times. But I know he is not happy to play at 3, he would rather be attacking more like at half back. And rightly so, he's well capable of it. King at 3 would be a disaster I think, if I were an opposition manager, I would just put my quickest forward at 14, King would be badly outdone for pace.
Might be at least worth trying out at training. Other defensive qualities King has are his quick reflexes and  his ability to disposes his opponent.
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Post by: whitegoodman on February 07, 2011, 06:43:27 PM
The idea of Kalum King at full back does not stand up in my opinion.  He lacks pace and the idea of him marking any of the 6 cork, kerry or Tyrone forwards has me saying my prayers.  King was outstanding for the majority of last year (all ireland final excluded) and provides a great foil for a full fit attacking ambrose.  The lad isnt yet fully fit and given a couple more wks should be back to his best.....at midfield.

Besides Dan has been performing admirable at full back at is currently our best option there imo.

The lack of variation with the kickouts are more of a worry and i would blame management and goalkeeper 50/50.  Management should have a backup plan if as has been things are going well at midfield such as short kickouts and kickouts to the wing but mcveigh should also have the ability as an "all star" to see that things arent going well and take it upon himself to vary things to take the pressure off the 2 in the middle.

However as someone previously said, if someone said to me this time last year that we just drew with mayo in castlebar missing 4 regulars at the back and having come off the back of an all ireland final, i would be and am happy enough with that.
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Post by: thewobbler on February 08, 2011, 02:09:18 PM
I don't think there is such a thing left as a genuine full back. The game doesn't allow it. If you actually have an athlete able to cover all angles aerial and on the ground, he would be wasted at full-back.

Eagle Lord's generalisation about them having to be a ball player in the modern game started and ended with Seamus Moynihan. Who only played there because Kerry had no other options.

There are two outstanding old-style full backs in Ulster in the shape of McMahon and Donaghy.  Powerful, decisive, strong in the air, safe hands. But McMahon, in particular, is moved out the field when he's placed against a player who just doesn't suit his game. Mickey Harte isn't daft enough to leave McMahon in a foot race against on onslaught of low, direct ball.

And I'd suggest that this is what Down's management (and supporters) have to learn. Gordon was excellent in the Championship last year at full-back, largely because he kept finding himself against taller, less mobile players - who he could dominate or, at worst, spoil. He though got ruined completely in the 2nd half against Cork because he didn't have the right combination of defensive experience and pace to either get in front of O'Connor, or to apply enough physicality to stop O'Connor getting in front. Cork became very aware of this at the start of the 2nd half, and exposed him to the point that at least half of Cork's scores came directly as a result of early low ball into O'Connor.

What McCartan should have done (and trust me, this isn't a pop at McCartan, this is a realisation I've had since the day), was either put a proper defender like Rafferty on O'Connor, or instructed McKernan to monitor the space in front. Or preferably, both. This might have opened up other avenues for Cork, but it would at least have closed off the one they were intent on pursuing.

Bearing this in mind, Gordon (or King, or even Colgan) is a very real option for full-back in a lot of games. As good as you can get. But sometimes you need to just put a warrior in that position, someone who relishes dirty defending. Down are hardly replete with defensive warriors, but Gordon would be well down the list. There's more than a few full-forwards who don't need 6' 3" worth of shepherding.


The lack of variation in kick-outs is perhaps a bigger issue. I've watched McVeigh enough times for the Kingdom to know that he can vary them up, and very accurately too. So it would appear to be orders from above; territory is more important than possession from restarts. But the two losses Down suffered last year, against Tyrone and Cork, were largely attributable to an inability to win their own kick-outs. Down's midfielders - whether it's Rogers, King, Gordon or Fitzpatrick - do seem to favour a clean catch to a clean break, which doesn't help. But the goalkeeper and management have to sometimes say enough is enough in that regard.
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Post by: EagleLord on February 08, 2011, 02:37:32 PM
That brings up the mark rule in my mind again then Wobbler. The 4 players you mentioned prefer to catch the ball, rather than break, and rightly so. They are well-equipped to catch clean ball, and its a magnificant sight, which should be rewarded. Otherwise in midfield all you're going to have are spoilers. Cant think for the life of me why they got rid of the rule.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 08, 2011, 02:42:18 PM
I don't believe in the mark rule. It lends itself to playing tall gombeens in midfield rather than footballers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on February 08, 2011, 03:31:34 PM
Disagree. Takes a fare amount of athletisism to catch a high ball in the middle. Its gombeens as you call them that just break it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on February 08, 2011, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on February 08, 2011, 03:31:34 PM
Disagree. Takes a fare amount of athletisism to catch a high ball in the middle. Its gombeens as you call them that just break it.

+1 Have to agree with Eagle Lord, it's a dying art and should be rewarded
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Post by: thewobbler on February 08, 2011, 04:53:03 PM
Gents, I'll change my position slightly. Football is a game in which wee men and big men do battle on an even playing field. Having a mark gives the big men an unfair advantage. An athletic wee one won't out catch an athletic big men.
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Post by: downjim on February 08, 2011, 05:30:56 PM
King was clearly unfit and he should not have played!!! Our management was slow to make decisions again!!! yes they have to be applauded for were we are at the minute but the same problems are creeping in again!!! Why does our centre half forward be taking frees in corner back in the second half..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on February 08, 2011, 06:37:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2011, 04:53:03 PM
Gents, I'll change my position slightly. Football is a game in which wee men and big men do battle on an even playing field. Having a mark gives the big men an unfair advantage. An athletic wee one won't out catch an athletic big men.

You posted earlier that there is no such thing anymore as a genuine full back. I think the same applies to midfielders now. Apart from Cork last year most top teams don't have big fellas in midfield anymore. Tyrone have not had a genuine midfielder in the old style since Plunket Donaghy in my opinion and have still managed to win three All-Irelands. Anyone over 6 3" usually struggles with the pace in the wider spaces of the bigger pitches and their contribution in catching that used to warrant a place has been nullified by the modern tactics of breaking the ball and crowding them if they do catch it. Obviously, in the old days all free kicks were taken off the ground and the requirement for big fielders to be on the end of them was more obvious.

I can see your point about a level playing field, but I believe the shape of Gaelic football players has become more generic now. Rugby caters for the tall, the fat and the athletic in different positions. I am not suggesting Gaelic football ever accommodated the fat, albeit some candidates do spring to mind,  but it used to accommodate a wider range of frames, including the taller build. The days of the taller less mobile bruisers is at an end, save for some exceptions.

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Post by: whitegoodman on February 08, 2011, 06:44:23 PM
Wobbler u made some very good points there particular regarding the all ireland final tactics and the varying of mcveighs kickouts. 

However to suggest that either king or colgen could do the same job as dan at number 3 doesnt add up imo.  Last year colgen wasnt deemed quick enough to play CHB and now ur talking about playing him further back against invariably quicker and more dangerous opposition.  He couldnt mark a man out the field last year and I think it would be a train wreck to play at 3.  A lovely footballer with a lovely pass but if he is going to play it has to be as the spare man in front of the full back line as per the majority of last year.  If not, dont play him in my opinion.

Dan has been doing a good job at 3 and i would leave him alone there but a possible alternative would be declan rooney who would provide height, athletism, some sort of turn of pace and experience in the position having played there under ross.

Agree with u on the mark, u want to see it go watch rugby or aussie rules.  To apply it to gaelic football takes away from the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 08, 2011, 09:43:01 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on February 07, 2011, 07:30:01 AM
McVeigh (7 out of 10) Generally solid but lack of variation in kivckouts is an issue
Criticising an Allstar Goalkeeper,who more than did enough sat night! Not Mcveighs fault if the midfield isn't up to it!

J Clarke (5) A poor mark for someone who scored 1-1 but Benny made the goal and while he started well John just looked too slow for most of the match.
I don't seem to understand posters problems with JC, 1-1 is a great return for a forward that "lacks pace" coulter may have made th goal, but did it not have to be finished?
   
A Brannigan (7) Doubts about him at this level but did OK and had to foul his man which led to booking as the house was down
7? this a joke, consistent fouling led to many frees in dangerous areas, too rash in th tackle, not up to county standard

Only getting back to this post now but when I saw this I said "Ah, someone from the Kingdom" - then I noticed your club afiliation in the title. Kilkeel was always a good wee town for wearing the blinkers. Oh, and the anti-Kilcoo bias as well. Good night Ned.
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Post by: Leo on February 08, 2011, 09:48:39 PM
Interesting point whitegoodman - "but a possible alternative would be declan rooney who would provide height, athletism, some sort of turn of pace and experience in the position having played there under ross" -

I'd take Rooney in that position now even though he was not convincing under Ross's term. He's a much bigger player now, quite under-rated in my view, and has most attributes for this position. I'd be happy enough with McKeran in the RHB position as long as the management take him in hand a bit  - so that leaves CHB and the hope that Doyle is on a genuine comeback. If not, Garvey would be a solid no.6 with Duffin or Howard on the other wing. We would then have good competition for places in midfield, maybe even to the extent that we could play Ambrose from the 40.
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Post by: whitegoodman on February 08, 2011, 09:59:44 PM
I too think that mckernan could be moved to the wing but he needs to be told what his primary responsibility is, defend first and attack when the chance comes along.  Garvey seems to be able to know when to do this and although I see McKernan as a better natural footballer, id currently have Garvey ahead of him.

I thought Rooney was quietly impressive last year.  I think his natural position is CHB, he did a great job on Pearce O'Neill there in the final and thats were id play him.  He was also very impressive there during his first year under ross in the league before being moved back to full back to accommadate Brendan Grant at CHB in the championship.  I feel that when King gets fitter he will be an ideal foil for a fit attacking ambrose with fitzpatrick putting pressure on both of them which would allow u to keep Dan at full back.  A spine of Gordon, Rooney, Ambrose, Clarke, Coulter has height, athletism and class written all over it.
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Post by: PAULD123 on February 09, 2011, 08:25:55 AM
I don't agree WhiteGoodman, King or Colgan are easily fast enough to cover a guy over a limited space. Full forwards have less room to move in than half forwards. If your really worried about your full back being drawn out then you play the zonal system where the full back only follows so far and then hangs back to defend his area.  The forward then runs into congestion. Down used this system exactly in the 2005 all-ireland minor final with Garvey as full back. It totally stopped Mayo getting anywhere near shooting within 25 yards of goal area.

But in General how far does a full forward sprint? 10-15 yards or so from the edge of the square? A half forward may be moving 20-30 yards in a run (Marty runs up to 50 at a time). So just cause you can't track a man at HB doesn't mean you can't track one at FB. King has no problem tracking people in midfield.

Midfield, Full Forward and Full back are interchangeable positions and many many top teams have moved players around these positions. Connor Deegan won two All-Irelands in both positions. But I would also be happy with Rooney tried in there.
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Post by: No hoper on February 09, 2011, 12:19:37 PM
Any word on how the under 21s are getting on. Have they a chance off getting far this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 09, 2011, 01:16:53 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 09, 2011, 08:25:55 AM
I don't agree WhiteGoodman, King or Colgan are easily fast enough to cover a guy over a limited space. Full forwards have less room to move in than half forwards. If your really worried about your full back being drawn out then you play the zonal system where the full back only follows so far and then hangs back to defend his area.  The forward then runs into congestion. Down used this system exactly in the 2005 all-ireland minor final with Garvey as full back. It totally stopped Mayo getting anywhere near shooting within 25 yards of goal area.

But in General how far does a full forward sprint? 10-15 yards or so from the edge of the square? A half forward may be moving 20-30 yards in a run (Marty runs up to 50 at a time). So just cause you can't track a man at HB doesn't mean you can't track one at FB. King has no problem tracking people in midfield.

Midfield, Full Forward and Full back are interchangeable positions and many many top teams have moved players around these positions. Connor Deegan won two All-Irelands in both positions. But I would also be happy with Rooney tried in there.


Connor Deegan, Cormac McAnallan, Justy McMahon and to a lessor extent Dan Gordon and possibly Declan Rooney have the athletism and versatility to move from midfield to full back but i dont see this in either King or Colgen.

The idea that u dont need some sort of pace in the full back line is just plain wrong in my eyes.

If u would be happy seeing king or colgen line up against donaghy, o'neill or mcdonald or clarke for that matter then fair enough !!!
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Post by: spiritof91and94 on February 09, 2011, 04:09:23 PM
would king not be a better option in full forward  - all this talk of him in full back is a waste of time, it wont happen.. think the way he caused havoc in the 2010 county final on the edge of the square should tell you all about his full forward potential. Our number 14 is more of a concern than any other position on the team and has been for a while.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 09, 2011, 07:03:52 PM
Completly agree with that.  In fact i thought it was the moving of king from full forward out to midfield which lost the ford the final.  He would be an absolute handful for any full back to deal with, even if it were for 15/20 mins.

I think CHB is our most concern at the minute, Ronan Murtagh has done more than enough to be given a shot at full foward for the coming league games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 09, 2011, 08:59:42 PM
midfield is an obvious concern but so is the inabilaty of our half forwards and half backs to win any break balls. our full forward line was completly starved of possesion in 2nd half against mayo. the moving of benny to midfield also robbed our forward of the 1 player who could win his own ball. martin clarkes comments in his newspaper column saying he dreamed of being back in australia when he seen the size of the crowd, the state of the pitch etc etc moan moan also has people thinking is his heart really in it. what do you expect marty its febuary in mayo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 10, 2011, 02:33:41 PM
The Marty Clarke column has been taken out of context. How many people read the original text????

The article was about being tired and frustrated at the end of a disappointing result. Asked do you miss Australia, Clarke was saying that at that moment he did, but by the time he'd calmed down and was back in Newry he didn't. Overall it was a positive article about actually deeply wanting to be here playing for Down. He was saying that despite all these things that someone could obviously say in support of him being in Oz he was in the end happy to be here. The comment that he wished he was over there is intended to show immediate frustration and how immediate frustration eventually fades. The final line is that when a boy in Newry asked the same question his answer was now "No I don't".

As for questioning his commitment. Anyone who saw him running the length of the pitch to tackle then racing back up to start an immediate attack in the McKenna cup, let alone the league would have no reason to question his commitment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on February 10, 2011, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 09, 2011, 08:59:42 PM
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. martin clarkes comments in his newspaper column saying he dreamed of being back in australia when he seen the size of the crowd, the state of the pitch etc etc moan moan also has people thinking is his heart really in it. what do you expect marty its febuary in mayo.
???  did you even read the article in full?  Or see the context it was written in?
I am amazed at the negative spin you have chosen to put on it  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 10, 2011, 08:15:16 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 10, 2011, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 09, 2011, 08:59:42 PM
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. martin clarkes comments in his newspaper column saying he dreamed of being back in australia when he seen the size of the crowd, the state of the pitch etc etc moan moan also has people thinking is his heart really in it. what do you expect marty its febuary in mayo.
???  did you even read the article in full?  Or see the context it was written in?
I am amazed at the negative spin you have chosen to put on it  ::)
i did read the article in full several times to see did i miss something but i have to say im still disappointed with some of the comments. marty clarke is a brilliant footballer, who i hope to see in a down jersey for many years to come, but i dont see the need to criticise another counties facilities or the size of the crowd. as for the comments being said in the heat of the moment after the match, they appeared in his own column 3 DAYS after the match. mayo is a county that has suffered more than most from the recession and not every down fan can afford to travel across the country on a saturday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on February 10, 2011, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 10, 2011, 08:15:16 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 10, 2011, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 09, 2011, 08:59:42 PM
...l
. martin clarkes comments in his newspaper column saying he dreamed of being back in australia when he seen the size of the crowd, the state of the pitch etc etc moan moan also has people thinking is his heart really in it. what do you expect marty its febuary in mayo.
???  did you even read the article in full?  Or see the context it was written in?
I am amazed at the negative spin you have chosen to put on it  ::)
i did read the article in full several times to see did i miss something but i have to say im still disappointed with some of the comments. marty clarke is a brilliant footballer, who i hope to see in a down jersey for many years to come, but i dont see the need to criticise another counties facilities or the size of the crowd. as for the comments being said in the heat of the moment after the match, they appeared in his own column 3 DAYS after the match. mayo is a county that has suffered more than most from the recession and not every down fan can afford to travel across the country on a saturday.
So you still don't get it  :o  That is okay. I suppose we all see what we want to see.
Your post is quite ironic considering the footer to all your posts: "Nil Satis Nisi Optimum"  (nothing but the best is good enough).  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 10, 2011, 10:36:12 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 10, 2011, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 10, 2011, 08:15:16 PM
Quote from: western exile on February 10, 2011, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 09, 2011, 08:59:42 PM
...l
. martin clarkes comments in his newspaper column saying he dreamed of being back in australia when he seen the size of the crowd, the state of the pitch etc etc moan moan also has people thinking is his heart really in it. what do you expect marty its febuary in mayo.
???  did you even read the article in full?  Or see the context it was written in?
I am amazed at the negative spin you have chosen to put on it  ::)
i did read the article in full several times to see did i miss something but i have to say im still disappointed with some of the comments. marty clarke is a brilliant footballer, who i hope to see in a down jersey for many years to come, but i dont see the need to criticise another counties facilities or the size of the crowd. as for the comments being said in the heat of the moment after the match, they appeared in his own column 3 DAYS after the match. mayo is a county that has suffered more than most from the recession and not every down fan can afford to travel across the country on a saturday.
So you still don't get it  :o  That is okay. I suppose we all see what we want to see.
Your post is quite ironic considering the footer to all your posts: "Nil Satis Nisi Optimum"  (nothing but the best is good enough).  ;)
we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. everyone wants the best but i dont see the need to be disrepectful. wether its intended or not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 11, 2011, 12:32:53 PM
It's no wonder GAA players don't like being interviewed, when the GAA masses are sitting ready to pick holes and paint pictures in everything that's said.

There's many a GAA folk would be happier watching 15 flawless robots than a team of living, breathing humans.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 11, 2011, 06:03:13 PM
Wobbler, you're right
I've said it before about MC.
F the begrudgers
(of whom there are many - everywhere)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 11, 2011, 09:50:03 PM
Wel done to St Colmans on defeating The Abbey this evening in the McCrory Quarter Final. The Abbey would have won if they had a few decent forwards, they owned the ball at times but still lost heavily. College just had to show glimpses to get over the finish line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on February 11, 2011, 10:15:32 PM
Abbey fans were an absolute disgrace throwing bottles at the st colmans supporters.... I know the college lads retaliated but they are only human.  One lad hurt in the crowd - a disgrace.....   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 11, 2011, 10:30:28 PM
Quote from: alba2 on February 11, 2011, 10:15:32 PM
Abbey fans were an absolute disgrace throwing bottles at the st colmans supporters.... I know the college lads retaliated but they are only human.  One lad hurt in the crowd - a disgrace.....

Sounds unsavoury.. What was the score?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointlad on February 11, 2011, 10:52:25 PM
Quote from: alba2 on February 11, 2011, 10:15:32 PM
Abbey fans were an absolute disgrace throwing bottles at the st colmans supporters.... I know the college lads retaliated but they are only human.  One lad hurt in the crowd - a disgrace.....
Abbey fans were a disgrace? no-one seem to remember last years Hogan Cup final were flares were thrown on the pitch? a few arrested? and Paul Galvin was verbally abused for the whole match by the "Blue Army"  that was a disgrace not a bottle or whatever happened in the stand tonight, what ever it was the Abbey ones were cleared intimidated by them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 12, 2011, 09:58:56 AM
St Colemans 3-6 Abbey 0-5

Scoreline does not do the Abbey justice. They dominated possession for long periods but where so wasteful in attack. Shot selection was their main problem trying to end good moves shooting from impossible angles. And the less said about the two gifts to St Colemans for first half goals the better. Shea McArdle (St Colemans) and Gerard McGovern (Abbey) where the two most impressive players on view imo, two great talents who dont get the credit that some of their peers get regulary. Tony McGreevy, Ryan Johnston and Mooney also had their moments for St Colemans.
In relation to the crowd trouble, i have to say as a neutral that St Colemans fan club where a disgrace, behaviour like that is not the Gaa way. The odd Abbey fan got involved which was wrong but that college crowd would do your head in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 12, 2011, 04:44:44 PM
not the first time st colmans fans have been involved in unsavoury incidents.. the staff have a responsibility here too.. the culprits must be identified and punished.. terrible behaviour at a gaa match terrible and no room for it either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on February 12, 2011, 05:21:03 PM
Sounds like its getting a bit more like a soccer match crowd. I've seen them before chanting and singin etc. Not the GAA way atall.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 12, 2011, 07:00:03 PM
bunch of aul farts with no life giving out about young fellas singing a few songs.
obviously dont go to many college games, they have been singing and chanting since i was there in the 80's a bit of craic.
dont condone bottle throwing, but get a life ffs.
well done VHC lets go all the way again

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on February 12, 2011, 08:36:15 PM
I have no problem with bit of craic and the songs and that.. but throwing bottles by the Abbey ones was the part where it became dangerous.  some teachers did step in and relolved the scene before it got outta hand.. Abbey were good last night but didnt have the finishers up front.. so much good work went to waste and the ball came back down the pitch time and again.  goals win games is an old phrase - summed up this game though...  Dont think college are as strong as last season - but should give it a good rattle from here on in...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 13, 2011, 01:41:06 AM
The fans (pupils) of both these schools have in the last few years been competing in the rush to the bottom of the behavioural pit, a sad commentary on thier parents, teachers and environment, and  more in common with the growing embrace of English soccer loutism rather than true GAA sportsmanship.
And doesn't the pompous self-regarding reference to St Colman's College as "the college" just sum up the bombasticc nature of the whole thing
Apart from spasms of incidental football it was a bad reflection on our future prospects at Pairc Esler last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on February 13, 2011, 07:18:49 AM
i can remember games in the 1970s between the schools and there were some nasty stone- throwing incidents between a few the so-called supporters,we should not bury our heads in the sand and pretent it never happened.Both head-teachers should be called to an Ulster Colleges meeting to explain their views on what took place  and what action they plan to take,  and how it can be prevented in the future.I advocate stern action,if this had been a club game in our county{as has happened in the distant past-where stern measures were taken where players, officials and teams were banned],then these few louts can learn something valuable outside the classroom.There have been many games played between the same teams over the years and have passed off without incident-so why not now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: On The Side on February 13, 2011, 09:11:45 AM
having played in lots of abbey v st colmans games always remember the tightness off the games and coming off the field realising what you had knocked your s***e out for the previous few months. great occasions. been on both sides of the result. any young fella on the pitch for both sides on friday night can hold their head up. pricks in the stand making trouble are just there to fill up an evening. parents, staff, family and true mates that where there would appreciate the effort off the young fellas on show. giving up their hours on top off the pressure off exams etc. family and proper friends realising their commitment. thats the gaa way!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 13, 2011, 03:00:30 PM
Quote from: Leo on February 13, 2011, 01:41:06 AM
And doesn't the pompous self-regarding reference to St Colman's College as "the college" just sum up the bombasticc nature of the whole thing

Are you for real Leo?
Catch yourself on man. St Colmans College Newry has always been known as The College.
Idiotic comment, and ever so dramatic
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on February 13, 2011, 03:55:07 PM
Has anyone a list of the Down senior football captains since 1960???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto Man on February 13, 2011, 04:52:37 PM
I have never read so much anti St Colmans tripe in all my life, obviously written by some extremely envious Abbey past pupils, or Abbey sympathisers, who are eternally jealous of the Colleges history and tradition, standing proud at the top of the MacRory Roll of Honour with 18 titles compared to the Abbey's 5 titles (only titles won on the field count).

You are right Leo, to call St Colmans College by the name 'The College' would be the same as calling Abbey Christian Brothers Grammar School by the name 'The Abbey.'   ::)

As for the antics the other night.  The College took the field to chorus of cheers from the Blue Army while at the same time the Abbey supporters were chanting that Caolan Mooney was a W@@ker.  Why should an 18 year old lad have to listen to this abuse that went on for quite a while and he was not alone as a number of other College lads were also subjected to this type of 'personal' abuse?  As for the bottle throwing, the Abbey lads launched the bottles for first which was not on, hitting a girl in the process, and the College lads returned them, which was also unacceptable.  St Colmans teachers were soon in among the College supporters and shortly after this, the Abbey teachers did likewise.  I have also heard subsequently that there was urine in some of the open topped bottles thrown from the Abbey 'fans', which adds a sick twist to the whole debacle.

The Blue Army brought some wonderful noise and colour to the occasion as they have done for years and anyone who knows anything about Ulster Colleges football will recognise that, with good natured chanting and singing throughout the game, all with a hint of humour ("You're not a physio" and "Mickeys got a big coat" were two examples).  They also acclaimed the number of past pupils who walked past them prior to the game giving the likes of the Mc Cartan's, Aidan Carr and others a special cheer.

May I also suggest to Mid Down Gael and Pointlad that they venture to Croke Park to watch St Colmans play in a Hogan Final as they certainly won't be supporting Kilcoo or Warrenpoint in Croke Park at any time.  The might also bring a bus for the Abbey PPSA where they would be able to see football being played as it should, and not the 13 men behind the ball crap that St Colmans had to play against the other night.  It was also interesting that the scoreboard gave the Abbey 3 points in the first half when they had only scored 2 but I suppose they needed all the help they could get.  It must have been an Abbey man keeping the score.   ;D

The College now move on to the MacRory semi final against Magherafelt and the Abbey back to the drawing board.  The Abbeys massive investment in their 'specialist' strength and conditioning coach wasn't too evident the other night and to kit out 40 lads in all that gear could not have been cheap.  St Colmans have a real chance of making the MacRory final on St Patricks Day but a number of their players will have to step up their game.  It was good enough the other night against substandard opposition, beating them by 35 points over two games this year, but it would be good enough the next day.  I'm sure they will improve.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on February 13, 2011, 06:55:42 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 12, 2011, 09:58:56 AM
St Colemans 3-6 Abbey 0-5

Scoreline does not do the Abbey justice. They dominated possession for long periods but where so wasteful in attack. Shot selection was their main problem trying to end good moves shooting from impossible angles. And the less said about the two gifts to St Colemans for first half goals the better. Shea McArdle (St Colemans) and Gerard McGovern (Abbey) where the two most impressive players on view imo, two great talents who dont get the credit that some of their peers get regulary. Tony McGreevy, Ryan Johnston and Mooney also had their moments for St Colemans.
In relation to the crowd trouble, i have to say as a neutral that St Colemans fan club where a disgrace, behaviour like that is not the Gaa way. The odd Abbey fan got involved which was wrong but that college crowd would do your head in.

I hope you behave yourself at all the games you attend MDG & that you don't do or say things that are not the 'GAA way'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 14, 2011, 11:01:56 AM
There is a load of old hype going on here, and a load of old tripe being spoken. I was at the game. There was loyal and enthusiastic chanting from both sets of fans. Young lads getting excited about our national game. Showing support for their schools and their fellow pupils. It was great to see this support and reminded me of my days there when my love for the sport was kindled.

The first bottle landed a few feet from me after bouncing either off or near to a girl. That was wrong and sad but in total it was two or three that were thrown, a couple of bad lads. There are always some. It was sorted quickly and there were no mass brawls, or riots or blood soaked spectators to be carried out (because that's what some of these posts make it sound like).

There must have been around 2,000 people at that game, fantastic for a match between two high schools. (Mayo only raised 5,000 to watch their county seniors the week before!) Great support and a couple of bad eggs should not allow people to denigrate what was otherwise great support by both sets of fans.

As for the game, anyone saying the Abbey were close is dreaming. The College were cantering for the whole second half. At any stage they could have upped it. The Abbey shot from crazy angles because the College defence pushed them out there, hardly poor shot CHOICES! The Abbey threw the kitchen sink at St Colmans and came up ten points short and that was a fair reflection of the ability in the two teams. The Abbey only scored their first point from play with eight minutes to go!

The College will beat St Mary's so long as they don't show the arrogance their forwards displayed in the 2nd half against the Abbey. But Dungannon or St Micks will be a whole other matter on St Patricks day.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 14, 2011, 01:07:39 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 14, 2011, 11:01:56 AM
There is a load of old hype going on here, and a load of old tripe being spoken. I was at the game. There was loyal and enthusiastic chanting from both sets of fans. Young lads getting excited about our national game. Showing support for their schools and their fellow pupils. It was great to see this support and reminded me of my days there when my love for the sport was kindled.

The first bottle landed a few feet from me after bouncing either off or near to a girl. That was wrong and sad but in total it was two or three that were thrown, a couple of bad lads. There are always some. It was sorted quickly and there were no mass brawls, or riots or blood soaked spectators to be carried out (because that's what some of these posts make it sound like).

There must have been around 2,000 people at that game, fantastic for a match between two high schools. (Mayo only raised 5,000 to watch their county seniors the week before!) Great support and a couple of bad eggs should not allow people to denigrate what was otherwise great support by both sets of fans.

As for the game, anyone saying the Abbey were close is dreaming. The College were cantering for the whole second half. At any stage they could have upped it. The Abbey shot from crazy angles because the College defence pushed them out there, hardly poor shot CHOICES! The Abbey threw the kitchen sink at St Colmans and came up ten points short and that was a fair reflection of the ability in the two teams. The Abbey only scored their first point from play with eight minutes to go!

The College will beat St Mary's so long as they don't show the arrogance their forwards displayed in the 2nd half against the Abbey. But Dungannon or St Micks will be a whole other matter on St Patricks day.



Good post
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 14, 2011, 05:20:14 PM
Blue Army, Blue Army ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 14, 2011, 10:15:53 PM
Quote from: Leo on February 13, 2011, 01:41:06 AM
The fans (pupils) of both these schools have in the last few years been competing in the rush to the bottom of the behavioural pit, a sad commentary on thier parents, teachers and environment, and  more in common with the growing embrace of English soccer loutism rather than true GAA sportsmanship.
And doesn't the pompous self-regarding reference to St Colman's College as "the college" just sum up the bombasticc nature of the whole thing
Apart from spasms of incidental football it was a bad reflection on our future prospects at Pairc Esler last night.

Catch yourself on Leo. Pathetic comment.

Disappointed I missed that one on Friday night, didn't get the paper Friday morning and hadn't realised it was on. Great to see the College competitive again after a number of years in the wilderness.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 15, 2011, 02:40:41 PM
There is no doubt that there is a hooligan aspect creeping into the game... Thats twice in 10 months St Colman's have been involved and incidents such as the Leinster final and an Ulster club game between Mayobridge and St Galls are two examples that spring to mind

The GAA should clamp down on this sort of behavior!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 15, 2011, 05:00:34 PM
I think this is a bit over the top. Retaliation for a bottle thrown at them.(obviously should not have been thrown back) and someone throwing a flare onto the sideline of the pitch are hardly serious incidents
I have been to a lot of College games in my time and i dont recall anything worth talking about.
These are kids.Like a load of young bulls, full of testosterone and probably a couple of cans of Harp. (although i cant verify that all young bulls in south down and Armagh drink harp) ;D
Its the aul fellas at croke park after the leinster final and the kn0bs that attack referees for making bad decisions in club matches that deserve to be slated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on February 16, 2011, 09:34:28 AM
Down v Galway

There seems to be a bit of dissaray in the Galway camp at the mionute with 2 players walking away during the week.. This can only help our cause at the weekend.. What do yas think the team will be for this game now that the u21s have been released back to their own group and a few players have been sent back to their clubs.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on February 16, 2011, 10:41:33 AM
Can anyone confirm who has been released from the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 16, 2011, 01:24:40 PM
Im sorry but im not buying into this nonsense of this has always happened at "College" Games... Have a look at bbc website and the extended hi lights of all 4 quarter finals, it is plain to see the only school who behaved in this thuggish/hooligan manner are the "College" fans, Simply not good enough, no room for it in the GAA and without doubt the powers that be in both schools should be pulled in front of the Ulster Colleges committee and asked to explain the events of last friday night. Its the talk of the country never mind county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 16, 2011, 01:38:15 PM
Yes its a greek tragedy of monumental Bombastic proportions!!!
Will someone please think of the children in this whole mess.

Talk of the country my hairy arse!
Is there nothing more important or prevolent to discuss this week. National League perhaps.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 16, 2011, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on February 16, 2011, 01:24:40 PM
Im sorry but im not buying into this nonsense of this has always happened at "College" Games... Have a look at bbc website and the extended hi lights of all 4 quarter finals, it is plain to see the only school who behaved in this thuggish/hooligan manner are the "College" fans, Simply not good enough, no room for it in the GAA and without doubt the powers that be in both schools should be pulled in front of the Ulster Colleges committee and asked to explain the events of last friday night. Its the talk of the country never mind county.

HEEEELLLLO RedandBlack. What part of "The Abbey fans threw bottles at the College spectators" do you not understand????????? Of course that makes it the College's fault doesn't it? Sounds a lot like you come from the DailyMail reading "She was asking for it" mentality. And while you are proposing people get pulled up in front of the Ulster Council, perhaps you would tell me if you were actually at the game. What's that No? You weren't? Surprise surprise. Refer to my comment above. Outraged at something when you don't even know what happened.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on February 16, 2011, 06:55:25 PM
This is ridiculous, honest to god some of the posts im reading are about as bad as people complaining about andy gray and richard keys. would yas all wise up and let the blue army do what they do best, support the college and make wee girls outa any other crowd they come up against.
probaly the most childish comment ive wrote on this board....but sure wouldnt ya know i used to go to the college!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 17, 2011, 02:38:56 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on February 16, 2011, 01:38:15 PM
Yes its a greek tragedy of monumental Bombastic proportions!!!
Will someone please think of the children in this whole mess.

Talk of the country my hairy arse!
Is there nothing more important or prevolent to discuss this week. National League perhaps.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blueannavy on February 17, 2011, 08:40:03 PM
anyone got any ideas on what the starting 15 will be on sunday ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on February 18, 2011, 09:52:37 AM
A very strong Galway team being named

1 Adrian Faherty
2 Alan Burke
3 Finian Hanley
4 Kieran McGrath
5 Gary ODonnell
6 Colin Forde
7 David Reilly
8 Garreth Bradshaw
9 Eddie Hoare
10 Joe Bergin
11 Cormac Bane
12 Gary Sice
13 Matthew Clancy
14 Cillín De Paor
15 Sean Armstrong


Colin Forde and Joe Bergin are the players being drafted in from Monaghan game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffleKing on February 18, 2011, 10:15:29 AM
Quote from: umpire on February 18, 2011, 09:52:37 AM
A very strong Galway team being named

1 Adrian Faherty
2 Alan Burke
3 Finian Hanley
4 Kieran McGrath
5 Gary ODonnell
6 Colin Forde
7 David Reilly
8 Garreth Bradshaw
9 Eddie Hoare
10 Joe Bergin
11 Cormac Bane
12 Gary Sice
13 Matthew Clancy
14 Cillín De Paor
15 Sean Armstrong


Colin Forde and Joe Bergin are the players being drafted in from Monaghan game.

Yeah, right...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 18, 2011, 09:25:20 PM
Team for Sunday:

Brendan McVeigh
Gerald McCartan
Dan Gordon
Luke Howard
Aidan Branagan
Kevin McKernan
Declan Rooney
Peter Fitzpatrick
Kalum King
Daniel Hughes
Mark Poland
Conor Maginn
Conor Laverty
Brendan Coulter
Martin Clarke

So Decky Rooney's back. I think that's good. Interesting to see Maginn and Laverty getting a start. And Benny ia pushed to the square. I'm surprised Murtagh didn't get a chance. Maginn has looked very promising when he's come on as sub I'm glad to see him in. Best of all it's great to see that largely speaking we have a settled team that know who will be playing week in week out and can develop as a unit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto Man on February 18, 2011, 10:34:56 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 18, 2011, 09:25:20 PM
Team for Sunday:

Brendan McVeigh
Gerald McCartan
Dan Gordon
Luke Howard
Aidan Branagan
Kevin McKernan
Declan Rooney
Peter Fitzpatrick
Kalum King
Daniel Hughes
Mark Poland
Conor Maginn
Conor Laverty
Brendan Coulter
Martin Clarke

So Decky Rooney's back. I think that's good. Interesting to see Maginn and Laverty getting a start. And Benny ia pushed to the square. I'm surprised Murtagh didn't get a chance. Maginn has looked very promising when he's come on as sub I'm glad to see him in. Best of all it's great to see that largely speaking we have a settled team that know who will be playing week in week out and can develop as a unit.

Not a bad team and good to see Laverty getting a start.  I would expect to see Gerard Mc Cartan pushing out to the half back line, as he is definately not a corner back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 19, 2011, 12:05:49 PM
The Down Subs bench for tomorrow is; Cathal Murdock (Boireann), Conor Garvey (Droichead Mhaigh Éo), Liam Doyle (Liatroim), Paul McPolin (Cluain Daimh), Ronan Murtagh (Baile Cholmáin), John Clarke (An Ríocht), James Colgan (An Ríocht), Mark Doran (Cloch Fhada), Aidan Carr (Cluain Daimh), Ronan Sexton (Droichead Mhaigh Éo) and Paul McComiskey (Dun Droma).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on February 19, 2011, 01:18:06 PM
Not a bad sub bench there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 19, 2011, 08:31:53 PM
To be fair that is a very strong bench alright!! Bit light defensively but with a few to still come back it aint half bad!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 45 on February 19, 2011, 10:02:15 PM
Well every one noticed the lack off discussion on page the last week. Everyone is more interested about a plastic bottle thrown at a school match. So on a different note how does everyone think our senior leagues are going to pan out or is there any club teams going to surprise us this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on February 19, 2011, 10:42:36 PM
great bench for down ok, but aidan carr must be wondering whats going on. Good mckenna campaign and now he's not involved. likewise john clarke, what does the future hold for these men. county needs a strong panel, but can the fringe players accept limited game time???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 20, 2011, 12:16:27 AM
Well this has been the first big game in a while (last season included) that Clarke has been dropped to be honest! Carr has a right to feel annoyed more so than John! Suppose the management have brought in two fringe players to start this game at the expense of two regular starters in McComisky and Clake which shows some loyalty to the players who work hard to earn a start!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on February 20, 2011, 11:33:35 AM
I've been told that the Saul ballad group won an All Ireland Scór na nÓg title yesterday in Castlebar, many many congratulations on a magnificent achievement, the years of hard work this club have invested in promoting Scór are paying off, I think this is their 2nd All Ireland Scór title.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 20, 2011, 05:24:09 PM
My ratings on todays game, think we must get things in perspective we just beat galway by 5 points comfortably which didnt look too achievable 2 years ago. Appreciate where we have come before you start to come on and rant and rave,

B Mc Veigh 6 - Solid although at times his kick outs are very erractic, dont think he has confidence to hit them short.
L Howard - Unlucky with injury
D Gordon - 6 Did what he had too, will never be out in front but will compete with anything in the air, caught a couple of nice balls.
G Mc Carten - 6 - Still unsure on gerard, nice lad but not the same drive or cut as dee or dan.
A Brannigan - 4 - Gave away serious number of silly fouls and does not look at all comfortable on the ball.
K mc Kernan - 8 - Most improved Down player since James took over, looks confident, assured in possession and has great engine. Also has improved his physicality in the tackle.
D Rooney - 5 Only back from injury and it will take time, doesnt need to get involved in off the ball stuff as much as he does
K King - 5 lot of ground still needed to be covered by Kallum but a reasonable shift today.
P Fitzpatrick - 5 - Take away his goal at the end didnt feel he contributed an awful lot. When the ground hardens im sure we ll see more of his old self.
D Hughes -8 - Easily one of Downs most important players at present, he drives forward when in possession and always looks to do somethin positive not negative.
M Poland - 5 - Below par day for Mark despite the fact he hit a great score early on and I feel Aidan Carr could be in with a shout of no11.
C Maginn 6 - workman like performance which ended with him gettin a well deserved goal in the 1st half. Doesnt get near enoughcredit for his work off the ball
C Laverty 6- Thought the wee man did very well in an environment (ie heavy pitch, windy day) which is not really tailored to suit him! Kicked a couple of nice points into the bargin.
B Coulter - 6 - Unfortunately Benny knows what he wants to do but the legs cant do it anymore, would like to see benny rested more at this time of year rather than flogged to death. Still our biggest scoring threat up front
M Clarke - 8 - Probably Downs best player again, he never wastes the ball when he is in posession and took some heavy heavy treatment today and got very little protection!

Subs - C Garvey 6 - good to see him back as we dont have too many man markin defenders at present
J Colgan - 6 - Did ok, Im not sure about him in the middle of the field. Good head on him though to slow things down.
A Carr - 5 - Gave away a few balls but was on the ball a fair bit in such a short period of time!
P Mc Comisky - Set up the goal
L Doyle - If only he could stay fit.



Roll on next weekend which is sure to see fans crawl out from everywhere to see armagh take their beating. A win next week will leave Down safe and let the monaghan and armagh men to battle it out with galway for aRelegation









Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 20, 2011, 05:41:41 PM
Not too far off the mark RABAB
Maybe a bit too kind to Mc Kernan and not kind enough to Pete Fitz. Also thought Colgan was super when he come on - commanding, composed and super block set up the goal ( and fair play to Mc Comiskey).To be fair , the management called it well today.Important to focus on 2 points next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on February 20, 2011, 06:24:50 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on February 20, 2011, 05:24:09 PM
My ratings on todays game, think we must get things in perspective we just beat galway by 5 points comfortably which didnt look too achievable 2 years ago. Appreciate where we have come before you start to come on and rant and rave,

B Mc Veigh 6 - Solid although at times his kick outs are very erractic, dont think he has confidence to hit them short.
L Howard - Unlucky with injury
D Gordon - 6 Did what he had too, will never be out in front but will compete with anything in the air, caught a couple of nice balls.
G Mc Carten - 6 - Still unsure on gerard, nice lad but not the same drive or cut as dee or dan.
A Brannigan - 4 - Gave away serious number of silly fouls and does not look at all comfortable on the ball.
K mc Kernan - 8 - Most improved Down player since James took over, looks confident, assured in possession and has great engine. Also has improved his physicality in the tackle.
D Rooney - 5 Only back from injury and it will take time, doesnt need to get involved in off the ball stuff as much as he does
K King - 5 lot of ground still needed to be covered by Kallum but a reasonable shift today.
P Fitzpatrick - 5 - Take away his goal at the end didnt feel he contributed an awful lot. When the ground hardens im sure we ll see more of his old self.
D Hughes -8 - Easily one of Downs most important players at present, he drives forward when in possession and always looks to do somethin positive not negative.
M Poland - 5 - Below par day for Mark despite the fact he hit a great score early on and I feel Aidan Carr could be in with a shout of no11.
C Maginn 6 - workman like performance which ended with him gettin a well deserved goal in the 1st half. Doesnt get near enoughcredit for his work off the ball
C Laverty 6- Thought the wee man did very well in an environment (ie heavy pitch, windy day) which is not really tailored to suit him! Kicked a couple of nice points into the bargin.
B Coulter - 6 - Unfortunately Benny knows what he wants to do but the legs cant do it anymore, would like to see benny rested more at this time of year rather than flogged to death. Still our biggest scoring threat up front
M Clarke - 8 - Probably Downs best player again, he never wastes the ball when he is in posession and took some heavy heavy treatment today and got very little protection!

Subs - C Garvey 6 - good to see him back as we dont have too many man markin defenders at present
J Colgan - 6 - Did ok, Im not sure about him in the middle of the field. Good head on him though to slow things down.
A Carr - 5 - Gave away a few balls but was on the ball a fair bit in such a short period of time!
P Mc Comisky - Set up the goal
L Doyle - If only he could stay fit.



Roll on next weekend which is sure to see fans crawl out from everywhere to see armagh take their beating. A win next week will leave Down safe and let the monaghan and armagh men to battle it out with galway for aRelegation

You must have been at a different game than me, some strange ratings, eg. Kalum King had a great game & was surely worth more than a 5 & I feel Marty Clarke was nowhere near the 8 you have given him imo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 20, 2011, 06:28:36 PM
i think if we're being honest if we had have been playing anybody half decent we would have beat today. how many times was possession wasted and needlessly kicked away. the above ratings are very harsh on brannigan, rooney and fitzpatrick but kind to mckernan and clarke. as much as i admire lavery at club level, he is never a county player. apart from benny we have no ball winners in attack. imo murtagh and carr have to start next week to add abit of power and strength to the forwards. still 3 pts isnt bad start but the next few weeks will tell us were we're really at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 20, 2011, 07:17:37 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on February 20, 2011, 06:24:50 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on February 20, 2011, 05:24:09 PM
My ratings on todays game, think we must get things in perspective we just beat galway by 5 points comfortably which didnt look too achievable 2 years ago. Appreciate where we have come before you start to come on and rant and rave,

B Mc Veigh 6 - Solid although at times his kick outs are very erractic, dont think he has confidence to hit them short.
L Howard - Unlucky with injury
D Gordon - 6 Did what he had too, will never be out in front but will compete with anything in the air, caught a couple of nice balls.
G Mc Carten - 6 - Still unsure on gerard, nice lad but not the same drive or cut as dee or dan.
A Brannigan - 4 - Gave away serious number of silly fouls and does not look at all comfortable on the ball.
K mc Kernan - 8 - Most improved Down player since James took over, looks confident, assured in possession and has great engine. Also has improved his physicality in the tackle.
D Rooney - 5 Only back from injury and it will take time, doesnt need to get involved in off the ball stuff as much as he does
K King - 5 lot of ground still needed to be covered by Kallum but a reasonable shift today.
P Fitzpatrick - 5 - Take away his goal at the end didnt feel he contributed an awful lot. When the ground hardens im sure we ll see more of his old self.
D Hughes -8 - Easily one of Downs most important players at present, he drives forward when in possession and always looks to do somethin positive not negative.
M Poland - 5 - Below par day for Mark despite the fact he hit a great score early on and I feel Aidan Carr could be in with a shout of no11.
C Maginn 6 - workman like performance which ended with him gettin a well deserved goal in the 1st half. Doesnt get near enoughcredit for his work off the ball
C Laverty 6- Thought the wee man did very well in an environment (ie heavy pitch, windy day) which is not really tailored to suit him! Kicked a couple of nice points into the bargin.
B Coulter - 6 - Unfortunately Benny knows what he wants to do but the legs cant do it anymore, would like to see benny rested more at this time of year rather than flogged to death. Still our biggest scoring threat up front
M Clarke - 8 - Probably Downs best player again, he never wastes the ball when he is in posession and took some heavy heavy treatment today and got very little protection!

Subs - C Garvey 6 - good to see him back as we dont have too many man markin defenders at present
J Colgan - 6 - Did ok, Im not sure about him in the middle of the field. Good head on him though to slow things down.
A Carr - 5 - Gave away a few balls but was on the ball a fair bit in such a short period of time!
P Mc Comisky - Set up the goal
L Doyle - If only he could stay fit.



Roll on next weekend which is sure to see fans crawl out from everywhere to see armagh take their beating. A win next week will leave Down safe and let the monaghan and armagh men to battle it out with galway for aRelegation

You must have been at a different game than me, some strange ratings, eg. Kalum King had a great game & was surely worth more than a 5 & I feel Marty Clarke was nowhere near the 8 you have given him imo.

MR If you think about it.. watch the hi lights later and you ll see that in nearly all our scores m clarke plays a role.. I still think people expect too much off him but his vision and pass completion % are 2nd to none. these all performed with some beefed up red neck from the west hanging out of him.. And finally no i was at the same game as you and I personally feel our midfield was and will be a serious issue in the bigger games if we r going to pick up silverware. Against an extremely limited galway middle they should be standing out.. Joe bergin was running the legs of King and only the introduction of Colgan possibly saved us a point... But as I say only my opinon..  would actually be very worried about it for next saturday night..     
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 20, 2011, 09:18:50 PM
A poor game in terms of quality, Down bad Galway worse at doing the simple things well. Serious amount of misplaced passes and turnovers in middle third of the pitch, which would be a serious problem against Armagh. However at this stage of the season we are in a good place and progressing in the right direction. Would like to see Carr and Murtagh feature against Armagh, to see if they provide the spark thats missing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: artisan2010 on February 20, 2011, 09:22:44 PM
I thought McVeigh had a good game and was particularly solid under the high ball on what could'nt have been an easy day given he swerling wind.
Maybe its looking over the shoulder to where we have come from but in the not to distant pass we would have lost that game.  Some good tackling and blocking in the last few minutes before the goal secured the points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 21, 2011, 09:12:34 AM
Galway certainly put the effort in and it looked quiet flattering on the scoreboard and the the fact that they closed to within 2 points near the end. But when they attacked us they left holes behind which our boys ran straight through and scored. Most of the game there were 10-11 Galway players in their own half closing down play and making things tight. Better teams won't be content to sit with 10 men behind the ball and that means in other games Down forwards will have more space to exploit.

But I have to have a rant. I am getting sick of the stupid way the advantage rule is written. And frankly I don't even blame the ref, its the rule that is the problem. The advantage rule in Gaelic is like soccer. The ref sees a foul and decide to award it or play advantage with whatever happens next allowed to happen. In rugby the advantage is signalled and the ref plays on for a short while to determine if it really was an advantage and if it wasn't he goes back to to award the original free.

The first one works in soccer because you can clearly see if there is an advantage or not, you can't in rugby and also you can score much easier from a free in rugby. Gaelic in that respect is closer to rugby, a free anywhere 35 yards out is close to being a  certain point and secondly you can not generally predict advantage when the ball is flying through the air. The rule should be like rugby where the ref can play on for 2-3 seconds then call it back. Croke park need to see the sense in this. I was so annoyed at the weekend about it. So many bad calls by the ref but most not his fault. he can not possibly know what will happen next when he signals advantage. As I see it, it is just plain wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on February 21, 2011, 11:21:46 AM
A good win yesterday - you can only beat whats put in front of you.  I think redandblack is a bit harsh on Brannigan.  Bergen playing at wing half forward was winning every kick out and getting plenty of space when Rooney was on him in the first 10 minutes.  Fair play to the management who changed this after Bergens point and put Brannigan on him who broke every ball away from him and this led to their keeper having doubts about trying to pick him out.  The move also helped Rooney who went on to have quite a decent game.
Brendy's kickouts were good as was his distribution from hand a couple of lovely kick passes to Hughes with the outside of his boot, handling solid as always.  I thought Hughes was superb for the first 40 minutes or so, glides accross the pitch with ease.  Like most of the forwards in the second half reverted to giving silly balls and forgot the basics.
Overall impressed with the much maligned defence who worked hard together as a unit, midfield kept on going throughout and didn't give Galway anything easy.  Forwards tracked back hard but leave an almighty amount of ground for the 2 man forward line.  Sometimes yesterday boys were looking up for the kick pass from our own 50 and the closest men to them in our half were on our 14 yard line.  Do we not trust our defence enough so that 4 of our 6 forwards are defending like mad around our own 50, leaving us to revert to the hand pass accross the pitch which could lead to alot of danger if broke up.
Looking forward to seeing the team progress much tougher outings ahead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 21, 2011, 12:32:51 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on February 20, 2011, 05:41:41 PM
Not too far off the mark RABAB
Maybe a bit too kind to Mc Kernan and not kind enough to Pete Fitz. Also thought Colgan was super when he come on - commanding, composed and super block set up the goal ( and fair play to Mc Comiskey).To be fair , the management called it well today.Important to focus on 2 points next week.

Think he is well off the mark with Kevin McKernan, a very athletic player who looks great on the ball but who loses his man too often. There were huge holes in our defence yesterday - and in Castlebar - when he went missing. He has great ability but where do you play him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 21, 2011, 12:56:27 PM
That is the question, the lad has great natural ability but i dont think u can afford to play him chb as there are 2 many holes appearing unfortunatly.  I would put Rooney at CHB and try mckernan on the wing again and if its not working there its the bench im afraid.

Id like to see the following for nxt wk

McVeigh
McCartan
Gordan
Howard
McKernan
Rooney
Garvey
King
Fitzpatrick
Hughes
Poland
McGinn
Coulter
Murtagh
M Clarke

If Howard isnt fit then brannigan.  Probably a little harsh on lavery but remember the league final last year and andy mallon had him in his pocket whenever he came on and suits him down to the ground.  Think murtagh would give him or donaghy alot more trouble.  Mark Poland under pressure from Carr as well and mccumisky, lavery and clarke all pushing to get on.  Pity we didnt have as many options at the back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on February 21, 2011, 01:12:01 PM
i see fitzpatrick got star man in the irish news there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on February 21, 2011, 03:10:25 PM
cant really figure out critism of keepers kicking. obviously worked at in training with at least 5 players looking for alternative to long kick. about 8 were played directly to players looking for it. first. at last theres an alternative to the long ball. had these tactics been employed agst cork ....... well you know the answer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 21, 2011, 04:34:55 PM
Yes the kicking was much more sensible yesterday, and yes I think against Cork & Mayo we would have won both games if we'd kicked out like that. But remember the problem with short kicks is that you sacrifice territory, and law of averages say on at least a few occasions the opposition will get it back, meaning they will have possession in scoring positions.

But generally there were many improvements yesterday. The half back line improved, midfield and our break-ball play around the middle. Also excellent was the continued development of our squad players. The problem was around the opponents 45 where we failed to pass wisely and couldn't penetrate. But lets not worry about an off-day for one of the best sets of forwards in the country. And that fact that Galway put 10-11 players behind the ball is not a situation we will face every week. Overall the weak stuff is being worked on and improved. That is the target for the league - To avoid relegation and to improve on the weak points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 22, 2011, 09:39:39 AM
just a general query lads. Do Down have a kit man?
they must be the only county team in the country that dont all wear the same Kit.
Even for the All Ireland final they looked like they all brought their own kit.
I know it makes no difference on the scoreboard and is a bit petty. But can they not get matching shorts and Socks.
I see Clarke prefers the hooped socks.
Like is it too much to ask to wear a matching kit, they arent a junior club with no money.
also when will the county board get rid of that horrible yellow thing they had to wear in the All Ireland final. I know its the ulster colours but really how many counties bother with that anymore.
Its disgusting. Bring out an all black strip for such occasions.
fcuk me it aint rocket science.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on February 22, 2011, 10:25:08 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 22, 2011, 09:39:39 AM
just a general query lads. Do Down have a kit man?
they must be the only county team in the country that dont all wear the same Kit.
Even for the All Ireland final they looked like they all brought their own kit.
I know it makes no difference on the scoreboard and is a bit petty. But can they not get matching shorts and Socks.
I see Clarke prefers the hooped socks.
Like is it too much to ask to wear a matching kit, they arent a junior club with no money.
also when will the county board get rid of that horrible yellow thing they had to wear in the All Ireland final. I know its the ulster colours but really how many counties bother with that anymore.
Its disgusting. Bring out an all black strip for such occasions.
fcuk me it aint rocket science.

there definitley was a kitman, sure didn't he get stopped in the van driving it on red diesel  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 22, 2011, 11:34:24 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on February 22, 2011, 10:25:08 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 22, 2011, 09:39:39 AM
just a general query lads. Do Down have a kit man?
they must be the only county team in the country that dont all wear the same Kit.
Even for the All Ireland final they looked like they all brought their own kit.
I know it makes no difference on the scoreboard and is a bit petty. But can they not get matching shorts and Socks.
I see Clarke prefers the hooped socks.
Like is it too much to ask to wear a matching kit, they arent a junior club with no money.
also when will the county board get rid of that horrible yellow thing they had to wear in the All Ireland final. I know its the ulster colours but really how many counties bother with that anymore.
Its disgusting. Bring out an all black strip for such occasions.
fcuk me it aint rocket science.

there definitley was a kitman, sure didn't he get stopped in the van driving it on red diesel  :D

your right. Ha Ha. sure how can the county afford matching kits when the cant even afford the right fuel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 22, 2011, 01:38:18 PM
Does anyone on this forum have any insight into the odd socks Down players wear? I thought it might be that Marty wears the hoop socks to be easily picked out for passes. Similar things are done in other sports. I did consider superstitious reasons but An Riocht play with green/yellow socks and the minors in 2005 played with plain black socks.

As for the yellow kit it is awful. Nice to be wearing it to represent Ulster, but seriously, black with red arms or white with red/black trim would be far nicer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Class of 99 on February 22, 2011, 05:20:19 PM
Jesus lads I hope stripped docks are all we have to worry about for the year!!! The away jersey isn't too bad IMHO, shows our class!!!!
Title: Club 10k Race
Post by: No1 on February 22, 2011, 05:44:37 PM
Anyone fancy a nice flat 10k this Sunday...........

http://www.kilcliefgac.com/news/index.php#news_item1199 (http://www.kilcliefgac.com/news/index.php#news_item1199)
Title: Re: Club 10k Race
Post by: 5 Sams on February 22, 2011, 06:20:43 PM
Quote from: No1 on February 22, 2011, 05:44:37 PM
Anyone fancy a nice flat 10k this Sunday...........

http://www.kilcliefgac.com/news/index.php#news_item1199 (http://www.kilcliefgac.com/news/index.php#news_item1199)

Fcukit I thought you had a tip for a horse :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 22, 2011, 07:13:24 PM
Always think about this myself when I watch the boys play. I think the newer socks for the county are the hopped ones but some choose just to wear the old ones! Sometimes even their shorts are different designs etc! Didn't think anyone else took any notice of minor details like that! Ha
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 22, 2011, 07:34:03 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 22, 2011, 09:39:39 AM
just a general query lads. Do Down have a kit man?
they must be the only county team in the country that dont all wear the same Kit.
Even for the All Ireland final they looked like they all brought their own kit.
I know it makes no difference on the scoreboard and is a bit petty. But can they not get matching shorts and Socks.
I see Clarke prefers the hooped socks.
Like is it too much to ask to wear a matching kit, they arent a junior club with no money.
also when will the county board get rid of that horrible yellow thing they had to wear in the All Ireland final. I know its the ulster colours but really how many counties bother with that anymore.
Its disgusting. Bring out an all black strip for such occasions.
fcuk me it aint rocket science.

Snoopdog I'm with you. It's 2011, we are paying £11 to stand in the wind and rain on the terrace in February, we are payinmg club membership fees, some of which go to the county set up, we are paying supporters club fees or for trips, some of us pay club down or support raceday or golf or whatever,  we are entitled to expect to be able to hear the PA system, we are entitled to expect the team in the programme is the one that plays (late injuries excepted - btw it usually is since James took charge), we are entilted to expect that our supportes club money, club down money, raceday money and everything else helps turn out these teams properly.
Some players wearing white cycling shorts under the red & black, somebody else with white sleeves,  at one recent match our manager wearing a Queens tracksuit top instead of a Down one - and we think we are acting like professional way! The "Down Way"!! How long before the players turn out wearing  9what is it?0 snoods under their jersies, gloves to keep warm and hoodies and ipod earphones on the long trip from the bus to the dressingrooms?
Is anyone in charge?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on February 22, 2011, 08:42:34 PM
QuoteFcukit I thought you had a tip for a horse  :D

:)

Sorry buddy, if it's any consolation there will be plenty of donkeys on the course!  Your clubmate is the man with the excellent tipping record....................................
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 23, 2011, 12:32:59 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 22, 2011, 01:38:18 PM
Does anyone on this forum have any insight into the odd socks Down players wear? I thought it might be that Marty wears the hoop socks to be easily picked out for passes. Similar things are done in other sports. I did consider superstitious reasons but An Riocht play with green/yellow socks and the minors in 2005 played with plain black socks.

As for the yellow kit it is awful. Nice to be wearing it to represent Ulster, but seriously, black with red arms or white with red/black trim would be far nicer

Thats actually an interesting point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 23, 2011, 08:46:42 AM
Boys, no harm to ye but i couldnt give a flyin f**k what they be wearing out on the field, as long as they put in the required effort whether it be training or playing field, and they represent Down in a positive light on and off the field.
Seriously, some of you boys would want to give over whinging. Ye have little to be worried about if that sort of stuff is annoying ye.
Its 2011 and if amateur athletes cant have personnel preferences when it comes to their choice of undergarment or training-wear for their own reasons be it vanity, comfort, superstition or placebo then i for one give up. Nobody is de-facing or de-valuing the county colours or crest in any way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 23, 2011, 01:08:04 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on February 23, 2011, 08:46:42 AM
Boys, no harm to ye but i couldnt give a flyin f**k what they be wearing out on the field, as long as they put in the required effort whether it be training or playing field, and they represent Down in a positive light on and off the field.
Seriously, some of you boys would want to give over whinging. Ye have little to be worried about if that sort of stuff is annoying ye.
Its 2011 and if amateur athletes cant have personnel preferences when it comes to their choice of undergarment or training-wear for their own reasons be it vanity, comfort, superstition or placebo then i for one give up. Nobody is de-facing or de-valuing the county colours or crest in any way.

Finally, and i thought i was the only one!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 23, 2011, 01:29:01 PM
Lads can anyone give me the definitive arrangements for season ticket holders for the stand in Newry on Saturday night...I have a few members in my ear panicking and wanting to know...I know its only Wed but some people are v impatient!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 23, 2011, 02:20:56 PM
5 sams as far as Im aware, season ticket holders will be accomondated in the stand. Thats what the email said from the county secretary to the clubs, it also said tickets should be ready for distribution tonight but Id say thats probably going to be tomorrow night.

Ring the county office in castlewellan. 4,500 seats shouldnt be a major problem but then again we ll have all sorts coming out for this one  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 23, 2011, 02:34:30 PM
Firstly I want to be clear I don't care what the boys wear at all. The performance is all that matters to me (though I do hate the yellow jersey). But it is hard not to notice Marty ears different socks and I just pondered if there was a tactical reason for it.

But as far as uniformity goes, I may not care, nor you WhiteGM, or many other posters here but I was under the impression some people do care very much. I thought that the GAA insisted some time back that teams all have the same kit. I know its a petty thing but then the boys at Croke Park regularly excel themselves with petty rules. I'm surprised some bureaucrat in headquarters hasn't complained by now. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 23, 2011, 02:36:40 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on February 23, 2011, 08:46:42 AM
Boys, no harm to ye but i couldnt give a flyin f**k what they be wearing out on the field, as long as they put in the required effort whether it be training or playing field, and they represent Down in a positive light on and off the field.
Seriously, some of you boys would want to give over whinging. Ye have little to be worried about if that sort of stuff is annoying ye.
Its 2011 and if amateur athletes cant have personnel preferences when it comes to their choice of undergarment or training-wear for their own reasons be it vanity, comfort, superstition or placebo then i for one give up. Nobody is de-facing or de-valuing the county colours or crest in any way.

I dont think anyone is worrying about it. I was just making a point and wondering was i the only one that noticed. It is a bit strange though that a uniform kit isnt wore.
But that yella yoke is minging

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 23, 2011, 03:34:19 PM
How is a uniform kit not worn, do they not all strip out in the same jersies and togs with red n black socks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on February 23, 2011, 04:02:04 PM
I think that regarding kit we have come on a long way under James , It's along time since I seen anyone warming up in a Liverpool jersey . I am definitely in the minority here , I actually like the Yellow jersey .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 23, 2011, 04:44:58 PM
Quote from: downredblack on February 23, 2011, 04:02:04 PM
I think that regarding kit we have come on a long way under James , It's along time since I seen anyone warming up in a Liverpool jersey . I am definitely in the minority here , I actually like the Yellow jersey .

;D when was that ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlie stubbs on February 23, 2011, 05:52:01 PM
Anyone looking a friendly next saturday evening 5th March 2010 please pm me.  We are a 2nd division team in armagh and looking to get a game next saturday night.  We would have to travel to you as pitch currently under construction.  Cheers Charlie
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 23, 2011, 06:28:02 PM
Of course you are going to get people coming on here and dismissing the talk of kit etc as a load of crap and not important etc, but it was just a passing point someone raised and no one is getting hung up about it, the question was just asked! It's not a big issue at all but just an interesting observation and question!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on February 23, 2011, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: downredblack on February 23, 2011, 04:02:04 PM
I think that regarding kit we have come on a long way under James , It's along time since I seen anyone warming up in a Liverpool jersey . I am definitely in the minority here , I actually like the Yellow jersey .

I like the yellow jersey too, I just didn't wanna be the first to say it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 23, 2011, 07:21:00 PM
Glenn men would like it alright. Don't really care about it muself other than I've seen us lose two AI finals wearing it and being superstitious about this sort of thing , I think we should retire it.
If Marty and co wore no socks and played like they did last year I wouldn't mind.
Fierce tame debate on the Down V Armagh thread. Nobody around to stoke it ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 24, 2011, 12:34:39 PM
Lets be honest here people, on saturday night you have one changing room with a management team who have their team playing to a structured game plan, they have possibly the best football trainer in the country, one of the most knowledgable men in the province and a very astute manager. In the other changing room you have a weight lifter and two men who are extremely limited tactically and a manager whose heart cant possibly be in winning no matter what any Armagh man thinks.

There wont be any shocks, it will simply be a straight forward win for Down by maybe 5/6 points depending on how much Armagh open out towards the end when their chasing the game against a well organised counter attacking down team. Its difficult to know where Down are right now but last weeks game will have helped Garvey and Rooney and brought a bit more stability to a defence who played very well last year, I do feel that after a win this saturday if we can take 3 or 4 points from our next 6 we could be looking at the top 2..  Ambitious but we were the 2nd best team in ireland last year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 24, 2011, 03:00:20 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on February 23, 2011, 07:21:00 PM
Glenn men would like it alright. Don't really care about it muself other than I've seen us lose two AI finals wearing it and being superstitious about this sort of thing , I think we should retire it.
If Marty and co wore no socks and played like they did last year I wouldn't mind.
Fierce tame debate on the Down V Armagh thread. Nobody around to stoke it ?

superstitions in sport are one of my pet hates. The jersey has no outcome in end result of them games. I remember James had to be at back of parade, what happens if a team has two players who want to be at back of the parade. They are in short a nuisance. I was also interested if it was Marty wanting to hooped socks or it was a tactical ploy to make him more identifiable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on February 24, 2011, 08:25:07 PM
I like the yellow shirt myself, although I have always loved the idea of Down playing in all black, something about it, always liked the Sligo kit. If the county board wanted me to help out I would definatley design a nice kit if they wanted! Just have the sleeves red and keep the same shorts n socks. Boys my mouth is watering at the thought of this! I can see it already in my head! As regards this whole kit mismatch craic, I do notice that Marty wears the hooped socks, dont think theres any harm in that, as they say An Dun on them, every player was issued them during last year. He chooses to wear them during matches whereas the rest wear the standard black with red trim. Its not like hes wearing green ones!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: batman on February 24, 2011, 09:12:32 PM
Are Clarkes socks not just taped?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 24, 2011, 09:22:59 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on February 24, 2011, 03:00:20 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on February 23, 2011, 07:21:00 PM
Glenn men would like it alright. Don't really care about it muself other than I've seen us lose two AI finals wearing it and being superstitious about this sort of thing , I think we should retire it.
If Marty and co wore no socks and played like they did last year I wouldn't mind.
Fierce tame debate on the Down V Armagh thread. Nobody around to stoke it ?

superstitions in sport are one of my pet hates. The jersey has no outcome in end result of them games. I remember James had to be at back of parade, what happens if a team has two players who want to be at back of the parade. They are in short a nuisance. I was also interested if it was Marty wanting to hooped socks or it was a tactical ploy to make him more identifiable.


Talking about superstition...Remember in the 90's when James and Ross used to fight over who was sitting at the end of the front row of the bench for photos...what was that all about? It usually ended up with one of them with one cheek perched on the bench about to fall off!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 25, 2011, 09:38:39 AM
Down team to play Armagh, exactly the same as Galway:

1. Brendan McVeigh (An Ríocht)
2. Gerald McCartan (Boireann)
3. Dan Gordon (Loch an Oileáin)
4. Luke Howard   (Áth Bhriain)
5. Aidan Branagan (Cill Chua)
6. Kevin McKernan (Boireann)
7. Declan Rooney (Boireann)
8. Peter Fitzpatrick (Baile Mhairtín)
9. Kalum King (Áth Bhriain)
10. Daniel Hughes (Sabhaill)
11. Mark Poland (Cloch Fhada)
12. Conor Maginn (Áth Bhriain)
13. Conor Laverty (Cill Chua)
14. Brendan Coulter (Droichead Mhaigh Éo)
15. Martin Clarke (An Ríocht)

16. Cathal Murdock (Boireann)
17. Conor Garvey (Droichead Mhaigh Éo)
18. Liam Doyle (Liatroim)
19. Paul McPolin (Cluain Daimh)
20. Ronan Murtagh (Baile Cholmáin)
21. John Clarke (An Ríocht)
22. James Colgan (An Ríocht)
23. Ronan Sexton (Droichead Mhaigh Éo)
24. Aidan Carr (Cluain Dáimh)
25. Mark Doran (Cloch Fhada)
26. Paul McComiskey (Dún Droma)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: hectorsheroes on February 25, 2011, 12:11:25 PM
No word of Murtagh, is he injured?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 25, 2011, 12:52:08 PM
Murtagh is listed at No.20 on the subs bench above
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 25, 2011, 02:54:44 PM
Armagh Team:

1. Philip Mc Evoy Dromintee

2. Andy Mallon Pearse Og

3. Brendan Donaghy Clonmore

4. Finnian Moriarty Wolfe Tones

5. Kevin Dyas Dromintee

6. Ciaran Mc Keever St. Patrick's

7. Paul Duffy Pearse Og

8. Kieran Toner Granemore

9. Charlie Vernon Armagh Harps

10 Rory Grugan Ballymacnab

11 Micheal O'Rourke Dromintee

12. Malachy Mackin St. Patrick's

13. Billy Joe Padden Carrickcruppin

14. Gareth Swift Armagh Harps

15. Steven McDonnell Killeavy



16. John Mc Cullagh Carrickcruppin

17. Gavin McParland Ballymacnab

18. Colm Watters Cullaville

19. Conor Clarke Pearse Og

20. John Murtagh Crossmaglen

21. Brian Mallon Tir na nOg

22. Gareth O'Neill Dromintee

23. Declan McKenna Armagh Harps

24. James Lavery Maghery
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 25, 2011, 03:48:07 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 25, 2011, 02:54:44 PM
Armagh Team:

1. Philip Mc Evoy Dromintee

2. Andy Mallon Pearse Og

3. Brendan Donaghy Clonmore

4. Finnian Moriarty Wolfe Tones

5. Kevin Dyas Dromintee

6. Ciaran Mc Keever St. Patrick's

7. Paul Duffy Pearse Og

8. Kieran Toner Granemore

9. Charlie Vernon Armagh Harps

10 Rory Grugan Ballymacnab

11 Micheal O'Rourke Dromintee

12. Malachy Mackin St. Patrick's

13. Billy Joe Padden Carrickcruppin

14. Gareth Swift Armagh Harps

15. Steven McDonnell Killeavy



16. John Mc Cullagh Carrickcruppin

17. Gavin McParland Ballymacnab

18. Colm Watters Cullaville

19. Conor Clarke Pearse Og

20. John Murtagh Crossmaglen

21. Brian Mallon Tir na nOg

22. Gareth O'Neill Dromintee

23. Declan McKenna Armagh Harps

24. James Lavery Maghery

No offence PAULD123 but post that shite on the Armagh page, keep this Red and Black please  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 25, 2011, 04:38:03 PM
no offence but maybe some of us are interested in who we are playing against. keep them coming PAULD123.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 25, 2011, 05:22:22 PM
I think most Down fans would want to know who we play against. I like to consider the man for man match ups and I think so do a lot of people. Thanks Sheedy for your comment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on February 25, 2011, 05:26:19 PM
Night and day between the two sub benches. Down have plenty of talent to call upon, Armagh haven't one established player in reserve other than Brian Mallon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on February 25, 2011, 09:01:30 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on February 25, 2011, 03:48:07 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 25, 2011, 02:54:44 PM
Armagh Team:

1. Philip Mc Evoy Dromintee

2. Andy Mallon Pearse Og

3. Brendan Donaghy Clonmore

4. Finnian Moriarty Wolfe Tones

5. Kevin Dyas Dromintee

6. Ciaran Mc Keever St. Patrick's

7. Paul Duffy Pearse Og

8. Kieran Toner Granemore

9. Charlie Vernon Armagh Harps

10 Rory Grugan Ballymacnab

11 Micheal O'Rourke Dromintee

12. Malachy Mackin St. Patrick's

13. Billy Joe Padden Carrickcruppin

14. Gareth Swift Armagh Harps

15. Steven McDonnell Killeavy



16. John Mc Cullagh Carrickcruppin

17. Gavin McParland Ballymacnab

18. Colm Watters Cullaville

19. Conor Clarke Pearse Og

20. John Murtagh Crossmaglen

21. Brian Mallon Tir na nOg

22. Gareth O'Neill Dromintee

23. Declan McKenna Armagh Harps

24. James Lavery Maghery

No offence PAULD123 but post that shite on the Armagh page, keep this Red and Black please  ;)


Think thats a bit uncalled for Redblack, man only posting a team. Good work Paud!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 25, 2011, 10:23:07 PM
Most Down fans believe that tomorrow is a very big game, both in terns of the points - which would come very close to guarenteeing us division one football next year - and the result, which could give us a considerable boost for the rest of the season. It's possible James has a different view, and feels it is too early in the year to show his full hand, as he has not picked his strongest available team.

If he was really going for it, Garvey would probably have come in either for Howard, who has been unlucky with injuries, or possiblly Gerard McCartan, who has growing potential rather than experience on his side. Brannigan had a decent first half last week, but Colgan looked a much better bet when he came on in the last quarter. While Laverty had a fine display against Galway, McComiskey is stronger and a much better finisher. Benny also prefers to attack from the wing, so either John Clarke or Murtagh at full forward might have given us a better balance.

Having said that, James know what his is doing and the line-up named, if it actually starts the match, should be well capable of giving a good account of itself. We also have the major advantage of a bench full of talent and hunger.

There is still a concern that Armagh have mostly had our measure for nearly twenty years now. We blew them away in the early stages in the corresponding fixture last season, and then let them back into it only for the red card to swing it back decisively in our favour. They then beat us in the division two final and this year's McKenna Cup, and they have won every other league and championship derby going back to the early 1990s.

It is likely to be tight and hard tomorrow, but there is a reasonable prospect that the momentum we have built up so far and the use of impact subs could just about get us over the line. If not, then James may be less worried than the supporters.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 26, 2011, 05:48:08 PM
well done to 'the college'. hopefully make it 2 in a row on 'paddys day'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on February 26, 2011, 08:24:29 PM
injury looks bad for mc veigh. surely there is a more experienced option out there than u21 keeper?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 26, 2011, 08:30:21 PM
Who's u21 keeper... Did Murdock not go on  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on February 26, 2011, 09:23:05 PM
Whats wrong with murdock centre 3/4s??
excellent gk, county champion with burren, a lot of other medals from burren not to mention mccrory and hogan medals... He is there on merit and because he deserves it.

Also imagine how hard it is for a gk to come on in a game, the lad made a tremendous save, helped the team get the victory!

On another not, thanks to the useless bunch of pricks psni, traffic control sh#te!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDun on February 27, 2011, 12:09:02 AM
Let's hope Brendan McVeigh's injury is not as bed as feared.  Murdock done well when he came on.  One super save.  Maybe a bit of work to be done on his kickouts but for a debut he can be well pleased.

However I've been a bit surprised that Declan Alder is not the sub keeper.  Is he still part of the panel?  Going back to his U21 days, and since, I've always been impressed with him.  Who knows, there could be a right battle for the No.1 jersey now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 27, 2011, 10:56:55 AM
Quote from: general on February 26, 2011, 09:23:05 PM


On another not, thanks to the useless bunch of pricks psni, traffic control sh#te!!!!

What a crass comment. Since PSNI co-operation with our voluntary stewards  has come in for these Saturday night games, traffic flows better, pedestrains crossing the dual carriageway are safer and proper standards and arrangements are clear for all to see. Maybe an inconvenience to the double-parkers and the latecomers who expect to park at the front gate, but get a grip. Match set up at Pairc Esler now among the best in the land.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 27, 2011, 10:58:19 AM
Quote from: AnDun on February 27, 2011, 12:09:02 AM
Let's hope Brendan McVeigh's injury is not as bed as feared.  Murdock done well when he came on.  One super save.  Maybe a bit of work to be done on his kickouts but for a debut he can be well pleased.

However I've been a bit surprised that Declan Alder is not the sub keeper.  Is he still part of the panel?  Going back to his U21 days, and since, I've always been impressed with him.  Who knows, there could be a right battle for the No.1 jersey now.

I'm told McVeigh might be out 6-8 weeks. Murdock has doen well but always rated Alder as on a par with Brendy. Where is he?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 27, 2011, 12:25:25 PM
Frustrating enough performance last night mixing the brilliance with the awful.  My ratings for what its worth

McVeigh 7 - kickouts alot better before his unfortunate injury, hope he not out for long
McCartan 8.5 - great game and didnt give grugan a kick of it, has pace and height which are great attributes for a defender
Gordon 8 - thought he did great job on a super player.  Want him there long term
Howard 7 - Was quiet himself but so was mallon which is all u want from a corner back
Rooney 6 - Not as good as last week, loves a yellow card
McKernan 8.5 - Alot better than previous, did his defensive duties very well as well as contributing going forward
Brannigan 6 - Struggled to get into game and will find it difficult to keep Garvey out for next time
King 6 - Again better than previous but still struggling for fitness which will hopefully come.
Fitzpatrick 6 - All the potential in the world but very frustrating, him and vernon gave each other all the time in the world
Hughes 7.5 - Full of pace and energy just going for the wrong option at times
Poland 5.5 - Couple of great free kicks but struggled with the physicallity at times.  Could come under pressure from Carr
McGinn 5 - For me very quiet up until last 10 mins, lacks pace and strength at the very highest level but james loves him
Laverty 7 - Started brightly but faded there after, just too light for me unfortunatley, if only he was a bit bigger
Murtagh 8.5 - Provides a threat that J Clarke doesnt, an outlet every time and 2 crackers to round it off
Clarke 7 - Influential and some wonderful passes as usual but struggled for long periods IMO

Subs - Murdock pulled off a great save but needs to work on his kickouts, Colgen put in a great shift when he came and is pushing for a start but not in half back line, mccumisky did well and should start, Garvey sold as a rock and sexton was sexton, hard and busy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on February 27, 2011, 01:09:27 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on February 27, 2011, 12:25:25 PM
Frustrating enough performance last night mixing the brilliance with the awful.  My ratings for what its worth

McVeigh 7 - kickouts alot better before his unfortunate injury, hope he not out for long
McCartan 8.5 - great game and didnt give grugan a kick of it, has pace and height which are great attributes for a defender
Gordon 8 - thought he did great job on a super player.  Want him there long term
Howard 7 - Was quiet himself but so was mallon which is all u want from a corner back
Rooney 6 - Not as good as last week, loves a yellow card
McKernan 8.5 - Alot better than previous, did his defensive duties very well as well as contributing going forward
Brannigan 6 - Struggled to get into game and will find it difficult to keep Garvey out for next time
King 6 - Again better than previous but still struggling for fitness which will hopefully come.
Fitzpatrick 6 - All the potential in the world but very frustrating, him and vernon gave each other all the time in the world
Hughes 7.5 - Full of pace and energy just going for the wrong option at times
Poland 5.5 - Couple of great free kicks but struggled with the physicallity at times.  Could come under pressure from Carr
McGinn 5 - For me very quiet up until last 10 mins, lacks pace and strength at the very highest level but james loves him
Laverty 7 - Started brightly but faded there after, just too light for me unfortunatley, if only he was a bit bigger
Murtagh 8.5 - Provides a threat that J Clarke doesnt, an outlet every time and 2 crackers to round it off
Clarke 7 - Influential and some wonderful passes as usual but struggled for long periods IMO

Subs - Murdock pulled off a great save but needs to work on his kickouts, Colgen put in a great shift when he came and is pushing for a start but not in half back line, mccumisky did well and should start, Garvey sold as a rock and sexton was sexton, hard and busy.

Interesting ratings, I thought Maginn was excellent when we needed him most and would rate him higher for that alone.
Overall though your ratings seem fair enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 27, 2011, 02:04:04 PM
Quote from: Leo on February 27, 2011, 10:56:55 AM
Quote from: general on February 26, 2011, 09:23:05 PM


On another not, thanks to the useless bunch of pricks psni, traffic control sh#te!!!!

What a crass comment. Since PSNI co-operation with our voluntary stewards  has come in for these Saturday night games, traffic flows better, pedestrains crossing the dual carriageway are safer and proper standards and arrangements are clear for all to see. Maybe an inconvenience to the double-parkers and the latecomers who expect to park at the front gate, but get a grip. Match set up at Pairc Esler now among the best in the land.
Totally.
This is a special time for Down football- things have come together so well on and off the field.We need to back the Race Day on 27th March and as many as possible should make the trip to Cork - we owe them big time and it's less than 4 hours from Newry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 27, 2011, 02:30:54 PM
Just on the issue of the marshes it looks great but how long does it take for a couple of changing rooms to be built,  those builders must be there for nearly a year now.   Is there even shower facilities for both sets of teams at the min??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: artisan2010 on February 27, 2011, 04:33:00 PM
I dont understand how Clarke can be rated as a 7.  Is it the level of expectation. His point on the run in the first half was my highlight of the game.  In addition some of the passes he found in tight situations which both retained posession and changed the angle of attack were vital to the outcome.
I thought the pattern of the Galway game was repeated last night, over elaboration on occassion and the spurning of chances to take points at earlier points in play.
No disrespect to Mayo,Galway or Armagh but the Dubs, Cork and Kerry will be bigger challenges and the need to be clinical will be vital.
I didnt forget Monaghan!!! 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 27, 2011, 07:03:00 PM
Jes i thought i was being generous giving him a 7 lol. 

Thought he was out of the game for long periods  and yes he did score an great point but also tried a couple of rediculous efforts.  He did so some great things but not as often as normal.  Certainly didnt think his performance was on a par with mckernan or murtagh imo.  He cant be MOM every wk.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 27, 2011, 07:19:40 PM
thought clarke did some excellent work and some of his passing and vision was a joy to watch but he was also guilty of some of some bad shooting, 2 45's and an easy free blasted wide. these are the chances we cant waste at the higher level. the mark of 7 whitegoodman give was just about right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 27, 2011, 10:21:08 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on February 27, 2011, 02:30:54 PM
Just on the issue of the marshes it looks great but how long does it take for a couple of changing rooms to be built,  those builders must be there for nearly a year now.   Is there even shower facilities for both sets of teams at the min??

The new changing rooms are ready for fit out - I had a dander in there Saturday morning - 4 massive dressing rooms, match control room , committee room - will be as good as it gets. As I understand it the away teams have been given the best facilities available for recent games in the fitness centre and Down have put up with makeshift faciluties - fair dues to the players while the work goes on. No omletes without cracked eggs my friend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 27, 2011, 10:31:07 PM
When u say ready for fit out u mean they have to put the plumbing/tiling in yet, any idea why it has taken so long. Is the upstairs looking out onto the pitch for media or the actual control room
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 27, 2011, 10:40:43 PM
whitegoodman it looks to me like the top floor is event control and not press - have they not already got a 2-tier box in the stand where they want to be?
By the way, why is the big illuminated sign at the front  of Park Esler stuck on AroundAPound for yonks? It used to change faces between sponsors and Club Down. Is it because the original Club Down folded? Is the new Club Down not doing anything about it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 28, 2011, 08:34:59 AM
I'm not sure how to feel about Saturday night's game. I'm going to make two posts today. The first is on the things I see as bad. The second will be about the things I see as being good. We won and that's the single most important thing. If we beat Monaghan we guarantee first division football for next season. So we are one game away from meeting the target. But it is the manner of victory that leaves me in a quandary. We were by far the more skillful team and played the much better football - but only in patches. We won countless dirty ball, intercepted lots of passes, held around 60% possession (at least), never looked under pressure in possession, created 5-6 goal opportunities.

But reading those comments back makes it sound like we should have walked away with the game, so why didn't we? I think it comes down to shooting. I put it down to three things:

1) Firstly we can't score 45's and that is a major problem, Stevie just banged his over no sweat, we can barely make the small square.

2) Secondly the team is obsessed with going for goals. I am from the school of thought that you take every single point opportunity until you are 8-10 points ahead then look for goals to kill the game off. This would have been especially true at the weekend where we were continually recycling possession. We could have had them so far behind that they would never have come back. We've all heard it - "Take your points and the goals will come!!!"

3) Thirdly we don't seem to have a plan for attack. We control possession and work players into ever better positions. But at no point does it seem that a given player has elected himself to get into a point scoring position, where the team work the ball to get it to him, and then he finishes. It seems we just keep playing and playing waiting for something good to happen. In rugby a fly-half drops deep to kick a drop goal. He sets himself up for the score. With our fantastic possession play that's what we should be doing. One player in any move should be simply moving to position, then, once the defence is stretched he should be receiving it and slotting it over. Instead it seems we are just passing for the sake of passing. Most of our points from play happen on the run, not from these long impressive build ups. We tend to score from frees, or miss goal chances from the long build-ups. Compare this to Armagh who have a simple plan - Get the ball, play it in possession till Stevie is in position, give it to Stevie, Stevie scores. That's their plan and because of it they nearly matched us for scores.

But if we were more ruthless we would be the match for any team in the country. I wonder what everyone else thinks about these comments?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: hectorsheroes on February 28, 2011, 09:32:36 AM
Good points made there but fairly negative I reckon - I'd be more than happy where Down are - at the top table and there as a force to, I'd be more bullish about our prospects than before. Look at 3/4 years ago and we have plenty to moan about - yes of course we should have won by more and alot of Armagh fans mentioned that to me as I was leaving but we won, we are in Division one and the status is almost safe and its the end of February!! Relax - McCartan and Dan in the full back line were superb - Armagh just soaked up pressure and played on the counter attack - that was all they had - other etams won't - we still have players to come back in and yeah we are not the finished article but no need for complete pessimism either
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 28, 2011, 11:02:33 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 28, 2011, 08:34:59 AM
I'm not sure how to feel about Saturday night's game. I'm going to make two posts today. The first is on the things I see as bad. The second will be about the things I see as being good. We won and that's the single most important thing. If we beat Monaghan we guarantee first division football for next season. So we are one game away from meeting the target. But it is the manner of victory that leaves me in a quandary. We were by far the more skillful team and played the much better football - but only in patches. We won countless dirty ball, intercepted lots of passes, held around 60% possession (at least), never looked under pressure in possession, created 5-6 goal opportunities.

But reading those comments back makes it sound like we should have walked away with the game, so why didn't we? I think it comes down to shooting. I put it down to three things:

1) Firstly we can't score 45's and that is a major problem, Stevie just banged his over no sweat, we can barely make the small square.

2) Secondly the team is obsessed with going for goals. I am from the school of thought that you take every single point opportunity until you are 8-10 points ahead then look for goals to kill the game off. This would have been especially true at the weekend where we were continually recycling possession. We could have had them so far behind that they would never have come back. We've all heard it - "Take your points and the goals will come!!!"

3) Thirdly we don't seem to have a plan for attack. We control possession and work players into ever better positions. But at no point does it seem that a given player has elected himself to get into a point scoring position, where the team work the ball to get it to him, and then he finishes. It seems we just keep playing and playing waiting for something good to happen. In rugby a fly-half drops deep to kick a drop goal. He sets himself up for the score. With our fantastic possession play that's what we should be doing. One player in any move should be simply moving to position, then, once the defence is stretched he should be receiving it and slotting it over. Instead it seems we are just passing for the sake of passing. Most of our points from play happen on the run, not from these long impressive build ups. We tend to score from frees, or miss goal chances from the long build-ups. Compare this to Armagh who have a simple plan - Get the ball, play it in possession till Stevie is in position, give it to Stevie, Stevie scores. That's their plan and because of it they nearly matched us for scores.

But if we were more ruthless we would be the match for any team in the country. I wonder what everyone else thinks about these comments?
It looks as if Cathal Murdock is in for an extended run so he could be an option for the 50s
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 28, 2011, 11:37:52 AM
I seriously hope Down dont start this nonsense that Burren were at last year by bringing Murdock out, anyway in my opinion he mighten be first choice next time out, I do feel Alder is as good as him. Is Gavin Joyce in the panel too, he did play against Antrim, might be worth a look.

Saturday was the most comfortable 1 point win Iv seen in a long while, James decision to start Murtagh was a good one also so was the move to bring Colgan in for a tired King, and if King and Fitzpatrick dont start to up it Colgan may be knocking on the door!!

Unfortunately for Armagh (As we have previously seen) their management team are clearly inept and are well out of their depth at this level. I have no hesitation in thinking we will win comfortably again come the championship when in the heat of battle a cool calm head with a bit of Know how is vital along the line.

Well done James and co keep it going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 28, 2011, 03:03:44 PM
Quote from: hectorsheroes on February 28, 2011, 09:32:36 AM
Good points made there but fairly negative I reckon - I'd be more than happy where Down are - at the top table and there as a force to, I'd be more bullish about our prospects than before. Look at 3/4 years ago and we have plenty to moan about - yes of course we should have won by more and alot of Armagh fans mentioned that to me as I was leaving but we won, we are in Division one and the status is almost safe and its the end of February!! Relax - McCartan and Dan in the full back line were superb - Armagh just soaked up pressure and played on the counter attack - that was all they had - other etams won't - we still have players to come back in and yeah we are not the finished article but no need for complete pessimism either

Dan was beaten to the ball 5/6 times by Mc Donnell although Dan's
blocked after those instances was superb.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 28, 2011, 03:17:03 PM
This is my second post today. I have talked about the negative's as I see it, which basically all focus around shooting. Now for the positives:

1) Most importantly - We won, 5 points now and Division one status all but secured.

2) We have improved a little in each game

3) Each game throws up issues that seem to be addressed by the next game. The management seem to be astute, helping to eradicate problems, and improve us each time.

4) Specifically our ability to win ball in midfield has improved a lot since Mayo

5) I don't think there is a team in Ireland that are as comfortable passing the ball to retain possession

6) Our bench players are starting to come in and look like they belong in the starting team. We have at least 25 players all justified in expecting to be in the first fifteen

7) The kickouts have been much better, securing primary ball much more than in Mayo

8) We were able to keep Armagh to only 11 points (the second lowest score in any Division 1 match this season)

9) Even with our so-called weakened defence we are the lowest points conceders in the division

10) In bursts we are devastating. It is only if you have true talent that you can produce such great moves. The issue is merely now to add consistency to it.

11) Last season we were a team that took big leads and then gradually threw them away. This year, while we are still getting clawed back around the 50-60minute period, we are coming back to finish strongly.

12) The reason we won in the end was because we controlled possession for the last two minutes. We were a point ahead and simply allowed the clock to tick down while not letting Armagh touch it. The fact that we were able to do this is very pleasing and also shows learning. If we had done the same against Kildare last year when awarded a free in the last two minutes we would never have had to endure the agony of a last second save from Kalum.

13) The boys will be even faster on a dry hard pitch, which means as time goes on we benefit from more practice (as we play more games) and improving weather at the same time

14) Dan Gordon looks more like a quality fullback in each game, though Stevie did miss at least 2 chances that you would never expect him to miss again.

15) McKernan is getting back to his best

16) King looked fitter

17) Although we squandered a lot, we still got in there and created about 10 extra point scoring chances, 5 of which were goal chances.

18) If we keep playing this type of football then by summer we will have a full squad all capable of playing together, everyone will know the plan and most importantly we will be playing the sort of football that wins games. We will have the most cohesive team in the championship, with all players being comfortable in possession. Each man will know he has backup and where that backup is going to be at any time. Basically our team will work as a unit not individuals.

I think these are a lot of reasons to be cheerful. In summary I think we have to say that if we view this as a one-off then it was indeed frustrating from the squandered opportunities. But if we consider it a work-in-progress then we can say that everything is going exactly to plan and we should arrive at the start of the championship at the top of our game.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on February 28, 2011, 03:30:00 PM
Good posts yesterday and this morning - Saw the game on the Internet and watched it one additional time - Good win for Down - Thought it worthwhile pointing out that we hit the upright 4 times that denied us points and hit the post once and denied us a goal - On the law of averages, 50% of them should have resulted in scores, which would have given a very different complexion to the score and would have more accurately reflected Down's periods of dominance (Armagh hit the post once and it registered a score)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 28, 2011, 08:11:58 PM
Scor results- some missing so please complete
Ceili Dancing-
Solo singing - Kerrie Kennedy ( Glenn)
Instrumental music-
Recitation-Gareth Mc Greevy ( Saul)
Ballad group- Saul
Novelty Act- Rostrevor
Set Dancing- Clonduff
Question Time- Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on February 28, 2011, 08:24:46 PM
On the issue of the 45's Ambrose if playing is more accomplished at them than Marty Clarke. Cathal Murdock hits them for Burren but seems to only score ones from a central position. If Ambrose isnt available then surely on a blusterly night a short pass to retain posession is better than a "Hail Mary" ??
Lets not get carried away. We won by 1 point. Yes we had goal chances but Armagh had theirs too. Add to that the fact McDonnell seemed to have an off night after kicking 1 superb point. He was a lt quicker than Gordon & this match up come The Championship could be very dangerous. On the plus side Danny Hughes, Ronan Murtagh & Kevin McKernan all had great nights.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 01, 2011, 12:44:16 AM
Quote from: guevara on February 28, 2011, 08:24:46 PM
On the issue of the 45's Ambrose if playing is more accomplished at them than Marty Clarke. Cathal Murdock hits them for Burren but seems to only score ones from a central position. If Ambrose isnt available then surely on a blusterly night a short pass to retain posession is better than a "Hail Mary" ??
Lets not get carried away. We won by 1 point. Yes we had goal chances but Armagh had theirs too. Add to that the fact McDonnell seemed to have an off night after kicking 1 superb point. He was a lt quicker than Gordon & this match up come The Championship could be very dangerous. On the plus side Danny Hughes, Ronan Murtagh & Kevin McKernan all had great nights.

In the modern game EVERY 45 should be a score. It is a practised art but nobody seems to be practising. In rugby they slot penalties over from this distance with practically every kick. Why? Practice. Put the ball on the ground, size up the angle... kick... score.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on March 01, 2011, 01:16:48 AM
To be fair Leo it isnt as simple as that. You will get plenty of guys can slot them over 9/10 when they are straight in front of the goals but its the added distance & kicking style that would prove difficult once the angle to goal is increased.
Thats my point on Cathal Murdock hitting them for Burren.....great in front of goals because most keepers will kick in a straight fashion. But with the angled ones he seems less succesful.
Very few fellas can consistantly strike a ball well off the ground. Bryan Sheehan is an excellent free taker off the ground as as the great Maurice Fitz. But these days most fellas prefer out of their hands as they would struggle for distance from the ground.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on March 01, 2011, 03:19:24 AM
Quote from: ballela-angel on February 28, 2011, 03:30:00 PM
Good posts yesterday and this morning - Saw the game on the Internet and watched it one additional time - Good win for Down - Thought it worthwhile pointing out that we hit the upright 4 times that denied us points and hit the post once and denied us a goal - On the law of averages, 50% of them should have resulted in scores, which would have given a very different complexion to the score and would have more accurately reflected Down's periods of dominance (Armagh hit the post once and it registered a score)

Where on the internet did you see the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on March 01, 2011, 12:23:12 PM
Where on the internet did you see the game?
Saw it as a pay-per-view for $19.99 on http://setanta-i.com/ - Saw the Mayo game the same way
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 01, 2011, 12:36:15 PM
To be fair to Leo we don't score 45's even when they ARE right in front of the posts. And we can't be relying on only Ambrose to do it. I saw Coalan Mooney from near the left touchline bang a 45 over for St Colman's and the ball cleared the bar half way up the posts, it could have travelled another 10 yards. So if a 17 year old laddie can do it why can't 2 or 3 of our county players do it. Cork beat us on this. Goulding crashed over three consecutive 45's, we missed 2. That's the margins that win titles.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 01, 2011, 03:22:25 PM
To be fair Clarke is usually accurate with 45s, in his minor days he popped them over for fun, I mind in a match for an rioct in rostrevor in the playoffs near last kick of them game, 45 out, from the sideline, off the ground, slotted it straight over. He can still do this, just not the past few games!

On the point about rugby players kicking - firsty they kick off a tee for penalties, if Gaelic players kicked off tees there would be as accurate distance/positioning as in rugby. Also rugby balls are a different shape which is more 'ground' kicking friendly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on March 01, 2011, 03:47:33 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on February 28, 2011, 08:11:58 PM
Scor results- some missing so please complete
Ceili Dancing-
Solo singing - Kerrie Kennedy ( Glenn)
Instrumental music- Darragh Cross
Recitation-Gareth Mc Greevy ( Saul)
Ballad group- Saul
Novelty Act- Rostrevor
Set Dancing- Clonduff
Question Time- Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 01, 2011, 04:19:35 PM
Suggesting that every 45 should result in a score is bit far fetched. Even allowing for the fact that a 45 can end up being a 65 if taken from towards the sidelines, the sheer variance in quality of pitches and footholds, the varying weight of the ball, and the old Irish weather problem make it more of a lottery than some presume.

I'd guess that any of Rogers, M Clarke, Coulter, Gordon or McKernan are surefire Down starters who would have the technique to pop over a 45 regularly if conditions were right. But of them, maybe only Clarke has the natural ball-striking ability to counteract unusual conditions. So I'd let him rattle away at them til Kingdom come.

Your man Daniel Goulding gave an amazingly rare exhibition of place-kicking in the AI final - one that will always be the exception rather than the norm. Then, comparing anyone to Bryan Sheehan is just daft. He is one of the most gifted ball-strikers you will ever see. Even a player as freakishly co-ordinated as Benny Coulter could spend years practicing 45s every single day and he would still be poorer at them than Sheehan, who simply has an amazing natural advantage. Yes, natural.   

It's even more pointless bringing in the rugby comparison. A 45 is pretty much the same length of kick as one from rugby's 10m line, and those are missed regularly by international kickers; players who are meant to be the best kickers in their country, nevermind county. And never understimate the advantage a tee gives, as it effectively rules out the need to concentrate on gaining height.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on March 01, 2011, 04:41:54 PM
Any word on Liam Doyle? - was great to see him come on against Galway.
And Mickey Walsh - any sign of him returning?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 01, 2011, 04:53:13 PM
Down has never had any really quality 45 takers over the years.. I remember Benny scoring one in Croke park but he does not hit them for his club or county!! Maybe its too far to walk ;D
On another note I cannot wait for the new season!!! Is it true that our noisy neighbours have invited the county champions down to open their field :D I hope we don't spoil their Party!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on March 01, 2011, 06:11:07 PM
Your right Wobbler Sheehan is an exception to the rule. There is a youtube clip of him thumping them over in a Club game from ridiculous distances.
What a lot of people dont realise is that its a lot further out than appears to the eye. Yes you can have the likes of a goalkeeper who will normally have a longer kick but will struggle with accuracy.
In my opinion Ambrose is better at them than Clarke. But most of the times you see a guy bang them over with plenty to spare will be a calm day on a good surface that allows the kicker to get a good striking action on the ball. Compare that to a windy day on a muddied field with poor sod & you are changing the variables altogether.What must be noted also is that Croke Park would be in my view a much more enclosed ground with less of these variables than say Pairc Esler or Clones??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 01, 2011, 07:02:39 PM
For years under orourke and carr ambrose couldnt hit a barn door with his 45's.  I remember him hitting one beauty in croke park last year but other than that i cant recall any that have went over, i may be mistaken though

Martys free taking and 45's have gone off the boil slightly but i wouldnt get overly worried as when the harder ground comes round it will make it that bit easier for him.  I would still take him every time over ambrose when it comes to hitting a 45.  Somebody else said that Gordon or Coulter could potentially hit them.  In their 10 odd years of senior football i cant recall either attempting a 45.  It is a specialist skill but doesnt mean special players such as coulter are fit to take them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 01, 2011, 07:45:10 PM
Sean O Neills brother Kevin was the best kickers of 45s ever, rarely missed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 01, 2011, 07:50:52 PM
I'm sure amallon could let us know for sure but I'm pretty sure that Coulter knocked over a handful of 45s en route to the 99 minor. Problem is that being a clubmate of Robbie Coulter, he probably didn't kick one again for 5 years! Also if a 45 is dropping short, then if there's one man you want lurking around the square, it's Benny.

I saw Gordon strike a few long range beauties from the ground in a club match a few years back and that's why he came to mind.

Clarke is still the best option all the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 01, 2011, 08:08:11 PM
Brendan Toner rarely missed 45 for Down and Castlewellan. he the best i have seen.

Supersub. that was brilliant long range free kick (more that 50 yards out) in dying moment from Martin Clarke that knocked Burren out of SFC  a few years ago in Pettit Park.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on March 01, 2011, 08:12:23 PM
benny did indeed score a 45 in the all ireland final off 99
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on March 01, 2011, 09:34:22 PM
Gregory McCartan comes to mind as a guy Ive seen slot them over from 45 & further with great ease. He has quite a lazy look to his kicking style & made it look effortless at times. I remember watching him come on in a Club game for Castlewellan & knock over 2/3 beauties from way out.
Title: East Down Reserve Football League
Post by: No1 on March 01, 2011, 10:08:05 PM
Do any of you have an idea when the reserve football league starts?

Oh and we haven't had a decent dead ball man since Gary Mason and Ross Carr quit, although Greg McCartan wasn't too bad.
Title: Re: East Down Reserve Football League
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on March 01, 2011, 10:24:35 PM
Quote from: No1 on March 01, 2011, 10:08:05 PM
Do any of you have an idea when the reserve football league starts?

Oh and we haven't had a decent dead ball man since Gary Mason and Ross Carr quit, although Greg McCartan wasn't too bad.

Our first match for reserves is 17th April
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 01, 2011, 10:46:48 PM
just a note on the 45 post stevie mc donnell didnt score a 45 on sat night he hit one but it was claimed in the square by dan without any probelm. Clarke hit a free from 45and scored with ease although he did miss one 45 the other dropped short and danny hughes scored from it.  last year there was no problem with clarkes 45s and he hit the majority of them although ambrose scored one against kerry i think it was the only one he did score.  Some else posted that benny coulter hits them dont think i have ever seen him hit a 45 for the seniors and its twelve years since he hit them for the minors.  There has been good 45 takers for down over the years brendan toner, gary mason ross carr gregory mc cartan shorty trainor to name but a few.  think we have to stick with clarke. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 01, 2011, 10:49:23 PM
Clarke regulary popped them over last year, there's no problem with him taking them.

I think the reserve league is supposed to start this weekend, well the premier reserve anyway!
Title: Re: East Down Reserve Football League
Post by: 5 Sams on March 01, 2011, 10:54:46 PM
Quote from: No1 on March 01, 2011, 10:08:05 PM
Do any of you have an idea when the reserve football league starts?

Oh and we haven't had a decent dead ball man since Gary Mason and Ross Carr quit, although Greg McCartan wasn't too bad.

The big boys in the Premier Reserve league start on Sunday ;)...we're away to your beloved towny friends in Downpatrick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 01, 2011, 10:58:34 PM
Quote from: umpire on March 01, 2011, 08:08:11 PM
Brendan Toner rarely missed 45 for Down and Castlewellan. he the best i have seen.Supersub. that was brilliant long range free kick (more that 50 yards out) in dying moment from Martin Clarke that knocked Burren out of SFC  a few years ago in Pettit Park.

Ah the boul Benjy...with the toe pointers :D

Being baised here but there was a certain Brendan Loughran from Ballyholland who won an AI minor medal in 77 who could pop over the 50s in his sleep.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 01, 2011, 11:11:54 PM
Thought of Brendan Loughran  ok but only caught tail end of his flowing locks in the red and black .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 02, 2011, 10:22:50 AM
I have read the comments with interest and many good points have been made. But the fact still remains that many other teams are regularly scoring 45s from the middle third and have at least 50% accuracy from the outside thirds. We are lucky to score half our 45s even in the middle section of the pitch. This could be worth up to two points per game and can't be readily dismissed.

I agree with many posts that expecting every 45 to result in a score is optimistic and that Goulding and Sheehan are exceptions rather than the rule. But I still think there is a gap between these guys and our record that at least needs closing. Okay so we shouldn't expect every one to go over but I don't think we put enough over.

But I am sure that I've not stumbled on something that the management aren't already aware of. They will be working on this. Each issue we have had up to now has clearly been addressed and worked on - Experience of bench players, Variation of kickouts, Tackling, Dropping the ball and slipping over, Fullback. Even things like Paddy Tally constantly running on the pitch against Mayo. Each issue has been addressed. Even in midfield in the Armagh game, the management tweaked the system to allow more recovery of possession to take place. I can say that in each game things are improved and clearly have been identified and worked on. I am sure this will be worked on too and improved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 02, 2011, 04:12:09 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 02, 2011, 10:22:50 AM
I have read the comments with interest and many good points have been made. But the fact still remains that many other teams are regularly scoring 45s from the middle third and have at least 50% accuracy from the outside thirds. We are lucky to score half our 45s even in the middle section of the pitch. This could be worth up to two points per game and can't be readily dismissed.

I agree with many posts that expecting every 45 to result in a score is optimistic and that Goulding and Sheehan are exceptions rather than the rule. But I still think there is a gap between these guys and our record that at least needs closing. Okay so we shouldn't expect every one to go over but I don't think we put enough over.

But I am sure that I've not stumbled on something that the management aren't already aware of. They will be working on this. Each issue we have had up to now has clearly been addressed and worked on - Experience of bench players, Variation of kickouts, Tackling, Dropping the ball and slipping over, Fullback. Even things like Paddy Tally constantly running on the pitch against Mayo. Each issue has been addressed. Even in midfield in the Armagh game, the management tweaked the system to allow more recovery of possession to take place. I can say that in each game things are improved and clearly have been identified and worked on. I am sure this will be worked on too and improved.

Where are you getting these statistics from?
He was on quite a bit on Saturday night, he ran on and yelled at one of the defenders to turn and face the ball. Really didn't think it warranted a 50 Yard sprint to tell an inter county player an instruction, an under 10 should know to do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 02, 2011, 05:32:01 PM
Hand's up! It is purely anecdotal. I haven't actually analysed Goulding, Sheehan, John Doyle, Stevie or any of the other top team's 45 takers. I just feel that I see a lot more going over from their kickers than ours. But I'll hold my hands up, no I have no actual facts to prove it, but I've been to almost every game.

Paddy Tally was indeed on the pitch quite a bit, but seriously in Mayo he should have had a number on his back. Definitely was on a lot more in Castlebar than last Saturday.

Anyway my pint is that I feel we convert less 45s than the other top teams. And that is something that could end up deciding a tight game. Especially considering how good Cork and Kerry are at them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointlad on March 02, 2011, 05:36:48 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 02, 2011, 10:22:50 AM
I have read the comments with interest and many good points have been made. But the fact still remains that many other teams are regularly scoring 45s from the middle third and have at least 50% accuracy from the outside thirds. We are lucky to score half our 45s even in the middle section of the pitch. This could be worth up to two points per game and can't be readily dismissed.

I agree with many posts that expecting every 45 to result in a score is optimistic and that Goulding and Sheehan are exceptions rather than the rule. But I still think there is a gap between these guys and our record that at least needs closing. Okay so we shouldn't expect every one to go over but I don't think we put enough over.

But I am sure that I've not stumbled on something that the management aren't already aware of. They will be working on this. Each issue we have had up to now has clearly been addressed and worked on - Experience of bench players, Variation of kickouts, Tackling, Dropping the ball and slipping over, Fullback. Even things like Paddy Tally constantly running on the pitch against Mayo. Each issue has been addressed. Even in midfield in the Armagh game, the management tweaked the system to allow more recovery of possession to take place. I can say that in each game things are improved and clearly have been identified and worked on. I am sure this will be worked on too and improved.

I dont see why your mentioning this about running on the pitch, hes the selector/runner and is allowed onto the pitch if you were of knowledge of the rules of Gaelic Football as it states below and if he wasnt following the rules the 4th official would note it and the county board would be fined 500euro a go;

One Team Official (Maor Foirne, who is an
assistant to the Bainisteoir), may move
alongside the sidelines and enter the field
of play during a break in play - through the
Substitution Zone - to make changes and/or
to give instructions to players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 02, 2011, 07:28:16 PM
QuoteThe big boys in the Premier Reserve league start on Sunday

;D

The big boys are welcome to it, trying to get our boys onto a pitch in the wilds of South Down at Noon on a Sunday was the hardest job I ever had!  Now if throw ins hadda been in The Marine at half 9 the night before then I woulda been guaranteed a full squad every time!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on March 03, 2011, 02:19:54 PM
Burren II's v Rostrevor II's - Fri 3/3/11 in Burren at 8pm under lights.

Should be a good start to the season with 2 traditionally strong reserve teams playing. Burren minus their under 21's i would guess as they play in the Ulster Final on Sunday!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 03, 2011, 07:53:09 PM
Quote from: No1 on March 02, 2011, 07:28:16 PM
QuoteThe big boys in the Premier Reserve league start on Sunday

;D

The big boys are welcome to it, trying to get our boys onto a pitch in the wilds of South Down at Noon on a Sunday was the hardest job I ever had!  Now if throw ins hadda been in The Marine at half 9 the night before then I woulda been guaranteed a full squad every time!!
Agree to a point but we would need to bring some fixtures to the Canal Court and home venues such as Maginns and Quinns Newastle, with the odd venture into Ulster to Kelly's and The elk and then we would be onto a winner as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 03, 2011, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 03, 2011, 07:53:09 PM
Quote from: No1 on March 02, 2011, 07:28:16 PM
QuoteThe big boys in the Premier Reserve league start on Sunday

;D

The big boys are welcome to it, trying to get our boys onto a pitch in the wilds of South Down at Noon on a Sunday was the hardest job I ever had!  Now if throw ins hadda been in The Marine at half 9 the night before then I woulda been guaranteed a full squad every time!!
Agree to a point but we would need to bring some fixtures to the Canal Court and home venues such as Maginns and Quinns Newastle, with the odd venture into Ulster to Kelly's and The elk and then we would be onto a winner as well.

What about a darts league? Just to keep the lads out of the pubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FermGael on March 04, 2011, 12:04:55 PM
Lads why did you have to give the Gaa world Con Renyolds??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 04, 2011, 12:11:48 PM
Quote from: FermGael on March 04, 2011, 12:04:55 PM
Lads why did you have to give the Gaa world Con Renyolds??

Its bad enough having to put up with him refereeing at club level and now he is at it at inter county I hear.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 05, 2011, 12:02:12 AM
Rostrevor beat Burren by 3 points tonight in Burren in first game of PRFL. Good comeback by the reds against an understrength Burren team!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on March 05, 2011, 02:14:46 PM
Anyone know the full story with the Ladies Minor management?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 05, 2011, 03:14:37 PM
Hitting the headlines alright. Not sure what the full story is but to be withdrawing the management two weeks before the championship is lunacy in my opinion. Having bit of knowledge of some of the girls in the panel, there is a good team there and it's an awful awful pity preparations have been hampered in this way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on March 05, 2011, 03:20:51 PM
Heard the girls are fierce loyal to the management and refusing to train or play unless they are reinstated? Surely this isn't true?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on March 06, 2011, 09:10:36 PM
Prem Reserve II

Bredagh 4-08 Tullylish 1-11

Good to see John McAreavey playing in the Snr challenge beforehand
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on March 06, 2011, 09:51:23 PM
Did anyone see the Sigerson final this weekend?, how did the Down boys do?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 07, 2011, 01:41:45 PM
In response to Highlander saw both the final and the semi finals and no Down man stood out.Both Murney and Mc Cartan tried hard for the poly they were nothing special although John Fitzpatrick did rightly for UCD .Murney made a superb catch in the final but looked small compared to the other mid fielders .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 07, 2011, 02:23:16 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 05, 2011, 03:14:37 PM
Hitting the headlines alright. Not sure what the full story is but to be withdrawing the management two weeks before the championship is lunacy in my opinion. Having bit of knowledge of some of the girls in the panel, there is a good team there and it's an awful awful pity preparations have been hampered in this way.

appears to be a personal agenda to me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 08, 2011, 11:19:17 AM
Anyone making the trek to cork on saturday??

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 08, 2011, 01:22:44 PM
what has happened with the girls? Could someone enlighten me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 08, 2011, 03:14:12 PM
yes redandblackareback heading away friday someone reckons 4 hours or so what about yourself . Cant see much change in team only for Murdock in goals
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 08, 2011, 05:45:17 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 08, 2011, 01:22:44 PM
what has happened with the girls? Could someone enlighten me

Ladies County Management Committee have all resigned today. No idea exactly why but something to do with minors ladies team I believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 09, 2011, 08:37:59 AM
Would someone please explain what exactly is the issue there with ladies minor team.
What is the fall-out over?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 09, 2011, 10:28:01 AM


The main protagonists would appear to be duking it out here:

http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/MessagePage.aspx?TopicID=8084&Latest=1#Latest (http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/MessagePage.aspx?TopicID=8084&Latest=1#Latest)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: smokeyjoe on March 12, 2011, 09:52:54 PM
Having just finished watching the game! I'm frustrated; there are a number of things which could have been done to avoid such a roasting!! I think that the game itself was a bit of a reality check for some of the people on these boards! We are clearly nowhere near the quality of that Cork team! The things that really disappoint me; Gordon not being taken out into the middle, we could not compete in the area plus to make matters worse he was getting a roasting in full back!! It didn't take master tactician to work that out! Was pleasantly surprised at how well Laverty preformed (I'm not a fan to be honest) but he showed tonight he has a role within the squad, same goes for Murtagh thought he played very well, put as the cork midfield were on top was starved of balls coming in!!

The lack of  clean and break ball won in the middle was horrendous. I think I could count on one hand the amount of catches we took on one hand, and break ball wasnt much better! I can't blame Murdock for his kicking (first game starting and although there were a few dodgy ones overall you can't say much other than that I hope McVeigh will be back soon, Murdock not just ready yet), I think that he wasn't helped with the work rate of the rest of the boys! Sometimes it didn't look as if some of them really wanted it!

Lack of discipline was shocking at times, have we not learnt any lessons from the final, (any fouls would be punished) they were tonight!! Also short frees in our own half/ inside our 45 puts us under serious pressure!!

Clarke played well in the first half when marked by cadogan, but was soundly marked by noel o Leary who won't give him the time on the ball that he needs to pull of those passes! People talk about how he is the complete footballer! I believe he is far from it! Technically very gifted, but sometimes I doubt his ability to win the dirty ball, and I haven't seen much in the way of beating a man! Carrying the ball at pace! Please don't come back a reply saying that I'm slagging him off, I just think there is room for improvement in those areas of his game!!


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on March 13, 2011, 12:44:21 AM
That's 24 exclamation marks in defeat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on March 13, 2011, 03:13:27 AM
Just back from the game. Its a long road home after such a roasting. Dont know what it looked like on TV but Down just werent at the game. Cork looked fitter, more athletic, more hungry than Down throughout the whole game. Puts the AIF in context - Down not near the same level as Cork. We were beaten comprehensively at midfield on kickouts from both sides, we fluffed too many good chances while Cork seem to run at us and float over points at ease. And the goals!!! - very poor defensive mistakes. All in all, a bad day day for Down - beaten hands down by an impressibve Cork side. We have a lot of work still to do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 13, 2011, 11:38:40 AM
we were given a serious reality check. really disapointed with the management, there didnt seem to be any lessons learned from AI final. midfield cleaned out again and too many easy frees conceded. agree with smokey joe about clarke. we need a result next to take pressure off before the last 2 games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 13, 2011, 08:00:49 PM
bredagh beat clann na banna in the reserve league, no idea what the score was
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 13, 2011, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 13, 2011, 08:00:49 PM
bredagh beat clann na banna in the reserve league, no idea what the score was
Can any posters ever remember a senior team in division 4 playing at all county reserve before?
It'll surely be a quick tour of 4 then out for Bredagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 14, 2011, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 13, 2011, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 13, 2011, 08:00:49 PM
bredagh beat clann na banna in the reserve league, no idea what the score was
Can any posters ever remember a senior team in division 4 playing at all county reserve before?
It'll surely be a quick tour of 4 then out for Bredagh.
For one or two years in the eighties, Dromara senior team played in the East Down Reserve League instead of Division 4.
A few years later they were in Division 2, and playing in the Senior Championship!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 14, 2011, 12:39:09 PM
Bredagh are Ulster Scor quiz champions and will represent the county and province in the final in Killarney, Congratulations to to the three of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on March 14, 2011, 12:52:00 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 14, 2011, 12:39:09 PM
Bredagh are Ulster Scor quiz champions and will represent the county and province in the final in Killarney, Congratulations to to the three of them.

Yes - well done to the Bredagh quiz team - they were excellent and now have a well deserved shot at the All-Ireland. Good Luck at the start of next month.

For the rest of the Down contingent at the Ulster Scor Final, its unfortunate that the results are based on adjudicator scoring where its impossible to tie markings to outcome! 3rd places awarded almost across the board for Down. Anyway, when's the footy starting.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 14, 2011, 03:15:51 PM
wouldnt be pressing the panic button just yet after saturday night, the most pleasing aspect of the whole performance was the amount of support we had in Cork and speaking to a few cork people after it were quick to praise it also. Fair play to all who made the journey.

Cork are hugely physical and competitive in all areas of the field. Technically they arent the best team in the country but for physciality there is not a team would touch them!

Heads up, 2 games in Newry for us this week!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 14, 2011, 04:11:39 PM
Quote from: western exile on March 14, 2011, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 13, 2011, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 13, 2011, 08:00:49 PM
bredagh beat clann na banna in the reserve league, no idea what the score was
Can any posters ever remember a senior team in division 4 playing at all county reserve before?
It'll surely be a quick tour of 4 then out for Bredagh.
For one or two years in the eighties, Dromara senior team played in the East Down Reserve League instead of Division 4.
A few years later they were in Division 2, and playing in the Senior Championship!

Think Dromara won the IFC in 1990. I mind they beat Rostrevor in the 1st round of the SFC the following year and then ran Downpatrick close in the Quarter Final. Some fall from grace. Dromara must be in Division 4 now ten years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on March 14, 2011, 04:51:38 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 14, 2011, 04:11:39 PM
Quote from: western exile on March 14, 2011, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 13, 2011, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 13, 2011, 08:00:49 PM
bredagh beat clann na banna in the reserve league, no idea what the score was
Can any posters ever remember a senior team in division 4 playing at all county reserve before?
It'll surely be a quick tour of 4 then out for Bredagh.
For one or two years in the eighties, Dromara senior team played in the East Down Reserve League instead of Division 4.
A few years later they were in Division 2, and playing in the Senior Championship!

Think Dromara won the IFC in 1990. I mind they beat Rostrevor in the 1st round of the SFC the following year and then ran Downpatrick close in the Quarter Final. Some fall from grace. Dromara must be in Division 4 now ten years.

ironically i think their fall from grace came from they moved to the new pitch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 14, 2011, 05:22:00 PM
Quote from: Banana Man on March 14, 2011, 04:51:38 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 14, 2011, 04:11:39 PM
Quote from: western exile on March 14, 2011, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 13, 2011, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 13, 2011, 08:00:49 PM
bredagh beat clann na banna in the reserve league, no idea what the score was
Can any posters ever remember a senior team in division 4 playing at all county reserve before?
It'll surely be a quick tour of 4 then out for Bredagh.
For one or two years in the eighties, Dromara senior team played in the East Down Reserve League instead of Division 4.
A few years later they were in Division 2, and playing in the Senior Championship!

Think Dromara won the IFC in 1990. I mind they beat Rostrevor in the 1st round of the SFC the following year and then ran Downpatrick close in the Quarter Final. Some fall from grace. Dromara must be in Division 4 now ten years.

ironically i think their fall from grace came from they moved to the new pitch

Where was their old pitch?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on March 14, 2011, 08:09:48 PM
Few Down fans are getting carried away with Corks domination around the middle their of the field but a quick look at their sheer presence in this area of the field would suggest few teams would match them physically here.

(5) N O'Leary,  5ft 11                                     
(6) P Kissane,  6ft 1                                         
(7) D O'Sullivan; 6ft                                         
( 8 ) A O'Connor, 6ft 4                                       
(9) N Murphy; 6ft 5                                       
(10) F Goold,  6ft 1                                       
(11) P Kelly,    6ft 0                                       
12) P O'Neill  6ft 5     

In my opinion you have to be smart with your kick outs etc against Cork as going down the middle seems to play into their hands. Maybe a more mobile Midfielder like Ambrose couldve moved their big men about more & caused problems.                                   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 14, 2011, 09:13:29 PM
Watchin Saturday nights game again on Setanta, the use of the Down subs where hard to make sence off. Murtagh and Laverty in no way deserved subtituted. Maginn was quiet and him and Poland failed to win any breaking balls, which was critical. James made like for like subs which where uncalled for, the problems didnt lie with our inside forward line. For 50 minutes Down where as good as Cork, but faded badly in last twenty. The scoreline flattered Cork in the end though.
Massive game this Saturday, midfield must improve and also the half backs and half forwards in the break ball stakes. Monaghan looked impressive yesterday against Dublin and are badly in need of points to avoid relegation so it promises to be a great battle. Hopefully Benny can play a role in this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 14, 2011, 09:42:11 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 14, 2011, 04:11:39 PM
Quote from: western exile on March 14, 2011, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 13, 2011, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 13, 2011, 08:00:49 PM
bredagh beat clann na banna in the reserve league, no idea what the score was
Can any posters ever remember a senior team in division 4 playing at all county reserve before?
It'll surely be a quick tour of 4 then out for Bredagh.
For one or two years in the eighties, Dromara senior team played in the East Down Reserve League instead of Division 4.
A few years later they were in Division 2, and playing in the Senior Championship!

Think Dromara won the IFC in 1990. I mind they beat Rostrevor in the 1st round of the SFC the following year and then ran Downpatrick close in the Quarter Final. Some fall from grace. Dromara must be in Division 4 now ten years.

Some memory for a 6 year old  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 14, 2011, 10:14:17 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 14, 2011, 09:13:29 PM
Watchin Saturday nights game again on Setanta, the use of the Down subs where hard to make sence off. Murtagh and Laverty in no way deserved subtituted. Maginn was quiet and him and Poland failed to win any breaking balls, which was critical. James made like for like subs which where uncalled for, the problems didnt lie with our inside forward line. For 50 minutes Down where as good as Cork, but faded badly in last twenty. The scoreline flattered Cork in the end though.
Massive game this Saturday, midfield must improve and also the half backs and half forwards in the break ball stakes. Monaghan looked impressive yesterday against Dublin and are badly in need of points to avoid relegation so it promises to be a great battle. Hopefully Benny can play a role in this one.

Agree with all of this.  I just hope the boys confidence hasnt been knocked by this as they did alot of things right on the night.  They are not as brittle as they once were and james and co have got them mentally stronger but this is a tough test of character on saturday night and if they are able to come through unscathed i fancy them to take one of either dublin or kerrys scalp, more likely kerrys given recent form.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on March 15, 2011, 08:59:04 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 14, 2011, 05:22:00 PM
Quote from: Banana Man on March 14, 2011, 04:51:38 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 14, 2011, 04:11:39 PM
Quote from: western exile on March 14, 2011, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 13, 2011, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 13, 2011, 08:00:49 PM
bredagh beat clann na banna in the reserve league, no idea what the score was
Can any posters ever remember a senior team in division 4 playing at all county reserve before?
It'll surely be a quick tour of 4 then out for Bredagh.
For one or two years in the eighties, Dromara senior team played in the East Down Reserve League instead of Division 4.
A few years later they were in Division 2, and playing in the Senior Championship!

Think Dromara won the IFC in 1990. I mind they beat Rostrevor in the 1st round of the SFC the following year and then ran Downpatrick close in the Quarter Final. Some fall from grace. Dromara must be in Division 4 now ten years.

ironically i think their fall from grace came from they moved to the new pitch

Where was their old pitch?

other side of the road about 500 yards away or so, real wee tight bumpy one, best comparison would be brights old pitch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 15, 2011, 11:39:43 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 14, 2011, 09:42:11 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 14, 2011, 04:11:39 PM
Quote from: western exile on March 14, 2011, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 13, 2011, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 13, 2011, 08:00:49 PM
bredagh beat clann na banna in the reserve league, no idea what the score was
Can any posters ever remember a senior team in division 4 playing at all county reserve before?
It'll surely be a quick tour of 4 then out for Bredagh.
For one or two years in the eighties, Dromara senior team played in the East Down Reserve League instead of Division 4.
A few years later they were in Division 2, and playing in the Senior Championship!

Think Dromara won the IFC in 1990. I mind they beat Rostrevor in the 1st round of the SFC the following year and then ran Downpatrick close in the Quarter Final. Some fall from grace. Dromara must be in Division 4 now ten years.

Some memory for a 6 year old  :)

Child prodigy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDun on March 16, 2011, 12:21:50 AM
Big game tonight for our U-21's v Tyrone in U21 championship.  We are big underdogs, but then again we were not fancied two years ago, but thanks to Michael Magee's fantastic goal 10 mins from time we beat Tyrone and progressed all the way to an All-Ireland Final.  Good luck, Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 16, 2011, 09:32:56 AM
Team in Irish news this morning which is strange considering no other county has declared their team

C Heaney - what club??
M Higgins - Bmartin
P Boyle - Castlewellan
R Mc Aleenan - WPoint
A Brannigan - Kilcoo
P Bonny - BFord
D Mc Kibben - Bford
C Poland - Longstone
K Quinn - Mbridge
B O Reilly - Lisland
P Mc Polin - Cduff
C Clarke - Bford
D Savage - Bford
C Harrison - GDrumman
R Brady - Mbridge

Looks like a decent enough team but by all accounts Tyrone are fancied and have some really good players, we ll have it very tough tonight. Good luck to the lads anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on March 16, 2011, 10:21:38 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 16, 2011, 09:32:56 AM
Team in Irish news this morning which is strange considering no other county has declared their team

C Heaney - what club??
M Higgins - Bmartin
P Boyle - Castlewellan
R Mc Aleenan - WPoint
A Brannigan - Kilcoo
P Bonny - BFord
D Mc Kibben - Bford
C Poland - Longstone
K Quinn - Mbridge
B O Reilly - Lisland
P Mc Polin - Cduff
C Clarke - Bford
D Savage - Bford
C Harrison - GDrumman
R Brady - Mbridge

Looks like a decent enough team but by all accounts Tyrone are fancied and have some really good players, we ll have it very tough tonight. Good luck to the lads anyway.

Strong enough team. Think we'll be grand, this team should have beaten Tyrone at minor level that year. Down by 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 16, 2011, 10:53:03 AM
I think that team will have bother with a very potent Tyrone side tonight given our defence is average enough against a brilliant forward line consisting of Peter Harte, Kyle Coney, Paddy McNiece, Ciaran Gervin, Ronan ONeill and Mattie Donnelly. But the first round is the best time to get them. Down are without Paul Devlin, Darren OHagan, Barry Kane and Anton McArdle for different reasons, all starters in the 2010 under 21 team while Gerard McAnulty, Arthur McConnville and Chris Duggan where used as subs last year in Breffnie Park. Devlin and the latter 3 are on the bench tonight though, surprised all 4 are not in from the start. Good luck to the lads involved, be a massive scalp if they could win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 16, 2011, 10:54:03 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 16, 2011, 09:32:56 AM
Team in Irish news this morning which is strange considering no other county has declared their team

C Heaney - what club??
M Higgins - Bmartin
P Boyle - Castlewellan
R Mc Aleenan - WPoint
A Brannigan - Kilcoo
P Bonny - BFord
D Mc Kibben - Bford
C Poland - Longstone
K Quinn - Mbridge
B O Reilly - Lisland
P Mc Polin - Cduff
C Clarke - Bford
D Savage - Bford
C Harrison - GDrumman
R Brady - Mbridge

Looks like a decent enough team but by all accounts Tyrone are fancied and have some really good players, we ll have it very tough tonight. Good luck to the lads anyway.

Goalkeeper is Colm Heaney of Shamrocks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on March 16, 2011, 11:10:47 AM
Wondering where the Burren players are!!!

Down U20 champions and Ulster U21 champions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 16, 2011, 11:20:56 AM
Probably in the stand watching id wager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 16, 2011, 02:02:18 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on March 16, 2011, 11:10:47 AM
Wondering where the Burren players are!!!

Down U20 champions and Ulster U21 champions.

Is Sean Murdock et al still under 21 for this season with the county or overage? Was that Ulster under 21 a 2010 comp?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on March 16, 2011, 02:37:41 PM
Reading down that team it looks good to me, each of those young lads in the forwards are game changers on their day too, really looking forward to seeing how they perform as a unit. Think sean murdock would be over age now wouldnt he??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 16, 2011, 03:27:42 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 16, 2011, 10:53:03 AM
I think that team will have bother with a very potent Tyrone side tonight given our defence is average enough against a brilliant forward line consisting of Peter Harte, Kyle Coney, Paddy McNiece, Ciaran Gervin, Ronan ONeill and Mattie Donnelly. But the first round is the best time to get them. Down are without Paul Devlin, Darren OHagan, Barry Kane and Anton McArdle for different reasons, all starters in the 2010 under 21 team while Gerard McAnulty, Arthur McConnville and Chris Duggan where used as subs last year in Breffnie Park. Devlin and the latter 3 are on the bench tonight though, surprised all 4 are not in from the start. Good luck to the lads involved, be a massive scalp if they could win.

No surprise those boys are not in the team sure Cavan destroyed Down last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on March 16, 2011, 03:54:48 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 16, 2011, 02:02:18 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on March 16, 2011, 11:10:47 AM
Wondering where the Burren players are!!!

Down U20 champions and Ulster U21 champions.

Is Sean Murdock et al still under 21 for this season with the county or overage? Was that Ulster under 21 a 2010 comp?

they won it two years in a row 2010 & 2011 - something wrong not one is playing tonight...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 16, 2011, 05:01:49 PM
The oldest players in that Burren team (who have just won u21s) were too old for the 2010 u20 Down competition,but could play in the u21 ulster (which is just over but is from last season). Sean Murdock, Eamon Toner, Ryan McGovern etc are all too old for this current down team. Not sure about Anton McCardle I think he is eligible alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 16, 2011, 05:58:46 PM
What is the story wih Michael Magee is he over age or not . There is two possibly  three lads on the bench that have played senior football in the Mc Kenna cup not making the u 21 team one of them one of the top scorers when they got to the all ireland final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 16, 2011, 06:01:47 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on March 16, 2011, 05:58:46 PM
What is the story wih Michael Magee is he over age or not . There is two possibly  three lads on the bench that have played senior football in the Mc Kenna cup not making the u 21 team one of them one of the top scorers when they got to the all ireland final

Michael Magee was overage last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on March 16, 2011, 06:57:23 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on March 16, 2011, 02:37:41 PM
Reading down that team it looks good to me, each of those young lads in the forwards are game changers on their day too, really looking forward to seeing how they perform as a unit. Think sean murdock would be over age now wouldnt he??

Yea think Murdock is overage. Agree with you Eaglelord, serious players in the forwards. As much as our lads will be worried about Peter Harte, Kyle Coney(is he injured and on the bench?), Paddy McNiece, Ciaran Gervin, Ronan ONeill and Mattie Donnelly, as Mid Down says, the Tyrone lads will be thinking the same about the Down forwards. Defence a little suspect which would be the only thing worrying me. Stilll think they will win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downman on March 16, 2011, 10:43:43 PM
Anyone have any idea of the seating capacity at Pairc Esler now that the stands have been finished?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 16, 2011, 11:13:40 PM
Very enjoyable game tonight in Newry where the lads put up a great performance and where very unlucky not to come away with the win. I just hope they havent missed the boat. I feel Tyrone will improve and learn a lot from tonight for next weeks replay. Ryan Brady and Ben ORielly where absolutly immence for Down while the others all put in a great shift. Role on to Healy Park this day week for the replay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 16, 2011, 11:24:46 PM
Was enjoyable match alright, thought the defence were more immense than the forwards who seemed to just go round in circles a lot of the time. O reilly was impressive at times and Brady did get a good bit of ball but didn't do much with it.

Unfortunately do feel they have missed the boat and can't see them getting a result down there. Ref was pathetic for both teams.

Thun poucher is a wingnut along the line, he has more signs and signals than rafa benetiz and don't think the players no what he is talking about half the time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 16, 2011, 11:28:39 PM
Is thon clown boyo in the down management?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 16, 2011, 11:38:29 PM
Yea selector/coach/sign language expert. Seemed to be making quite a few decisions along the line to
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on March 17, 2011, 12:45:37 AM
Is Ross Mcgarry in the squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 17, 2011, 01:33:42 AM
 ;D young poucher does get a wee bit excited at times, would love to see the lads heart rate levels during games ;D

I felt for once we stood up to the cynical/physical game Tyrone bring so the men along the line deserve a bit of credit! The team looked reasonably well organised and only on occassions played as individuals, we could have worked the ball out of defence a bit better but maybe that was due to the intense Cavan pressure on our lads, O Reilly was obviously playing as the sweeper and he covered an enormous amount of ground to be fair to the lad.

Exciting game and maybe worth travelling to Omagh for, although hope Down havent missed the boat, there was a lot of mistakes from tyrone and I do feel they will get better, will we???  had a nice couple of pints after the game and I am looking forward to seeing the "Blue Army" do the business tomorow!!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointlad on March 17, 2011, 02:19:07 AM
Quote from: Highlander3 on March 17, 2011, 12:45:37 AM
Is Ross Mcgarry in the squad?
Yeah, saw him there at the match as a waterboy, looked like a hand injury with bandage/cast on it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 17, 2011, 06:06:38 PM
Whats new with Mc Garry being injured . Is Paul Devlin injured or what
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on March 18, 2011, 03:18:13 PM
Thun poucher is a wingnut along the line, he has more signs and signals than rafa benetiz and don't think the players no what he is talking about half the time.

signs - all the man does is clap and shake his fist at the lads.  he is a complete nutter.  Should concentrate on what he is good at - training teams - and step back on game days beccause he is clearly a loose cannon. Not sure the lads understand what exactly he wants either in the kingdom or with the county - think he was causing a bit of controversy in Burren with his seconds team the other week - crazy fool...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on March 20, 2011, 01:34:06 PM
Great result last night after the disappointment of last weekend, we could have & should have been further ahead at half-time though, still nice to be able to go to Dublin & Kerry with Division 1 status for 2012 already secured.Now we can go there hoping for a league final place which was unthinkable 2 years ago, on a side note, I thought  the half-time entertainment was cringe, thought I was at a soccer match in Celtic Park with the songs that were being played over the PA & no on field games or entertainment of any sort for the supporters to enjoy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 21, 2011, 12:43:00 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on March 20, 2011, 01:34:06 PM
Great result last night after the disappointment of last weekend, we could have & should have been further ahead at half-time though, still nice to be able to go to Dublin & Kerry with Division 1 status for 2012 already secured.Now we can go there hoping for a league final place which was unthinkable 2 years ago, on a side note, I thought  the half-time entertainment was cringe, thought I was at a soccer match in Celtic Park with the songs that were being played over the PA & no on field games or entertainment of any sort for the supporters to enjoy.
A League final place is out of their hands, as beating both Dublin and Kerry would still leave them in 3rd place if Dublin beat Galway and Cork beat both Mayo and Armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 21, 2011, 06:23:17 PM
I genuinely expect to beat Dublin:

We have a fast skilful attack - Dublin have shown their defence has huge issues, I believe we will exploit that

Dublin are indirect a lot of the time, trying to pass the ball a lot between themselves - We will intercept

Dublin rely on Brogan - We will do what we have done all year, we will close down fast and force a pass to a less skilful colleague further out

Dublin have scored goals against defences that have gone man-man on their attackers - We are not good enough for that so we will (as above) close down with several players to force a backward pass

Dublin midfield is far from great - The better the opposition midfield the worse we have performed. Our problem area will not be as badly exposed as by Cork.

Dublin is in transition, their team is totally unsettled - We have almost a regular starting 12-13 players, its much better to have a settled side.

Croke park is huge and should allow us to exploit our attack strategy which is to pull the half forwards into midfield to scrap for the ball, leaving a couple of fast players up front fairly isolated, then hit long balls past them for them to sprint on to. It is a simple strategy but worked really well against Galway, Armagh and Mayo.

The freedom of being already safe in the division will allow the lads the freedom to play attacking football, which is our best football.

I am not sure about beating Kerry but I do have great faith we can beat Dublin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on March 21, 2011, 07:19:47 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 21, 2011, 06:23:17 PM
I genuinely expect to beat Dublin:

We have a fast skilful attack - Dublin have shown their defence has huge issues, I believe we will exploit that

Dublin are indirect a lot of the time, trying to pass the ball a lot between themselves - We will intercept

Dublin rely on Brogan - We will do what we have done all year, we will close down fast and force a pass to a less skilful colleague further out

Dublin have scored goals against defences that have gone man-man on their attackers - We are not good enough for that so we will (as above) close down with several players to force a backward pass

Dublin midfield is far from great - The better the opposition midfield the worse we have performed. Our problem area will not be as badly exposed as by Cork.

Dublin is in transition, their team is totally unsettled - We have almost a regular starting 12-13 players, its much better to have a settled side.

Croke park is huge and should allow us to exploit our attack strategy which is to pull the half forwards into midfield to scrap for the ball, leaving a couple of fast players up front fairly isolated, then hit long balls past them for them to sprint on to. It is a simple strategy but worked really well against Galway, Armagh and Mayo.

The freedom of being already safe in the division will allow the lads the freedom to play attacking football, which is our best football.

I am not sure about beating Kerry but I do have great faith we can beat Dublin

After reading this I really cant see how Down wont win the All Ireland!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 21, 2011, 07:21:12 PM
Paudie 123 has clearly not been watching Dublin this season. Yes they have a brittle defence, largely because they all like to attack, and frequently get caught out. Against an attack of Downs quality they will be more circumspect. Also in terms of fitness they are at least 2 months ahead of any other team, in their preparation. While brogan is their main threat, they are far from being reliant on him,  and have a wide scoring threat from half-backs forward. i believe Down can give them a game, but cant see them beating them at this stage of season in Croke Park. The likelihood is that Dublin are peaking too early, and will be taking out easily later on in season
Title: Fixtures
Post by: 5 Sams on March 21, 2011, 11:34:02 PM
Monday 28th March (7 45)
ACPRL Div 2
Tullylish v Longstone(F Lavery)
Tues 29th March (8 00)
ACPRL Div 1
Castlewellan v Rostrevor(A Sharvin)
Wed 30th March (7 00)
ACPRL Div 1
Loughinisland v Burren(M Curran)
Carryduff v An Riocht(M Davy)
Bryansford v Mayobridge(Ryan Mc Dowell)
Clonduff v Kilcoo(D Ryan)
ACPRL Div 2
Ballyholland v Clann na Banna(G Mc Grath)
St Johns v Longstone(P Stacey)
Saval v Bredagh(M Devlin)
Annaclone v Tullylish(E Mc Grath)
Downpatrick v Liatroim(J Killen)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on March 22, 2011, 09:40:30 AM
Does anyone know how Ambrose is getting on ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on March 22, 2011, 11:21:27 AM
Quote from: western exile on March 21, 2011, 12:43:00 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on March 20, 2011, 01:34:06 PM
Great result last night after the disappointment of last weekend, we could have & should have been further ahead at half-time though, still nice to be able to go to Dublin & Kerry with Division 1 status for 2012 already secured.Now we can go there hoping for a league final place which was unthinkable 2 years ago, on a side note, I thought  the half-time entertainment was cringe, thought I was at a soccer match in Celtic Park with the songs that were being played over the PA & no on field games or entertainment of any sort for the supporters to enjoy.
A League final place is out of their hands, as beating both Dublin and Kerry would still leave them in 3rd place if Dublin beat Galway and Cork beat both Mayo and Armagh.

I said 'hoping' for a league final place if you had taken the time to read it properly, i'm well aware of the other teams' current league positions & possible final league positions, but thanks for sharing your mathematical skills with us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 22, 2011, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: downredblack on March 22, 2011, 09:40:30 AM
Does anyone know how Ambrose is getting on ?

Funny I was just going to ask the same question. Anyone from Longstone on this forum who can tell us how he's getting on?

Also what about Liam Doyle, is he getting anywhere near being back to his best?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 22, 2011, 05:54:04 PM
I understand Ambrose is in contention for a run out in Killarney.Liam may need a little longer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 23, 2011, 07:06:14 PM
I really hope ur right  Dubh driocht about Amrbose but i fear u may be being a little optimistic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on March 23, 2011, 07:19:07 PM
just home and cant get to the u21 match anyone to keep us updated? hope we can win!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDun on March 23, 2011, 08:44:58 PM
HT Tyrone 0.05 Down 1.05 according to latest scores on GAA Discussion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 23, 2011, 09:00:59 PM
Quote from: 13aside on March 23, 2011, 07:19:07 PM
just home and cant get to the u21 match anyone to keep us updated? hope we can win!!

http://www.q101west.fm/portal/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=155&Itemid=54
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 23, 2011, 09:02:15 PM
Down lead by 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 23, 2011, 09:06:26 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 23, 2011, 09:02:15 PM
Down lead by 4

Down lead cut to 2 now
15 to go
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 23, 2011, 09:12:58 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 23, 2011, 09:06:26 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 23, 2011, 09:02:15 PM
Down lead by 4

Down lead cut to 2 now
15 to go

Down clinging on, no more scores.
Harrison scored the goal for Down and is now in goals keeper gone off injured.
All Tyrone now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 23, 2011, 09:19:37 PM
4 mins injury time left. Down up by a point sounds a great game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 23, 2011, 09:25:11 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 23, 2011, 09:19:37 PM
4 mins injury time left. Down up by a point sounds a great game
extra time
Down poor in last 15. Should prob be out,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 23, 2011, 10:17:11 PM
Draw again after et! Boys will be exhausted!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 24, 2011, 06:06:30 PM
Fair play to this team - reminder of the seniors in 2008.I know the management ( at least Neill Collins and Stephen Poacher) have got a bit of abuse but they must have done something right as the switches seemd to have worked. Gotta remember that 3 years ago at minor we  were well beat in Omagh at the first round. It's a wonder Connaire Harrison didn't drive the bus home as he did just about everything else !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on March 24, 2011, 06:51:57 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 24, 2011, 06:06:30 PM
Fair play to this team - reminder of the seniors in 2008.I know the management ( at least Neill Collins and Stephen Poacher) have got a bit of abuse but they must have done something right as the switches seemd to have worked. Gotta remember that 3 years ago at minor we  were well beat in Omagh at the first round. It's a wonder Connaire Harrison didn't drive the bus home as he did just about everything else !

Was it not only bout 5 points?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 24, 2011, 08:13:48 PM
With 10 teams in the top 2 divisions this season, 12 in div 3 and 11 in div 4, what is the promotion and relegation situation in div 3 this year. I presume 2 teams get promoted, do the league winners gain automatic promotion? and if so do 2nd and 3rd play-off for the final spot or 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

How many teams get relegated this year? Is div 3 to end up with 10,11 or 12 teams for 2012?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 24, 2011, 11:03:50 PM
Ulster Under 21 Championship 2nd replay against Tyrone will take place on Wed 30th March in Athletic Grounds Armagh at 8pm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on March 25, 2011, 01:08:44 PM
MDG i see you's have a big night tonight with the official opening, seen it about a month ago from the road when i was driving past, any photos of it up close do you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 25, 2011, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: Banana Man on March 25, 2011, 01:08:44 PM
MDG i see you's have a big night tonight with the official opening, seen it about a month ago from the road when i was driving past, any photos of it up close do you?

Yeah big night planned for this evening, hope all goes well. Credit must go to the 3 senior players who organised this event. There will be a host of past and current stars taking part in the game as well a a half time game featuring Kilcoo and Dundrum under 8's. A great night fot these kids from both clubs as well. I dont have any photos handy but will have a few in next few days. Nice one in this weeks Mourne Observer taken from the main road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 25, 2011, 03:27:28 PM
I have a wee question.

The last time Down were drawn for a first round home championship match in Newry was 1999 against Antrim. But we did play Cavan three times in Casement 2001, 2004, 2006 and Monaghan in 2003 there too. Does anyone remember why we played these matches at Casement not home in Newry?

Curse my memory!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 25, 2011, 04:19:23 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 25, 2011, 03:27:28 PM
I have a wee question.

The last time Down were drawn for a first round home championship match in Newry was 1999 against Antrim. But we did play Cavan three times in Casement 2001, 2004, 2006 and Monaghan in 2003 there too. Does anyone remember why we played these matches at Casement not home in Newry?

Curse my memory!

Was the Marshes not available because of Health and Safely issues? if some of those games above were in quarter fiianls then nuetral ground is the answer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 25, 2011, 05:14:07 PM
Quote from: umpire on March 25, 2011, 04:19:23 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 25, 2011, 03:27:28 PM
I have a wee question.

The last time Down were drawn for a first round home championship match in Newry was 1999 against Antrim. But we did play Cavan three times in Casement 2001, 2004, 2006 and Monaghan in 2003 there too. Does anyone remember why we played these matches at Casement not home in Newry?

Curse my memory!

Was the Marshes not available because of Health and Safely issues? if some of those games above were in quarter fiianls then nuetral ground is the answer.
While Páirc Esler was under redevelopment there was no venue in the county with the minimum requirements for a Ulster Championship match.  e.g. 18,000 H&S capacity
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 25, 2011, 09:34:01 PM
At the risk of appearing pedantic, PAULD123, the last time Down were drawn at home for a first round USC tie was not 1999 but  2007. That was the year we beat Cavan after a replay in the preliminary round and lost to Monaghan at Newry in the first round proper. It was also the match in which our starting half-back line was Ronan Murtagh, Kevin McGuigan and John Clarke, decent players who were hopelessly out of position on the day. Hopefully, James has a little more cop-on in these matters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 25, 2011, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 25, 2011, 09:34:01 PM
At the risk of appearing pedantic, PAULD123, the last time Down were drawn at home for a first round USC tie was not 1999 but  2007. That was the year we beat Cavan after a replay in the preliminary round and lost to Monaghan at Newry in the first round proper. It was also the match in which our starting half-back line was Ronan Murtagh, Kevin McGuigan and John Clarke, decent players who were hopelessly out of position on the day. Hopefully, James has a little more cop-on in these matters.

I could be wrong but I am pretty sure we were drawn away in 2007. We only played in Newry because of a replay but initially the draw was a home game for Cavan which finished level 2-11 to 3-08. So the last time we actually came out the draw first was 2006 against Monaghan.

If that's right then its a bit unfair, surely if you are drawn away one year your next year should entitle you to a home match. This year we are in Armagh, Last year Donegal, 2009 away to Fermanagh, 2008 away to Tyrone, and 2006 away to Cavan. Its not right that its 5 years since we had a first round home game. But not important, just was wondering why we'd been playing home games in casement. Thanks for the answers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 45 on March 25, 2011, 11:00:19 PM
This was because Elser under construction at the time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack4ever on March 25, 2011, 11:07:58 PM
Does anyone know if there will be any internet iradio coverage of the St. Colman's game tomorrow afternoon? I'm hoping Five FM will have it.  If someone knows,  I'd reallly appreciate it. C'mon the College!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 25, 2011, 11:35:58 PM
PAULD123, if you are drawn away in the preliminary round of the USC and win, you still automatically get a home draw in the first round proper, which is what happened to us in 2007. In the past, the overall USC draw was on a two-year cycle, which was much fairer and meant that an away draw in one season had to be followed by a home draw against the same opposition twelve months later or vice versa.  This system was abandoned in 2002 in favour of a new draw every year.

Prior to the change, in our opening USC draws, we got Antrim away in 2000 and at home the previous year, away to Tyrone in 98 (Ornagh) but a home draw (switched to Clones) in 97, Donegal in 96 and 95 (both at Clones), Derry away in 94 and at home in 93, Armagh away in 92 and at home in 91 and so on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 25, 2011, 11:41:10 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 25, 2011, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: Banana Man on March 25, 2011, 01:08:44 PM
MDG i see you's have a big night tonight with the official opening, seen it about a month ago from the road when i was driving past, any photos of it up close do you?

Yeah big night planned for this evening, hope all goes well. Credit must go to the 3 senior players who organised this event. There will be a host of past and current stars taking part in the game as well a a half time game featuring Kilcoo and Dundrum under 8's. A great night fot these kids from both clubs as well. I dont have any photos handy but will have a few in next few days. Nice one in this weeks Mourne Observer taken from the main road.

Was a fantastic experience for our Under 8 Boys team in Kilcoo tonight. For young fellas of this age to play infront of a near 1000 strong crowd on an occasion like this is something that they will always remember.

Before the game we got to parade behind the St Malachy's Band around the pitch. We took in the 1st half of the Kilcoo Seniors v Ulster Select game before heading to the pitch at halftime to take on the Kilcoo Under 8's in a 12-a-side game under the floodlights. For the record Kilcoo were victorious on a 2-04 to 1-02 scoreline :(

Some very entertaining moments in the Senior game. Tomas McCann's headed point and Joe Brolly and Mickey Linden's cameos were highly enjoyable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 25, 2011, 11:48:22 PM
Noticed that Down are + 5 for Sundays game in Down this weekend. Laois are not bad but Down bar the last 10 minutes against Limerick were playing well.

What's the team for Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 26, 2011, 01:07:54 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 25, 2011, 11:41:10 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 25, 2011, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: Banana Man on March 25, 2011, 01:08:44 PM
MDG i see you's have a big night tonight with the official opening, seen it about a month ago from the road when i was driving past, any photos of it up close do you?

Yeah big night planned for this evening, hope all goes well. Credit must go to the 3 senior players who organised this event. There will be a host of past and current stars taking part in the game as well a a half time game featuring Kilcoo and Dundrum under 8's. A great night fot these kids from both clubs as well. I dont have any photos handy but will have a few in next few days. Nice one in this weeks Mourne Observer taken from the main road.

Was a fantastic experience for our Under 8 Boys team in Kilcoo tonight. For young fellas of this age to play infront of a near 1000 strong crowd on an occasion like this is something that they will always remember.

Before the game we got to parade behind the St Malachy's Band around the pitch. We took in the 1st half of the Kilcoo Seniors v Ulster Select game before heading to the pitch at halftime to take on the Kilcoo Under 8's in a 12-a-side game under the floodlights. For the record Kilcoo were victorious on a 2-04 to 1-02 scoreline :(

Some very entertaining moments in the Senior game. Tomas McCann's headed point and Joe Brolly and Mickey Linden's cameos were highly enjoyable.

Very enjoyable evenings entertainment and i apologise for not mentioning the clubs of Bryansford, Burren, Castlewellan, Liatriom and Clonduff earlier as Well as Dun Droma for participating in the half time games and parade. Fair play to all the ulster lads for playing, the young fans where delighted to see their heroes in action. For the record the Ulster team consisted of Dan Gordon, Kevy McKernan, Benny C, Danny Hughes, Marty Clarke, Mickey Linden, Gregory McCartan and Decky Alder of An Dun, Tomas McCann and Kevin McGourty of Antrim, Fergal Doherty and Joe Brolly of Derry and Ciaran McKeever, Steven McDonnell, Paul McGrane, Johnny Hanratty and Jamie Clarke of Armagh. Pat McEaneaney of Monaghan refereed the game on our splendid new facility.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 27, 2011, 04:12:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 25, 2011, 11:35:58 PM
PAULD123, if you are drawn away in the preliminary round of the USC and win, you still automatically get a home draw in the first round proper, which is what happened to us in 2007. In the past, the overall USC draw was on a two-year cycle, which was much fairer and meant that an away draw in one season had to be followed by a home draw against the same opposition twelve months later or vice versa.  This system was abandoned in 2002 in favour of a new draw every year.

Prior to the change, in our opening USC draws, we got Antrim away in 2000 and at home the previous year, away to Tyrone in 98 (Ornagh) but a home draw (switched to Clones) in 97, Donegal in 96 and 95 (both at Clones), Derry away in 94 and at home in 93, Armagh away in 92 and at home in 91 and so on.

Thanks for clearing all that up for me. I'm a bit embarrassed as I really should have known it myself but better to be corrected than be ignorant.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on March 28, 2011, 10:39:59 AM
2 great results for both the county's hurling teams yesterday, well done to both!! there's a real feel good factor in every team in the county now, great to see
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 28, 2011, 11:25:35 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on March 28, 2011, 10:39:59 AM
2 great results for both the county's hurling teams yesterday, well done to both!! there's a real feel good factor in every team in the county now, great to see

South Down Hurlers have qualified for the Division 4 league final and promotion

If Down Hurlers beat Westmeath in their last game they will probably be safe in Division 2

The College will contribute Johnston, Mooney, McCardle, Lively & Haughy to the Minor team managed by the legendary Pete McGrath

Our U21's are still alive and kicking in the championship (just!!) against a tremendous Tyrone side

The seniors are safe in the top flight

Certainly the best time in a long time to be supporting the red&black boys. It is not at all unrealistic to say that we have a serious chance of winning the Ulster senior football and Ulster minor football titles. And a decent chance at the Ulster senior hurling crown.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on March 28, 2011, 01:31:39 PM
St Colmans will also have Michael Cunnigham the Castlewellan goalkeeper. He done nets for the minors last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 29, 2011, 01:10:11 PM
Would i be right in saying that the senior leagues start 2 wks on friday, the 15th
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 29, 2011, 01:50:23 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 29, 2011, 01:10:11 PM
Would i be right in saying that the senior leagues start 2 wks on friday, the 15th


Yep 100% right.

BTW Tomorrow night's ACPRL games postponed because of the U 21s
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on March 29, 2011, 02:03:54 PM
Is that definitely correct 5sams? Was looking forward to a run out in ballyholland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 29, 2011, 03:01:45 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on March 29, 2011, 02:03:54 PM
Is that definitely correct 5sams? Was looking forward to a run out in ballyholland.

Yep...e mail from Sean Rooney this morning..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 29, 2011, 11:33:21 PM
Rostrevor beat Castlewellen in the PRFL tonight, don't know if there were any other games played. Boys got out of jail with a goal in the last min havin been losing the whole game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 30, 2011, 10:17:13 AM
is the u21 game on the radio anywhere tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 30, 2011, 11:40:57 AM
Paddy Hunter 5 fm?? Think their broadcasting.. they had updates the last night in omagh..

Was going to go tonight but 8pm is very late and its a horrible night  >:(

Anyone on here going could maybe post a report later?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 30, 2011, 08:57:00 PM
Whats everyone views on the league this year.. Byransford and Burren are the teams to fear most while Kilcoo Rostrevor and the Bridge will take points of most sides! It will be an interesting year and i am looking forward to seeing Burren play with a bit of confidence as they having been playing very well in the Ulster league and they have a Ulster final to look forward to.. Burren could win more Ulster titles in two months than most of our illustriious clubs have ever won  :D :D
Only messing :D.. I predict the Ford to finish top while Burren to play the Bridge or Kilcoo in the semi final !!!
I will reserve my championship thoughts for later in the year for my loyal fans !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on March 30, 2011, 11:41:41 PM
Under 21s beat tonight by a good margin.. lets face it a 5 point hammering... What is the story here? I know they had three tough games - but so did Tyrone and they looked fresh tonight... Time for the most unsuccessful management team in last ten years to step aside and let someone in who knows what they are doing.  This was a good group of lads - but again we get nothing from them... and two draws dont count as anything... Let Sean Ward take the reins here - the man has won titles with Burren and in Ulster - he played for and captained his county at every level so would get the respect he deserves.  He is young and enthusiastic so let him at it and move these planks aside.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 31, 2011, 12:02:07 AM
Quote from: alba2 on March 30, 2011, 11:41:41 PM
Under 21s beat tonight by a good margin.. lets face it a 5 point hammering... What is the story here? I know they had three tough games - but so did Tyrone and they looked fresh tonight... Time for the most unsuccessful management team in last ten years to step aside and let someone in who knows what they are doing.  This was a good group of lads - but again we get nothing from them... and two draws dont count as anything... Let Sean Ward take the reins here - the man has won titles with Burren and in Ulster - he played for and captained his county at every level so would get the respect he deserves.  He is young and enthusiastic so let him at it and move these planks aside.

Against a team who at this grade were All Ireland minor champions. Put things into perspective, not like they were playing Kilkenny, London or something. Although, they are as you said a good bunch of players, they were still up against on paper, a team ranked at number one in Ireland at this level.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on March 31, 2011, 08:24:36 AM
Things are fully in perspective.  It dont matter they were all ireland champions three years ago - at that age group - ya tend to lose so many players - but yet Tyrone seem to hold on to most of theirs.  Team selection was not good nor were the subs used in the game.  these down players had 5 or 6 senior panelists - but you couldnt really tell - kyle Coney and Peter Harte play for Tyrone Seniors - but look like senior intercounty players.  We have had a good record at this level for last while and it has beena major springboard to our success at senior level.   We need to maintain this to keep improving at the top level.  I honestly fancy Cork to win the all ireland this year at u21. With Aidan walso and Sheehan playing and others - they have the physicality to beat anyone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 31, 2011, 09:12:07 AM
I think you're being more than a tad harsh and unrealistic there Alba2. If Down had have beaten, say Fermanagh and Donegal, then lost this tie to Tyrone after a double replay in the Ulster Final, then you would have nothing but praise for them. This is knockout football, and when two good teams meet, then one of them is not going to progress.

You're not helping your point either by talking up that because a hadful of them have played a few McKenna Cup matches, then they're senior intercounty players, and as for your suggestion that Sean Ward, who has been handed a conveyor belt of talent for a club tournament that most clubs couldn't give a fiddlers about, might be a better manager than the incumbents - well that's a leap of faith. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on March 31, 2011, 10:49:17 AM
I think you're being more than a tad harsh and unrealistic there Alba2. If Down had have beaten, say Fermanagh and Donegal, then lost this tie to Tyrone after a double replay in the Ulster Final, then you would have nothing but praise for them. This is knockout football, and when two good teams meet, then one of them is not going to progress.

You're not helping your point either by talking up that because a hadful of them have played a few McKenna Cup matches, then they're senior intercounty players, and as for your suggestion that Sean Ward, who has been handed a conveyor belt of talent for a club tournament that most clubs couldn't give a fiddlers about, might be a better manager than the incumbents - well that's a leap of faith. 

I did praise the team on previous outings in the last two weeks but last night was just an inept performance.  Mckenna cup is the cutting teeth ground for intercounty players - so if they play in a senior competition - they are senior players.  And dont start about most clubs not giving a fiddlers about the u20/u21 competition caus thats a load of bollix.  When teams like Mayobridge, Rostrevor,  Warrenpoint, Kingdom, Burren, Longstone and others enter a competition - they are in it to devlop players and to win it.  Just because Burren have won 5 in a row - now all ya hear is - sure no one takes it seriously - load of crap.  maybe the manager has been given this conveyor belt of talent - but he still has to work with them, select the best 15 for the game and the best 5 to be introduced - and he is obviously getting it right.  Those donkeys in charge of the U21 team last night also had this conveyor belt of talent but were too loyal to some players when others on the panel were better.  if Ward had been in charge - i feel the players would have had to go that extra mile to get on the team as he has no favourites - this management clearly had.  But its only my opinion.. But hey - thats what this board is about.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on March 31, 2011, 11:04:23 AM
i think calling the u21 management team "donkeys" is way over the top. me thinks you have a personal issue here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on March 31, 2011, 11:14:37 AM
No personal issue at all. Just looking at their record over the last two years.... Total number of championship games won = zero.   Maybe donkeys is a bit harsh and i retract that statement - but they need to be moved on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 31, 2011, 01:33:29 PM
Last years performance by the under 21 management was poor but there has been some sort of improvement this year and would therefore give Collins one more year at it to win something on the condition that Poucher goes...........an EMBARRASSMENT to Down football.

As for a new manager if there was one, think they should be proven at club level or schools level, perhaps barney mcaleenan, cathal murray, johnny mccumisky or even ray morgan if he would do it.  Sean Ward does seem to be doing something right with Burren but id wait to see how he gets on taking a senior job if he does so before giving him the county 21 job ( And i know Collins was given the job without any previous experience )
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on March 31, 2011, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 31, 2011, 01:33:29 PM
Last years performance by the under 21 management was poor but there has been some sort of improvement this year and would therefore give Collins one more year at it to win something on the condition that Poucher goes...........an EMBARRASSMENT to Down football.

As for a new manager if there was one, think they should be proven at club level or schools level, perhaps barney mcaleenan, cathal murray, johnny mccumisky or even ray morgan if he would do it.  Sean Ward does seem to be doing something right with Burren but id wait to see how he gets on taking a senior job if he does so before giving him the county 21 job ( And i know Collins was given the job without any previous experience )

Give him one more year - are you serious?? two good panels of players wasted now at this stage - why wait on another one getting the same treatment... Yes Poacher should go as he is a liability to any team with his hyper activity on the line and getting himself involved last night in the tunnel wasnt the wisest thing to do in the world... But knowing in our county board they will promote him rather thatn replace him.. i totally agree with your choices of management and all names mentioned have some clout - but just dont know if they would step up to the job.. Collins got the job as a stop gap as they couldnt find anyone else - lets get shot of him and his staff and replace with genuine quality...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Radda bout yeee on March 31, 2011, 03:00:27 PM
What are Annaclone like?
Whose there best players?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on March 31, 2011, 03:06:48 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on March 31, 2011, 03:00:27 PM
What are Annaclone like?
Whose there best players?

Intermediate finalists from last year. Quite a good club with 3 county panalists in Kevin Anderson, Benny and Gary McArdle. They would be strongly fancied by some for the IFC this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 31, 2011, 09:29:09 PM
Quote from: alba2 on March 31, 2011, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 31, 2011, 01:33:29 PM
Last years performance by the under 21 management was poor but there has been some sort of improvement this year and would therefore give Collins one more year at it to win something on the condition that Poucher goes...........an EMBARRASSMENT to Down football.

As for a new manager if there was one, think they should be proven at club level or schools level, perhaps barney mcaleenan, cathal murray, johnny mccumisky or even ray morgan if he would do it.  Sean Ward does seem to be doing something right with Burren but id wait to see how he gets on taking a senior job if he does so before giving him the county 21 job ( And i know Collins was given the job without any previous experience )

Give him one more year - are you serious?? two good panels of players wasted now at this stage - why wait on another one getting the same treatment... Yes Poacher should go as he is a liability to any team with his hyper activity on the line and getting himself involved last night in the tunnel wasnt the wisest thing to do in the world... But knowing in our county board they will promote him rather thatn replace him.. i totally agree with your choices of management and all names mentioned have some clout - but just dont know if they would step up to the job.. Collins got the job as a stop gap as they couldnt find anyone else - lets get shot of him and his staff and replace with genuine quality...

Who would you suggest as genuine quality?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 31, 2011, 09:56:12 PM
QuoteWhat are Annaclone like?
Whose there best players?

Aidy Fegan in the half forward line is a top class club player. 

Too good for Div 2 and not good enough for Div 1 is a fair enough assessment I think.  They can look after themselves if it cuts up rough too!   ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 31, 2011, 11:46:14 PM
Alba2 - A Burren man residing in Killough. You should transfer some of the knowledge you gained from Sean Ward and use it to transform the fortunes of your local club Bright :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 01, 2011, 12:11:51 AM
Anyone hear of any players dropped from the down panel this week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 01, 2011, 07:04:44 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 01, 2011, 12:11:51 AM
Anyone hear of any players dropped from the down panel this week?

Apparently the colours of the magpies are gone coincidentally at the same time that the county is about to announce its new sponsorship deal with Sainsburys. That is a more worrying issue altogether, and it's not because the colour of the enemy - orange - will now be splashed across the Down jersey but to be the first county to accept sposnorship from a major English conglomerate is not the Dowm way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 01, 2011, 10:00:03 AM
Quote from: Leo on April 01, 2011, 07:04:44 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 01, 2011, 12:11:51 AM
Anyone hear of any players dropped from the down panel this week?

Apparently the colours of the magpies are gone coincidentally at the same time that the county is about to announce its new sponsorship deal with Sainsburys. That is a more worrying issue altogether, and it's not because the colour of the enemy - orange - will now be splashed across the Down jersey but to be the first county to accept sposnorship from a major English conglomerate is not the Dowm way.
april fools we aint falling for that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 01, 2011, 10:21:02 AM
Quote from: John Martin on March 31, 2011, 03:06:48 PM
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on March 31, 2011, 03:00:27 PM
What are Annaclone like?
Whose there best players?

Intermediate finalists from last year. Quite a good club with 3 county panalists in Kevin Anderson, Benny and Gary McArdle. They would be strongly fancied by some for the IFC this year.
One of those robbed from Aghaderg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 01, 2011, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on March 31, 2011, 09:29:09 PM
Quote from: alba2 on March 31, 2011, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 31, 2011, 01:33:29 PM
Last years performance by the under 21 management was poor but there has been some sort of improvement this year and would therefore give Collins one more year at it to win something on the condition that Poucher goes...........an EMBARRASSMENT to Down football.

As for a new manager if there was one, think they should be proven at club level or schools level, perhaps barney mcaleenan, cathal murray, johnny mccumisky or even ray morgan if he would do it.  Sean Ward does seem to be doing something right with Burren but id wait to see how he gets on taking a senior job if he does so before giving him the county 21 job ( And i know Collins was given the job without any previous experience )

Give him one more year - are you serious?? two good panels of players wasted now at this stage - why wait on another one getting the same treatment... Yes Poacher should go as he is a liability to any team with his hyper activity on the line and getting himself involved last night in the tunnel wasnt the wisest thing to do in the world... But knowing in our county board they will promote him rather thatn replace him.. i totally agree with your choices of management and all names mentioned have some clout - but just dont know if they would step up to the job.. Collins got the job as a stop gap as they couldnt find anyone else - lets get shot of him and his staff and replace with genuine quality...

Who would you suggest as genuine quality?

barney mcaleenan, cathal murray, johnny mccumisky or even ray morgan - can ya not read!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 01, 2011, 12:33:26 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 01, 2011, 07:04:44 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 01, 2011, 12:11:51 AM
Anyone hear of any players dropped from the down panel this week?

Apparently the colours of the magpies are gone coincidentally at the same time that the county is about to announce its new sponsorship deal with Sainsburys. That is a more worrying issue altogether, and it's not because the colour of the enemy - orange - will now be splashed across the Down jersey but to be the first county to accept sposnorship from a major English conglomerate is not the Dowm way.

So no then..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 01, 2011, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 01, 2011, 10:00:03 AM
Quote from: Leo on April 01, 2011, 07:04:44 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 01, 2011, 12:11:51 AM
Anyone hear of any players dropped from the down panel this week?

Apparently the colours of the magpies are gone coincidentally at the same time that the county is about to announce its new sponsorship deal with Sainsburys. That is a more worrying issue altogether, and it's not because the colour of the enemy - orange - will now be splashed across the Down jersey but to be the first county to accept sposnorship from a major English conglomerate is not the Dowm way.
april fools we aint falling for that

You've enjoyed the cornflakes snoopdog, fair play, but it did get a few going in the Quays!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 01, 2011, 02:30:20 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 01, 2011, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 01, 2011, 10:00:03 AM
Quote from: Leo on April 01, 2011, 07:04:44 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 01, 2011, 12:11:51 AM
Anyone hear of any players dropped from the down panel this week?

Apparently the colours of the magpies are gone coincidentally at the same time that the county is about to announce its new sponsorship deal with Sainsburys. That is a more worrying issue altogether, and it's not because the colour of the enemy - orange - will now be splashed across the Down jersey but to be the first county to accept sposnorship from a major English conglomerate is not the Dowm way.
april fools we aint falling for that

You've enjoyed the cornflakes snoopdog, fair play, but it did get a few going in the Quays!

i have to say i nearly fell for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on April 01, 2011, 03:42:25 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 01, 2011, 12:33:26 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 01, 2011, 07:04:44 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 01, 2011, 12:11:51 AM
Anyone hear of any players dropped from the down panel this week?

Apparently the colours of the magpies are gone coincidentally at the same time that the county is about to announce its new sponsorship deal with Sainsburys. That is a more worrying issue altogether, and it's not because the colour of the enemy - orange - will now be splashed across the Down jersey but to be the first county to accept sposnorship from a major English conglomerate is not the Dowm way.

So no then..

Gary McArdle from annaclone and packie downy from drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 01, 2011, 04:03:18 PM
surprised Downey lasted this long myself
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 01, 2011, 04:08:03 PM
Quote from: alba2 on March 31, 2011, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 31, 2011, 01:33:29 PM
Last years performance by the under 21 management was poor but there has been some sort of improvement this year and would therefore give Collins one more year at it to win something on the condition that Poucher goes...........an EMBARRASSMENT to Down football.

As for a new manager if there was one, think they should be proven at club level or schools level, perhaps barney mcaleenan, cathal murray, johnny mccumisky or even ray morgan if he would do it.  Sean Ward does seem to be doing something right with Burren but id wait to see how he gets on taking a senior job if he does so before giving him the county 21 job ( And i know Collins was given the job without any previous experience )

Give him one more year - are you serious?? two good panels of players wasted now at this stage - why wait on another one getting the same treatment... Yes Poacher should go as he is a liability to any team with his hyper activity on the line and getting himself involved last night in the tunnel wasnt the wisest thing to do in the world... But knowing in our county board they will promote him rather thatn replace him.. i totally agree with your choices of management and all names mentioned have some clout - but just dont know if they would step up to the job.. Collins got the job as a stop gap as they couldnt find anyone else - lets get shot of him and his staff and replace with genuine quality...

It probably wouldn't be feasible for Cathal Murray as the school season reaches its peak at the same time as U21 kicks off. When Pete was doing the minors he had Ray Morgan working with him at the school who came more to the fore in the management of the College team. Also the Minor season really gets going with the Championship after Hogan cup is long over. But otherwise it would seem like a logical progression for Cathal especially as many of next year's team would be his former St Colman's players.

The other names you mentioned are all good calls but I don't think Ray Morgan would do it at this stage. I feel it is such a  pity he was never a coach at county level, think we lost out badly there. Certainly Sean Ward is a good prospect also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on April 01, 2011, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on April 01, 2011, 04:03:18 PM
surprised Downey lasted this long myself

why so??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 01, 2011, 04:42:36 PM
When Kyran Smyth took Bright a few years back, he was wondering why he was so short of players for a match one particular night, only to be told there was a big skittles tournement on and half the team was taking part. You would have your work cut out alba2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 01, 2011, 04:53:08 PM
Packie downey is always knocking about the panel but never makes the break through he then seems to lose heart and then disappears until the next year was just surprised he was still about thats all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 01, 2011, 05:03:43 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on April 01, 2011, 03:42:25 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 01, 2011, 12:33:26 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 01, 2011, 07:04:44 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 01, 2011, 12:11:51 AM
Anyone hear of any players dropped from the down panel this week?

Apparently the colours of the magpies are gone coincidentally at the same time that the county is about to announce its new sponsorship deal with Sainsburys. That is a more worrying issue altogether, and it's not because the colour of the enemy - orange - will now be splashed across the Down jersey but to be the first county to accept sposnorship from a major English conglomerate is not the Dowm way.

So no then..

Gary McArdle from annaclone and packie downy from drumgath

Colm Murney of Rostrevor and Jason Brown of Clonduff are the other two dropped.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 01, 2011, 05:15:17 PM
Collected my club tickets for Saturday - worst corner of Croke Park they could put me. Then I checked Ticketmaster to find that much better seats are available in Lower Hogan. Glad of any seat to see this match but still think this is totally wrong, it's not like it'll be a full house .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 01, 2011, 05:40:44 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 01, 2011, 05:15:17 PM
Collected my club tickets for Saturday - worst corner of Croke Park they could put me. Then I checked Ticketmaster to find that much better seats are available in Lower Hogan. Glad of any seat to see this match but still think this is totally wrong, it's not like it'll be a full house .

+1 fecking joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 01, 2011, 07:52:07 PM
The Dublin county board will be responsible for allocating the tickets.  A complaint should be made, people who get tickets through their club should get the best tickets.  Ticketmaster should get the rest. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on April 01, 2011, 09:30:22 PM
Quote from: mournerambler on April 01, 2011, 05:40:44 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 01, 2011, 05:15:17 PM
Collected my club tickets for Saturday - worst corner of Croke Park they could put me. Then I checked Ticketmaster to find that much better seats are available in Lower Hogan. Glad of any seat to see this match but still think this is totally wrong, it's not like it'll be a full house .

+1 fecking joke

+1 as well! I could have got quite good tickets of ticketmaster a few weeks ago but decided to be a good club man + get them off our club to possibly(hopefully :)) help with our allocation later in the year. Bad idea! I asked for Hogan + they've put me in Section336 RowAA, ffs! If it rains i'll have to listen to the wife as well!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on April 01, 2011, 09:32:01 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 01, 2011, 07:52:07 PM
The Dublin county board will be responsible for allocating the tickets.  A complaint should be made, people who get tickets through their club should get the best tickets.  Ticketmaster should get the rest.

Agreed!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 02, 2011, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on April 01, 2011, 09:32:01 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 01, 2011, 07:52:07 PM
The Dublin county board will be responsible for allocating the tickets.  A complaint should be made, people who get tickets through their club should get the best tickets.  Ticketmaster should get the rest.

Agreed!
in the past i have got my tickets from the club and from tickemaster. dont see how someone who gets them from a club should be entitled to better tickets. gettin your tickets from a club doesnt make you a better supporter or a better gaa person than someone who uses another source. some people only join a club to get tickets and you never see them the rest of the tear
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 02, 2011, 01:08:22 PM
Season ticket holders got good seat this time but didnt get great seats in newry from our own county board so work that one out think its a bit of a lottery i got tickets from the club before and they were desperate canal end behind goals swore i wouldnt get them from club again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 02, 2011, 01:17:31 PM
Agree totally with sheedy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 02, 2011, 01:20:04 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 02, 2011, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on April 01, 2011, 09:32:01 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 01, 2011, 07:52:07 PM
The Dublin county board will be responsible for allocating the tickets.  A complaint should be made, people who get tickets through their club should get the best tickets.  Ticketmaster should get the rest.

Agreed!
in the past i have got my tickets from the club and from tickemaster. dont see how someone who gets them from a club should be entitled to better tickets. gettin your tickets from a club doesnt make you a better supporter or a better gaa person than someone who uses another source. some people only join a club to get tickets and you never see them the rest of the tear

As long as all they do nothing except pay their membership at least they have done that and that alone is better than nothing for the club. Also when a club orders tckets their allocation for all ticket matches increases relatively. So a club member ordering tickets through the club helps improve teh club ticket allocation.

But do not get me wrong in an ideal world we want everyone to be active members of their club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 03, 2011, 12:09:41 AM
After Tonight a couple of worrying things have arisen... We did see a lot of ball and I actually thought we did ok but.. If Martin Clarke was any other player he would have been taken off tonight, he gets far far too much slack from the sideline, he was awful, Mark Poland must be wondering to himself. The Eoin mc Carten substitution was an absolute downright disgrace!! Seriously James what are you trying to do.... Couldnt wait to get Dan in tonight and then Eoin appears.. Seriously we need to draw the line..

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 03, 2011, 09:41:39 AM
RABAB, I think both Mc Cartans brought something extra when they came on.Dan's handling of Brogan was good and while I haven't seen it on TV yet, his booking which led to a free was a joke. Eoin was the stand-out forward in the Down championship this year if only for 10 or 15 minutes when he came on. He won a free last night that no-one else could have and was a good target man. Also,as another poster has said, you have to accept the bad bits with Marty for him to be there for the good bits.I think that all the forwards know they could be replaced as we have an abundance of talent there- Down are a professional outfit these days and players just get on with it. There have been a couple of times in the last 12 months that some of the substitutions seemd to be pre-ordained, rather than on form, the worst example being Mc Comiskey coming off in the AI final when he was on fire but don't get me started on that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 03, 2011, 09:44:27 AM
Dubh Driocht I watched the game on sky plus this morning, I actually thought Eoin did well, I think it was the initial shock of Jees where did he come from while at the game.. Down had serious posession last night, Rony Murtagh will never learn, we should of closed that game out, Martins sideline ball towards the end also poor especially when keeping possession was vital at that stage. All in all though we v done ok this league campaign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 03, 2011, 10:24:29 AM
Yes we have done ok in the league but last night was bad on many fronts. This is a poor Dublin team and we had most of the possession but Benny Coulter must have been foundered out there. It was back to the bad old days of Ross Carr style sideways passing, no penetration and eventually the ball given away cheaply. Clarke was brutal while  McComiskey showed effectively when given the ball. Who comes off? Yes, McComiskey - again. McArdle was doing ok while Rooney wasn't - McArdle comes off. We ended up with 4 Burren defenders on the team but anyone who thinks Daniel did well has got to be joking - he wasn't close to Brogan at any stage.  Bad bad show in a game that was there for the taking. Hope James gives the fringe players on the panel a run out against Kerry. Colgan also needs a full game - he looks the part.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on April 03, 2011, 10:31:26 AM
benny mcardle was having a good game but having been booked would have been a risk on brogan esp with thon ref. he booked wee dan and it wasent even a foul. the wheels came off in injury time with bad decision making leading to their 2 scores. possession should have been kept, a tactic we,re really good at. still in all a good league campaign in div 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: infinity on April 03, 2011, 11:32:26 AM
It really annoys me when posters give marty stick so blindly. Of course he should never be immune to criticism, but be fair and keep it on the same level as the rest of the team. He was by no means 'Brutal' or 'Awful' last night, as two of our previous posters have contributed. Yes, his performance was below-par by his own standards, but the reason his mistake count was so high was that while the majority of the rest of the team are happy to contribute a 7-yard sideways handpass to marty, it is his role to is trying to spread the play with direct long-range passing to our inside forwards. Inevitably this is will lead to more mistakes and dispossessions than other players, particularly when your playin against Dublin-the most negative, defensive team i have seen in quite a while.
Incidentally I wonder will the southern media go to town with 'puke football' with them.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 03, 2011, 01:02:52 PM
A few things on what I have read that I have to disagree with. Firstly, benny Mc Ardle is only back playing a couple of weeks, had gave a good 50 minute shift at Croke Park at a high intensity game and a fresh current all ireland footballer of the year comes onto him, in addition he has a yellow card. I agree he was playing well, but taking all other factors into account, it seemed a sensible decision to take him off in my eyes. I believe Eoin Mc Cartan has the ability to make an impact on the game as a sub, and further down the line I think as he will. Though too be fair if I was Conor Laverty I think I would be feeling slightly hard done by. The criticism of Martin Clarke is ridiculous, he gets on the ball so much it's unreal and his game is too be creative and play without fear, IMO the way football should be played, mistakes are going to be an inevitable part of it. He has been put up on a  pedestal, and sadly a lot of Down fans seem to think he is perfect.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 03, 2011, 01:53:05 PM
came away from last nights game totally gutted.thought the dubs were there for the taking. with a bit more composure we should have won that match. the referee was really poor and seemed to be intimidated by the occassion and the crowd. even though some on here think marty should be exempt from criticism i have to say i thought he was really poor. lots of misplaced passes and a very poor sideline kick at the end when retaining possesion was vital. thought midfield was solid and the defence done well. overall there wasnt much between the 2 teams and hopefully there'll be lessons learned before championship time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 03, 2011, 03:26:02 PM
Should of closed the game out when we went in front, very poor choice by Clarke and Rony at the end. Thought ref was absoultely desperate Bastic hit out at least 4 times and kneed danny in the back whilst he was on the ground, then only got a yellow card near the end of the match for a high tackle on marty clarke.  Paul brogan also got away with a high tackle on Rony while he was on a red card.  Dublin only got three yellow cards and two of which were given in the last five mins this shows the standard of refereeing.  Down had to work extra hard because of dublins negative tactics with 13 men behind the ball.  A couple of years ago Down could not have got over this but now they just work away and stick to the system.  Eoin Mc cartan gives an other option up front and is a very smart footballer, good target man. Although Marty clarke made some bad mistakes last night he is still is on the ball at least twice as many times as any one else and with out him we would not be in the postion we are now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 03, 2011, 09:46:03 PM
Quite a but if nonsense hysteria on this thread. Dublin set themselves out to stop Down, and only for for one poor and one one shocking defensive lapse by Down, would have lost. The criticism about slow ball into the inside forwards, and poor ball into them too, is blinkered nonsense. If you're contending with a mass defence, it just ain't that easy to open it up. Our forwards actually did enough to win that game last night despite trying circumstances.

The only thing that would annoy me on last night is simply that winning is a good habit, and we're a little out of that habit. But by and large, it's been an excellent league campaign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 03, 2011, 10:26:55 PM
It's been a decent campaign and they should learn from the defeats in cork and Dublin, games they could have and probably should have won. 

Dublin were the most negative team I've ever seen, worse than tyrone or armagh in their prime. down still need to learn to play through this though.  Marty is a great player but evey move shouldn't necessarily have to through him though, Poland needs to up his game to last years standard, mcginn needs to have more thrust as he isn't a great threat at min  and when coulter moves out the field it seems to provide a lot more room for other players  inside such as mccumisky or murtagh or lavery
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 04, 2011, 12:19:02 PM
The Down forward line needs a new lease of life .
Something that Caolan Mooney would inject.
If he is good enough he is old enough
i know he is off to Collingwood in the autumn but in my opinion the Down seniors need him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 04, 2011, 12:24:12 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 04, 2011, 12:19:02 PM
The Down forward line needs a new lease of life .
Something that Caolan Mooney would inject.
If he is good enough he is old enough
i know he is off to Collingwood in the autumn but in my opinion the Down seniors need him.

Snoopdog seriously are you for real?? The lad is still a child.. Physically he would be well out of his depth at senior intercounty level, this time next year after Collingwood get their hands on him maybe.. but now! No chance!! Young Conor Poland possibly is an option in half forward line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on April 04, 2011, 01:48:09 PM
any east down fixtures for week ahead??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 04, 2011, 01:53:07 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on April 04, 2011, 12:24:12 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 04, 2011, 12:19:02 PM
The Down forward line needs a new lease of life .
Something that Caolan Mooney would inject.
If he is good enough he is old enough
i know he is off to Collingwood in the autumn but in my opinion the Down seniors need him.

Snoopdog seriously are you for real?? The lad is still a child.. Physically he would be well out of his depth at senior intercounty level, this time next year after Collingwood get their hands on him maybe.. but now! No chance!! Young Conor Poland possibly is an option in half forward line.

I am for Real. I think he would be strong enough for the challenge. Would he not be physically stronger than the likes of McComiskey.
Maybe im being naieve, but he wouldnt be the first 18 year old to play senior football.
He is gonna go out to Aus and take alot bigger hits from bigger guys than he would on a Gaelic pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 04, 2011, 01:56:29 PM
Some Down folk completely losing the run of themselves since we had relative success last season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on April 04, 2011, 02:29:08 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 04, 2011, 01:53:07 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on April 04, 2011, 12:24:12 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 04, 2011, 12:19:02 PM
The Down forward line needs a new lease of life .
Something that Caolan Mooney would inject.
If he is good enough he is old enough
i know he is off to Collingwood in the autumn but in my opinion the Down seniors need him.

Snoopdog seriously are you for real?? The lad is still a child.. Physically he would be well out of his depth at senior intercounty level, this time next year after Collingwood get their hands on him maybe.. but now! No chance!! Young Conor Poland possibly is an option in half forward line.

I am for Real. I think he would be strong enough for the challenge. Would he not be physically stronger than the likes of McComiskey.
Maybe im being naieve, but he wouldnt be the first 18 year old to play senior football.
He is gonna go out to Aus and take alot bigger hits from bigger guys than he would on a Gaelic pitch.

I'd agree with you snoop. Give him a go surely, Benny and Dan both played when they were 18. He would be hard to catch once he gets going. Don't think he'd be stronger than McComiskey though, he's built like a brick shithouse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 04, 2011, 02:48:14 PM
Funny said to mate at the Monaghan game that all the open space that night in newry would really suit mooney if he got a run on the defence he would do harm . Having watched him closely he is physically as big as some of the senior players . He is already doing a weights programme sent to him by collingwood but i think he flits in and out of the College games to much although he has scored plenty this last while i think he could do more . Dont think he would be anywhere near as strong as mc comiskey who they say is one of the strongest on the panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 04, 2011, 02:51:19 PM
Just a word of note on Caolan, he has never played against 'men' if that's what you want to call it. No doubt he will be an excellent player but he has never played for rostrevor seniors or reserves before never mind senior inter county football. I am sure we have enough talent in our panel to inject pace and strength into the team. Our forward line is probably the area which needs least help to be fair. Calling unnecessarily for an 18 year old is a bit of a panic move - and we are not in a position to be panicking!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 04, 2011, 04:21:27 PM
He played for Rostrevor Reserves last year in a county final if im not mistaken.
Let the lad develop naturally, im sure his time will come.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 04, 2011, 04:27:33 PM
Brick, I'm pretty sure it was Rostrevor 3rds.

Thankfully Down football is now in a position where we don't have to draft in schoolboys to bolster the ranks.

If everyone is fit and well, it looks like all of Murtagh, J Clarke, Doyle, Carr, Sexton, Laverty, McCartan and one of either Rogers/Fitzpatrick will be warming the bench this summer, ready to rip into action if any of the forwards are off their game.  Half the counties in Ireland would happily replace their first six with six of that lot.

Taking in an 18 year old to join them would be wrong on so many levels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 04, 2011, 04:31:02 PM
Aye i knew he played adult football of some level last year.
He will be a fantastic asset when he has developed further. A few years down under might not hurt him, and hopefully he returns the better of it. Niall Donnelly is another guy off that college team that should be groomed for no3 jersey for Down in a few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 04, 2011, 04:49:59 PM
Yep i take all your points on young Mooney.
How are Ambrose and Liam doyle coming on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 04, 2011, 05:18:01 PM
Yeh he did play for the thirds in 1 or 2 games at end of last season. I don't think that can compare though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 04, 2011, 06:03:41 PM
Caolan played indeed for Rostrevor 3rds but didn't start the first final. Only came on as a late sub. I think he may have started the replay. But playing in the Reserve league final for the 3rds isn't exactly a proving ground for senior county football. If he were sticking around then I think he should be elected straight to the squad next season, but good as he is no way is he ready for division one county football.

As far as other College players go I have high hopes that Eamonn Magee will come through. He is fantastic at CHB for St Colman's, controls the entire defence and distributes superbly. Could be in the senior squad within 2-3 years.

Best man to judge is NP76 who I know goes to these games. What do you think of Magee?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 04, 2011, 06:24:48 PM
Very poor last day out but has been outstanding all year i think him very slow and has awful distrabution at times . He seems to be either very good or very bad . The college defence works as a system which helps him alot with the two midfielders and Mooney helping out and breaking at speed . Agree about Niall Donnelly good full back but from what i hear hard to handle . Think he will be worth a look in the not to distant future . Ruairi Lively from Clonduff also a good one and keeps the defence on their toes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 04, 2011, 08:29:11 PM
Gervase O'Hare and John McCartan both 17 started in same game  for Down Senior back in late 70's in NFL.

Think Mooney should be allowed to play for Rostrevor senior, he would be a big asset to thier forward line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on April 04, 2011, 08:38:25 PM
Great to see Eoin McCartan back for Down on Saturday night. Really hope he can make an impact during the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 04, 2011, 08:52:52 PM
Down would need to be very careful with Eoin, the lad didnt even play a full game for Burren last year.  Im sure James is the right man to take care of him but I fear another breakdown coming if he is pushed too soon.  Id prefer to see him play 5 or 6 club games before being considered as an impact sub for the county.

Great talent all the same and looks physically very strong and will be hard to handle if he stays right.  Lets just hope that he is not another Charlie Pat who also had all the talent in the world but couldnt stay on the field long enough to be able to show it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 04, 2011, 10:08:56 PM
Mooney is nowhere near down seniors.. He doesnt even dominate games at his own level, he bursts in for a few mins and then disappears for 10.. Look at him closely, he doesnt dominate a game the way coulter, m clarke would have at that level..!! He s a superb athlete for his age but thats it i feel.. Im sorry but I just feel we are so quick to build young players into something they arent these days..!! Good luck to the lad at Collingwood but he s nowhere near the loss for down football that Clarke would be if he goes back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 04, 2011, 11:31:04 PM
Quote from: umpire on April 04, 2011, 08:29:11 PM
Gervase O'Hare and John McCartan both 17 started in same game  for Down Senior back in late 70's in NFL.

Think Mooney should be allowed to play for Rostrevor senior, he would be a big asset to thier forward line.

Was John McCartan not 18 in 1977??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 04, 2011, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: umpire on April 04, 2011, 08:29:11 PM
Think Mooney should be allowed to play for Rostrevor senior, he would be a big asset to thier forward line.

It's not a matter of allowing him to play for Rostrevor seniors, it is him refusing to play. Mooney has been asked, and asked more than once. He has decided not to play. He has committed himself to the Down Minors but that's all. Rostrevor would love him to play for their senior team even if only for the summer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 05, 2011, 01:20:04 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 04, 2011, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: umpire on April 04, 2011, 08:29:11 PM
Think Mooney should be allowed to play for Rostrevor senior, he would be a big asset to thier forward line.

It's not a matter of allowing him to play for Rostrevor seniors, it is him refusing to play. Mooney has been asked, and asked more than once. He has decided not to play. He has committed himself to the Down Minors but that's all. Rostrevor would love him to play for their senior team even if only for the summer

You seem well informed on the matter PD123, who or what is your source?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 05, 2011, 07:01:55 AM
I wouldn't want to betray any confidances though I think it would be fair to say that anyone in Rostrevor would tell you what I said. But I was told it direct from someone who did the asking
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 05, 2011, 09:35:14 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 05, 2011, 01:20:04 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 04, 2011, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: umpire on April 04, 2011, 08:29:11 PM
Think Mooney should be allowed to play for Rostrevor senior, he would be a big asset to thier forward line.

It's not a matter of allowing him to play for Rostrevor seniors, it is him refusing to play. Mooney has been asked, and asked more than once. He has decided not to play. He has committed himself to the Down Minors but that's all. Rostrevor would love him to play for their senior team even if only for the summer

You seem well informed on the matter PD123, who or what is your source?

I am aware that Rostrevor seniors and Second teams have asked Mooney to play last year. My previous  post did not say that Mooney not allow to play by Rostrevor club 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 05, 2011, 09:36:12 AM
Bit of an attitude or is he just being careful because he has professional contract signed??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on April 05, 2011, 09:57:54 AM
I think it is more to do with Mooney's contract and also a lot to do with one other influential figure in his life holding him back. Supersub could maybe back me on this as I'm sure he knows what I mean.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 05, 2011, 10:32:16 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on April 05, 2011, 09:57:54 AM
I think it is more to do with Mooney's contract and also a lot to do with one other influential figure in his life holding him back. Supersub could maybe back me on this as I'm sure he knows what I mean.

We're all being very coy about this aren't we? ;)

I agree with the statement above and also with its ambiguity. There has been no single declaration of exactly why he won't/can't play. No one has ever said that he has been forbidden to do so by his contract, after all he is playing Schools & minor football. I have been told that it is most likely a combination of the factors stated above, so that's really the long and short of it. So we can only hope that he returns soon and strong like Marty did. Hopefully Jamie O'Reilly will come back and hopefully Marty will see the light and commit to Down.

Should I start saying novenas? ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 05, 2011, 02:03:10 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 05, 2011, 07:01:55 AM
I wouldn't want to betray any confidances though I think it would be fair to say that anyone in Rostrevor would tell you what I said. But I was told it direct from someone who did the asking

Fair enough, just interested in source not disputing the validity of the information! As I know it is true.

Yeh BCB1 is right in what he says re contract and other influence(s), it is unfortunate but a choice which has been made and won't be changing before he leaves as far as is known!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 05, 2011, 06:30:41 PM
Lads wise up a bit, what if he played a game for seniors, got hurt, a big one, broken leg/jaw, ICL or something, injuried long term. I wouldnt think Collingwood would be happy. Besides, If I was in his position, I know I wouldnt want anything wrecking my chance in a lifetime, and if anyone was putting pressure on me to do so, I know I'd tell them to stick it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 06, 2011, 12:06:18 AM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 05, 2011, 06:30:41 PM
Lads wise up a bit, what if he played a game for seniors, got hurt, a big one, broken leg/jaw, ICL or something, injuried long term. I wouldnt think Collingwood would be happy. Besides, If I was in his position, I know I wouldnt want anything wrecking my chance in a lifetime, and if anyone was putting pressure on me to do so, I know I'd tell them to stick it.

Totally agree, except you still run the risk of an injury like this no matter who you play for or against!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 06, 2011, 08:25:05 AM
Lads the Mooney thing is pretty much settled. He won't be playing for Rostrevor and he will be going to Oz at the end of the summer. He's a young lad and to be fair to him I don't think we should spend a lot of time dissecting his decisions. That may be fair enough for experienced players and grown men, but he's only 17 and I just feel yoo young to be over analysed on a forum, just don't think its fair on him.

Anyway on another subject - are there any Longstone men on this forum that can tell us the current situation with Ambrose? How is his recovery going, he was reported to be aiming to be ready to be part of the match day squad for the Kerry game, is that still true?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 06, 2011, 11:34:46 AM
Any predictions on what will happen at the weekend on the national league front?? Good weekend would see us qualify for the league final and armagh relegated - but we cant have both unfortunately!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 06, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 04, 2011, 04:49:59 PM
Yep i take all your points on young Mooney.
How are Ambrose and Liam doyle coming on.

Quote from: PAULD123 on April 06, 2011, 08:25:05 AM
Anyway on another subject - are there any Longstone men on this forum that can tell us the current situation with Ambrose? How is his recovery going, he was reported to be aiming to be ready to be part of the match day squad for the Kerry game, is that still true?

Not sure about Ambrose, Liam Doyle played a half at CHB last night in a challenge game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 06, 2011, 01:35:05 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 06, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
Not sure about Ambrose, Liam Doyle played a half at CHB last night in a challenge game.

What challenge match was that? The Down GAA website never posts any details of challenge matches it is frustrating
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 06, 2011, 01:46:03 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 06, 2011, 01:35:05 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 06, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
Not sure about Ambrose, Liam Doyle played a half at CHB last night in a challenge game.

What challenge match was that? The Down GAA website never posts any details of challenge matches it is frustrating

You can see their point sort of, it is really in house for them to try players in a game situation, they don't really want it broadcast as such because it is probably just part of their training programme. It was against our boys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 06, 2011, 02:04:53 PM
They played Rostrevor and stuffed them by all accounts, heard they played kilcoo last week and it was wee bit feisty  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 06, 2011, 02:18:19 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on April 06, 2011, 02:04:53 PM
They played Rostrevor and stuffed them by all accounts, heard they played kilcoo last week and it was wee bit feisty  ;)

::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 06, 2011, 04:03:20 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 06, 2011, 02:18:19 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on April 06, 2011, 02:04:53 PM
They played Rostrevor and stuffed them by all accounts, heard they played kilcoo last week and it was wee bit feisty  ;)

::)

Supersub no disgrace in getting stuffed by the tail end of the senior panel and some u21s.. Head up  ;D.. Burren beat downs first team two weeks ago by a point!! Maybe Alba could shed some light on that one if he was there??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 06, 2011, 04:41:54 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on April 06, 2011, 04:03:20 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 06, 2011, 02:18:19 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on April 06, 2011, 02:04:53 PM
They played Rostrevor and stuffed them by all accounts, heard they played kilcoo last week and it was wee bit feisty  ;)

::)

Supersub no disgrace in getting stuffed by the tail end of the senior panel and some u21s.. Head up  ;D.. Burren beat downs first team two weeks ago by a point!! Maybe Alba could shed some light on that one if he was there??

You are some boy. Hardly 'stuffed by all accounts' though, Rostrevor in the game most of the way through with the two goals in the first half being the difference in the score for the majority, added to this that down must have used about 25-30 players during the game - constant fresh legs. Ps tail end...dan mccartan dee rafferty john clarke & conor laverty all played in an ai final last year if im not mistaken.

PPS Burren are great  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 06, 2011, 05:24:30 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on April 06, 2011, 02:04:53 PM
They played Rostrevor and stuffed them by all accounts, heard they played kilcoo last week and it was wee bit feisty  ;)

It was a stuffing in the end but for 45 minutes it was a decent game (2 halves of 35 mins). Only 2 points in it at the 45 min stage and Rostrevor had missed a penalty early in the second half. There were heavy enough tackles going in at that stage. The additional fitness and fresh legs of the County team then told big time and must have tagged on 1-10 to no score in the last 20 minutes.

The County team did look pretty strong though, D McCartan, D Raff, L Doyle, A Carr, R Sexton, C Laverty, J Clarke, J Colgan all playing. Not bad for what was effectively a reserve team compared to what has played all year for Down.

Rostrevor missing a few players, M Cole, D Magee, C Magee, A Mackin, but gave a decent account of themselves for most of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 06, 2011, 05:49:22 PM
For anyone who is interested in a good game.. Burren play Ballinderry in the Ulster league final on Saturday at 7 in the Athletic grounds.. I hope we can give them a better game than the last time they played Down opposition  :) :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 06, 2011, 08:01:24 PM
Muppet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 06, 2011, 09:28:08 PM
Clownjim is back. What a shit stirring dickhead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 07, 2011, 09:58:17 AM


Supersub no disgrace in getting stuffed by the tail end of the senior panel and some u21s.. Head up  ;D.. Burren beat downs first team two weeks ago by a point!! Maybe Alba could shed some light on that one if he was there??
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Why wud i be there? I would need a mileage payment to travel to Burren to watch games...
Lets hope Ballinderry put manners on them on sat night too. the are getting back to their cocky days of the late 80s where they think its just automatic for them to win. Hope the Ford or the Bridge win the championship this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 07, 2011, 10:27:26 AM
whatever you say Sean ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 07, 2011, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 07, 2011, 10:27:26 AM
whatever you say Sean ;)

duno who you think this is - but ur wayyyyyyyy of with that name... ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on April 07, 2011, 01:17:47 PM
ACPR II

Saval 0-6 Bredagh 0-10 - that four wins from four
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 07, 2011, 02:13:44 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 06, 2011, 09:28:08 PM
Clownjim is back. What a shit stirring d**khead.
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 07, 2011, 10:27:26 AM
whatever you say Sean ;)

Clownjim, Shitegoodman and Alba, Have you lads not worked out yet that they are 3 WUM's of the highest order who would be more suited to the kiddies on the hogan stand..  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 07, 2011, 02:29:05 PM
Hi dickhead u want to show me exactly where I have been winding people up ?

Shitegoodman, hilarious, am in tears here  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 08, 2011, 02:33:20 PM
Clownjim, Shitegoodman and Alba, Have you lads not worked out yet that they are 3 WUM's of the highest order who would be more suited to the kiddies on the hogan stand..  ::)
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I honestly dont pass any remarks on them.  Let them hit the hogan stand for all its worth if they want.

anyway back to the football - Down will have Kerry minus David Moran this weekend - but big michael Quirke is back in the fold after the basketball season has ended for his club.  He can be quite a handful at times.  Hope Kalum and Peter are on their games this weekend.  Midfield has been disappointing in the league campaign - need to get it right for championship.

First reound of club fixtures next weekend - hope the lads dont be knocking two bells outta each other during the games.  Sometimes i feel this is where the season can go pear shaped.  But club is the foundation so we need to release the players back and let them at it for a while.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 08, 2011, 06:07:44 PM
EagleLord are the board amins. Can you not take a bit of craic!! I was only stating the truth and having a bit of banter.. But the bridge ones are very quiet on this board since last October!!!

Good luck to the lads tomorrow.. it will be a tough test for the opener next week! But hopefully we dont lose any players to injury.

It reminds me of Burren and Bridge in 99.. Bridge on the up and us on the descent but hey thats football!!

Ps I have nothing to do with them other ones.. I know what i am talking about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 08, 2011, 10:54:29 PM
The Kerry team to play Down on Sunday at 2.30pm in Fitzgerald Stadium is as follows:
1. Brendan  Kealy, (Kilcummin)
2. Shane Enright (Tarbert) 3 Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht) . 4 Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore)
5 Tomas Ó Sé,  (An Ghaeltacht )6 Killian Young (Renard)  7. Aidan O'Mahony(Rathmore)
8 Eoin Brosnan (Dr. Crokes), 9 Anthony Maher (Duagh)
10. Donnchadh Walsh (Cromane), 11. Darran O'Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar) 12. Paul Galvin (Finuge)
13. Colm Cooper (Dr. Crokes)14 Kieran Donaghy(Austin Stacks) 15. Declan O'Sullivan (Piarsaigh Na Dromada)
Subs:

Tomás Mac a t'Saoir (An Ghaeltacht)  Seamus Scanlon (Currow) Kieran O'Leary  (Dr. Crokes)
Bryan Sheehan (St. Mary's)  20 Padraig Reidy (Scartaglin)   Brian McGuire  (Listowel Emmetts)  Daniel Bohan(Austin Stacks) ,
Adrian O'Connell (St Michaels Foilmore)  Niall O'Mahony (Spa)


In fairness I would fancy our full forward line against that Kerry full back line...I know Marc is a top 3 corner back of the last 5-6 years but he will have his hands full with Benny and the other two...Tom with miles on the clock and Shane a greenhorn..... Marty and Paul will give them them their fill.

I think our midfield will be better than Kerry's.....fullstop. Brosnan is out of position and Maher hasnt made a name for himself yet...he's no Moran or Quirke or even Tommy G or Scanlan....


As for the Kerry forward line.....welll that just scares the shite of of me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointlad on April 09, 2011, 11:43:30 AM
Down team to play Kerry 2011-04-09 11:20:00

Down manager James Mc Cartan names team which includes two changes from the team that started against Dublin
in Croke Park Declan Alder replaces Brendan Mc Veigh in goal and James Colgan replaces Peter Fitzpatrick

1 Declan Alder
2 Gerard McCartan
3 Dan Gordon
4 Brendan McArdle
5 Conor Garvey
6 Kevin McKernan
7 Declan Rooney
8 James Colgan
9 Kalum King
10 Daniel Hughes
11 Mark Poland
12 Conor Maginn
13 Paul McComiskey
14 Brendan Coulter
15 Martin Clarke


Strong enough team there. Although thought Fitzpatrick was doing well in the middle, maybe its injury?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 45 on April 09, 2011, 08:33:25 PM
Like to congratulate my old school the college in achieving back to back allirelands which is a very special thing to be done at this level of football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 09, 2011, 11:23:04 PM
Quote from: downjim on April 06, 2011, 05:49:22 PM
For anyone who is interested in a good game.. Burren play Ballinderry in the Ulster league final on Saturday at 7 in the Athletic grounds.. I hope we can give them a better game than the last time they played Down opposition  :) :)

And the answer is ...... yous didnt. Ballinderry 1-13 Burren 0-10.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on April 09, 2011, 11:30:20 PM
St Colmans did not play to their full potential today. And to be fair they didn't really hit top gear throughout their whole year. They were up aginst a better team but they were the more experienced team and took their scores when they were against the odds, two hogans in a row is a very good achivement for any team. St Colmans are the kings of Ulster again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on April 10, 2011, 10:35:40 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on April 09, 2011, 11:30:20 PM
St Colmans did not play to their full potential today. And to be fair they didn't really hit top gear throughout their whole year. They were up aginst a better team but they were the more experienced team and took their scores when they were against the odds, two hogans in a row is a very good achivement for any team. St Colmans are the kings of Ulster again.

eh- i think that should be rephrased to read 'kings of Ireland again', that was an All Irelaand competition in case you wern't aware of it ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on April 10, 2011, 12:17:54 PM
TG4 tonoight

Laochra Gael – Na Coimhlintí (OS)
17:55:00
After a 23 year famine of All Ireland football wins, in 1991 Down brought the Sam Maguire Cup north. Who could have predicted that Donegal and Derry would follow suit in an unprecedented golden era of Ulster football. With interviews from Ross Carr, Henry Downey, Brian McEniff and Jarlath Burns
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 10, 2011, 06:05:54 PM
Watching it now, great show so far. Would love to know who is yer man is, seen the footage so many times, hes standing up on a wall or something, possibly on the hill?? Hes waving 2 flags and has all the down armbands. Always seem to show him in the old footage of them games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 10, 2011, 07:23:47 PM
Liam Harrison from Glasdrumman as far as i know. BBC did a piece on him before the all ireland final last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 10, 2011, 07:25:21 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on April 10, 2011, 07:23:47 PM
Liam Harrison from Glasdrumman as far as i know. BBC did a piece on him before the all ireland final last year.

Thats correct.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Agent Orange on April 10, 2011, 08:09:55 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 10, 2011, 07:25:21 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on April 10, 2011, 07:23:47 PM
Liam Harrison from Glasdrumman as far as i know. BBC did a piece on him before the all ireland final last year.

Thats correct.

http://www.facebook.com/THECHAMPIONSHIP#!/video/video.php?v=426965134108 (http://www.facebook.com/THECHAMPIONSHIP#!/video/video.php?v=426965134108)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 11, 2011, 12:37:42 AM
Very good, thanks men. I'll give that a look, not not though, zzzz zzzz zzzz.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 11, 2011, 02:06:15 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 09, 2011, 11:23:04 PM
Quote from: downjim on April 06, 2011, 05:49:22 PM
For anyone who is interested in a good game.. Burren play Ballinderry in the Ulster league final on Saturday at 7 in the Athletic grounds.. I hope we can give them a better game than the last time they played Down opposition  :) :)

And the answer is ...... yous didnt. Ballinderry 1-13 Burren 0-10.

Looking forward to see what the five foot Kilcoo can do this year :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 11, 2011, 09:18:01 AM
Downjim, just wanted to give you a chance now to predict what will happen this Sunday, so that it gives you plenty of time to go back on it, contradict yourself, you know, change your arguement, like usual. Just to be clear on it, what is more important this Sunday, is it the match result or the performance? If the Bridge win, will you just say 'aye but its only the league, burren are a championship team not worried'. Or if Burren win, will you say that (even though Bridge played well), the result is all that matters?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 11, 2011, 11:25:33 AM
What happened to the mighty Burren on Saturday night then?? ;D good to see it. 

First round of the leagues this weekend - how do you think the following games will fare?

Bridge v Burren
Kingdom v Clonduff
Stone v Kilcoo
Ford v Ballyholland
Saval v Rostrevor

Hard to look past home wins in all the games except the last one which the reds should win...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 11, 2011, 01:17:52 PM
Dont understand why alot of u fall for that boys bait, i would have major doubts as to whether he is even from burren.

For the 1st division matches this wkend id say kilcoo will bt stone ( Gormley will be under a bit of pressure this year), ford will bt ballyholland comfortable, kingdom and clondduff to draw, saval to bt rostrevor and the last one dont no about, at a push id say bridge given its in the bridge.

Should be an interesting year, most people would agree that the top 4 is made up of bridge, burren, ford and kilcoo in no particular order.  Who comes out on top is anyones guess, i would put bridge & burren marginally ahead of kilcoo and kilcoo marginally ahead of ford ( despite ford bting them in championship last year).

Ya would have to fancy saval and ballyholland to be scrapping again but i fancy one of the 2 to say up ( prob saval ) with one of either stone or rostrevor being caught up in the mix.

My predictions for the year for what its worth;

Championship - Burren
League - Bridge
Relegation - Ballyholland/ Rostrevor

Division 2 promotion - Castlewellen/ Annaclone

After that my knowledge ( or lack of it some may say ) starts to depleat so I have no idea of other relegation or promotion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 11, 2011, 02:01:25 PM
Unfinished business for the Kingdom
Kerry on right track to make amends for last year's championship let-down
Kerry 1-13
Down 1-11
Allianz Football League Div 1


Monday April 11 2011

Mid-term reports were signed off in Killarney where two of the game's central protagonists stopped to draw breath and measure the distance that they have travelled.

It ebbed and flowed like a good final league Sunday should. At one stage of the afternoon, Kerry were temporarily in a league final with Dublin as Cork briefly trailed to Armagh 55 miles away.

In the end, the head-to-head result between the great Munster rivals on the opening day of the league decided it, Cork's victory in Tralee nine weeks earlier proved their passport to Croke Park in two weeks' time.

For Kerry, there is repair and re-evaluation in Portugal next week, a warm-weather training camp that has been causing a fair degree of comment in the Kingdom but one that hasn't served them too badly in the past either.

Kerry may have been squeezed out of a league final, but it has been a satisfying league otherwise.

Five wins from seven -- both defeats by one point at the death -- represents a decent streak of form to take into the championship.

Jack O'Connor can feel energy radiating from his players that maybe wasn't always there last year, he suggested.

"The thing that has given me heart is that there is a lot of energy in the team, a lot of hunger and that always helps," he said.

"I think the lads will be looking forward to this championship because they felt we didn't do ourselves justice last year. There is great togetherness in the camp. I'm very happy with where we are," he admitted.

Down's visit to Killarney wasn't about revenge or setting the record straight from last year. It was to stoke something in themselves.

"We just wanted, more than anything, to show that we were a different team to the team that played in the quarter-final -- a more energetic team maybe; more coherent, more together than we were last year," O'Connor said.

"A few things came against us coming up to the quarter-final that didn't help us.

"I thought we were better prepared for this game, even though it was a league game, than we were for a quarter-final."

One of those "things" that disrupted them last year was indiscipline and it surfaced again 55 minutes in when Tom O'Sullivan struck out at Eoin McCartan who had just won a free off him.

Perhaps O'Sulivan felt McCartan, only on the field for Paul McComiskey eight minutes earlier, had made more of it than he should have.

Needless

But it was a needless act, "disappointing" in O'Connor's view and one that will rule him out of the Munster championship match with Tipperary on May 22.

The pity was that O'Sullivan looked back to his imperious best for much of the game, McComiskey's early withdrawal a legacy of that.

For Down manager James McCartan, the campaign has been something of a sobering experience.

They may have been just two points from being All-Ireland champions last September, but their travels has left him in no doubt as to who the top three in Gaelic football are now.

"It tells us where we are," figured McCartan. "Coming to the likes of Kerry, Dublin and Cork has been an experience for us. We haven't got any points out of them, but it leaves us under no illusions that those teams are probably a step ahead at the minute."

With numerical advantage and just a one-point deficit to chase after O'Sullivan's dismissal, Down looked poised for a first away victory.

But Kerry's control and retention of possession in those last 18 minutes or so was the measure of an experienced team that refused to panic.

At one stage they executed a move that must have featured close to 20 passes, but the finish from Tomas O Se didn't do the level of control justice.

Kerry led by 0-4 to 0-0 after only nine minutes with Darran O'Sullivan once again underlining how he is fast becoming indispensable at centre forward.

That may compromise the effectiveness of his namesake Declan down the line, but the injection of pace Darran O'Sullivan is giving Kerry right now is too hard to dismiss.

Colm Cooper was also to the fore early on but gradually Down settled and were level, 0-5 each, on 25 minutes when Brendan Kealy couldn't hold a James Colgan shot.

But by the break Kerry had surged again with Bryan Sheehan, on the field for the injured Paul Galvin (hamstring) after only 16 minutes, converting a massive 45-metre free that hugged the terrace sideline with the last play of the half.

Impact

Sheehan went on to make a massive second-half impact, landing two more long range frees and getting involved in all levels of play. Can Kerry really afford to be without a man who can deliver such precision and length from his frees off the ground?

Sheehan had an involvement in the Kerry goal that gave them further daylight on 38 minutes, providing the final pass after clever work from Colm Cooper to tee up Darran O'Sullivan, whose delicate flick beat Declan Alder.

Through Mark Poland and, chiefly, Martin Clarke, Down hung in and their persistence was rewarded on 54 minutes when Benny Coulter, subdued by the impressive Marc O Se for much of the game, batted a Conor Laverty pass by Brendan Kealy.

With Tom O'Sullivan's red card coming soon after, it set up a grandstand finish but also showed Kerry at their best as they held their nerve. They should also be happy with the progress of Shane Enright at corner-back, who wasn't lost in his pursuit of Clarke.

Man of the Match -- D O'Sullivan (Kerry)

Scorers -- Kerry: Darran O'Sullivan 1-2, B Sheehan 0-4 (3f), C Cooper 0-3 (1f), Declan O'Sullivan 0-2, A Maher, K Donaghy 0-1 each. Down: M Poland 0-5 (4f) B Coulter 1-0, M Clarke 0-3 (1f), J Colgan, C Maginn, C Garvey 0-1 each.

Kerry -- B Kealy 6; S Enright 7, M O Se 8, T O'Sullivan 7; T O Se 6, K Young 6, A O'Mahony 7; E Brosnan 7, A Maher 7; D Walsh 8, Darran O'Sullivan 8, P Galvin; C Cooper 7, K Donaghy 6, Declan O'Sullivan 7. Subs: B Sheehan 8 for Galvin (16), S Scanlon for Maher (61), A O'Connell for O'Mahony (62), K O'Leary for Galvin (64).

Down -- D Alder 6; G McCartan 6, D Gordon 7, B McArdle 5; C Garvey 7, K McKernan 7, D Rooney 7; J Colgan 6, K King 4; D Hughes 6, M Poland 8, C Maginn 6; P McComiskey 5, B Coulter 6, M Clarke 8. Subs: A Carr 6 for King (28), D Rafferty 6 for McArdle (42), E McCartan 7 for McComiskey (46), C Laverty 7 for Maginn (52).

Ref -- R Hickey (Clare
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 11, 2011, 05:35:49 PM
I think there will be a split in Division 1 this year in terms of quality. Burren, Mayobridge, Kilcoo and Bryansford should be knocking about the top end of the table. Then it will be a scramble between the other 6 to avoid the bottom two places. Ballyholland and Saval would be expected to make the drop but if the Stone can't regroup soon they could be in the mix for the chop.

Division 2 is going to be very competitive this year. Castlewellan should surely be fancying their chances of a return to Division 1. Liatroim will be looking for a quick return too. Loughinisland, now that they are near back to full strength, should have a say somewhere along the line and Downpatrick, Annaclone and Warrenpoint would fancy taking scalps of the big teams too. Id be surprised if Drumgath stay up and one from Clann na Banna and Ballymartin could go down aswell.

Tullylish on paper are the strongest team in Division 3. It would be a major shock if they didnt make the end of season playoffs. Kilclief have enough experience to keep themselves around the top 3. Mitchels will be the team most likely to finish bottom and to be honest there is little to separate between the other 9 teams in terms of quality as was witnessed by the closeness of last year's league.

Bredagh and Saul are best equipped to get promoted from Division 4. Drumaness and Teconnaught will push although they migh'nt have the quality to trouble the top 2 come the business end of the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 11, 2011, 09:59:32 PM
I would say Glasdrumman, Atticall and Darragh Cross will challenge for the play-offs in div 3 this year as well. Do the top 3 or 4 make the play-offs this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on April 12, 2011, 08:52:19 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 11, 2011, 05:35:49 PM
I think there will be a split in Division 1 this year in terms of quality. Burren, Mayobridge, Kilcoo and Bryansford should be knocking about the top end of the table. Then it will be a scramble between the other 6 to avoid the bottom two places. Ballyholland and Saval would be expected to make the drop but if the Stone can't regroup soon they could be in the mix for the chop.

Division 2 is going to be very competitive this year. Castlewellan should surely be fancying their chances of a return to Division 1. Liatroim will be looking for a quick return too. Loughinisland, now that they are near back to full strength, should have a say somewhere along the line and Downpatrick, Annaclone and Warrenpoint would fancy taking scalps of the big teams too. Id be surprised if Drumgath stay up and one from Clann na Banna and Ballymartin could go down aswell.

Tullylish on paper are the strongest team in Division 3. It would be a major shock if they didnt make the end of season playoffs. Kilclief have enough experience to keep themselves around the top 3. Mitchels will be the team most likely to finish bottom and to be honest there is little to separate between the other 9 teams in terms of quality as was witnessed by the closeness of last year's league.

Bredagh and Saul are best equipped to get promoted from Division 4. Drumaness and Teconnaught will push although they migh'nt have the quality to trouble the top 2 come the business end of the season.

who's the south down teams in division 4? Aghaderg and who else?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 12, 2011, 04:28:09 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 11, 2011, 09:18:01 AM
Downjim, just wanted to give you a chance now to predict what will happen this Sunday, so that it gives you plenty of time to go back on it, contradict yourself, you know, change your arguement, like usual. Just to be clear on it, what is more important this Sunday, is it the match result or the performance? If the Bridge win, will you just say 'aye but its only the league, burren are a championship team not worried'. Or if Burren win, will you say that (even though Bridge played well), the result is all that matters?

I can see us winning comfortably .. the Bridge have been good servants to Down but they dont have the legs anymore and they have nothing in reserve to strengthen their squad!!
Byransford are the team I fear most while Saval and Ballyholland will be back in division two next season.. two clubs which are out of their depth at this level.. at least it cuts out the travelling and they are a handy 8 points :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 12, 2011, 07:00:59 PM
didnt get the irish news today, anyone see what time throw in for matches are friday?

lookin forward to a good season!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 12, 2011, 07:11:13 PM
Matches are at 645.

Bridge and burren is at 430 on sunday according to irish news but 3 according to democrate, can anybody confirm this.

Democrat also gives a pretty decent preview of the league season ahead and went along with the general feelings on here about the top 4 and bottom 4 in the top division.  They went with the bridge for the title for what its worth.

Also seen benny has brought some of the kerry mind games home with him as he was saying in his column that burren are the team to beat.  If he really thought that id lick my own b@lls.  As a proud bridge man there would be no way that he would think burren are better than them!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 13, 2011, 07:46:04 AM
He knows what hes at!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 14, 2011, 12:46:28 PM
Do liatroim play Lisland tonight in division 2?? Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 14, 2011, 01:18:49 PM
According to Irish News on tuesday its on this evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 14, 2011, 01:26:19 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on April 14, 2011, 12:46:28 PM
Do liatroim play Lisland tonight in division 2?? Can anyone confirm this?

Yes. Throw in @ 6.45 in Fontenoy Park. Tasty fixture to get the ball rolling in this seasons league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 14, 2011, 04:44:30 PM
thanks MDG.. Im not sure ill get but more than likely you will  ;). Its phenomenal the amount of football you watch, fair play! keep us informed please if ya can!  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 14, 2011, 07:24:38 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 14, 2011, 01:26:19 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on April 14, 2011, 12:46:28 PM
Do liatroim play Lisland tonight in division 2?? Can anyone confirm this?

Yes. Throw in @ 6.45 in Fontenoy Park. Tasty fixture to get the ball rolling in this seasons league.

I see the Newry Democrat has listed Rory Devlin and Emmett O'Hare as two of Kilcoo's three main men for the season ahead. Classic Democrat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 14, 2011, 07:58:55 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 14, 2011, 07:24:38 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 14, 2011, 01:26:19 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on April 14, 2011, 12:46:28 PM
Do liatroim play Lisland tonight in division 2?? Can anyone confirm this?

Yes. Throw in @ 6.45 in Fontenoy Park. Tasty fixture to get the ball rolling in this seasons league.

I see the Newry Democrat has listed Rory Devlin and Emmett O'Hare as two of Kilcoo's three main men for the season ahead. Classic Democrat.

Seen that. One of the above is in Oz this couple of years while the other hasnt played football at any level in years. They would print anything.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 14, 2011, 08:34:49 PM
ACFL Div 2

Liatroim  1 - 9  Loughinisland  2 - 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 14, 2011, 08:39:08 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 14, 2011, 08:34:49 PM
ACFL Div 2

Liatroim  1 - 9  Loughinisland  2 - 4

Gerard McAnulty playing for Liatroim?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on April 15, 2011, 07:45:03 PM
Halftime
Glassdrumman 1-7
Glenn 0-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on April 15, 2011, 08:22:35 PM
And so it starts - gotta luv Div 4

Teconnaught 0-2 Saul 3-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on April 15, 2011, 08:26:19 PM
Full-time
Glassdrumman 3-16
Glenn 1-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 15, 2011, 08:53:18 PM
Division 1

Longstone 0-7 Kilcoo 2-16

An Riocht beat Clonduff by two

Saval and Rostrevor drew.

Division 2

Castlewellan hammered Shamrocks

Division 3

Carryduff defeated Dundrum
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 15, 2011, 08:54:08 PM
Division 3
Dundrum 1-08  Carryduff 2-12

We played well for the first 10 minutes. After that it went to pot. Well beaten by a fitter, stronger and classier team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 15, 2011, 08:58:39 PM
ACFL Division 1 2011

An Riocht  0 - 15 vs 0 - 13 Clonduff  19:00 Babhta One
Longstone  0 - 7 vs 2 - 16 Kilcoo  19:00 Babhta One
Bryansford  0 - 13 vs 1 - 8 Ballyholland  18:45 Babhta One
Saval  0 - 11 vs 1 - 8 Rostrevor  19:00 Babhta One

ACFL Division 2 2011
 
Ballymartin  0 - 12 vs 0 - 12 Warrenpoint  19:00 Babhta One 
Liatroim  1 - 9 vs 2 - 4 Loughinisland  19:00 Babhta One
Clann na Banna  3 - 11 vs 1 - 12 Downpatrick  19:00 Babhta One
Annaclone  1 - 9 vs 0 - 9 Drumgath  19:00 Babhta One
Shamrocks  1-1 4-14 Castlewellan  Shamrocks 15/04/2011 19:00 Babhta One

ACFL Division 3 2011

Darragh Cross  2 - 7 vs 0 - 17 Kilclief  19:00 Round 1
Dundrum  1 - 8 vs 2 - 12 Carryduff  19:00 Round 1
Glasdrumman  3 - 16 vs 1 - 10 Glenn  19:00 Round 1
Mitchels  0 - 16 vs 2 - 9 Ardglass  19:00 Round 1
St John Bosco  1 - 8 vs 2 - 8 Tullylish  19:00 Round 1
Atticall  1 - 9 vs 1 - 6 St Johns  19:00 Round 1

ACFL Division 4 2011

Bright  3 - 3 vs 1 - 9 Bredagh  19:00 Round 1
Drumaness  3 - 14 vs 0 - 7 Dromara  19:00 Round 1
St Michaels  0 - 15 vs 0 - 10 Aughlisnafin  19:00 Round 1
Teconnaught  0 - 3 vs 3 - 11 Saul  19:00 Round 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 15, 2011, 09:02:17 PM
Our trip to Longstone was the easiest we ever had. The Stone are seriously depleted and will struggle without many of their top men including Ambrose Rogers, Barry Doran, Conor Smyth, Ryan Kelly, Adrian Trainor, Michael Higgins and Cormac Poland.
Kilcoo played very well especially in the first half but will learn very little as it felt like a senior team against a seconds outfit.
Tougher tests lie ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on April 15, 2011, 09:04:47 PM
Annaclone beat Drumgath by 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 15, 2011, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 15, 2011, 09:02:17 PM
Kilcoo played very well

What was the Kilcoo lineup?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 15, 2011, 10:00:20 PM
I am not one normally for condeming individuals but how Leo Smyth is given senior league games to referee defeats me! He was terrible from start to finish tonight for both sides. It was a poor game in fairness and we didn't deserve to win but that doesn't take away from the bewildering decisions he made during play. Saval were winning the whole game until we got a goal in injury time (which was dodgy), only for them to draw level even deeper in injury time (which was twice as long as he indicated but no matter). I don't blame him for rostrevor playing badly obviously as Saval were far better especially in first half, but I can't understand how referees can get away with making such shocking errors in 'judgment'. To add to this it was ridiculous that danny Hughes didn't get sent off, he clearly punched one of our lads twice in the face in front of Leo but somehow our man got booked. Dont know whether this was protection (blind eye) for county men but it was just another decision he got terribly wrong. Both sides agreed at the end that he was very poor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 15, 2011, 10:03:19 PM
In all fairness we just about deserved to get the draw, gonna be a long hard season ahead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 15, 2011, 10:19:54 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 15, 2011, 10:03:19 PM
In all fairness we just about deserved to get the draw, gonna be a long hard season ahead

Bit early for the mind games :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 15, 2011, 11:01:49 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 15, 2011, 10:19:54 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 15, 2011, 10:03:19 PM
In all fairness we just about deserved to get the draw, gonna be a long hard season ahead

Bit early for the mind games :)
take what you want from it ;D
Title: 2011 Predictions
Post by: Square Ball on April 16, 2011, 12:20:02 AM
Right, who will finish top after all the league games, no play offs just top:

Division 1
Burren
Division 2
Castlewellen
Division 3
Kilclief
Division 4
Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on April 16, 2011, 12:41:23 AM
Was at the Kingdom, Clonduff game tonight and have to say, Jason Brown is one dirty bruit. Not just him but the Clonduff number 6 cant tackle, it was a disgrace..
C.Killen, John Clarke and Young Patrick Cole impressed for the Kingdom Tonight. Played some really tidy football at time.
Shane ward went off with a serious injury tonight, strechered off, anyone hear any reports on that!
And were is the clown of a ref Oliver Burke from, poorest of the poor tonight and its only round 1, god help us!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 16, 2011, 12:51:54 AM
Some scoreline in castlewellen game!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 16, 2011, 02:41:17 AM
Was at the  Stone V Kilcoo game. Kilcoo are now alongside the Bridge with strength in depth.MDG is right; if Down do well, the Stone are going down. Mind you, I think they will take that.
Not sure if Ambrose will touch leather until July.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 16, 2011, 03:08:34 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 15, 2011, 10:00:20 PM
I am not one normally for condeming individuals but how Leo Smyth is given senior league games to referee defeats me! He was terrible from start to finish tonight for both sides. It was a poor game in fairness and we didn't deserve to win but that doesn't take away from the bewildering decisions he made during play. Saval were winning the whole game until we got a goal in injury time (which was dodgy), only for them to draw level even deeper in injury time (which was twice as long as he indicated but no matter). I don't blame him for rostrevor playing badly obviously as Saval were far better especially in first half, but I can't understand how referees can get away with making such shocking errors in 'judgment'. To add to this it was ridiculous that danny Hughes didn't get sent off, he clearly punched one of our lads twice in the face in front of Leo but somehow our man got booked. Dont know whether this was protection (blind eye) for county men but it was just another decision he got terribly wrong. Both sides agreed at the end that he was very poor.

I was not at the game but i don't like the attack on a clubmate!! I was talking to three Bridge men tonight who were at the game  and who i would  classify as over  critical fans. They said that Leo refereed the game well and let the game go!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 16, 2011, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 14, 2011, 08:39:08 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 14, 2011, 08:34:49 PM
ACFL Div 2

Liatroim  1 - 9  Loughinisland  2 - 4

Gerard McAnulty playing for Liatroim?

Gerards transfer is not totally finalised yet. Ben ORielly and Aidan Rice recieved red cards in a game that turned out fiesty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 16, 2011, 02:28:59 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on April 16, 2011, 12:41:23 AM
Was at the Kingdom, Clonduff game tonight and have to say, Jason Brown is one dirty bruit. Not just him but the Clonduff number 6 cant tackle, it was a disgrace..
C.Killen, John Clarke and Young Patrick Cole impressed for the Kingdom Tonight. Played some really tidy football at time.
Shane ward went off with a serious injury tonight, strechered off, anyone hear any reports on that!
And were is the clown of a ref Oliver Burke from, poorest of the poor tonight and its only round 1, god help us!

Jason Brown dirty???  ;D he must have changed...

Went to bryansford v ballyholland last night, shane mulhollands charges can count themselves unlucky not to come away with something in a game they fully deserved to get something out of. 6 - 5 up at half time they went to sleep at the start of the second half and that is what ultimately cost them in the end. Their a big team throughout the heart of their side ballyholland with a lot of physicality added into it. They ll take points off teams this year and with saval showing well against rostrevor it could be a very competitive div 1 this year!

On a seperate note, we v had a couple of posters complain about referees last night, I think its a very tough job and not one too many of us would be keen on doing. Think its unfair to publically criticise and name them on the forums to be honest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 16, 2011, 02:52:24 PM
Ulster Minor Football League Simi Final Result From Celtic Park

Doire 3-11  An Dun 1-12
Title: Re: 2011 Predictions
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 16, 2011, 02:54:18 PM
Id go with,

Division 1
Mayobridge

Division 2
Castlewellen

Division 3
Tullylish

Division 4
Saul



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 16, 2011, 03:47:34 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 15, 2011, 10:03:19 PM
In all fairness we just about deserved to get the draw, gonna be a long hard season ahead

Doesn't really match up to your prediction on another thread  :P I would be totally shocked if Bredagh don't get promoted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 16, 2011, 05:07:11 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 16, 2011, 03:47:34 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 15, 2011, 10:03:19 PM
In all fairness we just about deserved to get the draw, gonna be a long hard season ahead

Doesn't really match up to your prediction on another thread  :P I would be totally shocked if Bredagh don't get promoted.
you wouldnt think I would pick against my own team would you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 16, 2011, 07:14:10 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 16, 2011, 03:08:34 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 15, 2011, 10:00:20 PM
I am not one normally for condeming individuals but how Leo Smyth is given senior league games to referee defeats me! He was terrible from start to finish tonight for both sides. It was a poor game in fairness and we didn't deserve to win but that doesn't take away from the bewildering decisions he made during play. Saval were winning the whole game until we got a goal in injury time (which was dodgy), only for them to draw level even deeper in injury time (which was twice as long as he indicated but no matter). I don't blame him for rostrevor playing badly obviously as Saval were far better especially in first half, but I can't understand how referees can get away with making such shocking errors in 'judgment'. To add to this it was ridiculous that danny Hughes didn't get sent off, he clearly punched one of our lads twice in the face in front of Leo but somehow our man got booked. Dont know whether this was protection (blind eye) for county men but it was just another decision he got terribly wrong. Both sides agreed at the end that he was very poor.

I was not at the game but i don't like the attack on a clubmate!! I was talking to three Bridge men tonight who were at the game  and who i would  classify as over  critical fans. They said that Leo refereed the game well and let the game go!

I would say either set of players/management would have a very different view. A blatant punch in the face going unpunished is just one example. I think that is letting the game go taken to the extreme no harm to him. Also our goal was very dodgy. One example from each side, of Which there were plenty.

As for giving out about people on here, I see it nearly every week with criticism of indivduals, (mainly county players) here and other threads. Nothing is ever said. Just because it is more localised and more people know him personally doesn't mean he shouldn't be criticised. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on April 16, 2011, 10:28:12 PM
What time is the bridge v burren game tomorrow?
Title: Re: 2011 Predictions
Post by: ardtole on April 16, 2011, 10:45:33 PM
Il go with

Div1  Burren
Div2  Castlewellan
Div3  Tullylish
Div4   Saul
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on April 16, 2011, 10:58:22 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on April 16, 2011, 10:28:12 PM
What time is the bridge v burren game tomorrow?

4-30
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 16, 2011, 11:40:18 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 16, 2011, 07:14:10 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 16, 2011, 03:08:34 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 15, 2011, 10:00:20 PM
I am not one normally for condeming individuals but how Leo Smyth is given senior league games to referee defeats me! He was terrible from start to finish tonight for both sides. It was a poor game in fairness and we didn't deserve to win but that doesn't take away from the bewildering decisions he made during play. Saval were winning the whole game until we got a goal in injury time (which was dodgy), only for them to draw level even deeper in injury time (which was twice as long as he indicated but no matter). I don't blame him for rostrevor playing badly obviously as Saval were far better especially in first half, but I can't understand how referees can get away with making such shocking errors in 'judgment'. To add to this it was ridiculous that danny Hughes didn't get sent off, he clearly punched one of our lads twice in the face in front of Leo but somehow our man got booked. Dont know whether this was protection (blind eye) for county men but it was just another decision he got terribly wrong. Both sides agreed at the end that he was very poor.

I was not at the game but i don't like the attack on a clubmate!! I was talking to three Bridge men tonight who were at the game  and who i would  classify as over  critical fans. They said that Leo refereed the game well and let the game go!

I would say either set of players/management would have a very different view. A blatant punch in the face going unpunished is just one example. I think that is letting the game go taken to the extreme no harm to him. Also our goal was very dodgy. One example from each side, of Which there were plenty.

As for giving out about people on here, I see it nearly every week with criticism of individuals, (mainly county players) here and other threads. Nothing is ever said. Just because it is more localised and more people know him personally doesn't mean he shouldn't be criticised.

Too be fair I am in Tom's camp on this and would be against naming individual refs who are deemed to have bad performances. Did all the Rostrevor players play well? I doubt it, yet they don't receive criticism (am not advocating that either). Just gets on my goat that people can come on here behind a pseudonym and criticise individual referees. As you pointed out it happens every week and I suppose that is the nature of this board but it doesn't mean I agree with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 17, 2011, 12:17:56 AM
While general comment on refereeing standards and decisions is acceptable, the over the top comments amounting to personal abuse of individual refs. is certainly not. There is not too much competition for refereeing posts, and we should be grateful and encouraging to all the people who take up the whistle. Yes they make mistakes, sometimes big ones, they are only human, but i will warrant that they are more often right than their usually partisan critics
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 17, 2011, 02:47:22 AM
No they certainly did not and they will receive a lot more personal criticism behind their backs in more public domains than this board that is for sure. But that is the nature of the game, people talk about it and criticise all the time. It is nothing to do with being behind a name in the format of this site, as I would more than happily say it to the mans face. I said it on here because it was a comment I wanted to make after the match which I felt very strongly about. I would never normally do something like that, look through my posts for assurance,  but that shows the extent of how I felt about it. Sorry if I upset anyone through his issue.

But on another note Pangurban who the hell are you to come on here and tell me what is acceptable to write and what is not, wind your neck in. I will write what I want and it is usually positive and not bogged down in the critical analysis of inidviduals but when I say something I mean it. Don't try and degrade me by getting on your high horse and throwing out unwritten rules of the board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 17, 2011, 04:52:28 AM
You expressed an opinion, in terms which amounted to personal abuse of a named referee. I expressed my opinion,as did others, that this was unfair and unacceptable on a public forum. Whats your problem with that. Could it be that having cooled down, and reflected a little, you know you were wrong. As for dictating what you write, far be it from me to want too do that, but please allow me to disagree without being accused of riding high horses. It is after all a discussion board
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 17, 2011, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 17, 2011, 02:47:22 AM
No they certainly did not and they will receive a lot more personal criticism behind their backs in more public domains than this board that is for sure. But that is the nature of the game, people talk about it and criticise all the time. It is nothing to do with being behind a name in the format of this site, as I would more than happily say it to the mans face. I said it on here because it was a comment I wanted to make after the match which I felt very strongly about. I would never normally do something like that, look through my posts for assurance,  but that shows the extent of how I felt about it. Sorry if I upset anyone through his issue.

But on another note Pangurban who the hell are you to come on here and tell me what is acceptable to write and what is not, wind your neck in. I will write what I want and it is usually positive and not bogged down in the critical analysis of inidviduals but when I say something I mean it. Don't try and degrade me by getting on your high horse and throwing out unwritten rules of the board.

100% right it is the nature of the game, not one I agree with as I have stated here.  I do agree the standard of referring in Down is poor, I'd be off the midset of trying to come up with ideas to improve it as opposed to naming and shaming. Supersub I just noticed your side caption there, gave me a chuckle on the topic we are on.
I do fail to see how club referees will ever receive more public criticism than through the World wide web. On a sidenote, 2.47 and 4.52 am posts thats commitment to the board  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 17, 2011, 10:04:40 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 17, 2011, 09:36:09 AM

On a sidenote, 2.47 and 4.52 am posts thats commitment to the board  ;D

... no, that's a few on board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on April 17, 2011, 06:49:07 PM
Full Time

Mayobridge 1-10 Burren 2-5

At half tine it was 2 points each
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blueannavy on April 17, 2011, 07:13:08 PM
downjim what happened ????? :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on April 17, 2011, 08:21:34 PM
Heard Packie Downey gave Benny McCardle a torrid time the other night in the league match over   in Annaclone against Drumgath,any views?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 17, 2011, 09:50:36 PM
The Bridge again showed they are the best team in the county with their latest victory over Burren, who where without Benny Coulter for most of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 17, 2011, 10:30:15 PM
Was a really disappointing game, bridge were bad and burren were worse. Twice burren went 3 ahead and still couldn't put them away. I would say if bridge play benny midfield for the rest of the year the rest if the county would be happy enough, such a waste.  The only players that looked county material imo were Dan mccartan and Ryan brady who gave gerrard mccartan a host of trouble.

MDG think it might be a bit ott to say bridge were still best team in the county, it was the first league game of the season ffs.  Id say the happiest team to come out of today was kilcoo as both teams looked very beatable going by today performance .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on April 17, 2011, 10:46:01 PM
Wat happened benny?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 17, 2011, 10:47:19 PM
Looked like hamstring
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 18, 2011, 01:31:10 AM
a neutral view.
Shocking first   half, no football a t all.

Great second half of kick passing football from both sides.
Best player on the park by a country mile was the Bridge no. 6, closely followed by Gavin Barry.
Ryan McGovern kepy Burren  in hunt with sprited display.
Good refree kept the play going.
Dawson has the players but has to make them work -  McKernan  & Rooney well off  thw
pace, Daniel McCartan looked like a Div 3 player
Beautiful set up ay Bridge - young camogs at half time was a great touch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on April 18, 2011, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 17, 2011, 10:30:15 PM
Was a really disappointing game, bridge were bad and burren were worse. Twice burren went 3 ahead and still couldn't put them away. I would say if bridge play benny midfield for the rest of the year the rest if the county would be happy enough, such a waste.  The only players that looked county material imo were Dan mccartan and Ryan brady who gave gerrard mccartan a host of trouble.

MDG think it might be a bit ott to say bridge were still best team in the county, it was the first league game of the season ffs.  Id say the happiest team to come out of today was kilcoo as both teams looked very beatable going by today performance .

Quote from:  Leo on April 17, 2011, 10:30:15 PM
a neutral view.
Shocking first   half, no football a t all.

Great second half of kick passing football from both sides.
Best player on the park by a country mile was the Bridge no. 6, closely followed by Gavin Barry.
Ryan McGovern kepy Burren  in hunt with sprited display.
Good refree kept the play going.
Dawson has the players but has to make them work -  McKernan  & Rooney well off  thw
pace, Daniel McCartan looked like a Div 3 playerBeautiful set up ay Bridge - young camogs at half time was a great touch

Were you two at the same game? ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 18, 2011, 09:45:57 AM
Worlds apart those 2 ratings! :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 18, 2011, 09:48:52 AM
A first half to forget yesterday, thank god the second half was a good improvement.  Thought the bridge were good value for their win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 18, 2011, 09:53:35 AM
What a shocking game yesterday.  Both teams looked afraid to play the game. But in fairness in the first half both defences were on top.  Second half it opened up a little bit more and the Burren keeper made a calamity for the bridge goal.  Good to see the blues starting the season as they mean to go on.  Lets hope its succesful for them.
Other games - Kingdom had too much in the tank for Clonduff and the Yellas could be in trouble this year judging on that performance - plus Shane Ward out through injury - they need players of his quality week in week out.
Rostrevor drawing with Saval was a bit of a surprise for me - but think probably justice in the result in the end.
Ford did well to overcome a battling Ballyholland side who gave a real good account of themselves.  Did the ford take their eye of the ball thinking its only Ballyholland or were they really that good?/?
Kilcoo - the pace setters gave longstone a real lesson in footbal on friday night. Their quick moving and indeed quick thinking will leave alot of teams in this league wonderin what has hit them as the season progresses.  This could be the year the magpies really step up to the plate and with young Ryan Johnston on their books - they have probably the stand out young player in the county at the moment.

Next weeks fixtures cant come quickly enough.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 18, 2011, 09:54:24 AM
Woeful first half amallon, both teams just didnt really have the shooting boots for most of the first half, a lot of wides, the play itself wasnt too bad though. Second half was alot more competitive and thankfully so. The new pitch looks very good and all should be commended. Nice to see a big crowd there even if it was a little quiet, which was strange. You could hear a pin drop at times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 18, 2011, 11:48:19 AM
Quote from: blueannavy on April 17, 2011, 07:13:08 PM
downjim what happened ????? :o

A jammy goal won the game for the bridge... what did ARNIE say in Terminator  :) :)

Big Tom was a happy man after the game :) :) The food in the club was nice though  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 18, 2011, 01:14:04 PM
The Dan McCartan 3rd division performance will have to be explained to me, I dont think his man scored from play but i stand by to be corrected.

Thought James McGovern destroyed the CHB in first half and the young lad was lucky he wasnt sent off or taken off.  Just shows u what different people see in different games.

Bridge deserved their victory, they were more economical with their posession, Burren were pedestrian alot of the time and played across the field instead of direct into the full forward line who had the beating of their men. Burren were close to full strength by the look of it whilst bridge had grant & more or less benny missing as well as cathal magee and noel sexton on the bench and also introduced 2 young fella into their starting half back line so their undoubted strength in depth could prove crucial later in the year.  Having some of those players to come in a tight game will be very handy for francie.

Finally the new pitch is a credit to the bridge and must be up there with saval as being best club pitch in the county ( havent seen kilcoo's to judge ).  Their overall facilities must be up there with the best in the county as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 18, 2011, 04:09:33 PM
Forgive my ignorance but how many teams play in the senior championship? And how is it decided who is in teh senior, intermediate and junior championships?

Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 18, 2011, 04:58:45 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 18, 2011, 01:14:04 PM
The Dan McCartan 3rd division performance will have to be explained to me, I dont think his man scored from play but i stand by to be corrected.

Thought James McGovern destroyed the CHB in first half and the young lad was lucky he wasnt sent off or taken off.  Just shows u what different people see in different games.

Bridge deserved their victory, they were more economical with their posession, Burren were pedestrian alot of the time and played across the field instead of direct into the full forward line who had the beating of their men. Burren were close to full strength by the look of it whilst bridge had grant & more or less benny missing as well as cathal magee and noel sexton on the bench and also introduced 2 young fella into their starting half back line so their undoubted strength in depth could prove crucial later in the year.  Having some of those players to come in a tight game will be very handy for francie.

Finally the new pitch is a credit to the bridge and must be up there with saval as being best club pitch in the county ( havent seen kilcoo's to judge ).  Their overall facilities must be up there with the best in the county as well.

Interesting point there. What is people's opinion on this point? My personal favourite field is Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 18, 2011, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on April 17, 2011, 04:52:28 AM
You expressed an opinion, in terms which amounted to personal abuse of a named referee. I expressed my opinion,as did others, that this was unfair and unacceptable on a public forum. Whats your problem with that. Could it be that having cooled down, and reflected a little, you know you were wrong. As for dictating what you write, far be it from me to want too do that, but please allow me to disagree without being accused of riding high horses. It is after all a discussion board

Quote from: dundrumite on April 17, 2011, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 17, 2011, 02:47:22 AM
No they certainly did not and they will receive a lot more personal criticism behind their backs in more public domains than this board that is for sure. But that is the nature of the game, people talk about it and criticise all the time. It is nothing to do with being behind a name in the format of this site, as I would more than happily say it to the mans face. I said it on here because it was a comment I wanted to make after the match which I felt very strongly about. I would never normally do something like that, look through my posts for assurance,  but that shows the extent of how I felt about it. Sorry if I upset anyone through his issue.

But on another note Pangurban who the hell are you to come on here and tell me what is acceptable to write and what is not, wind your neck in. I will write what I want and it is usually positive and not bogged down in the critical analysis of inidviduals but when I say something I mean it. Don't try and degrade me by getting on your high horse and throwing out unwritten rules of the board.

100% right it is the nature of the game, not one I agree with as I have stated here.  I do agree the standard of referring in Down is poor, I'd be off the midset of trying to come up with ideas to improve it as opposed to naming and shaming. Supersub I just noticed your side caption there, gave me a chuckle on the topic we are on.
I do fail to see how club referees will ever receive more public criticism than through the World wide web. On a sidenote, 2.47 and 4.52 am posts thats commitment to the board  ;D


Firstly Pangurban yes it was a named referee, just like the named players that get criticised on here all the time. I had cooled down indeed but stand by my comments about the refereeing display. Maybe it was wrong to name an individual, that's a matter of opinion also, but when I see (as I mentioned before) players being named and criticised ie Dan McCartan being referred to as a 'Div 3' player since I posted, it makes me wonder what the difference is really as this was also personal abuse, but is it deemed ok just because he is a player and not an official? Doesn't really make sense.

Also Dundrumite my comment you highlighted there in bold was in relation to your question - 'Did all the Rostrevor players play well? I doubt it, yet they don't receive criticism (am not advocating that either)' - not in relation to referees abuse. And by it I meant the amount of people who will actually talk about the players in the pub, on the street etc as opposed to the 'potential' that the world wide web has to reach. There will be a lot more people talking about players and criticising them elsewhere than there are on here. Having said that as I mentioned I see a certain Burren player being criticised in this thread since my post and not much fuss was made about personal attacks with him. My caption is quite ironic indeed on the subject, it has been there for a long time, doesn't really mean much to be honest, probably a bit like yours big man! ;) Dont know when the 4.52 post was but that is brave and early to be up alright  :D, that one the other day wasn't far behind but Leo you haven't a clue (a bit like your namesake), good guess though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 18, 2011, 06:57:29 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 18, 2011, 04:58:45 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 18, 2011, 01:14:04 PM
The Dan McCartan 3rd division performance will have to be explained to me, I dont think his man scored from play but i stand by to be corrected.

Thought James McGovern destroyed the CHB in first half and the young lad was lucky he wasnt sent off or taken off.  Just shows u what different people see in different games.

Bridge deserved their victory, they were more economical with their posession, Burren were pedestrian alot of the time and played across the field instead of direct into the full forward line who had the beating of their men. Burren were close to full strength by the look of it whilst bridge had grant & more or less benny missing as well as cathal magee and noel sexton on the bench and also introduced 2 young fella into their starting half back line so their undoubted strength in depth could prove crucial later in the year.  Having some of those players to come in a tight game will be very handy for francie.

Finally the new pitch is a credit to the bridge and must be up there with saval as being best club pitch in the county ( havent seen kilcoo's to judge ).  Their overall facilities must be up there with the best in the county as well.

Interesting point there. What is people's opinion on this point? My personal favourite field is Castlewellan

I would differentiate between facilities and pitch.  For facilities i would include floodlights, changing rooms and gym facilites.  On basis of the pitch alone I would go for Bridge, saval and Downpatrick.  For facilities i would go for bridge, clonduff and burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 18, 2011, 07:08:58 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 18, 2011, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on April 17, 2011, 04:52:28 AM
You expressed an opinion, in terms which amounted to personal abuse of a named referee. I expressed my opinion,as did others, that this was unfair and unacceptable on a public forum. Whats your problem with that. Could it be that having cooled down, and reflected a little, you know you were wrong. As for dictating what you write, far be it from me to want too do that, but please allow me to disagree without being accused of riding high horses. It is after all a discussion board

Quote from: dundrumite on April 17, 2011, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 17, 2011, 02:47:22 AM
No they certainly did not and they will receive a lot more personal criticism behind their backs in more public domains than this board that is for sure. But that is the nature of the game, people talk about it and criticise all the time. It is nothing to do with being behind a name in the format of this site, as I would more than happily say it to the mans face. I said it on here because it was a comment I wanted to make after the match which I felt very strongly about. I would never normally do something like that, look through my posts for assurance,  but that shows the extent of how I felt about it. Sorry if I upset anyone through his issue.

But on another note Pangurban who the hell are you to come on here and tell me what is acceptable to write and what is not, wind your neck in. I will write what I want and it is usually positive and not bogged down in the critical analysis of inidviduals but when I say something I mean it. Don't try and degrade me by getting on your high horse and throwing out unwritten rules of the board.

100% right it is the nature of the game, not one I agree with as I have stated here.  I do agree the standard of referring in Down is poor, I'd be off the midset of trying to come up with ideas to improve it as opposed to naming and shaming. Supersub I just noticed your side caption there, gave me a chuckle on the topic we are on.
I do fail to see how club referees will ever receive more public criticism than through the World wide web. On a sidenote, 2.47 and 4.52 am posts thats commitment to the board  ;D


Firstly Pangurban yes it was a named referee, just like the named players that get criticised on here all the time. I had cooled down indeed but stand by my comments about the refereeing display. Maybe it was wrong to name an individual, that’s a matter of opinion also, but when I see (as I mentioned before) players being named and criticised ie Dan McCartan being referred to as a ‘Div 3’ player since I posted, it makes me wonder what the difference is really as this was also personal abuse, but is it deemed ok just because he is a player and not an official? Doesn’t really make sense.

Also Dundrumite my comment you highlighted there in bold was in relation to your question - ‘Did all the Rostrevor players play well? I doubt it, yet they don't receive criticism (am not advocating that either)’ - not in relation to referees abuse. And by it I meant the amount of people who will actually talk about the players in the pub, on the street etc as opposed to the ‘potential’ that the world wide web has to reach. There will be a lot more people talking about players and criticising them elsewhere than there are on here. Having said that as I mentioned I see a certain Burren player being criticised in this thread since my post and not much fuss was made about personal attacks with him. My caption is quite ironic indeed on the subject, it has been there for a long time, doesn’t really mean much to be honest, probably a bit like yours big man! ;) Dont know when the 4.52 post was but that is brave and early to be up alright  :D, that one the other day wasn’t far behind but Leo you haven’t a clue (a bit like your namesake), good guess though.


If a ref has a poor match then i think it is fair game that they receive criticism.  I dont agree with any personal abuse but what is the difference in players and managers getting critism and refs getting critism. 

There are some refs in the county that be controversal for the sake of being controversal but i wouldnt have thought leo would be one of them.  He seems a decent guy and if he had a poor match i would leave at that.  Not sure about not deserving to ref a senior game as there is a lack of refs about at the min as it is.  It was good to see a younger ref take the bridge game yesterday and he had a decent game too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 18, 2011, 09:08:12 PM
Down ACFL Division 3
Dundrum 1-12  Glasdrumman 3-07

We conceded two very soft goals. Conor Harrison won the game with a late free. On the balance of play we were the better team. Harrison and Raymie Magorrian contributed 3-04 of the Drumman's total.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 18, 2011, 09:12:39 PM
I hear glasssdrumman have lost a good few players this year and mightnt be as strong this year as in previous years. Ardglass were beat by 6 points at home to bosco, we have lost an awful lot of players in last 2 years and are struggling this year,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 18, 2011, 09:26:19 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 18, 2011, 09:12:39 PM
I hear glasssdrumman have lost a good few players this year and mightnt be as strong this year as in previous years. Ardglass were beat by 6 points at home to bosco, we have lost an awful lot of players in last 2 years and are struggling this year,

Who would they be? They seemed to have near enough their full compliment out tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 18, 2011, 09:29:48 PM
Ardtole I see the Ardglass soccer team are doing well. Have you many soccer biys to come back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 18, 2011, 10:32:01 PM
Just the 2 Deegans hopefully. Chris Teggart and Barry Kearney have retired and maybe Neil Teggart as well. Philly Gill is in England working as is Chris Laird. Marty Curran and Marty McVickers are in Austrailia and Stephen Rooney is going out there soon. Stevie Smith got married recently and is living in co Leitrim. Chris Armstrong is home from college in England at the moment and Im not sure when he is due back. Aaron Beattie and Paul McCargo retired last year so if the 2 Deegans take a year break this year we will be down nearly a full team in a couple of years. Most of the players mentioned would be key players as well. Mick Magee is injured at the minute as well. Big Mark Smith had to pack it in as well due to injury and he was turning into an effective midfielder for us. That would be a big loss for a large club never mind a relatively small one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 18, 2011, 10:47:48 PM
Naomh Pol 2-14.   Naomh Micael 1-04

Good win to start the season...should have won by alot more, but happy with the win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 19, 2011, 11:26:45 PM

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Look supersub, you clearly dont understand the difference between "abuse" and genuine opinion. What I said was " Daniel McCartan looked like a Div 3 player" - that was based on my perosnal view of his performance at a match I attended., which unless I have emigrated to China I am still entirled to express (without any of the malice you display),  Were you there? Don't know the lad, not entitled to "abuse" him or otherwise - but if I am not entitled to think a player was poor then my last 50 years of attending matches has been a horrible waste of time. I am a lifelong admirer of the McCartan's and what they have contributed to Down but if that lad's name was Jones he'd be nowhere near the Down team. I admire his spirit but ask yourself - would he get on the Dublin. Cork, Tyrone or Kerry teams? I think not. Regardless of that, against the BRrdge he was al at sea. A wee honest opinion, that's all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Overthebar! on April 20, 2011, 12:45:32 AM
Leo if I didn't know any better I would think Dan McCartan curted a daughter of yours or something!  :D
A man can have a off game now and again and if your assessing players on whether they would get into another county team well that is just plain stupid now...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 20, 2011, 01:32:48 AM
Quote from: Leo on April 19, 2011, 11:26:45 PM

Look supersub, you clearly dont understand the difference between "abuse" and genuine opinion. What I said was " Daniel McCartan looked like a Div 3 player" - that was based on my perosnal view of his performance at a match I attended., which unless I have emigrated to China I am still entirled to express (without any of the malice you display),  Were you there? Don't know the lad, not entitled to "abuse" him or otherwise - but if I am not entitled to think a player was poor then my last 50 years of attending matches has been a horrible waste of time. I am a lifelong admirer of the McCartan's and what they have contributed to Down but if that lad's name was Jones he'd be nowhere near the Down team. I admire his spirit but ask yourself - would he get on the Dublin. Cork, Tyrone or Kerry teams? I think not. Regardless of that, against the BRrdge he was al at sea. A wee honest opinion, that's all.

What I originally wrote was genuine opinion of a referees performance at a match I attended, just like you saw the display on Sunday you were criticising too. You have basically said there that McCartan shouldn't be on the county team and isn't that standard, yeh you are entitled to that opinion surely, but I am entitled to say that I dont think a referee had a good performance and explain why. Just because I pointed out a few errors he made doesn't mean that it is more than just an opinion. Relating/comparing him to other county set ups and saying he is not good enough for that level is further opinion or criticisim that yes you are entitled to of course but how is this different from me saying someone shouldn't be given senior level matches to referee. You are comparing a player from the level he plays (county) to the level he 'performs' at, and I am saying the same about a referee - I don't think he is good enough (not based on one performance). You may disagree with me and that is up to you, but I am sure there are people who will disagree with you on your issue, that is the nature of it.

My original post was an opinion of a game/individual, just like you and many others on here have an opinion of other games/individuals - just because my opinion was about a referee performance shouldn't make it any worse than criticsing a players performance. Suppose I have had 'a few on board' tonight again 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 20, 2011, 09:00:30 AM
Quote from: Leo on April 19, 2011, 11:26:45 PM


Look supersub, you clearly dont understand the difference between "abuse" and genuine opinion. What I said was " Daniel McCartan looked like a Div 3 player" - that was based on my perosnal view of his performance at a match I attended., which unless I have emigrated to China I am still entirled to express (without any of the malice you display),  Were you there? Don't know the lad, not entitled to "abuse" him or otherwise - but if I am not entitled to think a player was poor then my last 50 years of attending matches has been a horrible waste of time. I am a lifelong admirer of the McCartan's and what they have contributed to Down but if that lad's name was Jones he'd be nowhere near the Down team. I admire his spirit but ask yourself - would he get on the Dublin. Cork, Tyrone or Kerry teams? I think not. Regardless of that, against the BRrdge he was al at sea. A wee honest opinion, that's all.
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Am I missing something.  How exactly was Dan McCartan all at sea on sunday?  I still didnt get an answer as to whether is man scored from play which is usually a good indication as to whether he played well or not saying as he plays in the full back line.  Maybe some of the bridge posters can confirm what i didnt see?

Was he shown up last year in the run up to the all ireland final ?  Did he look out of place, was he on the defence with one of the best defensive records throughout the country last year?  And yes I think he would get on the Dublin team for what its worth.

Ask yourself this, if Tally, McIvor or Johnston didnt think he was good enough to be near the Down team do you think they would have him there, I would have thought they are big enough men to take a stand if they thought James was basing a decision on family loyalties!!!

I thought most people got over the mccartan thing a while back but suppose some people will always be stuck in their ways!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 20, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
He looked like a division 3 player??

Is paul mc comisky not a division 3 player??  ::) ridiculous arguement....

Did his man score from play??

Another ridiculous arguement, the corner forward forward could have set up 4 or 5 scores, won easy frees and not actually scored and had a major influence on the game.

He s a decent club footballer with limited ability who dogs out of men, he does a job thats my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 20, 2011, 10:40:06 AM
The favouritism I feel really comes from the feeling that once in possession of the shirt James was never going to take it of him and give someone else a chance. I feel that and so do a lot of people

But so far this season Gerrard McCartan has held the shirt and Dan has not easily got it back so that says a lot as far as I am concerned.

As for his ability - I think he gives away too many frees and that is costly at county level. But he is a good man-marker and can contain good forwards. He brings a useful physicality but again at the expense of those frees. But he is far from being as bad as a lot of people have claimed. To say he should be nowhere near the county panel is silly in my opinion, he is certainly good enough to make most panels in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 20, 2011, 01:51:36 PM
Daniel McCartan is one of the most unfairly criticised players i have ever seen.

I cant believe that someone is saying he was bad on Sunday against the Bridge.  He had the Bridge's new corner forward, O'Rourke, in his pocket.  Everytime the ball came up near them, either Daniel was out in front, or O'Rourke was looking for a free.

He not be the best County player we have, but he aint bad. He is well worth his place on the squad, and if he wins his place back on the team then fair play to him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on April 20, 2011, 02:40:50 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on April 20, 2011, 01:51:36 PM
Daniel McCartan is one of the most unfairly criticised players i have ever seen.

I cant believe that someone is saying he was bad on Sunday against the Bridge.  He had the Bridge's new corner forward, O'Rourke, in his pocket.  Everytime the ball came up near them, either Daniel was out in front, or O'Rourke was looking for a free.

He not be the best County player we have, but he aint bad. He is well worth his place on the squad, and if he wins his place back on the team then fair play to him.

Ach well Daniel, hows things  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on April 20, 2011, 08:48:09 PM
ACL4: Saul 1-15 Bright 1-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 20, 2011, 08:51:37 PM
In D4, Drumaness won at Bredagh by 3 pts. Bredagh had a big early league but faded badly and will need to pick up points soon if they are to have a serious go at promotion. Bredagh could only draw with Bright last Friday, so tonight's result makes Saul look like seriouus contenders.
Title: Div 3
Post by: No1 on April 20, 2011, 09:00:18 PM
Kilclief beat Atticall by a point tonight, they were 10 points up at half time.  Good start after the opening victory against Darragh Cross.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 20, 2011, 09:20:31 PM
Div 3

Glenn 3-09
Carryduff 1-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFan2010 on April 20, 2011, 09:28:24 PM
Tullylish 1-22 Mitchels 2-6

Cake walk for Tullylish. Great to see John McAreavey playing for the yellows. He scored 1-12, 3 points from frees. Pretty remarkable given what that fella has been through. Obviously the county training is paying off.

How'd Carryduff do?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 20, 2011, 09:36:55 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 20, 2011, 09:20:31 PM
Div 3

Glenn 3-09
Carryduff 1-12

Always fast and reliable minus 15!! Wat ye think of tonight?

Glad to see the mitchels score, wont have to listen to the mitchells louts bout how
Flyin they are!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on April 20, 2011, 09:44:08 PM
Drumaness have a real prospect in Ryan Murtagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 20, 2011, 11:27:42 PM
Quote from: DownFan2010 on April 20, 2011, 09:28:24 PM
Tullylish 1-22 Mitchels 2-6

Cake walk for Tullylish. Great to see John McAreavey playing for the yellows. He scored 1-12, 3 points from frees. Pretty remarkable given what that fella has been through. Obviously the county training is paying off.

How'd Carryduff do?

Its a credit to this fella. Some scoring from him tonight. The way he spoke in the RTE documentary screened tonight was unreal after what he has been through.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 21, 2011, 08:56:45 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 20, 2011, 11:27:42 PM
Quote from: DownFan2010 on April 20, 2011, 09:28:24 PM
Tullylish 1-22 Mitchels 2-6

Cake walk for Tullylish. Great to see John McAreavey playing for the yellows. He scored 1-12, 3 points from frees. Pretty remarkable given what that fella has been through. Obviously the county training is paying off.

How'd Carryduff do?

Its a credit to this fella. Some scoring from him tonight. The way he spoke in the RTE documentary screened tonight was unreal after what he has been through.

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 21, 2011, 01:22:27 PM
Quote from: general on April 20, 2011, 09:36:55 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on April 20, 2011, 09:20:31 PM
Div 3

Glenn 3-09
Carryduff 1-12

Always fast and reliable minus 15!! Wat ye think of tonight?

Glad to see the mitchels score, wont have to listen to the mitchells louts bout how
Flyin they are!

Jesus Christ general will you just wait untilo after we have played mitchels until you start coming out with that again. Not bad last night by the way. You are beginning to perform like a proper keeper!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bredaghgael86 on April 21, 2011, 06:00:48 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on April 20, 2011, 09:44:08 PM
Drumaness have a real prospect in Ryan Murtagh

If this is the lad wearing 15 against bredagh then its spot on. excellent perfomance last night, will be a handful against any team this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 45 on April 21, 2011, 09:19:20 PM
Wouldn't get too excited yet ne lad with a bit of speed and can sell a dummy would look like a world beater in that division .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down_vetran on April 21, 2011, 11:44:33 PM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on April 20, 2011, 09:44:08 PM
Drumaness have a real prospect in Ryan Murtagh

I've watched this young'n a few times recently. Seems to know what he's doing. Pace, brains and skill. Things in Drumaness look good with him at their disposal.

Head on him like he's been playing the game years, and there's a rumour he's still only 16.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on April 22, 2011, 11:38:23 AM
Doea anyone know how or where to get east down results for underage and reserve football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down6061689194 on April 22, 2011, 11:51:30 AM
In his first year of minors, respected in senior squad, learnt all from his dad who turned in a MOTM performance in Junior Final last year at the age of 40. Can win good break ball to for his size. A real prospect.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on April 22, 2011, 12:03:25 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on April 22, 2011, 11:38:23 AM
Doea anyone know how or where to get east down results for underage and reserve football.

was thinking that myself, couldnt be hard for east down board to publish them on the county website like south down do!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on April 22, 2011, 12:32:39 PM
Quote from: down6061689194 on April 22, 2011, 11:51:30 AM
In his first year of minors, respected in senior squad, learnt all from his dad who turned in a MOTM performance in Junior Final last year at the age of 40. Can win good break ball to for his size. A real prospect.

what number/position was the da? was at that game myself in castlewellan

Is the aul boy still playing, must be awkward for the wee lad with the da and the 'dressing room banter' i.e. talking about women keith lemon style  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down_vetran on April 22, 2011, 05:22:35 PM
Quoteawkward for the wee lad

think of his aul man, losing his place on the team for his son, talk about awkwardness!!

all be it the da was a brilliant player but something tells me the young fella's going to take it one step further! sure to be great (if he's anything like the da)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 22, 2011, 11:54:25 PM
Quote from: down_vetran on April 22, 2011, 05:22:35 PM
Quoteawkward for the wee lad

think of his aul man, losing his place on the team for his son, talk about awkwardness!!

all be it the da was a brilliant player but something tells me the young fella's going to take it one step further! sure to be great

Is he on the county minors?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Overthebar! on April 23, 2011, 02:09:51 AM
Quote from: down_vetran on April 22, 2011, 05:22:35 PM
Quoteawkward for the wee lad

think of his aul man, losing his place on the team for his son, talk about awkwardness!!

all be it the da was a brilliant player but something tells me the young fella's going to take it one step further! sure to be great

are you for real? you wouldn't be half one to talk someone up. I don't know this lad, nor have I ever seen him play but coming out with statements like 'sure to be great' won't do anyone any good and are a bit much for a player who isn't even out of minor yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down_vetran on April 23, 2011, 10:27:21 AM
Quote from: Overthebar! on April 23, 2011, 02:09:51 AM
are you for real? you wouldn't be half one to talk someone up. I don't know this lad, nor have I ever seen him play but coming out with statements like 'sure to be great' won't do anyone any good and are a bit much for a player who isn't even out of minor yet.

i was merely making a prediction going on his aul mans days. if he plays anywhere near that standard he'll make a name for himself
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on April 23, 2011, 04:01:26 PM
Just home from the annaclone vs castlewellan game...anyone any thoughts on the match (or refereeing) Brian McIver sitting in the crowd i see...he didnt have much to look at in fairness, a lot of mistakes by both teams however some great moves at times by both teams. coming out of the ground to hear castlewellan men saying that they are too good for division 2 was laughable...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 23, 2011, 04:04:18 PM
Any chance of a result WDG ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on April 23, 2011, 04:56:34 PM
castlewellan 2-15 annaclone 3-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 23, 2011, 05:09:26 PM
On the whole Castlewellan were the better team. They looked a lot more dangerous than the Clone. The losers had a period of dominance in the 1st half but always looked like second fiddle in the 2nd.
Castlewellan are very young and light and surely would have been out of their depth in Division 1 this year but its hard to see them dropping many points in Division 2 this year.
Nobody really stood out for either team. Cahal Crilly give Brendy McArdle his fill of it and was probably the Town's best player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 23, 2011, 06:21:42 PM
Anyone at Ballycran today for Christy Ring fixture??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 23, 2011, 07:45:46 PM
ACFL Division 1

Kilcoo 1-13 An Riocht 0-11

Scoreline flattered our victory over the Kingdom this evening with 1-1 in injury time, the goal from a goalkeeping blunder.
An Riocht where the better side for the first 40 minutes with the great Marty Clarke, John Clarke, Paddy Cole and James Colgan their best players.
Kilcoo finished the game strongly with Felim McGreevy, Darragh OHanlon and Conor Laverty, when he was left inside, instrumental.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 23, 2011, 08:00:33 PM
Burren beat Saval in the end it was more comfortable than the scoreline suggests.  How Stephen Kearney aint on our county panel is beyond me.. He gave an exhibition this evening...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 23, 2011, 08:38:31 PM
Ballyholland hammered the Stone 1-14 to 0-07 Paul Murphy outstanding as the poster before said of Kearney cant see how he is not on county set up i dont know . In peak fitness still think he could do a job at that level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 23, 2011, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on April 23, 2011, 08:38:31 PM
Ballyholland hammered the Stone 1-14 to 0-07 Paul Murphy outstanding as the poster before said of Kearney cant see how he is not on county set up i dont know . In peak fitness still think he could do a job at that level

The Stone are gonna struggle big time. Thats two hammerings, they just dont have the numbers or have quality strength in depth to cope without their missing players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 23, 2011, 08:56:25 PM
Quote from: alba2 on April 23, 2011, 08:00:33 PM
Burren beat Saval in the end it was more comfortable than the scoreline suggests.  How Stephen Kearney aint on our county panel is beyond me.. He gave an exhibition this evening...

Are you for real, i was at that game myself. You're either mixing him up with somebody else or your a huge fan of his. Best players on the park were Savals no 7 & 6, says it all about Burrens dissapointing half forward line really. Dan MCartan was good for Burren and Gerard McCartan totally snuffed out any potential threat Falloon posed. Burren in truth were far superior but did their best to hand it back to Saval a few times. Early doors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 23, 2011, 09:03:36 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on April 23, 2011, 08:38:31 PM
Ballyholland hammered the Stone 1-14 to 0-07 Paul Murphy outstanding as the poster before said of Kearney cant see how he is not on county set up i dont know . In peak fitness still think he could do a job at that level

Not trying to be rude but did he ever do a job at the very top level.  Nice lad, decent club footballer but not an intercounty player.  Ross didnt do him any favours by somehow playing him at midfield for the county.  James tried to convert him into a defender as he obviously thought he wasnt near the level required to play in the forward line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 23, 2011, 09:06:32 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 23, 2011, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on April 23, 2011, 08:38:31 PM
Ballyholland hammered the Stone 1-14 to 0-07 Paul Murphy outstanding as the poster before said of Kearney cant see how he is not on county set up i dont know . In peak fitness still think he could do a job at that level

The Stone are gonna struggle big time. Thats two hammerings, they just dont have the numbers or have quality strength in depth to cope without their missing players.

I can see the stone and rostrevor joining saval and ballyholland in the bottom 4 this year.  There could be a bit of a gap develop between the top 4 and the rest as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 23, 2011, 09:08:38 PM
Sorry Whitegoodman didnt make it clearer it was Murphy i was on about didnt see Kearney so cant comment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 23, 2011, 09:50:52 PM
Unlike v Kilcoo, the Stone had everyone playing apart from Ryan Kelly + Ambrose. Harps were without Rony Murtagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 23, 2011, 09:58:05 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on April 23, 2011, 08:38:31 PM
Ballyholland hammered the Stone 1-14 to 0-07 Paul Murphy outstanding as the poster before said of Kearney cant see how he is not on county set up i dont know . In peak fitness still think he could do a job at that level
I know its only two games in but if Murph keeps playing like that James can't ignore him....it would be good for the lad if he did get another chance but it would be devastating for us...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 23, 2011, 10:18:21 PM
That is some win and scoring for harps without rony.  Id say privately the ballyholland lads would like to keep murphy to themselves. 

Incidently were do ya reckon murphy could come back in to the county side, i cant see him getting back in in the half back line, is he too small for intercounty midfield?  Could possibly be used as an impact sub if they are in trouble to bomb on from defence or midfield.  Thought he got too big over the last year or too, lost a bit of the mobility and dynamism which he had a few years back when he given dooher a bit of a chasing but if he got that back then he certainly would be a viable option for the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 24, 2011, 12:12:51 AM
Didnt see any football today but I seen ballyholland play the ford last week and I said on here they would take points off teams, they are extremely physical and strong around the middle! I do feel a bit for the stone and all the mourne clubs in general, I hear reports that atticall, an riocht, ballymartin have all lost a serious amount of players due to lack of work which is extremely worrying for those sides. Division 1 will be competitive this year outside of kilcoo, bridge and the champions burren. The rest are on a level playing field.

Anyone know if there are any games on tomoro in the top 2 divisions??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 24, 2011, 03:45:58 PM
Although Murphy is not that overly big he can catch a ball and has the power to break the tackle . Had abit of extra weight on last year that has gone and looks really fit . The one thing he has going for him is that he has a great engine . To be honest he never let the county down no matter what job he was asked to do . I know the defence is going to be hard to get into but he would be another option . I always thought he could of done a job at full back and with james system would of been protected not like when Ross and DJ tried him there and left him hung out to dry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 24, 2011, 04:27:47 PM
Point beat liatrom by 6 points the day, gonna be a tight league outside of castlewellen by the looks of it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 24, 2011, 09:23:10 PM
[are you for real, i was at that game myself. You're either mixing him up with somebody else or your a huge fan of his. Best players on the park were Savals no 7 & 6, says it all about Burrens dissapointing half forward line really. Dan MCartan was good for Burren and Gerard McCartan totally snuffed out any potential threat Falloon posed. Burren in truth were far superior but did their best to hand it back to Saval a few times. Early doors.
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Yes i am for real - what game were you at?? if you didnt see Kearney outcatching both burren midfielders at times - both of which were on county panel last year - and setting up 2 points for Daren Cunningham and one for Liam Turley - all in second half - then you had your eyes closed. He gave a great display. surely he is an option at this level - im not saying he should start - but could be an option. G Mc Cartan is a class act and will surely pick up Jaimie Clarke when we play Armagh - has pace, power, positional sense and a good passer of the ball. D Mc Cartan is a good club player but could be hard pushed to make the county team for the championship this year. Burren have serious strength in depth and can afford to keep players on the line that were regulars last season - other teams are struggling to keep consistent teams for different reasons...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 25, 2011, 05:40:37 PM
Rostrevor 2-11 Mayobridge 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 25, 2011, 05:46:13 PM
Ford beat Clonduff by 8 I hear
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 25, 2011, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 25, 2011, 05:40:37 PM
Rostrevor 2-11 Mayobridge 0-10

Bit of a shock result that. What sort of game was it SS?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 25, 2011, 06:03:36 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 25, 2011, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 25, 2011, 05:40:37 PM
Rostrevor 2-11 Mayobridge 0-10

Bit of a shock result that. What sort of game was it SS?

I think the scoreline rather than the result is the most shocking from a neutral/bridge point of view.

Bridge totally dominated the opening 15 mins but only had one point to show for all their work. Rostrevor got a penalty shortly after to go in front and that really kick started their game. Began to get a bit more impression and tagged on a few points, I think it was 1-3 0-4 at half time something along those lines. 2nd half was going the same way as latter part of first with reds leading 1-5 0-7 but then the bridge seemed to take control of proceedings and went 2 points ahead and looked like they were going to steamroll rostrevor for the rest of the game. But the reds came back with a couple of points and then another goal to go in front and the bridge failed to score again before a free and another point sealed it for rostrevor.

Really a good work rate and positive attitude won it for the boys. Bridge looked short up front and only when their subs came on at the start of the second half did they work any real scoring chances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on April 25, 2011, 06:23:29 PM
ACL4: Drumaness 2-12 Saul 4-8

Really got out of jail on this one. Ahead once in the game with a last minute goal. Drumaness have some excellent talent and will go far this year and felt for them at the end even though delighted with the 2 pts that I didn"t see coming halfway thru the 2nd half when 7pts down. Add in Stratts fantastic save with 4 mins left to avoid going 4 behind and its a game I'd watch again if it was filmed - full of action. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on April 25, 2011, 06:28:10 PM
Drumgath  2-7   Banbridge  1-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on April 25, 2011, 08:16:28 PM
ACFL 3

Dundrum 2-15 Mitchels 0-06
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 25, 2011, 08:20:56 PM
RGU beat Shamrocks by 8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 25, 2011, 09:46:20 PM
Teconnacht 0-5 St Pauls 2-11....a good win away at one of the favourites :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 26, 2011, 10:02:42 AM
ACFL Division 1 2011

25/04/2011

Clonduff  0 - 10 vs 2 - 13 Bryansford  16:00 Babhta Two
Rostrevor  2 - 11 vs 0 - 10 Mayobridge  16:00 Babhta Two

23/04/2011

Ballyholland  1 - 14 vs 0 - 7 Longstone  19:00 Babhta Two
Burren  2 - 10 vs 0 - 12 Saval  18:00 Babhta Two
Kilcoo  1 - 13 vs 0 - 10 An Riocht  16:00 Babhta Two

ACFL Division 2 2011

25/04/2011

Downpatrick  1 - 14 vs 1 - 5 Shamrocks  16:00 Babhta Two
Drumgath  2 - 7 vs 1 - 9 Clann na Banna  16:00 Babhta Two

24/04/2011

Loughinisland  1 - 8 vs 0 - 8 Ballymartin  14:00 Babhta Two
Warrenpoint  2 - 11 vs 1 - 8 Liatroim  12:30 Babhta Two
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 26, 2011, 10:19:34 AM
Quote from: alba2 on April 23, 2011, 08:00:33 PM
Burren beat Saval in the end it was more comfortable than the scoreline suggests.  How Stephen Kearney aint on our county panel is beyond me.. He gave an exhibition this evening...

Didn't Stephen Kearney opt out of the county panel last year? I understood that he was unhappy that, having played most of the league in the half forwards that Mark Poland took his place at the start of the championship. I had heard he chose to leave the panel. Maybe I am wrong, I'd like to hear the truth if anyone knows it?

Incidentally Kearney played in 7 league games plus the final and he scored only one point which was against Kildare in the very first game.
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Post by: NP 76 on April 26, 2011, 12:15:16 PM
1 point isnt a great return for a half forward compare that to Mark Poland who scored considerable more than that just havent got his scores at hand. I had heard that he pulled out myself and actually getting out of a taxi bus the day of the semi final . Imagine how he must of felt after going home knowing that he was going to miss out on running out on All Ireland day . Imagine the slagging he took on the bus on the way home
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 26, 2011, 01:08:22 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on April 26, 2011, 12:15:16 PM
1 point isnt a great return for a half forward compare that to Mark Poland who scored considerable more than that just havent got his scores at hand. I had heard that he pulled out myself and actually getting out of a taxi bus the day of the semi final . Imagine how he must of felt after going home knowing that he was going to miss out on running out on All Ireland day . Imagine the slagging he took on the bus on the way home

In English?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 26, 2011, 02:08:07 PM
Meant to say that i saw him getting out of a taxi bus or hired bus with his mates where as a few months earlier he was travelling down with the team .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 26, 2011, 02:29:46 PM
Murph's back on the county panel....twas only a matter of time...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 26, 2011, 02:48:09 PM
Delighted to hear that should never of been of it in the first place. Wont do the Harps any favours all the same . Hope he gets a fair crack of it this time around
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 27, 2011, 09:05:28 AM
NP76 you're a bit careless with the old english, I wonder who is to blame was it Chester, McDaid or wee tom? ;D

Incidentally Poland scored 1-7 in two league matches (6 from frees).

In the championship he started every match (8 games) and scored 1-18 (13 from frees)

Certainly seems to justify James's decision


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on April 27, 2011, 10:03:05 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 27, 2011, 09:05:28 AM
NP76 you're a bit careless with the old english, I wonder who is to blame was it Chester, McDaid or wee tom? ;D

Incidentally Poland scored 1-7 in two league matches (6 from frees).

In the championship he started every match (8 games) and scored 1-18 (13 from frees)

Certainly seems to justify James's decision

Definitely Chester....the man struggled with it himself!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on April 27, 2011, 11:14:48 AM
with regard to the Murphy/Kearney discussion and whether they should be on the panel, its my belief that both are good enough to be included.  although only two club league games have been played this year it does appear that both players have been the stand out performers for the two promoted teams thus far.

Murphy is strong, athletic and a very good fielder of the ball.  Although sometimes i feel he can take too much out of the ball (at times) for his club, its not something i've seen him do for Down.  He is most definitely a viable midfeild or even possibly half back option.  In my OPINION he could be ahead of Colgan in the pecking order.  I await a blacklash from the Colgan fans!

I'm not totally sure where, or indeed why, the Kearney v Poland debate began.  There is most definitely room for both in the panel!   I'm a big fan of Poland, he's been a revelation for Down.  He's fleet of foot, as has already been noted a competent score taker, and has also won his fair share of break ball at times.
Kearney is a different type of player, he's strong, a good ball winner and an excellent passer.  As has been noted he may not have been the best score getter for Down in the past, i don't think that it his main asset, and there is much more do a half forward than scoring...though it is useful to have the ability to get a score when the opportunity presents itself, something i think Kearney is capable of.  Anyway i always felt both Ross and James played him quite deep, helping the defence.

Finally whether Murphy or Kearney left the panel in the past of their own accord is not a major issue.  This is a new year and we want the strongest available panel to challenge in the 2011 chapionship, both would improve the panel whether from the starting team, from the bench or by simply pushing the players who are already there forward in training. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 27, 2011, 05:03:24 PM
Knockitdown 100% right Chester and wee Art . Think i should of paid more heed to the computer class not very handy on it at all woodwork took priorty .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 28, 2011, 10:09:41 AM
Paul Murphy being back on the county panel is an interesting one.  Someone before mentioned the possibility of trying him at full back again.  IMO this would be like trying Kevin McKernan at FB again and would waste everything that is good about murphy and bring out the weaker side of his game.

He is at his best when he is running forward with the ball in hand from either half back line or midfield.  He doesnt have the mindset to play fullback probably because he only ever played there a few times in his life and his natural instincts on the field are always to get forward and support which isnt a bad thing as long as ur not playing in the full back line.  I would imagine he hated his stint there when Ross tried him for the 1 or 2 games that he did.  As I said before it is his strength, dynamism and running power which make him stand out at club level and has previously done so at county level and imo to move him to FB would negate all of this.

Unfortunately for him I dont see James changing his half back line at this stage and it is likely that he is going to be seen as an impact sub from either wing back or possibly midfield.  BTW i seen in the paper the other day that he scored 6 against longstone, if this is true and all were from play from midfield then that is quite an impressive performance.
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Post by: thewobbler on April 28, 2011, 10:20:05 AM
WGM, one was a free, but it was more or less from the car park and should have counted double.

Delighted for Murph that he's got the call up. I don't mean to disrespect Choc Brannigan at all, but I think just about everyone in Down would have preferred to see Murphy come onto the field as the defensive sub instead of him. He's just got that bit more about him.

I'd echo the sentiments about not wasting time with him at FB. His game is about motion, not control, and he just doesn't fit there. Where he should hopefully play a big role for Down is against the constant motion wing forwards, who are a bit too energetic for Garvey or Rooney.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 28, 2011, 11:40:32 AM
Just a reply to the Wobbler and WGM i mentioned that i thiught he could do a job at full back  back but that was at a time we didnt have a full back and were trying everyman and his dog . Not like now where James has worked on Dan and Benny Mc Ardle but neither of these men were full backs and this is where the system that James applies helps them out not like Ross when there was no cover for any of the defenders . to be honest Paul will do whats asked of him wheter its impact sub or starting role in half back mid field or as another option at half forward because as i have said before he has a great engine to get up and down the field no probelm . Would have to say there wasnt many days he let us down before just ask Dooher
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 28, 2011, 03:54:13 PM
Murphy is well worth a place in the squad and adds to the competition for places in the half back line. Brannigan is a strong, physical player but he gives away too many frees and has almost no creativity about him. It was very surprising that he was thrown in at midfield in the second half of the AI final, and appeared there again early in the league game against Kerry. Murphy gives us another option at midfield if anything happens to King or Fitzpatrick. He is not as good in the air as Colgan but has much more pace and can be excellent at winning the breaking ball. It is depressing that Ambrose has not yet had a run out at club level, and his recovery is looking like a long-term project, but it would be much worse if he came back too soon and broke down again. The one debate we can hopefully put to bed is about full back. Dan may not be a natural in the position, but the number of goals we concede has dropped dramatically since he switched there and the sense of panic we used to display over a big thump of a ball down the midde has almost entirely disappeared. Moving him out the field would be crazy, and it is fairly clear that James has made up his mind on this one. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 28, 2011, 07:45:03 PM
Have to agree Mourne rover would be mad to move Dan out now doing a good job, great presence at the back but what james now has is options in most positions which we havent had for along time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 28, 2011, 08:36:59 PM
Glenn 2.14 darragh cross 0.12
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Post by: dundrumite on April 28, 2011, 08:40:12 PM
Dundrum 2-14 Atticall 0-08
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 28, 2011, 08:49:31 PM
Mayobridge 1-9 Kilcoo 2-12
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 28, 2011, 08:51:23 PM
Bryansford beat Burren.
Kingdom beat Longstone by 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 28, 2011, 08:54:14 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 28, 2011, 03:54:13 PM
Murphy is well worth a place in the squad and adds to the competition for places in the half back line. Brannigan is a strong, physical player but he gives away too many frees and has almost no creativity about him. It was very surprising that he was thrown in at midfield in the second half of the AI final, and appeared there again early in the league game against Kerry. Murphy gives us another option at midfield if anything happens to King or Fitzpatrick. He is not as good in the air as Colgan but has much more pace and can be excellent at winning the breaking ball. It is depressing that Ambrose has not yet had a run out at club level, and his recovery is looking like a long-term project, but it would be much worse if he came back too soon and broke down again. The one debate we can hopefully put to bed is about full back. Dan may not be a natural in the position, but the number of goals we concede has dropped dramatically since he switched there and the sense of panic we used to display over a big thump of a ball down the midde has almost entirely disappered. Moving him out the field would be crazy, and it is fairly clear that James has made up his mind on this one.
We all rave about Murph running the legs of Dooher that year...but he's a better player now by far...delighted he's back...he deserves another chance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 28, 2011, 08:55:09 PM
Thursday 28th April, 2011

ACFL Division 2 2011
Annaclone  2 - 13 vs 2 - 11 Warrenpoint 
Liatroim  0 - 7 vs 2 - 6 Castlewellan 
Ballymartin  0 - 12 vs 1 - 6 Downpatrick 

ACFL Division 1 2011

Saval  2 - 13 vs 3 - 12 Clonduff 
Bryansford  1 - 17 vs 0 - 9 Burren 
Mayobridge  1 - 9 vs 2 - 12 Kilcoo 
Longstone  1 - 12 vs 2 - 12 An Riocht 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on April 28, 2011, 09:31:57 PM
Loughinisland beat Drumgath by 2 points
Title: Div 3
Post by: No1 on April 28, 2011, 11:12:58 PM
Kilclief beat Bosco by 5. 
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Post by: Dubh driocht on April 29, 2011, 09:42:10 AM
Bredagh beat Dromara by 4 or 5
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Post by: Leo on April 29, 2011, 10:10:13 AM
At the Bridge game - very poor crowd for a top game on a beautiful spring evening.
Garvey went off early with what looked like a hamstring - strengthens the Murphy argument even more.
Kilcoo by far better team - Bridge's usual  best players were poor - Ronan Sexton very poor - only McClorey & Noel Sexton seemed up for it. Niall McEvoy, McGreevy at midfield & Daragh O'Hanlon (some wonderful points from frees and play) best for Kilcoo.
Looks like Mayobridge are on the slide and will be in trouble until Benny comes back.
Kilcoo have  a huge squad and not afraid to use subs - including clever immediate substitiution that saved a likely red card for one on-the-edge defender.
Game played in better spirit than some of the constant unnecessary abusive language from a couple of "magpies" on the terrace.
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Post by: sebastion on April 29, 2011, 11:40:35 AM
Loughinisland 0-14     1-9 Drumgath
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Post by: redandblackareback on April 29, 2011, 12:06:09 PM
Jody Gormley and Longstone have parted company after last nights defeat.
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Post by: NP 76 on April 29, 2011, 12:24:03 PM
Heard that rumour on wednesday Redand black but didnt like to post it as wasnt 100% sure heard Mark Polands father taking over .
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Post by: southdown on April 29, 2011, 12:39:32 PM
Gormley went on Monday after the Ballyholland defeat
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Post by: extra time on April 29, 2011, 01:30:03 PM
good to see ambrose back on the pitch last night. he got about 15 mins and was on the ball a couple of times. obviously a bit nervous looking at first. great to see him back!
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Post by: RGU08 on April 29, 2011, 01:31:52 PM
Anyone know if Martin Clarke played last night for the Kingdom?
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Post by: extra time on April 29, 2011, 02:30:13 PM
martin played full game and scored a penalty goal and a few frees. started at corner forward and ended up centre half.
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Post by: 45 on April 29, 2011, 05:46:56 PM
Point and Clone match must have been a good match going by the score . Can see the top 3 positions in this division being a real battle between 5 or 6 teams.
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Post by: NP 76 on April 29, 2011, 08:33:07 PM
Isnt it great to hear Ambrose back on the field again hope he gets some decent game time before the end of May without any complications
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Post by: downredblack on April 30, 2011, 10:04:42 AM
Great news and best of luck to the lad . He is due some .
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Post by: Square Ball on April 30, 2011, 08:44:25 PM
At the Bredagh Drumaness game the other week one of our fellas was running down the wing and was "Taken Out" by soemone on the line, tut tut tut  :o
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Post by: alba2 on May 02, 2011, 10:42:13 AM
county had a couple of challenge games over the weekend - any word how they got on??
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Post by: PAULD123 on May 02, 2011, 11:32:28 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on April 29, 2011, 08:33:07 PM
Isnt it great to hear Ambrose back on the field again hope he gets some decent game time before the end of May without any complications

There shouldn't be any complications to expect. It's not like a player returning after a hamstring tear where it may not be fully healed and possibly weak. In Ambrose's case he is well past the healing phase for the operation. There should be no real risk of re-occurrance. As far as the operation goes he could have been training at least 2 months ago so the ligament should be well knitted tgether. The problem was that he picked up an infection in his knee (remember he has no spleen and that may have been an influence, I don't know for sure). Now that the infection is gone he should have no higher risk in training than any other player.


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Post by: NP 76 on May 02, 2011, 12:19:21 PM
From what i hear Paul it was the lack of the Spleen that is doing the harm picking up infections and then harder to get rid of them . A big boost to have available to call upon before the championship
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Post by: 5 Sams on May 02, 2011, 08:03:15 PM
This week's fixtures...

Tues May 3rd (7 30)
ACFL Div 1
Ballyholland v Rostrevor(M Rawlinson)
ACMFL Div 1
An Riocht v Shamrocks(D Ryan)
Saul v Burren(C Doyle)
Rostrevor v Kilcoo(R Mc Dowell)
Clonduff v Bredagh(P Mc Dowell)
Downpatrick v Castlewellan(K Mc Mahon)
ACMFL Div 2
Loughinisland v Tullylish(P Stacey)
St John Bosco v Cill Dharach(A Rodgers)
Carryduff v Mayobridge(K O Brien)
Bryansford v Saval(C Mc Alinden)
ACMFL Div 3
Atticall v St Johns(M O Rourke)
Drumgath v St Pauls(JF Murray)
Ardglass v Cill Breachtain(J Maguinness)
Glenn v Longstone(G Brennan)
Drumaness v Clann na Banna(C Mc Mullan)
St Josephs v Mitchels(G Marks)
Wed May 4th (7 30)
ACPRL Div 2
Downpatrick v Saval(S Lowey)
ACMFL Div 2
Ballyholland v Ballymartin(M Devlin)
Thurs 5th May (7 30)
ACHL Div 1
Portaferry v Ballycran(L Quinn)
ACFL Div 4
St Pauls v Bright(P Mc Cartan)
ACPRL Div 1
Rostrevor v Kilcoo(K Trainor)
Fri May 6th (7 30)
ACPRL Div 1
An Riocht v Clonduff(C Mooney)
Castlewellan v Carryduff(K Mc Mahon)
Burren v Bryansford(L Morgan)
Loughinisland v Mayobridge(N Morgan)
ACPRL Div 2
Bredagh v Downpatrick(P Gelston)
St Johns v Saval(A Sharvin)
Clann na Banna v Annaclone(F Laverty)
Ballyholland v Tullylish(PJ Cunningham)
Longstone v Liatroim(S Lowey)
Sun May 8th (3 00)
ACFL Div 1
Clonduff vRostrevor(D Carr)
Kilcoo v Saval(P Toner)
Ballyholland v Mayobridge(D Moore)
An Riocht v Bryansford(C Reynolds)
ACFL Div 2
Castlewellan v Loughinisland(A Grant)
Downpatrick v Liatroim(G Corrigan)
Drumgath v Ballymartin(B Andrews)
Clann na Banna v Warrenpoint(M Lynch)
ACFL Div 3
Darragh Cross v Dundrum(E O Hare)
Mitchels v Glenn(D Ryan)
St John Bosco v St Johns(D Brogan)
Carryduff v Kilclief(O Burke)
Glasdrumman v Ardglass(M Rawlinson)
Atticall v Tullylish(J Burns)
ACFL Div 4
Teconnaught v St Mocheals(M Curran)
Drumaness v St Pauls(P Mc Cartan)
Aghaderg v Aughlisnafinn(M Devlin)
Dromara v Saul(E Mulvenna)
Sun 8th (5 00)
ACFL Div 2
Annaclone v Shamrocks(N Cousins)
Sun 8th (7 00)
ACFL Div 1
Longstone v Burren(C Brannigan)
Mon May 9th (7 30)
ACHL Div 1
Balella v Liatroim(K Mc Guinness)
ACHL Div 2
Carryduff v Portaferry(L Quinn)
Ballycran v Bredagh(P Branniff)
ACFL Div 4
Bright v Ballykinlar(J Killen)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on May 03, 2011, 07:28:32 PM
Baile Choinnleora 0-12 Naomh Pól 2-15

Three out of Three.... ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 03, 2011, 09:40:02 PM
Ballyholland 2-08 Rostrevor !-08 Rostrevor got a penalty the last kick of the game to add some respectability to the scoreline  Good win for Harps tonight draw at halt time 4 all . Tough game some big hits and alot of niggle all the way through it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on May 03, 2011, 09:55:42 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on May 03, 2011, 09:40:02 PM
Ballyholland 2-08 Rostrevor !-08 Rostrevor got a penalty the last kick of the game to add some respectability to the scoreline  Good win for Harps tonight draw at halt time 4 all . Tough game some big hits and alot of niggle all the way through it

Bholland looked very comfortable against a poor Rostrevor team who played across the field for practically the whole game and it's a wonder they got near the goals at all. Soft penalty at the end for them. Physical game but very short on quality. Robbie White the best player on view, outshining the two Murphys, Parr & Murney.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on May 03, 2011, 10:39:42 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on May 03, 2011, 07:28:32 PM
Baile Choinnleora 0-12 Naomh Pól 2-15

Three out of Three.... ;D

St.Pauls are going well this year, i see if use beat Bright by 14 on thurs, u will go top on points difference. It's not inconceivable as u have home advantage + Bright will no doubt be missing a few due to soccer commitments!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 04, 2011, 08:06:40 AM
When is the draw for the championships?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 04, 2011, 11:54:50 AM
Beating cavan and drawing with Offaly over the weekend.. I hear we have lost a few players from the experience which is a bit of a blow to the championship plans.. But with Ambrose back - at least midfield should get a boost for the game with Armagh..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 04, 2011, 12:02:33 PM
what players have fallen by the wayside then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 04, 2011, 01:01:13 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 04, 2011, 12:02:33 PM
what players have fallen by the wayside then

Conor garvey, hamstring, Declan Rooney, Hamstring, and Mark Poland , knee all serious doubts for the game v armagh..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 04, 2011, 01:16:27 PM
Garvey and Rooney both got hurt in club games and neither were playing for their club last week, Garvey is the biggest doubt.  Gerrard McCartan also hurt his ankle from what i hear in the challenge matches over the wkend and would also be rated as doubtful.  Rony Murtagh hasnt played a club game yet this year due to an ankle injury but should be alright in a wk or 2

From what i hear ambrose knee is fine now and it is the hamstring that is the problem.  Apparantly he needs to build it up again after being so long out ( Im no physio but could this not have been done in conjunction with the reabilitation of the knee).  Dont think the county managment were too happy that he came on the other night either!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 04, 2011, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 04, 2011, 01:16:27 PM
Garvey and Rooney both got hurt in club games and neither were playing for their club last week, Garvey is the biggest doubt.  Gerrard McCartan also hurt his ankle from what i hear in the challenge matches over the wkend and would also be rated as doubtful.  Rony Murtagh hasnt played a club game yet this year due to an ankle injury but should be alright in a wk or 2

From what i hear ambrose knee is fine now and it is the hamstring that is the problem.  Apparantly he needs to build it up again after being so long out ( Im no physio but could this not have been done in conjunction with the reabilitation of the knee).  Dont think the county managment were too happy that he came on the other night either!!!

Rooney only played against the bridge and didnt look interested in the game at all - def didnt look lijke a county player that day.  Gerard Mc Cartan would be a massive loss as he could pick up Jamie Clarke in the game and nullify his threat.  garvey has had a bit of a stop start season with both club and county - need him on the pitch on the 28th though as he is massive player for us.  Ambrose is going to take a bit longer to get back - but we have a long summer ahead of us so its grand.  Wouldnt pass any remarks on county management not being too impressed - it was a derby game and he was gonna try it.  Pride of the parish still means something to some players...
Did Murtagh not play last night for the harps against Rostrevor?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 04, 2011, 04:28:59 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 04, 2011, 01:16:27 PM
From what i hear ambrose knee is fine now and it is the hamstring that is the problem.  Apparantly he needs to build it up again after being so long out ( Im no physio but could this not have been done in conjunction with the reabilitation of the knee).

Not really WGM, see the rehabilitation of a ligament and muscle are different. The ligament had to be allowed to rest to heal from the operation, whereas the muscle is strengthened by use. If you rest the ligament you lose the strength of the muscle. If you exercise the muscle you weaken the healing ligament. It's the same with broken bones. To heal the bone the leg is inactive in a cast. The result is that after the bone has healed, there is then a process of strengthening the muscle tissue that has wasted away. Ligaments are more like flexible bones than muscles.

But 6 weeks training is just about enough time to strengthen leg muscles that have been inactive for 6 months. After two weeks the muscle tissue is strong enough to be fully trained on and another four builds it up to at least not be out balanced by the other leg. By the Armagh game Ambrose should have no problems with his legs, it could maybe just be the cardio capacity that he may be lacking as his general fitness level will have receeded quite a bit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 04, 2011, 04:31:25 PM
Murtagh played the 2nd half against Rostrevor, and wasn't at his sharpest. I'd say he's a couple of weeks away himself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Class of 99 on May 04, 2011, 08:04:29 PM
How is dee Rafferty getting on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 04, 2011, 10:22:20 PM
played a while against kerry but have heard little since about him .Sure he will be pushing hard come the end of the month hope he is always gives 100%
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on May 04, 2011, 10:27:38 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 04, 2011, 04:31:25 PM
Murtagh played the 2nd half against Rostrevor, and wasn't at his sharpest. I'd say he's a couple of weeks away himself.

Thought he was "sharp" enough in that he contributed a couple of important scores but he was limping throughout. More than a couple of weeks I woud say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 04, 2011, 10:52:19 PM
Just before the shit possibly hits the fan, the county board are suggesting that next Friday's (13th May) unstarred League fixtures either become starred or alternatively are moved forward to Wednesday the 11th May were they would remain unstarred.

County board meeting tomorrow night to vote on it. The county pulled a fast one last year and made an unstarred set of games starred and got away with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on May 05, 2011, 08:43:09 PM
Lads, any word on whats going to happen with the Shamrocks - Kingdom minor match, was a few unsighly scenes, big rows and referee blew it up woth ten mins left. I know there a county board meetin tonight so if anyone can shed any light it will be greatly appriciated
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 05, 2011, 09:46:30 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 04, 2011, 10:52:19 PM
Just before the shit possibly hits the fan, the county board are suggesting that next Friday's (13th May) unstarred League fixtures either become starred or alternatively are moved forward to Wednesday the 11th May were they would remain unstarred.

County board meeting tomorrow night to vote on it. The county pulled a fast one last year and made an unstarred set of games starred and got away with it.
Games go ahead on Fri night and are starred...I heard there was a few clubs not v happy :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 05, 2011, 11:01:29 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 05, 2011, 09:46:30 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 04, 2011, 10:52:19 PM
Just before the shit possibly hits the fan, the county board are suggesting that next Friday's (13th May) unstarred League fixtures either become starred or alternatively are moved forward to Wednesday the 11th May were they would remain unstarred.

County board meeting tomorrow night to vote on it. The county pulled a fast one last year and made an unstarred set of games starred and got away with it.
Games go ahead on Fri night and are starred...I heard there was a few clubs not v happy :'(

You can say that again. The only common sense option now is that the CCC move a starred set of fixtures forward to Friday 13th from a future date and play the original unstarred fixtures at a later date in the season. Hopefully they can reason to this.

There's also a new team in the SFC this year: ASK Lecale which is an amalgamation of Ardglass, Saul and Kilclief.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on May 06, 2011, 12:03:42 AM
St Pauls 1-17 Bright 2-08....4 out of 4 ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 06, 2011, 07:19:44 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on May 06, 2011, 12:03:42 AM
St Pauls 1-17 Bright 2-08....4 out of 4 ;D

Ness, Saul and Bredagh provide stiffer opposition, saying that can only beat what in front of ya, fair play.

What was the point in passing that motion about the starred system couple of years ago if the county board are going to regularly star unstarred games? If the amount of injuries is the major concern, does playing two games in a a three days make sense as opposed to playing a club match 15 days before a championship match? I imagine last year we had Paul for about 40% of league games, which in the grand scheme of things is a huge detriment to us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on May 06, 2011, 09:04:52 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 05, 2011, 11:01:29 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 05, 2011, 09:46:30 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 04, 2011, 10:52:19 PM
Just before the shit possibly hits the fan, the county board are suggesting that next Friday's (13th May) unstarred League fixtures either become starred or alternatively are moved forward to Wednesday the 11th May were they would remain unstarred.

County board meeting tomorrow night to vote on it. The county pulled a fast one last year and made an unstarred set of games starred and got away with it.
Games go ahead on Fri night and are starred...I heard there was a few clubs not v happy :'(

You can say that again. The only common sense option now is that the CCC move a starred set of fixtures forward to Friday 13th from a future date and play the original unstarred fixtures at a later date in the season. Hopefully they can reason to this.

There's also a new team in the SFC this year: ASK Lecale which is an amalgamation of Ardglass, Saul and Kilclief.

Did i miss something or is this serious?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 06, 2011, 09:23:31 AM
QuoteThere's also a new team in the SFC this year: ASK Lecale which is an amalgamation of Ardglass, Saul and Kilclief.

:o

Sure about this?  Last I heard that was on April 1st.  Not a bad name for a new soccer team though!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 06, 2011, 09:44:07 AM
Quote from: No1 on May 06, 2011, 09:23:31 AM
QuoteThere's also a new team in the SFC this year: ASK Lecale which is an amalgamation of Ardglass, Saul and Kilclief.

:o

Sure about this?  Last I heard that was on April 1st.  Not a bad name for a new soccer team though!

Apparently it's true...our co board rep told me it was discussed last night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 06, 2011, 09:52:24 AM
Well holy good f**k!  The training sessions should be interesting.   ;D

I take it we still get to play in the IFC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 06, 2011, 09:52:38 AM
I really hope it's not true.

My thinking is there'd be 9-10 Kilclief men on this team, which apart from lighting the touchpaper for a spate of inter-parish politics and ructions, means they aren't going to win a Senior Championship match.

It'd also distract the respective players from their own clubs, and would make for a more confusing Championship structure.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 06, 2011, 09:54:42 AM
Ye cheeky hoor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on May 06, 2011, 09:58:47 AM
i think it will lead to serious rows, who will manage the team? will there be a rep from each club, if so who then has the final say on team selection etc

do they still get to play in their own championships etc

how come those clubs got to do it and none other? is it a pilot scheme etc

a lot of questions over this one....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 06, 2011, 10:00:47 AM
:)

You know it's true though.

Even if the individual talent was there (which it might be), pride, passion, experience and understanding wouldn't be. You can't sling together a group of random players (with random levels of interest and commitment), who are used to Division 3 pace and tackling, and expect them to give teams like Mayobridge, Kilcoo, Burren or Bryansford a game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 06, 2011, 10:04:28 AM
Wobbs, it's a valid point right nuff.  Sometimes the truth hurts though!!

The first question I'd ask is who from our club thought this was a good idea?  Maybe the players want a chance at playing in the SFC?  It's f**king strange and no mistake.

Anyhow, the only players from the other two clubs who would strengthen the Kilclief team are Michael Magee, Liam Mullan and Stevie Stratton.........................................
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 06, 2011, 11:07:02 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 04, 2011, 08:06:40 AM
When is the draw for the championships?

24th May....streamed live on d'interweb fosta....first time ever for any county :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on May 06, 2011, 02:13:38 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 06, 2011, 10:00:47 AM
:)

You know it's true though.

Even if the individual talent was there (which it might be), pride, passion, experience and understanding wouldn't be. You can't sling together a group of random players (with random levels of interest and commitment), who are used to Division 3 pace and tackling, and expect them to give teams like Mayobridge, Kilcoo, Burren or Bryansford a game.

Amalgamation works well enough in Kerry. Some of the groupings have long histories but there is a degree of flexibility...teams opt in and out and even change regions for the " county" championship.   If by some miracle ASK were to win the Down championship I presume they are ineligible for Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 06, 2011, 03:37:54 PM
I didnt hear of any ask amalgamation. If the county board were discussing it, id imagine it would be in relation to next season. It would probably take a year for people to get their heads round it ,I could picture Marty Bang Sharvin and Sherlock Brady from Kilclief on the phone to Hugo Duncan right now condemning such proposals in total outrage. I dont think it would sit to well with any of the Sharvins  or Dee King or anyone in Kilclief for that matter. Ive only ever heard one person associated with Kilclief suggest an amalgamation before and he is origionally from Belfast so he probably doesnt even get a vote down there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 06, 2011, 04:47:41 PM
My understanding is that the 16 teams in the SFC will be put in to a hat and the team that is drawn out will play ASK Lecale in a Preliminary Round game with the winner progressing to the 1st Round proper.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 06, 2011, 04:54:34 PM
The proposal of amalgamated Division 3 and 4 clubs entering the Down SFC seemed to get good backing at Convention.
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Its a terrible idea in my eyes but one which could come about in the not too distant future.
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I think the logic behind it is that almost half our clubs rarely provide county players at any level.With the notable exception of the likes of Dundrum with Paul McC,half the GAA playing population is untapped.There are quality athletes and footballers in all clubs,but their lack of exposure to top class football,may be one reason why very few step up to county standard.Such a system appears to work well in Kerry,where they always seem to unearth players from junior clubs.It would have to be carefully structured to ensure fairness-especially to clubs who are capable of fielding on their own at senior level.Imagine,for example, if Kilcoo with a population of a few hundred were to be beaten in the 1st round by an amalgamation of Bredagh/Carryduff/St.Pauls with a population of 100,000.Wouldn't be easy to get a fair system,but at least this debate gets people thinking about ways of improving our county player pool.The other potential  positive for junior clubs is that it would lessen the chances of senior clubs allegedly poaching talented Junior club players,with the carrot of senior football.
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In my opinion some people have a very distorted view of Division's 3 and 4. Last year was the worst standard I have seen in Division 3 in a decade whilst Division 4 is little more than a pub league.

There are four players on James McCartan's McKenna Cup panel from Divisions 3 and 4. Declan Alder is in as a keeper while Kevy Anderson, Mick Magee and Paul McComiskey are three of the outfield selections. Without a shadow of a doubt the latter three are the best three players in the bottom two Divisions. One thing they have in common is that they all have county pedigree. All three of them have played County Minor and U-21 while two of them have participated at 3rd level.

Now you tell me, how one possibly two games with a team of gather ups in the Down SFC is going to unearth county standard players from the bottom two Divisions? Answer - it's not! A couple of games a year doesn't condition a player for SFC standard football. Playing in the top tier over a number of years might.

Also, say for instance Dundrum and St Johns put in a joint team for the SFC. Not only would both these teams be training for their own Championships at the same time but the hard cold fact is that a Dundrum man wouldn't piss on a St Johns man if he was on fire and vice versa. This would be the same all over the county if neighbouring clubs joined up.

Again, there are more problems associated with such a venture. Where should the team train? Who would take the team? What jerseys should the teams wear? + the various different arguments that would arise in regard to the selection of teams etc. Most clubs in the bottom two Divisions don't have their house in order regarding structures and the like and the last thing they need to be concentrating on is some sham of a representational team. They should be focussing on improving themselves. Ultimately, what would winning a game in the Down SFC with an amalgamated team mean to the players involved? In my view - f**k all! Any player worth his salt should be giving his all to his club then his county.

If a player in the lower tiers is good enough for county football he will be recognised. There is no doubt about that. Bar Peter Withnell, players just don't spring up overnight. There is not some conspiracy out there by the county selectors to overlook players in the bottom two Divisions. The players mentioned earlier who have been picked for the 2010 county team stick out like a sore thumb in Division 3. They are head and shoulders above the standard and this is obvious in most of the games they play in over the year.

There is a far bigger gap between Division 1 and Division 3 than people think. It is basically light and day. I believe that an amalgamated team would struggle against most opposition in the SFC.

Again, going ahead with this venture won't stop the bigger clubs attempting to poach players from the lower echelons. The likes of Loughinisland, who have had a flagrant disregard for the transfer rules in our county for the past thirty years, will continue to poach players. It's in their fabric and your suggestion that this will cease has no merit.

Kerry and Cork practice the Championship format you suggest. Thats only two counties out of 32. The reason the other 30 don't use it is because it isnt a good format. Your yearning for change seems to be based on the fact that you want to see more Junior players on the county team. Why do Junior club players have to be on county teams? What right over Division 1 and 2 players do they have to be represented on a county team? You seem to make a special case for them.

As I said before. If you are good enough, you are good enough. The players that have been picked for the Down team this year are there because they are the best players in the lower ranks. They star week in week out. When a player performs to this standard on a weekly basis he will make a county team. Not when he maybe scores 2-05 in a one off SFC game for a team of gather ups.

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This was a debate from 2009 regarding amalgamted teams in the Down SFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 06, 2011, 05:53:24 PM
Downfanatic, as a neutral looking on, and as someone who would have a good insight into all 3 teams, if they were to get their act together, train collectively for the next 3 months etc, how do you think they would get on. Mick Magee, Liam Mullan, Rosie Sloan, Ricky Kerr and possibly his cousin Neil Teggart if he was interested would be a very decent forward line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on May 06, 2011, 09:54:01 PM
What a wonderful oportunity for someone to be able to have a kick at boyos from Ardglass, Kilclief and Saul all during the one match, in fairness though the Ardglass lads will probably be starting fights with their new teammates anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 06, 2011, 10:09:14 PM
I dont think the ardglass boys will be fighting with their new teammates joe, if no1 is picking the team their will only be 2 of them playing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on May 07, 2011, 03:51:55 PM
Drumgath 0-17 Ballymartin 2-16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 07, 2011, 05:37:59 PM
Quote from: ardtole on May 06, 2011, 05:53:24 PM
Downfanatic, as a neutral looking on, and as someone who would have a good insight into all 3 teams, if they were to get their act together, train collectively for the next 3 months etc, how do you think they would get on. Mick Magee, Liam Mullan, Rosie Sloan, Ricky Kerr and possibly his cousin Neil Teggart if he was interested would be a very decent forward line.

Ardtole, as stated previously I am not a fan of this venture. However, I will be interested in seeing how it pans out.

I would guess that most of this team would be Kilclief based. Fintan Conway, Ciaran Sloan and Ricky Kerr would be leading the charge amongst others. Mick Magee, Liam Mullan, Stephen Deegans and Neil Taggart would be strong Ardglass additions while Adam King, Nathan Keenan, Aodhan Brady and the two Arnolds would provide the strongest Saul contingent.

On paper this looks all rosy but I would still fancy the cohesion of a seasoned SFC team to come out on top nine times out of ten. However, if the draw was favourable Id say beating the likes of the Tullylish, Warrenpoint, Downpatrick or Loughinisland would not be beyond the realms of possibility.

I firmly believe that the arguments against this venture outweigh the arguments for it. It is experimental and who knows it may start a revolution in terms of our football championships. However, the teams that are in the SFC are there on merit in my opinion and I feel that Ardglass, Saul and Kilclief don't deserve to be there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on May 07, 2011, 07:30:25 PM
why is packie downey off the down panel. In every game so far he has roasted the backs when given a chance. Ask annaclone; banbridge; loughinisland; and six points from play against ballymartin today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on May 08, 2011, 10:23:29 AM
without doubt Downey has a talent in the forward division and to use an old line 'he's hard to hurt' but a six point rerurn from play in the modern game is a good positive statement,perhaps his opposition's team managers thus far might have an opinion-and his and other possibile panelists could come into the picture-after all the door is never ever completely closed!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 08, 2011, 02:40:43 PM
Downey has been about the Down panel but has never made an impact at county level . Its ok to score 6 pts in a club game but you need to be producing it when it counts . He obvivously doesnt do enough at training and when he gets the chance with the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 08, 2011, 04:34:52 PM
ACFL Division 1

Kilcoo 1-9 Saval 1-16

Saval outstanding today where Stephen Kearney gave an brilliant display in midfield scoring 0-5 from play.

Bryansford beat An Riocht by 2 earlier today.
Title: Div 3
Post by: No1 on May 08, 2011, 04:56:28 PM
Carryduff beat Kilclief by 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 08, 2011, 05:37:41 PM
Darragh beat Dundrum handy. More hungry team that wanted it more won, simple as.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 08, 2011, 06:44:19 PM
Bridge beat Ballyholland 0.9 to 0.6. It was rubbish game of football, with lots of regulars missing in both teams, in very windy conditions.

Not much between the sides apart from a five minute spell at the end of the first half when the Bridge knocked over five in a row. The better side did win though; Ballyholland never got any momentum going at all. Partly down to excellent Bridge defending, but I couldn't help feeling that Harps were trying to play Mayobridge rather than play their own game. We looked worn out at the end.

Murphy had another very decent hour for Harps. All of Mayobridge's defence can be happy, and their new recruit from Newtownhamilton looks like a tidy addition to their ranks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 08, 2011, 06:49:53 PM
Mitchels 1.08 Glenn 2.09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 08, 2011, 06:52:03 PM
clonduff beat rostrevor by 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 08, 2011, 07:02:34 PM
Clonduff 2-7 1-7 Rostrevor

Poor game in very windy conditions. Clonduff managed 1-1 into the gale in the first 2 minutes but isn't score again in the half, likewise rostrevor scored only once in 2nd period. Poor performances by both teams, clonduff getting a goal at the end to win it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on May 08, 2011, 08:53:32 PM
Drumaness 2-12 St Pauls 0-6...

Poor enough display from us today in the windiest conditions Ihave played in for manys a year...Drumaness adapted to the gale much better than we did....

Aw Well, onwards and upwards, Aghaderg on Friday at home, lets hope we can get back to winning ways.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 08, 2011, 10:34:21 PM
Regarding the amalgamation for this years sfc, apparently Bredagh and St. Pauls were willing to amalgamate with Carryduff but Carryduff voted against the proposal. Seemingly at the county board meeting it was the junior clubs in general that passed the ask lecale team and apparently we could see more of these amalgamated teams next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 09, 2011, 08:22:06 AM
Ardtole, do you know who proposed this ASK team or where the idea originated?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on May 09, 2011, 09:24:41 AM
this idea was mentioned at county board level about five years ago and knocked back,the proposal was to give the chance to more footballers in the county to play senior c'ship from wjs i believe
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on May 09, 2011, 09:52:32 AM
cant see the logic np76 as young murphy has been recalled and rightly so because of his club displays this far
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 09, 2011, 01:49:20 PM
Quote from: No1 on May 09, 2011, 08:22:06 AM
Ardtole, do you know who proposed this ASK team or where the idea originated?
As far as I know No 1, the push came from the county board itself, with Eddie Harney prompting things from this side, I could be totally wrong though. Most of the players knew little or nothing about it on sat night. On the whole people in Ardglass are positive enough about the whole idea and are willing to give it a good lash. What is the reception to it in kilclief? my gut feeling is it wouldnt be as well received with some of your more hardcore followers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 09, 2011, 03:13:37 PM
Bredagh and Carryduff?  I really can't see that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 09, 2011, 06:12:53 PM
Clann na Banna  1-6 1-9 Warrenpoint 

Things looking tight in Division 2 at the start of the season.

Good away win for the Point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 09, 2011, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: outinfront on May 09, 2011, 03:13:37 PM
Bredagh and Carryduff?  I really can't see that.

Just curious here, but why not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 09, 2011, 09:03:30 PM
About ten years ago it was Co.Board policy to encourage and if possible force small clubs to amalgamate, not on a temporary basis but permanently. I suspect this proposal is a revival of that thinking, with a more subtle strategy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 09, 2011, 09:20:25 PM
If Ardglass and Kilclief can amalgamate, believe me, carryduff and bredagh can amalgamate also. From what I hear there will potentially be a few more of these amalgamations proposed for next years championship. I can understand the dundrum posters arguement that the origional 16 teams have qualified for the sfc and lecale have not and I probably would have been of a similar opinion myself. I remember 2 years ago watching Ardglass v Ballymartin in the Ifc semi-final, and I stayed on to watch the Burren v Kilcoo game and to be honest the gulf in standard was enormous.
How the amalgamated team gets on is anyones guess, nobody expects them to win it but if they get their act together in the next week or so they would be well able to provide a shock or 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on May 10, 2011, 10:23:36 AM
If they are going to amalgamate they would need to do it right, no point players turning up a week before they play Mayobridge and the manager asking everyone there name and what position they play then expecting them to go out and get within 15 points.  In South Kerry or whoever they will be training for months and working on a team with someone like Paidi O'Se as the manager of the players.  I'm all for it, 1/2 the team for both Cork and Kerry are from junior clubs.  If someone playing in corner back for Ballykinlar looked great against Aglisnafin no one would pay any attention.  If they where marking Benny Coulter in a team with Ballykinlar, Dundrum, St Johns, Dromara .. and Benny got 1 score the whole game then he might have a case for someone having another look at him.

County trials when a new manager comes along where a few players are asked to go to a trial are a load of b&llS, players at the trial will stick with there teammates and the whole point of the trial is for a player to look good, not for the team to look good.  A real championship games where the score is level with 5 minutes to go will give a much better indication of what players could step up at senior level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 10, 2011, 02:30:22 PM
@ Square ball:

Ok personal choice I guess - not speaking for all.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John o connor on May 10, 2011, 08:54:00 PM
Don't want to spread any rumours , any one hear any news on m.Clarke tonight ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 10, 2011, 09:16:51 PM
Would know someone quite close to him and haven't heard anything (yet) tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: football-4-life on May 10, 2011, 09:21:41 PM
what did ya hear john?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John o connor on May 10, 2011, 09:47:44 PM
I don't single players out by name if I'm on the board after a game and there's been a lot of nonsense on here already in the build up to the 28th so I'd rather not even give more rumours a chance to build if you guys on here hav nt herd anything that is good enough for me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on May 10, 2011, 10:08:05 PM
tell me what you have heard and i will tell you if its correct or not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 10, 2011, 10:48:24 PM
Its common knowledge Marty flies to Oz the week after the Armagh game to resign for Collingwood. He will then go there full time once Down get knocked out. Is anyone actually surprised?!

Goood luck to the lad! He is a top top quality player annd I hope he is a star again in Aussie Rules.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 10, 2011, 10:59:24 PM
Also injury list is Brendy, D Raff, Gerard McCartan, Conor Garvey, Conor Maginn, Marty Clarke, Rony Murtagh + Benny. Quite a list! Got to be worrying given the closeness of the Armagh game! Hard to just turn up + play if they haven't trained, played in house friendlies etc 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 11, 2011, 01:46:09 PM
Are there a round of fixtures next Friday as normal?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 11, 2011, 02:06:05 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 11, 2011, 01:46:09 PM
Are there a round of fixtures next Friday as normal?

Yes on Friday the 20th supersub and they are completely starred. Handy one for yous supersub  ;)

Longstone v Mayobridge   
Saval v An Riocht 
Bryansford  v Kilcoo 
Rostrevor v Burren 
Ballyholland  v Clonduff 

The following friday, night before the Down game there is no fixture. I also heard last night that this weeks games are now no longer starred and only those players injured dont play. Surely this is going to cause a lot of controversy especially the likes of Ballyholland  for example who face Burren and probably would have a chance if Burrens 7 or 8 were starred?? Its an interesting one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 11, 2011, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 10, 2011, 10:48:24 PM
Its common knowledge Marty flies to Oz the week after the Armagh game to resign for Collingwood. He will then go there full time once Down get knocked out. Is anyone actually surprised?!

Goood luck to the lad! He is a top top quality player annd I hope he is a star again in Aussie Rules.

With the way he is behaving lately - the sooner he goes back to Australia - the better.  We dont need pre madonnas like him swanning around like he owns the place.  Send him packing i say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 11, 2011, 02:57:45 PM
You, my friend, are whats known as a Gabsh!te.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 11, 2011, 02:58:18 PM
Quote from: alba2 on May 11, 2011, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 10, 2011, 10:48:24 PM
Its common knowledge Marty flies to Oz the week after the Armagh game to resign for Collingwood. He will then go there full time once Down get knocked out. Is anyone actually surprised?!

Goood luck to the lad! He is a top top quality player annd I hope he is a star again in Aussie Rules.

With the way he is behaving lately - the sooner he goes back to Australia - the better.  We dont need pre madonnas like him swanning around like he owns the place.  Send him packing i say.

Enlighten us oh knowledgable one  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 11, 2011, 03:11:57 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 11, 2011, 02:06:05 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 11, 2011, 01:46:09 PM
Are there a round of fixtures next Friday as normal?

Yes on Friday the 20th supersub and they are completely starred. Handy one for yous supersub  ;)

Longstone v Mayobridge   
Saval v An Riocht 
Bryansford  v Kilcoo 
Rostrevor v Burren 
Ballyholland  v Clonduff 

The following friday, night before the Down game there is no fixture. I also heard last night that this weeks games are now no longer starred and only those players injured dont play. Surely this is going to cause a lot of controversy especially the likes of Ballyholland  for example who face Burren and probably would have a chance if Burrens 7 or 8 were starred?? Its an interesting one.

Not sure where you heard that....still starred afaik
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 11, 2011, 04:09:33 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 11, 2011, 02:06:05 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 11, 2011, 01:46:09 PM
Are there a round of fixtures next Friday as normal?

Yes on Friday the 20th supersub and they are completely starred. Handy one for yous supersub  ;)

Longstone v Mayobridge   
Saval v An Riocht 
Bryansford  v Kilcoo 
Rostrevor v Burren 
Ballyholland  v Clonduff 

The following friday, night before the Down game there is no fixture. I also heard last night that this weeks games are now no longer starred and only those players injured dont play. Surely this is going to cause a lot of controversy especially the likes of Ballyholland  for example who face Burren and probably would have a chance if Burrens 7 or 8 were starred?? Its an interesting one.

Cheers, thought so, just checking! Aye should be a breeze sure..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 11, 2011, 04:16:14 PM
with ASK lecale who will be managing? will it be one of the three managers or will an outsider be brought in for the short term?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 11, 2011, 06:28:42 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 11, 2011, 02:06:05 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 11, 2011, 01:46:09 PM
Are there a round of fixtures next Friday as normal?

Yes on Friday the 20th supersub and they are completely starred. Handy one for yous supersub  ;)

Longstone v Mayobridge   
Saval v An Riocht 
Bryansford  v Kilcoo 
Rostrevor v Burren 
Ballyholland  v Clonduff 

The following friday, night before the Down game there is no fixture. I also heard last night that this weeks games are now no longer starred and only those players injured dont play. Surely this is going to cause a lot of controversy especially the likes of Ballyholland  for example who face Burren and probably would have a chance if Burrens 7 or 8 were starred?? Its an interesting one.

I would say the way Burren and the harps are playing at min ballyholland would fancy their chances this friday with or without county men.  If they had of believed in themselves a bit more they would have beat the bridge the other night.

Bryansford could also give bridge a bit of a hidden 2night although it seems to a very funny league thus far with only the ford providing any real consistency.  Have watched them a couple of times this year and they have quick impressive forwards with mcginn pulling the strings.  Will be interesting to see how the fare without him for the next few game.  They look like a team with a point to prove though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blueannavy on May 11, 2011, 09:25:35 PM
bridge and brynsford drew 1-06 to 0-09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on May 11, 2011, 10:29:45 PM
Was at ford/bridge game tonight although it was not a classic with both teams missing some big players it was a descent enough encounter. Again the main talking point after the game was the ref unfortunately which is becoming more and more common. From the first minute the decisions were becoming more and more bizarre, the bridge got a goal which was clearly a blatant foul and the ford got an equalising point from a free which begars belief. 2 boys lined as well in a game of very few bad tackles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on May 11, 2011, 11:58:42 PM
Didnt see much wrong with the goal myself to be honest, the keeper caught it, then as he was coming out he got dispossessed, what foul was there? Missed what happened with the red cards, first thing i saw was the both boys on the ground. As for the ref? Hes em, animated, isnt he, cant really tell what the foul is, its good that he explains why its a foulto the player, i.e with his words, but some of thoe hand gestures would leave scrathing you head!  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 12, 2011, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 11, 2011, 02:58:18 PM
Quote from: alba2 on May 11, 2011, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 10, 2011, 10:48:24 PM
Its common knowledge Marty flies to Oz the week after the Armagh game to resign for Collingwood. He will then go there full time once Down get knocked out. Is anyone actually surprised?!

Goood luck to the lad! He is a top top quality player annd I hope he is a star again in Aussie Rules.

With the way he is behaving lately - the sooner he goes back to Australia - the better.  We dont need pre madonnas like him swanning around like he owns the place.  Send him packing i say.

Enlighten us oh knowledgable one  ::)

Drinking flat out when the rest of the panel are on a drink ban... Why should he get away with it - just caus he is Marty clarke?? He obviously has his head set in Australia at the minute with the way he is behaving off the field.  Let him go. He might be a great player and the one that makes the team tick at the minute - but no player is bigger than the team. Down football existed before he came home and will exist when he leaves.. Off ya go n good riddance..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 12, 2011, 11:09:35 AM
Quote from: alba2 on May 12, 2011, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 11, 2011, 02:58:18 PM
Quote from: alba2 on May 11, 2011, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 10, 2011, 10:48:24 PM
Its common knowledge Marty flies to Oz the week after the Armagh game to resign for Collingwood. He will then go there full time once Down get knocked out. Is anyone actually surprised?!

Goood luck to the lad! He is a top top quality player annd I hope he is a star again in Aussie Rules.

With the way he is behaving lately - the sooner he goes back to Australia - the better.  We dont need pre madonnas like him swanning around like he owns the place.  Send him packing i say.

Enlighten us oh knowledgable one  ::)

Drinking flat out when the rest of the panel are on a drink ban... Why should he get away with it - just caus he is Marty clarke?? He obviously has his head set in Australia at the minute with the way he is behaving off the field.  Let him go. He might be a great player and the one that makes the team tick at the minute - but no player is bigger than the team. Down football existed before he came home and will exist when he leaves.. Off ya go n good riddance..

You're a big brave man making anonymous accusations on the internet about a player who can't defend himself....catch yourself on and delete your last remark...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 12, 2011, 11:17:28 AM
Quote from: alba2 on May 11, 2011, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 10, 2011, 10:48:24 PM
Its common knowledge Marty flies to Oz the week after the Armagh game to resign for Collingwood. He will then go there full time once Down get knocked out. Is anyone actually surprised?!

With the way he is behaving lately - the sooner he goes back to Australia - the better.  We dont need pre madonnas like him swanning around like he owns the place.  Send him packing i say.

Drinking flat out when the rest of the panel are on a drink ban... Why should he get away with it - just caus he is Marty clarke?? He obviously has his head set in Australia at the minute with the way he is behaving off the field.  Let him go. He might be a great player and the one that makes the team tick at the minute - but no player is bigger than the team. Down football existed before he came home and will exist when he leaves.. Off ya go n good riddance..

You know what, so what if he is, big deal. Drink bans are to prevent players from being unable to train properly due to hangovers and the other effects of booze. Do you seriously think for a second that Marty Clarke will step onto the Athletic Grounds turf anthing less than 100% fit?

So long as he is fully fit and doesn't drink for at least a week before the match then any additional abstinence would have no additional benefit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 12, 2011, 11:22:59 AM
So out of touch with reality are a few GAA followers, that unless Marty hits 1.10 in every game, then he is an overrated and uncommitted failure.

The fact that he was the single most important part of Down's rise from no-hopers to serious All-Ireland contenders last season, just doesn't seem to wash with them. They expect 70 minutes of constant motion and flawlessness. Their warped brains tell them that's what the best players do every week.

Go back to soccer you loons; where you can sell him and get Torres in instead. And then you can restart your circle.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 12, 2011, 01:12:18 PM
This forum used to be a good one. Now it goes from bad to worse
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 12, 2011, 01:22:29 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 12, 2011, 11:22:59 AM
So out of touch with reality are a few GAA followers, that unless Marty hits 1.10 in every game, then he is an overrated and uncommitted failure.

The fact that he was the single most important part of Down's rise from no-hopers to serious All-Ireland contenders last season, just doesn't seem to wash with them. They expect 70 minutes of constant motion and flawlessness. Their warped brains tell them that's what the best players do every week.

Go back to soccer you loons; where you can sell him and get Torres in instead. And then you can restart your circle.



Not in any way trying to defend what has been said but dont think he is having a go at previous performances or how important marty is to the team moreover his current committment to the team.

Some of the comments made were way over the top and this isnt really the place to be posting any rumour about possible drinking thats going on by some players.

However I do disagree with the point made that so what if one of the players is drinking. Its not only the physical fitness issue, if the team made a collective committment to be on a drink ban then no player is bigger than this and it would be disappointing to hear if it wasnt adheared to.  I remember hearing about similar rumours about some of our bigger players during POR era and it did appear to have an effect on team morale.

Its all hearsay though and i would hope none of it is actually true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 12, 2011, 01:28:03 PM
Im not talking about his physical conditioning - its the fact that he can go drinking when the others are adhering to the ban - thats not on.  And no i wont delete my last remark - this is a disscussion board where you are allowed to express your opinions.  He is a class player and one you would def pay money to watch - but why show disrespect to those around you by breaking their stance on drinking... And it was a players decision - not managements - to start the ban..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 12, 2011, 01:34:51 PM
There have been some wayward remarks made over the last while by some of the newer posters on the board. Yes it is a discussion forum but like everything else, use it in moderation. Accusations like the ones put forward and the phrasing used (ie. 'Flat out') are very disrespectful to the persons concerned. Maybe there has been some of this going on, but I don't think there is any need for a scathing attack on argubly our best player from an un named cyber poster so close to a major fixture. Do you think what is written on the board stays on the board? News travels fast, especially where high profile players are concerned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 12, 2011, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 12, 2011, 01:34:51 PM
There have been some wayward remarks made over the last while by some of the newer posters on the board. Yes it is a discussion forum but like everything else, use it in moderation. Accusations like the ones put forward and the phrasing used (ie. 'Flat out') are very disrespectful to the persons concerned. Maybe there has been some of this going on, but I don't think there is any need for a scathing attack on argubly our best player from an un named cyber poster so close to a major fixture. Do you think what is written on the board stays on the board? News travels fast, especially where high profile players are concerned.

Well maybe it will make him sit up and take notice.. And the term flat out is used in context this time... And newer posters have as much right as ye elder statemen...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on May 12, 2011, 02:34:07 PM
Seen marty approx 3 weeks ago - sipping over a pint. I probably had four in the time he had one - maybe I drink too fast :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 12, 2011, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: alba2 on May 12, 2011, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 12, 2011, 01:34:51 PM
There have been some wayward remarks made over the last while by some of the newer posters on the board. Yes it is a discussion forum but like everything else, use it in moderation. Accusations like the ones put forward and the phrasing used (ie. 'Flat out') are very disrespectful to the persons concerned. Maybe there has been some of this going on, but I don't think there is any need for a scathing attack on argubly our best player from an un named cyber poster so close to a major fixture. Do you think what is written on the board stays on the board? News travels fast, especially where high profile players are concerned.

Well maybe it will make him sit up and take notice.. And the term flat out is used in context this time... And newer posters have as much right as ye elder statemen...

Flat out meaning what?

I know they do, just saying that just because it's a discussion board doesn't mean anything can be thrown about!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Class of 99 on May 12, 2011, 05:09:56 PM
Back to football lads what's the latest injury update???
Is it as bad as Goldenyears suggests
Title: ASK Lecale
Post by: No1 on May 12, 2011, 05:35:35 PM
 
QuoteAs far as I know No 1, the push came from the county board itself, with Eddie Harney prompting things from this side, I could be totally wrong though. Most of the players knew little or nothing about it on sat night. On the whole people in Ardglass are positive enough about the whole idea and are willing to give it a good lash. What is the reception to it in kilclief? my gut feeling is it wouldnt be as well received with some of your more hardcore followers.
Couple of the players I spoke to were happy enough to go along with it but I wouldn't say they were exactly chomping at the bit to get at it.  Getting Kilclief back into Division 2 is what it's about for them. F**k knows what way training and managing will work?

Personally, I wouldn't agree with it. Sure how could you share a changing room with boys who stink of fish all the time?   ;D

As for our hardcore, yiz have plenty of your own to be worrying about.  Is Ellie still barred from Arsehole Ardtole Memorial Park?   ;)
Title: Re: 2011 Predictions
Post by: johnneycool on May 13, 2011, 02:09:02 PM
Lads, is there a road from Hilltown, right into Warrenpoint? I'm being told to take the left exit of the roundabout in the middle of the town and that'll take you into Warrenpoint.

Is this right and is it the quickest way coming from the Castlewellan direction?

Title: Re: 2011 Predictions
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 13, 2011, 02:13:16 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 13, 2011, 02:09:02 PM
Lads, is there a road from Hilltown, right into Warrenpoint? I'm being told to take the left exit of the roundabout in the middle of the town and that'll take you into Warrenpoint.

Is this right and is it the quickest way coming from the Castlewellan direction?

Yeah there is a straight road. When entering Hilltown coming from Castlewellan take a left exit at the top of the town ajacent the Clonduff Bar (Lowrys). There is no roundabout. This road will take you over the mountains (Ried Hall) and into Rostrenor. The point is only another couple of miles outside Rostrevor on the same main road.
Title: Re: 2011 Predictions
Post by: amallon on May 13, 2011, 04:05:09 PM
Bryansford
Castlewellan
Tullylish
Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on May 13, 2011, 09:01:52 PM
Rgu and Castlewellan drew 2nite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 13, 2011, 09:15:55 PM
ACFL Division 3
Dundrum 1-09  Bosco 0-14

Less said the better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 13, 2011, 09:23:13 PM
ACFL Division 1

Kilcoo 2-11 Clonduff 1-9

Superb result for us tonight against a poor Clonduff team. Considering we where missing 7 starting players it will give the management great confidence especially after Sundays poor showing. Anthony Devlin and Gary McEvoy led our youngsters superbly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 13, 2011, 09:26:21 PM
Division 1

An Riocht 0-10 Rostrevor 0-10
Saval 1-15 Longstone 0-9
Burren 2-9 Ballyholland 0-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 13, 2011, 09:28:02 PM
Carryduff beat Tullylish to end the latter's unbeaten record in Division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on May 14, 2011, 01:19:36 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 13, 2011, 09:15:55 PM
ACFL Division 3
Dundrum 1-09  Bosco 0-14

Less said the better.
Why Downfanatic what happened?  poor showing or what? was McComisky playing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 14, 2011, 03:15:44 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on May 14, 2011, 01:19:36 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 13, 2011, 09:15:55 PM
ACFL Division 3
Dundrum 1-09  Bosco 0-14

Less said the better.
Why Downfanatic what happened?  poor showing or what? was McComisky playing

Just a really bad game of poor quality football. McComiskey played and done rightly. Ended up with 1-06 of our 1-09.
Title: Re: ASK Lecale
Post by: ardtole on May 14, 2011, 10:35:25 PM
Quote from: No1 on May 12, 2011, 05:35:35 PM
QuoteAs far as I know No 1, the push came from the county board itself, with Eddie Harney prompting things from this side, I could be totally wrong though. Most of the players knew little or nothing about it on sat night. On the whole people in Ardglass are positive enough about the whole idea and are willing to give it a good lash. What is the reception to it in kilclief? my gut feeling is it wouldnt be as well received with some of your more hardcore followers.
Couple of the players I spoke to were happy enough to go along with it but I wouldn't say they were exactly chomping at the bit to get at it.  Getting Kilclief back into Division 2 is what it's about for them. F**k knows what way training and managing will work?

Personally, I wouldn't agree with it. Sure how could you share a changing room with boys who stink of fish all the time?   ;D

As for our hardcore, yiz have plenty of your own to be worrying about.  Is Ellie still barred from Arsehole Ardtole Memorial Park?   ;)
I wouldnt have been 100% behind it myself no1. But can you tell me when is the last time a player from our region started a sfc game for Down(bar dpk) . I would love to see Ardglass compete at sfc on their  own but its not likely to happen in the near future. I saw at 1st hand how proud Kilclief men were when Ricky Kerr won his all ireland minor medal and similary Ardglass people were proud to see Mick Magee play in an all Ireland U21 final. But these are few and far isolated incidents.
Kilclief have to amalgamate with Bright at underage level and they still operate in the bottom east down divisions. Ardglass have  no u-16 team this year due to lack of numbers. So what does the future hold?.
I was as suprised as you to hear about the amalgamation this year, but if it helps the better players in our clubs get exposure to county football then I think we should support it. we both know there are players from both clubs who over the past 20 years  if they were playing at a higher level were capable of playing county football. It gives me no pleasure to say it but at present there is an apathy towards gaa games in east down and definitly in ardglass, and if this experiment raises the profile of football in our area I will support it. I am looking forward to watching Rosie and Stevie Deegans compete against the elite in Down and show the juveniles in our clubs that we have players they can look up to.
As for sharing the changing room with fishermen there have been quite a few underage players transferring from kilclief to ardglass in the last few years and none that I know of going the other way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 15, 2011, 11:22:57 AM
Another big game today for the senior team... This will be the final challenge game before the championship - lets hope Limerick give us a good test.  What pitch is the game on in Dublin???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 15, 2011, 11:36:52 AM
games in navan at 1pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 15, 2011, 11:40:22 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 15, 2011, 11:36:52 AM
games in navan at 1pm

cheers.. is it behind closed doors or can ya attend???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on May 15, 2011, 11:45:06 AM
Anyone seen or got pictures of the new jersey?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on May 15, 2011, 09:07:39 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on May 15, 2011, 11:45:06 AM
Anyone seen or got pictures of the new jersey?

New jersey?????? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 15, 2011, 10:31:00 PM
New jersey launch on Thursday . Very similar to the Dublin one plain red jersey with 3 black stripes on the arms
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 15, 2011, 10:37:10 PM
Sent reply before i finished . Says An Dun on the back and the website address on the collar stripes are sown on the arms .The red seems to fade heading towards the shorts cant be certain but it looks that way
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on May 15, 2011, 10:39:52 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on May 15, 2011, 10:37:10 PM
Sent reply before i finished . Says An Dun on the back and the website address on the collar stripes are sown on the arms .The red seems to fade heading towards the shorts cant be certain but it looks that way

Are you able to put a picture of it up or do you know a link to see it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 15, 2011, 10:42:35 PM
Any word who won the game today v Limerick??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 15, 2011, 10:55:31 PM
are you able to put a picture of it up or do you know a link to see it?
John Martin a friend of mine bought a set of jerseys on friday and saw a picture of it . They printed it out for him and i saw it from him dont know any links this is how i came across seeing it]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on May 15, 2011, 11:30:34 PM
Good stuff. I never heard tell of a new jersey, have I had my head in the sand? Sounds good fro mthe way you describe it though. Almost similar to the Ladies jersey last year in my head.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on May 16, 2011, 10:06:13 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on May 15, 2011, 10:55:31 PM
are you able to put a picture of it up or do you know a link to see it?
John Martin a friend of mine bought a set of jerseys on friday and saw a picture of it . They printed it out for him and i saw it from him dont know any links this is how i came across seeing it]

No bother NP. I'll see it soon enough.
They are leaving it fairly close to the Armagh game to release this jersey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 16, 2011, 11:13:17 AM
The road between Markethill and Armagh is closed for traffic heading to Armagh at the minute.  Anyone know a good back road?  I think its open heading towards Newry so coming home shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 16, 2011, 12:54:08 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 16, 2011, 11:13:17 AM
The road between Markethill and Armagh is closed for traffic heading to Armagh at the minute.  Anyone know a good back road?  I think its open heading towards Newry so coming home shouldn't be a problem.

you can take a right on the armagh rd just after gosford park for hamiltonsbawn, only four mile from there then into armagh, or if the road is closed before there take a right for tandragee, head about three miles then take left for hamiltonsbawn, this will take u onto the main tandragee armagh road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 16, 2011, 02:57:04 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on May 15, 2011, 10:55:31 PM
are you able to put a picture of it up or do you know a link to see it?
John Martin a friend of mine bought a set of jerseys on friday and saw a picture of it . They printed it out for him and i saw it from him dont know any links this is how i came across seeing it]

I hope it doesnt fade off at the end that would turn to pink/
Are Canal Court still the sponsor?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 16, 2011, 08:57:53 PM
yes canal court still the sponsor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on May 17, 2011, 09:10:27 AM
picture of it in todays irish news
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on May 17, 2011, 10:09:45 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on May 17, 2011, 09:10:27 AM
picture of it in todays irish news

Can anyone post a link?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 17, 2011, 10:17:44 AM
President of Rostrevor GAA club died early yesterday morning.
Jim Curren RIP

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 17, 2011, 10:29:55 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on May 17, 2011, 09:10:27 AM
picture of it in todays irish news

Poor enough picture but from what I can see there's not a big pile of difference between it and the last one....no black sleeves on this one....sorry can't post a pic...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Agent Orange on May 17, 2011, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on May 17, 2011, 10:09:45 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on May 17, 2011, 09:10:27 AM
picture of it in todays irish news

Can anyone post a link?

(http://i56.tinypic.com/k9gnex.jpg)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 17, 2011, 04:36:11 PM
I like it. But too many colours on the front. Would prefer the GAA logo not to be white and there's no need for the Canal court logo to be included along with the name. The whole sponsor logo is too big for my liking. I do like the more or less all red shirt with the black trim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 17, 2011, 05:37:34 PM
Looks like Martys gonna be deployed in a new position this year given his shirt number..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 17, 2011, 08:59:43 PM
looks a bit sh1t going by that picture,couple of shades of red, but will hold judgemnet until i see it properly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 17, 2011, 10:29:16 PM
With regards the amalgamation argument...

IMO Premier Reserve 1 is probably about equal to Division 3. It is very unlikely a county standard player will not stand out significantly in Div 3, so throwing teams together for the championship is unlikely to work... I think.


Perhaps it is worth considering combining all teams into one league structure, across 6 or 7 divisions, rather than splitting reserves from 1sts; with more teams involved (1sts, 2nds and potentially 3rds), it should be easier for clubs to find their "level" in 6 or 7 divisions rather than 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 17, 2011, 11:43:08 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on May 17, 2011, 10:29:16 PM
With regards the amalgamation argument...

IMO Premier Reserve 1 is probably about equal to Division 3. It is very unlikely a county standard player will not stand out significantly in Div 3, so throwing teams together for the championship is unlikely to work... I think.


Perhaps it is worth considering combining all teams into one league structure, across 6 or 7 divisions, rather than splitting reserves from 1sts; with more teams involved (1sts, 2nds and potentially 3rds), it should be easier for clubs to find their "level" in 6 or 7 divisions rather than 4.

There is a lot of merit in that suggestion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 18, 2011, 01:11:01 PM
Restructured like Antrim leagues?

Leagues have just been restructured so I can't see that happening soon. ACPR1 may be division 3 standard but would you not say ACPR2 is better than most of Division 4 standard?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 18, 2011, 01:48:05 PM
For league structures, I'd suggest along the lines of:

Division 1: 10 teams
Division 2: 12 teams

Then

Division 3 (Mussen Section): 10 teams
Division 3 (Doherty Section): 10 teams


Division 1 should be kept as lean as possible to ensure the highest quality of games at this level. Division 2 needs to stay a little bigger to allow more players to play at a regularly higher level of football than what Division 3 would offer.

The two-up, two-down approach would stay the same between these leagues.

Division 3 would have two sections, and there would be a changeable number of teams as and when teams are created, amalgamated, reinstated, closed. But based on recent evidence, this is steady enough at around 20 teams in total, divided equally in two (or as close as possible).

The Division would not be geographically split by the traditional East Down / South Down lines, but geographically split by proximity, and would be re-assessed each season to minimise travel times for each club. So although St John's, for example, could be in the Mussen Section for three years and play mostly Mourne/South Down teams during that time, if a couple more teams from Belfast or the Ards were to end up in Division 3, they could find themselves moved the next year to the Doherty section, and travelling north the whole time.

At the end of each year, the top two in each Division 3 section would play off in a round-robin league, with the top two in that mini-league switching places with the bottom two of Division 2.

I favour this split approach to Division 3 as it does a few things to help the game:

1. It gives every footballer in the county the chance to be playing Division 2 football, at the start of the following season. For most players, this a great level to aim towards.
2. It gives all Division 3 players a chance to play against good and very good sides at that level, which should help standards improve for the lower teams, and also give each of the better teams a series of crackerjack fixtures.
3. It adds to the number of lcoal derbies, which always generates local interest, passion and pride.
4. It means the number of awkward, long away journeys are reduced for the teams that struggle to find dedicated players - which tend to be those clubs towards the bottom of the tree. This can only help playing numbers, and improve team spirits.


I'd also bring this approach into ACPRL football, where I've found the requirement to traverse County Down on summertime Sunday afternoons to be the single biggest repellent to Ballyholland (and nearly every other club) being able to field consistent teams. 

We do want to keep the ACPRL standard high, so it should remain as two sections of 10, and split along geographical lines. The bottom two in each section should be replaced by the top two in the SDRFL and EDRFL each year, and the top two in each section should again form a round-robin mini-league to determine the outright winner.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on May 18, 2011, 08:29:58 PM
could anyone tell me when championship draws are been done and when the first round of reserve championship is
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 19, 2011, 01:24:22 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on April 29, 2011, 12:06:09 PM
Jody Gormley and Longstone have parted company after last nights defeat.

Have they replaced him or is John Poland permanent?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 19, 2011, 07:41:42 PM
Not long back from the launch of the new jersey good crowd there . There was 4 players Martin Clarke John Clarke Danny Hughes Ambrose Rodgers and James Mc Cartan . Tea and sandwiches served by Courtneys . Nice jersey hope we get plenty of days to wear it over the coming months into September
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 20, 2011, 05:42:44 AM
Just watched the launch online, Seamus mentioned the possibility of streaming games online? Anyone know if this is a possibility? Would be a great step forward if possible and surely another generator of funds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 20, 2011, 09:04:28 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 18, 2011, 01:48:05 PM

We do want to keep the ACPRL standard high, so it should remain as two sections of 10, and split along geographical lines. The bottom two in each section should be replaced by the top two in the SDRFL and EDRFL each year, and the top two in each section should again form a round-robin mini-league to determine the outright winner.

Just looking at this aspect of your post Wobbler. So what your actually saying effectively is there should be a Premier Division added to the SDRFL and the same in EDRFL. Then playoffs for the title?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 20, 2011, 01:25:31 PM
Not so much PaulD.

There should be two sections of 10 to the ACPRL, rather than divisions. The purpose of the split is reducing travelling times rather than signifying one is a higher standard than the other.

The top two in each section would come together at the end of the year for a mini-league, to decide trhe outright ACPRL champion.

I think the current standard of ACPRL football is pretty high, but it can only get higher by reducing the travel requirements involved. For example, there really is no need for us to travel to Belfast to play seconds football. Doing so takes 5 hours out of your day and it just puts off younger fellas who haven't quite got the necessary GAA dedication yet, and convinces retirement for older fellas who have real commitments beyond playing football. It's worse again for those on the fringes of the senior team; Friday night can mean a five hour effort, and Sunday can mean the same again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 20, 2011, 04:54:27 PM
one week away from the big game.... Anyone willing to hazard a guess at the lineup??

there will be obvious ones in the team

here is my guess

1. B Mc Veigh - best keeper in Ireland and his all star was well deserved - one more all star than Hearty has
2. D MC Cartan - prob mark Armagh s third forward - M O Rourke - worth his place in the team and would walk onto the     armagh team week in week out..Has his critics - but still a decent marker
3. D Gordon - Prob pick up Mc Donnell - absolutely skint him in the league fixture this year. Another performance like that will do nicely big dan - Mc Donnell - gr8 player - but totally past it.
4. G Mc Cartan - Prob the quickest player in the panel at the minute so will be assigned Jamie Clarke. Gerard should be fit to handle him tho as he has the strength that Jamie clearly lacks.  Gerard will match him for speed and thats all clarke has going for him.
5. D Rooney - Fantastic player both at club level and esp county level - can pick up any of the armagh half forwards because none of them can score - Decky will tr**p up the field and hit a few himself..
6. K Mc Kernan - Best centre half back in the country.  An Absolute disgrace he didnt get an all star last season.  Mr Consistent for Down over the last couple of seasons and lets his football do the talking.  He will pick up Watters/O'Rourke/BJ Padden with ease and destroy one or all of them.  Passing ability is unbelievable.
7. C Garvey - Great player and very capable of kicking scores during games.  A great manamarker and will probably move onto anyone who is causing danger like he did in AIF last year.  Altho the half forward line of Armagh wont caus too many sleepless nights.  Garvey marks harder men at his club sessions!!!
8. P Fitzpatrick - Great athlete and brilliant going forward.  Gr8 aerial ability and should command this area for the game.  His partnership with king is improving and they compliment each other well.  Should have too much for Vernon and thats who is likely to be picking him up.  Vernon blows hot and cold - but is freezing more often than luke warm...
9. K King - a brut in the middle.  he covers defensively very well and has a good understanding with Mc Kernan allowing him to drop off when he needs to .. Will have way too much class for Toner.  Toner looks the part but obviously concentrates on the mirror more than on the football.  King has improved something serious..
10. D Hughes Best wing half forward in the game at present.  Danny will run amock next saturday.  Armagh have noone to handle him...
11. M Poland A gem of a player and if that dog Mc Keever aint on him - Armagh have noone else fit to cope with his football brain.  great passer of the ball on both sides and will pull the strings for the down team.
12. C Maginn A real workhorse for the team.  Maginn is a class apart at tracking into defence and spraying passes all over the pitch. Armagh will probably leave him free as they will need to cover thier leaky defence at all angles.
13. M ClarkeWhat can be said.  maybe has fallen by the wayside in recent times but on his day is unmarkable.  He will probably get marked by Moriariarty and will skin him.  Marty needs to step up for about 25 mins in this game and we will win comfortably.
14. Benny He has it all and  no Armagh defender will want to see him coming near them.  Benny will probably score 2:2 and then when job is done come off and unleash Mc Cartan. 
15. P Mc Comiskey Fast,  fluent, gr8 passer, can score on the big day - he has it all.  his pace will trouble Armagh all day and andy mallon - great player - will have nightmares marking him.  Mallon has alot of miles on the clock so Mc Comiskey should burn him up. 

Subs to follow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on May 20, 2011, 05:19:21 PM
That was quite entertaining Alba!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 20, 2011, 06:19:16 PM
going on alba's take on the team, an ulster and all ireland title are in the bag. not one weakness!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on May 20, 2011, 07:09:25 PM
Think Alba's team is exactly the team James will pick if they're all fit- Maybe Paul Murphy in if Garvey doesn't make it. However, if Mc Keever doesn't mark Marty then I'm a Dutchman or an Orangeman.
There are plenty of weaknesses but Alba is cute enough not to share them with Armagh wans.
Any word of the deal for Season Ticket Holders ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 20, 2011, 09:25:15 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on May 20, 2011, 07:09:25 PM
Think Alba's team is exactly the team James will pick if they're all fit- Maybe Paul Murphy in if Garvey doesn't make it. However, if Mc Keever doesn't mark Marty then I'm a Dutchman or an Orangeman.
There are plenty of weaknesses but Alba is cute enough not to share them with Armagh wans.
Any word of the deal for Season Ticket Holders ?

If not Murphy then maybe Kevin Duffin who has been getting game time of late and is going well... Why talk about weaknesses lads - lets be positive - we got to an all ireland fianl last year - this year i want the county to go one step further - we wont do that by nit picking weaknesses.  There is no one in Armagh good enough to make the down team - Mc Donnell on his day would have  - but what other one would... You could argue Jamie Clarke - but who do ya drop - he is a finisher but not a worker - he dont track back nor tackle - prob thinks thats beneath him.  He would be a useful number 18 or 19 though... But there are no other Armagh players good enough for our team.  The tide has turned and they are beneath us again in terms of football - we will prove that next weekend with a performance thats a joy to watch...
Title: Div 3
Post by: No1 on May 20, 2011, 09:31:58 PM
Kilclief 2-19   Ardglass 1-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 20, 2011, 09:33:50 PM
But what if Armagh turn round and beat us, then the all singing all dancing Down team ye just named wont look so good.
You're either a complete WUM or extremely dellusional.
Also have a bit of respect for your opponents, dont have to like em or anything but a bit of respect wouldnt go amiss. Jamie Clarke is a quality player and he isnt the only one on that Armagh squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 20, 2011, 09:39:14 PM
Division 3
Dundrum 1-09  Tullylish 1-17

We were 12 points down at the break but came back well in the 2nd half but the Lish always had something in reserve. Peter Quinn topscored with 1-09 for them.

The game was excellently refereed by Mark Davy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 20, 2011, 10:12:00 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 20, 2011, 09:33:50 PM
But what if Armagh turn round and beat us, then the all singing all dancing Down team ye just named wont look so good.
You're either a complete WUM or extremely dellusional.
Also have a bit of respect for your opponents, dont have to like em or anything but a bit of respect wouldnt go amiss. Jamie Clarke is a quality player and he isnt the only one on that Armagh squad.

What if - what if - blah blah blah... they wont beat us caus they cant beat us... Last few times we have played them we have stuffed them - even tho the score board has said one or two points - it has been a stuffing. Respect - oh i will give them respect alright.  The same respect they gave us in 99 when they obliterated us in an ulster final, the same respect they gave us in |Casement park at the start of the milleniumm the same respect they gave us when they won their only sam maguire and thought the world started in 2002 and everything we had done before didnt exist.  Dont talk s*** to me about respect for them - WHEN we beat them - i will respectfully open the back door and watch them sail through it... Yes Jamie is a good player and id didnt say otherwise - but i did say who would ya drop for him in the down lineup.  He is a finisher and doesnt work - every man and his dog knows that...  Who are all these other quality players in the squad??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 20, 2011, 10:14:29 PM
To put it simply i think you're full of shit and an idiot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 20, 2011, 10:16:26 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 20, 2011, 10:14:29 PM
To put it simply i think you're full of shit and an idiot.

Ditto - ya prat..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 20, 2011, 10:22:43 PM
"last few times we have stuffed them" alba. did they not beat us in the mckenna cup this year and last years league final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 20, 2011, 10:22:53 PM
Wed May 18th (7 30)
ACFL Div 4
Dromara 1 06  St Pauls 1 13


Fri May 20th (7 30)
ACFL Div 1
Longstone 0 12 Mayobridge 1 09
Saval 3 12 An Riocht 1 10
Bryansford 0 09 Kilcoo 2 07
Ballyholland 2 09 Clonduff 2 10
Rostrevor 2 12  Burren 1 10

ACFL Div 2
Clann na Banna 2 12 Ballymartin 1 10
Annaclone 1 05 Downpatrick1 10
Loughinisland 1 11 Warrenpoint 1 09
Drumgath 0 09 Castlewellan 2 13

ACFL Div 3
Atticall 2 07 Glasdrumman 2 08
Mitchels 0 11 Darragh Cross 1 15
Dundrum 1 09 Tullylish 1 17
Ardglass 1 06 Kilclief 2 18

ACFL Div 4
Bright 2 08 Teconnaught 1 08
Drumaness 1 18 St Micheals 2 04
Aghaderg 0 18  Ballykinlar 1 09
Bredagh 6 21  Aughlisnafinn 1 05
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 20, 2011, 10:29:35 PM
Ballyholland 2- 09 Clonduff 2- 10 Ballyholland played none until the last 15 mins and should of drew this game with a free at the end . Arthur Mc Conville ran the show for Clonduff at midfield and was helped well by Henry Brown . Jason Browns free taking was impressive scored a great free from the rhs of the field off the ground and one which no word of a lie was near the half way line of the ground also with ease
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 20, 2011, 11:05:09 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 20, 2011, 10:22:43 PM
"last few times we have stuffed them" alba. did they not beat us in the mckenna cup this year and last years league final?

Mc Kenna cup - are you serious.. they beat us by point caus we took marty off with 15 mins left and it let them back into it... couple of changes from the team now to last years league final - we are much much stronger than that time last year.. Yeah they won it - they had experience of croke park in their ranks and we had none - but as year progressed we got used to our second home.. but last two league games - we have owned them.. and will again next weekend..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on May 20, 2011, 11:23:52 PM
Saval 3-13 Kingdom 1-10
Kingdom well beat, the more starred games there is the more the kingdom will struggle

Alba2, you sound like a child!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on May 21, 2011, 09:38:58 AM
Quote from: alba2 on May 20, 2011, 10:12:00 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 20, 2011, 09:33:50 PM
But what if Armagh turn round and beat us, then the all singing all dancing Down team ye just named wont look so good.
You're either a complete WUM or extremely dellusional.
Also have a bit of respect for your opponents, dont have to like em or anything but a bit of respect wouldnt go amiss. Jamie Clarke is a quality player and he isnt the only one on that Armagh squad.

What if - what if - blah blah blah... they wont beat us caus they cant beat us... Last few times we have played them we have stuffed them - even tho the score board has said one or two points - it has been a stuffing. Respect - oh i will give them respect alright.  The same respect they gave us in 99 when they obliterated us in an ulster final, the same respect they gave us in |Casement park at the start of the milleniumm the same respect they gave us when they won their only sam maguire and thought the world started in 2002 and everything we had done before didnt exist.  Dont talk s*** to me about respect for them - WHEN we beat them - i will respectfully open the back door and watch them sail through it... Yes Jamie is a good player and id didnt say otherwise - but i did say who would ya drop for him in the down lineup.  He is a finisher and doesnt work - every man and his dog knows that...  Who are all these other quality players in the squad??

Thank God for the Champions league final, as the Athletic Grounds should be void of arseholes like Alba2.

Armagh have one of the best defences in Ireland, a midfield that on its day can compete with anyone, any number of half forwrds with bags of potential that will click one day and in Clarke and McDonnell a deadly inside duo. Throw in an underdogs tag and the fact that they spent most of last summer enviously looking on at our run to the AI final, they will be up for this one and are my dark horse for this summer.

Armagh will fancy themselves in their own back yard lets hope Down are ready.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 21, 2011, 02:08:46 PM
This is the first time that this down team goes into a championship game carrying the favourite tag, how they react to this situation is unknown. I am not as confident as most down supporters about the game next week, I believe we are good enough to win but Armagh are not the mugs a lot of people seem to think they are. We seem to have a few players carrying niggling injuries or just coming back from injury which is not ideal, im looking forward to this game and am predicting Down by the skin of their teeth.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 21, 2011, 02:34:13 PM
Rostrevor 2-12 Burren 1-10

Good win for the reds although obviously Burren were without their county contingent. Turned a bit nasty towards the end with two being sent off one from each team, in truth a few more should have walked but the referee would have had his work cut out to identify specific culprits in the brawl at the end of the game. It was a pity the game ended the way it did as it hadn't been a dirty match up until the closing few minutes. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 21, 2011, 04:42:33 PM


Thank God for the Champions league final, as the Athletic Grounds should be void of arseholes like Alba2.

Armagh have one of the best defences in Ireland, a midfield that on its day can compete with anyone, any number of half forwrds with bags of potential that will click one day and in Clarke and McDonnell a deadly inside duo. Throw in an underdogs tag and the fact that they spent most of last summer enviously looking on at our run to the AI final, they will be up for this one and are my dark horse for this summer.

Armagh will fancy themselves in their own back yard lets hope Down are ready.
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Best defences in Ireland - Mc Keever aside - and he is a dirty p***k - who else have they. Andy Mallon is done, Donaghy is good on his day - but cant cope with coulter, Moriarty is clean useless and wouldnt make the kelkenny football team, Duffy is too small and doesnt mark his man, Dyas is not the player he showed at minor - Aaron Kernan is decent going forward - but again he aint a defender - its been said for years now by pundits and the stats are there to back it up...
Their Midfield can be decent i will give ya that - where are these half forwards you are talkinga bout - Mal Mackin is anothere kilkenny case, Billy Joe Padden is finished otherwise Mayo would have moved mountains to keep him, Grugan shoowed glimpses in the mc kenna cup but has disapeared into the mist since then, tony Kernan isa  runner not a footballer, he cnt cope with the physical stuff and hides in to many games, Vernon is a big girls blouse - hate physicality for the size of him and dont score enough, Michael O Rourke is too small, Watters cant cope on the big day.  In the paper the other day they said armagh played David Mc Kenna at full forward in a recent challenge game - how desperate are they.  Or is this just so he can hide because like jamie he dont work.  Jamie is class at finishing and so is stevie - but wont work for the team.

Underdogs - its about time they were caus they are wayyyy off the mark.  How you can tip them to have a big summer is beyond me. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 21, 2011, 06:01:31 PM
alba  cant understand your analysist of both teams at all making us out to be world beaters and making it sound that Armagh are the same sort of standard as Kilkenny really baffles me . you make it sound like none of our players have any faults . I have attended every game and know that there is plenty of faults and hope that James and co have been working on them over this last few weeks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on May 21, 2011, 07:42:11 PM
I OF COURSE DOWN CAN WIN BUT THERE ARE FRAGILITITES AND RAFFERTY NOT PLAYING WOULD BE A DISADVANTAGE IN DE3FENCE,BUT TO PLAY LAVERTY FROM KILCOO IN THE FORWARD LINE FROM THE START WOULDNT BE BENEFICAL AT CHAMPONSHIP PACE-MORE TO COME
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 21, 2011, 08:25:26 PM
Ardglass were well beat by a strong and experienced Kilclief team last night. However we had nine players u21 starting and it will take them a while to find their feet at this level. We have a few lads to come back into the team and avoiding relegation would be our priority at this stage of the year.
Rosie Sloan was outstanding last night probably one of the best preformances iv seen in div 3 for a few years. He controlled the game from start to finish, picked the right option all the time and some of his passing was top drawer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on May 21, 2011, 08:51:15 PM
Quote from: ardtole on May 21, 2011, 08:25:26 PM
Ardglass were well beat by a strong and experienced Kilclief team last night. However we had nine players u21 starting and it will take them a while to find their feet at this level. We have a few lads to come back into the team and avoiding relegation would be our priority at this stage of the year.
Rosie Sloan was outstanding last night probably one of the best preformances iv seen in div 3 for a few years. He controlled the game from start to finish, picked the right option all the time and some of his passing was top drawer.

good player. Is he still playing in midfield?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 21, 2011, 08:57:05 PM
He played midfield last night alrite, I thought he mostly played chf but I could be wrong I only see Kilclief play occassionally.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on May 23, 2011, 09:59:31 AM

Have to say i agree with Alba2 on his selection of our county team and what he says about the armagh players.  I have total respect for armagh and what they have done in football terms over the last ten years - but this currect crop of players simply are not good enough.  If we are being realistic - how many armagh players would get into the Cork team at the minute?? Probably Stevie Mc Donnald and maybe Jamie Clarke - if he bulked up a bit. Whereas from down - Dan Gordon could slot in anywhere for them, Kevin Mc Kernan would replace canty the player who stole his all star last year,  King would play in midfield as a defensive foil for Walsh, Marty, Benny, Danny Hughes would all feature in their forward line.. Armagh - like many other teams were on top for a long period - but their time has come to an end and the calibre of player in their panel now is poor.  From watching their national league performances esp in newry for the second year They have no desire, hunger or trust in each other the way the armagh of old had.  I honestly believe we will win and win easily on saturday evenin.  AN DUN ABU
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 23, 2011, 10:13:57 AM
At last someone with a bit of sense on the board.  I firmy believe we will win on saturday and i agree with your sentiments regarding players on the Cork team.  just one point Kevin Mc Kernan is probably the best centre half back in Ireland right now and was excellent when it mattered last season for the county.  Winning a county championship with his club has only stood him in better stead for what lies ahead this year.  He makes the game look easy and with King in front of him to help assist in defensive duties - he has the ability to bomb forward at will.  He scores regular and will prob pop over a few on saturday evening..
Based on results at the weekend - the favourites are winning all games - exception Leitrim - but games are not good so far.  Hopefully saturday night will light up the championship...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on May 23, 2011, 10:15:56 AM
Some posters really need to be realistic. Down were beat in div 3 and div 2 finals, won a mckenna cup all in recent years. Im not saying last years run was a fluke by any means, 'we' (is that ok for me to say?) were there on merit. But it came out of nowhere, some people really need to be realistic about our support, not every game is going to be a walk in the park. I am an eternal optimist, but I am not an idiot. What I have been reading on here reminds me of Down fans I always find myself beside at Matches. Idiots. People who call the ref a tr**p after he blows for the first foul of the day, against Down after 1 minute of play. People who shout 'Yas Kildare scumbags!' after they score. I mean, what is he basing that on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 23, 2011, 10:59:08 AM
Quote from: EagleLord on May 23, 2011, 10:15:56 AM
Some posters really need to be realistic. Down were beat in div 3 and div 2 finals, won a mckenna cup all in recent years. Im not saying last years run was a fluke by any means, 'we' (is that ok for me to say?) were there on merit. But it came out of nowhere, some people really need to be realistic about our support, not every game is going to be a walk in the park. I am an eternal optimist, but I am not an idiot. What I have been reading on here reminds me of Down fans I always find myself beside at Matches. Idiots. People who call the ref a tr**p after he blows for the first foul of the day, against Down after 1 minute of play. People who shout 'Yas Kildare scumbags!' after they score. I mean, what is he basing that on?

Yes 'we' won Mc Kenna cup and were beaten in three finals in last few years - but we are on an upward curve in the recent past.  We need to milk it while it lasts because it will only last for a while.  Quite a few of our players are the same age and will retire at the same time and leave a massive void to be filled.  We need to enjoy being better than our neighbours and giving them some of the slagging they gave us for long enough in the last few seasons.  I do agree that some people get carried away at games shouting stuff at referees and other supporters - and i dont agree with it one little bit.  But i do think we should live for now and enjoy our monent in the sunshine - lord knows it snowed on us for long enough...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on May 23, 2011, 12:44:15 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on May 23, 2011, 09:59:31 AM

Have to say i agree with Alba2 on his selection of our county team and what he says about the armagh players.  I have total respect for armagh and what they have done in football terms over the last ten years - but this currect crop of players simply are not good enough.  If we are being realistic - how many armagh players would get into the Cork team at the minute?? Probably Stevie Mc Donnald and maybe Jamie Clarke - if he bulked up a bit. Whereas from down - Dan Gordon could slot in anywhere for them, Kevin Mc Kernan would replace canty the player who stole his all star last year,  King would play in midfield as a defensive foil for Walsh, Marty, Benny, Danny Hughes would all feature in their forward line.. Armagh - like many other teams were on top for a long period - but their time has come to an end and the calibre of player in their panel now is poor.  From watching their national league performances esp in newry for the second year They have no desire, hunger or trust in each other the way the armagh of old had.  I honestly believe we will win and win easily on saturday evenin.  AN DUN ABU

Is there a virus on my computor or are people really posting this stuff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 23, 2011, 01:03:29 PM
Although Mc Kernan had a great year last year people tend to forget that he was dropped at the start of the championship not ideal for the best chb in the country . I think he had an average enough league campaign and for alba to suggest his passing is unbelievable is pretty wrong as in my opinion he is either very good or very very bad . I posted before that as a chb your primary job is to defend kevin sometimes forgets this with his bombing forward
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 23, 2011, 01:38:31 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on May 23, 2011, 01:03:29 PM
Although Mc Kernan had a great year last year people tend to forget that he was dropped at the start of the championship not ideal for the best chb in the country . I think he had an average enough league campaign and for alba to suggest his passing is unbelievable is pretty wrong as in my opinion he is either very good or very very bad . I posted before that as a chb your primary job is to defend kevin sometimes forgets this with his bombing forward

Dropped to wake him up a little and it worked a treat.. he never looked back after it though.  Defending is priority - yeah - but look back at the league and you will see that he had the most turnovers of all the defenders.. That speaks volumes in itself... And his passing - apart from the mayo game - is on the button every time... Best CHB in the country by a country mile...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 23, 2011, 01:54:13 PM
He also was the most turned over . Distrubition against Armagh in first half was brutal although he was excellent in second half very poor against Kerry marking space with no great effect . He does score some great points but misses quite a few because he shoots speculatively . Alot of the scores the dubs got that night were by running right through the centre of our defence . Dont get me wrong Kevin is a great lad but he has his faults like us all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 23, 2011, 01:58:28 PM
Just a few thoughts of my own.

It's hard to see Paddy O'Rourke setting up a defensive system, it's not in his nature, so it should be a 15 v 15 set-up, or at worst, eight half-forwards/half-backs in the midfield area.

My main worry from a Down perspective is setting up a shield in front of McDonnell and Clarke. Our half-back line (any three from McKernan, Rooney, Garvey, Murphy (Doyle or Carr)) will more than fancy dominating their direct opponents and will try to carry the game to Armagh. But, we will always need one of them to stay put. McKernan showed he can do this more than capably against Kerry and Kildare, but his attacking instincts got the better of him vs Cork.

Gordon will definitely start on McDonnell, and I'd be more than confident of Big Dan in the air – and even if McDonnell wins a couple in that battle, he'll still have a 6' 4" wingspan to get around, so the goal threat should be kept reasonably light. Stevie though would eat him for breakfast if the ball is thrown in regularly low and hard, and that's where we need a pivot centre half-back en situ, minimising that option. 

I'd put Dan McCartan on Clarke. Clarke isn't that quick by county standards, but he's an intuitive, smart and talented player. He mightn't touch leather for 15 minutes at a time, so the man marking him will have to be first and foremost a defender, and have the right blend of concentration and confidence. I don't think that's Gerard McCartan just yet.

Midfield should be pretty even. Armagh are useful there, but are probably not mobile enough to panic Down through a siege of overlapping runs. Colgan's physical strength and positioning might actually be more useful in this arena than Fitzpatrick's athleticism, but I'm happy that the options are there to change it up if required.

I'd like Maginn against Kernan, where his work rate will be needed, but more importantly, continually giving Kernan something to think about on the back foot. Hughes might give him more to think about again, but I've a feeling those free-spirited two would basically give each other the freedom of the park if put in direct opposition.

Up top, I imagine Clarke will have the full attention of McKeever for most of the 70, so I'd prefer to see him out the field where McKeever might get more distracted from his duties.

Down actually have a similar run at full-forward as they do at full-back. If we can manage to exploit space in front of Donaghy, he can be found out by any of Coulter, McComiskey, Murtagh. I'd fancy though that Donaghy would win the aerial battles all day long.


While my prediction skills are rotten to the point that I'm a curse on teams, I do expect Down to win. Armagh's half-forward is just too weak for them to be considered as potential champions of anything, and we really need Down to put down a marker that we're not one-season wonders. Armagh should have the experience and desire to keep it tight for most of the match, but as long as we can keep the green flags to a minimum, sheer firepower means we should win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 23, 2011, 02:49:53 PM
Good post wobbler . Gordon and Mc Donnell  will be a good battle but my fear of the treaded ball in front of Stevie will do us harm this is why it is very important that Mc Kernan defends in front of Dan to cut off the ball going in . James Colgan did this job perfectly last year and was one of the reasons that the defence tightened up so much as it didnt leave Benny Mc Ardle exposed at any time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 23, 2011, 03:47:29 PM
Any other thoughts on McKernan being the best chb in the country? Did he not play wing back most of last season then get dropped and play last 3/4 games at 6? He is very good but not the best in the country in my opinion. Agree with posters concerns re his defending/shooting priorities.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 23, 2011, 03:59:10 PM
Down were a surprised packet last year. This year the element of surprise has goine. So its might be more difficult this year for Down even if they are a better and more wiser team than last year.

Been following the Down team from 60's and every time we have great expection from Down team, we failed.

The 1969 team to me had great hope to win back to back All Ireland but we failed to Caven.

Let hope James put the right attitude in Down players and not reading too much in lots of nonsense on this board.

Armagh are quite capable to win this Sat in front of their home crowd.

Wishing Down all the very best for this Sat in both minor and Senior.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 23, 2011, 09:17:36 PM
The down half back line will be the same as last year, cant see Carr or Doyle getting anywhere near the team having not been seen in the half back line all year.

On McKernan being the best CHB in the country, lol that is funny, he wont even be the best CHB on the park on Saturday ffs.

Id prefer to put danny on kernan, he could destroy him. McGinn tracking back to the defence will suit Kernan down to the ground imo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on May 23, 2011, 09:38:23 PM
McKernan was the best CHB from August on in last years championship and deserved the all star. Whether he can reproduce that form consistently is open to question but Id be hopeful he can build on last season.

I expect Down to win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Overthebar! on May 24, 2011, 12:11:14 AM
any of yous see paddy kielty on question of sport wearing his retro down jersey? fair play!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on May 24, 2011, 08:53:02 AM
lads whats the craic with ticket allocation? i heard the clubs are getting 2 seating tickets and the rest are terracing, is that right??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 24, 2011, 12:05:40 PM
Yes, ticket allocation is going to be extremely tight for their stand. You will have no problem whatsoever acquiring a ticket, I would say there will be lucky to be 10-12 thousand at it.

Club championship draw is on tonight in Park Esler. Must be in the new county offices there? Anyone any details of what time its at??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on May 24, 2011, 12:34:14 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 24, 2011, 12:05:40 PM
Yes, ticket allocation is going to be extremely tight for their stand. You will have no problem whatsoever acquiring a ticket, I would say there will be lucky to be 10-12 thousand at it.

Club championship draw is on tonight in Park Esler. Must be in the new county offices there? Anyone any details of what time its at??

Are we so well off that we can afford two county offices? Surely now that we have a new buiding at Pairc Esler which we own, all office business should be conducted from there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 24, 2011, 01:08:29 PM
Quote from: Overthebar! on May 24, 2011, 12:11:14 AM
any of yous see paddy kielty on question of sport wearing his retro down jersey? fair play!

'Big Ledge'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 24, 2011, 01:43:15 PM
Quote from: Leo on May 24, 2011, 12:34:14 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 24, 2011, 12:05:40 PM
Yes, ticket allocation is going to be extremely tight for their stand. You will have no problem whatsoever acquiring a ticket, I would say there will be lucky to be 10-12 thousand at it.

Club championship draw is on tonight in Park Esler. Must be in the new county offices there? Anyone any details of what time its at??

Are we so well off that we can afford two county offices? Surely now that we have a new buiding at Pairc Esler which we own, all office business should be conducted from there?

Think thats the plan? Are the offices not going to be in that building?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 24, 2011, 02:25:51 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 24, 2011, 01:08:29 PM
Quote from: Overthebar! on May 24, 2011, 12:11:14 AM
any of yous see paddy kielty on question of sport wearing his retro down jersey? fair play!

'Big Ledge'

Saw that....good plug for Retro GAA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on May 24, 2011, 02:35:16 PM
See Benny and Oisin McConville agreeing in this weekes Newry Democrat about the ticket prices......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on May 24, 2011, 02:53:36 PM
Is Jamie Clarke this great player or is he just a flash in the pan.  A few years back they were talking about Charlie Vernon being the next big thing and he has failed to deliver on the big stage.  Will Clarke be the same?? Also interesting posts about the Armagh half forward line being their weakest line - Mackin is a Derby winner but cant play ball, Billy Joe Padden hasnt got the legs anymore and Tony Kernan is no Aaron.  Charlie has played in there a bit as well but to no avail.  I cant see the threat from these lads to our established half back line.  I honestly think this will be the platform to our success on Sat night...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 24, 2011, 03:13:42 PM
Jamie Clarke is an excellent footballer and I will guarantee he will not be a 'flash in the pan' - his performances for McRory, Sigerson, Crossmaglenn and Armagh Minors/u21/seniors have been top class and very consistent. Pain in the neck for any defender and down will have to be very alert to him on sat night.

Anyone at the championship draws tonight who could keep us updated?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on May 24, 2011, 03:39:03 PM
Agreed, Jamie Clarke has performed well on every stage put to him so far, star player at minor and u21 level, scoring goals for Cross in AIF, goal on armagh senior debut.. Not going to be a flash in the pan at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 24, 2011, 03:49:19 PM
Lads lets lay off Allba2, it is good to have enthusiastic supporters. Though I do think some of the comments were a little over excited, generally it is good to support the team, praise them and be confident.

I have to agree McKernan is far from the country's best CHB. He is prone to concentration lapses, attacks without first securing defence, isn't a fantastic tackler and is often wrong footed by a running attacker. However he is strong, fast, has a good shot, gives his all, and very good at interceptions, most importantly he is one of the fittest CHBs in the country. Bryan Cullen said that in the Dublin game he couldn't catch him.

He has good qualities that are indeed better than virtually any CHB around and some bad ones that put him well behind many of those same guys. For instance someone said he won't even be the best CHB on the field on Saturday. True McKeever will be a better defender but will McKeever burst forward as often? Will he support the attack as well? Will he have the same stamina? Which is more likely to score?

Not easy to say who is the better CHB when its put like that I think.

As for Jamie Clarke, he is without doubt talented but is prone to being physically marked as he isn't big and doesn't have the range of soloing skills that can get him out of trouble. In a quality 6-man attack he would run riot, but with 3 average half forwards, Swift & R.Clarke out, and only Stevie to pass to, his options will be severely limited. I don't expect our defence to be naive enough to leave him isolated one-on-one too often. But there is one very important fact that can not be forgotten, he scored 0-3 against Galway, & 0-4 against Cork, all from play!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 24, 2011, 03:57:41 PM
On the contrary he is one of the more skilful forwards in the game at the moment which makes him hard to stop and he draws frees from this a lot. He isn't the strongest but will pose a threat whether he has one or ten 'good' forwards around him.  To be a stand out player in an All Ireland winning club team at 21 is as good as anything to show he will perform at the highest level no matter who he is marking or who is around him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 24, 2011, 04:42:34 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on May 24, 2011, 02:35:16 PM
See Benny and Oisin McConville agreeing in this weekes Newry Democrat about the ticket prices......


Look a bit closer Eaglelord and you'll see that they agree on everything!!! Oisín is also looking forward to running out onto Morgan Fuels Park for the first time in a Down jersey!!!


Bit of a mix up in the sports editorial department I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on May 24, 2011, 06:50:08 PM
the championship draws are live online  tonight at 9-00
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on May 24, 2011, 06:52:43 PM
http://www.destinationnewry.com/                   link for above
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 24, 2011, 09:08:33 PM
Junior Football Championship
Prelim Round
A) Bredagh v St. Michael's
B) Aghaderg v St. Paul's

Teconnacht v B
Aughlisnafin v Ballykinlar
A v Saul
Bright v Dromara
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 24, 2011, 09:11:35 PM
Intermediate Championship
Carryduff v Dundrum
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Drumaness v Aticall
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
Newry Mitchels v Glassdrumman
Daragh Cross v Annaclone
Glenn v Newry Bosco
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 24, 2011, 09:12:46 PM
Senior Hurling Championship
Ballygalget v Ballycran
Bredagh v Portaferry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: overdabar on May 24, 2011, 09:22:46 PM
senior football championship

ASK lecale v Saval


Kilcoo v liatroim
Mayobridge v Castlewellan
ask/Saval v Clonduff
An Riocht v Downpatrick
L'island v Ballyholland
Longstone v Rostrevor
Burren v Bryansford
Wpoint v Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 24, 2011, 09:24:00 PM
Burren v Bryansford is some draw.  Kilcoo v Liatroim is tasty as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on May 24, 2011, 09:25:22 PM
Quote from: overdabar on May 24, 2011, 09:22:46 PM
senior football championship

ASK lecale v Saval


Kilcoo v liatroim
Mayobridge v Castlewellan
ask/Saval v Clonduff
An Riocht v Downpatrick
L'island v Ballyholland
Longstone v Rostrevor
Burren v Bryansford
Wpoint v Tullylish

A pound to a penny Tullylish weren't in that hat. Not that they'll be complaining
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on May 24, 2011, 09:27:35 PM
I didn't notice the tullylish ball there.

Apart from that though it was a good idea to have the draw streamed live and it was pretty well organised.

Glenn for the IFC!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 24, 2011, 09:37:52 PM
Some interesting ties there alright! How is the ask team going to work?! I know there was discussion about this previously. Any reserve draws made?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 24, 2011, 09:48:11 PM
Fancy ford to beat burren, burren dont seem to be near as hungry as last year and having 7/8 county men doesnt help them getting any cohesion in team selection.  Ford on the other hand have started the season looking like they have something to prove.

kilcoo v liatrom could get fiesty but would say kilcoo will give them a bit of a hidden, on the field anyway!!

None of the other draws really wet the appetite that much and im sorry but imo this ask lecale team is a complete waste of time and could end up in complete embarassment for the lads involved and the county board as a whole.  Also does this mean that the intermediate 1st round has to be brought forward to accomadate this game being played or what? Joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 24, 2011, 09:51:57 PM
Bryansford v Burren. What a draw. At last Burren get a tough first round tie.
Cant wait to we face the fontenoys, great draw for us, motivation wont be a problem for this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 24, 2011, 10:06:51 PM
That is a very weak JFC this year. Presuming Bredagh beat St Michaels in the Preliminary they will face Saul and the winner of this will go on to win it. Looking at the other ties in the last 8, it looks like a weaker Division 4 team will make it to the Final.

Annaclone and Ballymartin must start as favourites in the IFC. No real standout ties. We have drawn Carryduff in the 1st round for the third time in the past six years. It took 140 minutes to separate us last year before they dumped us out.

Bryansford and Burren is the tie of the SFC. Saval will be happy with drawing the Lecale amalgamation. Kilcoo and Liatroim should be a humdinger. Tullylish are more than capable of making the last eight as they've received a nice draw against the Point. Castlewellan wont be a straightforward tie for the Bridge either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clann29 on May 24, 2011, 11:10:33 PM
Quote from: amallon on May 24, 2011, 09:11:35 PM
Intermediate Championship
Carryduff v Dundrum
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Drumaness v Aticall
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
Newry Mitchels v Glassdrumman
Daragh Cross v Annaclone
Glenn v Newry Bosco
Ballymartin v Ardglass.   

Dont rule out banbridge struggled with injuries all year and will come strong up the bann
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 25, 2011, 07:52:58 AM
Around a Pound JFC
ROUND 1
A Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
B Saul v Ballykinlar
C Bright v Mitchels

ROUND 2
B v Bredagh
St Micheals v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v C
St Pauls v B

Is is what was issued to clubs last night. Which draw is correct? Bredagh or St Paul's must play the winner of A?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 25, 2011, 08:33:42 AM
Quote from: amallon on May 24, 2011, 09:12:46 PM
Senior Hurling Championship

Bredagh v Portaferry

To be played in Londonderry Park, Newtownards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 25, 2011, 09:10:29 AM
Do our bit for cross community relations!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on May 25, 2011, 09:18:12 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 25, 2011, 07:52:58 AM
Around a Pound JFC
ROUND 1
A Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
B Saul v Ballykinlar
C Bright v Mitchels

ROUND 2
B v Bredagh
St Micheals v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v C
St Pauls v B

Is is what was issued to clubs last night. Which draw is correct? Bredagh or St Paul's must play the winner of A?

Mitchels are down to play Glassdrumman in the IFC so that one must be wrong. There is only 10 teams in the Junior according to Austin last night.

*Edit* Having looked on the down website it appears that St. Johns are down to play Glassdrumman. I assume this is because St. Johns were forgotten about when they made the draw and they are supposed to be in the IFC instead of mitchells meaning the JFC had to be redrawn which is what you have above.

The mistake is unfortunate but there is no harm done really.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on May 25, 2011, 10:10:14 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on May 25, 2011, 08:33:42 AM
Quote from: amallon on May 24, 2011, 09:12:46 PM
Senior Hurling Championship

Bredagh v Portaferry

To be played in Londonderry Park, Newtownards.

Perfect spot. St Pauls would need a bigger pitch if they're gonna give the hurling a serious go and sure did'nt Offaly have a puck around there one sunday morning. Wee Joe will be on to the council in the morning, I'm sure they'll be only too willing to help.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 25, 2011, 11:42:21 AM
Any dates for preliminary rounds/round 1 for JFC?

Dates for round 1/2 for ACPR championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 25, 2011, 11:47:10 AM
Completely agree with MDG, Burren actually get to face a tough task in the first round and we ll really see what sort of a side they are as I felt last year they got a dream run to the final.

Some interesting ties, Rostrevor v Lstone is hard to call, Saval v Clonduff could also go anyway. The rest should go to the favourites, bar Wpoint v Tullylish which could see the Lish sneak through ;-)

This amalgamation thing is a complete joke and will turn out to be a cake walk for Saval, hope it doesnt become too much of a farce on the night, I can see 15/20 point spread.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on May 25, 2011, 12:58:52 PM
Quote from: John Martin on May 25, 2011, 09:18:12 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 25, 2011, 07:52:58 AM
Around a Pound JFC
ROUND 1
A Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
B Saul v Ballykinlar
C Bright v Mitchels

ROUND 2
B v Bredagh
St Micheals v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v C
St Pauls v B

Is is what was issued to clubs last night. Which draw is correct? Bredagh or St Paul's must play the winner of A?

Mitchels are down to play Glassdrumman in the IFC so that one must be wrong. There is only 10 teams in the Junior according to Austin last night.

*Edit* Having looked on the down website it appears that St. Johns are down to play Glassdrumman. I assume this is because St. Johns were forgotten about when they made the draw and they are supposed to be in the IFC instead of mitchells meaning the JFC had to be redrawn which is what you have above.

The mistake is unfortunate but there is no harm done really.

No clearer who plays the winner of Saul -v- Ballykinler??  Us or Bredagh, this states we both play the winner whilst Dromara -v- Finn winners dont play in the second round......What a balls up :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 25, 2011, 01:19:49 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 25, 2011, 11:47:10 AM
Completely agree with MDG, Burren actually get to face a tough task in the first round and we ll really see what sort of a side they are as I felt last year they got a dream run to the final.

Some interesting ties, Rostrevor v Lstone is hard to call, Saval v Clonduff could also go anyway. The rest should go to the favourites, bar Wpoint v Tullylish which could see the Lish sneak through ;-)

This amalgamation thing is a complete joke and will turn out to be a cake walk for Saval, hope it doesnt become too much of a farce on the night, I can see 15/20 point spread.

Having beaten mayobridge and ford on the way to the county title and losing by a point to the eventual all ireland winners as well as finishing top of the league, i would suggest it is a bit harsh to say that we dont know what sort of side Burren were last year!!  However as I previously said they dont appear to have the same bite or hunger this year and unless they turn that around I would be going for the ford to win it.

On getting a hard first round draw i think alot of teams would prefer to get a tough first round draw.  I mean would teams not fancy their chances against Kilcoo, bridge, burren or ford in the first round rather than the final.  At least Ford and burren should both be up for this match anyway, whoever loses can not use the excuse of complacency.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 25, 2011, 02:29:46 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on May 25, 2011, 12:58:52 PM
Quote from: John Martin on May 25, 2011, 09:18:12 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 25, 2011, 07:52:58 AM
Around a Pound JFC
ROUND 1
A Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
B Saul v Ballykinlar
C Bright v Mitchels

ROUND 2
B v Bredagh
St Micheals v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v C
St Pauls v B

Is is what was issued to clubs last night. Which draw is correct? Bredagh or St Paul's must play the winner of A?

Mitchels are down to play Glassdrumman in the IFC so that one must be wrong. There is only 10 teams in the Junior according to Austin last night.

*Edit* Having looked on the down website it appears that St. Johns are down to play Glassdrumman. I assume this is because St. Johns were forgotten about when they made the draw and they are supposed to be in the IFC instead of mitchells meaning the JFC had to be redrawn which is what you have above.

The mistake is unfortunate but there is no harm done really.

No clearer who plays the winner of Saul -v- Ballykinler??  Us or Bredagh, this states we both play the winner whilst Dromara -v- Finn winners dont play in the second round......What a balls up :o

Confusion! No idea what the right way of it is now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 25, 2011, 05:19:01 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 14, 2010, 11:26:07 PM
Lineups for 2011 Championships

SFC

Burren 
Mayobridge   
Clonduff 
Kilcoo 
Bryansford 
Rostrevor 
An Riocht   
Longstone 
Liatroim 
Castlewellan 
Ballyholland   
Saval   
Downpatrick   
Loughinisland   
Warrenpoint
Tullylish


IFC

Clann na Banna   
Ballymartin   
Annaclone 
Shamrocks   
Kilclief 
Atticall 
Glasdrumman
Drumgath 
Darragh Cross   
Dundrum 
Ardglass   
Glenn 
Carryduff   
St Johns   
Bosco
Drumaness 


JFC

Bredagh
Saul
Teconnaught 
Mitchels 
St Michaels 
St Pauls   
Dromara   
Aughlisnafin 
Bright   
Aghaderg 
Ballykinlar

The men in charge hadn't their homework done :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on May 25, 2011, 05:36:15 PM
Anyone know how the amalgamation of Kilclief, Saul and Ardglass will work in terms of the players that play in the Lecale team, if/when they get beat in the 1st round, surely the players will not be allowed to go back and play for their own teams in the Intermediate/Junior Championship?

I feel there is many more problems facing this scenario, if they get beat in the 1st game this year and their own club has a successful campaign in whatever championship, they will be raging having to watch from the sidelines (i'm assuming this is what happens), then come next year they maybe faced with the same scenario and choose not to join the amalgamation. I'm all for change but it appears to have more questions than answers at present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 25, 2011, 05:43:03 PM
They can still play JFC or IFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 25, 2011, 08:19:44 PM
Any word on the senior champ'ship fixtures being re-drawn? I hear a rumour about a mix up - anyone else heard?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on May 25, 2011, 08:37:40 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on May 25, 2011, 08:19:44 PM
Any word on the senior champ'ship fixtures being re-drawn? I hear a rumour about a mix up - anyone else heard?

I'd say the mix-up was that the ball for tullylish didn't seem to be in the draw so they ended up just playing them against the last team drawn out, warrenpoint. They could get away with playing away as it is but some teams may say that it wasn't really fair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 25, 2011, 08:58:28 PM
Was the draw public? I tried to watch it online but the site crashed.
Did anyone see it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on May 25, 2011, 09:03:04 PM
Yeah I seen it alright. It was fairly well presented but there was obviously a couple of glaring mistakes, it's still got me fairly excited for the championship weekends though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on May 25, 2011, 09:13:29 PM
Result from division 3 tonight

St. John's     1-07
Glenn           2-13
;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on May 25, 2011, 09:23:18 PM
[I'd say the mix-up was that the ball for tullylish didn't seem to be in the draw so they ended up just playing them against the last team drawn out, warrenpoint. They could get away with playing away as it is but some teams may say that it wasn't really fair.
[/quote]

No offence to Tullylish but I'd rather we had drawn them than Mayobridge!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 25, 2011, 09:35:28 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 25, 2011, 11:47:10 AM

This amalgamation thing is a complete joke and will turn out to be a cake walk for Saval, hope it doesnt become too much of a farce on the night, I can see 15/20 point spread.

I don't agree with the amalgamation at all but I think your prediction may be way out.  I'd fancy Kilclief on their own to have a fighting chance against Saval.  Perhaps the dilution of the "do it for the parish/jersey" attitude and lack of training together will work against this Lecale team but if they put out the strongest team (which is 12 Kilclief men, 2 Ardglass men and a keeper from Saul) there is no way they will get beaten by 20 points by Saval.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on May 25, 2011, 09:55:15 PM
Quote from: No1 on May 25, 2011, 09:35:28 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 25, 2011, 11:47:10 AM

This amalgamation thing is a complete joke and will turn out to be a cake walk for Saval, hope it doesnt become too much of a farce on the night, I can see 15/20 point spread.

I don't agree with the amalgamation at all but I think your prediction may be way out.  I'd fancy Kilclief on their own to have a fighting chance against Saval.  Perhaps the dilution of the "do it for the parish/jersey" attitude and lack of training together will work against this Lecale team but if they put out the strongest team (which is 12 Kilclief men, 2 Ardglass men and a keeper from Saul) there is no way they will get beaten by 20 points by Saval.

Kilclief wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell against Saval! Look at the facts- Kilclief are a Div 3 club and have been beaten this year. The gulf between Div 3 and Div 1 is massive. Castlewellan could hardly win a game in Div 1 last year but in Div 2 they are stuffing teams by an average of 8 points- Saval will be odds on to win at a canter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on May 25, 2011, 09:59:51 PM
Couldn't really agree with that.Saul may be in the 4th division,but they do have quality players in King,Vint and Keenan.Kilclief would no doubt make up the majority of the team,but not 12 of the starting 15.Ardglass too have a number of quality men,as seen by their string of good results in the second half of last season,when they had a full compliment of players.
     If the cream of these three teams were brought together and trained properly for the next six to eight weeks I'm convinced they would give a good account of themselves.I also don't buy the argument that they won't be able to play together due to parish rivalries.a good manager will have this sorted within the first few weeks of training.
     Hope it works out for the lads selected as there are some great fellas on all three teams who have been toiling away for years and deserve such an opportunity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 25, 2011, 10:06:58 PM
I suppose the league tables don't lie but I would argue that we were desperately unlucky to get relegated last year and we would be a match for any team in Div 2. 

If ASK were up against Mayobridge/Burren/Kilcoo then I would probably agree that a stuffing was on the cards but it's only Saval..........................

Dunno how the f**k I've ended up arguing for this abomination of a team!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 25, 2011, 10:27:48 PM
Glen seem to be going well this season, who is peforming well for them? I hear Shay McCartan is back/coming back for the summer will he play? Or just play for down minors?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 25, 2011, 10:27:56 PM
The amalgamation has probably come a couple of years to late for a few of the Ardglass players, a couple of years ago Chris "Rat" Deegans, Aaron Beattie, Chris Teggart and Eamonn McEvoy would have made the team. Philly Gill has transferred to Tir Connail Gaels in London and would easily have made the team, a very good player. Chris Laird and Stevie Smith are good players who have moved away in recent years as well and would be more than capable of playing senior football, Stevie is actually playing senior football in Co. Leitreim at present.

The majority of the team will be Kilclief lads alrite. Mick Magee and Liam Mullan are the 2 players that no1 mentioned before that would make his team. But Stevie Deegans will be a certainity as well; Sean Paul Halpin, Malachy Crangle, James Telford and David Pullen would be pushing for a place as well and Mark Armstrong in nets would be an option.

I would imagine a couple of challenge games would need to be arranged fairly soon and a squad picked from that, I still havent heard who the selectors or management are. There is a decent team on paper there alrite but how they gel together is anyone's guess.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on May 25, 2011, 11:08:25 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 25, 2011, 10:27:48 PM
Glen seem to be going well this season, who is peforming well for them? I hear Shay McCartan is back/coming back for the summer will he play? Or just play for down minors?

I've heard nothing about Shay. I'd be surprised if he was gonna play as I'm sure any injury would carry serious consequences with his club in England. Also the lad is only 17/18 so it'd be unfair for Glenn to pressure him into playing.

Glenn are doing ok, but it's early and we've yet to play the top 2 teams so their league position could be a bit flattering at the moment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 25, 2011, 11:20:08 PM
Suppose so. Thought I had heard from one of the minor lads that McCartan was being brought back in for the Ulster Championship but maybe this is not true!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 26, 2011, 11:09:32 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 25, 2011, 11:20:08 PM
Suppose so. Thought I had heard from one of the minor lads that McCartan was being brought back in for the Ulster Championship but maybe this is not true!

Shay McCartan will feature for the Minors on Saturday and likely form the start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 26, 2011, 11:35:20 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 26, 2011, 11:09:32 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 25, 2011, 11:20:08 PM
Suppose so. Thought I had heard from one of the minor lads that McCartan was being brought back in for the Ulster Championship but maybe this is not true!

Shay McCartan will feature for the Minors on Saturday and likely form the start.

MDG you are completely right, I have no doubt Shay Mc Carten will start as Mc Grath is one manager who does not care who trains or who misses training, all he will do is play the strongest 15 he has. He will not care one bit about the other young minors who have slogged their guts out all year to be cast aside when Mc Carten arrives back. Not the young fellas fault by the way.

Actually looking forward to the minor game, I feel this minor team can go the whole way and probably should now the favourites have been dumped out last week, but who knows minor football is very hard to predict.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 26, 2011, 11:54:03 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 26, 2011, 11:35:20 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 26, 2011, 11:09:32 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 25, 2011, 11:20:08 PM
Suppose so. Thought I had heard from one of the minor lads that McCartan was being brought back in for the Ulster Championship but maybe this is not true!

Shay McCartan will feature for the Minors on Saturday and likely form the start.

MDG you are completely right, I have no doubt Shay Mc Carten will start as Mc Grath is one manager who does not care who trains or who misses training, all he will do is play the strongest 15 he has. He will not care one bit about the other young minors who have slogged their guts out all year to be cast aside when Mc Carten arrives back. Not the young fellas fault by the way.

Actually looking forward to the minor game, I feel this minor team can go the whole way and probably should now the favourites have been dumped out last week, but who knows minor football is very hard to predict.

Redandblackareback, it sounds like you are criticising Pete, have I got it wrong? Yes it is important that players train but there can not be an inflexible rule. It's not as if Shay has been smoking ganja in Barbados for the time the lads were training. He has been training as a professional sportsman and that alone prevented him from partaking in the squad sessions but also leaves him as fit as anyone.

Yes the other lads have worked hard and that is not a waste, any that don't start will put themselves in a very good position to come of the bench or replace an injured player. Not everyone in a squad can start, some players are needed simply to help prepare the 15 that start and the subs that will be used, but they are still valuable members indeed essential members of the squad.

Surely Pete's job is to pick the strongest team and to win. If he left Shay on the bench and then we lost wouldn't he be criticised for that? I don't agree with prima-donnas who think they can miss training and still be on the team, but if there are legitimate reasons then I think they should be accepted. After all, club teams play county stars when available even if county training means they miss club sessions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 26, 2011, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 26, 2011, 11:54:03 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 26, 2011, 11:35:20 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 26, 2011, 11:09:32 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 25, 2011, 11:20:08 PM
Suppose so. Thought I had heard from one of the minor lads that McCartan was being brought back in for the Ulster Championship but maybe this is not true!

Shay McCartan will feature for the Minors on Saturday and likely form the start.

MDG you are completely right, I have no doubt Shay Mc Carten will start as Mc Grath is one manager who does not care who trains or who misses training, all he will do is play the strongest 15 he has. He will not care one bit about the other young minors who have slogged their guts out all year to be cast aside when Mc Carten arrives back. Not the young fellas fault by the way.

Actually looking forward to the minor game, I feel this minor team can go the whole way and probably should now the favourites have been dumped out last week, but who knows minor football is very hard to predict.

Redandblackareback, it sounds like you are criticising Pete, have I got it wrong? Yes it is important that players train but there can not be an inflexible rule. It's not as if Shay has been smoking ganja in Barbados for the time the lads were training. He has been training as a professional sportsman and that alone prevented him from partaking in the squad sessions but also leaves him as fit as anyone.

Yes the other lads have worked hard and that is not a waste, any that don't start will put themselves in a very good position to come of the bench or replace an injured player. Not everyone in a squad can start, some players are needed simply to help prepare the 15 that start and the subs that will be used, but they are still valuable members indeed essential members of the squad.

Surely Pete's job is to pick the strongest team and to win. If he left Shay on the bench and then we lost wouldn't he be criticised for that? I don't agree with prima-donnas who think they can miss training and still be on the team, but if there are legitimate reasons then I think they should be accepted. After all, club teams play county stars when available even if county training means they miss club sessions.

No I would never ever criticise the greatest manager this county has ever had. I am simply saying thats what will happen.

Listen Pauld, you put yourself in one of those young minors shoes for a second and think how you d feel if you v been playing all year at 15 or 13 and then Mc Carten comes back and walks straight onto the team.

Best option IMO....... Impact sub.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 26, 2011, 02:43:43 PM
some option as an impact sub that minor that passed on this information is obvivously  the one thats losing out . He shouldnt  be talking out of school as to whats going on . If Pete was thinking of throwing Shay in am sure he was keeping it among the squad not telling everone he met on the street
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 26, 2011, 07:57:32 PM
Are you for real here? No one said anything about a minor speaking out, I raised the initial point which I knew was correct at time of posting and was wondering if many others knew this about him being back. He will probably start and most people will know this including the opposition due to the close nature of the two counties/sets of players. There is no issue with anyone speaking out of turn here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Overthebar! on May 26, 2011, 08:36:51 PM
you're bang out of line supersub
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 26, 2011, 08:57:19 PM
Way back to the tyrone thread hi!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on May 26, 2011, 10:28:19 PM
supersub youve grassed on your own doorstep.  Shame on you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 26, 2011, 11:10:52 PM
Senior Club Football Championshipdraw is null & void and it will take place again.
Leaving a team out of the hat was a schoolboy error.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on May 26, 2011, 11:21:55 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 26, 2011, 11:10:52 PM
Senior Club Football Championshipdraw is null & void and it will take place again.
Leaving a team out of the hat was a schoolboy error.
is that true or you stating your feelings on it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 26, 2011, 11:24:49 PM
E Mail from County Secretary. To be re-draw on Monday in Canal Court.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on May 26, 2011, 11:33:29 PM
A shambles.Sum teams will end up happier and others will be ragin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 26, 2011, 11:53:20 PM
will they be streaming it live again ??   :D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 27, 2011, 12:32:08 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on May 26, 2011, 10:28:19 PM
supersub youve grassed on your own doorstep.  Shame on you

ha likely
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 27, 2011, 08:42:46 AM
Lads, reading through the posts I think you are being a bit hard on Supersub. All he said was that he had heard Shay was back and wondered if it was to play for Glenn or the minors. If you think Armagh wouldn't have known he had come back then I think your a bit deluded, they will know full well he is back.

I understand a young player may be disappointed, I have been a non-playing sub in three finals. I was a bad footballer and they were very low level finals but none the less I would have loved to play. But being part was important too. It is a team sport and everyone must work for a team victory. If a lad can't accept that, then he has no business in a team game. If he was next on the list to Shay then he will almost certainly be used at some point if we have a successful year.

"If I don't start I'm not happy" is a very bad attitude and not one that helps any team.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 27, 2011, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 26, 2011, 11:24:49 PM
E Mail from County Secretary. To be re-draw on Monday in Canal Court.

They should also be taking Bredagh out of the junior hurling championship draw as well while they're at it, eh Lecale!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 27, 2011, 11:53:39 AM
Done. We didn't enter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 27, 2011, 01:20:44 PM
Paul i wasnt getting at supersub at all and if you think i was Supersub im sorry . I just couldnt understand a lad leaving training and telling what was going on . This is hardly benifical to a TEAM unit . What happens here should stay between themselves and should not be discussed outside the panel . Wouldnt do if they had a big surprise up their sleeve everyone would know about it . Thats what i was getting at
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 27, 2011, 02:37:33 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 27, 2011, 11:53:39 AM
Done. We didn't enter.

How did it even happen in the first place?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 27, 2011, 03:00:27 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on May 27, 2011, 01:20:44 PM
Paul i wasnt getting at supersub at all and if you think i was Supersub im sorry . I just couldnt understand a lad leaving training and telling what was going on . This is hardly benifical to a TEAM unit . What happens here should stay between themselves and should not be discussed outside the panel . Wouldnt do if they had a big surprise up their sleeve everyone would know about it . Thats what i was getting at

Just to clarify it wasn't a member of the panel who disclosed this information! Should have been more clear it was a minor from our club not on the county squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 27, 2011, 03:03:12 PM
No idea. I was as surprised as anyone. How did they leave a team out of the SFC draw?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 27, 2011, 03:12:27 PM
down team to play armagh;

1  b mc veigh
2  d mc cartan
3  d gordon
4  b mc ardle
5  g mc cartan
6  k mc kernan
7  d rooney
8  k king
9  p fitzpatrick
10 d hughes
11 m clarke
12 m poland
13 j clarke
14 b coulter
15 p mc comiskey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 27, 2011, 03:41:04 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 27, 2011, 03:12:27 PM
down team to play armagh;

1  b mc veigh
2  d mc cartan
3  d gordon
4  b mc ardle
5  g mc cartan
6  k mc kernan
7  d rooney
8  k king
9  p fitzpatrick
10 d hughes
11 m clarke
12 m poland
13 j clarke
14 b coulter
15 p mc comiskey

Are you serious?? What is wrong with Maginn and Garvey???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 27, 2011, 03:50:41 PM
Where is this team taken from? Garvey is in the team named on the website?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 27, 2011, 04:51:37 PM
I think the team mentioned above is more likely the correct team . I would of perfered Murtagh in at FF as he is more lively than John Clarke . Donaghy couldnt handle Ronan in the league game because he ran at him John wont do this at all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 27, 2011, 04:59:28 PM
I personally have always defended John Clarke. He hasn't the individual skills of the likes of Murtagh or speed of Laverty but I think he moves a defence better than anyone in our team. He creates space for others to exploit and Marty seems to play better when he is there because Marty uses him as a target man.

Sure we can always bring Murtagh on if its not working. That's a good thing for us, we have strong reserves now. Armagh have little beyond the 15 starting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 27, 2011, 05:49:00 PM
It is a surprise that John Clarke is included as he has not started since our first league game in Mayo. However, he got a goal that night, and has never let us down whenever and wherever he has been asked to play. Marty likes picking him out and he will make space for the others and allow Benny to take up his preferred roving role. Magian is a loss, but we have other decent options on the bench if things don't work out. You can never tell in a Down/Armagh game, but we look in decent shape.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 27, 2011, 07:57:35 PM
I take it McGinn and Garvey are not fit.  As others have said i would prefer Rony in there instead of clarke.  I dont agree with never letting us down or he tries hard for the team, if u want to be in the top 4 in the country you need more from players than just not letting us down, particularly in a roll like full forward.

Clarke is a class act at club level but unfortunatley for him and us lacks the pack at the very top level.  Unlike Murtagh or even Lavery he wont be able to run at Donaghy and in my opinion will suit Brendan down to the ground. But James is the manager and he is more qualified than me to pick the team, i just feel that it is playing into Armaghs hands.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on May 27, 2011, 07:59:01 PM
can anyone tell me the whole down minor panel and the management squad for this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on May 27, 2011, 08:15:38 PM
here y is it only the senior championship being re-drawn y is the IFC not being re-drawn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 27, 2011, 09:33:46 PM
scores?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 27, 2011, 09:40:02 PM
maginn and garvey are injured. hopefully not to serious as both would be v good options from the bench. anyone any word on ambrose?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on May 28, 2011, 08:14:24 AM
I hear Burren appealed the championship draw, I hope they get Bryansford again. Bryansford must be strong favourites for championship along with Kilcoo!
Oh aye, Davy Carr from shamrocks is the next big thing in refereeing! Literally!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 28, 2011, 10:37:17 AM
Bridgelad have to agree with you the Shamrocks feed them well down there . Well looked after
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on May 28, 2011, 03:51:56 PM
Good luck to Down seniors and minors today in Armagh-UP DOWN!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down1 on May 28, 2011, 10:07:56 PM
Hard luck to Burren tonight, armagh were just the better team, thats what happens when you put a club team out against at county team!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on May 28, 2011, 10:47:53 PM
Quote from: down1 on May 28, 2011, 10:07:56 PM
Hard luck to Burren tonight, armagh were just the better team, thats what happens when you put a club team out against at county team!!!!

its a good job shorty didn't take his boots or he could have been brough on also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on May 29, 2011, 12:31:39 AM
Please explain the following -
John Clarke doesn't start a game since the first league game , he was lucky to start All Ireland final yet he starts v Armagh.
Midfield McArdle is brought on as midfield sub , where did he come from ? I know about genetics but to come on in Ulster Senior Football C'ship , I'M baffled !
The full back line has been  weak point since All Ireland and prior yet we have 2 out of 3 still there.
Who was our midfield when King went in (for a rest) to full forward?
We haven't sorted out reliable free takers from both sides.
Benny is taken off !
Our kickouts were a disaster in All Ireland Final and also in league v Cork and others and yet again v Armagh .
Ronan Murtagh , Paul Murphy ,Conor Laverty ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, unfairly treated.
Maginn injured ?  yet fit to come on after 23 mins maybe he wasn't injured but just not picked ahead of J Clarke ..............
Team weekends not everyone buying into the team ethic and starting players who are  drinking as they see fit ........
Please help to clear up these things...........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on May 29, 2011, 12:36:50 AM
B McVeigh   6   Good on the basics, serious issues on the kick-out
D McCartan   3   Brother where art thou? Sometimes passion just isn't enough.
D Gordon   5   Time to end this silly experiment – back to the centre where he is direly needed
B McArdle   6   Could do a job at 3 – gritty performance
D Rooney   6   Curate's egg stuff, good & bad – would put him at 6
K McKernan   6   Same old story we all ignore – great going forward, defensive nightmare, we can't afford a marquee player at no. 6
G McCartan   5   There is surely better outside Burren - but he was not the worst
K King      3   When he is bad he is very very bad but when he is good he is wicked – he was wickedly bad tonight , game lad but it was not game on tonight
P Fitzpatrick   3   Don't want to be too hard on a good prospect but did he turn up?
D Hughes   5   POR did his homework well – without Hughes we are toothless – a few forays but otherwise man-marked out of it
M Clarke   6   Still mixing the brilliant with the bizarre
M Poland   7   It defies all logic that he should be so good but he is
J Clarke   3   Great club player, lovely lad, great in the winter leagues – come May he is lost - would he get anywhere near the Cork team? No, didn't think so.
B Coulter   8   One leg or two he is the business, why oh why was he playing half back for half the first half? That gave Armagh the start they built on.
P McComiskey7   He knows if he even scores a hat-trick he will be taken off
C  Maginn   7   Big impact
The rest of the substitutions owed more to panic than tactics

So my man of the match didn't even  play three quarters of the game....
Time for bed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 29, 2011, 01:37:43 AM
A tough night for Down supporters. but we have been through worse and we will be back. Congratulations to a fine Armagh side who were well organised, well motivated and well...better than us when it counted in this game.

We had a disagreement among the experts in the car on the way home, but I still feel we lost it in the first ten minutes. Putting Dan McCartan on Jamie Clarke was a massive call, which turned out to be completely wrong. Clarke destroyed us until Gerard McCartan was shifted on to him and did pretty well all told. We still had a decent start, with two good points and a great take from big Dan which was unfortunately followed by a careless handpass and ten seconds later the ball was in our net. The game then turned against us, and our midfield was not able to cope.

Poland's goal was outstanding, and got us back into a contest which was almost out of sight. It looked good in the third quarter for a while, but in reality we were struggling all over the pitch and Benny's miss - which from our seat was a penalty but he should have taken the point - was the end of the story even before he limped off.

McVeigh made a couple of brilliant punches under huge pressure but his kick-outs were not of the required standard. Dan McCartan is all heart and commitment, and almost got us a goal late on, but it is difficult to believe that he could be asked to take on a forward of the quality of Jamie Clarke. If he starts the next day, it may be the defining moment for our management. Gerard McCartan is a better option in every way.

Big Dan had a strange day, but got stronger and - despite all the alternative views - it is difficult to see who could play at full back instead of him. We could have done with him at midfield and perhaps at full forward, but he can only play one role at a time. McArdle was reasonable, but Rooney and McKernan, while better pushing up, did not do their basic jobs at the back in some ways.

Midfield was probably our biggest problem.  KK had a disaster early on, improved later but the switch to the square looked like desperation. Fitzpatrick had a couple of decent moments but  could have been replaced earlier.

Danny Hughes, apart from a wonder point late on, had his worse game for some years, although Armagh had a decent game plan for him. Poland was brilliant, and may never get an All Star but deserves one. Marty was somewhere between good and excellent, and his free in the corner against a barrage of abuse was from the top drawer. If and when he goes, it will be with our best wishes.

John Clarke has been one of our best players of the last decade but it may have been one game too many and the selection did not reflect league form and has to go down as a  considerable mistake. McComiskey, as always, is a class act, and may have been replaced too soon. The word is that Benny should not have started, still played his heart out and might even have won it for us.

Of the subs, Magiinn made a huge difference and it is hard to understand why he was not deemed fit enough to start. Murtagh, sadly, did not contribute effectively and his only shot was dreadful. McArdle did not get into the game, and Laverty and Eoin McCartan were introduced at a very late stage.

The reality is that,without Ambrose - who had another setback last week - we may struggle to get to the next stage of our development. The qualifiers will be tough, and it all depends on the draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on May 29, 2011, 02:17:01 AM
Good analysis there Mourne Rover. I was unable to go to the game but it sounds desperately disappointing, I did not see a performance like this coming after our progress over the past couple of years. Decision to take off McComiskey seemed mystifying, as it was in the All Ireland Final. Optimistically we might regroup in the qualifiers like we did last year but who's to know what confidence will be like after this result? Hugely disappointing. I wonder if we might have seen the last of John Clarke, the decision to start him after hardly any game time in the league backfired majorly. I also agree with Leo that it's time to get Dan back to midfield, could play B McArdle at 3. It's an effective tactic against the likes of Donaghy but playing Dan back there is wasting one of the best midfielders in the country.

All in all, a demoralising defeat. We need to get the tails back up for the qualifiers now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on May 29, 2011, 02:19:50 AM
VG MR
And right- apart from significance of Jamie Clarke's goal. He is the real deal. Shit always happens but when a team pulls itself back to go ahead in the third quarter (well done the management but more importantly the players- especially the hungry Mourne men ) the significance of early scores decreases.
Armagh were good in all areas tonight- fair play.
We were good in most areas but 'most' doesn't win USFC games.
Dan G was wonderful. Marty and Poly were mostly the same. Conor Maginn should have been there from the start. We are back to square one. Ambrose should have got an All Star last year.Now most people will see why.
f**k it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 29, 2011, 08:06:57 AM
On full reflection, I'd suggest Down weren't actually that bad last night so much as beaten by a better team on the night.

I'd also think that should the teams meet 10 times, then Down would be the better team on 8 occasions. It just so happened last night that the likes of Mackin and Padden had their best games at county level, the likes of Mallon had their best game in years, while younger players like Dyas, Clarke and Vernon all delivered.

It's actually very hard to pick an Armagh player who was below a 7/10. They were all on song.

The dream start faciliated this though and it has to be said that Down's early complacency and confusion was the main factor behind Armagh's half-forward line transforming from Junior B to All Ireland contender standard.

If Down had have opened the game up in a cagier and more aggressive way, the result probably would have been different.

In terms of performances, Dan McC got found out a fair bit in the opening quarter, but I still think this had as much to do with the absence of protection as much as anything. While Gerard McC's greater pace was useful, by the time he got onto Clarke, the Cross man no longer had his pick of spots to run into.

McKernan had a stinker during that time, and seemed lost, but in fairness to the lad he has one of the most influential players during our comeback, and did look classy.

King and Fitz went alarmingly missing in the last 20. It's not like Armagh won more ball at midfield because of fitness or strength during this time. I wondered, like I did during the AI final, is it down to leadership when this happens; does each of them always expect the other to be the driving force?

Up front, I mentioned on the other thread that Down need shooters on the field. We'd too many playmakers on the pitch and not enough finishers. Murtagh needs to start, and if that means one of Hughes / Poland / M Clarke / Maginn misses out, then so be it.

Or forwards probably could suggest though that 1.10 on a wet night should be enough to make things competitive.

Wee James didn't have his best hour as a manager. Some of the Burren bias comments above are out of order - they are our county champions and the best defensive unit in Down. The decision to bring on Anton was a strange one (a bit like Jadon Brown last year) but that didn't cost Down the game. The bigger issues revolved around the balance and motivation of the team.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on May 29, 2011, 08:31:45 AM
The Gael, Leo, Mounre Rover, Gaberial & Dubh Driocht

All on the mark with your comments


What i could see was the lack of confidence from Down attacking when j clarke was on the field. the man is complety out of his depth and if I was j clarke i wouldnt be back out of embaressment.   what everyone seems to agree with also is that Gordan must be push out to the middle again with B mcardle put at no.3.
 
This was not the result we desired but we are still in the running even after last night.   
Heads up and lets keep supporting the lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on May 29, 2011, 09:32:35 AM
having opened brightly we then nudged the self destruct button giving the ball away in defence for the goal,however we then reduced a six point gap to two before the break.The manager saw fit to remove a forward who was not playing well but left the defence alone where we had real problems.We began the second as the first and missed a couple of chances to increase our tally.When Armagh began to assert we appeared leaderless,the guile,awareness,craft ,ability and the will to win were all wearing Armagh jerseys.The substitution calls for Down bordered on the bizarre and left many Down supporters bewildered-An empty feeling last night and its still around this morning,maybe its time for honesty that we just dont have the quality or strength in depth at the moment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 29, 2011, 12:05:00 PM
I don't want to fall out with the Wobbler, one of the most thoughtful posters on this site, but he is looking at Murtagh in Ballyholland rather than Down terms. Murtagh has been in the Down senior squad for the last decade and it is difficult to recall a single championship match when he has performed effectively as a starter. He has the ability, and is capable of making an impact as a sub, but rating him ahead of the likes of Marty, Hughes and Poland makes no sense. Murtagh has a tendency to go for dramatic long-range scores when easier options are available, and his only shot last night, after we put together a brilliant move, was pretty hopeless and deflated us at a big moment. He also tried an over-ambitious pass against Dublin in injury tiime in the league which lost us possession and led to their late goal. However, as a sub last summer, he was frequently outstanding. It would be very surprising if he starts the next day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: back off the net on May 29, 2011, 12:14:41 PM
All yous are good for is going to Dublin and kissing the ass off the Queen. Do you think the boys from south Armagh that has come though so much as a result off the Queen was going to stand back and let a team that kissed her ass a few days earlier come to Armagh and beat them? NOT A CHANCE yous should hold your heads in shame
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 29, 2011, 12:16:23 PM
Truth be told this was an awful performance and result for Down last night. Our management got it wrong in a lot of areas and where out foxed tactically by ORourke, who saved his job in orchestrating Armaghs comprehensive victory.
Down looked a very ordinary side and on the evidence of last night last year could turn out to be a one year wonder, we certainly wont get as easy a passage to the promised land.
Our management made 5 changes, subtituting 4 forwards while our defence where being destroyed. Dan McCartan is not good enough for county football, simple as. He is only on the team due to favourtism and imo is a very poor inter county footballer, i dont see what he brings to the table. Gordon is a stop gap at full back and its time to look at someonelse for this role as Dan is required in midfield. McArdle and Rooney where roasted by Paddan and Mackin respectively while McKernan, although good going forward, failed in marking playmaker Miceal ORourke. Gerard McCartan done rightly and stuck tightly to Jamie Clarke, just a pity he didnt start the game on Armaghs prolific youngster. 
King was woeful in the first half, although he improved in the second half while Fitzpatrick was average as he usually is. I believe we require a new midfield partnership going forward and i would be picking Dan Gordon along with Murphy or Colgan. Colgan also could revert to the sweeper role as he does it more effectivly that McKernan.
Our attack faltered last night, Marty tried hard while Poland was superb in the first half. McComiskey had some good moments while Maginn worked his socks off. Benny didnt look sharp while the decision to start Clarkey backfired. Lavertys performance in recent weeks in friendlys and at training merited a start and he would have offered much more. Murtagh, like Benny was not match fit imo, not having played club football this year due to an ankle injury.
The Anton McArdle subtitution was hard to understand. If he was from any other club rather than Burren he wouldnt be near the place.
Back to the drawing board and hopefully the management learn from their mistakes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on May 29, 2011, 12:16:55 PM
i think Aidan Carr and Paul Murphy need to start the next day. somtimes a change of players does the team alot of good.  i would also try playing with a3 man fflline. but just remember the seasons a long way from being over
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on May 29, 2011, 01:31:45 PM
hey james; why didnt you take on your da. sorry i foregot he is not from burren. :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 29, 2011, 02:20:06 PM
Some of the ratings on here are strange, Dan Gordon keeps stevie mcdonald scoreless from play and gets a lower rating than benny mccardle who make BJP look like a superstar and who scores 4 points on him!!!

2 massive mistakes at the start from the management which could have cost down the game imo, Dan McCartan starting on jamie clarke and john clarke starting.  Dan was never going to be able to mark clarke, why he didnt start on BJP i will never no.  I felt sorry for John Clarke, hasnt played since feb and then is expected to play in that match last night. 

Did everybody else not see Rony Murtagh destroy Donaghy a few months ago yet he got 15 mins on him last night!!!

The anton mccardle substitution was a bit like the jason brown one last year although to be fair the management could see they were getting destroyed at midfield and must have been trying to mix it up a bit.  Obv colgen would have been a option if fit and maybe murphy could have come in but other than that there wasnt many other options at midfield other than mccardle.

Other things i noted were that gerrard mccartan did a sterling job on a very good player, need to get mckernan out of CHB and danny had his worst game in many a year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 29, 2011, 03:27:24 PM
Can anyone confirm was Tom O'Hare and Danny Kelly in Dublin meeting the queen.. I heard this last night???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on May 29, 2011, 03:31:26 PM
Can anyone shed light on how Peter Fitzpatrick played last night? Have always found him a very frustrating player to watch as he mixes the excellent with the ridiculous at times. I wonder if there will still be a place for Peter on the team when Ambrose returns to full fitness.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 29, 2011, 04:03:12 PM
Just like to say no word of Alba2 after his anaylis of the two teams last week in the build up to the game. Some of the choices last night was unbelievable . Why start with John Clarke why Anton Mc Ardle why perservere with Daniel on Jamie Clarke . I said last week about Mc Kernan needs to remember he is a defender which he doesnt do how many times did they run right through the middle un opposed not good enough as a chb . People critised Colgan at chb said he was too slow this didnt happen when he was no 6 . Somone else said about murtagh starting in place of Hughes/M Clarke /Maginn /or Poland are you wise these men our the hearbeat of this team with their workrate maybe not last night but normally are . Maginn came on and was Downs best player where as Ronan came on and didnt contribute at all except to do what he did against Dublin and balloon the ball in instead of trying to work a score hasnt learnt anything from Dublin. This game relly showed our lack of options all over the field . I thought that Paul Murphy should of got a run when the probelms were all around the mid field at least he would of drove forward . Big probelm too that none of our men can kick the ball forward accurately bar Martin clarke all to content to off load a short hand pass . Aidan Carr at least can kick good quality ball in the forwards and he wasnt even on the panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 29, 2011, 04:29:34 PM
Down minors defeat was also hard to stomach last night. They where cruising up until the last 15 minutes and somehow threw a ten point lead away. Pete McGrath had a lot to do with this as he never changed an outplayed midfield and let Miskelly persist with kick outs straight out the middle to the dominant Armagh pairing and the roving Paul McGeown who was outstanding.
Darragh OHanlon should have been dropped into centre half back as the middle was left open too ofter in the latter stages especially.
This was a side who had the ability to claim an Ulster title at least and its hard to believe the way they threw it away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 29, 2011, 04:39:26 PM
Quote from: downjim on May 29, 2011, 03:27:24 PM
Can anyone confirm was Tom O'Hare and Danny Kelly in Dublin meeting the queen.. I heard this last night???

LOL you tube!!! That correct, Kelly's hand was seen lifting the pint of stout Philly left in the storehouse  :) :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 29, 2011, 04:41:28 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 29, 2011, 04:29:34 PM
Down minors defeat was also hard to stomach last night. They where cruising up until the last 15 minutes and somehow threw a ten point lead away. Pete McGrath had a lot to do with this as he never changed an outplayed midfield and let Miskelly persist with kick outs straight out the middle to the dominant Armagh pairing and the roving Paul McGeown who was outstanding.
Darragh OHanlon should have been dropped into centre half back as the middle was left open too ofter in the latter stages especially.
This was a side who had the ability to claim an Ulster title at least and its hard to believe the way they threw it away.

I was disappointed my club mate Jamie Barr never was called into midfield as he played all the league games and is a great fielder of the ball. centre half back was a problem as well as the middle and Darragh would have been ideal for that position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 29, 2011, 04:42:19 PM
Agree 100% Mid Down Gael management looked like startled birds not knowing what to do never even tried a short kick out at all kept kicking it to Mc Geown . It really was a good job Shay Mc Cartan was playing or the scoreboard would of looked alot worse . Defence was all over the place right through the second half yet nothing was done to sort it out poor performance .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on May 29, 2011, 05:44:19 PM
well done pete first the under 21;s and now the minors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 29, 2011, 07:27:59 PM
both matches last night were as equally frustrating as they were disappointing. the management of both the minors and the seniors have to take the blame as it was obvious were the weaknesses were and they were to slow to make changes.

theres not to many teams that score 5 goals and lose. questions need to be asked of the management how that was allowed to happen.

the seniors were really disappointing and showed just how limited some of our options are all over the field. thought our star names just didnt show. armagh seemed to want it more for which there is no excuse. as for being tactically out thought by POR i didnt see that coming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on May 29, 2011, 08:54:38 PM
Please explain the following -
John Clarke doesn't start a game since the first league game , he was lucky to start All Ireland final yet he starts v Armagh.
Midfield McArdle is brought on as midfield sub , where did he come from ? I know about genetics but to come on in Ulster Senior Football C'ship , I'M baffled !
The full back line has been  weak point since All Ireland and prior yet we have 2 out of 3 still there.
Who was our midfield when King went in (for a rest) to full forward?
We haven't sorted out reliable free takers from both sides.
Benny is taken off !
Our kickouts were a disaster in All Ireland Final and also in league v Cork and others and yet again v Armagh .
Ronan Murtagh , Paul Murphy ,Conor Laverty ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, unfairly treated.
Maginn injured ?  yet fit to come on after 23 mins maybe he wasn't injured but just not picked ahead of J Clarke ..............
Team weekends not everyone buying into the team ethic and starting players who are  drinking as they see fit ........
Please help to clear up these things...........
I want answers to the above .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 29, 2011, 09:36:26 PM
Without adding to the general sense of gloom after Saturday night, the result means that we have won just two of the last 30 Ulster senior championships. Considering our traditions, and the quality of players available to us, that is a pretty appalling record. Of course, the qualifiers mean that the provincial series is less important than it was but our performances in the open draw - apart from 2010 - have also been poor.

Our underage results in Ulster  are only marginally better over the same 30 year period, with three minor wins and five at u21 level. Across the three grades, we have therefore managed ten provincial titles out of the last 90 available. If those 90 titles had been divided equally among the nine counties, ten is exactly the average figure we could have expected. In other words, in the modern era, we have simply been an average Ulster county.

It is possible that the two All Ireland wins in 91 and 94, and the run to the final last year, have given us an inflated sense of our standing, and it is probably true that other teams regard us as a major scalp and tend to raise their game against us significantly. However, all in all, the evidence is that there has often been something lacking in our approach to championship football. Saturday night was a disappointment, but it should not have been a surprise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on May 29, 2011, 09:39:28 PM
We were beaten by a hungrier team who looked like they wanted to prove a point. A lot of Down folk thought all we had to do was turn up & we would beat Armagh out the gate but Championship Football has a funny habit of biting you in the ass.
On the game Down were all over the lace early on. Our forward line was getting no change from a stubborn Armagh defense & middle of the park the less said the better.
Wee James needs to take off the Burren tinted glasses. Yes they are County Champions & deservedly so but how his management team & himself can justify some of their decisions is beyond me.
Guys like Paul Murphy who by all accounts had started the Down League campaign in  marvellous form in midfield watches a guy come on & play midfield when it could be argued he shouldnt be even on the panel. He mustve been wondering why he came back at all. The politics of it are quite sad. Young guys would be better off develoing with their clubs & actually earning their place on the County Squad instead of being brought in because they were going rightly at U-21 or look to be one for the future.
Its simply not good enough when theres other fellas sitting there knowing they could do a better job.
Its the same for young fellas like Paul Devlin. What good are they to anyone when they are missing valuable club games to sit in the stand for the county??
Admittedly we had a few injuries yesterday but Armagh also were limited through casualties.
No excuses at all better team won. But with better decision making by the management team a poor Down team couldve got out the gate with a win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on May 29, 2011, 11:09:01 PM
I have a lot of respect for Pete McGrath, but last night he (because they lost the game) cancelled the minor's meal after the game.
What point was he trying to prove by doing this ridiculous action? Shocking way to treat young fellas who were undoubtably hurting after the defeat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on May 29, 2011, 11:39:22 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on May 29, 2011, 11:09:01 PM
I have a lot of respect for Pete McGrath, but last night he (because they lost the game) cancelled the minor's meal after the game.
What point was he trying to prove by doing this ridiculous action? Shocking way to treat young fellas who were undoubtably hurting after the defeat.

he thought this was the only course of action he could take after hearing someone in the crowd commenting that the minor team wern't hungry enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on May 30, 2011, 12:23:43 AM
Quote from: back off the net on May 29, 2011, 12:14:41 PM
All yous are good for is going to Dublin and kissing the ass off the Queen. Do you think the boys from south Armagh that has come though so much as a result off the Queen was going to stand back and let a team that kissed her ass a few days earlier come to Armagh and beat them? NOT A CHANCE yous should hold your heads in shame
To back OFF the net! It sounds to me when men were involved in conflict with Libby Windsor's force's you were filling your nappy! Now you're talking it. Hard luck to Down, we were in it for 50mins but never won a ball in midfeild last 20 mins. If you don't have the ball you can't play. We miss big Dan G awfull in the middle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on May 30, 2011, 12:32:16 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on May 29, 2011, 11:39:22 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on May 29, 2011, 11:09:01 PM
I have a lot of respect for Pete McGrath, but last night he (because they lost the game) cancelled the minor's meal after the game.
What point was he trying to prove by doing this ridiculous action? Shocking way to treat young fellas who were undoubtably hurting after the defeat.

he thought this was the only course of action he could take after hearing someone in the crowd commenting that the minor team wern't hungry enough.

His way of deflecting the blame from where it really lies. A crime to win nothing with that team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on May 30, 2011, 09:06:07 AM
Quote from: passedit on May 30, 2011, 12:32:16 AM
Quote from: mournerambler on May 29, 2011, 11:39:22 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on May 29, 2011, 11:09:01 PM
I have a lot of respect for Pete McGrath, but last night he (because they lost the game) cancelled the minor's meal after the game.
What point was he trying to prove by doing this ridiculous action? Shocking way to treat young fellas who were undoubtably hurting after the defeat.

he thought this was the only course of action he could take after hearing someone in the crowd commenting that the minor team wern't hungry enough.

His way of deflecting the blame from where it really lies. A crime to win nothing with that team.

An apalling decision - have we no county board to over-rule such treatment of young amateur sportsmen whose manager has just let them down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 30, 2011, 09:18:37 AM
I've no idea what happened in the minor game, but to lose a 15 point lead - mostly through frees - takes some amount of disorganisation and confusion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 30, 2011, 09:49:32 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 30, 2011, 09:18:37 AM
I've no idea what happened in the minor game, but to lose a 15 point lead - mostly through frees - takes some amount of disorganisation and confusion.
Agree, especially with the last bit, but to cancell the dinner is an appaulling decision, oh look at me and what i can do, those kids will be gutted by the nature of the loss, but to treated that way is over the top imho
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 30, 2011, 10:04:29 AM
Although we had a reasonably good league campaign, what did we learn from it? There was little or no experimentation with players at all. After Saturdays defeat people are calling for Gordon to be moved back to midfield, but surely he should have played some of the league partnering both Fitzpatrick and King to see who he gels with most.
Fitzpatrick and King have been our midfield almost exclusively since Ambrose got injured, seemingly in the hope they would get better with each game, unfortunately this hasn't been the case. We are going into the qualifiers now and some changes are going to have to be made but you could argue it isnt the right place to be experimenting.
I still wouldn't rule us out of having a good summer if we can get a decent draw to start with and get a bit of momentum going, we still have a good squad but we were outfought and well beat by Armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 30, 2011, 10:34:23 AM
The lead was never at 15 points maybe 10 at the most but in all honesty the keeper should of known himself to try a short kickout all he did was boom them down the field . We have wasted 3 good minor teams this last 3 years 2 with Mark Turley and co and one of them was an all ireland semi final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 30, 2011, 10:59:35 AM
Why would the minors be taken out for something to eat when the seniors are fed in the dressing room after the game . Cant see the county board taking the minors out for a meal and not the seniors
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 30, 2011, 11:05:04 AM
2 Down selectors attended bryansford v burren only 4 weeks ago - a blind man would have seen that night that Dan McCartan was out of his depth, are these selectors doing their job? incidently that night we scored 1.17 and 4 of the down defenders were doing the same job for burren!
add to the fact 'axed' joe ireland cleaned out mcardle in the middle and 'axed' luke howard ran the ford defence with ease from number 6, the senior management need to be asked question on the squad they picked for the campaign.
How is it Down always seem hit by hamstring injuries at this time of year - is the training right?
Defence getting roasted - replace a corner forward? would clarke not have been an option at LHB at that stage?
Is Liam Doyle anyway near fit?

If people want to watch burren they can go along on friday night.
I thought we were going to use Paddy O'Rourke as all his other club mates were on!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 30, 2011, 11:43:04 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 30, 2011, 11:05:04 AM
2 Down selectors attended bryansford v burren only 4 weeks ago - a blind man would have seen that night that Dan McCartan was out of his depth, are these selectors doing their job? incidently that night we scored 1.17 and 4 of the down defenders were doing the same job for burren!
add to the fact 'axed' joe ireland cleaned out mcardle in the middle and 'axed' luke howard ran the ford defence with ease from number 6, the senior management need to be asked question on the squad they picked for the campaign.
How is it Down always seem hit by hamstring injuries at this time of year - is the training right?
Defence getting roasted - replace a corner forward? would clarke not have been an option at LHB at that stage?
Is Liam Doyle anyway near fit?

If people want to watch burren they can go along on friday night.
I thought we were going to use Paddy O'Rourke as all his other club mates were on!!!

Well said. The Burren bias has to stop. 8 Burren men on Down panel and all average enough apart from McKernan and Gerard McCartan. Anton McArdle faided to start for the county under 21s in their opening game this year and was a sub when Burren lost the league final last year having lost his place from the championship winning team. But come May he is used in the Ulster senior championship, when we have much better options in Colgan, Carr, Murphy etc... in reserve not to mention many other better midfielders not on the squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 30, 2011, 11:46:27 AM
I didnt post immediately after the game because i actually couldnt get my head round how we lost BOTH games on Saturday evening. I left the Athletic grounds angry and upset over a number of things.

1. The team is getting clearly wiped out in the middle sector and we take our corner forward off. Surely with the quality of coach/trainer/selector/eye in the stand/manager that someone can see this!
2. The armagh management team are a mickey mouse outfit but their team looked sharper and fitter than our guys?? Someone touched on here before about the injuries?? What are we actually doing at training?
3. I will not get personal about James younger brother but he should have been replaced after 15mins. Not fair on the lad to leave him hanging out to dry like that.
4. The burren players are not an issue for me, their current county champions so they deserve to be on the panel BUT!! if young Eoin cant get a start for Burren why do we need to bring him into an inter county championship tie? Are the rest that bad??
5. The minor debacle!! where do we start?? I said on this forum a long time ago Peter Mc Grath is a complete legend, but his appointment was a major major step back!! That was a crime that team didnt walk Ulster!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 30, 2011, 12:22:42 PM
Its only my opinion and maybe well of the mark but i think we are getting alot more injuries training on the 3g pitch at the Abbey . TI read an article about there being no give in the surface of a 3g pitch and in America alot of them are being taken up . Another thing the grass pitch in the Abbey is full of divits and holes it is that bad that at training there is cones put over the top of them to try an avoid injury to the players . I noticed this one night while out walking . In recent weeks two players have gone over on their ankles and had bad sprains
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on May 30, 2011, 12:39:38 PM
I agree with Spirit on this.....Ive watched club games & seen boys who are supposedly the elite of the county get cleaned. Now I know that everyone has off nights & bad games but its blatantly obvious there is other issues here.
Genuine question would Anton McArdle be on the county squad if not from Burren? Its not his fault he is being selected. But if your struggling to hold down your position on your club team but are on the county panel then something is badly wrong with the selection process.
On Eoin McCartan its mind boggling as its well known the fella sint fit to train even with his club let alone be representing Down?
He is a terrific footballer but if any other Burren player actually deserved a call up in my opinion it would Eamon Toner.
James needs to go away & take a serious look with his selectors at some of the decisions currently being made.
Last year was the best year of football the county has had in a long time. To ruin that progress with poor decisions & stubborness would be a massive dissapointment.

I believe James is the right man for the job and the team he has with him have done an excellent job. But we need to start going out & picking the best footballers in the county instead of the stupid politics of it all that seems to be the case at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 30, 2011, 01:20:30 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 30, 2011, 11:43:04 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 30, 2011, 11:05:04 AM
2 Down selectors attended bryansford v burren only 4 weeks ago - a blind man would have seen that night that Dan McCartan was out of his depth, are these selectors doing their job? incidently that night we scored 1.17 and 4 of the down defenders were doing the same job for burren!
add to the fact 'axed' joe ireland cleaned out mcardle in the middle and 'axed' luke howard ran the ford defence with ease from number 6, the senior management need to be asked question on the squad they picked for the campaign.
How is it Down always seem hit by hamstring injuries at this time of year - is the training right?
Defence getting roasted - replace a corner forward? would clarke not have been an option at LHB at that stage?
Is Liam Doyle anyway near fit?

If people want to watch burren they can go along on friday night.
I thought we were going to use Paddy O'Rourke as all his other club mates were on!!!

Well said. The Burren bias has to stop. 8 Burren men on Down panel and all average enough apart from McKernan and Gerard McCartan. Anton McArdle faided to start for the county under 21s in their opening game this year and was a sub when Burren lost the league final last year having lost his place from the championship winning team. But come May he is used in the Ulster senior championship, when we have much better options in Colgan, Carr, Murphy etc... in reserve not to mention many other better midfielders not on the squad.


A few inaccuracies here.

Declan Rooney didnt play against ford that night and McKernan was midfield.  So 2 of saturdays defence played in burrens defence that night

Anton McCardle played in the forward line that night so i dont no how joe ireland cleaned him out if joe was indeed played in midfield.  The same lad didnt start for the under 21's as he wasnt fit to start, having had an operation during the off season.  It wasnt that he wasnt picked to start.

James Colgen is injured and wasnt fit to come on saturday.

Lads if yas are going to come on and slate management and certain players then I suggest yous get ur facts right before doing so!!  Also the fact that some are talking about getting clarke and doyle back into the defense means yous are living in fantasy land.  Its not 1999 ffs.  Clarke will most likely not play for the county again never mind at wing back and doyle has been on the panel all year and it is quite clear that the management dont see him as a viable option

I didnt see Dan McCartan or Declan Rooney getting much abuse last year on the way to an all ireland final!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on May 30, 2011, 01:23:18 PM
people need to relax.  Theres no all ireland in this Down team and that will be proven even more over the next few months.  We just need to keep supporting them and try and push them on as far as they can go. This the same bunch of lads that give us a great summer last year and now people are turning their backs on them. Grow up and look forward to our next game and maybe the wagon will get back on track. An Dun abu
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 30, 2011, 01:55:26 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 30, 2011, 01:20:30 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 30, 2011, 11:43:04 AM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 30, 2011, 11:05:04 AM
2 Down selectors attended bryansford v burren only 4 weeks ago - a blind man would have seen that night that Dan McCartan was out of his depth, are these selectors doing their job? incidently that night we scored 1.17 and 4 of the down defenders were doing the same job for burren!
add to the fact 'axed' joe ireland cleaned out mcardle in the middle and 'axed' luke howard ran the ford defence with ease from number 6, the senior management need to be asked question on the squad they picked for the campaign.
How is it Down always seem hit by hamstring injuries at this time of year - is the training right?
Defence getting roasted - replace a corner forward? would clarke not have been an option at LHB at that stage?
Is Liam Doyle anyway near fit?

If people want to watch burren they can go along on friday night.
I thought we were going to use Paddy O'Rourke as all his other club mates were on!!!

Well said. The Burren bias has to stop. 8 Burren men on Down panel and all average enough apart from McKernan and Gerard McCartan. Anton McArdle faided to start for the county under 21s in their opening game this year and was a sub when Burren lost the league final last year having lost his place from the championship winning team. But come May he is used in the Ulster senior championship, when we have much better options in Colgan, Carr, Murphy etc... in reserve not to mention many other better midfielders not on the squad.


A few inaccuracies here.

Declan Rooney didnt play against ford that night and McKernan was midfield.  So 2 of saturdays defence played in burrens defence that night

Anton McCardle played in the forward line that night so i dont no how joe ireland cleaned him out if joe was indeed played in midfield.  The same lad didnt start for the under 21's as he wasnt fit to start, having had an operation during the off season.  It wasnt that he wasnt picked to start.

James Colgen is injured and wasnt fit to come on saturday.

Lads if yas are going to come on and slate management and certain players then I suggest yous get ur facts right before doing so!!  Also the fact that some are talking about getting clarke and doyle back into the defense means yous are living in fantasy land.  Its not 1999 ffs.  Clarke will most likely not play for the county again never mind at wing back and doyle has been on the panel all year and it is quite clear that the management dont see him as a viable option

I didnt see Dan McCartan or Declan Rooney getting much abuse last year on the way to an all ireland final!!

Fair enough rooney might not have played. McArdle and McKernan started in the positions but were moved when nothing was happening for them.
Burren won the Down Championship fair enough but no way does it warrant the number in the squad - how many Crossmaglen lads are in Armagh's panel? interesting.
people pay alot to watch county teams and are entitled to question things, without them it cant be played.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 30, 2011, 03:16:55 PM
8 - the same number of Burren players in downs, your point?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on May 30, 2011, 03:24:10 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 30, 2011, 03:16:55 PM
8 - the same number of Burren players in downs, your point?

my point is they have nothing to prove.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 30, 2011, 03:32:03 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on May 30, 2011, 03:24:10 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 30, 2011, 03:16:55 PM
8 - the same number of Burren players in downs, your point?

my point is they have nothing to prove.

fair play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on May 30, 2011, 04:26:34 PM
Talk about the burren players all yous like but here a good one............................... Conor Laverty Discuss
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on May 30, 2011, 05:41:06 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on May 30, 2011, 04:26:34 PM
Talk about the burren players all yous like but here a good one............................... Conor Laverty Discuss
Try marking him sometime!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 30, 2011, 05:48:46 PM
Don't know how people get away with this level of personal abuse on here  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on May 30, 2011, 05:58:09 PM
heard the senior c'ship is being re-drawn tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on May 30, 2011, 07:48:21 PM
Quote from: 13aside on May 30, 2011, 05:58:09 PM
heard the senior c'ship is being re-drawn tonight
next monday I heard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 30, 2011, 07:55:45 PM
Burren now have 7 county panalists ( Cathal Murdock not on it anymore from what i understand )

McKernan - deserved
Rooney - Deserved
Dan McCartan - Deserved
Gerrard McCartan - Deserved
McCardle - Not ready
Sean Murdock - Not ready if ever
Eoin McCarten - Not fit enough

IMO there should be 4 on the down panel from burren with possibly mccardle as part of a development squad. 

The abuse Dan McCartan gets on here is unreal, yes he was getting a roasting by clarke but he wasnt the first that that will happen to or the last.  People are saying he should have been taken off after 15 mins, does that usually happen to defenders? I thought the majority of the time players are switched onto another player instead of being replaced.  Dan did do a reasonable job on O Rourke who was giving mckernan plenty of trouble.  I dont see benny mccardle getting much stick having been destroyed by BJP who wouldnt have near the same ability as clarke.  People also forget that Dan was one of our better defenders last year in the run to the final.

On Conor Lavery, he is one of the best club footballers about but I think he has proven over the last 2 years that he is more than worth his place on the panel.  He wouldnt be in my top 8 but again he gets alot of unfair treatment on here.

On Anton McCardle, he has great potential but is not ready for this stage imo.  In fairness to James he couldnt call upon the likes of Ambrose or Colgen but suppose Murphy could have been an option.  Where are all these other midfielders in the county that should be on the panel?  Are we going back to the Marty McClean, Jackie Lynch, Declan Sheerin, Stephen Kearney days?  Please tell me no!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 30, 2011, 08:48:37 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on May 30, 2011, 04:26:34 PM
Talk about the burren players all yous like but here a good one............................... Conor Laverty Discuss

On the evidence of performances in friendlys and training Laverty deserved a starting role on Saturday. Many of the players back this up and he has gave his all in every game he has featured in.
He destroyed Andy Mallon, who cleaned All star Hughes on saturday, in Februarys league meeting and played very well against Galway and all ireland champions Cork in this years national league. He also helped in Downs comeback against the Kingdom in our final league game, setting up a goal for Benny.
So to come on here without knowing the facts of a player who has had a decent season to date  and ask posters to discuss his inclusion is Ludicrous.
Benny Coulter and Marty Clarke have been on record saying they enjoy Lavertys presence in the forward line. his speed of thought, cuteness and his ability to orchestrate scores for others add greatly to Downs attack.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 30, 2011, 09:13:25 PM
It's going to take some time for the gloom to lift, but it's fair to say that arguments can be made for and against the calls made by our management on Saturday. We were hampered by injuries, and it was probably only through their absence that we realised how important Rafferty and Garvey were last summer. Colgan would have given us a great option at midfield or centre half if he had been available, and Benny's hamstring was never likely to last 70 minutes. The feeling was probably that he would have been vulnerable in a central role but stood more chance of surviving on the wing with John Clarke on the square.

The problem was that John played in our first league game back in early February but had not featured since then and there was always a danger that he would be off the pace. Hooking him after less than 25 minutes was harsh, given that our main problems were at the other end, but he was having difficulty getting into the game.

What was really surprising was that the six starting defenders, who all found themselves under pressure at different times, were still there as a unit by the final whistle. Dan McCartan proved that he has what it takes at Croke Park, but when he has an off-day he should be replaced. Throwing in Murphy at the back at an early stage would have made much more sense than making a raft of dubious changes to the forward line when it was probably to late to make any difference.

Maginn was the only one of our subs to make any impact, and, as we failed to score in the last 15 minutes, the switches up front plainly did us little good.

It's too early to starting thinking about the line-up for the qualifiers in any detail, but those who are suggesting that big Dan should go back to midfield must have forgotten how many goals we conceded from basic thumps down the middle before he became our full back. The opening quarter in Donegal last summer was probably the worst example, but there were many others along the way, and McArdle certainly did not look like a serious rival for the position in Armagh. Dan may well go to midfield eventually, but, having kept McDonnell scoreless at the Athletic Grounds, he should stay put for now.

We have to hope that the missing faces come back as soon as possible - although it is looking like a long-term project for Ambrose - and that our big names regain their form of last year. The management were able to lift us after the Tyrone game last summer, and they need to do it again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on May 30, 2011, 09:38:18 PM
No-one would surely deny that Laverty is well worthy of a place in the squad. You can see him in club games, he pulls a lot of strings and someone used the term cuteness there, spot on. He is clever, picks out a pass alot of other players wouldnt see and is a serious handful. The thing that is always said about him though is that he isn't strong enough for the inter county game. Which is true enough. I would love to see what kind of influence he would have if he started, I reckon he would perform better, than as a super sub kind of role. And oh aye, he dives too much. His younger brother is going the same way too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on May 30, 2011, 10:23:42 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 30, 2011, 11:46:27 AM
I didnt post immediately after the game because i actually couldnt get my head round how we lost BOTH games on Saturday evening. I left the Athletic grounds angry and upset over a number of things.

1. The team is getting clearly wiped out in the middle sector and we take our corner forward off. Surely with the quality of coach/trainer/selector/eye in the stand/manager that someone can see this!
2. The armagh management team are a mickey mouse outfit but their team looked sharper and fitter than our guys?? Someone touched on here before about the injuries?? What are we actually doing at training?
3. I will not get personal about James younger brother but he should have been replaced after 15mins. Not fair on the lad to leave him hanging out to dry like that.
4. The burren players are not an issue for me, their current county champions so they deserve to be on the panel BUT!! if young Eoin cant get a start for Burren why do we need to bring him into an inter county championship tie? Are the rest that bad??
5. The minor debacle!! where do we start?? I said on this forum a long time ago Peter Mc Grath is a complete legend, but his appointment was a major major step back!! That was a crime that team didnt walk Ulster!!

Well if thats the case - ours must be worse.  Armagh have Paul Mc Grane in, Oisin Mc Conville in, Murtagh, O'Rourke - all - all Ireland winners, Mike Mc Gurn who is renowned fitness coach and O'Hare from Burren who lots in our county rate highly. How do you rate our overpaid underachieving coaches???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 30, 2011, 11:34:11 PM
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if thats the case - ours must be worse.  Armagh have Paul Mc Grane in, Oisin Mc Conville in, Murtagh, O'Rourke - all - all Ireland winners, Mike Mc Gurn who is renowned fitness coach and O'Hare from Burren who lots in our county rate highly. How do you rate our overpaid underachieving coaches???
Wise up Paul talk sense will you all we lost was a game of football against Armagh doesnt make our team or backroom team bad and doesnt make POR a messiah . As for Mc Gurn not so long ago Armagh people were saying the players were too bulky but now he is the best trainer in ireland .O Hare highly rated in our county by who the ladies team if he was a keen Down man what was he doing dressed head to toe in orange and white .Mc Grane and Mc Conville only there this last few weeks hardly part of the management set up . POR was an all ireland winner when he was with us and look what good it did . As for our underachieving backroom team take a look at last year not going to go on any more but wise up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on May 30, 2011, 11:35:49 PM


Well if thats the case - ours must be worse.  Armagh have Paul Mc Grane in, Oisin Mc Conville in, Murtagh, O'Rourke - all - all Ireland winners, Mike Mc Gurn who is renowned fitness coach and O'Hare from Burren who lots in our county rate highly. How do you rate our overpaid underachieving coaches???
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Our coaches are getting paid?? :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 30, 2011, 11:54:59 PM
Hedgehunter our coaches are from what i have heard are getting their expenses not the sort of salary Mc Gurn is reportly getting in Armagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on May 31, 2011, 08:44:46 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on May 30, 2011, 11:34:11 PM
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Wise up Paul talk sense will you all we lost was a game of football against Armagh doesnt make our team or backroom team bad and doesnt make POR a messiah . As for Mc Gurn not so long ago Armagh people were saying the players were too bulky but now he is the best trainer in ireland .O Hare highly rated in our county by who the ladies team if he was a keen Down man what was he doing dressed head to toe in orange and white .Mc Grane and Mc Conville only there this last few weeks hardly part of the management set up . POR was an all ireland winner when he was with us and look what good it did . As for our underachieving backroom team take a look at last year not going to go on any more but wise up

Yes all we lost was a game of football - but all my point was is that someone came on here slating their management set - up - well they must be doing something right... O'Rourke was winner with us and look what good it did - what the hell does that mean.  the county board got rid of him when he wanted another season with the group he had.  OHare was with the u21s in 2005 when they got to the all Ireland Final and i know the lads in my club rate him - what is he supposed to do wear down gear just caus he is from the county - even tho he works for another county now? Did Mc Cartan approach him to take him in - surprised he didnt caus the rest of Burren are there at present.  And how about you wise up - lets look at last year and yes we had a great long summer and many memories - but we didnt do what we set out to do - WIN..  We played in 2 national finals and won damn all - thats a great return for a season. NOT. and if you honestly think Mc Ilvor and Tally are leaving Ballinderry and |Galbally twice or three times a week for "expenses" - then you really do live in a bubble. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 31, 2011, 08:59:13 AM
Saturday had several problems, player selection was certainly one. Anton McCardle should not have been brought on. Laverty is a player for fast dry pitches, where he can use his pace. Dan McCartan should have been taken off and replaced, as he was having an off-day. While Gordon should not be moved to midfield due to his effectiveness at fullback, he certainly should have a more fluid role, moving to midfield to help out when things are going badly. If he had gone there for the middle of 2nd half we would have stopped the Armagh momentum and probably have edged the game. While our attack is fluid, our defence is rigid, players get given a location to play in and stay there. But in attack the forwards play out of position for large periods of the game.

But lets face it the biggest problem was that only one team came with the burning desire to win. Armagh fought harder for posession.

All tactical discussions aside what Down need is simply to enter games with passionate determination, we have the skill in our team to then beat most teams.

Of course (and I'm not saying this is fair excuse, or it is reasonable) a dry pitch would have made, and will make, a hell of a difference to this Down team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 31, 2011, 11:04:23 AM
Pauly having all ireland medals in the backroom team doesnt make them tactical genius on the line thats what i was stating . Its long long ago por and his team were being ridiculed by all in their own county so i fail to understand how a win for them makes them the dream team and defeat makes James and co so bad over night . In my opinion por didnt deserve another year with Down because he was taking them nowhere . We only moved forward when James Mc Ilvor and Tally came on to the scene after Ross stint in charge. I know we won nothing last year but at the start of the year we didnt think we would be in the All Ireland final did we which in my view is progress .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on May 31, 2011, 01:13:00 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on May 30, 2011, 10:23:42 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 30, 2011, 11:46:27 AM
I didnt post immediately after the game because i actually couldnt get my head round how we lost BOTH games on Saturday evening. I left the Athletic grounds angry and upset over a number of things.

1. The team is getting clearly wiped out in the middle sector and we take our corner forward off. Surely with the quality of coach/trainer/selector/eye in the stand/manager that someone can see this!
2. The armagh management team are a mickey mouse outfit but their team looked sharper and fitter than our guys?? Someone touched on here before about the injuries?? What are we actually doing at training?
3. I will not get personal about James younger brother but he should have been replaced after 15mins. Not fair on the lad to leave him hanging out to dry like that.
4. The burren players are not an issue for me, their current county champions so they deserve to be on the panel BUT!! if young Eoin cant get a start for Burren why do we need to bring him into an inter county championship tie? Are the rest that bad??
5. The minor debacle!! where do we start?? I said on this forum a long time ago Peter Mc Grath is a complete legend, but his appointment was a major major step back!! That was a crime that team didnt walk Ulster!!

Well if thats the case - ours must be worse.  Armagh have Paul Mc Grane in, Oisin Mc Conville in, Murtagh, O'Rourke - all - all Ireland winners, Mike Mc Gurn who is renowned fitness coach and O'Hare from Burren who lots in our county rate highly. How do you rate our overpaid underachieving coaches???

and if you honestly think Mc Ilvor and Tally are leaving Ballinderry and |Galbally twice or three times a week for "expenses" - then you really do live in a bubble.


please do enlighten the rest of us lesser informed gaels of their payments pauly2, you appear to be in the know???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack4ever on May 31, 2011, 02:23:16 PM
[Well if thats the case - ours must be worse.  Armagh have Paul Mc Grane in, Oisin Mc Conville in, Murtagh, O'Rourke - all - all Ireland winners, Mike Mc Gurn who is renowned fitness coach and O'Hare from Burren who lots in our county rate highly. How do you rate our overpaid underachieving coaches???
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and if you honestly think Mc Ilvor and Tally are leaving Ballinderry and |Galbally twice or three times a week for "expenses" - then you really do live in a bubble.


please do enlighten the rest of us lesser informed gaels of their payments pauly2, you appear to be in the know???
[/quote]

Yeah pauly2, inquiring minds want to know how you've come across this information? 

I really am getting fed up with listening to what some poster are saying about the Burren players. Not that myself and Mr. redandblack4ever would ever be considered as being fans of the Burren club, but they are the current Senior County Champions.

I don't think that pointing fingers at anyone proves anything. Face it, Saturday night just wasn't our night. At least the Senior team has the qualifiers to look forward to. 

I wish someone would inform me of what happened in the Minor game. My heart breaks for them.

Mrs. redandblack4ever
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on May 31, 2011, 06:06:38 PM
Seriously - there is no way these two men come all the way to down to train for expenses.  |Its being buried in the expenses for the county somewhere.  We are not the only county to be paying trainers but its def happening.  Lets snap outta the trance lads.  Yes Burren are county champions - but Kilcoo were in same position the year before and had 3 or 4 on the panel at the start and then 2 by the time of the AIF.  Mc Kernan, G Mc Cartan are really worth their places on the team - Rooney is average and has bad attitude - he didnt play against the Ford about a month ago caus he didnt train with his club in the week leading up to it - fair play to Dawson for dropping him from the panel for this breach.  Duffin is a better player than him anyhow.  Sean Murdock like so many others was class at underage - but is finding it hard at senior level to cope with the physicality.  Dan is done, Eoin is great player but not fit to train so shouldn be there, Mc Ardle is big strong lad - but he hasn really shone in any club games - so how did he reach this level??? Murdock the keeper is off the panel - but he is one they should stick with as he is prob second best in the county and plays well for the club week in week out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on May 31, 2011, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on May 31, 2011, 06:06:38 PM
Seriously - there is no way these two men come all the way to down to train for expenses.  |Its being buried in the expenses for the county somewhere.  We are not the only county to be paying trainers but its def happening.  Lets snap outta the trance lads.  Yes Burren are county champions - but Kilcoo were in same position the year before and had 3 or 4 on the panel at the start and then 2 by the time of the AIF.  Mc Kernan, G Mc Cartan are really worth their places on the team - Rooney is average and has bad attitude - he didnt play against the Ford about a month ago caus he didnt train with his club in the week leading up to it - fair play to Dawson for dropping him from the panel for this breach.  Duffin is a better player than him anyhow.  Sean Murdock like so many others was class at underage - but is finding it hard at senior level to cope with the physicality.  Dan is done, Eoin is great player but not fit to train so shouldn be there, Mc Ardle is big strong lad - but he hasn really shone in any club games - so how did he reach this level??? Murdock the keeper is off the panel - but he is one they should stick with as he is prob second best in the county and plays well for the club week in week out.

once again i'll ask you to let us all see your evidence to back this up, rather than coming out with a load of 'he said she said' hearsay?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 31, 2011, 08:16:12 PM
Anyone any ideas of JFC prelim rounds and 1st rounds?  Would be good to find out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 31, 2011, 08:24:47 PM
Quote from: outinfront on May 31, 2011, 08:16:12 PM
Anyone any ideas of JFC prelim rounds and 1st rounds?  Would be good to find out.

there you go:
Around a Pound JFC
ROUND 1
A Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
B Saul v Ballykinlar
C Bright v Mitchels

ROUND 2
B v Bredagh
St Micheals v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v C
St Pauls v A

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 31, 2011, 08:27:33 PM
To be fair to Pauly2, although you shouldn't make statements if you have not got the necessary evidence to back them up, it is a fairly well established "secret" that GAA many coaches receive financial benefits for their endevours. It is also a similar psuedo-fact that this is done thorugh rather generous "expenses". Given that we have two coaches working for us that travel great distances and are not natve to the county, it is not unreasonable to postulate that they are financially looked after.

But it is wrong to make direct statements and accusations without evidence.

Though tell me honestly, Mrs Red&B and Mournerambler do you really think that McIvor and Tally do this for the simple love of our county's team? I'd be surpised myself but I am not saying they definatly are or not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 31, 2011, 09:29:32 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 31, 2011, 08:24:47 PM
Quote from: outinfront on May 31, 2011, 08:16:12 PM
Anyone any ideas of JFC prelim rounds and 1st rounds?  Would be good to find out.

there you go:
Around a Pound JFC
ROUND 1
A Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
B Saul v Ballykinlar
C Bright v Mitchels

ROUND 2
B v Bredagh
St Micheals v Teconnaught
Aghaderg v C
St Pauls v A

sorry wasn't clear.  Meant dates! (had a previous post a while ago asking)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on May 31, 2011, 09:46:55 PM
I would strongly agree with the points that Mourne Rambler made in his previous post regarding the match on sat night. I think a lot of people on this board are giving the management an awful hard time, I'm a bridge fan and wouldn't be at all fond of wee James for obvious reasons, but what he done with this team last year was remarkable, I'd say most who are critical of him for Sat night were all singing his praises for promotion to div 1 and  when we defeated Kerry and Kildare last year or when he kept Down in div 1 this year. Take a step back and think about it.

Although I think the Burren thing is a little too much in fairness, yes someone said Burren are Co Champions and deserve that amount of players on the panel, but it was Burrens forward line of last year that won it for them. Only one player from their forwards who started the final is on the panel, Burren struggled to beat Mayobridge with us missing three county forwards, so what does that say for their defence? Four Burren defenders on team not just panel is a bit too biased I think. Kilcoo won the Championship two yrs ago and only had 2 players on panel last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointlad on May 31, 2011, 10:34:39 PM
Appaprently the senior championship draw was being re done tonight, anyone have any confirmation on who got who?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blueannavy on May 31, 2011, 10:42:09 PM
think the draw is on next monday night pontlad .. hope we get down sorry i mean burren  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointlad on May 31, 2011, 11:03:55 PM
Quote from: blueannavy on May 31, 2011, 10:42:09 PM
think the draw is on next monday night pontlad .. hope we get down sorry i mean burren  ;)

Cheers Lad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack4ever on June 01, 2011, 03:27:39 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 31, 2011, 08:27:33 PM
To be fair to Pauly2, although you shouldn't make statements if you have not got the necessary evidence to back them up, it is a fairly well established "secret" that GAA many coaches receive financial benefits for their endevours. It is also a similar psuedo-fact that this is done thorugh rather generous "expenses". Given that we have two coaches working for us that travel great distances and are not natve to the county, it is not unreasonable to postulate that they are financially looked after.

But it is wrong to make direct statements and accusations without evidence.

Though tell me honestly, Mrs Red&B and Mournerambler do you really think that McIvor and Tally do this for the simple love of our county's team? I'd be surpised myself but I am not saying they definatly are or not

Exactomundo,  PAULD123. Do I think that coaches and managers in the GAA receive payment for their efforts, sure I do, but I don't know for proof positive.
 
I do agree 100% with your sentiment from above about making direct statements and accusations. I just think it's an exercise in futility.

But I am having a laugh at some of the Armagh ones that think after Saturday night that POR is now the best thing since sliced bread when only a few weeks ago they were calling for his head. Pure hypocrisy, they remind me of the right wing Republicans and the Tea Partiers here in the USA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 01, 2011, 11:34:57 AM
Some of the posts on here this week have been Ludicrous and outrageous!! I think its a disgrace some of the abuse certain individuals have been handing out and some of the inflamatory comments that have been put on here particularly from new posters.

Lets put behind the DOOM and GLOOM and look forward to an easy path through the qualifiers again. Tyrone will win Ulster at a Canter anyway lets be real   :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 01, 2011, 09:01:31 PM
Watched Saturdays game again there. It is a game we can learn greatly from however hard it is to take loosing to our bitter rivals.
Our own mistakes led to all of Armaghs scores in the last 20 minutes and our lack of fight in the last 15 minutes in particular was most disapointing.
Regardless of Benny not recieving a free going through on goal, he had a much better option as Danny was unmarked on the 21, a wee look from benny could have led to a goal which likely would have swung it in our favour.
Other simple things like Rooneys miss from an easy chance when the game was level, McComiskey not winning 2 balls resulting in Armagh counter attacking and scoring 2 points and Fitzpatricks poor use of possession among other mistakes our lads made that they wouldnt normally proved decisive.
All ifs, buts and maybes, it was just a poor day at the office for many individuals including our management team but hopefully just like the Tyrone game last year they all learn the hard way and get a decent run in the qualifiers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 01, 2011, 09:59:19 PM
Saturday was a desperately disappointing day for the county. Our Minors squandering a large lead and losing by a point was very hard to take. That was a very good bunch of players and it's a massive pity that there is no backdoor system in the Ulster MFC. One question I would have to ask about the Minor game is how on earth does a team manage to sqaunder an 11 point lead twice and only manage to score 1 point from play over the course of a game?

Our Seniors weren't actually that bad. I just think Armagh had one of those nights were everything worked for them. We still mark too loosely at the back and I would have serious reservations about the strength of our bench. Garvey and Rafferty will improve our defence big time when they return and the sooner Ambrose returns the better.

I have no doubt that we will get a good run in the Qualifiers. We have quality to come back in to the fold and if we can shore up our backline a bit and get the right combination at midfield our game will improve. The Armagh defeat was disappointing but not a complete disaster. We still crave that elusive Ulster title but with our experience in Division 1 behind us and a bit of re-jigging an extended Summer is a distinct possibility.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 01, 2011, 10:15:31 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 01, 2011, 09:01:31 PM
Watched Saturdays game again there. It is a game we can learn greatly from however hard it is to take loosing to our bitter rivals.
Our own mistakes led to all of Armaghs scores in the last 20 minutes and our lack of fight in the last 15 minutes in particular was most disapointing.
Regardless of Benny not recieving a free going through on goal, he had a much better option as Danny was unmarked on the 21, a wee look from benny could have led to a goal which likely would have swung it in our favour.
Other simple things like Rooneys miss from an easy chance when the game was level, McComiskey not winning 2 balls resulting in Armagh counter attacking and scoring 2 points and Fitzpatricks poor use of possession among other mistakes our lads made that they wouldnt normally proved decisive.
All ifs, buts and maybes, it was just a poor day at the office for many individuals including our management team but hopefully just like the Tyrone game last year they all learn the hard way and get a decent run in the qualifiers.


Agree with this, we could have and had the chances to win going into the last 20 mins but didn't deserve to given we only played for 15 mins in the first half and 15 mins in the second.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on June 01, 2011, 10:47:03 PM
I'm amazed by the reaction of some of the posters. We need to realise that we are not in the top 2 teams in Ulster, never mind Ireland. James took a team of decent players and got them to compete with the big boys. He gave them a system and a belief in themselves. We didnt look comfortable with the favourites tag on Saturday, and perhaps some of the lads were thinking that they didnt need to work as hard as they did last year. A few harsh words this week should get the lads back on track. Give James a break, he was always modest last year while we were winning, and it seems that we cant wait to stick the boot in when the going gets tough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on June 02, 2011, 12:04:51 AM
I just have to laugh at some of use fellas ( or ladies) on here, your heads must be pretty far up your arses! "John Clarkes start does not reflect League form" Sorry but thats just a loada of s***e. Been playin out of his skin for club and puttin in sessions for club and county you wouldn believe. His last game (for the county) against mayo he scored 1-1 and then never got a chance until last weekend, where's the sense in that. How can you slate a man who been there for over 10 years and never grumbled or moaned at not gettin game time just put his head down and put the work in, thats a lack of respect for the man right their folks. S Our 2 corner backs were gettin roasted on Saturday and whats wee James do, takes a corner forward off, just me that finds this bemusing. Down finishing with 6 or 7 burren men of the field, JOKE. Heard a wee rumour that the panel considering a breakaway team, give some of the more deserving players a chance!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 02, 2011, 02:08:02 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on June 02, 2011, 12:04:51 AM
I just have to laugh at some of use fellas ( or ladies) on here, your heads must be pretty far up your arses! "John Clarkes start does not reflect League form" Sorry but thats just a loada of s***e. Been playin out of his skin for club and puttin in sessions for club and county you wouldn believe. His last game (for the county) against mayo he scored 1-1 and then never got a chance until last weekend, where's the sense in that. How can you slate a man who been there for over 10 years and never grumbled or moaned at not gettin game time just put his head down and put the work in, thats a lack of respect for the man right their folks. S Our 2 corner backs were gettin roasted on Saturday and whats wee James do, takes a corner forward off, just me that finds this bemusing. Down finishing with 6 or 7 burren men of the field, JOKE. Heard a wee rumour that the panel considering a breakaway team, give some of the more deserving players a chance!

Hmmm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on June 02, 2011, 09:07:21 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on June 02, 2011, 12:04:51 AM
I just have to laugh at some of use fellas ( or ladies) on here, your heads must be pretty far up your arses! "John Clarkes start does not reflect League form" Sorry but thats just a loada of s***e. Been playin out of his skin for club and puttin in sessions for club and county you wouldn believe. His last game (for the county) against mayo he scored 1-1 and then never got a chance until last weekend, where's the sense in that. How can you slate a man who been there for over 10 years and never grumbled or moaned at not gettin game time just put his head down and put the work in, thats a lack of respect for the man right their folks. S Our 2 corner backs were gettin roasted on Saturday and whats wee James do, takes a corner forward off, just me that finds this bemusing. Down finishing with 6 or 7 burren men of the field, JOKE. Heard a wee rumour that the panel considering a breakaway team, give some of the more deserving players a chance!

Let us know how you get on with that - what a load of shite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 02, 2011, 09:15:35 AM
A few extreme comments here.

Saturday was disappointing, above all else because Ulster was a real possibility but the All-Ireland is unlikely (not impossible), so the chances are that we will finish without medals again this year. I'm not being a doom-monger just realistic, but I will still go into every game believing in the team.

But we are a good team with good players and, as the summer goes on, hopefully will play better. Our midfield needs sorting though, As far as I saw it, if we had won midfield the game would have been ours. Armagh used midfield to spring all their attacks and it stopped our forwards getting the balls they needed. when our forwards did get possession they certainly looked dangerous.

So for me it is down to one simple fix - Fix midfield and we will be able to compete with anyone

Does anyone know if Ambrose will be fit any time soon, or at all this season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on June 02, 2011, 10:24:06 AM
kevy mcclorey should be on the senior panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: waitingforsam on June 02, 2011, 10:45:31 AM
Id be starting Aidan Car & Paul Murphy in that down team that played last weekend.

I understand that Car has left the panel ? is this correct?

What a shame if true, he was excellent for down & good from the dead ball.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 02, 2011, 11:04:47 AM
Quote from: waitingforsam on June 02, 2011, 10:45:31 AM
Id be starting Aidan Car & Paul Murphy in that down team that played last weekend.

I understand that Car has left the panel ? is this correct?

What a shame if true, he was excellent for down & good from the dead ball.

He hardly had any game time in the national league. Any time he came on I thought he looked composed. Until recently he was still in the panel but is living in London and was commuting to be in the squad. If he has left then it wouldn't be a surprise. If he hasn't then it doesn't really matter if James doesn't want to play him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 02, 2011, 11:12:11 AM
Does anyone know what the situation is with Ambrose? We had been led to believe that he was ready to play on Saturday for at least some of the game. If that was true then surely he would have come on for the last 20 minutes when we were getting murdered in midfield.

Is Ambrose going to fit enough to play in the next game/any game this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 02, 2011, 12:28:27 PM
Ambrose must be one of the most unlucky players in Ireland, after two cruciates, a metatarsal and a ruptured spleen in the space of about four seasons. The loss of his spleen leaves him vulnerable to other infections, which seems to be a bigger problem than the recovery from the last cruciate operation. It would be very difficult to put a timescale on his progress, and the qualfiers are likely to come too soon, but his determination is not in question and he deserves some good fortune along the way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 02, 2011, 01:13:54 PM
Aidan Carr doesnt live in London - he moved there at the end of last season with work when the season ended, but has been at home since xmas! there is so much bull shit / half truths on this board with people that hear half a story then post it up as gospel truth, sickens my hole  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 02, 2011, 01:19:49 PM
Ambrose may be too determined for his own good!!

I was told that he would have been very close to playing a part last saturday night only he went and played 40 mins for the club some 6 wks ago when he was told not to ( understandable given the situation the club find themselves in ).  Basically he went for too much too soon and it set him back a bit.  If there are no further setbacks he could play a part in the qualifiers , maybe not the first round but possibly the second if we are lucky enough to get through the first.

Midfield is a massive problem and I can understand people craving Dan to go back to midfield.  My point would be that our full back line would be a lot worse without Dan in it than our midfield is without Dan in it.  Do people remember the trouble we had with the position before Dan made it his own.  I also was told that Dan wants to stay at FB, he is now comfortable in the position and doesnt want to be constantly moved around to fix a hole which is understandable.

IMO we need to stick with Dan there and  replace Fitzpatrick with either Colgen or Murphy or move Murphy to wing back and put Rooney in the middle.  Even if Ambrose is fit to play a part by the start of July it could be the end of August before he is ready to start a game by which stage it could be too late.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on June 02, 2011, 01:35:11 PM
FFS would people stop whing on about Ambrose. The lad is still trying to recover from serious injury. Did you happen to see his two brief club appearances this season? We as Down supporters should only be grateful if we see him back next year. Do you seriously think he will walk back into the team and continue on from where he left off last year.

King and Fitzpatrick are the best we have at the minute apart from Big Dan who is also our best option at full back. I'm a big fan of Colgan but he's a CHB not a midfielder, whilst Murph is a half back but would add extra mobility at midfield.

As for Aidan Carr, who would you drop? Maginn,Hughes, M Clarke, Coulter,Poland, or McComiskey? The lads not good enough for the h/f line at the moment but would be an option if any of the half forwards get injured. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 02, 2011, 09:19:35 PM
Who is whing about ambrose?

People are interesting as to how far away from fitness he is and I gave info which I am led to believe is accurate.  I would be fairly optimistic that he will play championship football this year and I would say he himself is very optimistic of making an impact this year.

Regarding Aidan Carr, IMO he is easily worth a place on the panel and would be the first half forward sub i would be bringing in from the bench.  He is however not an option for the half back line, the thought of Aidan Carr and Kevin McKernan on the same half back line scares the byjesus out of me!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 02, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
Ballyholland 3 -06 Saval 0 - 09 . Paul murphy had a good game at mid field yet again strong when the pressure was on  .Good result for Ballyholland tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 02, 2011, 09:47:16 PM
Did Murtagh start ?

Big win for Harps, after a promising start they were starting to struggle a bit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 02, 2011, 10:17:19 PM
Rony started at mid field along with Murphy but moved into half forward . Played out the field more tonight and worked well as a link man with Robbie White .  I was told by a Longstone man at the match that Ambrose played for 30 mins one night in a club game and never left the house for 3 days after it . I think there is a role for Aiden Carr on the Down panel he can break a tackle , hit frees accurately and most of all can kick pass with ease which is something very few of the rest of the lads can do bar Martin Clarke . Murphy is abetter option at half back or mid field than Anton Mc Ardle . I said before we need a chb that plays chb not marking space . Although Dan lost Carke for the goal the damage was done by Tony Kernan Who had a free catch on the edge of the square . The nearest man to him was Mc Kernan who looked lost didnt know wheter to mark the man or not. When you watch it again the push on Benny was a turning point It would of been a level game instead they went up the field and made it a 2 point game .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 02, 2011, 10:28:37 PM
That is a strange one Rony starting at midfield, would be far more dangerous in FFL imo especially at club level.

Agree with those points about Down match, murphy def a better option than mccardle at midfield.  McKernan is a problem, u could maybe get away with him if we had better defenders around him but we dont, is he too good a "footballer" to drop, I just dont no, its a tricky one??

Also agree with the benny push, in fairness he should have punched it over the bar but his natural instincts were to go for the goal.  It def was a turning point, that and a missed from free from marty and missed chance from Rooney could have pushed us on.  However u cant play for 30 mins out of 70 and expect to win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 02, 2011, 11:05:10 PM
No white good man you are right you cant affard to switch off at all you will not get away with playing for 25 to 30 mins . Mc Kernan is a great attacking back but my thoughts would be that chb is there to stop them driving through the middle and should act as an anchor . To be fair Colgan played this role perfect last year although a bit slow he knows that his primary job is to defend this steadied the defence last year . Mc kernan was dropped last year and it was the kick in the backside he needed . We dont have as big of pool of talent available as we would like to think but i havent seen any one to date that you would say should be on the county . we have too many nice footballers and not enough hard hitters this is where Garvey really was missed the other night to lay down a marker . You cant expect big Kalum to do all the hitting on his own
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 03, 2011, 08:36:48 AM
We all know McKernan is more an attacker than a defender and we all know that he is too good to be dropped. But personally I don't see it as a massive problem. I think the issue the other night was simply that we gave away so much midfield possession that Armagh were able to launch continual attacks. If we had won midfield Kevin would not have been under pressure defensively. If we had won midfield I firmly believe Armagh would have scored 4-5 points less and we would have scored at least 2-3 more. We would now be debating a Down victory and no one would be complaining about McKernan's defending. In fact if possession was held at the middle Kevin probably would have been free to move forward and attack.

Is Paul Murphy really an option as a midfielder? Would he compete with the best midfielders in the country?

Why did our midfield dominate for short periods only to fade badly? Was it that they were tired, after all, it was a very heavy pitch? If that was so then isn't there a case for temporary switching of Gordon to midfield to allow a continuity in energy in the area? Could Fitzpatrick drop to fullback for 10-15 minutes, to allow Gordon to boost midfield before switching back when Fitzpatrick was freshened? This is how our forwards operate so as to keep pressure on the opposing half back line.
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Post by: naomhmiceal on June 03, 2011, 02:30:09 PM
no disrespect intended but thats madness dropping fitzpatrick into full back! What about rooney in full back did he not play there a few years ago? then that would allow Dan and King to play in midfield with the option of Fitzpatrick coming off the bench, then play Murphy or Aidan Carr in half back along with McKernan and Garvey

How would people rate Brannigan, Gerald McCartan and Benny McArdle ?Personally i would have Brannigan in Corner back along with Damien Rafferty if he gets fit again
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Post by: supersub on June 03, 2011, 04:23:52 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 03, 2011, 08:36:48 AM
We all know McKernan is more an attacker than a defender and we all know that he is too good to be dropped. But personally I don't see it as a massive problem. I think the issue the other night was simply that we gave away so much midfield possession that Armagh were able to launch continual attacks. If we had won midfield Kevin would not have been under pressure defensively. If we had won midfield I firmly believe Armagh would have scored 4-5 points less and we would have scored at least 2-3 more. We would now be debating a Down victory and no one would be complaining about McKernan's defending. In fact if possession was held at the middle Kevin probably would have been free to move forward and attack.

Is Paul Murphy really an option as a midfielder? Would he compete with the best midfielders in the country?

Why did our midfield dominate for short periods only to fade badly? Was it that they were tired, after all, it was a very heavy pitch? If that was so then isn't there a case for temporary switching of Gordon to midfield to allow a continuity in energy in the area? Could Fitzpatrick drop to fullback for 10-15 minutes, to allow Gordon to boost midfield before switching back when Fitzpatrick was freshened? This is how our forwards operate so as to keep pressure on the opposing half back line.

Quote from: naomhmiceal on June 03, 2011, 02:30:09 PM
no disrespect intended but thats madness dropping fitzpatrick into full back! What about rooney in full back did he not play there a few years ago? then that would allow Dan and King to play in midfield with the option of Fitzpatrick coming off the bench, then play Murphy or Aidan Carr in half back along with McKernan and Garvey

How would people rate Brannigan, Gerald McCartan and Benny McArdle ?Personally i would have Brannigan in Corner back along with Damien Rafferty if he gets fit again

A lot of chopping and changing being suggested the last while which is fair enough given the result, but the fact that this team played together in these positions all of last year and most of this league campaign doing quite well for the most part would suggest the positions are appropriate for each player. I agree midfield can be hot or cold, but hopefully the lads can pursue with it and find their best form in the qualifiers. In addition the corner back spots are an issue as there are a few people injured/out of form, rafferty and g mccartan are the obvious choices for me when fit. Brannigan wouldn't be a patch on Gerard in terms of marking and Gerard is also far more comfortable on the ball.

The highlighted bit is something I disagree with, this statement would apply to maybe one or two players in each county max, and I don't think McKernan is in that bracket for us. If he is not doing the job in the position and there is another option, maybe he should be dropped. It worked out ok last year when he went from wing back to chb after being dropped. It is not a personal issue, I just don't agree with this statement of people being too good to be dropped.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 03, 2011, 04:41:39 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on June 02, 2011, 01:35:11 PM
FFS would people stop whing on about Ambrose. The lad is still trying to recover from serious injury. Did you happen to see his two brief club appearances this season? We as Down supporters should only be grateful if we see him back next year. Do you seriously think he will walk back into the team and continue on from where he left off last year.

King and Fitzpatrick are the best we have at the minute apart from Big Dan who is also our best option at full back. I'm a big fan of Colgan but he's a CHB not a midfielder, whilst Murph is a half back but would add extra mobility at midfield.

As for Aidan Carr, who would you drop? Maginn,Hughes, M Clarke, Coulter,Poland, or McComiskey? The lads not good enough for the h/f line at the moment but would be an option if any of the half forwards get injured.

If king and fitzpatrick are the best we have then its no wonder people are wondering about Ambrose and Wanting Dan moved out the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 03, 2011, 05:07:39 PM
Supersub, As you said these lads have played these positions all year. The problem is that in that whole year we have seen that the midfield pairing is simply not going to cut it. This isn't a kneejerk reaction to an USFC loss. Since Kildare, we have been second in midfield in every game unless the opposition were totally hopeless. Kildare, Cork, Armagh, Mayo (2nd half), Cork, Dublin, Kerry and Armagh have dominated us.

So I think it is clear we need to address this and if Ambrose isn't the answer then Dan has to be. But of course we can't afford to totally weaken out fairly good record of preventing goals being scored. That's why I suggested a positional switch temporarily in the game to relive pressure if the midfield is tired or just not working.

I respect the comment that Fitzpatrick couldn't move to fullback but have no problem with the alternative suggested that if Gordon moves forward Rooney drops back and Fitzy goes to HB. That would be good because it would still keep Fitzy involved if needed.

I do think changing starting positions a lot would have a disruptive effect but I do not think having a bit of fluidity in the team would be a bad thing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 03, 2011, 09:00:39 PM
If Ambrose was fit Fitzpatrick wudnt be starting in my opinion. In fact I think he has been lucky to have played as much as he has done I would prefer to see Murphy involved, he always done well for down before, regardless of what position he was selected for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blueannavy on June 03, 2011, 09:18:59 PM
That's wat ya call doin enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 03, 2011, 09:20:50 PM
Division 1 Results

Kilcoo 2-11 Rostrevor 0-9
Clonduff 2-12 Mayobridge 2-13
Bryansford 2-6 Longstone 0-16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on June 03, 2011, 09:24:20 PM
Drumgath 1-11 Liatriom 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 03, 2011, 09:51:03 PM
Division 3
Kilclief 4-20  Dundrum 1-08

The worst hiding we have taken in recent memory in Division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 03, 2011, 10:02:14 PM
ACFL Division 1 2011

Bryansford  2 - 6 vs 0 - 16 Longstone 
Burren  1 - 13 vs 1 - 9 An Riocht   
Clonduff  2 - 13 vs 2 - 14 Mayobridge 
Kilcoo  2 - 11 vs 0 - 9 Rostrevor   
Ballyholland  3 - 6 vs 0 - 9 Saval   


ACFL Division 2

Annaclone  0 - 13 vs 1 - 16 Clann na Banna   
Castlewellan  2 - 16 vs 0 - 8 Ballymartin 
Downpatrick  1 - 9 vs 1 - 9 Loughinisland 
Drumgath  1 - 11 vs 0 - 10 Liatroim   
Warrenpoint  1 - 8 vs 3 - 15 Shamrocks 


ACFL Division 3

Darragh Cross  0 - 11 vs 0 - 11 Carryduff 
Glasdrumman  2 - 18 vs 0 - 11 Mitchels 
Kilclief  4 - 20 vs 1 - 8 Dundrum 
St John Bosco  0 - 14 vs 0 - 10 Atticall 
Tullylish  1 - 22 vs 1 - 10 St Johns 
Glenn  4-14 vs 2-9 Ardglass 

ACFL Division 4

Bredagh  6 - 11 vs 0 - 5 Ballykinlar 
Drumaness  4 - 12 vs 1 - 6 Bright 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 03, 2011, 10:49:16 PM
Good performance from Kilclief tonight, Dundrum were very poor though. Regarding Peter Fitzpatrick, simply not good enough to play senior inter county football. I would go as far as saying he is a fairly average club footballer. I hate to criticise individuals but I think the lad has been promoted beyond his capabilities on the back of one good U-21 campaign. However, he is not solely responsible for the defeat to Armagh and he is 10 times the player I ever was!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: naomhmiceal on June 03, 2011, 11:07:50 PM
St Michaels drew with Dromara in the 4th division if anyone was lookin to know
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on June 03, 2011, 11:39:46 PM
We couldn't field against Saul......don't ask. ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 04, 2011, 01:18:50 PM
Bridge/Clonduff game only a point in it, big rivals, I asume it was a keenly contested game? Anyone got a short report on it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 04, 2011, 01:28:25 PM
Mayobridge looked like they were going to give Clonduff a serious beating it was 2-3 to no score after 20 mins.  Then the game changed Ryan Brady chasing his hat trick went one-on-one with the keeper who fouled him and forced him to go off injured.  Without Brady the Bridge lost their way and Clonduff got themselves right back in the game and eventually took the lead near the end of normal time.  The Bridge then equalised then Keith Quinn scored the last of his five point contribution deep into injury time to seal the win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 04, 2011, 01:46:12 PM
It's only to be expected that there will be plenty of talk about big Dan's best position, but people need to look at our defensive displays before and after his move to full-back. We tried all sorts of systems and tactics, but we could not stop conceding goals from simple long balls towards our square. The Donegal game in the first round of the USC last year was only  one example but it was among the worst. We were the better side throughout, but two goals went in from two breakaway attacks in the first quarter and we were very lucky to get to extra time as a result.

As soon as Dan went to no 3, the goals against us dried up and our forwards always had a decent chance of running up a winning total at the other end. Dan is a long way from the finished article at full back, as Armagh's goal showed last week. He made a fine catch but followed it with a careless pass and was missing from the square when the ball came back in and ended in the net. However, it was exactly the kind of goal which used to regularly cripple us when he was used further out the field.

Dan is a brillliant midfielder but we have at least a couple of viable options there. The alternatives at full back do not really exist. McArdle gives everything he has, but is not big enough for the position and struggled for pace aginst Armagh. Rooney played there under Ross in 07 but had to be moved out to half back as it simply did not work. McKernan had a similar experience, and it is highly unlikely that Fitzpatrick would do any better.

At some stage we may produce another full back and Dan can revert to what is undoubtedly his natural position at midfield. Until then, we will play well and lose big games if he is not at the heart of our defence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 04, 2011, 02:13:41 PM
Quote from: amallon on June 04, 2011, 01:28:25 PM
Mayobridge looked like they were going to give Clonduff a serious beating it was 2-3 to no score after 20 mins.  Then the game changed Ryan Brady chasing his hat trick went one-on-one with the keeper who fouled him and forced him to go off injured.  Without Brady the Bridge lost their way and Clonduff got themselves right back in the game and eventually took the lead near the end of normal time.  The Bridge then equalised then Keith Quinn scored the last of his five point contribution deep into injury time to seal the win.

Thanks amallon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on June 04, 2011, 02:41:12 PM
Bridge looked unstoppable until Brady went off. Arthur McConville was excellent in the second half. Bridge probably deserved the win. Thought Gavin Corrigan had an excellent game - must be the best ref in Down at the minute
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 04, 2011, 03:26:41 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 04, 2011, 01:46:12 PM
It's only to be expected that there will be plenty of talk about big Dan's best position, but people need to look at our defensive displays before and after his move to full-back. We tried all sorts of systems and tactics, but we could not stop conceding goals from simple long balls towards our square. The Donegal game in the first round of the USC last year was only  one example but it was among the worst. We were the better side throughout, but two goals went in from two breakaway attacks in the first quarter and we were very lucky to get to extra time as a result.

As soon as Dan went to no 3, the goals against us dried up and our forwards always had a decent chance of running up a winning total at the other end. Dan is a long way from the finished article at full back, as Armagh's goal showed last week. He made a fine catch but followed it with a careless pass and was missing from the square when the ball came back in and ended in the net. However, it was exactly the kind of goal which used to regularly cripple us when he was used further out the field.

Dan is a brillliant midfielder but we have at least a couple of viable options there. The alternatives at full back do not really exist. McArdle gives everything he has, but is not big enough for the position and struggled for pace aginst Armagh. Rooney played there under Ross in 07 but had to be moved out to half back as it simply did not work. McKernan had a similar experience, and it is highly unlikely that Fitzpatrick would do any better.

At some stage we may produce another full back and Dan can revert to what is undoubtedly his natural position at midfield. Until then, we will play well and lose big games if he is not at the heart of our defence.

Agree with this completely.  People tend to forget how bad we were in there before Dan went in.  It is a specialist position and it wouldnt do dan any good to be moved in and out regularly.  I would give Fitzpatrick a break for a while as his confidence must have eroded completely at this stage and certainly dont think he is an option at FB.  Colgen could be an option for midfield but him and King would be very similar type players so maybe murphy would be the better option with King providing the perfect foil for his powerful running game. 

Any one else hear that sexton, aidan carr and sean murdock have all left the panel??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: naomhmiceal on June 04, 2011, 04:26:12 PM
the irish news gave Fitzpatrick a decent rating and said that Vernon started to dominate when he was subbed, i thought King had his best game in a while against Armagh. In 2 or 3 years Niall Donnelly for full back!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 04, 2011, 04:40:04 PM
Niall Donnelly could be a very good call for full back in 2 or 3 years time.  May struggle for pace slightly but a very good prospect
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 04, 2011, 05:18:25 PM
niall is an excellent prospect but as you say WGM lacks pace was MOTM in the Mc Crory final but struggled in the semi final and final against speedy forwards but very brave and seems to be natural at full back .  To say we were very bad before Dan went to fb is a bit harsh on Benny Mc Ardle who did a good job through the league and against Donegal in the championship until he got injuried .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 04, 2011, 06:15:10 PM
Wasnt really having a go at mcardle more how much we struggled in that positon dating back to the brian burns days.  As someone else said on here mccardle may not be big enough or commanding enough to play 3.  Thought he struggled very badly last wk too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 04, 2011, 06:33:34 PM
I know you werent having a go and agree totally with you . We havent had a natural full back since Burns and thus had to make one and i think Dan has grown into the role in a short period of time . Colgan may be an option at full back but he lacks pace although a good reader of the game . There is more options around the middle  with Murphy back Colgan and maybe James needs to maybe needs to give Fitzpatrick a rest to get his hunger back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 05, 2011, 09:00:34 AM
Short of a lazarus like recovery from Ambrose, I don't think we have anyone better than Fitzpatrick. I can't see hhow giving him a rest would benefit either, it surely would hurt his confidence even more by basically saying he isn't trusted for the important games.

I still favour that we move players around in the process of the game, beacuse I really believe that when those periods come (and they always come) where the opposition start to take midfield from us, the only man who can win it back for us is Gordon. It is great having him at fullback but he's no use to us there if our midfield is wiped out and the result is that their corner forwards are pinging points over.

An alternative would be to make a switch in most every game. We could replace Fitzpatrick, move Gordon forward for the last 20 mins, and bring on someone to allow Rooney, McCardle, or whoever to drop into fullback. In the last 20 the fullforward will be slightly easier to mark as he has run around for 50 minutes.

It amazes me that everyone believes that a player must be picked for a position and then must play there for 70 minutes. There are different energy level uses in different positions, so we could look to capitolise on that, with clever switching.
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Post by: here comes 6 on June 05, 2011, 09:11:25 AM
can yous give it a break?   there wasnt as much talk about last years run to the All- Ireland.   Its becoming a bit of a joke the amount of pages that there has been on this. Wise yourselves up and move on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 05, 2011, 01:56:00 PM
Wind ur neck in would ya, its a discussion board, u no to discuss things.  The local discussion board for down usually discusses either one of the county teams or the club scene or both.  Dont like dont read
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on June 05, 2011, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on June 05, 2011, 01:56:00 PM
Wind ur neck in would ya, its a discussion board, u no to discuss things.  The local discussion board for down usually discusses either one of the county teams or the club scene or both.  Dont like dont read

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 05, 2011, 05:09:52 PM
Kilcoo beat Clonduff in a cracking Feis 7's Senior Final today in Castlewellan.

Reigning All Ireland Junior 7's champions St Johns retained their Down title with a win over Dundrum in the Junior Final.

Kilcoo also won the Minor title beating Shamrocks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 05, 2011, 08:41:00 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on June 05, 2011, 01:56:00 PM
Wind ur neck in would ya, its a discussion board, u no to discuss things.  The local discussion board for down usually discusses either one of the county teams or the club scene or both.  Dont like dont read

Totally agree
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on June 05, 2011, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 03, 2011, 11:39:46 PM
We couldn't field against Saul......don't ask. ::)

I find it rather strange that St Pauls were unable to field against Saul in Div 4 on Fri night yet they could put a reserve team out today to beat Darragh in they Championship.
I also wonder how many of those guys today played junior championship last year!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on June 05, 2011, 09:10:28 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on June 05, 2011, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 03, 2011, 11:39:46 PM
We couldn't field against Saul......don't ask. ::)

I find it rather strange that St Pauls were unable to field against Saul in Div 4 on Fri night yet they could put a reserve team out today to beat Darragh in they Championship.
I also wonder how many of those guys today played junior championship last year!!!

you may open your eyes because as manager of the reserve team i can 100% guarantee you not one of those boys playing today played junior championship last year and if you dont believe me then how about you make the trip to bangor and i will go through the team sheet player by player.
friday was unfortunate, we haven't got a large panel looking to play senior football this year. alot of boys were away and a number including myself are carrying injuries. there are a lot of promising players still not ready for senior football who we had looked to possibly step in but all but one were unavailable. how about less of the smartarse talk and take your defeat like a man tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on June 05, 2011, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: st pauls mcgrath on June 05, 2011, 09:10:28 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on June 05, 2011, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 03, 2011, 11:39:46 PM
We couldn't field against Saul......don't ask. ::)

I find it rather strange that St Pauls were unable to field against Saul in Div 4 on Fri night yet they could put a reserve team out today to beat Darragh in they Championship.
I also wonder how many of those guys today played junior championship last year!!!

you may open your eyes because as manager of the reserve team i can 100% guarantee you not one of those boys playing today played junior championship last year and if you dont believe me then how about you make the trip to bangor and i will go through the team sheet player by player.
friday was unfortunate, we haven't got a large panel looking to play senior football this year. alot of boys were away and a number including myself are carrying injuries. there are a lot of promising players still not ready for senior football who we had looked to possibly step in but all but one were unavailable. how about less of the smartarse talk and take your defeat like a man tonight.

dont think he's a Darragh man, dromara it seems from past posts!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on June 05, 2011, 10:34:25 PM
Quote from: maldini on June 05, 2011, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: st pauls mcgrath on June 05, 2011, 09:10:28 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on June 05, 2011, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 03, 2011, 11:39:46 PM
We couldn't field against Saul......don't ask. ::)

I find it rather strange that St Pauls were unable to field against Saul in Div 4 on Fri night yet they could put a reserve team out today to beat Darragh in they Championship.
I also wonder how many of those guys today played junior championship last year!!!

you may open your eyes because as manager of the reserve team i can 100% guarantee you not one of those boys playing today played junior championship last year and if you dont believe me then how about you make the trip to bangor and i will go through the team sheet player by player.
friday was unfortunate, we haven't got a large panel looking to play senior football this year. alot of boys were away and a number including myself are carrying injuries. there are a lot of promising players still not ready for senior football who we had looked to possibly step in but all but one were unavailable. how about less of the smartarse talk and take your defeat like a man tonight.

dont think he's a Darragh man, dromara it seems from past posts!

Wrong. But i have every right to my opinion. And i still find it strange that St Pauls were unable to field againist Saul on Friday night yet were able to field today.  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 05, 2011, 10:43:32 PM
Anyone hear news on Caolan Mooney this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 05, 2011, 10:48:04 PM
Hope its news that he has been called into the senior squad super sub . I know we have talked about this before but i think he would be a good option to use if needed
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Post by: Mike Tyson on June 06, 2011, 12:45:15 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on June 05, 2011, 10:48:04 PM
Hope its news that he has been called into the senior squad super sub . I know we have talked about this before but i think he would be a good option to use if needed

Heard that myself. Think it's a terrible decision. The lad's never played club senior or county u21 game before. Huge step up from Minors to Seniors at club level never mind county.
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Post by: supersub on June 06, 2011, 01:05:33 AM
Well yes that is the story I am talking about. Not going to comment on it as he is a fellow clubmember, but just interested to see if others heard/had an opinion!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on June 06, 2011, 08:10:05 AM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on June 05, 2011, 10:34:25 PM
Quote from: maldini on June 05, 2011, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: st pauls mcgrath on June 05, 2011, 09:10:28 PM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on June 05, 2011, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 03, 2011, 11:39:46 PM
We couldn't field against Saul......don't ask. ::)

I find it rather strange that St Pauls were unable to field against Saul in Div 4 on Fri night yet they could put a reserve team out today to beat Darragh in they Championship.
I also wonder how many of those guys today played junior championship last year!!!

you may open your eyes because as manager of the reserve team i can 100% guarantee you not one of those boys playing today played junior championship last year and if you dont believe me then how about you make the trip to bangor and i will go through the team sheet player by player.
friday was unfortunate, we haven't got a large panel looking to play senior football this year. alot of boys were away and a number including myself are carrying injuries. there are a lot of promising players still not ready for senior football who we had looked to possibly step in but all but one were unavailable. how about less of the smartarse talk and take your defeat like a man tonight.

dont think he's a Darragh man, dromara it seems from past posts!

Wrong. But i have every right to my opinion. And i still find it strange that St Pauls were unable to field againist Saul on Friday night yet were able to field today.  :-\

Well regardless of the your club the point is the same.....we are a small club with limited resources at senior level and unfortunately for a number of different reasons we could not field on friday night and no ineligible players fielded against darragh cross.
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Post by: EagleLord on June 06, 2011, 09:30:13 AM
I'd have to agree with Tyson there, he had only ever played against 17 and 18 yr olds. At Minor and schools level. He has never played against men, so that step is huge. Although I really couldn't speak highly enough of him, I think he is an unbeleivable talent. The pure pace he has is unlike anything I've seen even when carrying the ball. Look at the minor game vs Armagh, he just coasted past 2 orange shirts. Throwing this lad in on the starting XV though? It is bound to upset a few of the squad members not getting game time, no wonder there are lads quitting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 06, 2011, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: supersub on June 05, 2011, 10:43:32 PM
Anyone hear news on Caolan Mooney this weekend?

So Mooney gets added to the ever increasingly large Down Senior panel. The rumours of players walking away from the panel are untrue but I would be more concerned about the size of the panel. How is a squad meant to bond and become tight when there are such large numbers coming and going, stories get leaked from the camp easier etc..  this would be off pressing concern.

Without causing offence to any member of the panel and I will not start naming names, but is there much call for some of these fringe players and U21's??

On the Mooney situation, Rostrevor MUST feel aggrieved, this is the club that gave this lad everything from underage, coaching, support, opportunities and what are they getting back now??? Its an all too familiar trait that the county get everything and the club gets cast aside! What is the general feeling down there Supersub?? I personally feel the lad is nowhere near a senior intercounty player at present! Cant speak for 3/4 years time but now no way IMO.
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Post by: whitegoodman on June 06, 2011, 01:14:48 PM
Ronan Sexton and Sean Murdock are no longer on the panel, Aidan Carr I cant confirm, maybe somebody else can?

Agree with those that dont agree with the decision, not fair on the lad or those that are already on the panel.  A huge step up, it took benny a bit of time to make an impact and he had played a bit of senior club football before playing for the county i think. ( stand by to be corrected on that )

Mooney is an exceptional talent, is he as good as coulter was at that age? I dont no, does he have the same impact on games that coulter did? I dont no, is he ready for intercounty senior football, no imo.

The other point is that it smacks of short term thinking.  He is going to be there next year so unless they think he can come in and make an impact immediately, what is the point?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 06, 2011, 01:40:09 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on June 06, 2011, 01:14:48 PM
Ronan Sexton and Sean Murdock are no longer on the panel, Aidan Carr I cant confirm, maybe somebody else can?

Agree with those that dont agree with the decision, not fair on the lad or those that are already on the panel.  A huge step up, it took benny a bit of time to make an impact and he had played a bit of senior club football before playing for the county i think. ( stand by to be corrected on that )

Mooney is an exceptional talent, is he as good as coulter was at that age? I dont no, does he have the same impact on games that coulter did? I dont no, is he ready for intercounty senior football, no imo.

The other point is that it smacks of short term thinking.  He is going to be there next year so unless they think he can come in and make an impact immediately, what is the point?

John Clarke, Mickey Magee and Kevin Anderson are also no nonger members of the squad im led to believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 06, 2011, 03:17:26 PM
I haven't been chatting to many around here as it was kept quiet last week and people ony really found out in the last day or so. To be honest it is dissapointing that he is not part of the club (senior) panel but it is understandable as if he was still with down minors he wouldn't have been with the club anyway. Don't think there was much chance of him playing seniors for us before he goes away anyway and most around here know that. Just the way it fell with the minors being put out I suppose he is free to accept a call into the senior panel which probably wouldn't have happened if the minors were still going. He does still play for the club though at minor level i have to point out, it is not some sort of boycott against the club.

Ps all the best to him and everyone supports him here. Good to have one representative on county panel!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on June 06, 2011, 05:14:45 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 06, 2011, 01:40:09 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on June 06, 2011, 01:14:48 PM
Ronan Sexton and Sean Murdock are no longer on the panel, Aidan Carr I cant confirm, maybe somebody else can?

Agree with those that dont agree with the decision, not fair on the lad or those that are already on the panel.  A huge step up, it took benny a bit of time to make an impact and he had played a bit of senior club football before playing for the county i think. ( stand by to be corrected on that )

Mooney is an exceptional talent, is he as good as coulter was at that age? I dont no, does he have the same impact on games that coulter did? I dont no, is he ready for intercounty senior football, no imo.

The other point is that it smacks of short term thinking.  He is going to be there next year so unless they think he can come in and make an impact immediately, what is the point?

John Clarke, Mickey Magee and Kevin Anderson are also no nonger members of the squad im led to believe.

Can hardly balm J Clarke, the way he has been treated is a joke!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 06, 2011, 05:35:12 PM
to be fair on the John Clarke issue, he got a start in our biggest game this year but failed to make anything of it. He could complain that he never got much football in the league but after being started for the championship I don't think he can complain. And I have always been a big supporter of him, but no doubt he had a poor game against Armagh.

As for Coalan, I don't see the point in him being in the seniors as I can't imagine they will actually play him ahead of Laverty or Murtagh. As someone else said, if he won't play this season and he'll be gone next year, what's the point?

We don't need extra forwards. If things are going well and our forwards are getting lots of posessesion then we will be scoring and winning. if we are not scoring and winning then it means we haven't got possession in the foward line, so what could Caolan do if he came on as a sub, he can't score if we don't have posessession? We need to resolve midfield and possession, after that our team could compete with just about anyone and score enough to beat just about anyone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 06, 2011, 06:00:43 PM
Although Mooney is going away and will not feature next year i think he would be a good addition to the panel  . He would give you the option of kicking the ball into space instead of taking 20 handpasses to get it into the forward line . If the ball is played into the space any way half decent Mooney will win any race to win possession . This would mean the ball going into Benny and Mc Comiskey before all the opposition team get back to defend . Murtagh or Laverty dont give you this option as they are different types of players . It would speed things up instead of the laboured approach this last while . He might never play but would give you adifferent approach if needed . On the point of john am surprised because he got a start last time and cant complain about being taken off . Looks a bit selfish as if he wasnt happy about this which looks like he wasnt interested in fighting for a place compare this to Laverty and Murtagh who push hard all the time . Hope John hasnt left as he is a good lad who always tried his best
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 06, 2011, 07:20:10 PM
Murtagh left the panel this time last year as well, did he not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 06, 2011, 07:59:01 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 06, 2011, 07:20:10 PM
Murtagh left the panel this time last year as well, did he not?

He did and returned to wonderful effect. The panel has been too large this past two seasons, too many lads hanging on and dont have a chance of featuring.
I rate Caolan Mooney as a wonderful footballer, but dont think its the most sensible move for the player and the team at this stage.
The lad has yet to play adult football at club level and i think any young player needs senior club experience before going straight to the top.
This is becoming the hardest month in James McCartans tenure with the poor display in Armagh, Marty Clarkes possible move back to Australia and experienced players feeling the need to leave. A first round qualifer win and decent performance is badly needed to get morale within the camp back to what it was and confidence in the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 06, 2011, 08:06:09 PM
Your right MDG big month for James really need a good performance and a win in the qualifers to ease all the tensions . Hope we can push on now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 06, 2011, 08:11:36 PM
In fairness Marty Clarke always intimated he would be going back after 2 years, the performance against Armagh was laboured and way under par. I think the main reason for this is our midfield pairing, since Ambrose got hurt McCartan has persevered with King and Fitzpatrick hoping they were going to eventually gel, personally I dont think this has happened. I wish during the league he had of experimented more in this area, particulary with Paul Murphy, I dont get to see much div 1 football but anytime I saw him play for Down in the past he done well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 06, 2011, 08:17:50 PM
Ask lecale v longstone; wpoint v ballyholland; l"island v tullylish; rostrevor. V dpatrick; clonduff v c'wellan; saval v m'bridge; ask/lstone v burren; kingdom v b'ford; kilcoo v laitriom
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 06, 2011, 08:28:17 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on June 06, 2011, 08:17:50 PM
Ask lecale v longstone; wpoint v ballyholland; l"island v tullylish; rostrevor. V dpatrick; clonduff v c'wellan; saval v m'bridge; ask/lstone v burren; kingdom v b'ford; kilcoo v laitriom

Had a feeling we would draw Liatriom again. Saval v Bridge is a tasty one as is Clonduff v town. Kingdom and ford is the tie of the round while assuming Longstone get over Lecale them and Burren will be interesting.
Thats hoping they have got it right this time!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 06, 2011, 09:12:13 PM
All good ties there I reckon, all sould be close enough games, no landslide wins I wouldnt think, great to see it. Looking at teams and tables theres a 4 or 5 teams that have a realistic asperations to win the championship. As open as its been for a long while.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 06, 2011, 09:51:46 PM
Couple of interesting draws with Dawson and Pete going back to their old clubs but the bridge and saval is the one that stands out for me.  Local derby, bridge slightly coming back to the pack, saval producing some good performances this year ( kilcoo noteable performance ).  Should be an interesting game but see bridge pulling away in the last 10 by 3 or 4.  Castlewellen should also give Clonduff a game but Kilcoo will give Liatrom a beating imo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 06, 2011, 10:42:15 PM
MORGAN MILK DOWN SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2011                                                               
                                   
Roinn 1                                   
ASK Lecale V  Cloch Fhada (Longstone)
                                   
Roinn 2
Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint)     V Baile Cholmain (Ballyholland)
Loch an Oileain (Loughinisland) V Tulach Lis (Tullylish)
Caislean Ruairi (Rostrevor) V Dun Padraig (Downpatrick)
Cluain Daimh (Clonduff) V Caislean an Mhuillin (Castlewellan)
Sabhaill (Saval) V Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge)
ASK Lecale/Cloch Fhada (Longstone) V Boireann (Burren)
An Riocht (An Riocht) V Ath Bhriain (Bryansford)
Liatroim  (Liatroim) V Cill Chua (Kilcoo)


MORGAN MILK DOWN MINOR "A" FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2011                                                         
                                   
Group A                                   
Cill Chua (Kilcoo
Dun Padraig (Downpatrick)
Caislean an Mhuillin (Castlewellan)
Ath Bhriain (Bryansford)                       

Group B                                   
Seamrogai an Iuir (Shamrocks)
Boireann (Burren)
Sabhaill (Saval)
Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge)                 

Group C                                   
Caislean Ruairi (Rostrevor)
Breadach Bredagh
An Riocht (An Riocht)
Ceathru Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff)                   

Group D                                   
Cluain Daimh (Clonduff)
Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint)     
Naomh Padraig (Saul)
St Mary's (St Mary's)




MORGAN MILK DOWN MINOR "B" FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2011                   
           
Group A                                   
Baile Cholmain (Ballyholland)
Naomh Eoin (St Johns)
Clann na Banna (Clann na Banna)
Droim an Easa (Drumaness)
Misteiligh an Iuir (Mitchels)       
                                   
Group B                                   
Tulach Lis (Tullylish)
Baile Ui Mhairtin (Ballymartin)
Cloch Fhada (Longstone)
Ard Ghlais (Ardglass)
Ait Ti Chthail (Atticall) 
                                   
Group C                                   
Loch an Oileain (Loughinisland)
Cill Dharach  (Cill Dharach)
An Ghleann (Glenn)
Cill Breachtain (Cill Breachtain)             
                                   
Group D                                   
Naomh Eoin Bosco (St John Bosco)
Naomh Pol (St Pauls)   
Droim Gath (Drumgath)
St Josephs (St Josephs)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 07, 2011, 09:48:41 AM
what way is the minor championship being played? Top two qualify for the quarter finals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on June 07, 2011, 01:33:09 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on June 06, 2011, 05:14:45 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 06, 2011, 01:40:09 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on June 06, 2011, 01:14:48 PM
Ronan Sexton and Sean Murdock are no longer on the panel, Aidan Carr I cant confirm, maybe somebody else can?

Agree with those that dont agree with the decision, not fair on the lad or those that are already on the panel.  A huge step up, it took benny a bit of time to make an impact and he had played a bit of senior club football before playing for the county i think. ( stand by to be corrected on that )

Mooney is an exceptional talent, is he as good as coulter was at that age? I dont no, does he have the same impact on games that coulter did? I dont no, is he ready for intercounty senior football, no imo.

The other point is that it smacks of short term thinking.  He is going to be there next year so unless they think he can come in and make an impact immediately, what is the point?

John Clarke, Mickey Magee and Kevin Anderson are also no nonger members of the squad im led to believe.

Can hardly balm J Clarke, the way he has been treated is a joke!

What way has he been treated? Surely you are not referring to him being subsitituted against Armagh?

Theres no doubt that John Clarke is a fine footballer and that he has all the skills required for playng with the county but maybe he does not have the mentality for the big games? Too often he goes missing and just doe'nt produce the goods. I was very suprised he started against Armagh given the displays of Murtagh and Lavery in the league game. IMO he is still worth his place in the panel but just not the starting 15 at the minute given the options in the forward line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on June 07, 2011, 01:59:00 PM
On the Mooney addition, I dont think there should be much of a fuss. Down through the years theres always been the odd exceptional minor who has been involved with the senior squad (ie) Benny and Colm McAlarney to name a couple and they were exceptional. And Mooney we would all agree is exceptional given his performances at under age so far and particularly in big games.

So if one or two fringe players have left the panel whats wrong with calling up the best 18 year old in the county and maybe country as a replacement. He too in my opinion will only be a fringe player - a squad member. If it was any other young minor then I would question it but as Mooney does not play snr football with his club (which is what any good minor should be looking to do) and will be gone next year who cares? Who cares about his development - let Collingwood worry about that.

The real issue here is not about James's decision to call him up but with those who have refused to let him line out for his club seniors for what ever reason. If I was his fellow club man I
would be dissapointed.

I would have thought that the call up and use of Eoin McCartan to be more of an issue to other members of the sqaud as afterall he is a player who is physically limited due to injury.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 07, 2011, 01:59:17 PM
The new draw has fairly kept the big teams apart.

Quite a few games should be close, but I'd expect Ballyholland, Loughinisland, Rostrevor, Clonduff, Mayobridge, Burren, Bryansford and Kilcoo will all be 4/6 or worse in the betting, and should make up the quarters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: smokeyjoe on June 07, 2011, 02:13:00 PM
Paddy Heaney gives Clarke a hard time in his column today! I wonder would many out there agree with him, worth a read for those interested!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on June 07, 2011, 02:28:50 PM
anyone know the plans for the east down u14 and reserve leagues for the rest of the year? The east down board have started playing 2 matches a week to get the current u14 leagues finished, what happens when the last couple of games are played? and is the reserve league a 2 round league?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 07, 2011, 02:32:43 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on June 07, 2011, 01:59:00 PM
On the Mooney addition, I dont think there should be much of a fuss. Down through the years theres always been the odd exceptional minor who has been involved with the senior squad (ie) Benny and Colm McAlarney to name a couple and they were exceptional. And Mooney we would all agree is exceptional given his performances at under age so far and particularly in big games.

So if one or two fringe players have left the panel whats wrong with calling up the best 18 year old in the county and maybe country as a replacement. He too in my opinion will only be a fringe player - a squad member. If it was any other young minor then I would question it but as Mooney does not play snr football with his club (which is what any good minor should be looking to do) and will be gone next year who cares? Who cares about his development - let Collingwood worry about that.

The real issue here is not about James's decision to call him up but with those who have refused to let him line out for his club seniors for what ever reason. If I was his fellow club man I
would be dissapointed.

I would have thought that the call up and use of Eoin McCartan to be more of an issue to other members of the sqaud as afterall he is a player who is physically limited due to injury.

Who would you being talking about?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Joe Umbrella (hey) on June 07, 2011, 04:22:59 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 07, 2011, 02:32:43 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on June 07, 2011, 01:59:00 PM
On the Mooney addition, I dont think there should be much of a fuss. Down through the years theres always been the odd exceptional minor who has been involved with the senior squad (ie) Benny and Colm McAlarney to name a couple and they were exceptional. And Mooney we would all agree is exceptional given his performances at under age so far and particularly in big games.

So if one or two fringe players have left the panel whats wrong with calling up the best 18 year old in the county and maybe country as a replacement. He too in my opinion will only be a fringe player - a squad member. If it was any other young minor then I would question it but as Mooney does not play snr football with his club (which is what any good minor should be looking to do) and will be gone next year who cares? Who cares about his development - let Collingwood worry about that.

The real issue here is not about James's decision to call him up but with those who have refused to let him line out for his club seniors for what ever reason. If I was his fellow club man I
would be dissapointed.

I would have thought that the call up and use of Eoin McCartan to be more of an issue to other members of the sqaud as afterall he is a player who is physically limited due to injury.

Who would you being talking about?


I was maybe a tad harsh with that statement.

I dont actually know who. Maybe himself, school teachers, parents, club officials or whoever, there must be some reason why he has'nt played at senior club level? And I cant say I blame them due to burn out etc. The point is, he is playing senior football now - with the county and maybe his club would love to have him onboard for rest of the summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 07, 2011, 04:40:13 PM
Yes the club would love to have him playing for the seniors (he does play minor). It would be more of a personal reason rather than anyone in the club which is stopping him from doing so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on June 07, 2011, 06:02:06 PM
Does anyone know if there's any EDRFL matches this Sunday evening? + when the Dromara v St.Michaels RFC replay is being played? Thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on June 07, 2011, 08:13:59 PM
Quote from: Joe Umbrella (hey) on June 07, 2011, 01:33:09 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on June 06, 2011, 05:14:45 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 06, 2011, 01:40:09 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on June 06, 2011, 01:14:48 PM
Ronan Sexton and Sean Murdock are no longer on the panel, Aidan Carr I cant confirm, maybe somebody else can?

Agree with those that dont agree with the decision, not fair on the lad or those that are already on the panel.  A huge step up, it took benny a bit of time to make an impact and he had played a bit of senior club football before playing for the county i think. ( stand by to be corrected on that )

Mooney is an exceptional talent, is he as good as coulter was at that age? I dont no, does he have the same impact on games that coulter did? I dont no, is he ready for intercounty senior football, no imo.

The other point is that it smacks of short term thinking.  He is going to be there next year so unless they think he can come in and make an impact immediately, what is the point?

John Clarke, Mickey Magee and Kevin Anderson are also no nonger members of the squad im led to believe.

Can hardly balm J Clarke, the way he has been treated is a joke!

What way has he been treated? Surely you are not referring to him being subsitituted against Armagh?

Theres no doubt that John Clarke is a fine footballer and that he has all the skills required for playng with the county but maybe he does not have the mentality for the big games? Too often he goes missing and just doe'nt produce the goods. I was very suprised he started against Armagh given the displays of Murtagh and Lavery in the league game. IMO he is still worth his place in the panel but just not the starting 15 at the minute given the options in the forward line.

Meaning that he was one of our better player against Mayo in the league, scoring 1-1,  then dosent get a minute of football and is thrown into a championship game expecting to play a blinder, thats my point!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: waitingforsam on June 08, 2011, 09:25:34 AM
Sorry to read the article on the back to todays irish news.

Best of luck John, you served the county well.

The armchair critics on here will have to take a good look in the mirror.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on June 08, 2011, 09:41:55 AM
Thats two newspaper articles in two days about the "faceless" critics on the discussion boards who are doing all the harm.  Looking back through the history of this board will show that last september, august, july when the county were building up a head of steam - there was nothing but positivity and everyone was full of praise for certain individuals.  They werent writing in the papers thanking us - no - they were lapping up the praise and watching their own heads getting bigger by the day.  Now the shit hits the fan and - as always - we express our opinion - and they throw their toys outta the pram.  Grow up county boys.  If you are good enough to take the praise - then take the constructive criticism. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: waitingforsam on June 08, 2011, 09:51:50 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on June 08, 2011, 09:41:55 AM
Thats two newspaper articles in two days about the "faceless" critics on the discussion boards who are doing all the harm.  Looking back through the history of this board will show that last september, august, july when the county were building up a head of steam - there was nothing but positivity and everyone was full of praise for certain individuals.  They werent writing in the papers thanking us - no - they were lapping up the praise and watching their own heads getting bigger by the day.  Now the shit hits the fan and - as always - we express our opinion - and they throw their toys outta the pram.  Grow up county boys.  If you are good enough to take the praise - then take the constructive criticism.

I think the term constructive criticism may be up for debate in this instance. Most of us get carried away with what we type on the spur of the moment comments, some are very well articulated.

There is constructive & destructive criticism.

Its James' job to give constructive, & its seems that this site has taken on the role - in some cases - of destructive.

Its a discussion board & we can all air our "views", but how far do we push the boat out before we fall into the band of destructive criticism . . . .

Mirror mirror on the wall.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 08, 2011, 10:06:40 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on June 08, 2011, 09:41:55 AM
Thats two newspaper articles in two days about the "faceless" critics on the discussion boards who are doing all the harm.  Looking back through the history of this board will show that last september, august, july when the county were building up a head of steam - there was nothing but positivity and everyone was full of praise for certain individuals.  They werent writing in the papers thanking us - no - they were lapping up the praise and watching their own heads getting bigger by the day.  Now the shit hits the fan and - as always - we express our opinion - and they throw their toys outta the pram.  Grow up county boys.  If you are good enough to take the praise - then take the constructive criticism.

Sorry I didn't read the article you are talking about. I am totally confused by your comment. Did John Clarke blame the discussion boards for his decision to quit? That's what it sounds like you are saying
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 08, 2011, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on June 08, 2011, 09:41:55 AM
Thats two newspaper articles in two days about the "faceless" critics on the discussion boards who are doing all the harm.  Looking back through the history of this board will show that last september, august, july when the county were building up a head of steam - there was nothing but positivity and everyone was full of praise for certain individuals.  They werent writing in the papers thanking us - no - they were lapping up the praise and watching their own heads getting bigger by the day.  Now the shit hits the fan and - as always - we express our opinion - and they throw their toys outta the pram.  Grow up county boys.  If you are good enough to take the praise - then take the constructive criticism.

You certainly werent on praising anyone p***k,

Your a complete tool   >:(

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: waitingforsam on June 08, 2011, 10:30:33 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on June 08, 2011, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on June 08, 2011, 09:41:55 AM
Thats two newspaper articles in two days about the "faceless" critics on the discussion boards who are doing all the harm.  Looking back through the history of this board will show that last september, august, july when the county were building up a head of steam - there was nothing but positivity and everyone was full of praise for certain individuals.  They werent writing in the papers thanking us - no - they were lapping up the praise and watching their own heads getting bigger by the day.  Now the shit hits the fan and - as always - we express our opinion - and they throw their toys outta the pram.  Grow up county boys.  If you are good enough to take the praise - then take the constructive criticism.

You certainly werent on praising anyone p***k,

Your a complete tool   >:(

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack94 on June 08, 2011, 11:11:17 AM
I think anyone who posts comments on this forum about "fellow clubmen" should be ashamed of themselves.If someone doesnt want to play for a senior team accept it and move on!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 08, 2011, 11:37:31 AM
Good luck to John always tried his best and a complete gentleman . Could do what Murtagh did and come back later in the year all the best
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on June 08, 2011, 12:53:47 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on June 08, 2011, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on June 08, 2011, 09:41:55 AM
Thats two newspaper articles in two days about the "faceless" critics on the discussion boards who are doing all the harm.  Looking back through the history of this board will show that last september, august, july when the county were building up a head of steam - there was nothing but positivity and everyone was full of praise for certain individuals.  They werent writing in the papers thanking us - no - they were lapping up the praise and watching their own heads getting bigger by the day.  Now the shit hits the fan and - as always - we express our opinion - and they throw their toys outta the pram.  Grow up county boys.  If you are good enough to take the praise - then take the constructive criticism.

You certainly werent on praising anyone p***k,

Your a complete tool   >:(

Your someone til talk alright and redandblackareback is in the same category.  Two peas in the same runt pod. ;D

No he didnt say that was his main reason for retiring but he mentioned these discussion boards as did benny yesterday. Yes we are in some cases constructive and in some cases destructive - but its all for the love of the game.  we say what we see out ther - maybe James should do likewise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 08, 2011, 01:33:20 PM
Schools must be finishing up with some of the talk on here. Gabshite season.

On the retirement of John Clarke, he owes nothing to the supporters of Down.
For a lad who has been a county mainstay for the guts of 11 years he has represented not only his county but also his club and family with great aplomb and i for one would applaud and appreciate his efforts down through the years.

There was a time when we were in the doldrums for a few seasons and and John Clarke was the go-to man who was shifted and shunted about the team to fill gaps, whether it was playing at full back, corner back, wing back or anywhere in the forward line he always did the business, his effort and comittment and quality could never be questioned.

From a young age John oozed class and ye could tell he would be an excellent intercounty senior. He was one of those players who had a proper head on his shoulders, had the skills and temperment to play and excel at the highest level. Its sad that John has decided to call it a day for whatever reasons, i guess now his club will fully benefit and he will continue to destroy full-backs at club level. not an obituary by any means, he may be back in the red and black at some stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on June 08, 2011, 03:16:44 PM
John Clarke Retires - For All You Clowns Out There I Hope Use Are Happy!
Especially That Pauly2, You Are A True and Utter G**S****
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 08, 2011, 04:14:39 PM
Does anyone know why John has really quit?

There is no way it is over fan criticism, he and all the Down players received a lot more in years gone past than they do now.

Has he got other family/work commitments that make it difficult to be part of the squad?

Perhaps he just feels that at 28 if he is slipping out of the first team and he doesn't want to fight to get back in. If that is the case then I don't blame him, but it is a pity because he could have been a useful squad member. At least it makes things a bit clearer that if fit then out starting six will probably be McGinn-Poland-Hughes, McComiskey-Coulter-Clarke, with first choice reserve being Murtagh then Laverty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 08, 2011, 07:51:57 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on July 18, 2010, 12:31:23 PM
Yes - they were hard to understand. JC is the ideal target man- mobile,skilful,strong and intelligent.When you add in the telepathic radar from Marty , and the clear joy Benny has playing alongside him, he should be the first man on the team-sheet- not the first( or second) man off.

This is a sad day for Down.Super player, decent lad , great servant.
As MDG has said, this month will be a test for James. It feels like the sombre mood after losing to Tyrone last year.That hangover continued in to the Longford game and indeed the Offaly game- when John Clarke pulled us out of trouble by the boot-strings and prompted my quote above- and was promptly taken off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on June 08, 2011, 08:01:13 PM
Have to wonder at the timing so soon after another forward (young Mooney) is aclled into the squad when it is clear to all that our problems are elsewhere in the team - same as they were last year.
Best of luck to John - a great asset to  any team and in his early county acreer came in after Blaney at 11 and wasn't disgraced.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 08, 2011, 09:38:31 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 08, 2011, 01:33:20 PM
Schools must be finishing up with some of the talk on here. Gabshite season.

On the retirement of John Clarke, he owes nothing to the supporters of Down.
For a lad who has been a county mainstay for the guts of 11 years he has represented not only his county but also his club and family with great aplomb and i for one would applaud and appreciate his efforts down through the years.

There was a time when we were in the doldrums for a few seasons and and John Clarke was the go-to man who was shifted and shunted about the team to fill gaps, whether it was playing at full back, corner back, wing back or anywhere in the forward line he always did the business, his effort and comittment and quality could never be questioned.

From a young age John oozed class and ye could tell he would be an excellent intercounty senior. He was one of those players who had a proper head on his shoulders, had the skills and temperment to play and excel at the highest level. Its sad that John has decided to call it a day for whatever reasons, i guess now his club will fully benefit and he will continue to destroy full-backs at club level. not an obituary by any means, he may be back in the red and black at some stage.

Excellently put. John is a great fella and a very competant footballer and i hope we see him back in the near future in the red and black.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 08, 2011, 10:58:51 PM
John Clarke has been an outstanding player for Down over the last decade, and would have filled at least ten different positions in championship football. When Leo suggests that John came in after Greg Blaney at no 11, he may be thinking of Shane Mulholland. Greg retired in 1997 and John made his debut in 2001 at corner back. He had a couple of seasons at centre half, and I can remember him at full back against Meath in the qualifiers. We could have done worse than make him an extra defender at least temporarily when the Armagh forwards were pulling us apart at the Athletic Grounds last month, rather than hauling him off when he had only received a single pass. He was excellent for most of last season as a target man for Marty and made the space which McComiskey, Benny and others were able to exploit. It is possible that his pace is no longer quite there, but he deserves the highest praise for everything he has done for his county from his minor days up to the present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 08, 2011, 11:38:28 PM
Represented this county with great honour at minor, u21 and senior level. Played in our first all ireland final in 16years and provided us with many enjoyable days out last summer and over the last 10 years. All the best to John and will surely continue to play club football for many a year to come! Hope the wheels dont come off the Down wagon over the next few weeks, do think with a bit of luck and a reasonable draw we will be along with Tyrone the only Ulster representation in the last 8!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on June 09, 2011, 08:57:46 AM
John has been a long servant of Down football and obvisiously for some good reason but hes now hitting the headlines for stupid things he has said to the papers.   John from my point of view over this past 3/4 years has been a real let down in the standard of football hes being playing.   Im sorry to say that he should have made this decision back then rather than now.  He has been poor for the county over this time so i think he has to be a man and take this critism and maybe it would help him be a better player.   The only reason John played all last year was due to the winning roll the team got on and James wanted to keep the team as stable as possible unlss of an injury.   Johns time is up (and has been as long time) and can now relax and just play for his club and maybe try and enjoy the game again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 09, 2011, 05:13:32 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on June 09, 2011, 08:57:46 AM
John has been a long servant of Down football and obvisiously for some good reason but hes now hitting the headlines for stupid things he has said to the papers.   John from my point of view over this past 3/4 years has been a real let down in the standard of football hes being playing.   Im sorry to say that he should have made this decision back then rather than now.  He has been poor for the county over this time so i think he has to be a man and take this critism and maybe it would help him be a better player.   The only reason John played all last year was due to the winning roll the team got on and James wanted to keep the team as stable as possible unlss of an injury.   Johns time is up (and has been as long time) and can now relax and just play for his club and maybe try and enjoy the game again

Brick Tamlin's point in a nut shell.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 09, 2011, 09:45:53 PM
ACFL Division 1

An Riocht 0-12 Ballyholland 2-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on June 10, 2011, 12:02:33 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 08, 2011, 10:58:51 PM
John Clarke has been an outstanding player for Down over the last decade, and would have filled at least ten different positions in championship football. When Leo suggests that John came in after Greg Blaney at no 11, he may be thinking of Shane Mulholland. Greg retired in 1997 and John made his debut in 2001 at corner back. He had a couple of seasons at centre half, and I can remember him at full back against Meath in the qualifiers. We could have done worse than make him an extra defender at least temporarily when the Armagh forwards were pulling us apart at the Athletic Grounds last month, rather than hauling him off when he had only received a single pass. He was excellent for most of last season as a target man for Marty and made the space which McComiskey, Benny and others were able to exploit. It is possible that his pace is no longer quite there, but he deserves the highest praise for everything he has done for his county from his minor days up to the present.

Point taken MR, and it may have been a bit of wishful thinking on my part. The Mulholland period was brief and, in my opinion, hyped beyond ability, but as much as John may have been the classic "utility player" - I hate that phrase - in his early days he looked to me like a centre half forwarxd who could win bad ball and use it constructively - hence the comparison. In later years he surprised me with his ability as a target player up front and I admire him greatly. Sadly we are still waiting for the new Blaney.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 10, 2011, 10:42:16 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 10, 2011, 12:02:33 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 08, 2011, 10:58:51 PM
John Clarke has been an outstanding player for Down over the last decade, and would have filled at least ten different positions in championship football. When Leo suggests that John came in after Greg Blaney at no 11, he may be thinking of Shane Mulholland. Greg retired in 1997 and John made his debut in 2001 at corner back. He had a couple of seasons at centre half, and I can remember him at full back against Meath in the qualifiers. We could have done worse than make him an extra defender at least temporarily when the Armagh forwards were pulling us apart at the Athletic Grounds last month, rather than hauling him off when he had only received a single pass. He was excellent for most of last season as a target man for Marty and made the space which McComiskey, Benny and others were able to exploit. It is possible that his pace is no longer quite there, .or his county from his minor days up to the present.

Point taken MR, and it may have been a bit of wishful thinking on my part. The Mulholland period was brief and, in my opinion, hyped beyond ability, but as much as John may have been the classic "utility player" - I hate that phrase - in his early days he looked to me like a centre half forwarxd who could win bad ball and use it constructively - hence the comparison. In later years he surprised me with his ability as a target player up front and I admire him greatly. Sadly we are still waiting for the new Blaney.

While I might be biased Leo I have to disagree with you on the "hyped beyond ability" comment. Shane was playing on a Down team at the end of the 90s early noughties that was creaking with age and not a lot else coming through.....he was as a good a player as we had in Down at that time. Unfortunatley his colleagues were either great players with miles on the clock or youngsters trying to prove themselves. He didnt get many favours from Wee Pete or PO'R either in fairness. Myself and a mate met Brian McEniff in Bundoran one Sunday morning a few years ago on our way for the cure. We had a great chat with him and when he heard where we came from he sang Mulholland's praises. He had just managed the 2000 Ulster team to win the Railway Cup and Shane was centre half forward on that team. McEniff told us he was as good a centre half forward as he had ever managed......I've a feeling he knows a small bit more than me or you about footballers Leo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 10, 2011, 11:40:54 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 10, 2011, 10:42:16 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 10, 2011, 12:02:33 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 08, 2011, 10:58:51 PM
John Clarke has been an outstanding player for Down over the last decade, and would have filled at least ten different positions in championship football. When Leo suggests that John came in after Greg Blaney at no 11, he may be thinking of Shane Mulholland. Greg retired in 1997 and John made his debut in 2001 at corner back. He had a couple of seasons at centre half, and I can remember him at full back against Meath in the qualifiers. We could have done worse than make him an extra defender at least temporarily when the Armagh forwards were pulling us apart at the Athletic Grounds last month, rather than hauling him off when he had only received a single pass. He was excellent for most of last season as a target man for Marty and made the space which McComiskey, Benny and others were able to exploit. It is possible that his pace is no longer quite there, .or his county from his minor days up to the present.

Point taken MR, and it may have been a bit of wishful thinking on my part. The Mulholland period was brief and, in my opinion, hyped beyond ability, but as much as John may have been the classic "utility player" - I hate that phrase - in his early days he looked to me like a centre half forwarxd who could win bad ball and use it constructively - hence the comparison. In later years he surprised me with his ability as a target player up front and I admire him greatly. Sadly we are still waiting for the new Blaney.

While I might be biased Leo I have to disagree with you on the "hyped beyond ability" comment. Shane was playing on a Down team at the end of the 90s early noughties that was creaking with age and not a lot else coming through.....he was as a good a player as we had in Down at that time. Unfortunatley his colleagues were either great players with miles on the clock or youngsters trying to prove themselves. He didnt get many favours from Wee Pete or PO'R either in fairness. Myself and a mate met Brian McEniff in Bundoran one Sunday morning a few years ago on our way for the cure. We had a great chat with him and when he heard where we came from he sang Mulholland's praises. He had just managed the 2000 Ulster team to win the Railway Cup and Shane was centre half forward on that team. McEniff told us he was as good a centre half forward as he had ever managed......I've a feeling he knows a small bit more than me or you about footballers Leo.
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+1 5sams.. Mulholland was a class act, some seriously deluded opinions on this board these days  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 10, 2011, 12:02:03 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 10, 2011, 10:42:16 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 10, 2011, 12:02:33 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 08, 2011, 10:58:51 PM
John Clarke has been an outstanding player for Down over the last decade, and would have filled at least ten different positions in championship football. When Leo suggests that John came in after Greg Blaney at no 11, he may be thinking of Shane Mulholland. Greg retired in 1997 and John made his debut in 2001 at corner back. He had a couple of seasons at centre half, and I can remember him at full back against Meath in the qualifiers. We could have done worse than make him an extra defender at least temporarily when the Armagh forwards were pulling us apart at the Athletic Grounds last month, rather than hauling him off when he had only received a single pass. He was excellent for most of last season as a target man for Marty and made the space which McComiskey, Benny and others were able to exploit. It is possible that his pace is no longer quite there, .or his county from his minor days up to the present.

Point taken MR, and it may have been a bit of wishful thinking on my part. The Mulholland period was brief and, in my opinion, hyped beyond ability, but as much as John may have been the classic "utility player" - I hate that phrase - in his early days he looked to me like a centre half forwarxd who could win bad ball and use it constructively - hence the comparison. In later years he surprised me with his ability as a target player up front and I admire him greatly. Sadly we are still waiting for the new Blaney.

While I might be biased Leo I have to disagree with you on the "hyped beyond ability" comment. Shane was playing on a Down team at the end of the 90s early noughties that was creaking with age and not a lot else coming through.....he was as a good a player as we had in Down at that time. Unfortunatley his colleagues were either great players with miles on the clock or youngsters trying to prove themselves. He didnt get many favours from Wee Pete or PO'R either in fairness. Myself and a mate met Brian McEniff in Bundoran one Sunday morning a few years ago on our way for the cure. We had a great chat with him and when he heard where we came from he sang Mulholland's praises. He had just managed the 2000 Ulster team to win the Railway Cup and Shane was centre half forward on that team. McEniff told us he was as good a centre half forward as he had ever managed......I've a feeling he knows a small bit more than me or you about footballers Leo.

I drift in and out of this thread now that I am a Down resident for my sins.  I have to say that anyone who reckons that Mulholland is over rated hasn't a clue about football.  I played with and against Shane for many years and I can categorically put my hand on my heart and say he was the singular best CHF I played with, as a pure CHF.  He had an engine like no one else, he could see things that others couldn't and he could deliver the killer pass that no one would risk.  Coupled with his scoring ability he had it all.  He was shit upon by the county management and also was unfortunate to have been an inbetween player in terms of timing.  I'll tell you how high I rate him.  As an all round player he would put Martin Clarke in the ha'penny place.  I often wonder if people have ever watched the games over the years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 10, 2011, 12:17:33 PM
Mulholland was a classy player and one that was a joy to watch. In 1999 against Tyrone in Casement he was superb. He is doing rightly now in management and has the Harps level with near neigbours Burren and the Bridge in the top flight after securing promotion last year just prior to the half way stage in the league which is no mean feat considering they have played most of their games without injured talisman Ronan Murtagh.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 10, 2011, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 09, 2011, 09:45:53 PM
ACFL Division 1

An Riocht 0-12 Ballyholland 2-9

A very satisfying result for us last night. We were minus Murtagh and one or two other starters and Murph was playing on one leg for most of the game but we still beat a full strength Kingdom team comfortably enough in the end despite being down by two at half time.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 10, 2011, 01:14:37 PM
Have to agree with broken cross bar on Mulholland . I have know Shane all my life and have played alongside him and against him and have the utmost respect for him . No one could pick out a killer pass like him always thinking 2 steps ahead of everyone else . Even when he was coming to an end of his career and was carring the bit of weight his brain carried him through . You are right MDG the Harps  have won most of their games without Ronan which is a great achievement . Shane has them working well together and it would do Ballyholland the world of good to stay up for another year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 10, 2011, 04:17:07 PM
As a young player Mulholland was amazing, As a senior county player, well he just never had the chances that he needed. For the various reasons quoted here, we never got to see him play with a team that could have most benefited from his talent. Were he 21 today he would be a sure starter for the county.

By the way Ballyholland people - What's the news on Murtagh and Murphy, will they be ready for the qualifier round 1?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 10, 2011, 04:20:34 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 10, 2011, 04:17:07 PM
As a young player Mulholland was amazing, As a senior county player, well he just never had the chances that he needed. For the various reasons quoted here, we never got to see him play with a team that could have most benefited from his talent. Were he 21 today he would be a sure starter for the county.

By the way Ballyholland people - What's the news on Murtagh and Murphy, will they be ready for the qualifier round 1?

Yep....they were ready for the Armagh game as well :-\ ...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on June 10, 2011, 08:52:16 PM
Result from division 3
Glenn 1-10 Kilclief 0-16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 10, 2011, 09:05:05 PM
Rostrevor 1-8 Bryansford 1-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 10, 2011, 09:20:09 PM
Division 3
Dundrum 1-14  St Johns 1-08

Massive result for us coming off a 21 point hiding against Kilclief last week. Our first win in five games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on June 10, 2011, 09:24:14 PM
Division 2
Shamrocks 2-14 Drumgath 2-3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 10, 2011, 09:36:00 PM
Burren 0-8 Kilcoo 2-13

Absoultly phenomenal display from Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on June 10, 2011, 10:03:20 PM
Kilcoo clicked tonight, Burren goalkeeper misjudged a long ball and it bounced into his net. Kilcoo never looked back from this. Burren looked to have a strong team out including both McCartan brothers. The game was played at high intensity with a few friendly fistycuffs ironed out with the help of a few yellow cards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on June 10, 2011, 10:04:51 PM
Great result for Kilcoo - who were the star men MDG?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 10, 2011, 11:19:07 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on June 10, 2011, 10:04:51 PM
Great result for Kilcoo - who were the star men MDG?

As a team Kilcoo where superb. All six defenders excelled while James McClean gave a great display of high fielding in midfield ably assisted by Felim McGreevy. In attack Anthony Devlin won his battle with Dan McCartan, Laverty caused mayhem while the half forward line of Paul Devlin, Darragh Ohanlon and Barry Kane worked like trojans and scored 1-10 out of the 2-13 between them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 11, 2011, 01:08:27 PM
Any other scores from last night ?Are posters not talking to the Board ? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 11, 2011, 01:51:03 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 10, 2011, 11:19:07 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on June 10, 2011, 10:04:51 PM
Great result for Kilcoo - who were the star men MDG?

As a team Kilcoo where superb. All six defenders excelled while James McClean gave a great display of high fielding in midfield ably assisted by Felim McGreevy. In attack Anthony Devlin won his battle with Dan McCartan, Laverty caused mayhem while the half forward line of Paul Devlin, Darragh Ohanlon and Barry Kane worked like trojans and scored 1-10 out of the 2-13 between them.

Sounds like a fluid performance. Maybe we weren't so bad against you after all! However...I think one of your forwards won't be best pleased he is the only one not mentioned in your praise :D

Ps Caolan played the second half for Rostrevor last night for those who were talking about him not having played senior football!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on June 11, 2011, 03:34:55 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 11, 2011, 01:51:03 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 10, 2011, 11:19:07 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on June 10, 2011, 10:04:51 PM
Great result for Kilcoo - who were the star men MDG?

As a team Kilcoo where superb. All six defenders excelled while James McClean gave a great display of high fielding in midfield ably assisted by Felim McGreevy. In attack Anthony Devlin won his battle with Dan McCartan, Laverty caused mayhem while the half forward line of Paul Devlin, Darragh Ohanlon and Barry Kane worked like trojans and scored 1-10 out of the 2-13 between them.

Sounds like a fluid performance. Maybe we weren't so bad against you after all! However...I think one of your forwards won't be best pleased he is the only one not mentioned in your praise :D

Ps Caolan played the second half for Rostrevor last night for those who were talking about him not having played senior football!



How did he go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 11, 2011, 03:45:03 PM
stone beat clonduff by 3 pts. stone seem to be on the way up while the yellas just cant get a result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 11, 2011, 04:11:45 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 11, 2011, 01:51:03 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 10, 2011, 11:19:07 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on June 10, 2011, 10:04:51 PM
Great result for Kilcoo - who were the star men MDG?

As a team Kilcoo where superb. All six defenders excelled while James McClean gave a great display of high fielding in midfield ably assisted by Felim McGreevy. In attack Anthony Devlin won his battle with Dan McCartan, Laverty caused mayhem while the half forward line of Paul Devlin, Darragh Ohanlon and Barry Kane worked like trojans and scored 1-10 out of the 2-13 between them.

Sounds like a fluid performance. Maybe we weren't so bad against you after all! However...I think one of your forwards won't be best pleased he is the only one not mentioned in your praise :D

Ps Caolan played the second half for Rostrevor last night for those who were talking about him not having played senior football!

:o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on June 11, 2011, 04:56:03 PM
I listened to an RTE radio 1 interview with John Clarke just now, He spoke very well and got his point across perfect as to his reasons for quitting Co Down. The Armagh match being one reason and citing criticism from message boards like this one as another. He mentioned how easy it is to criticise someone from behind a computer and he's right. It is indeed an amauter sport and one of the few perks is for your family to read your name in newspaper or a message board like this one but not in the muddy manner he and others have had to endure. Easy on folks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on June 11, 2011, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: John Martin on June 10, 2011, 08:52:16 PM
Result from division 3
Glenn 1-10 Kilclief 0-16

wondeing what happened glenn last night john martin? or minus 15?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 11, 2011, 07:55:26 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on June 11, 2011, 03:34:55 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 11, 2011, 01:51:03 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 10, 2011, 11:19:07 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on June 10, 2011, 10:04:51 PM
Great result for Kilcoo - who were the star men MDG?

As a team Kilcoo where superb. All six defenders excelled while James McClean gave a great display of high fielding in midfield ably assisted by Felim McGreevy. In attack Anthony Devlin won his battle with Dan McCartan, Laverty caused mayhem while the half forward line of Paul Devlin, Darragh Ohanlon and Barry Kane worked like trojans and scored 1-10 out of the 2-13 between them.

Sounds like a fluid performance. Maybe we weren't so bad against you after all! However...I think one of your forwards won't be best pleased he is the only one not mentioned in your praise :D

Ps Caolan played the second half for Rostrevor last night for those who were talking about him not having played senior football!



How did he go?

Was moved about a fair bit when he came on, corner forward, wing forward, and ended up deeper than that - did rightly though. Scored a point, linked up well without individually standing out. Certainly didn't look out of place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on June 12, 2011, 01:52:02 AM
Quote from: general on June 11, 2011, 06:48:02 PM
Quote from: John Martin on June 10, 2011, 08:52:16 PM
Result from division 3
Glenn 1-10 Kilclief 0-16

wondeing what happened glenn last night john martin? or minus 15?

They got beat by the better team on the night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 12, 2011, 06:05:16 PM
down drawn away to clare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on June 12, 2011, 07:58:07 PM
Quote from: Oglach on June 11, 2011, 04:56:03 PM
I listened to an RTE radio 1 interview with John Clarke just now, He spoke very well and got his point across perfect as to his reasons for quitting Co Down. The Armagh match being one reason and citing criticism from message boards like this one as another. He mentioned how easy it is to criticise someone from behind a computer and he's right. It is indeed an amauter sport and one of the few perks is for your family to read your name in newspaper or a message board like this one but not in the muddy manner he and others have had to endure. Easy on folks.

Or grow a set of swingers John!!  He quit intercounty football because of what a few boyo's in here said...If thats his reason, then see ya later!  I cant recall too many blaming John Clarke for the counties failings, this year or in any previous years.  Perhaps he hasn't transferred his sizzling club form to the county set-up as well as most would have liked, but he was far from awful any time I've seen him!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 12, 2011, 09:32:52 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 12, 2011, 07:58:07 PM
Quote from: Oglach on June 11, 2011, 04:56:03 PM
I listened to an RTE radio 1 interview with John Clarke just now, He spoke very well and got his point across perfect as to his reasons for quitting Co Down. The Armagh match being one reason and citing criticism from message boards like this one as another. He mentioned how easy it is to criticise someone from behind a computer and he's right. It is indeed an amauter sport and one of the few perks is for your family to read your name in newspaper or a message board like this one but not in the muddy manner he and others have had to endure. Easy on folks.

Or grow a set of swingers John!!  He quit intercounty football because of what a few boyo's in here said...If thats his reason, then see ya later!  I cant recall too many blaming John Clarke for the counties failings, this year or in any previous years.  Perhaps he hasn't transferred his sizzling club form to the county set-up as well as most would have liked, but he was far from awful any time I've seen him!

mmmmmmmmmmm im sure you have played a lot too !!!  ::)

Away to Clare, should be an easy win.. Get us back on track!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 12, 2011, 09:54:49 PM
The draw is clearly a very favourable one for Down, although we need to remember that, until last year, our away performances in the qualifiers were regularly dire. Under our present management, despite their bad night at the Athletic Grounds, it is difficult to see anything less than a disciplined and focused visit to Ennis.

Clare's form in the NFL division one was pretty poor this season, with their only wins coming against London, Kilkenny and Longford. They managed to lose to Fermanagh by about eight points, which was hardly a good sign, and Cork beat them 15 points in the Munster championship. Clare have had some decent football sides in the past, and I seem to recall Down losing a league game away to them in the early 1990s, but things should be different this time round.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on June 12, 2011, 11:39:45 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 12, 2011, 09:54:49 PM
The draw is clearly a very favourable one for Down, although we need to remember that, until last year, our away performances in the qualifiers were regularly dire. Under our present management, despite their bad night at the Athletic Grounds, it is difficult to see anything less than a disciplined and focused visit to Ennis.

Clare's form in the NFL division one was pretty poor this season, with their only wins coming against London, Kilkenny and Longford. They managed to lose to Fermanagh by about eight points, which was hardly a good sign, and Cork beat them 15 points in the Munster championship. Clare have had some decent football sides in the past, and I seem to recall Down losing a league game away to them in the early 1990s, but things should be different this time round.

Did I miss something this year MR?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 13, 2011, 02:22:31 AM
Bad draw for Down, we need a tough game against quality opposition to restore confidence and morale, these comparitively easy games pull teams down off championship pace, to early in season, and its difficult to regain momentum. If we win as expected, there is no credit, but if Clare even manage to put it up to us then the doubts and questions arise. Not what we need right now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on June 13, 2011, 09:42:48 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on June 13, 2011, 02:22:31 AM
Bad draw for Down, we need a tough game against quality opposition to restore confidence and morale, these comparitively easy games pull teams down off championship pace, to early in season, and its difficult to regain momentum. If we win as expected, there is no credit, but if Clare even manage to put it up to us then the doubts and questions arise. Not what we need right now
I believe the opposite to be true.  Down had a good run in the qualifiers last year for the first time due to gathering momentum from meeting teams from league divisions 4,3,2,1 in that order.
Every other year we met that "tough game against quality opposition" as you put it, and our season was over. What good did that do?
As the Qualifiers are 4 weeks in a row there will be plenty of opportunities to test themselves. The main objective is to make it to round 2 (where we started last year).
Páirc Esler would have been nice but we can't have everything ;D It is most definitely a good draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 13, 2011, 10:17:45 AM
Not a good draw for a travelling fan. I am not looking forward to the 4 hour each-way journey! And funds are now too low for an overnighter. It's gonna be a long day on Sat 25th.

Have the times of the matches been fixed? Normally they are around 2pm aren't they?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 13, 2011, 10:39:36 AM
Just heard the Clare game is fixed for Saturday 25th June at 3pm in Ennis. Long oul day ahead of us :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on June 13, 2011, 02:42:49 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on June 12, 2011, 09:32:52 PM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on June 12, 2011, 07:58:07 PM
Quote from: Oglach on June 11, 2011, 04:56:03 PM
I listened to an RTE radio 1 interview with John Clarke just now, He spoke very well and got his point across perfect as to his reasons for quitting Co Down. The Armagh match being one reason and citing criticism from message boards like this one as another. He mentioned how easy it is to criticise someone from behind a computer and he's right. It is indeed an amauter sport and one of the few perks is for your family to read your name in newspaper or a message board like this one but not in the muddy manner he and others have had to endure. Easy on folks.

Or grow a set of swingers John!!  He quit intercounty football because of what a few boyo's in here said...If thats his reason, then see ya later!  I cant recall too many blaming John Clarke for the counties failings, this year or in any previous years.  Perhaps he hasn't transferred his sizzling club form to the county set-up as well as most would have liked, but he was far from awful any time I've seen him!

mmmmmmmmmmm im sure you have played a lot too !!!  ::)


Mmmmmmmmmmmmm...played enough over the years yes.....Whats your point?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 13, 2011, 02:53:59 PM
any report on the friendly with Kildare at the weekend. I hear we were beat by 2 points and that Doyle got the full 70 minutes. Any reports on it lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 13, 2011, 05:09:28 PM
Never heard about the challenge game snoop . See that the Clare game is on at 3 o clock on the sat . I went to Ennis not so long ago to a dancing feis in under 3 hours .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 13, 2011, 08:02:17 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on June 13, 2011, 05:09:28 PM
Never heard about the challenge game snoop . See that the Clare game is on at 3 o clock on the sat . I went to Ennis not so long ago to a dancing feis in under 3 hours .

Any room on your private jet for the rest of us NP? :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eire2010 on June 13, 2011, 09:16:13 PM
Scary to hear such a young kilcoo side hammering the down team (Burren) last weeken.> Defonitley gonna be championship contenders for a long number of years!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 13, 2011, 11:18:17 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 13, 2011, 10:39:36 AM
Just heard the Clare game is fixed for Saturday 25th June at 3pm in Ennis. Long oul day ahead of us :-\

Unless you make a weekend of it 5 Sams!  We'll see how many of last September's glory boys are in attendance at this one.  Bound to be a few decent pubs in Ennis!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 13, 2011, 11:42:33 PM
Anyone have fixtures for this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 14, 2011, 01:02:11 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 13, 2011, 11:42:33 PM
Anyone have fixtures for this weekend?

ACFL Division 1 2011

16/06/2011

Mayobridge  vs An Riocht  19:30 Brendan Rice Mayobridge Babhta Nine
17/06/2011

Clonduff  vs Burren  19:30 Gabriel Tummelty Clonduff Babhta Nine
Kilcoo  vs Ballyholland  19:30 Ciaran Brannigan Clonduff Kilcoo Babhta Nine
Saval  vs Bryansford  19:30 Con Reynolds Saval Babhta Nine
19/06/2011

Rostrevor  vs Longstone  14:30 Declan Moore Rostrevor Babhta Nine
ACFL Division 2 2011

14/06/2011

Ballymartin  vs Liatroim  19:30 Shane Lowey Ballymartin Babhta Eight
17/06/2011

Ballymartin  vs Shamrocks  19:30 Adrian Sharvan Ballymartin Babhta Nine
Castlewellan  vs Warrenpoint  19:30 Damien Laverty Castlewellan Babhta Nine
Downpatrick  vs Drumgath  19:30 Peter Brannigan Downpatrick Babhta Nine
Liatroim  vs Annaclone  19:30 Neill Cousins Liatroim Babhta Nine
Loughinisland  vs Clann na Banna  19:30 Eugene O Hare Loughinisland Babhta Nine
ACFL Division 3 2011

17/06/2011

Atticall  vs Darragh Cross  19:30 Barry Andrews Atticall Round 10
Carryduff  vs Mitchels  19:30 Peter McCartan Carryduff Round 10
Dundrum  vs Ardglass  19:30 Gerard Brannigan St Johns Dundrum Round 10
St John Bosco  vs Glasdrumman  19:30 Leo Smith St John Bosco Round 10
St Johns  vs Kilclief  19:30 Pascal Toner St Johns Round 10
Tullylish  vs Glenn  19:30 Alan Grant Tullylish Round 10
ACFL Division 4 2011

15/06/2011

Aghaderg  vs Drumaness  19:30 Eddie McGrath Aghaderg Round 11
17/06/2011

Bredagh  vs Teconnaught  19:30 Mark Davy Bredagh Round 11
Dromara  vs Bright  19:30 Martin Brady Dromara Round 11
Saul  vs St Michaels  19:30 Eamon Mulvenna Saul Round 11
20/06/2011

Aughlisnafin  vs Ballykinlar  19:30 Michael Curran Aughlisnafin Round 11
ACPRL Division 1 2011

19/06/2011

Bryansford  vs Rostrevor  19:30 Pascal Toner Bryansford 
Burren  vs Clonduff  19:30 Barry Andrews Burren 
Carryduff  vs Mayobridge  19:30 Philip Stacey Carryduff 
Kilcoo  vs An Riocht  19:30 Gerard Brennan Clonduff Kilcoo 
Loughinisland  vs Castlewellan  19:30 Martin Rawlinson Loughinisland 
ACPRL Division 2 2011

15/06/2011

Tullylish  vs Annaclone  19:30 Fearghal Laverty Tullylish 
19/06/2011

Annaclone  vs Longstone  14:00 Ned Morgan Annaclone 
Ballyholland  vs St Johns  14:00 Michael Devlin Ballyholland 
Clann na Banna  vs Downpatrick  14:00 Eddie McGrath Clann na Banna 
Liatroim  vs Bredagh  19:30 John Mc Mullan Liatroim 
20/06/2011

Saval  vs Tullylish  19:30 Declan Carolan Saval 
McAvoy Construction LLP - South Down Reserve League Section 1

19/06/2011

Burren  vs St John Bosco  18:30 Leo Smith Burren Round 7
Glenn  vs Aghaderg  18:30 John Francis Murray Glenn Round 7
Shamrocks  vs Mitchels  18:30 Gregory McGrath Shamrocks Round 7
McAvoy Construction LLP - South Down Reserve League Section 2

19/06/2011

An Riocht  vs Mayobridge  18:30 PJ Cunningham An Riocht Round 7
Ballymartin  vs Atticall  18:30 Alan Grant Ballymartin Round 7
Rostrevor  vs Glasdrumman  18:30 TBC Rostrevor Round 7
Warrenpoint  vs Clonduff  18:30 Barry Andrews Warrenpoint Round 7
Ballykelly Group - South Down U12 Div 1

19/06/2011

Burren  vs Ballyholland  11:00 Jackie Quinn Burren Round 6
Clonduff  vs Rostrevor  11:00 Leo Smith Clonduff Round 6
Mayobridge  vs Warrenpoint  11:00 Shane Lowey Mayobridge Round 6
Ballykelly Group - South Down U12 Div 2

19/06/2011

An Riocht  vs Clonduff B 11:00 Ryan McDowell An Riocht Round 6
Atticall  vs Glenn  11:00 Michael O Rourke Atticall Round 6
Clann na Banna  vs Burren B 11:00 Paul McGrath Clann na Banna Round 6
Ballykelly Group - South Down U12 Div 3

19/06/2011

Drumgath  vs Ballymartin  11:00 Conor Ryan Drumgath Round 5
Glasdrumman  vs St John Bosco  11:00 Gavin Finnegan Glasdrumman Round 5
Longstone  vs St Michaels  11:00 Anthony Rodger Longstone Round 5
Shamrocks B vs Annaclone  11:00 Fintan Carolan Shamrocks Round 5
St Colmans  vs Saval  11:00 Dominic Kearns Tullylish Round 5
Ballykelly Group - South Down U14 Div 1

14/06/2011

Shamrocks  vs Rostrevor  19:30 Declan Ryan Shamrocks Round 9
20/06/2011

Rostrevor  vs Mayobridge  19:30 TBC Rostrevor Round 10
Warrenpoint  vs Shamrocks  19:30 Ciaran Mooney Warrenpoint Round 10
21/06/2011

Clonduff  vs Burren  19:30 TBC Clonduff Round 10
Ballykelly Group - South Down U14 Div 2

16/06/2011

Glenn  vs Ballyholland  19:30 Ronan Barry Glenn Round 10
20/06/2011

Clann na Banna  vs An Riocht  19:30 Paul McGrath Clann na Banna Round 12
Glenn  vs Shamrocks B 19:30 Declan Carolan Glenn Round 12
St John Bosco  vs Saval  19:30 Declan Moore St John Bosco Round 12
Ballykelly Group - South Down U14 Div 3

16/06/2011

Mitchels  vs St Colmans  19:30 TBC Mitchels Round 10
20/06/2011

Clonduff B vs Annaclone  19:30 Roy McDowell Clonduff Round 12
Drumgath  vs Ballymartin  19:30 Leo Smith Drumgath Round 12
Mitchels  vs Atticall  19:30 Gerard Brennan Clonduff Mitchels Round 12
St Colmans  vs Longstone  19:30 Fearghal Laverty Tullylish Round 12
Ladies Football Senior League

19/06/2011

Annaclone  vs Bryansford  16:00 TBC Annaclone Round 10
Bredagh  vs Saval  16:00 TBC Bredagh Round 10
Clonduff  vs Castlewellan  16:00 TBC Clonduff Round 10
Downpatrick  vs Carryduff  16:00 TBC Downpatrick Round 10
Ladies Football Intermediate League

19/06/2011

Ballymartin  vs Kilcoo  16:00 TBC Ballymartin Round 10
Rostrevor  vs Mayobridge  16:00 TBC Rostrevor Round 10
Shamrocks  vs Loughinisland  16:00 TBC Shamrocks Round 10
Tullylish  vs Burren  16:00 TBC Tullylish Round 10
Ladies Football Junior League

19/06/2011

Aughlisnafin  vs Bredagh  16:00 TBC Aughlisnafin Round 10
Carryduff  vs St John Bosco  16:00 TBC Carryduff Round 10
Saul  vs St Michaels  16:00 TBC Saul Round 10
St Johns  vs Teconnaught  16:00 TBC St Johns Round 10
Ladies Football U14 Section A

16/06/2011

Bredagh  vs Carryduff  19:00 TBC Bredagh Round 2
19/06/2011

Bredagh  vs Castlewellan  12:30 TBC Bredagh Round 6
Bryansford  vs St John Bosco  12:30 TBC Bryansford Round 6
Kilcoo  vs Carryduff  12:30 TBC Kilcoo Round 6
Ladies Football U14 Section B

19/06/2011

Burren  vs Saval  12:30 TBC Burren Round 6
Loughinisland  vs Annaclone  12:30 TBC Loughinisland Round 6
Saul  vs Ballymartin  12:30 TBC Saul Round 6
Hurling U16 Division 1

19/06/2011

Liatroim  vs Ballygalget  11:30 TBC Liatroim 
Hurling U14 League Section 1

17/06/2011

Ballygalget  vs Portaferry  19:30 TBC Ballygalget Series 10
Liatroim  vs Bredagh  19:30 TBC Liatroim Series 10
Shamrocks  vs Ballycran  19:30 TBC Shamrocks Series 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 14, 2011, 01:25:46 PM
I believe the county management requested clubs moved their games from friday to thursday if county players were involved... Has any club actually acted on this request that anyone knows off??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 14, 2011, 04:27:37 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on June 14, 2011, 01:25:46 PM
I believe the county management requested clubs moved their games from friday to thursday if county players were involved... Has any club actually acted on this request that anyone knows off??

Rostrevor v Longstone is now changed from this Fri  to  Sunday week, both of them have a starred game on Friday week as well. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on June 14, 2011, 05:00:39 PM
Kilcoo v Ballyholland is now on Thursday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 14, 2011, 06:39:23 PM
Quote from: razor on June 14, 2011, 05:00:39 PM
Kilcoo v Ballyholland is now on Thursday night.

Its now moved back to Friday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 15, 2011, 01:13:15 PM
Bridge v Kingdom is on Thursday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 15, 2011, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: amallon on June 15, 2011, 01:13:15 PM
Bridge v Kingdom is on Thursday night.

Lots of clubs dont want their home games to be played on Thurs as gate monies is well down compare to Friday nights games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on June 15, 2011, 04:11:38 PM
Not very helpful when you are putting fixtures into the paper and then they are changed and no one lets you know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 16, 2011, 05:19:14 PM
Would all off you heading to Ennis please bring your Boots, as the increasing injury list of players may necessitate some off you being called upon to step into the breach.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 16, 2011, 05:24:39 PM
Kilcoo are the stand out team in the county and the team to beat, they were very impressive against us and hammered Burren. MDG is there any Magpies you feel should be brought into the county panel, there is a few good defenders on your side!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 16, 2011, 06:24:20 PM
Bridge at home to An Riocht this evening.
In this year league, Bridge scoring average is 12 points per game as An Riocht has 13.3 points per game.

Bridge were scoring 19.1 points per game in 2002.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 16, 2011, 09:24:39 PM
Div one
Mayobridge 1.11 An Riocht 1.10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on June 16, 2011, 11:16:42 PM
Quote from: umpire on June 16, 2011, 09:24:39 PM
Div one
Mayobridge 1.11 An Riocht 1.10
All of county men playing for two teams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on June 16, 2011, 11:55:57 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 16, 2011, 05:24:39 PM
Kilcoo are the stand out team in the county and the team to beat, they were very impressive against us and hammered Burren. MDG is there any Magpies you feel should be brought into the county panel, there is a few good defenders on your side!!!
Old soft chat  :) no trophies handed out in June!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 17, 2011, 10:14:33 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on June 16, 2011, 11:16:42 PM
Quote from: umpire on June 16, 2011, 09:24:39 PM
Div one
Mayobridge 1.11 An Riocht 1.10
All of county men playing for two teams?
All present for Kingdom, Benny came on at half time and went to mid field on Marty C.  Conor Garvey still missing for the Bridge.  Good entertaining game with some high quality scores from both sides.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on June 17, 2011, 11:57:01 AM
Was a great game for a neutral perspective, neither team deserved to lose, think a draw woulda been a fair result, but thats football. Coulter came on an showed why hes an allstar, doin just enough when needed. Thought Marty Clarke had a great game at midfield, could that not be an option for the county, seen a lot of ball and with his passing ability was very effective!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 17, 2011, 12:37:29 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 16, 2011, 05:24:39 PM
Kilcoo are the stand out team in the county and the team to beat, they were very impressive against us and hammered Burren. MDG is there any Magpies you feel should be brought into the county panel, there is a few good defenders on your side!!!

There are a few of our lads who wouldnt look out of place on the county team. Individually we have some very Competent  footballers but in my honest opinion its our lads collective teamwork and support play that is standing to us at present. I have to say in the past few games we where close to our strongest team which has helped while other clubs have been crippled with injuries and county men unavailable, although Burren had quite a few of these available last Friday.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: robbiegael on June 17, 2011, 07:15:25 PM
Anyone know the result of the Carryduff vs Mitchells game played last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: robbiegael on June 17, 2011, 07:32:07 PM
Woops, my mistake - Carryduff vs Mitchells is tonight :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 17, 2011, 09:16:04 PM
Division 1

Kilcoo 2-11 Ballyholland 1-4
A mediocre display from us tonight against a Defensively set up Ballyholland side.

Bryansford got their season back on track also with a 3 point victory in Saval while Burren bounced back with a ten point win against Clonduff.

Clonduff  0 - 6 vs Burren 2-10
Saval  1 - 14 vs Bryansford 3-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 17, 2011, 09:39:10 PM
Division 3
Dundrum 1-09  Ardglass 1-12

Ardglass get their first win of 2011.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 17, 2011, 10:12:19 PM
We did and next 2 games are home to St Johns and Mitchels so hopefully the Dundrum win will start a bit of a roll for us. We are off the bottom of the table as well only on score  difference though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 17, 2011, 11:16:54 PM
someone post the results please, cant get the Down site
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on June 17, 2011, 11:50:32 PM

ACFL Division 1
Mayobridge 1-11 An Riocht 1-10, Kilcoo 2-11 Ballyholland 1-4, Clonduff 0-6 Burren 2-11, Saval 1-14 Bryansford 3-11
ACFL Division 2
Ballymartin 0-9 Shamrocks 0-10, Downpatrick 2-15 Drumgath 1-4, Loughinisland 0-13 Clann na Banna 0-5, Castlewellan 0-15 Warrenpoint 1-1, Liatroim 3-13 Annaclone 1-8,  Ballymartin 2-6 Liatroim 1-14
ACFL Division 3
Carryduff 1-14 Mitchels 0-5, Atticall 1-7 Daragh Cross 0-14, St John Bosco 0-8 Glasdrumman 1-7, Dundrum 1-9 Ardglass 1-11, Tullylish 1-17 Glenn 2-9, St Johns 1-7 Kilclief 1-13
ACFL Division 4
Dromara 1-7 Bright 1-7, Bredagh 1-11 Teconnaught 0-6, Saul 0-21 St Michael's 0-8, Aghaderg 0-3 Drumaness 2-21
ACPRL Division 2
Tullylish 0-12 Annaclone 3-18

HURLING
ACHL Division 1
Ballygalget 2-10 Ballycran 1-15, Liatroim 3-8 Balella 3-12, Kilclief 5-10 Portaferry 7-14, Shamrocks 4-10 Warrenpoint 2-11
ACHL Division 2
Castlewellan 1-16 Clonduff 1-17, Bredagh 0-11 Ballyvarley 0-16, Portaferry 1-24 Carryduff 2-11, Ballygalget 3-16 Ballycran 1-4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 18, 2011, 12:06:24 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on June 17, 2011, 11:50:32 PM

ACFL Division 1
Mayobridge 1-11 An Riocht 1-10, Kilcoo 2-11 Ballyholland 1-4, Clonduff 0-6 Burren 2-11, Saval 1-14 Bryansford 3-11
ACFL Division 2
Ballymartin 0-9 Shamrocks 0-10, Downpatrick 2-15 Drumgath 1-4, Loughinisland 0-13 Clann na Banna 0-5, Castlewellan 0-15 Warrenpoint 1-1, Liatroim 3-13 Annaclone 1-8,  Ballymartin 2-6 Liatroim 1-14
ACFL Division 3
Carryduff 1-14 Mitchels 0-5, Atticall 1-7 Daragh Cross 0-14, St John Bosco 0-8 Glasdrumman 1-7, Dundrum 1-9 Ardglass 1-11, Tullylish 1-17 Glenn 2-9, St Johns 1-7 Kilclief 1-13
ACFL Division 4
Dromara 1-7 Bright 1-7, Bredagh 1-11 Teconnaught 0-6, Saul 0-21 St Michael's 0-8, Aghaderg 0-3 Drumaness 2-21
ACPRL Division 2
Tullylish 0-12 Annaclone 3-18

HURLING
ACHL Division 1
Ballygalget 2-10 Ballycran 1-15, Liatroim 3-8 Balella 3-12, Kilclief 5-10 Portaferry 7-14, Shamrocks 4-10 Warrenpoint 2-11
ACHL Division 2
Castlewellan 1-16 Clonduff 1-17, Bredagh 0-11 Ballyvarley 0-16, Portaferry 1-24 Carryduff 2-11, Ballygalget 3-16 Ballycran 1-4

cheers, I see Ballymartin must have a massive squad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 18, 2011, 04:00:04 PM
I know this is for Down club news but i would just like to congradulate both the boys and girls of Ballyholland primary school foe winning their respective county finals today in castlewellan . This is a great achievement in this the schools 90 th birthday . Congradulations to all involved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 18, 2011, 06:07:43 PM
With the growing injury list for the county side has anyone any idea what team James will pick for Saturday in Ennis.
McVeigh
D McCartan  D Gordon  G McCartan
D Rooney K McKernan B McArdle
King and Fitzpatrick
D Hughes M Poland M.Clarke
P McCommiskey R Murtagh B.Coulter

With John Clarke of the panel, Garvey, Rodgers,  Maginn and Rafferty injured among others, will that be close to the team for next week? Were any of the players listed above injured on Friday? Personally Id like to see Murphy included but I read somewhere he is carrying a knock too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 18, 2011, 06:25:38 PM
Gerald Mc Cartan is supposed to be on crutches . Murphy is carrying a knock on the leg i think .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 18, 2011, 06:38:58 PM
I believe mcardle pulled hamstring, murphy played full game for club friday night, murtagh is out. Liam. Doyle will start and play as sweeper
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on June 18, 2011, 07:16:55 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 17, 2011, 11:16:54 PM
someone post the results please, cant get the Down site
This has to be the worst website of any county, cluttered, rarely functioning correctly, always out of date, hard to read most of the time, slower than McNulty's granny - has anyone any idea of what is going on here or do we continue to get the news form the discussion boards?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 18, 2011, 08:15:00 PM
Id be surprised if Doyle starts but maybe u have more info than i do. 

If Murphy is fit he deserves to start especially if Garvey, G McCartan and McArdle are all out.

If Murtagh and McGinn are out we are in a bit of trouble up front, McCumisky may have to go to the half forward line and Lavery into the corner.

Even with upwards on 10 players are missing we should still be too good for an average division 4 team.  It will be the next round that could be different if we dont get some players back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 18, 2011, 09:06:36 PM
doyle played in a recent challenge match against kildare and with g mc cartan, garvey, rafferty and mc ardle looking like theyll miss this match i think he'll start. as for the rest of the team itll probably be along expected lines but i wouldnt be surprised to see mooney get a game at some stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 18, 2011, 10:34:37 PM
Think Gerard McCartan is definitely out. We should have adequate cover to beat Clare if we are going to be any sort of force this year. Hopefully those pushing for places over the last while can prove their worth when enevitably called upon on Sat!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 18, 2011, 11:11:08 PM
You are right super sub you would like to think we should have enough cover to beat Clare . All the subs should be pushing hard for places especially when they see how quickly we are picking up injuries . Heard that Doyle played well against Kildare as did Mooney and i wouldnt be surprised to see them get a run . The open space between our defence and our attack would suit Mooney who has pace to burn and who also is very direct something i think we are lacking alot of the time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on June 18, 2011, 11:40:24 PM
Heard that Kevin McKernan took a heavy knock last night. Any word?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 19, 2011, 04:36:53 PM
When u look at mal mackin, BJP and tony kernan today our defence must be woeful.

Derry destroyed Armagh at midfield and we couldnt win a ball against them.

Mckeever, Donaghy and Mallon get destroyed by one man and none of our 6 could do it.

That wasnt just depressing to watch for armagh supporters!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 19, 2011, 04:54:54 PM
Too much made of the Armagh game IMO. It was clear their whole team played a level above themselves which would be lucky to happen twice in a season never mind twice in a row. Without doubt down are a better outfit than armagh and i can see them going further than both Derry and Armagh this season in the bigger picture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Overthebar! on June 19, 2011, 05:07:05 PM
catch yourself on supersub. Down had a lucky run last year and armagh put them back in their place a few weeks back. £20 says Derry will go further than Down this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 19, 2011, 06:11:51 PM
Well thats a handy £20 for you. Derry have already got further than Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 19, 2011, 07:51:00 PM
Are you dizzy up there on that high horse otb?!  :D

Ps EL my initial comment suggested the progress in terms of the all ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 20, 2011, 10:14:55 AM
Everything went right for Armagh that night against Down and gave them a false illusion that they were better than they really were wheras nothing went right for us . If Donaghy had of got his yellow card as early as he did yesterday he would of had to be moved of Benny who gave him a horrid time . They all got cards yesterday which they didnt get against Down which i think would of helped our boys . Donaghy couldnt afford to do his push on Benny for the goal chance if he was on a yellow . Everyone one of them played well that night were we relly that bad or were they that good .Dont think we are that far away
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 20, 2011, 04:42:41 PM
Lads anyone know how much it is in to Ennis on Saturday? id say there will be a very poor crowd at it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 20, 2011, 05:24:59 PM
10 yos yos into the terrace and 12 into the seats afaik.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: naomhmiceal on June 20, 2011, 05:53:24 PM
Benny fit would have destroyed donaghy or Mckeever, mckeever got completely roasted yesterday and it was great to see! I think that Derry team would have beat Down theyre physically very big and powerful dont know if Down would have coped with that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 20, 2011, 08:43:59 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on June 20, 2011, 10:14:55 AM
Everything went right for Armagh that night against Down and gave them a false illusion that they were better than they really were wheras nothing went right for us . If Donaghy had of got his yellow card as early as he did yesterday he would of had to be moved of Benny who gave him a horrid time . They all got cards yesterday which they didnt get against Down which i think would of helped our boys . Donaghy couldnt afford to do his push on Benny for the goal chance if he was on a yellow . Everyone one of them played well that night were we relly that bad or were they that good .Dont think we are that far away

Couldnt agree with this.  Donaghy was destroyed yesterday, didnt think he was destroyed against Benny.  Fair enough Benny wasnt near fit but on the night i felt Donaghy got the better of firstly John Clarke and then Benny.  On another day when benny is 100% it may be a different story but on the night it wasnt the case imo.

If Down were to meet Armagh again in the qualifers, it will still be a 50/50 game.  Dont think Down are as good or Armagh as bad as many on here think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on June 21, 2011, 03:17:44 PM
MARTIN Clarke may not necessarily return to Aussie Rules next year, despite travelling Down Under in recent weeks on a mid-season trip which immediately sparked speculation that he was set to rejoin AFL side Collingwood.

The Melbourne club have since played down the rumours, saying Clarke was just returning for a short visit to sort out some financial matters locally before the end of the Australian financial year.

The An Riocht star, who played such a key role in helping Down to the All-Ireland final last year where they eventually lost to Cork, has not revealed his long-term plans yet.

But it is now believed that his return to Aussie Rules football is far from a fait accompli, which would be good news for county football fans and for the Down County Board, for whom he works as a coach.

Clarke did spend a week in Australia in the wake of the Mournes' surprise Ulster quarter-final defeat to Armagh but he has since returned to county training and lined out for his club in a championship game last week.

County team-mate Benny Coulter was an injury doubt for this weekend's qualifier trip to Ennis to take on Clare but, coincidentally, proved his fitness in the same game when Mayobridge introduced him to midfield at half-time, specifically to do a marking job on Clarke.

Down manager James McCartan has added Gerard McCartan, who started at wing-back against Armagh, to an injury list that already includes Damien Rafferty and Conor Garvey.

And Ambrose Rodgers' long-awaited return from a cruciate injury, which had to be postponed when he picked up a bug before Down's last game, is also still on hold, though he is expected to test his fitness by lining out for club Longstone on Friday night.

One interesting addition to McCartan's squad since the Armagh debacle is county minor Caolan Mooney, who has already been recruited by Collingwood and is heading to Australia soon on a rookie contract.

McCartan caused a surprise by calling him up for the county seniors and he is expected to make his senior debut off the bench next Saturday.

- Cliona Foley

Irish Independent

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 22, 2011, 08:54:35 AM
Benny? Specifically doing a marking job??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on June 23, 2011, 11:25:48 AM
Any word of the team for the Clare game???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 23, 2011, 12:23:28 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on June 23, 2011, 11:25:48 AM
Any word of the team for the Clare game???

Any word on if we even have enough players fit enough to make up a team???? ;D

Seriously, I would be surprised if we see an official teamsheet before late tomorrow evening
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 23, 2011, 05:22:39 PM
From BBC news:

Danny Hughes has been ruled out of Down's All-Ireland Football qualifier against Clare after suffering an injury in training on Wednesday night.

The news will come as a blow to manager James McCartan who has injury doubts over a number of other key players.

Caolan Mooney has been included in the Mournemen's squad of 26 for the match.

Mooney is still a Down minor but his performances in training and challenge games have obviously impressed the Down management team.

Benny Coulter and Conor Maginn are both hoping to have overcome hamstring injuries in time to be fit for the game.

The Mourne boss has already ruled out Damien Rafferty, Conor Garvey, Gerard McCartan and Darren O'Hagan.

Long-term casualty Ambrose Rogers is making good progress from a knee injury but is unlikely to face Clare in Ennis.

James Colgan (dead leg) and Paul Murphy (quad) have also missed several training sessions since the county's Ulster Championship defeat to Armagh on 28 May.

The Down manager has also suffered the setback of John Clarke announcing his retirement from inter-county football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on June 23, 2011, 08:55:45 PM
No maginn, murtagh, hughes,  mooney + doyle will start in forwards, marty to start midfield! Interesting stuff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 23, 2011, 08:56:41 PM
ACFL Division 2

Loughinisland 0-4 Liatriom 1-15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 23, 2011, 09:10:32 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on June 23, 2011, 08:55:45 PM
No maginn, murtagh, hughes,  mooney + doyle will start in forwards, marty to start midfield! Interesting stuff

Any official Line up Goldenyears?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 23, 2011, 09:51:36 PM
It will be fascinating to see if Goldenyears has got it right, but Marty apparently did play at midfield for An Riocht in his last club game. He would bring extra mobility to the position, and free up either KK or Fitzpatrick as possible full forwards. If Doyle is anywhere near fit, it would be an ideal match for his comeback in either defence or attacK.

Mooney was released to play for Rostrevor minors in a league fixture on Tuesday night, which would suggest that he was not initially intended to start on Saturday. He was in and out of the game against Bredagh, but scored 2-7 of their total of 2-8 and had a penalty saved. It could be that the injury to Hughes has pushed him up the list, but it would still represent quite a gamble.

If John Clarke could be pursuaded back, even at such a late stage, he would be a certainty at no 14. As it stands, McCumiskey and Laverty will probably be in the full forward line with a possible half forward line of Poland, Doyler and Benny.

The defence is hard to call due to the injuries, but bringing in either Murphy or Colgan or both would make sense.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 23, 2011, 10:00:21 PM
Given the injuries that is in the forward line at the minute i would find it very strange if we were to further weaken it by taken marty out to midfield considering fitzpatrick, king, colgen and murphy are all options. 

If Doyle is to start Id be happier to see him in the forward line than the defence due to issues regarding his pace.

Considering the injuries I would go for the following

McVeigh
D McCartan
Gordon
Brannigan
McKernan
Colgen
Rooney
King
Murphy
McGinn ( If fit )
Poland
McCumisky
Lavery
Coulter ( If fit )
Clarke

Dont no if there are any options left for corner back other than brannigan??  Cant see him starting murphy either but it would be a good game to bring him in.

Small half forward line but not much choice unless he brings Doyle or Mooney into it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 24, 2011, 12:07:21 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on June 23, 2011, 10:00:21 PM
Given the injuries that is in the forward line at the minute i would find it very strange if we were to further weaken it by taken marty out to midfield considering fitzpatrick, king, colgen and murphy are all options. 

If Doyle is to start Id be happier to see him in the forward line than the defence due to issues regarding his pace.

Considering the injuries I would go for the following

McVeigh
D McCartan
Gordon
Brannigan
McKernan
Colgen
Rooney
King
Murphy
McGinn ( If fit )
Poland
McCumisky
Lavery
Coulter ( If fit )
Clarke

Dont no if there are any options left for corner back other than brannigan??  Cant see him starting murphy either but it would be a good game to bring him in.

Small half forward line but not much choice unless he brings Doyle or Mooney into it

Bringing a 17 year old into the half forward line would hardly make any difference to size, even for his age he s not regarded as being "Big"

Personally I think Kallum King has got off light recently for his performances, its quite evident he is not fit and not playing well either. If Goldenyears is right and Marty plays in MF, I would be happy with that. CLare is the game to try these things as it should be a comfortable 10-12 point victory.

Colgan is an option in there too, not sure about Anton Mc Ardle, dont think the lad is ready for Senior football but then again is Mooney?? Who knows.. In James we trust.. Lets hope this kick starts our run this summer!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 24, 2011, 12:13:24 AM
Wouldnt be surprised to see Mooney and Doyle in haf forward line would leave Clarke in there as options are limited enough as it is . James hasnt announced a team on a Thursday night this long time was talking to two players earlier and nothing said to them .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on June 24, 2011, 01:10:15 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on June 24, 2011, 12:13:24 AM
Wouldnt be surprised to see Mooney and Doyle in haf forward line would leave Clarke in there as options are limited enough as it is . James hasnt announced a team on a Thursday night this long time was talking to two players earlier and nothing said to them .

Worth repeating the question even if the audience is deaf .....
Last of the apples and oranges.

    Re: Clare vs Down Sat June 25th, Ennis
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2011, 03:45:05 PM »     

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Quote from: whitegoodman on June 21, 2011, 09:03:57 AM

Coulter - Hamstring
McGinn - Hamstring
McArdle - Hamstring
Mckernan - Hamstring



Is there something wrong wth our training?
Bearing in mind our fade-out in the last quarter in so many games  - way back to last year - the question has to be asked
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on June 24, 2011, 07:36:22 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 24, 2011, 01:10:15 AM
Is there something wrong with our training?

We're hamstrung with injuries!


Were they all incurred during training (or even on county duty)?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 24, 2011, 08:50:31 AM
I'd be very surprised to see any dramatic changes. The one thing we have seen about James is that he is very conservative with team selection. He will most likely pick exactly the team that we know to be our best 15 and the only change will be those that he is forced to make. Also it is more than likely Benny and McGinn will be just about able to start. To that effect I would expect the team to be:

McVeigh
D McCartan
Gordon
Brannigan
McKernan
Doyle
Rooney
King
Fitzpatrick
McGinn
Poland
McCumisky
Lavery
Coulter
Clarke

So Lavery comes in for John Clarke (as Murtagh is injured) and McComiskey drops to half forward due to the loss of Hughes. Doyle comes in at CHB to allow McKernan to cover for Garvey at RHB. Finally Brannigan starts in the corner because Rafferty and McCardle are injured but if McCardle is fit then he would start. All the reports I have read about the injuries have not mentioned McCardle so perhaps he is fitter than we think. Are there any lads from his club on here that know better?

Of course we will all find out the truth about the injuries tonight around 11pm when James finally releases the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 24, 2011, 08:57:51 AM
Ye would wonder about how Mooney was in and out of the game when he gets 2.7 out of a total 2.8? :D
I think someone said he was in and out of the Hogan final, but still got 2.2! I wouldnt mind him being in and out of the game if he hit that against Clare!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 24, 2011, 09:00:26 AM
Quote from: Leo on June 24, 2011, 01:10:15 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on June 24, 2011, 12:13:24 AM
Wouldnt be surprised to see Mooney and Doyle in haf forward line would leave Clarke in there as options are limited enough as it is . James hasnt announced a team on a Thursday night this long time was talking to two players earlier and nothing said to them .

Worth repeating the question even if the audience is deaf .....
Last of the apples and oranges.

    Re: Clare vs Down Sat June 25th, Ennis
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2011, 03:45:05 PM »     

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Quote from: whitegoodman on June 21, 2011, 09:03:57 AM

Coulter - Hamstring
McGinn - Hamstring
McArdle - Hamstring
Mckernan - Hamstring



Is there something wrong wth our training?
Bearing in mind our fade-out in the last quarter in so many games  - way back to last year - the question has to be asked

I would be of the opinion that it is more to do with the training facilities than the methods used.

As NP said on the main board there has been alot of complaints in the states about these artifical pitches for want of a better word.  They are of the view that they are causing alot of short and long term injuries and are starting to do away with them both in their stadia and training facilities.

Maybe its a coincidence but if the yanks think its time to get rid then maybe we should start listening!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 24, 2011, 04:45:35 PM
Eaglelord, Mooney is a very different player to the likes of Marty Clarke and Danny Hughes who are always looking for the ball. He switches position, heads out to the wing and does not get involved for long periods. Then he gets the right ball into space and it is very hard to stop him. He is well built for a teenager, has an outstanding turn of pace and is a natural finisher. Whether he is ready for county level remains to be seen. but there is probably only one way to find out.

The team for Clare had a few surprises, and the omission of wee Dan was probably the biggest. He struggled for most of the game against Armagh, but, as a few people have pointed out, he does not give away as many frees as Brannigan and McArdle. While Duffin will not let anyone down, Murphy or Colgan - if fit - have more to offer.

There must be very little chance of Hughes being involved, so a re-jig which might see Marty to midfield, KK or Fitzpatrick up front,  and Benny and Doyler along Poland in the half forward line is one option.

It all looks a bit uncertain, and the only bright spot is that, if we get out of Ennis, there will be a two-week gap to get a few from the injured list back on their feet again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack4ever on June 24, 2011, 06:06:51 PM




Is there something wrong wth our training?
Bearing in mind our fade-out in the last quarter in so many games  - way back to last year - the question has to be asked
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I would be of the opinion that it is more to do with the training facilities than the methods used.

As NP said on the main board there has been alot of complaints in the states about these artifical pitches for want of a better word.  They are of the view that they are causing alot of short and long term injuries and are starting to do away with them both in their stadia and training facilities.

Maybe its a coincidence but if the yanks think its time to get rid then maybe we should start listening!!
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Yes, here in the US the artificial turf stadia and training facilities are all being phased out. In fact, off the top of my head  I can't think of one stadium in either the NFL or MLB that still uses it. The main reason it's gone is because of knee and leg injuries to players.

Years ago before Gaelic Park in Chicago was built, the GAA games were played in  Hansen Stadium and it was Astroturf. Almost all of the players complained about the surface. Their biggest complaint was "it was playing on concrete". So if the Down seniors trained on this surface I'm not surprised at the injuries.

Us Yanks aren't always right about somethings, but I think this is one time, where we got it correctly.

I think Down will beat Clare tomorrow morning (our time), but I don't think they'll run away with the game. If they don't, it's going to be an awfully long summer for the many Down supporters here in Chicago.

Mrs. redandblack4ever
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 24, 2011, 09:04:08 PM
According Down website Dan McCartan is injured as well.  Danny Hughes supposed to be def out, likely to be a number of changes to that team named.

Kingdom bt Clonduff by 4, yellas struggling badly!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 24, 2011, 09:14:50 PM
ACFL Division 1

Kilcoo 0-10 Longstone 0-4

Played in awful conditions with driving wind and rain, Kilcoo played some outstanding football to win easier than the scoreline reflects. Seven of our starting team where 20 or under, for young fellas to play so well on a night like that was a credit to them.
The older lads didnt do too badly either. Great win and another 2 points without the services of many of our main men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 24, 2011, 09:31:22 PM
Burren  2 - 6 vs 0 - 7 Mayobridge
Clonduff  1 - 7 vs 1 - 11 An Riocht 
Kilcoo  0 - 10 vs 0 - 4 Longstone 
Rostrevor  0 - 9 vs 2 - 4 Saval 

Awful night for football everywhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on June 24, 2011, 09:32:03 PM
Ambrose got 25 mins tonight, he had a few touches but it was difficult to gauge a performance in that weather.
Title: Div 3
Post by: No1 on June 24, 2011, 09:39:52 PM
Kilclief beat Tullylish by 9 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on June 24, 2011, 09:57:56 PM
Annclone beat drumgath by 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 24, 2011, 10:04:03 PM
Lets just say Glenn won against Dundrum  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 24, 2011, 10:07:12 PM
Ardglass beat St Johns tonight by 4, our next game is at home to mitchels hopefully it will be our 3rd win in a row. Good win for Kilclief, Dundrum seem to be in trouble that was a heavy loss tonight away to Glenn. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 24, 2011, 10:57:37 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 24, 2011, 10:04:03 PM
Lets just say Glenn won against Dundrum  :-\

And half a Glenn team at that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 24, 2011, 11:22:59 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on June 24, 2011, 09:04:08 PM
According Down website Dan McCartan is injured as well.  Danny Hughes supposed to be def out, likely to be a number of changes to that team named.

Kingdom bt Clonduff by 4, yellas struggling badly!!!!

Is Jody Gormley training clonduff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on June 24, 2011, 11:44:12 PM
What has happened Dundrum - div 2 couple seasons ago?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 25, 2011, 12:22:54 PM
A great result over the noisy neighbours last night. We only had half a team out and still won.. I have a sore head after all the pints last night. They were sweet... Now to get on a good run for the championship.. The Bridge are done.. Have said it for ages now ......

Are Kilcoo that good.. can they keep this  run going into the championship!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 25, 2011, 12:41:02 PM
You never fail to disappoint DownJim!  :D

Mooney is starting today, probably in place of Hughes, hopefully he gives a good display.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 25, 2011, 01:01:26 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on June 24, 2011, 11:22:59 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on June 24, 2011, 09:04:08 PM
According Down website Dan McCartan is injured as well.  Danny Hughes supposed to be def out, likely to be a number of changes to that team named.

Kingdom bt Clonduff by 4, yellas struggling badly!!!!

Is Jody Gormley training clonduff?

Not that i am aware of, Paul Lamb is manager and fella whose name escapes me from shamrocks training them.  He teaches in the abbey so maybe he had Gormley up for a couple of sessions saying as he works with him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 25, 2011, 01:05:17 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 25, 2011, 12:22:54 PM
A great result over the noisy neighbours last night. We only had half a team out and still won.. I have a sore head after all the pints last night. They were sweet... Now to get on a good run for the championship.. The Bridge are done.. Have said it for ages now ......

Are Kilcoo that good.. can they keep this  run going into the championship!!!!!!!!

U r one edjit Clownjim.  I was told that both teams had at least 10 missing each so ur writing off of the bridge is a bit rediculous. 

Bit disappointing in fords performances lately after the start they had.  Kilcoos championship to lose at this stage ?!?

Anybody got a radio link for the match today? Is 5fm covering it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 25, 2011, 01:10:45 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on June 25, 2011, 01:01:26 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on June 24, 2011, 11:22:59 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on June 24, 2011, 09:04:08 PM
According Down website Dan McCartan is injured as well.  Danny Hughes supposed to be def out, likely to be a number of changes to that team named.

Kingdom bt Clonduff by 4, yellas struggling badly!!!!

Is Jody Gormley training clonduff?

Not that i am aware of, Paul Lamb is manager and fella whose name escapes me from shamrocks training them.  He teaches in the abbey so maybe he had Gormley up for a couple of sessions saying as he works with him.

Sean Gallagher!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 25, 2011, 01:33:32 PM
Thats the one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on June 25, 2011, 03:04:22 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on June 25, 2011, 01:05:17 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 25, 2011, 12:22:54 PM
A great result over the noisy neighbours last night. We only had half a team out and still won.. I have a sore head after all the pints last night. They were sweet... Now to get on a good run for the championship.. The Bridge are done.. Have said it for ages now ......

Are Kilcoo that good.. can they keep this  run going into the championship!!!!!!!!

U r one edjit Clownjim.  I was told that both teams had at least 10 missing each so ur writing off of the bridge is a bit rediculous. 

Bit disappointing in fords performances lately after the start they had.  Kilcoos championship to lose at this stage ?!?

Anybody got a radio link for the match today? Is 5fm covering it?

If ye manage to get one pass it on,

Cheers,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 25, 2011, 03:05:38 PM
Try clare fm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 25, 2011, 03:10:08 PM
RTE Radio 1 and radio 1 going to it now and again, 1 2 til no score last i heard, lavery with 1 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on June 25, 2011, 03:11:22 PM
'tis live on Clare FM, cheers Ardtole
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 25, 2011, 03:46:41 PM
down 1-6 clare 1-5 ht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on June 25, 2011, 03:59:05 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/9173544.stm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 25, 2011, 04:07:14 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 24, 2011, 10:07:12 PM
Ardglass beat St Johns tonight by 4, our next game is at home to mitchels hopefully it will be our 3rd win in a row. Good win for Kilclief, Dundrum seem to be in trouble that was a heavy loss tonight away to Glenn.

Division 3 is now at the halfway point. Kilclief, Tullylish and Carryduff are the three best teams in the Division with Kilclief probably the pick of the three. Id expect them three to be in the top 3 positions at the end of the season. However, not one of the three would be able to sustain themselves in Division 2 next year.

Glasdrumman, Glenn, Darragh Cross and Bosco are hovering about. All four aren't going to threaten the top 3 but will end up in the upper mid table/mid table area.

Dundrum, Ardglass, Atticall, St Johns and Mitchels are now basically in a mini league at the bottom and essentially its going to come down to the results between these five teams as to who avoids the bottom three positions.
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Post by: ardtole on June 25, 2011, 04:20:54 PM
I think the standard in div 3 has fallen quite a bit in the last 3 years. I dont think tullylish carryduff or kilclief would be so far clear of the other teams 2 or 3 years ago. I think it is more a case of teams like ardglass, darragh cross, dundrum, glenn, atticall and glassdrumman losing players and standards slipping. On a more positive note ardglass have tried a lot of younger players this year and they are starting to adapt to senior football as the weeks go by and I expect us to stay up and be much more competitive next season.
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Post by: BRIDGE LAD on June 25, 2011, 09:21:16 PM
Jeas that was a close call today! Only for Laverty it was curtains!! He scored well today also, brilliant workrate from him to stop the goal, he lost posession on the Clare 21 yd line, and tracked the whole way back. Down were lucky to get the win. I'd say Murph is disappointed with comin on and then being subbed again, thought they could have switched Dan out and put Murph back to full back, a bit harsh. Benny won the vital ball and put it in  at the end for final score. Him and laverty prob Downs best players when they got the ball. Doyle and Mooney also played well. Midfield area suffered again with winning no  kick outs or getting posession!  Danny Hughes a big miss for the breaks!
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Post by: dundrumite on June 25, 2011, 09:55:48 PM
I think with the reshuffling of the divisions division 3 is in a situation where the teams at top have got stronger and teams at bottom weaker. Essentially there is  two tiered division. Very very disappointing from my own club perspective at the minute, we have a top class manager in so I think it just boils down to us losing players, perhaps up to 6 in last two years which for a small club is massive. All you can do is keep plugging away.
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2011, 11:19:43 PM
Jesus we got out of jail in Ennis today with thanks to my clubmate Conor Laverty who was awsome. It was heart stopping stuff in the last twenty minutes where Clare fought back and where unlucky not to snatch it at the death, only for Lavertys last gasp goal line clearance.
Down started brilliantly taking a 5 point lead, but couldnt sustain our early dominance going in one up at the interval. A similar pattern emerged in the second half when we dominated the early exchanges, but with our midfield non existent again we where always going to find it hard to rack up a big scoreline.
Last season our management got it right most of the time but are getting it wrong too often this term to date. We are continually being outplayed at midfield and changes for the better need to be made. King gave his all last year but is seriously struggling at present and needs dropped, Colgan has to be included here, even though unbelievableably he was left off the 26 today. The possibility of moving our best midfielder Dan Gordan to this problem area now has to be seriously considered.
Brendan McVeigh was poor today, kick outs straight out the middle while he was very suspect under the high ball, causing the Clare goal and not claiming the hail mary at the last which nearly resulted in a winning goal for the banner men.
I thought we defended rightly for long periods today, Gordan was solid, Brannigan marked diligently while Rooney put in a good shift. Benny McArdle was quiet but scored a wonderful right footed point midway throught the second half much to the delight of the large travelling support.
Clarke worked hard in the first half, ploughing a lone furrow in a position he is not accustomed too, although tired as the game wore on.
Liam Doyle played well on his return to the Down team, with good covering and brilliant use of posession. Caolan Mooney gave an impressive debut scoring a wonderful point and working tirelessly while McComiskey had a brilliant second half finishing with 4 points. Benny done rightly even though he still seems to be struggling with injury while Poland performed well with the exception of his shooting which was not up to scratch.
Laverty was outstanding throughout and was on fire in the first half scoring 1-3 from play. A player often criticised unfairly, today he saved us from an embarrassing exit.
Lets hope for a home draw tomorrow and that we get our midfield changed for out next outing. The return of Murtagh, Hughes, Garvey, Rafferty, Gerard McCartan and Maginn would also be greatly welcomed, Just a pity Ambrose wasnt closer to full fitness as his loss is becoming incalcuable.
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Post by: redandblackareback on June 26, 2011, 09:58:06 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2011, 11:19:43 PM
Jesus we got out of jail in Ennis today with thanks to my clubmate Conor Laverty who was awsome. It was heart stopping stuff in the last twenty minutes where Clare fought back and where unlucky not to snatch it at the death, only for Lavertys last gasp goal line clearance.
Down started brilliantly taking a 5 point lead, but couldnt sustain our early dominance going in one up at the interval. A similar pattern emerged in the second half when we dominated the early exchanges, but with our midfield non existent again we where always going to find it hard to rack up a big scoreline.
Last season our management got it right most of the time but are getting it wrong too often this term to date. We are continually being outplayed at midfield and changes for the better need to be made. King gave his all last year but is seriously struggling at present and needs dropped, Colgan has to be included here, even though unbelievableably he was left off the 26 today. The possibility of moving our best midfielder Dan Gordan to this problem area now has to be seriously considered.
Brendan McVeigh was poor today, kick outs straight out the middle while he was very suspect under the high ball, causing the Clare goal and not claiming the hail mary at the last which nearly resulted in a winning goal for the banner men.
I thought we defended rightly for long periods today, Gordan was solid, Brannigan marked diligently while Rooney put in a good shift. Benny McArdle was quiet but scored a wonderful right footed point midway throught the second half much to the delight of the large travelling support.
Clarke worked hard in the first half, ploughing a lone furrow in a position he is not accustomed too, although tired as the game wore on.
Liam Doyle played well on his return to the Down team, with good covering and brilliant use of posession. Caolan Mooney gave an impressive debut scoring a wonderful point and working tirelessly while McComiskey had a brilliant second half finishing with 4 points. Benny done rightly even though he still seems to be struggling with injury while Poland performed well with the exception of his shooting which was not up to scratch.
Laverty was outstanding throughout and was on fire in the first half scoring 1-3 from play. A player often criticised unfairly, today he saved us from an embarrassing exit.
Lets hope for a home draw tomorrow and that we get our midfield changed for out next outing. The return of Murtagh, Hughes, Garvey, Rafferty, Gerard McCartan and Maginn would also be greatly welcomed, Just a pity Ambrose wasnt closer to full fitness as his loss is becoming incalcuable.

Delighted for Conor Laverty, another who comes in for some uncalled for abuse at games and on here!! Colgan was not in the panel because he s injured no??
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Post by: BRIDGE LAD on June 26, 2011, 12:18:13 PM
MDG, although Laverty was the hero yesterday and works like a trojan, if he just had a little more height and weight he'd be a cracker. But a right few times yest when he received the ball he wasn't fit to hold on to it! Not being critical of him but I do think he is a little light! Its a shame, cos he has great workrate and skill.   
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Post by: NP 76 on June 26, 2011, 01:20:19 PM
Thought doyle was outstanding yesterday in all that he did always seems to have plenty of time on the ball . Laverty also put in a great shift how he got to that one on the line i will never know . Forwards generally were good but didnt get enough of the ball in early enough . Defence was under severe pressure and i know there is alot of talk of taking Gordon out the field but i thought he was very good yesterday apart from the Clare goal where it looked like he dropped it . Thought Clarke quiet yesterday and seemed that he couldnt tackle at all let the man past far to easy . We will never be as lucky again fair play to Conor Laverty for tracking back like he did .
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Post by: whitegoodman on June 26, 2011, 02:07:17 PM
Good to hear Laverty having a good game and getting some credit for it.  He along with Murtagh and coulter are prob the 3 most dangerous forwards in the county.  Hope he gets a good run at it now.

I think if James hasnt taken gordon out to midfield at this stage then i dont think he is going to at any stage.  He must feel that Gordon is too important at the back to move out.  It looks like he is going to stick with it and due to the lack of alternatives I would tend to agree with him ( McArdle isnt a long term option imo ).

I wasnt at the game yesterday and dont doubt that mcveigh is a very good keeper but the lack of variation in kick outs last year and this needs to be worked at.  This is not all mcveighs fault as the management, half backs and half fowards should be takin responsibility to make the call or at least give the option.  From yesterdays team Rooney, Mooney and Doyle should all have been options for short kick outs or kick outs to the wings.  As Tyrone and Dublin have shown the days long straight kick outs down the middle should be at an end!!
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Post by: SHEEDY on June 26, 2011, 03:04:10 PM
there has to be questions asked of downs training regime. game after game we seem to fade in the last 1/4. is this down to training and not being fit enough or is it a mental thing.
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Post by: guevara on June 26, 2011, 04:25:30 PM
For any of those on here banging on about Cluxton's ability at use of the short kick out tune in to Dublin v Kildare.
His Kickouts are being destroyed & he has been the source of several Kildare turnovers.
Brendy is a fantastic keeper, the best in the County by some distance. Yes everyone might have an off day but too many on this seem to be experts on every facet of the game.
Give me McVeigh over Cluxton any day as my opinion is the Dublin media & associated GAA Press have Cluxton hyped to some sort of legendary goalkeeper. Yet the Cluxton Ive watched seems to make mistakes on a more consistent basis than Brendy ever has.
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Post by: SHEEDY on June 26, 2011, 08:44:26 PM
good to get a home draw against another div4 team. we should beat leitrim handy enough especially at home. good chance to get abit of momentum going.
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Post by: ardtole on June 26, 2011, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 25, 2011, 09:55:48 PM
I think with the reshuffling of the divisions division 3 is in a situation where the teams at top have got stronger and teams at bottom weaker. Essentially there is  two tiered division. Very very disappointing from my own club perspective at the minute, we have a top class manager in so I think it just boils down to us losing players, perhaps up to 6 in last two years which for a small club is massive. All you can do is keep plugging away.
Losing six players in a couple of years is hard for a small club, Ardglass have the same problem, in the last 3 or 4 years we have lost about a dozen players and most of them key players, it has caught up with us this year in particular. But I can see a lot of positives for us this season, we have blooded a lot of young players and they are slowly but surely finding their feet at this level, I think we will do enough to stay up this year and hopefully improve our position next year.
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Post by: DownFanatic on June 26, 2011, 09:03:28 PM
A Chara

This Fridays games have now become a Starred Fixture for County Panalists, this fixture will replace next weeks fixture which was originally a four starred game. The games which were to be played on Fri 8th July in Div 1, 2, 3 will now be postponed until later in the season so as not to increase the number of agreed Starred Games for our clubs. Div 4 games will go ahead as planned.

is mise
Sean O Ruanaidh

This was emailed from Sean Rooney tonight. Am I right in saying that there are no games in Division 1, 2 and 3 this Friday and that the games scheduled for this Friday will take place on Friday the 8th of July?
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Post by: supersub on June 26, 2011, 09:15:57 PM
Hard to tell what 'replace' means in this scenario but I think you are correct!

Rostrevor 0-14 0-14 Longstone

Game was tight the whole way through with only one or two points in it the whole way. Mark Poland can count himself lucky to have stayed on the pitch as he aimed a number of punches at our wing back, and there was a lot of handbags going on for a period in the first half also. Rostrevor had a goal disallowed for a square ball near the end which was very dubious but these things happen! Poland and Mooney both played from the start and Ambrose came on midway through the second half. He didn't seem to get in to the game at all! Hopefully just rustiness.
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Post by: bridgegael on June 26, 2011, 09:51:26 PM
i think it means the games are going ahead this week but will be starred. fri 8th games were starred originally but will not be starred now and will be played later in the season.  i think.
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Post by: Dubh driocht on June 26, 2011, 11:13:42 PM
If Ambrose is only playing a quarter of a club game it doesn't look good- we have got a very fortunate draw and ,assuming a win,will probably need Wexford or the beaten Connaught finalists to make Croke Park.

Positives ;
Return of Liam Doyle
Spirit of Conor Lavery
We can only get better
Negatives ;
Midfield
Fitness fade-out
Bizarre substitutions policy ( year 2)

I still have full trust in James as he is smart and is Down football to the backbone. I think he needs to trust his own judgement and not listen so much to the Tyronemen.
The most important thing now is a happy camp with men busting to win for Down.We still have the individual players- what we need is the team spirit from last year.
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Post by: Pangurban on June 27, 2011, 12:04:25 AM
Agree wholeheartedly, have full confidence in Down, but very dubious about influence of Tyrone man in tactical decisions, he needs to be concentrating his efforts on improving fitness levels, leave the football to the Down Men
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Post by: EagleLord on June 27, 2011, 10:44:58 AM
Quote from: guevara on June 26, 2011, 04:25:30 PM
For any of those on here banging on about Cluxton's ability at use of the short kick out tune in to Dublin v Kildare.
His Kickouts are being destroyed & he has been the source of several Kildare turnovers.
Brendy is a fantastic keeper, the best in the County by some distance. Yes everyone might have an off day but too many on this seem to be experts on every facet of the game.
Give me McVeigh over Cluxton any day as my opinion is the Dublin media & associated GAA Press have Cluxton hyped to some sort of legendary goalkeeper. Yet the Cluxton Ive watched seems to make mistakes on a more consistent basis than Brendy ever has.

Finally someone else sees it. I have been saying this for years. He is in no way the keeper he is made out to be. He is very prone to clangers and mishaps David James style. Its just not highlighted as much as is would be because he really has saves to make because of the solid Dubs defence. In commentary he was called the best keeper in the country yesterday. I completely agree with you saying I would have McVeigh over him any day. Cluxton makes saves like a soccer goalkeeper. Dives unnecessarily, and yaps a good bit. Not taking anything away from Owen Mulligan's goal, because it was quality, but his matrix impression of a save was laughable.
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Post by: 5 Sams on June 27, 2011, 03:35:46 PM
9.07.2011 (Sat)

GAA Football All Ireland Senior Championship

Round 2

Newry 3.00pm An Dún v Liatroim

Referee: TBC

(E.T. if Necessary)

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Post by: downjim on June 28, 2011, 03:30:29 PM
Donal O'Hare and Ryan McGovern are playing very well at the minute and i think they would add something to the Down panel.. Other players that have impressed this season is Arthur McConville, Sean Parr and Brendan Rooney!!
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Post by: NP 76 on June 28, 2011, 05:50:42 PM
Donal O Hare from Burren is that who you mean if so he is very young and light . Mc Govern also very small but Arthur Mc Conville would give you another option at mid field but was he not there at the start of the year
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 28, 2011, 07:11:47 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 28, 2011, 03:30:29 PM
Donal O'Hare and Ryan McGovern are playing very well at the minute and i think they would add something to the Down panel.. Other players that have impressed this season is Arthur McConville, Sean Parr and Brendan Rooney!!

Sure include the whole Burren team!! OHare and Ryan McGovern are two fringe players in Burren and your suggesting they would be an addition at county level. Two of the above couldnt make this years under 21 team while the others apart from Parr wouldnt add to the squad imo.
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Post by: whitegoodman on June 28, 2011, 07:30:59 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 28, 2011, 03:30:29 PM
Donal O'Hare and Ryan McGovern are playing very well at the minute and i think they would add something to the Down panel.. Other players that have impressed this season is Arthur McConville, Sean Parr and Brendan Rooney!!

What exactly would they add?? Other than more Burren numbers.  Good young club players with potential, lets leave it at that.  Agree with MDG, Parr would be the only one of the above that may add something to the current Down panel.  The others whilst having potential have a bit to go yet.
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Post by: Square Ball on June 29, 2011, 08:23:06 AM
div 4 result
Bredagh  3-16 Bright 0-6
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Post by: Banana Man on June 29, 2011, 11:28:28 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 29, 2011, 08:23:06 AM
div 4 result
Bredagh  3-16 Bright 0-6

jeysus that is some hammering!
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Post by: amallon on June 30, 2011, 12:34:00 PM
Leitrm game isnt a ticket game. Its all pay at the gate.
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Post by: EagleLord on June 30, 2011, 04:32:50 PM
Should be a packed house then amallon.
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Post by: general on June 30, 2011, 08:47:01 PM
Glenn 2.17 glasdrumman 1.14
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Post by: redandblackareback on July 01, 2011, 03:12:57 PM
Glen seemed to be going very well, whos takin them this year?
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Post by: supersub on July 01, 2011, 03:51:10 PM
Kieran Mooney and Eamon Devlin, not sure If there are others involved in management or not.

Ford/Clonduff  game on 5fm tonight!?
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Post by: amallon on July 01, 2011, 09:08:51 PM
Haven't got full time scores but Clonduff hammered the Ford, Harp beat the Stone, Burren & Saval draw?, Kingdom beat Kilcoo by five points.  Bridge beat Rostrevor 2.10 to 0.9. 

What happened Kilcoo tonight?
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 01, 2011, 09:28:34 PM
Quote from: amallon on July 01, 2011, 09:08:51 PM
Haven't got full time scores but Clonduff hammered the Ford, Harp beat the Stone, Burren & Saval draw?, Kingdom beat Kilcoo by five points.  Bridge beat Rostrevor 2.10 to 0.9. 

What happened Kilcoo tonight?

We deservedly got beat by An Riocht where John Clarke, Paddy Cole and James Colgan where outstanding. Kilcoo where poor tonight, although we where minus 5 starting defenders and Laverty. We just had an off night on the field and on the sideline. Final score 1-14 to 0-13. The less said the better on tonights referee, terrible for both sides.
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Post by: NP 76 on July 01, 2011, 09:31:39 PM
Was Ballyholland and the Stone not a draw
Title: Div 3
Post by: No1 on July 01, 2011, 11:08:06 PM
Kilclief beat Darragh Cross by a point.  Kilclief were 12 points up at one stage and then found themselves a point down, very lucky to get the win!
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Post by: NP 76 on July 01, 2011, 11:20:01 PM
Ballyholland 0 -14 Longstone 1 -11 Ambrose played about 40 mins Murtagh came on as a sub in the second half . Ballyholland were 7 pts up at half time
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Post by: NedFlanders on July 02, 2011, 01:15:11 AM
MDG dont start all this craic that use were missing players ect...
use had 15 players on the field the same as An Riocht, if ya wanna be like that i could say we were missing 2 all starts but then again it didnt matter, better team on the night won in the end!
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Post by: supersub on July 02, 2011, 01:29:58 AM
Have you been on the sauce or something? He clearly said Kingdom deserved to win in the opening line of the post! Then gave credit to who played well for yous and then went on to discuss his own team. No credit taken away from kingdom and was quite humble in defeat!
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Post by: SHEEDY on July 02, 2011, 05:25:58 AM
b'ford 0-8 clonduff 3-18. surely the most surprising score of the night.
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Post by: Square Ball on July 02, 2011, 03:42:18 PM
bredagh beat drumaness by 2 in an excellant game of football in perfect conditions.
Title: Re: Div 3
Post by: When We Win on July 04, 2011, 09:20:54 AM
Quote from: No1 on July 01, 2011, 11:08:06 PM
Kilclief beat Darragh Cross by a point.  Kilclief were 12 points up at one stage and then found themselves a point down, very lucky to get the win!

No1. The first game i have been at this year and I have to say it was a cracking match. For Darragh to come from 13 points down to a point up was unbelievable. However i did think the ref was awful. There was a few unusual decisions went Kilcliefs way and what looked like a valid point disallowed. However i dont want to comment too much on him as i am sure he will even out the decisions throughout the season. That may be as close Kilclief come to getting beat in the league this year. A draw i think would have been a fair result and neither team would have complained too much.

A championship rematch would be some spectacle
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Post by: supersub on July 04, 2011, 11:40:56 AM
Any results from RFC or PRFC?
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Post by: whitegoodman on July 04, 2011, 01:24:43 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 02, 2011, 05:25:58 AM
b'ford 0-8 clonduff 3-18. surely the most surprising score of the night.

Surprise of the season imo.  Ford may have a few missing with county, injuries, holidays or whatever but so does every club.  That is a hell of a beating from a team that hasnt been going well at all.
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Post by: 5 Sams on July 04, 2011, 04:30:34 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 04, 2011, 11:40:56 AM
Any results from RFC or PRFC?


PRFC

Longstone  1-11 0-7 St Johns  Longstone 03/07/2011 14:00   
Rostrevor  0-18 0-8 Liatroim  Rostrevor 03/07/2011 14:00   
Burren  2-11 1-8 Bredagh  Burren 03/07/2011 14:00   
Ballyholland  0-10 1-14 Bryansford  Ballyholland 03/07/2011 14:00   
Loughinisland  1-11 1-7 Annaclone  Loughinisland 03/07/2011 14:00
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Post by: DownFanatic on July 04, 2011, 10:31:28 PM
Ardtole/No.1, any word on how the ASK Lecale experiment is going?
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Post by: ardtole on July 04, 2011, 10:57:45 PM
I haven't heard much about it, to be honest. Id say the longstone game will be sometime towards the end of this month, Id assume it has to be played the week before the 1st round proper.
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Post by: ardtole on July 04, 2011, 11:00:20 PM
Longstone's results seem to have picked up recently, they had good results against mayobridge, burren and bryansford.
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Post by: CHB1 on July 05, 2011, 09:57:58 AM
Just read in the Democrat that Down played Roscommon in a friendly last week and D Rafferty, Conor Garvey and Ambrose all played a part and should be available in some form for this weeks match.

Also mentions that Liam Doyle played a full game which is great news.  Dan Gordon played a half at midfield and scored a goal. Anyone know anything about this and who played full back when Dan was moved to midfield?  Interesting scenario and I wonder if Wee James is thinking on this.

Aidan Carr also had a good game - I take rumours he had left the panel were untru or did he return?
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Post by: NP 76 on July 05, 2011, 10:05:08 AM
Doyle played full back when Dan went to mid field for 2nd half . Tried all the boys out Eoin Mc Cartan played full game but got hurt last night at training another sprained ankle . That pitch in the Abbey strikes again . Daniel Mc Cartan best player on the field v Roscommon Shine never scored
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Post by: RedFred on July 05, 2011, 11:09:58 AM
Any venues or times for the championship games yet?
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Post by: snoopdog on July 05, 2011, 02:30:48 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on July 05, 2011, 10:05:08 AM
Doyle played full back when Dan went to mid field for 2nd half . Tried all the boys out Eoin Mc Cartan played full game but got hurt last night at training another sprained ankle . That pitch in the Abbey strikes again . Daniel Mc Cartan best player on the field v Roscommon Shine never scored

What was the result against the Rossies
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Post by: NP 76 on July 05, 2011, 02:51:33 PM
Think it finished 1- 13 to 0 - 12 Dan Gordon scored the goal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 05, 2011, 04:09:16 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on July 05, 2011, 02:51:33 PM
Think it finished 1- 13 to 0 - 12 Dan Gordon scored the goal
cheers NP
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Post by: ardtole on July 05, 2011, 10:15:27 PM
There are 3 games in div 3 originally scheduled for this Friday, Bosco v Ardglass, Atticall v Kilclief and Darragh Cross v St Johns that are called off due to the Down game on Saturday. But none of these teams have players involved with the county panel. I can understand the other 3 games being called off because McCommiskey, McAreavey and Alder are involved with the county. All the div 4 games are going ahead, I just dont see why these games couldnt be played as well, especially as the holiday break is the following week and it will leave quite a long break between league games.
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Post by: duffed on July 05, 2011, 10:21:09 PM
When We Win - Kilclief have already been beaten in the league this year - by Carryduff
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Post by: Square Ball on July 08, 2011, 08:37:50 PM
bredagh beat aghaderg by a few
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Post by: turkey+ham on July 08, 2011, 09:24:21 PM
Drumaness got beat in Saul by a pt or drew, depending on when you asked the ref, after the game or after he got harangued by the Drumaness supporters  :-\
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Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 08, 2011, 09:35:42 PM
Saul 4-91-18Drumaness
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Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on July 08, 2011, 10:09:30 PM
St Pauls  2-12 1-10 Teconnaught 

We were 1-08 to 1-02 down at half time....We were bloody awful.....A bollocking and some strong words in the changing rooms and we come out and play some great football...

Game of two halfs!!! ???
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Post by: dundrumite on July 09, 2011, 11:00:29 AM
Quote from: turkey+ham on July 08, 2011, 09:24:21 PM
Drumaness got beat in Saul by a pt or drew, depending on when you asked the ref, after the game or after he got harangued by the Drumaness supporters  :-\

Was it a drawor not though?
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Post by: Dubh driocht on July 09, 2011, 06:07:16 PM
Team for next week
Mc Veigh
Rafferty Dan Benny Mc Ardle
Garvey Mc Kernan(just) Rooney
King and Fitzie
Maginn Marty Doyle ( or Danny if fit)
Poly Lavery Benny
Subs ; Daniel, Danny, Carr, Colgan, Ambrose,Duffin,Mooney,Alder,Murtagh, Murphy ( assuming all fit).Full Stop.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on July 09, 2011, 07:07:22 PM
Team for next week if sense prevails
McVeigh
Brannigan Rooney  Rafferty
Doyle Garvey McKernan
King Gordon
Hughes (orMooney) Maginn Poland
Laverty Coulter Clarke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 09, 2011, 07:23:19 PM
Lol Doyle and mckernan in the same half back line, with Doyle on the right  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 09, 2011, 07:23:45 PM
You would leave Brannigan out of next lineup? I thought he had a very good game today. Thought Benny was great too, kicked some lovely points. Laverty was his usual imaginative but sometimes frustrating self. Rooney virtually inefective at midfeild, Peter Fitz should be in there. Even King too, Dont think he added much today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 09, 2011, 07:26:02 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on July 09, 2011, 07:23:45 PM
You would leave Brannigan out of next lineup? I thought he had a very good game today. Thought Benny was great too, kicked some lovely points. Laverty was his usual imaginative but sometimes frustrating self. Rooney virtually inefective at midfeild, Peter Fitz should be in there. Even King too, Dont think he added much today.

Were u at the game?? Rooney was wing back and mckernan started midfield !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 09, 2011, 08:07:22 PM
I forgot about Mc Comiskey- easily done on today's performance- but he is well worth his place in the squad and will only get better.
I cannot fault Brannigan's commitment but felt he was not stong enough today when it mattered-the goal came from him being too easily held off the ball-he can run all day but doesn't anticipate the way Rafferty does. On the Dan debate - it's three for me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on July 09, 2011, 09:29:37 PM
Its Dan at full back for me also did well today . Putting him at mid field for the throw ins was a good move shows that James is not afraid to try something different but prefers him at full back . Mc Comiskey didnt get going today and the harder he tried the worse it got . Mc veighs attempted short kickouts were very poor to say the least
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 09, 2011, 11:32:09 PM
Leo, Rooney was tried at full back in the USC under Ross and it simply did not work. We would all love to see a new no 3 emege who would allow Dan to go back to midfield, but it is pretty clear that we do not have one at the moment. Dan has been a full back for barely a year, and is still learning his trade there, but he has been a vast improvement on everyone else in the position since Brian Burns. If Doyle was fit enough to go to centre half, with Garvey beside him, McKernan pushing forward from wing half and Hughes, Poland and Maginn dropping back as necessary, we might just come up with a viable defence. Gerard McCartan has been a huge loss, but Rafferty is back and O'Hagan could also do a job for us as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 10, 2011, 01:31:52 AM
The Dan Gordan debate is a hard one to call...from watching Down club and county football i can safely say he is the best midfielder we have... But there has been an air of confidence since he has lined out in the number three position!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on July 10, 2011, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 09, 2011, 07:23:19 PM
Lol Doyle and mckernan in the same half back line, with Doyle on the right  :D

Were you laughing at Doyle on the right (half forward) today? Or at No. 5 where he played a few seasons back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 10, 2011, 11:04:38 AM
Think he was laughing at the prospect of having Doyle and McKernan in the same half back line!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 10, 2011, 01:55:45 PM
Quote from: Leo on July 10, 2011, 10:18:06 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 09, 2011, 07:23:19 PM
Lol Doyle and mckernan in the same half back line, with Doyle on the right  :D

Were you laughing at Doyle on the right (half forward) today? Or at No. 5 where he played a few seasons back?
Quote from: supersub on July 10, 2011, 11:04:38 AM
Think he was laughing at the prospect of having Doyle and McKernan in the same half back line!

Both.

Playing right half back is very different from playing right half forward for a left footer.  Ross Carr or Doyle play on the right in the forward line so they can come inside and shoot off the left.  Playing on the right in defence means invariable Doyle would have to come inside the majority of the time to solo or kick which is very dangerous for a defender.

The idea of 2 ball playing, non man marking half backs such as doyle and mckernan playing along the same line would scare the life out of me if I had the 2 o'shea's, Conor Gormley and Joe McMahon beside them never mind our limited defenders.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 10, 2011, 03:37:48 PM
In praise of.......little and large

Amid the debate on Dan, I think it's worth praising the little and large of Down football- Lavery and Dan.The two East Down men might have the odd disagreement but they're emerging as pivotal players in the 2011 season
Lavery plays like we all did after school with jumpers as posts. He ducks and weaves and darts about with a free spirit but is so effective. Having seen him at close quarters over the years, he is the most competitive man in Down, and I think he would bring the same will-to-win to a game of tiddlywinks as he does to our forward-line.He is playing the football of his life and James clearly sees him as the perfect foil for Benny and Marty, as epitomised by his flick from Marty's diagonal ball for Benny's fine second half point.
Dan is IMO the unsung hero of last year's run to the final.Forced to play in an unfamiliar position, he just got on with it, and brought a calmness and presence to a jittery full-back line. This man will do whatever it takes for Down and never complains or makes a scene. Cool Hand Dan deserves an All-Star for his service to Loughinisland, Down and Ulster but we know it doesn't work that way- however, a good run this year and you never know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on July 10, 2011, 03:43:51 PM
Agree with you Dubh 2 un sung men on our team . Dan just got on with being fired into a totally different position never complained at all . Laverty bidded his time and has worked his way into the team and no one can say he is not worth his place . Always gives 100 % both of them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 10, 2011, 07:14:50 PM
Antrim at Casement is a tough one but there were tougher.
The Mc Kenna Cup game on a cold January night was the proverbial game of two halves  which ended equal but not really a guide to a championship game in July. However, they don't like us and Bradley will have them totally pumped. They have strong athletic players and a reliable free-taker ( if he starts) but no outstanding forwards. We will be slight favouraites , but unlike what I am going to do, James should look no further than Casement.
If we win, a home tie was going to be an important issue.We fear nobody on a Saturday night in Parc Esler. Well there is no bigger test than Cork. But if we are going to improve and climb the ultimate, it might be the best time to get them, like Kerry last year.Couldn't be tougher mind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on July 10, 2011, 07:17:25 PM
Doesnt matter who wins between Down and Antrim the next round against Cork will be in a neutral venue
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 10, 2011, 07:45:56 PM
That makes it really really hard. But we'll give it a lash against Antrim and hopefully an even bigger lash against the rebels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 10, 2011, 07:59:17 PM
id say IF we get by Antrim then we will play Cork in Portlaoise.
Down need Ambrose and Danny back quick or Cork will tank us. Id say they will beat us easily enough anyway.
Gutted with that draw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 10, 2011, 08:11:52 PM
Snoop, there's no reason why Cork should tank Down.

Despite having eons more experience, then obliterating us at midfield for 35 minutes, they beat us by  just 1 point in the AI final. 1 point.

As for the League game this year, that took place in Cork and our boys were neck and neck for 60.

If we get past Antrim and have a fortnight to
clear up the half a dozen or so injuries and knocks, we will push Cork all the way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on July 10, 2011, 09:18:54 PM
For me the draw against Antrim is much the same as this years UFC quarter final against Armagh. On paper we are the better team but we are travelling to their back yard and Bradley, like orourke, will have them seriously pumped up and they will throw the kitchen sink at us. I am confident of a win and have a feeling that Saturday will be the night that things start to click for Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 10, 2011, 10:35:20 PM
Wobbler is right, as - if we survive next Saturday - we know that, at our best, we are capable of giving Cork a decent rattle. Getting out of Casement is a different matter, as it has been a graveyard  for some good and not so good Down teams. Antrim beat us there in a downpour in 2000, but what we will remember is that three times we went to Casement as defending AI champions (62, 69 and 92) and three times we lost. We also lost to Tyrone there in 84, to Armagh after a replay in 90, to Cavan  in 02 and then Armagh in our first ever qualifier the same year and to Tyrone again last year. We did have a great win there against Tyrone in 99, and we beat Cavan there in 06, but it is not exactly our lucky ground.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on July 11, 2011, 01:00:59 AM
First post from the wobbler this long time thought he was on holidays . If we get OVER Antrim only a week to Cork game not 2 weeks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on July 11, 2011, 02:40:22 PM
According to the notes in the programme for last Saturday's match ground regulations at Pairc Esler can now be enforced by the Garda.
Did I miss something in the GFA?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 11, 2011, 04:35:43 PM
7pm throw in in Casement next Saturday confirmed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointlad on July 13, 2011, 02:52:28 PM
Heard today that if Down win they'll play Cork in Croke Park in a double header with the winners of Meath/ Kildare v Ulster Final Losers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on July 13, 2011, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: pointlad on July 13, 2011, 02:52:28 PM
Heard today that if Down win they'll play Cork in Croke Park in a double header with the winners of Meath/ Kildare v Ulster Final Losers.

Hope this is true, cus I feel on a big field we will take Cork apart.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on July 13, 2011, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on July 13, 2011, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: pointlad on July 13, 2011, 02:52:28 PM
Heard today that if Down win they'll play Cork in Croke Park in a double header with the winners of Meath/ Kildare v Ulster Final Losers.

Hope this is true, cus I feel on a big field we will take Cork apart.

eh, we played them on the big field of croke park last september.....  :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 16, 2011, 10:35:50 PM
Are there any league games scheduled for this Friday or will they be put back due to the cork game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 16, 2011, 10:57:42 PM
Thought Brannigan was Man of the Match tonight for me. Never put a foot wrong, disspossed his man at least 5times or forced him to overcarry, getting on the scoresheet was no more than he deserved!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on July 17, 2011, 10:11:19 AM
thought Brannigan had a great game and played with more authority and McCartan also his best to date dont know what Mcardles value is just yet other than breaking the ball down although to be fair to him Aodhan is is an exceptional player in the modern game,to me doyle is far too slow and well off the pace-no time or space allowed now to pick off a pass-danny lifted the whole team and mooney added youthfulness and speed rarely seen in senior county teams today,first half was not good enough but there were signs in the second half and maybe the inclusion of Rafferty and Ambrose that things are ganiing a momentum -UP DOWN!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on July 17, 2011, 02:39:03 PM
Even though Down had a convicing win. It did not tell the whole story.

The positives from last night were:
Good performances from Dan Gordon, Aidan Brannigan and Conor Laverty.
Danny Hughes coming back.
Monney played well when introduced.

Negatives were:
Marty Clarke did not want to know.
Kalum King was useless.
Lack of movement up front from the forwards
Short passing out of the defence
Substitutions did not make sense.

I dont want to be negative but Down will need to up their performance big style next Saturday in Croke Park or else they will get hammered by Cork.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 17, 2011, 07:16:08 PM
thought aiden brannigan had his best game for down last night rounding it of with a nice point. also good performances from big dan, gerard mc cartan, connor lavery and benny. great to see danny back and great to see so many down fans there cheering on the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on July 17, 2011, 09:08:10 PM
All in all a great 2nd half . We did what we had to do with great performances from Dan who won everything that went in high or low Brannigan who covered every blade of grass on the field and also from Gerald Mc Cartan who did nothing wrong . Glad to see the management not afraid to take Rooney off he hasnt been at his best thus far and Benny Mc Ardle will push him hard for his place next sat . Mid field did ok Mc Ardle is young but did ok . Big Kalum does alot of work that he doesnt always get praise for puts in alot of hits and always gets back to support the defence. Of the forwards Laverty was excellent as was Poland who got through alot of work . Although Marty was quiet he scored 1 - 04 not a bad contribution . We will be well fit for Cork and am quietly confident
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 17, 2011, 09:22:30 PM
Quote from: razor on July 17, 2011, 02:39:03 PM
Negatives were:
Marty Clarke did not want to know.
Kalum King was useless.
Lack of movement up front from the forwards
Short passing out of the defence
Substitutions did not make sense.

I dont want to be negative but Down will need to up their performance big style next Saturday in Croke Park or else they will get hammered by Cork.
Are you serious?

Marty Clarke never stopped running but he is now marked a lot more tightly than last year but still scored 1-04.

Kalum King tired but broke the ball really well to the foraging Down players. He wasn't brilliant but far from useless and certainly got the better of his man.

Lack of movement up front?????? Were you watching Laverty and Coulter who ran their defence ragged and Mooney when he came on couldn't even be caught

Short passing out of defence allowed us to retain possession. I take it you would rather we punt hail Mary's up the pitch to isolated forwards who are in a 50-50 fight with bigger opponents? Before you complain about the strategy for moving ball out of defence perhaps you could tell me how many times our defenders turned over possession doing this?

Are you trying to tell me bringing on the fastest player in the team Mooney made no sense against a tiring defence? Mooney slamming a ball in the net made no sense? Bringing in Danny made no sense? giving him game time before Cork made no sense? His immediate impact at winning break ball made no sense? Bringing on Fitzpatrick for the tiring King made no sense? I thought you already disparaged King's performances? Taking off Benny when the game was won made no sense? Bringing on a fresh McComiskey who scored made no sense? Sorry, please tell me which substitution made no sense?

And if you don't want to be negative then don't be, we just beat Antrim by 12 points, hammered them.  Our full back line was superb. We racked up a score that hasn't been bettered by any team in the qualifiers at all. You can only beat what is front of you. More will be asked and more will be given. How about you give a team that has just won two matches by 8 points and 12 points a bit of a break?

Down will compete against Cork, let's not write them off yet? Cork didn't exactly hammer us in the All Ireland Final did they? And they didn't look like an unstoppable force against Kerry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on July 18, 2011, 10:51:56 AM
ive come to the conclusion that 99% of the people on these forums have not got a clue about football and just go to get out of the house.  Some of the commens on this and other forums are totally wrong and uncalled for and i think people just dont like saying good things about anybody.  Get behind the players and show them the support they deserve.   If theres negative comments on these forums its only human that players will either read or hear of them and this puts unneeded pressure on them.  Get behind the team and make them be proud of being on the Down team and let them relax, instead of them being slated all of the time..  By the way we will beat Cork by2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 18, 2011, 12:57:12 PM
Next set of ACFL fixtures will be Friday 29th of July AFAIK.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on July 18, 2011, 02:45:17 PM
Yes i am deadly serious.

Clarke was not good on Saturday night. He scored 1-2 out of his 1-4 in the last 20 mins.

Ok. I accept Kalum king is a nuisance in the middle of the field against teams but he was no good on Saturday night

When the defence were running out the lack of movement was evident from the Down forwards. Mooney is quick and Laverty won every ball kicked into him but Coulter hides behind the man looking the high one in when maybe he should move more.

I accept that the short passing out of defence allowed us to retain possession but it is a very very risky game and if it breaks down then we are fucked. I would rather we punt the ball up the pitch into space for the forwards. The number of times our defenders turned over possession doing this was at least 5 or 6 times

Ok. The introduction of mooney, hughes, mccomiskey and fitzpatrick were were good ideas but i think that the down management panicked and they brought off the wrong players apart from taking off Kalum King. The supporters around me were also giving off when wee James made these decisions. I can maybe understand giving Benny some rest but putting young mcardle from burren into midfield was the wrong move when your best midfielder at full back.

The scoreline on saturday night flattered down. Lets be honest because if you remember Antrim were leading by a point ten  minutes into the second half. I was at the Liatroim game as well and they were not good that day as well. Clare and Leitrim are division 4 sides and Antrim are a division 3 side so down should be beating these teams with a lot more ease. By the way there are plent of teams who scored that amount in this years championship. Laois, Meath and Limerick just to name a few.

I agree they will put up a challenge against cork. Cork should have beat us by far more in the All Ireland final. Kerry know how to play against cork though and down will have learned nothing from last september or in the league meeting this year which they stuffed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 18, 2011, 03:32:30 PM
Croke Park double header for Cork-Down and Kildare-Derry

GAA headquarters will host two mouth watering All-Ireland SFC Qualifier Round 4 games on Saturday, including a repeat of last year's All-Ireland final.

The day gets underway with Kildare playing Derry at 4pm with Cork then playing Down at 6pm, with the second game to be televised live on TV3.
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 18, 2011, 03:32:52 PM
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1807111507-venues-confirmed-for-football-qualifiers/ (http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1807111507-venues-confirmed-for-football-qualifiers/)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 18, 2011, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: razor on July 18, 2011, 02:45:17 PM
Yes i am deadly serious.

Clarke was not good on Saturday night. He scored 1-2 out of his 1-4 in the last 20 mins.

Ok. I accept Kalum king is a nuisance in the middle of the field against teams but he was no good on Saturday night

When the defence were running out the lack of movement was evident from the Down forwards. Mooney is quick and Laverty won every ball kicked into him but Coulter hides behind the man looking the high one in when maybe he should move more.

I accept that the short passing out of defence allowed us to retain possession but it is a very very risky game and if it breaks down then we are fucked. I would rather we punt the ball up the pitch into space for the forwards. The number of times our defenders turned over possession doing this was at least 5 or 6 times

Ok. The introduction of mooney, hughes, mccomiskey and fitzpatrick were were good ideas but i think that the down management panicked and they brought off the wrong players apart from taking off Kalum King. The supporters around me were also giving off when wee James made these decisions. I can maybe understand giving Benny some rest but putting young mcardle from burren into midfield was the wrong move when your best midfielder at full back.

The scoreline on saturday night flattered down. Lets be honest because if you remember Antrim were leading by a point ten  minutes into the second half. I was at the Liatroim game as well and they were not good that day as well. Clare and Leitrim are division 4 sides and Antrim are a division 3 side so down should be beating these teams with a lot more ease. By the way there are plent of teams who scored that amount in this years championship. Laois, Meath and Limerick just to name a few.

I agree they will put up a challenge against cork. Cork should have beat us by far more in the All Ireland final. Kerry know how to play against cork though and down will have learned nothing from last september or in the league meeting this year which they stuffed.

King did better than the man he was marking, therefore to say he was no good? What definition are you using?

Coulter is nursing an injury but still destroyed his man, what more do you want from him? He moved well enough to score two points and set up two goals, isn't that enough for you?

You accept short passing retains possession but you still don't want them to do it? That is just nonsensical, You want us to play risky balls long instead of retaining possession. Also if we only turned over possession 5-6 times, how many more would it have been from hopeful punts? And if we did turn over 5-6 times why weren't we "fcuked" 5-6 times? I don't remember any great disaster's in defence in fact our full back line has been praised for their efforts by everyone else

So you say the substitutions make no sense, now you say that bringing in Hughes, McComiskey, Mooney and Fitzpatrick were good ideas. You have to make up your mind, did it make sense or not? As for players coming off  - You already admit it was correct to give Coulter a rest, You don't like King so I can't see why you are complaining about him being removed. Liam Doyle was injured and took himself off, what makes no sense about that one? Did you really think Maginn was doing so well that it was wrong to take him off?  McComiskey came on for Rooney, again do you think Rooney was having a good game? Should someone else have come off before him? All the substitutions made perfect sense. McCardle wasn't a sub, he started the game. And why not? Is this not the sort of game where a little risk could be taken? The management are showing some vision for the future while still getting a victory for today. Incidentally McCardle had a better game than Rooney or Maginn. So which player was the wrong one to take off - under performing Rooney, under performing Maginn,  or injured Doyle?

So what if Antrim were a single point ahead in the second half. Football is a 70 minute game not a 40 minute game, games aren't won in the first 40 minutes (just ask Armagh minors) the better team is the team that performed over the sum of 70 minutes, yeah Antrim had a flurry but that happens in nearly all championship games. You don't empty the tank in the first half. Down played a 70 minute game and in the end cantered to a crushing victory.

I was wrong that no one has scored more in the qualifiers, Meath and Kildare have scored bigger totals but only Kildare have won by a bigger margin. So in 20 qualifiers so far we have just put up the second biggest winning margin.

Look it's simple enough, you are in fact being negative for negativity's sake. You are just complaining about things that if they were different you would complain about that too. If he hadn't made the subs you would complain that Mooney, McComiskey never got a chance. If we punted high balls in and lost possession you would complain about that. If Benny ran around like a chicken and tired himself out you would complain that he need to learn to time his runs. If they'd taken off anyone else you would have complained about that. If Marty Clarke only scores 7 points (4 from play) you complain about that, apparently he didn't score them at the right time for you, he is only any good if he scores in the first 50 minutes, I wasn't aware that scores in the last 20 don't count for anything!!!

And finally why the hell would you say Cork should have beaten us by far more? We should have been further clear of them in the first half. If Murphy hadn't come on and pole-axed Fitzpatrick they would have been in even more trouble. As for the end, Goulding scored three successive 45's, a rare feat and not one they could have won the game without. Our defence kept Cork to just 9 points from play (while we got 12), so how do you reckon they should have beat us by more, when they virtually never missed a free?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on July 18, 2011, 08:24:39 PM
Quote from: razor on July 18, 2011, 02:45:17 PM
Yes i am deadly serious.

Shhhh! Ye'll have them thinking we're all eejits in Kilcoo!!

Yes, the scoreline flattered us - yes, some of the players you named have played better; but they weren't "useless" or "did not want to know".


Short passing from defence is good - quickly build some space for the defender to make a good accurate kick pass inside to the forward who knows to time the run to match it. That time spent short passing also allows a supporting runner from midfield/half forward to get up closer to the inside forwards to keep the move going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 18, 2011, 09:36:53 PM
Quote from: razor on July 18, 2011, 02:45:17 PM
Yes i am deadly serious.

Clarke was not good on Saturday night. He scored 1-2 out of his 1-4 in the last 20 mins.

Ok. I accept Kalum king is a nuisance in the middle of the field against teams but he was no good on Saturday night

When the defence were running out the lack of movement was evident from the Down forwards. Mooney is quick and Laverty won every ball kicked into him but Coulter hides behind the man looking the high one in when maybe he should move more.

I accept that the short passing out of defence allowed us to retain possession but it is a very very risky game and if it breaks down then we are fucked. I would rather we punt the ball up the pitch into space for the forwards. The number of times our defenders turned over possession doing this was at least 5 or 6 times

Ok. The introduction of mooney, hughes, mccomiskey and fitzpatrick were were good ideas but i think that the down management panicked and they brought off the wrong players apart from taking off Kalum King. The supporters around me were also giving off when wee James made these decisions. I can maybe understand giving Benny some rest but putting young mcardle from burren into midfield was the wrong move when your best midfielder at full back.

The scoreline on saturday night flattered down. Lets be honest because if you remember Antrim were leading by a point ten  minutes into the second half. I was at the Liatroim game as well and they were not good that day as well. Clare and Leitrim are division 4 sides and Antrim are a division 3 side so down should be beating these teams with a lot more ease. By the way there are plent of teams who scored that amount in this years championship. Laois, Meath and Limerick just to name a few.

I agree they will put up a challenge against cork. Cork should have beat us by far more in the All Ireland final. Kerry know how to play against cork though and down will have learned nothing from last september or in the league meeting this year which they stuffed.


I agree with you razor... King is unfit.. Anton struggles to get on the Burren team and i think we have  a better option in Alan Higgins.. Benny is like his cousin Robbie looking for the ball over the top and Garvey fouls for fun in the same way his manager Francie used to hit.. Why not put McKernan back to centre half.. Doyle adds no pace and wont start on Sat.. James need to get his lads to get the ball in early!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on July 18, 2011, 11:04:39 PM
Its not Clown Jim again is it? You clueless twat! I bet you wouldnt say any of them comments to the aforementioned  faces, the four of them would take lumps out of you! Your actually being critical of Downs best player and Downs best defender! Alot of posters have stated they were glad to see Garvey back, and so what if he hits hard, someone has to lead our defence! Garvey was given the job of marking Antrims best player and kept him to one point, now i dont know what more you expect of him! Wee james and his team obviously thought he was doing ok or maybe didnt have faith in anyone else. McKernan is hot and cold, i hope the Allstar hasnt gone to his head cos he aint playing the way he did last year!

Hard to believe that Conor Laverty and Choc werent on the panel when Ross was in charge, two star performers the other night!

Is it true that Corks' Shields and Murphy are out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on July 19, 2011, 08:48:55 AM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on July 18, 2011, 11:04:39 PM
Hard to believe that Conor Laverty and Choc werent on the panel when Ross was in charge, two star performers the other night!

A Hilltown man is always going to have a hard time recognising and appreciating the (obvious) greatness of Kilcoo men!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 19, 2011, 09:06:37 AM
Sadly, the opinions of the likes of Razor and downjim are reflective of a good percentage of the GAA world's thinking. The lack of commonsense, perspective and acceptance among some GAA fans really riles me.

Message boards should be used to critique and analyse players, decisions, and actions. But I'm always of the opinion that you need to pitch a realistic level for your happiness. And the bit I don't understand is how the mindset of the mouthy critics has become wined and dined to expect perfection - especially from a Down team.

In 25 years of watching and playing football, I've seen something approaching perfection on a rare handful of occasions. I don't expect 15 players to play well at once, because it is such a rarity. I don't expect a star forward to hit 1.07 each week... simply because he will spend a large number of those weeks being marked by a star defender.

I was the mouthiest c*nt on here during POR's tender, because Down were not just underachieving - but were getting regularly obliterated in Championship football. I didn't expect Down to win AIs then, I only expected us to to be competitive.

I'm not sure what today's mouthpieces want. We've gone around our business quietly and efficiently throughout the qualifiers, and are now in the final 12 again. Given that we're meeting the AI Champions this week, I don't expect a win. I'd love a win, but as long as we turn up and give it a good rattle, I'll be happy.






Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on July 19, 2011, 09:35:28 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 19, 2011, 09:06:37 AM
Sadly, the opinions of the likes of Razor and downjim are reflective of a good percentage of the GAA world's thinking. The lack of commonsense, perspective and acceptance among some GAA fans really riles me.

Message boards should be used to critique and analyse players, decisions, and actions. But I'm always of the opinion that you need to pitch a realistic level for your happiness. And the bit I don't understand is how the mindset of the mouthy critics has become wined and dined to expect perfection - especially from a Down team.

In 25 years of watching and playing football, I've seen something approaching perfection on a rare handful of occasions. I don't expect 15 players to play well at once, because it is such a rarity. I don't expect a star forward to hit 1.07 each week... simply because he will spend a large number of those weeks being marked by a star defender.

I was the mouthiest c*nt on here during POR's tender, because Down were not just underachieving - but were getting regularly obliterated in Championship football. I didn't expect Down to win AIs then, I only expected us to to be competitive.

I'm not sure what today's mouthpieces want. We've gone around our business quietly and efficiently throughout the qualifiers, and are now in the final 12 again. Given that we're meeting the AI Champions this week, I don't expect a win. I'd love a win, but as long as we turn up and give it a good rattle, I'll be happy.

Well said Wobbler

Last 12 and AI Champions in Croker is big time stuff, fair play to all in the panel, I hope they go out and give a good account and play their best and if that isn't good enough fair enough, at least they tried and it's a lot more than what most on here have ever done or are likely to do

Can't wait to Saturday!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 19, 2011, 11:35:26 AM
Quote from: Banana Man on July 19, 2011, 09:35:28 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 19, 2011, 09:06:37 AM
Sadly, the opinions of the likes of Razor and downjim are reflective of a good percentage of the GAA world's thinking. The lack of commonsense, perspective and acceptance among some GAA fans really riles me.

Message boards should be used to critique and analyse players, decisions, and actions. But I'm always of the opinion that you need to pitch a realistic level for your happiness. And the bit I don't understand is how the mindset of the mouthy critics has become wined and dined to expect perfection - especially from a Down team.

In 25 years of watching and playing football, I've seen something approaching perfection on a rare handful of occasions. I don't expect 15 players to play well at once, because it is such a rarity. I don't expect a star forward to hit 1.07 each week... simply because he will spend a large number of those weeks being marked by a star defender.

I was the mouthiest c*nt on here during POR's tender, because Down were not just underachieving - but were getting regularly obliterated in Championship football. I didn't expect Down to win AIs then, I only expected us to to be competitive.

I'm not sure what today's mouthpieces want. We've gone around our business quietly and efficiently throughout the qualifiers, and are now in the final 12 again. Given that we're meeting the AI Champions this week, I don't expect a win. I'd love a win, but as long as we turn up and give it a good rattle, I'll be happy.

Well said Wobbler

Last 12 and AI Champions in Croker is big time stuff, fair play to all in the panel, I hope they go out and give a good account and play their best and if that isn't good enough fair enough, at least they tried and it's a lot more than what most on here have ever done or are likely to do

Can't wait to Saturday!!
+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: artisan2010 on July 19, 2011, 11:44:21 AM
Some people with very short memories, wasnt that long ago we were playing Division three football and looking for Fermanagh, Antrim or Cavan in the Ulster championship to try and get a win of any sort and we came up short on a few occassions there.

As others have said the game is 70 minutes long, very few teams dominate entire games now.  Entire teams will not have great games all that is required is that the sum of the parts is better than the other lots.

To criticise Coulter in particular is laughable.  The man carried Down teams for the best part of a decade, two weeks ago he scored 7 points , last week he contributed to two goals give me more "one trick ponies" 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 19, 2011, 01:34:47 PM
Why do people react to Downjim, he is on his school holidays and is obviously bored and is looking a windup.

Even the most loyal Burren supporters would be happy to admit that coulter and garvey are 2 of Downs most important players, coulter being the most important of all.

MDG or any Kilcoo lads were the Down subs playing Kilcoo last night and if so does anyone know how ambrose went?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 19, 2011, 02:11:31 PM
Indeed lets try and stay away from the childish issue clownjim creates. I would imagine fringe/injured players got the most game time in these recent frendlies with Kilcoo and Mayobridge. I heard Ambrose played a decent chunk in the Mayobridge game but still didnt feature vs Antrim, how did he go in the kilcoo game anyone know? If he is training and playing then he must be on the right road, so why not use him vs antrim, one would have thought? for the last 5/10 whe nthe game was won? Doubt James will throw him in at the deep end against Cork.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 19, 2011, 02:22:24 PM
For all my criticism of the ridiculously negative comments that have been posted by a few people on here, I do have a bit of a fear. The question is are we currently on a path that is like last year or bears closer resemblance to 2008?

In 2008 we beat Tyrone, fell to Armagh, got a couple of qualifiers under our belt and then fell heavily to Wexford, proving that our qualifier victories had just flattered to deceive.

In 2010 we fell to Tyrone, got a couple of qualifiers under our belt and then went on to prove against Kerry that our qualifier victories were proof of form and momentum.

So on Saturday I wonder which way our season will end up looking after the 70 minutes? I like to think that we have enough left in the tank to put in a higher standard of performance than so far (as we did last year against Kerry). We will need a lung bursting display, but look at the Dublin league match where we ran them ragged and only naivety stopped us closing the game out. We are capable of it. If Marty, King, McKernan or the other lads have been holding anything back, now is the time to unleash it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: artisan2010 on July 19, 2011, 03:28:16 PM
Its been a knockout competition ever since we were beat by Armagh, am I missing something?.  The performance against Wexford was terrible.  We are now up against the current champions slightly different to the Wexford position.  We have made substantial progress since the Wexford game .

We have every chance against Cork, the real comparison is to last year.  The challenge this year in round 4 is much more substantial than last year round 4.  Post mortems are largely held after games and even then the true measure of a performance may only be seen when the season is over and we all know who the winners are   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on July 19, 2011, 05:21:02 PM
James has got an awful lot more right than wrong since he got the Down job and if he sees something in a young player like Anton McArdle then both the manager and player deserve a bit of patience from Down supporters.

Croke Park from now to September provides a completely different challenge than the rest of the season . Some players thrive on it and others will crumble. McArdle might just be the man to do a job on Aidan Walsh . We will see soon enough .

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on July 20, 2011, 10:03:43 AM
the views of some posters on this site are the same week in week out. Jesis ye just want to be heard. It is acceptable that every supporter wants to see every single player on their team play well every game but lets be realistic here, thats not going to happen. I think in the last 5 years the only county in any of the gaa codes who could claim this happened was Kilkenny v Waterford. Only one game.

Lets accept that some players are going to have indifferent games but instead of berating them let all jump on board and give them support.

If half the idiots on this site were from Fermanagh, the county would probably dissolve the gaa. (Um maybe there is something in this idea)

Personally looking forward to a cracking weekend of footy and there is a 50% in championship football that we win. If we dont i doubt it will be because some lads did not want to strip out or because Benny hid behind his 6ft 5inch marker waiting to outcatch him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on July 20, 2011, 11:42:35 AM
I hear Greg Blaney's brother Kevin is taking the amalgamation team (Lecale), currently getting around 20 - 25 at training, anyone know who's been picked or any other details?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 20, 2011, 12:13:03 PM
Croker colour clash resolutions
20 July 2011

All four teams will sport alternative colours for Saturday's Croke Park qualifier double header.

As the first-choice strips would have led to a clash of colours for both the Kildare V Derry and Down V Cork matches, the four sides change to their second strips.

This means Kildare will be the Lilygreens as they lock horns with a Derry side sporting all red.

And two sides that normally wear red will change to white and black respectively: Cork will again wear the white jerseys used in last year's All-Ireland final against Down, but the Mourne men - who wore yellow last September - have registered a new black second strip.

It should all make for a colourful spectacle at HQ.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 20, 2011, 12:24:39 PM
Can't wait to see what the all black strip is going to look like. I would asume its basically outfeild players all wearing Brendan McVeigh's strip. I think thats going to look deadly! ;D Hard as nails.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 20, 2011, 12:33:43 PM
I couldnt give a flyin f**k what they wore as long as they give a good account of themselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on July 20, 2011, 01:12:40 PM
price to stand is the same as sitting...f**king ridiculous
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downexile1 on July 20, 2011, 01:54:09 PM
looking at the New York GAA website there,,whatever happened to the Down team in New York?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on July 20, 2011, 02:08:14 PM
Can anyone tell me next round of fixtures are?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 20, 2011, 02:13:47 PM
Fri 29th. Starred if down beat Cork.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 20, 2011, 03:19:29 PM
Quote from: st pauls mcgrath on July 20, 2011, 01:12:40 PM
price to stand is the same as sitting...f**king ridiculous

Where are you going to be standing? I was told the hill wasn't open!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 20, 2011, 07:57:20 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 20, 2011, 02:13:47 PM
Fri 29th. Starred if down beat Cork.

Is this definitly the case as I was told that there were going to be no division 1 or 2 matches until Down were beat as all the agreed starred games had been played at this stage and the clubs were refusing to play anymore games without their county players.  The source wouldnt be that reliable so may not be true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 20, 2011, 10:08:56 PM
Heard our management talking about it to the boys in the club during the week. Must have some substance!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 20, 2011, 10:55:21 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 20, 2011, 07:57:20 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 20, 2011, 02:13:47 PM
Fri 29th. Starred if down beat Cork.

Is this definitly the case as I was told that there were going to be no division 1 or 2 matches until Down were beat as all the agreed starred games had been played at this stage and the clubs were refusing to play anymore games without their county players.  The source wouldnt be that reliable so may not be true.

Definitely a full series of games on that night...I hope they're starred...we play the bridge!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: st pauls mcgrath on July 21, 2011, 08:25:13 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 20, 2011, 03:19:29 PM
Quote from: st pauls mcgrath on July 20, 2011, 01:12:40 PM
price to stand is the same as sitting...f**king ridiculous

Where are you going to be standing? I was told the hill wasn't open!!

according to ticketmaster there are standing tickets
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 21, 2011, 10:31:21 AM
Quote from: st pauls mcgrath on July 21, 2011, 08:25:13 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 20, 2011, 03:19:29 PM
Quote from: st pauls mcgrath on July 20, 2011, 01:12:40 PM
price to stand is the same as sitting...f**king ridiculous

Where are you going to be standing? I was told the hill wasn't open!!

according to ticketmaster there are standing tickets

Try buying one and see!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on July 21, 2011, 10:47:53 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 20, 2011, 07:57:20 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 20, 2011, 02:13:47 PM
Fri 29th. Starred if down beat Cork.

Is this definitly the case as I was told that there were going to be no division 1 or 2 matches until Down were beat as all the agreed starred games had been played at this stage and the clubs were refusing to play anymore games without their county players.  The source wouldnt be that reliable so may not be true.

Any chance your source was from Burren  ::). As they seem to be the only club with a grievance about starred games. Next friday is starred if Down win, so what get on with it. Look at what happened Ambrose last year, some may argue it cost us an All Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 21, 2011, 01:18:41 PM
No my source was actually a bridge man although he is not a part of their management team or the fixture committee hence didnt think he was that reliable.

As for Burren being the only team complaining, kingdom were the one to original make the complaint and other clubs followed in behind.  If Down were lucky enough to get to the final again this year which we all hope they do, clubs will have to go without their main players for the majority of the league.  And yes Burren can feel aggreived by having 6 players ( some may say 2 or 3 too many ) missing from their starting team for the majority of the year and then they are expected to gel for the championship within a wk of coming back together.

Why can the league not be started a month or6 wks earlier allowing county players to play 3/4 more games for the clubs before the starred games commenced.  Also if the championship was rattled off in 4 wks at the start of september it would allow clubs to have  a fews prep work done with their county players instead of asking them to come straight in and play the wk after the county team are knocked out of the championship.

Obviously this wouldnt work if Down were in the all ireland final but is this going to happen every year? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on July 21, 2011, 10:37:56 PM
this whole fixture set up is becoming a joke now.  NO games not knowing who or when we play next.  The club player is getting so badly treated here is gone even beyond a joke.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 22, 2011, 12:20:42 AM
The whole thing, league and championship should start earlier.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on July 23, 2011, 10:36:15 PM
Who is the best fullback playing club football in Down at the moment?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 24, 2011, 10:07:38 AM
Will anyone be able to put up prices for the SFC IFC and JFC games now that down are out. I think the first game is due to be played this Saturday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 24, 2011, 09:08:45 PM
               Senior Championship               
Day        Date   Time                  Venue      Referee   
                              
Sat          30/7/11   5 00      ASK Lecale    v   Longstone      Newcastle      G Corrigan   
                              
Mon      8/8/11   7 30      Warrenpoint   v   Ballyholland      Burren      O Burke   
Sat       6/8/11   7 30      Loughinisland   v   Tullylish      Castlewellan      L Smyth   
Wed       3/8/11   7 30      Rostrevor   v   Downpatrick      Kilcoo      E O Hare   
Sun      7/8/11   3 30      Clonduff    v   Castlewellan      Kilcoo      B Rice   
Sun      7/8/11   6 00      Saval   v    Mayobridge      Newry      C Brannigan   
Sun      7/8/11   7 30         v   Burren      Newry      G Tumelty   
Fri         5/8/11   7 30      An Riocht   v   Bryansford      Mayobridge      C Reynolds   
Thurs    4/8/11   7 30      Liatroim   v   Kilcoo      Clonduff      K Trainor   
                              
               Intermediate Championship               
                              
Sun     7/8/11   3 30      Carryduff   v   Dundrum      Downpatrick      C Mooney   
Sun     7/8/11   2 00      Kilclief   v   Shamrocks      Kilcoo      S O Hanlon   
Sat      6/8/11   6 00      Drumaness   v   Atticall      Castlewellan      A Sharvin   
Thurs   4/8/11   7 30      Drumgath   v   Clann na Banna      Saval      N Cousins   
Sat      6/8/11   2 00      St Johns   v   Glasdrumman      Drumaness      D Ryan   
Tues   9/8/11   8 00      Darragh Cross   v   Annaclone      Newry      D Laverty   
Tues   9/8/11   6 30      Glenn   v    St John Bosco      Newry      D Brogan   
Sat      6/8/11   3 30      Ballymartin   v   Ardglass      Drumaness      F Laverty   
                              
                              
               Junior Championship               
                              
Sun       7/8/11   2 00      Dromara   v   Aughlisnafinn      St Johns      D Kearns   
Sun       7/8/11   2 00      Saul   v    Balllykinlar      Downpatrick      K Mc Mahon   
Fri         5/8/11   7 30      Bright   v   Mitchels      Dundrum      D Cotter   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 24, 2011, 09:27:10 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on July 23, 2011, 10:36:15 PM
Who is the best fullback playing club football in Down at the moment?

Soupy Campbell....pity he's about half a foot too small. Outstanding performances week in week out for us....alright we use him quite a bit at half back but I've seen him holding the best forwards in the county scoreless regularly from any one of the six positions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 24, 2011, 09:31:41 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 24, 2011, 09:27:10 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on July 23, 2011, 10:36:15 PM
Who is the best fullback playing club football in Down at the moment?

Soupy Campbell....pity he's about half a foot too small. Outstanding performances week in week out for us....alright we use him quite a bit at half back but I've seen him holding the best forwards in the county scoreless regularly from any one of the six positions.

Was he about the county panel a few years back for awhile?

Best fullback in Division 3 is Stephen Deegans of Ardglass but he wouldn't be county standard nor is he the player he was 2/3 years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 24, 2011, 09:45:30 PM
There are very few clubs in the county who can afford the liberty of playing a county standard player at full back. For different reasons, Gordon and Garvey are probably the best options the county has, depending on what we're up against. 

Best club full backs in Down over past 4-5 years. Steve Trainor and Andrew Kane, both too old now. Brendan Grant, tried and failed. Gary McArdle and Darren Cunningham, tried but not trusted when it matters. Based on one game I saw, your man Johnston of Tullylish.

Damien Turley of Downpatrick has potential, but is probably missing the size needed. Darragh O Hanlon and Niall Donnelly will both get a run there sometime in the future, but only time will
tell there.

From my own perspective, if you had have put Colgan, King and Gordon in a line 2 years ago and asked me which one was going to be a county full back, Gordon would have been my distant 3rd pick. King's aggressiveness and Colgan's presence would have suggested so.

I'm sure McCartan and co must have pondered likewise and training must have been set up to find put who could play there.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 24, 2011, 09:53:18 PM
Stevie Deegans is 30 this year, but he should have been in the county panel 10 years ago. Considering how down have been struggling for defenders particullary in the full back line going right back to Paddy O'Rourkes time in charge it was a disgrace he didnt get a chance with the county. Considering the likes of Adrian Scullion {who was playing div 3 with Carryduff around the same time} among many others were given ample opportunities it always pissed me off that Stevie was always overlooked.

On another not, I see the county board does not give ask lecale much hope of beating Longstone, the winners play Burren and that game is fixed the day after Ardglass v Ballymartin in the IFC and the same day as Kilclief and Saul play their first round games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 24, 2011, 10:03:07 PM
Quote from: ardtole on July 24, 2011, 09:53:18 PM
Stevie Deegans is 30 this year, but he should have been in the county panel 10 years ago. Considering how down have been struggling for defenders particullary in the full back line going right back to Paddy O'Rourkes time in charge it was a disgrace he didnt get a chance with the county. Considering the likes of Adrian Scullion {who was playing div 3 with Carryduff around the same time} among many others were given ample opportunities it always pissed me off that Stevie was always overlooked.

On another not, I see the county board does not give ask lecale much hope of beating Longstone, the winners play Burren and that game is fixed the day after Ardglass v Ballymartin in the IFC and the same day as Kilclief and Saul play their first round games.

Will be interesting to see this Lecale lineup for Saturday's game. Im guessing it will be heavily Kilclief based. Ardtole, you think they have got a chance?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 24, 2011, 10:06:01 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2011, 09:45:30 PM
There are very few clubs in the county who can afford the liberty of playing a county standard player at full back. For different reasons, Gordon and Garvey are probably the best options the county has, depending on what we're up against. 

Best club full backs in Down over past 4-5 years. Steve Trainor and Andrew Kane, both too old now. Brendan Grant, tried and failed. Gary McArdle and Darren Cunningham, tried but not trusted when it matters. Based on one game I saw, your man Johnston of Tullylish.

Damien Turley of Downpatrick has potential, but is probably missing the size needed. Darragh O Hanlon and Niall Donnelly will both get a run there sometime in the future, but only time will
tell there.

From my own perspective, if you had have put Colgan, King and Gordon in a line 2 years ago and asked me which one was going to be a county full back, Gordon would have been my distant 3rd pick. King's aggressiveness and Colgan's presence would have suggested so.

I'm sure McCartan and co must have pondered likewise and training must have been set up to find put who could play there.   

I would say these boys were never tried because Colgan is slow and King is dead slow.  Gordon mightnt be the fastest but he has a degree of pace which allows him to man mark most men.  I just couldnt imagine King marking Stevie or even Donaghy for that matter and nor would i want to.  Colgan struggled to man mark from CHB and I would say he would be  worse at it further back against nippier, more dangerous forwards.  The same would apply to Mckernan imo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 24, 2011, 10:13:58 PM
It is very hard to say downfanatic. If you were to look at it, Longstone have 4 players who are currently in the senior county panel. Michael Higgins has played senior championship as well for Down. Lecale do not have any players who have even played a minute of league football for Down. So there is a huge difference in experience, id still expect Lecale to put it up to Longstone but no one will really know until saturday evening. I wonder what way the bookies will price up this game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: real food, real people on July 25, 2011, 03:52:59 PM
What about Peter Turley from Downpatrick at full back. i have a vague recollection of him doing rightly there a few times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 25, 2011, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 24, 2011, 09:31:41 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 24, 2011, 09:27:10 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on July 23, 2011, 10:36:15 PM
Who is the best fullback playing club football in Down at the moment?

Soupy Campbell....pity he's about half a foot too small. Outstanding performances week in week out for us....alright we use him quite a bit at half back but I've seen him holding the best forwards in the county scoreless regularly from any one of the six positions.

Was indeed....height beats him but he has everything else

Was he about the county panel a few years back for awhile?

Best fullback in Division 3 is Stephen Deegans of Ardglass but he wouldn't be county standard nor is he the player he was 2/3 years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on July 26, 2011, 04:52:24 PM
Senior Championship                

                             
ASK Lecale    v  Longstone      
                             
Warrenpoint   v   Ballyholland    
Loughinisland   v   Tullylish         
Rostrevor   v   Downpatrick         
Clonduff    v  Castlewellan        
Saval   v    Mayobridge         
          v  Burren      Newry     
An Riocht   v  Bryansford 
Liatroim   v   Kilcoo           
                         
               Intermediate Championship               
                             
Carryduff   v   Dundrum       
Kilclief   v   Shamrocks       
Drumaness   v   Atticall         
Drumgath    v   Clann na Banna       
St Johns   v   Glasdrumman         
Darragh Cross   v   Annaclone       
Glenn   v    St John Bosco     
Ballymartin    v   Ardglass     
                             
                             
               Junior Championship          
                             
Dromara   v   Aughlisnafinn       
Saul    v    Balllykinlar       
Bright   v  Mitchels     
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 26, 2011, 05:38:10 PM
For those who are wishing to join the PREDICTION LEAGUE. Please wait till after 9pm on Satl  I will post the selection on Sat evening. Last year was a difficult one to organise due to  Down successful run to Ai final.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 26, 2011, 09:16:56 PM
I was hoping to capitalise on a preliminary round shock with a lecale win over Longstone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 26, 2011, 10:06:39 PM
Prediction League 2011
Only outright winners accepted in each game.

43 games in total
19 first round games in SFC, IFC and JFC
12 Quarter finals games in SFC, IFC and JFC
6 Semi-final games in SFC, IFC and JFC
6 Final games in SFC, IFC, JFC, PRFC, RFC and MFC


Previous Prediction league leaderboard

2010
1   34    Bearly on loose
2   33    cokers
3   33    johnnie 99
4   33   Mid Down Gael
5   32   Dubh driocht

2009
1   34   Bacon
2   33   Downfanatic
3   32   Mid Down Gael
4   32   off the laces
5   32   thewobbler

2008
1   31   Downfanatic
2   30   Niall Quinn
3   30   off the laces
4   29   D45
5   28   amallon

Top 5 Overall leaders
1             94   Downfanatic
2   88   Niall Quinn
3   83   Square Ball
4   82   off the laces
5   80   general
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on July 26, 2011, 10:29:13 PM
Younger defensive prospects who could well become good full backs are Phillip Bonny and Colm Murney
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 27, 2011, 01:30:46 AM
The latter would have to dramatically improve his club form first!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: real food, real people on July 27, 2011, 04:25:21 PM
Anyone know much of who is on this ASK Lecale Squad then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on July 27, 2011, 04:40:02 PM
Is the ASK lecale Longstone match going ahead this weekend?
It seems a bit unfair on Longstone to be asked to play a championship match without having played any league games with all their county players available recently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 27, 2011, 09:43:34 PM
Quote from: real food, real people on July 27, 2011, 04:25:21 PM
Anyone know much of who is on this ASK Lecale Squad then?
/quote]
Its an amalgamation of Ardglass, Saul and Kilclief.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 27, 2011, 09:56:31 PM
Quote from: real food, real people on July 27, 2011, 04:25:21 PM
Anyone know much of who is on this ASK Lecale Squad then?

Ardtole/No.1 would be able to inform you but info on this team is very scarce at the moment.

From my knowledge of the teams involved in it, Kilclief will probably make up the bulk of the starting XV. Ciaran Sloan is a very talented midfielder/forward and extremely accurate from set peices while Ricky Kerr will definitely cause the Longstone defence problems as he is likely to start in the forward line. Other talented Kilclief players would be Aidan McCann, Donnan Ritchie and Ryan Kerr who would all be defensive options. Down hurler Fintan Conway would also be a strong option at midfield.

From Ardglass Liam Mullan and Michael Magee would be their main men. Mullan is one of the best players in Division 3 and he will be a threat in the forward line aswell as from 45's and frees. Neil Taggart is probably staking a place in the starting lineup too. He's a tricky forward.

Saul's best prospects would be Adam King and Nathan Keenan. King is an ideal centre half back and Keenan is a good bustling attacker. Three 2011 Down Minors in the form of the Arnold twins and Rory Mullen may also be likely for inclusion.

Overall, a combination of these three teams have plenty of attacking talent but the Stone with Ambrose, Mark Poland, Ryan Kelly and the Dorans in tow will have far too much firepower for any defence that ASK Lecale will muster up.

If I was going for an ASK Lecale lineup Id probably go for something like this:

1. Stephen Stratton (Saul)

2. Deaglan Arnold (Saul)
3. Donnan Ritchie (Kilclief)
4. Rory Mullen (Saul)

5. Aidan McCann (Kilclief)
6. Adam King (Saul)
7. Ryan Kerr (Kilclief)

8. Ciaran Sloan (Kilclief)
9. Fintan Conway (Kilclief)

10. Owen Curran (Kilclief)
11. Liam Mullan (Ardglass)
12. Neil Teggart (Ardglass)

13. Ricky Kerr (Kilclief)
14. Michael Magee (Ardglass)
15. Nathan Keenan (Saul)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 27, 2011, 10:51:46 PM
Revised Championship schedule

               Senior Championship            
Day        Date   Time                  Venue      Referee
                           
Sat          30/7/11   5 00      ASK Lecale    v   Longstone      Newcastle      G Corrigan
                           
Mon      8/8/11   7 30      Warrenpoint   v   Ballyholland      Burren      O Burke
Sat       6/8/11   7 30      Loughinisland   v   Tullylish      Dundrum      L Smyth
Wed       3/8/11   7 30      Rostrevor   v   Downpatrick      Castlewellan      E O Hare
Sun      7/8/11   3 30      Clonduff    v   Castlewellan      Kilcoo      B Rice
Sun      7/8/11   6 00      Saval   v    Mayobridge      Newry      C Brannigan
Sun      7/8/11   7 30         v   Burren      Newry      G Tumelty
Fri         5/8/11   7 30      An Riocht   v   Bryansford      Mayobridge      C Reynolds
Thurs    4/8/11   7 30      Liatroim   v   Kilcoo      Clonduff      K Trainor
                           
               Intermediate Championship            
                           
Sun     7/8/11   3 30      Carryduff   v   Dundrum      Downpatrick      C Mooney
Sun     7/8/11   2 00      Kilclief   v   Shamrocks      Kilcoo      S O Hanlon
Sat      6/8/11   6 00      Drumaness   v   Atticall      Dundrum      A Sharvin
Thurs   4/8/11   7 30      Drumgath   v   Clann na Banna      Saval      N Cousins
Sat      6/8/11   2 00      St Johns   v   Glasdrumman      Drumaness      D Ryan
Tues   9/8/11   8 00      Darragh Cross   v   Annaclone      Newry      D Laverty
Tues   9/8/11   6 30      Glenn   v    St John Bosco      Newry      D Brogan
Sat      6/8/11   3 30      Ballymartin   v   Ardglass      Drumaness      F Laverty
                           
                           
               Junior Championship            
                           
Sun       7/8/11   2 00      Dromara   v   Aughlisnafinn      St Johns      D Kearns
Sun       7/8/11   2 00      Saul   v    Balllykinlar      Downpatrick      K Mc Mahon
Fri         5/8/11   7 30      Bright   v   Mitchels      Dromara      D Cotter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 28, 2011, 11:26:03 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 27, 2011, 09:56:31 PM
Quote from: real food, real people on July 27, 2011, 04:25:21 PM
Anyone know much of who is on this ASK Lecale Squad then?

Ardtole/No.1 would be able to inform you but info on this team is very scarce at the moment.

From my knowledge of the teams involved in it, Kilclief will probably make up the bulk of the starting XV. Ciaran Sloan is a very talented midfielder/forward and extremely accurate from set peices while Ricky Kerr will definitely cause the Longstone defence problems as he is likely to start in the forward line. Other talented Kilclief players would be Aidan McCann, Donnan Ritchie and Ryan Kerr who would all be defensive options. Down hurler Fintan Conway would also be a strong option at midfield.

From Ardglass Liam Mullan and Michael Magee would be their main men. Mullan is one of the best players in Division 3 and he will be a threat in the forward line aswell as from 45's and frees. Neil Taggart is probably staking a place in the starting lineup too. He's a tricky forward.

Saul's best prospects would be Adam King and Nathan Keenan. King is an ideal centre half back and Keenan is a good bustling attacker. Three 2011 Down Minors in the form of the Arnold twins and Rory Mullen may also be likely for inclusion.

Overall, a combination of these three teams have plenty of attacking talent but the Stone with Ambrose, Mark Poland, Ryan Kelly and the Dorans in tow will have far too much firepower for any defence that ASK Lecale will muster up.

If I was going for an ASK Lecale lineup Id probably go for something like this:

1. Stephen Stratton (Saul)

2. Deaglan Arnold (Saul)
3. Donnan Ritchie (Kilclief)
4. Rory Mullen (Saul)

5. Aidan McCann (Kilclief)
6. Adam King (Saul)
7. Ryan Kerr (Kilclief)

8. Ciaran Sloan (Kilclief)
9. Fintan Conway (Kilclief)

10. Owen Curran (Kilclief)
11. Liam Mullan (Ardglass)
12. Neil Teggart (Ardglass)

13. Ricky Kerr (Kilclief)
14. Michael Magee (Ardglass)
15. Nathan Keenan (Saul)

I would imagine you will see phillip tranyor(if fit), stephen deegan and conor hynds in that line up also .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 29, 2011, 09:04:59 AM
Who is managing the ASK team?  Can't be an easy task with three clubs to be kept happy.  How have they approached training?  I'm sure the three clubs will have an eye on preparation for their own championships and will have wanted their players training with them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turkey+ham on July 29, 2011, 11:28:09 AM
Think it's Kevin Blaney managing them. Should be interesting to see how this goes. I think it should be more widespread and hopefully the county can gain a few extra players from it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on July 29, 2011, 12:59:08 PM
Quote from: turkey+ham on July 29, 2011, 11:28:09 AM
Think it's Kevin Blaney managing them. Should be interesting to see how this goes. I think it should be more widespread and hopefully the county can gain a few extra players from it.

Couldnt see the county gaining anything out of this. The best of these guys is probably micky mc gee and it was clear he obviously wasnt good enough for senior level. Its ok at U21 and minor level standing out but stepping up to senior county football is a different ball game. I fully believe and Iv said before the stone will win this by double figures minimum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 29, 2011, 01:17:25 PM
I really hope Im wrong but think this could be a bit of a farce tomorrow night.  Is it fair that boys that have been training together for a month or so are supposed to compete against so called better players who have been together for years.

It smells a bit of an exhibition match to me, a day out in the senior championship for some with the managers of the individual clubs involved just wanting to get the match out of the way so they can concentrate on their own championship.  There will be some craic if 2 or 3 of the main players on the Kilclief or ardglass team get injured during this.

I understand what the county board are trying to do and i commend them for their efforts but i just dont see it working imo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 29, 2011, 01:27:48 PM
How can you say Mick Magee obviously isn't up to county standard. Tell me what league or championship games you saw him struggle in. He was in the panel for the best part of two seasons and was cut before the championship both years, he travelled with the team in league games in Mayo etc but never featured once. He played in the McKenna cup a few times and nearly always scored and never looked out of place.
If he was from Burren or Clonduff he would have got a lot more game time. Jason Brown was drafted in from nowhere last year in Omagh, you had McArdle this year. What is the point having a panel of players if there is no intention of them ever featuring. Ardglass were struggling badly for players at the start of this season, yet Mick missed some of these games because he was starred. McCartan never had any intention of using him but kept stringing him along causing him to miss club games as well. McAreavey seems to be in the same boat as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on July 29, 2011, 02:32:36 PM
Quote from: ardtole on July 29, 2011, 01:27:48 PM
How can you say Mick Magee obviously isn't up to county standard. Tell me what league or championship games you saw him struggle in. He was in the panel for the best part of two seasons and was cut before the championship both years, he travelled with the team in league games in Mayo etc but never featured once. He played in the McKenna cup a few times and nearly always scored and never looked out of place.
If he was from Burren or Clonduff he would have got a lot more game time. Jason Brown was drafted in from nowhere last year in Omagh, you had McArdle this year. What is the point having a panel of players if there is no intention of them ever featuring. Ardglass were struggling badly for players at the start of this season, yet Mick missed some of these games because he was starred. McCartan never had any intention of using him but kept stringing him along causing him to miss club games as well. McAreavey seems to be in the same boat as well.
Have to agree with you Ardtole. Magee is a class act who has been poorly treated. There is no doubting his ability and quality and definitely well worth his place on the county panel and by that I mean not just making up training numbers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on July 29, 2011, 03:03:48 PM
Quote from: ardtole on July 29, 2011, 01:27:48 PM
How can you say Mick Magee obviously isn't up to county standard. Tell me what league or championship games you saw him struggle in. He was in the panel for the best part of two seasons and was cut before the championship both years, he travelled with the team in league games in Mayo etc but never featured once. He played in the McKenna cup a few times and nearly always scored and never looked out of place.
If he was from Burren or Clonduff he would have got a lot more game time. Jason Brown was drafted in from nowhere last year in Omagh, you had McArdle this year. What is the point having a panel of players if there is no intention of them ever featuring. Ardglass were struggling badly for players at the start of this season, yet Mick missed some of these games because he was starred. McCartan never had any intention of using him but kept stringing him along causing him to miss club games as well. McAreavey seems to be in the same boat as well.

Ardtole I think you v picked me up wrong, I am not individually saying Mick isnt good enough, I m simply looking at the amount of game time he got and therefore concluding that James and co obviously dont think he s up to that level!! You obviously know him better, out of interest could he be moulded into a tough tackling defender??? Curious? He has all the athletic attributes anyway !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 29, 2011, 03:10:34 PM
There's a brave few boys that were strung along without ever really playing, Anderson being one. A few others were justed used for training match purpses too, badly treated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 29, 2011, 04:00:12 PM
I think there will be slight concern in longstone ranks, perhaps being wary of the unknown. Kilclief have been a division side for over the last decade, Saul have also been there in the middle of the decade and Ardglass always produce excellent natural footballers. Throw that together into a one off game and well you never know.. Though the fact longstone are playing together week in week out at an intensity and level where decision making under pressure is key will ultimately be the difference between the two sides.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 29, 2011, 09:18:54 PM
If Toals are offering decent odds on Lecale tomorrow Im going to stick a few quid on them. I dont think they will get a tanking like some of the other posters on here think and it will be a tight enough affair. I know longstone have 4 county panelists and an ex county man while lecale have none. But players like Rosie Sloan, Ricky Kerr, Liam Mullan, Mick Magee, Stevie Deegans, Liam Woods, Adam King are no mugs and they will definitley be as physical as any sfc team. Ambrose and Mark Poland are obvious dangermen and I dont know who is earmarked to pick them up, but if the game is tight in the 2nd half Longstone will feel the pressure a lot more than lecale, they are on their 3rd manager already this year, while Kilclief and Saul are comfortably top of their divisions and Ardglass have also run into a bit of form lately with a very young squad. I dont know what the starting team is tomorrow but I would be surprised if it was similar to Downfanatics selection. I am looking forward to the game tomorrow, Newcastle is a good venue and not bad for a few pints after either, I wonder will there be many neutrals at the game tomorrow?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 29, 2011, 09:40:08 PM
We drew with Glasdrumman tonight at the Quarter Road. Big result for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 29, 2011, 09:43:27 PM
Glenn Beat Carryduff 2-16 to 0-15 down in Carryduff.. Big win for Glenn who've now done the double over Carryduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 29, 2011, 10:09:19 PM
I wouldnt have fancied Glenn to win tonight but im very suprised to hear Dundrum got a point in Glassdrumman. Glasdrumman is a very hard place to get a point out off, they are a strange team Dundrum the fluctuations in their results from week to week are massive, they got a couple off real hammerings before the break but to get a point up there tonight is an impressive result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 29, 2011, 10:11:26 PM
ACFL Division 1

Kilcoo 1-15 Mayobridge 1-11

Good result for Kilcoo tonight against a Bridge team that where far from their best. The win leaves us 7 points ahead at the top with 6 games remaining, another couple of wins will guarantee us of top spot and an automatic league final place.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 29, 2011, 10:14:13 PM
Jackyl and Hyde wouldn't be in it. Carryduff in the championship next week who have hammered us twice this year, we will give it a try anyway. Ardtole few going up from our club anyway, to be honest I am fascinated by it on a few levels and I look forward to the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 29, 2011, 10:20:28 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 29, 2011, 10:11:26 PM
ACFL Division 1

Kilcoo 1-15 Mayobridge 1-11

Good result for Kilcoo tonight against a Bridge team that where far from their best. The win leaves us 7 points ahead at the top with 6 games remaining, another couple of wins will guarantee us of top spot and an automatic league final place.

Are the Bridge not the team they were?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 29, 2011, 10:28:40 PM
I think that maybe a bit unfair to Kilcoo. I honestly think Kilcoo over the next decade will be the dominant force in club football in down. Again due to club circumstances my knowledge of division 1 football wouldn't be that strong. However, looking in from
a distance and seeing the conveyor belt they have at their disposal, quite frankly is scary. Especially now they have that first championship monkey off their back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 29, 2011, 10:30:23 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 29, 2011, 10:20:28 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 29, 2011, 10:11:26 PM
ACFL Division 1

Kilcoo 1-15 Mayobridge 1-11

Good result for Kilcoo tonight against a Bridge team that where far from their best. The win leaves us 7 points ahead at the top with 6 games remaining, another couple of wins will guarantee us of top spot and an automatic league final place.

Are the Bridge not the team they were?

Not as potent as they where a few years ago, but are very capable and if they peak and get momentem going they would be hard to stop. Benny is a fanatastic club player and he is the key, we held him rightly tonight and it went a long way to our victory. The Grants are obvious losses in their defence, an area where they struggled in tonight against our fast moving attack brilliantly led by Conor Laverty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 29, 2011, 11:09:38 PM
Good crack in Rostrevor tonight :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 29, 2011, 11:16:23 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 29, 2011, 11:09:38 PM
Good crack in Rostrevor tonight :o

Do Tell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 30, 2011, 12:36:33 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 29, 2011, 11:09:38 PM
Good crack in Rostrevor tonight :o

You are right. A certain county star lucky to be able to walk away from that game without an assault charge never mind a red card. A lot of the fighting unnecessary from both teams who reacted to eachother. But saw a few things that were utterly disgusting. As for the game itself it was always going to boil over at some point with a few heavy blows going in early on. Think we were the better team, but will be some Craic if teams come across eachother in cship again!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on July 30, 2011, 12:57:45 AM
supersub, have rostrevor a young ref? Caolan Mooneys brother?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 30, 2011, 01:05:15 AM
Yeah Ciaran Mooney (jnr) is a referee in the county. Had a bad knee condition and has stopped playing football and taken up the whistle! Why?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on July 30, 2011, 01:42:46 AM
Thought our game was a foregone conclusion tonight so i ventured to burren to see them topple the ford... my god burren are rubbish... the started with a bang and scored a goal through mc kernan but then took the foot off the gas... i was standing at half time saying to others the real burren will surely come out in the second half... but they were worse if anything... the ford completley dominated the game and Kalum King caused all sorts of problems in full forward.  Great to see Joe Ireland playing good football again - a player who surely deserves a place on the county team... If the ford maintain this level of football - they will take some stopping in the championship... As for us - well Liatroim have been knocking the door and suppose we were due a defeat caus we have been winning games we didnt deserve to...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on July 30, 2011, 06:16:20 AM
The league tables seem to indicate some sort of East Down renaissance this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 30, 2011, 12:47:48 PM
I would have liked to see that Lecale/Stone game myself, but due to work commitments I cannot attend, would be interesting, and although I was iffy at the start, the more I think about it, Lecale might not get the hammering people predict. Looking forward to hearing a report on it.

Watched that Kilcoo/Bridge game last night myself, thought it would have been a cracker. It was a good enough game alright with some lovely moves put together by both teams, although Kilcoo just did it consistantly while the Bridge played for 5mins then stopped for 20. Saval men watching that wont really have much to fear if the Bridge play like that. Laverty again the talking point for the magpies, for his performance, but equally for his antics in this game. A number of Bridge players getting frustrated with Lavertys diving. The Penalty was laughable, Garvey wasnt too impressed at all. One would wonder when referees are going to open their eyes to this.
Title: ASK Lecale
Post by: No1 on July 30, 2011, 01:11:56 PM
The only thing the county will get out of this bastardisation of a team is the money each club had to pay to take part in the farce. 

Only 4 or 5 Kilclief men (not necessarily our best players) attended any "training" and lads that couldn't even get on for their own club teams were showing up.  The majority of the starting team tonight will be from Saul which will suit the man whose brainchild the whole thing was.  It could well be a massacre.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 30, 2011, 05:40:59 PM
Half time score

ASK Lecale 0-5 Longstone 1-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 30, 2011, 06:32:08 PM
Final Score

ASK Lecale 0-13 Longstone 1-15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 30, 2011, 06:49:38 PM
Final score was: ASK Lecale 0-13 Longstone 1-15

ASK missed a penalty in injury time. Muted enough game. Stone were always in control. Mullan, Kerr, King and Magee very good for ASK. Mark Poland and Conor Poland very good for the Stone.

If ASK had of had the best players from all three clubs out then the story could have been very different.

Although county website has score ASK 0-12 Longstone 1-16.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 30, 2011, 08:14:22 PM
Prediction League 2011

SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 30, 2011, 08:46:56 PM
Prediction League 2011

SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduffv Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 30, 2011, 08:51:30 PM
Prediction League 2011

SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduffv Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on July 30, 2011, 09:24:42 PM
SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone
JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara vAughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on July 30, 2011, 09:34:49 PM
SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on July 30, 2011, 09:56:12 PM
SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on July 30, 2011, 10:49:24 PM
SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on July 30, 2011, 11:13:01 PM
SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone
JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinlar

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on July 31, 2011, 12:59:39 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 30, 2011, 01:05:15 AM
Yeah Ciaran Mooney (jnr) is a referee in the county. Had a bad knee condition and has stopped playing football and taken up the whistle! Why?

ive calmed down abit since last nyt, and im not one for comin on and givin off about referees. its great to see a young lad givin it a lash, but last night he simply had an aweful game from start to finish. a loughinisland player had a shot that went about 3 feet wide. the loughinisland umpire (under that post) gave it wide, as did the drumgath umpire, but he gave a point. When our captain queried the decision, he was told by the ref that he gave the point before the umpires gave it wide so he stood by his decision!

at the end of the half, he blew a free for a foul on a loughinisland player and ran over, in the mean time loughinisland had played on, the drumgath players had all stopped, but he then decided to let the game continue!

il not even go into the rugby tackle by magic on jackie lynch which resulted in nothin, or the rugby tackle on our forward 6 yars out by the keeper as he was rounded....resulting in a free out!

ive read posts on here in the past, but by the end of the game it was getting comical, even the loughinisland management acknowledged the decisions after the game.

i was suprised to see such a young ref in a div 2 game. at a guess, I would say this lad was no more than 22/23. he just seemed to get a bit overwhelmed by the whole thing.

rant over
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 31, 2011, 01:19:55 AM
Quote from: EagleLord on July 30, 2011, 12:47:48 PM
I would have liked to see that Lecale/Stone game myself, but due to work commitments I cannot attend, would be interesting, and although I was iffy at the start, the more I think about it, Lecale might not get the hammering people predict. Looking forward to hearing a report on it.

Watched that Kilcoo/Bridge game last night myself, thought it would have been a cracker. It was a good enough game alright with some lovely moves put together by both teams, although Kilcoo just did it consistantly while the Bridge played for 5mins then stopped for 20. Saval men watching that wont really have much to fear if the Bridge play like that. Laverty again the talking point for the magpies, for his performance, but equally for his antics in this game. A number of Bridge players getting frustrated with Lavertys diving. The Penalty was laughable, Garvey wasnt too impressed at all. One would wonder when referees are going to open their eyes to this.

Are the Bridge not allowed penalties against them. They seem to always be crying about something. I heard they were outclassed and  after seeing Saval beat Clonduff on Thursday , I will be very surprised if this AGE-D team will beat the Shinn men. We were terrible but we will raise our game and hopefully we will challenge Kilcoo later in the year.

The Ford and Kilcoo are big favorites though!!! It will be an interesting week.   Ar Aghaidh le Chéile
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 31, 2011, 01:42:04 AM
Quote from: knockitdown on July 31, 2011, 12:59:39 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 30, 2011, 01:05:15 AM
Yeah Ciaran Mooney (jnr) is a referee in the county. Had a bad knee condition and has stopped playing football and taken up the whistle! Why?

ive calmed down abit since last nyt, and im not one for comin on and givin off about referees. its great to see a young lad givin it a lash, but last night he simply had an aweful game from start to finish. a loughinisland player had a shot that went about 3 feet wide. the loughinisland umpire (under that post) gave it wide, as did the drumgath umpire, but he gave a point. When our captain queried the decision, he was told by the ref that he gave the point before the umpires gave it wide so he stood by his decision!

at the end of the half, he blew a free for a foul on a loughinisland player and ran over, in the mean time loughinisland had played on, the drumgath players had all stopped, but he then decided to let the game continue!

il not even go into the rugby tackle by magic on jackie lynch which resulted in nothin, or the rugby tackle on our forward 6 yars out by the keeper as he was rounded....resulting in a free out!

ive read posts on here in the past, but by the end of the game it was getting comical, even the loughinisland management acknowledged the decisions after the game.

i was suprised to see such a young ref in a div 2 game. at a guess, I would say this lad was no more than 22/23. he just seemed to get a bit overwhelmed by the whole thing.

rant over

Fair enough it sounds bad from what you say, maybe he had a bad night. Anytime I have seen him referee whether it under age or otherwise e seems to get things spot on. Must have had a poor game. I agree with the questioning of referees if they are consistently bad as I pointed out earlier in season. Why should they get away with it when players are openly criticised on here and elsewhere. However I would say Ciaran is a very goof referee and suggest that maybe the occasion did get to him in this case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on July 31, 2011, 07:40:24 AM
Quote from: downjim on July 31, 2011, 01:19:55 AM
Quote from: EagleLord on July 30, 2011, 12:47:48 PM
I would have liked to see that Lecale/Stone game myself, but due to work commitments I cannot attend, would be interesting, and although I was iffy at the start, the more I think about it, Lecale might not get the hammering people predict. Looking forward to hearing a report on it.

Watched that Kilcoo/Bridge game last night myself, thought it would have been a cracker. It was a good enough game alright with some lovely moves put together by both teams, although Kilcoo just did it consistantly while the Bridge played for 5mins then stopped for 20. Saval men watching that wont really have much to fear if the Bridge play like that. Laverty again the talking point for the magpies, for his performance, but equally for his antics in this game. A number of Bridge players getting frustrated with Lavertys diving. The Penalty was laughable, Garvey wasnt too impressed at all. One would wonder when referees are going to open their eyes to this.

Are the Bridge not allowed penalties against them. They seem to always be crying about something. I heard they were outclassed and  after seeing Saval beat Clonduff on Thursday , I will be very surprised if this AGE-D team will beat the Shinn men. We were terrible but we will raise our game and hopefully we will challenge Kilcoo later in the year.

The Ford and Kilcoo are big favorites though!!! It will be an interesting week.   Ar Aghaidh le Chéile
Bryansford took an over-physical Burren apart on Friday night and seem to have the power to take the championship this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on July 31, 2011, 10:47:49 AM
Prediction League 2011

SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on July 31, 2011, 11:08:56 AM
SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mournerambler on July 31, 2011, 11:13:31 AM
Prediction League 2011

SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turkey+ham on July 31, 2011, 11:24:18 AM
Prediction League 2011

SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on July 31, 2011, 11:25:54 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 31, 2011, 01:42:04 AM
Quote from: knockitdown on July 31, 2011, 12:59:39 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 30, 2011, 01:05:15 AM
Yeah Ciaran Mooney (jnr) is a referee in the county. Had a bad knee condition and has stopped playing football and taken up the whistle! Why?

ive calmed down abit since last nyt, and im not one for comin on and givin off about referees. its great to see a young lad givin it a lash, but last night he simply had an aweful game from start to finish. a loughinisland player had a shot that went about 3 feet wide. the loughinisland umpire (under that post) gave it wide, as did the drumgath umpire, but he gave a point. When our captain queried the decision, he was told by the ref that he gave the point before the umpires gave it wide so he stood by his decision!

at the end of the half, he blew a free for a foul on a loughinisland player and ran over, in the mean time loughinisland had played on, the drumgath players had all stopped, but he then decided to let the game continue!

il not even go into the rugby tackle by magic on jackie lynch which resulted in nothin, or the rugby tackle on our forward 6 yars out by the keeper as he was rounded....resulting in a free out!

ive read posts on here in the past, but by the end of the game it was getting comical, even the loughinisland management acknowledged the decisions after the game.

i was suprised to see such a young ref in a div 2 game. at a guess, I would say this lad was no more than 22/23. he just seemed to get a bit overwhelmed by the whole thing.

rant over

Fair enough it sounds bad from what you say, maybe he had a bad night. Anytime I have seen him referee whether it under age or otherwise e seems to get things spot on. Must have had a poor game. I agree with the questioning of referees if they are consistently bad as I pointed out earlier in season. Why should they get away with it when players are openly criticised on here and elsewhere. However I would say Ciaran is a very goof referee and suggest that maybe the occasion did get to him in this case.

Have to agree he had a poor game, and although he appeared to favour us, gave some questionable decisions against both teams. He was doing fine until the wide he gave as a point and then appeared to lose control after that. He got a fair amount of abuse during the match too which is terrible to see. Fair play to him though, it's good to see young people becoming referees.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on July 31, 2011, 11:31:38 AM
Senior Championship               
       
                             
Warrenpoint   v   Ballyholland      
Loughinisland    v   Tullylish         
Rostrevor    v   Downpatrick         
Clonduff    v Castlewellan         
Saval    v    Mayobridge         
Longstone  v  Burren      
An Riocht    v  Bryansford 
Liatroim   v   Kilcoo           
                         
               Intermediate Championship               
                             
Carryduff   v   Dundrum        
Kilclief   v  Shamrocks       
Drumaness   v   Atticall         
Drumgath     v   Clann na Banna       
St Johns   v   Glasdrumman         
Darragh Cross   v   Annaclone       
Glenn   v    St John Bosco     
Ballymartin    v   Ardglass     
                             
                             
               Junior Championship         
                             
Dromara  v  Aughlisnafinn       
Saul     v    Balllykinlar       
Bright   v  Mitchels        
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 31, 2011, 11:58:47 AM
i would be grateful if the posters post their selelction in this order as below, much easier for me to work with. Thank you.
Will accept An Cloch Scoilte's selection

Prediction League 2011


SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 31, 2011, 12:28:24 PM
SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 31, 2011, 12:42:05 PM
Previous SFC meetings
2003 First Round,    Mayobridge 4.14 Saval 2.5
2006 First Round,    Bryansford 1.12 An Riocht 0.7
2007 First Round,   Kilcoo 0.10 Liatriom 1.7
2007 First Round Replay, Kilcoo 1.11 Liatriom 1.5
2007 Semi-final, Burren 0.8 Longstone 1.9
2008   Semi-final, Mayobridge 2.14 Saval 0.7

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 31, 2011, 12:46:56 PM
[Prediction League 2011

SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht vBryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduffv Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
[/quote]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on July 31, 2011, 12:50:52 PM
SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on July 31, 2011, 01:57:18 PM
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht vBryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland
IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduffv Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone
JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on July 31, 2011, 03:34:25 PM
Prediction League 2011


SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 31, 2011, 03:56:50 PM
Quote from: umpire on July 30, 2011, 08:14:22 PM
Prediction League 2011

SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman[/b
]Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on July 31, 2011, 05:50:00 PM
Prediction League 2011


SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on July 31, 2011, 06:05:20 PM
Prediction League 2011

SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on July 31, 2011, 07:40:28 PM
Not you again Clown jim, your talking about the bridge team being aged? Actually the average age of the bridge team that started on Fri night was 24! So you should maybe get your facts right before talking shite again.

Think longstone will give Burren their fill of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 31, 2011, 08:28:27 PM
SFC
Rostrevorv Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Purple Lady on July 31, 2011, 08:48:41 PM
SFC
Rostrevorv Downpatrick
Liatriom v KilcooAn Riocht v BryansfordLoughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v MayobridgeLongstone v BurrenWarrenpoint v Ballyholland
IFC
Drumgath v Clan na BannaSt Johns v GlasdrummanBallymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v ShamrocksCarryduff v DundrumGlenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone
JFC
Bright v MitchelsDromara v AughlisnafinnSaul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on July 31, 2011, 09:03:19 PM

SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland
IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone
JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 31, 2011, 09:19:30 PM
is anyone else dissapointed tonight after watching how mayo put Cork to the sword. A good defensive structure where players knowing where they should be and using a bit of brawn. Compare that to what Down put up to them and it is sickening to think Down couldnt even do the simple things in defence.
Im delighted Cork are out but left thinking of what might have been if we had been anywhere near as organised as last year. I know we had a few injuries but it doesnt excuse that defensive joke that was last week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 31, 2011, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: umpire on July 31, 2011, 11:58:47 AM
i would be grateful if the posters post their selelction in this order as below, much easier for me to work with. Thank you.
Will accept An Cloch Scoilte's selection

Prediction League 2011


SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v KilcooAn Riocht v BryansfordLoughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v CastlewellanSaval v MayobridgeLongstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland
IFC
Drumgath v Clan na BannaSt Johns v GlasdrummanBallymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v AtticalKilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone
JFC
Bright v MitchelsDromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 31, 2011, 09:25:30 PM
Umpire, no idea why my prediction listing turned out like that, let me know if u cant make out any of the individual picks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 31, 2011, 09:30:43 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 31, 2011, 09:19:30 PM
is anyone else dissapointed tonight after watching how mayo put Cork to the sword. A good defensive structure where players knowing where they should be and using a bit of brawn. Compare that to what Down put up to them and it is sickening to think Down couldnt even do the simple things in defence.
Im delighted Cork are out but left thinking of what might have been if we had been anywhere near as organised as last year. I know we had a few injuries but it doesnt excuse that defensive joke that was last week.

Think Cork were caught on the hop the day much like Kerry were with us last year.  9 times out of 10 they would beat Mayo out the door imo.  Think it may also have been the case that they had more respect for Down than Mayo and therefore took Mayo more lightly than us.

I hope James stays on as defeat to Cork in Croke park, all be it a bad one is still along way from defeats in Brewster Park and Aughrim.  Maybe freshen up the backroom team and possibly a new coach could be options.  Needs to freshen up the squad a bit too as a few boys maybe taken their place on the panel for granted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 31, 2011, 09:54:12 PM
Agree with WGM on the disappointment of how easy it was for Mayo . However, we clearly have defenders who are not strong enough at the highest level while some key panel members have carried injuries and others have become complacent and don't appreciate the honour of being selected for the Down panel even if they don't make the starting 15.The absence of Ambrose was a huge loss- it looks unlikely that he will ever get the recognition he deserves but I still watch the DVDs of his performances against Sligo and Kerry to remind me of how good he is at his peak.
It was joy to see him, Benny and Marty playing together as with respect to the other lads, they made the whole thing tick and it doesn't look like that will happen again.

I think Cork clearly saw our challenge as the most formidable before getting another go at Kerry but the loss of Goulding and others clearly weakened them. Brolly is essentially right that they are good but not great although he also said, to over-compensate for the abuse he took from the Rebels, that Cork would wipe the floor with Mayo .

I think James should stay on and work out the best way forward in the post-Marty era. This should involve a lot of soul-searching on ;
Back-room personnel
Team selections
Team substitutions
Tactics.

We have another season in Division 1 with some tasty home fixtures where we have excelled under James.What we don't have is too many big strong mobile players coming through so I'm not that confident about next season.I look forward to seeing as many Championship games as possible as about the only benefit of an exit before August is that players won't hold back and the championship should benefit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 31, 2011, 10:37:04 PM
whitegoodman,
Your selection is ok and will be entered
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on July 31, 2011, 11:18:06 PM
Interesting to see that one of the smallest men(moran) on the field caused Cork the most problems running at them,then at full-forward!
How Down didnt try the same tactics is beyond belief(albeit too late i know  :o )

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 31, 2011, 11:19:05 PM
Sure Down did try that, they had Laverty on the feild ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 31, 2011, 11:23:33 PM
SFC
ROSTREVOR v Downpatrick
Liatriom v KILCOO
An Riocht v BRYANSFORD
LOUGHINISLAND v Tullylish
CLONDUFFf v Castlewellan
Saval v MAYOBRIDGE
Longstone v BURREN
Warrenpoint v BALLYHOLLAND




IFC
Drumgath v CLAN NA BANNA
St Johns v GLASDRUMMAN
BALLYMARTIN v Ardglass
DRUMANESS v Attical
Kilclief v SHAMROCKS
Carryduff v DUNDRUM
GLENN v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v ANNACLONE

JFC
Bright v MITCHELS
DROMARA v Aughlisnafinn
SAUL v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on July 31, 2011, 11:47:34 PM
sfc
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland


ifc
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone
jfc
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on August 01, 2011, 04:02:20 AM
SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 01, 2011, 08:59:42 AM
SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 01, 2011, 09:20:27 AM
SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on August 01, 2011, 09:44:45 AM
Rostrevor
Kilcoo
Bryansford
Loughinsland
Clonduff
Mayobridge
Burren
Ballyholland

IFC
Clan na Bana
Glassdrummon
Ballymartin
Attical
Kilclief
Carryduff
Glen
Darragh Cross

JFC
Mitchells
Dromara
Saul
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 01, 2011, 10:44:35 AM
SFC
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland

IFC
Drumgath v Clan na Banna
St Johns v Glasdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone

JFC
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saul v Ballykinler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fingerbob on August 01, 2011, 10:55:54 AM
sfc
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Liatriom v Kilcoo
An Riocht v Bryansford
Loughinisland v Tullylish
Clonduff v Castlewellan
Saval v Mayobridge
Longstone v Burren
Warrenpoint v Ballyholland


ifc
Drumgath v Clann na Banna
St johns v Glassdrumman
Ballymartin v Ardglass
Drumaness v Attical
Kilclief v Shamrocks
Carryduff v Dundrum
Glenn v St John Bosco
Darragh Cross v Annaclone
jfc
Bright v Mitchels
Dromara v Aughlisnafinn
Saulv Ballykinle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on August 01, 2011, 10:56:46 AM
Seperate thread in the Down section for the predictions? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 01, 2011, 11:06:27 AM
Good idea EagleLord.  I have created the thread.  Keep this thread for discussion. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 01, 2011, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 01, 2011, 11:06:27 AM
Good idea EagleLord.  I have created the thread.  Keep this thread for discussion.

Posters can select their predictions and post on the other thread created by amallon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 01, 2011, 01:47:13 PM
I can't see there being too many shocks in the Championship 1st round, and by the looks of it, nor can many others.

Clonduff vs Castlewellan looks to be the greatest area of indecision among competition entries so far, while Kilclief vs Shamrocks in the IFC seems to be the other coin toss.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 01, 2011, 05:02:23 PM
Kilcoo the team to beat I reckon.  Bryansford will probably be their biggest threat and the rest are a long way behind at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 01, 2011, 05:48:57 PM
Kilcoo are my tip for the SFC. Saul would have to be highly fancied for the JFC. IFC is less clear. Annaclone, Ballymartin and Shamrocks will all fancy their chances. Kilclief are an outside bet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 01, 2011, 07:46:41 PM
The way Burren are playing the stone have every chance of causing an upset.  The same would apply to Castlewellan imo.  There is usually an upset somewhere along the way and id say one of these 2 or both could be it.

Agree that it is kilcoo's to lose with Bryansford looking like the only team at the min capable of beating them.  Dont see bridge or burren being there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on August 01, 2011, 11:01:54 PM
all im going to say is i can see two predictions that everyone has made that will be threatened big time one of which is in the snr and one of which is int.   I hope im right
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 02, 2011, 12:15:41 AM
Ardtole

You need to reenter your selections again in Prediction League.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 02, 2011, 01:51:48 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on August 01, 2011, 11:01:54 PM
all im going to say is i can see two predictions that everyone has made that will be threatened big time one of which is in the snr and one of which is int.   I hope im right

put them up then...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 02, 2011, 07:42:26 PM
I see the East and South Down boards have fixed a full round of reserve league fixtures for this Sunday evening. Surely they could have realised this is championship weekend and put them back to some night during the week. The ACPRL fixtures wont be played on sunday which makes more sence to me. Many gaels will not only watch their own clubs in action but go to other championship ties. The Mayobridge v Saval and Burren V Longstone double header on sunday evening will be facinating ties for the neutral, Surely having divisional reserve fixtures at the same time will effect the possibility of this for many to attend and i suppose lessen the attendance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 02, 2011, 07:57:24 PM
I would agree with Mid Down Gael. Not only will there be players wanting to watch the double header in newry, but most of the teams in the South Down league include players that also play for their Senior Teams and will be needed in the chamoionship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 02, 2011, 09:12:02 PM
Dont panic lads...switched now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 03, 2011, 09:12:27 PM
Result from Senior championship Round 1

Rostrevor 1-11 Downpatrick 0-11

The hoops put up a great challange and where deprived a draw at the death with a goal bound effort being deflected for a 45.
Caolan Mooney kicked 0-3 for the reds while Sean Parr bagged 1-2.
John Connolly was outstanding for Downpatrick scoring 0-8 while Peter Turley and Kevin Gracey dominated midfield.
The reds will be relieved to come away with the victory in a game where the man in the middle was the most talked about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 03, 2011, 09:33:53 PM
MDG, other than mooney did anyone stand out as possible county standard?

Has Parr improved enough to make an impact at county level?
Would Pete Turley be worth another look at FB or even CHB? Thought he did rightly under Ross and was always underrated.  The sort of tight no nonsense defender we could do with imo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on August 03, 2011, 09:53:01 PM
WGM, Mooney was the class act on show although the reds did not use him properly IMO- if this is his last game for Rostrevor, I don't see them going much further. Sean Parr showed potential and Turley and Gracey were reasonable but not outstanding .Eugene O'Hare gave a fussy performance as ref and the umpires weren't a lot of help !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 03, 2011, 10:37:12 PM
This is a serious concern heading into the weekend and I feel that we will be unfortunately talking about it too often by next tuesday and that is the standard of officiating across the county.. I would seriously struggle to name a top 3. Possibly B Rice, K Trainor (Who has proved to be excellent) and maybe G Corrigan. Anyone at tonights game would probably agree.. Terrible!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on August 04, 2011, 01:11:38 AM
well i think terrible is a little too harsh in fairness.. i was standing listening to both sets of supporters shouting and roaring at the referee for every single thing he blew for... Their men were pulling, dragging, clamping their arms around their opponents, tackling from behind, persistent fouling in the tackle, persistent fouling off the ball when it was being played in... What is the referee supposed to do here... If he lets the advantage rule kick in - he is criticised if the play breaks down, if he dont let it kick in - he is criticised.  If he allows the pulling, and dragging thing to continue both on and off the ball - he gets criticised.  Every single aspect listed above is breaking the rules.  You may throw - ah but jaysus let common sense prevail - no - its breaking the rules and thats it.  If you continue to break them you get booked or sent off.  The players in this county are well aware of what the rules are and while clubs are partial to releasing some of their hard earned money to various managers and trainers - they would do well to actually coach the tackle and explain what you are allowed to do and not allowed to do in a game.  Training sessions usually end with a game - this is where the corrections should be made.  Stop the game if there is a genuine foul and explain why.  Maybe then people would get off referees backs and actually watch the game.  And for all the supporters of Mooney - he scored one hell of a point in the first half claiming the ball in front of the stand and hitting a 1 - 2 and putting it over the bar and his point in the second half was decent - but he should not have been on the pitch at this stage imo.  He persistently fouled in the first half and finally got booked - should have got his scond yellow card - but the referee did rostrevor a huge favour by not depleting them... but did the referee get any plaudits - na - only criticism....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 04, 2011, 09:14:37 AM
Pauly2, the powers that be in GAA headquarters need to actually define the 'tackle' properly before anyone can coach it to players effectively. Also the referees personal interpretation of the rules and tackle in particular vary from game to game, so all in all not an easy area to nail down properly.
For what its worth ive seen county players get way too much protection in club matches. I know sometimes they get targeted for special attention but there is a definite imbalance that exists.
Again, it might be harsh, but ye could count on yer hand the amount of decent refs in the county on one hand (maybe 3 fingers would do). 95% of them are absolutely terrible, unfit, dont know the rules and downright biased.
Anyone foresee any shocks or possible scares in the weekends ties ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on August 04, 2011, 09:23:58 AM

Quote from: pauly2 on August 04, 2011, 01:11:38 AM
well i think terrible is a little too harsh in fairness.. i was standing listening to both sets of supporters shouting and roaring at the referee for every single thing he blew for... Their men were pulling, dragging, clamping their arms around their opponents, tackling from behind, persistent fouling in the tackle, persistent fouling off the ball when it was being played in... What is the referee supposed to do here... If he lets the advantage rule kick in - he is criticised if the play breaks down, if he dont let it kick in - he is criticised.  If he allows the pulling, and dragging thing to continue both on and off the ball - he gets criticised.  Every single aspect listed above is breaking the rules.  You may throw - ah but jaysus let common sense prevail - no - its breaking the rules and thats it.  If you continue to break them you get booked or sent off.  The players in this county are well aware of what the rules are and while clubs are partial to releasing some of their hard earned money to various managers and trainers - they would do well to actually coach the tackle and explain what you are allowed to do and not allowed to do in a game.  Training sessions usually end with a game - this is where the corrections should be made.  Stop the game if there is a genuine foul and explain why.  Maybe then people would get off referees backs and actually watch the game.  And for all the supporters of Mooney - he scored one hell of a point in the first half claiming the ball in front of the stand and hitting a 1 - 2 and putting it over the bar and his point in the second half was decent - but he should not have been on the pitch at this stage imo.  He persistently fouled in the first half and finally got booked - should have got his scond yellow card - but the referee did rostrevor a huge favour by not depleting them... but did the referee get any plaudits - na - only criticism....

I totaly agree the art of tackling is gone completly out of the game.  its now al about stoppng the man with the ball at all costs as far away from the goals as possible.  I wasnt at the match last night but i have been at the bad end of some of this refs decision in my time and he cant explain himself what hes booking players for and alot of the time doesnt even know what till give a free for,  but again i dont blame all on the men in the middle as at least their brave enough till take the whistle and only for them there would be no game..    A middle ground needs to be found in fairness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 04, 2011, 12:36:08 PM
Pauly no harm to you but the referee spoilt that game last night and that has come from both sets and a few neutrals as well. He didn't let it flow and I have never seen so many ticks and yellow cards in a match which wasn't dirty at all! If that is the way they men in the middle have been told to go about their business in the championship this year it will be completely spoilt as a spectacle and each game will be horrible to watch, stop start stuff like last night. No common sense or consistency in decisions! Apart from All that we were lucky enough they didn't score a goal near the end!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedFred on August 04, 2011, 12:54:35 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on August 04, 2011, 01:11:38 AM
well i think terrible is a little too harsh in fairness.. i was standing listening to both sets of supporters shouting and roaring at the referee for every single thing he blew for... Their men were pulling, dragging, clamping their arms around their opponents, tackling from behind, persistent fouling in the tackle, persistent fouling off the ball when it was being played in... What is the referee supposed to do here... If he lets the advantage rule kick in - he is criticised if the play breaks down, if he dont let it kick in - he is criticised.  If he allows the pulling, and dragging thing to continue both on and off the ball - he gets criticised.  Every single aspect listed above is breaking the rules.  You may throw - ah but jaysus let common sense prevail - no - its breaking the rules and thats it.  If you continue to break them you get booked or sent off.  The players in this county are well aware of what the rules are and while clubs are partial to releasing some of their hard earned money to various managers and trainers - they would do well to actually coach the tackle and explain what you are allowed to do and not allowed to do in a game.  Training sessions usually end with a game - this is where the corrections should be made.  Stop the game if there is a genuine foul and explain why.  Maybe then people would get off referees backs and actually watch the game.  And for all the supporters of Mooney - he scored one hell of a point in the first half claiming the ball in front of the stand and hitting a 1 - 2 and putting it over the bar and his point in the second half was decent - but he should not have been on the pitch at this stage imo.  He persistently fouled in the first half and finally got booked - should have got his scond yellow card - but the referee did rostrevor a huge favour by not depleting them... but did the referee get any plaudits - na - only criticism....

i think if the ref's had a better knowledge of the rules it would be of benefit. simple things like not throwing the ball up between players when the game has been stopped for an injury, the rules on this were made very clear last year. or if they punished players for persistent small fouls. i went to a game last weekend and witnessed a corner forward fouled 7 times in the 1st half and 5 in the 2nd by the same player who eventually got a yellow with 2 minutes to go.

seemingly only 33 referees have completed both the fitness and written assesment out of over 100 referees. some have done neither this year. surely 1 assessment a year is not much to ask of people who get £30 per game.

there is little doubt some games can be hard to referee but hindering a good game by simply not knowing the rules has to stop. Better games will only help to develop players and be a better spectacle for supporters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 04, 2011, 01:09:46 PM
Have any of the local bookies prices up for the championship games this week? They didnt have any for the Longstone v Lecale game thank God.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 04, 2011, 01:23:32 PM
Refereeing isn't easy, and the rules don't help.

But my biggest bug bears are:

1. interpretations of dangerous fouls and intent,
2. systematic fouling, especially towards the end of games,
3. how people are dealt with when they react to provocation.

An example of problem with intent, would be the yellow card Danny Hughes got against Cork. Danny had placed his arms up to block off a charge, and the Cork midfielder lowered his head into Danny's hand. There was no intent in terms of aggressiveness on Hughes's part. It was technically a foul, and I've no problem with that. But a referee should have more sense about the gravity of the foul.

Earlier in the game, Kallum King stuck his knee in a Cork midfielder's back after the Cork man took a clean catch. This was a dangerous and deliberate act. If Hughes's foul was a yellow card, then this should have been a straight red. I'm not saying it was a red card - but in order of severity it was 10 times worse than what Hughes did.

The tactical fouling towards the end of games is one of the biggest blights on our game. Effectively teams close off a small lead by dragging every attack down before it gains momentum. Referees need to be wise to two things. First a deliberate foul is a deliberate foul, and it doesn't matter that the attacker was pulled down in full flight, or before getting speed up; they both prevent an advantage. But, there is no doubt in my mind that most referees judge the gravity of the offence by the speed of the action. Hence, every ball won at midfield in these cicumstances evolves into a ruck before momentum is gained, and is rewarded (at best) with a free - but should the team in front launch a breakaway attack into space, every foul is punished with a card. The second thing, is how to stop it happening. I'd recommend a simple warning to the team captain that tactical fouling has been noted, and every instance of it from then onwards would be automatically punished with a yellow card (regardless of whether the individual was involved previously). This works well in rugby.

Provocation is again easily referred back to the Cork game. Regardless of what Marty Clarke did to Noel O'Leary, anyone with any depth of sense would have to ask why one of the most gifted attackers in the game is reacting in that way. I'm sure Marty was up for the battle and was ready to protect himself, but let's be realistic on this, if a famously provocative player is lying in a heap, nine times out of ten, he has done something to end up there. If a referee can't trust his other officials to offer a full explanation of the circumstances (has it been ongoing, was there a tussle first, did O'Leary make a meal of it), then he shouldn't take punitive action on one team based on one swing of a hand. I'm not advocating violence on a football field, but the initial aggressor should never get off scot free for "being cute". It goes against what football should be about.

It would not be possible to keep a count of the number of incidents in a year that pan out like this:

a. An attacker is pulled to the ground.
b. A teammate of the defender comes in and winds the situation up.
c. The attacker gets up and does a bit of pushing.
d. There is a throw-up ball, or the free is reversed.

So the offending team get two bites of the cherry in terms of foul play, but because the fouled player stands up for himself against what is, in effect, bullying, his team loses the advantage they earned. This is always wrong. But every referee in the country calls it this way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: hayemaker on August 04, 2011, 05:55:08 PM
if anyone is trying to defend eugene ohare,your a joke!  him and his officials were absolutely awful last night. I just hope this weekend isnt ruined like last night, it could have been an awful lot different, rostrevor got out of jail, theyll be destroyed next round
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 04, 2011, 08:14:55 PM
Kilcoo up by four at the break against Liatroim. Ended up winning by 6.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 04, 2011, 09:34:48 PM
Kilcoo 1-14 Liatriom 2-5

Kilcoo won this game unconvincingly without getting out of second year. Jerome Johnston top scored with 1-7 while the brilliant Conor Laverty terrorised the Fontenoys defence with an amazing dispaly.
Again the referee was the talking point, Barry Kane disgracefully given two yellows in the first 15 minutes, for nothin challanges. Towards the end Donagh OHiggins got the same treatment for next to nothing tackles, however, players from both sides committed worse challanges and no bookings. No consistency from Kieran Trainor at all and has a long way to go to become a competent referee.
Its annoying that the referees in Down are letting the game become basically non contact.
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Post by: Oglach on August 04, 2011, 09:37:01 PM
Well, just back from a very average game and a typical derby between ourselves and near neighbours Leitrim. We'll just be glad to get through this one. Im not going to harp on too much about the ref BUT he awarded Leitrim a couple of controversial penalties while denying us a clear penalty! too many stops, and in some cases refereeing the score board. We lost a forward to 2 yellows early in the 1st half but it worked in our favour as our work rate increased. Leitrim lost one of their midfeild to a 2nd yellow in second half. Laverty was very sharp tonight and man of match IMO. Final score Kilcoo 1.14 Leitrim 2.05
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Post by: NP 76 on August 04, 2011, 09:41:30 PM
Banbridge 1 - 08  Drumgath 1 - 05 poor enough game
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Post by: whitegoodman on August 04, 2011, 09:53:14 PM
Where was Doyle playing tonight?  Was he any good?
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Post by: redandblack4ever on August 04, 2011, 10:02:56 PM
Was Declan Sheeran playing for Drumgath? I heard over the weekend he'd gotten a knee injury...
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Post by: redandblackareback on August 04, 2011, 10:03:23 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 04, 2011, 09:34:48 PM
Kilcoo 1-14 Liatriom 2-5

Kilcoo won this game unconvincingly without getting out of second year. Jerome Johnston top scored with 1-7 while the brilliant Conor Laverty terrorised the Fontenoys defence with an amazing dispaly.
Again the referee was the talking point, Barry Kane disgracefully given two yellows in the first 15 minutes, for nothin challanges. Towards the end Donagh OHiggins got the same treatment for next to nothing tackles, however, players from both sides committed worse challanges and no bookings. No consistency from Kieran Trainor at all and has a long way to go to become a competent referee.
Its annoying that the referees in Down are letting the game become basically non contact.

Second night and same old with the man in the middle!! Its threatening to ruin the weekend for the paying spectator >:(
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Post by: knockitdown on August 04, 2011, 10:21:52 PM
Quote from: redandblack4ever on August 04, 2011, 10:02:56 PM
Was Declan Sheeran playing for Drumgath? I heard over the weekend he'd gotten a knee injury...

Correct. Injured
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Post by: Leonardo on August 04, 2011, 10:53:41 PM
No sign of Sheerin tonight. Poor game but Banna should have won by ten at least. Very strong at midfield, winning some excellent high ball which gave platform for the win. thought ref was ok, but maybe tried to bring drumgath back into game; as previous poster said about looking after scoreboard. Dont think anyone will fear Banna after this game
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Post by: dundrumite on August 04, 2011, 11:28:33 PM
Handy win for Kilcoo tonight, they never really had to break sweat and even when down to 14 never ever looked under real pressure. Always a good sign when playing well below capability and still getting over the finish line.
As I always say in regard the referee, just like players making handling errors and misplacing passes referees will too make mistakes. Some of the Liatroim fans were bordering on the realms of lunacy at stuff shouting at him. Though does add to the entertainment  :)
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Post by: supersub on August 04, 2011, 11:32:43 PM
Quote from: hayemaker on August 04, 2011, 05:55:08 PM
if anyone is trying to defend eugene ohare,your a joke!  him and his officials were absolutely awful last night. I just hope this weekend isnt ruined like last night, it could have been an awful lot different, rostrevor got out of jail, theyll be destroyed next round

It could have been different if the ref let it flow we would have won by more, their defence couldn't cope with quick ball.

Winning whole match, hardly out of jail, not as if we came back from the dead. they had a shot on goal at end which was saved, not really out of jail material. Doubt we will get destroyed, but yes improvement is needed.
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Post by: razor on August 05, 2011, 12:31:10 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on August 04, 2011, 09:53:14 PM
Where was Doyle playing tonight?  Was he any good?

Doyle was playing midfield tonight. He was very poor i thought considering he is a county star. As said in previous posts Kilcoo never really got out of second gear tonight. I thought the referee was an absolute disgrace. He is too whistle and card happy. He sent off a Kilcoo for no reason and also sent off a liatroim player for no reason. There must have been at least 14 yellow cards and 2 red cards in a game which was not dirty at all.  Also he gave two penaltys which were not penaltys in my opinion and also gave a liatroim a goal which looked like a square ball. I think Gaelic is becoming a non contact sport. I also think this weekend will be spoilt by poor refeering decisions. However Kilcoo are through with playing in top gear so i am happy man.
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Post by: DownFanatic on August 05, 2011, 08:01:21 PM
Clubs Chase Clarke
5th Aug 2011

Reports from Down Under today (Friday, August 4) claim that AFL Clubs Carlton and Sydney Swans have joined Collingwood in expressing interest in acquiring Down Gaelic Football star Marty Clarke, even though he has yet to declare whether or not he will be returning to Australia.


Under AFL rules, incoming team Greater Western Sydney (GWS) has first rights on Clarke so the other three clubs named above would almost certainly have to strike a deal with them in order to get Clarke, who recently visited Melbourne and apparently met with Collingwood officials.


Player Agent Ger Sholly explains some of the rules in the video below, but in short, Collingwood no longer have any hold on Clarke. GWS has first rights on any player who has been delisted from an AFL list.


Australian newspaper 'The Age' reports today that while Clarke is believed to favour returning to Collingwood, Carlton senior assistant coach Alan Richardson and defensive coach Gavin Brown have relationships with Clarke from their time at Collingwood, Richardson having been head of development when Clarke joined.


Sydney Swans has a connection through Irishmen Tadhg Kennelly and Chris McKagiue from Derry. Collingwood has also signed another County Down player in Caolan Mooney, who will join them shortly.
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Post by: 13aside on August 05, 2011, 08:39:27 PM
i heard drumgath lost sheerin the previous with serious knee injury 
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Post by: whitegoodman on August 05, 2011, 09:51:44 PM
Bryansford surprisingly only beat the kingdom by a few points tonight, Kingdom give them a real game of it only to run out of steam in the last 10 mins.

King was immense and Bonney looked like a county prospect, very strong and got the better of his dual with John Clarke imo.

Bit disappointed with Bryansford foward line, half fowards especially as was looking forward to seeing clarke, maginn and savage play together.  Still there are no easy wins in the championship and they will be happy enough to be in the next round.

Kingdom impressed me with their hunger and determination but if the direct ball into J Clarke isnt working they struggle.  If Colgen had of been fit they may have done a bit better at midfield but McVeighs kickouts were alot like they are for Down in that they were one dimensional straight down the middle with King invariable getting his hands on the majority of them.

Lastly i hate to mention the ref but without destroying the game he did gave some strange decisions for both sides.
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Post by: redandblackareback on August 05, 2011, 10:01:51 PM
I actually thought Con Reynolds did ok WGM!!!! Enjoyed the game tonight, both teams intent on playing football compared to the muck served up last night from Kilcoo and liatroim!
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 05, 2011, 10:16:47 PM
I thought Con Reynolds refereed the game well tonight in a game the ford won due to their midfield dominance. King was highly influential in the aerial stakes but it was the fords ability to win breaking balls that impressed me most.
For An Riocht Marty Clarke was superb, worked his socks off, his strength and playmaking where sublime. The loss of James Colgan proved severe.
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Post by: umpire on August 05, 2011, 10:48:46 PM
Predictions league is updated on the other thread!!!!
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Post by: DownFanatic on August 05, 2011, 10:49:21 PM
JFC Preliminary Round
Bright 0-13  Mitchels 0-11
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Post by: whitegoodman on August 05, 2011, 10:59:20 PM
Just thought con gave a few strange ones, king caught a great ball and was then pounded on on the ground and ref gave kingdom free and then 2mins later john Clarke was pushed over the line and he gives a line ball the other way. But as I said he far from ruined what was a decent game.

Timmy Hanna was another one to impress although he didn't have his shooting boots with him, could be an option for half back for the county next year. Marty was impressive although Luke Howard looked well off the pace.
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Post by: redandblackareback on August 05, 2011, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 05, 2011, 10:48:46 PM
Predictions league is updated on the other thread!!!!

Umpire you have me down for 3 and iv correctly predicted all 5!! results so far  :(
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Post by: umpire on August 05, 2011, 11:51:00 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 05, 2011, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 05, 2011, 10:48:46 PM
Predictions league is updated on the other thread!!!!

Umpire you have me down for 3 and iv correctly predicted all 5!! results so far  :(

its now fixed and updated! apologies!!!  i am bad as the referees these days!!!!
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Post by: sabhallphadraig on August 06, 2011, 10:45:12 AM
JFC: Saul v Ballykinlar

Now in Bright at 7.30pm on Monday night (August 8th)
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Post by: bridgegael on August 06, 2011, 10:47:56 AM
was there many at the 'ford/kingdom match?
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 06, 2011, 10:48:43 AM
I see according to Matt Fitzpatricks preview in todays Irish News Mayobridge will be looking to Jimmy Coulter to send them on their way. The man must be retired over 15 years, inaccuracy as usual from the Fermanagh born journalist.
Brendan Grant, who has not featured for the bridge this year also gets a mention while a Sean Sands of Saval is said to feature in the pairc Esler encounter.
A Seamie McKibben of Castlewellan is said to be a key attacker for Castlewellan, I dont recall a Seamie McKibben ever featuring for a town team.
It was the same in the preview to us and Liatriom where the Fontenoys where looking to the Bannons for inspiration, and not a Bannon on the Liatriom team this few years while Kilcoo had players mentioned, 3 minors to be presice, who never featured, one that had never played senior football, yet he was a key player for us according to Matt.
A great ambassador for for gaelic games Matt is, but it would be much more professional if he could at least get the personnell correct in his match previews for championship games, surely cannot be that difficult.
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Post by: Statto-Gael on August 06, 2011, 10:51:48 AM
Poss needs its own thread but Ladies Senior, Intermed + Junior Championship games also this weekend:

    Saturday, August 6th

        Senior Football Championship Quarter-Finals:
            Venue: Castlewellan
                6.00pm - Castlewellan v Downpatrick (Referee: B Andrews)
                7.30pm - Bryansford v Bredagh (Referee: O Burke)
            Venue: Newry
                7.00pm - Shamrocks v Saval (Referee: M Rawlinson)

        Intermediate Football Championship Quarter-Finals
            Venue: Burren
                7.00pm - Burren v Kilcoo (Referee: H Rice)

        Junior Football Championship Quarter-Finals
            Venue: Carryduff
                7.00pm - Carryduff v Teconnaught (Referee: P Brannigan)
            Venue: St Michaels
                7.00pm - St Michaels v Saul (Referee: A Grant)
            Venue: St Johns - MATCH POSTPONED
                7.00pm - St Johns v Aughlisnafin (Referee: P Gelston) - OFF

    Sunday, August 7th

        Intermediate Football Championship Quarter-Finals
            Venue: Tullylish
                1.00pm - Tullylish v Rostrevor (Referee: P McDade)
            Venue: Glasdrumman
                1.00pm - Ballymartin v Loughinisland (Referee: M Devlin)

        Junior Football Championship Quarter-Final
            Venue: Newry Bosco
                6.00pm - St John Bosco v Bredagh (Referee: M O'Rourke)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 06, 2011, 03:17:55 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 06, 2011, 10:48:43 AM
I see according to Matt Fitzpatricks preview in todays Irish News Mayobridge will be looking to Jimmy Coulter to send them on their way. The man must be retired over 15 years, inaccuracy as usual from the Fermanagh born journalist.
Brendan Grant, who has not featured for the bridge this year also gets a mention while a Sean Sands of Saval is said to feature in the pairc Esler encounter.
A Seamie McKibben of Castlewellan is said to be a key attacker for Castlewellan, I dont recall a Seamie McKibben ever featuring for a town team.
It was the same in the preview to us and Liatriom where the Fontenoys where looking to the Bannons for inspiration, and not a Bannon on the Liatriom team this few years while Kilcoo had players mentioned, 3 minors to be presice, who never featured, one that had never played senior football, yet he was a key player for us according to Matt.
A great ambassador for for gaelic games Matt is, but it would be much more professional if he could at least get the personnell correct in his match previews for championship games, surely cannot be that difficult.

Matt's heyday is over. He was a great ambassador and PR man for the Association over the years but surely previews like this do a disservice to the games in our county.

Joe Donnan in the Mourne Observer does much better previews and analysis.

On a sidenote, GAA coverage in the Down Recorder is absolutely disgraceful. They solely rely on club PRO's and the pictures they use for match reports are generally 2/3 years old.
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Post by: EagleLord on August 06, 2011, 03:45:48 PM
That Matt Fitz is a laugh.  :D But it isn't really a joke, coverage should be uch better. These days clubs video and photograph their games, it wouldnt take that much snooping around to find a recent picture. Nothing more annoying that reading a report of a game or  preveiw, and the picture is from 5years go.
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Post by: DownFanatic on August 06, 2011, 03:55:29 PM
IFC
St Johns  1-11 Glasdrumman 0-11

Biggest shock of any of the Championships so far.
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Post by: John Martin on August 06, 2011, 05:36:27 PM
Any update on the Ballymartin Ardglass game?
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Post by: hayemaker on August 06, 2011, 05:40:28 PM
5 apiece last time i heard
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Post by: hayemaker on August 06, 2011, 05:43:28 PM
bmartin up by 8 now- 10mins left. ardglass down to 13 men, bmartin 14. Something must of happened?
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Post by: Square Ball on August 06, 2011, 06:14:40 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 06, 2011, 03:55:29 PM
IFC
St Johns  1-11 Glasdrumman 0-11

Biggest shock of any of the Championships so far.

holy f. That is a biggie indeed DF. anyone predict that one?
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Post by: DownFanatic on August 06, 2011, 10:03:24 PM
Tonight at Dundrum

SFC
Loughinisland 1-10  Tullylish 0-07
Halftime - 1-05 0-04

IFC
Atticall 3-11  Drumaness 1-09
Halftime - 2-06 1-05


IFC at Drumaness
Ballymartin 0-16  Ardglass 0-08
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Post by: umpire on August 06, 2011, 10:15:07 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 06, 2011, 06:14:40 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 06, 2011, 03:55:29 PM
IFC
St Johns  1-11 Glasdrumman 0-11

Biggest shock of any of the Championships so far.

holy f. That is a biggie indeed DF. anyone predict that one?

All 62 entries went for Glasdrumman!!!!
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Post by: Minus15 on August 07, 2011, 04:18:20 PM
Half Time Score From Downpatrick:

Dundrum 1-05
Carryduff 0-03
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Post by: Minus15 on August 07, 2011, 05:14:10 PM
Full Time:

Dundrum 1-07
Carryduff 1-07
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Post by: SHEEDY on August 07, 2011, 05:51:40 PM
clonduff 0-12 castlewellan 1-9
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Post by: 45 on August 07, 2011, 06:03:47 PM
Any word on how the shamrocks game went?
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Post by: DownFanatic on August 07, 2011, 06:10:15 PM
JFC
Dromara  0-11 vs 0-7 Aughlisnafin 

IFC
Shamrocks 2-10  Kilclief 1-13


That's the second year in a row we have drawn with Carryduff in the 1st round of the IFC. Last years replay went to extra time which Carryduff just edged home.
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Post by: Oglach on August 07, 2011, 06:24:01 PM
Shamrocks and Kilclief played out a draw in what was a fairly intertaining game. The 2nd game was a tight affair also with clonduff having the lion's share of possession but couldn't put the ball between the sticks. Jason Brown recieved a straight red for a strike with five minutes remaining and i felt the Ref then leaned towards the yellows on remaining time plus 5 minutes injury time.
Clonduff's equalising score came with 25 seconds remainig. The Town will rue this one.
I'd like to say well done to Kilcoo on managing a double header in the manner the did, Car parking was a question mark but it was well planned and carried out by committee members and senior players.
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Post by: DownFanatic on August 07, 2011, 06:37:25 PM
Just a word of praise to the young referee Mooney in our game today. Great to see a young whistler competently handling a Senior Championship game.
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Post by: dundrumite on August 07, 2011, 06:57:38 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 07, 2011, 06:37:25 PM
Just a word of praise to the young referee Mooney in our game today. Great to see a young whistler competently handling a Senior Championship game.

On a weekend when referees are getting crap he handled the game well. One rule I would be in favour of changing in Gaelic football would be allowing an advantage. I think we were in for two goal chances and the game was called back. Essentially this is punishing the attacking team who are getting fouled and the team carrying out a well timed cynical foul are gaining advantage.
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Post by: MK on August 07, 2011, 07:54:10 PM
Bridge won by 6
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Post by: thegael on August 07, 2011, 08:17:09 PM
Half time
It is there for the stone to take it .
Longstone 0.08  Burren 1.08
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Post by: KIDDO 4 on August 07, 2011, 08:30:06 PM
Burren 1.9 Longstone0.8 , 4 gone second half
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Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 07, 2011, 09:15:39 PM
Burren match called off with mins to go, ref collapsed! Poor man, hope he recovers but didnt look good!
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Post by: EagleLord on August 07, 2011, 09:17:39 PM
Heard someone say that bridge lad, what happened?? Horrible thing to happen, brings back bad memories..
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Post by: 5 Sams on August 07, 2011, 09:51:51 PM
Any word of the ref lads??
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 07, 2011, 10:07:01 PM
That was one scary incident in Newry. Poor Gabriel Tumitly, appears to be a massive heart attack. They eventually got him round and promptly the emergency services rushed him to hospital. Lets hope he is ok, Gabriel is one gentleman and i feel so sorry for him tonight.
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Post by: Dubh driocht on August 07, 2011, 10:20:52 PM
It was shocking for all concerned and particularly for any relatives of Gabriel who may have been in the crowd. However, credit to the medical staff from both teams who got to work immediately. The ambulance car was on the pitch within 10 minutes and the ambulance itself 5 minutes after that.
Gabriel was having a fine game and let's all hope he makes a full recovery.
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Post by: here comes 6 on August 07, 2011, 10:23:55 PM
my thoughts and im sure everyone elses thoughts tonight are with Gaberial and his family.   This man give up his sunday night to do this game and this happens to him.  I hope Gaberial you pull through.  My prayes and all of the gaa familys prayers are for you tonight
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Post by: whitegoodman on August 07, 2011, 10:39:41 PM
That was scary shit, I thought he was a gonner for sure, all credit to all involved in getting him round including Dan mccartan who seemed closest to the incident and got him turned on his side before he swallowed his tongue. Ambrose  mum also very quick on the scene to help before the doc arrived. Someone said that he was talking and asked for a drink of water which hopefully is the case and hopefully he makes a full recovery.

Certainly puts a football match into perspective
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Post by: Shortso79 on August 07, 2011, 10:41:07 PM
Awful scenes in Newry tonight

My thoughts and prayers are with the ref and his family

Everybody was in shock

Puts everything into perspective
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Post by: dundroma on August 07, 2011, 10:45:38 PM
from everyone from dundrum and hopefully all of down we wish Gaberial and quick and easy recovery our thoughts are with you and your family
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Post by: NedFlanders on August 08, 2011, 01:28:13 AM
From all at An Riocht G.A.C we wish Gabriel a speedy recovery.
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Post by: cokers on August 08, 2011, 02:06:41 AM
Thoughts and prayers are with Gabriel and his family tonight. Let's hope he makes a good recovery and well done to those who promptly helped
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Post by: amallon on August 08, 2011, 09:52:19 AM
Terrible for the referee and his family hope he makes a quick recovery.  Maybe referees should be sent to get their hearts tested. 
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Post by: Leo on August 08, 2011, 10:51:12 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 08, 2011, 09:52:19 AM
Terrible for the referee and his family hope he makes a quick recovery.  Maybe referees should be sent to get their hearts tested.

Absolutely agree with this.
Great work by those who came to Gabriel's assistance and to the arrangements in place for defibrilator at ground. Very well done and best wishes to Gabriel and his family.
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Post by: 13aside on August 08, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
my goodness was away last night and only heard from a mate who phoned me -best wishes and to Gabriel and his family at this time
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Post by: downjim on August 08, 2011, 02:42:16 PM
Best wishes to Gabriel, I hope he recovers. We were poor last night and the Stone will fancy their chances in the next game.. Saval were very disappointing and they seemed to freeze against a Bridge team which was there for the taking.The Bridge though have the best bench in the county but i believe its still between The Ford , Kilcoo and ourselves
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Post by: NP 76 on August 08, 2011, 02:54:53 PM
Have to agree great work by all concerned last night saved that mans life . Would like to wish him a speedy recovery . Brought back memories of the night in Ballyholland that Michael Cole passed away an awful eerie feeling .
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Post by: 45 on August 08, 2011, 06:03:26 PM
With all these draws at the weekend will there be a round of league games this Friday ?
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Post by: blueannavy on August 08, 2011, 06:12:26 PM
will the draw for the quarter finals be made at tonights game ?
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Post by: sabhallphadraig on August 08, 2011, 08:13:42 PM
HT: Ballykinlar 0-1 Saul 2-6

FT: Ballykinlar 0-1 Saul won

All the best to Gabriel T for a full and swift recovery from all at Saul
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Post by: SHEEDY on August 08, 2011, 09:15:26 PM
b'holland beat the point by 5pts. 2-12 to 2-7
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Post by: whitegoodman on August 08, 2011, 09:36:37 PM
Poor enough match in Burren this evening.  The harps played one of the most dangerous fowards in club football in the county in the half foward line for the majority of the first half for some reason and went in at half time drawing.

Murtagh stayed inside for the 2nd half and scored 1 3 and sealed the game for them.  Ballyholland would have a lot of improving to do if they are to go any further.

To be fair to the point they didnt look like a team in relegation trouble in the 2nd division and if they play with the fight they did tonight they should have more than enough to stay in that division.
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Post by: thewobbler on August 08, 2011, 09:43:27 PM
I've been at more atmospheric reserve friendlies than tonight's SFC match.

Both teams knew what the outcome was going to be before the start, and neither really pushed the issue. 

Only for Leo it would have been a complete non-event. Actually I shouldn't pander to him; tonight's eclectic mix of bad calls, bizarre interpretations and the downright controversial could have caused a riot in more strained surroundings.

Harps only played for 10 minutes, and that was more than enough. Only a horrible goalkeeping error and a dubious penalty kept it respectable.

Ballyholland's management won't be happy with the performance. But in fairness, we would have learned little from going full steam at it. The Point just aren't strong enough to do without the Boyles. It gave Shane a nice opportunity to blood 5 or 6 Championship debutants.

Best for the Blues  were Niall McCartan and Conor Clarke, while their midfield held their own well.

Patrick Quinn had a very decent hour for Harps, as did Niall McQuillan. Paddy McAteer made a big difference after coming on at half time. Murtagh and Murphy both made telling contributions too, without ever leaving second gear.
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Post by: NP 76 on August 08, 2011, 09:49:59 PM
Harps made hard work of the point tonight but as you said wgm the point played with great heart and plenty of fight . Thought Gunner Quinn had a good game for Ballyholland involved in all the good moves while Ross Mc Garry put in a good shift for the point . the draw for the next round is to be made next wednesday night at the double header of replays
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 08, 2011, 09:51:39 PM
Poor enough game alright, low turnout and not much entertainment on the field.
Harps looked like Div2 team, and to be fair Murtagh was the difference (as he usually is) even with Point having an extra man in last 15mins.
Have to agree with WGM, why play your most potent forward in a congested area of the field far from goal where he wont hurt the scoreboard? it was the same last night with Danny Hughes against Bridge. Put the bugger on the edge of the square and isolate him, if the opposition double team then ye should have a decent man prepped for the free role.
Ballyholland struggled for long periods tonight against a Point B team by all accounts. Only player that looked county material on the field was Murtagh. Murphy showed glimpses but still tries to bludgeon his way through the game. Point no13 was decent and Ross McGarry showed glimpses too. Someone mentioned a while back about campbell  fro Ballyholland being potentialy a county full-back. not on tonights performance he aint.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 08, 2011, 09:54:21 PM
Quote from: sabhallphadraig on August 08, 2011, 08:13:42 PM
HT: Ballykinlar 0-1 Saul 2-6

FT: Ballykinlar 0-1 Saul won

All the best to Gabriel T for a full and swift recovery from all at Saul

Ballykinlar 0-01  Saul 4-23

Saul should get over Bredagh and then they will win this JFC at a canter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 08, 2011, 10:07:24 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on August 08, 2011, 09:49:59 PM
Harps made hard work of the point tonight but as you said wgm the point played with great heart and plenty of fight . Thought Gunner Quinn had a good game for Ballyholland involved in all the good moves while Ross Mc Garry put in a good shift for the point . the draw for the next round is to be made next wednesday night at the double header of replays

Is that Burren v Stone and Clonduff v Castlewellan the double header??  I take it that is in newry under lights.  Would still require an early start if they want the matches over before 10?!?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on August 08, 2011, 10:23:19 PM
Was told that tonight at the match by a man on the county board but he never mentioned times
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 09, 2011, 10:47:39 AM
Suppose one will be a 7 throw in and the other 8.30 which should see the second game over for 9.45?  When is the next round of the championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on August 09, 2011, 11:25:15 AM
I heard the next round games arent for another month?
Title: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 09, 2011, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 09, 2011, 10:47:39 AM
Suppose one will be a 7 throw in and the other 8.30 which should see the second game over for 9.45?  When is the next round of the championship?

Weekend of 9th, 10th, 11th September
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on August 09, 2011, 12:33:04 PM
Can't believe people are only saying Ross McGarry showed glimpses. In an exceptionally poor Warrenpoint team Ross was the only reason the score remained respectable. Ballyholland were poor but I believe that was only because they didn't need to be any better.

At any stage harps looked like they could walk through our defence. The scoreline was probably a fair reflection on the game. Warrenpoint have problems internally and that has not helped at all. But generally there is no particular game-plan it really is just down to putting the best players out and hoping they will play well together. Also Ballyholland looked fitter to me.

I thought Murphy was poor to be honest, up against a not very good side he did not dominate and looked about as good as the players opposing him. Shay Curran caught plenty of balls and broke many others.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on August 09, 2011, 12:44:24 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 09, 2011, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 09, 2011, 10:47:39 AM
Suppose one will be a 7 throw in and the other 8.30 which should see the second game over for 9.45?  When is the next round of the championship?

Weekend of 9th, 10th, 11th September

This is an absolute farce. Why not play the next round of the championship in 2 weeks time?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 09, 2011, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: razor on August 09, 2011, 12:44:24 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 09, 2011, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 09, 2011, 10:47:39 AM
Suppose one will be a 7 throw in and the other 8.30 which should see the second game over for 9.45?  When is the next round of the championship?

Weekend of 9th, 10th, 11th September

This is an absolute farce. Why not play the next round of the championship in 2 weeks time?

because it will give the assistant secretary's club time to get their stars players back to full fitness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toe to hand on August 09, 2011, 04:34:33 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 09, 2011, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: razor on August 09, 2011, 12:44:24 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 09, 2011, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 09, 2011, 10:47:39 AM
Suppose one will be a 7 throw in and the other 8.30 which should see the second game over for 9.45?  When is the next round of the championship?

Weekend of 9th, 10th, 11th September

This is an absolute farce. Why not play the next round of the championship in 2 weeks time?

because it will give the assistant secretary's club time to get their stars players back to full fitness


not sure how you can make an accusation like that whenever the master fixture plan for the year was published months ago, have a read at the link below.

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=18418.0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 09, 2011, 05:32:39 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 09, 2011, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: razor on August 09, 2011, 12:44:24 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 09, 2011, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 09, 2011, 10:47:39 AM
Suppose one will be a 7 throw in and the other 8.30 which should see the second game over for 9.45?  When is the next round of the championship?

Weekend of 9th, 10th, 11th September

This is an absolute farce. Why not play the next round of the championship in 2 weeks time?

because it will give the assistant secretary's club time to get their stars players back to full fitness

Disgraceful accusation with not an once of truth to support it. Sean Rooney does a difficult job very well and without fear or favour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 09, 2011, 06:12:28 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 09, 2011, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: razor on August 09, 2011, 12:44:24 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 09, 2011, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 09, 2011, 10:47:39 AM
Suppose one will be a 7 throw in and the other 8.30 which should see the second game over for 9.45?  When is the next round of the championship?

Weekend of 9th, 10th, 11th September

This is an absolute farce. Why not play the next round of the championship in 2 weeks time?

because it will give the assistant secretary's club time to get their stars players back to full fitness
You're out of order Downjim....I've seen him making decisions aginst his own club in the past...simply because he was applying the rules. Rooney is as fair as they come...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 09, 2011, 08:09:01 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 09, 2011, 06:12:28 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 09, 2011, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: razor on August 09, 2011, 12:44:24 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 09, 2011, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: amallon on August 09, 2011, 10:47:39 AM
Suppose one will be a 7 throw in and the other 8.30 which should see the second game over for 9.45?  When is the next round of the championship?

Weekend of 9th, 10th, 11th September

This is an absolute farce. Why not play the next round of the championship in 2 weeks time?

because it will give the assistant secretary's club time to get their stars players back to full fitness
You're out of order Downjim....I've seen him making decisions aginst his own club in the past...simply because he was applying the rules. Rooney is as fair as they come...

+1

Idiotic statement without substance by a WUM who is merely looking attention
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on August 09, 2011, 08:27:05 PM
Standard clownjim behaviour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blueannavy on August 09, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
downjim your a sad little man ..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on August 09, 2011, 10:34:18 PM
just home from newry and the double header was entertaining especially the first game where glenn and bosco went for it tooth and nail.  Was at most games over the weekend and by far this was the best game.  Two decent teams that probably should be in the second division with their fast flowing football.  Cant wait till the replay.  Alot of draws which is showing the competitions are very competitive throughout the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 09, 2011, 10:43:58 PM
You might have been at a good game tonight here comes 6, but to suggest bosco and glenn should be in div 2 is crazy. Glenn have some very good young players and might make div2 in the future but not next season. Bosco are an average div 3 team and might have played above themselves like a lot of teams do in the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on August 09, 2011, 10:54:37 PM
Maybe your right ardhole but i can only go on what ive seen from thurs night on. If all teams raise their game for the championship these two teams were in prime condition for it and deserve to be applaued for what was a thrilling game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 09, 2011, 10:56:08 PM
How did darragh cross and annaclone end up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 09, 2011, 10:58:35 PM
Clone won by a point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Chief on August 09, 2011, 11:00:21 PM
Two great games in Newry tonight
2nd match was exciting, with Annaclone just scraping home against Darragh Cross by a point, Aiden Fegan getting a sublime point to win it for the Clone in the last minute
The game turned on a red card with 4 minutes left when Darragh were a point up, their midfielder had been walking on thin ice all night and was sent off for constant fouling, think Darragh would have won had it not been for the sending off, they were exceptional in the 2nd half and came from 6 points behind at HT.

Annaclone will need to improve in later rounds
Bosco missed their chance tonight i think, Glenn will win the replay
Definitely worth the admission fee anyway after these 2 cliffhangers!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on August 10, 2011, 09:11:15 AM
Agree with the Chief. Bosco will rue so many missed scores, some goal chances too if they had picked out the support inside instead of shooting but a great game to watch.

Darragh Cross players must be gutted today. To be fair i did not think the midfielder deserved the second yellow as McArdle I think it was turned into a fair shoulder and came off second best. If the numbers had remained 15 aside i think Darragh had this one in the bag. They missed a few scoring opportunities as well.

The Clone will improve i am sure though. Anyone know who if favourite for the IFC?

I just hope the next round of games are as watchable as last nights.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Chief on August 10, 2011, 10:09:35 AM
I think it was a half forward who was brought down or tripped when going through the middle after winning a break ball
It was a yellow by the letter of the law, but i think in context of being late on in a hard hitting close championship game it could have been let go, however the fact is the said player was spoken to by the ref at least 5 times for petty incidents and  left the ref with little choice

Clann na Banna are favourites for the IFC with the Newry bookmakers

Shamrocks have a few players to come back in and should get past Kilclief in the replay and i think they'll be hard to stop
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedFred on August 10, 2011, 10:37:37 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on August 09, 2011, 10:34:18 PM
just home from newry and the double header was entertaining especially the first game where glenn and bosco went for it tooth and nail.  Was at most games over the weekend and by far this was the best game.  Two decent teams that probably should be in the second division with their fast flowing football.  Cant wait till the replay.  Alot of draws which is showing the competitions are very competitive throughout the county.

you must have been at a different game here comes 6. both teams gave the ball away consistently and took the wrong option up front. a 2nd division team would have put 4 goals past glenn last night, marking by both teams was slack to say the least. if you compare the two games the intensity was much higher in the 2nd game although i think both darragh and bosco have missed their chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on August 10, 2011, 12:19:24 PM
Replays

Around a Pound IFC
14/08/2011
18:00   Glenn    vs   St John Bosco       
Referee : Neill Cousins Venue : Shamrocks

Morgan Milk SFC
17/08/2011
19:00   Burren    vs   Longstone       
Referee : Con Reynolds Venue : Shamrocks

20:30   Castlewellan    vs   Clonduff       
Referee : Damien Laverty Venue : Shamrocks

Around a Pound IFC
17/08/2011
19:00   Shamrocks    vs   Kilclief       
Referee : Fearghal Laverty Venue : Kilcoo


Couldn't see the Dundrum v Carryduff replay in a cluttered fixture list on down website.

As for favouites in the SFC it will be the usual suspects, Kilcoo, Ford, Bridge & Burren? (Longstone could ypset this too)

In the IFC, I take it the Newry bookmakers don't go to many matches. Clann's were brutal against a very poor Drumgath. Favourites must still be Annaclone despite their poor 2nd half last nite. Yes they are lucky to be still there but that's what makes champions. The winners of Shamrocks and Kilclief will push them to the wire.

As for the JFC, I didn't see any of the first games but looking at the results, is it a case of it's Saul's to lose?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 10, 2011, 12:34:37 PM
Quote from: True Blue on August 10, 2011, 12:19:24 PM
Replays

Around a Pound IFC
14/08/2011
18:00   Glenn    vs   St John Bosco       
Referee : Neill Cousins Venue : Shamrocks

Morgan Milk SFC
17/08/2011
19:00   Burren    vs   Longstone       
Referee : Con Reynolds Venue : Shamrocks

20:30   Castlewellan    vs   Clonduff       
Referee : Damien Laverty Venue : Shamrocks

Around a Pound IFC
17/08/2011
19:00   Shamrocks    vs   Kilclief       
Referee : Fearghal Laverty Venue : Kilcoo


Couldn't see the Dundrum v Carryduff replay in a cluttered fixture list on down website.

As for favouites in the SFC it will be the usual suspects, Kilcoo, Ford, Bridge & Burren? (Longstone could ypset this too)

In the IFC, I take it the Newry bookmakers don't go to many matches. Clann's were brutal against a very poor Drumgath. Favourites must still be Annaclone despite their poor 2nd half last nite. Yes they are lucky to be still there but that's what makes champions. The winners of Shamrocks and Kilclief will push them to the wire.

As for the JFC, I didn't see any of the first games but looking at the results, is it a case of it's Saul's to lose?

Two replays in Newry 7pm and 8.30pm on a Wednesday Night - County Board are really thinking of the working man, any construction worker from stone or burren would need to leave work at 3pm - things are tight in the profession and the timings are wrong imo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 10, 2011, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on August 10, 2011, 12:34:37 PM
Quote from: True Blue on August 10, 2011, 12:19:24 PM
Replays

Around a Pound IFC
14/08/2011
18:00   Glenn    vs   St John Bosco       
Referee : Neill Cousins Venue : Shamrocks

Morgan Milk SFC
17/08/2011
19:00   Burren    vs   Longstone       
Referee : Con Reynolds Venue : Shamrocks

20:30   Castlewellan    vs   Clonduff       
Referee : Damien Laverty Venue : Shamrocks

Around a Pound IFC
17/08/2011
19:00   Shamrocks    vs   Kilclief       
Referee : Fearghal Laverty Venue : Kilcoo


Couldn't see the Dundrum v Carryduff replay in a cluttered fixture list on down website.

As for favouites in the SFC it will be the usual suspects, Kilcoo, Ford, Bridge & Burren? (Longstone could ypset this too)

In the IFC, I take it the Newry bookmakers don't go to many matches. Clann's were brutal against a very poor Drumgath. Favourites must still be Annaclone despite their poor 2nd half last nite. Yes they are lucky to be still there but that's what makes champions. The winners of Shamrocks and Kilclief will push them to the wire.

As for the JFC, I didn't see any of the first games but looking at the results, is it a case of it's Saul's to lose?

Two replays in Newry 7pm and 8.30pm on a Wednesday Night - County Board are really thinking of the working man, any construction worker from stone or burren would need to leave work at 3pm - things are tight in the profession and the timings are wrong imo.

+1

Dont like criticising people who have a tough job but they are really thinking about the £ here with the double header.  One match should be on the wednesday night at 8 oclock and the other on thursday night at 8 oclock.  Some of the stone supporters never mind players may struggle to get to newry for 7 on a wednesday night.

Some of u kilcoo boys couldnt be that happy either with the fact that yas may have to do stewarting at the intermediate match in kilcoo instead of being able to go and see the senior matches in newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on August 10, 2011, 02:00:27 PM
Quote from: True Blue on August 10, 2011, 12:19:24 PM
Replays

Around a Pound IFC
14/08/2011
18:00   Glenn    vs   St John Bosco       
Referee : Neill Cousins Venue : Shamrocks

Morgan Milk SFC
17/08/2011
19:00   Burren    vs   Longstone       
Referee : Con Reynolds Venue : Shamrocks

20:30   Castlewellan    vs   Clonduff       
Referee : Damien Laverty Venue : Shamrocks

Around a Pound IFC
17/08/2011
19:00   Shamrocks    vs   Kilclief       
Referee : Fearghal Laverty Venue : Kilcoo


Couldn't see the Dundrum v Carryduff replay in a cluttered fixture list on down website.

As for favouites in the SFC it will be the usual suspects, Kilcoo, Ford, Bridge & Burren? (Longstone could ypset this too)

In the IFC, I take it the Newry bookmakers don't go to many matches. Clann's were brutal against a very poor Drumgath. Favourites must still be Annaclone despite their poor 2nd half last nite. Yes they are lucky to be still there but that's what makes champions. The winners of Shamrocks and Kilclief will push them to the wire.

As for the JFC, I didn't see any of the first games but looking at the results, is it a case of it's Saul's to lose?

Around a Pound IFC
15/08/2011
19:00   Carryduff vs Dundrum      
Referee : Oliver Burke  Venue : Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on August 10, 2011, 07:43:42 PM
Quote from: True Blue on August 10, 2011, 12:19:24 PM
Replays

Around a Pound IFC
14/08/2011
18:00   Glenn    vs   St John Bosco       
Referee : Neill Cousins Venue : Shamrocks

Morgan Milk SFC
17/08/2011
19:00   Burren    vs   Longstone       
Referee : Con Reynolds Venue : Shamrocks

20:30   Castlewellan    vs   Clonduff       
Referee : Damien Laverty Venue : Shamrocks

Around a Pound IFC
17/08/2011
19:00   Shamrocks    vs   Kilclief       
Referee : Fearghal Laverty Venue : Kilcoo


Couldn't see the Dundrum v Carryduff replay in a cluttered fixture list on down website.

As for favouites in the SFC it will be the usual suspects, Kilcoo, Ford, Bridge & Burren? (Longstone could ypset this too)

In the IFC, I take it the Newry bookmakers don't go to many matches. Clann's were brutal against a very poor Drumgath. Favourites must still be Annaclone despite their poor 2nd half last nite. Yes they are lucky to be still there but that's what makes champions. The winners of Shamrocks and Kilclief will push them to the wire.

As for the JFC, I didn't see any of the first games but looking at the results, is it a case of it's Saul's to lose?

I would think Bredagh will have a say!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on August 11, 2011, 01:55:53 AM
Quote from: True Blue on August 10, 2011, 12:19:24 PM
Replays

Around a Pound IFC
14/08/2011
18:00   Glenn    vs   St John Bosco       
Referee : Neill Cousins Venue : Shamrocks

Morgan Milk SFC
17/08/2011
19:00   Burren    vs   Longstone       
Referee : Con Reynolds Venue : Shamrocks

20:30   Castlewellan    vs   Clonduff       
Referee : Damien Laverty Venue : Shamrocks

Around a Pound IFC
17/08/2011
19:00   Shamrocks    vs   Kilclief       
Referee : Fearghal Laverty Venue : Kilcoo


Couldn't see the Dundrum v Carryduff replay in a cluttered fixture list on down website.

As for favouites in the SFC it will be the usual suspects, Kilcoo, Ford, Bridge & Burren? (Longstone could ypset this too)

In the IFC, I take it the Newry bookmakers don't go to many matches. Clann's were brutal against a very poor Drumgath. Favourites must still be Annaclone despite their poor 2nd half last nite. Yes they are lucky to be still there but that's what makes champions. The winners of Shamrocks and Kilclief will push them to the wire.

As for the JFC, I didn't see any of the first games but looking at the results, is it a case of it's Saul's to lose?

Last time I checked my Club Down subscription a few years back was going towards Pairc Esler so why are these games being played at "Shamrocks"? I think the double fixture is great but surely it will need the floodlights? To play the Shamrocks replay on the same night at Kilcoo is lunacy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: hayemaker on August 11, 2011, 01:50:35 PM
big do?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 11, 2011, 05:32:08 PM
It's meant to be a surprise!! Can you remove that post?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on August 11, 2011, 06:35:03 PM
How are the county board going to manage the entry fee into the double header on Wednesday because the Lognstone v Burren should be free in?

Can anybody tell me the reason why the Championship final is on a Saturday night instead of being played on a Sunday afternoon?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: takeyourownpath on August 11, 2011, 06:52:57 PM
I heard a few shocking stories from the longstone/burren game after gabriel tumilty had collapsed. The comments and behaviour of some burren members, manager and a player, who is on the down panel, are shameful. Absolutely disgusted when I heard it. Disgraceful.
Title: Re: This is Your Life
Post by: NP 76 on August 11, 2011, 06:54:04 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 11, 2011, 12:12:21 PM
Anyone going to the big do in the Canal Court tomorrow night?
Yes am heading to it supposed to be over 500 going 5 sams yes 40 pounds a go
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 11, 2011, 07:37:32 PM
Quote from: takeyourownpath on August 11, 2011, 06:52:57 PM
I heard a few shocking stories from the longstone/burren game after gabriel tumilty had collapsed. The comments and behaviour of some burren members, manager and a player, who is on the down panel, are shameful. Absolutely disgusted when I heard it. Disgraceful.

share.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 11, 2011, 07:59:26 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 11, 2011, 05:32:08 PM
It's meant to be a surprise!! Can you remove that post?

Its the talk of the country but I see your point....doubt if he'll be lookin in here though :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 11, 2011, 08:56:18 PM
Quote from: takeyourownpath on August 11, 2011, 06:52:57 PM
I heard a few shocking stories from the longstone/burren game after gabriel tumilty had collapsed. The comments and behaviour of some burren members, manager and a player, who is on the down panel, are shameful. Absolutely disgusted when I heard it. Disgraceful.

Here we go again... more crap about the most successful club in the county... If clubs could do what we do for our community then Down football would not be as bad.. what club are you from anyway????????????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on August 11, 2011, 09:12:51 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on August 11, 2011, 07:37:32 PM
Quote from: takeyourownpath on August 11, 2011, 06:52:57 PM
I heard a few shocking stories from the longstone/burren game after gabriel tumilty had collapsed. The comments and behaviour of some burren members, manager and a player, who is on the down panel, are shameful. Absolutely disgusted when I heard it. Disgraceful.

share.....

Grapevine says that Dawson wasnt happy about having to replay, didnt think the game should have been replayed because burren had it won. And a player asking, (while they were all crowded around Gabriel saving his life), 'whats happening with the match, are we playing on or what?'

quite disrespectful indeed..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 11, 2011, 09:16:46 PM
ACFL Div 1

Clonduff 1-5 Kilcoo 3-11

A win at a canter for us against the yellows to leave us 9 clear at the top in an all round good team display.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on August 11, 2011, 09:59:32 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on August 11, 2011, 09:12:51 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on August 11, 2011, 07:37:32 PM
Quote from: takeyourownpath on August 11, 2011, 06:52:57 PM
I heard a few shocking stories from the longstone/burren game after gabriel tumilty had collapsed. The comments and behaviour of some burren members, manager and a player, who is on the down panel, are shameful. Absolutely disgusted when I heard it. Disgraceful.

share.....

Grapevine says that Dawson wasnt happy about having to replay, didnt think the game should have been replayed because burren had it won. And a player asking, (while they were all crowded around Gabriel saving his life), 'whats happening with the match, are we playing on or what?'

quite disrespectful indeed..

This does not suprise me. This club and thier manager are an absolute disgrace and they are suppose to be county champions.
All they think about is themselves despite the referee nearly dying on the pitch. Childish behaviour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 12, 2011, 12:36:12 PM
Shocking from Dawson (IF true), and this was agaisnt his old club as well.  Any news on the ref?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on August 12, 2011, 03:42:08 PM
Absolutely disgusting,if true, efforts should be made by proper authorities to establish the facts. If found to be true, the individuals involved should be censured, if not they should be publicly cleared. Giving that this is now in the public domain, one would expect a statement from the Burren club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 12, 2011, 05:41:33 PM
Quote from: razor on August 11, 2011, 09:59:32 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on August 11, 2011, 09:12:51 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on August 11, 2011, 07:37:32 PM
Quote from: takeyourownpath on August 11, 2011, 06:52:57 PM
I heard a few shocking stories from the longstone/burren game after gabriel tumilty had collapsed. The comments and behaviour of some burren members, manager and a player, who is on the down panel, are shameful. Absolutely disgusted when I heard it. Disgraceful.

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Our club a disgrace!!!!!.. people in glass houses should not throw stones!! Wee men throwing their weight about.. your club is synonymous with fighting, Burren is synonymous with success!!!

Grapevine says that Dawson wasnt happy about having to replay, didnt think the game should have been replayed because burren had it won. And a player asking, (while they were all crowded around Gabriel saving his life), 'whats happening with the match, are we playing on or what?'

quite disrespectful indeed..

This does not suprise me. This club and thier manager are an absolute disgrace and they are suppose to be county champions.
All they think about is themselves despite the referee nearly dying on the pitch. Childish behaviour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on August 12, 2011, 06:23:12 PM
There goes automatic home draws against Kerry , Cork and the Dubs in the league next year  :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 12, 2011, 07:46:42 PM
Quote from: downredblack on August 12, 2011, 06:23:12 PM
There goes automatic home draws against Kerry , Cork and the Dubs in the league next year  :(
what a load of crap this new NFL revamp is. instead of home games against the dubs, kerry and cork we could be playing monaghan, louth, derry or galway. bascially all the teams from div1 and 2 will be put in hat and drew out at random to make 2 leagues called 1A and 1B. what was the point trying to avoid relegation this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on August 12, 2011, 08:57:50 PM
A system which failed in the fairly recent past is now being reinstituted for no good reason, no wonder the Leagues are not taken seriously
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 12, 2011, 09:12:54 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 12, 2011, 07:46:42 PM
Quote from: downredblack on August 12, 2011, 06:23:12 PM
There goes automatic home draws against Kerry , Cork and the Dubs in the league next year  :(
what a load of crap this new NFL revamp is. instead of home games against the dubs, kerry and cork we could be playing monaghan, louth, derry or galway. bascially all the teams from div1 and 2 will be put in hat and drew out at random to make 2 leagues called 1A and 1B. what was the point trying to avoid relegation this year?

your joking when was this announced. the GAA really know how to fcuk up the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 12, 2011, 09:16:54 PM
Referee assessor at our match tonight and amount of whistle blowing resembled an AFL match, start stop to the max. Referees are obviously instructed from above to officiate in this way and it is without a doubt to the detriment our game. It is a concern of mine that the contact will almost fully out of GAA. This is in no way having a go at the referee by the way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 12, 2011, 09:48:18 PM
Rostrevor 0-13 An Rioct 1-8

We just about deserved this after a good second half performance. Martin Clarke got their goal early on in the game and a sending off each just before half time was well deserved after some disgraceful scenes. We needed this win badly having not won 2 in a row in the league all year, but the Kingdom were well up for it too. A certain Mr Clarke venting his frustrations at the end for all to hear!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on August 12, 2011, 09:56:18 PM
Do tell supersub..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 12, 2011, 10:00:33 PM
Let off a bit of steam at the final whistle screaming and shouting in anger it seemed! A few expletives used and along the lines of he hates losing all the time. But was very loud, top of the voice stuff!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 12, 2011, 10:10:40 PM
Good win for the Bridge against Bryansford tonight despite resting Coulter and Garvey we were well in control apart from a 3 or 4 minute spell before half time when the ford hit 1-3.  Bad night for football, wet and breezy.

Thats bad news about next years NFL if they bring that 1A 1B nonsense back in. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on August 12, 2011, 10:12:15 PM
Ridiculous decision to play a double header in Newry this Wednesday night. 8.30pm throw-in for a game that could go to extra time! The town- Clonduff game should be played in Newcastle. If people wanted to attend both games one coule be played on Tuesday and one on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 12, 2011, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on August 12, 2011, 09:56:18 PM
Do tell supersub..

I think he s talking about the disgraceful scenes you mention supersub  ;)

Surely not again down in Rostrevor eh?? lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 12, 2011, 10:59:36 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on August 12, 2011, 10:12:15 PM
Ridiculous decision to play a double header in Newry this Wednesday night. 8.30pm throw-in for a game that could go to extra time! The town- Clonduff game should be played in Newcastle. If people wanted to attend both games one coule be played on Tuesday and one on Wednesday.

Totally agree!! Are shamrocks not down to play also on the same night??  ::) good thinking that!

Could someone please post the division 2 results and league table please.. I cant get onto Down website.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 12, 2011, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 12, 2011, 10:59:36 PM
Quote from: Long Ball on August 12, 2011, 10:12:15 PM
Ridiculous decision to play a double header in Newry this Wednesday night. 8.30pm throw-in for a game that could go to extra time! The town- Clonduff game should be played in Newcastle. If people wanted to attend both games one coule be played on Tuesday and one on Wednesday.

Totally agree!! Are shamrocks not down to play also on the same night??  ::) good thinking that!

Could someone please post the division 2 results and league table please.. I cant get onto Down website.
Team Played Won Lost Drawn Points For Points Against Points Diff Points
Castlewellan  13 11 1 1 214 130 84 23
Downpatrick  13 8 3 2 184 145 39 18
Liatroim  13 8 5 0 187 139 48 16
Loughinisland  13 7 4 2 157 148 9 16
Shamrocks  13 6 5 2 147 183 -36 14
Clann na Banna  13 5 7 1 161 169 -8 11
Annaclone  13 5 8 0 166 183 -17 10
Ballymartin  13 4 8 1 168 179 -11 9
Warrenpoint  13 4 8 1 156 186 -30 9
Drumgath  13 2 11 0 140 218 -78 4

Loughinisland  1-5 0-11 Castlewellan 
Liatroim  1-7 1-12 Downpatrick 
Ballymartin  4-12 0-6 Drumgath 
Warrenpoint  0-9 1-8 Clann na Banna 
Annaclone  0-7 0-8 Shamrocks 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on August 12, 2011, 11:09:09 PM
Anyone know the division 3 results from tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on August 12, 2011, 11:25:27 PM

Dundrum  2-15 1-8 Mitchels 
Kilclief  0-12 1-7 Glasdrumman 
St Johns  0-8 3-11 Carryduff  A
Ardglass  1-8 1-8 Atticall 
Tullylish  0-16 1-13 Darragh Cross 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 13, 2011, 12:29:52 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 12, 2011, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on August 12, 2011, 09:56:18 PM
Do tell supersub..

I think he s talking about the disgraceful scenes you mention supersub  ;)

Surely not again down in Rostrevor eh?? lol

Ah I see, few blows exchanged early in match between 2 players then the same player for them and Brian Cole for us went at it which sparked another riot. Not as bad as ballyholland one!! Ref should have stepped in before the fight began in any case. Their no6 came out worse off physically but the suspension will affect us more than them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: On The Side on August 13, 2011, 03:02:34 AM
ballyhhond tonight. burren winning refs or not? ridicules.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 13, 2011, 05:33:36 AM
after reading about the sad death of a referee during a SHC match in Derry last night. deepest condolences to his family.

just shows how things could have worked out last week without the quick response of the medical personel. hope gabriel is continuing on the road to recovery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on August 13, 2011, 09:42:31 AM
Heard that about the ref in derry last night at James night wish his family the deepest condolences . James night in the canal court was excellent never saw as big of seated crowd in the Canal Court . A big number of players made the trip from all over Ireland about 8 or 10 of the Kerry team of the 60s and the same of the Galway team . The greatest commentator of them all made the trip from Kerry just shows the esteem the Mc Cartans are held in . Was a bit surprised not one of the current Down team was in attendance . Great night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 13, 2011, 12:21:18 PM
The county board should set out to block the NFL changes, which are a complete joke. Down have taken the league seriously over recent years by achieving back to back promotions and retaining a coveted place in division one. All those efforts are gong to be written off if every county which manages to stay out of division three is suddenly rated as equal.  In addition, Down will be be deprived of scheduled high-profile home games against Kerry, Dublin, Cork and Mayo which would have brought on our younger players considerably.

The GAA may get the revenue from additional league semi finals, but the entire competition will be devalued and overall attendances will almost certainly fall. If someone is going to put forward a serious case for a restructure, it should not be considered until the end of the 2012 season at the earliest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 13, 2011, 12:38:25 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 13, 2011, 12:29:52 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 12, 2011, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on August 12, 2011, 09:56:18 PM
Do tell supersub..

I think he s talking about the disgraceful scenes you mention supersub  ;)

Surely not again down in Rostrevor eh?? lol

Ah I see, few blows exchanged early in match between 2 players then the same player for them and Brian Cole for us went at it which sparked another riot. Not as bad as ballyholland one!! Ref should have stepped in before the fight began in any case. Their no6 came out worse off physically but the suspension will affect us more than them!

There far too many brawls happened in our local club games.
i think that the Refs could handle the rows much better if non-playering members and management stayed on the line. by running on feild make the refereeing job difficult. The Rostrevor v Ballyholland game had more people  on feild than actual playing members in brawl.

What is the rule for number of subs and management tieam on line?

The team should be fined for enroching on feild of play with out ref permission.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 13, 2011, 12:41:19 PM
Agree with everything you have said MR but I cant see the county board being able to block it unless almost every county unanimously agree to block it which wont happy as alot of division 2 & 4 teams will be very happy with the changes.

Terrible decision if it happens imo, they tried it a few years ago and it didnt really work so what makes them think it is going to work now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on August 13, 2011, 03:59:08 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 13, 2011, 12:29:52 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 12, 2011, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on August 12, 2011, 09:56:18 PM
Do tell supersub..

I think he s talking about the disgraceful scenes you mention supersub  ;)

Surely not again down in Rostrevor eh?? lol

Ah I see, few blows exchanged early in match between 2 players then the same player for them and Brian Cole for us went at it which sparked another riot. Not as bad as ballyholland one!! Ref should have stepped in before the fight began in any case. Their no6 came out worse off physically but the suspension will affect us more than them!

No it actually was the Clarke incident I wasinterested in, but both scoops were good to get!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 13, 2011, 05:37:53 PM
I thought as much!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on August 13, 2011, 07:54:00 PM
Ugly scenes in Rostrevor last night, all avoidable but the referee was poor, should have given a free seconds before all hell broke loose. 2 players red carded but there could have been more, our no 6 got the works, suspected broken noes, to hit a player on a gaelic field is one thing, but to kick a man on the face when he is down is just down right unacceptable, but both teams were at fault in the mele.

Referee was poor for both team throughout, Keiran Trainor is not a Division 1 referee, was doing 3rds games there not so long ago, tells alot in my opinion

Gritty game but Rostrevor edged it, took their chances when they got them, chance gone for us to climb further up the table.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on August 13, 2011, 10:41:01 PM
Long past time for us to ease up on the referees in these games.
As a neutral at Ballyholland-Burren last night the niggling intensity from some players was hard to ignorer but if the play is at one end while one "county defender"is mugging a "county forward" off the ball at the other end how is the referee supposed to see that?
And when the "county forward" choses an opportune moment to reek revenge while the play is elsewhere is the referee to blame again?
Facew it. we are an unsporting and bigoted lot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 13, 2011, 11:32:27 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on August 13, 2011, 09:42:31 AM
Heard that about the ref in derry last night at James night wish his family the deepest condolences . James night in the canal court was excellent never saw as big of seated crowd in the Canal Court . A big number of players made the trip from all over Ireland about 8 or 10 of the Kerry team of the 60s and the same of the Galway team . The greatest commentator of them all made the trip from Kerry just shows the esteem the Mc Cartans are held in . Was a bit surprised not one of the current Down team was in attendance . Great night

And why would they be there??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on August 14, 2011, 10:24:53 AM
Just thought that because it was for one of Downs greatest players some of our current players should of been there out of respect for what James achieved not only for himself but for Down football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: realgael on August 14, 2011, 11:35:50 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 13, 2011, 05:33:36 AM
after reading about the sad death of a referee during a SHC match in Derry last night. deepest condolences to his family.

just shows how things could have worked out last week without the quick response of the medical personel. hope gabriel is continuing on the road to recovery.

With the death of the referee in Doire and also to the young gael in Warrenpoint last year.  Not to mention the very close calls to our very own Ref in Co.Down Gabriel Tumilty and also the young soccer player who collapsed on the pitch at the Milk Cup tournament last month.  Its now become apparent how important a defib is at the pitchside.

Research shows that using a defibrillator within five minutes of collapse provides the best possible outcome. For every minute that passes chances of survival decrease by 14 per cent.  Further research expanded these figures by concluding that survival rates are as high as 90 percent if a victim of sudden cardiac arrest is defibrillated within one minute. The survival rate is around 70 percent if defibrillation occurs within four minutes. If delivered 10 minutes after cardiac arrest, the survival rate drops to two percent.

At a recent away senior club match, we had asked a past chairman of the club where the defib was as we would like it to be placed at the pitchside.  His reponse was simply, "we don't have a defib and dont see the significance of having 1.  So we wont be getting 1."  I'll let you draw your own conclusions on what you think on this matter.

Finally I would like to highlight that a defib needs to be pitch side at every home game / Training and ever club needs to have one.  Funding is available if your club does not have one.
Each club needs to provide training to club members in how to use them.  Courses are available locally.
Finally could i ask that you locate you defib in your club and check that the cardiac pads are in date and not expired as these have to be renewed.  If the pads are expired and you have a cardiac arrest they may not stick to the persons chest and therefore ineffective.





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 14, 2011, 06:56:13 PM
Fair play Realgael....good 1st post...I would doubt if any club HASN'T got a defib at this stage and if they haven't their committee is negligent given the events of the past fews years..

As a wise man once said in our club..."It's better to be lookin at it than lookin for it."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 14, 2011, 08:24:50 PM
Bosco beat Glenn 1-11 to 0-10 in the IFC 1st Round Replay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 14, 2011, 11:02:51 PM
Clonduff v Castlewellan championship meeting

2002 First Round
Castlewellan 1.11 Clonduff 0.8

Castlewellan team
Mickey McVeigh;
Liam Lennon, Mark Stratton, Stephen Trainor;
Bernard McAleenan, Paul McGrady, Paul Flannagan;
Gregory McCartan 0.1, Dean Anderson;
Fintan McGreevey 0.2, Colm McAlarney 1.0, Damian McGrady 0.1;
Finber Rice, Ciaran McCabe 0.4, Paul Hanna 0.1.
Subs used
Simon Poland 0.2, Killian Keavney and Niall McAleenan

Clonduff team
Allister McGilligan;
Gary McDonald, Paul McConville, Paul McGinn;
Jayme Fegan, Padraig Matthews, Rory Matthews;
Plunkett McConville , Paul McShane 0.1;
Jayme Farrell, Ross Carr 0.2, John Morgan;
John Fegan 0.1, Shane Ward 0.3, Eugene Brannigan 0.1
Subs used
Martin McAvoy
Previous  championship final meetings
1982 final
Castlewellan 0.5 Clonduff 0.5
Replay Castlewellan 2.5 Clonduff 1.5

Castlewellan team in drawn game
Laurence McAlinden;
Leo Flanagan, Gerry Flanagan, Barney McAleenan;
Donnach O'Kane, Kevin McElroy, Sean Gallagher;
Colm Crilly, Martin Hannity;
Paul Duffin, Colm McAlarney, John McAleenan;
Paddy McGeown, Gary Doughery, Micael Crilly
Clonduff team
Johnny McAleavey;
John Joe Brown, Frank Grant, Noel Fitzpatrick;
Peter Hamill, Martin Farnon,  Peter Devlin;
Paddy Brown, Seamus Murnin;
Sean Fitzpatrick, Patrick Brown, Michael Crilly;
John Crilly, Johnny McPolin, Ross Carr.
Not sure, I think I remembered that Brendan Toner was involved in a road accident a week before the game but came on with head bandage and rescued Castlewellan for the draw.

1965 final
Castlewellan 3.10 Clonduff 1.9

Castlewellan team
John Fitzpatrick;
Tom McGrady, Oliver Brannigan, Colm McGreevey;
Mick Magorrian, Malachy McInerney, Aidan O'Neill;
George Glynn, Pat Rice;
James McKinney, Dermot McCabe, Dermot Jennings;
Des Farley, Hugh McAllister, Pat Small.

Clonduff
Seamus McGreevey;
Sean Murray, Tom O'Hare, Jim Hynds;
Vivian Fegan, Pasty O'Hagan, Pat Curran;
Sean Rafferty, Bernard McPolin;
Dan Monaghan, M.J. McConville, Dalsy Mooney;
Stephen Morgan, Cathal Murray, Francis Coulter.

Francis Coulter (Benny da) scored goal in 2 minutes.
Dermot Jennings, Pat Small and Hugh McAllister were the Town's goal scorers.
Tom O'Hare and Francis Coulter at that time both were Clonduff players since Mayobridge were out of football.
Dalsey Mooney was Clonduff brilliant teenage star but following year he received a serious knee injury that ended his playing career, Dalsey is a great uncle of Caolan Mooney.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: winsamsoon on August 14, 2011, 11:56:22 PM
where can i get links for ladies footy results in down over the weekend there folks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on August 15, 2011, 12:02:28 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 14, 2011, 08:24:50 PM
Bosco beat Glenn 1-11 to 0-10 in the IFC 1st Round Replay.
Were you at this game Down Fanatic?  What a game, Played on the line the whole game but in the end the more superior team pulled away. It was equally as good as the first game with two teams just wanting to win.  Nos. 9, 10 and 15 stood out on the bosco team, glenns no. 10 and 12 werent bad either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 15, 2011, 12:18:41 AM
Burren v Longstone previous meetings.

Last championship meeting 2007 semi final
Burren 0.8 Longstone 1.9
Adrain  Poland;
Michael Higgins, Eamon Quinn, Cormac Poland;
Mark Doran, Barry Kelly, Conor Smyth;
John Magee, Ambrose Rodgers 1.1;
Eamon Trimble, Barry Doran 0.4, Stephen Doran 0.2;
Ryan Kelly 0.1, Mark Poland, Peter Trainor 0.1.
Subs used
Norman McComb and Gerry Trainor .

Burren team
Cathal Murdock;
Ronan McGivern, Ciaran McGovern, Daniel McCartan;
Gerard McCartan, Chris McGovern, Ronan McGovern;
Sean Ward, Conor McCann;
Declan Rooney 0.1, Andrew Cunningham, Kevin McKernan 0.3;
Conall McGovern 0.1, Ciaran Byrne 0.1, Eamon McGovern 0.1.
Subs used
PJ McAlinden and Sean Murdock 0.1

1986 Final
Burren 0.13 Longstone 0.7

Burren team
Declan Murdock;
Brendan McKernan, Aidan Murdock, Malachy Murdock;
Kieran McConville, Larry Fitzpatrick, Brendan McGovern;
Tommy McGovern, Brian Lavery;
Conor Murdock, John Treanor, Pat McKay;
Paul Fegan, Vincent McGovern, Tony McArdle.

Longstone team
Bernard Rooney,
Emmett Haughian, Conrad Haughian, John Curran;
John Poland, Michael Poland, Francis Lavery;
Hugh Trainor. Hugh Laurence Rodgers;
Paul Treanor, Ambrose Rodgers, Raphael Haughian;
Geoffrey McDowell, Paul Burden, Damian Poland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on August 15, 2011, 01:38:03 AM
Quote from: winsamsoon on August 14, 2011, 11:56:22 PM
where can i get links for ladies footy results in down over the weekend there folks?

All the fixtures and reasonably up to date results can be got from http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3211198/AnDun-Ladies-2011Leagues-MasterFixtureList.xlsx

Results from the Ladies club championship semi-finals from that:

        Senior Football Championship Semi-Finals:
     
        Intermediate Football Championship Semi-Finals:

        Junior Football Championship Semi-Finals:

I'd heard separately that Bryansford won the 2nd senior semi so its a Ford v Annaclone final in a few weeks time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 15, 2011, 08:36:05 PM
Intermediate Championship Replay

Dundrum 0-10 Carryduff 0-9

Massive result for Dundrum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 15, 2011, 08:40:54 PM
They are a funny team Dundrum, they must have the most conflicting results for any team in the county. Great result for them,I bet not too many have predicted this result though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 15, 2011, 09:08:12 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 15, 2011, 08:36:05 PM
Intermediate Championship Replay

Dundrum 0-10 Carryduff 0-9

Massive result for Dundrum.

Character is an often overused term in the GAA but we showed it in bucketloads in the last quarter. We came from 0-07 to 0-04 down to end up winning 0-10 to 0-09. Great performance from the whole team with McComiskey top scoring with 0-06.

They beat us after extra time in the 1st round replay last year by a point so it was nice to get one over them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 15, 2011, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: ardtole on August 15, 2011, 08:40:54 PM
They are a funny team Dundrum, they must have the most conflicting results for any team in the county. Great result for them,I bet not too many have predicted this result though.

Including a certain Down Fanatic  :o  :o  :o haha.. Great win, bit of pride back in the badge. Delighted ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 15, 2011, 09:14:02 PM
Quote from: Statto-Gael on August 15, 2011, 01:38:03 AM
Quote from: winsamsoon on August 14, 2011, 11:56:22 PM
where can i get links for ladies footy results in down over the weekend there folks?

All the fixtures and reasonably up to date results can be got from http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3211198/AnDun-Ladies-2011Leagues-MasterFixtureList.xlsx

Results from the Ladies club championship semi-finals from that:

        Senior Football Championship Semi-Finals:

  • Shamrocks 0-3 v Annaclone 6-13
  • Bryansford ?? v Castlewellan ??
     
        Intermediate Football Championship Semi-Finals:

  • Burren ?? v Rostrevor ??
  • Ballymartin ?? v Mayobridge ??

        Junior Football Championship Semi-Finals:

  • St Michaels 3-4 v St John Bosco 1-6
  • Carryduff 1-19 v Aughlisnafin 0-5

I'd heard separately that Bryansford won the 2nd senior semi so its a Ford v Annaclone final in a few weeks time.

Do you go to a lot of ladies football? Would a separate thread need to be made? Be good to keep up to date on this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 15, 2011, 09:20:35 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 15, 2011, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: ardtole on August 15, 2011, 08:40:54 PM
They are a funny team Dundrum, they must have the most conflicting results for any team in the county. Great result for them,I bet not too many have predicted this result though.

Including a certain Down Fanatic  :o  :o  :o haha.. Great win, bit of pride back in the badge. Delighted ;D

In the name of reverse psychology I took one for the team...

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 15, 2011, 09:36:23 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 15, 2011, 09:20:35 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 15, 2011, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: ardtole on August 15, 2011, 08:40:54 PM
They are a funny team Dundrum, they must have the most conflicting results for any team in the county. Great result for them,I bet not too many have predicted this result though.

Including a certain Down Fanatic  :o  :o  :o haha.. Great win, bit of pride back in the badge. Delighted ;D

In the name of reverse psychology I took one for the team...

If my GCSE religion taught me anything it was about yer man called Thomas
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 15, 2011, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 15, 2011, 09:36:23 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 15, 2011, 09:20:35 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 15, 2011, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: ardtole on August 15, 2011, 08:40:54 PM
They are a funny team Dundrum, they must have the most conflicting results for any team in the county. Great result for them,I bet not too many have predicted this result though.

Including a certain Down Fanatic  :o  :o  :o haha.. Great win, bit of pride back in the badge. Delighted ;D

In the name of reverse psychology I took one for the team...

If my GCSE religion taught me anything it was about yer man called Thomas

I backed us last year and we got beat. Form book didnt read well as we only beat them once in the past 7 or so games. I went with form. I also stuck by my original prediction unlike yourself who changed at the last minute :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 15, 2011, 10:05:34 PM
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Quote from: ardtole on August 15, 2011, 08:40:54 PM
They are a funny team Dundrum, they must have the most conflicting results for any team in the county. Great result for them,I bet not too many have predicted this result though.

Including a certain Down Fanatic  :o  :o  :o haha.. Great win, bit of pride back in the badge. Delighted ;D

In the name of reverse psychology I took one for the team...

If my GCSE religion taught me anything it was about yer man called Thomas

I backed us last year and we got beat. Form book didnt read well as we only beat them once in the past 7 or so games. I went with form. I also stuck by my original prediction unlike yourself who changed at the last minute :)

Don't try and deflect attention off yourself  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on August 16, 2011, 06:11:13 PM
Have the town missed their chance or will the drawn game bring them on?? Burren should win there game with a bit to spare?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2011, 06:27:00 PM
clonduff and Castlewellan are evens for tomorrows game, who'd you put your money on for that one? Can Longstone cause a upset
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blueannavy on August 16, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
castlewellan could nick it tommorrow night now that jason brown is suspended ..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 16, 2011, 09:01:13 PM
U could very easily see 2 "upsets" tomorrow night.  Clonduff are going very poor and Burren are hit and very miss although they are getting a few players back fit again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on August 16, 2011, 09:38:13 PM
Think it will be Burren and Clonduff. Anyone know what admission price is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 16, 2011, 10:17:21 PM
Sean Murdock also back for Burren after being away but not sure what sort of shape he is in for a championship game!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 17, 2011, 08:42:26 PM
burren 2-14 longstone 2-11 final score
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 17, 2011, 09:10:21 PM
Carryduff reportedly beat Portaferry in the county minor A hurling final in Downpatirck tonight. If the result is confirmed, it will be the first time the title has left the Ards for something like half a century.  Carryfuff were the first non-Ards team to even make the final for about 35 years, after a semi final win over Bredagh, who had previously beaten Ballygalget. Bredagh also won the u14 A title last year, so, at under age level at any rate, the balance of power is changing in Down hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 17, 2011, 09:44:11 PM
Kilclief beat Shamrocks by 3. A deserved win. DJ was entertaining as ever along the line!

Some result for the Carryduff minors. The decline of the Ards teams is worrying though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: duffed on August 17, 2011, 09:56:33 PM
What a match tonight.  Portaferry where quick out of the blocks and led by 1.05 to 0.00 after about 10 minutes.  After that it was all Carryduff and they ran out winners 4.08 to 1.13.  It was sweet revenge from the under 16 final 2 years ago when these same two teams met and Carryduff let an 11 point lead slip.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 17, 2011, 10:04:32 PM
Quote from: duffed on August 17, 2011, 09:56:33 PM
What a match tonight.  Portaferry where quick out of the blocks and led by 1.05 to 0.00 after about 10 minutes.  After that it was all Carryduff and they ran out winners 4.08 to 1.13.  It was sweet revenge from the under 16 final 2 years ago when these same two teams met and Carryduff let an 11 point lead slip.

Well done Carryduff, they've been knocking on the door at underage for a while now. They and Bredagh are putting in the hard work with the juveniles and its paying off.

Now for the hard bit, turning good juvenile hurlers into senior hurlers. Decent juvenile hurlers in the ards are nursed through into senior hurling steadily. Carryduff and Bredagh don't have that luxury at present and will take a few years for that to transfer into adult hurling.

It's all good IMO.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on August 17, 2011, 10:17:27 PM
Morgan Milk SFC Quarter Final Draw:
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Loughinisland v Clonduff
Mayobridge v Burren
Bryansford v Kilcoo

Around a Pound IFC quarter final draw
St John's v Kilclief
Annaclone vs Clan na Banna
Ballymartin vs Bosco
Dundrum v Attical
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on August 17, 2011, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: razor on August 17, 2011, 10:17:27 PM
Morgan Milk SFC Quarter Final Draw:
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Loughinisland v Clonduff
Mayobridge v Burren
Bryansford v Kilcoo

Around a Pound IFC quarter final draw
St John's v Kilclief
Annaclone vs Clan na Banna
Ballymartin vs Bosco
Dundrum v Attical

Fck it'll be hard to predict winners for the SFC bar our game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 17, 2011, 10:25:30 PM
fair play to our nearest and dearest beating portaferry tonight. This will be the first of many times the minor hurling title will leave the ards imho.
I believe they cant represent Down in Ulster as they are classed as an amalgmated team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 17, 2011, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: razor on August 17, 2011, 10:17:27 PM
Morgan Milk SFC Quarter Final Draw:
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Loughinisland v Clonduff
Mayobridge v Burren
Bryansford v Kilcoo

Around a Pound IFC quarter final draw
St John's v Kilclief
Annaclone vs Clan na Banna
Ballymartin vs Bosco
Dundrum v Attical

What a draw. Bridge v Burren and Kilcoo v Ford will be two crackers. Personally delighted with our draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 17, 2011, 10:58:08 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 17, 2011, 10:25:30 PM
fair play to our nearest and dearest beating portaferry tonight. This will be the first of many times the minor hurling title will leave the ards imho.
I believe they cant represent Down in Ulster as they are classed as an amalgmated team?

They're as amalgamated as Cushendall or any other North Antrim team who allow adjoining junior clubs without juvenile teams to play for them.

Are you sure about that Square ball.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: duffed on August 17, 2011, 11:02:07 PM
The team was an amalgation because it had one player from Ballyvarley (who don't have a minor team this year).  The boys from Darragh Cross don't count as an amalgamation as Darragh Cross don't have hurling and the boys joined the nearest hurling team.  Before Carryduff agreed to the amalgamatioon the Hurling Board confirmed as the Ulster Monir Hurling Championship (like the Minor Football) is not organised by the Ulster Council but by an indivdual club and is by invitation then Carryduff could represnt Down.  Carryduff would not have agreed to the amalgamation unless this had been the case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 17, 2011, 11:11:34 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 17, 2011, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: razor on August 17, 2011, 10:17:27 PM
Morgan Milk SFC Quarter Final Draw:
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Loughinisland v Clonduff
Mayobridge v Burren
Bryansford v Kilcoo

Around a Pound IFC quarter final draw
St John's v Kilclief
Annaclone vs Clan na Banna
Ballymartin vs Bosco
Dundrum v Attical

What a draw. Bridge v Burren and Kilcoo v Ford will be two crackers. Personally delighted with our draw.

Can't wait for them two games.
In intermediate, one of the lower division 3 teams are going to be in a semi final. With two of favourites meeting. Beauty of championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 17, 2011, 11:32:51 PM
Congratulations to Carryduff on a fantastic achievement. Picking up a player from Ballyvarley, which must be 25 miles away, is a little unusual at underage level, but it shows the kind of organisation which is needed for a breakthrough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack4ever on August 17, 2011, 11:38:43 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on August 17, 2011, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: razor on August 17, 2011, 10:17:27 PM
Morgan Milk SFC Quarter Final Draw:
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Loughinisland v Clonduff
Mayobridge v Burren
Bryansford v Kilcoo

Around a Pound IFC quarter final draw
St John's v Kilclief
Annaclone vs Clan na Banna
Ballymartin vs Bosco
Dundrum v Attical

Fck it'll be hard to predict winners for the SFC bar our game.

Getting a little cocky there, aren't you???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on August 17, 2011, 11:39:49 PM
Quote from: redandblack4ever on August 17, 2011, 11:38:43 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on August 17, 2011, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: razor on August 17, 2011, 10:17:27 PM
Morgan Milk SFC Quarter Final Draw:
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Loughinisland v Clonduff
Mayobridge v Burren
Bryansford v Kilcoo

Around a Pound IFC quarter final draw
St John's v Kilclief
Annaclone vs Clan na Banna
Ballymartin vs Bosco
Dundrum v Attical

Fck it'll be hard to predict winners for the SFC bar our game.

Getting a little cocky there, aren't you???

No, I think we'll be beat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: duffed on August 18, 2011, 12:05:12 AM
Carryduff took the youngster from Ballyvarley so that he could get minor hurling as they weren't fielding a minor team this year.  He will return to Ballyvarley to play senior hurling and it is brilliant that he'll go back with an "A" Championship medal.  I am sure everyone in Ballyvarley will be proud of him and are happy that Carryduff gave him this opportunity.  He is a credit to Ballyvarley.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on August 18, 2011, 12:53:40 AM
Wonderful game between Burren and the Stone tonight, lit up by Donal O'Hare & Shay McArdle in the two corners for Burren where they prosperd on good direct fast ball, and by an almighty display of athleticsm from Ambrose Rodgers that kept Longstone in touch up until they lost a player to a (correct) red card. Referee has to be commended, let the game flow and despite virulent comments from the Burren supporters was absolutely correct on the penalty call where the defender had ownership of Poland's jersey over a distance of 20 yards or more - which all started off in the square. Couldn't understand Burren taking off Eamon McGovern, a very polished player throughout. McKernan was all over the show to no effect while Higgins again gave the Stone everything.
Credit to both teams who went out to play football and, boy, was it good? Yes it was.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on August 18, 2011, 01:12:38 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 17, 2011, 11:11:34 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 17, 2011, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: razor on August 17, 2011, 10:17:27 PM
Morgan Milk SFC Quarter Final Draw:
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Loughinisland v Clonduff
Mayobridge v Burren
Bryansford v Kilcoo

Around a Pound IFC quarter final draw
St John's v Kilclief
Annaclone vs Clan na Banna
Ballymartin vs Bosco
Dundrum v Attical

What a draw. Bridge v Burren and Kilcoo v Ford will be two crackers. Personally delighted with our draw.

Can't wait for them two games.
In intermediate, one of the lower division 3 teams are going to be in a semi final. With two of favourites meeting. Beauty of championship
Who would that be dundrumite?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 18, 2011, 01:27:26 AM
Quote from: Leo on August 18, 2011, 12:53:40 AM
Wonderful game between Burren and the Stone tonight, lit up by Donal O'Hare & Shay McArdle in the two corners for Burren where they prosperd on good direct fast ball, and by an almighty display of athleticsm from Ambrose Rodgers that kept Longstone in touch up until they lost a player to a (correct) red card. Referee has to be commended, let the game flow and despite virulent comments from the Burren supporters was absolutely correct on the penalty call where the defender had ownership of Poland's jersey over a distance of 20 yards or more - which all started off in the square. Couldn't understand Burren taking off Eamon McGovern, a very polished player throughout. McKernan was all over the show to no effect while Higgins again gave the Stone everything.
Credit to both teams who went out to play football and, boy, was it good? Yes it was.

Exciting game I agree with you leo, but to be honest cannot understand why oh why the stone were so silly again to give those two super footballers in the corner the space they got. Could they not have adapted a sweeper for the night?? Burren played well but its the end of the road for the champions, no doubt at all the bridge will win comfortably by at least 5 or 6. The 2nd game was generally poor and I was disappointed in Clonduff, their tackling was shocking and the amount of free kicks they give away was scarey!! They should beat lisland but that will be it! Rostrevor v Ballyholland had a major brawl in the league so it should be a tasty encounter.The winners will come from the last quarter final the Magpies v The Ford!! What a cracker!!  All in all looking forward to the quarter finals!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 18, 2011, 02:12:41 AM
You have it all worked out eh!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 18, 2011, 08:23:37 AM
Well done Carryduff minors! I know a lot of hard work went into preparing that team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on August 18, 2011, 10:51:35 AM
Quote from: andunabu on August 18, 2011, 01:12:38 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 17, 2011, 11:11:34 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 17, 2011, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: razor on August 17, 2011, 10:17:27 PM
Morgan Milk SFC Quarter Final Draw:
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Loughinisland v Clonduff
Mayobridge v Burren
Bryansford v Kilcoo

Around a Pound IFC quarter final draw
St John's v Kilclief
Annaclone vs Clan na Banna
Ballymartin vs Bosco
Dundrum v Attical

What a draw. Bridge v Burren and Kilcoo v Ford will be two crackers. Personally delighted with our draw.

Can't wait for them two games.
In intermediate, one of the lower division 3 teams are going to be in a semi final. With two of favourites meeting. Beauty of championship
Who would that be dundrumite?

Senior games are all veryeven i would say. I would go for burren kilcoo clonduff and it will be a toss up between ballyholland and rostrevor. i'll stick my neck out and go for ballyholland.

Intermediate seems easier to predict with Kilclief, ballymartin having the easiest game to make semi.  Annaclone and Dundrum should get through in other two ties
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 18, 2011, 11:35:01 AM
Quote from: duffed on August 18, 2011, 12:05:12 AM
Carryduff took the youngster from Ballyvarley so that he could get minor hurling as they weren't fielding a minor team this year.  He will return to Ballyvarley to play senior hurling and it is brilliant that he'll go back with an "A" Championship medal.  I am sure everyone in Ballyvarley will be proud of him and are happy that Carryduff gave him this opportunity.  He is a credit to Ballyvarley.

Congrats to Carryduff and the young lad from Ballyvarley. Hopefully Ballyvarley will be able to round up a minor team in the coming years. Its sad to see a traditional Dwn Hurling club like that unable to field although i am aware that it does have a small population to pick from.
Can only be good for Down Hurling taking the title out of the Ards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 18, 2011, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on August 18, 2011, 11:35:01 AM

Can only be good for Down Hurling taking the title out of the Ards.

Why?

If it spurs on the likes of Liatroim, Newry, Warernpoint, Kilclief and maybe centres of population like Downpatrick and Newcastle with little or no hurling then I'd agree with you.

I think its good that underage hurling in Down is now a five horse race instead of the usual three.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on August 18, 2011, 01:14:47 PM
what dates are the championship matches being played over??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 18, 2011, 01:19:08 PM
Quote from: andunabu on August 18, 2011, 01:12:38 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on August 17, 2011, 11:11:34 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 17, 2011, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: razor on August 17, 2011, 10:17:27 PM
Morgan Milk SFC Quarter Final Draw:
Ballyholland v Rostrevor
Loughinisland v Clonduff
Mayobridge v Burren
Bryansford v Kilcoo

Around a Pound IFC quarter final draw
St John's v Kilclief
Annaclone vs Clan na Banna
Ballymartin vs Bosco
Dundrum v Attical

What a draw. Bridge v Burren and Kilcoo v Ford will be two crackers. Personally delighted with our draw.

Can't wait for them two games.
In intermediate, one of the lower division 3 teams are going to be in a semi final. With two of favourites meeting. Beauty of championship
Who would that be dundrumite?

Ourselves and Attical struggling at the wrong end of 3 with the Clone and Clan na banna the two stronger teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 18, 2011, 01:24:42 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 18, 2011, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on August 18, 2011, 11:35:01 AM

Can only be good for Down Hurling taking the title out of the Ards.

Why?

If it spurs on the likes of Liatroim, Newry, Warernpoint, Kilclief and maybe centres of population like Downpatrick and Newcastle with little or no hurling then I'd agree with you.

How can it not be good for a sport if someone apart from the big 3 wins a trophy.
i will have to take your word for it as i havent lived in Down for over 15 years. But When i played underage,  Downpatrick Newry Shamrocks and Warrenpoint all had an underage set up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 18, 2011, 01:26:14 PM
Matches are the wkend of 9th September.

Burren made hard work of their win last night and will need to improve quite a lot if they are to beat their neighbours.  Will be interesting to see how the young lads inside do against an experienced bridge defence.  Burren have a few players back but the bridge will be certainly up for it after last year and that extra bit of motivation may be enough to get them over the line.

If Castlewellan had of had one Burrens inside forwards they probably would have beat the yella's.  They have got another favourable draw and should progress to the semi finals.

Of the other draws id say Kilcoo will be licking their lips at the chance of getting revenge for last years semi final defeat.  Should be a great game and fancy the magpies to shade it.

The last game will also be an interesting one and should be tight and fiesty given there is previous between the 2 teams.  If Ballyholland play murtagh inside for the 60mins I think they will sneak it.

The pick of the intermediate draw was Annaclone v Banbridge.  Should be a good local derby with plenty of hard hits and Annaclone should just about come out of it with win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 18, 2011, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on August 18, 2011, 01:24:42 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 18, 2011, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on August 18, 2011, 11:35:01 AM

Can only be good for Down Hurling taking the title out of the Ards.

Why?

If it spurs on the likes of Liatroim, Newry, Warernpoint, Kilclief and maybe centres of population like Downpatrick and Newcastle with little or no hurling then I'd agree with you.

How can it not be good for a sport if someone apart from the big 3 wins a trophy.
i will have to take your word for it as i havent lived in Down for over 15 years. But When i played underage,  Downpatrick Newry Shamrocks and Warrenpoint all had an underage set up.

There is juvenile hurling in Warrenpoint and Newry, but there's none in Downpatrick or Newcastle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: THE DADGA on August 19, 2011, 02:59:09 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 18, 2011, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on August 18, 2011, 11:35:01 AM

Can only be good for Down Hurling taking the title out of the Ards.

Why?



Why not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 19, 2011, 05:18:59 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 19, 2011, 04:59:15 PM
Sounds like johnneycool is a bit pished aff that a team from outside the Ards won a hurling competition in Down.

Not in the slightest.

I want the best team in Down to win irrespective of geographical location.

The 'them and us' mentality seems every bit alive and well outside the Ards as it is in it and usually by short sighted morons either side of Strangford Lough.

Carryduff and Bredagh are competing and beating the Ards clubs by raising their standards and that can only be commended.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 19, 2011, 08:47:01 PM
I am just after hearing the magpies were hammered by the Ford.. Maybe the championship isn't a foregone conclusion as everyone in Down is thinking.. I am really looking forward to our meeting with the noisy neighbours. our inside forward is lethal and Shay and Donal(aka the terrible twins) ware going to torture the Bridge defence.  With a few boys back from America  we certainly have the strongest squad in the county and the county knows that and are scared :) come on the lily whites
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 19, 2011, 08:57:59 PM
Div one league
An Riocht 0.15 Saval 3.10
Kilcoo 1.3 Bryansford 3.8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on August 19, 2011, 09:02:16 PM
Clownjim, why are you saying come on ballymartin? Only lilywhites I could think your talking about, unless you meant Kildare? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 20, 2011, 01:44:51 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 19, 2011, 08:57:59 PM
Div one league
An Riocht 0.15 Saval 3.10
Kilcoo 1.3 Bryansford 3.8

bit of a surprise possibly, MDG did yous have a full team out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 20, 2011, 02:34:44 PM
Would be very surprised if that wasnt a reserve team that Kilcoo put out last night. In fact Id be surprised if either team showed anywhere near their full deck. 

Still it must be a long time since a Kilcoo senior team scored 1 3 in a league match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 20, 2011, 02:59:33 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on August 20, 2011, 02:34:44 PM
Would be very surprised if that wasnt a reserve team that Kilcoo put out last night. In fact Id be surprised if either team showed anywhere near their full deck. 

Still it must be a long time since a Kilcoo senior team scored 1 3 in a league match.
was thinking that myself but I wanted to be sure especially given there are well in front in the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on August 21, 2011, 02:38:29 AM
Quote from: downjim on August 19, 2011, 08:47:01 PM
I am just after hearing the magpies were hammered by the Ford.. Maybe the championship isn't a foregone conclusion as everyone in Down is thinking.. I am really looking forward to our meeting with the noisy neighbours. our inside forward is lethal and Shay and Donal(aka the terrible twins) ware going to torture the Bridge defence.  With a few boys back from America  we certainly have the strongest squad in the county and the county knows that and are scared :) come on the lily whites
Where in Newry are you from Downjim???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 21, 2011, 12:32:55 PM
Central Council has avoided the temptation to meddle with the format of the Allianz FL and left the current four divisions of eight teams in place.

A proposal was in place to change the current setup of the top two divisions, replacing Divisions 1 and 2 with two groups randomly made up of the top 16 teams.

This drew much criticism, especially from managers who felt there was a distinct difference in standard between the top two tiers.

It was decided yesterday to keep the current format with semi-finals now introduced in Division 1 only.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on August 21, 2011, 12:59:26 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 21, 2011, 12:32:55 PM
Central Council has avoided the temptation to meddle with the format of the Allianz FL and left the current four divisions of eight teams in place.

A proposal was in place to change the current setup of the top two divisions, replacing Divisions 1 and 2 with two groups randomly made up of the top 16 teams.

This drew much criticism, especially from managers who felt there was a distinct difference in standard between the top two tiers.

It was decided yesterday to keep the current format with semi-finals now introduced in Division 1 only.

Thank god this has happened... It would be tough on Donegal and Laois if they were stuck in division 1b playing most teams from last year - when they gained promotion away from them...

Few league game stoday - think i will go to the Burren v Rostrevor game as it has a good billing.  Last time out Rostrevor won both the game and the fight - should be interesting tussle...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 21, 2011, 04:16:35 PM
Harps did their best to throw away a halftime lead again V Clonduff. Scraped through by a point. Other results went our way with Rostrevor & Longstone both getting beaten.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 21, 2011, 09:37:09 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 21, 2011, 04:16:35 PM
Harps did their best to throw away a halftime lead again V Clonduff. Scraped through by a point. Other results went our way with Rostrevor & Longstone both getting beaten.

Clonduff 0.12  Ballyhollland 1.10
Mayobridge 2.13 Longstone 0.13
Burren 2.12 Rostrevor 0.14  not sure of correct score there.

If Ballyholland and Rostrevor get another 2 points to 15 in League they should be safe for another year while An Riocht, Longstone and Clonduff will be involve in play off.

Ballyholland and Saval has done well this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on August 22, 2011, 09:27:40 AM
Getting to the business end of the leagues now and just looking at the tables especially division 2, there is a clear old division one/division two split forming. Personally i would have expected there to be more of a mix in positions. Does the new league system finally clarify there is a distinct gap between div 1 and 2 standard?

On the other hand, looking at some of the intermediate championship results, i dont think the gap between half div 2 and div 3 being all that excessive. Which brings me to my next point. How will play offs go this year. Will it be top 3 with 2 going up or top 4 with 2 going up. Vice-versa with relegation???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on August 22, 2011, 10:15:08 AM
James McCartan to get a new backroom team next season reported in todays Irish News - both Tally and McIvor are to be replaced.

Any recommendations?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on August 22, 2011, 10:35:47 AM
I always thought Declan Mussen a top trainer . His college teams were always in tip top condition . He was there with Ross and DJ so would know all involved and everything about the players . I was concerned with the amount of injuries this year was it down to training ? Too many hamstring injuries at one time imo . I think you could have to much input into a team . With 4 men giving there opinion someone still needs to take charge . The buck stops with James too many cooks and all that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 22, 2011, 10:50:49 AM
A lot of people including myself would have felt Saval and Ballyholland would have been battling it out in the relegation spots so an enormous amount of credit must go to these sides, with 10 teams in division 1 there are no easy games and is probably one of the most competitive leagues in the province.

On the issue of James new trainer/selector/coach, surely the likes of Frank Dawson or Shane Mulholland would add experience and a knowledge of preparing teams plus both have proven to be tactically efficient in the way their club sides are set up? Not sure about Declan Mussen, great trainer but he s old school, players dont want to spend 3 or 4 days a week running around Tullymore forest anymore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 22, 2011, 11:26:28 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 22, 2011, 10:50:49 AM
A lot of people including myself would have felt Saval and Ballyholland would have been battling it out in the relegation spots so an enormous amount of credit must go to these sides, with 10 teams in division 1 there are no easy games and is probably one of the most competitive leagues in the province.

On the issue of James new trainer/selector/coach, surely the likes of Frank Dawson or Shane Mulholland would add experience and a knowledge of preparing teams plus both have proven to be tactically efficient in the way their club sides are set up? Not sure about Declan Mussen, great trainer but he s old school, players dont want to spend 3 or 4 days a week running around Tullymore forest anymore.
Hands off....he can have Dawson if he wants...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on August 22, 2011, 11:33:37 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 22, 2011, 11:26:28 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 22, 2011, 10:50:49 AM
A lot of people including myself would have felt Saval and Ballyholland would have been battling it out in the relegation spots so an enormous amount of credit must go to these sides, with 10 teams in division 1 there are no easy games and is probably one of the most competitive leagues in the province.

On the issue of James new trainer/selector/coach, surely the likes of Frank Dawson or Shane Mulholland would add experience and a knowledge of preparing teams plus both have proven to be tactically efficient in the way their club sides are set up? Not sure about Declan Mussen, great trainer but he s old school, players dont want to spend 3 or 4 days a week running around Tullymore forest anymore.
Hands off....he can have Dawson if he wants...

Maybe he is crossing the Clanrye to become POR's supercoach ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 22, 2011, 11:53:12 AM
When We Win, there have been clear gaps in Down football's hierarchy since as long as I can remember; this year tells us nothing new.

There's always 5-6 teams who don't have to do much apart from turn up to ensure Division I football, there's another 5-6 who can give the big guns a game and are fit for Division I but don't have enough class to win a SFC, then there's 5-6 who are a good step ahead of the rest of the teams in the county, but need their first 15 all fit and flying to stand half a chance against the big guns. They've been the yoyo teams since the early 1990s.

What the new league structures mean though is that there are now 5-6 of that third group of teams playing in Division II each year, so there is very little chance of a "poor team" having the season of their lives, and making Division 1 football again. Getting into Division I is going to be almost as tough as staying there for the foreseeable future.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 22, 2011, 12:14:27 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on August 22, 2011, 10:15:08 AM
James McCartan to get a new backroom team next season reported in todays Irish News - both Tally and McIvor are to be replaced.

Any recommendations?

It appeared that Tally was getting too much of a say in things, but i would have kept McIvor on board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on August 22, 2011, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 22, 2011, 11:53:12 AM
When We Win, there have been clear gaps in Down football's hierarchy since as long as I can remember; this year tells us nothing new.

There's always 5-6 teams who don't have to do much apart from turn up to ensure Division I football, there's another 5-6 who can give the big guns a game and are fit for Division I but don't have enough class to win a SFC, then there's 5-6 who are a good step ahead of the rest of the teams in the county, but need their first 15 all fit and flying to stand half a chance against the big guns. They've been the yoyo teams since the early 1990s.

What the new league structures mean though is that there are now 5-6 of that third group of teams playing in Division II each year, so there is very little chance of a "poor team" having the season of their lives, and making Division 1 football again. Getting into Division I is going to be almost as tough as staying there for the foreseeable future.

So how will the playoff positions work Wobbler. Is it top four playing off with two up two down? A few teams may get used to playing each other regularly in the lower ranks for a few years to come.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 22, 2011, 01:17:56 PM
If Ballyholland and Saval both stay up which is looking likely at this stage it must be the first time in a long time that both the promoted sides have stayed up. 

Clonduffs slide along with Castlewellan last year must show there is a slight changing of the guard in terms of mid rank division 1 teams.  It would be hard to imagine even 5 years ago these 2 sides being a division lower than the harps and Saval.  And that is with no disrespect to either Ballyholland or saval, more how far they have come on and how far back both Castlewellan and Clonduff have gone.

On the county management I am not too dispondent at Tally leaving.  Would have liked to see McIvor staying but so be it.  A new selector would be alot easier than finding a new coach and this may have to come from outside the county.  Please let it not be Poucher, they couldnt be that daft..............................could they????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on August 22, 2011, 01:38:17 PM
What is the general opinion on Poucher? Personally I would say he is a bit of a clown, just going by the things he comes out with along the line and being so animated. But there might be something to say for him, hes enthusiastic about the game and training etc, who am I to say thats a bad thing? :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on August 22, 2011, 01:54:30 PM
The Yo Yo teams in Down. Is the Yo Yo changing however.

In all honesty, over the last 10/15 years, the Yo Yo teams were Ballyholland, Saval, Loughinisland and Warrenpoint. In a 2 up/2 down situation they are probably the 4 teams who have been promoted/relegated the most.

Ballyholland and Saval have improved without doubt to the standard of Division 1 teams, while Warrenpoint appear to have declined to the standard of Division 2.

That leaves Loughinisland of the old Yo Yo teams who are probably still in that zone.  Who will replace the other 3?

Castlewellan no doubt see themselves as a Division 1 team, but will they cut the mustard next year when they get there. Liatrom were Division 1 for many years so perhaps they will come into the equation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on August 22, 2011, 01:56:18 PM
Eagle i hope you are joking   about Poucher . The way he behaved this year with the u 21 team this year was nothing but a disgrace . I for one would be ashamed to see him along the line . Causes trouble all the time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on August 22, 2011, 02:21:37 PM
Well I did say i think he is a clown myself. Just thought he may have a case, sure the Kingdom obviously like having him around? He must have a great relationship with players, or be a good coach? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 22, 2011, 02:24:00 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 22, 2011, 11:26:28 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 22, 2011, 10:50:49 AM
A lot of people including myself would have felt Saval and Ballyholland would have been battling it out in the relegation spots so an enormous amount of credit must go to these sides, with 10 teams in division 1 there are no easy games and is probably one of the most competitive leagues in the province.

On the issue of James new trainer/selector/coach, surely the likes of Frank Dawson or Shane Mulholland would add experience and a knowledge of preparing teams plus both have proven to be tactically efficient in the way their club sides are set up? Not sure about Declan Mussen, great trainer but he s old school, players dont want to spend 3 or 4 days a week running around Tullymore forest anymore.
Hands off....he can have Dawson if he wants...

Ha ha 5 Sams very good.  :D

On the Poucher issue, good coach from all reports but your right a bit of a liability on the sidelines, anything could happen, but sure you could plant him in the stands on match day with a straight jacket on, that would solve the problem   :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 22, 2011, 02:53:06 PM
Player perception has an awful lot do with management and coaching, and regardless of his abilities as a coach, I don't see (particularly the older players) having enough respect for Poacher for him to be a success. In order to get a team of adult men to run 20 back-to-back 100 metre sprints, they need to believe in you and your methods.

Maybe in a decade or so, but not now.


When We Win, when Divisions 1 and 2 are settled as 10 team leagues, it'll be 3 team play-offs at the top and bottom. Over the past few years in Division II football, when it was 4 out of 12, any of the better teams smart enough to focus on home and away wins against the weaker 6 teams, were more or less guaranteed a promotion play-off with a couple of other wins. That's not going to be the case anymore. There'll only be one or two weak teams, at most, in the league. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on August 22, 2011, 04:30:19 PM
A coach is for coaching on the training field and come match day should be well out of the way as if he has belief in his own ability the coaching he has done should be working on the field.  If the coach is in the stand then he can sit and observe what needs to be done at the next training(s).  The coach should not be roaring instructions onto the field during play as thats the managers job.  If Declan Mussen or Poacher are the right men for the job then give it to hem no matter what a player likes or doesnt like doing.  Maybe wee James has his mate Aidan O'Rourke lined up for the job??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on August 22, 2011, 04:35:46 PM
Couldnt see Aiden o Rourke coming to Down all the same might be wrong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 22, 2011, 11:22:32 PM
Sean O'Hare should be given a chance!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 22, 2011, 11:43:46 PM
He is too busy with the council:) Though him and pat garvey were great under twelve managers for us many moons ago :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on August 23, 2011, 08:29:33 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 22, 2011, 11:43:46 PM
He is too busy with the council:) Though him and pat garvey were great under twelve managers for us many moons ago :)
Stop the bullshit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on August 23, 2011, 09:05:09 AM
Is Sean O Hare not still with Armagh or not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on August 23, 2011, 02:13:12 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on August 23, 2011, 09:05:09 AM
Is Sean O Hare not still with Armagh or not

Is he what we are looking for at the minute though?? I think he could be like poacher and is bit crazy on the line - give him a few years before getting this post.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 23, 2011, 06:09:11 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on August 23, 2011, 08:29:33 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 22, 2011, 11:43:46 PM
He is too busy with the council:) Though him and pat garvey were great under twelve managers for us many moons ago :)
Stop the bullshit


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on August 24, 2011, 07:46:47 AM
In all seriousness, Stephen Poacher is the best trainer in the county, so therefore is an obvious choice to be in the background team. His training drill are always high intensity, has a great passion for the game ( maybe too much at times  ;)) but sure give the man his place on merit. Always coming up with new drills, all base on the game and getting the best out of the players, has a great respect for everyone the plays under him, and thats what matters!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on August 24, 2011, 10:47:19 AM
Was looking to hear what you would think Ned, as a kingdom man. Thats why I said what I did. He is apparently a good coach and his enthusiasm is there for all to see. The thing is if he was brought into a Down setup, then he will have to stay within his coaching capacity, rather than being so mental along the line! :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 24, 2011, 01:10:30 PM
Apart from being abrasive, controversal and a general loud mouth along the line what exactly has Poucher done to deserve to be considered as part of the down management setup?

Any half decent manager would have taken the current group of kingdom players out of division 2.  Dont think he has had a championship run in the time he has been there and the less said about his time with the under 21's the better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 24, 2011, 03:11:06 PM
If I were the Down County Board then I would be pulling out all the stops to get Aidan O'Rourke on board. The man has an excellent set of credentials and anyone who ever played under him at Queens has a very high opinion of him.

He is tactically very good, adept at training and has had past history of working with Wee James. He is the obvious choice to join the management setup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on August 24, 2011, 03:16:54 PM
It would look as if its going that way alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 24, 2011, 09:02:05 PM
Is there any truth in this or is it rumours based on James and Aidan being old pals?

Also is he a coach or a selector?  I think there needs to be a distinction between the 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 24, 2011, 10:18:31 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on August 24, 2011, 01:10:30 PM
Apart from being abrasive, controversal and a general loud mouth along the line what exactly has Poucher done to deserve to be considered as part of the down management setup?

Any half decent manager would have taken the current group of kingdom players out of division 2.  Dont think he has had a championship run in the time he has been there and the less said about his time with the under 21's the better.

You really have it in for him WGM lol  ;D,  Didnt he coach his school to an all ireland title a few years back? anyone know what age Poucher is by the way??

Interestingly enough when you look at most good coaches, majority seem to be teachers for some reason?

Aidan O Rourkes new job in Queens could be a huge stumbling block regarding time. But he does seem the most obvious candidate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 24, 2011, 10:30:02 PM
Don't no the man personally but his antics along the line go way over the top.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on August 25, 2011, 08:48:05 PM
Hopefully Castlewellan will seal promotion tomorrow night and will have Div 1 football to look forward to next season. it's going to be tight as to who joins us but I fancy Liatroim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on August 25, 2011, 09:38:42 PM
i seen in a paper today that it could be october before a new coach etc is appointed - whyis there such a delay?? Just approach some of these people mentioned above and get the thing sorted and underway quickly... by oct alot of coaches are tied up with clubs etc for the next year...
Title: Div 3
Post by: No1 on August 25, 2011, 09:50:02 PM
Kilclief beaten up in Tullylish tonight by 2 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 26, 2011, 12:14:15 AM
Anyone else notice that Ciaran Woods did a cut and paste job on this thread for his article in the Gaelic Life today on page 3. All the names mentioned as potentials on here for the new Down selectors were regurgitated :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 26, 2011, 01:01:59 AM
Thought as much when I read it earlier on, didn't know if I was bein too cynical, clearly not!
Title: Re: Div 3
Post by: DownFanatic on August 26, 2011, 01:19:40 AM
Quote from: No1 on August 25, 2011, 09:50:02 PM
Kilclief beaten up in Tullylish tonight by 2 points.

How many IFC Finals did you's get to in the past while No 1?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 26, 2011, 12:27:05 PM
QuoteHow many IFC Finals did you's get to in the past while No 1?

Only one in 2003 when Shane Mulholland and Rony Murtagh Ballyholland stuffed us by 8 points.  Barry Breen trained us that year and had limited input into team selection, big mistake in my eyes.  In saying that, Murtagh ALWAYS tortured us.

We've lost in a shitload of IFC semi finals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 26, 2011, 08:28:01 PM
Mayobridge 1.14 clonduff 1.10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 26, 2011, 08:54:24 PM
Dundrum 0-16 Glenn 1-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on August 26, 2011, 08:58:56 PM
is this score below rite
Atticall   0-310   0-4   Mitchels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 26, 2011, 09:01:29 PM
Quote from: dundroma on August 26, 2011, 08:58:56 PM
is this score below rite
Atticall   0-310   0-4   Mitchels
[/quote

A 306 point victory. I wouldn't think it some how.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 26, 2011, 09:04:33 PM
Rostrevor 0-10 Kilcoo 0-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 26, 2011, 09:06:43 PM
Harps beat Saval by 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 26, 2011, 09:07:08 PM
Rostrevor 0-10 Kilcoo 0-13

A deserved 3 point victory that leaves us requiring another win to guarantee a league final place against a Rostrevor side that made us fight all the way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on August 26, 2011, 09:15:41 PM
Hard fought win tonight for Ballyholland good turn around in 1 st half and pushed on from that .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Long Ball on August 26, 2011, 09:40:54 PM
Castlewellan 3-14 Drumgath 2-16- draw would have been a fairer result but who cares- THE TOWN ARE BACK IN DIV 1!!!!!
Where we belong!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 27, 2011, 12:13:29 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on August 26, 2011, 09:15:41 PM
Hard fought win tonight for Ballyholland good turn around in 1 st half and pushed on from that .
Saval went 4 nil up in the first 10 mins...after that Harps dominated...wasteful shootin and poor decision making by our boys flattered Saval...not safe yet but not far away ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 28, 2011, 03:12:41 PM
PRFC Semi Final

Rostrevor 0-22 An Rioct 0-00
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on August 28, 2011, 06:00:04 PM
we played defensive to stop rostrevor scoring goals
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on August 28, 2011, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: extra time on August 28, 2011, 06:00:04 PM
we played defensive to stop rostrevor scoring goals
A bit like Donegal yous also forgot to attack
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on August 29, 2011, 01:11:56 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on August 24, 2011, 07:46:47 AM
In all seriousness, Stephen Poacher is the best trainer in the county, so therefore is an obvious choice to be in the background team. His training drill are always high intensity, has a great passion for the game ( maybe too much at times  ;)) but sure give the man his place on merit. Always coming up with new drills, all base on the game and getting the best out of the players, has a great respect for everyone the plays under him, and thats what matters!

What about this great trainer pushing the referee at full time in their game with burren on friday night... i hope james uses his head and dont go near him with a barge pole.... disgrace trying to put off a young burren player hitting a sideline at the end of the game and then the altercation with the ref... Kingdom would do well to remove him... Maybe too much at times is the understatement of the year.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on August 29, 2011, 09:53:23 AM
Pauly2 as said before Poacher is a complete head the ball and shoud never be let near a line for Down . His behaviour is shameful and is an embarrasment . Really what has he actually done for the Kingdom have they not gone back from Pete had them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 29, 2011, 05:25:39 PM
Quote from: extra time on August 28, 2011, 06:00:04 PM
we played defensive to stop rostrevor scoring goals

game plan worked a treat then!!  :)

Any word of days or times for Senior Championship q/f?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on August 30, 2011, 08:20:24 AM
Quote from: supersub on August 29, 2011, 05:25:39 PM
Quote from: extra time on August 28, 2011, 06:00:04 PM
we played defensive to stop rostrevor scoring goals

game plan worked a treat then!!  :)

Any word of days or times for Senior Championship q/f?

friday 9th september Newry - Burren v Mayobridge
                                         Annaclone v Clanna Banna

Sat 10th September Downpatrick - Clonduff v Loughinisland

Sunday 11th September - Newry - Rostrevor v Ballyholland
                                                Kilcoo v Bryansford



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on August 30, 2011, 08:30:06 AM
I wouldn say we've gone back, Pete picked us up in division 2, won it and div 1, the left us back in division 2, if poacher keeps us un division 1 this year, maybe be an even keel.. Although Pete never won a championship match with us, Poacher did!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on August 30, 2011, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on August 30, 2011, 08:20:24 AM
Quote from: supersub on August 29, 2011, 05:25:39 PM
Quote from: extra time on August 28, 2011, 06:00:04 PM
we played defensive to stop rostrevor scoring goals

game plan worked a treat then!!  :)

Any word of days or times for Senior Championship q/f?

friday 9th september Newry - Burren v Mayobridge
                                         Annaclone v Clanna Banna

Sat 10th September Downpatrick - Clonduff v Loughinisland

Sunday 11th September - Newry - Rostrevor v Ballyholland
                                                Kilcoo v Bryansford

Is this definetly confirmed??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 31, 2011, 08:52:53 PM
Bosco 1-10  Kilclief 1-12 in Division 3 last night.
Title: Div 3
Post by: No1 on September 01, 2011, 11:45:46 AM
Kilclief keeper saved a last minute penalty.  The most biased refereeing performance I've seen in a long time, sometimes you are up against more than the opposing team in South Down. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 01, 2011, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on August 30, 2011, 08:20:24 AM
Quote from: supersub on August 29, 2011, 05:25:39 PM
Quote from: extra time on August 28, 2011, 06:00:04 PM
we played defensive to stop rostrevor scoring goals

game plan worked a treat then!!  :)

Any word of days or times for Senior Championship q/f?

friday 9th september Newry - Burren v Mayobridge
                                         Annaclone v Clanna Banna

Sat 10th September Downpatrick - Clonduff v Loughinisland

Sunday 11th September - Newry - Rostrevor v Ballyholland
                                                Kilcoo v Bryansford

ANY TIMES ON THESE GAMES???
Title: Re: Div 3
Post by: maldini on September 01, 2011, 03:28:55 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 01, 2011, 11:45:46 AM
Kilclief keeper saved a last minute penalty.  The most biased refereeing performance I've seen in a long time, sometimes you are up against more than the opposing team in South Down.

Who was the ref?

The ref didn't give Darragh much up there last Friday either, and the last 2 times we've been there they've been awarded penalties.

Its hard to beat a Newry team with a Newry ref in charge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 01, 2011, 04:16:11 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 01, 2011, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on August 30, 2011, 08:20:24 AM
Quote from: supersub on August 29, 2011, 05:25:39 PM
Quote from: extra time on August 28, 2011, 06:00:04 PM
we played defensive to stop rostrevor scoring goals

game plan worked a treat then!!  :)

Any word of days or times for Senior Championship q/f?

friday 9th september Newry - Burren v Mayobridge
                                         Annaclone v Clanna Banna

Sat 10th September Downpatrick - Clonduff v Loughinisland

Sunday 11th September - Newry - Rostrevor v Ballyholland
                                                Kilcoo v Bryansford

ANY TIMES ON THESE GAMES???

annaclone game at 6pm
burren game at 7.30pm under lights

not sure about time of clonduff game

sunday games are at same time as friday games..

apparently this is the way its laid out.... Any word of a coach yet???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 01, 2011, 05:11:13 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on September 01, 2011, 04:16:11 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 01, 2011, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on August 30, 2011, 08:20:24 AM
Quote from: supersub on August 29, 2011, 05:25:39 PM
Quote from: extra time on August 28, 2011, 06:00:04 PM
we played defensive to stop rostrevor scoring goals

game plan worked a treat then!!  :)

Any word of days or times for Senior Championship q/f?

friday 9th september Newry - Burren v Mayobridge
                                         Annaclone v Clanna Banna

Sat 10th September Downpatrick - Clonduff v Loughinisland

Sunday 11th September - Newry - Rostrevor v Ballyholland
                                                Kilcoo v Bryansford

ANY TIMES ON THESE GAMES???

annaclone game at 6pmburren game at 7.30pm under lights

not sure about time of clonduff game

sunday games are at same time as friday games..

apparently this is the way its laid out.... Any word of a coach yet???

On a friday night??? What is the thinking here?? Where did you get this information from, cant see that being true!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on September 01, 2011, 07:11:55 PM
heard the bridge game was at 8 30
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 01, 2011, 07:17:36 PM
Quote from: superblues on September 01, 2011, 07:11:55 PM
heard the bridge game was at 8 30

Yes, I would say that would be more sensible, 7pm and 8.30pm on a friday night. The other 2 on Sunday will probably be 6pm and 7.30pm. With the 2nd game under lights.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 01, 2011, 08:32:51 PM
Division 3
Dundrum 0-08  Darragh Cross 4-19

Marcus Miskelly would be well worth a shot at the county panel judging not just on tonight's performance but on this season as a whole.

St Johns 3-07  Bosco 1-11 was also played.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 01, 2011, 11:13:30 PM
RFC Semi Final Replay
Wed 7th Sept (7 30)
Burren
Rostrevor v Warrenpoint(R Barry)

Pairc Esler
Fri Sept 16th
RFC Final(7 00)

ACPRFC Final(8 30)
Rostrevor v Kilcoo

Sat Sept 17th
IHC Final
Downpatrick(4 00)
Liatroim v Kilclief

Minor B Championship
Tues Sept 27th(7 30)
St Johns v Bosco in Kilcoo
Loughinisland v Tullylish in Newcastle

Minor A Championship Semi-finals
Wed Sept 28th(7 30)
Kilcoo v Burren in Mayobridge
Warrenpoint v Rostrevor in Newry

      Senior Championship                     
Date            Time            Venue   Referee   Line 1   Line 2   4th Official
Fri     9/9/11    8.30 pm   Mayobridge   v   Burren    Newry   G Corrigan   D Laverty   O Burke   D Carolan
Sat  10/9/11   5.00 pm   Loughinisland   v   Clonduff   Downpatrick   C Reynolds    M Brady   P McCartan   A Sharvin
Sun 11/9/11   5.00 pm   Ballyholland   v   Rostrevor   Newry   C Brannagan   D Brogan   G Corrigan   D Ryan
Sun 11/9/11   6.30 pm   Kilcoo   v   Bryansford   Newry   B Rice   L Smith   E O'Hare   D Kearns
                           
      Intermediate Championship                     
Fri     9/9/11   7.00 pm   Clann na Banna   v   Annaclone    Newry   K Trainor   B Rice   C Brannagan   D Cotter
Sun  11/9/11   2.00 pm   St John's   v   Kilclief   Castlewellan   C Mooney   A Sharvin   D Ryan   J McMullan
Sun 11/9/11   3.30 pm   Ballymartin   v   Bosco   Castlewellan   O Burke   M Rawlinson   P Toner   C McAlinden
Sat 10/9/11   3.30 pm   Dundrum   v   Atticall   Downpatrick   D Laverty   S Lowey   K Trainor   N Morgan
                           
      Junior Championship                     
Thurs 8/9/11   7.30 pm   Saul   v   Bredagh   Newcastle   F Laverty         
Sun    11/9/11   2.00 pm   St Paul's   v   Dromara   Carryduff   R Barry         
Sun    11/9/11   2.00 pm   St Michael's   v   Teconnaught   Liatroim   R Lyons         
Sun    11/9/11   3.30 pm   Aghaderg   v   Bright   Liatroim   K McMahon         
                           
      Senior Hurling                     
Sun   11/9/11   5.00 pm   Bredagh   v   Portaferry   Ballycran   P Braniff   N Morgan   HP Mc Cusker   C O Flynn
Sat    10/9/11   3.00 pm   Ballycran   v   Ballygalget   Portaferry   D Magee   D Carr   D Kearns   L Quinn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on September 01, 2011, 11:26:25 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 01, 2011, 08:32:51 PM
Division 3
Dundrum 0-08  Darragh Cross 4-19

Marcus Miskelly would be well worth a shot at the county panel judging not just on tonight's performance but on this season as a whole.

St Johns 3-07  Bosco 1-11 was also played.

to be fair Marcus has been playing really well for years and never had a look. I would rate him above john McAreevey, Micky Magee and Paul. On tonights performance it would have been difficult to pick out Paul as a county player yet a number of the Darragh players really looked on form. A complete performance. Dundrum really do blow hot and cold. Some of their results look like they are turning a corner then they play like they did tonight. Whats happening down there these days DF.

Darragh Cross must be disappointed with thier season start.

Maybe next year Darragh, C'duff and Bredagh should enter the Senior C'ship!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 02, 2011, 12:39:04 AM
To be fair Paul preparation wasn't ideal in sense he had a 3 hour  accountancy exam earlier  and only arrived 5 mins before throw in. Marcus always has been a class act when I see some of the players that was in the set up 4 or 5 years ago it baffles me how he never at least warranted a trial. He certain deserves at least that. The enigma that is Dundrum continues
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on September 02, 2011, 01:09:58 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 01, 2011, 11:13:30 PM
RFC Semi Final Replay
Wed 7th Sept (7 30)
Burren
Rostrevor v Warrenpoint(R Barry)

Pairc Esler
Fri Sept 16th
RFC Final(7 00)

ACPRFC Final(8 30)
Rostrevor v Kilcoo

Sat Sept 17th
IHC Final
Downpatrick(4 00)
Liatroim v Kilclief

Minor B Championship
Tues Sept 27th(7 30)
St Johns v Bosco in Kilcoo
Loughinisland v Tullylish in Newcastle

Minor A Championship Semi-finals
Wed Sept 28th(7 30)
Kilcoo v Burren in Mayobridge
Warrenpoint v Rostrevor in Newry

      Senior Championship                     
Date            Time            Venue   Referee   Line 1   Line 2   4th Official
Fri     9/9/11    8.30 pm   Mayobridge   v   Burren    Newry   G Corrigan   D Laverty   O Burke   D Carolan
Sat  10/9/11   5.00 pm   Loughinisland   v   Clonduff   Downpatrick   C Reynolds    M Brady   P McCartan   A Sharvin
Sun 11/9/11   5.00 pm   Ballyholland   v   Rostrevor   Newry   C Brannagan   D Brogan   G Corrigan   D Ryan
Sun 11/9/11   6.30 pm   Kilcoo   v   Bryansford   Newry   B Rice   L Smith   E O’Hare   D Kearns
                           
      Intermediate Championship                     
Fri     9/9/11   7.00 pm   Clann na Banna   v   Annaclone    Newry   K Trainor   B Rice   C Brannagan   D Cotter
Sun  11/9/11   2.00 pm   St John’s   v   Kilclief   Castlewellan   C Mooney   A Sharvin   D Ryan   J McMullan
Sun 11/9/11   3.30 pm   Ballymartin   v   Bosco   Castlewellan   O Burke   M Rawlinson   P Toner   C McAlinden
Sat 10/9/11   3.30 pm   Dundrum   v   Atticall   Downpatrick   D Laverty   S Lowey   K Trainor   N Morgan
                           
      Junior Championship                     
Thurs 8/9/11   7.30 pm   Saul   v   Bredagh   Newcastle   F Laverty         
Sun    11/9/11   2.00 pm   St Paul’s   v   Dromara   Carryduff   R Barry         
Sun    11/9/11   2.00 pm   St Michael’s   v   Teconnaught   Liatroim   R Lyons         
Sun    11/9/11   3.30 pm   Aghaderg   v   Bright   Liatroim   K McMahon         
                           
      Senior Hurling                     
Sun   11/9/11   5.00 pm   Bredagh   v   Portaferry   Ballycran   P Braniff   N Morgan   HP Mc Cusker   C O Flynn
Sat    10/9/11   3.00 pm   Ballycran   v   Ballygalget   Portaferry   D Magee   D Carr   D Kearns   L Quinn


Thank you for clearing this up DownFanatic. Some of the venues do not make any sense to me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 02, 2011, 10:00:40 AM

      Senior Championship                     
Date            Time            Venue   Referee   Line 1   Line 2   4th Official

Sat  10/9/11   5.00 pm   Loughinisland   v   Clonduff   Downpatrick   C Reynolds    M Brady   P McCartan   A Sharvin
            
                     
      Senior Hurling                     

Sat    10/9/11   3.00 pm   Ballycran   v   Ballygalget   Portaferry   D Magee   D Carr   D Kearns   L Quinn


Busy day for big Magic.

Thankfully the hurling is on first
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 02, 2011, 12:33:59 PM
QuoteWho was the ref?

The ref didn't give Darragh much up there last Friday either, and the last 2 times we've been there they've been awarded penalties.

Its hard to beat a Newry team with a Newry ref in charge

Leo Smith.

QuoteMaybe next year Darragh, C'duff and Bredagh should enter the Senior C'ship!!!

Do you not think Bredagh and Carryduff have plenty of blow-ins to be getting along with?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on September 02, 2011, 01:28:28 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 02, 2011, 12:33:59 PM
QuoteWho was the ref?

The ref didn't give Darragh much up there last Friday either, and the last 2 times we've been there they've been awarded penalties.

Its hard to beat a Newry team with a Newry ref in charge

Leo Smith.

QuoteMaybe next year Darragh, C'duff and Bredagh should enter the Senior C'ship!!!

very true. not sure the mix would get along quite as well as ask lescale.

Do you not think Bredagh and Carryduff have plenty of blow-ins to be getting along with?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on September 02, 2011, 01:40:52 PM
Re Bredagh & blow-ins.

I know I'm rising to the bait - but Bredagh is virtually all local lads now at senior level.

EG last nights team vs St Paul's had 13 lads from the road. No Derry men! One Tyrone man - and Niall Mulholland (ex Teconnaght)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 02, 2011, 02:55:38 PM
Quote from: lecale4 on September 02, 2011, 01:40:52 PM
Re Bredagh & blow-ins.

I know I'm rising to the bait - but Bredagh is virtually all local lads now at senior level.

EG last nights team vs St Paul's had 13 lads from the road. No Derry men! One Tyrone man - and Niall Mulholland (ex Teconnaght)

Good addition there. Mulholland was centre half forward on the Down Minor team in 2006.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 02, 2011, 08:26:22 PM
ACFL Division 1

Kilcoo 1-8 Burren 0-11
Clonduff  0-10  Longstone 1-6
Saval  1-9  Mayobridge 3-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 02, 2011, 08:33:37 PM
Division 1
Bryansford 2-14  Rostrevor 2-08

Entertaining game which finished in darkness. Ford were always the stronger team and should of had Rostrevor put away earlier. 1-08 to 0-05 to the home team at halftime. Rostrevor finished strong. Ford got a goal with last kick of the game.

Danny Savage, Conor Maginn and Luke Howard were brilliant for the winners.

15 against 15 there isn't much to separate between Kilcoo and Bryansford. Advantage Kilcoo have is that they have much superior bench than the Ford. Should be a cracker next weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 02, 2011, 08:41:10 PM
Ballyholland 2 - 13  Kingdom 1 - 12 . Martin Clarke sent off about 3 to 4 mins to go should of got a straight red in the 1st half for an awful challenge on Joe Murphy . Good game which Harps fought really hard to grind out a result
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 02, 2011, 08:48:50 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 02, 2011, 08:33:37 PM
Division 1
Bryansford 2-14  Rostrevor 2-08

Entertaining game which finished in darkness. Ford were always the stronger team and should of had Rostrevor put away earlier. 1-08 to 0-05 to the home team at halftime. Rostrevor finished strong. Ford got a goal with last kick of the game.

Danny Savage, Conor Maginn and Luke Howard were brilliant for the winners.

15 against 15 there isn't much to separate between Kilcoo and Bryansford. Advantage Kilcoo have is that they have much superior bench than the Ford. Should be a cracker next weekend.

Judging ourselves in the last 3 league games and the Liatriom game in championship id honestly say its advantage Bryansford. Unless we rediscover our mid season form for next week we will have great difficulty in taking the scalp of our neighbours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 02, 2011, 08:54:21 PM
Meant to add Poacher at his normal carry on along the line involved with a confrontation with the Ballyholland subs and management team
Title: Div 3
Post by: No1 on September 02, 2011, 09:07:32 PM
Kilclief beat Carryduff by a point at home tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 02, 2011, 09:11:56 PM
Div on League
Outstanding game
An Riocht v Longstone next Sat at 4pm

Remaining games

Ballyholland;    Mayobridge (A),  Kilcoo (H)
An Riocth; Longstone (H), Bryansford (A), Mayobridge (H)                       
Longstone;    An Riocht (A), Burren (A), Rostrevor (H)
Clonduff; Rostrevor (A), Burren (A)
Rostrevor; Clonduff (H), Longstone (A)
Saval; Kilcoo (H), Bryansford (A)

Kilcoo; Saval (A), Ballyholland (A)
Mayobridge; Ballyhollland (H), An Riocht (A)
Burren; Longstone (H), Clonduff (H)
Bryansford; An Riocht (H), Saval (H)

League table
Points and Score differences
Kilcoo 25   +68
Mayobridge 21    +13
Burren 20    -3
Bryansford 18    +21

Ballyholland 17    +2
Saval 15    +3

Rostrevor 13    -16
Clonduff 10    -29
Longstone 10    -37
An Riocht 9    -22
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 02, 2011, 10:04:26 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 02, 2011, 09:11:56 PM
Div on League
Outstanding game
An Riocht v Longstone next Sat at 4pm

Remaining games

Ballyholland;    Mayobridge (A),  Kilcoo (H)
An Riocth; Longstone (H), Bryansford (A), Mayobridge (H)                       
Longstone;    An Riocht (A), Burren (A), Rostrevor (H)
Clonduff; Rostrevor (A), Burren (A)
Rostrevor; Clonduff (H), Longstone (A)
Saval; Kilcoo (H), Bryansford (A)

Kilcoo; Saval (A), Ballyholland (A)
Mayobridge; Ballyhollland (H), An Riocht (A)
Burren; Longstone (H), Clonduff (H)
Bryansford; An Riocht (H), Saval (H)

League table
Points and Score differences
Kilcoo 25   +68
Mayobridge 21    +13
Burren 20    -3
Bryansford 18    +21

Ballyholland 17    +2
Saval 15    +3

Rostrevor 13    -16
Clonduff 11    -29
Longstone 10    -37
An Riocht 9    -22
massive result for clonduff tonight. keeps chances alive of staying up. might be wrong but i thought clonduff now have only 10pts. that would leave it clonduff 10pts, stone 10pts, kingdom 9pts at the bottom.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: duffed on September 02, 2011, 10:19:22 PM
Carryduff senior team which started tonight had 12 players who have played for the club since under 10.  Two others are living in Carryduff Sean Mullan (originally from Derry) and James McKernan (originally from Monaghan).  The remaining player is Michael Ennis who plays Hurling for Ballycran.  As they have no football he plays football for Carryduff as hi in laws are all members of our club.  All the subs used tonight have also played for Carryduff since Under 10.  Don't know where you get your facts about "blow ins" but suggest you look at your own club !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 02, 2011, 10:23:24 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 02, 2011, 10:04:26 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 02, 2011, 09:11:56 PM
Div on League
Outstanding game
An Riocht v Longstone next Sat at 4pm

Remaining games

Ballyholland;    Mayobridge (A),  Kilcoo (H)
An Riocth; Longstone (H), Bryansford (A), Mayobridge (H)                       
Longstone;    An Riocht (A), Burren (A), Rostrevor (H)
Clonduff; Rostrevor (A), Burren (A)
Rostrevor; Clonduff (H), Longstone (A)
Saval; Kilcoo (H), Bryansford (A)

Kilcoo; Saval (A), Ballyholland (A)
Mayobridge; Ballyhollland (H), An Riocht (A)
Burren; Longstone (H), Clonduff (H)
Bryansford; An Riocht (H), Saval (H)

League table
Points and Score differences
Kilcoo 25   +68
Mayobridge 21    +13
Burren 20    -3
Bryansford 18    +21

Ballyholland 17    +2
Saval 15    +3

Rostrevor 13    -16
Clonduff 11    -29
Longstone 10    -37
An Riocht 9    -22
massive result for clonduff tonight. keeps chances alive of staying up. might be wrong but i thought clonduff now have only 10pts. that would leave it clonduff 10pts, stone 10pts, kingdom 9pts at the bottom.

You are right!! Clonduff are on 10 points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 02, 2011, 10:30:07 PM
Harps safe after tonight. Murtagh played his first full game for us this year and was outstanding...Robbie White in total control every time he got the ball..Anton Haughey had a magnificent game on John Clarke...Mary Clarke had a few moments of genius which were spolied by petulance and indiscipline.

Harps the better team...now we can concentrate on Rostrevor without any distractions.


Well done lads :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 02, 2011, 10:31:54 PM
After losing our 1st 9 games. Ardglass have won 5, drew 1 and lost 1 of our last 7 games. We are out of the relegation zone for the first time this year, its still between ourselves and dundrum to see who is in the final relegation spot but I would still expect mitchels and st Johns to go down this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 02, 2011, 10:54:56 PM
Quote from: duffed on September 02, 2011, 10:19:22 PM
Carryduff senior team which started tonight had 12 players who have played for the club since under 10.  Two others are living in Carryduff Sean Mullan (originally from Derry) and James McKernan (originally from Monaghan).  The remaining player is Michael Ennis who plays Hurling for Ballycran.  As they have no football he plays football for Carryduff as hi in laws are all members of our club.  All the subs used tonight have also played for Carryduff since Under 10.  Don't know where you get your facts about "blow ins" but suggest you look at your own club !!!

Think that counts as a bite.
Only the three foreigners then, is that better or worse than your minor hurling team? A Ballycran man eh? Didn't yiz steal the Blaney's from Ballycran aswell? Where have John Lavery and Adrian Scullion gone to anyway?   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: duffed on September 02, 2011, 11:41:24 PM
See you didn't answer the question about your own club.  Minor hurlers have only one player from Ballyvarley because they coulndn't field at minor level this year.  All others have come up through the ranks as Carryduff players.  You really shouldn't listen to posts by those who don't know what they are talking about.  Would you rather the Blaneys has been lost to Down football ?  They only played for Carryduff when Ballycran didn't have football.
Title: Re: Div 3
Post by: andunabu on September 03, 2011, 08:18:40 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 01, 2011, 11:45:46 AM
Kilclief keeper saved a last minute penalty.  The most biased refereeing performance I've seen in a long time, sometimes you are up against more than the opposing team in South Down.
Eh were you at the same game I was at?   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: On The Side on September 03, 2011, 10:10:29 AM
Poacher.....Have to be fair. Was fairly constraint last night. Was one of his side line that started the hassle and then he got involved. Is he worth this much discussion? Empty vessels make the most noise. From the outside looking in all i can see is a  bluffer. Fair play if hes getting away with it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on September 03, 2011, 10:38:23 AM
All this bad talk of poacher, this is a discussion board. Not a place were use faceless spineless t**ts can bad mouth someone, pathetic!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: On The Side on September 03, 2011, 10:52:44 AM
Bad talk? if he keeps pushing himself to the forefront instead of people talking about the actual match and the people that matter (i.e. the players) then so be it. He's a side show....
Apart from all this.What a league! Apart from kilcoo and the points they have nothing between the teams on any given day. Must be tightest year in a long time?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on September 03, 2011, 10:56:44 AM
the full ballyholland dugout confronted one of our selectors and to be fair stephen poacher was trying to break it up, but why let the facts get in the way of a good shit stir.  Btw i was very impressed with the way ballyholland have improved as a team. Gone are the days when they played with 1 or 2 extra defenders and relied on counter attacking. They are strong all over the park now , and with murtagh on fire could be the dark horses of the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: On The Side on September 03, 2011, 11:11:34 AM
One of the selectors grabbed a Ballyholland player that was on the ground by both hands and told him to get the f**K up!(or words to that affect) think it would get a reaction in front of any home dugout...no need for Poacher to run 20yards with his chest out.Fact! On general terms nothing between the 2 teams but Harps safe and if can stay up for another year or two will hopefully lose the yoyo tag. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 03, 2011, 11:17:24 AM
Was at Clonduiff v Stone game last night... wow.. a real tight tense affair that needed to g clonduffs way or they were almost certs for the drop.  I think with the spirit they showed last night they can be a handful in the championship next week and they will survive in this league if they get to the playoff....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 03, 2011, 12:07:48 PM
Saval gave us our fill of it last night in a good game of football.

Looking at the run-in's for the teams at the bottom there are some very big games to be played between the main protagonists.   

An Riocht  - - Longstone  An Riocht 10/09/2011 16:00 Babhta Twelve 

Rostrevor  - - Clonduff  Rostrevor TBC TBC Babhta Thirteen 
Burren  - - Longstone  Burren TBC TBC Babhta Thirteen 
Bryansford  - - An Riocht  Bryansford TBC TBC Babhta Thirteen

 
An Riocht  - - Mayobridge  An Riocht TBC TBC Babhta Eighteen 
Longstone  - - Rostrevor  Longstone TBC TBC Babhta Eighteen 
Burren  - - Clonduff  Burren TBC TBC Babhta Eighteen 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 03, 2011, 07:07:35 PM
All the Leagues in Down are in for a very exciting finish.

In Div 1 Kilcoo are more or less assured of top spot. Bridge, Burren, Bryansford and Ballyholland then all have have a shout with 2nd and 3rd place.

Saval and Rostrevor should do enough to avoid the bottom three with An Riocht, Longstone and Clonduff battling it out to avoid the bottom relegation spot.

Castlewellan are assured of top spot in Division 2. Downpatrick, Loughinisland and Liatroim are then fighting it out for 2nd and 3rd place.

Relegation is really interesting. Drumgath are gone. Then any two of Shamrocks, Clann na Banna, Warrenpoint, Annaclone or Ballymartin will make up the playoff places.

Division 3 Top 3 are more or less sorted. Kilclief, Carryduff and Tullylish are basically assured of the top end playoffs. They will be fighting it out to get first place. Glenn and Darragh Cross have a very remote chance of catching the top enders and they would need a very unlikely set of results to get up there.

Mitchels are favourites for the automatic drop but they techinically can escape it. St Johns, Ardglass, Dundrum, Atticall and Bosco are all in the mix at that end of the table.

Division 4 is clear cut. Saul, Bredagh and Drumaness are jostling for position in the Top 3.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 03, 2011, 09:03:27 PM
Saul should and top div 4 barring a disaster somewhere along the line (crosses fingers) with ourselves and Drumaness fighting it out fro the final spot.

think Mitchells and St Johns will be playing in Div 4 next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 03, 2011, 09:30:41 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 02, 2011, 10:00:40 AM

      Senior Championship                     
Date            Time            Venue   Referee   Line 1   Line 2   4th Official

Sat  10/9/11   5.00 pm   Loughinisland   v   Clonduff   Downpatrick   C Reynolds    M Brady   P McCartan   A Sharvin
            
                     
      Senior Hurling                     

Sat    10/9/11   3.00 pm   Ballycran   v   Ballygalget   Portaferry   D Magee   D Carr   D Kearns   L Quinn


Busy day for big Magic.

Thankfully the hurling is on first

The big man can get a bit of a breather as our game has been brought forward half an hour with the football put back half an hour. The helicopter has been cancelled.

Duffed, don't be getting wound up by those Kilclief hallions as some of our lads have played football in the past for them and I think now a few are playing minor this year. Another young lad plays for Saul as well.

People in glass houses No1!!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thecager on September 04, 2011, 05:06:18 PM
St. Patrick's Grammar School in association with Club RedHigh presents

"Night with the Stars"

St. Patrick's Grammar School, Downpatrick

Thursday 15th September @ 7.30pm - £5 per ticket payable at the venue.

To celebrate the opening of our state of the art new school, we are pleased to announce a night of sporting debate, craic and All Ireland Football final analysis, hosted by the BBC's Mark Sidebottom

The panel will include experts who have been involved at the highest level in their chosen sport, including all Ireland winning players, All Stars, International players, and one of the most successful All Ireland winning coaches of all time! The panel will be made up of the following:
Current All Star and Down Footballer Danny Hughes,
Down Manager and Double All Ireland winner James McCartan,
Double All Ireland winning manager and former Ireland manager Pete McGrath,
Former Ireland Rugby International Trevor Ringland,
Former Down Hurler Noel Sands. 

There will also be a draw for 2 All Ireland Final Football Tickets.
For further information contact Declan Morgan or Darren Swail on 02844619722
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 05, 2011, 04:43:26 PM
Maybe Mourne Rover or some of the older posters might be able to answer this question.

Why did Ambrose Rogers not play any part in the 1979 All Ireland U-21 Final? He was centre half forward on the All Ireland winning Minor team of 1977 so I presume he was still eligible in '79 for the U-21's. Was he maybe injured or something?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 05, 2011, 08:44:23 PM
I have a recollection of a suspension for Ambrose around that period, but I will see if I can come up with any more information. Alternatively, some of the other `older posters' might jog our memories.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 06, 2011, 10:07:52 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 05, 2011, 04:43:26 PM
Maybe Mourne Rover or some of the older posters might be able to answer this question.

Why did Ambrose Rogers not play any part in the 1979 All Ireland U-21 Final? He was centre half forward on the All Ireland winning Minor team of 1977 so I presume he was still eligible in '79 for the U-21's. Was he maybe injured or something?

Ambrose was playing earlier in the year for U21 league games but left or not ask on the panel before the Ulster Championship.
Paul Devlin of Glenn was an outstanding defender all year but got suspended before All Ireland final and we all fear that Down may not win without him. Micheal Sands of Aghaderg replaced Paul.
Minor star of that year, Greg Blaney was selected for final game only, he has not played any previous games for U21. Greg went on to scored 4 points from play.  Martin McCann was unlucky player to be left out after playing all year on Down U21 but came on as a sub.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 06, 2011, 10:53:00 AM
Aidan ORourke now in Down management team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 06, 2011, 11:11:14 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 06, 2011, 10:53:00 AM
Aidan ORourke now in Down management team.

Great appointment, James will be happy he now has his own appointment he can trust along the line and not a forced arrangement as was previous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 06, 2011, 02:01:56 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 06, 2011, 10:53:00 AM
Aidan ORourke now in Down management team.
Great news
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Banana Man on September 06, 2011, 02:33:45 PM
any update on what marty clarke's plans are?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 06, 2011, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 06, 2011, 10:53:00 AM
Aidan ORourke now in Down management team.

Don't underestimate the significance of this appointment. O'Rourke is the real deal. This is a massive coup for Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 06, 2011, 04:18:11 PM
Have to agree Aidan O Rourke a great addition to our set up . A good defensive coach which we badly need . Him and James have a good understanding of each other from their earlier time together . Lets hope its a successful reunion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 06, 2011, 07:19:52 PM
Would like to wish Damien Rafferty a speedy recovery from a broken collar bone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 06, 2011, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on September 06, 2011, 07:19:52 PM
Would like to wish Damien Rafferty a speedy recovery from a broken collar bone

Damien was a deserving winner of the Breen Morgan Award last year. Wish him well.

I see that this year's nominees include Connor Laverty who to me surely display's the courage and dash of the great Annaclone man. Hope he wins it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 06, 2011, 07:46:38 PM
Laverty deserves it worked hard to get a place then harder to keep it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thecager on September 06, 2011, 07:53:50 PM
Folks,
we have now added All Star Down Camogie player Catherine McGourty to the line up of the Red High Night with the Stars.  The night will include Danny Hughes, James McCartan, Peter McGrath, Noell Sands, Trevor Ringland, and hosted by the BBC's Mark Sidebottom.
Entry is just £5 payable at the door at which is sure to be a great nights craic and entertainment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 07, 2011, 01:40:24 PM
Even though declan rooney will be a big miss i still believe we will be too strong for the bridge. The bridge is ageing while we are the upcoming club in the county. More so than the magpies. Our forward will be too quick for Barry and co. While Anton will run big woods all over newry. The bridge have good forwards but they tend to look for benny all the time where will have him sorted from the word go.us by four then sweet pints in burren club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 07, 2011, 05:29:08 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 07, 2011, 01:40:24 PM
Even though declan rooney will be a big miss i still believe we will be too strong for the bridge. The bridge is ageing while we are the upcoming club in the county. More so than the magpies. Our forward will be too quick for Barry and co. While Anton will run big woods all over newry. The bridge have good forwards but they tend to look for benny all the time where will have him sorted from the word go.us by four then sweet pints in burren club.

you talk some shite jim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blueannavy on September 07, 2011, 05:55:41 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 07, 2011, 01:40:24 PM
Even though declan rooney will be a big miss i still believe we will be too strong for the bridge. The bridge is ageing while we are the upcoming club in the county. More so than the magpies. Our forward will be too quick for Barry and co. While Anton will run big woods all over newry. The bridge have good forwards but they tend to look for benny all the time where will have him sorted from the word go.us by four then sweet pints in burren club.

you have it all sussed out jim !! no point in going to the game now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 07, 2011, 11:35:08 PM
Confirmed that Aidan O'Rourke is in with Wee James and Jerome Johnston. Amy Davis also in as Strength and Conditioning coach.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on September 08, 2011, 09:28:03 AM
Who is Amy Davis?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 08, 2011, 10:07:48 AM
She is a strength and conditioning coach from a rugby back ground . She seems to have worked with Ulster Rugby and plays abit of rugby as far as i know
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 08, 2011, 10:17:39 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on September 08, 2011, 10:07:48 AM
She is a strength and conditioning coach from a rugby back ground . She seems to have worked with Ulster Rugby and plays abit of rugby as far as i know

Fcuk.....she might get a game!!!

(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked-b/Library/SF713/513918.jpg)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 08, 2011, 12:14:37 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on September 08, 2011, 10:07:48 AM
She is a strength and conditioning coach from a rugby back ground . She seems to have worked with Ulster Rugby and plays abit of rugby as far as i know

Are you serious?? Did we not go unsuccessfully down this line a few years back with Paul Murphy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 08, 2011, 01:37:20 PM
Class from burren, attitude from attitude and steel from armagh... A great mix. Here is a question. Was a bridge man ever involved with managing or selecting a down senior team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sheamy on September 08, 2011, 02:47:50 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 08, 2011, 10:17:39 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on September 08, 2011, 10:07:48 AM
She is a strength and conditioning coach from a rugby back ground . She seems to have worked with Ulster Rugby and plays abit of rugby as far as i know

Fcuk.....she might get a game!!!

(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked-b/Library/SF713/513918.jpg)

her sister does the job for Kildare I think. All makes sense now  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on September 08, 2011, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 08, 2011, 01:37:20 PM
Class from burren, attitude from attitude and steel from armagh... A great mix. Here is a question. Was a bridge man ever involved with managing or selecting a down senior team?
Whos the Burren man involved?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Agent Orange on September 08, 2011, 06:41:43 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on September 08, 2011, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 08, 2011, 01:37:20 PM
Class from burren, attitude from attitude and steel from armagh... A great mix. Here is a question. Was a bridge man ever involved with managing or selecting a down senior team?
Whos the Burren man involved?

He is getting his O'Rourkes mixed up.

That is a very flattering pic of Ms Davis.

(http://www.ulsterrugby.com/images/content/photos/Amy_Davis.jpg)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 08, 2011, 08:55:01 PM
Junior Championship Quarterfinal under lights at Newcastle:   Saul 0.08 Bredagh 1.10.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 08, 2011, 09:04:54 PM
Yous are smart aren't yas
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 08, 2011, 09:27:33 PM
Great win for Bredagh  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 08, 2011, 09:46:48 PM
Well done Bredagh!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 08, 2011, 09:58:01 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on September 07, 2011, 05:29:08 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 07, 2011, 01:40:24 PM
Even though declan rooney will be a big miss i still believe we will be too strong for the bridge. The bridge is ageing while we are the upcoming club in the county. More so than the magpies. Our forward will be too quick for Barry and co. While Anton will run big woods all over newry. The bridge have good forwards but they tend to look for benny all the time where will have him sorted from the word go.us by four then sweet pints in burren club.

you talk some shite jim
goodluck to mayobridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on September 09, 2011, 12:18:43 AM
Big championship game this weekend folks but... Saturday at 4pm in an riocht is a massive relegation game too.. kingdom vs the stone in a local derby and both deep in relegation trouble, should be mouthwatering ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 09, 2011, 12:53:10 AM
Your another of the begrudgers snoopdog
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on September 09, 2011, 08:42:00 AM
Downjim, as a fellow Burren man, would you give the bullshit a rest, tonight will be a real test of both teams credentials. It will all come down to performance on the night. The break ball is going to be crucial and we need a bigger emphasis around the middle. Like Burren the bridge have taken in a couple of good players from their u21 set up and this has increased competition within their squad, so we need a big performance from all our players. There will be no hiding places tonight, big field, big game but I still believe Burren are starting to raise their game just at the right time.

Both sets of forwards are extremely dangerous and I don't think the bridge will be naive enough to just hoof it in to Benny. We need to go man for man and limit the frees we give away. If we play early ball in then our forwards can really test the bridge defence. Its going to be a battle but one I believe we can win. Good luck to Burren tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on September 09, 2011, 09:05:39 AM
Well said forevergreen. We arent used to that kind of sensible conversation form Burren man on the board, or should I say Newry. Mouth watering game in prospect tonight, 2 very good sides, both with big points to prove. Burren have to show that they are all they say they are, that last year was no fluke, no better game for them. Bridge havent won the championship in 2yrs, a long time for players like Benny or Ronan Sexton, who have been used to winning it since they started to play for the Bridge. They have to show that they aren't finished. No better game for them. Both teams are going to have to show that their younger players are good enough to carry on the mantle, 2 McArdles, Murdock, Higgins, McGovern and these lads. For the Bridge McClorey, O'Hare, Brady are faced with the same task. Truly mouth waterinf encounter.

Im sure Kilcoo and the Ford will be delighted all the focus is on the south Down tie, the outcome of the big east Down clash will be waiting in the long grass. Points to prove themselves. One of the most intrigueing championships rounds in recent times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on September 09, 2011, 05:20:55 PM
So jim who is the burren man?  Has Sean ohare joined the backroom team or are you not going to answer the question?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 09, 2011, 09:16:13 PM
IFC Quarter Final
Clan na Banna 3-04  Annadergclone 1-08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 09, 2011, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 09, 2011, 12:53:10 AM
Your another of the begrudgers snoopdog
Not really. more to do with your blatent lack of respect for mayobridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on September 09, 2011, 09:41:19 PM
What was the score tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 09, 2011, 09:52:49 PM
I thought with the schools back, this crap on the board would end, clearly not  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on September 09, 2011, 09:57:35 PM
Burren 1-11 Mayobridge 1-08 FT



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Post by: Leonardo on September 09, 2011, 10:26:23 PM
Thought the two best teams won tonight. Clann na Banna fully deserved their win. Magee very good at the back and Hill up front made some hard hits. young Lenaghan looks a handfull. McArdle going off for Annaclone was a big loss. Burren cut Bridge wide open at times - pace in their forward line is frightening. Fair play to Mayobridge - kept plugging away and forwards were living on scraps. End of an era for this great team????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 09, 2011, 10:29:36 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 08, 2011, 09:04:54 PM
Yous are smart aren't yas

Clearly nowhere near as smart as you. Your intelligent and insightful thoughts on local club football are a thing to behold.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 09, 2011, 11:02:47 PM
Thought it was a poor game tonight some schoolboy errors all over the field . Burren deserved the result with Donal O Hare excellent . Big Woods tried hard at mid field Anton only caught one ball against him all night . Kevin O Rourke top scorer for the Bridge but faded towards the end
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 10, 2011, 01:07:46 AM
Time to send the bridge back to division 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on September 10, 2011, 01:10:37 AM
Quote from: downjim on September 10, 2011, 01:07:46 AM
Time to send the bridge back to division 4

Clown Jim. You're a prat. If your father had an opportunity again i think he would have sent you into a tissue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 10, 2011, 03:33:36 AM
I really feel sorry for that small club who came through the leagues to be knocked down again, i hope Felix and the so called legend big tom can sleep tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Whitehair on September 10, 2011, 11:32:35 AM
For those at any football and hurling championship matches this weekend if they could throw up a brief match report for those in exile it'd be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 10, 2011, 12:34:33 PM
Poor game last night, very scrappy for long periods with Burren taking their chances better than their opponents being the main reason for their victory.
Mayobridge will feel they left this one behind, a slack goal conceeded being the difference at the finish. I feel if Benny had slotted in any of his goal chances and had more portection from the referee, who i must say gave Burren many easy frees which Donal OHare duly converted, they would have progressed.
Burren showed greater fittness and composure in the last ten minutes to come from one down, scoring four unanswered, but i feel Pluggy Barrys shot selection when the Bridge led was crazy, kicking two short, when working the ball in to the brilliant Kevin ORourke and Benny would have been wiser.
Burren showed great work ethic all over the field with Conor Toner giving an exibition of high fielding in the middle, Ciaran McGovern and Dan McCartan strong at the back and Donal OHare and James McGovern best in attack. They also used thier bench much better than the Bridge did using fresh legs at a critical stage in the game.
Kevin ORourke was the Bridges best player, Garvey put in some big hits and Gavin Barry had a good second half. Woods won his battle with Anton McArdle, i dont know how they will ever replace this man, a brilliant midfielder down the years.
I cant get my head round how Francie Poland didnt use players like Walsh and Particulary Noel Sexton when the game was in the melting pot and the decision to play Ryan Brady so far from goals played into Burrens hands.
Massive result for Burren, they will take some stopping now, the strength of their squad will stand greatly to them.
On another note, the behaviour of David McEntee feigning injury at the death was ridiculous, he got a we slap, stayed on his feet, then when told to lie down he did so and got a player red carded. Up staight away unharmed, Marty Boyle of Donegal eat your heart out.
Burren scorers: Donal OHare 0-7, Shea McArdle 0-2, Anton McArdle and James McGovern 0-1 each.
Mayobridge scorers: Kevin ORourke 1-5, Micheal Lively, Ronan Sexton and Conleth OHare 0-1 each.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on September 10, 2011, 02:18:15 PM
good write up mid down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 10, 2011, 02:39:40 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on September 10, 2011, 02:18:15 PM
good write up mid down
x2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 10, 2011, 06:06:49 PM
ACFL Division 1

An Riocht 1-7 Longstone 0-12

Ambrose Rogers and Michael Ireland superb for the stone, massive result for the reds, relegation looking likely for the Kingdom.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on September 10, 2011, 06:08:20 PM
dumdrum though to next round of championship

dundrum 2-8
attical 2-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 10, 2011, 06:11:46 PM
Quote from: dundroma on September 10, 2011, 06:08:20 PM
dumdrum though to next round of championship

dundrum 2-8
attical 2-7

Fantastic result. Well done Dundrum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 10, 2011, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 10, 2011, 06:11:46 PM
Quote from: dundroma on September 10, 2011, 06:08:20 PM
dumdrum though to next round of championship

dundrum 2-8
attical 2-7

Fantastic result. Well done Dundrum.

Football is a very strange game. Just nine days ago we got humiliated on our pitch when Darragh Cross beat us by 23 points in the League. Between then and now we also lost three of our starting XV to Australia. Then today we came from 6 points behind with 20 minutes to go to win by a point. Unreal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 10, 2011, 06:28:42 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 10, 2011, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 10, 2011, 06:11:46 PM
Quote from: dundroma on September 10, 2011, 06:08:20 PM
dumdrum though to next round of championship

dundrum 2-8
attical 2-7

Fantastic result. Well done Dundrum.

Football is a very strange game. Just nine days ago we got humiliated on our pitch when Darragh Cross beat us by 23 points in the League. Between then and now we also lost three of our starting XV to Australia. Then today we came from 6 points behind with 20 minutes to go to win by a point. Unreal.

Thats amazing. Delighted for Dundrum, great achievement for a small club like yourselves reaching an intermediate simi final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 10, 2011, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 10, 2011, 06:11:46 PM
Quote from: dundroma on September 10, 2011, 06:08:20 PM
dumdrum though to next round of championship

dundrum 2-8
attical 2-7

Fantastic result. Well done Dundrum.

Made all the better considering the amount of players we have lost in last season and a half including 3 key personnel last Monday to Australia. Also we were 6 points down 15 minutes into second half. Sweet feeling
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 10, 2011, 06:55:50 PM
Final score from Downpatrick

Loughinisland 0-13 Clonduff 3-7

Two late goals won it for the yellows.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 10, 2011, 07:10:37 PM
 sound like a parrot with that last post
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thecager on September 10, 2011, 07:48:57 PM
Huge response thus far for the Red High Night with the Stars on Thursday 15th.  No tickets are being issued, it's just pay at the door (£5). 
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Post by: centre 3/4s on September 10, 2011, 10:04:14 PM
Big game tomorrow night has the makings of a real cracker so hard to pick a winner. Man for man there is very little in it and maybe the fords determination to make up for last years final disappointment may just be the difference in the end, here is to a great game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 10, 2011, 10:50:18 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on September 10, 2011, 10:04:14 PM
Big game tomorrow night has the makings of a real cracker so hard to pick a winner. Man for man there is very little in it and maybe the fords determination to make up for last years final disappointment may just be the difference in the end, here is to a great game.

Iv been waiting on this one since the draw was made!!! Really think the winners will win it! First game tomorrow is a hard one to call. Think Rostrevor will edge it, wee touch more quality than Bholland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on September 10, 2011, 10:57:56 PM
Think kilcoo are far too strong for Ford - not sure about Rostrevor game. Didnt get to todays games - any reports?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 11, 2011, 11:13:08 AM
St John's & Club Down put on a fantastic function last night and great value too. Real party atmosphere from the word go, Big O in hilarious form,  and a belter of a singalong at the end.
Highlight was Mark Poland receiving the Spirit of Breen Morgan Award, great recognition for a constently brave and skilled performer for Down.
New club rooms look fantastic, setting new standards for a small rural club, so good luck to St John's, and great to see Club Down supporting their efforts by bringing their function to it.
Title: IFC
Post by: No1 on September 11, 2011, 04:07:07 PM
Kilclief beat St Johns 1-16 to 6 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on September 11, 2011, 04:30:42 PM
Dromara beat us by 3 points ::)

Same old story for us >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 11, 2011, 04:31:53 PM
howd bredagh do in shc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 11, 2011, 05:31:45 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 11, 2011, 04:31:53 PM
howd bredagh do in shc
Still playing, last i heard 1-8 to 1-1 down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blueannavy on September 11, 2011, 05:35:03 PM
Any updates on this evenings games would be appriciated .. Thanks
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Post by: bridge fan on September 11, 2011, 06:00:50 PM
‎2nd half 2 mins gone
Ballyholland 0-7 Rostrevor 1-2
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Post by: bridge fan on September 11, 2011, 06:18:44 PM
‎2nd half 26 mins gone
Ballyholland 0-7 Rostrevor 2-5
Rostrevor score from 10mtr free
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 11, 2011, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: blueannavy on September 11, 2011, 05:35:03 PM
Any updates on this evenings games would be appriciated .. Thanks

Kilcoo 0-4 to 0-3 up at half time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 11, 2011, 07:40:18 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 11, 2011, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: blueannavy on September 11, 2011, 05:35:03 PM
Any updates on this evenings games would be appriciated .. Thanks

Kilcoo 0-4 to 0-3 up at half time.
Who has the wind in the second half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 11, 2011, 07:42:04 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 11, 2011, 07:40:18 PM
Who has the wind in the second half

Kilcoo 5 up.

I'm not at it - "workin" ( ;)) - but gettin updates...  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 11, 2011, 07:47:35 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 11, 2011, 07:42:04 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 11, 2011, 07:40:18 PM
Who has the wind in the second half

Kilcoo 5 up.

I'm not at it - "workin" ( ;)) - but gettin updates...  :)
keep them commin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 11, 2011, 07:55:31 PM
We're now 7 up.... injury time.

I guess that the ford had any wind going in the first half, and we have it second... but not there so its a guess!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 11, 2011, 08:00:36 PM
Kilcoo 1-12
Bryansford 0-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blueannavy on September 11, 2011, 08:05:32 PM
Was the draw made for the semis ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 11, 2011, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: blueannavy on September 11, 2011, 08:05:32 PM
Was the draw made for the semis ?

Kilcoo get the yellas.... (clonduff)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 11, 2011, 08:43:30 PM
Simi Final Draw

Senior
Kilcoo V Clonduff
Burren V Rostrevor

Intermediate
Dundrum v Ballymartin
Clan na banna v Kilclief
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 11, 2011, 08:48:33 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 11, 2011, 08:00:36 PM
Kilcoo 1-12
Bryansford 0-9

Very impressive team performance from Kilcoo tonight where we dominated Bryansford all over the park. Phelim McGreevy completly dominated Kalum King while Lavertys play making tore a loose marking Ford defence to shreads.
Loosing Nial McEvoy to a straight red at the death was the only sour note, gonna be a big loss for the remainder of the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on September 11, 2011, 09:16:39 PM
Good team performance from Kilcoo tonight. If our forwards had of being more ruthless we would have won by a lot more. The ford had one tactic- put the ball in high. You'd think McGrath would have had the sense to change tactics after 15mins!
The game was was in last 30 seconds when the ref thought it'd be a good idea to send two men off (one from each) for what appeared to be handbags.
Now the yellas! Our 1st championship meeting in modern times.
To lose that match doesn't bear thinking about!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 11, 2011, 09:30:38 PM
Kilcoo were excellent tonight all over the field . Hard working outfit with live wire forwards whos excellent movement cut B Ford to shreds anytime they went forward . Defintely the best team on show this weekend and will be hard to stop . Was very dissapointed with Ballyholland tonight looked out of sight after 20 mins to looking clueless for the remainder . No ideas at all no leaders although the 2nd goal was dubious to say the least .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shortso79 on September 11, 2011, 09:52:31 PM
Junior Semi Final Draw

Bredagh v Teconnaught

Bright v Dromara
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 11, 2011, 11:38:21 PM
Quote from: Oglach on September 11, 2011, 09:16:39 PM
Good team performance from Kilcoo tonight. If our forwards had of being more ruthless we would have won by a lot more. The ford had one tactic- put the ball in high. You'd think McGrath would have had the sense to change tactics after 15mins!
The game was was in last 30 seconds when the ref thought it'd be a good idea to send two men off (one from each) for what appeared to be handbags.
Now the yellas! Our 1st championship meeting in modern times.
To lose that match doesn't bear thinking about!!!!!!!!!!
Kilcoo won with good direct football, Bryansford's threat nullified by (a) too much handpassing followed by (b) silly route one lumping the ball to Kalum who was cleaned out time and again by McGrevy.
Sensible refereeing throughout by Rice who was quite right to penalise the idiots who engaged in nonesense at the end when the game was over and done with.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 12, 2011, 08:29:37 AM
Quote from: Shortso79 on September 11, 2011, 09:52:31 PM
Junior Semi Final Draw

Bredagh v Teconnaught

Bright v Dromara
Any word on venues?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 12, 2011, 10:11:31 AM
Quote from: Leo on September 11, 2011, 11:38:21 PM
Quote from: Oglach on September 11, 2011, 09:16:39 PM
Good team performance from Kilcoo tonight. If our forwards had of being more ruthless we would have won by a lot more. The ford had one tactic- put the ball in high. You'd think McGrath would have had the sense to change tactics after 15mins!
The game was was in last 30 seconds when the ref thought it'd be a good idea to send two men off (one from each) for what appeared to be handbags.
Now the yellas! Our 1st championship meeting in modern times.
To lose that match doesn't bear thinking about!!!!!!!!!!
Kilcoo won with good direct football, Bryansford's threat nullified by (a) too much handpassing followed by (b) silly route one lumping the ball to Kalum who was cleaned out time and again by McGrevy.
Sensible refereeing throughout by Rice who was quite right to penalise the idiots who engaged in nonesense at the end when the game was over and done with.

while we were well beat it needs pointed out paul devlin got off with throwing a punch at gribben in the first half directly in front of ref and linesman while two minutes later hanna got a yellow for pushing the 2 brannigans off maginn.
bryansford were tactically inept again and motivation wasnt there - why they set the team up to man mark kilcoo is madness - maginn needs to be chf, howard chb for a start - how the management didnt see after 20mins things needed to change is beyond me.
fair play to kilcoo though they are the team to beat and big mcgreevy looks fit for county duty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedFred on September 12, 2011, 11:11:52 AM
Quote from: Leonardo on September 09, 2011, 10:26:23 PM
Thought the two best teams won tonight. Clann na Banna fully deserved their win. Magee very good at the back and Hill up front made some hard hits. young Lenaghan looks a handfull. McArdle going off for Annaclone was a big loss. Burren cut Bridge wide open at times - pace in their forward line is frightening. Fair play to Mayobridge - kept plugging away and forwards were living on scraps. End of an era for this great team????

games on friday were poorish in quality but excitment was good. Magee looked as good as any defender on display at the weekend, very good at carrying the ball from defence. Annaclone defence in gerneral looked all over the place but clann na banna didnt put them away. hard to call intermediate winner based on weekend results.

burren too good in the end for the bridge. Burren's running off the shoulder in the first half was an example of how gaelic should be played. bridge came back well in second half but burren had enough wuality and energy to see it through. they will be hard to beat again this year!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 12, 2011, 12:05:57 PM
Quote from: spiritof91and94 on September 12, 2011, 10:11:31 AM
Quote from: Leo on September 11, 2011, 11:38:21 PM
Quote from: Oglach on September 11, 2011, 09:16:39 PM
Good team performance from Kilcoo tonight. If our forwards had of being more ruthless we would have won by a lot more. The ford had one tactic- put the ball in high. You'd think McGrath would have had the sense to change tactics after 15mins!
The game was was in last 30 seconds when the ref thought it'd be a good idea to send two men off (one from each) for what appeared to be handbags.
Now the yellas! Our 1st championship meeting in modern times.
To lose that match doesn't bear thinking about!!!!!!!!!!
Kilcoo won with good direct football, Bryansford's threat nullified by (a) too much handpassing followed by (b) silly route one lumping the ball to Kalum who was cleaned out time and again by McGrevy.
Sensible refereeing throughout by Rice who was quite right to penalise the idiots who engaged in nonesense at the end when the game was over and done with.

while we were well beat it needs pointed out paul devlin got off with throwing a punch at gribben in the first half directly in front of ref and linesman while two minutes later hanna got a yellow for pushing the 2 brannigans off maginn.
bryansford were tactically inept again and motivation wasnt there - why they set the team up to man mark kilcoo is madness - maginn needs to be chf, howard chb for a start - how the management didnt see after 20mins things needed to change is beyond me.
fair play to kilcoo though they are the team to beat and big mcgreevy looks fit for county duty.

I think you forgot to mention Joe Irelands strike that warrented a red in the incident you refer too.
Have to agree with you on the fords tactics, totally played into our hands and was easy to defend against.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 12, 2011, 01:20:36 PM
MDG, which one of the Mc Evoys was wearing the white boots and no 29? He is a complete liability to your team and you would be safer off without a man like that playing because he could let you down and cost you in the semi final or final.

I do think Kilcoo got away with an awful lot off the ball last night, but the linesman closest to the stand in the first half was a joke, the ginger boy, he seen Brannigan slap Maginn twice round the head off the ball and got away with it. Plus Kilcoo 3rd man tackled the ford nearly everytime the ball was released.

It was a terrible spectacle, a major let down and I feel a fussy referee and strong sideline officials could be Kilcoo s downfall as they are an extremely cynical team. Unfortunately its all falling into Burrens hands again, cant see Rostrevor getting within 5 or 6 points to be fair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spiritof91and94 on September 12, 2011, 03:40:16 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 12, 2011, 01:20:36 PM
MDG, which one of the Mc Evoys was wearing the white boots and no 29? He is a complete liability to your team and you would be safer off without a man like that playing because he could let you down and cost you in the semi final or final.

I do think Kilcoo got away with an awful lot off the ball last night, but the linesman closest to the stand in the first half was a joke, the ginger boy, he seen Brannigan slap Maginn twice round the head off the ball and got away with it. Plus Kilcoo 3rd man tackled the ford nearly everytime the ball was released.

It was a terrible spectacle, a major let down and I feel a fussy referee and strong sideline officials could be Kilcoo s downfall as they are an extremely cynical team. Unfortunately its all falling into Burrens hands again, cant see Rostrevor getting within 5 or 6 points to be fair.

Brannigan gave maginn alot of abuse - shame because conor is a fair player.
who was that ginger lad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 12, 2011, 05:02:47 PM
Would just like to congratulate Kilcoo on a fantastic win last nite. I was at the match as a neutral and was expecting alot more from Bryansford but in the end they were well beaten.

The biggest thing that Kilcoo had over the ford was heart, guts and determination. They just couldnt match Kilcoo appetitie for the fight, the breaking ball, A Devlin was getting tore into everything, ok we can say someone got slapped or someone did that but both sides were far from inocent and at the end of the day Kilcoo won quite easily in the end. Some of the breaking out at speed by the Kilcoo team was fantastic, the Ford were simply to slow and lacked sharpness in comparison. On the ball they lacked direction and played across the field instead of going to were matters, the goals! Fair play the best footballing team won while Bryansford were simply outclassed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 12, 2011, 06:12:03 PM
After watching all senior games at the weekend - i must say i was disappointed with the standard of what i saw.  I feel for james and his staff picking any new players from what was on view.  I expect Kilcoo to win the championship outright as they are probably the best team left in the pot.  they have become more synical in the last year and devlin at centre half forward in particular is nothing short of disgusting.  late challenges - hands up, dragging the studs on man lying on the ground - hands up - held the ball and turned his elbow into a mans face - hands up - and on all three occasions he wasn booked... just spoken to... so thats the new norm - when you commit a blatant foul - put ur hand in the air as much to say - jesus i didn mean it and you get off scott free...   Lavery, Johnston, Mcgreevy, chalk, aaron brannigan, niall brannigan, all fantastic players and pd is comin back to himself again a little... hope they take it back to east down again... we dont get too many...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on September 12, 2011, 06:24:39 PM
Its was great to hear the news on Ambrose Rodgers performance for Longstone on Saturaday against the Kingdom. Practically won them the game in a vital match that neither team could afford to lose. Hopefully he can reproduce this early next season for our County as we sorely missed him in the middle of the park this year.

Just on the other Senior games, impressed with Burrens display, although I was extremely disappointed in Bridges tactics (playing brady so far from goal and not pulling benny out earlier in the second half).

Clounduff and Rostrevor did enough to progress to the semis. Kilcoo's performance against a strong Bryansford team could stand to them in the next round, where their workrate, heart and fight was unreal. Strong bench also to come in. Heres to two great semi finals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on September 12, 2011, 06:33:35 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on September 12, 2011, 06:12:03 PM
After watching all senior games at the weekend - i must say i was disappointed with the standard of what i saw.  I feel for james and his staff picking any new players from what was on view.  I expect Kilcoo to win the championship outright as they are probably the best team left in the pot.  they have become more synical in the last year and devlin at centre half forward in particular is nothing short of disgusting.  late challenges - hands up, dragging the studs on man lying on the ground - hands up - held the ball and turned his elbow into a mans face - hands up - and on all three occasions he wasn booked... just spoken to... so thats the new norm - when you commit a blatant foul - put ur hand in the air as much to say - jesus i didn mean it and you get off scott free...   Lavery, Johnston, Mcgreevy, chalk, aaron brannigan, niall brannigan, all fantastic players and pd is comin back to himself again a little... get too manhope they take it back to east down again... we dont y...
Really? seriously? You guys would do well to have a CHF like the one you refer to. Perhaps its called playing on the edge or experience. As most here will know championships aren't handed to you or bought in eurospar, they're hard fought. There were unlawful exchanges taking place from both sides all over last night. It wasn't a dirty game by any means.
To the Ford posters, we understand its not nice to lose a local derby championship match but you really should learn to take your beating.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 12, 2011, 06:39:25 PM
Really? seriously? You guys would do well to have a CHF like the one you refer to. Perhaps its called playing on the edge or experience. As most here will know championships aren't handed to you or bought in eurospar, they're hard fought. There were unlawful exchanges taking place from both sides all over last night. It wasn't a dirty game by any means.
To the Ford posters, we understand its not nice to lose a local derby championship match but you really should learn to take your beating.
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wouldn want one like him.. i know they are not handed out in a shop - but kilcoo won it with flair and style two years ago - they still have the mainstays of that team - do it again without the blatant dirt... They will take clonduff apart and that could be a bad thing in the final - but i think its kilcoos til lose...   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 12, 2011, 07:35:19 PM
As a neutral at the game I can honestly say there weren't too many " holy f@@k did you see that" type moments. Kilcoo simply outclassed Bryansford, played better football on the night and seemed to have more heart in that particular game as well. Though felim mc grieve was immense, on that performance may warrant a trial anyway, though it is consistency which makes intercounty player so hope he replicates it in a semi final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 12, 2011, 08:21:30 PM
Devlin and Ireland should both have been off in the first half for blatant striking and right infront of linesman too!!

Kilcoo were very good and simply had too much for the ford! Any time ford got within distance kilcoo stretched the lead again! Have to say we were lucky in our game especially with the second goal, although no doubt it was behind the line. But 0-7 0-0 at after 25mins looked glum and we did well to limit the harps to one more point the whole game. Have to be in it to win it as they say!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 12, 2011, 09:51:46 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 12, 2011, 01:20:36 PM
MDG, which one of the Mc Evoys was wearing the white boots and no 29? He is a complete liability to your team and you would be safer off without a man like that playing because he could let you down and cost you in the semi final or final.

I do think Kilcoo got away with an awful lot off the ball last night, but the linesman closest to the stand in the first half was a joke, the ginger boy, he seen Brannigan slap Maginn twice round the head off the ball and got away with it. Plus Kilcoo 3rd man tackled the ford nearly everytime the ball was released.

It was a terrible spectacle, a major let down and I feel a fussy referee and strong sideline officials could be Kilcoo s downfall as they are an extremely cynical team. Unfortunately its all falling into Burrens hands again, cant see Rostrevor getting within 5 or 6 points to be fair.

Nial McEvoy. An excellent defender, who foolishly got sent off and will be a serious loss to us as he is a first class defender.
As for Kilcoo being cynical, bit of an exaggeration. Kilcoo are a hard working, tough tackling team, a look back at the simi final 12 months ago and it was the Ford who had the cynical players on board taking out a number of our lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 12, 2011, 10:10:24 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 12, 2011, 09:51:46 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 12, 2011, 01:20:36 PM
MDG, which one of the Mc Evoys was wearing the white boots and no 29? He is a complete liability to your team and you would be safer off without a man like that playing because he could let you down and cost you in the semi final or final.

I do think Kilcoo got away with an awful lot off the ball last night, but the linesman closest to the stand in the first half was a joke, the ginger boy, he seen Brannigan slap Maginn twice round the head off the ball and got away with it. Plus Kilcoo 3rd man tackled the ford nearly everytime the ball was released.

It was a terrible spectacle, a major let down and I feel a fussy referee and strong sideline officials could be Kilcoo s downfall as they are an extremely cynical team. Unfortunately its all falling into Burrens hands again, cant see Rostrevor getting within 5 or 6 points to be fair.

Nial McEvoy. An excellent defender, who foolishly got sent off and will be a serious loss to us as he is a first class defender.
As for Kilcoo being cynical, bit of an exaggeration. Kilcoo are a hard working, tough tackling team, a look back at the simi final 12 months ago and it was the Ford who had the cynical players on board taking out a number of our lads.
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Your right, foolishly so therefore you are better off without him for a semi or final where his FOOLISH nature could cost you. Unfortunately this lad has a nasty track record if memory serves me right. Also have to agree with Pauly2 never seen a more cynical outfit in this county than Kilcoo, their manager being from Armagh obviously has it drilled into them, but dont think they ll get away with the 3rd man tackle and nasty stuff in the semi final or final, the word is out on them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 12, 2011, 10:11:11 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on September 12, 2011, 06:12:03 PM
After watching all senior games at the weekend - i must say i was disappointed with the standard of what i saw.  I feel for james and his staff picking any new players from what was on view.  I expect Kilcoo to win the championship outright as they are probably the best team left in the pot.  they have become more synical in the last year and devlin at centre half forward in particular is nothing short of disgusting.  late challenges - hands up, dragging the studs on man lying on the ground - hands up - held the ball and turned his elbow into a mans face - hands up - and on all three occasions he wasn booked... just spoken to... so thats the new norm - when you commit a blatant foul - put ur hand in the air as much to say - jesus i didn mean it and you get off scott free...   Lavery, Johnston, Mcgreevy, chalk, aaron brannigan, niall brannigan, all fantastic players and pd is comin back to himself again a little... hope they take it back to east down again... we dont get too many...

To come on here and say what you said about Anthony Devlin is nothin short of inaccurate and wrong. Disgusting? The man is as hard as nails and is one of the most physically imposing players about but in no way is he disgusting, cynical or dirty. Anthony is a player that gives his all and will empty the tank for the cause and even at the latter stages of a brilliant career has stil a lot to offer. The man is  one of the top players to ever wear the black and white since he made his debut for us back in 1996 as a 15 year old in division 3 where he went on to captain us to minor and under 21 championships, 2 Division 1 titles and play a major role in us securing the Frank OHare cup for the first time in 72 years, gaining the coveted player of the match award in the county final.
To say Castlewellan wouldnt have a player of his liking is laughable, he is a very well respected footballer throughout the county and is definatly not known as cynical or disgusting for that matter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 12, 2011, 10:27:50 PM
Was an interesting weekend of games. Kilcoo were always going to beat Bryansford because they have a better squad and a tactically superior manager. They should account for Clonduff in the Semis and Id fancy Burren to have Rostrevor. Kilcoo/Burren Final would be a great spectacle.

We probably caused a mini shock in beating Atticall in the IFC and Ballymartin will be very happy at getting us in the Semis. Banbridge beat one of the favourites in Annaclone and they should now be installed as favourites. Id love to see Kilclief make the Final though. They have an ageing squad and the years are running out for them to get the silverware.

Bredagh should win the Junior handy enough. They beat Saul who were regarded as the favourites and the Belfast men are far better than anything that is left in the draw.

  Senior Championship       
Date          Time    Venue Referee Line 1 Line 2 4th Official
Sat 24/9/11 7 00pm Kilcoo v Clonduff Newry G Corrigan E O Hare D Laverty D Kearns
Sun 25/9/11 7 00pm Burren v Rostrevor Newry C Reynolds R Barry
O Burke R Lyons
         
         
         
  Intermediate Championship       
Sat    24/9/11 5.30 pm Clann na Banna v Kilclief Newry C Brannigan F Laverty C Mooney K Mc Mahon
Sun  25/9/11 5.30 pm Ballymartin v Dundrum Newry L Smith A Sharvin D Brogan D Cotter
         
         
         
  Junior Championship       
Sat     24/9/11 2 00 pm Bright v Dromara Newcastle D Brogan K Trainor D Cotter J Mc Mullan
Sat    24/9/11 3.30 pm Bredagh v Teconnaught Newcastle R Barry D Kearns C Brannigan M Mc Anulty
         
         
         
  Senior Hurling       
Sun   25/9/11 2.00 pm Ballycran v Portaferry TBC TBC   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 12, 2011, 10:57:15 PM
Agree 100 % with MDG on A Devlin a hard tough player who gives his all no matter what . I defently would not say he was cynical in any way i wish he was chf for my club . I hear people all the time saying that there has to be better players in Down that are not on the county panel i for one dont know where they are because there was none on show over the week end . Not to many standing out that you would say he deserves a chance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on September 12, 2011, 11:47:21 PM
[To come on here and say what you said about Anthony Devlin is nothin short of inaccurate and wrong. Disgusting? The man is as hard as nails and is one of the most physically imposing players about but in no way is he disgusting, cynical or dirty. Anthony is a player that gives his all and will empty the tank for the cause and even at the latter stages of a brilliant career has stil a lot to offer. The man is  one of the top players to ever wear the black and white since he made his debut for us back in 1996 as a 15 year old in division 3 where he went on to captain us to minor and under 21 championships, 2 Division 1 titles and play a major role in us securing the Frank OHare cup for the first time in 72 years, gaining the coveted player of the match award in the county final.
To say Castlewellan wouldnt have a player of his liking is laughable, he is a very well respected footballer throughout the county and is definatly not known as cynical or disgusting for that matter.
[/quote]couldn't have worded that any better myself  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on September 12, 2011, 11:56:05 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 12, 2011, 10:10:24 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 12, 2011, 09:51:46 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 12, 2011, 01:20:36 PM
MDG, which one of the Mc Evoys was wearing the white boots and no 29? He is a complete liability to your team and you would be safer off without a man like that playing because he could let you down and cost you in the semi final or final.

I do think Kilcoo got away with an awful lot off the ball last night, but the linesman closest to the stand in the first half was a joke, the ginger boy, he seen Brannigan slap Maginn twice round the head off the ball and got away with it. Plus Kilcoo 3rd man tackled the ford nearly everytime the ball was released.

It was a terrible spectacle, a major let down and I feel a fussy referee and strong sideline officials could be Kilcoo s downfall as they are an extremely cynical team. Unfortunately its all falling into Burrens hands again, cant see Rostrevor getting within 5 or 6 points to be fair.

Nial McEvoy. An excellent defender, who foolishly got sent off and will be a serious loss to us as he is a first class defender.
As for Kilcoo being cynical, bit of an exaggeration. Kilcoo are a hard working, tough tackling team, a look back at the simi final 12 months ago and it was the Ford who had the cynical players on board taking out a number of our lads.
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Your right, foolishly so therefore you are better off without him for a semi or final where his FOOLISH nature could cost you. Unfortunately this lad has a nasty track record if memory serves me right. Also have to agree with Pauly2 never seen a more cynical outfit in this county than Kilcoo, their manager being from Armagh obviously has it drilled into them, but dont think they ll get away with the 3rd man tackle and nasty stuff in the semi final or final, the word is out on them.
Oooh! Perhaps bowls would suit you better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 13, 2011, 10:12:09 AM
To come on here and say what you said about Anthony Devlin is nothin short of inaccurate and wrong. Disgusting? The man is as hard as nails and is one of the most physically imposing players about but in no way is he disgusting, cynical or dirty. Anthony is a player that gives his all and will empty the tank for the cause and even at the latter stages of a brilliant career has stil a lot to offer. The man is  one of the top players to ever wear the black and white since he made his debut for us back in 1996 as a 15 year old in division 3 where he went on to captain us to minor and under 21 championships, 2 Division 1 titles and play a major role in us securing the Frank OHare cup for the first time in 72 years, gaining the coveted player of the match award in the county final.
To say Castlewellan wouldnt have a player of his liking is laughable, he is a very well respected footballer throughout the county and is definatly not known as cynical or disgusting for that matter.
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You must be like the rest of the magpies - blinkered vision.. If you think this man aint dirty, cynical and disgusting as a player on the pitch - you are delusional.  I agree with a later post about the Kilcoo tactics - slowing down free kicks, not allowing the other team to move the ball quickly, getting the ball moved forward time and time again for standing in front of the ball or not releasing it.  But think back to the bridge in the early years when mc crory had them - same thing.  They frustrated the life outta teams by playing the game on their terms.  So its Jim who should take the plaudits on this one.  And no i wouldnt want him on our club team - we have enuf to worry about with out a dirty prat like him playin...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 13, 2011, 10:52:46 AM
jeez people, i am not a magpie but to call any player those names is imho way over the top. Would you call him those names to his face?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 13, 2011, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 13, 2011, 10:52:46 AM
jeez people, i am not a magpie but to call any player those names is imho way over the top. Would you call him those names to his face?

Not a chance. Typical Castlewellan jelousey that their wee neighbours are streets ahead of them in terms of talent and class. I love a nice rivalry with our neighbours but to slabber about an absoulte gentleman and a brilliant player with words like those that have been used is nothing short of disrespectful and totally wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: infinity on September 13, 2011, 12:59:16 PM
As a Castlewellan poster I would have to agree MDG, bit cowardly of Pauly2 to slate any player like that behind an internet username. Incidentally, What do you think of Anthony Devlin as a footballer Pauly2?...Personally I think he would surely be in the top 10 players over the last 10 years in division 1 and has had a huge part to play in the upturn in Kilcoos fortunes over the same period. Very disappointed in Bryansford on Sunday and Mayobridge on Friday. On the face of things it looks like Burren and Kilcoo could make Down club football a 'duopoly' over the next while.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: real food, real people on September 13, 2011, 01:54:14 PM
Anthony Devlin was & is an absolute gentleman. Had the pleasure of playing alongside him. Would never be an instigator but would always hold his own physically. The town have had a fair few like that of their own over the years.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on September 13, 2011, 02:12:59 PM
Folks, I attended all the senior championship matches at the weekend and Kilcoo were the pick of the bunch. In this match Byransford were simply not up for the fight. Kilcoo bossed them from start to finish. Pete Mc Grath at one point was even visibily dissappointed with the level of passion shown from some of his players.... Kilcoo simply gave a very passionate team perfomance and got most players behind the ball to pack their defence..Byransford simply had no answer.  GOD HELP CLONDUFF
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 13, 2011, 09:11:41 PM
Anthony Devlin is the first man I would have on my team.
Admire Kilcoo, respect their players,don't like their manager - he brings cynicism to a new level.
Clonduff have pride and won't roll over but I don't think there will be many predicting anything other than a Burren V Kilcoo final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on September 13, 2011, 09:15:21 PM
Jealously is an awful thing.

Anthony Devlin is a fantastic football and would walk on to any team in the county and should be selected for the county panel.

If everybody thought Kilcoo were dirty on Sunday. Where Bryansford innocent?

Also Pete McGrath sending on Aidan Shields to try and start a row late on shows how much he wanted to win the game. That was an absolute disgrace. He started the row on Sunday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 13, 2011, 09:30:20 PM
Top ten Club players over the last ten years

1 Benny coulter (Mayobridge)
2.Gavin Barry (Mayobridge)
3.Ronan Sexton (Mayobridge)
4.Aidan Shields (Bryansford)
5.Liam Doyle (Laitroim)
6.Mark Doran (Stone)
7.Eoghan Woods (Mayobridge)
8.P O Mc Conville (Clonduff)
9.Ronan Mc Govern (Burren)
10.Conor Lavery (Kilcoo) (maybe played 8 or 9 of the 10 years)


Outside that you have the likes of
Declan Rooney (Mayobridge) was a massive player for them in their glory years
Noel Sexton Mayobridge
Adrian Barry (Pluggy) (Mayobridge)

These guys and more from Mayobridge all have 8 championship medals and numerous league medals in their pocket and you have the cheek to say Devlin would be in top 10 - catch a grip...
Lavery is in there because he creates a buzz when he is on the ball.  He is difficult to mark and is chief in everything Kilcoo do and will do in the future.

The next ten years and Devlin still wont be in the top ten players... But i do agree with previous poster that Burren and Kilcoo look like sharing the most of the next 5-8 championships. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 13, 2011, 09:46:58 PM
Interesting list.

I'd say Liam Doyle hasn't played 20 games for Liatroim in those 10 years.

Putting Ronan McGovern on it is Burren tokenism. A very good player, but nowhere near a list like this. Same with Pio; if we must include a Clonduff man it would be Shane Ward.

I'd put Devlin up there with or maybe even higher than the likes of Ward, Conor Daly, Aidan O Prey as outstandingly reliable Division 1 players of the past decade. Once you get past the county mainstays, these are the fellas who did it for years.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 13, 2011, 09:59:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 13, 2011, 09:46:58 PM
Interesting list.

I'd say Liam Doyle hasn't played 20 games for Liatroim in those 10 years.

Putting Ronan McGovern on it is Burren tokenism. A very good player, but nowhere near a list like this. Same with Pio; if we must include a Clonduff man it would be Shane Ward.

I'd put Devlin up there with or maybe even higher than the likes of Ward, Conor Daly, Aidan O Prey as outstandingly reliable Division 1 players of the past decade. Once you get past the county mainstays, these are the fellas who did it for years.

Burren Tokenism - are you serious?? he is nearly 37 and in all my years watching burren play i have yet to see him having a bad game.. he is their mr consistent and you coming on here suggesting different really shows what an idiot you are... Shane ward did cross my mind - but for the underage talent this man had - he sits in the bracket of potential - and its a pity he didnt fulfill his.. O'Prey is good steady player for sure and Daly for Rostrevor was steady - but does he get a nod over the likes of jarlath austin who was class for the reds?? jarlath Farrell - who on sunday showed again how good he still is with a real confident display.  Colm Mc Crickard for Laitroim was another who crossed my mind who gave his all for club...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 13, 2011, 10:05:38 PM
for anyone to say they wouldnt want anthony devlin on their team clearly doesnt understand just how good a club player he has been over the years. the personal attacks on certain players are unwarranted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 14, 2011, 09:04:00 AM
QuoteBurren Tokenism - are you serious?? he is nearly 37 and in all my years watching burren play i have yet to see him having a bad game.. he is their mr consistent and you coming on here suggesting different really shows what an idiot you are

I didn't suggest different, I suggested a sense of realism. Learn how to read before turning on the personal insults.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on September 14, 2011, 10:00:32 AM
Did Conor Daly ever play senior football for Down ? A fine player with a great left peg the best player in the county underage at his age group, but can't remember him playing seniors even the McKenna cup i'm sure someone will put me right.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 14, 2011, 10:07:29 AM
I'm pretty sure Daly played corner-forward in that fateful day against Antrim in 2002.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 14, 2011, 10:10:25 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 14, 2011, 10:07:29 AM
I'm pretty sure Daly played corner-forward in that fateful day against Antrim in 2002.


Lot of stuff on this website


http://www.gaainfo.com/players/football/down/Conor%20Daly.php
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on September 14, 2011, 11:28:55 AM
Looks to be not a bad website that to be fair, just a few inaccuracies. Like the one player having multiple links. Incredible amount of work to go into that though. It includes challenge games and everything.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 14, 2011, 12:48:29 PM
Down GAA are delighted to announce an incentive for patrons who wish to attend both Senior and Intermediate Football Championship Semi-Finals in Pairc Esler on the weekend 24th/25th September.

Admission Prices to the Down Championship Games which to date have been maintained at last year's rates will remain the same for the Semi-Finals and Finals.

Admission to the Stand for each Semi-Final will be £10 but as an incentive to patrons wishing to attend both games we are offering a 15% reduction by means of purchasing in advance a double ticket for £17.



This ticket will be available only from the Down County Office from Thursday 15th September and will ensure that you can watch the following games at a Special price of £17.



Saturday 24th September

Around a Pound Intermediate Football Championship

5.30pm Clann na Banna v Kilclief



Morgan Milk Senior Football Championship

7.15pm Clonduff v Kilcoo



Sunday 25th September

Around a Pound Intermediate Football Championship

5.30pm Ballymartin v Dundrum



Morgan Milk Senior Football Championship

7.15pm Burren v Rostrevor


It was £8 on Sunday Past? Why a rise?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 14, 2011, 01:44:25 PM
Conor was a good player alright but lazy too wouldnt say he was the best at his age group when you consider Marty Doyle , Shane Ward and one of the Caulifields cant think of his name who was Rostrevors stand out player at that age group
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 14, 2011, 01:46:50 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 14, 2011, 12:48:29 PM
Down GAA are delighted to announce an incentive for patrons who wish to attend both Senior and Intermediate Football Championship Semi-Finals in Pairc Esler on the weekend 24th/25th September.

Admission Prices to the Down Championship Games which to date have been maintained at last year's rates will remain the same for the Semi-Finals and Finals.

Admission to the Stand for each Semi-Final will be £10 but as an incentive to patrons wishing to attend both games we are offering a 15% reduction by means of purchasing in advance a double ticket for £17.



This ticket will be available only from the Down County Office from Thursday 15th September and will ensure that you can watch the following games at a Special price of £17.



Saturday 24th September

Around a Pound Intermediate Football Championship

5.30pm Clann na Banna v Kilclief



Morgan Milk Senior Football Championship

7.15pm Clonduff v Kilcoo



Sunday 25th September

Around a Pound Intermediate Football Championship

5.30pm Ballymartin v Dundrum



Morgan Milk Senior Football Championship

7.15pm Burren v Rostrevor


It was £8 on Sunday Past? Why a rise?

Because its simi final stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on September 14, 2011, 04:53:47 PM
Conor Daly was an excellent player at minor level, a great left footed free taker. He would have been on the 1995 minor team which reached the Ulster Final. There were some other good players on that squad including Stephen Caulfield, Shane Ward, Paul Shields, Tom Morgan. Does anyone know the full team for that final??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on September 14, 2011, 08:52:24 PM
P Travers
H Green
P Shields
L Rooney
P Matthews
T Morgan
E O Hagan
K Franklin
A Gallagher
C Daly
P Cunningham
K Doran
S Caulfield
G Hynds
S Ward
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on September 14, 2011, 09:39:40 PM
Interesting tussle going on at the moment between Rostrevor and Kilcoo with their Reserve teams in the County final this friday night, while Rostrevor are also contesting the thirds final as well on the same night.

Another fact would be that Rostrevor and Kilcoo 2nds are also joint top for the ACPRL division 1 title, with them still to play each other for the League title.

Could this be fate in 2011 that both clubs senior teams could meet in the Senior Championship final????

Kilcoo Seniors have run away with the league and their Minors are also hotly tipped for the minor championship title aswell. How do they do it?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 14, 2011, 10:50:29 PM
P Travers - Still keeping goal for Bryansford
H Green - Managing his homeclub's Senior side Teconnaught
P Shields - Managing Dundrum
L Rooney - Still lining out at corner back for Clann na Banna
P Matthews - Clonduff?
T Morgan - Managed Tullylish for awhile and still involved afaik
E O Hagan - ?
K Franklin - Managed Warrenpoint
A Gallagher - ?
C Daly - Rostrevor
P Cunningham - Ballymartin?
K Doran - ?
S Caulfield - ?
G Hynds - ?
S Ward - Clonduff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 14, 2011, 11:08:17 PM
Conor Daly recently returned to play for seconds in the championship to add a bit of depth to their squad. Surprised if he doesn't play some role on Friday night.

Rostrevor minors also still in the championship as well could be another rostrevor kilcoo final there too!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 14, 2011, 11:27:16 PM
Down fanatic:

Paudie Matthews, retired from playing with Clonduff a couple of seasons back.

Eugene O Hagan, Clonduff man too. Would have won a SFC in 2000 and played for Down around then. Think he went to America a few years ago.

Think K Doran is Ciaran Doran of Loughinisland. Either him or the brother was still playing last year, mostly at wing back.

Stephen Caulfield of Rostrevor scored 3 goals in the 1st round game that year. Never played much senior football for the reds.

Paul Cunningham played centre forward for Ballymartin until last season I think.


I've no idea who Gallagher or Hynds are. That was my minor year and I never came across either. You'd assume a Hynds is from Drumgath, but I dont think it for this one.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 14, 2011, 11:53:21 PM
Gallagher or Hynds, not sure which one, was from Downpatrick, nearly sure they were both east down. Gallagher went into the final against Derry that year either carrying an injury or ruled out through injury and he was pivotal to that team.
Derry had a young Enda Muldoon in devastating form and Joe Diamond at 14 who was aso great player at that age. SM Lockhart marshalled their defence i think too. Loup's Johnny McBride captained the side.
Mal McMurray from the boso was also a standout player on that Down team in defence at some stage.
Eugene O'Hagan did go to America, was a fine player. Alot of very decent footballers on that team. alot more of them should have went on to extended senior careers.
Daly hit all the frees from the right and caulfield from the right, all off the ground to for both players. Paul 'Rubber' Cunningham from ballymartinn was on the Down Minors for abot 4 years in a row, was the playmaker on that team in 1995.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on September 15, 2011, 08:57:45 AM
P Travers
H Green
P Shields
L Rooney
P Matthews
T Morgan
E O Hagan
K Franklin
A Gallagher
C Daly
P Cunningham
K Doran
S Caulfield
G Hynds
S Ward

Cheers for that angermanagement, there are some forgotten names on that team. I don't see Mal McMurray's name on the team, did he not play in the final?

It is good to see that most of the team are still involved in the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on September 15, 2011, 09:53:53 AM
20 years today since Down defeated Meath in the '91 final. Anyone feeling old? :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 15, 2011, 11:41:58 AM
Hope its not another 20 years until the next one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on September 15, 2011, 12:58:24 PM
I remember that minor team they gave us a few good days out in Clones that year only to be beaten by Derry in the final who had Muldoon and johnny McBride and the likes. Very few of our team went on to play much serios senior county football. Think Travers was the captain as well if memory serves me which is a rare thing for a goalie.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 15, 2011, 01:06:55 PM
Who managed that team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 15, 2011, 01:07:31 PM
QuoteI've no idea who Gallagher or Hynds are. That was my minor year and I never came across either. You'd assume a Hynds is from Drumgath, but I dont think it for this one.


Gavin Hynds from the RGU.  Hardy was a great big lump for a minor and a good footballer but suffered a bad knee injury, I'm not sure if he ever played senior football.  His big brother Ian played for the RGU for a long time and might well have a couple of SFC medals.

Big 7 days for Kilclief coming up, IHC final on Saturday and IFC semi final the next Saturday.

Really hope the hurlers do it, the manager is one of life's gentlemen and he deserves it for his years of excellence and commitment to both codes in the club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on September 15, 2011, 03:07:16 PM
Gerry Doherty was the manager of that 1995 squad.

Just looking there were 5 St. Colmans men on that team, P. Shields, P. Matthews, T. Morgan, K. Franklin, C. Daly. That was a bad year for those boys! They were beaten in the McRory Cup Final by Maghera. Two defeats in a few months by the Derry men!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 15, 2011, 05:03:45 PM
They were pretty much stufed in both games. Derry football was producing some talent back then, alot of which actualy went on to senior football and were the mainstay for a long time. The opposite of the Colmans McCrory/Down minor squad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 15, 2011, 05:18:06 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 15, 2011, 05:03:45 PM
They were pretty much stufed in both games. Derry football was producing some talent back then, alot of which actualy went on to senior football and were the mainstay for a long time. The opposite of the Colmans McCrory/Down minor squad

But sure half the Colmans team were probably shipped in from Lurgan et Armagh!  :P

On a serious note the problem probably lay with wee Pete being too loyal to the old brigade and we nearly lost a whole generation of footballer late 90's early 00's...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 15, 2011, 06:22:11 PM
we didnt nearly lose a generation, we actually did lose a generation more or less.
whilst Paul McFlynn, Johnny McBride, Enda Muldoon SM Lockhart & co were the mainstay of the Derry seniors for a good few years, guys like Paul Shields, Peter Travers, Paudi Matthews, Henry Greene, Conor Daly, Tom Morgan, Mal McMurray to name but a few were left by the wayside. They might have been on senior panels for a year or two training away and occasionally starting but they were never brought on or developed like they should have been. McGrath was too loyal to the old brigade and wouldnt clear the cupboard clean to bring in the next batch until it was too late. alot of guys acted as training cones for those latter years of his, young, fit and eager guys used only to push the older fellas in the hope that they would get a game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 15, 2011, 09:29:37 PM
Very true Brick, with the exception of Peter Travers. Although he was (is) a fantastic keeper, he was desperately unlucky that Mickey McVeigh was around at the same time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 16, 2011, 12:50:35 PM
The 1995 Maghera team were something else - they basically ran straight over the top of St Colman's in the MacRory final.

Maghera also obliterated the Abbey in the semi-final that year, even though the Abbey had Aidan O'Rourke, Enda McNulty, the McEntees, Barry Duffy, Mal McMurray, Paul Cunningham and Gavin Treanor in their ranks. Val Kane had a lot to answer for at that time; Abbey had gifted players throughout the 90s.

But, not too many of the Maghera men them made any impact at senior level. Sean Marty Lockhart obviously went onto great things and David O'Neill played strongly for a few years, but I can't think of too many others. The other stars of the team were Adrian McGuckin and Mark Diamond, but McGuckin was pretty much injured from then onwards, and Diamond's powers waned dramatically when he went to Queen's - not even drink related, he just seemed to slow up or something.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 16, 2011, 02:44:05 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 15, 2011, 06:22:11 PM
we didnt nearly lose a generation, we actually did lose a generation more or less.
whilst Paul McFlynn, Johnny McBride, Enda Muldoon SM Lockhart & co were the mainstay of the Derry seniors for a good few years, guys like Paul Shields, Peter Travers, Paudi Matthews, Henry Greene, Conor Daly, Tom Morgan, Mal McMurray to name but a few were left by the wayside. They might have been on senior panels for a year or two training away and occasionally starting but they were never brought on or developed like they should have been. McGrath was too loyal to the old brigade and wouldnt clear the cupboard clean to bring in the next batch until it was too late. alot of guys acted as training cones for those latter years of his, young, fit and eager guys used only to push the older fellas in the hope that they would get a game.
You could argue Tyrone are in the process of making the same mistake.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on September 16, 2011, 03:25:14 PM
I agree with you Brick, Pete McGrath was lets say a bit slow in bringing in new talent at that time. I know a lot of that 1995 team progressed to the Under 21's for the next 3 years and very few of them were given a chance to play at senior level. The late 90's and early 2000's was a period when changes needed to be made to an ageing Down senior squad and it didn't really happen. The other agrument is that some of these guys were not good enough to break into a senior set up. I disagree, given a chance the guys Brick has mentioned in that 1995 squad could have made a difference in a rebuilding process at that time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 16, 2011, 10:36:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 16, 2011, 10:28:02 PM
Rostrevor won the PRFC tonight and Bryansford won the RFC.

Kilcoo won the PRFC 1-10 to 0-6.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 16, 2011, 11:01:54 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 16, 2011, 10:36:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 16, 2011, 10:28:02 PM
Rostrevor won the PRFC tonight and Bryansford won the RFC.

Kilcoo won the PRFC 1-10 to 0-6.

Down website had it the wrong way round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 16, 2011, 11:17:00 PM
Would there be an arguement for the division 3 league to begin a month earlier than the other divisions next season as each club has 4 extra fixtures than the top 2 divisions. Most clubs still have 6 games left, Bosco have 7. I think it is ridiculous that games are now scheduled for saturdays, our club probably suffers more than most due to clashes with soccer games. I think the Friday night games are excellent but as it gets darker, sooner, games should be played on their traditional Sunday slot. We will play Darragh tomorrow, then next week we have no game because Kilclief are still in championship, so we will go into October with 5 league games still to be played. If previous years are to go by, we cannot play on Sunday because there are Ulster club fixtures so our fixtures will clash directly with the soccer fixtures.
More importantly the play-offs for promotion and relegation will probably take place in November, possibly in atrocious conditions in what will be the most important games that the participating clubs will play that season. Someone argued before that the weather can be just as bad in March, which is true but at least there is the rest of the summer to rearrange games that may be postponed.
When the league fixtures were released at the start of the season there was no provision for at least 4 or 5 sets of fixtures for div 3 clubs. This shows a lack of respect for clubs and players, a club should know at the start of the year when the league is due to start and finish. The first half of the season seems to run well, then you have the july holidays, then the championship, then the all ireland finals, then the ulster club games and when the league is eventually finished you have the playoffs played in the pissings of rain and wind at the end of November.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 17, 2011, 08:32:31 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 15, 2011, 01:07:31 PM

Big 7 days for Kilclief coming up, IHC final on Saturday and IFC semi final the next Saturday.

Really hope the hurlers do it, the manager is one of life's gentlemen and he deserves it for his years of excellence and commitment to both codes in the club.

Should be a tight game. Liatroim aren't as strong as they were and Kilclief have improved. It must be 10 years since Kilclief were in the final.

Who is the manager No 1?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 17, 2011, 12:06:56 PM
Colin Shields. Good rivalry between our hurlers and the Fontenoy's, ref could be busy enough!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 17, 2011, 12:34:06 PM
I didnt know shieldsy was managing your hurlers no1, he's a sound lad alrite. Best of luck against leitreim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 17, 2011, 12:45:26 PM
On Ardtole's thoughts on the fixtures, I have to agree with a number of his points.

In previous years, there has always been 4-5 weeks at the beginning of the season where there have been fixtures Fri Mon Fri Mon and so on in order to get 8- 10 games played off in the first 5-6 weeks but this has not been the case this season.

For the first time the Master Fixture list set out at the start of the year did not include all fixtures - I think it only went to Babhta 17 for Div 3 clubs.

Also, there was a time in May where there was a 2 week break ( a blank weekend ) for no particular reason.

Last weekend was championship weekend but there was no effort made to play off some fixtures involving clubs out of the championship which would surely help things later on.

The July break this year and last was 3 and a half weeks whereas it has previously been 2 and a half.

It was obvious from very early on that there would be a backlog of fixtures later in the year. Kilclief are going to be in the Div 3 playoffs and could make an intermediate final. They could easily be going well into November at this stage.

If Down had of had a longer run this year, things would only be worse.

Now I know a lot of effort goes into arranging a fixture list and the men who give up their time to do it should be commended but really it was fairly obvious that there was going to be a backlog. As Ardtole says, I think that the smaller clubs have been let down here. Div 1 and Div 2 are wrapping up nicely around now with leagues and championships to be decided over the next month but the same cannot be said about Div 3. Div 4 I think is not as bad with less teams.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 17, 2011, 12:49:01 PM
Are Rostrevor the top club in the county this year??? U14s win south down championship, u16s are in final, minors are in semi final, thirds beaten finalists, seconds beaten finalists and seniors are in semi final... thats some consistency for a club throughout the age groups... fair play to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on September 17, 2011, 01:21:48 PM
Your probably right there pauly2, Great year for the Rostrevor club as I understand they have put in alot of work at the underage this year. The only other club that really get close to this would be Kilcoo id say. I no alot of their teams are still in contention for titles.

Very interesting to see today that Clonduff have sent a senior team to the Kilmacud All Ireland 7s today, especially with the semi finals of the c-ship next weekend. Does anyone know if Burren, Kilcoo or Rostrevor sent a team down today? This to me shows were there priorities lie ahead of next weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on September 17, 2011, 01:35:42 PM
Apologies for my previous post there, just found out that none of the four semi finalists have sent a team down.

Although I understand that all the Down club teams are currently winning/leading there groups which consists of An Roicht, Castlewellan, Bryansford and Longstone.

More info on this can be found on the Kilmacud GAC football website.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 17, 2011, 01:42:28 PM
Agree with Ardtole and minus 15 on points of season going on too long. I think the two games a week for 4 weeks at start of season is an idea county board could look at especially in divisions 3 and 4. Then come the summer break there would be up to 18 league games played. This would leave 4-5 games to be played after the break which would allow championships and play offs to be sorted out by mid October at the latest. A season going on to mid November after preseason starting in January is too long in my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 17, 2011, 06:34:08 PM
Bisco 2-12 Dundrum 0-10.
Also I See the ford beat the town by a point in the kilmacud 7s final the day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on September 17, 2011, 08:31:35 PM
Ardglass were desperate in their clash with Darragh Cross today. They were crushed in every position. Obviously suffering from lads playing soccer. but there are several teams with boys who play the no hand to ball game. many of which make the choice to put the gaa first. each to their own but i think some of the soccer clubs should try harded to encourage gaa first from an early age. the div 3 league is dragging on but i cant help feel teams are complaining more so because the gaa is interfering with their other sport. when i played football i didnt want it to end so it shouldnt matter if its going into Nov. Does the macrory cup not start around then?

Title: Champions
Post by: No1 on September 17, 2011, 08:49:28 PM
Well done to the Kilclief hurlers today, well deserved victory. Pints are flowing!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on September 18, 2011, 02:44:57 AM
Well done lads ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 18, 2011, 03:09:20 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on September 17, 2011, 12:49:01 PM
Are Rostrevor the top club in the county this year??? U14s win south down championship, u16s are in final, minors are in semi final, thirds beaten finalists, seconds beaten finalists and seniors are in semi final... thats some consistency for a club throughout the age groups... fair play to them.

Can't forget the ladies winning their championship too!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on September 18, 2011, 07:35:16 AM
Dont get too carried away just yet Bannaman,like yourselves Dundrum are relatively new to this stage of the championship and their confidence will have lifted coming from behind late on to win against Attical,whilst Ballymartin have a great championship pedigree stretching back many years including winning the title,Kilcleif too regularly quailfy for the latter stages and will not be lacking in motivationor ability(and remember their hurlers won at the weekend)Clann Na Banna did very well to win their two previous matches especially against another club with fine champioship credentials in Annaclone,as far as your own club is concerned it is fantastic to see your side progress and well done so far-but remember they dont hand out the cup at the quarter or semi-final stage!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on September 18, 2011, 09:08:16 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 17, 2011, 06:34:08 PM
Bisco 2-12 Dundrum 0-10.
Also I See the ford beat the town by a point in the kilmacud 7s final the day.
Yous seem to be more worried about the championshipthan the league?  A league win or two would be more important??
Title: Re: Champions
Post by: Lecale2 on September 18, 2011, 10:05:13 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 17, 2011, 08:49:28 PM
Well done to the Kilclief hurlers today, well deserved victory. Pints are flowing!

Well done indead! Sore head this morning No 1? I heard they were far the better team. It must be 10 years since you lot beat Laitroim in the championship.

I heard the Finn beat Kilwarlin in the league yesterday. Fair play to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on September 18, 2011, 10:58:12 AM
Quote from: 13aside on September 18, 2011, 07:35:16 AM
Dont get too carried away just yet Bannaman,like yourselves Dundrum are relatively new to this stage of the championship and their confidence will have lifted coming from behind late on to win against Attical,whilst Ballymartin have a great championship pedigree stretching back many years including winning the title,Kilcleif too regularly quailfy for the latter stages and will not be lacking in motivationor ability(and remember their hurlers won at the weekend)Clann Na Banna did very well to win their two previous matches especially against another club with fine champioship credentials in Annaclone,as far as your own club is concerned it is fantastic to see your side progress and well done so far-but remember they dont hand out the cup at the quarter or semi-final stage!!

Wouldnt worry too much about Bannaman, would actually be very surprised if he was even connected with our club in anyway. Having read his previous few posts I would be pretty confident he is not a member of Clann na Banna, and 100% confident he is not a player. Believe me no one in our club is under any illusions about the what lies ahead in the championship, and that aside we still have league games to worry about as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 18, 2011, 11:17:55 AM
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Can't forget the ladies winning their championship too!!
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Sorry completley forgot their ladies annexed the intermediate championship. Yes i agree that Kilcoo are competing at quite a few levels this year as well - but rostrevor are that little bit ahead at this stage imo. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 18, 2011, 01:09:13 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on September 18, 2011, 09:08:16 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 17, 2011, 06:34:08 PM
Bisco 2-12 Dundrum 0-10.
Also I See the ford beat the town by a point in the kilmacud 7s final the day.
Yous seem to be more worried about the championshipthan the league?  A league win or two would be more important??
Nonsense, you think we want to be playing division 4?? Attributing that defeat to being more interested in the championship is way off the mark.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 18, 2011, 01:55:05 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on September 18, 2011, 09:08:16 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 17, 2011, 06:34:08 PM
Bisco 2-12 Dundrum 0-10.
Also I See the ford beat the town by a point in the kilmacud 7s final the day.
Yous seem to be more worried about the championshipthan the league?  A league win or two would be more important??

You are way off the mark. For the past few months our main aim has been to secure Division 3 status and we have been fighting tooth and nail to do just that. Unfortunately we have been coming up short more times than enough though.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dannymcfella on September 18, 2011, 06:27:25 PM
Quote from: Bannaman on September 18, 2011, 05:18:59 PM
Quote from: 13aside on September 18, 2011, 07:35:16 AM
Dont get too carried away just yet Bannaman,like yourselves Dundrum are relatively new to this stage of the championship and their confidence will have lifted coming from behind late on to win against Attical,whilst Ballymartin have a great championship pedigree stretching back many years including winning the title,Kilcleif too regularly quailfy for the latter stages and will not be lacking in motivationor ability(and remember their hurlers won at the weekend)Clann Na Banna did very well to win their two previous matches especially against another club with fine champioship credentials in Annaclone,as far as your own club is concerned it is fantastic to see your side progress and well done so far-but remember they dont hand out the cup at the quarter or semi-final stage!!

How am I getting carried away.  I stated that I think whoever wins between us and Kilclief should win the championship.  I stated that Dundrum rely heavily on McComiskey, which they do and that if you can stop him that goes a long way to beating them.  I also stated that we beat Ballymartin twuce this year, 1 by 6 points, 1 by 7 so in any mans book that is comfortable.  Kilclief will be hard to beat and will have the momentum coming from the hurling.  We are no way a shoe in but I think we have the winning of it.

Quote from: Dannymcfella on September 18, 2011, 10:58:12 AM
Wouldnt worry too much about Bannaman, would actually be very surprised if he was even connected with our club in anyway. Having read his previous few posts I would be pretty confident he is not a member of Clann na Banna, and 100% confident he is not a player. Believe me no one in our club is under any illusions about the what lies ahead in the championship, and that aside we still have league games to worry about as well

I am connected to the club but nowhere did I say I was a player.  I don't know how you could read anything from any of my posts as I have only made 4 posts, 1 about the Kilmacud 7s, 1 on the Arsenal thread and the 2 posts on this thread.  You must have Colombo powers of deduction to be able to work anything out about who I am from that!

So what's your connection with the club then?
Pete Fitz had a very quiet game against us in Newcastle and I can't imagine him ever being that quiet again and wasn't available the first game against us which was a big loss to Ballymartin. They have actually got the better of us more times than not the last few seasons when he has been player so if anything Ballymartin would be Championship favourites. We are just focusing on Kilclief and neither other side are in our thoughts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 19, 2011, 03:03:27 PM
Seen Mooney home to give Rostrevor a boost for the championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 19, 2011, 09:18:40 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on September 19, 2011, 03:03:27 PM
Seen Mooney home to give Rostrevor a boost for the championship

Yeah he will def give burren something different to think about thats for sure... Massive help for the minors in the championship too... Will be interesting weekend.  Burren, Kilcoo is on everyones lips but ya just wouldn know.  the yellows and the reds could have a kick in them yet!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 21, 2011, 11:10:34 PM
Just looking at the Down Recorder there. Apparently Miceal Devlin and Seamus O'Hanlon are set to rule the roost at midfield for Kilcoo on Saturday evening. Gotta love Matt Fitzpatrick :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on September 22, 2011, 09:15:08 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on September 19, 2011, 09:18:40 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on September 19, 2011, 03:03:27 PM
Seen Mooney home to give Rostrevor a boost for the championship

Yeah he will def give burren something different to think about thats for sure... Massive help for the minors in the championship too... Will be interesting weekend.  Burren, Kilcoo is on everyones lips but ya just wouldn know.  the yellows and the reds could have a kick in them yet!!!

By f**k if they did! Been a long time for both clubs! That would really freshen up the championship!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 22, 2011, 11:42:03 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 21, 2011, 11:10:34 PM
Just looking at the Down Recorder there. Apparently Miceal Devlin and Seamus O'Hanlon are set to rule the roost at midfield for Kilcoo on Saturday evening. Gotta love Matt Fitzpatrick :)

The man is beyond a joke. His previews are getting worse, how or where would be have got the above names and how on earth could he even suggest they will rule the midfield roost. The Irish News on Saturday will likely be a copy and paste job from the recorder from Matt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 22, 2011, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 22, 2011, 11:42:03 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 21, 2011, 11:10:34 PM
Just looking at the Down Recorder there. Apparently Miceal Devlin and Seamus O'Hanlon are set to rule the roost at midfield for Kilcoo on Saturday evening. Gotta love Matt Fitzpatrick :)

The man is beyond a joke. His previews are getting worse, how or where would be have got the above names and how on earth could he even suggest they will rule the midfield roost. The Irish News on Saturday will likely be a copy and paste job from the recorder from Matt.

The Down Recorder's GAA coverage has become pure and utter dirt. For a start Matt's Chat and his erroneous match previews need scrapped. It also wouldn't do them any harm to send out a photographer for a game or two. When they use match reports sent in from club PRO's, they usually accompany them with pictures that were taken in the past few years. This year they put in a photograph to accompany a Dundrum match and it was of a few of our players playing in a game back in 2005.

The Mourne Observer's coverage is much better. Paddy McEvoy usually has two or three match reports in every week and Pat O'Hare always makes an effort to attend a League game on a Friday night to get photos. Joseph Donnan's match previews and reports are very accurate too and they are a welcome addition.

One thing both papers are missing though is weekly analysis/punditry columns. I think Benny Coulter does one for the Newry Democrat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 22, 2011, 01:38:54 PM
Is that the column were he snipes at burren every few weeks. Looking forward to championship football this weekend. I expect  burren and kilcoo wins at a canter. The two best teams in the county by a mile. Should be some final! Whoever wins the down championship this year will give ulster some crack
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on September 22, 2011, 09:47:20 PM
I don't know Matt Fitzpatrick but i seriously think he's only as good as the information he's been fed. This has happened a few times now and i strongly suspect someone at their work!
Someone mentioned the mourne observer having good GAA coverage?? If you're from Bryansford lols.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 22, 2011, 09:55:10 PM
Harps and the Bridge play in the league this Saturday 6pm IN the bridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 22, 2011, 10:04:48 PM
Is the club open or will McCoy's be the best spot for post semi final pints?!   Obviously there will be no-one at the club if youse are playing at Mayobridge!  ;D     McCoy's it is then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 23, 2011, 01:51:08 AM
Quote from: Oglach on September 22, 2011, 09:47:20 PM
I don't know Matt Fitzpatrick but i seriously think he's only as good as the information he's been fed. This has happened a few times now and i strongly suspect someone at their work!
Someone mentioned the mourne observer having good GAA coverage?? If you're from Bryansford lols.
Would it not be his job as a journalist to do some independent research?  first time have seen lols used on the board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 23, 2011, 07:54:59 AM
Lol lmao
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 23, 2011, 09:31:59 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 22, 2011, 10:04:48 PM
Is the club open or will McCoy's be the best spot for post semi final pints?!   Obviously there will be no-one at the club if youse are playing at Mayobridge!  ;D     McCoy's it is then.

McCoys is the best spot...good luck on Saturday!!
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 23, 2011, 06:48:33 PM
Any word that Martin Clarke has signed for Collingwood agin . Heard that today any truth ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on September 23, 2011, 10:06:05 PM
This is an old link but Collingwood dont have rights on him anymore. GWS the new club ( where Kennelly is rumoured to be heading) have first call through draft.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/several-clubs-keen-on-irishman-clarke-20110803-1ibnq.html


more here
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=ad01e0dbe4d027eb4041e43ac98a2f6b&t=821250&page=19
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 23, 2011, 11:56:10 PM
You know, our fixation with Aussie Rules is boring beyond belief. In the same way we embrace the bastard "international rules"!!!!
One or two players may catch their eye from time to time. Why should we be interersted or concerned?

Far more of our best players head off to the dizzy heights of Glenavon, Newry City (God help us), or  even Kilmarnock/St Mirren/silly Scottish nonentity (now there's an ambition) than ever get a wet winter in Australia.

A few quid for making your hobby a full-time meal ticket is always going to be an attractio. However I do like the loyalty gene that Mooney seems to have in coming home for the championship (one that the Reds have no hope of winning) Fiar play to him and the club.

I wish him well - but I suspect that already he has learned that Aussie rules - like Aussie roads - are not paved with gold.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 24, 2011, 09:04:11 AM
Leo the fact that our future half forward line almost  all ply their trade in oz is a worry for us in Down when we all ready have a small enough pick . Mooney would be home at this time any way no matter how well they have advanced in the championship nothing to do with Loyalty to the cause . If this was the case he would of played all year for Rostrevor seniors and not a few cameos just before he played for Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 24, 2011, 11:56:53 AM
Quote from: Leo on September 23, 2011, 11:56:10 PM
You know, our fixation with Aussie Rules is boring beyond belief. In the same way we embrace the b**tard "international rules"!!!!
One or two players may catch their eye from time to time. Why should we be interersted or concerned?

Far more of our best players head off to the dizzy heights of Glenavon, Newry City (God help us), or  even Kilmarnock/St Mirren/silly Scottish nonentity (now there's an ambition) than ever get a wet winter in Australia.

A few quid for making your hobby a full-time meal ticket is always going to be an attractio. However I do like the loyalty gene that Mooney seems to have in coming home for the championship (one that the Reds have no hope of winning) Fiar play to him and the club.

I wish him well - but I suspect that already he has learned that Aussie rules - like Aussie roads - are not paved with gold.

I forgot that one of Kilcoo Clonduff or Burren were invincible.. Idiot.

Also he was for coming home anyway so get your facts right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 24, 2011, 02:42:17 PM
ht in the first jfc semi bright 1-6 dromara 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 24, 2011, 02:48:00 PM
C'mon Dromara keep 'er lit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 24, 2011, 03:00:12 PM
1-7 to 1-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 24, 2011, 03:22:40 PM
2-9 to 1-15 droma up, 4 mins to go
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 24, 2011, 03:29:59 PM
dromara win 2-18 to 2-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 24, 2011, 03:34:06 PM
Good result for Dromara.  I had Bright as favourites for that one.  Wonder who they will get in the final?


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 24, 2011, 03:45:31 PM
Well done Dromara! 21 years since they lifted the IFC. Possibly their first Championship Final since then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 24, 2011, 04:46:42 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 24, 2011, 03:29:59 PM
dromara win 2-18 to 2-11
Jesus that must have been a busy last 5 mins. Well done dromara
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 24, 2011, 04:53:47 PM
Tconnaught 0.3 Bredagh 0.2 HT.  Low scoring and a stiff breeze.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 24, 2011, 04:59:53 PM
Bredagh won 0.9 - 0.5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 24, 2011, 06:56:04 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 24, 2011, 04:46:42 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 24, 2011, 03:29:59 PM
dromara win 2-18 to 2-11
Jesus that must have been a busy last 5 mins. Well done dromara

think I misread the scoreboard to be honest
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack4ever on September 24, 2011, 07:01:00 PM
Kilclief beat Clann na Banna 0-11 to 1-05. Thank God for Twitter. On to Clonduff v. Kilcoo...

Mrs. redandblack4ever
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack4ever on September 24, 2011, 08:09:15 PM
Half time score Kilcoo 1-5 Clonduff 0-6. C'mon the Yellas!!!

Mrs. redandblack4ever
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turkey+ham on September 24, 2011, 08:55:58 PM
Kilcoo beat????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 24, 2011, 08:57:56 PM
kilcoo 1-7 clonduff 0-11 FT. c'mon the yellas.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 24, 2011, 08:59:49 PM
Is that the biggest shock in Down GAA history?

In fairness, Clonduff's first XV, when they're all available, is a good solid team. Theyve not much to call on in reserve , but it's definitely a useful 15.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on September 24, 2011, 09:02:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 24, 2011, 08:59:49 PM
Is that the biggest shock in Down GAA history?

A seriously big shock YES - in Down GAA history? No.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack4ever on September 24, 2011, 09:06:30 PM
Over the moon here in Chicago. No one ever thought Clonduff had a chance. I'm so happy for the boys. You done excellently... Now win the whole damn thing and shut everyone up in Down...

Mrs. redandblack4ever
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 24, 2011, 09:17:00 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 24, 2011, 08:59:49 PM
Is that the biggest shock in Down GAA history?

In fairness, Clonduff's first XV, when they're all available, is a good solid team. Theyve not much to call on in reserve , but it's definitely a useful 15.

I think Teconnaught beat Burren in the 1st round of the championship the season after they won the all ireland. If I am right about that, then that would have to be the biggest shock of all time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 24, 2011, 09:53:13 PM
Teconnaught did beat Burren in the first round of the Down senior championship but I'm fairly sure it was in 1982 - four years before Burren's first AI club title. However, it was still a massive shock at the time, as Burren won every other Down SFC from 81 to 88. Their six in a row would probably have been eight in a row if they had beaten Teconnaught, who I think had Duckie Bell as player manager in 82. As far as I remember, it was a tight and low-scoring game in which Duckie put over almost every free which came his way. Teconnaught were pretty poor today, and Bredagh were not much better, but winning is all that counts in a semi final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on September 24, 2011, 09:53:52 PM
Gutted losing to our neighbours but thats sport. Kilcoo never matched Clonduff's work rate in the second half. I thought the ref (who done ok) awarded the yellows a few soft frees while kilcoo had to work hard for theirs. With all said Clonduff deserved the win and i'd like to see them win the championship..... Oh that hurts! :'( 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 24, 2011, 10:21:27 PM
For sheer excitement and passion value that was best championship game been to in a long time. With clonduff 2 behind with 10 minutes to go they had Aidan carr, Arthur mc Conville and Darren o hagan to really step up to the plate. Jason brown whilst near cost them at the end ultimately was their hero with a sublime strike from outside the 45. Kilcoo with the conveyor belt of talent at their disposal will surely be knocking on the good again. On the balance of play I think clonduff deserved their victory.
On a side note lot of posters seem be in same boat as me with 1 victory right out of 4 from today's games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 24, 2011, 10:36:59 PM
Two clinking games in Newry tonight. Kilclief's greater experience and physical power edged Banbridge in the end. Ciaran Sloan was in brilliant form for the East Down side. Banbridge missed an awful lot of chances. However, they are a youngish team and surely they have another run left in them in the forseeable future.

On another note, you really do have to give it to Kilclief. They are situated in far flung East Down with a limited enough pick yet they continually put out competitive football and hurling teams at Intermediate level as well as Camogie teams. A true all round club.

The Senior game was a clinker. I fancied Kilcoo not only for this game but for the Championship outright. Clonduff matched them early on for hunger and workrate and then the Yellas stepped beyond that. Paul Devlin's two missed frees in the 2nd half were extremely costly. Jason Brown's last score was a clinker.

Overall, I genuinely thought that Clonduff were probably the better team. Arthur McConville had a horse of a game while his midfield partner Darren O'Hagan was brilliant too. Brown and McPolin were classy up front aswell. The latter was actually denied two blatant enough penalty calls. Aidan Carr also had a fine game.

Its been a weekend of shocks so far and here's hoping that the Duns continue that trend tomorrow :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on September 25, 2011, 01:22:34 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 24, 2011, 10:36:59 PM
Two clinking games in Newry tonight. Kilclief's greater experience and physical power edged Banbridge in the end. Ciaran Sloan was in brilliant form for the East Down side. Banbridge missed an awful lot of chances. However, they are a youngish team and surely they have another run left in them in the forseeable future.

On another note, you really do have to give it to Kilclief. They are situated in far flung East Down with a limited enough pick yet they continually put out competitive football and hurling teams at Intermediate level as well as Camogie teams. A true all round club.

The Senior game was a clinker. I fancied Kilcoo not only for this game but for the Championship outright. Clonduff matched them early on for hunger and workrate and then the Yellas stepped beyond that. Paul Devlin's two missed frees in the 2nd half were extremely costly. Jason Brown's last score was a clinker.

Overall, I genuinely thought that Clonduff were probably the better team. Arthur McConville had a horse of a game while his midfield partner Darren O'Hagan was brilliant too. Brown and McPolin were classy up front aswell. The latter was actually denied two blatant enough penalty calls. Aidan Carr also had a fine game.

Its been a weekend of shocks so far and here's hoping that the Duns continue that trend tomorrow :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on September 25, 2011, 01:36:13 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on September 25, 2011, 01:22:34 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 24, 2011, 10:36:59 PM
Two clinking games in Newry tonight. Kilclief's greater experience and physical power edged Banbridge in the end. Ciaran Sloan was in brilliant form for the East Down side. Banbridge missed an awful lot of chances. However, they are a youngish team and surely they have another run left in them in the forseeable future.

On another note, you really do have to give it to Kilclief. They are situated in far flung East Down with a limited enough pick yet they continually put out competitive football and hurling teams at Intermediate level as well as Camogie teams. A true all round club.

The Senior game was a clinker. I fancied Kilcoo not only for this game but for the Championship outright. Clonduff matched them early on for hunger and workrate and then the Yellas stepped beyond that. Paul Devlin's two missed frees in the 2nd half were extremely costly. Jason Brown's last score was a clinker.

Overall, I genuinely thought that Clonduff were probably the better team. Arthur McConville had a horse of a game while his midfield partner Darren O'Hagan was brilliant too. Brown and McPolin were classy up front aswell. The latter was actually denied two blatant enough penalty calls. Aidan Carr also had a fine game.

Its been a weekend of shocks so far and here's hoping that the Duns continue that trend tomorrow :)

Clonduff showed tonight why the are known as a Championship team.  Balls? Clonduff won. Committement? Clonduff on heart? Clonduff won.  I didnt get out of work early enough to see all of the first game but i was walking in when kilcoo were and they were too cocky for their own good.  REMEREBER: ITS NOT THE DOG IN THE FIGHT, BUT THE FIGHT IN THE DOG!!!!!!!!!!!!     tHINK kILCOO CAN NOW TAKE THE BANNER AT THE SHOP WHICH STATES "iVE GOT A FEELING" FEEELING OF WHAT??????                                                              Felling of what?????      leagues??? they mean nothing in club football/quote]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on September 25, 2011, 01:39:29 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on September 25, 2011, 01:36:13 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on September 25, 2011, 01:22:34 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 24, 2011, 10:36:59 PM
Two clinking games in Newry tonight. Kilclief's greater experience and physical power edged Banbridge in the end. Ciaran Sloan was in brilliant form for the East Down side. Banbridge missed an awful lot of chances. However, they are a youngish team and surely they have another run left in them in the forseeable future.

On another note, you really do have to give it to Kilclief. They are situated in far flung East Down with a limited enough pick yet they continually put out competitive football and hurling teams at Intermediate level as well as Camogie teams. A true all round club.

The Senior game was a clinker. I fancied Kilcoo not only for this game but for the Championship outright. Clonduff matched them early on for hunger and workrate and then the Yellas stepped beyond that. Paul Devlin's two missed frees in the 2nd half were extremely costly. Jason Brown's last score was a clinker.

Overall, I genuinely thought that Clonduff were probably the better team. Arthur McConville had a horse of a game while his midfield partner Darren O'Hagan was brilliant too. Brown and McPolin were classy up front aswell. The latter was actually denied two blatant enough penalty calls. Aidan Carr also had a fine game.

Its been a weekend of shocks so far and here's hoping that the Duns continue that trend tomorrow :)

Clonduff showed tonight why the are known as a Championship team.  Balls? Clonduff won. Committement? Clonduff on heart? Clonduff won.  I didnt get out of work early enough to see all of the first game but i was walking in when kilcoo were and they were too cocky for their own good.  REMEREBER: ITS NOT THE DOG IN THE FIGHT, BUT THE FIGHT IN THE DOG!!!!!!!!!!!!     IHINK kILCOO CAN NOW TAKE THE BANNER AT THE SHOP WHICH STATES "iVE GOT A FEELING" FEEELING OF WHAT??????  leagues??? they mean nothing in club football/quote]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 25, 2011, 01:43:16 AM
well well well - what about that for a result tonight... i wonder where all the people are hiding now who clained devlin a top ten player in the last ten years.  PO Mc Conville came across him just the once in the game and he didnt want to know after it.  A classic case of the bully being bullied... when the physical stakes stepped up the likes of PD, JJ, Devlin, Lavery, and the other so called hard man S O Hanlon were no where to be seen.  in fact some really displayed their true colours when there was dirty ball to be won and didnt go for it.... Thought Darren OHagan had a horse of a game and gave some of the best hits in this years championship.  Mc Conville hit couple of sweet frees and was so glad Brown scored that last one considering Mc Corry put him off with one particular kick in the first half at the sideline.  Jason had the last laugh.  Now for tomorrow.  Rostrevor definitely have a kick in them yet and if parr, mackin and the fegans can click - it will be a very different county final this year!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 25, 2011, 01:47:57 AM
Darren O'Hagan should be the top of wee James' list of starters for Down. I know he had injuries but tonight showed, again, that he is a class act and the sort of player we are going to need badly in the post- Marty era.
Tough on Kilcoo but they will know that pride is a serious motivator, so maybe not as big a a shock as some seem to think. After all, Clonduff are a serious team and while a Down title might be the extent of their ambition, I would always have respect for a Clonduff team in a championship game. Maybe Jim Mc Corry didn't.
Earlier, I was impressed with Dromara- again, pride in the shirt is a big issue. Bredagh will need to match that pride in the final.
Agree that Kilclief are a bit of an unsung hero team- a lot of so called bigger names have learned that to their cost and I wouldn't rule them out as an ultimate winner of the IFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on September 25, 2011, 08:17:44 AM
Was in Parc Esler last night for both games,first of all i would hope for a speedy recovery to the Kilclief player injured right at the start of the IFC semi-final.The East Down men had a sharpshooter in Sloan in corner-forward and former minor AI winner Kerr knocked over a super score-and also their manager had them well schooled in picking up players at free-kicks and their over-all strength saw them through.As for CNB they persisted throughout even during the final quarter with having their forwards outnumbered and this left them living on scraps,both their mid-fielders scored excellent points but i felt the numerical defecit in attack cost them dear.The senior game was great entertainment for the neutral,red-hot favourites Kilcoo were out-done by a determined hard-working Clonduff outfit.Indiscipline might have cost them the win as a free was moved forward in the final minute,however they are heartily congratulated for the win in an ethralling encounter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 25, 2011, 10:37:14 AM
Quote from: ardtole on September 24, 2011, 09:17:00 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 24, 2011, 08:59:49 PM
Is that the biggest shock in Down GAA history?

In fairness, Clonduff's first XV, when they're all available, is a good solid team. Theyve not much to call on in reserve , but it's definitely a useful 15.

I think Teconnaught beat Burren in the 1st round of the championship the season after they won the all ireland. If I am right about that, then that would have to be the biggest shock of all time.

I think back in the early 80s Carryduff- inj their first year in senior championship I think - had a shock win over Loughinisland and a couple of years later over one of the Championship favourites at the time An Riocht.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 25, 2011, 12:37:25 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 25, 2011, 10:37:14 AM
Quote from: ardtole on September 24, 2011, 09:17:00 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 24, 2011, 08:59:49 PM
Is that the biggest shock in Down GAA history?

In fairness, Clonduff's first XV, when they're all available, is a good solid team. Theyve not much to call on in reserve , but it's definitely a useful 15.

I think Teconnaught beat Burren in the 1st round of the championship the season after they won the all ireland. If I am right about that, then that would have to be the biggest shock of all time.

I think back in the early 80s Carryduff- inj their first year in senior championship I think - had a shock win over Loughinisland and a couple of years later over one of the Championship favourites at the time An Riocht.

Dromara beat Rostrevor in the 1st round of the SFC in 1991.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 25, 2011, 06:30:20 PM
any latest scores?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on September 25, 2011, 07:30:00 PM
3-2 Burren. It's on twitter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 25, 2011, 07:33:13 PM
ballymartin beat dundrum 15pts to 10.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 25, 2011, 07:46:28 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on September 25, 2011, 07:30:00 PM
3-2 Burren. It's on twitter
9-4 Burren now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 25, 2011, 08:13:57 PM
IFC Semi Final

Ballymartin 0-14  Dundrum 0-10

A gallant performance from ourselves against a team that was expected to steamroller us. Ballymartin just edged away in the final ten minutes when their fitness started to come to the fore.

The Mourne men led 0-06 to 0-05 at halftime and they kept themselves ahead for the rest of the game. We only had 18 players available to us today and I think we surpassed all expectations in reaching our first IFC Semi Final in 17 years. Coincidentally it was Ballymartin that beat us at that stage aswell.

Kilclief will definitely fancy their chances against the Lilywhites in the Final. Its back to the League for us and trying to avoid the relegation playoffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 25, 2011, 08:14:07 PM
Who won the hurling lads?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 25, 2011, 08:15:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 25, 2011, 08:14:07 PM
Who won the hurling lads?
Cran by a point, last min goal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on September 25, 2011, 08:47:13 PM
Burren into final.1-14 0-06.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 25, 2011, 09:07:06 PM
SHC final won by Ballycran.

Ballycran 1-11 Ports 13 pts. Ballycran scored a goal in the second minute of injury time to put them a pt a head. Portaferry missed a 30 yard free to equalise with the last puck of the game. Good final played in very bad conditions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 25, 2011, 10:29:27 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on September 25, 2011, 08:47:13 PM
Burren into final.1-14 0-06.

What a performance... Rostrevor were second best throughout and Burren can rightly take their place in their second consecutive county final. On this performance tonight they will win at a canter - but can they reproduce it again in 3 weeks that is the question... Sean Murdock, Conor Toner, Anton, Mc Kernan, Gerard Mc Cartan, O'Hare and shay Mc Ardle were all good for the victors with rostrevor having noone really shining...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 25, 2011, 10:39:07 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 25, 2011, 12:37:25 PM
Quote from: Leo on September 25, 2011, 10:37:14 AM
Quote from: ardtole on September 24, 2011, 09:17:00 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 24, 2011, 08:59:49 PM
Is that the biggest shock in Down GAA history?

In fairness, Clonduff's first XV, when they're all available, is a good solid team. Theyve not much to call on in reserve , but it's definitely a useful 15.

I think Teconnaught beat Burren in the 1st round of the championship the season after they won the all ireland. If I am right about that, then that would have to be the biggest shock of all time.

I think back in the early 80s Carryduff- inj their first year in senior championship I think - had a shock win over Loughinisland and a couple of years later over one of the Championship favourites at the time An Riocht.

Dromara beat Rostrevor in the 1st round of the SFC in 1991.

Teconnaught beat Rostrevor in SFC first round of 1984
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 25, 2011, 10:39:24 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 25, 2011, 09:07:06 PM
SHC final won by Ballycran.

Ballycran 1-11 Ports 13 pts. Ballycran scored a goal in the second minute of injury time to put them a pt a head. Portaferry missed a 30 yard free to equalise with the last puck of the game. Good final played in very back conditions.

Wilson?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 25, 2011, 10:48:30 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 25, 2011, 08:13:57 PM
IFC Semi Final

Ballymartin 0-14  Dundrum 0-10

A gallant performance from ourselves against a team that was expected to steamroller us. Ballymartin just edged away in the final ten minutes when their fitness started to come to the fore.

The Mourne men led 0-06 to 0-05 at halftime and they kept themselves ahead for the rest of the game. We only had 18 players available to us today and I think we surpassed all expectations in reaching our first IFC Semi Final in 17 years. Coincidentally it was Ballymartin that beat us at that stage aswell.


I think Kilclief will beat Ballymartin. Very experienced team and the club must be on a high after the hurling win. How did you only have 18 players available df

Kilclief will definitely fancy their chances against the Lilywhites in the Final. Its back to the League for us and trying to avoid the relegation playoffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 25, 2011, 11:00:19 PM
Quote from: ardtole on September 25, 2011, 10:48:30 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 25, 2011, 08:13:57 PM
IFC Semi Final

Ballymartin 0-14  Dundrum 0-10

A gallant performance from ourselves against a team that was expected to steamroller us. Ballymartin just edged away in the final ten minutes when their fitness started to come to the fore.

The Mourne men led 0-06 to 0-05 at halftime and they kept themselves ahead for the rest of the game. We only had 18 players available to us today and I think we surpassed all expectations in reaching our first IFC Semi Final in 17 years. Coincidentally it was Ballymartin that beat us at that stage aswell.


I think Kilclief will beat Ballymartin. Very experienced team and the club must be on a high after the hurling win. How did you only have 18 players available df
Kilclief will definitely fancy their chances against the Lilywhites in the Final. Its back to the League for us and trying to avoid the relegation playoffs.

We were hit hard three weeks ago with boys heading to Australia and New Zealand and even before that we didn't have the biggest of panels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on September 25, 2011, 11:15:20 PM
Speaking of lads headin away on their travels, An Riocht have 23+ away at present, most who would have been senior team panelist at most, with 3 or 4 away next year too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 26, 2011, 12:04:50 AM
Never one to give off about refs but to be a point in it at half time to come out to a 7-5 half time score board was slightly frustrating. Have Seen twitter updates which was score for score and down Facebook page which coincidede with the first half score board and our benchs score of 6-5. The ref is very lucky it wasn't a one point margin or draw in it at the end it really could have been fun and games at final whistle. Ballymartin deserved win at end and fair play to them. Though through suspension, injury and emigration we have lost 5 of our starting team of three weeks ago and that killed us in the end, can only dream of what could have been.
The second game was over as a contest after first attack of the second half. Not sure if Rostrevor were poor or Burren were immense, perhaps somewhere in the middle but I strongly fancy Burren to go back to back with county titles. Perhaps even beyond. A very long time since an ulster club title of any description came the way of this county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 26, 2011, 12:29:33 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 26, 2011, 12:04:50 AM
Never one to give off about refs but to be a point in it at half time to come out to a 7-5 half time score board was slightly frustrating. Have Seen twitter updates which was score for score and down Facebook page which coincidede with the first half score board and our benchs score of 6-5. The ref is very lucky it wasn't a one point margin or draw in it at the end it really could have been fun and games at final whistle. Ballymartin deserved win at end and fair play to them. Though through suspension, injury and emigration we have lost 5 of our starting team of three weeks ago and that killed us in the end, can only dream of what could have been.
The second game was over as a contest after first attack of the second half. Not sure if Rostrevor were poor or Burren were immense, perhaps somewhere in the middle but I strongly fancy Burren to go back to back with county titles. Perhaps even beyond. A very long time since an ulster club title of any description came the way of this county.

Leo Smyth made a massive mistake in changing the halftime score from 0-06 to 0-05 to 0-07 to 0-05. If that game had of ended in a draw or one point victory then there would have been uproar and the whole thing would have been a complete mess.

I personally dont think that it is too much to ask for a referee to be competent in score recording especially at the semi final stage in the Championship. Also, it wouldn't do any harm for the fourth official at these games to keep a log of the scores too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 26, 2011, 09:49:07 AM
Vintage performance from burren last night. Donal o hare is unreal. Looking forward to taking the scalp of the yellows. I think they have played their final. On another note was that the correct score between the bridge and ballyholland on sat or did the irish news misprint
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 26, 2011, 11:29:01 AM
Dundrumite is right to point out that it has been a long time since a Down club won any Ulster title. It appears that no Down side has even made the final of the JFC since it began a decade ago. No Down side has got to the IFC final during the same period, although Leitrim won it in the late 90s. Our last Ulster SFC went to Burren way back in 1988, so we have underperformed pretty seriously. Given that, apart from 2010, our senior county squads have also regularly struggled to cope with championship football, there is a strong case for some sort of internal review of our performances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on September 26, 2011, 11:50:02 AM
Mayobridge 6.19 Ballyholland 0.04
Correct score
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 26, 2011, 12:44:09 PM
Did the harps have their under twelves playing :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on September 26, 2011, 01:04:01 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 26, 2011, 09:49:07 AM
Vintage performance from burren last night. Donal o hare is unreal. Looking forward to taking the scalp of the yellows. I think they have played their final. On another note was that the correct score between the bridge and ballyholland on sat or did the irish news misprint

Downjim, wouldnt classify our performance as vintage by any means, we put Rostrevor away but in my opinion we still have alot of improving to do. Rostrevor were very poor to be honest and apart from Connor Magee in midfield, they were lacking any competitive edge or composure and if it wasnt for J Parr in goal, we could have beat them by 20 pts. Defensively we played well and man for man the boys done their jobs and kept Rostrevor under control. Mooney was lively but as the game wore on McCartan won the individual battle and Mooney's influence disappeared.
The unit played well and McKernan being back definitely gives it more cover and has tightened it up.

I thought Midfield broke even, Toner didnt play anywhere near to the level he reached against mayobridge and we need more from him Anton battled throughout and whilst he is getting back to that marauding running, his final pass, particularly his fist pass needs alot of work and he needs to stop putting the ball in the air, he is guily of a hospital pass all to often.

Up front we are definitely working well, Donal in particular is very sharp and his direct running is something we have lacked in recent years. Half forward line was a marked improvement, Eamonn and Conaill were alot more composed and the latters handling was alot better but Sean Murdock still off the boil. He needs to release the ball alot sooner and his decision making particularly carrying the ball into tackles needs to improve greatly. All to often he does great work to win break ball and then carries it into the tackle. ( I suspect he had alot more time on the ball during the summer in the US). But he will come good and hopefully just at the right time.

All in all just a GOOD performance, we can still get tighter at the back, we can improve immensely @ midfield, where Arthur McConville and O'Hagan will be up for the battle. Up front there is plenty more in us and Eamonn Toner can push in as well. We would need to be alot more ruthless if and when goal chances come.

The final will be a battle, Clonduff will be full of confidence after beating Kilcoo and they wont be complacent in any way. They are a good side that probably hasnt had a full quota of players until Saturday night and now they will believe they have it in them to match anyone. Burren need to up the ante massively from last night and eliminate the simple mistakes that are still there. If we are going to push on and win the final, the feet and heads must remain on the ground and the hardwork must be done over the next three weeks. Any notion of Clonduff coming for the day out or ''having played their Final'' is misconcieved and dangerous. Championships are won on performance and we need a full team one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 26, 2011, 01:26:20 PM
Whilst Burren were decent last night I was very disappointed in Rostrevor.

Mooney kicked 2 great points but was largely out of the game and was well marked by Gerrard McCartan.  Thought Sean Parr was going to give Burren a lot of trouble but he was very quiet. The goal straight after half time seemed to eliminate any fight Rostrevor had left in them and for some reason with 20 mins to go and 9 points down Rostrevor were still playing with extra men back when they should have been trying to push forward.

Clonduff are likely to play the game differently tactically but if they did as they did on sat night it is unlikely to work imo.  Kilcoo's over reliance on Laverty meant that Clonduff could effectively double mark him and Kilcoo were struggling for scores there after.  Aside from Burren having more than one danger forward if Clonduff bring a forward back like they did against Kilcoo then Mckernan is likely to follow him into their defence and do some damage himself.

Burren will go in as heavy favourites but Clonduff have a few dangerous forwards themselves who will need to be looked at and a decent midfield with O'Hagen being particulary impressive the other night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on September 26, 2011, 01:32:58 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 26, 2011, 11:29:01 AM
Dundrumite is right to point out that it has been a long time since a Down club won any Ulster title. It appears that no Down side has even made the final of the JFC since it began a decade ago. No Down side has got to the IFC final during the same period, although Leitrim won it in the late 90s. Our last Ulster SFC went to Burren way back in 1988, so we have underperformed pretty seriously. Given that, apart from 2010, our senior county squads have also regularly struggled to cope with championship football, there is a strong case for some sort of internal review of our performances.
Dont think comparsions can be made on the JFC or IFC in Ulster as all the other counties have a different basis on the strength of teams that are in these competitions.  Some people must just write on here because their bored?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 26, 2011, 04:14:40 PM
Very disapointed in loosing to Clonduff on Saturday, but i have to say on the night the better team won and congratulations to them. They played with more heart and passion, and got thier tactics spot on, something our management couldnt get right for the second year in a row at the simi final stage. 1-7 from our attack was a poor return, certainly not enough to win big games especially 0-2 in the second half. The time has come to have trust in our younger lads and play them from the start. We have been very potent up front all year, but asking half forwards to play so deep in a big pitch is asking too much of them. Burrens half forward line last night where always running at speed and supporting the inside line, something we couldnt master being so defensive.
Burren where superb from the off and killed of the challange of Rostrevor at an early stage being ruthless up front and playing with great speed and directness. In saying that Rostrevor where very poor. Burren are playing with great confidence and are peaking at the right time, two in a row looks very likely now. Gerard McCartan, Ciaran McGovern, Kevin McKernan, Donal OHare, Conal and Eamon McGovern where very impressive for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 26, 2011, 04:41:23 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on September 26, 2011, 01:32:58 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 26, 2011, 11:29:01 AM
Dundrumite is right to point out that it has been a long time since a Down club won any Ulster title. It appears that no Down side has even made the final of the JFC since it began a decade ago. No Down side has got to the IFC final during the same period, although Leitrim won it in the late 90s. Our last Ulster SFC went to Burren way back in 1988, so we have underperformed pretty seriously. Given that, apart from 2010, our senior county squads have also regularly struggled to cope with championship football, there is a strong case for some sort of internal review of our performances.
Dont think comparsions can be made on the JFC or IFC in Ulster as all the other counties have a different basis on the strength of teams that are in these competitions.  Some people must just write on here because their bored?

Mourne Rover has got a very valid point. On a discussion forum on Down CLUB football and hurling he has pointed out about Down's failure at Ulster CLUB level to try and start a discussion up on a relevant topic to this particular thread. Perhaps comparisons can't be made regarding different counties in Ulster at Junior and Intermediate as the grading is a shambles, but at least he is on trying to start a discussion. It certainly doesn't look like it's Mourne Rover posting due to boredom in this particular topic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 26, 2011, 05:23:17 PM
With the ulster club games likely to start within the next month and our abysmal record at all 3 levels surely it is one of the most relevant topics to be discussed on this board. I dont think the grades in other counties are much different than ours, every team in each county will be doing their uptmost to progress to a higher level.
Ballymartin only lost to Cookstown by a point and they went on to win the all ireland intermediate that year, yet when they played senior in Down the following year they made little impression. I think we have all our teams corrrectly graded, we have been unfortunate at times as well.
Anyway best of luck to all our teams who qualify for ulster this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 26, 2011, 06:13:59 PM
Quote from: ardtole on September 26, 2011, 05:23:17 PM
With the ulster club games likely to start within the next month and our abysmal record at all 3 levels surely it is one of the most relevant topics to be discussed on this board. I dont think the grades in other counties are much different than ours, every team in each county will be doing their uptmost to progress to a higher level.
Ballymartin only lost to Cookstown by a point and they went on to win the all ireland intermediate that year, yet when they played senior in Down the following year they made little impression. I think we have all our teams corrrectly graded, we have been unfortunate at times as well.
Anyway best of luck to all our teams who qualify for ulster this year.
Ardtole we certainly do but other counties grade it differently. As far as I am aware culloville are playing division 1 Armagh and playing intermediate grade in Armagh, as one example
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 26, 2011, 07:12:09 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 26, 2011, 06:13:59 PM
Quote from: ardtole on September 26, 2011, 05:23:17 PM
With the ulster club games likely to start within the next month and our abysmal record at all 3 levels surely it is one of the most relevant topics to be discussed on this board. I dont think the grades in other counties are much different than ours, every team in each county will be doing their uptmost to progress to a higher level.
Ballymartin only lost to Cookstown by a point and they went on to win the all ireland intermediate that year, yet when they played senior in Down the following year they made little impression. I think we have all our teams corrrectly graded, we have been unfortunate at times as well.
Anyway best of luck to all our teams who qualify for ulster this year.
Ardtole we certainly do but other counties grade it differently. As far as I am aware culloville are playing division 1 Armagh and playing intermediate grade in Armagh, as one example

A few other examples: Tullysaran played in Division 2 in Armagh this year and they are in the JFC. O'Donnell's won the Antrim JFC last year and this year they are back in the JFC Final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 26, 2011, 08:16:49 PM
Funny enough, I was talking to a player from killeavy only a few weeks ago and he told me they entered the intermediate championship this year because it is their 75 year (i think) anniversary. He told me they hadnt a hope of beating crossmaglen in the sfc and that they wanted a trophy for the dinner dance that year. I thought it was a bit strange at the time but I didnt pass much remarks. Looking back now though it is amazing they were allowed to do such a thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on September 26, 2011, 08:30:09 PM
Quote from: ardtole on September 26, 2011, 08:16:49 PM
Funny enough, I was talking to a player from killeavy only a few weeks ago and he told me they entered the intermediate championship this year because it is their 75 year (i think) anniversary. He told me they hadnt a hope of beating crossmaglen in the sfc and that they wanted a trophy for the dinner dance that year. I thought it was a bit strange at the time but I didnt pass much remarks. Looking back now though it is amazing they were allowed to do such a thing.
Don't quote me on this, but I heard somewhere that in Armagh clubs can apply to play in whatever grade they wish (unless they win the competition, then they must go up to the next grade). So in theory, a club in Division IV can apply for SFC, and a club in Division I can apply for JFC. Obviously those extremes aren't permitted but you get the picture... clubs in Armagh can be forgiven for wanting to drop down to the IFC, especially Killeavy who were relegated last season. As for Culloville, this is their year, they've been beaten finalists/semi-finals in the IFC for the last 5/6 years or something!

Also:
QuoteBallymartin only lost to Cookstown by a point and they went on to win the all ireland intermediate that year, yet when they played senior in Down the following year they made little impression. I think we have all our teams corrrectly graded, we have been unfortunate at times as well.
Cookstown could hardly buy a win in Tyrone Division I this year, so the grading is probably consistant with other counties.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on September 26, 2011, 09:20:15 PM
Ladbrokes have Burren as 6/1 third faves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 26, 2011, 09:47:19 PM
The gradings are certainly open to discussion, given that for example Lisnaskea have traditionally been a  strong first division side in Fermanagh but were placed at intermediate level last year and won both the Ulster and AI titles. However, the fact that Down clubs have not won an Ulster senior title for well over two decades, and have failed to even make a junior or intermediate final in the last ten years, would suggest that standards are not where they should be. There is also a theory that Down referees are stricter than their counterparts elsewhere, leaving our teams unprepared for the physical side of provincial competitions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 26, 2011, 10:05:25 PM
Were you at these games below??

Burren v Clonduff
Last championship meeting
2006 SFC Semi final

Burren 1.11 Clonduff 0.11

Burren team
Martin Rocks;
Ronan McGivern, Daniel McCartan, Brian Murphy;
James McGovern 0.3, Chris McGovern, Ronan McGovern;
Conor McCann, Declan Rooney;
PJ McAlinden, Kevin McKernan 0.2, Eamon McGovern 0.1;
Kevin McGivern, 1.1, Ciaran Byrne 0.3, Aidan McGivern 0.1.
Subs used
Garrett McFerran, Glen McMahon, R. Murdock and Ciaran McGovern

Clonduff team
Robert Wilson;
John McPolin, Daniel McPolin, Mark McPolin;
Paul McConville, Paul Shields, Paudie Matthews;
Paul McShane, Aidan Carr;
Plunkett McConville 0.2, Conor O'Hagan, Shane Ward;
Finbar McConville, John Fegan 0.7, Jason Brown;
Subs used
Eugene Brannigan, Shane O'Hagan and Peter Withnell.

Last Final meeting
1997
Burren 2.10 Clonduff 0.12
May not be the team that line out, I am going by 1997 final programme
Burren team

Gary Walsh (Capt);
Brendan McKernan, Joe Magee, Ronan McGovern;
Leo Magee, Kieran Doyle, Garrett McFerran;
Sean Ward, Gavin Murdock;
Paul McGovern, John Treanor, Rory Mussen;
Jimmy McAlinden, Tom Fegan, Aidan McGivern;

Clonduff team
Johnny McAleavey (Capt);
Paul McConville, Paul Shields, Martin McAvoy;
Eugene O'Hagan, Paul McShane, Tony Wilson;
John Morgan, Plunkett McConville;
Jayme Farrell, Ross Carr, Paudie Matthews;
Shane Ward, Daniel McPolin, Sean Curren;

Also got 1983 final programme
Burren 0.9 Clonduff 0.4

Teams in programme
Burren
Declan Murdock;
Pat Murtagh, Aidan Murdock, Malachy Murdock;
Kieran McConville, Paddy O'Rourke, Brendan McGovern;
Tommy McGovern, Charlie Doyle;
Gerald Murdock, John Treanor, Tony McArdle;
Vincent McGovern, Frank (Mitchell) McClorey, Gervase Poland;

Clonduff
Johnny McAleavey;
John J. Brown, Martin Farnon, Noel Fitzpatrick;
Brian McGreevey, Peter Hamill, Fr.Peter Devlin;
Aidan Brown, Paddy Brown;
Michael Crilly, Sean Fitzpatrick, Paul Brown;
John Crilly, John McPolin, Seamus Murnin;

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 26, 2011, 10:28:39 PM
Is Paul mc Conville only player from 1997 still lining out for either side?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kinghen on September 26, 2011, 11:37:40 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 26, 2011, 10:28:39 PM
Is Paul mc Conville only player from 1997 still lining out for either side?
ronan McGovern would more than likely be lining out if fit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on September 27, 2011, 08:43:08 AM
Mourne Rover has hit the nail on the head, whenever our teams go into Ulster, they are seldom ready for the physical demands of the games that come. They have been used to getting soft frees for minimal contact and slight jersey tugs etc that are not penalised in other Ulster counties. Since Burren's dominance in the eighties we have not been able to perform at the top end of the Ulster Championship. Those Burren teams were packed with strong players coupled with a number of skilful players in Shorty and co. Mayobridge reached an Ulster final when they had strong players like Francie, Shane McMahon and Glen McMahon to name a few, they pushed Ballinderry all the way but the following year went out early without those same players. Our teams need to go into Ulster knowing that it is going to hurt and frees are hard to come by.
The Ulster Championship is played @ the dirty end of the year October/November, ground is heavy and it's a slogging match, when hardwork and sheer bravery is worth more than a few light weight fancy boys that get easy frees. Its time our managers from all teams going into Ulster look @ the horses for courses scenario. The team that wins a Championship final mightned necessarily be what you need on a wet october day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DvM1991 on September 27, 2011, 09:02:36 AM
1991 Tribute Night in Bryansford GAC 22.10.11

PRESS RELEASE                                                       
Celebration night to remember Down's triumphant 1991 All Ireland Success
The 20th anniversary of Down's fourth All Ireland win is to be celebrated at a gala Tribute Night to be held in Newcastle.
The clubrooms of Bryansford GAC will be the venue on October 22 next for what the organisers believe will be a fitting tribute to the team and management of the 1991 squad.
Down's achievement in bringing Ulster football back to the top table of Gaelic football after nearly a quarter of a century of the Province being Sam Maguire failures was a huge sporting breakthrough.
The victory over hot favourites Meath displayed Down's traditional attacking abilities through the likes of Mickey Linden, Ross Carr, Greg Blaney and James McCartan.
It was a win that brought pride and self belief back to Ulster football, inspiring thousands of youngsters to try and follow in the footsteps of a new generation of Gaelic sport superstars.
And it set a benchmark that allowed fellow Ulster counties Derry, Donegal, Armagh and Tyrone to eventually follow in terms of achieving All Ireland glory.
Peter McGrath, the man who masterminded Down's success on the Croke Park stage in 1991, and then three years later to make it five titles for the Mourne men, will be part of a specially invited panel who will take part in a question and answer session. 
Legendary Meath manager Sean Boylan has confirmed he will be in Newcastle to meet up with his old Croke Park adversary along with players from both teams as well as leading figures from the world of the Media.
Organising committee spokesman Ronan McVeigh explained that the decision taken by the Bryansford club to take the initiative in putting on the All Ireland Tribute Night was based on a number of key factors.
"First of all Peter McGrath is our club manager.  He has been a huge, and in many ways an unsung hero, both to Down and Ulster football.


"From a Bryansford Club perspective the contribution of Eamonn Burns in the final provided a platform around midfield that was truly inspirational.   
"We felt that an event to mark such a special occasion in Down's history would allow supporters from across the county, and beyond, to get the inside track on a marvellous achievement from the men who were there on the day.
"The other part in our thinking was that the Bryansford Club and our St. Patrick's Park pitch has, for decades, been pivotal in preparation terms for every one of Down's five All Ireland titles.
"Obviously there will be huge interest in the Tribute Night. Closer to the event we will be making available information on the final list of guest speakers as well as ticketing arrangements," he added.
ENDS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on September 27, 2011, 09:37:19 AM
Going back a couple of years Ballymartin beat Greenlough before going on to loose to Cookstown from memory. Both leagues would consider themselves to be competitive in Ulster.
That same year i recall St. Johns losing by 2 pts (ish) to the Derry Junior champions. The Derry team went to the final and got tanked by a team from Monaghan who went on to win div 2 the following year if memory serves me correctly.
If the top four teams in div 2 Down were allowed to enter the IFC the outcome in Ulster would be different. I have no doubt that the likes of Ballyholland/Saval/Castlewellan would walk Ulster IFC if the championships were league related.
Ultimately we have not won the major honours provisional level but i think it comes down bad luck. None of the so called big teams which drop to this standard in other divisions have ever made much of an impact at the higher grade. Did Stewartstown in Tyrone not win the AI Junior one year and to honest they are still probably a mediocre Intermediate team.
   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 27, 2011, 10:01:00 AM
Can any posters remember how Clonduff got on in their last Ulster campaign under Frank Dawson???

On a separate note, I stated a while back that Frank should have been considered for a role within the Down senior Camp, it seems to have gone unrecognised the success that this man has had, he took Clonduff to a league and championship double, took Longstone to a league final and a championship final and an All Ireland 7s success, last year he took Burren to a County title and only for K Mc Kernans erratic shooting would have toppled all ireland champions Cross!! And now again the following year takes Burren to their 2nd consecutive final. Is there a more successful manager at present within our county??? If we compare his club record to wee James I think you ll find some difference  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on September 27, 2011, 10:45:19 AM
Quote from: DvM1991 on September 27, 2011, 09:02:36 AM
1991 Tribute Night in Bryansford GAC 22.10.11

PRESS RELEASE                                                       
Celebration night to remember Down's triumphant 1991 All Ireland Success
The 20th anniversary of Down's fourth All Ireland win is to be celebrated at a gala Tribute Night to be held in Newcastle.
The clubrooms of Bryansford GAC will be the venue on October 22 next for what the organisers believe will be a fitting tribute to the team and management of the 1991 squad.
Down's achievement in bringing Ulster football back to the top table of Gaelic football after nearly a quarter of a century of the Province being Sam Maguire failures was a huge sporting breakthrough.
The victory over hot favourites Meath displayed Down's traditional attacking abilities through the likes of Mickey Linden, Ross Carr, Greg Blaney and James McCartan.
It was a win that brought pride and self belief back to Ulster football, inspiring thousands of youngsters to try and follow in the footsteps of a new generation of Gaelic sport superstars.
And it set a benchmark that allowed fellow Ulster counties Derry, Donegal, Armagh and Tyrone to eventually follow in terms of achieving All Ireland glory.
Peter McGrath, the man who masterminded Down's success on the Croke Park stage in 1991, and then three years later to make it five titles for the Mourne men, will be part of a specially invited panel who will take part in a question and answer session. 
Legendary Meath manager Sean Boylan has confirmed he will be in Newcastle to meet up with his old Croke Park adversary along with players from both teams as well as leading figures from the world of the Media.
Organising committee spokesman Ronan McVeigh explained that the decision taken by the Bryansford club to take the initiative in putting on the All Ireland Tribute Night was based on a number of key factors.
"First of all Peter McGrath is our club manager.  He has been a huge, and in many ways an unsung hero, both to Down and Ulster football.


"From a Bryansford Club perspective the contribution of Eamonn Burns in the final provided a platform around midfield that was truly inspirational.   
"We felt that an event to mark such a special occasion in Down's history would allow supporters from across the county, and beyond, to get the inside track on a marvellous achievement from the men who were there on the day.
"The other part in our thinking was that the Bryansford Club and our St. Patrick's Park pitch has, for decades, been pivotal in preparation terms for every one of Down's five All Ireland titles.
"Obviously there will be huge interest in the Tribute Night. Closer to the event we will be making available information on the final list of guest speakers as well as ticketing arrangements," he added.
ENDS

Was reading about that in one of the programmes at the championship games sounds like a good night is there going to be meny of the ex players attending? When and how can you obtain tickets?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 27, 2011, 12:17:05 PM
Some relevant discussion on here thanks to mourne rover's boredom. Correct me if I am wrong but did enniskillen beat clonduff, I am near certain they beat Rostrevor as well. I remember first round exits from the bridge at the hands of St galls and a hammering against ballinderry at the first round also. In recent years Kilcoo and Burren have gotten over the first hurdle only to cone unstuck in ulster semi finals.? The Down champions this year are on a good side of the draw and I believe at the opposite side are Armagh/ St galls/ Tyrone and Derry champions:
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 27, 2011, 12:34:39 PM
I think you need a bit of perspective on Down club success at Ulster levels. The cold hard facts are that it's been an abysmal run since Burren were pride of place in the 1980s. But there's more to it than that.

The only club to have won an SFC since the mid-nineties who would have been prepping for Ulster from the start of the campaign were Mayobridge. Burren were an ageing side when they won their last couple in the 90s. The wins by Rostrevor, Clonduff, Kilcoo and Burren in the time since were signals for rampant celebrations for the great achievement of county honours; Ulster was only an afterthought.

And although Mayobridge got slapped about a few times in Ulster, they generally did well, won their fair share of games and if truth be told were unlucky to come to prominence at a time when winning Ulster meant seeing off greatest club team of all time in Crossmaglen, as well as a splendid Ballinderry outfit. I'd go as far as to suggest Crossmaglen's dominance of football places an asterisk beside the last decade of provincial club championships. Getting put to bed by Cross doesn't make a team a bad team, or a soft team, it makes them a normal team.

I've a funny feeling that Burren and Kilcoo, now they both have the weight of county title expectations lifted and some provincial experience to call upon, will both put up good shows in Ulster over the coming years.

As for the other provincial titles, personally I've little respect for the winners of either. In Down, the 16 best clubs from the previous season compete for senior honours. It is only through a freak of nature, such as when a gifted minor team breaks through to senior ranks at once, and wins an intermediate title before settling as a senior team, that Down teams will ever have a chance in these competitions.  If everyone else followed Down's system, then provincial titles would be fair game. As things stand, it's a cheating contest. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DvM1991 on September 27, 2011, 12:54:44 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on September 27, 2011, 10:45:19 AM
Quote from: DvM1991 on September 27, 2011, 09:02:36 AM
1991 Tribute Night in Bryansford GAC 22.10.11

PRESS RELEASE                                                       
Celebration night to remember Down's triumphant 1991 All Ireland Success
The 20th anniversary of Down's fourth All Ireland win is to be celebrated at a gala Tribute Night to be held in Newcastle.
The clubrooms of Bryansford GAC will be the venue on October 22 next for what the organisers believe will be a fitting tribute to the team and management of the 1991 squad.
Down's achievement in bringing Ulster football back to the top table of Gaelic football after nearly a quarter of a century of the Province being Sam Maguire failures was a huge sporting breakthrough.
The victory over hot favourites Meath displayed Down's traditional attacking abilities through the likes of Mickey Linden, Ross Carr, Greg Blaney and James McCartan.
It was a win that brought pride and self belief back to Ulster football, inspiring thousands of youngsters to try and follow in the footsteps of a new generation of Gaelic sport superstars.
And it set a benchmark that allowed fellow Ulster counties Derry, Donegal, Armagh and Tyrone to eventually follow in terms of achieving All Ireland glory.
Peter McGrath, the man who masterminded Down's success on the Croke Park stage in 1991, and then three years later to make it five titles for the Mourne men, will be part of a specially invited panel who will take part in a question and answer session. 
Legendary Meath manager Sean Boylan has confirmed he will be in Newcastle to meet up with his old Croke Park adversary along with players from both teams as well as leading figures from the world of the Media.
Organising committee spokesman Ronan McVeigh explained that the decision taken by the Bryansford club to take the initiative in putting on the All Ireland Tribute Night was based on a number of key factors.
"First of all Peter McGrath is our club manager.  He has been a huge, and in many ways an unsung hero, both to Down and Ulster football.


"From a Bryansford Club perspective the contribution of Eamonn Burns in the final provided a platform around midfield that was truly inspirational.   
"We felt that an event to mark such a special occasion in Down's history would allow supporters from across the county, and beyond, to get the inside track on a marvellous achievement from the men who were there on the day.
"The other part in our thinking was that the Bryansford Club and our St. Patrick's Park pitch has, for decades, been pivotal in preparation terms for every one of Down's five All Ireland titles.
"Obviously there will be huge interest in the Tribute Night. Closer to the event we will be making available information on the final list of guest speakers as well as ticketing arrangements," he added.
ENDS

Was reading about that in one of the programmes at the championship games sounds like a good night is there going to be meny of the ex players attending? When and how can you obtain tickets?

We hope to have ticket launch after our game v An Riocht on Sunday. Information will be available on Bryansford Website. The interest from the squad is very good and given this is the first event to mark the 20 years makes it better for everyone. Bernard Flynn is also confirmed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 27, 2011, 01:17:50 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 27, 2011, 12:34:39 PM
I think you need a bit of perspective on Down club success at Ulster levels. The cold hard facts are that it’s been an abysmal run since Burren were pride of place in the 1980s. But there’s more to it than that.

The only club to have won an SFC since the mid-nineties who would have been prepping for Ulster from the start of the campaign were Mayobridge. Burren were an ageing side when they won their last couple in the 90s. The wins by Rostrevor, Clonduff, Kilcoo and Burren in the time since were signals for rampant celebrations for the great achievement of county honours; Ulster was only an afterthought.

And although Mayobridge got slapped about a few times in Ulster, they generally did well, won their fair share of games and if truth be told were unlucky to come to prominence at a time when winning Ulster meant seeing off greatest club team of all time in Crossmaglen, as well as a splendid Ballinderry outfit. I’d go as far as to suggest Crossmaglen’s dominance of football places an asterisk beside the last decade of provincial club championships. Getting put to bed by Cross doesn’t make a team a bad team, or a soft team, it makes them a normal team.

I’ve a funny feeling that Burren and Kilcoo, now they both have the weight of county title expectations lifted and some provincial experience to call upon, will both put up good shows in Ulster over the coming years.

As for the other provincial titles, personally I’ve little respect for the winners of either. In Down, the 16 best clubs from the previous season compete for senior honours. It is only through a freak of nature, such as when a gifted minor team breaks through to senior ranks at once, and wins an intermediate title before settling as a senior team, that Down teams will ever have a chance in these competitions.  If everyone else followed Down’s system, then provincial titles would be fair game. As things stand, it’s a cheating contest. 


Would agree with this.

Burren reached an ulster final in 93 i think were they were beat by Lavey and then should have beaten Cross in 96 in Cross when shorty missed a penalty and they were beat by a point.  That was the start of the great Cross team and the end of that Burren team.

Mayobridge went close against Ballinderry and Cross on a couple of occasions but couldnt get over the line.   Always felt that if that Bridge team with Walsh and Coulter in their prime and Linden still firing had of met Cross in mid summer they would have torn them apart.  But sure that is not what Ulster club football is all about.  Since then although the Bridge were still ahead of the rest in Down they were beginning to be on the wain with the loss of Mickey and then Francie and to a lessor extent Walsh and Grant. 

IMO Mayobridge are were Burren were in the late 90's, still respected but not feared like they once were.  Kilcoo and Burren have taken over this mantle and it is up to them to have a go at Ulster particularly Burren this year with an "easier" looking draw in Ulster for the Down team and the experience they would have gained from playing Cross last year.

That being said Clonduff shouldnt be taken for granted and any team that beat Kilcoo can have a go at anyone, especially on a one off derby match which happens to be a final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on September 27, 2011, 01:29:16 PM
Mourne Rover & Forevergreen

Where either of you at the game on Saturday night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on September 27, 2011, 01:37:47 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on September 27, 2011, 01:17:50 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 27, 2011, 12:34:39 PM
I think you need a bit of perspective on Down club success at Ulster levels. The cold hard facts are that it's been an abysmal run since Burren were pride of place in the 1980s. But there's more to it than that.

The only club to have won an SFC since the mid-nineties who would have been prepping for Ulster from the start of the campaign were Mayobridge. Burren were an ageing side when they won their last couple in the 90s. The wins by Rostrevor, Clonduff, Kilcoo and Burren in the time since were signals for rampant celebrations for the great achievement of county honours; Ulster was only an afterthought.

And although Mayobridge got slapped about a few times in Ulster, they generally did well, won their fair share of games and if truth be told were unlucky to come to prominence at a time when winning Ulster meant seeing off greatest club team of all time in Crossmaglen, as well as a splendid Ballinderry outfit. I'd go as far as to suggest Crossmaglen's dominance of football places an asterisk beside the last decade of provincial club championships. Getting put to bed by Cross doesn't make a team a bad team, or a soft team, it makes them a normal team.

I've a funny feeling that Burren and Kilcoo, now they both have the weight of county title expectations lifted and some provincial experience to call upon, will both put up good shows in Ulster over the coming years.

As for the other provincial titles, personally I've little respect for the winners of either. In Down, the 16 best clubs from the previous season compete for senior honours. It is only through a freak of nature, such as when a gifted minor team breaks through to senior ranks at once, and wins an intermediate title before settling as a senior team, that Down teams will ever have a chance in these competitions.  If everyone else followed Down's system, then provincial titles would be fair game. As things stand, it's a cheating contest. 


Would agree with this.

Burren reached an ulster final in 93 i think were they were beat by Lavey and then should have beaten Cross in 96 in Cross when shorty missed a penalty and they were beat by a point.  That was the start of the great Cross team and the end of that Burren team.

Mayobridge went close against Ballinderry and Cross on a couple of occasions but couldnt get over the line.   Always felt that if that Bridge team with Walsh and Coulter in their prime and Linden still firing had of met Cross in mid summer they would have torn them apart.  But sure that is not what Ulster club football is all about.  Since then although the Bridge were still ahead of the rest in Down they were beginning to be on the wain with the loss of Mickey and then Francie and to a lessor extent Walsh and Grant. 

IMO Mayobridge are were Burren were in the late 90's, still respected but not feared like they once were.  Kilcoo and Burren have taken over this mantle and it is up to them to have a go at Ulster particularly Burren this year with an "easier" looking draw in Ulster for the Down team and the experience they would have gained from playing Cross last year.

That being said Clonduff shouldnt be taken for granted and any team that beat Kilcoo can have a go at anyone, especially on a one off derby match which happens to be a final

Why not get a time machine and bring Tom O'Hare forward 40 years ::)  Each team plays the hand they are dealt, and Mayobridge were a fine team, and we played them many times over the summer months and never did they tear us apart.  They were unlucky in many respects that they were around when we were around but the reality is we only ever played once in Ulster, the 2004 Final, so our dominance had very little bearing on their failure to win an Ulster Championship.  We played Burren 3 times and while you may say that Shorty's missed penalty was a key factor i would say Shorty's refusal to take a 14 metre free in the last minute to equalise and put the pressure on young McAlinden was a bigger factor for Burren losing.  Having watched a fair bit of Down football I would have to say one of the biggest issues is that there are an awful lot of good footballers and some great footballers but not enough hard footballers.  Autumn football is won by dogs of war and they are the key to getting success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 27, 2011, 02:25:03 PM
See today in one of the papers Peter Fitzpatrick is going to Oz before Christmas . He is going for a year for work reasons
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 27, 2011, 03:44:33 PM
Brokencrossbar: If tom o hare was 25 playing in that ulster final  he would have sorted bellew out after the hit on linden :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on September 27, 2011, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 27, 2011, 03:44:33 PM
Brokencrossbar: If tom o hare was 25 playing in that ulster final  he would have sorted bellew out after the hit on linden :)

but he wasn't :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 27, 2011, 03:55:38 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 27, 2011, 01:37:47 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on September 27, 2011, 01:17:50 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 27, 2011, 12:34:39 PM
I think you need a bit of perspective on Down club success at Ulster levels. The cold hard facts are that it’s been an abysmal run since Burren were pride of place in the 1980s. But there’s more to it than that.

The only club to have won an SFC since the mid-nineties who would have been prepping for Ulster from the start of the campaign were Mayobridge. Burren were an ageing side when they won their last couple in the 90s. The wins by Rostrevor, Clonduff, Kilcoo and Burren in the time since were signals for rampant celebrations for the great achievement of county honours; Ulster was only an afterthought.

And although Mayobridge got slapped about a few times in Ulster, they generally did well, won their fair share of games and if truth be told were unlucky to come to prominence at a time when winning Ulster meant seeing off greatest club team of all time in Crossmaglen, as well as a splendid Ballinderry outfit. I’d go as far as to suggest Crossmaglen’s dominance of football places an asterisk beside the last decade of provincial club championships. Getting put to bed by Cross doesn’t make a team a bad team, or a soft team, it makes them a normal team.

I’ve a funny feeling that Burren and Kilcoo, now they both have the weight of county title expectations lifted and some provincial experience to call upon, will both put up good shows in Ulster over the coming years.

As for the other provincial titles, personally I’ve little respect for the winners of either. In Down, the 16 best clubs from the previous season compete for senior honours. It is only through a freak of nature, such as when a gifted minor team breaks through to senior ranks at once, and wins an intermediate title before settling as a senior team, that Down teams will ever have a chance in these competitions.  If everyone else followed Down’s system, then provincial titles would be fair game. As things stand, it’s a cheating contest. 


Would agree with this.

Burren reached an ulster final in 93 i think were they were beat by Lavey and then should have beaten Cross in 96 in Cross when shorty missed a penalty and they were beat by a point.  That was the start of the great Cross team and the end of that Burren team.

Mayobridge went close against Ballinderry and Cross on a couple of occasions but couldnt get over the line.   Always felt that if that Bridge team with Walsh and Coulter in their prime and Linden still firing had of met Cross in mid summer they would have torn them apart.  But sure that is not what Ulster club football is all about.  Since then although the Bridge were still ahead of the rest in Down they were beginning to be on the wain with the loss of Mickey and then Francie and to a lessor extent Walsh and Grant. 

IMO Mayobridge are were Burren were in the late 90's, still respected but not feared like they once were.  Kilcoo and Burren have taken over this mantle and it is up to them to have a go at Ulster particularly Burren this year with an "easier" looking draw in Ulster for the Down team and the experience they would have gained from playing Cross last year.

That being said Clonduff shouldnt be taken for granted and any team that beat Kilcoo can have a go at anyone, especially on a one off derby match which happens to be a final

Why not get a time machine and bring Tom O'Hare forward 40 years ::)  Each team plays the hand they are dealt, and Mayobridge were a fine team, and we played them many times over the summer months and never did they tear us apart.  They were unlucky in many respects that they were around when we were around but the reality is we only ever played once in Ulster, the 2004 Final, so our dominance had very little bearing on their failure to win an Ulster Championship.  We played Burren 3 times and while you may say that Shorty's missed penalty was a key factor i would say Shorty's refusal to take a 14 metre free in the last minute to equalise and put the pressure on young McAlinden was a bigger factor for Burren losing.  Having watched a fair bit of Down football I would have to say one of the biggest issues is that there are an awful lot of good footballers and some great footballers but not enough hard footballers.  Autumn football is won by dogs of war and they are the key to getting success.

If u were playing them in the summer it must have been in challenge matches which are hardly comparable to Ulster Championship.  Im not saying that the Bridge deserved to win an Ulster, just that they were unlucky a couple of seasons and that they had the type of footballers who thrived on the hard ground of summer rather than the heavy ground of winter.

You must have a better memory than me as i dont remember shorty's refusal to hit the free at the end.  I also only thought they played each other twice, 1 point win for Corss in 96 and 4 point win for Cross in Newry the following year.  Unless your including last year?

Agree with ya completely on the lack of hard footballers, something that troubles us for the county as well as the clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on September 27, 2011, 04:03:04 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on September 27, 2011, 03:55:38 PM

If u were playing them in the summer it must have been in challenge matches which are hardly comparable to Ulster Championship.  Im not saying that the Bridge deserved to win an Ulster, just that they were unlucky a couple of seasons and that they had the type of footballers who thrived on the hard ground of summer rather than the heavy ground of winter.

You must have a better memory than me as i dont remember shorty's refusal to hit the free at the end.  I also only thought they played each other twice, 1 point win for Corss in 96 and 4 point win for Cross in Newry the following year.  Unless your including last year?

Agree with ya completely on the lack of hard footballers, something that troubles us for the county as well as the clubs.

played them in challenge games and a few tournaments when we were at our peak and so where they and trust me there was nothing friendly about them.  Ask anyone of the Bridge lads involved.

As regards Shorty's refusal, I was right behind it and he had the ball in his hands and would not take it and handed it to McAlinden.  I do count last year as it was just to show we actually played Burren more than Mayobridge.  For all Mayobridges talent they had a mental problem with Ulster and lost games they should never have lost. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on September 27, 2011, 05:12:09 PM
Quote from: True Blue on September 27, 2011, 01:29:16 PM
Mourne Rover & Forevergreen

Where either of you at the game on Saturday night?

Well True Blue, wasnt @ the game on Saturday night but I get your point. I have been told it was a physical encounter, but how many of all the championship matches this year could be described in that manner. If a championship match between Kilcoo and Clonduff can't raise the blood in either team something would be badly wrong.

My point is that in the Ulster Championship, the level of play becomes dogged and teams bring a higher level of physicality to them. All too often we have heard Down teams going into Ulster and having been beaten, then go on to complain about how physical or cynical the opposing team was. I'm not talking about taking a man out or fighting, simply being able to raise the physical stakes, whilst being ready for the referee to wave play on for what might be penalised in Down.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weebob on September 27, 2011, 06:58:32 PM
crossbar [ if u were standing behind shorty u would of seen him handing the ball to ruiari mussen he took the free . anyway shorty is a left footer and the free was close to the line on the left it was mussens free to take so less of the bull about shorty. the only resin cross won that game was they worked 24hrs a day for 2 weeks to build turnstiles to get your ground to county standard  . but for play to cross yous are a great club and a super team .



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on September 27, 2011, 07:47:33 PM
What is it with pauly2 and his personal attacks on certain kilcoo players?keeps going back to giving Anthony Devlin a hard time and how he is a bully,think pauly2  club could be doing with a few Anthony devlins in there team,Theyd be doing a whole lot better than what they are this past few years.but then again castlewellan will probably just go and transfer some knew players in like it's the premier league.they'd be no stranger to that carry on.just a wee jealous town man that has got nothing else to cry about so turns to giving his neighbours a hard time.dry your eyes pauly2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on September 27, 2011, 08:02:12 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 27, 2011, 12:17:05 PM
Some relevant discussion on here thanks to mourne rover's boredom. Correct me if I am wrong but did enniskillen beat clonduff, I am near certain they beat Rostrevor as well. I remember first round exits from the bridge at the hands of St galls and a hammering against ballinderry at the first round also. In recent years Kilcoo and Burren have gotten over the first hurdle only to cone unstuck in ulster semi finals.? The Down champions this year are on a good side of the draw and I believe at the opposite side are Armagh/ St galls/ Tyrone and Derry champions:


Errigal Ciaran beat Clonduff by one point in newry -ross carr missed last chance free to equalise
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on September 27, 2011, 10:52:10 PM
Quote from: weebob on September 27, 2011, 06:58:32 PM
crossbar [ if u were standing behind shorty u would of seen him handing the ball to ruiari mussen he took the free . anyway shorty is a left footer and the free was close to the line on the left it was mussens free to take so less of the bull about shorty. the only resin cross won that game was they worked 24hrs a day for 2 weeks to build turnstiles to get your ground to county standard  . but for play to cross yous are a great club and a super team .

You could be right about Mussen, I thought it was McAlinden. Anyway it was close enough for Shorty to take a cut at it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weebob on September 27, 2011, 11:23:50 PM
good job for yous he didn't slip it over yous could have 1 all ireland less. did u ever look at it from that angle brokencrossbar1. time for the cot . good luck
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 28, 2011, 12:01:02 AM
See a down man has guided ballymacnab to a historic Armagh county final. Congrats to Declan Mussen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 28, 2011, 09:09:26 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 28, 2011, 12:01:02 AM
See a down man has guided ballymacnab to a historic Armagh county final. Congrats to Declan Mussen

Declan Mussen is solely trainer of the Round Towers and has no imput with regards team selection, tactics etc... The team is managed by Seamy Loughran, a local man, who had guided them to the division 2 title in Armagh last year and a county final this term.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 28, 2011, 11:29:22 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 28, 2011, 09:09:26 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 28, 2011, 12:01:02 AM
See a down man has guided ballymacnab to a historic Armagh county final. Congrats to Declan Mussen

Declan Mussen is solely trainer of the Round Towers and has no imput with regards team selection, tactics etc... The team is managed by Seamy Loughran, a local man, who had guided them to the division 2 title in Armagh last year and a county final this term.
Congrats to Semay Loughran on guiding Ballymacnab to a historic Armagh County final  :P I stand corrected.
MDG did Jermoe manage that crowd a few years back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 28, 2011, 01:57:25 PM
Yeah managed them for 2 seasons, finishing mid table in division 2 on both occasions. 2008 and 2009.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 28, 2011, 10:44:34 PM
Down Minor Simi Finals

Warrenpoint 1-9 Rostrevor 0-10

Kilcoo 1-11 Burren 1-7

Kilcoo and the Point set up a repeat of the 2009 minor final in a windy Mayobridge tonight.
Marty Devlin was our star man kicking 0-7 in a good team display. A win in the final can make it 3 in a row for us, which would be a great achievement. Tonights win helps lift the gloom from Saturdays defeat in the senior simi.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 28, 2011, 10:58:54 PM
is that 4 semis or finals Rostrevor hav lost in the last two or so weeks?
SFC, 2 reserves and a minor?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 28, 2011, 11:17:18 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 28, 2011, 10:58:54 PM
is that 4 semis or finals Rostrevor hav lost in the last two or so weeks?
SFC, 2 reserves and a minor?
And maybe Senior down to Div 2!!!

Still a fantasic gaa club. a credit to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 28, 2011, 11:36:25 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 28, 2011, 10:44:34 PM
Down Minor Simi Finals

Warrenpoint 1-9 Rostrevor 0-10

Kilcoo 1-11 Burren 1-7

Kilcoo and the Point set up a repeat of the 2009 minor final in a windy Mayobridge tonight.
Marty Devlin was our star man kicking 0-7 in a good team display. A win in the final can make it 3 in a row for us, which would be a great achievement. Tonights win helps lift the gloom from Saturdays defeat in the senior simi.

Brilliant victory for Kilcoo, great credit must go to the club for all the work being put in.

Was Mooney playing for Rostrevor? Anyone at the games? Supersub?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 28, 2011, 11:51:42 PM
Hopefully not down to div 2!! I'd say we will escape relegation.

Yeah I was at the First game, mooney played in midfield, hampered by the injury he picked up on Sunday but still did rightly kicked a few good scores. We left ourselves too much to do in the end having trailed by 5 at one stage in 2nd half against the wind. Good representation from teams in all championship levels from ourselves this season. Obviously dissapointing regards to Seniors on Sunday and reserve finals but at least we were in them which is progress! Not to mention underage teams getting to the latter stages of their respective championships.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on September 29, 2011, 10:09:39 AM
Tricky enough game for Saul this weekend.  You would think that St Paul's will want to win their last home game of the season.  Bredagh and Drumaness will be hoping for a slip up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on September 29, 2011, 11:22:56 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 28, 2011, 11:36:25 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 28, 2011, 10:44:34 PM
Down Minor Simi Finals

Warrenpoint 1-9 Rostrevor 0-10

Kilcoo 1-11 Burren 1-7

Kilcoo and the Point set up a repeat of the 2009 minor final in a windy Mayobridge tonight.
Marty Devlin was our star man kicking 0-7 in a good team display. A win in the final can make it 3 in a row for us, which would be a great achievement. Tonights win helps lift the gloom from Saturdays defeat in the senior simi.

Brilliant victory for Kilcoo, great credit must go to the club for all the work being put in.

Was Mooney playing for Rostrevor? Anyone at the games? Supersub?

Yes Mooney was playing but wasnt as influential as I thought he was going to be. We started well with the breeze and went into a 3 point lead at half time. Point midfield was fantastic with Jamie Grant and ciaran McCartan controlling this sector. Young Donnach McAleenan was a thorn in the reds defence all night and rostrevor seemed unable to cope with his pace and direct running. The second half the point always kept there noses in front and went 4 up with a goal 10 mins from the end from Aaron Magee. Rostrevor kept looking for goals which was their downfall and although we may have been cynical in stopping Mooney running at our defence in the last 5 minutes but these fouls were necessary as he is hard to stop in full flow.
Best for the Blues were the Miceal O'Hare, Emmett McCourt and stephen Monaghan in defence. Jamie Grant had a great 1st half in the middle and all night Ciaran Mccartan & Donnach McAleenan were the difference. From a Blues point of view lets hope we give kilcoo a run for their money this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 29, 2011, 11:34:17 AM
Divisions 1,2 and 4 seem to be finishing up nicely, but division 3 is a right mess. Kilclief have 6 games left and they dont seem to have a fixture this weekend. The following week they have championship, if they win and I strongly fancy them to do so, they could be playing ulster championship in the following weeks. Ardglass have 5 games left and no game this week either, for the time being anyway. If we dont play this week I think we will only have played 1 game in the last 4 weeks. Its very unfair on the management teams in div 3 this year, its impossible to keep players interested and keep training going when everything is so stop start.

The first half of the season runs very smoothly, everyone knows when their next game is, but as soon as the July break comes it is chaos. There really is no excuse this year, when the master fixture list was issued at the start of the year there was no dates allocated for the last 5 or 6 fixtures in all of div 3. I hope lessons are learned for next year.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 29, 2011, 01:28:28 PM
Kilclief are in Ulster hurling championship action on Sunday that's why there's no football match.

If the hurlers keep winning and the footballers win the IFC it will be January before Div 3 is decided.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on September 29, 2011, 02:43:27 PM
Clubs with outstandinf ixtures should take it upon themselves to see them out I reckon. Just as Bridge and Ballyholland did at the weekend. A time that suits both teams, get a ref, and thats it. Id county board won't put a fixture on, do it yourselves. Not much organizing needed really.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 29, 2011, 03:01:44 PM
Quote from: ardtole on September 29, 2011, 11:34:17 AM
Divisions 1,2 and 4 seem to be finishing up nicely, but division 3 is a right mess. Kilclief have 6 games left and they dont seem to have a fixture this weekend. The following week they have championship, if they win and I strongly fancy them to do so, they could be playing ulster championship in the following weeks. Ardglass have 5 games left and no game this week either, for the time being anyway. If we dont play this week I think we will only have played 1 game in the last 4 weeks. Its very unfair on the management teams in div 3 this year, its impossible to keep players interested and keep training going when everything is so stop start.

The first half of the season runs very smoothly, everyone knows when their next game is, but as soon as the July break comes it is chaos. There really is no excuse this year, when the master fixture list was issued at the start of the year there was no dates allocated for the last 5 or 6 fixtures in all of div 3. I hope lessons are learned for next year.

whats the views on this? Do we really need a July break for 3 weeks? Maybe one free weekend but certainly no fixtures the whole of July is a bit extreme isnt it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 29, 2011, 03:51:05 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on September 29, 2011, 02:43:27 PM
Clubs with outstandinf ixtures should take it upon themselves to see them out I reckon. Just as Bridge and Ballyholland did at the weekend. A time that suits both teams, get a ref, and thats it. Id county board won't put a fixture on, do it yourselves. Not much organizing needed really.

I totally agree. Division 3 has ended up a total mess this year. Divisions 1, 2 and 4 have seemed to run smooth enough though.

There are only three Division 3 fixtures on this weekend. At this rate it will be another 6 weeks at least before all games are completed then there are the Playoff games. Then you have to factor in the fact that Kilclief have 6 League games left which will have to be played given the fact that Tullylish are also jostling for top position. It looks nigh impossible that a clear run of 6 weeks will be allocated for these fixtures due to the involvement of Kilclief in the IFC Final plus possible Ulster runs in the football and hurling.

Ive a funny feeling that a lot of Div 3 teams will still be kicking about around December time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on September 29, 2011, 09:20:38 PM
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Who was referee in the first minor game?










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Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 28, 2011, 10:44:34 PM
Down Minor Simi Finals

Warrenpoint 1-9 Rostrevor 0-10

Kilcoo 1-11 Burren 1-7

Kilcoo and the Point set up a repeat of the 2009 minor final in a windy Mayobridge tonight.
Marty Devlin was our star man kicking 0-7 in a good team display. A win in the final can make it 3 in a row for us, which would be a great achievement. Tonights win helps lift the gloom from Saturdays defeat in the senior simi.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on September 29, 2011, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: wehatepauly2 on September 29, 2011, 09:20:38 PM
[/sup]
Who was referee in the first minor game?

Young Ciaran Bannaigan from bryansford. he had a very good game. Up and coming Ref!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 29, 2011, 11:20:28 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on September 29, 2011, 02:43:27 PM
Clubs with outstandinf ixtures should take it upon themselves to see them out I reckon. Just as Bridge and Ballyholland did at the weekend. A time that suits both teams, get a ref, and thats it. Id county board won't put a fixture on, do it yourselves. Not much organizing needed really.
Its would be easy enough for 2 neighbouring clubs to arrange 1 outstanding fixture. Some teams in div 3 have half a dozen to play yet. Ardglass offered to play bosco about 2 months ago to get it out off the way but they wouldnt commit to a date. Asking clubs to arrange 25% of their league fixtures is a bit much do you not think. These games are not to be rearranged, they were never arranged in the first place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 30, 2011, 09:36:08 AM
Quote from: outinfront on September 29, 2011, 10:09:39 AM
Tricky enough game for Saul this weekend.  You would think that St Paul's will want to win their last home game of the season.  Bredagh and Drumaness will be hoping for a slip up.

Hope so oif, there is something in the back of my mind about st pauls not fielding at the back end of last year but could be wrong. Anyway it would make for a v tight finish if saul lost, three teams would be on the same points, what would happen? Games against eachother, points difference? I

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 30, 2011, 02:58:20 PM
While the stickfighters of this world may disagree, I struggle badly with the reasoning behind football fixtures being postponed because of hurling fixtures involving the same club.  If the hurling championship is that important to (Kilclief in this example), then they should simply field a weakened team in a football league match. If every game, at every level, in both codes is so important that nothing else can clash with it, then we have an impossible situation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on September 30, 2011, 04:40:07 PM
Quote from: ardtole on September 29, 2011, 11:20:28 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on September 29, 2011, 02:43:27 PM
Clubs with outstandinf ixtures should take it upon themselves to see them out I reckon. Just as Bridge and Ballyholland did at the weekend. A time that suits both teams, get a ref, and thats it. Id county board won't put a fixture on, do it yourselves. Not much organizing needed really.
Its would be easy enough for 2 neighbouring clubs to arrange 1 outstanding fixture. Some teams in div 3 have half a dozen to play yet. Ardglass offered to play bosco about 2 months ago to get it out off the way but they wouldnt commit to a date. Asking clubs to arrange 25% of their league fixtures is a bit much do you not think. These games are not to be rearranged, they were never arranged in the first place.

No obviously thats just an ideal situaton and largely a one-off. But it just shows it is possible. Rather than waiting 4 weeks for a fixture, clubs could contact each other and if it is agreeable then why not. They would obviously have to run it by James McCartan too...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on September 30, 2011, 06:23:19 PM
Quote from: True Blue on September 29, 2011, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: wehatepauly2 on September 29, 2011, 09:20:38 PM
[/sup]
Who was referee in the first minor game?

Young Ciaran Bannaigan from bryansford. he had a very good game. Up and coming Ref!!!!!

Good too see a young footballer doing a refs job, Mickey Kane would be another good man for the job since he hung the boots up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 30, 2011, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: True Blue on September 29, 2011, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: wehatepauly2 on September 29, 2011, 09:20:38 PM
[/sup]
Who was referee in the first minor game?

Young Ciaran Bannaigan from bryansford. he had a very good game. Up and coming Ref!!!!!
Great to see, heard great reports about him. Boys who understand the game need to be refereeing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 30, 2011, 09:40:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 30, 2011, 02:58:20 PM
While the stickfighters of this world may disagree, I struggle badly with the reasoning behind football fixtures being postponed because of hurling fixtures involving the same club.  If the hurling championship is that important to (Kilclief in this example), then they should simply field a weakened team in a football league match. If every game, at every level, in both codes is so important that nothing else can clash with it, then we have an impossible situation.
I think small clubs like Kilclief and Leitrim should be applauded and encouraged for playing both codes. If there was a properly planned fixture schedule at the start of the year that was adhered to, then there should be minimal disruption. Im sure both clubs have several key dual players and it would be very unfair for colin Shields or Phelim Sharvin as managers of kilclief hurlers and footballers to have to sacrafice success this year because of poor planning rather than poor management.

Kilclief should be allowed to compete at full strength in the ulster club hurling this weekend and I am sure the footballers and indeed the whole parish will be there to support them. It is ridiculous to suggest their footballers should potentially jeopardise their position at the top of the league because their fixture was never allocated a time slot in the gaa calendar at the start of the season and should be just squeezed in now to get it over and done with.

This problem was identified straight away in march, it was a disaster waiting to happen, it just seemed whoever was making out the fixture list couldnt be arsed finishing them.  Wobbler,I dont follow hurling an awful lot but I would bet that there are plenty of more hurling fixtures disrupted by football games than vice versa. Maybe the county board could consult with other dual counties like offaly, wexford,Derry, Antrim or Cork for a bit of advice. With only a couple of dual clubs in Down it should never be a problem but it is this year and Kilclief should not be punished beacause of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 30, 2011, 11:12:27 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 30, 2011, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: True Blue on September 29, 2011, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: wehatepauly2 on September 29, 2011, 09:20:38 PM
[/sup]
Who was referee in the first minor game?

Young Ciaran Bannaigan from bryansford. he had a very good game. Up and coming Ref!!!!!
Great to see, heard great reports about him. Boys who understand the game need to be refereeing

Think there is another young lad from Rostrevor who is apparently getting rave reviews, Ciaran Mooney?? Is that Caolan Mooneys brother? Its a huge issue in this county the poor standard of refereeing, all too often the talking point after matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 01, 2011, 11:37:20 AM
Ardtole, what you're basically saying is that every football club in Down should endure a longer and more fragmented season so that a handful of clubs can go stickfighting.

I can't agree. I'm no more for or against hurling than I am soccer. In my mind, if you enter a league, you should be spellbound to complete that league's fixtures in due time, regardless of external or associated commitments.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 01, 2011, 01:12:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 01, 2011, 11:37:20 AM
Ardtole, what you're basically saying is that every football club in Down should endure a longer and more fragmented season so that a handful of clubs can go stickfighting.

I can't agree. I'm no more for or against hurling than I am soccer. In my mind, if you enter a league, you should be spellbound to complete that league's fixtures in due time, regardless of external or associated commitments.
Wobbler I normally agree with you on vast majority of issues but on this case completely disagree. The term stickfighting to start with is extremely patronising for lads who are busting their pan to keep alive an important part of our games in this county. A game which in my opinion requires more skill than Gaelic football. Too suggest that a club should essentially be made choose one or the other at an important stage of the season would have massive implications and would cause nothing but rows, fall outs guaranteed and potentially split the club which from kilclief's point of view would be a disaster and unfair.Kilclief shouldn't and correctly are allowed to accommodate both and deserve congratulating for their dual success not to be backed into a dilemma based corner. Hopefully lessons can be learnt from this year and powers that be look at all potential avenues to avoid winter play offs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 01, 2011, 01:30:03 PM
Dundrumite, the difference in our opinions is because you feel emotionally tied to promoting hurling, whereas I couldn't care less about it. Hurling, as a game, should be able to stand on it's own two feet, and run independently of football. If the games have to complement each other's fixture lists, then it's proper tail wagging the dog stuff. There's maybe 100 dual players in Down; the 800 footballers should not be held to ransom by this minority.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on October 01, 2011, 01:30:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 01, 2011, 11:37:20 AM
Ardtole, what you're basically saying is that every football club in Down should endure a longer and more fragmented season so that a handful of clubs can go stickfighting.

I can't agree. I'm no more for or against hurling than I am soccer. In my mind, if you enter a league, you should be spellbound to complete that league's fixtures in due time, regardless of external or associated commitments.

Have to say that not only do I agree with Dundrumite, I am quite suprised that this is your opinion Wobbler. I am no big hurling fan but it is a vital and colourful part of our history and our Gaelic brotherhood. The beauty of the GAA is that it is more than just a sport and a handful of games, it is a cultural fraternity. We should not be asking people to choose between two improtant aspects of it. And we should be able to allow everyone to participate in all aspects of the GAA where they can. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 01, 2011, 02:07:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 30, 2011, 02:58:20 PM
While the stickfighters of this world may disagree, I struggle badly with the reasoning behind football fixtures being postponed because of hurling fixtures involving the same club.  If the hurling championship is that important to (Kilclief in this example), then they should simply field a weakened team in a football league match. If every game, at every level, in both codes is so important that nothing else can clash with it, then we have an impossible situation.

Ridiculous statement. That and your comparison of hurling with soccer shows a very ignorant view of gaelic games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 01, 2011, 02:52:50 PM
Whitegoodman perhaps you're right.

But in any walk of life I object to situations in which the minority calls the tune for the overwhelming majority.

I'd suggest that your type ofunwillingness to entertain the idea that hurling and football might be mutually exclusive entities, does more harm than good to the Association. Promote hurling by all means, but not at the expense of football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 01, 2011, 05:09:35 PM
This is probably the first time ive defended Kilclief in my life, but to suggest that hurling is wagging the tail of the footballers is pathetic. Dungiven footballers and hurlers won both sfc titles in derry in the same year recently and Ballyboden st ednas in Dublin. So dual clubs can work given a chance. There is a clash this year between football and hurling in Kilclief and its not the clubs fault for being successful. Whoever made up the fixture list for div 3 this year made a c**k up, it could be December before its completed. It shouldnt be too hard to learn from this years mistakes and rectify them for next year. All leagues in my opinion should be completed in september with play offs in October.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 01, 2011, 05:11:35 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 01, 2011, 02:52:50 PM


I'd suggest that your type ofunwillingness to entertain the idea that hurling and football might be mutually exclusive entities, does more harm than good to the Association. Promote hurling by all means, but not at the expense of football.

Wobbler is obviously entitled to his opinion and from his loft perch football is his be all and end all and that's fine as he's in the majority within this county, but as a member of the GAA which is set up to promote all aspects of Irish culture he needs to maybe take a step back from his arrogant stance.

Kilclief, historically are a hurling club who play football and like other dual clubs should be commended not penalised for being successful in both codes and I'm sure they have a sizeable overlap of players being asked to turn out for both codes. More power to them I say.

I've noticed that with a Div3 of 12 teams that's 22 odd fixtures in a year, and I'm no expert on how these leagues work as there may be promotion and relegation playoff's, not to mention championship fixtures, so the club footballer in Down will play almost twice the number of games as his hurling counterpart, so hurling is well and truly already in the ha'penny place in this county thanks to men in power.

If the football leagues are not being completed then reduce the size and have five leagues instead of four.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 01, 2011, 05:47:41 PM
The arguments about accommodating football and hurling are always complicated, but I would question Wobbler's claim that there are `maybe 100' dual players in Down. If you include the underage ranks, from u12 upwards, there would be not far short of that number in the Bredagh club alone. They all deserve the chance to play their football and hurling, although it is very difficult to be competitive, as opposed to simply fielding teams, in both codes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 01, 2011, 05:54:10 PM
ACFL Division 1

Saval 1-7 Kilcoo 1-11

Good way for us to bounce back from last weeks demorilising defeat with a deserving 4 point win in Saval in wet conditions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on October 01, 2011, 06:55:29 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 01, 2011, 05:54:10 PM
ACFL Division 1

Saval 1-7 Kilcoo 1-11

Good way for us to bounce back from last weeks demorilising defeat with a deserving 4 point win in Saval in wet conditions.


Great result with a very young team,fine display from everyone on an awful wet evening?
Any other results?how'd the yellas do?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 01, 2011, 08:12:08 PM
Mourne Rover, let's not get hung up on exact figures. If you want to bring dual juveniles into the equation, then also take into the equation juvenile footballers only. In which case the duallists continue to be a tiny minority.

Ardtole, hurling isn't the tail thats wagging football's dog. Kilclief are the tail in this instance. Because they, one club in Division 3, are playing important hurling matches, every other club in thei division has to wait aroun for them, and they'll all be playing football in November, and the hugely important playoff matches will be muck infested wars of attrition in December.

The point I'm really trying to get across here is that in my opinion, this is too big an ask of Kilclief's competitors in Division 3. There just is no sense in a football division being put in hold because one team wishes to use their players in another sport.

The hurling folk can play their emotive cards all they like, but if at the same time they're not prepared to accept that this is not a league secretary's fault, then I think these noises should be ignored. If we need a 40 week season because one team wants to wave their sticks around, then this is very much the case of a tail wagging the dog.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on October 01, 2011, 08:42:07 PM
It's the case of you having a chip on your shoulder.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 01, 2011, 08:55:41 PM
Wobbler, no harm to you but you are talking shite.  We have been lucky enough to have a successful (thus far) season in both codes and you reckon we are holding up Division 3?  The footballers had plenty of free nights in March, April, May, June and July when they could have played games.  The county board have fucked up and no-one else, they were well aware of the dates of Ulster competitions and they are well aware of the dual clubs in the county.  Every eventuality should have been planned for.

I understand you care not one jot for hurling and you are entitled to your opinion.  I am far from a hurling zealot but your hatred of the small ball game borders on the ridiculous.

As for fielding a weakened team in the football league, would Shane Mulholland do it if he was managing a team in our position?  If you have nothing to play for and you are happy enough getting beat by a cricket score then fair enough, but we have a chance of getting back to senior football and I think you are savvy enough to know what that would mean to us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 01, 2011, 09:10:36 PM
No.1 I have nothing but admiration for what Kilclief gave achieved this season. And I know all too well what senior football would mean to your club.

But surely you have to see that in giving Kilclief the chance to go fully armed to every fixture in both codes, it's actually disadvantaging every other club in your league, as everything is in limbo until you folks can concentrate on league football again.

What I'm suggesting above has nothing to do with whether or not I like hurling. What I hated most when I played ball was seasons dragging on indefinitely, and trying to avoid this situation is in everyone's interests. What Shane would do in this situation I don't know, but I do know we've played umpteen fixtures in Octobers over the past decade when it didn't suit us, and we had to put out a weakened team. The county board in those instances was unremitting, you play the fixture or you forfeit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 01, 2011, 09:26:25 PM
It's not about giving us a chance to go into every fixture "fully armed".  The point I am making is that the county board had numerous opportunities to have Div 3 fixtures played in the spring and summer months and failed to do so.  I don't think our footballers or hurlers should be penalised at this stage for their c**k up. 

I'm nearly laughing at the thought of the county board pushing an agenda in favour of Kilclief and I can assure you that our boys are not exactly looking forward to playing league football in October and November.

I think you know rightly that anybody managing a football team in our position wouldn't countenance fielding anything other than their strongest possible 15.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 01, 2011, 09:31:57 PM
Wobbller,
    The fixtures secretary and county board have every much an obligation to accommodate hurling as football, even though most of the time it doesn't seem like it. Hurling is part of your association as much as you don't like to admit it and to say that the fixtures secretary or county board would do the same for a soccer game as a hurling game is a bit galling. You like to put the two in parity, but that's not the case when you pay your subs to your club every year.
  Kilclief are doing a juggling act at the minute as I'm sure their hurlers would like to have a good crack at the Ulster championship as much as their footballers want to push on for an intermediate football championship and Div2.
  This is not something new as either last year or the year before we'd five hurling teams on hold for up to six weeks as Liatroim played out a protracted Div1 football relegation battle and wouldn't fulfill any hurling fixtures in the meantime. The county board accommodated them then, so its only right that Kilclief are accommodated now as much as it may mean the last few hurling competitions within the county are also delayed.
  It may be a new phenomenon for you footballers to be on the receiving end, but its all too common for us hurlers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 01, 2011, 10:06:26 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 01, 2011, 09:10:36 PM
No.1 I have nothing but admiration for what Kilclief gave achieved this season. And I know all too well what senior football would mean to your club.

But surely you have to see that in giving Kilclief the chance to go fully armed to every fixture in both codes, it's actually disadvantaging every other club in your league, as everything is in limbo until you folks can concentrate on league football again.

What I'm suggesting above has nothing to do with whether or not I like hurling. What I hated most when I played ball was seasons dragging on indefinitely, and trying to avoid this situation is in everyone's interests. What Shane would do in this situation I don't know, but I do know we've played umpteen fixtures in Octobers over the past decade when it didn't suit us, and we had to put out a weakened team. The county board in those instances was unremitting, you play the fixture or you forfeit.

You hit the nail on the head wobbler, you play the fixture or you forfeit. These fixtures would have all been fulfilled 6 weeks ago if they had to have been organised.  The last 5 games for all div 3 teams were never allocated a time slot at the start of the year, so trying to squeeze them in now is not Kilcliefs fault. Ardglass have 5 games to play yet and we have no hurling team. We have only had 1 game in 3 or 4 weeks. If any team from the 3rd division got to the ifc final it was going to fcuk up the league. This situation is soley the responsability of the person who was in charge of organising the fixtures for div 3 this year. Posters on here a lot longer than me highlighted the potential problems back in march, clubs in div 3 pay their fees at the start of the year and deserve to be treated a lot better than they have recently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: duffed on October 01, 2011, 10:55:40 PM
Carryduff are in the same position.  They are in the mix for play-offs in Division 3 and are in the Ulster Hurling Junior Championship. They sat for weeks with no games in football so why should they have to field a weakened team in either code.  It is sometimes hard to believe but the County Bpard cover all codes and not just football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 02, 2011, 12:18:13 PM
Lads, i think we are all missing a vital point here, the time for starting our league is far too late, most teams are starting pre season in January and dont start league games until end of march. Then we are into intercounty championship time and suddenly we have games called off, players missing and all sorts. Why the county board don't start the leagues alot earlier I don't know.

The starred game system was started to accomodate county team preparation, but now we have situations were starred games are cancelled or replaced with other fixtures and slowly the system deteriorates. Clubs have to be more honest and realistic about why they look for games to be called off or refixed, and then in turn get them played in the middle of the following week.

Similarly I am all for accomodating Hurling but surely in the case of Dual clubs, we would be better having an agreement whereby if the club has a football fixture on a friday night , they must play their Hurling fixture on a sunday or vice versa. We lose too much valuable time in the long summer evenings where games are not played. The argument might be that it disrupts training schedules to play on a sunday but a good game will work every bit as well for them dual clubs.

Cut the July break to two weeks. I remember there was always a game played on the thursday or friday of the holidays and then again on the last sunday. There are umpteen opportunities to get games played but unless we Take them, we will be playing before the christmas dinner every year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on October 02, 2011, 04:34:35 PM
ACL4: St Pauls 0-5 Saul 7-11

One step closer. Bkinlar at home to finish and then good luck to Bredagh and Drumaness in the scramble for 2nd.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 02, 2011, 05:10:42 PM
Weekend Results

Division 1

Burren 1-14  Longstone 1-07
Bryansford 0-10  An Riocht 0-14
Saval 1-07  Kilcoo 1-11
Rostrevor v Clonduff - 5pm

Division 2

Annaclone  1-10 0-14 Loughinisland   
Drumgath  1-8 3-15 Shamrocks 
Downpatrick  1-14 2-9 Warrenpoint
Castlewellan  2-16 1-11 Clann na Banna   
Liatroim  1-13 0-13 Ballymartin 

Division 3

Glenn 1-07  Bosco 1-07
Tullylish 3-17  Dundrum 0-07
Glasdrumman 2-18  St Johns 1-10

Division 4

Bright  0-8 2-24 Drumaness   
Teconnaught  2-11 1-7 Aghaderg   
St Michaels  0-0 0-5 Dromara   
Ballykinlar  0-4 4-21 Bredagh   
St Pauls  0-6 7-10 Saul 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 02, 2011, 06:30:00 PM
Kilclief hurlers were destroyed 2-24 to 4-8.

Maybe we'll get Div 3 finished now.      ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 02, 2011, 06:45:01 PM
Here's hoping ;)

Tell mr, is Down hurling not a good enough prep for Ulster, or did you meet a crack outfit?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 02, 2011, 07:43:31 PM
Clonduff beat Rostrevor this evening.
If Clonduff, Longstone and An Riocht all win their last game, then Rostrevor will go down to Div 2 automatically
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 02, 2011, 08:07:16 PM
rostrevor 1-10 clonduff 2-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 02, 2011, 08:09:35 PM
Was just thinking that myself, any one of 4 teams could still be automatically relegated.  Clonduff will know what they have to do when they eventually come to playing Burren in the league.

Also Clonduff could be beat in a championship final and relegated by the same team.......Or win the championship and stay up against the same team.  Burren are going to define Clonduff's year.

On the game today they were 2 behind with less than 10 to go and pulled it out of the bag.  They are gathering momentum and have clearly generated a lot of spirit but its diffiicult to know whether they have enough to trouble Burrens defence or enough to stop Burrens forward line. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 02, 2011, 08:38:35 PM
Longstones last game is against Rostrevor so there could be a few outcomes from the last round. It's still in our hands. I believe they will play all matches on the same day so no team knows what they have/have not to do!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 02, 2011, 08:41:26 PM
Jez its tight at the bottom of Division 1. So Clonduff v Burren and Rostrevor v Longstone in the last round, anyone know who the Kingdom play?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 02, 2011, 08:53:03 PM
Think Kingdom are at home to the bridge.  All fixtures other than the burren v clonduff game are down for next saturday.

Difficult to see rostrevor getting a result down in the stone and if kingdom can pull out a result against a bridge team not playing for anything, rostrevor will be relying on burren to do them a favour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on October 02, 2011, 09:14:27 PM
All makes for a very exciting finish.. But from what i seen from An Riocht today, i'm sure we have more than enough to stay up, the spirit, work-rate and the willingness to work for each other really shone through, the 15 fellas and the subs used worked their balls off for one another. Played some outstanding football on a wild wet field. Our CHB young Decky Doyle, gave Conor Magin a real lesson, only 17 and dosent look outta place in division 1.
We wnt in trailing 9-3 at ht and Battled back to win 14 - 10, outscoring the ford 8-1 in the 2nd half, our best performance of the year and were finally starting to build momentum when we need to.
Mayobridge will be tough, but i think we'll come out of it with 2 points
An Riocht Abu
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 02, 2011, 09:23:53 PM
Anyone else hear of a meeting in canal court last wk involving a 50 strong panel and the county management?

Any new players? Off top of my head would like Philip Bonny,Danny Savage, Arthur McConville, Colm Murney, Keith Quinn and Donal O'Hare to get involved in the priliminary squad anyway.

Thought about Kilcoo but without any disrespect I couldnt think of any individuals that stood out in the 10 or so games i watched this year.  A good team without outstanding individuals other than Laverty imo.

Havnt seen any of the lower divisions to comment on any potential players from there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 02, 2011, 09:33:19 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 02, 2011, 09:23:53 PM
Anyone else hear of a meeting in canal court last wk involving a 50 strong panel and the county management?

Any new players? Off top of my head would like Philip Bonny,Danny Savage, Arthur McConville, Colm Murney, Keith Quinn and Donal O'Hare to get involved in the priliminary squad anyway.

Thought about Kilcoo but without any disrespect I couldnt think of any individuals that stood out in the 10 or so games i watched this year.  A good team without outstanding individuals other than Laverty imo.

Havnt seen any of the lower divisions to comment on any potential players from there.

Marcus Miskelly of Darragh Cross, Ricky Kerr of Kilclief, Gareth Johnston of Tullylish and Liam Mullan of Ardglass would be worth a tryout.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 02, 2011, 09:42:34 PM
Liked the look of Conor Toner from Burren any time i have seen Burren play this year. Big strong fella but young . Also Arthur Mc Conville would be worth a try as someone said earlier . Donal O Hare looks a certainty a Ryan Brady would give you his all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 02, 2011, 09:51:28 PM
Anyone proposing namesshould bear in mind that Down have a bloody good forward line as it stands. I'd be thinking only exceptional forwards should be pushed forward as alternatives, and not good club players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 02, 2011, 10:12:00 PM
Toner is young and Id let him develop with Burren and the under 21s for another year or 2.

IMO the following players are likely to be the mainstays of the team next year;

G McCartan
Gordon
Garvey
Rooney
Ambrose
McGinn
Poland
Coulter

Obviously McVeigh, McKernan,King and McCumisky will be close but given their performances last year I would think that there are places up for grabs including a least 1 new forward given martys likely departure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 02, 2011, 10:13:17 PM
Just because we have good forwards at the minute a bit of competion among the players keeps them on their toes and gives other options
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 02, 2011, 10:22:35 PM
I hear Conor Toner and Donal O'Hare are in the panel mentioned. As well as Conor Magee from Rostrevor. Not sure about others!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 02, 2011, 10:28:39 PM
There is definitley a spot for a midfielder up for grabs. Fitzpatrick away to oz, ambrose injury prone, King I think was found out last year, McArdle shouldnt be there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 02, 2011, 11:02:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2011, 09:51:28 PM
Anyone proposing namesshould bear in mind that Down have a bloody good forward line as it stands. I'd be thinking only exceptional forwards should be pushed forward as alternatives, and not good club players.

Dont know how you v come to this conclusion? Could you explain the word exceptional? Who in the current down forward line would you describe as exceptional??  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 02, 2011, 11:39:54 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 02, 2011, 11:02:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2011, 09:51:28 PM
Anyone proposing namesshould bear in mind that Down have a bloody good forward line as it stands. I'd be thinking only exceptional forwards should be pushed forward as alternatives, and not good club players.

Dont know how you v come to this conclusion? Could you explain the word exceptional? Who in the current down forward line would you describe as exceptional??  ???

Danny Hughes, Benny coulter, Paul mc Comiskey, Conor Laverty and Conor maginn are all definitely better than any other forwards in the county not on the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 02, 2011, 11:59:02 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 02, 2011, 11:39:54 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 02, 2011, 11:02:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2011, 09:51:28 PM
Anyone proposing namesshould bear in mind that Down have a bloody good forward line as it stands. I'd be thinking only exceptional forwards should be pushed forward as alternatives, and not good club players.

Dont know how you v come to this conclusion? Could you explain the word exceptional? Who in the current down forward line would you describe as exceptional??  ???

Danny Hughes, Benny coulter, Paul mc Comiskey, Conor Laverty and Conor maginn are all definitely better than any other forwards in the county not on the panel.

Danny was exceptional in 2010, but this year had a shocking season, Coulter is gettin on a bit and his hamstrings are no longer going to give you 9 months of graft! Laverty is just pure and simply too light for intercounty top level footballl, you could argue the same about mc comisky, Maginn is a terrific worker but what does he contribute going forward?? Im not being negative, im just trying to get Wobbler to think about usuing the word EXEPTIONAL!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 03, 2011, 07:53:14 AM
Carryduff and Kilclief hurlers both well beaten yesterday. Our poor run in Ulster continues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 03, 2011, 08:48:33 AM
That's not what I'm saying NP76. I agree with you that competition is needed. But it's going to take more than a good club player to apply that pressure. We don't need now what Ross did a few years ago when he gave every half decent club player in the county a run out. We need players who'll improve the lot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 03, 2011, 09:59:14 AM
trials to start in NOV - county split into 4 teams - round robin style -  plan is to see if they can unearth a few more serious competitors to the starting 15.

please dont start suggesting young lads at 18/19 years of age - whilst they have potential, let them play a season or two at u21 level before pushing them through to seniors.

i would love Down to have an extended senior panel, called it development panel if you like - purely for 10/15 young lads with potential, who get the strength & conditioning / nutrition advice that the seniors get - & pull them in for in house games when needed so that they also see the level they need to reach. A la premiership style, bring them along to some senior games, have them in the changing room, give them a feel for being part of it; something to aspire to.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 03, 2011, 10:02:40 AM
A good club player needs time to adapt to the county set up where things are done at a quicker pace . He will only gain this experience by being involved in the county set up . This change in pace is evident even in challenge games where the players only have split seconds to make decisions before they get hit not like playing club football . To get this speed of movement takes time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 03, 2011, 12:32:41 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 02, 2011, 11:59:02 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 02, 2011, 11:39:54 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 02, 2011, 11:02:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2011, 09:51:28 PM
Anyone proposing namesshould bear in mind that Down have a bloody good forward line as it stands. I'd be thinking only exceptional forwards should be pushed forward as alternatives, and not good club players.

Dont know how you v come to this conclusion? Could you explain the word exceptional? Who in the current down forward line would you describe as exceptional??  ???

Danny Hughes, Benny coulter, Paul mc Comiskey, Conor Laverty and Conor maginn are all definitely better than any other forwards in the county not on the panel.

Danny was exceptional in 2010, but this year had a shocking season, Coulter is gettin on a bit and his hamstrings are no longer going to give you 9 months of graft! Laverty is just pure and simply too light for intercounty top level footballl, you could argue the same about mc comisky, Maginn is a terrific worker but what does he contribute going forward?? Im not being negative, im just trying to get Wobbler to think about usuing the word EXEPTIONAL!!

Are you serious? Paul is one of the strongest players on the panel. Think this has been said before on here.

Quote from: NP 76 on October 03, 2011, 10:02:40 AM
A good club player needs time to adapt to the county set up where things are done at a quicker pace . He will only gain this experience by being involved in the county set up . This change in pace is evident even in challenge games where the players only have split seconds to make decisions before they get hit not like playing club football . To get this speed of movement takes time

Don't believe this is true. In fact quite the opposite. If a player is not in the top 20 in the county they get no game time for Down and get very little game time for their club. It may be a while ago, but was the reason Joe Doran never went back when asked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 03, 2011, 01:13:40 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on October 03, 2011, 09:59:14 AM
trials to start in NOV - county split into 4 teams - round robin style -  plan is to see if they can unearth a few more serious competitors to the starting 15.

please dont start suggesting young lads at 18/19 years of age - whilst they have potential, let them play a season or two at u21 level before pushing them through to seniors.

i would love Down to have an extended senior panel, called it development panel if you like - purely for 10/15 young lads with potential, who get the strength & conditioning / nutrition advice that the seniors get - & pull them in for in house games when needed so that they also see the level they need to reach. A la premiership style, bring them along to some senior games, have them in the changing room, give them a feel for being part of it; something to aspire to.



This is all great in theory but it would mean 1 of 2 things

1) The clubs get to see even less of their young players if they are training with the county squad or playing in house games

or 2) The younger lads will end up training 4 or 5 times a wk to keep both camps happy which will end up in injury/burnout.

I happen to think that the Down squad from last year at 40 was too big as it is.  Lads getting no games and having lost confidence went back to their clubs in a lot worse shape than when they left.  IMO have your trial games now before christmas, pull a 40 man squad together for McKenna cup, whittle it down to 32 for National League and add any potential under 21's to the panel after the under 21 championship if good enough and ready for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 03, 2011, 01:55:12 PM
whitegoodman, you miss the point entirely. I mean only include these younger lads periodically - they dont train with the panel each week otherwise they may as well be full time on the panel! this is a process that gives them a taste, sets the standards they need to get to over their developmental 18-20 years old profile......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 03, 2011, 02:31:27 PM
What is the under 21 setup for? development?

I see what ur trying to say but cant see it working in gaelic football.  Periodically, once a wk? once a mth? structured/unstructured?  This may work in professional sports such as soccer or rugby but can you really see young lads going to county training once or twice a month for a couple of years without any results at the end of it.  Young lads lose interest very quickly when there are no rewards in sight.

They have should have enough football development between club under 21/senior, county under 21 and sigerson
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 03, 2011, 03:42:40 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on October 03, 2011, 01:55:12 PM
whitegoodman, you miss the point entirely. I mean only include these younger lads periodically - they dont train with the panel each week otherwise they may as well be full time on the panel! this is a process that gives them a taste, sets the standards they need to get to over their developmental 18-20 years old profile......

Correct me if Im wrong but I am nearly sure Ross did this, they had a few sessions in Tullymore park astro pitch and weights with Paul Murphy the trainer at the time but it never really took off. I know one or two guys from Bryansford who were asked along. Personally if managed properly is a tremendous idea and well worth considering.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on October 03, 2011, 07:58:54 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 02, 2011, 09:23:53 PM
Anyone else hear of a meeting in canal court last wk involving a 50 strong panel and the county management?

Any new players? Off top of my head would like Philip Bonny,Danny Savage, Arthur McConville, Colm Murney, Keith Quinn and Donal O'Hare to get involved in the priliminary squad anyway.

Thought about Kilcoo but without any disrespect I couldnt think of any individuals that stood out in the 10 or so games i watched this year.  A good team without outstanding individuals other than Laverty imo.
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I would give felim mcgreevy from kilcoo,most consistent midfielder I've seen all year,has got the upper hand on many a county player
this year and made king look very poor in the championship,definatly worth a try,also maybe Paul Devlin although he didn't have a great year but his work rate is unreal,other than that kilcoo don't really have any others that stand out but they seem to work very well as a team

Havnt seen any of the lower divisions to comment on any potential players from there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 03, 2011, 09:47:59 PM
Just seen this extract from St John's club notes for this week in reference to losing a Minor B Semi Final to Bosco last week.

"No one can question the commitment and attitude of certain players who put this one match ahead of their long term career whereas some players need to take a serious look at themselves if they want to succeed as Senior footballers. The younger players cannot be blamed for this defeat, particularly Colm Kelly and Jerome Gordon who done what was asked of them and more. Best for St. John's on the night was Chris McKay who is often criticised for his lack of effort but no one can question his commitment to the Minors, also Martin Keenan played his heart out but was lacking support until Darren Burns came on, who contributed 1-3. Ryan Gordon, who hasn't played or trained in two months, played through the pain barrier winning tackles he had no right to win.

Is this type of stuff in bold a bit inappropriate for club notes or do posters think it is ok to run with something like this in the local press?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 04, 2011, 12:50:48 AM
 If I was playing on that team and not highlighted for doing well i would be thinking is that criticism aimed at me? I think i would be well p***ed off as a player. Especially in a teen group who at best of times can be moody. Also if a general member of that club  i would not be overly happy.If there is an issue with players on a team deal with it behind doors,falls along the lines of airing dirty laundry in public.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on October 04, 2011, 03:05:21 AM
This type of report and any discussion emanating from it should be kept in-house. Bad judgement on the part of the P.R.O.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 04, 2011, 09:37:38 AM
i have not heard about many players from the lower ranks being drafted into the county set up but if what a previous poster wrote is correct then Miskelly from Darragh Cross (who has simply been brilliant all year) and Kerr from Kilclief will not look out of place. I would love to see a div 3 select play a div 2 and 1 select to see what size the gulf is. There is a question for all you regulars at Div 3 games. What 15 would you thrown out against Coulter et al.

As for St. Johns, shameful reporting. Maybe the club should look deeper into why there was little or no committment shown ie training standards, manager treatment, etc. I doubt anyone went out on the pitch tp play bad on the day. For a small club like St. Johns i think they would be better holding their tongue and not alienate the future they will heavily rely on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 04, 2011, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: When We Win on October 04, 2011, 09:37:38 AM
i have not heard about many players from the lower ranks being drafted into the county set up but if what a previous poster wrote is correct then Miskelly from Darragh Cross (who has simply been brilliant all year) and Kerr from Kilclief will not look out of place. I would love to see a div 3 select play a div 2 and 1 select to see what size the gulf is. There is a question for all you regulars at Div 3 games. What 15 would you thrown out against Coulter et al.

As for St. Johns, shameful reporting. Maybe the club should look deeper into why there was little or no committment shown ie training standards, manager treatment, etc. I doubt anyone went out on the pitch tp play bad on the day. For a small club like St. Johns i think they would be better holding their tongue and not alienate the future they will heavily rely on.

Same problems keep creeping up, when you look through division 3, When We Win, the stand out players all tend to be midfielders and forwards, the likes of  J Mc Areavey, C Harrison, R Kerr, ,M Magee, M Miskelly, C Duggan, P Mc Comisky, M Bagnal, N Mc Parland to name a few...

Could anyone here name 6 real standout defenders they v seen across the 4 leagues this year??? I would struggle to name 6 in division 1 who are not already in the panel. Maybe Luke Howard and Stevie Toner are worth pursuing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 04, 2011, 02:35:35 PM
I think Adam King from Saul would be worth a go, he played very well against longstone for lecale earlier in the year. Conor Poland I think may feature more this year. Ive seen him play a few times now and he always seemed to have a wee bit of class about him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 04, 2011, 10:33:00 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 04, 2011, 02:35:35 PM
I think Adam King from Saul would be worth a go, he played very well against longstone for lecale earlier in the year. Conor Poland I think may feature more this year. Ive seen him play a few times now and he always seemed to have a wee bit of class about him.
He is a great player Ardtole but will be turning 28 this season I think too late in the day for that.for yourselves I always thought Stephen Deegan at least deserved a trial in yesteryear
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 05, 2011, 11:46:10 AM
I didnt realise Adam King was anywhere near 28, he's a very tough competitor. You are right about Stevie Deegans though, considering Down were struggling for a full back for the best part of 10 years he should have been given a chance. In his prime he stood out a mile in div 3 and always looked like it was too easy for him. Ive no doubts whatsoever he was good enough to play county football, especially when you consider some of the players who lined out in the full back line under paddy and ross
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on October 05, 2011, 04:44:09 PM
Fitness is  a major issue, players in division 3 can look very fit but then they step up to inter county level and it is apparent how far they have to go. There is a big enough gap from Division 1 fitness to county level but at least it can be bridged by most in a year. For lower divisions the gap is really big. There are a few who are at that level by always being involved with the county such as McComiskey who has been training for a county side since he was about 16. But to ask a guy in his mid to late twenties to step up is asking a lot. Of course there may be an exception out there but it is hard to see anyone of this age group, who may otherwise have enough natural talent, but has not been regularly training with the county being able to make the step up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 05, 2011, 04:53:23 PM
Just looking at the tables there. there is a few interesting games this weekend. Winners of Loughlinisland v Downpatrick guaranteed a play-off with Liam Doyle and co sneaking the other spot.

Div 1 relegation going right down to the wire.

Carryduff v Darragh Cross the big crunch game in div 3 promotion.

i will be waiting patiently by the computer to see the outcomes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on October 06, 2011, 12:18:38 AM
Quote from: When We Win on October 05, 2011, 04:53:23 PM
Just looking at the tables there. there is a few interesting games this weekend. Winners of Loughlinisland v Downpatrick guaranteed a play-off with Liam Doyle and co sneaking the other spot.

Div 1 relegation going right down to the wire.

Carryduff v Darragh Cross the big crunch game in div 3 promotion.

i will be waiting patiently by the computer to see the outcomes.

Another arm chair supporter - typical
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 06, 2011, 08:45:02 PM
draw for the 2012 ulster championship have just been made and surely we'll never have a better chance of getting to an ulster final. first up for down is an away trip to fermanagh and the winners will play monaghan or antrim, with donegal, derry, armagh and tyrone in the other half of the draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 06, 2011, 08:52:01 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 06, 2011, 08:45:02 PM
draw for the 2012 ulster championship have just been made and surely we'll never have a better chance of getting to an ulster final. first up for down is an away trip to fermanagh and the winners will play monaghan or antrim, with donegal, derry, armagh and tyrone in the other half of the draw.

What an opportunity to win the anglo celt for the first time since 1994. Down should be able to get over Fermanagh and i would fully expect them to beat the winners of Monaghan/Antrim. Then one massive performance in the Ulster final would be required against a team that will have came though 2/3 tough encounters. An Ulster title would do wonders for the team, Just look at Donegal the year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 06, 2011, 09:58:42 PM
Quote from: When We Win on October 05, 2011, 04:53:23 PM
Just looking at the tables there. there is a few interesting games this weekend. Winners of Loughlinisland v Downpatrick guaranteed a play-off with Liam Doyle and co sneaking the other spot.

Div 1 relegation going right down to the wire.

Carryduff v Darragh Cross the big crunch game in div 3 promotion.

i will be waiting patiently by the computer to see the outcomes.

yeah I will be intrigued with those results as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 06, 2011, 11:14:38 PM
It's been a tough few months for the Down senior team, taking into account disappointing championship results and the loss through injury and unavailability of key players, so we were due a bit of a lift. We certainly got it through the USC draw, which could hardly have been more favourable. Of course, on our last championship trip to Enniskillen in 09, we were deservedly beaten. If we survive this time, we have either Monaghan - who won at Newry in our last USC tie in 07 - or Antrim, who looked at though they would beat us at Casement for a prolonged period this summer. It's also the case that the last time we lifted the Anglo-Celt all of 16 years ago, it was not through the perceived easy side of the draw but via an away game against the AI champions in the first round. However, if we are serious about pushing forward, we have been handed a considerable incentive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 07, 2011, 10:09:16 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on October 06, 2011, 12:18:38 AM
Quote from: When We Win on October 05, 2011, 04:53:23 PM
Just looking at the tables there. there is a few interesting games this weekend. Winners of Loughlinisland v Downpatrick guaranteed a play-off with Liam Doyle and co sneaking the other spot.

Div 1 relegation going right down to the wire.

Carryduff v Darragh Cross the big crunch game in div 3 promotion.

i will be waiting patiently by the computer to see the outcomes.

Another arm chair supporter - typical

What makes an arm chair supporter Ned. Is it someone who has other committements on Saturday and cant attend some matches which does not involve their local club? If so then yes I am and will sit comfortably in my sofa waiting on the results coming through. I suppose you intend to make a dash around all the games collecting the results directly from the ref even though majority of the aforementioned games are on at the same time? Good luck with that one. Personally i will wait until sunday to watch the local Carryduff v Darragh Cross game. I expect you to be in your arm chair for that one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 07, 2011, 01:15:25 PM
Great draw for down.  We go back to Fermanagh with the memories of that debacle of a few years ago but we are in a very different place from there and should win pulling up.  Monaghan who I expect will beat Antrim will be a tough test but if we have improved at all over the last 3 years we should be hoping for a win.  A first Ulster final in 9 years would then await and you just dont know what can happen from there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 07, 2011, 01:17:02 PM
Every year for two decades (apart from a the first round Tyrone games in the early noughties) I've looked at the draw and saw a clear Down path to the final. I'm not falling into the trap this time. Fermanagh will probably dig Darren Carson out of wherever he went to, and he'll put in another MOTM performance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on October 07, 2011, 01:19:07 PM
As long as we don't get a repeat of our last Ulster final appearance. The replay I mean. Was embarrassing to be honest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 07, 2011, 01:22:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 07, 2011, 01:17:02 PM
Every year for two decades (apart from a the first round Tyrone games in the early noughties) I've looked at the draw and saw a clear Down path to the final. I'm not falling into the trap this time. Fermanagh will probably dig Darren Carson out of wherever he went to, and he'll put in another MOTM performance.

If we cant beat Fermanagh we may quit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on October 07, 2011, 01:24:57 PM
I remember our u21 footballers being put out in the firs tround by Fermangh in 2007 too. Bit of a bogey team they are..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on October 07, 2011, 04:57:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 07, 2011, 01:17:02 PM
Every year for two decades (apart from a the first round Tyrone games in the early noughties) I've looked at the draw and saw a clear Down path to the final. I'm not falling into the trap this time. Fermanagh will probably dig Darren Carson out of wherever he went to, and he'll put in another MOTM performance.

Think its Ryan Carson AKA Blobby
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 07, 2011, 05:18:58 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on October 07, 2011, 01:24:57 PM
I remember our u21 footballers being put out in the firs tround by Fermangh in 2007 too. Bit of a bogey team they are..

I remember that game. We had a seriously talented bunch of players that year too.
Title: Ulster Championship
Post by: No1 on October 07, 2011, 11:14:25 PM
Has there been some sort of collective memory loss?  Does nobody remember the hiding Cork gave us last year?  Has everyone also forgotten our last championship game in Brewster Park?  Talk of an Ulster Final is madness at this stage.

Looks like Kilclief's Ricky Kerr is going to miss the IFC final, he wrecked his ankle playing the foreign game last week.

Oh and Wobbler we didn't meet a crack outfit in the Ulster club hurling championship, we were just shite!
Title: Re: Ulster Championship
Post by: DownFanatic on October 07, 2011, 11:38:58 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 07, 2011, 11:14:25 PM
Has there been some sort of collective memory loss?  Does nobody remember the hiding Cork gave us last year?  Has everyone also forgotten our last championship game in Brewster Park?  Talk of an Ulster Final is madness at this stage.

Looks like Kilclief's Ricky Kerr is going to miss the IFC final, he wrecked his ankle playing the foreign game last week.

Oh and Wobbler we didn't meet a crack outfit in the Ulster club hurling championship, we were just shite!

Seen that he went off injured for Ardglass in the groundball last Saturday. That's a serious blow. Probably one of the best forwards in the IFC this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 08, 2011, 07:51:47 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 07, 2011, 11:14:25 PM
Has there been some sort of collective memory loss?  Does nobody remember the hiding Cork gave us last year?  Has everyone also forgotten our last championship game in Brewster Park?  Talk of an Ulster Final is madness at this stage.

Looks like Kilclief's Ricky Kerr is going to miss the IFC final, he wrecked his ankle playing the foreign game last week.

Oh and Wobbler we didn't meet a crack outfit in the Ulster club hurling championship, we were just shite!

Fermanagh are in the worst 5 teams in the country with possibly the worst manager in the country so if Down dont go down there and win by at least 6 points there is something seriously wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on October 08, 2011, 08:12:11 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 08, 2011, 07:51:47 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 07, 2011, 11:14:25 PM
Has there been some sort of collective memory loss?  Does nobody remember the hiding Cork gave us last year?  Has everyone also forgotten our last championship game in Brewster Park?  Talk of an Ulster Final is madness at this stage.

Looks like Kilclief's Ricky Kerr is going to miss the IFC final, he wrecked his ankle playing the foreign game last week.

Oh and Wobbler we didn't meet a crack outfit in the Ulster club hurling championship, we were just shite!

Fermanagh are in the worst 5 teams in the country with possibly the worst manager in the country so if Down dont go down there and win by at least 6 points there is something seriously wrong.
Fermanagh hit rock bottom this year, so I can only see them improving. (Providing they get a new manager). If your man stays then Down should win with their dicks out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 08, 2011, 08:23:47 AM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on October 08, 2011, 08:12:11 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 08, 2011, 07:51:47 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 07, 2011, 11:14:25 PM
Has there been some sort of collective memory loss?  Does nobody remember the hiding Cork gave us last year?  Has everyone also forgotten our last championship game in Brewster Park?  Talk of an Ulster Final is madness at this stage.

Looks like Kilclief's Ricky Kerr is going to miss the IFC final, he wrecked his ankle playing the foreign game last week.

Oh and Wobbler we didn't meet a crack outfit in the Ulster club hurling championship, we were just shite!

Fermanagh are in the worst 5 teams in the country with possibly the worst manager in the country so if Down dont go down there and win by at least 6 points there is something seriously wrong.
Fermanagh hit rock bottom this year, so I can only see them improving. (Providing they get a new manager). If your man stays then Down should win with their dicks out.

:D
Title: Re: Ulster Championship
Post by: GAA_Talk on October 08, 2011, 12:54:35 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 07, 2011, 11:38:58 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 07, 2011, 11:14:25 PM
Has there been some sort of collective memory loss?  Does nobody remember the hiding Cork gave us last year?  Has everyone also forgotten our last championship game in Brewster Park?  Talk of an Ulster Final is madness at this stage.

Looks like Kilclief's Ricky Kerr is going to miss the IFC final, he wrecked his ankle playing the foreign game last week.

Oh and Wobbler we didn't meet a crack outfit in the Ulster club hurling championship, we were just shite!

Seen that he went off injured for Ardglass in the groundball last Saturday. That's a serious blow. Probably one of the best forwards in the IFC this year.

Big loss to Kilclief although I still think they will have enough fire power to overcome Ballymartin. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 08, 2011, 04:58:54 PM
ACFL Division 1

Kilcoo beat Ballyholland 0-13 to 1-7 in a rather meaningless game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on October 08, 2011, 05:19:07 PM
Anybody heading to the minor + junior finals in newry 2moro? Credit where credit's due the Down Recorder actually done quite a decent preview of the junior final this week!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blueannavy on October 08, 2011, 05:21:23 PM
Kingdom beat bridge by a point ! Any word on stone game ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 08, 2011, 05:29:56 PM
Longstone  0-10 vs 0-8 Rostrevor 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 08, 2011, 05:31:17 PM
wat way does that leave it at the bottom now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blueannavy on October 08, 2011, 05:33:22 PM
Cheers mdg ! What way does that leave the relegation spots now ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 08, 2011, 05:38:32 PM
Clonduff have to beat Burren in the one remaining game to aviod automatic relegation. If they dont Rostrevor will play Kingdom in relegation playoff. If Clonduff happen to beat Burren rostrevor will be automatically relegated and it will likely leave a playoff between Kingdom v Longstone, with Clonduff having better scoring average than Longstone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blueannavy on October 08, 2011, 05:55:25 PM
Burren could really disappoint the yellas in their last 2 games !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 08, 2011, 06:20:18 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 08, 2011, 05:38:32 PM
Clonduff have to beat Burren in the one remaining game to aviod automatic relegation. If they dont Rostrevor will play Kingdom in relegation playoff. If Clonduff happen to beat Burren rostrevor will be automatically relegated and it will likely leave a playoff between Kingdom v Longstone, with Clonduff having better scoring average than Longstone.
Does it not go head to head?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on October 08, 2011, 06:36:10 PM
Does the head to head fixtures apply - i see that ballymartin and clan na banna have same points but ballymartin have one point better scoring. Who joins annaclone in the playoff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 08, 2011, 06:40:57 PM
Division 3 Results
St Johns  2-10 2-12 Tullylish   
Atticall  - - St John Bosco     
Dundrum  1-5 1-15 Kilclief     
Mitchels  0-10 5-16 Glasdrumman   
Ardglass  3-12 3-8 Glenn 
Carryduff  v  Darragh Cross  - Tomorrow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 08, 2011, 06:48:53 PM
"Where teams finish on equal points, finishing positions shall be decided by the following means and in the order specified: (i) Where two Teams only are involved - the outcome of the meetings of the two teams in the previous games in the Competition i.e. the combined scores of the two games; (ii) Scoring Difference (Subtracting the total Scores Against from the total Scores For); (iii) Highest Total Score For; (iv) A Play-Off."

Regardless of score difference it will be Ballymartin and Annaclone in the relegation playoff. Clann na Banna have beaten Ballymartin twice in the League this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on October 08, 2011, 07:11:11 PM
Thanks DF. That will be tough on Johnny Mc Comiskey after managing Ballymartin for a few years!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 08, 2011, 07:13:22 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on October 08, 2011, 07:11:11 PM
Thanks DF. That will be tough on Johnny Mc Comiskey after managing Ballymartin for a few years!!

Id say it has been nearly 15 odd years since either Annaclone or Ballymartin have been in Division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on October 08, 2011, 07:21:57 PM
Thats an interesting situation at the wrong end of Division 1. Clonduff's fate depends on their game with Burren and if my memory serves me correctly Clonduff refused to applaude Burren on to the field after the latter's championship success last year breaking a respectful tradition.
It could make it a fiesty one. I expect Burren to win championship and Clonduff to beat them in the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on October 08, 2011, 07:23:48 PM
So if the yella's beat burren in the last game that leaves kingdom and rostrevor on 13 points.  As stated above that means Kingdom would go down automatically as rostrevor have taken 3 points of us this year.  Is this correct?  Harsh considering we have a better scoring difference albeit by only 1 point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weebob on October 08, 2011, 08:00:53 PM
(oglach) if thats right about the yellas not applauding burren on to the field this year, well id say thats all the burren management will need to tell the lads  and clonduff will be playing div 2 football next year , but i dont think they would even have to mention it .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 08, 2011, 08:42:37 PM
Longstone with worst score different will be staying up in Div one for another year.

1.   If Clonduff lose to Burren,
Play off; Rostevor v An Riocht
Div 2; Clonduff 

2.   If Clonduff drew,
Play off; Rostrevor v An Riocht
Div 2; Clonduff

Score difference come in operation.
Clonduff, Rostrevor and An Riocht all on 13 point but Clonduff go down to with poorest score difference.
.


3.   If Clonduff win
Div 2; An Riocht
Play off; Clonduff v Rostrevor


Clonduff finished level on 14 points with Longsone but with head to head. Longstone have better combine total score
Longstone 1.13 Clonduff  2.7
Clonduff 0.10 Longstone 1.6
Combine total Longstone 2.19 Clonduff 2.17

Rostrevor and An Riocht finished on 13 points, then head to head,
An Riocht 0.10 Rostrevor 0.10
Rostrevor 0.13  An Riocht 1.8
Combine total Rostrevor 0.23 An Riocht 1.18
0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on October 08, 2011, 08:48:29 PM
Cheers umpire.  Makes total sense now!!!!!! Total confusion on my behalf.  At the end of the day we could do with Burren beating clonduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: On The Side on October 08, 2011, 09:13:14 PM
maybe surprise that ballyhond and saval where almost safe a weeks ago?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 08, 2011, 09:57:51 PM
Quote from: On The Side on October 08, 2011, 09:13:14 PM
maybe surprise that ballyhond and saval where almost safe a weeks ago?
Why ?? both safe a month ago]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 08, 2011, 10:39:01 PM
looking forward to the JFC tomorrow. should be a tough close game and the previous meetings between both teams this season mean nothing, its die dog or st1t the licence time

want to wish the Bredagh boys all the best
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 09, 2011, 09:56:46 AM
Good luck Bredagh!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on October 09, 2011, 11:46:41 AM
all the teams involved in the relegation fight should have played yesterday irrespective of the county final. if that dident suit then none should have played!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 09, 2011, 02:24:46 PM
Quote from: extra time on October 09, 2011, 11:46:41 AM
all the teams involved in the relegation fight should have played yesterday irrespective of the county final. if that dident suit then none should have played!!
Very valid point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 09, 2011, 02:42:08 PM
ht in the minor, point 1 up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 09, 2011, 02:56:30 PM
kilcoo 1 up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 09, 2011, 03:00:30 PM
goal kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RGU08 on October 09, 2011, 03:26:14 PM
RGU 0-11 L'island 0-04 - Final Score RGU V Leitrim semi final play off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 09, 2011, 03:59:40 PM
MFC A Final
Kilcoo 1-12  Warrenpoint 0-10

Three in a row for the Magpies. Some achievement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on October 09, 2011, 04:01:00 PM
Congrats kilcoo minors I do believe that's 3 in a row. All we need nw is clonduff to get beat in there next 2 games and ill not consider it a successful season yet but a very happy ending
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 09, 2011, 06:01:03 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 09, 2011, 03:59:40 PM
MFC A Final
Kilcoo 1-12  Warrenpoint 0-10

Three in a row for the Magpies. Some achievement.

Brilliant achievement for our young lads today in winning the Collie Curran cup for the third time in succession. The Point gave us many problems and in Ciaran McCartan had a classy player.
Marty Devlin, Aaron Morgan, Daithi OHanlon, Nathan Smyth and Ryan Johnston all had great games with Darragh OHanlon giving a man of the match performance kicking 0-5.
Congratulations to all involved in a wonderful achievement and to the management team of Terry OHanlon, Kieran OHare and Kevin Kane.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 09, 2011, 06:06:04 PM
Junior Final

Bredagh 4-10 Dromara 0-9

Superb team performance from Bredagh with Donal Hughes outstanding scoring 3-3. A superb player and would be a great option for the county under 21s next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 09, 2011, 06:38:13 PM
bredagh won the jfc 4-10 to 0-9. Off to the bar for a few beers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on October 09, 2011, 07:05:56 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 09, 2011, 06:38:13 PM
bredagh won the jfc 4-10 to 0-9. Off to the bar for a few beers

Congrats to Bredagh, good luck in the ulster, hopefully use can do Down proud.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on October 09, 2011, 07:28:34 PM
Personally i think the relegation situation is a disgrace, shouldn't be coming down to head to head, its a complete joke. We had to play Rostrevor minus 4 county men and 2 county minors earlier in the year, while they were a full strength, what's fair in that? all the league games shud have been played and there is no rule in the rule book to allow teams more than 7 days for a championship game, county board leaving themselves wide open for appeals, Down County BOard need to take a good look at themselves, complete and utter joke!! Most dysfunctional, worst ran county board in Ireland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 09, 2011, 08:18:58 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on October 09, 2011, 07:28:34 PM
Personally i think the relegation situation is a disgrace, shouldn't be coming down to head to head, its a complete joke. We had to play Rostrevor minus 4 county men and 2 county minors earlier in the year, while they were a full strength, what's fair in that? all the league games shud have been played and there is no rule in the rule book to allow teams more than 7 days for a championship game, county board leaving themselves wide open for appeals, Down County BOard need to take a good look at themselves, complete and utter joke!! Most dysfunctional, worst ran county board in Ireland

To be fair Ned, I agree with you totally regarding the head to head results. If you are level on points, then play again and winner takes all. With regard to a team in the championship final, they are always going to look for a few days grace, particularly when they are both playing in the final. Any team going into a game needing to win to avoid relegation should only have one thing in mind, out and out win. There is no point in relying on favours or worrying about when or how other teams play their respective games.

An Riocht have had alot of injuries and boys away, but they didnt capitalise when they were all there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 09, 2011, 09:02:05 PM
Well done Bredagh but have to win the promotion play-off next week.

Ned- everybody knows the rules at the start of the league!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on October 09, 2011, 09:05:18 PM
There is a 7 day rule, why bend the rules for certain clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 09, 2011, 09:05:34 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 09, 2011, 09:02:05 PM
Well done Bredagh but have to win the promotion play-off next week.

Ned- everybody knows the rules at the start of the league!

How do you mean?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 09, 2011, 10:05:57 PM
I don't know what he means but when it comes to separating teams in the league the rules are set at the start of the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on October 10, 2011, 12:41:24 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 09, 2011, 06:01:03 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 09, 2011, 03:59:40 PM
MFC A Final
Kilcoo 1-12  Warrenpoint 0-10

Three in a row for the Magpies. Some achievement.

Brilliant achievement for our young lads today in winning the Collie Curran cup for the third time in succession. The Point gave us many problems and in Ciaran McCartan had a classy player.
Marty Devlin, Aaron Morgan, Daithi OHanlon, Nathan Smyth and Ryan Johnston all had great games with Darragh OHanlon giving a man of the match performance kicking 0-5.
Congratulations to all involved in a wonderful achievement and to the management team of Terry OHanlon, Kieran OHare and Kevin Kane.

MDG
With respect to you, i will admit that you are one of the most fairest posters on this website. your reports and views on down football give me and every follower on this website food for thought. BUT!!!!!!!!!!! I have to disagree with one of your for-mentioned players who had a good game. As a POINT man Thru & THRU we were bitterly diasapointed with the result and if goal chances came r way we would be celebrating a county championship but fair play to Kilcoo you were more clinical when you had the wind.But to say Ciaran McCartan gave you problems and that Ryan Johnston had a great game is a contradiction! Ciaran McCartan as you stated gave you massive problems that Ryan could not compete with, and IMO had a very poor game. DOH hit some fantastic scores in the 2nd half and was probably the difference. As a point man i think Ciaran McCartan gave Ryan a lesson in football. Our only problem was maybe we only had 1 Ciaran McCartan. Congrats to the Pies. 3 minor titles in a row is some achievement and you beat us in 2 of them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on October 10, 2011, 07:09:45 AM
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/124867/default.aspx

All knew it was coming, i wish him every success on his return to Colingwood Football Club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on October 10, 2011, 08:51:09 AM
Link within neds link. Good luck to him.

http://www.youtube.com/collingwoodctv#p/u/7/DJscgI3p0NI
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 10, 2011, 09:56:57 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 09, 2011, 09:02:05 PM
Well done Bredagh but have to win the promotion play-off next week.

Ned- everybody knows the rules at the start of the league!

The issue that Ned is trying to highlight,I presume is that the starred system is designed to offer some protection for clubs with county players.Throughout the year,these clubs have to play with weakened teams,as a result them providing players for our county.The playoff system allows them to play with their full complement in the do-or-die matches.The head to head comparison,is a much fairer way of seperating clubs than overall score difference.The weakness of the head to head system(though the same weakness applies to overall score difference) is that if those two clubs head to head encounter were starred games,the club with the greater number of county players is effectively disadvantaged.Longstone and An Ríocht both commit handsomely to the county cause,and though few will begrudge Longstone their deserved Div 1 survival(within the current rules),An Riocht can feel justifiably frustrated.These rules have been in place for 3 years now,and everybody was aware of it at the start of the year,with no formal objections,so CCC can not be blamed for applying the rules fairly.Though a playoff for the playoffs could be considered the fairest way of seperating such teams,the last thing we need is more unexpected,unpredictable fixtures at this busy time of year.
The positive aspect of the new league structure is that at least Div 1,2 and 4 will be finished up early.Even Division 3 may be finished earlier than expected if Kilclief can secure the automatic promotion slot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 10, 2011, 10:12:05 AM
Pity to see Martin go but good luck to him . Martin came home at a low time for Down and was one of the main reasons if not the main onethat we got to the All Ireland final . I listened all this year to people complaining about him because he was not as infuential as last year but yet he was the top scorer we had by a mile . Thanks Martin a joy to watch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on October 10, 2011, 10:37:32 AM
The positive aspect of the new league structure is that at least Div 1,2 and 4 will be finished up early.Even Division 3 may be finished earlier than expected if Kilclief can secure the automatic promotion slot

6th Sam
Division 3 will not be finished earlier than expected! Kilclief have 3 games in hand over teams around about them. They have 5 league games left, probably a league final, or at worst a playoff and then a league final, a championship final and if they win at least one Ulster game!! They have had an unbelievable year in both hurling and football and fair play to them especially having been relegated last year but their success has meant that teams like Carryduff and Tullylish are in a bit of limbo. Tullylish are 'top' of the third division all be it having played 3 more games. They have to play their remaining 2 games and will most likely win those. They then will have to wait until Kilclief overtake them and claim top spot. Given the amount of games Kilclief have to play this could take another 4/6 weeks!!! The County Board have got to take responsibility on this. This league should have started before divisions 1 & 2, and also the 3/4 week gap in July when there wasn't any fixtures was laughable. It seems that leagues especailly the third division a dragging out longer and longer each year. How can clubs such as Tullylish and Carryduff and to a lesser extent Kilclief (because of their sucess) keep their players motivated at the end of such a long season???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 10, 2011, 10:45:44 AM
No matter what way the County Board sets up the promotion and relegation rules, it always seems to affect An Riocht the worst. Or at least this always seems to be the case, judging by the varied cries of injustice emanating from Kilkeel over the past decade.

Personally I'd find it nice if the Kingdom folks even just once finished a season by saying "we were aware of the rules at the start" instead of calling foul at the end.

The bit they don't seem to understand up there is that every club in Division I gets hammered from time-to-time by county commitments, whether they are at senior, under-21 or minor level.  If you can't perform without your county players, you should maybe accept that relegation is a more accurate reflection of the club's current ability. Tough love, but true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 10, 2011, 10:57:46 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 10, 2011, 10:45:44 AM
No matter what way the County Board sets up the promotion and relegation rules, it always seems to affect An Riocht the worst. Or at least this always seems to be the case, judging by the varied cries of injustice emanating from Kilkeel over the past decade.

Personally I'd find it nice if the Kingdom folks even just once finished a season by saying "we were aware of the rules at the start" instead of calling foul at the end.

The bit they don't seem to understand up there is that every club in Division I gets hammered from time-to-time by county commitments, whether they are at senior, under-21 or minor level.  If you can't perform without your county players, you should maybe accept that relegation is a more accurate reflection of the club's current ability. Tough love, but true.

I agree. There was no crying from Ned after the first few games. Now their plight hits home and its the DCB's fault for having a set league structure in place. Maybe next year they will concentrate on trying to win games outright to secure their position.

As for div 3, it is a bit of a joke. A couple of years ago i remember promotion/relegation matches being played in late Nov/early Dec. I though this new league format was to resolve this. It is unfortunate that we are at this point again. I dont mind so much that such important games are going to be played in poor weather conditions but more the fact that for so many clubs they do not have the facilities for dark evening training sessions therefore their prep will be hampered.

Carryduff put in a strong performance against Darragh Cross yesterday. They are obviously a team who focus strongly on the art of defending, by far their best line on the pitch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 10, 2011, 11:33:43 AM
Quote from: True Blue on October 10, 2011, 12:41:24 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 09, 2011, 06:01:03 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 09, 2011, 03:59:40 PM
MFC A Final
Kilcoo 1-12  Warrenpoint 0-10

Three in a row for the Magpies. Some achievement.

Brilliant achievement for our young lads today in winning the Collie Curran cup for the third time in succession. The Point gave us many problems and in Ciaran McCartan had a classy player.
Marty Devlin, Aaron Morgan, Daithi OHanlon, Nathan Smyth and Ryan Johnston all had great games with Darragh OHanlon giving a man of the match performance kicking 0-5.
Congratulations to all involved in a wonderful achievement and to the management team of Terry OHanlon, Kieran OHare and Kevin Kane.

MDG
With respect to you, i will admit that you are one of the most fairest posters on this website. your reports and views on down football give me and every follower on this website food for thought. BUT!!!!!!!!!!! I have to disagree with one of your for-mentioned players who had a good game. As a POINT man Thru & THRU we were bitterly diasapointed with the result and if goal chances came r way we would be celebrating a county championship but fair play to Kilcoo you were more clinical when you had the wind.But to say Ciaran McCartan gave you problems and that Ryan Johnston had a great game is a contradiction! Ciaran McCartan as you stated gave you massive problems that Ryan could not compete with, and IMO had a very poor game. DOH hit some fantastic scores in the 2nd half and was probably the difference. As a point man i think Ciaran McCartan gave Ryan a lesson in football. Our only problem was maybe we only had 1 Ciaran McCartan. Congrats to the Pies. 3 minor titles in a row is some achievement and you beat us in 2 of them!
Ryan has had better games but was stil influential for us in the second half scoring 3 points from play. McCartan was brilliant for yous and got ther better of Ryan in the midfield exchanges but i wouldnt say he was very poor, 0-3 in the second half of a tight game is not bad for a midfielder and although his direct opponent was the points best player, he stil produced some good football when we needed him most.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on October 10, 2011, 01:09:54 PM
i think a few posters on here are missing a very important point. all the relegation related games in div 1 should have been played on sat at the same time. i,m not predicting the s.f.c result, but if burren win, then a meaningless league match to them agst clonduff wud be well down their list of priorities. Had they played last sat no way wud they want clonduff winning before their final meeting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 10, 2011, 01:19:27 PM
Or alternatively there is no way heavy favourites Burren would have risked injury to their key players in a rather meaningless (to them) league game against their SFC final opponents.

Extra time, what you're missing the point on is that a league is the tally of 18 games of activity. Hanging your season on the last result is a risk-laden strategy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 10, 2011, 01:23:53 PM
As a neutral at yesterdays game have to agree with MDG.  When Kilcoo needed him Johnston was there in the 2nd half.  Although young he needs to add some consistency to his game even at this level.  As was with St Colemans he seems to come in and out of games too much, when he is on he is very good but this maybe only happen 3 or 4 times a game.  As I said he is young and may develop on this.

O'Hanlon was very impressive, didnt realise he had the shooting prowess that he has, some wonderful point taking by him.  It will be interesting to see how he develops as he moves to seniors and whether he is seen as a half back or a half forward.  One of his big attributes is that he is a very strong and powerful runner at minor level and very hard to stop.  This may not be the case come senior level but he has still has the attributes to be a very fine footballer.

It is some achievement for Kilcoo to win 3 in a row but IMO if they dont get at least 6 players out of these 3 teams who are seen as front line players for their senior team over the next few years then this will all be wasted.  Underage football is about development IMO and  I would hope to see for Down's sake if not Kilcoo's, some of these boys kicking on and becoming established senior footballers.  There has been a lot of wasted underage talent in Rostrevor, Kingdom and clonduff over the years, lets hope Kilcoo are more like the bridge in how they developed their great underage teams.

As for the point the lad McCartan is a gem and l have no doubt if he keeps his head right will go on to become a down senior player.  If Warrenpoint can get 2 or 3 players out of this team then it is a job well done.  A club like theirs shouldnt  be languising at the bottom of division 2 and hopefully this team can give the club a lift and help towards putting an end to some of the in fighting that appears to be going on.

Finally, Ned quite ur winging.  Sure you had John Clarke and Colgen from June onwards so how many games did these fellas actually miss in the league,4/5?  Even when yas got these players back your form was very suspect so like Wobbler said you need to take a look at yourselves before the county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 10, 2011, 01:25:00 PM
Wobbler, to an extent I have sympathy with the kingdom and extra-time on this one, maybe not so much the head to head issue but certainly the fact all final league games (of significance) were not played on the same day, this to me is absolutely astonishing! The advantage it gives Clonduff is crazy. Out of interest why was the game put off? Are clubs actually allowed a weeks grace before championship? Interesting to hear Supersubs opinion from the Rostrevor camp??

I know the ford played friday night but that was meaningless.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 10, 2011, 01:30:57 PM
Quote from: extra time on October 10, 2011, 01:09:54 PM
i think a few posters on here are missing a very important point. all the relegation related games in div 1 should have been played on sat at the same time. i,m not predicting the s.f.c result, but if burren win, then a meaningless league match to them agst clonduff wud be well down their list of priorities. Had they played last sat no way wud they want clonduff winning before their final meeting.

Burren put out a "2nd string" team against Longstone and would be  likely to put out an even weaker side against Clonduff if they had to play them pre championship.  Would you really want to put your full team out against your championship opponents a wk before playing them??  Kingdom should be happier they are playing them post championship.

I dont fully understand the advantage this gives Clonduff.  They would have known they most likely needed to win the game anyway so what is the issue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on October 10, 2011, 01:43:22 PM
advantage or no advantage, 18 game league, 7 game league (nat lge), 38 game lge (epl), 46 game lge(eng championship), all the last round games played same day, same time. In our case the games with decisions pending should be played at the same time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 10, 2011, 01:45:05 PM
WGM, it's mostly a case of people looking for someone to blame other than their players.

The 18th league game is no more or less important than any of the other 17, which tend to get chopped in around championship matches, cemetery masses and weddings, and even stag dos.

If anything, given that the 18th match happens when a lot of teams have given up the ghost, it's the biggest lottery of any of the series.


One of the things that these last few threads highlights to me is the unusually high stock we have for league football in Down. In many counties, league football isn't just second best to Championship ball, it's of little importance at all. It's just something you do until the Championship comes around.

Like most Down football fans, I get tremendous enjoyment out of our leagues, but that is largely because the system of starred games and play-off deciders, together with Championship rankings, helps ensure that is played out quickly (most of the time), and competitively. When clubs and members start giving off about how these structures are against them, it does point to a thankless task for the county board.



 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 10, 2011, 01:47:53 PM
extra time, in soccer, their league is the premier competition, and ultimately dictates the success of a club's season.

In our game, the Championship is master. If you try to make the league a master as well, then you cause more problems than you solve.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on October 10, 2011, 02:28:51 PM
i,ve been around long enough to appreciate the importance of the senior championship, but all i,m looking for is a fair finish to the league. after all a lot of hard work is put in all year and 1st div survival is so important.Its easy to talk about earlier games being as important, and they are , but this is where we find ourselves now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 10, 2011, 05:15:28 PM
I personally think that the July break has been the main contribution to the problem with fixtures over the past few years. Especially this year, there was a break of nearly 4 weeks. Don't get me wrong I know that every one needs a holiday and time away from football, but is there really a need for such a long break? Fixtures seem to turn to mayhem after the break, that is the situation with Division 3 at the moment any way. Anyone else agree?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 10, 2011, 06:02:57 PM
Why was there a four week break though? Was it not because of Down's involvement rather than a scheduled break.

The biggest problems most years are between forced postponements (funerals, weather related, abandonments) that don't get rescheduled immediately, and then teams being unable to play league fixtures due to championship commitments.

It would appear that our fixtures secretary forgot that D3 had an extra four fixtures when doing his master schedule, and instead of rectifying this early in the season, it was let run on and on.  There seems to be a unusually large number of postponements though this season.

Being a fixtures secretary wouldn't be much fun, but a zero tolerance policy on scheduling and forcing refixtures is the only way to get a league through. Last year, we were forced to forfeit home advantage and played a midweek game at Mayobridge to get the leagues finished on time. I've no idea why that hasn't happened this year.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 10, 2011, 06:53:20 PM
The last 4 weeks set of fixtures were never allocated for div 3 at the start of the season. It really does beggar belief, I think they got as far as round 17 and that was that. In previous seasons when the july holidays came, a set of fixtures would have been played on the thursday before the holidays, then a week off, then another round of fixtures the following weekend. You still have a 2 week break but you have games at the start of the holiday period and at the end, usually we only have 1 weekend off but this year we had 3.

I accept that mistakes can be made, but I would hope that the same mistakes are rectified for next season. I can remember Ardglass playing a playoff game against Glenn the day before Down minors beat Mayo in the All Ireland. I think this is an ideal time to have the leagues wrapped up, it should also give the Down teams that qualify for Ulster time to concentrate soley on these competitions.

When you consider that half of the teams in Down only play one championship game per year, it shouldnt lead to chaos like it has this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 10, 2011, 07:55:04 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 10, 2011, 06:53:20 PM
When you consider that half of the teams in Down only play one championship game per year, it shouldnt lead to chaos like it has this year.

Why?

How does that change things?


Its the slowest animal in the herd that sets the pace.


Unless you advocate (a) some teams finishing their league program far in advance of others or(b) playing the entire league before a ball is kicked in the championship (with a corresponding move of the league start forwards in the year and very early finish to the year for the majority).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 10, 2011, 08:10:03 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 10, 2011, 01:25:00 PM
Wobbler, to an extent I have sympathy with the kingdom and extra-time on this one, maybe not so much the head to head issue but certainly the fact all final league games (of significance) were not played on the same day, this to me is absolutely astonishing! The advantage it gives Clonduff is crazy. Out of interest why was the game put off? Are clubs actually allowed a weeks grace before championship? Interesting to hear Supersubs opinion from the Rostrevor camp??

I know the ford played friday night but that was meaningless.

I do agree that it is extraordinary not playing the final round of games at the same time especially when the game that wasn't played is probably the most important as a team involved can still be automatically relegated. Having said that I do not hold anything against the CB or otherwise for this, simply put you are in the position for a reason and that is because you haven't accumulated enough points over the previous 17 games to stay clear, thus bringing about the conclusion that the team simply hasn't been good enough over the year. I believe this is the case with us, just too many games got away, a classic case being the game v clonduff last week! However it is the first time in a while we have been involved in such a situation and teams who are regularly finishing in the bottom few have to look at themselves and ask are they equipped for div 1, county players or not, because that is in reality what it comes down to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 11, 2011, 01:24:57 PM
Could someone confirm the times for the intermediate and senior finals for saturday evening please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 11, 2011, 01:30:11 PM
ballymartin v kilclief is at 5.00. clonduff v burren throws in at 7.00
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 12, 2011, 09:05:24 AM
Anyone else not a fan of having the county final on a Saturday night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 12, 2011, 11:32:52 AM
Quote from: amallon on October 12, 2011, 09:05:24 AM
Anyone else not a fan of having the county final on a Saturday night?

Dont like it one bit. Not a fan of playing under lights also, county final on a Sunday has always been the way and i think it shouldnt be changed. Half of the Down championship was played under lights this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 12, 2011, 01:10:53 PM
Dont like it either, think its hard on the players as well, waiting around all day can be difficult when you know whats coming that night.

On another note has anyone else heard that Jamie O'Reilly is home as was posted on the main thread.  Dont remember that much of him before he went to Oz, would I be right in saying he is the same type of player as Maginn, ie a ball winning half foward.  Could be a big help if he is with Marty away we could be short in the half foward line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 12, 2011, 01:30:44 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 12, 2011, 01:10:53 PM
Dont like it either, think its hard on the players as well, waiting around all day can be difficult when you know whats coming that night.

On another note has anyone else heard that Jamie O'Reilly is home as was posted on the main thread.  Dont remember that much of him before he went to Oz, would I be right in saying he is the same type of player as Maginn, ie a ball winning half foward.  Could be a big help if he is with Marty away we could be short in the half foward line.

Was always in and around Minor and U-21 squads. Great ball runner and he's bulked up since returning from Oz. Played for the Island aganst RGU on Sunday.

A welcome boost for Down GAA as Jamie O'Reilly returns home from AFL side Richmond Tigers.

The Mourne County have been hamstrung by the double departure to Oz Rules of Marty Clarke and Caolan Mooney but O'Reilly - who played senior football for Down in 2009 - has given James McCartan a fillip by returning to challenge for a place in the county team.

The Loughinisland clubman broke off preliminary contract discussions with the Tigers to return to finish his business Degree at Queen's University.

Former Down U21 O'Reilly lined out in a club game for Loughinisland last weekend. He played as a running defender in Australia and his scorching pace would be a big addition to the Mourne County senior set-up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 12, 2011, 02:10:31 PM
Bredagh play Drumaness in the playoff this weekend.
I also see there is a match scheduled between the Fin and Aghaderg, is there a particular reason for this fixture going ahead and no others?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on October 12, 2011, 02:17:30 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 12, 2011, 01:10:53 PM
Dont like it either, think its hard on the players as well, waiting around all day can be difficult when you know whats coming that night.

On another note has anyone else heard that Jamie O'Reilly is home as was posted on the main thread.  Dont remember that much of him before he went to Oz, would I be right in saying he is the same type of player as Maginn, ie a ball winning half foward.  Could be a big help if he is with Marty away we could be short in the half foward line.

I wouldn't liken the two players at all tbh. Maginn is a man that wins break balls and sprays passes. Jamie is a ball carrier. His stride and sheer pace with the ball was almost unstoppable. He was quicker with the ball than without. Having said that, he has bulked up i am sure, so would be interesting what kind of game he has now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 12, 2011, 02:59:26 PM
Personally I feel lights creates a better atmosphere, I dont know why but it just seems to do! The 5 o clock throw in time for Ballymartin v Kilclief is a crazy time for a game in Newry on a saturday, traffic will be ridiculous going in, would it not have been better to have that game as a double header with Bredagh v Dromara last week in Newcastle??? Surely would have attracted a bigger crowd?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 12, 2011, 04:17:02 PM
Lads anyone fancy taking a stab at the team of this years down championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 12, 2011, 08:02:30 PM
Interesting derby game in div 3 between St Johns and Dundrum at the weekend. Impossible to call, St Johns beat Carryduff in the IFC and Dundrum are the most unpredictable team in the county. Both teams are running out of games in order to escape from the relegation zone and if St Johns win it will likely be these 2 teams competing in the relegation playoff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 12, 2011, 09:02:44 PM
Ardtole when ardglass had their full quota of players fresh for games what was your record approximately?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 12, 2011, 09:25:33 PM
I doubt we played a single game this year with a full strength team, when you get off to such a bad start to the season as we did its hard to get players to train and show interest. Philly Gill has come home from London recently and has made a huge difference to our defence, he was playing wing back for Tir Connail Gaels for the best part of 2 seasons so he a stand out player in div 3. If you were looking at our season from outside it looks disasterous but we have brought quite a few young players through and they are really starting to find their feet. Christian Connor, Shane Teggart, Owen and Ryan Curran, David Pullen and John Polly have featured strongly this year and are improving week after week. I expect us to avoid the relegation play-offs and compete a lot stronger next year.
I actually think Div 3 is quite poor this year, maybe the effects of emmigration on all the teams as a whole is telling but compared to 5 years ago I think Glassdrumman, Atticall, Carryduff, Ardglass, Dundrum and  Darragh Cross were all a lot stronger a few years ago
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Post by: DownFanatic on October 12, 2011, 10:33:19 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 12, 2011, 08:02:30 PM
Interesting derby game in div 3 between St Johns and Dundrum at the weekend. Impossible to call, St Johns beat Carryduff in the IFC and Dundrum are the most unpredictable team in the county. Both teams are running out of games in order to escape from the relegation zone and if St Johns win it will likely be these 2 teams competing in the relegation playoff.

Ardtole, St Johns beat Glasdrumman in the IFC 1st round. It was Dundrum who beat Carryduff after a replay.

If we can beat St Johns and beat yourselves by more than 3 points and you's only pick up one win out of your last four games then we will avoid the playoffs and it will be yourselves and St Johns in them. That's a massive 'IF' though.

Ive always said it: If Ardglass didn't have soccer dominating the village scene then they would be a comfortable mid table Division 2 team who would be challenging for Intermediate Championships on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 13, 2011, 09:40:04 AM
We were in the playoffs for promotion 5 years out of 7, 4 under Peter O'Shea and once under Kyran Smyth. We should have came out on top against Banbridge one year, we hit the post in last minute and were beat by a point, drew with Carryduff another year when we were well on top, beat by a point against Glenn another year, we had a good few battles with Darragh Cross at the start of that period as well. A few hard luck stories but you could argue you make your own luck. Anyway we have a new team now, which I think is coming together bit by bit, I think we will do enough to stay clear of relegation and we could be a stronger proposition next year. Tomorrow nights game against Tullylish will give us an idea of any signs of improvement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 13, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
Quote from: outinfront on October 12, 2011, 02:10:31 PM
Bredagh play Drumaness in the playoff this weekend.
I also see there is a match scheduled between the Fin and Aghaderg, is there a particular reason for this fixture going ahead and no others?

OIF, thats the biggie for us, and IMHO more important than the JFC. we need the competitive nature of div 3 football to improve as a team, so fingers crossed we will be out of div 4 come Saturday evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on October 14, 2011, 10:31:20 AM
Well folks, what are your predictions for the finals tomorrow?

I am going to go with Kilclief by a couple of points and Burren by 5!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 15, 2011, 02:36:05 PM
Ardglass well beat last night in Tullylish, 3 goals conceded in first 15 minutes killed the game. St Johns and Dundrum today a key game for the teams at the wrong end of Div 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 15, 2011, 02:38:50 PM
If Ricky Kerr is fit to play I strongly fancy Kilclief. In the sfc final I have a feeling Clonduff could get the better of Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 15, 2011, 06:04:45 PM
15 minutes left. Ricky Kerr on now for Kilclief. Kilclief 1-06  Ballymartin 0-07 IFC Final.

Full time: IFC Final: Kilclief 1-09  Ballymartin 0-09

Well done to Kilclief. Brilliant achievement. They have now done the IHC and IFC double.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 15, 2011, 06:23:07 PM
Delighted for kilclief been knocking around the top end of the intermediate scence for best part of 12 years. Congratulations.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 15, 2011, 06:23:30 PM
Delighted for Kilclief. There's a squad of them who've been together for a decade or more and this is richly deserved.

No.1 won't be making much sense for a few days.

Their Ulster campaign is going to play havoc with D3 though :)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 15, 2011, 06:31:24 PM
Drumaness beat Bredagh 2-10 to 1-10 to gain promotion out of Division 4 leaving the JFC champions in the bottom tier for 2012.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 15, 2011, 07:00:31 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 15, 2011, 06:31:24 PM
Drumaness beat Bredagh 2-10 to 1-10 to gain promotion out of Division 4 leaving the JFC champions in the bottom tier for 2012.

:( Gutted to be honest, went into the second half 10 down but couldnt get that final score to equalise. rather be in div 3 than Ulster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 15, 2011, 07:19:14 PM
Well done Kilclief...enjoy the pints No 1...hard luck Ballymartin....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on October 15, 2011, 07:34:03 PM
For exiles without twitter

Morgan Milk Senior Football Championship Final Burren 0-6 Clonduff 0-2 Kevin McKernan score 28 mins gone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 15, 2011, 07:40:02 PM
Thanks BC...not an exile but no twitter...keep er lit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 15, 2011, 08:11:43 PM
Any updates on this game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on October 15, 2011, 08:12:47 PM
Morgan Milk Senior Football Championship Final 2nd half Burren 0-11 Clonduff 1-3 17 mins gone Anton McArdle from play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on October 15, 2011, 08:13:58 PM
Morgan Milk Senior Football Championship Final 2nd half : Burren 1-11 Clonduff 1-3 22 mins gone Sean Murdock goal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on October 15, 2011, 08:15:34 PM
Down SFC Final - Burren 2-11 Clonduff 1-3 - Donal O'Hare goal

back to the 80s  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 15, 2011, 08:16:16 PM
Cheers, Burren to make a real push this year in the Ulster club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on October 15, 2011, 08:17:54 PM
Yerra Milltown  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 15, 2011, 08:19:21 PM
They should do so milltown. They're the kind of big, solid team that should enjoy winter football, have now developed 3 scoring forwards in McGovern, O'Hare and Murdock, and having won the Down title last year, will probably come off the field tonight thinking about their next opponents instead of a feed of stout.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on October 15, 2011, 08:19:35 PM
Morgan Milk Senior Football Championship Final 2nd half : Burren 2-13 Clonduff 1-3 28 mins gone; Donal O'Hare from play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on October 15, 2011, 08:23:46 PM
Morgan Milk Senior Football Championship Final 2nd half : Burren 2-14 Clonduff 1-3 Cathal Murdock from free
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on October 15, 2011, 08:28:06 PM
5 goals will win this for Clonduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 15, 2011, 08:30:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 15, 2011, 08:19:21 PM
They should do so milltown. They're the kind of big, solid team that should enjoy winter football, have now developed 3 scoring forwards in McGovern, O'Hare and Murdock, and having won the Down title last year, will probably come off the field tonight thinking about their next opponents instead of a feed of stout.

At 6/1 before tonight they have a good as chance as Cross and ourselves and the other champions. They played well against Cross last year and will have come on from that game. Frank will have them well drill thats for sure
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 15, 2011, 08:31:34 PM
Congrats to our nearest and dearest. Here's hoping you can end our county's barren spell in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 15, 2011, 08:34:02 PM
They're a better team than last year Milltown. They're turning into strong men instead of big boys, iv you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on October 15, 2011, 08:35:01 PM
You cant beat breeding, Remarkable how many sons of 80s team on this Burren side. Hope they can kick on now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 15, 2011, 08:46:42 PM
They've also a 5-in-a-row U-21 side filtering through at the moment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 15, 2011, 08:52:50 PM
Any Cross spies down at the game lads?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on October 15, 2011, 09:37:31 PM
congrats to Kilclief and Burren on winning deservedly tonight,the better teams won both matches,but for me the plaudits go to the East Down men on a remarkable year(so far)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on October 15, 2011, 09:48:38 PM
Apart from Arthur Mc Conville's goal, Burren really weren't tested tonight. For Clonduff to make any impression , they needed good early ball into Connor O'Hagan and Jason Brown, and that's exactly what they did for their first two points. However, Burren snuffed them out- while Daniel wouldn't win a race against them, his positional sense is second to none.Jason didn't have his shooting boots with him and the yellas needed those frees to keep in touch. Mc Kernan was the class act on show- his two points before half tiime were superb and he was always available as a link-man- he has some engine.Mc Ardle is still raw but gets through a lot of work and took a lot of abuse. I don't know who got MOM- possible Donal O'Hare who is fast and has loads of tricks in addition to his free-taking. However, my MOM was Sean Murdoch- won all the dirty ball,had balls and brains and is the sort of player Clonduff didn't have. People are right about the breedin- this team is fit and hungry and should give Ulster a rattle .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 15, 2011, 10:36:28 PM
Did eoin mc cartan get any game time today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on October 15, 2011, 11:00:32 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on October 15, 2011, 08:35:01 PM
You cant beat breeding, Remarkable how many sons of 80s team on this Burren side. Hope they can kick on now.

i wouldn't say there was to many since the transfer window opened in burren  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 15, 2011, 11:13:35 PM
No-one should begrudge Burren their win- they destroyed Clonduff for the last 29 minutes.They hunt in packs, led by Mc Kernan, and retain their composure under pressure. Mc Conville's goal, straight from the throw-in at the start of the second half, was a clinker , but Clonduff just didn't have the fire-power to push on.Mc Cartan was on for the last 10- caught a great ball to set up a goal.
Bridge fan, all the top men for Burren were sons of their das- maybe hard for you to take, but true.

Kilclief showed that hunger wins tight championship games- some big names for Ballymartin just didn't turn up- fair play to the Ben Dearg men.

The floodlights added something to it for me. The 66 page programme was a super effort and having seen all 4 finals, County Board deserve credit for the organisation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 15, 2011, 11:16:57 PM
Wasn't in favour of night games when they first came out but I think they bring a different atmosphere to Championship games now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on October 16, 2011, 12:52:24 AM
well done St. Marys-12th title in 30 years

Frank Dawson due all credit however-to end burrens barren spell is one thing,to win 2 in a row is a credit to the man!

Also credit due to Kilclief -now a senior club-congratulations!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on October 16, 2011, 01:14:16 AM
Quote from: MK on October 16, 2011, 12:52:24 AM
well done St. Marys-12th title in 30 years

Frank Dawson due all credit however-to end burrens barren spell is one thing,to win 2 in a row is a credit to the man!

Also credit due to Kilclief -now a senior club-congratulations!!

Was it really anything to do with Frank Dawson though.  He inherited a team that had just won 4 county u21 titles and one ulster club title. it was always gonna happen for burren - think homer simpson could have managed them to the championship to be honest.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 16, 2011, 03:36:33 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on October 16, 2011, 01:14:16 AM
Quote from: MK on October 16, 2011, 12:52:24 AM
well done St. Marys-12th title in 30 years

Frank Dawson due all credit however-to end burrens barren spell is one thing,to win 2 in a row is a credit to the man!

Also credit due to Kilclief -now a senior club-congratulations!!

Was it really anything to do with Frank Dawson though.  He inherited a team that had just won 4 county u21 titles and one ulster club title. it was always gonna happen for burren - think homer simpson could have managed them to the championship to be honest.....

+1

It doesn't matter who is managing this current group of players, their attitude and determination to succeed is second to none!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 16, 2011, 09:24:01 AM
I disagree. Although there was obvious talent coming through in Burren, Frank came in after 3 years of failure from Damian Barton and made these Burren players believe in themselves and got their best 15 on the pitch. He didnt stay loyal to older lads, he took his chance with young lads and they have done the business winning back to back titles. Last nights first 15 where all under 24 years old, apart from Dan McCartan (29), Ciaran McGovern (28) and James McGovern (26).
I no if we had a Frank Dawson in charge of us we would have fared better in the last two championships, very positive manager and is tactically aware in making changes and setting up his team formation.
On the game itself last night, Burren where the far supperior team throughout and Clonduff never looked up to winning it. They where disapointing and never reached the same level of performance that they produced against us.
Kevin McKernan deservedly won the man of the match award, class act. Another who ran him close imo was player of the champoinship Donal OHare.
Congratulations to Burren, best of luck in Ulster.

Burrens team and scorers: 1 C Murdock 0-1, 2 Ryan McGovern, 3 Dan McCartan, 4 David McEntee 5 Gerard McCartan, 6 Ciaran McGovern, 7 Kevin McKernan 0-2, 8 Conor Toner, 9 Anton McArdle 0-1, 10 Conal McGovern 0-1, 11 Sean Murdock 1-0 12 Eamon Toner, 13 Donal OHare 1-5, 14 James McGovern 0-3, 15 Shea McArdle 0-1. Subs Used: Eoin McCartan, Paudie Poland, Pauric ORourke, Ciaran Byrne and Alan Higgins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 16, 2011, 09:34:41 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 15, 2011, 10:36:28 PM
Did eoin mc cartan get any game time today?

He got 15 minutes at the end.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on October 16, 2011, 10:00:07 AM
Is that the end of ASK in the senior championship?    Or maybe they could become ARD and the D could b Drumaness??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 16, 2011, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on October 16, 2011, 10:00:07 AM
Is that the end of ASK in the senior championship?    Or maybe they could become ARD and the D could b Drumaness??
Drumaness are now division 3 so don't think be allowed. Shows the difference in standard that our intermediate champions plus the pick of two other sides still a notch or two below in Down terms a middle of the run senior side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 16, 2011, 04:15:50 PM
St Johns beat Dundrum by a point in a crunch Division 3 game this afternoon in Drumnaquoile.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 16, 2011, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 16, 2011, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on October 16, 2011, 10:00:07 AM
Is that the end of ASK in the senior championship?    Or maybe they could become ARD and the D could b Drumaness??
Drumaness are now division 3 so don't think be allowed. Shows the difference in standard that our intermediate champions plus the pick of two other sides still a notch or two below in Down terms a middle of the run senior side.

I think it has to be two division 3 teams and a division 4 team. Bright could join Ardglass and Saul but I doubt it would happen. If Carryduff dont get promoted the strongest combination I can think of would be Bredagh, Carryduff and Darragh Cross. There is a signifigant gap between senior and intermediate but I think that North Down combination would be the strongest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weebob on October 16, 2011, 05:18:39 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on October 15, 2011, 11:00:32 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on October 15, 2011, 08:35:01 PM
You cant beat breeding, Remarkable how many sons of 80s team on this Burren side. Hope they can kick on now.
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i wouldn't say there was to many since the transfer window opened in burren  ;) ;) only the bridge got kevin o rourke  transfered BURREN WOULD OF BEAT THEM BY 11 POINTS INSTEAD OFF 3 . GLASS HOUSES BRIDGEFAN  . CONGRATS LADS YOUS DID THE CLUB PROUD  :-*   
GOOD LUCK IN ULSTER
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: LeoMc on October 16, 2011, 06:17:01 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 16, 2011, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 16, 2011, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on October 16, 2011, 10:00:07 AM
Is that the end of ASK in the senior championship?    Or maybe they could become ARD and the D could b Drumaness??
Drumaness are now division 3 so don't think be allowed. Shows the difference in standard that our intermediate champions plus the pick of two other sides still a notch or two below in Down terms a middle of the run senior side.

I think it has to be two division 3 teams and a division 4 team. Bright could join Ardglass and Saul but I doubt it would happen. If Carryduff dont get promoted the strongest combination I can think of would be Bredagh, Carryduff and Darragh Cross. There is a signifigant gap between senior and intermediate but I think that North Down combination would be the strongest.

Is that like regional amalgamations in the Senior championship as in Kerry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 16, 2011, 06:51:32 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 16, 2011, 06:17:01 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 16, 2011, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 16, 2011, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on October 16, 2011, 10:00:07 AM
Is that the end of ASK in the senior championship?    Or maybe they could become ARD and the D could b Drumaness??
Drumaness are now division 3 so don't think be allowed. Shows the difference in standard that our intermediate champions plus the pick of two other sides still a notch or two below in Down terms a middle of the run senior side.

I think it has to be two division 3 teams and a division 4 team. Bright could join Ardglass and Saul but I doubt it would happen. If Carryduff dont get promoted the strongest combination I can think of would be Bredagh, Carryduff and Darragh Cross. There is a signifigant gap between senior and intermediate but I think that North Down combination would be the strongest.

Is that like regional amalgamations in the Senior championship as in Kerry?

This year an amalgamated team consisting of Kilclief, Ardglass and Saul entered the Down SFC. All three are geographically beside each other with Kilclief and Ardglass in Division 3 of the Down Leagues and Saul in Division 4. Kilclief and Ardglass also played in the Intermediate Championship with Kilclief winning it and Saul played in the Junior Championship.

The amalgamation were defeated in the preliminary round of the Down SFC by Longstone who pulled up with something to spare. Longstone went on to make little impression in the SFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2011, 07:22:54 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on October 16, 2011, 01:14:16 AM
Quote from: MK on October 16, 2011, 12:52:24 AM
well done St. Marys-12th title in 30 years

Frank Dawson due all credit however-to end burrens barren spell is one thing,to win 2 in a row is a credit to the man!

Also credit due to Kilclief -now a senior club-congratulations!!

Was it really anything to do with Frank Dawson though.  He inherited a team that had just won 4 county u21 titles and one ulster club title. it was always gonna happen for burren - think homer simpson could have managed them to the championship to be honest.....

Being very unfair on Frank, you can have the best players in the county but no direction, winning 2 in a row and playing well in the Ulster club last year shows he has good managerial skills.

Try it sometime
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 45 on October 16, 2011, 08:38:33 PM
I'd say that is unfair on longstone gave burren plenty to think about and pushed them the whole way over two games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on October 16, 2011, 09:56:39 PM
Was it really anything to do with Frank Dawson though.  He inherited a team that had just won 4 county u21 titles and one ulster club title. it was always gonna happen for burren - think homer simpson could have managed them to the championship to be honest.....
Being very unfair on Frank, you can have the best players in the county but no direction, winning 2 in a row and playing well in the Ulster club last year shows he has good managerial skills.

Try it sometime
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Good managerial skills - he took clonduff when they were on the verge of a breakthrough as they had won 3 minor titles in the mid nineties and were just primed in 2000 to win the title.  burren are in the same situation with talent coming through.  Take a team with limited resources and no winning panels coming through and see how good his managerial skills are - He took the stone and won shag all... Staying in the division means nothing - thats a must - winning silverware is the key and at an average club with no conveyor belt - he couldn do that.  Credit to the Kilclief management panel and backroom team - beat a heavily tipped Ballymartin side and have limited resources at thie club in terms of players.  Ballymartin were very poor.  Peter Fitzpatrick was well snuffed out of the game and at times he looked like he was already on the plane to Australia... Ryan O'Hare is all punch the air, scream and jump when he scores - his workrate is shite tho when his team dont have the ball.. Also has a bit of an attitude when his team mates dont give him the ball exactly in the centre of his chest and he maybe has to work for it... heaven forbid.  I know if he wree at a club like burren or Kilcoo - that attitude wouldn last or he would get his ears well and truly tucked in for him....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2011, 10:31:06 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on October 16, 2011, 09:56:39 PM
Was it really anything to do with Frank Dawson though.  He inherited a team that had just won 4 county u21 titles and one ulster club title. it was always gonna happen for burren - think homer simpson could have managed them to the championship to be honest.....
Being very unfair on Frank, you can have the best players in the county but no direction, winning 2 in a row and playing well in the Ulster club last year shows he has good managerial skills.

Try it sometime

Good managerial skills - he took clonduff when they were on the verge of a breakthrough as they had won 3 minor titles in the mid nineties and were just primed in 2000 to win the title.  burren are in the same situation with talent coming through.  Take a team with limited resources and no winning panels coming through and see how good his managerial skills are - He took the stone and won shag all... Staying in the division means nothing - thats a must - winning silverware is the key and at an average club with no conveyor belt - he couldn do that.  Credit to the Kilclief management panel and backroom team - beat a heavily tipped Ballymartin side and have limited resources at thie club in terms of players.  Ballymartin were very poor.  Peter Fitzpatrick was well snuffed out of the game and at times he looked like he was already on the plane to Australia... Ryan O'Hare is all punch the air, scream and jump when he scores - his workrate is shite tho when his team dont have the ball.. Also has a bit of an attitude when his team mates dont give him the ball exactly in the centre of his chest and he maybe has to work for it... heaven forbid.  I know if he wree at a club like burren or Kilcoo - that attitude wouldn last or he would get his ears well and truly tucked in for him....
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Digging a hole for youself here, he has managed them to two county finals!! What have they won prior to the great Burren teams of the past? Ya can't win all the games as a manager. Why didn't Burren ask a club man to take the team if they needed just a front man? Would have been a lot cheaper
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 16, 2011, 10:31:49 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on October 16, 2011, 09:56:39 PM
Was it really anything to do with Frank Dawson though.  He inherited a team that had just won 4 county u21 titles and one ulster club title. it was always gonna happen for burren - think homer simpson could have managed them to the championship to be honest.....
Being very unfair on Frank, you can have the best players in the county but no direction, winning 2 in a row and playing well in the Ulster club last year shows he has good managerial skills.

Try it sometime

Good managerial skills - he took clonduff when they were on the verge of a breakthrough as they had won 3 minor titles in the mid nineties and were just primed in 2000 to win the title.  burren are in the same situation with talent coming through.  Take a team with limited resources and no winning panels coming through and see how good his managerial skills are - He took the stone and won shag all... Staying in the division means nothing - thats a must - winning silverware is the key and at an average club with no conveyor belt - he couldn do that.
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He took the Stone to a SFC final which they lost to Mayobridge after a replay.  He won the double with Clonduff, they haven't won much since.  His record at club level is up there with anyone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 17, 2011, 10:05:21 AM
People, dont get sucked into a debate with pauly2 who is quite clearly NOT from Castlewellan but actually a disaffected member of the Burren club who is jealous of the success Frank has brought to his club.

Iv said before here on numerous occassions that Frank Dawson is the real deal and proved it again on Saturday evening, what has annoyed me was the fact he wasnt considered for a role in our senior county set up, a man who would have been clearly cheaper and doing it for the right reasons.

The sooner men like Frank Dawson are in place within our county set-up the better. Someone mentioned his club record in Down up there with the best of them, who's is better?? Certainly not Mc Carten or O Rourke!

Clonduff - championship winners/league winners
Longstone - Championship runners up/league runners up/ all ireland sevens winners.
Burren - Championship winners / league runners up
           Championship winners / possible league winners

Dont buy into this nonsense of the players were already there, good players were there for Mc Carten and Barton too and they did fxxk all. Well done Frank, heres hoping you can add Ulster to the ever growing list of success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 17, 2011, 01:16:43 PM
Whatever about Bartons time with Burren I would suggest your being a bit harsh regarding McCartans time in charge.  The year before he came in Burren were on their knees in the relegation playoffs very close to facing humiliation.  He came in and took them to a championship final and league title in his first year.  I would also argue that the current group of players Burren have are a lot better than the team he had inherited.

Having said that Dawson deserves a lot of credit for taking a team that had potential over the finishing line.  Winning back to back takes a lot of motivation and dedication to go along with skill and he must have a lot to do with that.  If James finishes up this year then he would have to be considered a contender for the job given his record.   What I would also say that he is a very single minded man and may not be best suited to a role of selector with a county team, I just couldnt see him and james personalities mixing very well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 17, 2011, 01:59:38 PM
By far the most measured comments on the debate so far WGM. Couldn't disagree with ony of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on October 17, 2011, 06:24:09 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 16, 2011, 06:51:32 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 16, 2011, 06:17:01 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 16, 2011, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 16, 2011, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on October 16, 2011, 10:00:07 AM
Is that the end of ASK in the senior championship?    Or maybe they could become ARD and the D could b Drumaness??
Drumaness are now division 3 so don't think be allowed. Shows the difference in standard that our intermediate champions plus the pick of two other sides still a notch or two below in Down terms a middle of the run senior side.
Would it be an option for Saul, Ardglass and Whatever Ards players to join next year?  Ithink this Could be a valid Option
I think it has to be two division 3 teams and a division 4 team. Bright could join Ardglass and Saul but I doubt it would happen. If Carryduff dont get promoted the strongest combination I can think of would be Bredagh, Carryduff and Darragh Cross. There is a signifigant gap between senior and intermediate but I think that North Down combination would be the strongest.

Is that like regional amalgamations in the Senior championship as in Kerry?

This year an amalgamated team consisting of Kilclief, Ardglass and Saul entered the Down SFC. All three are geographically beside each other with Kilclief and Ardglass in Division 3 of the Down Leagues and Saul in Division 4. Kilclief and Ardglass also played in the Intermediate Championship with Kilclief winning it and Saul played in the Junior Championship.

The amalgamation were defeated in the preliminary round of the Down SFC by Longstone who pulled up with something to spare. Longstone went on to make little impression in the SFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on October 17, 2011, 06:29:35 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on October 17, 2011, 06:24:09 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 16, 2011, 06:51:32 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 16, 2011, 06:17:01 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 16, 2011, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 16, 2011, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on October 16, 2011, 10:00:07 AM
Is that the end of ASK in the senior championship?    Or maybe they could become ARD and the D could b Drumaness??
Drumaness are now division 3 so don't think be allowed. Shows the difference in standard that our intermediate champions plus the pick of two other sides still a notch or two below in Down terms a middle of the run senior side.
Would it be an option for Saul, Ardglass and Whatever Ards players to join next year?  Ithink this Could be a valid Option
I think it has to be two division 3 teams and a division 4 team. Bright could join Ardglass and Saul but I doubt it would happen. If Carryduff dont get promoted the strongest combination I can think of would be Bredagh, Carryduff and Darragh Cross. There is a signifigant gap between senior and intermediate but I think that North Down combination would be the strongest.

Is that like regional amalgamations in the Senior championship as in Kerry?

This year an amalgamated team consisting of Kilclief, Ardglass and Saul entered the Down SFC. All three are geographically beside each other with Kilclief and Ardglass in Division 3 of the Down Leagues and Saul in Division 4. Kilclief and Ardglass also played in the Intermediate Championship with Kilclief winning it and Saul played in the Junior Championship.

The amalgamation were defeated in the preliminary round of the Down SFC by Longstone who pulled up with something to spare. Longstone went on to make little impression in the SFC.
Would it be an option for Saul, Ardglass and the players from the Ards til Make up a team?  A valid option i may add?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 17, 2011, 10:45:07 PM
I dont think an amalgamation of Ardglass Saul and the ards clubs would work. The hurling would be in full swing and logistically it would be too awkward for one single championship game. A more pressing matter for Ardglass is Sundays game against Dundrum, a point is enough to keep us up but after last Fridays performance nothing is guaranteed. One glimmer of hope is that our home form is much better than our away form.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on October 18, 2011, 05:01:54 PM
Big congratulations to Kilclief on their IFC win. Anyone ive spoke to in Darragh is glad to see it. No1 still on the drink?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 18, 2011, 05:09:06 PM
It may have gone under the radar but Downpatrick are back into Division 1. They beat Liatroim 1-09 to 1-08 in a promotion playoff on Sunday. Must of been around 2003 that they were relegated from Division 1 last time round. Won two IFC's in the intervening period. Probably one of the biggest underachievers in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: artisan2010 on October 18, 2011, 05:32:01 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 18, 2011, 05:09:06 PM
It may have gone under the radar but Downpatrick are back into Division 1. They beat Liatroim 1-09 to 1-08 in a promotion playoff on Sunday. Must of been around 2003 that they were relegated from Division 1 last time round. Won two IFC's in the intervening period. Probably one of the biggest underachievers in the county.

Good to see a town club heading in the right direction.  If only Newry could be sorted so they made a contribution worthy of its size.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 18, 2011, 07:43:06 PM
Have to say I am delighted for Kilclief...they always seemed a good bunch of lads and I have always admired the way they have fielded in both codes in an area that wouldnt necessarily be coming down with people to depend on to nurture the games. They were always a hard bunch of fcukers to beat down there. I'm old enough to have played against Ben Dearg when they had a certain reputation....the reputation they have now is that you are more likely to come away from Kilclief empty handed nowadays rather than nursing a few knocks and bruises like you used to :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 18, 2011, 08:56:38 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 18, 2011, 07:43:06 PM
Have to say I am delighted for Kilclief...they always seemed a good bunch of lads and I have always admired the way they have fielded in both codes in an area that wouldnt necessarily be coming down with people to depend on to nurture the games. They were always a hard bunch of fcukers to beat down there. I'm old enough to have played against Ben Dearg when they a certain reputation....the reputation they have now is that you are more likely to come away from Kilclief empty handed nowadays rather than nursing a few knocks and bruises like you used to :)

Remember playing them a few (hundred) years ago and we also came away with a few bruises and a one point win when Kilclief hurled in the Antrim leagues. Great to see the dual clubs doing well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 18, 2011, 09:23:43 PM
Quote from: artisan2010 on October 18, 2011, 05:32:01 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 18, 2011, 05:09:06 PM
It may have gone under the radar but Downpatrick are back into Division 1. They beat Liatroim 1-09 to 1-08 in a promotion playoff on Sunday. Must of been around 2003 that they were relegated from Division 1 last time round. Won two IFC's in the intervening period. Probably one of the biggest underachievers in the county.

Good to see a town club heading in the right direction.  If only Newry could be sorted so they made a contribution worthy of its size.

Downpatrick were relegated to Div 2 in 2002 wtih 17 points (8 wins and a draw) along with Warrenpoint.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 18, 2011, 09:37:09 PM
Hoops have been knocking on the door for a few years now.

They've a pretty decent side, but any time we've played them in recent seasons I've been shocked by their small squads. For a promotion playoff in 2009, I don't think they'd 5 subs. If they did they weren't watching the game.

Maybe they've moved on since then. I hope so, for D1 will eat them up otherwise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on October 19, 2011, 10:29:12 AM
I mind we played the hoops 3 years back, very small Panel bck then, but since have been there or there abouts at the top. They would surely needa a big panel for D1, if not, itll be a long, hard, ultimately disapointing season!

Burren Hiltown Saturday, praying for a Burren win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on October 19, 2011, 12:27:06 PM
Does anyone know If St Colmans play Abbey this Saturday? What time & venue? NP76 are you informed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 19, 2011, 12:49:15 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on October 19, 2011, 10:29:12 AM
I mind we played the hoops 3 years back, very small Panel bck then, but since have been there or there abouts at the top. They would surely needa a big panel for D1, if not, itll be a long, hard, ultimately disapointing season!

Burren Hiltown Saturday, praying for a Burren win

Fair play to the senior teams of RGU,Kilclief,Saul,Drumaness,Bredagh,Castlwellan,all of whom have secured championship,and/or promotion football success this year.I sense there is a resurgence among East Down clubs,which can only be good for the county as a whole.Castlewellan dominated Div 2 all year,and should do well in Div 1.RGU's results over the past couple of seasons,would indicate that they have been knocking on the door of Div 1 for a few years now,and I think they'll also be well prepared for the step up.Kilclief's success,and performances have been roundly admired by all,and with their Hurling exploits, they symbolise what the GAA is all about.Drumaness and Saul ,having secured promotion,meet for the Div 4 title on Sunday ,in what should be an entertaining encounter,given their two previous meetings this year. Bredagh,I feel will put their promotion disappointment behind them,for a serious onslaught on the Ulster JFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 19, 2011, 01:26:15 PM
Downpatrick and Castlewellan are both likely to struggle imo next year unless Castlewellan have improved dramatically from last year.

Ballyholland and Saval adapted well to the first division this year which meant that any of 6 teams were always going to be struggling.  Outside of the "top 4" anyone could have went down.  And on their day any team could beat any other team and that includes the "top 4", in the league anyway.  I see this as a one off  and not the norm though and unless Downpatrick can use their home turf as a fortress, they are going to struggle as they were never the best of travellers even when they had good teams.  All the best to them anyway and its good to see them back.

On another note is it likely that if Burren were to go on to the Ulster final, the 1st Division final wouldnt be til mid december?  I base this on the fact that Burren are unlikely to face the bridge in the semi final whilst McKernan is away and then they will have 3 games in 3 weeks culminating in an Ulster final at the end of November if they were to get that far.

Hardly far on Kilcoo who could go 2 months without a game!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on October 19, 2011, 01:38:32 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 19, 2011, 01:26:15 PM
Downpatrick and Castlewellan are both likely to struggle imo next year unless Castlewellan have improved dramatically from last year.

Ballyholland and Saval adapted well to the first division this year which meant that any of 6 teams were always going to be struggling.  Outside of the "top 4" anyone could have went down.  And on their day any team could beat any other team and that includes the "top 4", in the league anyway.  I see this as a one off  and not the norm though and unless Downpatrick can use their home turf as a fortress, they are going to struggle as they were never the best of travellers even when they had good teams.  All the best to them anyway and its good to see them back.

On another note is it likely that if Burren were to go on to the Ulster final, the 1st Division final wouldnt be til mid december?  I base this on the fact that Burren are unlikely to face the bridge in the semi final whilst McKernan is away and then they will have 3 games in 3 weeks culminating in an Ulster final at the end of November if they were to get that far.

Hardly far on Kilcoo who could go 2 months without a game!!!!

WDG good point but nothing kilcoo can do about it only wait.   It could have been roles reversed if Kilcoo hadnt of taken their eye of the ball
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 19, 2011, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on October 19, 2011, 01:38:32 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 19, 2011, 01:26:15 PM
Downpatrick and Castlewellan are both likely to struggle imo next year unless Castlewellan have improved dramatically from last year.

Ballyholland and Saval adapted well to the first division this year which meant that any of 6 teams were always going to be struggling.  Outside of the "top 4" anyone could have went down.  And on their day any team could beat any other team and that includes the "top 4", in the league anyway.  I see this as a one off  and not the norm though and unless Downpatrick can use their home turf as a fortress, they are going to struggle as they were never the best of travellers even when they had good teams.  All the best to them anyway and its good to see them back.

On another note is it likely that if Burren were to go on to the Ulster final, the 1st Division final wouldnt be til mid december?  I base this on the fact that Burren are unlikely to face the bridge in the semi final whilst McKernan is away and then they will have 3 games in 3 weeks culminating in an Ulster final at the end of November if they were to get that far.

Hardly far on Kilcoo who could go 2 months without a game!!!!

WDG good point but nothing kilcoo can do about it only wait.   It could have been roles reversed if Kilcoo hadnt of taken their eye of the ball

Burren should have to play their league games prior to their November 13th game in Enniskillen against Roslea. They face Clonduff this Saturday, the league simi final should be the following weekend (29th/30th Oct) allowing the league final to take place on Friday 4th November. This would give Burren 9 days prior to their ulster quarter final, should they overcome the Bridge in the league meeting.
I remember in 2009 when we where in Ulster we where forced to fulfill our domestic league fixtures so i dont see why it should be any different for Burren.
But of course they will get their way and we will be waiting to xmas.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 19, 2011, 03:21:24 PM
anyone at the rgu game? i hear it was a last minute penalty rebound that put them through?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on October 19, 2011, 03:38:10 PM
Just on promotion and relegation it must be the first time in a number of seasons that the 2 promoted teams stayed up in division 1. Well done to both Ballyholland & Saval, I would say that was their goal and anything else was a bonus. Having been part of 3 or 4 Warrenpoint teams that got promoted I know exactly how hard it is to stay up and in particular with a smaller division. For Castlewellan & Downpatrick to do the same next year I feel they should concentrate on beating the bottom 5 teams at Home and trying to gain as many away points as possible. 10 pts at home and try to pick up 4 more would have kept you safe!! As for Burren, Kilcoo, Bridge & Ford anything got from those games would be a bonus. That's were I feel Ballyholland & Saval have survived the dreaded drop or play-off.

As for the saga of the Div 1 title, realistically, do Burren want to be playing football in December? Even with Kevin McK playing for Ireland I would suggest that they would want to clear up all league football before they venture into Ulster. A championship and league double would be nice for any club but I would say they would prefer to concentrate souly on the Ulster Club SFC. That is not taking anything away from our Div 1 league title or Mayobridge or Kilcoo who are still in the competition.

I suppose we will will learn soon enough. I just wish the Point had this problem although thank God we managed to stay clear of relegation play-offs to the 3rd div. We have never survived relegation play-offs before. wishing Ballymartin & annaclone all the best, wouldnt have predicted either club playing this game at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 19, 2011, 03:55:40 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 19, 2011, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on October 19, 2011, 01:38:32 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 19, 2011, 01:26:15 PM
Downpatrick and Castlewellan are both likely to struggle imo next year unless Castlewellan have improved dramatically from last year.

Ballyholland and Saval adapted well to the first division this year which meant that any of 6 teams were always going to be struggling.  Outside of the "top 4" anyone could have went down.  And on their day any team could beat any other team and that includes the "top 4", in the league anyway.  I see this as a one off  and not the norm though and unless Downpatrick can use their home turf as a fortress, they are going to struggle as they were never the best of travellers even when they had good teams.  All the best to them anyway and its good to see them back.

On another note is it likely that if Burren were to go on to the Ulster final, the 1st Division final wouldnt be til mid december?  I base this on the fact that Burren are unlikely to face the bridge in the semi final whilst McKernan is away and then they will have 3 games in 3 weeks culminating in an Ulster final at the end of November if they were to get that far.

Hardly far on Kilcoo who could go 2 months without a game!!!!

WDG good point but nothing kilcoo can do about it only wait.   It could have been roles reversed if Kilcoo hadnt of taken their eye of the ball

Burren should have to play their league games prior to their November 13th game in Enniskillen against Roslea. They face Clonduff this Saturday, the league simi final should be the following weekend (29th/30th Oct) allowing the league final to take place on Friday 4th November. This would give Burren 9 days prior to their ulster quarter final, should they overcome the Bridge in the league meeting.
I remember in 2009 when we where in Ulster we where forced to fulfill our domestic league fixtures so i dont see why it should be any different for Burren.
But of course they will get their way and we will be waiting to xmas.

The difference MDG is that Burren may not want to go into a league semi without McKernan.  Would Kilcoo think its fair to go into a league semi against your closest rivals without Laverty through no fault of ur own?

I dont know, maybe Burren will play it to get it out of the road but there was a precedent set a few years ago when the bridge didnt have to play a league match as benny was in Oz with Ireland team.  If they dont want to play it they wont be forced to imo.

At the same time they went out last year the wk after the cross game and gave an abject performance against the bridge in the league final so i can see the merits of getting it played before any ulster matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on October 19, 2011, 06:52:53 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on October 19, 2011, 03:21:24 PM
anyone at the rgu game? i hear it was a last minute penalty rebound that put them through?

RGU were 2 behind in injury time when the ref gave them a penalty out of nowhere. Dont even think any of their players appealed for it. Terrible decision but he hadn't given them much up until then. Penalty was saved but it came straight back out to the penalty taker who knocked it in. Dramatic stuff at the end of a long season. RGU have a very young side. I'd guess that the average age of their 15 on Sunday would be around 21/22.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weebob on October 19, 2011, 09:11:38 PM
Burren should be given the choice whether to play the league games  or not play the league games after all they are representing the county in ulster  and shouldn't be put under pressure to finish the league . personally i think when any team plays div1 football its the c/ship they want to win and push on in ulster . so for MDG to say Burren should have to finish the league to suit them or anyone else is very unfair that would be 4 tough games in 23 days if they did make the league final . catch a grip of yourself man dear . and whats the dig about of course burren will get their own way ?


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DvM1991 on October 20, 2011, 08:47:12 AM
To launch our Talk Night in Bryansford GAC this Saturday Night Peter McGrath will be interviewed today on U105FM by Frank Mitchell (McClorey). On air after 10am.
Panel on Saturday Night is confirmed as Bernard Flynn, Colm O'Rourke, Eamonn Burns, Ross Carr and Peter McGrath with MC Mark Sidebottom.
It is anticipated all the Down Players will be attending.
Show to commence at 8pm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on October 20, 2011, 11:39:19 AM
Congratulations to Kilclief on their Intermediate championship win. Looks like a long winter for them with league games still to play and an Ulster Championship run. Also a long wait for other teams in the 3rd Division. Hopefully the County Board will take lessons from this year and learn for next year!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DvM1991 on October 20, 2011, 01:22:50 PM
Quote from: DvM1991 on October 20, 2011, 08:47:12 AM
To launch our Talk Night in Bryansford GAC this Saturday Night Peter McGrath will be interviewed today on U105FM by Frank Mitchell (McClorey). On air after 10am.
Panel on Saturday Night is confirmed as Bernard Flynn, Colm O'Rourke, Eamonn Burns, Ross Carr and Peter McGrath with MC Mark Sidebottom.
It is anticipated all the Down Players will be attending.
Show to commence at 8pm.

This will now take place tomorrow - Frank ran out of air time!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 20, 2011, 05:54:51 PM
I see the league fixtures are out for next year home to Donegal , Kerry and Dublin . Away to Armagh , Laois , Mayo and Cork
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 20, 2011, 07:21:13 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on October 20, 2011, 05:54:51 PM
I see the league fixtures are out for next year home to Donegal , Kerry and Dublin . Away to Armagh , Laois , Mayo and Cork

NFL fixtures 2012

Round 1

February 4th: Laois v Mayo, Down v Donegal, Dublin v Kerry

February 5th: Armagh v Cork

Round 2

February 11th: Mayo v Dublin

February 12th: Donegal v Laois, Kerry v Armagh, Cork v Down

Round 3

March 3rd: Laois v Dublin

March 4th: Armagh v Mayo, Donegal v Cork, Down v Kerry

Round 4

March 10th: Cork v Laois

March 11th: Mayo v Down, Kerry v Donegal, Dublin v Armagh

Round 5

March 18th: Donegal v Mayo, Laois v Armagh,  Down v Dublin, Cork v Kerry

Round 6

March 24th: Armagh v Down, Dublin v Donegal

March 25th: Mayo v Cork, Kerry v Laois

Round 7

April 8th: Donegal v Armagh, Laois v Down, Kerry v Mayo, Cork v Dublin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 20, 2011, 08:31:21 PM
Thanks MDG i would be all night typing all that out not to far to travel castlebar good craic last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 20, 2011, 10:56:03 PM
Will the losers of Saul and drumaness in the div 4 title decider play in the JFC next season due to Bredagh winning this years JFC but failing to get promoted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 20, 2011, 11:19:43 PM
It looks as though we have been stitched up over the NFL fixtures, which are presumably subject to confirmation, and there is a good case for a strong complaint from the county board. We had three home games and four away last year in division one, and the usual understanding is that - assuming you stay up - it should be the other way round next time.

Not only have we again got four away matches, but we also have to make the huge trips to Cork and Mayo for the second consecutive season. Fair play suggests that both those ties should have been at home, along with those against Dublin and Kerry games. We would then have been happy to travel to Donegal, Armagh and Laois.

These things admittedly need a little sorting out, but a single league point - which is very difficult to get on the road in the top division - would make a huge difference between avoiding relegation and even making the NFL play-offs. It is well worth challenging these proposals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 20, 2011, 11:47:02 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 20, 2011, 10:56:03 PM
Will the losers of Saul and drumaness in the div 4 title decider play in the JFC next season due to Bredagh winning this years JFC but failing to get promoted.

Yes. Was working that out myself and I think the losers will be in the JFC next year. In my opinion both Saul and Drumaness will struggle in Division 3 next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 21, 2011, 09:44:56 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 20, 2011, 07:21:13 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on October 20, 2011, 05:54:51 PM
I see the league fixtures are out for next year home to Donegal , Kerry and Dublin . Away to Armagh , Laois , Mayo and Cork

NFL fixtures 2012

Round 1

February 4th: Laois v Mayo, Down v Donegal, Dublin v Kerry

February 5th: Armagh v Cork

Round 2

February 11th: Mayo v Dublin

February 12th: Donegal v Laois, Kerry v Armagh, Cork v Down

Round 3

March 3rd: Laois v Dublin

March 4th: Armagh v Mayo, Donegal v Cork, Down v Kerry

Round 4

March 10th: Cork v Laois

March 11th: Mayo v Down, Kerry v Donegal, Dublin v Armagh

Round 5

March 18th: Donegal v Mayo, Laois v Armagh,  Down v Dublin, Cork v Kerry

Round 6

March 24th: Armagh v Down, Dublin v Donegal

March 25th: Mayo v Cork, Kerry v Laois

Round 7

April 8th: Donegal v Armagh, Laois v Down, Kerry v Mayo, Cork v Dublin

When's the last time we played Kerry & Dublin at home in the league in the same year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 21, 2011, 07:12:56 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 20, 2011, 11:47:02 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 20, 2011, 10:56:03 PM
Will the losers of Saul and drumaness in the div 4 title decider play in the JFC next season due to Bredagh winning this years JFC but failing to get promoted.

Yes. Was working that out myself and I think the losers will be in the JFC next year. In my opinion both Saul and Drumaness will struggle in Division 3 next year.

I definitely think Drumaness will struggle next year. I also think that Saul getting relegated last year was a blessing in disguise, they seem to have brought a few young lads through and a year of winning games in div 4 will probably bring them on more than getting hammered week after week in div 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on October 21, 2011, 08:07:35 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 20, 2011, 11:19:43 PM
It looks as though we have been stitched up over the NFL fixtures, which are presumably subject to confirmation, and there is a good case for a strong complaint from the county board. We had three home games and four away last year in division one, and the usual understanding is that - assuming you stay up - it should be the other way round next time......

I agree totally the county board should complain. Sure I can accept a new draw every two years but at least the number of home games should be reversed. Dublin, Mayo & Armagh all have 3 home fixtures after last year's 4, Cork and Kerry have 4 home after last year's 3. It is only Down that has been stitched up. 

What really annoys me is that this could so simply be sorted by switching just a one fixture. Switch Laois vs Down and that sorts it out. Donegal (with 4 home) and Laois (3 homes) have to accept their list as they are new, like we were last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 22, 2011, 08:40:34 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 20, 2011, 11:47:02 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 20, 2011, 10:56:03 PM
Will the losers of Saul and drumaness in the div 4 title decider play in the JFC next season due to Bredagh winning this years JFC but failing to get promoted.

Yes. Was working that out myself and I think the losers will be in the JFC next year. In my opinion both Saul and Drumaness will struggle in Division 3 next year.
Whatever about Saul and drumaness struggling in div 3 next year, the 2 teams that eventually get promoted from div 3 this year could well struggle next season. I see Drumgath who won div 3 last year only got 4 points this season, there seems to be a signifigant gap developing between the 2 divisions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 22, 2011, 08:53:47 AM
when is the div2 relegation match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 22, 2011, 10:58:12 AM
2pm Sunday in Hilltown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 22, 2011, 11:19:46 AM
I hear Down have another Hogan Cup winning captain training with them at the minute :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 22, 2011, 04:10:23 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 22, 2011, 11:19:46 AM
I hear Down have another Hogan Cup winning captain training with them at the minute :o

Surely he will require an inter county transfer if he is going to be part of James plans!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 22, 2011, 04:11:20 PM
Ulster Colleges Result from this morning:

St Colman's Newry 1-8 Abbey CBS 3-7

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 22, 2011, 04:13:14 PM
2-0 clonduff,  awful day!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: onefaircounty on October 22, 2011, 04:18:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 22, 2011, 04:10:23 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 22, 2011, 11:19:46 AM
I hear Down have another Hogan Cup winning captain training with them at the minute :o

Surely he will require an inter county transfer if he is going to be part of James plans!

Niall McParland? Sure he is a Down man is he not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 22, 2011, 04:21:40 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on October 22, 2011, 04:18:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 22, 2011, 04:10:23 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 22, 2011, 11:19:46 AM
I hear Down have another Hogan Cup winning captain training with them at the minute :o

Surely he will require an inter county transfer if he is going to be part of James plans!

Niall McParland? Sure he is a Down man is he not?

Wrong winning captain!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 22, 2011, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 22, 2011, 04:10:23 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 22, 2011, 11:19:46 AM
I hear Down have another Hogan Cup winning captain training with them at the minute :o

Surely he will require an inter county transfer if he is going to be part of James plans!

You'd think so...but there must be something happening...watch this space.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 22, 2011, 04:24:34 PM
4-1 yellas - burren rested 7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on October 22, 2011, 05:51:18 PM
who won clonduff burren game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 22, 2011, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on October 22, 2011, 05:51:18 PM
who won clonduff burren game?

Burren 0-5 Clonduff 1-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 22, 2011, 05:58:50 PM
big turnaround from last week! that puts the kingdom down and the yellas playing rostrevor in a relegation playoff next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 22, 2011, 06:08:07 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 22, 2011, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on October 22, 2011, 05:51:18 PM
who won clonduff burren game?

Burren 0-5 Clonduff 1-12

Funnily enough if it was goal difference and not head to head record seperating the teams then Rostrevor would be down automatically and Longstone and An Riocht would be playing in a relegation playoff with Clonduff safe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 22, 2011, 06:18:05 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 22, 2011, 05:58:50 PM
big turnaround from last week! that puts the kingdom down and the yellas playing rostrevor in a relegation playoff next week.

Poucher will be delighted with Dawson.. :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on October 22, 2011, 06:37:26 PM
Was anyone at the Burren game today that could maybe post their starting 15?

Ive been thinking about the situation that Burren were in today because in one hand, I can see the reasons why they did not field their strongest 15 (Ulster/International Rules/League Semi final). But in the other hand... How must Rostrevor and even more so An Roicht feel this evening that Frank Dawson did not filed his strongest 15.

Imo I believe he should have fielded a strong team in fairness to the Kingdom, Rostrevor and the League. How would they feel if the tides were turned on themselves???

On a final note, Clonduff must of put in some performance today to turn around the embarrassment of last week. Leaves an interesting local derby battle between the yellas and Rostrevor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 22, 2011, 07:07:03 PM
Will do my best - awful day, burren had. 5 chances to score before clonduff did - yellas simply wanted it more; burren's subs not up to the level. Of their starting team. Burren team was;

Murdock, ryan mcgovern, dan mccartan, mohan, mcentee, chris mcgovern, some young lad on wing; smyth + mcardle, mcgovern, murdock, toner, donal ohare, ciaran byrne + poland.

Burren man beside me said 7 starters now playing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 22, 2011, 07:49:57 PM
relegation play off match between rostrevor and clonduff is set to be played next friday night in mayobridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on October 22, 2011, 08:32:16 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 22, 2011, 07:49:57 PM
relegation play off match between rostrevor and clonduff is set to be played next friday night in mayobridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on October 22, 2011, 08:35:49 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on October 22, 2011, 08:32:16 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 22, 2011, 07:49:57 PM
relegation play off match between rostrevor and clonduff is set to be played next friday night in mayobridge.

Is this a joke? Friday night under lights in Mayobridge?  Not much thought of supporters here with not even shelter over their heads when its possible on a night thats going to be at least cold
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 22, 2011, 11:37:19 PM
Here comes 6, you've become top used to the seats at Esler.

Personally I'm assuming that Esler needs a break. That really doesn't leave the county board with many options in terms of seating.

They could of course play it on a Sunday - but would a Sunday in Mayobridge be any warmer or drier than a Friday night?

Thou doth protesth too much.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on October 22, 2011, 11:40:52 PM
Did we see a trup reflection of Clonduff today or were Burren just that bad because of missing personnel??? Dawson certainly did his old club a favour and at least they have a chance now to survive.  Im sure the kingdom are furious though.  They thought they had done enough to at least merit a playoff.  But they weren relegated because of todays result alone - thye had enough games in the season to stay up... What time will the game be next friday night??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 23, 2011, 10:51:49 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 22, 2011, 11:37:19 PM
Here comes 6, you've become top used to the seats at Esler.

Personally I'm assuming that Esler needs a break. That really doesn't leave the county board with many options in terms of seating.

They could of course play it on a Sunday - but would a Sunday in Mayobridge be any warmer or drier than a Friday night?

Thou doth protesth too much.
is parc esler not set to host its biggest crowd of the season next weekend when jedward are set to play on the hallowed turf?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on October 23, 2011, 12:59:33 PM
What Burren did yesterday was nothing short of a disgrace, still think that game sholda been played with the rest of them. Its a joke, hateful shar if ever there was any, and thats Dawsons a right tool
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 23, 2011, 02:06:32 PM
Useful input as always Ned!!!

Whilst I do not agree with Dawson's selection policy yesterday I think it needs to be taken into context.  They have already qualified for a league final, have an ulster campaign to look forward to and probably didnt want to take any risks against a team fighting for their lives in difficult conditions.  At the same time I dont agree with making 8 changes.

Relegation is over 18 games though and Kingdom can have no complaints.  Did the bridge have anything to play for or put out a full team when they played them in their last game?  Would you expect Kingdom to beat the bridge during the normal course of the year when the bridge have something to play for?  It swings in roundabouts and blaming Burren for their relegation is really badly clutching at straws.

Dont think too many throughout the county will be devastated given the antics of their manager throughout the year either!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weebob on October 23, 2011, 03:40:35 PM
 :well said whitegoodman . that poucher went on like a real muppet all year . Burren or any other team shouldn't  be slated for what way they line out there team  it'll do the kingdoms foul mouthed so called supporters no harm a bit of a run round east down . you seem pretty hateful yourself ned or are you just jealous or both . anyway goodluck in div 2  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on October 23, 2011, 04:13:55 PM
Nobody is giving clonduff credit for the way the played. Burren had a good side out but clonduff played like a team fighting for their lives. They closed burren down and had them under pressure all day Should have won by more. Consistency has been a big problem for clonduff all year - they will need a similar performance against rostrevor. Any results from annaclone v ballymartin?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on October 23, 2011, 04:53:20 PM
this play-ofrf stuff is nonsense -two up twon -end of
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 23, 2011, 05:09:31 PM
Division 3 Results

Glenn  0-7 0-10 Tullylish   
Mitchels  0-3 1-9 Carryduff     
Darragh Cross  1-10 1-9 Atticall     
Glasdrumman  1-10 0-13 St John Bosco     
Ardglass  1-12 1-9 Dundrum     
Kilclief  2-15 0-3 St Johns 

Mitchels are relegated to Division 4 and have been as long time. Dundrum and St Johns have to playoff next weekend with the loser going to Division 4.

Kilclief need five points from their last four games to take top spot and automatic promotion. If that happens then Tullylish and Carryduff will playoff to see who plays Kilclief in the Division 3 Final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weebob on October 23, 2011, 05:26:56 PM
 leonardo  the bottom line is . if Burren wanted to put clonduff down the would be down  end of  .  bottom two go down is the only cure maybe they'll get the finger out a bit earlier next year !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 23, 2011, 07:38:46 PM
Any result from the div 2 relegation playoff??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 23, 2011, 07:50:14 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 23, 2011, 07:38:46 PM
Any result from the div 2 relegation playoff??
Wasn't played
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 23, 2011, 07:53:11 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 23, 2011, 07:50:14 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 23, 2011, 07:38:46 PM
Any result from the div 2 relegation playoff??
Wasn't played

Y not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 45 on October 23, 2011, 08:07:30 PM
Look out your window  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 23, 2011, 08:24:13 PM
Quote from: 45 on October 23, 2011, 08:07:30 PM
Look out your window  ???

Ok, I'm not in Ireland atm but obv the weather isn great. Any word on when it will be played?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 23, 2011, 11:15:16 PM
Quote from: DvM1991 on October 20, 2011, 01:22:50 PM
Quote from: DvM1991 on October 20, 2011, 08:47:12 AM
To launch our Talk Night in Bryansford GAC this Saturday Night Peter McGrath will be interviewed today on U105FM by Frank Mitchell (McClorey). On air after 10am.
Panel on Saturday Night is confirmed as Bernard Flynn, Colm O'Rourke, Eamonn Burns, Ross Carr and Peter McGrath with MC Mark Sidebottom.
It is anticipated all the Down Players will be attending.
Show to commence at 8pm.

Great nights craic. Anyone else attend? Some interesting chat there was too!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on October 24, 2011, 08:05:59 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 22, 2011, 11:37:19 PM
Here comes 6, you've become top used to the seats at Esler.

Personally I'm assuming that Esler needs a break. That really doesn't leave the county board with many options in terms of seating.

They could of course play it on a Sunday - but would a Sunday in Mayobridge be any warmer or drier than a Friday night?

Thou doth protesth too much.
Pairc Esler needs a break?  It was closed for 3 months from March till about june
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DvM1991 on October 24, 2011, 11:27:15 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 23, 2011, 11:15:16 PM
Quote from: DvM1991 on October 20, 2011, 01:22:50 PM
Quote from: DvM1991 on October 20, 2011, 08:47:12 AM
To launch our Talk Night in Bryansford GAC this Saturday Night Peter McGrath will be interviewed today on U105FM by Frank Mitchell (McClorey). On air after 10am.
Panel on Saturday Night is confirmed as Bernard Flynn, Colm O'Rourke, Eamonn Burns, Ross Carr and Peter McGrath with MC Mark Sidebottom.
It is anticipated all the Down Players will be attending.
Show to commence at 8pm.

Great nights craic. Anyone else attend? Some interesting chat there was too!!!!!




As part of the organising committee we thought the night went very well - the panel contribution was very good and Mark Sidebottom came over very impressive. A proud night for Bryansford and a great fundraiser.
The Ex-County stars had good craic as we went into the early hours.
It is hoped the DVD we showed will be available to buy soon - highlights of all the games in SFC 1991, Build up to the final, after match interviews and homecoming. Great memories.
The 1994 reunion will be interesting...................
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 24, 2011, 12:55:39 PM
I was at the night in Bryansford and thought it was excellent some great guests there and was good to see many of the Down 91 panel at it, players there that you only wish were able to select in present day games. Real coup for the ford and well done to everyone associated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 24, 2011, 01:21:56 PM
In relation to the relegation playoff and who is or isn't in it due to the weekend's result......firstly I completely agree that the relegation issue is over the whole season and not just the final game(s)! If you haven't been good enough or consistent enough over the season then you should have no complaints if you find yourself in a playoff or down automatically. Secondly I do think as has been said before that all of the games should have been played at the same time for the last round, but who is to say there wouldn't have been the same outcome? Burren could have rested the same 8 players before the county final if it was played with the rest of the games! Thirdly surely Pairc Esler could have taken one more match in the season? And finally...may the best team win on Friday night...  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 24, 2011, 07:45:00 PM
No guarantee Burren would have won even with a full team out. It's hard to win any match when it means nothing and you don't want to pick up an injury going full out for 50/50 ball and the other is bursting a gut going for every ball. If marched played before final Burren might have been more up for match. Definitely all last matches should be played together. An Riocht got shafted a few seasons ago when Mayobridge had still to play Saval, Liatroim and  Loughinisland after An Riocht had played all there matches and they all knew that if they all lost An Riocht would get relegated as be less than 30% of Mayobridge points but that if any of them won An Riocht would be above the 30% needed and they could put themselves in relegation playoff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 24, 2011, 09:37:38 PM
Why would people expect a relegation play off game to be played at Pairc Esler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 24, 2011, 10:30:13 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on October 24, 2011, 09:37:38 PM
Why would people expect a relegation play off game to be played at Pairc Esler

That's actually a very good point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 25, 2011, 12:27:45 AM
Why not?

Good pitch in current conditions, excellent flood lights, stand for supporters so they don't get soaked as well as frozen. Just because it is a relegation playoff does that mean the teams and supporters aren't entitled to the same standard of facilities as another neutral venue game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 25, 2011, 08:35:05 AM
If thats the case supersub then all championship games should be played in Newry is it not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 25, 2011, 10:35:03 AM
No because that wouldn't be logistically possible or the best format for the championship to take. There are so many games through the three championship grades and teams are from all over the county thus travel and times of games need to be taken into consideration. You couldn't play four games (2 senior 2 interm) in the one night at pairc eisler for example. Not to mention the state the pitch would be in if every single game was played on it. It just wouldn't be feasible for the championships! Plus they like to spread the games out around the county so everyone can get to see them and not have a lot of travelling to do! In terms of the relegation playoff it is a one off game and both clubs are as close to Newry as each other. There is nothing wrong with the Bridge's pitch having said all that, just not much shelter for supporters at this time of year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 25, 2011, 01:51:12 PM
Are there any other Down teams involved in Ulster Championship games this weekend?  We (Bredagh) are away to Burt in Letterkenny in the prelim round of the UJFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on October 25, 2011, 02:40:32 PM
I think it is a disgrace that club games are played at this time of year.
The July fortnight holidays should be scrapped so that all games are played before the Championship final.
The Championship final should the final game of the year.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 25, 2011, 09:01:26 PM
Razor, the only alternative to finishing leagues at this time of year is to start then earlier in the year. The result would be the same shitty weather.

Playing at this time isn't a new phenomenon, not even close. When I was involved in senior football with the Harps, I'd have considered a Halloween end of season as a short season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 25, 2011, 09:19:01 PM
I think the leagues should start the weekend after St Patricks day, it was the end of april before they started this year. Wobbler is right to say that the weather can be just as bad in march as it can be in October, but if the a game is postponed in March there is the whole summer to rearrange it. A couple of monday or tuesday nights could be allocated for all rearranged fixtures so there is not a build up of them over the course of a season.

When a game is postponed in October the rearranged fixture is unlikely to be played in better conditions. Another reason the leagues should be finished earlier is the play-offs are the most important games of the season for clubs outside of div 1 and they deserve to be given the chance to be played in decent conditions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 25, 2011, 09:28:56 PM
Ardtole, you start the leagues in mid March and you're up against schools football, under 21 championship, national league latter stages, county training weekends, and the unfriendly weather. you can't play weeknights, so that means a lot of pressure on full league series on Sundays.

I can clearly remember a shift in Down football away from March fixtures around 2000. This was a response to the huge backlog of fixtures caused by cancellations, which were never resolved quickly - and we ended up playing ball in November anyway. We shouldn't go back to that because of an unusually damp October.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 25, 2011, 09:44:49 PM
Schools football are usually played on Saturdays, and how many of them lads would be playing senior football? The u-21 games are usually played midwek as well. There would be some conflict with national league games but that starts another debate regarding club footballers v county footballers. We had a county panelist at the start of the year who wasnt playing for Down and wasnt allowed to play for us, utter madness. The fact div 3 has an extra 4 fixtures than div 1 & 2, it would make sense if it at least started earlier.  It is likely that the div 3 play-off this year could be between Carryduff and Tullylish, they played their final game at the weekend but have to wait for Kilclief to fulfill their fixtures, they have at least 4 games left and play in Ulster this weekend. It could be december before this important fixture takes place,  that is not acceptable.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 25, 2011, 10:00:53 PM
D3 is a c**k up this year, no doubt. But without reopening old wounds, mostly down to the dual success of one club.

We have oddities in Down football.

There are a number of clubs who believe that the reason they don't win Championships is due to county board conspiracy with fixtures and player releases. Hence they're always proposing change whether it's of any benefit or not. Which is why the Championship now starts in August.

Hopefully someone has the sense to use Kilclief's achievements this season as a soundboard for applying more sense to the Championship run. After all, despite playing in a lower division all year, half of them away stick fighting all the time, and a handful playing junior soccer before huge GAA matches, they still won.

The bigger oddity though is the emphasis we place on league football. I'm sick of hearing complaints from championship-exited clubs about their leagues being on hold. Of course they're on hold - the main competition is being played ffs.

The utterly daft situation we have in our county whereby league matches get postponed and shifted for county games, hurling games, cemetery masses, and all other mines of bullshit is the single biggest problem we face. Clubs who won't play because of missing players should be deducted points until they do play. That way, you could actually start leagues in May and still be done for October.






Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 25, 2011, 10:20:26 PM
Kilclief had only 1 game postponed due to hurling this year. The last 5 round of games for div 3 were never allocated at the start of the year so if any div 3 made the IFC final it was going to lead to chaos, considering 12 of the 16 teams were div 3 it was always likely.There is no disputing it was badly organised and was highlighted as soon as the fixture list was released.

Im sure wobbler when ballyholland were in div 2, getting promotion to div 1 was as important to you as a good run in the championship. I read earlier in the thread one of the bredagh posters suggesting their playoff game against drumaness for promotion was more important than the jfc final.
I think the fact that our leagues are linked to championship grading is positive and places an importance on our leagues, I know for a fact that the leagues in other counties are only ever partially completed, surely our system is better than that.

I agree that the championship will always take preference but it should be possible to run the league alongside without major disruption. I would say that Down was probably one of the last counties in Ireland to start their leagues this year so moving it forward a few weeks is hardly reveloutionary.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on October 25, 2011, 11:38:54 PM
I agree with you ardtole.
If the leagues were started in March or very early April and scrap the fortnight holidays you would not have the problems that Kilclief and Burren are causing to the county board at the minute.
I also agree with you Ardtole when you say the league position is important because it determines which championship they play in next year.
I think it is a disgrace that this years Division 1 and Division will not be finished until late november or early december.
Kilcoo have to wait six or seven weeks just to play one game in the play offs. This is totally wrong.
The solutions are that:
You start earlier
You get rid of the fortnight holidays
Do away with the playoffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 25, 2011, 11:48:39 PM
This year we played our last League game before the July break on the 1st of July. Our next League game wasn't until the 29th of July. That's a full month without League action.

The July break should be a maximum of 2 weeks. A month was far too long. If we had of played an extra two games in July then our League campaign would have been over by the start of October which is perfectly reasonable.

Cut the July break to a fortnight max and reduce the number of 'official' excuses that teams use to avoid playing games. For instance:
a) The opening or closing of a Forty Hours.
b) A Corpus Christi Procession.
c) A Cemetery Service.
d) A Mission.

Also in the By-Laws it states that 'The County Competitions Control Committee may designate a "cut-off" date, which will be notified to clubs before the start of the league. The league positions of teams after the "cut-off" date shall be regarded as the final position in the ordinary league rounds.' Im not aware of this having ever been enforced.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 26, 2011, 10:58:26 AM
Up until this year there was no problem with the July break. Previously, there would have been a set of fixtures the thursday before the holidays, miss the following weekend and another round of fixtures for the following friday night. There was still a 2 week break but only one round of fixtures was skipped.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 26, 2011, 11:06:31 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 25, 2011, 11:48:39 PM
This year we played our last League game before the July break on the 1st of July. Our next League game wasn't until the 29th of July. That's a full month without League action.

The July break should be a maximum of 2 weeks. A month was far too long. If we had of played an extra two games in July then our League campaign would have been over by the start of October which is perfectly reasonable.

Cut the July break to a fortnight max and reduce the number of 'official' excuses that teams use to avoid playing games. For instance:
a) The opening or closing of a Forty Hours.
b) A Corpus Christi Procession.
c) A Cemetery Service.
d) A Mission.

Also in the By-Laws it states that 'The County Competitions Control Committee may designate a "cut-off" date, which will be notified to clubs before the start of the league. The league positions of teams after the "cut-off" date shall be regarded as the final position in the ordinary league rounds.' Im not aware of this having ever been enforced.


I doubt that any matches have been called off for the above reasons a) to d) above,if a match is called off on a friday due to a funeral for example it should be played on the next available monday.

Regarding the Hurling,fixtures are coordinated to avoid clashes,but Kilclief's dual success this year was not predicted.With respect to Wobbler,his suggestion that Kilclief should effectively be penalised for promoting and succeeding at Hurling,got no  support on this website and would have no significant support in the association as a whole.Sometimes we have to sit back and remember what makes our association unique.

Regarding the cut-off date,this should be looked at in the future,as it puts the onus on clubs to get games played asap.I remember in around 2004 our club were given 10 days to clear up our remaining four league games by the end of September,in division 2,so that play-off games could proceed.This is only OK if this date is set out in stone at the end of the year.Regarding this year,Kilclief deserve to have their Ulster campaign prioritised,and unfortunately other clubs just have to wait for the leagues to finish.As Wobbler says,October,November football has been the norm for years,and all things considered is going to have to remain so,unless someone comes up with a better solution.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 26, 2011, 12:07:42 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 26, 2011, 11:06:31 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 25, 2011, 11:48:39 PM
This year we played our last League game before the July break on the 1st of July. Our next League game wasn't until the 29th of July. That's a full month without League action.

The July break should be a maximum of 2 weeks. A month was far too long. If we had of played an extra two games in July then our League campaign would have been over by the start of October which is perfectly reasonable.

Cut the July break to a fortnight max and reduce the number of 'official' excuses that teams use to avoid playing games. For instance:
a) The opening or closing of a Forty Hours.
b) A Corpus Christi Procession.
c) A Cemetery Service.
d) A Mission.

Also in the By-Laws it states that 'The County Competitions Control Committee may designate a "cut-off" date, which will be notified to clubs before the start of the league. The league positions of teams after the "cut-off" date shall be regarded as the final position in the ordinary league rounds.' Im not aware of this having ever been enforced.


I doubt that any matches have been called off for the above reasons a) to d) above,if a match is called off on a friday due to a funeral for example it should be played on the next available monday.

Regarding the Hurling,fixtures are coordinated to avoid clashes,but Kilclief's dual success this year was not predicted.With respect to Wobbler,his suggestion that Kilclief should effectively be penalised for promoting and succeeding at Hurling,got no  support on this website and would have no significant support in the association as a whole.Sometimes we have to sit back and remember what makes our association unique.

Regarding the cut-off date,this should be looked at in the future,as it puts the onus on clubs to get games played asap.I remember in around 2004 our club were given 10 days to clear up our remaining four league games by the end of September,in division 2,so that play-off games could proceed.This is only OK if this date is set out in stone at the end of the year.Regarding this year,Kilclief deserve to have their Ulster campaign prioritised,and unfortunately other clubs just have to wait for the leagues to finish.As Wobbler says,October,November football has been the norm for years,and all things considered is going to have to remain so,unless someone comes up with a better solution.

Your wrong on this 6th Sam. In the past Ive seen clubs call off games for cemetery Sunday's and Missions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 26, 2011, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 26, 2011, 12:07:42 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 26, 2011, 11:06:31 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 25, 2011, 11:48:39 PM
This year we played our last League game before the July break on the 1st of July. Our next League game wasn't until the 29th of July. That's a full month without League action.

The July break should be a maximum of 2 weeks. A month was far too long. If we had of played an extra two games in July then our League campaign would have been over by the start of October which is perfectly reasonable.

Cut the July break to a fortnight max and reduce the number of 'official' excuses that teams use to avoid playing games. For instance:
a) The opening or closing of a Forty Hours.
b) A Corpus Christi Procession.
c) A Cemetery Service.
d) A Mission.

Also in the By-Laws it states that 'The County Competitions Control Committee may designate a "cut-off" date, which will be notified to clubs before the start of the league. The league positions of teams after the "cut-off" date shall be regarded as the final position in the ordinary league rounds.' Im not aware of this having ever been enforced.


I doubt that any matches have been called off for the above reasons a) to d) above,if a match is called off on a friday due to a funeral for example it should be played on the next available monday.

Regarding the Hurling,fixtures are coordinated to avoid clashes,but Kilclief's dual success this year was not predicted.With respect to Wobbler,his suggestion that Kilclief should effectively be penalised for promoting and succeeding at Hurling,got no  support on this website and would have no significant support in the association as a whole.Sometimes we have to sit back and remember what makes our association unique.

Regarding the cut-off date,this should be looked at in the future,as it puts the onus on clubs to get games played asap.I remember in around 2004 our club were given 10 days to clear up our remaining four league games by the end of September,in division 2,so that play-off games could proceed.This is only OK if this date is set out in stone at the end of the year.Regarding this year,Kilclief deserve to have their Ulster campaign prioritised,and unfortunately other clubs just have to wait for the leagues to finish.As Wobbler says,October,November football has been the norm for years,and all things considered is going to have to remain so,unless someone comes up with a better solution.

Your wrong on this 6th Sam. In the past Ive seen clubs call off games for cemetery Sunday's and Missions.

Surely in those cases the match has to be brought forward to the Thursday or played on the next available Monday,as currently happens if clubs agree postponement for a wedding.

I would feel that there are few outstanding games not played on schedule,as evidenced by the fixture list this year,Kilclief's dual success,allied to the fact that Div 3 has more teams anyway ,is the reason it dragged on.I agree that 4 weeks in July is unnecessary ,but would be against scrapping the July fortnight as it allows GAA members to plan holidays.

I feel the only solution to this quandry is to change our mindset,and have two seperate competitions as per Magniers league and Heiniken cup in Rugby,whereby one competition can plough ahead without county players if necessary,but there is a more prestigious competition ,?round/robin championship,when clubs like yourself will have all your players available.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 26, 2011, 01:35:38 PM
That is an interesting suggestion 6th sam but the difference in the magners league is that there is no relegation.  U will see on friday night that both Clonduff and Rostrevor will fight to the end to stay in the top division.  IMO it is vital to be at the highest level possible and playing the better teams wk in wk out in order to prepare for the championship.  It is the same with the county team.

If teams like Saval and Ballyholland are to develop and become championship contenders then imo they need to be playing top level football all the time.

Anyway that is getting off the point on the fixture chaos.  U can see that with all the different perspectives on this board, what a difficult job the county board has.  Alright they have made mistakes but the Burren and Kilclief situation is hardly their fault.

Maybe I am wrong but i also thought the extended break in July was due to Down playing and James insisting that the county players do not play and games and the clubs insisting that they were not going to play any more games without their county players than was originally agreed at the start of the year.  I stand by to be corrected on that one though.

There are no easy answers but would an earlier start solve the situation? Not sure it would.  Would getting rid of the playoffs solve it? Maybe but then that opens a whole new debate about teams playing without their county players throughout the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 26, 2011, 03:28:37 PM
I don't think there is a huge problem with the fixtures, it was simply bad planning this year. There was no dates allocated for 5 rounds of fixtures, this is what caused the problem. As long as its not repeated next year I would be happy enough but that is little consolation to tullylish and carryduff who are the main victims of this error.

Am I correct in thinking that the leagues in Down start in easter week every year, regardless of whether easter is early or late, that could be a reason for the late start this year. I would say our leagues were almost the last in Ireland to begin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 26, 2011, 03:34:06 PM
Ardtole, from my memory, the leagues start on the Sunday one week after the clocks go forward (unless it's Easter Sunday), which normally means the first Sunday in April. There's always a bugger of a fixture the following Friday evening that normally involves a one-hour drive for a 6.45pm throw in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 26, 2011, 04:54:51 PM
Wobbler - I wouldnt say that at all - over most of the last 6-7 years leagues have started around Easter Sunday / Monday.

The July break the last two years has been ridiculous. The old way of match Thursday and a match on Monday 2 and a half weeks later was best.

Start the leagues at the start of April - run them off 2 per week in Div 3 for 4 of the first 6-8 weeks and by the time the championship comes around you should have most games complete and the important games really start then. Playoff finals and championship finals scheduled to wrap up mid October would be the best to allow teams to plan for Ulster competitions / avail of a well deserved rest / go on the beer in Belfast.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 26, 2011, 05:32:14 PM
Anyone post this weeks fixtures for the games in Down please
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 26, 2011, 05:37:26 PM
Went back though old match reports from the website there.

Start dates for Leagues:

2003 - 11 April
2004 - 11 April
2005 - 15 April
2006 - 17 April
2007 - 13 April

I started to work for a living around this time, so don't have reports!

2011 - 15 April


Looks like it's been a pretty standard run of mid-April for a long time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on October 26, 2011, 07:17:35 PM
Reason for this season running on so long is that certain teams get better treatment than others. In 2009 kilcoo won the senior championship,right away they were told that they had to play ther league semi final playoff against byransford the next weekend,if they didn't agree to do so then they would loss the points.  So why is it burren get to tell the county board that they refuse to play thre play off match and nothing is said about it??? Is it that burren are a well known team and that kilcoo are just a small east down club?? Total disgrace that the div 1 league final is going to be on the 12th december. Down board are a joke,every other county are having a good laugh at them, paid to arrange a few fixtures looks too difficult for these donkeys,catch a grip plz
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on October 26, 2011, 08:54:42 PM
OMG!!! Just after getting confirmation there that the Div 1 final will take place on Sunday 11th of December. This is the earliest date for the league final due to the high possibility of Burren reaching an ulster final. I've also got word that there's a good chance of Mayobridge and Kilcoo pulling out of the league race due to the incompetence of our county board and the Burren club unwilling to play without McKernan. Why in previous years were the Bridge and Kilcoo forced to play league play off games between ulster championship matches, whilst Burren are allowed to call the shots and not to fulfill Thier league semi final fixture??? I feel really really sorry for the Bridge and Kilcoo as there last competitive march was almost 4 weeks ago and they are looking at another 6 weeks of training for potentially 1 or 2 games??? This situation is utter madness and once again our county is the laughing stock of ulster as an Armagh friend of mine put it to myself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weebob on October 26, 2011, 10:22:27 PM
alot of anti Burren on this site !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on October 26, 2011, 11:44:40 PM
What happened in the years Mayobridge got to the Ulster Final?? When was the league finals played in those years and was there one year Benny played for Ireland and Mayobridge got to Ulster final - did that have any bearing on the date?? Just wondering as its the closest thing to what Burren are experiencing at present....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weebob on October 27, 2011, 08:25:08 AM
The bridge had to listen to the same muck . Them kilcoo men are still a wee bit sore , Didn't the county board change the times of the minor & senior final to suit them in case they were in both  but it didn't work out for them and now their still crying ......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 27, 2011, 07:26:10 PM
Quote from: weebob on October 27, 2011, 08:25:08 AM
The bridge had to listen to the same muck . Them kilcoo men are still a wee bit sore , Didn't the county board change the times of the minor & senior final to suit them in case they were in both  but it didn't work out for them and now their still crying ......

I think you should get your facts right before coming out with shite like the above. The county boards decision to play the intermediate and senior finals on the same day was nothin all to do with Kilcoo, as we gladly would have played in both on the same day if results had have been different. (Remember 2009 we did so).
Yes we in Kilcoo are disapointed we didnt make the final, we had a terrible off day against Clonduff and our manager failed in his team selection and tactics, but our reasons to be annoyed at present are due to the fact we have to train for another 7 weeks with no competitive football.
Its a farce, as when we where in Ulster in 2009 we where forced to fulfill our league fixtures and play Bryansford in the simi final.
By the way its not Burren's fault, its down to the system and schedule that was in place, its just very frustrating when lads have to train for so long waiting on one game.
There is chat of us pulling out of the playoffs, i personally cannot see that happening.
Just hope we dont get a November/December weatherwise like we got last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weebob on October 27, 2011, 07:54:38 PM
Well if kilcoo want some silverware this year they will just have to keep at it . and thats no shite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 27, 2011, 08:01:12 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 27, 2011, 07:26:10 PM
Quote from: weebob on October 27, 2011, 08:25:08 AM
The bridge had to listen to the same muck . Them kilcoo men are still a wee bit sore , Didn't the county board change the times of the minor & senior final to suit them in case they were in both  but it didn't work out for them and now their still crying ......

I think you should get your facts right before coming out with shite like the above. The county boards decision to play the intermediate and senior finals on the same day was nothin all to do with Kilcoo, as we gladly would have played in both on the same day if results had have been different. (Remember 2009 we did so).
Yes we in Kilcoo are disapointed we didnt make the final, we had a terrible off day against Clonduff and our manager failed in his team selection and tactics, but our reasons to be annoyed at present are due to the fact we have to train for another 7 weeks with no competitive football.
Its a farce, as when we where in Ulster in 2009 we where forced to fulfill our league fixtures and play Bryansford in the simi final.
By the way its not Burren's fault, its down to the system and schedule that was in place, its just very frustrating when lads have to train for so long waiting on one game.
There is chat of us pulling out of the playoffs, i personally cannot see that happening.
Just hope we dont get a November/December weatherwise like we got last year.

if the county board have pencilled these games in for december, i would doubt very much the league final will be played this side of xmas
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 27, 2011, 08:59:50 PM
Its a very difficult situation all round.  I feel sorry for all 3 camps.

Obviously it must be hugely frustrating for Kilcoo and the bridge to have to sit around and wait until Burren are finished in the Ulster championship.  Its hardly fair to go into a game with no competitive football for wks against a side that has played county champions from other counties in ulster.  It would be very difficult to stay motivated during winter months to play one game in the middle of December.

From Burrens perspective would it be fair to make them play in a league semi final against their nearest and dearest rivals without arguable their best player, through no fault of their own?  Any Kilcoo or Bridge supporter who says they would be happy to play the match without Laverty or Coulter is a liar.  If McKernan wasnt away they would be made to play the game and rightly so.

Finally the county board are between a rock and a hard place.  What are they to do?  You obviously cant please everyone and on this occasion they have sided with the county champions as they did with the bridge when benny was in Oz.  Its unfortunate but Im not sure what a fair solution would have been and there was always going to be one side that was going to feel hard done by.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 27, 2011, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: weebob on October 27, 2011, 08:25:08 AM
The bridge had to listen to the same muck . Them kilcoo men are still a wee bit sore , Didn't the county board change the times of the minor & senior final to suit them in case they were in both  but it didn't work out for them and now their still crying ......

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on October 27, 2011, 09:34:52 PM
Weebob I don't think the kilcoo ones are abit sore but just pissed off having to wait on a game for 7 weeks,league shud be wraped up along time ago,don't blame burin one bit.I personally blame the county board,they don't have a clue.kilcoo will keep battling on as usual coz they always be playing at this time of year.they're bound to be sick of finishing top most years,cnt help being so consistent I guess! But newsy county board need to wake up,what is the point in starrin games an then calling them off,this is one of the reasons we are still trying to close this league out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on October 27, 2011, 10:26:59 PM
Could we not play the league games from a thursday til a sunday - play a couple from devision one, two, three and four each day and that way if kilcoo or burren or longstone cant fulfill their fixture on the evening they are supposed to - they have three other days to get it played over that weekend and if they dont - the other team gets the points.  play thurs one week, fri next week, then sat then sunday then back til thurs etc. some teams might play on a particular day more often than others - but next season correct that so that they dont.  This would also stop clubs using too many senior players in seconds games and might level out that league as well.  I seen the league final and Kilcoos team was littered with senior players and there is no excuse for that as they have loads of lads at present and some simply must be getting no football... Also it would give ya a chance to get around games at the weekend. at present you get to go watch one game or maybe two at the weekend and thats it - 4 would be good and all top quality...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 28, 2011, 12:31:42 AM
Quote from: alba2 on October 27, 2011, 10:26:59 PM
Could we not play the league games from a thursday til a sunday - play a couple from devision one, two, three and four each day and that way if kilcoo or burren or longstone cant fulfill their fixture on the evening they are supposed to - they have three other days to get it played over that weekend and if they dont - the other team gets the points.  play thurs one week, fri next week, then sat then sunday then back til thurs etc. some teams might play on a particular day more often than others - but next season correct that so that they dont.  This would also stop clubs using too many senior players in seconds games and might level out that league as well.  I seen the league final and Kilcoos team was littered with senior players and there is no excuse for that as they have loads of lads at present and some simply must be getting no football... Also it would give ya a chance to get around games at the weekend. at present you get to go watch one game or maybe two at the weekend and thats it - 4 would be good and all top quality...

I would imagine that would lead to more chaos-what about other fixtures outside of senior football ,eg under 16s on thursday night?
Fixture wise we are not far wrong,and better than most counties.Sean Rooney in my opinion does a superb job,he has to keep so many interests happy and has a good handling on fixtures.It is the system that creates difficulties,but also  I'm not sure some of the changes suggested here are workable.The recent changes in the league reduced Div 1 and 2 to 10 teams,and some clubs are only getting 19 games,but we are still playing football in November,and probably December.
In Div 3 Kilclief have a minumum of 6,maximum of 8 fixtures still to play.None of the participating teams flagged up this problem when the fixtures came out for approval,so we can hardly blame Sean and CCC for that.
In Div 4 the restructuring of the leagues effectively dropped  Div 3 standard teams into the lower tier.The 3 teams that were relegated from Div 3 last year were all unbeaten against all other Div 4 teams,handing out mostly heavy defeats,and demoralising teams to an extent that some later games weren't played.

Could the system below work:

Two distinct competitions in each of 3 grades,Senior,Intermediate,Junior:
1.Prestigious round robin league and championship competition:matches only played when county players available.(Heiniken Cup)

2.Slightly less prestigious league:all matches proceed regardless of county committments.(Magniers League)

1.16 teams at Senior level,2 round robin groups of 8 teams(seeded),play each other once,then top 4 in one section play other section top 4 in SFC "A" championship qf,while bottom 4 play similarly for SFC "B" Championship.The 4 quarter final losers having to play each other for seeding places in next years championship,with the bottom 2 placed teams regraded IFC next year.This gives a minumum of 9,maximum of 10 games with county players each year,in this "Heinikin cup" competition alone.County players can of course also play in "Magniers" league if county committments allow.

2.16 teams in Division 1,play each other once,15 games,top 4 semi final league playoffs,bottom 4 semi-final relegation playoffs.



Benefits:
Club football proceeds regardless of county football-regular football for club players,pressure off county players.Fringe county players can also be released to play in these fixtures if appropriate,and all county players free to play in these games,when fixtures allow,or their All-Ireland campaign finishes.Also this could allow club football to start late March.

minimum of 11 home gates for each club

no long delays waiting on fixtures to be played,ie Kilcoo waiting weeks on competitive match this year

all clubs playing each fixture date,with the exception of league or championship semis and finals if they dont qualify.

all club football completed by county finals weekend,3rd weekend in October to allow championship winners to concentrate on Ulster,or players to go to international rules, and all other clubs,to have a firm close season.

less pressure on club and other pitches when weather poor

There also can be flexibility applied to round robin groups so that,in the event of a prolonged All Ireland run,the round robin groups could be reduced to 4 groups of 4.

All matches competitive,No "dead rubber games" as league,and also round robin position confers seeding advantage the following year.

Every fixture can be set in stone at start of year,specific cut off dates for league,round robin competitions must be adhered to, allowing players and management to plan accordingly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 28, 2011, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 28, 2011, 12:31:42 AM
Quote from: alba2 on October 27, 2011, 10:26:59 PM
Could we not play the league games from a thursday til a sunday - play a couple from devision one, two, three and four each day and that way if kilcoo or burren or longstone cant fulfill their fixture on the evening they are supposed to - they have three other days to get it played over that weekend and if they dont - the other team gets the points.  play thurs one week, fri next week, then sat then sunday then back til thurs etc. some teams might play on a particular day more often than others - but next season correct that so that they dont.  This would also stop clubs using too many senior players in seconds games and might level out that league as well.  I seen the league final and Kilcoos team was littered with senior players and there is no excuse for that as they have loads of lads at present and some simply must be getting no football... Also it would give ya a chance to get around games at the weekend. at present you get to go watch one game or maybe two at the weekend and thats it - 4 would be good and all top quality...

I would imagine that would lead to more chaos-what about other fixtures outside of senior football ,eg under 16s on thursday night?
Fixture wise we are not far wrong,and better than most counties.Sean Rooney in my opinion does a superb job,he has to keep so many interests happy and has a good handling on fixtures.It is the system that creates difficulties,but also  I'm not sure some of the changes suggested here are workable.The recent changes in the league reduced Div 1 and 2 to 10 teams,and some clubs are only getting 19 games,but we are still playing football in November,and probably December.
In Div 3 Kilclief have a minumum of 6,maximum of 8 fixtures still to play.None of the participating teams flagged up this problem when the fixtures came out for approval,so we can hardly blame Sean and CCC for that.
In Div 4 the restructuring of the leagues effectively dropped  Div 3 standard teams into the lower tier.The 3 teams that were relegated from Div 3 last year were all unbeaten against all other Div 4 teams,handing out mostly heavy defeats,and demoralising teams to an extent that some later games weren't played.

Could the system below work:

Two distinct competitions in each of 3 grades,Senior,Intermediate,Junior:
1.Prestigious round robin league and championship competition:matches only played when county players available.(Heiniken Cup)

2.Slightly less prestigious league:all matches proceed regardless of county committments.(Magniers League)

1.16 teams at Senior level,2 round robin groups of 8 teams(seeded),play each other once,then top 4 in one section play other section top 4 in SFC "A" championship qf,while bottom 4 play similarly for SFC "B" Championship.The 4 quarter final losers having to play each other for seeding places in next years championship,with the bottom 2 placed teams regraded IFC next year.This gives a minumum of 9,maximum of 10 games with county players each year,in this "Heinikin cup" competition alone.County players can of course also play in "Magniers" league if county committments allow.

2.16 teams in Division 1,play each other once,15 games,top 4 semi final league playoffs,bottom 4 semi-final relegation playoffs.



Benefits:
Club football proceeds regardless of county football-regular football for club players,pressure off county players.Fringe county players can also be released to play in these fixtures if appropriate,and all county players free to play in these games,when fixtures allow,or their All-Ireland campaign finishes.Also this could allow club football to start late March.

minimum of 11 home gates for each club

no long delays waiting on fixtures to be played,ie Kilcoo waiting weeks on competitive match this year

all clubs playing each fixture date,with the exception of league or championship semis and finals if they dont qualify.

all club football completed by county finals weekend,3rd weekend in October to allow championship winners to concentrate on Ulster,or players to go to international rules, and all other clubs,to have a firm close season.

less pressure on club and other pitches when weather poor

There also can be flexibility applied to round robin groups so that,in the event of a prolonged All Ireland run,the round robin groups could be reduced to 4 groups of 4.

All matches competitive,No "dead rubber games" as league,and also round robin position confers seeding advantage the following year.

Every fixture can be set in stone at start of year,specific cut off dates for league,round robin competitions must be adhered to, allowing players and management to plan accordingly

6 Sams, Division 4 is there for a reason and the teams that are in it are there for a reason. By re-structuring the Leagues and taking some of the stronger teams out of Division 4 just so as the weaker teams don't get hammered now and again is ridiculous. Down's CCC has absolutely no obligation to change league structures just to stop weak teams taking the odd hammering.

Your suggestion of a SFC 'B' would not work. In essence what would winning a SFC 'B' mean to the likes of Kilcoo or Rostrevor etc. It would be a sham of a competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 28, 2011, 03:39:46 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 28, 2011, 02:39:43 PM
Division 4 is there for a reason and the teams that are in it are there for a reason. By re-structuring the Leagues and taking some of the stronger teams out of Division 4 just so as the weaker teams don't get hammered now and again is ridiculous. Down's CCC has absolutely no obligation to change league structures just to stop weak teams taking the odd hammering.

Your suggestion of a SFC 'B' would not work. In essence what would winning a SFC 'B' mean to the likes of Kilcoo or Rostrevor etc. It would be a sham of a competition.

The reason why I am suggesting that we look at our club football fixtures is that it is the single most frustrating issue for most GAA clubs.The four months Mid April to Mid August is  great with possibly the controversial exception of starred fixtures,(including the planned two weak break).After August the unpredictability of fixtures is an absolute disaster and I would argue that it is a very important factor in burnout/demotivation of players/management.This issue is particularly relevant for family men or those who do shift work.

The proposed SFC "B" championship shouldn't be viewed as a  "deal breaker" under this proposed system,it  is what it is,and whereas Kilcoo,Burren etc are unlikely to get excited about it,it keeps more clubs playing weekly games in August/September/October than the current system whereby most clubs are twiddling their thumbs,waiting on Tuesdays Irish News each week to see if they are playing or not.
The concept of "B" and even "C" Championships at underage level has proved a resounding success,why wouldn't it work at Senior level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on October 28, 2011, 05:43:04 PM
Alba2 I think that idea might work,maybe a wee bit confusing to some but it could work, I'd like to see something like that take off,if it works then that's great of not then at least we tried.you should get yourself a job with the county board,push them ejits on abit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on October 28, 2011, 05:48:19 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 28, 2011, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 28, 2011, 12:31:42 AM
Quote from: alba2 on October 27, 2011, 10:26:59 PM
Could we not play the league games from a thursday til a sunday - play a couple from devision one, two, three and four each day and that way if kilcoo or burren or longstone cant fulfill their fixture on the evening they are supposed to - they have three other days to get it played over that weekend and if they dont - the other team gets the points.  play thurs one week, fri next week, then sat then sunday then back til thurs etc. some teams might play on a particular day more often than others - but next season correct that so that they dont.  This would also stop clubs using too many senior players in seconds games and might level out that league as well.  I seen the league final and Kilcoos team was littered with senior players and there is no excuse for that as they have loads of lads at present and some simply must be getting no football... Also it would give ya a chance to get around games at the weekend. at present you get to go watch one game or maybe two at the weekend and thats it - 4 would be good and all top quality...

I would imagine that would lead to more chaos-what about other fixtures outside of senior football ,eg under 16s on thursday night?
Fixture wise we are not far wrong,and better than most counties.Sean Rooney in my opinion does a superb job,he has to keep so many interests happy and has a good handling on fixtures.It is the system that creates difficulties,but also  I'm not sure some of the changes suggested here are workable.The recent changes in the league reduced Div 1 and 2 to 10 teams,and some clubs are only getting 19 games,but we are still playing football in November,and probably December.
In Div 3 Kilclief have a minumum of 6,maximum of 8 fixtures still to play.None of the participating teams flagged up this problem when the fixtures came out for approval,so we can hardly blame Sean and CCC for that.
In Div 4 the restructuring of the leagues effectively dropped  Div 3 standard teams into the lower tier.The 3 teams that were relegated from Div 3 last year were all unbeaten against all other Div 4 teams,handing out mostly heavy defeats,and demoralising teams to an extent that some later games weren't played.

Could the system below work:

Two distinct competitions in each of 3 grades,Senior,Intermediate,Junior:
1.Prestigious round robin league and championship competition:matches only played when county players available.(Heiniken Cup)

2.Slightly less prestigious league:all matches proceed regardless of county committments.(Magniers League)

1.16 teams at Senior level,2 round robin groups of 8 teams(seeded),play each other once,then top 4 in one section play other section top 4 in SFC "A" championship qf,while bottom 4 play similarly for SFC "B" Championship.The 4 quarter final losers having to play each other for seeding places in next years championship,with the bottom 2 placed teams regraded IFC next year.This gives a minumum of 9,maximum of 10 games with county players each year,in this "Heinikin cup" competition alone.County players can of course also play in "Magniers" league if county committments allow.

2.16 teams in Division 1,play each other once,15 games,top 4 semi final league playoffs,bottom 4 semi-final relegation playoffs.



Benefits:
Club football proceeds regardless of county football-regular football for club players,pressure off county players.Fringe county players can also be released to play in these fixtures if appropriate,and all county players free to play in these games,when fixtures allow,or their All-Ireland campaign finishes.Also this could allow club football to start late March.

minimum of 11 home gates for each club

no long delays waiting on fixtures to be played,ie Kilcoo waiting weeks on competitive match this year

all clubs playing each fixture date,with the exception of league or championship semis and finals if they dont qualify.

all club football completed by county finals weekend,3rd weekend in October to allow championship winners to concentrate on Ulster,or players to go to international rules, and all other clubs,to have a firm close season.

less pressure on club and other pitches when weather poor

There also can be flexibility applied to round robin groups so that,in the event of a prolonged All Ireland run,the round robin groups could be reduced to 4 groups of 4.

All matches competitive,No "dead rubber games" as league,and also round robin position confers seeding advantage the following year.

Every fixture can be set in stone at start of year,specific cut off dates for league,round robin competitions must be adhered to, allowing players and management to plan accordingly

6 Sams, Division 4 is there for a reason and the teams that are in it are there for a reason. By re-structuring the Leagues and taking some of the stronger teams out of Division 4 just so as the weaker teams don't get hammered now and again is ridiculous. Down's CCC has absolutely no obligation to change league structures just to stop weak teams taking the odd hammering.

Your suggestion of a SFC 'B' would not work. In essence what would winning a SFC 'B' mean to the likes of Kilcoo or Rostrevor etc. It would be a sham of a competition.

Kilcoo would be happy to win a 'b' championship.  Like they have only 1 'a' championship in 75 or more years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on October 28, 2011, 06:54:33 PM
Here comes 6 shut your mouth,slobbering on like that.kilcoo are one of the top teams in div 1 this past 10 years,championships aren't easy won but I'd say you knw dam all about winning one. Many people recognize them every year as one of the teams to beat.don't think you knw a big lot about anything
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 28, 2011, 07:49:47 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 28, 2011, 12:31:42 AM
Quote from: alba2 on October 27, 2011, 10:26:59 PM
Could we not play the league games from a thursday til a sunday - play a couple from devision one, two, three and four each day and that way if kilcoo or burren or longstone cant fulfill their fixture on the evening they are supposed to - they have three other days to get it played over that weekend and if they dont - the other team gets the points.  play thurs one week, fri next week, then sat then sunday then back til thurs etc. some teams might play on a particular day more often than others - but next season correct that so that they dont.  This would also stop clubs using too many senior players in seconds games and might level out that league as well.  I seen the league final and Kilcoos team was littered with senior players and there is no excuse for that as they have loads of lads at present and some simply must be getting no football... Also it would give ya a chance to get around games at the weekend. at present you get to go watch one game or maybe two at the weekend and thats it - 4 would be good and all top quality...

I would imagine that would lead to more chaos-what about other fixtures outside of senior football ,eg under 16s on thursday night?
Fixture wise we are not far wrong,and better than most counties.Sean Rooney in my opinion does a superb job,he has to keep so many interests happy and has a good handling on fixtures.It is the system that creates difficulties,but also  I'm not sure some of the changes suggested here are workable.The recent changes in the league reduced Div 1 and 2 to 10 teams,and some clubs are only getting 19 games,but we are still playing football in November,and probably December.
In Div 3 Kilclief have a minumum of 6,maximum of 8 fixtures still to play.None of the participating teams flagged up this problem when the fixtures came out for approval,so we can hardly blame Sean and CCC for that.
In Div 4 the restructuring of the leagues effectively dropped  Div 3 standard teams into the lower tier.The 3 teams that were relegated from Div 3 last year were all unbeaten against all other Div 4 teams,handing out mostly heavy defeats,and demoralising teams to an extent that some later games weren't played.

Could the system below work:

Two distinct competitions in each of 3 grades,Senior,Intermediate,Junior:
1.Prestigious round robin league and championship competition:matches only played when county players available.(Heiniken Cup)

2.Slightly less prestigious league:all matches proceed regardless of county committments.(Magniers League)

1.16 teams at Senior level,2 round robin groups of 8 teams(seeded),play each other once,then top 4 in one section play other section top 4 in SFC "A" championship qf,while bottom 4 play similarly for SFC "B" Championship.The 4 quarter final losers having to play each other for seeding places in next years championship,with the bottom 2 placed teams regraded IFC next year.This gives a minumum of 9,maximum of 10 games with county players each year,in this "Heinikin cup" competition alone.County players can of course also play in "Magniers" league if county committments allow.

2.16 teams in Division 1,play each other once,15 games,top 4 semi final league playoffs,bottom 4 semi-final relegation playoffs.



Benefits:
Club football proceeds regardless of county football-regular football for club players,pressure off county players.Fringe county players can also be released to play in these fixtures if appropriate,and all county players free to play in these games,when fixtures allow,or their All-Ireland campaign finishes.Also this could allow club football to start late March.

minimum of 11 home gates for each club

no long delays waiting on fixtures to be played,ie Kilcoo waiting weeks on competitive match this year

all clubs playing each fixture date,with the exception of league or championship semis and finals if they dont qualify.

all club football completed by county finals weekend,3rd weekend in October to allow championship winners to concentrate on Ulster,or players to go to international rules, and all other clubs,to have a firm close season.

less pressure on club and other pitches when weather poor

There also can be flexibility applied to round robin groups so that,in the event of a prolonged All Ireland run,the round robin groups could be reduced to 4 groups of 4.

All matches competitive,No "dead rubber games" as league,and also round robin position confers seeding advantage the following year.

Every fixture can be set in stone at start of year,specific cut off dates for league,round robin competitions must be adhered to, allowing players and management to plan accordingly

As soon as the master fixture list was released, umpire (i think) highlighted the error with div 3, it was obvious immediately there was going to be a balls up at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blueannavy on October 28, 2011, 08:07:24 PM
Rostrevor and clonduff 3 each at half time !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 28, 2011, 09:22:24 PM
Down ACFL Division 1 Relegation Playoff
Clonduff 1-07  Rostrevor 0-08

Rostrevor banished to Division 2. Anyone hazard a guess when was the last time they have played out of the top division?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 28, 2011, 09:27:46 PM
Something clicks in my head that Rostrevor were in D2 for a season in 1996.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on October 28, 2011, 09:40:51 PM
Feel sorry for Rostrevor keeper. Massive error for Clonduff goal. Looks like the ball blew off tee as he kicked it. Awful night for football so not much to report about
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 28, 2011, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 28, 2011, 09:27:46 PM
Something clicks in my head that Rostrevor were in D2 for a season in 1996.

They were alrite wobbler. Ardglass spent a season in div 2 in 96 and we played rostrevor that season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on October 28, 2011, 11:23:54 PM
Are the playoffs a thing we need to move away from.  Top team in division one - champions, Bottom two relegated.  keep this for the other divisions as well.  There is gonna be the argument that the county players are missing etc - Rostrevor had no county players this year and are now relegated.... Two weeks ago they looked relatively safe - defeat against the stone and then Clonduff beating Burren last week dragged them into it big time... If bottom two go down it will stop football at the gutters time of the year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 28, 2011, 11:50:32 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 28, 2011, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 28, 2011, 09:27:46 PM
Something clicks in my head that Rostrevor were in D2 for a season in 1996.

They were alrite wobbler. Ardglass spent a season in div 2 in 96 and we played rostrevor that season.

Ardglass play Rostrever in Rostrevor. i remember a 16 year old Ardglass corner forward up against Finbar Caulfield. its was a mismatch. Now not sure if Rostrevor can get out of 2nd Div next year. you have An Riocht, Loughinisland, Liatriom, Warrenpoint and Shamrocks all capable to finish in top 2.  Really feel sorry for Rostrevor with a small slice of luck they could have finished on 15points. They got 9 points on first 9 games and at that stage they knew that they need another 6 to make it to 15 points but they only got 4 in last 9 games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 29, 2011, 12:08:09 AM
Quote from: alba2 on October 28, 2011, 11:23:54 PM
Are the playoffs a thing we need to move away from.  Top team in division one - champions, Bottom two relegated.  keep this for the other divisions as well.  There is gonna be the argument that the county players are missing etc - Rostrevor had no county players this year and are now relegated.... Two weeks ago they looked relatively safe - defeat against the stone and then Clonduff beating Burren last week dragged them into it big time... If bottom two go down it will stop football at the gutters time of the year.

There are so many factors to be taken into account with fixtures,and Seán Rooney's task is an almost impossible one, which he does extremely well.I think it is perfectly reasonable,all things considered to play club football until the end of  October,as this is required to give us a 7 month season.This gives a close season of two months+,a pre-season of two months+,and ready to start again in March/April,with club pitches having been rested over the winter.Finishing any earlier either means unacceptable shortening of the season,or starting earlier(February/March football would destroy club pitches for the rest of the season).We need to be careful that calls not to play matches in the gutters in October are not actually motivated by clubs not wishing to clash with the soccer season.

Our fixture plan is very good under the current system.However,I have two difficulties with the current system:
1. the glut of fixtures in the 11-12 weeks from mid April to early July.
2. the paucity of fixtures outside of those months.

Any improvement of the current system ,must not hinder the development of clubs with county players,must protect county players,and must provide more regular fixed date football for all.

Perhaps we can't improve on our current system,but it's certainly worth debating to see if there are any workable improvements out there.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 29, 2011, 12:52:45 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 28, 2011, 09:27:46 PM
Something clicks in my head that Rostrevor were in D2 for a season in 1996.

Remember an interview with pj Magee in the down year book 98 whilst in charge of rostrevor. They scrapped out of 2 and ended up winning championship two years later. Incredible for all their success of recent underage football to be plying their trade in the second tier. I believe at the same time Saval amalgamating at various underage levels to field a team. Funny old game as they say
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 29, 2011, 11:01:31 AM
Quote from: umpire on October 28, 2011, 11:50:32 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 28, 2011, 10:59:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 28, 2011, 09:27:46 PM
Something clicks in my head that Rostrevor were in D2 for a season in 1996.

They were alrite wobbler. Ardglass spent a season in div 2 in 96 and we played rostrevor that season.

Ardglass play Rostrever in Rostrevor. i remember a 16 year old Ardglass corner forward up against Finbar Caulfield. its was a mismatch. Now not sure if Rostrevor can get out of 2nd Div next year. you have An Riocht, Loughinisland, Liatriom, Warrenpoint and Shamrocks all capable to finish in top 2.  Really feel sorry for Rostrevor with a small slice of luck they could have finished on 15points. They got 9 points on first 9 games and at that stage they knew that they need another 6 to make it to 15 points but they only got 4 in last 9 games.

Ardglass actually won their first 3 games that season but around 6 of that team went to usa and we didnt have the strength in depth to compete at all that year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 30, 2011, 03:07:47 PM
Dundrum relegated beat by hungrier St johns team. Bad day for our club. Pity for our manager paul shields who in all my time of playing football with school and club is easily one of the best  managers I have played under and I wish him well in the future because with talent at his disposal will do a fine job if an opportunity arises.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 30, 2011, 03:26:53 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 30, 2011, 03:07:47 PM
Dundrum relegated beat by hungrier St johns team. Bad day for our club. Pity for our manager paul shields who in all my time of playing football with school and club is easily one of the best  managers I have played under and I wish him well in the future because with talent at his disposal will do a fine job if an opportunity arises.

St Johns by far the better team. Wanted it so much more than our boys. 2-14 to 0-10.

I concur with Dundrumite in saying that Paul Shields is the best manager ive come across in my time and any club in the top flight would do well to acquire his services.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 30, 2011, 07:11:54 PM
Burt 1-7 Bredagh 1-6
Bit of a heartbreak at an excellent Letterkenny set-up in near perfect conditions for October.Donal Hughes picked up where he left off in the county final with an excellent goal in the fifith minute following good work by Kevin Harte. Unfortunately Bredagh literally took their eyes off the ball and hesitant defending allowed a soft equaliser within two minutes. Burt played effective Jim Mc Guinness football to score three unanswered points before Brian Rice (2), Kealan Devlin and John Mc Kenna put the Belfast men in front. Hughes hit the post when the ref allowed advantage in the square but two soft frees saw Burt ahead by one at the interval.
The second half was even tighter and you knew it was going to be nip and tuck to the end .Bredagh struggled to penetrate the blanket defence and were restricted to long range shooting- only Henry Deazley and Rice found the target to leave it all-square in the 59th minute.Burt captain and Donegal Hurler Enda Mc Dermott then stepped up to the plate and following a strong run from defence, sent the winning score over from 45 metres. The only blot on the victory was a straight red for full-forward Joseph Boyle but a long journey home for the brave Down champions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 30, 2011, 07:42:33 PM
Was annaclone match not on this wkend??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on October 30, 2011, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on October 30, 2011, 07:11:54 PM
Burt 1-7 Bredagh 1-6
Bit of a heartbreak at an excellent Letterkenny set-up in near perfect conditions for October.Donal Hughes picked up where he left off in the county final with an excellent goal in the fifith minute following good work by Kevin Harte. Unfortunately Bredagh literally took their eyes off the ball and hesitant defending allowed a soft equaliser within two minutes. Burt played effective Jim Mc Guinness football to score three unanswered points before Brian Rice (2), Kealan Devlin and John Mc Kenna put the Belfast men in front. Hughes hit the post when the ref allowed advantage in the square but two soft frees saw Burt ahead by one at the interval.
The second half was even tighter and you knew it was going to be nip and tuck to the end .Bredagh struggled to penetrate the blanket defence and were restricted to long range shooting- only Henry Deazley and Rice found the target to leave it all-square in the 59th minute.Burt captain and Donegal Hurler Enda Mc Dermott then stepped up to the plate and following a strong run from defence, sent the winning score over from 45 metres. The only blot on the victory was a straight red for full-forward Joseph Boyle but a long journey home for the brave Down champions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 30, 2011, 09:49:48 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 30, 2011, 07:42:33 PM
Was annaclone match not on this wkend??

On Downgaa website.
Annaclone  - - Ballymartin  Ballykinlar 05/11/2011 14:00
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lecale4 on October 30, 2011, 09:53:14 PM
Dubh Droicht is right about the early Donal Hughes chance - he was rugby tackled in the square - but as the ball broke and hit the post the ref apparently played advantage! He lapped all the big decisions - early yellow to 13 from Burt when it should have been red. Then called him over with 5 to go to book him again - realised he would have to send him off and waved him away - 13 scored the winner a minute later.

The umpire made the decision for him in injury time to produce a straight red - of course he didn't add on time.

Burt were typical Donegal - fair play to them if that's what you want to do week on week - have to agree with Spillane - puke (or maybe sour grapes). Very disappointed!!

 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on October 30, 2011, 11:43:28 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 30, 2011, 09:49:48 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 30, 2011, 07:42:33 PM
Was annaclone match not on this wkend??

On Downgaa website.
Annaclone  - - Ballymartin  Ballykinlar 05/11/2011 14:00
Why was this game not played today???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 31, 2011, 09:02:39 AM
Which club currently in Division 1 has maintained division 1 status for the longest?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 31, 2011, 09:31:06 AM
Quote from: amallon on October 31, 2011, 09:02:39 AM
Which club currently in Division 1 has maintained division 1 status for the longest?

Has to be Burren, everyone else has spent at least a season in division 2 from the 90s onwards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on October 31, 2011, 09:47:03 AM
No1 what happened yesterday. I believe you cam out on the wrong end of a bad loss. Two off in the first half couldnt have helped. Was there a gap between the two team intermediate teams? Craigbane would be a strong enough outfit in Derry and will push hard for another Ulster Championship and promotion to Div 1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 31, 2011, 02:07:09 PM
What about Clonduff when did they last get relegated?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 31, 2011, 03:32:08 PM
Quote from: amallon on October 31, 2011, 02:07:09 PM
What about Clonduff when did they last get relegated?

I thought they spent a year in division 2 in 2000s but maybe not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: real food, real people on October 31, 2011, 03:36:27 PM
Kilclief had a bad day at the office yesterday, it happens. although think they have more than enough on their plate getting the rest of their league fixtures out of the way!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weebob on October 31, 2011, 04:44:56 PM
burren have always stayed in div1 so has kilcoo since been promoted the bridge came form div4 to div1 in Mickey lindens time dont know if they ever dropped back , but Burren have never dropped and would have the longest status in div 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on October 31, 2011, 06:21:28 PM
clonduff were relegated in mid 90's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 31, 2011, 09:07:28 PM
Our terrible record in the Ulster IFC and JFC continued at the weekend with Kilclief getting slaughtered and Bredagh being beat by a point. None of our teams have ever been able to make an impact at these grades.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 02, 2011, 10:26:51 AM
In this year Rostrevor's top scorers list.
Goalkeeper Jonathhan Parr is his club leading goalscorer joiintly with Anthony Donnan !   
He also 3rd place in points tally with 4.16 !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on November 02, 2011, 10:30:12 AM
why are the county back training so much at the minute....  its a long year ahead for some lads... Clonduff and rostrevor lads are just literally finished their season on friday last week and are straight into training this week.... where is the break for lads like these??? I know its only weights and that - but mentally the lads need a break.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on November 02, 2011, 02:50:49 PM
Read in the Irish News today that Conor Gough has been asked to join the County for training. That is a bit of a coup especially when he has played minor for Armagh. I don't think the Armagh county board will sit back and let that happen!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 02, 2011, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: Down Mad on November 02, 2011, 02:50:49 PM
Read in the Irish News today that Conor Gough has been asked to join the County for training. That is a bit of a coup especially when he has played minor for Armagh. I don't think the Armagh county board will sit back and let that happen!

If I remember rightly was there not some stipulation when he transferred from Lissumon to Shamrocks that he still had to play his county football with Armagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on November 02, 2011, 04:07:10 PM
I may be wrong but I think in order to play for Down (at minor anyway) that you have to live in the parish of the club you play for. (?)

AFAIK Gough lives out the road between Poyntzpass and Newry, in Co Armagh so he was able to play for Armagh but not Down.

I base this on a friend of mine a few years back who played youth football for an Armagh club but didn't want to play minor for Armagh, so moved to his parish club across the border in Co Down in order to play with Down minors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 02, 2011, 04:18:34 PM
When you sign an intercounty transfer form, you indicate which county you would like to represent (even if it's a junior b transfer).

Changing which county you represent should be a formality, as long as you can prove your link to the new county (living in it, originally from it, playing for a club in it). After all, who can really object in these instance? It's not a parish-level political exercise for the GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on November 03, 2011, 12:07:28 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 02, 2011, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: Down Mad on November 02, 2011, 02:50:49 PM
Read in the Irish News today that Conor Gough has been asked to join the County for training. That is a bit of a coup especially when he has played minor for Armagh. I don't think the Armagh county board will sit back and let that happen!

If I remember rightly was there not some stipulation when he transferred from Lissumon to Shamrocks that he still had to play his county football with Armagh?

How could that be the case? It isn't as if transfers can be undone. You can't say to him, "you have not honoured the agreement so now you have to go back to play for Lissumon". Any conditions would have be fulfilled before the transfer paper is signed, after that he can do what he likes. Perhaps the deal was that he would play for Armagh last year?

Anyway, it will be good to have him with us, I would expect he will be used to improve the U21 panel which although short of Coalan Mooney and Shay McCartan, should be one of the strongest we have had in many years. 2009 was a very successful year, this group would have the same potential I feel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on November 03, 2011, 06:05:26 PM
Johnny Parr has had a great year for Rostrevor, Pity about the bad stroke of luck he had, which in-tern relegated his team from Division 1. I understand he has been called up to the County Senior set up with Bernard Connell from Drumgath getting another go at it.

Concerning Conor Gough, I would say the Armagh County board will be doing their best to get him playing in the Orange jersey once again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on November 03, 2011, 10:44:10 PM
Hope to see Gough in red and black will be a good one would rather have him than to be playing against him in a few years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 04, 2011, 11:03:13 AM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on November 03, 2011, 06:05:26 PM
Johnny Parr has had a great year for Rostrevor, Pity about the bad stroke of luck he had, which in-tern relegated his team from Division 1. I understand he has been called up to the County Senior set up with Bernard Connell from Drumgath getting another go at it.

Concerning Conor Gough, I would say the Armagh County board will be doing their best to get him playing in the Orange jersey once again.

any others invited that werent on last years panal?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on November 05, 2011, 03:00:06 PM
Any updates on the division 2 relegation match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 05, 2011, 04:14:23 PM
Quote from: John Martin on November 05, 2011, 03:00:06 PM
Any updates on the division 2 relegation match?

Ballymartin relegated. Annaclone 2-09 Ballymartin 0-09.

Its been a very long time since Ballymartin were in Divisiiion 3.


Championship Placings for 2012

SFC
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Burren
Bryansford
Ballyholland
Clonduff
Saval
Longstone
An Riocht
Rostrevor
Castlewellan
Downpatrick
Liatroim
Loughinisland
Shamrocks
Kilclief


IFC
Annaclone
Warrenpoint
Clann na Banna
Ballymartin
Drumgath
Tullylish
Carryduff
Darragh Cross
Bosco
Glasdrumman
Glenn
Atticall
Ardglass
St Johns
Saul
Bredagh

JFC
Drumaness
Dundrum
Mitchels
Dromara
St Pauls
Bright
Teconnaught
St Michaels
Aghaderg
Aughlisnafin
Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 45 on November 05, 2011, 04:15:08 PM
Ballymartin relegated
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on November 06, 2011, 07:41:35 PM
Quote from: 45 on November 05, 2011, 04:15:08 PM
Ballymartin relegated

Any reaction from ballymartin about their demotion?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 06, 2011, 07:45:33 PM
It was a poor season for all the mourne clubs. Ballymartin were relegated, so were the Kingdom, Longstone struggled all year and just about stayed up. Atticall and Glasdrumman were very disappointing in Div 3 and never really threatened any of the play-off spots.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 06, 2011, 08:30:07 PM
Very true Ard an extremely disappointing season for all those clubs, although Gregorys arrival in the stone could be hailed as a success story as they looked dead and burried earlier in the year, would be interesting to hear from any posters from those clubs, I know longstone and ballymartin have both been badly hit by work commitments overseas and emmigration to Aus, Is peter fitzpatrick currently planning on going?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on November 06, 2011, 09:57:54 PM
James Colgan (New Zealand) and Peter Fitzpatrick (Aus) are both away due to our current economic situation. I am led to believe that the Kingdom and Liatroim are the two worst hit clubs due to emigration with Colly McCrickard also leaving for Aus last week.

Its so sad to hear of our clubs losing all these guys and the only clubs from what I hear have lost very few are the clubs doing well at the moment such as Burren, Kilcoo and the Bridge. How are they managing to keep so many of there boys at home?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 07, 2011, 06:46:52 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on November 06, 2011, 09:57:54 PM
James Colgan (New Zealand) and Peter Fitzpatrick (Aus) are both away due to our current economic situation. I am led to believe that the Kingdom and Liatroim are the two worst hit clubs due to emigration with Colly McCrickard also leaving for Aus last week.

Its so sad to hear of our clubs losing all these guys and the only clubs from what I hear have lost very few are the clubs doing well at the moment such as Burren, Kilcoo and the Bridge. How are they managing to keep so many of there boys at home?

I v heard the ford have lost a few young lads too, Kilcoo are losing lads, they have men in London and Down under, maybe some could be home, I sure MDG would know. Burren and the bridge, did they not lose half their team to America, ok just for the summer but no club is not affected in these tough times and probably tougher times ahead for the clubs especially the small rural clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on November 08, 2011, 11:56:31 AM
See Kilclief are now playing their games in hand. They will surely overtake Tullylish and finish top! That means a Carryduff v Tullylish playoff for an automatic promotion and league final place. A tough one to call. Two evenly matched teams, it will be down to who wants it most on the day especially in heavy conditions as it will surely be. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 08, 2011, 04:17:24 PM
Quote from: Down Mad on November 08, 2011, 11:56:31 AM
See Kilclief are now playing their games in hand. They will surely overtake Tullylish and finish top! That means a Carryduff v Tullylish playoff for an automatic promotion and league final place. A tough one to call. Two evenly matched teams, it will be down to who wants it most on the day especially in heavy conditions as it will surely be. Any thoughts?

Tullylish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on November 08, 2011, 06:46:57 PM
An Riocht have a total of 32 senior footballers either in Auz, NZ or USA. and anyone of the 30 would be challenging for a starting place on our senior team, so for use to still be in the top 2 teirs of down football is incredible...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 09, 2011, 10:33:21 AM
Must have had some numbers at training when everyone was there..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 09, 2011, 10:49:03 AM
Anyone been at any u21 games around the county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on November 09, 2011, 11:58:38 AM
Quote from: supersub on November 09, 2011, 10:33:21 AM
Must have had some numbers at training when everyone was there..

Yeah ur right pushing 60 everynight!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 09, 2011, 04:51:16 PM
Quote from: Down Mad on November 08, 2011, 11:56:31 AM
See Kilclief are now playing their games in hand. They will surely overtake Tullylish and finish top! That means a Carryduff v Tullylish playoff for an automatic promotion and league final place. A tough one to call. Two evenly matched teams, it will be down to who wants it most on the day especially in heavy conditions as it will surely be. Any thoughts?

Tullylish should beat Carryduff. Carryduff aren't great and despite their vast resources they are a top end Division 3 team at best. No matter who goes up with Kilclief, both teams will be out of their depth in Division 2 and Id expect them back in Division 3 come 2013.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 09, 2011, 05:18:25 PM
County's Latest Proposals to be voted on at the next County Board meeting.



Proposal for re-structuring of Division 3 and the doing away of Division 4

3A                       3B
Ballymartin          Drumgath
Tullylish           Kilclief
Carryduff           Darragh Cross
St John Bosco    Glasdrumman
Glenn            Atticall
Ardglass          St John's
Dundrum           Mitchel's
Saul            Drumaness
Bredagh            Dromara
St Paul's               Bright
Teconnaught       St Michaels
Aghaderg             Aughlisnafin
Ballykinlar   
   

In 2012 there would be no Division 4 but rather a Division 3a and 3B this would be an honest attempt to assist those smaller Clubs with more regional based fixtures which would have hopefully the two fold purpose of cutting down travel costs but in turn maximising home gates. These leagues include Kilclief, Carryduff and Tullylish but in 2012 only one of these teams will be still in Division 3 and thus there will need to be adjustment once the final permutations are known, we are asking that you support this in principle.

The two top teams in 3A and 3B would meet in Semi Finals with the top two teams then gaining promotion to Division 2.
There would be no relegation and as such would stop the yo yo effect of some teams between Division 3 and 4, we need to open the opportunity to people to play in Division 2, this gives Clubs the opportunity to grasp that chance to play in Division 2 and a high level of senior football for a season as opposed to getting one game in a Senior Championship as an amalgamation.
Here there is a real opportunity for Clubs to play in Division 2 if they are good enough.




2012 Senior Championship Proposal:

Preliminary Rd
An initial open draw will take place including the 16 teams currently eligible for the 2012 Senior Football Championship at the conclusion of the 2011 playing season

Sample draw: (winners marked in red)
A v B
C v D
E v F
G v H
I v J
K v L
M v N
O v P

2012 Senior Football Championship Round 1:
Following the preliminary Rd – the 8 WINNERS (marked in red) will be entered into a pot where they will be drawn to play each other (SECTION A).

The 8 LOSERS (marked in black) will also be entered into a pot where they will be drawn to play each other (SECTION B)

Sample draw:
SECTION A 
(Winning teams in Preliminary Round)
A v C
E v G
I v K
M v O
(The winner of each tie is marked in Blue. These clubs will progress automatically to the Senior Championship Quarter Finals.
The losers will be entered into a pot with the winning teams in SECTION B)

SECTION B
(Losing teams in the Preliminary Round
B v D
F v H
J v L
N v P
(The winner of each tie is marked in Green. These clubs will be entered into a pot with the losing teams from SECTION A.
The losers of these ties will be entered into a pot to fight for Senior Championship status in 2013)


2012 Senior Football Championship Round 2:
The 4 losing from SECTION A will be drawn out against the four winning teams from SECTION B.

Sample draw:
A v B
G v F
I v L
O v N
(The winner of each tie is marked in Purple. These teams will progress to the Senior Championship Quarter Finals.
The 4 losing teams will be entered into the pot to fight for Senior Championship Status in 2013




2012 Senior Football Championship Quarter Finals:
C
E
K
M
B
G
L
O
(These 8 Teams will be entered into an open draw, with the 4 winners progressing to the Senior Championship Semi Finals)



Pot for Championship Status in 2013
B
H
J
P
A
F
I
N
(These clubs will be entered into an open draw. The first 4 winners will be guaranteed Senior Championship Status in 2013.

The 4 losing teams will be drawn out against each other, with the 2 winners of these games being guaranteed Senior Championship Status in 2013.

The 2 losing teams will be entered into a playoff match, with the winners securing Senior Championship Status in 2013.

The losing team will drop to the Intermediate Championship in 2013, being replaced by the Intermediate winners from 2012.


In the event of an amalgamated team(s) entering the Senior Football Championship then there would be the provision to have a round of game(s) before the preliminary Round.

The base principle with these proposals is that in 2012 Clubs would have to win two games to make the Quarter Finals of the Championship and every Club is in fact guaranteed at least 3 games in the Championship. It will take a team 5 games to win the Championship and for a team to stay in the senior Championship for 2013 they may have to play 5 games also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on November 09, 2011, 06:17:58 PM
Doing away with 4 would result in more competitive matches throughout the season.  This can only be a good thing. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 09, 2011, 06:37:06 PM
Quote from: outinfront on November 09, 2011, 06:17:58 PM
Doing away with 4 would result in more competitive matches throughout the season.  This can only be a good thing.

It would just mean greater margins between those at top and bottom in each division. Can't see it going through
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 45 on November 09, 2011, 06:40:38 PM
How do you sort who your teams are for the junior championship with that divisional structure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 09, 2011, 07:12:14 PM
Quote from: outinfront on November 09, 2011, 06:17:58 PM
Doing away with 4 would result in more competitive matches throughout the season.  This can only be a good thing.

It will infact do the opposite. The proposed re-structuring only serves to provide the opportunity for current Division 4 teams to take the brunt of heavier and more sustained hammerings.

This proposal is a nonsense and Id hope that all clubs see sense and vote against it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on November 09, 2011, 07:34:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 09, 2011, 05:18:25 PM
County's Latest Proposals to be voted on at the next County Board meeting.


When is the next County Board meeting when this will be up for discussion?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 09, 2011, 07:39:07 PM
Quote from: Out in Front on November 09, 2011, 07:34:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 09, 2011, 05:18:25 PM
County's Latest Proposals to be voted on at the next County Board meeting.


When is the next County Board meeting when this will be up for discussion?

Vote being taken on it on the 24th of November.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 09, 2011, 08:45:02 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 09, 2011, 07:12:14 PM
Quote from: outinfront on November 09, 2011, 06:17:58 PM
Doing away with 4 would result in more competitive matches throughout the season.  This can only be a good thing.

It will infact do the opposite. The proposed re-structuring only serves to provide the opportunity for current Division 4 teams to take the brunt of heavier and more sustained hammerings.

This proposal is a nonsense and Id hope that all clubs see sense and vote against it.

Dont count on it.
This is the same crowd who thought it appropriate to approve the new County Clubs Draw after all.
Really wonder what some of club reps are thhinkin half the time they go to these county board meetings.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 09, 2011, 09:17:58 PM
3b in particular looks particulary lob-sided, the bottom 7 teams would get murdered by by the top 4 or 5. When there is no relegation, teams have nothing to play for, this will lead to players losing interest, teams not fielding etc. I think since the leagues restructured, no club can feel agrieved at what league they are in. The leagues all seem to be quite competitive, yet there are distinct differences in quality between 1&2, 2&3 and 3&4, and this is the way it should be.

Teams that come up from div 4 generally struggle in div 3, and the same goes for newly promoted teams in other divisions. I dont think there is much wrong with our structures, they are very good actually. I think at this time of year we get proposals just for proposals sake, I dont expect to see this new system in action.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 09, 2011, 09:36:56 PM
Daft proposal for the SFC. For the next few years there's only 3-4 clubs in Down have any chance of winning a SFC, and all this does is take three times as long to reach that conclusion. I hope it's not only defeated, but all proposals like this could somehow be banned for 5 years. Whichever club dreamt it up needs a good shoeing.

The league proposal does make sense to me. Yep there's going to be a few slappings handed out, but the greatest challenge to the likes of the Fin is getting commitment from players. Shorter trips, more derbies, and a better standard can only have a positive effect on them in the medium term.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on November 09, 2011, 10:00:07 PM
Current structures aren't a problem - it is the scheduling of the fixtures that is the problem. That proposal could only make things worse! 2 championsip games that you lose then a further 3 games to survive in the senior championship. Throw in league relegation playoffs and prelimiary rounds for amalgamations and a decent All Ireland run for the county and there will be madness. The rescheduling of a few years ago has only just had its first year as a settled system. Give it time to settle down before messing with it again.

Majority of Div 3 clubs will vote against the 3a and 3b proposal I would think. I don't see how it gives clubs a better chance of reaching Div 2. still 2 teams go up and some teams are never going to challenge to go up no matter how much restructuring takes place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on November 09, 2011, 11:29:50 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 09, 2011, 05:18:25 PM
County's Latest Proposals to be voted on at the next County Board meeting.



Proposal for re-structuring of Division 3 and the doing away of Division 4

3A                       3B
Ballymartin          Drumgath
Tullylish           Kilclief
Carryduff           Darragh Cross
St John Bosco    Glasdrumman
Glenn            Atticall
Ardglass          St John's
Dundrum           Mitchel's
Saul            Drumaness
Bredagh            Dromara
St Paul's               Bright
Teconnaught       St Michaels
Aghaderg             Aughlisnafin
Ballykinlar   
   

In 2012 there would be no Division 4 but rather a Division 3a and 3B this would be an honest attempt to assist those smaller Clubs with more regional based fixtures which would have hopefully the two fold purpose of cutting down travel costs but in turn maximising home gates.

thats a farce of a proposal

Carryduff and Bredagh would be travelling to Bosco and Ballymartin, Darragh would be travelling to Drumgath, Mitchels and Atticall - if regionalising is their aim they could have made a better proposal than that.

Division 4 is there for a reason, half the games each week would be cricket scores in those two leagues

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on November 10, 2011, 09:37:08 AM
I appluad teh county board for considering radical prposals to improve the condition of teams in the lower divisions. I think we should support them in their desire. I do however agree that this proposal is not the best solution. In fact probably simply a split division 4 would be better, giving a divsion 4A & 4B with each team playing each other 4 timeds instead of two. The split mini-leagues could allow sensible regionalisation and would allow a play off for promotion.

As for the senior championship proposal it si a bit like the Dublin championship method which I think is a much better one than our current straight knock-out. My own club play one game each year in the championship and then that is it over. We are not good enough to compete in the Senior but just sneak in each year. So anything that allows players at least a few games is a good proposal.

Does anyone object to the proposal to change the championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on November 10, 2011, 10:27:23 AM
Down Fanatic I see your point.  I think having just played a season in 4 and unfortunately missing out on promotion, means the prospect of another year in 4 is depressing me!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kumquat on November 10, 2011, 10:50:08 AM



Proposal for re-structuring of Division 3 and the doing away of Division 4

3A                       3B
Ballymartin          Drumgath
Tullylish           Kilclief
Carryduff           Darragh Cross
St John Bosco    Glasdrumman
Glenn            Atticall
Ardglass          St John's
Dundrum           Mitchel's
Saul            Drumaness
Bredagh            Dromara
St Paul's               Bright
Teconnaught       St Michaels
Aghaderg             Aughlisnafin
Ballykinlar   
   

In 2012 there would be no Division 4 but rather a Division 3a and 3B this would be an honest attempt to assist those smaller Clubs with more regional based fixtures which would have hopefully the two fold purpose of cutting down travel costs but in turn maximising home gates. [/quote]

how would Aghaderg & Ballykinler benefit by playing Ballymartin & Tullylish? and St Michaels & Aughlisnafin by playing Kilclief & Drumgath?

A split Div 4 as PAULD123 says would be a better proposal, but i would leave the championship alone, straight knock out is what makes it so good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on November 10, 2011, 02:06:29 PM
Quote from: kumquat on November 10, 2011, 10:50:08 AM
....
A split Div 4 as PAULD123 says would be a better proposal, but i would leave the championship alone, straight knock out is what makes it so good.

Who does it make it good for? It makes it good for 3-4 clubs who can win it. But what about the clubs that are the bottom of the pile? Good enough to win or at least challenge for an IFC but no where near good enough for SFC. The championship is a total waste of time for many clubs. These clubs are being made play at a level above themselves.

Why not have everyone play in a single preliminary round (seeded of course) with winners playing in SFC. Losers all go to IFC where there is a second preliminary round with those losers going to JFC. After that championship runs as we currently know it with straight knock-out. This would allow a team to find a level where they would have the chance to win soem kind of championship.

I accept the number of rounds/games/seeding system would need to be considered carefully. But I put this out as simply a proposal in principle. I just want everyone to have a chance of winning something.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 10, 2011, 02:41:56 PM
Quote from: kumquat on November 10, 2011, 10:50:08 AM



A split Div 4 as PAULD123 says would be a better proposal, but i would leave the championship alone, straight knock out is what makes it so good.

I don't want to sound like a cheerleader for the county board but I think this is a genuine and imaginative attempt to improve standards in the county as a whole.To question their motivation in putting these proposals forward,doesn't stand up to scrutiny.There have been a number of smaller cosmetic changes to club structures over recent years,and to be fair they have proved successful and popular.
I think it is best to avoid knee jerk responses to the proposals,but look at them on their merits.


The most important aspect of these proposals is that any club in the county is only 2 steps away from senior football.This has been the case in Tyrone for many years,and arguably has resulted in the overall improvement of standards in all clubs,meaning that many smaller clubs have provided county players.

The concerns re season long tankings could easily be solved,by splitting the league after 1 round of fixtures.
My own club have been giving out/receiving heavy defeats over the years,and unfortunately it's part of footballing life.There have been heavy defeats handed out in all leagues this year,anyway.
Regarding heavy defeats in Div 4,the top 3 teams in div 4 could justifiably argue(given results over the past 2 seasons) that they are of a similar standard to Div 3 teams,so effectively adding 6 Div 3 teams to 5-6 Div 4 teams for 1 round of fixtures,may not be the disaster predicted for the weaker teams,particularly if they have the carrot of a 2nd round of fixtures after the split,and a realistic chance of silverware to keep the league interesting until the very end.
The big attraction must be for the likes of St. Paul's and Bredagh who have great underage talent.This proposal means that if these clubs get their youth coming through to their senior team,they know that they are only 1 season away from Division 2.
The amalgamation scenario for the SFC showed if nothing else,that Div 4 players don't look out of place in SFC.However amalgamations are not easy organisationally for clubs or the board,yet this league restructuring,effectively gives any club a chance of Senior football on their own merit.

The championship proposal is too good to waste.Currently there are too many clubs/players twiddling their thumbs in sept/oct waiting for the championship to finish.This proposal by my calculation means that every club is occupied on every championship weekend right up until the semi finals.This concept is much better than a round robin series,as every single game will be meaningful.

I really hope clubs will look  favourably on these proposals as I can't see that it will have a detrimental effect on any club,yet it could benefit so many.In the current climate many clubs will be ravaged by emigration,this proposal means that even if a club has a bad few years with decreased player numbers,they can recover quickly as they are not banished to the nightmare of Div 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 10, 2011, 05:13:53 PM
Don't think it's a one way league and split though 6th sam. My take each team plays each other twice then top 2 each section goes to semi final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on November 10, 2011, 05:29:17 PM
i dont see much wrong with the current state of the leagues, they were re-structured a year or two ago

i think the championships need looked at and the knock-out situation done away with
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 10, 2011, 05:51:43 PM
Ive said it numerous times before and Ill say it again. Division 4 is there for a reason and the teams that are in it are there for a reason. My own club Dundrum will be plying their trade there in 2012 and we deserve to be playing there due to our inadequate performances in Division 3 this year. We went from Division 4 to Division 2 and back to Division 4 all in the past six years. We went from 4 to 2 in the space of three years and it can be done with a bit of organisation.

The whole county needs to stop feeling sorry for clubs in Division 4. These clubs may have a weak committee, a poor underage setup or a poor structure in terms of bringing through youth players or a combination of all these factors. Until they start addressing their problems then Division 4 is the only place they deserve to be.

These new League proposals will only result in the stronger teams steamrollering the weaker teams. The weaker teams are still going to take beatings: they are just going to be by much bigger margins.

Our Leagues are fine as they are. I have no idea what the agenda of the county board is in trying to push through such an illogical and stupid proposal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 10, 2011, 11:16:43 PM
You hit the nail on the head DF. Division 4 is there for a reason and so is division 1. The idea that simply pairing Ballykinlar against Kilclief will somehow overnight inspire the kinlar boys to train like mad, raise their standards and be competitive is ridiculous.They are at the bottom of div 4 for a reason. Someone suggested earlier that they just wanted a system were everyone wins something, thats bollocks, you have to earn the right to win something. U10's can see through "everyone gets a medal shite"

Our leagues are set up correctly and are a fair reflection on each teams ability and effort. I have seen at first hand, the round robin championship structure in a couple of different counties and it isnt all its cracked up to be. Their leagues are irrelevant and often unfinished. The "championship league" games in the round robin section, are poorly attended and definitly not traditional championship games or atmosphere. Supporters of this system argue that at least each team gets 3 or 4 championship championship games every season, I would argue that the 50 or 60 percent of teams that don't reach the knock out stages do not play any meaningful championship games at all during their season. Ironically, I would have argued for a change to the championship structure before I actually witnessed it in person.

The grass on the other side always looks greener, I think the structures in league and championship in Down are very good and better than most other counties in my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on November 10, 2011, 11:32:33 PM
Is right DF. Leave well enough alone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Chief on November 11, 2011, 09:49:26 AM
How does relegation from Division 2 work under the new proposal? will one team go into 3A and one into 3B, and how do they decide?

is there promotion or relegation from 3A to 3B? or will, Aughlisnafin for example never realistically get to play Ballykinlar in a league game again?

There seem to be a lot of grey areas and question marks over this, its badly explained in the proposal.

Someone said that the beauty of this is every club is only 2 years away from playing senior football, i think half of the clubs in 3A and 3B will admit themselves they have very little chance of playing senior football in the foreseeable future, those clubs that would fancy their chances of playing SFC are only one year away from it anyway - if they have a good season and win the IFC like Kilclief have done! Other than that they're 2 years away if good enough the way the league structures are at present anyway
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 11, 2011, 11:29:35 AM
If the back door system has proved anything to us over the past decade, it's that the championship is only won by one of the favourites.

Changing the SFC to this proposal doesn't give smaller clubs a chance; it takes it away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Agent Orange on November 11, 2011, 12:35:34 PM
Surprised Ross Carrs comments in this weeks Newry Reporter haven't got a mention on these pages.

http://www.newryreporter.com/pages/?title=%93So_why_is_he_not_playing?%94
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 11, 2011, 12:44:29 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 11, 2011, 11:29:35 AM
If the back door system has proved anything to us over the past decade, it's that the championship is only won by one of the favourites.

Changing the SFC to this proposal doesn't give smaller clubs a chance; it takes it away.

You're correct,but even without a qualifier series,the cream usually comes to the top,and that's OK.I don't think it's up to county board to give small clubs any better chance than anyone else,and I'd be surprised if their agenda is to facilitate a smaller club winning the SFC.However it is important that we expose county players or potential county players to as much quality club football possible.
The qualifier series in the AISFC may not have resulted in a minnow winning the AISFC,but it certainly has given the players and supporters in counties like Fermanagh,Sligo,Wicklow,Limerick a chance to play in more top quality games,and thereby envigorating football those areas.There is nothing like a championship run to enhance the footballing self esteem of any team and their supporters (cf Down 2010).

Our club fixtures are better than most counties,and have been further improved with changes over the years,and we shouldn't fear making further changes which may enhance our club fixtures.
There is little doubt that the single most frustrating aspect of club fixtures is the unpredictability of fixtures from mid August onwards.This is a period of time,(barring an extended run in the All-Ireland series,when we'd all accept fixtures being delayed for a few weeks) when county players are available for their clubs.To have most of those county players twiddling their thumbs waiting on the next league fixture,is of no benefit to the player,their club or the county.This is an imaginative and well thought out alternative proposed by people who have a vested interest in improving overall standards for all clubs in the county.
The two biggest complaints in recent weeks have been the extended season in Div 3 due to Kilclief's success,and the fact that Kilcoo for example have to wait weeks without a competitive fixture while still in contention for league final.Neither situation would arise under the new systems.

What an improvement it would be for a team beaten in the SFC 1st round,that instead of having to focus and motivate players for an unpredictable next league fixture,they could focus on a 2nd crack in the championship and then potentially having to earn the right to call themselves an SFC team for the following year.
I genuinely hope that clubs don't look this gift horse in the mouth.
This guarantees every SFC club at least 3 meaningful  championship games per year,at a time when most of them would otherwise be inactive,it requires no extra fixture dates and arguably prepares our champions better for the Ulster series.
Most importantly we should embrace this initiative rather than fear it,as it appears to me that every previous change county boards have made to league fixtures have usually proved successful
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 11, 2011, 01:15:59 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on November 11, 2011, 12:35:34 PM
Surprised Ross Carrs comments in this weeks Newry Reporter haven't got a mention on these pages.

http://www.newryreporter.com/pages/?title=%93So_why_is_he_not_playing?%94

AO do u have the full article?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on November 11, 2011, 11:21:38 PM
Basically said Aidan could play chf being more physical than Mark Poland-also there are'nt 3 better half backs in the county than his son!
Ultimately "Aidan must make a decision whether to go along as a journeyman or does he say thats enough for me "

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 13, 2011, 02:04:44 PM
Under 21 Result

Kilcoo 4-12 Shamrocks 1-5

Barry Kane and Jerome Johnston hit two goals apiece as Kilcoo easily accounted for Shamrocks.
Looking on at county trialist Conor Gough, i dont know how the Down management see him as an answer in midfield. Cleaned out by our midfield today, James McClean totally dominant.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 13, 2011, 03:42:38 PM
I see Kyle Brennan formerly of Newry Bosco fame came on as a sub today for Crossmaglen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on November 13, 2011, 04:38:03 PM
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Looking on at county trialist Conor Gough, i dont know how the Down management see him as an answer in midfield. Cleaned out by our midfield today, James McClean totally dominant.
Is that basis on having seen Conor Gough once  MDG ? I dont think he is the answer to our midfield probelms straight away but i think in the future he will be he still is very young
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on November 13, 2011, 05:46:55 PM
Re. The new proposals for Div 3/4, i think it would be madness for the likes of Fin,Kinlar+Aghaderg etc voting this in, it would be like turkeys voting for christmas! (no offence intended) In Div 4 this yr 3rd placed Bredagh finished with a points difference of +219 while 4th placed Dromara finished on +11 There was an obvious gulf in class between the top 3 and the rest of Div 4.
A possible alternative to the new proposals would be the Top 3 in Div 4 this yr(Saul,Drumaness+Bredagh) joining this yrs Div 3 line up including Dundrum + Mitchels, thus creating a 15 team Div 3 + a more evenly matched 8 team Div 4.
Div 4 would have 3 series of matches giving all teams a minimum of 21 games with the whoever finishes on top being guarenteed promotion with 2nd +3rd playing off + the winner gaining promotion + playing in the Div 4 Final.
Div 3 would be slightly more complicated with each team playing each other once (14 games) then split into 2 sections, giving all teams a minimum of 20/21 games.
Section 1 would have the top 7 teams after the 1st series play each other 1 more time with top being guarenteed promotion to Div 2 with 2nd + 3rd playing off etc.
Section 2 would have the remaining 8 teams play each other once more with the bottom team relegated to Div 4 + the 2 above them playing off to see who joins them. These 3 teams + the 8 in Div 4 would make up the participants in the following years Junior Championship. The top 2 in this section could play off in a Div 3 Shield final, with the carrot of some silverwear helping mantain interest until the end of the season.
Any opinions especially from those board members involved with any current Div3/4 teams would be much appreciated.  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 13, 2011, 06:14:15 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 13, 2011, 02:04:44 PM
Under 21 Result

Kilcoo 4-12 Shamrocks 1-5

Barry Kane and Jerome Johnston hit two goals apiece as Kilcoo easily accounted for Shamrocks.
Looking on at county trialist Conor Gough, i dont know how the Down management see him as an answer in midfield. Cleaned out by our midfield today, James McClean totally dominant.

Have never seen much of Gough Playing bar a few schools games but if he s not standing out in a sub standard U21 league then Id be worried! Have you seen much of him NP at senior level for shamrocks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 13, 2011, 06:22:44 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on November 13, 2011, 05:46:55 PM
Re. The new proposals for Div 3/4, i think it would be madness for the likes of Fin,Kinlar+Aghaderg etc voting this in, it would be like turkeys voting for christmas! (no offence intended) In Div 4 this yr 3rd placed Bredagh finished with a points difference of +219 while 4th placed Dromara finished on +11 There was an obvious gulf in class between the top 3 and the rest of Div 4.
A possible alternative to the new proposals would be the Top 3 in Div 4 this yr(Saul,Drumaness+Bredagh) joining this yrs Div 3 line up including Dundrum + Mitchels, thus creating a 15 team Div 3 + a more evenly matched 8 team Div 4.
Div 4 would have 3 series of matches giving all teams a minimum of 21 games with the whoever finishes on top being guarenteed promotion with 2nd +3rd playing off + the winner gaining promotion + playing in the Div 4 Final.
Div 3 would be slightly more complicated with each team playing each other once (14 games) then split into 2 sections, giving all teams a minimum of 20/21 games.
Section 1 would have the top 7 teams after the 1st series play each other 1 more time with top being guarenteed promotion to Div 2 with 2nd + 3rd playing off etc.
Section 2 would have the remaining 8 teams play each other once more with the bottom team relegated to Div 4 + the 2 above them playing off to see who joins them. These 3 teams + the 8 in Div 4 would make up the participants in the following years Junior Championship. The top 2 in this section could play off in a Div 3 Shield final, with the carrot of some silverwear helping mantain interest until the end of the season.
Any opinions especially from those board members involved with any current Div3/4 teams would be much appreciated.  :)

Lad, thats not a bad proposal at all. There is a lot more sense attached to it than the county board's proposal which is completely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on November 13, 2011, 06:28:42 PM
Saw him a few times and he did well was a stand out player for the College over the last 2 seasons . He is a big lad who will fill out with the weights programme . This is a probelm we have had lack of big mobile men . Gough is a great runner who fill filter back instinctively to plug the holes in defence . I think he will come good but its not going to be straight away
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 13, 2011, 08:14:40 PM
I think our Leagues and Championships are fine the way they are. However, taking in to account some of the changes that have been suggested on the board in the past while and some of the ways Leagues and Championships work in other counties the following is a mish-mash of how our system may be tinkered with.


5 Divisions in Down

Division 1 – 8 teams
Kilcoo, Mayobridge, Burren, Bryansford, Ballyholland, Clonduff, Saval, Longstone

Division 2 – 8 teams
An Riocht, Rostrevor, Castlewellan, Downpatrick, Liatroim, Loughinisland, Shamrocks, Annaclone

Division 3 – 9 teams
Warrenpoint, Clann na Banna, Ballymartin, Drumgath, Kilclief, Tullylish, Carryduff, Darragh Cross, Bosco

Division 4 – 9 teams
Glasdrumman, Glenn, Atticall, Ardglass, St Johns, Dundrum, Mitchels, Saul, Drumaness

Division 5 – 9 teams
Bredagh, Dromara, St Pauls, Bright, Teconnaught, St Michael's, Aghaderg, Aughlisnafin, Ballykinlar

Each team plays each other twice. Division 1 would have a total of 14 matches, Division 2 would have a total of 14 matches, Division 3 would have 16 games, Division 4 would have 16 games and Division 5 would have 16 games.

Then a playoff system would evolve as follows:

Division 1 – Top three teams playoff round robin. Winners are Division 1 champions. Bottom three teams playoff and team that finishes bottom get relegated.
Team that finishes second in relegation round robin then playoffs with team that finishes second in Division 2 promotion round robin. Winner of that game will play in Division 1 the following season.

Division 2 – Top three teams playoff round robin. Winners are Division 2 champions and get promotion. Team that finishes second in promotion round robin then plays off with team that finished second in the Division 1 relegation round robin. Winner of that game plays in Division 1 next season.

Division 3 - Top three teams playoff round robin. Winners are Division 3 champions and get promotion. Team that finishes second in promotion round robin then plays off with team that finished second in the Division 2 relegation round robin. Winner of that game plays in Division 2 next season.

Division 4 - Top three teams playoff round robin. Winners are Division 3 champions and get promotion. Team that finishes second in promotion round robin then plays off with team that finished second in the Division 3 relegation round robin. Winner of that game plays in Division 3 next season.

Division 5 - Top three teams playoff round robin. Winners are Division 5 champions and get promotion. Team that finishes second in promotion round robin then plays off with team that finished second in the Division 4 relegation round robin. Winner of that game plays in Division 4 next season.

So for example:

If Carryduff, Darragh Cross and Bosco finished in the bottom 3 in Division 3 in 2012 they would playoff in a relegation round robin. Say Carryduff beat both Darragh Cross and Bosco and Darragh Cross then beat Bosco then the round robin would look like this:

Carryduff ----- Won 2 ----- 4 pts
Darragh Cross ----- Won 1 ----- 2 pts
Bosco ----- Won 0 ----- 0 pts

If Glasdrumman, Glenn and Atticall finished in the top 3 in Division 4 in 2012 they would playoff in a promotion round robin. Say Glasdrumman beat Glenn and Atticall and Glenn then beat Atticall then the round robin would look like this:

Glasdrumman ----- Won 2 ----- 4 pts
Glenn ----- Won 1 ----- 2 pts
Atticall ----- Won 0 ----- 0 pts

The outcome:
Bosco would be relegated to Division 4 while Glasdrumman would be promoted to Division 3 as Division 4 champions.
Darragh Cross and Glenn would then have a promotion/relegation playoff. If Darragh Cross win then they retain their Division 3 status while Glenn would remain in Division 4. If Glenn win then they go up to Division 3 with Darragh Cross getting relegated to Division 4.


The Championship would operate as follows:

SFC – 4 groups of 4, each team play each other once, top two in each group progress to Quarter Finals.
IFC - 4 groups of 4, each team play each other once, top two in each group progress to Quarter Finals.
JFC – 2 groups of 4 and a group of 3, each team play each other once. Top team in each group goes forward to the Semi Finals with the team with best runner up record in one of the groups of four also progressing to the Semi Final.

Example:

SFC
Group A – Kilcoo, Longstone, Downpatrick, Annaclone
Group B – Mayobridge, Saval, Castlewellan, Shamrocks
Group C –  Burren, Clonduff, Rostrevor, Loughinisland
Group D – Byransford, Ballyholland, An Riocht, Liatroim

IFC
Group A – Warrenpoint, Darragh Cross, Atticall, Mitchels
Group B – Clann na Banna, Carryduff, Glenn, Dundrum
Group C – Ballymartin, Tullylish, Glasdrumman, St Johns
Group D – Drumgath, Kilclief, Bosco, Ardglass

JFC
Group A – Saul, Teconnaught, Ballykinlar,
Group B – Drumaness, Dromara, Bright, Aughlisnafin,
Group C – Bredagh, St Pauls, St Michael's, Aghaderg

Championship groupings are placed on League positions at start of season before matches commence.
IFC winners and JFC winners play in the SFC and IFC respectively in the following playing year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: kumquat on November 13, 2011, 08:42:45 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on November 10, 2011, 02:06:29 PM
Quote from: kumquat on November 10, 2011, 10:50:08 AM
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A split Div 4 as PAULD123 says would be a better proposal, but i would leave the championship alone, straight knock out is what makes it so good.

Who does it make it good for? It makes it good for 3-4 clubs who can win it. But what about the clubs that are the bottom of the pile? Good enough to win or at least challenge for an IFC but no where near good enough for SFC. The championship is a total waste of time for many clubs. These clubs are being made play at a level above themselves.

Why not have everyone play in a single preliminary round (seeded of course) with winners playing in SFC. Losers all go to IFC where there is a second preliminary round with those losers going to JFC. After that championship runs as we currently know it with straight knock-out. This would allow a team to find a level where they would have the chance to win soem kind of championship.

I accept the number of rounds/games/seeding system would need to be considered carefully. But I put this out as simply a proposal in principle. I just want everyone to have a chance of winning something.

I meant to add "in my opinion" it's what makes it so good, I like the championship the way it is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on November 13, 2011, 10:40:53 PM
Down Fanatic ur proposals for a new league structure look good as well although it still leaves a very strong Bredagh team in the bottom division. I totally agree with ur proposals for the 3 championships, have fancied the idea of the round robin format for the last few years myself.
Whatever happens i think the Co.Board will try to get some stuctural changes through this winter as they (+most of the rest of us) dont want to see Paul McComiskey playing in Div 4 next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 14, 2011, 12:21:08 AM
Df you get them other plans done? Extremely positive procrastination
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 14, 2011, 01:30:09 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 14, 2011, 12:21:08 AM
Df you get them other plans done? Extremely positive procrastination

YUP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 14, 2011, 01:59:21 AM
Quote from: marsbarkid on November 13, 2011, 10:40:53 PM
Down Fanatic ur proposals for a new league structure look good as well although it still leaves a very strong Bredagh team in the bottom division. I totally agree with ur proposals for the 3 championships, have fancied the idea of the round robin format for the last few years myself.
Whatever happens i think the Co.Board will try to get some stuctural changes through this winter as they (+most of the rest of us) dont want to see Paul McComiskey playing in Div 4 next year.
Very important point.I think we can't afford to have county players,or potential county players languishing in the lower leagues.
Fair play to you DF,you have obviously put alot of thought into your proposals but here are a few potental downfalls to your system.
1.Consigning  clubs like St Pauls and Bredagh to Div 5,would be disastrous for them and for the development of Gaelic football in North Down.
2.14 league games comes nowhere near Croke Park's recommendation of at least 22 games per year,and clubs are being short changed by getting only 7 home games,and no opportunity for a return fixture.This effectively further shortens a season which is only 5-6 months long anyway.
3.Round robin has proved controversial(cf Derry),and proved problematic with the ACMFC this year,with a number of games not being played.The difference between the GAA version and champions league is that right up until the last game,all games in the champions league group stages are meaningful as teams jostle for position to get favourable seeding for the knockout stages or even the Europa league 3rd spot.That is not workable in GAA.The new qualifier concept suggested by county board is innovative,and ingenious in my opinion,with all clubs guarenteed a minimum of 3 championship games.The qualifiers at AISFC level have been a breath of fresh air for many counties,including ourselves in 2010,so why not adopt the concept for our own SFC.
4.We have a responsibility to provide all our potential county players the highest standard of football possible.
5.Your proposal effectively relegates 27 clubs
6.We all have our own personal club agendas,the county board have a vested interest in trying to find a system that improves overall standards.I feel we have to respect that they are likely to be more objective,and see the "whole picture" better than members of individual clubs.
7.Most players I have spoken to are in favour of the county board proposals.


The county board proposal makes total sense to me as someone who has been involved in Divs 2,3 and 4.Perhaps an amendment involving a mid season split would get more support from the lower division clubs.Part of the reason these clubs continue to struggle is that their players are deprived of glamour football,and their youth therefore develop little enthusiasm, ambition or self belief.A talented player who happens to be born into one of these clubs stands little chance of county recognition.Thus we have a situation that Paul McComiskey is the only established county player to develop in Div 3 or 4 in 20 years.That's half the clubs in the county making no contribution to the county player pool.This is a situation that doesn't happen in counties like Tyrone,Cork,and Kerry (guess what they have in common).I am not on the county board,but I feel  very strongly that their proposals (or a development of them) should be embraced,and if they don't work ,we can always return to the status quo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 14, 2011, 10:46:18 AM
Joe Hughes R.I.P.

26 years with Down Supporter's club.
Joe put lots of effort in getting the Supporters club up and running years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 14, 2011, 11:45:26 AM
Quote from: umpire on November 14, 2011, 10:46:18 AM
Joe Hughes R.I.P.

26 years with Down Supporter's club.
Joe put lots of effort in getting the Supporters club up and running years ago.

Sad to hear that...I assume it's the same Joe Hughes who ran the Credit Union for years.....RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on November 14, 2011, 12:14:44 PM
If McComiskey plays for a division 4 club then surely that is his own tough luck.we cant be making changes to league structures to suit these players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on November 14, 2011, 09:42:49 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 14, 2011, 01:59:21 AM
Quote from: marsbarkid on November 13, 2011, 10:40:53 PM
Down Fanatic ur proposals for a new league structure look good as well although it still leaves a very strong Bredagh team in the bottom division. I totally agree with ur proposals for the 3 championships, have fancied the idea of the round robin format for the last few years myself.
Whatever happens i think the Co.Board will try to get some stuctural changes through this winter as they (+most of the rest of us) dont want to see Paul McComiskey playing in Div 4 next year.
Very important point.I think we can't afford to have county players,or potential county players languishing in the lower leagues.
Fair play to you DF,you have obviously put alot of thought into your proposals but here are a few potental downfalls to your system.
1.Consigning  clubs like St Pauls and Bredagh to Div 5,would be disastrous for them and for the development of Gaelic football in North Down.
2.14 league games comes nowhere near Croke Park's recommendation of at least 22 games per year,and clubs are being short changed by getting only 7 home games,and no opportunity for a return fixture.This effectively further shortens a season which is only 5-6 months long anyway.
3.Round robin has proved controversial(cf Derry),and proved problematic with the ACMFC this year,with a number of games not being played.The difference between the GAA version and champions league is that right up until the last game,all games in the champions league group stages are meaningful as teams jostle for position to get favourable seeding for the knockout stages or even the Europa league 3rd spot.That is not workable in GAA.The new qualifier concept suggested by county board is innovative,and ingenious in my opinion,with all clubs guarenteed a minimum of 3 championship games.The qualifiers at AISFC level have been a breath of fresh air for many counties,including ourselves in 2010,so why not adopt the concept for our own SFC.
4.We have a responsibility to provide all our potential county players the highest standard of football possible.
5.Your proposal effectively relegates 27 clubs
6.We all have our own personal club agendas,the county board have a vested interest in trying to find a system that improves overall standards.I feel we have to respect that they are likely to be more objective,and see the "whole picture" better than members of individual clubs.
7.Most players I have spoken to are in favour of the county board proposals.


The county board proposal makes total sense to me as someone who has been involved in Divs 2,3 and 4.Perhaps an amendment involving a mid season split would get more support from the lower division clubs.Part of the reason these clubs continue to struggle is that their players are deprived of glamour football,and their youth therefore develop little enthusiasm, ambition or self belief.A talented player who happens to be born into one of these clubs stands little chance of county recognition.Thus we have a situation that Paul McComiskey is the only established county player to develop in Div 3 or 4 in 20 years.That's half the clubs in the county making no contribution to the county player pool.This is a situation that doesn't happen in counties like Tyrone,Cork,and Kerry (guess what they have in common).I am not on the county board,but I feel  very strongly that their proposals (or a development of them) should be embraced,and if they don't work ,we can always return to the status quo.
Take Aughlisnafin for example in the 6 games they played against the top 3 in Div4 this year they had an average margin of defeat of 25 pts! but in their other 14 games they had an average points difference of -4, in their proposed Div3 section next season they would have Drumaness again + 6 higher ranked teams from this years Div3. My point is the probable outcome of at least a dozen 25pts+ demoralising defeats for the Senior team wouldnt be too 'glamorous' for their onlooking youth members.
Whist i'm in agreement for the mid season split i still honestly think the amendments i suggested for the Div3/4 would be more suitable for all  involved for the following reasons in no particular order.
1 Paul McComiskey + Dundrum would still be in Div3.
2 Bredagh who were much too strong for Div4 this year would also move up to Div3.
3 Both divisions would be much more evenly balanced, with very few 30pt beatings handed out!
4 Each team in Div3+4 would get at least 20/21 games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 14, 2011, 10:46:13 PM
You cant have your first reason for restructuring the leagues because Paul McCommiskey will be playing div 4 football. That is ridiculous. Dundrum and McCommiskey were not good enough for div 3 this season and that is why they are in div 4. If they are as good as you suggest, they will win div 4 next year and earn their right to be back in div 3 but I wouldnt bet on it either to be honest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on November 14, 2011, 11:11:26 PM
Quote from: ardtole on November 14, 2011, 10:46:13 PM
You cant have your first reason for restructuring the leagues because Paul McCommiskey will be playing div 4 football. That is ridiculous. Dundrum and McCommiskey were not good enough for div 3 this season and that is why they are in div 4. If they are as good as you suggest, they will win div 4 next year and earn their right to be back in div 3 but I wouldnt bet on it either to be honest.

I agree Ardtole but unfortunately i think keeping Paul in Div3 is a small part of the Co.Board's agenda with the restructuring of Div3+4. I'm merely trying to suggest a viable alternative to their farcical proposals with the inevitable monumental mismatches Re Div3. I have no issue with their proposals for a new championship format at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 14, 2011, 11:57:43 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on November 13, 2011, 05:46:55 PM
Re. The new proposals for Div 3/4, i think it would be madness for the likes of Fin,Kinlar+Aghaderg etc voting this in, it would be like turkeys voting for christmas! (no offence intended) In Div 4 this yr 3rd placed Bredagh finished with a points difference of +219 while 4th placed Dromara finished on +11 There was an obvious gulf in class between the top 3 and the rest of Div 4.
A possible alternative to the new proposals would be the Top 3 in Div 4 this yr(Saul,Drumaness+Bredagh) joining this yrs Div 3 line up including Dundrum + Mitchels, thus creating a 15 team Div 3 + a more evenly matched 8 team Div 4.
Div 4 would have 3 series of matches giving all teams a minimum of 21 games with the whoever finishes on top being guarenteed promotion with 2nd +3rd playing off + the winner gaining promotion + playing in the Div 4 Final.
Div 3 would be slightly more complicated with each team playing each other once (14 games) then split into 2 sections, giving all teams a minimum of 20/21 games.
Section 1 would have the top 7 teams after the 1st series play each other 1 more time with top being guarenteed promotion to Div 2 with 2nd + 3rd playing off etc.
Section 2 would have the remaining 8 teams play each other once more with the bottom team relegated to Div 4 + the 2 above them playing off to see who joins them. These 3 teams + the 8 in Div 4 would make up the participants in the following years Junior Championship. The top 2 in this section could play off in a Div 3 Shield final, with the carrot of some silverwear helping mantain interest until the end of the season.
Any opinions especially from those board members involved with any current Div3/4 teams would be much appreciated.  :)
some good ideas there,but I have 1 main reservation-the past  3 seasons the leagues have been rejigged,partly because the old div 4 of 8 teams,was not popular with clubs,the 3 rounds breeding familiarity,and games not being played out.

Aughlisnafin-now there's an interesting debating point.They have taken numerous tankings over the past few seasons,but they have genuine players and supporters who field for all their games and appear to enjoy the experience.They genuinely played some good football this year,and have a number of good players.The experience of taking heavy defeats has not dulled their enthusiasm for the  GAA,and they are obviously learning from playing better opposition.Would they be able to cope with some more quality opposition.Effectively this year they played 6 matches against teams of arguably div 3 standard-Saul,Drumaness,Bredagh.In the new system they would be playing 7 or 8 games against div 3 standard teams,before a possible split ,and then an opportunity to play teams of their own standard for silverware.So in effect they are only exposing themselves to 1 or 2 extra potential "tankings" under the new system.If and when they make progress The Fin are only 1 step away from IFC,and two steps away from SFC,making it much easier to motivate their current and future players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 15, 2011, 07:54:20 AM
QuoteI agree Ardtole but unfortunately i think keeping Paul in Div3 is a small part of the Co.Board's agenda with the restructuring of Div3+4.

That's right, and they did the thinking between when they killed JFK and faked putting a man on the moon.


If you genuinely believe the county board consider Division 3 football as acceptable, but Division 4 football as unnacceptable for an established county player - to the point that they'd urgently reshape the entire league structures to stop it happening - then you must be on a rapid descent to madness.


The simple truth is that just like all the recent commenters on here, they just want to see some balance in Down football, and for now anyway, this is one idea they're flying with.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 15, 2011, 08:25:09 AM
I hope they leave things the way they are. We have had a couple of years restructuring to get the leagues the way they are. ie 10 teams in 1 & 2, 12 in 3 and 11 in 4. All teams have found their genuine level, just run with it I say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on November 15, 2011, 09:40:53 AM
Genuine level? I wouldnt agree with that.  With week in week out challenging games teams can improve.  Bredagh were unlucky not to go up.  One bad performance in a one off game saw to that.  Drumaness played better and won so fair play to them. 3 teams went down last year and only 2 went up.  Our problem for not taking the opportunity I guess, but 2/3 years ago we were in playoffs for promotion to Div2!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 15, 2011, 09:45:17 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 15, 2011, 08:25:09 AM
I hope they leave things the way they are. We have had a couple of years restructuring to get the leagues the way they are. ie 10 teams in 1 & 2, 12 in 3 and 11 in 4. All teams have found their genuine level, just run with it I say.

Surely the way this years Div 3 has dragged on,should be avoided in the future.Ardtole you expressed reservations about this on many occasions,and at the earliest the div 3 final will be on nov 27th,with tullylish/carryduff having had no football for a month.The new system,which should definitely include a specific cut-off date for league fixtures,will prevent this scenario in the future.
Also having sampled div 2,3,4 over the years under various formats,I would disagree with those that say there is no problem with Div 4.There were a number of unplayed games in the second half of the league.With the current 11 teams ,you are basically condemning a number of erstwhile div 3 standard teams to playing most of their games against weaker opposition.The way that Teconnaught,and St Pauls for example appear to have deteriorated under this system,is regrettable.
DF's assertion that basically Div 4 clubs have got themselves into that league on the basis of poor administration or organisation,is unfair to clubs like Drumaness,Saul,Bredagh for example,who would vigorously challenge that assertion.
One of the main reasons clubs are in Div 4,is because of "tradition".In the same way as success breeds success,failure can breed failure,as the club's youth have little to aspire to ,when they see their club playing in Div 4.As a result many good players in these clubs don't develop,or transfer to more successful neighbouring clubs (Ballykinlar,Saul,Drumaness,Aghaderg,Teconnaught and Dundrum have all suffered this in recent years).
The county board's well thought out,and objective recommendations effectively promotes 11 teams,and gives them a leg up.If this goes through it would be interesting to see how clubs like Ballykinlar and Aughlisnafin respond to the challenge.If it is the disaster that some predict,it is very easy to revert to the old system.Because we are dealing with the bottom tier,there are no major negative implications of putting this system to the test.
I feel that we should go for this but a mid-season split would allay concerns,about too many mismatches.The split would allow all clubs the opportunity to play most of their games,particularly at end of season,against similar standard teams.
Any lower league club who doesn't embrace this opportunity,are selling their current and future PLAYERS short,in my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Chief on November 15, 2011, 12:01:53 PM
a few points -

1) it isnt up to the county board to stop certain clubs failing at football, if teams are in Division 4 its because they haven't been good enough, its up to themselves through hard work and training to get out of it, not the county board

2) there are hammerings in all divisions, in all leagues and sports the world over

3) Division 3 dragged on this season because of poor organisation from county board, there weren't enough Monday night matches, as well as Kilcliefs (unpredicted) success in both codes. This can be looked at and learnt from for future years, i dont think leagues have to be restructured again to address the fact that Division 3 dragged on a few weeks more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 15, 2011, 02:24:29 PM
Quote from: The Chief on November 15, 2011, 12:01:53 PM
a few points -

1) it isnt up to the county board to stop certain clubs failing at football, if teams are in Division 4 its because they haven't been good enough, its up to themselves through hard work and training to get out of it, not the county board  .I am sure the county board,and clubs who pay into the county board,would disagree.It is up to the county board to try and raise standards and look after the interests of all clubs-The fact that Div 3/4 clubs don't produce enough county players,compared to other successful counties,surely is a situation that needs to be improved.
2) there are hammerings in all divisions, in all leagues and sports the world over .Agree,and a fear of hammerings should not  block any improvement.
3) Division 3 dragged on this season because of poor organisation from county board, there weren't enough Monday night matches, as well as Kilcliefs (unpredicted) success in both codes. This can be looked at and learnt from for future years, i dont think leagues have to be restructured again to address the fact that Division 3 dragged on a few weeks more
Most clubs  would want to avoid extra Monday matches,as it puts unnecessary pressure on county players,and on clubs who have players working away.Hurling matches are played on mondays anyway so extra monday matches would have been no benefit in div 3 this year anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 15, 2011, 02:32:28 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 15, 2011, 09:45:17 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 15, 2011, 08:25:09 AM
I hope they leave things the way they are. We have had a couple of years restructuring to get the leagues the way they are. ie 10 teams in 1 & 2, 12 in 3 and 11 in 4. All teams have found their genuine level, just run with it I say.

Surely the way this years Div 3 has dragged on,should be avoided in the future.Ardtole you expressed reservations about this on many occasions,and at the earliest the div 3 final will be on nov 27th,with tullylish/carryduff having had no football for a month.The new system,which should definitely include a specific cut-off date for league fixtures,will prevent this scenario in the future.
Also having sampled div 2,3,4 over the years under various formats,I would disagree with those that say there is no problem with Div 4.There were a number of unplayed games in the second half of the league.With the current 11 teams ,you are basically condemning a number of erstwhile div 3 standard teams to playing most of their games against weaker opposition.The way that Teconnaught,and St Pauls for example appear to have deteriorated under this system,is regrettable.
DF's assertion that basically Div 4 clubs have got themselves into that league on the basis of poor administration or organisation,is unfair to clubs like Drumaness,Saul,Bredagh for example,who would vigorously challenge that assertion.
One of the main reasons clubs are in Div 4,is because of "tradition".In the same way as success breeds success,failure can breed failure,as the club's youth have little to aspire to ,when they see their club playing in Div 4.As a result many good players in these clubs don't develop,or transfer to more successful neighbouring clubs (Ballykinlar,Saul,Drumaness,Aghaderg,Teconnaught and Dundrum have all suffered this in recent years).
The county board's well thought out,and objective recommendations effectively promotes 11 teams,and gives them a leg up.If this goes through it would be interesting to see how clubs like Ballykinlar and Aughlisnafin respond to the challenge.If it is the disaster that some predict,it is very easy to revert to the old system.Because we are dealing with the bottom tier,there are no major negative implications of putting this system to the test.
I feel that we should go for this but a mid-season split would allay concerns,about too many mismatches.The split would allow all clubs the opportunity to play most of their games,particularly at end of season,against similar standard teams.
Any lower league club who doesn't embrace this opportunity,are selling their current and future PLAYERS short,in my opinion.
I have criticised the administration of div 3 this year, not the structures. The last 5 or 6 games were never allocated a date to be played at the start of the year. Regardless of what format you have, there has to be a schedule to adhere to. I argued the leagues should have started earlier and the July holiday should be shorter.

There are teams in div 2 who regard themselves as unfortunate not to be in div 1. To argue that bredagh are too good for div 4 is crazy, if they had to have won the league at a canter and then lost in some play off system I would agree with you but that wasnt the case. There are 3 teams in div 3 well ahead of the chasing pack, do you think these 3 teams should all be promoted as well?

We have four competitive divisions for both promotion and relegation, two up and two down, a simple and effective format, there is no need to complicate things.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on November 15, 2011, 05:52:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 15, 2011, 07:54:20 AM
QuoteI agree Ardtole but unfortunately i think keeping Paul in Div3 is a small part of the Co.Board's agenda with the restructuring of Div3+4.

That's right, and they did the thinking between when they killed JFK and faked putting a man on the moon.


If you genuinely believe the county board consider Division 3 football as acceptable, but Division 4 football as unnacceptable for an established county player - to the point that they'd urgently reshape the entire league structures to stop it happening - then you must be on a rapid descent to madness.


The simple truth is that just like all the recent commenters on here, they just want to see some balance in Down football, and for now anyway, this is one idea they're flying with.

Lol! Sorry Wobbler when i said 'small' i should have said very very very very small, right at the very back of maybe even 1 county board member's mind! :D Ur prob right about the the rapid descent to madness tho!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 15, 2011, 06:14:18 PM
No mention of the proposals for the hurling?  They have got to be a wind up, some people definitely have too much time on their hands.  An absolute joke set of proposals.

There is no need to re-jig the football leagues, are we not still in the middle of the last re-structuring?  The reason teams are in Division 1, 2, 3 and 4 respectively is that their players collectively are only good enough for that particular division.  Mayobridge didn't go from 4 to 1 because of some committee room administrative bullshit, they went through the divisions because their players were dedicated and talented (they also had one of the all time greats playing for them!).  By the same token Kilclief languished in Division 4 for years because the players were not dedicated or talented enough.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on November 15, 2011, 09:10:42 PM
Down Senior training squad were well beaten last night by a much fitter, faster and stronger Kilcoo side in Eoghain Rua Pairc.

Down team boasted only Kalum King (played at full foward) and Aidan Carr (centre half foward) in their starting 15 while Conor Laverty and Aidan Brannigan played for their home club. Ill try my best and list the team below:

1. Mickey McAlister (banbridge)
2. ?
3. Peter Turley (D'pattick
4. Eamon  (Clonduff)
5. David McKibben (Bryansford
6. John McCarthty (L'island)
7. Keith Quinn (Mayobridge)
8. ?
9. ?
10. Arthur McConville (Clonduff)
11. Aidan Carr (Clonduff)
12. Timmy Hanna (Bryansford)
13. Marcus Miskelly (Darragh Cross)
14. Kallum King (Bryansford)
15. Ross McGarry (Warrenpoint)

Final Score: Down 1-6 Kilcoo 2-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rogueryhill on November 15, 2011, 11:17:11 PM
Lads, you might want to tell the County Board to have a wee look over in the Ulster Club Championship thread before they start rejigging the leagues to help wee Paul. There's a rumour over there that he's heading to St Gall's! Any truth in it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on November 15, 2011, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 15, 2011, 09:45:17 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 15, 2011, 08:25:09 AM
I hope they leave things the way they are. We have had a couple of years restructuring to get the leagues the way they are. ie 10 teams in 1 & 2, 12 in 3 and 11 in 4. All teams have found their genuine level, just run with it I say.

Surely the way this years Div 3 has dragged on,should be avoided in the future.Ardtole you expressed reservations about this on many occasions,and at the earliest the div 3 final will be on nov 27th,with tullylish/carryduff having had no football for a month.The new system,which should definitely include a specific cut-off date for league fixtures,will prevent this scenario in the future.
Also having sampled div 2,3,4 over the years under various formats,I would disagree with those that say there is no problem with Div 4.There were a number of unplayed games in the second half of the league.With the current 11 teams ,you are basically condemning a number of erstwhile div 3 standard teams to playing most of their games against weaker opposition.The way that Teconnaught,and St Pauls for example appear to have deteriorated under this system,is regrettable.
DF's assertion that basically Div 4 clubs have got themselves into that league on the basis of poor administration or organisation,is unfair to clubs like Drumaness,Saul,Bredagh for example,who would vigorously challenge that assertion.
One of the main reasons clubs are in Div 4,is because of "tradition".In the same way as success breeds success,failure can breed failure,as the club's youth have little to aspire to ,when they see their club playing in Div 4.As a result many good players in these clubs don't develop,or transfer to more successful neighbouring clubs (Ballykinlar,Saul,Drumaness,Aghaderg,Teconnaught and Dundrum have all suffered this in recent years).
The county board's well thought out,and objective recommendations effectively promotes 11 teams,and gives them a leg up.If this goes through it would be interesting to see how clubs like Ballykinlar and Aughlisnafin respond to the challenge.If it is the disaster that some predict,it is very easy to revert to the old system.Because we are dealing with the bottom tier,there are no major negative implications of putting this system to the test.
I feel that we should go for this but a mid-season split would allay concerns,about too many mismatches.The split would allow all clubs the opportunity to play most of their games,particularly at end of season,against similar standard teams.
Any lower league club who doesn't embrace this opportunity,are selling their current and future PLAYERS short,in my opinion.

6thSam - After reading over all your different arguments im starting to come round to your way of thinking (slightly) but there would definitely have to be a split after 1 series of games with possibly the bottom 5 in each section forming a new grouping to play for a Division 3 'Shield' with the top 4 playing semi's + a final. Trying to reach the top4 in this new 10 team section would help motivate teams + maintain interest after all their early season drubbings!
Like u suggested it could be run on a 2 or 3 year trial period and if it turns out to be a disaster, the bottom 8,9,10, or 11 teams could be let go to form a new Division 4 again.
Would still prefer my version of the proposals but it doesnt look like i have much support :-X
Enjoyed the debate tho. :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 15, 2011, 11:37:11 PM
The acfl 1,2,3,4 are adult leagues. It is all about promotion and relegation, introducing a shield for the bottom half of the divisions is bullshit. Thats alright to keep the u10s interested and let them all go home with a medal. A shield cup for finishing in the bottom half of the league is patronising and any self respecting footballer would be embarrassed to win it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on November 15, 2011, 11:44:16 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on November 15, 2011, 09:10:42 PM
Down Senior training squad were well beaten last night by a much fitter, faster and stronger Kilcoo side in Eoghain Rua Pairc.

Down team boasted only Kalum King (played at full foward) and Aidan Carr (centre half foward) in their starting 15 while Conor Laverty and Aidan Brannigan played for their home club. Ill try my best and list the team below:

1. Mickey McAlister (banbridge)
2. ?
3. Peter Turley (D'pattick
4. Eamon  (Clonduff)
5. David McKibben (Bryansford
6. John McCarthty (L'island)
7. Keith Quinn (Mayobridge)
8. ?
9. ?
10. Arthur McConville (Clonduff)
11. Aidan Carr (Clonduff)
12. Timmy Hanna (Bryansford)
13. Marcus Miskelly (Darragh Cross)
14. Kallum King (Bryansford)
15. Ross McGarry (Warrenpoint)

Final Score: Down 1-6 Kilcoo 2-7

Good to see Aidan Carr started... That will keep Ross happy anyhow!!!!!!!
Wonder how many of them names will we see come league or championship tho?? Need a few to freshen up things in the panel - just hope some of the above have the committment for it.  That lad Mc Kibbin from the ford is a good lad as is Timmy Hanna.  Arthur Mc Conville - are you serious - James should have went to the u21 game the other day between Clonduff and Mayobridge - Mc Conville was totally outclassed in every position he was sent to.  Not now or never will be a county footballer... Keith Quinn - over rated and is still available for u21s this year and Ross Mc Garry - does he even play for the point anymore - must have stayed in the single figures for games this season.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 16, 2011, 12:07:10 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 15, 2011, 11:37:11 PM
The acfl 1,2,3,4 are adult leagues. It is all about promotion and relegation, introducing a shield for the bottom half of the divisions is bullshit. Thats alright to keep the u10s interested and let them all go home with a medal. A shield cup for finishing in the bottom half of the league is patronising and any self respecting footballer would be embarrassed to win it.


I don't feel that would be the opinion in those clubs who may end up in that position.I imagine that Aughlisnafin might be delighted to claim a Div 3 shield title as a stepping stone to further progress,in much the same way as Dromara claimed an EDRFL title in the 80s,before eventually going on to play SFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 16, 2011, 12:36:54 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 15, 2011, 02:32:28 PM
I have criticised the administration of div 3 this year, not the structures. The last 5 or 6 games were never allocated a date to be played at the start of the year. Regardless of what format you have, there has to be a schedule to adhere to. I argued the leagues should have started earlier and the July holiday should be shorter.An earlier start to 1 league is impractical,but I agree that the July break should be 2weeks maximum.The div 3 structure of 22league games ,2 playoffs and championship games has proved too much,regardless of administration.
There are teams in div 2 who regard themselves as unfortunate not to be in div 1. To argue that bredagh are too good for div 4 is crazy, if they had to have won the league at a canter and then lost in some play off system I would agree with you but that wasnt the case. There are 3 teams in div 3 well ahead of the chasing pack, do you think these 3 teams should all be promoted as well? I feel genuinely sorry for Bredagh,they are consigned to at least another year in Div 4,having been unbeaten all year in league and championship,apart from losses to Saul and Drumaness in tight games. 
We have four competitive (div 4??) divisions for both promotion and relegation, two up and two down, a simple and effective (not in many people's opinion) format, there is no need to complicate  things.The county board's proposals if anything simplify the league structures further,as they will allow the league to be completed on schedule regardless of Hurling,AI senior or minor runs,or Ulster JFC,IFC campaigns.I would agree with marsbar that the debate on these club structures has provoked plenty of thoughtful comments,hopefully we will get club structures that will allow all clubs in Down to meet their potential,both as a team,and also in terms of developing county players.The next Mickey Linden could in theory come from any club in Down,I feel that the county board and Div 3/4 Clubs in particular have a responsibility to ensure that every potential county player gets an opportunity to reach that potential,without having to move to another club
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 16, 2011, 11:33:14 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 16, 2011, 12:36:54 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 15, 2011, 02:32:28 PM
I have criticised the administration of div 3 this year, not the structures. The last 5 or 6 games were never allocated a date to be played at the start of the year. Regardless of what format you have, there has to be a schedule to adhere to. I argued the leagues should have started earlier and the July holiday should be shorter.An earlier start to 1 league is impractical,but I agree that the July break should be 2weeks maximum.The div 3 structure of 22league games ,2 playoffs and championship games has proved too much,regardless of administration.
There are teams in div 2 who regard themselves as unfortunate not to be in div 1. To argue that bredagh are too good for div 4 is crazy, if they had to have won the league at a canter and then lost in some play off system I would agree with you but that wasnt the case. There are 3 teams in div 3 well ahead of the chasing pack, do you think these 3 teams should all be promoted as well? I feel genuinely sorry for Bredagh,they are consigned to at least another year in Div 4,having been unbeaten all year in league and championship,apart from losses to Saul and Drumaness in tight games. 
We have four competitive (div 4??) divisions for both promotion and relegation, two up and two down, a simple and effective (not in many people's opinion) format, there is no need to complicate  things.The county board's proposals if anything simplify the league structures further,as they will allow the league to be completed on schedule regardless of Hurling,AI senior or minor runs,or Ulster JFC,IFC campaigns.I would agree with marsbar that the debate on these club structures has provoked plenty of thoughtful comments,hopefully we will get club structures that will allow all clubs in Down to meet their potential,both as a team,and also in terms of developing county players.The next Mickey Linden could in theory come from any club in Down,I feel that the county board and Div 3/4 Clubs in particular have a responsibility to ensure that every potential county player gets an opportunity to reach that potential,without having to move to another club
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The leagues didnt start until mid april, they were probably the last leagues in Ireland to start, there is no reason why they couldnt start a month earlier. If bredagh lost to both saul and drumness then they would get hammered in most div 3 games. (Iv a feeling they drew with bright or won narrowly  which wouldnt inspire confidence either) Both these teams struggled in div 3 the previous year, particullary drumaness.
I think the leagues are set up correctly, there is a distinct step up in standard between each division, which would indicate that  most teams are in their correct league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 16, 2011, 02:53:42 PM
Ardtole,
I understand your frustration,and I have to admit that as recently as 2-3 years ago I held a similar view.However persuasive arguments by the likes of wobbler,have changed my perspective on this.
The reason why the league starts late is that most of february ,march are unavailable due to NFL and Sigerson,the late nights dont start until the end of March,And Good Friday & Easter Sunday have always been unavailablle for fixtures.Then there is the Ulster and AI u21 series to worry about.Therefore,we have the April start up,on the first friday night available.
Apart from the fixture logjam preventing an earlier start,few clubs with single pitches want to risk damaging their pitch for the season ahead with a high match/training load in Feb/Mar when the pitches are most vulnerable due to the weather.
This is another reason why I would be loathe to criticise county board,as they have to factor in all clubs and circumstances ,as opposed to worrying about 1 club, like most of us.

Clubs in Down should gear for a 7 month playing season from early April to early November.The challenge is to fit in a fixture schedule into this season allowing for all eventualities.The county board's proposals are an attempt to do this,and they should be congratulated for that.I feel that they should also aspire to extending their rigid fixture plan ,(which is excellent up until August,)into Sept/oct/nov,and introduce a cut-off date,to allow all clubs to plan for the year ahead.I think that is one area on which we could all agree.
The real attraction of the championship proposals is that all SFC clubs can now plan to have meaningful matches on all but 3 pre-arranged weekends(AI final weekend?,SFC semis,and SFC finals), in the months of August September,October.I would like to see this system eventually rolled out to IFC,JFC if it proves a success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 16, 2011, 05:07:01 PM
Im not a bit frustrated 6th sam. I just believe that that the way the four leagues are currently structured are correct, and any team that is talented enough and willing enough will prosper. Similarily, clubs that are not maximising their potential will struggle. I didnt agree with all of wobblers arguements either, I feel fixtures could go ahead on sunday afternoons in march, particulary div 3, which has 4 extra fixtures to play. A good few of the nfl games are now played under lights on a sat evening so they wouldnt interfere with a full programme of fixtures. I am confident that last seasons mistakes will not be replicated and I hope league and championship structures are left untouched as otherwise I think club football in Down is pretty well run.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 16, 2011, 06:04:03 PM
I agree with Ardtole. Leave the League and Championships well alone. I personally think that our Leagues and Championships are very well organised and a lot of credit has to go to Sean Rooney who does a great job. Apart from the odd situation (Division 3 this year) everything generally runs ok.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 16, 2011, 06:27:42 PM
while not agreeing completely with the new proposals,the county board are right to try and shake up the basement division in down football.the only meaningful games for saul,drumaness and bredagh this year were amongst each other.the same will more than likely be the case next year with bredagh,mitchells and dundrum.looking at it from the point of view of these three clubs,it is disheartening to have to spend a year playing 80% of your matches against uncompetitive opposition.from the point of view of the other clubs it isnt much better as they dont realistically have a chance of promtion.its similar to the situation in the nhl div2,were each year you have two of the 'stronger' hurling counties fighting for one promotion place.its not an ideal situation.if the two divisions were mixed,would it possibly encourage the div4 teams to improve standards as they face stiffer opposition?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 16, 2011, 08:50:31 PM
Quote from: ardtole on November 16, 2011, 05:07:01 PM
Im not a bit frustrated 6th sam. I just believe that that the way the four leagues are currently structured are correct, and any team that is talented enough and willing enough will prosper. Similarily, clubs that are not maximising their potential will struggle. I didnt agree with all of wobblers arguements either, I feel fixtures could go ahead on sunday afternoons in march, particulary div 3, which has 4 extra fixtures to play. A good few of the nfl games are now played under lights on a sat evening so they wouldnt interfere with a full programme of fixtures. I am confident that last seasons mistakes will not be replicated and I hope league and championship structures are left untouched as otherwise I think club football in Down is pretty well run.

It has been well established that clubs with county players are not keen to start the season on the back foot,with starred games.
The March games  would have to be starred,so they're a non runner going forward,as I think nobody would agree with players who have played on a saturday night for the county,turning out for the club next day.
Everybody accepts that our club structures aren't bad-but that's mainly because they have developed over the years, thanks to well thought out improvements from an OBJECTIVE county board.Every previous change was met with resistance,by some posters from INDIVIDUAL clubs,but when eventually passed,they have all proved to be beneficial,in my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on November 17, 2011, 12:33:11 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 15, 2011, 11:37:11 PM
The acfl 1,2,3,4 are adult leagues. It is all about promotion and relegation, introducing a shield for the bottom half of the divisions is bullshit. Thats alright to keep the u10s interested and let them all go home with a medal. A shield cup for finishing in the bottom half of the league is patronising and any self respecting footballer would be embarrassed to win it.

Ardtole i find your outright dismissal of the 'Shield' idea patronising to say the least, in my opinion the idea of a chance to win any sort of silverwear at all should be embraced by any player of any age or standard. Indeed the senior players of your own club have demonstrated this with their exemplary record in the Connolly Cup. At the risk of sounding pedantic, the East Down Reserve League is also an adult league where this year the 'Cup' + 'Shield format were in operation after 1 round of games.
If anyone looks through my posts on this topic they will realise i'm not on here championing the County Board's proposals, just engaging in some debate in how they can be modified + improved upon!
I would be happy enough for the 4 divisions to stay as they are, but(correct me if i'm wrong) unfortunately with delegates from all clubs in all 4 divisions voting on the proposals Re-Div3/4 restructuring, it is more likely (in my opinion) that some version of it will be pushed through. If it was just the delegates representing Div3+4 clubs voting on their own future set up i'm sure at least 80% would vote for the current set up to be retained.
I have said all i'm going to say on this topic now and await with interest the outcome of the vote on all the proposals, hopefully they can keep most clubs happy!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 17, 2011, 10:47:45 AM
The reason we have done so well in the connolly cup is, we are the only intermediate club that regulary took part in it. (bar dundrum for a couple of years). Most of them years we were in the playoffs for promotion in div 3, so no disrespect to ballykinlar, bright etc we were way too good for them. Personally, I would have pulled out of, it cost us dearly over the years through suspensions and injuries. Unfortunately for us, due to immigration etc we are nowhere near as strong as 3 or 4 years ago and we are probably a lot closer to junior football at present than a competitive intermediate team.
I may have picked up the shield cup idea wrongly. I was under the impression it was proposed for all 4 divisions which I would disagree with, as there is relegation in the first 3 divisions. If it is just for div 4 I would wholeheartedly agree with it, Ardglass spent many a year in div 4 and most of them in the bottom half, so a shield would be a good idea in div 4 only.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 17, 2011, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 17, 2011, 10:47:45 AM
The reason we have done so well in the connolly cup is, we are the only intermediate club that regulary took part in it. (bar dundrum for a couple of years). Most of them years we were in the playoffs for promotion in div 3, so no disrespect to ballykinlar, bright etc we were way too good for them. Personally, I would have pulled out of, it cost us dearly over the years through suspensions and injuries. Unfortunately for us, due to immigration etc we are nowhere near as strong as 3 or 4 years ago and we are probably a lot closer to junior football at present than a competitive intermediate team.
I may have picked up the shield cup idea wrongly. I was under the impression it was proposed for all 4 divisions which I would disagree with, as there is relegation in the first 3 divisions. If it is just for div 4 I would wholeheartedly agree with it, Ardglass spent many a year in div 4 and most of them in the bottom half, so a shield would be a good idea in div 4 only.

Agree totally,Ardtole.This Shield suggestion is only necessary in the lowest division.The top 2 divisions should remain the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on November 17, 2011, 05:06:14 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 17, 2011, 11:36:23 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 17, 2011, 10:47:45 AM
The reason we have done so well in the connolly cup is, we are the only intermediate club that regulary took part in it. (bar dundrum for a couple of years). Most of them years we were in the playoffs for promotion in div 3, so no disrespect to ballykinlar, bright etc we were way too good for them. Personally, I would have pulled out of, it cost us dearly over the years through suspensions and injuries. Unfortunately for us, due to immigration etc we are nowhere near as strong as 3 or 4 years ago and we are probably a lot closer to junior football at present than a competitive intermediate team.
I may have picked up the shield cup idea wrongly. I was under the impression it was proposed for all 4 divisions which I would disagree with, as there is relegation in the first 3 divisions. If it is just for div 4 I would wholeheartedly agree with it, Ardglass spent many a year in div 4 and most of them in the bottom half, so a shield would be a good idea in div 4 only.

Agree totally,Ardtole.This Shield suggestion is only necessary in the lowest division.The top 2 divisions should remain the same.

Agreed  :), the lowest division only, whatever it may be after the meeting next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 17, 2011, 06:05:19 PM


Quote from: alba2 on November 15, 2011, 11:44:16 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on November 15, 2011, 09:10:42 PM
Down Senior training squad were well beaten last night by a much fitter, faster and stronger Kilcoo side in Eoghain Rua Pairc.

Down team boasted only Kalum King (played at full foward) and Aidan Carr (centre half foward) in their starting 15 while Conor Laverty and Aidan Brannigan played for their home club. Ill try my best and list the team below:

1. Mickey McAlister (banbridge)
2. ?
3. Peter Turley (D'pattick
4. Eamon  (Clonduff)
5. David McKibben (Bryansford
6. John McCarthty (L'island)
7. Keith Quinn (Mayobridge)
8. ?
9. ?
10. Arthur McConville (Clonduff)
11. Aidan Carr (Clonduff)
12. Timmy Hanna (Bryansford)
13. Marcus Miskelly (Darragh Cross)
14. Kallum King (Bryansford)
15. Ross McGarry (Warrenpoint)

Final Score: Down 1-6 Kilcoo 2-7

Good to see Aidan Carr started... That will keep Ross happy anyhow!!!!!!!
Wonder how many of them names will we see come league or championship tho?? Need a few to freshen up things in the panel - just hope some of the above have the committment for it.  That lad Mc Kibbin from the ford is a good lad as is Timmy Hanna.  Arthur Mc Conville - are you serious - James should have went to the u21 game the other day between Clonduff and Mayobridge - Mc Conville was totally outclassed in every position he was sent to.  Not now or never will be a county footballer... Keith Quinn - over rated and is still available for u21s this year and Ross Mc Garry - does he even play for the point anymore - must have stayed in the single figures for games this season.....

bit harsh on McConville he had an outstanding championship for clonduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on November 17, 2011, 10:04:35 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 17, 2011, 06:05:19 PM


Quote from: alba2 on November 15, 2011, 11:44:16 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on November 15, 2011, 09:10:42 PM
Down Senior training squad were well beaten last night by a much fitter, faster and stronger Kilcoo side in Eoghain Rua Pairc.

Down team boasted only Kalum King (played at full foward) and Aidan Carr (centre half foward) in their starting 15 while Conor Laverty and Aidan Brannigan played for their home club. Ill try my best and list the team below:

1. Mickey McAlister (banbridge)
2. ?
3. Peter Turley (D'pattick
4. Eamon  (Clonduff)
5. David McKibben (Bryansford
6. John McCarthty (L'island)
7. Keith Quinn (Mayobridge)
8. ?
9. ?
10. Arthur McConville (Clonduff)
11. Aidan Carr (Clonduff)
12. Timmy Hanna (Bryansford)
13. Marcus Miskelly (Darragh Cross)
14. Kallum King (Bryansford)
15. Ross McGarry (Warrenpoint)

Final Score: Down 1-6 Kilcoo 2-7

Good to see Aidan Carr started... That will keep Ross happy anyhow!!!!!!!
Wonder how many of them names will we see come league or championship tho?? Need a few to freshen up things in the panel - just hope some of the above have the committment for it.  That lad Mc Kibbin from the ford is a good lad as is Timmy Hanna.  Arthur Mc Conville - are you serious - James should have went to the u21 game the other day between Clonduff and Mayobridge - Mc Conville was totally outclassed in every position he was sent to.  Not now or never will be a county footballer... Keith Quinn - over rated and is still available for u21s this year and Ross Mc Garry - does he even play for the point anymore - must have stayed in the single figures for games this season.....

bit harsh on McConville he had an outstanding championship for clonduff.

But my point is - is he a county standard player.. If not then he should not be there..... Can he compete with King, Rodgers, Mc Ardle, fitzpatrick (even tho he is gone for the minute) for a midfield slot or with anyone in the full forward line. No imo he cant.  Good club championship means little in the big picture.  |The teams that went out in the early rounds of the cship will still have a fair quota of players and rightly so...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 18, 2011, 09:53:56 AM
Quote from: alba2 on November 17, 2011, 10:04:35 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 17, 2011, 06:05:19 PM


Quote from: alba2 on November 15, 2011, 11:44:16 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on November 15, 2011, 09:10:42 PM
Down Senior training squad were well beaten last night by a much fitter, faster and stronger Kilcoo side in Eoghain Rua Pairc.

Down team boasted only Kalum King (played at full foward) and Aidan Carr (centre half foward) in their starting 15 while Conor Laverty and Aidan Brannigan played for their home club. Ill try my best and list the team below:

1. Mickey McAlister (banbridge)
2. ?
3. Peter Turley (D'pattick
4. Eamon  (Clonduff)
5. David McKibben (Bryansford
6. John McCarthty (L'island)
7. Keith Quinn (Mayobridge)
8. ?
9. ?
10. Arthur McConville (Clonduff)
11. Aidan Carr (Clonduff)
12. Timmy Hanna (Bryansford)
13. Marcus Miskelly (Darragh Cross)
14. Kallum King (Bryansford)
15. Ross McGarry (Warrenpoint)

Final Score: Down 1-6 Kilcoo 2-7

Good to see Aidan Carr started... That will keep Ross happy anyhow!!!!!!!
Wonder how many of them names will we see come league or championship tho?? Need a few to freshen up things in the panel - just hope some of the above have the committment for it.  That lad Mc Kibbin from the ford is a good lad as is Timmy Hanna.  Arthur Mc Conville - are you serious - James should have went to the u21 game the other day between Clonduff and Mayobridge - Mc Conville was totally outclassed in every position he was sent to.  Not now or never will be a county footballer... Keith Quinn - over rated and is still available for u21s this year and Ross Mc Garry - does he even play for the point anymore - must have stayed in the single figures for games this season.....

bit harsh on McConville he had an outstanding championship for clonduff.

But my point is - is he a county standard player.. If not then he should not be there..... Can he compete with King, Rodgers, Mc Ardle, fitzpatrick (even tho he is gone for the minute) for a midfield slot or with anyone in the full forward line. No imo he cant.  Good club championship means little in the big picture.  |The teams that went out in the early rounds of the cship will still have a fair quota of players and rightly so...

Would rather McConville than McCardle any day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on November 18, 2011, 11:35:35 AM
Would definatley dissagree with that supersub. McArdle takes alot of unfair stick I reckon. When he plays for Burren hes as dynamic as you can get, a strong runner, hard to keep up with when he gets in his stride. If he recreated this attitude when playing for Down then he would turn alot more critics into fans. That said, hes on a downer right from the off, when he was named at midfeild last yr against Antrim, before a ball was kicked, I heard Down spectators saying 'Ah Jesus Anoton is starting' and things to that nature. Hard enough for a 20yr old to cope with that. Basically, if I was given a choice to choose between Anton or Arthur, for me, its a no-brainer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 18, 2011, 01:12:31 PM
Ruling Arthur out as a county player at the age of 20 is harsh to say the least.  He had a decent championship, has potential but would have a bit of work to do on his overall fitness and other areas of the game.

On Anton I would agree with Eaglelord.  He is alot more dynamic than Arthur currently and his performance against Roslea last wk was very impressive.  He is getting bigger and stronger and is only going to improve.  It will be interesting to see how he fares against a physical opponent like Eoin Lennon on Sunday.  He reminds me of what Ambrose was like at around that age, dynamic and physical but a bit raw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 18, 2011, 01:54:54 PM
Quote from: alba2 on November 17, 2011, 10:04:35 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 17, 2011, 06:05:19 PM


Quote from: alba2 on November 15, 2011, 11:44:16 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on November 15, 2011, 09:10:42 PM
Down Senior training squad were well beaten last night by a much fitter, faster and stronger Kilcoo side in Eoghain Rua Pairc.

Down team boasted only Kalum King (played at full foward) and Aidan Carr (centre half foward) in their starting 15 while Conor Laverty and Aidan Brannigan played for their home club. Ill try my best and list the team below:

1. Mickey McAlister (banbridge)
2. ?
3. Peter Turley (D'pattick
4. Eamon  (Clonduff)
5. David McKibben (Bryansford
6. John McCarthty (L'island)
7. Keith Quinn (Mayobridge)
8. ?
9. ?
10. Arthur McConville (Clonduff)
11. Aidan Carr (Clonduff)
12. Timmy Hanna (Bryansford)
13. Marcus Miskelly (Darragh Cross)
14. Kallum King (Bryansford)
15. Ross McGarry (Warrenpoint)

Final Score: Down 1-6 Kilcoo 2-7

Good to see Aidan Carr started... That will keep Ross happy anyhow!!!!!!!
Wonder how many of them names will we see come league or championship tho?? Need a few to freshen up things in the panel - just hope some of the above have the committment for it.  That lad Mc Kibbin from the ford is a good lad as is Timmy Hanna.  Arthur Mc Conville - are you serious - James should have went to the u21 game the other day between Clonduff and Mayobridge - Mc Conville was totally outclassed in every position he was sent to.  Not now or never will be a county footballer... Keith Quinn - over rated and is still available for u21s this year and Ross Mc Garry - does he even play for the point anymore - must have stayed in the single figures for games this season.....

bit harsh on McConville he had an outstanding championship for clonduff.

But my point is - is he a county standard player.. If not then he should not be there..... Can he compete with King, Rodgers, Mc Ardle, fitzpatrick (even tho he is gone for the minute) for a midfield slot or with anyone in the full forward line. No imo he cant.  Good club championship means little in the big picture.  |The teams that went out in the early rounds of the cship will still have a fair quota of players and rightly so...

based on his perfomances this year he should be on the McKenna cup squad, he should at least be given a chance, has a lot more skill than king and can take frees, he is worth looking at surely, was king a county standard player before james whipped him into some shape, is he a county standard player now? based on his performances this year i would argue no.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on November 18, 2011, 08:39:22 PM
Any clubs been involved in any dialogue in relation to the new league proposals for Div 3? Are players thoughts being taken into consideration? What is the general consensus?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on November 18, 2011, 10:54:59 PM
Well i would be in favour of some sort of change.  It was totally gutting putting in hard work this year, trying to keep it all going and then losing out in the play off.  Competitve football is what everyone wants.  It would be good to Find a way to do this and help all teams develop.
Having said that we had the opportunity to go up and unfortunatley couldnt take it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 19, 2011, 09:58:34 AM
If its any consolation out in front I think you will win div 4 easy next year. Mitchels are very poor, and you would not recognize the current dundrum team from the one you would have last played a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 19, 2011, 12:10:27 PM
agree with outinfront, we diddnt take the opportunity to go up automatically. when you look back our first game of the season v Bright and against Saul when we were 8 up I think cost us dearly. if we had taken those 3 points we would be in Div 3.

regarding the new proposals I would be in favour of them, anything that get us a higher standard of football, its that simple
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 19, 2011, 02:41:04 PM
Quote from: outinfront on November 18, 2011, 10:54:59 PM
Well i would be in favour of some sort of change.  It was totally gutting putting in hard work this year, trying to keep it all going and then losing out in the play off.  Competitve football is what everyone wants.  It would be good to Find a way to do this and help all teams develop.
Having said that we had the opportunity to go up and unfortunatley couldnt take it.

I have no doubt that Bredagh will walk Division 4 next year. No team will be able to get near you's. Regardless if the League structures change or not, you's are where you's are. League tables don't lie.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 19, 2011, 05:43:43 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 19, 2011, 12:10:27 PM
agree with outinfront, we diddnt take the opportunity to go up automatically. when you look back our first game of the season v Bright and against Saul when we were 8 up I think cost us dearly. if we had taken those 3 points we would be in Div 3.

regarding the new proposals I would be in favour of them, anything that get us a higher standard of football, its that simple

Fair assessment SB.I don't think it does yourselves,Dundrum or Down football any good to be playing in Division 4.Though I respect your fear of change DF,my argument for 3 divisions is on the basis of experience in Div 2,3,4.I am passionate about GAA in Down as a whole,and one of my biggest frustrations is that most of the Club units of Down GAA contribute little playing wise to the county effort.We must try to address this if we are going to meet our potential as a county.Maybe my strong feelings are also on the basis,that as a father I don't particularly want my sons to be consigned to a footballing career in the lower leagues.In my own club,I know how hard it is to make the step from div 4 to div 2.Div 4 clubs may get a cohort of good players coming along,but by the time they work through the divisions,the momentum,can be lost,and they slip back down.Mayobridge is the only club in Down to have come from div 4 to div 1,in living memory.If we can work a system that elevates the self esteem of these Div 4 clubs,raises standards,and yet clubs have the majority of their games against teams with a roughly even standard(this would be ensured with a split),then I'm all for it.I think it's grossly unfair to our players,particularly young players starting out,to on the one hand demand their loyalty to the club they are born into,and the other hand consign them to Div 4 Football.Again, I reiterate that this is not a groundbreaking step to take,and in the unlikely event that it doesn't work out ,it's hardly the end of the world.Why not give this opportunity to Div 4 Players.
Regarding the championship proposal,anecdotally,players are delighted with this move.Again ,why not run with it,I'm confident we won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 19, 2011, 07:25:33 PM
QuoteMayobridge is the only club in Down to have come from div 4 to div 1,in living memory

Maybe not division 4, but you'd have found Kilcoo, Saval, Ballyholland, Longstone, An Riocht, Liatroim all languishing in lower league football 20 odd years ago. Along with Mayobridge, they're now all SFC staples.

The county board doesn't decide a club's position 6th Sam. The attitude, resolve and persistence of its members do this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 19, 2011, 09:51:37 PM
I agree with you 100% wobbler, if a team is good enough they will prosper in the current structures. Bredagh posters are upset that they lost out in the play-offs, but you cannot adjust the leagues just to give them a lift up. Similarily you cannot change division 2 just to accomodate the loser between kilclief, carryduff and tullylish, these 3 teams are quite a bit ahead of the rest of div 3 and whoever loses out will be sore too. But that is sport. Ardglass lost out in the playoffs 5 out of 7 years to get to div 2 and while it was disappointing at the time you have to regroup and try again.

Unless you actually win the league and lose in a play-off, which happened in previous years, there is no room for complaint.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 19, 2011, 09:57:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 19, 2011, 07:25:33 PM
QuoteMayobridge is the only club in Down to have come from div 4 to div 1,in living memory

Maybe not division 4, but you'd have found Kilcoo, Saval, Ballyholland, Longstone, An Riocht, Liatroim all languishing in lower league football 20 odd years ago. Along with Mayobridge, they're now all SFC staples.

The county board doesn't decide a club's position 6th Sam. The attitude, resolve and persistence of its members do this.

In this seasons div 4 almost half the clubs played in div 2 at some stage over the last 15 years, Saul, Drumaness (div1), Dromara, Teconnaught (div1 maybe 20 years ago), bredagh and maybe even bright, not sure about them though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 20, 2011, 11:50:53 AM
Glenn not fielding today so Kilclief are promoted back into Division 2. It's been some year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 20, 2011, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: No1 on November 20, 2011, 11:50:53 AM
Glenn not fielding today so Kilclief are promoted back into Division 2. It's been some year!

Can you not get a team?
All the best to Burren today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 20, 2011, 01:42:42 PM
Ardtole, are you suggesting that the county board are redoing the leagues to get Bredagh into Div 3? Of course I am upset, as is the entire club that we diddnt get up and this will make us more determined to get out of Div 4 next year.
I agree that the league tables dont lie, and I think I posted something to that fact a while ago. we are where we are due to not getting enough points, then being defeated in the play offs.
I would like to be able to play more competitive games week in and week out, not just about 6 per year, that doesnt improve you as a team.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 20, 2011, 04:25:41 PM
No I am not suggesting that. Im saying that you support the new proposals because it will benefit you most, which is only natural. However, I think the leagues are fine the way they are and should be left untouched. My own club could well be in your position next year and if we are relegated to div 4 il accept that. Hopefully it won't come to that though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 21, 2011, 09:47:27 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 19, 2011, 07:25:33 PM
QuoteMayobridge is the only club in Down to have come from div 4 to div 1,in living memory

Maybe not division 4, but you'd have found Kilcoo, Saval, Ballyholland, Longstone, An Riocht, Liatroim all languishing in lower league football 20 odd years ago. Along with Mayobridge, they're now all SFC staples.

The county board doesn't decide a club's position 6th Sam. The attitude, resolve and persistence of its members do this.

Good point,Wobbler.However,I think An riocht were never lower than div 2.Longstone,Liatroim,and Kilcoo havent been in div 2 in ~20 years,Ballyholland and Saval 10 years+.Even then, all these clubs were ambitious and in the higher echelons of Div 3.I think only Longstone were ever in Div 4,and that was 30+ years ago.
Some of these clubs have also benefitted from transfers in from less successful neighbours,and good luck to them,but my main reason for supporting a 3 tier system,is that every club in the county,and particularly their players, have an achievable opportunity to play at higher standard ,if they have the ambition to do so.This potentially decreases the likelihood that county stars of the future are lost in the lower division,and/or feel compelled to join a more successful club.I reiterate that as an ambitious county,we can't afford to continue to write off potential county players in lower league clubs,while our more successful rivals (eg Dublin,Cork,Kerry,Tyrone) are picking from a wider pool of clubs.In the absence of any other proposals to rectify this,I am happy to support the county boards proposals,which may help.The county board proposals have even more credibility,as they have a vested interest in helping ALL clubs.And at the risk of being repetive,if it doesn't work out,we can easily revert to the current system.

I would ask posters to ponder on this scenario:
A talented player  with the skill,athletic ability and attitude to be a county player,lives in the catchment area of a Div 4 club.He does well at underage,and gets on county development squads etc.He wins schools medals,but leaves school at 16.His club floats between Div 3 and 4,over the years,and he works his way onto the county squad.He doesn't make the breakthrough,and many outside his club are telling him he needs to switch to a more successful club,if he wants reach his potential.His club gets relegated to division 4.He has a dilemma,does he jeopardise his county career,by playing div 4,or does he seek a transfer,with all the implications of that?
My argument is that if there are 3 divisions,this player is given a better opportunity to reach their potential IN THEIR OWN CLUB.

When I was playing/coaching, our club had the attitude,resolve and persistence to go from the bottom of Div 4 to Div 2,but it took 6 years,that's too long for any potential county player to be languishing in the lower division playing a lower standard of football.We owe this opportunity not so much to lower division clubs,but more particularly to potential county players in the lower leagues.In the absence of a better alternative,we MUST take this opportunity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 21, 2011, 10:44:59 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 21, 2011, 09:47:27 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 19, 2011, 07:25:33 PM
QuoteMayobridge is the only club in Down to have come from div 4 to div 1,in living memory

Maybe not division 4, but you'd have found Kilcoo, Saval, Ballyholland, Longstone, An Riocht, Liatroim all languishing in lower league football 20 odd years ago. Along with Mayobridge, they're now all SFC staples.

The county board doesn't decide a club's position 6th Sam. The attitude, resolve and persistence of its members do this.

Good point,Wobbler.However,I think An riocht were never lower than div 2.Longstone,Liatroim,and Kilcoo havent been in div 2 in ~20 years,Ballyholland and Saval 10 years+.Even then, all these clubs were ambitious and in the higher echelons of Div 3.I think only Longstone were ever in Div 4,and that was 30+ years ago.
Some of these clubs have also benefitted from transfers in from less successful neighbours,and good luck to them,but my main reason for supporting a 3 tier system,is that every club in the county,and particularly their players, have an achievable opportunity to play at higher standard ,if they have the ambition to do so.This potentially decreases the likelihood that county stars of the future are lost in the lower division,and/or feel compelled to join a more successful club.I reiterate that as an ambitious county,we can't afford to continue to write off potential county players in lower league clubs,while our more successful rivals (eg Dublin,Cork,Kerry,Tyrone) are picking from a wider pool of clubs.In the absence of any other proposals to rectify this,I am happy to support the county boards proposals,which may help.The county board proposals have even more credibility,as they have a vested interest in helping ALL clubs.And at the risk of being repetive,if it doesn't work out,we can easily revert to the current system.

I would ask posters to ponder on this scenario:
A talented player  with the skill,athletic ability and attitude to be a county player,lives in the catchment area of a Div 4 club.He does well at underage,and gets on county development squads etc.He wins schools medals,but leaves school at 16.His club floats between Div 3 and 4,over the years,and he works his way onto the county squad.He doesn't make the breakthrough,and many outside his club are telling him he needs to switch to a more successful club,if he wants reach his potential.His club gets relegated to division 4.He has a dilemma,does he jeopardise his county career,by playing div 4,or does he seek a transfer,with all the implications of that?
My argument is that if there are 3 divisions,this player is given a better opportunity to reach their potential IN THEIR OWN CLUB.

When I was playing our club had the attitude,resolve and persistence to go from the bottom of Div 4 to Div 2,but it took 6 years,that's too long for any potential county player to be languishing in the lower division playing a lower standard of football.We owe this opportunity not so much to lower division clubs,but more particularly to potential county players in the lower leagues.In the absence of a better alternative,we MUST take this opportunity.

Lad, Ive made the following point numerous times in the past regarding potential county Senior players in the lower echelons. There are very few of them and the ones that are stand out like sore thumbs.

Paul McComiskey is the best player in the bottom two Divisions. Whilst playing with a Division 4 club at the time he top scored in an All Ireland Minor Final in 2005 with 1-03. He won a Sigerson medal, hit 0-04 in an All Ireland U-21 Final and then posted 0-03 in an All Senior Final. He's been a staple of the county Senior side since he was 19.

Having 3 Divisions is not going to unearth some unheralded superstar. A lot of players in Division 3 and 4 have been given their chance in the past especially under Ross Carr but they haven't been able to make an impact. Kevin Anderson, John McAreavey, Declan Alder and Michael Magee all come to mind.

To say we are writing off our counties chances by not picking players from lower clubs is a complete load of shite. Bar McComiskey, players that are going to make a sizeable impact on the county scene from Division 3 and 4 clubs don't exist.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: QUB GAA Research on November 21, 2011, 01:47:12 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 21, 2011, 04:11:42 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 21, 2011, 10:44:59 AM

Lad, Ive made the following point numerous times in the past regarding potential county Senior players in the lower echelons. There are very few of them and the ones that are stand out like sore thumbs.  AGREED

Paul McComiskey is the best player in the bottom two Divisions.AGREED Whilst playing with a Division 4 club at the time he top scored in an All Ireland Minor Final in 2005 with 1-03. He won a Sigerson medal, hit 0-04 in an All Ireland U-21 Final and then posted 0-03 in an All Senior Final. He's been a staple of the county Senior side since he was 19.AGREED,THOUGH HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OF SIGERSON TRAINING,WHEN LAST IN DIV 4.PAUL IS AN OUTSTANDING PLAYER WHO EMERGED THANKS TO NATURAL ABILITY,SUPERB ATTITUDE AND GREAT COACHING VIA SCHOOL,COUNTY AND THE ST JOSEPHS YOUTH TEAMS.

Having 3 Divisions is not going to unearth some unheralded superstar. A lot of players in Division 3 and 4 have been given their chance in the past especially under Ross Carr but they haven't been able to make an impact. Kevin Anderson, John McAreavey, Declan Alder and Michael Magee all come to mind.WHO'S TO SAY THAT THESE LADS WOULDNT HAVE DEVELOPED IF THEY HAD BEEN PLAYING DIV 3,PUSHING ON TO DIV 2 IN THEIR FORMATIVE YEARS(WITH THE OBVIOUS EXCEPTION OF THE EXCELLENT ALDER,A COUNTY STANDARD KEEPER,WHO HAS TO COMPETE FOR A SINGLE POSITION,AGAINST AN ALL STAR)

To say we are writing off our counties chances by not picking players from lower clubs is a complete load of shite. Bar McComiskey, players that are going to make a sizeable impact on the county scene from Division 3 and 4 clubs don't exist.WHY DO THEY EXIST IN OTHER TOP COUNTIES?
I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT THIS YEAR,JAMES SHOULD GO LOOKING FOR PLAYERS IN DIV 3,4,BECAUSE I FEEL THAT COUNTY MANAGEMENT HAVE TRAWLED THE COUNTY ALREADY.BUT I WOULD LIKE DOWN TO BE IN A POSITION OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS WHERE MORE COUNTY PLAYERS EMERGE FROM WEAKER CLUBS,TO WIDEN THE SELECTION POOL-AS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME IN KERRY
I FEEL THIS CHANGE WILL ONLY SEE BENEFIT IN THE LONG TERM.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 21, 2011, 05:06:02 PM
Its ironic that on the tyrone pages they are arguing for a change from 3 divisions to 4, arguing that there are too many meaningless end of season games, a large number of 1 sided games etc. The grass is always greener.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on November 21, 2011, 06:41:57 PM
I think the ideaa of these changes are utter rubbish.. I play for a div 4 club and we are there for a reason, we are simply not good enough for div 3. What enjoyment would there be for players after taking some heavy beatings from some of the bigger clubs in Div 3. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 22, 2011, 12:38:36 AM
Quote from: ardtole on November 21, 2011, 05:06:02 PM
Its ironic that on the tyrone pages they are arguing for a change from 3 divisions to 4, arguing that there are too many meaningless end of season games, a large number of 1 sided games etc. The grass is always greener.

Great,a bit of genuine evidenced based comment,re the experience in the Tyrone leagues.
I think the same would happen in Down if we went to 3 conventional  leagues,and to be fair the 2nd round of games in div 4 this year resulted in a number of one sided ,or not-played games late in the season.However,as highlighted earlier, having a midseason split,means that  lower league clubs would actually only end up with at most  1 or 2 more games against higher standard opposition,but more importantly will be revitalised by the prospect of end of season games against similar standard opposition.If they receive a heavy defeat,at least they know they won't have to face that opposition again that year.
Embracing this concept takes some imagination,but I feel we owe this opportunity to Div 4 players.
Our club is arguably one of only 2 clubs in Down this year,who are disadvantaged by this concept,but having discussed it,we are prepared to accept it for the greater good of Down football.

In any given county there are a limited amount of footballers with the natural,elite athleticism to become top county players.This natural elite athletic ability  knows no geographical boundaries (ie this natural athleticism is as likely to arise in Ballykinlar as Burren) We already write off ~75% of our county's population ,as they are not interested in GAA.Can we afford to write off 50% of the remainder.

Another scenario:
A quality youth player emerges in the catchment area of X......GAC.He plays soccer for Ballynagross as well as gaelic.
Watch his career path.In soccer he has the opportunity to  transfer from Ballynagross to the higher grade Lisburn League,there he may be spotted by Celtic,and secure another transfer to play for them,make Celtic first team,and then seek international honours.In other words,throughout his career he has  the opportunity to progress through higher standard clubs,to achieve his potential.
Meanwhile in gaelic he remains playing with X..... GAC.He is a talented player who lives in X.... and has no grounds to transfer elsewhere.He is county standard and makes county development squads.He prefers gaelic,and decides that his club colleagues don't match his ambition,and won't train.He requests a transfer to Y....GAC.to play a higher standard of football,but X....GAC won't sign his transfer as he lives in their parish.His uncle Johnny is disgusted with him for his lack of loyalty to the family club.He decides to give up Gaelic and concentrate on developing his soccer career.

In soccer he is allowed to develop his potential, as he has freedom of movement through higher standard clubs.In GAA he can not move without valid reason(and rightly so),so he is totally dependent on the resources,ambition,and organisation of his  home club.This bold move by the county board means that any club in Down,can have realistic ambitions to play SFC,and  allow potential county players to develop in their own club,because if any club in Down gets their act together,they are only 2 seasons away from SFC football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on November 22, 2011, 01:37:26 AM
All clubs can play SFC football in two seasons as it is.

Which club are you from 6th Sam? Just wondering who you think the 2 clubs are that disadvantaged by these proposals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on November 22, 2011, 08:51:52 AM
What was the Down line up for the game against Armagh last night?? How did they perform and what was the score??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on November 22, 2011, 08:23:27 PM
the new propasals are nonsense, they will not aide down football in any way. If they go ahead there will be so many more non event games at the end of the season as there is no relegation and also it will leave it that teams at the top will benefit playing teams at the bottom later in the season so the fixture layout will majorly benifit some promotion chasing teams . Also if a div 4 team is good enough they will get to div 3 in 2 years which is possible under the current format. I predict alot of the east down teams going for this proposal as it will benifit them as that league will be easier if its geographically based.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 23, 2011, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on November 22, 2011, 08:23:27 PM
the new propasals are nonsense, they will not aide down football in any way. If they go ahead there will be so many more non event games at the end of the season as there is no relegation and also it will leave it that teams at the top will benefit playing teams at the bottom later in the season so the fixture layout will majorly benifit some promotion chasing teams . Also if a div 4 team is good enough they will get to div 3 in 2 years which is possible under the current format. I predict alot of the east down teams going for this proposal as it will benifit them as that league will be easier if its geographically based.

First of all ,I would imagine that the leagues will be seeded on current league position,and then consider convenient geographical location.There was no proposal to go East and South Down.Div 4 and Div 3 this year both had a number of non-played or "dead rubber" games.None of these occurred in the first half of the season.
If the league is split after 1 round of fixtures,then every team in Div 3 will have end of season games against roughly equal standard opposition.This will test the top teams,and prepare them for Div 2,and give the bottom teams something to fight for at the end of season.The extra incentive for all teams,could be that final league position,will determine seeding for 2013,league and championship.Therefore every team is likely to play the full season out-which didn't occur this year.

I imagine,that the goals of the county board are to revitalise football in both lower leagues,particularly for those at the bottom of Div 4.And also to try to ensure ambitious,potential county footballers are given a better opportunity to develop  IN THEIR OWN CLUB,and perhaps eventually see more county players emerge from lower league clubs(as happens in other counties).In the absence of any better proposals,to achieve those  goals,I feel clubs should back these proposals for the good of Down football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 23, 2011, 10:12:59 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on November 21, 2011, 06:41:57 PM
I think the ideaa of these changes are utter rubbish.. I play for a div 4 club and we are there for a reason, we are simply not good enough for div 3. What enjoyment would there be for players after taking some heavy beatings from some of the bigger clubs in Div 3.

I would argue that in this year's Div 4,3 clubs were of comparable to Div 3 standard(if you look at Drumaness,Saul and Bredagh's results over the past two years). Your club St Michaels,therefore had to play 6 games against Div 3 standard teams,and probably didn't look forward to the return fixture in the 2nd round.
In the new system,you would have only 7 or 8 games versus Div 3 standard opposition in the first round of the league.Then say you finish 9th,the remainder of the season is played out with 1 round of fixtures,against the bottom 8 teams for the Div 3B title.This makes every game in the season meaningful,not like this year,with a number of unplayed games in both Divisions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fairplay on November 23, 2011, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 23, 2011, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on November 22, 2011, 08:23:27 PM
the new propasals are nonsense, they will not aide down football in any way. If they go ahead there will be so many more non event games at the end of the season as there is no relegation and also it will leave it that teams at the top will benefit playing teams at the bottom later in the season so the fixture layout will majorly benifit some promotion chasing teams . Also if a div 4 team is good enough they will get to div 3 in 2 years which is possible under the current format. I predict alot of the east down teams going for this proposal as it will benifit them as that league will be easier if its geographically based.

First of all ,I would imagine that the leagues will be seeded on current league position,and then consider convenient geographical location.There was no proposal to go East and South Down.Div 4 and Div 3 this year both had a number of non-played or "dead rubber" games.None of these occurred in the first half of the season.
If the league is split after 1 round of fixtures,then every team in Div 3 will have end of season games against roughly equal standard opposition.This will test the top teams,and prepare them for Div 2,and give the bottom teams something to fight for at the end of season.The extra incentive for all teams,is that final league position,will determine seeding for 2013,league and championship.Therefore every team is likely to play the full season out-which didn't occur this year.

I imagine,that the goals of the county board are to revitalise football in both lower leagues,particularly for those at the bottom of Div 4.And also to try to ensure ambitious,potential county footballers are given a better opportunity to develop  IN THEIR OWN CLUB,and perhaps eventually see more county players emerge from lower league clubs(as happens in other counties).In the absence of any better proposals,to achieve those  goals,I feel clubs should back these proposals for the good of Down football
6thSam,
    will you be attending the County Board yourself as you have made some great points which if put forward to the delegates will surely win over the doubters?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 23, 2011, 10:31:33 AM
Quote from: fairplay on November 23, 2011, 10:13:17 AM
  6thSam,
    will you be attending the County Board yourself as you have made some great points which if put forward to the delegates will surely win over the doubters?

No,I am not a member of the county board,or a club delegate.It's just that I feel that our club structures,have benefitted from recent imaginative county board improvements and could be improved further.The main problem I have, is that more than 50% of our clubs don't contribute to the county playing effort.These proposals may not improve that in the short term,but at least the county board is trying to do something about it.I hope that clubs respect the county board's good faith on this one,as otherwise it may be an opportunity lost.

By the way ,good luck on Sunday,Fair play!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on November 23, 2011, 12:00:09 PM
Is there actually a split of the leagues at the halfway point mentioned in these proposals.
Also there defiantly is a mention of splitting the leagues based on the location of the clubs rather than some sort of seedings.
Maybe there is some merit to your idea 6th Sam but the current proposals differ greatly from what you are discussing and IMO are of no benefit to any team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 23, 2011, 12:12:59 PM
6th Sam, there's only 30 odd players in a county squad. Even if we went down a fascist route of 1 player per club, we'd still only have 70% of clubs supplying county players.

I know you mean well in what you're suggesting, but what club you play for and what league you play in has only a small sway in your chances of county football. Natural ability and determination are the overriding factors. I'd even go so far as to say that attending a GAA secondary school, where you play and train at an elite level for 7 years, has much more influence on your football ability than juvenile club training and structures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EDChief on November 23, 2011, 12:14:45 PM
Long time Lurker.  First time poster.

Having looked at the new proposals for the league structure i think that they could do with a bit of tweeking, of that there is no doubt.
The idea of getting the league finished up before August is to to be commended.
Look at the ridiculous situation that Carryduff and Tullylish find themselves in this weekend.
A disgrace that this game is being played at this time of the year and neither has had a competitive game in weeks.

The current proposals need to have a division 3 split after half the games.
As stated previously this will give those clubs of a lesser standard something to play for.

With emmigration becoming a huge problem in rural clubs, you may find "bigger" clubs status will also be affected in the coming years.  You may seen some of the regulars of our first and second division on the slide.
These proposals will give clubs the chance to regroup quickly whenever(IF) these players return.

They are worth a shot.  As all ready stated, if they fail we can always revert to what we had
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Chief on November 23, 2011, 12:38:51 PM
When is this Co Board meeting and vote, if anything once the proposal is inevitably rejected, at least it'll put an end to the repetitve posts on this board that have been put on over the past 3 weeks or so


Plenty of Divison 3 and 4 players have been given a chance with the county football team over the past few years, whether it be trials at senior, U21 or minor level, or as part of the panel. Truth is, the vast majority of them just aren't good enough

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on November 23, 2011, 02:38:27 PM
Finally Carryduff and Tullylish get to fulfill the promotion playoff fixture this weekend after a month of non competitive football, madness!! I don't know how both sets of management teams have kept their respective squads motivated over this period.

Surely now the County Board will see the misgivings in the leagues and the way they are played out. I don't agree with the massive changes that are proposed i.e.combining 3rd and 4th divisions, this is a rediculous proposal, however something will have to be done.

The suspension of the league for a full month during July was inexplicable, the other problem was teams postponing fixtures due to other sporting commitments.

I wish both Carryduff and Tullylish the best this weekend pity only one can be promoted. Also best of luck to Burren, keep the Down flag flying!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 23, 2011, 03:01:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 23, 2011, 12:12:59 PM
6th Sam, there's only 30 odd players in a county squad. Even if we went down a fascist route of 1 player per club, we'd still only have 70% of clubs supplying county players.

I know you mean well in what you're suggesting, but what club you play for and what league you play in has only a small sway in your chances of county football. Natural ability and determination are the overriding factors. I'd even go so far as to say that attending a GAA secondary school, where you play and train at an elite level for 7 years, has much more influence on your football ability than juvenile club training and structures.

Fair points wobbler,but county board can't do much about the school issue.
Also why do other counties have a greater spread of clubs on their senior team-is it their club structures or are there other reasons for it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 23, 2011, 03:05:31 PM
Quote from: The Chief on November 23, 2011, 12:38:51 PM
When is this Co Board meeting and vote, if anything once the proposal is inevitably rejected, at least it'll put an end to the repetitve posts on this board that have been put on over the past 3 weeks or so


Plenty of Divison 3 and 4 players have been given a chance with the county football team over the past few years, whether it be trials at senior, U21 or minor level, or as part of the panel. Truth is, the vast majority of them just aren't good enough

I don't think anyone suggested that county managers have not given players a chance.We are talking about a long term plan to improve standards across all clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 23, 2011, 03:13:00 PM
Which counties are these 6 Sams?

Derry had half of Ballinderry playing for them for years. Tyrone could have picked a 15 more-or-less from Errigal, Moy and Ardboe throughout the noughties. Take St Eunan's, Naomh Conaill and Four Masters players out of the Donegal squad, and you'd be left with enough for a netball team. Armagh had 4 Mullaghbawn men and 3 Cross men in the team alone when they won in 2002.

And seeing as nobody else has won an Ulster title in recent memory, maybe we don't need to keep looking at other teams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 23, 2011, 03:28:07 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 19, 2011, 07:25:33 PM
QuoteMayobridge is the only club in Down to have come from div 4 to div 1,in living memory

Maybe not division 4, but you'd have found Kilcoo, Saval, Ballyholland, Longstone, An Riocht, Liatroim all languishing in lower league football 20 odd years ago. Along with Mayobridge, they're now all SFC staples.

I can check the dates, but if I remember right, we (Kilcoo) got promoted from Div 3 to Div 2 in '97, then to Div 1 in '98.

Dundrum might even have dumped us into Div 4 in the late 80s/early 90s... I'm just a touch too young to remember for sure though! (pretty sure we did have a league play off against them, not sure if it was a promotion or relegation play-off)


Quote from: thewobbler on November 19, 2011, 07:25:33 PM
The county board doesn't decide a club's position 6th Sam. The attitude, resolve and persistence of its members do this.

Absolutely.

Anything else is just excuses.

If a club goes looking for advice and help on how to coach youngsters, they will get it. But the club needs to be serious about taking it on.

Luckily for me, our committee and members were very serious and followed through. So, when I was coming through underage, men like Ray Morgan were in training us once in a while and showing our coaches new methods at the same time.

Now, there are a number of county development officers - so clubs really don't have much to hide behind for not getting their coaching up to scratch if they are serious about it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on November 23, 2011, 06:39:47 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 23, 2011, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on November 22, 2011, 08:23:27 PM
the new propasals are nonsense, they will not aide down football in any way. If they go ahead there will be so many more non event games at the end of the season as there is no relegation and also it will leave it that teams at the top will benefit playing teams at the bottom later in the season so the fixture layout will majorly benifit some promotion chasing teams . Also if a div 4 team is good enough they will get to div 3 in 2 years which is possible under the current format. I predict alot of the east down teams going for this proposal as it will benifit them as that league will be easier if its geographically based.

First of all ,I would imagine that the leagues will be seeded on current league position,and then consider convenient geographical location.There was no proposal to go East and South Down.Div 4 and Div 3 this year both had a number of non-played or "dead rubber" games.None of these occurred in the first half of the season.
If the league is split after 1 round of fixtures,then every team in Div 3 will have end of season games against roughly equal standard opposition.This will test the top teams,and prepare them for Div 2,and give the bottom teams something to fight for at the end of season.The extra incentive for all teams,could be that final league position,will determine seeding for 2013,league and championship.Therefore every team is likely to play the full season out-which didn't occur this year.

I imagine,that the goals of the county board are to revitalise football in both lower leagues,particularly for those at the bottom of Div 4.And also to try to ensure ambitious,potential county footballers are given a better opportunity to develop  IN THEIR OWN CLUB,and perhaps eventually see more county players emerge from lower league clubs(as happens in other counties).In the absence of any better proposals,to achieve those  goals,I feel clubs should back these proposals for the good of Down football

You need to do better research. Two of the main reasons given for the change are cutting travel costs and maxamising game attendance so it will be based geographically. As for your point about county players improving, it has no basis. A county standard player will shine in div 4 and 3 with the current set up, as proven by kevin anderson, mc comiskey, harrison  and more lately miskelly . The reason there are not more county standard players in division 3 and 4 is the bad youth set ups and poor player development techniques of these teams. The youth structures need changed to bring a better standard of player through.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 23, 2011, 08:05:06 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on November 23, 2011, 03:28:07 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 19, 2011, 07:25:33 PM
QuoteMayobridge is the only club in Down to have come from div 4 to div 1,in living memory

Maybe not division 4, but you'd have found Kilcoo, Saval, Ballyholland, Longstone, An Riocht, Liatroim all languishing in lower league football 20 odd years ago. Along with Mayobridge, they're now all SFC staples.

I can check the dates, but if I remember right, we (Kilcoo) got promoted from Div 3 to Div 2 in '97, then to Div 1 in '98.

Dundrum might even have dumped us into Div 4 in the late 80s/early 90s... I'm just a touch too young to remember for sure though! (pretty sure we did have a league play off against them, not sure if it was a promotion or relegation play-off)

Quote from: thewobbler on November 19, 2011, 07:25:33 PM
The county board doesn't decide a club's position 6th Sam. The attitude, resolve and persistence of its members do this.

Absolutely.

Anything else is just excuses.

If a club goes looking for advice and help on how to coach youngsters, they will get it. But the club needs to be serious about taking it on.

Luckily for me, our committee and members were very serious and followed through. So, when I was coming through underage, men like Ray Morgan were in training us once in a while and showing our coaches new methods at the same time.

Now, there are a number of county development officers - so clubs really don't have much to hide behind for not getting their coaching up to scratch if they are serious about it.

Dundrum were runners up in 1986 in Division 4 and got promotion. Then in 1987 we won Division 3. We stayed in Division 2 until 1994. We also claimed the scalp of Saval in the 1st Round of the SFC in 1990. I think Shamrocks beat us in the Quarter Finals that year.

I've a newspaper snippet from 1989 from a Division 2 game were Dundrum beat Kilcoo 1-08 to 1-07 in Dundrum. James and Dan Morgan were marked out as star Kilcoo performers that day. John Kielty, brother of Paddy, top scored with 0-05.

Funnily enough alongside that snippet it showed that Dundrum won a further two games that week. We hammered Warrepoint 4-08 to 0-04 and beat Carryduff 2-05 to 0-09. How times have changed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on November 23, 2011, 09:30:50 PM

Have to agree with Stiff Breeze here. 6th Sam has been repeating his argument for a while now. Yes it is always a good thing to try and improve player development and increase the prospects of county players coming from all clubs but how a change in league structures will achieve that I don't know. For the most part, the reasons that you give for change can in no way be attributed to the change that has been proposed.

Most people can see that these proposals are not good and will only be to the short term gain of a handful of clubs. Again I must say that the reasons for games not being played in Div 3 this year was poor planning, not the league structure.

I certainly hope it isn't a case of those that shout loudest getting their way. A wee bit of rational thinking will tell you that these proposals would do more harm than good!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bearly on loose on November 23, 2011, 10:53:36 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 23, 2011, 08:05:06 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on November 23, 2011, 03:28:07 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 19, 2011, 07:25:33 PM
QuoteMayobridge is the only club in Down to have come from div 4 to div 1,in living memory

Maybe not division 4, but you'd have found Kilcoo, Saval, Ballyholland, Longstone, An Riocht, Liatroim all languishing in lower league football 20 odd years ago. Along with Mayobridge, they're now all SFC staples.

I can check the dates, but if I remember right, we (Kilcoo) got promoted from Div 3 to Div 2 in '97, then to Div 1 in '98.

Dundrum might even have dumped us into Div 4 in the late 80s/early 90s... I'm just a touch too young to remember for sure though! (pretty sure we did have a league play off against them, not sure if it was a promotion or relegation play-off)

Quote from: thewobbler on November 19, 2011, 07:25:33 PM
The county board doesn't decide a club's position 6th Sam. The attitude, resolve and persistence of its members do this.

Absolutely.

Anything else is just excuses.

If a club goes looking for advice and help on how to coach youngsters, they will get it. But the club needs to be serious about taking it on.

Luckily for me, our committee and members were very serious and followed through. So, when I was coming through underage, men like Ray Morgan were in training us once in a while and showing our coaches new methods at the same time.

Now, there are a number of county development officers - so clubs really don't have much to hide behind for not getting their coaching up to scratch if they are serious about it.

Dundrum were runners up in 1986 in Division 4 and got promotion. Then in 1987 we won Division 3. We stayed in Division 2 until 1994. We also claimed the scalp of Saval in the 1st Round of the SFC in 1989. I think Shamrocks beat us in the Quarter Finals that year.

I've a newspaper snippet from 1989 from a Division 2 game were Dundrum beat Kilcoo 1-08 to 1-07 in Dundrum. James and Dan Morgan were marked out as star Kilcoo performers that day. John Kielty, brother of Paddy, top scored with 0-05.

Funnily enough alongside that snippet it showed that Dundrum won a further two games that week. We hammered Warrepoint 4-08 to 0-04 and beat Carryduff 2-05 to 0-09. How times have changed.

You may wish to inform the county records on that.  According to those Saval defeated Liatroim in the Intermediate Championship final in 1989.   Perhaps it was the following year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 23, 2011, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: Bearly on loose on November 23, 2011, 10:53:36 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 23, 2011, 08:05:06 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on November 23, 2011, 03:28:07 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 19, 2011, 07:25:33 PM
QuoteMayobridge is the only club in Down to have come from div 4 to div 1,in living memory

Maybe not division 4, but you'd have found Kilcoo, Saval, Ballyholland, Longstone, An Riocht, Liatroim all languishing in lower league football 20 odd years ago. Along with Mayobridge, they're now all SFC staples.

I can check the dates, but if I remember right, we (Kilcoo) got promoted from Div 3 to Div 2 in '97, then to Div 1 in '98.

Dundrum might even have dumped us into Div 4 in the late 80s/early 90s... I'm just a touch too young to remember for sure though! (pretty sure we did have a league play off against them, not sure if it was a promotion or relegation play-off)

Quote from: thewobbler on November 19, 2011, 07:25:33 PM
The county board doesn't decide a club's position 6th Sam. The attitude, resolve and persistence of its members do this.

Absolutely.

Anything else is just excuses.

If a club goes looking for advice and help on how to coach youngsters, they will get it. But the club needs to be serious about taking it on.

Luckily for me, our committee and members were very serious and followed through. So, when I was coming through underage, men like Ray Morgan were in training us once in a while and showing our coaches new methods at the same time.

Now, there are a number of county development officers - so clubs really don't have much to hide behind for not getting their coaching up to scratch if they are serious about it.

Dundrum were runners up in 1986 in Division 4 and got promotion. Then in 1987 we won Division 3. We stayed in Division 2 until 1994. We also claimed the scalp of Saval in the 1st Round of the SFC in 1989. I think Shamrocks beat us in the Quarter Finals that year.

I've a newspaper snippet from 1989 from a Division 2 game were Dundrum beat Kilcoo 1-08 to 1-07 in Dundrum. James and Dan Morgan were marked out as star Kilcoo performers that day. John Kielty, brother of Paddy, top scored with 0-05.

Funnily enough alongside that snippet it showed that Dundrum won a further two games that week. We hammered Warrepoint 4-08 to 0-04 and beat Carryduff 2-05 to 0-09. How times have changed.

You may wish to inform the county records on that.  According to those Saval defeated Liatroim in the Intermediate Championship final in 1989.   Perhaps it was the following year.

Your right. It was 1990 not 1989.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on November 24, 2011, 06:52:58 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 09, 2011, 05:18:25 PM
County's Latest Proposals to be voted on at the next County Board meeting.



Proposal for re-structuring of Division 3 and the doing away of Division 4

3A                       3B
Ballymartin          Drumgath
Tullylish           Kilclief
Carryduff           Darragh Cross
St John Bosco    Glasdrumman
Glenn            Atticall
Ardglass          St John's
Dundrum           Mitchel's
Saul            Drumaness
Bredagh            Dromara
St Paul's               Bright
Teconnaught       St Michaels
Aghaderg             Aughlisnafin
Ballykinlar   
   

In 2012 there would be no Division 4 but rather a Division 3a and 3B this would be an honest attempt to assist those smaller Clubs with more regional based fixtures which would have hopefully the two fold purpose of cutting down travel costs but in turn maximising home gates. These leagues include Kilclief, Carryduff and Tullylish but in 2012 only one of these teams will be still in Division 3 and thus there will need to be adjustment once the final permutations are known, we are asking that you support this in principle.

The two top teams in 3A and 3B would meet in Semi Finals with the top two teams then gaining promotion to Division 2.
There would be no relegation and as such would stop the yo yo effect of some teams between Division 3 and 4, we need to open the opportunity to people to play in Division 2, this gives Clubs the opportunity to grasp that chance to play in Division 2 and a high level of senior football for a season as opposed to getting one game in a Senior Championship as an amalgamation.

Quote from: stiff breeze on November 23, 2011, 06:39:47 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 23, 2011, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on November 22, 2011, 08:23:27 PM
the new propasals are nonsense, they will not aide down football in any way. If they go ahead there will be so many more non event games at the end of the season as there is no relegation and also it will leave it that teams at the top will benefit playing teams at the bottom later in the season so the fixture layout will majorly benifit some promotion chasing teams . Also if a div 4 team is good enough they will get to div 3 in 2 years which is possible under the current format. I predict alot of the east down teams going for this proposal as it will benifit them as that league will be easier if its geographically based.

First of all ,I would imagine that the leagues will be seeded on current league position,and then consider convenient geographical location.There was no proposal to go East and South Down.Div 4 and Div 3 this year both had a number of non-played or "dead rubber" games.None of these occurred in the first half of the season.
If the league is split after 1 round of fixtures,then every team in Div 3 will have end of season games against roughly equal standard opposition.This will test the top teams,and prepare them for Div 2,and give the bottom teams something to fight for at the end of season.The extra incentive for all teams,could be that final league position,will determine seeding for 2013,league and championship.Therefore every team is likely to play the full season out-which didn't occur this year.

I imagine,that the goals of the county board are to revitalise football in both lower leagues,particularly for those at the bottom of Div 4.And also to try to ensure ambitious,potential county footballers are given a better opportunity to develop  IN THEIR OWN CLUB,and perhaps eventually see more county players emerge from lower league clubs(as happens in other counties).In the absence of any better proposals,to achieve those  goals,I feel clubs should back these proposals for the good of Down football

You need to do better research. Two of the main reasons given for the change are cutting travel costs and maxamising game attendance so it will be based geographically. As for your point about county players improving, it has no basis. A county standard player will shine in div 4 and 3 with the current set up, as proven by kevin anderson, mc comiskey, harrison  and more lately miskelly . The reason there are not more county standard players in division 3 and 4 is the bad youth set ups and poor player development techniques of these teams. The youth structures need changed to bring a better standard of player through.

Stiff Breeze i have quoted the original post on this forum about the Div3/4 restucturing which shows the make up of the 2 sections. I think they are supposed to be geographical but are confusing to say the least! eg. Ballymartin Section A, Glassdrumman+Atticall Section B, Bosco(A) - Mitchels (B), Ardglass(A) - Bright(B) etc.  :-\

Ah well, hopefully the proposals dont get approved tonight + all this discussion will be immaterial!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on November 24, 2011, 08:34:13 PM
The original proposal took each league and they just separated clubs for each division based on League position. 1st to 3a, 2nd to 3b, 3rd to 3a, 4th to 3b etc. Just goes to show how lazy a proposal it was!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on November 24, 2011, 09:18:31 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on November 24, 2011, 08:34:13 PM
The original proposal took each league and they just separated clubs for each division based on League position. 1st to 3a, 2nd to 3b, 3rd to 3a, 4th to 3b etc. Just goes to show how lazy a proposal it was!

Agreed, Lazy indeed! Hopefully we will get some feedback on the forum tonight on how the meeting went.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on November 25, 2011, 11:28:34 AM
Quote from: marsbarkid on November 24, 2011, 06:52:58 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 09, 2011, 05:18:25 PM
County's Latest Proposals to be voted on at the next County Board meeting.



Proposal for re-structuring of Division 3 and the doing away of Division 4

3A                       3B
Ballymartin          Drumgath
Tullylish           Kilclief
Carryduff           Darragh Cross
St John Bosco    Glasdrumman
Glenn            Atticall
Ardglass          St John's
Dundrum           Mitchel's
Saul            Drumaness
Bredagh            Dromara
St Paul's               Bright
Teconnaught       St Michaels
Aghaderg             Aughlisnafin
Ballykinlar   
   

In 2012 there would be no Division 4 but rather a Division 3a and 3B this would be an honest attempt to assist those smaller Clubs with more regional based fixtures which would have hopefully the two fold purpose of cutting down travel costs but in turn maximising home gates. These leagues include Kilclief, Carryduff and Tullylish but in 2012 only one of these teams will be still in Division 3 and thus there will need to be adjustment once the final permutations are known, we are asking that you support this in principle.

The two top teams in 3A and 3B would meet in Semi Finals with the top two teams then gaining promotion to Division 2.
There would be no relegation and as such would stop the yo yo effect of some teams between Division 3 and 4, we need to open the opportunity to people to play in Division 2, this gives Clubs the opportunity to grasp that chance to play in Division 2 and a high level of senior football for a season as opposed to getting one game in a Senior Championship as an amalgamation.

Quote from: stiff breeze on November 23, 2011, 06:39:47 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 23, 2011, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on November 22, 2011, 08:23:27 PM
the new propasals are nonsense, they will not aide down football in any way. If they go ahead there will be so many more non event games at the end of the season as there is no relegation and also it will leave it that teams at the top will benefit playing teams at the bottom later in the season so the fixture layout will majorly benifit some promotion chasing teams . Also if a div 4 team is good enough they will get to div 3 in 2 years which is possible under the current format. I predict alot of the east down teams going for this proposal as it will benifit them as that league will be easier if its geographically based.

First of all ,I would imagine that the leagues will be seeded on current league position,and then consider convenient geographical location.There was no proposal to go East and South Down.Div 4 and Div 3 this year both had a number of non-played or "dead rubber" games.None of these occurred in the first half of the season.
If the league is split after 1 round of fixtures,then every team in Div 3 will have end of season games against roughly equal standard opposition.This will test the top teams,and prepare them for Div 2,and give the bottom teams something to fight for at the end of season.The extra incentive for all teams,could be that final league position,will determine seeding for 2013,league and championship.Therefore every team is likely to play the full season out-which didn't occur this year.

I imagine,that the goals of the county board are to revitalise football in both lower leagues,particularly for those at the bottom of Div 4.And also to try to ensure ambitious,potential county footballers are given a better opportunity to develop  IN THEIR OWN CLUB,and perhaps eventually see more county players emerge from lower league clubs(as happens in other counties).In the absence of any better proposals,to achieve those  goals,I feel clubs should back these proposals for the good of Down football

You need to do better research. Two of the main reasons given for the change are cutting travel costs and maxamising game attendance so it will be based geographically. As for your point about county players improving, it has no basis. A county standard player will shine in div 4 and 3 with the current set up, as proven by kevin anderson, mc comiskey, harrison  and more lately miskelly . The reason there are not more county standard players in division 3 and 4 is the bad youth set ups and poor player development techniques of these teams. The youth structures need changed to bring a better standard of player through.

Stiff Breeze i have quoted the original post on this forum about the Div3/4 restucturing which shows the make up of the 2 sections. I think they are supposed to be geographical but are confusing to say the least! eg. Ballymartin Section A, Glassdrumman+Atticall Section B, Bosco(A) - Mitchels (B), Ardglass(A) - Bright(B) etc.  :-\

Ah well, hopefully the proposals dont get approved tonight + all this discussion will be immaterial!

Geographical. Darragh Cross to Attical or Glassdrummon. Is Carryduff not just down the road as is Saul?

If people are saying teams are not fielding later in the season because of meaningless games well then they do not deserve to be accommodated. These games if they chose to fulfil them would help them build stronger squads to compete.

At the end of the day, in any sport there is a hierarchy and a level of status which is why we are all envious of Mayobridge, Kilcoo, Burren, etc playing at a higher level. Or down the league its Carryduff, Kilclief, Darragh Cross.

Take Carryduff and Darragh Cross for example. Their status would be heavily dented if they are put into a league system that says this year they were top of div 3 with a division of lesser quality teams below them. They would be of the opinion that they would never have to play this level again. Any restructuring would put these teams into the lowest tier of football no matter how the turd is dressed.

Division four, play all your games and get to a level where you want to be. They dont deserve to be playing Kilclief, Tullylish, etc if they cant field in what they call meaningless games. When i played i do not recall ever playing a meaningless game, I wanted to beat every team. Nor did i mind playing football in December.

Finally, if any league changes were to be made i feel it is only fair that they are set for say two years down the line to give every club the chance to set themselves up for an amended league.

On another matter this seems to concentrate only on div 3 and 4. THe same arguement could be used for div 1 and 2. Why not split these divisions so that Ballymartin, Banbridge Drumgath etc are playing the Burrens to give them a chance of meaningful football.

Bloody crazy. The best teams get promoted, the worst teams get relegated and the teams who are not pushing for promotion finish in the middle where they geared themselves to finish.

Good luck to Burren by the way. Tough prospect for them though.

Carryduff, Tullylish. You should have played this game four weeks ago as it never looked like Kilclief would have to play all their games. Good luck to you both anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 25, 2011, 01:20:23 PM
I'm getting reports that the format of the club hurling championships have been changed last night where clubs can expect possibly more than two games in the junior championship and regional teams (Lecale, Mid Down, North Down, Donard, Iveagh) playing out with the Ards reserves for the intermediate championship in a two group round robin basis.

I really hope they've thought this through as I wouldn't want the slightest impact on round 36 of the Div3 South reserve section D football league.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on November 25, 2011, 05:38:50 PM
I've heard today that the new proposals for the championship were approved last night at the meeting. A champions league group format will be implemented for the 2012 championship where a round robin system will be played. the winners and runners up from each group will progress to the quarter finals. Details are still sketchy at this point. I am unsure if any of league proposals were approved for 2012.                                                                                                                                                       On another serious note, the canal court have withdrawn their sponsorship deal with the County board for the forseeable future. I believe it was an issue of Courtneys being used for meals after training and matches where the CC were being left in the dark by the county board so I would urge readers that any merchandise they buy at the moment will not feature on CC on it for 2012 as a new sponsor will have to be located. Interesting developments last night!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on November 25, 2011, 06:27:46 PM
I hear that the county board are giving each club 20 tickets to sell for a big draw they are organising,price of tickets are 125quid each,apparently any club who fails tho sell 20 will not be given any home fixtures for 2012.I think that is a total disgrace,sounds like the county board are blackmailing the clubs to make them some money.it's hard enough selling tickets at a fiver or teenier for our own clubs for Christmas draws never mind them coming in demanding we sell those tickets,especially at this time of year an the way things are.could anyone let me know if this is correct in what I heard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 25, 2011, 10:47:49 PM
Sorry to see Canal Court go - they came in during lean times and stuck with the county although no doubt it made good commercial sense to the McParlands for a time. But they seem to me to have been good sponsors.

Won't be easy getting a top sponsor at present - the paucity of advertising at Park Esler suggests that whatever arm of the county is in charge of sponsorship/advertising is alseep on the job and it's hard to see them pulling any rabbit out of the hat.

I suppose this shows up the need for a county draw, which is the old begging bowl attitude of the GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on November 26, 2011, 06:55:12 AM
i remember a number of years ago  such an approach was forwarded by the county board and the clubs were billed for the tickets whether they sold them or not.Their answer to any questions about this will be batted back into the faces of the clubs-do not expect any sympathy from co.board because i think i know the answer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 26, 2011, 11:05:36 AM
Quote from: Leo on November 25, 2011, 10:47:49 PM
Sorry to see Canal Court go - they came in during lean times and stuck with the county although no doubt it made good commercial sense to the McParlands for a time. But they seem to me to have been good sponsors.

Won't be easy getting a top sponsor at present - the paucity of advertising at Park Esler suggests that whatever arm of the county is in charge of sponsorship/advertising is alseep on the job and it's hard to see them pulling any rabbit out of the hat.

I suppose this shows up the need for a county draw, which is the old begging bowl attitude of the GAA.

Who's supplying the money for A O Rourkes "Expenses"?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 26, 2011, 02:08:58 PM
Quote from: wehatepauly2 on November 25, 2011, 06:27:46 PM
I hear that the county board are giving each club 20 tickets to sell for a big draw they are organising,price of tickets are 125quid each,apparently any club who fails tho sell 20 will not be given any home fixtures for 2012.I think that is a total disgrace,sounds like the county board are blackmailing the clubs to make them some money.it's hard enough selling tickets at a fiver or teenier for our own clubs for Christmas draws never mind them coming in demanding we sell those tickets,especially at this time of year an the way things are.could anyone let me know if this is correct in what I heard

Yes there is indeed a draw, and clubs have to pay for at least 20 tickets whether they are sold or not. This is to cover the prize fund of £110,000.  Tickets cost £120 and this can be paid up front or over 12 months, £10 p/m.  However, after the initial 20 tickets are sold, clubs retain 80% of the ticket price, i.e. £96 for every ticket sold thereon.  It is the best fundraising idea the county has come up with in a long time.  The benefits are there for clubs who push it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 26, 2011, 06:25:18 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on November 26, 2011, 02:08:58 PM
It is the best fundraising idea the county has come up with in a long time.  The benefits are there for clubs who push it.

Better than Club Down which has been raising funds separate from the clubs all along?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on November 27, 2011, 04:35:03 PM
Carryduff beat tullylish today by 3 they where by far the hungrier team these play off are a joke! now they have the chance of playing kilcief for the division 3 crown  a joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 27, 2011, 05:09:04 PM
Timing was very bad for Tullylish with John Mc Areavey struggling with injury this last few weeks and obviously not near fit today.Carryduff scored their goals at crucial times but biggest factor was tullylish's inability to kick simple frees especially  for three different right footed kickers late in the second half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on November 27, 2011, 06:08:31 PM
Any readers get to the cross and Burren final today? Were cross just to strong for Burren or did Burren not play to their full potential? Result from Ulster club minor championship: Armagh Harps 3-9 Kilcoo 2-6 where the magpies did not play to their usual selves against a fast, strong harps team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on November 27, 2011, 06:15:05 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on November 27, 2011, 04:35:03 PM
Carryduff beat tullylish today by 3 they where by far the hungrier team these play off are a joke! now they have the chance of playing kilcief for the division 3 crown  a joke
wouldn't say they were the hungrier team. It was their ability to convert their chances. Tullylish must have hit 10-15 wides today. Fair play to Carryduff. Although I can't see them remaining In division 2 next season!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on November 27, 2011, 06:38:27 PM
The sending off of Anton McArdle did not help the Burren cause(spotted by a linesman on the opposite side of the field),Cross got off to a great start with 4 points and every ball played to the Burren frontline was intercepeted or broken away by a very alert defence inthe early stages.Burren lived on frees mostly with a couple of forwards posted missing.The cross keeper hardly got his hands on the ball all day whereas the Burren keeper made a couple of good saves.,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on November 27, 2011, 08:33:10 PM
Congratulations to Carryduff on getting promoted today. Where was this game played?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 27, 2011, 08:55:56 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on November 27, 2011, 08:33:10 PM
Congratulations to Carryduff on getting promoted today. Where was this game played?

Played at Bright's new pitch, good set up but could do with a bit better signposting. Few boys ended up in the housing estate!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on November 27, 2011, 10:37:39 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on November 27, 2011, 08:33:10 PM
Congratulations to Carryduff on getting promoted today. Where was this game played?
What did McArdle do?? thats 4 men Burren had sent off in 3 games in Ulster... Bit of a discipline issue in that club i feel... Who got player of the match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 27, 2011, 10:38:59 PM
Elbow on Kernan after 15 mins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on November 27, 2011, 10:43:53 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 27, 2011, 10:38:59 PM
Elbow on Kernan after 15 mins.
He has talent that mc ardle lad - pity he hasnt got the discipline..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 28, 2011, 07:52:25 AM
Quote from: alba2 on November 27, 2011, 10:37:39 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on November 27, 2011, 08:33:10 PM
Congratulations to Carryduff on getting promoted today. Where was this game played?
What did McArdle do?? thats 4 men Burren had sent off in 3 games in Ulster... Bit of a discipline issue in that club i feel... Who got player of the match?

Am not from Burren but I think they have a very good football team. Having seen them quite a bit this year I have to say they seem to adopt an over aggressive approach to their game and maybe this is not serving them well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 28, 2011, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: Leo on November 28, 2011, 07:52:25 AM
Quote from: alba2 on November 27, 2011, 10:37:39 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on November 27, 2011, 08:33:10 PM
Congratulations to Carryduff on getting promoted today. Where was this game played?
What did McArdle do?? thats 4 men Burren had sent off in 3 games in Ulster... Bit of a discipline issue in that club i feel... Who got player of the match?

Am not from Burren but I think they have a very good football team. Having seen them quite a bit this year I have to say they seem to adopt an over aggressive approach to their game and maybe this is not serving them well.

+1

McArdle typifies the current Burren team, strong, dynamic, talented, raw and aggresive which at times goes over the line.  It is a young team that will hopefully learn where that line is but u have to say that giving there was 4 sending offs in 3 ulster matches it shows that they havnt learnt it yet.

On the game yesterday the sending off made an already difficult task just about impossible.  The game would have really suited McArdle yesterday too but if u raise ur hands u can have no complaints.

Would have liked to have seen Burren with a full deck giving cross a rattle but it not to be and there no guarantee they will be back to give it a go next year given the competitive nature of the Down championship.  I do however see a few more Down titles in the current team and possibly an ulster title.

The best thing the management could do now is to give the younger lads a break for a few months when the league is out of the road ( likely to be friday night ) and let them come back refresed in Feb/Mar.  Alot of them would be eligible for the under 21s currently going on but a break would be more beneficial than attempting to win another one of these titles imo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 28, 2011, 03:38:01 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 28, 2011, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: Leo on November 28, 2011, 07:52:25 AM
Quote from: alba2 on November 27, 2011, 10:37:39 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on November 27, 2011, 08:33:10 PM
Congratulations to Carryduff on getting promoted today. Where was this game played?
What did McArdle do?? thats 4 men Burren had sent off in 3 games in Ulster... Bit of a discipline issue in that club i feel... Who got player of the match?

Am not from Burren but I think they have a very good football team. Having seen them quite a bit this year I have to say they seem to adopt an over aggressive approach to their game and maybe this is not serving them well.

+1

McArdle typifies the current Burren team, strong, dynamic, talented, raw and aggresive which at times goes over the line.  It is a young team that will hopefully learn where that line is but u have to say that giving there was 4 sending offs in 3 ulster matches it shows that they havnt learnt it yet.

On the game yesterday the sending off made an already difficult task just about impossible.  The game would have really suited McArdle yesterday too but if u raise ur hands u can have no complaints.

Would have liked to have seen Burren with a full deck giving cross a rattle but it not to be and there no guarantee they will be back to give it a go next year given the competitive nature of the Down championship.  I do however see a few more Down titles in the current team and possibly an ulster title.

The best thing the management could do now is to give the younger lads a break for a few months when the league is out of the road ( likely to be friday night ) and let them come back refresed in Feb/Mar.  Alot of them would be eligible for the under 21s currently going on but a break would be more beneficial than attempting to win another one of these titles imo.

Fair enough strong and dynamic but no need for cynical strikes such as the ones that have been seen of late. It's not the first time the same fella has been involved in incidents like this, just glad he got caught this time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on November 28, 2011, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: wehatepauly2 on November 25, 2011, 06:27:46 PM
I hear that the county board are giving each club 20 tickets to sell for a big draw they are organising,price of tickets are 125quid each,apparently any club who fails tho sell 20 will not be given any home fixtures for 2012.I think that is a total disgrace,sounds like the county board are blackmailing the clubs to make them some money.it's hard enough selling tickets at a fiver or teenier for our own clubs for Christmas draws never mind them coming in demanding we sell those tickets,especially at this time of year an the way things are.could anyone let me know if this is correct in what I heard

That is an abolsute disgrace!!! >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 28, 2011, 04:13:09 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on November 28, 2011, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: wehatepauly2 on November 25, 2011, 06:27:46 PM
I hear that the county board are giving each club 20 tickets to sell for a big draw they are organising,price of tickets are 125quid each,apparently any club who fails tho sell 20 will not be given any home fixtures for 2012.I think that is a total disgrace,sounds like the county board are blackmailing the clubs to make them some money.it's hard enough selling tickets at a fiver or teenier for our own clubs for Christmas draws never mind them coming in demanding we sell those tickets,especially at this time of year an the way things are.could anyone let me know if this is correct in what I heard

That is an abolsute disgrace!!! >:(

For a less negative spin see St Pauls site here.

http://www.gaelsport.com/html/club/newfullstory.jsp?c=218&newsID=33088&p=n (http://www.gaelsport.com/html/club/newfullstory.jsp?c=218&newsID=33088&p=n)

QuoteDown GAA Clubs Draw
29 November 2011

Down GAA are running a Clubs Draw during 2012. The total prizefund is £110,000 and each month there will be a first prize of £2000 and three prizes of £1000. In June there will be two additional prizes of £10,000 and £5000 and in December there will be a Superprize of £25,000.
There will also be a special club draw each month for £200 with every club guaranteed a winner over the year.
Tickets are priced at £10 per month for 12 months paid by Standing Order or £120 by cash or cheque.
Each club is required to sell 20 tickets to cover the prize fund and for each ticket sold above the initial 20 the Club receives £96.NB 20 TICKETS HAVE NOW BEEN SOLD!!

I'd have thought it wouldn't be too hard a sell with the clubs obviously benefitting too. Talking to Tullylish lads yesterday, they also have sold their quota already and looking at a valuable fundraiser for their club as well as their county!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 28, 2011, 04:19:22 PM
I would have to agree with Eaglelord on this, put any spin on it all u like but to be forced to sell these tickets is a disgrace.

I dont no whats going on in Tullylish but it is not easy to sell £120 tickets to the local community in the current climate just before or after christmas especially.  This is on top of annual membership, insurance, club down or whatever else people contribute financially to the GAA.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 28, 2011, 04:34:05 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 28, 2011, 03:38:01 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 28, 2011, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: Leo on November 28, 2011, 07:52:25 AM
Quote from: alba2 on November 27, 2011, 10:37:39 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on November 27, 2011, 08:33:10 PM
Congratulations to Carryduff on getting promoted today. Where was this game played?
What did McArdle do?? thats 4 men Burren had sent off in 3 games in Ulster... Bit of a discipline issue in that club i feel... Who got player of the match?

Am not from Burren but I think they have a very good football team. Having seen them quite a bit this year I have to say they seem to adopt an over aggressive approach to their game and maybe this is not serving them well.

+1

McArdle typifies the current Burren team, strong, dynamic, talented, raw and aggresive which at times goes over the line.  It is a young team that will hopefully learn where that line is but u have to say that giving there was 4 sending offs in 3 ulster matches it shows that they havnt learnt it yet.

On the game yesterday the sending off made an already difficult task just about impossible.  The game would have really suited McArdle yesterday too but if u raise ur hands u can have no complaints.

Would have liked to have seen Burren with a full deck giving cross a rattle but it not to be and there no guarantee they will be back to give it a go next year given the competitive nature of the Down championship.  I do however see a few more Down titles in the current team and possibly an ulster title.

The best thing the management could do now is to give the younger lads a break for a few months when the league is out of the road ( likely to be friday night ) and let them come back refresed in Feb/Mar.  Alot of them would be eligible for the under 21s currently going on but a break would be more beneficial than attempting to win another one of these titles imo.

Fair enough strong and dynamic but no need for cynical strikes such as the ones that have been seen of late. It's not the first time the same fella has been involved in incidents like this, just glad he got caught this time.

Wouldnt have said yesterday was cynical, more stupid and naive.  It was the oppenent that was cyncial by blocking off his run but this is no excuse for his reaction.  It was petulance more than anything.

Think u may also be referring to the incident invloving a rostrevor player in the championship.  Anton has maintained this was accidental and only the lad himself knows if it was or not.  If it was intentional then i completely agree that it is something he needs to remove from his game immediatly.  I didnt see the incident in question so wont comment on it any further.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 28, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 28, 2011, 04:19:22 PM
I would have to agree with Eaglelord on this, put any spin on it all u like but to be forced to sell these tickets is a disgrace.

I dont no whats going on in Tullylish but it is not easy to sell £120 tickets to the local community in the current climate just before or after christmas especially.  This is on top of annual membership, insurance, club down or whatever else people contribute financially to the GAA.

Probably the same as most clubs. 20 tickets to sell before you see a profit? I'd say most aren't looking a gift horse in the mouth. My unscientific survey of a grand total of two clubs shows a 100% success rate so far. I'd be interested to see what an increase in that sample size would do to the overall percentage.


ps when I said Tullylish had sold twenty already, one of the lads I spoke to had sold twenty himself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 28, 2011, 06:26:27 PM
Feel bit sorry for Anton but Im sure he has learnt a very valuable lesson. Frank will stay with Burren and to be honest I think they could be set to dominate Down club football for the near future. He has got the best out of these young lads and if Declan Rooney gets fit and they dont lose anyone to the states next summer they ll get another pop at Cross.

Hats off to cross though fantastic team and will take some stopping.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on November 29, 2011, 12:39:18 PM
Anton McArdle has the potential to be a serious footballer IMO. He has the size, engine and a good football brain already and should add a bit more strength, craft and composure over next few years.  His brother should make up into a county player too but probably needs a couple of years . I'd say the rest of team has been tapped already as far as county is concerned.   

In general Burren are a bit on the light side. Rooney would definitely give them a bit more steel and a genuine niggle factor ...some of the other lads missing have a bit more beef than the team that lined out at the weekend. A winter on the weights and a new kick out strategy would improve them .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on November 29, 2011, 05:15:02 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on November 29, 2011, 12:39:18 PM
Anton McArdle has the potential to be a serious footballer IMO. He has the size, engine and a good football brain already and should add a bit more strength, craft and composure over next few years.  His brother should make up into a county player too but probably needs a couple of years . I'd say the rest of team has been tapped already as far as county is concerned.   

In general Burren are a bit on the light side. Rooney would definitely give them a bit more steel and a genuine niggle factor ...some of the other lads missing have a bit more beef than the team that lined out at the weekend. A winter on the weights and a new kick out strategy would improve them .

Burren are a bit on the light side - are you serious - look at the size of some of the men playing on sunday.  not many under 6 foot and they are all built like houses.... i just think cross are light years ahead of all teams at the minute and i see today that oisin has a bit in the paper about their u13 team coming through... they must have a great structure in place in their club - it would be worth getting a copy of and trying to mirror clubs around here the same way...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 29, 2011, 07:30:16 PM
Quote from: alba2 on November 29, 2011, 05:15:02 PM
Quote from: bcarrier on November 29, 2011, 12:39:18 PM
Anton McArdle has the potential to be a serious footballer IMO. He has the size, engine and a good football brain already and should add a bit more strength, craft and composure over next few years.  His brother should make up into a county player too but probably needs a couple of years . I'd say the rest of team has been tapped already as far as county is concerned.   

In general Burren are a bit on the light side. Rooney would definitely give them a bit more steel and a genuine niggle factor ...some of the other lads missing have a bit more beef than the team that lined out at the weekend. A winter on the weights and a new kick out strategy would improve them .

Burren are a bit on the light side - are you serious - look at the size of some of the men playing on sunday.  not many under 6 foot and they are all built like houses.... i just think cross are light years ahead of all teams at the minute and i see today that oisin has a bit in the paper about their u13 team coming through... they must have a great structure in place in their club - it would be worth getting a copy of and trying to mirror clubs around here the same way...

What paper is that alba, can't see it in the Democrat.  My young lad plays on that team and there are actually 2 good teams, last years and this years and they are pretty strong.  Plenty of familiar names, McConvilles, Shorts, Cunninghams, O'Neills and they could be pretty strong in the years to come.  Still young though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 29, 2011, 11:06:47 PM
have just been reading about the situation in letterkenny where there is a dispute between the gaels and st eunans regarding boundaries.in a nutshell the gaels want their own catchment area,eunans dont.made me think of newry,a town of a similar size,probably a fair bit bigger.what is the situation regarding clubs picks of players?is it similar to west belfast,were you play for the club your father played for.is it linked to primary schools?or are there actual boundaries?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 30, 2011, 09:43:26 AM
No boundary in Newry as far as I know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 30, 2011, 12:46:24 PM
Quote from: passedit on November 28, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 28, 2011, 04:19:22 PM
I would have to agree with Eaglelord on this, put any spin on it all u like but to be forced to sell these tickets is a disgrace.

I dont no whats going on in Tullylish but it is not easy to sell £120 tickets to the local community in the current climate just before or after christmas especially.  This is on top of annual membership, insurance, club down or whatever else people contribute financially to the GAA.

Probably the same as most clubs. 20 tickets to sell before you see a profit? I'd say most aren't looking a gift horse in the mouth. My unscientific survey of a grand total of two clubs shows a 100% success rate so far. I'd be interested to see what an increase in that sample size would do to the overall percentage.


ps when I said Tullylish had sold twenty already, one of the lads I spoke to had sold twenty himself.

Although the club draw is essentially a levy on all clubs, I have to say that it is a fantastic concept. Ticket sales with us are going well. We threw in the extra bonus that if you buy a £120 ticket this will also cover your membership for the year which stands at £30/£40. People seem to be attracted to this.

Basically, a £120 ticket works out at 33p for everyday in the year. The prizes are attractive and the monthly club draws are a nice touch too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 30, 2011, 12:55:21 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 30, 2011, 12:46:24 PM
Quote from: passedit on November 28, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 28, 2011, 04:19:22 PM
I would have to agree with Eaglelord on this, put any spin on it all u like but to be forced to sell these tickets is a disgrace.

I dont no whats going on in Tullylish but it is not easy to sell £120 tickets to the local community in the current climate just before or after christmas especially.  This is on top of annual membership, insurance, club down or whatever else people contribute financially to the GAA.

Probably the same as most clubs. 20 tickets to sell before you see a profit? I'd say most aren't looking a gift horse in the mouth. My unscientific survey of a grand total of two clubs shows a 100% success rate so far. I'd be interested to see what an increase in that sample size would do to the overall percentage.


ps when I said Tullylish had sold twenty already, one of the lads I spoke to had sold twenty himself.

Although the club draw is essentially a levy on all clubs, I have to say that it is a fantastic concept. Ticket sales with us are going well. We threw in the extra bonus that if you buy a £120 ticket this will also cover your membership for the year which stands at £30/£40. People seem to be attracted to this.

Basically, a £120 ticket works out at 33p for everyday in the year. The prizes are attractive and the monthly club draws are a nice touch too.

Tis wonderful what a positive outlook and a bit of innovative thinking will do.  Can I up my sample size to three while keeping the 100% DF?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 30, 2011, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: passedit on November 30, 2011, 12:55:21 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 30, 2011, 12:46:24 PM
Quote from: passedit on November 28, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 28, 2011, 04:19:22 PM
I would have to agree with Eaglelord on this, put any spin on it all u like but to be forced to sell these tickets is a disgrace.

I dont no whats going on in Tullylish but it is not easy to sell £120 tickets to the local community in the current climate just before or after christmas especially.  This is on top of annual membership, insurance, club down or whatever else people contribute financially to the GAA.

Probably the same as most clubs. 20 tickets to sell before you see a profit? I'd say most aren't looking a gift horse in the mouth. My unscientific survey of a grand total of two clubs shows a 100% success rate so far. I'd be interested to see what an increase in that sample size would do to the overall percentage.


ps when I said Tullylish had sold twenty already, one of the lads I spoke to had sold twenty himself.

Although the club draw is essentially a levy on all clubs, I have to say that it is a fantastic concept. Ticket sales with us are going well. We threw in the extra bonus that if you buy a £120 ticket this will also cover your membership for the year which stands at £30/£40. People seem to be attracted to this.

Basically, a £120 ticket works out at 33p for everyday in the year. The prizes are attractive and the monthly club draws are a nice touch too.

Tis wonderful what a positive outlook and a bit of innovative thinking will do.  Can I up my sample size to three while keeping the 100% DF?

Yup
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaelman on November 30, 2011, 02:03:49 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 30, 2011, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: passedit on November 30, 2011, 12:55:21 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 30, 2011, 12:46:24 PM
Quote from: passedit on November 28, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 28, 2011, 04:19:22 PM
I would have to agree with Eaglelord on this, put any spin on it all u like but to be forced to sell these tickets is a disgrace.

I dont no whats going on in Tullylish but it is not easy to sell £120 tickets to the local community in the current climate just before or after christmas especially.  This is on top of annual membership, insurance, club down or whatever else people contribute financially to the GAA.

Probably the same as most clubs. 20 tickets to sell before you see a profit? I'd say most aren't looking a gift horse in the mouth. My unscientific survey of a grand total of two clubs shows a 100% success rate so far. I'd be interested to see what an increase in that sample size would do to the overall percentage.


ps when I said Tullylish had sold twenty already, one of the lads I spoke to had sold twenty himself.

Although the club draw is essentially a levy on all clubs, I have to say that it is a fantastic concept. Ticket sales with us are going well. We threw in the extra bonus that if you buy a £120 ticket this will also cover your membership for the year which stands at £30/£40. People seem to be attracted to this.

Basically, a £120 ticket works out at 33p for everyday in the year. The prizes are attractive and the monthly club draws are a nice touch too.

Tis wonderful what a positive outlook and a bit of innovative thinking will do.  Can I up my sample size to three while keeping the 100% DF?

Yup

Not so sure about all this positivity!!! The idea of "throwing" in a membership fee along with a ticket is a short term fix - its hard enough to get members to pay up every year without breaking the cycle - what happens if the co board continues with the draw or changes it to £10/ticket next year with £55, 000 in prizes - will you throw in the membership again?

Having said that, I do think that the draw is a good idea and a valuable fundraiser for some clubs.

What pisses me off though is its ham fisted, bully boy introduction and stupid threats about no home fixtures for clubs that dont sell 20. What if a club cant sell any? What if a club sells 19? What if two clubs who have not met the 20 are due to meet - where do they play? What about the youngsters who wont get football because big bully boy county board dont award fixtures to the grounds that parents and forefathers struggled to provide? What about funding organisations like the lottery fund - will they be happy to see these grounds lying idle, having pumped thousands of support into them - will they want their money back? What about the youngsters who will go to rugby/soccer where they can get football?  What about Clubs who already have similar draws up & running and which start to collapse as club supporters (many from other clubs) opt to support their own club in the co board draw at the expense of the club draw.

Good for clubs with plenty of members and no other draws going and who will have no bother selling 20 - everyone else, it stinks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 30, 2011, 02:06:26 PM
I bought a ticket. But I still don't agree with it.

Does anyone know if the draw is to fund a new venture, to pay off debt, or to cover running expenses? Genuine answers please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 30, 2011, 03:57:42 PM
Club Down have a serious right to be pissed off about the whole thing. They put a lot of effort in the past few years in pushing their membership and prize draw. Joining Club Down had a lot of benefits for clubs.

Id say a lot of people wont be renewing their Club Down membership next year in favour of buying a Down GAA club draw ticket.

Gaelman, if a club cant get 20 members to subscirbe to something which is essentially a contribution of 33p each a day then there is something seriously amiss. £120 amounts to a night on the beer in Belfast for most of the lads I know. If its advertised right with the proper incentives then it should sell.

There is going to be a lot of clubs who are going to make a serious amount of money at this. They dont have to organise their own draws or put up their prizes. It's done for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 30, 2011, 08:12:32 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 30, 2011, 03:57:42 PM
Club Down have a serious right to be pissed off about the whole thing. They put a lot of effort in the past few years in pushing their membership and prize draw. Joining Club Down had a lot of benefits for clubs.

Id say a lot of people wont be renewing their Club Down membership next year in favour of buying a Down GAA club draw ticket.

QuoteHave to agree with both these points and, under pressure from my club "draw promoter", I am cancelling my Club Down membership even thougn I think it was the best scheme and very well organised - but I can't afford both at the minute on top of supporting other club activities.


Gaelman, if a club cant get 20 members to subscirbe to something which is essentially a contribution of 33p each a day then there is something seriously amiss. £120 amounts to a night on the beer in Belfast for most of the lads I know. If its advertised right with the proper incentives then it should sell.

Quote
I think what is seriously amiss is that many clubs have well established fund-raising initiatives that will suffer - and the members who have selflessly worked at promoting them will be pissed off big time. The county scheme is similar to many other counties but it will be hard to graft it onto what is already happening in this county


There is going to be a lot of clubs who are going to make a serious amount of money at this. They dont have to organise their own draws or put up their prizes. It's done for them.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 30, 2011, 09:23:02 PM
Thats exactly the point, what if clubs have already got their own fundraising scheme in place?  Are they supposed to scrap these now in favour of the one created by the county board?

Fair enough if clubs want to partake in the scheme to raise their own funds fair enough but if a club has had the forsight to do their own fundraising surely they shouldnt be pushed into something to suit the county board?

Are the ordinary club members supposed to pay club membership, club fundraising scheme, clubdown and this draw now as well to show they are a true gael?  Not to mention the ever increasing costs of going to support ur club and county in matches which is now a 12 month season.

Rediculous
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 01, 2011, 12:18:41 PM
Anybody know where one could find a list of club PRO's (& contact details) in the county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 01, 2011, 09:35:00 PM
Bridge v Burren game off tomorrow night??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Diarrhoa Divil on December 01, 2011, 09:52:14 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 30, 2011, 02:06:26 PM
I bought a ticket. But I still don't agree with it.

Does anyone know if the draw is to fund a new venture, to pay off debt, or to cover running expenses? Genuine answers please.

Couldnt disagree with the thing any stronger if i tried. Its another nugget from our media/PRO-savvy County Board. Whatever way ye dress it up the thing just shits all over Club Down and the work that they had put in over the last 5 years or so. It also totally goes against whatever club fundraising initiatives already exist across the county. People simply dont have the money these days, its an absolute disgrace. Its even more ridiculous that the county board have seen fit to take away home fixtures for clubs who dont sell their quota, thats a racket of shit if there was one. What i would love to know is who were the clubs that actually voted in favour of all this and who were the 14 clubs that apparently abstained from voting on the issue. I mean come on FFS, why would a club let alone 14 of them not vote on such a controversial issue. Anyone?

The county board would be better off getting the fingers out and maybe spend their time to try figure out ways of improving the standard of refereeing across the county. Or maybe if they actually sorted out the Hurling & Camogie leagues and ensured that they ran fully and successfully it might actually aid clubs and the development of our games. Maybe they could once and for all sort out the farce that is inter-club transfers and club boundaries to stop clubs poaching players, or players playing for whoever they like regardless of where they live (Loughinisland, Burren, Ballyholland, Annaclone etc). If only they grew a set and actually took a stand on the important grassroots issues affecting clubs. The whole thing stinks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 01, 2011, 11:14:37 PM
Quote from: The Diarrhoa Divil on December 01, 2011, 09:52:14 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 30, 2011, 02:06:26 PM
I bought a ticket. But I still don't agree with it.

Does anyone know if the draw is to fund a new venture, to pay off debt, or to cover running expenses? Genuine answers please.

Couldnt disagree with the thing any stronger if i tried. Its another nugget from our media/PRO-savvy County Board. Whatever way ye dress it up the thing just shits all over Club Down and the work that they had put in over the last 5 years or so. It also totally goes against whatever club fundraising initiatives already exist across the county. People simply dont have the money these days, its an absolute disgrace. Its even more ridiculous that the county board have seen fit to take away home fixtures for clubs who dont sell their quota, thats a racket of shit if there was one. What i would love to know is who were the clubs that actually voted in favour of all this and who were the 14 clubs that apparently abstained from voting on the issue. I mean come on FFS, why would a club let alone 14 of them not vote on such a controversial issue. Anyone?

The county board would be better off getting the fingers out and maybe spend their time to try figure out ways of improving the standard of refereeing across the county. Or maybe if they actually sorted out the Hurling & Camogie leagues and ensured that they ran fully and successfully it might actually aid clubs and the development of our games. Maybe they could once and for all sort out the farce that is inter-club transfers and club boundaries to stop clubs poaching players, or players playing for whoever they like regardless of where they live (Loughinisland, Burren, Ballyholland, Annaclone etc). If only they grew a set and actually took a stand on the important grassroots issues affecting clubs. The whole thing stinks.

Welcome aboard Mr Diarrhea,
Always good to see new members getting involved with debates about matters in the county. One small query. What are the reasons for you grouping Ballyholland in with Burren and Loughinisland, etc on the player poaching issue?? Good man..I'm sure you have loads of concrete examples
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 02, 2011, 08:22:19 AM
Yes game is off tonight. A bereavement in Burren. It's fixed for Monday night instead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on December 02, 2011, 12:37:20 PM
Did Ballyholland not get 2 players from Bosco recently?  I could be wrong on this and stand to be corrected.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 02, 2011, 01:57:13 PM
Quote from: southdown on December 02, 2011, 12:37:20 PM
Did Ballyholland not get 2 players from Bosco recently?  I could be wrong on this and stand to be corrected.
That was a few years ago Southdown and the lads came to us looking to play....hardly poaching >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on December 02, 2011, 03:43:33 PM
Agreed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Diarrhoa Divil on December 02, 2011, 07:21:17 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 01, 2011, 11:14:37 PM
Quote from: The Diarrhoa Divil on December 01, 2011, 09:52:14 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 30, 2011, 02:06:26 PM
I bought a ticket. But I still don't agree with it.

Does anyone know if the draw is to fund a new venture, to pay off debt, or to cover running expenses? Genuine answers please.

Couldnt disagree with the thing any stronger if i tried. Its another nugget from our media/PRO-savvy County Board. Whatever way ye dress it up the thing just shits all over Club Down and the work that they had put in over the last 5 years or so. It also totally goes against whatever club fundraising initiatives already exist across the county. People simply dont have the money these days, its an absolute disgrace. Its even more ridiculous that the county board have seen fit to take away home fixtures for clubs who dont sell their quota, thats a racket of shit if there was one. What i would love to know is who were the clubs that actually voted in favour of all this and who were the 14 clubs that apparently abstained from voting on the issue. I mean come on FFS, why would a club let alone 14 of them not vote on such a controversial issue. Anyone?

The county board would be better off getting the fingers out and maybe spend their time to try figure out ways of improving the standard of refereeing across the county. Or maybe if they actually sorted out the Hurling & Camogie leagues and ensured that they ran fully and successfully it might actually aid clubs and the development of our games. Maybe they could once and for all sort out the farce that is inter-club transfers and club boundaries to stop clubs poaching players, or players playing for whoever they like regardless of where they live (Loughinisland, Burren, Ballyholland, Annaclone etc). If only they grew a set and actually took a stand on the important grassroots issues affecting clubs. The whole thing stinks.

Welcome aboard Mr Diarrhea,
Always good to see new members getting involved with debates about matters in the county. One small query. What are the reasons for you grouping Ballyholland in with Burren and Loughinisland, etc on the player poaching issue?? Good man..I'm sure you have loads of concrete examples

Yes hardly poaching. Maybe poaching is too strong a word. My point being that its all too easy for players to suddenly transfer from club to club willy-nilly.(never thought id ever type those words). Loyalty and pride in parish/place of birth is all too easy cast aside today. Croke Park leaves it up to the County Boards to regulate and oversee the system but they do a piss poor job as far as i can see.
Anyhow are youse not currently down the newry dual carriageway on the coast trying to coax an ex county panelist to come play for your club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 02, 2011, 07:39:37 PM
First I heard of it.....Point? Rostrevor? Spill the beans...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Diarrhoa Divil on December 02, 2011, 07:48:31 PM
Ask your manager. He probably knows more about it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 02, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
There's very little transfers going on within the County that aren't within the rules.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on December 02, 2011, 10:07:27 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 02, 2011, 07:39:37 PM
First I heard of it.....Point? Rostrevor? Spill the beans...

Sorry, I'm not available :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on December 03, 2011, 12:11:40 PM
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Anyhow are youse not currently down the newry dual carriageway on the coast trying to coax an ex county panelist to come play for your club?
The point road was always Ballyhollands pick was it not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on December 03, 2011, 02:16:55 PM
lads lets just confirm no one from ballyholland is trying to coax anyone to come play for us! if the boyles cant resolve their differences with the point then i am sure there will be a number of clubs willing to make them welcome.....

the point road was a free for all between harps, shamrocks and mitchels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on December 03, 2011, 05:22:14 PM
Interesting debate going on at the moment about the boyles in dispute with thier home club. Can any posters confirm what the dispute is about as this is the first ive heard of it?

Just on another point, i dont think there are any clubs (hurling or football) that now have players that had the same panel playing for that club at U12 or U14 levels. I think Kilcoo are the only side in the County that have all their panel who lived and played for there club from Under 12 level upwards.

Final point...lol: I think ill attend the Under 21 semi final to tomorrow in St.Johns between Bryansford and Kilcoo. It should be a great games with the likes of Danny Savage, David McKibben and Chris Clarke playing for the ford whilst kilcoo have Paul Devlin, Barry Kane, Johnston bros and O'Hanlon in their ranks. It could take a replay to seperate them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 03, 2011, 06:23:11 PM
Dispute is nothing to do with football as far as I am aware and it is just unfortunate an incident has had an effect on their willingness to play for their club. Don't want to get into details of it as I am not starting a debate on whether it is right or wrong. It is their choice and if I were them I would feel the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 04, 2011, 12:40:42 PM
anyone know who make the senior hurling squad? I think the trials were last week and havnt heard a thing about them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on December 04, 2011, 02:33:48 PM
Full time Result in U21A Semi Final: Bryansford 0-9 Kilcoo 2-3:

Just back from a bruising game in St. Johns where Bford left that one behind. Played in front of large crowd, B ford Dominated the game in terms of possession in the middle of park but could not just convert their chances into scores. In terms of Kilcoo, they lived on scrapes of possession the whole 60 mins, where they scored a goal in the first minute and didn't score again until 11 mins into the second half.
A very difficult game to referee in fairness to Neil Cousins as on occasions the games spilled over into brawls in the first period with no red cards issued, but imo i think he done ok.

Both sides are being managed by Peter McGrath and Jim McCorry respectively. The second period was a more open affair with Bryansford 2 points going into injury time. A Ryan Johnston goal put Kilcoo 1 point up and it took a fantastic free kick from Danny Savage 3 mins into injury time to level the sides. It makes for a great replay (likely next sunday due to Kilcoo Seniors in the Division One Final).

Best for Bryansford were D Savage, N Murry and C Clarke.
Best for Kilcoo were Darragh O'Hanlon and Ryan Johnston who scored 2 goals.

Burren and Mayobridge U21 semi final this wednesady night. Venue and time to be confirmed.
Title: Div 3 Champions
Post by: No1 on December 04, 2011, 04:55:40 PM
Kilclief promoted as Div 3 champions. Beat Carryduff by 6 or 7 in the league final at Bright today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 04, 2011, 05:06:25 PM
Not a bad season at all kid. Congrats :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 04, 2011, 05:34:50 PM
My Division 3 team of the year: (Excluding McComiskey (Dundrum), McAreavey (Tullylish) and Magee (Ardglass) who are the three best players in the Division.

1. Eamon King (Dundrum)

2. Declan Doherty (Carryduff)
3. Liam Woods (Kilclief)
4. Niall Hynds (Kilclief)

5. Aidan McCann (Kilclief)
6. Stephen Clarke (Glenn)
7. Ryan Kerr (Kilclief)

8. Martin Trainor (Atticall)
9. Chris Duggan (Bosco)

10. Niall McParland (Glenn)
11. Marcus Miskelly (Darragh Cross)
12. Liam Mullan (Ardglass)

13. Ciaran Sloan (Kilclief)
14. Raymond Magorrian (Glasdrumman)
15. Ricky Kerr (Kilclief)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on December 04, 2011, 05:51:56 PM
DF, I would have to disagree. Biased and all as I am, Ciaran Sloan was the best player in Division 3 this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 04, 2011, 07:09:04 PM
Quote from: No1 on December 04, 2011, 05:51:56 PM
DF, I would have to disagree. Biased and all as I am, Ciaran Sloan was the best player in Division 3 this year.

The three I mentioned have been the best three players in the Division over the past few years and thus I excluded them. I suppose you can add Ciaran Sloan to that list too. Best player in the Division this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 04, 2011, 07:13:36 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on December 04, 2011, 02:33:48 PM
Full time Result in U21A Semi Final: Bryansford 0-9 Kilcoo 2-3:

Just back from a bruising game in St. Johns where Bford left that one behind. Played in front of large crowd, B ford Dominated the game in terms of possession in the middle of park but could not just convert their chances into scores. In terms of Kilcoo, they lived on scrapes of possession the whole 60 mins, where they scored a goal in the first minute and didn't score again until 11 mins into the second half.
A very difficult game to referee in fairness to Neil Cousins as on occasions the games spilled over into brawls in the first period with no red cards issued, but imo i think he done ok.

Both sides are being managed by Peter McGrath and Jim McCorry respectively. The second period was a more open affair with Bryansford 2 points going into injury time. A Ryan Johnston goal put Kilcoo 1 point up and it took a fantastic free kick from Danny Savage 3 mins into injury time to level the sides. It makes for a great replay (likely next sunday due to Kilcoo Seniors in the Division One Final).

Best for Bryansford were D Savage, N Murry and C Clarke.
Best for Kilcoo were Darragh O'Hanlon and Ryan Johnston who scored 2 goals.

Burren and Mayobridge U21 semi final this wednesady night. Venue and time to be confirmed.

Good summary of todays game Diasycutter, the final score actually read 0-11 to 2-5.
Bryansford will feel they left this one behind and i have to say we got out of jail scoring a cracking goal in the last minute. Loosing James McClean to a torn hamstring in the first half left us without our main midfielder and we badly struggled in this sector where Chris Clarke gave a man of the match performance, an excellent footballer imo. James will be a major loss for the replay. Getting the draw playing so badly and having the character to come from 5 points down to go one ahead where positives we can take out of our poorest display of the campaign.
While the ford got big games from Clarke, Savage, Murray and McKibbin, who was very fortunate not to see a red card, Kilcoo didnt get the best out of thier main men, Paul Devlin, Barry Kane and Jerome Johnston so we would expect more from these trio in the replay and an improved overall team display.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 04, 2011, 09:10:59 PM
Quote from: No1 on December 04, 2011, 05:51:56 PM
DF, I would have to disagree. Biased and all as I am, Ciaran Sloan was the best player in Division 3 this year.

Best player I seen was Marcus Miskelly. Yeah Eamon King had an excellent year for us. Not sure the standard of keepers in Down Under 21s this year but he's def worth a shot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 04, 2011, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: No1 on December 04, 2011, 05:51:56 PM
DF, I would have to disagree. Biased and all as I am, Ciaran Sloan was the best player in Division 3 this year.

He'd want to be a better footballer than painter is all i'll add.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 04, 2011, 11:43:13 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 04, 2011, 09:10:59 PM
Quote from: No1 on December 04, 2011, 05:51:56 PM
DF, I would have to disagree. Biased and all as I am, Ciaran Sloan was the best player in Division 3 this year.

Best player I seen was Marcus Miskelly. Yeah Eamon King had an excellent year for us. Not sure the standard of keepers in Down Under 21s this year but he's def worth a shot.

Yeah Marcus has had a great campaign and i believe is going well with the county at present in few challenge games they played against university teams etc.
You forgot to mention a couple of players i feel impressed this year - frank o'Neill from Glasdrumman in full back - Mc Comiskey didn score on him once this season nor did miskelly. Connaire Harison from the same club even though he has discipline problems - but the pick from that club - apart from magorrian - would have to be Shane Harrison. Young minor lad played well for the county this year and for his tender years dominated midfield in many many club games.
That other lad from Tullylish who played in midfield for them - tall lad with blonde hair - duno his name - had quite a season.  He was being touted for the county at one stage... Surely Tullylish have merited at least one player on the team apart form John - they did get promoted as well as Kilclief like.  There are more teams in that division than Kilclief.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 04, 2011, 11:50:31 PM
Quote from: alba2 on December 04, 2011, 11:43:13 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on December 04, 2011, 09:10:59 PM
Quote from: No1 on December 04, 2011, 05:51:56 PM
DF, I would have to disagree. Biased and all as I am, Ciaran Sloan was the best player in Division 3 this year.

Best player I seen was Marcus Miskelly. Yeah Eamon King had an excellent year for us. Not sure the standard of keepers in Down Under 21s this year but he's def worth a shot.

Yeah Marcus has had a great campaign and i believe is going well with the county at present in few challenge games they played against university teams etc.
You forgot to mention a couple of players i feel impressed this year - frank o'Neill from Glasdrumman in full back - Mc Comiskey didn score on him once this season nor did miskelly. Connaire Harison from the same club even though he has discipline problems - but the pick from that club - apart from magorrian - would have to be Shane Harrison. Young minor lad played well for the county this year and for his tender years dominated midfield in many many club games.
That other lad from Tullylish who played in midfield for them - tall lad with blonde hair - duno his name - had quite a season.  He was being touted for the county at one stage... Surely Tullylish have merited at least one player on the team apart form John - they did get promoted as well as Kilclief like.  There are more teams in that division than Kilclief.......

Full of faux pas here, if you check our website you will find Paul got 2 points from play in Dundrum and 0-4 from play in Glasdrumman. Yes however Frank is a very good player. Gareth Johnson is his name and Tullylish didn't get promoted, Carryduff did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on December 05, 2011, 12:02:45 AM
My Apologies about the final score from todays U21 semi final. Thanks for keeping me right Mid DownGael. A great and fair analysis from yourself aswell.

Ill hopefully get up to Newry tomorrow evening, which should be a fascinating Div1 league semi final between Mayobridge and Burren, especially as its been almost 11 WEEKS since the Bridges last competitve fixture. Im also lead to believe that the Bridge will be minus Coulter and Garvey due to injury.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on December 05, 2011, 01:00:23 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on December 05, 2011, 12:02:45 AM
My Apologies about the final score from todays U21 semi final. Thanks for keeping me right Mid DownGael. A great and fair analysis from yourself aswell.

Ill hopefully get up to Newry tomorrow evening, which should be a fascinating Div1 league semi final between Mayobridge and Burren, especially as its been almost 11 WEEKS since the Bridges last competitve fixture. Im also lead to believe that the Bridge will be minus Coulter and Garvey due to injury.
You've been lead astray, as far as i know both are fit to play Daisycutter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 05, 2011, 05:14:06 PM
Bridge - but only just.............. Think Burren will be deflated after their Ulster campaign... But then again they could be inspired to win to make up for the disappointment... Its a tough call....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on December 05, 2011, 09:03:46 PM
Bridge winning 2-11 to 0-7 James McGovern straight red.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 05, 2011, 09:37:00 PM
Could not have seen that result coming... Bridge with 7 u21s playing were on fire.. After the first few seconds when Mc Kernan got a point for Burren i thought they would run thru the bridge. But thereafter Quinn taught him a footballing lesson. Conleth O'Hare was outstanding as was Cathal Killen in centre half back.  But best by fat for the blues was Kevin O'Rourke. an outstanding performance. Bridge got freak goal and never looked back. Brady was class and cathal magee - when on form - can certainly do a job.  Burren full back line were cleaned out of it for the second game in  succession.  Only Donal OHare showed glimpses of the player he is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blueannavy on December 05, 2011, 09:58:37 PM
top drawer performance from the blues tonight espicially being 11 weeks without competitive football . everyone done their job well . james mcgovern seen a straight red for elbowing cathal killen in the face early on . certainy a disipline problem in the burren camp . i stand to be corrected but thats 5 dismissals in the past 4 games ! anyway should be a good game with the magpies .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on December 05, 2011, 10:35:52 PM
Could Burrran not have threw out a seconds team 2 months ago to recieve such a beating!
Joke!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 05, 2011, 10:40:50 PM
The Bridge where superb tonight in the first half and gave their rivals a lesson in heavy underfoot conditions. James McGovern once again let his side down, deservedly recieving a red card for an of the ball challange. Burren need to sort their disapline out, too many red cards in recent times for stupid of the ball stuff.
The Bridge had great performers in Kevin ORourke, Kieth Quinn, Cathal Magee, Ronan Sexton, Adrian Barry and the brilliant Ryan Brady. Great result for them considering they did so with Benny, Noel Sexton and Eoghan Woods only making late cameo appearances.
Should be a close final with ourselves on Friday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on December 05, 2011, 10:42:49 PM
Who were Burren missing tonight from the team that started the Ulster final?

Great win by the Bridge tonight, with a very young team, the whole team was outstanding not bad subs to bring on either! Should be a good tussle with Kilcoo!  Im sure they're glad to be finally playing it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 05, 2011, 10:53:08 PM
Quote from: Oglach on December 05, 2011, 10:35:52 PM
Could Burrran not have threw out a seconds team 2 months ago to recieve such a beating!
Joke!

totally agree... what a waste of time waiting on that... But the result was sweet all the same... Worth waiting for... Any word when and where the final is??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 05, 2011, 10:56:34 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on December 05, 2011, 10:42:49 PM
Who were Burren missing tonight from the team that started the Ulster final?

Great win by the Bridge tonight, with a very young team, the whole team was outstanding not bad subs to bring on either! Should be a good tussle with Kilcoo!  Im sure they're glad to be finally playing it.

Anton McArdle and Sean Murdock, although think Murdock was on bench.

It will be a great relief for Kilcoo and Mayobridge to get the final played at last, been some wait for both clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 05, 2011, 10:57:32 PM
Quote from: alba2 on December 05, 2011, 10:53:08 PM
Quote from: Oglach on December 05, 2011, 10:35:52 PM
Could Burrran not have threw out a seconds team 2 months ago to recieve such a beating!
Joke!

totally agree... what a waste of time waiting on that... But the result was sweet all the same... Worth waiting for... Any word when and where the final is??

ACFL Division 1 2011
09/12/2011
19:30 Kilcoo  vs Mayobridge  Pairc Esler

U21 Football Championsip A Simi Finals
13/12/2011
19:30 Burren  vs Mayobridge   
Referee : Damien Laverty Venue : Burren

16/12/2011
19:30 Bryansford  vs Kilcoo
Referee : Oliver Burke Venue : Downpatrick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on December 06, 2011, 08:45:44 AM

Firstly fair play to Mayobridge for the way they played last night. Plenty of appetite for the game and played a good hardworking brand of football. Some big performances from them particularly Keith Quinn @ midfield, McKernan couldnt cope with him in the air and this was the bridge's platform. O'Rourke played well in the first half but was completely snuffed out by Paddy Mohan in second. Brady looked lively and Gerard McCartan was a pale shadown of the player he was earlier in the season.

As someone said earlier Bridge got a fluke goal and never looked back, but sometimes you have to grasp the chance and they did. Fair play.

From our own perspective Burren were inept, showed a total lack of interest in the game and I just wish they had played the game after the championship final, it would have been good preparation for Ulster and would have helped get good game time for the subs, which would have helped, given the injuries and suspensions we then had in Ulster. Have to say that whilst we were only missing Anton & Sean from Ulster Final, had we had a full quota, Eamonn & Connor Toner , Declan Rooney, Eamonn McGovern would all have been in starting berths and this also weakened the bench, however for Burren to come out and play as they did last night was shambolic.

People talk about tiredness, when you are in a league semi-final, tiredness is not an excuse, the bridge and Kilcoo have both been waiting and bridge looked fresh and they simply wanted to win more. They deserved it.

On a different note and I think all supporters would agree, the county board are a disgrace, turned up @ Pairc Esler last night, gates not open. lights not on and people standing about. Yes it was a Monday night in december but there wwas no urgency to get the game started and it looked like a money saving exercise to keep lights off as late as possibe, its a wonder they didnt give us all candles on way in. You can be damn sure if Down were playing on a saturday night, the lights would be on from 4 O'Clock and all the suits would be out in full peacock mode making sure they were seen. Last night was a joke from an organisational point of view. No respect for the supporters but always someone there to take your money.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 06, 2011, 09:36:09 AM
Good win for the Bridge last night.  I thought Plugg, Keith, KOR and Conleth had great games.  Jamie Barr gave a good account at mid field in his first senior start.  Should be an interesting game with Kilcoo, they won both league meetings comfortably enough this season so are favourites.  A lot depends on how our young guns handle a team that is going at it full tilt.

Forevergreen - The lights were on in good time last night but the generators cut out.  The turnstiles had to be shut to stop people walking about in darkness.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on December 06, 2011, 10:54:40 AM
Burrens attitude last night left a lot to be desired.  If they were going to treat the competition with such contempt then it should have been played 6 wks ago as has already been said.

Difficult to gauge how decent the Bridge were given the oppositions ineptness but u can only beat what is put in front of you.  Its difficult to see them beating Kilcoo if Coulter isnt fit to start imo.  On that note if I was a bridge man i would serious issues with bringing their star man on who has hamsting issues in freezing temperatures with the team 10 points up, asking for trouble if u ask me.

On another note is it too difficult to ask to have 2 neutral linesmen at a league semi final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 06, 2011, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on December 06, 2011, 10:54:40 AM
Burrens attitude last night left a lot to be desired.  If they were going to treat the competition with such contempt then it should have been played 6 wks ago as has already been said.

Difficult to gauge how decent the Bridge were given the oppositions ineptness but u can only beat what is put in front of you.  Its difficult to see them beating Kilcoo if Coulter isnt fit to start imo.  On that note if I was a bridge man i would serious issues with bringing their star man on who has hamsting issues in freezing temperatures with the team 10 points up, asking for trouble if u ask me.

On another note is it too difficult to ask to have 2 neutral linesmen at a league semi final?

Totally agree with your sentiments here to be honest.  Coulter coming on in those conditions was a complete joke.  Winning the game so comfortably and then doing a couple of runs up and down the sideline and straight into a game is putting serious pressure on an injury.  the linesmen thing was a disgrace.  Surely at a league semi final stage they can have something sorted out for this.  Why are the games a different price for admission?  I was recently at the league two relegation playoff and it was £4 entry in to it, all league games were £3 during the season and now at semi final stage they are £5.  What is the reasoning behind this.  Would it not be a nice jesture for the county board to allow the gate be free entry - given that the gaels have supported them all throughout the season at various events.  that way there might be more attendance at them and given our county secretaries report at the weekend about opening our doors to other codes - this could just be the ticket to getting a few supporters in through the gate from other disciplines to watch our sport.  Then next year they may participate or their children may.  Its only league semi finals and finals this should happen in so thats 6 games in total. div 1,2 and 3 semi final and finals
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on December 06, 2011, 04:11:43 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on December 06, 2011, 08:45:44 AM

On a different note and I think all supporters would agree, the county board are a disgrace, turned up @ Pairc Esler last night, gates not open. lights not on and people standing about. Yes it was a Monday night in december but there wwas no urgency to get the game started and it looked like a money saving exercise to keep lights off as late as possibe, its a wonder they didnt give us all candles on way in. You can be damn sure if Down were playing on a saturday night, the lights would be on from 4 O'Clock and all the suits would be out in full peacock mode making sure they were seen. Last night was a joke from an organisational point of view. No respect for the supporters but always someone there to take your money.

Your opening comments forevergreen are very honest but the last comment is way out of line. I entered the pitch at 7.05 and the lights were on and cut off about 7.10. You seriously need to know all the facts before slagging off the officials there. Im not a county board official or rep, but there was no point in letting people in and paying their money and maybe having to postpone the game and as another poster says it was also for health and safety reasons. There may not have been as many officials running about as there would be on a Down match but the officials their did have respect for the supporters. I would love to have heard your comments if you had of paid in, didn't get your money back and were not able to go to the refixture!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on December 06, 2011, 04:41:28 PM
I paid into the u 16 game the south Down final between Shamrocks and Rostrevor and the lights went out also .  I couldnt make the reply but when things are out of your control what can you do but go on . That night the stewarts did a good job and it all passed off without incident but you never know what could happen when people get frustrated . Health and safety has to take a bearing on preceedings . To be honest i think the County Board comes in for un fair critisism at times its the same as the County draw which is being run at the end of the day to benefit Down and no one else . It takes money to run all these teams but we all just expect this to be common place as if we are a wealthy out fit . Last year there was a cry about the paying for our tickets in sterling to raise the extra few pounds , the big breakfast and the race day but our players got well looked after and were home from their trip to America when rich County Boards like Cork and Tipp were only having their fundraising nights
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on December 06, 2011, 10:59:20 PM


Your opening comments forevergreen are very honest but the last comment is way out of line. I entered the pitch at 7.05 and the lights were on and cut off about 7.10. You seriously need to know all the facts before slagging off the officials there. Im not a county board official or rep, but there was no point in letting people in and paying their money and maybe having to postpone the game and as another poster says it was also for health and safety reasons. There may not have been as many officials running about as there would be on a Down match but the officials their did have respect for the supporters. I would love to have heard your comments if you had of paid in, didn't get your money back and were not able to go to the refixture!!!!!
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Fair enough true blue if lights were on then cut off again and as you rightly say Health & Safety takes all precedent but should we not be asking serious questions as to why the lights in pairc esler are continually cutting out, alot of money was invested in Newry for the best facilities but on a number of occasions they have cut out, apparently happened last week in an under 21 game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 07, 2011, 02:44:20 PM
No1, just a matter of curiosity but did Kilclief have anyone on this year's panel that was part of the 96 JFC winning team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA_Talk on December 07, 2011, 03:49:48 PM
Kilclief's Dinner Dance will be some event this year. It'd be worth going to for the craic  :P. You's much planned for it No.1?
Title: Kilclief
Post by: No1 on December 07, 2011, 04:50:47 PM
  DF, there are few boys still hanging around since 96!  Julien Swail, Kieran Polly, Mark Polly, Dale Curran, Jonny Hanvey, Karol Shields and Martin Craig were all on the JFC winning panel.  The current management team all played in 96 aswell so that's another 3.

  GAA_Talk, not too sure about this year but last year's dinner was cancelled due to lack of interest.  Our boys are nearly celebrated out at this stage but I'm sure they have a big one left in them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthem on December 08, 2011, 03:32:38 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on December 08, 2011, 06:57:48 PM
Interesting views of posters on here recently of the best footballers in Div
3 this year. Marcus Miskelly probably the stand out player and derservingly getting a go at the county set up. Who do the posters believe were the best players in Div 1 & 2  this year?? Would be interested to hear your views. I'll start of by mentioning Declan Turley of D'patrick. Thought he had a good year in defence for the hoops. Views from keepers to forwards would be appreciated. Thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 08, 2011, 11:14:36 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on December 08, 2011, 06:57:48 PM
Interesting views of posters on here recently of the best footballers in Div
3 this year. Marcus Miskelly probably the stand out player and derservingly getting a go at the county set up. Who do the posters believe were the best players in Div 1 & 2  this year?? Would be interested to hear your views. I'll start of by mentioning Declan Turley of D'patrick. Thought he had a good year in defence for the hoops. Views from keepers to forwards would be appreciated. Thanks.

Division one

Keepers

Cathal Murdock/Liam Coulter/Brendan Mc Veigh/Peter Travers

Defenders

Timmy Hanna/Joe Murphy/Kevin Mc Kernan/Miceal Lively/Niall Brannigan/Jarlath Farrell/Darren O'Hagan/David Mc Kibbin

Midfielders

Anton Mc Ardle/Keith Quinn/Phelim Mc Greevy/Conor Toner (when he played)/Paul Murphy

Forwards

Mark Poland/Conor Maginn/Adrian Mackin/John Clarke/Conaill Mc Govern/Ryan Brady/Conor Laverty/Danny Savage/Benny Coulter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Out in Front on December 08, 2011, 11:16:45 PM
I'll be accused of advertising but what the heck...anyway I've a competition running the the Newry Reporter this week and next and amongst the prizes is admission for two to each of Down's home NFL matches (Donegal, Dublin and Kerry) as well as admission for two to each of Armagh's home NFL games (Mayo, Cork and Down) as well as a ball of other stuff including books, jerseys etc - all sports stuff.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 09, 2011, 12:06:22 AM
Surely Johnny Parr was one of the best keepers! Called up to county panel and all even though we were relegated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on December 09, 2011, 08:14:01 AM
Johnny Parr would definitely be worth considering.

Also in the forward line Donal O'Hare would have to figure
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 09, 2011, 09:40:38 AM
              J Parr
D McEntee Branningan?? J Farrell   
J Murphy D O'Hagan K McKernan

    A McConville P Murphy

P Devlin C McGinn D O'Hare
K O'Rourke  J Brown C Laverty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on December 09, 2011, 09:44:13 AM
Thats a good honest team supersub not far away from what games i saw . Another lad who impressed me this year was Niall Mc Quillan from Ballyholland . Young lad but always gives 100% .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 09, 2011, 10:19:58 AM
Quote from: supersub on December 09, 2011, 09:40:38 AM
              J Parr
D McEntee Branningan?? J Farrell   
J Murphy D O'Hagan K McKernan

    A McConville P Murphy

P Devlin C McGinn D O'Hare
K O'Rourke  J Brown C Laverty

Mc Entee - you're having a laugh. Got completley cleaned out of it in the last 3 or 4 games for his club.  Played rightly against Latton but that was it.
Arthur Mc Conville - not worthy either. Anton Mc Ardle skint him in the county final and had a good Ulster campaign for Burren - apart form the final as did Keith Quinn.
Kevin O'Rourke had one good game this year - last Monday night against Burren - anyone honest enough around the bridge would tell you the same.
Paul Devlin is a shadow of the player he was when Kilcoo won the championship in 09.  Has come nowhere near those dizzy heights since. You have left out Mark Poland from the half forward line - best player in Down at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 09, 2011, 11:41:44 AM
Quote from: alba2 on December 09, 2011, 10:19:58 AM
Quote from: supersub on December 09, 2011, 09:40:38 AM
              J Parr
D McEntee Branningan?? J Farrell   
J Murphy D O'Hagan K McKernan

    A McConville P Murphy

P Devlin C McGinn D O'Hare
K O'Rourke  J Brown C Laverty

Mc Entee - you're having a laugh. Got completley cleaned out of it in the last 3 or 4 games for his club.  Played rightly against Latton but that was it.
Arthur Mc Conville - not worthy either. Anton Mc Ardle skint him in the county final and had a good Ulster campaign for Burren - apart form the final as did Keith Quinn.
Kevin O'Rourke had one good game this year - last Monday night against Burren - anyone honest enough around the bridge would tell you the same.
Paul Devlin is a shadow of the player he was when Kilcoo won the championship in 09.  Has come nowhere near those dizzy heights since. You have left out Mark Poland from the half forward line - best player in Down at the minute.

That's why he got runner up in down player of the year, good lad! I'd say Arthur played nearly every game for Clonduff this season, whereas Anton didn't for Burren. Arthur is more consistent and would have him in midfield ahead of McCardle anyday!

McEntee Last 3/4 games? He got MOM in his second last game so your comment doesn't add up. He was solid for them and takes something to break into and sustain a place in the current Burren team.

Devlin poss replaced by Poland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 09, 2011, 11:57:22 AM
Quote from: supersub on December 09, 2011, 11:41:44 AM
Quote from: alba2 on December 09, 2011, 10:19:58 AM
Quote from: supersub on December 09, 2011, 09:40:38 AM
              J Parr
D McEntee Branningan?? J Farrell   
J Murphy D O'Hagan K McKernan

    A McConville P Murphy

P Devlin C McGinn D O'Hare
K O'Rourke  J Brown C Laverty

Mc Entee - you're having a laugh. Got completley cleaned out of it in the last 3 or 4 games for his club.  Played rightly against Latton but that was it.
Arthur Mc Conville - not worthy either. Anton Mc Ardle skint him in the county final and had a good Ulster campaign for Burren - apart form the final as did Keith Quinn.
Kevin O'Rourke had one good game this year - last Monday night against Burren - anyone honest enough around the bridge would tell you the same.
Paul Devlin is a shadow of the player he was when Kilcoo won the championship in 09.  Has come nowhere near those dizzy heights since. You have left out Mark Poland from the half forward line - best player in Down at the minute.

That's why he got runner up in down player of the year, good lad!

McEntee Last 3/4 games? He got MOM in his second last game so your comment doesn't add up. He was solid for them and takes something to break into and sustain a place in the current Burren team.

Devlin poss replaced by Poland.
Your facts dont add up - his second last game was against Crossmaglen and he was far from man of the match. He got it against Latton and if you check my comment i have recognised that. He got into the Burren team because Ronan Mc Govern is injured and had to get an operation.  Plus his dad is a selector there - that would certainly help his case.
As for Mc Conville - how he even got nominated for this gong is beyond the people of Clonduff let alone the wider circle.  But he did and got runner up because Mc Kernan was head and sholders above the rest..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 09, 2011, 12:04:54 PM
Sorry forgot about the League Semi final, but it still falls within your original comment of 3/4 games which contains the one against Latton and yes you did acknowledge it but why say 3/4 games if it's not true. Doesn't make sense. Yes but surely if he wasn't playing well regardless of how he got into the team, there are a good few other players withing the huge Burren squad who would warrant a chance, thus keeping him out. So what if he got in when someone was injured, that's how a lot of people make their break through, but it is then up to them to sustain their place especially in a competitive team like Burrens!

As for your comment about McConville, what a kop out. McKernan head and shoulders above the rest, but yet McConville still came second? A lot of other people to choose from for that second spot and indeed for the nominations in the first place. A weak argument.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on December 09, 2011, 12:15:40 PM
Would O'Rourke from the bridge now be eligable for a Down call up? Or would he still be an Armagh player?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on December 09, 2011, 01:16:55 PM
Its a very argumentative question but supersubs Div 1 team is a decent attempt.

I would have my reservations about mcentee,mcconville, devlin, orourke and brown.  I also thought mckernan had a poor year by his high standards, especially since he came home from Austraila.

Thought Danny Savage, Bonny and CHB whos name escapes me deserved a mention from Byransford, Lively and shane ohare from the bridge, John Clarke although not what he was still offers a lot more threat than Brown imo and mark poland as has already been mentioned.

The usual suspects such as benny and rony murtagh had very injury affected seasons for their clubs and for that reason i wouldnt include them.

On O Rourke, what i have seen of him he can be very hit and miss, some very good games some very bad.  I would like to see him for another year before committing as to whether he is good enough for the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on December 09, 2011, 01:17:23 PM
O'Rourke would probably need an intercounty transfer fellas, but he is not up to County standard, played well against Burren in the first half Monday night but completely disappeared in the 2nd when Paddy Mohan was put on him and Mohan hasnt been able to break into the team all year.


On another note, had any of you seen Sean Clarke from An Riocht playing this year, had an absolute stormer against Burren earlier in the year playing @ wing half and seemed to have it all, speed, skill and an eye for the posts but somehow or other ended up playing @ centre half in the return fixture.

I thought he was one for the call up but wondered how he faired in other games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on December 09, 2011, 03:19:32 PM
No im not suggesting he be called up to the Down team, I was just wondering because he was mentioned there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KIDDO 4 on December 09, 2011, 08:34:50 PM
Kilcoo l.10 Mayobridge 1,4  17 gone second half Down league final .
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KIDDO 4 on December 09, 2011, 08:46:52 PM
Kilcoo 1.13 ,Mayobridge 1.4 , 3 mins remaining .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KIDDO 4 on December 09, 2011, 08:48:34 PM
1,15 to 1.4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KIDDO 4 on December 09, 2011, 08:55:47 PM
Kilcoo are crowned Down division league champions after a 2.16 , to 1.6 ,  victory overMayobridge in Newry tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on December 09, 2011, 09:27:47 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on December 09, 2011, 01:17:23 PM
O'Rourke would probably need an intercounty transfer fellas, but he is not up to County standard, played well against Burren in the first half Monday night but completely disappeared in the 2nd when Paddy Mohan was put on him and Mohan hasnt been able to break into the team all year.


On another note, had any of you seen Sean Clarke from An Riocht playing this year, had an absolute stormer against Burren earlier in the year playing @ wing half and seemed to have it all, speed, skill and an eye for the posts but somehow or other ended up playing @ centre half in the return fixture.

I thought he was one for the call up but wondered how he faired in other games

Would completely agree with you Forevergreen, smashing eye for the sticks, kicked some classy points throughout the year, great at taking players on his speed is a huge danger. Great man marker too. Only problem with him is he very prone to injury, but keep him fit, deserves a triall at the very least!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 09, 2011, 09:39:11 PM
Quote from: KIDDO 4 on December 09, 2011, 08:55:47 PM
Kilcoo are crowned Down division league champions after a 2.16 , to 1.6 ,  victory overMayobridge in Newry tonight.

Big score!!  :o

Just out of interest could any of the posters possibly post a list of the division one league winners for the last 20 years?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on December 09, 2011, 09:42:34 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on December 09, 2011, 09:39:11 PM
Quote from: KIDDO 4 on December 09, 2011, 08:55:47 PM
Kilcoo are crowned Down division league champions after a 2.16 , to 1.6 ,  victory overMayobridge in Newry tonight.

Big score!!  :o

Just out of interest could any of the posters possibly post a list of the division one league winners for the last 20 years?

Wobbler/A Mallon/MDG be the bookies favourites for this
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 09, 2011, 09:54:52 PM
Good performance from a fitter, hungrier Kilcoo tonight. The Bridge started promisingly but their challange faded badly. From Laverty got Kilcoos first half goal there only looked like there would be one winner.
Thankfully we are league champions after toping the table all season, and what a long season, the lads will be so glad to get a break.
Well done to the panel on a good league campaign and finishing it of with a rather easy win tonight. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 09, 2011, 10:08:09 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on December 09, 2011, 09:39:11 PM
Quote from: KIDDO 4 on December 09, 2011, 08:55:47 PM
Kilcoo are crowned Down division league champions after a 2.16 , to 1.6 ,  victory overMayobridge in Newry tonight.

Big score!!  :o

Just out of interest could any of the posters possibly post a list of the division one league winners for the last 20 years?

Kilcoo 2011
Mayobridge 2010
Mayobridge 2009
Kilcoo 2008
An Riocht 2007
Burren 2006
? 2005
?  2004
Kilcoo 2003
?       2002
Mayobridge 2001
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on December 09, 2011, 10:09:21 PM
MDG will many of that team be playing for the under 21's next wk, it is a very long season for the young fellas from Kilcoo, Bryansford, Burren and Bridge.

On the league I can see the view on having playoffs as some teams will be short of their best players for many of the starred games but maybe something should be done if a team is clear at the top of the league by a margin for the whole of the season.

Maybe if a team is something like 4-6 points clear at the top at the end of the season then they should be automatically crowned champions or maybe the league playoffs should have a date set in stone for them to be played no matter who is in Austrialia!!!!

Something needs to be done anyway as Burren looked like a completely disinterested team the other night, the bridge looked the same in the 2nd half tonight and Kilcoo had to wait 2 months to claim what was rightfully theirs.  Any more of what happened with this years playoffs gives the risk of seriously devaluing the competition in the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 09, 2011, 10:17:47 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on December 09, 2011, 10:09:21 PM
MDG will many of that team be playing for the under 21's next wk, it is a very long season for the young fellas from Kilcoo, Bryansford, Burren and Bridge.

On the league I can see the view on having playoffs as some teams will be short of their best players for many of the starred games but maybe something should be done if a team is clear at the top of the league by a margin for the whole of the season.

Maybe if a team is something like 4-6 points clear at the top at the end of the season then they should be automatically crowned champions or maybe the league playoffs should have a date set in stone for them to be played no matter who is in Austrialia!!!!

Something needs to be done anyway as Burren looked like a completely disinterested team the other night, the bridge looked the same in the 2nd half tonight and Kilcoo had to wait 2 months to claim what was rightfully theirs.  Any more of what happened with this years playoffs gives the risk of seriously devaluing the competition in the future.

Its time to forget about the playoffs imo. The attendances tonight and on Monday where not very big and it seemed more like relief for the players on both sides at the final whistle tonight that its finally over.
Kilcoo only had 2 under 21s playing tonight but had many in reserve who where not required.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KIDDO 4 on December 10, 2011, 01:05:26 AM
Senior Football League Winners

1950 Downpatrick
1951 Newry
1952 Clonduff
1953 Mayobridge
1954 Glenn
1955 Castlewellan
1956 Annaclone
1957 No ACL
1958 Glenn
1959 League Declared Void
1960 League Unfinished
1961 Ballykinlar
1962 Ballykinlar
1963 Clonduff
1964 Castlewellan
1965 Newry Mitchels
1966 League Unfinished
1967 Burren
1968 Newry Mitchels
1969 Burren
1970 Kilclief
1971 Bryansford
1972 Kilclief
1973 Tullylish
1974 Bryansford
1975 Burren
1976 Burren
1977 Burren
1978 Bryansford
1979 Castlewellan
1980 Clonduff
1981 Burren
1982 Burren
1983 Burren
1984 Burren
1985 Burren
1986 Loughinisland
1987 Burren
1988 Burren
1989 Loughinisland
1990 Burren
1991 Downpatrick
1992 Burren
1993 Mayobridge
1994 Burren
1995 Burren
1996 Burren
1997 Newry Shamrocks
1998 Burren
1999 Mayobridge
2000 Clonduff
2001 Mayobridge
2002 Mayobridge
2003 Kilcoo
2004 Mayobridge
2005 Rostrevor
2006 Burren
2007 An Riocht
2008 Kilcoo
2009 Mayobridge
2010 Mayobridge
2011 Kilcoo


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on December 10, 2011, 01:58:02 AM
I agree with Mid Down Gael on his opinions there. The league playoffs needs serious looking at by the CB. Was at the game tonight and would be lucky if there were 250 spectators at it on a very cold night in December. It makes a farce of the whole league campaign which started in April.

Overall tonight, I think Kilcoo overwhelmed the bridge, especially in the second half. But it was worth the value as some of the scores taken from both sides were fantastic and a joy to watch! I've great admiration to both sides for keeping at it this long, after 11 weeks since their last league game.

Just on the discussion about players In Div 1, I think Stevey Kane of Kilcoo deserves a fair chance at the County set up as he's been outstanding in all the games I've seen him in this year. His point blank save against Sexton tonight was worth the gar fee itself. Keith Quinn also deserves a proper go at it IMO. Tried really hard tonight again for the bridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on December 10, 2011, 03:24:38 AM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on December 10, 2011, 01:58:02 AM
I agree with Mid Down Gael on his opinions there. The league playoffs needs serious looking at by the CB. Was at the game tonight and would be lucky if there were 250 spectators at it on a very cold night in December. It makes a farce of the whole league campaign which started in April.

Overall tonight, I think Kilcoo overwhelmed the bridge, especially in the second half. But it was worth the value as some of the scores taken from both sides were fantastic and a joy to watch! I've great admiration to both sides for keeping at it this long, after 11 weeks since their last league game.

Just on the discussion about players In Div 1, I think Stevey Kane of Kilcoo deserves a fair chance at the County set up as he's been outstanding in all the games I've seen him in this year. His point blank save against Sexton tonight was worth the gar fee itself. Keith Quinn also deserves a proper go at it IMO. Tried really hard tonight again for the bridge.

250?

At least 1500 in the stand for a very entertaining 40 minutes  - at which stage Bridge threw in the towel in a changing of the guard, It's Kilcoo & Burrren for the next few years.
Superbly refereee'd, as a neutral I had value for money but - WHY oh why is this game being played in Freezing December?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 10, 2011, 04:41:56 PM
It was a disappointing second half from the Bridge.  I though we were well placed going into the second half playing with the wind but that was as good as it got.  Kilcoo's lack of celebrations at full time told its own tale.  Both teams just glad to see the end of the season

Am I the only one who thinks Kilcoo are a better team than Burren?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on December 10, 2011, 08:07:36 PM
Yes amallon I certainly agree with you,I think kilcoo are a much greater team than burren,they have better forwards and a tighter defence but 1 bad performance against clonduff ruined there year.would have loved to see kilcoo v burren final. But that didn't happen so that leaves burren as rightful champions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 11, 2011, 11:35:37 AM
Anyone else seen the new Down Yearbook......as usual it is a high quality publication....apart from a picture of Shane Mulholland and his management team being captioned "Ballyholland Camogie Management Team" ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 11, 2011, 02:28:45 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 11, 2011, 11:35:37 AM
Anyone else seen the new Down Yearbook......as usual it is a high quality publication....apart from a picture of Shane Mulholland and his management team being captioned "Ballyholland Camogie Management Team" ???

Surely the contributions to the year book are from the clubs themselves?? In that case would it not be an admin mistake from the ballyholland club??
havent seen the picture your talking about but i thought that was always the case that clubs sent in the photos and the write ups?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on December 11, 2011, 04:18:26 PM
Quote from: amallon on December 10, 2011, 04:41:56 PM
It was a disappointing second half from the Bridge.  I though we were well placed going into the second half playing with the wind but that was as good as it got.  Kilcoo's lack of celebrations at full time told its own tale.  Both teams just glad to see the end of the season

Am I the only one who thinks Kilcoo are a better team than Burren?

Kilcoos record in the league over the last 10 years has been fantastic but for a team to be so dominant over that period a return of 1 championship is very average.

Everyone can have their own take as to why this is, teams matching the intensity they play all year with in the league when it comes to the championship, peaking too early in the year, not performing on the big day or whatever but something isnt quite right when it comes to the championship.

At the minute Burren are a championship side and Kilcoo are not, time will tell over the next few years if they can rectify that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 12, 2011, 06:15:12 PM
Kilcoos record in the league over the last 10 years has been fantastic but for a team to be so dominant over that period a return of 1 championship is very average.

Everyone can have their own take as to why this is, teams matching the intensity they play all year with in the league when it comes to the championship, peaking too early in the year, not performing on the big day or whatever but something isnt quite right when it comes to the championship.

At the minute Burren are a championship side and Kilcoo are not, time will tell over the next few years if they can rectify that.
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Kilcoo always come outta the traps flying in the first few league games and cant sustain it for the duration of the season.  The year they won the championship they started slow in the league and gathered momentum in June, July in the league and then the championship in August, September.  They also finished hight up in the league table that year... The question i pose is - How important is the league in real terms for clubs in the county??

Yeah you can say that if Bridge or Kilcoo win it this year its a good years work - but realistically had the Bridge or Kilcoo or indeed BFord won the championship this year - they wouldn have given a stuff who won the league... The clubs mentioned plus Burren are the tip 4 in the county and will remain so for years to come.  but the only want the big one - the championship..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on December 12, 2011, 11:24:06 PM
Very valid points there alba2 but in fairness to Kilcoo, they had one poor performance against the yellas in the champ semi final where the conceded 11 points and 9 were from frees. Beaten by t
1 point in the end. I watched them up in Burren this year where they tore the st. mary's team to shreds. Burren also failed to beat them in Kilcoo as well. They had the best defensive and scoring tallies from any club in league and champ. But it is what it is and it's the results in championship what matters, although the league is still a very important competition.

IMO also, I do think that it will be between Burren, Mayobridge, Kilcoo and Bryansford for the next number of years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 13, 2011, 07:05:54 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on December 11, 2011, 02:28:45 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 11, 2011, 11:35:37 AM
Anyone else seen the new Down Yearbook......as usual it is a high quality publication....apart from a picture of Shane Mulholland and his management team being captioned "Ballyholland Camogie Management Team" ???

Surely the contributions to the year book are from the clubs themselves?? In that case would it not be an admin mistake from the ballyholland club??
havent seen the picture your talking about but i thought that was always the case that clubs sent in the photos and the write ups?

Defo no mistake from the club....picture was correctly captioned...but anyone with a modicum of interest in Down Football would know that Shane Mulholland isnt a camogie manager...sorry no excuses for this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on December 13, 2011, 09:08:24 PM
 anyone with a modicum of interest in Down Football would know that Shane Mulholland isnt a camogie manager...sorry no excuses for this one.
Maybe there is a very distincitive resembelance to his sister and they mixed them up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 14, 2011, 10:37:47 AM
u 21

Burren 1.2 Mayobridge 2.7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on December 14, 2011, 11:41:02 AM
When is the U21 semi final replay then? Shoule be a crackin final either way. I'd asume the final will be next weekend then? Crazy calender playing championship finals in December.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 14, 2011, 11:49:46 AM
Down convention live online tonight @7.30

http://www.destinationnewry.com (http://www.destinationnewry.com)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 14, 2011, 11:21:05 PM
So far.

Paul Blaney assitant secretary seeing off Donal McCormack
Sean Rooney ousted Kevin Bell for central council delegate.
More votes to come in.  Seamus Walsh, Seamus Ryan, Sean Og, Paul Rooney through unopposed
Paula Magee cultural officer.
3 Clubs didn't attend.

11 o'clock and they are only starting motion.  Its going to be a late night for the St. Paul's delegates.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 14, 2011, 11:47:14 PM
Motion to get rid of county board reps and require club chairman or secretaries to attend Co board was unanimously beaten.

More votes in.
Ulster Representatives , Diarmuid Cahill, John Devenny
Congress Diarmuid Cahill, William J Smith, Gerard McShane, Seamus Ryan and Sean Rooney
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 15, 2011, 12:20:15 AM
The motion to do away with referees administration committee was carried.  The county committee will look after after referees training, examinations etc..  This was the most heated debate of the night Gerry Quinn and Frank McDonald arguing strongly against.

Delegates to Ulster Convention - Seamus Walsh, Sean Og, Seamus Ryan, William Smith, Kevin Bell and Sean Rooney.

I can't believe I've been watching this since half 7.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 15, 2011, 11:58:37 AM
I see McCartan has named a panel for the McKenna Cup.

Niall McParland (Glenn), Conor Cough (Shamrocks), Ross McGarry (Warrenpoint), Marcus Miskelly (Darragh Cross), Damien and Peter Turley (Downpatrick) and Arthur McConville (Clonduff) are all included.

Its a great time for some new faces to get a chance to break into the team with Martin and John Clarke, Caolan Mooney, Peter Fitzpatrick, Luke Howard, James Colgan and Ronan Murtagh all gone

Damien Rafferty, Declan Rooney, Conor Garvey and Ambrose Rogers are said to be all back in contention too.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 15, 2011, 01:29:03 PM
I have to say that after the service the man has given to the county Ronan Murtgah's retirement has gone unnoticed and has largely not been mentioned among the chattering classes.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on December 15, 2011, 02:19:18 PM
The first I heard of Murtagh's retirement was in the Irish News yesterday.

Surely a man that will be missed, A great club player who gave his all for the county and never let us down!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on December 15, 2011, 03:59:19 PM
Ronan was a great servant who would of put his head in where others wouldnt have put their boots . He gave 100% no matter what role he was asked to fulfill . To me i thought he had a great year when he was wing half back and was attacking instead of getting the ball with his back to goal . But the mark of the man was when he felt he should be starting along with alot of people in the county , and he never gave up . He never doubted himself and did a great role as an impact sub  . To me this showed how much playing for Down meant to him . You never know how he might feel next season when he gets over his injury but whatever he decides good luck Rony
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on December 15, 2011, 08:48:32 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 15, 2011, 01:29:03 PM
I have to say that after the service the man has given to the county Ronan Murtgah's retirement has gone unnoticed and has largely not been mentioned among the chattering classes.....

Is it definitely the case that he has retired? It wouldnt be like the Irish News to get one of these things wrong.  It may be the case that he is taking a bit of time out to rid the long standing injury he has.  Maybe some of you harps boys could confirm?

If it is the case then I would feel it is a bit premature.  Still feel he would have a lot to offer but best wishes to him if he does retire.  Never truly fulfilled his vast potential imo whilst at the same time didnt get a good run at it in his last few years when he was in his prime.  Thought he should have been a starter in the championship last year and still in the top 3 club forwards in the county along with Benny and Lavery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on December 15, 2011, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 15, 2011, 01:29:03 PM
I have to say that after the service the man has given to the county Ronan Murtgah's retirement has gone unnoticed and has largely not been mentioned among the chattering classes.....

I'm sorry to hear that , my thoughts would be that it is premature and that a player of his quality surely has something to offer Down next year . One thing for sure , he owes Down nathing . Best of luck Rony Murtagh .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on December 16, 2011, 09:23:08 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 15, 2011, 01:29:03 PM
I have to say that after the service the man has given to the county Ronan Murtgah's retirement has gone unnoticed and has largely not been mentioned among the chattering classes.....

I reckon that if Rony had started the All Ireland Final in 2010 we would have 6 Sams in the bag by now.  A number of goal chances were on offering in the first half and Murtagh would def have went for them whereas John Clarke and Paul McComiskey (who did have a great game) settled for points. The old adage stands, Goals Win Games, and Down def needed goals that day.  Murtagh was so sharp around that time it was unreal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on December 16, 2011, 09:55:06 PM
Under 21 Simi Final Replay

Kilcoo 1-20 Bryansford 2-6

Superb team performance from Kilcoo tonight who showed their true potential to destroy rivals Bryansford comprehensevly in the end. The Ford will know they missed their chance two weeks ago when our lads failed to perform and stil salvaged a draw.
The scoring power of Marty and Paul Devlin, Barry Kane and the Johnston brothers was too much for the ford defence, who lost David McKibbin to a silly and needless red card in the last quarter.
The county final will take place in Pairc Eoghan Rua on Tuesday next between Kilcoo and Mayobridge after both clubs agreed to toss for the venue. A cracking final lies ahead, the bridge likely favourites, the loss of Ciaran McClean, James McClean and Cillian Laverty to the Kilcoo side against a team the calibre of the bridge could be too much.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 17, 2011, 05:31:04 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on December 16, 2011, 09:55:06 PM
Under 21 Simi Final Replay

Kilcoo 1-20 Bryansford 2-6

Superb team performance from Kilcoo tonight who showed their true potential to destroy rivals Bryansford comprehensevly in the end. The Ford will know they missed their chance two weeks ago when our lads failed to perform and stil salvaged a draw.
The scoring power of Marty and Paul Devlin, Barry Kane and the Johnston brothers was too much for the ford defence, who lost David McKibbin to a silly and needless red card in the last quarter.
The county final will take place in Pairc Eoghan Rua on Tuesday next between Kilcoo and Mayobridge after both clubs agreed to toss for the venue. A cracking final lies ahead, the bridge likely favourites, the loss of Ciaran McClean, James McClean and Cillian Laverty to the Kilcoo side against a team the calibre of the bridge could be too much.

The most disappointing thing about Kilcoo for me, particularly in the first game against the ford was the constant slabbering from the Kilcoo support and that included a referee and a county selector! Unfortunately the same "thrash talk" is going on, on the field too which was probably one of the reasons Mc Kibben foolisly got sent off for last night. This is obviously being installed into them at training and is a disappointing aspect to their game which is excellent outside of that.

MDG to try and play down this Kilcoo side though is also a wee bit silly from yourself, considering you have won the last 3 county minor titles so I dont think too many will be falling for that one, everyone knows this is a class team ;-)

Should be a good final but for it to be played on a tuesday night, 20th of December is woeful!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on December 18, 2011, 03:34:36 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on December 17, 2011, 05:31:04 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on December 16, 2011, 09:55:06 PM
Under 21 Simi Final Replay

Kilcoo 1-20 Bryansford 2-6

Superb team performance from Kilcoo tonight who showed their true potential to destroy rivals Bryansford comprehensevly in the end. The Ford will know they missed their chance two weeks ago when our lads failed to perform and stil salvaged a draw.
The scoring power of Marty and Paul Devlin, Barry Kane and the Johnston brothers was too much for the ford defence, who lost David McKibbin to a silly and needless red card in the last quarter.
The county final will take place in Pairc Eoghan Rua on Tuesday next between Kilcoo and Mayobridge after both clubs agreed to toss for the venue. A cracking final lies ahead, the bridge likely favourites, the loss of Ciaran McClean, James McClean and Cillian Laverty to the Kilcoo side against a team the calibre of the bridge could be too much.

The most disappointing thing about Kilcoo for me, particularly in the first game against the ford was the constant slabbering from the Kilcoo support and that included a referee and a county selector! Unfortunately the same "thrash talk" is going on, on the field too which was probably one of the reasons Mc Kibben foolisly got sent off for last night. This is obviously being installed into them at training and is a disappointing aspect to their game which is excellent outside of that.

MDG to try and play down this Kilcoo side though is also a wee bit silly from yourself, considering you have won the last 3 county minor titles so I dont think too many will be falling for that one, everyone knows this is a class team ;-)

Should be a good final but for it to be played on a tuesday night, 20th of December is woeful!!

"Slabbering" takes place from both sets of supporters unfortunatly, at least they do it in open view rather than behind a computer.
This team were beaten by Mayobridge at minor level after a 2nd replay so i think given our injury list iits correct to install the Bridge as favourates...
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Post by: EagleLord on December 19, 2011, 02:39:13 PM
This team were beaten by Mayobridge at minor level after a 2nd replay so i think given our injury list iits correct to install the Bridge as favourates...

Lets hope we get treated to a similar feast of football like that series of games. It was unreal! Would be unfair to be wanting 3 games from these lads at this time of year, but lets be selfish!  :P
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Post by: knockitdown on December 19, 2011, 11:45:19 PM
lads, perhaps a little early, but have there been any managerial casualties yet? or new appointments?
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Post by: supersub on December 21, 2011, 12:45:50 PM
McComiskey gone to St Galls?
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Post by: DaisyCutter on December 21, 2011, 10:40:45 PM
Does anyone have the official squad list for the 2012 Dr Kenna Cup?
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Post by: PAULD123 on December 22, 2011, 12:20:08 PM
Down (Dr McKenna Cup squad):
Brendan McVeigh, Damian Turley, Daniel McCartan,
Dan Gordon, Daniel McCartan, Niall Brannigan,
Kevin Duffin, Conor Garvey, Brendan McArdle,
Mark Doran, Darren O'Hagan, Peter Turley,
Conor Gough, Kalum King, Ambrose Rogers,
Aidan Carr, Daniel Hughes, Niall McParland,
Arthur McConville, Benny Coulter, Conor Laverty,
Eoin McCartan, Paul McComiskey, Marcus Miskelly.

I am a bit disappointed Phillip Bonny isn't there, thought he showed well last year. No sign of the Aiden Brannigan, Polands, Liam Doyle or McGinn. Are they injured or just being rested? Also several defenders missing, Rafferty and McKernan are fit so I guess they are being rested, I don't think Rooney is fit is he?
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Post by: bridgegael on December 22, 2011, 12:29:10 PM
is bonny not  in australia?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on December 22, 2011, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 21, 2011, 12:45:50 PM
McComiskey gone to St Galls?

Really?
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Post by: whitegoodman on December 22, 2011, 01:14:40 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on December 22, 2011, 12:20:08 PM
Down (Dr McKenna Cup squad):
Brendan McVeigh, Damian Turley, Daniel McCartan,
Dan Gordon, Daniel McCartan, Niall Brannigan,
Kevin Duffin, Conor Garvey, Brendan McArdle,
Mark Doran, Darren O'Hagan, Peter Turley,
Conor Gough, Kalum King, Ambrose Rogers,
Aidan Carr, Daniel Hughes, Niall McParland,
Arthur McConville, Benny Coulter, Conor Laverty,
Eoin McCartan, Paul McComiskey, Marcus Miskelly.

I am a bit disappointed Phillip Bonny isn't there, thought he showed well last year. No sign of the Aiden Brannigan, Polands, Liam Doyle or McGinn. Are they injured or just being rested? Also several defenders missing, Rafferty and McKernan are fit so I guess they are being rested, I don't think Rooney is fit is he?

Interesting.

Either Dan McCartan is that vital that he has to be mentioned twice or one of those should have been Gerrard!!

If Bonny isnt in Australia I would be a bit disappointed myself.  Glad Pete Turley getting another look.

Anton McArdle must be with UUJ as well as Jamie O'Reilly with Queens.  Average enough looking panel but sure McKenna cup is about giving boys a chance.
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Post by: supersub on December 22, 2011, 02:59:31 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on December 22, 2011, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 21, 2011, 12:45:50 PM
McComiskey gone to St Galls?

Really?

So I am lead to believe! Was wondering if anyone else knew much about it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 22, 2011, 03:10:46 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on December 22, 2011, 01:14:40 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on December 22, 2011, 12:20:08 PM
Down (Dr McKenna Cup squad):
Brendan McVeigh, Damian Turley, Daniel McCartan,
Dan Gordon, Daniel McCartan, Niall Brannigan,
Kevin Duffin, Conor Garvey, Brendan McArdle,
Mark Doran, Darren O'Hagan, Peter Turley,
Conor Gough, Kalum King, Ambrose Rogers,
Aidan Carr, Daniel Hughes, Niall McParland,
Arthur McConville, Benny Coulter, Conor Laverty,
Eoin McCartan, Paul McComiskey, Marcus Miskelly.

I am a bit disappointed Phillip Bonny isn't there, thought he showed well last year. No sign of the Aiden Brannigan, Polands, Liam Doyle or McGinn. Are they injured or just being rested? Also several defenders missing, Rafferty and McKernan are fit so I guess they are being rested, I don't think Rooney is fit is he?

Interesting.

Either Dan McCartan is that vital that he has to be mentioned twice or one of those should have been Gerrard!!

If Bonny isnt in Australia I would be a bit disappointed myself.  Glad Pete Turley getting another look.

Anton McArdle must be with UUJ as well as Jamie O'Reilly with Queens.  Average enough looking panel but sure McKenna cup is about giving boys a chance.

Any other players that will be playing for the uni. teams?
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Post by: No hoper on December 22, 2011, 03:37:14 PM
Well done to Mayobridge under 21s on tuesday night great win over kilcoo in kilcoo. Shane McNamee had an outstanding game at full back.
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Post by: umpire on December 22, 2011, 04:00:57 PM
Quote from: No hoper on December 22, 2011, 03:37:14 PM
Well done to Mayobridge under 21s on tuesday night great win over kilcoo in kilcoo. Shane McNamee had an outstanding game at full back.

+1
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Post by: EagleLord on December 22, 2011, 04:42:19 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 22, 2011, 02:59:31 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on December 22, 2011, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 21, 2011, 12:45:50 PM
McComiskey gone to St Galls?

Really?

So I am lead to believe! Was wondering if anyone else knew much about it?

Thats the first ive heard of it! Apart fro mthe debate we had hear about it a while back! Where's Dundrumite? He will obviously know!
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Post by: DaisyCutter on December 22, 2011, 05:25:35 PM
Yes, Bonny is definitely in Austrailia. He left shortly after Bryansfords defeat to Kilcoo in this years Senior Championship. I would safely say that McKernan, Rooney, Rafferty, Doyle and Brannigan are all being rested for the National League.

I see from the squad in today's Irish News that wee James has only named on keeper on the panel for some reason?? Can any posters inform me to why this would be? Also would there be any other player who should have got a go at the McKenna Cup? Let's face it, it's only a competition that Counties use to introduce or try new players to Inter County football.

I'd say that Sean Parr and maybe Keith Quinn should have got a go at the McKenna Cup in county colours.
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Post by: DaisyCutter on December 22, 2011, 05:28:11 PM
Sorry, the players named previously are obviously being rested until the National League (McKernan, Rooney...etc).
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Post by: NP 76 on December 22, 2011, 08:12:45 PM
Is Rooney not injuried .? Heard that Doyle is also injuried and Rafferty has to go for an operation . Jamie o Reily , Owen Costello and Timmy Hanns all with Queens . Anton with UUJ . Glad to see Peter Turley back strong player
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Post by: supersub on December 22, 2011, 10:44:59 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on December 22, 2011, 04:42:19 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 22, 2011, 02:59:31 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on December 22, 2011, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 21, 2011, 12:45:50 PM
McComiskey gone to St Galls?

Really?

So I am lead to believe! Was wondering if anyone else knew much about it?

Thats the first ive heard of it! Apart fro mthe debate we had hear about it a while back! Where's Dundrumite? He will obviously know!

Jerome Quinn posted about it on Facebook the other day. Must be something in it!
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Post by: 13aside on December 24, 2011, 08:00:29 AM
HAPPY CHRISTMAS ALL POSTERS!!
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Post by: alba2 on December 24, 2011, 10:51:15 AM
Happy xmas to all.  Hope 2012 brings what 2011 didnt.  Stability needed in division one again and move a step closer in Ulster to maybe winning the title.  Good path for us to get to the final and then its only one game to really lift the performance in.  Lets hope the players in the panel are justified in their inclusion and really make a name for themselves in the coming weeks.  There are a few injuries so some young fella can make a claim for a place real quick.
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Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on December 25, 2011, 02:48:06 AM
Nollaig Shona agus Athbhliain faoi Mhaise Daoibh
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Post by: charlieTully on December 26, 2011, 12:41:08 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on December 22, 2011, 03:10:46 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on December 22, 2011, 01:14:40 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on December 22, 2011, 12:20:08 PM
Down (Dr McKenna Cup squad):
Brendan McVeigh, Damian Turley, Daniel McCartan,
Dan Gordon, Daniel McCartan, Niall Brannigan,
Kevin Duffin, Conor Garvey, Brendan McArdle,
Mark Doran, Darren O'Hagan, Peter Turley,
Conor Gough, Kalum King, Ambrose Rogers,
Aidan Carr, Daniel Hughes, Niall McParland,
Arthur McConville, Benny Coulter, Conor Laverty,
Eoin McCartan, Paul McComiskey, Marcus Miskelly.

I am a bit disappointed Phillip Bonny isn't there, thought he showed well last year. No sign of the Aiden Brannigan, Polands, Liam Doyle or McGinn. Are they injured or just being rested? Also several defenders missing, Rafferty and McKernan are fit so I guess they are being rested, I don't think Rooney is fit is he?

Interesting.

Either Dan McCartan is that vital that he has to be mentioned twice or one of those should have been Gerrard!!

If Bonny isnt in Australia I would be a bit disappointed myself.  Glad Pete Turley getting another look.

Anton McArdle must be with UUJ as well as Jamie O'Reilly with Queens.  Average enough looking panel but sure McKenna cup is about giving boys a chance.

Any other players that will be playing for the uni. teams?

timmy hanah, jamie o'reilly
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Post by: EagleLord on January 01, 2012, 07:16:52 PM
2 Daniel McCartans and 2 Jamie O'Reillys.. ::)
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Post by: DaisyCutter on January 02, 2012, 08:45:17 PM
One Goalkeeper?? Strange???
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Post by: real food, real people on January 03, 2012, 01:40:12 PM
Thoughts are with the Craig family and all Saul Gaels on the passing of club chairman Peter Craig. In life there are visionaries & there are activists, rarely do we get an individual capable of being both, Pete was one such individual. He'll be sorely missed.
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Post by: DownFanatic on January 03, 2012, 07:00:24 PM
Full Down Panel for the Mc Kenna Cup competition

1 Brendan McVeigh An Riocht
2 Damian Turley Downpatrick
3 Daniel McCartan Burren
4 Dan Gordan Loughinisland
5 Niall Brannigan Kilcoo
6 Kevin Duffin Castlewellan
7 Mark Doran Longstone
8 Peter Turley Downpatrick
9 Conor Gough Shamrocks
10 Kalum King Bryansford
11 Ambrose Rogers Longstone
12 Aidan Carr Clonduff
13 Daniel Hughes Saval
14 Niall McParland Glenn
15 Brendan Coulter Mayobridge
16 Michael McAllister Clan Na Banna
17 Arthur McConville Clonduff
18 Conor Laverty Kilocoo
19 Eoin McCartan Burren
20 Marcus Miskelly Darragh Cross
21 Aidan Brannigan Kilcoo
22 Liam Doyle Liatroim
23 David McKibben Bryansford
24 Kevin Anderson Annaclone
25 Keith Quinn Mayobridge
26 Ryan Brady Mayobridge
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Post by: EagleLord on January 04, 2012, 09:38:21 PM
Decent squad, think I count 7 lads that are 21 or younger? Very encouraging, great for those lads. Kevin Anderson getting another shot at it too. Has he played a competitve game for Down before? Really surprised to see him back, thought he would be sick of it by now.
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Post by: NP 76 on January 04, 2012, 10:13:17 PM
Anderson played Mc Kenna cup before but dont think he ever played league
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Post by: amallon on January 05, 2012, 01:06:46 PM
Interviews with Conor Gough, Nial McParland, Ambrose and Marcus Miskelly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsTcRQ8btjU&feature=player_embedded#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsTcRQ8btjU&feature=player_embedded#!)
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Post by: snoopdog on January 05, 2012, 02:52:13 PM
Anyone have any reports from Downs 2 challenge matches against Wexford at Parnells in Dublin on Monday?
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 05, 2012, 05:10:14 PM
The squad named above for the McKenna Cup has a good blend of youth and experience. It will be very interesting to see how the young lads get on, although the McKenna cup can be decieving, as we will be playing against experimental sides. You cant beat judging players in Division 1 football, this league really proves the men from the boys.
I believe we have a tough year ahead, in my opinion few of the new players match up to Marty Clarke, John Clarke, Pete Fitzpatrick, Ronan Murtagh, Paul McComiskey, James Colgan, Paul Murphy, Declan Alder, Caolan Mooney and Ronan Sexton in terms of talent and ability.
Its going to be difficult to find replacements for these players, 10 very good players, and its not easy for young players to adapt to the demands of inter county football in their first year.
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Post by: EagleLord on January 05, 2012, 07:02:54 PM
Replace Paul McComisky?
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Post by: whitegoodman on January 05, 2012, 08:35:32 PM
Just to add to this I am led to believe that Rony Murtagh has not retired, he was not asked back onto the panel.

Now I wish all these young fellas the best but if the likes of Miskelly, Donal O'Hare, Ryan Brady or Ross McGarry have the talent of that man I have yet to see it.  Yes they are young but playing or training alongside the likes of Murtagh would have done them the world of good imo.

Add to this you have a player on the panel who is only fit to play one half of club football never mind county football!!!

If James doesnt make at least an Ulster final this year he will be under serious pressure.

For Sunday Id like to see Pete Turley given a chance at CHB.  Not a great footballer but strong, nasty, niggly.  The exact opposite to our CHB from last year.
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Post by: NP 76 on January 05, 2012, 08:57:33 PM
To be fair Ronan has had injuections in his ankles and has been told to rest . I think he hopes to get this sorted out because it hindered him badly last year with both his club and the county . Come the new year he would hope to get back into contention but as far as i have heard this is the case and he hasnt retired. I would also like to see P Turley at chb he would give us a good bit of steel that has been missing
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Post by: redandblackareback on January 05, 2012, 11:57:59 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 05, 2012, 08:35:32 PM
Just to add to this I am led to believe that Rony Murtagh has not retired, he was not asked back onto the panel.

Now I wish all these young fellas the best but if the likes of Miskelly, Donal O'Hare, Ryan Brady or Ross McGarry have the talent of that man I have yet to see it.  Yes they are young but playing or training alongside the likes of Murtagh would have done them the world of good imo.

Add to this you have a player on the panel who is only fit to play one half of club football never mind county football!!!

If James doesnt make at least an Ulster final this year he will be under serious pressure.

For Sunday Id like to see Pete Turley given a chance at CHB.  Not a great footballer but strong, nasty, niggly.  The exact opposite to our CHB from last year.

Are you talking about Mc Kernan? I actually thought Mc Kernan was one of our strongest players, as in strength I mean big??? Maybe Im wrong. I also think to play at 6 you need to be a decent ball player, the days of the hatchet man at 6 are gone IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on January 06, 2012, 12:01:56 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on January 05, 2012, 11:57:59 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 05, 2012, 08:35:32 PM
Just to add to this I am led to believe that Rony Murtagh has not retired, he was not asked back onto the panel.

Now I wish all these young fellas the best but if the likes of Miskelly, Donal O'Hare, Ryan Brady or Ross McGarry have the talent of that man I have yet to see it.  Yes they are young but playing or training alongside the likes of Murtagh would have done them the world of good imo.

Add to this you have a player on the panel who is only fit to play one half of club football never mind county football!!!

If James doesnt make at least an Ulster final this year he will be under serious pressure.

For Sunday Id like to see Pete Turley given a chance at CHB.  Not a great footballer but strong, nasty, niggly.  The exact opposite to our CHB from last year.

Are you talking about Mc Kernan? I actually thought Mc Kernan was one of our strongest players, as in strength I mean big??? Maybe Im wrong. I also think to play at 6 you need to be a decent ball player, the days of the hatchet man at 6 are gone IMO.

100% agreed. CHB has to set up attacks and be cool on the ball, good passer etc. I dont think theres room for a hatchet man in any position actually anymore, even cornerback.
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Post by: charlieTully on January 06, 2012, 01:42:17 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 05, 2012, 08:35:32 PM
Just to add to this I am led to believe that Rony Murtagh has not retired, he was not asked back onto the panel.

Now I wish all these young fellas the best but if the likes of Miskelly, Donal O'Hare, Ryan Brady or Ross McGarry have the talent of that man I have yet to see it.  Yes they are young but playing or training alongside the likes of Murtagh would have done them the world of good imo.

Add to this you have a player on the panel who is only fit to play one half of club football never mind county football!!!

If James doesnt make at least an Ulster final this year he will be under serious pressure.

For Sunday Id like to see Pete Turley given a chance at CHB.  Not a great footballer but strong, nasty, niggly.  The exact opposite to our CHB from last year.

roney gets the ball, he has two men running either side of him, will he slip it to benny, will he play a cheeky one two with McCommisky?  no he shoots, wide again. the crowd moan. again. overrated, greedy, arrogant, a retired sub at 28. out with the chaff in with the new. good riddance i say.
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Post by: NP 76 on January 06, 2012, 02:05:03 AM
CHB has first and foremost to be a man that fills the space from mid field to defence . He must protect the full back line and most importantely the full back . Imo Mc Kernan doesnt do this . He is great going forward but forgets to mark thus leaving a gaping hole through the heart of our defence . How many times do you see Ger Brennan going forward and leaving his man to run wild ? His priority is to defend at all times . To be honest Charlie think you are being very harsh on Rony . Would say you were like the rest of us in 2010 cheering his scores in the games he came on in
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Post by: PAULD123 on January 06, 2012, 10:22:09 AM
I'm a bit surprised that you are suggesting replacing your club-mate WhiteGM? Especially as McKernan has been a quality performer for us. However he does not defend nearly well enough and doesn't mark up adequately. But he does offer loads going forward. In last year's national league Bryan Cullen said that he was his toughest opponent and also the fittest. So I guess you wouldn't drop McKernan but play him elsewhere. If Turley plays CHB where would you put McKernan?

Also, four players have been withdrawn through injury. Darren O'Hagan, Brendan McCardle, Pul McComiskey and Conor Garvey. Can anyone shed any light on what are the injuries and how serious they are?
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Post by: No1 on January 06, 2012, 11:08:41 AM
QuoteAnyone have any reports from Downs 2 challenge matches against Wexford at Parnells in Dublin on Monday?

Ricky Kerr scored a point and Ciaran Sloan had to go off with a hamstring injury is all I know!

Extremely harsh on Murtagh there Mr Tully, as another poster alludes to he offers a whole lot more than a fella with one leg who is only fit enough for 15 minutes every club game.

I think it is going to be a very difficult season for us this year, we overachieved in 2010 and expectations should take that into account.  I think we'll also begin to appreciate just how important Marty Clarke was to the team the last couple of years.
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Post by: whitegoodman on January 06, 2012, 01:13:13 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on January 06, 2012, 10:22:09 AM
I'm a bit surprised that you are suggesting replacing your club-mate WhiteGM? Especially as McKernan has been a quality performer for us. However he does not defend nearly well enough and doesn't mark up adequately. But he does offer loads going forward. In last year's national league Bryan Cullen said that he was his toughest opponent and also the fittest. So I guess you wouldn't drop McKernan but play him elsewhere. If Turley plays CHB where would you put McKernan?

Also, four players have been withdrawn through injury. Darren O'Hagan, Brendan McCardle, Pul McComiskey and Conor Garvey. Can anyone shed any light on what are the injuries and how serious they are?

When it comes to the county I dont really care what club players are coming from and although McKernan is undoubtably talented, Down are not good enough to carry him defensively.  Dublin learned that they couldnt pick a ball playing Centre Back in Cullen and neither should Down imo.  We left the gate open last year and teams came sworming through the middle of us.

Turley may not be the answer but he has some of the attributes necessary for the position and is worth a look.  A half back line of Rooney, Turley and Garvey has a strong,atheletic and aggresive look to it.  Lets see if Peter can anchor it.

On McKernan he is a tidy player and maybe he should be tried at wing forward or centre forward or even at corner forward with a roaving role like Poland had played previously.  This would free up Poland at CHF.  Im only surmising at this stage but the McKenna Cup should be used to experiment on these types of things.  Mickey Harte appears to be doing it playing Peter Harte at CHB so why shouldnt we.

On Charlies comments regarding Murtagh if there is 6 better scoring forwards in Down I have yet to see it.
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Post by: PAULD123 on January 06, 2012, 06:00:33 PM
As far as I see it McKernan can't really be justified as a replacement for any of our six forwards from the last two years. Murtagh is a better forward and even he couldn't get in the team. As a back up yes definitely he would provide excellent cover.

But although he is a bit weak defensively he is still a better defender than most of our other options. So I feel that what happened was, in a desire to have his talent on the pitch, he was accommodated in defence where he was not good enough but better than the other players, as there was no place for him in attack.

We are blessed with good attackers and cursed by average defenders. Assuming Hughes & Coulter must start, you could justify picking any four from McComiskey, McKernan, Doyle, Laverty, Murtagh, MaGinn, Poland, Ambrose. All still fully are good enough to be considered for a starting role in the forwards (even Ambrose, who will play midfield)

I think the answer is to persuade McKernan to learn to concentrate more on his defensive duties.

But I do understand your point about trying Turley, and the resulting effect on McKernan is a difficult one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on January 06, 2012, 07:39:53 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on January 06, 2012, 06:00:33 PM
As far as I see it McKernan can't really be justified as a replacement for any of our six forwards from the last two years.

Depends.


If you want one of your forwards to play as a sweeper infront of the full back line, there is probably no-one in Down better suited to doing that and raid forward when the opportunity presents itself.
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Post by: whitegoodman on January 06, 2012, 08:42:51 PM
With Marty Clarke, John Clarke and Rony Murtagh not in the picture there is space for a few new forwards.

I would say that Benny, Hughes and Poland are certs.  Another space is likely to be taken by either McCumisky or Lavery.  Although both classy footballers, I feel u cant fit both in the same team in modern day football.  My personal preference is McCumisky but its a close call.  That leaves 2 positions, one of which mcginn is likely to take if he can stay injury free.

That leaves one position between the likes of Carr, Doyle, McKernan or Jamie O Reilly.  It will be interesting to see how O'Reilly adapts to intercounty football after a year or 2 away.  At min without seeing any of them playing this year id like to see the following line out against Donegal at the start of feb.

Hughes
Poland
McGinn
McCumisky
Coulter
Carr/O Reilly/Mckernan

with Carr/O Reilly or Mckernan moving out the field leaving Benny and McCumisky inside.  This could all change though depending on performances over the next few wks and from what I hear Mckernan is away to Oz for a few wks and may not be back for the start of the national league.
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Post by: artisan2010 on January 06, 2012, 10:12:15 PM
Isn't the start of a new intercounty season a wonderful thing. We can all kid ourselves that a few changes will see us right.
Rather than personnel changes is it not more about styles of play.
The Dubs won last year with a 12 man defense and only 3 decent forwards. In my view we have better fowards as a group but will the suffocating style employed by the Dubs and Donegal allow us to utilise them.
God forbid but must we consider dirty percentage football especially against the likes of these. Is it possible to switch this style off and on.
Its not that long ago that the sweeper was utilised and as far as I remember we had the best defensive record in the NFL that season.
What impact has O'Rourke had on the defensive set up, the cast looks the same.
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Post by: NP 76 on January 06, 2012, 11:04:00 PM
See team announced for sunday

1 Brendan Mc Veigh
2 Daniel Mc Cartan
3 Dan Gordon
4 Niall Brannigan
5 Damien Turley
6 Peter Turley
7 Liam Doyle
8 Kalum King
9 Connor Gough
10 Danny Hughes
11 Aidan Carr
12 David Mc Kibbon
13 Keith Quinn 14Eoin Mc Cartan 15 Marcus Miskelly
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 06, 2012, 11:42:17 PM
Interesting first selection for 2012. The side has a physically strong look about it. Keith Quinn will surely play as a third midfielder with McKibben also likely to play a deeper role. While midfield possesses two big men, don't be expecting many attacks from either man. Big chance for miskelly, Carr and Hughes to deliver in the scoring department.
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Post by: Leo on January 07, 2012, 12:20:57 AM
Apart from Hughes, a very experimental forward line. Good to see the bravado approach here but  - sure we always have good forwards.
Gordon at full back again has become tiresome and will be the fatal flaw in James's legacy - too obvious to say, but there you go. Waste of a good midfielder and he ends up as sticky plaster on the edge of the square. Unfair to player and team.
Doyle a natural left footed player at left half??? Beats me.
Early days - I wasn't at training - let's give it a lash.
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Post by: T O Hare on January 07, 2012, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 06, 2012, 01:42:17 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 05, 2012, 08:35:32 PM
Just to add to this I am led to believe that Rony Murtagh has not retired, he was not asked back onto the panel.

Now I wish all these young fellas the best but if the likes of Miskelly, Donal O'Hare, Ryan Brady or Ross McGarry have the talent of that man I have yet to see it.  Yes they are young but playing or training alongside the likes of Murtagh would have done them the world of good imo.

Add to this you have a player on the panel who is only fit to play one half of club football never mind county football!!!

If James doesnt make at least an Ulster final this year he will be under serious pressure.

For Sunday Id like to see Pete Turley given a chance at CHB.  Not a great footballer but strong, nasty, niggly.  The exact opposite to our CHB from last year.

roney gets the ball, he has two men running either side of him, will he slip it to benny, will he play a cheeky one two with McCommisky?  no he shoots, wide again. the crowd moan. again. overrated, greedy, arrogant, a retired sub at 28. out with the chaff in with the new. good riddance i say.

A disgraceful ignorant comment about a lad who have given so much to Down since he played on the all-Ireland minor team in 1999. A fantastic player who is still unmarkable in club football..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 07, 2012, 05:16:19 PM
Well said T OHare. Ronan is a class act and comments like that are way of the mark. In my view Ronan has got a raw deal with the current management, he had to produce much more than certain others to get recognition with a Consistent starting role. Against cork in the league last year he was cleaning shields before surprisingly being substituted and then was man of the match against Armagh in newry yet he was left out to accommodate others in later national league games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on January 07, 2012, 08:11:25 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on January 07, 2012, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 06, 2012, 01:42:17 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 05, 2012, 08:35:32 PM
Just to add to this I am led to believe that Rony Murtagh has not retired, he was not asked back onto the panel.

Now I wish all these young fellas the best but if the likes of Miskelly, Donal O'Hare, Ryan Brady or Ross McGarry have the talent of that man I have yet to see it.  Yes they are young but playing or training alongside the likes of Murtagh would have done them the world of good imo.

Add to this you have a player on the panel who is only fit to play one half of club football never mind county football!!!

If James doesnt make at least an Ulster final this year he will be under serious pressure.

For Sunday Id like to see Pete Turley given a chance at CHB.  Not a great footballer but strong, nasty, niggly.  The exact opposite to our CHB from last year.

roney gets the ball, he has two men running either side of him, will he slip it to benny, will he play a cheeky one two with McCommisky?  no he shoots, wide again. the crowd moan. again. overrated, greedy, arrogant, a retired sub at 28. out with the chaff in with the new. good riddance i say.

A disgraceful ignorant comment about a lad who have given so much to Down since he played on the all-Ireland minor team in 1999. A fantastic player who is still unmarkable in club football..
Totally unnecessary vindictive horrible comment about Ronan Murtagh. A quality player over the past decade and owes Down nothing.
Must also comment on Peter Turley. Dont think some of the comments here do him justice. Not the nasty niggly hatchet man discussed.
Hard, rugged uncompromising definitely but nasty definitely not. Not convinced CHB is is best position at county level though. With his fielding and strength he could be the man to release Dan from FB in certain situations.
Title: Kilclief
Post by: No1 on January 07, 2012, 08:42:23 PM
Kilclief's new football manager for the forthcoming season is Kevin Blaney.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 07, 2012, 09:05:07 PM
While Ronan Murtagh has been a good servant to Down and has been selfless in his commitment (and certainly doesn't deserve the abuse on here) he didn't strike me as a player that was going to be on the starting 15 of a successful Down team. I think we have had 10 or 11 good county players over the last 5 years but have rarely had them all on the pitch at the same time.Clearly the best performance in that period was the defeat of Kerry yet we had some average players in the 18 or so players in that game.
Anyway, looking forward to the start of the post-MC era tomorrow- if it wasn't so early it would have even more cut to it- and surprised that James has gone for Gough from day one but (without wanting to re-open the FB debate again) I disagree with Leo about Dan- also; is Eoin Mc Cartan fit for an hour's football ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 07, 2012, 09:21:12 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on January 07, 2012, 09:05:07 PM
While Ronan Murtagh has been a good servant to Down and has been selfless in his commitment (and certainly doesn't deserve the abuse on here) he didn't strike me as a player that was going to be on the starting 15 of a successful Down team. I think we have had 10 or 11 good county players over the last 5 years but have rarely had them all on the pitch at the same time.Clearly the best performance in that period was the defeat of Kerry yet we had some average players in the 18 or so players in that game.
Anyway, looking forward to the start of the post-MC era tomorrow- if it wasn't so early it would have even more cut to it- and surprised that James has gone for Gough from day one but (without wanting to re-open the FB debate again) I disagree with Leo about Dan- also; is Eoin Mc Cartan fit for an hour's football ?

Id say he will only play the 1st half of the game, then prob be changed... delighted for him to be starting, and hope he shuts a few critics up on this!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 07, 2012, 09:30:56 PM
Quote from: Leo on January 07, 2012, 12:20:57 AM
Apart from Hughes, a very experimental forward line. Good to see the bravado approach here but  - sure we always have good forwards.
Gordon at full back again has become tiresome and will be the fatal flaw in James's legacy - too obvious to say, but there you go. Waste of a good midfielder and he ends up as sticky plaster on the edge of the square. Unfair to player and team.
Doyle a natural left footed player at left half??? Beats me.
Early days - I wasn't at training - let's give it a lash.
I would agree Leo, it pisses me off  to see Dan Gordon wasted in  at no 3. A player who could have been up there as one of Downs greatest midfielders is wasted as an average full back. If he had played in 2010 in Midfield against Cork, Down would have won the All Ireland in my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 07, 2012, 09:44:34 PM
Im with DD on the Dan debate, its a very contentious issue with decent arguments on both sides.

I wouldnt agree that Dan was one of our greatest midfielders, long from it actually.  He would often take off great catches only to be smothered out of it when he came back to ground because of a lack of aggression.  He often flattered to deceive in that position being out of games for long periods yet earning rave reviews for a few great fetches. I actually think a fully fit Ambrose is a lot better alround midfielder than Dan.  If Ambrose had of been fit against Cork we would have won the all ireland imo.

Also think Dan has turned out to be pretty decent FB, better than any alternatives we have anyway.  Pete Turley mad add to these options this year given he was decent there under Ross.

On Eoin McCartan, very talented but how can he play for Down when he cant complete a full match for Burren??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 07, 2012, 10:08:12 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 07, 2012, 09:44:34 PM
Im with DD on the Dan debate, its a very contentious issue with decent arguments on both sides.

I wouldnt agree that Dan was one of our greatest midfielders, long from it actually.  He would often take off great catches only to be smothered out of it when he came back to ground because of a lack of aggression.  He often flattered to deceive in that position being out of games for long periods yet earning rave reviews for a few great fetches. I actually think a fully fit Ambrose is a lot better alround midfielder than Dan.  If Ambrose had of been fit against Cork we would have won the all ireland imo.

Also think Dan has turned out to be pretty decent FB, better than any alternatives we have anyway.  Pete Turley mad add to these options this year given he was decent there under Ross.

On Eoin McCartan, very talented but how can he play for Down when he cant complete a full match for Burren??

Don't think anyone expects Eoin to complete a full match, think tomorrow is a rare occasion with him starting.. The reason why he is in the panel is to give an option from the bench, and I don't think there are many better options to play the last 15/20 Min's of a game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 08, 2012, 11:25:59 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 07, 2012, 09:44:34 PM
Im with DD on the Dan debate, its a very contentious issue with decent arguments on both sides.

I wouldnt agree that Dan was one of our greatest midfielders, long from it actually.  He would often take off great catches only to be smothered out of it when he came back to ground because of a lack of aggression.  He often flattered to deceive in that position being out of games for long periods yet earning rave reviews for a few great fetches. I actually think a fully fit Ambrose is a lot better alround midfielder than Dan.  If Ambrose had of been fit against Cork we would have won the all ireland imo.

Also think Dan has turned out to be pretty decent FB, better than any alternatives we have anyway.  Pete Turley mad add to these options this year given he was decent there under Ross.

On Eoin McCartan, very talented but how can he play for Down when he cant complete a full match for Burren??
i agree also ,ambrose is much better and if fit Down would have won All Ireland but surely Gordon is his best partner in middle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 08, 2012, 11:51:21 AM
KIng was Ambrose best partner before Ambrose got injuried . Ambrose worked well with Kalum because he did the running and King did the donkey work around the middle . Dan wouldnt do the hitting and hassling to free up Ambrose . As someone said before Dan caught a few catches alright but that really was it flitted in out of the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on January 08, 2012, 12:41:31 PM
Sine Dan moved into fullback, have Down ever come out on top in midfield in a game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 08, 2012, 12:56:15 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on January 08, 2012, 12:41:31 PM
Sine Dan moved into fullback, have Down ever come out on top in midfield in a game?

Kerry 2010, kildare 2010 to name but 2.

Imo ambrose has been a much bigger miss at midfield than Dan whilst at the same time Dan has looked the best fb we have had since Brian burns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on January 08, 2012, 02:00:18 PM
Can someone post updates please? Heard Dan's been moved to full forward?
Title: Re: Kilclief
Post by: DownFanatic on January 08, 2012, 02:01:49 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 07, 2012, 08:42:23 PM
Kilclief's new football manager for the forthcoming season is Kevin Blaney.

Feck, he gets about. St Pauls, Bredagh, Tullylish, St Johns, ASK Lecale and Glenavy all in the past seven odd years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 08, 2012, 05:36:31 PM
A positive start to the season today with all debutantes playing well. Dan Gordon has to play midfield as his fielding was excellent as was young Gough who certainly looked a strong prospect.. Aidan Carr played very well and Ryan Brady had a great start in the corner and uses the ball very well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 08, 2012, 05:48:24 PM
Yes great start to the year . Totally dominant all over the field with all the new lads putting in a good shift . Its a long time from Down had as big and physical team on the field . Gordon and Gough totally cleaned out mid field with alot of clean catches .Big Kalum was excellent and gave Vernon a torrid time and also did well when he came out to the middle . All in all a good performance with plent of different options tried in different places
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 08, 2012, 06:14:02 PM
Good performance by Down today against an Armagh thirds string, maybe 4th string. Apart from Vernon, Mallon, paddan and ORourke and later McKeever there team was unrecognisable to most. Thought old hands Doyle, Gordan and Hughes where excellent while Gough, Brady and Miskelly where best of the newcomers. Laverty stared when introduced while Aidan Carr showed why he should keep the number 11 jersey with a controlled display on the 40. Tougher tests lie ahead but a good start against the old enemy.
Title: Re: Kilclief
Post by: ardtole on January 08, 2012, 06:22:31 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 07, 2012, 08:42:23 PM
Kilclief's new football manager for the forthcoming season is Kevin Blaney.
Did Phelim Sharvin stand down no 1, after such a successful year its a surprise he isnt staying on for a crack at div 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on January 08, 2012, 06:32:29 PM
Did Gordon play the whole game at midfield? Where did king line out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 08, 2012, 06:37:11 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on January 08, 2012, 06:32:29 PM
Did Gordon play the whole game at midfield? Where did king line out?
Gordan played at left half forward, king at full forward with Turley and Gough the midfield pairing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 08, 2012, 06:39:39 PM
Anyone have the actual line out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on January 08, 2012, 06:43:45 PM
Mc Veigh
N Brannigan
Dan Mc Cartan
D Turley
D Mc Kibben
L doyle
K quinn
P Turley
C gough
D Hughes
A Carr
K KING
M Miskelly
D Gordon
R Brady
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 08, 2012, 06:44:28 PM
Decent performance but Armagh were awful so it was hard to gauge performances.  King could be useful to put in for 15 min spells as he is difficult to handle but couldnt see him starting games there as it would be a bit of a one trick pony.

Brady was decent and Lavery the same when he replaced Brady but it difficult to see these two players starting on the same team.

Dan and Gough had some impressive catches but Gough looks timid and would need an awful lot of strengthening work done but he is young and has potential. 

To me Dan looks lost when he he goes into the opposition half but if he is not to be at FB then please midfield and not wing forward like against Tyrone 2 years ago in Casement when he looked completely lost.  The big lad number 26 who came on to mark him today looked like he should be out on a farmyard in south armagh rather than on the football pitch.  Tougher tests lie ahead.

Is Dan McCartan the alternative at FB.......................
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 08, 2012, 06:55:08 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 08, 2012, 06:39:39 PM
Anyone have the actual line out?
B Mcveigh, N Brannigan,D McCartan,D Turley,D Mckibbin,L Doyle,K Quinn,P Turley,C Gough,D Hughes,A Carr,D Gordan,M Miskelly,K King and R Brady.
Subs: A Brannigan for Mckibbin, K Duffin for Doyle, C Laverty for Brady, B Coulter for Gough and A McConnville for Hughes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 08, 2012, 07:00:06 PM
Can't say a lot more than has been said other than to note the good crowd ( probably over 3,000- greater than the entire Irish league attendance yesterday) and not a word on Radio Ulster news on way home- shame on them.
Aidan Carr was my MOM, new captain Danny Hughes close second and Liam Doyle good.
Of the new boys Miskelly put in a good shift, Quinn and Mc Kibbin got tore in and Brady took his goal well. The Daniel/Dan/Kalum debate will continue but with Ambrose likely to return I can see him and Peter Turley starting against Monaghan. Eoin Mc Cartan looked to be dosed with the cold but not sure why Mc Allister didn't get a run in goals- Brendy didn't have a save to make as Armagh seconds had no real threat . Good to start with a win anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turkey+ham on January 08, 2012, 07:18:09 PM
decent result for Down today - played well, but opposition must be considered.

Thought Phelim Sharvin did a great job in Kilclief last year - why not a second year? Kevin Blaney has been about and also touting for a lot of jobs recently. WDC there?

Any other new managers this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on January 08, 2012, 07:19:58 PM
Definitely more than 3000 in the stand ,never mind the terrace!

Down should have been out of sight,against a remarkably poor Armagh side(the ex Monaghan man-no.26)had to be seen to know what i mean,and it took the Laverty/Coulter experience to close the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 08, 2012, 07:20:49 PM
Anyone any idea when the new master fixture list for the upcoming season is due to be announced.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on January 08, 2012, 07:39:21 PM
Any word how the Down players got on for the colleges today? Ronan Sexton was centre half forward for the ranch while Niall Donnelly played midfield. I read that Chris Clarke scored a few points for the poly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 08, 2012, 07:56:58 PM
really encouraging start to the new year. thought aiden carr was stand out performer along with danny hughes. good to see dan back out around the middle. all the new boys did reasonably well especially gough and brady in the 1st half. great to see such a big crowd for the 1st game of the year. as other posters have said tougher tests lie ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 08, 2012, 08:39:45 PM
Good result for Down against a poor Armagh side who missed 2 or 3 scoreable frees and hit the post on 3 occasions.  Final scoreline flattered us I thought, plenty of work to do.  Thought Miskelly and Big Dan were very good today.

Kilclief's manager of last year only committed to the one year.  He will be a very difficult act to follow.
Title: Re: Kilclief
Post by: Square Ball on January 08, 2012, 08:40:24 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 08, 2012, 02:01:49 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 07, 2012, 08:42:23 PM
Kilclief's new football manager for the forthcoming season is Kevin Blaney.

Feck, he gets about. St Pauls, Bredagh, Tullylish, St Johns, ASK Lecale and Glenavy all in the past seven odd years.
I think these three were all within a year and ASK was only for two weeks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 08, 2012, 10:10:59 PM
A satisfactory start for us today against an admittedly under-strength Armagh who looked fairly clueless apart from a few brief flashes. There is genuine competition for places building up, and we will probably see quite a few changes for Clones next week. It is never an easy place to go, but, given today's points difference, a draw would very likely put us into the semis.

McVeigh did not have a save to make and his clearances were good. The full back line creaked a few times, but Daniel improved after a shaky opening. While his cuteness makes up for the obvious lack of pace and height, and he may well start in the corner this summer, we need to try other options at full back during the McKenna campaign. DamienTurley was reasonable, apart from a couple of lapses, but Niall Brannigan did not convince on the other side.

Doyle was excellent at CHB, always knew where the ball was going and it's great to see his fitness slowly returning. McKibben and Quinn had their moments at wing half  without dominating.

Gough needs to fill out, and did not look comfortable in possession, but still had quite a debut for a teenage midfielder. He took three towering catches in a row in the first half, tired understandably after the break but was competing well until he was replaced to a well deserved ovation from the main stand. Peter Turley was solid enough beside him, but a switch to no 3 next time out looks logical.

Carr was just about the man of the match, and reminded us all of the ability he is undoubtedly capable of displaying. He was given less space when McKeever appeared, and it is too early to start talking about life after Marty, but it was certainly a statement of intent. Danny, as we know, is a class act, and his link play was outstanding. He seemed to enjoy being captain, although McKernan, when he returns, may also be a contender for the armband. Big Dan, as the third member of an impressive half forward line, had a couple of dreadful shots early on but got better and better. He absolutely dominated midfield after the break, although, barring the unexpected, it is still difficult to see who else can play at full back when the USC arrives.

Brady worked very hard and took his goal well but is probably on the small side. Miskelly is physically stronger, hit three fine points and often looked the part in a position where, unfortunately for him, he has a long list of talented rivals. Big Kallum was lost at full forward initially but grew in confidence and began to lay on flicks and passes in all directions. He also found time to introduce himself to McKeever, which can sometimes be necessary.

Of the subs, Aidan Brannigan and McConville did not really make an impact, Duffin was steady and Benny look very sharp. Laverty is a gem, and the only debate is whether he should baffle defenders from the start or from the bench.

It is always a good day when we beat Armagh, but we will probably get a better test next Sunday. The first league game against Donegal is a massive one, and the indications today were relatively positive. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 08, 2012, 11:17:04 PM
Good honest summary Mourne Rover nothing missed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on January 09, 2012, 12:44:01 AM
Yeh agree with everything said there. The lads making their debuts impressed me, Brady got a lot of ball in the first half, and took his goal well, Keith Quinn had a stormer I thought, and Gough did well. Although Danny Hughes was excellent, I would agree with Carr as MoTM. He just looked solid as a rock. Very strong on the ball, just seemed to be holding off men all over him, kept it until the pass was on, the easy 100% pass or even the killer ball, one cross-field outside of the boot pas to Gough sticks out. He was always on hand to take the ball from the defenders, and especially the younger men. Considering he got handled heavily throughout by McKeever, he was superb.

On a footnote, I always love the crowd's reaction when Benny Coulter comes on in Newry, such a massive roar, what an amazing feeling that must be for the man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 09, 2012, 11:49:48 AM
I agree with everything said above. So I wanted to instead to think about the significance of the match and performance. In all honesty the most significant thing is that it was an entertaining afternoon. It doesn't have much bearing on how the league or championship will go. The only important thing is to see if we can find a player who looks like adding to the quality of the squad. But at least beating Armagh is a pleasant way to start the season.

Aside from that it is worth considering the performances. Given that it was virtually an entirely new team formation they played really well together. That shows the training is obviously good and the players know how to react to each other. A few times we were under pressure at the back and the defenders were very cool about moving the ball till the opportunity came to clear it. So overall I thought as a team the boys did very well.

Individually (apart from the regular performers who we already know about) -

Carr showed that he has been hard done by this last few years and he could have been an edge in a few games we struggled in.

Gough looks like he has a really bright future in county football. Very young yet, but with some more experience and strength he will be the part. Some of his catches were superb and I thought more importantly his movement was very good too. 

Dan was fantastic at midfield, even with that big lump of a No.26 hanging off him. I hope that James tries to accommodate him a bit more in the middle, as controlling midfield reduces the pressure on the defence and the reason we have needed him so badly there in the last few years.

Brady and Miskelly were excellent, I don't think we could have asked for more of them. But sadly there is a negative. Once again we are looking at fast skilful forwards that are short and light. Brady especially looks waif-like. It is nice to see that we have so much skill in or attacking options but with McComiskey and Laverty already established, how could we fit in either Brady or Miskelly? But at least we have them and their performances impressed.

Overall I felt that the performances of Gough, Brady and Miskelly were high points and we could happily say they will make good additions to the squad. So in that respect the match was a success for us. I don't think Armagh could say the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 09, 2012, 02:56:23 PM
I see Cathal Murray has been appointed as the new Saul manager. Must of taken a serious amount of cash to tempt him to a Division 3 club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 09, 2012, 03:30:42 PM
Saul have been going well at underage level recently, Murray will be a great appointment for them. As a club they seem to be heading in the right direction, a year in div 4 might have done them no harm in the long run, from what I hear they blooded a good few of their younger players. It will be interesting to see how they get on this season.
Title: S*ul
Post by: No1 on January 09, 2012, 03:59:15 PM
You can't train donkeys to win the National.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: real food, real people on January 09, 2012, 04:09:54 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 09, 2012, 03:59:15 PM
You can't train donkeys to win the National.
I wonder will Kevin Blaney be thinking the same this time next year.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 10, 2012, 10:15:56 AM
Thinking about the Down team and in particular WhiteGM's comments before about Turley playing CHB.

I actually thought physically Turley did well, but as has been said, didn't make a great deal of catching. But Turley perhaps added a physical presence that allowed Gough to catch. So I think our best four midfielders are Ambrose-Gordon-King-Gough. However I would like to see Turley at CHB with Doyle and McKernan either side of him. Both those players are skillful attackers and are probably better suited to wing back than CHB where a more physical defensive nature is beneficial. This has been the one downfall of McKernan, he doesn't defend well enough. But at wing back in the current game good attacking can push an opposing forward back down the pitch (look at Aaron Kernan, hardly a great defender but highly effective at wing back). Also I wouldn't want to rely on Garvey and Rooney who seem to have too many injuries.

What do other people think?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 10, 2012, 01:18:18 PM
Whilst acknowledging that high fielding maybe isnt Turleys biggest asset I would still feel he could be a great foil for either Ambrose or Dan at midfield in the Kalumn King mould only more mobile.  He has immense strength, probably as strong as Ive seen in a Down shirt in quite a while, breaks play up and and can do the dirty/donkey work.  As said he should be an option for the 2 central positions in the defence as well although may lack the pace for FB.  He may not be the answer but he should be given a shot as its not as if we are overcome with options.

One thing I dont want to see is an Ambrose/Dan midfield.  If Dan has to play midfield as some on here are demanding then put Ambrose to the wing in the Sean Cavanagh role and let him roam about the pitch.  Just dont feel Ambrose/Dan compliment each other as a partnership, neither is the "donkey", neither are the grafters, both are nice footballers who like to get forward.  Always though Ambrose shown better with King rather than Dan when he has played midfield.  That doenst mean King is a better player than Dan, just he brings the best out in Ambrose.

On the WHB positions I seem to be in the minority on here that feels Doyle wouldnt have the legs to moving up and down the wings.  Can you imagine him running after a Danny Hughes, Paul Galvin, Brian Dooher type player??  I actually rate Aaron Kernan as a good defender, especially having seen him at close hand in the club championship, certainly a better defender that McKernan anyway.  As has been said McKernan is a great footballer but he wouldnt make my defence.

My opinion would be to stick with Rooney and Garvey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 10, 2012, 02:01:07 PM
Doyle at WHB just isn't an option, it'd put too much pressure on the WHF in front of him to track back. Aaron Kernan might look like a luxury player, but he has the engine and speed to get back down as well as get up the field. Liam, at 31 and 10 of those years out hurt, wouldn't be able to - and 70 minutes of doing so at Championship speed on a summer pitch could finish him. If anything, it's a role made for Kevin McKernan.

WGM - would you really call Turley more mobile than King? Enough to notice at county level? I'm not sure. I'd say they're similarly quick. Turley might be a more keen ball carrier, but I actually think of King's greatest strengths is he knows what his role isn't to do.

Ambrose and Dan could, I believe, only work together in midfield in tandem with both a CHB and CHF who hold their positions. Neither of them provide any real shield for their defence, and Down could be easily exposed by direct football up the middle. Personally I don't think it's worth pursuing. One or the other.

I'd also like Garvey to get a run at centre back this year in the early games. McKernan is a great centre half back to have around when we're winning, but when we're losing, he's too keen to force the game by bombing forward. There's only a handful of "out and out" defenders in Down. We need one of those at CHB.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 10, 2012, 05:49:35 PM
Some interesting posts here but most seem to be veering towards the natural return of Dan Gordon to midfield.
It's 20 years since I watched the best midfield partnership I have seen win the All-Irelannd, McGilligan & Tohill, a perfect combination. This would enhance the argument of those who would pair King with Gordon, and there's a lot to be said for letting Ambrose play off the half line. Kalum is no Brian McGilligan but he does bring some of his physical elements to the position.
I also strongly agree that McKernan is no CHB; his ebullient style can be accommodated at wing half as long as we have a solid holding player in the centre.
There should also be a place for Darren O'Hagan in the defence based on his club form last year - not the biggest, but a good footballer, fields well, athletic and strong on the ball.
Come the League, the likes of Donal O'Hare & Jamie O'Reilly will be pitching in for a forward place so it would be logical too leave Benny on the square, given that there hould be plenty of service from those around him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 12, 2012, 09:25:14 PM
Who will start this weekend?? Any word of team selection?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 12, 2012, 09:58:05 PM
Quick one for the anoraks. A majority of the Down starting 15 last Sunday were from east Down clubs - when was the last time that happened in a competitive match ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 12, 2012, 11:42:09 PM
8 lads from East Down started last Sunday with 3 coming on also. In 1994 there was also 8 starters from The East. I would doubt if there was ever any higher representation in between these years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 13, 2012, 01:41:12 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 12, 2012, 11:42:09 PM
8 lads from East Down started last Sunday with 3 coming on also. In 1994 there was also 8 starters from The East. I would doubt if there was ever any higher representation in between these years.

Coming rom Sth Down, I couldn't be happier than to see our East Down neighbours getting the limelight, but, honestly, this is a small county, every club within an hour, why do we need this East/South nonesense? We are all An Dun. Time to abolish these divisional boards.... long past.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 13, 2012, 01:56:49 AM
Quote from: alba2 on January 12, 2012, 09:25:14 PM
Who will start this weekend?? Any word of team selection?

Goals: ???
Backs: Daniel McCartan + 2
Half backs: Brian McCartan + 2
Midfield: ???
Forwards: Charlie Pat McCartan + 2
Full forwards: Eoin McCartan + 2
Just a wild guess.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 13, 2012, 09:10:25 AM
Good one Leo must of been up all night to think of that one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 13, 2012, 09:31:38 AM
East Down folk seem to be very hung up on the split of the county team. It rears its head every few months on here, and is even pushed as a problem for the County Board by some folks. When I watch Down, I couldn't give a fiddlers where anyone comes from. I prefer if they're Ballyholland, but beyond that they're all my county men.

But, to help hose down this nonsense, I went to Ross Carr's first game in charge against Antrim, and I'm pretty sure all of these featured that day (some as subs):

- Turley, Telford, Gracey (Downpatrick)
- Johnston and O'Reilly (Loughinisland)
- McGourty (Darragh Cross)
- Burns, McGreevy (Castlewellan)
- Toner, Carville, Gribben (Bryansford)

I'd be surprised if Liatroim didn't have a player or two involved that day as well.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 13, 2012, 11:21:06 AM
That list by Wobbler makes me think that Ross Carr either had very little to choose from or made poor choices. I think the truth is a bit of both.

As for the East to vs South Down issue. It is of little relevance to supporters, who just want to see the best 15 players in red and black. It is a chip on the shoulder of some (a few) people from East Down. But I do not for a second think it is even a tiny bit of an issue for the management. The only objective is to win and the best players to achieve that will certainly be picked. The management may get the decision wrong at times but not for geographical prejudice, just because humans don't always get things right.

Finally The four best teams are Burren, Mayobridge, Brynsford, and Kilcoo. The squad represents this quite reasonably and there is no justification for trying to make up agendas that simply don't exist.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 13, 2012, 11:23:25 AM
More importantly Lets talk about the Monaghan match. The team will probably be announced around 11pm tonight. And NP76 will probably be first to post it!!! The team will contain several of the new squad members and those on the periphery. James has stated clearly that the McKenna cup is for experimenting and for giving people a chance to shine.

What ever team is chosen I really hope we can get a victory because winning is a habit and it would be nice to progress in this competition to give all the players a good run out. I think it could serve as a good launch pad for our league campaign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 13, 2012, 11:48:14 AM
Quote
That list by Wobbler makes me think that Ross Carr either had very little to choose from or made poor choices. I think the truth is a bit of both.

In fairness Paul, the story was a bit different. More than a few people observed that Down weren't physically big or strong enough to compete with Armagh or Tyrone during POR's reign. Which was a load of nonsense; the truth is we weren't good enough to compete on a level basis, and weren't organised enough to clamp down, cheat and curtail enough to close the gap.

When Ross and co took over, they basically gave every player in the county of over 6' and 13st a run out, to see if they could unearth a centre back, full back and full forward. Part of it was political - a few D3 and D4 players got call ups who were never close to good enough - and part of it was genuinely motivated by trying to find a hidden gem.

The team that they ended up with come Championship time was uncannily similar to Paddy O'Rourke's in the previous couple of years.

 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on January 13, 2012, 06:15:46 PM
Interviews with Down players after the Armagh Game

Dan & Ryan Brady                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VuhtSaxchg&context=C3185cc7ADOEgsToPDskL1OwIYS8cw9waRaB2MjN3U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VuhtSaxchg&context=C3185cc7ADOEgsToPDskL1OwIYS8cw9waRaB2MjN3U)
Danny Hughes and Marcus Miskelly    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYFFbSb-QEI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYFFbSb-QEI&feature=related)
Damien Watson & Conor Lavery         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKUPp6HnNcw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKUPp6HnNcw&feature=related)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 13, 2012, 07:49:20 PM
Down v Monaghan
1 M McAllister
2 N Brannigan
3 D McCartan
4 D Turley
5 K Quinn
6 K Duffin
7 M Doran
8 P Turley
9 A Rogers
10 D Hughes
11 A Carr
12 D Gordan
13 M Miskelly
14 K King
15 C Laverty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 13, 2012, 07:55:16 PM
In July, 2010, Ambrose gave a midfield masterclass when we hammered Kerry in the championship at Croke Park. Due to injury, he has not started a competitive game for Down since then. He has been an enormous loss for us over the last 18 months, and, beginning at Clones on Sunday, he is due a change of fortune.

My previous query about east Down players was based on idle curiosity and some of the replies had a hint of paranoia.  It would also be tempting to ask how many Down forwards scored with their left feet in the 1991 All Ireland final, but it might risk a backlash from the right-footers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 13, 2012, 10:03:42 PM
I just hope expectations on Ambrose dont reach ridiculous levels.
I for one am just happy that he will take to the field again and get some game time in what is still a long road to recovery after an injury ravaged 3 years. Similarlily with Doyle i think its a bonus these guys are togging out and playing again.
Looks like the Dan experiment at wing forward as a third midfield option will continue for another game.
Three big men spread across the field as options for kickouts with Turley earmarked for the more defensive role id assume.
James is trying things and thats all ye can really expect at this time of year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 14, 2012, 12:06:48 PM
The team above tells me two things.

Firstly James is sticking to a trial system. He wants to play a extra tall man in teh forwards to boost midfield. He wants to play fast running full forwards playing of a hit-man.

The second thing is that he has selected a small number of players that he wants to give a chance to make teh National League squad. Miskelly, Quinn, the Turleys and Niall Brannigan are all being given their chance (I'm sure Brady will play as a sub)

So while James is experimenting, it isn't experimenting just for the sake of it, he has identified exactly the options he wishes to explore. I say fair play to him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 15, 2012, 02:00:48 PM
After a couple of late changes, the Down starting 15 in Clones is -
M McAllister,
N McParland,
D McCartan,
D Turley,
K Quinn,
K Duffin,
M Doran,
P Turley,
A Rogers (capt),
C Gough,
A Carr,
D Gordon,
M Miskelly,
K King,
B Coulter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 15, 2012, 02:32:45 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 15, 2012, 02:00:48 PM
After a couple of late changes, the Down starting 15 in Clones is -
M McAllister,
N McParland,
D McCartan,
D Turley,
K Quinn,
K Duffin,
M Doran,
P Turley,
A Rogers (capt),
C Gough,
A Carr,
D Gordon,
M Miskelly,
K King,
B Coulter.
Big enough men from 8 to 15, many of whom with midfield experience.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 15, 2012, 02:44:12 PM
Half time in Clones and it could hardly be going any better for us. Down lead by 3-6 to 0-3, and the excellent comentary via downgaa.net suggests we should be even further in front. Big King, who as far as I can recall, has never previously scored for Down, has got two goals, and came within inches of a hat-trick, with Dan knocking in the other one. Ambrose is popping up everywhere, and has kicked a point, and we appear to be dominating all over the field. It's only the McKenna Cup, but the signs are very encouraging so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 15, 2012, 03:35:31 PM
FT from Clones, Monaghan 0-11 Down 4-12. The best line from the commentator on downgaa.net came when he described a catch by big King on the edge of the square - `he riz like a phoenix.'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 15, 2012, 06:08:43 PM
Just back from Clones where Down played well against a Monaghan side who had a nightmare first half. We dominated in all areas for 55 minutes and eased of in the last 15. Dan Gordan gave a man of the match performance scoring 1-1 and fielding superbly. Kalum King gave Darren Hughes endless problems in the first half while we also had top displays from Benny, Carr, Duffin, Miskelly and Kieth Quinn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 15, 2012, 06:38:13 PM
Two MOM performances in a row  from Dan in midfield.
How tiresome now are my posts about the folly of shifting him to full back?
He has his mojo back and we can go places.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 15, 2012, 07:09:17 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 15, 2012, 06:08:43 PM
Just back from Clones where Down played well against a Monaghan side who had a nightmare first half. We dominated in all areas for 55 minutes and eased of in the last 15. Dan Gordan gave a man of the match performance scoring 1-1 and fielding superbly. Kalum King gave Darren Hughes endless problems in the first half while we also had top displays from Benny, Carr, Duffin, Miskelly and Kieth Quinn.
Thats a fair compliment to king I would rate Darren Hughes as an excellent footballer. Probably monaghans best player at present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 15, 2012, 08:53:28 PM
Difficult to gauge how much has been learned against 2 substandard oufits in the last 2 wks.  Monaghan were equally as bad as Armagh were last wk.

Dan had a great game out the field and it would be a great luxury to be able to afford to play him and Ambrose at wing forward but that may not be the case as todays midfield could possibly struggle against stronger opposition and one of them are likely to be needed at 8 or 9.

Dans performances out the field is likely to mean him staying away from FB which leads to the question of who will replace him there.  It looks like Dan McCartan is going to start the national league in that position but questions will remain as to whether he is up to the job there.

Kalum Kings performance today against a serious FB would suggest he could be a long term option at FF, he is very difficult to handle and would at the very least be an option in there if we are in trouble with 15 or 20 to go.

Players like Quinn and Miskelly have performed well to date but tougher tests will lie ahead and that is when we will see if the new boys are at the requierd level.

Problems still reman at FB and CHB imo and we havnt yet solved them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 15, 2012, 09:32:25 PM
Quote from: Leo on January 15, 2012, 06:38:13 PM
Two MOM performances in a row  from Dan in midfield.
How tiresome now are my posts about the folly of shifting him to full back?
He has his mojo back and we can go places.

he wasn't playing midfield today, he was hf. but I agree that he shouldn't be moved back into full back line... Good few options for defence still to come back into the team.. rooney, garvey, o'hagan, mc kernan, g mc cartan, hanna and fingers crossed d. rafferty. Id like to see garvey given a run at no.3, great footballer, very strong, reasonable quick and good under the high ball.... i know he would be a big loss from the half back line but there is plenty of cover for there.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 15, 2012, 09:48:27 PM
I would also like to see Garvey tested at full back. A couple of years ago I thought he was too raw and gave away too many frees but his performance against declan osullivan that same year impressed me greatly. I am at a disadvantage in that I do not see many div 1 or 2 games but from what ive seen since its a position I think Garvey could make his own.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 15, 2012, 09:50:19 PM
Down team and scorers today.
M McAllister, K Quinn, D McCartan, D Turley, N McParland, K Duffin, M Doran, P Turley, A Rogers 0-1, C Gough 0-1, A Carr, D Gordan 1-1, M Miskelly 0-3, K King 2-0 and B Coulter 1-3.
Subs: A McConnville 0-2 for B Coulter, J McAreavy for A Rogers, C Brannigan for Miskelly, K Anderson for P Turley and D Hughes for K Duffin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 16, 2012, 07:29:24 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 15, 2012, 09:32:25 PM
Quote from: Leo on January 15, 2012, 06:38:13 PM
Two MOM performances in a row  from Dan in midfield.
How tiresome now are my posts about the folly of shifting him to full back?
He has his mojo back and we can go places.

he wasn't playing midfield today, he was hf. but I agree that he shouldn't be moved back into full back line... Good few options for defence still to come back into the team.. rooney, garvey, o'hagan, mc kernan, g mc cartan, hanna and fingers crossed d. rafferty. Id like to see garvey given a run at no.3, great footballer, very strong, reasonable quick and good under the high ball.... i know he would be a big loss from the half back line but there is plenty of cover for there.....

Well he certainly wans,t playing FB.
Regardlessof jersey number he basically bossed midfield again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 16, 2012, 04:25:12 PM
Anyone know date for semi final. I assume we will be playing Derry barring a disaster against St Marys.
Prob a Casement venue, or do they toss for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 16, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
If we finish top (which is likely) we will play the Sunday semi-final this weekend - Sun 22nd January, probably at 2pm. The venue I do not know about. if it is Derry then I am guessing they will play it neutral at Omagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 16, 2012, 10:19:01 PM
2012 Managers

Division 1

Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Mayobridge - Francie Poland with Stephen Poucher as trainer
Burren - Frank Dawson
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Clonduff - Paul McShane and Tony Wilson
Saval - PJ Magee
Longstone - Greg McCartan
Castlewellan - Liam Hardy
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth


Division 2

An Riocht - Eamon O'Rourke and Brendan Morgan
Rostrevor - Gerard Colgan
Liatroim - Jarlath Austin
Loughinisland - Bundy Mason with John Morgan as trainer
Shamrocks - Mickey Linden
Kilclief - Kevin Blaney
Annaclone - Johnny McCumiskey
Warrenpoint - Conor Tinnelly
Clann na Banna -
Carryduff -


Division 3

Ballymartin - Eamon Burns
Drumgath -
Tullylish -
Darragh Cross - Pat McMahon
Bosco - Raymond Tumelty
Glasdrumman -
Glenn - John Kennedy and Sean McClorey
Atticall -
Ardglass - Collie Savage
St Johns -
Saul - Cathal Murray
Drumaness - Coke Laverty


Division 4

Bredagh - Michael O'Callaghan
Dundrum - Francie Toner
Mitchels -
Dromara -
St Pauls -
Bright -
Teconnaught - DJ Morgan
St Michaels -
Aghaderg -
Aughlisnafin - Emmett Devlin
Ballykinlar -
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 16, 2012, 10:33:40 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 16, 2012, 10:19:01 PM
2012 Managers

Division 1

Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Mayobridge - Francie Poland with Stephen Poucher as trainer
Burren - Frank Dawson
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Ballyholland -
Clonduff - Paul McShane and Tony Wilson
Saval - Pj Magee
Longstone - Gregory McCartan
Castlewellan - Liam Hardy
Downpatrick -


Division 2

An Riocht -
Rostrevor -
Liatroim -
Loughinisland - Bundy Mason
Shamrocks -
Kilclief - Kevin Blaney
Annaclone -
Warrenpoint - Conor Tinnelly
Clann na Banna -
Carryduff -


Division 3

Ballymartin - Eamon Burns
Drumgath -
Tullylish -
Darragh Cross - Pat McMahon
Bosco - Raymond Tumelty
Glasdrumman -
Glenn -
Atticall -
Ardglass - Collie Savage
St Johns -
Saul - Cathal Murray
Drumaness -


Division 4

Bredagh - Michael O'Callaghan
Dundrum - Francie Toner
Mitchels -
Dromara -
St Pauls -
Bright -
Teconnaught - DJ Morgan
St Michaels -
Aghaderg -
Aughlisnafin - Emmett Devlin
Ballykinlar -
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 16, 2012, 10:38:09 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 16, 2012, 10:33:40 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 16, 2012, 10:19:01 PM
2012 Managers

Division 1

Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Mayobridge - Francie Poland with Stephen Poucher as trainer
Burren - Frank Dawson
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Clonduff - Paul McShane and Tony Wilson
Saval - Pj Magee
Longstone - Gregory McCartan
Castlewellan - Liam Hardy
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth


Division 2

An Riocht -
Rostrevor -
Liatroim -
Loughinisland - Bundy Mason
Shamrocks -
Kilclief - Kevin Blaney
Annaclone - Johnny Mc Comiskey
Warrenpoint - Conor Tinnelly
Clann na Banna -
Carryduff -


Division 3

Ballymartin - Eamon Burns
Drumgath -
Tullylish - Keith Farell
Darragh Cross - Pat McMahon
Bosco - Raymond Tumelty
Glasdrumman -
Glenn -
Atticall -
Ardglass - Collie Savage
St Johns -
Saul - Cathal Murray
Drumaness - Coke Laverty


Division 4

Bredagh - Michael O'Callaghan
Dundrum - Francie Toner
Mitchels -
Dromara -
St Pauls -
Bright -
Teconnaught - DJ Morgan
St Michaels -
Aghaderg -
Aughlisnafin - Emmett Devlin
Ballykinlar -
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 16, 2012, 11:18:23 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on January 16, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
If we finish top (which is likely) we will play the Sunday semi-final this weekend - Sun 22nd January, probably at 2pm. The venue I do not know about. if it is Derry then I am guessing they will play it neutral at Omagh.
If it is Derry i think it would more than likely be Casement i hope
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on January 17, 2012, 08:17:01 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 16, 2012, 10:19:01 PM
2012 Managers

Division 1

Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Mayobridge - Francie Poland with Stephen Poucher as trainer
Burren - Frank Dawson
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Clonduff - Paul McShane and Tony Wilson
Saval - PJ Magee
Longstone - Greg McCartan
Castlewellan - Liam Hardy
Downpatrick - Kyran Smyth


Division 2

An Riocht - Eamonn O'Rourke & Brendan Morgan
Rostrevor - Gerard Colgan
Liatroim - Jarlath Austin
Loughinisland - Bundy Mason with John Morgan as trainer
Shamrocks - Mickey Linden
Kilclief - Kevin Blaney
Annaclone - Johnny McCumiskey
Warrenpoint - Conor Tinnelly
Clann na Banna -
Carryduff -


Division 3

Ballymartin - Eamon Burns
Drumgath -
Tullylish -
Darragh Cross - Pat McMahon
Bosco - Raymond Tumelty
Glasdrumman -
Glenn - John Kennedy & Sean McClorey
Atticall -
Ardglass - Collie Savage
St Johns -
Saul - Cathal Murray
Drumaness - Coke Laverty


Division 4

Bredagh - Michael O'Callaghan
Dundrum - Francie Toner
Mitchels -
Dromara -
St Pauls -
Bright -
Teconnaught - DJ Morgan
St Michaels -
Aghaderg -
Aughlisnafin - Emmett Devlin
Ballykinlar -
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: hayemaker on January 17, 2012, 12:58:30 PM
Anyone know when the league fixtures are out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 18, 2012, 10:05:22 PM
The less said about that the better.  None of the "squad players" stood up and can have no complaints as the season progresses about the lack of game time as that was pathetic.

Time to put as close to the first team as possible against Derry in preparation for the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 18, 2012, 11:10:03 PM

Super Sunday! Both Power NI Dr McKenna Cup Semi Finals will take place on Sunday 22nd January at the Morgan Athletic Grounds, Armagh. The Derry v Down game will take place at 2.00pm and will be followed by Tyrone v Fermanagh at 3.45pm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 19, 2012, 09:37:32 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 18, 2012, 10:05:22 PM
The less said about that the better.  None of the "squad players" stood up and can have no complaints as the season progresses about the lack of game time as that was pathetic.

Time to put as close to the first team as possible against Derry in preparation for the league.

Couldn't agree more with everything you said.

Players were given their chance and acted as if it didn't matter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 19, 2012, 10:06:48 AM
Very disapointed effort last night . Why just let St Marys persist with the short kick outs when we had a spare man standing like an orphan in his own half . At one stage we had 14 men in our own half running about like headless chickens . I know its the time to try the new lads but you would think that they would be fighting like hell to push in . The only one was Niall Mc Parland who covered alot of ground linking with the mid field and tracking back .  18 wides is not good enough and they all werent from new comers . As james said the new lads would get their chance in the Mc Kenna cup and he has done that and to be fair he has tried them all and has come up with a few options
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: its me again on January 19, 2012, 10:24:28 AM
last nites performance was brutal to say the least, but there were 11 changes since sunday

the fact they kicked 20 wides at least shows that chances were being created

thought niall branagan and niall mcparland were best for down, both tried hard in defence and tried to set up runs when the ball broke, thought branagan came out of defence well on 5 or 6 occassions in the first half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 19, 2012, 11:12:08 AM
Was that Donnach O'Higgins from Liatroim that started in midfield last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 19, 2012, 11:39:57 AM
Yes as far as i know Down Fanatic big fella but looked badly of the pace
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 19, 2012, 01:16:31 PM
NP do you have the team list that started?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 19, 2012, 01:45:21 PM
Brendan mc Veigh
Niall Brannigan  Liam Doyle  Kevin Anderson
Niall Mc Parland  Mark Doran  David Mc Kibbon
Ambrose Rodgers  Donnacha o Higgins
Kalum King  Mark Poland  John Mc Areavey
Ciaran Brannigan Arthur Mc Conville Eoin Mc Cartan
subs
Connor Gough for Ambrose
Aidan Brannigan for Liam Doyle
Ryan Brady for Eoin Mc Cartan
Marcus Miskelly for John Mc Areavey
Aidan Carr for Arthur Mc Conville

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 19, 2012, 05:26:44 PM
Wow, when you look at it it is no wonder they were so bad. In fact it was a pointless selection with so many players out of position and not suiting the roles they were playing. Having said that they certainly created enough chances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on January 20, 2012, 11:11:31 PM
team v Derry

Mcallister
Quinn
Gordon
D McCartan
McParland
Doyle
Duffin
Gough
Turley
King
Carr
Poland
Miskelly
E McCartan
Coulter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 21, 2012, 12:41:32 AM
Quote from: knockitdown on January 20, 2012, 11:11:31 PM
team v Derry

Mcallister
Quinn
Gordon
D McCartan
McParland
Doyle
Duffin
Gough
Turley
King
Carr
Poland
Miskelly
E McCartan
Coulter

Who is Quinn? Longstone??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on January 21, 2012, 01:07:49 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 21, 2012, 12:41:32 AM
Quote from: knockitdown on January 20, 2012, 11:11:31 PM
team v Derry

Mcallister
Quinn
Gordon
D McCartan
McParland
Doyle
Duffin
Gough
Turley
King
Carr
Poland
Miskelly
E McCartan
Coulter

Who is Quinn? Longstone??

Keith Quinn. Mayobridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 21, 2012, 01:48:22 AM
excuse my ignorance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 21, 2012, 10:14:44 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 21, 2012, 01:48:22 AM
excuse my ignorance

We've been doing that for a while.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 21, 2012, 02:58:05 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 21, 2012, 10:14:44 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on January 21, 2012, 01:48:22 AM
excuse my ignorance

We've been doing that for a while.  ;)

Smiley face.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on January 22, 2012, 04:00:01 PM
http://louthgaa.ie/index.php/component/content/article/67-latestnewsevents/1038-louth-retain-mcgeough-cup-with-victory-over-down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 22, 2012, 06:14:47 PM
Pretty putred stuff.  Only beaten by 2 points but were more than 2 the worse side imo.

Defence did reasonably well but midfield area was poor and forward line was worse.  Just cause you have 3 big men inside doesnt mean u just hump the ball in which is what we were doing today.  We had a lot of big men around the middle today yet we were destroyed in that area.  Turley, Gordon and Gough were all very poor.

Difficult for young Brannigan to be marking a player like Bradley at such an early stage of his county career but hopefully he can learn from it.  Keith Quinn did well in first half but struggled a bit in 2nd half when Gilligan got a lot ball.  Dan McCartan did reasonable on big 14 in the first half and Bradley in 2nd half and it looks like that is where he will play at the start of the national league.  Felt sorry for Turley, although poor on the ball, he is being asked to do 2 jobs.  He is playing midfield yet when the opposition are on the attack he is picking up the CHF and our CHB is covering.  Very difficult to try and do this and requires a very high level of fitness and a very intelligent player.

My biggest fear is that we are nowhere near knowing what our best team is.  Maybe James knows what is but I dont think any of us know what the team will be or what players will play where in 2 weeks time.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 22, 2012, 06:18:27 PM
In James we trust and Aidan O'Rourke comes well recommended but Down's team selection, tactics and subsitutions were baffling today.While Paddy Bradley is still only half-fit, it is a big ask for a raw, inexperienced player like Niall Brannigan to take on the marking task and there is always a chance that the lad's confidence could be dented-now he wasn't disgraced but he was far from the job and the half-time subsitution was inevitable after about ten minutes.Don't think Dan Gordon knew where he was playing while no team should deploy two players like Kalum King and Eoin Mc Cartan in the same line.Eoin called ashore also at HT but when Danny Hughes eventually came on WTF was he doing at FF ?Peter Turley laboured away in what was a general wipe-out at MF yet he,rather than Conor Gough, gets called in?Aidan Carr showed well in patches, as did Benny, but bad day all round. Worrying that Ambrose and Doyler saw no game-time and King now out for Donegal- at least. We have gone backwards not forwards since Armagh-Monagahan but maybe that was the master-plan ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on January 22, 2012, 07:10:20 PM
Lads please wise up? James and aor won't give 2 fks about McKenna cup! It's about game time and trying things; some people on here are totally melodramatic! Half the squad are in throes of getting fit for a start; expirements are the key so stop panicking!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 22, 2012, 07:59:19 PM
Not a bad thing to be out of Mc Kenna cup . Gives us 2 weeks to re group instead of only a week with also the risk of injuries in a competive game next week . James got 2 competive games this weekend which he will know more of whats going on than all of us . Think P Turley was called ashore today because he was tired maybe mpre so than the others nothing else . I think he put in a good shift today as did A Carr and K Quinn who tried very hard . At least if we learn nothing else from today we now know that Dan is not invincible at mid field as alot of people think he is
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 22, 2012, 08:15:30 PM
Of course James wont care about results at this time of year but what may concern him is the lack of standout players to come out of the McKenna Cup.

Down came up well short last year and a change of coach, Ambrose back and the possibility of Dan coming out the field may help this but also finding a few new players is necessary imo.

From the last few wks only Keith Quinn and possibly Peter Turley are going to make any inroads on the league team imo.  Donal Ohare seems to have impressed for Queens so he make also come into contention but other than that things are thin on the ground.

Anyone willing to put a guess on what the 15 will be for the Donegal game.  Rooney is injured and McKernan isnt back for that game, not sure on the fitness of Garvey at this stage.  McCumisky is also injured I think.  Didnt see much of Lavery this month, is he injured??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 22, 2012, 08:28:50 PM
To be honest, I'm not sure why anyone was expecting a few new faces to jump up from the McKenna Cup. The Down squad has been right for much of muchness for many years now. I'd have preferred James and co used the McKenna Cup to test out a few squad players with the first team, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2012, 08:54:35 PM
We should probably not get any more exercised about the poor finish to the McKenna Cup campaign than the promising start, but it was still a lacklustre display today. Hardly anyone stood out and there was a general lack of shape and spirit. At the same time, many of the squad were involved in a competitive friendly against Louth last night and James may not have really wanted to get to the McKenna final.

The most disappointing aspect was the indiscipline from KK in injury time which will cost him at least one NFL game at a time when he was starting to look like a real option on the square. Most of the problems were at the other end and presumably big Dan, who was out of sorts in the middle, will revert to no 3 for Donegal.

Quinn has looked a decent option at the back, and Carr has probably played himself in a starting slot for the league, but there was not much else happening today and two points from play - the second on the final whistle - tells its own story. The highlight was probably the spat between James and John Brennan, who is not exactly maturing with age, and the entire outing is probably best forgotten
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 22, 2012, 08:59:59 PM
Did u really think the full back line was that bad, if we conceded 11 points every game id be happy to take my chances with that.

I thought the problems were further out the field with a lack of primary posession won and very poor balls going into the inside line. 

What was the spat about, I was at the other end of the stand?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 22, 2012, 09:03:19 PM
What did Kalum do i didnt see it ? Silly action when he seemed to be going well in good shape also . How long will he get?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 22, 2012, 09:06:59 PM
He kicked a lad, reacted but deserved to go.  Will be a miss as useful option up front and around the middle although he didnt get much change out of the FB today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 22, 2012, 10:57:31 PM
King was totally stupid in his actions today.  there are too many eyes out there now with linesmen and umpires working with the referee.  But he deserved all he got for such a stupid action.  There is no place for that in football.  And if it goes by the book and he is cited for striking with the boot - he will prob get 3 months. A totally inept performance today.  Those of you saying we prob didnt want to get into the final - bollox - of course we wanted our place in it.  Its another game and useful opposition in Tyrone - but we werent good enough.  Dan was cleaned out today and more worringly looked scared when that brut Joe Diver came close to him.  Benny needs to stay closer to the goals as when he came out and tried to tackle and stay involved - he looked really tired and dare i say it - old.  |Stay where you can do the damage benny.  Gough was poor, King was poor and that ploy of Turley dropping off and picking up the chf so that duffin could roam free is old in fairness.  Derry were very patient with the ball and didnt just hump it in where down had the spare man.  they had slow build up at times but when the man was available - he got a real accurate pass and they had a successful return from all their shots.  I thought Keith Quinn did reasonable - his man was involved a good bit but i thought Quinn was decent.  We have lots to do before Donegal arrive - but it should be an easy two points as they have no Murphy nor Mc Fadden - so they have noone to kick it into this year!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2012, 11:39:05 PM
Our selection and tactics today did not suggest that we were overly concerned about the result, and we would hardly have agreed to a friendly against Louth the previous night if we really wanted to get to a McKenna Cup final. We did not play well by any standards, but the Donegal game is a huge one and it always needed to be the priority.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on January 23, 2012, 08:49:39 PM
Personally I feel that we will have some task on our hands to maintain Div 1 status this year by what I have seen from last years championship and our McKenna Cup games. Our only real hope of an "easy or easier" victory will be against Donegal at home. It eats me to say this but I am being quite realistsic. To get any points against Kerry, Dublin, Cork..etc is going to be difficult and if we are struggling in Div 1, I pray this does not carry through to the summer in the Ulster championship where "Peter the great" is doing great things with Fermanagh already.  :-[

James really needs to put Dan out round the middle. Simple. He is so unhappy playing his role at full back and I feel for the lad as he is an exceptional fielder and playmaker of the ball. Although we have not found a solution to full back, I feel Dan McCartan (with support) could be our best option thus far. It would be more beneficial to the team as a whole with the likes of Ambrose, Dan, Gough and King out round the middle winning primary possession. I know I may sound abit strong from myself but I firmly believe it is our only option for more points in Div 1.

Not sure what has happend to Laverty and even McComisky through the McKenna Cup Period?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 23, 2012, 10:05:00 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on January 23, 2012, 08:49:39 PM
Personally I feel that we will have some task on our hands to maintain Div 1 status this year by what I have seen from last years championship and our McKenna Cup games. Our only real hope of an "easy or easier" victory will be against Donegal at home. It eats me to say this but I am being quite realistsic. To get any points against Kerry, Dublin, Cork..etc is going to be difficult and if we are struggling in Div 1, I pray this does not carry through to the summer in the Ulster championship where "Peter the great" is doing great things with Fermanagh already.  :-[

James really needs to put Dan out round the middle. Simple. He is so unhappy playing his role at full back and I feel for the lad as he is an exceptional fielder and playmaker of the ball. Although we have not found a solution to full back, I feel Dan McCartan (with support) could be our best option thus far. It would be more beneficial to the team as a whole with the likes of Ambrose, Dan, Gough and King out round the middle winning primary possession. I know I may sound abit strong from myself but I firmly believe it is our only option for more points in Div 1.

Not sure what has happend to Laverty and even McComisky through the McKenna Cup Period?

Put dan out round the middle - are you serious?? He got completley cleaned out of it yesterday.  He is unhappy in FB - think how the other lads on the panel feel who arent on the starting team.  If dan dont want full back - where he is playing damn well - then sit on bench for while and see how he likes that.... Dan was truly found out yesterday when Joe Diver scared the life outa him.  Gough needs to find his feet too - he was outta his depth yesterday and in other games too.  He had 4 or 5 good catches against armagh and now all of a sudden he is the next great thing.. It takes a while for a midfielder to be created... King was stupid yesterday as it now leaves us with little cover for midfield in early parts of the league... We will get points against Donegal, Laois and Armagh -that will keep us in the division for another year at least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 23, 2012, 10:06:11 PM
Dan McCartan is a fine corner back but he is not big enough for no 3. He played there against Ronan Clarke in the Ulster semi of 2008 and it simply did not work. Indeed, over a period of several seasons, and regardless of who was at full back, we were extremely vulnerable to a basic thump down the middle and lost games we should have won as a result.

It was only when big Dan was switched there that we started to look in any way confident in defence. There's no doubt that he is a better midfielder than a full back, but we have options in the former position through the likes of Turley, Gough, Ambrose and King. We have so far been unable to find an alternative on the edge of the square, so the entire debate is a bit academic at the moment.

McComiskey has apparently been injured but with luck should be back shortly, while Laverty is very much in the squad and a likely starter with Benny in a two-man full forward line against Donegal. If we get both points that night, a decent division one campaign is quite possible. Anything less will be a big problem for us, so hopefully the McKenna displays against Armagh and Monaghan will be a reasonable indication of where we are heading. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 23, 2012, 10:08:33 PM
Conor Laverty has a broken hand while apparently McComiskey has a back problem!! Ive said it before I really think we will struggle this year. We have not unearthed a player as good as the ten or so that are gone from last year. Yesterday was brutal stuff, our players are obsessed wit hand passing. Aidan Carr was the pick of Wat was on show and should remain at 11 for the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 23, 2012, 11:16:13 PM
With the experimentation and that all over after the McKenna Cup, who realistically will make an impact on the panel come Championship time?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 23, 2012, 11:41:00 PM
I thought the 2 Turley brothers did very well as did Keith Quinn . A Carr relly staked a claim for a starting place . Gough and Niall Mc Parland are young but i would be confident that they will come good in the future . Timmy Hanna , Owen Costello and Donal o Hare had good campaigns for Queens so dont hope its not as bad as we are all thinking Hopefully
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 24, 2012, 12:11:41 AM
Lets face facts, the outlook is bad, we have a weak panel, who will undoubtedly do their best, but we all can see they are just not good enough, a few talented individuals will not a team make
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 24, 2012, 12:35:32 AM
Fresh after Saturday night's sellout, Dundrum GAC are putting on the hit comedy Don't Tell the Wife for a second showing on Friday night.

The venue is the Parochial Hall behind the Chapel.

Entry is £5, payable at the door. Doors open 7.15pm and curtain up is 8pm. Raffle and refreshments.

Please come early to make sure of getting a seat!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 24, 2012, 02:01:44 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 24, 2012, 12:11:41 AM
Lets face facts, the outlook is bad, we have a weak panel, who will undoubtedly do their best, but we all can see they are just not good enough, a few talented individuals will not a team make

We have as good a panel as any county in Ulster but we seem to have bought into the Armagh-Tyrone dictat of possession and defence.
Negativity is not our game.
We are a footballing county.
Play to your strengths was always the motto I believed in, not somebody else's notion of gaelic football. I thought wee James would have been the last person to buy into thhis bastarised version of football but there is no accounting for a universirty "education".
Ulster football is in thrall to the UUJ-led mantra that produces the sh**te spectacle of so-called football that has been embraced from McGeeney to McGuinness and all in between - and nobody has the ba** s to say quit.
The last refuge would have been Down - especislly with a McCartan  at the helm-  but  a false dawn it has been.
I do hope I am as wrong as the replies will no doubt point out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 24, 2012, 02:14:06 AM
Totally agree Leo,was going to express simialar sentiments, but did not too be accused of heresy, i predict that a team who plays six forwards with none dropping back to cram an already over-crammed MF, will win the AI. this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 24, 2012, 02:30:51 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 24, 2012, 02:14:06 AM
Totally agree Leo,was going to express simialar sentiments, but did not too be accused of heresy, i predict that a team who plays six forwards with none dropping back to cram an already over-crammed MF, will win the AI. this year
Ah, redemption!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 24, 2012, 09:28:31 AM
Name a team in Ireland that plays six forwards with none dropping back !. I cant stand all the men back and then when we turn the ball over there is no outlet to get it to . I noticed that 3 to 4 Down men run to the man on the ball which leaves at least 2 spare men . The probelm is that Down dont seen to really know what they are doing . There is times when 5 or 6 go to the man on the ball because they dont know whether to go or stay . We played Duffin as a sweeper in front of our fullback on sunday yet Paddy Bradely still won every ball that went into him and he was only half fit imagine what he would do if he had more game time . Gone are the days of man to man marking . 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on January 24, 2012, 01:32:19 PM
A lot of Doom and Gloom around and we havent kicked a competitive ball yet. Think someone previously said, its the Mc Kenna cup, who cares???  ::)

As for the comments about negative football and not the "Down Way"  ::) , wake up and smell the coffee those days are gone, the game has changed and we have two men in charge who are renowned for playing in a defensive manner. So get used to it or dont pay your money to watch it, Simple!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 24, 2012, 01:33:33 PM
Anybody who thinks any of the top teams of note play with 6 on 6 is living in a timewarp.  Kerry dont, Cork dont, Dublin dont, Tyrone dont, Kildare dont, Donegal dont.

Micko stuck to his guns down in Wiclow, fair play to him but the are in division 4 and make little or no impression in the all ireland series.  We played 6 on 6 under POR and it got us far!!!!

I dont like the way football is being played as much as anyone else but that is the way it is going and we are going to have to go along with it if we are going to have any chance of success. 

I dont feel we should be above adopting to current footballing philosophy if a county like Kerry think they need to adapt to the here and now and are not too proud not to do so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 24, 2012, 11:28:59 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on January 24, 2012, 01:32:19 PM
A lot of Doom and Gloom around and we havent kicked a competitive ball yet. Think someone previously said, its the Mc Kenna cup, who cares???  ::)

As for the comments about negative football and not the "Down Way"  ::) , wake up and smell the coffee those days are gone, the game has changed and we have two men in charge who are renowned for playing in a defensive manner. So get used to it or dont pay your money to watch it, Simple!!

Maybe you are right but as we showed against Derry & St Mary's (and all the way back to that disastrous game in Sligo many moons ago) we can't f**king play that bastarised game.
Play the game we CAN play and let it take us as far as it will.
At least we might enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 25, 2012, 01:09:18 PM
I see on the Hoganstand web site that Anton Mc Ardle didnt get his suspension over turned . He will miss the entire National League
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on January 25, 2012, 02:47:11 PM
Bit silly that NP76, I've just read it myself. The club should have known not to play him, and he should have known himself. They cant complain about it imo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 25, 2012, 03:34:23 PM
Back page of Irish News today too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 25, 2012, 03:37:18 PM
No excuses...he was suspended...he played while he was suspended...black & white...surprised at the Burren Management etc taking a chance like this
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 25, 2012, 04:14:55 PM
While some people might well have thought that senior suspensions did not apply at underage level, the club should have checked and double checked before taking any chances. However, the penalty handed down to McArdle is extreme. He will be unavailable for the Sigerson, the entire National League, most if not all of our championship campaign and quite possibly the opening rounds of the county championship, all for a technical offence involving a brief appearance as a sub. Kallum King got a red card for kicking an opponent last Sunday and will probably miss no more than a couple of games. Any mercy committee should take into account McArdle's age and consider an alternative punishment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 25, 2012, 04:44:55 PM
Considering that Burren is top-heavy with GAA "officials" of great experience (or at least longevity) they have seved this lad poorly; not his fault at all and if there is any way he can be reprieved then the club should be hit with a heavy fine instead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 25, 2012, 05:00:56 PM
Mourne Rover  Anton got a month just like we hope Kalum gets . It was the fact that he didnt adhere to the month that this probelm arose . Just because he is young should he have a different disiplinery process to anyone else . The Burren club has alot to answer to in its decision to let the lad play . Anton is not totally innocent in this he has been playing football along time ,going to a large university with a major football element in it and i would think he has alot of football friends surely he could of taken advice from some one of them . Its like getting a 2nd opinion from a doctor at the end of the day its for his benefit also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: blueannavy on January 25, 2012, 05:48:49 PM
What date will his suspension be up ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 25, 2012, 06:07:35 PM
McArdle got a run-out for the last ten minutes of an u21 game which Burren were winning comfortably, after he was wrongly told by his club officials that his senior suspension did not apply to underage matches. It would appear to have been a genuine mistake on the part of a 20-year-old and a financial penalty for the club would be more appropriate than a six-month ban for a young player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 25, 2012, 07:17:33 PM
I know its not good to see a young up and coming lad out of football for that long but surely 1 phone call to Danny Murphy would of cleared up any queries would it not .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: conormac on January 25, 2012, 08:02:46 PM
Dont panic folks burren can usually do whatever the hell they like and come out the other side smelling of roses
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 25, 2012, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on January 25, 2012, 07:17:33 PM
I know its not good to see a young up and coming lad out of football for that long but surely 1 phone call to Danny Murphy would of cleared up any queries would it not .

Would you really expect a young fella after being told by a senior club official that it is alright to play to say hold on, im not sure about this, let me phone Danny Murphy first to check?

This is the club and officials within the clubs fault 100%.

I dont think this will be the end of it either. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 25, 2012, 08:25:32 PM
i know its the clubs fault just was probaly an over sight by someone but they obvivously thought there was a query as someone obvivously asked the question was he allowed to play . For a club with a man of Dannys knowledge on board was he not the one to ask and then you would of been right
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 25, 2012, 08:32:53 PM
Anton was sent off for striking. I feel sorry for the lad for getting 6 months, but both he and his club should have had more sense than to allow him inside the wire for an under 21 game. The fact that he didn't start the match would raise suspicions for me that Burren's mentors didn't know if he was eligible or not. Why they then put him on in a nothing game is completely mad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 25, 2012, 08:41:12 PM
Something stinks here. The normal punishment for this offence is the suspension of Club Chairman, Secretary and first fifteen players. Why have no officials even been called to account. Anton has been scapegoated, but for what reason. This case must be referred to Croke Park, where perhaps there will be more transparency
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: onefaircounty on January 25, 2012, 08:42:27 PM
The negativity in this thread is laughable, and that's from an Armagh man. Ye have the making of an excellent panel with a bit of tweaking.

However, as an Armagh man, may I justshow my support to those saying you should go to 6-2-6.  :P

Feel sorry for Anton McArdle, genuine mistake, not his fault - six months out at an age were he would be developing. Pity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblack4ever on January 25, 2012, 09:25:22 PM
Re: Anton McArdle

How stupid could the Burren club be letting a suspended player play. I'm a Yank born and bred and even I know that when you're suspended from the GAA it means at all codes and levels.  ??? ??? ???

Mrs. redandblack4ever
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 26, 2012, 11:24:58 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 25, 2012, 08:41:12 PM
Something stinks here. The normal punishment for this offence is the suspension of Club Chairman, Secretary and first fifteen players. Why have no officials even been called to account. Anton has been scapegoated, but for what reason. This case must be referred to Croke Park, where perhaps there will be more transparency

I'd a good laugh at that one.

We'd a lad sent off in a minor game, straight red card, not sure what the ref put him down for, but the Chairman rang the office in Castlewellan to see if he was eligible for an adult game and was told that yes it was as the referee's report had him down for some category or other incident and he'd be OK.
The lad played in an adult game the following night and low and behold a few days later the club received an email from the disciplinary committee saying that he shouldn't be playing adult fixtures until his suspension was up. The Chairman panicked and rang the office where they admitted their mistake and nothing would come of it providing the club he played against didn't object. I'd say the team he played against hadn't a clue, but I always wondered what would have happened if they did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 26, 2012, 01:10:33 PM
Quote from: redandblack4ever on January 25, 2012, 09:25:22 PM
Re: Anton McArdle

How stupid could the Burren club be letting a suspended player play. I'm a Yank born and bred and even I know that when you're suspended from the GAA it means at all codes and levels.  ??? ??? ???

Mrs. redandblack4ever

Dont think you are correct on this.

There is a ruling regarding underage not counting at senior level as far as I am aware.  I think where Burren got it wrong is that they thought Under 21 counted as underage when it is actually seen as senior.

Maybe someone with more knowledge on the issue than me can clarify this??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on January 26, 2012, 02:23:52 PM
Why does his age matter?? Just because he's 20 they should say, na you're alright, run along ye little scamp.. As if. Player suspended, played while suspended, further suspension, black and white. It's a non-debate. Who mentioned Croke Park getting involved? Dont make me laugh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 26, 2012, 03:35:14 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 26, 2012, 01:10:33 PM
Quote from: redandblack4ever on January 25, 2012, 09:25:22 PM
Re: Anton McArdle

How stupid could the Burren club be letting a suspended player play. I'm a Yank born and bred and even I know that when you're suspended from the GAA it means at all codes and levels.  ??? ??? ???

Mrs. redandblack4ever

Dont think you are correct on this.

There is a ruling regarding underage not counting at senior level as far as I am aware.  I think where Burren got it wrong is that they thought Under 21 counted as underage when it is actually seen as senior.

Maybe someone with more knowledge on the issue than me can clarify this??

Always thought of underage as up to minor level myself.

Surprised that Burren didn't do some sort of checking up with officialdom in Down before naming the lad on the teamsheet which in theory would have been enough to suspend him irrespective if he'd come on or not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgaa88 on January 26, 2012, 06:43:53 PM
Anybody heard much about this years minor panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 27, 2012, 07:05:58 AM
i know of two players that got straight red in senior club match, suspended for seniors but allowed to play for seconds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on January 29, 2012, 12:53:39 PM
The Down Senior panel was cut last night with approximately 15 players getting the chop. Mark Doran was cut of it, so he will be disappointed as he's been on the fringes for the last number of years. Down are playing Crossmaglen In a challenge game today in Mayobridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 29, 2012, 01:22:29 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on January 29, 2012, 12:53:39 PM
The Down Senior panel was cut last night with approximately 15 players getting the chop. Mark Doran was cut of it, so he will be disappointed as he's been on the fringes for the last number of years. Down are playing Crossmaglen In a challenge game today in Mayobridge.

how many left? you know who remains?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Marshes on January 29, 2012, 05:38:57 PM
What's the Down U21 panel like this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 29, 2012, 07:27:48 PM
Result from friendly in Mayobridge

Down 2-13 Crossmaglen 1-9

Played in terrible conditions it provided both sides with a useful workout. Liam Doyle was Downs top performer while Aidan Carr, Conor Laverty and Arthur McConnville also performed admirably.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 29, 2012, 08:17:39 PM
Was out at the game myself an awful night for football but both teams put in a good shift . Thought Carr P Turley  and big Arthur did well Doyle was outstanding . Costello and Hanna did very good in the 1st half  from what i hear didnt see it all . Thought Ambrose looked way of the pace even his decision making was poor maybe the weather had alot to do with it . Looks like Daniel mc Cartan is going to be full back played there again tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 29, 2012, 08:35:29 PM
That's the best result for Down since beating Armagh in the league last year!Which shows the respect I have for Cross. Delighted that Doyler is fit and good to have the other lads coming in.
I think we can approach Donegal in a good frame of mind and we need to be up for it as they will be. The Newry factor will be important but we will need a big performance.Sounds like Dan Mc Cartan will start at 3 and there are a few options either side of him.Again,Doyle should anchor CHB with some 'new' faces beside him. If Ambrose is still off the pace the MF may beTurley and Gough unless Dan is there from the start. Aidan Carr at 11, with Danny one side and Poland the other are the likely men in HF line while the FF line should probably be Benny, Laverty and Miskelly.
My 15 would be ;Mc Veigh,Costello,Mc Cartan, A Brannigan,Hanna, Doyle,Quinn, Turley and Gordon, Hughes, Carr, Poland, Laverty, Coulter, Miskelly.
Doubt if James will pick this team but whatever it takes to get two points on Saturday night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 29, 2012, 09:14:39 PM
Anyone able to put the team up from today??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 29, 2012, 10:09:46 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 29, 2012, 09:14:39 PM
Anyone able to put the team up from today??
Mcveigh, D turley, mccartan, Costello, Hanna, Doyler, A Brannigan, P Turley, Rogers, Hughes, Carr, gough, miskelly, McConnville and Laverty.
Subs used: N Brannigan, M Poland, K Anderson and C Brannigan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 29, 2012, 10:11:30 PM
whiteGM. Do you know the fitness status of your  clubmates G McCartan, McKernan, and Rooney? Also what about Garvey?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on January 29, 2012, 10:14:27 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 29, 2012, 07:27:48 PM
Result from friendly in Mayobridge

Down 2-13 Crossmaglen 1-9

Played in terrible conditions it provided both sides with a useful workout. Liam Doyle was Downs top performer while Aidan Carr, Conor Laverty and Arthur McConnville also performed admirably.
Any need to segregate the crowd  at all. Maybe Bridge boys could send crowd control report down Tralee way ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 29, 2012, 10:20:55 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on January 29, 2012, 10:11:30 PM
whiteGM. Do you know the fitness status of your  clubmates G McCartan, McKernan, and Rooney? Also what about Garvey?

Mckernan isnt injured, he is in australia, think he back for cork game. Rooney certain to miss at least first 2 matches, garvey unlikely to make first 2 either. Don't no what story is with gerrard mccartan, think he back training anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 30, 2012, 08:46:59 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 29, 2012, 10:09:46 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 29, 2012, 09:14:39 PM
Anyone able to put the team up from today??
Mcveigh, D turley, mccartan, Costello, Hanna, Doyler, A Brannigan, P Turley, Rogers, Hughes, Carr, gough, miskelly, McConnville and Laverty.
Subs used: N Brannigan, M Poland, K Anderson and C Brannigan.

That looks very close to a starting team for Saturday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 30, 2012, 09:18:57 AM
I would imagine Benny, Gordan, Poland and possibly Kieth Quinn or Kevin Duffin will come in from the start on sat.
I'd go with Mcveigh, A Brannigan, D McCartan, D Turley, T Hanna, L Doyle, K Duffin/K Quinn, A Rogers, P Turley, D Hughes, A Carr, D Gordan, M Poland, B Coulter and C Laverty,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 30, 2012, 11:20:06 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 30, 2012, 09:18:57 AM
I would imagine Benny, Gordan, Poland and possibly Kieth Quinn or Kevin Duffin will come in from the start on sat.
I'd go with Mcveigh, A Brannigan, D McCartan, D Turley, T Hanna, L Doyle, K Duffin/K Quinn, A Rogers, P Turley, D Hughes, A Carr, D Gordan, M Poland, B Coulter and C Laverty,

If McKernan is available & fit then I would start him at wing back instead of Hanna, possibly play Hanna instead of Brannigan. And I would swap Ambrose & Gordon as Ambrose is better going forward and it would take some pressure of him in his first league game since 2010.

Having said that perhaps McKernan could start on the bench and come in for Doyler around 50-60 minute mark when he is tiring

Other than that I think the team named is pretty much the only real option at this stage. Gough, McConville, Miskelly and N. Brannigan could all expect to have a shout from the bench at some stage during league matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 30, 2012, 11:21:50 AM
Oh yeah, and thanks WhiteGM for the injury update, Your  knowledge of what's happening at club level is very helpful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 30, 2012, 01:12:15 PM
McKernan isnt back until next wk and it will be the Cork game at the earliest before he sees any game time.

Id say MDG has the team just about right with Quinn getting the nod ahead of Duffen.  That defence wouldnt inspire me but with Murphy and McFadden missing Down need to be targeting a win to have any chance of surviving in this league.

I wonder does James regret dropping Murtagh as if Coulter or Lavery get injured we have no real experienced alternatives at the moment for the full forward line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 30, 2012, 04:42:24 PM
Is throw in 7 or 7.30 on sat night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 31, 2012, 08:42:00 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 27, 2012, 07:05:58 AM
i know of two players that got straight red in senior club match, suspended for seniors but allowed to play for seconds.

The ref must have had a change of heart after the game(s) and changed the straight reds to two yellows.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 31, 2012, 08:52:48 AM
I dont think Murtagh was dropped . He was getting injections into his ankles and had to rest after this . As far as i know he hopes to get back into contention during the year if he feels good
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 31, 2012, 08:42:27 PM
I was told he wasnt asked back on to the panel but maybe thats to let his injury clear up, hope so.

Gerrard McCartan was back playing for UUJ today so he is another much needed defensive option for saturday night.

Il go with

McVeigh
G McCartan
D McCartan
Brannigan
Quinn
Doyle
Hanna
Turley
Rodgers
Hughes
Carr
Gordon
Lavery
Coulter
Poland

Not 100% happy with half back line or full back line for that matter but not much ya can do at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 31, 2012, 09:18:03 PM
Think thats as good as we have on show in the above post but think Costello in the corner for Gerald and maybe Donal O Hare in the forward line thats if they all come through tomorrow nights game with no injuries
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on January 31, 2012, 09:40:10 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on January 31, 2012, 09:18:03 PM
Think thats as good as we have on show in the above post but think Costello in the corner for Gerald and maybe Donal O Hare in the forward line thats if they all come through tomorrow nights game with no injuries

Do you think Costello is a better option in the corner?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 31, 2012, 09:58:15 PM
Not for me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 31, 2012, 10:53:47 PM
Costello reportedly did well on Jamie Clarke in Sunday's friendly and is a serious contender for the Donegal game. The evidence is that Daniel will start at no 3 but he is essentially a corner back. While big Dan would be a safer option at full back, that would probalby mean taking a chance on young Gough at midfield.

Hughes,, Carr, Poland, Benny and Laverty are likely to be in the attack, and Ambrose if fit could join them. A win would be a big result for us, and by all accounts the squad will be well up for it. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 31, 2012, 10:55:01 PM
Did very well the other night against Cross and has been doing it regular for Queens . Still like Gerald but just thought Costello would be a good option
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 31, 2012, 11:38:23 PM
Costello must have come on leaps and bounds in the past few years. He never really stood out at club level from what I seen in the past.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 01, 2012, 11:04:14 AM
I presume the team suggestions above are referring to Aiden Brannignan in defence. If that is so what do people make of some of the other players who were given an opportunity (and I thought did not too bad) in the McKenna cup:

Niall Brannigan
Damian Turley
Niall McParland

Would any of these players be in with a shout?

Also what is the story with Connor McGinn, is he injured?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 01, 2012, 12:09:23 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 31, 2012, 11:38:23 PM
Costello must have come on leaps and bounds in the past few years. He never really stood out at club level from what I seen in the past.
Think some lads are gettin carried away with Costello. He was took off at half time against cross and was second to every ball directed to Jamie Clarke who was living of scraps due to the gale force wind cross played against in the first half. He is a long way off being an inter county defender IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 01, 2012, 12:29:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 01, 2012, 12:09:23 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 31, 2012, 11:38:23 PM
Costello must have come on leaps and bounds in the past few years. He never really stood out at club level from what I seen in the past.
Think some lads are gettin carried away with Costello. He was took off at half time against cross and was second to every ball directed to Jamie Clarke who was living of scraps due to the gale force wind cross played against in the first half. He is a long way off being an inter county defender IMO.

Would of thought that myself. He doesn't really stand out for Bredagh in club football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 01, 2012, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 01, 2012, 12:29:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 01, 2012, 12:09:23 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 31, 2012, 11:38:23 PM
Costello must have come on leaps and bounds in the past few years. He never really stood out at club level from what I seen in the past.
Think some lads are gettin carried away with Costello. He was took off at half time against cross and was second to every ball directed to Jamie Clarke who was living of scraps due to the gale force wind cross played against in the first half. He is a long way off being an inter county defender IMO.



Would of thought that myself. He doesn't really stand out for Bredagh in club football.

Guess who is going to have a stormer against Dundrum then this year.......Good work DF  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 01, 2012, 01:38:37 PM
Does anyone have any idea when the fixture list for the season ahead is released and when the leagues are due to start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 01, 2012, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on February 01, 2012, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 01, 2012, 12:29:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 01, 2012, 12:09:23 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 31, 2012, 11:38:23 PM
Costello must have come on leaps and bounds in the past few years. He never really stood out at club level from what I seen in the past.
Think some lads are gettin carried away with Costello. He was took off at half time against cross and was second to every ball directed to Jamie Clarke who was living of scraps due to the gale force wind cross played against in the first half. He is a long way off being an inter county defender IMO.



Would of thought that myself. He doesn't really stand out for Bredagh in club football.

Guess who is going to have a stormer against Dundrum then this year.......Good work DF  :P

We will be lucky if we get within 15 points of Bredagh this year. They will absolutely obliterate everyone in Division 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 01, 2012, 01:53:49 PM
Quote from: ardtole on February 01, 2012, 01:38:37 PM
Does anyone have any idea when the fixture list for the season ahead is released and when the leagues are due to start.

Heard something about div 4 starting end of March, but will be taking that with a pinch of salt until official confirmation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 01, 2012, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 01, 2012, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on February 01, 2012, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 01, 2012, 12:29:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 01, 2012, 12:09:23 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 31, 2012, 11:38:23 PM
Costello must have come on leaps and bounds in the past few years. He never really stood out at club level from what I seen in the past.
Think some lads are gettin carried away with Costello. He was took off at half time against cross and was second to every ball directed to Jamie Clarke who was living of scraps due to the gale force wind cross played against in the first half. He is a long way off being an inter county defender IMO.



Would of thought that myself. He doesn't really stand out for Bredagh in club football.

Guess who is going to have a stormer against Dundrum then this year.......Good work DF  :P

We will be lucky if we get within 15 points of Bredagh this year. They will absolutely obliterate everyone in Division 4.
I will be happy to get promoted
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 01, 2012, 05:21:01 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on February 01, 2012, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 01, 2012, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on February 01, 2012, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 01, 2012, 12:29:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 01, 2012, 12:09:23 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 31, 2012, 11:38:23 PM
Costello must have come on leaps and bounds in the past few years. He never really stood out at club level from what I seen in the past.
Think some lads are gettin carried away with Costello. He was took off at half time against cross and was second to every ball directed to Jamie Clarke who was living of scraps due to the gale force wind cross played against in the first half. He is a long way off being an inter county defender IMO.



Would of thought that myself. He doesn't really stand out for Bredagh in club football.U

Guess who is going to have a stormer against Dundrum then this year.......Good work DF  :P

We will be lucky if we get within 15 points of Bredagh this year. They will absolutely obliterate everyone in Division 4.
I will be happy to get promoted

Ditto
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: onefaircounty on February 01, 2012, 07:35:09 PM
Costello is a good, steady defender, i'd say he is worth a look at in the League.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on February 01, 2012, 09:38:24 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 01, 2012, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on February 01, 2012, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 01, 2012, 12:29:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 01, 2012, 12:09:23 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 31, 2012, 11:38:23 PM
Costello must have come on leaps and bounds in the past few years. He never really stood out at club level from what I seen in the past.
Think some lads are gettin carried away with Costello. He was took off at half time against cross and was second to every ball directed to Jamie Clarke who was living of scraps due to the gale force wind cross played against in the first half. He is a long way off being an inter county defender IMO.



Would of thought that myself. He doesn't really stand out for Bredagh in club football.

Guess who is going to have a stormer against Dundrum then this year.......Good work DF  :P

We will be lucky if we get within 15 points of Bredagh this year. They will absolutely obliterate everyone in Division 4.

Ah the mind games have begun already in the minefield that is Div 4.

Hearing myself that leagues 3 and 4 may start earlier this year but nothing confirmed yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 01, 2012, 10:21:20 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 01, 2012, 11:04:14 AM
I presume the team suggestions above are referring to Aiden Brannignan in defence. If that is so what do people make of some of the other players who were given an opportunity (and I thought did not too bad) in the McKenna cup:

Niall Brannigan - Not ReadyDamian Turley - MaybeNiall McParland - Not Ready
Would any of these players be in with a shout?

Also what is the story with Connor McGinn, is he injured?

McGinn due back from injury in March I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: regulator on February 01, 2012, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on February 01, 2012, 09:38:24 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 01, 2012, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on February 01, 2012, 01:20:25 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 01, 2012, 12:29:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 01, 2012, 12:09:23 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 31, 2012, 11:38:23 PM
Costello must have come on leaps and bounds in the past few years. He never really stood out at club level from what I seen in the past.
Think some lads are gettin carried away with Costello. He was took off at half time against cross and was second to every ball directed to Jamie Clarke who was living of scraps due to the gale force wind cross played against in the first half. He is a long way off being an inter county defender IMO.



Would of thought that myself. He doesn't really stand out for Bredagh in club football.

Guess who is going to have a stormer against Dundrum then this year.......Good work DF  :P

We will be lucky if we get within 15 points of Bredagh this year. They will absolutely obliterate everyone in Division 4.

Ah the mind games have begun already in the minefield that is Div 4.

Hearing myself that leagues 3 and 4 may start earlier this year but nothing confirmed yet.

Think Costello came off at half time against Cross because of the Sigerson match that was on tonite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 01, 2012, 11:03:20 PM
NP or anyone else at the match, how did the down boys go for queens tonight ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on February 02, 2012, 07:17:58 PM
Was at the match last night WGM . Queens had their chances but Maynooth a better team effort by every single player won out in the end . Costello did a good marking job on one of their top forwards but didnt venture to far forward . Timmy Hanna did very well in the first half up and down the field and seemed to be involved in all of Queens attacks but did tire badly in the 2nd half . Donal O Hare tried hard but missed 2 goal chances which he could of done better with . He missed a couple of frees at the end but they werent that handy to be honest . He also shipped a very heavy knock on an already sore shoulder . Jamie o Reily was non existint i was very dissapointed in him . Sorry for the delay in getting a reply to you WGM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 04, 2012, 12:17:33 PM
1    Brendan McVeigh
2    Owen Costello
3    Daniel McCartan
4    Keith Quinn
5    Aiden Branigan
6    Liam Doyle
7    Niall McParland
8    Peter Turley
9    Timmy Hanna
10    Daniel Hughes
11    Aidan Carr
12    Dan Gordan
13    Marcus Miskelly
14    Conor Laverty
15    Brendan Coulter


Team to face Donegal. taken from the Down site
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 04, 2012, 04:37:14 PM
Our first league game is always important but the fact that we only have two more home matches in division one - against Kerry and Dublin - means it is more or less essential that we get something from tonight's fixture.

James has shown a fair amount of imagination with his selection, given the number of absentees, but it is not ideal that he has three league debuts in the defence alongside Daniel, who is out of position at full back, Brannigan, who has not always convinced at this level, and Doyle, who has only played a handful of games over the last five years due to injury. However, the three new boys are all decent prospects and the entire defence may be marking space rather than opponents for much of the evening.

Hanna can be expected to provide the extra defender, and, while it is great to see big Dan back in the middle, the question is how long he will be able to stay there.

Presumably Benny will roam to leave a full forward line of Laverty and Miskelly which has more pace than size, and we will probably rely heavily on Hughes and Carr to keep us going. There are also a few decent options on the bench, so hopefully, with our record under the Newry lights, we can edge a win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 04, 2012, 05:29:54 PM
Think you have it right MR and Hanna will provide cover behind the midfield of Turley & Gordon. I'd rather see Benny hovvering around the square than falling deep to look for the ball; expect to see a lot of carrying from Hughes tonight. And yes, the defence is emerging as a space-marking unit rather than man-marking so Dan's frailities less likley to be exposed - at least until we meet the likes of Dublin or Kerry.
Two points essential tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 05, 2012, 06:51:31 PM
Vital 2 points gained last night against a Donegal team who struggled without Murphy and McFaddan. Considering we where without many of last years side we can be happy to get the win. The defensive nature of the football may have been hard on the eye but it was always going to be difficult for our forwards to make an impact against a packed defence. For Down I thought Liam Doyle was superb, just hoping he stays injury fee. Peter Turley had a steady game in midfield, great work rate from the RGU player. Laverty had another great game While Brannigan had one of his better games for Down. Our defence will get greater tests in this division, while I think we could do with a couple of stronger men up front, stil require Murtagh inside, stil a much better option than Brady or Miskelly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 05, 2012, 08:56:16 PM
Agree with most of this, Doyle was a class act, Turley had a horse of a game, got through some work and was surprisingly good on the ball and Lavery worked himself into the ground.  Brannigan, although took his points very well seemed to end up the spare man which is not idea in the opposition half.

Positives - Doyle, Turley and Lavery.  I can see what we are trying to do with the deep lying playmaker but I just fear if  oppostion played 6 on 6 and Doyle came up against a fast player like the Dublin 11 last night.

Also good to see Garvey and G McCartan back.

Negatives - Benny didnt have a great outing, lets hope it was a one off as we look toothless in attack without him. 

Dan was crowded out at midfield and if any other opposition looks at last night thats exactly the tactics they will use on him.  His lack of raw aggression ala Ambrose is always going to hold him back when up against this type of tactic.

Ambrose looked a mile off the pace when he came on which is understandable but we could do with him coming good sooner rather than later.

Keith Quinn did alright but is raw and like a few of our boys is always on the edge, I like his aggression though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 05, 2012, 09:31:44 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on February 05, 2012, 08:56:16 PM
Agree with most of this, Doyle was a class act, Turley had a horse of a game, got through some work and was surprisingly good on the ball and Lavery worked himself into the ground.  Brannigan, although took his points very well seemed to end up the spare man which is not idea in the opposition half.

Positives - Doyle, Turley and Lavery.  I can see what we are trying to do with the deep lying playmaker but I just fear if  oppostion played 6 on 6 and Doyle came up against a fast player like the Dublin 11 last night.

Also good to see Garvey and G McCartan back.

Negatives - Benny didnt have a great outing, lets hope it was a one off as we look toothless in attack without him. 

Dan was crowded out at midfield and if any other opposition looks at last night thats exactly the tactics they will use on him.  His lack of raw aggression ala Ambrose is always going to hold him back when up against this type of tactic.

Ambrose looked a mile off the pace when he came on which is understandable but we could do with him coming good sooner rather than later.

Keith Quinn did alright but is raw and like a few of our boys is always on the edge, I like his aggression though.

Agree with most of this although I thought G McCartan, Carr & Poland were anonymous. Turley got better as the game went on and we caught on to Donegal's ploy of crowding Gordon - when Dan did escape the marking he was a positive influence going forward. Quinn got better as the game went on. Big questions exist over Ambrose - no impact when he came on and maybe he will be no more than a peripheral player this year. On the other hand we won a game where we really needed Hughes  - and Doyle was massive.
With McKerena (Maybe at wing back) Kalum (FF) and Maginn (definitely CHF) to come back  - plus Hughes and hopefully Garvey at full tilt, we can believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 05, 2012, 09:48:42 PM
Agree G McCartan was quiet but so was his man which I would be happy enough with.  Carr was disappointing but was on a great player, Poland was quiet and has been since he came back, how long does rustiness last?!?

If we are to play Doyle CHB, which going by last nigts performance we should then I think 2 defensive minded wing backs are a must.  This to me is Rooney and Garvey, or even Quinn if he keeps improving, but def not McKernan.  IMO if we have Doyle and McKernan in the same half back line we are asking for trouble.

Maybe McKernan could play the Poland role of the last few years, playing at 15 and roaming out the field.  He has the necessary qualities for it and would win more breaking ball than Poland imo.  We cant play Poland, Carr and McGinn in the same forward line imo, all lovely footballers but in an era of big strong athletes, we wont get away with it.

Someone beside Benny is also an issue, King is an option for 20 mins but it becomes one-dimensional and predictable.  Lavery, Brady and Donal Ohare are similar types of players and again you would probably only get away with one of them if that.

Just as many questions as answers last night..................
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 05, 2012, 10:03:21 PM
"We cant play Poland, Carr and McGinn in the same forward line "

Agree entirley - so I'd take Maginn.

I don't agree that we can't accommodate Dole & McKernan in the half back line - I think McKernan as an attacking wing half back is the best option for him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 05, 2012, 10:22:00 PM
Really good to get the win at a slightly subdued Pairc Esler. You can really see the improvement in defending and while Daniel was second to the ball most times his doggedness did compensate. I thought Costello and Quinn were excellent on their league debuts- both took yellows for the team- and while great to have Garvey back, they are two good options to have.The back 6 did well to deal with a fairly pumped Donegal team who were lucky to finish with 15.
D Turley , G Mc Cartan and Brannigan did what was needed ( the latter's two points were VG) while Doyler's class (when did a Down defender last score 1-4?) was on show for all to see. Peter Turley was a revelation and is a great addition- strong, mobile and skilful. Dan was VG mostly and the loss of Danny was felt in that crucial middle third. I actually thought Carr was good and Laverty ran the show- to get this result without Mc Kernan, King, Hughes, Rooney, Mc Comiskey and Garvey was a confidence booster .Cork didn't look world beaters in Armagh so let's give it a lash by the Lee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 05, 2012, 11:08:57 PM
Thats certainly an optimist view of things anyway DD!!

Any word of what was wrong with Danny last night, could certainly do with him back next wk.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 05, 2012, 11:13:04 PM
We heard he had come down with a cold. Hopefully recovered for Paris Cork.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Marshes on February 05, 2012, 11:18:51 PM
All these match reports suggest to me that Down do not have enough match winners. we play a system depending on the opposition. Hughes, Gordon, Coulter, Turley are great platers but they are not exceptional players. We will never win an all-ireland again until we have exceptional players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 05, 2012, 11:20:10 PM
Right...........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Marshes on February 05, 2012, 11:31:37 PM
I've been there when Down last won national league and last 2 AIs. It will be a while before I see it again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 06, 2012, 12:19:30 AM
Saturday was a tight one, but it has given us quite a boost in difficult circumstances. While our weaknesses were there for all to see, we displayed a team spirit and a sense of confidence which got us over the line against the Ulster champions in a game we realistically had to win in order to at least stay up. Our management deserve considerable credit, but the way we came back after conceding a potentially fatal goal was a tribute to our entire squad.

McVeigh had no chance with their goal but, while his kick-outs were mixed, his experience showed in the closing stages. McCartan is a quality defender but not a full back and every high ball was a problem for us. He gets a nudge in here and a hand in there, and is excellent taking the ball forward, but his lack of height could be critical against a physically big side like Cork the next day.

Costello did well,  making the first pass for our goal and covering behind McCartan with pace, even if he is not the biggest. His yellow card probably prevented a goal but inevitably led to his replacement. Although Quinn had his moments, and is a physical presence,  his tackling will need to improve and he may be better in the half back line.

Doyle, as we know, is a class act, and it was great to see his fitness returning for his burst almost the full length of the pitch for an expertly finishest goal. He is not quite where he can be, but he will hopefully keep improving. Declan Turley started well but faded, while Branigan is an unusual player. He got a point in the first minute, and competed forcefully but got caught out of position. However, when subbed, he had the commitment to return as a blood replacement and get a crucial score.

Peter Turley was a strong rival to Doyle for MoM, linked the play impressively and even took some fine catches. He probably should have had a run at full back in the McKenna Cup and either he or Dan may need to go back there. Dan took a couple of heavy  knocks and got an important point, but was nowhere near as effective at midfield as some might have hoped.

Our half forward line had problems with Donegal's swift movement,  with Poland out of sorts and Gerard McCartan a little uncertain, although Carr did reasonably well.
Benny got clobbered without any protection from the ref, but was not on form, and Miskelly got very little possession before he was hooked at the end of the first half. Laverty as ever was a gem, and on limited supply kept us buzzing.

Brady looked lively as a sub. but is probably too similar in size to Laverty to start together. Garvey has got what it takes, and could be used at full back, half back or even wing half next Sunday. McParland is a decent prospect and we need to get Ambrose more game time. His handling was poor, but his fitness looked reasonable and his touch will surely return.

To lay down a marker, we need to beat either Cork, Kerry or Dublin in this division. The first is the only away tie of the big three, and we will not travel without a degree of optimism.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 06, 2012, 11:05:01 AM
It wasnt pretty to watch but thats the game Donegal bring to the table. Kildare and dublin struggled against them last year basically because they smother your forward line, Benny didnt get a sniff from prob the best defender in the country imo. But to have guys in the half backs and midfield who can take scores was vital for Down. Doyle was massive.
yes we just about got out of newry with 2 points with donegal missing 2 frees to tie the game. But down dropped alot of balls short on saturday night and will need alot of improvement to get anything in cork, but considering they  humiliated us in Croke park last July i would settle for a performance on sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on February 06, 2012, 11:50:21 AM
Quinn's Corner Ulster Club Intermediate Football League Group B Round 1
Warrenpoint Cumann Pheadair Naofa  0-12 v  Strabane Sigersons 1-13

Quinn's Corner Ulster Club Intermediate Football League Group C Round 1
Bredagh  2-8 v  Lamh Dhearg  2-6

Quinn's Corner Ulster Club Intermediate Football League Group D Round 1
Naomh Éanna  1-6 v  Tullylish  4-9 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 06, 2012, 04:27:50 PM
I expect James would best like to play Coulter-Laverty at full-forward, and Gordon-Poland-Carr-Hughes at half-forward, with Ambrose-Turley in midfield. At any rate the strategy this year seems to be to put a big man in half-forward to support midfield. If that is the clear choice then it limits the options for Poland, Maginn, and Carr all playing. I personally prefer Maginn to Carr, but unless Poland's form improves I would prefer Carr to Poland. Of course Maginn isn't even fit!

As for half backs, Doyler will remain at 6, I think that means Garvey will come back in and McKernan will move to the wing-back (which probably suits him better). Interesting that WhiteGM is so opposed to McKernan playing wing-back. As it is his own clubmate I guess we have to think that he knows more about it than the rest of us.

But if McKernan were included in the forwards then that squeezes the options even more. So, assuming Ambrose is fit to play midfield -  how do you fit 9 players (Laverty, Coulter, Gordon, Hughes, Carr, Maginn, Poland, McKernan and King) into 6 spaces? Which three should be left out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on February 06, 2012, 04:38:37 PM
It's not a problem in my eyes, great that there is so much comepetition.  Can Turley realistically hold down a starting spot come championship or is it too early to say?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 06, 2012, 11:56:14 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 06, 2012, 04:27:50 PM
I expect James would best like to play Coulter-Laverty at full-forward, and Gordon-Poland-Carr-Hughes at half-forward, with Ambrose-Turley in midfield. At any rate the strategy this year seems to be to put a big man in half-forward to support midfield. If that is the clear choice then it limits the options for Poland, Maginn, and Carr all playing. I personally prefer Maginn to Carr, but unless Poland's form improves I would prefer Carr to Poland. Of course Maginn isn't even fit!

As for half backs, Doyler will remain at 6, I think that means Garvey will come back in and McKernan will move to the wing-back (which probably suits him better). Interesting that WhiteGM is so opposed to McKernan playing wing-back. As it is his own clubmate I guess we have to think that he knows more about it than the rest of us.

But if McKernan were included in the forwards then that squeezes the options even more. So, assuming Ambrose is fit to play midfield -  how do you fit 9 players (Laverty, Coulter, Gordon, Hughes, Carr, Maginn, Poland, McKernan and King) into 6 spaces? Which three should be left out?

A half back line of McKernan, Doyle, Garvey would do me.
Turley will end up at full back, Ambrose will play a role from the bench, so expect Dan & Kalum at midfield come the serious end of the season.
I like Carr but he is too loose and goes awol too often - I think come mid-season he will feature from the bench as Maginn has more to offer in terms of workrate and "dirty ball" to coin that awful expression. By then Gough will be a real option as the 3rd big man playing from the half forward line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 08, 2012, 08:17:23 AM
any word of the fixtures yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 10, 2012, 06:12:34 PM
All very quiet here. No word of fixtures and no word of a team for Sunday. I would go with the same team as last week with Garvey and Hughes in from the start ( with G Mc Cartan and Miskelly giving way).Long old trip but up we have to beat Cork some time ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 10, 2012, 06:18:47 PM
hopefully garvey and hughes will be fit to start. i would leave out miskelly and costello to accomodate them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 10, 2012, 07:22:02 PM
Id agree with Garvey and Hughes coming in but there would need to be one more or else a defender is going to play in the forward line like McCartan did last week.  Id like to see Ambrose given a start at wing forward, he is very rusty but he needs game time and out of midfield there wont be as much pressure on him as there would be at midfield.  Plus there are not too many half forward options at the minute anyway.

Id go for

McVeigh
McCartan
McCartan
Brannigan
Garvey
Doyle
Quinn
Turley
Gordon
Hughes
Carr
Rodgers
Lavery
Coulter
Poland

Tough on Damian Turley and Costello but thats the way it goes.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on February 11, 2012, 05:48:14 PM
I just heard on the wireless that Paul Kerrigan has got his red card overturned and will be able to line out for Cork tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on February 11, 2012, 09:09:51 PM
Team up on the Down page on facebook
Mc Veigh
Costello Dan Mc Cartan D Turley
Quinn  Doyle  G Mc Cartan
P Turley   A Brannigan
Poland  Carr  Gordon
Hughes  Laverty  Coulter
Does Mayobridge u 21 not play tomorrow so that would rule K Quinn out all in all no major surprises
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 11, 2012, 09:13:50 PM
Have to say I much prefer the team selected by WhiteGM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on February 11, 2012, 09:20:32 PM
So would i Paul but glad to see Damien Turley getting another run has done very well so far
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on February 11, 2012, 10:49:49 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on February 11, 2012, 09:09:51 PM
Team up on the Down page on facebook
Mc Veigh
Costello Dan Mc Cartan D Turley
Quinn  Doyle  G Mc Cartan
P Turley   A Brannigan
Poland  Carr  Gordon
Hughes  Laverty  Coulter
Does Mayobridge u 21 not play tomorrow so that would rule K Quinn out all in all no major surprises

Bridge play on Sun 22nd !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2012, 02:11:30 PM
The Down website appears to be offline - has anyone got the link for the radio commentary from Cork ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on February 12, 2012, 02:23:47 PM
Try Destination Newry - The broadcast is broken up some - Poor broadband
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on February 12, 2012, 02:30:43 PM
http://www.c103.ie/boxtube/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2012, 02:32:13 PM
Got the commentary from Cork on <www.c103.ie>. We had a great start, scoring the first three points, but Cork have just hit an amazing 2-4 without reply. It sounds as though our defence is struggling badly, and the last goal was supposed to be a dreadful error by Brendan McVeigh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 12, 2012, 02:35:37 PM
Down were 0-03 to nil up but cork have scored 2-04 without reply. Another hiding on the cards. that link is terrible keeps breaking up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 12, 2012, 02:42:19 PM
down getting bit of a hiding. cork 3-5 down 0-5 at half time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 12, 2012, 03:14:37 PM
you wouldnt think these  teams were in the same league. Cork are destroying them. some confidence knocker this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 12, 2012, 03:17:11 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 12, 2012, 03:14:37 PM
you wouldnt think these  teams were in the same league. Cork are destroying them. some confidence knocker this.

whats the score now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on February 12, 2012, 03:28:51 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on February 12, 2012, 03:17:11 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 12, 2012, 03:14:37 PM
you wouldnt think these  teams were in the same league. Cork are destroying them. some confidence knocker this.

whats the score now?


4-11 to 0-8 i think. 5 mins left
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 12, 2012, 03:34:50 PM
4-11 to 0-08

How many times do Down have to be hammered by Cork.
McCartan has been destroyed and humiliated 3 times against Cork and still hasnt a clue what to do to defend against them. Maybe forget about your brother in the team for a start. Relegation is likely.
The Down fans that travelled to that game should be given their money back. disgrace.
Final score 4-11 to 0-10 according to Cork radio
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 12, 2012, 03:35:23 PM
FT 4-11 0-10

How come McCardle playing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 12, 2012, 03:39:59 PM
totally embaressing. radio commentry couldnt believe how bad down were. defence needs a complete overhaul.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2012, 03:44:27 PM
It might be better to wait for those who were actually at the game to offer their views before engaging in recriminations, but there can be no doubt that this was a very damaging defeat. The scoreboard never lies, and it looks as though our defensive stategy must go back to the drawing board. Equally alarmingly, the radio commentary indicated a general lack of spirit and organisation in our ranks when the pressure was on. The only crumb of comfort is that we have a three-week break before the visit of Kerry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 12, 2012, 06:17:50 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 12, 2012, 03:34:50 PM
4-11 to 0-08

How many times do Down have to be hammered by Cork.
McCartan has been destroyed and humiliated 3 times against Cork and still hasnt a clue what to do to defend against them. Maybe forget about your brother in the team for a start. Relegation is likely.
The Down fans that travelled to that game should be given their money back. disgrace.
Final score 4-11 to 0-10 according to Cork radio


Maybe we should wait until we hear from some supporters who were at the game before commenting on who should be dropped and who was a disgrace instead of taking a summary from a local cork radio station.

Paul, Leo, NP or any others that were unfortunate enough to make the trip, a detailed report as painful as it might be would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Agent Orange on February 12, 2012, 06:25:38 PM
We went to the Down game on the way back from the Kerry v Armagh game last night. Down were woeful. Daniel McCartan was lost at full back, too small, too slow. At fault for the first goal, had his back to the play and the ball came in over his head. Cork never looked back after that. The keeper had a shocker. Was caught in possession and left an open net. Cork had scored 2-4 without reply after Down scored the first 3 points.
Down were cleaned at midfield for long periods of the game and offered litle up front. Too small, too light and even Coulter was kept very quiet. McArdle of Burren who was supposed to be banned came on in the second half. We left with about 15 minutes to go and heard that Ambrose Rogers was being introduced. Down had only scored 7 points at that stage. Cork were out of sight long before that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 12, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
McArdles ban was up in Croke Park this wk, he must have got it rescinded.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 12, 2012, 06:42:54 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 12, 2012, 03:34:50 PM
4-11 to 0-08

How many times do Down have to be hammered by Cork.
McCartan has been destroyed and humiliated 3 times against Cork and still hasnt a clue what to do to defend against them. Maybe forget about your brother in the team for a start. Relegation is likely.
The Down fans that travelled to that game should be given their money back. disgrace.
Final score 4-11 to 0-10 according to Cork radio

Catch a grip, far too easy to blame Dan for this defeat.. Obviously changes are needed but to single him out is a joke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 12, 2012, 06:47:09 PM
According to Hoganstand Dan was taken off after 32 mins and replaced by Garvey, not sure if this was injury or tactical.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 12, 2012, 06:50:52 PM
I listened to it on the radio, sounded tactical as they didnt mention an injury, but there were plenty of others that could have been taken off to..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 12, 2012, 07:53:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 12, 2012, 06:42:54 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 12, 2012, 03:34:50 PM
4-11 to 0-08

How many times do Down have to be hammered by Cork.
McCartan has been destroyed and humiliated 3 times against Cork and still hasnt a clue what to do to defend against them. Maybe forget about your brother in the team for a start. Relegation is likely.
The Down fans that travelled to that game should be given their money back. disgrace.
Final score 4-11 to 0-10 according to Cork radio

its`` my opinion

Catch a grip, far too easy to blame Dan for this defeat.. Obviously changes are needed but to single him out is a joke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 12, 2012, 08:06:26 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 12, 2012, 07:53:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 12, 2012, 06:42:54 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 12, 2012, 03:34:50 PM
4-11 to 0-08

How many times do Down have to be hammered by Cork.
McCartan has been destroyed and humiliated 3 times against Cork and still hasnt a clue what to do to defend against them. Maybe forget about your brother in the team for a start. Relegation is likely.
The Down fans that travelled to that game should be given their money back. disgrace.
Final score 4-11 to 0-10 according to Cork radio

its`` my opinion

Catch a grip, far too easy to blame Dan for this defeat.. Obviously changes are needed but to single him out is a joke.
sorry my 13 month old got to the laptop and must have sent that through. Its just my opinion of a player that i have rarely had any faith in and according to radio reports was at fault for first goal. I wouldnt say too many on here have confidence in him.
But cant blame him on everything, the team were poor,   Wee james doesnt seem to learn anything from these hidings and again thats my opinion. Big strong athletic teams run through Down and i know we still have a lot of injuries and things may change as its only feb. But a hiding like that cant be any good for a squad. to concede 4 goals is terrible. I didnt expect anything from this game but i thought we might have kept it respectable. Its really no wonder the press dont give us any consideration.
iHopefully O'Rourke will be able to do enough with that defence to keep us up and get us to an Ulster Final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Marshes on February 12, 2012, 08:14:38 PM
What surprises me is the shock and surprise at this result. My only surprise was the score wasn't worse. Folks, Down are not good enough at this level. We don't have enough exceptional players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on February 12, 2012, 09:57:14 PM
Depressing performance and result today, easily the worst of the McCartan era. Defence is in tatters and familiar failings exposed far too easily. Inexplicable that after two trouncings last year by Cork we still haven't learned any lessons: ball hoofed down the middle, small players (Garvey, McCartan etc) marking giants, reliance on Coulter (surrounded by three men when he landed with the ball) and no way of nullifying Kerrigan or O'Connor. A lot of that team frankly isn't good enough. Maginn, Rooney, Garvey, Rogers, B McArdle, Murtagh, McComiskey - all should be in consideration for starting places, don't know injury situation with a few but if Garvey and Rogers are fit, they should be starting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 12, 2012, 10:21:22 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on February 12, 2012, 09:57:14 PM
Depressing performance and result today, easily the worst of the McCartan era. Defence is in tatters and familiar failings exposed far too easily. Inexplicable that after two trouncings last year by Cork we still haven't learned any lessons: ball hoofed down the middle, small players (Garvey, McCartan etc) marking giants, reliance on Coulter (surrounded by three men when he landed with the ball) and no way of nullifying Kerrigan or O'Connor. A lot of that team frankly isn't good enough. Maginn, Rooney, Garvey, Rogers, B McArdle, Murtagh, McComiskey - all should be in consideration for starting places, don't know injury situation with a few but if Garvey and Rogers are fit, they should be starting.

Wasn't at the game so my post is not so much on today's performance as on your analysis. You say the defence is in tatters yet there are only 3 defenders in the players you want included, one of whom (Garvey) played half the game today and the other two (Rooney & McArdle) whatever about their merits, have been injury prone for some time.
Again you question Garvey's physique but want him included.
You should know that Murtagh & McComiskey are currently unavailable, and Rodgers remains a huge doubt.
The one thing I will agree on is our inability to give proper scope to Coulter. McCartan himself and Linden were marked men  throughout the 90's but we had players who could find them and a system to give them space. We can't seem to find that today, either because of the mass defence systems we can't break down or our passing and vision simply isn't good enough. When I see how Monagahn could consistently put Finlay in scoring positions against a defensive outfit like Laois I do wonder....

Whatever way you shake it up that is 4 defeats to Cork in just over 2 years years, 3 of them tankings.
We were fortunate to beat Donegal (hardly any scores from our forwards) and in a year when a path to an Ulster title looks as possible as it could be we now look to have regressed.
Bad bad day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 12, 2012, 10:45:57 PM
Gabriel I really can't wait to see who you'd recommend as the 'giants' to replace our 'small players'.

The unwillingness of our half back line to protect our full back line was the reason why Cork emptied us last summer, and the reason why Cork emptied us in the 2nd half of the AI final.

I'm disappointed in this, as I'm sure is James, and I'd harbour a string guess it's why O Rourke was headhunted for coaching. If James can't sort the issue out by the end of this season then it is probably beat he lets someone else try. But trust me, there aren't many, if any, better defenders in our county than those playing this evening. Cork are a frightening prospect not because they're big, but because they're big and very, very mobile. Down jut don't have that sort of player lying around.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on February 12, 2012, 11:04:22 PM
Just home from Cork which in my view was one of the worst if not the worse i have ever seen . I would actually put it on a par with the Sligo game . For anyone to single Daniel Mc Cartan out for the blame was most defintely not at this game . Players and managment ALL have to hold their hands up here . The only player that offered any drive today was Conor Laverty  . I dont think any of the rest could honestly say they were near him . The defeat was very hard to take but for me to see Kevin Mc Kernan and Anton Mc Ardle coming on was totally on called for . 1 has been suspended and played no football for a number of months and the other hasnt even been training while other lads have been knocking their b**ls out at training and games . We have learnt absolutely nothing since the All Ireland defeat still bombing the ball down the middle and hoping for the best yet we leave Poland isolated on Canty for kickouts Choc left in the middle on his own with Pearse O neill . We needed big men today to catch a ball or get a hand to it and yet 2 of them werent there left in Newry . Dan Gordon 1 clean catch at mid field at least when he was FB we had a bit of presence in there . He may not of been the finished article but he was coming good . Danny Hughes getting himself killed by always carrying into the tackle . Silly passes to a man already crowded out resulting in Mark Poland near losing his front teeth school boy mistakes against a team that we should know inside out . Why do we all retreat back why not just pick up a man and follow him wherever he goes . We are playing a system that is not working and no one seems to know what they are doing . When we played Kildare in 2010 we defended from no 15 and stopped the opposition getting out of defence now we all retreat and invite them on to us . Is this aiden O Rourkes mark on this team . Am getting totally disillusioned by football in general from what i have seen this year it is nothing short of diobolical not only Down but it all. The only plus i got out of today was i had a mighty feed coming up the road . Rant over !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 13, 2012, 12:22:26 AM
13 points!!! Must be a long time since a Down team was beat by 13 points??? The next game is absolutely critical, a big defeat at home to Kerry could be crushing and after their result today, the banker against Laois doesnt look so much a cert anymore!! Disappointed with the style of football we have adopted but that was to be expected bringing O Rourke on board. Agree with NP, bringing on Mc Kernan and Mc Ardle today was wrong, should not have happened!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 13, 2012, 12:31:42 AM
When you compare our performance today with that of Armagh last week, there is one striking difference, Strategy. The Armagh team is not significantly bigger than ours, nor do they have better players, they just know what they are supposed to be doing, and where they are supposed to be doing it. Down today had no Heart, no Brain, and no direction. Last week Armagh defended brilliantly, today they attacked brilliantly and kept Kerry on the back foot, but we are incapable of doing either at the moment. We dont yet even know what our best team is, as experimentation has replaced judgement. Nothing we have seen to date this season, gives any indication that management know how to fix our problems, or that they can even define our problem. A short season beckons. An attacking team will win this years AI, playing football in the opposition half off the field, not their own, we would be well to watch and learn, we will certainly have nothing better to do
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Marshes on February 13, 2012, 12:40:30 AM
Forget about all these fancy tactics, positional changes, Down players are unable to do the basics- kicking, catching, scoring. when we get the basics sorted we will be Ok.

Some members on this board have posted in excess of 1500 posts but you all come up with the same rubbish. Unless you are able to provide solutions to the problems you should all keep quiet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on February 13, 2012, 09:09:00 AM
The Marshes, tell us all now how we should go about staying up in the league and having a decent run in the summer?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 13, 2012, 09:31:45 AM
Quote from: The Marshes on February 13, 2012, 12:40:30 AM
Forget about all these fancy tactics, positional changes, Down players are unable to do the basics- kicking, catching, scoring. when we get the basics sorted we will be Ok.

Some members on this board have posted in excess of 1500 posts but you all come up with the same rubbish. Unless you are able to provide solutions to the problems you should all keep quiet

Maybe give Wee James a call and deliver your fountain of Knowledge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 13, 2012, 01:14:32 PM
Lol I actually find the marshes "matter of fact" points very humerous.

On another point I can understand and agree with the frustration of seeing McKernan coming on yesterday having not trained with the team since christmas but if McArdle has been training and performing well in training whilst suspended and the management thought he could have an influence on the game then why not bring him on??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 13, 2012, 04:16:55 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on February 13, 2012, 01:14:32 PM
Lol I actually find the marshes "matter of fact" points very humerous.

On another point I can understand and agree with the frustration of seeing McKernan coming on yesterday having not trained with the team since christmas but if McArdle has been training and performing well in training whilst suspended and the management thought he could have an influence on the game then why not bring him on??

Regarding Anton, I always thought that when you were suspended under the old system (i.e. a number of weeks) that you weren't allowed to set foot on a Gaelic pitch. I thought you weren't even allowed to train or play practice matches. Is that not true?

On other matters, I still think that the team selected by WhiteGM was a better one than started the game.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 13, 2012, 08:44:07 PM
why was ambrose not included in the squad? heard he didnt even travel. cant understand how anton mcardle and kevin mc kernan can get brought back in so quick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 13, 2012, 08:59:07 PM
Anyone hear that a few boys got off the bus in Newry before it left for Cork???

That didnt look pretty on TG4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on February 13, 2012, 09:14:26 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2012, 02:32:13 PM
Got the commentary from Cork on <www.c103.ie>. We had a great start, scoring the first three points, but Cork have just hit an amazing 2-4 without reply. It sounds as though our defence is struggling badly, and the last goal was supposed to be a dreadful error by Brendan McVeigh.
supposed to be but wasent. be careful what you post
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 13, 2012, 10:30:15 PM
The commentator on Cork's 103 FM said it was a goalkeeping mistake. As we saw from the TG4 coverage tonight, it was actually the corner back who slipped and give up possession for the second goal. We know that McVeigh is a top class keeper, but he does not often vary his kick-outs when our midfield goes through one of its periodic struggles. However, it was clear from the tv footage that our full back and half back lines were just as full of gaps as they were in our two games against Cork last year.

Ambrose's fitness problems a full 18 months after his cruciate injury are a huge concern as we could really be doing with him against Kerry. Gordon will almost certainly switch to full back to mark big Donaghy, and there is a strong case for bringing King back at full forward to take the pressure off Benny. That would probably leave a midfield of Turley and McArdle, so a third physically strong player at wing half forward would be important for us in what will be a vital match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 14, 2012, 09:15:31 AM
Where was Gough on Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on February 14, 2012, 10:12:13 AM
On the one day you needed big men both Gough and Ambrose were sitting at home listening to it in Destination Newry !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on February 14, 2012, 10:32:31 AM
Sounds like there was a disagreement, anyone shed any more llight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on February 14, 2012, 11:46:04 AM
dont know about gough, but ambrose was told in the carrickdale just before setting off to cork that he wasent in the match panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 14, 2012, 07:11:00 PM
Quote from: extra time on February 14, 2012, 11:46:04 AM
dont know about gough, but ambrose was told in the carrickdale just before setting off to cork that he wasent in the match panel.

So the management leave two natural midfielders at home and secect Aidan Brannigan at 9 who has been an out and our defender since starting with Kilcoo under 8s over 2 decades ago and has never played midfield at any level. Baffling.
Serious year ahead and as i posted at the turn of the year, i believe we will struggle big time. The 10 or so players from last years squad are serious losses and the players that have came in by and large bar a few are not up to it at county level.
Darren OHagan has also opted out to add to the list of absentees of McComiskey, Murtagh, Big Pete, Colgan, 2 Clarkes, Mooney, Alder, Murphy while Rafferty and Rooney seem a long way of a return. Thats a lot of talent that we simply have not replacements for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 14, 2012, 07:53:07 PM
It would be good to hear something definitive about Ambrose's absence in Cork, but it's pretty clear that he is struggling to get back to the level of fitness required. He was replaced in the two McKenna Cup games he started, even though the pace was fairly sedate, and did not feature when it got more serious against Derry in the semi final.  He did not look himself when he appeared for the last quarter of the opening league game against Donegal and he was not involved at all last Sunday. It is quite possible that he needs  a fair amount of recovery time between games, and taking him all the way to Cork to give him a late run out may not have been sensible. He remains a vital player for us, and we all want to see him back at his best well before the championship.

Gough is a different case, as, although he displayed some promise in the McKenna Cup, he is probably a year away from being a championship prospect. Many Down fans will share MDG's surprise over the placement of Brannigan in and around midfield, but very few of the absentees he lists can be blamed on our management.

Murphy was out of sorts when he got his chance in the qualifiers last summer, while Murtagh looked reasonable in the league but made little impact in the championship. Alder is a decent keeper but is up against strong rivals, while McComiskey will be expected to return before long. Fitpatrick, Colgan, Mooney and Martin Clarke are all unavailable down under. John Clarke was treated harshly last summer, but may have been coming to the end of his county career anyway. Hopefully, O'Hagan, Rafferty and Rooney will all be back when fully fit.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on February 14, 2012, 11:04:05 PM
In a nutshell we are in trouble. What a different 18 months makes!  Instead of pushing on we are progressively moving back very quickly.  Ive read and listened to what people have had to say but how are we going to win anything with Anton McArdle Owen Costello Damiam Turley The Branigan Brothers Conor Laverty.  Ialso think that Daniel mccartan and Breandan MeVeigh have their best days behind. Gordan doesnt care and Coulter is so frustrated at whats going on.


This might sound strong buti ts time for Aidan o'rourke (we all know hes not their for the good of Down football) till go and for Down to go back and play football the Down way
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 15, 2012, 12:44:12 AM
Mid term time again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on February 15, 2012, 06:20:01 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on February 14, 2012, 11:04:05 PM
In a nutshell we are in trouble. What a different 18 months makes!  Instead of pushing on we are progressively moving back very quickly.  Ive read and listened to what people have had to say but how are we going to win anything with Anton McArdle Owen Costello Damiam Turley The Branigan Brothers Conor Laverty.  Ialso think that Daniel mccartan and Breandan MeVeigh have their best days behind. Gordan doesnt care and Coulter is so frustrated at whats going on.


This might sound strong buti ts time for Aidan o'rourke (we all know hes not their for the good of Down football) till go and for Down to go back and play football the Down way

Put away the laptop and join the circus
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on February 15, 2012, 09:02:00 AM
Quote from: dodgy umpire on February 15, 2012, 06:20:01 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on February 14, 2012, 11:04:05 PM
In a nutshell we are in trouble. What a different 18 months makes!  Instead of pushing on we are progressively moving back very quickly.  Ive read and listened to what people have had to say but how are we going to win anything with Anton McArdle Owen Costello Damiam Turley The Branigan Brothers Conor Laverty.  Ialso think that Daniel mccartan and Breandan MeVeigh have their best days behind. Gordan doesnt care and Coulter is so frustrated at whats going on.


This might sound strong buti ts time for Aidan o'rourke (we all know hes not their for the good of Down football) till go and for Down to go back and play football the Down way

Put away the laptop and join the circus

There is the problem right their.  When people dont like what they hear they brush/laugh it off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 15, 2012, 11:39:22 AM
Do ye know what really sickens my shite something shockin?
The well-coined phrase "The Down Way".
Forgive me, but what a big fuckin hape of steaming horse shit i never heard the likes of.
Ive only noticed it creeping its way into the media this last 4/5 years or so.
WHO THE F**K IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.WHAT DOES IT MEAN. SILLY ROMANTIC NOTION THAT WE ARE THE ONLY COUNTY IN IRELAND TO PLAY THE GAME AS IT SHOULD BE.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 15, 2012, 12:10:02 PM
I see dan is lined out at midfield for ulster. Hopefully he can put in a good performance and stay there for down. McVeigh Hughes Poland and Coulter also to start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 15, 2012, 03:56:06 PM
Brick, unfortunately there is a romantic notion rampant in our county that there is a "Down way", which seems to involve beating the opposition by scoring them off the park, through an all out attacking game revolving around 6 forwards who play their positions.

I say unfortunately, because the only way in hell this "way" has a chance in the modern game is if you happen to have three Eoin Cadogans in your full back line i.e. three players who can have the attributes to out pace, out last, out muscle, out field and out think top-class inter county forwards. For the Down "way" leaves gaps at the back, and quality forwards love gaps.

Even then I don't see it working, but it's all irrelevant as Down don't even have one player of this ilk, or genuinely close to this ilk. If anything, the current Down team needs 6 defenders who play their position, and forwards coming back to help at every opportunity. Not the other way around.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 15, 2012, 07:48:14 PM
Attack is the best form of defence  Wobbler. When Half Forwards retreat to help out defence, they bring attacking Half Backs with them, into scoring positions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 15, 2012, 09:07:23 PM
Pangur, with all due respect, you're living in 1965 or so.

Any recent demolition jobs on Down were the result of our full back line getting torn a new one, because they weren't able to cover the ground. It really is as simple as that.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on February 15, 2012, 10:19:06 PM
Wobbler our full back line got pulled apart on Sunday with 14 men in their own half . Not much room to cover with that amount of bodies behind the ball
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 15, 2012, 11:58:11 PM
Thats irrational Wobbler, as NP76 has pointed out we had so many bodies behind the Ball, hindering rather than helping, and were repeatedly turned over trying to play the ball out of defence, as there were no Mf or Forward option to kick it to. We invited them on to us and they came taking full advantage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 16, 2012, 08:23:21 AM
I think that the problem is in the way in which systems are altered. It seems that teams feel they should either attack or defend as a policy. The talk of sweepers and things like that. Donegal did well last year with a highly defensive system but showed a total lack of flexibility when they needed to score.

It is no good saying that we sacrifice forwards to play as defenders or indeed sacrifice defence to boost our forward play. The system has to be a flexible one depending on where the ball is at any time. That was Tyrone's strength. They defended in numbers AND attacked in numbers.

Currently Down have many deep lying forwards to try to nullify the oncoming attack. When we turn the ball over we have a load of lads strung across the pitch looking for a lateral pass and the ball generally doesn't move too far. The defence part of that is okay but the failure to convert to an attacking formation is the problem and results in "a big punt up to Benny". The missing link is of course Marty who knew how to move from defence to attack directly. The short passes are sideways because that's where the free men are. You don't have boys breaking forward for short forward passes, looking to exploit the space left due to the defensive passage of play. Instead they stand deep because they will get easy possession because the opposition are flooding back to to fill those spaces and we are letting them.

In summary I feel the problem is the speed at which the half forwards adjust from a defensive to an attacking mindset. Dublin achieved this best last year and they accordingly won the All-Ireland (and not with the most talented 15 players in the country)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on February 16, 2012, 11:59:01 AM
See on the front page of the Gaelic life Aidan O Rourke clearing up the matter about Ambrose not traveling to Cork . Am i wrong in thinking it really should be James clarifying this and not the coach . Why would you go to the Carrickdale with your gear to travel to Cork if you recieved a TEXT on Friday to say you werent part of their plans . Why could these lads not be told face to face on Thursday night after training instead of an impersonal text message . I think their is a lack of disicipline and leadership from the top down . Another point from Sunday was players not travelling home on the team bus after the game . Should they all not travel together as a team unit this would not happy in the likes of Tyrone .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on February 16, 2012, 12:24:32 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on February 16, 2012, 11:59:01 AM
See on the front page of the Gaelic life Aidan O Rourke clearing up the matter about Ambrose not traveling to Cork . Am i wrong in thinking it really should be James clarifying this and not the coach . Why would you go to the Carrickdale with your gear to travel to Cork if you recieved a TEXT on Friday to say you werent part of their plans . Why could these lads not be told face to face on Thursday night after training instead of an impersonal text message . I think their is a lack of disicipline and leadership from the top down . Another point from Sunday was players not travelling home on the team bus after the game . Should they all not travel together as a team unit this would not happy in the likes of Tyrone .

NP76 Your totally 100% correct. O'Rourkes job is on the training field and nothing else. + its clear that some of the things that are going on at the top is a joke and we are only hearing small whimpers of it even though we are the ones that are funding it.  THings need to be made clear now and stop the Bulls**t
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 16, 2012, 01:46:15 PM
and what exactly would you suggest?
Ye really have it in for AOR dont ye?

Its funny when yer winning and things are going well there are no problems, but once the tough times come its back to finger pointing and the blame game.

and couldnt give a flying f**k who manages or is involved in runnin the teams or what decisions they make.
il still support and follow the team and my county.

il trust the judgement of the men who are entrusted to run the county team be it manager, coach or selector (whether i like them or not)over that of internet keyboard warriors spouting shite!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John o connor on February 16, 2012, 03:32:06 PM
Paul d 123 that hits nail on the head 100% , could not agree more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 16, 2012, 03:49:52 PM
Dont hold back there Brick :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on February 16, 2012, 04:44:39 PM
The way i see it is we have a couple of major problems at present.  We have had our heads blown up with the performances of 2010 - but lets not forget we won nothing that year.  We competed in two national finals and won f*** all. We have since had a group of players who are overrated and over hyped beyond all recognition.  the players themselves are hard to listen to at this stage.  When we had Marty we were decent because as you seid earlier - he knew how to turn defence in to attack real quick.  Benny thrived on his service and we got the best out of poland, rooney, garvey.  But lets be honest - we are not good like.  We have an over reliance on ambrose, danny Hughes (who is being hampered with injuries at present), Liam Doyle who has been a revelation this year and Laverty.  Yes we have injuries to major players - but what county in ireland doesnt?? We need to snap out of our bubble and the players especially need to do the same.  Its a bad state of affairs when players are telling the managament i dont want to play there - if im put there i wont come back - who the f*** do they think they are..... As for that crap about the "Down way" that was inspired by sean og in a secretaries report a number of years ago.  He needs to f***in snap out of it and realise the way the game is played today and this notion of 15 v 15 in their proper positions is a thing of the past. 
James is the man for the job - i have no doubt about that - but there are a few positions he needs to take a look at on his panel.  Some players are simply not up to scratch - and there are better ones out there in the county.  It is a high pressure job i have no doubt about that - but decisions need to be correct.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on February 17, 2012, 03:59:01 PM
Forget about the team problems for a second and take a look at this hideous new GREEN  DOWN JERSEY!!!!!!!!!


http://www.oneills.com/list.aspx?currentPage=5&Group=10&orderBy=&str_Search=&idCategory=16&expandable=&locID=1&str_SearchType=1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 17, 2012, 04:28:32 PM
Quote from: southdown on February 17, 2012, 03:59:01 PM
Forget about the team problems for a second and take a look at this hideous new GREEN  DOWN JERSEY!!!!!!!!!


http://www.oneills.com/list.aspx?currentPage=5&Group=10&orderBy=&str_Search=&idCategory=16&expandable=&locID=1&str_SearchType=1

Don't panic Southdown. It a promotional thing by O'Neils for Patricks day...every county has one...apart from Kerry I think...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 17, 2012, 09:52:53 PM
Conor Gough was listed as among those attending the official Aussie rules trial in Dublin earlier this week. According to the Irish Times, he is a member of the Armagh senior squad. He may not be ready for championship football this year, and it would be wrong to deny him the opportunity to get a professional contract. However, with five members of our squad from last summer already Down Under for various reasons, we cannot really afford to lose many more players if we hope to make any progess this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Crossman on February 17, 2012, 09:56:21 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 15, 2012, 12:10:02 PM
I see dan is lined out at midfield for ulster. Hopefully he can put in a good performance and stay there for down. McVeigh Hughes Poland and Coulter also to start
I see Matt Fitz says in The Down Recorder that Dan 'excelled'  at midfield for Down against Cork-must have been at a different match from me!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on February 17, 2012, 10:09:23 PM
Dont know what game he was at
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 17, 2012, 10:21:50 PM
Lads ignore anything that man writes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 18, 2012, 12:25:10 AM
Matt must have enjoyed more than the HT Sandwiches
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on February 18, 2012, 08:54:27 AM
any news on the league fixtures and dates for 2012?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 18, 2012, 09:38:58 AM
Cork v Down http://youtu.be/W2O-SriNpPo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 18, 2012, 11:42:08 AM
Quote from: amallon on February 18, 2012, 09:38:58 AM
Cork v Down http://youtu.be/W2O-SriNpPo

:o complete shambles!! The defending particularly in the first half was a complete disgrace, so far off our men it was unreal maybe thats something to do with the bullshit system we r playing. Dont want to go over old ground but i really think Mc Iver is going to turn out to be a big big loss, we might have replaced the trainer ie o rourke for tally but we havent replaced someone with the same know how as Mc Iver, not sure how good J Johnston is along the line except for maybe squeezing as many kilcoo men in as possible  ;) (only a joke Mid down gael)  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on February 18, 2012, 02:17:03 PM
Funny the Kilcoo men were the pick of them last week !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on February 18, 2012, 02:30:43 PM
See that Mooney made his Debut today for Collingwood against Great Western thats good going for him so soon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 19, 2012, 09:47:09 PM
Very quiet on this thread at a time when our football fortunes look bleak.
Does anyone know why Ambrose was not in Cork?
And Gough?
Can we afford to have the likes of McComiskey & O'Reilly opt out?
Is Daniel McCartan (& half the Buren team) untouchable?
Where are Luke Howard & Paul Murphy who would be in my team any day?
Nobody I know knows....
So ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 19, 2012, 11:37:47 PM
Aidan O'Rourke said that Ambrose is still struggling for fitness so it was decided not to take him to Cork. Gough is a teenager, and would not have been expected to make the first team for the league this year. McComiskey wanted a break but will hopefully be back later in the year. O'Reilly has only returned home after a couple of years in Australia, and wants to concentrate on his university studies. Howard is reportedly in Australia as well, and Murphy had a bit of a disaster when he got his chance against Clare in the qualifiers last summer. Daniel McCartan was replaced before half-time in our last game, so it does not look at though he is untouchable.

There's no doubt that we are missing quite a few players for a variety of reasons, but there is still enough quality in our squad to stay in division one. While the performance in Cork was bitterly disappointing, the Kerry game will be a great opportunity to see what we are made of.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on February 20, 2012, 01:21:57 AM
Ambrose was at the carrickdale but was told not to travel
Gough was left at home when although young at least might of caught a ball
Mc comiskey is injuried and from Queens last game i honestly dont think O Reily is a big loss although i was delighted to see him come home from Oz
daniel was not the probelm against Cork and has been made a scapegoat at full back when the best solution we have is at wing half forward/mid field doing very little
Howard away in oz as far as i know Murphy not up to scratch as the Clare game last year showed 
I still think Aidan O Rourke is wrong no harm to him in the way they treated Ambrose but thats just my opinion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on February 20, 2012, 06:28:28 PM
This might be relevant on here since there has been a lot of debate recently about the "style" of football that Down are playing. It is taken from a Kieran Shannon interveiw with Tony McEntee published in the Irish Examiner last Saturday before their game

QuoteMcEntee acknowledges there's a fist passing "epidemic" currently plaguing football but he doesn't necessarily think it's an issue for the legislators to curb but rather a trend that more progressive coaches will resist. Ultimately he feels the short game will only take you so far. If a player can't kick pass the ball, he and his team can only develop so much.

"I think coaches are going for the easy option in trying to keep possession and defensively trying to limit opponents to 10 points and then hope for the best up front. They're playing four across the middle and six defenders and leaving four forwards up front but for me that's not a good system. They're not taking advantage of the forwards they have. They're not driving forward.

"What we're seeing on the football field at the moment is a consequence of what's happening on the training ground. Teams are focused on high conditioned stuff, working the ball out, taking the hit, don't lose possession, so then in a match situation players find themselves on the ball with their heads down. They hardly look up."

There's a simple reason, he maintains, why Crossmaglen play the way they do — it works. The alternative doesn't, not even for the teams who can play that alternative reasonably well.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on February 20, 2012, 06:51:38 PM
Quote from: Leo on February 19, 2012, 09:47:09 PM
Very quiet on this thread at a time when our football fortunes look bleak.
Does anyone know why Ambrose was not in Cork?
And Gough?
Can we afford to have the likes of McComiskey & O'Reilly opt out?
Is Daniel McCartan (& half the Buren team) untouchable?
Where are Luke Howard & Paul Murphy who would be in my team any day?
Nobody I know knows....
So ???

Luke Howard is in Australia too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on February 20, 2012, 08:46:34 PM
Any word on the New sponsor?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on February 21, 2012, 09:53:02 AM
The under 21s took a serious hammering at the weekend from Armagh.  Is this the best we have to offer at that age group or were there players missing apart form mayobridge players who were on club duty the next day???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on February 21, 2012, 12:57:39 PM
Quote from: alba2 on February 21, 2012, 09:53:02 AM
The under 21s took a serious hammering at the weekend from Armagh.  Is this the best we have to offer at that age group or were there players missing apart form mayobridge players who were on club duty the next day???

Was that in the championship??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on February 21, 2012, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on February 21, 2012, 12:57:39 PM
Quote from: alba2 on February 21, 2012, 09:53:02 AM
The under 21s took a serious hammering at the weekend from Armagh.  Is this the best we have to offer at that age group or were there players missing apart form mayobridge players who were on club duty the next day???

Was that in the championship??

No just a challenge game - but it was a very worrying display from the next crop of players to don the red and black jersey...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on February 21, 2012, 01:31:37 PM
Quote from: alba2 on February 21, 2012, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on February 21, 2012, 12:57:39 PM
Quote from: alba2 on February 21, 2012, 09:53:02 AM
The under 21s took a serious hammering at the weekend from Armagh.  Is this the best we have to offer at that age group or were there players missing apart form mayobridge players who were on club duty the next day???

Was that in the championship??

No just a challenge game - but it was a very worrying display from the next crop of players to don the red and black jersey...

When is the U21 championship then? I know nothing about it this year, seems to be fairly low on the radar compared to previous years, maybe its because this team isnt as good as the last few years?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on February 21, 2012, 02:18:19 PM
Under 21s play on March 21 against Antrim.  I would like to think they will beat the saffrons - but going on the display at the weekend - i fear for that happening too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 21, 2012, 02:19:29 PM
Any idea of team that played? Or best players in panel etc?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 21, 2012, 03:03:56 PM
The equivalent Down minor side from three years ago got to an AI semi and, apart from conceding two poor goals, could even have made the final, so it would be surprising if we have completely fallen apart at u21 level.

The team which lost to Mayo at Croke Park was;  J Deeny; R Doran, S McNamee, D O'Hanlon; K McClorey, C McClean, F McEvoy (0-1) ; K Quinn, N McParland; C Clarke, R White, C Mooney (0-3) ; D McKibben, R McGarry (0-5, 2f, 1 '45) , M Bagnall. Subs -R O'Hare for Bagnall (39), M Haughey for Clarke (41), P Quinn for McKibben (45), K Maguire for Deeny (54).

Mooney is of course in Melbourne and a huge loss by any standards, but most of the rest are still around. The Mayobridge players, particularly Quinn, would not have been involved in the friendly against Armagh. McParland is in our National League squad, McKibben started in the McKenna Cup and Clarke is heading for the Sigerson with UUJ, so there are some decent prospects there. O'Hanlon, McGarry and Bagnall also had strong potential, so we shoud not just be there to make up the numbers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on February 21, 2012, 06:20:49 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 21, 2012, 03:03:56 PM
The equivalent Down minor side from three years ago got to an AI semi and, apart from conceding two poor goals, could even have made the final, so it would be surprising if we have completely fallen apart at u21 level.

The team which lost to Mayo at Croke Park was;  J Deeny; R Doran, S McNamee, D O'Hanlon; K McClorey, C McClean, F McEvoy (0-1) ; K Quinn, N McParland; C Clarke, R White, C Mooney (0-3) ; D McKibben, R McGarry (0-5, 2f, 1 '45) , M Bagnall. Subs -R O'Hare for Bagnall (39), M Haughey for Clarke (41), P Quinn for McKibben (45), K Maguire for Deeny (54).

Mooney is of course in Melbourne and a huge loss by any standards, but most of the rest are still around. The Mayobridge players, particularly Quinn, would not have been involved in the friendly against Armagh. McParland is in our National League squad, McKibben started in the McKenna Cup and Clarke is heading for the Sigerson with UUJ, so there are some decent prospects there. O'Hanlon, McGarry and Bagnall also had strong potential, so we shoud not just be there to make up the numbers.

Most of the team from other night was - j deeny, Chrissy Magee, Gerard Mc Govern, David Mc Entee, Dara O'Hanlon, ???, ??? N Mc Parland, ??? Ross Mc Garry, Chris Clarke, Matty Bagnall, Danny Savage, Madine, Donal O'Hare

R Doran aint even playing club football at the minute after a fall out with Glasdrumman, Mc namee, Mc Clorey and Quinn will be additions - especially the latter two as will Gough and Mc Kibbin.  But i dont know if there is much else out there.. Ryan O'Hare came on - but imo he has gone back something serious.  Seems to have bit of a head about himself and has forgotten what made him a feared opponent.  Dara O'Hanlon was skinned the other day by a wee lad rafferty from the armagh senior panel, Bagnall didnt count against a more physical opponent, nor did mc parland in midfield.  David Mc Entee was cleaned out by another armagh senior player.  But who knows with the extras to come back into contention - maybe we will be fine.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 21, 2012, 10:01:39 PM
lads this is just a query  as i havent lived in the county for 18 years but still go to most of the county games. What is the overall standard of coaching like in the county.  we seem to have to go outside county for coaches for the county panel. i know cork was a disaster but they looked like they had never played together before or had even the ability to read the game.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: onefaircounty on February 21, 2012, 10:50:48 PM
Wouldn't say it's Down problems, more Armagh strengths. It is an exceptional Armagh team, one of th best forward lines we've ever had at an underage team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on February 23, 2012, 01:20:17 AM
Must I remember the Kilcoo Seniors beat this Armagh U21 team by 18 points around the start of December 2011 minus their County players, so they couldn't be that hot or is it just a case of them of the Down U21s being weak this year??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 23, 2012, 09:55:08 AM
The under 21 championship is treated shamefully. It is at he wrong time in terms of player development and team development. The best players are training with the county and only come in late to the team. There is limited time for training and as such the teams often don't start to function well as a unit until later in the championship. Which basically means they have to hope to stumble through a few stages before perhaps getting it right and clicking. At this stage one team could be a couple of weeks ahead of another and effectively it is an enormous amount. Basically from one week to the next there could be a big change in a team's performance.

With the organisation and timing being what it is it would make much more sense to play it is a champions league style format with two groups and the group toppers playing in the final. That would reduce the possibility of losing a good team that only are suffering due to lack of cohesiveness for the sake a bit more time.

Armagh may or may not be significantly better than Down, Down may or may not be any use. But what I will say is that this Down U21 panel has lots of talent. There are boys there who have been there and done it for St Colman's, Been to Minor All-Ireland semi-final, Are playing with the county seniors and University first teams. But can that talent all be brought together as a functional unit is a very short time frame - That's a bigger question.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on February 24, 2012, 06:21:31 PM
The Mayobridge match is being shown live on Destination Newry on Sunday from half 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: onefaircounty on February 24, 2012, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on February 23, 2012, 01:20:17 AM
Must I remember the Kilcoo Seniors beat this Armagh U21 team by 18 points around the start of December 2011 minus their County players, so they couldn't be that hot or is it just a case of them of the Down U21s being weak this year??

I'd wager a guess and say a lot of our first teasers did not play that night.  They are very hot, trust me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 24, 2012, 09:57:50 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on February 24, 2012, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on February 23, 2012, 01:20:17 AM
Must I remember the Kilcoo Seniors beat this Armagh U21 team by 18 points around the start of December 2011 minus their County players, so they couldn't be that hot or is it just a case of them of the Down U21s being weak this year??

I'd wager a guess and say a lot of our first teasers did not play that night.  They are very hot, trust me.

;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA_Talk on February 25, 2012, 09:12:30 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 24, 2012, 09:57:50 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on February 24, 2012, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on February 23, 2012, 01:20:17 AM
Must I remember the Kilcoo Seniors beat this Armagh U21 team by 18 points around the start of December 2011 minus their County players, so they couldn't be that hot or is it just a case of them of the Down U21s being weak this year??

I'd wager a guess and say a lot of our first teasers did not play that night.  They are very hot, trust me.

;D

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on February 25, 2012, 12:01:10 PM
Quote from: GAA_Talk on February 25, 2012, 09:12:30 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 24, 2012, 09:57:50 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on February 24, 2012, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on February 23, 2012, 01:20:17 AM
Must I remember the Kilcoo Seniors beat this Armagh U21 team by 18 points around the start of December 2011 minus their County players, so they couldn't be that hot or is it just a case of them of the Down U21s being weak this year??

I'd wager a guess and say a lot of our first teasers did not play that night.  They are very hot, trust me.

;D

+1

Jersey tugger?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: onefaircounty on February 25, 2012, 05:38:23 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on February 25, 2012, 12:01:10 PM
Quote from: GAA_Talk on February 25, 2012, 09:12:30 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 24, 2012, 09:57:50 PM
Quote from: onefaircounty on February 24, 2012, 09:29:30 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on February 23, 2012, 01:20:17 AM
Must I remember the Kilcoo Seniors beat this Armagh U21 team by 18 points around the start of December 2011 minus their County players, so they couldn't be that hot or is it just a case of them of the Down U21s being weak this year??

I'd wager a guess and say a lot of our first teasers did not play that night.  They are very hot, trust me.



;D

+1

Jersey tugger?

It was in response to the poster saying they mustn't be that hot, but still  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 25, 2012, 08:34:13 PM
Just back from two great days entertainment at sigerson weekend in Galway where many Down lads where in action. Well done to Conor Laverty on guiding Trinity College Dublin to the Trench cup with Down lads Mickey Boyle (Rostrevor) and Luke Turley (Loughinisland) part of the winning team. Aaron Brannigan (Kilcoo), Fergal Doyle (An Riocht), Michael Higgins (Ballymartin) and Rory Sharvin (Kilclief) all featured for Liverpool Hope who came up against a well drilled and physically stronger Trinity side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 25, 2012, 09:18:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 25, 2012, 08:34:13 PM
Just back from two great days entertainment at sigerson weekend in Galway where many Down lads where in action. Well done to Conor Laverty on guiding Trinity College Dublin to the Trench cup with Down lads Mickey Boyle (Rostrevor) and Luke Turley (Loughinisland) part of the winning team. Aaron Brannigan (Kilcoo), Fergal Doyle (An Riocht), Michael Higgins (Ballymartin) and Rory Sharvin (Kilclief) all featured for Liverpool Hope who came up against a well drilled and physically stronger Trinity side.

Heard Kilcoo played Down U21 today MDG, were u at it?? Apparently there was a few very heavy heavy brawls  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on February 25, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
Heard that myself this evening Red and Black. Apparently Poucher was involved in starting it aswell but with every row there's always two sides of the story. Down only won by 4 points which is a more worrying story but they were missing the Bridge lads while Kilcoo were very short aswell. All the best to Mayobridge in tomorrow final! They're a great outfit!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 25, 2012, 10:37:08 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on February 25, 2012, 09:18:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on February 25, 2012, 08:34:13 PM
Just back from two great days entertainment at sigerson weekend in Galway where many Down lads where in action. Well done to Conor Laverty on guiding Trinity College Dublin to the Trench cup with Down lads Mickey Boyle (Rostrevor) and Luke Turley (Loughinisland) part of the winning team. Aaron Brannigan (Kilcoo), Fergal Doyle (An Riocht), Michael Higgins (Ballymartin) and Rory Sharvin (Kilclief) all featured for Liverpool Hope who came up against a well drilled and physically stronger Trinity side.

Heard Kilcoo played Down U21 today MDG, were u at it?? Apparently there was a few very heavy heavy brawls  :P
Never got to it as I was at Sigerson final but have since heard it was feisty enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 25, 2012, 10:48:30 PM
Good luck to Mayobridge tomorrow in Creggan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on February 25, 2012, 10:55:49 PM
Is it just a coincidence that any game with Poucher involved alwats seems to have an incident or 2 ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on February 26, 2012, 09:53:35 AM
From what i heard this was just pure thuggery from Kilcoo.  Standing Punching Boys on the head area 4 or 5 times when the ref was at other end of pitch. Nothing to do with poucher apart from when he seen this happening to reacted to protect his players (which any right thinking person would do)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 26, 2012, 03:15:44 PM
Half time from Creggan in Ulster Under 21 final
Mayobridge 1-4 Omagh St. Endas 1-4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 26, 2012, 04:04:32 PM
Final score st Endas omagh 1-11 Mayobridge 2-7. Ronan ONeill wit 1-6, amazing talent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on February 26, 2012, 08:42:40 PM
Any truth in the reports from Kilcoo and Under 21's. I think competitive challenge games is what any team needs particularly our county teams but reports of fighting are not good.

If Kilcoo used this challenge as a way of settling old scores from club games its not ideal. In saying that I would say the under 21's were sent out and told not to hold back and they got what they looked for. A good physical battle. As is the case alot of the time, reports of fight night probably exaggerated.

Armagh, Tyrone and the likes wont be standing of them in the championship letting them get a breather when the ball is up the field, so I'd honestly say a good test of their mettle wont do any harm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 27, 2012, 02:51:06 PM
Kilcoo are repeat offenders at this down through the years and the co board should  sanction them on behaviour on the field. It is no surprise that Poucher was involved and He will be trouble with the noisy neighbours this year. BTW if any of our noisy neighbours want to see Ulster winners medals they should take a trip down to our club and be shown around :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 27, 2012, 09:38:53 PM
Sunday in Newry is a big game, and some decent displays from our representatives on the Ulster team should have given us at least a bit of a lift, but it is still hard to work out what our starting line-up will be against Kerry.

McVeigh will not have been happy to concede four goals against Cork, and his kick-outs were of mixed quality, but his experience should get him the nod.

Gordon realistically has to switch to full back, whether or not big Donaghy is facing him there, but the corner backs could be any of a number of permutations. Gerard McCartan has been struggling for form and fitness at county level, but on his Sigerson form may be worth another look. Quinn would have been a good bet in the other corner, but is likely to be out injured, so Garvey could be switched there to tighten us up.

Doyle and McKernan will almost certainly start in the half backs, and McParland might complete the line, but anything is possible at midfield. Turley has been decent, and should be in there, while McArdle, although raw, has at least some potential and might slot in as well. We will hopefully see Ambrose at some stage

Poland and, if fit, Hughes will presumably be at wing half forward, with both dropping back to provide some much-needed extra cover. Carr has been reasonable rather than brilliant, but should get the nod through his free-taking, and Laverty was quite effective against Donegal when he dropped deep.

King might also be needed at midfield, but he was starting to look the part at full forward in the McKenna Cup and he would take at least some of the pressure off Benny, who prefers to operate from the left wing these days.

This would mean McVeigh; G McCartan, Gordon, Garvey; McParland, Doyle, McKernan; Turley, McArdle; Hughes, Carr, Poland; Laverty, King, Coulter, although it may all look very different on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 27, 2012, 10:18:56 PM
Irish News tweeting the following:

Irish News Sport‏@irishnewssport

In tomoro's Irish News: Down ace ready to come back after holding talks with Mourne management team...

Any idea who it is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on February 27, 2012, 10:57:59 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 27, 2012, 10:18:56 PM
Irish News tweeting the following:

Irish News Sport‏@irishnewssport

In tomoro's Irish News: Down ace ready to come back after holding talks with Mourne management team...

Any idea who it is?

Greg Blaney??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on February 27, 2012, 11:12:27 PM
Greg Blaney ? Hope So
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on February 27, 2012, 11:44:34 PM
Could it be either Jamie O Reilly going to join the panel or Ronan Murtagh back on board
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 27, 2012, 11:46:43 PM
Probably McComiskey!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 28, 2012, 12:10:19 AM
John Clarke?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 28, 2012, 09:02:17 AM
Quote from: supersub on February 27, 2012, 11:46:43 PM
Probably McComiskey!

Yes, according to IN.
I hope he rediscovers the form he had in 2010 when he was our best player in the All-Ireland Final.
And I hope that the management have learned from losing that day (cork didn't as much win it as we lost it) that other players are not "untouchable", leading them to take off the best forward we had.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 28, 2012, 09:04:18 AM
McComiskey it is. Hopefully the break has refreshed the lad. Be a great boost to our attack. Could be a very useful impact man to bring on in up incoming league games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on February 28, 2012, 10:43:11 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 27, 2012, 10:18:56 PM
Irish News tweeting the following:

Irish News Sport‏@irishnewssport

In tomoro's Irish News: Down ace ready to come back after holding talks with Mourne management team...

Any idea who it is?

Holding talks? Sounds like contract negotiations ffs!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 28, 2012, 09:03:21 PM
Good to hear Paul is back, will be a welcome addition to the inside line.

On Mourne Rover's point, very difficult to predict Sunday's team.  Hughes, Garvey, McGinn, B McArdle should be fully fit and Rooney is back in training.  Add to this the availability of A McArdle and McKernan and things a looking a bit better player fitness wise anyway.  It remains a mystery on Ambrose fitness and where exactly he fits at the min.  If he wasnt deemed fit enough or in good enough form to make the trip to Cork, I doubt he will start against Kerry.  I could see James picking something like this even though it wouldnt exactly be my choice.

McVeigh
G McCartan
Gordon
B McArdle
McKernan
Doyle
Garvey
Turley
A McArdle
Hughes
Carr
McGinn
Lavery
Coulter
Poland

A very small forward line which could see King coming in but James likes McGinn and I dont see him dropping Poland or Carr at this stage.  I also have worries about McKernan and Doyle on the one defensive line but think James will go for that.  If Rooney was fully fit I would try him at FB which would let Gordon stay out the field but that could be an option firther down the line.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 28, 2012, 10:56:53 PM
It would be very surprising if King did not start the game, either at midfield, wing half forward or full forward. Whitegoodman is probably right that Benny McArdle will be at corner back if available, but Rooney has been tried at full back on several previous occasions - going back to the USC of 2007 - and it simply did not work. The only real option to Gordon at no 3 might be Turley, although Garvey could also be worth a look.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 29, 2012, 12:42:20 AM
Quote from: Leo on February 28, 2012, 09:02:17 AM
Quote from: supersub on February 27, 2012, 11:46:43 PM
Probably McComiskey!

Yes, according to IN.
I hope he rediscovers the form he had in 2010 when he was our best player in the All-Ireland Final.
And I hope that the management have learned from losing that day (cork didn't as much win it as we lost it) that other players are not "untouchable", leading them to take off the best forward we had.

Thought so, a lot more than a back injury keeping him away thus far
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on February 29, 2012, 07:50:19 AM
Benny McArdle is the best option at FB and should have been persevered with there. I also think Turley coud add to what is required in that position but so far the management have not even looked at that. We definitely need Garvey's grit in the half back line.
I think that Carr will struggle to hold his place in the forwards, he is a decent footballer and his frees can be useful but he goes absent for too long in games and in today's high intensity game no team can afford that luxury. With Maginn, Poland, Lavery and McComiskey all pushing to join Hughes, Coulter, Rodgers & possibly King in that sector he will struggle.
With Doyle returning to form at CHB it should allow us to useMcKernan's attacking qualities from wing half back where he can get cover from the likes of Hughes' hard work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 29, 2012, 01:10:45 PM
Rooney played 3 games at FB in Ross Carrs first year in charge and did reasonably well including marking Thomas Freeman in one.  Given that none of the alternatives other than Dan have been great, I dont think he can be dismissed out of hand as an option there.  He has the height and athleticism to play it and having been on the county team for a number of years, hopefully the experience to play it.

Really hope I am proved wrong on McKernan and Doyle but I fear carcrash TV coming on against O Sullivan, Galvin and co.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 29, 2012, 03:28:18 PM
Rooney started as full back and captain in Ross Carr's first championship match, which finished in a draw away to Cavan in 2007. He did reasonably well that day, but was not as effective in the course of the replay and was eventually moved outfield. In his third game, against Monaghan in Newry, he was switched to the corner to mark Freeman with Brendan Grant at full back. By the stage of our fourth and final championship game that summer, at home to Meath in the qualifiers, Ross obviously did not fancy either Rooney or Grant at full back and very surprisingly put John Clarke there instead. It is possible that Rooney could be tried at no 3 again when he regains fitness, but he looks much more suited to the half back line. The truth is that we are lacking in natural defenders across a range of positions, and the full back dilemma is probably a symptom rather than the cause of our wider problems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on February 29, 2012, 04:17:23 PM
I see that Connor Gough has been picked along with Patrick Mc Breaty and Emmet Devlin to attend a 1 week Aussie Rules trial in London . Looks like we could be losing another young prospect
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 29, 2012, 07:03:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 29, 2012, 03:28:18 PM
Rooney started as full back and captain in Ross Carr's first championship match, which finished in a draw away to Cavan in 2007. He did reasonably well that day, but was not as effective in the course of the replay and was eventually moved outfield. In his third game, against Monaghan in Newry, he was switched to the corner to mark Freeman with Brendan Grant at full back. By the stage of our fourth and final championship game that summer, at home to Meath in the qualifiers, Ross obviously did not fancy either Rooney or Grant at full back and very surprisingly put John Clarke there instead. It is possible that Rooney could be tried at no 3 again when he regains fitness, but he looks much more suited to the half back line. The truth is that we are lacking in natural defenders across a range of positions, and the full back dilemma is probably a symptom rather than the cause of our wider problems.

Id like to see Garvey at no.3, even tho his best position is in the half back line, we would have reasonable options there with mc kernan, doyle, hanna, quinn, mc parland, g mc cartan, d turley..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 29, 2012, 07:54:08 PM
I see there is a board discussing the unlikely prospect of ballykinlar and dundrum amalgamating. I was just wondering do any of the mourne posters remember greencastle, lisnacree and kilkeel amalgamating  and was there much controversy at the time. It seemed to work out ok in the end, im from the other end of the county so id know no one from the kingdom but often wondered how things were at the time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on March 01, 2012, 10:30:16 PM
The An Riocht amalgamation wasn't without it's problems. There were many individuals who refused to support the new club but from a football point of view the new club did fairly well. The facilies at Dunavil are far better than Lisnacree or Greencastle could ever have provided and Greencastle probably couldnt have carried on for long with very small numbers.
The main downside of the amalgamation was how hurling & camogie was allowed to die in the area. Kilkeel had been a strong hurling club and while An Riocht won a IHC and JHC inside 6 or 7 years hurling wa dead in the Mourne area and camogie followed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 02, 2012, 12:06:44 AM
The Kerry team for Sunday is as follows:

1. Brendan Kealy (Kilcummin)
2. Marc O Se (An Ghaeltacht) 3. Daniel Bohan (Austin Stacks) 4. Killian Young (Renard)
5. Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers) 6. Aidan O'Mahony (Rathmore) 7. Brian Maguire (Emmets)
8. Anthony Maher (Duagh) 9. Bryan Sheehan (St Marys)
10. Paul Galvin (Finuge) 11. Darran O'Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar) 12. Declan O'Sullivan (Dromid)
13. James O'Donoghue (Legion) 14. Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks) 15. Patrick Curtin (Moyvane)

Apart from them having one of the best half forward lines in the last 20 years...would we not fancy ourselves against this team...we're fcuked at full back as usual but Donaghy is not playing well so we might get away with it...I think we're worth a punt :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA_Talk on March 02, 2012, 07:30:20 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 02, 2012, 12:06:44 AM
The Kerry team for Sunday is as follows:

1. Brendan Kealy (Kilcummin)
2. Marc O Se (An Ghaeltacht) 3. Daniel Bohan (Austin Stacks) 4. Killian Young (Renard)
5. Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers) 6. Aidan O'Mahony (Rathmore) 7. Brian Maguire (Emmets)
8. Anthony Maher (Duagh) 9. Bryan Sheehan (St Marys)
10. Paul Galvin (Finuge) 11. Darran O'Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar) 12. Declan O'Sullivan (Dromid)
13. James O'Donoghue (Legion) 14. Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks) 15. Patrick Curtin (Moyvane)

Apart from them having one of the best half forward lines in the last 20 years...would we not fancy ourselves against this team...we're fcuked at full back as usual but Donaghy is not playing well so we might get away with it...I think we're worth a punt :-\

As an impressive a line up as you'll see start this year. 14 different clubs represented on that starting 15!!

£5 double on Down and Ireland returns about £63 on William Hill :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 02, 2012, 11:25:19 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 02, 2012, 12:06:44 AM
The Kerry team for Sunday is as follows:

1. Brendan Kealy (Kilcummin)
2. Marc O Se (An Ghaeltacht) 3. Daniel Bohan (Austin Stacks) 4. Killian Young (Renard)
5. Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers) 6. Aidan O'Mahony (Rathmore) 7. Brian Maguire (Emmets)
8. Anthony Maher (Duagh) 9. Bryan Sheehan (St Marys)
10. Paul Galvin (Finuge) 11. Darran O'Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar) 12. Declan O'Sullivan (Dromid)
13. James O'Donoghue (Legion) 14. Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks) 15. Patrick Curtin (Moyvane)

Apart from them having one of the best half forward lines in the last 20 years...would we not fancy ourselves against this team...we're fcuked at full back as usual but Donaghy is not playing well so we might get away with it...I think we're worth a punt :-\

Totally agree 5Sams, dont see why we couldnt beat that team. Its a very average looking Kerry defence which we should exploit, as long as we go for it and dont end up with half of our forward line playing the ball across the field in our half  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 02, 2012, 11:40:26 AM
Obviously a very important game for Down this weekend, Kerry are Kerry and no matter what team they have out they will be tough to beat. They seem to have a conveyor belt down there.
got me thinking to the last time Down lost a home league game, i know we drew with Tipp back in division 2 in 2010 but am i right in saying we havent lost at home since Cavan beat us in 2008? i remeber being at it a wet and windy night in Div 3?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 02, 2012, 02:48:18 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 02, 2012, 11:40:26 AM
Obviously a very important game for Down this weekend, Kerry are Kerry and no matter what team they have out they will be tough to beat. They seem to have a conveyor belt down there.
got me thinking to the last time Down lost a home league game, i know we drew with Tipp back in division 2 in 2010 but am i right in saying we havent lost at home since Cavan beat us in 2008? i remeber being at it a wet and windy night in Div 3?
I think that was 2009. 
But you are correct in that we have not been beaten at a home since.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on March 02, 2012, 08:45:37 PM
That's quite a stat there. havign 14 different clubs in a startign 15!

I wonder what a Down team would look like if only 1 player from each club was allowed to be selected? Anyone want to have a go?

1. McVeigh (An Riocht)
2. Rafferty (Newry Shamrocks)
3. Gordan (Loughinisland)
4. McArdle (Annaclone)
5. Carr (Clonduff)
6. McKernan (Burren)
7. Doyle (Liatrom)
8. Turley (Downpatrick)
9. McAreevy (Tullylish)
10. Maginn (Bryansford)
11. Poland (Longstone)
12. Hughes (Saval)
13. Laverty (Kilcoo)
14. Coulter (Mayobridge)
15. McComisky (Dundrum)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 02, 2012, 11:15:29 PM
Paddy Power has us at 11/4 on Sunday, which must be the longest odds we have been given for a home fixture for many years and reflects how atrocious we were in Cork. However, we are in fortress Newry for this game, where we have never lost under James in the league, and it is a fantastic incentive to host Kerry at any stage and in our case I think for the first time since 1989.

Big Kallum is back from suspension, Danny Hughes will hopefully be fully fit and we are told that Ambrose will definitely be involved, so those are three massive boosts. We are taking on probably the best half forward line in the National League, but we will be looking to Hughes and Poland to drop back and cut out the space in front of them.

It is a massive game and it will tell us if we have any right to believe we can have a rattle at the USC and beyond this summer. I can't wait.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 03, 2012, 05:17:15 PM
Which primary school won the competition to design the new sign outside Park Esler?
Have a look at it tomorrow, it is awful, a messy affair witha graphic on it that looks like a paint splash and -in the middle- surely the most prominent begging letter in Down.
It says nothing about Down other than that we have no sponsor.
Come to think of it, a primary school competition to design it would have been a far better idea.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 04, 2012, 09:51:54 AM
Looks like we are back to the dark days of Ross and DJ with no team announced yet . Will we only find out when the team takes the field ? I think this is a sign that not only do we not know who is playing but possibly the management also dont know . When James took over it was great to see the team in the papers on either a thursday or Friday but not no more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 04, 2012, 12:07:40 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on March 04, 2012, 09:51:54 AM
Looks like we are back to the dark days of Ross and DJ with no team announced yet . Will we only find out when the team takes the field ? I think this is a sign that not only do we not know who is playing but possibly the management also dont know . When James took over it was great to see the team in the papers on either a thursday or Friday but not no more

From reading the papers we seem to be the only county with no team selection announced - with just 2 hours to go to the game!
Must be the Down way we hear so much about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 04, 2012, 04:59:11 PM
Poor enough display today. We went the wayside in defensive terms in the 2nd half. We are also lacking incisevness and natural score takers in the attack.

This was a less than stellar Kerry team and I felt especially in the 2nd half that we were chasing shadows. Dan had a decent game around the middle and Laverty tried hard to bring the game to the Kerrymen when he was brought out the field.

There was plenty of effort from the players today but unfortunately it didn't pay of. We face a real battle to stay in this Division now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 04, 2012, 06:14:28 PM
Hard to know what the plan is at present -but we need to sharpen up on and off the field.
First things first. For a county who leads the way in communication and have pioneered some very innovative ideas this season, someone needs to take control . It is not good enough for supporters not to know the team before the game. You set out your fifteen with confidence and make your statement. There is no advantage to the opposition, just confusion for supporters and , it looks like, players also.
Secondly, the programme has a team which is different than the team who takes the field. So why buy a programme ?Then you have a substitution where the programme states that 25 is Marcus Miskelly, the announcer states that is Marcus Miskelly, presumably the TV commentator states it is Marcus Miskelly. Yet Gerard Mc Cartan comes on at 25. Now, for the players involved, their families,their clubs and the Communication people etc- this is an insult. The PRO must be well pissed off and the County Board need to sort it.
Thirdly, the team that lined out was probably about right as we must assume that Doyler is injured - not sure why Carr didn't start- but why not start Ambrose?I thought the defence did OK in the first half- while Costello got caught out once, he defended well and could feel unlucky to be called ashore before half-time.Peter Turley, Big Dan and King were good and Damien Turley and Daniel Mc Cartan had reasonable games. Poly , Maginn and Danny put in good shifts, Laverty is good value, Benny was marked out of it (again) while Arthur Mc Conville / Eoin Mc Cartan just aren't up to it.
Finally, we need a bit more passion . Ambrose is the natural leader and with no Marty Clarke to orchestrate the attack, it is going to be a long hard season. We should have been ahead at half-time but the last 20 minutes were close to embarassing. The Bandwagon jumpers will soon disappear which is no bad thing as some of the shouts from the crowd are pathetic. Ah well...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on March 04, 2012, 06:50:17 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 04, 2012, 06:14:28 PM
Hard to know what the plan is at present -but we need to sharpen up on and off the field.
First things first. For a county who leads the way in communication and have pioneered some very innovative ideas this season, someone needs to take control . It is not good enough for supporters not to know the team before the game. You set out your fifteen with confidence and make your statement. There is no advantage to the opposition, just confusion for supporters and , it looks like, players also.
Secondly, the programme has a team which is different than the team who takes the field. So why buy a programme ?Then you have a substitution where the programme states that 25 is Marcus Miskelly, the announcer states that is Marcus Miskelly, presumably the TV commentator states it is Marcus Miskelly. Yet Gerard Mc Cartan comes on at 25. Now, for the players involved, their families,their clubs and the Communication people etc- this is an insult. The PRO must be well pissed off and the County Board need to sort it.
Thirdly, the team that lined out was probably about right as we must assume that Doyler is injured - not sure why Carr didn't start- but why not start Ambrose?I thought the defence did OK in the first half- while Costello got caught out once, he defended well and could feel unlucky to be called ashore before half-time.Peter Turley, Big Dan and King were good and Damien Turley and Daniel Mc Cartan had reasonable games. Poly , Maginn and Danny put in good shifts, Laverty is good value, Benny was marked out of it (again) while Arthur Mc Conville / Eoin Mc Cartan just aren't up to it.
Finally, we need a bit more passion . Ambrose is the natural leader and with no Marty Clarke to orchestrate the attack, it is going to be a long hard season. We should have been ahead at half-time but the last 20 minutes were close to embarassing. The Bandwagon jumpers will soon disappear which is no bad thing as some of the shouts from the crowd are pathetic. Ah well...

thats more than half the team youve mentioned as playing good or reasonable? what match were you watching?

Gordon the only positive for me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 04, 2012, 07:07:22 PM
Confusion on and off the field. A game gifted to a mediocre Kerry team.   Positives were a much improved defensive performance, in so far as breaking down attacks and regaining possession, but still too slow out of defence and were turned over to often. MF just about held their own and won their fair share of Ball. Apart from Hughes and Lavery the attack was largely anonymous  and presented little threat. Poland tried hard to hold up the Ball and be creative, but with no one showing for the Ball it was difficult for him. What really worries me is that at this stage of the season we do not have a settled team, which barring injuries picks itself, and it does not appear that management know who would comprise their best team and what system would best suit them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: seanaglis on March 04, 2012, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: maldini on March 04, 2012, 06:50:17 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 04, 2012, 06:14:28 PM
Hard to know what the plan is at present -but we need to sharpen up on and off the field.
First things first. For a county who leads the way in communication and have pioneered some very innovative ideas this season, someone needs to take control . It is not good enough for supporters not to know the team before the game. You set out your fifteen with confidence and make your statement. There is no advantage to the opposition, just confusion for supporters and , it looks like, players also.
Secondly, the programme has a team which is different than the team who takes the field. So why buy a programme ?Then you have a substitution where the programme states that 25 is Marcus Miskelly, the announcer states that is Marcus Miskelly, presumably the TV commentator states it is Marcus Miskelly. Yet Gerard Mc Cartan comes on at 25. Now, for the players involved, their families,their clubs and the Communication people etc- this is an insult. The PRO must be well pissed off and the County Board need to sort it.
Thirdly, the team that lined out was probably about right as we must assume that Doyler is injured - not sure why Carr didn't start- but why not start Ambrose?I thought the defence did OK in the first half- while Costello got caught out once, he defended well and could feel unlucky to be called ashore before half-time.Peter Turley, Big Dan and King were good and Damien Turley and Daniel Mc Cartan had reasonable games. Poly , Maginn and Danny put in good shifts, Laverty is good value, Benny was marked out of it (again) while Arthur Mc Conville / Eoin Mc Cartan just aren't up to it.
Finally, we need a bit more passion . Ambrose is the natural leader and with no Marty Clarke to orchestrate the attack, it is going to be a long hard season. We should have been ahead at half-time but the last 20 minutes were close to embarassing. The Bandwagon jumpers will soon disappear which is no bad thing as some of the shouts from the crowd are pathetic. Ah well...

thats more than half the team youve mentioned as playing good or reasonable? what match were you watching?

Gordon the only positive for me

Dan McCartan? What game were you watching? All he did was foul his man (when he actually got near him). Sheehan kicked a couple of scores that came from his fouling
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 04, 2012, 07:48:27 PM
I felt sorry for McConville in the ff line. He made plenty of runs but the mf and hf handpassed to death, were very deliberate in the build up and regulary carried the ball into contact and coughed up posession. The 4 or 5 times the ball went in quickly and long he done quite well, set up a few chances won a couple of frees. I thought the half forward line was poor today, maginn, lavery, hughes and poland are too similar, fast and nippy but lack a physical presence. I am not looking forward to enniskillen at the end of may, the draw is not as appealing now as it was when the draw was first made.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sebastion on March 04, 2012, 08:12:47 PM
If anybody is saying that over 50% of Down team had decent games,you were at a different game I was at,Down were poor on the line and even worse on the field
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 04, 2012, 08:17:11 PM
Absolutely shocking today, not a score for the last 20 odd minutes when Kerry were clearly there for the taking. Too many average players playing all over the field and the team look lost playing this defensive side ways hand passing crap  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Marshes on March 04, 2012, 09:16:40 PM
On the pitch: Can't pass, can't catch, can't score. These things are taught at under 6 level. No point in trying 'fancy' systems when they are unable to do the basics. Dan Gordon was the only Down player who would have got on the Kerry team today and that Kerry team were average at best.
But what I was disappointed in the most was the lack of discipline from the players.

Off the pitch: A Down official running the width of the pitch to tell the referee to get on with it when a Kerry player was injured then coming back to the dugout and calling him a 'w**ker' in front of subs and spectators, disgraceful. Also disrespectful to players in the way he spoke to them.

A serious lack of discipline on the sidelines which filtered on to the pitch today. Not good enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 04, 2012, 09:17:04 PM
really poor on and off the field today. whats the big secret about team selection? can it not be named a couple of days before like every other county does. no team announcements over the tannoy today led to confusion for everybody trying to work out who was and wasnt playing. down pride themselves on their PR work, today wasnt their finest hour.
on the field, the less said the better. a very medicore kerry team were ther for the taking. only dan gordan stood out in a very disappointing display
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 04, 2012, 09:36:27 PM
A bitterly cold day and a disappointing display after a reasonably promising start. The failure to name our team in advance has become something of a joke, and suggests a lack of confidence and planning along the sidelines. There were even two further changes from the tean listed in the programme, and the incident when Gerard McCartan came on  wearing the wrong jersey, and was announced over the PA as Marcus Miskelly, completed a poor impression of our set-up.


In fairness, we looked the better side early on and should have been three or four up after ten minutes. Unfortunately, Danny Hughes and Conor Laverty both missed fairly straightforward chances and Arthur McConville put two kickable frees both wide at the near post. Our confidence started to fade away. and Kerry, without being brilliant, eased into a lead which they never really looked like losing.


There was little sign of a game-plan on our part, practically no spark up front and a general lack of leadership which indicated that relegation is going to be hard to avoid on this forn. Mayo, who have won both their games so far, will be a tough place to go next week. On a good day, we are capable of getting something out of the trip, as we did last year, but the mutterings from the stand at the final whistle today did not indicate any great confidence among the regulars about our prospects.


Brendan McVeigh did not have a shot to save, and his clean sheet definitely represented progress after the four goals conceded in Cork. His kick-outs were also decent, apart from one which went straight to the Star.


Owen Costello made a couple of  mistakes but competed well and his replacement two minutes before the break was harsh. A more prominent player from a bigger club would very likely have been left on until half-time. Daniel McCartan had a ropey first half but improved as the game wore on.  Our best defender was Conor Garvey, who had a fine game even after his early yellow card and might be a long-term option at full back. His second yellow late on made no real difference to the result.


Peter Turley did well at centre half, apart from one misplaced pass, and his replacement was a surprise. Damien Turley was OK, without making a huge impact, while Choc Brannigan worked very hard without looking convincing.


Our midfield completed well, and Kallum King still got his tackles in after his early yellow. Dan Gordon had a fine game, giving big Donaghy very little room and kicked one of the best points of the day.


Most of our problems were up front, where the individual performances were not all bad but we never clicked as a unit and we lacked any real focal point. Hughes, Poland and Maginn covered a huge amount of ground without really hurting Kerry, and while they all had their moments, they may be too similar to start in the same half forward line.


McConville, apart from one catch late on, did not look comfortable and might have been replaced earlier. Laverty had some brilliant touches, but was in and out of the game. He could easily have received a straight red for appearing to drop his knee on a defender on the ground,  but the referee, who made a few iffy calls, somehow concluded that he was on a second yellow and sent him off. The way in which Laverty successfully convinced the linesman that a mistake had been made was the most entertaining episode of the day.


Benny's display was a concern, and his league form generally has not been what we would expect. A goal might get him up and runimg, but - unless he is carrying another injury - the familiar burst of pace and the explosive turns have been sadly lacking.


Few of our subs made an impact, although it was great to see Ambrose at least make a couple of runs with the ball. His recovery has been very slow, but we need him badly. Having Liam Doyle back would also give us a big lift, as would his frees,  but it is a worry that he seems to struggle to play consecutive games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on March 04, 2012, 11:19:48 PM
Not sure what game some people were at today with the previous comments. But i dont care what club costello is from - he got cleaned end off.  there were people sitting beside me and every time the ball went near him and his marker - there were nervous echoes around the place.  the lad is out of his depth - but is not on his own.  Arthur Mc Conville on our county team - i have seen it all.  i have seen very ordinary club players boss him about in club games and there he is in full forward for Down seniors today.  Had a couple of frees to settle him into the game and fluffed them.  Aidan Brannigan running about the place throwing in late challenges and acting the hard man with galvin - im sure Galvin was thinking to himself who is this prat.  So Galvin just done what he does best - got possession and linked play.  Someone said garvey had decent game - what the ****? Declan O'Sullivan gave a masterclass today in gaining possession - holding possession - linking play and indeed scoring - all four things mentioned are what you expect from your forwards - so what did Garvey do that was so good i ask?  Midfield - is Kalum King the stupidest person in down - he watched one of the defenders getting booked for third man tackle - so what does he do twice in the next two mins - third man tackles.  He was lucky he wasn booked th first time.  Big dan was good - impressive on a good player and kicked few scores which were good efforts.
As regards the naming of the team - a complete disgrace and the supporters should act with their hands in the pockets at the next home game and buy no programmes.  this is not on and calling out a wrong players name going into the fray is a joke too.  the line seem to question everything by the referee and the linesman - i read recently that Kerry were being accused of being yaps - they need to look at down.  But all is not lost - 4 games left and i feel it will come down to the derby with Armagh.  That is d day for both teams i feel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 04, 2012, 11:27:45 PM
MR, I usually wait for your post before trying to make sense of any game and again you are not too far off the mark - but for me the highlight of a "DIRE" performance was Laverty squaring up to the Star in the second half.
Gordon played them on his own, a salutory lesson to those who would confine him to the square after the stupid experiment that has gone on for far too long in our full back line.
Who was full back today? Was it Turley (at last) a natural for that position but who has never played there for county before? Or Garvey, who is our most effective half back since the days of Wilie Doyle?
I know positions are fluid in the game but I'd still be happier to have a settled no.3  - a key position - and, three years into this management, not only do I not know where we are with this but neither do they!!
As for the failure to announce a team, and no public announcement at the game,
(a) I purchsaed a programme for £3 where the team has no relationship to that which lined out and numbers are all over the show
(b) the bloody loudspeaker never stopped with adverts for tea a and soup and calls for obeying stewards and such crap but no announcement of the actual team
and
(c) I went home and watched on TG4 where the commentators had Arthur McConville as Anton McArdle.
Who is in charge here?

I'm thinking the team reflects our organisation at present - the so-called "Dow Way". F**k!
We are becoming a joke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 04, 2012, 11:45:38 PM
Quote from: alba2 on March 04, 2012, 11:19:48 PM
Not sure what game some people were at today with the previous comments. But i dont care what club costello is from - he got cleaned end off.  there were people sitting beside me and every time the ball went near him and his marker - there were nervous echoes around the place.  the lad is out of his depth - but is not on his own.  Arthur Mc Conville on our county team - i have seen it all.  i have seen very ordinary club players boss him about in club games and there he is in full forward for Down seniors today.  Had a couple of frees to settle him into the game and fluffed them.  Aidan Brannigan running about the place throwing in late challenges and acting the hard man with galvin - im sure Galvin was thinking to himself who is this prat.  So Galvin just done what he does best - got possession and linked play.  Someone said garvey had decent game - what the ****? Declan O'Sullivan gave a masterclass today in gaining possession - holding possession - linking play and indeed scoring - all four things mentioned are what you expect from your forwards - so what did Garvey do that was so good i ask?  Midfield - is Kalum King the stupidest person in down - he watched one of the defenders getting booked for third man tackle - so what does he do twice in the next two mins - third man tackles.  He was lucky he wasn booked th first time.  Big dan was good - impressive on a good player and kicked few scores which were good efforts.
As regards the naming of the team - a complete disgrace and the supporters should act with their hands in the pockets at the next home game and buy no programmes.  this is not on and calling out a wrong players name going into the fray is a joke too.  the line seem to question everything by the referee and the linesman - i read recently that Kerry were being accused of being yaps - they need to look at down.  But all is not lost - 4 games left and i feel it will come down to the derby with Armagh.  That is d day for both teams i feel.

I dare you to share your true identity
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 05, 2012, 10:24:02 AM
Yesterday was a shambles in every aspect. Umpire's that couldn't do their one job, A referee that couldn't remember who he'd booked, a programme with team sheets that were totally incorrect, an announcer that didn't know his own players, coaches that showed disrespect to officials, and most importantly players that looked like they wanted to be somewhere else (on both sides).

Having said that disappointing as it was it is not a reflection of what will happen in June. And it is not the team that will be desired for June. Going on the impression that James now seems to favour three big men around the middle you could say that Gordon, Ambrose, Turley. would all start. In addition Gerrard McCartan will come in at full back, Doyler and McKernan and half back, possibly Rooney will be added. Mcomiskey will be fit and King will possibly start on the square. That is a dramatically different team to yesterday.

However, although those changes would help to gain more possession, yesterday we didn't suffer too badly from possession. The problem was a total lack of penetration. In addition we missed half a dozen free kicks. Kick outs were interminably slow and allowed all runners to be marked up. McVeigh needs to start being sharper and taking notice of runners. A two-man full forward line is not working as Benny is too easily marked out of it.

But all is far from lost and hopefully a bad day like this can glaringly highlight where improvements need to be made.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 05, 2012, 12:06:15 PM
A couple of points about the recent comments. If our firm policy is to take off a player who makes a mistake,  fair enough. However, Down players made mistakes all over the pitch yesterday without that happening. The one who was singled over was a relative newcomer from a D4 club, two minutes before the break. There is very little chance that an established player from one of our main clubs would be treated in that way, and it left a bad taste.

Garvey was up against a very fine opponent yesterday, got a fairly harsh yellow after five minutes and still competed well, winning his share of the ball and giving away practically no frees. He operates on the edge sometimes, but we need some guile at the back if we are to progress.

Gordon's period at full back is unlikely to be over, as he was fairly clearly told to do a marking job on Donaghy yesterday. Donaghy was named at full forward but spent the entire game out the field. Gordon more than matched him, and kicked two outstanding points, but our fragile defence means that he may still be needed on the square.

Peter Turley has been tried at full back before, in the USC away to Fermanagh in 2009, and should certainly be given a run in the same position again.

Our main problems were at the other end, as we still have too many talented and fast but light forwards. We need at least one ball winner down the middle, and putting Kallum King at full forward in Mayo may be a start.

We also have to hope that Benny, a hero for the last 12 seasons, begins to find his form. Another game like yesterday would mean that he may no longer be regarded as an automatic starter, but a goal would  change everything
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 05, 2012, 12:40:28 PM
Lads just a few points on some of the comments above. Benny and his "supposed loss of form". He was marked in turn by two very good players in Ó Sé and O'Mahoney yesterday who have a bucketload of AI medals between them.
Coulter was outstanding in the Railway Cup last week. He could hardly have lost his form since then.

I said earlier in the week that we had a chance against what I thought was a "weaker" Kerry team than normal. Bollix..there was nothing weak about them and they gave us a lesson in holding possession and opening up scoring chances for colleagues. Keane and Galvin pulled the strings while Sullivan and Sheehan punsihed us for indiscipline and poor marking. Down hadn't got the same nouse or guile when building an attack from the halfway line onwards and ran down blind alleys most of the time. This led to Coulter being starved of good ball to open up the Kerry defence.

On the programme issue...someone said that we should stop buying programmes as a protest....there's no sense in that as the guys who put the programme together (Down Supporters Club??) can only work with what Wee James and his team give them.

As for the PA...the announcer simply hadn't a clue....not one word of Irish....getting his own players names wrong....fcuk sake who in the county doesnt know who Aidan Carr is >:(....I have done the job myself in the past and while it is not easy..... a little preparation goes a long way....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 05, 2012, 01:20:12 PM
5sams Im sorry but that was the weakest Kerry side I have seen in years.  If you take Mark O'shea out of their defence it is average, their midfield was average and aside from  terrific players in Declan O'Sullivan and Galvin, their forward line was average.  Donaghy is living off form from 3 or 4 years ago.  He played at wing forward for the majority of the game yesterday and didnt want to know, partly down to Dan Gordon and partly down to his attitude.  The first half display from both teams was brutal.  Could you imagine what they would have done against us with Darren O Sullivan and Cooper playing!!!!

On Down, its pretty depressing to see how far back we have gone in 2 years.  The freshness, inventiveness, cheekiness and general threat from our forward line is completely gone.  Some of this may be down to the manager, the new coach, no marty clarke or maybe the effects on some of the hatfield last monday night!!!!

You will not win any games with maginn, poland, hughes and lavery in the one forward line at the same time.  All lovely footballers but as could be noted by one point in the first half yesterday when there were 3 or 4 lovely passes out the field only to be dispossessed by bigger more powerful men.  Big 2 of them max, my preference being Hughes and McCumisky when fit.  Whatever McConville is doing in training failed to show yesterday and if he was playing for free taking this didnt work either.  Poland didnt seem to have any confidence from frees either and when u compare this to Sheean we are miles apart.  Coulter looks a shadow of what he was a year or 2 back and shouldnt be immune from getting the curley finger if required.  He is still our inspiration and leader but we badly need him to start firing like he can.  Eoin McCartan was unable to have any effect on the game as has been the case in the last number of games he has been introduced.  Last year and 2 years ago we seemed to have options to come on and make a contribution but this seems to have gone.  Come back clarkes and murtagh, please.

Il get to the defence, midfield and management when Im a little less depressed.........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 05, 2012, 01:21:20 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 05, 2012, 12:06:15 PM
If our firm policy is to take off a player who makes a mistake,  fair enough.

Surely that cannot be true? Is it?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 05, 2012, 01:24:04 PM
No its not the case.  He made at least 3 mistakes that i can recall straight away and was saved by Dan Gordon from his man getting a certain goal.  IMO he was struggling but they should have waited to half time given there was only a few minutes left.  In fairness any one of the forwards could have went with him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 05, 2012, 01:49:40 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 05, 2012, 01:20:12 PM
5sams Im sorry but that was the weakest Kerry side I have seen in years.  If you take Mark O'shea out of their defence it is average, their midfield was average and aside from  terrific players in Declan O'Sullivan and Galvin, their forward line was average.  Donaghy is living off form from 3 or 4 years ago.  He played at wing forward for the majority of the game yesterday and didnt want to know, partly down to Dan Gordon and partly down to his attitude.  The first half display from both teams was brutal.  Could you imagine what they would have done against us with Darren O Sullivan and Cooper playing!!!!

On Down, its pretty depressing to see how far back we have gone in 2 years.  The freshness, inventiveness, cheekiness and general threat from our forward line is completely gone.  Some of this may be down to the manager, the new coach, no marty clarke or maybe the effects on some of the hatfield last monday night!!!!

You will not win any games with maginn, poland, hughes and lavery in the one forward line at the same time.  All lovely footballers but as could be noted by one point in the first half yesterday when there were 3 or 4 lovely passes out the field only to be dispossessed by bigger more powerful men.  Big 2 of them max, my preference being Hughes and McCumisky when fit.  Whatever McConville is doing in training failed to show yesterday and if he was playing for free taking this didnt work either.  Poland didnt seem to have any confidence from frees either and when u compare this to Sheean we are miles apart.  Coulter looks a shadow of what he was a year or 2 back and shouldnt be immune from getting the curley finger if required.  He is still our inspiration and leader but we badly need him to start firing like he can.  Eoin McCartan was unable to have any effect on the game as has been the case in the last number of games he has been introduced.  Last year and 2 years ago we seemed to have options to come on and make a contribution but this seems to have gone.  Come back clarkes and murtagh, please.

Il get to the defence, midfield and management when Im a little less depressed.........

You mention the word "some" and are refering to our forward line, so enlighten us then, who the f**k out of Danny Hughes, Mark Poland, Conor Maginn, Benny Coulter, Conor Laverty and Arthur Mc Conville would be in the Hatfield on a Monday night???

You werent there yourself so why feel the need to post a load of bullshit  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 05, 2012, 02:08:58 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 05, 2012, 01:24:04 PM
No its not the case.  He made at least 3 mistakes that i can recall straight away and was saved by Dan Gordon from his man getting a certain goal.  IMO he was struggling but they should have waited to half time given there was only a few minutes left.  In fairness any one of the forwards could have went with him.

I wouldn't be particularly concerned about an individual person or incident but if a manager sends out a team who are already under enough pressure by telling them that if you make a mistake then you'll be taken off then you'll get lads afraid to do anything other than offload responsibility to someone else as soon as they can. Its hardly going to help morale or build confidence in a player looking over their shoulder all the time.

I'd surprised that McCartan sends his team out with that on their mind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sheamy on March 05, 2012, 02:18:58 PM
Lads, calm down.

You take Marty Clarke and Paul McComiskey, two of the best footballers to come through in Ulster in recent times, out of any team and they'll struggle. Those two ran the show in 2010 along with Kevin McKernan (also missing). Throw Liam Doyle into the mix too.

It's Feb/March on sticky pitches. It doesn't suit Down who are obviously experimenting with a few things. Sometimes they work. Most of the time they don't.

Down will be in an Ulster final come July I expect and won't be far away. Save your judgement for then.

(Aye, and quit slagging off volunteers too! Calling out a mans name wrong used to be a bit o'craic. Like alot of the rest in the GAA, you need to lighten up.)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on March 05, 2012, 02:51:14 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 04, 2012, 11:45:38 PM
Quote from: alba2 on March 04, 2012, 11:19:48 PM
Not sure what game some people were at today with the previous comments. But i dont care what club costello is from - he got cleaned end off.  there were people sitting beside me and every time the ball went near him and his marker - there were nervous echoes around the place.  the lad is out of his depth - but is not on his own.  Arthur Mc Conville on our county team - i have seen it all.  i have seen very ordinary club players boss him about in club games and there he is in full forward for Down seniors today.  Had a couple of frees to settle him into the game and fluffed them.  Aidan Brannigan running about the place throwing in late challenges and acting the hard man with galvin - im sure Galvin was thinking to himself who is this prat.  So Galvin just done what he does best - got possession and linked play.  Someone said garvey had decent game - what the ****? Declan O'Sullivan gave a masterclass today in gaining possession - holding possession - linking play and indeed scoring - all four things mentioned are what you expect from your forwards - so what did Garvey do that was so good i ask?  Midfield - is Kalum King the stupidest person in down - he watched one of the defenders getting booked for third man tackle - so what does he do twice in the next two mins - third man tackles.  He was lucky he wasn booked th first time.  Big dan was good - impressive on a good player and kicked few scores which were good efforts.
As regards the naming of the team - a complete disgrace and the supporters should act with their hands in the pockets at the next home game and buy no programmes.  this is not on and calling out a wrong players name going into the fray is a joke too.  the line seem to question everything by the referee and the linesman - i read recently that Kerry were being accused of being yaps - they need to look at down.  But all is not lost - 4 games left and i feel it will come down to the derby with Armagh.  That is d day for both teams i feel.

I dare you to share your true identity

If GAAboard had a like button i would like this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on March 05, 2012, 06:53:29 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on March 05, 2012, 02:51:14 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 04, 2012, 11:45:38 PM
Quote from: alba2 on March 04, 2012, 11:19:48 PM
Not sure what game some people were at today with the previous comments. But i dont care what club costello is from - he got cleaned end off.  there were people sitting beside me and every time the ball went near him and his marker - there were nervous echoes around the place.  the lad is out of his depth - but is not on his own.  Arthur Mc Conville on our county team - i have seen it all.  i have seen very ordinary club players boss him about in club games and there he is in full forward for Down seniors today.  Had a couple of frees to settle him into the game and fluffed them.  Aidan Brannigan running about the place throwing in late challenges and acting the hard man with galvin - im sure Galvin was thinking to himself who is this prat.  So Galvin just done what he does best - got possession and linked play.  Someone said garvey had decent game - what the ****? Declan O'Sullivan gave a masterclass today in gaining possession - holding possession - linking play and indeed scoring - all four things mentioned are what you expect from your forwards - so what did Garvey do that was so good i ask?  Midfield - is Kalum King the stupidest person in down - he watched one of the defenders getting booked for third man tackle - so what does he do twice in the next two mins - third man tackles.  He was lucky he wasn booked th first time.  Big dan was good - impressive on a good player and kicked few scores which were good efforts.
As regards the naming of the team - a complete disgrace and the supporters should act with their hands in the pockets at the next home game and buy no programmes.  this is not on and calling out a wrong players name going into the fray is a joke too.  the line seem to question everything by the referee and the linesman - i read recently that Kerry were being accused of being yaps - they need to look at down.  But all is not lost - 4 games left and i feel it will come down to the derby with Armagh.  That is d day for both teams i feel.

I dare you to share your true identity

If GAAboard had a like button i would like this.

I didnt mean stupidest as in academically - as he is in fact quite the genius - i meant in football terms. when you watch a picky referee book a player for something - you think to yourself - i wont try that one in case i get the same treatment... But oh no - in the space of 6 minutes he does it twice... Its not like he is small and nimble and wont get noticed!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rowzocull12 on March 07, 2012, 11:37:06 AM
I am a Louth man, simply due to work commitments. However, I am ex-Saval. I hear young Minors Ryan Malone and Saniel McCarthy could be given starting berths this year for the Seniors? Malone is well known throughout the club for roasting Jordan Fegan from Rostrevor, claiming afterwords "Fegan isn't fit to lace my boots". McCarthy is also known for being cocky. Once presented with his debut for the county, he exclaimed "first game of many". Having that sort of confidence can only be admired. Best of luck to them and Saval this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on March 07, 2012, 12:37:40 PM
The whole team lacked hunger and desire on Sunday, and if im honest, passion for the jersey too. This soon needs to be addressed or you can say goodbye to Division 1, and your bset chance of an Ulster Final appearance!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 07, 2012, 12:53:44 PM
There has been some discussion here about Benny's form, with a couple of posters claiming that the difficulties lie elsewhere in our squad as Benny had been flying with Ulster in the inter-provincials.

Here is what Benny had to say in his Newry Democrat column this week; `I can't hide away from the fact that my own performances in the course of the league have been simply unacceptable. It has been the hardest few months I have ever went through as a footballer regarding my confidence. Sometimes the harder you try the worse it becomes. I love nothing more than pulling on the Down jersey for my county, but the moment I think that I can add no more to this team I will hold my hands up and walk away with my head held high.'

Those were honest words from an outstanding player who knows the standards required of a county footballer. The system we are using does him no favours, and a goal in Castlebar would probably transform his season, but he is plainly struggling at the moment and has managed a single point in our last four competitive games. Leaving Benny to be double marked on the edge of the square fairly clearly does not work, so we need to look at other options which may soon include springing him from the bench. It is early days yet, but the indications are that we are looking like the team of 2011 rather than 2010 and we need to react accordingly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 07, 2012, 01:04:47 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 07, 2012, 12:53:44 PM
There has been some discussion here about Benny's form, with a couple of posters claiming that the difficulties lie elsewhere in our squad as Benny had been flying with Ulster in the inter-provincials.

Here is what Benny had to say in his Newry Democrat column this week; `I can't hide away from the fact that my own performances in the course of the league have been simply unacceptable. It has been the hardest few months I have ever went through as a footballer regarding my confidence. Sometimes the harder you try the worse it becomes. I love nothing more than pulling on the Down jersey for my county, but the moment I think that I can add no more to this team I will hold my hands up and walk away with my head held high.'

Those were honest words from an outstanding player who knows the standards required of a county footballer. The system we are using does him no favours, and a goal in Castlebar would probably transform his season, but he is plainly struggling at the moment and has managed a single point in our last four competitive games. Leaving Benny to be double marked on the edge of the square fairly clearly does not work, so we need to look at other options which may soon include springing him from the bench. It is early days yet, but the indications are that we are looking like the team of 2011 rather than 2010 and we need to react accordingly.

In my opinion the system that we are playing at the moment is hindering the likes of Benny. He still has a lot to offer. But when ball isnt going in directly to our forward line then we are taking away the bread and butter of any free scoring attacker.

If we change our attacking strategy, we will get the best of Benny. The state of our team at the moment in terms of top quality personnel means that we simply can't afford to have one of the best forwards in Ireland in the past decade warming the bench in the hope that he will intervene late on as a game changer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 07, 2012, 06:02:56 PM
The system both this year and last year is the probelm . You can have the best forwards in the country but if you dont kick the ball into them they are null and void . We all defend and as i have said before mark space ,all run to the man on the ball but yet forget about the other free men . This was very evident all of last year with Mc Kernan caught not knowing where to go at any time . Why can they all not have a certain man to mark and follow him everywhere . People said about the good game Dan had the other day i have watched the game again and it is actually unbelievable the amount of possession that Donaghy had . At one stage he had time to pull the shorts out of his a**e when in possession . People said he looked uninterested but Kerrys move was to play him on the wing ( He hardly left the stand side of the field all day ) this kept Dan away from catching clean ball . We simply have no scoring forwards at the minue with all of them tracking back . The reason we saw the best out of Benny this last 2 years and especially 2010 was 1 reason only Martin Clarke who could turn defence into attack with the blink of an eye . Benny was getting 1st class early ball in so he knew when he made the run he would recieve the ball . In the 1st 15 mins Down were all over Kerry and at one stage could of been 9 to 2 up this was because the ball was being moved in fast and we were making chances but when Kerry got the handle on us we retreated into our own half . Alot of people complained last year that Clarkes attitude wasnt great that he was very poor but yet he still managed to score 4 to 5 points a game what we would do to have a man that could do that now . On another point with all the ill feeling in the Cork game about the 2 Burren lads being brought into the panel after their absents we give Mc Kernan15 mins and Anton none why not throw Anton in against such a so called average mid field . I think its time that we go back and train someone to take our free kicks and 45s because in every game it is the wining of it . On a lighter note i see that both Clarke and Mooney are both on the Collingwood panel for the weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 07, 2012, 09:15:49 PM
has the final minor squad been named yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 08, 2012, 11:11:19 AM
Playing a two-man forward line means the opposition can double mark Benny. This means we effectively have no forward line. When Marty was in the possession two players quickly ran forward, giving us a four man attack, and he unleashed an accurate kickpass. This year the players are not running forward from the half forward line, they are running parallel to it to recycle possession. Secondly no one can kick pass as accurately as Marty.

That is the problem, the solution is more difficult. I think James's answer in the McKenna cup looked promising Benny and Laverty either side of King and three big men around the middle. That means we gain a fair share of possession, we have a target man, the opposition fullback line can be moved around, and play can be pushed quickly up the pitch.

The missing ingredients are accurate passing and support play - Ok Carr and Poland are more than capable of playing accurate kick passes, so that should actually not be a problem. In terms of support, Hughes, Maginn, McComiskey, Laverty and to a certain extent Poland are all fast enough to break from a possession-gaining phase to an attack phase. They just need to decide when and who will break, and who will stay back to recycle possession.

It seems to me that the Down strategy is obsessed with defence and possession but has failed to address the attack aspects of the game. But we have good enough player to play a system that could achieve success. In fairness to James he has not had  a full squad to pick from since July 2010.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on March 08, 2012, 06:29:30 PM
I see a third set of Fixtures have been released for Div3. The reason being sequences of home or away games leading to new fixtures being released. Don't be surprised if this is to be amended again before 25th March. At first glance I can see a couple of clubs with 3 away fixtures in a row and 1 club with a run of 4 home fixtures. There is surely more instances.

How hard is it to get this right?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 08, 2012, 07:24:00 PM
Ardglass are home for 9 of their first 12 games in the league, I didnt hear if this has been ammended since.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 08, 2012, 09:22:32 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 08, 2012, 07:24:00 PM
Ardglass are home for 9 of their first 12 games in the league, I didnt hear if this has been ammended since.


Something similar happened a few years back in the hurling fixtures where Bredagh were to play 7 away fixtures on the bounce. The fixtures were amended a few weeks later.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 08, 2012, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on March 08, 2012, 06:29:30 PM
I see a third set of Fixtures have been released for Div3. The reason being sequences of home or away games leading to new fixtures being released. Don't be surprised if this is to be amended again before 25th March. At first glance I can see a couple of clubs with 3 away fixtures in a row and 1 club with a run of 4 home fixtures. There is surely more instances.

How hard is it to get this right?

New fixtures secretary this year lads...fcuk sake give him a chance before you go to town on him :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 08, 2012, 10:42:36 PM
Down team to face Mayo on Down website
Brendan Mc Veigh
D Mc Cartan
C Garvey
D Turley
D Gordon
A Brannigan
N Mc Parland
A Rodgers
K King
D Hughes
M Poland
A Carr
C Laverty
B Coulter
C Maginn
Good to see a team announced today instead of the nonsense last week   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on March 08, 2012, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 08, 2012, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on March 08, 2012, 06:29:30 PM
I see a third set of Fixtures have been released for Div3. The reason being sequences of home or away games leading to new fixtures being released. Don't be surprised if this is to be amended again before 25th March. At first glance I can see a couple of clubs with 3 away fixtures in a row and 1 club with a run of 4 home fixtures. There is surely more instances.

How hard is it to get this right?

New fixtures secretary this year lads...fcuk sake give him a chance before you go to town on him :-[

Not having a go at any one person 5sams just you would think that there would be some sort of formula in place that has been used in previous years to draw up the fixtures. In fact, there should be more than one man behind this sort of thing. When the reason that new fixtures are being drawn up twice is instances of long sequences of home or away fixtures, you would think that more than one man would be looking at this to ensure that things are rectified before sending out again! I personally had no grievance with these sequences but I can see why clubs would voice their disapproval.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 08, 2012, 11:44:42 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on March 08, 2012, 10:42:36 PM
Down team to face Mayo on Down website
Brendan Mc Veigh
D Mc Cartan
C Garvey
D Turley
D Gordon
A Brannigan
N Mc Parland
A Rodgers
K King
D Hughes
M Poland
A Carr
C Laverty
B Coulter
C Maginn
Good to see a team announced today instead of the nonsense last week   

Strange looking team, Gordon at wing back, Brannigan at Centre back, 5 small fowards again.  Would much rather had Turley at CHB, Gordon to midfield and ambrose to wing foward for a start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 08, 2012, 11:54:03 PM
It's great to see a team announced at the proper time, and it looks as though some expressions of concern here and elsewhere have been taken on board. However, it is very difficult to see how Kevin McKernan and Peter Turley will both be on the bench on Sunday. It must also be unlikely that, after Benny's recent public comments, he will be left alone up front as part of an approach which he plainly does not favour.  Turley or McKernan or both into the half back line, Gordon to midfield and KK to full forward would make sense as late switches. Our half forward line is a concern, as it did not function properly last week, and we are taking on the form team of the division, but at least we have the opportunity to put some things right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 09, 2012, 08:21:10 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 08, 2012, 11:44:42 PM
Strange looking team, Gordon at wing back, Brannigan at Centre back, 5 small fowards again.  Would much rather had Turley at CHB, Gordon to midfield and ambrose to wing foward for a start.

Totally agree with WGM's comment. I also agree with Mourne Rover - "Turley or McKernan or both into the half back line, Gordon to midfield and KK to full forward would make sense"

I just hope James sees sense. Though I would still prefer Turley with Gordon in Midfield, Rogers half forward and King up front. Does anyone know what has happened to Doyle? Is he injured again?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 09, 2012, 01:12:57 PM
Think Doyle has a recurrance of an old calf injury.

By the look of that forward line the 2 men FF line will remain with Maginn coming out the field.  Not a lineup that would inspire but heres hoping they can pull off a surprise victory.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 09, 2012, 07:55:28 PM
Good to see the team although I think Peter Turley brings a lot more to the team than Aidan Brannigan- an honest player who gives his all for Down so no disrespect to him but Turley brings a physical presence we need.
I have to say that I cannot see what AOR brings to the party. I have watched him at close quarters during Mc Kenna Cup and league and he has no way with him. He doesn't seem to respect the players or officials -maybe he is a good trainer but we need to improve our man-management, not make it worse. James is clever - he was a clever footballer but , like everyone, he has strengths and weaknesses. He should bring in people that complement him, not re-inforce his stubborness.Young players need to be blended in, not hauled off and on, while older players need respect.The Eoin experiment has failed- a great footballer plagued by injury but better to keep him for club cameos. A point in Castlebar would be a good result but we need a tight, content squad on the road and I'm not sure if we have that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 10, 2012, 02:06:51 AM
Having initially welcomed O Rourkes appointment, i now believe it was a mistake. His behaviour on the line appears to have an unsettling effect on some players. On and off the field he appears to have to much say and influence. Every Paper you pick up has quotes and comments from him re. players and tactics, some of them contradictory. I welcomed him for his experience, dont know if he is a good trainer or coach, but performances since his arrival give rise to doubt re. his ability. It is now my opinion that we have better Men for the job in Down, i cant see what he is bringing to the table
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on March 10, 2012, 09:24:39 AM
AOR was brought in as coach. The coachs job is a behind the scenes job and thats where he should be kept. Hes a show off thats wants the lime ligt as it throws his name into the hat for bigger pay packets.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 11, 2012, 03:04:57 PM
Tuned into live commentary on destination newry for down vs mayo now....
the Statler & Waldorf of commentary (That's correct, sez Waldorf - constantly!!)
Great craic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on March 11, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
cant get the destination newry coverage, anyone any links to a Connacht radio station playing the match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 11, 2012, 03:13:14 PM
mid west radio
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 11, 2012, 03:18:16 PM
http://www.midwestradio.ie/mwr/listen-live.html

Very clear coverage of first half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on March 11, 2012, 03:25:33 PM
Loving that version of Star of the county Down there at half time..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 11, 2012, 07:27:29 PM
much needed win for down today. the lads showed plenty of character after all the criticsisms of the past few weeks. i know mayo had a man sent off early on but the match still needed to be won. hopefully this result will bring a bit of confidence for the next few games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marsbarkid on March 11, 2012, 09:14:59 PM
thanks for the link lads, it was interesting to hear the 'impartial' commentating on midwest radio.  ??? Dont think them boys liked the ref too much!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 11, 2012, 10:21:20 PM
Just home from a great day in Castlebar . Good hard working performance with alot more direct football played . Mayo only scored 3 pts from play and in my view the referee who was absolutely desperate gave them alot of easy scorable frees when the Mayo man was doing the holding on the Down player . Aidan O Shea deserved his red card for an awful elbow on Danny and their supporters didnt shine themselves in glory by booing Danny when he got the ball after it . Down were well fit for the physical side of things and no one was afraid to throw themselves about . After Dan was moved back into full back we looked more than we did at any stage in the last 3 games . Ambrose did alot of work and was busting through but some of his handeling wasnt great but it will improve with game time . Niall Mc Parland did very well as did big Kalum . Danny covered every blade of grass and worked very hard but some silly shot chices when a score was on . Aidan Carr was excellent in general play and was reliable in his free taking . Garvey got an early yellow and was not at the races after it . Benny didnt start but looked lively when he came on and scored 2 pts . The referee was asbad as i have ever seen . Down had 2 pts disallowed at the end for what no one seemed to know . In fairness he was as bad for both sides . Great victory today after the last 2 disappointments fair play to James used his bench well at the right times
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 13, 2012, 12:19:43 AM
Just looking at the page here and 2 comments have been made in reference to Down's victory over Mayo. Yet rewind the clock a number of days and look in comparison to roughly 3 pages worth of comments on a defeat, including some having a personal go at named individual players from behind the safety of a pseudonym. Maybe it's the Irish mindset, to focus on the negatives of defeat and let a good victory, away to the league winners slip under the radar. Or maybe the game wasn't televised and not that many fans travelled down? Either way it tells a tale.
The "passion in shirt" comment last week got me.  After a match I try to gauge the opinions of those with no emotional ties who have often a more sound judgement of a game and Benny Tierney in his article "beware of the fickle" (appropriately named) reported that Down played with bucket loads of endeavour. Whist there were reasons for defeat, I would say lack of passion wasn't one.
Admittedly if betting man I would have placed my dosh on Mayo, so am happy to say fair play to Down for proving me wrong and hopefully this will set up for a good finish to get primed for an Ulster campaign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 13, 2012, 02:05:21 AM
Dundrumite, I was wondering about the lack of posting on this topic myself. Although I do feel some of it may be due to the problems (at least I) experienced recently  -where logging on to the site seemed to take as long as it takes the GAA to realise that outdoor basketball is not really all that attractive.
Gaelic football at the minute (Down included) is mired in over-analysed super-scientific tosh to the point of zero entertainment and to the benefit only of those tax-payer funded "coaches" who have  brainwashed the association and its media cheer leaders with their defensive dogma to the point of utter pointlessness.
So no wonder that previously energetic posters have fallen silent (as I have until now) through inertia or possibly simple boredom.
I am more energised by the Rory McIlroy discussion elsewhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 13, 2012, 10:34:29 AM
Does anyone know how the Down U21s got on in their game against Monaghan at the weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 13, 2012, 01:11:07 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 13, 2012, 12:19:43 AM
Just looking at the page here and 2 comments have been made in reference to Down's victory over Mayo. Yet rewind the clock a number of days and look in comparison to roughly 3 pages worth of comments on a defeat, including some having a personal go at named individual players from behind the safety of a pseudonym. Maybe it's the Irish mindset, to focus on the negatives of defeat and let a good victory, away to the league winners slip under the radar. Or maybe the game wasn't televised and not that many fans travelled down? Either way it tells a tale.
The "passion in shirt" comment last week got me.  After a match I try to gauge the opinions of those with no emotional ties who have often a more sound judgement of a game and Benny Tierney in his article "beware of the fickle" (appropriately named) reported that Down played with bucket loads of endeavour. Whist there were reasons for defeat, I would say lack of passion wasn't one.
Admittedly if betting man I would have placed my dosh on Mayo, so am happy to say fair play to Down for proving me wrong and hopefully this will set up for a good finish to get primed for an Ulster campaign.

Dundrumite, I'd like to think the main reason for the lack of comment is that between being in Newry and on TV, just about every gael in Down saw the Kerry game, but only a hardy few saw the Mayo game.

There is no doubt though that it's easier (and more fun) to give out than give praise. The truth is that without Marty Clarke and a few notable others, if Down manage to stay in D1 this season, it would be a tremendous achievement - and both the players and management deserve much more credit than they get.

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Post by: PAULD123 on March 13, 2012, 01:18:09 PM
NP76, What actually happened with the full-time whistle? Did the ref blow it up early or was time up when he first blew the game up? Where was the re-start from, was it the middle like a start of a new game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Marshes on March 13, 2012, 01:28:52 PM
A great win by Down on Sunday and must be congratulated on a superb all-round performance. From what I hear the basics were executed well- passing, catching, shooting - which helped the team execute their plans and system.

Couldnt make the game as I had club duties on Sunday but according to some that means I am not a 'True Down Supporter'
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Post by: amallon on March 13, 2012, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 13, 2012, 10:34:29 AM
Does anyone know how the Down U21s got on in their game against Monaghan at the weekend?

I bet you already know the answer to that one! 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 13, 2012, 03:54:17 PM
Quote from: amallon on March 13, 2012, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 13, 2012, 10:34:29 AM
Does anyone know how the Down U21s got on in their game against Monaghan at the weekend?

I bet you already know the answer to that one!

Honestly I don't. I only knew about it because 2 lads from our club were playing but didn't hear the result. Was it a bad beating?
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Post by: NP 76 on March 13, 2012, 10:25:27 PM
Paul the referee was desperate from start to finish but for all that he got the sending off correct in my opinion . He gave Mayo alot of very handy frees and only for poor shooting they would of went ahead . The take on the false ending was that Down had a free on the far side of the field . I cant mind who hit it but he went back to Mc Veigh with it who passed it on to someone else along the stand side of the field when the whistle blew . I had only just looked at my watch to check the time not long before and knew there was about 3 to 4 mins left but people jumped up to cheer when he called a hop ball . I thought that he had assumed that Mc Veigh had taken the free kick from the wrong place but the Down players were pointing out to him that the free was taken by someone else . It was confusing to all around the place but it worked out in the end . He got a very bad send off from the Mayo fans and had to be escorted off the field . From the sending off the attitude of the Mayo players changed and a few times they tried to ruffle the Down players up which we didnt react to . Lets hope we get another slice of luck this weekend
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Post by: Mourne Rover on March 13, 2012, 11:57:03 PM
It is hard to assess a game you did not attend, but the better Down performances tend to be based on confidence and momentum. While we displayed neither against Kerry, the memory of the draw in Castlebar last year, when we really should have won pulling up, may well have an effect last Sunday

The early red card was certainly a big factor, but there would have been enormous pressure on the referee to even things up and our discipline and substitutions seem to have worked very well. Springing Benny from the bench plainly helped his game, and it will be fascinating to see if we try the same move against the Dubs.

Ambrose's return at midfield, with two points from play and a 45 as well, gave us a big lift, although we could really do with Doyle as well for his left-footed frees and general contribution. However, we are up and running again and there should be quite an atmosphere this Sunday.


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Post by: general on March 14, 2012, 09:50:52 AM
with the new club season just a few weeks away, this time of year clubs will find it hard to keep pitches in tip top condition. last night i left a young one to ballyholland and did have a good look at the pitch which looked perfect under the lights.

im carious to know what other pitches are like at this time of the year?
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Post by: DownFanatic on March 14, 2012, 10:10:28 AM
With Division 3 and Division 4 set to kick off next week and Divison 1 and 2 to follow soon, who do you fancy to win their respective League and Championships this year?

Burren must be favourites for the SFC again but the usual challenge should emanate from Kilcoo with a chasing pack of Bryansford, Clonduff and Mayobridge. Kilcoo usually do well in the League and Id fancy them or Burren to pick up the Division 1 title.

An Riocht and Rostrevor who are just down from Division 1 must be strong favourites for Division 2. Liatroim and Loughinisland will be in the mix there too in what should be a very competitive top four.

Annaclone and Warrenpoint would probably be tipped for the IFC with the former's pedigree very strong in this grade. There are only five Division 2 teams in the IFC this year. Clan na Banna who made the Semis last year may be an outside bet.

Division 3 is a complete lottery this year. Tullylish, Ballymartin and Drumgath are perennially strong in this section but the likes of Darragh Cross, Bosco and Saul are well capable of pushing for the top. The beauty of Division 3 in 2012 is the fact that anyone can beat anyone.

Bredagh should canter through Division 4. Last year's JFC winners have been competing very strongly in the Ulster IFL pre-season and despite missing the boat last year should be far too strong for the rest of the pack. Last year's relegated pair Mitchels and Dundrum along with a resurgent Teconnaught and possibly St Pauls should all be in the mix for the remaining promotion berths.

Drumaness are big favourites for the JFC. They are the only Division 3 team in it this year. They have good stock in this competition as they won it a couple of years ago. Last year's runners up Dromara will be looking to go one better this year while Mitchels, Dundrum, Teconnaught, St Paul's and Bright will all be looking to make an imprint on the competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on March 14, 2012, 01:00:37 PM
SFC:Bryansford
IFC:Annaclone
JFC:Dundrum

Div1:Kilcoo
Div2:Rostrevor
Div3:Ballymartin
Div4:Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 14, 2012, 01:21:45 PM
Looking forward to the start of the leagues.  Dont know enough about the 2 lower divisions to comment much ( some would say I dont know much about the first 2 either ) so Il stick to the first 2.

Interesting year ahead, i see Kilcoo and Burren slightly ahead of the Bridge and ford falling slightly further behind.  Kilcoo will come flying out of the box as they always do but they must be targeting a championship at this stage, league titles are all well and good but the championship is the daddy.  Their manager will be under serious pressure to produce this year after the last 2 years of underachieving.

Burren are invariably slow starters and with the bridge and kilcoo in their first 2 outings this is likely to continue.  Dont think they will be too worried about that if it does happen as they are an August, September team and will pick things up as the year progresses.  They are a good team but question marks remain as to whether they are as good as teams of yester year who could win 3, 4 and 5 on the bounce.  Cant see it myself.

Bridge is a difficult one to judge.  Their management situation is an interesting one and could be a match made in heaven or car crash tv.  It has been "reported" that poucher isnt allowed inside the wire at matches which isnt confidence inspiring.  They have some fresh talent coming through but nowhere near that of their great team years ago of coulter, walsh, sexton, grant and co.  Coulter isnt getting any younger but is still the most lethal finisher in Down which means that this team will always be a threat whilst he is around.

Bryansford last year as with most years flatter to deceive.  They have the players but never seem to be able to finish the job.  Training numbers are "reportetly" low so all may not be well in the camp and I see them as a distant 4th in the division.

At the other end Downpatrick look doomed already especially if the 2 Turleys are missing for any length of time.  Of the rest the harps should be more than fine with murtagh free from the starred games.  Themselves, Saval and Clonduff should be fighting midtable.

Division 2 looks a 2 horse race with the 2 that went down going straight back up.  Rostrevor especially look far too strong for this division and although the kingdom may have lost a few to Oz they still should be too strong for this division.

I would look for improved performances from Annaclone and Warrenpoint this year with Loughanisland and Liatrom also in the mix.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 14, 2012, 08:46:50 PM
Will the price of admission still be the same this weekend against the dubs or will there be an extra fee due to the hurlers playing 1st in a double header.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on March 15, 2012, 08:59:28 AM
SFC:Burren
IFC:Warrenpoint
JFC:Drumaness

Div1:Mayobridge
Div2:An Ríocht
Div3:Glenn  ;D
Div4:Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointman129 on March 15, 2012, 02:59:27 PM
SFC:Mayobridge
IFC:Warrenpoint
JFC:Drumaness

Div1:Kilcoo
Div2:Rostrevor
Div3:Tullylish
Div4:Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on March 15, 2012, 03:31:46 PM
Much as it pains me to say it - but Mayobridge are a spent force and getting in that clown to train them is too little too late.  There is no way he will stay behind the wire - he thinks he is too important for that.  Burren and Kilcoo are a little ahead of Bryansford at the minute and both league and championship will come out of those three teams i feel.  After flirting with relegation last year - its a big season for Clonduff.  they have new management in and a new purpose.  Should be interesting at the bottom with Ballyholland, Saval, Castlewellan and Downpatrick all fighting it out to stay afloat.  throw in the Stone and Clonduff and those 6 will have a real battle on their hands.  The league with only 10 teams in it is cut throat now.  Lose your first couple of games and you could be playing catch up all season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 15, 2012, 09:17:23 PM
Quote from: alba2 on March 15, 2012, 03:31:46 PM
Much as it pains me to say it - but Mayobridge are a spent force and getting in that clown to train them is too little too late.  There is no way he will stay behind the wire - he thinks he is too important for that.  Burren and Kilcoo are a little ahead of Bryansford at the minute and both league and championship will come out of those three teams i feel.  After flirting with relegation last year - its a big season for Clonduff.  they have new management in and a new purpose.  Should be interesting at the bottom with Ballyholland, Saval, Castlewellan and Downpatrick all fighting it out to stay afloat.  throw in the Stone and Clonduff and those 6 will have a real battle on their hands.  The league with only 10 teams in it is cut throat now.  Lose your first couple of games and you could be playing catch up all season.

If the Bridge are looking a song for the year..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXzhEokVn0s
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 16, 2012, 09:20:49 AM
Any word of the Down team for sunday?
Or is McCartan gonna p1ss around again and we will arrive at game on sunday with no clue of a line up.
Dublin have named theres,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 16, 2012, 05:41:14 PM
Dublin (SF v Down):
S Cluxton;
D Daly, R O'Carroll, J Cooper;
J McCarthy, G Brennan (capt), C Dias;
E Fennell, M Dara Macauley;
P Brogan, K McManamon, P Flynn,
D Connolly, E O'Gara, A Brogan.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/gaa/2012/0316/1224313445315.html
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 16, 2012, 07:31:35 PM
The odds against us on Sunday are 10/3 with Paddy Power, which is longer even than against Kerry and must be the highest price offered for a Down home win over many years. Dublin are entitled to be warm favourites, given performances so far in the league, but they have made a few changes and a good Down start would put them under a fair bit of pressure.

I think it may be the first Dublin visit to us since 1995, when we were going badly and got a hammering, 0-1 to 1-7. To make matters worse, the traffic was dreadful - as it may be again this time - and we got through the turnstiles a couple of minutes late to find a ball flying over our heads at the town end. Down had got a penalty with our first attack, and Ross smacked it against the crossbar for a point before it rebounded out of the ground. We then collapsed entirely, meaning that, for hopefully the last occasion ever, I paid into a Down match without seeing us score.

The only memorable incident came when DJ lost it late on, flooring two Dublin forwards in quick succession during a dust-up. We waited for the inevitable red card, but the unsighted ref managed to hand out one yellow apiece to the disbelief of the Dublin support. DJ still looked annoyed anyway.

We could be doing with a couple of defenders with DJ's commitment, but discipline will also be an important factor on Sunday. The evidence against Mayo was that we had learned from the early yellows against Kerry and produced a much cuter game.

The team we have named is fairly predictable, although it is again good to see it released at a relatively early stage - 1 Brendan McVeigh, 2    Daniel McCartan
3  Conor Garvey, 4 Aiden Branigan, 5  Niall McParland, 6    Dan Gordan, 7 Kevin McKernan,  8 Ambrose Rogers, 9  Kalum King, 10  Daniel Hughes, 11  Mark Poland. 12 Aidan Carr, 13  Conor Maginn,  14  Brendan Coulter, 15  Conor Laverty.

There may well be a number of positional changes, with big Dan potentially moving to full back against O'Gara and possibly Garvey switching on to Connolly. James must have been very tempted to spring Benny from the bench in a repeat of the tactic which proved so effective against Mayo, and there was also a decent case for Kallum at full forward, but hopefully we will still give it our best shot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on March 16, 2012, 08:13:23 PM
Did Paul Devlin and Rusty O'Reilly get called up to the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 16, 2012, 08:33:33 PM
Think Sundays selection is possibly our best team, though a slot will have to be found for Mc Comisky when he regains fitness and form
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 16, 2012, 10:49:22 PM
The team is set up basically defensively. Talking about individual match ups is not nearly as relavent as days gone by. Garvey will not be in a on-on-one competition with O'Gara for instance. The team will swarm and move to stop attacking play.

The big issue is in gaining posession quickly and holding it. With Gordon, Rogers, and King all in the middle, James has aknowledged the problems last year and that preventing teams getting the ball to their attackers is a much more important defensive stategy than good tight marking. From that perspective we have a very dynamic half back line, a set of half forwards (Maginn will play there) eager to hassle for dirty ball and we will have three big catchers at every kick out. 

I don't think you can fault James's approach, it will really come down to whether or not our midfield can gather enough ball to stop Dublin attacking. I believe we can, that doesn't mean I am boasting we will. But at any rate I will be entering Park Esler with a good deal of optimism. If it goes to plan then I am confident we will definately at least be in with a shout.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 18, 2012, 12:55:15 AM
The 5th different selection position for Dan Gordon in 5  games.....
Don't get this at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 18, 2012, 09:46:16 AM
is todays game all ticket for the stand?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 18, 2012, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 18, 2012, 09:46:16 AM
is todays game all ticket for the stand?
the stand isnt all ticket but there was a statement from the county board saying admission to the stand cant be guaranteed after 1.30 due to large crowd expected. advice would be to go early if you want to be in the stand.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 13aside on March 18, 2012, 05:19:59 PM
good win for Down today,system of play means an awful lot of short passing forward backward and sideways-players need to be very fit to play 70+ mins without tiring.Good first half all round despite some off thye ball stuff-but they stood up well to some dodgy tactics,Carr kicked reasonably well and Ambrose contributed too but i thought Poland played a major part-and a great save from McVeigh kept out a second Dublin goal -well done!!
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Post by: T O Hare on March 18, 2012, 05:22:10 PM
great win and performance tonight. everyone played well but special mention to Dan McCarten who was excellent and who gets a lot of criticism.
The singer of the national anthem was excellent too.. Kilcoo's hidden gem :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on March 18, 2012, 05:28:18 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 18, 2012, 05:22:10 PM
great win and performance tonight. everyone played well but special mention to Dan McCarten who was excellent and who gets a lot of criticism.
The singer of the national anthem was excellent too.. Kilcoo's hidden gem :)

not what i was expecting nor many others looking round..usually a soft sounding girl sings it lol

excellent win. now up to second. 100% agree dan mccartan was excellent, looked very comfortable.delighed to see my clubmate Niall McParland play full game, didnt too too much wrong either. well done McP
whats the word on benny? tactical or injured?good to see him get a good cheer when he came on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 18, 2012, 06:08:09 PM
We are very quick to criticise our team and the management when things go wrong...it's time to give them a bit of credit. That was a very good performance against a nearly full strength All Ireland Champions who have been scoring for fun to date in the league. To be honest the scoreline flattered the Dubs because our boys were in control and v comfortable over the 70 minutes. Well done James & Co.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 18, 2012, 06:22:58 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 18, 2012, 06:08:09 PM
We are very quick to criticise our team and the management when things go wrong...it's time to give them a bit of credit. That was a very good performance against a nearly full strength All Ireland Champions who have been scoring for fun to date in the league. To be honest the scoreline flattered the Dubs because our boys were in control and v comfortable over the 70 minutes. Well done James & Co.

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 18, 2012, 06:28:46 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 18, 2012, 06:08:09 PM
We are very quick to criticise our team and the management when things go wrong...it's time to give them a bit of credit. That was a very good performance against a nearly full strength All Ireland Champions who have been scoring for fun to date in the league. To be honest the scoreline flattered the Dubs because our boys were in control and v comfortable over the 70 minutes. Well done James & Co.

My point last week.. Brilliant result
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 18, 2012, 06:38:36 PM
Super performance today by the Down team all over the pitch and on the line . Every single man stood up and was counted . Great to see the management realise that the swarm defence with only 2 forwards wasnt working and changed their ideas and as last week kicked the ball in to the forwards with more urgency . Such was the level of the performance today i think it would be un fair to single out players for good performances as every single one played their part . The was some big hits today and our lads never backed down and stood firm . Have to say the crowd really got behind the team today and a sense of unity added to the occasion . Fair play to James and his back room team but we need one more big lift to see this through lets see a big crowd next week in Armagh and another sign of unity . Well done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 18, 2012, 07:06:47 PM
brilliant result today against the all ireland champs. every player put in a decent shift. the crowd got behind the players and they responded with an unexpected win. the workrate and will to win was immense. they all played their part but i thought dan mccartan, dan gordan, ambrose and especially mark poland stood out. well done all.
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Post by: Pangurban on March 18, 2012, 07:15:56 PM
Magnificent team performance, plaudits to all involved, now lets keep that winning habit
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Post by: Dubh driocht on March 18, 2012, 07:26:15 PM
Nothing to add to everyone's posts other than really highlight the contribution from the Kilcoo men on and off the pitch. Talk about passion -these men leave nothing behind ! Well done to the County Board on great organisation- with the weather and the performance it was like a championship game. Still need at least another point so heads down for the Athletic Grounds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 18, 2012, 07:56:09 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 18, 2012, 07:26:15 PM
Nothing to add to everyone's posts other than really highlight the contribution from the Kilcoo men on and off the pitch. Talk about passion -these men leave nothing behind ! Well done to the County Board on great organisation- with the weather and the performance it was like a championship game. Still need at least another point so heads down for the Athletic Grounds.

Totally agree, brilliant day all round, including the weather, also think your right Dubh driocht, we should keep the kilcoo man on the line and keep the Armagh man away from the sidelines once he serves his suspension. The journey home from Newry was made even sweeter when we heard the Armagh result! Keep it going our Paddy  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 18, 2012, 08:24:21 PM
Tremendous performance. We outfought Dublin all afternoon, never gave them a second on the ball. Probably the best Ive seen Mark Poland play, I thought he was outstanding. Looking forward to Armagh game now.

Instead of packing the defence, like we had been doing, we had plenty of bodies in the dublin half, pressurising defenders, turning over the ball. The  Dublin players players were unsettled and we capitalised. We went man to man for most of the game and won most of the individual battles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on March 18, 2012, 09:33:26 PM
Fantastic performance and result, a possible league semi-final would have been unthinkable a few weeks ago but we are not out of the woods just yet. Fifteen points on the board was a great tally against Dublin's swarm defence, which at times consisted of thirteen men behind the ball. I also thought we were far better around midfield with Hughes, Maginn and Poland helping out. Possibly our best display since the AI semi-final in 2010. We still need a left-footed free taker in the absence of Doyle though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on March 18, 2012, 09:56:38 PM
Fantastic display of courage&determination in Newry today-to put this into perspective:

Tipp,who not so long ago beat Down in front of several hundred to win Div3,look set for Div4 whilst
Many of the same Down team ,in front of almost 8 000 defeated the reigning All-Ireland champions to secure Div.1 status     :o

Once again our best performance seems to coincide with a dry sod :P :P

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 18, 2012, 09:58:32 PM
The tone was set today by the broad-shouldered guy who belted out the National Anthem and punched the air at its crescendo. We never really looked back after that, during what was our best performance since the championship run of 2010. James can certainly reflect on a job well done, as he picked the right team, produced the right tactics and made the right substitutions.


We dictated the tempo at an early stage, which is always important for Down, and we were impose our passing and running game on Dublin in a very effective way. They knew they were in difficulty,  and they exploited the referee's determination to keep the play flowing by getting in some high and heavy tackling. However, we kept our discipline better than they did, particularly during a key moment just before the break when Connolly shoved Garvey in the face in front of the main stand, got a yellow which might have been a red and lost his sideline kick as a result.


McVeigh was excellent as captain,  making a crucial save from Connolly, placing almost all of his kick-outs well and calmly making himself available to collect passes and move the ball on smoothly, He had no chance with McManamon's goal, which was a pity as it deprived him of a third consecutive clean sheet.


McManamon is a handful because of his strength and low centre of gravity, and got round Garvey a couple of times before the goal. However, Garvey battled away and  was more than breaking even towards the end. Brannigan worked as hard as ever, and was unlucky to pick up the yellow which probably led to his replacement at half-time.


Gordon, by my reckoning, has played at full back, wing half back, centre half, midfield and wing half forward in the league before slotting in at corner back today. He was immense again, clamping down on Connolly, who got 3-3 against Armagh last week, taking some brilliant catches and getting up and down the field as well.


Dan McCartan, switched unexpectedly to half-back, had best game of the season, hassling and harrying the Dubs at all stages and using the ball very well. McKernan had an edgy start, but got better and better and is begining to look like the player of 2010. McParland was quietly excellent, took his point well and may be close to starting in the championship.


Our midfielders were up against top class opponents but disrupted them effectively, won some fine possession and generally ran themselves into the ground. It's wonderful to see Ambrose almost back to his best, but King put in a terrific shift as well.


Carr was yet another Down player to produce his best display of the year, covering a huge amount of ground and hitting his frees confidently. Hughes took some ridiculous tackles, but still had the pace and the drive to worry Dublin right until the death.


Poland was outstanding, brilliant with the breaking ball, and beating one man after another when he got into his stride. Maginn was also effective, and usually pops up exactly where he is needed.


Eoin McCartan had a reasonable day without getting on the ball much, but he made the space for Laverty, who as usual was a gem. His twists and turns had Dublin mystified, and his defending at the end, complete with dummies inside his own 20m line, summed up Down's day.


The tactic of springing Benny from the bench is undeniably working, as he looks hungry when he appears, lifts the crowd and scored with his first touch. Gerard McCartan is still looking for his best form, and may have taken a knock before he was replaced after coming on at half-time. Duffin and McArdle did not really get into the game, and Peter Turley might have been introduced much earlier.


Both BBC and RTE are reporting that we are now safe in division one, but this is almost certainly wrong. Our scoring difference remains poor, and, even allowing for

the teams who have to play each other, we could still be caught on six points if we lose our last two fixtures. However, one more point would do us and two would probably take us into the play-offs. We can only head to Armagh next Saturday night with plenty of momentum behind us.





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on March 18, 2012, 10:20:54 PM
Quote from: MK on March 18, 2012, 09:56:38 PM
Fantastic display of courage&determination in Newry today-to put this into perspective:

Tipp,who not so long ago beat Down in front of several hundred to win Div3,look set for Div4 whilst
Many of the same Down team ,in front of almost 8 000 defeated the reigning All-Ireland champions to secure Div.1 status     :o

Once again our best performance seems to coincide with a dry sod :P :P

hope you are proven right, the way this league is going there could be a few more twists and turns yet. two tough away games to finish and with donegal and laois getting wins today its all wide open. two weeks ago mayo boys were on bragging about how down were not a div one team, look at them now two defeats on the bounce and us sitting second, up from last. just wish we had a home game last.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 18, 2012, 10:45:09 PM
Another thought from today is just how much an advantage Dublin have from playing their big championship games in Croke Park. I know they are good box-office for the GAA etc. but , on our turf, we bossed them today and I don't think we could do that at HQ.The roar of the crowd from the stand seems to lift our players at Pairc Esler - it didn't happen against Kerry and that is the only defeat in James' time.It would be good to get our troops to Armagh in numbers and maintain this mini-momentum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on March 19, 2012, 08:22:59 AM
Everything has been said so i'll just add my congrats and dont rest on this result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 19, 2012, 01:18:58 PM
Very pleasing result and performance yesterday.  Well done to managment and team.   Im sure James will be smiling considering some of the abuse he has taken in the last few wks on off the fence and the like.

Il not go through the whole team but a few deserve specific mention.  If we could clone Dan Gordon it would be great as we could do with him in a few positions but imo the defence and in particular the FB line is a lot more secure when he commands the edge of the square.  One of the high catches he took yesterday was unreal and he never gave a very good player who scored 3 3 the previous wk a kick of it.  Sorry if this offends leo but for me he has to be No 3!!

Garvey had a difficult day of it on a very speedy tricky footballer but he just seems a lot more at ease when he is in the half back line rather than the full back line.  McKernan was loose in the first half but tightened up in the second and was very good going forward as he always is.

Our midfield competed admireably against a good midfield and ambrose is getting better game by game.  Him and king seem to compliment each other as well.  Id leave the 2 of them at it.

Danny worked his ar$e off as usual and apart from a few stray balls had a good game.  Poland had a great game but Brennan gave him far too much room and far too little respect.  As great a game as he had, he wouldnt be afforded that type of room in decent club game.

McGinn collects a lot of ball but remains weak in the tackle and could go with a few weights.  Lavery was lavery and was a constant menace.  I can see why people like the use of Benny as an impact sub but i would still feel we wont go very far in the summer without a flying fit benny playing from the start.

On the dubs, they were a bit of disappointment to be honest, arriving 45mins before kickoff wouldnt have helped but a lot of their boys didnt want to no on the day.

The great thing about yesterday was that we beat the all ireland champions and we could still improve on our performance.

Onwards and upwards starting on saturday night against the orange men
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 20, 2012, 09:30:00 AM
Superb display at the weekend. The biggest changes from the Kerry game were all in attitude and work-rate. But the changes in personnel can not be underestimated either - Rogers, McKernan, Hughes and Maginn are now fully fit and Carr brought back in.

We have quality footballers in our squad and in those two games we saw how much attitude makes a difference. If our attitude remains at the level of Sunday then we should be in for a good season. Also wasn't it great to see the defending starting so high up the pitch. Dublin were shaken by their half backs being pressurised and hassled.

I think there is no doubt that Down should win next week. Down have a virtually full-strength squad to pick from and Armagh have been decimated. If Armagh were at full strength then it would be impossible to call. If Armagh do win then it will be a superb achievement for them. Not because I think beating Down is a superb achievement or that I think we are any sort of yardstick. It will simply be a great achievement because they have been so badly handicapped by the unavailability of first-choice players.

If Down have the same attitude as we had against Dublin then I can see nothing other than a Down victory. If we have the same attitude as we had against Kerry then a motivated Armagh could win the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 20, 2012, 10:35:01 AM
Recent form usually has little impact on Armagh/Down games, and they can be expected to be hugely motivated for our visit on Saturday night. Our record against even under-strength Armagh sides has been particularly poor, with the low point reached in the McKenna Cup of 2003. Armagh's AI-winning squad was on holiday, so we managed to lose in Ballykinler to effectively their third team. Paddy O'Rourke will be in the opposite corner this weekend, which is where he was when we lost so poorly in the championship at the Athletic Grounds last summer. It is a very long time since we won at that venue, possibly not since the USC of 1992, and Armagh will be desperate to avoid relegation. We will certainly start as favourites, but that has usually counted against us when the pressure is on, and we will need to display all the intensity and discipline from the Dublin match if we are to get the points this time round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 20, 2012, 12:11:21 PM
Anybody anyword on the Down U-21's for Wednesday night? I see Antrim named their team there yesterday.

Antrim don't seem to have much pedigree at this level whilst we got to an All Ireland Semi Final at Minor level I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on March 20, 2012, 02:57:26 PM
Very very tight!

Pos Team P W L D F A Points
1 Kerry 5 4 1 0 76 55 8
2 Down 5 3 2 0 62 73 6
3 Cork 5 2 2 1 70 53 5
4 Dublin 4 2 2 0 70 57 4
5 Mayo 4 2 2 0 52 52 4
6 Donegal 5 2 3 0 62 66 4
7 Laois 5 2 3 0 63 76 4
8 Armagh 5 1 3 1 61 84 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 20, 2012, 05:16:31 PM
The mathematics aren't fixed yet but:

If we were to lose our last two games then we would be very lucky not to be relegated because of the horrific scoreline in Cork. Short of someone taking a pasting, It would only take Dublin, Mayo, Donegal & Cork to win at least one each to send us into division 2.

If we draw one of those games then we would most likely be safe but would rely on there not being a fluke result scenario (involving Laois beating Kerry)

If we win against Armagh or Laois then we are certain to stay up.

If we win both games then we are certain to be in the semi-finals.

Basically the match against Armagh is one we need to win to ensure survival. As for Armagh, If they lose then they will not automatically be relegated. Let's say Kerry beat Laois and then we beat Laois, Dublin beat Donegal and then Armagh beat Donegal. Then Armagh would have 5 points but Donegal & Laois would both only have 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on March 20, 2012, 11:10:53 PM
so what your saying is if Down win their next 4 matches we wil be league champions ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 20, 2012, 11:13:57 PM
Would be happy enough with one more win to stay up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 21, 2012, 08:02:12 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on March 20, 2012, 11:13:57 PM
Would be happy enough with one more win to stay up

I have to be honest I wouldn't be happy with one more win given that the next two games are against a severely weakened Armagh side and Laois. The team got it 100% right in attitude and effort at the weekend. If they play the same then we will win both the next games. If we don't win both those games then it will mean we have gone backward again.

I really hope the boys realise themselves the differences between the Kerry match and Dublin; that they can not give less than 100% and expect to win. They have to want it badly, and want it badly in every game. Not just against the All-Ireland champions.

By the way NP, you're over 35 right? Would you have enough players at Ballyholland to form a team for an over 35s challenge match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 21, 2012, 09:43:33 AM
QuoteBy the way NP, you're over 35 right? Would you have enough players at Ballyholland to form a team for an over 35s challenge match?

There are at least 2 boys on here who could grace that team, one a free taking specialist and the other a tenacious corner back.  Both probably lacking a wee bit of pace these days.   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 21, 2012, 10:08:03 AM
PROPOSALS FOR DOWN ALL COUNTY FOOTBALL LEAGUES AND FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIPS FOR THE PERIOD 2013-2018


All County Leagues 2013-2018

The Down All County Football League 2013-2018 would consist of Three Divisions.

Division One consisting of 16 Teams that being the 10 teams in Division One at the end of 2012 plus the top six teams in Division Two in 2012.

Division Two would consist of the bottom four teams in Division Two at the end of 2012 plus the top ten teams in Division Three in 2012 plus the top two teams in Division Four in 2012.

Division Three would consist of the remaining nine teams in Division 4 plus the two relegated teams from Division 3 in 2012 with the target being to identify the return of Clubs to Adult Football, i.e. Killyleagh,The Ards Clubs and Annsborough.

Division One would be a one round league, the top finishing team would automatically contest the League Final whilst the team(s) in second and third place would meet with the winner contesting the league final.

The two bottom finishing teams would be automatically relegated whilst the team finishing third from bottom in Division One would play the team finishing third in Division Two with the winner of that game gaining first division status for the following year.

Starred games would not affect the outcome of the Leagues.

Division Two would be also a One Round League and the team finishing top would win the league, they would then be joined in Division One by the team that finished second. The team finishing third in Division Two would as stated meet the third from bottom team in Division One in a promotion play off.

The two bottom finishing teams would be automatically relegated whilst the team finishing third from bottom in Division Two would play the team finishing third in Division Three with the winner of that game gaining Second division status for the following year.

Division Three would be a two round league with the top two teams gaining automatic promotion to Division Two, the third place team in the Division Three would then play the third from bottom team in Division Two.

The rationale behind the league proposals is to raise the standards of Club Football within the County. Your league position would affect your Championship status and as such it was the feeling of the workgroup that as such the Leagues cannot be addressed in isolation. We are therefore proposing changes to the format of the Championship for the same period 2013-2018.


Championship Proposals

The 16 teams in Division One in 2013 would then constitute the teams competing in the Senior Football Championship, in the case of the winners of the Intermediate Championship of 2012 not been one of those teams then they would take the place of the 6th Team promoted from Division 2 in 2012.

In the case of future years if the Intermediate Winners were not one of the teams promoted to Division One then they would by virtue of winning the Intermediate Championship replace the team in the Senior Championship who won the right to either stay in Division One or were promoted from Division two by way of the third place play off.

In summation the Intermediate Championship winners will always be guaranteed the opportunity to play in the following years Senior Football Championship.

This same principle will apply in the case of the winners of the Junior Championship who will always be guaranteed the right to play in the Intermediate Championship

The league position of a Club would determine its Championship status for the year ahead.

The Intermediate Championship of 2013 would then consist of all of the teams in Division Two also taking into account the position of the Junior Championship winners.

The Junior Championship of 2013 would consist of all of those teams in Division Three.

The three Championships would then be structured on a 31 game principle.

The Senior Championship for 2013 would be based on the format as currently used in the Minor Football Championship. There would be Four Pots designated as follows:

Pot One: Teams 1-4 in league placing

Pot Two: Teams 5-8 in league placing

Pot Three Teams 9-12 in league placing

Pot Four Teams 13-16 in league placing or intermediate Championship winners

A draw would take place with the 4 groups been made up of one team from each Pot.

At Quarter Final Stage then the top two teams from each group would meet with the winners of the group in one pot and the runners up in Pot Two, this would then be an open draw.
In the event of there been a tie between two teams in the group stages, final placing will be decided in accordance with Rule 6.22 of the Official Guide.

This same principle would operate for the Intermediate Championship.

All games would be played at neutral venues.

In relation to the Junior Football Championship there would be Three Groups of Four Teams, the top team in each group would reach the semi finals and be joined by the best placed loser.

This would be decided in accordance with the criteria used by Ulster Council in relation to deciding semi finalists for the Dr McKenna Cup.


Finance

As Clubs would be losing two home fixtures in the proposed league changes and are been asked to play more Championship games the work group looked at a means of creating a financial incentive to Clubs.

The gates for all games in the Group series in the Senior and Intermediate Championships which takes us up to Quarter Final stage would be pooled and divided then on a 50/50 basis.

50% would be retained by the County and 50%created into a pool for Senior and Intermediate participants.

The 50% pooled would then be sub divided on a ratio of 70% to Senior Clubs and 30% to Intermediate Clubs.

For Example
If the net gates are £60,000.00 the allocation is £30,000.00 to County, £21,000.00 to Senior Clubs and £9,000.00 to Intermediate Clubs. This leaves County with same level of income as under the present Championship system.

Each Pool is then further divided as follows:

Group Winners get 40% of the pool divided between them, runners up get 30% divided between them, third placed team 20% divided between them and fourth placed team 10% between them.

On the basis of £30,000.00 this gives Group Senior Winners £2100, runners up £1575, third placed £1050.00 and fourth placed £525.00 each.

In the Intermediate the figures would be Winners £900.00 Runners Up £675.00, Third £450.00 and Fourth £225.00

Junior Championship participants are guaranteed minimum £100.00.

Normal Championship Finalists grants will still apply.


In Summary


There would be no promotion or relegation in 2012; instead your final placing would determine your Championship placing for 2013 and ultimately your league position in 2013.

Clubs would have a total of at least 18 games in a season including Championship for those in Division One and Two and at least 25 games in Division Three.

Where Clubs would be losing out on 2/3 home league games in the season we feel that the potential revenue loss would be compensated out of the Championship Pool.

The overall standard of Club Football would improve as all of our Clubs will be playing at a higher level.

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Any views?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on March 21, 2012, 11:00:51 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 21, 2012, 10:08:03 AM
PROPOSALS FOR DOWN ALL COUNTY FOOTBALL LEAGUES AND FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIPS FOR THE PERIOD 2013-2018


All County Leagues 2013-2018

The Down All County Football League 2013-2018 would consist of Three Divisions.

Division One consisting of 16 Teams that being the 10 teams in Division One at the end of 2012 plus the top six teams in Division Two in 2012.

Division Two would consist of the bottom four teams in Division Two at the end of 2012 plus the top ten teams in Division Three in 2012 plus the top two teams in Division Four in 2012.

Division Three would consist of the remaining nine teams in Division 4 plus the two relegated teams from Division 3 in 2012 with the target being to identify the return of Clubs to Adult Football, i.e. Killyleagh,The Ards Clubs and Annsborough.

Division One would be a one round league, the top finishing team would automatically contest the League Final whilst the team(s) in second and third place would meet with the winner contesting the league final.

The two bottom finishing teams would be automatically relegated whilst the team finishing third from bottom in Division One would play the team finishing third in Division Two with the winner of that game gaining first division status for the following year.

Starred games would not affect the outcome of the Leagues.

Division Two would be also a One Round League and the team finishing top would win the league, they would then be joined in Division One by the team that finished second. The team finishing third in Division Two would as stated meet the third from bottom team in Division One in a promotion play off.

The two bottom finishing teams would be automatically relegated whilst the team finishing third from bottom in Division Two would play the team finishing third in Division Three with the winner of that game gaining Second division status for the following year.

Division Three would be a two round league with the top two teams gaining automatic promotion to Division Two, the third place team in the Division Three would then play the third from bottom team in Division Two.

The rationale behind the league proposals is to raise the standards of Club Football within the County. Your league position would affect your Championship status and as such it was the feeling of the workgroup that as such the Leagues cannot be addressed in isolation. We are therefore proposing changes to the format of the Championship for the same period 2013-2018.


Championship Proposals

The 16 teams in Division One in 2013 would then constitute the teams competing in the Senior Football Championship, in the case of the winners of the Intermediate Championship of 2012 not been one of those teams then they would take the place of the 6th Team promoted from Division 2 in 2012.

In the case of future years if the Intermediate Winners were not one of the teams promoted to Division One then they would by virtue of winning the Intermediate Championship replace the team in the Senior Championship who won the right to either stay in Division One or were promoted from Division two by way of the third place play off.

In summation the Intermediate Championship winners will always be guaranteed the opportunity to play in the following years Senior Football Championship.

This same principle will apply in the case of the winners of the Junior Championship who will always be guaranteed the right to play in the Intermediate Championship

The league position of a Club would determine its Championship status for the year ahead.

The Intermediate Championship of 2013 would then consist of all of the teams in Division Two also taking into account the position of the Junior Championship winners.

The Junior Championship of 2013 would consist of all of those teams in Division Three.

The three Championships would then be structured on a 31 game principle.

The Senior Championship for 2013 would be based on the format as currently used in the Minor Football Championship. There would be Four Pots designated as follows:

Pot One: Teams 1-4 in league placing

Pot Two: Teams 5-8 in league placing

Pot Three Teams 9-12 in league placing

Pot Four Teams 13-16 in league placing or intermediate Championship winners

A draw would take place with the 4 groups been made up of one team from each Pot.

At Quarter Final Stage then the top two teams from each group would meet with the winners of the group in one pot and the runners up in Pot Two, this would then be an open draw.
In the event of there been a tie between two teams in the group stages, final placing will be decided in accordance with Rule 6.22 of the Official Guide.

This same principle would operate for the Intermediate Championship.

All games would be played at neutral venues.

In relation to the Junior Football Championship there would be Three Groups of Four Teams, the top team in each group would reach the semi finals and be joined by the best placed loser.

This would be decided in accordance with the criteria used by Ulster Council in relation to deciding semi finalists for the Dr McKenna Cup.


Finance

As Clubs would be losing two home fixtures in the proposed league changes and are been asked to play more Championship games the work group looked at a means of creating a financial incentive to Clubs.

The gates for all games in the Group series in the Senior and Intermediate Championships which takes us up to Quarter Final stage would be pooled and divided then on a 50/50 basis.

50% would be retained by the County and 50%created into a pool for Senior and Intermediate participants.

The 50% pooled would then be sub divided on a ratio of 70% to Senior Clubs and 30% to Intermediate Clubs.

For Example
If the net gates are £60,000.00 the allocation is £30,000.00 to County, £21,000.00 to Senior Clubs and £9,000.00 to Intermediate Clubs. This leaves County with same level of income as under the present Championship system.

Each Pool is then further divided as follows:

Group Winners get 40% of the pool divided between them, runners up get 30% divided between them, third placed team 20% divided between them and fourth placed team 10% between them.

On the basis of £30,000.00 this gives Group Senior Winners £2100, runners up £1575, third placed £1050.00 and fourth placed £525.00 each.

In the Intermediate the figures would be Winners £900.00 Runners Up £675.00, Third £450.00 and Fourth £225.00

Junior Championship participants are guaranteed minimum £100.00.

Normal Championship Finalists grants will still apply.


In Summary


There would be no promotion or relegation in 2012; instead your final placing would determine your Championship placing for 2013 and ultimately your league position in 2013.

Clubs would have a total of at least 18 games in a season including Championship for those in Division One and Two and at least 25 games in Division Three.

Where Clubs would be losing out on 2/3 home league games in the season we feel that the potential revenue loss would be compensated out of the Championship Pool.

The overall standard of Club Football would improve as all of our Clubs will be playing at a higher level.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Any views?
Poor Sean og must have little to do with his time. There is no chance of this getting through unless the County have a vote in it.   We've the best leagues in Ireland so why wouldwe go and change them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on March 21, 2012, 11:43:01 AM
If the clubs think they will get more income I can see a good few being in favour.  Its 3 guaranteed first round championship games for all clubs before we get to knock out football.  I think Louth and maybe Derry operate this system I'd like to know what Clubs there think of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bonzo on March 21, 2012, 12:18:26 PM
The relegation situation will not be decided by score difference as far as I know. I think it is what team beat who in the fixture between the sides. So Down would need the teams that they have beaten to be in competition with them, should a battle for relegation arise. Basically, it is too early to call as the permutations with results still allow for Down relegation. On the other hand, it is right to say that we can still make the semi finals. There are no 'down and out teams'  in div 1. All to play for yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 21, 2012, 12:34:52 PM
The thing I hate most about the GAA is the constant need to revamp.

By all means, we should look at ways for gradually improving the offering. But these complete overhauls do my head in.

If our club and county reps spent more time developing their juvenile systems, and less time trying to find ways to artificially balance things so that everyone somehow has an equal chance, our games would be in a better place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on March 21, 2012, 12:40:19 PM
change the championship if they want but dont mess with the leagues
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 21, 2012, 12:41:51 PM
Quote from: bonzo on March 21, 2012, 12:18:26 PM
The relegation situation will not be decided by score difference as far as I know. I think it is what team beat who in the fixture between the sides. So Down would need the teams that they have beaten to be in competition with them, should a battle for relegation arise. Basically, it is too early to call as the permutations with results still allow for Down relegation. On the other hand, it is right to say that we can still make the semi finals. There are no 'down and out teams'  in div 1. All to play for yet.

Sorry Bonzo, that's only partially correct. If there are two teams left on the same points then it is decided on a head-head basis. So If Down and Mayo finished on exactly the same points then Down will be placed ahead of Mayo because we beat them, regardless of our relative points differences are.

But if three or more teams finish on the same points then the head-head is not used and it comes down to straight points difference. We have a very poor standing on that front and would therefore likely be relegated if we lose both games as it would be likely Down, Laois, Donegal, and Mayo or Dublin will also have 6 points.

Having said that it is more than possible for us to lose both games and two from Armagh (Down & Donegal), Donegal (Dublin & Armagh) or Mayo (Cork, Dublin & Kerry) to have less points than us. Technically Cork could finish on 5 or Dublin on 4, but both those scenarios are unlikely given the quality of those two teams.

But you are correct that "There are no 'down and out teams'  in div 1. All to play for yet."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on March 21, 2012, 02:12:53 PM
U-21 team V Antrim

1 Shane Harrison Glassdrumman
2 Michael Clarke Saval
3 Shane McNamee Mayobridge
4 David McEntee Burren
5 Kevin McClorey Mayobridge
6 Gerard McGovern Burren
7 David McKibben Bryansford
8 Niall McParland Glenn
9 Connor Gough Shamrocks
10 Darragh O Hanlon Kilcoo
11 Chris Clarke Bryansford
12 Mattie Bagnall Glenn
13 Danny Savage Bryansford
14 Ross McGarry Warrenpoint
15 Donal O Hare Burren

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 21, 2012, 08:39:07 PM
HT An Dún 1-7
Antrim 1-3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 21, 2012, 09:27:37 PM
Ft Down 2-11
Antrim 1-09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on March 21, 2012, 10:25:47 PM
Any match report please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 22, 2012, 12:10:52 AM
Disjointed effort from a team that has much promise.
Early ball into full forward line resulted in good scores, then we reverted to backward keep-ball for a while - except that we couldn't keep it and luckily Antrim couldn't shoot.

Baffling substitutions, especially taking off O'Hanlon and O'Hare - although Quinn was a massive difference when he came on.

Sideline shambles led to situation where Gough, already on an unfair yellow from a bizzare refereeing performance, was due to come off  - but not on time... the ref got to him first for something else innocuous and he saw red. The poor sub (who had been "warming up" for a good 5 minutes - i.e. he was standing shivering waiting to come on) had to sheepishly go back to his seat - pure pantomime.

Hard to see how the team was set out to play but the parts were better than the sum. If they progress it will because they  should have the natural ability to do so for it is very hard to see any organisation or pattern based on tonight.

Savage McGarry and O'hare in the forward line can do damge - if we (a) give them early ball and (b) don't substitute the best of them too early.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 22, 2012, 12:48:48 AM
Quote from: general on March 21, 2012, 10:25:47 PM
Any match report please?
The best for Down were in the forwards where Darragh O'Hanlon, Danny Savage, and Donal O'Hare all looked dangerous when on the ball. Mattie Bagnall worked well as a link man covering back in defense when Antrim were in possession and moving the ball forward when Down regained in possession. Ross McGarry did not get much possession early on as most early attacks were from ball directed to the 2 corner forwards, but when he did get more possession as the game went on he made good use of it, including a first half goal.  Chris Clarke had a quiet game and was substituted eventually in the second half by Ryan O'Hare. 

Although Down looked the better team in the first half, Antrim stayed in the hunt with a well made goal that opened up the Down defense completely. Antrim played with a lot of men behind the ball and Down were finding it difficult to break it down until Danny Savage took on, and scored, a great point from 50 metres out. The half time 'wide' count was Down 3 and Antrim 7.  If Antrim had had a better free taker they could have been on level terms at half time.

In midfield, Niall McParland was excellent.  However Conor Gough was missing for most of the first half, with 2 hand passes his only possession of the ball in the first half hour.  He got no better in the second half and his frustration showed as he picked up a yellow card.  What followed looked a bit of a fiasco.  Neil Collins got James McClean ready on the sideline, presumably to replace Conor Gough, but dillydallied so long that Gough picked up a second yellow and was sent off.  McClean eventually came on then for Donal O'Hare instead.  Darragh O'Hanlon was also substituted even though he was playing well, possibly because he was the youngest and tiring. He was replaced by Keith Quinn who made a good impact during the last 20 minutes.

Although during the second half, Down continued to find it hard to keep the score ticking over due to the large numbers of Antrim defenders, they always looked the better team.  The best score of the second half was a goal from Donal O'Hare who managed to find the narrow space between the goalkeeper and the top right corner of the net.

Scorers:
Ross McGarry 1-3 (1f)
Donal O'Hare 1-3 (2f)
McParland, Bagnall, Savage, Ryan O'Hare  ( 0-1  each)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 22, 2012, 06:05:46 PM
Lacklusture performance last night from Down some good forward play and movement but should some silly giving away of possession . Antrim if they had of taken a few of the chances they missed at crucial times their confidence would have risen and the out come would of been different . Felt sorry for Niall Mc Parland put in a great shift last night as he did on Sunday and will be expected to do again on Saturday 3 big games in a week . He looked out on his feet and could of been taken off for a break imo . Took an awful long time to get the subs on thus resulting in Gough getting a silly 2nd yellow . Donal very good as Savage but Quinn was the pick of them all even with the short time he was on . Great catches and all round play was excellent . Ross Mc Garry looked good but 2 of his points he had a man free inside if he had of lifted his head . Very small full back line which was under severe pressure everytime a high ball went in there . Where was Niall Donnelly ? Tyrone will give them alot more probelms
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on March 23, 2012, 09:48:47 AM
cheers western exile. good report. niall will have 4 big games in 7 days...glenn play on sunday too.weather he plays is a different story.

Quote from: NP 76 on March 22, 2012, 06:05:46 PM
Where was Niall Donnelly ? Tyrone will give them alot more probelms

from what i seen on bbc newsline last friday..i think i heard he got a phonecall going out the door to training fri night...so that may well be the reason he isnt ther..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on March 23, 2012, 02:03:30 PM
did league proposals go through county board last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on March 23, 2012, 02:15:30 PM
Yes the proposals went through last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on March 23, 2012, 04:12:38 PM
so what now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on March 23, 2012, 04:22:32 PM
They don't come into effect until 2013. There will be three divisions, 16 teams in one and two with the remainder in three.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on March 23, 2012, 04:30:34 PM
Team picked for tomorrow nights adventure - its time to give Armagh a bit of a hammering..... They are short and we should capitalise on this and really get stuck into them.  I would not be satisfied with anything less than a 5 - 10 point victory.  C'mon the lads......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 23, 2012, 05:26:57 PM
Quote from: John Martin on March 23, 2012, 04:22:32 PM
They don't come into effect until 2013. There will be three divisions, 16 teams in one and two with the remainder in three.

And new round robin Championships will start in 2014!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on March 23, 2012, 08:42:44 PM
So Div 1 is pointless this year, div 2 is top 6 and bottom 4 and div 3 is pointless apart from bottom2.  Am i correct in my assumption???
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Post by: Mourne Rover on March 23, 2012, 09:19:29 PM
Alba2 can hardly be serious about demanding that we hand out a hiding to Armagh at a venue where we probably have not won for two decades. A draw, which would keep us in division one for a third consecutive season, would be a perfectly satisfactory result, although we will obviously be pushing for a win which would leave us close to a league semi final place.

The intensity which we produced last Sunday mainly resulted from the realisation among the senior players that we had to beat one of the big three -  Cork, Kerry or Dublin - in the league if we deserved to be taken seriously in the summer. The first two opportunities had disappeared through highly disappointing displays, so we had a huge motivation against the Dubs.

The way they pulled so many men back probably suited our passing and running game, but Armagh will probably go for the type of physical, long-ball approach which has unsettled us in the recent past. If we can keep our discipline and our shape, something we have not always managed against the same opposition, we should be in with a decent shout. 
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Post by: ardtole on March 23, 2012, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on March 23, 2012, 08:42:44 PM
So Div 1 is pointless this year, div 2 is top 6 and bottom 4 and div 3 is pointless apart from bottom2.  Am i correct in my assumption???
Pretty much. Its kind off taken the buzz out of the league starting on sunday, this year just a case of going through the motions it looks like.

Does anyone else feel that there are just a raft of proposals made each year just for the sake of it, the way the leagues are currently structured there is no team in the county that can say they do not deserve to be in the division they are in. There is a clear distinction in quality between each league like there should be. I was critical last season about the way the fixture calender was/was not prepared but that seemed to be addressed this year.

In the new system I can see a load of meaningless games towards the end of the season when there will be maybe 8/10 teams with no hope of promotion and well clear of the 2 teams at the bottom.
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Post by: general on March 23, 2012, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 23, 2012, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on March 23, 2012, 08:42:44 PM
So Div 1 is pointless this year, div 2 is top 6 and bottom 4 and div 3 is pointless apart from bottom2.  Am i correct in my assumption???
Pretty much. Its kind off taken the buzz out of the league starting on sunday, this year just a case of going through the motions it looks like.

talk for yourself, not like that at my club
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Post by: here comes 6 on March 23, 2012, 10:59:28 PM
When Sean og decides he wants somthing he gets it apart from a new sponsor.  can this decision be appealed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 23, 2012, 11:50:23 PM
I have no doubt that those that came up with these proposals are genuinely hoping that the changes will be for the betterment of club football in Down. However, when this proposal was put to vote on Thursday night, it was the clubs that voted for it and so the responsibility lies with the clubs for allowing this to go through.

Firstly, there was absolutely nothing wrong with our Leagues as they were. A couple of changes were made a few years ago and they worked well. I agree with Ardtole's assessment that every club is generally in the Division where their abilities are best suited. I also agree with Wobbler's view that this continual intention to try to re-jig the Leagues so that shite Senior teams can be brought up to some level of parity beyond their abilities also infuriates me. As Ive said before, clubs that continually find themselves in Division 4 are there for a reason and similarly clubs that are a constantly perched in Division 1 are there for a reason too.

This re-structuring will simply mean more pointless League games, more hammerings and a bigger gulf in quality within Division 1 and 2 than there has ever been before. I hope they work out but im sceptical. Ultimately, the clubs have voted on this and I wouldn't be 100% sure that the implications of this system have been thought through. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if new plans for change were put on the table at the end of 2013.

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Post by: NP 76 on March 24, 2012, 08:39:57 AM
See Mc Keever has had his suspension lifted pending an investigation so free to play tonight . Looks like this is all going to be brushed under the carpet
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Post by: here comes 6 on March 24, 2012, 09:32:48 AM
The GAA is away to F**k and this last year has showed it totally has no regard for anyone.   
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Post by: Dubh driocht on March 24, 2012, 11:11:58 PM
While it is always disappointing to lose to them uns, I thought we played well tonight and wouldn't be too concerned about the result. We had two strong goal chances in the first half and Mc Evoy did well both times although I would have preferred Laverty to take his chance himself. Eoin Mc Cartan hit two fine points, Carr was majestic from the dead ball while Mc Kernan scored the point of the half. Most of their scores seemed to come from frees and your man Stevenson just didn't miss. The injury and Vernon's miss seemed to affect them and we should have been more in front at the break.My main concern tonight was the slowness of management to spot that their sub Lavery was clearly running the legs of Kalum to win kick-outs in the third quarter and while KK put in another super shift he was always chasing Lavery - Mc Ardle still seems raw at this level and if Kalum can last the 70 I would keep him there.Ambrose, Poly and particularly Danny put in some work and while Coldrick had a fair enough game , he should have given Danny more protection from the Armagh Head Shots ( they are dirty actions and need early punishment). A few of our big players made the wrong decision in the last 15 minutes and that cost us the game- easy to blame O'Reilly but we had 4 chances to win.They had super performances from Stevenson, Rafferty and Donaghy but we played with heart and skill in a good game. Our destiny is still in our hands but our priority is Brewster Park and I think James is on the right track so keep er lit lads.
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Post by: Crossman on March 25, 2012, 12:17:31 AM
Very disappointed with the result tonight,Down should have had Armagh well beaten,but if you constantly keep giving away cheap stupid frees,sooner or later your gona pay the penalty!!some awful defending again from the usual suspects.....
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Post by: Mourne Rover on March 25, 2012, 12:49:00 AM
It was a reasonable performance by Down in most respects, but it proved that the intensity we displayed against Dublin is not something which can be simply turned on or off. While we took a while to respond when they predictably cranked it up in the third quarter, we had more than enough chances in the closing stages to get a draw or even sneak ahead.

Hopefully we will learn from the experience, but the disappointing aspect is that a defeat away to Laois will leave us in enormous danger of slipping to a dispiriting relegattion. Of course, success in Portlaoise would leave us on the brink of a league semi final so there is all to play for.

McVeigh had another fine game, was solid under the dropping ball and his kick-outs were decent. The defence switched around in the course of the match, but big Dan was excellent at full back, struggled a little when he was pulled out to the wings but really looked the part at centre half. He got an outstanding point when pushing up, but  his careless pick from the ground on a heavily sanded pitch from a brilliiant Laverty pass deprived us of a crucial score. Funnily enough, he did exactly the same thing from another Laverty pass against Armagh in the second division final of 2010 at Croke Park.

Daniel McCartan struggled a little with high balls but otherwise looked confident and used the ball well. Brannigan was comfortable in the first half but his passing let himself down in the second and he might have been replaced earlier.

Garvey generally looked the part when he moved to full back, and the foot block call for the penalty appeared harsh without the assistance of a tv replay. McParland is a genuine prospect, and apart from a couple of lapses of concentration put in his third impressive game in the space of six days.

McKernan, as he often does, mixed the brilliant and the careless. His point was a classic, but his pass straight to an Armagh defender late on when we had options all over the place was pretty dreadful.

King was brilliant in the second quarter, but the Armagh switches at the break targeted him and apart from one great catch he was off the pace until he was replaced. Ambrose had exceptional moments and a thrilling second half point but is possibly trying too hard and on a couple of occasions in possession ran for gaps which were not there when an early ball was very much on. However, he is getting there and he was inches away from a brilliant goal.

The half forwards were our best line, and Carr's free-taking has reached a very high level. He also contributed strongly from play and is playing with considerable confidence. Hughes is top class, and was the victim of a series of cynical fouls which should have produced several yellow cards.but the perfectly fair tackle when he was dispossessed by Mallon was a big moment. Poland is getting better and better and did not deserve to be on the losing side.

Maginn gives us great balance and workrate, and his replacement was questionable although fresh legs were probably needed. Eoin McCartan kicked two fine points, although he will know that, despite a brave save, he should have had a decisive goal. Laverty's ability to find space is amazing, and if he could only shoot from distance he would be the complete footballer.

None of our substitutions worked particularly well, although you would have to feel sorry for O'Reilly over the first couple of dodgy passes he received. His late miss was unfortunate and can be put down to inexperience.

Benny looked lively and springing him from the bench continues to be a reasonable option. Quinn is capable and will improve but should learn from his yellow card, while McArdle did not really get on the ball but has potential.

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Post by: Leo on March 25, 2012, 08:14:05 AM
Mourne Rover, if you keep reporting like this we won't have to go to the  matches....
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Post by: charlieTully on March 25, 2012, 11:23:40 AM
Quote from: Crossman on March 25, 2012, 12:17:31 AM
Very disappointed with the result tonight,Down should have had Armagh well beaten,but if you constantly keep giving away cheap stupid frees,sooner or later your gona pay the penalty!!some awful defending again from the usual suspects.....

1-8 given away from stupid fouls.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 25, 2012, 11:27:20 AM
Scoring 16 points and still losing brings back memories of All-Irelandfinal of 2010.  However, last nights game was very winnable.
Most annoying for me were the 2 occasions in the first half where the referee awarded a free to Armagh  and then moved the ball forward 13+ metres into a scoring position which Stephenson converted. Even through those frees might have been questionable the Down players must learn not  to question them.
The best team lost, so it not all bad. There is work to be done but hope for a good summer yet
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Post by: Square Ball on March 25, 2012, 03:53:50 PM
Bredagh 3-3 to 0-2 up v Dromara a ht
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Post by: Square Ball on March 25, 2012, 04:27:32 PM
Bredagh won 4-10 to 0-4 against Dromara in a very sunny Cherryvale
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Post by: general on March 25, 2012, 04:53:47 PM
Glenn 0.11 - Saul 1.11

A very wasteful performance from glenn who were 0.4 to nil after 7 mins. All the same a good result for a fighting saul team. Both sides ended with 14, saul for a
Stamp and glenn for 2nd yellow. Saul also had a penalty saved just before half-time

Very disapointing day, im going to enjoy a bbq and 12 beers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 25, 2012, 05:50:26 PM
Division 4
St Pauls 1-06  Dundrum 1-17

Our first game back in Division 4 since 2005. Good to start off campaign with a win.
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Post by: dundrumite on March 25, 2012, 06:39:41 PM
ACFL Div 3 GLENN 0-11 V 1-11 SAUL; BOSCO 0-15 V 1-7 DRUMANESS; ATTICALL 2-3 V 1-5 DARRAGH CROSS; TULLYLISH 5-20 V 2-15 ARDGLASS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on March 25, 2012, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: Leo on March 25, 2012, 08:14:05 AM
Mourne Rover, if you keep reporting like this we won't have to go to the  matches....

Cant get to most of them myself but saw last night on setanta. Very Good Report.
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Post by: whitegoodman on March 25, 2012, 10:16:02 PM
A lot more positivity on here than I would have thought, I came out of the athletic grounds very deflated.  Armagh were very understrength and if we were ever going to improve our dreadful record down there it should have been last night.  The intensity and demenor wasnt even close to the previous wk.

McVeigh was decent, had no chance for the penalty and has got more variation in his kickouts.
McCartan struggled in the first 20 but kept his mand quiet after that.
Gordon has had better days, not suited to the smaller, nippier forwards.
Never really noticed brannigan or his man much, not suited to a player who is playing out the field as he isnt the greatest on the ball.
Big effort from McParland to play 3 games in 6 days. Decent if unspectacular.
Garvey was average as he has been all year.  Keep him out of the full back line please.
McKernan was poor both defensively and going forward apart from one great point.
King put in a big 50 mins but was tiring and was rightly replaced imo.
Rodgers tried hard, kicked a great 45 and a great one from play.  One his way back.
Danny put in a huge effort, took some heavy hits and kicked a couple of great points.  Needs to give the ball quicker at times.
Poland had a great 2nd half, great ball player, very intelligent.
Carr had a decent game from play and was very reliable from frees which is a bonus.
McGinn imo was poor, offers no scoring threat, works hard but so could anyone.  Maybe Im not seeing something that James and others are.
McCartan kicked 2 great points and was unlucky with goal chance, better than previous games.
Lavery is a lot of huff and puff.  For all of his good work is there enough scores out of him for a corner forward.  Id love to know what he scored thus far in the league.  Maybe somebody could prove me wrong but I dont think it would be that much.

Apart from Coulter the subs didnt really work.

My biggest concern is the lack of options and threat up front.  Ben O Reilly may have potential but are people telling me he is a better option than murtagh in there?? Will James swallow his pride and bring him back in if he performs for the harps in the first few league games?? Is mccumisky anywhere near ready??  We could do with him in 2 wks.

Finally would I be right in saying that the much maligned POR outsmarted and outwitted James and co last night.  The armagh forwards seemed to get an awful lot more space than the down forwards!!!
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Post by: charlieTully on March 25, 2012, 11:08:19 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 25, 2012, 10:16:02 PM
A lot more positivity on here than I would have thought, I came out of the athletic grounds very deflated.  Armagh were very understrength and if we were ever going to improve our dreadful record down there it should have been last night.  The intensity and demenor wasnt even close to the previous wk.

McVeigh was decent, had no chance for the penalty and has got more variation in his kickouts.
McCartan struggled in the first 20 but kept his mand quiet after that.
Gordon has had better days, not suited to the smaller, nippier forwards.
Never really noticed brannigan or his man much, not suited to a player who is playing out the field as he isnt the greatest on the ball.
Big effort from McParland to play 3 games in 6 days. Decent if unspectacular.




Garvey was average as he has been all year.  Keep him out of the full back line please.
McKernan was poor both defensively and going forward apart from one great point.
King put in a big 50 mins but was tiring and was rightly replaced imo.
Rodgers tried hard, kicked a great 45 and a great one from play.  One his way back.
Danny put in a huge effort, took some heavy hits and kicked a couple of great points.  Needs to give the ball quicker at times.
Poland had a great 2nd half, great ball player, very intelligent.
Carr had a decent game from play and was very reliable from frees which is a bonus.
McGinn imo was poor, offers no scoring threat, works hard but so could anyone.  Maybe Im not seeing something that James and others are.
McCartan kicked 2 great points and was unlucky with goal chance, better than previous games.
Lavery is a lot of huff and puff.  For all of his good work is there enough scores out of him for a corner forward.  Id love to know what he scored thus far in the league.  Maybe somebody could prove me wrong but I dont think it would be that much.

Apart from Coulter the subs didnt really work.

My biggest concern is the lack of options and threat up front.  Ben O Reilly may have potential but are people telling me he is a better option than murtagh in there?? Will James swallow his pride and bring him back in if he performs for the harps in the first few league games?? Is mccumisky anywhere near ready??  We could do with him in 2 wks.

Finally would I be right in saying that the much maligned POR outsmarted and outwitted James and co last night.  The armagh forwards seemed to get an awful lot more space than the down forwards!!!

his name is Conor Laverty, LAVERTY, its not that hard to get right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 25, 2012, 11:23:39 PM
It's a good job ur here r we would never get by.......... ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on March 25, 2012, 11:31:41 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 25, 2012, 11:23:39 PM
It's a good job ur here r we would never get by.......... ::)

pontificate to your hearts content lad but f**k sake get the mans name right,
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Post by: PAULD123 on March 26, 2012, 10:58:07 AM
I thought the key area was down our LHS  defence. McKernan and Carr covering allowed the Armagh attack to overlap time and again. They allowed them to get to the 21 and shoot. It was a night where everything went right from Armagh and they hot shots from there that will only happen a  few times a season but they shouldn't have been given the opportunity to be that fortunate. I genuinely think it was the undoing of us.

Apart from that a reluctance to take simple point scoring opportunities has been haunting us since Ross Carr took over. Why can't players just accept their scores instead of always trying to play someone in to a better position. Laverty is particularly guilty of this. He could have easily fisted the ball over the bar on two first half occasions and would have increased our lead. Even for the goal opportunity, McCartan was being closed down fast. A sensible tap over the bar would always have been the better option. The aim should always be to build a lead based on every point scoring opportunity. Especially when you are recycling so much midfield possession. If you can get a 7-8 point lead then looking for goals is done in a comfort zone and can provide the nail in the coffin. But when its tight, a great save is as big a psychological boost to the defending team as the goal would have been to the attacking team.

Sorry but I am a great believer in the old adage - "Take your points and the goals will come". In watching football for about 30 years I have never really seen any better strategy than this.
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Post by: dundrumite on March 26, 2012, 11:38:00 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 26, 2012, 10:58:07 AM
I thought the key area was down our LHS  defence. McKernan and Carr covering allowed the Armagh attack to overlap time and again. They allowed them to get to the 21 and shoot. It was a night where everything went right from Armagh and they hot shots from there that will only happen a  few times a season but they shouldn't have been given the opportunity to be that fortunate. I genuinely think it was the undoing of us.

Apart from that a reluctance to take simple point scoring opportunities has been haunting us since Ross Carr took over. Why can't players just accept their scores instead of always trying to play someone in to a better position. Laverty is particularly guilty of this. He could have easily fisted the ball over the bar on two first half occasions and would have increased our lead. Even for the goal opportunity, McCartan was being closed down fast. A sensible tap over the bar would always have been the better option. The aim should always be to build a lead based on every point scoring opportunity. Especially when you are recycling so much midfield possession. If you can get a 7-8 point lead then looking for goals is done in a comfort zone and can provide the nail in the coffin. But when its tight, a great save is as big a psychological boost to the defending team as the goal would have been to the attacking team.

Sorry but I am a great believer in the old adage - "Take your points and the goals will come". In watching football for about 30 years I have never really seen any better strategy than this.
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It was a 2 on 1, entitled to go for a goal.
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Post by: The Real Gael on March 26, 2012, 12:06:27 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 25, 2012, 10:16:02 PM

Finally would I be right in saying that the much maligned POR outsmarted and outwitted James and co last night.  The armagh forwards seemed to get an awful lot more space than the down forwards!!!

Totally agree here whitegoodman and I think credit where credit is due, both Paddy O Rourke and Sean O Hare deserve a lot of credit and its obvious their knowledge of Down players from their previous stint in charge of our seniors and U21s has helped here.

Looking at the tables though, a win against Laois and its top 4 for us.
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Post by: snoopdog on March 26, 2012, 12:36:01 PM
Was disappointed also on leaving Armagh on Sat night. I know any Armagh team arent gonna let Down go there and dictate the Game but regardless of the scoring of Armagh be it silly frees or not, Down had the winning of this game and i agree with what is said above, our forwards look for perfect scores instead of  taking the oppurtunitites when they open up.
McCommiskey is needed back and Murtagh would be a big plaus if he came back in. I think we should beat Laois in Portlaois, they arent great, Down should be able to beat them  and we will prob play Kerry in a semi final.
top 4 would be a great achievement considering we were bottom just over 2 weeks ago.
Has Division 1 ever been so open.
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Post by: NP 76 on March 26, 2012, 12:42:42 PM
WGM just on your point on the scorers Cnor Laverty has scored 2 pts from full forward in 6 games does alot of work but needs to be scoring more imo . He should of tapped that ball over the bar instead of flicking the ball to Eoin it would keep the score board ticking over . By the time it came to Eoin the keeper was already on his way out and left the angle very tight . In all our games to date our starting full forward line has contributed 1 goal and 6 points thats not enough for a potent forward line is it ? Our half forward have scored 18 points from play and our half back line has chipped in with 1 goal 7 pts . We have a good spread of scorers but not enough from the men closest to the goals . I still maintain the weak link to the defence is Mc Kernan . I said this last year about him retreating back and marking space . All this does is invite the opposition on to us this didnt happen against the Dubs where everyone of our players picked up a man and followed him everywhere thus not letting the quick kickout why change it when it worked so effectively? . Mc Kernan cant mark and cant play the sweeper role Daniel Mc Cartan must of had a sore throat shouting at him on Sat night because he really wasnt helping the backs at all . All Armaghs scores came from the rhs of the field they knew to attack it because they knew Mc Kernan wouldnt be there and also if they were fouled Stevenson would tap them over . Our defence comes in for some un due critism at times surely we cant afford to carry a passenger in there . I know Kevin has a great turn of speed and many great attributes but you need a man that is going to defend first and foremost and i honestly think Benny Mc Ardle would be a better option here . Alot of people are saying that this was Armaghs 2nd team but i dont buy into this as i can remember all the talk before the champiuoship last year of how many of them had won minor and u 21 medals . This was Armaghs big do or die game the same as we had one the week before against Dublin . The luck was with them on the night and not us so we have to lift it again for Laois . I didnt think it really was the place to throw in young O Reily to make his debut would rather of saw an experienced man like Murtagh with the ball in his hand at that late stage but not O Reilys fault as there was chances missed before that . Why not throw big Kalum in to the edge of the square for the last ten mins and give Donaghy something big to handle but its gone now so need to start thinking of the next day
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Post by: whitegoodman on March 26, 2012, 01:15:44 PM
Agree with alot of what has been said this morning.

Im not sure if McKernan is being told whether to drop back or he is doing it of his own accord but if he is doing it himself he should be told to mark his man or join us on the line.  Rooney, O Hagen, Turley's or Benny McArdle would be better options "defensively" there.  I also wouldnt rule out playing McKernan further forward, maybe in Maginns role.  There is more of a scoring threat and as good at winninig break ball.

Interesting stats on LAVERTY.  He does indeed work hard and create scores but if we are to reach Q/F's and beyond we would need more potency from here especially if Benny isnt able to contribute as many scores as he once did.  1 6 in 6 games just isnt enough from ur inside line. Its used to be with Murtagh, Clarke, Benny, Laverty and McCumiskey we had plenty of options in the FF line and the half forward line was the weak link but that has now turned.  With the lack of options available throwing Kalum into FF may have been a decent option on saturday night as NP says.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 26, 2012, 01:55:53 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 26, 2012, 01:15:44 PM
....Im not sure if McKernan is being told whether to drop back or he is doing it of his own accord but if he is doing it himself he should be told to mark his man or join us on the line.  Rooney, O Hagen, Turley's or Benny McArdle would be better options "defensively" there.  I also wouldnt rule out playing McKernan further forward, maybe in Maginns role.  There is more of a scoring threat and as good at winninig break ball...

Was just thinking that myself. I find it hard to justify leaving such a fit, powerful player as McKernan out. But if he won't mark then he can't justify playing in defence. Perhaps if we commit him to a forwards role it will be more effective. certainly he would bring strength to that zone and could act as an auxiliary midfielder. But the same question remains. Would he work as hard as Maginn? Maginn does a lot of tracking back and covering.

WGM comments all along about McKernan not being suited to wing back definitely seem to be coming true.
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Post by: goldenyears on March 26, 2012, 03:00:32 PM
WGM, great synopsis, spot on with so many of those opinions. Most disappointing thing for me was we had it won once or twice and couldnt seal the deal. Great credit to Armagh, they will be over the moon with their win. Those are real bad games to lose - most of you will know what I mean. I definitely think we need a scoring threat from every single forward - the old mantra used to be every forward should kick 2 scores in the game, giving you 12 scores which is hard to beat 80% of the time all the time  ;)
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Post by: dundrumite on March 26, 2012, 06:00:07 PM
Maybe a strange question but do any of you remember a 7s game between the mcgoverns of burren and Cunningham of bryansford in a 7s game? Got me thinking of families that would be particularly strong. The johnstons  would include Ben and Jamie o'reilly, the branagans of kilcoo and Ryan and jerome Johnston. Can anybody think of any other such families around the county with an array of talent?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 26, 2012, 07:32:34 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 26, 2012, 06:00:07 PM
Maybe a strange question but do any of you remember a 7s game between the mcgoverns of burren and Cunningham of bryansford in a 7s game? Got me thinking of families that would be particularly strong. The johnstons  would include Ben and Jamie o'reilly, the branagans of kilcoo and Ryan and jerome Johnston. Can anybody think of any other such families around the county with an array of talent?

The Corr's of County Louth are a very talented family. Andrea is very handy with the tin whistle, Sharon is a dab hand with the violin, Caroline can work a bodhrán rightly while Jim knows his way about a keyboard.

Wouldn't be too sure how'd they perform on a football pitch though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 26, 2012, 08:20:17 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 26, 2012, 07:32:34 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 26, 2012, 06:00:07 PM
Maybe a strange question but do any of you remember a 7s game between the mcgoverns of burren and Cunningham of bryansford in a 7s game? Got me thinking of families that would be particularly strong. The johnstons  would include Ben and Jamie o'reilly, the branagans of kilcoo and Ryan and jerome Johnston. Can anybody think of any other such families around the county with an array of talent?

The Corr's of County Louth are a very talented family. Andrea is very handy with the tin whistle, Sharon is a dab hand with the violin, Caroline can work a bodhrán rightly while Jim knows his way about a keyboard.

Wouldn't be too sure how'd they perform on a football pitch though.

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=4206.0

You might want to take that to this thread
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on March 26, 2012, 08:37:04 PM
McCartans of tullylish could give his a fair crack.  Im sure someone would sponsor a mobile home around Laurencetown for a few days
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 26, 2012, 08:41:21 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 26, 2012, 06:00:07 PM
Maybe a strange question but do any of you remember a 7s game between the mcgoverns of burren and Cunningham of bryansford in a 7s game? Got me thinking of families that would be particularly strong. The johnstons  would include Ben and Jamie o'reilly, the branagans of kilcoo and Ryan and jerome Johnston. Can anybody think of any other such families around the county with an array of talent?

McCartans, Kanes and Blaneys are all connected...doubt if there was a hypothetical 7s competition anyone would beat that combination...McGoverns would give it a brave rattle though!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 26, 2012, 09:23:40 PM
After an amazing result against the dubs last week where the boys where brilliant I couldn't believe we couldn't beat an Armagh seconds team.Our defence continues to foul far too easily and in the end this was a major factor in the defeat as Armagh got 1-8 from placed balls.
Our management team deserve credit for getting the wins in mayo and against the all Ireland champs but paddy ORourke continues to outfox them against the orchard in meaningful games.
The personnel used as subs apart from Benny, who should be starting IMO every game, reeked of pure favouritism.
Our best players on sat included ambrose, Carr, Hughes, Poland and laverty, all form players in this league campaign. Laverty played very smartly and done what he does best, terrorise defences and be a playmaker. I agree he should take his own scores at times but he is an unselfish player. I would like to see him score more but he has the cuteness to create openings and that has to be recognised.
Laois will not be easy as they need the win, so we are not out of the woods yet.
Saturday was the place to set down a marker against the orchard and we failed to get anything out of the game which was disappointing especially after such a morale boosting victory in Newry against the Dubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on March 26, 2012, 11:06:46 PM
Having been at the game and having watched it again on tv - i honestly wonder Aidan Carr brings to the team apart form free kicks.  Mark Poland can hit thema nd gets through far maore work than Carr.  That lad that had his leg broke - carragher - jasus the snap can be heard on the tv.  Hope he makes a good recovery - dont like when young players with whole career ahead of them get bad injuries. Now for laois.  They hit 1.13 yesterday and hit loads of wides as well.  they seem to be working hard in games although i was talking to an Armagh supporter on sat night and he reckoned Laois are th worst team in the league by far.  yes they Beat Armagh but he reckoned with 15 players they would have taken them. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 27, 2012, 11:01:49 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 26, 2012, 09:23:40 PM
After an amazing result against the dubs last week where the boys where brilliant I couldn't believe we couldn't beat an Armagh seconds team......

I think there has come a time for some level headeness about the Armagh team that won. Yes it was understrength and what a fantastic job they did to play with such desire and determination. But a lot of posters on this forum are giving them some near mythical David vs Goliath status. Don't forget we were missing Rafferty, Rooney, G MCCartan, McComiskey, Doyle, Murtagh and Benny was not fully fit. So basically Down were missing at least 4 players who would have started if fit (Doyle, Rooney, G McCartan, Benny). Armagh were 4 perhaps 5 players short of their full side.

McDonnell is not an Armagh player any more and Ronan Clarke is never likely to ever play again, so let's not say they were understrength because of players who will never be there. If that is the case then we were missing Marty Clarke and Mooney!! So let's be clear - Mallon, Donaghy, Dyas, McKeever, Duffy, Vernon, Padden, Mallon and Rafferty will start in the Ulster Championship against Tyrone. That's 9 of the starting outfield 14 who are the first choice team. Apart from the keeper (who would hardly improve the team much) there are only 2 Cross players certain to start - Kernan and Clarke. 

With a full squad to choose from it is likely that M O'Rourke would start and probably Toner/Mackin, but they could easily lose their place to Lavery or McKenna who both played. And won't it be hard to drop Stevenson after a masterclass in free taking?

This was not an Armagh reserve side by any means, it was an understrength side missing two class players (Clarke & Kernan) who played a Down side without some of our best defenders. Well done Armagh and they deserve credit for the display but they were by no means the ramshackle troupe of have-a-go heros they are being portrayed as.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 27, 2012, 01:19:29 PM
Thats a fair point Paul.  I came out of Armagh very flat having suffered a defeat against a very much understrength Armagh team.  However on reflection in realilty probably 10 of that Armagh team will start against Tyrone.  It still doesnt take away from the frustration of the feeling of leaving one behind and what might have been.

MDG you mention favourtism with the subs, they took off the managers brother and the selectors nephew so where did u see the favourtism? If its back to the old chestnote of Anton McArdle I thought it was the right call at the time when King was tiring and we were chasing the game.  It obviously didnt work but I thought he was a better move than bringing on a defensive midfielder in Turley.

On Laverty,yes he has contributed to numerous scores this year but with Carr and Poland in the side do we not have enough playmakers?  Playing in a 2 man FF line especially, the need for score taking is essential and the return from not only Laverty but also Coulter, McCartan or whoever else has played in that line to date this year hasnt been enough.  Its not for the want of trying with Laverty but I feel he needs to be a bit more selfish, a bit of ruthless, a bit more clinical.

I would love to see Benny and Laverty starting in Fermanagh with McCumisky and Murtagh to come after 50 mins to shake things up.  I do agree with u that Benny should be starting, he is still Downs most lethal forward and needs more than 20 mins a game to show it.;

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 27, 2012, 05:13:53 PM
does anyone know if these guys will be ready for the Ulster Championship?
Rafferty, Rooney, G MCCartan, McComiskey, Doyle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on March 27, 2012, 05:53:17 PM
McComiskey tore us to shreds on Sunday.. Looked fit as a fiddle!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 27, 2012, 06:20:17 PM
was disappointed leaving the athletic grounds on saturday night, as a down man you never want to lose to armagh be it their 1st, 2nd or ladies team. the match was there for the winning and we couldnt kick on. it now leaves us with a tough game away to laois to avoid possible relegation if other results go against us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 27, 2012, 07:51:52 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 27, 2012, 05:13:53 PM
does anyone know if these guys will be ready for the Ulster Championship?
Rafferty, Rooney, G MCCartan, McComiskey, Doyle

Wouldnt take this as gospel but from what ive heard rafferty is running again but a bit away from kicking a ball never mind playing intercounty football, Rooney is training again, not aware of any injury to G McCartan, I thought he was just taken off for tactical reasons against Dublin, McCumiskey is close to full fitness if not already there, not sure of Doyles injury.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 27, 2012, 10:02:56 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 27, 2012, 07:51:52 PM
....Wouldnt take this as gospel but from what ive heard rafferty is running again but a bit away from kicking a ball never mind playing intercounty football, Rooney is training again, not aware of any injury to G McCartan, I thought he was just taken off for tactical reasons against Dublin, McCumiskey is close to full fitness if not already there, not sure of Doyles injury.

Surprised there hasn't been talk about this in Burren. Maybe he doesn't want too much said but I have it from a relative of his that he has a minor problem that needs a bit of medical attention. Hopefully if that's all it is then he should be okay in a week or two.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 27, 2012, 11:41:18 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 27, 2012, 01:19:29 PM

MDG you mention favourtism with the subs, they took off the managers brother and the selectors nephew so where did u see the favourtism?

Ben O'Reilly comes from nowhere to stake a claim against a fired-up Armagh side in a must-win game??
Any relation to JJ?
This sort of thing belomgs to the 1950's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on March 28, 2012, 08:09:58 AM
Quote from: Leo on March 27, 2012, 11:41:18 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 27, 2012, 01:19:29 PM

MDG you mention favourtism with the subs, they took off the managers brother and the selectors nephew so where did u see the favourtism?

Ben O'Reilly comes from nowhere to stake a claim against a fired-up Armagh side in a must-win game??
Any relation to JJ?
This sort of thing belomgs to the 1950's.
The biggest msytery of all seems to be how Anton keeps getting game time. There was a major sye of disapointement when the Down support seen him coming on. Surely the supporters cant all be wrong??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 28, 2012, 11:06:48 AM
Anton is really young but he is big and he is strong. In the absence of Gough he will be the future of our midfield. It will take him time to get his head around playing inter-county football but he must be developed. I wish people would not object so much to him playing. What other midfielder in the county can we develop? In 4-5 years when there is no more Rogers or King (maybe sooner) who will be expected to replace them? I only see McParland and McCardle as the options. Are there any other suggestions? It is correct to develop this young talent.

However I do feel that chasing a victory against an aggressively determined Armagh side away from home with the tide against us was not a great time to introduce young players. I personally would have brought in Turley but I see why WGM thinks that would have been too defensive. But at least he would have been physical.

As for O'Reilly, did we not have Miskelly or McConville on the bench? I didn't have a programme so not sure what our options were.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 28, 2012, 12:02:25 PM
IFC Winners
1993 Ballymartin
1994 Ballyholland
1995 Saval
1996 Bosco
1997 Attical

Anyone know who any of these teams beat in the Final's?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 28, 2012, 01:30:40 PM
We only had 3 subs on the bench who were forwards Benny, O Reilly and Arthur . Would like to see Murtagh back on the panel even for the subs role he played in 2010 . He has experience of the big days and will battle hard . As for Anton and O Reilly and probaly Arthur also these lads are the future as Paul says they need time to adopt and are not going to be the finished article straight but they need the experience at the top level . They also need to be involved in the training to gain the correct conditioning and weight training for the long term benefit . I for one commend James for giving youth a chance although it doesnt always work out but we cant afford to have a group of players retire and have no one there to take their place . This happened before after Pete and we are still rebuilding because alot of lads never got the chance to develop they were threw in at the deep end and expected to perform
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 28, 2012, 01:49:06 PM
Down Fanatic,


1993: Ballymartin beat Ballyholland
1994: Ballyholland beat Annaclone
1996: Bosco beat Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Gael on March 28, 2012, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on March 28, 2012, 01:30:40 PM
We only had 3 subs on the bench who were forwards Benny, O Reilly and Arthur . Would like to see Murtagh back on the panel even for the subs role he played in 2010 . He has experience of the big days and will battle hard . As for Anton and O Reilly and probaly Arthur also these lads are the future as Paul says they need time to adopt and are not going to be the finished article straight but they need the experience at the top level . They also need to be involved in the training to gain the correct conditioning and weight training for the long term benefit . I for one commend James for giving youth a chance although it doesnt always work out but we cant afford to have a group of players retire and have no one there to take their place . This happened before after Pete and we are still rebuilding because alot of lads never got the chance to develop they were threw in at the deep end and expected to perform

This didnt happen before under Mc Graths rein - that was a totally different problem altogether, Mc Graths problem was he held on too long to players who were clearly well past their best and didnt give youth a chance at all and missed out on a whole generation of player, Mc Cartan meanwhile is too concerned with a different type of loyalty, a family loyalty, getting rid of guys like Murtagh who have been around for years and werent good enough is however a positive move... Bringing in guys from an U21 team like O Reilly, Mc Ardle etc... who failed to even win a game at their own level isnt a great move - we are not good enough and the sooner people realise that then the less shit talk there ll be on here...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 28, 2012, 05:49:41 PM
Attical beat Annaclone in 97
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 28, 2012, 06:29:46 PM
any word on timmy hanna or darren o hagen? are they injured or not on the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 28, 2012, 09:31:03 PM
O'Hagan played against us for hilltown a few weeks ago. Must just not be on the panel. So many comings and goings in te county panel it's hard to keep track of who is there. Did anyone know O'Reilly was onboard?

On another note is the national league semi final on the same weekend as Div 1&2 in down start? Will the Friday (13th) games be postponed if down get to semi final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 28, 2012, 09:45:19 PM
Quote from: supersub on March 28, 2012, 09:31:03 PM
O'Hagan played against us for hilltown a few weeks ago. Must just not be on the panel. So many comings and goings in te county panel it's hard to keep track of who is there. Did anyone know O'Reilly was onboard?

On another note is the national league semi final on the same weekend as Div 1&2 in down start? Will the Friday (13th) games be postponed if down get to semi final?
OHagan decided to leave the squad as far as I know. Ben orielly got called up in the week leading to the dublin game, really don't understand the managements thinking, we have enough small forwards plus I don't no where they seen him show form to earn a call up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 28, 2012, 10:38:38 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 28, 2012, 09:45:19 PM
Quote from: supersub on March 28, 2012, 09:31:03 PM
O'Hagan played against us for hilltown a few weeks ago. Must just not be on the panel. So many comings and goings in te county panel it's hard to keep track of who is there. Did anyone know O'Reilly was onboard?

On another note is the national league semi final on the same weekend as Div 1&2 in down start? Will the Friday (13th) games be postponed if down get to semi final?
OHagan decided to leave the squad as far as I know. Ben orielly got called up in the week leading to the dublin game, really don't understand the managements thinking, we have enough small forwards plus I don't no where they seen him show form to earn a call up.

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ziggysego on March 29, 2012, 12:16:55 AM
My friend wanted me to come onto the interwebby thing, as she called it, to ask all Down people a wee question. Is Danny Hughes single? She's mad about him and any wee glimmer of hope would delight her.

Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on March 29, 2012, 02:17:59 PM
any one think they can make predictions for div3 and 4 this weekend just for the craic
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 29, 2012, 03:26:46 PM
St Michael's V Bredagh

Mitchels V St Paul's

Dromara V Ballykinlar

Aughlisnafin V Bright

Aghaderg- V Teconnaught

Can't find the proper set of div 3 fixtures to make a go at
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on March 30, 2012, 08:39:21 AM
Sunday 1st April ACFL 3

Drumaness v Glassdrumman

Ballymartin v Attical

St John Bosco v Darragh Cross

Ardglass v vSaul

Glenn v St. Johns

Tullylish v Drumgath



And dundrumite has already posted div 4 fixtures
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on March 30, 2012, 09:41:21 AM
Sunday 1st April ACFL 3

Drumaness v Glassdrumman - Cricket Score

Ballymartin v Attical

St John Bosco v Darragh Cross

Ardglass v Saul

Glenn v St. Johns

Tullylish v Drumgath       DRAW

ACFL Div 4

St Michael's V Bredagh

Mitchels V St Paul's

Dromara V Ballykinlar

Aughlisnafin V Bright

Aghaderg- V Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 30, 2012, 10:13:35 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on March 30, 2012, 08:39:21 AM
Sunday 1st April ACFL 3

Drumaness v Glassdrumman

Ballymartin v Attical

St John Bosco v Darragh Cross

Ardglass v vSaul

Glenn v St. Johns Persume two lads starred.

Tullylish v Drumgath



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on March 30, 2012, 10:51:33 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on March 30, 2012, 10:13:35 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on March 30, 2012, 08:39:21 AM

Glenn v St. Johns Persume two lads starred.

Glenn are not holding their league campaign on 2 players...thats what a squad is for
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on March 30, 2012, 12:50:49 PM
It's only my opinoin that the loss of two inter county players will make a difference to this particular result. I may be right I may be wrong, however an opinion is an opinion. I Never said anything about Glenn basing whole league campaign on these two individuals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 30, 2012, 02:06:37 PM
Division 3 is a complete minefield this year. Anybody can beat anybody and its doubtful that there will be one dominant team. Top end teams will be playing for the right to be crowned Division 3 champs while teams at the bottom will be scrambling to avoid relegation to the new Division 3 next year.

Still can't fathom why the majority of our clubs have voted for the new League structures. The more I look at them, the more unappealing they have become. We spent the past few years refining our League product and now we are undoing all that good work. These new arrangments could turn out to be an unmitigated disaster and ive a feeling that we will be going back to the drawing board sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 31, 2012, 11:06:02 PM
The shock victory for Mayo over Dublin (12 points) means very simply that we must avoid defeat next week to Laois by 2 points or more to avoid relegation.

If we lose by more than two points we will be relegated if Armagh wins or loses (bar an absoloute massacre for Dublin or Mayo by more than 25 points)

If Armagh draw then we are safe so long as we don't lose by by eleven.

If we win then we are guaranteed to be in a semi-final.

It really is a time for the lads to show some character.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on April 01, 2012, 01:40:02 AM
If we lose by just one point we could still go down if other results go against us, as we could end up in a head to head on 6 points.

Btw, Mayo beating Dublin was not such a shock
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 01, 2012, 10:12:45 AM
its been a strange old div 1 campaign for all teams.  But in my opinion if we cant beat Laois regardless of where it is played then we dont deserve to be in the top flight. in my opinion they are a very poor team. Down just need to go out and play football and they should win. Id be very disappointed if i travel to Portlaois on Easter sunday and we cant take all 2 points,it would be a major backward step in my view.
Down being Down though are capable of anything can reach an All Ireland final one year after getting beat by wicklow the year before and a goal line clearance from defeat in Ennis the next. The sublime with the ridiculous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 01, 2012, 12:36:35 PM
Drumaness v Glassdrumman -

Ballymartin v Attical

St John Bosco v Darragh Cross
Ardglass v Saul

Glenn v St. Johns

Tullylish v Drumgath       
ACFL Div 4

St Michael's V Bredagh, being played on Thursday

Mitchels V St Paul's

Dromara V Ballykinlar

Aughlisnafin V Bright
Aghaderg- V Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 01, 2012, 04:19:58 PM
Saul put about 12 points on ardglass in an impressive display in ardtole
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on April 01, 2012, 05:36:35 PM
 :)well Newbie you are the only pundit to nearly get it right with your forecast of a draw between tullylish and drumgath,A great game but the drums shaded it by 2 points T  0-10  d  0-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 01, 2012, 10:52:11 PM
O'Neills ACFL Div 3

01.04.12 (Sun)

Round 2


Ardglass 0-8 V 3-11 Saul

Time: 3 00 PM , Venue: Ardglass GAC

Referee: Damien Laverty



Round 2

St John Bosco 2-9 V 0-12 Darragh Cross

Time: 3 00 PM , Venue: St John Bosco

Referee: Declan Ryan



Round 2

Glenn 2-8 V 1-17 St John's

Time: 3 00 PM , Venue: Glenn

Referee: Dominic Kearns



Round 2

Ballymartin 2-9 V 0-14 Atticall

Time: 3 00 PM , Venue: Longstone

Referee: Shane Lowey



Round 2

Tullylish 0-10 V 0-12 Drumgath

Time: 3 00 PM , Venue: Tullylish

Referee: Peter Brannigan



Round 2

Drumaness 0-5 V 4-12 Glasdrumman

Time: 3 00 PM , Venue: Drumaness

Referee: Ciaran Branagan



O'Neills ACFL Div 4

01.04.12 (Sun)

Round 2


Mitchels 4-13 V 2-8 St Paul's

Time: 3 00 PM , Venue: Mitchels

Referee: Gavin Finnegan



Round 2

Dromara 3-12 V 0-7 Ballykinlar

Time: 3 00 PM , Venue: Dromara

Referee: Eddie Morgan



Round 2

Aghaderg 0-7 V 3-11 Teconnaught

Time: 3 00 PM , Venue: Aghaderg

Referee: TBC


No referee turned up for the Aughlisnafin v Bright game.

St Michaels v Bredagh to be played this week.

Dundrum had a bye.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on April 01, 2012, 10:57:59 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 30, 2012, 02:06:37 PM
Division 3 is a complete minefield this year. Anybody can beat anybody and its doubtful that there will be one dominant team. Top end teams will be playing for the right to be crowned Division 3 champs while teams at the bottom will be scrambling to avoid relegation to the new Division 3 next year.

Still can't fathom why the majority of our clubs have voted for the new League structures. The more I look at them, the more unappealing they have become. We spent the past few years refining our League product and now we are undoing all that good work. These new arrangments could turn out to be an unmitigated disaster and ive a feeling that we will be going back to the drawing board sooner rather than later.

Think you got that right
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Gael on April 02, 2012, 01:21:17 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 31, 2012, 11:06:02 PM
The shock victory for Mayo over Dublin (12 points) means very simply that we must avoid defeat next week to Laois by 2 points or more to avoid relegation.

If we lose by more than two points we will be relegated if Armagh wins or loses (bar an absoloute massacre for Dublin or Mayo by more than 25 points)

If Armagh draw then we are safe so long as we don't lose by by eleven.

If we win then we are guaranteed to be in a semi-final.

It really is a time for the lads to show some character.

You have too much time on your hands  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 03, 2012, 02:03:54 PM
Bookies will favour 4 home wins!!  Then Down and Armagh go down!!!
Tough game for Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 03, 2012, 02:22:08 PM
Quote from: The Real Gael on April 02, 2012, 01:21:17 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 31, 2012, 11:06:02 PM
....If we lose by more than two points we will be relegated.....
You have too much time on your hands  :P

Clearly not because I got it wrong:

If Armagh draw then we are more or less safe as we only have to avoid a 10 point defeat.

If Armagh don't draw and if Donegal wins, or Dublin lose, or Mayo lose then we must avoid a 3 point defeat.

If Armagh beat Donegal, & Dublin win or draw (Cork), & Mayo win or draw (Kerry) then any defeat will send us into division two.

Of course a win sends us into the semi-finals  ;)

No doubt about it a win is almost certainly needed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 03, 2012, 05:46:21 PM
I see in today's fixtures in Irish news Down have a full round of fixtures in premier reserve league pencilled in for Sunday. The only county in ulster with fixtures on Easter Sunday. Surely this round could have been played mid week allowing Easter Sunday to be free for players, managers and officials involved in these games. Down playing in a very important game in Laois also, no chance for guys involved to support the team either. Surely they could have been fixed for an alternative date.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 03, 2012, 06:57:05 PM
I know rostrevor v bryansford is on Saturday evening, not sure if it is just this game or the whole list.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 03, 2012, 07:33:41 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 03, 2012, 02:22:08 PM
Quote from: The Real Gael on April 02, 2012, 01:21:17 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 31, 2012, 11:06:02 PM
....If we lose by more than two points we will be relegated.....
You have too much time on your hands  :P

Clearly not because I got it wrong:

If Armagh draw then we are more or less safe as we only have to avoid a 10 point defeat.

If Armagh don't draw and if Donegal wins, or Dublin lose, or Mayo lose then we must avoid a 3 point defeat.

If Armagh beat Donegal, & Dublin win or draw (Cork), & Mayo win or draw (Kerry) then any defeat will send us into division two.

Of course a win sends us into the semi-finals  ;)

No doubt about it a win is almost certainly needed

down need to win simple as that. everything else that might happen should be at the back of their minds. after the victory over the dubs defeats to armagh and laois would be a step backwards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Student Dissertation on April 04, 2012, 09:45:29 AM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 04, 2012, 09:58:55 AM
Quote from: Student Dissertation on April 04, 2012, 09:45:29 AM
Hi, I'm a final year student in the University of Ulster compiling my dissertation on Sports Nutrition. I'm doing a survey on the GAA.

If you could please just take two minutes to fill out the survey,it would be greatly appreciated.

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 04, 2012, 10:05:22 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 03, 2012, 02:22:08 PM
If Armagh draw then we are more or less safe ........

On a more optimistic note than yesterday it has to be said that we should win. We are certainly more than capable of winning. Focusing on the positive and looking at what happens next if we win then we would be in the semi-finals.

Assuming we beat Laois:
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Student Dissertation on April 04, 2012, 10:22:48 AM
Pauld123,

Many thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on April 04, 2012, 06:25:09 PM
Leaving for casement shortly. Very little talk about it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 04, 2012, 08:40:01 PM
Half time in Casement
Down 0-4 Tyrone 0-9.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 04, 2012, 09:22:22 PM
down beaten tonight in casement in u21 semi final. down 1-8  tyrone 0-16 final score
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 04, 2012, 10:21:22 PM
Disappointing display at Casement tonight from management and players, and we were probably flattered by a five point defeat. We were amazingly only two behind with ten minutes left, and had a couple of chances to get even closer, but Tyrone finally woke up and pulled away fairly convincingly in the end.

It was very surprising that Keith Quinn was left on the bench when we looked lightweight at the back and big Gough was out of sorts and seemed to be carrying an injury at midfield. Quinn appeared after about 15 minutes, which was telling, but Gough switched to full forward and we mainly stayed without an extra defender when we were getting overrun by the Tyrone attack.

Gough did not return after the break, but it made little difference as Tyrone were yards faster all over the field and led 0-13 to 0-05 at one stage. Quinn and McParland finally began to get a grip at midfield going into the final quarter, and with McKibben  an increasing influence at wing half back, we suddenly found a bit of space and managed 1-3 without reply. Donal O'Hare had not really got into the game but pulled off a great catch before scrambling in the goal.

However, a couple of misplaced passes and a lack of general belief allowed Tyrone to get back into their stride and we could have no complaints about the margin of defeat.  Given that our minor side of three years ago got to an AI semi final, and we also had many of the St Colman's team which won two Hogan Cups in a row, we might have expected better. At the same time, the loss of Caolan Mooney and Shea McMcCartan plainly hit us badly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 04, 2012, 10:42:39 PM
Tyrone superior all over the field.They had a good spine -McNally,Warnock, Donnelly, Canavan and McAliskey looked like senior players while Keith Quinn and Davy Mc Kibbin towards the end were the only Down players with a bit of drive. Down didn't read the game at all in the first half which doesn't say a lot about our management- first time I ever remember a Down team coming out to a second half to no applause. TBF they showed a bit of balls in the third quarter but there was only one winner of this game after the first five minutes.The Tyrone machine rumbles on while our underage teams are consistently less than the sum of the parts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on April 04, 2012, 11:02:23 PM
In a nutshell brutal by all.  Alot of the boys playing for Down now dont seem to have pride in the Jersey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 04, 2012, 11:10:06 PM
Disappointed for the lads tonight. Some of them battled gamely. Never easy on young lads losing a Championship game after putting in months of hard work. However, I very rarely critiscise Down teams on this board but that tonight was woeful.

It was very clear from the outset that Down had no strategy. Even if we had of had one, it would be hard to fathom if we could of actually adhered to it.

Tyrone trundled along in 3rd gear for the majority of the game. They generally looked comfortable and assured on the ball. Our boys seemed to lack any sort of belief in what they were doing. We ran down blind alleys, continually took the ball into the tackle and failed to get any sort of proper ball into the forward line.

Physically Tyrone were immense. They had big players all over the pitch while the Down side lacked any serious physical presence. It would be interesting to see what Tyrone are doing with their top prospects in the 18 - 20 age range. They were in supreme condition.

As has been pointed out, this group got within a whisker of an AI Minor Final three years ago and we also have the pick of two very talented Hogan Cup winning teams. We should have been a lot closer to Tyrone.

It is clearly time for new management. One win in three years says it all.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on April 04, 2012, 11:52:16 PM
 :-[pete mc grath was picked out of sentement rather than sense. he is yessterd;s hero.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 05, 2012, 12:00:16 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 04, 2012, 11:10:06 PM
Disappointed for the lads tonight. Some of them battled gamely. Never easy on young lads losing a Championship game after putting in months of hard work. However, I very rarely critiscise Down teams on this board but that tonight was woeful.

It was very clear from the outset that Down had no strategy. Even if we had of had one, it would be hard to fathom if we could of actually adhered to it.

Tyrone trundled along in 3rd gear for the majority of the game. They generally looked comfortable and assured on the ball. Our boys seemed to lack any sort of belief in what they were doing. We ran down blind alleys, continually took the ball into the tackle and failed to get any sort of proper ball into the forward line.

Physically Tyrone were immense. They had big players all over the pitch while the Down side lacked any serious physical presence. It would be interesting to see what Tyrone are doing with their top prospects in the 18 - 20 age range. They were in supreme condition.

As has been pointed out, this group got within a whisker of an AI Minor Final three years ago and we also have the pick of two very talented Hogan Cup winning teams. We should have been a lot closer to Tyrone.

It is clearly time for new management. One win in three years says it all.

I totally agree with you here.  Other management set ups would not be allowed to stay as long with as little success.  I dont think we can harp on bout minor team and st colmans teams here - lads mature at different rates and some never mature into footballers we see at underage - there are countless people i could mention here who ripped up shit at underage but cant produce it beyone minor.  Down have no structure in place for underage, the development squads are a joke and there are at least 6 minors playing club football this year who have not made the county team for reasons beyond me.  The u21s is cut throat - one beating - out.  no back door - no second chances.  the management have had few players with the seniors - but thats fine - this is what we expect and its a good thing in many respects. But its how they handle the lads they have at their disposal.  taking back Quinn, Gough, Mc Parland into the fold from seniors should have been easy.  The management are simply not up to it.  But then again - they gave their time and we have to respect them for that - who is out there we could get that will do a better job?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 05, 2012, 12:16:38 AM
The Down u21 management team - which, despite the strange previous post, does not include Pete McGrath - has completed three seasons in charge. They were unlucky not to beat Tyrone 12 months ago, which would have been quite an achievement, but their first and last years did not work out and they will be expecting to move on. It is perfectly reasonable to mention the colleges and minor players who were available to them while also highlighting the stars who have gone overseas. Unfortunately, with a couple of exceptions, our general record at Ulster underage level has been in decline for some time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 05, 2012, 01:45:43 AM
Wasn't at Casement but after seeing a good U21 squad struggle against a  very limted Antrim team in Newry I had as much expecttation as our so-called "management" Jaysus they must love us in Tyrone.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 05, 2012, 02:33:15 PM
Quote from: lucan on April 04, 2012, 11:52:16 PM
:-[pete mc grath was picked out of sentement rather than sense. he is yessterd;s hero.

Pete has nothing to do with the U21s!!!!!!

As for the management I think the comments about the 2009 minors and Hogan cup teams success are very valid. It shows the difference a good manager makes and it appears we do not have one. Cathal Murray is as much responsible for the St Colman's success as Mooney, McCartan, Gough...... It is a pity Murray is not involved in the county setup.

It shows that it is not simply having a good set of players but also being able to form a team out of them. Sadly that has not been the result for the last few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 05, 2012, 03:48:57 PM
Cathal Murray is taking saul this year, ha got them very very fit and do look like a decent side!

Iv heard from a very reliable source that the former minor management of desi kennedy, mark turley and martin mcgarry are waiting in the wings if the under21 management comes available
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Gael on April 05, 2012, 05:17:58 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 05, 2012, 02:33:15 PM
Quote from: lucan on April 04, 2012, 11:52:16 PM
:-[pete mc grath was picked out of sentement rather than sense. he is yessterd;s hero.

Pete has nothing to do with the U21s!!!!!!

As for the management I think the comments about the 2009 minors and Hogan cup teams success are very valid. It shows the difference a good manager makes and it appears we do not have one. Cathal Murray is as much responsible for the St Colman's success as Mooney, McCartan, Gough...... It is a pity Murray is not involved in the county setup.

It shows that it is not simply having a good set of players but also being able to form a team out of them. Sadly that has not been the result for the last few years.

Mc Grath has nothing to do with it your right, he s too busy making a shambles of the minors! Could someone please explain how boys like Collins and Mc Grath get these posts, should they become vacant should there not be some sort of interview process and try to get the best people for the job.

As for your Murray comments Pauld123, dont make me laugh, everyone knows Mussen did all the work up there and was totally responsible for the success along with having an exceptional team where they plucked the best players from all around other schools in Down, think its time for someone with a track record at this age like Sean Ward from Burren possibly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 05, 2012, 08:05:43 PM
Bredagh beat St Michaels 6-13 to 0-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 05, 2012, 11:53:19 PM
Mc Grath has nothing to do with it your right, he s too busy making a shambles of the minors! Could someone please explain how boys like Collins and Mc Grath get these posts, should they become vacant should there not be some sort of interview process and try to get the best people for the job.

As for your Murray comments Pauld123, dont make me laugh, everyone knows Mussen did all the work up there and was totally responsible for the success along with having an exceptional team where they plucked the best players from all around other schools in Down, think its time for someone with a track record at this age like Sean Ward from Burren possibly.
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Totally agree here - how do these people get these jobs... dont throw the old - pete mc grath owes this county nothing at me - he threw away a minor championship last year in armagh.  Sean Ward is in with St Johns this season - let him cut his club managerial teeth here and see how he gets on.  he had a conveyor belt of talent in Burren so lets see how he copes with a real job now..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 06, 2012, 01:39:06 AM
Does anyone know what will happen with the first rounds of league fixtures if down get to semi final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on April 06, 2012, 11:51:53 AM
Real Gael & Alba - you must be on the wind-up! To try and undermine Pete McGrath and Cathal Murray?? Their records would show them to be among the top coaches in our county. Catch a grip
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 06, 2012, 12:07:36 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on April 06, 2012, 11:51:53 AM
Real Gael & Alba - you must be on the wind-up! To try and undermine Pete McGrath and Cathal Murray?? Their records would show them to be among the top coaches in our county. Catch a grip
i never mentioned Murray - i have the utmost respect for the man - his name just happened to be in the quote i used... He is a man that should get a job at inter county minor or u21 level.  Someone who is fresh, up to date but a proven winner.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on April 06, 2012, 12:49:58 PM
Clancy named as full forward , wonder will big Dan be moved back on him . Could be interesting .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 06, 2012, 02:49:38 PM
I for one dont think Kennedy , Turley and Mc Garry should get a chance they had that group of lads at minor and threw away an All Ireland imo . The game the other night was desperate Tyrone were at least 10 pts the better team . They were far superior in all aspects of play and the sheer physical strength they had was awsome . Down couldnt even break the tackle . There obvivously wasnt much strength and conditioning done in the pre season . The 2 corner backs was destroyed and both were kept on to the end was it not sensible to make a change in there to try and help things ? I thought the Down lads looked totally out on their feet . I would like to see Murray and Mussen given a chance with these lads because they work well together and would know alot of them from schools football . The last time Dan was on Clancy he got a red card hope this doesnt happen this week and we get a good rub of the green to push us on into the semi final .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 06, 2012, 03:36:35 PM
Sweet Lord do not Give Turley, Kennedy and McGarry another intercounty job!! What is it with this trio? It seems like there is some kind of mystical theory that these are some kind of braintrust, some superb managerial team, when all they really done was win the Minor AI title in 2005 and they have lived off that since! And lets not forget, that team featured Garvey, McKernan, Duffin, Colgan, Fitzpatrick, Clarke, Kelly, Brannigan, McComisky, virtually a dream team like. I would near think a monkey could have managed that team at the time and still produced the same results.
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Post by: southdown on April 06, 2012, 04:29:20 PM
Any team news?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 06, 2012, 04:55:31 PM
According to Downgaa.net, the team for Laois is -

1 Brendan McVeigh,2 Daniel McCartan. 3 Dan Gordon, 4 Aiden Branagan, 5 Niall McParland, 6 Brendan McArdle, 7 Conor Garvey
8 Ambrose Rogers 9 Kalum King 10 Daniel Hughes 11 Mark Poland 12 Aidan Carr 13 Conor Laverty  14 Brendan Coulter 15
Arthur Mc Conville.

The big talking point is the dropping of Kevin McKernan, although he can realistically have few complaints. His ability is unquestioned, and he scored a wonder point againt Armagh, but he cost us two or three others through non-marking and his misplaced pass late in the game was a decisive moment. He came back from a period on the bench in 2010, and he is well capable of doing the same again.  Benny McArdle has waited quite a well for his chance and will not let anyone down. He does not offer McKernan's potential pushing forward, but he is a much more natural defender.

Conor Maginn is also left out, which looks a little harsh, although he needs to get into more scoring positions. While McConville is presumably back as a left-sided free taker, his conversion rate has not been great so far. Benny was always likely to replace Eoin McCartan, who still kicked two fine points against Armagh.

With McComiskey hopefully among the subs, we have a few options as the space opens up. It is a big match by any standards, and may be quite a tight one. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Gael on April 06, 2012, 06:10:24 PM
we should win comfortably by at least 7 or 8 points, Mc Kernan being dropped is long long over due
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on April 06, 2012, 09:47:56 PM
As quoted by eaglelord " And lets not forget, that team featured Garvey, McKernan, Duffin, Colgan, Fitzpatrick, Clarke, Kelly, Brannigan, McComisky, virtually a dream team like " . . . . reality check needed here with some people with regards some of our players. Clarke and to an extent McKernan but the others are alright club players wouldn get a look in in many other counties. .

Also some very unfair critcism of Pete McGrath here the man owes down gaelic football nothing, his record is second to none and the only reason anyone can have any gripes with him is cause you were obviously not good enough to feature in any of his teams and are begrudging of him!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 06, 2012, 10:56:48 PM
Centre 3/4s is right to defend Pete McGrath, who has an amazing track record. As has been noted here before, Down have only won eight Ulster titles of the 75 available at minor, u21 and senior in the last quarter of a century (1986 to 2011), and six of them were under McGrath. Taking into account his two senior and one minor All Irelands, a last-second defeat in the 2009 u21 AI final, and his contribution to St Colman's, he is an icon in our county.

However, Centre is wrong to question the quality of the 05 minor AI champions. They won their quarter final against Galway by three points, the semi against Offaly by eight points and the final against Mayo by ten points, which were probably the biggest margins achieved by any Down side on the way to AI success.

Most of that team have gone on to play senior county fooball, while the likes of Ryan Kelly and Ciaran Brannigan can say that without dispute they were among the best forwards in Ireland in their age group in 2005. It is impossible to predict how minors will progress at senior level, but we had a special group in 2005 by any standards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 07, 2012, 12:12:54 AM
Pete Mc Grath is beyond reproach and deserves every honour the Co. can bestow upon him. The dropping of Kevin Mc Kernan is a bad move, every player has bad games, but where the talent is there they should be supported, this could affect his confidence coming into the championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 07, 2012, 09:35:49 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 06, 2012, 04:55:31 PM
According to Downgaa.net, the team for Laois is -

1 Brendan McVeigh,2 Daniel McCartan. 3 Dan Gordon, 4 Aiden Branagan, 5 Niall McParland, 6 Brendan McArdle, 7 Conor Garvey
8 Ambrose Rogers 9 Kalum King 10 Daniel Hughes 11 Mark Poland 12 Aidan Carr 13 Conor Laverty  14 Brendan Coulter 15
Arthur Mc Conville.

The big talking point is the dropping of Kevin McKernan, although he can realistically have few complaints. His ability is unquestioned, and he scored a wonder point againt Armagh, but he cost us two or three others through non-marking and his misplaced pass late in the game was a decisive moment. He came back from a period on the bench in 2010, and he is well capable of doing the same again.  Benny McArdle has waited quite a well for his chance and will not let anyone down. He does not offer McKernan's potential pushing forward, but he is a much more natural defender.

Conor Maginn is also left out, which looks a little harsh, although he needs to get into more scoring positions. While McConville is presumably back as a left-sided free taker, his conversion rate has not been great so far. Benny was always likely to replace Eoin McCartan, who still kicked two fine points against Armagh.

With McComiskey hopefully among the subs, we have a few options as the space opens up. It is a big match by any standards, and may be quite a tight one.

Heard Danny pulled up at training, would be surprised if he plays tomorrow!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on April 07, 2012, 12:07:39 PM
This bullshit that players are dropped because they had a poor game is stupid.  Wee James wants to try a few players out and by givng Benny McArdle a start doesnt mean all bad for McKernan.  Are you people tring to say the Coulter was dropped this last couple of Matches?   Rested more in line
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 07, 2012, 01:09:12 PM
While I agree with this normally, given the is a must win game I don't think it's time for resting players.
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Post by: whitegoodman on April 07, 2012, 01:37:50 PM
I dont think McKernan or Maginn can have to many complaints at losing their places.  They have been dropped not rested.  If we were resting players would we not be resting McParland who has started 4 games in 3 wks rather than McKernan who has played 2 games since December???

It remains to be seen whether Benny actually starts given he has been named to start in the last few games but hasnt.

McConville is a surprising/interesting one.  He came in from the cold and then wasnt seen for a while and now is back in again.  His free taking wasnt up to scatch previously and it remains to be seen whether it has improved enough.  Not for me but hope he proves me wrong to tomorrow.

At the risk of sounding like a repetative handbell the score getting remains a big issue for me.  Hopefully McCumisky is ready to make some sort of impact tomorrow but we could also do with a flying fit Benny back to his best.

On another note heard Rooney pulled up in training recently so he would be a severe doubt for championship.  The back 6 tomorrow could be very close to the championship 6 depending on whether McKernan comes back or not.  Still would have liked to see Turley tried at CHB but doesnt look like James has an interest in trying that out.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 07, 2012, 06:33:38 PM
Danny would be a loss as he has been consistently good but we beat Donegal without him and we need to win tomorrow. Management stints seem to average out around 3 years unless you are Mickey Harte. James had a spectacular first year and a reasonable second year. So far he has had a mixed year three but tomorrow will be significant. We have a good chance to get to an Ulster Final but anything beyond that is bonus territory. If the Championship doesn't go to plan I suspect James, as a proud man, will want to leave a team in reasonable shape.To leave the team in the top division for a third successive year would be no mean achievement, especially if they also got to a Division One final or semi-final.A poor championship and relegation would not be what James would want on his CV so the significance of tomorrow is clear.
We have a bit of history with Laois as the Clancy-Dan incident left a bit of a bad taste and the two boys should be in direct opposition. Add in the Billy Sheehan/Justin Mc Nulty factor and the fact that the loser tomorrow goes down and we should be set for a third successive championship tempo game. Apart from the Cork and Kerry games, Down have given full value in this campaign.Danny's injury should allow Maginn back in and , for me, he brings an excellent balance to the team; an intelligent grafter and while Poly has rightly grabbed the headlines, I really like seeing the way Maginn literally 'slashes' through defences. While Mc Kernan may be a loose marker, is there anyone who seriously thinks Brannigan is a better footballer? Aidan gives his all and does what he is told but at this level we need our class players in the starting 15. Looking forward to it; the rain should stay off and we need to get behind our lads and get the win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 07, 2012, 06:52:29 PM
U don't need to be a great footballer to play corner back, u need to be able to mark a man, something brannigan can do and mckernan struggles with.

I've never seen mcginn "slash" through a county defence in all my days watching down. To be fair he win some breaking ball but slashing through defences, I've yet to see it

I do agree Danny would be a big miss tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on April 07, 2012, 07:16:01 PM
any results from div 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 07, 2012, 08:18:58 PM
Quote from: lucan on April 07, 2012, 07:16:01 PM
any results from div 3

Glasdrumman 2-06  Bosco 1-07
Drumgath 2-13  Glenn 1-09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on April 07, 2012, 08:25:09 PM
Drumgath beat Glenn by 8 r 9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 08, 2012, 04:36:28 PM
Down play Cork again!!!
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Post by: Pangurban on April 08, 2012, 05:56:49 PM
Third time lucky
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Post by: SHEEDY on April 08, 2012, 06:33:17 PM
well done to james and all the players on qualifying for the semi finals. at the start of the campaign most people were tipping us to struggle. only 3 home games and the loss of some of players to oz being the reasons most were giving for tipping us for relegation. most supporters would have settled for survival in div1 but to get to the semi final is a great achievement.

we now get an extra game or maybe 2 before the championship. hopefully we can give cork a better game this time even though it looks like we'll probably be missing danny hughes dan gordon and niall mcparland due to injuries. great to see big arthur prove some of his critics wrong today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 08, 2012, 07:01:27 PM
Well done to James and the lads...good season so far...couldnt make it due to ACPRL games on >:( >:(...anyone know how this will affect the start of the leagues next week???
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Post by: DownFanatic on April 08, 2012, 07:10:29 PM
Great going by Down. I thought after the Kerry game that we would be in a struggle to keep our Division 1 status. However, I was gladly proved wrong. Four wins and a semi final place is a very satisfactory achievement considering the personnel that we are having to do without.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 08, 2012, 07:17:16 PM
Congratulations to James, his management team and players for securing a third consecutive year in Division One and a semi-final place to boot. Strong team performance today;...however, Laois looked short of confidence and their 8 first half wides were indications of a team short of confidence. We on the other hand had strong performances from one to fifteen. I will pick out a few for mention; Brendy was super and has had a good league overall-only one poor clearance today but a commanding presence in the squad.Garvey,Mc Ardle and Quinn when he came on were solid. Ambrose in patches but particularly Kalum did well against Quigley and O'Loughlin. Carr, Laverty and Arthur Mc Conville stood up and were counted. However, the pick of the bunch- yet again- was Big Dan and his injury was the reason for a subdued journey home. Clancy never won a ball against him and he will be a loss against the big Cork men-let's hope he and Daniel are OK for Fermanagh. Not sure if there will be enough to justify opening Croke next week but hey- we'll go anywhere. Proud to be a Downman tonight.
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Post by: Pangurban on April 08, 2012, 08:30:31 PM
Is the Down traing regime contributing to the fact that we have so many Hamstring injuries, or are we just unlucky
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Post by: NP 76 on April 08, 2012, 08:54:47 PM
Well done to James and the lads today . To stay up this year was going to be a big ask without Clarke but the boys gave their all and stood up to the plate . A hard fought win today with some very good aspects and some awful ones but a great result today . The younger lads will have gained great experience this year and another year of top flight football will do them the power of good . Delighted today for big Arthur who put in a great shift as did Brannigan who covered every blade of grass on the field . Big Kalum did alot of donkey work to let Ambrose roam against 2 big physical men . Just the one bad note was the injuries to the 2 Dans lets hope they arent out for to long . I think James has done alot of work this year with injury prevention this year with the 2 girls looking after alot of the conditioning . We dont have half the number of injures we did last year and most of the ones we have now are recurrences of old injuries from last year
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Post by: Mourne Rover on April 08, 2012, 10:00:49 PM
It was a strange game and a patchy performance, but a brilliant result which puts us well into bonus territory approaching the championship. There are very tight margins in the first division, and if Laois had scored a goal with ten minutes left -which they nearly did - they would have been a point behind us and quite capable of going on to get the three-point win which would have relegated us. Instead, McVeigh made a brilliant save, we closed the game out confidently and are now back at Croke Park for the semi against Cork next Sunday.

We should probably have guessed that Laois were lacking in confidence when it transpired that our support out-numbered the home fans by at least three to one. It was also noticable that both teams were banned from the tunnel after the carry-on against Armagh and entered the field from opposite corners of the stand.

McVeigh, as mentioned, proved again that he is a fine shot-stopper with a great pair of hands. He did not always find a colleague with his kick-outs, but it is an aspect of his game which is still steadily improving.

Dan McCartan defended well throughout but unusually let himself down with his distribution more than once. Big Dan looked like an All Star at full back, and never gave Clancy a sniff before his unfortunate injury. Hopefully it will only be a twisted ankle as he is a key figure for us. Branagan gave everything, as ever, and can be forgiven for the odd poor pass.


McArdle and Garvey were both in fine form, with Garvey getting up for an impressive point and McArdle a contender for man of the match. McParland looked tired after the u21 match in mid-week, struggled from the start and might have been replaced even before his injury. Quinn, who had not played the full u21 game, really looked the part when he came on and can take a score as well.

Our midfield was a puzzle, as it started well, almost completely fell apart on either side of half time and finished in total control. King played a massive role, tackling without giving away frees and forcing turnovers repeatedly. He needs to take a breather every so often, but his fitness is improving. Ambrose also lost his way for a while, but by the final quarter was showing his special brand of leadership, commitment and skill.

Poland, who was captain for the day, was largely out of sorts, and took quite a few wrong options, but stuck at it and looked more like himself towards the end. McKernan seem much happier without marking duties, found space well and was unlucky not to get a goal. Carr worked very hard throughout, but his free-taking was nowhere near the level he produced against Armagh.

Laverty is becoming the idol of the fans, and might have set up three goals as well as punching to the net himself. Benny got his first goal of the year, and getting closer to his true standard, although cuteness is replacing mobility in some respects. The surprise of the day was McConville, who took some great catches and was unlucky not to get a goal as well. He is raw, but gives us a decent left-footed option.

The other subs appeared too late to make much difference, and it would be great to see McComiskey back on the bench next Sunday. Maginn was not be seen, but we need him in the squad as well.

All in all, it was a day to be proud of our panel and the management deserve recognition for a job well done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on April 08, 2012, 10:02:42 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 08, 2012, 07:01:27 PM
Well done to James and the lads...good season so far...couldnt make it due to ACPRL games on >:( >:(...anyone know how this will affect the start of the leagues next week???

Why would this affect the start of the leagues?  There is 30 county players and at least 400 1st and 2nd div players waiting to get the league going
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 08, 2012, 10:08:44 PM
a good win in portlaois today. Not a great performance in my opinion , We were second best  around the middle for most of the game. Still doing too much work to take a score. Arthur mcConville had a good game and in fairness we couldve had another 2 or 3 goals.
The injuries to the 2 Dans is worrying.
It will be interesting to see how we cope with Cork after 3 hidings in a row against them. Personally cant see anything but a defeat next week. But fair play for keeping Div 1 status for another year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 09, 2012, 02:15:39 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on April 08, 2012, 10:02:42 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 08, 2012, 07:01:27 PM
Well done to James and the lads...good season so far...couldnt make it due to ACPRL games on >:( >:(...anyone know how this will affect the start of the leagues next week???

Why would this affect the start of the leagues?  There is 30 county players and at least 400 1st and 2nd div players waiting to get the league going

There are more than 30 county players and what you said is totally out of context. So what if there are 400 players, if your telling me the likes of the bridge will be happy to play without Garvey, coulter Quin, ford without maginn king etc and loughinisland without dan and Ben o'reilly then u must be joking. Obviously the clubs will want their strongest teams out for the start of the league and this includes county panelists.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on April 09, 2012, 08:16:47 AM
I think it is vital for Div 1 & 2 to go ahead  this week. Just make it a starred game and do away with one of the other starred games later on. The clubs will have been tailoring their training to suit friday nights start. We have to respect the effort every player puts in whether they be county or club.

Great that Down are in the semi final but we have to also ensure the development of all club players to ensure the standard is kept up. As a above play away and replace the fixture later in the year.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 09, 2012, 10:02:01 AM
It's great to have the dilemma of starred games so early in the season but I agree with Forever Green- the leagues must start and while the clubs might not be happy supersub, we need a strong county team and strong leagues.
On Dan's injury, I was looking at the Stephen Ferris situation following his ankle injury against Aironi.The more I look at Ferris, the more I think of a great Mourne expression - it was a gaigue. I think Ulster pulled a flanker to confuse Munster as there was little wrong with Ferris. A 'world authority' on ankle ligament/muscle damage ( which is only a guess at what Dan suffered) stated that the injury should be examined again after 48 hours so it is probably too soon to comment. However, she went on to say that for full recovery it is at best, six weeks but if an operation is required, it will be 6 months.Dan is so important to us that he mustn't be rushed back too soon so whatever the diagnosis I would try Garvey, Mc Ardle or P Turley at FB against Cork- they will need practice there before facing the Bomber Quigley in Enniskillen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 09, 2012, 01:16:53 PM
Would have no doubt Ferris was injected and strapped to the max for the game at the weekend. Was talking to a reputbale physio on Saturday morning and he said it is very common for the teams to do this and deal with it in the long term after the season/competition
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on April 09, 2012, 03:13:09 PM
So call the games of this weekend maybe then for the league final and dont forget the county training weekend!  Yeah that sounds good and the normal club player just keep training.   Time people started being wise.  No county players means even more players getting Senior club football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 09, 2012, 05:43:55 PM
You know the fuss that is made by some clubs about starred games etc losing their best players so it is obvious that there is going to be debate over it and it is not a forgone conclusion to keep the league games on as you are suggesting. I have no issue with this by the way as our club has none but I'm just looking at it from those who rely heavily on theirs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on April 09, 2012, 08:20:21 PM
Any div 3 results today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 09, 2012, 08:41:52 PM
Dundrum 2-8 Mitchels 2-7.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 09, 2012, 08:48:12 PM
O'Neills ACFL Div 3

09.04.12 (Mon)

Round 3

Darragh Cross 0-5 V 1-13 Ballymartin

Saul 1-9 V 1-9 Tullylish

Ardglass 0-13 V 2-7 St John's



O'Neills ACFL Div 4

09.04.12 (Mon)

Round 3

St Paul's 3-14 V 0-6 Dromara

Bredagh 0-14 V 0-6 Aughlisnafin

Ballykinlar 1-5 V 2-11 St Michael's

Dundrum 2-08 V 2-07 Mitchels

Bright 0-09 v 0-08 Aghaderg



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 10, 2012, 10:15:21 AM
Well done Down on reaching the semi-final. I'm looking forward to a bonus trip to Dublin. But I have to say that there were a few worrying things about the match at the weekend.
But don't get me wrong, it is great we are not only still in Division one but also in the top four. How fantastic these days are compared to the dark days of only a few years ago when we were flailing around on muddy division 3 pitches. In terms of setting us up for the championship opener at Enniskillen, a semi-final in Croke park is a great boost. Maybe we'll get even more if we are lucky??? Fermanagh are on a high after their terrific league results. But now Down can feel confident having come out in the elite group in the top flight. I feel the level of confidence in the team will be the single most important factor when we step out in Brewster Park. Confidence, more than anything else, allows a team to shake off the shackles that come with expectation. And Down will have a lot of expectation placed on them on 3rd June.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 11, 2012, 01:36:51 PM
April 19th
Down club football and hurling Championship's draw

Is the First round to played on 2nd week of June??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Marshes on April 11, 2012, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: umpire on April 11, 2012, 01:36:51 PM
April 19th
Down club football and hurling Championship's draw

Is the First round to played on 2nd week of June??

Championships are round robin this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 11, 2012, 02:22:53 PM
Quote from: The Marshes on April 11, 2012, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: umpire on April 11, 2012, 01:36:51 PM
April 19th
Down club football and hurling Championship's draw

Is the First round to played on 2nd week of June??

Championships are round robin this year

I thought the Round Robin championship start in 2014!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 11, 2012, 02:58:04 PM
Yeah they do
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 11, 2012, 04:23:16 PM
All 1st & 2nd Div games plus the Glenn game are off on Monday night. Friday nights games go ahead and are starred.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 12, 2012, 11:36:42 AM
The following county panelists are released to play for their clubs tomorrow night.

Nial Brannigan (Kilcoo)
Gerard McCartan, Donal OHare and Anton McArdle (Burren)
Ciaran Brannigan and David McKibben (Bryansford)
Ben ORielly (Loughinisland)
Gerard McAnulty (Liatriom)
Michael McAllister (Clan na banna)
Marcus Miskelly (Darragh cross)
Eoin Costello (Bredagh)
Kevin Duffin (Castlewellan)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on April 12, 2012, 12:38:16 PM
Positive is that Ben o'reilly and Anton are now not near the team. Happy Days
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SpiritOfDunaval on April 12, 2012, 04:22:32 PM
In all honesty lads, do we really need re fixed at the start of the league. Would it not be simpler to Starr Fridays game along with Mondays, and depending on results ( hopefully a down win) star next weeks games too? Its gonna work out in the long run as Division 1 is a farce this year with no relegation, and the teams that will eventually come up, regardless of who there missing will accumulate enough points in remaining fixtures?


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 12, 2012, 09:56:08 PM
After maybe 5 rounds of games in Div one, apart from the top teams there is no incentives for the other teams to do well.

Will there be changes in order to give team some incentives, maybe play the Round Robin Championships next year based on this year positions in Div 1 and top 6 in Div 2??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 13, 2012, 12:42:00 AM
Down ACFL Division 2
Carryduff 0-03  Annaclone 2-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 13, 2012, 06:22:47 PM
I know we are in low-key mode but in the last 50 years has there ever been as little hype about a Down appearance at Croke Park ? With Cork and Kerry not known for bringing support outside All Ireland finals, and Mayo unlikely to attract crowds ,I reckon we could be looking at the lowest ever attendance  for League semi-finals. Which is a shame as our lads have, for the second year in a row, finished as the top Ulster team in the league. I think we should get out and support James and the team - they have put in the effort to bring us to the top table and that should be appreciated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 13, 2012, 08:29:22 PM
ACFL Div 1
Bryansford 1-4 Kilcoo 0-7

Poor game between 2 weakened teams in this local derby. Negative tactics employed left the game to watch an awful spectacle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 13, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 13, 2012, 08:29:22 PM
ACFL Div 1
Bryansford 1-4 Kilcoo 0-7

Poor game between 2 weakened teams in this local derby. Negative tactics employed left the game to watch an awful spectacle.

Low scoring game above, but high scoring game below!!

Burren 5.11 Mayobridge 1.8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 13, 2012, 08:53:31 PM
Div 1 results
Bryansford 1-4 Kilcoo 0-7
Downpatrick 1-8 Ballyholland 0-6
Clonduff 1-9 Longstone 0-8
Burren 5-11 mayobridge 1-8
Castlewellan 1-13 saval 0-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on April 13, 2012, 08:54:29 PM
Castlewellan beat a weakened Saval team, Downpatrick beat ballyholland, Bridge Hammered by Burren,  Hilltown beat the Stone!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 13, 2012, 08:56:07 PM
Division 4
Dromara 1-08  Dundrum 2-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on April 13, 2012, 08:58:13 PM
ACL Div 3: Bosco 0-10 Tullylish 0-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 13, 2012, 09:01:25 PM
Down team for Sunday
Brendan McVeigh
Daniel McCartan
Brendan McArdle
Declan Turley
Kevin McKernan
Niall McParland
Conor Garvey
Kalum King
Ambrose Rodgers
Peter Turley
Mark Poland
Aidan Carr
Arthur McConville
Conor Laverty
Brendan Coulter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on April 13, 2012, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 13, 2012, 08:29:22 PM
ACFL Div 1
Bryansford 1-4 Kilcoo 0-7

Poor game between 2 weakened teams in this local derby. Negative tactics employed left the game to watch an awful spectacle.

Just about as bad a game as i have ever witnessed we were short ok but the ford must have been short at least 10 seniors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 13, 2012, 09:13:29 PM
The Down starting 15 was predictable enough, but there will probably be some switching about. Most people will expect Peter Turley to move to full back, where he last played against Fermanagh in the 09 USC, although he has not had a run in the position since his return to the squad this year. McKernan did well at wing half forward last week but it would probably be sensible for him to play as an extra defender this time round. While it is something of a surprise that Quinn is not starting, Damien Turley will not let anyone down.

It has been a low-key build up, as Dubh Driocht says, but Cork will be overwhelming favourites and appear to have named their strongest available side. Although we would still have a decent chance if Gordon and Hughes were fit, it will take something special to get us through to the final. They have scored nine goals against us in the last three meetings, winning by 11, 12 and 13 points respectively, so we are clearly up against it. However, these are the matches when we get a realistic view of our prospect for the summer, so it is quite an opportunity for our guys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 13, 2012, 09:31:29 PM
Liatroim 0-7 Rostrevor 0-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 13, 2012, 09:49:23 PM
Tonight's Results

Down ACFL Division 1

Downpatrick 1-8 V 0-6 Ballyholland

Castlewellan 1-13 V 0-11 Saval

Clonduff 1-9 V 0-8 Longstone

Bryansford 1-4 V 0-7 Kilcoo

Mayobridge 1-8 V 5-11 Burren


Division 2

Warrenpoint 1-16 V 1-9 Kilclief

Shamrocks 1-4 V 1-9 Loughinisland

Liatroim 0-7 V 0-9 Rostrevor

Clann na Banna 1-9 V 1-13 An Ríocht

Carryduff 0-3 V 2-14 Annaclone


Division 3

Glasdrumman 2-9 V 0-14 Saul

Darragh Cross 0-12 V 0-10 Drumgath

St John Bosco 0-10 V 0-7 Tullylish

Atticall 1-4 V 1-11 St John's

Drumaness 1-6 V 0-12 Ardglass

Ballymartin 0-07 V 0-07 Glenn


Division 4

Teconnaught 0-4 V 0-8 Bright

St Michael's 3-12 V 1-9 St Paul's

Dromara 1-8 V 2-14 Dundrum

Aghaderg 1-5 V 2-7 Bredagh

Aughlisnafin v Ballykinlar - Off

Mitchels - Bye








Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on April 13, 2012, 10:01:16 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 13, 2012, 06:22:47 PM
I know we are in low-key mode but in the last 50 years has there ever been as little hype about a Down appearance at Croke Park ? With Cork and Kerry not known for bringing support outside All Ireland finals, and Mayo unlikely to attract crowds ,I reckon we could be looking at the lowest ever attendance  for League semi-finals. Which is a shame as our lads have, for the second year in a row, finished as the top Ulster team in the league. I think we should get out and support James and the team - they have put in the effort to bring us to the top table and that should be appreciated.

Quote from: umpire on April 13, 2012, 09:01:25 PM
Down team for Sunday
Brendan McVeigh
Daniel McCartan
Brendan McArdle
Declan Turley
Kevin McKernan
Niall McParland
Conor Garvey
Kalum King
Ambrose Rodgers
Peter Turley
Mark Poland
Aidan Carr
Arthur McConville
Conor Laverty
Brendan Coulter


Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 13, 2012, 09:13:29 PM
The Down starting 15 was predictable enough, but there will probably be some switching about. Most people will expect Peter Turley to move to full back, where he last played against Fermanagh in the 09 USC, although he has not had a run in the position since his return to the squad this year. McKernan did well at wing half forward last week but it would probably be sensible for him to play as an extra defender this time round. While it is something of a surprise that Quinn is not starting, Damien Turley will not let anyone down.

It has been a low-key build up, as Dubh Driocht says, but Cork will be overwhelming favourites and appear to have named their strongest available side. Although we would still have a decent chance if Gordon and Hughes were fit, it will take something special to get us through to the final. They have scored nine goals against us in the last three meetings, winning by 11, 12 and 13 points respectively, so we are clearly up against it. However, these are the matches when we get a realistic view of our prospect for the summer, so it is quite an opportunity for our guys.

Moved to the County discussion thread lads. You can thank me later my fellow Downites  :D

Lets go you red and blacks!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 13, 2012, 10:13:38 PM
Cork team for Sunday
Alan Quirke,
Ray Carey, Michael Shields, Eoin Cotter,
Noel O'Leary, Graham Canty, Paudie Kissane,
Alan O'Connor, Pearse O'Neill,
Fintan Goold, Patrick Kelly, Paul Kerrigan,
Colm O'Neill, Aidan Walsh, Donncha O'Connor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on April 13, 2012, 10:14:36 PM
Quote from: umpire on April 13, 2012, 10:13:38 PM
Cork team for Sunday
Alan Quirke,
Ray Carey, Michael Shields, Eoin Cotter,
Noel O'Leary, Graham Canty, Paudie Kissane,
Alan O'Connor, Pearse O'Neill,
Fintan Goold, Patrick Kelly, Paul Kerrigan,
Colm O'Neill, Aidan Walsh, Donncha O'Connor.

Our survey says.... ERR ERR

Moved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 13, 2012, 10:24:42 PM
Div 3 Result

Ballymartin 0.07 Glenn 0.07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 13, 2012, 11:02:22 PM
Centre 3/4s would have to say the Harps Downpatrick game would rival any game as being the worst . It was desperate stuff from the start to the finish . Someone told me that Downpatrick had 8 minors playing tonight and yet Ballyholland couldnt turn them over . Ronan Murtagh was a big loss to Ballyholland but Downpatrick were without the 2 Turleys and i didnt see Telford there deserved win for Downpatrick . No big surprises on the Down team for the weekend hope we put in a good shift and another tanking is not on the cards .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 14, 2012, 12:01:38 AM
Harps brutal tonight V RGU. Terrible game in perfect conditions. Turning point was us missing a penalty when a point up. This gave RGU a massive boost and they deservedly went on to win. We have the magpies up next... :-\...massive improvement needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 14, 2012, 12:04:07 AM
Was down at the big devision one derby tonight in Mayobridge.  Heard the bridge team called out with a fine mix of experience and underage talent alot of which played on the u21s this year.  then the burren team was read out and i feared th worst for them.  inexperience in full back line, in midfield - but some household names up front.  By god they gave some performance.  It was a pleasure to watch and as i left the grounds at the final whistle thinking of whom both teams were missing etc im pondering - are the bridge well and truly finished?? I think they are... Totally outclassed from start to finish (apart form a 6 or 7 minute lull in the second half when burren realised the game was won) by a weakened Burren outfit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on April 14, 2012, 09:47:14 AM
Was down an the An Riocht Banbridge game last night, decent game on poor field. An Riocht had to dig deep to come away with the points, Chris Killen hit 1-6 for us. Have to say though, Banbridge is a poor poor ground for football, has to be one the poorest in the county, spectators literally on the field with the players, making it near impossible for linesmen to give decisions, pathetic!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on April 14, 2012, 09:59:51 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on April 14, 2012, 09:47:14 AM
Was down an the An Riocht Banbridge game last night, decent game on poor field. An Riocht had to dig deep to come away with the points, Chris Killen hit 1-6 for us. Have to say though, Banbridge is a poor poor ground for football, has to be one the poorest in the county, spectators literally on the field with the players, making it near impossible for linesmen to give decisions, pathetic!!

You've not been to Magheralin then have you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 14, 2012, 10:26:42 AM
Lads no jokin here, talking about football grounds!! I was out in the aran islands this week and on one of the islands (inis iorr) there was a fantastic football pitch!! Full size, all marked out and fences and very good stop nets!! Makes ya wonder!! Them facilities on a island just full of rock! Not to mention the 3g training pitch! Think that team plays in the galway 2nd league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 14, 2012, 11:38:29 AM
I happen to agree with Don Johnson that it would be better to have a seperate County and Club thread. But until everyone else takes up his suggestion I'm posting in both places.

The team shows a lot of messing about. But in fact the only missing player from last week is Gordon. Why not just a straight switch Turley for Gordon and leave the rest of the team unchanged? So maybe Turley goes in straight for Grodon at FB or maybe he playes CHB and McCardle drops to FB. But that was the only alteration that was actually required. The team played quite well last week and as teh game went on the passing improved. Now we start with yet another new formation. This can hardly help the players to know what the other guys will be doing around them.

Too many changes are not a good thing. Kerry and Cork field fairly consistent sides and last year Dublin did the same. In our best recent year 2010, we had a very settled first fifteen and I am sure that helped the team interact with each other as well as they did. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 14, 2012, 09:23:26 PM
All very quiet over in the bridge...youse got some hidin from the noisy neighbours...what the fcuk happened??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Gael on April 14, 2012, 10:33:14 PM
Interesting start to our senior leagues this weekend, Cant help but feel some clubs will treat the league with serious contempt this year due to the zero relegation in division one. Ballyholland, Longstone, Saval and these other small clubs who regularly flirt with relegation, what is their motivation now this year??????

Result of the night goes to the mighty men from Burren, a previous poster hit the nail on the head, the bridge are finished and have been for some time, while the men from St Marys could be set to dominate our game for the foreseeable future which will help extend their underage recruitment even further outside their parish  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Faceinthecrowd on April 14, 2012, 10:58:04 PM
Talk about Burren underage..........I saw their u-14's play in the Down feile at St. colmans last Monday, they were very impressive. So many of them very comfortable on the ball, and mistakes were a rarity. Closest to them were Carryduff, but showed more tenacity and brawn than stylish football. Shamrocks struggled, they only had a couple of decent footballers, compared to their team last year.
Shamrocks must be a formidable team at u16 this year, saw they beat Rostrevor 8-24 to 0-1 during the week, considering Rostrevor beat Shamrocks in the u16 south down final last year and went on to beat Carryduff in the county final.
Interested in that comment about Burren bringing in lads from outside the parish, is that really going on and if so, how is it happening?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 14, 2012, 11:18:05 PM
Was also at the feile on monday and have to say the Burren team was very good . Thought the full forward was excellent and could take a score with ease . Its funny that the remark was passed that once Burren have a good side they throw all their resources at it . They had alot of big names along the line at the college and then when they got into the final the calls must of went out and alot more people arrived . To be fair i thought the Carryduff team was excellent and played some great football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on April 15, 2012, 10:38:18 AM
Quote from: NedFlanders on April 14, 2012, 09:47:14 AM
Was down an the An Riocht Banbridge game last night, decent game on poor field. An Riocht had to dig deep to come away with the points, Chris Killen hit 1-6 for us. Have to say though, Banbridge is a poor poor ground for football, has to be one the poorest in the county, spectators literally on the field with the players, making it near impossible for linesmen to give decisions, pathetic!!

Thoroughly agree ned. If you know anyone that will donate a few quid to us to make a new field just drop me a pm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 15, 2012, 11:10:03 AM
Very poor show from the Bridge, this could be a long season of rebuilding.  At least we can't get relegated!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on April 15, 2012, 08:14:15 PM
One of the most open games of football ive seen in a brave while, hardly any tackles or pressure when kickers went to take their scores. Cork never had to get outta 3rd gear, Kerrigan ran the show, no doubting it, the lad is a cracking football, but the down defence still needs some addressing. Dont understand how Daniel McCartan expects to mark a man when he's 5 bloody yards away, must be the family ties again!! Thought big McConvillie did very well, kept working hard especially for the goal and was unlucky to be taken off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Gael on April 15, 2012, 11:43:12 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on April 15, 2012, 08:14:15 PM
One of the most open games of football ive seen in a brave while, hardly any tackles or pressure when kickers went to take their scores. Cork never had to get outta 3rd gear, Kerrigan ran the show, no doubting it, the lad is a cracking football, but the down defence still needs some addressing. Dont understand how Daniel McCartan expects to mark a man when he's 5 bloody yards away, must be the family ties again!! Thought big McConvillie did very well, kept working hard especially for the goal and was unlucky to be taken off

Was he playing today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on April 16, 2012, 12:05:24 PM
Just see that Div 3 is going rightly this year. It is not even May and there is nearly a quarter of the games played. Lessons must have been learnt from last season. Still early in the season but even the table looks unfamiliar with a few teams struggling you wouldnt expect after last season .

I am going to make a few bold decisions for tonights games based on some unprecedented results to date: Wins for

Saul at home to Ballymartin by 4
Darragh Cross away to Tullylish by 1 (potential for a draw in this one. neither team hitting big scores)
St Johns by 7
Ardglass by 3 at home
Bosco away by 6

Now if only i had the odds.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turkey+ham on April 16, 2012, 02:43:46 PM
anyone got a league table for division 3?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 16, 2012, 02:49:01 PM
Lads we have an over 35s team. we played a few challenge matches last year against An Riocht and Bosco. It is just for a bit of fun for the lads that want another we turn out in their club colours. Generally we have a match and then a bite to eat in the hosting club and a bit of a drink/craic.

Would anyone here from another club be interested in getting an over 35s team together for a friendly match? Would be great to get a few more games going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on April 16, 2012, 02:58:57 PM
Turkey & Ham

All the up to date league tables are on the Down website.

Click on Fixtures & Results and then follow Down Competitions-Football-Results-Senior-All County league and then click on whichever league you want.




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on April 16, 2012, 03:08:38 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 16, 2012, 02:49:01 PM
Lads we have an over 35s team. we played a few challenge matches last year against An Riocht and Bosco. It is just for a bit of fun for the lads that want another we turn out in their club colours. Generally we have a match and then a bite to eat in the hosting club and a bit of a drink/craic.

Would anyone here from another club be interested in getting an over 35s team together for a friendly match? Would be great to get a few more games going.

We have one PAULD - i could pass your details on to the mangers if you have them handy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on April 16, 2012, 03:09:53 PM
Quote from: The Real Gael on April 15, 2012, 11:43:12 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on April 15, 2012, 08:14:15 PM
One of the most open games of football ive seen in a brave while, hardly any tackles or pressure when kickers went to take their scores. Cork never had to get outta 3rd gear, Kerrigan ran the show, no doubting it, the lad is a cracking football, but the down defence still needs some addressing. Dont understand how Daniel McCartan expects to mark a man when he's 5 bloody yards away, must be the family ties again!! Thought big McConvillie did very well, kept working hard especially for the goal and was unlucky to be taken off

Was he playing today?

Apparently :/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 16, 2012, 04:26:31 PM
Castlewellan v Mayobridge - tonight in Castlewellan at 7.  Poacher returns to one of his old hunting grounds as a coach.  How will this game fair out?? Bridge were poor on fri night and Castlewellan had a good result on their return to the top flight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on April 16, 2012, 05:32:56 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 16, 2012, 02:49:01 PM
Lads we have an over 35s team. we played a few challenge matches last year against An Riocht and Bosco. It is just for a bit of fun for the lads that want another we turn out in their club colours. Generally we have a match and then a bite to eat in the hosting club and a bit of a drink/craic.

Would anyone here from another club be interested in getting an over 35s team together for a friendly match? Would be great to get a few more games going.

Pauld123
We (Warrenpoint) have an over 35's team. We played carrickruppen las Saturday and are playing Bosco next month. We try to play once a month as it takes several weeks to get rid of the soreness! Maybe Sometime in June. Let me know what u think and I will let our "co-ordinator" know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 16, 2012, 05:55:13 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on April 16, 2012, 03:08:38 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 16, 2012, 02:49:01 PM
Lads we have an over 35s team. we played a few challenge matches last year against An Riocht and Bosco. It is just for a bit of fun for the lads that want another we turn out in their club colours. Generally we have a match and then a bite to eat in the hosting club and a bit of a drink/craic.

Would anyone here from another club be interested in getting an over 35s team together for a friendly match? Would be great to get a few more games going.

We have one PAULD - i could pass your details on to the mangers if you have them handy?

Ned I've sent you a PM.

Should have said my club - Warrenpoint. (bit embarrasing that one after Trueblue's post, seeing as we were obviously on the same pitch last Saturday)

So anyway if you are from An Riocht, Bosco or Carrickcruppen then we are obviously in touch already. But please if any other posters clubs are interested then please let me know as we are definitely interested in finding a few new teams to play against.

Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 16, 2012, 08:36:53 PM
Dundrum 0-16 St Michaels 0-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 16, 2012, 08:44:58 PM
Even though he appears to have put in the wrong result I must compliment the display of the referee Gavin Finnegan, one of the best displays I have seen from a man in black in a long time. He handled the game very well, always talking to the players letting them know exactly why a free was given as opposed to some of the so called better refs who talk to adult players like children.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 16, 2012, 08:47:02 PM
Bredagh 3-11 Teconnaught 0-4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 16, 2012, 08:48:35 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 16, 2012, 08:36:53 PM
Dundrum 0-16 St Michaels 0-8

Was McCumisky playing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 16, 2012, 08:53:16 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 16, 2012, 08:48:35 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 16, 2012, 08:36:53 PM
Dundrum 0-16 St Michaels 0-8

Was McCumisky playing?

Mc Comiskey was
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on April 16, 2012, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 16, 2012, 08:44:58 PM
Even though he appears to have put in the wrong result I must compliment the display of the referee Gavin Finnegan, one of the best displays I have seen from a man in black in a long time. He handled the game very well, always talking to the players letting them know exactly why a free was given as opposed to some of the so called better refs who talk to adult players like children.

Believe it or not i actually agree with you one this one referee. Pity the rest of the referees in the county aren't up to his standard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 16, 2012, 09:18:48 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on April 16, 2012, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 16, 2012, 08:44:58 PM
Even though he appears to have put in the wrong result I must compliment the display of the referee Gavin Finnegan, one of the best displays I have seen from a man in black in a long time. He handled the game very well, always talking to the players letting them know exactly why a free was given as opposed to some of the so called better refs who talk to adult players like children.

Believe it or not i actually agree with you one this one referee. Pity the rest of the referees in the county aren't up to his standard.

Gavin Finnegan was absolutely brilliant tonight. A common sense referee who actually informs players why he has given a free against them. He also smartly allowed advantage when it was needed. No showman antics, no ball licking the players and no ego. Exactly the type of referee we need coming into our games in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 16, 2012, 09:31:51 PM
well he is one of only a few.  I heard a certain referee walked off the pitch last week when  a team was few minutes late turning up for the game as they got lost.  The referee just jumped in his car and left.  No need for that when its underage.  Should get no games for a month for his "im in control" attitude.
On another note - Bridge had big result tonight.  That should straighten them out after last fridays effort.  Better team play in terrible conditions left them with the points at the end of the game.  Bridge looked more balanced tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: andunabu on April 16, 2012, 09:57:02 PM
ACL Division 3: Drumgath 2 - 9 Bosco 2 - 13>
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Marshes on April 17, 2012, 10:01:02 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 16, 2012, 09:18:48 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on April 16, 2012, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 16, 2012, 08:44:58 PM
Even though he appears to have put in the wrong result I must compliment the display of the referee Gavin Finnegan, one of the best displays I have seen from a man in black in a long time. He handled the game very well, always talking to the players letting them know exactly why a free was given as opposed to some of the so called better refs who talk to adult players like children.

Believe it or not i actually agree with you one this one referee. Pity the rest of the referees in the county aren't up to his standard.



Gavin Finnegan was absolutely brilliant tonight. A common sense referee who actually informs players why he has given a free against them. He also smartly allowed advantage when it was needed. No showman antics, no ball licking the players and no ego. Exactly the type of referee we need coming into our games in Down.




Good to see positive comments about referees; however, what was the ref doing to tell the players why the free was given? Was it hand signals or talking to them? Is this the guy from An Riocht?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on April 17, 2012, 07:36:33 PM
Quote from: alba2 on April 16, 2012, 09:31:51 PM
well he is one of only a few.  I heard a certain referee walked off the pitch last week when  a team was few minutes late turning up for the game as they got lost.  The referee just jumped in his car and left.  No need for that when its underage.  Should get no games for a month for his "im in control" attitude.
On another note - Bridge had big result tonight.  That should straighten them out after last fridays effort.  Better team play in terrible conditions left them with the points at the end of the game.  Bridge looked more balanced tonight.
the whole team did not get lost there was 10 players on the pitch and two car loads were lost the two car loads pulled into the pitch and the referee still left i also heard the same referee called a game off on a differant occasion because the grass was too long on a pitch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on April 17, 2012, 10:08:59 PM
Name the ref and stop beating around the bush
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 17, 2012, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: The Marshes on April 17, 2012, 10:01:02 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 16, 2012, 09:18:48 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on April 16, 2012, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 16, 2012, 08:44:58 PM
Even though he appears to have put in the wrong result I must compliment the display of the referee Gavin Finnegan, one of the best displays I have seen from a man in black in a long time. He handled the game very well, always talking to the players letting them know exactly why a free was given as opposed to some of the so called better refs who talk to adult players like children.

Believe it or not i actually agree with you one this one referee. Pity the rest of the referees in the county aren't up to his standard.



Gavin Finnegan was absolutely brilliant tonight. A common sense referee who actually informs players why he has given a free against them. He also smartly allowed advantage when it was needed. No showman antics, no ball licking the players and no ego. Exactly the type of referee we need coming into our games in Down.




Good to see positive comments about referees; however, what was the ref doing to tell the players why the free was given? Was it hand signals or talking to them? Is this the guy from An Riocht?

Does it really make that big of difference?? He did both. Yes An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 18, 2012, 08:09:32 AM
Pauld123 check your PMs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Marshes on April 18, 2012, 08:43:20 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 17, 2012, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: The Marshes on April 17, 2012, 10:01:02 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 16, 2012, 09:18:48 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on April 16, 2012, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 16, 2012, 08:44:58 PM
Even though he appears to have put in the wrong result I must compliment the display of the referee Gavin Finnegan, one of the best displays I have seen from a man in black in a long time. He handled the game very well, always talking to the players letting them know exactly why a free was given as opposed to some of the so called better refs who talk to adult players like children.

Believe it or not i actually agree with you one this one referee. Pity the rest of the referees in the county aren't up to his standard.



Gavin Finnegan was absolutely brilliant tonight. A common sense referee who actually informs players why he has given a free against them. He also smartly allowed advantage when it was needed. No showman antics, no ball licking the players and no ego. Exactly the type of referee we need coming into our games in Down.




Good to see positive comments about referees; however, what was the ref doing to tell the players why the free was given? Was it hand signals or talking to them? Is this the guy from An Riocht?

Does it really make that big of difference?? He did both. Yes An Riocht.

It does.

Finnegan is an OK referee but he is a bit of a showboat from the occasions I have seen him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 18, 2012, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: The Marshes on April 18, 2012, 08:43:20 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 17, 2012, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: The Marshes on April 17, 2012, 10:01:02 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 16, 2012, 09:18:48 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on April 16, 2012, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 16, 2012, 08:44:58 PM
Even though he appears to have put in the wrong result I must compliment the display of the referee Gavin Finnegan, one of the best displays I have seen from a man in black in a long time. He handled the game very well, always talking to the players letting them know exactly why a free was given as opposed to some of the so called better refs who talk to adult players like children.

Believe it or not i actually agree with you one this one referee. Pity the rest of the referees in the county aren't up to his standard.



Gavin Finnegan was absolutely brilliant tonight. A common sense referee who actually informs players why he has given a free against them. He also smartly allowed advantage when it was needed. No showman antics, no ball licking the players and no ego. Exactly the type of referee we need coming into our games in Down.




Good to see positive comments about referees; however, what was the ref doing to tell the players why the free was given? Was it hand signals or talking to them? Is this the guy from An Riocht?

Does it really make that big of difference?? He did both. Yes An Riocht.

It does.
Finnegan is an OK referee but he is a bit of a showboat from the occasions I have seen him

Insightful answer.

Then we may have to agree to disagree based on our experiences. Didn't want a saga, just to make a point of praising a ref because they usually are (rightly or wrongly) lamblasted on this. Nothing to see here, move her on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 18, 2012, 04:58:01 PM
Lurker here for a while!  Decided to bite the bullet.

I have seen Finnegan yet but it wouldn't be hard to be much better than the bunch of tubes who already destroy referee our games.

Burren v Clonduff tonight, can't see much other than a win for the Burren men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Marshes on April 18, 2012, 05:43:32 PM
Welcome Line Ball

Staying on the subject of refs did anyone hear of the U16 game recently in Warrenpoint (v Downpatrick)?

It was abandoned after a parent of one of the Downpatrick lads assaulted the ref at half time. I hear the man got a 96 week ban.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 18, 2012, 06:43:03 PM
The championship draw is on tomorrow night. Hard to see past Kilcoo or Burren. It's being done live again on destination newry at 8.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 18, 2012, 08:35:25 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 18, 2012, 06:43:03 PM
The championship draw is on tomorrow night. Hard to see past Kilcoo or Burren. It's being done live again on destination newry at 8.
with all the teams in this time? :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 18, 2012, 08:48:02 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 18, 2012, 06:43:03 PM
The championship draw is on tomorrow night. Hard to see past Kilcoo or Burren. It's being done live again on destination newry at 8.

Not if u seen burren tonight....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 18, 2012, 09:10:59 PM
Burren 0-9 V 1-13 Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 19, 2012, 04:31:16 AM
Some result that for Hilltown!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 19, 2012, 08:19:22 AM
Not really that much of a shock to be honest.  Burren wallking about with their heads in the clouds after they beat the bridge thinking thier season is complete.  Its hard to beat a bit of hard work and in your face tactics against the so called bigger teams to bring them down a peg or two.  Fair play to Clonduff - two wins from two games with a limited panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Gael on April 19, 2012, 09:32:43 AM
Quote from: alba2 on April 19, 2012, 08:19:22 AM
Not really that much of a shock to be honest.  Burren wallking about with their heads in the clouds after they beat the bridge thinking thier season is complete.  Its hard to beat a bit of hard work and in your face tactics against the so called bigger teams to bring them down a peg or two.  Fair play to Clonduff - two wins from two games with a limited panel.

dont make me laugh - Clonduff with a limited panel  ::) any club that can field 3 senior football teams and hurling doesnt have a limited panel. Will be interesting to see if Tony Wilson can cut it at the highest level, he was quite successful with Banbridge but this is a bigger test
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EDChief on April 19, 2012, 10:11:32 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on April 19, 2012, 04:31:16 AM
Some result that for Hilltown!


Speaking of results, that was some result for the Finn on Monday night.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 19, 2012, 11:16:26 AM
Quote from: The Real Gael on April 19, 2012, 09:32:43 AM

dont make me laugh - Clonduff with a limited panel  ::) any club that can field 3 senior football teams and hurling doesnt have a limited panel. Will be interesting to see if Tony Wilson can cut it at the highest level, he was quite successful with Banbridge but this is a bigger test

Limited interms of quality not quantity.  And i bet if you check all these panels of players they are fielding - there is a serious crossover of players between both codes and on their seniors/seconds and seconds/thirds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on April 19, 2012, 11:58:37 AM
With the Championship draw this evening, could the nature of competitiveness in Division 1  have a bearing on the Senior Championship, could there be a surprise winner this year perhaps? Although unlikely, it does cross the mind. Any other thoughts on the matter?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 19, 2012, 12:31:28 PM
Ned, the SFC winner will be either Burren or Kilcoo. If Bryansford stay away from both until the final, they've a chance on the day. The rest of us are making up the numbers. League positions, revamping leagues, revamping championships, f**king with the system, whatever you call it, won't change this fact.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on April 19, 2012, 12:42:03 PM
Thats not a fore gone conclusion the Wobbler, far from it. With sketchy form, anything can happen!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 19, 2012, 01:46:16 PM
Don't think it's quite as clear cut as that to be honest. Obviously the burren an kilcoo are the most likely, but injuries, suspensions, lack of form, mistakes, poor day out can all come into play in every game especially championship encounters. Just because burren walked it last year doesn't mean they will this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on April 19, 2012, 02:07:45 PM
My thoughts excatly SuperSub

Also, is there any Kilclief fellas on here that could possibly give me a team for tomorrow nights programme, tied your club but no answer or reply to emails, and nothing on the website either.? Any help greatly appreciated
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA_Talk on April 19, 2012, 02:47:19 PM
Quote from: EDChief on April 19, 2012, 10:11:32 AM
Quote from: Naomh Pol CLG on April 19, 2012, 04:31:16 AM
Some result that for Hilltown!


Speaking of results, that was some result for the Finn on Monday night.

Finn won handy enough on Monday night according to the papers. Can't remember the score.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 19, 2012, 03:43:48 PM
Not really.. We fielded 10 current minor players all of whom played senior on Friday night and beat An Rioct on Sunday and only 3 current senior level players. The minors where understandably knackared. A stag do, work commitments and a lack of commitment meant we scraped a team. Some folks need to take a long hard look at themselves!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 19, 2012, 04:30:24 PM
There is a new format for the JFC this year. There will be three groups of four teams. Each team gets three group games. Teams will not be seeded for the group stages. Each group winner plus the best runner up (decided by McKenna Cup rulings) will make the Semi Finals.

Teams in 2012 JFC include:

Drumaness
Mitchels
Teconnaught
Aughlisnafin
St Michaels
St Pauls
Dundrum
Bright
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar
Dromara
Aghaderg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 19, 2012, 06:04:29 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2012, 12:31:28 PM
Ned, the SFC winner will be either Burren or Kilcoo. If Bryansford stay away from both until the final, they've a chance on the day. The rest of us are making up the numbers. League positions, revamping leagues, revamping championships, f**king with the system, whatever you call it, won't change this fact.

Can't see much beyond Burren or Kilcoo, some craic if they were pulled out together.  They'll probbaly do the old 'hot balls' 'cold balls' trick to avoid this   ::)

As for Bryansford, I can't see them making any headway this year.  They're an average side who had their chances to take Kilcoo over the last few years but just couldn't do it. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 19, 2012, 06:08:28 PM
Watch out DF Killyleagh are back!!  Do you know why they aren't taking part in Division 4?

QuoteAlso, is there any Kilclief fellas on here that could possibly give me a team for tomorrow nights programme, tied your club but no answer or reply to emails, and nothing on the website either.? Any help greatly appreciated

Ned, website is banjaxed at the minute and I couldn't tell ya who the PRO is.  There is no chance you'll get even a squad list from the club for tomorrow night.  A very small squad has lost three of it's best players in the last week to pretty serious injuries.  I would say the phone calls are being made at the minute to recently retired players and the team won't be known until about half 6 tomorrow night.

If you want I can PM you a guess at a squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 19, 2012, 06:25:44 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 19, 2012, 06:08:28 PM
Watch out DF Killyleagh are back!!  Do you know why they aren't taking part in Division 4?

QuoteAlso, is there any Kilclief fellas on here that could possibly give me a team for tomorrow nights programme, tied your club but no answer or reply to emails, and nothing on the website either.? Any help greatly appreciated

Ned, website is banjaxed at the minute and I couldn't tell ya who the PRO is.  There is no chance you'll get even a squad list from the club for tomorrow night.  A very small squad has lost three of it's best players in the last week to pretty serious injuries.  I would say the phone calls are being made at the minute to recently retired players and the team won't be known until about half 6 tomorrow night.

If you want I can PM you a guess at a squad?

Think they are looking to get a year of challenge games and a bit of Championship football under their belt before they enter the ACFL structure next year. They aren't really positioned in a GAA hotbed but fair play to them they are trying to kickstart a revival.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on April 19, 2012, 06:37:44 PM
Good to see the Wolfe Tones back... Manys a ding dong battle was had down there!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 19, 2012, 08:03:31 PM
has it started on destination Newry yet? cant seem to get it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 19, 2012, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 19, 2012, 08:03:31 PM
has it started on destination Newry yet? cant seem to get it

Not working for me either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 19, 2012, 08:09:34 PM
Where is it on Destination Newry?  Any direct links?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 19, 2012, 08:10:43 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 19, 2012, 08:09:34 PM
Where is it on Destination Newry?  Any direct links?

not that work!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 19, 2012, 08:10:54 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 19, 2012, 08:09:34 PM
Where is it on Destination Newry?  Any direct links?

http://www.destinationnewry.com/news/Down_club_live
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 19, 2012, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 19, 2012, 08:10:54 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 19, 2012, 08:09:34 PM
Where is it on Destination Newry?  Any direct links?

http://www.destinationnewry.com/news/Down_club_live

Excellent.  Now do we just watch that image?   ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on April 19, 2012, 08:15:49 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 19, 2012, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 19, 2012, 08:10:54 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 19, 2012, 08:09:34 PM
Where is it on Destination Newry?  Any direct links?

http://www.destinationnewry.com/news/Down_club_live

Excellent.  Now do we just watch that image?   ::)

Try http://www.ustream.tv/channel/down-gaa 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 19, 2012, 08:27:34 PM
Quote from: cloneman on April 19, 2012, 08:15:49 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 19, 2012, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 19, 2012, 08:10:54 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 19, 2012, 08:09:34 PM
Where is it on Destination Newry?  Any direct links?

http://www.destinationnewry.com/news/Down_club_live

Excellent.  Now do we just watch that image?   ::)

Try http://www.ustream.tv/channel/down-gaa


Sorted, thanks very much.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 19, 2012, 08:46:26 PM
IFC

BALLYMARTIN V ARDGLASS
D CROSS V ST JOHNS
TULLYLISH V SAUL
DRUMGATH V ATTICALL
WARRENPOINT V GLENN
BREDAGH V CARRYDUFF
ANNACLONE V GLASDRUMMAN
CLAN NA BANNA V BOSCO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 19, 2012, 08:53:14 PM
SHC

PORTAFERRY V BALLYGALGET
KILCLIEF V BALLYCRAN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 19, 2012, 08:56:41 PM
Down Senior Football Championship Draw 2012
Saval v Laitroim
Downpatrick v Braynsford
Castlwellan v Loughinisland
Rostrevor v Clonduff
Longstone v Ballyholland
Burren v Kilcief
Mayobridge v Shamrocks
Kilcoo v An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 19, 2012, 08:57:30 PM
quick off the marks amallon  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 19, 2012, 08:59:01 PM
Quote from: general on April 19, 2012, 08:46:26 PM
IFC

BALLYMARTIN V ARDGLASS
D CROSS V ST JOHNS
TULLYLISH V SAUL
DRUMGATH V ATTICALL
WARRENPOINT V GLENN
BREDAGH V CARRYDUFF
ANNACLONE V GLASDRUMMAN
CLAN NA BANNA V BOSCO

interesting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 19, 2012, 09:05:36 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 19, 2012, 08:56:41 PM
Down Senior Football Championship Draw 2012
Saval v Laitroim
Downpatrick v Braynsford
Castlwellan v Loughinisland
Rostrevor v Clonduff
Longstone v Ballyholland
Burren v Kilcief
Mayobridge v Shamrocks
Kilcoo v An Riocht

A lot of very even ties but my predictions are:

Saval v Laitroim
Downpatrick v Bryansford
Castlwellan v Loughinisland
Rostrevor v Clonduff
Longstone v Ballyholland
Burren v Kilcief
Mayobridge v Shamrocks
Kilcoo v An Riocht

Some draw for Kilclief.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 19, 2012, 09:09:06 PM
Ah f**k that!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 19, 2012, 09:12:05 PM
Down JFC Draw

Group A - St Michaels, Teconnaught, Drumaness, Dromara

Group B - Ballykinlar, St Pauls, Dundrum, Bright

Group C - Aughlisnafin, Killyleagh, Aghaderg, Mitchels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 19, 2012, 09:17:24 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 19, 2012, 09:09:06 PM
Ah f**k that!

If you had ducks they'd drown No 1 :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on April 19, 2012, 09:25:56 PM
Tasty draw. Tie of the round Hiltown v Rostrevor. Kilcoo v An Riocht :/ Re-Draw anyone?:( Kileif by a point ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 19, 2012, 09:29:28 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on April 19, 2012, 09:25:56 PM
Tasty draw. Tie of the round Hiltown v Rostrevor. Kilcoo v An Riocht :/ Re-Draw anyone?:( Kileif by a point ;)

Will be interesting alright!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 19, 2012, 09:30:39 PM
Hope the spelling in the programme tomorrow night is a bit better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 19, 2012, 09:30:57 PM
ties of the round for me; rostrevor v clonduff and longstone v ballyholland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 19, 2012, 09:36:59 PM
was there ever a master fixture list out with dates for the first rounds?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 19, 2012, 09:37:14 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 19, 2012, 09:09:06 PM
Ah f**k that!
Nicely put. Your two main men in attack out NO 1?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 19, 2012, 09:44:41 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 19, 2012, 09:12:05 PM
Down JFC Draw

Group A - St Michaels, Teconnaught, Drumaness, Dromara

Group B - Ballykinlar, St Pauls, Dundrum, Bright

Group C - Aughlisnafin, Killyleagh, Aghaderg, Mitchels

One would have to fancy Dundrum or Drumaness being crowned junior champions this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 19, 2012, 09:49:12 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 19, 2012, 09:44:41 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 19, 2012, 09:12:05 PM
Down JFC Draw

Group A - St Michaels, Teconnaught, Drumaness, Dromara

Group B - Ballykinlar, St Pauls, Dundrum, Bright

Group C - Aughlisnafin, Killyleagh, Aghaderg, Mitchels

One would have to fancy Dundrum or Drumaness being crowned junior champions this year.

Drumaness are big favourites for the JFC this year. They are the only Division 3 team in the competition. They won a stronger JFC a few years ago with the same team that they have this year. Mitchels will be worth watching too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 19, 2012, 09:53:52 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on April 19, 2012, 09:37:14 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 19, 2012, 09:09:06 PM
Ah f**k that!
Nicely put. Your two main men in attack out NO 1?

Yeah, and our centre half back.  Looking at a month or so for each of them, hopefully they will be back in time to put some manners on the county champions!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 19, 2012, 09:57:38 PM
any dates set for the champ yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 19, 2012, 10:16:10 PM
1st Rd Senior C'Ship Friday Jun 8- Monday Jun 11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 19, 2012, 10:55:24 PM
same for intermediate?? may b bad news for those of us going to poland :S
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 19, 2012, 11:14:07 PM
Quote from: general on April 19, 2012, 10:55:24 PM
same for intermediate?? may b bad news for those of us going to poland :S

I think were looking at 10 to 13 Aug for first round of IFC, but dont hold me to that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on April 19, 2012, 11:20:48 PM
According to the stats im the 20,000 post on this thread!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 19, 2012, 11:59:26 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on April 19, 2012, 11:20:48 PM
According to the stats im the 20,000 post on this thread!!!!!!!!

Congrats
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 20, 2012, 07:43:47 AM
MORGAN MILK DOWN SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2012
Roinn 1
1. Sabhaill (Saval) V Liatroim (Liatroim)
2. Dun Padraig (Downpatrick) V Ath Bhriain (Bryansford)
3. Caislean an Mhuillin (Castlewellan) V Loch an Oileain (Loughinisland)
4. Caislean Ruairi (Rostrevor) V Cluain Daimh (Clonduff)
5. Cloch Fhada (Longstone) V Baile Cholmain (Ballyholland)
6. Boireann (Burren) V Cill Cleithe (Kilclief)
7. Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge) V Seamrogai an Iuir (Shamrocks)
8. Cill Chua (Kilcoo) V An Riocht (An Riocht)



AROUND A POUND DOWN INTERMEDIATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2012

Roinn 1         
1. Baile Ui Mhairtin (Ballymartin) V Ard Ghlais (Ardglass)
2. Cros Darach (Darragh Cross) V Naomh Eoin (St Johns)
3. Tulach Lis (Tullylish) V Naomh Padraig (Saul)
4. Droim Gath (Drumgath) V Ait ti Chathaill (Atticall)
5. Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint) V Gleann (Glenn)
6. Breadach (Bredagh) V Ceathru Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff)
7. Eanach Cluana (Annaclone) V Glasdromainn (Glasdrumman)
8. Clann na Banna (Clann na Banna)   V Naomh Eoin Bosco (St John Bosco)


AROUND A POUND DOWN JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2012

Group A
Naomh Michil (St Michaels)
Ti Chonnachta (Teconnaught)
Droim an Easa (Drumaness)
Droim Bearach (Dromara)

Group B
Baile Choinnleora (Ballykinlar)
Naomh Pol (St Pauls)
Dun Droma (Dundrum)
Breachtain (Bright)

Group C
Achadh Lios na Finne (Aug h l isn afi n)
Cill Ui Laoich (Killyleagh)
Achadh Dearg (Ag haderg)
Misteiligh an Iuir (Mitchels)


PREMIER RESERVE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

Round 1         
(A) Eanach Cluana (Annaclone) V Baile Cholmain (Ballyholland)
(B) Liatroim (Liatroim)   V Cill Chua (Kilcoo)
(C) An Riocht (An Riocht) V Boireann (Burren)

Round 2         
(1) Winners C V Caislean an Mhuillin (Castlewellan)
(2) Dun Padraig (Downpatrick) V Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge)
(3) Loch an Oileain (Loughinisland) V Caislean Ruairi (Rostrevor)
(4) Clann na Banna (Clann na Banna) V Tulach Lis (Tullylish)
(5) Cluain Daimh (Clonduff) V Ceathtu Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff)
(6) Winner A V Breadach (Bredagh)
(7) Cumann Pheadair (Warrenpoint) V Sabhaill (Saval)
(8) Ath Bhriain (Bryansford) V Winners B



DOWN RESERVE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

(PR) Ait ti Chathaill (Atticall) v Seamrogai an Iuir (Shamrocks)

Round 1         
(A) Baile Ui Mhairtin (Ballymartin) v Dun Droma (Dundrum)
(B) Ceathru Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff) v Liatroim (Liatroim)
(C) Cill Chua (Kilcoo) v Droim an Easa (Drumaness)
(D) Misteiligh an Iuir (Mitchels) v Boireann (Burren)
(E) Glasdromainn (Glasdrumman) V Winners P.Round
(F) Droichead Mhaigh Eo (Mayobridge) V Cluain Daimh (Clonduff)
(G) Sabhaill (Saval) V Cros Darach (Darragh Cross)
(H) Cloch Fhada (Longstone) v Ath Bhriain (Bryansford)

Round 2         
(1) Caislean Ruairi (Rostrevor) V Droim Gath (Drumgath)
(2) Winners D V Naomh Eoin (St Johns)
(3) Winners E V Ard Ghlais (Ardglass)
(4) Winners B V Naomh Pol (St Pauls)
(5) Naomh Eoin Bosco (St John Bosco) V Winners F
(6) Breachtain (Bright)   V Winners C
(7) Winners G V Winners H
(8) Ti Chonnachta (Teconnaught)   v Winners A



MORGAN DAIRIES SENIOR HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP
Roinn 1
(1)   Port An Phéire (Portaferry) V Baile Mhic Uileagoid (Ballygalget)
(2)   Cill Cleithe (Kilclief) V Baile Crann (Ballycran)


DOWN JUNIOR HURLING CHAMPIONSHIP 2012

Roinn 1                  
A. Cluain Daimh (Clonduff) V Caislean an Mhuillin (Castlewellan)

Roinn 2                  
1. Winners A V Liatroim (Liatroim)
2. Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint) V Baile AilEach (Ballela)
3. Breadach (Bredagh) V Baile Mheirligh (Ballyvarley)
4. Ceathru Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff) V Seamrogai an Iuir (Shamrocks)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 20, 2012, 08:52:36 AM
A tough one for Michey Linden!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on April 20, 2012, 09:08:44 AM
Quote from: No1 on April 19, 2012, 06:08:28 PM
Watch out DF Killyleagh are back!!  Do you know why they aren't taking part in Division 4?



Its good to see that you are in the fortunate position to joke about a small club in an area where theres not much GAA support trying to start again from nothing and field a team. Also it wasnt that long ago Killyleagh were beating Kilclief.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on April 20, 2012, 02:49:31 PM
AROUND A POUND DOWN INTERMEDIATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2012

Roinn 1         
1. Baile Ui Mhairtin (Ballymartin) V Ard Ghlais (Ardglass)
2. Cros Darach (Darragh Cross) V Naomh Eoin (St Johns)
3. Tulach Lis (Tullylish) V Naomh Padraig (Saul)
4. Droim Gath (Drumgath) V Ait ti Chathaill (Atticall)
5. Rinn Mhic Giolla Rua (Warrenpoint) V Gleann (Glenn)
6. Breadach (Bredagh) V Ceathru Aodha Dhuibh (Carryduff)
7. Eanach Cluana (Annaclone) V Glasdromainn (Glasdrumman)
8. Clann na Banna (Clann na Banna)   V Naomh Eoin Bosco (St John Bosco)

Some interesting match ups in the Intermediate Championship. Warrenpoint must fancy their chances along with Annaclone to win the whole thing. Their could be a few upsets though. Tullylish the 2010 champions could be an outside bet, while Clann na Banna might also have a shout at it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on April 20, 2012, 04:34:25 PM
Isn't Killleagh where David Healy is from?  He could maybe do a job in the junior championship!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on April 20, 2012, 05:14:53 PM
Quote from: amallon on April 20, 2012, 04:34:25 PM
Isn't Killleagh where David Healy is from?  He could maybe do a job in the junior championship!
It would be a better stantard than hes playing at the moment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on April 20, 2012, 08:38:28 PM
An Riocht 0-13
Kilclief 1-07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 20, 2012, 08:46:24 PM
b'ford 2-14  saval 1-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 20, 2012, 08:51:09 PM
ACFL Div 1
Kilcoo 0-13 v Ballyholland 0-5.

Brutal game spoilt by blanket defences. The negative tactics being employed by club managers are ruining football in the top flight. 2 games played and 2 bore fests with regards kilcoos games.

Other results:
Bryansford 2-15 Saval 1-11
Longstone beat RGU easily in Downpatrick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 20, 2012, 08:54:50 PM
A 14 man Bredagh beat Bright 4-12 to 1-4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 20, 2012, 09:01:29 PM
Down Division 4
Aughlisnafin 0-05   Dundrum 1-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on April 20, 2012, 09:05:15 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 20, 2012, 08:51:09 PM
ACFL Div 1
Kilcoo 0-13 v Ballyholland 0-5.

Brutal game spoilt by blanket defences. The negative tactics being employed by club managers are ruining football in the top flight. 2 games played and 2 bore fests with regards kilcoos games.

Other results:
Bryansford 2-15 Saval 1-11
Longstone beat RGU easily in Downpatrick.

It's also happening at division 4 MDG. I remember a club mate of yours telling me if the top team in the division were to wear jerseys with pink bows on them the rest of the teams would follow suit. Thanks very much Donegal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 20, 2012, 09:27:27 PM
Glenn beat attical by 5!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 20, 2012, 09:57:36 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on April 20, 2012, 09:08:44 AM
Quote from: No1 on April 19, 2012, 06:08:28 PM
Watch out DF Killyleagh are back!!  Do you know why they aren't taking part in Division 4?



Its good to see that you are in the fortunate position to joke about a small club in an area where theres not much GAA support trying to start again from nothing and field a team. Also it wasnt that long ago Killyleagh were beating Kilclief.

Who the f**k was making a joke about them? I played against them and was beaten on more than a few occasions. Wolfe Tone Park on a wet and windy Sunday afternoon is where many of us learned the meaning of the word character. I have every respect for them so wind yer neck in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 20, 2012, 10:00:45 PM
O Neills ACFL Div 1

Downpatrick 1-7 V 3-16 Longstone

Bryansford 2-14 V 1-11 Saval

Kilcoo 0-13 V 0-5 Ballyholland


O Neills ACFL Div 2

Warrenpoint 0-5 V 0-8 Rostrevor

Shamrocks 1-7 V 3-10 Annaclone

Clann na Banna 0-5 V 2-8 Loughinisland

An Ríocht 0-13 V 1-7 Kilclief


O Neills ACFL Div 3

Glasdrumman 2-10 V 1-12 Tullylish

Ballymartin 2-13 V 1-9 Drumgath

Drumaness 0-6 V 1-12 Saul

Darragh Cross 1-4 V 0-8 St John's

St John Bosco 5-15 V 2-4 Ardglass


O Neills ACFL Div 4

Teconnaught 5-8 V 1-2 Ballykinlar

St Michael's 3-9 V 1-16 Mitchels

Bright 1-4 V 4-11 Bredagh

Aughlisnafin 0-5 V 1-13 Dundrum

St Paul's 1-1 V 2-11 Aghaderg

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 21, 2012, 12:05:36 AM
Many games called off tonight? Weather terrible during our game which made it a poor spectacle. A win is a win especially againstyour neighbours!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 21, 2012, 05:13:56 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 21, 2012, 12:05:36 AM
Many games called off tonight? Weather terrible during our game which made it a poor spectacle. A win is a win especially againstyour neighbours!

Carryduffs game was called of due to the pitch being unplayable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on April 21, 2012, 06:49:07 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 21, 2012, 05:13:56 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 21, 2012, 12:05:36 AM
Many games called off tonight? Weather terrible during our game which made it a poor spectacle. A win is a win especially againstyour neighbours!

Carryduffs game was called of due to the pitch being unplayable
Unplayable??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 21, 2012, 08:40:27 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on April 21, 2012, 06:49:07 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 21, 2012, 05:13:56 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 21, 2012, 12:05:36 AM
Many games called off tonight? Weather terrible during our game which made it a poor spectacle. A win is a win especially againstyour neighbours!

Carryduffs game was called of due to the pitch being unplayable
Unplayable??

yip, I believe so but no idea why it was unplayable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 22, 2012, 12:15:07 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 21, 2012, 08:40:27 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on April 21, 2012, 06:49:07 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 21, 2012, 05:13:56 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 21, 2012, 12:05:36 AM
Many games called off tonight? Weather terrible during our game which made it a poor spectacle. A win is a win especially againstyour neighbours!

Carryduffs game was called of due to the pitch being unplayable
Unplayable??

yip, I believe so but no idea why it was unplayable

So much information on this post _ glad I joined in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 22, 2012, 08:37:20 AM
I see the ordinary club player being hammered by the County Board again, below.  Games can now only be changed if there is no clash with county minor/senior training in both hurling and football, oh and of course only if it suits the county board:


A chara,
As we enter the preparation for the Ulster and All Ireland series can I alert all clubs to two very important matters.

1.    Clubs seeking for genuine reasons to change the date of a club senior or minor league fixture are asked to in the first instance contact Paul Blaney assistantsecretary.down@gaa.ie to ensure that the change of date does not clash with county senior or minor football or hurling training.  Permission for changes will only be granted where no clash takes place.

2.   We have received the following email from Croke Park in relation to Friday 11th May.  As you will see this is an event taking place across the 32 counties on this night and as such we will not be able to have any All County football league games on the 11th May.  Details of the event involving the county panel will be released nearer to the time and we look forward to a large turnout of supporters.


Save the Date

As was mentioned at Congress, Central and Provincial Councils are
launching a major marketing effort to promote this year's Provincial
and All Ireland championships. One of the promotional events that has
been agreed is that every county will hold an OPEN NIGHT on FRIDAY 11
MAY from 7 pm to 8.30 pm  for supporters of teams competing for the
Sam Maguire and Liam McCarthy Cups. This event is being organised to
provide access to our county players for children, supporters and
local media in an effort to raise the profile of the 2012
championships

This event will only succeed if it happens in every county on the same
night and at the same time. There can be no deviation from this
date/time.  We are relying on every county to co-operate in what will
be a strong statement of our intention to vigorously promote the 2012 Championships

Liam Ó Néill, Uachtarán
Páraic Ó Dufaigh, Ard-Stiúrthóir



Is mise

Seán Óg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 22, 2012, 12:02:51 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 22, 2012, 12:15:07 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 21, 2012, 08:40:27 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on April 21, 2012, 06:49:07 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 21, 2012, 05:13:56 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 21, 2012, 12:05:36 AM
Many games called off tonight? Weather terrible during our game which made it a poor spectacle. A win is a win especially againstyour neighbours!

Carryduffs game was called of due to the pitch being unplayable
Unplayable??

yip, I believe so but no idea why it was unplayable

So much information on this post _ glad I joined in.
Glad I did as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on April 22, 2012, 12:09:35 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 22, 2012, 12:02:51 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 22, 2012, 12:15:07 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 21, 2012, 08:40:27 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on April 21, 2012, 06:49:07 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 21, 2012, 05:13:56 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 21, 2012, 12:05:36 AM
Many games called off tonight? Weather terrible during our game which made it a poor spectacle. A win is a win especially againstyour neighbours!

Carryduffs game was called of due to the pitch being unplayable
Unplayable??

yip, I believe so but no idea why it was unplayable

So much information on this post _ glad I joined in.
Glad I did as well

There was too much water sitting on the surface of the pitch soo referee decided the game was unplayable, he was worried about the health and safety off both sets of players!

On another note the carryduff under 14 hurlers won the A feile beating portaferry by 5 points in the final! this is the same group of boys who where beaten by burren in the football feile a few weeks back. Well done too all concerned!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 22, 2012, 12:41:05 PM
On another note the carryduff under 14 hurlers won the A feile beating portaferry by 5 points in the final! this is the same group of boys who where beaten by burren in the football feile a few weeks back. Well done too all concerned!
fair play to them and well done, so thats the u 14 feile and the minor championship out side the Ards., and the second time in 3 years the 14 feile title has been outside the Ards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Gael on April 22, 2012, 04:32:56 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 22, 2012, 08:37:20 AM
I see the ordinary club player being hammered by the County Board again, below.  Games can now only be changed if there is no clash with county minor/senior training in both hurling and football, oh and of course only if it suits the county board:


A chara,
As we enter the preparation for the Ulster and All Ireland series can I alert all clubs to two very important matters.

1.    Clubs seeking for genuine reasons to change the date of a club senior or minor league fixture are asked to in the first instance contact Paul Blaney assistantsecretary.down@gaa.ie to ensure that the change of date does not clash with county senior or minor football or hurling training.  Permission for changes will only be granted where no clash takes place.

2.   We have received the following email from Croke Park in relation to Friday 11th May.  As you will see this is an event taking place across the 32 counties on this night and as such we will not be able to have any All County football league games on the 11th May.  Details of the event involving the county panel will be released nearer to the time and we look forward to a large turnout of supporters.


Save the Date

As was mentioned at Congress, Central and Provincial Councils are
launching a major marketing effort to promote this year's Provincial
and All Ireland championships. One of the promotional events that has
been agreed is that every county will hold an OPEN NIGHT on FRIDAY 11
MAY from 7 pm to 8.30 pm  for supporters of teams competing for the
Sam Maguire and Liam McCarthy Cups. This event is being organised to
provide access to our county players for children, supporters and
local media in an effort to raise the profile of the 2012
championships

This event will only succeed if it happens in every county on the same
night and at the same time. There can be no deviation from this
date/time.  We are relying on every county to co-operate in what will
be a strong statement of our intention to vigorously promote the 2012 Championships

Liam Ó Néill, Uachtarán
Páraic Ó Dufaigh, Ard-Stiúrthóir



Is mise

Seán Óg

;D  4% of players in this county play county football/hurling, why would we deny the other 96% football or hurling for this nonsense. Baffling  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on April 23, 2012, 11:10:42 PM
Div 1 & 2 leagues are at an early stage but 3&4 are a bit more advanced with 6games having been played.  Any reports of how teams are going?  apart from the league tables is there trends forming of teams struggling due players leaving the country or is there teams that look to have a ray of light and progress being made?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on April 24, 2012, 09:53:11 AM
Where do you see the league tables on the Down website at the minute??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 24, 2012, 11:58:05 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on April 23, 2012, 11:10:42 PM
Div 1 & 2 leagues are at an early stage but 3&4 are a bit more advanced with 6games having been played.  Any reports of how teams are going?  apart from the league tables is there trends forming of teams struggling due players leaving the country or is there teams that look to have a ray of light and progress being made?

Nearly all teams seem to have lost a signifigant amount of players over the last 3-4 years, div 3 in particular is not as of high a quality as it would have been 5 years ago. From what I have seen this year Newry Bosco are the opposite, they have a huge panel of players, look very organised, they are a very physical side with a good free kick taker. They could be a good outside bet for the IFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 24, 2012, 07:25:34 PM
Quote from: maldini on April 24, 2012, 09:53:11 AM
Where do you see the league tables on the Down website at the minute??

you need to go in under fixtures/results, then Down comps, then results, then what ever you want after that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on April 25, 2012, 10:59:42 PM
Any one brave enough to try predict the results of this friday night games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on April 26, 2012, 01:44:22 PM
Loughinisland V An Riocht game now switched to An Riocht due to a waterlogged pitch in Loughinisland. Throw in: 730pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 26, 2012, 08:06:09 PM
ACFL Div 1 Half time
saval 0-3 Kilcoo 1-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 26, 2012, 08:53:19 PM
Full time Saval 2-6 Kilcoo 2-8.
A steal from Kilcoo with a goal from Donal Kane with last kick of game.
An Understrength Saval will be gutted to loose in a second half they dominated with young Nial Madine totally dominant in midfield giving a classy display.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Gael on April 26, 2012, 10:12:57 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 26, 2012, 08:53:19 PM
Full time Saval 2-6 Kilcoo 2-8.
A steal from Kilcoo with a goal from Donal Kane with last kick of game.
An Understrength Saval will be gutted to loose in a second half they dominated with young Nial Madine totally dominant in midfield giving a classy display.

could he be worth a shout at senior level?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 26, 2012, 10:19:19 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 26, 2012, 08:53:19 PM
Full time Saval 2-6 Kilcoo 2-8.
A steal from Kilcoo with a goal from Donal Kane with last kick of game.
An Understrength Saval will be gutted to loose in a second half they dominated with young Nial Madine totally dominant in midfield giving a classy display.

Despite the pouring rain it was a right good game. Kilcoo well on top in the 1st half but then played nothing in the 2nd half. It was 2-06 to 1-07 on the hour mark and then in the space of a minute the Magpies bagged 1-01. Frantic finish. Saval actually dominated the 2nd half.

Kilcoo didn't seem to be showing their full hand while Saval were missing Hughes and Kearney. Thought Laverty had good game for Kilcoo. He was buzzing about everywhere. Ryan Johnston also seemed to see a lot of the ball.

Saval's best player in my view was centre half forward Liam Turley. He scored a few great points and was constantly involved in attacks. Madine at midfield and Devlin in the forwards also showed up well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 27, 2012, 04:39:05 PM
Quote from: The Real Gael on April 26, 2012, 10:12:57 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 26, 2012, 08:53:19 PM
Full time Saval 2-6 Kilcoo 2-8.
A steal from Kilcoo with a goal from Donal Kane with last kick of game.
An Understrength Saval will be gutted to loose in a second half they dominated with young Nial Madine totally dominant in midfield giving a classy display.

could he be worth a shout at senior level?

Lets not get carried away. Unreal this board sometimes, 1 or 2 good performances and the old 'worth a look at county level' line comes out. Since Ive been a member of this board, if everyone mentioned was 'worth a look', the Down team would have used about 1000 different players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on April 27, 2012, 08:13:29 PM
An Riocht 1-05
Loughinisland 1-06
Half Tiime Score from Dunavil
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 27, 2012, 08:58:39 PM
Glenn 1.14 Darragh Cross 0.07.   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on April 27, 2012, 09:02:17 PM
An Riocht 2-14
Loughinisland 1-10
Full Time Score From Dunavil

Chris Killen stand our preformer for An Riocht with 10 points, 5 frees
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 27, 2012, 09:06:02 PM
Division 4

Dundrum 1-19   Aghaderg 2-05
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 27, 2012, 09:17:32 PM
Division 1

Mayobridge 4-11 downpatrick 1-11
Clonduff 0-10 Castlewellan 1-13
Longstone 2-10 Bryansford 1-10
Ballyholland 0-8 Burren 0-6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 27, 2012, 09:28:13 PM
Very entertaining game in Longstone this evening. The ford where on top in the first half leading by a goal at half time, Chris Clarke the goalscorer.
The home side where in splendid form after the break, goals from Michael Ireland and a Barry Doran penalty setting them on their way.
Ambrose Rogers was the standout player on view, while Chris Clarke and Danny Savage where excellent for Bryansford.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 27, 2012, 10:33:33 PM
O'Neills ACFL Div 2

Rostrevor 1-19 V 0-5 Clann na Banna

Liatroim 0-10 V 0-13 Shamrocks

Kilclief 1-12 V 2-10 Carryduff

Annaclone 1-9 V 0-12 Warrenpoint


O'Neills ACFL Div 3

Drumgath 1-14 V 0-12 Atticall

Tullylish 4-10 V 2-9 Drumaness

Saul 2-8 V 1-8 St John Bosco

Ardglass 1-10 V 2-13 Glasdrumman

Glenn 1-14 V 0-6 Darragh Cross

St John's 1-7 V 1-11 Ballymartin


O'Neills ACFL Div 4

St Paul's 2-7 V 3-6 Teconnaught

Mitchels 3-14 V 0-11 Aughlisnafin

Dundrum 1-19 V 2-5 Aghaderg

Dromara 1-12 V 0-8 St Michael's

Ballykinlar 1-7 V 1-9 Bright




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 27, 2012, 11:02:31 PM
Great performance by the Harps tonight really fought hard all over the field . Some serious hits by both teams and very keenly contested game in very windy conditions . Ballyholland played a more attacking game tonight which worked to great effect in the 1st half especially well done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 27, 2012, 11:57:52 PM
Rostrevor 1-19 0-5 Clann na Banna

A pretty convincing win for us after two so so performances in the opening games. Banbridge pretty poor to be honest, did seem to have any real threat or leaders, don't know if they were missing boys or what. Took our scores well and good to see some of the younger lads getting some game time. Young Connor Doyle started at wing forward, only 16 and a down minor this year but a great prospect.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 28, 2012, 02:03:48 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on April 27, 2012, 11:02:31 PM
Great performance by the Harps tonight really fought hard all over the field . Some serious hits by both teams and very keenly contested game in very windy conditions . Ballyholland played a more attacking game tonight which worked to great effect in the 1st half especially well done
You were at a totally different game.
This was abysmal from both teams, cross-field hand passing that inevitably went astray, shot-shy forwards who produced 1 point (one point) from Buren in the first half and the same from Harps in the second half, so-called tackles that were an excuse for a mugging, gaelic football reduced to poor rugby league, Harps boys falling to the ground and holding up play with drastic injuries that cleared up as soon as their team had the ball (move over Man Utd & Ashley Young)  - no wonder Down are struggling if this is the coaching that is going on at clubs.
County men Dan McCartan Ger McCartan & Kevin McKernan (who you expect to stand up and be counted)  were exposed big time by a couple of game Ballyholland greenhorns, best player on the pitch by a country mile was White of Ballyholland, (not far behind was Eoin McCartan who looked like he could do serious damage if Burren had any clue about getting good ball in), and then we had a complete joke of a referee - apparently from Kilcoo - no seriously this is too bad it is funny - well,  can I say but that the intensity of the Harps-Burren rivalry brings with it some measure of respect and restraint because when things boiled over they sorted it out themsleves - while the fussy wee b***ard in black went missing (although you could still hear his wee whistle). But overall a shocking indictment of modern gaelic pissball from the teams and the "official".
Lads, we are in deep dodo.
And this is Dow Division One!!
Dire.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on April 28, 2012, 10:59:53 AM
Good man Leo! What do you want ballyholland to do? Go out and play open football and get tanked by 10 points. Needs must dictates the way to get wins. We have been a yo yo club for years and we are all about maintaining a top 6 position in div 1. How we do that? Whatever it takes!

Anyone who thinks players were feigning injury haven't a clue about football. We had 3 injuries in the 1st half (one a dislocated thumb) when we had the wind! Pisses me off when people come on here and disrespect lads like this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 28, 2012, 11:10:12 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on April 28, 2012, 10:59:53 AM
Good man Leo! What do you want ballyholland to do? Go out and play open football and get tanked by 10 points. Needs must dictates the way to get wins. We have been a yo yo club for years and we are all about maintaining a top 6 position in div 1. How we do that? Whatever it takes!

Anyone who thinks players were feigning injury haven't a clue about football. We had 3 injuries in the 1st half (one a dislocated thumb) when we had the wind! Pisses me off when people come on here and disrespect lads like this.

No disrespect intended but there was definite over-playing of "injuries" inthe second half. But fair play to Ballyholland and it has to be said that when they had the wind in the first half they did put some football together whereas Burren were dire throughout. As a neutral I admire what a small club like Ballyholland are doing on and off the field but as to the game I can only comment on what I saw -  without bias.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 28, 2012, 11:15:46 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on April 28, 2012, 10:59:53 AM
Good man Leo! What do you want ballyholland to do? Go out and play open football and get tanked by 10 points. Needs must dictates the way to get wins. We have been a yo yo club for years and we are all about maintaining a top 6 position in div 1. How we do that? Whatever it takes!

Anyone who thinks players were feigning injury haven't a clue about football. We had 3 injuries in the 1st half (one a dislocated thumb) when we had the wind! Pisses me off when people come on here and disrespect lads like this.

There must have been at least 4 minutes injury time in the 1st half....how many did the ref play? 0
A couple of minor stoppages in the 2nd half and at the end he played 5 mins+ when Burren had the wind.

Have to give our lads a huge amount of credit. They matched Burren in every department and were better in quite a few.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on April 28, 2012, 11:35:13 AM
Anyone got an updated Div 1 table?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 28, 2012, 01:25:06 PM
Down Website - http://www.sportsmanager.ie/cake/gaa2/downGaa/taggedNews/117004/L_u_t_l_d_o_t_o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 28, 2012, 03:28:32 PM
Quote from: southdown on April 28, 2012, 11:35:13 AM
Anyone got an updated Div 1 table?

Team   Pld   Won   Draw   Lost   For   Against   Diff   Points
Kilcoo
3   2   1   0   34   24   10   5
Longstone
3   2   0   1   49   35   14   4
Castlewellan
3   2   0   1   46   38   8   4
Clonduff
3   2   0   1   38   33   5   4
Mayobridge
3   2   0   1   55   54   1   4
Bryansford
3   1   1   1   40   37   3   3
Burren
3   1   0   2   41   35   6   2
Ballyholland
3   1   0   2   19   30   -11   2
Downpatrick
3   1   0   2   35   58   -23   2
Saval
3   0   0   3   37   50   -13   0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 28, 2012, 03:54:07 PM
Just a word on the Ballyholland Burren match last night.  Harps fully deserved their victory.  They can be cyncial and defensive but they play to their strengths and are very difficult to beat at home and play the conditions well.  As has been said they have been a yoyo club for a long time and Mulholland has obvioulsy seen what they need to do to be competitive in the top league and fair fcuks to him, thats what they are doing.

Burren were dire, whether there are confidence issues with some players, a lack of in some cases and too much in other cases, a lack of fitness, curious decisions along the line or whatever else, they are currently in a bad place and have a lot of improving to do.  Still early season and long way to go.

The ref was just rediculous, for both teams.  U could see both sets of players bewildered by the majority of the decisions.  I heard one player saying "dont be saying anything to him lads, the man is a lunatic".  Im not usually one for giving out bout refs but county board would need to look at it, if that man was in charge of an important championship match there would be carnage.

On county player watch, the best player by a country mile in the first half imo was the player the county have disregarded this year.  Note Burren had to take the current first choice county corner back off him after 20 mins!!!  Ballyholland had to move him out the field in the 2nd half as no ball was going in but u could see in the first half that he still has the class.  As for Burren's "county stars", the less said the better.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 28, 2012, 04:52:51 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 28, 2012, 03:54:07 PM
Just a word on the Ballyholland Burren match last night.  Harps fully deserved their victory.  They can be cyncial and defensive but they play to their strengths and are very difficult to beat at home and play the conditions well.  As has been said they have been a yoyo club for a long time and Mulholland has obvioulsy seen what they need to do to be competitive in the top league and fair fcuks to him, thats what they are doing.

Burren were dire, whether there are confidence issues with some players, a lack of in some cases and too much in other cases, a lack of fitness, curious decisions along the line or whatever else, they are currently in a bad place and have a lot of improving to do.  Still early season and long way to go.

The ref was just rediculous, for both teams.  U could see both sets of players bewildered by the majority of the decisions.  I heard one player saying "dont be saying anything to him lads, the man is a lunatic".  Im not usually one for giving out bout refs but county board would need to look at it, if that man was in charge of an important championship match there would be carnage.

On county player watch, the best player by a country mile in the first half imo was the player the county have disregarded this year.  Note Burren had to take the current first choice county corner back off him after 20 mins!!!  Ballyholland had to move him out the field in the 2nd half as no ball was going in but u could see in the first half that he still has the class.  As for Burren's "county stars", the less said the better.......

Just picking up on one point WGM.  There is no way on God's green earth that any player from Burren would ever suffer from a lack of confidence.  As soon as a breath hits their lungs on birth, the chest inflates and it remains that way for life (even if the were born in Warrenpoint and decide to play for Burren).  They were gonna stroll the league this year after wiping the floor with the Bridge in the first league game, maybe put on a few pound on a great league or championship run like some of them like to do  ;) and then Clonduff hammer into them and Ballyholland smother them. 

Any referees I have seen this year have been brutal.  Indecision, lack of consistency, favouritism, failure to apply the rules (if known), lack of common sense, listening to the loudest call on the line, the list could go on.  The frustration on the field and on the line can be felt in every game I have watched because of the inadequacy and arrogance of these men who control our games.  Are all counties the same as the tubes that we have in Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 28, 2012, 06:29:09 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 28, 2012, 02:03:48 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on April 27, 2012, 11:02:31 PM
Great performance by the Harps tonight really fought hard all over the field . Some serious hits by both teams and very keenly contested game in very windy conditions . Ballyholland played a more attacking game tonight which worked to great effect in the 1st half especially well done
You were at a totally different game.
This was abysmal from both teams, cross-field hand passing that inevitably went astray, shot-shy forwards who produced 1 point (one point) from Buren in the first half and the same from Harps in the second half, so-called tackles that were an excuse for a mugging, gaelic football reduced to poor rugby league, Harps boys falling to the ground and holding up play with drastic injuries that cleared up as soon as their team had the ball (move over Man Utd & Ashley Young)  - no wonder Down are struggling if this is the coaching that is going on at clubs.
County men Dan McCartan Ger McCartan & Kevin McKernan (who you expect to stand up and be counted)  were exposed big time by a couple of game Ballyholland greenhorns, best player on the pitch by a country mile was White of Ballyholland, (not far behind was Eoin McCartan who looked like he could do serious damage if Burren had any clue about getting good ball in), and then we had a complete joke of a referee - apparently from Kilcoo - no seriously this is too bad it is funny - well,  can I say but that the intensity of the Harps-Burren rivalry brings with it some measure of respect and restraint because when things boiled over they sorted it out themsleves - while the fussy wee b***ard in black went missing (although you could still hear his wee whistle). But overall a shocking indictment of modern gaelic pissball from the teams and the "official".
Lads, we are in deep dodo.
And this is Dow Division One!!
Dire.

I'm sure you'll be interested to hear Leo that one of the injuries you speak of is a broken thumb and a hairline fracture of the wrist...the lad finished the game...Goldenyears is 100% correct about respect, or the lack of it, from Hurlers on the Ditch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Gael on April 28, 2012, 09:14:40 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 28, 2012, 03:54:07 PM
Just a word on the Ballyholland Burren match last night.  Harps fully deserved their victory.  They can be cyncial and defensive but they play to their strengths and are very difficult to beat at home and play the conditions well.  As has been said they have been a yoyo club for a long time and Mulholland has obvioulsy seen what they need to do to be competitive in the top league and fair fcuks to him, thats what they are doing.

Burren were dire, whether there are confidence issues with some players, a lack of in some cases and too much in other cases, a lack of fitness, curious decisions along the line or whatever else, they are currently in a bad place and have a lot of improving to do.  Still early season and long way to go.

The ref was just rediculous, for both teams.  U could see both sets of players bewildered by the majority of the decisions.  I heard one player saying "dont be saying anything to him lads, the man is a lunatic".  Im not usually one for giving out bout refs but county board would need to look at it, if that man was in charge of an important championship match there would be carnage.

On county player watch, the best player by a country mile in the first half imo was the player the county have disregarded this year.  Note Burren had to take the current first choice county corner back off him after 20 mins!!!  Ballyholland had to move him out the field in the 2nd half as no ball was going in but u could see in the first half that he still has the class. As for Burren's "county stars", the less said the better.......

How many Burren players are currently in the Down panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on April 29, 2012, 12:10:23 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 28, 2012, 06:29:09 PM
Quote from: Leo on April 28, 2012, 02:03:48 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on April 27, 2012, 11:02:31 PM
Great performance by the Harps tonight really fought hard all over the field . Some serious hits by both teams and very keenly contested game in very windy conditions . Ballyholland played a more attacking game tonight which worked to great effect in the 1st half especially well done
You were at a totally different game.
This was abysmal from both teams, cross-field hand passing that inevitably went astray, shot-shy forwards who produced 1 point (one point) from Buren in the first half and the same from Harps in the second half, so-called tackles that were an excuse for a mugging, gaelic football reduced to poor rugby league, Harps boys falling to the ground and holding up play with drastic injuries that cleared up as soon as their team had the ball (move over Man Utd & Ashley Young)  - no wonder Down are struggling if this is the coaching that is going on at clubs.
County men Dan McCartan Ger McCartan & Kevin McKernan (who you expect to stand up and be counted)  were exposed big time by a couple of game Ballyholland greenhorns, best player on the pitch by a country mile was White of Ballyholland, (not far behind was Eoin McCartan who looked like he could do serious damage if Burren had any clue about getting good ball in), and then we had a complete joke of a referee - apparently from Kilcoo - no seriously this is too bad it is funny - well,  can I say but that the intensity of the Harps-Burren rivalry brings with it some measure of respect and restraint because when things boiled over they sorted it out themsleves - while the fussy wee b***ard in black went missing (although you could still hear his wee whistle). But overall a shocking indictment of modern gaelic pissball from the teams and the "official".
Lads, we are in deep dodo.
And this is Dow Division One!!
Dire.

I'm sure you'll be interested to hear Leo that one of the injuries you speak of is a broken thumb and a hairline fracture of the wrist...the lad finished the game...Goldenyears is 100% correct about respect, or the lack of it, from Hurlers on the Ditch.

never played hurling on the ditch or otherwise. I think the broken thumb happened in the first half. That does not deflect from the use of down-time as a clear tactic in the second half - and it does not detract from the fact that Harps deserved to win. A bit of balance does no harm.
As for the number of county players on the Burren team only Declan Rooney & Eoin McCartan looked remotely like county players, best man on the Burren team by a mile was Eamon McGovern.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on April 29, 2012, 09:50:50 AM
Thanks for the teams SuperSub, appreciate that!

Should be an interesting game tomorrow evening, two of the favoured and inform teams. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 30, 2012, 01:12:51 PM
Any decent games worth going to tonight? Could someone post the fixtures for this evening, cant access the down web page for some reason. Thank you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 30, 2012, 01:21:53 PM
DIV 1
Downpatrick V Clonduff
Ballyholland V Saval
Bryansford V Mayobridge
Burren V Castlewellan
Kilcoo V Longstone

DIV 2
Warrenpoint V Liatroim
Kilclief V Loughinisland
Clann na Banna V Annaclone
Carryduff V Shamrocks
An Ríocht V Rostrevor

DIV 3
Glasdrumman V St John's
Darragh Cross V Ardglass
Atticall V Saul
Drumaness V Drumgath
Ballymartin V Tullylish
St John Bosco V Glenn

DIV 4
Teconnaught V Dundrum
Bright V St Paul's
Aughlisnafin V Dromara
Aghaderg V Mitchels

IMO, although it is Div 3 football, Bosco v Glenn will be the game this evening that stands out giving their fierce rivalry and games in the past 3 years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on April 30, 2012, 05:54:22 PM
Quote from: general on April 30, 2012, 01:21:53 PM
DIV 1
Downpatrick V Clonduff
Ballyholland V Saval
Bryansford V Mayobridge
Burren V Castlewellan
Kilcoo V Longstone

DIV 2
Warrenpoint V Liatroim
Kilclief V Loughinisland
Clann na Banna V Annaclone
Carryduff V Shamrocks
An Ríocht V Rostrevor

DIV 3
Glasdrumman V St John's
Darragh Cross V Ardglass
Atticall V Saul
Drumaness V Drumgath
Ballymartin V Tullylish
St John Bosco V Glenn

DIV 4
Teconnaught V Dundrum
Bright V St Paul's
Aughlisnafin V Dromara
Aghaderg V Mitchels

IMO, although it is Div 3 football, Bosco v Glenn will be the game this evening that stands out giving their fierce rivalry and games in the past 3 years

Glenn match called off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 30, 2012, 09:30:52 PM
Down Division 4

Teconnaught 0-05  Dundrum 2-22
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 30, 2012, 10:10:19 PM
clonduff beat d'patrick 4-9 to 12pts. kingdom and rostrevor drew 7pts each
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 30, 2012, 10:12:10 PM
Division 1
Burren 2-16 castlewellan 1-11
bryansford 1-12 mayobridge 0-9
ballyholland 2-11 Saval 0-8
Downpatrick 0-12 Clonduff 4-9
Kilcoo 1-12 Longstone 1-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 30, 2012, 10:16:29 PM
Kilcoo produced their best display of the season tonight against a disappointing Longstone side. Felim Mcgreevy totally dominated midfield while Conor Laverty was superb at full forward terrorising the reds defence. Gary Mcevoy bagged 1-3 from play and finished as top scorer in a great display.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 30, 2012, 10:17:06 PM
Benny carried off as Ford beat the Bridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 30, 2012, 11:14:26 PM
League tables

http://www.sportsmanager.ie/cake/gaa2/downGaa/taggedNews/117004/L_u_t_l_d_o_t_o

What's the word on Benny??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on May 01, 2012, 10:57:28 AM
any div 2 results. Thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on May 01, 2012, 11:46:10 AM

5

Warrenpoint 2-15 V 1-4 Liatroim

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Warrenpoint

Referee: Jim Burns



5

Kilclief 0-10 V 5-6 Loughinisland

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Kilclief

Referee: Oliver Burke



5

Clann na Banna 0-9 V 1-14 Annaclone

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Clann na Banna

Referee: Gavin Corrigan



5

Carryduff 1-10 V 0-5 Shamrocks

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Carryduff

Referee: Ciaran Mooney



5

An Ríocht 0-7 V 0-7 Rostrevor

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: An Riocht

Referee: Shane Lowey

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on May 01, 2012, 12:02:58 PM
Thanks Golden Years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EDChief on May 01, 2012, 12:11:21 PM
Took a trip down to Division 4 yesterday to see Dundrum.
The game was over after 10 minutes.
Teconnaught were very poor.
Going backwards at a serious rate of knots.
Dundrum seem to have recovered well after the set back of relegation and with McComiskey in the team will have far too much for the other teams in Division 4.
They also have another few nippy forwards and will definitely be favourites for the Junior Championship considering the poor form of Drumaness in Division 3.

If Benny has picked up an injury, James needs to get on the phone to Paul and get him back. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 01, 2012, 12:45:13 PM
Quote from: EDChief on May 01, 2012, 12:11:21 PM
Took a trip down to Division 4 yesterday to see Dundrum.
The game was over after 10 minutes.
Teconnaught were very poor.
Going backwards at a serious rate of knots.
Dundrum seem to have recovered well after the set back of relegation and with McComiskey in the team will have far too much for the other teams in Division 4.
They also have another few nippy forwards and will definitely be favourites for the Junior Championship considering the poor form of Drumaness in Division 3.

If Benny has picked up an injury, James needs to get on the phone to Paul and get him back.

Drumaness won the JFC in 2010 and got relegated from Division 3 the same year so citing their current League position is irrelevant. League form means diddly squat come Championship time and Drumaness are still rightfully favourites for the JFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EDChief on May 01, 2012, 01:48:17 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 01, 2012, 12:45:13 PM

Drumaness won the JFC in 2010 and got relegated from Division 3 the same year so citing their current League position is irrelevant. League form means diddly squat come Championship time and Drumaness are still rightfully favourites for the JFC.

A fair enough point.  I suppose the group nature of the JFC wil give them a chance because they should get back into a winning habit.  But still think you are the better outfit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 01, 2012, 02:02:36 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on April 30, 2012, 10:16:29 PM
Kilcoo produced their best display of the season tonight against a disappointing Longstone side. Felim Mcgreevy totally dominated midfield while Conor Laverty was superb at full forward terrorising the reds defence. Gary Mcevoy bagged 1-3 from play and finished as top scorer in a great display.
Kilcoo looked very stong last night. Very tight defence. They are the team to beat in Down this year. Longstone never got a sniff. I would have expected more from Ambrose Rodgers but He wasn't able to influence the game at all...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on May 01, 2012, 02:24:52 PM
An Riocht and Rostrevor played out a 0-07 all draw last night in Pairc Na Riochta. Both teams had chances to win it, but the home team hit 12 wides in the second half due to a unpredictable wind after leading 0-06 to 0-03 at halftime. Brendan McVeigh made 2 brilliant save's at the start of the start of the second half and if it had not been for that, An Riocht could have been consigned to defeat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 01, 2012, 02:29:16 PM
I'm hearing Benny is out for 8 weeks minimum with an ankle injury.  Pure disaster for Down considering the injury list thats building up. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on May 01, 2012, 06:20:49 PM
Why is there now no games until 18 may?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 01, 2012, 07:54:04 PM
Down forward Benny Coulter is set to miss the Ulster SFC after suffering a suspected broken ankle in a club game.
Coulter sustained the injury while playing for Mayobridge against Bryansford in Newcastle on Monday.
The loss of the former All Star is a massive setback for the Mourne county ahead of their championship opener against Fermanagh on 3 June.
(From BBC website)

This is a disaster for Down. With Hughes, Doyle, Gordan and Rooney very doubtful this leaves us with too many classy players sidelined to be able to make an impact in Ulster.
I think the management need to be getting McComiskey and Murtagh in the squad as soon as possible. If ever there was a time they where needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 01, 2012, 07:56:00 PM
 massive blow if thats the case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 01, 2012, 08:11:09 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on May 01, 2012, 06:20:49 PM
Why is there now no games until 18 may?

May day weekend then that Croke Park initiative for promoting the Championship on Fri 11th I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 01, 2012, 10:04:34 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 01, 2012, 07:56:00 PM
massive blow if thats the case.
The Ulster Final's not until the 22nd July...he'll be grand by then lads!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 01, 2012, 10:12:34 PM
hope he is 5 sams massive blow when he seemed to be coming into his groove again . Feel so sorry for him hope its not as bad as being reported
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on May 01, 2012, 10:49:33 PM
According to BBC sport, Benny has a broken ankle and is done for the summer!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/17917205 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/17917205)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on May 01, 2012, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: outinfront on May 01, 2012, 08:11:09 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on May 01, 2012, 06:20:49 PM
Why is there now no games until 18 may?

May day weekend then that Croke Park initiative for promoting the Championship on Fri 11th I think.
No games because its Mayday weekend?? are you for real.   
Next thing is there will be a closed weekend for the Queens Jubilee FFS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 02, 2012, 09:27:15 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on May 01, 2012, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: outinfront on May 01, 2012, 08:11:09 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on May 01, 2012, 06:20:49 PM
Why is there now no games until 18 may?

May day weekend then that Croke Park initiative for promoting the Championship on Fri 11th I think.
No games because its Mayday weekend?? are you for real.   
Next thing is there will be a closed weekend for the Queens Jubilee FFS

I'm just guessing, probably wrong!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 03, 2012, 08:24:34 AM
Quote from: outinfront on May 02, 2012, 09:27:15 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on May 01, 2012, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: outinfront on May 01, 2012, 08:11:09 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on May 01, 2012, 06:20:49 PM
Why is there now no games until 18 may?

May day weekend then that Croke Park initiative for promoting the Championship on Fri 11th I think.
No games because its Mayday weekend?? are you for real.   
Next thing is there will be a closed weekend for the Queens Jubilee FFS

I'm just guessing, probably wrong!

County team are on a training weekend apparently - thats why the games are off....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 03, 2012, 03:53:08 PM
Kilcoo look hard to stop this year. Burren and the ford look good bets as well for championship.. the Bridge will be a threat but the young lads heading away wont help.. Whats your thoughts on Clonduff, they are a big club with plenty of potential.. the stone will also be a threat come championship time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on May 04, 2012, 03:18:38 PM
Interviews with James McCartan and Benny Coulter from Desintation Newry

http://www.destinationnewry.com/video/latest-video/sports/gaa (http://www.destinationnewry.com/video/latest-video/sports/gaa)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 04, 2012, 09:51:33 PM
Taken from Ulster Colleges website


News

BT Dalton Cup Final - Video

Fri 4th May 2012


Congratulations to St Colman's Newry on winning the 2012 BT Dalton Cup Final at the Moy in County Tyrone on Friday May 4.





The Violet Hill college came from nine points down to defeat Omagh CBS by 3-8 to 1-10 and so lift the trophy for the first time since 1997.


CLICK ON THIS LINK to watch a St Colman's goal by Jack McCartan: 

http://tinyurl.com/8xjbfyg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 05, 2012, 09:19:58 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on May 04, 2012, 09:51:33 PM
Taken from Ulster Colleges website


News

BT Dalton Cup Final - Video

Fri 4th May 2012


Congratulations to St Colman's Newry on winning the 2012 BT Dalton Cup Final at the Moy in County Tyrone on Friday May 4.





The Violet Hill college came from nine points down to defeat Omagh CBS by 3-8 to 1-10 and so lift the trophy for the first time since 1997.


CLICK ON THIS LINK to watch a St Colman's goal by Jack McCartan: 

http://tinyurl.com/8xjbfyg

i cant wait till jack mccartan plays senior football..class prospect!! as long as he dosent get scouted for that foreign game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 05, 2012, 10:42:44 AM
Sad to hear of the death of Kate Mason, former Portaferry GAC chairperson after a recent illness.

Deepest sympathies to her family and friends who represented Portaferry in hurling and Camogie at all levels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Gael on May 05, 2012, 11:39:28 PM
Quote from: general on May 05, 2012, 09:19:58 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on May 04, 2012, 09:51:33 PM
Taken from Ulster Colleges website


News

BT Dalton Cup Final - Video

Fri 4th May 2012


Congratulations to St Colman's Newry on winning the 2012 BT Dalton Cup Final at the Moy in County Tyrone on Friday May 4.





The Violet Hill college came from nine points down to defeat Omagh CBS by 3-8 to 1-10 and so lift the trophy for the first time since 1997.


CLICK ON THIS LINK to watch a St Colman's goal by Jack McCartan: 

http://tinyurl.com/8xjbfyg

i cant wait till jack mccartan plays senior football..class prospect!! as long as he dosent get scouted for that foreign game
[/b][/b]

Ah the prospect of another midget coming through is so exciting  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 06, 2012, 01:51:26 PM
off course he is a midget he is only 13 !! His relation James was no giant and he turned out alright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 06, 2012, 07:01:21 PM
Quote from: The Real Gael on May 05, 2012, 11:39:28 PM
Quote from: general on May 05, 2012, 09:19:58 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on May 04, 2012, 09:51:33 PM
Taken from Ulster Colleges website


News

BT Dalton Cup Final - Video

Fri 4th May 2012


Congratulations to St Colman's Newry on winning the 2012 BT Dalton Cup Final at the Moy in County Tyrone on Friday May 4.





The Violet Hill college came from nine points down to defeat Omagh CBS by 3-8 to 1-10 and so lift the trophy for the first time since 1997.


CLICK ON THIS LINK to watch a St Colman's goal by Jack McCartan: 

http://tinyurl.com/8xjbfyg

i cant wait till jack mccartan plays senior football..class prospect!! as long as he dosent get scouted for that foreign game
[/b][/b]

Ah the prospect of another midget coming through is so exciting  ::)
Quote from: NP 76 on May 06, 2012, 01:51:26 PM
off course he is a midget he is only 13 !! His relation James was no giant and he turned out alright

Pathetic statement Real Gael considering that the lad your are ridiculing is only 13 years of age.  I wouldn't mind 'Another midget' as you say if he was in the mould of wee James - how many All Irelands did he have a hand in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 06, 2012, 09:33:51 PM
In fairness lads you should know by now not to pass any remarks on what the real gael says. He knows as much about football as my arse knows about snipe shootin!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 07, 2012, 02:04:06 PM
Quote from: alba2 on May 03, 2012, 08:24:34 AM
Quote from: outinfront on May 02, 2012, 09:27:15 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on May 01, 2012, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: outinfront on May 01, 2012, 08:11:09 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on May 01, 2012, 06:20:49 PM
Why is there now no games until 18 may?

May day weekend then that Croke Park initiative for promoting the Championship on Fri 11th I think.
No games because its Mayday weekend?? are you for real.   
Next thing is there will be a closed weekend for the Queens Jubilee FFS

I'm just guessing, probably wrong!

County team are on a training weekend apparently - thats why the games are off....

Seriously, is this the reason why hundreds of footballers were left kicking their heals this weekend.  In every other county the club games continue irrespective of what tthe county team are doing.  Let the county men go on their training weekend, no problem, but give the ordinary club man a game.  The leagues on started a few weeks back and already there is a two week break.  Divisions 3 & 4 are nearly half way through and we are only in the first week in May.  Who dreams up this madness?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 07, 2012, 04:24:37 PM
Line Ball, don't blame the county team or county board. Blame the handful of clubs (led by An Riocht) who spend their existence complaining about how they're unfairly punished for producing county players, and the majority of clubs who pander to these sh1te ideas come county convention.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 07, 2012, 05:47:38 PM
An Riocht now have 1 county player so how can they wield so much power.  I can understand the problems they had over the last few years particularly having the Clarkes involved with the County teams.  In the County proposals for next year it states that

Starred games would not affect the outcome of the Leagues

What exactly does this mean?  The points accrued in 'Starred games' won't be counted? How can you have a league where the results of certain games will be counted but not some others. 

Only in Down.  It must be the wonderful 'Down Way' of doing things which we hear so much about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 07, 2012, 08:00:28 PM
A few things there line ball.

An Riocht are an influential club because they produce an unusually number of administrators. But all they can do is influence - it's the majority that forces through change.

While they might only have one county player at present, it always takes a few years to turn anger/frustration into change. Which is why I always get frustrated at shortsighted proposals from clubs that feel afflicted. Truth is, injuries, suspensions and migration will always hurt you more than the presence/absence of county players during the county season... when their minds are elsewhere.

Next year's bullsh1t ruination of a superb league system is a case in point. With fewer games in D1, county players should be available for all 15 league games. That is, apart from when they're injured, or just need a post-championship break.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 07, 2012, 08:34:33 PM
QuoteAn Riocht are an influential club because they produce an unusually number of administrators.

Who?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 07, 2012, 10:21:41 PM

County team are on a training weekend apparently - thats why the games are off....
[/quote]

Seriously, is this the reason why hundreds of footballers were left kicking their heals this weekend.  In every other county the club games continue irrespective of what tthe county team are doing.  Let the county men go on their training weekend, no problem, but give the ordinary club man a game.  The leagues on started a few weeks back and already there is a two week break.  Divisions 3 & 4 are nearly half way through and we are only in the first week in May.  Who dreams up this madness?
[/quote]

I agree that the club games should still go ahead despite the county players being on training weekend.  Most of the clubs are used to playing without them anyhow at this time of year.  the county players need time to get their heads around the forthcoming championship game.  But let the other players at it... Hundreds of players from all divisions are left with nothing when games should and could have been played without bother...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Gael on May 08, 2012, 12:16:59 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 06, 2012, 09:33:51 PM
In fairness lads you should know by now not to pass any remarks on what the real gael says. He knows as much about football as my arse knows about snipe shootin!!

Suppose having 3000+ posts makes you an expert  ::) or possibly a sad   .....................  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 09, 2012, 10:25:49 AM
I see our Seniors are getting a run out against Armagh on the 20th of May at St Paul's in Lurgan during the opening of their new pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 09, 2012, 09:27:14 PM
Bredagh beat Ballykinler tonight. Ciaran Mooney was refing it, he has been mentioned on here previously and this was the first time I have seen him. impressed with the way he handles the game, talks to the players as adults and directly to them and not with his head down looking at the ground, lets the players know why he has blown up. a very assured display indeed and praise were praise is due
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on May 10, 2012, 06:09:46 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 09, 2012, 09:27:14 PM
Bredagh beat Ballykinler tonight. Ciaran Mooney was refing it, he has been mentioned on here previously and this was the first time I have seen him. impressed with the way he handles the game, talks to the players as adults and directly to them and not with his head down looking at the ground, lets the players know why he has blown up. a very assured display indeed and praise were praise is due
sure it would be easy to referee a bredagh match you city lads couldnt knock snow off a rope never mind give a hard tackle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on May 11, 2012, 10:47:10 AM
Anyone have any idea of when the JFC will start?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 11, 2012, 12:09:19 PM
weekend of 10th-12th August
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on May 11, 2012, 12:55:01 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 07, 2012, 04:24:37 PM
Line Ball, don't blame the county team or county board. Blame the handful of clubs (led by An Riocht) who spend their existence complaining about how they're unfairly punished for producing county players, and the majority of clubs who pander to these sh1te ideas come county convention.

Care to elaborate pal? "led by An Riocht"??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 11, 2012, 01:50:44 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 11, 2012, 12:09:19 PM
weekend of 10th-12th August

You sure 5 Sams? With the new group stages in place I would of thought that it would be starting earlier.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 11, 2012, 04:56:06 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 11, 2012, 01:50:44 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 11, 2012, 12:09:19 PM
weekend of 10th-12th August

You sure 5 Sams? With the new group stages in place I would of thought that it would be starting earlier.

You could be right...I'm just going by the master list..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 12, 2012, 07:54:44 AM
As far as im aware, senior and intermediate is between the 10th + 12th of August..

junior was due to be played through june im nearly sure
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on May 12, 2012, 11:52:57 AM
How much is it into the hurling today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 12, 2012, 04:52:44 PM
Quote from: general on May 12, 2012, 07:54:44 AM
As far as im aware, senior and intermediate is between the 10th + 12th of August..

junior was due to be played through june im nearly sure

Senior is in June
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 12, 2012, 07:32:58 PM
Tell me this, did anyone hear rumblings of the games next Friday nite being pulled?  I was chatting to a few lads today who had it on good authority that it was discussed at County Board level at there's a real possibility that the games won't go ahead next weekend.  Now I'm not saying they are off but just wondering if anyone had heard this as well.

I believe League games in other counties are being cancelled at the behest of county management in preparation for their championship which is weeks away.  Once again the ordinary club football is being seen as a distraction to County boards - I hope this isn't the case in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 12, 2012, 10:23:03 PM
Good win for the hurlers today afer a very poor start. They're in the semi final again. Draw on Monday I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 13, 2012, 12:00:55 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on May 12, 2012, 07:32:58 PM
Tell me this, did anyone hear rumblings of the games next Friday nite being pulled?  I was chatting to a few lads today who had it on good authority that it was discussed at County Board level at there's a real possibility that the games won't go ahead next weekend.  Now I'm not saying they are off but just wondering if anyone had heard this as well.

I believe League games in other counties are being cancelled at the behest of county management in preparation for their championship which is weeks away.  Once again the ordinary club football is being seen as a distraction to County boards - I hope this isn't the case in Down.
[/quote

I did hear that on Friday night to be honest but wasnt sure how true it was at the time. Surely can only hamper clubs preparations for championship!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lonely1 on May 13, 2012, 12:10:47 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on May 12, 2012, 10:23:03 PM
Good win for the hurlers today afer a very poor start. They're in the semi final again. Draw on Monday I think.

Was talking to lad this morning who was at the game yesterday in Newry, said on two occasions the Meath manager and runner both called the Down management a "Bunch of Orange Bstds"! You 6 County F****s Cant believe it, this is beginning to creep in more and more a needs to stamped out immediately, I would hope your county board have the B***s to take this all the way and make an example of the two F ers!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 13, 2012, 07:42:38 PM
If there are no league games this friday it will be an utter disgrace, it will leave a full month without fixtures, I just do not understand it. I realise that Croke park would not allow games to go ahead on friday evening because of some marketing decision, but could the county board not have brought the games forward to thursday night and if that did not suit play them on sunday. Am I being over critical? Surely its in wee James interest to have club players getting games and if someone is showing up well bring them into the squad. The club player pays his membership at the start of the year, £100 quid in Saul this year and is entitled to a game every week or most weeks at least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 13, 2012, 10:13:24 PM
Full set of fixtures for this Friday in all four divisions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on May 14, 2012, 04:27:12 PM
any predictions for this fridays games? any shocks in store?
Also how are the minors getting on who are the players to be looking out for????? 8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 14, 2012, 11:21:01 PM
Quote£100 quid in Saul this year

:o  Seriously?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on May 15, 2012, 01:19:36 PM
are the games this friday starred??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 15, 2012, 02:10:44 PM
Quote from: No1 on May 14, 2012, 11:21:01 PM
Quote£100 quid in Saul this year

:o  Seriously?
The ladies are paying 100 quid anyway, the men I presume are paying the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on May 15, 2012, 04:36:33 PM
Does anyone know when the exact dates and times for the Championships might be decided/announced?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on May 15, 2012, 07:27:40 PM
no mccomiskey in the championship squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 15, 2012, 08:49:00 PM
Seems a case of no committment,no place, cant argue with that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on May 16, 2012, 09:53:55 AM
There are a few strange choices in the championship squad for the year ahead.... IS that lad Shane Harrisson from Glasdrumman in as a keeper or an outfield player? Is his brother Connaire not worth a shout for his scoring exploits alone?? Costello? Anton Mc Ardle - is he not injured long term??  All the rave reviews about Gough at the start of the season and his transfer causing ruffled feathers among Armagh people - why has he not made it??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on May 17, 2012, 01:13:25 AM
The exclusion of Conor Gough is no surprise as he has struggled to make an impact this year, even at under 21 level.  But perhaps he will improve and is still a prospect for the future
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 17, 2012, 08:36:09 PM
Correct the lad isn't ready. James took a look at him at the start of the year and decided he wasn't ready which is fair enough IMO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Marshes on May 17, 2012, 10:24:44 PM
Quote from: alba2 on May 16, 2012, 09:53:55 AM
There are a few strange choices in the championship squad for the year ahead.... IS that lad Shane Harrisson from Glasdrumman in as a keeper or an outfield player? Is his brother Connaire not worth a shout for his scoring exploits alone?? Costello? Anton Mc Ardle - is he not injured long term??  All the rave reviews about Gough at the start of the season and his transfer causing ruffled feathers among Armagh people - why has he not made it??

Great talent but I fear his discipline/temperament holds him back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on May 18, 2012, 03:33:00 PM
Can any of the older poster rememeber a time when there was a team that played known as "mourne" or possibly "lower mourne?"

If so, what clubs were involved?  I overheard some older men talking about it.  Would be interesting to see what sort of a team they could produce today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 18, 2012, 05:23:56 PM
I remember Mourne playing in the Baronys League against Lecale and Iveagh. Amalgamated teams played each other as county trials back in  the day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 18, 2012, 09:13:08 PM
Down Division 4

Dundrum 0-25   Bright 0-08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 18, 2012, 09:15:18 PM
Glenn 4-15 drumaness 0-17
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 18, 2012, 09:16:58 PM
Rostrevor 1-17 Kilclief 0-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 18, 2012, 09:19:57 PM
Div 4

St Paul's (http://people.gaa.ie/club/down/#) 1-4 V 3-25 Bredagh (http://people.gaa.ie/club/down/#)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on May 18, 2012, 09:32:56 PM
Why are Glasdrumman's results always so slow coming through?.  Its always seems the case. 
Tonight they are away to Drumgath - a critical Div 3 match.   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 18, 2012, 09:41:09 PM
Down Div 1 . Mayobridge 0:10 Kilcoo 0.10. A long range free from Paul Devlin was enough to secure the draw for Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 18, 2012, 09:56:30 PM
div 3

Ardglass 0-9 V 3-12 Ballymartin

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Ardglass GAC

Referee: Damien Laverty

9

Drumgath 2-10 V 2-10 Glasdrumman

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Drumgath

Referee: Eddie Morgan

9

St John's 0-4 V 1-8 St John Bosco

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: St John's

Referee: Gavin Corrigan

9

Saul 3-12 V 0-5 Darragh Cross

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Saul

Referee: Mark Domican

9

Glenn 4-15 V 0-17 St Colman's Drumaness

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Glenn

Referee: Sean Flynn S

9

Tullylish 0-16 V 0-5 Atticall

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Tullylish

Referee: Alan Grant

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 18, 2012, 09:57:27 PM
div 1

Castlewellan 4-11 V 1-10 Downpatrick

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Castlewellan

Referee: Jim Burns

6

Longstone 2-11 V 2-9 Ballyholland

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Longstone

Referee: Declan Ryan

6

Clonduff 2-13 V 2-20 Bryansford

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Clonduff

Referee: Brendan Rice

6

Mayobridge 0-10 V 0-10 Kilcoo

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Mayobridge

Referee: Neill Cousins

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 18, 2012, 09:58:04 PM
div 2

Shamrocks 1-6 V 1-10 Warrenpoint

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Shamrocks

Referee: Fearghal Laverty

6

Rostrevor 1-17 V 0-5 Kilclief

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Rostrevor

Referee: Ciaran Branagan

6

Loughinisland 1-10 V 0-5 Carryduff

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Loughinisland

Referee: Pascal Toner

6

Liatroim 3-11 V 2-5 Clann na Banna

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Liatroim

Referee: John Killen

6

Annaclone 0-5 V 0-7 An Ríocht

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Annaclone

Referee: Kieran Trainor

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 18, 2012, 09:58:45 PM
div 4

St Paul's 1-4 V 3-25 Bredagh

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: St Pauls

Referee: John Mc Mullan

9

St Michael's 1-13 V 2-2 Aughlisnafin

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: St Michael's

Referee: Ronan Barry

9

Mitchels 3-11 V 0-8 Teconnaught

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Mitchels

Referee: Leo Smyth

9

Dundrum 0-24 V 0-8 Bright

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Dundrum

Referee: P D Doyle

9

Aghaderg 1-13 V 0-9 Dromara

Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Clann na Banna

Referee: Dominc Kearns

Title: Div 2
Post by: No1 on May 18, 2012, 11:20:51 PM
Kilclief are fucked.

Is there really no relegation from Div 2 this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 18, 2012, 11:31:00 PM
yeah. top 6 join won, rest stay put
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 19, 2012, 12:04:04 AM
did i hear right that the winner of the intermediate jumps to div 1 next year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on May 19, 2012, 12:27:52 AM
watch the language no 1.mr morgan cost drumgath the game against glasdrumond by awarding a penalty for over carrying when the rules state that in such a situation a free kick is the correct decission. any comment please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 19, 2012, 12:35:04 AM
Quote from: lucan on May 19, 2012, 12:27:52 AM
watch the language no 1.mr morgan cost drumgath the game against glasdrumond by awarding a penalty for over carrying when the rules state that in such a situation a free kick is the correct decission. any comment please?

Overcarrying the ball in the small 'square' is indeed a penalty, it's like lifting the ball of the ground.

The same foul in the big 'square' is a 14m free.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 19, 2012, 01:20:48 AM
Any issues on the square ball rule, or no square ball rule tonight folks? When the ref at the glenn game was asked tonight before the game about it, he came up with the answer of i dont understand it or how to play it, so il just use the old rule..very interesting i thought
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on May 20, 2012, 06:56:57 PM
Was down at the An Riocht game on Friday evening in Annaclone and just have to say that the actions of the Annaclone supporters after the game were disgraceful, following Kieran Trainor down the line, shouting abuse.  And the actions of one of the was crazy, pushed Kieran then aimed a punch at him, thankfully a fella was able to push him outta the way, Its idiots like there that should be given  lifetime ban from the GAA. We all lose the rag at the ref during the game but then thats all part of the craic but after the match, absolutely uncalled for!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 20, 2012, 10:17:50 PM
I see Down beat Armagh tonight, 5-07 1-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Gael on May 20, 2012, 11:18:44 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on May 20, 2012, 06:56:57 PM
Was down at the An Riocht game on Friday evening in Annaclone and just have to say that the actions of the Annaclone supporters after the game were disgraceful, following Kieran Trainor down the line, shouting abuse.  And the actions of one of the was crazy, pushed Kieran then aimed a punch at him, thankfully a fella was able to push him outta the way, Its idiots like there that should be given  lifetime ban from the GAA. We all lose the rag at the ref during the game but then thats all part of the craic but after the match, absolutely uncalled for!!

I agree, no room in our game for those sort of scenes we dont want to go down the same road as those in Tyrone do regularly, What sort of a referee is Trainor? There s a couple of decent young lads doing underage games at the minute, at senior level who are the top officials in our county? Is there anyone in our county who referee's senior county championship games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 21, 2012, 11:28:13 AM
does anybody know are county players starred this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 21, 2012, 11:58:07 AM
Quote from: general on May 21, 2012, 11:28:13 AM
does anybody know are county players starred this weekend?

According to the original master fixture list they are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on May 21, 2012, 02:08:01 PM
Quote from: The Real Gael on May 20, 2012, 11:18:44 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on May 20, 2012, 06:56:57 PM
Was down at the An Riocht game on Friday evening in Annaclone and just have to say that the actions of the Annaclone supporters after the game were disgraceful, following Kieran Trainor down the line, shouting abuse.  And the actions of one of the was crazy, pushed Kieran then aimed a punch at him, thankfully a fella was able to push him outta the way, Its idiots like there that should be given  lifetime ban from the GAA. We all lose the rag at the ref during the game but then thats all part of the craic but after the match, absolutely uncalled for!!

I agree, no room in our game for those sort of scenes we dont want to go down the same road as those in Tyrone do regularly, What sort of a referee is Trainor? There s a couple of decent young lads doing underage games at the minute, at senior level who are the top officials in our county? Is there anyone in our county who referee's senior county championship games?

In my opinion hes not a bad referee, bad for both teams if you know what i mean but consistent enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 21, 2012, 04:13:57 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 21, 2012, 11:58:07 AM
Quote from: general on May 21, 2012, 11:28:13 AM
does anybody know are county players starred this weekend?

According to the original master fixture list they are.

do you think any players will be released?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 21, 2012, 11:51:59 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 21, 2012, 04:13:57 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 21, 2012, 11:58:07 AM
Quote from: general on May 21, 2012, 11:28:13 AM
does anybody know are county players starred this weekend?

According to the original master fixture list they are.

do you think any players will be released?



I hope not  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointlad on May 22, 2012, 12:00:30 AM
Quote from: The Real Gael on May 20, 2012, 11:18:44 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on May 20, 2012, 06:56:57 PM
Was down at the An Riocht game on Friday evening in Annaclone and just have to say that the actions of the Annaclone supporters after the game were disgraceful, following Kieran Trainor down the line, shouting abuse.  And the actions of one of the was crazy, pushed Kieran then aimed a punch at him, thankfully a fella was able to push him outta the way, Its idiots like there that should be given  lifetime ban from the GAA. We all lose the rag at the ref during the game but then thats all part of the craic but after the match, absolutely uncalled for!!

I agree, no room in our game for those sort of scenes we dont want to go down the same road as those in Tyrone do regularly, What sort of a referee is Trainor? There s a couple of decent young lads doing underage games at the minute, at senior level who are the top officials in our county? Is there anyone in our county who referee's senior county championship games?

As far as I know we don't have any at inter county championship level but C Reynolds and C Branagan are at National League level with Corrigan also involved nationally a.nd ulster level along with B Rice who I see is officiating this week in the Ulster Minor Championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 22, 2012, 12:52:50 PM
There has been some very interesting reading on the Derry and Tyrone sections of the GAA Board this past few days. The Tyrone posters have been posting about wanting to revert back to a four division system in their county as the three division product is not working. Derry posters are talking about the uneveness of their three division structure as well.

The issue in Tyrone seems to be the gulf in quality within divisions and the dis-proportionate amount of hammerings that have been meted out on a consistent basis.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again. Our county has had a very good four tier system in place. Every team is generally placed where their talents are suited. Reverting to a three division setup next year will be a disaster. Change for the sake of change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on May 22, 2012, 05:58:55 PM
Sean og has to be seen in someway doing something til earn his big wages
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on May 22, 2012, 06:56:44 PM
Well if Kieran Trainor thought he had it tough last friday night in a Division 2 game in Annaclone, I see in todays Irish News that he's penciled in to referee Kilcoo Vs Clonduff on Friday evening... :-\
But from what I heard from that game is that the Annaclone support were "abit" harsh and heavy on them.
The issue about changing the league formats....joke really. How are the top 6 in Division 2 going to cope with playing agaisnt the top 6 In Division 1? It will turn out to be meaningless matches, which in-turn will dramatically drop the attendance figures at league games thus further hurting the pockets of clubs. Any other views of it?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 22, 2012, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on May 22, 2012, 05:58:55 PM
Sean og has to be seen in someway doing something til earn his big wages

Sean Og doesn't bring proposals like this to the table - the clubs do. And it's the clubs that pass the frigging things. I doubt any administrator  in this world would bring the stress, confusion and madness of this upon themselves.

When this all happens next year, I'd happily wager that Kilcoo win 8 of their games by 12+ points. Bored clubs at the top end, unprepared for Championship ball, and demoralised teams at the bottom end, with players choosing to go to Oz and America just to get away from it. That's what's going to happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 23, 2012, 09:22:12 AM
Heard last night Niall Mc Parland broke his hand and will be out for 6 weeks another big blow as Niall has been very consistent through out the league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on May 23, 2012, 09:45:03 AM
Re 3 Divisions next year, Armagh reverted to this set up for this season and approaching the halfway stage all the leagues appear to be competitive, Crossmaglen even getting a ten point beating for good measure. Only real gulf in class seems to be in the third division with some of the weaker clubs and reserve teams struggling. I realise Down football is probably a different proposition but it doesnt seem to be the disaster that was predicted in Armagh...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on May 23, 2012, 11:20:48 AM
The league structures in Down at minute are top drawer, very competitive and dont need to be changed. Is there any way of reversing this decision? Are any players in favour of the new proposals??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 23, 2012, 04:53:47 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 21, 2012, 04:13:57 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 21, 2012, 11:58:07 AM
Quote from: general on May 21, 2012, 11:28:13 AM
does anybody know are county players starred this weekend?

According to the original master fixture list they are.

do you think any players will be released?

The following players are been released to play for their Clubs on Friday Night in the ACFL



Ciaran Brannigan Bryansford

Niall Branagan Kilcoo

Owen Costello Bredagh

Shane Harrison Glasdrumman

Michael McAllister Clann na Banna

Gerard McCartan Burren

Declan Rooney Burren

Marcus Miskelly Darragh Cross

Damian Turley Downpatrick

Peter Turley Downpatrick

Ben O Reilly Loughinisland

Gerard McAnulty Liatroim

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 23, 2012, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 22, 2012, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on May 22, 2012, 05:58:55 PM
Sean og has to be seen in someway doing something til earn his big wages

Sean Og doesn't bring proposals like this to the table - the clubs do. And it's the clubs that pass the frigging things. I doubt any administrator  in this world would bring the stress, confusion and madness of this upon themselves.

When this all happens next year, I'd happily wager that Kilcoo win 8 of their games by 12+ points. Bored clubs at the top end, unprepared for Championship ball, and demoralised teams at the bottom end, with players choosing to go to Oz and America just to get away from it. That's what's going to happen.

No disrespect to the RGU but they getting severe hidings this season and it is going to get worse. Six teams coming up next season will mean  a lot more one sided games  with poor attendances but apparently the clubs can gain money back through the championship and Kilcoo's Champions league proposals :) I was under the illusion that association football was banned in that area  ;)
I like the leagues at present and would like to see them kept !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 23, 2012, 11:08:13 PM
In Downgaa website's fixtures list

Senior Football Championships

Thursday 7th June
Pairc Esler
Mayobridge v Shamrocks 7.00pm
Liatriom v Saval 8.30pm

Friday 8th June 
Mayobridge
Rostrevor v Clonduff 7.00pm

Saturday 9th June
St Patrick Park Newcastle
Loughinisland v Castlewellan 5.00pm
Burren v Kilclief 6.30pm

Sunday 10th June
Castlewellan
Downpatrick v Bryansford 2.30pm

Pairc Esler
Kilcoo v An Riocht 5.30
Longstone v Ballyholland 7.00pm


Is there a back door system this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 23, 2012, 11:25:04 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 23, 2012, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 22, 2012, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on May 22, 2012, 05:58:55 PM
Sean og has to be seen in someway doing something til earn his big wages

Sean Og doesn't bring proposals like this to the table - the clubs do. And it's the clubs that pass the frigging things. I doubt any administrator  in this world would bring the stress, confusion and madness of this upon themselves.

When this all happens next year, I'd happily wager that Kilcoo win 8 of their games by 12+ points. Bored clubs at the top end, unprepared for Championship ball, and demoralised teams at the bottom end, with players choosing to go to Oz and America just to get away from it. That's what's going to happen.

No disrespect to the RGU but they getting severe hidings this season and it is going to get worse. Six teams coming up next season will mean  a lot more one sided games  with poor attendances but apparently the clubs can gain money back through the championship and Kilcoo's Champions league proposals :) I was under the illusion that association football was banned in that area  ;)
I like the leagues at present and would like to see them kept !!
So do I. Next year will be a joke, the standard in division 1 at present is mediocre without adding 6 lesser teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on May 23, 2012, 11:47:42 PM
yep but can anyone explain why the leagues are being changed and who made the purposal to do it? (dont say money reason because thats crap)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 23, 2012, 11:57:48 PM
Quote from: umpire on May 23, 2012, 11:08:13 PM
In Downgaa website's fixtures list

Senior Football Championships

Thursday 7th June
Pairc Esler
Mayobridge v Shamrocks 7.00pm
Liatriom v Saval 8.30pm

Friday 8th June 
Mayobridge
Rostrevor v Clonduff 7.00pm

Saturday 9th June
St Patrick Park Newcastle
Loughinisland v Castlewellan 5.00pm
Burren v Kilclief 6.30pm

Sunday 10th June
Castlewellan
Downpatrick v Bryansford 2.30pm

Pairc Esler
Kilcoo v An Riocht 5.30
Longstone v Ballyholland 7.00pm


Is there a back door system this year?

Yes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA_Talk on May 24, 2012, 07:58:13 AM
Quote from: umpire on May 23, 2012, 11:08:13 PM
In Downgaa website's fixtures list

Senior Football Championships

Thursday 7th June
Pairc Esler
Mayobridge v Shamrocks 7.00pm
Liatriom v Saval 8.30pm

Friday 8th June 
Mayobridge
Rostrevor v Clonduff 7.00pm

Saturday 9th June
St Patrick Park Newcastle
Loughinisland v Castlewellan 5.00pm
Burren v Kilclief 6.30pm

Sunday 10th June
Castlewellan
Downpatrick v Bryansford 2.30pm

Pairc Esler
Kilcoo v An Riocht 5.30
Longstone v Ballyholland 7.00pm


Is there a back door system this year?

Surely these teams will organise to get this game a couple of hours early ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 24, 2012, 10:41:10 AM
I think a sub group was formed to look at our League and Championship structures. This was in response to a couple of suggestions that clubs had put forward for altering our system.

The sub group then presented their proposals and then the clubs voted in favour of these at county board level. It was the clubs that passed these through.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on May 24, 2012, 02:02:31 PM
Any Liatoim fellas on here that could possibly name me a team for tomorrow nights program?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 24, 2012, 09:25:54 PM
Ballyholland 1.5 Mayobridge 2.12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 25, 2012, 09:31:16 PM
kilcoo beat clonduff 1-10 to 11pts. castlewellan beat b'ford. burren beat d'patrick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 25, 2012, 10:17:06 PM
This board use to be very good for brief match reports etc on club games on a friday evening, nothing now  :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 25, 2012, 10:56:53 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 25, 2012, 10:17:06 PM
This board use to be very good for brief match reports etc on club games on a friday evening, nothing now  :(
Not much to report in Kilcoo v Clonduff game as it was a scrappy game dominated by packed defences.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on May 25, 2012, 11:23:16 PM
Ventured down to the local derby game of Kilcoo and Clonduff.
Wasn't a bad game although some of the referring decisions were something to be desired for both sides.
Both teams were missing key players Kilcoo (Choc Brannigan, Laverty, Donal Kane, F McGreevy and Anthony Devlin) Clonduff (Aidan Carr, Arthur McC, Jason Brown, John Fegan, Darren O'Hagan). First half took a while to get going with both sides conceeding frees due to poor talking from both defenses. A couple of good moves from Kilcoo brought points towards the end of the half which were the highlight. Clonduff finished the half with another couple of frees to leave it Kilcoo 0-5 Clonduff 0-6 with 5 of the yellas scores coming from frees.
Second half was a better affair with good clean catching in the middle and a few big derby hits going in aswell. Tight affair throughout where the key moment of the game came when Jerome Johnston pulled led down half way through 2nd half, after a great save from the yellas keeper. Paul Devlin cooley dispatched the penalty.
Clonduff kept the pressure on with a few frees and a couple of quality scores from Conor Og O'Hagan and Finbarr McConville. Magpies replied with frees from Darragh O'Hanlon and the introduction of Donal Kane also made a big difference.

Final minutes were tense where the yellas couldn't get through for a goal opportunity, but the
magpies held out for a 1-10 to 0-11 win to leave them unbeaten this year.
Best for magpies were D O'Hanlon and J McClean. Best for yellas were C O'Hagan and John McPolin.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on May 26, 2012, 09:09:41 AM
Daisycutter/ MDG - what did you make of the two big decisions in this game. I didnt get a good view of the penalty incident, but the "throw ball" at the end was a bad call??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on May 26, 2012, 12:15:39 PM
I didn't get a good enough look at the penalty incident due to the sunshine but the throw ball incident was strange to say the least. What I found with the Ref was that when he gave a handy enough free to the magpies, he tried his best to even it up on the next phase of play for the yellas. Weird.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 26, 2012, 09:32:03 PM
Could someone tell me when we changed our county colours?  I've been watching a few interviews on the Destination Newry website from the open night a few weeks back and all I see are Down players wearing green and black  :o what is that all about?  As far as I know, our colours are red and black and there ain't no green anywhere in the scheme of things.  I believe the Minors have an even worse colour of training gear and it's not predominantly red either.

This must be another 'Down Way' of doing things.  Never show your true colours  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 26, 2012, 09:57:50 PM
Div 1 result Saval 1-13 Longstone 1-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 27, 2012, 09:09:37 PM
Dundrum won the Down Junior Feis 7's today in Castlewellan. Beat Saul 2-09 to 0-09 in the Final. Had already beat the champions of the past two years St John's in the Semi Final. Entry now to the All Ireland Junior in St Judes during All Ireland weekend.

Castlewellan beat An Riocht in the Senior Final while Rostrevor beat Loughinisland by a point in the Minor Final which had two periods of extra time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on May 27, 2012, 11:29:02 PM
Who won the Senior Sevens?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 28, 2012, 10:03:06 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 27, 2012, 09:09:37 PM
Castlewellan beat An Riocht in the Senior Final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on May 28, 2012, 09:34:44 PM
Glenn beat Ardglass tonight in division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 29, 2012, 09:03:47 AM
has anyone had Patrick McDaid Refereeing any matches recently? i have NEVER seen a referee disliking a team so much as he did Glenn last night. Glenn won last night, it was however against 16 players, the ref being the 16th, absolutley unbelievable what i was seeing last night, everything went for Ardglass...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Gael on May 29, 2012, 10:28:59 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on May 26, 2012, 09:32:03 PM
Could someone tell me when we changed our county colours?  I've been watching a few interviews on the Destination Newry website from the open night a few weeks back and all I see are Down players wearing green and black  :o what is that all about?  As far as I know, our colours are red and black and there ain't no green anywhere in the scheme of things.  I believe the Minors have an even worse colour of training gear and it's not predominantly red either.

This must be another 'Down Way' of doing things.  Never show your true colours  ???

Cheapest available  8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 29, 2012, 04:48:00 PM
I Believe Aiden Burns of Castlewellan has been called up to the Down squad for the Championship.  A bit of height on the edge of the Square???
Can anyone confirm this??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on May 29, 2012, 07:04:52 PM
Yes this has been confirmed. He scored 6 points in full forward in an in house training game at the weekend. Not sure who was marking him though? I think he was around the panel when Ross and DJ were the gaffers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 29, 2012, 10:42:53 PM
Burns was involved in Ross time and did well in the early stages but that was it faded out of the picture . A good accurate left footed free taker if memory serves me right. We might be better served with a small nippy full forward like Laverty as it will take an awful good player to beat Barry Owens in the air he is a top full back and would be fit for most big men
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Classof87 on May 30, 2012, 12:09:57 AM
I'M A FREAQUENT VISITOR TO THIS PAGE WHO HAS NEVER POSTED ON THE SITE BUT JUST SO HAPPENS  I WAS UP AT THE FEIS IN CASTLEWELLEN ON SUNDAY PAST. I WAS TALKING TO A OLD FRIEND WHO WAS TELLING ME THAT AIDEN BURNS TRAINED WITH THE COUNTY TEAM ON THURSDAY NIGHT, APPARENTLY HE MADE QUITE AN IMPRESSION KICKING 5 POINTS AND GAVE BENNY MACARDLE A ROASTING. HE WAS TELLING ME THAT AIDAN HIMSELF TOLD HIM THAT HE HAD NOT HEARD FROM THE COUNTY MANAGEMENT SINCE REGUARDING COMING IN TO THE PANEL. SO AS OFF SUNDAY AFTERNOON IVE BEEN TOLD  HE WASNT ON THE PANEL. I THINK HE PLAYED FOR THE TOWN ON FRIDAY NIGHT IN THE LEAGUE, BUT HE WASNT ON THE CASTLEWELLEN 7S TEAM, I GO TO KILMACUD 7S EVERY YEAR AND BURNS IS ALWAYS ON THE 7S PANEL, HE IS A VERY GOOD 7S FOOTBALLER, ONLY REASON I CAN THINK OFF WHY HE DIDNT PLAY 7S IS INJURY OR UNAVAILABILITY DUE TO THE COUNTY TEAM

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF HE TRAINED WITH HIM TONIGHT?

I WOULD THINK HE WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION COULD PROVIDE THE MANAGEMENT DIFFERENT OPTIONS UP FRONT WITH COULTER MISSING
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on May 30, 2012, 01:19:42 PM
Quote from: Classof87 on May 30, 2012, 12:09:57 AM
I'M A FREAQUENT VISITOR TO THIS PAGE WHO HAS NEVER POSTED ON THE SITE BUT JUST SO HAPPENS  I WAS UP AT THE FEIS IN CASTLEWELLEN ON SUNDAY PAST. I WAS TALKING TO A OLD FRIEND WHO WAS TELLING ME THAT AIDEN BURNS TRAINED WITH THE COUNTY TEAM ON THURSDAY NIGHT, APPARENTLY HE MADE QUITE AN IMPRESSION KICKING 5 POINTS AND GAVE BENNY MACARDLE A ROASTING. HE WAS TELLING ME THAT AIDAN HIMSELF TOLD HIM THAT HE HAD NOT HEARD FROM THE COUNTY MANAGEMENT SINCE REGUARDING COMING IN TO THE PANEL. SO AS OFF SUNDAY AFTERNOON IVE BEEN TOLD  HE WASNT ON THE PANEL. I THINK HE PLAYED FOR THE TOWN ON FRIDAY NIGHT IN THE LEAGUE, BUT HE WASNT ON THE CASTLEWELLEN 7S TEAM, I GO TO KILMACUD 7S EVERY YEAR AND BURNS IS ALWAYS ON THE 7S PANEL, HE IS A VERY GOOD 7S FOOTBALLER, ONLY REASON I CAN THINK OFF WHY HE DIDNT PLAY 7S IS INJURY OR UNAVAILABILITY DUE TO THE COUNTY TEAM

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF HE TRAINED WITH HIM TONIGHT?

I WOULD THINK HE WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION COULD PROVIDE THE MANAGEMENT DIFFERENT OPTIONS UP FRONT WITH COULTER MISSING

alright Aiden  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on May 30, 2012, 01:21:24 PM
No bites Aidy!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 30, 2012, 09:00:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 27, 2012, 09:09:37 PM
Dundrum won the Down Junior Feis 7's today in Castlewellan. Beat Saul 2-09 to 0-09 in the Final. Had already beat the champions of the past two years St John's in the Semi Final. Entry now to the All Ireland Junior in St Judes during All Ireland weekend.

Castlewellan beat An Riocht in the Senior Final while Rostrevor beat Loughinisland by a point in the Minor Final which had two periods of extra time.

did you win without PMcC?

yous must start as favorites on Friday then, we are missing 3 county players at least due to the wee ballers playing in London at the weekend. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on May 30, 2012, 10:23:36 PM
alright squareball stop making excuses for yourselves before a ball is even kicked most other clubs in the county play week in week out without their county players and don't hear them making excuses yous are in div 4 for a reason and thats it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Forgot me Boots on May 30, 2012, 11:09:34 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on May 30, 2012, 10:23:36 PM
alright squareball stop making excuses for yourselves before a ball is even kicked most other clubs in the county play week in week out without their county players and don't hear them making excuses yous are in div 4 for a reason and thats it!

in the name of god, are you for real? there is a sport and its called fishing, i think square ball has caught a cracker there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 30, 2012, 11:35:32 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 30, 2012, 09:00:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 27, 2012, 09:09:37 PM
Dundrum won the Down Junior Feis 7's today in Castlewellan. Beat Saul 2-09 to 0-09 in the Final. Had already beat the champions of the past two years St John's in the Semi Final. Entry now to the All Ireland Junior in St Judes during All Ireland weekend.

Castlewellan beat An Riocht in the Senior Final while Rostrevor beat Loughinisland by a point in the Minor Final which had two periods of extra time.

did you win without PMcC?

yous must start as favorites on Friday then, we are missing 3 county players at least due to the wee ballers playing in London at the weekend.

By God I do love a bit of amateur codology  ;)

Last two meetings between Dundrum and Bredagh, we have failed to beat you on both occasions.

2010: Dundrum 1-08  Bredagh 0-11
2010: Bredagh 0-09  Dundrum 1-05

Also, you have a game in hand on us yet your score difference is +148 to ours which is only +109. Your scores for reads +198. Ours is inferior at +187. Our scores against are -78 while yours are significantly less at -50.

But here if we are favourites then so be it  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 30, 2012, 11:52:24 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 30, 2012, 09:00:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on May 27, 2012, 09:09:37 PM
Dundrum won the Down Junior Feis 7's today in Castlewellan. Beat Saul 2-09 to 0-09 in the Final. Had already beat the champions of the past two years St John's in the Semi Final. Entry now to the All Ireland Junior in St Judes during All Ireland weekend.

Castlewellan beat An Riocht in the Senior Final while Rostrevor beat Loughinisland by a point in the Minor Final which had two periods of extra time.

did you win without PMcC?

yous must start as favorites on Friday then, we are missing 3 county players at least due to the wee ballers playing in London at the weekend.

Yeah I seen Paddy Power quoted that as well  :)

Be fair most our boys don't have the internet never mind be on this site so the "mind games" will be falling on deaf ears.

Anyway we'll focus on ourselves. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on May 31, 2012, 12:04:38 AM
With no Div1 or 2 games his weekend its Div that takes top bill.  Looking at the table a few interesting games schuduled too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 31, 2012, 10:21:40 AM
no pulling the wool over you boys in dundrum, but theres always one, hook line and sinker
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on May 31, 2012, 10:53:00 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 31, 2012, 10:21:40 AM
no pulling the wool over you boys in dundrum, but theres always one, hook line and sinker
when you say hook line and sinker would you be refering to your own club sinker right down to the lowest division
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on May 31, 2012, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on May 31, 2012, 10:53:00 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 31, 2012, 10:21:40 AM
no pulling the wool over you boys in dundrum, but theres always one, hook line and sinker
when you say hook line and sinker would you be refering to your own club sinker right down to the lowest division

To be fair with that criteria he could be making reference to 10 other teams in our county. Somebody has to occupy the lowest divisions and unfortunately that includes ourselves and Bredagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 31, 2012, 02:10:09 PM
Team    Pld    Won    Draw    Lost    For    Against    Diff    Points
Dundrum    9    9    0    0    187    78    109    18
Bredagh    8    8    0    0    198    50    148    16
Bright    9    7    0    2    96    112    -16    14
Mitchels    7    6    0    1    145    88    57    12
St Michael's    9    4    0    5    120    138    -18    8
Teconnaught    9    4    0    5    112    130    -18    8
Dromara    9    4    0    5    110    140    -30    8
Aghaderg    9    2    1    6    103    123    -20    5
Aughlisnafin    10    2    1    7    119    155    -36    5
St Paul's    9    1    0    8    98    167    -69    2
Ballykinlar    8    0    0    8    65    172    -107    0
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 31, 2012, 04:33:47 PM
Mitchels still have 2 games in hand from 1st half of season (1 against Bredagh).

DIV 3

Team    Pld    Won    Draw    Lost    For    Against    Diff    Points
Glasdrumman    9    8    1    0    156    102    54    17
Saul    10    7    1    2    154    109    45    15
St John Bosco    9    7    0    2    136    96    40    14
Ballymartin    10    6    1    3    146    109    37    13
Tullylish    10    6    1    3    165    132    33    13
Drumgath    10    6    1    3    159    142    17    13
Glenn    8    4    1    3    119    105    14    9
St John's    10    4    1    5    120    134    -14    9
Ardglass    10    2    1    7    117    188    -71    5
Atticall    10    2    0    8    98    130    -32    4
Darragh Cross    10    2    0    8    94    137    -43    4
St Colman's Drumaness    10    0    0    10    99    179    -80    0

promoted Saul doing well.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 31, 2012, 07:01:25 PM
totally ignoring Mourne mans comments.

looking forward to the game tomorrow night, always been close games between us and i doubt if tomorrow will be any different
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 31, 2012, 10:49:20 PM
From Official Down GAA
James names his side to face Fermanagh and has named one debutant from the Clonduff Club Arthur Mc Conville in the full forward position and Darren O' Hagan on his third
appearance in the championship gets the corner back position .

1 Brendan McVeigh
2 Daniel McCartan
3 Brendan McArdle
4 Darren O'Hagan
5 Aiden Branagan
6 Kevin McKernan
7 Conor Garvey
8 Ambrose Rogers
9 Kalum King
10 Daniel Hughes
11 Mark Poland
12 Aidan Carr
13 Conor Laverty
14 Arthur McConville
15 Conor Maginn

Weakest Down Championship team in years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 31, 2012, 10:58:15 PM
Doesn't exactly inspire confidence. 

Don't know about our weakest in years though, over the last 15 years or so we haven't exactly been blessed!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 31, 2012, 11:00:31 PM
Good to see o Hagan in the team would expect him to pick up Mc Cabe? Nothing really unexpected in the selection considering the injuries and the likes of Doyle only coming back to fitness.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 01, 2012, 12:42:43 AM
Quote from: No1 on May 31, 2012, 10:58:15 PM
Doesn't exactly inspire confidence. 

Don't know about our weakest in years though, over the last 15 years or so we haven't exactly been blessed!
Gimme a ring on Sunday when you get to Enniskillen and we'll get a pint...the last occasion wasn't the most appropriate one for a session.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 01, 2012, 07:30:48 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 31, 2012, 10:49:20 PM
From Official Down GAA
James names his side to face Fermanagh and has named one debutant from the Clonduff Club Arthur Mc Conville in the full forward position and Darren O' Hagan on his third
appearance in the championship gets the corner back position .

1 Brendan McVeigh
2 Daniel McCartan
3 Brendan McArdle
4 Darren O'Hagan
5 Aiden Branagan
6 Kevin McKernan
7 Conor Garvey
8 Ambrose Rogers
9 Kalum King
10 Daniel Hughes
11 Mark Poland
12 Aidan Carr
13 Conor Laverty
14 Arthur McConville
15 Conor Maginn

Weakest Down Championship team in years.

what about the rest of the squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 01, 2012, 01:55:48 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 01, 2012, 07:30:48 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 31, 2012, 10:49:20 PM
From Official Down GAA
James names his side to face Fermanagh and has named one debutant from the Clonduff Club Arthur Mc Conville in the full forward position and Darren O' Hagan on his third
appearance in the championship gets the corner back position .

1 Brendan McVeigh
2 Daniel McCartan
3 Brendan McArdle
4 Darren O'Hagan
5 Aiden Branagan
6 Kevin McKernan
7 Conor Garvey
8 Ambrose Rogers
9 Kalum King
10 Daniel Hughes
11 Mark Poland
12 Aidan Carr
13 Conor Laverty
14 Arthur McConville
15 Conor Maginn

Weakest Down Championship team in years.

what about the rest of the squad?

You can start with 15 Square Ball  :) Seriously I think that information will get emailed to the secretaries. Going to be a tough game but think Down's exposure to and being competitive with the elite over the last two years will stick by them. Though championship is exactly what it is, so will be an intriguing game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 01, 2012, 09:29:48 PM
Dundrum beat Bredagh by the closest of margins in Cherryvale tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 01, 2012, 09:47:45 PM
SQ you must be kicking yourselves. Firstly, timing wise it couldn't have gone any worse with Costello and the Down hurlers unavailable. Secondly, to have so much possession was bound to be frustrating. Saying that we could have had at least another two goals but you were right in prediciton that is was going to be a tight game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 01, 2012, 09:54:45 PM
Division 4
Bredagh 2-08  Dundrum 2-09

Poor game. Bredagh up against it from the start due to the amount of influential players that they were missing. Dundrum were five up at a stage early in the 2nd half. Bredagh came back well. The Belfast men will also rue the amount of wides they had in the 1st half. Saying that Dundrum could of easily had three or four further goals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on June 01, 2012, 10:10:25 PM
Best game of the evening was in Burren between themselves and Kilcoo in the Div 1 ACPRFL. Burren won by 4 points where the scoreline was 3-6 to 2-5 in a very entertaining and physical game. Surely the quality of the top 4 teams in this division would easily cope with Division 2 football from what I've seen of both leagues this year. Great open football from both sides with excellent score taking. Frank Dawson and Jim McCorry managing both sides respectively. Great advert for Down football, where no defensive systems were in place. Pity Div 1 games wernt played like this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 01, 2012, 10:32:16 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on June 01, 2012, 10:10:25 PM
Best game of the evening was in Burren between themselves and Kilcoo in the Div 1 ACPRFL. Burren won by 4 points where the scoreline was 3-6 to 2-5 in a very entertaining and physical game. Surely the quality of the top 4 teams in this division would easily cope with Division 2 football from what I've seen of both leagues this year. Great open football from both sides with excellent score taking. Frank Dawson and Jim McCorry managing both sides respectively. Great advert for Down football, where no defensive systems were in place. Pity Div 1 games wernt played like this.

The problem with your argument is that on a Friday night the top 20 lads would be with the seniors, so instead of a top 13 ( which in some cases is inaccurate) you have a top 20, very different story and for that reason I don't think your right on this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 01, 2012, 10:39:36 PM
O'Neills ACFL Div 3

01.06.12 (Fri)


Glenn 0-12 V 0-13 Tullylish

Ballymartin 1-11 V 0-13 St John Bosco

St John's 1-10 V 2-12 Saul

Atticall 0-6 V 2-12 Glasdrumman


O'Neills ACFL Div 4

01.06.12 (Fri)


Teconnaught 1-10 V 0-8 Dromara

Bredagh 2-8 V 2-9 Dundrum

Ballykinlar 3-9 V 1-11 St Paul's


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 01, 2012, 11:23:40 PM

Gimme a ring on Sunday when you get to Enniskillen and we'll get a pint...the last occasion wasn't the most appropriate one for a session.
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Will do, you must have escaped the driving duties for a change! Fingers crossed we get a better result than the last time I saw you down there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 02, 2012, 12:58:40 AM
Quote from: No1 on June 01, 2012, 11:23:40 PM

Gimme a ring on Sunday when you get to Enniskillen and we'll get a pint...the last occasion wasn't the most appropriate one for a session.

Will do, you must have escaped the driving duties for a change! Fingers crossed we get a better result than the last time I saw you down there.
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Hope so...think the chairman's drivin...let me know where yiz are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 02, 2012, 01:58:41 AM
its difficult to say what happened , but yeah Dundrum hit the bar/post more then we did, we had 5 wides in a row at the start of the second half, yous had one shot and scored, a lot more clinical with your shooting. a great score from the sideline with a few minutes to go seemed to be the decider.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Gael on June 02, 2012, 02:51:34 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on June 01, 2012, 10:10:25 PM
Best game of the evening was in Burren between themselves and Kilcoo in the Div 1 ACPRFL. Burren won by 4 points where the scoreline was 3-6 to 2-5 in a very entertaining and physical game. Surely the quality of the top 4 teams in this division would easily cope with Division 2 football from what I've seen of both leagues this year. Great open football from both sides with excellent score taking. Frank Dawson and Jim McCorry managing both sides respectively. Great advert for Down football, where no defensive systems were in place. Pity Div 1 games wernt played like this.

9 scores to 7....... Yeah what a game  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on June 02, 2012, 04:47:12 PM
Very fair point dundrumite. But I was just saying that this league does not get the exposure it deserved at times (possibly due to a no advertisement by the County Board or on write ups in the local press) as it is often very competitive league when I see games in it. They are often on a Midday Sunday but as there were no games in Div 1 & 2 last night, I decided to attend this one and it was a very good game, without even having to pay in aswell. As for the Real Gael, I'm glad to know that you can count.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 02, 2012, 07:54:47 PM
Interesting discussion here on Dundrum and not a mention of Paul Mc Cumiskey once.  I hear he is doing rightly for Dundrum at the minute but isn't setting the world alight.  To be honest, I can't see him getting back on the county squad and he was really only a bit player like Rony Murtagh for Down.  Both were all buff and blow with no real end product - County forwards need to score and both never were profilic enough to be consistent starters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 02, 2012, 08:34:08 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 02, 2012, 07:54:47 PM
Interesting discussion here on Dundrum and not a mention of Paul Mc Cumiskey once.  I hear he is doing rightly for Dundrum at the minute but isn't setting the world alight.  To be honest, I can't see him getting back on the county squad and he was really only a bit player like Rony Murtagh for Down.  Both were all buff and blow with no real end product - County forwards need to score and both never were profilic enough to be consistent starters.

Three all Ireland finals 1-10 total.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 02, 2012, 08:48:10 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 02, 2012, 07:54:47 PM
Interesting discussion here on Dundrum and not a mention of Paul Mc Cumiskey once.  I hear he is doing rightly for Dundrum at the minute but isn't setting the world alight.  To be honest, I can't see him getting back on the county squad and he was really only a bit player like Rony Murtagh for Down.  Both were all buff and blow with no real end product - County forwards need to score and both never were profilic enough to be consistent starters.

Good man yourself Line Ball....Buff and Blow...what does that mean??

A "bit player" for 12 years.

BTW check this out...

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2010/0723/268450-sligo_down/

and if you want I'll dig out Murtagh's scoring stats...you dont watch much football obviously.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 02, 2012, 09:07:17 PM
We haven't 6 better forwards than Ronan and Paul lining out tomorrow. They would have been 2 very useful talents to have. While Paul choose to sit it out, Ronan has got a raw deal from the current management. Their commitment and performances for Down shouldn't be questioned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Gael on June 02, 2012, 11:15:36 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 02, 2012, 08:48:10 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 02, 2012, 07:54:47 PM
Interesting discussion here on Dundrum and not a mention of Paul Mc Cumiskey once.  I hear he is doing rightly for Dundrum at the minute but isn't setting the world alight.  To be honest, I can't see him getting back on the county squad and he was really only a bit player like Rony Murtagh for Down.  Both were all buff and blow with no real end product - County forwards need to score and both never were profilic enough to be consistent starters.

Good man yourself Line Ball....Buff and Blow...what does that mean??

A "bit player" for 12 years.

BTW check this out...

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2010/0723/268450-sligo_down/

and if you want I'll dig out Murtagh's scoring stats...you dont watch much football obviously.

And line ball is right... Murtagh was a bit part player

"Second-half substitute Ronan Murtagh"

FFS me or you 5 Sams would have scored against Sligo that night and I am long since retired!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on June 02, 2012, 11:48:16 PM
Jesus were abit harsh on Paul and Ronan here the night lads. I definitely believe that Paul and Ronan would add alot to our panel, even if it's from the bench. Why does everyone rate a forward by how much they score per game? I rate a forward by how many assists they get in a game and not by what there score tally is. Just look at Conor Laverty for example.... Dosnt score alot but causes havoc in teams defences and also works back to clear balls of the line (vs Clare to keep us in the championship).

Paul and Ronan have these characteristics aswell by setting up alot of scoring opportunities and if were treated right by our management, they would both be on the bus tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 03, 2012, 02:11:15 AM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on June 01, 2012, 10:10:25 PM
Best game of the evening was in Burren between themselves and Kilcoo in the Div 1 ACPRFL. Burren won by 4 points where the scoreline was 3-6 to 2-5 in a very entertaining and physical game. Surely the quality of the top 4 teams in this division would easily cope with Division 2 football from what I've seen of both leagues this year. Great open football from both sides with excellent score taking. Frank Dawson and Jim McCorry managing both sides respectively. Great advert for Down football, where no defensive systems were in place. Pity Div 1 games wernt played like this.

R u serious? If any PR teams were in div 2, they would be playing on a Friday night the same as div 1 which would take away from the depth of talent the reserved could call on. Don't forget a senior outfit would need 20+ players for their squad on the same night so the reserves would be severely weakened. In any case they would find it quite and difficult to finish the top half of div 2!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 03, 2012, 10:11:38 AM
It is easy to sit behind a screen and slag fellas who have gave so much to Down football. Ronan Murtagh was an excellent servant for Down and I would have him as the most consistent player in Down football over the last ten years after Benny. McComiskey made an excellent corner forward and had a brilliant all-Ireland final who should not have been substituted!
On the subject of premier reserve football, there are times when games can be like senior football but the real guage at this level is premier reserve championship. If clubs were allowed to enter second teams in the county leaguues I would say that four or five division one sides would have seconds team playing  division three football.
Good luck to all involved today!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on June 03, 2012, 12:18:04 PM
+1 T O Hare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 03, 2012, 09:20:52 PM
Very average, did what they had to do and all that is what will be said.

Mcveigh didn't have much to do but was very brave when he had to be.  Full back line were good, Garvey and mcardle especially, McCartan did rightly as mostly the spare man.

O hagan was most impressive of half backs, bags of energy, bags of guts and plenty of talent. Brannigan could have a ban on the way.

Midfield were in and out although the move to put king inside confused me as they started losing out in the middle when he went in and he suited Owens down to the ground whereas Donal ohare was giving him plenty of trouble.

Half forward line were poor including maginn. Could have taken all 4 off, big improvements required there.

When they got the ball into laverty and ohare early they gave Fermanagh a lot of trouble but most of our lads out the field (mckernan, Hughes, Poland, maginn, Carr, brannigan) are far too keen on owning the ball.

Overall a lot of improvements required for Monaghan but its a game we could ans should win.

Another thing to annoy me, Arthur mcconville doing the parade and then coming off, no need for it and I hope the county board get fined heavily for it. How does it make arthur feel, a bit humiliating and a bit disheartening. U wouldn't see Brian cody or mickey Harte at that nonsense. Who were they trying to kid anyway??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 03, 2012, 09:39:25 PM
Strange alright, I've heard of late changes to line-ups but surely thats takin the piss, the latest change ever! And then when he started subbing players on, ye would have thought Arthur would have been one of the first men to come on in the forward line. Also thought it was strange to have kept Maginn on the whole game, he just looked a bit tired late on and took a couple of heavy hits.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on June 03, 2012, 10:44:04 PM
Pretty sure that Arthur and Laverty switched pre-throw in and also 100% sure that Arthur would have been aware of this all along!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 03, 2012, 10:48:10 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on June 03, 2012, 10:44:04 PM
Pretty sure that Arthur and Laverty switched pre-throw in and also 100% sure that Arthur would have been aware of this all along!

Why would they change when both were meant to start?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 03, 2012, 10:53:19 PM
It was ohare and mcconville who switched and it was after the parade just before the throw in.

Why do it? What's the point? Why can't we just name the team that's gonna start and stop the f**king about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 03, 2012, 10:59:40 PM
Kickouts from Mc Veigh were better placed than normal.  Maybe the pressure knowing that James will change him with Harrison if he messes up.
Mc Ardle was as good as I have seen him, strong on the ball and used it well.  Darren O'Hagan had a very good game, full of energy and always there for the man in possession Dan hadn't a lot to do and sweeping suited him well.
Garvey was tight and strong throughout.  Mc Kernan was his usual self, not content with the simple pass and looking to do his own thing but still did well.  Choc never stopped running, covered some ground and should have had a goal in the first half.
Midfield was efficient but less than spectacular – I suppose the way it has to be.
Our half forward line was disappointing.  Carr ponderous and missed some easy frees.  Hughes played very defensively and never a threat going forward.  Poland was effective without being spectacular but quiet all the same.
Maginn wasn't great and didn't contribute a lot.  O'Hare was very dangerous throughout, always showing for the ball, busy and a real handful - stand out player in the championship last year.  Laverty, my MOM.  Such energy. He never stopped running, tackling, showing, tracking, scoring – what more could you want from a player.  And at 3' 2" and 6st, he is some target man!

We've a long way to go but at least we have gotten over this banana skin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 04, 2012, 12:05:32 AM
Lots to work on, poor shooting, a couple of silly defensive errors, but overall a fairly composed performance giving the low intensity of the opposition. Work rate good throughout the team, particularly the FF line where Lavery was magnificent, MOTM by a country mile. HF line disappointing but it was that sort of game, where there was little room to be creative. A good beginning but we all know sterner tests await, and we never going to get any plaudits for beating Fermanagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on June 04, 2012, 12:15:38 AM
McVeigh - solid and brave, getting to grips with the need to pinpoint kickouts
McCartan - what you get from Dan you got _ Fermanagh was not going to test him
McArdle - MOM in my opinion - has nailed down a starting place
O'Hagan - class act - has to stay
Brannigan - got away with that oul Kilcoo thing but he does cover some ground
McKernan - "I'm a celebrity get me out of here" - does nothing for the defensive side of the game.
Garvey - Mayobridge gold - any time any where, the real deal.
King - fits and starts but some great moments
Rodgers - getting back to his imperios best
Hughes - his worst ever game in a Down jersey - glad that's out of the way
Poland - mmmmm - ok - just
Carr - just cannot put in a tackle so do you keep him in just for free-taking????
Laverty - yes a pain in the ass for a defender and a big contributor today, but..look do up lad
O'Hare - impressive debut, no more than I would expect, this is the new "Wee James"
Maginn - nightmare game from a player I rate highly

Coulter, Gordon, Rooney, Doyle  - all have to be confident taht if we progress further they will make this team.
Won by 5 points so don't be churlish - except that we should have won by 15.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 04, 2012, 12:19:57 AM
Quote from: The Real Gael on June 02, 2012, 11:15:36 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 02, 2012, 08:48:10 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 02, 2012, 07:54:47 PM
Interesting discussion here on Dundrum and not a mention of Paul Mc Cumiskey once.  I hear he is doing rightly for Dundrum at the minute but isn't setting the world alight.  To be honest, I can't see him getting back on the county squad and he was really only a bit player like Rony Murtagh for Down.  Both were all buff and blow with no real end product - County forwards need to score and both never were profilic enough to be consistent starters.

Good man yourself Line Ball....Buff and Blow...what does that mean??

A "bit player" for 12 years.

BTW check this out...

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2010/0723/268450-sligo_down/

and if you want I'll dig out Murtagh's scoring stats...you dont watch much football obviously.

And line ball is right... Murtagh was a bit part player

"Second-half substitute Ronan Murtagh"

FFS me or you 5 Sams would have scored against Sligo that night and I am long since retired!!



FFS, whats the big problem?  Did I insult either Paul or Rony, question their parentage or make derogatory statements about either of them, NO?  I just said they weren't that great in their time for Down, in my opinion. 

5 Sams, if you are saying that Murtagh's best example of his scoring exploits in 12 years playing for Down was coming on against that powerhouse of Gaelic Football, namely Sligo, and scoring a few points then fair play to him.  I didn't realise he was that good.  Buff and blow, I'm sure you see it every week for Ballyholland.  Beat a man, come back and beat him again, sorry did I beat you already, well then I'll give it a go once again.  This may be fine at club level but invariably I found him the most frustrating player I have seen in a long time.  All buff and blow but little end product!

He may be a mate of yours but take of your 'Murtagh Coloured Glasses.'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 04, 2012, 12:19:39 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 04, 2012, 12:19:57 AM
Quote from: The Real Gael on June 02, 2012, 11:15:36 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 02, 2012, 08:48:10 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 02, 2012, 07:54:47 PM
Interesting discussion here on Dundrum and not a mention of Paul Mc Cumiskey once.  I hear he is doing rightly for Dundrum at the minute but isn't setting the world alight.  To be honest, I can't see him getting back on the county squad and he was really only a bit player like Rony Murtagh for Down.  Both were all buff and blow with no real end product - County forwards need to score and both never were profilic enough to be consistent starters.

Good man yourself Line Ball....Buff and Blow...what does that mean??

A "bit player" for 12 years.

BTW check this out...

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2010/0723/268450-sligo_down/

and if you want I'll dig out Murtagh's scoring stats...you dont watch much football obviously.

And line ball is right... Murtagh was a bit part player

"Second-half substitute Ronan Murtagh"

FFS me or you 5 Sams would have scored against Sligo that night and I am long since retired!!



FFS, whats the big problem?  Did I insult either Paul or Rony, question their parentage or make derogatory statements about either of them, NO?  I just said they weren't that great in their time for Down, in my opinion. 

5 Sams, if you are saying that Murtagh's best example of his scoring exploits in 12 years playing for Down was coming on against that powerhouse of Gaelic Football, namely Sligo, and scoring a few points then fair play to him.  I didn't realise he was that good.  Buff and blow, I'm sure you see it every week for Ballyholland.  Beat a man, come back and beat him again, sorry did I beat you already, well then I'll give it a go once again.  This may be fine at club level but invariably I found him the most frustrating player I have seen in a long time.  All buff and blow but little end product!

He may be a mate of yours but take of your 'Murtagh Coloured Glasses.'

I don't know if you are on the wind or not but to question McComiskey's contribution to the Down fold is ridiculous.

He has played in three All Ireland Finals. Scored 1-03 in the 2005 Minor Final and ended up the top scorer from play in the 2005 All Ireland Minor series. He then scored 0-04 in the U-21 Final defeat to Cork. Then in the 2010 All Ireland Senior Final he roasted Ray Carey and scored three points in the process. 1-10 in total across three All Ireland Finals is a fine return.

This is not even to mention all the other scores he contributed for the Seniors for the past four or so years. He has also massively contributed to his club while he won a Sigerson playing centre half forward as a Fresher. Murtagh's contribution to our county has also been immense and to be fair you would have him in the current starting XV without hesitation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 04, 2012, 02:22:28 PM
Mc Cumiskey is a gem and whoever took the mad decision to take him off in the AI final made a bad call-hope to see him back at some stage but think we will need a restorative intervention with James. Murtagh was a great servant for Down and deserves credit not criticism -like John Clarke, we could still do with him but I don't think they would be happy with a panel place.
Not much more to say about yesterday - agree with MR, WGM and, for a change, Leo (mostly - thought Hughes and Maginn did their jobs but overall King is central to our strategy).
Management had a good day - well done to James and the two lads- in contrast to Canavan- no man is ever bigger than the team.
What is the Latin inscription on the collar of the shirt ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 04, 2012, 06:37:48 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 04, 2012, 02:22:28 PM
Mc Cumiskey is a gem and whoever took the mad decision to take him off in the AI final made a bad call-hope to see him back at some stage but think we will need a restorative intervention with James. Murtagh was a great servant for Down and deserves credit not criticism -like John Clarke, we could still do with him but I don't think they would be happy with a panel place.
Not much more to say about yesterday - agree with MR, WGM and, for a change, Leo (mostly - thought Hughes and Maginn did their jobs but overall King is central to our strategy).
Management had a good day - well done to James and the two lads- in contrast to Canavan- no man is ever bigger than the team.
What is the Latin inscription on the collar of the shirt ?


http://www.destinationnewry.com/news/New-Down-motto-on-jersey-collars
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 04, 2012, 11:26:37 PM
Just on yesterdays game i thought one man who always gets plenty of stick on here Daniel Mc Cartan was immense, He won every ball that went in near him even when it was 15 on 15. He then played sweeper and was in front of our full back at all times and not running about lost . He always was in the right place which although Fermanagh were poor this does not mean he had nothing to do.We have had others play this role who go wandering and leave the last line exposed . Fair play to all the lads yesterday they had a job to do and they went and done it against a team that were on a good run.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Feckitt on June 06, 2012, 11:48:18 AM
Does Ballyholland v Longstone in the championship clash with Ireland v Somebody in the Euros?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 06, 2012, 02:00:23 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on June 06, 2012, 11:48:18 AM
Does Ballyholland v Longstone in the championship clash with Ireland v Somebody in the Euros?

Harps V Stone is at 7pm.

Ireland V Croatia is at 7 45pm.


We tried to get the game changed but the Croatians were having none of it ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 06, 2012, 07:39:56 PM
Is the prediction league for championship not happening this year??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 06, 2012, 07:45:03 PM
DownFanatic

Did you get my PM to you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 06, 2012, 08:49:49 PM
I presume the Down v Monaghan will be in Armagh, does anyone know if this has been confirmed or has an altenative venue been proposed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 06, 2012, 10:29:41 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on June 06, 2012, 07:39:56 PM
Is the prediction league for championship not happening this year??

Lad, was PMing Umpire there. Im going to start up a Championship Predicition Comp on another thread now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 07, 2012, 03:34:58 AM
Quote from: ardtole on June 06, 2012, 08:49:49 PM
I presume the Down v Monaghan will be in Armagh, does anyone know if this has been confirmed or has an altenative venue been proposed?

No news yet. It could be Casement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: paddymcg115 on June 07, 2012, 12:58:17 PM
I am thinking of doing a decent bet on the Down club championship this weekend.
I have been looking at recent years championship, traditions and league status.
Would I be right in saying Bryansford and Kilcoo are near dead certs this weekend.
I also fancy Longstone, Saval and Clonduff strongly at decent prices.  What are peoples thoughts on these three teams in particular or is there any 1 of them less certain than the other.
Opinions greatly appreciated
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 07, 2012, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: paddymcg115 on June 07, 2012, 12:58:17 PM
I am thinking of doing a decent bet on the Down club championship this weekend.
I have been looking at recent years championship, traditions and league status.
Would I be right in saying Bryansford and Kilcoo are near dead certs this weekend.
I also fancy Longstone, Saval and Clonduff strongly at decent prices.  What are peoples thoughts on these three teams in particular or is there any 1 of them less certain than the other.
Opinions greatly appreciated

Rostrevor clonduff should be tight.. Where you getting these odds?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 07, 2012, 04:01:04 PM
Tonight's SFC games are off.

Down Morgan Milk Senior Football Championship-Amended

Friday 8th June in Mayobridge

8pm Clonduff v Rostrevor


Saturday 9th June  in Pairc Esler

2.30pm  Mayobridge v Newry Shamrocks

Saturday 9th June in St Patrick's Park Newcastle

5pm Castlewellan v Loughinisland

6.30pm Burren v Kilclief



Sunday 10th June in Castlewellan

2.30pm  Downpatrick v Bryansford

Sunday 10th June in Pairc Esler ( Please Note Change of Times)

5.00pm An Riocht v Kilcoo

6.30pm Ballyholland v Longstone

8.00pm Liatroim v Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 07, 2012, 06:32:18 PM
im sure its back in this thread somewhere but does anyone have a full set of the intermediate championship fixtures coming up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 07, 2012, 06:42:31 PM
I'am sure tonights fixtures will not be the only ones to fall to the weather
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on June 08, 2012, 01:46:27 PM
Glenn have opened up a lake for pike fishing at John Martin Park so tonights game due to be played against Drumgath has been Postponed to Monday 11th June at 7.30PM

8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CitySlicker11 on June 08, 2012, 01:50:16 PM
Disgrace fixing games at the same time as Ireland play in the European championships.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on June 08, 2012, 02:23:45 PM
Ireland match on sunday...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CitySlicker11 on June 08, 2012, 02:58:59 PM
Sunday 10th June in Pairc Esler ( Please Note Change of Times)

5.00pm An Riocht v Kilcoo

6.30pm Ballyholland v Longstone

8.00pm Liatroim v Saval

... Yes general therefore all of the above games will leave fans having to make a choice. Not being pro soccer here but I fear for the attendances at the GAA games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 08, 2012, 03:45:59 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 07, 2012, 06:32:18 PM
im sure its back in this thread somewhere but does anyone have a full set of the intermediate championship fixtures coming up?

   AROUND A POUND  INTERMEDIATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP
Round  1  Weekend of 9/10/11/12th August
Ballymartin V   Ardglass
Darragh Cross V   St Johns

Tullylish v  Saul
Drumgath   v   Atticall
Warrenpoint   v Glenn
Bredagh v   Carryduff
Annaclone v  Glasdrumman
Clann na Banna v   St John Bosco
Quarter –Finals Weekend of 7/8/9th September
Semi-Finals Weekend of 28/29/30TH  September
DOWN  INTERMEDIATE FOOTBALL  Final Sunday October 21st

Ulster Club Football Intermediate Quarter –Final Sunday Nov 4th (tbc)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 08, 2012, 03:53:30 PM
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on June 08, 2012, 02:58:59 PM
Sunday 10th June in Pairc Esler ( Please Note Change of Times)

5.00pm An Riocht v Kilcoo

6.30pm Ballyholland v Longstone

8.00pm Liatroim v Saval

... Yes general therefore all of the above games will leave fans having to make a choice. Not being pro soccer here but I fear for the attendances at the GAA games.
the attendance at these games will be greatly hit imo. alot of neutral fans will have a choice to make and i fear most will choose the sofa or the pub to watch the boys in green.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 08, 2012, 09:14:08 PM
Harps V Longstone off. Bereavement in the stone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 08, 2012, 09:20:30 PM
See on Twitter Dee Rafferty has announced his retirement. One of our best defenders over quite a number of years never let us down .All the best Damien absolute gentleman both on and off the field good luck
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 08, 2012, 09:21:41 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on June 08, 2012, 09:20:30 PM
See on Twitter Dee Rafferty has announced his retirement. One of our best defenders over quite a number of years never let us down .All the best Damien absolute gentleman both on and off the field good luck

+1 Big loss.

Damien Rafferty‏@DE07RAFF

Have 2 join the trend of retirements on twitter. Surgeon told me 2 hang them up and look forward 2 a life of aches and pains #size9anybody
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on June 08, 2012, 09:39:48 PM
That's sad news for the fella and for all Down fans . A super footballer and one that will be very hard replaced . All the best Dee .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 08, 2012, 09:53:54 PM
Clonduff 2.6 Rostrevor 0.6 FT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 08, 2012, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: downredblack on June 08, 2012, 09:39:48 PM
That's sad news for the fella and for all Down fans . A super footballer and one that will be very hard replaced . All the best Dee .

Outstanding player for Down...close to an All Star in 2010...we (Ballyholland) won't miss him...neither will some of the best corner forwards in the country (Gooch included). Was looking forward to him coming back this year...ah well...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 09, 2012, 12:20:20 AM
It's worth mentioning that Club Down members voted to give Dee Rafferty the Spirit of Breen Morgan award in 2010, meaning that in an AI final year he was the player who best exemplified what it meant to wear our jersey. If he and McComiskey had been left on the field at Croke Park, we might even have lifted Sam that year. Dee was as game as they come, attacked every ball and used possession exceptionally well. He will be badly missed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on June 09, 2012, 02:35:22 PM
Any idea when the Stone v Ballyholland game will be replayed.  Sean Rooney sadly passed away yesterday, will be sorely missed around the 'stone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on June 09, 2012, 03:00:55 PM
I'd just like to point out that the result submitted to the Down website for Dundrum Vs St Pauls is incorrect. The match was not played as the referee deemed the pitch unplayable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on June 09, 2012, 03:02:19 PM
HT SCORE

Shamrocks 0.02 MAYOBRIDGE 4.08

Some game  :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on June 09, 2012, 03:43:45 PM
Shamrocks 0.09 mayobridge 5.16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 09, 2012, 04:34:41 PM
After that result, can anyone in this county really still advocate a division 1 of 16 teams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on June 09, 2012, 04:37:43 PM
Saval 0.05 liatroim 0.04
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 09, 2012, 05:47:19 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 09, 2012, 04:34:41 PM
After that result, can anyone in this county really still advocate a division 1 of 16 teams?

It is absolute madness. I think this should be reviewed, disaster waiting to happen. Football is hard enough to watch at present. Burren v Kilclief will be another cricket score winning margin later.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 09, 2012, 06:01:54 PM
Quote from: general on June 09, 2012, 04:37:43 PM
Saval 0.05 liatroim 0.04

Is this the final result?

Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 09, 2012, 05:47:19 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 09, 2012, 04:34:41 PM
After that result, can anyone in this county really still advocate a division 1 of 16 teams?

It is absolute madness. I think this should be reviewed, disaster waiting to happen. Football is hard enough to watch at present. Burren v Kilclief will be another cricket score winning margin later.

For the life of me I cannot understand how the clubs voted for these proposals.  We will see many mis-matches next year in the league similar to some of the championship results we have seen today and will see again in the championship.  The county board will seriously have to take another look at this if these results continue.

How can this be good for club football in Down?  What was wrong with the old set up anyway.?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on June 09, 2012, 06:37:08 PM
Saval 2-09
Liatroim 1-08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 09, 2012, 08:15:07 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 09, 2012, 04:34:41 PM
After that result, can anyone in this county really still advocate a division 1 of 16 teams?

Burren result would back that up...massive gulf between Div 1 & 2 and SFC and IFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 09, 2012, 10:07:58 PM
Can't argue with that 5 Sams. We were completely out of our depth and were handed a lesson by a  top class football team. In our defence I will say that we more than earned our shot at the SFC after winning the IFC last season. Very proud of our lads tonight though, they never gave up and worked right to the final whistle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 09, 2012, 10:24:59 PM
Burren 7-15 V 1-9 Kilclief

Get used to results like this!  And you can't blame the likes of Kilclief or Shamrocks for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on June 09, 2012, 11:18:35 PM
Back to old system a MUST after today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 10, 2012, 02:04:15 AM
Lads, when this was put to the vote at a county board meeting, only 7 or so clubs voted against League re-structuring, my club included. At the end of the day county board delegates on behalf of their clubs voted unanimously for these proposals to go through. We are stuck with them for the forseeable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on June 10, 2012, 07:32:02 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 10, 2012, 02:04:15 AM
Lads, when this was put to the vote at a county board meeting, only 7 or so clubs voted against League re-structuring, my club included. At the end of the day county board delegates on behalf of their clubs voted unanimously for these proposals to go through. We are stuck with them for the forseeable.

This doesnt affect any of the div1 clubs it just protects them from ever being relegated. The likes of Clonduff, Longstone etc. will now never be relegated + they are all sure of at least a 2nd chance in the the Championship.

So now if what happens last year and Burren and Bryansford are Drawn against each other it doesnt really matter.  We will never (in my opinion) see the likes of Annaclone, Loughinisland or Liatriom back in a chamoionship final due to these decisions.

This vote was rushed through before the 1st league game was played and as this doesnt affect the top clubs, so NO kick up was caused.

There no is law to say it cant be over turned
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 10, 2012, 01:48:45 PM
Lads judging by league tables at present both kilclief and shamrocks would be plying their trade in div 2 of the new system . so using these results as a basis for arguments is wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 10, 2012, 06:38:44 PM
Kilcoo are winning by 15.

The SFC 1st round has been an entirely pointless exercise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 10, 2012, 07:00:54 PM
Kilcoo 4-20 - An Riocht 0-07

This is turning into a real joke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 10, 2012, 07:24:20 PM
I hear we're in Armagh for the Monaghan game...2pm 24th June.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 10, 2012, 07:30:18 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 10, 2012, 07:24:20 PM
I hear we're in Armagh for the Monaghan game...2pm 24th June.

Sensible venue.  Hope we do better than our last few times there.


Championship result
Bryansford 2.14 - Downpatrick 3.07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on June 11, 2012, 09:58:29 PM
Drumgath beat Glenn by 6 tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on June 11, 2012, 11:34:12 PM
drumgath 2   11 glen 1   8   glen were winning 1  6  to 0  4  at half time. a funny wee field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on June 12, 2012, 12:59:20 PM
Hi Lucan how do you mean a funny wee field?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on June 12, 2012, 02:06:06 PM
Sounds like lucan being a twat minus15!!

He must realise all clubs dont have stupid money to spend..especially the likes off a country team like Glenn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on June 12, 2012, 04:28:33 PM
no insult intended minus 15. the field is not the largest in the county but i was refering more to the way it falls away to the side furtherest from the club house.i think it benefited drumgath in the second half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 12, 2012, 05:35:44 PM
Quote from: general on June 12, 2012, 02:06:06 PM
Sounds like lucan being a t**t minus15!!

He must realise all clubs dont have stupid money to spend..especially the likes off a country team like Glenn.

Ya got a tener off me for one pathetic prediction  :o Loaded I would say.. How is that LMS going? we looking another one before season is out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on June 12, 2012, 05:36:10 PM
I thought that is what you were alluding to alright Lucan and I think you have a point. Don't take no notice of The general! He is intoxicated in Amsterdam en route to Poland at the moment!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on June 12, 2012, 05:37:36 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 12, 2012, 05:35:44 PM
Quote from: general on June 12, 2012, 02:06:06 PM
Sounds like lucan being a t**t minus15!!

He must realise all clubs dont have stupid money to spend..especially the likes off a country team like Glenn.

Ya got a tener off me for one pathetic prediction  :o Loaded I would say.. How is that LMS going? we looking another one before season is out

Still 33 standing ahead of this week's games!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on June 15, 2012, 12:41:12 PM
More bigotry in the Kilkeel/Ballymartin this week, shameful
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 15, 2012, 04:14:57 PM
Clonduff V Harps switched to Monday night. Half 7 in Hilltown.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 15, 2012, 09:28:13 PM
What price these 3 results...holy fcuk. Longstone 1-15 V Burren 2-9, Downpatrick 5-4 V Bryansford 3-8, Castlewellan 1-9 V Kilcoo 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 15, 2012, 10:49:19 PM
It's been a night of shocks alright 5 Sams, we even managed to score two goals.  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on June 16, 2012, 01:50:31 AM
surprised at ardglass beating tullylish. they must have all their socer men back also tullylish are missing a few men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on June 17, 2012, 09:40:49 AM
I have been looking at the tables and again the div 3 table looks like a few teams are already playing catch up in the amount of games they have played prepared to others. It ranges from 13 games played by some teams til 10 games played..  If this trend continues and one of the teams that have played only 10 or 11 games gets a run in the Championship we will be left with the same situation as last year. Why is so many games not being played and if theres a valid reason for calling them of why are the games not being played within the 7 day rule?

Plus could someone please clear up what way the leagues are being finished this year due to the changes..  Is there playofs to see who wins league or does the top team become champions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on June 18, 2012, 11:20:13 AM
Is the Down v Monaghan game on tv?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 18, 2012, 01:31:31 PM
Are there up to date league tables anywhere? Can't seem to find them on the site
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 18, 2012, 01:37:10 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 18, 2012, 01:31:31 PM
Are there up to date league tables anywhere? Can't seem to find them on the site

League tables at downgaa.net under 'Fixtures and Results.'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 19, 2012, 12:32:08 AM
Harps v comfortable 3 pt winners tonight against Clonduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on June 19, 2012, 08:12:30 AM
Quote from: behind the wire on June 18, 2012, 11:20:13 AM
Is the Down v Monaghan game on tv?
Live on RTE 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on June 19, 2012, 10:52:28 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on June 17, 2012, 09:40:49 AM
I have been looking at the tables and again the div 3 table looks like a few teams are already playing catch up in the amount of games they have played prepared to others. It ranges from 13 games played by some teams til 10 games played..  If this trend continues and one of the teams that have played only 10 or 11 games gets a run in the Championship we will be left with the same situation as last year. Why is so many games not being played and if theres a valid reason for calling them of why are the games not being played within the 7 day rule?

Plus could someone please clear up what way the leagues are being finished this year due to the changes..  Is there playofs to see who wins league or does the top team become champions?

I take it everyone else then is in the same boat and dont have a clue whats happening to finish leagues?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 19, 2012, 10:58:44 PM
As far as I know the top ten in this years div 3 play in a new division 2 next year and the bottom 2 play in division 3 next year. The recent wet weather caused a few games to be postponed and i would say that is why a few teams might be behind schedule, but I dont think it is a huge problem at this stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 20, 2012, 10:29:24 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on June 19, 2012, 10:52:28 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on June 17, 2012, 09:40:49 AM
I have been looking at the tables and again the div 3 table looks like a few teams are already playing catch up in the amount of games they have played prepared to others. It ranges from 13 games played by some teams til 10 games played..  If this trend continues and one of the teams that have played only 10 or 11 games gets a run in the Championship we will be left with the same situation as last year. Why is so many games not being played and if theres a valid reason for calling them of why are the games not being played within the 7 day rule?

Plus could someone please clear up what way the leagues are being finished this year due to the changes..  Is there playofs to see who wins league or does the top team become champions?

I take it everyone else then is in the same boat and dont have a clue whats happening to finish leagues?

To be honest 13-10 isn't that big of a gap at the moment, two games in a week and you are near back up to speed!

If it was 13-6/7 then you may have a problem. But I don't know how the leagues finish, just heard top 6 from Div 2 are going to Div 1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 22, 2012, 03:35:53 PM
and so we have another wet and soggy Friday, any games off yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on June 22, 2012, 06:15:06 PM
Drumgath v Tullylish off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 22, 2012, 06:23:29 PM
Aughlisnafin v Bredagh off as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John o connor on June 22, 2012, 06:47:31 PM
Lot of games lost to this bloody rain . Ballykindler to visit st michaels tonight with that young enigma Stevie mc Straw making yet another comeback for the ducks ( our very own Seamie Quigley ) . If he gets early ball expect him to shine , Magheralin by 5/6 & mc straw to stand out on return
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 22, 2012, 09:01:21 PM
Dundrum bate the Mitchels in Derryleckagh the night in Division 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 22, 2012, 11:02:40 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 22, 2012, 09:01:21 PM
Dundrum bate the Mitchels in Derryleckagh the night in Division 4.

How you manage to post that? We won by 7.

Does any posters ( div 4 clubs as imagaine other divisions don't really give  a fiddlers) know what way division 4 is fixed this year? Is it top two up? Or is it first up and second and third playing off to see who joins first in divison 2 and a county final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 23, 2012, 01:48:23 AM
Harps beat the league leaders by 6 tonight...should have been a lot more...how are they up there at the top of the table....they were brutal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 23, 2012, 11:12:57 AM
Their stay at the top was short lived, 5 days in total, and where joint top with Burren and ourselves. They beat a Kilcoo team minus 10 regulars and 4 other squad men as they wouldn't move the fixture for us to accommodate one of our main players stag weekend. They would do anything to beat Kilcoo, even though it was affectively a mixture of seconds/thirds players they defeated. Nice to see parity restored last night with a comprehensive beating for them by the harps while Kilcoo SENIORS also got back to winning ways and returned to top spot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 23, 2012, 01:59:21 PM
my understanfing is that its top 2 up to the new div 2, no play offs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 23, 2012, 05:53:58 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 23, 2012, 01:59:21 PM
my understanfing is that its top 2 up to the new div 2, no play offs

That was my belief as well, though it wasn't the case last year. Hope this is true. Big fixture on Monday night in division SB
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 23, 2012, 06:31:54 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on June 23, 2012, 05:53:58 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 23, 2012, 01:59:21 PM
my understanfing is that its top 2 up to the new div 2, no play offs

That was my belief as well, though it wasn't the case last year. Hope this is true. Big fixture on Monday night in division SB

it is indeed, if we win then I think it should be us and yous thats go up as they will have lost 3, lose and your up and us and Mitchels to fight it out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 23, 2012, 08:53:50 PM
I hear Benny played 20 mins for the Bridge last night and is raring to be unleashed against Monaghan tomorrow.  All I can say is 'Bring Him On.'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 24, 2012, 10:37:18 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 23, 2012, 08:53:50 PM
I hear Benny played 20 mins for the Bridge last night and is raring to be unleashed against Monaghan tomorrow.  All I can say is 'Bring Him On.'

Not true I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on June 24, 2012, 12:26:10 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 23, 2012, 11:12:57 AM
Their stay at the top was short lived, 5 days in total, and where joint top with Burren and ourselves. They beat a Kilcoo team minus 10 regulars and 4 other squad men as they wouldn't move the fixture for us to accommodate one of our main players stag weekend. They would do anything to beat Kilcoo, even though it was affectively a mixture of seconds/thirds players they defeated. Nice to see parity restored last night with a comprehensive beating for them by the harps while Kilcoo SENIORS also got back to winning ways and returned to top spot.

Not to dampen your anti-castlewellan propoganda, which is blatantly obvious when taking a quick glimpse through your post history Mid-Down-Gael, but a bit more notice might have seen kilcoo's postponement application sucessful (the first notice we were given was saturday before the game)...We were going to be missing between 3-4 lads had we moved the match to Thursday or Saturday and Wednesday was too soon after our bruising championship game v loughanisland (when 3 boys were taken off with impact injuries)...We were well entitled to go ahead with the game as per schedule. We have no problem accomodating teams with regards re-arranging games (Mayobridge were going to be unable to field at the start of the season because of a wedding so we changed it to suit) providing it is not going to adversely affect us.

With regards the exagerated number of missing players...your starting team featured Steven Kane, Aiden Brannigan, Darragh O Hanlon, Donal Kane, Jerome Johnson, James McClean, Paul Devlin, Martin Devlin, Sean Devlin, Paddy Devlin, cillian laverty, alphonsus mcevoy who have all regularly been playing senior football for kilcoo for this past number of years. Im sure those fella's would take kindly to you calling them 'affectively a mixture of seconds and thirds'...Of your starting team that leaves Nathyn Smyth, Conor McCusker and Darryl Brannigan....Perhaps it is these guys you are alluding to as 'Seconds and thirds players'?! Granted you were missing conor laverty, niall & gerard mcevoy, phelim mcgreevy but you must not realise that you are only allowed to have 15 players on the pitch at any one time judging by your almost weekly match reports beginning with 'A weakened kilcoo side...' For the record too we were missing fintan mcgreevy, kevin duffin, daniel morgan and a few others but then again...who really cares?...

On another note...Good luck to both Down teams today...would be a great achievement if we had double representation on ulster final day...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: hectorsheroes on June 24, 2012, 08:37:17 PM
Brilliant absolutely brilliant 2nd hald yes it didnt work first half but you gotta say pride was massive there - superb second half - alright they missed a few early 2nd half but when pressure was on O'Hare, Carr and Doyle hit the target - remmarkable and deeeeelighted - well done boys
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 25, 2012, 12:34:30 AM
Today we won a game,but we lost our credibility as a serious football team capable of challenging for major honours. Monaghan exposed our ineptitudes in a ruthless manner. To talk of problems in defence would be silly, when quite simply we do not have a defence. The lack of basic skills, pace, and any semblance of tactical awareness rendered them redundant, indeed i have witnessed better defenders at U16 level.  That we are in an ulster Final is due too the individual brilliance of Conor Laverty over the two games to date. There is insufficient time available to address our serious shortcomings, so i very much fear we are in for a tanking from either Donegal or Tyrone. I would dearly love to know what exactly they do at Down traing sessions, as there is little evidence of any work
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 25, 2012, 09:14:53 AM
Don't agree with your analysis Pangurban - we do have a defence and there is clear evidence of a plan but we were torn to shreds in the first half. Management is all about making decisions and the analysis of problems to find solutions ; James and the team excelled in this regard yesterday.
I agree with your take on Laverty.
I'm posting this on the Down thread because it's more about Down than the actual game yesterday. I think we should recognise that Ambrose, Kevin and Aidan are men in their own right and it's wrong to make comparisons with their All Ireland winning fathers. In 2010 Ambrose and Kevin made their names for themselves and yesterday Aidan did the same. To have the balls to take the penalty and the equalising free ( after debate with Ambrose) showed that the man has nerves of steel. Then to crown it off he hits a 70 yard pass into the box which led to O'Hagan's winning point ; this was the same distance that Ross covered with his free ( ;))on 30th June 1991 (into the same goals!!) to equalise against Derry in the USFC SF. You couldn't make it up .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on June 25, 2012, 12:26:10 PM
Was at the game yesterday, what a roller coaster!! At half time I was trying to see if I could find a Down official anywhere that would give me my £20 back!!! What a come back though, fair play to the squad and management for the turnaround.

After the dust has settled though, we will not get away with that first half display against Tyrone or Donegal. They will not make the mistake that Monaghan did, If either of these teams go 7 or 8 points up it is good night!

A lot of work needs to be done on the defensive side of things. Benny McArdle had his moments yesterday but all in all in was a very poor defensive display, from all conerned. Can we turn this around for an Ulster Final? I am not sure!

Just on the Ref; It was the worst display I have ever witnessed, and I have witnessed some awful displays in my time. This can never be allowed to happen again. The powers that be banned Brannigan after video evidence, and rightly so! On this basis this Ref should never be allowed to take charge of an inter county game again!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2012, 08:34:05 PM
Quote from: wildrover on June 24, 2012, 12:26:10 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 23, 2012, 11:12:57 AM
Their stay at the top was short lived, 5 days in total, and where joint top with Burren and ourselves. They beat a Kilcoo team minus 10 regulars and 4 other squad men as they wouldn't move the fixture for us to accommodate one of our main players stag weekend. They would do anything to beat Kilcoo, even though it was affectively a mixture of seconds/thirds players they defeated. Nice to see parity restored last night with a comprehensive beating for them by the harps while Kilcoo SENIORS also got back to winning ways and returned to top spot.

Not to dampen your anti-castlewellan propoganda, which is blatantly obvious when taking a quick glimpse through your post history Mid-Down-Gael, but a bit more notice might have seen kilcoo's postponement application sucessful (the first notice we were given was saturday before the game)...We were going to be missing between 3-4 lads had we moved the match to Thursday or Saturday and Wednesday was too soon after our bruising championship game v loughanisland (when 3 boys were taken off with impact injuries)...We were well entitled to go ahead with the game as per schedule. We have no problem accomodating teams with regards re-arranging games (Mayobridge were going to be unable to field at the start of the season because of a wedding so we changed it to suit) providing it is not going to adversely affect us.

With regards the exagerated number of missing players...your starting team featured Steven Kane, Aiden Brannigan, Darragh O Hanlon, Donal Kane, Jerome Johnson, James McClean, Paul Devlin, Martin Devlin, Sean Devlin, Paddy Devlin, cillian laverty, alphonsus mcevoy who have all regularly been playing senior football for kilcoo for this past number of years. Im sure those fella's would take kindly to you calling them 'affectively a mixture of seconds and thirds'...Of your starting team that leaves Nathyn Smyth, Conor McCusker and Darryl Brannigan....Perhaps it is these guys you are alluding to as 'Seconds and thirds players'?! Granted you were missing conor laverty, niall & gerard mcevoy, phelim mcgreevy but you must not realise that you are only allowed to have 15 players on the pitch at any one time judging by your almost weekly match reports beginning with 'A weakened kilcoo side...' For the record too we were missing fintan mcgreevy, kevin duffin, daniel morgan and a few others but then again...who really cares?...

On another note...Good luck to both Down teams today...would be a great achievement if we had double representation on ulster final day...
You are very selective on the guys you say we where without. Along with Felim, Gerard and Nial and Laverty we where also minus Nial Brannigan, Anthony Devlin, Dominic Mcevoy, Ryan Johnston, Ciaran McClean, Sean ohanlon, Nial Morgan, Paul Greenan and our captain Gary Mcevoy, while good squad men Aaron Brannigan and Daithi Ohanlon where also unavailable.
If you believe it was a great success story beating a severely weakened Kilcoo line out you should think again, yous struggled to scrape by one of our weakest line outs in years. From the championship winning team from 2009 we had 4 players lining out and I think that tells its own story.
Fair play to yous, yous beat what was on front of yous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on June 25, 2012, 09:18:17 PM
DIV 3 RESULT

Drumgath 1-18
Tullylish 2-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 25, 2012, 09:37:15 PM
Division 2
Loughinisland 1-05  Liatroim 0-08

0-04 each at halftime. The Island got a goal with just over 5 minutes left to take the lead. Liatroim equalised with a free but then spurned a couple of other set piece chances near the death.

Even game. Big plus point from a Down perspective is that Dan Gordon played the full sixty minutes and came through unscathed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 25, 2012, 09:48:34 PM
Div 4
Mitchels beat Bredagh by 2 points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 25, 2012, 09:49:08 PM
SFC,
Sat 30th June
Pairc Esler Newry
7.00pm
Longstone v Ballyholland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on June 25, 2012, 09:56:32 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2012, 08:34:05 PM
Quote from: wildrover on June 24, 2012, 12:26:10 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 23, 2012, 11:12:57 AM
Their stay at the top was short lived, 5 days in total, and where joint top with Burren and ourselves. They beat a Kilcoo team minus 10 regulars and 4 other squad men as they wouldn't move the fixture for us to accommodate one of our main players stag weekend. They would do anything to beat Kilcoo, even though it was affectively a mixture of seconds/thirds players they defeated. Nice to see parity restored last night with a comprehensive beating for them by the harps while Kilcoo SENIORS also got back to winning ways and returned to top spot.

Not to dampen your anti-castlewellan propoganda, which is blatantly obvious when taking a quick glimpse through your post history Mid-Down-Gael, but a bit more notice might have seen kilcoo's postponement application sucessful (the first notice we were given was saturday before the game)...We were going to be missing between 3-4 lads had we moved the match to Thursday or Saturday and Wednesday was too soon after our bruising championship game v loughanisland (when 3 boys were taken off with impact injuries)...We were well entitled to go ahead with the game as per schedule. We have no problem accomodating teams with regards re-arranging games (Mayobridge were going to be unable to field at the start of the season because of a wedding so we changed it to suit) providing it is not going to adversely affect us.

With regards the exagerated number of missing players...your starting team featured Steven Kane, Aiden Brannigan, Darragh O Hanlon, Donal Kane, Jerome Johnson, James McClean, Paul Devlin, Martin Devlin, Sean Devlin, Paddy Devlin, cillian laverty, alphonsus mcevoy who have all regularly been playing senior football for kilcoo for this past number of years. Im sure those fella's would take kindly to you calling them 'affectively a mixture of seconds and thirds'...Of your starting team that leaves Nathyn Smyth, Conor McCusker and Darryl Brannigan....Perhaps it is these guys you are alluding to as 'Seconds and thirds players'?! Granted you were missing conor laverty, niall & gerard mcevoy, phelim mcgreevy but you must not realise that you are only allowed to have 15 players on the pitch at any one time judging by your almost weekly match reports beginning with 'A weakened kilcoo side...' For the record too we were missing fintan mcgreevy, kevin duffin, daniel morgan and a few others but then again...who really cares?...

On another note...Good luck to both Down teams today...would be a great achievement if we had double representation on ulster final day...
You are very selective on the guys you say we where without. Along with Felim, Gerard and Nial and Laverty we where also minus Nial Brannigan, Anthony Devlin, Dominic Mcevoy, Ryan Johnston, Ciaran McClean, Sean ohanlon, Nial Morgan, Paul Greenan and our captain Gary Mcevoy, while good squad men Aaron Brannigan and Daithi Ohanlon where also unavailable.
If you believe it was a great success story beating a severely weakened Kilcoo line out you should think again, yous struggled to scrape by one of our weakest line outs in years. From the championship winning team from 2009 we had 4 players lining out and I think that tells its own story.
Fair play to yous, yous beat what was on front of yous.

Mid Down Gael my post came as a response to your jibes that we would 'not move the fixture to accomodate one of your main players stags'...not to brag about 'a great success story' of beating a severely weakened kilcoo (I would be careful about your superiority complex here - you are not quite crossmaglen)...truth be told we were v.disappointed by our performance and should have won the game by a much more comfortable margin...

Kilcoo possess a huge panel of good footballers with a couple of stand-out players...I was selective about the players I named because they sprang to mind as being big losses...I accept I overlooked a couple more you mentioned on your list but, to my mind, and having seen kilcoo team-sheets since the start of the season, they have largely not featured...You have also delved into long-term injuries and immigration....To me that is not valid and in that case there is not a team in the county that is not 'severely weakened'...

Quick case study....Kilcoo have 50 boys at training and come match day 12 boys are unavailable for variety of reasons....Ballymartin (different divisions and levels I know) have 22 boys at training and come match day 5 boys are unavailable...who is more 'severely weakened'?! Having so many boys training and playing is commendable for such a small rural area, but the flip-side is that there will inevitably be more boys missing for matches throughout the year. Both teams fielded 15 players and castlewellan won. End of.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on June 25, 2012, 10:06:27 PM
Quote from: wildrover on June 25, 2012, 09:56:32 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 25, 2012, 08:34:05 PM
Quote from: wildrover on June 24, 2012, 12:26:10 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 23, 2012, 11:12:57 AM
Their stay at the top was short lived, 5 days in total, and where joint top with Burren and ourselves. They beat a Kilcoo team minus 10 regulars and 4 other squad men as they wouldn't move the fixture for us to accommodate one of our main players stag weekend. They would do anything to beat Kilcoo, even though it was affectively a mixture of seconds/thirds players they defeated. Nice to see parity restored last night with a comprehensive beating for them by the harps while Kilcoo SENIORS also got back to winning ways and returned to top spot.

Not to dampen your anti-castlewellan propoganda, which is blatantly obvious when taking a quick glimpse through your post history Mid-Down-Gael, but a bit more notice might have seen kilcoo's postponement application sucessful (the first notice we were given was saturday before the game)...We were going to be missing between 3-4 lads had we moved the match to Thursday or Saturday and Wednesday was too soon after our bruising championship game v loughanisland (when 3 boys were taken off with impact injuries)...We were well entitled to go ahead with the game as per schedule. We have no problem accomodating teams with regards re-arranging games (Mayobridge were going to be unable to field at the start of the season because of a wedding so we changed it to suit) providing it is not going to adversely affect us.

With regards the exagerated number of missing players...your starting team featured Steven Kane, Aiden Brannigan, Darragh O Hanlon, Donal Kane, Jerome Johnson, James McClean, Paul Devlin, Martin Devlin, Sean Devlin, Paddy Devlin, cillian laverty, alphonsus mcevoy who have all regularly been playing senior football for kilcoo for this past number of years. Im sure those fella's would take kindly to you calling them 'affectively a mixture of seconds and thirds'...Of your starting team that leaves Nathyn Smyth, Conor McCusker and Darryl Brannigan....Perhaps it is these guys you are alluding to as 'Seconds and thirds players'?! Granted you were missing conor laverty, niall & gerard mcevoy, phelim mcgreevy but you must not realise that you are only allowed to have 15 players on the pitch at any one time judging by your almost weekly match reports beginning with 'A weakened kilcoo side...' For the record too we were missing fintan mcgreevy, kevin duffin, daniel morgan and a few others but then again...who really cares?...

On another note...Good luck to both Down teams today...would be a great achievement if we had double representation on ulster final day...
You are very selective on the guys you say we where without. Along with Felim, Gerard and Nial and Laverty we where also minus Nial Brannigan, Anthony Devlin, Dominic Mcevoy, Ryan Johnston, Ciaran McClean, Sean ohanlon, Nial Morgan, Paul Greenan and our captain Gary Mcevoy, while good squad men Aaron Brannigan and Daithi Ohanlon where also unavailable.
If you believe it was a great success story beating a severely weakened Kilcoo line out you should think again, yous struggled to scrape by one of our weakest line outs in years. From the championship winning team from 2009 we had 4 players lining out and I think that tells its own story.
Fair play to yous, yous beat what was on front of yous.

Mid Down Gael my post came as a response to your jibes that we would 'not move the fixture to accomodate one of your main players stags'...not to brag about 'a great success story' of beating a severely weakened kilcoo (I would be careful about your superiority complex here - you are not quite crossmaglen)...truth be told we were v.disappointed by our performance and should have won the game by a much more comfortable margin...

Kilcoo possess a huge panel of good footballers with a couple of stand-out players...I was selective about the players I named because they sprang to mind as being big losses...I accept I overlooked a couple more you mentioned on your list but, to my mind, and having seen kilcoo team-sheets since the start of the season, they have largely not featured...You have also delved into long-term injuries and immigration....To me that is not valid and in that case there is not a team in the county that is not 'severely weakened'...

Quick case study....Kilcoo have 50 boys at training and come match day 12 boys are unavailable for variety of reasons....Ballymartin (different divisions and levels I know) have 22 boys at training and come match day 5 boys are unavailable...who is more 'severely weakened'?! Having so many boys training and playing is commendable for such a small rural area, but the flip-side is that there will inevitably be more boys missing for matches throughout the year. Both teams fielded 15 players and castlewellan won. End of.

Here Ballymartin don't realise how lucky they are  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on June 25, 2012, 11:42:33 PM
Its needs to be mentioned that yesterday showed that after all the flak the county players take they do take pride in wearing the jersey.  I like to put it on the record that no one will really want to play us as on any given day we can beat anyone.  Keep the hard work up lads at training as its paying of and remember september is growing closer.  Can we win the Ulster final? Not a problem and why should we fear Donegal or Tyrone?  If we play the way we know we can we are as good as anyone.  C'mon Down  :) :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on June 26, 2012, 02:03:48 PM
Well Done to the lads on Sunday for scrapping through a tough first half to reach our first Ulster final in years! The key in the second half was winning primary possession in centre field and moving the ball forward with pace and accuracy! Laverty was emense and has took alot of stick on this forum in the past but his last two performances have silence his critics.

Really happy with the solid game from Ambrose! Each game he plays, he gets fitter, faster and stronger. Looking forward to a massive game from him in the final. Hopefully Dan is fit where he can aid a wide open defense and with Brannigans return aswell. Badly missed Maginn for break ball in round the middle and his fast distribution. Benny will def start ahead of Eoin McCartan.
I think we won't be far away from an ulster title, but it will have to be our biggest performance in years!

Mid Down Geal and Wildrover are going at it on here... Magpies actually threw that game away that night if I remember.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on June 26, 2012, 07:24:52 PM
to daisy cutter and here comes six.talk it up as much as you wish but would you back it up with hard cash in the book makers.you;ll get a great price.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on June 26, 2012, 08:26:09 PM
well lucan Ive a score on them at 40/1 til win the all-Ireland so im happy enuf so far as we still have 2 chances left
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 27, 2012, 09:45:57 PM
Division 4 tonight

Dundrum 1-14  St Paul's 1-05
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on June 28, 2012, 10:09:36 PM
I see that Caolán Mooney is to make his debut with Collingwood this weekend. Best of luck to him. 
Ironically it is Marty Clarke that is dropped from the team for the first time this year.
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Post by: 45 on June 28, 2012, 10:47:19 PM
Jes if we had those 2 lads this year we would have one serious team
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Post by: EagleLord on June 29, 2012, 10:10:10 AM
I would really want to see that. Can anyone tell me what time its on at? I wish i still had the sky, but il just have to make do with a stream from somewhere.
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Post by: lfdown2 on June 29, 2012, 01:43:35 PM
It's brisbane time 1-45 so that's 4-45 back home lad, unfortunately we're training!
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Post by: SHEEDY on June 29, 2012, 09:35:53 PM
clonduff beat b'ford by 1-8 to 0-10. kilcoo beat m'bridge by the same margin 1-13 to 2-9.
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Post by: dundrumite on June 29, 2012, 10:01:23 PM
Dundrum 0-16 Dromara 0-8.

A classic it certainly wasn't with Dundrum pulling away in the last 15 haven't been trailing by a point during the second half
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on June 29, 2012, 11:50:16 PM
Very tight encounter in Kilcoo where it took a well executed Paul Devlin free to swing a deserving win for us in the last minute.
The bridge had a more experienced side lined out and put up a great fight. Their panel is severely stretched with many of thier younger players based in foreign shores.
Referee Brendan Rice was the main talking point throughout though, some baffling calls made. The centre of attention has to be this mans aim in every game.
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Post by: amallon on June 30, 2012, 12:00:18 AM
Happy enough with the Bridge performance considering the five boys in San Fran.  We were really holding onto the game at the end and could have sneaked a draw but Kilcoo were the better team.  The first penalty was stonewall, the second was a bit more doubtful.  Awarded for an off the ball tackle on Benny.
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Post by: southdown on June 30, 2012, 09:08:14 AM
How did Benny do last night, was he on for the whole game?
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Post by: Line Ball on June 30, 2012, 01:52:34 PM
Just hearing that Decky Moore died this morning.  Very sorry to hear that.  RIP
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Post by: forevergreen on June 30, 2012, 06:51:53 PM

Declan Moore R.I.P, sad to hear another Gael gone before his time
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Post by: SHEEDY on June 30, 2012, 09:01:33 PM
championship result; l'stone 1-12 b'holland 1-10

draw for 2nd rd;

longstone v burren
clonduff v b'ford
kilcoo v c'wellan
m'bridge v saval


back door draw;

rostrevor v kilclief
b'holland v leitrim
l'island v downpatrick
shamrocks v an riocht

ties played over wkend of 10-12th aug
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Post by: here comes 6 on July 01, 2012, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on June 30, 2012, 06:51:53 PM

Declan Moore R.I.P, sad to hear another Gael gone before his time
A gentleman on and off the field and something that cant be said about all referees is that Everyone had a smile on their face when they seen him coming to ref a game as he didnt look down on anyone or any club.

R.I.P Decky
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Post by: Minus15 on July 01, 2012, 10:24:52 PM
RIP Declan Moore
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Post by: thewobbler on July 01, 2012, 10:30:23 PM
I'm not as good at these things as I used to be, but doesn't the fact that we're in an Ulster final mean we're also in the final 12, and getting a day out at Croke after the final?

Staying in your provincial championship is definitely a much easier path to get there. It's been so long I'm actually confused.
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Post by: here comes 6 on July 02, 2012, 12:17:40 AM
Wobbler we will be back in Croke because we are going to beat Donegal. Did you hear Martin Mchugh (not that he hasnt a clue)to-night?  "Whos going to stop Donegal?"   See you in 3 weeks Martin
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Post by: western exile on July 02, 2012, 06:36:03 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 01, 2012, 10:30:23 PM
I'm not as good at these things as I used to be, but doesn't the fact that we're in an Ulster final mean we're also in the final 12, and getting a day out at Croke after the final?

Staying in your provincial championship is definitely a much easier path to get there. It's been so long I'm actually confused.
It is correct to say that Down are in the last 12 now.  There is a big difference in making it to a provincial final as the losing finalists skip a qualifier round and go into Round 4, whereas losing semi-finalists go into Round 2.
However, there is no guarantee that a Round 4 game will be played at Croke Park, but a quarter final almost certainly will be.
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Post by: lucan on July 02, 2012, 09:04:33 PM
div 3 drumgath 1   14   darragh cross 1  10
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Post by: dundroma on July 04, 2012, 12:01:54 AM
Can anyone tell me what club "Neill Cousins" belong to Thanks
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Post by: maldini on July 04, 2012, 10:58:50 AM
An Riocht
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Post by: wildrover on July 04, 2012, 12:31:33 PM
A good SF championship draw where all 8 games should be competitive this time round. There are a few stand-out ties (both East-Down derby games, the Saval v Mayobridge derby and the Clonduff v Bryansford game) where the spectators should get their money's worth...

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Post by: CitySlicker11 on July 04, 2012, 12:39:38 PM
Anyone able to shed any light on the score in the challenge game played between Antrim and Down last night at Carryduff?
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Post by: supersub on July 04, 2012, 01:18:52 PM
 2-14 to 1-7 - Benny and Arthur goal scorers. Dan, Doyle and Maginn played also.

In other news the big four have been kept apart very nicely in the championship is my view..........

And finally are there league tables anywhere??
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Post by: thewobbler on July 04, 2012, 01:34:55 PM
Quote from: dundroma on July 04, 2012, 12:01:54 AM
Can anyone tell me what club "Neill Cousins" belong to Thanks
I'm pretty sure he's An Riocht
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Post by: whitegoodman on July 04, 2012, 01:37:00 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 04, 2012, 01:18:52 PM
2-14 to 1-7 - Benny and Arthur goal scorers. Dan, Doyle and Maginn played also.

In other news the big four have been kept apart very nicely in the championship is my view..........

And finally are there league tables anywhere??

I would call it a big 3 at the minute.  With the amount of men Bryansford have away, they are not at the same level as the other 3 at the moment imo.

Kilcoo/Burren
Mayobridge
Byransford/Clonduff
Everyone else
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Post by: supersub on July 04, 2012, 01:40:37 PM
Fair enough. Do the bridge not have a fair few away as well? Would they not be on a par?
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Post by: whitegoodman on July 04, 2012, 01:44:53 PM
They have 4 or 5 away from what i hear including brady and quinn although the could be back for the latter round of the championship.

With Grant and Woods especially not getting any younger they are very relient on Coulter being fit and firing.  Not the team the once were and dont hold the same fear from teams as they once did but on their day they could beat anyone but just dont think they could do it consistently over a whole championship campaign imo.
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Post by: wildrover on July 04, 2012, 01:53:10 PM
For what its worth my club rankings for the top teams in Down currently would be (Space between tiers denotes gap between teams):

Burren

Kilcoo


Mayobridge

Bryansford
Clonduff/Castlewellan/Longstone
Ballyholland/Saval/Rostrevor
Downpatrick/An Riocht/Annaclone/Warrenpoint
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Post by: DownFanatic on July 04, 2012, 02:17:28 PM
Annaclone and Warrenpoint are the top two teams in Division 2 at the moment and both are in the IFC this year. Would be great if they were kept apart in the draw and met in the Final.
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Post by: whitegoodman on July 04, 2012, 09:18:08 PM
Mayobridge bt clonduff tonight in an entertaining game. Bridge went 7 or 8 up, clonduff came back to be leading by a point and bridge finished with 1 2 to win it.

More disappointingly Conor Garvey was playing which looks bleak for the ulster final.
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Post by: SHEEDY on July 04, 2012, 09:37:14 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 04, 2012, 09:18:08 PM
Mayobridge bt clonduff tonight in an entertaining game. Bridge went 7 or 8 up, clonduff came back to be leading by a point and bridge finished with 1 2 to win it.

More disappointingly Conor Garvey was playing which looks bleak for the ulster final.
ft mayobridge 4-10  clonduff 2-12
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Post by: Leonardo on July 04, 2012, 09:53:34 PM
Con Reynolds played a BLINDer
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Post by: urbangael on July 04, 2012, 10:26:26 PM
Quote from: lucan on July 02, 2012, 09:04:33 PM
div 3 drumgath 1   14   darragh cross 1  10

Whats the situation in div 3 Lucan?? Are Glassdrumman and Drumgath setting the pace again??  Is it still the usual suspects carrying Drumgath like Lynch Sheeran and Downey?
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Post by: here comes 6 on July 04, 2012, 10:41:56 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 04, 2012, 09:37:14 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 04, 2012, 09:18:08 PM
Mayobridge bt clonduff tonight in an entertaining game. Bridge went 7 or 8 up, clonduff came back to be leading by a point and bridge finished with 1 2 to win it.

More disappointingly Conor Garvey was playing which looks bleak for the ulster final.
ft mayobridge 4-10  clonduff 2-12
Why does it look bleak because garvey was playing?  Sure final not for 18 days yet
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Post by: angermanagement on July 04, 2012, 11:01:45 PM
In Irish News tomorrow that Garvey misses final will be a big miss.
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Post by: whitegoodman on July 04, 2012, 11:42:48 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on July 04, 2012, 10:41:56 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 04, 2012, 09:37:14 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 04, 2012, 09:18:08 PM
Mayobridge bt clonduff tonight in an entertaining game. Bridge went 7 or 8 up, clonduff came back to be leading by a point and bridge finished with 1 2 to win it.

More disappointingly Conor Garvey was playing which looks bleak for the ulster final.
ft mayobridge 4-10  clonduff 2-12
Why does it look bleak because garvey was playing?  Sure final not for 18 days yet

Coulter, o hagen and Carr were not allowed to play whereas mcconville and garvey were. Mcconville being on the periphery of the team is understandable but it wouldnt have taken a genius to work out what it meant when garvey was playing!!!
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Post by: here comes 6 on July 04, 2012, 11:57:02 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on July 04, 2012, 11:01:45 PM
In Irish News tomorrow that Garvey misses final will be a big miss.

This baffles me for the cccc to take action they have to ask the ref till review the game and ask him does he think an incident needs to be reviewed further.  So Duffy has said that it does need to be reviewed.  What planet is the man on?  Hes a disgrace to our association and should now be down graded til at least go-games in his local area again at best..
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Post by: passedit on July 05, 2012, 01:31:00 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on July 04, 2012, 11:57:02 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on July 04, 2012, 11:01:45 PM
In Irish News tomorrow that Garvey misses final will be a big miss.

This baffles me for the cccc to take action they have to ask the ref till review the game and ask him does he think an incident needs to be reviewed further.  So Duffy has said that it does need to be reviewed.  What planet is the man on?  Hes a disgrace to our association and should now be down graded til at least go-games in his local area again at best..

The fact that he played last night would indicate to me that Down have decided to take their medicine (and are thankful that it is a small dose). Lucky boy it's not three months.

There's me talking bollox then
http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=172731 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=172731)

Apart from my last sentence that is.
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Post by: RadioGAAGAA on July 06, 2012, 07:22:24 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on July 04, 2012, 11:57:02 PM
This baffles me for the cccc to take action they have to ask the ref till review the game and ask him does he think an incident needs to be reviewed further.  So Duffy has said that it does need to be reviewed.  What planet is the man on?  Hes a disgrace to our association and should now be down graded til at least go-games in his local area again at best..

To be honest I thought it was a stamp* and if I was on the CCCC, I would have been looking for a ban.


*a very awkward stamp - I think he realises the stupidity of what he is doing halfway through and tries to stop - but still - a stamp.
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Post by: extra time on July 06, 2012, 08:27:59 PM
does anyone know if the clann na banna v kilclief game is on tonight.
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Post by: umpire on July 06, 2012, 09:39:37 PM
Div 1
Burren 2.8 Kilcoo 0.12
Castlewellan 0.8 Longstone 1.10
Bryansford 0.12 Ballyhollland 1.6
Downpatrick 0.6 Saval 2.9
Clonduff 2.13 Mayobridge 4.10 (Wed)

Div 2
Warrenpoint 1.9 Loughinisland 2.3
Newry Shamrocks 0.10 Rostrevor 3.18
Liatriom 3.6 Annaclone 1.9
Carryduff  2.7 An Riocht 1.11
Monday evening  Rostrevor v Warrenpoint = fireworks!!

Div 3
Attical 2.11 Ardglass 2.6
Drumaness 1.9 St Johns 1.10
Ballymartin 1.5 Saul 1.5
Bosco 0.9 Drumgath 2.14
Glasdrumman 2.12 Glenn 0.5

Div 4
Aughlisnafinn 0.10 St Pauls 2.11
Dromara 1.8 Mitchels 0.8
St Micheals 1.6 Dundrum 1.18
Aghaderg 1.17 Ballykinlar 0.8
Teconnaught 0.9 Bredagh 1.12


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Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on July 07, 2012, 12:05:14 AM
We were 4 points down at half time to a much improved Finn outfit.. Second half we played the best football we have played all year!! Two wins in a row!!
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Post by: lucan on July 07, 2012, 01:51:34 AM
to urban gael. thanks for the interest.sheerin is no longer in ireland. downey and lynch are playing well but the appointment of justin lynch as manager and the talent of a great young panel have paid dividens. here;s to the play off;s.
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Post by: weebob on July 07, 2012, 10:24:38 AM
 Not much chat out of mid down gael after last nights game!  ;)
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 07, 2012, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: weebob on July 07, 2012, 10:24:38 AM
Not much chat out of mid down gael after last nights game!  ;)
Only getting the chance to post now. Burren deservedly won last nights encounter and proved they are the top team yet again. Although both sides where missing key players, Burren 8 and Kilcoo 5, the strength in depth of the Burren squad told as their replacements are more accomplished players than what we had.
The two goals in the first half where crucial, eamon toner and paudie Poland scoring one each and providing the final pass to each other on each occasion.
Disappointed with our display and some of the changes that where made, and although defeated we had strong individual efforts from Gary and Nial McEvoy, Darragh Ohanlon and Donal Kane in the second half.
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Post by: knockitdown on July 09, 2012, 10:09:58 PM
Drumgath beat Ballymartin by 3 tonyt
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Post by: general on July 09, 2012, 10:52:44 PM
Glenn beat attical by 3 or 4
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Post by: DownFanatic on July 09, 2012, 11:14:34 PM
Duns bate Fin to make it 15 wins out of 15 games in the basement.
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Post by: supersub on July 10, 2012, 09:12:58 AM
Rostrevor beat the Point by 10.
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Post by: knockitdown on July 10, 2012, 10:13:31 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 10, 2012, 09:12:58 AM
Rostrevor beat the Point by 10.

Any match report supersub?
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Post by: Down Follower on July 10, 2012, 11:10:10 AM
Warrenpoint's winning streak came to an end in spectacular fashion as Rostrevor turned on the style to ease to a ten-point derby win at Pettit Park on Monday evening. A devastating second-half performance saw the Reds pull clear from the Blues after a tough opening to the contest which had both teams finding the net as the lead changed hands more than once. The conditions didn't help the sides in playing their respective brands of football and errors and frees were commonplace for most of the clash, but the rivalry between the two clubs means that Rostrevor's supporters will be delighted at seeing their side run out comfortable winners in the end.

Damian Magee opened the scoring from a placed-ball in the opening minute, with Adrian Mackin doubling the Rostrevor lead, on the turn, three minutes later. It took the Blues all of those minutes to settle and it was Ryan Boyle who steadied the ship with a fine point from the right side. The wet conditions meant that the forwards, on both sides, could earn frees close to goal and the gradual arrival of Warrenpoint into the contest saw them force themselves ahead by the 17th minute; Ross McGarry splitting the posts twice from frees. The weight of possession that the 'Point enjoyed at midfield allowed for a steady supply of ball into the lively forward-line in the opening half and they continued to impress. Gary Morgan fisted over with Caolan McLaughlin adding a further score to have the scores at 0-5 to 0-2 in favour of Warrenpoint entering the final ten minutes of the half.

Rostrevor were struggling to match the intensity shown by their neighbours in the middle-third but fortune favoured them in those moments approching the interval. Shaun Parr and McGarry traded scores before the Reds landed 1-2 without reply. Declan Magee narrowed the gap with a superb effort from near the endline before Warrenpoint's resistance was wore down in the most cruel manner. Damian Magee's free was dropping short only to be directed to the net past 'Point keeper Gary McMahon, by an unfortunate deflection. The same man added an excellent point from the left wing in injury time to leave Rostrevor with an unlikely two-point advantage at the break.

HALF TIME - ROSTREVOR 1-05 - 0-06 WARRENPOINT

The match remained close in the early stages of the half with Ross McGarry and Adrian Mackin scoring a free each by the 35th minute. It was then that Warrenpoint's Ryan Boyle scored what seemed to be a crucial goal for the visitors. Dribbling superbly upfield, he exchanged passes with John Boyle before slamming the ball into the far corner of Brendan O'Hare's net to give the Blues their lead back; 1-7 to 1-6. That was as good as it would get for Warrenpoint, however, as Rostrevor took over to blitz their rivals for the remainder of the contest. The change in the balance of play was indicated by six unanswered points for the Reds in the seven minutes after the goal. Declan Magee levelled the scores with an effort from close in, with Adrian Mackin's two frees placing Rostrevor into what proved to be the decisive lead in the match. Christopher Magee and John Fegan, from another dead-ball, saw Rostrevor move four in front; Mackin then pointing from play to extend the lead further.

Ross McGarry's free kept Blue hopes alive with 13 minutes remaining and, with Adrian Mackin and Ryan Mallon scoring at both ends, Warrenpoint still retained some belief with five minutes left on the clock; that belief was relying more on the Point grabbing an unlikely second goal though. As it transpired, Rostrevor powered home with a succession of scores in the final minutes. The excellent Mackin brought his tally to eight points with two quality scores as the Reds' put the seal on a fantastic second half with a Brian Cole goal; Cole benefitting under the high ball to slide the ball under McMahon in the 57th minute. Shaun Parr's point saw the lead stretched out to ten points by the full-time whistle as the Warrenpoint men fell to only their second defeat of the season; and their second to their near-neighbours. The result does see the Blues remain at the top of the table on score difference ahead of Annaclone, but it also sees Rostrevor gain some vital ground in the title race.
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Post by: supersub on July 10, 2012, 04:37:10 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on July 10, 2012, 10:13:31 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 10, 2012, 09:12:58 AM
Rostrevor beat the Point by 10.

Any match report supersub?

We were good, they were v poor, for more info see above!! :-)
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Post by: eachaidh on July 12, 2012, 12:34:08 PM
Hi everyone,

Sorry to hijack the thread but please bear with me!

I have been made aware of a study that the University of Ulster are currently carrying out into defibrillators in the GAA. It's an all-Ireland study that is based on line.

As this is such an important and emotive subject for many of us Gaels I thought that I should try to get the word out so that as many of us as possible participate in order to make the results more reliable. The link is below and I would encourage everyone to take the 5 minutes and complete the form. The idea is to get a picture of where we are at as an organisation with the provision of this life saving equipment.

I should state that this is not my study and I am not involved in it other than that I know the people carrying it out. But on their behalf I would like to thank everyone who does fill it out in advance. Your help will be greatly appreciated and hopefully will help the GAA and all of our members. Getting this information may eventually even help to save lives.

Go raibh maith agat!

Link Below:

https://edu.surveygizmo.com/s3/971431/CRP-Defibrillators-Survey (https://edu.surveygizmo.com/s3/971431/CRP-Defibrillators-Survey)
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Post by: Mourne Rover on July 13, 2012, 02:39:01 PM
The collapse of Garvey's appeal against suspension is a blow, as he has been our most consistent and reliable defender over a number of seasons, but at least it removes any uncertainty over team selection. Barring some unexpected legal intervention, big Dan will be expected to return at full back and take on Murphy, with McArdle switching to the corner against McFadden and McCartan in the other corner marking McBrearty. The half back line should then be Brannigan, McKernan and O'Hagan.

McCartan would be a little fortunate to get the nod after his struggles against Monaghan, but he was probably carrying an injury that day and his experience will be vital at Clones. While it would be brilliant if Doyle is fit to start, possibly allowing McKernan to switch to a free role, it would be taking a huge chance and he is more likely to appear after the break.

Our midfield and half forward line looks reasonably settled, but only Laverty can be sure of his place in the full forward line. If Benny is anywhere close to 100 per cent, he will be in there as well, although we would get a tremendous lift if he was thrown in on the second half. Maginn has been a regular choice when injury free, so he will probably get a start as well.

James does like to throw in the odd surprise, and, with all the pressure on Donegal, he is entitled to keep them guessing,, but hopefully we see a team named by Thursday night.
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Post by: general on July 13, 2012, 06:50:49 PM
Niall mcparland is getting intense physio on his hand atm, cast off monday past and he is being rushed back..
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Post by: 5 Sams on July 13, 2012, 07:14:55 PM
Hearing worrying rumours that Danny Hughes is out :(
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Post by: southdown on July 14, 2012, 09:23:40 AM
Whats this about Hughes?  Would be a huge loss.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on July 14, 2012, 02:03:43 PM
Our minor hurlers have gone four up midway through the second half in the Ulster final reply against Antrim
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Post by: Mourne Rover on July 14, 2012, 02:13:37 PM
Minor hurlers five up going into injury time at Casement
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Post by: Mourne Rover on July 14, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
Down win Ulster minor hurling title by three points at Casement. A fantastic achievement and the first time we have lifted the cup since 1994,  which was also the year of our last USC football title - an omen ?
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Post by: Lecale2 on July 14, 2012, 02:25:03 PM
Well done lads!!  :)
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Post by: Lecale2 on July 14, 2012, 02:48:39 PM
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Post by: EagleLord on July 14, 2012, 06:55:49 PM
Great to see! Well done lads! Need to get more clubs to line out hurling teams in the county.
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Post by: Square Ball on July 14, 2012, 07:53:45 PM
anyone got the Minor hurling squad and clubs they played for from todays game?
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Post by: Faceinthecrowd on July 14, 2012, 10:15:40 PM
Minor hurling team
1. Sean savage (portaferry)
2. Conor Costello (bredagh)
3. James McGrath (ballygalget)
4. Caolan taggert (portaferry)
5. Ryan brannigan (clonduff)
6. Gareth o,neill (portaferry)
7. John McManus (ballygalget)
8. Chris Egan (ballycran)
9. Lorcan McMullan (bredagh)
10. Sean o,Callaghan (Carryduff)
11. Conor o,neill (portaferry)
12. Caolan bailie (ballygalget)
13. Eoghan sands (portaferry)
14. Myles Nicholson (ballycran)
17. Rory burns (castlewellan)

Fairly sure that was the starting team but stand to be corrected. Sean o'callaghan off in first half and sean mageen (portaferry) on and Gareth lynch (Carryduff) on for Rory burns.

First class performance by the lads, they are a credit to the county. Should have won it last week but made no mistake today, great passion and desire to win shown all over the field. Well done to all involved.

I believe next up is Wexford in the AI QF on saturday 28th or Sunday 29th July, venue tbc........Down Abu!
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Post by: Square Ball on July 15, 2012, 09:14:45 PM
Down GAA fixtures
#downgaafixtures

Saturday July 21st (5pm)

ACPRL Div 1
Carryduff V Mayobridge
Castlewellan V Burren
Rostrevor V Bryansford
Loughinisland V An Ríocht
Clonduff V Kilcoo

ACPRL Div 2
Kilcoo Owen Roes V Tullylish
Liatroim V Downpatrick
Ballyholland V Clann na Banna
Warrenpoint V Bredagh
Saval V Annaclone

Monday July 23rd (7.30pm)

O'Neills All-County Football Leagues

ACFL Div 1
Bryansford V Longstone
Kilcoo V Saval
Castlewellan V Clonduff
Burren V Ballyholland
Downpatrick V Mayobridge

ACFL Div 2
Clann na Banna V Rostrevor
An Ríocht V Loughinisland
Shamrocks V Liatroim
Carryduff V Kilclief
Warrenpoint V Annaclone


ACFL Div 3
DarraghCross v Glenn
St John Bosco v Saul
Atticall v Drumgath
Drumaness v Tullylish
Ballymartin v St. Johns
Glasdrumman v Ardglass

ACFL Div 4
Teconnaught V St Paul's
Aughlisnafin V Mitchels
Aghaderg V Dundrum
St Michael's V Dromara
Bright V Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 16, 2012, 08:51:34 AM
Quote from: Faceinthecrowd on July 14, 2012, 10:15:40 PM
Minor hurling team
1. Sean savage (portaferry)
2. Conor Costello (bredagh)
3. James McGrath (ballygalget)
4. Caolan taggert (portaferry)
5. Ryan brannigan (clonduff)
6. Gareth o,neill (portaferry)
7. John McManus (ballygalget)
8. Chris Egan (ballycran)
9. Lorcan McMullan (bredagh)
10. Sean o,Callaghan (Carryduff)
11. Conor o,neill (portaferry)
12. Caolan bailie (ballygalget)
13. Eoghan sands (portaferry)
14. Myles Nicholson (ballycran)
17. Rory burns (castlewellan)

Fairly sure that was the starting team but stand to be corrected. Sean o'callaghan off in first half and sean mageen (portaferry) on and Gareth lynch (Carryduff) on for Rory burns.

First class performance by the lads, they are a credit to the county. Should have won it last week but made no mistake today, great passion and desire to win shown all over the field. Well done to all involved.

I believe next up is Wexford in the AI QF on saturday 28th or Sunday 29th July, venue tbc........Down Abu!


Great win for them with some good hurlers amongst them. Watched them train the other night and one of the bigger Down minor teams I've seen in a few years.
Strange positioning of a few from what they'd play with their clubs, but if it strikes a balance and works then so be it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 16, 2012, 10:08:18 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 16, 2012, 08:53:44 AM
Bailie and Lorcan McMullan are two crackers.

Can any of the Bredagh lads confirm that Lorcan is Lorenzo's son?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 16, 2012, 10:46:40 AM
Lorcan is indeed Lorenzos son, and i agree with HS, two cracking players indeed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on July 16, 2012, 11:02:55 AM
Fairly kind qualifier draw for Down should we suffer the defeat to Donegal that is widely predicted. In that eventuality, a win over either Antrim or Tipperary would see us back to Croke Park in the quarter finals!...

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 16, 2012, 11:32:06 AM
yes we can have no excuses if we dont get to an All Ireland QF, I dont think we will need the qualifier route. We can beat doengal on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 16, 2012, 11:16:30 PM
Paddy Power betting on 2012 Down Senior Football championship

Burren 15/8
Mayobridge 11/4
Kilcoo 7/2
Bryansford 9/2
Castlewellan 10/1
Clonduff 12/1
Saval 16/1
Longstone 18/1
Rostrevor 40/1
Ballyholland 40/1
An Riocht 40/1
Loughinisland 50/1
Liatriom 60/1
Downpatrick 125/1
Shamrocks 150/1
Kilclief 150/1


p.s
Best wishes to Down in Ulster Senior Football Final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 17, 2012, 12:12:32 AM
That 7/2 on ourselves is very tempting I must say. But all the big money will be on Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on July 17, 2012, 09:52:20 AM
12/1 on Clonduff looks an interesting bet??  Worth a punt of a Tenner???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 17, 2012, 10:48:53 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on July 17, 2012, 09:52:20 AM
12/1 on Clonduff looks an interesting bet??  Worth a punt of a Tenner???

No

There are only 3 teams that can win the Down championship and Clonduff are not one of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 323232 on July 17, 2012, 04:56:40 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tom Morgan on July 18, 2012, 09:43:36 AM
Folks I just wanted to inform you of our upcoming Event

For the second year The Michaela Foundation and Tullylish GAC have come together to promote their Joint Golf Classic.

This year the event will be held at Banbridge Golf Club on Friday the 3rd of August.

The cost to participate is £160.00 per fourball team, the price includes a meal in the clubhouse after your round as well as refreshments on the course. First prize is a one night stay and a round of golf for four at the fabulous Carton House resort in Co. Kildare.

There will be various spot prizes for nearest the pin and longest drive as well as a 'beat the pro-golfer' competition on one of the par three holes.

Prize giving will be held at Banbridge Golf Club later that evening where some wonderful prizes will be up for auction also.

Tee and Green Sponsorship is available at £75.00 per tee and Green or £100.00 for both.

This promises to be a fabulous day at a wonderful golf course and we look forward to seeing you there on the 3rd of August.

Tee times have already begun to fill up so to reserve your tee time please contact Tom Morgan on +44 (0) 7866445504.

For further information please contact Tom Morgan or visit www.themichaelafoundation.com or www.tulachlisgac.com

By the way good luck to Down on Sunday!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Catch the high ball on July 19, 2012, 10:03:47 PM
Down team named to play Donegal

1 Brendan Mc Veigh

2 Daniel Mc Cartan 3 Brendan Mc Cardle 4 Darren O Hagan

5 Daniel Hughes 6 Dan Gordon 7 Aidan Brannagan

8 Ambrose Rodgers 9 Kevin Mc Kernan

10 Donal O Hare 11 Mark Poland 12 Aidan Carr

13 Brendan Coulter 14 Conor Laverty 15 Eoin mc Cartan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 19, 2012, 10:19:40 PM
Quote from: Catch the high ball on July 19, 2012, 10:03:47 PM
Down team named to play Donegal

1 Brendan Mc Veigh

2 Daniel Mc Cartan 3 Brendan Mc Cardle 4 Darren O Hagan

5 Daniel Hughes 6 Dan Gordon 7 Aidan Brannagan

8 Ambrose Rodgers 9 Kevin Mc Kernan

10 Donal O Hare 11 Mark Poland 12 Aidan Carr

13 Brendan Coulter 14 Conor Laverty 15 Eoin mc Cartan
seems a bit strange to drop king. interesting line up if they play as selected and if its the team that starts. hope it works.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 19, 2012, 11:15:16 PM
It is amazing to see so many changes from the side which dominated the second half against Monaghan. If there were to be switches, most people would have expected to see a couple of defensively minded players moved into the attack. Instead we have named seven forwards and two attacking midfielders. It is possible that James has come up with an unusual strategy to cope with the Donegal blanket, but it is more likely that the mind games are under way and the actual starting line-up has yet to be revealed.


Kallum King was excellent against Fermanagh, struggled early on against Monaghan but was completely dominant after the break, so dropping him is a bolt from the blue. There may be some concerns about his pace, but his ball-winning ability is outstanding and his discipline rock solid, so it is hard to believe that he will not start.


McKernan has plenty of speed and is well capable of pushing up to support the attack but he is not a natural midfielder any more than Danny Hughes is a wing half back or Donal O'Hare is a wing half forward. There will be an obvious theory that big Dan will go to full back and Liam Doyle come in at centre half, but James seems determined to keep the opposition guessing



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 19, 2012, 11:43:56 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on July 19, 2012, 11:15:16 PM
It is amazing to see so many changes from the side which dominated the second half against Monaghan. If there were to be switches, most people would have expected to see a couple of defensively minded players moved into the attack. Instead we have named seven forwards and two attacking midfielders. It is possible that James has come up with an unusual strategy to cope with the Donegal blanket, but it is more likely that the mind games are under way and the actual starting line-up has yet to be revealed.


Kallum King was excellent against Fermanagh, struggled early on against Monaghan but was completely dominant after the break, so dropping him is a bolt from the blue. There may be some concerns about his pace, but his ball-winning ability is outstanding and his discipline rock solid, so it is hard to believe that he will not start.


McKernan has plenty of speed and is well capable of pushing up to support the attack but he is not a natural midfielder any more than Danny Hughes is a wing half back or Donal O'Hare is a wing half forward. There will be an obvious theory that big Dan will go to full back and Liam Doyle come in at centre half, but James seems determined to keep the opposition guessing

the first casualty in war is the truth..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on July 20, 2012, 02:32:49 AM
Leave out Eoin Mc Cartan,move Conor Lavery into the corner, and play Kalum King at FF, then this team will ask Donegal some serious questions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 20, 2012, 10:23:14 AM
I would be expecting to see something along these lines

Mcveigh
D McCartan
Gordon
Mcardle
Ohagen
Mckernan
Brannigan
King
Rodgers
Hughes (maginn if injured)
Poland
Carr
Coulter
Laverty
Ohare

I wouldn't expect Doyle to start, wouldn't expect hughes to start in defence, mckernan at midfield , ohare at half forward or Gordon at half back.

I will also eat my hat if king doesn't start at midfield unless injured. If the named team is the team that starts James has taken a huge and unnecessary risk, the biggest of his reign. Can't see it though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on July 20, 2012, 03:39:49 PM
Too many weak links in the the down starting team..... The biggest one being Dan McCartan.  I fear his lack of pace could be telling!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 20, 2012, 04:54:53 PM
drove home through annaclone today. what a sight, red and black everywhere. puts most of the rest of the county to shame.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 20, 2012, 07:55:52 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 20, 2012, 10:23:14 AM
I would be expecting to see something along these lines

Mcveigh
D McCartan
Gordon
Mcardle
Ohagen
Mckernan
Brannigan
King
Rodgers
Hughes (maginn if injured)
Poland
Carr
Coulter
Laverty
Ohare

I wouldn't expect Doyle to start, wouldn't expect hughes to start in defence, mckernan at midfield , ohare at half forward or Gordon at half back.

I will also eat my hat if king doesn't start at midfield unless injured. If the named team is the team that starts James has taken a huge and unnecessary risk, the biggest of his reign. Can't see it though

Hearing strong rumours that king is indeed dropped and mckernan will play midfield. Anybody got a hat??

Also hearing Doyle may start in the forward line in Danny is out. Could be a load of balls for all I no.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 20, 2012, 10:06:43 PM
It's all guesswork if you are outside the camp but dropping King would be the strangest decision James has made in his time in charge. Perhaps there was a feeling that Gallagher's injury means that Donegal will field a more mobile midfield, which might leave King struggling for pace, but he has been so central to our best moments in the league and championship this season that it is hard to believe he could be left out for tactical reasons. If the rumours about another hamstring problem for Hughes have substance, the team named on Thursday night might be just a ploy anyway.

There are strong suggestions that Doyle is not only fit but flying, and he could come into either the half back or half forward line. O'Hare looks a highly unlikely wing forward and he might either replace Eoin McCartan or switch to the bench, leaving McKernan  with a free role and hopefully King back where he belongs in the middle.

No matter what happens now, it is brilliant to see Down back in a final and even better that we are regarded as rank outsiders. The weather forcecast looks reasonable. Benny and big Dan are back, and destiny awaits us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 20, 2012, 10:59:17 PM
I really hope that Danny Hughes is not injured. Has anyone actually been told thsi or is it a pure guess based on his strange listed position? Danny would be vital to the game. He will track back to blunt Donegal counter attacks and will carry the ball into the donegal defence to puch them back. Without him I would fear for our chances.

Also unless King is injured I would have thought playing our best midfield would be the best option. We could make it a dominant area for us and use it to control the game. King plays best when Ambrose is on form as was shown in the 2nd half against Monaghan (and also shown by his poorseason last year when Ambrose was out). Why reduce the quality of what could be our strongest area? I don't see the sense.

WhiteGM, as you are a Burren man I presume the info you heard about McKernan starting midfield hascomefrom your club collegues and I guess that gives it some credibility. It does make me worry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 20, 2012, 11:12:50 PM
The info I'm getting isnt from a burren man but would usually be a reliable source. The basic info was the following

Hughes is out
king is dropped
mckernan midfield
Doyle to start corner forward coming out

I like yous would be surprised and disappointed if some of the above is true but as I've said the source is usually reliable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 20, 2012, 11:30:57 PM
Don't think it's the place to be writing and giving away team news on here (if true). There will be 15 v 15 and whatever personnel are selected I'm sure the management believe its our best team to beat Donegal. There has to be horses for courses sometimes but if people are in the know it is not the place to broadcast it 2 days prior to an ulster final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 20, 2012, 11:49:58 PM
Do u really think Jim and his backroom team take notice of rumours posted on message boards??

As u said its 15 versus 15 and horses for courses so why down couldn't name the actual team like most of the top teams do instead of trying meaningless mind games I don't no
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 21, 2012, 09:11:27 PM
Like a wake on here! We will do our talking on the field. A lot of karma suggests we will win. A lot of bookies suggest Tir Connail. Ah well, we'll give it a lash - Up Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Crossman on July 22, 2012, 08:52:46 AM
For the life of me I just can't see the justification for starting Dan McCartney today at corner back,seems no matter how many howlers this man has it's continually overlooked. He was poor v Monaghan and ritely taken off just in time,he was awful v Sligo in challenge game recently and poor when he came on v Meath last week,and has anyone forgotten the performances v cork earlier this year? I'm sure jim McGuinness hasn't and I'm sure he was very pleased when he looked at our teamsheet...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 22, 2012, 09:30:16 AM
Dan McCartan has had some excellent performances this season, including against Dublin and Fermanagh. He has his strengths and weaknesses, like all our defenders, but his experience and organisational skill could be crucial today. We should be getting behind all our players in the run-up to the game and assessing them afterward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on July 22, 2012, 07:03:48 PM
We were blown away by a far surperior team in the second half but some of our choices in the first half when we were well incontention point to where our problems really lie, notably Kevin McKernan's continued proneness to turn-over ball leading to 3 points in a row for Donegal, Dan McCartan's "accident waiting to happen" every time (nice guy, legendary family, but time to get the blinkers off), no physicality around the breaking ball (Poland is a gem but he will not win "dirty ball"), and with Laverty on fire in the championship he practically played as a half back!!! - hence no real threat on the Donegal goal and Durkan never touched leather in the first half other than kick-outs.
McGuinness won all the calls.
A lot of work to do and Tipp will not fear us at all.
The unsung heroes of 2010 (Rooney & Rafferty) are badly missed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 22, 2012, 08:32:19 PM
Disappointing

Played ok for 40 mins but lost shape, discipline, heart and spirit after the 2nd goal went in.

Mcveigh was ok, kick outs could have been a bit quicker and he was at fault for at least one score with a bad kick out but generally ok.

Thought the 2 dans performed admirably until the last 10 mins when the game was over and McFadden took out.

Hard to no how brannigan, ohagen, Carr and mcardle went as they seemed to be overrun for a lot of the second half. I certainly wouldn't have subbed Carr at the time. Also when playing a team like Donegal u need ur half backs to be comfortable on the ball and unfortunately brannigan isn't. A couple of his up n unders were embarrassing to be frank.

Ambrose Did well in first half but tired, king wasn't really in the game and could have been replaced.

Poland tried and was probably one of the better players.  Mckernan was poor and am not sure where he lies at this stage.  Doyle did a lot of things well but clearly tired, lost McGinnis for the goal and missed an easy free which was very important at the time.

Laverty wasn't in the game much probably due to him being out the field too much. Ohare did ok when he got the ball but service was lacking, wouldn't have taken him off. Benny was clearly not fit and was poor along the line bringing him off and then back on.

Apart from eoin, the subs made little impact, don't see what maginn brings to the party , especially at half back, Danny wasn't fit and spent the majority of the time in our full back line.

Bad day at the office for our management but they will have to earn their stripes this week to pick the players up for next week. Realistically we should be beating tipp and a quarter final would be another successful year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on July 22, 2012, 10:16:32 PM
Hard to not sound like Roy Keane, but time for we done ok but beat by a better team is over, We let the hype get to us.
We abanbdoned everything we done well in first half in second and resorted to put it in and hope it sticks.

Donal O'Hare should have stayed on and taking him off to be replaced by a half fit Danny Hughes was disastrous.
Dan McCartan  was cleaneed out 2nd half and lucky to stay on. Brendan McCardle was very good gopng forward on front fooot but he hadnt a clue defensively and was a weakness. We badly missed Garvey and his cutting edge.

Choc is a great lad but not county class, his hoof and hope kicks highlighted willingness but not a know how on how to use the ball.

Mc kernan was alert and willling but when is he gonna realise if he kicks it,it just might not go over,  better to take next and possibly better option.

James has an impossible task to lift them for next week  but no better man, where there is a will there is a way.

One last lash for benny and co and then it just might be a year to rememember


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 22, 2012, 10:59:06 PM
Not sure if we did let the hype to us or were simply beaten by the better team on the day. Fair enough once they got 5/6 infront down seemed to be totally overrun and it was very disappointing but maybe that is the difference, this Donegal team are in their prime and the Down team is somewhat off this pace over the course of a full championship. I think having to keep finding replacements for so many key players has taken away from what James has to work with as well. Players like Garvey Rooney M Clarke Mooney Hughes Rafferty McComiskey J Clarke are hard to replace in one go and we have basically lost all of them for part/all of this season. Doyle and Carr to an extent have been decent replacements, and Laverty has been a revelation but I feel the panel is now severely stretched in terms of reliable match winners or game changers if the first XV aren't available!

Edit - just so a certain person keeps his knickers on if he decides to come back and grace the board with his supremacy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on July 22, 2012, 11:46:14 PM
"the panel is now severely stretched in terms of reliable match winners or game changers if the first XI aren't available!"

If this is the quality of discussion on this thread, I am away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on July 23, 2012, 12:40:52 AM
Very little to add except to agree with all who say we've learned nothing from past losses. The defence was wide open today and, as with previous losses to Cork, there were a lot more goals there for the opposition if they wanted them. Aidan O'Rourke was brought in specifically to work on the defence but there's little or no sign of any system in place, and that was exposed by quality opposition today. Not in a million years would Donegal allow goals to be scored by runs straight through the middle as happened twice today. On paper we should beat Tipp but, as we know all too well from the 2010 experience against Sligo, all the advantage in the round 3 qualifiers is with the team that's built up momentum week after week.

   On a minor note I hate all this f**king about with 'mind games' in the team selection before games. I doubt Jim McGuinness was too thrown off when it was announced that, lo and behold, Kalum King and Liam Doyle would actually be starting. Don't see any point in it whatsoever, and a fat lot of good it did today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on July 23, 2012, 01:27:22 AM
Quote from: Gabriel on July 23, 2012, 12:40:52 AM
Very little to add except to agree with all who say we've learned nothing from past losses. The defence was wide open today and, as with previous losses to Cork, there were a lot more goals there for the opposition if they wanted them. Aidan O'Rourke was brought in specifically to work on the defence but there's little or no sign of any system in place, and that was exposed by quality opposition today. Not in a million years would Donegal allow goals to be scored by runs straight through the middle as happened twice today. On paper we should beat Tipp but, as we know all too well from the 2010 experience against Sligo, all the advantage in the round 3 qualifiers is with the team that's built up momentum week after week.

   On a minor note I hate all this f**king about with 'mind games' in the team selection before games. I doubt Jim McGuinness was too thrown off when it was announced that, lo and behold, Kalum King and Liam Doyle would actually be starting. Don't see any point in it whatsoever, and a fat lot of good it did today.

I think this is what annoyed me the most today, it wasn't smart diagonal balls played to the Donegal FF line that beat us or high balls in to Murphy, it was plain to see (to me anyway) that after the first goal Donegal realised that gaping hole there was right down the middle of our defence and exploted it over and over again, I was disappointed that James or bakroom team didn't spot it and/or weren't able to plug it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on July 23, 2012, 01:27:42 PM
I see the game is on saturday at 4 in Mullingar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on July 23, 2012, 02:08:24 PM
disappointing day in Clones, too many of our lads just not good enough that is the harsh reality.... how many Down players would start for Donegal??? I'd suggest 3 or 4 at a push. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on July 23, 2012, 02:56:01 PM
Just after watching the match again and it just gets worse. I left the game yesterday thinking how do we get up to that fitness.We have to many ball players and not enough dogs to do the dirty work.We have no one with the physical strength of the likes of Galvin to win dirty ball. I think we have players running about the field not actually knowing what they are doing. a prime example of this is Mc Kernan. I dont want to be always singling him out as i have said this before but i think it needs to be addressed. He was brutal yesterday and i honestly dont know how he stayed on the field for 53 mins. He gave away 3 crucial possessions which they scored from and also only half heartely contested a catch of which they scored the goal.He just ran about looking around without actually picking up anyone or even trying to stop the runner coming through the middle.People are quick to critise Choc but at least he sticks with his man and still gets up to support play. Our defenders bar O Hagan and Brannigan give the forwards to much time on the ball they are happy to jockey them instead of being in their face and not giving them a chance to pick a pass.Donegal and Dubli have taken 2 - 3 years to get up to the physical condition they are in. we need to be starting now to put these lads on a plan to build them up. There is no point waiting until January and then starting. Bring all they young lads on board and start building for the future with group sessions throught out the year instead of leaving them to do it on their own as it is plain to see it is not working.They all have to buy into this and it cant be done in half measures.There seems to be lads on that panel who are content to come along for the spin and maybe i am wrong are not pushing hard enough.There is a good fitness team in place with them but it is going to take time it cant be changed year after year just like the management team. We have come along way from James has taken over and anyone who thinks we havent is fooling themselves.We have to look beyond each individual year and plan for the long term or it will be 18 more years before we win anything
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 23, 2012, 06:33:31 PM
Better side won, no complaints, no real point in over-analyzing it lads. Donegal were just far superior in all departments.

What annoyed me was Down fans, dozens, and then into the hundreds, leaving with 15mins of the game still to play. Ridiculous. Support to the team til the whistle. Downs last point, it seemd like only me, and the 4 or 5 Down people around me applauded it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on July 23, 2012, 07:37:51 PM
Sad end to the careers of some great Down servants over the past 10yrs. They leave with reputations intact and will be fondly remembered. Now is the time to start rebuilding and develop our fringe players, beginning with the Tipp game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 23, 2012, 07:57:02 PM
Quote from: Leo on July 22, 2012, 11:46:14 PM
"the panel is now severely stretched in terms of reliable match winners or game changers if the first XI aren't available!"

If this is the quality of discussion on this thread, I am away.

Dizzy up there on that high horse? Catch yourself on, a blatant mistake, hardly a GAA beheading, don't be so small minded.

If that's your attitude good riddance and it'll be better without you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 23, 2012, 09:12:12 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on July 23, 2012, 07:37:51 PM
Sad end to the careers of some great Down servants over the past 10yrs. They leave with reputations intact and will be fondly remembered. Now is the time to start rebuilding and develop our fringe players, beginning with the Tipp game

Who's career is over though and who is better to come in?

Mcveigh - ok may come under some pressure from Harrison but wouldn't write him off.
Dan McCartan - possibly but likely to be kept on.
Hughes - injuries taking its toll, not the pace he once had but again wouldnt write him off.
Doyle - still a classy footballer but needs to stay injury free and get fitter, still a lot to offer.
Coulter - similar to Hughes, may not be what he was but what a sper sub to be able to introduce.

The rest of the panel are relatively young and I don't see a clear out of the panel.  Besides there isn't much around the county young or old to come in.  Was at the Burren and Ballyholland match and there wasn't many that stood out apart from Declan Rooney who seems to be out of favour at the minute anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 23, 2012, 09:13:03 PM
Just to note as far as I am aware Gerard McCartan has left the panel, was playing tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 23, 2012, 10:48:14 PM
Dundrum beat Aghaderg tonight in Ballyvarley to secure promotion to the new Division 2 for the 2013 season with 4 games to play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 23, 2012, 10:58:46 PM
Disappointing defeat yesterday but no time to feel sorry, let's get back at it and beat tipp and see what happens after that. We are an average side but on any given day these lads can pull of big results. A tipp victory and a hopeful quarter final against Mayo and you never no what can happen. But if we meet cork or Dublin we may say farewell.
Thought it was a disgrace to ask 3 panelists, recent call ups I must add, to make their own way to clones yesterday as there was apparently not enough room on the bus. That must gave them 3 some confidence going forward. Joke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on July 23, 2012, 11:18:14 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 23, 2012, 09:13:03 PM
Just to note as far as I am aware Gerard McCartan has left the panel, was playing tonight.
Why I wonder? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 24, 2012, 10:04:06 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 23, 2012, 10:48:14 PM
Dundrum beat Aghaderg tonight in Ballyvarley to secure promotion to the new Division 2 for the 2013 season with 4 games to play.

Did they win well?
I assume McCommiskey was the star of the show again?
how down could have done with a player of his ability yesterday. I dont know what McCartan was playing at with him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 24, 2012, 11:43:40 AM
On Saturday I was talking to an Armagh Minor's coach, He said "Down could win if they keep their discipline but they probably won't. Down are well known for losing discipline under-pressure. All county managers know that and look to exploit it. It was something that was talked about before the game last year (Armagh first-round)"

Yes I agree there were some panic substitutions on Sunday and the sideline choices did not help. But I really think the management can not be blamed. They clearly sent the team out with a plan which was to hold Donegal, Prevent attacks and space. In possession there was two tactics. If it is turnover ball inside our 45 then the strategy was to hit fast ball to Coulter and Laverty. If it was break ball around midfield then the strategy was to run at the Donegal defence laying the ball off before the challenge to gain territory. To push Donegal right back and to create a line of red around the scoring zone.

This worked well in the first half and if we had stuck to it then it would have kept us in the game right to the end. But the team went ragged. When the second goal went in and Donegal had their tails up Down should have put 13 men behind the ball, filled the space and totally prevented scores. We would certainly have got turn overs and some of these would have created chances to claw back the deficit. Instead we went ragged with everyone (McKernan in particular) running anywhere and leaving gaps all over the place. Suddenly everyone wanted to attack and just like Cork last year we left gaping holes to be exploited and allowed the opposition to humiliate us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 24, 2012, 01:06:31 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 24, 2012, 11:43:40 AM
On Saturday I was talking to an Armagh Minor's coach, He said "Down could win if they keep their discipline but they probably won't. Down are well known for losing discipline under-pressure. All county managers know that and look to exploit it. It was something that was talked about before the game last year (Armagh first-round)"

Yes I agree there were some panic substitutions on Sunday and the sideline choices did not help. But I really think the management can not be blamed. They clearly sent the team out with a plan which was to hold Donegal, Prevent attacks and space. In possession there was two tactics. If it is turnover ball inside our 45 then the strategy was to hit fast ball to Coulter and Laverty. If it was break ball around midfield then the strategy was to run at the Donegal defence laying the ball off before the challenge to gain territory. To push Donegal right back and to create a line of red around the scoring zone.

This worked well in the first half and if we had stuck to it then it would have kept us in the game right to the end. But the team went ragged. When the second goal went in and Donegal had their tails up Down should have put 13 men behind the ball, filled the space and totally prevented scores. We would certainly have got turn overs and some of these would have created chances to claw back the deficit. Instead we went ragged with everyone (McKernan in particular) running anywhere and leaving gaps all over the place. Suddenly everyone wanted to attack and just like Cork last year we left gaping holes to be exploited and allowed the opposition to humiliate us


Agree with all of this, we were like an under 12 team in the last 20 mins with every player running after the ball, hard to watch.  We lack on field leaders other than Ambrose who can see these things happening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 24, 2012, 01:07:10 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on July 23, 2012, 11:18:14 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 23, 2012, 09:13:03 PM
Just to note as far as I am aware Gerard McCartan has left the panel, was playing tonight.
Why I wonder? 

I have my suspicions but I am not going to go into them on here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 24, 2012, 01:51:54 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 24, 2012, 01:06:31 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 24, 2012, 11:43:40 AM
On Saturday I was talking to an Armagh Minor's coach, He said "Down could win if they keep their discipline but they probably won't. Down are well known for losing discipline under-pressure. All county managers know that and look to exploit it. It was something that was talked about before the game last year (Armagh first-round)"

Yes I agree there were some panic substitutions on Sunday and the sideline choices did not help. But I really think the management can not be blamed. They clearly sent the team out with a plan which was to hold Donegal, Prevent attacks and space. In possession there was two tactics. If it is turnover ball inside our 45 then the strategy was to hit fast ball to Coulter and Laverty. If it was break ball around midfield then the strategy was to run at the Donegal defence laying the ball off before the challenge to gain territory. To push Donegal right back and to create a line of red around the scoring zone.

This worked well in the first half and if we had stuck to it then it would have kept us in the game right to the end. But the team went ragged. When the second goal went in and Donegal had their tails up Down should have put 13 men behind the ball, filled the space and totally prevented scores. We would certainly have got turn overs and some of these would have created chances to claw back the deficit. Instead we went ragged with everyone (McKernan in particular) running anywhere and leaving gaps all over the place. Suddenly everyone wanted to attack and just like Cork last year we left gaping holes to be exploited and allowed the opposition to humiliate us


Agree with all of this, we were like an under 12 team in the last 20 mins with every player running after the ball, hard to watch.  We lack on field leaders other than Ambrose who can see these things happening.

I also agree with most of this but if this occurs then surely it is the managements fault? how can they not control the palyers on the pitch. Jim McGuinness doesnt have an issue with his players not following his methods. Where would defeat on saturday leave this management team? i would assume it would be the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on July 24, 2012, 05:08:21 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 24, 2012, 10:04:06 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 23, 2012, 10:48:14 PM
Dundrum beat Aghaderg tonight in Ballyvarley to secure promotion to the new Division 2 for the 2013 season with 4 games to play.

Did they win well?
I assume McCommiskey was the star of the show again?
how down could have done with a player of his ability yesterday. I dont know what McCartan was playing at with him.

What are you talking about? it was his choice not to play for Down this year...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 24, 2012, 05:52:29 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 24, 2012, 01:51:54 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 24, 2012, 01:06:31 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 24, 2012, 11:43:40 AM
On Saturday I was talking to an Armagh Minor's coach, He said "Down could win if they keep their discipline but they probably won't. Down are well known for losing discipline under-pressure. All county managers know that and look to exploit it. It was something that was talked about before the game last year (Armagh first-round)"......
Agree with all of this, we were like an under 12 team in the last 20 mins with every player running after the ball, hard to watch.  We lack on field leaders other than Ambrose who can see these things happening.

I also agree with most of this but if this occurs then surely it is the managements fault? how can they not control the palyers on the pitch. Jim McGuinness doesnt have an issue with his players not following his methods. Where would defeat on saturday leave this management team? i would assume it would be the end.

Snoopdog, firstly lets not talk about defeat on Saturday. Let's talk about beating a third division side who have only had to beat Offaly, Wexford and Antrim to get here.

As for the management controlling the players. The management can plan and prepare the players. They can tell them exactly what they want them to do. They can give the clearest instructions in the world. But the management are not out on the pitch. What is your theory exactly how CAN they control the players once they are on the pitch - that is precisely the one time they are not in control. After all the preparation is done it is up to the players to be disciplined enough to stick to the game plan. You ask why McGuinness has not got this problem, the answer is because of the players. They have chosen to keep their discipline and to stick to the plan. They stick to it even when things are looking bad. It is down to the players only.

You could see on Sunday the management had clearly sent the team out with instructions and had prepared a system to play the game. For the first half it worked excellently. But in the second half the team went ragged. You can hardly say anyone told them to do that? They did not need Rooney, Garvey or even Hughes, the players lined out were good enough as shown for the first half. Team selection is a minor issue for us. The major issue is having 15 players on the field who collectively agree to play to one system, who concentrate for 70 minutes, and who work together to follow the instructions given to them. Otherwise you could bring back Marty, Caolan, McComiskey, or whoever you like and we would still lose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 24, 2012, 07:41:06 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 24, 2012, 01:51:54 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 24, 2012, 01:06:31 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 24, 2012, 11:43:40 AM
On Saturday I was talking to an Armagh Minor's coach, He said "Down could win if they keep their discipline but they probably won't. Down are well known for losing discipline under-pressure. All county managers know that and look to exploit it. It was something that was talked about before the game last year (Armagh first-round)"

Yes I agree there were some panic substitutions on Sunday and the sideline choices did not help. But I really think the management can not be blamed. They clearly sent the team out with a plan which was to hold Donegal, Prevent attacks and space. In possession there was two tactics. If it is turnover ball inside our 45 then the strategy was to hit fast ball to Coulter and Laverty. If it was break ball around midfield then the strategy was to run at the Donegal defence laying the ball off before the challenge to gain territory. To push Donegal right back and to create a line of red around the scoring zone.

This worked well in the first half and if we had stuck to it then it would have kept us in the game right to the end. But the team went ragged. When the second goal went in and Donegal had their tails up Down should have put 13 men behind the ball, filled the space and totally prevented scores. We would certainly have got turn overs and some of these would have created chances to claw back the deficit. Instead we went ragged with everyone (McKernan in particular) running anywhere and leaving gaps all over the place. Suddenly everyone wanted to attack and just like Cork last year we left gaping holes to be exploited and allowed the opposition to humiliate us


Agree with all of this, we were like an under 12 team in the last 20 mins with every player running after the ball, hard to watch.  We lack on field leaders other than Ambrose who can see these things happening.

I also agree with most of this but if this occurs then surely it is the managements fault? how can they not control the palyers on the pitch. Jim McGuinness doesnt have an issue with his players not following his methods. Where would defeat on saturday leave this management team? i would assume it would be the end.


Snoop whilst we all would be very disappointed with how Sunday turned out we need to get a bit of perspective. This will be the third year in a row that we have at least reached the last 12, something we couldn't have dreamed of under the previous regime. We have also had 2 very respectable campaigns in division 1, again something we couldn't have dreamed of under the previous regime.

Whilst I'm am slightly disillusioned by Aidan orourkes role and would love to still have some of the previous selectors on board, I can see James getting at least another year given his record over the last 3 years no matter what happens on saturday. I do believe we will win on Saturday though.

Anyway who would u suggest take over?

Peter McGrath - no thanks
Frank Dawson - no thanks
??????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on July 24, 2012, 08:02:18 PM
havn;t read all the posts in detail .but would point out the basic problen with down is their lack of physicality. can;t compete with the big boys and this was very evident in the second half when donegal players broke tackles so easly run through the middle and left the backs so exposed . A big good one will always beat a small good one .Why can;t wee james see this.?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on July 24, 2012, 08:57:40 PM
As we head into next year Down football is in a bad place, facing a raft of retirements, no suitable replacements coming through, and a Manager who can read the writing on the Wall, and may not wish to continue. I hope he does, as he done reasonably well with limited resources. With little success at Minor or U21 level, where are the players going to come from over the next couple of years. Standards in club football are declining, and at the moment there are no players in any club with potential who are not already in the County panel. Realistically it is unlikely we can retain Div 1 status. Do the Co.Board have a plan or long term strategy. Since they have never produced one over the past 30 years, i would not be looking for succour from that quarter. Any ideas anyone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 24, 2012, 09:26:53 PM
Pangur I'm not sure what you think we'd get from a long term strategy.

St Colman's, St Mark's, both Kilkeel sides and the Abbey have produced a string of top teams in the past decade.

We've won All Ireland minors and got to finals at u21.

The juvenile success rates must be up there with the best of them bar Tyrone.

But visit the club championships next week - all 16 senior sides are in action, and you will not lay eyes on any defenders more suited to county football than those already involved. There's some very good defenders out there but none with the power or size to play at the highest level.

Which is why the lines of Carr, McKernan, Doyle, McArdle and Gordon, fellas who would feature more often in club forward lines growing up than back lines, are shoehorned into defensive roles.


To me this is a demographic anomaly that will adjust over the next few years. You can plot, plan and strategise all you like but if the clubs don't have six foot athletic defenders in their ranks, then the county isn't going to have them either.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on July 24, 2012, 09:49:18 PM
I believe that James has done a very good job so far. As has been already stated above, we have been punching above our weight for the last three years. Of course he will make mistakes and what manager doesn't? We are able to discuss the game with the benefit of hindsight - James has to make decisions in an instant.
Regarding Dan and Eoin, every manager who has a relative playing is going to get the same stick - Ross got it, Mickey Harte got it. I'm sure they are played on merit, and as most of us are not involved in the training sessions, how can we pass judgement?
As above poster says - get to the forthcoming championship games and see who stands out. I'm not sure who Burren play, but I can guarantee you that Dan in particular will give his usual steady performance. Finally, I have watched quite a few first and second division games this year and there is not that many big men around. The only player that I have thought could add to the county was Sean Parr? from rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on July 24, 2012, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 23, 2012, 10:58:46 PM
Disappointing defeat yesterday but no time to feel sorry, let's get back at it and beat tipp and see what happens after that. We are an average side but on any given day these lads can pull of big results. A tipp victory and a hopeful quarter final against Mayo and you never no what can happen. But if we meet cork or Dublin we may say farewell.
Thought it was a disgrace to ask 3 panelists, recent call ups I must add, to make their own way to clones yesterday as there was apparently not enough room on the bus. That must gave them 3 some confidence going forward. Joke.

This is an absolute disgrace.  Why take players along to training and then not to the game - i bet there were some dignatries on the bus that are no more needed than the man in the moon.  Water carriers etc on the bus and no need for it.  Let them get taken to the game by car - but god forbid the secretaries son was to be out of the picture and not on the bus to the big game. Joke.  Im not surprised gerard mc cartan has left the panel to be honest - good honest player for club and county but gets treated unfairly to say the least.  He is a much better player than niall brannigan from kilcoo - but jerome will prob have Aaron and daryl on the panel soon enough too and maybe go back for mark and Janine as well.  People talk about family loyalty on this board through James - Jerome has his fair share of family playing too.  I honestly think the lads will beat Tipp and then as someone said if we got maybe mayo we could end up in a semi final.  Think the other 3 provincial champions might be step too far this year to be honest.  Big dan also retiring this year from intercounty.  Hard to replace...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 24, 2012, 11:34:25 PM
There is a fair amount of nonsense appearing on this board and it is particularly ludicrous to talk about who might in charge of Down next year when we should be concentrating on Saturday's game. We have a management team in place who have made solid progress over the last three seasons and are one match away from another AI quarter final -  a stage we had never reached even once in the nine years of the open draw before James came in.

Hopefully Wobbler is right about the law of averages when it comes to producing defenders of the required standard. Older fans may remember when we had no less than three outstanding full-backs at the same time  in the 1980s, Tommy McGovern, Mark Turley and Paddy Kennedy, although we still went ten years without an Ulster title.

All three of those celebrated defenders retired around the same stage, but then the likes of Deegan, Higgins, Kane, Breen and later Burns and Magill came along to take their place and the rest is history. If a couple of guys of that calibre joined the existing squad, a range of possibilities would open up for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 25, 2012, 12:15:06 AM
Thewobbler and Lucan have hit the nail on the head here lads. Size, physical presence, power, ability to break a tackle, big strong men who can play football. Bottom line is we havent enough players with these attributes.

A perfect example is the 2010 All Ireland Final.Cork brought on Graham Canty, Nicholas Murphy and Colm O'Neill. We took on Conor Laverty, Conor Maginn and Rony Murtagh...excellent players....but do the math!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 25, 2012, 01:10:09 AM
To be honest I think that James McCartan has done a superb job with Down over the past three years. He has excelled with an above average but not an excellent squad of players. We will beat Tipp and I wouldn't be suprised if a last four appearance was attained.

We can analyse our current plight until the cows come home but I genuinely think that a solution to our physical limitations lies within our Development Squad structures. At the moment our U15's, U16's and U17's probably meet up for games/matches between 10 - 15 times during the year at a push. This is not near enough to extract the maximum potential from our players. However, Id probably say at the moment that 80% of the counties in Ireland are following along these lines.

If we are serious about pushing on then we need to change the current structures. In my opinion these teams need to be together all year round. Strong lines of communication need to be established between the management of each squad and associated clubs and school teams. Winter physical strength programmes need to be carried out and monitored and maintained throughout the year to compliment training and challenge games. Linkage between each management team needs established so that each squad can progress through each year group with the necessary tailored approach.

I wouldn't rule out the employment of a physical development coach for our county either. This role would involve work with the Senior, U-21, Minor and Development Squads. It would also involve the coach educating clubs and club coaches as to how best approach strength and conditioning plans for club players.

Down's underage record at Colleges and Minor/U21 level in the last decade is probably only second to Tyrone. We produce flair footballers who possess raw talent and skill. The way the modern game is going revolves around the aspect of physicality. We, like many other counties, are falling short in this respect. By improving our Development Squad system and placing a greater emphasis on the physical development of our county and club players, I have no doubt that we would be able to easily compete with the Donegal's and Dublin's of the modern era.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on July 25, 2012, 05:11:58 AM
If you want to watch athletes, then the Olympics is the place for you, i would prefer to see Footballers in Croker. To even talk about strength development for underage players is absolutely ludicrous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on July 25, 2012, 08:57:27 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on July 25, 2012, 05:11:58 AM
If you want to watch athletes, then the Olympics is the place for you, i would prefer to see Footballers in Croker. To even talk about strength development for underage players is absolutely ludicrous.

Size/physique is a factor but not the only one. I would recommend a read of the Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell by anyone interested in keys to success. I have lifted this bit from Wikipedia ...

QuoteThe book begins with Gladwell's research on why a disproportionate number of elite Canadian hockey players are born in the first few months of the calendar year. The answer, he points out, is that since youth hockey leagues determine eligibility by calendar year, children born on January 1 play in the same league as those born on December 31 in the same year. Because children born earlier in the year are bigger and more mature than their younger competitors, and they are often identified as better athletes, this leads to to extra coaching and a higher likelihood of being selected for elite hockey leagues. This phenomenon in which "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" is dubbed "accumulative advantage" by Gladwell, while sociologist Robert K. Merton calls it "the Matthew Effect", named after a biblical verse in the Gospel of Matthew: "For unto everyone that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance. But from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath."[7] Outliers asserts that success depends on the idiosyncrasies of the selection process used to identify talent just as much as it does on the athletes' natural abilities.[7]

We have the same underage criteria but I have never seen data for senior County players. Must be a dissertation in that for someone.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 25, 2012, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 24, 2012, 05:52:29 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 24, 2012, 01:51:54 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 24, 2012, 01:06:31 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 24, 2012, 11:43:40 AM
On Saturday I was talking to an Armagh Minor's coach, He said "Down could win if they keep their discipline but they probably won't. Down are well known for losing discipline under-pressure. All county managers know that and look to exploit it. It was something that was talked about before the game last year (Armagh first-round)"......
Agree with all of this, we were like an under 12 team in the last 20 mins with every player running after the ball, hard to watch.  We lack on field leaders other than Ambrose who can see these things happening.

I also agree with most of this but if this occurs then surely it is the managements fault? how can they not control the palyers on the pitch. Jim McGuinness doesnt have an issue with his players not following his methods. Where would defeat on saturday leave this management team? i would assume it would be the end.

Snoopdog, firstly lets not talk about defeat on Saturday. Let's talk about beating a third division side who have only had to beat Offaly, Wexford and Antrim to get here.

As for the management controlling the players. The management can plan and prepare the players. They can tell them exactly what they want them to do. They can give the clearest instructions in the world. But the management are not out on the pitch. What is your theory exactly how CAN they control the players once they are on the pitch - that is precisely the one time they are not in control. After all the preparation is done it is up to the players to be disciplined enough to stick to the game plan. You ask why McGuinness has not got this problem, the answer is because of the players. They have chosen to keep their discipline and to stick to the plan. They stick to it even when things are looking bad. It is down to the players only.

You could see on Sunday the management had clearly sent the team out with instructions and had prepared a system to play the game. For the first half it worked excellently. But in the second half the team went ragged. You can hardly say anyone told them to do that? They did not need Rooney, Garvey or even Hughes, the players lined out were good enough as shown for the first half. Team selection is a minor issue for us. The major issue is having 15 players on the field who collectively agree to play to one system, who concentrate for 70 minutes, and who work together to follow the instructions given to them. Otherwise you could bring back Marty, Caolan, McComiskey, or whoever you like and we would still lose.

i suppose what i am trying to say is if the team is given a system and a plan by the management team then surely a disciplined team will stick to that system??

I will be in Mullingar on saturday to cheer on Down and yes wee James management team has got Down back to better days, i suppose 2010 showed us what could be achieved but they havent got near that standard since, obvioulsy we havent had that full 15 on a pitch since but these heavy defeats to Cork 4 times since the All Ireland final now Donegal, how can they not have learned from that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 25, 2012, 10:36:54 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 24, 2012, 07:41:06 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 24, 2012, 01:51:54 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 24, 2012, 01:06:31 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 24, 2012, 11:43:40 AM
On Saturday I was talking to an Armagh Minor's coach, He said "Down could win if they keep their discipline but they probably won't. Down are well known for losing discipline under-pressure. All county managers know that and look to exploit it. It was something that was talked about before the game last year (Armagh first-round)"

Yes I agree there were some panic substitutions on Sunday and the sideline choices did not help. But I really think the management can not be blamed. They clearly sent the team out with a plan which was to hold Donegal, Prevent attacks and space. In possession there was two tactics. If it is turnover ball inside our 45 then the strategy was to hit fast ball to Coulter and Laverty. If it was break ball around midfield then the strategy was to run at the Donegal defence laying the ball off before the challenge to gain territory. To push Donegal right back and to create a line of red around the scoring zone.

This worked well in the first half and if we had stuck to it then it would have kept us in the game right to the end. But the team went ragged. When the second goal went in and Donegal had their tails up Down should have put 13 men behind the ball, filled the space and totally prevented scores. We would certainly have got turn overs and some of these would have created chances to claw back the deficit. Instead we went ragged with everyone (McKernan in particular) running anywhere and leaving gaps all over the place. Suddenly everyone wanted to attack and just like Cork last year we left gaping holes to be exploited and allowed the opposition to humiliate us


Agree with all of this, we were like an under 12 team in the last 20 mins with every player running after the ball, hard to watch.  We lack on field leaders other than Ambrose who can see these things happening.

I also agree with most of this but if this occurs then surely it is the managements fault? how can they not control the palyers on the pitch. Jim McGuinness doesnt have an issue with his players not following his methods. Where would defeat on saturday leave this management team? i would assume it would be the end.


Snoop whilst we all would be very disappointed with how Sunday turned out we need to get a bit of perspective. This will be the third year in a row that we have at least reached the last 12, something we couldn't have dreamed of under the previous regime. We have also had 2 very respectable campaigns in division 1, again something we couldn't have dreamed of under the previous regime.

Whilst I'm am slightly disillusioned by Aidan orourkes role and would love to still have some of the previous selectors on board, I can see James getting at least another year given his record over the last 3 years no matter what happens on saturday. I do believe we will win on Saturday though.

Anyway who would u suggest take over?

Peter McGrath - no thanks
Frank Dawson - no thanks
??????

I do think we will beat Tipp on Saturday, but if we didnt wherewould they go from here??
didnt Wee James say after the Monaghan game that if Down had lost that it may have been the end of the road for the management team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on July 25, 2012, 01:16:36 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on July 25, 2012, 05:11:58 AM
If you want to watch athletes, then the Olympics is the place for you, i would prefer to see Footballers in Croker. To even talk about strength development for underage players is absolutely ludicrous.

Tyrone do it and are reaping the rewards... If it is good enough for them - it is good enough for us i feel.  Also the reason why the development squads dont work in this county is that club managers and mentors tell their players not to attend them.  They want their players for themselves and noone else.  I know in my own club they are actively against the development squads and encourage the players not to attend and have even gone so far as organising training at the exact time on a sat the development squads train.  I was at a recent training session up in mid ulster sports arena and they took the Tyrone u15 squad in to work with. Oh my god - 54 players all kitted out in tyrone gear with bags and everything.  The players were put through their paces by the various coaches in attendance.  when they were done with us they were taken to the hall in the arena and put through a schedule of body weight exercises - pressups, situps, chinups etc and this lasted a further 50 mins.  This indoor session was taken by Ryan Mellon - coaching officer and Conor Gormley - current player and coaching officer.  There were no questions asked by the players nor parents who dropped them off and came to pick them up.  Whilst the lads were awaiting their lift i asked a few of them what they thought of the development squad - the answer i got 90% of the time was - i love it and this is what i have to do to get to play for Tyrone seniors - so i will do what ever it takes.  In Down - we do not get that level simply because the interest aint there, it aint pushed by the clubs, some clubs send players because they are such and such wee lad and he is a good man about the club - the wee lad aint up to standard - there are millions of reasons why it dont work.  Our county players need to take a more active role with these squads to tell the young lads what to expect at senior level and prepare them for that.  the players we have acting as coaches in primary schools and indeed with cul camps show no enthusiasm for their job and indeed at the first cul camp of the year were not involved with the youngsters at all.  this is a disgrace - why are the gaa paying them and they dont do thier job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 25, 2012, 02:39:05 PM
The problem with development squads is inherent in itself.

If a youngster is actually good enough to deserve a place in a development squad, he's probably playing/training at two juvenile age groups and two school age groups already (before soccer, rugby, golf, whatever). He's already getting coached until it's coming out of his ears, and it's most likely coaching in at least two different directions.

Yes Tyrone have got coaching systems coming out of their ears. But all that interest and money arrived on the crest of  the 2003-2008 success, and while Tyrone undoubtedly have the best prepared juvenile teams in the history of the game, there's been little evidence (so far) that it's delivering the players they need to compete at the highest level of senior football. Their record since 2008 at senior level has been no better than Down's.

You can coach til you're blue in the face, but it takes a few moons to align to produce a vintage of McGuigan, Gormley, O'Neill, Cavanagh, McAnallen, Mulligan, Jordan and McMenamin.

I've no doubt someone will now bring up the Crossmaglen blueprint. Well, ponder this. The Crossmaglen team of the mid nineties was built on size, the team of the mid 2000s was based around power, the current crop is based around mobility. Your man Gregory might be a brilliant underage coach, and might engender an amazing desire in those he coaches, but the tactics, systems and styles of Crossmaglen seniors in the past 20 years are not something that's taught at juvenile level. If it's not tactical appreciation, I cannot for the life of me see what a development squad can do for an under-14 player that their school teachers will not.




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 25, 2012, 04:05:49 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on July 25, 2012, 05:11:58 AM
If you want to watch athletes, then the Olympics is the place for you, i would prefer to see Footballers in Croker. To even talk about strength development for underage players is absolutely ludicrous.

It is far from ludicrous.

As I said Down do produce fine footballers. However, we falter when we are faced with physical challenges. Strength and conditioning aligned to our football ethos would reap dividends.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on July 25, 2012, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 25, 2012, 02:39:05 PM
The problem with development squads is inherent in itself.

If a youngster is actually good enough to deserve a place in a development squad, he's probably playing/training at two juvenile age groups and two school age groups already (before soccer, rugby, golf, whatever). He's already getting coached until it's coming out of his ears, and it's most likely coaching in at least two different directions.

Yes Tyrone have got coaching systems coming out of their ears. But all that interest and money arrived on the crest of  the 2003-2008 success, and while Tyrone undoubtedly have the best prepared juvenile teams in the history of the game, there's been little evidence (so far) that it's delivering the players they need to compete at the highest level of senior football. Their record since 2008 at senior level has been no better than Down's.

You can coach til you're blue in the face, but it takes a few moons to align to produce a vintage of McGuigan, Gormley, O'Neill, Cavanagh, McAnallen, Mulligan, Jordan and McMenamin.

I've no doubt someone will now bring up the Crossmaglen blueprint. Well, ponder this. The Crossmaglen team of the mid nineties was built on size, the team of the mid 2000s was based around power, the current crop is based around mobility. Your man Gregory might be a brilliant underage coach, and might engender an amazing desire in those he coaches, but the tactics, systems and styles of Crossmaglen seniors in the past 20 years are not something that's taught at juvenile level. If it's not tactical appreciation, I cannot for the life of me see what a development squad can do for an under-14 player that their school teachers will not.

Well we won quite a bit in the ninities - there was money out there and where has it gone? We are miles behind other counties without so much as a training centre or centre of excellence for players to develop.  Who are these teachers that get so much from their players.  It seems that when the abbey, violet hill and downpatrick schools are not doing well in the colleges competitions - noone else gets mentioned.  St louis got some paper talk when they appeared in two finals but now there is no word of them anymore.  That man Gregory you mention up in cross has no more control over teams than the man on the moon.  We played them in challenge games and they always end up in a row caus he has no control over his feens.  their underage blueprint is nothing til do with their senior one.  Seniors is a whole different ball game up there and if they get one or two players each year they are happy enough with that.  Clubs here cant afford to do that - unless you are burren or kilcoo that is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 25, 2012, 08:33:18 PM
Quote from: alba2 on July 25, 2012, 01:16:36 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on July 25, 2012, 05:11:58 AM
If you want to watch athletes, then the Olympics is the place for you, i would prefer to see Footballers in Croker. To even talk about strength development for underage players is absolutely ludicrous.

Tyrone do it and are reaping the rewards... If it is good enough for them - it is good enough for us i feel.  Also the reason why the development squads dont work in this county is that club managers and mentors tell their players not to attend them.  They want their players for themselves and noone else.  I know in my own club they are actively against the development squads and encourage the players not to attend and have even gone so far as organising training at the exact time on a sat the development squads train.  I was at a recent training session up in mid ulster sports arena and they took the Tyrone u15 squad in to work with. Oh my god - 54 players all kitted out in tyrone gear with bags and everything.  The players were put through their paces by the various coaches in attendance.  when they were done with us they were taken to the hall in the arena and put through a schedule of body weight exercises - pressups, situps, chinups etc and this lasted a further 50 mins.  This indoor session was taken by Ryan Mellon - coaching officer and Conor Gormley - current player and coaching officer.  There were no questions asked by the players nor parents who dropped them off and came to pick them up.  Whilst the lads were awaiting their lift i asked a few of them what they thought of the development squad - the answer i got 90% of the time was - i love it and this is what i have to do to get to play for Tyrone seniors - so i will do what ever it takes.  In Down - we do not get that level simply because the interest aint there, it aint pushed by the clubs, some clubs send players because they are such and such wee lad and he is a good man about the club - the wee lad aint up to standard - there are millions of reasons why it dont work.  Our county players need to take a more active role with these squads to tell the young lads what to expect at senior level and prepare them for that.  the players we have acting as coaches in primary schools and indeed with cul camps show no enthusiasm for their job and indeed at the first cul camp of the year were not involved with the youngsters at all.  this is a disgrace - why are the gaa paying them and they dont do thier job.

I feel your being very hard on the county players and GAA coaches. I was at the Bridge cul camp and they coaching the kids got was first class and I feel we are privileged to have this in the county. They promote our games and coach on a limited timescale and even players such as Benny, Dan McCarten and Conor Laverty all coached The Bridge, Burren and Kilcoo primary school teams this year due to the lack of male teachers in the schools.
I feel that some secondary schools are not putting in as much effort as others. St Colmans , St Columbans , St Louis and St Malachys are all doing sterling work but the likes of Downpatrick , St Josephs and the Abbey  could be doing better. I remember playing Downpatrick at McRory level and this is were they should be at a regular basis.Also St Marks also are not as dominant since Barney McAleenan retired and the kids don't seem to have the same skill levels!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on July 25, 2012, 09:22:31 PM
does anyone know what coverage is available of the down v tipp game for those who can;t go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on July 25, 2012, 10:00:50 PM
I feel your being very hard on the county players and GAA coaches. I was at the Bridge cul camp and they coaching the kids got was first class and I feel we are privileged to have this in the county. They promote our games and coach on a limited timescale and even players such as Benny, Dan McCarten and Conor Laverty all coached The Bridge, Burren and Kilcoo primary school teams this year due to the lack of male teachers in the schools.
I feel that some secondary schools are not putting in as much effort as others. St Colmans , St Columbans , St Louis and St Malachys are all doing sterling work but the likes of Downpatrick , St Josephs and the Abbey  could be doing better. I remember playing Downpatrick at McRory level and this is were they should be at a regular basis.Also St Marks also are not as dominant since Barney McAleenan retired and the kids don't seem to have the same skill levels!
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Yeah fair play to the lads givin of their time to go back to their primary schools to take them esp dan mc cartan - the other two are coaches and get paid to do so.  Some of the cul camps are decent - but i know that my wee lad wasn inspired by the county players at all.  Asked who had attended last tuesday the response i got was - ah the county players had to go to the canal court for a recovery session in the pool as they have a big game at the weekend.  That is a joke.  the players need recovery that much is granted - but in their own time please - they are finished the cul camps at 2.30 and have the whole evening to do as they please.  Its such a big thing for children to meet their heroes - they should make themselves available for that.  Yeah the coaching in some schools is unquestioned.  Violet Hill in the last few years is a credit - they have super facilities and use them to the max.  some schools leave a lot to be desired with the facilities they have.  The right people need to be in place in order for the coaching to be effective and this is probably the biggest problen in some schools.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weebob on July 25, 2012, 10:44:49 PM
Quote from: alba2 on July 24, 2012, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 23, 2012, 10:58:46 PM
Disappointing defeat yesterday but no time to feel sorry, let's get back at it and beat tipp and see what happens after that. We are an average side but on any given day these lads can pull of big results. A tipp victory and a hopeful quarter final against Mayo and you never no what can happen. But if we meet cork or Dublin we may say farewell.
Thought it was a disgrace to ask 3 panelists, recent call ups I must add, to make their own way to clones yesterday as there was apparently not enough room on the bus. That must gave them 3 some confidence going forward. Joke.

This is an absolute disgrace.  Why take players along to training and then not to the game - i bet there were some dignatries on the bus that are no more needed than the man in the moon.  Water carriers etc on the bus and no need for it.  Let them get taken to the game by car - but god forbid the secretaries son was to be out of the picture and not on the bus to the big game. Joke.  Im not surprised gerard mc cartan has left the panel to be honest - good honest player for club and county but gets treated unfairly to say the least.  He is a much better player than niall brannigan from kilcoo - but jerome will prob have Aaron and daryl on the panel soon enough too and maybe go back for mark and Janine as well.  People talk about family loyalty on this board through James - Jerome has his fair share of family playing too.  I honestly think the lads will beat Tipp and then as someone said if we got maybe mayo we could end up in a semi final.  Think the other 3 provincial champions might be step too far this year to be honest.  Big dan also retiring this year from intercounty.  Hard to replace...
for a boyo that knows so much you missed wee eug  {eugene}  are wee eug 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 26, 2012, 12:40:16 AM
Hughie morgan has pumped a lot of money into armagh and look at them now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 26, 2012, 07:54:35 AM
Seriously lads it's not a lack of muscles that allowed Donegal to run through massive gaps in our half back line. They weren't exactly shouldering guys out of the way to get into shooting positions. They weren't breaking tackles and knocking their tacklers out of the way. They were running through space where there were no tacklers. They were moving the ball at will around a wide-open defensive area because no-one was home guarding the farm.

Laverty and Poland are the only guys under 5'11'' (two of our absolute best anyway). McKernan, Gordon, Rogers, King, Coulter, O'Hagan, McCardle, McConville, Brannigan and Eoin McCartan are all 6' or over.

We do not need more physical improvement. We need mental improvement. Down are known fro not sticking to the plan, they are known for ill-discipline in following a structure, they are known for playing as individuals when pressurised. There is absolutely enough talent in our squad, there is absolutely enough physical fitness in our squad. We have all the tools needed to challenge for an All-Ireland. What we don't have is the players committing to working as a team for a full 70 minutes.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 26, 2012, 09:16:06 AM
PaulD123 I mostly agree with you. The discipline and shape of Down in the second half was disgusting, and it's been a problem since the later part of Pete McGrath's era. Given the amount of training and prep that the squad goes through, it's hard to believe that 15 years on we're still liable to this sort of collapse.

But in truth a large part of the problem is down to the fact that we have very few natural defenders of inter county standard. Natural defenders are people who take greater joy from stopping the opposition than they do from playing football, and when you get to where we want to go (top 8 team in Ireland), they need more than that mental approach, they need to be quick, strong, aggressive and preferably quite big.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: hectorsheroes on July 26, 2012, 10:05:03 AM
Brilliant article by Declan Bogue in yesterdays Belfast Telegraph - Down are not nearly as bad as people think

Last weekend there was so much to admire about the health and popularity of Gaelic games. Bumper crowds, old rivalries renewed and all the excitement that brings. A shame, then, that tactical fouling emerges as the major talking point.

Before the Ulster final, Jarlath Burns brought it out into the open that Donegal are prepared to foul the opposition in their own half, then prevent them from taking the free in order to set their defence.

Burns knows this role, as he played it for Armagh, being known as their 'Stopman'. He lifted the Ulster title in 1999. The ends justified the means.

It's not right to say these players are 'cheating'. They are merely doing what the rules do not prevent and the boundaries of acceptable behaviour are too loosely defined.

As a case study, we look at how Donegal halted Down in the first half of the Ulster final. There is no point talking about the second half, because they owned the ball in that time.

3 minutes — High ball in from Donegal, Aidan Carr catches it and is fouled. Michael Murphy stand over him, Leo McLoone dribbles the ball away. Ref Joe McQuillan moves the ball on 10 yards.

8 minutes — Conor Laverty tries to round Rory Kavanagh, he is dragged to the floor. With the free given and the ball away, Kavanagh then runs back to Laverty and throws him to the floor. No booking.

9 minutes — The bounce catches out Donegal forwards. Dan Gordon collects the ball and tries to get out of a ruck of players. David Walsh wrestles with both arms around his body. Free out.

11 minutes — High ball into Donal O'Hare, he gets it, and is tripped by Declan Walsh before he can head for goal. Free in.

19 minutes — Ambrose Rogers is pulled down by Rory Kavanagh. Free awarded. Colm McFadden scoops ball up. Tosses it away from freetaker. McFadden was booked for the same thing in the semi-final against Tyrone, being sent off on the second yellow card.

28 minutes — From a Paul Durcan kickout, Rory Kavanagh catches but then touches it on the ground. Down free. Mark Poland and Aidan Brannigan wrestle for the ball off Kavanagh. McQuillan moves it on 10 yards — the first time an indiscretion has been moved into a scoreable position.

29 minutes — Ambrose Rogers gets ball and space opens up — Frank McGlynn hauls him down. Three Donegal players remain close to the ball before it becomes apparent Donal O'Hare is going to take a point from the free.

34 minutes — Rory Kavanagh gets a yellow card for a high challenge on Laverty — should have been second yellow for fouls on Laverty.

That was the Ulster final. The night before, Kerry gave an absolute masterclass in closing the game out against Tyrone. In the last 30 minutes there were 14 kickouts in which they hauled a Tyrone opponent to the floor. It killed any kind of momentum Tyrone could build, but if you were to ask yourself if Tyrone would do the same if they were in Kerry's position, you'd have to say yes.

In Leinster, Meath were desperately seeking a late goal to level against Dublin. With Cian Ward moving into space, Barry Cahill rugby-tackled him and his team mates stood over the ball, preventing a quick free.

The one team that did try and play with a Corinthian spirit over the weekend were Limerick, who had Kildare on the rack in the last few moments of their qualifier.

However, they lost the ball in the last play of normal time, Kildare worked it upfield and kicked an equaliser that brought the game to extra-time.

Five times Limerick had a chance to wrap arms around a Kildare player and drag him to the floor, and win the game.

They did not, they lost, and they go on being patronised and denied the respect a team like Kildare get.

Enlightened journalists have been writing about tactical fouling for years, reasoning that an appropriate penalty should be sought; a 45 metre free for example, no matter where the incident occurred.

According to GAA president Liam O'Neill the purpose of the Football Review Committee set up in April was to identify issues in the playing of the game, how it has evolved and present conclusions, which will form the basis of a national debate.

O'Neill was at Clones and had the courage to go on record over the game's more unsavoury elements. Every president can become distracted with leaving a legacy, some of them get it badly wrong.

Changing the festering spirit of Gaelic football would be Liam's greatest achievement.

Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/declan-bogue/declan-bogue-time-to-tackle-problem-of-tactical-fouling-16189558.html#ixzz21iWlSPNF
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on July 26, 2012, 11:23:01 AM
Quote from: lucan on July 25, 2012, 09:22:31 PM
does anyone know what coverage is available of the down v tipp game for those who can;t go?

they are showing it via a special satellite link in the Old George Bar in Rathfriland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on July 26, 2012, 12:47:03 PM
Thank goodness should be a big crowd in the George come Saturday!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on July 26, 2012, 05:27:20 PM
My Team for sat:

B Mc veigh
D Mc Cartan
D Gordon
A Brannigan
N Mc Parland
L Doyle
C Garvey
A Rodgers
k King
C Maginn
M Poland
K Mckernan
C Laverty
B Coulter
D OHare

Let Mc Kernan roam back in to CHb and let Doyler float bout the place like he did in the early part of the league.  Three clever footballers in the full forward line should get a good amount of scores with Maginn and Poland pulling the strings in the half forward line.
Any thoughts???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 26, 2012, 06:33:55 PM
Carr and O'Hagan would be very unlucky to be dropped, while there is no guarantee that both King and Coulter will be fit enough to start. We will probably find out tonight anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 26, 2012, 06:51:22 PM
People on here very quick to include Nial McParland on the starting team. The fella is untested in championship football and is no better than what we have at present. Rooney is the obvious choice, at least he marks tight and does the simple thing. I believe McParland is going to become another Maginn, overrated. I'd like to see the following line out;
1 B McVeigh
2 C Garvey
3 B McArde
4 A Brannigan
5 D Rooney
6 K McKernan
7 D OHagan
8 A Rogers
9 D Gordan
10 L Doyle
11 M Poland
12 A Carr
13 D OHare
14 B Coulter
15 C Laverty.

I'd have Danny on for OHare or Carr but hearing he is not fit to start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weebob on July 26, 2012, 07:04:42 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 26, 2012, 06:51:22 PM
People on here very quick to include Nial McParland on the starting team. The fella is untested in championship football and is no better than what we have at present. Rooney is the obvious choice, at least he marks tight and does the simple thing. I believe McParland is going to become another Maginn, overrated. I'd like to see the following line out;
1 B McVeigh
2 C Garvey
3 B McArde
4 A Brannigan
5 D Rooney
6 K McKernan
7 D OHagan
8 A Rogers
9 D Gordan
10 L Doyle
11 M Poland
12 A Carr
13 D OHare
14 B Coulter
15 C Laverty.

I'd have Danny on for OHare or Carr but hearing he is not fit to start.
Danny wouldnt lace ohares boots
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 26, 2012, 07:42:48 PM
Thats a fair point on McParland and maybe the last 12 of the championship isnt the time to be testing McParland.

I would imagine there will be minimum changes.  Garvey will come back in, id be guessing for Carr in the half back line with 2 from Carr, McKernan and Maginn starting at wing half back.  Benny may also drop to the bench but Id be surprised if there are any further changes but u never no with James and co.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on July 26, 2012, 07:55:22 PM
to charlie tully and the bar.I suppose there is room for two imbecilles on every discussion board  and in every club [evenDrumgath] IS the next pub quizz in the george as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 26, 2012, 09:30:01 PM
Quote from: weebob on July 26, 2012, 07:04:42 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 26, 2012, 06:51:22 PM
People on here very quick to include Nial McParland on the starting team. The fella is untested in championship football and is no better than what we have at present. Rooney is the obvious choice, at least he marks tight and does the simple thing. I believe McParland is going to become another Maginn, overrated. I'd like to see the following line out;
1 B McVeigh
2 C Garvey
3 B McArde
4 A Brannigan
5 D Rooney
6 K McKernan
7 D OHagan
8 A Rogers
9 D Gordan
10 L Doyle
11 M Poland
12 A Carr
13 D OHare
14 B Coulter
15 C Laverty.

I'd have Danny on for OHare or Carr but hearing he is not fit to start.
Danny wouldnt lace ohares boots
Donal is a promising young player and if he produces like Danny has in the next ten years then he will be a good one. But to say he wouldn't lace ohares boots is ludicrous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oldhacker on July 26, 2012, 09:40:37 PM
McParland would obviously be something of a gamble, as he has never played championship football, but his league form would suggest that he is worth the risk. McKernan's ability is not in question, but MDG must be in a very small minority of Down supporters who would place him at centre half back after everything we have seen from him over recent months. A spell in a free role at the back, or even as a ball winner at wing half forward, might do wonders for his confidence and equally importantly his concentration.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on July 26, 2012, 10:39:59 PM
Quote from: Oldhacker on July 26, 2012, 09:40:37 PM
McParland would obviously be something of a gamble, as he has never played championship football, but his league form would suggest that he is worth the risk. McKernan's ability is not in question, but MDG must be in a very small minority of Down supporters who would place him at centre half back after everything we have seen from him over recent months. A spell in a free role at the back, or even as a ball winner at wing half forward, might do wonders for his confidence and equally importantly his concentration.

Lads i honestly dont c him bieng a gamble at all - it tipperary we are playing for gods sake not cork or kerry... I think Mckernan has been tried in quite a few positions at this stage without good results in most... he is on a fine thread to stay in team.  O'Hagan is unlucky to lose out on my team selected - but just feel it stime to spice the thing up a bit and let a few different lads in there.  Rooney is a gone at this stage and has failed to deliver since 2010 - he not even playing well for burren at min - move on and let the younger lads in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA-inspired on July 26, 2012, 11:20:27 PM
Quote from: alba2 on July 26, 2012, 05:27:20 PM
My Team for sat:

B Mc veigh
D Mc Cartan
D Gordon
A Brannigan
N Mc Parland
L Doyle
C Garvey
A Rodgers
k King
C Maginn
M Poland
K Mckernan
C Laverty
B Coulter
D OHare

Let Mc Kernan roam back in to CHb and let Doyler float bout the place like he did in the early part of the league.  Three clever footballers in the full forward line should get a good amount of scores with Maginn and Poland pulling the strings in the half forward line.
Any thoughts???

Yeah I have a few thoughts Alba2,

First thought is your probably a teacher as you seem to spend a lot of time posting on this board and obviously having the summer off you must be at a loose end :)

Second thought, you were probably involved in a team management set up of some sort with maybe another gentleman from the same club as yourself, this management team though have probably since been given the high road and thats obviously left you with more time on your hands also to post.  8)

Third thought, you probably never played the game before at any level worth talking about so therefore you wouldnt command the respect of any Senior Mens team. :(

Fourth thought, you seem to have so many expert views, why dont you offer your services to the county board and get involved with development squads or maybe even get involved at your own club  ;).  Although from what I hear that might not be such a great idea  :o

Anyone want to play a game of Guess Who?????

Whitegoodman, we ll not reveal your identity just yet ;-) but you should know this man, he like you, attends most Burren games??? Doesnt stand on the same side as you though ;-) cant give anymore away wouldnt be fair!  :-X

First man back with an answer gets a special well done sticker from Principal Frank  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on July 27, 2012, 02:59:33 AM
Quote from: lucan on July 26, 2012, 07:55:22 PM
to charlie tully and the bar.I suppose there is room for two imbecilles on every discussion board  and in every club [evenDrumgath] IS the next pub quizz in the george as well?

chill dude  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3wXqyRQZnA&feature=related
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on July 27, 2012, 03:12:25 AM
Quote from: GAA-inspired on July 26, 2012, 11:20:27 PM
Quote from: alba2 on July 26, 2012, 05:27:20 PM
My Team for sat:

B Mc veigh
D Mc Cartan
D Gordon
A Brannigan
N Mc Parland
L Doyle
C Garvey
A Rodgers
k King
C Maginn
M Poland
K Mckernan
C Laverty
B Coulter
D OHare

Let Mc Kernan roam back in to CHb and let Doyler float bout the place like he did in the early part of the league.  Three clever footballers in the full forward line should get a good amount of scores with Maginn and Poland pulling the strings in the half forward line.
Any thoughts???

Yeah I have a few thoughts Alba2,

First thought is your probably a teacher as you seem to spend a lot of time posting on this board and obviously having the summer off you must be at a loose end :)

Second thought, you were probably involved in a team management set up of some sort with maybe another gentleman from the same club as yourself, this management team though have probably since been given the high road and thats obviously left you with more time on your hands also to post.  8)

Third thought, you probably never played the game before at any level worth talking about so therefore you wouldnt command the respect of any Senior Mens team. :(

Fourth thought, you seem to have so many expert views, why dont you offer your services to the county board and get involved with development squads or maybe even get involved at your own club  ;).  Although from what I hear that might not be such a great idea  :o

Anyone want to play a game of Guess Who?????

Whitegoodman, we ll not reveal your identity just yet ;-) but you should know this man, he like you, attends most Burren games??? Doesnt stand on the same side as you though ;-) cant give anymore away wouldnt be fair!  :-X

First man back with an answer gets a special well done sticker from Principal Frank  ;D


if you ever feel this bad again just dial 999,

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 27, 2012, 08:48:35 AM
I think playing McParland would be acceptable because it is Tipperaray. McParland played very well in the league against Divsion 1 sides so it is fair to get his championship debut against Tipp. But I do agree that Rooney woudl be a safer option and one that would make sense now because we intend to win and need a defensive improvement for the next game. A half back line of Garvey-Rooney-Doyle, or Garvey-Turley-Rooney would offer at least a defensive line in the defensive position. Brannigan and McKernan are far to neglectful of their defensive duties. Currently I see McCardle, Gordon, O'Hagan, McCartan, Rooney and Garvey as our only players who could be genuinely expected to defend properly. 

One other thing, I get frustrated when people try to say that your opinion can only be vaildated by the level you played the game to. Playing is a matter of skill and fitness but understanding the sport is a matter of intelligence. Just because you never pulled on a county jersey does not mean you are incapable of understanding the game. The argument has absolutely no substance and just demonstrates a complete lack of intelligent debate by the proposer. A validation is not a just validation just because you declare it to be, it does actually have to have some basis to back it up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 27, 2012, 01:12:19 PM
It will be hard to lift the lads as I think they emptied the tank for the Ulster final and did a fine job up until they doubted the gameplan and let Donegal run amoke. Think we are not that far behind them although Cork, for me, are still the team to beat. Mayo caught them cold last year and I don't see it happening again this year.However, a win on Saturday gets us to Croke for the 8th time under James which is a remarkable return in 3 years and credit to himself, Jerome and Aidan O'Rourke. While I don't always agree with their selections and an amateur game is always open to bias allegations, they are the three best men for the job at present, so a win on Saturday is vital to leave a positive view of an exciting year.
My team would be
Mc Veigh
Mc Ardle
Big Dan
Wee Dan
Rooney
Doyle
Garvey
Ambrose
King
Danny
Poland
Carr
O'Hare
Coulter
Laverty
If Danny,King or Benny aren't fit I would include the three Macs -Mc Kernan(and tell him to forget twitter but remember to play his natural intuitive game as he is still a gem),Mc Conville(a leader in waiting) and Mc Partland (he's ready)

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Post by: thebar on July 27, 2012, 03:45:36 PM
Whatever the Down team is tomorrow good luck lads, pull all in together give it a lash and hopefully you will have enough to get over the line
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Post by: Mourne Rover on July 27, 2012, 06:21:02 PM
There is talk that defensive changes are indeed on the way, and Kevin McKernan and Dan McCartan may be officially named on the bench. However, James does appear to favour late switches and there is no guarantee that the team which should be named tonight will actually start tomorrow.

Update - the follow side has just been posted on downgaa.net.

1 Brendan McVeigh
An Ríocht
2
Darren O'Hagan
Cluain Daimh
3
Dan Gordon
Loch an Oileáin
4
Conor Garvey
Droicheád Mhaigh Eo
5
Aiden Branagan
Cill Chua
6
Brendan McArdle
Eanach Chluain
7
Aidan Carr
Cluain Daimh
8
Ambrose Rogers
Cloch Fhada
9
Kalum King
Áth Bhriain
10
Kevin Duffin
Caisleán an Mhuillin
11
Mark Poland
Cloch Fhada
12
Conor Maginn
Áth Bhriain
13
Eoin McCartan
Boireann
14
Conor Laverty
Cill Chua
15
Brendan Coulter
Droichead Mhaigh Eo

If Liam Doyle is fit, it is difficult to believe that he will not start somewhere.



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Post by: In the Onion Bag on July 27, 2012, 10:48:15 PM
I like that line up.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on July 27, 2012, 11:43:32 PM
It is possible that King is not fit so Gordon might switch to midfield with McArdle moving to full back. Duffin could then go to corner back with Doyle brought in for a free role, but guessing our actual starting line-up has become a difficult business. While our record against Tipperary is not good, a quarter final place is a massive incentive.
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Post by: Faceinthecrowd on July 28, 2012, 12:01:18 PM
Can someone please post score updates today of the minor hurling and senior football games so that I can keep up to date with developments while I lie by the pool  8)
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Post by: Square Ball on July 28, 2012, 05:30:53 PM
Minors beat 0-5 to 3-19
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Post by: The Marshes on July 28, 2012, 05:57:53 PM
1-13 - 0-11 Down won
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Post by: Dubh driocht on July 28, 2012, 06:12:10 PM
VG win and we're back at Croke for an all Ireland quarter final.James getting some return from these honest and committed lads, well done to Seamus and county board as well as Sean og, Jack,Eddie and the back room team.
Big Dan,Ambrose and Poly should be considered for All Stars if we get a result next week.ABC -anybody but Cork
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Post by: alba2 on July 28, 2012, 08:47:49 PM
Great performance today lads fair play to yas... Nice draw for quarter final and possibly the dubs in the semi.
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Post by: whitegoodman on July 28, 2012, 09:30:23 PM
Firstly well done to James and the management team, their record over the 3 years stands up wit the best of them.

On today's game  it wasn't a classic but they did what they had to do.  Thought ohagen was motm, deceptively very strong for the size of him, a wee gem.  Gordon and Garvey did rightly although I would have preferred for the 2 to swap in the 2nd half as dan doesn't seem as comfortable in the half back line.

Ambrose mixed the inspirational with some poor play, particularly his tackling.  Still a good performance.

Poland was very good at times but also poor at times. Benny was very impressive, always showing and knocked over some fine points.

Now for the negatives.  There are more questions than answers coming out of the that IMO. The half backs and half forwards struggled, Carr, Mcparland, maginn and duffin were all below par and will be nervous bout next weeks selection.

Laverty and McCartan were also average, laverty needs to stay closer to goals as he near as effective out the field.

For the 2nd wk in a row the subs didn't work IMO, bringing tipp back into the game in the last 20 mins.

It was the best draw we could have got but I am not as confident about it as I might have been as I don't think James knows his best 15 with up to 5 changeable positions for next week.

But as I ve said well done to the boys and a league semi final and all Ireland q/f is already a success season..
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Post by: Mourne Rover on July 28, 2012, 09:44:01 PM
It was a fairly strange game in Mullingar but the result was all that mattered and getting Mayo in the quarter final will have gone down well in the camp. Without getting carried away with ourselves, we can be quietly pleased that we are are the first team in 11 years and only the second in the history of the qualifiers to produce a win six days after losing a provincial final.


There was a strength of purpose about us from the start and hitting five points without conceding any in the first 15 minutes sent out a firm message. However, Tipperary are a fair side, and with a bit of help from the referee they came back well at us against the wind in the second quarter. If we had turned round at 6-4 to face the gale, they would probably have fancied their chances, so the goal was crucial. We should have played in more long balls with the breeze, and Duffin's drive looked as though it was bouncing over the bar until it hit the post and dropped into the square where Benny was ready to put the ball and half their defence over the line.


We looked the part again in the third quarter and were seven up, meaning double scores as well, with barely ten left. Our midfield began to struggle for the only stage in the game, and they kicked four points in a row but they really needed a goal. The last three or four minutes were quite impressive, as we held possession and picked off two fine points.


McVeigh had a good day, making an important save in the first half and only having a problem with one kick-out. He saw more of the ball in his hands than usual, and used it simply and well on most occasions, although he had difficulty picking out our midfielders when the pressure was on in the closing stages.


O'Hagan was one of our stars, consistently first to the ball and surging forward when he got the chance. He was up against a decent player but looks to have nailed his spot for Croke Park. Dan was just about man of the match, taking five great catches in front of goal and getting up to kick a point at the other end. Garvey has had better days, and played one horrible pass out of defence, but still used his experience when it was needed.


McParland started well but had problems judging the ball in the air and replacing him was the right call.  McArdle did well throughout, showing his pace and taking a point as well. Carr was reasonable and worked hard, but his handling error gave them a point and he gave away a free in front of the posts as well.


Ambrose, as ever, was outstanding, winning his own ball and picking out forwards all day. The point he kicked after outpacing his opponent was a gem. King, apart from taking the odd breather, was excellent, got his tackles in without giving away frees and kept playing short and sensible passes. His one-handed catch among a crowd of players was worth the admission.


Duffin is not a natural forward but brings strength and energy to the attack and kicked a fine point from a free. Poland was
everywhere, without quite being at his best, and his ability to retain possession was vital towards the end. Maginn always give us great balance, and he would be a serious player if he could manage the odd score/


McCartan was reasonable in the first half but was short on confidence and faded away after the break. Laverty constantly spotted passes which no one else could see and was always a danger. Benny just needs to watch his discipline, after another early yellow, but he always had the measure of his man and finished with 1-02 from play on a limited supply.


Of the subs, Doyle looked good and should be fit enough to start next time while Brannigan and O'Hare were reasonable without seeing much of the ball. McKernan was initially effective, but played a couple of dodgy passes and is not back to the form of 2010 yet.


The management got almost every call right, although Jerome may not be able to run across the field quite as often at HQ, and making the last eight is another fine achievement.


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Post by: 5 Sams on July 28, 2012, 09:54:11 PM
We need to stand back lads and be realistic and consider what we did today. We beat a very poor Tipperary team who took 20 minutes before they got a score. We then nearly let them back into it in the last 10 minutes. If we play like that against Mayo we'll get battered.
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Post by: whitegoodman on July 28, 2012, 10:02:18 PM
Whilst I agree we need to be realistic and realise we are not at the level of cork, Dublin, Donegal or Kerry, I have little fear of mayo.  They are not close to the level of said teams and we have a decent shot at a semi final place if the right team is picked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 28, 2012, 10:18:43 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 28, 2012, 10:02:18 PM
Whilst I agree we need to be realistic and realise we are not at the level of cork, Dublin, Donegal or Kerry, I have little fear of mayo.  They are not close to the level of said teams and we have a decent shot at a semi final place if the right team is picked.

Correct. Mayo aren't worth a damn, especially if we play the way we played against Sligo!!
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Post by: Mourne Rover on July 28, 2012, 10:36:24 PM
It's true that Tipperary were limited today, but they have been on a decent run and we were coming off the back of a depressing second half display in the Ulster final. While we plainly need to improve, Mayo's form has been somewhere around our level as well. We beat them in Castlebar in the league and drew there when we really should have won the previous year, so we are capable of giving it a shot next weekend. If Danny Hughes should be available - and he was not even fit enough for the bench today - it would give us quite a boost.
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Post by: Gabriel on July 29, 2012, 12:43:27 AM
Mixed the good with the bad today. Offered a five point win before the game you would have taken it no question, but Tipperary were poorer than I expected.  There were flashes of what we're capable of but we will have to raise it to another level against Mayo. Out of the three teams we could have been drawn against, Mayo are definitely the one we have the best chance of beating, but there are definite improvements to be made - the defence is still porous and would have been exploited by a better team today.

On a side note, disappointed not to have seen more of big Arthur McConville in the championship. He showed well enough in the McKenna Cup and league and think he'd offer more of a scoring threat as a target man than Eoin McCartan. His involvement in the championship has been limited to a few minutes at the end of the Fermanagh match.

(Also - Ambrose was magnificent at times today. Really led the team, making some trademark bulldozing runs and hitting a few excellent points. It's great to see one of the country's best midfielders back to his best.)
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Post by: tom,dick and harry on July 29, 2012, 01:01:23 AM
Quote from: weebob on July 25, 2012, 10:44:49 PM
Quote from: alba2 on July 24, 2012, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on July 23, 2012, 10:58:46 PM
Disappointing defeat yesterday but no time to feel sorry, let's get back at it and beat tipp and see what happens after that. We are an average side but on any given day these lads can pull of big results. A tipp victory and a hopeful quarter final against Mayo and you never no what can happen. But if we meet cork or Dublin we may say farewell.
Thought it was a disgrace to ask 3 panelists, recent call ups I must add, to make their own way to clones yesterday as there was apparently not enough room on the bus. That must gave them 3 some confidence going forward. Joke.

This is an absolute disgrace.  Why take players along to training and then not to the game - i bet there were some dignatries on the bus that are no more needed than the man in the moon.  Water carriers etc on the bus and no need for it.  Let them get taken to the game by car - but god forbid the secretaries son was to be out of the picture and not on the bus to the big game. Joke.  Im not surprised gerard mc cartan has left the panel to be honest - good honest player for club and county but gets treated unfairly to say the least.  He is a much better player than niall brannigan from kilcoo - but jerome will prob have Aaron and daryl on the panel soon enough too and maybe go back for mark and Janine as well.  People talk about family loyalty on this board through James - Jerome has his fair share of family playing too.  I honestly think the lads will beat Tipp and then as someone said if we got maybe mayo we could end up in a semi final.  Think the other 3 provincial champions might be step too far this year to be honest.  Big dan also retiring this year from intercounty.  Hard to replace...
for a boyo that knows so much you missed wee eug  {eugene}  are wee eug
Haha Jerome-is he one that never leaves wee james alone? Heard the down players call him SAT NAV cause hes always telling them what direction to run. needs a sat nav himself costing the county board 200 notes every time he runs on the field. Nice to see the down fans good money is being spent well. And i defo agree about Brannigan-hopeless
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Post by: Pangurban on July 29, 2012, 03:14:58 AM
Job done albeit a mediocre performance, now onwards and upwards. The big negative from today was that we won no breaking ball in the middle third of field and were completely cleaned out. Some of the reporters here must have been at a different game than i was, as i thought Poland was Downs MOTM, and the introduction of Mc Kernan solidified the Down defence, at a time when they were coming under severe pressure. Most of our scores came from patient build-ups, holding possession until we got the right man in a scoring position. On the occasions when we resorted to lobbing the Ball in, hoping Benny would get on the end of it there was no return in terms of scores, yet we still do this too often. We have to accept that while still a great player, Benny is not as young or agile as he once was. In the wide open spaces of Croker against a team like ourselves who like to play good open football, we have more than a chance, if our Hb line and HF line start winning more dirrty ball
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Post by: extra time on July 29, 2012, 10:24:22 AM
MOTM a toss up between Dan and Ambrose, with young O,hagen not far behind. Well done lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on July 29, 2012, 12:51:37 PM
on reflection charlie tully i have chilled. incidentally the only coverage of the game was radio ulster [1341 medium wave]
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Post by: NP 76 on July 29, 2012, 01:57:56 PM
Have to say Down showed great character yesterday to come back from a big defeat last weekend. Tipperary threw everything they had at us and we with stood it and popped over scores to keep us out in front.When we built up any momentum they were lying down all over the pitch holding up the play and then starting a rucus to try and un settle us.Benny needs to settle himself abit and walk away from these as some day he will get too involved and will get the line.Ambrose and Poland must of covered every blade of grass on the field and Gordan was outstanding but i have to agree with WGM i thought Darren O Hagan was outstanding from start to finish.He won every ball that went in between him and his man and he was always bursting forward when the oppurtunity arose. As i said in previous posts he doesnt give the man a minute he  hassles and harries and puts the man under pressure as soon as he has the ball.Another quarter final is good going yet again we are in the latter stages of the Championship and hopefully back in Croke Park . This experience had been sadly missing for a number of years now with James we all expect to be there.On another point Dick and Harry is Jerome not the runner who is allowed on the field so surely this doesnt cost any money.Great support for Down yesterday good to see so many there after last week.
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Post by: snoopdog on July 29, 2012, 02:03:08 PM
i seen that only a crowd of 3,500 was recorded. Now i was at it and it looked more than that, hoping for a sunday game next weekend. but they might throw us in with donegal Kerry on the sat. Thing all games have to be played at Croke park.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on July 29, 2012, 03:15:35 PM
Quote from: lucan on July 29, 2012, 12:51:37 PM
on reflection charlie tully i have chilled. incidentally the only coverage of the game was radio ulster [1341 medium wave]

Wrong it was covered by Destination Newry....Well done Down on beating Tipp records show it aint easy to win after coming of the back of defeat in 6 days. Fair play to all
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Post by: DownFanatic on July 29, 2012, 03:44:07 PM
Down JFC Results

Group A
Drumaness 5-10   Teconnaught 0-08
St Michael's 1-09  Dromara 2-10

Group B
St Paul's 0-03  Dundrum 1-18
Ballykinlar v Bright - Not Played

Group C
Killyleagh 1-07  Aghaderg 1-13
Mitchels 1-08  Aughlisnafin 2-10

Drumaness living up to their favourites tag with a total drubbing of Teconnaught. The Fin beating Mitchels has to be the shock of the round. Killyleagh also put up a good showing against Aghaderg in their return to competitive football.





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Post by: Square Ball on July 29, 2012, 03:53:56 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 29, 2012, 03:44:07 PM
Down JFC Results

Group A
Drumaness 5-10   Teconnaught 0-08
St Michael's 1-09  Dromara 2-10

Group B
St Paul's 0-03  Dundrum 1-18
Ballykinlar v Bright - Not Played

Group C
Killyleagh 1-07  Aghaderg 1-13
Mitchels 1-08  Aughlisnafin 2-10

Drumaness living up to their favourites tag with a total drubbing of Teconnaught. The Fin beating Mitchels has to be the shock of the round. Killyleagh also put up a good showing against Aghaderg in their return to competitive football.

Oops
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Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on July 29, 2012, 04:04:38 PM
We got a lesson in the first half from Dundrum, who are a fit team who play to a well oiled system. We were poor enough and made them look a bit better.  Second half we battled well and played with some pride... We have miles to go to even consider winning a championship :'(
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Post by: here comes 6 on July 29, 2012, 04:11:33 PM
has anyone the dates and times for the senior and intermediate Championship?
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Post by: MK on July 29, 2012, 07:04:26 PM
Great to see Newry hosting 2 minor Q-Finals:

Dublin v Monaghan, Newry 5.30pm

Tyrone v Meath, Newry, 7.15pm
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Post by: NP 76 on July 29, 2012, 07:48:21 PM
I see the game is on Saturday at 5 with Dublin v Laois at 7. Cork v Kildare at 2 on the Sunday and kerry v Donegal at 4
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Post by: 5 Sams on July 29, 2012, 08:40:03 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on July 29, 2012, 07:48:21 PM
I see the game is on Saturday at 5 with Dublin v Laois at 7. Cork v Kildare at 2 on the Sunday and kerry v Donegal at 4

Why's our game so late?? There'll be some crew of drunken Dubs arriving in at 10 past 7 ;)
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Post by: lucan on July 29, 2012, 11:32:03 PM
to the[bar]. its a pity you couldn;t have furnished that information when asked . thats one of the functions of a discussion board.clowns are for the circus.
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Post by: Fox in the Box on July 30, 2012, 11:32:20 AM
Was in Mullingar on Sat great win and alot of good performances. Is it just me but i feel anything good Down do Poland and Lavery are involved? Surely if we get too an All Ireland semi these two will be considered for All Stars?? Bring on Mayo and a semi final spot.
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Post by: T O Hare on July 30, 2012, 07:12:53 PM
Will the senior championship go ahead if down win on saturday
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Post by: whitegoodman on July 30, 2012, 08:27:09 PM
With what happened to Ambrose a couple of years ago I cant see James letting it happen.

Lets get the win first and then think bout that!!!
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Post by: Mourne Rover on July 30, 2012, 11:11:45 PM
Working out our strongest team this season has been a problem for both management and supporters,  but, apart from some positional switching, it should be possible to make a reasonable guess at the actual starting 15 for Croke Park.

McVeigh will be in goals, with big Dan in front on him and O'Hagan almost certainly in one corner. Garvey is likely to be named in the other corner with McArdle at centre half, although they may change round, and the main debate is over the wing half backs. Doyle, if fit, and McKernan, if focused, are the two best equipped for the job.

With Ambrose and King at midfield and Poland at centre forward more or less automatic choices, and Hughes likely to be out, Maginn looks a good bet for a wing forward slot. It could be tight enough  between Duffin and Carr on the other wing, but Carr's experience may get him the nod.

Benny and Laverty will be named in the full forward line, but Eoin McCartan, while decent in the second half at Clones, did not really make an impact in Mullingar, so O'Hare is very much in contention to take over.

Mayo's form over the last couple of seasons has been pretty similar to our own, so there is a fair chance that we could be in for a tight finish on Saturday.


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Post by: alba2 on July 31, 2012, 11:37:44 AM
Any suggestions for the team on sat?  A fully fit panel at this time of the year is fantastic news - it leaves serious options for all positions.  As Mourne rover predicts there are a number of viable options for each position and each a class player. Certs have to be Mc Veigh, O'Hagan, Big Dan, Mc Ardle, Ambrose, Kallum, Poland, Laverty, Coulter, Garvey, Maginn, Brannigan - that only leaves 3 positions up for grabs... 1 in defence between, Dan Mc Cartan, Gerard Mc Cartan, Mc Parland, Mc Kernan - and two up front between Eoin Mc Cartan, Donal O'Hare, Duffin, Carr, Mc Conville...
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Post by: whitegoodman on July 31, 2012, 01:17:05 PM
I would say most of us would agree the following are certs for saturday at this stage

1 McVeigh
2 OHagan
3 Gordon
4 McArdle/Garvey
5
6 Garvey/Garvey
7
8 King
9 Rodgers
10
11 Poland
12
13 Coulter
14 Laverty
15

That leaves 5 spaces up for grabs.  We have tried numerous options in the half back line with none of them working that well.  McParland looked a bit undercooked on saturday, my feelings on Mckernan as a defender are well known, Carr was poor defensively on saturday as well and Rooney seems to be out of the picture.  For me Doyle should start but it should at 15 coming out the field rather that centre or wing half back.  At this stage I dont feel he would have the mobility to track a Danny Hughes or a Mark Poland.  In fact Doyle and McKernan as the two wing backs would scare the byjesus out of me without meaning any disrespect to your opinion MR.  I would love to see a Rooney, Turley, Garvey half back line, solid, unspectacular, but do their defensive duties first and foremost.  But this will never happen and it likely to be McKernan and Branningan that get the slots imo.

The half forward line is also tricky especially without Danny available.  Alot of people seem to rate Maginn including James but i dont think he brings enough to the table.  In Dannys absence id like to see Carr and McKernan as the wing forwards but James is likely to plumb for Maginn and Carr at this stage.

Doyle at 15 is what he went with against Donegal and i think it worked to an extent and is worth another go on saturday.
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Post by: PAULD123 on July 31, 2012, 02:46:53 PM
I agree with WhiteGM except I think McParland should play. If Gordon plays FB then we only have King & Ambrose in Midfield. McParland has the height and mobility to add to this area. I personally think in posessesion he has a lot more skill than Turley. Against Cork in the league semi-final Turley wasted most of his possession. He did well to get it but then kicked a lot of bad passes.

It is only by playing McParland will he understand how to step up to the required level. One thing I would say is that I also would like to see Rooney play. For that matter I would like to see big Arthur in too. But realstically neither of these players will start.

personally I hope that whoever starts McKernan does not start in HB line. As MourneRover says if he focused he is good. The problem is that he has done nothing to show that focus and does nothing to imply he will be against Mayo. I now consider him a liability and a time on the bench may give him that focus.

As regards Danny Hughes. Does anyone know exactly how bad his injury is? Is he definitely out for the Quarter final? What is the prognosis for his recovery time?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on July 31, 2012, 07:06:26 PM
There needs to be a 'horses for courses' selection at half back. Kevin McLaughlin will start for Mayo at right half forward and he is key to their 'A' game and therefore needs to stoped. He wins breaking ball, drops back to defend, and most importantly generates scoring opportunities by running from deep. Perhaps the best man to mind him would be Conor Garvey?
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Post by: Mourne Rover on July 31, 2012, 08:18:38 PM
Whitegoodman is correct to point out concerns over Doyle's pace and McKernan's concentration, but the expectation is that they would be covered by Maginn and Carr on most occasions. Doyle as we all know has been incredibly unlucky with injuries but he is a qualify performer with a big match temperament as well as being on his day an exceptional free-taker. While McKernan has yet to develop in the way we hoped, he has shown in the past that he has the ability of a potential All Star. They are the most talented wing half backs available to us, but, depending on requirements, Garvey remains our best marker.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 31, 2012, 09:07:44 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on July 31, 2012, 08:18:38 PM
Whitegoodman is correct to point out concerns over Doyle's pace and McKernan's concentration, but the expectation is that they would be covered by Maginn and Carr on most occasions. Doyle as we all know has been incredibly unlucky with injuries but he is a qualify performer with a big match temperament as well as being on his day an exceptional free-taker. While McKernan has yet to develop in the way we hoped, he has shown in the past that he has the ability of a potential All Star. They are the most talented wing half backs available to us, but, depending on requirements, Garvey remains our best marker.

I like Garvey. The sort of player we dont have enough of. He's a dog...anyone from this neck of the woods knows thats a compliment. Someone who is up his man's hole all the time, afraid of nothing, blocking, harrying, tackling, giving the odd wee dig but always giving 100%. We need another 3 or 4 players like him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 01, 2012, 11:08:47 AM
To be honest a half back line with two or more of Doyle, Carr and McKernan would scare the sh1t out of me.

They're all great on the ball, and in an ideal world we'd find room for all of them in them in our team.

But their mentality is each more of a half-forward than a half-back. For example, any half-back would love someone of McKernan's energy and class playing in front of them as wing-forward. But if you're a half-forward and every time you look around he has overlapped you, it continually puts the onus on you to do the dirty work. The roles get confused. This was epitomised in the second half of the Ulster final.

The best performance any of us have seen by Down in recent memory was against Kerry two years ago. The foundations for that performance was in Garvey and Rooney marking their men to death, and McKernan holding back his natural attacking instinct (90%of the time) and protecting Big Dan at full-back. Kerry didn't get overlapping runs going, and the route one ball to Donaghy had to be amazingly accurate. I'd like to see something similar this weekend.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 01, 2012, 01:10:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 01, 2012, 11:08:47 AM
To be honest a half back line with two or more of Doyle, Carr and McKernan would scare the sh1t out of me.

They're all great on the ball, and in an ideal world we'd find room for all of them in them in our team.

But their mentality is each more of a half-forward than a half-back. For example, any half-back would love someone of McKernan's energy and class playing in front of them as wing-forward. But if you're a half-forward and every time you look around he has overlapped you, it continually puts the onus on you to do the dirty work. The roles get confused. This was epitomised in the second half of the Ulster final.

The best performance any of us have seen by Down in recent memory was against Kerry two years ago. The foundations for that performance was in Garvey and Rooney marking their men to death, and McKernan holding back his natural attacking instinct (90%of the time) and protecting Big Dan at full-back. Kerry didn't get overlapping runs going, and the route one ball to Donaghy had to be amazingly accurate. I'd like to see something similar this weekend.





+1

I had mentioned earlier that i would like to see a half back line of Rooney, Turley and Garvey.  It would be more natural to Turley to do what McKernan did against Kerry than it would be for Kevin.  Ok he may not be a great ball player but we have enough of them elsewhere in the team.

All 3 are good athletes, do the dirty work, want to defend, can put in a hit when necessary and are all over 6ft and would create a presence which we currently lack when teams are coming through the middle of us.

However I would nearly put my house on it that neither Rooney or Turley will feature at the weekend and you will see Garvey. McKernan and Brannigan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on August 01, 2012, 01:58:42 PM
To approach from the other perspective and at the risk of appearing negative the players that I would leave on the bench are:

Brannigan
E McCartan
Hughes

Players I would call from the bench as the game develops:

O'Hare
Doyle
Rooney
McKernan


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 01, 2012, 02:47:21 PM
Here's my stab at a team (for what its worth) ;D

Mc Veigh

O'Hagan
Gordon
McArdle

Rooney
Garvey
McParland

Rogers
King

McKernan
Poland
Carr

Coulter
Laverty
Doyle

My half back line is solid, if unspectacular.  However McKernan, Poland and Carr will all be running between the 2 45s to add some fluidity/creativity.  Doyle to act as sweeper - those gaping holes that were exposed in the Ulster final need to be plugged.  I feel James will have no room for Rooney though, and we could well see Brannigan and O'Hare in his starting 15.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on August 01, 2012, 07:37:41 PM
What Down need at the back on Saturday is pace and agression and plenty of it!!  Carr and Doyle would be exposed on the wide open spaces of Croke Park.  The 6 defenders should be O'Hagan, Gordon, Brannigan, Garvey, McArdle and McKernan.  I dont care if none of the defenders dont score or they dont cross the half way line as long as they win their individual battles, are in the Mayo faces, limit the amount of scoreable frees and really make them work for their scores then it's all you can ask for!  King in round the middle annoying the shite out of big Aidan O'Shea and Ambrose with the licence to push and link the play as well as hit the odd score.  Early ball into Lavery and co and Mayo wont live with us!  Dont over complicate things... 2 fit and willing runners at wing forward ideally Hughes and Maginn working back helping out picking up dity ball.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 02, 2012, 07:58:25 PM
Why is there so much talk of Rooney when he hasn't played all year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 02, 2012, 08:07:47 PM
Because we have exhausted every other half back option on the panel and not many have excelled and Rooney is now fit and playing football again.

Mckernan, brannigan, Mcparland or Carr are not better half backs than Rooney IMO especially for what we need our half backs in this particular down team to be, solid and compact.

Don't worry though, can't see him being near first 15.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 02, 2012, 09:36:37 PM
McParland did well in the league until injuring his hand and missing the whole USC. He looked uncertain making his championship debut in Mullingar, and, while his time will come again, it would taking a big chance to start him at Croke Park. We are fortunate that Carr, McKernan, Doyle and Duffin are well capable of playing in the half forwards or half backs, giving us plenty of options. Brannigan does not really have the quality of those four, but he does bring pace, aggression and a work ethic and James usually favours him. While Rooney is a decent player,  the indications are that he has moved down the pecking order. Hopefully a team will be named later tonight and perhaps it might even be the real one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on August 02, 2012, 11:13:01 PM
Rooney was our best defender by far in our road to Croke Park in 2010.
Carr & Mckernan are liabilities - shiny ball-players who do not do the
hard yards. Discuss.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on August 02, 2012, 11:32:18 PM
While i agree with you Leo on Carr and especially Mc Kernan how could anyone suggest Rooney , This lad hasnt played a game all year and is only recently back playing for Burren. He couldnt possibly be at the same standard of fitness or thinking to even be considered for a start on Saturday. He may of had a good 2010 but that was 2 years ago
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on August 03, 2012, 01:44:38 AM
If Rooney is fully fit then I would have him on the team, along with Garvey I feel he's one of our best natural defenders - does the unspectacular hard work and I would have a lot more confidence in him than the likes of Brannigan. One of the things I would fear for on Saturday is the fact that Mayo seem to have developed an effective defensive system (exemplified by the Cork game last year) whereas there's been little evidence this year of the defensive solidity we had in 2010 for example. We have the forwards to trouble any team - Hughes, Poland, Laverty, Coulter et al - but our defence has been a serious weak point this year. On another point, I can't help but wish Paul McComiskey was available for this game, a serious player who should have blossomed after 2010 but for various reasons, hasn't.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 03, 2012, 12:40:55 PM
McVeigh
O'Hagan
Gordon
Garvey
McParland
McKernan
McArdle
Rodgers
King
Carr
Poland
Maginn
Coulter
Laverty
McCartan

The named team anyhow, probably be at least one change as per usual!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 03, 2012, 12:51:15 PM
I would like to see Doyle feature and hopefully he will.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 03, 2012, 01:05:51 PM
Pretty much as expected, only changes could be doyle for mccartan or brannigan for mcparland but that is mere speculation on my part.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on August 03, 2012, 03:41:38 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 03, 2012, 12:40:55 PM
McVeigh
O'Hagan
Gordon
Garvey
McParland
McKernan
McArdle
Rodgers
King
Carr
Poland
Maginn
Coulter
Laverty
McCartan

The named team anyhow, probably be at least one change as per usual!

No major surprises in the team this week..... Mc Kernan back in half back is a good call - he is big player for the big day.... Surprised that Brannigan aint included tho. But as already stated - he may start yet!!!
Big game tonight in Bridge v Bryansford.  Should be a good indicator how both panels will cope with upcoming championship.  Both Missing key players but should be good enough game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 03, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
Bridge 2.14 Bryansford 1.11.  Micheal Lively and Chris Brannigan got straight reds.
Clonduff 1.11 Downpatrick 1.8
Stone and Kilcoo drew 13 points each.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on August 03, 2012, 09:33:41 PM
Cathal Magee is playing some stuff for the Bridge.  He has improved greatly since he was with the county for the McKenna cup a few years back.  He is worth a shot for next season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on August 03, 2012, 09:43:33 PM
Quote from: amallon on August 03, 2012, 09:33:41 PM
Cathal Magee is playing some stuff for the Bridge.  He has improved greatly since he was with the county for the McKenna cup a few years back.  He is worth a shot for next season.

Just like to echo a mallon, big geezer is by far one of the best performers for the bridge this season if not the best! Great target man that can score.

Ciaran Brannagan had another one of his usual stinkers tonight, dont know how he was appointed tonight with the Ford playing Clonduff next week. He couldnt wait to send Chris brannigan off never mind Micheal! Total tosspot!!!!

Good luck to Down tomorrow!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on August 03, 2012, 10:39:37 PM
I agree that Cathal Magee is having a great year after viewing him on a number of occasions this year.

Was at the Stone and Magpies game, where Brendan Rice was again the top performer on view tonight as some of the decisions he gave against both sides were nothing short of a disgrace! Why are our supposedly top referees always trying to steal the limelight from our games??? The last 10 minutes of the game he gave the stone very handy frees to give them a chance to level up the game with the magpies a goal up. Minute into injury time a free was kicked into the box and was deflected into the net via a deflaction. Before the keeper set the next ball up, he blew for full time??
He must be back at the betting office again. Good odds on a drawn game tonight.

In term of general play, both sides were very committed in a hard game where no quarter was given. Stone got 12+ bodies behind the ball and broke at speed to cause the magpies problems. Kilcoo couldn't break down the blanket defense and depended on long range points. Stone got three handy enough goals via a dubious penalty decision for the first.
Possession was dominated by Kilcoo but they couldn't convert to scores.
Best for the stone were per usual Ryan Kelly and Mark Doran. Best for Kilcoo were Niall McEvoy and Donal Kane.

Good luck to Down for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 03, 2012, 11:51:04 PM
According to downgaa.net, Ardglass lost at home tonight to Darragh Cross, who were only three points ahead of them in the league before the game, by 0-5 to no score. Ardtole is always a difficult venue for visiting teams, even if Ardglass have been hit by economic factors, and it is hard to remember a senior fixture when they did not trouble the umpires. Is this result correct ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Statto-Gael on August 03, 2012, 11:58:21 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 03, 2012, 11:51:04 PM
According to downgaa.net, Ardglass lost at home tonight to Darragh Cross, who were only three points ahead of them in the league before the game, by 0-5 to no score. Ardtole is always a difficult venue for visiting teams, even if Ardglass have been hit by economic factors, and it is hard to remember a senior fixture when they did not trouble the umpires. Is this result correct ?

Its the standard way of reflecting a 'Did-Not-Field' - surprising tbh and not good at all for Ardglass but I understand that Darragh got the points without a ball being kicked
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Crossman on August 04, 2012, 02:35:56 AM
Yes,strange as it may seem Ardglass did not field tonight at home to Darragh!! Ardglass festival was on apparently and they couldn't get 15 to fulfill fixture....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 04, 2012, 02:57:34 AM
Quote from: Crossman on August 04, 2012, 02:35:56 AM
Yes,strange as it may seem Ardglass did not field tonight at home to Darragh!! Ardglass festival was on apparently and they couldn't get 15 to fulfill fixture....

I think it is in the By-Laws when a team doesn't field for an adult fixture in Down it is given as 0-05 to 0-00 against the team that fails to fulfil the fixture.

I have always maintained that over the past decade or so Ardglass have had the most talented players in the 3rd tier of Down football. Back around the mid noughties they made the Div 3 promotion playoffs for about 4 years on the trot but could never get to Div 2. Soccer always seemed to get in the way in one shape or another.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 04, 2012, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on August 03, 2012, 10:39:37 PM
I agree that Cathal Magee is having a great year after viewing him on a number of occasions this year.

Was at the Stone and Magpies game, where Brendan Rice was again the top performer on view tonight as some of the decisions he gave against both sides were nothing short of a disgrace! Why are our supposedly top referees always trying to steal the limelight from our games??? The last 10 minutes of the game he gave the stone very handy frees to give them a chance to level up the game with the magpies a goal up. Minute into injury time a free was kicked into the box and was deflected into the net via a deflaction. Before the keeper set the next ball up, he blew for full time??
He must be back at the betting office again. Good odds on a drawn game tonight.

In term of general play, both sides were very committed in a hard game where no quarter was given. Stone got 12+ bodies behind the ball and broke at speed to cause the magpies problems. Kilcoo couldn't break down the blanket defense and depended on long range points. Stone got three handy enough goals via a dubious penalty decision for the first.
Possession was dominated by Kilcoo but they couldn't convert to scores.
Best for the stone were per usual Ryan Kelly and Mark Doran. Best for Kilcoo were Niall McEvoy and Donal Kane.

Good luck to Down for tomorrow.
On the night I believe you got it wrong in terms of top performers. Darragh OHanlon was by far the outstanding player on view while Mark Doran was involved in all the stones good play. Michael Hughes won 5 kick outs from right half back and was very impressive against Donal IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on August 04, 2012, 10:33:18 AM
what balanced my decision MDG was the amount of times O'Hanlon fumbled the ball in open play and he also played a lot of the magpies players into trouble, particularly in the second half. He is still young but he will learn in time to come.
What did you think of the referring display MDG?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 04, 2012, 11:59:59 AM
On the topic of refs must say mark Domician took control of our game last night and was excellent. Has played the game and to coin a phrase knows the Craic
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 05, 2012, 03:29:44 PM
We are about to enter a strange period in Down football I think.

I'd imagine that Wee James has been wondering since around 3pm yesterday whether he can do anything more with this crop of players. A more practical assessment is over whether anyone can do much more with this group of players.

They're not a bad crop, but compared to the top 5-6 teams in the country, they are lacking in terms of height, pace and power. Even beyond our obvious defensive deficiencies and mental woes, this lack of athleticism means we can't realistically hope to win an All Ireland. We might take one of Cork, Mayo, Donegal or Dublin or day, but we're never going to take three of them out in one run.

So the county board have three choices:

Keep on James(if he's even interested) and eventually end up with the players he needs, or end up in total disenchantment.

Give another Down man a run at the job, fully aware that no Down man in recent memory has shown greater ability to get team playing a defensive system than McCartan.

Pay an expensive outsider to coach the sh1te out of our defence, but inevitably end up with no silverware.


There's no right answer there.

Given the mental breakdowns vs Donegal and Mayo, I'd love to see a clearout of the panel, in search of new blood, new leaders. But I know this would only weaken us. The 20 lads who played yesterday are all in the top 30 options we have.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on August 05, 2012, 06:43:30 PM
I'd like to see the clearout of the defensive coaching setup that has seen us ship embarrassing scores on a cricket scale to any team of note lately.
Let's get back to playing football with flair and natural instinct - we might still get beaten but we'll not get embarrassed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 05, 2012, 06:51:22 PM
Wobbler's assessment is bleak but probably fair. We may be in division one, but we are barely in the top ten overall when it comes to championship football and our defence would not be in the top 20. James deserves enormous credit for taking on a team which had underachieved for over a decade and turning them into a serious outfit who came within a kick of the ball of winning an All Ireland. However, for a number of reasons, we are not as strong as we were in 2010 and there is certainly a feeling about that James may believe he is due a break from it all.

It is hard to see an internal coach in Down club football who would have widespread support for a step up to the county job, although bringing in an outsider may not necessarily be as expensive as Wobbler suggests.

Brian McIver had the firm respect of the players when he coached us in 2010/2011, and clearly came within our budget at that time. He only left last year out of a sense of loyalty to Paddy Tally, but he would be fully entitled to start with a fresh set of assistants if he was offered the top post. He is still in his 50s, remains available, and would have to be a contender if a vacancy occurs.

The playing resources at his disposal would be another matter, and we would fairly obviously be in for a period of rebuilding with reduced expectations and a concentration on physical conditioning. That sort of approach has done Donegal no harm, but it will be a long hard road for whoever is in charge.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on August 05, 2012, 08:08:01 PM
As i have stated frequently, Down football is currently in a place. We are probably facing a raft of retirements. No sign of any suitable replacements on the Horizon. Very unlikely to retain Div.1 status next season. Where do we go from here. A long barren spell faces us, lets use it to go back to basics. Is James the Man too oversee this, probably not but we have no one better
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on August 05, 2012, 11:49:08 PM
Saturday's performance summed up the loss to key players such as Marty Clarke, John Clarke, James Colgan, Caolan Mooney, Paul McComiskey, Dee Rafferty, Ronan Murtagh and Pete Fitzpatrick. They really would have added substance to the panel as a whole but for one reason or another, they were not available to us and IMO the rest of the lads on the panel could not fill these voids.

I am still of the belief that we do have the players within our County to keep us at Division 1 standards, but the problem is getting the panel of players buying into the same system best suited to the style of Down football, which is fast, direct and potent. I also believe that we need to go man for man marking in defense and none of this zonal marking where players do nothing in defending space. But on the other hand, I don't think James trusts our players enough to go man for man.

I'm unsure of another term of the same management will progress us further but it is now a really difficult job for anyone to undertake. But if a change does come, I would like to see both Frank
Dawson and Jim McCorry take the post up In a joint team as there knowledge and records of Down football is second to none. But I would like to thank James and his team for all there efforts for the past season and wish them well whatever Is decided.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 05, 2012, 11:54:39 PM
I've never understood the concept of joint managers. Especially when there's no obvious bond between them.

Apart from Armagh's two Brians, I any even think of another joint management team that has ever won a thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 06, 2012, 02:07:39 PM
Down Fixtures


Tuesday August 7th(7.30pm)

Minor A  Championship

Round-Robin

Group 1

Burren v  Bredagh  (Neil Cousins)

Rostrevor v Glenn (Anthony Rodgers)

Group 2

Clonduff v Shamrocks     (Leo Smyth)

Loughinisland v Tullylish (CiaranBrannigan)         

Group 3

Saval v Castlewellan (Gregory McGrath)

Group 4

An Riocht v Mayobridge (Martin Brady)   

Carryduff v Warrenpoint (EamonMulvenna)

Minor B  Championship

Round-Robin 2nd

Group 1

Baileghlas v Longstone (Shane Lowey)

Group 2

Ballyholland v Saul (Paul Faloon)

Kilcoo v St Josephs (Martin Rawlinson)

Group 3

Bosco v Cill Dharach  (Dominic Kearns)

Clann na Derg v Mitchels (Ronan Barry)

Minor C  Championship

Quarter-Finals                       

St Johns v   Drumaness (Alan Grant)

Cill Breachtain v  Ardglass (Eugene O'Hare)             

Drumgath v  Atticall  (DeclanCarolan)

Wednesday Aug 8th (7.30pm)

Junior Football Championship  Group B

(Downpatrick) Ballykinlar  v Bright  (Mark Lynch)

Thursday August 9th

Intermediate   Football Championship  Round 1

Venue  Downpatrick

(7pm)DarraghCross V   St Johns (Martin Brady)

(8.30pm)BallymartinV   Ardglass  ( Leo Smyth)

VenueDundrum (7.30pm)

Tullylish v Saul (Shane Lowey)

VenueDrumaness  (7.30pm)

Bredagh v Carryduff (Martin Rawlinson)

U-16 B  Championship (7.30pm)

Group 1

Kilcoov Liatroim (Gavin Corrigan)

Group 2

Clann na Derg   v  An  Riocht(Fearghal Laverty)



AC U16FL Div 3 (7.30pm)

Drumclone V Cill Breachtain (Rory McShane)



Longstone VTeconnaught(Anthony Rodgers)

Dromara  v Glenn (Danny Mc Kay)

Shamrocks B v St Josephs (Gregory Mc Grath)
Friday August 10th
Senior Football Championship  Round 2

PAIRC ESLER

(7pm)Mayobridge v  Saval (Oliver Burke )

(8.30pm)Longstone v  Burren(Martin Rawlinson)

Intermediate   Football Championship  Round 1



Venue Glenn (7.30pm)

Clanna na Banna v St John Bosco (Gary Smith)

Saturday August 11th

Senior Football  Championship  Qualifiers

Venue Hilltown

(2pm)  Shamrocks   v  AnRiocht (Damian Laverty)

(3.30pm) Ballyholland v  Liatroim(Neil Cousins)

Venue Newcastle

(5pm)Rostrevor v Kilclief (Kieran Trainor)

(6.45pm)Loughinisland v Downpatrick (Gavin Corrigan)

Sunday August 12th

JFC Round Robin Rd 2

(1pm)

Group A

(Annaclone)St Michaels v  Drumaness

(DarraghCross)Teconnaught v  Dromara

Group B

(Bright) Ballykinlarv  Dundrum

(Drumaness)StPauls v  Bright 

Group C 

(Clonduff)Aughlisnafin v  Aghaderg

(Castlewellan)Killyleagh  v   Mitchels

Intermediate   FootballChampionship  Round 1

Venue   Pairc Esler(5.30pm)

Annaclone v Glasdrumman (Peter Brannigan)

Senior Football  Championship  Round 2

Venue  Pairc Esler  (7pm)

Kilcoo v Castlewellan  (Brendan Rice)

Monday August 13th

Senior Football  Championship  Round 2

Venue  Castlewellan  (7pm)

Clonduff v Bryansford  (Con Reynolds)

Intermediate   FootballChampionship  Round 1

Venue  Burren

(7pm)Warrenpoint   v Glenn (Feaghal Laverty)

(8.30pm)Drumgath   v  Atticall ( Ronan Barry)

ACFL Div 3  Rd 12

Balllymartin v   Darragh Cross (Jim Burns)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 07, 2012, 12:46:21 PM
While the future looks uncertain for Down for 2013, player and manager wise. we need to give the likes of Dan gordan, Benny, Danny hughes a break for the league thats if they dont retire before hand.
time to blood a few new guys and forget about league safety. at the end of the day we beat Mayo and donegal this year in league and they both destroyed us in championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 07, 2012, 11:54:33 PM
QuoteSaturday August 11th

Senior Football  Championship  Qualifiers

Venue Newcastle

(5pm)Rostrevor v Kilclief (Kieran Trainor)

(6.45pm)Loughinisland v Downpatrick (Gavin Corrigan)

A ridiculous choice of venue for these 4 teams on this particular day.  God knows how teams or suppporters are gonna get near the place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 08, 2012, 08:23:23 AM
Good point No 1 - that's the day of the air show.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on August 09, 2012, 01:57:47 AM
Crazy,thoughtless,careless planning, there will be tailbacks all the way to Loughinisland, and no parking if and when you get there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on August 09, 2012, 01:13:06 PM
In the build up to the upcoming Down Club SFC fixtures in the next few days I have complied a team that I believe are the best players in their position in Division One currently outside the county panel (Just to clarify ex-county players have been excluded, although a few of these have flirted on the outskirts of the panel in recent times). I also know there are some Div 2 teams playing in the SFC but I haven't been to any div 2 games this year, and so I cannot say who is playing well etc.

Anyway, here is my tuppence worth....

1)Mickey Cunningham (Castlewellan)
2)Stevie Toner (Bryansford)
3)Jamie Barr (Mayobridge)
4)Nial McEvoy (Kilcoo)
5)Darragh O Hanlon (Kilcoo)
6)Ciaran McGovern (Burren)
7)Michael Hughes (Longstone)
8)Niall Madine (Saval)
9Felim McGreevy (Kilcoo)
10)Eamonn McGovern (Burren)
11)Jason Brown (Clonduff)
12)Liam McKibben (Castlewellan)
13)Ryan Kelly (Longstone)
14)Eamon Toner (Burren)
15)Cathal Magee (Mayobridge)

?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 09, 2012, 02:18:10 PM
Quote from: wildrover on August 09, 2012, 01:13:06 PM
In the build up to the upcoming Down Club SFC fixtures in the next few days I have complied a team that I believe are the best players in their position in Division One currently outside the county panel (Just to clarify ex-county players have been excluded, although a few of these have flirted on the outskirts of the panel in recent times). I also know there are some Div 2 teams playing in the SFC but I haven't been to any div 2 games this year, and so I cannot say who is playing well etc.

Anyway, here is my tuppence worth....

1)Mickey Cunningham (Castlewellan)
2)Stevie Toner (Bryansford)
3)Jamie Barr (Mayobridge)
4)Nial McEvoy (Kilcoo)
5)Darragh O Hanlon (Kilcoo)
6)Ciaran McGovern (Burren)
7)Michael Hughes (Longstone)
8)Niall Madine (Saval)
9Felim McGreevy (Kilcoo)
10)Eamonn McGovern (Burren)
11)Jason Brown (Clonduff)
12)Liam McKibben (Castlewellan)
13)Ryan Kelly (Longstone)
14)Eamon Toner (Burren)
15)Cathal Magee (Mayobridge)

?????

Unashamed bias here I know but you would need to find room in there for Robbie White and Soupy (Damien) Campbell.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on August 09, 2012, 02:30:33 PM
 :D

Knew I would be lambasted from the Ballyholland posters about the omission of Robbie White. It was a toss-up between him and Darragh O Hanlon in the Wing Half Back position (where White did a lot of damage against us), but I went with O Hanlon as I have seen more of him in action (I appreciate that's not particularly fair or scientific reasoning but no matter).....

Soupy Campbell I don't know a whole pile about....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 09, 2012, 09:47:38 PM
IFC

Bredagh 0-14 V 2-5 Carryduff

Any other results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 09, 2012, 09:58:13 PM
Super result for Bredagh.  Must be nearly 20y+ since they got one over their old rivals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 09, 2012, 10:04:04 PM
IFC 1st Round
Tullylish 0-18  Saul 0-08
Darragh Cross 4-09  St Johns 1-09
Ballymartin 0-14  Ardglass 1-09
Bredagh 0-14  Carryduff 2-05

Tullylish and Saul was a game of two halves. It was 0-05 each at halftime but the Lish outscored Saul 0-13 to 0-03 in the second period. Gareth Johnston was outstanding at centre half back while Chris McGovern done most of the scoring for the winners.

Massive result for Bredagh tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 09, 2012, 10:04:23 PM
No it's not! Maybe in the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 09, 2012, 10:28:43 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 09, 2012, 09:47:38 PM
IFC

Bredagh 0-14 V 2-5 Carryduff

Any other results?

F@@k me,14 scores to 7, that's a rout. Bredagh Coming into hot form before our league meeting next week..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Faceinthecrowd on August 09, 2012, 11:08:29 PM
Bredagh as a team were very impressive this evening, 1-03 to 0-01 down after 10 minutes and 2-05 to 0-04 just before half time. Bredagh took a point just before the half-time whistle to leave 6 in it at the break. Two good goals from Carryduff was all that was made the difference as bredagh competed well in the opening half. Second half was all bredagh as they kept their division 2 rivals scoreless and notched over 9 deserved points. Bredagh won the middle third battle hands down in the second half, showing an abundance of hard work and serious pressure on the ball, Carryduff just couldn't shake free. Bredagh were very good in all departments with Niall mulholland at chf and Danny Nolan at cf very impressive. Bredagh also very impressive along the line with the right changes at the right time. Well done and a brilliant spirited performance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on August 09, 2012, 11:21:16 PM
As the senior chamionship is being run with stupid rules i think the intermidate games throw up a couple of really good knock out ties.  Yes tonight the Bredagh result to me was a big big shock, Tullylish had alot of experience going into that game. Annaclone v Glassdrumman is an interesting game with both teams fling at the top of their respective Divisions.  I,ll go for Clone (but could be close) on the basis that they seem to have a few more footballers on their team.  Another interesting game in my opinion from looking at the table and results this season is the clash of Clann na Banna v Newry Bosco again Clann na Banna wil be Favorites but both teams have game changing players on their teams and again i expect a close run outcome and both teams will fancy their chances of progressing.  Its hard to beat knock out football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Atticus_Finch on August 10, 2012, 07:09:29 PM
Any good place to get updates (twitter etc) on the Down games tonight ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 10, 2012, 09:33:52 PM
Bosco and Clann na Banna drew tonight in glenn in the Intermediate Championship.Bosco were up by 7 at half time. Banbridge threw everything at them after ht and were perhaps lucky to get the draw, chris duggan pulling the strings at FF for bosco who IMO should have taken duggan out to centre field in the second half.

Full time score was Bosco 2.10 Clann na Banna 3.07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 10, 2012, 10:08:35 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 09, 2012, 10:04:23 PM
No it's not! Maybe in the championship.
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on August 09, 2012, 09:58:13 PM
Super result for Bredagh.  Must be nearly 20y+ since they got one over their old rivals.

2 years ago in Cherryvale was in fact the last time we met, and Bredagh won, think it was by a point.  the IFC result was a great result given we were 1-3 to 0-0 down, and I think we were 6 down a ht as well. Carryduff diddnt score on the second half, too many to mention, but an excellent all round performance indeed and well done to all our boys.

Pity the Dundrum game wasnt this weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on August 10, 2012, 10:24:13 PM
Just watched the two games in Pairc Esler tonight on Destination Newry there. Must state that it was good coverage of the games so fair play to Destination Newry and all involved.

But I would say the main talking point of the evening must be about how Burren overcame Longstone by one point with the aid of some VERY dubious refereeing decisions from Marty Rawllinson from Bryansford.
Ryan Kelly had a fair goal disallowed after being fouled, but he played on and grabbed a goal with about 8 minutes left before the referee called it back for a free when the ball hit the net.
How Declan Rooney stayed on the field after 3 cynical fouls when on a yellow card is beyond me and a few other dubious decisions towards the end of game. I would be livid if I was a Stone supporter at that match!

Bridge just did enough to get over a difficult Saval side where the likes of Coulter, Garvey and Sexton struggled to have an influence on the game. Johnny Hughes had a great performance for Saval from Corner back, but they badly missed Danny Hughes for an added few scores. But IMO the Bridge will become a stronger side in the next round after getting the rustiness away after this round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dodgy umpire on August 11, 2012, 08:54:20 AM
It's been said on this board countless times before but the personal abuse of referees online is a disgrace and has to stop. I am not questioning Longstone's right to feel aggrieved, but there can be no justification for the attacks being made on the referee's character via the Down GAA Facebook page etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 11, 2012, 02:11:57 PM
We got out of jail last night. There is no other thing to say. Our defence was exposed and we got away with countless fouling. Frank you have a lot of work to do and I think that you done too much heavy training over the past few weeks. But we are still the team to beat and it nice to win by a small margin. No one will be looking to get the Stone as they have some lethal forwards.
Saval put up a brave fight against a Bridge team that did not play to their potential but I never thought they were in any danger and they moved up a gear when they wanted to. They have 5 great young lads and Lively to come back into the squad so they are still a threat to our crown and they have shown that they have a strong squad by pulling out some great results lately in the league.  Brendan Rooney has the height and strength to be a county defender. He is not that great on the ball but he is fast and will win an individual battle.
On a final note I was disappointed in some Mayobridge fans who were openly cheering for Longstone last night and were very vociferous. Is the jealously that bad?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fender on August 11, 2012, 03:40:46 PM
Lecale, your boys chomping at the bit to stop Dundrum?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on August 11, 2012, 03:50:21 PM
Anyone know the An Riocht score?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 11, 2012, 04:46:46 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on August 11, 2012, 03:50:21 PM
Anyone know the An Riocht score?
an riocht 2-10 shamrocks 1-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 11, 2012, 09:44:07 PM
Harps played poorly but were comfortable in the end V Liatroim..4 point win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 11, 2012, 09:45:19 PM
Down SFC
Downpatrick 0-11  Loughinisland 0-03
Kilclief 0-09  Rostrevor 2-23
Liatroim 0-09  Ballyholland 2-07
Shamrocks 1-09  An Riocht 2-10

Island finished their game with 12 men. 3 saw reds. An ageing Kilclief were just simply outclassed by Rostrevor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on August 11, 2012, 09:50:03 PM
Who was sent off for Loughinisland ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 11, 2012, 10:07:24 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on August 11, 2012, 09:50:03 PM
Who was sent off for Loughinisland ?

Two straight reds and a yellow/red combo. Don't quote me on that though. Think it was Dom McClements, John McCarthy and Seamy O'Hare who got the line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on August 12, 2012, 10:05:31 PM
All games in club championship going as expected so far and with a clonduff win tomorrow night - the top four clubs in the county are into the quarter finals automatically.  Is there any real need for this new system? The cream always rises anyhow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 13, 2012, 10:26:24 AM
May not have been as straight forward if Burren hadn't got that last minute point!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 13, 2012, 10:38:27 AM
Quote from: supersub on August 13, 2012, 10:26:24 AM
May not have been as straight forward if Burren hadn't got that last minute point!!

or if castlewellan could shoot!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on August 13, 2012, 11:28:30 AM
Quote from: wildrover on August 09, 2012, 01:13:06 PM
In the build up to the upcoming Down Club SFC fixtures in the next few days I have complied a team that I believe are the best players in their position in Division One currently outside the county panel (Just to clarify ex-county players have been excluded, although a few of these have flirted on the outskirts of the panel in recent times). I also know there are some Div 2 teams playing in the SFC but I haven't been to any div 2 games this year, and so I cannot say who is playing well etc.

Anyway, here is my tuppence worth....

1)Mickey Cunningham (Castlewellan)
2)Stevie Toner (Bryansford)
3)Jamie Barr (Mayobridge)
4)Nial McEvoy (Kilcoo)
5)Darragh O Hanlon (Kilcoo)
6)Ciaran McGovern (Burren)
7)Michael Hughes (Longstone)
8)Niall Madine (Saval)
9Felim McGreevy (Kilcoo)
10)Eamonn McGovern (Burren)
11)Jason Brown (Clonduff)
12)Liam McKibben (Castlewellan)
13)Ryan Kelly (Longstone)
14)Eamon Toner (Burren)
15)Cathal Magee (Mayobridge)

?????

Not being bias folks but Chris Killen has been a standout preformer for An Rioch this season. Averaging 6 points a game, worth a try out atleast in my opinion. Also, young Paddy Gartland also giving some sterling displays aswell
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 13, 2012, 12:44:54 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on August 13, 2012, 11:28:30 AM
Quote from: wildrover on August 09, 2012, 01:13:06 PM
In the build up to the upcoming Down Club SFC fixtures in the next few days I have complied a team that I believe are the best players in their position in Division One currently outside the county panel (Just to clarify ex-county players have been excluded, although a few of these have flirted on the outskirts of the panel in recent times). I also know there are some Div 2 teams playing in the SFC but I haven't been to any div 2 games this year, and so I cannot say who is playing well etc.

Anyway, here is my tuppence worth....

1)Mickey Cunningham (Castlewellan)
2)Stevie Toner (Bryansford)
3)Jamie Barr (Mayobridge)
4)Nial McEvoy (Kilcoo)
5)Darragh O Hanlon (Kilcoo)
6)Ciaran McGovern (Burren)
7)Michael Hughes (Longstone)
8)Niall Madine (Saval)
9Felim McGreevy (Kilcoo)
10)Eamonn McGovern (Burren)
11)Jason Brown (Clonduff)
12)Liam McKibben (Castlewellan)
13)Ryan Kelly (Longstone)
14)Eamon Toner (Burren)
15)Cathal Magee (Mayobridge)

?????

Not being bias folks but Chris Killen has been a standout preformer for An Rioch this season. Averaging 6 points a game, worth a try out atleast in my opinion. Also, young Paddy Gartland also giving some sterling displays aswell

No chance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 13, 2012, 01:14:39 PM
Was at a few games at the wkend but not all and there werent too many playes that stood out, even our "county" players.  One player that did impress was Ryan Kelly.  Like most of our forwards he is very light which might stand against him but he should be given a go in Mckenna cup next year.

Have to say also that the quality in the first half of the kilcoo and Castlewellan match was as bad as ive seen in a while.  In fact the standard across the board this year in the league has been terrible.  Im not sure whether this is because the league is a bit of a nonsense this year and that there is this stupid back door system in the championship or if there is just a general slip in standards, either way it is hard to watch at times and doesnt look great for the prospects of our county side.

Another gripe i have is why does the championship have to be played one week after the county are finished.  With the next round for the winners this weekend not due to play until the middle of september was there not plenty of time to get these games played.  It basically meant that any team with county players had 2 training sessions with them before going into their most important match of the year to date.  This may be ok if a team has 1 or 2 panalists but if a team has 4 or 5 then it doesnt give them much time to bed into the team or the system.  For a club having county players can at times be more of a hinderance than an honour!!!!

Rant over.........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 13, 2012, 03:38:30 PM
I agree that the standard of club football in Down is poor at the moment.

Bar Burren who have recently represented the county with distinction in the Ulster Club SFC, our Intermediate and Junior teams have been continually outclassed in their Ulster campaigns.

Correct me if im wrong but we are yet to have a representative in the Ulster IFC or JFC Final since both competitions became official. Burren and the Bridge have made SFC Finals but I would rank us at the bottom of the pile in Ulster along with Donegal in terms of Ulster success across the three grades.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on August 13, 2012, 04:32:13 PM
DF Down clubs have poor records at junior and intermediate level for a few reasons,one being that clubs in other counties can enter junior or intermediate despite playing at a higher standard of league football. For example Culloville who won the Ulster Intermediate last year are an established Div 1 team in Armagh,it would be like Saval entering the Intermediate in Down. Ulster should apply a grading system across the counties.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 13, 2012, 04:39:33 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on August 13, 2012, 04:32:13 PM
DF Down clubs have poor records at junior and intermediate level for a few reasons,one being that clubs in other counties can enter junior or intermediate despite playing at a higher standard of league football. For example Culloville who won the Ulster Intermediate last year are an established Div 1 team in Armagh,it would be like Saval entering the Intermediate in Down. Ulster should apply a grading system across the counties.

That system only really applied in Armagh, Cavan and Antrim and as far as im aware it has now been done away with in Armagh. Tyrone and Monaghan consistently do well at IFC and JFC level and their system of championship grading is based on League placings like our own.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on August 13, 2012, 04:47:15 PM
I remember a couple of seasons ago when Tullylish played Lisnaskea in the first round of the Intermediate Ulster Championship. Lisnaskea were a Fermanagh 1st Division side who actually went on to win the All Ireland that year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 13, 2012, 08:50:18 PM
Down sfc result Clonduff 2-8 bryansford 2-11.Qualifier draw is Clonduff v rostrevor, An Riocht v Longstone, Ballyholland v Saval & Downpatrick v Castlewellan .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on August 13, 2012, 09:21:24 PM
IFC Result

Warrenpoint 2-10 V 0-8 Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 13, 2012, 09:27:59 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on August 13, 2012, 08:50:18 PM
Down sfc result Clonduff 2-8 bryansford 2-11.Qualifier draw is Clonduff v rostrevor, An Riocht v Longstone, Ballyholland v Saval & Downpatrick v Castlewellan .

Finally the championship comes alive. Some interesting draws there.  The top 8 teams in the county are all likely to be in the quarter finals.  This system really suits the bigger teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on August 13, 2012, 09:36:43 PM
Any word of the intermediate draw?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 13, 2012, 09:37:56 PM
The top 4 teams are already in the quarter final. Bryansford and mayobridge could be hard to stop with top young players all due home soon. Some boost to both clubs.
Very disappointed with Clonduff tonight, they should have been fit for a depleted ford side but where second best in most areas of the park. Ciaran brannigan, Toner, gribben, king and Hanna led the line brilliantly for he ford. Mcconnville was found wanting against king and has a long way to go to become a top county player. Conor og Ohagan was the yellows main threat while lively, Darren Ohagan and Paul mcconnville battled gamely in defence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 13, 2012, 09:49:47 PM
Quote from: cloneman on August 13, 2012, 09:36:43 PM
Any word of the intermediate draw?

wont be until after the reply between Bosco and Clann an Banna
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on August 13, 2012, 09:52:31 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 13, 2012, 09:49:47 PM
Quote from: cloneman on August 13, 2012, 09:36:43 PM
Any word of the intermediate draw?

wont be until after the reply between Bosco and Clann an Banna
Dead on. Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on August 13, 2012, 09:58:45 PM
Quote from: cloneman on August 13, 2012, 09:52:31 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 13, 2012, 09:49:47 PM
Quote from: cloneman on August 13, 2012, 09:36:43 PM
Any word of the intermediate draw?

wont be until after the reply between Bosco and Clann an Banna
Dead on. Cheers

Any word on when replay is? I heard the 1st game was decent game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 13, 2012, 10:13:37 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on August 13, 2012, 09:58:45 PM
Quote from: cloneman on August 13, 2012, 09:52:31 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 13, 2012, 09:49:47 PM
Quote from: cloneman on August 13, 2012, 09:36:43 PM
Any word of the intermediate draw?

wont be until after the reply between Bosco and Clann an Banna
Dead on. Cheers

Any word on when replay is? I heard the 1st game was decent game

24th August in M'Bridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on August 13, 2012, 10:33:58 PM
A fantastic game of football on show in Castlewellan tonight with the Ford (deservedly so) advanced to the quarter finals of the Down Senior Championship after a great attacking display.

Finally.... a championship game where no defensive systems were in place, no negativity and no cynical fouling from both sides. It was 15 against 15, man for man where both sides attacked at every opportunity. I was really impressed with the Fords play tonight as they moved the ball with pace and accuracy, which caused the yellas defense alot of problems with an unusual Philip Bonny at full forward breaking the ball down to Brannigan and Co where they got alot of success from. We really got our monies worth tonight compared to the previous games on show this weekend. Scorers were:

B'Ford:
Ciaran Brannigan 0-6 (5 frees)
Timmy Hannah 1-0
Conor Gribben 1-1
Aidan Keenan 0-2
Conor Maginn 0-2

Clonduff:
Conor Og O'Hagan 1-2
Jason Brown 0-3 (3 frees)
Arthur McConville 0-1
Kieran Trainor 1-1
Finbarr McConville 0-1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on August 13, 2012, 10:45:48 PM
ifc drumgath. 2   10   attical 1  7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on August 14, 2012, 09:11:10 AM
Quote from: lucan on August 13, 2012, 10:45:48 PM
ifc drumgath. 2   10   attical 1  7

Word has it that Drumgath are quietly confident and will be hard stopped the year in the IFC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on August 14, 2012, 12:43:56 PM
In the hat for the quarter final draw of IFC:
Warrenpoint, Drumgath, Annaclone, Tullylish, Clann Na Banna/Bosco, Ballymartin, Bredagh & Darragh Cross

Bredgah was the surprise package of the last round, closely followed by Bosco's draw against the Bann. Who could be the dark horses of this championship? Warrenpoint, Annaclone and Drumgath would be my favourites but there is always a twist somewhere! Could be a very interesting IFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 14, 2012, 03:10:55 PM
Quote from: thebar on August 14, 2012, 09:11:10 AM
Quote from: lucan on August 13, 2012, 10:45:48 PM
ifc drumgath. 2   10   attical 1  7

Word has it that Drumgath are quietly confident and will be hard stopped the year in the IFC

Not to quiet if word is on the world wide web
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on August 14, 2012, 03:28:58 PM
Intermediate will be a close call, but you really have to fancy either warrenpoint or annaclone, both teams have the experience at a higher level. And both teeams would probably be best suited to competing for Ulster titles. Wasnt it Annaclone who only just got squeezed out by that team from Derry, Greenlough, last time? And Cookstown from Tyrone only just got past a Ballymartin team. On both occasions these two winning teams were continually flirting with div 1 status. the teams who win the intermediate in down are a mid table div 2 team at best usually.

Anyway outside of w'point and annaclone, i dont see an easy draw. everyone will be looking for bredagh i would have thought. Looking at the league results, Ballymartin, Drumgath & Bosco have been consistant and Darragh Cross have had a very unusual year in that they couldnt buy a win but now look strong. They were a very useful championship side a few years ago, unlucky to lose 2 successive finals.

Where do you put your money? Id say keep it in the pocket aas there will be no easy games and a few suprises.

Is the next round of IFC games not being played until September? The league will be over by then for div 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 14, 2012, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: When We Win on August 14, 2012, 03:28:58 PM
Intermediate will be a close call, but you really have to fancy either warrenpoint or annaclone, both teams have the experience at a higher level. And both teeams would probably be best suited to competing for Ulster titles. Wasnt it Annaclone who only just got squeezed out by that team from Derry, Greenlough, last time? And Cookstown from Tyrone only just got past a Ballymartin team. On both occasions these two winning teams were continually flirting with div 1 status. the teams who win the intermediate in down are a mid table div 2 team at best usually.

Anyway outside of w'point and annaclone, i dont see an easy draw. everyone will be looking for bredagh i would have thought. Looking at the league results, Ballymartin, Drumgath & Bosco have been consistant and Darragh Cross have had a very unusual year in that they couldnt buy a win but now look strong. They were a very useful championship side a few years ago, unlucky to lose 2 successive finals.

Where do you put your money? Id say keep it in the pocket aas there will be no easy games and a few suprises.

Is the next round of IFC games not being played until September? The league will be over by then for div 3.

Annaclone would be my tip. Warrenpoint aren't a safe bet as they usually have the potential to implode.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on August 14, 2012, 04:47:42 PM
We We Win

Fair point about Div 3 being over when the next round of the Championship is scheduled. However I don't think the leagues matter too much to anyone this year because of the restructure. Most of the teams in the 3rd will be fully geared up for the Championship as they will have already secured division 2 status for next year.

My dark horse for what it is worth would be Tullylish. Won it in 2010 and have the experience to maybe go far again. A 10 point victory over a fancied Saul side in th first round indicates that maybe the Tullylish boys want to give it a crack again. They would have it all to do though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on August 15, 2012, 12:31:06 AM
Who cares about IFC! Ironic that most posters on here seem to be more informed on KFC and IFC matters! I am sick reading horse shit from f**k wits - this used to be a great board to incite some proper informed opinions on down gaa!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 15, 2012, 12:43:17 AM
Wasn't that long ago you would have cared about intermediate. Youse arent exactly senior championship heavyweights by any stretch.Wind your neck in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on August 15, 2012, 08:43:37 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on August 15, 2012, 12:31:06 AM
Who cares about IFC! Ironic that most posters on here seem to be more informed on KFC and IFC matters! I am sick reading horse shit from f**k wits - this used to be a great board to incite some proper informed opinions on down gaa!

Catch yourself on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on August 15, 2012, 09:08:55 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on August 15, 2012, 12:31:06 AM
Who cares about IFC! Ironic that most posters on here seem to be more informed on KFC and IFC matters! I am sick reading horse shit from f**k wits - this used to be a great board to incite some proper informed opinions on down gaa!

Ridiculous first line there. Generally enjoy your posts but that line goes beyond the realm of arrogance. However the rest of this post is valid enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 15, 2012, 09:17:46 AM
Cannot wait for the 'stone v an riocht!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on August 15, 2012, 10:08:21 AM
Quote from: goldenyears on August 15, 2012, 12:31:06 AM
Who cares about IFC! Ironic that most posters on here seem to be more informed on KFC and IFC matters! I am sick reading horse shit from f**k wits - this used to be a great board to incite some proper informed opinions on down gaa!

What a tool.. You will care soon enough when your lot are back playing in it.. Never seen such unfounded crass arrogance! >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on August 15, 2012, 10:27:39 AM
 ;D ha ha
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 15, 2012, 10:52:43 AM
It appears GY is an extremely good fisherman ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 15, 2012, 01:41:49 PM
Has anyone any idea how Div 3 finishes this year? I've heard three different senarios to date:

1.  Who ever finishes top wins the league, no playofff
2. The top two teams play in a league final.
3. The teams that finish second and third play off in a semi final and then go into a league final against whoever finish top.


Can anyone confirm what is going to happen?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on August 15, 2012, 02:00:42 PM
'Has anyone any idea how Div 3 finishes this year? I've heard three different senarios to date:

1.  Who ever finishes top wins the league, no playofff
2. The top two teams play in a league final.
3. The teams that finish second and third play off in a semi final and then go into a league final against whoever finish top.


Can anyone confirm what is going to happen?'

The third option that you have, is the format for the playoffs for the 3rd Div.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on August 15, 2012, 07:27:34 PM
Re Division 3, whoever finishes top wins the league...no playoffs.
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Post by: lucan on August 15, 2012, 08:16:50 PM
regarding how div 3 ends. did u not know that only mi5 that is[ the county board] knows the procedure. of the 3 options outlined the first is definitely out . only 2 and 3 are feasable.. can we have the answer from mi5 please?..as they have not communicated very well up to know
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 17, 2012, 10:21:05 PM
Ballyholland 0.9 Downpatrick 2.12
Saval 1.13 Castlewellan 0.10
Longstone 3.8 Clonduff 2.12
Kilcoo 1.10 Bryansford 2.10
Burren 1.12 Mayobridge 0.9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 17, 2012, 11:07:44 PM
Glasdrumman 3-8 V 0-10 Drumgath

St John Bosco 2-10 V 2-8 St John's

St Colman's Drumaness 0-10 V 1-12 Glenn

Darragh Cross 0-15 V 1-9 Saul
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Post by: When We Win on August 17, 2012, 11:15:30 PM
Although not a fully fledged Darragh Cross supporter but they are my nearest team who i watch the most, i feel for the ref for tonights game, which Darragh won against Saul. Dont know his name but i am sure that based on they way he took charge of tonights game i think he may have lost a big bet or house with the result. poor, bias and completely clueless. Its a pity clubs do not put ref's forward who would like to do the job rather than those who want their £30 quid and want to get home. He actually said something to a Darragh player as he was taking a free. I think he was trying to put him off!! Why are there not assessors at all games.

With regard to IFC meaning nothing, tell that to the 9 clubs in it, and the ones in 31 other counties in ireland all looking towards a potential day out next feb. 

Golden years, i bet you will be praying for the winners of this years IF championship in the draw next year just to have a bit of success.
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Post by: goldenyears on August 18, 2012, 02:38:15 PM
It's champions league group style next year ! You 're well up to date with things I am glad to see!
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Post by: goldenyears on August 18, 2012, 02:39:53 PM
White goodman that got a few of them annoyed lol wise up lads, only a bit of banter!  ;)
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Post by: alba2 on August 18, 2012, 04:53:11 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 17, 2012, 10:21:05 PM
Ballyholland 0.9 Downpatrick 2.12
Saval 1.13 Castlewellan 0.10
Longstone 3.8 Clonduff 2.12
Kilcoo 1.10 Bryansford 2.10
Burren 1.12 Mayobridge 0.9

Based on recent form - there are a couple of shocks in here.  Any reports on the games.  Was at the Ford v Kilcoo game and it was poor enough quality at times.  Bryansford were very good in possession and took some very good scores.  When they get their Stateside lads back in the fold they will surely give the championship a rattle...
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Post by: dundrumite on August 18, 2012, 07:32:15 PM
Quote from: When We Win on August 17, 2012, 11:15:30 PM
Although not a fully fledged Darragh Cross supporter but they are my nearest team who i watch the most, i feel for the ref for tonights game, which Darragh won against Saul. Dont know his name but i am sure that based on they way he took charge of tonights game i think he may have lost a big bet or house with the result. poor, bias and completely clueless. Its a pity clubs do not put ref's forward who would like to do the job rather than those who want their £30 quid and want to get home. He actually said something to a Darragh player as he was taking a free. I think he was trying to put him off!! Why are there not assessors at all games.

With regard to IFC meaning nothing, tell that to the 9 clubs in it, and the ones in 31 other counties in ireland all looking towards a potential day out next feb. 

Golden years, i bet you will be praying for the winners of this years IF championship in the draw next year just to have a bit of success.

Why clubs put refs forward? Not the way it works big fella, we are at the mercy of those who can basically be convinced to do it. Lets face it when they are being scrutinised for each individual display on a public forum by nameless individuals it makes the job of recruiting all the harder. You do the maths
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 18, 2012, 08:24:46 PM
Quote from: alba2 on August 18, 2012, 04:53:11 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 17, 2012, 10:21:05 PM
Ballyholland 0.9 Downpatrick 2.12
Saval 1.13 Castlewellan 0.10
Longstone 3.8 Clonduff 2.12
Kilcoo 1.10 Bryansford 2.10
Burren 1.12 Mayobridge 0.9

Based on recent form - there are a couple of shocks in here.  Any reports on the games.  Was at the Ford v Kilcoo game and it was poor enough quality at times.  Bryansford were very good in possession and took some very good scores.  When they get their Stateside lads back in the fold they will surely give the championship a rattle...

Harps were fcukin brutal in the 2nd half and RGU destroyed them...conditions were atrocious but that didnt beat us..it was the same for both teams. The hoops deserved the 2 points...we deserved fcuk all...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 19, 2012, 12:26:09 PM
Quote from: When We Win on August 17, 2012, 11:15:30 PM
Its a pity clubs do not put ref's forward who would like to do the job rather than those who want their £30 quid and want to get home.

Well... if people would quit yapping, complaining and slagging the referees I'm sure you'd get a better calibre of candidate putting their name forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on August 20, 2012, 11:53:41 AM
Any word of next round of Intermediate draw/dates etc?
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Post by: outinfront on August 20, 2012, 04:53:02 PM
I think there is one match being replayed this Friday and then the draw will be made.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on August 20, 2012, 10:28:46 PM
Monday results

Aughlisnafin 0-5 V 6-20 Bredagh

Darragh Cross 1-13 V 2-11 Tullylish

Carryduff 0-11 V 4-14 Liatroim

Ballyholland 1-9 V 1-14 Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: When We Win on August 20, 2012, 11:39:20 PM
to make up for lamenting the ref v saul, John Killen was a breath of fresh air, even though darragh cross lost. tullylish still in with a shout for the playoffs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 21, 2012, 12:05:31 AM
Are there play-offs in division three this season ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on August 21, 2012, 09:34:03 AM
There are play offs in the third division. Top team goes straight into the league final. Positions 2 & 3 play off to get into the final. I think that Tullylish are too far back to make third spot though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 21, 2012, 05:16:29 PM
Quote from: outinfront on August 20, 2012, 04:53:02 PM
I think there is one match being replayed this Friday and then the draw will be made.

yip, draw will be made after the Clan na Banna v Bosco game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on August 22, 2012, 10:40:04 AM
Why does the county board wait until after a replay to make the draw? Could they not have made the draw after the first round to include Bosco/B'Bridge?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on August 22, 2012, 06:10:59 PM
That would be very hard for our County board to work out. Remember last years shambles?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 23, 2012, 09:09:03 PM
Any word?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 23, 2012, 09:29:17 PM
Mayobridge 1.14 Ballyholland 0.10
Downpatrick 1.6 Burren 0.8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on August 23, 2012, 09:59:11 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 23, 2012, 09:29:17 PM
Mayobridge 1.14 Ballyholland 0.10
Downpatrick 1.6 Burren 0.8

What happened to the mighty Burren tonight?? Went to bridge game - dirty night for football.  Can they not start the games at 6.45 at this stage - the evenings are really closing in....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 23, 2012, 10:17:16 PM
Quote from: alba2 on August 23, 2012, 09:59:11 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 23, 2012, 09:29:17 PM
Mayobridge 1.14 Ballyholland 0.10
Downpatrick 1.6 Burren 0.8

What happened to the mighty Burren tonight?? Went to bridge game - dirty night for football.  Can they not start the games at 6.45 at this stage - the evenings are really closing in....

It was closer to a Burren second string that they had out tonight. No Gerard McCartan, Dan McCartan, Donal O'Hare, Eoin McCartan, Declan Rooney or Anton McArdle to name but a few.

For me, Peter Turley was the man of the match at midfield.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on August 23, 2012, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 23, 2012, 10:17:16 PM
Quote from: alba2 on August 23, 2012, 09:59:11 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 23, 2012, 09:29:17 PM
Mayobridge 1.14 Ballyholland 0.10
Downpatrick 1.6 Burren 0.8

What happened to the mighty Burren tonight?? Went to bridge game - dirty night for football.  Can they not start the games at 6.45 at this stage - the evenings are really closing in....

It was closer to a Burren second string that they had out tonight. No Gerard McCartan, Dan McCartan, Donal O'Hare, Eoin McCartan, Declan Rooney or Anton McArdle to name but a few.

For me, Peter Turley was the man of the match at midfield.

That makes a little more sense then about burren... Those guys would get in all club teams in division 1.....  Is Peter Turley worth a slot on the county team in youir opinion??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 23, 2012, 11:06:22 PM
Quote from: alba2 on August 23, 2012, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 23, 2012, 10:17:16 PM
Quote from: alba2 on August 23, 2012, 09:59:11 PM
Quote from: umpire on August 23, 2012, 09:29:17 PM
Mayobridge 1.14 Ballyholland 0.10
Downpatrick 1.6 Burren 0.8

What happened to the mighty Burren tonight?? Went to bridge game - dirty night for football.  Can they not start the games at 6.45 at this stage - the evenings are really closing in....

It was closer to a Burren second string that they had out tonight. No Gerard McCartan, Dan McCartan, Donal O'Hare, Eoin McCartan, Declan Rooney or Anton McArdle to name but a few.

For me, Peter Turley was the man of the match at midfield.

That makes a little more sense then about burren... Those guys would get in all club teams in division 1.....  Is Peter Turley worth a slot on the county team in youir opinion??

In terms of sheer physical strength and ball winning ability he would be up there with the best we have got. Maybe slight questions over his mobility but he far outshone Kevin McKernan who had a poor game tonight.
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Post by: Biggar on August 23, 2012, 11:36:55 PM
Just back from the downpatrick v burren game and in fact downpatrick won by two points on a scoreline of 1-07 to 8 points. Was very dissapointed with burren tonight who started ok but badly faded and when the going got tough they had nobody to step up for them and take leadership. Saying it was more like a burren second string I don't know about that I don't think Eamon Toner Kevin McKernan or Sean Murdock to name a few play for burren 2nds. From what I heard downpatrick were missing 5 players tonight themselves. Hungrier team won on the night and agreed Peter Turley was man of the match burren couldn't cope with his physical strength or couldn't find a way through downpatricks defence only scoring 2 points from play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 24, 2012, 12:12:30 AM
Quote from: umpire on August 23, 2012, 09:29:17 PM
Mayobridge 1.14 Ballyholland 0.10
Downpatrick 1.6 Burren 0.8

Scoreline mightnt reflect it but our lads put in a good shift aginst the bridge tonight. We struggled in the 1st half to put the ball over the bar and big Magee missed nothing at full forward. 2nd half we broke even with the bridge at midfield and picked off a few good scores. A scrappy goal for the blues won it for them and they were comfortable after that. Our lads are concentrating on Saval and this was good preparation...we should have a few more lads back from injury and USA by then.
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Post by: DownFanatic on August 24, 2012, 09:45:27 PM
IFC Quarter Final Draw
Drumgath v Annaclone
Bredagh v Bosco
Warrenpoint v Ballymartin
Darragh Cross v Tullylish

Bosco beat Banbridge by a point tonight in Mayobridge. Bosco looked to be the better team on the balance of it and won out on a 0-15 to 2-08 scoreline. Banbridge got two well taken goals in the 2nd half.
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Post by: Square Ball on August 24, 2012, 10:02:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 24, 2012, 09:45:27 PM
IFC Quarter Final Draw
Drumgath v Annaclone
Bredagh v Bosco
Warrenpoint v Ballymartin
Darragh Cross v Tullylish

Bosco beat Banbridge by a point tonight in Mayobridge. Bosco looked to be the better team on the balance of it and won out on a 0-15 to 2-08 scoreline. Banbridge got two well taken goals in the 2nd half.

agree, but Bosco nearly threw it away when a straight red was given, i diddnt see what for, but held on well for a deserved win.
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Post by: Don Johnson on August 25, 2012, 10:20:40 AM
What dates will these IFC games be played? Presumably 7/8/9 September?
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Post by: 5 Sams on August 25, 2012, 01:39:37 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on August 25, 2012, 10:20:40 AM
What dates will these IFC games be played? Presumably 7/8/9 September?
The venues and times for these and the last Round of the SFC Qualifiers are as follows.
       

Pairc Esler Friday September 7th

IFC Q-Final   Drumgath v Annaclone (7pm)

SFC Qualifier Rostrevor v  Clonduff  (8.30pm)


St Patricks Park Friday September 7th

IFC  Q-Final  Bredagh v Bosco  (7pm)

SFC Qualifier  Longstone v  An Riocht (8.30pm)

Kilcoo Saturday September 8th

SFC Qualifier  Downpatrick v Castlewellan  (4pm)


Downpatrick Sunday September 9th

IFC Q-Final   Darragh Cross v  Tulylish  (6.30pm)

Pairc Esler Monday September 10th

IFC Q-Final  Warrenpoint v  Ballymartin (7pm)


SFC Qualifier   Saval v Ballyholland (8.30pm)
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Post by: Dubh driocht on August 26, 2012, 07:06:45 PM
Fair play to Donegal who I hope go on to win the final. In the debate about our standing, is it right that we are the only team to have beaten the three teams left in the competition this year ? James will make his own mind up as to whether he wants to put in a huge shift for the fourth year but he has given us three great years and the decision should be his alone.
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Post by: lucan on August 26, 2012, 08:39:54 PM
DUBH DRIOCHT? YOU PAINT A LOVELY LITTLE PICTURE OF JAMES.in the last  year we have been thrashed by two of those teams you were refering to .i cant remember such humiliating scores for some time.
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Post by: Down Mad on August 27, 2012, 02:34:25 PM
Some very interesting match ups in the IFC quarter finals.

Pick of the bunch Drumgath v Annaclone. I still fancy Annaclone though for this tie and for the title. Perhaps even a run in the Ulster Club.

Well done to Bosco, beating the Bann. Sets up an interesting game with Bredagh. One of the unfancied will be in the semi-finals.

Warrenpoint should overcome Ballymartin.

Darragh Cross v Tullylish. A close call on this, could go either way. A 1 point victory for Tullylish in the League over Darragh Cross last week. Darragh Cross were beaten by Drumaness on Friday night. As we know league form means nothing in the championship. Too close to call!

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Post by: Mourne Rover on August 27, 2012, 10:33:22 PM
There was some confusion on this board over the need for play-offs in division three this season, but, according to the Glasdrumman notes on the Hogan Stand, they have already won the league and will be presented with their trophy after the game on Friday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on August 28, 2012, 11:15:28 AM
As usual all a bit confusing about how the leagues would be won this year. I was of the opinion that ther would be play off's as were many other people. However I have always believed that if you finish top of league you should be league winners. Fair play to Glassdrumman, worthy winners of the 3rd divison. Tom Potter has done a great job with those boys this year.
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Post by: Lecale2 on August 28, 2012, 01:22:00 PM
QuoteTom Potter has done a great job with those boys this year.

He has indeed.

Dereck Davis was a hard act to follow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 28, 2012, 11:36:06 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 27, 2012, 10:33:22 PM
There was some confusion on this board over the need for play-offs in division three this season, but, according to the Glasdrumman notes on the Hogan Stand, they have already won the league and will be presented with their trophy after the game on Friday night.

Aye, and they will be presented with the silverware this Friday evening after their game with Darragh.  I be there for that one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: In the Onion Bag on August 28, 2012, 11:39:25 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 28, 2012, 01:22:00 PM
QuoteTom Potter has done a great job with those boys this year.

He has indeed.

Dereck Davis was a hard act to follow.

Derek deserves gr8 credit.  He hasmaintained close links with Glasdrumman since the Bainistoir exploits 4 years ago.  Two weeks ago he was at the clincher game v's Drumgath.  No mejya ego driving that man.
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Post by: umpire on August 31, 2012, 09:22:18 PM
Div 1
Clonduff 3.18 Ballyholland 0.6 (Thurs)
Bryansford 0.17 Downpatrick 0.09 Down website had it down for Downpatrick win but now changed.
Saval 1.6 Mayobridge 0.9
Kilcoo  Castlewellan
Burren 2.14 Longstone 1.9

Div 2
Loughinisland 2.15 Annaclone 0.4
Clann na Banna 1.7 Warrrenpoint 2.15
Kilclief 2.7 Liatriom 4.14
Carryduff 0.2  Rostrevor 2.18
An Riocht Shamrocks
Div 3
Ardglass 0.8 Glenn 6.9
Drumaness 1.11 Ballymartin 0.8
St John 5.10 Tullylish 2.14
Bosco 0.12 Atticall 0.8
Saul 2.9 Drumgath 1.7

Div 4
Teconnaght 1.7 St Michaels 1.12
Bredagh 2.12 Mitchels 0.6
Ballykinlar 0.5 Dundrum 3.22
Bright 1.14 Dromara 4.12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 31, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
Dundrum clinched their first ever Division 4 title tonight with a win over parish neighbours Ballykinlar.
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Post by: umpire on August 31, 2012, 09:33:55 PM
Rostrevor need only to win one of their 2 remaining games to win Div 2 title
They are away to Annaclone on Sat 15th  and home to Shamrocks, Date TBC
Even if Liatriom win their last 2 games and Rostrevor happen to lose one of their game, then Rostrevor would win on head to head battle.
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 31, 2012, 09:48:08 PM
Kilcoo 2-11 Castlewellan 1-11
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Post by: umpire on August 31, 2012, 10:09:12 PM
An Riocth 2.14 Shamrocks 1.9

Earlier Down website had Bryansford 0.9 Downpatrick 0.17  but the ford won by 17 to 9!!
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Post by: andunabu on August 31, 2012, 10:21:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 31, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
Dundrum clinched their first ever Division 4 title tonight with a win over parish neighbours Ballykinlar.
Well done lads!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 31, 2012, 10:52:06 PM
Bredagh are also promoted after beating Mitchels and will join Dundrum in D2 next season.
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Post by: Minus15 on September 01, 2012, 10:50:21 AM
I wouldn't read too much into that Upthem. To get promotion to Div 1 this year meant you had to finish Top 6 and avoid bottom 4. If there was no league restructuring you would expect that any promoted team's aims would be to stay up and stay out of the relegation playoffs. Under the old system that would have required a Top 7 finish. Why not make the push to go a place higher?

Alright, maybe over the course of the season that just didn't work out for the club but all sorts of factors can contribute to that. Carryduff had every right to believe in themselves coming off the high of promotion last year added to the fact that some current Div 2 sides are on the slide.

To be fair, I think you could look at plenty of clubs and compare their pre season targets to their postion now and come to the conclusion that they were unrealistic. However, clubs are ambitious, players want to be competitive and most clubs are striving to improve and become successful. Every club has to set targets for themselves and no club sets themselves targets that they don't feel are achievable if things click in to place the way they plan them to.
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Post by: dundroma on September 01, 2012, 12:40:31 PM
Dundrum
Division 4 Champions 2012 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on September 01, 2012, 12:58:01 PM
Quote from: dundroma on September 01, 2012, 12:40:31 PM
Dundrum
Division 4 Champions 2012 ;D ;D

and unbeaten so far  ;)

Well done Dundrum!
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Post by: Square Ball on September 01, 2012, 03:34:04 PM
Quote from: dundroma on September 01, 2012, 12:40:31 PM
Dundrum
Division 4 Champions 2012 ;D ;D

indeed well done to Dundrum, so both teams up as i thought at the start of the season.

so next up for us is a very difficult game v Bosco, they must be the hot favourites for it given they play at the higher level game after game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 01, 2012, 05:25:46 PM
Quote from: outinfront on September 01, 2012, 12:58:01 PM
Quote from: dundroma on September 01, 2012, 12:40:31 PM
Dundrum
Division 4 Champions 2012 ;D ;D

and unbeaten so far  ;)

Well done Dundrum!

SO FAR is right :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 02, 2012, 02:20:44 PM
Wee James giving nothing away on the radio this morning when Paul Collins asked him if he was staying on!! Said he had to discuss the matter with a few people. Collins says...so you have to ask the wife! :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on September 02, 2012, 02:38:37 PM
his wife does not come into the equasion.its all about wheather the county board can foolishly come up with moe money that they dont have.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on September 02, 2012, 05:37:58 PM
If James had decided to go, he would have said so by now. Unless something goes wrong in the discussions over his coaching set-up, all the indications are that he is staying put.

In fairness, he deserves another year on the strength of our overall progress during his tern of office. The problem will be lifting a squad which effectively collapsed in our quarter final at Croke Park.

At the risk of clutching at straws, the two teams which beat us in the championship are now in the AI final. However, they were both miles ahead of us this summer, and convincing our players that they are capable of bridging the gap will be extremely difficult.

We at least know that we are incapable of competing at the highest level if we stick to man to man marking, so coming up with a viable defensive strategy is the priority.


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Post by: Lecale2 on September 02, 2012, 07:00:49 PM
JHC Final

Bredagh 2-14 1-15 Clonduff.

Very tight game. Clonduff frough back from 6 down to get level with 2 minutes left against 14 men. Bredagh scored a goal with a minute left to win it.
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Post by: johnneycool on September 03, 2012, 08:50:45 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 02, 2012, 07:00:49 PM
JHC Final

Bredagh 2-14 1-15 Clonduff.

Very tight game. Clonduff frough back from 6 down to get level with 2 minutes left against 14 men. Bredagh scored a goal with a minute left to win it.

Thought you'd have won by more and with a bit to spare in all honesty Lecale, playing well within yourselves??


Was at the intermediate and senior camogie finals yesterday, two very close and entertaining games with Ballygalget just about shading out a young looking Bredagh team by two points and the Crans getting a lucky goal to knock the fight out of Liatroim who had their chances to win it up until that point.
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Post by: Lecale2 on September 03, 2012, 04:57:16 PM
We've half the team out with injuries or suspended at the minute and we were glad to get away with a win.
Clonduff were well up for it and fought for every ball. John Murphy is lethal from frees. Scored 12 and didn't miss any.
We go on to play the Fermanagh champions on 30th.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 04, 2012, 11:02:39 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 02, 2012, 05:37:58 PM
If James had decided to go, he would have said so by now. Unless something goes wrong in the discussions over his coaching set-up, all the indications are that he is staying put.

In fairness, he deserves another year on the strength of our overall progress during his tern of office. The problem will be lifting a squad which effectively collapsed in our quarter final at Croke Park.

At the risk of clutching at straws, the two teams which beat us in the championship are now in the AI final. However, they were both miles ahead of us this summer, and convincing our players that they are capable of bridging the gap will be extremely difficult.

We at least know that we are incapable of competing at the highest level if we stick to man to man marking, so coming up with a viable defensive strategy is the priority.

MR. its not like you to clutch at straws; if you have abandonded your usual balanced view I'd be worried.
I am also worried that you dismiss our ability to man mark. It's O'Rourke's so-called zonal strategy that has turned our defence into a leaking collander. He must go as must marathon-man Jerome; freshen up James' backroom and let's give it another go y playing to our strengths instead of pushing square pegs into round holes.
We are away better off than 3 years ago and away worse off than 2010 - the truth is somewhere in between.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on September 05, 2012, 09:28:25 AM
Any predictions for this weekends Championship?
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Post by: Mourne Rover on September 05, 2012, 12:00:56 PM
Leo may not have to worry about Aidan O'Rourke much longer, as, according to yesterday's Irish Independent, he is the hot favourite to take over in Monaghan. Whoever replaces him will have to come up with a defensive strategy which the players understand and are capable of implementing, something which simply did not happen against Mayo. Our general lack of quality at the back sadly means that, regardless of who is in charge, we are unlikely to compete at the highest level until some new faces emerge. We at least have a division one campaign to look forward to, but we have to be realistic about our prospects. If we can develop the likes of O'Hagan, McParland and Quinn - assuming he returns from the US - in 2013, we will at least have something to build on.
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Post by: outinfront on September 05, 2012, 12:02:13 PM
Quote from: Down Mad on September 05, 2012, 09:28:25 AM
Any predictions for this weekends Championship?

loads here:

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=21734.135 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=21734.135)

some interesting games!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 05, 2012, 01:46:17 PM
If it is the case that O Rourke is on his way to Monaghan James if he stays will have to take on his 3rd backroom team during his time. This is hardly a settled enviroment to bring out the best in players .I think O Rourke brought nothing to the set up and it didnt do his reputation any good .This would also make me wonder about james staying on
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Post by: supersub on September 05, 2012, 08:33:02 PM
Good authority O'Rourke is away on indeed. Hopefully James stays put!
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Post by: NedFlanders on September 06, 2012, 12:08:49 PM
Well folks, any idea how much it'll be into Newcastle tomorrow night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 06, 2012, 02:11:12 PM
With the Leagues near finished the following looks to be the lineup for the ACFL for 2013:

Division 1

Burren
Mayobridge
Kilcoo
Clonduff
Longstone
Bryansford
Castlewellan
Saval
Downpatrick
Ballyholland
Rostrevor
Liatroim
Annaclone
Warrenpoint
An Riocht
Loughinisland

Division 2

Carryduff
Shamrocks
Clann na Banna
Kilclief
Glasdrumman
Saul
Drumgath
Bosco
Tullylish
Ballymartin
Glenn
Darragh Cross
Atticall
St Johns/Ardglass
Dundrum
Bredagh

Division 3

St Johns/Ardglass
Drumaness
Mitchels
Teconnaught
Dromara
Bright
St Michaels
Aghaderg
Aughlisnafin
St Pauls
Ballykinlar
Killyleagh (Possibly)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA_Talk on September 06, 2012, 04:41:13 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 06, 2012, 02:11:12 PM
With the Leagues near finished the following looks to be the lineup for the ACFL for 2013:

Division 1

Burren
Mayobridge
Kilcoo
Clonduff
Longstone
Bryansford
Castlewellan
Saval
Downpatrick
Ballyholland
Rostrevor
Liatroim
Annaclone
Warrenpoint
An Riocht
Loughinisland

Division 2

Carryduff
Shamrocks
Clann na Banna
Kilclief
Glasdrumman
Saul
Drumgath
Bosco
Tullylish
Ballymartin
Glenn
Darragh Cross
Atticall
St Johns/Ardglass
Dundrum
Bredagh

Division 3

St Johns/Ardglass
Drumaness
Mitchels
Teconnaught
Dromara
Bright
St Michaels
Aghaderg
Aughlisnafin
St Pauls
Ballykinlar
Killyleagh (Possibly)

Was commenting on that yesterday when I seen the league tables in the paper. The difference in standard from the top of each league to the bottom doesn't actually seem as bad as what was feared when the motion was passed, going by these standings. However, any team that gets promoted from 2 to 1 the following season should be in for a couple of deadly away fixtures, and home ones to tbh. The Championships will be really interesting though I feel as each team will be playing at the same standard throughout the season. Although division 3 will be pretty much the same as in previous yearas with only two to three teams contesting for promotion and the championship.
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Post by: whitegoodman on September 06, 2012, 07:47:07 PM
I dont know about the rest of the divisions but the gap between the top and bottom of Div 1 is massive in my opinion.

I fear like the championship this year, the league format next year will turn out to be a failure.

On the subject of James although I think he deserves another year given his record over the last 3 years, he would want to bring in an impressive backroom team or things could go very wrong.  James isnt a trainor and would need to find one of a high calibre ( not poucher )as well as someone as tactically astute as McIver.  It appears that James had a higher opinion of O'Rourke than most and he may have regretted getting rid of the other 2 boys.  He has some big decisions to make if he decides to stay on.
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Post by: Lecale2 on September 06, 2012, 08:43:46 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on September 06, 2012, 12:08:49 PM
Well folks, any idea how much it'll be into Newcastle tomorrow night?

£2 for the first match and a fiver for the second.
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 07, 2012, 09:39:04 AM
Well done to Dan Gordan and Conor Laverty on being selected on the Irish News ulster all star team last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 07, 2012, 10:41:35 PM
Tonight's Results

SFC Qualifiers
Rostrevor 3-13  Clonduff 2-14
Longstone 3-12  An Riocht 0-08

IFC Quarter Finals
Drumgath 1-09  Annaclone 2-05
Bosco 1-12  Bredagh 2-08

Rostrevor beating Clonduff is a mild surprise but the big shock of the night was Drumgath beating favourites Annaclone in the IFC. Don't think many would have seen that coming.
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 07, 2012, 10:57:54 PM
That was an absolute cracker in Newry. Rostrevor where fantastic with the fegans, magees, Mackin and particularly Sean parr outstanding. Arthur mcconnville was brilliant for the yellows in a game that was played at a fantastic pace with positive attacking free flowing football on view.
Drumgath thoroughly deserved their one point win in the opening game, packie Downey producing a man of the match display. Colm Maginn, Paul Hillen, jack lynch and Goodwin also had good games. Anderson and Gary McArdle battled hard for the clone who badly missed the injured Brendan mcardle.
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Post by: dundrumite on September 07, 2012, 11:03:59 PM
If there was a goal of the championship it had to be tonight in Newcastle. Ryan Kelly roasted three players before unleashing a rocket to the top corner. He was superb all night and on this display I would watch this space county wise. Game died a death after this goal and the gulf in leagues became evident.

Bredagh must be wondering how they went from a position leading at half time by 6 points to come out on the wrong side of the minimum,
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 07, 2012, 11:16:19 PM
Ryan Kelly is a class act and is deserving of a chance at county level. The same can be said of Sean Parr, Kevin Anderson, Packie Downey and Arthur mcconnville Who all gave outstanding displays for their respective clubs tonight in pairc esler.
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Post by: dundrumite on September 07, 2012, 11:45:25 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 07, 2012, 11:16:19 PM
Ryan Kelly is a class act and is deserving of a chance at county level. The same can be said of Sean Parr, Kevin Anderson, Packie Downey and Arthur mcconnville Who all gave outstanding displays for their respective clubs tonight in pairc esler.

Always rated him very highly anytime I seen him play a number of years ago. Has he being playing club football for the last few years as never really heard of him?
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Post by: Mourne Rover on September 08, 2012, 12:00:14 AM
Ryan Kelly was indeed electric tonight. He was outstanding when winning an AI minor in 05, and was very unlucky to subsequently rupture a spleen - the same injury which almost ended Ambrose's career. He certainly deserves a run in the McKenna Cup, although it is amazing that we keep producing fast, light and talented forwards but cannot seem to find defenders with strength and height anywhere.

The Stone scored a goal in their first attack tonight, and got two more in the first two minutes of the second half to kill off the game at an early stage. An Riocht have been hammered by emigration, but the Stone  will still taking a bit of stopping in the next round.

In the first game, Bredagh got off to an even better start than the Stone, and led to 2-2 to no score after a couple of minutes. When Bredagh put over an early free after the break, they were still seven up. However, they managed to miss a penalty and concede a goal through three individual mistakes, and lost by a point.

Fair play to Bosco for keeping calm under pressure, and they have a midfielder and a full forward who will trouble most sides at this level, but an IFC semi would have been a massive prize for a young Bredagh side which is full of potential.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 08, 2012, 12:44:24 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 07, 2012, 11:45:25 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 07, 2012, 11:16:19 PM
Ryan Kelly is a class act and is deserving of a chance at county level. The same can be said of Sean Parr, Kevin Anderson, Packie Downey and Arthur mcconnville Who all gave outstanding displays for their respective clubs tonight in pairc esler.

Always rated him very highly anytime I seen him play a number of years ago. Has he being playing club football for the last few years as never really heard of him?

Shaun has been playing senior football every year since he was 17 so yes. Had an off season last year but partly down to being chopped and changed position a lot. He is a class act and has been his usual self this season!
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Post by: whitegoodman on September 08, 2012, 10:09:02 AM
Super sub what is Shaun's best position. Given our dearth of talent in the defence could he be an option at wing back.  He would certainly have the pace for it and think I remember him playing there before.  However would his soccer commitments harm his chances with the county?  Any other reds players worth a look.  Makin is a decent wee player but he is the same type as laverty, ohare and mccumiskey but isn't as good IMO.

Ryan kelly is def worth a look at, player of championship to date. Needs to strengthen up a bit to make it at very highest level but that could come.

Arthur mcconville will def become a serious option at full forward in the coming year, something I would not have thought a year back.

Is packie Downey worth another look at the county.  Undoubtably talented but there are question marks.  Would give the panel an extra dimension it currently doesn't have .

On last nights results, clonduff flatter to deceive yet again, well done Rostrevor, Annaclone must be sick and stone dark horses to make the final.  They won't be good enough defensively to win it but they could take a scalp or two
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Post by: supersub on September 08, 2012, 11:04:42 AM
IMO his best position for the club is at 6. So wing back would be a realistic option for the county. He played there two or three years ago in McKenna cup but to be honest he had just spent 2 seasons at 14 for the club and was never gonna be able to fit straight into whb On a county team without a prolonged period of games. Another thing is that he would go to start for the county, he wouldn't sit on the bench unused and miss rostrevor training/matches week in week out. Soccer is another kettle altogether, at the moment I can't see him giving up his position in the point team to be honest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 08, 2012, 11:30:29 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 07, 2012, 11:03:59 PM
If there was a goal of the championship it had to be tonight in Newcastle. Ryan Kelly roasted three players before unleashing a rocket to the top corner. He was superb all night and on this display I would watch this space county wise. Game died a death after this goal and the gulf in leagues beca :)me evident.

Bredagh must be wondering how they went from a position leading at half time by 6 points to come out on the wrong side of the minimum,

just couldnt close it out. our main aim was to get out of div4 and we done achieved  that. last night was an indication of what we will be facing every game.... cant wait
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 08, 2012, 06:57:58 PM
Down SFC Qualifier

Castlewellan 3-14  Downpatrick 1-08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on September 08, 2012, 08:27:13 PM
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looks like o rourke is going to the Farney
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Post by: fingerbob on September 08, 2012, 09:35:21 PM
Quote from: MK on September 08, 2012, 08:27:13 PM
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looks like o rourke is going to the Farney

yeah... Malachy O'Rourke..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on September 08, 2012, 09:55:55 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on September 08, 2012, 09:35:21 PM
Quote from: MK on September 08, 2012, 08:27:13 PM
http://www.rte.ie/aertel/images/203-01.gif

looks like o rourke is going to the Farney

yeah... Malachy O'Rourke..

good lad bob.....did you work that out  on your own...  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fingerbob on September 08, 2012, 11:21:18 PM
Quote from: MK on September 08, 2012, 09:55:55 PM
Quote from: fingerbob on September 08, 2012, 09:35:21 PM
Quote from: MK on September 08, 2012, 08:27:13 PM
http://www.rte.ie/aertel/images/203-01.gif

looks like o rourke is going to the Farney

yeah... Malachy O'Rourke..

good lad bob.....did you work that out  on your own...  :o

Maybe due to the fact that Aidan O'Rourke was tipped to be "hot favourite" a page back on this thread, I don't think a bit of clarification would have went a miss. In saying that and taking into account that a fermanagh man taking the monaghan job has little relevance to Down, I think you just got a bit mixed up yourself. Good lad.
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Post by: Square Ball on September 09, 2012, 02:43:09 PM
Aghaderg beat Mitchels by 2 in the JFC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 09, 2012, 03:23:20 PM
Drumaness, Aghaderg, Dundrum and Aughlisnafin all through to the JFC Semi Finals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 09, 2012, 09:47:46 PM
Any match report from tullylish v dara?
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Post by: DownFanatic on September 09, 2012, 11:12:02 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on September 09, 2012, 09:47:46 PM
Any match report from tullylish v dara?

0-11 to 0-07 to Tullylish.
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Post by: Lecale2 on September 09, 2012, 11:25:19 PM
Well done the Finn!!
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Post by: When We Win on September 09, 2012, 11:42:34 PM
Tullylish Darragh Cross match was dreadful. One team was bad, the other was shocking. Someone should have told both teams they were playing for a IFC semi final spot.
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Post by: Down Mad on September 10, 2012, 09:22:24 AM
I was at the Darragh Cross v Tullylish match and it wasn't a great game. Both teams were very tentative in the first half which meant the quality was very poor. It seemed Darragh Cross were always trying to slow the game down by continuous fouling in the first half especially, perhaps that was the fact that they were playing against a strong breeze and were trying to keep the score down. Which they did, there was only 1 point in it at half time.

Tullyish were undoubtedly the better in team in the second half. They started to run the ball a bit better, and eventually came out on top by four points.

On in all a poor game not helped by a poor referee. Tullylish will have to do better if they wish to progress any further.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 10, 2012, 09:44:02 AM
Down JFC Semi Final Draw

Aghaderg v Drumaness
Aughlisnafin v Dundrum

Ties to be played weekend of 28/29/30 September.
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Post by: thewobbler on September 10, 2012, 09:46:58 AM
Do Fin have any chance of winning the JFC?

It would be such a heartening story for young clubs/struggling clubs if they could pull it off.
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Post by: the derg on September 10, 2012, 09:58:45 AM
well done to the derg in the jfc semi final and as usual made it hard for themselves as they were 10 points up early on the second half good performances from niall farrell cathal mcgrath aaron mcevoy and eugene devlin hope they can keep this going ............... bit of momentum building again after the transfers.........come on the derg
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Post by: EDChief on September 10, 2012, 10:15:59 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 10, 2012, 09:46:58 AM
Do Fin have any chance of winning the JFC?

It would be such a heartening story for young clubs/struggling clubs if they could pull it off.

Cannot see it.
It will be a Dundrum vs Drumaness final.
That would be a good showpiece for a Junior final.

Any one shed any light what has happened at Mitchells?
They seemed to have completely imploded.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 10, 2012, 11:37:05 AM
While I would love the FInn to win the JFC its hard to see past  Dundrum or Drumaness as winners, would be a massive shock if both diddnt progress to the final. as for Mitchels, me thinks soccer played a big part in whats happened
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Post by: dundrumite on September 10, 2012, 03:46:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 10, 2012, 09:46:58 AM
Do Fin have any chance of winning the JFC?

It would be such a heartening story for young clubs/struggling clubs if they could pull it off.

We play them in the semi final and if they were playing any other team in the county I would be rooting for them. Hopefully we can get past them and get ourselves into a junior final, be great for the club especially after the doom and gloom of the previous season.
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Post by: DownFanatic on September 10, 2012, 04:04:05 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 10, 2012, 09:46:58 AM
Do Fin have any chance of winning the JFC?

It would be such a heartening story for young clubs/struggling clubs if they could pull it off.

While many would expect us and Drumaness to meet in the Final, it is not just as straighforward as that. Aghaderg are improving with every game and despite their indifferent League form they possess 5/6 players of excellent quality. They have been very tricky opposition for the stronger teams in Division 4 this season and Id say they will be very confident of toppling the competition favourites.

Ourselves and the Fin is a real local derby as only a mile or two separates the clubs geographically. They had their full team out against Killyleagh and this was the first time this season that they had their full panel available to them. They have a competent young manager in Emmett Devlin. With the derby element to this game, it should turn out to be an intense and close encounter. Both League games between the two sides were hard fought physical battles. The Fin will not fear us in the slightest and they will very much believe that they can beat us.
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Post by: whitegoodman on September 10, 2012, 10:05:10 PM
Senior championship getting worse, groundhog day in 3 wks time!!!!
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Post by: Purple Lady on September 10, 2012, 10:18:52 PM
Apparently Drumgath have drew Bosco in IC semi. That would leave the other semi between Tullylish and winner of tonights match. Can anyone comfirm??
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Post by: lucan on September 10, 2012, 10:25:01 PM
warrenpoint beat ballymartin and play tullylish in ifc .bosco play drumgath.
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Post by: Purple Lady on September 10, 2012, 10:27:48 PM
Quote from: lucan on September 10, 2012, 10:25:01 PM
warrenpoint beat ballymartin and play tullylish in ifc .bosco play drumgath.

Not doubting you for one minute but Down website has Ballymartin winning by a scoreline of 3-12 to 0-06.
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Post by: guevara on September 10, 2012, 10:28:32 PM
IFC Draw

Warrenpoint v Tullylish

Bosco v Drumgath

In the Senior

Burren v Logstone

Kilcoo v Castlewellan

Rostrevor v Bryansford

Mayobridge v Saval
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Post by: thewobbler on September 10, 2012, 10:31:36 PM
Kilcoo vs Town
Burren vs Stone
Mayobridge vs Saval
Bryansford vs the others

Don't think you'll get much of a price from the bookies for all four winners there.


Poor game in Newry tonight. Saval made the more chances and had more energy about them, but the sending off of Damian McCrink for two quick yellows with 15 to go was probably the deciding factor. Saval got in front and closers up shop.

It didn't feel like a Championship match though; not one player on the pitch lifted the game above above average.
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Post by: Purple Lady on September 10, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 10, 2012, 10:28:32 PM
IFC Draw

Warrenpoint v Tullylish

Bosco v Drumgath

In the Senior

Burren v Logstone

Kilcoo v Castlewellan

Rostrevor v Bryansford

Mayobridge v Saval

Not trying to start a conspiracy theory but what was the probability of that happening again. Especially after the last round of qualifiers threw up a considerable number of local derbies!!!!

Are these draws make infront of an independant adjudicator, bit like the lottery. I was just wondering.
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Post by: here comes 6 on September 10, 2012, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 10, 2012, 10:28:32 PM
IFC Draw

Warrenpoint v Tullylish

Bosco v Drumgath

In the Senior

Burren v Logstone

Kilcoo v Castlewellan

Rostrevor v Bryansford

Mayobridge v Saval

All six games look to have big Favorites.  Time to get to the bookies
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Post by: guevara on September 11, 2012, 11:20:55 AM
Both games were poor last night particularly the Senior game. Saval probably deserved their win although The Harps couldve made more of a game of it.
Basic errors, particularly kick passing were common throughout and neither team seemed capable of giving good quality ball into their danger men.
Ballyholland seem to have sacraficed the pace in their team a few years ago for "bulking up" and its appears to have made them a poorer team who looked very one paced and kept moving the ball across the field.

In the Intermediate game Warrenpoint coasted from the first minute although Ballymartin are a shadow of the team that won the competition a few seasons ago due to players heading abroad for work.
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Post by: marsbarkid on September 12, 2012, 12:31:50 AM
Any word of the dates + venues for the JFC semi finals yet?  I know it's supposed to be the wknd of 28th-30thSep. Maybe a double header on the Sunday in Newcastle like last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 12, 2012, 09:54:23 AM
Quote from: marsbarkid on September 12, 2012, 12:31:50 AM
Any word of the dates + venues for the JFC semi finals yet?  I know it's supposed to be the wknd of 28th-30thSep. Maybe a double header on the Sunday in Newcastle like last year?

They are either the Friday evening or Saturday afternoon. Not sure if its a stand alone fixture or double header
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 12, 2012, 01:27:01 PM
Quote from: marsbarkid on September 12, 2012, 12:31:50 AM
Any word of the dates + venues for the JFC semi finals yet?  I know it's supposed to be the wknd of 28th-30thSep. Maybe a double header on the Sunday in Newcastle like last year?

Both games confirmed for Saturday 29th. Times and venue TBC.
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Post by: Lecale Gael on September 12, 2012, 01:57:15 PM
Drumaness v Dundrum final in the JFC

Both clubs have strong panels and if Aghaderg or Aughislafin (sic) have any of their main players missing they will be up against it.

Good to see the underdogs thrive though
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Post by: wildrover on September 12, 2012, 04:01:02 PM
Minor Football Championship Semi Finals:

Burren v Castlewellan

Warrenpoint v Saval

To be played Fri 21st & Sat 22nd September
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 12, 2012, 11:45:12 PM
Quote from: Purple Lady on September 10, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 10, 2012, 10:28:32 PM
IFC Draw

Warrenpoint v Tullylish

Bosco v Drumgath

In the Senior

Burren v Logstone

Kilcoo v Castlewellan

Rostrevor v Bryansford

Mayobridge v Saval

Not trying to start a conspiracy theory but what was the probability of that happening again. Especially after the last round of qualifiers threw up a considerable number of local derbies!!!!

Are these draws make infront of an independant adjudicator, bit like the lottery. I was just wondering.

burren are neighbours with mayobridge and rostrevor
mayobridge are neighbours with saval and burren
kilcoo are neighbours with castlewellan and bryansford.

would you not agree the probability of the draw throwing up a couple of derbies would be quite high?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA_Talk on September 13, 2012, 11:54:57 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 12, 2012, 11:45:12 PM
Quote from: Purple Lady on September 10, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 10, 2012, 10:28:32 PM
IFC Draw

Warrenpoint v Tullylish

Bosco v Drumgath

In the Senior

Burren v Logstone

Kilcoo v Castlewellan

Rostrevor v Bryansford

Mayobridge v Saval

Not trying to start a conspiracy theory but what was the probability of that happening again. Especially after the last round of qualifiers threw up a considerable number of local derbies!!!!

Are these draws make infront of an independant adjudicator, bit like the lottery. I was just wondering.

burren are neighbours with mayobridge and rostrevor
mayobridge are neighbours with saval and burren
kilcoo are neighbours with castlewellan and bryansford.

would you not agree the probability of the draw throwing up a couple of derbies would be quite high?

Spot on Charlie. Everyone in south down is neighbors with each other practically. Especially where senior c'ship is concerned.
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Post by: whitegoodman on September 13, 2012, 01:11:37 PM
I take the point that there was always going to be a local derby or 2 but there should have been something in place that 2 teams couldnt meet each other 2 rounds in a row surely.  3 of the games are the same as the previous round!!
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Post by: johnneycool on September 13, 2012, 03:15:29 PM
Senior hurling semi-final this saturday;

Matt Fitzpatricks preview will be as follows:

Neighbours Ballygalget and Portaferry to meet in the semi-final in Ballycran. Its expected to be a tight game with Portaferry relying on Paul Branniff and (insert another intercounty hurler in here, probably Andy Savage) to get the better of Ballygalget backboned (one of his favourite words) by Gabriel Clarke, Graham Clarke, playing in his 20th year of club championship and Gareth 'Magic' Johnston (he's been in Australia all year, but that won't stop Matt mentioning him) as well as Martin 'dingy Coulter (retired years ago) providing the scores.

This will be accompanied by a picture five or six years old with the wrong names in the caption.

I suppose we get all that we deserve!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 13, 2012, 04:37:02 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 13, 2012, 03:15:29 PM
Senior hurling semi-final this saturday;

Matt Fitzpatricks preview will be as follows:

Neighbours Ballygalget and Portaferry to meet in the semi-final in Ballycran. Its expected to be a tight game with Portaferry relying on Paul Branniff and (insert another intercounty hurler in here, probably Andy Savage) to get the better of Ballygalget backboned (one of his favourite words) by Gabriel Clarke, Graham Clarke, playing in his 20th year of club championship and Gareth 'Magic' Johnston (he's been in Australia all year, but that won't stop Matt mentioning him) as well as Martin 'dingy Coulter (retired years ago) providing the scores.

This will be accompanied by a picture five or six years old with the wrong names in the caption.

I suppose we get all that we deserve!

Matt has been a fantastic servant to the media for a long time now but in the past few years his previews and reports have become littered with error.

The Down Recorder continue to publish his error strewn work and it does nothing for the promotion of our local games. I have also seen erroneous Down Championship reports from Matt in the Irish News on occasion.

The Mourne Observer are miles ahead in terms of reporting and previews and the Down Recorder really is doing itself a disservice by continuing to produce Matt's work. Only a month or so ago he had Jimmy Coulter leading the Mayobridge attack!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 13, 2012, 06:36:42 PM
I don't want to get started on Matts previews and reviews. Irritating.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 13, 2012, 06:55:43 PM
http://www.destinationnewry.com/news-list/headlines
If half an hour to kill good view
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Purple Lady on September 13, 2012, 07:13:09 PM
Quote from: GAA_Talk on September 13, 2012, 11:54:57 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 12, 2012, 11:45:12 PM
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IFC Draw

Warrenpoint v Tullylish

Bosco v Drumgath

In the Senior

Burren v Logstone

Kilcoo v Castlewellan

Rostrevor v Bryansford

Mayobridge v Saval

Not trying to start a conspiracy theory but what was the probability of that happening again. Especially after the last round of qualifiers threw up a considerable number of local derbies!!!!

Are these draws make infront of an independant adjudicator, bit like the lottery. I was just wondering.

burren are neighbours with mayobridge and rostrevor
mayobridge are neighbours with saval and burren
kilcoo are neighbours with castlewellan and bryansford.

would you not agree the probability of the draw throwing up a couple of derbies would be quite high?

Spot on Charlie. Everyone in south down is neighbors with each other practically. Especially where senior c'ship is concerned.

You guys are completely missing my point. I was referring to the derby games pulled out of the hat in the last round of qualifiers if you would actually pay attention to my post.

The games were in case you forgot were

An Riocht v Longstone
Clonduff v Rostrevor
Saval v Ballyholland
Castlewellan v Downpatrick

You cant deny its a bit of a coincidence!!!

And then you have three ties pulled out that were already drawn in a previous round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 13, 2012, 08:03:56 PM
And you know what, in other years you get quarter finals with no interesting match-ups.

Conspiracies for everything.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on September 14, 2012, 09:55:35 AM
The interview with destination Newry yesterday didn reveal anything really about whether James is staying on or not... Wonder did he interview Poacher for the job of trainer after the cameras stopped rolling.... Names being touted as selectors include: Gary Mason, Gregory Mc Cartan and Liam Hardy... If we just had an inkling as to whether he is staying or not it would help.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 15, 2012, 10:48:54 PM
Congatulation to Burren for winning Div 1 and the same for Rostrevor in Div 2
Maybe there still a playoff in Div one, not sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on September 16, 2012, 11:51:34 AM
Yes there is a playoff for the Div 1 league title with First place going into the final and second and third playoff to join them.
A possibility of Burren and Kilcoo to play each other in their last league fixture as Mayobridge can "still" catch Burren but there is a fair bit between them in terms of score Diff in favour of Burren. So Mayobridge would need a massive score in their final fixture and Burren would have to be defeated to be caught.

Just a final point, it has been the worst Division 1 league standard in memory for one reason or another. Teams going out just to fulfill a fixture. Poor stuff where patrons haven't got value for money IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 16, 2012, 12:44:58 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on September 16, 2012, 11:51:34 AM
Yes there is a playoff for the Div 1 league title with First place going into the final and second and third playoff to join them.
A possibility of Burren and Kilcoo to play each other in their last league fixture as Mayobridge can "still" catch Burren but there is a fair bit between them in terms of score Diff in favour of Burren. So Mayobridge would need a massive score in their final fixture and Burren would have to be defeated to be caught.

Just a final point, it has been the worst Division 1 league standard in memory for one reason or another. Teams going out just to fulfill a fixture. Poor stuff where patrons haven't got value for money IMO.

in that case, then Burren is in final due to head to head with Mayobridge, not score difference
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 16, 2012, 06:09:07 PM
The point beat burren in the prc final by three in hilltown today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 17, 2012, 09:37:10 PM
James has apparantly met with Martin McElkennon over the coaching job.  He has been around the block a bit but has been well liked by the players everywhere he has went.  Decent appointment imo.  Better than AOR anyway.  Eamon Burns also approached as selector and Jerome staying on.

Big year for James and co coming up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 19, 2012, 09:06:48 PM
Div one tonight
Mayobridge 1.18 Clonduff 1.6

Div two
Rostrevor 2.13 Shamrocks 0.11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on September 20, 2012, 01:28:13 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on September 17, 2012, 09:37:10 PM
James has apparantly met with Martin McElkennon over the coaching job.  He has been around the block a bit but has been well liked by the players everywhere he has went.  Decent appointment imo.  Better than AOR anyway.  Eamon Burns also approached as selector and Jerome staying on.

Big year for James and co coming up

How much will McElkernon cost?
And how much is it to get rid of Jerome?
I can only afford the latter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 20, 2012, 01:08:43 PM
Cant see him being any more than what O Rourke was.

I dont mind Jerome staying on and think he is a good football man but the running onto the field has to stop.  Whether he does it himself or is told to do it, it has to stop one way or another.  It got irratating towards the end of last year.  Just cant think for the life of me what 5 seconds of information is going to add to a players performance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on September 20, 2012, 08:51:13 PM
James should replace Jerome with Paddy Hardy, a Man who will engage his brain before his mouth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Real Gael on September 20, 2012, 11:32:40 PM
The names being thrown out this week for a role in the Down panel have been extremely interesting, Gregory Mc Cartan, no thank you we don't want a selector smoking on the sideline and then taking half the panel on the drink after the match, Paddy Hardy? How can you be taken seriously after that post, maybe if the Finn are looking a selector next year. Eamon Burns, another ornament from 91/94 who we dust down, polish it up and hope it looks well, got Darragh Cross relegated and has over seen possibly the worst season in Ballymartin in the last 15 years. Why do we also need to pay out peoples hard earned cash on another mercenary who has won nothing from Tyrone? So much for the so called Down way people. We really are either blind or stupid, the best candidate for a major role within our senior county team is currently in Burren, and its not Mc Cartan, please wake up everyone and lets give Frank Dawson the chance he deserves.

                                                    o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-The Real Real Gael takes no prisoners-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 21, 2012, 01:29:43 AM
Frank has unfinished business . We will knock cross of their perch. And you can fecking print that lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on September 21, 2012, 11:30:09 AM
Rumour has it today that Mc Elkennon has turned down the chance to be part of the Down set up... Selectors are being touted flat out but That leaves the door open for a trainer.  Interesting vacancy to fill.  Is there anybody out there!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 21, 2012, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: The Real Real Gael on September 20, 2012, 11:32:40 PM
The names being thrown out this week for a role in the Down panel have been extremely interesting, Gregory Mc Cartan, no thank you we don't want a selector smoking on the sideline and then taking half the panel on the drink after the match, Paddy Hardy? How can you be taken seriously after that post, maybe if the Finn are looking a selector next year. Eamon Burns, another ornament from 91/94 who we dust down, polish it up and hope it looks well, got Darragh Cross relegated and has over seen possibly the worst season in Ballymartin in the last 15 years. Why do we also need to pay out peoples hard earned cash on another mercenary who has won nothing from Tyrone? So much for the so called Down way people. We really are either blind or stupid, the best candidate for a major role within our senior county team is currently in Burren, and its not Mc Cartan, please wake up everyone and lets give Frank Dawson the chance he deserves.

                                                    o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-The Real Real Gael takes no prisoners-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-

Do you not find it ironic that you mention mercenary and Dawson in the same breath.

Are you aware he's from Antrim?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on September 21, 2012, 03:41:58 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 21, 2012, 01:29:43 AM
Frank has unfinished business . We will knock cross of their perch. And you can fecking print that lol

ya have to get outta down first
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 21, 2012, 07:09:43 PM
Quote from: alba2 on September 21, 2012, 11:30:09 AM
Rumour has it today that Mc Elkennon has turned down the chance to be part of the Down set up... Selectors are being touted flat out but That leaves the door open for a trainer.  Interesting vacancy to fill.  Is there anybody out there!!!!!
the men who left armagh last year could do a job and won't cost a penny          ps bridge fan. You worry about saval mate . You need a few more yanks to rescue          your season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 22, 2012, 01:43:41 PM
Bredagh play Liatroim today in the u16 hurling final. The first time there hasn't been an Ards team in the final. Bredagh beat Portaferry and Ballycran. Liatroim beat Shamrocks and Ballygalget.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 22, 2012, 05:03:31 PM
Cracking minor simi final played in Kilcoo today where Burren defeated Castlewellan by a point, a 50 meter free from Ryan Treanor(son of Shorty) 3 minutes into injury time the winning score.
Warrenpoint won the other simi with a two point victory over Saval to reach their 3rd minor final in 4 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on September 22, 2012, 08:09:22 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 21, 2012, 07:09:43 PM
Quote from: alba2 on September 21, 2012, 11:30:09 AM
Rumour has it today that Mc Elkennon has turned down the chance to be part of the Down set up... Selectors are being touted flat out but That leaves the door open for a trainer.  Interesting vacancy to fill.  Is there anybody out there!!!!!
the men who left armagh last year could do a job and won't cost a penny          ps bridge fan. You worry about saval mate . You need a few more yanks to rescue          your season
and use will need a few new transfers to knock cross off there perch  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Cloch Scoilte on September 22, 2012, 08:26:29 PM
U-16 A Hurling Championship Final

Liatroim 2-8 Bredagh 2-4

Liatroim's first U-16 A Championship title.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 23, 2012, 10:32:04 AM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on September 22, 2012, 08:26:29 PM
U-16 A Hurling Championship Final

Liatroim 2-8 Bredagh 2-4

Liatroim's first U-16 A Championship title.

And the first one to go outside the Ards for many years. Kilkeel won it in the mid 70s and I think Kilclief won it in the early 1990s.
Well done Liatroim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 24, 2012, 09:45:19 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on September 23, 2012, 10:32:04 AM
Quote from: An Cloch Scoilte on September 22, 2012, 08:26:29 PM
U-16 A Hurling Championship Final

Liatroim 2-8 Bredagh 2-4

Liatroim's first U-16 A Championship title.

And the first one to go outside the Ards for many years. Kilkeel won it in the mid 70s and I think Kilclief won it in the early 1990s.
Well done Liatroim.

Well done Liatroim, watched them in a league game over at our place, think our lads won that one, but from all accounts Liatroim were well deserving of their semi-final victory and beat a pretty good Bredagh team I'd seen in their semi-final demolition of Ballycran.

Carryduff U-14's were good victors in the U-14 final the same day, some very good young hurlers if they can keep them at it. Noticed one of their mentors wearing his old Ballygalget jersey on home soil, not sure if he was doing it to wind up Portaferry lads!


Portaferry won the minors later on that day, had a bit of a battle in the first half against Ballycran, but pulled away to win comfortably in the second, I think that result may be reversed next saturday in the seniors though!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 24, 2012, 01:27:49 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on September 22, 2012, 08:09:22 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 21, 2012, 07:09:43 PM
Quote from: alba2 on September 21, 2012, 11:30:09 AM
Rumour has it today that Mc Elkennon has turned down the chance to be part of the Down set up... Selectors are being touted flat out but That leaves the door open for a trainer.  Interesting vacancy to fill.  Is there anybody out there!!!!!
the men who left armagh last year could do a job and won't cost a penny          ps bridge fan. You worry about saval mate . You need a few more yanks to rescue          your season
and use will need a few new transfers to knock cross off there perch  ;D ;D
[/quot        lets face it yous are on a downward spiral
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 25, 2012, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 24, 2012, 01:27:49 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on September 22, 2012, 08:09:22 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 21, 2012, 07:09:43 PM
Quote from: alba2 on September 21, 2012, 11:30:09 AM
Rumour has it today that Mc Elkennon has turned down the chance to be part of the Down set up... Selectors are being touted flat out but That leaves the door open for a trainer.  Interesting vacancy to fill.  Is there anybody out there!!!!!
the men who left armagh last year could do a job and won't cost a penny          ps bridge fan. You worry about saval mate . You need a few more yanks to rescue          your season
and use will need a few new transfers to knock cross off there perch  ;D ;D
[/quot        lets face it yous are on a downward spiral

This post looks like some sort of computer code.
The banter has started anyway. Looking forward to this weekend, should be very interesting, you would think four teams in the senior championship could make a valid claim to go the whole way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on September 28, 2012, 08:31:17 PM
just about to sit down and watch the burren stone game, what a service destination newry is providing.. Fair play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 28, 2012, 09:19:37 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on September 28, 2012, 08:31:17 PM
just about to sit down and watch the burren stone game, what a service destination newry is providing.. Fair play

+1. Hearing great feedback from overseas about the service. Great work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 28, 2012, 09:36:29 PM
Down SFC Quarter Final
Mayobridge 0-17  Saval 1-11
Longstone 1-13  Burren 2-08

That Stone/Burren game was one of the most unbelievable games Ive seen in a long time in terms of excitement and incident. The Stone dominated the 2nd half after trailing 2-06 to 0-05 at halftime. Burren scored an own goal after Stevy Doran's penalty hit the post. Get on to Destination Newry to watch it. Great stuff!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 28, 2012, 09:58:08 PM
stone win by 2pts. burren 2-8 lonstone 1-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 28, 2012, 10:06:07 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 28, 2012, 09:58:08 PM
stone win by 2pts. burren 2-8 lonstone 1-13

Great result for the stone. The arrogant "aristocrats" over in Burren won't be happy tonight after getting beat by a "wee" club from the Mournes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 28, 2012, 10:06:50 PM
Any sign of Sunny Jim??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 28, 2012, 10:21:50 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 21, 2012, 01:29:43 AM
Frank has unfinished business . We will knock cross of their perch. And you can fecking print that lol


😳😳😳😳😳😳
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 28, 2012, 10:41:35 PM
The decisive goal for the Stone was astonishing, with the ball hitting the base of the post and rebounding to a Burren defender. He tried to hand pass it back to the keeper, who was not expecting it and the ball went straight into an empty net.

Ambrose, who had a stormer, then hit an unbelievable long range point from the right wing to put the Stone in front, and they got another point from a free before running the clock down with Mark Poland everywhere.

Donal O'Hare was sent off for Burren within ten minutes of coming on in the closing stages, and both Dan and Eoin McCartan were substituted, but the Stone fully deserved it in the end.

Destination Newry may not be the slickest operation in the broadcasting world but it is hugely entertaining and provides a brilliant service.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on September 28, 2012, 10:45:42 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 21, 2012, 01:29:43 AM
Frank has unfinished business . We will knock cross of their perch. And you can fecking print that lol

Just thought i should flag this up Downjim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on September 29, 2012, 12:55:01 AM
Well I'm back , for years I haven't seen a victory like this for us.
Traditional values versus money values over the top paid managers , mental gurus etc.. !
It was a game between a small rural club versus the club that began paying crazy money to managers in this county .
One club managed by a guy who represents all that is good about gaels and the other by a club with a history of Antrim men all paid very well , motivated by money with very close associations with soccer .One club representing all the values that  the GAA is about versus another that apparently  takes in Warrenpoint,Rostrevor ,Tullylish as part of its parish .
The modern club versus the club.The club that pays managers, mental gurus all on a gravy train versus the club perched in the mountains.
What a night !

                                  the gael takes no prisoners !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on September 29, 2012, 07:41:42 AM
Quote from: thegael on September 29, 2012, 12:55:01 AM
Well I'm back , for years I haven't seen a victory like this for us.
Traditional values versus money values over the top paid managers , mental gurus etc.. !
It was a game between a small rural club versus the club that began paying crazy money to managers in this county .
One club managed by a guy who represents all that is good about gaels and the other by a club with a history of Antrim men all paid very well , motivated by money with very close associations with soccer .One club representing all the values that  the GAA is about versus another that apparently  takes in Warrenpoint,Rostrevor ,Tullylish as part of its parish .
The modern club versus the club.The club that pays managers, mental gurus all on a gravy train versus the club perched in the mountains.
What a night !


                                  the gael takes no prisoners !!

Cant just click on the 'like' icon on this site but heres a major  LIKE to that comment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on September 29, 2012, 08:23:23 AM
Quote from: thegael on September 29, 2012, 12:55:01 AM
Well I'm back , for years I haven't seen a victory like this for us.
Traditional values versus money values over the top paid managers , mental gurus etc.. !
It was a game between a small rural club versus the club that began paying crazy money to managers in this county .
One club managed by a guy who represents all that is good about gaels and the other by a club with a history of Antrim men all paid very well , motivated by money with very close associations with soccer .One club representing all the values that  the GAA is about versus another that apparently  takes in Warrenpoint,Rostrevor ,Tullylish as part of its parish .
The modern club versus the club.The club that pays managers, mental gurus all on a gravy train versus the club perched in the mountains.
What a night !


Well The Gael, Firstly congratulations to the Stone for a deserved victory, 7 points down at half time no one could have seen it.
Ambrose and polly stood up and lead like real couunty players, with young Steven Doran and Michael Ireland following suit.

However with regard to your sensationalist comments on Burren paying managers and how Longstone seem to be squeaky clean in that regard, let me remind you  Frank Dawson had a well paid stint in your "wee rural club" followed by the well paid Jody Gormley and now you would have us all believe that Gregory is doing community service in the mournes.

Wise up, enjoy a well deserved win and remember you are now up on the pedestal, but before you get up there, take the championship with you, as last night proved you never know when you can come falling from the same pedestal you put yourself up on.



                                  the gael takes no prisoners !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on September 29, 2012, 09:19:03 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/19758921

Who on earth covers GAA at the BBC, ridiculous, good win for Burren  :-\

Mooney to start for Rostrevor, any truth?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 29, 2012, 10:21:24 AM
Do the stone not pay managers. Yes we were bad but less of the slagging about our club. In total shock here but hope the stone can win it. anyone but them arseholes over the road. They are hard to listen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on September 29, 2012, 10:30:52 AM
yous should off eat more pavlova at half time jim ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on September 29, 2012, 10:38:14 AM
Clownjim would ye ever take yourself away off somewhere. 'Less of the slagging of our club' you mention Kilcoo and the Bridge in almost every post. Kilcoo's wee hard men, bridge's old finished noisy neighbours etc. Your an absolute tit. Anyway..

What a fantastic match it was. Seriously one of the most entertaining matches of football i have seen in years. Maybe the best I've ever attended on the club scene. Ambrose's point was a beaut. Poly was organising the whole 'keep-ball' in injury time, i was getting a bit nervous for them, one misplaced hand pass there could have ended in disaster. The quality and intensity of the game was immense, ten times the value of the match that preceded it.

On the 'OG', should that have counted? Because its illegal for an attacking player hand-pass to the net, but ok for a defender to do it? Am I right in thinking a similar if not identical goal was scored a couple years ago in the championship? Heads wrecked here...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 29, 2012, 11:21:23 AM
Quote from: EagleLord on September 29, 2012, 10:38:14 AM
Clownjim would ye ever take yourself away off somewhere. 'Less of the slagging of our club' you mention Kilcoo and the Bridge in almost every post. Kilcoo's wee hard men, bridge's old finished noisy neighbours etc. Your an absolute tit. Anyway..

What a fantastic match it was. Seriously one of the most entertaining matches of football i have seen in years. Maybe the best I've ever attended on the club scene. Ambrose's point was a beaut. Poly was organising the whole 'keep-ball' in injury time, i was getting a bit nervous for them, one misplaced hand pass there could have ended in disaster. The quality and intensity of the game was immense, ten times the value of the match that preceded it.

On the 'OG', should that have counted? Because its illegal for an attacking player hand-pass to the net, but ok for a defender to do it? Am I right in thinking a similar if not identical goal was scored a couple years ago in the championship? Heads wrecked here...
According to the rule book the goal was legitimate.Official answer.. Rule 3.4 defending player plays the ball through his own scoring space in any manner shall count as a score.
Fantastic game last night, Burren looked very flat in the second half but credit must go to the stone who where outstanding. Michael Ireland has given Dan McCartan some roastings this past two years and it was no different last night. Class young player. Ambrose, Poland, smyth and Kelly also stood out in second half while cormac Poland defended brilliantly.
The first game was poor, saval never got going until last 15 when they played direct football. How on earth could pj Magee not see fit to start fergal mcconnville.
The bridge didn't set the world alight and where lucky Kearney didn't score a late goal which would of tied things up. They have become very defensive since the arrival of poucher, and its not a style of football that suits them. They are in the hat for the quarter finals though and with Magee in great scoring form they will fancy their chances now that burren are gone.
Role on tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on September 29, 2012, 11:47:07 AM
Ha Ha Clownjim are you still here lol was it that yous were thinking off cross or was it that yous arnt as good as what yous think you are i think the latter great result for the stone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: theticklemister on September 29, 2012, 11:51:12 AM
had me friend on the phone there raving about the Longstone match. Checked the score at ht and thought that was it; but looks like some second half. He said it was the best game he ever was at.

Destinationnewry will have the match back up on Tuesday; looking forward to seeing it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on September 29, 2012, 12:29:23 PM
Well Done to the Longstone Men last night. Although Burren have been deserving champions, by god they like to Rub it into the other clubs around the County about their success. So I'm happy that the Stone finally got their revenge and with Dawson at the helm.

At least one thing has come out of this defeat... Div 1 leaague finals should be finished up before Xmas day, unlike last years complete farse with the Bridge and Kilcoo having to wait on Burren for 6 and 7 weeks as they prepared to become the kingpins of Ulster.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 29, 2012, 03:44:38 PM
With the crap we have to put up with I have no doubt we will be back stronger. Everyone is against us and that includes ref s and the county board. The stone and bridge fans last night were a disgr
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 29, 2012, 06:54:57 PM
I don't think everyone is against Burren Downjim but most people outside of Burren will be delighted with the Stone win. I saw them destroy the Kingdom and Ryan Kelly got as good a goal as you will ever see . On the basis of that performance I told a Burren stalwart that the Stone were a serious outfit this year - he said they had missed their chance and he was pretty confident about a good run for Burren in Ulster ! While the gael may not be everyone's cup o tae, he does sum up what a lot of us feel , allbeit in a negative way. When you think that they are one third of one of the smallest parishes in Down it is a remarkable achievement so hats off to Gregory but I think Hugh Trainor deserves a lot of credit as he can read football like a book. The Stone seem to have avoided the mass emigration of a lot of other teams and these lads will help each other out in the tightest of corners. Kilcoo, subject to tonight's game, will be the most pleased but Frank O'Hare could be for the Mournes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 29, 2012, 07:45:58 PM
Down JFC Semi Finals
Aghaderg 2-09  Drumaness 0-11
Dundrum 4-09  Aughlisnafin 1-06
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 29, 2012, 08:32:57 PM
Despite the claims that he was still in Australia, the Down website's Twitter says that Caolan Mooney came on at half time for Rostrevor. They lost to Bryanford, 1-10 to 0-8, as expected, althought Castlewellan are six up on Kilcoo with half time approaching.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the derg on September 29, 2012, 08:45:02 PM
Delighted for Aghaderg to be back in the jfc final they really deserved to beat Drumaness and were never behind the whole match obviously Dundrum will be favourites but for a club that has been decimated by transfers in the recent past this has brought a real buzz into the parish today everyone played their part in a gutsy performance with the half back line and midfield outstanding well done lads and management
now lets win .....................
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on September 29, 2012, 09:33:26 PM
Kilcoo v ford
Bridge v stone

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: noway on September 29, 2012, 11:48:50 PM
folks this is my 1st message so go easy on me plz. at the drumaness v aghaderg i witness an assualted by a drumaness player on a referee from longstone . total disgrace . hope the county board throws the book at him .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on September 30, 2012, 09:14:43 AM
Quote from: noway on September 29, 2012, 11:48:50 PM
folks this is my 1st message so go easy on me plz. at the drumaness v aghaderg i witness an assualted by a drumaness player on a referee from longstone . total disgrace . hope the county board throws the book at him .

Who was the ref?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: noway on September 30, 2012, 10:06:08 AM
denis cotter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 30, 2012, 10:08:29 AM
That wasn't good for the heart last night In Newry. Castlewellan played great football in the first half where it took us a long time to settle, the sending off after 5 mins having a negative impact on our players. After the interval the real Kilcoo came out and stood up. They played some outstanding football and as Liam Hardy said afterwards Kilcoo lads have something inside that his own players haven't  got. That never say die attitude and commitment cannot be coached and as a Kilcoo man that was a very pleasing aspect.
Darragh ohanlon and Paul Devlin where our outstanding players, Laverty, the brannigans, Sean ohanlon and the Johnstons also played major roles in the second half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 30, 2012, 11:48:26 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 30, 2012, 10:08:29 AM
That wasn't good for the heart last night In Newry. Castlewellan played great football in the first half where it took us a long time to settle, the sending off after 5 mins having a negative impact on our players. After the interval the real Kilcoo came out and stood up. They played some outstanding football and as Liam Hardy said afterwards Kilcoo lads have something inside that his own players haven't  got. That never say die attitude and commitment cannot be coached and as a Kilcoo man that was a very pleasing aspect.
Darragh ohanlon and Paul Devlin where our outstanding players, Laverty, the brannigans, Sean ohanlon and the Johnstons also played major roles in the second half.

I cant fathom how Darragh Ohanlon lasted the game without getting a red card, he was involved in off the ball incidents throughout and was responsible for that melee in the second half, going down clutching his head when it was him that was the aggressor, the ref just seemed to be looking any chance to even it up, how he picked out one player to be sent off out of that melee when kilcoo mentors and all joining in. bit of a farce.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 30, 2012, 12:32:13 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 30, 2012, 11:48:26 AM
I cant fathom how Darragh Ohanlon lasted the game without getting a red card, he was involved in off the ball incidents throughout and was responsible for that melee in the second half, going down clutching his head when it was him that was the aggressor, the ref just seemed to be looking any chance to even it up, how he picked out one player to be sent off out of that melee when kilcoo mentors and all joining in. bit of a farce.

Now, now, behave.

The town right half forward tried three or four times to get a reaction. He'd wrapped Darrah up around the neck a couple of times prior to the 'big one' - the linesman just ignored it all (he ignored plenty more apart from that too).


The melee happened because Finty McGreevy flattened Paddy Murray with a shoulder to the chest as he was coming on to see if Darragh was all right. He should have definitely walked for that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 30, 2012, 12:37:55 PM
Darragh ohanlon never lifted a hand and was head butted, Flanagan rightly received his marching orders. The lad is a class young player and his attitude, application and commitment are second to none. The lad has never got a red card in his life and has never been known as a dirty player. How Barry travers stayed on the field after kicking Lavo on the head is beyond me.
I thought con Reynolds refereed the game well but the less said about that p***k rice on the line the better. It's all about him even when not refereeing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 30, 2012, 12:43:43 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 30, 2012, 12:37:55 PM
I thought con Reynolds refereed the game well

Ah, I thought he was a bit quick to whistle rather than let things run for a second or 2 and see if play can continue without disadvantage.


But, I suppose it was a good entertaining game so I can't complain too much.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on September 30, 2012, 01:44:37 PM
What is with all this Burren hate ? Id be very surprised if DJ is from burren.

Well done to the stone btw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 30, 2012, 01:47:36 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 29, 2012, 06:54:57 PM
I don't think everyone is against Burren Downjim

Nah.... feck them!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on September 30, 2012, 03:19:32 PM
MDG, I think you have blinkers on. I am not saying any more on this forum but Darragh is no angel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sean og on September 30, 2012, 08:16:08 PM
Why not take in neutral refs for the championship ie Antrim/ Armagh and vice-versa
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on September 30, 2012, 08:33:14 PM
Quote from: sean og on September 30, 2012, 08:16:08 PM
Why not take in neutral refs for the championship ie Antrim/ Armagh and vice-versa

because that would mean other counties having to take our referees for their championships!!!!
I think not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 30, 2012, 09:24:05 PM
All games at Pairc Esler
Friday 05th Oct
IFC   7.00   Drumgath v St John Bosco
SFC   8.30   Bryansford v Kilcoo
Sunday 07th Oct
IFC   5.00 Tullylish v Warrenpoint
SFC    6.30   Longstone v Mayobridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 30, 2012, 09:29:32 PM
Quote from: sean og on September 30, 2012, 08:16:08 PM
Why not take in neutral refs for the championship ie Antrim/ Armagh and vice-versa

Why not try to understand that in order to attract better people to take on this thankless task, you don't stick up two fingers.

Refs want to be recognised as the best, just as players to. Refereeing the SFC is that recognition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Real Gael on September 30, 2012, 09:30:46 PM
So the quarter finals are over, Mayobridge stumbled over the line, Longstone caused the shock of the year, Bryansford won with more than a bit to spare and Kilcoo kicked, head butted and dragged their way to a win against Castlewellan. With the untimely exit of the champions we are no closer to knowing who will win the championship, all four teams will really fancy it. Unfortunately the main talking point over the weekend is not the football but the disgusting scenes witnessed by women and children in the stands by the so called leaders along the line. First up we have the man people on here were talking about as a possible Down selector Gregory Mc Cartan, this man should not be allowed near a club side again never mind a county side. Kicking flags, smoking along the line in a stadium which bans smoking, throwing water bottles, running onto the pitch to try and intimidate the referee (which he obviously did) and trying to slap the flag out of an officials hand. Last year Frank Dawson won like a champion, with respect and dignity, this year he lost like a champion. Then we have the club who think they can do what they like on and off the field, Kilcoo, the small fat man with the kilcoo tracksuit was responsible for most of the unsavory incidents on the field and as for the nutter with the bib on what would a sensible man like Jim have him around the place for. The semi finals should be interesting.                                   


                                                     o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-The Real Real Gael takes no prisoners-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 30, 2012, 09:41:20 PM
Quote from: The Real Real Gael on September 30, 2012, 09:30:46 PM
So the quarter finals are over, Mayobridge stumbled over the line, Longstone caused the shock of the year, Bryansford won with more than a bit to spare and Kilcoo kicked, head butted and dragged their way to a win against Castlewellan. With the untimely exit of the champions we are no closer to knowing who will win the championship, all four teams will really fancy it. Unfortunately the main talking point over the weekend is not the football but the disgusting scenes witnessed by women and children in the stands by the so called leaders along the line. First up we have the man people on here were talking about as a possible Down selector Gregory Mc Cartan, this man should not be allowed near a club side again never mind a county side. Kicking flags, smoking along the line in a stadium which bans smoking, throwing water bottles, running onto the pitch to try and intimidate the referee (which he obviously did) and trying to slap the flag out of an officials hand. Last year Frank Dawson won like a champion, with respect and dignity, this year he lost like a champion. Then we have the club who think they can do what they like on and off the field, Kilcoo, the small fat man with the kilcoo tracksuit was responsible for most of the unsavory incidents on the field and as for the nutter with the bib on what would a sensible man like Jim have him around the place for. The semi finals should be interesting.                                   


                                                     o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-The Real Real Gael takes no prisoners-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-

Good man RRG. We get the point and it was good crack while it lasted but it's not funny anymore. Give it a rest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EDChief on October 01, 2012, 12:19:10 PM
Quote from: the derg on September 29, 2012, 08:45:02 PM
Delighted for Aghaderg to be back in the jfc final they really deserved to beat Drumaness and were never behind the whole match obviously Dundrum will be favourites but for a club that has been decimated by transfers in the recent past this has brought a real buzz into the parish today everyone played their part in a gutsy performance with the half back line and midfield outstanding well done lads and management
now lets win .....................

A great achievement for Aghaderg considering the number of high profile players you have "lost" over the past couple of years. 
What has turned things around?  Who is the manager?


Quote from: DownFanatic on September 29, 2012, 07:45:58 PM
Down JFC Semi Finals
Aghaderg 2-09  Drumaness 0-11
Dundrum 4-09  Aughlisnafin 1-06

Did i here that McComiskey picked up a fairly heavy knock in the semi final and would be a doubt for the final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on October 01, 2012, 05:27:00 PM
The dust has settled and Burren are gone out of the championship .Last year they were very lucky against 'stone and the year before lucky v 'ford.They got 2 lucky Frank O'Hare Cups !
As a club they probably don't adhere to the parish rule , that is another issue.
The 'stone faced them down on Friday night and they crumbled.From before the game the body language of the Burren contingent said to me they had been pysched out of it .What happened afterwards in the second half confirmed this.
They need to re-evaluate where they are at as a club.The financial climate has changed considerably and they probably can't afford to be paying for all the extras , mental gurus and noteable others.
Interestingly prematch they seemed all to have the wrong body language and frame of mind for some reason.
It is time to look at their own coaches from within now and move back to traditional values.I know of the push last year for an insider and I think now is the time for the club boss to let this happen.


                                                  the gael takes no prisoners !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 01, 2012, 06:56:32 PM
The gael you have not a clue what your talking about. We should have finished the stone off in th e first half and I really don't believe they are as good as the county is sgesting . We have the strongest coaching set up in down and the jealously should stop
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 01, 2012, 08:24:03 PM
Christ there is some shite talked on here whether it is downjim, the Gael, the real Gael or the real real Gael.

Getting harder by the day to have any meaningful discussion on here.

Time for break from it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 01, 2012, 09:34:41 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 01, 2012, 08:24:03 PM
Christ there is some shite talked on here whether it is downjim, the Gael, the real Gael or the real real Gael.

Getting harder by the day to have any meaningful discussion on here.

Time for break from it.

There should be an IQ test to pass before posting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 01, 2012, 10:20:45 PM
It's getting reticules.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 01, 2012, 11:04:23 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 01, 2012, 08:24:03 PM
Christ there is some shite talked on here whether it is downjim, the Gael, the real Gael or the real real Gael.

What about "The continuity Gael"?

Or "The low fat Gael"?

Or "I can't believe its not the Gael".

A few potential usernames if anyone is after multi-logins!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on October 02, 2012, 11:18:50 AM
I see the Match for Michaela was launched in Casement Park yesterday. What a great event this promises to be. I hope they get a great turnout on the night. I will certainly be there. Fair play to Micky Harte and John McAreavey, they truly are an inspiration.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the derg on October 02, 2012, 03:07:18 PM
The Aghaderg management team consists of Noel Sexton (not the Mayobridge one ) and Aidan Hegarty the team has had a fresh batch of capable minors, seasoned campagners who are injury free and a few transfers (legal by the way) who have strengthened the team........ obviously there is the feel good factor after a run of wins and the team are looking forward to the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on October 02, 2012, 03:21:29 PM
In case my posts were missed due to wannabees-

Well I'm back , for years I haven't seen a victory like this for us.
Traditional values versus money values over the top paid managers , mental gurus etc.. !
It was a game between a small rural club versus the club that began paying crazy money to managers in this county .
One club managed by a guy who represents all that is good about gaels and the other by a club with a history of Antrim men all paid very well , motivated by money with very close associations with soccer .One club representing all the values that  the GAA is about versus another that apparently  takes in Warrenpoint,Rostrevor ,Tullylish as part of its parish .
The modern club versus the club.The club that pays managers, mental gurus all on a gravy train versus the club perched in the mountains.
What a night !

                                  the gael takes no prisoners !!



The dust has settled and Burren are gone out of the championship .Last year they were very lucky against 'stone and the year before lucky v 'ford.They got 2 lucky Frank O'Hare Cups !
As a club they probably don't adhere to the parish rule , that is another issue.
The 'stone faced them down on Friday night and they crumbled.From before the game the body language of the Burren contingent said to me they had been pysched out of it .What happened afterwards in the second half confirmed this.
They need to re-evaluate where they are at as a club.The financial climate has changed considerably and they probably can't afford to be paying for all the extras , mental gurus and noteable others.
Interestingly prematch they seemed all to have the wrong body language and frame of mind for some reason.
It is time to look at their own coaches from within now and move back to traditional values.I know of the push last year for an insider and I think now is the time for the club boss to let this happen.


                                                  the gael takes no prisoners !!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 03, 2012, 05:48:34 PM
Whats your point gael . Are you a stone man ?? Typical mouth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 04, 2012, 01:13:38 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 03, 2012, 05:48:34 PM
Whats your point gael . Are you a stone man ?? Typical mouth

I actually enjoyed that post and I dont know if he is a Stone man or not - but beneath the blether there is a wee bit of home truths...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 04, 2012, 12:06:58 PM
Quote from: the derg on October 02, 2012, 03:07:18 PM
The Aghaderg management team consists of Noel Sexton (not the Mayobridge one ) and Aidan Hegarty the team has had a fresh batch of capable minors, seasoned campagners who are injury free and a few transfers (legal by the way) who have strengthened the team........ obviously there is the feel good factor after a run of wins and the team are looking forward to the final.

Hi derg, when and where is the final, i used to play underage for Aghaderg a long time ago moved away about 17 years ago would like to go and support them in the Final.
all the best, its great to see them doing well after losing so many good players to the neighbouring clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on October 04, 2012, 12:57:16 PM
Anyone any opinions on players who are playing this weekend in the senior championship that may offer something to the county panel next year?  Is Timmy hanna from bryansford worth a mention?  Havent seen him this year but know he was around the county a few years back.  Cathal Magee from the Bridge?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on October 04, 2012, 04:09:54 PM
i am not so sure that every potential new player for the county will be enthusiastic after the way wee james man handled danny hughes on the side line  .a manager should not grab a player around the throat. canyou imagine him doing that to paddy or ross carr.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on October 04, 2012, 06:12:36 PM
Apparently an announcement is imminent on the new coach for the year ahead.. Think by early next week we will all be put out of our misery...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 04, 2012, 06:31:26 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on October 04, 2012, 12:57:16 PM
Anyone any opinions on players who are playing this weekend in the senior championship that may offer something to the county panel next year?  Is Timmy hanna from bryansford worth a mention?  Havent seen him this year but know he was around the county a few years back.  Cathal Magee from the Bridge?
both the toner brothers and eamon mc govern. That lad o rourke from the bridge and ryan kelly looked good. Packy downey had a good season butadly no
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 04, 2012, 08:31:26 PM
ulster championship draw for 2013 has been made. we have been drawn away to derry then winners play donegal or tyrone. couldnt have been much tougher.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on October 05, 2012, 04:34:09 PM
Bad draw at an early stage, though if we are ever going to progress we need to be competing with the best at any stage. James third year in charge, excellent first year, unfortunate second year due to defections and injuries, but it is now time to shit or get off the pot
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 05, 2012, 04:40:41 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on October 05, 2012, 04:34:09 PM
Bad draw at an early stage, though if we are ever going to progress we need to be competing with the best at any stage. James third year in charge, excellent first year, unfortunate second year due to defections and injuries, but it is now time to shit or get off the pot

It will be his fourth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 05, 2012, 04:43:27 PM
We had a handy run to the final last year and it only papered over the cracks we need to be competing against the best to raise our game from the start.Against the bigger teams we go in as underdogs which suits us better. Heard that Dawson is the new Antrim manager did anyone else hear ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 05, 2012, 09:19:35 PM
Down will need to seriously up their fitness they didnt come close to the 2 fittest teams in the country this year. Donegal and mayo were leaps ahead in fitness and conditioning. If they dont they wont do anything.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 05, 2012, 09:57:37 PM
IFC Semi Final
Bosco 1-11  Drumgath 0-11

SFC Semi Final
Kilcoo 1-11  Bryansford 0-13

McGrath didn't start with J.Ireland, P.Bonny, D.Savage or C.Clarke. All four had returned from their travels recently. They came on as subs. Might have been a different story if he had of started them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 05, 2012, 10:06:30 PM
Good fun at the Bosco game I hear!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 05, 2012, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2012, 10:06:30 PM
Good fun at the Bosco game I hear!
mass brawl at the end. couple of each team sent off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 05, 2012, 11:03:10 PM
Great to be back in the county final. Kilcoo didn't set the world alight tonight but always seemed to be in control. The work rate of the Kilcoo players and determination bettered bryansfords. Maginn was superb for them along with Chris brannigan. McGrath has a lot to answer for from a ford perspective, how can he leave Clarke, Savage, Ireland and bonny on the line and play lesser players in a game of that magnitude was baffling as well as positioning Hanna at full forward.
Role on Sunday fortnight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on October 05, 2012, 11:32:43 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 05, 2012, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2012, 10:06:30 PM
Good fun at the Bosco game I hear!
mass brawl at the end. couple of each team sent off.

An absolute disgrace.  If the Drumgath manager is not punished with a lifetime ban - the down county board need to walk away.  Of course he hit the young fella - as usual...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 05, 2012, 11:33:43 PM
The arrogance of Mc Grath knows no bounds.  Totally at fault not putting on such talent he had on the line to push on and win the game.  Its not the first time this has cost him, the most recent being the All Ireland potential winning Minor team of 2011.

The game was there to win but he wouldn't make the changes and when he did, he panicked but it was too late.

Another chance of victory gone for the man who is never wrong.

Bryansford will be delighted to get rid of him.

Fair play to Kilcoo.  Totally deserved their win and will be very hard to beat in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 06, 2012, 12:10:34 AM
Line Ball, everyone was disappointed with the way in which the Down minor team of 2011 lost, but it was a first round game and represented a stage at which was a little premature to talk about a potential Ulster title never mind an AI.

In terms of provincial championships, across minor, u21 and senior, Down have managed eight overall in just over a quarter of a century. For six of those, the manager was the person who you seem to regard as clueless. What does that say about all the available alternatives ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on October 06, 2012, 01:09:07 AM
+1 Limeball. McGrath up the road!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 06, 2012, 07:56:52 AM
i dont think the blame can be put on the drumgath manager.... bosco manager/selector was spoken to before that then when the brawl broke out there were numerous subs and officals from both benches on the field.  2 bad teams the point would beat the pick of them :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 06, 2012, 08:21:20 AM
If boys decide to go travelling can they can only blame themselves for not starting IMHO.  It was there decission to leave in the fist place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 06, 2012, 08:43:34 AM
Quote from: southdown on October 06, 2012, 08:21:20 AM
If boys decide to go travelling can they can only blame themselves for not starting IMHO.  It was there decission to leave in the fist place.

You can use that argument all throughout the season to your heart's content.

But when you're at the business end of a season, a manager has a duty to the club, not to the players. Making decisions that are detrimental to your club in an SFC semi final is not rational and it's downright unfair on the volunteers and supporters whose actions over the years helped get the club there.

As for the players, life's going to be unfair on a few of them if they're dropped - but surely it's more unfair on your better stalwarts that their chance of winning an SFC is not being maximised by their manager?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 06, 2012, 09:04:41 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 05, 2012, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2012, 10:06:30 PM
Good fun at the Bosco game I hear!
mass brawl at the end. couple of each team sent off.

terrible and totally out of context with the game. 5 reds 1 Bosco, 2 Drumgath players and 2 Drumgath line as well i think. one from the line ran on and kicked a Bosco player, on the head, cowardly, hope he done for a long time.

congrats to Bosco by the way
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 06, 2012, 09:44:49 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 06, 2012, 09:04:41 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 05, 2012, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2012, 10:06:30 PM
Good fun at the Bosco game I hear!
mass brawl at the end. couple of each team sent off.

terrible and totally out of context with the game. 5 reds 1 Bosco, 2 Drumgath players and 2 Drumgath line as well i think. one from the line ran on and kicked a Bosco player, on the head, cowardly, hope he done for a long time.

congrats to Bosco by the way

i think it was 2 reds for each team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 06, 2012, 10:42:34 AM
Quote from: southdown on October 06, 2012, 08:21:20 AM
If boys decide to go travelling can they can only blame themselves for not starting IMHO.  It was there decission to leave in the fist place.

Load of shite. 3 of the 4 Bryansford subs who came on last night had kept themselves in good physical condition and had won a North American title with the Ulster club in San Fran. It wasn't like they hadn't been playing football this past while.
From what I see of it, McGrath was trying to make a point. It was totally the wrong place to do it. Realisitically, he sacrificed a county final due to his own stubborness. If I was a Bryansford club man at the moment I would be seething.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 06, 2012, 12:24:31 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 06, 2012, 10:42:34 AM
Quote from: southdown on October 06, 2012, 08:21:20 AM
If boys decide to go travelling can they can only blame themselves for not starting IMHO.  It was there decission to leave in the fist place.

Load of shite. 3 of the 4 Bryansford subs who came on last night had kept themselves in good physical condition and had won a North American title with the Ulster club in San Fran. It wasn't like they hadn't been playing football this past while.
From what I see of it, McGrath was trying to make a point. It was totally the wrong place to do it. Realisitically, he sacrificed a county final due to his own stubborness. If I was a Bryansford club man at the moment I would be seething.
I think quite a few of them are seething and rightly so. When I heard the formation of the ford team and the personnel in the starting 15 I had every confidence of a Kilcoo win. We got over the line without firing on all cylinders but I have to say if the ford had bonny, savage, Clarke and Ireland on for Kane, somers, Keenan and McDonald then the ford would have caused us many more problems. McKibben at half forward and Hanna at full forward played into our hands as well.
McGrath is a stubborn man and in the past 4 years has not won a thing with a talented ford squad, us having knocked them out 3 out of the last 4 championships.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 06, 2012, 01:26:55 PM
Good result for the Magpies last evening they really grounded it out and think on the overall balance of play they deserved there win. The Ford were were very flat and apart from Maginn the other experienced players that they had never really came to the fore. I was really disappointed with Timmy Hanna as i was reading previous posts saying how he would be a great addition to the Down squad. I would say that will do Pete with them he has done an alright job with them but with that squad of players they really need to be winning things. I was looking at there bench and at least 7 recognised players who would get in most teams in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 06, 2012, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 06, 2012, 10:42:34 AM
Quote from: southdown on October 06, 2012, 08:21:20 AM
If boys decide to go travelling can they can only blame themselves for not starting IMHO.  It was there decission to leave in the fist place.

Load of shite. 3 of the 4 Bryansford subs who came on last night had kept themselves in good physical condition and had won a North American title with the Ulster club in San Fran. It wasn't like they hadn't been playing football this past while.
From what I see of it, McGrath was trying to make a point. It was totally the wrong place to do it. Realisitically, he sacrificed a county final due to his own stubborness. If I was a Bryansford club man at the moment I would be seething.

Danny Savage started the quarter final against Rostrevor last week so obviously has nothing to do with travelling in his case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 06, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 06, 2012, 09:04:41 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 05, 2012, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2012, 10:06:30 PM
Good fun at the Bosco game I hear!
mass brawl at the end. couple of each team sent off.

terrible and totally out of context with the game. 5 reds 1 Bosco, 2 Drumgath players and 2 Drumgath line as well i think. one from the line ran on and kicked a Bosco player, on the head, cowardly, hope he done for a long time.

congrats to Bosco by the way

Not the first time a drumgath supporter ran on to the pitch and kicked an opposing player in the head. The same thing happened to peter o'shea from ardglass a good few years back. Yet when one of their lads get a slap they are straight on to the psni and drag all kinds off shite through the courts. Hypocritical shower of wankers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 06, 2012, 06:27:38 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 06, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 06, 2012, 09:04:41 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 05, 2012, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2012, 10:06:30 PM
Good fun at the Bosco game I hear!
mass brawl at the end. couple of each team sent off.

terrible and totally out of context with the game. 5 reds 1 Bosco, 2 Drumgath players and 2 Drumgath line as well i think. one from the line ran on and kicked a Bosco player, on the head, cowardly, hope he done for a long time.

congrats to Bosco by the way

Not the first time a drumgath supporter ran on to the pitch and kicked an opposing player in the head. The same thing happened to peter o'shea from ardglass a good few years back. Yet when one of their lads get a slap they are straight on to the psni and drag all kinds off shite through the courts. Hypocritical shower of w**kers.

Enjoy div 3 you tube, perhaps you will fulfil ur fixtures next year. Breaking a mans jaw leaving him off work and drinking through a straw for 2 months is not a "slap" and I think u will find that said player has previous for this kind of thing and was already known to the psni!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TORGAEL on October 06, 2012, 06:34:13 PM
Absolutely correct, knockitdown, a broken jaw with it also not being the first time that guy had dispensed his style of "play" on the football pitch. Stick to the soccer lads !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 45 on October 06, 2012, 07:22:20 PM
What do you expect from this drumgath team , when they are managed by a man who only knew how to act like a thug on the pitch when he was playing for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on October 06, 2012, 07:53:40 PM
My turn for a grumble! My gripe is Conor Laverty recieving a kick to the head during the Castlewellan v kilcoo match with linesman Brendan Rice standing only yards away, absolute disgrace. Rice reckons he never seen it.
Check it out on Destination Newry on the 54th minute of the video.
Congratulations to Kilcoo on Reaching the final, IMO the ford could have started any of the named subs and i think we might still have won as we posess enough talent to compete with most Div 1 clubs on our day.
Here's to a good final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on October 07, 2012, 08:58:21 AM
Lets hope todays two games are as close as the two on Friday night.  Kilcoo and Bosco await the winners in the finals. This years senior championship is very hard to call with the intermediate coming in now under the radar,  Friday nights game will probably be sadly remember for what happened in injury time when the game was over.  The winners of Warrenpoint/tullylish will fancy their chances in the final especially with Bosco down at least two of their starting 15.  The Bridge/Stone game again will be big club against the small club and its a hard one to call.  Im going to go for the stone due to the way they performed last weekend but thats not me writing off the bridge though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on October 07, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
If you're going for the stone, then surely thats you writing off the bridge? ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on October 07, 2012, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on October 07, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
If you're going for the stone, then surely thats you writing off the bridge? ;D

This site used to be good to read about Gaa talk. Now theres alot of Assholes on it that are always negative and very pass remarkable. No comment is made now without an Asshole tralling it for mistakes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 07, 2012, 05:44:36 PM
Bredagh beat Ballymachugh 5-25 to 1-10 to progress to the semi final of the Ulster Junior hurling championship. we play St Endas in the semi final next week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 07, 2012, 06:16:30 PM
IFC Semi Final
Warrenpoint 3-11  Tullylish 0-07

Total mismatch with the Point dominating throughout. Ross McGarry bagged 1-10 from full forward with Gabriel Smith getting the other two goals.
Gareth Johnston had a solid game for Tullylish and I am still of the belief that he is as good if not better than most of our defensive options for the county at the moment.

SFC Semi Final
Mayobridge 4-15  Longstone 1-10

Bridge looked right and good. They were excellent defensively with Conor Garvey superb. Experience of the two Sextons, Pluggy Barry and Benny made a huge difference. Conleth O'Hare showed up well with two goals as he came in for Cathal Magee before the game. Ryan Brady caused a lot of bother in the Stone full back line while Caolan Gallagher was flying at centre half forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 07, 2012, 08:08:13 PM
Easy enough for Warrenpoint and Mayobridge.  Poacher is a hard man to warm to, getting a wee dig in at lower league football in the post match interview.  He'd do well to remember where he played most of his club football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 07, 2012, 09:15:53 PM
What did he say in post match interview.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on October 07, 2012, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 07, 2012, 09:15:53 PM
What did he say in post match interview.



From what i heard he was poking fun at his own football ability rather than lower lge football

Anyway Bridges gameplan totally outfoxed the stone so we have 2   teams contesting our Co. final where management skills+tactics played a massive part in getting them there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 07, 2012, 09:41:51 PM
Quote from: MK on October 07, 2012, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 07, 2012, 09:15:53 PM
What did he say in post match interview.



From what i heard he was poking fun at his own football ability rather than lower lge football

Anyway Bridges gameplan totally outfoxed the stone so we have 2   teams contesting our Co. final where management skills+tactics played a massive part in getting them there

Didn't hear it but from those watched it I am led to believe he was making fun at his own expense.

This is going to be a very tight final, with Kilcoo yet to hit their potential and still being in the final, versus the Bridge who put on a quality display of both attacking and defensive football. Still unsure as to what way to plump in the predictions.

Though for our club there is the small matter of the Junior championship final next week. Looking forward to both games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on October 07, 2012, 10:27:48 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on October 07, 2012, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on October 07, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
If you're going for the stone, then surely thats you writing off the bridge? ;D

This site used to be good to read about Gaa talk. Now theres alot of Assholes on it that are always negative and very pass remarkable. No comment is made now without an Asshole tralling it for mistakes

Did you just call me an asshole there?  ??? I just thought it was funny that he was saying longstone to win, but not writing off mayobridge. Surely you can see that? I dont think im overly negative, nor do i think i talk shite. I enjoy the craic on here, aswell as info, best source or 'ear to the ground' stuff. I like it, and I think il stay. So eh, f**k up, ye tit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 07, 2012, 11:34:46 PM
Two very one sided games tonight Bridge played some great football with Benny excellent as was Keith Quinn.Was disapointed with the Stone really thought they would of given it a good rattle.Point were miles ahead of Tullylish Ross Mc Garry would be worth a try in Mc Kenna cup a deadly finisher.On another note one man who defintely wont be on James backroom team is Cathal Murray heard that he is going to Antrim with Dawson
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 08, 2012, 12:00:48 AM
In the space of a week, the Stone went from one of the best championship performances seen in Down for many years to one of the flattest. It's clear that the massive second half effort against Burren left them drained, and they were second best all over the field tonight.

Michael Ireland got almost all their scores and seems a viable county candidate, but the tactic of firing in high balls toward Ryan Kelly made little sense and they were a well beaten side long before the final quarter.

Mayobridge were impressive by any standards, with Benny getthing the better of Ambrose at midfield and also managing a couple of brilliant long-range points. They were well organised, had plenty of pace and seemed to have a decent bench. With Kilcoo looking as competitive as ever, we could be in for quite a final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on October 08, 2012, 03:25:33 PM
Has there been any further repercussions from the Drumgath v Bosco game. I wasn't there but heard plenty of chat about it at yesterday's games. It seems that there were disgraceful scenes. Hopefully those responsible will be severely punished by the County Board.

On yesterday's games, Warrenpoint were far too strong for Tullylish yesterday. A very well drilled outfit. I can't see there being an upset in the final but fair play to Bosco, they have nothing to loose. McGarry looked the pick of the forwards for Warrenpoint. Tullylish's Gareth Johnston was by far the stand out player for them. I really think he could offer something at county level.

The Bridge once again showed their class when it counted. A comprehensive win over Longstone. The Stone can take away good experience from this campaign and perhaps will be stronger next year. A mouthwatering final in prospect. Too close to call??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 08, 2012, 04:02:52 PM
anyone know date time and Venue of junior Final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on October 08, 2012, 09:30:31 PM
Has anyone got any notifications yet from the County Board about the Admission to the Intermediate and Senior Finals?

I got one through my twitter account and it stated that the Stand is now all ticketed at £12 per adult, £8 for Seniors/Students and £5 for ALL U16's...... Have the CB gone mad?

All ticketed?

I've four children (the youngest 11 months) and my wife. Do the CB really expect me to go to the terrace with a 11 month old child and expect me, the wife and kids to stand through 2 games that I was looking forward to go to until I got that message from CB!

It's a pity that as always, the CB try to bleed every penny out of ya on the biggest day in our club calendar.

But do these charges apply if you bought one of those £30 tickets that gained you entry into all club championship games? Does it get you a seat in the main stand?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on October 09, 2012, 11:35:56 AM
With Frank Dawsons appointment as Antrim manager this will leave a hard act to follow in Burren. Two championships in three years and sitting top of the league this year is an impressive record by any standards. Burren will feel that they should be in the final again this year but thats whats great about the knockout stages of championship, you have to perform every minute of the game. Who will take on the reins there now?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 09, 2012, 01:29:25 PM
Frank has done a great job and will be a hard man to follow but we have the best squad and best underage structures in place to dominate for years to come.sean ward would be my pick but their are rumours that the o rourke and o hare combination are interested which would not be a bad choice.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on October 09, 2012, 02:23:33 PM
anyone know date time and Venue of junior Final


Newry 4pm on Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on October 09, 2012, 03:37:47 PM
I would be surprised if Burren went for O'Rourke tbh, he hasn't exactly covered himself with managerial success in the last 10 years. Ward would def be an option tho I don't know if he is experienced enough to take on that role on his own. I agree Burren have a good squad but I dont think they are that far ahead of other teams in the county. I think Frank will be badly missed and it could be to Burrens detriment in the long run.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 09, 2012, 03:46:02 PM
Quote from: Down Mad on October 09, 2012, 02:23:33 PM
anyone know date time and Venue of junior Final


Newry 4pm on Sunday
Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 09, 2012, 04:02:20 PM
Why is the county board making kilcoo and burren play on friday. Sure the leagues are sorted. We won't go hard on the magpies though. We dont want them injured for the following week lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on October 09, 2012, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: downup on October 09, 2012, 03:37:47 PM
I would be surprised if Burren went for O'Rourke tbh, he hasn't exactly covered himself with managerial success in the last 10 years. Ward would def be an option tho I don't know if he is experienced enough to take on that role on his own. I agree Burren have a good squad but I dont think they are that far ahead of other teams in the county. I think Frank will be badly missed and it could be to Burrens detriment in the long run.

Ward should get the nod for that role as it was him who masterminded those u21 teams in the last while.  He was working with our neighbours this year and they hold him in high regard - but his home is calling now and im sure he will answer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on October 09, 2012, 08:32:13 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 09, 2012, 01:29:25 PM
Frank has done a great job and will be a hard man to follow but we have the best squad and best underage structures in place to dominate for years to come.sean ward would be my pick but their are rumours that the o rourke and o hare combination are interested which would not be a bad choice.

Dominate for years to come  ;D ;D and this from the clown that had a score to settle with cross this year ha ha wouldn't listen to a word this clown has to say
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 09, 2012, 09:07:53 PM


Quote from: pauly2 on October 09, 2012, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: downup on October 09, 2012, 03:37:47 PM
I would be surprised if Burren went for O'Rourke tbh, he hasn't exactly covered himself with managerial success in the last 10 years. Ward would def be an option tho I don't know if he is experienced enough to take on that role on his own. I agree Burren have a good squad but I dont think they are that far ahead of other teams in the county. I think Frank will be badly missed and it could be to Burrens detriment in the long run.

Ward should get the nod for that role as it was him who masterminded those u21 teams in the last while.  He was working with our neighbours this year and they hold him in high regard - but his home is calling now and im sure he will answer.

his home is calling now. did you ever hear such a pile of shite in your life, what the f**k do you care what happens in Burren anyway, do you ever post anything related to your own club you nosy bastard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the derg on October 09, 2012, 09:12:25 PM
The Junior championship final Dundrum v Aghaderg is at Pairc Esler Newry this Sunday 14 th October at 4 o clock come on the Derg...........................
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on October 09, 2012, 11:51:43 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 09, 2012, 09:07:53 PM


Quote from: pauly2 on October 09, 2012, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: downup on October 09, 2012, 03:37:47 PM
I would be surprised if Burren went for O'Rourke tbh, he hasn't exactly covered himself with managerial success in the last 10 years. Ward would def be an option tho I don't know if he is experienced enough to take on that role on his own. I agree Burren have a good squad but I dont think they are that far ahead of other teams in the county. I think Frank will be badly missed and it could be to Burrens detriment in the long run.

Ward should get the nod for that role as it was him who masterminded those u21 teams in the last while.  He was working with our neighbours this year and they hold him in high regard - but his home is calling now and im sure he will answer.

his home is calling now. did you ever hear such a pile of shite in your life, what the f**k do you care what happens in Burren anyway, do you ever post anything related to your own club you nosy b**tard.

Shut your mouth ya f*****g p***k - it was a topic for discussion and i answered it.  Dont like the post then f*** off somewhere else to where someone gives a s** about your meaningless opinions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 10, 2012, 12:06:35 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on October 09, 2012, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: downup on October 09, 2012, 03:37:47 PM
I would be surprised if Burren went for O'Rourke tbh, he hasn't exactly covered himself with managerial success in the last 10 years. Ward would def be an option tho I don't know if he is experienced enough to take on that role on his own. I agree Burren have a good squad but I dont think they are that far ahead of other teams in the county. I think Frank will be badly missed and it could be to Burrens detriment in the long run.

Ward should get the nod for that role as it was him who masterminded those u21 teams in the last while.  He was working with our neighbours this year and they hold him in high regard - but his home is calling now and im sure he will answer.

This is no way a dig at Ward's managerial capabilities. But to use the word masterminded in context of any club under 21 Championship would be OTT. To use it for Down u21 football, which only one club treats seriously, is mental.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on October 10, 2012, 08:19:25 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 10, 2012, 12:06:35 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on October 09, 2012, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: downup on October 09, 2012, 03:37:47 PM
I would be surprised if Burren went for O'Rourke tbh, he hasn't exactly covered himself with managerial success in the last 10 years. Ward would def be an option tho I don't know if he is experienced enough to take on that role on his own. I agree Burren have a good squad but I dont think they are that far ahead of other teams in the county. I think Frank will be badly missed and it could be to Burrens detriment in the long run.

Ward should get the nod for that role as it was him who masterminded those u21 teams in the last while.  He was working with our neighbours this year and they hold him in high regard - but his home is calling now and im sure he will answer.

This is no way a dig at Ward's managerial capabilities. But to use the word masterminded in context of any club under 21 Championship would be OTT. To use it for Down u21 football, which only one club treats seriously, is mental.

Well the U21 championship is there to be won and to win one or two is good going but to win 5 in a row is a serious achievement.  And dont come with that bollox only one team takes it seriously.  Every club takes it serious when they win it.  When they dont - ah sure we only entered it to give the lads football.. LOad of crap.  add into that that burren won 2 ulster championships - but then again maybe they werre the only ones takin it serious in the province.  I know that i would love the town til win a few county titles a this age group to give a good stepping stone for our seniors.  But then we have other sports to contend with.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 10, 2012, 09:57:47 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on October 10, 2012, 08:19:25 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 10, 2012, 12:06:35 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on October 09, 2012, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: downup on October 09, 2012, 03:37:47 PM
I would be surprised if Burren went for O'Rourke tbh, he hasn't exactly covered himself with managerial success in the last 10 years. Ward would def be an option tho I don't know if he is experienced enough to take on that role on his own. I agree Burren have a good squad but I dont think they are that far ahead of other teams in the county. I think Frank will be badly missed and it could be to Burrens detriment in the long run.

Ward should get the nod for that role as it was him who masterminded those u21 teams in the last while.  He was working with our neighbours this year and they hold him in high regard - but his home is calling now and im sure he will answer.

This is no way a dig at Ward's managerial capabilities. But to use the word masterminded in context of any club under 21 Championship would be OTT. To use it for Down u21 football, which only one club treats seriously, is mental.

Well the U21 championship is there to be won and to win one or two is good going but to win 5 in a row is a serious achievement.  And dont come with that bollox only one team takes it seriously.  Every club takes it serious when they win it.  When they dont - ah sure we only entered it to give the lads football.. LOad of crap.  add into that that burren won 2 ulster championships - but then again maybe they werre the only ones takin it serious in the province.  I know that i would love the town til win a few county titles a this age group to give a good stepping stone for our seniors.  But then we have other sports to contend with.

This is an outsiders opinion of Burren, and i dont live in the county anymore but i follow Down and go to vast majority of their games. I suppose what i am wondering is if Burren are so good and producing such quality at U21 level why are we not seeing this talent come to the fore for the Down senior panel. I have to say apart from McKernan in a few games 2010( i think he would be better in the half forwards) i have not seen anything special from Burren since Shorty Trainor. Just my opinion as an outsider.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on October 10, 2012, 12:47:33 PM
Have to say good luck to Aghaderg on Sunday. Its great for players like Marty Fitzpatrick who have given long service to the club over the years. They have lost a lot of good players over the years and it is great that this group can finally have something to shout about. Really hope they can cause an upset. All the best.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: plutus on October 10, 2012, 09:16:46 PM
hello everybody,my first post,so first senior final at the weekend any predictions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 10, 2012, 09:29:23 PM
Quote from: Down Mad on October 10, 2012, 12:47:33 PM
Have to say good luck to Aghaderg on Sunday. Its great for players like Marty Fitzpatrick who have given long service to the club over the years. They have lost a lot of good players over the years and it is great that this group can finally have something to shout about. Really hope they can cause an upset. All the best.

yeah, best of luck to Noel and the Aghaderg boys for Sunday. there will be some session in Tams if they do it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 10, 2012, 09:56:24 PM
Quote from: plutus on October 10, 2012, 09:16:46 PM
hello everybody,my first post,so first senior final at the weekend any predictions

Going for Bridge by 3 or 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthetown2013 on October 11, 2012, 01:24:59 PM

Your right Pauly2, we have to compete with the Bobby Dazeller Cup which is a joke.

We should have beat Kilcoo in the quarter final makes me sick thinking about it.

Apparently the word in Kilcoo is they have won it already with men going on the drink this week in Belfast JJ and PD  ;)

Typical Kilcoo cxxky as fxxk
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on October 11, 2012, 02:08:14 PM
Shane Mulholland is apparently in as a coach in the new look backroom team.... Interesting to say the least!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on October 11, 2012, 02:11:15 PM
Quote from: upthetown2013 on October 11, 2012, 01:24:59 PM

Your right Pauly2, we have to compete with the Bobby Dazeller Cup which is a joke.

We should have beat Kilcoo in the quarter final makes me sick thinking about it.

Apparently the word in Kilcoo is they have won it already with men going on the drink this week in Belfast JJ and PD  ;)

Typical Kilcoo cxxky as fxxk

We put ourselves in a strong position to beat kilcoo...but ultimately can have no qualms that the better team won that night as we completely lost our way in the second half...

It is a good learning curve for our boys though and they can look back on their season satisfactorily (league wins against bryansford, kilcoo, clonduff, saval, bholland, downpatrick and good championship wins over loughanisland and downpatrick)

I'd strongly dispute that Kilcoo believe they have it won, but would imagine they will give themselves a strong chance (and rightly so) even though Mayobridge will go in as favourites...

As for the two guys you have mentioned...physically they look after themselves extremely well so would be very surprised if they were doing anything untoward down in the city...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 11, 2012, 03:30:26 PM
I can absolutely guarantee that Shane Mulholland is not involved in the Down set up this year. Complete rumour-ville. No foundations at all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 11, 2012, 06:07:27 PM
Quote from: upthetown2013 on October 11, 2012, 01:24:59 PM

Your right Pauly2, we have to compete with the Bobby Dazeller Cup which is a joke.

We should have beat Kilcoo in the quarter final makes me sick thinking about it.

Apparently the word in Kilcoo is they have won it already with men going on the drink this week in Belfast JJ and PD  ;)

Typical Kilcoo cxxky as fxxk

A word that lets people write and make up whatever they want.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 11, 2012, 06:15:10 PM
Typical town team who are jealous of their neighbours.them boys.would harly touch a pint. That stuff might happen in other clubs but not kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 11, 2012, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on October 11, 2012, 03:30:26 PM
I can absolutely guarantee that Shane Mulholland is not involved in the Down set up this year. Complete rumour-ville. No foundations at all

I wouldn't be sure GY. I know Mulholland well and I'm pretty sure he's going to be involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on October 11, 2012, 06:25:49 PM
Hope this is not true
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 11, 2012, 07:30:59 PM
You are a wind up merchant Wobbler. Pangur is def right!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 11, 2012, 08:11:39 PM
Quote from: upthetown2013 on October 11, 2012, 01:24:59 PM

Your right Pauly2, we have to compete with the Bobby Dazeller Cup which is a joke.

We should have beat Kilcoo in the quarter final makes me sick thinking about it.

Apparently the word in Kilcoo is they have won it already with men going on the drink this week in Belfast JJ and PD  ;)

Typical Kilcoo cxxky as fxxk

Catch a grip coming on here and talking shite. The two lads are students and where likely out and about the Holylands but to start stupid rumours on here is sad. They are busting their balls 3 nights a week in Owen row park preparing for a county final.
And this about 'should' have beating us, the fact is in two championship games this season we performed poorly, had a player less for the majority of both games and yous stil couldn't beat us. A team with more will to win won each game and yous couldn't cope with the intensity and ferocity when it really mattered. I can tell you one thing we are delighted to be in the final but are certainly not cocky as we are aware of the mammoth task that beating an impressive bridge team will be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on October 11, 2012, 09:42:38 PM
Well said Mid Down Gael. It's very sad That upthetown2013 can't come on here and talk about the difficulties within their own club, without getting personal digs into individuals who play for a rival team. I'd like to wish both Mayobridge and Kilcoo good luck in the senior final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 11, 2012, 09:45:55 PM
down are in a group with armagh cavan and queens for the 2013 dr mckenna cup
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on October 11, 2012, 10:28:36 PM
Senior County Management Team as of Mid October is unknown.

Burren Senior Management Team is unknown.

Let's put things in context here when we are talking about our county team ,the names I'm hearing about the place wouldn't even be considered for Burren's Management Team.

If these names turn out to be true we are in aweful situation countywise .
I want posters on here to put the coaching and managerial c vs under scrutiny and see if we as a county are serious about success.
We need a serious back room team if we are to compete at the highest level and I'm very worried what we have in store for us leading our county if the grapevine proves correct.Let's all hope these names are rumours .


                                             the gael takes no prisoners !!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on October 12, 2012, 10:18:16 AM
I see in The Irish News today that Tullylish are advertising for a new manager. Obviously no one from within the club taking the job. Will be interesting to see who gets the post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 12, 2012, 02:11:13 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on October 05, 2012, 11:32:43 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 05, 2012, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2012, 10:06:30 PM
Good fun at the Bosco game I hear!
mass brawl at the end. couple of each team sent off.

An absolute disgrace.  If the Drumgath manager is not punished with a lifetime ban - the down county board need to walk away.  Of course he hit the young fella - as usual...

Report from the mourne observer re: Castlewellan v kilcoo quarter final

'This quarter final had it all, 14 yellow cards and three red cards, a row involving those on the sidelines and players'. I trust you will be calling for lifetime bans for all involved?? or are you a hypocritical **** as I expect?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bendyourback on October 12, 2012, 03:04:47 PM
Tullylish have a very young team coming through at present. Would be a great team for an up and coming coach to bring fresh ideas. Last weekend may have been a tough game for them, but with the right man they could be a team to watch out for in the new div 2 in 2013. They have plenty of good men in house who cud take the team but they seem to be in charge of making sure the influx of youth keeps coming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Feedthebear on October 12, 2012, 04:11:43 PM

Good fun at the Bosco game I hear!
[/quote]mass brawl at the end. couple of each team sent off.
[/quote]

terrible and totally out of context with the game. 5 reds 1 Bosco, 2 Drumgath players and 2 Drumgath line as well i think. one from the line ran on and kicked a Bosco player, on the head, cowardly, hope he done for a long time.

congrats to Bosco by the way

Not the first time a drumgath supporter ran on to the pitch and kicked an opposing player in the head. The same thing happened to peter o'shea from ardglass a good few years back. Yet when one of their lads get a slap they are straight on to the psni and drag all kinds off shite through the courts. Hypocritical shower of w**kers.


Enjoy div 3 you tube, perhaps you will fulfil ur fixtures next year. Breaking a mans jaw leaving him off work and drinking through a straw for 2 months is not a "slap" and I think u will find that said player has previous for this kind of thing and was already known to the psni!!



Oh so this man who got his jaw broke.....was it ok for him to knock another mans teeth out in a playoff game a few years back and then laugh about what he had done and get away with it??? Somehow I think not.....As the saying goes 'What comes around goes around'  As for the Drumgath manager, I witnessed the whole episode from the stand and he had no need whatsoever to get involved....however not surprisingly he did and his behaviour was an absolute disgrace.  This from a man who is meant to be a leader and setting an example for his team!!! What sort of example does that set?? It was a disgrace and I hope the correct people are punished!!  Those type of scenes have no place in our game!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on October 12, 2012, 11:04:47 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 12, 2012, 02:11:13 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on October 05, 2012, 11:32:43 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 05, 2012, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 05, 2012, 10:06:30 PM
Good fun at the Bosco game I hear!
mass brawl at the end. couple of each team sent off.

An absolute disgrace.  If the Drumgath manager is not punished with a lifetime ban - the down county board need to walk away.  Of course he hit the young fella - as usual...

Report from the mourne observer re: Castlewellan v kilcoo quarter final

'This quarter final had it all, 14 yellow cards and three red cards, a row involving those on the sidelines and players'. I trust you will be calling for lifetime bans for all involved?? or are you a hypocritical **** as I expect?

I never said anything about the players who got punished or will get punished for their part in the brawl.  when a manager crosses the line and strikes a player from an opposing team - he has to answer for it.  As a manager you have to set an example, you have to lead a team into battle prepared physically and mentally for the GAME to be played.  A manager taking the laws of the game into his own hands is a disgrace and deserves a lifetime ban. His daily job demands professionalism and discipline - his management popsition demands the same.  no hyprocrite here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 13, 2012, 05:00:16 PM
I wasnt aware the lad from drumgath who got his jaw broke against ardglass was involved in an incident which another player lost his teeth. But minutes before he got hit, he split an ardglass man with his elbow and the blood was streaming down his face. He offered two other ardglass players the same treatment before (for him) he asked the wrong lad. I dont like to see anyone getting hurt at any football match but for this individual in particular sympathy would be in short supply.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 13, 2012, 05:15:02 PM
Just heard Bredagh U16s beat Shamrocks by a point in today's A Final. Great achievement!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 13, 2012, 07:32:37 PM
Quote from: outinfront on October 13, 2012, 05:15:02 PM
Just heard Bredagh U16s beat Shamrocks by a point in today's A Final. Great achievement!
Was a fantastic achievement for this team especially given we were 2-3 to 0-0 down early on but fought back to trail 2-3 to 0-8 at ht. Shamrocks hit the post with a pen early on after the restart, and Bredagh scored one later on. nip and tuck for a while and we won 1-12 to 2-8. well done the management team and the boys :) :) 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 13, 2012, 10:38:56 PM
An outstanding achievement for Bredagh, as Shamrocks had hammered everyone in the league and championship so far. However, a final is always a one-off, and Bredagh have been knocking on the door at different underage levels over recent years and are probably overdue a title. Amazingly, their u16 hurlers - who have a huge overlap with the footballers - only lost the county A final by four points, a tiny margin in hurling, against Leitrim last month. An all-county A title in both codes in the same year would have been some going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on October 13, 2012, 11:18:51 PM
Hi folks I have been following the forum for the past few years but this is my 1st post. I'm a castlewellan man and I'm a bit disappointed by the post saying that the 2kilcoo lads wer on the booze. Even if they were (which I strongly doubt) it doesn't need to be talked about on here. After watching the game between ourselves and kilcoo I strongly believe we missed an opportunity to make a championship final although it would have been a bit too much too win it. Ok we are not in the top 4 teams in the league but we had a great opportunity against kilcoo and ildiscipline cost us the game. We have a young side and if we can learn from this year I think we will improve again next year.
As much as it kills me to say it u can begrudge kilcoo another shot at the title. The work the have put into ther underage over the past 12 years are so has been unbelieveable. But I think the bridge and benny will be to strong for them. any up dates on county set up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 14, 2012, 06:27:40 PM
Bredagh senior hurlers will be representing the county in the Ulster JHC final, they defeated Antrim champs St Endas 3-18 to 2-8 today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2012, 01:29:43 AM
Congratulations to dundrum on winning the junior championship today. Great to see. Enjoy down fanatic and dundrumite, yous deserve it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 15, 2012, 02:39:58 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2012, 01:29:43 AM
Congratulations to dundrum on winning the junior championship today. Great to see. Enjoy down fanatic and dundrumite, yous deserve it.

Cheers lad. Mature performance from ourselves. Just hope we can represent Down in the Junior with a bit of credit. Our county has the worst record in Ulster in the JFC series since its inception.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 15, 2012, 09:40:26 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 14, 2012, 06:27:40 PM
Bredagh senior hurlers will be representing the county in the Ulster JHC final, they defeated Antrim champs St Endas 3-18 to 2-8 today.

Who do you meet in the final Square ball?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Antrim Coaster on October 15, 2012, 02:04:31 PM
Na Magha, Derry City
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 15, 2012, 04:35:42 PM
Down have a shocking record in the club championships in both football and hurling. The last win was 2005 when Ballygalget won the senior hurling. In football the last win was in the 1980s with Burren.

We've never won at intermediate or junior in football or huling ASAIK.

Why do our club team not perform better in Ulster?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 15, 2012, 09:24:56 PM
Because the standard of club football and hurling at the present time is woeful, which is reflected in the current performance levels of our senior county teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on October 15, 2012, 09:47:38 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 15, 2012, 09:24:56 PM
Because the standard of club football and hurling at the present time is woeful, which is reflected in the current performance levels of our senior county teams.

Thats much too simplistic...

Consider the current (and fairly recent past) performance levels of the senior county teams of Antrim, Derry and Armagh and yet they have boasted top-class club sides...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on October 15, 2012, 10:42:51 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 15, 2012, 04:35:42 PM
Down have a shocking record in the club championships in both football and hurling. The last win was 2005 when Ballygalget won the senior hurling. In football the last win was in the 1980s with Burren.

We've never won at intermediate or junior in football or huling ASAIK.

Why do our club team not perform better in Ulster?

Liatroim won the Ulster Intermediate Championship in '98, it was the the first year of the competition and the winners went no further - as in there was no all ireland series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Intermediate_Club_Football_Championship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Intermediate_Club_Football_Championship)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 15, 2012, 10:55:29 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 15, 2012, 09:24:56 PM
Because the standard of club football and hurling at the present time is woeful, which is reflected in the current performance levels of our senior county teams.

I'd make this a big simplistic but it's in the right lines.

There's two underlying facts that have helped account towards these horrible stats:

1. We have a huge disadvantage at intermediate and junior level, because our leagues are tied to Championship i.e. they're honest.

2. At Senior level, Crossmaglen. And let's be honest about it, Cross have ruined it as a competition.


Beyond that there's the theories;

1. We are rubbish at winter football because we are soft.

2. We are rubbish at Championship football because we are soft, our referees are soft, and when it comes to it, we'd rather not fight for if.

3. Winning a club championship (at any level) is a huge thing for all clubs apart from maybe Burren and the Bridge. Therefore they go on the drink for a month just as they need to step up winter training.


But back to No.1's point, he's still half right. Because Down defending at club level is so appalling, we get found put when we leave our borders. Especially in the depths of winter when our classy forwards are reduced to muck treaders.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Diarrhoa Divil on October 15, 2012, 10:58:47 PM
Have to say congratulations to Warrenpoint Minors on comprehensively beating their lovely neighbours from Burren in the Minor championship final on sunday. running out easy winners the result was never in doubt, and if truth be told they shpuld have bate them out the gate by more. Nice to lift the minor title and well deserved after tasting defeat in the last few finals. With a good 12/13 of the same players available again next year all augurs well for the Blues. Also worth pointing out that there were 6/7 panel members involved with that Burren minor team who live in Point. The transfer system alive and well in Burren still.

With the Point having lifted both the All County Minor and Premier Reserve Championships at the expense of Burren they could be goin all out for a clean sweep if they win against Bosco on sunday. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 16, 2012, 12:23:13 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 15, 2012, 01:29:43 AM
Congratulations to dundrum on winning the junior championship today. Great to see. Enjoy down fanatic and dundrumite, yous deserve it.

Thanks boss. Enjoyable day, hopefully can represent Down with some distinction anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on October 16, 2012, 01:02:04 PM
Destination Newry have just tweeted that Matt Fitzpatrick, Gaa journalist has passed away! Sad news! ...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 16, 2012, 02:15:41 PM
Quote from: wildrover on October 16, 2012, 01:02:04 PM
Destination Newry have just tweeted that Matt Fitzpatrick, Gaa journalist has passed away! Sad news! ...

RIP Matt.a true gael had a great interest and love for the GAA and was nothing but a gentleman...he'll be missed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 16, 2012, 05:16:56 PM
RIP Matt. A lovely gentleman who followed the hurlers and footballers all over the country and beyond.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 16, 2012, 07:43:36 PM
RIP Matt - a true gael.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 16, 2012, 07:49:49 PM
Just noticed this on Facebook.  Surely U.15's should not be doing weights?  The rest I can accept but is this the right way to go to make our players bigger and stronger?  We only have to look at some of our inter county players who started weights too young and where did they end up?



Down GAA Development Squad Winter Strength and Conditioning Programme 2012:

As announced at the Development Squad Presentation Evening on 10/10/2012, Down GAA are launching an new Winter Strength and Conditioning Programme, which will commence Tuesday 16th October 2012.

This programme will initially be open to members of the 2012 u14 Hurling Development Squad and the 2012 u15 Football Developmen
t Squad. The names of the players and the venue they are to attend has been circulated all club secretaries this morning.

Strength and Conditioning has become hugely important within all sporting codes, none more so than in Gaelic Games.

It is our hope that this programme will further develop our elite young players, making them faster, fitter, stronger and more committed for the benefit of both Club and County

The main aims of the programme are as follows:
To educate young players on how to lift weights and condition their bodies for Gaelic Games.

To educate the players in the correct techniques for GAA relevant weight training.

To create a sense of togetherness. Hurlers and Footballers will be working side by side together for the benefit of DOWN GAA.

To find "LEADERS". There will be tasks set over the weeks & indeed there will be one or two Saturday sessions where we will be looking to find those leadership qualities that all successful teams need.

Commitment. Not only will the players be expected to attend once a week but in time they will also have a unique programme that they will be expected to do on their own at home.

Down GAA has acquired the services of Strength and Conditioning Coach Brendan Murphy to oversee the programme. Brendan will be present at all sessions ensuring that the working environment remains productive and safe at all times.

The programme is as follows:

East Down GAA Development Squad S&C Programme (9 Week Programme)
St Patrick's GS Downpatrick (TUESDAY) 7-9PM

30mins Strength / Core Circut (Sports Hall)
30mins Muscle Development (Weights Rooms)
30mins Aerobic / Anaerobic Fitness (3G Pitch)

Players Must Bring Trainers and Football Boots To Every Session

Dates:
16th Oct 2012
23rd Oct 2012
30th Oct 2012
6th Nov 2012
13th Nov 2012
20th Nov 2012
27th Nov 2012
4th Dec 2012
11th Dec 2012

South Down GAA Development Squad S&C Programme (9 Week Programme)
Abbey GS Newry (WEDNESDAY) 7-9PM

30mins Strength / Core Circut (Sports Hall)
30mins Muscle Development (Weights Room)
30mins Aerobic / Anaerobic Fitness (3G Pitch)

Players Must Bring Trainers and Football Boots To Every Session

Dates:
17th Oct 2012
24th Oct 2012
1st Nov 2012
7th Nov 2012
14th Nov 2012
21st Nov 2012
28th Nov 2012
5th Dec 2012
12th Dec 2012

 
2/3 Additional Saturday Morning sessions will also be incorporated into this 9 week schedule, however these will be held at external venues (TBC).

The sessions will commence at 7pm sharp and will conclude no later than 9pm.

Players have been based regionally to minimize the length of time wasted travelling.

If any player or parent has any concerns or queries about this programme etc, please contact Conor O'Toole directly at the number / email address below.

This exciting new venture needs the full support of our clubs, parents and players. Down GAA will do all we can to maximize the benefits for all involved, our players must do the rest.

Conor O'Toole
Down GAA Games Development Manager
developmentmanager.down@gaa.ie
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 16, 2012, 10:19:17 PM
Quote from: The Diarrhoa Divil on October 15, 2012, 10:58:47 PM
Have to say congratulations to Warrenpoint Minors on comprehensively beating their lovely neighbours from Burren in the Minor championship final on sunday. running out easy winners the result was never in doubt, and if truth be told they shpuld have bate them out the gate by more. Nice to lift the minor title and well deserved after tasting defeat in the last few finals. With a good 12/13 of the same players available again next year all augurs well for the Blues. Also worth pointing out that there were 6/7 panel members involved with that Burren minor team who live in Point. The transfer system alive and well in Burren still.

With the Point having lifted both the All County Minor and Premier Reserve Championships at the expense of Burren they could be goin all out for a clean sweep if they win against Bosco on sunday.


The name says it all ''Diaorhea''. Glad to see you still crying bout Burren and them taking players. Thanks for all those you have sent up the road.  Enjoy your Minor win seem to remember you having quite a few good minor teams that eventually went to the soccer or pub.

You should be looking at why players go up the road. Easy to blame others than to look hard at yourselves. Pity to tarnish your win by being a knob.


Good luck

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 16, 2012, 10:59:13 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 13, 2012, 05:00:16 PM
I wasnt aware the lad from drumgath who got his jaw broke against ardglass was involved in an incident which another player lost his teeth. But minutes before he got hit, he split an ardglass man with his elbow and the blood was streaming down his face. He offered two other ardglass players the same treatment before (for him) he asked the wrong lad. I dont like to see anyone getting hurt at any football match but for this individual in particular sympathy would be in short supply.

facts all wrong there ardtole!!!  im sure he could do without ur sympathy anyway u arsehole!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 17, 2012, 09:05:40 AM
they are not incorrect. its the end of the matter for me on here anyway. what goes around comes around and from what i am hearing drumgath are in plenty of trouble after what went on in their last game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 17, 2012, 11:23:44 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 16, 2012, 05:16:56 PM
RIP Matt. A lovely gentleman who followed the hurlers and footballers all over the country and beyond.

Lovely lad who enjoyed the craic, sad news.

RIP Matt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 17, 2012, 01:46:17 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 16, 2012, 07:49:49 PM
Just noticed this on Facebook.  Surely U.15's should not be doing weights?  The rest I can accept but is this the right way to go to make our players bigger and stronger?  We only have to look at some of our inter county players who started weights too young and where did they end up?



Down GAA Development Squad Winter Strength and Conditioning Programme 2012:

As announced at the Development Squad Presentation Evening on 10/10/2012, Down GAA are launching an new Winter Strength and Conditioning Programme, which will commence Tuesday 16th October 2012.

This programme will initially be open to members of the 2012 u14 Hurling Development Squad and the 2012 u15 Football Developmen
t Squad. The names of the players and the venue they are to attend has been circulated all club secretaries this morning.

Strength and Conditioning has become hugely important within all sporting codes, none more so than in Gaelic Games.

It is our hope that this programme will further develop our elite young players, making them faster, fitter, stronger and more committed for the benefit of both Club and County

The main aims of the programme are as follows:
To educate young players on how to lift weights and condition their bodies for Gaelic Games.

To educate the players in the correct techniques for GAA relevant weight training.

To create a sense of togetherness. Hurlers and Footballers will be working side by side together for the benefit of DOWN GAA.

To find "LEADERS". There will be tasks set over the weeks & indeed there will be one or two Saturday sessions where we will be looking to find those leadership qualities that all successful teams need.

Commitment. Not only will the players be expected to attend once a week but in time they will also have a unique programme that they will be expected to do on their own at home.

Down GAA has acquired the services of Strength and Conditioning Coach Brendan Murphy to oversee the programme. Brendan will be present at all sessions ensuring that the working environment remains productive and safe at all times.

The programme is as follows:

East Down GAA Development Squad S&C Programme (9 Week Programme)
St Patrick's GS Downpatrick (TUESDAY) 7-9PM

30mins Strength / Core Circut (Sports Hall)
30mins Muscle Development (Weights Rooms)
30mins Aerobic / Anaerobic Fitness (3G Pitch)

Players Must Bring Trainers and Football Boots To Every Session

Dates:
16th Oct 2012
23rd Oct 2012
30th Oct 2012
6th Nov 2012
13th Nov 2012
20th Nov 2012
27th Nov 2012
4th Dec 2012
11th Dec 2012

South Down GAA Development Squad S&C Programme (9 Week Programme)
Abbey GS Newry (WEDNESDAY) 7-9PM

30mins Strength / Core Circut (Sports Hall)
30mins Muscle Development (Weights Room)
30mins Aerobic / Anaerobic Fitness (3G Pitch)

Players Must Bring Trainers and Football Boots To Every Session

Dates:
17th Oct 2012
24th Oct 2012
1st Nov 2012
7th Nov 2012
14th Nov 2012
21st Nov 2012
28th Nov 2012
5th Dec 2012
12th Dec 2012

 
2/3 Additional Saturday Morning sessions will also be incorporated into this 9 week schedule, however these will be held at external venues (TBC).

The sessions will commence at 7pm sharp and will conclude no later than 9pm.

Players have been based regionally to minimize the length of time wasted travelling.

If any player or parent has any concerns or queries about this programme etc, please contact Conor O'Toole directly at the number / email address below.

This exciting new venture needs the full support of our clubs, parents and players. Down GAA will do all we can to maximize the benefits for all involved, our players must do the rest.

Conor O'Toole
Down GAA Games Development Manager
developmentmanager.down@gaa.ie

I would doubt very much that they will have the young lads lifting heavy weights and encouraging them to bulk up.  Rather educating them on the basics/techniques of lifting and some sort of introduction to appropriate and safe strength and conditioning is probably more llikely. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 17, 2012, 05:45:50 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 17, 2012, 09:05:40 AM
they are not incorrect. its the end of the matter for me on here anyway. what goes around comes around and from what i am hearing drumgath are in plenty of trouble after what went on in their last game.

As your obviously in the know could you please inform us all on which club received more suspensions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 17, 2012, 06:39:49 PM
ardglass.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 19, 2012, 04:00:32 PM
havnt been on much lately so belated congrats to our Dundrum posters on winning the JFC last week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 19, 2012, 04:25:03 PM
Excellent result today for the An Dún hurlers who beat Cross and Passion to make the Mageean Cup Final. Some achievement.

The Red High hurlers have also made the Casement Cup Final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 19, 2012, 05:15:16 PM
Am really looking forward to this game on Sunday. I have a feeling it will be very, very tight and low scoring but tactically will be fascinating. I think the two teams are very well matched and certainly two of the top three teams in Down. I went for the Bridge in the predictions as I feel Benny gives them a slight edge. However, I have been known in the past to get these things very wrong, I really look forward to it and may the best team win and keep the celebrations to a coupe of days with Ballybay awaiting  ;D

Also well done to the hurlers on a huge result over Cross and Passion. Six points down with five minutes to go and ended up winning by 6.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 19, 2012, 09:34:58 PM
Does anybody in the know know if there'll be stand tickets available at the gate on Sunday??/ (I know...I know..I'm a lazy bsatrd :()

Can't see past the point and the bridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 19, 2012, 10:20:37 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 19, 2012, 04:25:03 PM
Excellent result today for the An Dún hurlers who beat Cross and Passion to make the Mageean Cup Final. Some achievement.

The Red High hurlers have also made the Casement Cup Final.

Well done indeed!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ballybredagh on October 20, 2012, 10:18:17 PM
As an ex Cross and Passion pupil and hurler I had mixed feelings about the An Dun win, but it's good for Down hurling and it would be great if they could go on and beat St Mary's in the final. That would be some achievement on top of the Down minors winning the Ulster championship. It's just a pity that Lorcan McMullan and Chris Egan weren't able to play on this team. With them on board I'd bet my house on an An Dun victory
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 21, 2012, 03:21:32 PM
Down IFC Final
Warrenpoint 1-08  Bosco 0-08

Poor enough game.

Down SFC Final
Kilcoo 2-08  Mayobridge 1-08

Kilcoo the stronger team in my eyes. The Bridge's bigger players didn't really come into the game.

Well done to Kilcoo and Mid Down Gael who completed a memorable double by bringing home the coveted GAA Board Down Championship Prediction Championship!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 21, 2012, 06:51:02 PM
Congrats to MDG and Kilcoo on a fine victory. Hard luck to the Bridge, just wasn't there day.
Really hope Kilcoo can do well in Ulster, Down clubs at all levels have a poor record in Ulster. Hopefully this year can change it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 21, 2012, 06:53:42 PM
well done to kilcoo and warrenpoint. both victories well deserved. hopefully both can go well in ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on October 21, 2012, 06:54:15 PM
Both games were very  poor today and littered with mistakes. In the Warrenpoint v Bosco game The Point made very hard work of it and seemed destined to lose it.
In the Senior Final Mayobridge shot themselves in the foot after a couple of minutes with a dreadful error and and after that proceeded to be happy to play the game sideways and backwards causing Kilcoo very little trouble. Conor Lavery was the best player on the park and made four or five scores for the Magpies. The Bridge might regret not starting Kevin O'Rourke as he was one of their better players when he came on.

One final point. What a c**k up the County Board made in making the stand all ticket. The teams lifting the trophies done so in front of a stand that was one third full if lucky? Surely the option to pay at the turnstile shouldve been offered?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 21, 2012, 07:02:30 PM
Kilcoo were worthy winners of the Senior Championship although the Bridge conceded two very soft goals- the first an absolute disaster. Kilcoo close down options so well that in probably the second minute Brendan Rooney was forced to handpass to the goalie Strain- either he wasn'y expecting it or didn't want it but an unforced fumble presented a gift to my MoM Conor Laverty. After that the Bridge were always playing catch-up and weren't helped by an ankle injury to their sweeper Adrian Barry which forced him off before half-time. It was a poor enough game and Kilcoo were always more likely to come out on top in such a situation. Mc Corry also read it better than Poland/Poacher and beyond Keith Quinn, Ronan Sexton and Benny in parts, the Bridge were limited. Brannigan did a good job on Magee while Niall Mc Evoy helped out all over the field. Paul Devlin got MoM and his free-taking was good but I'm not sure they are strong enough to make an impression in Ulster.
The Point were always the better team in the IFC although a fully fit Duggan may have made a difference for Bosco.
As usual the organisation was good ( once you had negotiated your way past the three sets of collections with a further one among the seats) and the programme was excellent with a fine tribute to Matt Fitzpatrick and a minute's silence respectfully observed.You could pay at the gate for the stand- we did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 21, 2012, 08:54:59 PM
Best two teams won today. Pluggy going off was a big blow to the bridge...upset their game plan and they didnt seem to be able to adapt after that. Would wee James have seen anything to impress him today? Mallon from the point was impressive. Anyone else?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 21, 2012, 09:02:44 PM
Thought number 6 from the point had a great game also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on October 21, 2012, 09:15:53 PM
Signs at every turnstile entrance to the stand read "Prepaid stand tickets only"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 21, 2012, 09:23:25 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 21, 2012, 09:02:44 PM
Thought number 6 from the point had a great game also

McCartan.. excellent player...future looks bright for the point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 21, 2012, 09:36:21 PM
Quote from: guevara on October 21, 2012, 09:15:53 PM
Signs at every turnstile entrance to the stand read "Prepaid stand tickets only"
Apart from the ones that said Admission £12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on October 21, 2012, 11:16:32 PM
Its painful to say - but well done to Kilcoo.  They were the sharper from the start and really did deserve thier vicory in the end.  I honestly thought at one stage they were going to wipe the floor with the bridge.  they were the first team i seen in the championship that dealt effectively with the pluggy barry situation.  Dropping Darragh o hanlon as sweeper at the other end worked a treat.  when he drove at the bridge they had no real answers as pluggy was consumed with watching laverty.  Jerome Johnston took some wonderful catches in the first half and hit the score of the game in the second.  Paul Devlin was good in patches - his free kicks were good when needed.  One of the main players for Kilcoo was big Mcgreevy who got their second goal.  He is a big physical presence and caught some good ball in the middle of the park as well as getting the poachers goal.  What now for the bridge though? Will that defeat end a ffew careers for them.  Big Woods - who did rightly - will probably go now, the two sextons, Walsh, Benny, Barry - 6 players in their 30s with plenty of miles on the clock... this could have been their last hurrah.... On another note - i heard a rumour in the crowd that Poacher is to be named in the backroom team for the county this week....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 22, 2012, 12:24:20 AM
James McCartan got a presentation at half time as part of the minor team who won the AI 25 years ago, but probably went away with little else to remember from the county final.

While Kilcoo were the better side by a distance, they have an enormous work ethic but have few others who might be capable of joining the outstanding Conor Laverty in a Down jersey.

Paul Devlin and Jerome Johnston have huge ability but may not be physically strong enough for county football. Although Niall McEvoy had a fine game, 27 is probably on the old side to step up a grade. All three Branagans did well, without looking anything exceptional.

Mayobridge were a considerable disappointment, and could not really get Benny into the match. Keith Quinn, as we know, has potential, and Cathal Magee may be worth another look, but Ryan Brady was not at the races.

Overall, it was a poor enough final which was effectively decided by a freak goal after barely a minute. Kilcoo will test anyone on their day, but their captain's prediction of an Ulster title this year after receiving the cup was more than a little surprising. 
 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on October 22, 2012, 08:00:58 AM
Why has no one mentioned the outstanding catch from the Kilcoo Goalkeeper in the last 30 seconds??? Truly outstanding with the brilliant Benny Coulter at full height to palm
Her to the net! Well Done Stevey Kane and Kilcoo from a fellow East Down Gael! He should be in McCartans McKenna Cup Panel!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bitta-Banter on October 22, 2012, 09:07:08 AM
Has anyone heard the Down u21 club football groups? First game is in the next 2 weeks & still no word of the fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 22, 2012, 09:26:16 AM
Congratulations to Kilcoo - Over the 60 mins they were the better team if even only slightly but the right team in the end won. Although no one ever goes on the field to play bad or make mistakes the error made by the Bridge keeper cost them. It wasn't a great ball he was given for the 1st goal though he still should have dealt with it while he also failed to deal with the 2nd. Still the bridge had the full match to recover which they never did or weren't allowed to by a motivated Kilcoo outfit. Hope Kilcoo can know give Ulster a real rattle for all Down Gaels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 22, 2012, 10:24:04 AM
Very disappointing day at the office for us yesterday.  We battled gamely right to the end but the 2 slack goals killed us along with some poor decision making at vital times in the game.  The loss of Pluggy was another hammer blow, he is the man that sets up so many of our best phases of play.  Kilcoo's work rate was very impressive they swarmed us at times and forced us into a lot of very lateral play.  Lavery was unmarkable once our sweeper was gone.  Most Bridge supporters were of the view that the best team won but that we did ourselves no favors.

We meet Kilcoo again on Friday night in the league semi final in Clonduff, a game the Bridge could do without after Sunday.  The run out will do Kilcoo no harm in their preparations for their Ulster Club game against Ballybay the following Sunday.  Thats a game I'd be very surprised to see them loose.  After that probably St. Gall's which will be a stiffer test.  Kilcoo will be hard beat but the muckfest that is the Ulster Club won't suit their forwards. 

A lot of very annoyed supporters in Newry over the price of kids admission to the stand.  Something the co board need to rethink surely.

Best of luck to Kilcoo in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 22, 2012, 01:18:44 PM
Quote from: thebar on October 22, 2012, 09:26:16 AM
Although no one ever goes on the field to play bad or make mistakes the error made by the Bridge keeper cost them. It wasn't a great ball he was given for the 1st goal though he still should have dealt with it while he also failed to deal with the 2nd.

I think your being a bit harsh on the goalie, the pass really wasn't good at all. Looking back, I'm sure the centre-half is wishing he put 60 yards on it when he had the chance.

For the 2nd goal, the goalie is always at a disadvantage with a standing jump vs. a big man running in.


Also, congratulations to the fellas - a good reward for a helluva lot of work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 22, 2012, 02:15:27 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on October 22, 2012, 09:07:08 AM
Has anyone heard the Down u21 club football groups? First game is in the next 2 weeks & still no word of the fixtures.

Sunday Oct 28th

U-21 Round-Robin Championship (2PM)

Group A

Castlewellan  v   Lower Mourne         

Tullylish        v     Mayobridge 

Clonduff      BYE                     

Group B

Rostrevor      v        St Patricks   

St Johns    v      St Colmans 

Shamrocks    BYE                                 

Group C

Attical       v    Glenn 

Burren         v     Clann Na Derg             

Drumclone   BYE

Group D 

Drumcross   v    Kilcoo         
Bryansford   v    St Brigids (time tbc)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 22, 2012, 02:24:50 PM
A fair few amalgamations there.  Who are st Brigids, lower mourne etc?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 22, 2012, 02:32:28 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on October 22, 2012, 01:18:44 PM
Quote from: thebar on October 22, 2012, 09:26:16 AM
Although no one ever goes on the field to play bad or make mistakes the error made by the Bridge keeper cost them. It wasn't a great ball he was given for the 1st goal though he still should have dealt with it while he also failed to deal with the 2nd.

I think your being a bit harsh on the goalie, the pass really wasn't good at all. Looking back, I'm sure the centre-half is wishing he put 60 yards on it when he had the chance.

For the 2nd goal, the goalie is always at a disadvantage with a standing jump vs. a big man running in.


Also, congratulations to the fellas - a good reward for a helluva lot of work.

Perhaps I am being harsh -  the pass for the 1st goal wasn't great but in all honesty he should have took her while for the 2nd goal you make a fair enough point and the advantage was with the attacker - overall though Kilcoo were the better team on the day and were deserving winners irrespective of the goals
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 23, 2012, 07:59:12 PM
What a few days its been. Absolutely delighted that we r county champions for the second time in 4 years. Thanks to the well wishers and comisserations to mayobridge, they will come again and have been a fabulous side over the past 15 years. It's remarkable that we where without 6 starters from the 2009 team for different reasons and roger Morgan who went back to England this season and where able to cope and win the frank OHare cup. Hard work pays off. Role on ballybay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 23, 2012, 09:03:22 PM
Jim McCorry has done a great job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 23, 2012, 10:03:00 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 23, 2012, 07:59:12 PM
What a few days its been. Absolutely delighted that we r county champions for the second time in 4 years. Thanks to the well wishers and comisserations to mayobridge, they will come again and have been a fabulous side over the past 15 years. It's remarkable that we where without 6 starters from the 2009 team for different reasons and roger Morgan who went back to England this season and where able to cope and win the frank OHare cup. Hard work pays off. Role on ballybay.

Great stuff MDG. Best team in Down again...however the grammar police will be around to see you soon. ;) ;) ;)
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)Well done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 23, 2012, 10:10:02 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 23, 2012, 10:03:00 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 23, 2012, 07:59:12 PM
What a few days its been. Absolutely delighted that we r county champions for the second time in 4 years. Thanks to the well wishers and comisserations to mayobridge, they will come again and have been a fabulous side over the past 15 years. It's remarkable that we where without 6 starters from the 2009 team for different reasons and roger Morgan who went back to England this season and where able to cope and win the frank OHare cup. Hard work pays off. Role on ballybay.

Great stuff MDG. Best team in Down again...however the grammar police will be around to see you soon. ;) ;) ;)
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)Well done.

As long as they haven't got their breathalyzer with them  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 23, 2012, 10:47:14 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 22, 2012, 02:15:27 PM
Quote from: Bitta-Banter on October 22, 2012, 09:07:08 AM
Has anyone heard the Down u21 club football groups? First game is in the next 2 weeks & still no word of the fixtures.

Sunday Oct 28th

U-21 Round-Robin Championship (2PM)

Group A

Castlewellan  v   Lower Mourne         

Tullylish        v     Mayobridge 

Clonduff      BYE                     

Group B

Rostrevor      v        St Patricks   

St Johns    v      St Colmans 

Shamrocks    BYE                                 

Group C

Attical       v    Glenn 

Burren         v     Clann Na Derg             

Drumclone   BYE

Group D 

Drumcross   v    Kilcoo         
Bryansford   v    St Brigids (time tbc)

Drumclone, Clann na Derg !!! - what a load of toss.
St Patricks, St Brigids ??? - who the hell are they?

These sort of nonesense amalgam names do nothing to promote GAA either within the amalgamated clubs or indeed beyond.

Why can we not just acknowledge a united tyeam called Drumgath-Annaclone, for instance where both identites are preserved?

If it works for permanent clubs in other counties (Donagahmore-Ashbourne in Meath, Abbey-Duniry in Galway to name just two), why does "the Down way" !! have to be so bloody contrived?

Next up will be Attistone or Darraghleagh or some such rubbish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on October 24, 2012, 12:45:39 AM
How about these leo? Castle-Ford or even Burren-Bridge! Could ya imagine those amalgamations?
Who would be the teams to look out for in this years competition?

On another note, I see the County Board are making Mayobridge and Kilcoo play there league semi final this Friday night. Would this be due to the pressure coming from the Burren camp to get it read up? To me it's showing the CB are being abit disrespectful to our new County Champions as they are to play a week later in Ulster.

Not a peep about the Bridge and the Magpies having to wait 8+ weeks last season on Burren due to their Ulster campaign.... Leaves a bad taste when you think about what goes on in this County.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 24, 2012, 09:00:41 AM
Burren refused to play the league semi last year because kevin mckernan was in Oz with the international rules, nothing to do with the ulster championship.  They ended up making a fool of themselves in the semi final anyway so were probably wrong not to play it sooner but it had nothing to do with the county board being in cahoots with Burren.

Same happened with Bridge a few years ago when Benny was in Oz.

Talk about not letting the truth get in the road of a good story!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 24, 2012, 10:24:07 AM
Quote from: Ballybredagh on October 20, 2012, 10:18:17 PM
As an ex Cross and Passion pupil and hurler I had mixed feelings about the An Dun win, but it's good for Down hurling and it would be great if they could go on and beat St Mary's in the final. That would be some achievement on top of the Down minors winning the Ulster championship. It's just a pity that Lorcan McMullan and Chris Egan weren't able to play on this team. With them on board I'd bet my house on an An Dun victory

Is this an amalgamation of St Columba's, Portaferry and St Pats, Knock?

We've a good few lads involved, but I wouldn't be sure what school some of them go to.

I presume McMullan and Egan miss out due to the academic year being different to the calendar year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 24, 2012, 10:46:14 AM
all the best to the Bredagh hurlers in the Ulster JHC final this sunday in casement. Pity i cant be there as i will be with our u16s who will also be representing the county in the mcgirr cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 24, 2012, 10:50:49 AM
I do love the theories about the County Board that emanate on here. A bystander could only form an opinion that their Raison D'Etre is to ruin football and hurling.

I'd have this opinion:


One thing I did learn from my year on the County Board is that all too many Gaels don't want to ever hear both sides of a story in decisions like this. They just want it their way, or they'll stick the boot into the Board. It's bloody unfair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 24, 2012, 12:36:44 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 24, 2012, 10:24:07 AM
Quote from: Ballybredagh on October 20, 2012, 10:18:17 PM
As an ex Cross and Passion pupil and hurler I had mixed feelings about the An Dun win, but it's good for Down hurling and it would be great if they could go on and beat St Mary's in the final. That would be some achievement on top of the Down minors winning the Ulster championship. It's just a pity that Lorcan McMullan and Chris Egan weren't able to play on this team. With them on board I'd bet my house on an An Dun victory

Is this an amalgamation of St Columba's, Portaferry and St Pats, Knock?

We've a good few lads involved, but I wouldn't be sure what school some of them go to.

I presume McMullan and Egan miss out due to the academic year being different to the calendar year.

There is a sizeable contingent from St Pat's. Downpatrick as well as hurlers from St Malachy's, Castlewellan, and St Colman's, Newry, on the side. I think they are taken from all Down schools.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 24, 2012, 01:47:55 PM
No St Pat's Knock pupils as they have a senior hurling team entered in the competition.  Thats why Chris and Lorcan aren't eligible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Feedthebear on October 24, 2012, 06:03:27 PM
Quote from: outinfront on October 24, 2012, 01:47:55 PM
No St Pat's Knock pupils as they have a senior hurling team entered in the competition.  Thats why Chris and Lorcan aren't eligible.

There are also a number of players from SERC Downpatrick on this team.  Best of luck to them tomorrow night =))
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 25, 2012, 08:59:25 AM
Quote from: Feedthebear on October 24, 2012, 06:03:27 PM
Quote from: outinfront on October 24, 2012, 01:47:55 PM
No St Pat's Knock pupils as they have a senior hurling team entered in the competition.  Thats why Chris and Lorcan aren't eligible.

There are also a number of players from SERC Downpatrick on this team.  Best of luck to them tomorrow night =))

Yeah, heard that last night as we've one lad who I thought had left school and his big mug is on the cover of the program shown in the Ulster colleges thread. Not sure I'd be happy with the eligibility criteria if I were some of the other schools.
Expect a shít storm from Antrim if they do beat St Mary's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 25, 2012, 11:14:44 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 24, 2012, 10:50:49 AM
One thing I did learn from my year on the County Board is that all too many Gaels don't want to ever hear both sides of a story in decisions like this. They just want it their way, or they'll stick the boot into the Board. It's bloody unfair.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.


[Although in saying that, ticketing the stand for the county final was a damn stupid idea!  ;D]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 26, 2012, 08:14:12 AM
Maroon and white flags flying from lamp posts along the Ormeau Road for the Bredagh hurlers in the Ulster final.

Makes a nice change!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 26, 2012, 10:02:33 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on October 26, 2012, 08:14:12 AM
Maroon and white flags flying from lamp posts along the Ormeau Road for the Bredagh hurlers in the Ulster final.

Makes a nice change!

Who'd have thought!

Up near Ballynafeigh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 27, 2012, 09:00:02 AM
I am going to buy a season ticket for the old man for Christmas.  I am not home to go to all the games with him.  If he enters the main stand at Newry does he have to sit in a designated ST area, or can he go and sit with whoever he wants in the stand?  Say for example, if my dad goes through the ST entrance, can he then go and sit with my brother who would also be in the stand but just paid in as normal?  Sorry if this is an obvious question or been discussed before.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 27, 2012, 09:45:41 AM
Southdown your father can sit wherever he wants except when tickets are issued from Croke Park .It would be no problem all through the league except in a semi final or a final where tickets will be issued to your e mail . The championship tickets are nearly always print at home tickets so he would probaly be on his own but in a section for season ticket holders. I have them from they first came out and find them a great job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 27, 2012, 02:13:24 PM
Who won last night between bridge and Kilcoo!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 27, 2012, 03:27:48 PM
Quote from: goldenyears on October 27, 2012, 02:13:24 PM
Who won last night between bridge and Kilcoo!
Game being played at 4 today in hilltown.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on October 27, 2012, 04:15:49 PM
Cheers MDG keep us posted
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pragmatist on October 27, 2012, 04:30:51 PM
I am now convinced that the naysayers have been right all along. For years I tried to promote the idea that we can improve players' decision-making on and off the ball, their movement off the ball, their positional sense, their timing of runs and their abilities to adapt to different game plans and attacking options. The truth is that for 90% of players we cannot!!
They bring with them their own inbuilt cerebral limitations for these skills and we can labour for as long as we want and convince ourselves we see glimmers of hope, but the fact is that they will revert to type more often than not.
Just get them as fit as possible, as well-conditioned as possible and as technically proficient as possible and forget the rest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on October 27, 2012, 05:39:05 PM
Final score Diwn ACFL div 1 semi final result Mayobridge 1.14 Kilcoo 0.03
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 27, 2012, 06:14:16 PM
What teams were playing today? When is the final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 27, 2012, 06:15:27 PM
Lacklustre affair in hilltown earlier where the bridge easily took care of the challenge posed by Kilcoo. Although they where missing 4 starters our line out consisted of many reserves and only 4 regulars featured with McCorry deciding to rest up players for ballybay next Sunday. Ryan Johnston was our best performer, while the sky blues had top notch performances from Michael Walsh, Kevin ORourke, Ronan Sexton, eoghan woods, Kieth Quinn and Michael lively.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 27, 2012, 08:56:23 PM
all the best to Bredaghs senior hurlers in the final of the Ulster JHC tomorow and our u16 footballers who are the counties reps in the McGirr cup. massive weekend for the club
Title: Ulster Hurling Final
Post by: No1 on October 27, 2012, 09:38:44 PM
Best of luck to the Ports tomorrow, with any luck Winker will have a late one in The Pound tonight!
Title: Re: Ulster Hurling Final
Post by: 5 Sams on October 27, 2012, 09:58:04 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 27, 2012, 09:38:44 PM
Best of luck to the Ports tomorrow, with any luck Winker will have a late one in The Pound tonight!

Naughty!! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 28, 2012, 11:26:52 AM
Ulster club hurling finals today and great to have two Down clubs involved. He's hoping for a double!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 28, 2012, 02:55:55 PM
Bredagh are Ulster junior hurling champions after pulling away in the final quarter to beat Na Magha of Derry by 4-18 to 3-7. There was only a point in it when Na Magha got their third goal but a young Bredagh side which was full of pace could not be stopped when they got into their stride. It was a great achievement and it is brilliant to see the club colours flying high along the Ormeau Road.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 28, 2012, 03:03:50 PM
Good stuff. Maybe the ports can surprise us all and pull off the double
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ballybredagh on October 28, 2012, 04:12:44 PM
Great result and performance from Bredagh in the junior final today. So satisfying to see our own home-grown talent playing such prominent role in bringing the first Ulster title (on the field of play) to the Bredagh club. Just a pity that the Ports couldn't get the better of a great Loughiel team, but not a bad day overall when the 3 titles go to 3 different counties (Lisbellaw having won the IHC).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Man on October 29, 2012, 11:04:26 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 27, 2012, 08:56:23 PM
all the best to Bredaghs senior hurlers in the final of the Ulster JHC tomorow and our u16 footballers who are the counties reps in the McGirr cup. massive weekend for the club
At least Naomh Eanna didn't let you have it all your own way. Well done to your hurlers, great performance by all accounts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 29, 2012, 01:13:12 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 28, 2012, 02:55:55 PM
Bredagh are Ulster junior hurling champions after pulling away in the final quarter to beat Na Magha of Derry by 4-18 to 3-7. There was only a point in it when Na Magha got their third goal but a young Bredagh side which was full of pace could not be stopped when they got into their stride. It was a great achievement and it is brilliant to see the club colours flying high along the Ormeau Road.

brilliant brilliant day for the club indeed, well done to all concerned
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 29, 2012, 01:44:46 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 29, 2012, 01:13:12 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 28, 2012, 02:55:55 PM
Bredagh are Ulster junior hurling champions after pulling away in the final quarter to beat Na Magha of Derry by 4-18 to 3-7. There was only a point in it when Na Magha got their third goal but a young Bredagh side which was full of pace could not be stopped when they got into their stride. It was a great achievement and it is brilliant to see the club colours flying high along the Ormeau Road.

brilliant brilliant day for the club indeed, well done to all concerned

Aye fair play to Bredagh, surely on their way back to senior.Thought the scoreline was a wee bit harsh on Na Magha but no doubting Bredagh deserved the win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 30, 2012, 07:12:34 PM
Does anyone know the price into the game on friday ? I hope there is a strong ref
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 30, 2012, 10:20:00 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 30, 2012, 07:12:34 PM
Does anyone know the price into the game on friday ? I hope there is a strong ref

Neil Cousins, he can bench press 80KG allegedly. All is good
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 31, 2012, 12:32:19 AM
I hope you are as smart on sunday with big collie holmes after you. You all take after paddy kielty then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 31, 2012, 08:30:26 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 29, 2012, 01:44:46 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 29, 2012, 01:13:12 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 28, 2012, 02:55:55 PM
Bredagh are Ulster junior hurling champions after pulling away in the final quarter to beat Na Magha of Derry by 4-18 to 3-7. There was only a point in it when Na Magha got their third goal but a young Bredagh side which was full of pace could not be stopped when they got into their stride. It was a great achievement and it is brilliant to see the club colours flying high along the Ormeau Road.

brilliant brilliant day for the club indeed, well done to all concerned

Aye fair play to Bredagh, surely on their way back to senior.Thought the scoreline was a wee bit harsh on Na Magha but no doubting Bredagh deserved the win.

That's the thing, They're Down and Ulster junior champions now, but as there's no intermediate championship in Down will they enter the senior championship in Down and possibly the intermediate championship in Ulster???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 31, 2012, 10:04:20 AM
Hopefully I'll be smart enough to stay out of his road. To your original point, Neil cousins is a good ref in my opinion probably one of the best in Down. Also have been impressed with Ronan Barry and Ciaran brannagan Bford. Boys that have played the game know seem to know the Craic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 31, 2012, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 30, 2012, 10:20:00 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 30, 2012, 07:12:34 PM
Does anyone know the price into the game on friday ? I hope there is a strong ref

Neil Cousins, he can bench press 80KG allegedly. All is good

That'll make him a good ref alrite  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 31, 2012, 01:23:01 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 31, 2012, 10:04:20 AM
Hopefully I'll be smart enough to stay out of his road. To your original point, Neil cousins is a good ref in my opinion probably one of the best in Down. Also have been impressed with Ronan Barry and Ciaran brannagan Bford. Boys that have played the game know seem to know the Craic.
brannigan:are you mad. There has never been a good ref to come from hilltown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on October 31, 2012, 03:28:51 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 31, 2012, 01:23:01 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on October 31, 2012, 10:04:20 AM
Hopefully I'll be smart enough to stay out of his road. To your original point, Neil cousins is a good ref in my opinion probably one of the best in Down. Also have been impressed with Ronan Barry and Ciaran brannagan Bford. Boys that have played the game know seem to know the Craic.
brannigan:are you mad. There has never been a good ref to come from hilltown
New refs on the scene this year I was specifically talking about, as in Bryansford man. The hilltown one is obviously doing something right though, he has the Ballinderry Eirrigal game, sure to be a cracker
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 01, 2012, 09:31:22 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 31, 2012, 01:23:01 PM
  brannigan:are you mad. There has never been a good ref to come from hilltown

toot toot toot toot toot toot toot toot toot toot toot

Are you trying to infer something about John Anthony?  ;D


[For the record I think Ciaran Brannigan is a very good referee, he's refereed a load of matches I've played in, some wins, some losses, but none I can blame on the man. Thats good enough for me.]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Real Gael on November 01, 2012, 10:05:53 PM
So the Down senior club season finally comes to an end tomorrow night, relatively early for us in Down as we normally manage to venture into December before we can get all our league play off games played, I actually think in the late 90's we had a division 1 league final played on Boxing day if memory serves me right, so Pol deserves credit in his debut season. On a worrying note we are now into November and no clearer on who will join James and Jerome in the new look Down Senior set-up. This is a major major concern, are there going to be trials, should players not be doing much needed weights programmes like Donegal, Armagh, Derry, Tyrone, Antrim and Monaghan all currently are, will there be a much needed clear out of dead wood and hangers on both on the field and off it? Decisions need to be made and made quickly but then again we are Down and we like to do things "the down way."

                                    o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-The Real Real Gael takes no prisoners-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on November 01, 2012, 11:08:20 PM
Quote from: The Real Real Gael on November 01, 2012, 10:05:53 PM
So the Down senior club season finally comes to an end tomorrow night, relatively early for us in Down as we normally manage to venture into December before we can get all our league play off games played, I actually think in the late 90's we had a division 1 league final played on Boxing day if memory serves me right, so Pol deserves credit in his debut season. On a worrying note we are now into November and no clearer on who will join James and Jerome in the new look Down Senior set-up. This is a major major concern, are there going to be trials, should players not be doing much needed weights programmes like Donegal, Armagh, Derry, Tyrone, Antrim and Monaghan all currently are, will there be a much needed clear out of dead wood and hangers on both on the field and off it? Decisions need to be made and made quickly but then again we are Down and we like to do things "the down way."

                                    o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-The Real Real Gael takes no prisoners-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-

I think its going to be poacher to be honest.  A whisper a few weeks ago was that it will be announced when the club season ends and that is tomorrow night for the county gaels.  Apparently Poland is standing down in Mayobridge after this game tomorrow night and i would think Poacher would have made his intentions clear at this stage if he wanted it.  Things could get crazy on the sideline next year...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 01, 2012, 11:56:37 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on November 01, 2012, 11:08:20 PM
Quote from: The Real Real Gael on November 01, 2012, 10:05:53 PM
So the Down senior club season finally comes to an end tomorrow night, relatively early for us in Down as we normally manage to venture into December before we can get all our league play off games played, I actually think in the late 90's we had a division 1 league final played on Boxing day if memory serves me right, so Pol deserves credit in his debut season. On a worrying note we are now into November and no clearer on who will join James and Jerome in the new look Down Senior set-up. This is a major major concern, are there going to be trials, should players not be doing much needed weights programmes like Donegal, Armagh, Derry, Tyrone, Antrim and Monaghan all currently are, will there be a much needed clear out of dead wood and hangers on both on the field and off it? Decisions need to be made and made quickly but then again we are Down and we like to do things "the down way."

                                    o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-The Real Real Gael takes no prisoners-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-

I think its going to be poacher to be honest.  A whisper a few weeks ago was that it will be announced when the club season ends and that is tomorrow night for the county gaels.  Apparently Poland is standing down in Mayobridge after this game tomorrow night and i would think Poacher would have made his intentions clear at this stage if he wanted it.  Things could get crazy on the sideline next year...

I know Stevie quite well from talking to him this is 100% untrue and he isn't the next Down coach
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on November 02, 2012, 08:19:35 AM
The county board have been saying for years that the play offs have been designed to allow county players to play a certain number of games for their club.  Would it not be a nice gesture for the county board to open the gates tonight for the league final and not charge in???  The gaels of down have paid in to their own respective games all season and this would be a great way for the county board to show thier gratitude...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 02, 2012, 12:26:45 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on November 01, 2012, 11:08:20 PM
Quote from: The Real Real Gael on November 01, 2012, 10:05:53 PM
So the Down senior club season finally comes to an end tomorrow night, relatively early for us in Down as we normally manage to venture into December before we can get all our league play off games played, I actually think in the late 90's we had a division 1 league final played on Boxing day if memory serves me right, so Pol deserves credit in his debut season. On a worrying note we are now into November and no clearer on who will join James and Jerome in the new look Down Senior set-up. This is a major major concern, are there going to be trials, should players not be doing much needed weights programmes like Donegal, Armagh, Derry, Tyrone, Antrim and Monaghan all currently are, will there be a much needed clear out of dead wood and hangers on both on the field and off it? Decisions need to be made and made quickly but then again we are Down and we like to do things "the down way."

                                    o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-The Real Real Gael takes no prisoners-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-

I think its going to be poacher to be honest.  A whisper a few weeks ago was that it will be announced when the club season ends and that is tomorrow night for the county gaels.  Apparently Poland is standing down in Mayobridge after this game tomorrow night and i would think Poacher would have made his intentions clear at this stage if he wanted it.  Things could get crazy on the sideline next year...

more rumour spreading and untruths from you. keep your bullshit to yourself please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 02, 2012, 05:47:41 PM
Good luck to all involved in franks last game. Bring home the bacon and show the county that we still have the best team in down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 02, 2012, 09:49:15 PM
Down Division 1 League Final

Burren 4-8  Mayobridge 2-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on November 03, 2012, 01:02:47 AM
what a shambles our county is...  The burren captain gets presented with the cup on the pitch, the bridge players walk off before he makes his speech and he lifts the cup aloft to a whimper from a poor crowd.  Surely this has to end.  The playoffs are not working.. Oh and Niall Moyna is the new trainer apparently... Poacher still with u21s...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 03, 2012, 08:37:46 AM
Very enjoyable league final in Newry last night where Burren where full value for their win. They where the better side throughout and if they had have taken more of their goal chances in the first half they could have been out of sight at half time.
The game was over as a contest the moment Kieth Quinn was sent off. No one in the ground could see why he picked up a second yellow only for that man Rice on the line. Too quick to be involved and have an impact as usual when it wasn't necessary.
The bridge battled gamely to the end, there best performers over the hour being the brilliant Kevin ORourke with 2-3, how he didn't start the championship final is baffling, Ronan Sexton and Jamie Barr. How Michael Walsh didn't feature after his classy display against us also baffles me, obvious there is favourtism issues in the bridge. Two finals lost that could have been won for the sky blues only for some fatal errors in game time and in team selections.
Burren will be back to challenge us next year and they are a top class side. Gerard McGovern, David McEntee, Gerard McCartan, Kevin mckernan and Donal OHare where their top exponents last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on November 03, 2012, 01:05:07 PM
Down GAA are delighted to be able to announce that both the Senior Football Team Manager James McCartan and the Senior Hurling Team Manager Gerard Monan have finalised their backroom teams as Down prepare for the 2013 season.

James will have once again Kilcoo man Jerome Johnston on board, Jerome has been a member of the backroom team since James took up the post in 2010 and is highly regarded for his knowledge of the game inside and outside of Down

Joining Jerome will be former Down All Ireland Medal winner of 1991 and 94 Eamon Burns who in the recent past has been in charge in Ballymartin, Darragh Cross and Bryansford and Eamon is looking forward to his first taste of Inter County Management.

The fourth member of the Management Team is Professor Niall Moyna of DCU. He was manager of the Irish U-17 International Rules team that toured Australia in 2006. In recent years he has managed the DCU senior football team to 3 Sigerson cups, 2 O'Byrne cups and a Ryan Cup. In addition, he was a selector on the St Vincent's team that won the All-Ireland club football championship in 2008, and has been part of the Dublin senior football backroom team that has won 3 Leinster senior football championships and the All-Ireland senior football title in 2011.

On the Hurling Front Gerard Monan will once again be joined by Martin McCusker from Ballela and Ballycran Clubman Stephen McAree with a new addition of Paul Flynn the former Waterford Hurler as Team Coach.

Paul Flynn the Ballygunner man has recently been Coach to the Carlow Senior hurling team and as a player won won three Munster winners' medals, one National League winners' medal and one All-Star award. Paul Flynn is Waterford's top championship scorer of all-time. The addition of Paul Flynn to the Management Team is an indication of Manager Gerard Monan's intent to improve the fortunes of Down hurling in 2013.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on November 03, 2012, 02:28:51 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on November 03, 2012, 01:05:07 PM
Down GAA are delighted to be able to announce that both the Senior Football Team Manager James McCartan and the Senior Hurling Team Manager Gerard Monan have finalised their backroom teams as Down prepare for the 2013 season.

James will have once again Kilcoo man Jerome Johnston on board, Jerome has been a member of the backroom team since James took up the post in 2010 and is highly regarded for his knowledge of the game inside and outside of Down

Joining Jerome will be former Down All Ireland Medal winner of 1991 and 94 Eamon Burns who in the recent past has been in charge in Ballymartin, Darragh Cross and Bryansford and Eamon is looking forward to his first taste of Inter County Management.

The fourth member of the Management Team is Professor Niall Moyna of DCU. He was manager of the Irish U-17 International Rules team that toured Australia in 2006. In recent years he has managed the DCU senior football team to 3 Sigerson cups, 2 O'Byrne cups and a Ryan Cup. In addition, he was a selector on the St Vincent's team that won the All-Ireland club football championship in 2008, and has been part of the Dublin senior football backroom team that has won 3 Leinster senior football championships and the All-Ireland senior football title in 2011.

On the Hurling Front Gerard Monan will once again be joined by Martin McCusker from Ballela and Ballycran Clubman Stephen McAree with a new addition of Paul Flynn the former Waterford Hurler as Team Coach.

Paul Flynn the Ballygunner man has recently been Coach to the Carlow Senior hurling team and as a player won won three Munster winners' medals, one National League winners' medal and one All-Star award. Paul Flynn is Waterford's top championship scorer of all-time. The addition of Paul Flynn to the Management Team is an indication of Manager Gerard Monan's intent to improve the fortunes of Down hurling in 2013.

Told ya so.... Interesting appoointment... Will be good to see what he brings to the set up.  Strange that mc elkennon doesn get in caus of finance and this man does..... strange..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on November 03, 2012, 02:41:18 PM
Niall Moyna is a great appointment to the County set up comes with great pedigree and is supposed to be one of the best fitness coaches around. He was linked with the Roscommon managers job.Eammon Burns has a good experience of coaching at different divisions in Down so he will know all the players lets hope he un earths a few new ones good luck to all concerned for next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 03, 2012, 03:30:32 PM
Brilliant appointment by Down. He has a lot of work to do to get Down back as serious contenders. The form of some of last years squad at club level in this years championship was far from inspiring while very few others showed real potential to compete at county level.
Players I believe deserve a chance are Darragh OHanlon, Paul Devlin, Nial McEvoy if he would go, Ciaran McCartan, Michael Ireland, Ryan Kelly, Sean parr, kieth Quinn, Tim Hanna, Nial Madine and Kevin Anderson.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 04, 2012, 09:13:16 AM
Good luck to Kilcoo, warrenpoint and Dundrum today in ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on November 04, 2012, 02:29:31 PM
dundrum beaten by 2-5 to 1-4!! Very unlucky
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 04, 2012, 06:16:29 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on November 04, 2012, 02:29:31 PM
dundrum beaten by 2-5 to 1-4!! Very unlucky

Spade a spade beat by better team on the day. Doesn't make it any easier to stomach but.
Good luck to Kilcoo and Warrenpoint, be great if an Down club could get this Ulster monkey off the County's back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Real Real Gael on November 04, 2012, 09:28:22 PM
A very interesting appointment by Down, personally I feel we let our best candidate for the job go to Antrim, 2 championships and a league title in his 3 seasons with Burren is not a bad return, but only time will tell. My knowledge of Nial Moyna probably equates to the same level of knowledge he has on Down club football which is minimal but I am sure the footballing genius Jerome will keep him right and ensure that Kilcoo are well represented. Speaking of Kilcoo, great win in Ulster today and I do think Kilcoo could make things very difficult for the city boys, 2 contrasting cultures clashing in the semi final, the wee men from the small parish verus the arrogant city men with a host of outsiders in their team should be interesting.

                                          o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-The Real Real Gael takes no prisoners-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on November 05, 2012, 12:14:36 AM
If you were a Real Gael, then you would know who Niall Moyna is ya Pratt!
Why waste your time in writing daft posts like this???

Personally I think it's a great appointment by the CB as I've played against DCU in the past, where he always has them in great shape and challenging for Sigerson Success every year.

A massive well done to the Magpies today on their victory against a stubborn Ballybay side. I hope they can go on and beat St Galls (although a tall ask), nothing is impossible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 05, 2012, 11:44:36 AM
Who are favourites for u21s. We are strong with established players such as shay , donal, conor and mac all available. Did kilcoo win at this level at minor?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on November 05, 2012, 01:48:29 PM
Correct me if i am wrong but i think kilcoo did win at this age group at minor! Anyone know why the two city teams bredagh and carryduff are not fielding at under 21, surely both clubs have sufficient numbers to field at this level!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 06, 2012, 08:19:14 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on November 05, 2012, 01:48:29 PM
Correct me if i am wrong but i think kilcoo did win at this age group at minor! Anyone know why the two city teams bredagh and carryduff are not fielding at under 21, surely both clubs have sufficient numbers to field at this level!

we would loved to have entered a team, we have a lot of players who would be eligible to play but too many of them are at Uni elsewhere and we would struggle to enter a competitive team, that simple
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on November 06, 2012, 10:10:09 PM
surely square ball it would have stood too the boys that you have available regardless of whether you where competitive enough seeing as you have been hanging around the lower divisions recently. You have any idea why your nearest and dearest neighbors are not fielding??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on November 06, 2012, 11:51:47 PM
Has there been any movers on the club managerial posts??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 07, 2012, 12:02:55 AM
John mcentee or sean ward in burren. Rumours from the bridge or poucher or paddy o rourke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on November 07, 2012, 12:18:31 PM
How many clubs are actually in need of a manager for the forthcoming season.  Has anyone a breakdown.  We usually get it at this stage. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 07, 2012, 12:28:58 PM
Lineups for 2013 Leagues and Championships

Division 1 and SFC

Burren
Mayobridge
Kilcoo
Clonduff
Longstone
Castlewellan
Bryansford
Saval
Downpatrick
Ballyholland
Rostrevor
Liatroim
Annaclone
An Riocht
Warrenpoint
Loughinisland

Division 2 and IFC

Shamrocks
Clann na Banna
Carryduff
Kilclief
Glasdrumman
Saul
Drumgath
Tullylish
Ballymartin
Bosco
Glenn
Darragh Cross
Atticall
St Johns
Dundrum
Bredagh

Division 3 and JFC

Ardglass
Drumaness
Mitchels
Teconnaught
Dromara
Bright
St Michaels
Aghaderg
Aughlisnafin
St Pauls
Ballykinlar
Killyleagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mont on November 07, 2012, 12:34:36 PM
Div 1 wil b an absolute dogfight for relegation. shud be good. roll on 2013
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 07, 2012, 12:54:28 PM
I was very critical of the new League setups when they were introduced. Id still be a fan of the 4 divisions.

However, that Division 2 looks like a complete lottery. At least 7/8 teams would fancy their chances of winning it. It should actually prove to be quite competitive as the four teams that finished around the bottom of the old division 2 this year wouldn't exactly be miles above the standard of the old division 3.

The new division 3 will be the same old story. The two teams that get relegated into it every year will go straight back up the next year. Division 1 will probably see a split with 6/7 teams pulling away from the bottom half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 07, 2012, 01:40:02 PM
Div 1 will be a joke. The likes of burren. Bridge and kilcoo will use playing against the weaker teams to blood youth and seconds players. They in turn will have stronger squads for the championships
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 07, 2012, 01:55:48 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 07, 2012, 01:40:02 PM
Div 1 will be a joke. The likes of burren. Bridge and kilcoo will use playing against the weaker teams to blood youth and seconds players. They in turn will have stronger squads for the championships
It's actually year 2 of this experiment that I've greater fear for.

There's no particularly weak sides in that Division 1, only a few sides that are bit stronger. All of the rest have plenty of recent SFC experience and will fancy winning the majority of their home games.

But it's hard to see which of the current D2 sides would be anything other than cannon fodder should they play D1 in 2014.

DownFanatic calls D2 a competitive lottery, which is right. But mainly because there's no strong teams left in it.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 07, 2012, 02:25:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on November 03, 2012, 01:05:07 PM
Down GAA are delighted to be able to announce that both the Senior Football Team Manager James McCartan and the Senior Hurling Team Manager Gerard Monan have finalised their backroom teams as Down prepare for the 2013 season.

On the Hurling Front Gerard Monan will once again be joined by Martin McCusker from Ballela and Ballycran Clubman Stephen McAree with a new addition of Paul Flynn the former Waterford Hurler as Team Coach.

Paul Flynn the Ballygunner man has recently been Coach to the Carlow Senior hurling team and as a player won won three Munster winners' medals, one National League winners' medal and one All-Star award. Paul Flynn is Waterford's top championship scorer of all-time. The addition of Paul Flynn to the Management Team is an indication of Manager Gerard Monan's intent to improve the fortunes of Down hurling in 2013.

A bit of a coup for the hurlers getting Paul Flynn involved, I only hope he doesn't get too disillusioned with the set up as this a far far weaker team than the one he played against years ago when waterford were very lucky to come out of Ballygalget with a win in NHL Div1.

I think his role is solely on the coaching side so hopefully he'll be listened to and dispatched to the clubs when possible to raise the standard of coaching from there up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 07, 2012, 06:10:06 PM
A good move alright and a surprise as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 07, 2012, 07:23:09 PM
Quote from:  ;)man on November 06, 2012, 10:10:09 PM
surely square ball it would have stood too the boys that you have available regardless of whether you where competitive enough seeing as you have been hanging around the lower divisions recently. You have any idea why your nearest and dearest neighbors are not fielding??

we could have ended up taking some heavy beatings with a very young team and that helps neither team. No idea about the Duff, but expect them to be in the same predicament, and dont mention the A word  ;) 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on November 07, 2012, 08:19:26 PM
Mcentee would be a good appointment if Burren could get him. As for the bridge, I'm not sure how poucher would go by all means he's a good coach but as for management I'm not sure. Although I like the guy so I hope he proves me wrong if he gets the job!! I heard a rumour that paddy hardy is going to laitriom again but not sure if that will happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on November 08, 2012, 10:12:04 AM
[Division 1 and SFC

Burren (NO MANAGER)
Mayobridge (NO MANAGER - POSSIBLY POACHER OR MICKY LINDEN)
Kilcoo (MC CORRY STAYING ON???)
Clonduff (P MC SHANE/T WILSON)
Longstone (G MC CARTAN)
Castlewellan (L HARDY)
Bryansford (NO MANAGER)
Saval (DARREN QUINN)
Downpatrick (?)
Ballyholland (S MULHOLLAND)
Rostrevor (G COLGAN)
Liatroim (NO MANAGER)
Annaclone (NO MANAGER)
An Riocht (?)
Warrenpoint (APPARENTLY TINNELLY IS STEPPING DOWN - WIN ULSTER AND HE MIGHT STAY)
Loughinisland (?)

Division 2 and IFC

Shamrocks (M LINDEN - POSSIBLY GOING HOME TO HIS NATIVE BRIDGE?)
Clann na Banna (?)
Carryduff (?)
Kilclief (?)
Glasdrumman (T POTTER)
Saul (NO MANAGER)
Drumgath (J LYNCH)
Tullylish (NO MANAGER)
Ballymartin (NO MANAGER)
Bosco (R TUMILTY)
Glenn (?)
Darragh Cross (?)
Atticall (?)
St Johns (SEAN WARD - OR WILL HE GO HOME TO HIS NATIVE BURREN)
Dundrum (F TONER)
Bredagh (?)

Division 3 and JFC

Ardglass (?)
Drumaness (?)
Mitchels (?)
Teconnaught (?)
Dromara (?)
Bright (?)
St Michaels (?)
Aghaderg (?)
Aughlisnafin (?)
St Pauls (?)
Ballykinlar (?)
Killyleagh (?)

Has anyone any updates on the above???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 08, 2012, 11:12:16 PM
Well done to the Red High for bringing home the Casement Cup after a big win over Rathmore. Great to see Hurling back en vogue at St Patrick's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 09, 2012, 08:51:15 AM
Here's a link to a video of the final. Well done.

http://www.ulstercollegesgaa.org/general/danske-bank-casement-cup-final-video/ (http://www.ulstercollegesgaa.org/general/danske-bank-casement-cup-final-video/)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on November 09, 2012, 11:41:22 AM
Fair play Jimmy McGuinness, took an average Donegal Team and turned them into Ulster and All Ireland champs inside 2 years, and bags himself a job with one of the biggest Clubs in the Soccer world, hat of, mans got talent!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 09, 2012, 12:58:19 PM
Quote from: NedFlanders on November 09, 2012, 11:41:22 AM
Fair play Jimmy McGuinness, took an average Donegal Team and turned them into Ulster and All Ireland champs inside 2 years, and bags himself a job with one of the biggest Clubs in the Soccer world, hat of, mans got talent!!

He's going to Everton?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 09, 2012, 03:21:11 PM
Mooney feels players are 'being used'

Former Down star Caolan Mooney says that he grew sick of Gaelic football before moving to Australia to join AFL side Collingwood.

The Rostrevor native caught the attention of some of the AFL's top clubs on the back of his progress with Down and made his debut with Collingwood, with whom fellow county man Martin Clarke also plays, this year.

The 19-year-old says that he doesn't miss his native game and feels that those playing in front of sell-our crowds at Croke Park are being taken advantage of by the GAA.

"It's at the point where you train professionally but you don't get any money for it," Mooney told the Irish Examiner.

"They bring in all these trainers who train the boys professionally and get paid but the players get nothing. They're just being used. It's far too much for an amateur sport. They're making a clean fortune out of the All-Ireland final, packing over 82,000 into Croke Park. Even Championship games, they make a fortune. They're making heaps of money but where does it go? Senior players come home from work and they then have to go training. They might get some fuel money at the end of the month but that's the height of it."

Mooney believes that players should be paid for services at inter-county level and that the association are at risk of losing more of them if they don't.

"When I was playing school football, I would come straight from school to train with the club or county," he added.

"I did that for two years and didn't get a break so I was like, 'I'm sick of this'. I got to the stage where I didn't even want to play Gaelic football anymore."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 09, 2012, 04:03:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 09, 2012, 03:21:11 PM
Mooney feels players are 'being used'

Former Down star Caolan Mooney says that he grew sick of Gaelic football before moving to Australia to join AFL side Collingwood.

The Rostrevor native caught the attention of some of the AFL's top clubs on the back of his progress with Down and made his debut with Collingwood, with whom fellow county man Martin Clarke also plays, this year.

The 19-year-old says that he doesn't miss his native game and feels that those playing in front of sell-our crowds at Croke Park are being taken advantage of by the GAA.

"It's at the point where you train professionally but you don't get any money for it," Mooney told the Irish Examiner.

"They bring in all these trainers who train the boys professionally and get paid but the players get nothing. They're just being used. It's far too much for an amateur sport. They're making a clean fortune out of the All-Ireland final, packing over 82,000 into Croke Park. Even Championship games, they make a fortune. They're making heaps of money but where does it go? Senior players come home from work and they then have to go training. They might get some fuel money at the end of the month but that's the height of it."

Mooney believes that players should be paid for services at inter-county level and that the association are at risk of losing more of them if they don't.

"When I was playing school football, I would come straight from school to train with the club or county," he added.

"I did that for two years and didn't get a break so I was like, 'I'm sick of this'. I got to the stage where I didn't even want to play Gaelic football anymore."

Jesus, its not like anyone forced him to play, how many games has he played for Down? didnt take him to long to get sick of it. take a bow Benny Coulter, Danny Hughes et al, even Roney Murtagh who i have slagged on here, lads like them gave years to Down without complaint.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on November 09, 2012, 04:30:35 PM
After a whole 2 years at it...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 09, 2012, 07:51:56 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 09, 2012, 04:03:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 09, 2012, 03:21:11 PM
Mooney feels players are 'being used'

Former Down star Caolan Mooney says that he grew sick of Gaelic football before moving to Australia to join AFL side Collingwood.

The Rostrevor native caught the attention of some of the AFL's top clubs on the back of his progress with Down and made his debut with Collingwood, with whom fellow county man Martin Clarke also plays, this year.

The 19-year-old says that he doesn't miss his native game and feels that those playing in front of sell-our crowds at Croke Park are being taken advantage of by the GAA.

"It's at the point where you train professionally but you don't get any money for it," Mooney told the Irish Examiner.

"They bring in all these trainers who train the boys professionally and get paid but the players get nothing. They're just being used. It's far too much for an amateur sport. They're making a clean fortune out of the All-Ireland final, packing over 82,000 into Croke Park. Even Championship games, they make a fortune. They're making heaps of money but where does it go? Senior players come home from work and they then have to go training. They might get some fuel money at the end of the month but that's the height of it."

Mooney believes that players should be paid for services at inter-county level and that the association are at risk of losing more of them if they don't.

"When I was playing school football, I would come straight from school to train with the club or county," he added.

"I did that for two years and didn't get a break so I was like, 'I'm sick of this'. I got to the stage where I didn't even want to play Gaelic football anymore."

Jesus, its not like anyone forced him to play, how many games has he played for Down? didnt take him to long to get sick of it. take a bow Benny Coulter, Danny Hughes et al, even Roney Murtagh who i have slagged on here, lads like them gave years to Down without complaint.


Agree 100% Charlie. Caolan would need to do a bit of research on where the money goes. The Ulster Council have just announced £100,000 worth of funding to Down clubs alone this week. Who does he think pays for the floodlights at every county game, etc, etc. You're right about Rony, Benny, etc. They are the sort of boys who would pay to wear the Red and black IMHO.  There's the difference......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on November 10, 2012, 08:45:02 AM
Mooney will be glad of the gaa in two years when he f**ks up down under. He's not exactly getting plenty of games!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 10, 2012, 02:35:46 PM
It will be a sad day if pay for play enters the GAA but some people are being a bit hard on Mooney. As someone involved in professional sport on the other side of the world. even if he is only 19, he is surely entitled to offer some thoughts on the code which produced him. When he was at home, he played for his club, his college, and his county minors, u21s and seniors all at more or less the same time, so it cannot be fair to question his commitment. He also turned out as a sub for Rostrevor in this year's SFC when he could just as easily have been on a beach in Australia. If he leaves Collingwood in a year or two, which remains to be seen, he would be a massive asset to Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 10, 2012, 03:38:57 PM
That lad needs to think before he speaks . typical rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on November 10, 2012, 03:48:07 PM
Is this the same zuke that managed to get into the college with about 10 U's at GCSE? All for 'footballing' reasons might I add. He'd do well to remember where he came from. Primadonna.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 10, 2012, 06:05:38 PM
If we put the more childish comments here to one side, there is essentially very little practical difference between the desire of both Caolan Mooney and Jim McGuinness to be paid for their involvement in sport. I would much prefer GAA players to be rewarded for their achievements in ways which do not involve hard cash. However, if Mooney does come home, helps Down to win an All Ireland and starts arguing for the introduction of financial contracts, that would not be the worst problem we have ever faced. He might even end up as a full-time coach with the county board, which would be a perfectly legitimate outcome.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 10, 2012, 08:12:55 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 10, 2012, 06:05:38 PM
If we put the more childish comments here to one side, there is essentially very little practical difference between the desire of both Caolan Mooney and Jim McGuinness to be paid for their involvement in sport. I would much prefer GAA players to be rewarded for their achievements in ways which do not involve hard cash. However, if Mooney does come home, helps Down to win an All Ireland and starts arguing for the introduction of financial contracts, that would not be the worst problem we have ever faced. He might even end up as a full-time coach with the county board, which would be a perfectly legitimate outcome.

i don't think anyone is questioning his preference to be a professional, not many could turn down an opportunity like that, its more the comments about players being used and where the money goes etc. the money is pumped back into the association and players play because they love the sport, the lad is saying he doesn't miss the game, fair enough that's his opinion but his comments read as a bit disrespectful in MHO maybe that was not his intention but it reads that way. Jim McGuninnes has played at intercounty level and coached and managed, his qualifications are in sports science, why would he turn down a career in it, i don't remember any interview where Jim has said he was sick off it. he dedicated the last couple of years of his life to bring All Ireland success. I don't think the comparison stands up MR.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on November 10, 2012, 09:10:06 PM
Give the lad a break ffs he's only 19 I'm sure he'l regret saying what he said when it's explained to him were all the money goes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on November 11, 2012, 05:51:21 AM
Wel said angermanagement. But as for the comment from fitzroyalty, catch urself on thers no need for that!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 11, 2012, 07:34:49 PM
Martin Sludden down to ref the Kilcoo game. Is he the boy who took the Loup semi final in 2009?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 11, 2012, 07:38:59 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 11, 2012, 07:34:49 PM
Martin Sludden down to ref the Kilcoo game. Is he the boy who took the Loup semi final in 2009?

couldnt tell ya but he rides Joe Sheriden
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 11, 2012, 07:39:30 PM
I think he is more famous for allowing joe sheridans try for meath against louth in the leinster final a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 11, 2012, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: dundrumite on November 11, 2012, 07:34:49 PM
Martin Sludden down to ref the Kilcoo game. Is he the boy who took the Loup semi final in 2009?
No paudie Hughes was the controversial referee in 2009.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 12, 2012, 01:40:39 PM
Burren were very poor in glenn yesterday. Our big players failed to perform and the injury to donal during the week did not help our cause.  I think their pitch helped them though and they will get it tough on a big field. The glenn centre half forward was the best player on the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DearyMe on November 12, 2012, 03:16:57 PM
Whats the feeling in the Kilcoo camp for this weeks match?  Is an upset on the cards?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on November 12, 2012, 04:24:56 PM
The following players are asked to attend Down Senior Hurling Trials on Saturday 17th November in St Patricks Grammar School Downpatrick at 12.45pm.

Ballycran :Aidan Clarke, Michael Ennis, Sean Ennis, Conor Dorrian, Andy Bell, Stephen Keith, Paul Keith, Michael Hughes, Paddy Hughes, Conor Woods, Scott Nicholson, Michael McCullough, James Coyle, Paudie Flynn

Ballygalget : Caolán Bailie, Daniel McManus, John McManus, Declan McManus, Eoin Clarke, Ben Toner, Danny Toner, Joe Smyth, Andy Smyth, James McGrath

Ballela: Johnny McCusker, Paddy McPoland

Bredagh: Paddy Byrne, Cormac Hughes, Donal Hughes, Lorcan McMullan

Carryduff: Conall Earley

Clonduff: Ryan Brannigan

Castlewellan : Rory Burns

Kilclief: Liam Deegan, Fintan Conway.

Leitrim: Liam Morgan

Newry Shamrocks: Artie McGuiness, Eoin McGuiness, Paul Sheehan

O Donovan Rossa (Antrim): Michael Turley

Portaferry: Paul Braniff, Andy Savage, Kevin McGarry, Aaron O Prey, Conor O Prey, Ciaran Coulter, Conor O Neill, Neil White, Brendan Coleman, Eoghan Sands, Paul Smyth, Conor Mageean

Warrenpoint: Micéal Cunningham, Matthew Teague, Chris Teague, John O Kane
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on November 12, 2012, 06:25:11 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on November 12, 2012, 04:24:56 PM
The following players are asked to attend Down Senior Hurling Trials on Saturday 17th November in St Patricks Grammar School Downpatrick at 12.45pm.

Ballycran :Aidan Clarke, Michael Ennis, Sean Ennis, Conor Dorrian, Andy Bell, Stephen Keith, Paul Keith, Michael Hughes, Paddy Hughes, Conor Woods, Scott Nicholson, Michael McCullough, James Coyle, Paudie Flynn

Ballygalget : Caolán Bailie, Daniel McManus, John McManus, Declan McManus, Eoin Clarke, Ben Toner, Danny Toner, Joe Smyth, Andy Smyth, James McGrath

Ballela: Johnny McCusker, Paddy McPoland

Bredagh: Paddy Byrne, Cormac Hughes, Donal Hughes, Lorcan McMullan

Carryduff: Conall Earley

Clonduff: Ryan Brannigan

Castlewellan : Rory Burns

Kilclief: Liam Deegan, Fintan Conway.

Leitrim: Liam Morgan

Newry Shamrocks: Artie McGuiness, Eoin McGuiness, Paul Sheehan

O Donovan Rossa (Antrim): Michael Turley

Portaferry: Paul Braniff, Andy Savage, Kevin McGarry, Aaron O Prey, Conor O Prey, Ciaran Coulter, Conor O Neill, Neil White, Brendan Coleman, Eoghan Sands, Paul Smyth, Conor Mageean

Warrenpoint: Micéal Cunningham, Matthew Teague, Chris Teague, John O Kane

Corect me if im wrong,  but 12.45 0n a Saturday is a awful time to hold trails for Senior players>?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 13, 2012, 08:29:08 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on November 12, 2012, 06:25:11 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on November 12, 2012, 04:24:56 PM
The following players are asked to attend Down Senior Hurling Trials on Saturday 17th November in St Patricks Grammar School Downpatrick at 12.45pm.

Ballycran :Aidan Clarke, Michael Ennis, Sean Ennis, Conor Dorrian, Andy Bell, Stephen Keith, Paul Keith, Michael Hughes, Paddy Hughes, Conor Woods, Scott Nicholson, Michael McCullough, James Coyle, Paudie Flynn

Ballygalget : Caolán Bailie, Daniel McManus, John McManus, Declan McManus, Eoin Clarke, Ben Toner, Danny Toner, Joe Smyth, Andy Smyth, James McGrath

Ballela: Johnny McCusker, Paddy McPoland

Bredagh: Paddy Byrne, Cormac Hughes, Donal Hughes, Lorcan McMullan

Carryduff: Conall Earley

Clonduff: Ryan Brannigan

Castlewellan : Rory Burns

Kilclief: Liam Deegan, Fintan Conway.

Leitrim: Liam Morgan

Newry Shamrocks: Artie McGuiness, Eoin McGuiness, Paul Sheehan

O Donovan Rossa (Antrim): Michael Turley

Portaferry: Paul Braniff, Andy Savage, Kevin McGarry, Aaron O Prey, Conor O Prey, Ciaran Coulter, Conor O Neill, Neil White, Brendan Coleman, Eoghan Sands, Paul Smyth, Conor Mageean

Warrenpoint: Micéal Cunningham, Matthew Teague, Chris Teague, John O Kane

Corect me if im wrong,  but 12.45 0n a Saturday is a awful time to hold trails for Senior players>?

Strange time alright unless the Sunday is a non runner for whatever reason, maybe P Flynn can't make it then.

Hurling doesn't lend itself to trials imo as manys a windy hurler would look good knowing they're not going to get burst, but go into hiding when it comes to a proper game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 13, 2012, 01:49:40 PM
Any word on new players called up to the Down panel. I hear they have started training.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 13, 2012, 01:55:48 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 10, 2012, 03:38:57 PM
That lad needs to think before he speaks . typical rostrevor

Wind your neck in you idiot.

Mooney is entitled to his opinion and if he felt this way so be it. He has had a year experience of playing and training professionally and is in a very good position to compare the two sports and the amount of time given up for each. It is ridiculous the commitment needed for inter county football whether it be minor, u21 or senior. He has clearly seen over the past season how much he trains and time given to his profession and can relate to time spent committing to GAA. He has come home and lined out for the seniors in the championship and the u21s in an end of season poorly run (although better this year than previous) competition, so don't think anyone can question his commitment to the association.

He was just airing an opinion after being away for a while and able to compare. Fair enough the GAA does give back some of the revenue in different ways, but its not known as the Grab All Association for nothing ;)

Oh and fitzroyface, no need at all, don't be jealous that's a good lad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 13, 2012, 02:32:03 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 13, 2012, 01:55:48 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 10, 2012, 03:38:57 PM
That lad needs to think before he speaks . typical rostrevor

Wind your neck in you idiot.

Mooney is entitled to his opinion and if he felt this way so be it. He has had a year experience of playing and training professionally and is in a very good position to compare the two sports and the amount of time given up for each. It is ridiculous the commitment needed for inter county football whether it be minor, u21 or senior. He has clearly seen over the past season how much he trains and time given to his profession and can relate to time spent committing to GAA. He has come home and lined out for the seniors in the championship and the u21s in an end of season poorly run (although better this year than previous) competition, so don't think anyone can question his commitment to the association.

He was just airing an opinion after being away for a while and able to compare. Fair enough the GAA does give back some of the revenue in different ways, but its not known as the Grab All Association for nothing ;)

Oh and fitzroyface, no need at all, don't be jealous that's a good lad.

Young men always have strong opinions so no surprise there. Could someone perhaps clear up for this discussion anyway, where does all the money go that is taken in from Championships and All Ireland?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 13, 2012, 02:39:02 PM
It's financial reports are published every year,

http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/annual_reports/Cuid1_2011_Annual_Report.pdf (http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/annual_reports/Cuid1_2011_Annual_Report.pdf)

The 2012 figures will probably be published march 2013.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fitzroyalty on November 14, 2012, 09:33:16 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 13, 2012, 01:55:48 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 10, 2012, 03:38:57 PM
That lad needs to think before he speaks . typical rostrevor

Oh and fitzroyface, no need at all, don't be jealous that's a good lad.
Apologies if you can't see Mooney's hypocrisy. Quite a change of heart from the fella that transferred to another school solely to play McRory football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 15, 2012, 11:39:43 AM
It doesnt say a lot for St Colmans either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 15, 2012, 09:04:05 PM
Mickey walsh is the new bridge manager according to the rumours from past the dump today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on November 16, 2012, 10:56:02 AM
that is an interesting appointment by the bridge alright.  He is only 31 or 32 and should still have something to offer on the pitch.  It will be hard for him to juggle playing and managing if thats what he is going to do.  I heard Eoin Woods is with him as well.  This man owes the bridge nothing and should be a good manager too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on November 16, 2012, 01:37:45 PM
Has the football squad been announced yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 16, 2012, 03:02:18 PM
Anybody going to the Club Down do in Ballyholland tonight??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 16, 2012, 03:26:46 PM
Ballyholland club: hardly the ritz. Main course of pat courtney sausage rolls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 17, 2012, 02:02:45 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 16, 2012, 03:26:46 PM
Ballyholland club: hardly the ritz. Main course of pat courtney sausage rolls

My first time in the Ballyholland club - its a superb venue and this was the best Club Down event I have ever been at. Col McAlarney was brilliant.

As for the food - absolutely gorgeous piping hot meal and choice of desserts by Willows Cafe of Warrenpoint. Unbelievable value at a tenner.

Cracking entertainment and Conor Laverty derved to win Breen Morgan award.

Brilliant event in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 17, 2012, 03:29:20 PM
I was only joking about the harps. I admire the work they are doing and its great that the gaels of newry have a division one team to support
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 17, 2012, 05:10:33 PM
Quote from: Leo on November 17, 2012, 02:02:45 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 16, 2012, 03:26:46 PM
Ballyholland club: hardly the ritz. Main course of pat courtney sausage rolls

My first time in the Ballyholland club - its a superb venue and this was the best Club Down event I have ever been at. Col McAlarney was brilliant.

As for the food - absolutely gorgeous piping hot meal and choice of desserts by Willows Cafe of Warrenpoint. Unbelievable value at a tenner.

Cracking entertainment and Conor Laverty derved to win Breen Morgan award.

Brilliant event in

McAlarney was as good a speaker as I have ever heard. Sean Magee did a great job with the Q&A although in fairness McAlarney was an easy interviewee. Very passionate about Down football. Good to hear a few new yarns from Big O although all the old ones were still there. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 17, 2012, 08:48:07 PM
McAlarney was so natural and at ease. Magee knew his stuff and gave the prompts but at the same time stood back and let Colm be the focus. Great insight into a great player's experiences. Did anyone record this?
There should be an archive committee in Down capturing wonderful interviews like this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 18, 2012, 04:32:57 PM
brilliant day for down football. well done kilcoo and warrepoint.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundrumite on November 18, 2012, 06:19:29 PM
Well done to Warrenpoint and Kilcoo. An port mor cakewalked there semiby 13 points which leaves a huge regret for us.

However, I remember 14 or 15 years ago going to watch our seniors play Kilcoo and now they are in an Ulster Senior club final. An achievement beyond words. All you can do is say fair play to them.

Looking at the talk of Jim Mc corry in BBC page " we will bring our own game and intensity to the final" they won't be fearing cross and like a lot of teams beat before they get on the field. The whole of 09 they were underdogs and thrived with that tag. Be a difficult task but I hope they can do it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 18, 2012, 06:29:46 PM
Ventured to the Athletic Grounds today and it was great to see Warrenpoint and Kilcoo both winning. This is a great boost for club football in our county.

Warrenpoint dominated the 1st half of their game and finished the 2nd half well. Aghagallon were a poor enough outfit but the Point always looked in control. They are an extremely young side who have done very well in getting to where they are considering their inexperience. Ross McGarry along with their captain McAleenan and the McCartan brothers had right and good games while the boy (Number 13) in corner forward was a threat throughout.

The 1st half of the Kilcoo game was tedious enough but the excitement levels rose in the second thirty. The Magpies were three down at a stage midway during the 2nd half but they came back admirably. Their substitutions worked a treat. Sean Devlin got the goal while Ryan Johnston seemed to get on the ball with nearly every attack. A couple of late points sealed it despite Niall McEvoy getting sent off.

Darragh O'Hanlon was the best player on the field of play in my opinion. He may only be 19 but he plays like a veteran. Took some brilliant scores and was intelligent on the ball. Donal Kane had a storming game and seemed to be everywhere. Laverty showed well and defensively the Brannigans played rightly. Galls looked lethargic in their warm up and apart from Karl Stewart they offered little scoring threat. Sean Kelly was superb in defence for them too. The Belfast men didn't take too well to Kilcoo's gamesmanship and it seemed to unnerve them.

Both teams will be underdogs for the Finals but it would be a massive coup if both pulled off victories.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 18, 2012, 09:33:23 PM
Great day for Down football from two teamss who understand the meaning of "club" and in y opinion are the emerging forces in the county. Move over Burren & Mayobridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on November 18, 2012, 10:43:47 PM
in reply to all the narrow minded dudes who knocked young mooney for speaking his mind be aware in these times of recession his livelyhood is considerably more important to him than the rantings of  cretons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimStynes on November 19, 2012, 11:05:48 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 18, 2012, 06:29:46 PM
Ventured to the Athletic Grounds today and it was great to see Warrenpoint and Kilcoo both winning. This is a great boost for club football in our county.

Warrenpoint dominated the 1st half of their game and finished the 2nd half well. Aghagallon were a poor enough outfit but the Point always looked in control. They are an extremely young side who have done very well in getting to where they are considering their inexperience. Ross McGarry along with their captain McAleenan and the McCartan brothers had right and good games while the boy (Number 13) in corner forward was a threat throughout.

The 1st half of the Kilcoo game was tedious enough but the excitement levels rose in the second thirty. The Magpies were three down at a stage midway during the 2nd half but they came back admirably. Their substitutions worked a treat. Sean Devlin got the goal while Ryan Johnston seemed to get on the ball with nearly every attack. A couple of late points sealed it despite Niall McEvoy getting sent off.

Darragh O'Hanlon was the best player on the field of play in my opinion. He may only be 19 but he plays like a veteran. Took some brilliant scores and was intelligent on the ball. Donal Kane had a storming game and seemed to be everywhere. Laverty showed well and defensively the Brannigans played rightly. Galls looked lethargic in their warm up and apart from Karl Stewart they offered little scoring threat. Sean Kelly was superb in defence for them too. The Belfast men didn't take too well to Kilcoo's gamesmanship and it seemed to unnerve them.

Both teams will be underdogs for the Finals but it would be a massive coup if both pulled off victories.

What game were you watching? Aghagallon were winning at half time and dominated the first 15 mins of the second half but missed a lot of easy chances! On another day those chances would have went over the bar or in the net and would have ran out easy winners. Fair play to Warrenpoint though they finished stronger and were able to bring on good subs. Aghagallon just have too many men away to oz and injured after a long hard season. Warrenpoint are a good side but they panic when put under pressure. With more experience and a few key players showing more composure they could be a very good side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 19, 2012, 11:25:10 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 19, 2012, 11:05:48 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 18, 2012, 06:29:46 PM
Ventured to the Athletic Grounds today and it was great to see Warrenpoint and Kilcoo both winning. This is a great boost for club football in our county.

Warrenpoint dominated the 1st half of their game and finished the 2nd half well. Aghagallon were a poor enough outfit but the Point always looked in control. They are an extremely young side who have done very well in getting to where they are considering their inexperience. Ross McGarry along with their captain McAleenan and the McCartan brothers had right and good games while the boy (Number 13) in corner forward was a threat throughout.

The 1st half of the Kilcoo game was tedious enough but the excitement levels rose in the second thirty. The Magpies were three down at a stage midway during the 2nd half but they came back admirably. Their substitutions worked a treat. Sean Devlin got the goal while Ryan Johnston seemed to get on the ball with nearly every attack. A couple of late points sealed it despite Niall McEvoy getting sent off.

Darragh O'Hanlon was the best player on the field of play in my opinion. He may only be 19 but he plays like a veteran. Took some brilliant scores and was intelligent on the ball. Donal Kane had a storming game and seemed to be everywhere. Laverty showed well and defensively the Brannigans played rightly. Galls looked lethargic in their warm up and apart from Karl Stewart they offered little scoring threat. Sean Kelly was superb in defence for them too. The Belfast men didn't take too well to Kilcoo's gamesmanship and it seemed to unnerve them.

Both teams will be underdogs for the Finals but it would be a massive coup if both pulled off victories.

What game were you watching? Aghagallon were winning at half time and dominated the first 15 mins of the second half but missed a lot of easy chances! On another day those chances would have went over the bar or in the net and would have ran out easy winners. Fair play to Warrenpoint though they finished stronger and were able to bring on good subs. Aghagallon just have too many men away to oz and injured after a long hard season. Warrenpoint are a good side but they panic when put under pressure. With more experience and a few key players showing more composure they could be a very good side.

Although I don't have the stats at hand I would be pretty confident that they would show that Warrenpoint dominated possession in the 1st half. And also, just because a team are winning at halftime doesn't necessarilly mean that they are dominating a game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on November 19, 2012, 11:51:19 AM
JimStynes, You highlighted the phrase "Warrenpoint dominated the 1st half of their game" in Downfanatics post then go on to disrepute it by saying it is wrong because Aghgallon dominated the first 15 minutes of the SECOND half. Do you not see your obvious error there???

Anyway both posts have truths in them. Warrenpoint dominated the first half and were amazingly unlucky to be behind at half time, Aghgallon had a 15 minute spell in the second where they were on top before Warrenpoint retook control and scored six points without reply. Aghgallon were woeful in shooting. but you can hardly claim much credit for them when they scored in the first five minutes of the second half and then got their next point 4 minutes into injury time at the end of the game.

Also you talk about Aghagallon missing chances and what might have happened "on another day.......". Warrenpoint also missed a goal chance, and two frees inside 30m. Not to mention that in the first twenty minutes they hit SIX wides before Aghagallon had scored their second point, which could have put them out-of sight by the first quarter. What about if their shots had been converted "On another day....".

To summarise, the game Downfanatic was watching was one where Warrenpoint dominated 75% of the match, Out-scored their opposition 7-1 in the 30 minutes regulation play of the second half, were denied a bagful of clear free-kicks, and restricted the opposition to 3 points from play over 65 minutes of football.

Well done Warrenpoint. More will be needed for the final but keep going and anything is possible. First Ulster Final in the club's history - A great moment!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimStynes on November 19, 2012, 12:09:54 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on November 19, 2012, 11:51:19 AM
JimStynes, You highlighted the phrase "Warrenpoint dominated the 1st half of their game" in Downfanatics post then go on to disrepute it by saying it is wrong because Aghgallon dominated the first 15 minutes of the SECOND half. Do you not see your obvious error there???

Anyway both posts have truths in them. Warrenpoint dominated the first half and were amazingly unlucky to be behind at half time, Aghgallon had a 15 minute spell in the second where they were on top before Warrenpoint retook control and scored six points without reply. Aghgallon were woeful in shooting. but you can hardly claim much credit for them when they scored in the first five minutes of the second half and then got their next point 4 minutes into injury time at the end of the game.

Also you talk about Aghagallon missing chances and what might have happened "on another day.......". Warrenpoint missed two goal chances, and two frees inside 30m, not to mention hitting SIX wides before Aghagallon scored their second point, which could have put them out-of sight by the first quarter. What about if their shots had been converted "On another day....".

To summarise, the game Downfanatic was watching was one where Warrenpoint dominated 75% of the match, Out-scored their opposition 7-1 in the 30 minutes regulation play of the second half, were denied a bagful of clear free-kicks, and restricted the opposition to 3 points from play over 67 minutes of football.

Well doen Warrenpoint. More will be needed for the final but keep going and anything is possible. First Ulster Final in teh club's history - A great moment!

I said Aghagallon were winning at half time! Meaning that if Warrenpoint were dominating the first half then why were they not 6 or 7 points up at half time? No point listing out the stats (that I looked at straight after the game) here as you will disagree with them anyway. But Aghagallon had the winnings of the game and missed too many chances at the start of the second half. A lot of neutrals shared the same view as me.

Anyway it doesnt matter as Warrenpoint won the game and are in the final now and fair play to them. The game was played in great spirit with both teams giving it all and hardly a dirty tackle the whole game. I have a few friends from the point and would love to see them go on and win it now. A place the size of Warrenpoint should be challenging for Senior honours!! Hopefully you have a group of players there that can start to try and achieve that.

Aghagallon has probably the smallest parish in the whole of Antrim so it was a great achievement to get to semi final but hopefully we can build on it now and get back to the big stage again in the near future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on November 19, 2012, 01:46:57 PM
Yesterdays results were brilliant for both Kilcoo and Warrenpoint! I was pleased to see the Kilcoo supporters get behind Warrenpoint and support the Warrenpoint team and likewise to the Warrenpoint supporters who supported our lads. Great great stuff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 19, 2012, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: lucan on November 18, 2012, 10:43:47 PM
in reply to all the narrow minded dudes who knocked young mooney for speaking his mind be aware in these times of recession his livelyhood is considerably more important to him than the rantings of  cretons.

the audacity of commenting on an interview of a professional sportsman in which he critices the GAA, and on a GAA discussion board of all places. cretons indeed lucan narrow minded as well. but as long as we are dudes. good man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on November 19, 2012, 04:40:42 PM
Congratulations to Kilcoo on their hard-fought win yesterday.

Thought they had excellent performers in Darragh o Hanlon who kicked a few outstanding scores, Daryl Brannigan who won his individual battle with CJ McGourty hands down, and Paul Devlin who also kicked a couple of fine scores and claimed an excellent fetch in the dying minutes which led to Kilcoo's final score (a free which he himself tapped over). Conor Laverty was well marshalled and had a huge task to try to win the sort of ball that Kilcoo put in throughout the game (high diagonal ball more suited to a bigger target-man) but still managed to carve out the outstanding moment of the game with a perfectly weighted through ball to Sean O Hanlon that led directly to the goal. Ryan Johnstone looked classy when he came on and had a big impact. Surely he must be pushing for a starting position?

On the negative side Stevey Kane in nets looked shaky from start to finish under any sort of high ball (unusually for him). Gerard McEvoy was troubled by his physically bigger direct opponent throughout, although managed to pop up with a vital fisted point at the end, Gary McEvoy didnt really contribute.

On the Niall McEvoy red card incident, he actually received a slap in the face from Karl Stewart first and had he himself gone down Stewart should have walked. As it was he blatantly stuck the head into the Galls man and now misses the biggest game of his career. Aiden Brannigan was fortunate not to be cautioned for a high tackle in the first half approx 5 minutes before he got yellow carded for another high tackle.

Was v.disappointed with St Galls. They actually didnt look fit and their lack of desire to match Kilcoo's work rate was evident.

With regard Crossmaglen, I genuinely cannot see Kilcoo troubling them.  They will be as fit as kilcoo, they are a stronger more physical side than kilcoo and amazingly their desire shows no sign of abating. They also have a few more marquee names than kilcoo that should have more than enough to see them over the line.

Anyway that is for another day. Congratulations again to Kilcoo....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Orior on November 20, 2012, 11:55:19 AM
Anyone here from the Leitrim club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on November 20, 2012, 10:36:08 PM
Fair play to Kilcoo the hard work in the youth developement t over the years has paid off. Hopefully they can go the whole way someone has to beat Cross at some stage why not Kilcoo.

Who's the rest of the management team apart from McCrory ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on November 21, 2012, 06:40:07 PM
There assistant coaches are Sean Michael Johnston (brother of Jerome on the county set up) and Paddy Murray. Both played ball for the Magpies for years.

A very fair analysis of the game Wildrover of the Kilcoo game on Sunday. Although a few of their players will be disappointed with thier own game Sunday, I think the final will give them the opportunity to rectify this. But fair play to them for battling through a difficult contest and having the determination and know how to get the greatest result in their history.

Personally I am still trying to come to terms of what they have achieved here, it's unreal for them and I wish them all the very best in the final (along with Warrenpoint in the intermediate final).

A neighbour told me yesterday that every player on the Kilcoo Panel came through their Primary School and played for them from U12's up. That's an amazing statistic for a parish of such small numbers. Probably all cousins too :-)! But well done Magpies, you's deserve it!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 23, 2012, 07:09:32 PM
Warrenpoint have apparently asked paddy o rourke to take them next year.for a club that yaps on about us stealing their players I think this stinks of hypocrisy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on November 24, 2012, 01:05:27 PM
Hardly. Good look to the Point. Undoubtedly the highest achievers in the county this year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointlad on November 24, 2012, 08:49:29 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 23, 2012, 07:09:32 PM
Warrenpoint have apparently asked paddy o rourke to take them next year.for a club that yaps on about us stealing their players I think this stinks of hypocrisy

Untrue rumours apparently with all who I have spoken to within the club to date.

Seems a bit of sour grapes and trying to take the glass of our great year with 2 final victories over yourselves only by the "wee towny club". I can assure you from what I have seen we are moving in the right direction and will be competing with all these bigger clubs at all levels in the coming years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 25, 2012, 10:38:43 AM
not a hope point lad. This happens once in a while with you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 25, 2012, 01:18:28 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 23, 2012, 07:09:32 PM
Warrenpoint have apparently asked paddy o rourke to take them next year.for a club that yaps on about us stealing their players I think this stinks of hypocrisy

What the f**k you gurning about?


So the point should run their manager shortlist past you for approval before going and looking for a new man?


Oh, and even the thickest of simpletons realises that poaching players =/= hiring a manager.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on November 26, 2012, 02:04:43 PM
Surely the point have a bit of sense and will keep hold of their current manager who has guided them to an ulster final??? They have a real balanced look to the team and there are no pri madonas about the place - i think they will give Cookstown a good run for it on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on November 27, 2012, 11:23:55 AM
Warrenpoint will not be paying for an outside manager to come in. Personally though I would welcome any contribution Paddy would be willing to make on a voluntary basis if he so wished. you can only benefit from his wealth of experience. Mind you - Voluntary - don't see that happening!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on November 28, 2012, 10:51:11 PM
I have to say well done to warrenpoint and Kilcoo for getting to the Ulster Final ,but in my opinion I think their opposition will just be too strong for them on the day
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: citykid5 on November 29, 2012, 08:57:22 AM
he has to stay on, no matter about the result on sunday. Or is he jumping ship while the going is good? Up with the big boys next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 30, 2012, 01:37:04 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 23, 2012, 07:09:32 PM
Warrenpoint have apparently asked paddy o rourke to take them next year.for a club that yaps on about us stealing their players I think this stinks of hypocrisy

Not really. Another terrible comment from yourself.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 01, 2012, 08:06:36 PM
good luck to kilcoo and warrenpoint. hope they can take ulster titles back to down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 01, 2012, 11:15:39 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 01, 2012, 08:06:36 PM
good luck to kilcoo and warrenpoint. hope they can take ulster titles back to down.

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on December 01, 2012, 11:42:02 PM
Any team news fro kilcoo?  Who is going to replace niall mcevoy? Massive loss to kilcoo. And should be on the county panel IMO

Goodluck to both teams great for down football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 02, 2012, 12:48:34 PM
Best wishes to Kilcoo and the Point today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 03, 2012, 01:42:56 AM
Apart from falling at the final hurdles again. Down football is being dragged through the gutter. Kilcoo always take low to a new level and this gutter behaviour has been prevalent in their history
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on December 03, 2012, 04:38:19 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 03, 2012, 01:42:56 AM
Apart from falling at the final hurdles again. Down football is being dragged through the gutter. Kilcoo always take low to a new level and this gutter behaviour has been prevalent in their history

Do explain please Downjim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 03, 2012, 05:39:21 PM
Watch the new tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on December 03, 2012, 06:09:01 PM
I meant what have Kilcoo previously done?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on December 03, 2012, 06:32:00 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 03, 2012, 01:42:56 AM
Apart from falling at the final hurdles again. Down football is being dragged through the gutter. Kilcoo always take low to a new level and this gutter behaviour has been prevalent in their history

You sir if I can use profanity here are nothing but a ****, you couldn't wait to stick the boot in to your fellow county people. The actions of a few were wrong but you are tarnishing a parish and community with the same brush. You should f**k off to Armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on December 03, 2012, 10:11:44 PM
I was at the game yesterday and i took a guess that is what the Kilkoo player said to Aron Cunningham,it was wrong but as Charlie Tully said you cant take the whole Kilkoo community for a very stupid incident on a football field.He tried to wind Cunningham up to try and take his mind off the game I would say that he regretted it straight after the game Crossmaglen I don't think will persue the issue but the press will add fuel to the fire
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 04, 2012, 12:23:01 AM
I have heard enough stories from kilcoo right back from when they were a force I the early century
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 04, 2012, 12:28:34 AM
By the way the silence from the kilcoo top table and our county comittee is totally embarrassing. Show some leadership please lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on December 04, 2012, 12:53:31 AM
Oh well you've heard stories, at least we know your point has now been made valid.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on December 04, 2012, 07:11:28 PM
 Downjim you still haven't explained anything.  Dry your eyes and quit raving about something you know nothing about...sour grapes I'm thinking.for someone who has dam all else to be at other that run kilcoo club into the ground is pretty sad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 04, 2012, 08:50:39 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 04, 2012, 12:28:34 AM
By the way the silence from the kilcoo top table and our county comittee is totally embarrassing. Show some leadership please lads
kilcoo came out on sunday night/monday morning with a statement saying they would fully cooperate with the Ulster council. you should really look into these things before you start posting rubbish.
What happened on sunday is a disgrace, there is no place for racism in society full stop. Said in the heat of the moment or not. throw the book at the individuals involved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on December 04, 2012, 09:41:25 PM
Snoopdog, your key word being individuals. This tarnishing the whole kilcoo team and club as racist is ridiculous. Sure I walked into work yesterday, and one of the lads, from Louth he is, says aw heres the Down racist! It was a bit of craic like I laughed it off, but I put him right. Not only was he throwing the blanket over the whole team, club, parish, but the whole county! The pictures and 'memes' on facebook are a laugh to be honest, but end of the day, it is a seious issue. But lets not kid ourselves that trash-talking is only a issue as of Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 04, 2012, 09:50:34 PM
The club players who racially abused Lee Chin in Wexford this summer got two months, so Kilcoo may argue that set a precedent.
Given that the latest incident was a provincial final, the Ulster Council could propose something longer in the event of a finding of guilt. However, as serious allegations have been made against Kilcoo supporters as well, it is possible that the whole club will face punishment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 04, 2012, 10:20:10 PM
In fairness lads Downjim is obviously a stray from Hoganstand or Bebo. Pass no remarks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on December 05, 2012, 08:56:23 AM
Word going about that Gerry Quinn  from Clonduff passed away this morning a true Gael RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 05, 2012, 09:13:12 AM
Very sad to hear about Jerry Quinn.

We had a few minor run-ins over County Board stuff from time to time, but he was a true Gael, one of those people who always put GAA first, and we were lucky to have him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 05, 2012, 10:09:13 AM
I had a lot of time for Gerry. Sad news. RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 05, 2012, 12:58:55 PM
Jerry Quinn RIP.   Always enjoyed reading his reports in Outlook.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on December 05, 2012, 02:34:20 PM
RIP Jerry. Sad news for his family club and county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on December 05, 2012, 08:11:13 PM
Shocked to hear about Jerry's death- a dedicated Gael, without ego, and a huge figure in Clonduff. I know he was so proud to lead the county for a brief period and while many other people would have thrown in the towel after his term of office finished, he remained committed. He suffered directly during the troubles but was always a calm and reassuring presence who will be missed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on December 06, 2012, 08:59:31 PM
Deepest sympathy to Jerrys wife and family,his fellow members at Clonduff and Down will remember him as a dedicated gael and tireless advocate of the association,his opinions and thoughts were much sought after by many many gaa supporters all over the county and indeed further afield-our association owes a great debt to Jerry Quinn from Hilltown-from me i have only words-Thank you Jerry Quinn many clubs in Down benefited because of your insight, knowledge and dedication to everything GAA-R.I.P.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on December 08, 2012, 04:42:24 PM
Was talking to a lad from the Abbey this evening who said that Dan Gordon has broken his foot again apparently it's the same foot he broke last year. Hope he recovers in good time big loss for the league if that's the case
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 09, 2012, 04:59:39 PM
Any word of the McKenna cup panel yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 11, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Anyone any idea who the new football U-21 management team is? Trials start this weekend but afaik there has been no official announcement regarding management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on December 11, 2012, 07:41:35 PM
As far as i know James is taking them in along with the seniors and will have a say in looking after both.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 12, 2012, 01:16:22 PM
Any word on management changes within clubs for next year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 12, 2012, 01:30:38 PM
Rumours are strong in burren that peter fitzpatrick will be announced soon. I am not.that sure on this appointment as I believe we should have went for the partner. Has fitzpatrick much credital
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on December 12, 2012, 01:58:37 PM
Damien Cassidy apparently appointed last night in Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 13, 2012, 10:18:16 AM
Haha he will have some craic reading this thread during the season if so ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 13, 2012, 10:42:41 AM
Quote from: supersub on December 12, 2012, 01:16:22 PM
Any word on management changes within clubs for next year?

Johnny McCumiskey is back with Ballymartin, Mickey Feeney is in at Clann na Banna while Mark Harte has taken over at Tullylish.

There has been a provisional panel of 20 named for Down's McKenna Cup squad. There are 6 spaces stil left to fill.

Chris Duggan (Bosco), Ryan Boyle (Warrenpoint), Ryan Kelly (Longstone), Gerard McAnulty (Liatroim) and Niall Madine (Saval) look to be the new faces involved.

The rest of the squad is made up of McVeigh, O'Hagan, Garvey, B McArdle, Carr, King, Poland, McConville, Coulter, D McCartan, McKernan, Doyle, Rooney, P Turley and D Turley.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on December 13, 2012, 11:41:24 AM
Pete McGrath will be taking U21s this year. Not sure if he will also be doing Minors
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 13, 2012, 01:56:08 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on December 13, 2012, 11:41:24 AM
Pete McGrath will be taking U21s this year. Not sure if he will also be doing Minors

Eamon Burns is U21 manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on December 14, 2012, 08:17:06 AM
I am pretty sure Pete is overseeing the U21's, but time will tell.

Anyway, So far missing from the Down panel - McComiskey, Hughes, Rogers, Gordon, O'Hare (injured?), Gough, McParland, Darragh O'Hanlon, Laverty, Maginn, A McCardle, Keith Quinn, Gerrard McCartan, Eoin McCartan, Duffin, Brannigan(s).

A much changed squad from last year although I am sure some of these lads will fill the last 6 spaces, the Kilcoo player were left off for obvious potential club commitments (sadly now not realised), some of the lads are playing for University teams. But all the same I worry about consistency and I don't see us retaining the young players that are tried each year in the McKenna cup. This seems not so much a squad development competition as an occasion to chuck in a few young lads then forget about them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 14, 2012, 03:09:14 PM
down had a few points to spare over antrim in a challenge match in mayobridge last night. the biggest talking point was probably the welcome return of paul mccomisky. other players to get a run out included ryan kelly and danny savage who scored 4 excellent points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 14, 2012, 05:32:04 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 14, 2012, 03:09:14 PM
down had a few points to spare over antrim in a challenge match in mayobridge last night. the biggest talking point was probably the welcome return of paul mccomisky. other players to get a run out included ryan kelly and danny savage who scored 4 excellent points.

Thats great news if McCommiskey is back in the fold
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 14, 2012, 09:58:16 PM
Of the players listed as missing by pauld123, four are injured, four are from Kilcoo and - particularly in the case of the Branagans -  will be taking a break, while McParland is definitely playing Sigerson and there is a fair chance that so are McArdle and Gough. McComiskey is reportedly back in the fold, which is great news, and there is a fair chance that Maginn and Duffin will also return before long. Gerard McCartan had become something of a fringe player, and it is likely that injuries have caught up with Eoin McCartan.  It would be a disappointment if Keith Quinn was not involved, but James may not have been impressed that he went travelling last summer.

It has to be expected that James asked for a further three-year term because he intends to embark on a major rebuilding programme in terms of personnel and tactics. The defeats against Donegal and Mayo in last year's championship indicated firmly that our traditional 6-2-6 formation will not allow us to compete at the highest level, so we will probably need to accept some mixed results over a prolonged period if we are ever to get to where we want to be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on December 15, 2012, 01:02:15 AM
Not much evidence of a rebuilding programme, in terms of personel. We need to be thinking more radically,e.g. giving that the long term injuries afflicting Gordon,Hughes ,Doyle and Rogers continue to persist,and with the strong possibility that we wont see much football from any of them this year, should we be including them in the panel. Looking for limited short term results, like a return to an Ulster final or survival in Div.1 sets the bar low and limits expectations. We need to build belief in our capacity to advance further, and develop young talent who will inject fresh impetus and enthusiasm. Failure to do this now will only condemn us to a slow downward spiral.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on December 15, 2012, 11:39:37 AM
In fairness I did say that there were good reasons why those players I listed weren't involved. I just listed them to highlight how much we were missing. The real point I was making was that I worry about consistency and I don't see us retaining the young players that are tried each year in the McKenna cup. This seems not so much a squad development competition as an occasion to chuck in a few young lads then forget about them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 15, 2012, 02:20:10 PM
Pangurban is right to highlight the need for some radical thinking, but it is a little early to conclude that there is not much evidence of rebuilding through the McKenna Cup. Six places have yet to be filled in our squad, and a ball has not been kicked in the competition.

It's also premature to suggest that Gordon, Hughes, Doyle and Rogers have long-term injuries and there is a `strong possibility' that we won't see much of them this year. Doyle has been very unfortunate over recent years but has worked extremely hard to regain his fitness and is actually in the McKenna squad. Gordon has broken his foot again, which he previously did last spring and went on to make a full recovery in two to three months. Hughes has dodgy hamstrings but most people expect to see him back at some stage of the league. Rogers is apparently having surgery, which is always hard to predict, but again it is a bit soon to be writing him off for the season.

The idea that surviving in division one and reaching an Ulster final is setting the bar too low is also questionable. Both of these are targets on the road to further progress, but staying in the top league while putting together a new team would be quite an achievement. To get to an Ulster final, we will have win in Derry and then beat the winners of Donegal and Tyrone. The bookies will say that we are at most the fourth ranked side in the province, but we can only give it our best shot. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 15, 2012, 02:43:34 PM
I think if down stayed in division one it would be a great achievement this year. I cant see us making an ulster final though I hope im wrong. Id like to see Duggan get a proper chance he could be a player that might make a contribution to the panel, Ryan Kelly and Conor Poland have always impressed me the few times ive seen them play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on December 16, 2012, 06:54:01 PM
Th problem with Rogers having surgery is not the surgery itself. There is no reason to think that it shouldn't be successful and leave normal recovery times as an expectation. However surgery carries significantly increased risk of infection and unlike most of the rest of us that is a huge problem for Ambrose as he doesn't have a spleen. If he gets an infection there is simply no time limit on his recovery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on December 17, 2012, 06:34:32 PM
Quote from: downup on December 12, 2012, 01:58:37 PM
Damien Cassidy apparently appointed last night in Burren

It going to be a Dublin man that has spent quite a bit of time in London this year.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on December 18, 2012, 11:18:20 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on December 17, 2012, 06:34:32 PM
Quote from: downup on December 12, 2012, 01:58:37 PM
Damien Cassidy apparently appointed last night in Burren

It going to be a Dublin man that has spent quite a bit of time in London this year.....

Has anything been announced yet on this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: citykid5 on December 19, 2012, 09:07:19 AM
Paddy clarke is his name. Good man only after taking tir connall gaels in london.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on December 19, 2012, 10:49:03 AM
Paddy Carr
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on December 19, 2012, 12:19:36 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on December 19, 2012, 10:49:03 AM
Paddy Carr

Ha ha ha
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: citykid5 on December 19, 2012, 05:25:50 PM
lol, jasus thats a close realitive. yes carr.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: leftfooter on December 19, 2012, 09:22:27 PM
Paddy Power :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 20, 2012, 09:03:37 PM
Jim McCorry was best manager for Mayobridge and the Bridge should have kept him.

Kilcoo done very well with McCorry on sideline.

Now Burren is looking for??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 21, 2012, 12:42:14 AM
Quote from: umpire on December 20, 2012, 09:03:37 PM
Jim McCorry was best manager for Mayobridge and the Bridge should have kept him.

Kilcoo done very well with McCorry on sideline.

Now Burren is looking for??

Burren have been sourcing Mc Corry since before the county final this year.  There are conflicting stories around what he is doing though.  Some reckon he is staying and some say he will go as he has taken Kilcoo as far as he can..  This would be a major coup for Burren if they could pull it outta the bag though...  Any other movement on the management front??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 21, 2012, 08:51:09 AM
Quote from: alba2 on December 21, 2012, 12:42:14 AM
Quote from: umpire on December 20, 2012, 09:03:37 PM
Jim McCorry was best manager for Mayobridge and the Bridge should have kept him.

Kilcoo done very well with McCorry on sideline.

Now Burren is looking for??

Burren have been sourcing Mc Corry since before the county final this year.  There are conflicting stories around what he is doing though.  Some reckon he is staying and some say he will go as he has taken Kilcoo as far as he can..  This would be a major coup for Burren if they could pull it outta the bag though...  Any other movement on the management front??

I dare say that unless Crossmaglen get closed down, then Mccorry has taken Kilcoo as far as any Down club team will go in the next few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on December 29, 2012, 06:22:41 PM
Down 0-8 Meath 1-04 halftime in newry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 29, 2012, 09:28:29 PM
Anybody make it too the challenge game today? Who played well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on December 29, 2012, 10:23:13 PM
Was down at the game tonight on a bitter evening.A poor enough crowd there but for all that £1500 was raised as well as some euros.A poor enough game which is to be expected at this time of the year and with nothing at stake. New lads playing were D mc kibben at chb who put in a good shift and at least knows to cover back in the centre ,C Duggan at mid field who tried hard but looked of the pace but that is to be expected also.G Mc Anulty was wing half forward and tried hard but looked exhausted at times when running back ,R Kelly and P Mc Comiskey played in the full forward line with Arthur Mc Comiskey did a lot of work and also an awful amount of tracking back which can't be said of A Carr who once the man passed him by just gave up the ghost.One lad that was very impressive was Danny Savage who looked very lively going forward and hit 3 great long range point one of which was a free.He always seemed to want the ball and worked well linking the play.At stages tonight we continued to kick big high ball into 1 forward Mc Comiskey with 2 to 3 men around him .We seemed to have trouble getting men forward as they all were back defending.This did change in the 2nd half when both C Harrison and A Burns played close to the square and were and outlet for a big ball in.Two very soft goals by silly mistakes in the defence were yet again the problem for us even when we have 10 men behind the ball these mistakes keep re occurring .I think myself and I don't like criticising the fella but our goalkeeper is a major problem in putting a suspect defence under more pressure.He dropped numerous high balls tonight one of which he then collided with the post .His kick outs were the same as normal right down the middle when we had men making runs for him he looked like he wasn't confident hitting a quick one .For all that it's good to get back running again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on December 29, 2012, 10:55:44 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on December 29, 2012, 10:23:13 PM
Was down at the game tonight on a bitter evening.A poor enough crowd there but for all that £1500 was raised as well as some euros.A poor enough game which is to be expected at this time of the year and with nothing at stake. New lads playing were D mc kibben at chb who put in a good shift and at least knows to cover back in the centre ,C Duggan at mid field who tried hard but looked of the pace but that is to be expected also.G Mc Anulty was wing half forward and tried hard but looked exhausted at times when running back ,R Kelly and P Mc Comiskey played in the full forward line with Arthur Mc Comiskey did a lot of work and also an awful amount of tracking back which can't be said of A Carr who once the man passed him by just gave up the ghost.One lad that was very impressive was Danny Savage who looked very lively going forward and hit 3 great long range point one of which was a free.He always seemed to want the ball and worked well linking the play.At stages tonight we continued to kick big high ball into 1 forward Mc Comiskey with 2 to 3 men around him .We seemed to have trouble getting men forward as they all were back defending.This did change in the 2nd half when both C Harrison and A Burns played close to the square and were and outlet for a big ball in.Two very soft goals by silly mistakes in the defence were yet again the problem for us even when we have 10 men behind the ball these mistakes keep re occurring .I think myself and I don't like criticising the fella but our goalkeeper is a major problem in putting a suspect defence under more pressure.He dropped numerous high balls tonight one of which he then collided with the post .His kick outs were the same as normal right down the middle when we had men making runs for him he looked like he wasn't confident hitting a quick one .For all that it's good to get back running again

what was the score?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on December 29, 2012, 11:24:51 PM
finished Down 1-09 Meath 2-06
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on December 30, 2012, 03:40:36 AM
Fair analysis NP 76. I didnt get to the game but I hear it was a great run out for the younger members of our potential McKenna Cup squad. Glad to hear Danny Savage had a good game. Great talent and a great prospect for us in the future!
Looking forward to a positive McKenna Cup with the Bridge and "hopefully"
Magpie lads coming in to strengthen a depleted squad.
Brady and Quinn are a certain with O'Hanlon, Johnstons Bros & Paul Devlin could feature also to improve our McKenna Cup options. Also Stevey Kane should def get a shout for goals as he's a great talent who should get his chance before being snapped up from the Irish league like Niall Morgan and Johnny Curran in Tyrone. Although young Harrison is also a great talent!
Fingers crossed we give as Many opportunities as possible to new players In the McKenna Cup as possible!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 30, 2012, 03:54:43 PM
Entertaining enough game. Was good to see us adopting a long kick policy at times. There were a lot of new faces on show. Danny Savage probably looked the most capable out of the bunch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 31, 2012, 12:31:17 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 30, 2012, 03:54:43 PM
Entertaining enough game. Was good to see us adopting a long kick policy at times. There were a lot of new faces on show. Danny Savage probably looked the most capable out of the bunch.

Were you at the game???? B Mc Veigh, D Mc Cartan, D Turley, B Mc Ardle, C Garvey, D Mc Kibbin, P Turley, K King, C Duggan, D Savage, A Carr, G Mc Anulty, P Mc Comiskey, A Mc Conville, R Kelly.... the only new ones in that group of 15 is Savage, Duggan, Kelly and Mc Anulty.  the others have all played intercounty football at senior level before in league/championship or friendly games. Then they bring on Mc Kernan, Rooney, Harrison, Boyle and some wee slight fella from Bosco of which the latter two are only newbies.  Is there no other talent out there in this county that we can put into a friendly game against Meath who were missing their DCU contingent amongst others??? If we keep going back to the same old - we are going to always get the same old results.  And another thing - long kick policy - i was so frustrated watching this game and i seriously hope this is not how down are intending to play this season.  they went back and forward across the pitch with 5 yard fist passing and looking for that killer ball to be threaded through to a forward line that was swamped with meath players.  the odd time they played the ball first time and direct it was a game of 2 v 2 in the down fulforward line with every other down player behind the midfield line.  Damn you Donegal for ruining our game - effective or not - DAMN YOU.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 31, 2012, 10:51:35 AM
Alba2, it sounds like you want to see new faces for the sake of it.

What's the point in putting a team out with 10 "new faces" in it? The whole point of friendlies and early season matches is to blend new players and new positions into what's there already. There is no way in this world you can get a group of players to behave as a team unless there's continuity.

Ross and DJ tried it your way. It was a waste of time for everyone involved.

DOWN TEAM VS SLIGO IN PADDY O'ROURKE'S LAST MATCH (Jun 2006)
B McVeigh; M Cole, B Grant, A Molloy; P Murphy, D Rafferty, A Scullion; A Rogers, D Gordon; M Doran, L Doyle 0-1, R Murtagh; R Sexton, B Coulter, D Hughes 0-2. Subs: A Brannigan for Cole 7, Cole for Brannigan 10, M Poland for Sexton 40, A Carr 0-1 for Hughes 58, J Colgan for Murtagh 62, C Laverty for Doran 68.


DOWN TEAM VS ANTRIM IN ROSS CARR'S FIRST COMPETITIVE MATCH (Jan 2007)
B Connell; S Toner, D Cunningham, R McArdle; K McGuigan, J Lynch, D Rooney; P Telford, P Turley (Downpatrick); K Gracey, B McGourty, S Kearney; B Loughran, F McGreevy, C Gribben. Subs: E Henry for P Turley (Downpatrick); P Matthews for R McArdle; A Burns for S Kearney; P Turley (Saval) for J Lynch; B Sweeney for C Gribben.


DOWN TEAM VS CAVAN IN ROSS CARR'S FIRST CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH (May 2007)
M McVeigh; D McCartan, D Rooney, K McGuigan; R Murtagh 0-2, B Grant, J Clarke; D Gordan 0-1, J Lynch; J McGovern 0-1, A Carr, R Sexton 2-0; D Hughes, P Downey, B Coulter 1-1. Subs: M Cole 0-2 for Clarke (19 mins), S Kearney for McGovern (48), P Murphy for Lynch (52), P McComiskey 0-1 for Hughes (60).

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 31, 2012, 01:54:58 PM
I dont want to see new faces for the sake of it no - but surely a 10 (established) - 5 (new) scenario on a starting team would have been good and then replace those 5 with another 5 - that way we have seen 10 new faces and ten of the old guard on show.  the players get a chance to play alongside established players as well as show what they can do.  adopt this in friendly games and mc kenna cup and all of a sudden you have players whoo have now played a good few half games ready to step up to the plate for 50 mins in league.  Its difficult to expect new lads to play the full 70+ mins in the league right from the off...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 31, 2012, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: alba2 on December 31, 2012, 12:31:17 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 30, 2012, 03:54:43 PM
Entertaining enough game. Was good to see us adopting a long kick policy at times. There were a lot of new faces on show. Danny Savage probably looked the most capable out of the bunch.

Were you at the game???? B Mc Veigh, D Mc Cartan, D Turley, B Mc Ardle, C Garvey, D Mc Kibbin, P Turley, K King, C Duggan, D Savage, A Carr, G Mc Anulty, P Mc Comiskey, A Mc Conville, R Kelly.... the only new ones in that group of 15 is Savage, Duggan, Kelly and Mc Anulty.  the others have all played intercounty football at senior level before in league/championship or friendly games. Then they bring on Mc Kernan, Rooney, Harrison, Boyle and some wee slight fella from Bosco of which the latter two are only newbies.  Is there no other talent out there in this county that we can put into a friendly game against Meath who were missing their DCU contingent amongst others??? If we keep going back to the same old - we are going to always get the same old results.  And another thing - long kick policy - i was so frustrated watching this game and i seriously hope this is not how down are intending to play this season.  they went back and forward across the pitch with 5 yard fist passing and looking for that killer ball to be threaded through to a forward line that was swamped with meath players.  the odd time they played the ball first time and direct it was a game of 2 v 2 in the down fulforward line with every other down player behind the midfield line.  Damn you Donegal for ruining our game - effective or not - DAMN YOU.......

David McKibbin, Chris Duggan, Danny Savage, Gerard McAnulty, Connaire Harrison, Ryan Kelly, Ryan Boyle and Paul McKeown would all be considered new faces. That makes eight new faces out of a panel of twenty which is near half the team. So I'd say that I was fairly accurate in pointing out that there were a lot of new faces involved.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on December 31, 2012, 05:14:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 31, 2012, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: alba2 on December 31, 2012, 12:31:17 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 30, 2012, 03:54:43 PM
Entertaining enough game. Was good to see us adopting a long kick policy at times. There were a lot of new faces on show. Danny Savage probably looked the most capable out of the bunch.

Were you at the game???? B Mc Veigh, D Mc Cartan, D Turley, B Mc Ardle, C Garvey, D Mc Kibbin, P Turley, K King, C Duggan, D Savage, A Carr, G Mc Anulty, P Mc Comiskey, A Mc Conville, R Kelly.... the only new ones in that group of 15 is Savage, Duggan, Kelly and Mc Anulty.  the others have all played intercounty football at senior level before in league/championship or friendly games. Then they bring on Mc Kernan, Rooney, Harrison, Boyle and some wee slight fella from Bosco of which the latter two are only newbies.  Is there no other talent out there in this county that we can put into a friendly game against Meath who were missing their DCU contingent amongst others??? If we keep going back to the same old - we are going to always get the same old results.  And another thing - long kick policy - i was so frustrated watching this game and i seriously hope this is not how down are intending to play this season.  they went back and forward across the pitch with 5 yard fist passing and looking for that killer ball to be threaded through to a forward line that was swamped with meath players.  the odd time they played the ball first time and direct it was a game of 2 v 2 in the down fulforward line with every other down player behind the midfield line.  Damn you Donegal for ruining our game - effective or not - DAMN YOU.......

David McKibbin, Chris Duggan, Danny Savage, Gerard McAnulty, Connaire Harrison, Ryan Kelly, Ryan Boyle and Paul McKeown would all be considered new faces. That makes eight new faces out of a panel of twenty which is near half the team. So I'd say that I was fairly accurate in pointing out that there were a lot of new faces involved.

those in bold have played for the seniors before so not considered new faces..... thats 5 outta 20...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on December 31, 2012, 05:46:33 PM
Folks, just looking for some information here - Back in the 60's I went to Violet Hill with a couple of McKibbens who transferred to Downpatrick as they were from about there - Might there be a connection with the McKibbens on the current panel? - Happy New Year to all Down supporters and may 2013 be a repeat of 60, 61, 68, 91, 94 and 10, (even though we didn't win  in 2010 there was wild excitement about that team and we were only one kick of the ball away from a draw or a possible win) - Up Down!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 31, 2012, 08:46:30 PM
What club is Paul Mc Keown with?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 31, 2012, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: alba2 on December 31, 2012, 05:14:53 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 31, 2012, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: alba2 on December 31, 2012, 12:31:17 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on December 30, 2012, 03:54:43 PM
Entertaining enough game. Was good to see us adopting a long kick policy at times. There were a lot of new faces on show. Danny Savage probably looked the most capable out of the bunch.

Were you at the game???? B Mc Veigh, D Mc Cartan, D Turley, B Mc Ardle, C Garvey, D Mc Kibbin, P Turley, K King, C Duggan, D Savage, A Carr, G Mc Anulty, P Mc Comiskey, A Mc Conville, R Kelly.... the only new ones in that group of 15 is Savage, Duggan, Kelly and Mc Anulty.  the others have all played intercounty football at senior level before in league/championship or friendly games. Then they bring on Mc Kernan, Rooney, Harrison, Boyle and some wee slight fella from Bosco of which the latter two are only newbies.  Is there no other talent out there in this county that we can put into a friendly game against Meath who were missing their DCU contingent amongst others??? If we keep going back to the same old - we are going to always get the same old results.  And another thing - long kick policy - i was so frustrated watching this game and i seriously hope this is not how down are intending to play this season.  they went back and forward across the pitch with 5 yard fist passing and looking for that killer ball to be threaded through to a forward line that was swamped with meath players.  the odd time they played the ball first time and direct it was a game of 2 v 2 in the down fulforward line with every other down player behind the midfield line.  Damn you Donegal for ruining our game - effective or not - DAMN YOU.......

David McKibbin, Chris Duggan, Danny Savage, Gerard McAnulty, Connaire Harrison, Ryan Kelly, Ryan Boyle and Paul McKeown would all be considered new faces. That makes eight new faces out of a panel of twenty which is near half the team. So I'd say that I was fairly accurate in pointing out that there were a lot of new faces involved.

those in bold have played for the seniors before so not considered new faces..... thats 5 outta 20...

When did any of those three play for Down before? Not saying you're wrong, but I can't remember any appearances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 01, 2013, 01:29:35 AM
Both mc kibben and mc Anulty played before as memory serves me right .Mc Anulty was on the panel in 2010 . Harrison may not of played but was on the panel last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 04, 2013, 11:37:32 AM
Any word of a new sponsor for Down??
Or will it be like last year force the Canal Court to give a nominal amount for a name on the jersey.
How are Down Cork and Kildare struggling for sponsorship, i know we are in a recession but they must be looking for a crazy amount if no one has taken up the oppurtunity to put their name on a Div 1 team jersey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 06, 2013, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 04, 2013, 11:37:32 AM
Any word of a new sponsor for Down??
Or will it be like last year force the Canal Court to give a nominal amount for a name on the jersey.
How are Down Cork and Kildare struggling for sponsorship, i know we are in a recession but they must be looking for a crazy amount if no one has taken up the oppurtunity to put their name on a Div 1 team jersey

Do we have a commercial unit or business associates dealng with this sort of thing or is it down to a group of well-meaning but non-business county committee guys?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 06, 2013, 12:12:51 AM
Quote from: Leo on January 06, 2013, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 04, 2013, 11:37:32 AM
Any word of a new sponsor for Down??
Or will it be like last year force the Canal Court to give a nominal amount for a name on the jersey.
How are Down Cork and Kildare struggling for sponsorship, i know we are in a recession but they must be looking for a crazy amount if no one has taken up the oppurtunity to put their name on a Div 1 team jersey

Do we have a commercial unit or business associates dealng with this sort of thing or is it down to a group of well-meaning but non-business county committee guys?

I know for a fact big Fergie's involved. That's as commercial or business focussed as you want.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 06, 2013, 12:56:08 PM
No better man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 06, 2013, 01:56:16 PM
According to the Down GAA Twitter, the team for Cavan is M Cunningham D Mc Cartan B Mc Ardle R Boyle D O Hagan G McNulty C Garvey K King K McKernan R Turley A Carr D Savage C Harrison P Turley Mc Comiskey. It's due to be live on Destination Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 06, 2013, 02:47:58 PM
HT Cavan 0-8 Down 1-5. We got off to a decent start and McComiskey got a goal with our first real attack. Savage looks the part and Harrison got a fine point. However, we seem to have lost our way at midfield and the momentum was all with Cavan coming up to the break,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on January 06, 2013, 03:18:51 PM
Does anybody know who is supposed to be marking cavans corner forward Dunne?..hes scored 3-4 of his 7-8 point haul without a defender in sight!!!...is Boyle or McCartan on him?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 06, 2013, 03:37:36 PM
Workmanlike effort today against Cavan. Not a bad game to watch. Down eeked it out for most of the 2nd half. Ryan Kelly was the standout performer on the Down team for me on a day when there were no real stars. Young Michael Cunningham on his debut in goals done rightly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 06, 2013, 03:47:27 PM
It was a good result from a patchy enough performance. There's a fair amount of work to be done on both fitness and tactics, but it is clear that we are going to keep plenty of bodies back and the days of man to man marking are over.

Neither Boyle nor McCartan could handle the Cavan corner forward Dunne, who must have got about nine points, but the overall defensive display was not bad and the new keeper, Cunningham, did particularly well.

Midfield was a struggle, with both King and McKernan booked, but the attack produced some decent flashes and the younger faces showed plenty of pace.

The Armagh game on Wednesday week effectively becomes a quarter final and should tell us much more about our prospects.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 06, 2013, 09:24:28 PM
Anybody know if Phillip Bonny or Keith Quinn are invloved in the panel this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on January 07, 2013, 11:42:27 AM
Few points on yesterdays McKenna Cup opener V Cavan:

- Thought Michael Cunningham in nets had a very good debut. Had a fair bit to deal with in regards long-range shots dropping short and the one v one which he tipped onto the crossbar. His booming kickouts are also an asset although we didnt see much variation with regards playing short kickouts. His 45' effort at the end will have disappointed him but the fact that he was called upon to hit it must mean that he has demonstrated his ability to hit them.

-  Full Back Line was a mixed bag. Ryan Boyle burst forward repeatedly in the first 20 minutes and supported the play well. He also registered a good point. Dan Mccartan was switched onto Dunne but was unable to get close to him either. However, he used his strength to good effect a few times when coming out with the ball. Brendan Mccardle looked assured and purposeful when striding forward.

- Half Back Line was alright. Gerard McAnulty didnt offer much other than a lot of sideways hand-passing (perhaps the movement wasnt there from the forwards). Darren O Hagan was tenacious and played some good accurate balls forward. Not Sure what happened Garvey that he had to be replaced in the first 10mins.

- Kalum lost his battle with the impressive McKiernon but the gametime will do him good. Mckernan fielded a few nice catches before dropping them in the slippery conditions and will again improve.

- Danny Savage would not have been suited by the heavy ground conditions and the referee (who i felt let a lot go unpunished) and although tried hard not much came off for him. Aidan Carr supplied some good ammunition for the inside forward line but his work rate remains questionable. Great to see McComiskey back and he showed some of his star quality with a well timed run and well-taken finish for his goal. His work-rate is excellent and he will get better with games. He looks hungry.

- Ryan Kelly was Down's best player I felt and won any ball played to him before using it wisely. Connaire Harrison. Peter Turley used himself as a battering ram around the middle making his presence felt.

Subs included Benny Coulter who did well and must be keen to get a bit of gametime before national league, Conor Laverty who injected a bit of life into the forward line, Liam Doyle who gracefully stroked over some lovely scores and Owen Costello who looked tenacious and tough-tackling.

All in all a decent work-out. Down looked a deal more direct than Cavan when going forward and thus looked more dangerous.  However, they lost the midfield battle and the full back line was cleaned out. Sound familiar?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 07, 2013, 06:22:20 PM
Dan McCartan started on Dunne and conceded 7 points from play to him. Boyle was never on him. Dan McCartan and King need to be forgot about if we have any serious ambitions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on January 07, 2013, 07:12:40 PM
You are  unfair there.
The guy is a brother of the manager.He hasn't had too many chances over the years and go easy on him .It is the first time anyone has ever had the better of him............blah blah .Catch a grip !!!
January football and all that !Is this going to be a taste of what is to come ...
This joke actually is getting to be unreal .Does anyone actually challenge management on this ,or are those guys really just happy to be in the big picture and yes men .



                                   the gael takes no prisoners !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 07, 2013, 07:24:25 PM
You are 100% right mdg. I remember reading Mickey Hartes book and he was explaining how Dublin exposed Gavin Devlin. He was a key player for tyrone playing a sweeper role but the dubs moved Alan Brogan on him and his pace troubled Devlin, Harte realised straight away Devlin was finished at inter county level he had been found out. I think something similar has happened with King, in his first couple of seasons his physicality, ball winning ability, dispossessing players etc was key in Downs success but opposition managers have exposed his weaknesses in recent years, regarding his mobility for one and opposition players to a large extent, avoid going into contact with him prefering to lay off or kick pass rather than let him smother them up which for a couple of seasons he excelled at.
Id like to see Duggan from Bosco given a chance, I feel he might have something to offer and no better time to give him a go than the mckenna cup against armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on January 07, 2013, 09:02:23 PM
Quote from: ardtole on January 07, 2013, 07:24:25 PM
You are 100% right mdg. I remember reading Mickey Hartes book and he was explaining how Dublin exposed Gavin Devlin. He was a key player for tyrone playing a sweeper role but the dubs moved Alan Brogan on him and his pace troubled Devlin, Harte realised straight away Devlin was finished at inter county level he had been found out. I think something similar has happened with King, in his first couple of seasons his physicality, ball winning ability, dispossessing players etc was key in Downs success but opposition managers have exposed his weaknesses in recent years, regarding his mobility for one and opposition players to a large extent, avoid going into contact with him prefering to lay off or kick pass rather than let him smother them up which for a couple of seasons he excelled at.
Id like to see Duggan from Bosco given a chance, I feel he might have something to offer and no better time to give him a go than the mckenna cup against armagh.

Conor Gough??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 07, 2013, 10:24:19 PM
Dan McCartan did not mark Dunne for the entire game but certainly struggled against him for long periods. However, we hardly have enough strength in depth at the back to drop someone of McCartan's experience from the squad at this stage of the season.  While there is no doubt that Kallum King lacks pace, he is still a considerable asset when it comes to winning possession and laying off a simple pass. We should clearly try at least one new midfielder against Armagh, but it is also far too early to be writing off King. Conor Gough is tall with a good pair of hands, but he would need to fill out considerably before he could be regarded as a serious option.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 07, 2013, 10:37:26 PM
i woudnt rule king out entirely, I just dont think he is as influential as he was a few years ago. Id agree Gough has an awful lot to do before he is ready for inter county football as well. If Ambrose is out long term and Dan Gordon is still going to be picked at full back we dont have a whole lot of options.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on January 08, 2013, 08:01:24 AM
I am lead to believe Niall mcaleenan has been appointed as Castlewellan manager? I think thats a great coup by the town if this is correct. A young keen manager who would be up to date on current training methods and who would also have his dad Barney to bounce ideas off! Can anyone confirm this?

Regarding the Cavan match... It's very hard to judge a team in those conditions but about from the dunne lad I think we can b happy with the overall performance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fíor Gael on January 08, 2013, 10:24:06 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 08, 2013, 09:56:38 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/20943879?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

I see the 2 Brannigans have had their bans reduced. Complete joke!! Must be 2 bright boys.  ::)

It's a joke that they ever got suspended in the first place. Anyone who knows Daryl Brannigan will know that he rarely opens his mouth on the field never mind giving anyone abuse. And there is no evidence whatsoever against Aidan except for the word of another player. If county boards or the ulster council are to start giving out suspensions on the word of one player against another it'll never stop, 'he called me names'. Trial by media, jumped all over by the BBC and UTV.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 08, 2013, 10:33:00 AM
Ulster council really stood up to racism there i see. Joke.  Parents must be proud, i wouldnt have Brannigan in a Down jersey again after this.  Down should make a stand if Ulster arent man enough to do it. just my oprinion as i wasnt at match but i believe from reports that the crowd knew it was going on so its hard to say it was one persons word against another.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 08, 2013, 01:40:15 PM
Quote from: Fíor Gael on January 08, 2013, 10:24:06 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 08, 2013, 09:56:38 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/20943879?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

I see the 2 Brannigans have had their bans reduced. Complete joke!! Must be 2 bright boys.  ::)

It's a joke that they ever got suspended in the first place. Anyone who knows Daryl Brannigan will know that he rarely opens his mouth on the field never mind giving anyone abuse. And there is no evidence whatsoever against Aidan except for the word of another player. If county boards or the ulster council are to start giving out suspensions on the word of one player against another it'll never stop, 'he called me names'. Trial by media, jumped all over by the BBC and UTV.

'He called me names'..  Are you serious? Do you think the lad would make up something so serious and detrimental to another individual? Catch yourself on. Much more than name calling here. Cross swept them aside, do you think he would bothered making a deal out of it if there wasn't something in it? Anyone who knows Aaron Cunningham will know that he is a gentleman and would never seek limelight or controversy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 08, 2013, 01:41:14 PM
Are the fixtures for the club leagues released?? Heard someone mentioning them earlier???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 08, 2013, 04:11:45 PM
Quote from: alba2 on January 08, 2013, 01:41:14 PM
Are the fixtures for the club leagues released?? Heard someone mentioning them earlier???

http://people.gaa.ie/club/down/# (http://people.gaa.ie/club/down/#)

click on link above and go to down - football - fixtures - senior - acfl - 1,2 or 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 08, 2013, 04:12:54 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on January 08, 2013, 04:11:45 PM
Quote from: alba2 on January 08, 2013, 01:41:14 PM
Are the fixtures for the club leagues released?? Heard someone mentioning them earlier???

http://people.gaa.ie/club/down/# (http://people.gaa.ie/club/down/#)

click on link above and go to down - football - fixtures - senior - acfl - 1,2 or 3

Oh and it can take a minute or two for the site to come up properly so be patient!!
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Post by: The Raven on January 08, 2013, 08:12:13 PM
Does anyone know where the Down website has gone?. When I click on www.downgaa.net it takes you to the 2010 old website. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on January 08, 2013, 09:49:53 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 07, 2013, 10:24:19 PM
Dan McCartan did not mark Dunne for the entire game but certainly struggled against him for long periods. However, we hardly have enough strength in depth at the back to drop someone of McCartan's experience from the squad at this stage of the season.  While there is no doubt that Kallum King lacks pace, he is still a considerable asset when it comes to winning possession and laying off a simple pass. We should clearly try at least one new midfielder against Armagh, but it is also far too early to be writing off King. Conor Gough is tall with a good pair of hands, but he would need to fill out considerably before he could be regarded as a serious option.

Would Niall Branagan not be a better shout than Dan McCartan?  Keeping Jamie Clarke scoreless in Ulster club final must be worth a try.  I'd safely say any forward in Div one would rather be marked by Dan that have Niall sticking to him like clue for 60 mins!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 08, 2013, 11:13:54 PM
Niall Branagan is definitely worth a run of games. He is a tight marker with great pace, even if he is on the small side, and we should be looking at all the available options during the league. However, when the championship squad is named, it will be doubtful if we have 12 defenders better than Dan McCartan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on January 08, 2013, 11:23:28 PM
He may be a sticky marker at club level but his ball handling is not good enough.  His younger brother Darryl looks a better all-round player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 08, 2013, 11:46:56 PM
I agree wild rover Daryl is the pick of the 3 brothers can man mark and play ball.He has also bulked up well from his college days.By the look of the lads that were there on Sunday we don't have many options in defence with Costello and Rooney the only defenders on the subs.Costello didn't do himself any harm when he came on but a man at the game told me he is carrying an injury.So really is any of them 2 options better than Dan .A more worrying aspect for me on Sunday was the taking off of A Carr. A great option going forward can break the tackle and deliver good quality ball in BUT he just refuses to work .Once again when we lost possession he jus stood with his hands on his hips.I counted 4/5times James had to shout at him to get back. He was only off the pitch when he started stretching to go back on.  We weren't winning midfield yet we put back on a man who was already on the field when we had 2 big lads in Duggan and Madine on the line as well as Rooney who plays mid field for his club were none of these worth a try. I actually thought Mc Anulty did well at chb he didn't do nothing fancy but when we lost possession he automatically retreated back into the D to protect the defence. This is something we have been lacking of late but he really needs to bulk up.Savage did very good as did Kelly. Would like to see Kelly in the same forward line with Donal O Hare 2 lively forwards. Would also like to see Gough get a run at mid field but he is injuries at the minute also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on January 09, 2013, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 07, 2013, 10:24:19 PM
Dan McCartan did not mark Dunne for the entire game but certainly struggled against him for long
Would Niall Branagan not be a better shout than Dan McCartan?  Keeping Jamie Clarke scoreless in Ulster club final must be worth a try.  I'd safely say any forward in Div one would rather be marked by Dan that have Niall sticking to him like clue for 60 mins!!

I wish yous would get over the fact that Jamie clark didnt score in the Ulster final.  thats the mentality of down folk.  Jamie clark doesn give one s**t if he scores as long as cross win.  In 5, 10, 20 years time the only thing that is written in the history books of the Ulster club series is that crossmaglen won it in 2012 and that jamie Clarke was part of that team.  Nothing else matters.  jamie will and has sacrificed himself in countless games for club and county for the good of the TEAM - thats what makes him so special.  Niall Brannigan is not good enough nor is aidan for intercounty level football - that lad daryl may in time develop further - but not now.  Until the university competition is over we really wont see the full deck of down panel this year.  that lad Rhino from the point is a good un and may slot into the defence somewhere but is playing uni at minute.  Others in same situation too.  Gerard Mc Cartan is a better footballer than Dan - but he aint on the panel - why tho??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turkey+ham on January 11, 2013, 10:23:23 AM
Well the fixtures are out. Some very strange outcomes in Div2. Only one round of games which is strange to see for the first time. Some teams have more home fixtures than others and it seems after having a quick glance that the south down teams have less long journeys than the east down teams. Anyone else notice this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 11, 2013, 10:35:19 AM
Was always going to be only one round...30 league games would be a long long season!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turkey+ham on January 11, 2013, 10:48:26 AM
I know there was only one round anyways, but still strange to see for the first time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on January 11, 2013, 12:07:02 PM
anyone know how relegation promotion is going to work this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on January 11, 2013, 07:10:50 PM
9 out of 16 clubs in Div 2 from South Down so you would expect less travelling for those clubs.

Anyone got the full list of fixtures that they can post up here as they seem to be gone from the Down website
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 11, 2013, 08:58:11 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on January 11, 2013, 12:07:02 PM
anyone know how relegation promotion is going to work this year

Bottom two go down, top two go up. Third from bottom then plays third from top with winner retaining/gaining place in the higher division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on January 11, 2013, 09:12:21 PM
anyone got any predictions as to who will go up and go down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on January 12, 2013, 12:13:21 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 11, 2013, 08:58:11 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on January 11, 2013, 12:07:02 PM
anyone know how relegation promotion is going to work this year

Bottom two go down, top two go up. Third from bottom then plays third from top with winner retaining/gaining place in the higher division.

Is this accurate DF? What happens the winner of the intermediate champ surely they have to go up too if the divisions are 1 for senior, two for intermediate and 3 for junior?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on January 14, 2013, 02:49:45 PM
Can season tickets be used for the McKenna Cup, or is it just league and champonship? Cheers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 14, 2013, 02:57:35 PM
Canal Court signed up with Down for another couple of years. New jersey before league starts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 14, 2013, 03:28:46 PM
Southdown the season tickets only can be used for the league and the championship. I am glad to see the Canal Court staying on for another term as sponsors. They have been very loyal to Down over the years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 15, 2013, 02:24:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on January 11, 2013, 09:12:21 PM
anyone got any predictions as to who will go up and go down

In Division 1, relegation will be between the 6 teams who got promoted. No big surprise there. Who it will be out of those 6 really depends on the start they get to the year. 
Rostrevor, Liatrom, Loughinisland and Warrenpoint should be best placed to stay up. The first 3 because of their recent experience in Division 1 and the Point because there is no doubt they are an emerging team.  That leaves An Riocht and Annaclone. By all accounts, An Riocht have not seen any of their foreign legion returning so it will hard for them to survive the full season on a small squad, and Annaclone just because they havent got the experience although they do have plenty of spirit which will help them no end.

League winners will be between Burren, Kilcoo and Mayobridge.  They are the 3 most consistent teams in the County and the winners should emerge here.

Bryansford, extremely talented, extremely inconsistent in league format so wont challenge for league.
Clonduff and Longstone, something similar although not quite as good as the Ford.

Saval, Ballyholland, Castlewellan and Downpatrick will be happy to stay out the relegation battle and should have enough to do just that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 16, 2013, 10:22:39 AM
I think you are being harsh on Bryansford's chances. As there is a play-off for league champion I think they deserve to be rated along with Burren, the Bridge and Kilcoo as potential winners.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: citykid5 on January 16, 2013, 10:37:33 AM
I wud totally agree with you there pauld. They are a great young outfit, just look at the four subs they used in the county semi last year. And remember Burren have new management in Carr and the bridge in Woods, laverty and walsh. How long will it take for them to settle in, ot will they at all. Mcgrath is proven and maybe there u21 success will propelll them to senior success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 16, 2013, 10:41:17 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on January 16, 2013, 10:22:39 AM
I think you are being harsh on Bryansford's chances. As there is a play-off for league champion I think they deserve to be rated along with Burren, the Bridge and Kilcoo as potential winners.

I agree that Bryansford are one of the top teams, no question, and they will most certainly challenge for championship honours, I just think history shows that they dont take the league that seriously, therefore I dont think they will be in the running for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 16, 2013, 10:52:03 AM
2013 Managers

Division 1

Burren - Paddy Carr
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Saval - Darren Quinn
Longstone - Greg McCartan
Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Downpatrick - Paul Lambe
Rostrevor - Gerard Colgan
An Riocht -
Annaclone - John Morgan
Loughinisland - Kyran Smyth
Liatroim - Paddy O'Higgins
Mayobridge - Mickey Walsh/Eoghan Woods/Colin Laverty
Clonduff - Paul McShane/Tony Wilson
Castlewellan -
Warrenpoint - Conor Tinnelly

Division 2

Shamrocks - Mickey Linden
Saul - PJ Magee
Bredagh - Eunan Conway
Glasdrumman - Tom Potter
Glenn -
Dundrum -
St Johns - Sean Ward
Clann na Banna - Damien Rafferty
Tullylish - Mark Harte
Atticall -
Ballymartin - Johnny McComiskey
Darragh Cross - Pat McMahon
Kilclief -
Drumgath -
Carryduff -
Bosco -

Division 3

Drumaness - Colum Flynn
Mitchels -
Ballykinlar - Alan Grant
Aghaderg -
Aughlisnafin - Emmett Devlin
Bright -
Killyleagh - Ciaran Keenan
St Pauls -
Teconnaught -
Dromara -
St Michaels -
Ardglass -

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 16, 2013, 11:31:05 AM
Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: citykid5 on January 16, 2013, 11:43:24 AM
Mayobridge coke laverty, Walsh and woods.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on January 16, 2013, 11:43:40 AM
Niall McAleenan at Castlewellan was reported on here few weeks back. Is that John Morgan from Dundrum at Annaclone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 16, 2013, 11:47:43 AM
Quote from: ApresMatch on January 16, 2013, 11:43:40 AM
Niall McAleenan at Castlewellan was reported on here few weeks back. Is that John Morgan from Dundrum at Annaclone?

Yes, was with Loughinisland last year. Trained All Ireland winning Minors of 05.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 16, 2013, 03:36:09 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on January 15, 2013, 02:24:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on January 11, 2013, 09:12:21 PM
anyone got any predictions as to who will go up and go down

In Division 1, relegation will be between the 6 teams who got promoted. No big surprise there. Who it will be out of those 6 really depends on the start they get to the year. 
Rostrevor, Liatrom, Loughinisland and Warrenpoint should be best placed to stay up. The first 3 because of their recent experience in Division 1 and the Point because there is no doubt they are an emerging team.  That leaves An Riocht and Annaclone. By all accounts, An Riocht have not seen any of their foreign legion returning so it will hard for them to survive the full season on a small squad, and Annaclone just because they havent got the experience although they do have plenty of spirit which will help them no end.

League winners will be between Burren, Kilcoo and Mayobridge.  They are the 3 most consistent teams in the County and the winners should emerge here.

Bryansford, extremely talented, extremely inconsistent in league format so wont challenge for league.
Clonduff and Longstone, something similar although not quite as good as the Ford.

Saval, Ballyholland, Castlewellan and Downpatrick will be happy to stay out the relegation battle and should have enough to do just that.

There we have it then..no point playing this season....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on January 16, 2013, 09:41:30 PM
I think Semi final of Dr McKenna is this

Tyrone v Fermanagh
Down v Monaghan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 16, 2013, 11:33:59 PM
Another decent, if patchy, performance tonight, although Armagh fielded a much weaker side than we did. The big plus was McComiskey, who was back to his 2010 form, but most of the younger players also showed up fairly well. Gough has filled out, as he needed to, and Harrison has a lot of potential. Getting at least one extra match before the start of the league was important for us, so James can be reasonably satisfied so far.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: hectorsheroes on January 17, 2013, 11:34:19 AM
Did anyone go to the match? Have heard virtually nothing bar the Irish News report this morning? Any positives/negatives?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lazer on January 17, 2013, 11:49:12 AM
Quote from: hectorsheroes on January 17, 2013, 11:34:19 AM
Did anyone go to the match? Have heard virtually nothing bar the Irish News report this morning? Any positives/negatives?

Positives - At times we looked very together and made good use of the ball, no selfish playing, players all passed well etc. McComiskey was brilliant. Ryan Boyle looks like he has the makings of a good player - and we need good defenders.
The defending was at times first class - at other times appalling.

Negatives - Midfield - no (or maybe 1 or 2) clean catches - Armagh beat them too it nearly every time, although thankfully they weren't good a t the clean catches either so we id manage to win a few midfield balls.

Overall, for the middle of January, it was a good team playing last night - substitutions were made at the right times, were effective etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thegael on January 17, 2013, 12:21:45 PM
Well . let's not get carried away we beat a weakened Armagh and we had  more regulars on board than them.
McCumiskey was a revelation in the first half but when Armagh switch markers he was well contained.Our midfield started off ok but McKiernan I'm not convinced of in this role Toner lorded that sector when he went in.We had a great start in the first half but our start to the second nearly lost us the game .Benny had a fair game and glad that his press comments about him wanting midfield are being ignored !Harrison seems to worth a bit of patience and if he gets as many chances as others have had I feel he could turn out a postive.McCumiskey started off great and looked very hungry but once markers were switched he went quiet so I'll reserve judgement.Poland normally a great conductor seemed not to get involved ,Polie might need a bit of a kick up the arse and spend a bit of time on the bench as he might be beginning to lose the edge as if he is undroppable !
We have progressed and there are a few postives and it is only January so not too bad.



                                       the gael takes no prisoners !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 17, 2013, 01:54:28 PM
I think that the ford will join burren and kilcoo at the top table.this year. Burren should be eager to get the champ back and they are still the best team in down. Lets be honest kilcoo were lucky in every round last year. Their name was on the cup and their embarrassing antics on and off the field will affect them this season. If pete can gel the ford lads together they will cause trouble though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on January 17, 2013, 02:14:46 PM
Decent game last night played in slippery conditions.  In the first 20 minutes we played quick low ball into Harrison and McComiskey who took full advantage.  Polie, Doyle and Coulter pulling most of the passes.  I feel that when Doyle went off injured we lost some of our directness.

McArdle put in a solid display and made some fine catches, though his man looked well off the pace so its hard to say.  The 2 corner backs did well considering they are both starting out for Down.  Carr was solid and made one great block.  McKibben and Rooney were quiet but their men didn't do a lot damage.  Goalkeeper punched a lot of balls which I feel could have been caught.

Midfield was awful.  The only clean catch I recall was made by Coulter.  McKernan will never play MF come league or championship so I'm not too concerned, I think there will be room for him somewhere in the team come the big games and he scored a goal.  Gough did not contribute much at all but he seems to have bulked up a bit.

HF line was effective, Coulter had his best game in a while and lead by example, set up the second goal was involved in nearly every attack.  Polie started well but faded and was taken off.  Turley was workman like but I feel Hughes will take that jersey once fit.

FF played well.  We all know what McComiskey can do.  He showed great appetite and his direct approach and score taking were exceptional, a huge plus to have him back.  Harrison also looked good, a good target man and took a few good scores and looks to have a bit of confidence about him.  The McKenna cup is all about finding new talent and I feel Harrison has done very well and will be pushing for a place further down the line.  Doyle started well but went off injured, it's so frustrating to see a player of his immense quality being plagued like this, hopefully the management we just being cautious in taking him off.  Laverty as always looked lively but at times over elaborated.

Best were Coulter, McComiskey and Harrison.  Forker hit some sweet scores for a poor Armagh side.  McKeever came on and played rightly, I think if you look past his ruthless image you will find that he is a very good footballer, took a great score as well and good on the ball.

Highlight of the night for me was when some wee lad asked his Da were Decky Rooney is from.  His Da shouted loudly, "Declan Rooney is from Warrenpoint but he plays for Burren!", was very funny!  Some great banter with the Armagh fans too, the games under the lights seem to have a great atmosphere and plenty of craic.  Decent tea, soup and sandwiches in the shop under the stand too.
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Post by: wildrover on January 17, 2013, 02:27:55 PM
Fair enough assessment Southdown. The only gripe I would have with it would be where you claimed that 'the two corner backs did well'...Ryan Boyle did well while Gerard McAnulty hard a hard time on Forker. What we would give to have a fit Damien Rafferty!!
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Post by: southdown on January 17, 2013, 02:33:45 PM
Maybe so but given their inexperience lets not be too harsh.  Forker would have caused any defender problems last night.  Ryan Mallon looked decent when he came on also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on January 17, 2013, 02:59:12 PM
Okay maybe so, but having been on the Down Senior panel for 2-3 years now they are not exactly a rookie and would not want to be turning out too many more performances like that.

To me it is just abundantly clear that there is such a shortage of instinctive, tight marking defenders good enough for this level of football within the county and unlike other counties (see Antrim) who could potentially claim that the best players aren't on the county panel, no such case can be made in Down. We are extremely top-heavy with regards the calibre of forwards within the county in comparison to the calibre of defenders!

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Post by: Mourne Rover on January 17, 2013, 09:36:17 PM
There is no doubt that we face a huge task in rebuilding our defence, although Brendan McArdle has produced two fine displays so far and two of yesterday's subs, Ryan Mallon and Keith Quinn, may well have the potential for further development.

Midfield was also a concern against Armagh, as Kevin McKiernan had a fine start, and took his goal well, but suffered familiar lapses of concentration and is more likely to revert to wing half back or forward. Conor Gough had his moments but is very young for a central position.

Our attack has even more options than before with the welcome return of Paul McComiskey, a player of proven quality, and the emergence of Connaire Harrison.

The result against Monaghan is of little consequence but we need to keep experimenting with a view to producing the right line-up for a crucial league opener against Tyrone. A win then would really get our season up and running.
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Post by: qubdub on January 21, 2013, 02:13:02 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on January 22, 2013, 10:49:40 PM
Can someone enlighten me to why Rory Burns is on our McKenna Cup panel? I don't think he has even played a full Div 1 game for Castlewellan. Plus he is also the Reserve keeper... Whts is going on like???
Also where has Kevin Duffin gone? Thought he'd want all the footy he could get in the lead up to the National League.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on January 22, 2013, 10:57:02 PM
Shane Harrison was named to start in goals for the Cavan game but was replaced by Michael Cunningham at a late stage. Unless Harrison is injured, he was the reserve keeper for the McKenna Cup. Presumably Brendan McVeigh will start in the league, but Cunningham has done himself no harm and Harrison is another decent option.
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Post by: DaisyCutter on January 22, 2013, 11:00:08 PM
Apologies folks, I forgot to add that I don't understand how Cathal Magee also didn't get a run in the McKenna Cup? In acknowledge that he has past County experience under Ross & DJ but I feel he deserved another look at, as he was easily in top three forwards in Down/Div1 this year, racking up big tallies in every game. Plus he has got a bit of cut into his game and it definetly helps him. What's your thoughts on this and my previous post?
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Post by: DaisyCutter on January 22, 2013, 11:03:27 PM
I heard at the weekend that Harrison is  going to give all his time to the Soccer at the moment with Banbridge FC. I'd say he wasn't too happy with the Cavan episode.
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Post by: wildrover on January 23, 2013, 11:47:41 AM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on January 22, 2013, 10:49:40 PM
Can someone enlighten me to why Rory Burns is on our McKenna Cup panel? I don't think he has even played a full Div 1 game for Castlewellan. Plus he is also the Reserve keeper... Whts is going on like???
Also where has Kevin Duffin gone? Thought he'd want all the footy he could get in the lead up to the National League.

Rory Burns was the 1st choice Down Minor keeper last year. He appears to be the first choice Down U-21 keeper this year (You alluded to Harrison's commitment to Banbridge F.C which rules him out). The Down U-21's are training with the Down seniors at the moment and so the senior management are presumably in a better position than you to judge whether he is good enough to be the senior back-up keeper for the time being (Before Brendan McVeigh's return).

He played a few games for Castlewellan seniors last year (both in nets and outfield). Very good young keeper, but I rate him equally as highly as an outfield player and thats where I believe his future is for the club.

Kevin Duffin didn't commit to the Down set-up this year. Think he felt he had been caught in no-mans land for long enough (not able to/given a chance to cement a position in the team but was still massively restricted in what he could contribute to the club).

Apart from Michael Cunningham in nets, Aiden Burns is our only other panellist. Hope he has a good year, although Connaire Harrison and Ryan Kelly's good form in similar roles has already made it that wee bit harder for him.
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Post by: DaisyCutter on January 23, 2013, 07:15:56 PM
Thanks for clearing that up for me Wildrover, I didn't know he was up onto the Under 21 panel this year. That will be good experience for him.
I couldn't blame Kevin for stepping away from the County scene as he has been been through a lot with the set up over recent years, where it was affecting his club football as well. A good player who could still offer a lot in the future.
Aidy Burns will find it difficult to establish himself as a first team player. Unfortunately it is still the other end of the field where our problems lye. Wildrover... Get the boots on! :-)!
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Post by: Lecale2 on January 25, 2013, 08:31:32 AM
All Ireland Junior Hurling Semi Final on Sunday. Bredagh v Fullan Gaels. Hopefully we can do the business.

(http://www.bredaghgac.com/img/image.asp?p=2&i=IMG_0142.JPG)
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Post by: johnneycool on January 25, 2013, 08:38:37 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 25, 2013, 08:31:32 AM
All Ireland Junior Hurling Semi Final on Sunday. Bredagh v Fullan Gaels. Hopefully we can do the business.

(http://www.bredaghgac.com/img/image.asp?p=2&i=IMG_0142.JPG)

Best of luck, but tell Lorenzo its time to hang up those puma king boots he got from the county 20 odd years ago...
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Post by: Lecale2 on January 25, 2013, 12:48:29 PM
Ha ha. I'll tell him you said that!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on January 27, 2013, 02:20:42 PM
AIB GAA Hurling All-Ireland Junior Club Championship S-F Latest: Bredagh 0-2 Fullen Gaels 1-12
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Post by: Mourne man on January 27, 2013, 02:25:58 PM
AIB Hurling All-Ireland Junior semi-final result Bredagh 1.04 Fullen Gaels 1.12
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Post by: johnneycool on January 28, 2013, 09:00:13 AM
Disappointing result for Bredagh, but its all part of the learning curve.
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Post by: 5 Sams on January 28, 2013, 08:42:42 PM
What do yiz think?

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/602921_420117334729982_556593808_n.jpg)

Not fussed on it myself. :(
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Post by: NP 76 on January 28, 2013, 09:09:07 PM
By the looks of it Benny isn't fussed on it either. Would prefer a collar on it good to see the Canal Court still there
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Post by: supersub on January 29, 2013, 10:37:35 AM
Best jersey yet. About time we had a modern looking one.
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Post by: centre 3/4s on January 29, 2013, 01:48:59 PM
Who is the fella to the left of the picture?
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Post by: Whitehair on January 29, 2013, 02:01:37 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on January 29, 2013, 01:48:59 PM
Who is the fella to the left of the picture?

Jonathan McCusker, county senior hurler.
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Post by: wildrover on January 29, 2013, 03:23:17 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 29, 2013, 10:37:35 AM
Best jersey yet. About time we had a modern looking one.

+1
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Post by: Green+Gold on January 29, 2013, 10:23:20 PM
Anyone know what date the ACFL's are due to start?
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Post by: NP 76 on January 29, 2013, 11:48:32 PM
I think the div 1 and 2 are starting on the 12th of April and Div3 and 4 to start 2 weeks earlier
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Post by: general on January 30, 2013, 09:20:31 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on January 29, 2013, 11:48:32 PM
I think the div 1 and 2 are starting on the 12th of April and Div3 and 4 to start 2 weeks earlier

Have the leagues not been changed to 3 divisions?
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Post by: NP 76 on January 30, 2013, 10:42:40 AM
Your right general 3 div I assume its the 3rd that starts earlier never thought of the change
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Post by: SHEEDY on January 31, 2013, 10:08:49 PM
down team to play tyrone:
1. m cunningham
2. d turley
3. d mc cartan
4. r boyle
5. r mallon
6. a carr
7. d o'hagan
8. k king
9. k mc kernan
10. k quinn
11. m poland
12. b coulter
13. c lavery
14. c harrison
15. p mc commiskey
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Post by: Mourne Rover on January 31, 2013, 10:49:55 PM
Although we have five league debuts, it is still a reasonably experienced team for early February. However, if the likes of Garvey, McArdle and Rooney are not brought in at a late stage, we look lightweight at the back. Dan McCartan has a role to play in the squad, but starting at full back on Stephen O'Neill is not likely to suit him. It is great to see Connaire Harrison getting his chance, and hopefully Paul McComiskey will be fit as well.
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Post by: southdown on January 31, 2013, 11:18:21 PM
The defence does not inspire me with confidence at all, however the forward line is strong.  Should be a great atmosphere on Saturday night, looking forward to it.
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Post by: PAULD123 on February 01, 2013, 08:27:56 AM
In terms of the men chosen, it's probably about right. I thought Brendan McCardle was fit and if so I would have selected him in defence. Also think Rooney is potentially deserving of a shout. Is Garvey injured?

As for positional choice -

Better to have Aiden Carr in the half backs where he knows he has to defend instead of in the forwards where he doesn't think he has to and lets wing backs tear past him.

I would rather have McKernan in half forward with Keith Quinn at midfield, or Mallon midfield, and Quinn wing back.

I'd rather have Benny in the full-forward line simply because he is unlikely to work hard enough tracking back to prevent wing-backs attacking. I think half forward is a better position to use his talent, but that position is now also about defending and I suspect he may not be as diligent as required. McComiskey would be much more likely to track back.

Also I am suspicious of the merits of playing Harrison up front with two small corner-forwards. It lets the defence know straight up that we have a single target man and two guys feeding off. Better to have Benny up there too and have two target men and give the defence more to think about.

Overall it almost makes no difference who is playing and where. If defenders/midfield/half-forwards work as a unit to block, surround, track, and obstruct the Tyrone attack then we will probably win. If instead (as has been the case) our defence ends up being man-for-man defending then we will almost certainly lose.
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Post by: whitegoodman on February 01, 2013, 09:14:38 PM
Would agree with MR that the defence looks very lightweight.  Would have preferred something like this;

O hagan
P Turley
McArdle
Garvey
Rooney
Quinn

If Garvey is injured then Mallon has also earned a shot in the half back line.

I fear their three main threats could take us apart tomorrow night.....

O Neill v McCartan
Harte v Carr
Cavanagh v McKernan

I hope I am wrong and we get the ball to what looks like a potentially dangerous forward line but I just don't see is winning enough ball to do it.
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Post by: whitegoodman on February 01, 2013, 09:22:03 PM
Also what is it with the current managements infatuation with having a ball playing CHB??

Mckernan, Doyle and now Carr, have we not learned the lessons of prior year.

What is wrong with someone like Garvey, Turley or Rooney as a stopper who are strong, athletic, powerful and have a bit of cut about them.  All players who want to defend first and more importantly can defend.

Rant over...
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Post by: NP 76 on February 01, 2013, 09:45:02 PM
That's a good strong physical 6 WGM but I don't think Garvey or Mc Ardle are fit or at least havent been able to do much training of late. Rooney hasn't played many games and might not be fit to last the pace. I agree with you about Mallon think he deserves a run has been steady so far and is big and strong to go with it. But I definitely would not be happy to see P Turley left on O Neil as he is slower than Dan. To be fair to Carr and I for one am not been one of his top fans but he has done very well at CHB. He may be a ball player but he is seriously strong ,can break the tackle and deliver good quality passes. Also when he is in the back line he doesn't have as much tracking back to do as he is supposed to do when half forward this could also be a problem with Benny on the wing
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Post by: 5 Sams on February 01, 2013, 10:56:05 PM
Watch yourself NP 76...you're talking too much sense...you'll get a job if you're not careful!!
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Post by: ApresMatch on February 02, 2013, 12:00:05 AM
People talking about Benny as if hes sum upstart. Benny will change his mentality for wing forward role,when in full-forward ya dont have the same work ethic that comes when ya play half-forward. May give him a new lease, and he has bags of experience. Against Armagh Benny seemed to be working particularly hard in that position. Benny will enjoy it there, more catching, more physical stuff and probably more touches of the ball; sometimes he is reduced to watching games in the full-forward line.
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Post by: southdown on February 02, 2013, 12:17:08 AM
If, and this is a major major if, we can get a decent supply of balls into our FF line I think McComiskey and Laverty could cause havoc with Harrison acting as a target man.  I feel Polie will be key tomorrow night and am hoping he will produce a similar preformance to the Dublin game last year. 

MF will be intereseting as Cavanagh's game is more about running which means that McKernan can be viewed as less of a risk at MF as catching in the middle is not his strength. I know little about Plunkett Kane but hope that King will match him.

Lets hope our defence can do a job,  and going by Benny's interview during the week I suspect that things will be clogged up in the defence.  If this is the case players like Carr and Poland will be crucial in providing fast, long ball from the middle to the FF line.
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Post by: NP 76 on February 02, 2013, 12:53:54 AM
Après match how would you consider what I said as suggesting that Benny is an up start? Work ethic is not a thing you switch on depending on your position. As far as I am concerned the work should start from no 15 back to no 1as a unit. IMO this has been one of Downs biggest problems this last few years which results in men not picking up the runners thus putting extra pressure on a shaky enough defence.
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Post by: Dubh driocht on February 02, 2013, 11:18:49 PM
We put in a good 55 minute shift tonight but didn't have anyone beyond Mc Comiskey to bring a bit extra to the party while they had Clarke and Penrose. Good enough game and we showed plenty of balls but they are strong all over the field whereas we had a patched up team. Some positives; the two Ryans, particularly Mallon- storming through like a bigger version of DJ, Keith Quinn is a class act, Connaire Harrison more than held his own and as always we got honest shifts from King, Coulter and Laverty. Mc Kernan and Carr showed bits of their quality but need to eradicate unforced errors, Dan stuck rigidly to his task but O'Neill is a Rolls-Royce footballer and Donal O'Hare was good.
For the umpire to give Cavanagh's free as a point was poor judgement but probably the best team won.
I would still be optimistic we could get something in Ballybofey as Donegal are still building fitness judging by the radio commentary of the Kildare game. However, Down supporters need to get behind the team that has brought us so much pride during James' league campaigns- until the second half rumbles I thought we were a bit quiet for an Ulster derby under lights. We knew it was going to be a tough league so make a commitment to back the lads next Saturday night.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on February 03, 2013, 01:00:16 AM
The best team won, just about, but there was no shame in losing to a fine side and a little more cuteness could have got us at least a draw. It was a pity that McMahon's red card, which looked harsh, got more of a reaction from Tyrone than us, and two scores in the second half will not do. However, we still played with a fair amount of spirit and the younger players did particularly well.

Cunningham made at least three fine saves, although his kick-outs were mixed. Damien Turley was unlucky to be injured so early, but the other corner back Boyle looks a real find. He has pace and got up and down his wing impressively. McCartan had a decent game against O'Neill, apart from a misplaced pass which unfortunately contributed to their goal,.

McArdle might have been better in the full back line, and never looked comfortable. Carr had his moments against Harte, but also hit careless passes. Mallon was probably our man of the match, got his tackles in and charged up to score three points before an injury ended his evening.

Both our midfielders did reasonably well, although they were hampered by early yellow cards. King disrupted his opponents effectively, and it looked as though Tyrone were making every effort to get him a second card. McKernan, apart from a couple of lapses, contained Cavanagh effectively but may not be in his best position.

Laverty was excellent as ever, thinking faster than everyone else and it was a pity that he responded to provocation and got a second yellow late on. Poland is not quite where he was a couple of years ago, but will surely improve. Benny was forceful in the first half but suffered from a couple of dodgy refereeing decisions in the second and faded out of it. Quinn has undoubted quality and, apart from taking a heavy knock, is probably in to stay.

Harrison had a brilliant first half, and is a definite option up front, but got poor service when he had the beating of Gormley. O'Hare took his goal well, and put over most but not all of his frees.

Of the subs, Costello has pace but his positioning can improve. Peter Turley is probably the opposite, and McComiskey showed his class as soon as he appeared. Garvey and Kelly were only involved at a very late stage.

It is a pity that our undefeated record under the Saturday night lights in Newry has gone, and we may need to win all of our remaining three home games to avoid relegation. However, our fitness and application could be ahead of Donegal at the moment and we will not travel to Ballybofey without hope.
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Post by: whitegoodman on February 03, 2013, 09:58:16 PM
Delighted with the performance of some of the younger lads especially the two point lads and Keith Quinn. It good to see a couple of strong, powerful and aggressive players such as mallon and Quinn coming in and they could make good additions to the squad.

Still worried about full back where mcardle should prob go back in, midfield and centre forward where polie isn't performing the way he was a couple of years ago.

The sideline also needs to start controlling themselves a bit better as last night was a bit embarrassing.

All in all not a bad performance but we need to get points on board asap
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Post by: PAULD123 on February 04, 2013, 01:21:39 AM
It is of course disappointing that we lost but I have seen us win games with much worse performances defensively. I thought that for about 50 minutes our attitude to the game was spot on, that was a whole new approach to the play and the best overall defensive performance since 2010. The boys played as a team and did exactly what they had to do - hassle, harry, block, slow down, obstruct. There were no rash challenges, no one-on-one defending.

Unfortunately they ran out of steam/concentration after that great 50 minutes. But I for one am not worried. If they stick at that system and keep working at it then they will get better at it and be able to keep it going for longer. For the first year since 2010 I think that we have a chance of being competitive at the latter stages of the championship.

Remember we still have Hughes, Gordon, Ambrose, Garvey and McComiskey to come into the starting 15. That is a huge increase in talent. If by that stage the boys have been playing this system, working as hard as they did, making use of a hit-man (Harrison) and show the conviction they showed in the first half then I have much more hope for this season than the last two.

Rome wasn't built in a day, but what I saw looked like a makings of a solid foundation
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Post by: 5 Sams on February 04, 2013, 01:49:57 AM
Was talking to NP 76 about the game earlier...anyone else notice a wee bit of cut in our boys....or dare I say it they were a wee bit nastier than before???
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Post by: Mourne man on February 04, 2013, 11:38:07 AM
Good 3 point win for bryansford yesterday against a fancied cavan gaels team
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Post by: southdown on February 04, 2013, 04:20:09 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 04, 2013, 01:49:57 AM
Was talking to NP 76 about the game earlier...anyone else notice a wee bit of cut in our boys....or dare I say it they were a wee bit nastier than before???

Agreed.  This has been missing in recent years.  Hopefully we are learning from the 2 heavy defeats in last years championship when both Mayo and Donegal ran through us at ease.  Saturday night was a decent defensive display (but by no means perfect) and it looks like work is being done to improve this.

"Nastiness" is a positive trait in a defender but hard to master.  On one extreme you can play some big, strong, aggressive hallion in defence to install an edge.  Such a player may not have a football brain and become a liability.  The other side is a lightweight good footballer but who would strugge badly against a team like Cork.

I think our current squad has defenders who are intelligent but nastiness may not come naturally to them and needs to be drilled into them.  Garvey possibly being the exception here.

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Post by: thewobbler on February 04, 2013, 04:46:00 PM
Interesting.

I'd suggest it's not so much about having cut, and more to do with when you choose to use it.

What Cork did to us in Croke two years ago, and Mayo did last year, was systematically close off third party runners, and return pass options, by executing a challenge at the right time. "At the right time" is when you catch a man on the full but it doesn't look like you've come in late... i.e. within a split second of the ball is released.

Just a half a second later and it'll look like a third man tackle at best, or a bodycheck at worst.

The best at this tactic (Donegal and Mayo) don't even challenge the ball a lot of the time; they just make sure the man is stopped. It's a very deliberate ploy to kill off support options.

The worst teams at this (which, if I'm being brutally honest, has been Down in recent trips to Croker), actually hit with the same "cut", but being that split second late, they leave the referee with little option but to book them, and also leave themselves open to opponents feigning injury to support that booking.
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Post by: stiff breeze on February 05, 2013, 09:25:00 AM
see the new fixtures are up on the down website  for div 1&2  leagues, hopefully they stick this time

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Post by: guevara on February 05, 2013, 06:26:55 PM
I think James has to be a bit ruthless with a few boys this year & give the boys performing week in and week out in training or in Down League games. There is too many boys just happy to hang around the Down Panel and are there on reputation more than merit.
Fellas like Keith Quinn, Ryan Boyle and Ryan Mallon have not just appeared over night. They have been exceptionally good Club Players for a few Seasons now.

There is nothing worse than going to see League Games within the County and watching "County Players" get a roasting or be totally anonymous in games that they should be standing out in.
I've watched the likes of Ryan Boyle & Ryan Mallon over the past few years and both should have been on the Down Panel 3 or 4 years ago. In fact it must be said that only for Warrenpoint's exploits in Ulster last year neither might have been on the panel this year.
Quinn is another serious talent who in my opinion should be starting every week and if that means dropping a big named player then so be it.

My point is we complain about the standard of Down Football yet are happy to accept the norm year in year out. When was the last time some of our starting players actually had a performance of the level we expect? People will speak of the need for "experienced players" but experience is a downfall when its a priority over performance!
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Post by: washed_up on February 05, 2013, 06:48:11 PM
i agree saw a Down defender roasted a couple of years ago and it never got mentioned in the press.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on February 05, 2013, 07:02:04 PM
How did the under 21s get on last night in the shamrock cup
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 05, 2013, 08:12:17 PM
Guevara, Ryan Mallon and Ryan Boyle are both players with huge potential who really looked the part in their league debuts against Tyrone. However, Mallon is around 22 and Boyle, to the best of my knowledge, is the same age. The idea that they should have been brought straight into the senior set-up three or four years ago, when they were barely out of minors, makes no sense. Keith Quinn is another considerable talent who would have been in our last championship squad, and might well have started, had he not decided to spend the summer in the States. James is clearly bringing in younger faces, but only when they are ready.
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Post by: guevara on February 05, 2013, 09:38:47 PM
Ryan Mallon & Ryan Boyle are 23/24Mourne Rover. They both were on the Under 21 Team a few years ago and even then the potential was evident. Anyone who has went and watched The Point within the last 3/4 years would know that these two boys had serious potential. The same goes for Keith Quinn & fellas like Sean Parr from Rostrevor.

If you think 19/20 is too young to be on a County Panel then why have we boys on ours around that age now? My Point is that a lot of people are saying "they're a great find". They aren't, they've both been playing great stuff for the past number of years. Im just concerned that boys of this potential aren't being looked at closely enough. Status and name seems to be more important.
I am by no means saying there are dozens upon dozens of guys in Lower Divisions that aren't getting a chance. I am just of the opinion that a more ruthless streak is needed to seriously look at who is actually delivering the performances worthy of inclusion on our Team or Panel.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on February 05, 2013, 10:50:24 PM
Sean Parr was a minor in 2004, so he is now about the 27 mark and, while a decent player, can hardly be regarded as a promising youngster. Ryan Mallon and Ryan Boyle were minors in 2007, so last year or this year would be about right to start making their mark at senior county level. The only reason Keith Quinn did not play championship football last summer was because he went to the states. Bringing in players at 19 or 20 is risky even in the league, as the highly physical nature of last Saturday's game against Tyrone demonstrated.
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Post by: supersub on February 06, 2013, 01:42:31 PM
Both lads are 23 just to clear it up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 06, 2013, 07:43:20 PM
It occurs to me that with our league schedule, Down are likely to be outsiders in every league game they play this year and probably when they go to Celtic Park in the championship. Has this ever happened before ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedBlackPurpleGold on February 07, 2013, 10:03:01 PM
1991  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 07, 2013, 11:35:14 PM
Down team to play Donegal, according to Down GAA twitter.

1 Michael Cunningham
2 Damian Turley
3 Daniel McCartan
4 Ryan Boyle
5 Ryan Mallon
6 Aidan Carr
7 Brendan McArdle
8 Kalum King
9 Kevin McKernan
10 Keith Quinn
11 Mark Poland
12 Benny Coulter
13 Conor Laverty
14 Connaire Harrison
15 Donal O'Hare.

It is the same team which started against Tyrone, but the possibility of a couple of late changes can never be ruled out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 08, 2013, 09:19:31 AM
Why were the club league fixtures done again?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on February 08, 2013, 10:18:45 AM
Quote from: supersub on February 08, 2013, 09:19:31 AM
Why were the club league fixtures done again?

Because some clubs have less than 7 home games and more than 8 away games.
The original draw would be fine if on 2 rounds.
But this year teams only play each other once
Draw is done again and seem more fairer

I believe that Kilcoo had only 5 home games and 10 away games in original draw, not sure
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 08, 2013, 10:33:01 AM
Is Moyna involved yet with Down. I see he is in the news as DCU coach.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 08, 2013, 11:17:52 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 08, 2013, 10:33:01 AM
Is Moyna involved yet with Down. I see he is in the news as DCU coach.


Yep. Doing both AFAIK
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 08, 2013, 11:27:10 AM
That is probably about our strongest side at the moment but I wonder if Paul McComiskey should start. Mind you, Donal O'Hare got 1-3, so doesn't deserve to be dropped.

If Connor Garvey is fit then I would have him at CHB instead of Carr. Aiden did ok but he is not an out and out defender. I would be of the opinion that we should see Quinn, Hughes, Carr, Poland, McComiskey as of roughly equal merit in the HF line. To that effect I would think it would be reasonable to use them cyclically or as swap substitutions in a game. You don't have to make a substitution for tactical reasons or because of injury. It is sometimes beneficial just to freshen things up with a similar player of similar skill. that way the energy can be kept high and the system does not get altered by the substitute introduction.

Wouldn't it be nice to think that we had a half-forward line where any one of six players could start and do an equally good job and that at the same time we would know that we had a bench of strong replacements who would slot right in seamlessly without disrupting the system on the pitch.

It's much better than leaving players sitting on the bench rotting away like big Arthur only to be thrown in when we are desperate. Also better than feeling we have to play players no matter what just because they are talented even if it means playing them out of position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: citykid5 on February 08, 2013, 04:22:12 PM
How can you say that quinn is the same sort of player as danny poly or mc comisky? Completly different players imo. Is everyone not crying out for height and physical presence in the forward line?? Out with the old and in with the new. Let wee james build a new team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 10, 2013, 12:47:57 AM
There has been a clear pattern in our opening two league games, with promising first half displays followed by disappointing declines after the break. We have only managed two scores during the second half in each match, which will have to be addressed if we are to make any impact in this division.


Down made another bright start in Ballybofey, in front of a decent travelling support, and were not at all flattered to be three points up approaching half time. Referee Duffy seemed to give every marginal call to Donegal, and his refusal to award Poland a free almost in front of the posts after a clear trip summed up his efforts. Donegal had a few wides, but our shooting was also dodgy. However, we looked very well organised at the back and we should have been much further than a point ahead at the break.


Donegal's introduction of Gallagher at midfield made a considerable difference and our fragile confidence faded fairly quickly. They managed nine points in a row on either side of half time to wrap the contest up with very little fuss.


Cunningham made a couple of fine saves but again his kick-outs were mixed and one could easily have led to a goal. Damien Turley spent most of the game in the other half tracking McHugh and did pretty well. McArdle did a fine job on probably the best full forward in Ireland and his booking was unlucky. When a tick followed, there was little option other than to take him off for the second half. McCartan had an excellent evening on McFadden and showed all his cuteness throughout. Boyle was just about our man of the match, and is developing into a serious prospect. Carr worked hard throughout, apart from the odd iffy pass, and got a tremendous block in late on. Mallon looked the part for prolonged periods and was a little unfortunate to be replaced after a wayward shot.


King got through an outstanding amount of work, as usual, but he is always on a tightrope when he gets booked. McKernan had some brilliant moments, particularly his long range free, as well as some lapses of concentration.


McComiskey worked hard in what is not his best position, and Laverty popped up everywhere without doing as much damage as he can do. Poland produced some great flashes without really influencing the exchanges. Quinn covered a huge amout of ground but was struggling  towards the end.


Harrison suffered from a poor supply and his head dropped a little before he was replaced. O'Hare is a quality forward and might even have sneaked in for a goal towards the end.


It was a concern that, just as against Tyrone, none of our subs really got into the game. Peter Turley had his hands full against Murphy but improved toward the end. Benny was well off the pace, although Rooney had his moments. Gough is still raw, and the run out should help him. Savage is also young, and things did not really work out for him.


A three week break will do us no harm, but Cork are next, and even though they have also lost their first two games, our recent record against them is not great.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on February 10, 2013, 01:32:27 AM
Disappointing performance and result tonight. We built up a good lead in the first half but were woeful in the second - not sure whether it is lack of fitness or inexperience that is causing these second-half collapses, but unless we sort it out we are destined for Division 2. The midfield was encouraging in the first half, helped by some intelligent kick-outs by Cunningham, but when Gallagher came on at half time it all fell apart. Ryan Mallon was excellent again and was unlucky to be taken off, McKernan had a good game, Harrison was uncharacteristically quiet. We are really missing the likes of Rogers, Gordon, Doyle and Coulter, who came on but barely featured. Can't help but feel that survival will probably depend on how quickly we can get those men fit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 10, 2013, 09:38:36 AM
why do Down continuously try to work the ball as close to the posts before trying a shot. if they could shoot from 20 yards they might have had a chance last night.
personally didnt see much defensive improvement. gave away a lot of frees whether or not the ref was giving Donegal all marginal decisions. Donegal got through quite a few times on goal and in championship they prob would have taken most of them.
Down should have had a penalty when at 4 behind would have been interesting.
Better team won though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 10, 2013, 10:55:58 AM
Snoopdog is right about us trying to get too close to shoot; especially against the Donegal system players should have the confidence to have a go. Our current captain Mark Poland is a class act; his balance and reading of the game are excellence but , with his ability, he should shoot on sight. Ryan Mallon is still finding his feet at this level but is a great prospect; in the second half he found himself at the end of one of our better moves and probably should have off-loaded to Poly but snatched at a poor effort. As captain, Poly should have encouraged the lad but banged the ground in frustration; understandable maybe but I don't see any better players in the county apart from our injured men so every one of them should be fit to take a score- time and confidence should improve things.
Confidence is key here. Our heads have gone down two weeks in a row, it's as if we think we aren't as good as Tyrone or Donegal. We might not be the complete package but we are good and should have no fear of any of them. In the first half we outfought the All Ireland champions on their first big match on their own turf since lifting Sam. IMO they are likely to win it again this year yet our boys ripped into them, showed no respect and should have been further ahead but got no help from an annoying referee. In the second half there was only one winner from 5 minutes on. So a break will allow our good management team to reflect and fix it. We need to sort out the 45s- 6 different kickers in 2 games must be some sort of record- remind ourselves that we are here by right and start by beating Cork (for the first time since the 94 sem-final I reckon).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on February 10, 2013, 12:21:42 PM
mourne rover you would think reading your report down were not far away last night but in reality , donegal missed a hatfull of chances early on and never really upped their intensity throughout, id say they had harder training sessions.
Down are in a building phase, they wont survive div 1 this year but have a good young spine that can be built on over time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 10, 2013, 03:06:52 PM
My summary was that Down had competed well in the first half but effectively collapsed after the break and allowed Donegal to win with the minimum of fuss. There was no suggestion that we were in serious contention at the decisive stage of the game and conceding nine consecutive points tells its own story.

The reality is that we are rebuilding and introducing a different defensive approach which was absolutely necessary. Our results are likely to be mixed in the short term, and, as we all know, we are in a very tough division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 10, 2013, 08:15:52 PM
My main issue/worry is not our defence but our forward line at the minute. People say down always produce good forwards but this hasn't been reflected  in our first two games. If you take Donal ohare out of the forward line I think only benny and maybe Harrison out of the forwards have scored.

For all lavertys buzzing about and hard work he struggles to make an impact against the bigger teams.  Poland is in the worse run of form since he broke into the county setup and mccumiskey is not being utilised properly unless he is close to goal.  Add to the benny not being able to make the same impact as a few years ago and we are struggling.

For me we need to move Carr and mckernan into the forward line to increase the strength and height and only 2 from 3 of laverty, mccumiskey and ohare should start.

For cork if we have no further injured players back I'd go for

Cunningham
McCartan
Mcardle
Boyle
Mallon
Garvey
Quinn
King
Rooney (only man to take a clean catch when he came on last night)
Mckernan
Poland
Carr
Laverty
Harrison
Ohare

With benny and mccumiskey to make an impact with 20 to go. Also if mckernan or Carr don't do the necessary work on the flanks take them off and bring on someone who will.

Quinn should be used in defence IMO, he is potentially one of the best defenders in the county and should be used there.  Dan McCartan takes a lot if abuse on here and I wouldn't be one of his biggest fans but he is due credit for the last 2 performances against 2 of the best forwards in the county.

The two point lads have also made a promising impact which is encouraging. Any positives we have are of a defensive nature which would normally be good but the fact that we have few forwards to come into what has been an inept forward line to date is worrying.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 10, 2013, 09:40:35 PM
A harsh dose of realism lads, beat by Tyrone who had 6 debutantes,and Donegal who have not been training seriously. It is possible that we could go through this whole league campaign without a win thus taking a losing mentality into the championship. There are some positives, the emergence of Boyle and O Hare in particular, but when teams get a run at us eg. Donegal scoring 7 unanswered points, neither management or players seem to have a clue how to stop the rot. Following a good performance against Tyrone, i had hoped that the currently injured players would have trouble forcing their way back onto the first fifteen, but alas and alack its back to the old dogs to save us. I am not optimistic
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SQUAREBALL on February 12, 2013, 08:54:21 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on February 10, 2013, 09:40:35 PM
A harsh dose of realism lads, beat by Tyrone who had 6 debutantes,and Donegal who have not been training seriously. It is possible that we could go through this whole league campaign without a win thus taking a losing mentality into the championship. There are some positives, the emergence of Boyle and O Hare in particular, but when teams get a run at us eg. Donegal scoring 7 unanswered points, neither management or players seem to have a clue how to stop the rot. Following a good performance against Tyrone, i had hoped that the currently injured players would have trouble forcing their way back onto the first fifteen, but alas and alack its back to the old dogs to save us. I am not optimistic

Similar to last night in Newry. U-21's were 9 points up on Tyrone at one stage and ended up losing by a point. Down only scored 2 points in the second half. Management had no idea how to stop the rot. Ryan O'Hare was sent on and a selector kept shouting at him to "run around as he was fresh"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 12, 2013, 02:03:14 PM
Realism is that we are trying to play to a new system. Things don't just happen over night. It takes a lot of hard work and practice to get things right. Some of the changes look like they are working. Our defence is the best it's been since 2010. But the boys are running out of steam and perhaps confidence drains too quickly when the opposition score a few quick points. But we could not continue with the porous defence we had, something had to be done and with a dramatic change of system will come a period of transition.

At least the early priority is on stopping conceding scores. Sam Allardyce recently was asked how to fix the problems of a failing side. He said - "First you get the players to stop conceding. After that confidence returns and attacking creativity naturally develops"

If we can make ourselves hard to beat then there is always the chance that at the end of the game we will be in there with a chance of sneaking victory. This is exactly how Tyrone started out on becoming the best team in Ireland. If we can become a hard-working, dogged bunch of mongrels then we will be in at the death against anyone.

It may not be pretty to begin with but look where Tyrone started and look where they ended up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on February 12, 2013, 05:58:35 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 12, 2013, 02:03:14 PM
Realism is that we are trying to play to a new system. Things don't just happen over night. It takes a lot of hard work and practice to get things right. Some of the changes look like they are working. Our defence is the best it's been since 2010. But the boys are running out of steam and perhaps confidence drains too quickly when the opposition score a few quick points. But we could not continue with the porous defence we had, something had to be done and with a dramatic change of system will come a period of transition.

At least the early priority is on stopping conceding scores. Sam Allardyce recently was asked how to fix the problems of a failing side. He said - "First you get the players to stop conceding. After that confidence returns and attacking creativity naturally develops"

If we can make ourselves hard to beat then there is always the chance that at the end of the game we will be in there with a chance of sneaking victory. This is exactly how Tyrone started out on becoming the best team in Ireland. If we can become a hard-working, dogged bunch of mongrels then we will be in at the death against anyone.

It may not be pretty to begin with but look where Tyrone started and look where they ended up.

What exactly is this new system? Also 1-11 against tyrone and 12 points against donegal are hardly defensive shut outs. we are not hard to beat tyrone did it with a man less and donegal cantered home. Stop living in dreamland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 13, 2013, 10:53:02 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on February 12, 2013, 05:58:35 PM
What exactly is this new system? Also 1-11 against tyrone and 12 points against donegal are hardly defensive shut outs. we are not hard to beat tyrone did it with a man less and donegal cantered home. Stop living in dreamland

Well admittedly if your definition of a good defensive display is to shut a team out then either you are a perfectionist or haven't watched a whole lot of Gaelic football. 12 points conceded would be considered a very good defensive display in most county matches. In the Championship in 2010 only two matches ended with a winner scoring 12 or less, in 2011 only 4, and in 2012 only 5.

That's 176 games out of 187 where keeping the opposition to 12 points would result in a victory. So you would win 94% of all championship games.

I am pretty sure you are on your own saying keeping the All-Ireland champions to 12 points in their own home ground  is not a good defensive outcome.

This a work in progress, first stop the rot in over-conceding, then start to develop a clinical attack from this solid foundation. Tyrone implemented this in the early 2000's, Donegal did it over two years to go from jokers to the country's best team.

Alternatively we could just criticise and dismiss the efforts to change before we have even seen the final results, before we have given them a chance. But personally I have never seen a student pass an exam the first day of class before he has ever studied or practised his subject.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on February 13, 2013, 11:28:21 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 13, 2013, 10:53:02 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on February 12, 2013, 05:58:35 PM
What exactly is this new system? Also 1-11 against tyrone and 12 points against donegal are hardly defensive shut outs. we are not hard to beat tyrone did it with a man less and donegal cantered home. Stop living in dreamland

Well admittedly if your definition of a good defensive display is to shut a team out then either you are a perfectionist or haven't watched a whole lot of Gaelic football. 12 points conceded would be considered a very good defensive display in most county matches. In the Championship in 2010 only two matches ended with a winner scoring 12 or less, in 2011 only 4, and in 2012 only 5.

That's 176 games out of 187 where keeping the opposition to 12 points would result in a victory. So you would win 94% of all championship games.

I am pretty sure you are on your own saying keeping the All-Ireland champions to 12 points in their own home ground  is not a good defensive outcome.

This a work in progress, first stop the rot in over-conceding, then start to develop a clinical attack from this solid foundation. Tyrone implemented this in the early 2000's, Donegal did it over two years to go from jokers to the country's best team.

Alternatively we could just criticise and dismiss the efforts to change before we have even seen the final results, before we have given them a chance. But personally I have never seen a student pass an exam the first day of class before he has ever studied or practised his subject.

Cant argue with your stats as i dont have enough time on my hands nor want to do the research you have done. I call it as i see it, stats cant be managed to work any angle.Give them a chance!!!!? You talk about the down team learning new defensive systems like we have a new management in place with new ideas, WE DONT , the core management has been there 3 years and defence has been the main problem from day one. you still have not answered my original question What is our system??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 13, 2013, 02:50:18 PM
Oh Well here goes - Down have played a system where defenders are responsible for the man they are marking. To assist the defenders one corner forward dropped into half forward allowing a half forward to drop deep (Danny Hughes) and make himself available for passes and to keep possession. The principle in this system is to effectively control the ball just past our midfield line. The problem was that it didn't work because game after game the one-one defending got caught out either by a fast break or a direct ball.

Now Down are trying to develop a system where the defenders work more as a unit. No-one tries to directly disposes their man (risking being beaten and left in the dust). Now when a team get a break, Down all funnel back, happily over-running the ball so that they can set up a a defensive line around our 21. Instead of challenging on the 45 we now flood the 21-30m zone. Meaning teams are getting into our half easily but will then be unable to shoot freely and likely will give a turn-over.

The difficult bit is that the forwards have to get used to timing runs off turnovers, knowing when to break into attack, linking with the defenders who retrieve the ball, finding a way to get the ball into the most effective area as quickly as possible. This took Donegal two years to develop. We are playing more physical half-forwards (Quinn & Coulter) as they should be capable of fighting for a ball if sent forward from our defensive turnover.

The problem with the system is refereeing. By allowing teams deep into our territory we run the risk of referees giving free kicks against us. Donegal got 2 very soft frees early in second half which really killed things off. The system is vulnerable to referees interpreting a challenge as a foul when it may just be an obstruction (legal).

By the way were you at Ballyboofey?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 13, 2013, 09:09:12 PM
Quote from Pauldi--- Instead of challenging on the 45 we now flood the 21-30m zone

Do you believe present day Co.players are incapable of kicking points from 21 /30 mts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 13, 2013, 10:30:18 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on February 13, 2013, 09:09:12 PM
Quote from Pauldi--- Instead of challenging on the 45 we now flood the 21-30m zone

Do you believe present day Co.players are incapable of kicking points from 21 /30 mts

The majority of he current down panel certainly struggle to, last Saturday being a prime example!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 14, 2013, 10:00:46 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on February 13, 2013, 09:09:12 PM
Quote from Pauldi--- Instead of challenging on the 45 we now flood the 21-30m zone

Do you believe present day Co.players are incapable of kicking points from 21 /30 mts

As WhiteGM says it is a problem for us. But you raise a good point. No defensive system is perfect both have risks.

Not every side has a problem scoring from approx 30m, and that is the advantage of sending out a team to defend high up. The risk is that if the high defensive line is broken then there is a big gap for players to run into between the two defensive lines. This is what happened to us last year when the top teams ripped through our high half-back line and tore into open space in the middle of our half. They then just picked off shots at their leisure.

So the alternative is the new approach which is to defend deep and prevent easy shots but, as you say, potentially allow teams pot-shots from 30m.

However it isn't that simple. As I said the defenders charge back over-running the ball to get into a defensive position. It doesn't mean everyone runs to our 21 and waits for it. If  team were to attack and then pull up about 30m out, the players who are running deep (toward 21m line) would simply advance and prevent the shot. As for the runner carrying the ball, well he is always being tracked so he can't leisurely just stop and pick his spot. The aim is to have a lot of players always in front of the ball so that any attacker is under pressure entering a scoring zone, has not got a clear shot, has a swarm of opposition defenders closely in front of him, and can not see an unmarked team-mate unless he humps it backwards.

The main risk is not that attackers find themselves in acres of space 30m out. It is that the attacker solos the ball directly at the defence and either due to bad refereeing or defenders ill-discipline he gets an easily scoreabale free.

I think the system is easily beaten though if the opposition have half-backs that can shoot fast and accurate. In that case the opposition attack and effectively push the defence back. The ball is punted back to a late advancing half-back who has to catch and kick really quickly.

two things about that - Firstly there are not a lot of Aaron Kernan's about, secondly that is why Laverty sacrifices himself so much for the team. He will pick up that late runner and even a bit of pressure makes it really difficult for anyone to score from 35m out on a catch-kick snapshot.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on February 14, 2013, 10:48:57 PM
no i wasnt in at the match last weekend. Trying to replicate Donegal's system isnt workin for us, it only took donegal six months to improve their defensive side of the game ,from maginess took over til round 1 in the championship.  they nearly won sam that year  by being totally negative but in his second term they had added an attacking edge and were the complete article.

The problem with tryin to play that way is down do not have jim maginess, its not simply a case of flooding the defence as we seem to be doing if it was everyone would be doin it this way. maginess is a tactical genius and worked on a system of play tirelessly, there were so many sessions done at walking pace , this hasnt happened in the down camp, there in lies the problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on February 15, 2013, 02:53:23 AM
I have never understood this tactic of forwards, particularly Half Forwards, retreating back to help their defence. Surely this only gives the opposing Half Backs the opportunity to advance into scoring positions. If forwards stayed forward there would be less pressure on defenders, and an outlet too kick the Ball forward when they achieved a turnover. Forwards can aid defenders by applying pressure on opposing defences during their kickouts or when they are attempting to clear their lines. I still adhere to the old maxim-- You do not play football in your own half, defenders should not be employing numerous handpasses in dangerous positions to clear their lines, when one well directed kick would suffice, and that requires forwards to stay forward. If halfbacks choose to advance into attacking positions leaving forwards unattended, so much the better. Lavery,O Hare,Hughes, Coulter et al. would have a field day
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 15, 2013, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on February 12, 2013, 05:58:35 PM
What exactly is this new system?....

Not surprised you need it explaining to you if you don't even bother to go to the game to see for yourself

Quote from: stiff breeze on February 13, 2013, 11:28:21 AM
Cant argue with your stats as I don't have enough time on my hands nor want to do the research you have done.....

Hardly surprising you have no interest in checking your facts or actually basing your opinion on something other than bile, when you can't even be bothered to go to the game.

Quote from: stiff breeze on February 14, 2013, 10:48:57 PM
.... Trying to replicate Donegal's system isnt workin for us, it only took donegal six months to improve their defensive side of the game ,from maginess took over til round 1 in the championship....

The problem with tryin to play that way is .,......... this hasnt happened in the down camp, there in lies the problem.

If you don't even go to the matches, I seriously doubt you attend training sessions. So how are you an expert on what happens in the Down camp?

Secondly what part of your own comment did you not read – It took Donegal six months according to you but after only one month you are confidently announcing we have failed!!!! By the way McGuinnes started  training Donegal in his approach in July 2010. It took him a year to get it right for the championship. But hey, why check your facts???

Quote from: stiff breeze on February 14, 2013, 10:48:57 PM
no i wasnt in at the match last weekend....

Well that just says it all really doesn't it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on February 15, 2013, 06:30:27 PM
QuoteIf you don't even go to the matches, I seriously doubt you attend training sessions. So how are you an expert on what happens in the Down camp?

Secondly what part of your own comment did you not read – It took Donegal six months according to you but after only one month you are confidently announcing we have failed!!!! By the way McGuinnes started  training Donegal in his approach in July 2010. It took him a year to get it right for the championship. But hey, why check your facts???



rather than counter any of my points , you pointed out FOUR times what i already told you, I wasnt at the match, get over it.

Now just to correct what you THINK you know , yes Down played a system last year where  a corner forward dropped back into the half back line like you said but they did not just drop a sweeper into the defence , whatever side the attack was coming down the half forward on the other side dropped back allowing the far side half back to come across and close the space, this didnt work as teams played early ball and also there was confusion about the system.

secondly jim mc guinness took over in july 2010 but didnt meet then donegal panel until november 2010 and didnt start trainin til december 2010 .  So on the 15th of may 2011  when they started the ulster championship he had only been training them for six months and had turned them into a solid defensive unit that conceded no more than nine scores in any ulster game. FACT

I bothered to do a bit of research and have now embarrassed you, but feel free to continue blindly believing a new dawn is coming under wee james.

over to you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 17, 2013, 09:01:29 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on February 15, 2013, 06:30:27 PM
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secondly jim mc guinness ..... had turned them into a solid defensive unit that conceded no more than nine scores in any ulster game. FACT

I bothered to do a bit of research and have now embarrassed you, but feel free to continue blindly believing a new dawn is coming under wee james.

over to you

Why would I be embarrassed by someone that can't count? Donegal conceded 11 points to Cavan  in the 2011 Ulster QF, 13 points to Cavan in the 2012 Ulster prelim, 13 points to Derry in the 2012 semi-final and ......... Wait for it....... 13 points to Us, your own team in the 2012 final!!!!!!!

So just because you put the word FACT in big brave bold capital letters doesn't actually mean that it is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on February 17, 2013, 02:45:20 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 17, 2013, 09:01:29 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on February 15, 2013, 06:30:27 PM
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secondly jim mc guinness ..... had turned them into a solid defensive unit that conceded no more than nine scores in any ulster game. FACT

I bothered to do a bit of research and have now embarrassed you, but feel free to continue blindly believing a new dawn is coming under wee james.

over to you

Why would I be embarrassed by someone that can't count? Donegal conceded 11 points to Cavan  in the 2011 Ulster QF, 13 points to Cavan in the 2012 Ulster prelim, 13 points to Derry in the 2012 semi-final and ......... Wait for it....... 13 points to Us, your own team in the 2012 final!!!!!!!

So just because you put the word FACT in big brave bold capital letters doesn't actually mean that it is.

I meant ulster that year,  and u are right about the cavan game, but barring that slip my point still stands that donegal on took six months to implement their new system
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 20, 2013, 10:52:50 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on February 15, 2013, 02:53:23 AM
I have never understood this tactic of forwards, particularly Half Forwards, retreating back to help their defence. Surely this only gives the opposing Half Backs the opportunity to advance into scoring positions. If forwards stayed forward there would be less pressure on defenders, and an outlet too kick the Ball forward when they achieved a turnover. Forwards can aid defenders by applying pressure on opposing defences during their kickouts or when they are attempting to clear their lines. I still adhere to the old maxim-- You do not play football in your own half, defenders should not be employing numerous handpasses in dangerous positions to clear their lines, when one well directed kick would suffice, and that requires forwards to stay forward. If halfbacks choose to advance into attacking positions leaving forwards unattended, so much the better. Lavery,O Hare,Hughes, Coulter et al. would have a field day

This is a very valid view. If you attack the opposition then they go backwards and can't attack you, but you leave yourself exposed if they do. If you retreat then you can't attack them but they can't score easily. Are you retreating and allowing the opposition defenders on to you? or are you being pushed back by their marauding? I don't think there is a simple answer or a simple solution.

I don't think there is one general approach that fits all situations. But as you said old maxims can sometimes be the most useful. Here's one - The team that works the hardest is generally going to win. The most important aspects are not zonal tactics or formations.

In defence it is to get between the man and the goal (or person he wants to pass to), to obstruct, slow down, keep tight. To cover possible receivers of a pass, to protect the small box, to force the ball backwards if any direction, to chase down tirelessly.

In possession it is to move forward, to draw opposition players to you, to pass the ball to a man in free space, to always be running to get into a free space to receive the ball, for all players in attack to all be moving to unsettle the defence and create openings and space. And most important (this one I love above all others) - TAKE YOUR POINTS AND THE GOALS WILL COME!

All of the above is what we were all taught as youngsters, it is the foundation of our sport, it is what Donegal do obsessively.

Systems, statistical analysis and structured tactics are only the icing on the cake. Pangurban is totally correct in that they are not a substitute for traditional aspects.
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Post by: western exile on February 24, 2013, 12:06:00 PM
There is an interesting bit of trivia in the rugby section of this weekends Irish Times about Craig Gilroy who will start on the wing for Ireland today. Apparently he played Gaelic football at midfield for St. Paul's during his teenage years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on March 01, 2013, 10:58:28 AM
Any predictions for ACPRL on Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 01, 2013, 01:24:03 PM

Saval V Clonduff

Rostrevor V Loughinisland

Kilcoo V Mayobridge

Castlewellan V An Ríocht

Burren V Bryansford

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on March 01, 2013, 05:28:34 PM
Quote from: supersub on March 01, 2013, 01:24:03 PM

Saval V Clonduff

Rostrevor V Loughinisland

Kilcoo V Mayobridge

Castlewellan V An Ríocht

Burren V Bryansford

I think Bryansford will have quite a strong Reserve team this year following their Under 21 success.  For the first 4 or 5 games anyway.  Always strong teams out this time of year for reserves as seniors are still a month away so managers use them as game time for any senior player not registered.  All games should therefore be extremely competitive and quite intense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on March 03, 2013, 03:59:21 PM
A brilliant game of football in Kilcoo this morning! It was every bit a senior Div 1 game! Final score was 3-11 each with pluggy Barry and young Martin Devlin, excellent for both sides. Also very well referred by Ciaran Brannigan of Bryansford. I hear Down lost again. Any reports?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on March 03, 2013, 04:58:40 PM
Was down Ballykilnar direction today to watch a game, nice set-up there for such a small club.
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Post by: DaisyCutter on March 03, 2013, 06:52:23 PM
"Refereed"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 03, 2013, 08:02:23 PM
That was difficult to take....

The goalkeeper started well and varied his kick outs but lost ll confidence after the second goal. I'd say mcveigh will come back in the next day which s a pity as I see a lot of potential in Cunningham especially with the variation in kick outs.

Whilst the full back line looked like being on the edge of getting a skinning the performed admirably and held out well for most of the game.

I thought Carr had a great game bar one bad free kick and i can admit that I may have been wrong on my dismissive approach to his selection at chb at the start of the year. Mallon came in to it very well in the second half witha great catch and fine point. Whilst mccumiskey played Kerrigan well his placement at half back just didn't fit well with me and he was guilty of losing the ball for the goal at the end. I hope the experiment doesn't last and we see him closer to opposition goals sooner rather than later.

Although walsh kicked some fine points mckernan had hs best game in quite a while. The free role suits him and he is starting to win his own ball which is important. King struggled with the pace even against canty and may find it difficult to keep his place when other players get fit.

Poland had a good game, certainly his best of the year and kicked a couple of fine points. Laverty buzzed about, worked like a terrior and scored a couple of points including what looked like the securing point towards the end. Quinn had a day to forgot and may struggle to keep his place based on today.

Benny rolled back the years with a vintage performance both inside and out the field. My only minor complaint were that he wasted a couple of good chances when there looked to be better options.  Harrison scored a cracking goal and worked hard but struggled to get into the game IMO.  Saving the best for last ohare was tremendous and is easily downs best finisher which is why I found it strange that the took him out the field for parts of both halfs.  He has been downs best player this year so far.

I applaud James trying to create a new team and bringing through the younger lads but a couple of the lads coming on looked very lightweight.  Overall there was more positives than negatives I think we could win next sat night and still stay up.
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Post by: No1 on March 03, 2013, 10:25:02 PM
Agree with most of that WGM.  Best team lost today, although we mixed the sublime with the ridiculous.  It's not often you see Kerrigan and O'Connor both being taken off so some credit to a much maligned defence must be given. 

Only for a goalkeeping error we'd have won and it was a sickening way to lose the game but there was much to take heart from. 

Couple of negatives were the performance of Cunningham in goals (who up to today has played very well and looked very assured) but perhaps I am being too harsh on him and the subbing of Donal O'Hare and his replacement, I have no idea what that was supposed to achieve.

I think we'll stay up.
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Post by: Town Gael on March 04, 2013, 10:39:26 AM
I agree with a lot of what you wrote WGM. There were a lot of positives to be taken from the game but also some glaring negatives, mainly from the management.
Daniel McCartan was roasted, looked very slow and was at fault for the first goal as he was watching his man and had no idea where the ball was until it was too late.
The substitutions were an absolute mystery to me and those around me. O'Hare was on fire, scored 9 points and yet they took him off. Eoin McCartan and Jerome Johnson coming on just proved that the best way to get a game is to be related to the management.
Benny had a great game but we lost an option when he was brought out to midfield so Kalum King who was having a poor enough game could have a go as a targetman full forward. If Benny had to go to midfield then why not put on Arthur McConville as a target full forward?
I thought Conor Laverty was exceptional, he has an incredible engine, guts aplenty and never wastes a ball. With Dan Gordon, Ambrose and Danny Hughes to come in things look promising for a good Championship run but I think we will struggle to get the points to stay up- Hope I am wrong though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 04, 2013, 06:16:07 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on March 04, 2013, 10:39:26 AM
I agree with a lot of what you wrote WGM. There were a lot of positives to be taken from the game but also some glaring negatives, mainly from the management.
Daniel McCartan was roasted, looked very slow and was at fault for the first goal as he was watching his man and had no idea where the ball was until it was too late.
The substitutions were an absolute mystery to me and those around me. O'Hare was on fire, scored 9 points and yet they took him off. Eoin McCartan and Jerome Johnson coming on just proved that the best way to get a game is to be related to the management.
Benny had a great game but we lost an option when he was brought out to midfield so Kalum King who was having a poor enough game could have a go as a targetman full forward. If Benny had to go to midfield then why not put on Arthur McConville as a target full forward?
I thought Conor Laverty was exceptional, he has an incredible engine, guts aplenty and never wastes a ball. With Dan Gordon, Ambrose and Danny Hughes to come in things look promising for a good Championship run but I think we will struggle to get the points to stay up- Hope I am wrong though.
Very well said Town Gael. Couldn't agree more with you especially on the nepotism issue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 04, 2013, 09:34:23 PM
I may be in the minority on here but I thought Dan McCartan had a decent game and has had his best start to a year since the run to the all Ireland final.  He was at fault for a goal but other than that I thought he did ok. Just shows what different eyes see.  In saying that I would prob still have Darren ohagan in ahead of him when fit.  Him and Boyle have the makings of two tenacious quick corner backs, something unheard of in Down.

I would agree that neither eoin or jerome should have come on.  Arthur would have been the man I would have brought on but I guess we are not the ones that see training and challenge matches night after night.  I think we need to trust in what James is doing and after yesterday's performance that's what il be doing.

On Donal ohare he was only taken off because of injury precaution, it was not tactical.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 04, 2013, 10:37:10 PM
I also thought Daniel had a very good I couldn't really see how he was at fault for the goal two men were competing for the ball and the break favoured Cork. All the lads put in a massive effort and must of been devasted at the end because I know I was. The keeper had a poor day but he is young and will hopefully improve because of it. I hope James keeps faith with him as to get dropped could knock his confidence even more. A lot of our attacks start with his accurate kick outs something Mc Veigh can't do. On the substitutions as far as I know Arthur broke his nose at training on Thursday night so he was never going to feature and I saw Donal getting treatment twice and seemed to be having trouble so that was why he was taken off. I for one was glad to see James having the confidence in the 2 younger lads to feel he could throw them in at that level I don't think it was because it is jeromes son young Jerome is a good player as is his brother Ryan. For the last goal I can't understand why anyone in their right mind would mess about going backwards and side ways unless you have extreme confidence in the man you are giving the ball to. All the passes from that free kick were poor and it was obvious one of them had a chance of breaking down but for me the worst bit was that when cork turned over the play the onlyb2 defenders we had were Dan and Mc Ardle against 2 men they were marking and 3 more coming running at them where was the other 5 if we intended to run down the clock defensively. On the other point that people keep making when we get this one and that one back we will be ok I am not to sure we have played 3 though games with another next week over half way through the league and yet none of these injuried lads are back training. How would they be able to get fitness up that quick for championship pace when everyone around you has at least a 3 to 4 month head start on you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 04, 2013, 10:42:38 PM
totally unrelated i suppose but looking ahead to this weekends game against Mayo.
can anyone recommend decent spot for few lads on the beer in Belfast to watch the game on Setanta?
where are the likely spots to be showing it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lucifer on March 04, 2013, 10:47:17 PM
The Parador on Ormeau Rd is usually a good spot for the GAA, Brick.
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Post by: downjim on March 07, 2013, 01:09:32 PM
Has Eamon Burns any siblings he can bring into the team this weekend ?? And MDG you are always crying to get more Kilcoo players onto the team. Good players but far too small kiddo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on March 08, 2013, 06:48:17 PM
Quote from: downjim on March 07, 2013, 01:09:32 PM
Has Eamon Burns any siblings he can bring into the team this weekend ?? And MDG you are always crying to get more Kilcoo players onto the team. Good players but far too small kiddo

I'm sure he'll be pulling for the Bryansford lads.  Maybe thats how Kallum King is managing to stay in the side as he's not exactly setting the world on fire with his performances.

Anyone know exactly how far away the injured lads are from being back playing again?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on March 11, 2013, 07:58:07 AM
A young Castlewellan side had a good 1-09 to 0-5 win against clonduff in the ACPRL in terrible conditions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 11, 2013, 01:34:07 PM
I think Mayo and Kerry finish on away games and with Down at home on the last day I hope this is the difference between going down and staying up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 11, 2013, 05:11:46 PM
for us to stay up we are going to need 2 wins from our final 3. Mayo will beat Kildare next week which will put them on 4. If Down get beat by Kerry it will be tough. 4 points prob wont be enough. Not sure how it works either head to head or points for against.
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Post by: PAULD123 on March 11, 2013, 09:07:28 PM
In the past the rule has been that if exactly two teams are tied on the same points then it is head-head, but if there are three or more tied then the decision is on score difference. Looking at the current table we are ahead of Mayo even though our score difference is (-7) but Mayo's is only (-1).

I think Kildare will beat Mayo. If we can beat Kerry away (and this is our best chance I can remember) then I think it will be a straight shoot out between ourselves and Mayo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on March 12, 2013, 08:54:31 PM
What is the story with Club Down?
Obvioulsy they are working away by the size of the cheque - £120,000? -  handed over on Saturday. That is some contribution & was announced at the game - but not a mention of it in the local papers.
Thought it was a very brave Down performance on Saturday and the same in Tralee will do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 13, 2013, 05:55:30 PM
Anyone any idea what type of of U-21 team we have this year? Any Senior panellists involved? We are up against the winners of Fermanagh/Armagh game next Wednesday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 20, 2013, 11:00:15 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 13, 2013, 05:55:30 PM
Anyone any idea what type of of U-21 team we have this year? Any Senior panellists involved? We are up against the winners of Fermanagh/Armagh game next Wednesday.

Anyone?

Thinking of taking a spin down there tonight has a team even been named?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 20, 2013, 08:52:50 PM
U21 championship. armagh 0-1 down 0-7 ht. down well on top
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 20, 2013, 09:28:58 PM
armagh 1-5 down 0-11 ft. should have won by more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 21, 2013, 01:25:49 PM
Under 21 Ulster semi-final on 3rd April
Down v. (holders) Cavan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 22, 2013, 09:26:38 PM
The Down team to play  Dublin has three changes, all at the back, with McCartan, Turley and O'Hagan coming in for McKibben, Mallon and Quinn. We have plenty of pace, but the team is very much on the small side. Having lost our last five games at Croke Park, we would not like it to become our unlucky ground. However, we will be up against it.

Brendan McVeigh
Daniel McCartan
Brendan McArdle
Ryan Boyle
Damian Turley
Aidan Carr
Darren O Hagan
Kalum King
Kevin McKernan
Conor Laverty
Mark Poland
Paul McComiskey
Donal O'Hare
Connaire Harrison
Benny Coulter
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Post by: east down gael on March 23, 2013, 12:15:11 AM
Definitely up against it.i hope I'm wrong but with the pace and mobility of the Dublin forwards and midfield,along with the wide open spaces in croke park we could be in for a long night.would also be concerned about our forwards.the ones who have the pace required for this level lack the stature,while those who have the stature lack the pace.i don't mean to be so negative as we played really well against mayo and should have beaten cork,but I think this is a massive step up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on March 23, 2013, 08:13:38 AM
Is there any club fixtures over the Easter weekend??
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Post by: washed_up on March 23, 2013, 08:30:03 AM
ive been told that the third division is on Easter Monday dont know the times and 1 and 2 start a week later
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 23, 2013, 09:45:09 AM
Quote from: east down gael on March 23, 2013, 12:15:11 AM
Definitely up against it.i hope I'm wrong but with the pace and mobility of the Dublin forwards and midfield,along with the wide open spaces in croke park we could be in for a long night.would also be concerned about our forwards.the ones who have the pace required for this level lack the stature,while those who have the stature lack the pace.i don't mean to be so negative as we played really well against mayo and should have beaten cork,but I think this is a massive step up.

Heading to croker this evening fearing the worst. Not expecting anything from this only a hiding, sad to say a defeat of less than 6 points would be a good result for us. Hopefully Mayo and Kerry get nothing from this weekends fixtures either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 23, 2013, 11:20:23 AM
Are the Div 3 games this weekend cancelled?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 23, 2013, 01:04:24 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 23, 2013, 11:20:23 AM
Are the Div 3 games this weekend cancelled?

Nope...all postponed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on March 23, 2013, 10:53:03 PM
Pure shite in the second half tonight pure and simple, but par for the course in the league so far. 1-1 in the second half against Tyrone, 0-2 in the second half against Donegal, 0-1 in the first half against Kerry and 0-2 in the second half against Dublin tonight. There is a massive gap in fitness and organisation between ourselves and the top teams no matter how many players we are missing. Also nonplussed as to the thinking behind naming these 'dummy teams', I have a feeling the only people thrown off by them are the Down players and fans.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on March 23, 2013, 11:19:39 PM
A depressing game to watch on tv after a brilliant start, but realistically one which confirmed how far we are behind the top four or five. We had an outstanding opening period, and, if Laverty had not tried to dummy Cluxton inside the square, we might have been almost out of sight at the break. However, Dublin with the wind and the momentum behind them were at a different level and their subs were effective while ours did not really count.

In fairness, we eventually had five changes from what was already an understrength side in Kerry and our squad was stretched beyond its limitations. Carr, Mallon and McCartan have been excellent in the league, and without them and the likes of the two Dans and Ambrose was always going to be tough.

Against that, we folded at a fairly early stage and the last quarter was at the pace of a challenge game. Depending on the results tomorrow, we can still stay up with a win against Kildare. However, it is abundantly clear that we need all our key men on the pitch to compete in any way with the leading sides.

McVeigh made a tremendous save after half time, but his kick outs were the usual mix of the decent and poor. McArdle had a fine night, even with an elbow to the face after his great point, but Damien Turley and Boyle are still on the learning curve. Rooney and O'Hagan both started well but struggled later and Quinn was decent until he tired.

Peter Turley is not really a midfielder, and might be better in the half back line but McKernan is looking better and better in the centre and was our MoM by a distance.

Poland was also impressive, hitting some fine scores and even if he ran out of steam was unlucky to be replaced. McComiskey worked hard and got a brilliant point before he also faded.

The rest of the forwards were a concern, as Laverty, barring a couple of flashes, did not look himself, and Benny battled away while not threatening at any stage. O'Hare and McConville are both talented young players who will have better days ahead.

We used five subs, and, apart from a good free from Savage and a poor one from Kelly, they barely touched the ball. The Down fans who were snowed in at home,  and missed our sixth consecutive defeat at Croke Park, have plenty to think about.

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Post by: whitegoodman on March 23, 2013, 11:40:55 PM
Whilst I agree that our fitness isn't what it could be I think a lot of this is to do with the lack of options to come off the bench. The subs that came in made no impact tonight and was prob the reason why we didn't make the changes any sooner and why we didn't make more.  Also on the fitness I'd be more worried if we were behind the other teams in may and June.

On tonight's game mcveigh took off one great save but his kick outs left a lot to be desired.  Boyle had his toughest day to date and probably should have been subbed given he was booked.  He will learn from the experience and come back stronger.  Mcardle did ok at times but looks more comfortable further out the field.  I'd still prefer Gordon there.  O Hagen was prob our best defender and should def stay in team. 

Mccumiskey did ok, scored a great point but it still doesn't seem natural to see him back there.  If rumours are to believed and he is off to the states soon I don't see the point playing him when we are trying to plan for a championship campaign.  P Turley looked off the pace and laboured on the ball and my previous requests to see him played in defence look a little shabby at ths point.  D Turley did ok IMO and was unlucky to be subbed.

Midfield was a bit of a curates egg, there is potential in the pairing but it needs improvement.  Rooney is certainly more mobile than king and has a great leap but needs to get himself into the game more but given it was his first start of the league on a big pitch I thought he did ok for the time he was on.  I certainly thought we were worse around the middle when he went off. Mckernan gets on the ball plenty of times and makes use of it most of the time but his man does as much if not more damage and he doesn't win enough ball.  In saying that this could be the starting pair one championship given the absence of Ambrose and the lack of form of king.

Laverty worked hard but should have finished the goal chance and is getting himself a reputation of being a troublemaker. He doesn't need to get involved in that nonsense.  Again Poland worked hard, scored a couple of fine points but faded badly.  Wouldn't have taken him off though.  Quinn was ponderous on the ball, offered very little going forward and was surprised to see him last the 70 minutes.  I am struggling to see what he is offering in the current formation but James must see something.

Benny tried and set up laverty for the goal chance brilliantly and could of got a goal from nothing himself but is struggling for pace at this stage which is understandable.  Arthur was off the pace but was unlucky to be replaced so early.  Ohare was quiet but was feeding off scraps and i certainly wouldn't have taken the top scorer and biggest scoring threat off.

Some of the subs were strange like taking Turley, Poland and ohare off whilst Boyle and Quinn stayed on but none of them made an impact which s the most worrying thing.

Whilst we are likely to get relegated there are positives to take from this campaign and ironically I think we may be in a better state than we were this time last year.

Positives to take so far

Boyle
Mallon
Carr at chb
Ohare

Negatives

Lack of depth
No settled midfield
Lack of ball winners in half forward line
Not finding a target man for the square
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Post by: southdown on March 24, 2013, 10:53:49 AM
What results do we need to go our way today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 24, 2013, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: southdown on March 24, 2013, 10:53:49 AM
What results do we need to go our way today?
We need mayo and kerry beat.
A kildare win over Tyrone will mean Tyrone will still need something against Kerry last day out.
Kildare u21 in leinster final 3 days after they come to Newry so if the get the semi spot today they wont be too concerned with a result in newry.
Not sure what score difference is now after last nights hiding.,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on March 24, 2013, 04:30:13 PM
Its very difficult to be positive after last nights performance against a weakened Dublin side. Tore us to shreds for long periods In the second half.
Continued with kick outs to the middle of the park even though we were being totally cleaned out, instead of going short which would have worked well in the big open spaces of Croke Park.
We are more or less relegated after today's results as our score diff -19 while Mayo are -2 and Donegal are even. We need a Miracle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on March 25, 2013, 02:41:25 PM
kickouts were varied all game between short, medium to the wings and long down the middle. the kickout count shows that Down won 15 out of 25 of their own kickouts. In the 2nd half they won 9 out of 13 of their own kickouts. It was obvious that there was a system being used and it took Dublin a while to catch on in the 1st half. Short or quick kickouts is a two way thing between the keeper and the outfield players, with the onus being on the runners making space for the kick. One player making a run does not work. Some posters on here use this critisism every game, without really looking closely into what is happening out the field. Players walking back out after the ball has gone dead, not interested in the next ball, or pulling markers into the space that has been left for runners to go into. Most County teams have natural ball winners all over the pitch and kickouts are straightforward for these teams, but we dont have these type of players which is why the break ball is so important for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 25, 2013, 02:54:45 PM
one of the main worries with Down is how far they fall away in the 2nd half of games. They arent on the same fitness level as the other teams in the top flight. whether this is a plan and they will seriously up the fitness for championship we can wait and see. But a year in divison 2 wont do any harm to this group of players.  Benny was well of the pace and looked very slow to me. I agree kickouts were varied, but McVeigh in 2nd half kicked a ball out to the flank straight into the arms of a dublin player and they got a point from it. So he needs to think about his kickouts, hard to believe sometimes he won an all star  but then you see the fantastic saves he also made on saturday night.
At this moment in time its not looking good for the trip to Derry in June. Even if we do get past that Tyrone or Donegal would cause many sleepless nights.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on March 25, 2013, 03:17:16 PM
prob got an all star for some brill performances agst the likes of Kerry and Cork in 2010 amongst many others, but what the f'''k would i know. Short memories or what!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 25, 2013, 04:53:19 PM
Quote from: extra time on March 25, 2013, 03:17:16 PM
prob got an all star for some brill performances agst the likes of Kerry and Cork in 2010 amongst many others, but what the f'''k would i know. Short memories or what!!
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no problem with memory, he is a good keeper and a fantastic shotstopper, one of best around but his kickouts are poor. in my opinion a mix of his kick outs and poor decisions from the line lost us an All Ireland in 2010, apart from the early saves i dont think McVeigh will have fond memories of that all Ireland final.

does anyone keep an eye on the Aussie rules think it started this weekend. Anyword on Clarke and mooney?? I wonder what their chances are for this season. Be Clarkes 4th season dont think he was up to much last year so make or break for him this year, not etting any younger.Monne will have another while to prove himself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on March 25, 2013, 05:54:24 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on March 24, 2013, 04:30:13 PM
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We are more or less relegated after today's results as our score diff -19 while Mayo are +2 and Donegal are even. We need a Miracle.

Yes, Down need to overcome a -19 points difference and hope that other results go their way.
So, a possible  "miracle" scenario is that we need ALL 3 of the following to happen in the next round:

1) Down beat Kildare by 10+ points  at Páirc Esler
2)  Dublin beat Donegal by 10+  at Ballybofey
3)  Tyrone beat Kerry by any score at Omagh

An alternate to 2) above that would also work, would be Cork beat Mayo by 12+  at  Páirc Uí Chaoimh  (provided of course that Down beat Kildare by 10+ and Tyrone beat Kerry)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 25, 2013, 07:22:23 PM
Who have been appointed managers for An Riocht and Warrenpoint this season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on March 27, 2013, 10:23:29 AM
Mid Down Gael here is a list of managers.

2013 Managers

Division 1

Burren - Paddy Carr
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Saval - Darren Quinn
Longstone - Greg McCartan
Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Downpatrick - Paul Lambe
Rostrevor - Gerard Colgan
An Riocht -
Annaclone - John Morgan
Loughinisland - Kyran Smyth
Liatroim - Paddy O'Higgins
Mayobridge - Mickey Walsh/Eoghan Woods/Colin Laverty
Clonduff - Paul McShane/Tony Wilson
Castlewellan -
Warrenpoint - Conor Tinnelly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on March 27, 2013, 10:34:54 AM
Quote from: razor on March 27, 2013, 10:23:29 AM
Mid Down Gael here is a list of managers.

2013 Managers

Division 1

Burren - Paddy Carr
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Pete McGrath
Saval - Darren Quinn
Longstone - Greg McCartan
Ballyholland - Shane Mulholland
Downpatrick - Paul Lambe
Rostrevor - Gerard Colgan
An Riocht -
Annaclone - John Morgan
Loughinisland - Kyran Smyth
Liatroim - Paddy O'Higgins
Mayobridge - Mickey Walsh/Eoghan Woods/Colin Laverty
Clonduff - Paul McShane/Tony Wilson
Castlewellan -
Warrenpoint - Conor Tinnelly

Castlewellan - Shorty Treanor (Burren)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: goldenyears on March 27, 2013, 01:11:19 PM
Conor Tinnelly is not the W point Manager I dont think. i think Kingdom have an inside man in charge, not sure who.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 27, 2013, 01:26:36 PM
Is the fixtures out for the Feile on Easter Monday???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on March 27, 2013, 09:36:46 PM
Well lads who are the fancied teams for the 3 divisions this season?

Has there been any tranfers this year ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 28, 2013, 10:18:27 AM
Lads, who is the Current U21 management team. Is it Burns and johnson?
for some reason i though it was Wee Pete.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 28, 2013, 11:04:18 AM
Yes it's Burns and Johnson but as they are all training together with the seniors I would think James has a say also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 28, 2013, 04:07:21 PM
Are the reports in Gaelic Life true that McComiskey, McConville and O'Hagan are off to USA this summer? I had heard the McComiskey one before but thought it was just a rumour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 28, 2013, 04:19:24 PM
As far as I have heard Paul that's true we are limited enough with numbers without losing another 3 players .was delighted to see Mc Comiskey and o Hagan back and thought Arthur would of got a bit of a run in the team but good luck to them you can't blame any lad for heading away
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 28, 2013, 05:54:51 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on March 28, 2013, 04:19:24 PM
As far as I have heard Paul that's true we are limited enough with numbers without losing another 3 players .was delighted to see Mc Comiskey and o Hagan back and thought Arthur would of got a bit of a run in the team but good luck to them you can't blame any lad for heading away

doesnt say much for the current set up. would mickey Harte be letting 3 of his players head off to the states for the summer. would they not wait to see how we get on against Derry first.  While i dont blame them for heading off they obviously have no belief in their or the panels ability if they would rather head off and play football in the states for the summer than have a crack at the Championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 29, 2013, 12:18:50 AM
Load of balls they are young lads football doesn't have to rule their lives, one of the reasons Paul quit last year. Plenty more football to play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 29, 2013, 08:46:44 PM
There is a general lack of belief and committment within the present Down panel. Some lads are giving their all but others are there for the Blazer. It appears we can safely book the Holidays anytime between June and August as an early exit from championship is certain. That coupled with Div.2 football next season will lead to a further decline in our fortunes.  Very depressing outlook but difficult to envisage any other outcome
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on March 29, 2013, 11:25:58 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on March 29, 2013, 08:46:44 PM
There is a general lack of belief and committment within the present Down panel. Some lads are giving their all but others are there for the Blazer. It appears we can safely book the Holidays anytime between June and August as an early exit from championship is certain. That coupled with Div.2 football next season will lead to a further decline in our fortunes.  Very depressing outlook but difficult to envisage any other outcome

A lack of belief and commitment - not sure how you work that one out?  These lads all give so many hours/days/times to the Down cause - commitment is not a problem.  Playing for the blazer - you some Cricket head or something?  We are a Div 2 team - get over it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on March 30, 2013, 04:38:16 PM
Quote from: supersub on March 29, 2013, 12:18:50 AM
Load of balls they are young lads football doesn't have to rule their lives, one of the reasons Paul quit last year. Plenty more football to play.

there wasn't much point in him coming back if he is going to f**k off to the states before the championship even starts, i wouldn't have in a Down jersey again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 30, 2013, 06:55:42 PM
What surprised me about the three lads leaving was that they all featured against Dublin. I cant understand why McCartan would play three lads who are leaving the panel in a few days. Surely the subs knew they were all leaving and other panel members who didnt feature at all would have known they were going as well. Its only human nature to feel pissed off, if you are training away maybe hoping to play in croke park for the first time and lads get a game before you and everyone knowing that they have their bags packed. Will there be any resentment from other members of the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on April 01, 2013, 09:39:13 PM
Lads - I am not 100% on this but I am pretty sure that Paul's plans for this year were never a secret from the outset and James and co were fully aware that he was heading off.

The lad didn't have to go back near the county and could have just sat back in preparation for his holidays, but he was asked back and he felt he was ready to get involved again.

From his performances this year, you couldn't challenge his commitment or dedication to the cause. The lad owes Down nothing. Good look to him and hope to see him back in the red and black next summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 01, 2013, 10:33:01 PM
I didnt criticise any of the players, I just thought it was a strange decision from McCartan to play three lads who are not going to be around for the championship and just one game against Kildare to try and blood replacements or alternatives for the Derry game. I just dont understand the reasoning behind it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 01, 2013, 10:41:23 PM
Any results from division 3?i think so far Mitchell's beat killyleagh quite easily,ardglass got a good win over aughlisnafin and St. Paul's won a tight one against magheralin.any other games played so far?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on April 02, 2013, 01:38:38 AM
From Down website:

TECONNAUGHT 0-7 V 0-11 AGHADERG
ARDGLASS 2-9 V 1-4 AUGHLISNAFIN
ST MICHAEL'S 1-4 V 0-8 ST PAUL'S
BALLYKINLAR 0-2 V 7-15 BRIGHT
KILLYLEAGH 1-7 V 4-13 MITCHELS
DROMARA v DRUMANESS (OFF)

First results don't do anything to convince this will help with the development of some clubs who struggled in the previous Div 4 ...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 02, 2013, 11:50:11 AM
Ballykinlar seem to be really struggling,you'd have to wonder how much longer they will hold out for unfortunately.thats not a bad showing from killyleagh either,Mitchell's would be one of the stronger teams in the division.I'd see themselves,ardglass and drumaness being favourites to go up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 03, 2013, 09:11:26 PM
Either Cavan are a very good team or Down r terrible. Barring a miracle in last 5 mins down well beat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 03, 2013, 09:57:47 PM
Down were well beaten, 1-12 to 0-6. In fairness, Mooney and McCartan, the two stars of the minors of three years ago, have left the country, and O'Hare, our free-taker from the first round, was injured tonight. McParland was apparently the captain this year, and started for the seniors last summer, but did not feature in either u21 game. Anyone know if he is also injured or if he is due back in the senior squad ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 07, 2013, 10:14:47 PM
Today was a pretty decent performance against a Kildare side which admittedly did not have much to play for. We always knew relegation was a possibility in a very strong first division. but the margins were tight and, if we had held on against Cork in injury time, they would have gone down instead of us.

We have two months to prepare for a tough trip to Derry in the championship, and the priority has to be getting as many as possible of our injured players back. Our defence, while far from the finished article, has improved considerably this season, and, as well as the six who started today, the likes of Gordon, Carr, Garvey and Mallon should give us plenty of options there.

McVeigh had the usual mix of decent and poor kick-outs, although he sometimes did not have much to aim at. His handling was good, and he had no chance with their goal, which came when a fantastic block from Damien Turley somehow ended upstraight in O'Neill's hands inside the square.

Dan McCartan was as steady as ever, and gave Doyle no real room to move, while McArdle, apart from a couple of dodgy moments, was solid and gets up the field very well. Costello was impressive in the second half and managed two excellent blocks late on.

Peter Turley, apart from one handling error, had a fine afternoon and used his strength effectively. Rooney and Boyle were  equally good at wing half, giving us a decent platform there.

Not everyone seems to appreciate the work King gets through but he was great again today. When they have the ball, he makes them go backwards. When he has the ball, he gives it immediately to someone in a better place. All this opens up space for Mc Mc Kernan, who was comfortably man of the match, ran the show at midfield and got 1-3 from play. We can even forgive him for possibly the worst 45 ever seen at the Marshes, which went backwards straight to a Kildare man and led to a point which should have been a goal.

Poland was nearly as good as McKernan, and popped up everywhere, but Devlin was a disappointment, seemed to be knocked off the ball too easily and it was surprising that he was not replaced. Quinn was presumably injured when he went off before half time but McArdle when he came on showed pace and power and will be in the mix for a championship start.

Eoin McCartan had a strange game in which he saw very little of the ball but tucked away two close-range goals and won an important free in front of the posts. Benny may be struggling a bit for fitness, but he set up a goal and kicked a fine point before retiring at half-time. While O'Hare did not really feature from play, he put over his frees and has the notable achievement of finishing as division one's overall top scorer in his first league season.

Of the other subs, Mallon really looked the part and may now have a claim for a championship place in both the forwards and the backs. Madine took two smart points in quick succession, but Kelly and Damien Turley had little time to make an impression.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on April 08, 2013, 12:34:15 AM
Much better performance than I expected today, especially since we were more or less already relegated. Granted, Kildare had nothing to play for, and in my view look a pretty poor side, but it was still a much more emphatic victory than anyone would have expected. Not sure where we stand for the championship, but there were enough encouraging performances to suggest that the future isn't as bad as relegation might suggest.

  Kevin McKernan was far and away the best player on the pitch today, oozed class from beginning to end. As Mourne Rover said, I've never seen anything like that 45 he took in the second half, but it was one blip in an otherwise excellent performance. Barring the odd wayward ball, he is also a superb kick-passer and was at the heart of everything good about Down's performance. Mark Poland was a close second for man of the match, a typically hardworking display punctuated by flashes of brilliance. Kickouts are still a concern - in the first 15 minutes or so, McVeigh picked out the likes of Coulter and Quinn on the wings, but eventually resorted to the same old tactic of hoofing it down the middle. Wouldn't be too hard on Devlin, thought he had a good enough game and confidence will surely grow from experience.

  Thought the other standout performances came from Benny McArdle and Ryan Mallon in the second half, whose calmness on the ball is a huge asset. Hard to know what to think about Eoin McCartan, the records will show two goals scored, but they were tap-ins and I thought he looked uncomfortable on the ball in general. Peter Turley might also take some stick for a couple of bad passes but he works hard and offers a good, strong presence. Declan Rooney is always solid as well, should be a starter come the championship. Don't know what to make of our championship hopes, even with the likes of Gordon, Garvey and Rogers to come back, but at least we're not staring into an abyss for the future anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 08, 2013, 10:33:54 PM
Would usually agree with most of your ratings MR but would have to comment on a few.  Thought Dan McCartan struggled on johnny Doyle before being moved off him.  Also thought Poland had a poor game by his high standards, overplaying the ball a lot, over carrying and being knocked off the ball.  I also  think Quinn has had a disappointing league campaign and will struggle to make the starting 15 come championship.

There are however a number of positive to take out of yesterday and the league in general.

The two point lads continue to shine, Rooney and mcardle returning and impressing after injury, Carr at CHB, mckernans performances at midfield, Donal ohares scoring although he was poor yesterday.

However worrying is the continued absence of Garvey, Gordon, Rodgers and Hughes. Even if fit it will be difficult for them to come in and perform at championship pace having not played a competitive game for down in 10 months.  In saying hat this is eat I'd go for at min against Derry

Mcveigh
Boyle
Gordon
Mcardle
Mallon
Carr
Garvey
Rooney
Mckernan
Hughes
Poland
Mcardle
Laverty
Coulter
Ohare

That would be assuming Garvey, Hughes and Gordon will be ft and Ambrose won't.

IMO king and quinns performances throughout then lea ge haven't been good enoug.h to warrant a place. Mcardle showed a lot more pace and dynamism when he came on and that is what is needed and expected in half forward one.

I do expect king and dan McCartan to be at least two changes from that line up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 08, 2013, 11:26:03 PM
I would of liked to have saw a bit more of Anton  Mc Ardle before throwing him into the championship granted did well yesterday but totally different scenario in June he would be a good option at wing half forward great engine and big strong fella but King did every bit as well as Anton yesterday.  I still think we need king in the middle as none of the others have his strength you need someone doing the hitting. Dan may of struggled on Doyle but when he was shifted to Johnson the latter was taken off so he obviously did ok.  At this stage with no games under their belts finding it more unlikely that Danny Gordon or Ambrose will feature against Derry but you never know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 09, 2013, 01:26:51 AM
Reviewing our league campaign and evaluating possible options for the championship, has led me to conclude that Benny should not feature in the first fifteen. He would be much better employed as an impact sub. as he has about 30 good minutes of football in him but lacks stamina for the full 70. We have an improving settled defence and MF, so should we be fortunate enough to have big Dan back he would be best employed at FF. While we hope for good news re. Ambrose and Danny their fitness must be in doubt for the Derry game and it would be silly to risk them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 09, 2013, 11:38:29 AM
Our defence is definitely improving, but the displays against Kerry, Dublin and particularly Cork would strongly suggest that a fit Gordon will still be our championship full back. McCartan was among our best players in this year's league and we struggled in the games when he was injured. Anton McArdle is an interesting option, but he may not have had enough game time to start in Derry. If we are looking for a new wing half forward who can win possession, cover back in defence and push forward effectively, Mallon looks the perfect candidate. Poland's style of play means he is always in danger of overcarrying, but Kildare could not cope with his surges at all on Sunday and the first goal showed how crucial he remains to us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 09, 2013, 06:59:11 PM
Couldmayobridge minors not field against warrenpoint last week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on April 09, 2013, 11:41:05 PM
Not sure downjim, but I understand that the yellas couldn't field a team for their Premier Reserve game on Sunday past I hear, which is probably due to the fact their 10k fun run was on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 09, 2013, 11:56:59 PM
We had five minors who were not allowed to play due to playing for st marks in the all-ireland final. Warrenpoint could not change the future therefore they got the points. Our minors beat shamrocks earlier this evening!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 10, 2013, 08:03:04 AM
How many Warrenpoint minor players were playing for St Marks? It's a pity the fixture couldn't have been changed, much better to play than to win by default.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on April 10, 2013, 09:19:08 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 10, 2013, 08:03:04 AM
How many Warrenpoint minor players were playing for St Marks? It's a pity the fixture couldn't have been changed, much better to play than to win by default.

Warrenpoint had no players on the team, apparently the Point manager said "It doesnt affect us"! Pretty poor gamesmanship if you ask me, i think even downjim would agree, Burren our closest rivals would have changed the game!
But theyll have no luck for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 10, 2013, 11:38:07 PM
Depriving lads of football is wrong. Thats the new CPN for you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 12, 2013, 07:14:12 AM
Quote from: downjim on April 10, 2013, 11:38:07 PM
Depriving lads of football is wrong. Thats the new CPN for you

It wouldn't be like you to look before you leap DownJim now would it? I would prefer that the match was re-arranged but I don't know if that was even possible. Remember we only have one pitch unlike Burren & the bridge. Tell you what, go and find out if there was a slot available and then come back and criticise if that is the case. Until then your criticise betray nothing more that the well know fact that you have a burning desire to criticise, anything, doesn't matter what it is you just love a good sarcy moan. Doesn't even matter to you if you are factually correct.

The new CPN is a club which is putting the GAA at the forefront of our community, that is trying at a grass-roots level to build a participative club for the benefit of the community and aiming to establish involvement for all in the area, even if that just means keeping up with the club news or wearing club colours. The club has an enthusiastic leadership and are trying (and so far succeeding) to turn things around.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 12, 2013, 08:55:00 AM
Why was anyone even seeking a postponement of a minor game because of an U16 game? Are there not enough minors in Mayobridge? Perhaps they should play in the third division it's 13 a side there. League games are for playing, if Mayobridge could field a team they should have played. CPN well within their rights to refuse the postponement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 12, 2013, 10:53:09 AM
Down Recorder Down ACFL Preview

Down ACFL Division 1 Preview

The top tier of Down club football gets underway on Friday night with a full set of fixtures in the new look sixteen team league. This division is made up of the ten teams from the old division one plus the top six teams from the old division two. The bottom two teams in 2013 will be relegated to division two while the team that finishes third from bottom will play the third placed team in division two in a promotion/relegation playoff. All teams in division one will play in the SFC.


Front Runners

2012 county SFC winners Kilcoo will be favourites to retain their championship crown and annex the league title. They are blessed with talent and strength in depth. County star Conor Laverty along with promising U-21 talents Darragh O'Hanlon, Jerome Johnston and Ryan Johnston are set to lead the line with the experience of Gary McEvoy, Aidan Brannigan and Sean O'Hanlon proving invaluable.

Burren will be snapping at the Magpie's heels as they look to get back on top of the pile. Paddy Carr has taken up the managerial reigns and he has a host of talent at his disposal. Kevin McKernan, Donal O'Hare, Declan Rooney, Dan McCartan and Eoin McCartan are all part of the Down senior squad and they will form the backbone of what looks to be a very strong spine. Throw in young U-21 talents such as Piaras Murdock, Gerard McGovern and Shay McArdle and Burren look a fearsome proposition.


Chasing Pack

Bryansford will have been buoyed by their recent Ulster U-21 win and they will need the likes of David McKibbin, Danny Savage and Ruairi Wells to solidify themselves as an integral part of their senior side for the year ahead. Pete McGrath can also call upon county midfielder Kalum King and with Conor Maginn set to return home in June they are well equipped to challenge.

Mayobridge have appointed former player's Michael Walsh and Eoghan Woods to their management team this year along with Colin Laverty. Some believe that the Bridge's glory days are behind them but any team with Conor Garvey, Benny Coulter and Keith Quinn in their ranks can still harbour realistic ambitions. Added to this is the scoring power of Cathal Magee and Ryan Brady and the playmaking talents of Ronan Sexton and Kevin O'Rourke and the Bridge can be hopeful of being amongst the top contenders.

The highly rated Gerard Colgan has retained his command over Rostrevor and their lot should improve this season under his guidance. After winning division two last year they will be on somewhat of a high. Jarlath Farrell and Aidan Cousins are sound defenders while much will be expected of Shaun Parr and Conor Magee around the middle. Aidan Mackin, Brian Cole and Damien Magee along with the Fegan brothers will be tasked with getting scores on the board.

Longstone are brimming with talent in the form of county men Ambrose Rogers, Mark Poland and Ryan Kelly. If the rest of the squad can gel a bit more then they can beat anyone on their day. Michael Hughes, Conor Doran and Michael Ireland are improving as footballers and with the experience of Barry Kelly, Eamon Quinn and John Magee to call upon they can mount a challenge if they can keep everyone on board.


Middle of the Road

Clonduff's aspirations will have been dealt a blow with the news that Arthur McConville and Darren O'Hagan are heading Stateside for the summer. Nevertheless Aidan Carr will be on hand to lead an emerging team that will be looking to the likes of Jason Brown and Conor Og O'Hagan to push their cause. The experience of Paul McConville and John McPolin in defence and John Fegan in the attack will be crucial to their aspirations.

Saval are under the stewardship of Darren Quinn for the year ahead. He has at his disposal a dynamic team who play a positive brand of football. He will be hoping that Danny Hughes returns to fitness to spearhead their campaign. Declan McCarthy and Darren Cunningham will be at the centre of their rearguard while Ronan Digney is an important player at midfield. County U-21 Niall Madine will be looked upon to get scores along with Keelin Rice, Stephen Kearney and Ruairi Digney.

Ballyholland clubman Shane Mulholland is still in charge of the Harps and with Stephen Poacher in as trainer the Newry side should be in good shape. Former county players Ronan Murtagh and Paul Murphy are still class acts and along with Robbie White, Patrick Quinn, Tony Havern and Kieran Murphy they should have enough guile to cement themselves in the division.

Castlewellan have appointed Burren legend John 'Shorty' Treanor to their hot seat. He has inherited a relatively young side. Former county man Kevin Duffin is the linchpin of the defence while Aidan Burns is one of the classiest forwards in the league. Throw in up and coming players like county U-21 keeper Michael Cunningham, Rory Burns and David Gilmore to complement Luke Toner, Liam McKibben and Cahal Crilly and the 'Town' can be very hopeful for the future.

Warrenpoint are a club very much on the up after their IFC win last year. They are back at the top table and have all the necessary ingredients to stay up. County players Ryan Boyle and Ryan Mallon have been revelations in the past twelve months and with Ciaran McCartan, Ross McGarry, Ryan McAleenan and Johnny Murchan in pivotal positions they can be positive about their division one tenure.


Battling the Drop

Loughinisland are a team in transition at the moment. RGU native Kyran Smyth is now at the helm and he will have the opportunity to blood a lot of young players. Dan Gordon is crucial to the Island's cause as is the leadership of Conor O'Toole. With Jamie and Ben O'Reilly onboard the East Down side certainly has potential. Add to this the steel of John McCarthy at midfield and the craft of Ryan Stranney along with the up and coming Jonathan Flynn and they should be able to mount a stern survival crusade.

Liatroim have been decimated by emigration in the past few years and this was reflected by the fact that they lost their top tier status in 2011. They are a committed bunch of players who have a knack of grinding out results. Gerard McAnulty and Liam Doyle are on the county team at present while Miceal McCartan along with the O'Higgins', Donagh and Stephen, will be looking to ensure their club's top flight survival.

Like Liatroim, An Riocht have had well publicised problems with player's emigrating. They have battled on though and in John Clarke they still have one of the best club players about. County net minder Brendan McVeigh is a vocal presence while the emergence of talented teenagers Ronan McAlinden and Declan Doyle should boost their cause.

Annaclone have been a yo-yo team for a number of years now and they may struggle again in the highest echelon. John Morgan, Down's All Ireland winning minor trainer of 2005, is in the hot seat now but he faces a difficult first season in charge. Despite this, county full back Brendan McArdle is a rock solid presence and along with Gary McArdle, Kevin Anderson, Niall Higgins, Conor McConville and the evergreen Gary Quinn they may well be a difficult proposition to beat at home.

Downpatrick's glory days of the early 90's are now well and truly behind them and the county town team have stuttered in the past in division one. They have heaps of potential but translating this into a consistent winning formula has proved difficult. The Turley brothers are now seasoned county players and they are the two main men for the RGU. The free scoring Conor McGrady is currently making waves for the Down minors and his eye for a score will be vital. Declan Turley, Sean Bell, Gerard Collins and the Telford's, Andrew and Peter, are vital cogs in Paul Lambe's quest for survival.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 12, 2013, 10:57:45 AM
Down Recorder Down ACFL Preview

Down ACFL Division 2 Preview

The second tier of Down club football gets underway on Friday night with a full set of fixtures in the new look sixteen team league. This division is made up of the bottom four teams from the old division two plus the top ten teams from the old division three and the two promoted teams from the old division four. The bottom two teams in 2013 will be relegated to division three while the team that finishes third from bottom will play the third placed team in division three in a promotion/relegation playoff. The top two teams will be promoted to division one while the third placed team will play the team from third bottom in division one in a promotion/relegation playoff. All teams in division two will play in the IFC.


Front Runners

Clann na Banna have been plying their trade in the old division two for quite some time now. They possess the most experienced team in the league and with former county man Damien Rafferty in as team trainer they look to have all the assets at their disposal for a promotion push. Michael McAllister is a quality goalkeeper and a compact defence will be marshalled by Mickey Fairburn and JP Gartland. Conor Leneghan, Liam Devlin and Rory Hill are all tricky forwards and with Cottage Park being somewhat of a fortress, the West Down men could be on their way back up.

Glasdrumman won last year's division three quite convincingly. They have in their ranks the talented Connaire Harrison who has been highly impressive to date for the county senior side. Tom Potter will also be delighted with the news that Cormac Murphy is back in the fold. Sean McDowell and Raymond Magorrian are classy exponents in the forward line and with young talent in Ryan Doran, Cathal Rodgers and Shane Harrison, the Quarter Road men will still be motoring well at the business end of the season.

Saul finished runners up to Glasdrumman last year and they should be a force to be reckoned with in the months ahead. Veteran manager PJ Magee will have them firing on all cylinders. They are now reaping the rewards of one of the finest youth systems in the county which has produced new emerging talents such as Rory Mullan and the Arnold twins, Deaglán and Cathal. Throw in the experience of Adam King, Nathan Keenan, JP Burke, Michael Vint, Philip Traynor and Davy McKinley and they could be set for an historic venture into division one.


Chasing Pack

Mickey Linden is now in his second year with Shamrocks and he will be looking for the Newry side to make a real push for division one. The Shams have plenty of resources but suffer from 'town team' syndrome especially on their travels. In Jack Haughey they have a young attacker of great promise. His brother Mark is also a key component and along with the Gough's, Conal and Conor, Kevin McGuigan, John McAteer and Mark Digney they should make a real push for the top.

Mark Harte has followed in his father Mickey's footsteps and entered the world of management with Tullylish. He has taken on a team which is regarded as one of the most consistent at intermediate level in Down. Their promotion hopes could be dictated by the presence of John McAreavey. If he is able to play a full season then the Lish should motor on nicely. Defenders Joe McDermott and Niall Donnelly have been underage stars for the county in the past while on his day Gareth Johnston is one of the best midfielders in Down. Davy Corbett, Peter Quinn and Shannon Drainey are all top notch forward players.

Bosco made it all the way to last year's IFC final and they also made a good showing in the league. They will have kicked on from last year and they should be regarded as dark horses in the promotion scene this season. Ethan Toner is their star defender and along with Gavin Moan they will orchestrate a tight marking offering. Chris Duggan is a power house at midfield while the free taking excellence of Neil Tumilty and the scoring ability of Paul McKeown should see the Newry men make a big drive for the summit.

Carryduff are another of the yo-yo teams who have been hopping between division two and three for the past number of years. When they click they are very good team but they aren't always convincing on their travels. Loughinisland's Brendan Mason has taken over as manager and he will be looking to lead the Duff into division one. The presence of current Down minor's Donal McKeever and Sean McGonigle is a necessity to their progression. They will compliment a fast moving and energetic outfit which has top performers in Declan Doherty, Conor McCullough, Conal Early and the O'Neill's, Chris, Barry and Ryan.


Middle of the Road

Drumgath are a solid unit who have been revitalised under the management of former team captain Justin Lynch. He will oversee a team who could prove very difficult to beat, especially at their tight Barnmeen ground. Packie Downey still remains a thorn in the side of opposition defences while Jackie Lynch is rarely beaten in the air around the middle. Mark Connolly is a reliable free taker and strong defender and with current Down U-21 Colm Maginn in their ranks they are well primed for a productive season.

Glenn are a team that are on the verge of moving swiftly up the league ladder. They have in their arsenal a number of hugely talented minor and u-21 players. Niall McParland is one of the best players in the league and along with the Bagnall's, Liam and Matty, Denis Murtagh, Shay Millar and Ruairi McGuigan they should have enough in the tank to safely consolidate their status.

Kilclief had a disastrous season last year in division two after a historic 2011 which saw them lift the IFC. They are an ageing team now but they still possess enough know how to keep themselves afloat in this league. Liam Woods, Donnan Ritchie and Ryan Kerr are no nonsense defenders while Fintan Conway is a good ball winner at midfield. Ciaran Sloan and Ricky Kerr are forwards of the highest quality and will provide most of the opposition defences with plenty of headaches.

Johnny McComiskey is back at Ballymartin for a second stint but the team he now finds himself in charge of are a very different proposition to the one he last inherited. Emigration has deprived them of a number of their players including 2005 All Ireland minor winner Peter Fitzpatrick. Former county senior Darren O'Hanlon will lead a team that includes talent in the form of Cenk Akdeniz, James Doran, Cathal McDowell, John Fitzpatrick and the O'Hares, Ciaran and Ryan.


Battling the Drop

Darragh Cross were one of the top teams at intermediate level in the latter part of the last decade and the majority of that squad is still in place. Despite a few retirements and the absence of the Mageean's, Eoin and Padraig, the St Mochai's outfit still possess plenty of class. Marcus Miskelly is their main man up front and current Down U-21 Michael Monan along with Paddy Branney are definite scoring threats. Hugh Murray and Tom McMahon at midfield ooze experience and expertise and their contribution will be vital in keeping Darragh above water.

Dundrum had a very successful 2012 winning the JFC and division four. However, in the interim they have lost the services of talisman Paul McComiskey and a few other players to emigration. McComiskey is a cut above at this level and his scoring prowess will be sorely missed by new manager Paddy Hardy. Nevertheless the Duns still have some quality players in the form of defenders Conal McKee and John Hurley, midfielder Aaron Doyle and forwards Cormac Venney and Brendan Cunningham. Aidan Fegan and David McComiskey are two young minor prospects who will be gunning hard to keep their club in the division.

Atticall have fallen a long way since their tenure in division one not so long ago. They have had to rebuild and the process has been arduous. They face a tough assignment in maintaining their status quo but they will have been heartened by the news that midfielder Louis Sloan is fit for action. Martin Trainor and Ronan Sloan will be the linchpins of the defence while the Morgan's, Chris and Johnny, will relied upon for getting the scores. Young Ryan O'Hare is also a dangerous prospect along with Kevin Quinn.

Burren club man Sean Ward is now in his second season taking St Johns. The Drumnaquoile club have managed to keep themselves at intermediate level for the past three years and they will be hoping to sustain their standing. Conor McCombe, Darren Savage and Conor Morgan are very able defenders. The McKay brothers, Chris and Danny, are important figures around the middle while veteran Damien Murray and young Martin Keenan are consistent score getters in the attack.

Bredagh have been plying their trade in the junior ranks for the past few years. In that time they have regrouped and infused their squad with a number of young talented underage players. Kevin Doran and Paddy Willis are the pick of their defensive unit while Henry Deazley and Matthew Hollywood are two very good midfielders. Cormac and Donal Hughes are physically strong forwards with former Teconnaught man Niall Mulholland the perfect playmaker. Their star turn is county defender Owen Costello.




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Post by: Lecale2 on April 12, 2013, 05:21:06 PM
Good stuff DownFanatic!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 12, 2013, 05:22:37 PM
Quote from: downjim on April 10, 2013, 11:38:07 PM
Depriving lads of football is wrong. Thats the new CPN for you

What's the story with warrenpoint changing their name to CPN?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on April 12, 2013, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 12, 2013, 05:22:37 PM
Quote from: downjim on April 10, 2013, 11:38:07 PM
Depriving lads of football is wrong. Thats the new CPN for you

What's the story with warrenpoint changing their name to CPN?
es

Cumann Pheadair Naofa. Irish for St Peter's. Which is actually the club's name. CPN is a much smaller mouthful.
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Post by: BRIDGE LAD on April 12, 2013, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 12, 2013, 08:55:00 AM
Why was anyone even seeking a postponement of a minor game because of an U16 game? Are there not enough minors in Mayobridge? Perhaps they should play in the third division it's 13 a side there. League games are for playing, if Mayobridge could field a team they should have played. CPN well within their rights to refuse the postponement.

Seven bridge lads on the panel and only 1 eligible for u 16 club football. U 16 school is different from club ya dopey p***k. And yes they have a small squad but with seven players missing on any team would be hard to field! We arent all as successful as the great Point club! Lol!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Get your facts right before coming on and talking shite!
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Post by: dundroma on April 12, 2013, 09:28:58 PM
Kilclief 1-6
Dundrum 0-13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 12, 2013, 09:47:37 PM
Quote from: BRIDGE LAD on April 12, 2013, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 12, 2013, 08:55:00 AM
Why was anyone even seeking a postponement of a minor game because of an U16 game? Are there not enough minors in Mayobridge? Perhaps they should play in the third division it's 13 a side there. League games are for playing, if Mayobridge could field a team they should have played. CPN well within their rights to refuse the postponement.

Seven bridge lads on the panel and only 1 eligible for u 16 club football. U 16 school is different from club ya dopey p***k. And yes they have a small squad but with seven players missing on any team would be hard to field! We arent all as successful as the great Point club! Lol!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Get your facts right before coming on and talking shite!
So why was your u16 game off as well? League games are for playing. 60 lads got no football because of your mission/cemetary Sunday/broken fingernail mentality. Classy language btw
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Post by: Gaa for life on April 13, 2013, 07:11:13 AM
Castlewellan had a very comfortable win against a poor loughinisland side. It could have been a lot more had they been a bit more composed in front of goal. A good start for the town with Rory burns the pick IMO. Tough test against local rivals kilcoo next week.
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Post by: whitegoodman on April 13, 2013, 11:20:47 AM
Burren bt kilcoo with neither team playing well. Donal ohare score 4 goals and jerome Johnston gave dan McCartan plenty of trouble at the other end.

Both teams looked rusty with a lot of kick passes going astray particular by Burren but would suggest both teams will still be the ones to beat.

Results of the night were the points big win against clonduff, savals win against the bridge and downpatricks win at longstone.

Still think the new league format is a load of pants!!!!! Tops teams only getting to meet each other once and a lot of one sided matches....
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Post by: lucan on April 13, 2013, 11:50:13 AM
compliments to down finatic for  well researched interesting and objective revue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on April 14, 2013, 04:42:21 PM
Ft score
St johns 1-5
Glenn 2-7
Ht score
St johns 1-4
Glenn 2-1
St johns had win advantage first half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on April 14, 2013, 05:30:27 PM
Was just thinking that aswell Lucan..A lot of the 'key men' mentioned for various teams are no longer on the island...
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Post by: wildrover on April 15, 2013, 09:58:10 AM
Quote from: EagleLord on April 14, 2013, 05:30:27 PM
Was just thinking that aswell Lucan..A lot of the 'key men' mentioned for various teams are no longer on the island...

Of the 'key men' mentioned in that preview Conor O Toole, Jamie O Reilly, John McCarthy, Ryan Stranney and Jonathan Flynn were all playing on Friday night. Only Dan Gordon and Ben O Reilly were missing (albeit two huge losses for them).

Think they might find it tough this year, although they are usually tough enough to beat at home.
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Post by: whitegoodman on April 15, 2013, 05:20:52 PM
Was the ballyholland ford game played yesterday ??
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Post by: SHEEDY on April 15, 2013, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 15, 2013, 05:20:52 PM
Was the ballyholland ford game played yesterday ??
the b'ford match was postponed yesterday. think it was due to unplayable pitch.
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Post by: whitegoodman on April 15, 2013, 08:42:24 PM
Cheers
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 17, 2013, 11:28:45 AM
Very quiet in here recently.
Any thoughts on Round 1 games across the divisions.
Definitely a few results ye wouldnt expect, or is it just early doors yet and the bigger teams taking a bit of time to get goin??
Downpatrick goin to Longstone and taking pts was a shock id have thought.
Saval taking Mayobridge isnt as much a shock, they were bound to have taken them saying they have played so often over the last 5 years. Burren playing well within themselves and still leaving Kilcoo with an impressive win was the best start their new manager could have wished for. Clonduff losing heavily to Wpt another shock of sorts.

Any players out there that the county could be adding to their ranks to strengthen the squad or is the squad more or less finalised for the Derry game??

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Post by: southdown on April 17, 2013, 11:53:36 AM
Longstone are missing an awful lot of key men this year, mainly due to lads working away.  Downpatrick's win not really a surprise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 17, 2013, 12:04:01 PM
i hear ye, but im sure this problem is affecting all clubs throughout the country.
It seems the rural clubs have been hit hardest perhaps.
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Post by: DownFanatic on April 17, 2013, 12:38:04 PM
Although emigration has been happening for the past five years or so, I think it is now that it is really starting to hit home. Longstone being a prime example.
A lot of teams are operating on reduced squad sizes and this has a knock on effect on numbers at training etc.
Also, in East Down a lot of clubs have disbanded their Reserve teams. Ardglass, Bright, Kilclief, Dromara, Fin and St Pauls no longer have 2nds.
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Post by: ardtole on April 17, 2013, 12:59:30 PM
ardglass hit very hard with emmigration. I heard recently there are14 lads in oz  who have played for our senior team. Its tough for a relatively small club to stay as competitive with such a high loss.
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Post by: southdown on April 17, 2013, 01:07:46 PM
The Stone were doing in OK in terms of boys away for a few years compared to the likes of An Riocht etc.  But an awful lot of lads are in London and other places working.  Small clubs will definitely be hit hard as every man counts.
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Post by: 5 Sams on April 17, 2013, 02:06:39 PM
Harps are not as badly hit by emigration as other clubs but we still have 4 or 5 1st choice players away....it's the fcukin injuries that are crucifying us....I think we're jinxed.
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Post by: Down Follower on April 17, 2013, 04:04:11 PM
Quote from: southdown on April 17, 2013, 01:07:46 PM
The Stone were doing in OK in terms of boys away for a few years compared to the likes of An Riocht etc.  But an awful lot of lads are in London and other places working.  Small clubs will definitely be hit hard as every man counts.

Yes it seems to be hitting every club, e.g. at first glance it doesnt seem that Rostrevor have been too badly hit but a quick look into it reveals that they are missing some serious talent.

Eamon McConville/Colm Murney/Gary Magee - All in England - all played in Downs All Ireland Minor team of 2005, 25-26 years of age now - would be just in their prime.
Caolan Mooney - AFL - 20/21 now and probably would be flying.
Conor Mackin/Miceal Mackin - Australia - Were good options for the reds when they were playing - Conor 25, Miceal 21/22.

There are a good few other players too who could well have been playing if they had been about. It seems though it has been a gradual movement rather than one big clearout and therefore you dont realise it until you sit back and think.
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Post by: SHEEDY on April 18, 2013, 09:49:06 PM
ballyholland beat annaclone 2-8 to 2-4 tonight in div1.
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Post by: dundroma on April 19, 2013, 08:56:58 PM
Dundrum: 0-7
Carryduff: 0-8

Carryduff scored a point near the end to win it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 19, 2013, 10:03:48 PM
Glenn 1.15
Kilclief 0.06
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Post by: wildrover on April 20, 2013, 03:39:26 PM
Kilcoo 1.08 1.09 Castlewellan

Poor enough quality football from both teams in a niggly and at times cynical contest. Castlewellan showed a bit of bottle coming back from 4 pts down at half-time. Think there is a fair bit of improvement in both teams and both teams will be hoping that this is not their only meeting this year.
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Post by: Gaa for life on April 21, 2013, 08:00:18 PM
Disgraceful scenes 2day in the ACPRL between castlewellan and kilcoo. A mass brawl of around 70people involving players subs managers and supporters. Would be interesting to see the referees report
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Post by: The Raven on April 22, 2013, 12:30:52 AM
Quote from: Gaa for life on April 21, 2013, 08:00:18 PM
Disgraceful scenes 2day in the ACPRL between castlewellan and kilcoo. A mass brawl of around 70people involving players subs managers and supporters. Would be interesting to see the referees report
Tell us more, hard to beat a good row
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Post by: ranch on April 22, 2013, 03:04:36 AM
Any junior league results from this weekend?
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Post by: DaisyCutter on April 22, 2013, 01:00:45 PM
They are probably trying to get as many players football as possible at this moment in time. I pass through it everyday and there field was covered for 3 and a half weeks in March with the Snow. In fairness, I would love to see all the Div 1's club top 13 list for the craic.
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Post by: thewobbler on April 22, 2013, 01:07:52 PM
In fairness, if you use 5 subs in an Ulster final, that means 20 players were used on the day.

6 or 7 of those featuring for the reserve team wouldn't contravene the named 13 rule.

Maybe things have changed a bit in the past few years with emigration meaning smaller panels, but a few years ago all the top clubs' named 13s were either very clean or pretty clean. It's normally the smaller clubs, with a lesser pick, in which you tend to find a few retirees and long-term absentees among the 13.
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Post by: goldenyears on April 22, 2013, 01:34:36 PM
Obviously this is an issue -

A Chara
   After the last meeting of CCC it was agreed to ask all Clubs to AGAIN  provide  a true and accurate list to myself  by Tues April 9th  (not Divisional Boards in this instance)  for scrutiny by CCC.
       We would remind all Clubs of their responsibility to uphold the ethos of our Association, that due respect is paid to the Competitions been entered by your Club and to the integrity of your opponents  to ensure that as many players are given the opportunity to play Adult Football within your Club.
  1)Players out of the Country/ players who haven't played in years are appearing in these lists
  2) Players listed who have actually Transferred out of Clubs
  3) Players not in Top 13 but played Senior/Intermediate Championships in 2012
       etc are just some of the points that have been noted.
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Post by: Town Gael on April 22, 2013, 05:50:01 PM
Kilcoo had 8 men who started for their seniors on Friday night starting for their seconds on Sunday. Caatlewellan had 1 and he was in nets. I know it was a local derby but if I was a Kilcoo 2nds player who got no football this weekend while others got 2 games I'd be well peed off
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 22, 2013, 07:44:49 PM
I can assure you every adult player from Kilcoo who was available got game time this weekend. Due to a long injury list some players had to play twice. Our top 13 consists of all regular senior players for the record. We are not desperate for success at premier reserve level, I'm sure many of the guys that where forced to play twice would rather have put the feet up. Numbers dictated this yesterday. Kilcoo only want one thing and that is to win 3 down championships in 5 years! Seconds success Dosent come into it.
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Post by: DaisyCutter on April 22, 2013, 08:04:14 PM
I'm sure it doesn't MDG, as memory serves me right, yourselves and the Bridge have dominated this level of football for the past number of years with Countless league and championships between them.
Plus I also think they have a 3rds team in ACPRL 2 as well, which is very impressive.
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Post by: umpire on April 22, 2013, 08:55:29 PM
Burren have beaten both Mayobridge and Kilcoo.
Some people are saying that Burren have the league sewn up already!!
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Post by: Town Gael on April 22, 2013, 09:19:09 PM
I reckon losing to the Town on Friday might had more to do with 11 seniors getting a run on Sunday than any injury crisis- probably the biggest squad in East Down to pick from.
Wonder wht action the club will take against a supporter who supposedly has a lifee bam running onto the pitch to
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Post by: Town Gael on April 22, 2013, 09:22:40 PM
Punch a schoolboy from behind. B
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 22, 2013, 09:35:01 PM
Ha ha do u think loosing to a we club like the town in a league game will bother us. When yous win some silverware il give yous credit, in last ten years Kilcoo have been the most dominant and successful east down club and that's what is remembered. Not a league game early in the season. We will see come the business end of season, while we will be contesting for frank OHare the town lads will be preparing for another assault on the bobby dalzell cup. Recent stats prove my point.
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Post by: DaisyCutter on April 22, 2013, 09:47:22 PM
Yes umpire, Burren have looked impressive in their opening games thus far to say the least. They are breaking from deep with numbers that will test the best defences in the County.
Burren will probably run away with it at this stage but they may not win the league come November with the whole playoff malarkey, which In fairness has been embarrassing in recent years with consistent low numbers attending the final.
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Post by: Town Gael on April 22, 2013, 09:51:13 PM
Kilcoo lived in our shadow for 80 years- I will grant them their moment in the sun. You havent said how your club will deal with a racisr who runs onto a pitch to hit a schoolboy though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 22, 2013, 10:03:27 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on April 22, 2013, 09:51:13 PM
Kilcoo lived in our shadow for 80 years- I will grant them their moment in the sun. You havent said how your club will deal with a racisr who runs onto a pitch to hit a schoolboy though

As I wasn't present at the ACPR League game I cannot comment on your allegation. I think you should ensure your own club deals with their aggressors as I'm sure ours will. Cheap digs on here on individuals is easy, you shouldn't make allegations that you wouldn't say to a mans face.
I understand it must be frustrating seeing the we village adjacent 'the town' having success, especially with the pick geographically yous have had in the last 50 years. It would suit the town better to deal with their own internal problems instead of coming out with shite on here due to bitterness.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on April 22, 2013, 10:11:01 PM
That was harsh in fairness Town Gael.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on April 24, 2013, 05:04:50 PM
Does anyone know how many penalties out of the 44 did KMcK (emigration is a scourge) score?
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Post by: NP 76 on April 24, 2013, 05:10:21 PM
Think  he scored 30 out of the 44 penalties big crowd in Burren for the last penalty and for the moonlight walk. Great idea by the Mc Kernans and for a great cause well done on a great event
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on April 24, 2013, 08:45:31 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on April 24, 2013, 05:10:21 PM
Think  he scored 30 out of the 44 penalties big crowd in Burren for the last penalty and for the moonlight walk. Great idea by the Mc Kernans and for a great cause well done on a great event

Thanks
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Post by: Bridgeman12 on April 24, 2013, 10:39:14 PM
Mayobridge v Castlewellan tommorow night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bridgeman12 on April 24, 2013, 10:43:25 PM
Mid down gael, like the way you have used 'east down'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 25, 2013, 10:31:20 AM
Have the school holidays come early this year?

This place has gone to the dogs.
Used to be a place for informative debate and discussion.
Now its just a drop-in centre for idiots, reprobates and keyboard warriors.
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Post by: supersub on April 25, 2013, 10:37:37 AM
Any players who have caught the eye in the opening few league games? Not having a 'who should be called up to county' debate because if they aren't there already they won't be come cship. Just looking to see who has been performing!
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Post by: Gaa for life on April 25, 2013, 12:29:45 PM
Rory burns has had 2 good games for castlewellan although he has been substituted in both games?? Ruiari mcardle and Finty McGreevy have put in 2solid performances as usual.
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Post by: SHEEDY on April 25, 2013, 09:23:47 PM
castlewellan 2-10 mayobridge 1-13. mayobidge get off the mark with their point of the league, while the town keep their unbeaten run going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 26, 2013, 09:38:54 PM
Harps poor tonight. Saval fully deserved their 7 point win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 27, 2013, 12:04:03 PM
Lets hope my club Kilcoo can bring an all Ireland back to the county today in the AllIreland scor final.
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 29, 2013, 09:47:58 PM
ACFL DIV 1 Rostrevor 1-13 Longstone 1-7. Conor Magee the man of the match with 0-5 from play from midfield.
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Post by: NP 76 on April 29, 2013, 10:54:49 PM
MDG did Ambrose play if so how did he get on ?
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Post by: supersub on April 30, 2013, 10:04:59 AM
0-6  ;)

Ambrose came on second half, looked pretty rusty but to be expected. Stone kicked some wides last night!!
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 01, 2013, 11:09:38 PM
Nightmare for Dan Gordan and fans of Down with news of him breaking his foot again. Massive loss and an injury that's going to be hard to come back from. Very unlucky but a massive blow to our championship aspirations.
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Post by: Aristo 60 on May 02, 2013, 10:48:24 AM
Sad news. Did it happen in training? Take it same foot as before?
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Post by: qubdub on May 04, 2013, 12:48:32 AM
Must admit I'm not the most knowledgable when it comes to the lower leagues... but jesus just after seeing some of the junior results from earlier tonight... Some clubs must be close to folding, certainly getting her tight. Ballykinlar beat 4-21 to 0-2, by Killyleagh!  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on May 04, 2013, 01:40:04 AM
We played Ballyknlar in a challenge a few months ago too, surprised they're doing as poorly as this!
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Post by: wildrover on May 09, 2013, 10:41:36 PM
An Riocht 1-08 3-19 Castlewellan

Entertaining enough game. Good hard-working team performance from Castlewellan. Referee let play go in the slippery conditions meaning there was plenty of physicality.

Good wins for Kilcoo (V Clonduff) Longstone (v Bryansford) and Saval (v Downpatrick).

Can anybody confirm when the 'starred games' kick in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 11, 2013, 04:15:00 PM
Caolan Mooney apparently made a big impact for Collingwood earlier today, coming off the bench  to score an important goal against Freemantle but then picking up what was reported as a serious looking knee injury. He had replaced Martin Clarke, who pulled a hamstring. As both seem to be established in the first team squad, we can forget about seeing them in a Down jersey for the forseeable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 11, 2013, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 11, 2013, 04:15:00 PM
Caolan Mooney apparently made a big impact for Collingwood earlier today, coming off the bench  to score an important goal against Freemantle but then picking up what was reported as a serious looking knee injury. He had replaced Martin Clarke, who pulled a hamstring. As both seem to be established in the first team squad, we can forget about seeing them in a Down jersey for the forseeable.

Seems to be jinx on Down players no matter where they are in the world. >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on May 13, 2013, 12:41:01 PM
Castlewellan 0.11 1.01 Ballyholland

Kevin Duffin was excellent in a scrappy win against an ultra-defensive Ballyholland outfit. Without Ronan Murtagh as an outlet in full-forward  their gameplan becomes completely ineffective. Paul Murphy battled hard around the middle before being sent off. Conditions were poor and overall the game never really got going.

Elsewhere, Clonduff had a good win v Mayobridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on May 23, 2013, 01:18:01 PM
Did anyone get to the big meeting on our future at the Canal Court last night? Invited ex County players were invited to give there opinion on how to improve the standard of football and Hurling for the near future. 
Championship Draws tonight in Canal Court also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 23, 2013, 09:37:31 PM
senior championship draw:

group a; mayobridge, saval, rostrevor and warrenpoint
group b; burren, bryansford, an riocht and ballyholland
group c; clonduff, castlewellan, liatriom and annaclone
group d; kilcoo, longstone, Downpatrick and loughinisland

top 2 from each group go through to 1/4 finals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 24, 2013, 09:40:24 AM
Very quiet in here recently! Is there anywhere to view full championship draws from last night for each level? Interesting to see Burren and Bryansford in the same group, as well as ourselves and the Point for obvious reasons. I think only group b is where you would expect the two top seeds to come out for deff (although An Rioct and B'holland will have something to say about that).

In addition, don't see a draw for Rostrevor in the Premier Reserve on Twitter? Anyone know what the story is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on May 24, 2013, 09:31:03 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 23, 2013, 09:37:31 PM
senior championship draw:

group a; mayobridge, saval, rostrevor and warrenpoint
group b; burren, bryansford, an riocht and ballyholland
group c; clonduff, castlewellan, liatriom and annaclone
group d; kilcoo, longstone, Downpatrick and loughinisland

top 2 from each group go through to 1/4 finals.
Good draw for the Town I think. Can't wait for it to start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 26, 2013, 06:32:25 PM
I hear there was another total embarassment of a draw for the championships in the Canal Court.  Was it 3 bowls of 4 teams or 4 bowls of 3 teams?  Just before the full time paid secretary was about to go ahead with 3 bowls they elected to change to 4 bowls . . . . . . .  no no no stop, it should be 3 bowls like we thought - what an absolutely incompetent way of doing things.  How hard would have been to have a trial run before the live draw to ensure the organisation of the actual draw was perfect.  We should have learned from our past draws but obviously our full time paid secretary hasn't learned from his previous c**k ups!

What do these guys actually do?  Our secretary is a joke - he absolutely epitomises the 'Down Way' (his words) of doing things and with a bunch of jokers around him who are supposed organise development squads and courses for coaches, is it any wonder we are light years behind many other counties in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on May 26, 2013, 08:21:34 PM
what about the champ. draw for div; 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 26, 2013, 08:36:19 PM
Quote from: lucan on May 26, 2013, 08:21:34 PM
what about the champ. draw for div; 2

The intermediate football championship groups are -
Group A: Carryduff, Saul, Darragh Cross, St. John's.
Group B: Clan na Banna, Glasdrumman, Glenn, Bredagh.
Group C: Newry Shamrocks, Drumgath, Ballymartin, Dundrum. Group D: Kilclief, Tullylish, Bosco, Attical.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on May 27, 2013, 12:25:42 PM
thanks charley [should have phoned you]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 27, 2013, 01:40:33 PM
Any dates?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on May 27, 2013, 02:01:54 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on May 26, 2013, 06:32:25 PM
I hear there was another total embarassment of a draw for the championships in the Canal Court.  Was it 3 bowls of 4 teams or 4 bowls of 3 teams?  Just before the full time paid secretary was about to go ahead with 3 bowls they elected to change to 4 bowls . . . . . . .  no no no stop, it should be 3 bowls like we thought - what an absolutely incompetent way of doing things.  How hard would have been to have a trial run before the live draw to ensure the organisation of the actual draw was perfect.  We should have learned from our past draws but obviously our full time paid secretary hasn't learned from his previous c**k ups!

What do these guys actually do?  Our secretary is a joke - he absolutely epitomises the 'Down Way' (his words) of doing things and with a bunch of jokers around him who are supposed organise development squads and courses for coaches, is it any wonder we are light years behind many other counties in Ulster.

Following on from this sentiment does anyone know much about the advert that was placed in serveral papers calling on ex county squad members to come to a meeting to discuss the way forward in Down?

Did this really need adverts in the province wide Irish News newspaper? Do the DCB not have contact details for the vast majority of the relevant people that we wouldn't have needed a probably expensive advertising campaign?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on May 27, 2013, 07:53:06 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on May 27, 2013, 02:01:54 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on May 26, 2013, 06:32:25 PM
I hear there was another total embarassment of a draw for the championships in the Canal Court.  Was it 3 bowls of 4 teams or 4 bowls of 3 teams?  Just before the full time paid secretary was about to go ahead with 3 bowls they elected to change to 4 bowls . . . . . . .  no no no stop, it should be 3 bowls like we thought - what an absolutely incompetent way of doing things.  How hard would have been to have a trial run before the live draw to ensure the organisation of the actual draw was perfect.  We should have learned from our past draws but obviously our full time paid secretary hasn't learned from his previous c**k ups!

What do these guys actually do?  Our secretary is a joke - he absolutely epitomises the 'Down Way' (his words) of doing things and with a bunch of jokers around him who are supposed organise development squads and courses for coaches, is it any wonder we are light years behind many other counties in Ulster.

Following on from this sentiment does anyone know much about the advert that was placed in serveral papers calling on ex county squad members to come to a meeting to discuss the way forward in Down?

Did this really need adverts in the province wide Irish News newspaper? Do the DCB not have contact details for the vast majority of the relevant people that we wouldn't have needed a probably expensive advertising campaign?

Well said, we may as well told everyone in Ulster we havn't a clue and going by the comments above it could be true
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on May 28, 2013, 09:59:17 PM
Very true The Raven, it was a very embarrassing moment once again for our CB! Would our local weekly papers not have done the same job or even by contacting every clubs PRO?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on May 30, 2013, 04:15:08 PM
More DCB nonsense last night when I turned up to purchase 8 tickets at Park Elser.

Despite them having communicated the times that tickets could be purchased the county rep had departed his post. I know he was there as the friendly bar man told me he had gone home early.

Cheers County Board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on May 30, 2013, 08:59:55 PM
1 Brendan McVeigh
2 Dan McCartan
3 Brendan McArdle
4 Ryan Boyle
5 Declan Rooney
6 Peter Turley
7 Keith Quinn
8 Ambrose Rogers
9 Kevin McKernan
10 Niall Madine
11 Mark Poland
12 Benny Coulter
13 Donal O'Hare
14 Kalum King
15 Conor Laverty

Interesting selection. Expected Ryan Mallon to start. Niall Madine will probably play closer to goal, with King coming out the field?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 31, 2013, 09:00:22 AM
Did Madine play many league games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on May 31, 2013, 10:54:56 PM
Following on from this sentiment does anyone know much about the advert that was placed in serveral papers calling on ex county squad members to come to a meeting to discuss the way forward in Down?

Did this really need adverts in the province wide Irish News newspaper? Do the DCB not have contact details for the vast majority of the relevant people that we wouldn't have needed a probably expensive advertising campaign?

Havent yet met anyone who was at this meting or knows what it was about.
It suggests a disconnet between our administrators and our ex-players which maybe could be adressed by forming a standing ex-players association. Such an organisation could have both a social purpose and also act as a consultative body for the good of Down. Failing that at least the county should have a contact database ofall former players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on June 01, 2013, 12:17:10 AM
Quote from: Leo on May 31, 2013, 10:54:56 PM
Following on from this sentiment does anyone know much about the advert that was placed in serveral papers calling on ex county squad members to come to a meeting to discuss the way forward in Down?

Did this really need adverts in the province wide Irish News newspaper? Do the DCB not have contact details for the vast majority of the relevant people that we wouldn't have needed a probably expensive advertising campaign?

Havent yet met anyone who was at this meting or knows what it was about.
It suggests a disconnet between our administrators and our ex-players which maybe could be adressed by forming a standing ex-players association. Such an organisation could have both a social purpose and also act as a consultative body for the good of Down. Failing that at least the county should have a contact database ofall former players.

Leo, I am going to create a thread that will give a bit more info on these meetings - part of a consultative process.
(and just for the record, I am not on the county board or have any connections, just a stand in for the representative of our club)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on June 02, 2013, 07:33:19 PM
Our thoughts and prayers go out to the O'Hare family, Dromara Gac & gaaboard member Western Exile on the passing of Kevin. Rest in peace
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 02, 2013, 09:07:24 PM
Quote from: The Raven on June 02, 2013, 07:33:19 PM
Our thoughts and prayers go out to the O'Hare family, Dromara Gac & gaaboard member Western Exile on the passing of Kevin. Rest in peace
+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 03, 2013, 11:17:35 AM
Is it just my imagination or do the media really have a begrudgery towards Down? Spillane said we were lucky. He says we were lucky cos if Bradley had scored the goal we would have been dead and buried, but doesn't seem to notice that if O'Hare had got the second then Derry could have been annihilated. So this is the way it seems to me:

Look I know we are not in the top consideration for All-Ireland honours and fair enough. But we are a top 8 side, we are a genuine quarter finalist standard and I feel we are continually disrespected. Yesterday showed a team that has played in Divsion 1 for three years against a team that has played in Divsion 2 for three years. When it really mattered the lads opened Derry up. We beat them in their own ground by five points and deserve respect for that. Only 2-3 teams in Ireland deserve to be confident when playing against us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on June 03, 2013, 11:53:47 AM
Well said.  Im sick and tired of hearing about Kildare, can't see why they are rated so highly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on June 03, 2013, 12:12:08 PM
I would agree with a lot of what Paul says. There's talk about Down only being in the game because Bradley missed that chance and should have scored it. No mention of a great save by the keeper. O'Hare was very close to a goal too with his palmed effort and hit the post which these guys seem to forget about.

I'm not sure but did Down not change the spare man in the 2nd half? I know Down bossed midfield but the few times the ball got near Bradley he was wlel bottled up. The no. 6 who played the spare man in the first half was at McHugh said far too far away from Bradley so Derry could cut him out of it. I thought Down corrected that at half time - Bradley struggled with the first few balls and this lifted Down after it.

McKernan showed a lot of character. He was clearly wrecked but just drove himself on continuously.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 03, 2013, 12:13:40 PM
It really was a brilliant save. I jumped out of my seat.

Bradley hammered it, and anything less of a hand on it wouldn't have been enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on June 03, 2013, 12:24:55 PM
People also forget that Madine should have palmed a goal to the net in the minutes before Bradley's chance, would have been a completely different game had that gone in.  All ifs and buts...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 03, 2013, 03:49:02 PM
Talking about Kildare.  Im sick of hearing about Bennys square ball that day. Yet in the same game Gary White I think took 8 or 9 steps in the lead up to the Kildare goal. Its never mentioned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 03, 2013, 07:39:48 PM
I'm a bit tired of the Kildare love-in too but I think PaulD is a bit harsh on Spillane as he was pretty wholesome in his praise of us when I watched the recording of the game last night.
It was a great day out yesterday with many similarities to 94. The quality may not have been as good but the commitment from most players was. The goals from Poly and O'Hare were jump up moments, just like Ciaran Mc Cabe's net-rattler, but I suppose most of us realised back then that we were in with a good shout of the All-Ireland whereas now we would probably settle for a last 8 .
Some good summaries on here and I agree with those who highlighted Kalum King's contribution - I would guess that James knows his value more than most. At the start of the league I thought we would be second favourite in every game and this will continue against Donegal so we will give it a lash again. The defence had a good game in the league in Ballybofey and we were more competitive than Tyrone last week so there must be a chance if only a slim one. I think James and co believe that we can beat them and if the team believes then so must we.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 04, 2013, 07:06:57 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 03, 2013, 07:39:48 PM
.... whereas now we would probably settle for a last 8.....

I personally think that anything less than last 8 would be a failure. I would settle for last 4. That would show progress. Of course we may need a little luck in the draw to get there but so far in the qualifiers there is not one team that I think would be a major worry. The best team there is Tyrone and I think we are more than capable of competing with them.

I wouldn't settle for last 8 I think it should be our bare minimum.

By the way. Next time out we should have Danny & Carr available, Ambrose fitter and O'Hare too. Apart from the (huge) loss of Big Dan we are better now than last year. Plus the players have a point to prove against a team they basically capitulated to last year. Of course we fear a runaway score because we have one or two almost every year Cork 2011 (league & Championship), Donegal & Mayo 2012 (championship), Dublin 2013 (league). But it is far guaranteed that it will keep happening. If the players believe in themselves and stick to management plans, then we should be much closer at the end and we have plenty of skill in the forward line, plus they looked fitter in the last 10 against Derry than any other game since 2010.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Marshes on June 04, 2013, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 03, 2013, 11:17:35 AM
Is it just my imagination or do the media really have a begrudgery towards Down? Spillane said we were lucky. He says we were lucky cos if Bradley had scored the goal we would have been dead and buried, but doesn't seem to notice that if O'Hare had got the second then Derry could have been annihilated. So this is the way it seems to me:

  • If we lose then it is because we are no good
  • If we win then it is because the other team underperfromed or we were lucky
  • If we recover from a deficit then we are lucky that we weren't dead and buried already.
    When Donegal power to a final quarter lead it is their superior fitness, and playing their best when it counts. When we did it it we were supposedly fortunate to be in the game and it is dismissed as something that shouldn't have happened anyway.
  • If Donegal outscore the opposition 2-05 to 0-01 then it is a period where Donegal tuned up the pressure and showed their class, if we do it then it is just because the opposition played beneath "turned off", not because we were any good.
  • Kildare struggle against a mid-table division 4 side it's because they are just "finding their feet" in this year's championship, but when we struggle for 25 minutes against the champions of division 2, we are showing our true form!
  • Despite us only ever going out to Cork and Mayo since James took over we are no-where near a top 8 side, but Kildare are "probably top 4"

Look I know we are not in the top consideration for All-Ireland honours and fair enough. But we are a top 8 side, we are a genuine quarter finalist standard and I feel we are continually disrespected. Yesterday showed a team that has played in Divsion 1 for three years against a team that has played in Divsion 2 for three years. When it really mattered the lads opened Derry up. We beat them in their own ground by five points and deserve respect for that. Only 2-3 teams in Ireland deserve to be confident when playing against us.

Some of this is a lazy critique from commentators/summarisers. The same happens in all sports - golf- Tiger wins because he is superior; anyone else wins it's because Tiger was having a bad day; Man Utd win it's because they are great and Ferguson is great; Man City or Chelsea win its because Utd had a poor season etc etc.

What I was encouraged with on Sunday is that they had a plan b for the 2nd half. Both teams had great footballers on show but Down looked the hungrier and the fittest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on June 04, 2013, 11:01:02 AM
What can James learn/change from last years thrashing by Donegal?

I for one would not be surprised to see King or Ambrose at the edge of the square.  If we play our normal game we will be bottled up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 04, 2013, 05:59:18 PM
a few of us at work were talking today about players that wee james didn't have available due to either injury or emigration.  james deserves a lot of credit for keeping down in the top 8 teams in the country when you see the team that could have been available.

players only picked that played senior football for down since the all ireland final that were injured for last sunday or have emigrated.
                                               
                       michael  mcallister

Darren o hagan   connor garvey   Damien rafferty

aiden carr         james colgan   niall mc parland

            peter Fitzpatrick       dan Gordon

caolan mooney     marty Clarke    danny hughes

connor magin     Arthur mcconville   paul mccommiskey

im sure theres probably some obvious players we forgot about, but still not a bad team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 04, 2013, 06:18:15 PM
Liam Doyle would have to be in there in either the half back or the half forward line. He could also take frees and, if fully fit, might even captain the side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 04, 2013, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 04, 2013, 06:18:15 PM
Liam Doyle would have to be in there in either the half back or the half forward line. He could also take frees and, if fully fit, might even captain the side.
liam doyle was in the team we had picked instead of mcparland. cant believe I forgot him. knew there would be one. he would be a definite starter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 04, 2013, 09:31:34 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 04, 2013, 06:24:05 PM
Liam doyle was in the team we had picked instead of mcparland. cant believe I forgot him. knew there would be one. he would be a definite starter.

Personally I keep McParland and put in Doyle instead of Colgan, who I never felt made it. Rafferty would be long in the tooth now, but there is always Timmy Hanna (who made himself unavailable??). Also Shay McCartan would be figuring by now if not departed for soccer. I know officially Ronan Murtagh retired but it was really just because of persistent injury.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 04, 2013, 10:02:28 PM
Ah, Liam Doyle

Such a brilliant talent, but I wonder what age Doyler will be when we finally give up hope of seeing him in a Down shirt. He's actually only a year younger than Damien Rafferty.

The only 1999 Minor who featured on Sunday was Benny, who was probably the youngest of that group. I think he might actually be the only one on the panel.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 04, 2013, 10:12:30 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 04, 2013, 10:02:28 PM
Ah, Liam Doyle

Such a brilliant talent, but I wonder what age Doyler will be when we finally give up hope of seeing him in a Down shirt. He's actually only a year younger than Damien Rafferty.

The only 1999 Minor who featured on Sunday was Benny, who was probably the youngest of that group. I think he might actually be the only one on the panel.

Michael Walsh was physio for the minors ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 04, 2013, 10:33:18 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 04, 2013, 09:31:34 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 04, 2013, 06:24:05 PM
Liam doyle was in the team we had picked instead of mcparland. cant believe I forgot him. knew there would be one. he would be a definite starter.

Personally I keep McParland and put in Doyle instead of Colgan, who I never felt made it. Rafferty would be long in the tooth now, but there is always Timmy Hanna (who made himself unavailable??). Also Shay McCartan would be figuring by now if not departed for soccer. I know officially Ronan Murtagh retired but it was really just because of persistent injury.

Murtagh never retired james just does not pick him yet he is consistently on of the best forwards in down. Conceding 1-15 against a very poor derry side does not bode well for the donegal game. we should think about playing 12 players behind the ball and try to beat them at their own game otherwise it will be a walkover.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on June 05, 2013, 08:03:58 PM
I see Shea McCartan is in the senior squad-anybody know how he has been doing for Glenn in the league this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on June 05, 2013, 09:53:51 PM
Is he in the squad?  I thought he had resigned for Burnley?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 05, 2013, 10:12:01 PM
Quote from: washed_up on June 05, 2013, 08:03:58 PM
I see Shea McCartan is in the senior squad-anybody know how he has been doing for Glenn in the league this year?
shea mccartan isn't in the down squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 05, 2013, 11:37:53 PM
Shea McCartan was listed in the Down squad in the official programme on Sunday - has he subsequently left ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on June 06, 2013, 02:52:59 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 05, 2013, 11:37:53 PM
Shea McCartan was listed in the Down squad in the official programme on Sunday - has he subsequently left ?
That was shea McArdle .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 06, 2013, 08:10:35 AM
Shea mc Cartan was named in the pen pics on Sunday. I would love to see him involved a very direct player with lightening speed a good addition if he is involved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 06, 2013, 09:08:32 AM
There was a mistake somehow in the program. Shay was asked about it on his twitter account and said that it was not true and didn't know where the rumor had come from. Pity would be great to see such a skillful player pull on the red&black, especially as he now has two years professional training behind him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 06, 2013, 10:20:56 AM
Shea McCardle was on the bench for Down on Sunday, brother of Anton McCardle, he is the other corner forward (along with O'Hare) from Burren. This is where the confusion has come from.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on June 06, 2013, 11:14:57 AM
Speaking of mcardles I think ruiari Mcardle from castlewellan has been having a great season and is someone who I think could push for a starting place with the county seniors. I'm not just saying that as he's a fellow club man. He's strong athletic quick a great reader of the game and can play football. IMO he's a better opinion at full back than benny Mcardle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 06, 2013, 12:44:45 PM
Schools all finished already??

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 06, 2013, 01:02:33 PM
Quote from: Gaa for life on June 06, 2013, 11:14:57 AM
Speaking of mcardles I think ruiari Mcardle from castlewellan has been having a great season and is someone who I think could push for a starting place with the county seniors. I'm not just saying that as he's a fellow club man. He's strong athletic quick a great reader of the game and can play football. IMO he's a better opinion at full back than benny Mcardle.

And would you be saying the same if he were not so?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on June 06, 2013, 02:07:18 PM
I'd have to be honest and say I don't no if I would be saying it if I was from a different club as i would only get to see him play once r teice a year, but as I have watched all of castlewellans games this year I'm making a genuine comment on the lad. He's been a solid performer for the town over the past 5 r 6 years. And so far this year i think hes been outstanding.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 06, 2013, 04:36:07 PM
Just in case of any confusion, Shea McArdle and Shea McCartan were both named as squad members in the official programme on Sunday. McCartan's reference included his club, age, height and weight, so there is no question that he had simply been mixed up with McArdle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NedFlanders on June 07, 2013, 10:18:59 AM
Hearing strong vibes that Breffni Park could be the destination in a few weeks time lads..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on June 07, 2013, 11:00:48 PM
Mayobridge 1-6 Kilcoo 0-16.
Entertaining game at Eoghain Rua Park where the Magpies made a kind donation to Joe Brolly and Shane Finnegan afterwards for there worthy cause.
Pity about the weather...😝
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 07, 2013, 11:48:22 PM
Breffni it is!

Rostrevor 0-10 Annaclone 0-12 tonight - we had enough chances to win 5 games, some wayward shooting which they punished in the second half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 08, 2013, 10:35:51 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 07, 2013, 11:48:22 PM
Breffni it is!

Rostrevor 0-10 Annaclone 0-12 tonight - we had enough chances to win 5 games, some wayward shooting which they punished in the second half.

annaclone are flying, c***ts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 10, 2013, 12:01:04 PM
Well done the hurlers for a good, hard earned victory in the Christy Ring final on saturday, pretty decent support down for them as well, a couple of buses from the ards as well as the point and Liatroim.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 10, 2013, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 10, 2013, 12:01:04 PM
Well done the hurlers for a good, hard earned victory in the Christy Ring final on saturday, pretty decent support down for them as well, a couple of buses from the ards as well as the point and Liatroim.
It was a great day out and a great match!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 10, 2013, 09:36:26 PM
Harps had a good win in Hilltown despite an umpire and a ref who might as well have been wearin Yella >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 10, 2013, 09:54:54 PM
Surely Mickey Kearney would have evened it up 5sams, is he still umpire with you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on June 10, 2013, 10:14:14 PM
Are mass defences ruining our game?? We will see it in just less than two weeks when we entertain Donegal. Is success that important that we don't coach people to be spontaneous instead of robots?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 10, 2013, 10:32:09 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 10, 2013, 09:54:54 PM
Surely Mickey Kearney would have evened it up 5sams, is he still umpire with you.
Mickey hasn't officiated in quite a while ;D He was some boy alright....but there's blatant and then there's BLATANT


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 11, 2013, 08:12:45 AM
Was at that game last night 5 SAMs and I don't think I ever saw a worse decision in my life. It near tipped alot of players over the edge in an already tension filled second half. Murtagh rolled back the years to make up near 3/4 of a pitch to get on to the end of that great pass by the sub for the last score. Great result for Harps
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 11, 2013, 09:42:49 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 10, 2013, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 10, 2013, 12:01:04 PM
Well done the hurlers for a good, hard earned victory in the Christy Ring final on saturday, pretty decent support down for them as well, a couple of buses from the ards as well as the point and Liatroim.
It was a great day out and a great match!


It was a close and entralling match, but a lot of the Down lads were below par IMO, Woods was outstanding at centre back and kept Down in the game for most of the first half when Kerry looked to be pulling away. A few other lads started to get into the game before half time with Micky Ennis starting to get on top of his man when swapped with Finty. Donal Hughes is a son of his Da's alright, might lack a bit of Dannys speed though, but similar stride that eats up the ground. Cougie moving into the halfback line also steadied the ship and helped stem the flow into a struggling fullback line.

Would like to have seen Sheehan brought out a bit for Danny Toner as Dannys best work is always inside the 21 yard line, and Sheehan would have given us another option from puck outs. The two corner forwards never got much ball, well intended ball, maybe the odd scrap. At the other end the kilkenny lad was putting the ball on a plate for the two Kerry corner forwards who caused problems all day. Ben Toner got lucky a few times and his fitness was always a worry as you don't puncture a lung and recover properly in 3 weeks..

In all that's a pretty young team, Dule is 29/30 at a push, Cougie maybe 30, Magic is 28, Woods, the Toners, Nicholsons, the Hughes (from the alley and Bredagh) would all be in their early to mid 20's at best.
McGarry and Jonny McCusker, who came on and scored a great point, would probably be a bit older, but not much, so hopefully their better days are ahead of them.

Down minors were in Dublin as well that morning, played a dublin development squad and got beat by 2 points AFAIK. Good experience for them as Dublin are very strong at these age groups now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on June 11, 2013, 09:49:44 AM
Was at the game in Hilltown last night and it was hard to watch. The score was 0-6 to 0-6 with about 5 mins remaining. It was a dire affair with Ballyholland playing with 14 men in their own half and Clonduff countlessly unable to penetrate it. Now off course Ballyholland will say they got their win which is what they wanted but from a supporters point off view it is horrible to watch. Down and Derry showed how it should be played. Would much rather see teams go toe to toe and give an honest account of themselves. On another note I think some referees are just not fit for senior football and this was very evident last night. He totally lost control of the game. And then we had your man who trains Ballyholland, he spent more time running about on the pitch than some of the players. I really do think his antics are an embarrassment to any team he is with. All in all it was a poor game played by 2 poor teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on June 11, 2013, 10:17:29 AM
Downup...another key board warrior! If your gona slate a man on here you might as well go the full hog and name him instead of referring to him as  "your man who trains ballyholland"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on June 11, 2013, 11:37:16 AM
5 Sams - I thought the ref was very biased in favour of Ballyholland. They seemed to win frees a whole lot easier, and some very cynical fouling went unpunished, particularly in the first half when Ballyholland played against the wind.
I dont think I have seen this ref officiate in Div 1, and agree with previous poster about his ability to keep control of the game.
Regarding the point that never was - agree with 5 Sams that this was wide, but surely the Ballyholland players shouldnt be rushing in and pushing an umpire - it looked at one stage like 3 players were man-handling him.
Was there a similar incident involving the linesman on the Clonduff side as well?
Pretty poor game, but I'm sure Ballyholland are happy with a deserved 2 points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 11, 2013, 11:59:53 AM
Quote from: Rodders88 on June 11, 2013, 10:17:29 AM
Downup...another key board warrior! If your gona slate a man on here you might as well go the full hog and name him instead of referring to him as  "your man who trains ballyholland"

His name is Stephen Poacher and "as for his antics"...he was only doing what Jerome Johnstone does for Down and Paddy Tally does for Derry. Perfectly within the rules.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on June 11, 2013, 12:04:28 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 11, 2013, 11:59:53 AM
Quote from: Rodders88 on June 11, 2013, 10:17:29 AM
Downup...another key board warrior! If your gona slate a man on here you might as well go the full hog and name him instead of referring to him as  "your man who trains ballyholland"

His name is Stephen Poacher and "as for his antics"...he was only doing what Jerome Johnstone does for Down and Paddy Tally does for Derry. Perfectly within the rules.

Totally agree 5 sams.... Poacher wasn't doing anything wrong!!! Seems a lot of people in the county love getting in wee digs at him whenever they can!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on June 11, 2013, 12:16:56 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on June 11, 2013, 11:37:16 AM
5 Sams - I thought the ref was very biased in favour of Ballyholland. They seemed to win frees a whole lot easier, and some very cynical fouling went unpunished, particularly in the first half when Ballyholland played against the wind.
I dont think I have seen this ref officiate in Div 1, and agree with previous poster about his ability to keep control of the game.
Regarding the point that never was - agree with 5 Sams that this was wide, but surely the Ballyholland players shouldnt be rushing in and pushing an umpire - it looked at one stage like 3 players were man-handling him.
Was there a similar incident involving the linesman on the Clonduff side as well?
Pretty poor game, but I'm sure Ballyholland are happy with a deserved 2 points

Leonardo - the ref last night is probably the worst ref in the county. The amount of rows he causes with some of his decisions is laughable. As for the umpire, he brought it all on himself. If he's not gona call the thing right then he shouldn't be doing it in the first place. Good job Ballyholland went on and won the as if they had of been beat or drew the game id say all hell would of broke lose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 11, 2013, 12:26:26 PM
Catch yourselves on lads.
The behaviour and language of some 'managers' or 'coaches' along the lines at club games these days leaves alot to be desired.
If ye cant behave yourself along the line without acting the maggot then ye shouldnt be there, simple as.
Some people have previous form and leave them selves open to criticism.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on June 11, 2013, 12:50:23 PM
I must have another look at the rules again - on the pitch at every opportunity, running up and down his own line like a maniac, running 50 yards into opposition umpire to give him a mouthful (yes the umpire was most definitely wrong), taking balls off young fellas behind the goals to the dugout so time could be wasted at a score or wide. My understanding is that the actual rules are in place for county football at dedicated breaks in play where Jerome overdoes it and our county bring these rules in for our club championship matches and that's it. A man like that running about the pitch like that will only lead to confrontation in league matches. I am commenting on what I seen. I do agree that a lot of side line managements behaviour leaves a lot to be desired but I think this mans behaviour takes the biscuit. And 5 SAMS if a lot of people are getting wee digs in at him then there must be a reason for it. I don't see too many other people receiving those digs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 11, 2013, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: downup on June 11, 2013, 12:50:23 PM
IAnd 5 SAMS if a lot of people are getting wee digs in at him then there must be a reason for it. I don't see too many other people receiving those digs.

Show me where I said that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on June 11, 2013, 12:58:56 PM
Apologies 5 SAMS, I'm a man and cant do 2 things at once, it was RODDERS88.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on June 11, 2013, 01:30:01 PM
Rodders - Totally agree that the ball was wide but I know that the umpire wouldnt have form with these type of decisions - you know the sort that I'm talking about - every decision goes the way of his club.
On another note, what did you think of the refs decisions ( or have I got my yellow tinted glasses on). I just felt that Clonduff had to work very hard to get their frees.
I would like to congratulate the ref however in the way he gave advantage to the player on the ball that was surrounded by 3 or 4 defenders - most refs blow up the ball carrier for "too long". Its good to see a high catch been rewarded with a bit of an advantage when he hits the ground and gets surrounded. (You could see how frustrated the defending players were though)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on June 11, 2013, 01:51:21 PM
Leonardo - Yea I know the sort you are talking about, every club has them and it pisses me off that the do it. The umpires should be calling it straight and if they won't then they shouldn't be doing it. Clubs should be putting people forward who will call it right because its causes some rows when they don't.  But if i remember right, Murtagh had a point in the first half and the same umpire called it wide and the ref didn't give it.

Your right and I'll give him some credit for for giving the player on the ball the advantage. Thought overall he was bad for both teams, was a lot of off the ball stuff which I think he contributed too with some of his decisions. Seen him ref a few games and they all seem to pan out the same way. Fair play to him for putting himself forward and being a ref as it something i wouldn't do but he clearly is not up to and shouldn't be taking charge of Senior games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on June 12, 2013, 08:57:37 AM
Sentence over - Is this new league structure really that effective?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on June 12, 2013, 12:57:54 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 02, 2013, 09:07:24 PM
Quote from: The Raven on June 02, 2013, 07:33:19 PM
Our thoughts and prayers go out to the O'Hare family, Dromara Gac & gaaboard member Western Exile on the passing of Kevin. Rest in peace
+1
Thank you both.
Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34587504/KevinDownDevelopmentSquad.jpg) Photo of Kevin is courtesy of the Down GAA Juvenile Development Squad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 15, 2013, 12:28:05 PM
Some weird results in division one last night. Burren had a shocking first half v the ford but conditions were terrible. What sort of team did kilcoo have out v the kingdom??? Annnaclone and ballyholland are doing well at the minute. What happened the bridge last night, are rostrevor  really that bad as the bridge as a club are in decline big time??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on June 15, 2013, 12:52:13 PM
well done jim,  you are coming on well at the old england.  really pleased for you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on June 15, 2013, 02:15:45 PM
Longstone 1-08 0-18 Castlewellan

Thursday nights game was an entertaining enough affair despite both teams being weakened, with Longstone missing Mark Poland, Ambrose Rodgers and Ryan Kelly and Castlewellan missing Kevin Duffin, Liam McKibben and Michael Cunningham. The strong Wind was a factor and Castlewellan probably used it that bit better with direct ball in to big target men. The pitch was in notably poor condition.

Town's best players were Rory Brogan, Ruairi McCardle and Conall Corrigan while Longstone's Stevie Doran and Conor Smyth were to the fore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on June 15, 2013, 09:52:36 PM
Quote from: western exile on June 12, 2013, 12:57:54 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 02, 2013, 09:07:24 PM
Quote from: The Raven on June 02, 2013, 07:33:19 PM
Our thoughts and prayers go out to the O'Hare family, Dromara Gac & gaaboard member Western Exile on the passing of Kevin. Rest in peace
+1
Thank you both.
Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34587504/KevinDownDevelopmentSquad.jpg) Photo of Kevin is courtesy of the Down GAA Juvenile Development Squad

Deepest sympathies from all at Naomh Pol Ard Mhic Nasca

Ar dheis De go raibh a anam
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on June 17, 2013, 02:26:28 PM
Surprised there hasn't been any mention of the tragic passing of Newry Mitchell's man Kevin Bell following an accident in New York.

May he Rest in Piece.

There are a number of fundraising efforts being organised to help raise funds to assist with the return of Kevin's body. Maybe someone could post the details on here. They have been tweeted by a number of well known GAA players over the past few hours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 17, 2013, 04:20:53 PM
Quote from: behind the wire on June 17, 2013, 02:26:28 PM
Surprised there hasn't been any mention of the tragic passing of Newry Mitchell's man Kevin Bell following an accident in New York.

May he Rest in Piece.

There are a number of fundraising efforts being organised to help raise funds to assist with the return of Kevin's body. Maybe someone could post the details on here. They have been tweeted by a number of well known GAA players over the past few hours.

http://thelateandgreatkevinbell.blogspot.co.uk/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 17, 2013, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 15, 2013, 12:28:05 PM
Some weird results in division one last night. Burren had a shocking first half v the ford but conditions were terrible. What sort of team did kilcoo have out v the kingdom??? Annnaclone and ballyholland are doing well at the minute. What happened the bridge last night, are rostrevor  really that bad as the bridge as a club are in decline big time??
Here Jim, anytime your over at our club this year when your club is getting a lend of our ground I will give you a tour around Downs oldest club and I will let you see for yourself how much decline we are in  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 17, 2013, 10:57:05 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 15, 2013, 12:28:05 PM
Some weird results in division one last night. Burren had a shocking first half v the ford but conditions were terrible. What sort of team did kilcoo have out v the kingdom??? Annnaclone and ballyholland are doing well at the minute. What happened the bridge last night, are rostrevor  really that bad as the bridge as a club are in decline big time??

Catch yourself on chap you are embarrassing yourself. Very bad night for the reds and some wonderful shooting especially first half from the bridge. No doubt when the reds have 6/7 main men back they will be a different proposition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on June 18, 2013, 11:14:57 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 17, 2013, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 15, 2013, 12:28:05 PM
Some weird results in division one last night. Burren had a shocking first half v the ford but conditions were terrible. What sort of team did kilcoo have out v the kingdom??? Annnaclone and ballyholland are doing well at the minute. What happened the bridge last night, are rostrevor  really that bad as the bridge as a club are in decline big time??
Here Jim, anytime your over at our club this year when your club is getting a lend of our ground I will give you a tour around Downs oldest club and I will let you see for yourself how much decline we are in  ;)

Sorry to correct you but I believe Mayobridge is not the oldest club in Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 18, 2013, 07:24:05 PM
Quote from: thebar on June 18, 2013, 11:14:57 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 17, 2013, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 15, 2013, 12:28:05 PM
Some weird results in division one last night. Burren had a shocking first half v the ford but conditions were terrible. What sort of team did kilcoo have out v the kingdom??? Annnaclone and ballyholland are doing well at the minute. What happened the bridge last night, are rostrevor  really that bad as the bridge as a club are in decline big time??
Here Jim, anytime your over at our club this year when your club is getting a lend of our ground I will give you a tour around Downs oldest club and I will let you see for yourself how much decline we are in  ;)

Sorry to correct you but I believe Mayobridge is not the oldest club in Down
Sorry to correct you but if you go to Croke park and go through the records it will tell you that on 30th April 1888 St Patrick's Mayobridge became the first club in the county to have an affiliation accepted by the GAA. This makes Mayobridge the oldest registered club in the county .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 18, 2013, 10:04:32 PM
Did Mayobridge not fold for a while in the 60s? I always thought Leitrim Fontenays were the oldest club, im open to correction though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on June 18, 2013, 11:18:14 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 18, 2013, 07:24:05 PM
Quote from: thebar on June 18, 2013, 11:14:57 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 17, 2013, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 15, 2013, 12:28:05 PM
Some weird results in division one last night. Burren had a shocking first half v the ford but conditions were terrible. What sort of team did kilcoo have out v the kingdom??? Annnaclone and ballyholland are doing well at the minute. What happened the bridge last night, are rostrevor  really that bad as the bridge as a club are in decline big time??
Here Jim, anytime your over at our club this year when your club is getting a lend of our ground I will give you a tour around Downs oldest club and I will let you see for yourself how much decline we are in  ;)

Sorry to correct you but I believe Mayobridge is not the oldest club in Down
Sorry to correct you but if you go to Croke park and go through the records it will tell you that on 30th April 1888 St Patrick's Mayobridge became the first club in the county to have an affiliation accepted by the GAA. This makes Mayobridge the oldest registered club in the county .


Hows the hurling going this weather in the Bridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 18, 2013, 11:32:36 PM
Quote from: The Raven on June 18, 2013, 11:18:14 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 18, 2013, 07:24:05 PM
Quote from: thebar on June 18, 2013, 11:14:57 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 17, 2013, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 15, 2013, 12:28:05 PM
Some weird results in division one last night. Burren had a shocking first half v the ford but conditions were terrible. What sort of team did kilcoo have out v the kingdom??? Annnaclone and ballyholland are doing well at the minute. What happened the bridge last night, are rostrevor  really that bad as the bridge as a club are in decline big time??
Here Jim, anytime your over at our club this year when your club is getting a lend of our ground I will give you a tour around Downs oldest club and I will let you see for yourself how much decline we are in  ;)

Sorry to correct you but I believe Mayobridge is not the oldest club in Down
Sorry to correct you but if you go to Croke park and go through the records it will tell you that on 30th April 1888 St Patrick's Mayobridge became the first club in the county to have an affiliation accepted by the GAA. This makes Mayobridge the oldest registered club in the county .


Hows the hurling going this weather in the Bridge
Hurling??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on June 19, 2013, 04:38:16 PM
Why does it take so long every year to get Club championship dates out?  Ya try to organise family, work, holidays, etc around GAA commitments but feck it's not made easy!  Any idea when they'll be out?  After Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on June 19, 2013, 11:52:47 PM
They have been out since February time. 1st, 2nd and 4th weekends in August, but these of course could be subject to change depending on Down's championship progress.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on June 20, 2013, 09:27:56 AM
Aye, I was hoping someone would know the actual fixture dates.  But as you say they could be subject to change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on June 20, 2013, 10:13:01 PM
18,000 tickets sold for Sunday and Donegal are outnumbering us on a ratio of 4:1! Come on folks, get behind the lads!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 20, 2013, 10:31:25 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on June 20, 2013, 10:13:01 PM
18,000 tickets sold for Sunday and Donegal are outnumbering us on a ratio of 4:1! Come on folks, get behind the lads!
+1. the lads need us on sunday. get down to breffini and support them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on June 20, 2013, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 20, 2013, 10:31:25 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on June 20, 2013, 10:13:01 PM
18,000 tickets sold for Sunday and Donegal are outnumbering us on a ratio of 4:1! Come on folks, get behind the lads!
+1. the lads need us on sunday. get down to breffini and support them.
Where did this stat come from because it can be nothing else but bullshit as no way will Down or have Down ever been outnumbered by 4:1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on June 21, 2013, 08:56:57 AM
Its from the Official Down GAA Facebook page.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 21, 2013, 10:19:13 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on June 20, 2013, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 20, 2013, 10:31:25 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on June 20, 2013, 10:13:01 PM
18,000 tickets sold for Sunday and Donegal are outnumbering us on a ratio of 4:1! Come on folks, get behind the lads!
+1. the lads need us on sunday. get down to breffini and support them.
Where did this stat come from because it can be nothing else but bullshit as no way will Down or have Down ever been outnumbered by 4:1.

Does it really matter? Just get your arse to Breffni ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 21, 2013, 11:30:32 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on June 20, 2013, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 20, 2013, 10:31:25 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on June 20, 2013, 10:13:01 PM
18,000 tickets sold for Sunday and Donegal are outnumbering us on a ratio of 4:1! Come on folks, get behind the lads!
+1. the lads need us on sunday. get down to breffini and support them.
Where did this stat come from because it can be nothing else but bullshit as no way will Down or have Down ever been outnumbered by 4:1.
i can recall being pretty outnumbered in Clones last july, also in Breffni against Sligo back in 2010.
To be honest i couldnt blame Down people for not travelling they way the team have collapsed in the past. A lot of money to travel to see that especially when its on the TV.
In saying that i will be in Breffni for the minor and the senior matches. A Minor victory and a narrow defeat the best we can hope for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 22, 2013, 09:41:04 PM
good luck to both down teams tomorrow. #believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 22, 2013, 10:02:19 PM
You're right Sheedy. 11 to 2 is an insult. While Donegal will probably win, these odds are strange- putting us on a par with Antrim Hurlers who travelled to Wexford Park tonight for the inevitable 10 point drubbing. Lacey and Gallagher are a loss and out boys have balls and brains so I 've put my money where my mouth is. A couple of goals in the first half would be nice , especially if we don't concede any. Do your stuff Professors Moyna, Mc Cartan, Burns and Johnstone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: men in black on June 23, 2013, 08:18:10 AM
Is the anywhere that are commentating on the
minor Game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on June 24, 2013, 12:13:51 PM
Well modern football really arrived with a bang for Down there yesterday. I know it's not pretty but it sure beats being embarrassed like we were in the same fixture last year. I thought some of the defending was excellent, particularly from Peter Turley, although a bit like Donegal in 2011 the negative style makes it very hard to find scores with so many players back. At least there was no direct running through the defence as was the case in the Donegal & Mayo games last year, which must be seen as a massive improvement. Donegal are a couple of years down the road working in that kind of system and their ability to score from half-chances was probably the difference (along with wastefulness and poor shot/pass selection by Down).

It'll be interesting to see whether James continues to use the ultra-defensive template in the qualifiers or whether it was a specific tactic for dealing with Donegal. It will not make for good viewing, and purists in the county will be horrified, but it could make us hard to beat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 24, 2013, 02:12:06 PM
whereabouts is the pitch in ardglass does anyone know. It's been an age since I was there.

thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 24, 2013, 03:09:36 PM
If we continue this style of play then against weaker teams we will score plenty because they will not hold their shape as well as Donegal and there will be a continual flow of breakaways against them. As each point is scored they will become more frustrated, commit more men forward, be turned over again and the breakaway will have even more space to attack, making it easier and easier to score.

What I have described above is what happened to us in last year's Ulster Final. We were the naive team. What a pity we don't have Marty Clarke playing for us with this new level of fitness and commitment. He would be the final piece that would unlock any defence.

Does anyone know anything about the fitness of Danny Hughes or Aiden Carr?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 24, 2013, 08:45:38 PM
they have to keep the defensive system going until they get the scoring right. I'd say its hard to turn that intensity on or off when you want. but with black card coming next year where do you go then. I don't like it but if it makes us competitive and in the mix for big prizes then so be it. I've never seen Down so fit well done wee James you and your back room  team are doing something right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on June 24, 2013, 09:10:40 PM
Yeah, full credit where it's due to McCartan. I was very critical last year, particularly after the Donegal and Mayo games, but he got it tactically spot on yesterday. Massive improvement from 2012. You're right about fitness too, it was noticeable that Down were able to do what Tyrone didn't and stick with Donegal right up until the last whistle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 25, 2013, 01:52:25 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on June 24, 2013, 02:12:06 PM
whereabouts is the pitch in ardglass does anyone know. It's been an age since I was there.

thanks

Thanks Ardtole
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on June 29, 2013, 02:59:53 PM
Castlewellan 2.14 0.09 Bryansford

Castlewellan continued their run of good form last night in great conditions in St Malachy's Park. A fast-paced, hard-hitting and entertaining game that was in the balance until Cahal Crilly netted midway through the second half. That score came when there were 5 pts in it in favour of the Town, but when Bford were very much dominating and it looked possible that they were going to stage a comeback. Mickey Cunningham made three great point-blank saves while Ruairi Mccardle marshalled Danny Savage well. Another good team effort from the boys with Barry Travers also deserving of a mention. For Bryansford Conor Maginn and Stevie Toner showed best.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on July 04, 2013, 09:15:09 PM
5Sams - Doubt there will be much milking done in the morning around Ballyholland!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on July 05, 2013, 09:56:30 AM
Very disappointed in the Bridge last night....its sad to see how much they have fallen. Sexton is such a big miss to this team, does anyone know why he isn't involved any more? Only man to stand out for the Bridge was Kevin O'Rourke, thought he had an excellent game. Caught a lot of ball around the middle and some of his passing was top drawer.  Their full back line was very poor, but in saying that they were very exposed and offered little or no protection from further out the field. The Bridge looked clueless and didn't seem to have any sort of game plan.

Ronan Murtugh was excellent for the Harps, think he set up the three goals and he hit a great point in the 2nd half way out on the left hand side line. MOM of the match in my opinion and seemed to be carrying a knock as his right leg was heavily strapped.

We can know safely say that the Bridge have dropped out from being one of the top 3 teams in the county and their place has been taken by Castlewellan who have been excellent this year.  I know Coulter and Quinn have to come back into this team but think they will struggle come the Championship time and their aura has gone and teams won't fear playing them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 05, 2013, 03:12:26 PM
Quote from: amallon on July 04, 2013, 09:15:09 PM
5Sams - Doubt there will be much milking done in the morning around Ballyholland!  ;)

Missed the gameAidan. Did you film it? I must get a copy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on July 06, 2013, 10:34:28 PM
Came home from the game absolutely f***ed off, but I don't know if James should go. Still think it's an absolute joke that this draw was allowed, especially at Celtic Park again. Awful second half, beaten by the same kind of defence we played against Donegal, but a few clear fouls by Derry backs (esp. on Poland) went unpunished.There was no way back after McArdle's red card. Still think that with a better draw we could have built and improved through the summer. Hopefully big Dan will be back next year. Really hope Benny doesn't call it quits either, would be a travesty if his county career ended in such farcical circumstances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on July 06, 2013, 10:53:17 PM
Let's not put a tooth in this.
One point in the second half - and that from a free. One point from play in 70 minutes.
When is the last time the great Benny Coulter raised a green flag for Down?
This is a Down team that has betrayed all that is good about Down football and its reputation for forward play. This has been coming for a couple of years now and it is an abomination, utterly unwatchable and at the same time abysmally failing to get results.
The game should be about putting your best foot forward, play to your strengths - how these "scientists" of the game have dragged us all into utterly negative mediocrity is appalling.
Down football has sold its soul to this science and we are the poorer for it - and still OUT of the championship with barley a whimper.
Meanwhile our much vaunted forwards are toiling in the dark depths of our own "blanket-cum-sweeper" system that is the football equivalent of a snuff movie
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 06, 2013, 11:52:04 PM
it will be 20 years next year since we won anything and  apart from 2010 we look further away than ever. today was seriously depressing. after Donegal game I was upbeat about a bit of a run to a qf. The draw was a fuckin joke, today basically nullified the win in ulster championship. no disrespect to Derry they were better team. Gaa need to sort this out surely you should get some sort of advantage for winning a champ game. really pissed off tonight. where to now for James and co, a long summer and autumn to contemplate. too early for decisions now. annoyingly we are better than that performance today but we seem to be mentally unprepared in a lot of games we play. rant over
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on July 07, 2013, 12:32:46 AM
Very disappointing result but coming for a long time. We seem to have forgotten or don't have the courage to score or perhaps this ridiculous defencive system we have tried to adopt doesn't allow scoring. Its just a pity we don't have a good big target man up front who win a ball and lay it off to couple fast corner forwards. God how we miss Mickey and Bundy !!

I like Benny knew leaving Croke Park 2010 we wouldn't be back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on July 07, 2013, 12:35:14 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 06, 2013, 11:52:04 PM
it will be 20 years next year since we won anything and  apart from 2010 we look further away than ever. today was seriously depressing. after Donegal game I was upbeat about a bit of a run to a qf. The draw was a fuckin joke, today basically nullified the win in ulster championship. no disrespect to Derry they were better team. Gaa need to sort this out surely you should get some sort of advantage for winning a champ game. really pissed off tonight. where to now for James and co, a long summer and autumn to contemplate. too early for decisions now. annoyingly we are better than that performance today but we seem to be mentally unprepared in a lot of games we play. rant over

Exactly how was the draw a joke? We beat Derry well a number of weeks back, we had basically the same team today but they wanted it more, had a better system, learned more from the first round game and deserved to win today.

On the second issue about not being mentally prepared, do people actually know how many people are 'involved' and I don't mean voluntarily in this Down set up?  Psychologists are one aspect of team preparation and Down are not alone in employing  people to prepare the team mentally but Moyna and his entourage which includes at least two other individuals with recent inter county management experience does not come cheap. Ross and DJ were getting serious note a few years back so it is obvious that we have failed to learn from previous experience, throwing money at a 'big name' which will guarantee success.  The county board will say they are not paying these men and technically they are not but asking third parties to pay them on their behalf is what is happening.

Today was a shambles and unless there are changes it will be a long time before I pay good money watch Down again. 1point from play in 70 minutes football just isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 07, 2013, 11:52:00 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on July 07, 2013, 12:35:14 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 06, 2013, 11:52:04 PM
it will be 20 years next year since we won anything and  apart from 2010 we look further away than ever. today was seriously depressing. after Donegal game I was upbeat about a bit of a run to a qf. The draw was a fuckin joke, today basically nullified the win in ulster championship. no disrespect to Derry they were better team. Gaa need to sort this out surely you should get some sort of advantage for winning a champ game. really pissed off tonight. where to now for James and co, a long summer and autumn to contemplate. too early for decisions now. annoyingly we are better than that performance today but we seem to be mentally unprepared in a lot of games we play. rant over
the qualifier system of allowing 2teams to play again in the same venue 2rounds later makes a mockery of the provincial championship it shows how inept the gaa are, they don't care but would take notice if Kerry or Dublin had to do it and media complained about it. yes we beat Derry first day out and we did it playing football but conceded 1.15 we sorted defence for Donegal but we couldn't score that continued yesterday. can we not meet half way in a system that doesn't sacrifice our forwards, maybe develope ike  the dubs and move at pace.
what will moyna et all be doing now for their long summer. personally I don't think there is any mental prep done in Down squad certainly doesn't show on the pitch. Spillane can have a dig at Benny now today on Down getting tactics wrong cause they did.




Exactly how was the draw a joke? We beat Derry well a number of weeks back, we had basically the same team today but they wanted it more, had a better system, learned more from the first round game and deserved to win today.

On the second issue about not being mentally prepared, do people actually know how many people are 'involved' and I don't mean voluntarily in this Down set up?  Psychologists are one aspect of team preparation and Down are not alone in employing  people to prepare the team mentally but Moyna and his entourage which includes at least two other individuals with recent inter county management experience does not come cheap. Ross and DJ were getting serious note a few years back so it is obvious that we have failed to learn from previous experience, throwing money at a 'big name' which will guarantee success.  The county board will say they are not paying these men and technically they are not but asking third parties to pay them on their behalf is what is happening.

Today was a shambles and unless there are changes it will be a long time before I pay good money watch Down again. 1point from play in 70 minutes football just isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 08, 2013, 08:28:29 AM
Every year and often during a year there is a change in the Down management system. McIvor and Tally, then O'Rourke, now Moyna. In 2010 James started with a sweeper, then switched to man for man attack, since then we have tried to play a high holding game then other times a slow build up hand-passing game. This year alone we have played several different ways in the league, sometimes two big men up front, sometimes Benny at half forward and fast small men up front. We tried a defensive approach and it did quite well against Donegal but where did that decision come from, we haven't played that way all year (except a bit against Kildare)

I think James has done a good job but I think he has to stop tinkering with systems, and moving players around. He really should settle on an approach, decide it is how we will play and play that way every time. have players in settled positions with subs coming in to do the same job knowing exactly the role they will play. Not changing the system to suit the new player's particular skills. But whatever is chosen the only way to improve as a team is to all agree to a single game plan and work at it, accept the learning curve but focus on mastering it and aim each game to improve a bit.

If the Donegal match showed a blueprint for success then so be it but then why haven't we been using this system all year, and practicing it in match situations? Of all the top ten sides Down are the only one that I do not know how they will approach the game. I know how each other side will play because they stick to their plan and use games to develop it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 15, 2013, 08:44:01 PM
Down Championship 2013 Prediction Competition

There lots more games this time. Will allow for draws in round robin before Quarter finals

Downfanatic, are you organsing this competition this year? or will I have a go this time

Is anyone interesting in competing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on July 15, 2013, 09:49:02 PM
Count me in umpire for a bit of craic. Burren's to lose, town darkhorses!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on July 15, 2013, 11:12:21 PM
I would also make Burren big favourites for SFC for the quality panel they have at their disposal and the physicality they bring. They also have that sprinkling of star quality needed in Donal O Hare & Kevin McKernan.
I Would put Kilcoo next on the list purely for the fight they show in tight situations and the big-game experience they have picked up since their 2009 championship win.
I Would list Castlewellan and Bryansford as two teams who ability-wise should be in the mix in the latter stages, but have it all to prove in terms of the bottle needed to see out big games (both had kilcoo cornered last year in the championship q.final & s.final respectively).
After that Mayobridge might have enough for a big scalp and no-one would relish playing them while Saval are the only other team that can seriously be talked about. Any team with Danny Hughes, Niall Madine, Stephen Kearney and Caolan Rice in their forward line will be a handful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 16, 2013, 12:37:43 PM
Would anyone put any of the Castlewellan lads into the Down squad/team?

I think Kilcoo would be my favorites based on the fight they have in them. But of course with Down out, Burren are at full strength, Many of Kilcoo's quality players were not with Down last year and so were available for their club training/games all the time. That potentially slight advantage won't be the case this year.

Whoever wins it though will have my total support in Ulster, I would love to see a Down Ulster champion. It really is time after Burren have come close recently and Kilcoo threw it away last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 17, 2013, 06:10:53 PM
Quote from: umpire on July 15, 2013, 08:44:01 PM
Down Championship 2013 Prediction Competition

There lots more games this time. Will allow for draws in round robin before Quarter finals

Downfanatic, are you organsing this competition this year? or will I have a go this time

Is anyone interesting in competing?

Umpire, tear away. I'll look forward to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on July 18, 2013, 09:19:38 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 16, 2013, 12:37:43 PM
Would anyone put any of the Castlewellan lads into the Down squad/team?

What happened to Kevin Duffin? Thought he was useful in 2012 for the county team and might have felt hard done by not to start more games. Did he leave the Down panel or was he dropped?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on July 19, 2013, 12:32:20 AM
Count me in also Umpire for a bit of banter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on July 19, 2013, 09:45:17 AM
As far as I am aware Kevin duffin opted not to be part of the county setup this year. Downs loss has been castlewellans gain. He has been a top performer this year for the town. As I have previously said on here ruiari Mcardle would be worth a run with the county IMO. And also sean dornan who has a few years left with u21s in one to watch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on July 19, 2013, 11:02:19 AM
Quote from: upandwin on July 19, 2013, 12:32:20 AM
Count me in also Umpire for a bit of banter

Me too Umpire.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 22, 2013, 10:15:34 PM
Dick Clerkin of Monaghan said on RTE radio tonight that he had sent a text to James McCartan thanking him for the blueprint on how to beat Donegal. It's pretty clear that we would have won in Breffni if all the straightforward chances which fell to our overlapping defenders, and were missed, had gone to forwards instead. It's equally likely that on, yesterday's form, Monaghan would have beaten us in the final anyway, but at least we would still have been in the competition. James may well conclude that we are not so far off the pace and will hopefully stay in his post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on July 23, 2013, 07:36:56 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on July 22, 2013, 10:15:34 PM
Dick Clerkin of Monaghan said on RTE radio tonight that he had sent a text to James McCartan thanking him for the blueprint on how to beat Donegal. It's pretty clear that we would have won in Breffni if all the straightforward chances which fell to our overlapping defenders, and were missed, had gone to forwards instead. It's equally likely that on, yesterday's form, Monaghan would have beaten us in the final anyway, but at least we would still have been in the competition. James may well conclude that we are not so far off the pace and will hopefully stay in his post.

The fact of the matter is that we did not beat Donegal - and you are probably right that we would not have beaten Monaghan either. With due respect to Dick Clerkin - a solid county player over many years - this "bluprint" is just sticky plaster over the sore of negativity and it is time to get back to playing real football with an expectation of winning rather than a fear of losing. Wee James always put a smile on my face in his playing days - now he is surrounded by the psychologists and scientists of the game, the verve has gone - and we still lose!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 23, 2013, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: Leo on July 23, 2013, 07:36:56 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on July 22, 2013, 10:15:34 PM
Dick Clerkin of Monaghan said on RTE radio tonight that he had sent a text to James McCartan thanking him for the blueprint on how to beat Donegal. It's pretty clear that we would have won in Breffni if all the straightforward chances which fell to our overlapping defenders, and were missed, had gone to forwards instead. It's equally likely that on, yesterday's form, Monaghan would have beaten us in the final anyway, but at least we would still have been in the competition. James may well conclude that we are not so far off the pace and will hopefully stay in his post.

The fact of the matter is that we did not beat Donegal - and you are probably right that we would not have beaten Monaghan either. With due respect to Dick Clerkin - a solid county player over many years - this "bluprint" is just sticky plaster over the sore of negativity and it is time to get back to playing real football with an expectation of winning rather than a fear of losing. Wee James always put a smile on my face in his playing days - now he is surrounded by the psychologists and scientists of the game, the verve has gone - and we still lose!!
Maybe he needs new psychologists, if the 2nd Derry game is anything to go by the players didnt look interested. You cant not just turn up as often as down have over the last 20 years and before. You would never bet on Down to win a game they are as reliable as Galway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 23, 2013, 11:23:45 PM
Madness that the county board fix premier reserve and reserve championship fixtures two days before the minor championship. So much for player welfare!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 24, 2013, 10:46:19 AM
Surely the mighty Burren could handle this Jim with the vast array of talent at their disposal.
Didnt think this would be an issue for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on July 24, 2013, 12:46:03 PM
Even worse when the co minors send a player for an operation in England the day before his club,s first championship game. The op is needed but he is able to play, and has been playing in the league since the Tyrone defeat. The operation would keep til the close season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 24, 2013, 01:58:15 PM
Forgive my ignorance but surely its up to the player and his family when and where he gets treatment etc.
How can the Co Minor management be involved in this especially since they technically dont exist or function at the minute, their season is over.
How can they 'send' a player for an operation. What business is it of theirs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on July 24, 2013, 02:06:19 PM
Player was told by present management setup that he needed an op and would he be willing to have it. He agreed, without discussing dates, and was told a week later that flights for him and his mother were booked for 29th July. He is still underage for next year. Don't doubt this, it is true whether they are in place for next year or not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 24, 2013, 02:11:05 PM
Why wasnt this sorted through his club and the insurance there, rather than the actual county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on July 24, 2013, 02:43:16 PM
No idea. The young fella was probably flattered by the attention from the 'county' and never consulted the club. Still the date was a complete surprise to him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on July 24, 2013, 08:06:15 PM
1994 final on TG4 now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 24, 2013, 08:10:50 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on July 24, 2013, 08:06:15 PM
1994 final on TG4 now
Masterclass by Mickey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on July 24, 2013, 08:12:11 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on July 24, 2013, 02:11:05 PM
Why wasnt this sorted through his club and the insurance there, rather than the actual county.

If the lad was hurt playing for the County then fair play to them for looking after him.  I'm sure people would be giving out if they didn't ensure he was treated properly or left it up to his club to sort it out.

The timing probably is the issue here and if the lad agreed to letting the County sort it out then he probably had little say in the arrangements.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 25, 2013, 08:47:18 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on July 24, 2013, 08:10:50 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on July 24, 2013, 08:06:15 PM
1994 final on TG4 now
Masterclass by Mickey.

Stumbled on that last night myself, some good point taking throughout from both teams, Conor Deegans aside  :o , but that wasn't his game in fairness.
You forget just how good this team was, Higgins was as good a corner back going in his day and Greg McCartans handling in the wet was unreal, can't remember him dropping a ball, Barry Breen et all were very good and probably underrated when all the talk is about the stars of the team.
Hard to beat the shiny read and black tracksuits as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on July 26, 2013, 10:38:54 AM
With 5 games left in the second division it is very tight at the top. Tullylish have a 1 point lead over Glenn, with Clann na Banna a further 3 points back, with a game in hand. It looks like this is going down to the wire and Newry Bosco are certailnly not out of it either. What a prize in place for the top 2, a certain place in next years top table. Tullylish and Glenn in pole postition!! Will they stay there???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 26, 2013, 12:12:46 PM
Could anyone post all the current league tables. Im not living in the county unfortunately so would like to keep up to date with the current standings. Especially interested with Div 3.
Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 26, 2013, 10:26:44 PM
Snoopdog, go to <www.downgaa.net>, click on results, follow the links and you will get all the latest scores and tables. It is usually updated less than half an hour after the games finish in the main divisions, so it is an excellent service.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on July 26, 2013, 10:39:13 PM
Whats the story with the championship prediction thread being locked
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 27, 2013, 01:06:15 PM
Were Longstone starting fights again the other night? It's about time the county board stopped their intimidation of players and supporters. Big wins for the big teams last night. Ballyholland back down to earth with a crash, teams will catch up on them. That was some hammering for Liatriom, were Kilcoo at full strength. We stumbled over a really poor Rostrevor team and we will need to up our performances for the championship. What's everyone's views on the town, are they that good? I still can't see the bridge getting out of that group although I heard benny played his best football in years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 27, 2013, 09:54:36 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on July 26, 2013, 10:26:44 PM
Snoopdog, go to <www.downgaa.net>, click on results, follow the links and you will get all the latest scores and tables. It is usually updated less than half an hour after the games finish in the main divisions, so it is an excellent service.

thanks mourne rover
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 27, 2013, 11:11:57 PM
Quote from: The Raven on July 26, 2013, 10:39:13 PM
Whats the story with the championship prediction thread being locked
I had no idea why the thread was being locked. I unlock the thread last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 28, 2013, 04:42:02 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 27, 2013, 01:06:15 PM
Were Longstone starting fights again the other night? It's about time the county board stopped their intimidation of players and supporters. Big wins for the big teams last night. Ballyholland back down to earth with a crash, teams will catch up on them. That was some hammering for Liatriom, were Kilcoo at full strength. We stumbled over a really poor Rostrevor team and we will need to up our performances for the championship. What's everyone's views on the town, are they that good? I still can't see the bridge getting out of that group although I heard benny played his best football in years.

The Town are winning but playing well within themselves. They haven't been as convincing as I would like them to be.  Couple of key players unavailable so hopefully they will up their performances for the championship when they return. The Burren game this week will be a real test for them. Cc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 29, 2013, 10:28:43 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 27, 2013, 01:06:15 PM
Were Longstone starting fights again the other night? It's about time the county board stopped their intimidation of players and supporters. Big wins for the big teams last night. Ballyholland back down to earth with a crash, teams will catch up on them. That was some hammering for Liatriom, were Kilcoo at full strength. We stumbled over a really poor Rostrevor team and we will need to up our performances for the championship. What's everyone's views on the town, are they that good? I still can't see the bridge getting out of that group although I heard benny played his best football in years.

In what way, from friday night's game alone, would you say rostrevor are a very poor team? Neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you, just interested to know your thoughts because as you said, you stumbled past them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on July 30, 2013, 01:33:45 AM
Quote from: Down Mad on July 26, 2013, 10:38:54 AM
With 5 games left in the second division it is very tight at the top. Tullylish have a 1 point lead over Glenn, with Clann na Banna a further 3 points back, with a game in hand. It looks like this is going down to the wire and Newry Bosco are certailnly not out of it either. What a prize in place for the top 2, a certain place in next years top table. Tullylish and Glenn in pole postition!! Will they stay there???

with all due respect to the clubs you have mentioned, and any league win would be on merit and fully commendable, Tullylish, Banbridge, Glenn and the Bosco are not and are unlikely to be senior clubs, I am a betting man and, I would stake my mortgage on them NEVER winning a senior championship in the next 10-15 years (at least), imho, the teams playing div 1 football should have a chance of winning a senior championship, even if its a small chance. Ballyholland, Saval etc will have aspirations to win a championship, big ask, but they will feel they may have a chance. Tullylish, glenn, bosco, come on, intermediate clubs, end off. glenn v burren,  lunacy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fender on July 30, 2013, 06:54:37 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on July 30, 2013, 01:33:45 AM
Quote from: Down Mad on July 26, 2013, 10:38:54 AM
With 5 games left in the second division it is very tight at the top. Tullylish have a 1 point lead over Glenn, with Clann na Banna a further 3 points back, with a game in hand. It looks like this is going down to the wire and Newry Bosco are certailnly not out of it either. What a prize in place for the top 2, a certain place in next years top table. Tullylish and Glenn in pole postition!! Will they stay there???

with all due respect to the clubs you have mentioned, and any league win would be on merit and fully commendable, Tullylish, Banbridge, Glenn and the Bosco are not and are unlikely to be senior clubs, I am a betting man and, I would stake my mortgage on them NEVER winning a senior championship in the next 10-15 years (at least), imho, the teams playing div 1 football should have a chance of winning a senior championship, even if its a small chance. Ballyholland, Saval etc will have aspirations to win a championship, big ask, but they will feel they may have a chance. Tullylish, glenn, bosco, come on, intermediate clubs, end off. glenn v burren,  lunacy.

You clearly have something against these div 2 clubs (obviously any club below div 1) and their future progression within the county league structure!! You state 'merit & fully commendable' as a way of masking your very narrow minded and inappropriate comments, to try and belittle smaller clubs!! And as for saying "I would stake my mortgage on them NEVER winning the championship in 10-15years at least", well you most pose as a very miserable figure in the bookies because that's just idiotic!! Behave Charlie!!     
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fender on July 30, 2013, 07:04:59 AM
It just pi**es me off when people from higher ranked clubs act in this manor!! Our sport, at club level is a very intimate and close knit society, with open arms to anyone who wants to join!! Every club no matter how small is just as important as the Kilcoo's and Burren's of this world. The so called small clubs and self proclaimed big clubs provide access to people who live within their vicinity to enjoy the sport we love!! Thats what it's all about - its not a f**king beauty contest!! Get of your f**king high horse (not directed at you Charlie) & Support your county - love your club - respect your neighbors   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 30, 2013, 09:09:47 AM
A lot can happen in 15-20 years. Kilcoo twenty years ago were a div three team or else not long out of it. Every club has ambitions to get to senior level and when they get there they want to kick on. Longstone, Saval,Ballyholland Rgu were all intermediate not that long ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on July 30, 2013, 09:52:57 AM
Quote from: Fender on July 30, 2013, 06:54:37 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on July 30, 2013, 01:33:45 AM
Quote from: Down Mad on July 26, 2013, 10:38:54 AM
With 5 games left in the second division it is very tight at the top. Tullylish have a 1 point lead over Glenn, with Clann na Banna a further 3 points back, with a game in hand. It looks like this is going down to the wire and Newry Bosco are certailnly not out of it either. What a prize in place for the top 2, a certain place in next years top table. Tullylish and Glenn in pole postition!! Will they stay there???

with all due respect to the clubs you have mentioned, and any league win would be on merit and fully commendable, Tullylish, Banbridge, Glenn and the Bosco are not and are unlikely to be senior clubs, I am a betting man and, I would stake my mortgage on them NEVER winning a senior championship in the next 10-15 years (at least), imho, the teams playing div 1 football should have a chance of winning a senior championship, even if its a small chance. Ballyholland, Saval etc will have aspirations to win a championship, big ask, but they will feel they may have a chance. Tullylish, glenn, bosco, come on, intermediate clubs, end off. glenn v burren,  lunacy.

You clearly have something against these div 2 clubs (obviously any club below div 1) and their future progression within the county league structure!! You state 'merit & fully commendable' as a way of masking your very narrow minded and inappropriate comments, to try and belittle smaller clubs!! And as for saying "I would stake my mortgage on them NEVER winning the championship in 10-15years at least", well you most pose as a very miserable figure in the bookies because that's just idiotic!! Behave Charlie!!     

it was more a rant  at the restructuring, no offence meant. I have nothing against the clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on July 30, 2013, 11:06:06 AM
Good luck to those clubs fighting for first division status. They will be promoted because they deserve it and although they may struggle they will cause a few upsets and the experience they will gain can only be of benefit. Charlie, for you to say that these clubs will never contend for a senior championship in the next 20 year is ridiculous! I know for a fact that alot of current intermediate clubs are working very hard at underage level in order to further their clubs for the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on July 30, 2013, 11:17:00 AM
Its not too long ago the likes of Mayobridge and Kilcoo were in the lower leagues, sport can go in cycles, if the right structures are in place as in the case for the 2 clubs mentioned and you get the right players coming through you never know what can happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on July 30, 2013, 11:24:48 AM
Although there may one or two major mismatches in the next few years overall I am much in favour of the restructuring.

As others have mentioned a sizable amount of the current Division 1 clubs have played Intermediate football in recent years. I would fully expect a number of shocks when clubs do make the step up.

Having 3 Divisions makes it easier for growing clubs to gain promotion and makes the pathway from the bottom division to the top division shorter. Playing better opposition can only bring clubs on.

I think Annaclone are a good example of a club taking the opportunity to play at the top table with open arms, looking poised for a top half finish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 30, 2013, 11:55:32 AM
Next year we are going to see the inadequacies of the new league structure. The teams relegated from this years Div 1 and Div 2 will dominate in their lower division while the teams that go up from Div 2 and Div 3 will struggle badly and probably be immediately relegated from their new surroundings.
The new structures for the leagues and the round robin format of the championship had financial motivation at its core.
The sooner we return to four divisions and knockout championship the better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on July 30, 2013, 01:33:17 PM
+1 DownFanatic.

One point id like to make would be the huge drop in gate attendances at Division One League games this year, as the the new structures have definitely taken away from the competitiveness of the games. This detours people from going to watch them now and a prime example of this would have been that I was at a recent big East Down Derby, where there would have been 250+ spectators on most nights, but you would have been lucky to get 150 people at it.
Our clubs do depend on big gates for their income and they have bound to have taken hit this year over the restructures. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 30, 2013, 01:35:44 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 30, 2013, 11:55:32 AM
Next year we are going to see the inadequacies of the new league structure. The teams relegated from this years Div 1 and Div 2 will dominate in their lower division while the teams that go up from Div 2 and Div 3 will struggle badly and probably be immediately relegated from their new surroundings.
The new structures for the leagues and the round robin format of the championship had financial motivation at its core.
The sooner we return to four divisions and knockout championship the better.

+100
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 30, 2013, 02:50:34 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 30, 2013, 01:35:44 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 30, 2013, 11:55:32 AM
Next year we are going to see the inadequacies of the new league structure. The teams relegated from this years Div 1 and Div 2 will dominate in their lower division while the teams that go up from Div 2 and Div 3 will struggle badly and probably be immediately relegated from their new surroundings.
The new structures for the leagues and the round robin format of the championship had financial motivation at its core.
The sooner we return to four divisions and knockout championship the better.

+100
+1000

The likes of Annaclone, and before them Ballyholland and Saval, were prepared for Division I football by having to get out of a competitive Division II. There was the odd mismatch in Division II, but over half your games were against one of the top 16 teams in the county. Now in Division II, you have no games against the top 16 in the county. To go from that arena to Burren and Kilcoo is a bridge and a half too far.

It's easy to point out that 20 years ago, Mayobridge, Kilcoo, An Riocht, Ballyholland, Liatroim and Saval were all tier 2 or worse clubs. But it also needs pointed out that they all gradually improved to get where they are now. Youngsters who have come into these sides since then have had experienced campaigners at senior championship level to guide them. I actually shudder to think what a season in Division 1 might do to demoralise a youngish  Glenn side that have spent the past 5-6 years gradually improving.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 30, 2013, 08:44:18 PM
I said at the time it was a bad idea to switch from four divisions to three. Id agree with wobbler that in the past, promoted teams were better prepared  for the next division and even with four divisions there was a distinct gulf in class between each league.

That is now exaggerated, and it will be more obvious next year. I cant see the county board going back to four divisions so we will just have to get on with it. The clubs voted for this set up so have to accept some responsability also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on July 30, 2013, 10:57:00 PM
With Glenn and Tullylish going up to the 1st division off course there's going to be a huge gulf in class but what should these teams do? Start losing? Progression in these clubs will be better if they are playing a higher standard of football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 31, 2013, 12:22:09 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on July 30, 2013, 10:57:00 PM
With Glenn and Tullylish going up to the 1st division off course there's going to be a huge gulf in class but what should these teams do? Start losing? Progression in these clubs will be better if they are playing a higher standard of football.

You are missing the point completely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on July 31, 2013, 12:42:29 AM
I think the gulf in class is more apparent between D3 and D2, rather than D2 and D1.

There are teams, even under the 4 division structure, that would have gradually developed in the aforementioned manner and made their way to Division 1 and still got hammered by Burren, Kilcoo, et al.

I think the leagues still maintain their competitiveness, in D2 for instance there are only 4 points separating Glenn (16pts) in 2nd from Shamrocks in 8th (12pts).

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on July 31, 2013, 09:18:46 AM
Undoubtedly the now 3 division system has fast tracked traditionally Intermediate clubs to the verge of the first division and yes those teams that will get promoted will have a tough season next year. However, regardless whether there are 3 divisons or 4 these clubs have aspirations of playing at the highest level.They have invested in their underage systems which is obviously beggining to pay off. Whichever clubs are promoted out of the second division this year, I believe will fair better next year than what is expected of them. The fact that they will be playing in the top tier of Down football will be of great pride to the respective clubs and I am sure they will tweak the structures within their clubs in order to try and stay there.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 31, 2013, 12:04:10 PM
Quote from: Down Mad on July 31, 2013, 09:18:46 AM
Undoubtedly the now 3 division system has fast tracked traditionally Intermediate clubs to the verge of the first division and yes those teams that will get promoted will have a tough season next year. However, regardless whether there are 3 divisons or 4 these clubs have aspirations of playing at the highest level.They have invested in their underage systems which is obviously beggining to pay off. Whichever clubs are promoted out of the second division this year, I believe will fair better next year than what is expected of them. The fact that they will be playing in the top tier of Down football will be of great pride to the respective clubs and I am sure they will tweak the structures within their clubs in order to try and stay there.
History tells you they won't fare better.

The rule that bottom teams must have 30% of the top team's points in order to force a play-off, was brought in a decade ago, because teams that weren't fit for a division were managing to stay up by beating other strugglers in a play-off. Then repeating the dose. I can't see how putting the 16th and 17th best teams in the county into Division I will see them fare better.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 31, 2013, 12:51:44 PM
Quote from: qubdub on July 31, 2013, 12:42:29 AM
I think the gulf in class is more apparent between D3 and D2, rather than D2 and D1.

There are teams, even under the 4 division structure, that would have gradually developed in the aforementioned manner and made their way to Division 1 and still got hammered by Burren, Kilcoo, et al.

I think the leagues still maintain their competitiveness, in D2 for instance there are only 4 points separating Glenn (16pts) in 2nd from Shamrocks in 8th (12pts).

Indeed and here lies the problem, Shamrocks were well below most other teams at the end of last season in Div 2, they were very poor and could hardly scrape 2 points all season. Now you say they are only 4 points off second, imagine they won a few and were in promotion place for next season? They would get battered every single game. It does show progression in Glenn's case though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 01, 2013, 09:31:10 PM
Burren beat castlewellan by 5 points although castlewellan looked the better team for long periods and were undone by some very poor defending for all four of burrens goals.

Eoin McCartan gave mcardle a roasting whilst at the other end his brother dan got a roasting himself. Fintan mcgreevey was very good and should be looked at again by the county for fielding and free taking alone.  Eamon toner is another who has flattered to deceive for a few years but is starting to reach his potential and should at least be looked at.

Castlewellan looked quite impressive, shocking defending for the goals aside and looked like a team whereas Burren looked like a team of individuals and have a bit of work to do to integrate all their  county "stars".

It's a good job they have an easy start next week (only joking Ballyholland lads on here)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on August 01, 2013, 09:48:00 PM
Glenn haven't been in Division 1 since 1986 (not even in a Div 1 promotion play-off).
If the team holds its nerve and gets promotion, I for one will not give one iota of the results next year. We'll deal with that then, and celebrate a landmark. It will lift the whole place.

It is definitely better than moving between D1 and D2 than between D3 & D4, which Glenn were doing 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on August 01, 2013, 10:10:55 PM
Best team won tonight town played alright in patches but class told in the end. Burren still the team to beat they were not at there best but stepped it up when they felt like it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 01, 2013, 11:17:32 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on August 01, 2013, 09:31:10 PM
Burren beat castlewellan by 5 points although castlewellan looked the better team for long periods and were undone by some very poor defending for all four of burrens goals.

Eoin McCartan gave mcardle a roasting whilst at the other end his brother dan got a roasting himself. Fintan mcgreevey was very good and should be looked at again by the county for fielding and free taking alone.  Eamon toner is another who has flattered to deceive for a few years but is starting to reach his potential and should at least be looked at.

Castlewellan looked quite impressive, shocking defending for the goals aside and looked like a team whereas Burren looked like a team of individuals and have a bit of work to do to integrate all their  county "stars".

It's a good job they have an easy start next week (only joking Ballyholland lads on here)

I agree with most of what you have said though I felt Eoin McCartan had a poor first half and only came into it in the second. O'Hare  gave an exhibition of free taking in the first half as regardless of the angle he was knocking them over. The Town dropped two long range frees into the net and gifted the other two goals to Burren and very few teams will beat Burren when they concede four goals. I think Castlewellan played the better football but those errors cost us. There was a large crowd there with a lot of neutrals who I reckon will have enjoyed the game but at the end of the day Burren will be delighted as they got out of jail, got the win and go into the championship on the a very successful run.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on August 02, 2013, 10:15:34 PM
Glenn 2-12 Shamrocks 0-06

Oh the joy in typing that scoreline
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 02, 2013, 11:58:56 PM
Harps stumbled past Rostrevor tonight by 2. I hear the bridge were beat by Liatroim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 03, 2013, 12:27:23 AM
Just seen the div 2 table for the first time in quite a while, I couldnt believe St Johns were in third place, some achievement for a small club. Hard to believe they are in position for a play off spot for div one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 03, 2013, 03:14:08 AM
St John's have been on quite a run for some time now picking up some notable scalps along the way. They could be a dangerous proposition in championship over next few weeks.

A lot of talk of 3 leagues v 4 leagues and gaps between divisions in terms if quality. Whilst I agree that there is a distinct difference in quality between top of Div 2 and bottom of Div 1, I would expect that if leagues are left well alone over next 3-4 years this gap should be closed as more clubs get a taste of the higher level.

Have to agree with Barry Breen's Bandage here. As a Glenn man, if we were to achieve promotion, that would be a fine achievement for the club. The league restructuring has offered a carrot to the likes of ourselves and St John's that wasn't there before. Clubs should be commended for taking this opportunity.

If Div 1 comes round for us, lets hope that we will be all the better for it as a club in the next few years, regardless of any league results in 2014.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on August 03, 2013, 11:38:17 AM
Heard Ambrose was taken off injured last night against Kilcoo.
Anybody at it? Did it look serious?
That was a big score the the Magpies racked up.
Huge win for Liatroim against the Bridge following thier big defeat last week.
Good wins for Ballyholland, Downpatrick, Bford and Annaclone ahead of the C-Ship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on August 05, 2013, 01:32:16 AM
Reflections on the Championship ...

We sold our soul and took the Donegal game to Donegal ...
and stilll got bate!

We went back to Derry on our journey through the qualifiers (!!) - and still got bate...

Meanwhile Derry surrendered to a youthful Cavan -  who were in turn batted aside by Kerry, like a mild irritant.

Donegal were turned over by Monaghan - who in turn couldn't stand the heat of an indifferent Tyrone team....

At the back door Donegal were blown to the winds by Mayo ....

And there are still people in Down who think we have made progress and that no changes should be made?

The silence on this issue within the county is baffling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 05, 2013, 10:49:25 AM
Give us your answer to all the 'problems' Down have then.
Im sure we would all love to hear them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 05, 2013, 03:12:25 PM
Quote from: Leo on August 05, 2013, 01:32:16 AM
Reflections on the Championship ...

We sold our soul and took the Donegal game to Donegal ...
and stilll got bate!

We went back to Derry on our journey through the qualifiers (!!) - and still got bate...

Meanwhile Derry surrendered to a youthful Cavan -  who were in turn batted aside by Kerry, like a mild irritant.

Donegal were turned over by Monaghan - who in turn couldn't stand the heat of an indifferent Tyrone team....

At the back door Donegal were blown to the winds by Mayo ....

And there are still people in Down who think we have made progress and that no changes should be made?

The silence on this issue within the county is baffling.

Alternatively:

- Contrast last year's exits to Donegal and Mayo, and witness how we actually put ourselves in with a chance in every game this year.

- We showed Monaghan the template for how to beat Donegal. And with their better players, especially in defence, they achieved it.

- We did this with the weakest Down panel since 2001, with around 10 first choice players missing or abroad. Look how Donegal fared when just 3 of their main players took knocks.

- The 1999 minor team dominated the Down panel for the past decade. Only one of them is left, and he's only just hanging in. We are in transition.


I don't think Wee James is the perfect manager by any stretch. But there wasn't the talent in Down this year to challenge for any sort of honours. Armagh, Derry, Meath, Galway are all in the same boat. If you can remember that before you go off on one, it makes for more balanced conversation.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 05, 2013, 05:52:44 PM
What way is Paul Murphy wobbler?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on August 05, 2013, 11:43:32 PM
wobbler

I was just asking the questions and at least you took them onn fairl as opppposed to other posters.
For "thon other wans" who think I'm a smart-ass -  no I dont have the answers - I just asked the questions!!
They haven't been answered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 06, 2013, 11:10:24 AM
I can see what Leo is saying, but Wobbler is also right in that James has limited resources at his disposal.

On one hand you can be harsh and say that James has won no major trophies during his tenure, and in this respect he has failed.

But there is no doubt that we are in a better state than we were before he took over, even with the poor finish to this season.

I can se why people are now questioning James' involvement.  My view is that nobody out there will do a better job. I don't think a new face will get any more out of the players.  We just need to face the reality we no longer have any Lindens, Blaneys, Breens etc, we have to make the best of what we have.  No manager can change that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 06, 2013, 11:14:43 AM
No major trophies? All Ireland and Divison 1 National League would be the 'major' trophies. Now he didn't win them but they were a long long way from either when he took over. They got to a final and he got them into divison 1. Admittedly this season has been rather disappointing on both fronts, but due to the players available/not available not much more can really be expected.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 06, 2013, 03:01:47 PM
maybe the question should be what are the county board doing about the future of Down football. are there plans for a centre of excellence? the counties that are at the top are the one who are investing big in the development of players. I've read a few times on here about the terrible organisation of underage development within the county. James can only work with what he has but is anything being done to help provide better for the future. From someone who no longer lives in the county my felling is that the Down way is to wait for 30 years for once in a life time group of players to come along instead of doing something to help it happen. 20   years since we won anything and it doesn't look like its gonna change soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 07, 2013, 08:57:26 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on August 06, 2013, 03:01:47 PM
maybe the question should be what are the county board doing about the future of Down football. are there plans for a centre of excellence? the counties that are at the top are the one who are investing big in the development of players. I've read a few times on here about the terrible organisation of underage development within the county. James can only work with what he has but is anything being done to help provide better for the future. From someone who no longer lives in the county my felling is that the Down way is to wait for 30 years for once in a life time group of players to come along instead of doing something to help it happen. 20   years since we won anything and it doesn't look like its gonna change soon.

Here is an example from the current development squad set up taken from the Down Facebook page which was posted yesterday:


There will be 2 sessions this week for the ‪#‎DownGAA‬ U17 Football Development Squad.

There will be an indoor session in the Abbey GS Newry at 10am on Wednesday 7th August. All players must attend.

On Saturday 10th August the u17 squad will travel to MUSA Cookstown to compete in the Ulster u17 Jim McGuigan Cup qualifying round.

All players must attend. All players must wear their track bottoms and polo tops and bring their shorts and socks. Players are also asked to bring a packed lunch.

Bus Times as Follows:
9.00am Upper Square Castlewellan
9.15am Kilcoo Shop
9.25am Hilltown Square
9.35am Mayobridge Bus Stop
9.50am Brass Monkey

Any player who is unable to attend either of these sessions must contact John McAteer immediately:




Questions I have in relation to this.
1. A session at 10am on a Wednesday morning - All players must attend. What about the lad who has a part time job to earn a few pound during the Summer?  Do they make their own way to the Abbey or are the arrangements like below?
2. Lads from Kilclief, St Pauls, Bredagh etc and the same from Atticall, Tullylish or other areas of South Down have to make their own way to one of these pick up points at their own expense.
3. All players must wear their track bottoms and polo tops and bring their shorts and socks - maybe I am being pedantic but what gear did the players get?  There is no tracksuit top mentioned here or bags and I am sure they have gotten the full works.  Believe me, there is enough gear in the County office to kit out 10 teams.
4. Players are also asked to bring a packed lunch - surely lads leaving home at 8 or 9 in the morning, travelling to Cookstown and home quite a few hours later, the least we can give them is a bite to eat.  I'm not sure what other counties do but I'm sure that they get a bit more than our lads do.


Who is involved with this team as I don't recognise the name?  I know Pete Mc Grath has overall responsibility for the development squads but this was only given to him as a token for not getting the Senior Manager a few years back.

We are in a bad state.  Airing publicy our problems by asking people to go to meetings, giving their views on where we are going wrong and how we can sort it out - pathetic.  As for infrastructure, we have no centre of excellence.  Derry built up Owenbeg from one All Ireland win in the 90's, we won two and still have nothing to show.  We should have sold St Patrick's Park when we had the chance but sat on our hands and we are paying for it now.  Nearly every other county in Ulster has their own training grounds but we are using school grounds to prepare our teams.  This really is pathetic but sums up the state we are in at present and it ain't good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: artisan2010 on August 07, 2013, 09:47:07 PM
Didn't Pete stop a minor team from getting fed after a defeat a couple of years ago or is that another urban myth or Down legend.

With the best will in world things have moved on from 1994. Are there no young aspiring coaches in the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 07, 2013, 09:58:24 PM
You would imagine the buses for underage groups would have a pick up point in Downpatrick. After a tournement similar to the one in Cookstown are the lads dropped off in Castlewellan in the evening? Not that too many lads from our part of the county make these squads but the ones that do should receive the same treatment as the south down footballers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 07, 2013, 11:02:22 PM
Quote from: ardtole on August 07, 2013, 09:58:24 PM
You would imagine the buses for underage groups would have a pick up point in Downpatrick. After a tournement similar to the one in Cookstown are the lads dropped off in Castlewellan in the evening? Not that too many lads from our part of the county make these squads but the ones that do should receive the same treatment as the south down footballers.
Let's be realistic. A car would probably take the county footballers who live past castlewellan regardless of the age level!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 07, 2013, 11:07:48 PM
You are probably correct Downjim but is a car made available? If it is all well and good if not why not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on August 08, 2013, 08:23:06 PM
Bridge win by 7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 08, 2013, 08:29:20 PM
sfc result; mayobridge 1-15 rostrevor 1-8

ifc result; dundrum 0-5 drumgath 2-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on August 08, 2013, 09:08:14 PM
H/t Burren 0-8 ballyholland 0-3
H/t L'Island 1-3 L'stone 0-3 stone down to 13.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 08, 2013, 10:08:11 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on August 08, 2013, 09:08:14 PM
H/t Burren 0-8 ballyholland 0-3
H/t L'Island 1-3 L'stone 0-3 stone down to 13.
full time scores; burren 1-15 ballyholland 0-6.  longstone 0-9 loughinisland 2-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 09, 2013, 08:01:13 PM
The current 'malaise' that has enveloped Down football continues with not one post on last nights games.  I was in Newry and its no wonder that our County team continue to flounder when we see what our club teams produce.

Benny was outstanding in the first game, out in front, ball sticking and off loading to so many but with little effect.  He took his own scores in the second half which made a difference but with Rostrevor slow to make changes there was only going to be one result.

Game 2 at least had a bit of an edge to it.  Burren always looked in control and the late spurt put Ballyholland out of their misery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 10, 2013, 12:19:33 AM
To be honest last night's games were a serious disappointment. Thought Mayobridge never really had to get out of second gear and Rostrevor themselves could not believe they were leading at Half Time. I genuinely don't think there is a huge gulf in class between those two sides, certainly not enough to merit a 7pt victory anyway. The 'bridge just have that experience and never panicked once, and credit to them for that.
Burren were very impressive and Ballyholland never ever looked like taking the 2pts. However I doubt their heads will drop, given that Bryansford would always have been the more winnable game for them in the group and not the Burren match in their pursuit of 2nd spot. Burren will play better sides this year and the championship is only 2 days old but they look very strong already and it's difficult to see who can match them this year. Can anyone give a summary of the Stone-Island game? Big Greg was not happy anyway and vented his anger on twitter, slating both the referee and the '3 sweepers' deployed by Loughinisland. Find it hard to believe there were 3 sweepers played tbf.
Also, anyone else at Pairc Esler will have noticed that the stand was nowhere near full, which would not have been the case had Bridge-Rostrevor and Burren-Ballyholland double been a traditional first round knockout game. Bit of the championship magic lost it must be said.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 10, 2013, 07:41:21 AM
Three sweepers?? Try ballyholland with 15 sweepers. Puke football and I actually enjoyed the first game more. At least rostrevor kept a few forwards up the field!
Our country is in dire straits, the best two players I seen on were Thursday were Gavin barry and benny, what age are they???
Our football is going backwards, I blame the senior managers who insist on the blanket defences! Football in the county has lost its mojo. No one goes to club matches no more. There was more at a thirds championship game in Burren than any senior games all season. People won't pay to watch crap!

Everyone is thinking what downjim says!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on August 11, 2013, 11:37:07 AM
Castlewellan 2.18 1.02 Annaclone

As the scoreline suggests Annaclone offered very little. Attempted to play with numbers behind the ball but didn't have the pace or ability to break out with it effectively. Strange team set-up that didn't make use of their big players Benny Mcardle or Kevin Anderson. Castlewellan will have been pleased to get the ball rolling and register a decent score. Best for them were Barry Travers, Kevin Duffin, Finty McGreevy and David Gilmore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 11, 2013, 07:26:14 PM
Shocking antics in Newry today! Surprised that Kilcoo are involved yet again. The county board needs to stamp their authority on all culprits. There is no place in the GAS for that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 11, 2013, 07:34:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 11, 2013, 07:26:14 PM
Shocking antics in Newry today! Surprised that Kilcoo are involved yet again. The county board needs to stamp their authority on all culprits. There is no place in the GAS for that.

care to elaborate what happened that has no place in our beloved GAS jimbo? I have a burning desire to know. (I prefer Calor myself but each to their own.)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on August 11, 2013, 08:30:50 PM
I don't like to say to much on here about referees but the standard of refereeing in the second game today in Pairc Esler was a disgrace to say the least! Brutal decisions against both side raised the tensions for both teams, which in the end came to a head when a row started 5 minutes from the end, where he also let it get out of hand as well even though there was very little in the initial incident.
Really frustrating stuff!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on August 11, 2013, 08:56:37 PM
Could someone post todays results? Cant get onto the down website
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on August 11, 2013, 10:34:03 PM
shamrocks beat ballymartin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downer on August 11, 2013, 11:41:37 PM
All in all an ok start to the new championship format!

Kilcoo remain the team to beat with The mighty Burren starting to get there wheels in motion following there defeat of castlewellan in the league and there comfortable opener in sfc. Peter McGraths beyansford making serious noises also!!.

Here's hoping next weeks round of sfc games up it's it a notch or two!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on August 12, 2013, 01:57:17 PM
No big surprises from the first round of the senior championship.  Savals draw with Warrenpoint probably the only one that raised an eyebrow although Kilcoo getting 2 men sent off is worth a mention, and Annaclones hammering by Castlewellan.

Burren, Castlewellan and Bryansford look the pick of teams at the moment but its very early yet to give judgement.

Football by and large wasnt of a great standard but championship football brings teams on no end and by the 3rd round i would be expecting teams to be flying.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 12, 2013, 02:50:03 PM
Collingwood have reported that Martin Clarke will not play again this year after surgery on an ankle ligament injury. However, a club official said he expected Clarke would be fully recovered for pre-season training in 2014.

Clarke has been playing for the reserves over recent months but presumably has a full year left on his contract. By this time next year, he may have to decide whether to stay on at Collingwood, which would be unlikely unless he is back in the first team, look for a new club or come back to Ireland.

He will not be 26 until November, so we can only hope that we might see him again in a Down jersey at some stage. His ability to pick out a long pass would be crucial against a blanket defence, but we have never replaced him as a free taker either. From memory, we have just gone through an entire league and championship season without converting a single 45.

Caolan Mooney, after a couple of first team appearances early in the season, is also in the reserves at Collingwood, but, according to the club website, he is approaching the end of an initial twofer contract. While he is still young, at 20, he does not yet seem to have made the progress which Clarke did at the same age.

He deserves every opportunity to make a career in professional sport, but he is reaching a stage when many other young Irish players have decided that a return home from Australia is their best option. If he became available, Mooney's pace and strength would give us a huge boost for what is going to be a tough division two campaign in February.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on August 12, 2013, 03:16:18 PM
It won't be long till Clarke and Mooney are back.


They'll be a big boost to Down next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 12, 2013, 03:21:52 PM
But what would they come home to in terms of work? Do any of them hold qualifications or have a trade? I  know Clarke talked about teaching before.  It may make more economic sense for them to earn good money from Collingwood or another club while they can.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on August 12, 2013, 05:53:19 PM
be realistic. what would take them home?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 12, 2013, 10:22:30 PM
If they have decent contracts on the table, they would be very likely to stay with the best wishes of all Down supporters. However, if the offers are disappointing, there must be a prospect that someone with Clarke's experience could take on an enhanced full-time coaching role at home. Mooney is barely out of his teens and would be an attractive prospect for any of the third level colleges with Sigerson aspirations. We are entitled to hope that at least one of them could be back within two years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 13, 2013, 09:00:17 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 12, 2013, 03:16:18 PM
It won't be long till Clarke and Mooney are back.


They'll be a big boost to Down next year.

No chance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on August 14, 2013, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 12, 2013, 03:16:18 PM
It won't be long till Clarke and Mooney are back.


They'll be a big boost to Down next year.

Marty has a full year left on his contract. Mooney has had a couple of first-team appearances and scored a goal this season. He has not broken through like Marty did but he is consistently on of their bet in the reserves.

Even if things go against them I would not expect to see them home until send of next season. So perhaps season 2015 or even 2016. If so then they would still be great additions to the team as they would be in their prime.

As for what they would do - Marty would be coaching initially but he had always talked about teaching and would be accepted into St Mary's. Mooney completed his A-levels before leaving and would come home to take up a place at university.

But like I say I reckon - No chance for next year, quite unlikely the year after, and only possibly for the year after that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 14, 2013, 08:16:54 PM
Taken from Down Facebook page

The following are the arrangements for this weeks Down GAA Football Development Squads:

Wednesday 14th August 2013:
Down U17 Footballers - Indoor Session @ Abbey CBS Newry at 10am sharp.

All players are asked to attend. Any player who is unavailable is asked to inform the squad coaches immediately.

Saturday 17th August 2013:
Down u15 Footballers will travel to Portlaoise where they will compete in the National u15 Football Blitzes.

They will be in a group with Louth, Laois, Wicklow and Limerick. The games will commence at 11am.

Bus Times as follows:
7am Ivanhoe Hotel Carryduff
7.20am Brennans Shop Loughinisland
7.30am Upper Sq Castlewellan,
7.40am Kilcoo Shop,
7.50am Hilltown Square,
8.00am Mayobridge Bus Stop,
8.15am Brass Monkey

All players are asked to attend. Any player who is unavailable is asked to inform the squad coaches immediately.
All players must wear Down Training tops and Bottoms and bring their Shorts and Socks. All players are asked to bring a packed lunch.

Saturday 17th August 2013:
Down u16 Footballers will travel to Darver, Co. Louth where they will compete in the National u16 Football Blitzes.

They will be in a group with Louth, Armagh, Carlow, Wicklow, Westmeath and Wexford. The Games will commence at 11am.

Bus Times as follows:
7.50am Ivanhoe Hotel Carryduff
8.20am Brennans Shop Loughinisland
8.30am Upper Sq Castlewellan
8.40am Kilcoo Shop,
8.50am Hilltown Square,
9.00am Mayobridge Bus Stop,
9.15am Brass Monkey

All players are asked to attend. Any player who is unavailable is asked to inform the squad coaches immediately.
All players must wear Down Training tops and Bottoms and bring their Shorts and Socks. All players are asked to bring a packed lunch


Obviously someone from the County Board reads these pages as suddenly this week for the development squads there is a bus going from the Ivanhoe when previously lads had to make their way from Castlewellan!

This is a step in the right direction but a major issue is that some lads are getting on a bus in Carryduff at 7am, travelling to Portlaoise to represent Down in the National U.15 Blitz and not home to god knows what time.  What do they get to eat - BRING A PACKED LUNCH!!!!  Are you for real.  I would need some bloody packed lunch if I was going to Portlaoise for the day, never mind play a few games of football as well.  These Development Squads are centrally funded I believe with Down being given a certain amount to spend on our teams as they like.  How hard would it be for them to spend a few pound on a bite to eat, after all the thousands that are being spent on the Senior Team per week during the year isn't being used now so could they not have some of this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on August 14, 2013, 10:42:21 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 14, 2013, 08:16:54 PM
Taken from Down Facebook page

The following are the arrangements for this weeks Down GAA Football Development Squads:

Wednesday 14th August 2013:
Down U17 Footballers - Indoor Session @ Abbey CBS Newry at 10am sharp.

All players are asked to attend. Any player who is unavailable is asked to inform the squad coaches immediately.

Saturday 17th August 2013:
Down u15 Footballers will travel to Portlaoise where they will compete in the National u15 Football Blitzes.

They will be in a group with Louth, Laois, Wicklow and Limerick. The games will commence at 11am.

Bus Times as follows:
7am Ivanhoe Hotel Carryduff
7.20am Brennans Shop Loughinisland
7.30am Upper Sq Castlewellan,
7.40am Kilcoo Shop,
7.50am Hilltown Square,
8.00am Mayobridge Bus Stop,
8.15am Brass Monkey

All players are asked to attend. Any player who is unavailable is asked to inform the squad coaches immediately.
All players must wear Down Training tops and Bottoms and bring their Shorts and Socks. All players are asked to bring a packed lunch.

Saturday 17th August 2013:
Down u16 Footballers will travel to Darver, Co. Louth where they will compete in the National u16 Football Blitzes.

They will be in a group with Louth, Armagh, Carlow, Wicklow, Westmeath and Wexford. The Games will commence at 11am.

Bus Times as follows:
7.50am Ivanhoe Hotel Carryduff
8.20am Brennans Shop Loughinisland
8.30am Upper Sq Castlewellan
8.40am Kilcoo Shop,
8.50am Hilltown Square,
9.00am Mayobridge Bus Stop,
9.15am Brass Monkey

All players are asked to attend. Any player who is unavailable is asked to inform the squad coaches immediately.
All players must wear Down Training tops and Bottoms and bring their Shorts and Socks. All players are asked to bring a packed lunch


Obviously someone from the County Board reads these pages as suddenly this week for the development squads there is a bus going from the Ivanhoe when previously lads had to make their way from Castlewellan!

This is a step in the right direction but a major issue is that some lads are getting on a bus in Carryduff at 7am, travelling to Portlaoise to represent Down in the National U.15 Blitz and not home to god knows what time.  What do they get to eat - BRING A PACKED LUNCH!!!!  Are you for real.  I would need some bloody packed lunch if I was going to Portlaoise for the day, never mind play a few games of football as well.  These Development Squads are centrally funded I believe with Down being given a certain amount to spend on our teams as they like.  How hard would it be for them to spend a few pound on a bite to eat, after all the thousands that are being spent on the Senior Team per week during the year isn't being used now so could they not have some of this?

All development squads are given food after the blitz is over. Their own packed lunch is for the break midway through the day. I have been to few of these with my son over last couple of years and to be honest I think they are adequately catered for. My only gripe would be the gear, when other teams come they are fully kitted out whereas we arrive in a multi coloured range of county shirts and even god forbid soccer tops. as soon as squads are finalised they should be kitted out. Pride in the jersey!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 15, 2013, 04:38:01 PM
Thats fair enough Raven and good to hear they are being 'catered' for in that respect.

I can't understand how there isn't enough gear for the Development Squads as a mate of mine was picking up the championship ticket in the county office a few weeks back and he told me the place was coming down with bags, shorts, socks, water, juice etc.  So what are they doing with all this stuff if the lads aren't getting it.?  There is nothing worse than turning up for a match in a mish/mash of gear when your opponents look immaculate.  Even worse at a blitz like this when numerous county teams will be there as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on August 15, 2013, 09:46:28 PM
drumgath 2--14 ballymartin 0--8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on August 15, 2013, 11:13:35 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2013, 04:38:01 PM
Thats fair enough Raven and good to hear they are being 'catered' for in that respect.

I can't understand how there isn't enough gear for the Development Squads as a mate of mine was picking up the championship ticket in the county office a few weeks back and he told me the place was coming down with bags, shorts, socks, water, juice etc.  So what are they doing with all this stuff if the lads aren't getting it.?  There is nothing worse than turning up for a match in a mish/mash of gear when your opponents look immaculate.  Even worse at a blitz like this when numerous county teams will be there as well.

There was talk of Club Down wanting to help kit out the development squads. What happened to that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on August 16, 2013, 12:26:01 AM
Quote from: Leo on August 15, 2013, 11:13:35 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2013, 04:38:01 PM
Thats fair enough Raven and good to hear they are being 'catered' for in that respect.

I can't understand how there isn't enough gear for the Development Squads as a mate of mine was picking up the championship ticket in the county office a few weeks back and he told me the place was coming down with bags, shorts, socks, water, juice etc.  So what are they doing with all this stuff if the lads aren't getting it.?  There is nothing worse than turning up for a match in a mish/mash of gear when your opponents look immaculate.  Even worse at a blitz like this when numerous county teams will be there as well.

There was talk of Club Down wanting to help kit out the development squads. What happened to that?

Club Down seem to have disappeared without trace, their website is blank. Another well intentioned initiative gone by the wayside
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on August 16, 2013, 09:47:30 AM
Was out in Mayobridge watching the Ballyholland - Bryansford game last night, have a few points to say on it.

1st of all its the standard of refereeing in this county. It sickens my hole that the referees give the supposed "Big Clubs" all the decisions.  Take last nights game for example, every time King went to contest a kick out he pushed his marker every time and the referee did not blow him once for this. Bryansford were getting free's a lot hander than the Harps were. Also your man Rice who was doing the line last shouldn't be any were near a football field, its all about him and how he got the Ulster Minor final is beyond me.  And until referees in this county start calling matches evenly and given both teams a fair craic then the Championship will always be won by the "Big Clubs" and the "Small Clubs" will never make the break through.

Having seen both Burren and Bryansford play in these years Championship the difference in class is massive. Burren are by far the superior team and come the business end of the Championship Bryansford will not count and you can quote me on that. Its Burren Championship to lose now.

Last night was my first time watching Danny Savage in the flesh and he is different class. Has some left foot on him and should definitely get more playing time with the county next season. Is by far Bryansford best and most dangerous player. I would even go as far as saying that he is a better footballer than Donal O'Hare who I rate highly as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 16, 2013, 06:32:17 PM
Have to agree Rodders. The ref was the only one in Mayobridge who didn't see what King was up to all night.

All I can say about last night is that I am gutted for our lads because I know 1st hand the amount of effort and commitment this bunch of lads, management included, have put into this year's campaign. 3 lads came home from Australia, leaving good jobs behind, to give our campaign a boost. One lad even left the wife out there to come home and play for the Harps this year.

I hope they get some sort of reward in the league with a top 3 finish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 17, 2013, 12:30:06 PM
This year Championship round robin in SFC, IFC and Mfc, does the top team of the each group are seeded for Quarter final draw? or 2 top teams are put in an open draw,

If is the open draw for the quarter final, then there no point in playing the final round of Senior group one as we already know the top 2 teams in Saval and Mayobridge. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 17, 2013, 12:35:34 PM
Group winners are drawn against the runners up but two teams from the one group can't meet in the Quarter Finals.

Clann na Banna v Bredagh and Darragh Cross v Saul both down for Newcastle today at 4pm and 5.30pm respectively.

I have heard that the first game is now on in St John's. Has the second game been changed also?

Just checked Tuesday's Irish News and both games are in St John's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on August 17, 2013, 01:42:21 PM
Minus 15, both games in St Johns.

Results from last night in IFC

Tullylish 1-14 - 0-10 Bosco
Carryduff 1-08 - 0-9 St Johns
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 17, 2013, 03:30:30 PM
Group A far from over umpire if mayo bridge beat saval and point beat rostrevor it goes to scorin difference besides group winners are seeded for quarters so battle for to top the group also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 17, 2013, 05:38:24 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 17, 2013, 03:30:30 PM
Group A far from over umpire if mayo bridge beat saval and point beat rostrevor it goes to scorin difference besides group winners are seeded for quarters so battle for to top the group also.
That's correct meatsy86
Just thought that Saval have beaten the Point but only drew, my slip of mind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 17, 2013, 06:48:56 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 16, 2013, 06:32:17 PM
Have to agree Rodders. The ref was the only one in Mayobridge who didn't see what King was up to all night.

All I can say about last night is that I am gutted for our lads because I know 1st hand the amount of effort and commitment this bunch of lads, management included, have put into this year's campaign. 3 lads came home from Australia, leaving good jobs behind, to give our campaign a boost. One lad even left the wife out there to come home and play for the Harps this year.

I hope they get some sort of reward in the league with a top 3 finish.

Don't want to sound condescending but did u really expect Ballyholland to come out of a group with 2 of the championship favourites in it ???

Do u also realistically expect to be in the top 3 at the end of the year......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downer on August 17, 2013, 09:13:34 PM
Championship review

Kilcoo v Loughinisland

The blues are coming into this with some confidence following there win against longstone. It could be said that the stone pressed the self destruct button last time out with two men off after 25 minutes,when in fact they were starting to dominate this game.

Loughinisland will be boosted by good scoring statistics recently however there porous defence will in my opinion concede at least two goals tomorrow. The blues need to find an agressive full back soon or there campaign ends tomorrow.

Kilcoos grit and will to win will see them home with a bit to spare and  almost gurantee them a quarter final berth!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 18, 2013, 02:29:41 PM
Quote from: Downer on August 17, 2013, 09:13:34 PM
Championship review

Kilcoo v Loughinisland

The blues are coming into this with some confidence following there win against longstone. It could be said that the stone pressed the self destruct button last time out with two men off after 25 minutes,when in fact they were starting to dominate this game.

Loughinisland will be boosted by good scoring statistics recently however there porous defence will in my opinion concede at least two goals tomorrow. The blues need to find an agressive full back soon or there campaign ends tomorrow.

Kilcoos grit and will to win will see them home with a bit to spare and  almost gurantee them a quarter final berth!

I hear a certain county player from Kilcoo let himself down a bagful with his mouthy antics to his marker against Downpatrick last week.  There really is no place for crap like this particularly when it gets very personal like is reported to have happened.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 18, 2013, 02:56:23 PM
I heard the same in the point last night. Very disappointing to hear a county player at that. Apparently the sledging throughout the game was horrific. Does McCorry know his players are at this???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 18, 2013, 04:00:36 PM
Was at the Intermediate double header in St John's yesterday.

The first game was a game of 2 halfs with Bredagh racing into a 5-0 lead and remaining a well derserved 5 points up on a 1-6 to 0-4 scoreline at half time, their goal coming from roaming wing-forward Niall Mulholland. Donal Hughes was also prominent in a strong first half showing. Clann na Banna made a couple of changes early in the second half which made a difference around the middle of the field and their experienced players, Michael Fairburn in particular, coped with anything Bredagh had to throw at them and the lively Stephen McArdle in the full forward line troubled the Bredagh rearguard when he was supplied with early ball.
The Banbridge men finished the stronger and looked like sealing the win only for a late Bredagh point to equalise to give them their second draw in as many games. Clann na Banna were visibly disappointed at the final whistle, but can take heart from the fact that they came back so well in the second half and remain in pole position to finish top of Group B.

The second game, played at a higher pace, was keenly contested between Darragh Cross and Saul. Darragh raced into a three points to no score lead in the opening minutes. Marcus Miskelly, with 14 on his back, but playing in a withdrawn role was having a huge influence on the game, constantly being fed posession deep in his own defence and using it very wisely. Up front, the pace of the Darragh attack was causing Saul problems, whilst Saul were unable to hold onto posession that they did get themselves, with the final pass letting them down time after time. However, Saul held on and after a number of Darragh Cross wides, they pulled them back into the match. Their free taker was very reliable and they went in at half time just 1 point down, surely believing that they could only improve on their first half showing.

The second half was hugely entertaining and Saul, with Adam King and Nathan Keenan showing well and their full back line coping better with the Darragh Cross forwards, they looked the hungrier team, knowing that nothing less than a win would do.
Saul finished extremely strongly and two late goals ensured that they took the 2 ponts on a 2-8 to 0-6 scorline, holding Darragh to a solitary second half point.

That leaves this group all square with 4 teams on 2 points apiece, leaving a couple of tasty games to come.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on August 18, 2013, 05:50:34 PM
Was down in Downpatrick today and must say kilcoo were frightening,great display from them all,loughinisland couldn't get to grips with them at all,I predict kilcoo and Downpatrick to progress
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 18, 2013, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 18, 2013, 02:56:23 PM
I heard the same in the point last night. Very disappointing to hear a county player at that. Apparently the sledging throughout the game was horrific. Does McCourt know his players are at this???

Who are you on about Jim?  Didn't know Malachy was involved with Kilcoo ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on August 18, 2013, 06:08:53 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 18, 2013, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 18, 2013, 02:56:23 PM
I heard the same in the point last night. Very disappointing to hear a county player at that. Apparently the sledging throughout the game was horrific. Does McCourt know his players are at this???

Who are you on about Jim?  Didn't know Malachy was involved with Kilcoo ;)


Yeah I don't think he knows what he is talking about
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on August 19, 2013, 01:04:58 AM
Get with times downjim, sledging is constant part of our modern game and every team is at it. I think it was poor of you to single them out in your previous post to say the least as there all at it, that's unless you don't get to too many games in recent times?
On this weekends games, entertaining enough game in Castlewellan tonight with Downpatrick missing the boat, especially with the stone playing almost 40 mins with a man less.
Town got through a tough encounter with the fontenoys, whilst clonduff built up good momentum against against Annaclone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 19, 2013, 02:13:04 AM
Sledging part of the game. Wise up Will you! Are you saying managers send their teams out to insult opposition players. Play the game hard and fair.. Down teams should not resort to Tyrone tactics.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 19, 2013, 03:24:11 AM
I'll be the first man to admit that I don't normally agree with Downjim's posts, but he is 100% right here. Conor Laverty was a disgrace given what he said to the Downpatrick man. I heard every word of it given that I was right beside the play. Horrible slur which I won't repeat. No place in our (or any) game. Anypne that defends his words are a joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on August 19, 2013, 08:45:10 AM
Where in my last post did I say that Managers are sending their players out to do this downjim????
I am with you and upandwin on the matter here, where i believe it has no part in our game, but it does happen and its unfortunate that it does go on.
Its very difficult for Management teams to fully control their players once they step over the white line.
Players have to take responsibility of their own actions once the ball is thrown in.
Its a scourge in our modern game, which all teams are at it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 19, 2013, 02:22:17 PM
You said "all teams are at it", I have not heard any reports of burren doing it. I watched a thirds game recently between us and the bridge. it was a local derby with lots of hard hitting but I never heard reports of any sledging. Both teams shook hand and walked off. I can look my man in the eye after a tough hard game but name calling and snide low remarks have no part in our games .That club got into trouble last year for this and it looks like it is still going on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on August 19, 2013, 04:01:35 PM
Ok downjim, Burren never do it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on August 19, 2013, 06:16:20 PM
I played football for many years and mouthing always happened,I received it and also dished it out,all part and parcel of the game I'm afraid but downjim for you to say it has never happened before is ridiculous,doubt you only hear what you want to.you seem to be geting on kilcoos case a lot ,but I hear it all the time,we're you not at the game last night???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 19, 2013, 09:33:59 PM
As Burren knock in their 5th goal of the evening, a thought goes through my head. Why in hell did we add another 16 games to our Senior Championship? Who gains from this move? Who?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wehatepauly2 on August 19, 2013, 09:50:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2013, 09:33:59 PM
As Burren knock in their 5th goal of the evening, a thought goes through my head. Why in hell did we add another 16 games to our Senior Championship? Who gains from this move? Who?



The county board of course  £££
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 19, 2013, 09:56:34 PM
Quote from: wehatepauly2 on August 19, 2013, 09:50:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2013, 09:33:59 PM
As Burren knock in their 5th goal of the evening, a thought goes through my head. Why in hell did we add another 16 games to our Senior Championship? Who gains from this move? Who?



The county board of course  £££

The county board didn't create this change. The clubs motioned it and the clubs voted for it. This is 100% on the clubs. Clubs that can only be full of people who'd rather their senior team - as well as not winning anything - get humiliated more than once, instead of the normal once.

I'm starting to believe that the tinkermen who feel a constant need for change and are now everywhere across Ireland, will eventually kill off the GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 19, 2013, 10:09:59 PM
Down championship is a joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rodney trotter on August 19, 2013, 10:12:37 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2013, 09:56:34 PM
Quote from: wehatepauly2 on August 19, 2013, 09:50:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2013, 09:33:59 PM
As Burren knock in their 5th goal of the evening, a thought goes through my head. Why in hell did we add another 16 games to our Senior Championship? Who gains from this move? Who?



The county board of course  £££


The county board didn't create this change. The clubs motioned it and the clubs voted for it. This is 100% on the clubs. Clubs that can only be full of people who'd rather their senior team - as well as not winning anything - get humiliated more than once, instead of the normal once.

I'm starting to believe that the tinkermen who feel a constant need for change and are now everywhere across Ireland, will eventually kill off the GAA.

Sounds like the make it up as they go along stuff that has happened this year in Cavan. Although that was both clubs and County board involved,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on August 19, 2013, 10:22:55 PM
Perhaps it was designed to guarantee all club players more than one big game in the calendar year. These men train their asses off from the beginning of January to play in big championship games. The entire league campaign is a warm-up and a mere side-show. The more big games (big crowds, good pitches, proper officials, national anthems) the players get the better.

The one-sided scores that have been posted so far in this year's championship matches are more of an indictment on the clubs that have shipped the scores rather than the new championship format.

As with the race for Sam Maguire, the race for Frank O Hare will have a few mismatches at the start. But the best teams will progress and all games from the quarter finals on should be competitive. Ultimately the best team will win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 19, 2013, 10:28:37 PM
Quote from: wildrover on August 19, 2013, 10:22:55 PM
Perhaps it was designed to guarantee all club players more than one big game in the calendar year. These men train their asses off from the beginning of January to play in big championship games. The entire league campaign is a warm-up and a mere side-show. The more big games (big crowds, good pitches, proper officials, national anthems) the players get the better.

The one-sided scores that have been posted so far in this year's championship matches are more of an indictment on the clubs that have shipped the scores rather than the new championship format.

As with the race for Sam Maguire, the race for Frank O Hare will have a few mismatches at the start. But the best teams will progress and all games from the quarter finals on should be competitive. Ultimately the best team will win.

I don't see how lads from the kingdom or loughanisland will get better by going through the humiliating they have received over the last couple of days. If anything it will set them back!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 19, 2013, 10:40:24 PM
Quote from: wildrover on August 19, 2013, 10:22:55 PM
Perhaps it was designed to guarantee all club players more than one big game in the calendar year. These men train their asses off from the beginning of January to play in big championship games. The entire league campaign is a warm-up and a mere side-show. The more big games (big crowds, good pitches, proper officials, national anthems) the players get the better.

The one-sided scores that have been posted so far in this year's championship matches are more of an indictment on the clubs that have shipped the scores rather than the new championship format.

As with the race for Sam Maguire, the race for Frank O Hare will have a few mismatches at the start. But the best teams will progress and all games from the quarter finals on should be competitive. Ultimately the best team will win.

I'd argue that until you're a team capable of winning a Championship, then Championship games really aren't that much bigger or more important than league games. It's a stay of execution.

At least in the old format, the luck of the draw meant the big guns could take each other out and give you a chance of glory if everything fell your way.

In this format, with seedings and the ability for the best teams to have an off day and recover, it means most teams have less than no chance of reaching a final, let alone winning it. It's just making up the numbers. And before too long, players and spectators will vote with their feet.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on August 19, 2013, 10:58:32 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on August 19, 2013, 10:28:37 PM
Quote from: wildrover on August 19, 2013, 10:22:55 PM
Perhaps it was designed to guarantee all club players more than one big game in the calendar year. These men train their asses off from the beginning of January to play in big championship games. The entire league campaign is a warm-up and a mere side-show. The more big games (big crowds, good pitches, proper officials, national anthems) the players get the better.

The one-sided scores that have been posted so far in this year's championship matches are more of an indictment on the clubs that have shipped the scores rather than the new championship format.

As with the race for Sam Maguire, the race for Frank O Hare will have a few mismatches at the start. But the best teams will progress and all games from the quarter finals on should be competitive. Ultimately the best team will win.

I don't see how lads from the kingdom or loughanisland will get better by going through the humiliating they have received over the last couple of days. If anything it will set them back!!!!

They have had a graphic illustration of where they need to be in order to be successful. It is now up to them to decide if they want to work hard enough to close the gap. The competition shouldn't be formatted to hide some club's inadequacies. It should be about showcasing excellence (So far Burren). Players and clubs who put the work in deserve optimum opportunity to showcase it. This years championship caters for that.

Incidentally the Longstone v Downpatrick game was excellent quality and ultra-competitive. The Warrenpoint v Saval game was also hard-hitting and finished in a draw. The competition hasn't exactly been a dead rubber so far. The attendances have also been very good at this stage and promise to get even better for the final round of group games with so much at stake.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on August 19, 2013, 11:01:18 PM
Any scores from the Junior championship games this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on August 19, 2013, 11:10:21 PM
Quote from: ranch on August 19, 2013, 11:01:18 PM
Any scores from the Junior championship games this weekend?
Quote

    Round 2
    St Colman's Drumaness 2-8 V 5-8 St Paul's
    Mitchels 1-11 V 1-10 Killyleagh
    Teconnaught 4-10 V 0-8 Aughlisnafin
    Bright 6-10 V 1-6 St Michael's
    Ardglass 4-21 V 1-4 Ballykinlar
    Dromara 1-6 V 0-12 Aghaderg

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 22, 2013, 09:02:56 PM
Burren 9.9 CPN 0.4 a great start to Warrenpoints 125 weekend :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on August 22, 2013, 10:06:17 PM
Rubbing it in their a tad downjim...
I can't mind a bigger score line being accumulated in a Div 1 game in my memory? Can anyone else on here mind a bigger score line?
Did u get to the game downjim?
Was it a case of Burren being on form or were the Point as poor as the score line suggests?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 22, 2013, 10:23:39 PM
I can't for the life of me see how games like these will help either team or football in general in the county for that matter.  It will get worse next year too as the clubs likely to come up are not even near as good as the clubs likely to go down.  I was going to ask for my money back at ht ffs!!!

Time to go back to the old tried and tested.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 23, 2013, 10:11:32 AM
Glenn cant even make the quarter final of intermediate yet they could be playing senior next treat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 23, 2013, 10:15:12 AM
It's time to let second teams into the senior leagues. Ive no doubt burre bridge and kilcoo would have excellent teams in junior league. It might not help smaller clubs but why prevent players whowould want to play a better standard develop further.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on August 23, 2013, 11:25:40 AM
The ACPRL is a better standard than div 3, if the top 5 teams is div 3 played in the ACPRL div 1 they would not finish above 4th position in the league , the county board should never have changed from the 10 team leagues them leagues meant every team had to play right to the end of the year as in div 1 top 4 and bottom 4 a few years ago was only a few points difference. if st johns do well and get promoted to the top division they will get ate up by burren , kilcoo , bryansford etc there is simply to much gluff in class
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 23, 2013, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: islandchampions08 on August 23, 2013, 11:25:40 AM
The ACPRL is a better standard than div 3, if the top 5 teams is div 3 played in the ACPRL div 1 they would not finish above 4th position in the league , the county board should never have changed from the 10 team leagues them leagues meant every team had to play right to the end of the year as in div 1 top 4 and bottom 4 a few years ago was only a few points difference. if st johns do well and get promoted to the top division they will get ate up by burren , kilcoo , bryansford etc there is simply to much gluff in class

It's not the county board who makes change, they just implement it. The proposal for change came from one or more clubs, and was approved by a majority of clubs.

You really have two sets of selfish needs working together to push through a change like this.

First is the clubs who want to protect their D1 / D2 status, and would rather play in a weaker version of what they're in, than maybe take a few years at a lower level to work themselves back to the necessary standard for a tougher league.

The other ones are the clubs who just want to play at a higher level than they've achieved, just to see what it's like and the kudos that goes with it, rather than work their way there.

I'd guess most clubs in the county belong to one of those groups. After a few years of getting beaten around like wet lettuces, the number of clubs in the second group will get smaller. At that time we might again be able to revert to a league structure that places teams at the right level, improves teams and conditions them for bigger challenges.

Only 6-7 years ago Down league structures were regarded by central council as the model to follow. As I mentioned earlier on in this thread about Championship structures, there's too many people in the GAA who want to meddle more than they want to play.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 23, 2013, 01:53:57 PM
Coming from a club who have been in division 2 recently and are in danger of going there again, I certainly do not want Rostrevor anywhere near the second division. It will be of no benefit whatsoever to the club. Last season in Division two some of the scorelines were ridiculous and we won it at a canter, next year with any decent teams from Div 2 already being promoted to Div 1 for this season, if we go back down again (no offence to the clubs in there) it will be a joke. Don't understand why anyone would want the leagues this way. You want it as competitive as possible as far down the league structure as you can. It simply isn't the case with this one. Similarly I fear for whoever comes up from Division two this season as they will be on the end of a few hammerings for sure. That said, Rostrevor have enough time left to get themselves out of this situation and it is still in our own hands.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on August 23, 2013, 04:41:06 PM
Not one team in division 2 could compete with the top 12 teams in division one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on August 23, 2013, 04:55:30 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 23, 2013, 10:15:12 AM
It's time to let second teams into the senior leagues. Ive no doubt burre bridge and kilcoo would have excellent teams in junior league. It might not help smaller clubs but why prevent players whowould want to play a better standard develop further.
Couldn't agree more. I think the best model is to introduce one or maybe two extra divisions and incorporate all senior teams into the All county league structure, including IIs and IIIs teams. There are clubs whos thirds would easily beat some of the division 3 teams. I know in Armagh they split their Junior league in two, which meant the weaker teams at the bottom had more competitive football and the stronger teams likewise weren't cruising to facile victories every other weekend. If we took this approach things might level themselves out a bit. Granted at the top of the division there are also massive gulfs. I suppose this time next year will paint a more accurate picture of where things are at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 23, 2013, 09:03:54 PM
A rip roaring game in Petit Park this evening with the Reds winning by 2 points as the Town lost their way in semi-darkness second half. 1.8 to 0.9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 23, 2013, 09:31:49 PM
It was a tight game but the standard of play was poor. A shocking amount of wides in the first half cost the Town but no argument with the result.
The Reds just wanted it a whole lot more. Off the ball stuff wasn't nice-
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on August 24, 2013, 12:00:09 AM
Rostrevor 1-08 0-09 Castlewellan
Entertaining enough game by virtue of the close score-line and the lively Rostrevor crowd in Petit Park this evening. In wet conditions handling was fairly poor on both sides and the turnover count was huge. Massive win for the reds and it breathes life into their battle for survival. Town were fairly lacklustre and barring the first 20mins when they kicked 7-8 wides they never looked energetic enough to deal with a pumped up home team. Best for Rostrevor was there No 6 and Brian Cole up front. Castlewellans best performer was Barry Travers. A few off-the-ball incidents but all handbags really.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on August 24, 2013, 12:54:46 AM
Anyone get to Eoghain Rua Pairc for the East Down Derby game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on August 24, 2013, 01:04:03 AM
in reply to your absurd assertion that no team in div 2 can compete with the top 12 in div 1 would suggest that you look at annaclone newly promoted who are presently 5th from the top .incidentally they were beaten by drumgath  in the intermediate championship last year .they fielded virtually the same team then that has won through to such a high position in div1. if rostrevor go down it will simply be that they are not good enough for div1. thats the purpose of promotion and relegation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 24, 2013, 08:41:20 AM
Quote from: lucan on August 24, 2013, 01:04:03 AM
in reply to your absurd assertion that no team in div 2 can compete with the top 12 in div 1 would suggest that you look at annaclone newly promoted who are presently 5th from the top .incidentally they were beaten by drumgath  in the intermediate championship last year .they fielded virtually the same team then that has won through to such a high position in div1. if rostrevor go down it will simply be that they are not good enough for div1. thats the purpose of promotion and relegation.

lucan take a look at their championship performances though, annihilated, I watched tullylish banbridge last night and couldn't help thinking that tullylish were in for some serious hammerings next year. banbridge won 13-08 and the scoreline is very kind on tullylish, there was nothing wrong with the old league structures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on August 24, 2013, 09:30:34 AM
''in reply to your absurd assertion that no team in div 2 can compete with the top 12 in div 1 would suggest that you look at annaclone newly promoted who are presently 5th from the top .incidentally they were beaten by drumgath  in the intermediate championship last year .they fielded virtually the same team then that has won through to such a high position in div1. if rostrevor go down it will simply be that they are not good enough for div1. thats the purpose of promotion and relegation.''

six teams came up from division 2 last year and look at the league this year! 4 of them occupy the bottom four places as things sit at the minute and the teams that came up are far better than the teams that are going to come up this year. your point on annaclone is valid but I cant help but feel sorry for the division 2 teams next year as hammerings arnt good for team moral as my team learned last week at the hands of kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 26, 2013, 09:01:23 AM
Quote from: downjim on August 23, 2013, 10:15:12 AM
It's time to let second teams into the senior leagues. Ive no doubt burre bridge and kilcoo would have excellent teams in junior league. It might not help smaller clubs but why prevent players whowould want to play a better standard develop further.

Of course Kilcoo IIs would do well- their top 13 is a joke. How else could they have two county senior players playing in the ACPRFL?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 26, 2013, 09:20:46 AM
Quote from: lucan on August 24, 2013, 01:04:03 AM
in reply to your absurd assertion that no team in div 2 can compete with the top 12 in div 1 would suggest that you look at annaclone newly promoted who are presently 5th from the top .incidentally they were beaten by drumgath  in the intermediate championship last year .they fielded virtually the same team then that has won through to such a high position in div1. if rostrevor go down it will simply be that they are not good enough for div1. thats the purpose of promotion and relegation.

And if you read my comment you would have seen that I said any decent teams (i.e. Annaclone etc) have already been promoted from the second division (thus making it weaker) last season - that was the premise of my point. That is also why someone else said Div 2 team wouldn't compete with top 12 div 1, because any that had a chance of doing so are already promoted as a result of six teams going up last season. I would know a few people who play for the teams currently occupying the top three spots in Div 2 and they even admit that a lot of them don't want to go up because of exactly the reasons mentioned in here. There is a clear gulf in class which benefits no one really. As for Rostrevor not being good enough if they get relegated, fair enough, your opinion but don't agree and in any case I think they will survive. If you win the second division at a canter again are you too good for the second division by the same token, as well as not being good enough for division 1? Where do we go then?

On the game Friday night, hard fought win for the reds which was much needed. True we wanted and needed it more than the town. Off the ball stuff was silly. First bit of luck in front of goal we have had all year at both ends with a couple of handy frees missed by the town and our goal coming at the right time after an initial shot off the post. A few games left now to try and drag ourselves out of this mess, but it would have been a lot harder if we hadn't got the 2 points Friday. Point v An Rioct tomorrow evening could be interesting, a kingdom win would leave the point's task very difficult.

Ps looking at the table it is quite extraordinary that Liatriom, An Rioct and Wpoint have nearly exactly the same score difference, with Liatriom and An Riocts identical - For 134 Against 183, Points Against is 184 and all four bottom teams have score 134 points!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 26, 2013, 05:40:42 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 26, 2013, 09:01:23 AM
Quote from: downjim on August 23, 2013, 10:15:12 AM
It's time to let second teams into the senior leagues. Ive no doubt burre bridge and kilcoo would have excellent teams in junior league. It might not help smaller clubs but why prevent players whowould want to play a better standard develop further.

Of course Kilcoo IIs would do well- their top 13 is a joke. How else could they have two county senior players playing in the ACPRFL?
Terry o hanlon and Jerome Johnston are probably still on kilcoo first 13  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on August 26, 2013, 08:46:29 PM
How's the Minor A championship going in Down this year? Who would be favourites? I'd imagine Warrenpoint will be strong with 11/12 of last years side underage again this year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Buffer on August 26, 2013, 09:13:57 PM
Who's the two county players who play for kilcoo 2nds??? No downjim terry and Jerome retired along time ago,don't be so silly have you not been watching any football this 8years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 27, 2013, 03:23:40 AM
Downjim was being sarcastic! Darragh O'Hanlon and Jerome junior played this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 27, 2013, 06:14:43 PM
The branigans played for kilcoo seconds this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Buffer on August 27, 2013, 06:55:54 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 27, 2013, 06:14:43 PM
The branigans played for kilcoo seconds this year



I didn't see any branigans playing for down this year jimbo, Jerome didn't play 2nds football at all and darragh Ohanlon was with the u21s but didnt play any county senior football, Barry travers was with the county at the start of the year and played 2nds all year,no???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 27, 2013, 07:41:19 PM
Barry Travers was never with Down and Jerome played seconds against Castlewellan. Did Darragh not get  McKenna cup game? Even if he didnt how is he not in top 13?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on August 27, 2013, 08:36:21 PM
Its probably due to the fact that Kilcoo have so many top class players like Burren have as well that they have a headache in selecting their top 13.
Also, I think the ruling is that you are allowed to change players in and out of the top 13 until a certain date are you not? It's a cloudy area to be fair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Buffer on August 27, 2013, 10:10:57 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 27, 2013, 07:41:19 PM
Barry Travers was never with Down and Jerome played seconds against Castlewellan. Did Darragh not get  McKenna cup game? Even if he didnt how is he not in top 13?


Yes Jerome mite have played 2nds. No darragh didn't play any county senior football,so y should he be in the top 13?  Cant put them all in it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 27, 2013, 10:52:07 PM
Clubs should do the Top 13 right by putting their best players in it. Kilcoo seniors played Castlewellan on a Friday night and the seconds 2 days later. They played 11 men who played in the senior team in the seconds game. They are not the only club who do it but until clubs do the thing right there is no point talking about having seconds teams in any restructured division 4 which is why i made the point in the first place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 27, 2013, 11:37:28 PM
It is a bit simplistic to state that the top club's second teams would be flying at Division 2 and 3 level in the Down leagues.

Remember that if they were incorporated into the all county structure then their games would be the same time as their senior teams. Hypothetically speaking, the senior panel would probably be looking to take 22/23 players at the very least to each game.

This would have a serious knock on effect to the quality of a seconds team that would be taking to the field that night too.

I've no doubt that if the fixtures were on separate nights then the likes of Burren, Kilcoo and Castlewellan 2nds would be handy enough Division 2 teams.

However, with games on the same nights I'd say that these seconds teams wouldn't be much better than a top Division 3 team.

Look at Crossmaglen 2nds for example. They are one of the best club teams in Ireland but their seconds team generally operates in the middle echelons of Junior football in Armagh. Again, they play at the same time as their seniors and thus this weakens their hand.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on August 27, 2013, 11:42:12 PM
Nail on head there DF.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on August 28, 2013, 12:04:50 AM
Surely any 2nd teams playing in 3rd division would be classed as a separate 'club' and therefore have to submit a different list of players? Did 2nds teams not compete in the junior championship about 20 years ago? in Armagh there are about 5 or 6 2nd teams in the all county league/junior championship. Maybe something worth looking at in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 28, 2013, 03:36:54 AM
They did until about 15 years ago. They had to set up the Premier Reserve championship as seconds teams were winning the Junior championship which was seen as unfair to the smaller clubs.
I see your point Downfanatic but in any new structure involving seconds teams lower league games woukd have to be on a different day. All senior games used to be on a Sunday until the 90s
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 28, 2013, 08:04:01 AM
I don't understand the concept behind merging 2nds teams with the main leagues.

Fundamentally it needs restrictions to ensure that two teams from the same club cannot compete in the same league or championship. So for any 2nds players, after they've played two successful seasons at league level, they'll have reached the highest stage they're going to.

I can't personally see how that scenario would be in any way more rewarding than competing in ACRPL1. And given that ACPRL1 is a genuinely competitive league, then why take these players into an environment in which they'll go to the likes of Fin or Ballykinler and win by 50 points? Yep they'll have a few tough games, but most of them would be cake walks.


I would though restructure 2nds football a bit differently once past ACPRL1, and have an East Down D1 and South Down D1, in which the top two teams in each would face each other in play-offs to take the two relegated positions in ACPRL1 each year.

ACPRL2 is an inconsistent league as it stands because a number of teams aren't genuinely 2nds teams; they're pulled together on a Sunday morning from full senior players through to boys who have to be dragged out of bed. Largely, in my mind, because travelling over an hour each way to fixtures means giving up your entire Sunday for football. That's too much for players who aren't 100% committed.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on August 28, 2013, 08:47:15 AM
This is a real Tory attitude by looking the strong clubs to get stronger and the weak clubs to get weaker.  I can really see why kilcoo are in favour of this happening as if its gets them more revenue to sort out solicitors for their misdemeanors on then field of play then they will of course indorse this attitude.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 28, 2013, 11:13:08 AM
Funnily enough just on the topic of Reserve football, there are only six teams left in the East Down Reserve League. What makes this even more alarming is the fact that it is a 13-a-side league.

Two of the remaining teams are 3rds offerings which means that there are only actually four 2nd strings remaining.

Emigration and 6pm throw ins on a Sunday evening are probably at the root of the problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on August 28, 2013, 12:28:29 PM
DF do you think the smaller clubs are getting smaller?? that's an alarming stat that only 4 of the smaller east down clubs have a 2nds team, how many of that 2nds team you speak of have a lot of senior players playing?

6pm on a sunday is a joke , 2nds football on a sunday also needs to be looked at, most 2nds players play for the craic and by having sunday games often means they have to sit in on a Saturday or probably more likely play the games with a hangover therefore making the games less competitive
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 28, 2013, 01:06:35 PM
Quote from: islandchampions08 on August 28, 2013, 12:28:29 PM
DF do you think the smaller clubs are getting smaller?? that's an alarming stat that only 4 of the smaller east down clubs have a 2nds team, how many of that 2nds team you speak of have a lot of senior players playing?

6pm on a sunday is a joke , 2nds football on a sunday also needs to be looked at, most 2nds players play for the craic and by having sunday games often means they have to sit in on a Saturday or probably more likely play the games with a hangover therefore making the games less competitive

Liatroim 3rds, Carryduff 3rds and Bryansford 3rds have a mix of 2nds players and 3rds while Darragh Cross, Dundrum, St Johns and Drumaness would on average have a third of their teams made up of Senior team starters.

Bright, Ardglass, Kilclief, St Paul's, Dromara, Ballykinlar and Aughlisnafin no longer have 2nds teams while Bredagh and Castlewellan no longer operate 3rds. Teconnaught and Saul recently pulled out of the Reserve league while Kilcoo 3rds operate in the PRFL.

Bryansford, Downpatrick, Loughinisland, Kilcoo, Liatroim, Castlewellan, Bredagh and Carryduff all have 2nds teams who play in the PRFL

Emigration is definitely a factor and probably the main one at that. It would be interesting to see if Reserve football at this level improved if it was changed to a Wednesday night for example.
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Post by: Buffer on August 28, 2013, 05:13:50 PM
Quote from: here comes 6 on August 28, 2013, 08:47:15 AM
This is a real Tory attitude by looking the strong clubs to get stronger and the weak clubs to get weaker.  I can really see why kilcoo are in favour of this happening as if its gets them more revenue to sort out solicitors for their misdemeanors on then field of play then they will of course indorse this attitude.


What do kilcoo need money for solicitors for??this was a serious discussion so feel free to join in again when you can think of a positive and constructive argument.  Haven't a clue what your talkin about.
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Post by: T O Hare on August 28, 2013, 05:19:15 PM
Reserve fixtures on a Sunday really need to be looks at especially the 6 o clock games. There has been a lot of Dnf in both south Down and east Down reserve leagues this year with a lot of teams pulling out of the leagues. I think the boards could look at changing the nights of the fixtures to accommodate the recreational footballer ;) although emigration has played a part in the non fixtures the timing of the matches certainly don't help matters. I had 9 at a thirds meeting back in March, a few phone calls, and having a bit of fun in the sdrfl2 seen the numbers blossom. We have a panel of 26 now for the championship final! But there were still instances on some Sunday's we're we were struggling to get a team due to family commitments, fellas away, etc
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Post by: ApresMatch on August 30, 2013, 09:22:07 PM
Down Fanatic, Darragh  Cross would never have 5 seniors starting. On a good night it be 3. The major problem is Sunday evenings. Alot  of them reserve players will have been in the senior squad on Friday and therefore out of the house. Many of them then are not wiling or allowed by their other halves to sacrifice their Sunday also. Would a Wednesday night work? Or even 1 o'clock on a Sunday? I know we'd get a much better team at 1 than 6.
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Post by: Buffer on August 31, 2013, 03:30:37 PM
Great result for the ford lastnite,especially with 14 men for most of the game, ref got it wrong it was never a red card. King at midfield dominated and gribben was fantastic
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Post by: maldini on September 02, 2013, 09:46:46 AM
Three junior teams and one intermediate team didn't field in the weekends championship matches.

I hear Drumaness had a chance of making the semis and needed to beat Bright by a big score, but Bright didn't turn up.

Turns the whole thing into a farce

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Post by: DaisyCutter on September 02, 2013, 10:15:11 AM
Plus a few teams not fulfilling their Premier Reserve League Fixtures either yesterday...
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Post by: downjim on September 02, 2013, 12:30:40 PM
Saval did not turn up either. They made a poor bridge team look good
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Post by: Buffer on September 02, 2013, 03:15:29 PM
Could anyone tell me when the draw is being made for the next round of the senior championship?
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Post by: angermanagement on September 02, 2013, 03:53:26 PM
After the match tonight.
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Post by: DaisyCutter on September 02, 2013, 04:31:22 PM
Will it be an open draw or will it be for example: Winners of Group 1 Vs Runners Up of Group 2...etc??
I know that you cant play the same team in your group again....e.g: Bryansford Vs Burren.
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Post by: Town Gael on September 02, 2013, 07:39:24 PM
Winners play runners up. Teams nit fielding has shown everyone that the groups are a disaster. Straight knockout is tge only way championship football should be played
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on September 02, 2013, 10:27:52 PM
Castlewellan v Burren
Bridge v L'island
Kilcoo v Clonduff
Saval v B'ford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 03, 2013, 12:02:24 AM
Big 4 kept apart again, couldnt make it up ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 03, 2013, 09:39:09 AM
Quote from: supersub on September 03, 2013, 12:02:24 AM
Big 4 kept apart again, couldnt make it up ;)

Group winners were kept apart. That was to be the case from the outset
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on September 03, 2013, 11:32:09 AM
Hope the big 4 make the quarters would be two facinating duels whoever is paired.... As for the Intermediate anyone out of the eight has a chance as far as I have seen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 03, 2013, 03:20:17 PM
Quote from: maldini on September 03, 2013, 09:39:09 AM
Quote from: supersub on September 03, 2013, 12:02:24 AM
Big 4 kept apart again, couldnt make it up ;)

Group winners were kept apart. That was to be the case from the outset

Hence the wink.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on September 03, 2013, 04:27:33 PM
Looking at the draws and going on performances I believe you would have to go with the following:
Burren (blip against Ford but expect them to come back)
Kilcoo (last years Ulster finalists plus clonduff will be without Arthur Mc Conville, John Fegan, PO Mc Conville, Paul Mc Polin, Patrick Mc Greevy who all played last time they shocked Kilcoo)
Mayobridge (the old players still pull the strings, think they will just have too much know how for L'island plus they have Conor Garvey back)
Bryansford (probably the most obvious tie of the round, Saval have been poor in there recent outings)

Standing at D'patrick match last night and it was a keenly contested affair. Best team probably won. Jamie O'Reilly would definitely be an asset to the county team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 03, 2013, 06:55:52 PM
Was it not a draw?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Buffer on September 03, 2013, 08:50:47 PM
No Jamie o'reilly netted at the end to give them a two point win,poor game but last 5 mins were interesting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on September 04, 2013, 09:38:35 PM
believe it or not buffer the match was actually a draw Jamie o'reilly palmed the ball over the bar in the last min thus drawing the game and hence loughinisland went through as a draw was all they needed!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on September 05, 2013, 07:15:38 AM
Are there top 4 playoffs this year or do the top team win the league?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on September 05, 2013, 09:44:19 AM
'If Tullylish don't win the Intermediate Football Championship, then the bottom 3 teams of Division one will be relegated!!! I would say that Rostrevor, Warrenpoint, An Riocht and Liatriom are all hoping for Tullylish to win IFC!!!!'

Umpire, how does this work??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 05, 2013, 09:55:46 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on September 05, 2013, 07:15:38 AM
Are there top 4 playoffs this year or do the top team win the league?

Division One and Two, the top finishing team would automatically contest the League Final whilst the team(s) in second and third place would meet with the winner contesting the league final.

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Post by: umpire on September 05, 2013, 10:19:30 AM
Quote from: Down Mad on September 05, 2013, 09:44:19 AM
'If Tullylish don't win the Intermediate Football Championship, then the bottom 3 teams of Division one will be relegated!!! I would say that Rostrevor, Warrenpoint, An Riocht and Liatriom are all hoping for Tullylish to win IFC!!!!'

Umpire, how does this work??

I have made a mistake with above quote. see below.

The two bottom finishing teams would be automatically relegated whilst the team finishing third from bottom in Division One would play the team finishing third in Division Two with the winner of that game gaining first division status for the following year.


In Championship.

if the Intermediate Winners were not one of the teams promoted to Division One then they would by virtue of winning the Intermediate Championship replace the team in the Senior Championship who won the right to either stay in Division One or were promoted from Division two by way of the third place play off.

In summation the Intermediate Championship winners will always be guaranteed the opportunity to play in the following years Senior Football Championship.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on September 05, 2013, 10:20:51 AM
I think you are wrong, Umpire, with regard to division 2.

The team which finishes top of div 2 wins the league and is promoted. 2nd place is automatically promoted as runners up and 3rd place team plays 3rd bottom team of div 1. The winner of that will gain/retain div 1 status!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 05, 2013, 10:25:13 AM
With regards to the league your initial statement is indeed wrong, always has been the case that the bottom two are automatically relegated and third bottom plays third in division 2. Not sure about Championship but would be a bit harsh if a team regains their Division 1 status by winning the playoff but aren't allowed into the Senior Championship the following year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 05, 2013, 01:01:49 PM
Any report from the Ford and Bridge game last night?? Had Byransford a full team playing??
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Post by: Down Follower on September 05, 2013, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 05, 2013, 01:01:49 PM
Any report from the Ford and Bridge game last night?? Had Byransford a full team playing??

Both teams were 80-90% - Bridge missing Benny/Gavin Barry, Ford missing Danny Savage.

Both teams missed a helluva lot of chances with Kevin O'Rourke hitting 4-5 wides in first half alone for the Bridge. Bryansford were very streaky and would go completely out of the game for long periods before hitting a puprle patch and hitting a run of scores.  Ford went 5 points up (1-10 to 0-08 or something similar), with about 15 minutes to go in one of those periods and looked to be cruising after soaking up a lot of Bridge pressure earlier in the half. Bridge looked lost without Benny at this stage before O'Rourke, mentioned already as hitting a load of wides, put the Bridge on his shoulders and carried them to a win.

Slight exaggeration maybe but he did have a terrific finish to the game.  He moved out the field from full forward and set up a number of scores for other players.

King did absolutely nothing from No. 11 while Bonny, Maginn and co. delivered plenty of promise but looked for goals far too often.  Good win for the Bridge without Benny and showed that there may be life after their great team as Pluggy and Conor Garvey also came off at half time.  Ford still look a very capable team and looked to be slightly thinking of over things to be honest. 

Good game, plenty of attacking football with the usual spells of all out defence thrown in.
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Post by: downjim on September 05, 2013, 03:34:18 PM
Thanks Down follower. Was Ryan Brady or Keith Quinn playing as I heard they are home. The Bridge could slip into a semi final under the rador and they could make a lot of people including myself eat humble pie. Although they are not what they were they would still not be a team that teams would not like to meet. They were dreadful at the start of the year.
Has anyone got odds for the championship?? Kilcoo and Byransford would be my favourites now
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Post by: Buffer on September 05, 2013, 09:28:59 PM
I def wouldn't right of burren,the defeat against the ford was probably a good result for them,they will be out to prove a point now,although castlewellan aren't gona lie down to them,burren defence will have there hands full with a young lively attacking line.should be interesting
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Post by: umpire on September 05, 2013, 10:06:09 PM
Paddy Power
11/4 Burren
11/4 Kilcoo
11/4 Mayobridge
3/1 Bryansford
9/1 Castlewellan
18/1 Clonduff
25/1 Saval
33/1 Loughinisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on September 07, 2013, 08:47:00 AM
Castlewellan beat a poor warrenpoint side last nite 5.23 to 0.7. This result (as does the burren v point result) only prove that division one needs to be reverted back to a 10/12 team league. IMO a 10 team div 1 and div 2 is the only way forward. No disrespect to teams at the bottom if div 1, because we were there for a few years but Their is too much of a gulf in class between the top and bottom teams. A 10 team league would garentee tight games almost every week. It would also make div 2 stronger and more competitive as was the case a few years back when we had this system. Results like last night don't stand well for the teams that get promoted next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Buffer on September 07, 2013, 09:32:23 AM
It's doing no one any good geting hiddens like that but castlewellan beat the point 38 to 7points while just a few weeks ago burren beat the same team 36 to 5 points, shows there's nothing between these two sides going into next weeks championship,should be an interesting game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on September 07, 2013, 11:19:52 AM
Quote from: Gaa for life on September 07, 2013, 08:47:00 AM
Castlewellan beat a poor warrenpoint side last nite 5.23 to 0.7. This result (as does the burren v point result) only prove that division one needs to be reverted back to a 10/12 team league. IMO a 10 team div 1 and div 2 is the only way forward. No disrespect to teams at the bottom if div 1, because we were there for a few years but Their is too much of a gulf in class between the top and bottom teams. A 10 team league would garentee tight games almost every week. It would also make div 2 stronger and more competitive as was the case a few years back when we had this system. Results like last night don't stand well for the teams that get promoted next year.

Exactly how do these two results prove anything ?????? Taking the point as an example before the start of the championship they got beat by 7 points on one occasion , That was the most all year ! they have been competitive most of the year taking a few big scalps along the way. As for the burren and castlewellan results they were relegated for both barring a miracle so is it really a big surprise they didn't turn up???

idiots who post knee jerk comments without any substance do my head in
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Post by: the derg on September 07, 2013, 11:33:21 AM
Good luck to Aghaderg today if they beat Killyleagh they will have won the division 3 title some going for the boys considering the amount of transfers and retirements there has been over the last few years great work being done out in that club with the hurling going strong as well.
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Post by: Town Gael on September 07, 2013, 03:09:27 PM


Exactly how do these two results prove anything ?????? Taking the point as an example before the start of the championship they got beat by 7 points on one occasion , That was the most all year ! they have been competitive most of the year taking a few big scalps along the way. As for the burren and castlewellan results they were relegated for both barring a miracle so is it really a big surprise they didn't turn up???

idiots who post knee jerk comments without any substance do my head in
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Warrenpoint haven't beaten anyone in the top half of the table so who are these big scalps you mention? Being competitive is no good if you still lose. Division 1 needs to be a 12 team league at most. Whoever get promoted to it for next year will be the whipping boys of the division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the derg on September 07, 2013, 08:02:03 PM
Aghaderg div 3 champions beating Killyleigh comfortably first title in 55 years 😄
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on September 07, 2013, 08:59:18 PM
Glenn promoted to Div 1 - Yeoooo!! Great performance against Bredagh.

(Congrats to Aghaderg)
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Post by: supersub on September 07, 2013, 09:08:01 PM
Rostrevor beat downpatrick by 2. Long stone beat the kingdom. Point and kingdom down by my reckoning.
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Post by: snoopdog on September 07, 2013, 09:12:48 PM
Quote from: the derg on September 07, 2013, 08:02:03 PM
Aghaderg div 3 champions beating Killyleigh comfortably first title in 55 years 😄
congrats to Aghaderg delighted for them. one in the eye for those that transferred out to near neighbours in the hope of success.
Best of luck in the junior championship, go one  better than last year.

Also well done to Glen good to see them back in top flight.

Had links with both clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 07, 2013, 10:51:05 PM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on September 07, 2013, 08:59:18 PM
Glenn promoted to Div 1 - Yeoooo!! Great performance against Bredagh.

(Congrats to Aghaderg)

Tullylish also up. Back in the top division for the first time since 1978. Good day for West Down. Hope Tullylish (especially) and Glenn prove the naysayers of the past few pages wrong.

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Post by: our_fella on September 08, 2013, 01:50:20 AM
Can see Glenn getting 3 points maximum next year in Div 1... Get it back to 10 teams!
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Post by: DownFanatic on September 08, 2013, 07:58:39 AM
Congrats to Aghaderg. Division 2 football and hopefully a JFC to add to it.

Well done to the Lish and Glenn. Fantastic achievement.

The IFC and JFC winners from last year both relegated back to the grade below (Warrenpoint and Dundrum). An Riocht down from Div 1 as well as Kilclief down from Div 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on September 08, 2013, 10:44:16 AM
Quote from: our_fella on September 08, 2013, 01:50:20 AM
Can see Glenn getting 3 points maximum next year in Div 1... Get it back to 10 teams!

I'm sure they'll score a few more than that, not many more though :)

Neither Glenn nor Tullylish have any hope of winning more than half a dozen games between them next year.  The tubes that voted through this joke of a league really need to take a look at themselves, and I know it was the clubs who agreed to it but its just not happening.  What was wrong with it the way it was?  Clubs had found their niche in either Div 1, 2, 3 or 4 with the odd few clubs like Warrenpoint, Annaclone too good for one division but not good enough for the one above.  Well done to Glenn and Tullylish on gaining promotion but they will be cannon fodder for many teams and ship some heavy defeats.  What good is that for football in Down or either of these clubs for that matter?
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Post by: washed_up on September 08, 2013, 10:53:14 AM
insecurity and self survival and i suppose you cant blame them for throwing up a wall for protectionism but really they(and everyone else) should take the rough with the smooth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on September 08, 2013, 12:12:45 PM
Quote from: washed_up on September 08, 2013, 10:53:14 AM
insecurity and self survival and i suppose you cant blame them for throwing up a wall for protectionism but really they(and everyone else) should take the rough with the smooth

What?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on September 08, 2013, 04:16:10 PM
Best wishes to Benny McArdle who suffered a bad head injury yesterday after colliding with a close pitchside Retainning wall in Annaclone yesterday.

Any reports from Burren yesterday as Clonduff beat them by a point.
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Post by: Buffer on September 08, 2013, 09:01:21 PM
Clonduff by a point in this game,they are hitting form at the right time going into play the magpies. Burren were short but still a very good result which they badly needed. What happened with mccardle,was he pushed in to the wall??
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Post by: DaisyCutter on September 09, 2013, 10:19:22 AM
He was shouldered out over the side line, but the wall is shockingly close to the sideline.
How they ever got that wall passed ill never no, as their are now strick guidlines in place in terms of run off areas outside the playing boundries.
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Post by: Down Follower on September 09, 2013, 11:17:26 AM
Quote from: Buffer on September 08, 2013, 09:01:21 PM
Clonduff by a point in this game,they are hitting form at the right time going into play the magpies. Burren were short but still a very good result which they badly needed.

This was a massive win for Clonduff because it wasnt looking especially good for them with Rostrevor and Liatrom seemingly on winning runs.  Clonduff by all accounts escaped the play off spot as a result of this win. Rostrevors win over Downpatrick and Loughinislands loss to Saval now brings those two teams back into the mix. 

Point and An Riocht gone, with playoff spot now between Rostrevor, Liatrom, Downpatrick and Loughinisland.

Loughinislands last game is at home to Burren.
Downpatricks last game is at home to Liatrom therefore one of these two will definitely escape.
Liatrom also have to play Saval away.
Rostrevor have two games left, home to Warrenpoint and home to Bryansford.

The actual play off should not overly concern any of these teams as you would expect them to defeat St Johns as it looks like in a play off.  However, unless Tullylish win the intermediate championship then the play off position will also mean the loss of senior championship status for 2014.
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Post by: southdown on September 09, 2013, 01:53:51 PM
Can someone post an updated Div 1 table? I cant for the life of me find it on down gaa site.
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Post by: passedit on September 09, 2013, 02:04:28 PM
QuoteTeam                Pld    Won    Draw    Lost    For    Against    Diff    Points
Castlewellan                    14    11    1    2    240    150    90    23
Burren                            13    10    1    2    244    152    92    21
Kilcoo                            14    10    1    3    208    150    58    21
Saval                            13    7    1    5    195    165    30    15
Bryansford                    12    7    0    5    175    149    26    14
Mayobridge                    14    6    2    6    205    199    6    14
Annaclone                    13    7    0    6    163    171    -8    14
Ballyholland                    12    7    0    5    119    135    -16    14
Clonduff                            14    6    0    8    149    173    -24    12
Longstone                    13    6    0    7    200    227    -27    12
RGU Downpatrick            14    5    1    8    160    171    -11    11
Loughinisland                    14    5    1    8    175    189    -14    11
Liatroim                            13    5    0    8    147    190    -43    10
Rostrevor                    13    4    1    8    147    171    -24    9
An Ríocht                            14    3    1    10    165    224    -59    7
Cumann Pheadair Naofa    14    3    0    11    159    235    -76    6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 09, 2013, 06:10:40 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on September 09, 2013, 11:17:26 AM
Quote from: Buffer on September 08, 2013, 09:01:21 PM
Clonduff by a point in this game,they are hitting form at the right time going into play the magpies. Burren were short but still a very good result which they badly needed.

This was a massive win for Clonduff because it wasnt looking especially good for them with Rostrevor and Liatrom seemingly on winning runs.  Clonduff by all accounts escaped the play off spot as a result of this win. Rostrevors win over Downpatrick and Loughinislands loss to Saval now brings those two teams back into the mix. 

Point and An Riocht gone, with playoff spot now between Rostrevor, Liatrom, Downpatrick and Loughinisland.

Loughinislands last game is at home to Burren.
Downpatricks last game is at home to Liatrom therefore one of these two will definitely escape.
Liatrom also have to play Saval away.
Rostrevor have two games left, home to Warrenpoint and home to Bryansford.

The actual play off should not overly concern any of these teams as you would expect them to defeat St Johns as it looks like in a play off.  However, unless Tullylish win the intermediate championship then the play off position will also mean the loss of senior championship status for 2014.

How long is this league format actually in place for? I have not seen many positives from it to be honest apart from the fact that for the first time in a few years the league programme will be finished in decent time.  But then when will the playoffs be done and dusted??
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Post by: DaisyCutter on September 09, 2013, 11:18:54 PM
It will probably be dragged till the 15th of December pauly2 like previous years and with about 250 spectators at the final on freezing cold night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 10, 2013, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on September 09, 2013, 06:10:40 PM
How long is this league format actually in place for? I have not seen many positives from it to be honest apart from the fact that for the first time in a few years the league programme will be finished in decent time.  But then when will the playoffs be done and dusted??

I think it has been quite a good league to be honest.  Why is everyone giving out about it?? Yes Warrenpoint have taken a couple of hammerings in their last two games but up until that they were quite competitive - they just appear to have given up the ghost.
An Riocht above them in 2nd bottom beat Kilcoo not that long ago and have also been competitive.
Rostrevor in 3rd bottom beat Castlewellan, the top team in the league only 2 weeks ago while Liatrom, 4th bottom, beat Mayobridge.  Clonduff are only after beating Burren!

I dont think you would find too many other counties where the 13/14/15 placed teams are capable of beating the top 2 or 3 on any given day.  Obviously there are circumstances which helped these teams to win but they still did it!

Tullylish and Glenn coming up next year along with possible one other via play off. They may well go back down the following year but so what - it will be great for them to play these BIG teams for the first time in donkeys years and who is to say they wont give them a rattle when playing at home in front of a partisan crowd.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 10, 2013, 01:35:43 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on September 10, 2013, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on September 09, 2013, 06:10:40 PM
How long is this league format actually in place for? I have not seen many positives from it to be honest apart from the fact that for the first time in a few years the league programme will be finished in decent time.  But then when will the playoffs be done and dusted??

I think it has been quite a good league to be honest.  Why is everyone giving out about it?? Yes Warrenpoint have taken a couple of hammerings in their last two games but up until that they were quite competitive - they just appear to have given up the ghost.
An Riocht above them in 2nd bottom beat Kilcoo not that long ago and have also been competitive.
Rostrevor in 3rd bottom beat Castlewellan, the top team in the league only 2 weeks ago while Liatrom, 4th bottom, beat Mayobridge.  Clonduff are only after beating Burren!

I dont think you would find too many other counties where the 13/14/15 placed teams are capable of beating the top 2 or 3 on any given day.  Obviously there are circumstances which helped these teams to win but they still did it!
Tullylish and Glenn coming up next year along with possible one other via play off. They may well go back down the following year but so what - it will be great for them to play these BIG teams for the first time in donkeys years and who is to say they wont give them a rattle when playing at home in front of a partisan crowd.

Lets be honest about this - in a game of football anyone can beat anyone on a given day.  The fact that there has been so much lost revenue for clubs this year where they had to travel to teams for their only fixture means the clubs are at a loss.  Every year there are the teams who lose out to their opponents in the first game and when the reverse fixture comes around they go into battle with an added edge.  thats what is missing this year.  you play the local derby and then have to wait a full year (if you havent been relegated in the meantime) to play them again at home.. That is a joke. 
The championship has been a farce - all the teams that were expected to get to the quarter finals have got there.  Now that its knockout and the "big" teams have momentum - the semi final lineup is almost going to be Burren, Mayobridge, Bryansford and Kilcoo.  Thats the first mouthwatering games of the championship and we have had to wait until the end of September for them.  Gone are the days when you claimed the big scalp in round one and lifted the parish.  Gone are the days when you had a big two pitted together in the first round and you knew at least one wasn going any further. 
Structure needs changed back to what it was - GAA is about tradition - Why do we keep breaking it...
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Post by: thewobbler on September 10, 2013, 02:14:53 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on September 10, 2013, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on September 09, 2013, 06:10:40 PM
How long is this league format actually in place for? I have not seen many positives from it to be honest apart from the fact that for the first time in a few years the league programme will be finished in decent time.  But then when will the playoffs be done and dusted??

I think it has been quite a good league to be honest.  Why is everyone giving out about it?? Yes Warrenpoint have taken a couple of hammerings in their last two games but up until that they were quite competitive - they just appear to have given up the ghost.
An Riocht above them in 2nd bottom beat Kilcoo not that long ago and have also been competitive.
Rostrevor in 3rd bottom beat Castlewellan, the top team in the league only 2 weeks ago while Liatrom, 4th bottom, beat Mayobridge.  Clonduff are only after beating Burren!

I dont think you would find too many other counties where the 13/14/15 placed teams are capable of beating the top 2 or 3 on any given day.  Obviously there are circumstances which helped these teams to win but they still did it!

Tullylish and Glenn coming up next year along with possible one other via play off. They may well go back down the following year but so what - it will be great for them to play these BIG teams for the first time in donkeys years and who is to say they wont give them a rattle when playing at home in front of a partisan crowd.

The 12 team leagues always produced a handful of dead rubbers at the end of the season. The 10 team leagues produced next to none. The 15 team leagues are awash with them this year. And next year, when there's going to be a series of fixtures between SFC standard teams and IFC standard teams, and in some cases, SFC standard teams against JFC standard teams, it's going to be even worse again.

But Wee Johnny is going to be able to say he played D1 football. Good for him.
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Post by: here comes 6 on September 10, 2013, 03:46:25 PM
Does anyone on here have anything positive to say? I think not! Ok so burren mayobridge clonduff kilcoo and the rest of the so call big teams are going to find it easy against the weaker teams that are already at the bottom of division 1. I do recall kilcoo a number of years back not being in division 1 clonduff also. Castwellan didn't get too many points two years ago when in the old first division. I'm not saying I'm in total favour of the way the leagues are being run at the minute but there's very little we can do only get on withit as best we can. Maybe the way the big clubs want it is to abolish all leagues and just let the big 5/6 play amoung themselves
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Post by: stiff breeze on September 10, 2013, 09:55:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 10, 2013, 02:14:53 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on September 10, 2013, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on September 09, 2013, 06:10:40 PM
How long is this league format actually in place for? I have not seen many positives from it to be honest apart from the fact that for the first time in a few years the league programme will be finished in decent time.  But then when will the playoffs be done and dusted??

I think it has been quite a good league to be honest.  Why is everyone giving out about it?? Yes Warrenpoint have taken a couple of hammerings in their last two games but up until that they were quite competitive - they just appear to have given up the ghost.
An Riocht above them in 2nd bottom beat Kilcoo not that long ago and have also been competitive.
Rostrevor in 3rd bottom beat Castlewellan, the top team in the league only 2 weeks ago while Liatrom, 4th bottom, beat Mayobridge.  Clonduff are only after beating Burren!

I dont think you would find too many other counties where the 13/14/15 placed teams are capable of beating the top 2 or 3 on any given day.  Obviously there are circumstances which helped these teams to win but they still did it!

Tullylish and Glenn coming up next year along with possible one other via play off. They may well go back down the following year but so what - it will be great for them to play these BIG teams for the first time in donkeys years and who is to say they wont give them a rattle when playing at home in front of a partisan crowd.

The 12 team leagues always produced a handful of dead rubbers at the end of the season. The 10 team leagues produced next to none. The 15 team leagues are awash with them this year. And next year, when there's going to be a series of fixtures between SFC standard teams and IFC standard teams, and in some cases, SFC standard teams against JFC standard teams, it's going to be even worse again.

But Wee Johnny is going to be able to say he played D1 football. Good for him.

When there was a ten team div 1 the top 3 teams were still miles ahead of the rest, there was a middle pack and 2 or three who struggled.  The only difference now is that the middle pack is larger. As for wee johnny he wont get much of an idea of what div 1 standard football is when he plays 13 man behind the ball ballyholland.
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Post by: pauly2 on September 11, 2013, 10:17:45 AM


When there was a ten team div 1 the top 3 teams were still miles ahead of the rest, there was a middle pack and 2 or three who struggled.  The only difference now is that the middle pack is larger. As for wee johnny he wont get much of an idea of what div 1 standard football is when he plays 13 man behind the ball ballyholland.
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13 man behind the ball is the new blue print for some teams.  I cant wait to see teams go toe to toe in this championship over the weekend.  a lot of teams have been guilty of negative tactics this year - but they will point to results and their position in the league and say it has been worth it as they are still in senior football next season.  There are no rules against it so why not use it.  But some clubs who set out their agenda at the beginning of the year of staying in top flight football should do so the real way.  Ballyholland, Annaclone, Laoitrim, An Riocht all play this system and although Warrenpoint are relegated already - at least they played football and were attractive to watch in most games this year.
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Post by: supersub on September 11, 2013, 11:06:20 AM
In terms of the bottom few places in the league and the gulf in class etc, Castlewellen were in Division 2 not so long ago, as were Ballyholland, similarly Annaclone came up and have cemented their place in the top Division. It shows that hard work and a team of players committed to the cause can compete at the higher level. Annaclone were in a Division 3 relegation play off about 3 years ago, and now they are going to finish top half division 1 - with the same 15 men give or take a couple of squad players.

As for us, a club who played Division 2 last year and back up again having walked it really - our team has totally changed and the inexperience has showed in a lot of games this year where we just failed to get over the line. We were competitive in the majority of our matches showing great effort and despite having a depleted squad have been able to steer clear of automatic relegation and hopefully altogether over the coming weeks. A few teams shipped heavy defeats especially in the last while but most of our dropped points were tight affairs and were weren't out classed in a lot of the games. We could have beaten Kilcoo away only they got a goal at the end, we should have beaten Annaclone, An Rioct (after giving away 9 point lead), ran Burren close, could have taken Ballyholland on the night - add in our four wins and still have Point and Bryansford to play that's 11 out of 15 league games covered. The Mayobridge and Saval games were admittedly complete disasters for us and took a heavy kicking against the Bridge on an embarrassing night for all involved. This leaves away to Loughinisland and Clonduff, both very poor performances and came away with 0 points, but they are games/teams that we would not fear playing and would be confident of beating on another day for sure.

The above is not an excuse for our relegation fight over the last few weeks, it is just to show how we did compete with the other teams in the league over the season, just lacked the experience to close out games and killer instinct in front of goal in a good few. Yes the bigger teams are better, but I would certainly be confident that given the squad we had for the year and with it looking like we will be in Div 1 again next year we will be competitive and able to challenge any team in the league on a given day, hopefully finishing in a bit more comfortable position this time next year.
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Post by: charlieTully on September 11, 2013, 12:35:17 PM
The annaclone blueprint for success... Poach the best players of your neighbours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 11, 2013, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 11, 2013, 11:06:20 AM
In terms of the bottom few places in the league and the gulf in class etc, Castlewellen were in Division 2 not so long ago, as were Ballyholland, similarly Annaclone came up and have cemented their place in the top Division. It shows that hard work and a team of players committed to the cause can compete at the higher level. Annaclone were in a Division 3 relegation play off about 3 years ago, and now they are going to finish top half division 1 - with the same 15 men give or take a couple of squad players.

As for us, a club who played Division 2 last year and back up again having walked it really - our team has totally changed and the inexperience has showed in a lot of games this year where we just failed to get over the line. We were competitive in the majority of our matches showing great effort and despite having a depleted squad have been able to steer clear of automatic relegation and hopefully altogether over the coming weeks. A few teams shipped heavy defeats especially in the last while but most of our dropped points were tight affairs and were weren't out classed in a lot of the games. We could have beaten Kilcoo away only they got a goal at the end, we should have beaten Annaclone, An Rioct (after giving away 9 point lead), ran Burren close, could have taken Ballyholland on the night - add in our four wins and still have Point and Bryansford to play that's 11 out of 15 league games covered. The Mayobridge and Saval games were admittedly complete disasters for us and took a heavy kicking against the Bridge on an embarrassing night for all involved. This leaves away to Loughinisland and Clonduff, both very poor performances and came away with 0 points, but they are games/teams that we would not fear playing and would be confident of beating on another day for sure.

The above is not an excuse for our relegation fight over the last few weeks, it is just to show how we did compete with the other teams in the league over the season, just lacked the experience to close out games and killer instinct in front of goal in a good few. Yes the bigger teams are better, but I would certainly be confident that given the squad we had for the year and with it looking like we will be in Div 1 again next year we will be competitive and able to challenge any team in the league on a given day, hopefully finishing in a bit more comfortable position this time next year.

So this is from a team, Rostrevor I presume, who are ranked 14th in the league this year - a lot of defeats but not hammerings bar the one exception.  I would expect a similar story to be heard from members of Warrenpoint and An Riocht (bar the Points last 2 games).  Why are people from other clubs giving out about the likes of Glenn and Tullylish coming up.  I can guarantee you that their players arent giving out about it and probably fancy themselves against the likes of Liatrom, Rostrevor, Loughinisland, Ballyholland etc etc etc.  There are only 3 teams this year who have consistently risen to a level above the others and that is the top 3 of Burren, Kilcoo and Castlwellan.  Burren and Kilcoo have been there for a number of years now so it doesnt matter whether its a 10 or 16 team league, they will be at the top, and will give the bottom teams in the league one or two hammerings along the way.

If Glenn or Tullylish, or St Johns, do end up getting hammered every week, do you know what will happen, they will get relegated!!!  10, 12, 14 or 16 team league doesnt make much of a difference to be honest.  I have seen a lot of games in Div 1 this year and the vast vast majority of them have been close hard fought affairs no matter who has been playing.
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Post by: supersub on September 11, 2013, 02:27:03 PM
Yes that's the point I am making, this gulf in class doesn't come in the form of 30 point wins every game - it just shows over a season, but a lot of games are very competitive. Indeed you may ask the same question of the other lower teams, and may get the same answer. The fact in our case is we could actually finish mid table with two wins from the last two games because we have shown the effort and commitment continuously especially in the last few games to drag ourselves up despite being knocked back so many times earlier in the season.
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Post by: Town Gael on September 12, 2013, 07:22:30 AM
This years senior championship will destroy next years premier reserve championship. How many teams will struggle to field due to players being tied, especially with dead rubber games meaning clubs rested their entire first 15 in some cases? Other clubs gave lads a run out in games they were winning handily who would not normally get a game. Something needs to be done or there will be no reserve championships.
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Post by: outinfront on September 12, 2013, 10:29:29 AM
The rule as it stands isn't great any way.  A 5 minute substitution appearance in senior championship means you can't play reserve the next year.  Not fair really IMO.
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Post by: passedit on September 12, 2013, 11:44:08 AM
Quote from: outinfront on September 12, 2013, 10:29:29 AM
The rule as it stands isn't great any way.  A 5 minute substitution appearance in senior championship means you can't play reserve the next year.  Not fair really IMO.

That one's easy fixed, as we now have group games change it from one appearance for the senior team to two in the previous season.

Either that or police the excluded player list properly. (Excluded player must have played championship for the grade above in the previous year maybe)
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Post by: thewobbler on September 12, 2013, 02:48:35 PM
Speaking as a career reserve footballer, any player who gets the chance to play Senior Championship really shouldn't be bothered if it rules them of a Reserve Championship for a year.

If they're good enough for a senior panel, they should be aiming for senior team and not keeping one eye on the lower level.
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Post by: supersub on September 12, 2013, 04:46:26 PM
True but think the initial point was about it being detrimental for the club as a whole rather than individuals as there are less/not enough players available for selection in the reserve championship the following year.
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Post by: ardtole on September 12, 2013, 07:06:17 PM
A lot of lads who pay their membership at the start of the year expect to have their game every week and would rather play a full game for the reserves than do sub for the seniors. I would have sympathy for a reserve team player who was called up for the senior team due to injury, suspension etc dropped then for the next game when first choice returns and cannot play reserve championship the following year.
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Post by: outinfront on September 12, 2013, 09:00:20 PM
That's sort of what I meant.  Senior championship should be the aim, but a short appearance really shouldn't rule you out of reserves the next year.  With the group games a lot of squad members probably got run outs this year and yes that will be detrimental to the reserve championship team next year under the current rules.  The reserve championship is always a good competition!
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Post by: Town Gael on September 12, 2013, 09:39:12 PM
Obviously everyone should aspire to play senior championship football but not everyone can.  The PRFC means a lot to players whose level that is and to see it diminished by the senior group format this year is, I believe, not on. It would have a detrimental impact on younger players and clubs if it were to be abolished due to teams being unable to field. Some good ideas already mentioned like playing two league games before being tied could be an option or allowing 3 players who would have been tied to play but not allowing any top 13 play might also help
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Post by: thewobbler on September 12, 2013, 10:00:34 PM
I think the last couple of posters are missing the point that nobody forces anyone to tog out for Senior Championship. If you're putting on a tracksuit it's not so you can spend 60 minutes in the stand.

If you are then put out on the field, that makes you a senior footballer. Reserves shouldn't be for senior footballers.
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Post by: Town Gael on September 12, 2013, 10:08:35 PM
I don't think you get what I mean thewobbler. I played both senior (as a sub) and reserve championship football but I was by no means a senior footballer. Next year Liatroim reserve players won't get any championship football as they won't make the senior team and as in their last group game this year the seniors played their seconds team they won't have enough men to field. I'm sure they won't be the only ones. You have to cater for all players and not just the best in the club.

I would have been gutted as a reserve player to have missed out on a years championship because my club couldn't field due to a flawed senior championship system the previous year.
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Post by: ardtole on September 13, 2013, 07:24:08 AM
I dont think.anyone is disputing that anyone would not want to play sfc. But because of the new structures in place clubs are likely to have to use more players due to the extra games, resulting in extra injuries, suspensions etc. Now when the reserve player gets the call up to the senior squad ive no doubt he will be delighted, proud etc. He might get the last ten mins, his club might not make it out of the group stage and he loses a year of championship football the following year at his "proper" level.

Its a bit of a connundrum and it will be next year before its effects will be noticed. Unfortunatrly it wont affect our club at this moment in time, tough enough to get one team on the pitch.
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Post by: DaddyLongLegs on September 13, 2013, 09:15:17 AM
Anyone else been following the JFC issue on Hogan Stand re Dromara/Drumaness/County Board? Not going to go into the details (see Hogan Stand for background) but Dromara appealed a County Board decision to the Ulster Council who ruled in favour of Dromara so Dromara obviously had merit in their position. Wonder is there any impact of this issue on other Down competitions including league positionings - only appears to be a problem when a team fails to field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 13, 2013, 09:40:15 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on September 12, 2013, 10:08:35 PM
I don't think you get what I mean thewobbler. I played both senior (as a sub) and reserve championship football but I was by no means a senior footballer. Next year Liatroim reserve players won't get any championship football as they won't make the senior team and as in their last group game this year the seniors played their seconds team they won't have enough men to field. I'm sure they won't be the only ones. You have to cater for all players and not just the best in the club.

I would have been gutted as a reserve player to have missed out on a years championship because my club couldn't field due to a flawed senior championship system the previous year.
This really though is an issue for Liatroim, and not for the County Board. The Reserve Championship eligibility rule is probably the clearest and cleanest one in the whole of the GAA rulebook. It's also the easiest one for anyone to investigate, as official teamsheets are submitted for every Senior Championship fixture.

When they made the decision to field a reserve team in Senior Championship, Liatroim made it clear that they've little interest in pursuing reserve honours, this year or next. By virtue of lining out, those reserve players willingly accepted this approach. As I say, that's one for the club to chew on, not the administrators. Liatroim made the decision not to cater for all players.



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Post by: Down Follower on September 13, 2013, 11:11:00 AM
This really though is an issue for Liatroim, and not for the County Board. The Reserve Championship eligibility rule is probably the clearest and cleanest one in the whole of the GAA rulebook. It's also the easiest one for anyone to investigate, as official teamsheets are submitted for every Senior Championship fixture.

When they made the decision to field a reserve team in Senior Championship, Liatroim made it clear that they've little interest in pursuing reserve honours, this year or next. By virtue of lining out, those reserve players willingly accepted this approach. As I say, that's one for the club to chew on, not the administrators. Liatroim made the decision not to cater for all players.
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Fully agree with that.  It was Liatroms choice to play those men.
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Post by: downup on September 13, 2013, 04:34:02 PM
I understand Liatroim's plight as it is the same conundrum a lot of clubs were faced with given this new championship format. I believe that the rule should be relaxed for players who play in the round robin series (excluding the top 13) as it gives young players and others championship experience without sacrificing them in reserve championship. The rules changed for championship in terms of format so there is no reason why they cant be altered for this. The county board use the round robin series to give young up and coming referees experience so why cant we give players the same opportunity without penalising them.
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Post by: qubdub on September 13, 2013, 10:07:24 PM
Quote from: DaddyLongLegs on September 13, 2013, 09:15:17 AM
Anyone else been following the JFC issue on Hogan Stand re Dromara/Drumaness/County Board? Not going to go into the details (see Hogan Stand for background) but Dromara appealed a County Board decision to the Ulster Council who ruled in favour of Dromara so Dromara obviously had merit in their position. Wonder is there any impact of this issue on other Down competitions including league positionings - only appears to be a problem when a team fails to field.
Had a quick read through it. Complicated enough position.

Dromara from what I can gather have done nothing wrong and were entitled to be in the semi final, only for the County Board to implement a play-off with Drumaness, subsequently called-off after the Ulster Council appeal.

There are suggestions on HS that Drumaness showed up for a game with Bright in the knowledge that Bright wouldn't be fielding due to a wedding. This resulted in a default victory which put them level on points with Dromara but with an inferior scoring difference.

The argument is, that Bright were willing to play the game on an alternative date, something which Drumaness refused, as was their right, and chose to take the default victory. Such a walkover however doesn't take into account scoring difference (the '5-0' score is meaningless and serves only for the online computer servasport score system). Some people are arguing that Drumaness should have played Bright and beat them by the required scoreline necessary rather than take the walk over which has led to this situation.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 13, 2013, 10:17:58 PM
1st shock of the championship tonight; saval 1-10 b'ford 0-10
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Post by: charlieTully on September 13, 2013, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 13, 2013, 10:17:58 PM
1st shock of the championship tonight; saval 1-10 b'ford 0-10
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Do you know who won the tullylish v clan na banna game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on September 13, 2013, 10:41:47 PM
Tullylish won handy enough
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Post by: Town Gael on September 15, 2013, 08:04:08 PM
Gutted we lost last night. Thought it was a good game with some quality football. I thought Burren were very lucky to be only a point behind at half time. Their goal came from a bad mistake and that gave them a huge lift. They were the better team in the second half, their tactic of crowding the midfield worked well as in she first half Finty was dominant there. Their no. 10 McGovern had a great game and I think was their main man, setting up several attacks and being very in control of the ball when going on his many solo runs. I thought Duffin's passing was incredible, but at the end of the day our defence were too loose and Burren's quality forwards stood up and were counted in the second half. I think 6 points flattered them a bit but in championship football you only need to be one point better to progress. I don't think anyone will touch them in Down this year, I think Castlewelan were their biggest threat and they got through that one.
On another point it was the Town's 4th championship game this year but the first one that felt like a championship game. I am not a fan of the league format, it is not do-or-die enough
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Post by: urbangael on September 15, 2013, 08:37:58 PM
Burren looking good to get back to the kingpins of down football however Kilcoo have yet to show their hand at knock out stage. Can't see them having too much trouble with the yellas tomorrow night. 

Intermediate championship looks wide open however. Tullylish Bosco and the johnnies all impressive in their 1/4s and drumgath v carry duff looks too close to call
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Post by: downjim on September 15, 2013, 11:51:49 PM
We looked good in the second half last  night but the town are only at best a 4th best team in the county. Kilcoo are the team that everyone wants to see at the minute . But Saval and the bridge are only playing for a final place. Our forward line would hammer it home against the so called oldest club in Down and I hope we draw them.
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Post by: stiff breeze on September 16, 2013, 10:01:03 PM
hiltown getting beat tonight by 18 points shows the new league system is a joke , they are one of the weaker teams promoted and we should go back to the competitive 10 team div one , on no wait..........
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Post by: umpire on September 16, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
Draws for Semi final
SFC
Saval v Burren
Kilcoo v Mayobridge

IFC
Bosco v Tullylish
Drumgath v  St Johns

JFC
St Pauls v Dromara
Teconnaught v Aghaderg
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Post by: downjim on September 17, 2013, 12:17:11 AM
Kilcoo were awesome tonight. They will beat the Bridge with something to spare while we should account for Saval. It should be a good final.
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Post by: Down Follower on September 17, 2013, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 17, 2013, 12:17:11 AM
Kilcoo were awesome tonight. They will beat the Bridge with something to spare while we should account for Saval. It should be a good final.

That was a serious win for Kilcoo over Clonduff.  The yellas are not the force they were a few years ago but did anyone expect such a hammering.  Are Kilcoo and Burren pulling away from the rest to the extent Crossmaglen are in Armagh?? If as expected they both reach the final, it should be one hell of a contest.
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Post by: T O Hare on September 17, 2013, 07:10:01 PM
After last night Kilcoo look to be the favourites and look slightly better than Burren although Burren will improve. If they meet it will be a clinker
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Post by: Oglach on September 17, 2013, 08:22:27 PM
mmm Old soft chat... Kilcoo have never had anything easy against Mayobridge and i would say there'll be two or three points either way. It'll be a  tight one.
I wouldn't write off Saval either, they've got a handful of players that could turn any game.


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Post by: Down Follower on September 20, 2013, 10:48:55 AM
Minor championship now down to the last 4. Warrenpoint, Rostrevor, Shamrocks and Mayobridge.  4 good teams left and some good teams now gone, Saval, Burren, Clonduff! It really was a high qaulity quarter final draw with possibly only Saul being somewhat behind the rest although still deservedly being there.  For me, Warrenpoint are the best side remaining with a healthy contingent of players remaining from last years winning side.  Does it lead towards a bright future for the Point?? This year was a pretty poor year for them considering their achievements last year.
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Post by: supersub on September 20, 2013, 11:39:56 AM
Or will the super reds pick up another minor title their first since 2007....
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Post by: DaisyCutter on September 20, 2013, 10:43:10 PM
Just back from Two entertaining games in Pairc Esler where Castlewellan and Kilcoo became the new Premier Reserve and Reserve Champions respectively.
A cameo appearance from Veteran Mickey Linden wasn't enough to help the Bridge see off a tenacious Kilcoo side who's star performer was Dominic McEvoy in the middle of the park by scoring 1-3 infront of a huge travelling Kilcoo support.
Kilcoo 2-9 Mayobridge 0-8.

It will be mixed emotions for one Shorty Trainor tonight as he managed Castlewellan 2nds to the Premier Reserve title by beating his own Burren club, with his son making an appearance from the bench in a tense affair.
Great early goals for the town set them off, as the determined Burren side missed a lot of chances throughout the game, with the town being more economical in front of goal.
There were good performances from Cathal Keown and young Dornan whilst Kevin McGivern tried hard for Burren.

On another note, I'd like to state how poor our tannoy speaker is in Paric Esler, as I didn't hear one word of the speeches from both Captains of the winning teams.
This seems to be an ongoing issue in Pairc Esler as last years seniors and intermediate speeches were the same.
It would have been nice to hear what the both captains had to say.
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Post by: DaisyCutter on September 20, 2013, 10:46:06 PM
Final Score in the Premier Reserve Game:
Castlewellan 2-10, Burren 1-12.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on September 21, 2013, 12:35:02 PM
Great win for Castlewellan in PRC Final last night against Burren. Was important to make sure we weren't beaten in two big games in the same week by the same club. Well done to all involved.

Think we will go well in Kilmacud 7's today too to round off a good weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 22, 2013, 11:51:39 AM
Another good win for Rostrevor yesterday in the league, again much needed to get clear of the relegation spots, however with liatroim also winning nothing is guaranteed. Two second half goals were the difference after conceding 3 slack ones ourselves in the first half to go in 3 down. 2-18 3-11 was the final score, an entertaining game all round. Leaves us wondering why we left it so late in the season to find some form.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 22, 2013, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 20, 2013, 11:39:56 AM
Or will the super reds pick up another minor title their first since 2007....
And then let them rot in your thirds
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on September 22, 2013, 11:47:37 PM
Great win for our reserves on Friday night against a much fancied Burren. Great effort from a very young team with only 4 lads over 22years of age. Hopefully we can build on this and push some of these young guys on with our seniors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 23, 2013, 09:34:43 AM
Quote from: downjim on September 22, 2013, 01:09:55 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 20, 2013, 11:39:56 AM
Or will the super reds pick up another minor title their first since 2007....
And then let them rot in your thirds

Good man, any examples of this?

I would be more than happy if they were playing for the thirds because the reality is most who aren't playing senior football have given up altogether.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 23, 2013, 02:02:52 PM
Good wins at the weekend for Liatrom and Rostrevor.  The playoff spot is now likely between Loughinisland and Rostrevor although Clonduff, Longstone, Downpatrick and Liatrom are all still possibilites following the winning runs of Liatrom and Rostrevor.

The last round of games will need calculators and maths graduates at the ready to work out who goes where and it is hard to say who is the favourites to take the play off spot.

Who is doing the business for Liatrom and Rostrevor as they have both gone on great runs, is Doyle playing well for Liatrom?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 24, 2013, 09:15:57 AM
It's going down to the last games for sure, but with Liatroim and Downpatrick playing each other, one of them is going to drop points so if Rostrevor were to beat Warrenpoint they would definitely finish above at least one of those two. Loughinisland play Burren which is a tough ask although home advantage is always a big plus for them down there. Will be interesting to see the outcomes.

As for the winning runs, speaking for ourselves it has been a real team/squad effort for the last four games, a long time since we won four in a row. All of the forwards have been chipping in with scores which is something that had been lacking earlier in the season. Against Downpatrick all 6 forwards scored, and 5 of 6 scored against Bryansford. Eamon McConville has been flying home from England for the games which adds a bit of strength and experience to the defensive side, with young Chrissy Magee back from America as well for the last two games. Young Conor Doyle, a Down Minor this year has come in and been in great form over the last few games as well, he scored 0-6 on Saturday and a few against Downpatrick as well. Brian Cole has come back from injury over the last couple of months and has scored vital goals in all three league games (C'wellen, D'ptrick, Ford). The squad have stuck by each other despite having a terrible run over the summer where we didn't win a game from May, a ten game plus period which was very hard on the lads as except for two games they weren't outclassed, just couldn't see out the games unfortunately.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on September 24, 2013, 01:19:39 PM
Does anyone know the reason why Destination Newry has not been showing any coverage
of the Down Championship games this year?

I see that the Armagh County Board have been streaming quite a few games of their Championship games over the past couple of weeks at a very generous service of £1 per game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 25, 2013, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on September 24, 2013, 01:19:39 PM
Does anyone know the reason why Destination Newry has not been showing any coverage
of the Down Championship games this year?

I see that the Armagh County Board have been streaming quite a few games of their Championship games over the past couple of weeks at a very generous service of £1 per game.

Was wondering that myself.  Their website is very awkward to navigate now and certainly i couldnt find any recent coverage of games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 27, 2013, 10:08:26 AM
 the SFC and IFC semi final's games tonight  is put back to Monday night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on September 27, 2013, 11:19:32 AM
I see that the new Tyrone GAA Centre Of Excellence (At Garvaghy) is near completion, as it made the sports bulletin of the BBCNI news yesterday evening.
Fair play to them and the best of luck with it, as it looks like an unreal facility that will be used by all codes, age levels and genders of Tyrone GAA.
As a Down Supporter though, I can only envy of the facilities they now have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 27, 2013, 05:22:47 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on September 27, 2013, 11:19:32 AM
I see that the new Tyrone GAA Centre Of Excellence (At Garvaghy) is near completion, as it made the sports bulletin of the BBCNI news yesterday evening.
Fair play to them and the best of luck with it, as it looks like an unreal facility that will be used by all codes, age levels and genders of Tyrone GAA.
As a Down Supporter though, I can only envy of the facilities they now have.

St colmans have excellant facilities yet Down opt for the Abbey(which i cant vouch for and not sure if it is as good as violet Hill).
I also have some doubts about these centres of excellance, you can take a lot of natural ability away from young lads of 15,16,17 years of age if like Tyrone you are training them to play a particular system ala their minors this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on September 27, 2013, 11:59:24 PM
The Abbie's facilities are first class.

Although they would not have the physio rooms, ice baths/pools, all weather pitches, analysis halls, recovery suites and changing facilities that Garvaghy have.
Great vision by the O'Neill County to pull it off along with the great facilities at the mid ulster arena in Cookstown that they also have at their disposal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 28, 2013, 02:37:25 PM
Not nice reading in the Irish news today. Pete McGrath deserves better. Is this the "Down" way???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffleKing on September 28, 2013, 08:23:45 PM
Whats the story with Pete?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on September 28, 2013, 09:07:15 PM
Didn't get Irish News today folks, can anyone enlighten us as to the Pete story???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on September 29, 2013, 09:52:55 AM
if recent events and leadership are anything to go by then we get what we deserve-TIME FOR CHANGE!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 29, 2013, 03:56:55 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 27, 2013, 10:08:26 AM
the SFC and IFC semi final's games tonight  is put back to Monday night

what time are the games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Buffer on September 29, 2013, 10:07:02 PM
What a performance tonight by burren,that's the reason they are tagged the best team in down. I'm not sure if either mayobridge or kilcoo will be fit to handle them,what a machine they were
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 29, 2013, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: Buffer on September 29, 2013, 10:07:02 PM
What a performance tonight by burren,that's the reason they are tagged the best team in down. I'm not sure if either mayobridge or kilcoo will be fit to handle them,what a machine they were

I left at half time, what was the result?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 29, 2013, 10:14:05 PM
burren 7-16 saval 0-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 29, 2013, 10:20:27 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 29, 2013, 10:14:05 PM
burren 7-16 saval 0-9

sweet Jesus.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 29, 2013, 10:26:28 PM
Betcha Glenn and Tullylish are looking forward to next year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 29, 2013, 10:28:11 PM
have to say I found it very strange that a melee where quite a few full on punches were fired out resulted in no straight reds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 30, 2013, 09:10:04 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 29, 2013, 10:20:27 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 29, 2013, 10:14:05 PM
burren 7-16 saval 0-9

sweet Jesus.

Only Ulster will tell how good a team they are, but that is some result If they win Down that is. Interesting if they come up against Crossmaglen or St Galls ( If they won Antrim at W/E)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 30, 2013, 09:23:29 AM
They did, by a point. Burren are some outfit but still won't get past Cross.

Can't see how Burren are 28 points better than another team at this stage of the competition though, how do you concede 7 goals in a semi final, surely they weren't that good?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 30, 2013, 09:58:27 AM
Quote from: supersub on September 30, 2013, 09:23:29 AM
They did, by a point. Burren are some outfit but still won't get past Cross.

Can't see how Burren are 28 points better than another team at this stage of the competition though, how do you concede 7 goals in a semi final, surely they weren't that good?

I think they're right up there as they've currently got a better forward line than many county teams, and Cross wouldn't be able to go 6 v 6 against their forwards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 30, 2013, 11:32:17 AM
Are Destination Newry showing the Semi's. Will Kilcoo Mayobridge be on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 30, 2013, 11:43:58 AM
I had heard that Destination Newry weren't allowed to show anymore games didn't hear the full story just over heard it at a game. Burren were awesome last night bur Saval were really poor. A win like that isn't great preparation for a final. If kilcoo get over the Bridge they wont give their forwards that much space be interesting to see how they would deal with that intensity
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 30, 2013, 01:39:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 30, 2013, 09:58:27 AM
Quote from: supersub on September 30, 2013, 09:23:29 AM
They did, by a point. Burren are some outfit but still won't get past Cross.

Can't see how Burren are 28 points better than another team at this stage of the competition though, how do you concede 7 goals in a semi final, surely they weren't that good?

I think they're right up there as they've currently got a better forward line than many county teams, and Cross wouldn't be able to go 6 v 6 against their forwards.

They are only as good as the ball supplied however and Cross would be more than capable of limiting it - not stopping it though obviously. Also Burren's defence has hardly been tested, apart from v Bryansford when they were beaten.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 30, 2013, 02:00:50 PM
What a win though for Burren in the semi finals?  Absolutely awesome.  I mentioned it previously and i think it may be true that Burren/Kilcoo are pulling away from the rest at an alarming rate.  I expect Kilcoo to beat Mayobridge tonight with something to spare although i truly hope it is a close game.  Maybe Benny, Pluggy, Noel Sexton et all have another kick in them and to be fair to them they have done it before so perhaps i am discounting them too quickly but i just think....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Mad on September 30, 2013, 03:57:36 PM
Would like to wish Tullylish well in their game tonight after the loss of their President Pat McFlynn. I am sure it has been a tough time for the club over their club over the last week. Here is too a good sporting game that Pat McFlynn would be proud of.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 30, 2013, 06:15:27 PM
seen somewhere that the down champions play the Armagh champions in the 1st rd of ulster championship in newry. no matter who comes through it should be some match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on September 30, 2013, 11:19:20 PM
Can anyone tell me when the finals Senior Inter Junior and Minor are couldn't make it out on pa in  Newry tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on September 30, 2013, 11:35:55 PM
Nice to back in the county final again, It was hard fought.
Kicoo lost out at midfield in 1st half tonight but played enough football to book our place.
Is it just me or did anyone else think that Brendan Rice spent his time trying to get Mayobridge back into the game?
He spoiled what should have been a great game, over fussy use of yellow cards slowed the game to a crawl.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 01, 2013, 12:12:57 AM
I don't want to start on that referee. And apparently he was being assessed. Whoo. Very tough game, conditions and a card happy referee didn't allow it to flow. Bridge missing a few key men and them lads really need to look at themselves in my opinion as to why they aren't there.
Kilcoo done what they had to do and got the win which was what it was all about.
Burren big favourites but write the magpies of at your peril.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 01, 2013, 09:59:28 AM
Huge effort from the Bridge last night, couldn't fault the lads they put everything into it.  I think last nights game will serve Kilcoo far better going into the final than Burren's walkover again Saval.  The two best teams are in the final and its a hard one to call.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 01, 2013, 10:27:42 AM
As a neutral I thought Rice was fair to both teams. You should blame your players as I felt the bridge were very unlucky and missed a lot of scores. I would like to see the wide count for both teams. It  should be a good final but if we knock the magpies about like last night we won't miss the chances the Bridge did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on October 01, 2013, 10:39:12 AM
The final should be good to watch. There will be a huge number of county standard forwards on display - O'Hare, Laverty, McCardle, McCartan, O'Hanlon, Johnston, Johnston, Devlin are all county standard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 01, 2013, 04:10:18 PM
Thought referee was fine, had no choice with the yellow cards. Agree that Kilcoo would have benefited more than Burren from the matches. Burren slight favorites perhaps
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 01, 2013, 04:13:07 PM
With Tullylish beaten last night, this mean the 3rd from bottom of Div 1 will most likely to play in Intermediate Championship next year. Lots of crucial games in Div 1 games this week for Clonduff, Liatriom, Downpatrick, Loughinisland and Rostrevor
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Post by: Line Ball on October 01, 2013, 10:27:19 PM
What is Rice's agenda?  If he would just referee the games, make the calls, blow the whistle rather than trying to the big 'I AM' in the middle of the field.  The referee should be anonymous during a game rather than him having to be the centre of attention.  I just think he is a very average referee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on October 02, 2013, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 29, 2013, 10:26:28 PM
Betcha Glenn and Tullylish are looking forward to next year!

Yeah, because the teams there already are so evenly matched, we won't stand a chance!

•   Round 2
MAYOBRIDGE 0-12 V 3-14 BURREN

•   Round 8
MAYOBRIDGE 3-12 V 1-3 ROSTREVOR

BURREN 5-17 V 0-13 ANNACLONE

•   Round 11
KILCOO 5-14 V 1-3 LIATROIM

•   Round 14
CASTLEWELLAN 5-20 V 0-8 CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 02, 2013, 10:44:47 AM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on October 02, 2013, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 29, 2013, 10:26:28 PM
Betcha Glenn and Tullylish are looking forward to next year!

Yeah, because the teams there already are so evenly matched, we won't stand a chance!

•   Round 2
MAYOBRIDGE 0-12 V 3-14 BURREN

•   Round 8
MAYOBRIDGE 3-12 V 1-3 ROSTREVOR

BURREN 5-17 V 0-13 ANNACLONE

•   Round 11
KILCOO 5-14 V 1-3 LIATROIM

•   Round 14
CASTLEWELLAN 5-20 V 0-8 CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA

That's the problem they aren't evenly matched the league structure as it stands is not right the leagues were more competitive with 4 divisions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 02, 2013, 10:45:24 AM
That's exactly his point. Teams already there getting hammered so teams coming up likely to struggle as well.

As for the third bottom team, they will definitely be playing in the intermediate championship now no matter what happens.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 02, 2013, 11:17:57 AM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on October 02, 2013, 10:02:20 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 29, 2013, 10:26:28 PM
Betcha Glenn and Tullylish are looking forward to next year!

Yeah, because the teams there already are so evenly matched, we won't stand a chance!

•   Round 2
MAYOBRIDGE 0-12 V 3-14 BURREN

•   Round 8
MAYOBRIDGE 3-12 V 1-3 ROSTREVOR

BURREN 5-17 V 0-13 ANNACLONE

•   Round 11
KILCOO 5-14 V 1-3 LIATROIM

•   Round 14
CASTLEWELLAN 5-20 V 0-8 CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA

On the other hand

•   Round 13
ROSTREVOR 1-08 V 0-09 CASTLEWELLAN

•   Round 12
LIATROIM 1-13 V 0-13 MAYOBRIDGE

•   Round 6
BRYANSFORD 0-12 V 3-11 ANNACLONE

•   Round 1
CPN 1-16 V 1-09 CLONDUFF

Games in Div 1 can go anyway and even Burren although in great form now had some tough games all year including drawing with Saval in the league in round 10!!! There will always be the odd mismatch in any league but   as i have stated before, Division 1 was in general quite competitive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 02, 2013, 12:41:50 PM
Rostrevor beat Bryansford too last week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 02, 2013, 02:33:11 PM
Lets be honest, there comes a point in the season where a handful of teams are guaranteed safety from the drop and have no chance of winning the league, and then subsequently whimper out of the championship. Those teams have been doin frick all this last month or so and have been fulfilling fixtures with little or no interest. Results at this end of the year can be by and large irrelevant, apart for those that have to scrap for survival or else compete for honours. Id be taking certain results with a pinch of salt. One game mentioned was Bryansford and Rostrevor. Rostrevor are fighting for their lives for survival whereas since Bryansford were dumped out of the championship they couldn't care less, id be surprised if they are training even. So as good as Rostrevors result is against them recently its no shock nor surprise.

I wouldn't take much notice of some of the hammerings handed out this year at all to be honest. The time of year and certain other circumstances can contribute to these results. By and large the league was competitive enough id thought.

Burren are on a whole other level to any other club in Down. They are unrivalled in terms of resources available to them. The only way they wont beat Kilcoo is through their own fault imo.
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Post by: umpire on October 02, 2013, 03:05:32 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 02, 2013, 10:45:24 AM
That's exactly his point. Teams already there getting hammered so teams coming up likely to struggle as well.

As for the third bottom team, they will definitely be playing in the intermediate championship now no matter what happens.

There is still a slight chance that 3rd bottom of Div one still play in Senior Championship.

Drumgath/Bosco may refused to play in SFC and stay in IFC. that is their option.

Tense times for team finish 3rd bottom place in Div one !!!

Saturday games is crucial for lots of teams.
Warrenpoint are relegated and they hope to play Rostrevor in IFC next year!!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 02, 2013, 03:40:29 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 02, 2013, 02:33:11 PM
Lets be honest, there comes a point in the season where a handful of teams are guaranteed safety from the drop and have no chance of winning the league, and then subsequently whimper out of the championship. Those teams have been doin frick all this last month or so and have been fulfilling fixtures with little or no interest. Results at this end of the year can be by and large irrelevant, apart for those that have to scrap for survival or else compete for honours. Id be taking certain results with a pinch of salt. One game mentioned was Bryansford and Rostrevor. Rostrevor are fighting for their lives for survival whereas since Bryansford were dumped out of the championship they couldn't care less, id be surprised if they are training even. So as good as Rostrevors result is against them recently its no shock nor surprise.

I wouldn't take much notice of some of the hammerings handed out this year at all to be honest. The time of year and certain other circumstances can contribute to these results. By and large the league was competitive enough id thought.

Burren are on a whole other level to any other club in Down. They are unrivalled in terms of resources available to them. The only way they wont beat Kilcoo is through their own fault imo.

Agreed on all accounts Brick.  Games this time of year take on a life of their own and can bear no resemblance to what went on before due to varying circumstances.  In the main though the league wasnt too bad.

Burren could potentially dominate for many years!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 02, 2013, 06:09:47 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 02, 2013, 02:33:11 PM
Lets be honest, there comes a point in the season where a handful of teams are guaranteed safety from the drop and have no chance of winning the league, and then subsequently whimper out of the championship. Those teams have been doin frick all this last month or so and have been fulfilling fixtures with little or no interest. Results at this end of the year can be by and large irrelevant, apart for those that have to scrap for survival or else compete for honours. Id be taking certain results with a pinch of salt. One game mentioned was Bryansford and Rostrevor. Rostrevor are fighting for their lives for survival whereas since Bryansford were dumped out of the championship they couldn't care less, id be surprised if they are training even. So as good as Rostrevors result is against them recently its no shock nor surprise.

I wouldn't take much notice of some of the hammerings handed out this year at all to be honest. The time of year and certain other circumstances can contribute to these results. By and large the league was competitive enough id thought.

Burren are on a whole other level to any other club in Down. They are unrivalled in terms of resources available to them. The only way they wont beat Kilcoo is through their own fault imo.

True to an extent but by other peoples view bryansford should smash rostrevor even if they are out of championship etc because of this gulf in class. Also they were out of the championship 5 days before they played us, hardly time enough to undo all their training. Brynsford gave as good as they got in the game with a full team minus king. In addition to this we beat castlewellen who are going for the league and they were still in the championship at that stage. It shows anyone cant beat anyone on a given day. Wouldnt put it all down to the better teams not caring. Yes to an extent this is true but it isnt the whole picture and certainly not in our case. You would know all about it if you knew what went on in the week leading up to the bryansford match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on October 03, 2013, 01:59:04 PM
Clonduff 1-10 Castlewellan 1-10 last night. Draw keeps Clonduff out of the drop zone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 03, 2013, 05:13:01 PM
Quote from: downup on October 03, 2013, 01:59:04 PM
Clonduff 1-10 Castlewellan 1-10 last night. Draw keeps Clonduff out of the drop zone.

Clonduffs last two games in the league - Beat Burren by a point and draw with Castlewellan.  What odds would you have got on those to keep the Yella's out of the drop zone???  It was good for them to show a bit of character after their annihilation by Kilcoo on the Championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 03, 2013, 05:19:28 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 02, 2013, 03:05:32 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 02, 2013, 10:45:24 AM
That's exactly his point. Teams already there getting hammered so teams coming up likely to struggle as well.

As for the third bottom team, they will definitely be playing in the intermediate championship now no matter what happens.

There is still a slight chance that 3rd bottom of Div one still play in Senior Championship.

Drumgath/Bosco may refused to play in SFC and stay in IFC. that is their option.

Tense times for team finish 3rd bottom place in Div one !!!

Saturday games is crucial for lots of teams.
Warrenpoint are relegated and they hope to play Rostrevor in IFC next year!!!

Umpire, I don't think teams can refuse to participate in a certain championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 03, 2013, 06:51:21 PM
So you are telling me it's at another clubs discretion whether a fellow club plays in the senior championship? That cannot be right how is that allowed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 03, 2013, 07:18:31 PM
I know that in Armagh, clubs could choose what grade of championship they played in. I was talking to a lad who played for Killeavy and he told me they were intermediate that year because it was their 100 or 125 year anniversary and wanted a trophy for the dinner dance that year, and knew that Cross would hammer then at senior level.

I couldnt believe my ears, though I dont think you can do the same in Down, I would hope not  anyway. By the way, I dont think Killeavy won the IFC that year anyway.

If other counties have a similar system, it could explain Downs poor record at Ifc and Jfc Ulster championship competitions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 03, 2013, 08:02:17 PM
easy draw for down for next years ulster championship. tyrone away in the preliminary round, the winners play monaghan. then cavan or Armagh in the semis.easy  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: here comes 6 on October 03, 2013, 09:37:25 PM
Is there still a possibility that the fourth bottom team in division 1 this year could be playing in the intermediate championship next year. If third team in division 2 beat the third bottom team in division 1 and add also the intermediate champions this year that would leave 4teams from this years division 2 in senior championship next year. Would there be a group of 5 or what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 04, 2013, 10:45:44 AM
Quote from: here comes 6 on October 03, 2013, 09:37:25 PM
Is there still a possibility that the fourth bottom team in division 1 this year could be playing in the intermediate championship next year. If third team in division 2 beat the third bottom team in division 1 and add also the intermediate champions this year that would leave 4teams from this years division 2 in senior championship next year. Would there be a group of 5 or what?

Now there is a possibility that no one has mentioned before.  However, looking at it you may well be right!!!  Lets say St Johns (currently 3rd in Div 2) beat Rostrevor (who are currently 3rd bottom in Div 1) in play off - then St Johns go into Div 1 and play in Senior Championship.

The IFC champ final is between Drumgath and Bosco.  Whoever wins that moves up to senior championship also so who drops down.  The two choices are A) St Johns who have just been promoted, or B) the 4th bottom team in Div 1.

However, now that i think about it, i am almost certain that the IFC winners replace the winners of the relegation/promotion playoff which would mean the 4th bottom team are safe.  I am not 100% on this but maybe 80% sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2013, 03:49:15 PM
I posted on the main board after yesterday's draw to suggest Down had been given away games in the preliminary round/quarter final of the USC for nine consecutive seasons. Having checked, it is actually ten consecutive seasons - 2005 to 2014. The odds against that are apparently 1024 to one, so we must be certainties for the Anglo Celt next summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 04, 2013, 03:50:56 PM
Championship Proposals

The 16 teams in Division One in 2013 would then constitute the teams competing in the Senior Football Championship, in the case of the winners of the Intermediate Championship of 2012 not been one of those teams then they would take the place of the 6th Team promoted from Division 2 in 2012.

In the case of future years if the Intermediate Winners were not one of the teams promoted to Division One then they would by virtue of winning the Intermediate Championship replace the team in the Senior Championship who won the right to either stay in Division One or were promoted from Division two by way of the third place play off.

In summation the Intermediate Championship winners will always be guaranteed the opportunity to play in the following years Senior Football Championship.

This same principle will apply in the case of the winners of the Junior Championship who will always be guaranteed the right to play in the Intermediate Championship

The league position of a Club would determine its Championship status for the year ahead.

The Intermediate Championship of 2013 would then consist of all of the teams in Division Two also taking into account the position of the Junior Championship winners.

The Junior Championship of 2013 would consist of all of those teams in Division Three.

The three Championships would then be structured on a 31 game principle.

The Senior Championship for 2013 would be based on the format as currently used in the Minor Football Championship. There would be Four Pots designated as follows:

Pot One: Teams 1-4 in league placing

Pot Two: Teams 5-8 in league placing

Pot Three Teams 9-12 in league placing

Pot Four Teams 13-16 in league placing or intermediate Championship winners

A draw would take place with the 4 groups been made up of one team from each Pot.

At Quarter Final Stage then the top two teams from each group would meet with the winners of the group in one pot and the runners up in Pot Two, this would then be an open draw.
In the event of there been a tie between two teams in the group stages, final placing will be decided in accordance with Rule 6.22 of the Official Guide.

This same principle would operate for the Intermediate Championship.

All games would be played at neutral venues.

In relation to the Junior Football Championship there would be Three Groups of Four Teams, the top team in each group would reach the semi finals and be joined by the best placed loser.

This would be decided in accordance with the criteria used by Ulster Council in relation to deciding semi finalists for the Dr McKenna Cup.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on October 04, 2013, 05:14:28 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2013, 03:49:15 PM
I posted on the main board after yesterday's draw to suggest Down had been given away games in the preliminary round/quarter final of the USC for nine consecutive seasons. Having checked, it is actually ten consecutive seasons - 2005 to 2014. The odds against that are apparently 1024 to one, so we must be certainties for the Anglo Celt next summer.
Monaghan 2008 Newry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 04, 2013, 05:51:27 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2013, 03:49:15 PM
I posted on the main board after yesterday's draw to suggest Down had been given away games in the preliminary round/quarter final of the USC for nine consecutive seasons. Having checked, it is actually ten consecutive seasons - 2005 to 2014. The odds against that are apparently 1024 to one, so we must be certainties for the Anglo Celt next summer.
who did we play at home in 1st round in 2004? memory is bad! I was led to believe we havent had a home draw since antrim 1999. I know we played replays at home against tyrone and cavan but we were originally drew away. cant remember another one, though there probably is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2013, 06:38:36 PM
Extra Time, we did play Monaghan in the first round at Newry, in 2007 not 2008, but that was only after we were drawn away to Cavan in the preliminary round (we won after a replay at the Marshes).

In response to Sheedy, we were drawn at home to Cavan in the first round of 2004 but it was played at Casement Park ( we lost after a replay at Breffni). We have not actually staged our first game of the USC in Newry since Antrim in 1999.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: S.Poacher2012 on October 04, 2013, 10:06:41 PM
I heard there's a few coaches who hide out on here, this might interest them... cheers...  ;)

Innovative Coaching Clinic not to be missed!   

All GAA coaches and managers are always looking to gain that extra edge on their opponents, searching for that latest training craze or fad, touring the country to seminars, conferences and courses in pursuit of an increase to their coaching knowledge. 

On Saturday November 9th 2013, Steven Poacher, Head of PE in St Columbans Kilkeel will give you that opportunity with the "St Columbans GAA Coaching Clinic." The focus of the clinic will look at tackling and the implications of the black card when coaching the tackle. 

On the day coaches will have the opportunity to observe a practical outdoor session labelled "Tackling for Success" which will include 10 different exclusive tackling drills and games demonstrated by a panel of players. After the practical session coaches will then have an opportunity to avail of the expert opinion of last years Down and Armagh senior football team captains, Mark Poland & Ciaran Mc Keever respectively who will give a unique insight into the implications of the black card which is sure to cause a lot of controversy in its implementation. 

The previous coaching clinics hosted by the school were a huge success and indeed when held this time last year over 80 coaches from every county in the province attended a hugely successful day at the school in Kilkeel. 

The event is open to all coaches of any age level be it school, club or county or any code as the games and drills on show will be easily transferrable to both Camogie and Hurling. The day commences at 10am and will finish at approximately 12.30pm on the Saturday morning 9th November and the cost of the day is £10 which can be made payable on the day and includes, tea/coffee and an information booklet. It's certainly an information packed morning not to be missed and proceeds from the day will go towards the development of GAA within the school. For more information or to confirm a place please either text or mail Steven Poacher on 07779780919 or stevepoacher@hotmail.com. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on October 04, 2013, 10:44:20 PM
McGrath gets the Road from The County Minors after last night CB Meeting.
He is also due for the road out of Bryansford after numerous years of trying for Senior Honours with no success.
I often wonder where he went wrong, as the Ford have some of the best talent in the County...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 04, 2013, 10:59:51 PM
Without a home game in 14 years? Ulster Council need to re-assess the money spent on grounds like Park Esler.
Wee Pete? He did the county great service - significant - zzbut all things must pass and I'd like to see him move away with some dignity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 04, 2013, 11:17:35 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on October 04, 2013, 10:44:20 PM
McGrath gets the Road from The County Minors after last night CB Meeting.
He is also due for the road out of Bryansford after numerous years of trying for Senior Honours with no success.
I often wonder where he went wrong, as the Ford have some of the best talent in the County...

With the right man in charge the Ford are well capable of breaking the Burren-Kilcoo duopoly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 05, 2013, 03:54:32 AM
It's easy to point the blame at wee Pete for Byransford not winning a championship. They look good on paper but they seem to lack the passion and guts of other teams. They are quick to blame others but the players should look hard at themselves . They would be 5th best in the county at my reckoning
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 05, 2013, 10:55:10 AM
Our, Bredagh's, u14s going for a hurling and football double today, hurling championship already in the bag, but a massive game against a talented Burren team awaits today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 05, 2013, 02:11:25 PM
Who would be in the frame for the minor job?? I hear Poacher is interested and that Benny would hang the boots up if offered it. McCorry would be a great man for the job with a young coach to do the training. Is there anyone is east Down interested???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Faceinthecrowd on October 05, 2013, 05:30:17 PM
Great game of football in the U14 championship final at Castlewellan today. Final score Burren 3-10 Bredagh 3-08. Nothing between the teams and could have gone either way. Well done to all the players for providing entertaining football and for all their hard work on the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 05, 2013, 07:55:11 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on October 04, 2013, 10:44:20 PM
McGrath gets the Road from The County Minors after last night CB Meeting.
He is also due for the road out of Bryansford after numerous years of trying for Senior Honours with no success.
I often wonder where he went wrong, as the Ford have some of the best talent in the County...

Not before time.  He had an amazing team three years ago never mind the last two teams and did nothing with them.  We would have won an All Ireland U.21 title if he had made changes. He is in charge of the Down Development squads which is also a joke.  Bryansford should be contenders but have blown it consistently during his time with them.  His man management skills are pathetic and many of the players in his squads detest him.  Some will say he won us this or won us that, he stayed on as Down manager so long that he set us back ten years.  His arrogance cost us for years. Stevie Wonder could have won us the two All Irelands he managed us to.  It was the exceptional players we had at the time who won it for us, far from the manager. Pete Mc Grath is no big loss to Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 05, 2013, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 05, 2013, 07:55:11 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on October 04, 2013, 10:44:20 PM
McGrath gets the Road from The County Minors after last night CB Meeting.
He is also due for the road out of Bryansford after numerous years of trying for Senior Honours with no success.
I often wonder where he went wrong, as the Ford have some of the best talent in the County...

Not before time.  He had an amazing team three years ago never mind the last two teams and did nothing with them.  We would have won an All Ireland U.21 title if he had made changes. He is in charge of the Down Development squads which is also a joke.  Bryansford should be contenders but have blown it consistently during his time with them.  His man management skills are pathetic and many of the players in his squads detest him.  Some will say he won us this or won us that, he stayed on as Down manager so long that he set us back ten years.  His arrogance cost us for years. Stevie Wonder could have won us the two All Irelands he managed us to.  It was the exceptional players we had at the time who won it for us, far from the manager. Pete Mc Grath is no big loss to Down football.

Jasus that's a bit harsh man. Two All Irelands as a manager, he owes us nothing. I don't know the man personally but he will always have my respect, that All Ireland in 91 was one of the best days of my life.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 05, 2013, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 05, 2013, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 05, 2013, 07:55:11 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on October 04, 2013, 10:44:20 PM
McGrath gets the Road from The County Minors after last night CB Meeting.
He is also due for the road out of Bryansford after numerous years of trying for Senior Honours with no success.
I often wonder where he went wrong, as the Ford have some of the best talent in the County...

Not before time.  He had an amazing team three years ago never mind the last two teams and did nothing with them.  We would have won an All Ireland U.21 title if he had made changes. He is in charge of the Down Development squads which is also a joke.  Bryansford should be contenders but have blown it consistently during his time with them.  His man management skills are pathetic and many of the players in his squads detest him.  Some will say he won us this or won us that, he stayed on as Down manager so long that he set us back ten years.  His arrogance cost us for years. Stevie Wonder could have won us the two All Irelands he managed us to.  It was the exceptional players we had at the time who won it for us, far from the manager. Pete Mc Grath is no big loss to Down football.

Jasus that's a bit harsh man. Two All Irelands as a manager, he owes us nothing. I don't know the man personally but he will always have my respect, that All Ireland in 91 was one of the best days of my life.

Scratch the surface and its very interesting what appears.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 05, 2013, 09:09:36 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 05, 2013, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 05, 2013, 07:55:11 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on October 04, 2013, 10:44:20 PM
McGrath gets the Road from The County Minors after last night CB Meeting.
He is also due for the road out of Bryansford after numerous years of trying for Senior Honours with no success.
I often wonder where he went wrong, as the Ford have some of the best talent in the County...

Not before time.  He had an amazing team three years ago never mind the last two teams and did nothing with them.  We would have won an All Ireland U.21 title if he had made changes. He is in charge of the Down Development squads which is also a joke.  Bryansford should be contenders but have blown it consistently during his time with them.  His man management skills are pathetic and many of the players in his squads detest him.  Some will say he won us this or won us that, he stayed on as Down manager so long that he set us back ten years.  His arrogance cost us for years. Stevie Wonder could have won us the two All Irelands he managed us to.  It was the exceptional players we had at the time who won it for us, far from the manager. Pete Mc Grath is no big loss to Down football.

Jasus that's a bit harsh man. Two All Irelands as a manager, he owes us nothing. I don't know the man personally but he will always have my respect, that All Ireland in 91 was one of the best days of my life.
I agree with line ball. 91 and 94 were 2 of the best days of my life and we'll always remember those days but time moves on and change was badly needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 05, 2013, 09:41:19 PM
If people want to say that Pete McGrath did not get the best out of Down minors over the last three years, or could have achieved more with Bryansford, that's fine. The idea that he was never much of a coach in the first place is ludicrous.

We do not win many provincial titles in Down, and, at all three levels since the mid-1980s, we have managed a grand total of eight. Of those, six were lifted by McGrath's teams - two minor (86 and 87) two u21 (08 and 09) and two senior (91 and 94).

He was responsible for three All Ireland titles, and, only for a Cork goal with the last kick of the u21 final at Portlaoise in 09, he would have added a fourth.

All that is not taking into account his role with St Colman's, so he is either a person who has been exceptionally lucky year after year or he is one of the greatest figures in our history.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 05, 2013, 10:33:25 PM
I do believe that he was a decent coach but a very poor manager.  From talking to lads he was never a manager/coach who got close to his players and who could communicate to players to get the best out of them.  His methods don't seem to have changed since he 'won' his All Irelands and he hasn't moved with the times.  I do believe he got lucky with the players he had to some degree and I am not even going to start naming the players he had at his disposal. He may have been successful as you identify and the fact that he never cost the County Board 1p in expenses over his tenure for any job made him a prime candidate for any County position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on October 05, 2013, 10:54:07 PM
Pete stayed too long in the senior job playing men past their best,  a legacy we have never really recovered from
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 06, 2013, 01:08:27 AM
Carryduff only need a draw at home against Shamrocks to be involved in a play off with Liatriom for a place in Div 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on October 06, 2013, 12:02:57 PM
Great day for Glenn yesterday with the U16s winning the B Final against Castlewellan and the Seniors winning the Div 2 title afterwards in Dundrum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 06, 2013, 02:05:05 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 05, 2013, 07:55:11 PM
Quote from: DaisyCutter on October 04, 2013, 10:44:20 PM
McGrath gets the Road from The County Minors after last night CB Meeting.
He is also due for the road out of Bryansford after numerous years of trying for Senior Honours with no success.
I often wonder where he went wrong, as the Ford have some of the best talent in the County...

Not before time.  He had an amazing team three years ago never mind the last two teams and did nothing with them.  We would have won an All Ireland U.21 title if he had made changes. He is in charge of the Down Development squads which is also a joke.  Bryansford should be contenders but have blown it consistently during his time with them.  His man management skills are pathetic and many of the players in his squads detest him.  Some will say he won us this or won us that, he stayed on as Down manager so long that he set us back ten years.  His arrogance cost us for years. Stevie Wonder could have won us the two All Irelands he managed us to.  It was the exceptional players we had at the time who won it for us, far from the manager. Pete Mc Grath is no big loss to Down football.

This is a disgraceful slur; apart from his achievements with Down, Peter McGrath was also reckoned worthy of managing the international team, where he had further success. Lucky? As Napoleon said, "Give me a lucky general". I detect some jealousy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 06, 2013, 03:30:53 PM
Have to agree this is getting very personal against one of Downs greatest if not the greatest managers of all time..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Confused on October 06, 2013, 05:19:51 PM
The small dealings I have had with wee pete were not positive. Very much his way or no way. But is that a good trait as a manager? Is that why he was successful? Either way he has left a legacy, good and bad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on October 06, 2013, 05:34:58 PM
i agree because some of petes actions even the early days were questioable as an example a friend of mine told me that he was sent a goalkeeper to a trial and played him middle of the field and spent a second trial at warrenpoiint looking away from thje actual game-hardly encouraging even then 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Confused on October 06, 2013, 07:06:53 PM
It would be great to see cathal Murray get a chance with the minors
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 06, 2013, 10:11:13 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on October 06, 2013, 03:30:53 PM
Have to agree this is getting very personal against one of Downs greatest if not the greatest managers of all time..

Pete McGrath is the  greatest Down manager in my time supporting Down from 1960 till now.
As Down CB thanks him for his time and effort, they have to move on with a new manager and we all hope he can be as half as good as Pete!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on October 06, 2013, 11:07:56 PM
Washed_Up, unfortunately this is true.
If its the same person that you are talking about, he made the keeper trial again although he was on previous years panel, but didn't have enough outfield players for the trial game and played the keeper outfield.
After the trials had ended, the keeper was not even selected for the panel, which was a disgusting insult to him by Pete.
Although the player has went on to have a great career since.
But it was one of numerous stories I've heard about the treatment of some of his players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on October 07, 2013, 10:06:30 AM
Heard a rumour that the league final may not be played for another 6 weeks- this is a complete joke. There is no reason Kilcoo and Burren can't play their semi-final this Wednesday and play the final this Sunday. Clubs play midweek matches and weekend matches at the start of the season and can do it now. Making Castlewellan wait several weeks for a game is ridiculous.  The championship final in a couple of weeks is no reason to delay the league final- I can guarantee that the training both Burren and Kilcoo are doing at the minute will be as intense and any match with lads busting themselves to get a place on the team. The county board need to sort things out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 07, 2013, 11:04:19 AM
Quote from: umpire on October 06, 2013, 10:11:13 PM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on October 06, 2013, 03:30:53 PM
Have to agree this is getting very personal against one of Downs greatest if not the greatest managers of all time..

Pete McGrath is the  greatest Down manager in my time supporting Down from 1960 till now.
As Down CB thanks him for his time and effort, they have to move on with a new manager and we all hope he can be as half as good as Pete!!

Petes record speaks for itself - no question.  I think the only issue was that he stayed loyal to our great players too long. Its easy for us to say that though here and now - if you were given the choice of Mickey Linden or an up and coming corner forward in the late 90's, i know who i would have picked.

Big wins for Loughinisland, Downpatrick and Rostrevor at the weekend leaving Liatrom in the championship drop zone and league play off spot.  I would still expect them to stay in Div 1 though with play off match against either St Johns or Carryduff. They were in good form recently until their defeat to Downpatrick which saw the above 3 teams leapfrog them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 07, 2013, 08:44:33 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on October 07, 2013, 10:06:30 AM
Heard a rumour that the league final may not be played for another 6 weeks- this is a complete joke. There is no reason Kilcoo and Burren can't play their semi-final this Wednesday and play the final this Sunday. Clubs play midweek matches and weekend matches at the start of the season and can do it now. Making Castlewellan wait several weeks for a game is ridiculous.  The championship final in a couple of weeks is no reason to delay the league final- I can guarantee that the training both Burren and Kilcoo are doing at the minute will be as intense and any match with lads busting themselves to get a place on the team. The county board need to sort things out.

Towngael this has been happening for the last 5 years in Down making the league outcome a complete farce.  The fact that kilcoo and Burren also meet in the championship complicates matters. 

One solution would be for the team at the top of the league to simply win the league! Castlewellan have been the most consistent team throughout the league so they would be deserving winners.  It should also ensure teams take every league game seriously, Burrens two recent defeats to loughanisland and clonduff maybe showing that they have taken their eye off the ball.

The alternative would be to have all league games and playoffs played before the championship starts. Either way would be be an improvement on the current mockery where one team may not have a competitive game for 6 wks and the other may not care having either just come off a ulster championship run or a county final defeat.

Think it a bit unrealistic to ask either team to play each a week before they meet again next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on October 07, 2013, 09:48:25 PM
Whitegoodman I've always thought league playoffs were wrong- top team should always win it in my opinion. The county board treating it as badly as they do devalues it. You make very valid points and something needs to be done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ffsref on October 07, 2013, 09:53:13 PM
Who do we fancie for drumgath vs Bosco ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 07, 2013, 10:40:31 PM
Quote from: Ffsref on October 07, 2013, 09:53:13 PM
Who do we fancie for drumgath vs Bosco ?

Should be tasty after the meeting between the pair last year!! Word coming out of Drumgath is that they are quietly confident though Bosco won't be easy turned over...could come down to the Bench and Drumgath have a very strong bench could see them through...hard one to call
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on October 07, 2013, 11:18:14 PM
Town Gael, I can understand your frustration with this as it has been happening for years now!
The worst case being in 2011 with Burren going on a run in Ulster and with Kevin McKernan being away with Ireland and the International Rules teams.
Mayobridge had to wait around 6 weeks after thier last league game to play Burren (who fielded a weakened side on the night) in the semi final and then the final was played a further week from this, which Kilcoo won on the night (around 10th of December I think) in front of about 300 spectators on a freezing night In Pairc Esler. Complete joke.
IMO, the CB are only to blame here as the rest of the divisional finals are completed well before this.
So it looks like your in for a long wait, but I could not fault Burren and Kilcoo for not playing it as both thier focus will always be on the County Final, rather than the league playoffs/finals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 07, 2013, 11:56:19 PM
Quote from: Ffsref on October 07, 2013, 09:53:13 PM
Who do we fancie for drumgath vs Bosco ?

We fancy the gath. Best off luck to Justy and the boys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on October 08, 2013, 09:04:22 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 06, 2013, 12:02:57 PM
Great day for Glenn yesterday with the U16s winning the B Final against Castlewellan and the Seniors winning the Div 2 title afterwards in Dundrum.

It was brilliant, Minus. I would say its a long time since Castlewellan got such a hammering (U16s), and the seniors coming home with the trophy finished off a remarkable season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on October 08, 2013, 02:47:21 PM
Some great battlers in that Glenn outfit. Castlewellan were stunned by 2 quick goals in the first half and after that Glenn really went for the juglar and excelled in every position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on October 08, 2013, 06:26:01 PM
drumgath have the fire power to win the final but displine is crucial.incidentally  the local press coverage is poor when compared to the democrat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on October 08, 2013, 09:48:26 PM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on October 08, 2013, 09:04:22 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 06, 2013, 12:02:57 PM
Great day for Glenn yesterday with the U16s winning the B Final against Castlewellan and the Seniors winning the Div 2 title afterwards in Dundrum.

It was brilliant, Minus. I would say its a long time since Castlewellan got such a hammering (U16s), and the seniors coming home with the trophy finished off a remarkable season.

2 years in a row your u16's have been hiding in division 3 pretending you can't field 15 players and then come out to win a championship.  maybe you should be honest and asked to be graded properly . if there had been a C championship you wouldn't even have been in the B, but your not alone at this game St. Pauls, Kingdom, Loughinisland and Bryansford spring to mind
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on October 08, 2013, 10:19:22 PM
Quote from: The Raven on October 08, 2013, 09:48:26 PM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on October 08, 2013, 09:04:22 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 06, 2013, 12:02:57 PM
Great day for Glenn yesterday with the U16s winning the B Final against Castlewellan and the Seniors winning the Div 2 title afterwards in Dundrum.

It was brilliant, Minus. I would say its a long time since Castlewellan got such a hammering (U16s), and the seniors coming home with the trophy finished off a remarkable season.

2 years in a row your u16's have been hiding in division 3 pretending you can't field 15 players and then come out to win a championship.  maybe you should be honest and asked to be graded properly . if there had been a C championship you wouldn't even have been in the B, but your not alone at this game St. Pauls, Kingdom, Loughinisland and Bryansford spring to mind

not sure of the relevance of glenns under 16 team league two years ago is or last years for that matter. You do understand that once a player is over 16 they move on to minor. Glenn started the year with 18 eligible players at under 16 level.  Knowing three were going to the Gaeltacht for a month in the summer would you have entered them in a 15 aside league? Dont let the facts get in the way of your wee rant though .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 09, 2013, 10:47:40 AM
Quote from: lucan on October 08, 2013, 06:26:01 PM
drumgath have the fire power to win the final but displine is crucial.incidentally  the local press coverage is poor when compared to the democrat.

it would be a different story if rathfriland rangers were playing in a final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 09, 2013, 11:29:53 AM
Just looking at Drumgath Panel in the paper they have some very experienced guys playing for them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 09, 2013, 12:09:46 PM
Quote from: The Raven on October 08, 2013, 09:48:26 PM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on October 08, 2013, 09:04:22 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on October 06, 2013, 12:02:57 PM
Great day for Glenn yesterday with the U16s winning the B Final against Castlewellan and the Seniors winning the Div 2 title afterwards in Dundrum.

It was brilliant, Minus. I would say its a long time since Castlewellan got such a hammering (U16s), and the seniors coming home with the trophy finished off a remarkable season.

2 years in a row your u16's have been hiding in division 3 pretending you can't field 15 players and then come out to win a championship.  maybe you should be honest and asked to be graded properly . if there had been a C championship you wouldn't even have been in the B, but your not alone at this game St. Pauls, Kingdom, Loughinisland and Bryansford spring to mind

I'd be interested to hear why St Pauls are included in this 'exalted' company?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on October 09, 2013, 01:48:15 PM
passedit, St. Pauls got to semi final of A championship asked to be regraded to div. 2

stiff breeze, glad to hear Glen have the only irish speakers in the county. Last year at cut off point teams below you in the league were put in B championship yet you were put in C championship.  Somebody somewhere loves you ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 09, 2013, 02:23:50 PM
Quote from: The Raven on October 09, 2013, 01:48:15 PM
passedit, St. Pauls got to semi final of A championship asked to be regraded to div. 2

stiff breeze, glad to hear Glen have the only irish speakers in the county. Last year at cut off point teams below you in the league were put in B championship yet you were put in C championship.  Somebody somewhere loves you ?

I don't see how a team playing A championship (especially one from a junior club) can be accused of pot hunting. As for playing Division 2, their results in that league would suggest that they were correctly graded (lost three times finishing joint fourth with Ballyholland and behind Mayobridge, neither of whom incurred your wrath).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on October 09, 2013, 03:42:16 PM
Quote from: passedit on October 09, 2013, 02:23:50 PM
Quote from: The Raven on October 09, 2013, 01:48:15 PM
passedit, St. Pauls got to semi final of A championship asked to be regraded to div. 2

stiff breeze, glad to hear Glen have the only irish speakers in the county. Last year at cut off point teams below you in the league were put in B championship yet you were put in C championship.  Somebody somewhere loves you ?

I don't see how a team playing A championship (especially one from a junior club) can be accused of pot hunting. As for playing Division 2, their results in that league would suggest that they were correctly graded (lost three times finishing joint fourth with Ballyholland and behind Mayobridge, neither of whom incurred your wrath).
Sorry I forgot the rugby season wasn't finished when the league was on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 09, 2013, 07:01:45 PM
Quote from: The Raven on October 09, 2013, 03:42:16 PM
Quote from: passedit on October 09, 2013, 02:23:50 PM
Quote from: The Raven on October 09, 2013, 01:48:15 PM
passedit, St. Pauls got to semi final of A championship asked to be regraded to div. 2

stiff breeze, glad to hear Glen have the only irish speakers in the county. Last year at cut off point teams below you in the league were put in B championship yet you were put in C championship.  Somebody somewhere loves you ?

I don't see how a team playing A championship (especially one from a junior club) can be accused of pot hunting. As for playing Division 2, their results in that league would suggest that they were correctly graded (lost three times finishing joint fourth with Ballyholland and behind Mayobridge, neither of whom incurred your wrath).
Sorry I forgot the rugby season wasn't finished when the league was on

That's the best you can come up with? I think you've spelt your name wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on October 10, 2013, 09:23:37 AM
Quote from: The Raven on October 09, 2013, 01:48:15 PM

stiff breeze, glad to hear Glen have the only irish speakers in the county. Last year at cut off point teams below you in the league were put in B championship yet you were put in C championship.  Somebody somewhere loves you ?

So nobody loves you is that the issue? Maybe your daddy didn't give u the hugs u craved when u were a 14 year old girl , I don't care, all that matters to me is our under 16s did the club very proud by Wining the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 10, 2013, 09:55:03 AM
At least you aren't bitter about it Raven
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on October 10, 2013, 11:17:39 AM
My point was that grading for juveniles appears to be mystery to all but a few. I think we had all hoped the all county juvenile leagues would have sorted out any anomalies.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: county derry post on October 10, 2013, 12:12:16 PM
Ten of Ulster's foremost GAA personalities will be on hand this Saturday as the 'Superstars Challenge' is officially launched at Bellaghy GAA (11am).



Based on the International Superstars idea, the event is an all-around sports competition that pits elite athletes from different sports against one another in a series of athletic events resembling a decathlon.

With the Challenge due to take place on 28th December, all proceeds raised will go to Marie Curie Cancer Care – an organisation playing a vital role in supporting cancer sufferers and their families.

The organisers believe the event – a first for the GAA – will capture the imagination of the general public building up to the unique December show-down.

Former Derry footballer and member of the organising committee, Ronan Rocks, explained what the next few months will involve:

"We will have our launch this weekend but that's only the start.

"The key fundraising campaign centres around ten star GAA players from throughout Ulster participating in a series of events throughout the day. We feel this event will appeal to the wider community. To have ten high profile sporting stars competing against each other in a unique event will obtain the much needed funds as well as generate a vast awareness of the event and associated sponsors throughout."

Already ahead of the game, organisers have set up Twitter (@SuperSCh) and Facebook pages to keep people informed and up to date with latest developments.

Ten local companies have already agreed sponsorship of the participants and it is hoped that the wider public will contribute further to what will be a unique event this December.

The 2013 event will also seek to raise awareness for another worthy cause, as Rocks explains:

"We have also decided that through this campaign we want to continue to raise awareness for the "Opt for Life" campaign and we are delighted to have Joe Brolly, who is a strong campaigner for this worthy cause, within our fundraising committee." explained Rocks.

Further event information and background

Athletes can compete in up to eight of the ten events, with no-one generally allowed to take part in their own sport, although some handicapping rules do apply.

Competitors participate in a range of different sporting events, including a 100m sprint, 800 metres (0.50 mi) run, obstacle course or Steeplechase, weightlifting, football, rowing, tennis, basketball, bicycle racing, shooting and swimming. The sports used have varied over time and between the various international competitions.

Points are awarded for the position in which the competitor places in each event. The competitor with the most points at the end of all the events is declared the champion.

How would you like to see Ulster GAA's Finest compete in such an event???

Could Ryan Bell beat Marty McGrath in a full length of the field sprint???

Could Aaron Kernan do more press ups than Michael McCann???

Could Owen Mulligan bench press more than Kieran Hughes???

Just some of the examples that only a Superstars challenge could bring!

Competitors:

(1) Ryan Bell (Derry) Nicholl Oils
(2) Owen Mulligan (Tyrone) O'Neills
(3) Michael McCann (Antrim) Creagh Concrete
(4) Eamon McGee (Donegal) H & A Mechanical
(5) Darren Hughes (Monaghan) Bannvale Credit Union
(6) Kevin McKernan (Down) Mac Trailers
(7) Marty McGrath (Fermanagh) DPD
(8) Marty Dunne (Cavan) Kingspan
(9) Aaron Kernan (Armagh) SDC
(10) Fergal Doherty (Bellaghy) Specialist Joinery Fittings
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 10, 2013, 01:40:43 PM
Quote from: The Raven on October 10, 2013, 11:17:39 AM
My point was that grading for juveniles appears to be mystery to all but a few. I think we had all hoped the all county juvenile leagues would have sorted out any anomalies.

Spot the upset parent....or player..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Buffer on October 10, 2013, 06:08:08 PM
Ach raver sounds like you have spat the dummy out.best team won from what I heard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on October 10, 2013, 07:44:45 PM
Frank Dawson to be announced as new 'Ford manager!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on October 10, 2013, 08:58:18 PM
I heard Dawson had sent them his CV. Man is a mercenary.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 11, 2013, 12:49:52 PM
I thought Frank was of to fermanagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 11, 2013, 01:28:45 PM
He is no more a county manager - and I could have managed Burren to the two championships he did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on October 11, 2013, 02:40:01 PM
I'm hearing Sean Ward in the new manager in Bryansford.  Frank Dawson is going to Clonduff according to my source.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 11, 2013, 05:00:22 PM
Im not suprised Sean Ward is being linked with senior club management posts. He has done very well at St Johns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 11, 2013, 08:31:06 PM
Quote from: amallon on October 11, 2013, 02:40:01 PM
I'm hearing Sean Ward in the new manager in Bryansford.  Frank Dawson is going to Clonduff according to my source.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.  I heard that Dawson has joined Bryansford alright for a serious amount of dough.  Ward will be picked up somewhere else himself.  The merry go round will probably start very soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superbad on October 11, 2013, 10:29:35 PM
The word is that Dawson has joined Bryansfrod. What clubs has he managed and to what success?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 11, 2013, 11:45:14 PM
Did Frank Dawson had a meeting with Bryansford a evening before he quit Antrim job?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on October 13, 2013, 09:55:49 AM
Dawson is after wee James job that is for certain
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 13, 2013, 01:08:18 PM
Washed up are you talking about James job in Tullyraine because I don't think it is with the county 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 13, 2013, 02:42:54 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on October 13, 2013, 01:08:18 PM
Washed up are you talking about James job in Tullyraine because I don't think it is with the county 

;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on October 13, 2013, 07:57:40 PM
intermediate county champions Drumgath 0 .15  Bosco 1 .07 up the GATH
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 13, 2013, 08:21:56 PM
Quote from: lucan on October 13, 2013, 07:57:40 PM
intermediate county champions Drumgath 0 .15  Bosco 1 .07 up the GATH

pints in Downeys tomorrow lucan? great performace, well done boys #UTG. commiserations to Bosco, tough losing a final but two in a row is sickening, best of luck to them for next year. special wee nod to Fior Gael and Tor Gael. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on October 13, 2013, 09:18:00 PM
was at the county finals in newry today some good action on the field and the two junior finalists must try again it is congratulations to Drumgath on the intermediate win with a match winning first half performance which proved insurmountable for Bosco  to claw back, but other things today surprised me firstly the number of supporters who exited the ground after the Junior game and before the intermediate final was startling, the fact that the county chairman forgot the sponsors name for the intermediate  championship and the announcement of the Junior replay for wednesday night without consultation of the teams and then announcing an hour later that it would go ahead on friday and no venue or time announced- is this'The Down way'?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on October 13, 2013, 10:13:13 PM
Hear that Poucher eejit is now with Annaclone... Nearly a big a mercenary as Dawson!

Man is totally clueless, regardless of his weekly muck in the gaelic life!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on October 13, 2013, 10:55:13 PM
I see junior replay is on Down website for wed 7.30 in Downpatrick. What are CB at, surely their supporters deserve better than being asked to stand at Downpatrick. would Newcastle not be a more suitable venue. It was ok for Loughinisland v Downpatrick 6 weeks ago
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 13, 2013, 11:02:42 PM
Drumgath's Colm Maginn is worth a shot in the McKenna Cup.

Packie Downey outstanding today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on October 13, 2013, 11:30:43 PM
Quote from: our_fella on October 13, 2013, 10:13:13 PM
Hear that Poucher eejit is now with Annaclone... Nearly a big a mercenary as Dawson!

Man is totally clueless, regardless of his weekly muck in the gaelic life!

Where are you hearing this??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: norabeag on October 14, 2013, 12:12:13 AM
Quote from: The Raven on October 13, 2013, 10:55:13 PM
I see junior replay is on Down website for wed 7.30 in Downpatrick. What are CB at, surely their supporters deserve better than being asked to stand at Downpatrick. would Newcastle not be a more suitable venue. It was ok for Loughinisland v Downpatrick 6 weeks ago
They were hardly going to play that game in Downpatrick. Anyway pitch and lights in Downpatrick would be vastly superior.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 14, 2013, 02:28:42 AM
Quote from: our_fella on October 13, 2013, 10:13:13 PM
Hear that Poucher eejit is now with Annaclone... Nearly a big a mercenary as Dawson!

Man is totally clueless, regardless of his weekly muck in the gaelic life!
Clueless ??? You obviously have not attended one of his training sessions #keyboardwarrier
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 14, 2013, 09:41:35 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 13, 2013, 11:02:42 PM
Drumgath's Colm Maginn is worth a shot in the McKenna Cup.

Packie Downey outstanding today.

What number was Maginn, 14? Only person near county standard on the pitch was Downey, and even at that when Murtagh was put on him he wasn't as effective, although the game was probably won, don't know why that move wasn't made earlier as Murtagh himself wasn't doing much around the middle. Bosco kicked some wides in the first half, they could easily have been a lot closer at half time. Moan made a difference up front when he came on, but they didn't have enough scoring forwards and chances kept falling to the wrong men, i.e. backs/midfielders. Well done to Drumgath however they did what they had to do and the two lads up front took the scores when it mattered and that was the difference - Downey could easily have had two goals as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 14, 2013, 10:27:14 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 14, 2013, 02:28:42 AM
Quote from: our_fella on October 13, 2013, 10:13:13 PM
Hear that Poucher eejit is now with Annaclone... Nearly a big a mercenary as Dawson!

Man is totally clueless, regardless of his weekly muck in the gaelic life!
Clueless ??? You obviously have not attended one of his training sessions #keyboardwarrier

+1
I'd say if you asked the players he has coached what they thought they would put you right! Havin said that he's still a header along the line...even he wouldn't deny that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Confused on October 14, 2013, 10:52:46 AM
The word coach and manager often get confused. But u can be a good coach and terrible manager and vise versa. Think this applies to poacher. Coach just good and manager Poor. Egotistical and an all about me individual. He needs to be centre of attention, even during games. Even these posts will only feed his ego.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 14, 2013, 12:50:23 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 14, 2013, 09:41:35 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 13, 2013, 11:02:42 PM
Drumgath's Colm Maginn is worth a shot in the McKenna Cup.

Packie Downey outstanding today.

What number was Maginn, 14? Only person near county standard on the pitch was Downey, and even at that when Murtagh was put on him he wasn't as effective, although the game was probably won, don't know why that move wasn't made earlier as Murtagh himself wasn't doing much around the middle. Bosco kicked some wides in the first half, they could easily have been a lot closer at half time. Moan made a difference up front when he came on, but they didn't have enough scoring forwards and chances kept falling to the wrong men, i.e. backs/midfielders. Well done to Drumgath however they did what they had to do and the two lads up front took the scores when it mattered and that was the difference - Downey could easily have had two goals as well.

number 9, got man of the match award, played midfield for Down under 21s this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on October 14, 2013, 04:40:19 PM
The club manager merrygoround has most definitely began. After Dawson's reported coup by Bryansford it seems that a lot of the teams at the other end of the table are now without managers:
Longstone
Clonduff
Leitrim(stepping down after playoff match)
An Riocht
are now all on the hunt for new men at the helm. Let the merrygoround commence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 14, 2013, 09:09:01 PM
Taken from Hoganstand


Dawson back in management with Bryansford
14 October 2013

Antrim football manager Frank DawsonFrank Dawason has been appointed manager of top Down club side Bryansford just weeks after resigning as Antrim football boss.

Dawson, who replaces Pete McGrath in the Bryansford hot-seat, has stressed that the offer came after his departure from the Saffrons. He is highly regarded in Down club circles, having guided Burren and Clonduff to SFC success in the past, while he also brought Longstone to a county final a few years ago.

"I want to draw a line under that decision to leave Antrim," he is quoted in Gaelic Life.

"My resignation was for reasons related to a different vision of where, and how, I saw Antrim being able to realise its potential.

"There has been a lot of wild and ill-informed speculation regarding my departure from Antrim. There was no job waiting for me. There was no prior discussion with any county or club as to any new job.

"But when Bryansford contacted me after my resignation I had absolutely no hesitation in agreeing to talk. Everything that has happened since then has convinced me that this is the club that has the right fit for me. It is ambitious. It has a football DNA that has continually developed players of great talent.

"The challenge for all of us at Bryansford, on and off the pitch, is translate that talent into sustained results."


I don't know why he is saying that firstly Bryansford contacted him and secondly that it was after he had resigned.  It is common knowledge that both of these are wrong.  It will be interesting how he gets on with Bryansford, after all they shouldn't be that far away from the likes of Kilcoo and Burren. He could make all the difference. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on October 15, 2013, 03:00:13 AM
Im not denying he knows his stuff with regarding drills etc,but what on earth has he achieved? He was chased from the Down u21 scene, and the kingdom couldnt wait to get rid of him!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on October 15, 2013, 12:13:15 PM
Quote from: our_fella on October 15, 2013, 03:00:13 AM
Im not denying he knows his stuff with regarding drills etc,but what on earth has he achieved? He was chased from the Down u21 scene, and the kingdom couldnt wait to get rid of him!
More made up crap!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on October 16, 2013, 01:40:55 AM
I can promise you its not "made up crap"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on October 16, 2013, 12:11:33 PM
Our-fella -   Have you personally been coached or managed by Poacher? From the shit your talking on here, I would be confident in saying that you haven't been! If you speak to any off the players he has coached or managed, they wouldn't have a bad word to say about him.  I have  played on a team he has been involved in and everything about his training and coaching methods has been 1st Class. The man is passionate about Gaelic Football! As 5Sams said "he's a header along the line"..everyone would agree with this statement.  Its just shows his passion and drive to win...how boring would it be if we were all like robots who showed no emotion! Your just another keyword warrior talking shit online. He must know something if An Roicht, Mayobridge and Ballyholland brought him in. Plus if I remember correctly he was also with Burren a few years back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 16, 2013, 12:50:30 PM
Incidentally how did those teams fare under his excellent coaching?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on October 16, 2013, 01:11:19 PM
We'll the bridge got to the Championship Final Last year and would of won only for two mistakes by the keeper.

Ballyholland finished 5th in the league this year and were dealt a bad hand with their Championship Group.

He won the 2nd Division with An Roicht when it was a harder league that it is now. Granted he was in charge when they were relegated but they were really hampered with players emigrating. Think must clubs in the county would struggle

Also Our_fella said that he was chased from the Down u21 scene...doesn't mention that he was in charge of the Down u17 Development Squad this year. I have no doubt he will in the next few years take the Down minor job or at least be involved with the back room team.

Also why have people got such a problem with him? Please explain?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on October 16, 2013, 01:34:19 PM
Quote from: Rodders88 on October 16, 2013, 01:11:19 PM
We'll the bridge got to the Championship Final Last year and would of won only for two mistakes by the keeper.

Ballyholland finished 5th in the league this year and were dealt a bad hand with their Championship Group.

He won the 2nd Division with An Roicht when it was a harder league that it is now. Granted he was in charge when they were relegated but they were really hampered with players emigrating. Think must clubs in the county would struggle

Also Our_fella said that he was chased from the Down u21 scene...doesn't mention that he was in charge of the Down u17 Development Squad this year. I have no doubt he will in the next few years take the Down minor job or at least be involved with the back room team. Good post.

Also why have people got such a problem with him? Please explain?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 16, 2013, 01:54:38 PM
Quote from: drici on October 15, 2013, 06:27:13 PM
Dia Luain   21 - 10 - 13
Highlights 8-30pm

Burren v Kilcoo

Arles/Killeen v Portlaoise

Summerhill v Na Fianna

Dr Crokes v Austin Stacks

International Rules

Don't know which game on TG4 live yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 16, 2013, 02:06:20 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 16, 2013, 01:54:38 PM
Quote from: drici on October 15, 2013, 06:27:13 PM
Dia Luain   21 - 10 - 13
Highlights 8-30pm

Burren v Kilcoo

Arles/Killeen v Portlaoise

Summerhill v Na Fianna

Dr Crokes v Austin Stacks

International Rules

Don't know which game on TG4 live yet.

Bound to be Crokes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Confused on October 17, 2013, 09:11:29 AM
This is 3/4 time rodders88 has come on here and vehemently defended Steve. You would have to be a fanatic, boarding on obsessive to know all them facts. If I was miss marble, I would think Steve p is masquerading as rodders88:):)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: S.Poacher2012 on October 17, 2013, 10:46:48 AM
Come on down to our coaching day everyone and you'll get the chance to meet the real me  :D

Don't think there ll be too many takers but anyway here's the details of our day;

GAA Football Coaching Clinic

Saturday 9th November 2013

"Tackling for Success" (10 different Tackling games/drills)

Coaching Forum – Implications of the "Black Card"   
when Coaching the tackle, guests include;

2013 Down Senior Football Captain Mark Poland &
2013 Armagh Senior Football Captain Ciaran Mc Keever
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St Columban's College Kilkeel

£10 (Includes Tea/Coffee and information book
** Proceeds for the development of GAA in St Columban's**

Contact Steven Poacher to confirm place via text to 07779780919
or email to stevepoacher@hotmail.com **Payment on the day**
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 17, 2013, 01:31:24 PM
Quote from: Confused on October 17, 2013, 09:11:29 AM
This is 3/4 time rodders88 has come on here and vehemently defended Steve. You would have to be a fanatic, boarding on obsessive to know all them facts. If I was miss marble, I would think Steve p is masquerading as rodders88:):)

Please see above poster name.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 17, 2013, 02:09:04 PM
Quote from: Confused on October 17, 2013, 09:11:29 AM
This is 3/4 time rodders88 has come on here and vehemently defended Steve. You would have to be a fanatic, boarding on obsessive to know all them facts. If I was miss marble, I would think Steve p is masquerading as rodders88:):)

Yes he does seem to have an unusual knowledge of Steve!!  ;D  Truthfully though, anyone with a half decent interest in Down football would probably know all those things so your secret is safe for another while rodders88!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on October 17, 2013, 02:34:24 PM
haha confused...i don't think stevie would be that sad...or would he? ;)

I'm just speaking from personal experience and I couldn't say a bad word about him.  He takes alot of stick on here from boys who probably haven't even meet him.   

p.s thanks Down follower...don't let the cat outa the bag  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on October 17, 2013, 03:30:34 PM
Interesting Mckeever asked to coach people on tackling, after hear near decapitation of a Ballymacnab player 2 weeks ago!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on October 17, 2013, 04:42:36 PM
Another wee dig at Poacher here....you must seriously hate him. Explain?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Confused on October 17, 2013, 05:20:05 PM
Lol. Miss Marble I ain't. No more about poacher, he loves this sh##e.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 17, 2013, 08:38:41 PM
Congrats to drumgath on their intermediate win. I was at the game and must say they looked impressive all over the field. Maginn in midfield and Downey up front were probably the pick. Will they get a run with the county for McKenna cup? I know big Downey was on the panel a few yrs back but he mustn't have made that much impression or was he playing overseas for a few yrs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 18, 2013, 11:10:19 AM
Ok now seriously we have to at least mention the game on Sunday before it is over!!!  Two best teams in the County by far - the best final Down could have hoped for in my eyes.  I personally believe Burren have the best players in the County but Kilcoo while also having good players have something that gives them a bit extra as team.  I think this could balance the game out and i believe, and hope, that it will be a tight affair.  In fact i believe that Kilcoo will come out on top of a dog fight.  Dont expect too much fancy free flowing football here.  Kilcoo are going down the Crossmaglen route of becoming a machine that just rolls on without too much fuss.  But if anyone can stop them, then Burren have the players to do it. It will be a low scoring dog fight though which will suit Kilcoo.

Final outcome - Kilcoo 0-11, Burren 1-07.

In the minor final, something similar what with the weather etc.  Mayobridge have been flying all year but Rostrevor are usually good in underage finals so Rostrevor by a couple of points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 18, 2013, 12:12:35 PM
Senior Final
Burren are unrivalled in terms of their resources in this county. They have the best panel of players, with big game experience at all levels with club and county. They have coasted through the league at their leisure with only one goal in mind this year...Sunday.
They have been playing an attractive brand of football throughout the year based on speed and movement. They have been made to look like the Harlem Globetrotters at times, moving the ball off the shoulder and banging in goals left, right and centre. Goals have been a big 'contributing factor' to the success of their season so far and it isn't by coincidence. This is the influence of the new man in charge.
They have match winners and experience in key positions and their talent is clear to see. BUT....one would think they haven't been tested like they will be tested on sunday. Can they mix it for an hour if the game develops into a horrible, turgid, low scoring, niggly, stop-start affair. Have they the gonads for a dogfight with the grizzliest of dogs about? Have their young but talented players the temperament for such an affair where their own game is to be sacrificed for the good of the end result? Can their egos be kept in check and replaced with the maturity of a team of contenders on the biggest stage? Their talent and flair alone wont be enough to win this game.

Kilcoo will look back on the Bridge game with the satisfaction of knowing that they were well below par and didn't play anywhere like they know they can. McCorry has probably handed out a few boots up the hole since that game and if anything one would expect them to come out of the traps like demons on sunday and hit the ground running. Kilcoo will test every ounce of Burren's mental fortitude, and then some. They will try every psychological trick in the book to upset Burren. They will be in their faces trashtalking at every opportunity. Certain opposing players will be targeted for special treatment. Expect to see whoever is shining for Burren to be targeted in turns by aggressive little magpies. Its all horrible stuff to see but its one of Kilcoo's weapons of choice. If Kilcoo can overwhelm Burren with superior work rate and dogged defensive play to snuff out Burrens goal threat then it will be half the battle. Will Conor Laverty and his chums in the forward line be able to damage the score board in the same way we know the Burren attack can?

It promises to be an intriguing affair.
The head says that Burren with their superior personnel and talent should come through with a few to spare.


Minors.
Mayobridge had the shock of the round beating 'Point in semi-final and were defensively excellent (no coincidence when ye consider Brendan Grants involvement). Rostrevor have looked solid and consistent all year. Doyle V Quinn in the shootout. How will the others fill in around that? Rostrevor have a decent spread of talent but Mayobridge are a dogged lot and have snuffed out attacking threats before. Mayobridge are the surprise packet in the final whereas the reds aren't.
Rostrevor by 5pts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on October 18, 2013, 01:36:31 PM
What an eeijit you are Tamlin!!
"The Upper Class V The Working Class".
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 18, 2013, 01:56:05 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 18, 2013, 02:09:10 PM
Calm your sausages. It was only a quip.
Hard to argue with a lot of your measured and ell thought out response though Daisycutter ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 18, 2013, 03:13:23 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 18, 2013, 12:12:35 PM
Senior Final
Burren are unrivalled in terms of their resources in this county. They have the best panel of players, with big game experience at all levels with club and county. They have coasted through the league at their leisure with only one goal in mind this year...Sunday.
They have been playing an attractive brand of football throughout the year based on speed and movement. They have been made to look like the Harlem Globetrotters at times, moving the ball off the shoulder and banging in goals left, right and centre. Goals have been a big 'contributing factor' to the success of their season so far and it isn't by coincidence. This is the influence of the new man in charge.
They have match winners and experience in key positions and their talent is clear to see. BUT....one would think they haven't been tested like they will be tested on sunday. Can they mix it for an hour if the game develops into a horrible, turgid, low scoring, niggly, stop-start affair. Have they the gonads for a dogfight with the grizzliest of dogs about? Have their young but talented players the temperament for such an affair where their own game is to be sacrificed for the good of the end result? Can their egos be kept in check and replaced with the maturity of a team of contenders on the biggest stage? Their talent and flair alone wont be enough to win this game.

Kilcoo will look back on the Bridge game with the satisfaction of knowing that they were well below par and didn't play anywhere like they know they can. McCorry has probably handed out a few boots up the hole since that game and if anything one would expect them to come out of the traps like demons on sunday and hit the ground running. Kilcoo will test every ounce of Burren's mental fortitude, and then some. They will try every psychological trick in the book to upset Burren. They will be in their faces trashtalking at every opportunity. Certain opposing players will be targeted for special treatment. Expect to see whoever is shining for Burren to be targeted in turns by aggressive little magpies. Its all horrible stuff to see but its one of Kilcoo's weapons of choice. If Kilcoo can overwhelm Burren with superior work rate and dogged defensive play to snuff out Burrens goal threat then it will be half the battle. Will Conor Laverty and his chums in the forward line be able to damage the score board in the same way we know the Burren attack can?

It promises to be an intriguing affair. The Upper Class V The Working Class.
The head says that Burren with their superior personnel and talent should come through with a few to spare.


Minors.
Mayobridge had the shock of the round beating 'Point in semi-final and were defensively excellent (no coincidence when ye consider Brendan Grants involvement). Rostrevor have looked solid and consistent all year. Doyle V Quinn in the shootout. How will the others fill in around that? Rostrevor have a decent spread of talent but Mayobridge are a dogged lot and have snuffed out attacking threats before. Mayobridge are the surprise packet in the final whereas the reds aren't.
Rostrevor by 5pts.

What a twat you are
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 18, 2013, 06:17:43 PM
Totally agree. Sad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on October 18, 2013, 06:31:19 PM
Can see the slant he's trying to get at though, just poorly put.

Burren being the full-of-themselves cocky, egotistical so-called 'purists' who play fast, powerful and attractive football;
v
Kilcoo: the die on the ball, put your head where you wouldn't put a shovel, unpleasant to be marked-by close to the edge workaholics.

I know who I want to win. #UpTheMagpies
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 18, 2013, 06:43:25 PM
If Burren apply themselves and have the right attitude they'll win by 4/5 points. They have more quality. Kilcoo have work rate and definite talent but the fire power of Burren should see them through. Poor conditions could make it a tighter game but still fancy Burren to progress
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 18, 2013, 07:48:16 PM
If the cup was awarded to the best footballing team then Burren would win hands down.  But winning championships isn't always about being the best team and this is where Kilcoo come into their own.  No other team in Down has more hunger, desire, will to win etc and thats why it is hard to go past them.  Burren will fear Kilcoo more than Kilcoo will fear Burren.  Kilcoo to nip a very tight game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 18, 2013, 08:00:01 PM
Jesus lads some of yas take ur yourselves too seriously on here!!

I would be pretty confident the working class jib was meant in joking terms so get off ur high horses before yas hurt ur back.

On the game on Sunday Burrens lack of point scoring  and ambition to score an abundance of goals may come back to haunt them ala the Bryansford match as they will not walk through Kilcoo like they did against Saval or other lessor teams.

If both teams play to potential Burren will win, if both teams don't play to potential Kilcoo will win (IMO)

Il also be interested in see potential county players such as shay mcardle, Eamon toner, Conor Toner and Darragh O Hanlon perform.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 18, 2013, 08:17:00 PM
Such a sensitive crowd.
f**k me it wasn't meant to be taken literally. It was only figuratively speaking.
Some people go out of their way to find offence ffs.
No need for personal insults either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 18, 2013, 09:03:08 PM
I know how you feel Brick.:) up Burren !!!!!! (and Rostrevor) :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 19, 2013, 01:55:59 AM
I'm hearing that Shane Mulholland may be new County Minor manager.  All the best.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 19, 2013, 12:57:34 PM
Decent appointment if true, would want a coach along with him (not poucher)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 19, 2013, 06:27:26 PM
Well done to Teconnaught today on winning their first ever JFC with a 1-09 to 0-08 win in the replay over Dromara.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 19, 2013, 08:54:53 PM
How did the relegation / promotion play off go between liatroim and Carryduff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 19, 2013, 10:30:47 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on October 19, 2013, 08:54:53 PM
How did the relegation / promotion play off go between liatroim and Carryduff?

Liatriom 2.8 Carryduff 0.8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 20, 2013, 12:03:51 AM
Quote from: umpire on October 19, 2013, 10:30:47 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on October 19, 2013, 08:54:53 PM
How did the relegation / promotion play off go between liatroim and Carryduff?

Liatriom 2.8 Carryduff 0.8

Pretty much as expected. Can't wait till the champ final now. Should be a mighty battle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 20, 2013, 07:11:56 PM
poor enough match between down's 2 best teams. kilcoo wanted it more and fought for every ball. was really disappointed with burren, they didn't get going at all but to be fair they weren't allowed to. some ferocious kilcoo tackling won a lot of turnovers. game wasn't helped by some over fussy refereeing.
cross up next for kilcoo, they'll have to improve on todays performance for that match but they'll not be worrying about that tonight. congrats kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 20, 2013, 07:35:29 PM
Paddy Clarke ha ha ha, as they say in Kilcoo.Burren were tactically inept and badly short on the hunger front too. With a strong breeze in the first half, to continue to pump in high balls to Eoin Mc Cartan was playing in to the hands (literally) of the Kilcoo full-back line.For me, Kilcoo won the game in the first half as they were much sharper and were unlucky not to go in further ahead when Daragh O'Hanlon's shot came back off the upright.Gerard Mc Cartan did a good job on Laverty but the Burren half-forward line continually won good ball before coughing up possession too easily- credit to the Magpies.Burren were a bit more composed in the third quarter , with the Mc Ardles almost alone in realising that they had to do more than just turn up to regain Frank O'Hare. However, O'Hanlon, Laverty and the Devlins finished strongly and deserved to retain the title although I don't see them being as close to Cross this year. Decent crowd in Newry- good organisation bar the PA ( again, again, again) but poor game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on October 20, 2013, 07:44:48 PM
Impressed with Devlin for Kilcoo. Wouldn't mind seeing him get a run in the McKenna Cup to see how he'd do for the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 20, 2013, 07:45:06 PM
delighted for Kilcoo particularly after some of the idiotic comments (regarding class) on here the other day from p***k Tamlin, Burren didnt know how to win a tight game, Kilcoo did. Cross might not just fancy coming to Newry as much as playing in the athletic grounds, but they should win through with 4 or 5 points to spare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BRIDGE LAD on October 20, 2013, 08:07:51 PM
Who got motm?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 20, 2013, 08:15:03 PM
better won today.  burren had only one tactic of throwing  high ball into full forward line. never even looked like working.  brilliant free kick from o hanlon to level near the end was the kick that kilcoo needed to go on and win.  dont know who got mom but i would give it to niall mcevoy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 20, 2013, 08:56:21 PM
Niall McEvoy was MoM in a poor game which threw up very few new candidates for county football. Kilcoo were ordinary, except for the last five minutes, while Burren could never produce any kind of championship intensity. It was extraordinary that they hit 7-15 in the semi but their entire six forwards managed one point from play today. They really needed Kevin McKernan or Donal O'Neill to impose themselves, but that never looked like happening. Kilcoo are very well organised at the back, and tackle ferociously across the field, but would need to improve significantly if they are to trouble Cross. Paul Devlin and Darrragh O'Hanlon were mostly on the fringe of the game but showed great composure under pressure with their late frees.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman2013 on October 20, 2013, 09:01:54 PM
Ticket to the match £12,


Programme £3


Hot Dog £3


bottle of water £1


Seeing the look on Whitegoodmans face at the final whistle...................

Priceless     ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 20, 2013, 09:14:12 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 20, 2013, 07:45:06 PM
delighted for Kilcoo particularly after some of the idiotic comments (regarding class) on here the other day from p***k Tamlin, Burren didnt know how to win a tight game, Kilcoo did. Cross might not just fancy coming to Newry as much as playing in the athletic grounds, but they should win through with 4 or 5 points to spare.

Some people really getting upset at something I said figuratively. But hey if it makes you feel big work away. Fire personal insults from behind your keyboard.
Great win for kill coo today in what was a poor standard of game. Burrens big players with big reps just didn't show up today.simple as that. Kilcoo wanted it more and it showed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 20, 2013, 10:13:47 PM
Burren, with great pedigree and massive squad, slect an unfit forward instead of a tight full-back, go out to play Kilcoo at their game instead of working to their own strenghths .... not the Burren we used to fear, too much loose play from over-hyped "county men" ... too much misplaced ego I think ...if hey could get someone to knuckle down on the latent talent that is there they would swipe any team in Ulster aside but something is missing ... fair play to Kilcoo who get every ounce out of a small pool of players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Confused on October 20, 2013, 10:33:29 PM
Everyone is saying a poor game but it was exciting from minute 1 to 64. People are saying kilcoo have no chance v cross, they said that today as well. I am not a magpie fan but Jesus they have guts and heart. They have not played well yet but r co. champs. Cross will fear them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaisyCutter on October 20, 2013, 10:44:38 PM
Couldn't Agree more Confused!
It may not have been the most pleasing game to the eye but the ferocity in tackle and shire work rate from them terriers from Kilcoo was a joy to watch!
Them boys would put their head into a challenge where ya wouldn't put a shovel! On a day like today, that's what you've got to do to win Championships and I have every belief that Kilcoo have what it takes to defeat Cross and I wish them all best in representing our County once again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on October 21, 2013, 09:07:02 AM
That was a mighty free kick from O'Hanlon!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 21, 2013, 09:12:36 AM
Quote from: Leo on October 20, 2013, 10:13:47 PM
Burren, with great pedigree and massive squad, slect an unfit forward instead of a tight full-back, go out to play Kilcoo at their game instead of working to their own strenghths .... not the Burren we used to fear, too much loose play from over-hyped "county men" ... too much misplaced ego I think ...if hey could get someone to knuckle down on the latent talent that is there they would swipe any team in Ulster aside but something is missing ... fair play to Kilcoo who get every ounce out of a small pool of players

Maybe so, but there were 38 men named in the Burren programme panel and 34 in Kilcoo's, pretty large pool from both if you ask me.

Quote from: DaisyCutter on October 20, 2013, 10:44:38 PM
Couldn't Agree more Confused!
It may not have been the most pleasing game to the eye but the ferocity in tackle and shire work rate from them terriers from Kilcoo was a joy to watch!
Them boys would put their head into a challenge where ya wouldn't put a shovel! On a day like today, that's what you've got to do to win Championships and I have every belief that Kilcoo have what it takes to defeat Cross and I wish them all best in representing our County once again.

Kilcoo have wanted another crack Cross from the outset, that is what is driving them to where they are now and why they had more desire than Burren yesterday. However I strongly believe Cross would put either team away with something to spare. Kilcoo have the intensity no doubt and completely stopped the Burren fluidity we have seen previously, but Cross are a very direct and well oiled machine with 15-20% more in the tank than Burren who Kilcoo struggled to beat. They only scored 9 points themselves, 2 coming in injury time, hardly a huge scoring threat.

I don't, like many, understand why the high ball into McCartan was consistently used especially in the first half. The one time Burren played their running game coming off the shoulder they worked a goal chance and but for a poor attempt by Toner it could have been different. Strange tactic in the first place, and it didn't work at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 21, 2013, 09:21:17 AM
wat was yer man at before the match with the mic??  ge had a tough crowd!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 21, 2013, 11:00:16 AM
P.S Well done to our minors on a great win. Took a while to get going but probably deserved it overall.

Man on the mic was never going to get much feedback from the crowd no harm to him!!

P.P.S You would think they would have sorted out the mic/PA system by now, this is the third or fourth year you cannot hear officials or captains making their speeches! Seems to work ok for stadium announcements though. Sort it out!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Feckitt on October 21, 2013, 11:05:52 AM
Your man on the mic was a pure dose, and not helped by the fact that his mic wasn't working properly.

No harm to the wee girl who sang the National Anthem, yesterday, she did ok, and is a good singer, but I don't like the current trend of sending out teenage scor na nog winners to sing our National Anthem.

The Mayobridge band were standing there.  They should have played the anthem, give it a bit of welly, then more people might actually join in and get the atmosphere going.   There was zero atmosphere at the beginning of the match yesterday.

We have a poor to average anthem as it is ( with people almost embarrassed to join in), but it is made worse when performed in this way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on October 21, 2013, 02:23:21 PM
Is it true that Shane Mulholland has been appointed Down Minor manager? If so then its a great appointment by the county Board. If the players are their, he will take them far!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 21, 2013, 05:07:24 PM
Our tactics yesterday were awful. We need Dawaon back !!! Poor final though and good luck to Cross
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on October 21, 2013, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 21, 2013, 05:07:24 PM
Our tactics yesterday were awful. We need Dawaon back !!! Poor final though and good luck to Cross

Very disappointed with that comment. I understand that when your team is beaten it is hard to like the opposition but to wish a hegemonic Armagh side to beat a Down team is just, well dissapointing.

I would support any Down side in the Ulster championship and particularly against the Armagh champions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 21, 2013, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 21, 2013, 05:07:24 PM
Our tactics yesterday were awful. We need Dawaon back !!! Poor final though and good luck to Cross

Dawson had two of the handiest runs to championships finals you could ever imagine, never ever met Kilcoo in his 2 championship wins and when you actually sit down and think about it, who did he actually have to beat over those 2 years? One of the final wins was a farce against a Clonduff team who fluked their way to the final. First team that tore into them, Longstone last year, they didnt want to know! With idiotic comments like the above, Burren people then wonder why most of Down cant stand them 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 21, 2013, 06:30:38 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on October 21, 2013, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 21, 2013, 05:07:24 PM
Our tactics yesterday were awful. We need Dawaon back !!! Poor final though and good luck to Cross

Very disappointed with that comment. I understand that when your team is beaten it is hard to like the opposition but to wish a hegemonic Armagh side to beat a Down team is just, well dissapointing.

I would support any Down side in the Ulster championship and particularly against the Armagh champions.
not from kilcoo but i'll be supporting them all the way against cross!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on October 21, 2013, 07:57:28 PM
Congratulations to Kilcoo on achieving back to back Championship wins yesterday. We haven't achieved this since 1933 It was a hard hitting dogfight from the throw in that we were able to grind out.
Burren carried the favourites  tag even thought  Kilcoo has only lost one Championship match in 2 years and that was to Crossmaglen. Burren have lost Three games in the same time.
It doesn't suprise me Downjim is supporting Cross as most of the Burren team have been following them since the Armagh quarter finals!!
Forgive my rant as i know these good times don't last forever, Kilcoo  Punch way above their weight and pick from a parish of 1300 people,
Anthony Devlin made his senior debut as a 15 year old in division three and yesterday collected his third senior championship medal.
I thought Anthony and his 33 team mates done the parish proud.
Up next is Crossmaglen, its massive task but we'll look forward to the challenge.  #UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 21, 2013, 10:07:50 PM
well done kilcoo. simply the best team in Down for the last 2 years. Good luck in ulster.
Burren hyped up no end, must be some reason for it. rarely impressed by any of their county players apart from O'Hare and sometimes McKernan but I don't see enough club football to really comment, just my opinion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 22, 2013, 09:13:30 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 21, 2013, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 21, 2013, 05:07:24 PM
Our tactics yesterday were awful. We need Dawaon back !!! Poor final though and good luck to Cross

Dawson had two of the handiest runs to championships finals you could ever imagine, never ever met Kilcoo in his 2 championship wins and when you actually sit down and think about it, who did he actually have to beat over those 2 years? One of the final wins was a farce against a Clonduff team who fluked their way to the final. First team that tore into them, Longstone last year, they didnt want to know! With idiotic comments like the above, Burren people then wonder why most of Down cant stand them

Been saying this for a long time. I could have managed Burren to those 2 titles. They were peaking at a time when others weren't so hot, plus they had an easy road as mentioned, Dawson has done very little to deserve this big name title he seems to have got. He is by no way an inter county manager and don't see why a club would pay ridiculous money per session to gt him in.

Fair enough Kilcoo is a small place/parish, but so is Burren (I know they like to poach) and Cross, think Cross have under 1500. Not taking anything away from the win well done to Kilcoo, just don't buy into the small country team lark. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 22, 2013, 09:40:16 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 22, 2013, 09:13:30 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 21, 2013, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 21, 2013, 05:07:24 PM
Our tactics yesterday were awful. We need Dawaon back !!! Poor final though and good luck to Cross

Dawson had two of the handiest runs to championships finals you could ever imagine, never ever met Kilcoo in his 2 championship wins and when you actually sit down and think about it, who did he actually have to beat over those 2 years? One of the final wins was a farce against a Clonduff team who fluked their way to the final. First team that tore into them, Longstone last year, they didnt want to know! With idiotic comments like the above, Burren people then wonder why most of Down cant stand them

Been saying this for a long time. I could have managed Burren to those 2 titles. They were peaking at a time when others weren't so hot, plus they had an easy road as mentioned, Dawson has done very little to deserve this big name title he seems to have got. He is by no way an inter county manager and don't see why a club would pay ridiculous money per session to gt him in.

Fair enough Kilcoo is a small place/parish, but so is Burren (I know they like to poach) and Cross, think Cross have under 1500. Not taking anything away from the win well done to Kilcoo, just don't buy into the small country team lark.

Very harsh on Frank Dawson fellas, and it smacks of personal dislike instead of measured judgement. As a manager, he has won 3 more SFCs in Down than James McCartan, Ross Carr, DJ Kane, Paddy O'Rourke and Peter McGrath put together. One of the key skills of any manager is in instilling belief and camaraderie; getting players to group together as a club and peak together as a unit. Dawson obviously has a talent for doing this.

By the way, I don't think Burren have peaked yet. The core of this team are still under 23, and winter football tends to suit older teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 22, 2013, 10:05:33 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 22, 2013, 09:40:16 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 22, 2013, 09:13:30 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 21, 2013, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 21, 2013, 05:07:24 PM
Our tactics yesterday were awful. We need Dawaon back !!! Poor final though and good luck to Cross

Dawson had two of the handiest runs to championships finals you could ever imagine, never ever met Kilcoo in his 2 championship wins and when you actually sit down and think about it, who did he actually have to beat over those 2 years? One of the final wins was a farce against a Clonduff team who fluked their way to the final. First team that tore into them, Longstone last year, they didnt want to know! With idiotic comments like the above, Burren people then wonder why most of Down cant stand them

Been saying this for a long time. I could have managed Burren to those 2 titles. They were peaking at a time when others weren't so hot, plus they had an easy road as mentioned, Dawson has done very little to deserve this big name title he seems to have got. He is by no way an inter county manager and don't see why a club would pay ridiculous money per session to gt him in.

Fair enough Kilcoo is a small place/parish, but so is Burren (I know they like to poach) and Cross, think Cross have under 1500. Not taking anything away from the win well done to Kilcoo, just don't buy into the small country team lark.

Very harsh on Frank Dawson fellas, and it smacks of personal dislike instead of measured judgement. As a manager, he has won 3 more SFCs in Down than James McCartan, Ross Carr, DJ Kane, Paddy O'Rourke and Peter McGrath put together. One of the key skills of any manager is in instilling belief and camaraderie; getting players to group together as a club and peak together as a unit. Dawson obviously has a talent for doing this.

By the way, I don't think Burren have peaked yet. The core of this team are still under 23, and winter football tends to suit older teams.

Are you winding us up with that comment?? Dawson tore Antrim football in two this year and brought it to its knees, the way he left Antrim I lost a lot of respect for him, I have always been a big supporter of Frank and in previous posts I have called for him to be given a chance with Down seniors but events this year in Antrim and from speaking to past players everywhere he goes he leaves a trail of destruction behind him and a huge debt for some poor club to pick up! Burren were just lucky they d something to show for it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 22, 2013, 10:20:07 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 22, 2013, 10:05:33 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 22, 2013, 09:40:16 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 22, 2013, 09:13:30 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 21, 2013, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 21, 2013, 05:07:24 PM
Our tactics yesterday were awful. We need Dawaon back !!! Poor final though and good luck to Cross

Dawson had two of the handiest runs to championships finals you could ever imagine, never ever met Kilcoo in his 2 championship wins and when you actually sit down and think about it, who did he actually have to beat over those 2 years? One of the final wins was a farce against a Clonduff team who fluked their way to the final. First team that tore into them, Longstone last year, they didnt want to know! With idiotic comments like the above, Burren people then wonder why most of Down cant stand them

Been saying this for a long time. I could have managed Burren to those 2 titles. They were peaking at a time when others weren't so hot, plus they had an easy road as mentioned, Dawson has done very little to deserve this big name title he seems to have got. He is by no way an inter county manager and don't see why a club would pay ridiculous money per session to gt him in.

Fair enough Kilcoo is a small place/parish, but so is Burren (I know they like to poach) and Cross, think Cross have under 1500. Not taking anything away from the win well done to Kilcoo, just don't buy into the small country team lark.

Very harsh on Frank Dawson fellas, and it smacks of personal dislike instead of measured judgement. As a manager, he has won 3 more SFCs in Down than James McCartan, Ross Carr, DJ Kane, Paddy O'Rourke and Peter McGrath put together. One of the key skills of any manager is in instilling belief and camaraderie; getting players to group together as a club and peak together as a unit. Dawson obviously has a talent for doing this.

By the way, I don't think Burren have peaked yet. The core of this team are still under 23, and winter football tends to suit older teams.

Are you winding us up with that comment?? Dawson tore Antrim football in two this year and brought it to its knees, the way he left Antrim I lost a lot of respect for him, I have always been a big supporter of Frank and in previous posts I have called for him to be given a chance with Down seniors but events this year in Antrim and from speaking to past players everywhere he goes he leaves a trail of destruction behind him and a huge debt for some poor club to pick up! Burren were just lucky they d something to show for it had loads of money to afford it all!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 22, 2013, 10:21:00 AM
He tore Antrim in two? That's about 27 less divisions than they've had in the past!

While I've no respect either for the way he walked out on Antrim, Antrim GAA is a mess, and has been for as long as I've been on this planet. The only way it's ever going to be fixed up there is if someone takes a few years (with the county board's full support) to do a "my way or the high way", and eventually get the players unified.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 22, 2013, 10:37:19 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 22, 2013, 09:40:16 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 22, 2013, 09:13:30 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 21, 2013, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 21, 2013, 05:07:24 PM
Our tactics yesterday were awful. We need Dawaon back !!! Poor final though and good luck to Cross

Dawson had two of the handiest runs to championships finals you could ever imagine, never ever met Kilcoo in his 2 championship wins and when you actually sit down and think about it, who did he actually have to beat over those 2 years? One of the final wins was a farce against a Clonduff team who fluked their way to the final. First team that tore into them, Longstone last year, they didnt want to know! With idiotic comments like the above, Burren people then wonder why most of Down cant stand them

Been saying this for a long time. I could have managed Burren to those 2 titles. They were peaking at a time when others weren't so hot, plus they had an easy road as mentioned, Dawson has done very little to deserve this big name title he seems to have got. He is by no way an inter county manager and don't see why a club would pay ridiculous money per session to gt him in.

Fair enough Kilcoo is a small place/parish, but so is Burren (I know they like to poach) and Cross, think Cross have under 1500. Not taking anything away from the win well done to Kilcoo, just don't buy into the small country team lark.

Very harsh on Frank Dawson fellas, and it smacks of personal dislike instead of measured judgement. As a manager, he has won 3 more SFCs in Down than James McCartan, Ross Carr, DJ Kane, Paddy O'Rourke and Peter McGrath put together. One of the key skills of any manager is in instilling belief and camaraderie; getting players to group together as a club and peak together as a unit. Dawson obviously has a talent for doing this.

By the way, I don't think Burren have peaked yet. The core of this team are still under 23, and winter football tends to suit older teams.

Indeed and 2 of them were with the Burren team I mentioned. So as I say what else has he done to deserve it? You mention those other managers and fair enough the statistic might be true, but I wouldn't compare the former and latter with Dawson to be honest. No personal grudge at all, don't even know the man and have never worked with or under him in football or other - just don't think he is as good as he/others suggest. You mention this camaraderie etc which he installs, which is a top attribute for a manager no doubt about it, but if you knew (which you may I don't know) the lads in the current Burren team and the team spirit/workrate/togetherness etc they already have, you would know it wouldn't take much to galvanise that aspect. This is part of what I am getting at, the current Burren team already have the drive, team spirit (on and off field) plus the ability. Obviously you need a manager too, but Dawson was working with a well oiled machine at the time plus they weren't really tested. I won't even mention the Antrim farce, I know they are a soap opera at the best of times but Dawson didn't help himself at all with that. Should have swallowed his pride at the start of the summer and got the best players playing on the field for the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 22, 2013, 11:05:56 AM
Seriously folks the criticism of Dawson is not measured at all here.  He has won 3 championship titles, with two different teams, and taken another team to the final.  Now, i am no big fan of the man but this speaks for itself really.  Whatever about Burren and the players they have, they still had to go out and win it.  The manager this year couldnt do it, not could the manager before Dawson, so i think he deserves some serious respect there for that.

As for what happened with Antrim, well, they are a bit of a mess ok, but he clearly had agreed with the Ford to move there while still in the Antrim post.  He has previous on this with Carryduff and Bellaghy so it doesnt surprise me.  This however does not take away from his achievements.

Congratulations to Kilcoo, they deserved it and the game panned out pretty much as i expected.  A dogfight, in which there would be only one winner.  They will give Crossmaglen something to think about but i still think Cross are too organised and disciplined to fall into the Magpies trap.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 22, 2013, 01:04:01 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on October 22, 2013, 11:05:56 AM
Seriously folks the criticism of Dawson is not measured at all here.  He has won 3 championship titles, with two different teams, and taken another team to the final.  Now, i am no big fan of the man but this speaks for itself really.  Whatever about Burren and the players they have, they still had to go out and win it.  The manager this year couldnt do it, not could the manager before Dawson, so i think he deserves some serious respect there for that.

As for what happened with Antrim, well, they are a bit of a mess ok, but he clearly had agreed with the Ford to move there while still in the Antrim post.  He has previous on this with Carryduff and Bellaghy so it doesnt surprise me.  This however does not take away from his achievements.

Congratulations to Kilcoo, they deserved it and the game panned out pretty much as i expected.  A dogfight, in which there would be only one winner.  They will give Crossmaglen something to think about but i still think Cross are too organised and disciplined to fall into the Magpies trap.

You are ignoring the point that they had a handy run one year, played no one of note, and weren't tested at all til the final v Bryansford the other.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 22, 2013, 01:12:08 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 22, 2013, 01:04:01 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on October 22, 2013, 11:05:56 AM
Seriously folks the criticism of Dawson is not measured at all here.  He has won 3 championship titles, with two different teams, and taken another team to the final.  Now, i am no big fan of the man but this speaks for itself really.  Whatever about Burren and the players they have, they still had to go out and win it.  The manager this year couldnt do it, not could the manager before Dawson, so i think he deserves some serious respect there for that.

As for what happened with Antrim, well, they are a bit of a mess ok, but he clearly had agreed with the Ford to move there while still in the Antrim post.  He has previous on this with Carryduff and Bellaghy so it doesnt surprise me.  This however does not take away from his achievements.

Congratulations to Kilcoo, they deserved it and the game panned out pretty much as i expected.  A dogfight, in which there would be only one winner.  They will give Crossmaglen something to think about but i still think Cross are too organised and disciplined to fall into the Magpies trap.

You are ignoring the point that they had a handy run one year, played no one of note, and weren't tested at all til the final v Bryansford the other.

And you are ignoring the point that in the last 15 years, Burren have won two SFC titles, both of which were under Dawson.

You can f**k around with theories and run him down all you like, but the stats tell a simple truth. The only team that beat Frank Dawson's Burren in Championship football were Crossmaglen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 22, 2013, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 22, 2013, 01:12:08 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 22, 2013, 01:04:01 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on October 22, 2013, 11:05:56 AM
Seriously folks the criticism of Dawson is not measured at all here.  He has won 3 championship titles, with two different teams, and taken another team to the final.  Now, i am no big fan of the man but this speaks for itself really.  Whatever about Burren and the players they have, they still had to go out and win it.  The manager this year couldnt do it, not could the manager before Dawson, so i think he deserves some serious respect there for that.

As for what happened with Antrim, well, they are a bit of a mess ok, but he clearly had agreed with the Ford to move there while still in the Antrim post.  He has previous on this with Carryduff and Bellaghy so it doesnt surprise me.  This however does not take away from his achievements.

Congratulations to Kilcoo, they deserved it and the game panned out pretty much as i expected.  A dogfight, in which there would be only one winner.  They will give Crossmaglen something to think about but i still think Cross are too organised and disciplined to fall into the Magpies trap.

You are ignoring the point that they had a handy run one year, played no one of note, and weren't tested at all til the final v Bryansford the other.

And you are ignoring the point that in the last 15 years, Burren have won two SFC titles, both of which were under Dawson.

You can f**k around with theories and run him down all you like, but the stats tell a simple truth. The only team that beat Frank Dawson's Burren in Championship football were Crossmaglen.

I am sure a few Longstone people would disagree with that statement
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 22, 2013, 04:11:48 PM
For what its worth Frank was the last man to guide Down hurlers to an Ulster senior championship final win, he may have been helped with Antrim being so abjectly poor at the time, but you've still got to be in it to win it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 23, 2013, 01:07:01 PM
Can anyone shed light if both managers on Sunday were on win bonuses for winning the championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on October 24, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
Very unlikely anyone is going to put in writing whether people are on win bonuses, sure they don't get paid!!!!
Also heard the rumour about Shane Mulholland taking the county minor job. I would be surprised if he doesn't have Poacher with him since they worked together at Ballyholland, albeit using a very very defensive gameplan but hey it got them results I suppose. Just hope whoever else is along with him/them can be strong enough to ensure that we don't get our young county players to see that football as the norm and that they are coached an attractive brand of football.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 24, 2013, 02:53:29 PM
Quote from: downup on October 24, 2013, 02:17:59 PM
Very unlikely anyone is going to put in writing whether people are on win bonuses, sure they don't get paid!!!!
Also heard the rumour about Shane Mulholland taking the county minor job. I would be surprised if he doesn't have Poacher with him since they worked together at Ballyholland, albeit using a very very defensive gameplan but hey it got them results I suppose. Just hope whoever else is along with him/them can be strong enough to ensure that we don't get our young county players to see that football as the norm and that they are coached an attractive brand of football.

Won't happen. Poacher staying at Ballyholland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on October 24, 2013, 03:23:26 PM
That doesn't necessarily mean he won't be with them. Wee Pete done both this past few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 24, 2013, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: downup on October 24, 2013, 03:23:26 PM
That doesn't necessarily mean he won't be with them. Wee Pete done both this past few years.

Wee Pete hadnt a wife and two or three snappers!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on October 24, 2013, 04:34:57 PM
Is that confirmed 5sams? Messages on here a few weeks back said he was taking Annaclone next year!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 24, 2013, 04:50:56 PM
Quote from: Rodders88 on October 24, 2013, 04:34:57 PM
Is that confirmed 5sams? Messages on here a few weeks back said he was taking Annaclone next year!!!

Yep. Done and dusted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on October 24, 2013, 04:53:39 PM
Great appointment! I take it he'll be by himself this year with Mulholland taking the county minor job?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 24, 2013, 05:01:32 PM
Quote from: Rodders88 on October 24, 2013, 04:53:39 PM
Great appointment! I take it he'll be by himself this year with Mulholland taking the county minor job?

Yep looks like he's the boss alright...as for Shane and the minor job...I havent seen anything official yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on October 24, 2013, 08:14:56 PM
Yes Stevie confirmed with Annaclone.Regards minors word is Selection Committee meeting 3 different parties one involving  Ex Co Managers ,one involving All Star forward and the other involving Shane.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 24, 2013, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: Courtney on October 24, 2013, 08:14:56 PM
Yes Stevie confirmed with Annaclone.Regards minors word is Selection Committee meeting 3 different parties one involving  Ex Co Managers ,one involving All Star forward and the other involving Shane.

You sure about the Annaclone thing Courtney?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 24, 2013, 11:17:51 PM
That's some first post. An enigma that puts the cat amongst the pigeons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on October 25, 2013, 08:42:36 AM
Can anyone clear this up...is Poacher with Annaclone or Ballyholland next year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on October 25, 2013, 10:01:57 AM
The league semi-final isn't now until 7th November- it is a complete disgrace the way the Co Board has treated the league playoffs.
Castlewellan had 1 league game in at the start of September, 1 at the start of October and will have at least a 6 week wait before their next game- the final in Mid-November. I'd scrap the playoffs- if you finish top you win the league. Mid-November at the earliest  for the final makes a nonsense of the whole thing- all because it seems someone thought a 9 day break day break before the Crossmaglen match wasn't enough for Kilcoo. Rugby players can play international matches on a 6 day turn-around- there is absolutely no reason the league semi-between Kilcoo and Burren could not be played tonight as was planned- it is unfair on the Castlewellan players .
On another point to make the league more of a priority I would have the League champions play the Championship winners to see who represents Down in the Ulster Championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on October 25, 2013, 10:07:02 AM
As far as I know he will be with Annaclone (does it really matter?) ,although really we should lay off the guy he just wants to coach and keeps on trying although  'Bridge didn't keep him not so sure about the other clubs but he is  a nice guy.No need to be bringing his name up here all the time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 25, 2013, 10:10:24 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on October 25, 2013, 10:01:57 AM
On another point to make the league more of a priority I would have the League champions play the Championship winners to see who represents Down in the Ulster Championship.

I'd agree with most of your sentiments about the league. But this one, this one is nuts. Do you honestly think Burren/Kilcoo/Mayobridge/Bryansford would play a single league game without their county players, if the prize for coming top was a shot at an All Ireland?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on October 25, 2013, 10:20:06 AM
 "On another point to make the league more of a priority I would have the League champions play the Championship winners to see who represents Down in the Ulster Championship "

On another point are you on drugs..

The town should be happy enogh to wait any other year at this stage they are just about avoiding relegation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 25, 2013, 10:30:28 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on October 25, 2013, 10:01:57 AM
The league semi-final isn't now until 7th November- it is a complete disgrace the way the Co Board has treated the league playoffs.
Castlewellan had 1 league game in at the start of September, 1 at the start of October and will have at least a 6 week wait before their next game- the final in Mid-November. I'd scrap the playoffs- if you finish top you win the league. Mid-November at the earliest  for the final makes a nonsense of the whole thing- all because it seems someone thought a 9 day break day break before the Crossmaglen match wasn't enough for Kilcoo. Rugby players can play international matches on a 6 day turn-around- there is absolutely no reason the league semi-between Kilcoo and Burren could not be played tonight as was planned- it is unfair on the Castlewellan players .
On another point to make the league more of a priority I would have the League champions play the Championship winners to see who represents Down in the Ulster Championship.

Absolute madness. Would you be saying this if the Town were lying down round the middle of the table? No harm to you but Kilcoo or Burren are better equipment to represent the county in Ulster, and did Burren not hammer Castlewellen in the league?

I do agree however that the league should be the league and that's it, no semi final or final, that isn't a league format.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on October 25, 2013, 10:53:10 AM
I would allow county players to play in all league games if they want- hasn't done Tyrone any harm. Wrapping players up in cotton wool is not needed. Most GAA injuries are muscular and there is much chance of pulling a muscle in training as there is in a game.
Ours is the only sport in the world where the most consistent team over a season is deemed less of a team than one who wins the knock-out cup played over 6 weeks. Priorities are all wrong. It is just a suggestion but I think the league (and the National league) should be given more respect.
I would be saying this regardles of where the Town were. Mayobridge when they were winning championships were more often than not top of the league too. I'm not in any way saying Castlewellan are better equipped than Burren to go into Ulster. If Burren had taken the league seriously at the end of the season they would not have dropped the points they dropped and would be top. (by the way Supersub they only beat the Town by 5 in the league and were very lucky to do s with 2 balls droped into the net)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on October 25, 2013, 11:39:40 AM
Crazy League is a secondary competition .Leagues for playing in and Championships for winning.
Start the League earlier in the year and play top 4 at end of year to get League Winners .Nonsense talk on here such and such finished 5th , 6th etc who really gives a damn about League Football ,Championship is the yardstick of a club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on October 25, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
Town Gael - agree with some of your comments but the last one is ludicrous!

Whoever finishes top of the league should be crowned league champions. The whole play-off situation is joke. Happens every year that the league final doesn't take place until the end of November / middle of December. I feel for castlewellan on this. Its hard to keep players training if the league final doesn't take place until 6/7 weeks after your last league game.  We keep complaining about it every year but the clubs / county board do noting about it.

Agree with Courtney about the Championship. The big teams are more concerned about winning the Championship...league titles don't mean a thing to them. League football is for trying things out and getting things right for when Championship time comes.

I don't know why the county board doesn't have the league finished up before the Championship starts. It would keeps the players interested and have boys fighting to get their place for the Championship. Every league game would mean something and would keep it competitive. I know from personal experience  that after being safe and getting knocked out of the Championship early, having 3 or 4 league fixtures to fur-fill is a pain in the hole. Its hard to get players to train and even come match day its hard to get players interested. Most time you have to gather a few minors as you can't get enough senior players to play.  Also you wouldn't have the one side games when teams who are still in the Championship and have something to play for are playing against teams who just want the seaon to be over and don't give a fcuk! 

 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Corner Forward on October 25, 2013, 01:30:39 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on October 25, 2013, 10:53:10 AM
I would allow county players to play in all league games if they want- hasn't done Tyrone any harm. Wrapping players up in cotton wool is not needed. Most GAA injuries are muscular and there is much chance of pulling a muscle in training as there is in a game.
Ours is the only sport in the world where the most consistent team over a season is deemed less of a team than one who wins the knock-out cup played over 6 weeks. Priorities are all wrong. It is just a suggestion but I think the league (and the National league) should be given more respect.
I would be saying this regardles of where the Town were. Mayobridge when they were winning championships were more often than not top of the league too. I'm not in any way saying Castlewellan are better equipped than Burren to go into Ulster. If Burren had taken the league seriously at the end of the season they would not have dropped the points they dropped and would be top. (by the way Supersub they only beat the Town by 5 in the league and were very lucky to do s with 2 balls droped into the net)


Majority of club players in tryone would disagree, leagues arent due to finish in tryone until 2/3rd weekend of December. The Co boards preference that county players should play in club games means club teams often go weeks without football. i personally think the fixtures in Down work quite well compared to most other counties in ulster. Majority of teams had their league football wrapped up by start of october with only those in latter stages of championship/ league playoffs still to play. IMO do away with all playoffs whether promotion or relegation. Every team plays same number of games with top winning and bottom two going down in each division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 25, 2013, 03:56:32 PM


Majority of club players in tryone would disagree, leagues arent due to finish in tryone until 2/3rd weekend of December. The Co boards preference that county players should play in club games means club teams often go weeks without football. i personally think the fixtures in Down work quite well compared to most other counties in ulster. Majority of teams had their league football wrapped up by start of october with only those in latter stages of championship/ league playoffs still to play. IMO do away with all playoffs whether promotion or relegation. Every team plays same number of games with top winning and bottom two going down in each division.
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Agree with you re the county players.  Club football in general carries on regardless in Down apart from this year when the season didnt really start until July.  Prior to that you were talking a game one week, maybe one the next, and then a 3 week break for no real reason.  Was extremely stop start.  However, in the main we work it alright.  For people to say the league doesnt matter is pure silly. When was the last time a team outside the top4 in the league won the championship?? The league matters until the championship finishes, at which stage, nothing matters really unless you have a league title to win.  I think the play offs are a good thing, but the procedures for getting them played have never been properly organised. 
I can understand Kilcoo not wanting to play this weekend, and Down Co Board are supporting them all the way so i wont criticise them for this but something has to be done so that the likes of Castlewellan in this instance dont have to wait 7-8 weeks on Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on October 25, 2013, 04:45:37 PM
Down Follower.....teams like Burren, Kilcoo & the bridge don't really care about the league. Its all about winning the Championship, end of story. If Burren end up winning the league and if you ask their players if they are happy with how their season went...I would say their answer would be no. Paddy Carr wasn't brought in to win a league title...he was brought it to win the Championship and even to win Ulster. End of story.

How bad is the standard of football going to be in Division 1 next year?  Take Glenn & Tullylish...no disrespect to both clubs but can you honestly say that these two teams have the players to be classified as a senior club in Down? I seen Tullylish play the Bosco in the Intermediate semi-final in Newry a few weeks ago and can honestly say that the standard of football was terrible. I feel both clubs will get hammered most weeks! What good is that to Down football?

The leagues should have stayed the way they were. 10 Teams in the 1st Division. I know it was the clubs that voted for the new structures to be put in place  but what good is it going to do for Down football? Most of the smaller clubs only voted for the changes so that they could say they are a 'Senior Club' . They might be a senior club by name but certainly not by quality!

Take Warrenpoint. They were by far the best Intermediate team in Down last year when they won the Intermediate Championship but couldn't hack it in the 1st Division this year! If they couldn't hack it how will Glen & Tullyish? I would classify the point as a far better team than either  Glenn or Tullyish. And I don't mean any disrespect when I'm saying this.

   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 25, 2013, 05:05:26 PM
Tullylish and Glenn are there next season on merit. And I would applaud any team for achieving likewise.
You might not intentionally mean any offence or disrespect but in my book ye couldn't have kicked them in the balls any harder had ye tried.

Also a lot of people seem to forget that Warrenpoint last year were lucky to finish 5th or 6th in the league standings. They performed when they had to and had an easier route to the championship final than others had in bygone years. They also scraped through against Bosco in a crap final. They also had an easy run in Ulster too until the final. not to dilute their 'achievements' but a dose of reality and sensible reasoning sometimes wouldn't go amiss.
Tullylish and Glenn will gladly have the county writing them off. They are up there now and the challenge is for them to get a few wins and get in amongst the lesser teams in Div1, The Rostrevors and Ballyhollands of this world. Out of interest who are the 'Senior Clubs' in terms of quality then in the county?
Kilcoo, Burren & Bryansford are out on their own in Down..the rest of teams in Div1 are well capable of beating each other any given day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on October 25, 2013, 11:28:34 PM
Shane Mulholland - nice guy - decent enough footballer - but if he plays the minors in the "keep ball" Ballyholland style we have seen recently, then we  are doomed to more years of waste in Down football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Buffer on October 26, 2013, 12:23:39 AM
Town Gael catch yourself on, championship winners to play league winners to represent ulster,sounds very desperate to try and get castlewellan back on the map.fair play to uz lot for having one good season,it's great what a new manager can do but as we have seen in the past with castlewellan that when the going gets tough they find it hard to consistantly perform year after year,I really find it hilarious what your proposing, if the town were in ulster I don't think they would be in any hurry to play an old league semi final,league football is a mere platform to championship football,a lesson I think you should learn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 26, 2013, 12:32:33 AM
Well fellas, has anyone else seen or heard anything regarding reported disappearance of Seamus O'Hanlon from Kilcoo. Word on facebook and destination Newry that he has been reported missing since last night and his family are very worried.

last seen in a Red Citroën Berlingo VBZ 6007. Possibly last seen in Newry/border area this morning at 12.30am.

Just highlighting it to put word out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 26, 2013, 09:27:58 AM
I saw that on Facebook about that man going missing is there anymore word in him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 26, 2013, 10:00:58 AM
The missing person is not Seamus OHanlon just to get that straight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 26, 2013, 09:46:49 PM
Poacher is taking Ballyholland next year by all accounts.  Some tube was on here during the week, his posts have been removed since, where he stated that Poacher was going to Annaclone.  This leaves Shane Mulholland going with the Minors.

Quote from: Leo on October 25, 2013, 11:28:34 PM
Shane Mulholland - nice guy - decent enough footballer - but if he plays the minors in the "keep ball" Ballyholland style we have seen recently, then we  are doomed to more years of waste in Down football

This would be my one big concern with Shane going to the Minors.  He comes across as a decent individual and will probably communicate with the lads on better level than Pete but his method of play would concern me having seen the way he has set up Ballyholland to play.  We need a a unilateral method of football in Down, starting at Minors and all the way through to Seniors, where we all play the same way.  Tyrone seem to do this judging by their Minors this year but where are we in this regard?  Who is there to co ordinate this?  Another example of the Down Way?  Its about time we started thinking about this as not about individual teams but a collective way of playing football.

Quote from: downjim on October 23, 2013, 01:07:01 PM
Can anyone shed light if both managers on Sunday were on win bonuses for winning the championship
It is a well known fact that Mc Corry has always had this clause in his 'contract' with any club he manages.  He, apparently, got so much bad press about this in the 'bridge that he ended up giving a few thousand to the Hospice rather than taking it himself.  This is the sums we are talking about.  I can't see it being any different with Kilcoo and, apparently, if all reports are correct Dawson is also on a performance related deal with Bryansford which will earn him a bonus of £3000 for winning the league and £5000 for winning the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 26, 2013, 11:20:58 PM
Quote
This would be my one big concern with Shane going to the Minors.  He comes across as a decent individual and will probably communicate with the lads on better level than Pete but his method of play would concern me having seen the way he has set up Ballyholland to play.  We need a a unilateral method of football in Down, starting at Minors and all the way through to Seniors, where we all play the same way.  Tyrone seem to do this judging by their Minors this year but where are we in this regard?  Who is there to co ordinate this?  Another example of the Down Way?  Its about time we started thinking about this as not about individual teams but a collective way of playing football.



1. It doesn't matter how good your tactics are, how well drilled and brainwashed your players are, you WILL NOT WIN TROPHIES unless you have a handful of exceptional players who can make your defensive tactics both work and pay. This is the golden rule of Gaelic football.

2. But any team in the country CAN ONLY BENEFIT and are MORE LIKELY TO ACHIEVE THEIR MAXIMUM POTENTIAL from their core of players working to an agreed system. In an agreed and understood system, your better players should shine, as it will be devised to minimise their potential to be marginalised.

You adjust you tactics according to your team's potential. And indeed, even to their physical abilities  - for example if you happen to have access to 6 x 6' 2", 14 stone athletes, then you can eschew creativity in favour of power.

Anyone who is sitting wondering whether Mulholland will employ defensive tactics needs to bear these things in mind. We can talk all day about how the county should have one template for success that runs through all teams, but in truth the level of defensive emphasis required by a team is 100% dependent on its individual abilities.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 26, 2013, 11:35:14 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 26, 2013, 11:20:58 PM
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This would be my one big concern with Shane going to the Minors.  He comes across as a decent individual and will probably communicate with the lads on better level than Pete but his method of play would concern me having seen the way he has set up Ballyholland to play.  We need a a unilateral method of football in Down, starting at Minors and all the way through to Seniors, where we all play the same way.  Tyrone seem to do this judging by their Minors this year but where are we in this regard?  Who is there to co ordinate this?  Another example of the Down Way?  Its about time we started thinking about this as not about individual teams but a collective way of playing football.



1. It doesn't matter how good your tactics are, how well drilled and brainwashed your players are, you WILL NOT WIN TROPHIES unless you have a handful of exceptional players who can make your defensive tactics both work and pay. This is the golden rule of Gaelic football.

2. But any team in the country CAN ONLY BENEFIT and are MORE LIKELY TO ACHIEVE THEIR MAXIMUM POTENTIAL from their core of players working to an agreed system. In an agreed and understood system, your better players should shine, as it will be devised to minimise their potential to be marginalised.

You adjust you tactics according to your team's potential. And indeed, even to their physical abilities  - for example if you happen to have access to 6 x 6' 2", 14 stone athletes, then you can eschew creativity in favour of power.

Anyone who is sitting wondering whether Mulholland will employ defensive tactics needs to bear these things in mind. We can talk all day about how the county should have one template for success that runs through all teams, but in truth the level of defensive emphasis required by a team is 100% dependent on its individual abilities.

I would nearly think you were on the beer with all those CAPS LOCKS PHRASES you were trying to EMPHASISE.
Take a pint of water, go to bed and see how you feel tomorrow,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 26, 2013, 11:46:29 PM
I think I'll do that. But all the same it's MOST INTERESTING that you'd prefer to discuss letter cases than your original comments.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 26, 2013, 11:54:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 26, 2013, 11:46:29 PM
I think I'll do that. But all the same it's MOST INTERESTING that you'd prefer to discuss letter cases than your original comments.

Not a problem.  I'll reply to your post tomorrow when it will make more sense.  Codladh Samh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 31, 2013, 05:00:18 PM
Kilcoo v Cross - Who will take it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Buffer on October 31, 2013, 10:37:13 PM
Cross are I unstoppable form but I would ryt the magpies off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 01, 2013, 05:56:05 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on October 31, 2013, 05:00:18 PM
Kilcoo v Cross - Who will take it?
really think kilcoo have a great chance in this match. have them backed at 11/4. kilcoo will be looking to keep it tight going into the last 10mins and if they can I think they can nick it by a couple of points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigfrank on November 01, 2013, 06:09:07 PM
We keep saying teams will never get a better chance to beat cross but it nevers happens,but I think it will at some stage in ulster,wouldnt be surprised if its sunday,kilcoo showed great character to bounce back and win down again after huge win over burren,should be a cracker,also a big day for teeconnaught in the opening game,small club after winning there first down title I believe,they will be on a crest of a wave
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Buffer on November 03, 2013, 08:32:07 PM
Who cares about a stupid league match when there's serious football to be played
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 03, 2013, 11:13:10 PM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on November 03, 2013, 04:33:02 PM
That's the league put back again...

Who cares. Serious game and serious effort put in by our county champions today, league doesn't come in to it.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on November 04, 2013, 08:03:52 PM
drumgath put up a spirited display against  truagh to go down 2-10 to 0-10 at ballybay the gath;s supporters did their team proud and shamed those so-called supporters who attended esler park. against a team  first div. in all but name they nearly sprung a surprise.inspite of loosing their left full- back before the game started with an ankle injury they clawed their  way back in the second half to a 4point defecit when they lost a player with two yellows.lads we are proud of you [down intermediate champions] # UP THE GATH.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Diarrhoa Divil on November 05, 2013, 09:05:00 AM
Managerial merrygoround update.
Hearing that Declan Mussen taking Warrenpoint next year.
They change managers every year down there??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 06, 2013, 10:35:37 AM
Kilcoo Cross was one of the most physical games i have seen in some time.  Most of it genuine hard hitting that was given and taken fair and square without any complaints. Like any game there was always the odd dirty move but all in all a thoroughly enjoyable game.  Did Kilcoo miss the boat? I am still not sure.  I knew they would give Cross their fill of it in the first game but they shipped a lot of injuries in that game to vital players, Jerome Johnston, Anthony Devlin to name 2.  Dont know if Kilcoo can replace like for like the way Cross can.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on November 06, 2013, 12:18:19 PM
Cross definitely there for the taking, fully expect Kilcoo to progress now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 06, 2013, 12:19:53 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 06, 2013, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 06, 2013, 12:19:53 PM
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Good stuff Supersub....a great initiative and a very worthwhile event. I would encourage everyone to call down on Saturday night.

I should also point out that this is the programme cover hence the price.....it is £10 or €10 per ticket for the event. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 06, 2013, 01:02:22 PM
Yeah posted a pic of the ticket as well in the general thread when realised programme didn't have time and price! Gates open at 6pm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on November 06, 2013, 01:35:43 PM
Quote from: lucan on November 04, 2013, 08:03:52 PM
drumgath put up a spirited display against  truagh to go down 2-10 to 0-10 at ballybay the gath;s supporters did their team proud and shamed those so-called supporters who attended esler park. against a team  first div. in all but name they nearly sprung a surprise.inspite of loosing their left full- back before the game started with an ankle injury they clawed their  way back in the second half to a 4point defecit when they lost a player with two yellows.lads we are proud of you [down intermediate champions] # UP THE GATH.

Lucan, not taking away anything from Drumgath who are deservedly Intermediate champions, but the account I received of the game was that Truagh were extremely comfortable throughout.

Honestly, how well prepared were Drumgath for Ulster, I think in Down and Intermediate and Junior levels in Down, many clubs celebrate winning the county title a little too much and take their eye completely off the ball when they step into Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 06, 2013, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 06, 2013, 01:02:22 PM
Yeah posted a pic of the ticket as well in the general thread when realised programme didn't have time and price! Gates open at 6pm.

Just noticed that...good stuff!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 06, 2013, 06:44:35 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on November 06, 2013, 01:35:43 PM
Quote from: lucan on November 04, 2013, 08:03:52 PM
drumgath put up a spirited display against  truagh to go down 2-10 to 0-10 at ballybay the gath;s supporters did their team proud and shamed those so-called supporters who attended esler park. against a team  first div. in all but name they nearly sprung a surprise.inspite of loosing their left full- back before the game started with an ankle injury they clawed their  way back in the second half to a 4point defecit when they lost a player with two yellows.lads we are proud of you [down intermediate champions] # UP THE GATH.

Lucan, not taking away anything from Drumgath who are deservedly Intermediate champions, but the account I received of the game was that Truagh were extremely comfortable throughout.

Honestly, how well prepared were Drumgath for Ulster, I think in Down and Intermediate and Junior levels in Down, many clubs celebrate winning the county title a little too much and take their eye completely off the ball when they step into Ulster.

I've said it before but we have a terrible record at IFC and JFC level in Ulster. This has been a feature since the competition's official inception around a decade ago.

Warrenpoint broke the mould last year with their IFC final appearance as the trend before that for Down teams was generally first round exits.

Our record in the JFC is even worse. St Johns were the last team in this grade to even win a game when they beat Fermanagh's Coa in the quarter finals back in 2008. Correct me if im wrong but I think our only other win in the competition was a Bredagh victory over Donegal opposition in 2006 in the quarter finals.

The problem over the past ten years has been that our league and championship setup in Down was as honest as they come. We had four competitive divisions with championship grading based on your league position.

This was not and still isn't the case in some other counties. In Armagh, Cavan and Antrim you choose what Championship you want to compete in. Annaghmore will be playing Division 1 football in Armagh next year but yet they were in their counties' JFC this term. Lacken from Cavan finished fourth in Division 1 in the Breffni County last year yet they played in the IFC.

However, our poor representation on the provincial scene could change next year. I am a big critic of our new three division structure but one positive that has come out of it is that we are now more in line with most other Ulster counties in terms of quality at each grade.

Liatroim, Warrenpoint and An Riocht are three teams who would be ultra competitive at IFC level in Ulster while the likes of Kilclief would be one of the strongest JFC outfits about the province.

Our poor record was probably less to do with over celebration and more to do with the fact that we had 'proper' Junior and Intermediate teams entered at those grades compared to the representatives of other unbalanced counties.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 06, 2013, 07:54:00 PM
Id agree with you 100% there DF. What goes on in other counties particulary Armagh and Antrim is ridiculous. The Ulster Council should insist on consistent criteria for all counties for entry to these prestigious competitions.

I would still prefer to have the four divisions in Down though, we had a very competitive league system in place and the new system has too much of a gulf between each league and too many one sided games in each of the leagues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 06, 2013, 08:06:08 PM
Quote from: ardtole on November 06, 2013, 07:54:00 PM
Id agree with you 100% there DF. What goes on in other counties particulary Armagh and Antrim is ridiculous. The Ulster Council should insist on consistent criteria for all counties for entry to these prestigious competitions.

I would still prefer to have the four divisions in Down though, we had a very competitive league system in place and the new system has too much of a gulf between each league and too many one sided games in each of the leagues.

I can't speak about Antrim but Armagh are going to the same as Tyrone and Monaghan in regards to 3 Divisions with each one being Senior, Intermediate and Junior, though the Junior will have a Junior A + B league but they all play the one championship. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 06, 2013, 08:58:21 PM
I still think the Ulster Council should have set down a strict qualification criteria years ago. They didnt and it was abused. Hopefully things improve, better late than never.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 06, 2013, 10:00:46 PM
Liatroim, Warrenpoint and An Riocht are three teams who would be ultra competitive at IFC level in Ulster while the likes of Kilclief would be one of the strongest JFC outfits about the province.

DF, agree with all you say except about Kilclief. The IFC win a couple of years ago was a last hurrah. The team has been decimated with retirement, emigration and one transfer! Squad size has been 16/17 over the last couple of years. There have been very few players coming from the juvenile set up over the last 10 years also. The current 16's and 14's look promising but I fear it's gonna be a long barren next few years and the main challenge is to merely keep the club going in the meantime.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 06, 2013, 10:27:50 PM
Quote from: No1 on November 06, 2013, 10:00:46 PM
Liatroim, Warrenpoint and An Riocht are three teams who would be ultra competitive at IFC level in Ulster while the likes of Kilclief would be one of the strongest JFC outfits about the province.

DF, agree with all you say except about Kilclief. The IFC win a couple of years ago was a last hurrah. The team has been decimated with retirement, emigration and one transfer! Squad size has been 16/17 over the last couple of years. There have been very few players coming from the juvenile set up over the last 10 years also. The current 16's and 14's look promising but I fear it's gonna be a long barren next few years and the main challenge is to merely keep the club going in the meantime.

Looking at some of your Championship results last year (beating Tullylish+Atticall) and the quality of the likes of Ciaran Sloan, Ricky Kerr and Fintan Conway etc coupled with the relatively poor standard of Division 3, I'd still say that you have the potential to be a major force at Junior level next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on November 08, 2013, 12:54:26 PM
Down Fanatic, bit early for mind games at this stage ahead of next year is it not? :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 08, 2013, 05:08:06 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on November 08, 2013, 12:54:26 PM
Down Fanatic, bit early for mind games at this stage ahead of next year is it not? :P

;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on November 08, 2013, 08:44:28 PM
i I can assure -15 that over celebrations was not a factor in drumgaths defeat to truagh. Have you taken into account that truagh had been a first div team up to this year .PERHAPS you should have gone and watched it yourself tobe better informed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on November 08, 2013, 09:28:55 PM
Thanks Lucan, you have answered my question, which was to ask how well prepared Drumgath were. As I said originally, I am not getting at Drumgath at all. I am fully aware of Truagh's recent history and their placing in Monaghan football. You had said that Drumgath nearly sprung a surprise, but by all accounts that was nowhere near the case. I didn't need to attend the game to know that.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 10, 2013, 11:27:09 PM
Congratulation Kilcoo with a fantastic result today, Ballinderry will be a tough one next Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on November 11, 2013, 10:29:52 PM
minus 15 .since you were not in ballybay i;ll give you some background. at half -time the gath were down 7 points. they reduced the defecit to 4 points and had truagh rattled.they missed a goal chance which rebounded of the cross- bar and shortly after had a player dispatched with 2 yellows.now i;m sure u know what happened to kilcoo when they had a man sent off.cross regained the iniative and destroyed a kilcoo lead of 7 points.now that was a crucial part of the game for the gath. now why u persist with your argument only u know.perhaps your source should have given u more detail.is 15 against 14 not significant.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on November 12, 2013, 02:11:04 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 06, 2013, 06:44:35 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on November 06, 2013, 01:35:43 PM
Quote from: lucan on November 04, 2013, 08:03:52 PM
drumgath put up a spirited display against  truagh to go down 2-10 to 0-10 at ballybay the gath;s supporters did their team proud and shamed those so-called supporters who attended esler park. against a team  first div. in all but name they nearly sprung a surprise.inspite of loosing their left full- back before the game started with an ankle injury they clawed their  way back in the second half to a 4point defecit when they lost a player with two yellows.lads we are proud of you [down intermediate champions] # UP THE GATH.

Lucan, not taking away anything from Drumgath who are deservedly Intermediate champions, but the account I received of the game was that Truagh were extremely comfortable throughout.

Honestly, how well prepared were Drumgath for Ulster, I think in Down and Intermediate and Junior levels in Down, many clubs celebrate winning the county title a little too much and take their eye completely off the ball when they step into Ulster.

I've said it before but we have a terrible record at IFC and JFC level in Ulster. This has been a feature since the competition's official inception around a decade ago.

Warrenpoint broke the mould last year with their IFC final appearance as the trend before that for Down teams was generally first round exits.

Our record in the JFC is even worse. St Johns were the last team in this grade to even win a game when they beat Fermanagh's Coa in the quarter finals back in 2008. Correct me if im wrong but I think our only other win in the competition was a Bredagh victory over Donegal opposition in 2006 in the quarter finals.

The problem over the past ten years has been that our league and championship setup in Down was as honest as they come. We had four competitive divisions with championship grading based on your league position.

This was not and still isn't the case in some other counties. In Armagh, Cavan and Antrim you choose what Championship you want to compete in. Annaghmore will be playing Division 1 football in Armagh next year but yet they were in their counties' JFC this term. Lacken from Cavan finished fourth in Division 1 in the Breffni County last year yet they played in the IFC.

However, our poor representation on the provincial scene could change next year. I am a big critic of our new three division structure but one positive that has come out of it is that we are now more in line with most other Ulster counties in terms of quality at each grade.

Liatroim, Warrenpoint and An Riocht are three teams who would be ultra competitive at IFC level in Ulster while the likes of Kilclief would be one of the strongest JFC outfits about the province.

Our poor record was probably less to do with over celebration and more to do with the fact that we had 'proper' Junior and Intermediate teams entered at those grades compared to the representatives of other unbalanced counties.


Annaghmore were in the IFC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Corner Forward on November 12, 2013, 07:54:28 AM
Quote from: our_fella on November 12, 2013, 02:11:04 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 06, 2013, 06:44:35 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on November 06, 2013, 01:35:43 PM
Quote from: lucan on November 04, 2013, 08:03:52 PM
drumgath put up a spirited display against  truagh to go down 2-10 to 0-10 at ballybay the gath;s supporters did their team proud and shamed those so-called supporters who attended esler park. against a team  first div. in all but name they nearly sprung a surprise.inspite of loosing their left full- back before the game started with an ankle injury they clawed their  way back in the second half to a 4point defecit when they lost a player with two yellows.lads we are proud of you [down intermediate champions] # UP THE GATH.

Lucan, not taking away anything from Drumgath who are deservedly Intermediate champions, but the account I received of the game was that Truagh were extremely comfortable throughout.

Honestly, how well prepared were Drumgath for Ulster, I think in Down and Intermediate and Junior levels in Down, many clubs celebrate winning the county title a little too much and take their eye completely off the ball when they step into Ulster.

I've said it before but we have a terrible record at IFC and JFC level in Ulster. This has been a feature since the competition's official inception around a decade ago.

Warrenpoint broke the mould last year with their IFC final appearance as the trend before that for Down teams was generally first round exits.

Our record in the JFC is even worse. St Johns were the last team in this grade to even win a game when they beat Fermanagh's Coa in the quarter finals back in 2008. Correct me if im wrong but I think our only other win in the competition was a Bredagh victory over Donegal opposition in 2006 in the quarter finals.

The problem over the past ten years has been that our league and championship setup in Down was as honest as they come. We had four competitive divisions with championship grading based on your league position.

This was not and still isn't the case in some other counties. In Armagh, Cavan and Antrim you choose what Championship you want to compete in. Annaghmore will be playing Division 1 football in Armagh next year but yet they were in their counties' JFC this term. Lacken from Cavan finished fourth in Division 1 in the Breffni County last year yet they played in the IFC.

However, our poor representation on the provincial scene could change next year. I am a big critic of our new three division structure but one positive that has come out of it is that we are now more in line with most other Ulster counties in terms of quality at each grade.

Liatroim, Warrenpoint and An Riocht are three teams who would be ultra competitive at IFC level in Ulster while the likes of Kilclief would be one of the strongest JFC outfits about the province.

Our poor record was probably less to do with over celebration and more to do with the fact that we had 'proper' Junior and Intermediate teams entered at those grades compared to the representatives of other unbalanced counties.


Annaghmore were in the IFC

Annaghmore were in the JFC, they beat their neighbours Clonmore in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 13, 2013, 01:56:43 AM
Lack of posts on here about Kilcoo is very surprising.
Our representatives in the only meaningful competition ongoing seem to have the apathy of Down  GAA supporter - maybe even antipathy - strange!


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 13, 2013, 10:17:18 AM
Quote from: Leo on November 13, 2013, 01:56:43 AM
Lack of posts on here about Kilcoo is very surprising.
Our representatives in the only meaningful competition ongoing seem to have the apathy of Down  GAA supporter - maybe even antipathy - strange!

Maybe on here Leo but I was surprised by the huge amount of neutral Down people from other clubs I saw at the last two matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 13, 2013, 10:40:48 AM
Quote from: Leo on November 13, 2013, 01:56:43 AM
Lack of posts on here about Kilcoo is very surprising.
Our representatives in the only meaningful competition ongoing seem to have the apathy of Down  GAA supporter - maybe even antipathy - strange!

In fairness the match took up the most posts in the main page re the Ulster Club with a number of comments from Down people.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Confused on November 13, 2013, 11:44:58 AM
Every person I have spoken to has nothing but praise for the kilcoo team. Admiration in fact. Think people. The "them verses us" no longer applies to the magpies.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 13, 2013, 12:18:26 PM
Match thread full of comments from ones on here!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on November 13, 2013, 08:23:18 PM
Mc Kenna cup only few months away, which new players do you think will involved next season?  Timmy Hanna worth another look?  Surely Ryan Johnson and Darragh O'Hanlon will be considered too after Kilcoo's impressive seasons finishes.  (Hopefully 17th March)  any others?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Feckitt on November 13, 2013, 08:42:37 PM
Quote from: Leo on November 13, 2013, 01:56:43 AM
Lack of posts on here about Kilcoo is very surprising.
Our representatives in the only meaningful competition ongoing seem to have the apathy of Down  GAA supporter - maybe even antipathy - strange!

How could there be apathy surrounding Kilcoo when there were almost 10,000 people at the match.  That tells you more than the amount of people who would post on this thread.

As an Armagh man, can I ask if Kilcoo are traditionally regarded as a big club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 13, 2013, 08:55:27 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on November 13, 2013, 08:42:37 PM
Quote from: Leo on November 13, 2013, 01:56:43 AM
Lack of posts on here about Kilcoo is very surprising.
Our representatives in the only meaningful competition ongoing seem to have the apathy of Down  GAA supporter - maybe even antipathy - strange!

How could there be apathy surrounding Kilcoo when there were almost 10,000 people at the match.  That tells you more than the amount of people who would post on this thread.

As an Armagh man, can I ask if Kilcoo are traditionally regarded as a big club?

Yes but moreso in the past fifteen years or so due to their phenomenal underage record and the rise of their Senior team from Division 3 league football to Ulster SFC finallists.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on November 14, 2013, 11:10:05 AM
DownFanatic, not sure I agree with you. It depends on what makes you a big club. If it is success then yes Kilcoo are a big club in Down. But in terms of resources Shamrocks (to name one) are a much bigger club with much less recent success.

I would say Kilcoo are a small country club. And that is meant with the absolute greatest of respect and meant to be a compliment. They have achieved far more than much (bigger!!) better resourced clubs in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on November 14, 2013, 05:24:22 PM
unfortunately pauld123 being a big club is about NOW and shamrocks are not near NOW at this time .hopefully their underage teams will progress and bring greater success.what has brought success to kilcoo primarily is the fact that even the sheep eat drink and sleep GAA and talented management.they have no distractions such as socer which i am told by mitchels bosco and shamrocks supporters adversley affect them every season. for now lets not define greatness. rather lets  support KILCOO to the hilt.[up the magpies]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on November 17, 2013, 09:36:19 AM
Good luck to Kilcoo today UPM!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 17, 2013, 09:05:59 PM
It sounds as though the additional game last week, and the extra time, left Kilcoo drained today, but the result still means it is 25 years since one of our clubs won a senior Ulster title. By next summer, it will also be 20 years since Down last won a provincial championship. We are 14/1 for the Anglo-Celt with Paddy Power, leaving us at seventh in the overall betting. It is going to take a huge effort to get Down football back to where it should be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 18, 2013, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 17, 2013, 09:05:59 PM
It sounds as though the additional game last week, and the extra time, left Kilcoo drained today, but the result still means it is 25 years since one of our clubs won a senior Ulster title. By next summer, it will also be 20 years since Down last won a provincial championship. We are 14/1 for the Anglo-Celt with Paddy Power, leaving us at seventh in the overall betting. It is going to take a huge effort to get Down football back to where it should be.

Its will also only be 4 years since we were a kick of a ball from an All Ireland title.  Things are never as far away as they seem.  A bit of luck, one or two new players and all of a sudden we are flying again.  James showed as manager of Queens that he is willing to keep going to make that breakthrough.  Hopefully he will get it with Down pretty soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on November 19, 2013, 04:52:01 PM
Any new additions to the panel ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 24, 2013, 05:10:27 PM
Warrenpoint won the county U-20 title today with relative ease against a very poor Burren team.

The Point were superb throughout limiting Burren to one score from play. Eight points was the difference in the end.

Ciaran McCartan at 6 for the Point is a future county defender while Donagh McAleenan, James Grant and Caolan McLoughlin all starred for the winners as well.

Burren's main men Gerard McGovern and Shay McArdle were quiet. The former getting sent off near the end and the latter failing to get on the scoreboard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 24, 2013, 07:51:02 PM
No disrespect to CPN or whatever their name is at the minute but that was the worst run U20 competition in years. There was too many teams not fielding and a really poor standard.It should stay at u21. The county selectors should know who is underage.This has proven to be more important to clubs than minor football in recent years yet our county board go and change it again.
Good luck to CPN/ Warrenpoint/the club formerly known as St Peter's. We hope to see you back up in 2014.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on November 24, 2013, 09:17:38 PM
Fairplay to CPN  .I couldn't see past Burren but in the end after senior defeat Burren really didn't care too much about this competition .CPN needed this victory more than Burren and hopefully they can go represent us well in Ulster. Why  has Down under 20 when all other championships in Ulster that qualify for Creggan are u21 ?Insane as far as anyone could see ,who made this decision ? Joke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leo on November 24, 2013, 10:00:30 PM
In an era where the GAA strives to cement the "community" aspect of club activity the rebranding of a club always known as Warrenpoint or "The Point" with its close identification with its geographical area to some abridged version of a combined Irish Language / Catholic Parish strikes me as being the very opposite of that inclusive type of idreal and ther is a touch of marketing silliness about it. Many Point people I've encountered believe it stands for "Can't Pronounce the Name"! And every single jubilant Point person I have met tonight is rightly celebrating the clearly identifiable victory of Warrenpoint U20 over geat rivals Burren (or CMN as some might possibly dub them). Well done the Point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 25, 2013, 08:58:22 AM
Ye have to laugh sometimes.
The 'Point only won yesterday because Burren weren't interested or the competition is as badly run as it has been in years,or the clubs all treat it with disdain or too many teams didn't field or its the county board's fault. Sure Burren never really wanted to play, they weren't interested, they just showed up to fulfil the fixture and avoid the fine. ::)

If that game was played another 10 times the result would be the same 8 out of ten times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on November 25, 2013, 10:26:11 AM
Can CPN players that qualify for U21 now come on board for Ulster?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on November 25, 2013, 11:48:59 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 25, 2013, 08:58:22 AM
Ye have to laugh sometimes.
The 'Point only won yesterday because Burren weren't interested or the competition is as badly run as it has been in years,or the clubs all treat it with disdain or too many teams didn't field or its the county board's fault. Sure Burren never really wanted to play, they weren't interested, they just showed up to fulfil the fixture and avoid the fine. ::)

If that game was played another 10 times the result would be the same 10 out of ten times.
Great to see that teams don't fear Burren anymore. If the group of lads playing for Burren yesterday is the best they have coming through their ranks then they have problems ahead. Warrenpoint should have won by more. Shame  about the handbag stuff at the end of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on November 25, 2013, 12:19:21 PM
CPN deserved the win yesterday , Burren didn't show up , complacency and posssibly a few eyes were on Ulster and who they would get back for that campaign .But Burren with the history it has will progress on , 2013 was a funny year for Burren -championship was won with 1 minute to go and Kilcoo got a few flukey scores at the end and Kevin McKernan not being 100 percent . 2014 I wouldn't back against Burren .Kilcoo got a lucky title this year but with the talent coming through Burren are by the far the strongest squad in the county and with a big number on the county panel these lads will progress even more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 25, 2013, 12:31:54 PM
Are ye wise in the head? Talent will get you so far. If you haven't the middle for it as Burren clearly hadn't this year then you can forget about championships.
I think its time a few of those Burren players took down the posters from the walls and put their scrapbooks away and look at how they contributed this year. Can I ask why Kevin McKernan wasn't 100%, what does that statement even mean. Was he hurt, carrying an injury of some sort?
Burren have had the strongest squad in Down for numerous seasons now and an extraordinarily high representatives on county panels yet it hasn't yielded the domestic trophies it 'should'. It would maybe do their club no harm if there weren't so many of them county panellists.
As for History, blow it out yer arse. History nothing, ye create your own history.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 25, 2013, 04:38:37 PM
Quote from: Courtney on November 25, 2013, 12:19:21 PM
CPN deserved the win yesterday , Burren didn't show up , complacency and posssibly a few eyes were on Ulster and who they would get back for that campaign .But Burren with the history it has will progress on , 2013 was a funny year for Burren -championship was won with 1 minute to go and Kilcoo got a few flukey scores at the end and Kevin McKernan not being 100 percent . 2014 I wouldn't back against Burren .Kilcoo got a lucky title this year but with the talent coming through Burren are by the far the strongest squad in the county and with a big number on the county panel these lads will progress even more.

Catch a grip. It was far from lucky, Burren never did enough in the county final to pull away, it was always tight. They were beaten by Bryansford and Kilcoo in the championship this year, they (Burren) are hardly world beaters.

Suppose they were lucky to beat Cross too over two games complete with extra time on both occasions?


Also I see you posted this in another thread before the U20 final:
"Burren look like strong favourites given their championship pedigree,CPN just might be a year or two  too soon.Donnach McAleenan and Ryan Magee still young though great talents and a steady keeper with McCartan in the middle but I think the match up between Magee and Shay McArdle could be interesting but Burren to shade it.Gerard McGovern developing into a serious player ,this Burren team will not be beaten."

Doing an awful lot of trumpet blowing for a club that won very little this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Diarrhoa Divil on November 25, 2013, 05:07:24 PM
Technically speaking it wasn't a total wipe out for Burren this year.
Miceal Magill's all conquering U14 side won the All Ireland feile and the Down championship too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on November 25, 2013, 05:31:58 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 25, 2013, 04:38:37 PM
Quote from: Courtney on November 25, 2013, 12:19:21 PM
CPN deserved the win yesterday , Burren didn't show up , complacency and posssibly a few eyes were on Ulster and who they would get back for that campaign .But Burren with the history it has will progress on , 2013 was a funny year for Burren -championship was won with 1 minute to go and Kilcoo got a few flukey scores at the end and Kevin McKernan not being 100 percent . 2014 I wouldn't back against Burren .Kilcoo got a lucky title this year but with the talent coming through Burren are by the far the strongest squad in the county and with a big number on the county panel these lads will progress even more.



Catch a grip. It was far from lucky, Burren never did enough in the county final to pull away, it was always tight. They were beaten by Bryansford and Kilcoo in the championship this year, they (Burren) are hardly world beaters.

Suppose they were lucky to beat Cross too over two games complete with extra time on both occasions?


Also I see you posted this in another thread before the U20 final:
"Burren look like strong favourites given their championship pedigree,CPN just might be a year or two  too soon.Donnach McAleenan and Ryan Magee still young though great talents and a steady keeper with McCartan in the middle but I think the match up between Magee and Shay McArdle could be interesting but Burren to shade it.Gerard McGovern developing into a serious player ,this Burren team will not be beaten."

Doing an awful lot of trumpet blowing for a club that won very little this year.

Supersub I am not sure what club you are actually from but you most definitely are a soccer man so I'll take no lectures from you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 27, 2013, 09:18:14 PM
kilcoo beat burren easily enough in the div1 league semi final tonight. 3-16 to 2-9. 2 goals for Jerome Johnson and 1 for paul devlin for kilcoo, donal O'Hare scored both burren goals. kilcoo play castlewellan next sunday in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on November 27, 2013, 10:34:05 PM
Match tonight waste of time ,Burren don't really do Leagues and the body language of the players said that.As much as I hate to compliment Kilcoo they moved the ball well and Jerome Johnston hit a fantastic goal.
Playing League Football at end of November really isn't The Buren Way -that was obvious tonight.
One team happy to play for Leagues against a team really only interested in Championships , waste of time play the League as a League top team wins it .
Kilcoo v Castlewellan will be a typical ill tempered nasty East Down game ,I hope The CCC videos it with at least 5 camera angles .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on November 27, 2013, 10:49:48 PM
Quote from: The Diarrhoa Divil on November 25, 2013, 05:07:24 PM
Technically speaking it wasn't a total wipe out for Burren this year.
Miceal Magill's all conquering U14 side won the All Ireland feile and the Down championship too.
They won the All-Ireland B grade feile final; still a decent achievement
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on November 27, 2013, 11:08:35 PM
Quote from: Courtney on November 27, 2013, 10:34:05 PM
Match tonight waste of time ,Burren don't really do Leagues and the body language of the players said that.As much as I hate to compliment Kilcoo they moved the ball well and Jerome Johnston hit a fantastic goal.
Playing League Football at end of November really isn't The Buren Way -that was obvious tonight.
One team happy to play for Leagues against a team really only interested in Championships , waste of time play the League as a League top team wins it .
Kilcoo v Castlewellan will be a typical ill tempered nasty East Down game ,I hope The CCC videos it with at least 5 camera angles .

In fairness Burren haven't really done much all year so expecting them to show a bit of guts and fight on a November night was asking alot. I'm not sure what the 'Burren way' is but all I know is that if players at that level who go out to play can't go out and play for the jersey disregarding if it's league/championship/challenge match etc. then there must be a serious attitude problem with the players/management in that club. Ofcourse I'm only basing that on your comments and perhaps Burren where simply beat by a better team on the night. You can only judge teams on silverware. Burren won nothing the year. Kilcoo the championship and have a shot at the league along with Castlewellan although I agree the top team in league should win it with no need for play offs. Hopefully both teams give it there all in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 27, 2013, 11:20:39 PM
Quote from: Courtney on November 27, 2013, 10:34:05 PM
Match tonight waste of time ,Burren don't really do Leagues and the body language of the players said that.As much as I hate to compliment Kilcoo they moved the ball well and Jerome Johnston hit a fantastic goal.
Playing League Football at end of November really isn't The Buren Way -that was obvious tonight.
One team happy to play for Leagues against a team really only interested in Championships , waste of time play the League as a League top team wins it .
Kilcoo v Castlewellan will be a typical ill tempered nasty East Down game ,I hope The CCC videos it with at least 5 camera angles .
What a pile of pure dung you just came out with. Kilcoo played Burren of the park, end off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on November 28, 2013, 01:08:36 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 27, 2013, 11:20:39 PM
Quote from: Courtney on November 27, 2013, 10:34:05 PM
Match tonight waste of time ,Burren don't really do Leagues and the body language of the players said that.As much as I hate to compliment Kilcoo they moved the ball well and Jerome Johnston hit a fantastic goal.
Playing League Football at end of November really isn't The Buren Way -that was obvious tonight.
One team happy to play for Leagues against a team really only interested in Championships , waste of time play the League as a League top team wins it .
Kilcoo v Castlewellan will be a typical ill tempered nasty East Down game ,I hope The CCC videos it with at least 5 camera angles .
What a pile of pure dung you just came out with. Kilcoo played Burren of the park, end off.

Burren were trying hard enough, but Kilcoo were simply a far better team and should have won by far more. They aren't a big team, but their support play is superb and every player is comfortable on the ball.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on November 28, 2013, 09:57:08 AM
A team that plays for leagues and one that plays for championships?  Havent Kilcoo won the last two Down SFC Titles?  Confusing statement!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 28, 2013, 11:07:39 AM
This guy is definitely a WUM. Such speak.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 28, 2013, 11:34:50 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 28, 2013, 11:07:39 AM
This guy is definitely a WUM. Such speak.

downjim under a new name. same oul shite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on November 28, 2013, 11:40:13 AM
The point being made here is Burren as a club don't view League success as a priority and championship is all that matters .Playing League in November really doesn't matter and championship in last 2 years has been missed but this year in reality was a very unlucky one stole by Kilcoo in last few minutes.
Tradition in Burren means championship loss = failure and league doesn't matter.Other clubs need League success to help create that tradition that is my point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on November 28, 2013, 02:52:13 PM
Quote from: Courtney on November 28, 2013, 11:40:13 AM
The point being made here is Burren as a club don't view League success as a priority and championship is all that matters .Playing League in November really doesn't matter and championship in last 2 years has been missed but this year in reality was a very unlucky one stole by Kilcoo in last few minutes.

Stole implies that it was rightfully Burren's to begin with and that Kilcoo took it unfairly. Perhaps you could rephrase that as Kilcoo earned/deserved/secured/prevailed/merited victory in the last few minutes. Choose any word you think suitable, but maybe don't imply Kilcoo took something that belonged to someone else, that they deprived the rightful owner of it. That is just a touch arrogant don't you think?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on November 28, 2013, 03:18:10 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on November 28, 2013, 02:52:13 PM
Quote from: Courtney on November 28, 2013, 11:40:13 AM
The point being made here is Burren as a club don't view League success as a priority and championship is all that matters .Playing League in November really doesn't matter and championship in last 2 years has been missed but this year in reality was a very unlucky one stole by Kilcoo in last few minutes.

Stole implies that it was rightfully Burren's to begin with and that Kilcoo took it unfairly. Perhaps you could rephrase that as Kilcoo earned/deserved/secured/prevailed/merited victory in the last few minutes. Choose any word you think suitable, but maybe don't imply Kilcoo took something that belonged to someone else, that they deprived the rightful owner of it. That is just a touch arrogant don't you think?
I agree PAULD123 a bit arrogant, think Burren are having a problem accepting the fact that they're not the top club in Down anymore ( except U14's )
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Confused on November 28, 2013, 05:09:49 PM
Courtney, what a load of tripe. If there was any doubt about championship final result( which there shouldn't be) this has just confirmed kilcoo are better than burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 29, 2013, 01:27:52 AM
We were missing about six regulars last night. Kilcoo were far fitter and looked good at times but that's the first time this year they played any expansive football. The last two championships were Won with dour defensive displays. When I remember great championships teams I think of Byransford in the seventies. Burren in the 80s and the Bridge in the 90s and 2000s.these teams played attractive football and not the crap we see today. Will any of these players break into the Down team?? Kilcoo would not be a club which has gave our county many greats over the years tbh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on November 29, 2013, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: downjim on November 29, 2013, 01:27:52 AM
We were missing about six regulars last night. Kilcoo were far fitter and looked good at times but that's the first time this year they played any expansive football. The last two championships were Won with dour defensive displays. When I remember great championships teams I think of Byransford in the seventies. Burren in the 80s and the Bridge in the 90s and 2000s.these teams played attractive football and not the crap we see today. Will any of these players break into the Down team?? Kilcoo would not be a club which has gave our county many greats over the years tbh

Conor Laverty has probably been Down's best player for the last two years. As for the rest of the team, their best players are fairly young but Darragh O'Hanlon, Paul Devlin, Ryan Johnston, Jerome Johnston, and Niall McEvoy are all good enough to play for the county and will probably be in the panel this year.

Having said that there is no denying Burren have some terrific individuals - O'Hare, McCardle, McKernan, Rooney to name a few.

But Downjim you miss the point. It is not a debate on who has the better players, it was who had the better team, who worked better together and who got the best performance out of their resources and strategy. Kilcoo deserved to win the last two championships. I objected to the word "stole". Kilcoo stole nothing they earned their victories. Just because their football is dogged more than sublime does not mean they are not the better team or that they don't deserve  a victory.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 29, 2013, 08:58:28 AM
Doesn't matter one iota a f**k.
They have put back to back senior championships together and are the strongest side in Down at present.
They deserve respect at least for that, but I suppose your arrogance and lack of humility wouldn't let you see that.
The challenge for other teams in Down is to get to their level and right now Burren aren't at that level.
Its not too long ago Kilcoo were in lower divisions and to come as far as they have within the last 15 years is a fantastic feat for a small community.
A measure of respect wouldn't go amiss.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 29, 2013, 11:34:58 AM
Quote from: Courtney on November 25, 2013, 05:31:58 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 25, 2013, 04:38:37 PM
Quote from: Courtney on November 25, 2013, 12:19:21 PM
CPN deserved the win yesterday , Burren didn't show up , complacency and posssibly a few eyes were on Ulster and who they would get back for that campaign .But Burren with the history it has will progress on , 2013 was a funny year for Burren -championship was won with 1 minute to go and Kilcoo got a few flukey scores at the end and Kevin McKernan not being 100 percent . 2014 I wouldn't back against Burren .Kilcoo got a lucky title this year but with the talent coming through Burren are by the far the strongest squad in the county and with a big number on the county panel these lads will progress even more.



Catch a grip. It was far from lucky, Burren never did enough in the county final to pull away, it was always tight. They were beaten by Bryansford and Kilcoo in the championship this year, they (Burren) are hardly world beaters.

Suppose they were lucky to beat Cross too over two games complete with extra time on both occasions?


Also I see you posted this in another thread before the U20 final:
"Burren look like strong favourites given their championship pedigree,CPN just might be a year or two  too soon.Donnach McAleenan and Ryan Magee still young though great talents and a steady keeper with McCartan in the middle but I think the match up between Magee and Shay McArdle could be interesting but Burren to shade it.Gerard McGovern developing into a serious player ,this Burren team will not be beaten."

Doing an awful lot of trumpet blowing for a club that won very little this year.

Supersub I am not sure what club you are actually from but you most definitely are a soccer man so I'll take no lectures from you.

How could you possibly make such a statement, and what defines a 'soccer man'? Played and been involved in gaelic my whole life, you sir are a WUM and an idiot. Don't think the issue is of what club I am from, it most definitely is the fact that you are not from Burren. A true Burren person would be embarrassed of some of the tripe you have come out with in your handful of posts. Another downjim surely, not fooling anyone chap.

And also everyone knows where I'm from as in here there aren't too many from each club, not sure how you can be confused, have been on the board a long time and no doubt you have too under a different guise. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on November 29, 2013, 12:58:54 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 29, 2013, 08:58:28 AM
Doesn't matter one iota a f**k.
They have put back to back senior championships together and are the strongest side in Down at present.
They deserve respect at least for that, but I suppose your arrogance and lack of humility wouldn't let you see that.
The challenge for other teams in Down is to get to their level and right now Burren aren't at that level.
Its not too long ago Kilcoo were in lower divisions and to come as far as they have within the last 15 years is a fantastic feat for a small community.
A measure of respect wouldn't go amiss.

Nail on head.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on November 30, 2013, 12:19:34 AM
Quote from: downjim on November 29, 2013, 01:27:52 AM
We were missing about six regulars last night. Kilcoo were far fitter and looked good at times but that's the first time this year they played any expansive football. The last two championships were Won with dour defensive displays. When I remember great championships teams I think of Byransford in the seventies. Burren in the 80s and the Bridge in the 90s and 2000s.these teams played attractive football and not the crap we see today. Will any of these players break into the Down team?? Kilcoo would not be a club which has gave our county many greats over the years tbh
Kilcoo were missing a few players also, Felim McGreevy, Daryl Brannigan, Anthony Devlin, Sean Devlin, Aaron Branigan....
Anyhow, wouldn't have mattered, Burren never looked like winning and could have easily had another 3 players red carded.
As for dour displays!!! I think Kilcoo have played fairly attractive football this year.
Burren are a very good team but their arrogance and reliance on outside players will always hold them back...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 30, 2013, 11:34:54 AM
I think Burren players and supporters alike are fully aware that they were not up to the task this year and were simply not good enough to beat Kilcoo in the championship.  It is up to them to come up with something different next year.

It should also be remembered that Burren didn't have to beat Kilcoo in either of their recent championship winning campaigns.  Whether there is something in this remains to be seen but the fact remains that they couldn't put Kilcoo away and when it came to the heat of the battle in the last 10 mins there was only ever going to be one winner.  That is something the Burren lads will have to look at over the winter months and if it can't be addresses then the result will remain the same next year no matter what talent is at their disposal or how many "county players" they have !!!

On the league match the other night, I have said it before, playing league football at this time of he year is an absolute farce.  This is no fault of Kilcoo but that result was always going to happen for various reasons and I would be surprised if they don't put a big score on Castlewellan tomorrow.  Although I do hope that Castlewellan win, not out of a dislike of Kilcoo but because I believe that the team that finishes top of the league deserves to win the league.

Finally when wee James decides its time to step aside ( and it should be his decision ) then the county board should do everything in its power to get Jim McCurry on board, top coach and manager.

And finally finally I can guarantee that the views on this board of a few Burren "supporters" do not represent the views of 99.5% of Burren supporters or players.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on December 01, 2013, 08:48:20 PM
Only 1 competitive match in almost 3 months n cost the Town the league today. Were too sluggish in first 15 mins, took that long to get up to the pace of the game. Were very ood after that and three missed goal chances were vital. Proud of the team though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Buffer on December 02, 2013, 12:12:23 PM
Fair play to kilcoo on there success yesterday,best team all year and proved it then. Hard luck castlewellan,u hada good run but just fell short
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on December 02, 2013, 11:03:57 PM
Great achievement of Kilcoo to do the double yesterday though i do have sympathy for Castlewellan having to wait so long with no competitive matches, challenge games don't cut it. The Town were gracious in defeat and i'm sure they'll be a force next year.
Kilcoo were in the same position a few years back, the county board needs to have a serious look at this (again).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 03, 2013, 08:53:27 AM
Quote from: Oglach on December 02, 2013, 11:03:57 PM
Great achievement of Kilcoo to do the double yesterday though i do have sympathy for Castlewellan having to wait so long with no competitive matches, challenge games don't cut it. The Town were gracious in defeat and i'm sure they'll be a force next year.
Kilcoo were in the same position a few years back, the county board needs to have a serious look at this (again).
Every year the county board come under flak on this issue.

Yet I've never once seen a proposal from any of the clubs to amend the league structures to remove play-offs from the top of division 1, and award the title to the team at the top of the league.

This situation is not the county board's doing. Championship football takes precedence, and the county board will only take immeasurably more flak if they force league games upon a club that is representing our county in Ulster.

I really wish the top clubs would stop complaining about this every year, and simply draft a proposal to fix it. It's got to be one of the easiest motions that will ever pass: it will never affect 30+ clubs in the county and they'll just wave their hands with an aye.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on December 03, 2013, 11:00:12 AM
the leagues are fine.  its the 4/5week break in june/july that causes this problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 03, 2013, 12:04:22 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on December 03, 2013, 11:00:12 AM
the leagues are fine.  its the 4/5week break in june/july that causes this problem.

I'm not so sure. Even with great intentions, it only takes a few postponed league games, or a strong show from Down in the AI, to push the leagues into September, and from there it's completely at the mercy of Championship fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on December 03, 2013, 12:15:05 PM
In 1977 Longstone and Greencastle finished level at the top of the South Down Intermediate league. Greencastle had already won the Junior championship in September 1977, but there was no Ulster competition in those days. The league final was not played until the first week in January 1978, so this end of season stuff is not new.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 03, 2013, 01:53:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 03, 2013, 12:04:22 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on December 03, 2013, 11:00:12 AM
the leagues are fine.  its the 4/5week break in june/july that causes this problem.

I'm not so sure. Even with great intentions, it only takes a few postponed league games, or a strong show from Down in the AI, to push the leagues into September, and from there it's completely at the mercy of Championship fixtures.

There was no such extent of a break this year though? It was exactly 3 weeks in July with no game this year, hardly a huge dent in the season. Armagh have the system of having the league over before the start of the championship, county football also works this way, surely worth a try so to stop the complaining, just a thought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on December 03, 2013, 03:02:12 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 03, 2013, 01:53:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 03, 2013, 12:04:22 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on December 03, 2013, 11:00:12 AM
the leagues are fine.  its the 4/5week break in june/july that causes this problem.

I'm not so sure. Even with great intentions, it only takes a few postponed league games, or a strong show from Down in the AI, to push the leagues into September, and from there it's completely at the mercy of Championship fixtures.

There was no such extent of a break this year though? It was exactly 3 weeks in July with no game this year, hardly a huge dent in the season. Armagh have the system of having the league over before the start of the championship, county football also works this way, surely worth a try so to stop the complaining, just a thought.

There were however a number of breaks to allow the County team to have training weekends.  Leagues never got going properly until after the July break.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on December 04, 2013, 07:01:45 PM
Any word of the down team to play armagh tomorrow night?

Armagh team has been announced on twitter. Streamed on that armagh tv too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 05, 2013, 02:32:46 PM
In the Gaelic life McCorry is mulling over his future with the magpies. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HIM AT BURREN!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on December 05, 2013, 03:14:37 PM
Jim , no chance with that  probably a negotiating ploy !

Why could Burren not turn to men within the club ?The problem is too many wanting to critiise others from inside the club.I feel it is time a man like Brendan McKernan stepped up to the plate and manage the club and no need for an outsider trainer either.He managed the county u21s.Maybe a return for Paddy O'Rourke ?
Burrren needs Burren people managing to create that missing ingredient .The amount of money Burren has spent in the last 15 years and to get just 2 titles with the history that is there is senseless.Time to go for an insider.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 05, 2013, 03:20:40 PM
I think he knows he had got the best out of this group of players. This was a chance to win Ulster and they failed. By the talk of Jim it seems he  would leave if he got a good offer. I can't understand why he is not managing a county side. If he leaves Kilcoo they would struggle as they play his way perfectly. Another man in would upset the applecart ! Who will Kilcoo go for though? There is not that many top class managers left???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on December 05, 2013, 03:33:31 PM
Jim no doubt about McCorry , a class manager .What will happen now is that he will

A, Stay and this is a negotiation ploy   or

B.Finish up with Kilcoo and wait a year or 2 for Down Senior Post
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on December 05, 2013, 06:14:37 PM
you forgot to category C-Or go to where he gets the most money
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Buffer on December 05, 2013, 07:46:54 PM
That's like Alex ferguson leaving man u to go and manage Sunderland...why would he leave probably the best team in down to manage a lesser talented team,not going to happen downjim.if he leaves kilcoo I'd say it's for a break or waiting on wee James to step aside.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 05, 2013, 09:37:17 PM
Armagh 2.15 Down 1.17 in tonight game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 06, 2013, 12:05:19 AM
Destination Newry does a much better job than Armagh TV, through both pictures and words, so it was sometimes difficult to follow tonight's game online. It was obviously a glorified friendly, with handling errors galore on both sides, which Down had more than enough chances to win. According to the commentator, we have not won at the Athletic Grounds in any competition since 1992.

The starting line-up appeared to be - Shane Harrison: Eoghan Costello, Peter Turley, Benny McArdle: Ryan Mallon, Conor Garvey, Darren O'Hagan: Liam Devlin (Banbridge), Peter Fitzpatrick; Niall Madine, Conleth O'Hare (Mayobridge), Damien Turley; Liam Doyle, Connaire Harrison, Sean Bell (RGU).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on December 06, 2013, 08:59:44 AM
We beat Monaghan in Ulster at Armagh not too long ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 06, 2013, 12:00:19 PM
The commentators were refering to games against Armagh. We obviously have not beaten them away in the championship since 1992, and almost certainly not in the league either. Unless an McKenna Cup win sneaked in along the way, our record against our neighbours at the Athletic Grounds has been unrelentingly dismal. Our next visit is a big one, under the Friday night lights in February.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on December 06, 2013, 09:24:34 PM
http://www.armaghgaa.net/football/corn-ui-fhiaich-ard-mhacha-2-15-an-dun-1-17/

Report, photos + whole match video lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on December 09, 2013, 02:05:50 PM
PJ Magee back at Longstone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on December 09, 2013, 02:53:29 PM
Anybody get over to Cross for Derry game?
Reading the paper seemed like a good comeback.If we only could get scoring forwards looking back to the Qualifier embarrasment in Celtic Park where we only got one point from play that day.This competition and McKenna Cup will be worthwhile if we could unearth a few ball winning scoring forwards rather the continual reliance on Donal O'Hare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 09, 2013, 06:33:22 PM
I was at the game yesterday. Down fielding a weakened side fought gallantly against a strong Derry team. Danny Savage should step up this year while O Hare from the bridge is raw but he has potential. Madine had not one of his best games for Down but he is a great young player. This comp has been useful for wee James and I hope he can blood some new players onto the squad.
Mid down Gael:has any Kilcoo players been called up.. Niall McEvoy??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on December 09, 2013, 07:41:28 PM
Caught both matches yesterday in Cross, and fairly enjoyed both! The point by young Kerrigan at the very end was a clinker!

Down definately had the strongest + most experienced side out of the 4. Between starting 15 and subs, I count 8/9 players who will be very close to a starting spot in Ulster! Thought the black cards to Savage + Harrison was the losing of the game!

Some call my Grimley to allow the county's u21s to play!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on December 09, 2013, 09:45:38 PM
Our fella you enjoyed both games but I was thinking back to The Celtic Park Embarassment we only had 3 of the starting team whereas Derry had 6 starters .
I feel it has been useful for us alright but my concerns would be bringing players in who couldn't cut it before .Liam Doyle is a bit of a punt , great fielder but really would need a serious amount of training and conditioning work , not convinced it is a wise move but I could be wrong - does offer options as a left footed free taker rather than Donal hitting them on the right wing .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on December 10, 2013, 12:25:21 AM
Quote from: Courtney on December 09, 2013, 09:45:38 PM
Our fella you enjoyed both games but I was thinking back to The Celtic Park Embarassment we only had 3 of the starting team whereas Derry had 6 starters .
I feel it has been useful for us alright but my concerns would be bringing players in who couldn't cut it before .Liam Doyle is a bit of a punt , great fielder but really would need a serious amount of training and conditioning work , not convinced it is a wise move but I could be wrong - does offer options as a left footed free taker rather than Donal hitting them on the right wing .

Ahh right right, didnt know you were implying to that particular match. Im not a down match btw, so i did enjoy that celtic park embarrassment ;) 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on December 12, 2013, 04:54:53 PM
It is amazing how quickly fortunes can change. Right now Carr, Garvey, and Doyle are all back . Gordon mustn't be too far away and Ambrose has no fresh problems as far as I know. McGinn, O'Hagan, and Fitzpatrick have rejoined the squad and Benny has signed on for another year. We have some great young players coming through in Shay McCardle, Donal O'Hare, Danny Savage, Darragh O'hanlon, Paul Devlin, the Johnstones and Niall Madine. If Danny Hughes signs up then we will pretty much have our strongest panel ever under Jamesy.

But I remember being full of optimism last year too then Doyler pulled his hamstring, Dan broke his foot, Danny's "nearly there" saga ended without any game time. Benny never looked fit, McComiskey decided USA was better than Breffni, Garvey had a horrible work accident, Aiden Carr pulled something, and pretty much our season disintegrated in the space of a month!!!!

I just hope that this year we have better luck this year. IF we can keep this squad and all are fit then promotion looks highly realistic. And within a few years we could be challenging at the highest level. There is some tremendous talent there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on December 13, 2013, 12:07:26 PM
I wish it was so rosey , lots of names that are available now .But looking through ones mentioned in last post they are not up to it .Let's go through them -
Carr ,been there before and older now  and not up to it before.
Doyle ,struggled for years with injuries , never been fit for years ,unlucky but taking up a spot on the panel that would be better used by a younger player .
Shay McArdle , not ready arrange for him to carry out a strength and conditioning programme and send back to club and monitor him there.
O'Hagan , again monitor his club form but not ready and watch his commitment.
Fitzpatrick , in 2010 seemed he had a future but needs a serious amount of training and conditioning ,a possibility.
Johnstons , neither up to intercounty level at this stage ,send back to club and monitor.
On the postive side
Danny Savage  seems to be learning his trade , fast great left foot will be interesting to see if he makes UUJ Sigerson starting line -up in new year but signs are good.
McGinn  Sigerson helping him back up to speed and signs are good and Poland's position could be under threat
Young Kilcoo players  Darragh O'Hanlon and Paul Devlin need to be played and brought through and Nial McEvoy a very athletic player also.
Garvey a great player.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on December 13, 2013, 01:03:29 PM
I would have to disagree with you on some of your points Courtney. Shay mc Ardle is as big as any of the players on that panel. I saw him this year with Burren and had to look at him twice as he has bulked up that much he obviously has been doing a programme. Darren o Hagan will walk into that defence he is a tenacious defender who will fight to the end. I would have both the Johnsons on board for them to get a bit of experience but I think Jerome will push into the starting team as he is one of the top forwards in the county. Daragh o Hanlon and Paul Devlin should also make an impact Devlin should be starting but I have heard he wont commit to the weights plan. Niall mc Avoy would be a good asset as he has an un believable engine. Glad to see Maginn and Fitzpatrick back gives us more options which isn't a bad thing. Another lad that I think would be an option is Conor Toner big strong lad who can also play ball
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on December 13, 2013, 02:42:06 PM
Surprised nobody has mentioned Taz McPolin from Clonduff.. Seen him play v Queens in the Ryan cup and was very impressive, then again the Ryan cup final in Newry last week, and he was very close to MOTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on December 13, 2013, 02:51:06 PM
He is a good lad our fella but didn't play much this last while. He had a run a few years ago and I thought he did well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 13, 2013, 04:20:05 PM
agree about toner from burren, always been impressed anytime I seen him play. the kilcoo lads should definitely be stepping up this year along with Darren o hagan. good to have maginn, garvey and fitzpatrick back in the panel, quality footballers. anybody else reckon ryan Kelly from the stone is worth a look at again? always racks up big scores at club level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on December 13, 2013, 05:56:47 PM
Looks like a year where Down needs to go for youth ,Division 2 might be the right environment for that Benny is no longer worth a start but could be a last 15 minute impact sub.
This should be a changing of the guard season and there are some good young prospects.
A new captain too will help also .Any suggestions , any of you know who are the good talkers in the changing room and natural leaders if given that role .?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on December 13, 2013, 07:25:30 PM
Shay McArdle is on work experience in Spain until September so that would rule him out of this year.  Think Conot Toner has been asked before and rejected the call.

I thought Peter Turley started to come good at CHB towards the end of last year so I'd like to see him stay there with a fit again Dan Gordon at FB.  That would provide a very strong hard spine to the defence.  The wings and corners should be filled in with men like Garvey, Rooney, O Hanlon, O Hagan or Boyle.

We could really do with finding some competition for Kings role in the team with the other midfield  spot going to a more atheletic player in Ambrose or McKernan.

Given their size and stature I am not sure Devlin and Jerome are good enough to replace players of similar ilk and size, namely Poland, Laverty and O Hare.  We could badly do with finding a couple of bigger forwards although Mallon might be able to play a role at wing half and Madine may player a bigger role this season.  Maybe Packie Downey is worth another look at.  Would agree Benny should mainly be used as an impact player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 14, 2013, 12:18:09 AM
There is no doubt that we have much more options than in recent seasons, particularly at the back. Our defence for our last championship game was McCartan, McArdle, Costello,  Boyle, Turley and Quinn.  They all did reasonably well last summer but we now have Gordon, Carr and Garvey recovering from injury, O'Hagan back from the US, O'Hanlon and McEvoy stepping up from Kilcoo and the likes of Rooney and Mallon very much in contention as well.

In addition to the regular attacking starters from last year, Fitzpatrick could come in at either midfield or half forward, McComiskey and Maginn are also back in the frame, and Savage, Devlin, Damien Turley and Harrison will be pushing for places.
That is not counting new faces from the O Fiaich and McKenna Cups.

Madine and O'Hare are only going to improve, and we have established figures like McVeigh, King, McKernan, Ambrose, Benny, Laverty, Poland and hopefully Hughes and Doyle to build around.

It would take two flights home from Melbourne to really make us a serious side, although that is at best a long term hope, but we are still capable of making an impact with the squad we have.

Here is a possible team and five subs which excludes every player who started in our last championship match.

S Harrison; McEvoy, Gordon, O'Hagan; Garvey, Carr, Mallon; Rooney, Fitzpatrick; O'Hanlon, Maginn, Devlin; Savage, C Harrison McComiskey. Bench - Benny, Doyle, Hughes, Damien Turley, Gough.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on December 14, 2013, 08:19:03 AM
any news on the Down/Louth game last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on December 14, 2013, 09:25:43 AM
See on the latest score thread Down won 4-21 to 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on December 14, 2013, 09:30:19 AM
There should be a few positives to come from that result plus there was only the kick of a ball in the other two contests Down had in the competition-any comments from anyone in attendance last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on December 14, 2013, 11:43:23 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 16, 2013, 12:02:50 AM
What's the money for?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on December 17, 2013, 01:03:17 PM
Each player puts in £5 and say 40 people enter then there would be £200 jackpot that the last man standing will recieve or split if there is more than one winner
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 17, 2013, 03:47:17 PM
I see, wasn't sure if there was some other potential beneficiary from it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 21, 2013, 08:33:31 PM
Any word of the Mc Kenna cup panel being named?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 22, 2013, 07:21:00 PM
ross carr is the new manager at the kingdom!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on December 22, 2013, 11:03:03 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 22, 2013, 07:21:00 PM
ross carr is the new manager at the kingdom!

Must have some serious £££ down on the coast these days!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on December 23, 2013, 05:12:51 PM
Any word on training squad ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on December 23, 2013, 10:46:39 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 22, 2013, 07:21:00 PM
ross carr is the new manager at the kingdom!

There is only one thing that would attract this man to An Riocht, with all respect to a decent club who have been hit with emigration, but I'll tell you what it certainly ain't football.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 24, 2013, 12:25:42 AM
Ross Carr is a legend in our county and further afield. His name should not be dragged through the mud by keyboard warriers. Show a bit of respect !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on December 24, 2013, 07:42:45 AM
Here here TOH. Two Bridge men defending a Clonduff man, must be Christmas!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 24, 2013, 10:48:33 AM
Totally agree with T O'Hare, make that 3 Bridge men now Amallon!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on December 24, 2013, 11:08:24 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 24, 2013, 12:25:42 AM
Ross Carr is a legend in our county and further afield. His name should not be dragged through the mud by keyboard warriers. Show a bit of respect !

O'Hare is a Hilltown man at heart, sure didn't his da play for them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 25, 2013, 09:32:02 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 24, 2013, 11:08:24 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 24, 2013, 12:25:42 AM
Ross Carr is a legend in our county and further afield. His name should not be dragged through the mud by keyboard warriers. Show a bit of respect !

O'Hare is a Hilltown man at heart, sure didn't his da play for them!
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The yellas greatest ever player !!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on December 25, 2013, 09:38:03 AM
Well said tommy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on December 25, 2013, 09:38:04 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 25, 2013, 09:32:02 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 24, 2013, 11:08:24 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on December 24, 2013, 12:25:42 AM
Ross Carr is a legend in our county and further afield. His name should not be dragged through the mud by keyboard warriers. Show a bit of respect !

O'Hare is a Hilltown man at heart, sure didn't his da play for them!
[/quotes

The yellas greatest ever player !!!!


I'm sure there are Hilltown men who will beg to differ, sure he isn't even the 'bridges greatest player ever ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on December 25, 2013, 10:22:37 PM
Other recent appointments:
Paul Lambe to Newry Shamrocks
Johnny Mc Cumiskey to Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on December 26, 2013, 10:05:32 AM
An Riocht' appointing of Ross is a real statement of intent to go straight back up. He will bring a new impoteus and maybe this will stop anymore overseas departures.

Surely them and CPN favourites to return.

Word that Cathal Murray has returned to Saul, he done a great job with them and they will now be a serious threat in the second.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on December 26, 2013, 08:07:05 PM
Congratulations to all in Castlwellan GAC on their big win today in Bobby Dalzell Cup , meant a lot to all in the town.
East Down as strong as ever in the competition .The Gaelic Football is great for the lads over the Summer but to win Bobby Dalzell Cup is what it is all about in East Down and The  Town.Real Town Spirit today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 30, 2013, 07:08:27 PM
some of the 'bigger names' on the down squad not included in the McKenna cup panel. no benny, poly, ambrose, mcveigh, Laverty or mckernan. surprised to see eoin mccartan still there. hopefully the 3 McKenna cup games can be used to unearth a couple of new players ready to compete for a starting place come league time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on December 30, 2013, 07:33:56 PM
Sheedy where you see panel listing ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on December 30, 2013, 07:45:46 PM
Hi Sheedy have you got the full squad I can't seem to see it anywhere
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 30, 2013, 07:46:06 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on December 30, 2013, 07:33:56 PM
Sheedy where you see panel listing ??
back page of todays irish news.

shane Harrison g'drumman
liam devlin clan na banna
shane mcnamee m'bridge
connor garvey m'bridge
aiden carr clonduff
miceal lively m'bridge
kalum king b'ford
gary mcardle annaclone
pete fitzpatrick b'martin
conleth o hare m'bridge
niall madine saval
connaire harrison g'drumman
brendan mcardle annaclone
daniel mccartan burren
pete turley d'patrick
liam doyle liatroim
eoin mccartan burren
darren o hagan clonduff
declan rooney parnells
niall mcparland glenn
paul devlin kilcoo
damien turley d'patrick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on December 30, 2013, 07:58:36 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 30, 2013, 07:46:06 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on December 30, 2013, 07:33:56 PM
Sheedy where you see panel listing ??
back page of todays irish news.

shane Harrison g'drumman
liam devlin clan na banna
shane mcnamee m'bridge
connor garvey m'bridge
aiden carr clonduff
miceal lively m'bridge
kalum king b'ford
gary mcardle annaclone
pete fitzpatrick b'martin
conleth o hare m'bridge
niall madine saval
connaire harrison g'drumman
brendan mcardle annaclone
daniel mccartan burren
pete turley d'patrick
liam doyle liatroim
eoin mccartan burren
darren o hagan clonduff
declan rooney parnells
niall mcparland glenn
paul devlin kilcoo
damien turley d'patrick


Is this the same Paul Devlin who plays for UUJ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 30, 2013, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: our_fella on December 30, 2013, 07:58:36 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 30, 2013, 07:46:06 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on December 30, 2013, 07:33:56 PM
Sheedy where you see panel listing ??
back page of todays irish news.

shane Harrison g'drumman
liam devlin clan na banna
shane mcnamee m'bridge
connor garvey m'bridge
aiden carr clonduff
miceal lively m'bridge
kalum king b'ford
gary mcardle annaclone
pete fitzpatrick b'martin
conleth o hare m'bridge
niall madine saval
connaire harrison g'drumman
brendan mcardle annaclone
daniel mccartan burren
pete turley d'patrick
liam doyle liatroim
eoin mccartan burren
darren o hagan clonduff
declan rooney parnells
niall mcparland glenn
paul devlin kilcoo
damien turley d'patrick


Is this the same Paul Devlin who plays for UUJ?
sure is. wee james must be taking after micky harte.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on December 30, 2013, 08:39:11 PM
Thanks for that Sheedy

Anyone else know who else is playing with the universities?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on December 30, 2013, 10:55:55 PM
Players that have already played for down like Ryan Mallon, Conor Maginn and Michael Cunningham are playing for Queens.

Another Down lads wholl be playing for Queens are Owen Costello, Ciaran McCartan, Ross McGarry


Down lads playing for Jtown: Gough, Duggan, Savage, McPolin, McAleenan, McClean.. Stange how Devlin chose Down.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 30, 2013, 11:12:36 PM
Is Donal O'Hare also involved with a college team ? It is also a bit of a surprise that Devlin is the only Kilcoo representative, although O'Hanlon and McEvoy could have been given a longer break after the Ulster club championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on December 31, 2013, 01:38:37 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 30, 2013, 11:12:36 PM
Is Donal O'Hare also involved with a college team ? It is also a bit of a surprise that Devlin is the only Kilcoo representative, although O'Hanlon and McEvoy could have been given a longer break after the Ulster club championship.

He refused to play. Did the same when he was a fresher
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on December 31, 2013, 07:25:37 AM
Quote from: our_fella on December 30, 2013, 10:55:55 PM
Players that have already played for down like Ryan Mallon, Conor Maginn and Michael Cunningham are playing for Queens.

Another Down lads wholl be playing for Queens are Owen Costello, Ciaran McCartan, Ross McGarry


Down lads playing for Jtown: Gough, Duggan, Savage, McPolin, McAleenan, McClean.. Stange how Devlin chose Down.

Is Duffin also at UUJ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on December 31, 2013, 07:36:41 PM
QuoteHe refused to play. Did the same when he was a fresher

Any particular reason for that?

Is Paul McComiskey back in the country?  Be great to see him back in a county jersey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on January 01, 2014, 02:18:05 PM
So 2014 is upon us, not be long until all clubs teams begin the slog of pre season. As far as I know the manager merry go round is complete so are there any predictions for this year?? Will the black card make any difference or will the same teams still be at the top come the end of the year?? I hear Burren will be losing a few players due to work and players heading to Oz and USA. A look at last years finishing positions threw up a few surprises, no doubt there will be plenty in store again.
County football kicks off this weekend, it is great to see the likes of Dan Gordon back at training and maybe the mc Kenna cup will unearth a few good additions to the panel.
All in all let's hope for an entertaining year ahead in club and county!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 05, 2014, 12:16:48 AM
DownTeam to play UUJ Pairc Esler 2pm Sunday
Shane Harrison Dan Mc Cartan Peter Turley Darren O Hagan Brendan Mc Ardle Aidan Carr Michael Lively Kalum King Gary Mc Ardle Peter Fitzpatrick Conleth O Hare Darragh O Hanlon Connaire Harrison Eoin Mc Cartan Mark Poland.

Strong enough side on paper, even if O'Hanlon and Poland were not named in the official McKenna Cup panel. We might have expected another couple of new faces, but it gets the season up and running.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on January 05, 2014, 11:34:19 AM
Has anyone heard the UUJ team? Are there many Down men on it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 05, 2014, 12:17:27 PM
Is the Newry pitch playable?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on January 05, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
Anyone know if this match is on radio or being streamed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 05, 2014, 05:19:39 PM
Not much to get excited about today, particularly as UUJ were very poor, but we took some decent scores and should benefit from the run-out. Shane Harrison showed excellent handing in nets, and the full back line of McCartan, O' Hagan and especially Peter Turley was solid. The half backs took a while to settle, and Carr probably needed the game, but Benny McArdle was reasonable and Lively had a decent debut.

King looked unlucky with his early black card, and will hopefully learn from the experience when the serious matches arrive, and Gary McArdle had his moments without ever dominating.

O'Hanlon was very harshly treated to get a black for what seemed  perfect shoulder charge, and it was puzzling to see players on both sides getting yellows and staying on the field for more dangerous tackles. He was just getting into his stride, although he will have to work on his left foot.

O'Hare struggled early on, and lacks size, but started kicking impressive points when the play opened up. Fitzpatrick, after his long break, never really got into the game, apart from tucking away a confident goal.

Poland had some classy touches without over-extending himself, and Connaire Harrison worked hard but could have made a bigger impact. Eoin McCartan had a good day, winning almost every ball and setting up the goal neatly.

Madine was the pick of the subsitutes but the second half was largely a training spin. The trip to Cavan next week should be a tougher task.

Jordanstown's Down players were mainly on the fringes, but may well have been looking to the Sigerson.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 05, 2014, 05:29:49 PM
Both Harrison's had great games. The experience of Dan McCartan, Brendy McArdle and Mark Poland carried the team through.

Jordanstown were poor but they weren't at full tilt.

This black card regime has the potential to turn the game into a disaster zone. King and O'Hanlon very unlucky to get one each.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 05, 2014, 06:58:25 PM
When was the last time Down scored a 45 ? Marty Clarke ?
The black cards for King and O'Hanlon were ridiculous- both were playing well with King recording a rare point.Does this 3 black cards leading to a suspension rule carry in to the league ?
How many managers have Jordanstown ? Four named in the programme but six shouting instructions. I know they have a team of all-stars to come in but they would need to improve.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 11, 2014, 12:44:16 AM
Down team v Cavan at Kingscourt on Sunday.

Shane Harrison; Dan Mc Cartan Peter Turley Darren O Hagan; Darragh O'Hanlon Aidan Carr Michael Lively; Kalum King Gary Mc Ardle; Ryan Boyle Conleth O Hare Brendan McArdle; Peter Fitzpatrick, Niall Madine Eoin Mc Cartan.

Again, a reasonably strong side for the McKenna Cup. Two defenders and a midfielder listed in the attack would suggest that there will not be much space left free in our half.
Title: Down Club Hurling
Post by: No1 on January 11, 2014, 07:47:25 PM
With the Down hurling Board not long scrapped, I hear they have gone one step further and done away with the Down Hurling leagues.  A complete disgrace.  A 7 hour round trip on a Saturday evening for a hurling league game in Donegal is going to do wonders for the club game outside the Ards.  Development my hole.  Anyone an idea if the clubs agreed to this at convention or county board meetings?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 12, 2014, 12:10:23 PM
Delighted to see there are five Down players starting for Qieen's today. On a personal note it's nice to see two Warrenpoint players there. Maginn, Shay McCardle, Mallon will all be an important part of our league squad, and Ciaran McCartan can't be too far away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling
Post by: The Raven on January 12, 2014, 12:27:43 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 11, 2014, 07:47:25 PM
With the Down hurling Board not long scrapped, I hear they have gone one step further and done away with the Down Hurling leagues.  A complete disgrace.  A 7 hour round trip on a Saturday evening for a hurling league game in Donegal is going to do wonders for the club game outside the Ards.  Development my hole.  Anyone an idea if the clubs agreed to this at convention or county board meetings?
Seems to be  very little thought has gone into this proposal. Surely we have have enough teams  of an equal standard to maintain a league of our own, take last years junior championship as an example. At least jf this Ulster league was more regional based ie Down/Armagh clubs it might have a chance. But in reality teams that could only field 13 players last year are going to have big problems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 12, 2014, 12:53:18 PM
There's a meeting been called of the hurling clubs for Tuesday to try and sort all this out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on January 12, 2014, 03:27:06 PM
Whats Queens team today? Down men?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 12, 2014, 03:39:20 PM
FT from Kingscourt is Cavan 1-9 Down 0-5. It sounds like a pretty ordinary performance and we only got one point from an injury time free during the final 30-odd minutes. Our scoring difference has also taken a hit, so we will need a convincing win against Antrim on Wednesday to qualify as the best runner up.  Darragh O'Hanlon got a black card for the second game in a row, but, on the more positive side, Benny got a late run out from the bench.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 12, 2014, 03:39:49 PM
poor showing in Kingscourt. Cavan 1.09  Down 0.05 .
Be interesting to see the reports from anyone that was at it.
If your gonna play defenders in the forward line as was posted above then you get what you deserve.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on January 12, 2014, 05:35:55 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on January 12, 2014, 12:53:18 PM
There's a meeting been called of the hurling clubs for Tuesday to try and sort all this out.

Is this an open meeting or is it just for county board reps. As usual not a word about these proposals on the county website. So much for communication
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on January 12, 2014, 06:12:08 PM
What a miserable performance by Down in Cavan. Two teams determined to suck the life out of each other by playing dour, negative football, but Down just aren't that good at it. They lacked any quality whatsoever, cleaned out in midfield and carried the ball continually into rucks of Cavan players. Seemed to alternate between over-elaborating around the middle of the park and hoofing hopeful ball in on top of Madine and McCartan, neither of whom made an impact on the game, both substituted. The second half in particular was desperately poor from Down. I think they only managed to score 0-2 from play over the whole game, a woeful return. Darragh O'Hanlon, Peter Turley and probably Brendan McArdle and Aidan Carr are the only Down players to emerge with any credit whatsoever. Can only hope that some of the bigger names will be ready for the league.

Also must be said that Cavan will probably do alright this year, but Jesus they are horrible to watch. A hyper-defensive team that make Donegal look like Brazil. Worryingly, they outclassed Down in the second half particularly and look a far fitter and better-organised team than us. When we try to match that type of football by replicating it, we are liable to produce some really awful stuff, barely able to score from play and posing no attacking threat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 12, 2014, 06:54:52 PM
Absolutely pathetic performance from Down today. The only players who I think could take any credit from that performance was o hagan possibly benny mc Ardle and o Hanlon who got a stupid black card. They were the only players who tried to push forward whereas the rest of them had nothing in their head only going back or across the field. I know it's early days but some of the mistakes from experienced players was nothing short of woeful. Lets hope some of the lads who have to come back into the team give them some drive
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 13, 2014, 09:19:16 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 12, 2014, 03:39:20 PM
FT from Kingscourt is Cavan 1-9 Down 0-5. It sounds like a pretty ordinary performance and we only got one point from an injury time free during the final 30-odd minutes. Our scoring difference has also taken a hit, so we will need a convincing win against Antrim on Wednesday to qualify as the best runner up.  Darragh O'Hanlon got a black card for the second game in a row, but, on the more positive side, Benny got a late run out from the bench.

Wretched performance & match generally. It was thrills and spills without the thrills. Apart from a spell towards the end of first half we never looked like getting on top. I saw somewhere we missed ten dead balls so on another day with O'hare on we might have got something from it.

I saw no positive side of Benny's run out. I've been his biggest fan over the years but it's sad we're still springing him and doyle from the bench.

The future is younger than benny and liam unfortunately.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling
Post by: johnneycool on January 13, 2014, 10:45:24 AM
Quote from: The Raven on January 12, 2014, 12:27:43 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 11, 2014, 07:47:25 PM
With the Down hurling Board not long scrapped, I hear they have gone one step further and done away with the Down Hurling leagues.  A complete disgrace.  A 7 hour round trip on a Saturday evening for a hurling league game in Donegal is going to do wonders for the club game outside the Ards.  Development my hole.  Anyone an idea if the clubs agreed to this at convention or county board meetings?
Seems to be  very little thought has gone into this proposal. Surely we have have enough teams  of an equal standard to maintain a league of our own, take last years junior championship as an example. At least jf this Ulster league was more regional based ie Down/Armagh clubs it might have a chance. But in reality teams that could only field 13 players last year are going to have big problems.

I was surprised by the CCC in Downs decision to cancel its own leagues and throw all their eggs in the one basket of the Ulster hurling league which up until now was a good enough way of getting early season games under your belt..
There doesn't seem to have been any consultation with the clubs affected and IMO the Ards clubs are affected in a bad way as we've another swarth of young lads coming out of U-16 who won't get an awful lot of hurling, a few minor league games early on, nothing for months and then into a knockout championship in late July, early August.
We'd historically have thrown them into the seconds and thirds on a Monday night so at least they we're getting some hurling.
The reserve league in Antrim is a good standard, higher that Div1 in Down, but with senior games regularly pushed out to a Wednesday night, a lot of them don't take place as the North Antrim teams have plenty of games either in the NA leagues, feis' etc, etc. so they may only get another 9 or 10 games there!!

The traveling involved in this Ulster league is crazy and TBH I can't see any more than 50% of the fixtures being fulfilled..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 13, 2014, 09:38:57 PM
Benny still has a role to play for Down, although it may involve coming off the bench. With Danny Hughes uncertain about his availability, the idea that we will have 12 better forwards than Benny when we name our championship squad takes a little believing. He clearly does not have the pace he did when he won his All Star, but he remains our most natural goal scorer and he deserves to be involved.

Liam Doyle is a different case, as he has made a huge effort to come back after a series of injuries. He was getting close in 2012 but had another setback last year and is probably going for a last roll of the dice. He is worth a run in the McKenna Cup, and at the very least it is doubtful if we have a better left-footed free taker.

The league will give us a chance to look at the players who have been away with their universities, although the performance against Cavan on Sunday did not suggest that some of the other new faces are ready to step up to the mark.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 14, 2014, 09:51:11 AM
Serious question for those from a hurling background.

Do you believe that changes to the way hurling is administered in the county is undertaken by the County Board:

a) as a result of the influence and direction of the prominent hurling clubs and reps, or
b) as the result of decisions by a bunch of clueless fools in a dark room, who wouldn't know one end of hurling stick from the other, yet refuse to ask for advice, or
c) as a deep-lying ploy by a sinister group of football-loving reprobates, whose endgame is redrawing of county lines to send the peninsula over to Antrim, and terminating any hurling in "real" County Down.

If you think there's a d), let me know.

I'm genuinely interested in the results here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 14, 2014, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2014, 09:51:11 AM
Serious question for those from a hurling background.

Do you believe that changes to the way hurling is administered in the county is undertaken by the County Board:

a) as a result of the influence and direction of the prominent hurling clubs and reps, or
b) as the result of decisions by a bunch of clueless fools in a dark room, who wouldn't know one end of hurling stick from the other, yet refuse to ask for advice, or
c) as a deep-lying ploy by a sinister group of football-loving reprobates, whose endgame is redrawing of county lines to send the peninsula over to Antrim, and terminating any hurling in "real" County Down.

If you think there's a d), let me know.

I'm genuinely interested in the results here.

I really don't know where this mind fart came from, but it certainly wasn't a).

On point b) after asking a few questions I'm not entirely convinced  it was an idea spawned in Castlewellan by Sean O'g or Seamus Walsh, put possibly from Sean O'gs pay masters in the Ulster council.
Either way it was not discussed with any of the hurling clubs in Down or no one was asked for their opinions on it.
The Ulster council are rightly getting a bit of stick for their development plans in hurling and they maybe have put all their eggs in the one basket with this all Ulster hurling league (minus Antrim clubs!) and foisted it upon Down, but why weren't those going to be directly affected not asked for their inputs at an earlier stage?

c) We're a minority sport in Down, I can live with that, however the Down county board have responsibilities to hurling as much as they do football. You can't force people to play a sport they don't want to but those that do should be afforded a bit of leeway and given the option to do so, not make fixtures etc in such a way that people are forced to choose either or.

Do you honestly think Down county board would have countenanced stopping all the football leagues and making the clubs row in with an all Ulster club football league in the same manner as is happening in the hurling?
Not a chance in hell and in my mind that's a bit of double standards, but I'm prepared to give those in power in Down a break if this was imposed upon them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 14, 2014, 11:29:35 AM
Thanks Johnnycool, just looking to see some perspectives here.

You're right, there's no way that CB would force all football clubs into an Ulster League unless that's what the majority of clubs wanted to do. I'm genuinely interested to know if/how/why/when hurling clubs get together (or are even consulted) in a similar way.

I've a long-running theory (and it's only a theory, not a fact) that hurling clubs don't help themselves in these situations. Rather than take the bull by the horns and drive hurling forward in the county, they simply expect "football men" to run things for them, and complain bitterly when it doesn't work. Which it never will, if that is what is happening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 14, 2014, 12:05:26 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2014, 11:29:35 AM
Thanks Johnnycool, just looking to see some perspectives here.

You're right, there's no way that CB would force all football clubs into an Ulster League unless that's what the majority of clubs wanted to do. I'm genuinely interested to know if/how/why/when hurling clubs get together (or are even consulted) in a similar way.

I've a long-running theory (and it's only a theory, not a fact) that hurling clubs don't help themselves in these situations. Rather than take the bull by the horns and drive hurling forward in the county, they simply expect "football men" to run things for them, and complain bitterly when it doesn't work. Which it never will, if that is what is happening.

I'm not entirely sure that your theory isn't without merit as there is some who'd rather complain about not getting everything given to them hand and foot than go do something about it.

It's hard for 'football' men not to run things as there's only a dozen hurling clubs with most of them dual clubs as opposed to almost 40 football clubs. The county board and committees will always reflect this, but when you take on a position within the county, you no longer are a football man or hurling man but an administrator for all of Down GAA, football, hurling, handball, rounders or whatever and each sport needs to be treated properly.
From my experiences some of the better administrators for hurling have come from football only clubs, Walsh is spoken highly of by anyone I know involved with county hurling teams and development squads and TBH one of the better hurling chairmen when there was a hurling board  I've known was a Burren man.
Down wouldn't have won the Christy Ring last year if Walsh hadn't have forced the Meath replay to be played in Ballycran when most of his county board colleagues wanted it played in the marshes.

Hence my surprise at the county board allowing this league fiasco to get this far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on January 14, 2014, 02:14:38 PM
Have to agree with johnneycool, this Ulster league my have been imposed on us from UC. Not sure if it was discussed at any county reps meeting or even at convention (not privvy to such information). As I stated earlier  we need to think long and hard about this format and do whats best for Down

On a not unrelated matter does anyone know nights/days for various adult and underage football and hurling fixtures for coming season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 14, 2014, 05:59:13 PM
does anyone know the full list of managers for the division 1 clubs for the forthcoming season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on January 14, 2014, 08:34:12 PM
Hope this is right

Burren - Paddy Carr
Mayobridge - Michael Walsh & Eoghan Woods
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Frank Dawson
Castlewellan - John "Shorty" Treanor
Downpatrick - DJ Kane
Loughinisland - Kyran Smith
Rostrevor - Gerard Colgan
Saval - Darren Quinn
Longstone - PJ Magee
Glenn - John Kennedy & Tony Bagnall
Tullylish - Francie Poland & Mark McAvoy
Leitrim - Paddy O'Higgins
Annaclone - John Morgan
Ballyholland - Stevie Poucher
Clonduff - unnamed


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 14, 2014, 08:42:33 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on January 14, 2014, 08:34:12 PM
Hope this is right

Burren - Paddy Carr
Mayobridge - Michael Walsh & Eoghan Woods
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Frank Dawson
Castlewellan - John "Shorty" Treanor
Downpatrick - DJ Kane
Loughinisland - Kyran Smith
Rostrevor - Gerard Colgan
Saval - Darren Quinn
Longstone - PJ Magee
Glenn - John Kennedy & Tony Bagnall
Tullylish - Francie Poland & Mark McAvoy
Leitrim - Paddy O'Higgins
Annaclone - John Morgan
Ballyholland - Stevie Poucher
Clonduff - unnamed



cheers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 14, 2014, 08:53:36 PM
Is Sean Ward still with St Johns? He has had a couple of good years with them and had success at under 21 level with Burren. I thought a senior team might have approached him this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 15, 2014, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 14, 2014, 08:42:33 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on January 14, 2014, 08:34:12 PM
Hope this is right

Burren - Paddy Carr
Mayobridge - Michael Walsh & Eoghan Woods
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Frank Dawson
Castlewellan - John "Shorty" Treanor
Downpatrick - DJ Kane
Loughinisland - Kyran Smith
Rostrevor - Gerard Colgan
Saval - Darren Quinn
Longstone - PJ Magee
Glenn - John Kennedy & Tony Bagnall
Tullylish - Francie Poland & Mark McAvoy
Leitrim - Paddy O'Higgins
Annaclone - John Morgan
Ballyholland - Stevie Poucher
Clonduff - unnamed



cheers.

I think someone else is with Annaclone. John Morgan is training them alright but I think they have a seperate manager. Clonduff - unnamed... hugely talented team for no-one to take a punt on!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on January 15, 2014, 11:21:23 AM
Any word on how the hurling meeting went last night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 15, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
looking like another dire Down performance. 6 points behind Antrim at HT on the verge of loosingto2 Div 3 teams in 4 days, must be very little talent in the county. hope they arent trying that defensive system as they have already conceded 1.09 tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 15, 2014, 09:44:31 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 15, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
looking like another dire Down performance. 6 points behind Antrim at HT on the verge of loosingto2 Div 3 teams in 4 days, must be very little talent in the county. hope they arent trying that defensive system as they have already conceded 1.09 tonight
Jaysus lads lighten up. It's the McKenna Cup. Start complaining if we don't perform in the league. This competition is a glorified series of organised friendlies.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on January 15, 2014, 10:10:12 PM
Well said 5 Sams. I don't know how to like on this site!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 15, 2014, 10:16:10 PM
McKenna Cup all about experimentation. Plenty to think about for the League.

Down had a decent first 20 minutes tonight but after that they became disjointed.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 15, 2014, 10:21:54 PM
At the same time lads you would like to see at least a spine of  a team taking shape for the start of the league at this stage.  Fair enough if the likes of Rooney, Gordon, Ambrose, Poland, laverty and O Hare are all injured then James hasn't much choice but at the min it looks like the Monaghan game in two wks will be the first game of the year for a lot of them boys.

Monaghan look like they are starting the year quickly and if Down make a slow start we could be in for a difficult league campaign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 15, 2014, 10:31:06 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 15, 2014, 09:44:31 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 15, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
looking like another dire Down performance. 6 points behind Antrim at HT on the verge of loosingto2 Div 3 teams in 4 days, must be very little talent in the county. hope they arent trying that defensive system as they have already conceded 1.09 tonight
Jaysus lads lighten up. It's the McKenna Cup. Start complaining if we don't perform in the league. This competition is a glorified series of organised friendlies.
yep i agree to an extent. while i dont agree with Tyrone keeping their college players is it a coincidence that they win it most years since Harte took over and more often than not are the last Ulster team left in the All Ireland, down need  to hit the  ground running need to win all home games in the league to have any chance of promotion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 15, 2014, 11:31:08 PM
The only positive tonight was that it was the McKenna Cup rather than the league and we still have two weeks to get ourselves ready for the Monaghan game. Down were very ordinary, as opposed to extremely poor, and Antrim did not have to be great to win fairly comfortably.

As DownFanatic said earlier, we had a decent enough start  but we never recovered after giving away a shocker of a goal. Doyle lost possession and two defenders looked at each other as the Antrim forward had a free run down the middle and was able to pass to a team-mate in front an empty net.  We created plenty of chances, but took the wrong option almost every time

McVeigh made one brilliant save and had little else to do, but the full back line looked slow and disorganised. The half backs, Boyle, Garvey and particularly tonight's captain Carr, initially looked decent but faded badly. While King was adequate at midfield, Fitzpatrick is still finding his feet after his break.

O'Hanlon was probably our best forward, and hit a couple of excellent points from long range frees, but his use of the ball from play was not always up to scratch, while Madine only played in flashes.

Doyle had a point from play within 30 seconds, but his confidence seemed to go after he missed a relatively easy goal opportunity. Benny worked hard but his timing was out and three decent chances in front of the posts went astray. None of the subs made much difference.

We did not move the ball quickly enough overall, and there were handling errors galore. The players on the injury list and off with their colleges will need to be back soon if we are to make an impact in division two. A look at the Tyrone score tonight tells us how much we have to do before the championship.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on January 17, 2014, 08:56:33 AM
Quote from: imagine on January 15, 2014, 02:22:37 PM
Quote from: The Raven on January 15, 2014, 11:21:23 AM
Any word on how the hurling meeting went last night

  Hot and heavy debate with most debate about the timings of games for Dual Clubs  and as regards
not enough games for the Ards 3's so no Ards at all in Ulster. All the other Clubs have said yes
to the Ulster league.

Are the non Ards clubs also happy with the dissolving of the Down hurling leagues as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on January 20, 2014, 06:02:20 PM
Anyone know when the Down Leagues start? When are fixtures drawn?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on January 21, 2014, 02:29:50 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on January 14, 2014, 08:34:12 PM

Hope this is right

Burren - Paddy Carr
Mayobridge - Michael Walsh & Eoghan Woods
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Frank Dawson
Castlewellan - John "Shorty" Treanor
Downpatrick - DJ Kane
Loughinisland - Kyran Smith
Rostrevor - Gerard Colgan
Saval - Darren Quinn
Longstone - PJ Magee
Glenn - John Kennedy & Tony Bagnall
Tullylish - Francie Poland & Mark McAvoy
Leitrim - Paddy O'Higgins
Annaclone - John Morgan
Ballyholland - Stevie Poucher
Clonduff - unnamed

cheers.
I think someone else is with Annaclone. John Morgan is training them alright but I think they have a seperate manager. Clonduff - unnamed... hugely talented team for no-one to take a punt on!!

Annaclone manager is Martin Mc Avoy from Hilltown and the Clonduff manager is Keith Kelly from Newry Shamrocks(living in Hilltown). All sorted now!!



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 21, 2014, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: downup on January 21, 2014, 02:29:50 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on January 14, 2014, 08:34:12 PM

Hope this is right

Burren - Paddy Carr
Mayobridge - Michael Walsh & Eoghan Woods
Kilcoo - Jim McCorry
Bryansford - Frank Dawson
Castlewellan - John "Shorty" Treanor
Downpatrick - DJ Kane
Loughinisland - Kyran Smith
Rostrevor - Gerard Colgan
Saval - Darren Quinn
Longstone - PJ Magee
Glenn - John Kennedy & Tony Bagnall
Tullylish - Francie Poland & Mark McAvoy
Leitrim - Paddy O'Higgins
Annaclone - John Morgan
Ballyholland - Stevie Poucher
Clonduff - unnamed

cheers.
I think someone else is with Annaclone. John Morgan is training them alright but I think they have a seperate manager. Clonduff - unnamed... hugely talented team for no-one to take a punt on!!

Annaclone manager is Martin Mc Avoy from Hilltown and the Clonduff manager is Keith Kelly from Newry Shamrocks(living in Hilltown). All sorted now!!

You serious???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on January 22, 2014, 09:42:35 AM
That's the information I was given. Big step for his managerial debut.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on January 22, 2014, 01:36:08 PM
True that Keith Kelly is the new manager.  What he like 5sams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 22, 2014, 02:18:06 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on January 22, 2014, 01:36:08 PM
True that Keith Kelly is the new manager.  What he like 5sams?

I haven't spoken to Keith in years. He's a good lad, played for us for a good few years and was a very skilful forward. He ended up going to Shamrocks but I would never have put him down as management material.....ever.....I don't want to be disparaging about the lad's ability as a manager...maybe he has come up through the managerial ranks in Hilltown and now has all the credentials to mix it with the big boys. I was just very surprised to see his name on that list.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on January 22, 2014, 04:52:53 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 22, 2014, 02:18:06 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on January 22, 2014, 01:36:08 PM
True that Keith Kelly is the new manager.  What he like 5sams?

I haven't spoken to Keith in years. He's a good lad, played for us for a good few years and was a very skilful forward. He ended up going to Shamrocks but I would never have put him down as management material.....ever.....I don't want to be disparaging about the lad's ability as a manager...maybe he has come up through the managerial ranks in Hilltown and now has all the credentials to mix it with the big boys. I was just very surprised to see his name on that list.

Good luck to him I wish the man well. Good to see some new blood getting their chance.
Title: Luath
Post by: drici on January 23, 2014, 07:06:12 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamrocksNewry
Newry Shamrocks GAA ‏@ShamrocksNewry
@KickhamsCreggan Our Social club will be open 2 hours before the semi-final clash with Fullen Gaels for supporters attending the game!!

(good news for anybody bustin' for a drink at ten o'clock on Sunday morning)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on January 24, 2014, 10:01:47 PM
Taking a stab at predicting this years Div 1
Burren
Bryansford
Kilcoo
Castle wallah
Mayobridge
Rostrevor
Clonduff
Saval
Ballyholland
Longstone
Annaclone
RGU
Loughinisland
Leitrim
Tullylish
Glenn


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Buffer on January 26, 2014, 09:09:25 PM
Although you are only having a guess at it,finishing top of the senior league means nothing as we see every year.as we seen kilcoo were quite happy to just make the top 3 then they always knew they hada chance. I'll say that I can't see burren finish as high this year and won't be surprised if the newcomers finish higher up the ranks than you expect...time will tell
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 26, 2014, 09:47:34 PM
Is Timmy Hanna on the county panel this year? He was very impressive for the u21s a few years back, if he has returne from Oz he might have something to offer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 26, 2014, 10:06:59 PM
Quote from: thebar on January 22, 2014, 04:52:53 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 22, 2014, 02:18:06 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on January 22, 2014, 01:36:08 PM
True that Keith Kelly is the new manager.  What he like 5sams?

I haven't spoken to Keith in years. He's a good lad, played for us for a good few years and was a very skilful forward. He ended up going to Shamrocks but I would never have put him down as management material.....ever.....I don't want to be disparaging about the lad's ability as a manager...maybe he has come up through the managerial ranks in Hilltown and now has all the credentials to mix it with the big boys. I was just very surprised to see his name on that list.
Just heard Brendan Loughran.. ex Ballyholland manager...is in the mix with Keith. Not a bad move...Loughran delivered a few trophies for the Harps and did a good job with Carrickcruppen a few years ago.







Good luck to him I wish the man well. Good to see some new blood getting their chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 27, 2014, 09:26:11 AM
Quote from: Buffer on January 26, 2014, 09:09:25 PM
Although you are only having a guess at it,finishing top of the senior league means nothing as we see every year.as we seen kilcoo were quite happy to just make the top 3 then they always knew they hada chance. I'll say that I can't see burren finish as high this year and won't be surprised if the newcomers finish higher up the ranks than you expect...time will tell

Not sure what club you are from and fair enough if that's what you make of it, but I would be seriously worried about the newcomers to Div 1. When Rostrevor were in Div 2 it was a totally different ball game of which they won most of their games comfortably. In that season Glenn and Tullylish were in Div 3 if I am not mistaken, they now find themselves in the top tier. Unless they have both dramatically improved I would feel they will struggle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 27, 2014, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 27, 2014, 09:26:11 AM
Quote from: Buffer on January 26, 2014, 09:09:25 PM
Although you are only having a guess at it,finishing top of the senior league means nothing as we see every year.as we seen kilcoo were quite happy to just make the top 3 then they always knew they hada chance. I'll say that I can't see burren finish as high this year and won't be surprised if the newcomers finish higher up the ranks than you expect...time will tell

Not sure what club you are from and fair enough if that's what you make of it, but I would be seriously worried about the newcomers to Div 1. When Rostrevor were in Div 2 it was a totally different ball game of which they won most of their games comfortably. In that season Glenn and Tullylish were in Div 3 if I am not mistaken, they now find themselves in the top tier. Unless they have both dramatically improved I would feel they will struggle.

I would also expect them to struggle but without doubt they will give teams a run for it, especially in the early months and at home. Glenn is a very difficult place to play in for one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 27, 2014, 09:39:04 PM
Paddy Power has listed us as 8/13 against Monaghan on Sunday, with 13/8 for an away win and 15/2 the draw. Those odds could easily have been the other way round on the strength of our McKenna Cup performances, but, with only two other home fixtures to come, we really need to get something out of this game. It is a tight division and points on the road will be hard to find.

Even allowing for injuries and unavailability, James will hopefully name our team at a reasonably early stage. If Mark Poland is fit again, it would give us a big lift.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on January 28, 2014, 01:32:50 PM
Does anyone know what has happened to the Down website, over a month since last update. Our senior footballers and hurlers have played 5 games and a word about them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Confused on January 29, 2014, 09:05:45 AM
13/8 is a good price for Monaghan. Think it will be ultra close. Does anyone else feel that we will struggle this year.  I think a good result for down in the league would be to stay in the division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 29, 2014, 09:44:17 AM
Quote from: Confused on January 29, 2014, 09:05:45 AM
13/8 is a good price for Monaghan. Think it will be ultra close. Does anyone else feel that we will struggle this year.  I think a good result for down in the league would be to stay in the division.

Yeah there are alot of teams of similar standing, a lot of close games. Down will need to win all their home games. But when you look at the fixtures you would fancy away wins in Laois and Louth and armagh are seriously struggling with injurys at moment.v It will be a hard league to call, as i say alot of evenly matched teams with probably only donegal the standouts.
A win on Sat night is a must.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 29, 2014, 12:14:59 PM
Snoopdog, we are at home against Louth and the away games are in Armagh, Meath, Galway and Laois. We have not beaten Armagh at the Athletic Grounds for more than two decades and the trips to Navan and Salthill will be very tough. While Laois are rebuidling, O'Moore Park will be a bearpit in the last round of fixtures if there is anything still at stake.

It is absolutely correct that a defeat on Saturday night would leave us in bother, as, apart from Louth, which is a derby, our only other home match is against Donegal. Our championship draw is completely unfavourable so we don't want to go into it after a league struggle.

It was noticable that Ryan Mallon was man of the match for Queen's in the Sigerson yesterday so he would be well worth a start against Monaghan.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on January 31, 2014, 02:06:23 PM
Team to play Monaghan -

1. Shane Harrison
2. Daniel Mc Cartan
3. Peter Turley
4. Darren O'Hagan
5. Ryan Boyle
6. Aidan Carr
7. Conor Garvey
8. Kalum King
9. Ryan Mallon
10. Darragh O'Hanlon
11. Mark Poland
12. Jerome Johnston
13. Donal O Hare
14. Niall Madine
15. Conor Maginn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 31, 2014, 02:24:26 PM
The team is reasonably strong evidence that Down are taking this one seriously. Danny Savage and Connaire Harrison may be disappointed, and Liam Doyle and Peter Fitzpatrick may not be fit enough, but it is otherwise a decent line-up with Benny on the bench. It is probably sensible for Shane Harrison and Brendan McVeigh to rotate in nets during the league.

Monaghan seem to have kept a couple of their bigger names in reserve, but it should still be pretty competitive. Hopefully the weather will not spoil things, although the forecast is not good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 31, 2014, 04:33:35 PM
Quote from: Gabriel on January 31, 2014, 02:06:23 PM
Team to play Monaghan -

1. Shane Harrison
2. Daniel Mc Cartan
3. Peter Turley
4. Darren O'Hagan
5. Ryan Boyle
6. Aidan Carr
7. Conor Garvey
8. Kalum King
9. Ryan Mallon
10. Darragh O'Hanlon
11. Mark Poland
12. Jerome Johnston
13. Donal O Hare
14. Niall Madine
15. Conor Maginn

Four of the starting 15 weren't included in the provisional National League panel. Quite an attacking minded setup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 31, 2014, 11:05:02 PM
Interesting team with a very small forward line against big strong Monaghan team played on heavy ground, makes for difficult game.  Need a good start to league so hope I am wrong on that.  Anybody any updates on;

Ambrose
Gordon
Rooney
Laverty

Them along with McKernan would make some difference to that team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 01, 2014, 12:11:18 AM
The availability of Dan and Ambrose will define our season, but we need to remember that they are both entering their 30s with an extensive injury record and nothing can be guaranteed. Although their club colleagues will be best informed, the word is that they are making a huge effort to get back.

Laverty is a little gem who will hopefully be involved in the league, while Rooney is not quite at the same level as the other three but is still a potential starter in the championship. McComiskey, on last spring's form, would be another serious addition, while Hughes has not gone yet, and there are a few signs that we are going to have decent competition for places in all sectors .

WGM's point about the lightness of our attack in wintery conditions against a physical and accomplished Monaghan side is a good one, but these are the days when you find out who has what it takes. A win would be huge for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 01, 2014, 03:06:32 PM
down v monaghan postponed until tomorrow at 2pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on February 01, 2014, 03:53:06 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 01, 2014, 12:11:18 AM
The availability of Dan and Ambrose will define our season, but we need to remember that they are both entering their 30s with an extensive injury record and nothing can be guaranteed. Although their club colleagues will be best informed, the word is that they are making a huge effort to get back.

Laverty is a little gem who will hopefully be involved in the league, while Rooney is not quite at the same level as the other three but is still a potential starter in the championship. McComiskey, on last spring's form, would be another serious addition, while Hughes has not gone yet, and there are a few signs that we are going to have decent competition for places in all sectors .

WGM's point about the lightness of our attack in wintery conditions against a physical and accomplished Monaghan side is a good one, but these are the days when you find out who has what it takes. A win would be huge for us.

Are you for real? If we are relying on Dan and Ambrose to make us into a team then we might as well throw in the towel.  We would all love to see them back but I believe their best days are behind them, particularly Ambrose who has had an horrific time over the last few years.  I would be more concerned with No.3 and No.6  We have no standout candidates for either position - Turley is a carthorse, he'll try and make a big effort but he's not a county full back.  Carr at CHB just wants to spray passes around but backs of the No.11 when he looks like troubling him rather than pushing up on him.  We still have the issue where the county management continue to play their sons/brothers which does nothing but bring pressure on them. 

I think it is going to be a long year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 01, 2014, 04:16:38 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 01, 2014, 03:06:32 PM
down v monaghan postponed until tomorrow at 2pm
[/quote
Seriously??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 01, 2014, 04:42:28 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on February 01, 2014, 03:53:06 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 01, 2014, 12:11:18 AM
The availability of Dan and Ambrose will define our season, but we need to remember that they are both entering their 30s with an extensive injury record and nothing can be guaranteed. Although their club colleagues will be best informed, the word is that they are making a huge effort to get back.

Laverty is a little gem who will hopefully be involved in the league, while Rooney is not quite at the same level as the other three but is still a potential starter in the championship. McComiskey, on last spring's form, would be another serious addition, while Hughes has not gone yet, and there are a few signs that we are going to have decent competition for places in all sectors .

WGM's point about the lightness of our attack in wintery conditions against a physical and accomplished Monaghan side is a good one, but these are the days when you find out who has what it takes. A win would be huge for us.

Are you for real? If we are relying on Dan and Ambrose to make us into a team then we might as well throw in the towel.  We would all love to see them back but I believe their best days are behind them, particularly Ambrose who has had an horrific time over the last few years.  I would be more concerned with No.3 and No.6  We have no standout candidates for either position - Turley is a carthorse, he'll try and make a big effort but he's not a county full back.  Carr at CHB just wants to spray passes around but backs of the No.11 when he looks like troubling him rather than pushing up on him.  We still have the issue where the county management continue to play their sons/brothers which does nothing but bring pressure on them. 

I think it is going to be a long year.

Is any of Dan MCCartans brothers in the Down supporters club??? Must be otherwise how could he be awarded Down supporters club player of the year last year if he is as bad as some on here would have u believe!!!

Also harsh on Carr and Turley.  Who would you have start in them positions instead ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 01, 2014, 04:51:19 PM
Fair play to the county board and all those involved in making an early decision on the postponement before people start to travel. The forecast for tonight is not great, so tomorrow may be a doubt as well, but at least we know.

Line Ball, if you think Ambrose's best days are behind him, you were not at our championship matches last summer when he was our best player against Donegal and in the first Derry game. Dan has certainly been unlucky with what amounts to a freak recurring problem with the same foot, but, at 30, he will still be a top class player if the injury heals properly.

You are also being very harsh on Turley, who was excellent at centre half last season and definitely capable of making a full back in the absence of McArdle and big Dan. We know that Carr is not a man marker, but, with packed defences everywhere, what he gives us is the ability to find time and space while breaking from the back.

It is pretty childish to get digs in over the relatives of the management, as any regular attender will confirm that Dan McCartan is our most reliable corner back and we know that Jerome Johnston is at the very least worth a run in the league.

We have had plenty of long hard seasons over the last two decades, but, if we get our best side out, and enjoy a little luck for a change, we are capable of giving it a rattle in division two.





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on February 01, 2014, 05:05:33 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on February 01, 2014, 04:42:28 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on February 01, 2014, 03:53:06 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 01, 2014, 12:11:18 AM
The availability of Dan and Ambrose will define our season, but we need to remember that they are both entering their 30s with an extensive injury record and nothing can be guaranteed. Although their club colleagues will be best informed, the word is that they are making a huge effort to get back.

Laverty is a little gem who will hopefully be involved in the league, while Rooney is not quite at the same level as the other three but is still a potential starter in the championship. McComiskey, on last spring's form, would be another serious addition, while Hughes has not gone yet, and there are a few signs that we are going to have decent competition for places in all sectors .

WGM's point about the lightness of our attack in wintery conditions against a physical and accomplished Monaghan side is a good one, but these are the days when you find out who has what it takes. A win would be huge for us.

Are you for real? If we are relying on Dan and Ambrose to make us into a team then we might as well throw in the towel.  We would all love to see them back but I believe their best days are behind them, particularly Ambrose who has had an horrific time over the last few years.  I would be more concerned with No.3 and No.6  We have no standout candidates for either position - Turley is a carthorse, he'll try and make a big effort but he's not a county full back.  Carr at CHB just wants to spray passes around but backs of the No.11 when he looks like troubling him rather than pushing up on him.  We still have the issue where the county management continue to play their sons/brothers which does nothing but bring pressure on them. 

I think it is going to be a long year.

Is any of Dan MCCartans brothers in the Down supporters club??? Must be otherwise how could he be awarded Down supporters club player of the year last year if he is as bad as some on here would have u believe!!!

Also harsh on Carr and Turley.  Who would you have start in them positions instead ??

I thought some of those people knew something about football.  What do you think, did he deserve it?  Based on the year we had last year there weren't many  candidates, never mind outstanding candidates.

As for No.3 and No.6 the point I am making is that James as not filled those positions with men who can do a job for us.  To be fair to him neither did Paddy or the Ross/DJ era either.  These two positions are vital to any team dynamic and maybe our failure to find a centre half and a full back is reflected in our lack of recent progress.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on February 01, 2014, 05:32:49 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 01, 2014, 04:51:19 PM
Fair play to the county board and all those involved in making an early decision on the postponement before people start to travel. The forecast for tonight is not great, so tomorrow may be a doubt as well, but at least we know.

Line Ball, if you think Ambrose's best days are behind him, you were not at our championship matches last summer when he was our best player against Donegal and in the first Derry game. Dan has certainly been unlucky with what amounts to a freak recurring problem with the same foot, but, at 30, he will still be a top class player if the injury heals properly.

You are also being very harsh on Turley, who was excellent at centre half last season and definitely capable of making a full back in the absence of McArdle and big Dan. We know that Carr is not a man marker, but, with packed defences everywhere, what he gives us is the ability to find time and space while breaking from the back.

It is pretty childish to get digs in over the relatives of the management, as any regular attender will confirm that Dan McCartan is our most reliable corner back and we know that Jerome Johnston is at the very least worth a run in the league.

We have had plenty of long hard seasons over the last two decades, but, if we get our best side out, and enjoy a little luck for a change, we are capable of giving it a rattle in division two.

Ambrose and Dan - it's not going to happen. Fair enough, you think they will be back to play at the top level again.  We all hope so but a man can only take so much and he really has to want to make it back.  I hope both have that drive.

No.3 and 6 I have mentioned in a previous post.  Both are wonderful defenders when they don't have to mark!  Neither can and neither have.

Childish digs, please don't insult me.  If Daniel McCartan is the best corner back we have in the county and his brother, Eoin, is in the top 20 players (as he frequently comes on in games for Down even though he cannot do full training sessions) well then I will accept what you say.  Neither is true, the Mc Cartan's have always thought that they run Down football but they are ALL second rate unless things change this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on February 01, 2014, 06:30:11 PM
Quoteas any regular attender will confirm that Dan McCartan is our most reliable corner back

MR, normally you call things spot on and I'd have a lot of respect for your opinions but I disagree with you on this one, strongly.  While Dan certainly gives 100% for the jersey I can think of at least 5 players off the top of my head who I would pick ahead of him.  The man also makes a more than valid point about Eoin McCartan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 01, 2014, 07:03:39 PM
Who would be your 5 corner backs out of interest??

Agree on Eoin btw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on February 01, 2014, 07:26:33 PM
Whitegoodsman, you are the man asking us all who we would play and why we would play them there.  Give us your Down 15 and why.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 01, 2014, 07:51:23 PM
Harrison
Rooney
Gordon
O Hagan
O Hanlon
Turley
Garvey
King
McKernan
Rodgers
Carr
Mallon
Mccumiskey
O hare
Poland

Ironically I wouldn't have Dan in my first 15 either but he would be close to a corner back slot and certainly don't think there are 5 corner backs in the county better than him.

Unlucky for Boyle, Madine and Laverty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on February 01, 2014, 08:53:04 PM


Harrison
Rooney
Gordon
O Hagan
O Hanlon
Turley
Garvey
King
McKernan
Rodgers
Carr
Mallon
Mccumiskey
O hare
Poland

Ironically I wouldn't have Dan in my first 15 either but he would be close to a corner back slot and certainly don't think there are 5 corner backs in the county better than him.

Unlucky for Boyle, Madine and Laverty
[/quote]
Quote from: whitegoodman on February 01, 2014, 07:51:23 PM


Harrison - yes
Rooney - corner back, no chance
Gordon - in an ideal world but too many outside influences
O Hagan - wasted at corner back
O Hanlon - good call
Turley - not mobile enough
Garvey - tough as hell
King - just ok, needs a big kick
McKernan - its not,all about him
Rodgers - class, leader
Carr - slow, big name, nothing else
Mallon - class act, one for the future if he cares (big problem)
Mccumiskey - gone
O hare - brilliant
Poland  - brilliant
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 01, 2014, 09:18:55 PM
Rooney played very well at corner back against Donegal last year and was also put on James Kielt as he is seen as one of our best man markers.

We rely too much on Polamd to create for us which is the reason I have a second playmaker in Carr.

I was under the impression that McCumiskey is on the way back, maybe I am wrong on that.

Give us ur 15 then. I will be particularly interested in who ur corner backs are as u don't want Dan, Rooney or O Hagan!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on February 01, 2014, 09:21:03 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on February 01, 2014, 07:51:23 PM
Harrison
Rooney
Gordon
O Hagan
O Hanlon
Turley
Garvey
King
McKernan
Rodgers
Carr
Mallon
Mccumiskey
O hare
Poland

Ironically I wouldn't have Dan in my first 15 either but he would be close to a corner back slot and certainly don't think there are 5 corner backs in the county better than him.

Unlucky for Boyle, Madine and Laverty

If you can pick a team without these three men, fair play to you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 01, 2014, 09:32:32 PM
It's good to have a bit of a lively debate about our squad with tonight's game postponed, although there have been some dubious claims along the way. Dan McCartan is always going to be an easy target, because he is the manager's brother and is neither particularly big or fast. However, he is as cute a defender as we have had in the last decade, his anticipation is brilliant and he usually plays a smart but simple pass out of defence. He was excellent on Sean Cavanagh, that season's player of the year, when we beat Tyrone in  2008, and his display on John Doyle in the 2010 AI semi was top drawer. His goal-line clearance in the final was amazing and he was as steady as ever last summer. He has the odd off day, and he is approaching the veteran stage, but he gets in our team totally on merit. Eoin McCartan is a different case, as he is a decent player who is around the same level as several other forwards and is a borderline selection for the squad.

Line Ball also specifically criticised picking the son of a coach, which is a dig at Jerome Johnston, a young player who has displayed considerable potential in a handful of games. It's time enough to judge him when he has a full season under his belt.

It is a little hard to see how anyone could suggest that big Dan, who has given Down total commitment since he made his debut in 2002, is vulnerable to outside influences, or that Ryan Mallon, an outstanding prospect who has represented the county at all levels as well as impressing for his university and his club, is somehow not too pushed about playing for us.

Darragh O'Hanlon has much to offer, but it may be premature to include him in our theoretical best 15 before he has kicked a ball in the league or the championship.

However, it is all about opinions and hopefully we will have a match tomorrow on which we can exchange a few more views.

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Post by: whitegoodman on February 01, 2014, 09:42:48 PM
MR give us ur first 15 if all were fit.

Take ur point on O Hanlon by the way but think by championship time him and Garvey will be the two wing backs. Plenty of energy and a bit of cut.
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Post by: SHEEDY on February 01, 2014, 10:04:50 PM
if all were fit I would go for;

McVeigh
garvey
gordon
o hagan
rooney
carr
boyle
king
mckernan
o hanlon
poland
rodgers
laverty
mc commisky
o'hare
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on February 01, 2014, 10:07:13 PM
The five would be McArdle, Boyle, Mallon, Garvey and Brannigan.

I knew someone would bring up the Tyrone game in 08 because he was absolutely fantastic that night but one swallow doesn't make a summer.  My view has nothing to do with him being the managers brother, I just don't rate him very highly.  However, I would never question his dedication or commitment to the red n black.

BTW, I don't particularly rate Brannigan either so you can replace him with O'Hagan if you like!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 01, 2014, 10:15:25 PM
Picking a championship team in February is an academic exercise as we cannot assess form, fitness and availability and there are just too many imponderables. However, if we had to play Tyrone tomorrow, in the unlikely event of having a full-strength squad, and having been asked...

Harrison.

McCartan,

Gordon,

O'Hagan,

Garvey,

Carr,

Rooney,

King,

McKernan,

Rogers,

Poland,

Mallon,

Laverty,

O'Hare,

McComiskey.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 01, 2014, 10:19:57 PM
I have seen Garvey a few times in the full back line and I think he has struggled there and is a lot more comfortable in the half back line.

I also don't think I have ever seen Mallon play corner back, maybe some of the point boys can confirm if he has. I would have thought he would be seen as an attacking half back or half forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on February 01, 2014, 10:37:24 PM
You'd have mccartan in corner back ahead of Boyle?he did do well on sean cavanagh in newry in '08,but that's a good few years ago now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 02, 2014, 12:43:44 AM
McCartan was as steady last summer as in 2008 and it is up to another corner back to take his jersey.  All the alternatives being suggested are decent players but really wing halfs. He has struggled against Jamie Clarke, as most do, but it is a while since another corner forward has got the better of him at championship level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on February 02, 2014, 01:11:07 AM
I'm not running mccartan down,I happen to think he's put in a good shift for down.i'd just be of the opinion that maybe it's time to blood some new young players to put together a team that can start to compete in a few years time.boyle would certainly be one of these players.he has the pace required to mark division 1/2 county forwards.dan has done well getting by on being a smart defender,but he's not getting any quicker.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 02, 2014, 01:28:58 AM
I am astounded that not one person has mentioned Benny Coulter as even one who just misses out/to come from the bench. A class act who is surely still worth a place in the 15 at some stage of a game.
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Post by: ardtole on February 02, 2014, 08:27:41 AM
With Gordan and Rodgers coming back from injury soon, id like to see the two of them in a two man full forward line, with Poland at Chf and Ohare plus one from McCommiskey, laverty or Hughes playing of the two big men.

It would leave an extra man free, maybe Benny who could have  a free role around Mf similar to how Enda Muldoon played in later years. It would be a similar system to how Kerry lined out with Donaghy and Tommy Walsh before he went to the AFL.

I cant see it happening but I think it would be interesting and not too many full back lines would relish it either. The likes of Ohare would prosper with the extra space and Gordan and Rodgers are intelligent enough footballers to lay off the ball and pick the right pass.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 02, 2014, 10:15:54 AM
any wor on pitch inspection yet at newry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on February 02, 2014, 10:32:59 AM
games goes ahead at 2pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 02, 2014, 11:15:51 AM
Good news that we have an early confirmation that the game goes ahead. Benny Coulter is fully capable of making a major impact this summer but most people think it is likely to be from the bench. If Danny Hughes is involved, the same could be said about him. However, we will probably rely on younger players to start the games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on February 02, 2014, 01:57:23 PM
Are any radio stations streaming today's game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 02, 2014, 05:18:55 PM
good result today or at least a result we'd all have taken at half time. Some ok performances but a lot of loose passing seemed to unsettle us. Lucky for us Monaghan never properly punished our mistakes ( a good few of those) at the back.

7 points down after the break the boys started to fight and the goal gave them the belief it appeared.

The plug was pulled on the score board at half time and I think this might have even helped us   ;D

Off the pitch the parking exclusion zone was far too big today extending all the way up to St Marys - no call for it. 

No more cash taken at the turnstiles - must have been a lot of leakage there over the years. Ticket price at £13 is too dear and the crowd wasn't big.

Good to get silencing the farney rabble at the end - would have been a steal had O'Hanlons kick gone over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 02, 2014, 06:05:15 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on February 01, 2014, 03:53:06 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 01, 2014, 12:11:18 AM
The availability of Dan and Ambrose will define our season, but we need to remember that they are both entering their 30s with an extensive injury record and nothing can be guaranteed. Although their club colleagues will be best informed, the word is that they are making a huge effort to get back.

Laverty is a little gem who will hopefully be involved in the league, while Rooney is not quite at the same level as the other three but is still a potential starter in the championship. McComiskey, on last spring's form, would be another serious addition, while Hughes has not gone yet, and there are a few signs that we are going to have decent competition for places in all sectors .

WGM's point about the lightness of our attack in wintery conditions against a physical and accomplished Monaghan side is a good one, but these are the days when you find out who has what it takes. A win would be huge for us.

Are you for real? If we are relying on Dan and Ambrose to make us into a team then we might as well throw in the towel.  We would all love to see them back but I believe their best days are behind them, particularly Ambrose who has had an horrific time over the last few years.  I would be more concerned with No.3 and No.6  We have no standout candidates for either position - Turley is a carthorse, he'll try and make a big effort but he's not a county full back.  Carr at CHB just wants to spray passes around but backs of the No.11 when he looks like troubling him rather than pushing up on him.  We still have the issue where the county management continue to play their sons/brothers which does nothing but bring pressure on them. 

I think it is going to be a long year.

Line Ball- take a redner- Turley was doing well at full back and rescued the game for us when he came to midfield. He has continued on where he left off last year- doing the right things right with no fuss and has become an automatic selection in our top 15. Carr was VG today and both Mc Cartans and Johnstones were among our better players. James won the tactical battle as the first half was men and boys yet we were unlucky not to win it. Hopefully a lot of Down supporters will see now why big Kalum is so important to us as he was sorely missed and may have another engagement next Friday. Cormac Reilly handled it pretty well overall and didn't produce a card of any colour ; is that a first between two Ulster teams ? Mc Kernan, Mc Ardle and hopefully one of our other more experienced players should be available for Armagh but a lot of balls shown today and in James we trust.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on February 02, 2014, 06:38:45 PM
Great game in Newry. Thought Turley was MOTM with Carr a close second, we were getting murdered in midfield until he came out the pitch. There's an argument to be made for Turley to partner McKernan in midfield - he has the same physical presence as King and offers much more in terms of overall play. Real Jekyll & Hyde performance from Down, most of the first half was brutal but a lot of players redeemed themselves in the second. Great to see Conor Garvey back, he should be an automatic starter in defence, and we will also see the benefit of getting players like McKernan, McArdle and Laverty back. Unfortunately for Shane Harrison I'm not sure whether he'll be seeing much more action in the league, had a bit of a nightmare and was really lucky not to get a black card after a mistake.

  Monaghan fans didn't seem the happiest at the end but in reality they should have put the game to bed. They squandered numerous goal chances. It has to be said as well that their number 14 was a disgrace, clutching at his face in a pathetic attempt to get Mark Poland in trouble when the two were niggling at each other. Good point for Down, would have taken off your hand if offered it at half-time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 02, 2014, 07:13:42 PM
That could be a crucial point in a tight division, and it was a display which reminded us why Down seem to enjoy putting us all through an emotional wringer. We were pretty dreadful for two thirds of the match, although in fairness we were up against a fine team, but we eventually took full control and amazingly could and possibly should have snatched it in the end.

James deserves considerable credit, as he may not have picked the right side in the first place but he made the tactical and personnel switches which turned the game. He also showed more fight than some of our players when a Monaghan coach infringed on his management zone.

Harrison is a talented keeper who got over-confident with his solo runs and short kick-outs and could easily have cost us two goals. He did make a couple of fine saves, but rotation alone should mean McVeigh's return against Armagh.

Dan McCartan was as steady as ever at the back, while Peter Turley was decent on the square and even better when he moved to midfield. O'Hagan had his moments but may be more of a half back and saw his talented opponent, McCarron, hit five from play.

Boyle had a reasonable day between the half back and full back lines, and he and  Garvey, who improved after the break, got fine points. Carr took a while to get going, and tends to leave gaps down the middle, but his attacking surges and precision passing are essential to us.

Midfield was a problem in the absence of King and McKernan. McArdle deserves a chance another day, but he was not at the races before his replacement and Turley's physical approach made a huge difference. Mallon may not really be a midfielder, but he has a great engine and a couple of his runs could have brought goals.

O'Hanlon showed why he is far from the finished product, although he had some flashes of promise and will improve. Poland was targeted from the start, and seldom got into the game apart from a fine pass to set up our goal. Maginn took it brilliantly, and generally worked hard without creating much for us.

Madine was a disappointment, and was ineffective when dropping deep, while Jerome Johnston saw very little of the ball but still kicked two important points. O'Hare took some heavy hits but kept showing for possession and his free taking was top class.

Ryan Johnson has great stamina and is another who will develop, while Eoin McCartan looked sharp and kicked a point with his first touch. Savage might have been introduced earlier and had little chance to get involved.

With Armagh also coming from well behind to get a draw, the Athletic Grounds will be no place for the faint-hearted under the Friday night lights.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 02, 2014, 08:06:17 PM
Down were terrible in the first half today, monaghan should have been out of site by halftime.  We got lucky in the end and scarcely deserved a point from it, but finally showed some passion midway through 2nd half and dug a draw out of it.  roll on friday night in Armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 02, 2014, 08:14:51 PM
Harrison - couple of decent saves but cost us at least 3 points
McCartan - ok at times but too loose ath other times
Turley - ok at fb but a lot better at mf
O Hagan - thought he went well, surprised to hear his man kicked 5 from play
Boyle - ok at hb but struggled badly in the corner
Carr - loose but thought he drove on well and was decent
Garvey - rusty and off the pace
McArdle - lost
Mallon - great pace and very athletic but needs to get into the game more and work on decision making.
O Hanlon - green, will learn from experience but looks very light
Poland - a lot didn't work for him but tried to end.
Johnston - looked very light but kicked two fine points
O Hare - poor for majority of game but did well in last 15
Madine - poor inside and out field
Maginn - hardly noticed him goal aside

Johnston and eoin did well when introduced.  If no injuries back for next wk I'd bring benny mcardle in to fb next wk, Turley to midfield, mckernan into midfield and Mallon to half forward line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 02, 2014, 09:32:21 PM
Darren Ohagan was not marking mccarron. He marked Chris McGuiness from the off and kept him scoreless!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 02, 2014, 10:04:29 PM
Thought that was maybe the case, o hagan was close to my man of the match and was surprised to hear his man scored 5.

I take that McCarron was the lad Boyle struggled with in the second half??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 02, 2014, 10:14:02 PM
Yeah that's him. Boyle marked him for majority of game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 02, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
There was a fair amount of switching going on at the back, but apologies to O'Hagan if he was not the main marker on McCarron. We don't look in great shape defensively, although the changes which WGM suggests for Armagh are the logical ones. Another option is for either McKernan or Mallon to be named in the half back line, but finding someone to close down Clarke will be fun. However, Armagh are also going through an uncertain time and our guys should not be lacking in motivation. Hopefully we can give big Kallum something to celebrate at his wedding reception.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Buffer on February 03, 2014, 09:10:46 PM
White goodman you must have been an unbelievable footballer in your hayday. Can't believe you went through that hole down team and ridiculed them all. You must have never hada bad day.just 1 example. I have played against Ohanlon and for a twenty year old he is far from light.another example is ohagan.execellent defender. Go easy on the lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 04, 2014, 09:19:58 AM
He didn't ridicule them all. He merely gave his own personal critique of how HE saw it.
Not that im defending the cnut or anything.

Harrison
One standout save but performance marred by jitters on the ball. Hate to see goalkeeper carry the ball out. Also kickout strategy and communication failed badly on sunday. Not his fault alone but he shares blame with his outfield players on that one. That was one area that concerned me.
McCartan
Dan give his all as usual and did very well in patches. Supported his attack very well on occasion but got little support when he delved into nosebleed territory. Will always have is detractors but its tiresome at this stage.
Turley
Nullified the threat somewhat of Finlay although you sense he could cross the line easily and 'black' card rule could be something he struggles with. His game centres on physicality and when we are lacking in midfield its pity he has to be moved to shore it up.
O Hagan
Regardless of what his man did, I thought he played excellently from start to finish. Appears to have the perfect attitude. Aggressive and brave and hungry for the entire 70mins from what I could see. Seems to know his role and play it to best he can.
Boyle
Usual mixture, very competent on the front foot, not so on the back. Not a corner back by any stretch. Again seems to have the right attitude and keeps going for entire game.
Carr
Aidan had another good game at 6. Calming influence when in possession and also shows strongly. Not a typical defender but he definitely hold his own.
Garvey
Definitely looked rusty and off the pace. A few handling errors, a few misplaced passes and clearly frustrated at times. Still one of our best defenders and will have better days. Again the new rules may hamper his natural game. Hopefully he will relish Armagh Friday night.
McArdle
Unfortunately for Gary it wasn't his best game. The kickout fiasco in 1st half meant he was getting no joy in midfield.
Mallon
Power, pace and penetration means he will always shine at stages of any game. Needs to hold down a starting position, make it his own and bring a level of consistency to his game. Unfortunate he wont be about for the summer, always a decent option to have.
O Hanlon
Yes he is light and yes he is green but he is also vastly experienced and capable and has seen a lot of big games at his age. May be a tad harsh but I think his turnover count has to decrease and again he has to start working on decision making. Yet to find his best position on the team.
Poland
Walshe was given a task and to be fair he came out on top I this battle. Hopefully Armagh see a more determined Poland on Friday night.
Johnston
Kicked few great scores from play on a day when we needed it. He provides an outlet all the time and works very hard.
O Hare
O'Hare wasn't at the races on sunday. On a day when we needed our forwards to do damage his return was limited.
Madine
No surprise factor this year with Madine. If he is to be the target man on the egde of the square then we need to play a system that exploits his strengths. One of many forwards on the day who struggled.
Maginn
Done rightly when came on although 2 bad turnovers spring to mind. Looked heavy legged but in fairness took his opportunistic goal very well.
R Johnston
The younger Johnston done quite well. Used his pace and athleticism to good effect. Didnt try any spectacular stuff and mucked in when it mattered. A good addition and will definitely improve.

General comment I thought we were terrible in the first half. We looked like a bunch of fellas thrown together without any sense of gameplan.
You would expect a decent performance this Friday night but I cant remember last time we bate the hoors, especially when it mattered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on February 07, 2014, 10:06:52 PM
Nice to get the win tonight against Armagh ,both teams stuck at it in terrible conditions and must be commended and some good calls from the Down management but i think the ref Coldrick was a bit quick on the whistle when Down were attempting to tackle and not always so when Armagh were doing the same-but again well done to all the players on a bad night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cavanman on February 07, 2014, 10:34:48 PM
Down were getting it very hard to get frees from Coldrick, watched that way on the TV
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on February 08, 2014, 09:02:32 PM
i see that Tyconnaught are quoted at 33/1 to win the Down senior football c'ship in 2014 on the Paddy Power website!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on February 08, 2014, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: washed_up on February 08, 2014, 09:02:32 PM
i see that Tyconnaught are quoted at 33/1 to win the Down senior football c'ship in 2014 on the Paddy Power website!!
Fair play to them considering they are in the intermediate this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 09, 2014, 12:41:11 PM
If anyone has Virgin media they are showing the Down Armagh game at 5pm on channel 551 ( and the Tyrone Mayo game live)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 09, 2014, 04:30:40 PM
Our draw against Monaghan is looking like a decent result after they hiding they gave Meath today. Donegal are obviously strong as well but we should be capable picking up a few points against some of the other teams along the way. The next game against Louth is a local derby, and they have given us problems in the past, but a win would leave us well placed.

We have shown plenty of commitment in our first two matches without actually playing particularly well, and we could easily have zero rather than three points on the board, but we have probably been due a little luck.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 11, 2014, 02:47:43 PM
Downgaa.net website is a disgrace.

We are now in Tuesday - 4 days and 29 years since beating Armagh in the Athletic Grounds in the NFL - and not a mention.

Is there no-one out there who would take it upon themselves to sort the whole site out.

Don't look at me - I don't have the skills!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on February 11, 2014, 10:56:58 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 11, 2014, 02:47:43 PM
Downgaa.net website is a disgrace.

We are now in Tuesday - 4 days and 29 years since beating Armagh in the Athletic Grounds in the NFL - and not a mention.

Is there no-one out there who would take it upon themselves to sort the whole site out.

Don't look at me - I don't have the skills!  ;D
I asked a similar question 3 weeks ago It would appear the county board men who we all know read this forum have chosen to ignore our queries
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 12, 2014, 07:40:21 PM
I see the stewards in the Marshes got an awful hammering from Kenny Archer in today's Irish News.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 15, 2014, 09:05:29 AM
Anybody know the start date for the leagues?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on February 15, 2014, 11:40:44 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 15, 2014, 09:05:29 AM
Anybody know the start date for the leagues?

ACFL Div 3 Sunday March 16th

ACPRL Sunday March 16th

U16F Thurs April 3rd  (tbc after the next CCC Meeting on Feb25th)

ACMFL Tues April 1st  (tbc after the next CCC Meeting on Feb25th)

ACFL Div 1&2 Friday April 11th

Betsy Gray/Joe McCrickard Wed Aptil 16th
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on February 15, 2014, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 12, 2014, 07:40:21 PM
I see the stewards in the Marshes got an awful hammering from Kenny Archer in today's Irish News.
Read the article, not just the stewards his anger was directed at our county chairman  didn't come out well either. I've had experience of these stewards lately telling my son he wasn't allowed to bring his hurl in as he said it was too dangerous. I'm sure that the same rule in Nowlan Park or Thurles. Kenny was right about one thing "clowns"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on February 16, 2014, 09:15:21 PM
Hi anyone heard about proposed changes to leagues supposed to be going back to old format home and away with 6 dropping from div 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Forgot me Boots on February 16, 2014, 10:09:26 PM
Carryduff getting a hammering herehttp://www.hoganstand.com/Down/MessagePage.aspx?TopicID=87093 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/MessagePage.aspx?TopicID=87093) and Bredagh play them at home in the first game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 25, 2014, 10:40:51 PM
 I hear there a few of the old hands back available for Louth game and competition for places in panel is very good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 26, 2014, 10:07:21 AM
The club are running a European Beer festival over St Paddy's weekend folks. Bit of info for anyone interested!

https://www.facebook.com/events/782809815079995/?ref=22 (https://www.facebook.com/events/782809815079995/?ref=22)

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 01, 2014, 03:52:14 AM
St.Bronaghs should hang their heads in shame, is there no one in that club with any wit..Beer drinking is one national past-time the G.A.A. should not be promoting, its a national scourge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on March 01, 2014, 12:55:06 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on March 01, 2014, 03:52:14 AM
St.Bronaghs should hang their heads in shame, is there no one in that club with any wit..Beer drinking is one national past-time the G.A.A. should not be promoting, its a national scourge
I would have to agree
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on March 01, 2014, 01:42:24 PM
Quote from: The Raven on March 01, 2014, 12:55:06 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on March 01, 2014, 03:52:14 AM
St.Bronaghs should hang their heads in shame, is there no one in that club with any wit..Beer drinking is one national past-time the G.A.A. should not be promoting, its a national scourge
I would have to agree

Should the popular fight night fundraisers not be held because they promote fighting?
Should the popular poker/casino night fundraisers not be held because they promote gambling?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fender on March 01, 2014, 05:41:54 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on March 01, 2014, 03:52:14 AM
St.Bronaghs should hang their heads in shame, is there no one in that club with any wit..Beer drinking is one national past-time the G.A.A. should not be promoting, its a national scourge

Really.....?? Catch a grip of yourself!! By your logic Liverpool shouldn't of taken advantage of Carlsberg since the beginning of the Premier league, Manchester United and Singha, the Champions League and Amstel and now more recently Heineken, Guinness sponsored the All-Ireland SHC since 95', now a proud partner, St Bronaghs and a beer festival.....the list goes on!! I could go on to justify my post but I think this is substantial!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Footbalr
Post by: supersub on March 02, 2014, 10:35:32 PM
Quote from: The Raven on March 01, 2014, 12:55:06 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on March 01, 2014, 03:52:14 AM
St.Bronaghs should hang their heads in shame, is there no one in that club with any wit..Beer drinking is one national past-time the G.A.A. should not be promoting, its a national scourge
I would have to agree

Not sure if this is a serious post or whether you'd had a few yourself when posting but I'm afraid your dinosaur attitude is way off the mark. There are many fundraising activities which go on in clubs across the country, most of which have been replicated several times, this is something different, one weekend, St Patrick's weekend no less, I'm sure the whole Nation won't turn in to alcoholics after they enjoy a few beverages under a marquee in Rostrevor. There's worse goes on at an underage disco catch yourself on.

Oh and here's some bedtime reading for you...

http://www.crokepark.ie/media/latest-news/2013/new-era-for-gaa-and-guinness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on March 03, 2014, 05:58:03 PM
Good performance from Down on Saturday night.  We are looking at a promotion fight now.  Game against Galway will be extremely tough given the hammering they took from Laois. Expect a spirited response from the Galway men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 03, 2014, 06:25:28 PM
I was wondering if anyone needs  a hotel in Galway for the match. I have a room booked and paid for that I cannot use for Saturday night. Up for grabs to any faithful Down supporter that is making the journey. Anyone want to make use of it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on March 05, 2014, 10:03:59 PM
Anyone see the fixtures? 2 games per week for first 2 weeks then 2 weeks without a game? Did I read this correctly?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on March 05, 2014, 10:54:38 PM
Yeah you did what's the problem with that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on March 06, 2014, 07:40:15 AM
Four games in first two weeks is pretty heavy schedule to begin with. Then it's followed by two games in four weeks. Thought it would make more sense to have one game per week, with exception of Tyrone game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on March 06, 2014, 09:37:35 AM
Club fixtures are made to suit the county team, always will be. Now if they were asked to play 2 games in four days there would be some kicking and screaming done but that's just how it is. The GAA is all about money at the top level and unfortunately club players are at the wrong end of the scale. Its a gripe I have had since the mid 90's and its only got worse since but we just have to get on with it as it's not going to change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 07, 2014, 10:26:18 AM
Quote from: downup on March 06, 2014, 09:37:35 AM
Club fixtures are made to suit the county team, always will be. Now if they were asked to play 2 games in four days there would be some kicking and screaming done but that's just how it is. The GAA is all about money at the top level and unfortunately club players are at the wrong end of the scale. Its a gripe I have had since the mid 90's and its only got worse since but we just have to get on with it as it's not going to change.

Our county board were happy to let the county hurlers play two games within 24 hours, so what would make you think they'd be overly concerned about club footballers playing two games in four whole days.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 07, 2014, 11:54:49 PM
Right lads we have Colm McAlarney as guest of honour at our dinner dance tomorrow night. Rather than the usual "let the famous person speak" we intend to have a Q&A with the great man. Mise fear an tí. I have a good few questions lined up for him....any other suggestions from the Down hardcore on here as to what I should ask him??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 07, 2014, 11:58:42 PM
5 Sams ask him does he think Murtagh deserved to win the dancing last week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 08, 2014, 01:54:53 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 07, 2014, 11:54:49 PM
Right lads we have Colm McAlarney as guest of honour at our dinner dance tomorrow night. Rather than the usual "let the famous person speak" we intend to have a Q&A with the great man. Mise fear an tí. I have a good few questions lined up for him....any other suggestions from the Down hardcore on here as to what I should ask him??

Might be a sticky one but I heard there was big controversy back in the day when he transferred from Liatroim to Castlewellan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 08, 2014, 10:16:59 AM
Who does he think was the best Down player never to win an all Ireland? Shorty? Benny, Tommy McGovern? I may be missing a few obv ones there too....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 08, 2014, 01:41:08 PM
I heard that before the AI final in 1968 Colm, as a 19 year old rookie midfielder, was asked who he thought was the best Gaelic Footballer of all time. He had no hesitation in saying Mick O' Connell. After the game, when it was widely recognised that Colm had eclipsed the great Micko, he was asked,'Well, what do you think of Micko now ?'. Colm had no hesitation in saying ;'I still think he is the best footballer of all time'. Just what you would expect from a class act. His performance in the 1978 Ulster final was for me the best from any Down player at Clones; 'Arkle' in his prime was a prince of Gaelic Football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 08, 2014, 04:45:33 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 08, 2014, 01:54:53 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 07, 2014, 11:54:49 PM
Right lads we have Colm McAlarney as guest of honour at our dinner dance tomorrow night. Rather than the usual "let the famous person speak" we intend to have a Q&A with the great man. Mise fear an tí. I have a good few questions lined up for him....any other suggestions from the Down hardcore on here as to what I should ask him??

Might be a sticky one but I heard there was big controversy back in the day when he transferred from Liatroim to Castlewellan.

I think I'll avoid that one if you don't mind ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiffler on March 11, 2014, 09:39:09 PM
Any teams interested in an u16 friendly please pm for details.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 12, 2014, 12:53:31 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 26, 2014, 10:07:21 AM
The club are running a European Beer festival over St Paddy's weekend folks. Bit of info for anyone interested!

https://www.facebook.com/events/782809815079995/?ref=22 (https://www.facebook.com/events/782809815079995/?ref=22)

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This weekend for anyone interested - hopefully all will go smoothly and won't be too many protests from the back benchers  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 12, 2014, 11:17:44 PM
U21's play Monaghan next Wednesday night, what sort of team do Down have this year? Many snr panelists eligible to play?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 13, 2014, 01:00:24 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 12, 2014, 11:17:44 PM
U21's play Monaghan next Wednesday night, what sort of team do Down have this year? Many snr panelists eligible to play?

O'Hanlon, Harrison and Ryan Johnston.

Shay McCartan and Caolan Mooney missing from Minor team of 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 13, 2014, 09:19:57 AM
How is shay McCartan getting on at Accrington Stanley?

Any word on the return of Gordon, Rodgers and McCommiskey?

We would have some sqaud if we hadnt lost Mooney, McCartan and Clarke and with the 3 mentioned above in full flight we could have challenged for a few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 13, 2014, 12:42:27 PM
Damien Turley started this season in the senior panel although he does not seem to have featured recently. Was he not on the 2011 minor team ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 13, 2014, 01:18:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 13, 2014, 12:42:27 PM
Damien Turley started this season in the senior panel although he does not seem to have featured recently. Was he not on the 2011 minor team ?

You are thinking of Declan Turley of the RGU.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 13, 2014, 09:26:55 PM
Thanks DF, that 2011 minor side will go down as one of our great might have beens. To score five goals at such an early stage and still manage to lose to Armagh took a bit of doing. The defence might not have been great, but Mooney and McCartan up front would nearly have been capable of winning an All Ireland on their own. With both of them missing, our u21 prospects are not great. However, if we are in trouble next week, we could do worse that switch Harrison from goals to midfield. He plays there at club level, and he is well capable of winning the ball and taking a score or two.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on March 16, 2014, 05:24:27 PM
Great win today, excellent recovery from last week's setback. We are doing rightly with a fairly depleted squad. Whether or not we win promotion, we could be heading to Tyrone feeling quietly confident, providing we work on improving and tweaking a few things from now until then. We might have beaten Donegal by more, but our defensive display was excellent. Keeping a clean sheet against that forward line is some going.

  There were a rake of excellent performances on the Down team, but the best came from Mark Poland, Peter Turley, Benny McArdle and Conor Garvey. McArdle did a superb job on Michael Murphy and should be nailed-on at full back for the championship; Turley is quickly emerging as a first-rate midfielder (the odd wayward pass aside) while Garvey was exceptional both in defence and going forward. Aidan Carr was also brilliant at 6. To be fair to the team, questions were asked after last weekend, and they've answered a lot of them in style today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 16, 2014, 08:17:07 PM
Good to hear it. In the wilds of West Kerry so didnt get to the game.  >:(  Always rated Garvey. Great player. Any word of Ambrose or Dan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 16, 2014, 08:37:34 PM
Ambrosevwas on the bench, have heard Dan is back training with the club, not sure if he on panel at min but will hopefully be back soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on March 16, 2014, 09:15:54 PM
Decent performance today but still room for improvement. A few wayward passes and a return to blanket defence in the second half were negative points but outweighed by guts and determination. Turley impressed as did Garvey. Poland had his usual great game and I thought McKernan was vital. Still cannot understand how Johnston gets near the team. By my reckoning it was the 34th minute before he got his hands on the ball. I think Madine is going well and very mobile for a big man. Add Ambrose and Dan to the mix and we could have a decent summer- hopefully!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 16, 2014, 11:18:28 PM
Donegal scored 10 of 30 chances, 12 wides, 6 short, 2 blocked
Down scored 10 of 21 chances, 7 wides, 2 short, 2 blocked
Decent performance with some outstanding individuals,Mc Kernan, Poland and Garvey, but i still feel we are flattering to deceive, still very lightweight up front, lack of consistency etc. We have the makings of a team, but are still a way off being a good team nevertheless we have consolidated our position in Div.2. with a chance of a promotion challenge and thats not a bad place to be at this stage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 17, 2014, 12:01:58 PM
Have to pay tribute to James, Moyna and Jerome senior; their team selections and tactics are constantly superior to the opposition management teams. Man for man , Donegal are probably better than us but as a team, yesterday we were better.
Jerome was always a cute, hard player who saw things other players didn't- just like James. I think Jerome reads the game very well and  the current style of play suits both of his lads. They are good, honest players and certainly deserve  panel places but for me they are not yet ready for a place in the first 15. There is some excellent forward talent in Down- some out of the panel now but should be brought back in- and the return of Ambrose and Dan will raise morale but they are not going to be back to all their power for a while.
I don't care about the results in Laois and Navan- like Moyna said today in the paper, they played very well in Galway but got nothing.
The most pleasing thing in recent games for me has been the performance of the unsung men- Owen Costello, Conor Garvey and Peter Turley for example. They have made the difference in tight encounters and allowed the class acts to blossom- Mc Kernan, Carr and Poland have been playing super stuff.
Probably the most interesting statistic from yesterday was that 2,625 people were in Healy Park. At the start of the year I thought Down would be lucky to get close to Tyrone as they seemed so professional- from the whole Garvaghey hype where they are given facilities/food/treatment like premiership players to their huge support.I would like to think Down supporters would never be so fickle to abandon the team in such numbers after one defeat and I know that James, Jerome and Moyna will never be intimidated by any challenge so it will be interesting  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 18, 2014, 10:15:16 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 17, 2014, 12:01:58 PM
Have to pay tribute to James, Moyna and Jerome senior; their team selections and tactics are constantly superior to the opposition management teams. Man for man , Donegal are probably better than us but as a team, yesterday we were better.
Jerome was always a cute, hard player who saw things other players didn't- just like James. I think Jerome reads the game very well and  the current style of play suits both of his lads. They are good, honest players and certainly deserve  panel places but for me they are not yet ready for a place in the first 15. There is some excellent forward talent in Down- some out of the panel now but should be brought back in- and the return of Ambrose and Dan will raise morale but they are not going to be back to all their power for a while.
I don't care about the results in Laois and Navan- like Moyna said today in the paper, they played very well in Galway but got nothing.
The most pleasing thing in recent games for me has been the performance of the unsung men- Owen Costello, Conor Garvey and Peter Turley for example. They have made the difference in tight encounters and allowed the class acts to blossom- Mc Kernan, Carr and Poland have been playing super stuff.
Probably the most interesting statistic from yesterday was that 2,625 people were in Healy Park. At the start of the year I thought Down would be lucky to get close to Tyrone as they seemed so professional- from the whole Garvaghey hype where they are given facilities/food/treatment like premiership players to their huge support.I would like to think Down supporters would never be so fickle to abandon the team in such numbers after one defeat and I know that James, Jerome and Moyna will never be intimidated by any challenge so it will be interesting  ;)

Just one of the many reasons this board has completely lost its credibility in the last couple of years!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 18, 2014, 10:26:11 AM
Explain.
Not that I disagree, just curious.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 18, 2014, 11:56:32 PM
Is it true Kilcoo are entering a fourths team???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 19, 2014, 06:06:57 PM
Quote from: downjim on March 18, 2014, 11:56:32 PM
Is it true Kilcoo are entering a fourths team???

Yes that's correct
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on March 19, 2014, 06:09:55 PM
who will you be playing for this year mdg??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 19, 2014, 11:13:08 PM
If your seniors did not play for your seconds week in week out surely you will have enough football for all the lads in Kilcoo.Or will Jerome and the Red be making a comeback ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 19, 2014, 11:52:35 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on March 19, 2014, 06:09:55 PM
who will you be playing for this year mdg??

Seniors looking a water boy so might take that up lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 19, 2014, 11:53:49 PM
Quote from: downjim on March 19, 2014, 11:13:08 PM
If your seniors did not play for your seconds week in week out surely you will have enough football for all the lads in Kilcoo.Or will Jerome and the Red be making a comeback ;D

When ya have over 70 lads training do the maths. It's a necessity. Big pick ya see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on March 20, 2014, 09:00:38 AM
MDG, do you really have 70 at training? if that's true that's some achievement for a rural club. of the 70 how many would be consider senior 1st team players?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 20, 2014, 10:16:28 AM
Including minors we have around 70. With our thirds team playing in highly competitive premier reserve division 2, the club had no option but include a 4ths string as many lads looking a game who maybe can't fully commit can now get that.  Is say 25 lads will play senior at some stage or another.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 20, 2014, 11:31:43 AM
Another poor result for our U21 footballers last night. Correct me if im wrong but I think we have only managed one win in Ulster at this level since 2010.

It's no coincidence that our underwhelming run since the start of the decade at Minor and U21 level has coincided with a rise in professionalism in relation to the operation of development squads across the island.

We are miles behind the Cavan's of this world in terms of how our development squads function. It is now near the end of March and as far as I am aware none of our teams at U15, U16 and U17 are up and running.

We are still adhering to the old system: clubs nominate as many players as they like, some of them turn up to a few trials and then a squad of 30+ is picked. Do a couple of training sessions a month and attend a few blitzes/challenge games and then wrap up come the Autumn. Process is then repeated the next year with absolutely no continuity or attention to dedicated weights programmes etc.

Our whole operation needs a huge overhaul. We need to look at what these other counties are doing, replicate it and improve on it. Otherwise we are going to continue to underperform at Minor and U21 as we have done since 2010.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 20, 2014, 12:26:56 PM
The minor set up is just as bad DF. For the last fifteen years there is a Down minor panel, training away, playing in the league games, might start of with 50 players then gradually cut to around 30. Then before the championship around a dozen college lads are brought in and some of the lads there all winter are more or less told to  f**k off. Very humiliating and embarrassing for the young footballers as they have their hopes built up at that late stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 20, 2014, 01:08:09 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 20, 2014, 10:16:28 AM
Including minors we have around 70. With our thirds team playing in highly competitive premier reserve division 2, the club had no option but include a 4ths string as many lads looking a game who maybe can't fully commit can now get that.  Is say 25 lads will play senior at some stage or another.
Mdg we would have over 70 including minors as well but I don't think we could sustain a fourths team especially when the senior and minor championships start. But good luck all the same and I hope you're the first man to win senior, seconds, thirds and fourths medals :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on March 20, 2014, 01:37:29 PM
MDG what league will your 4th's play in??? some going to get 4 teams if it's true in any parish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on March 20, 2014, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 20, 2014, 11:31:43 AM
Another poor result for our U21 footballers last night. Correct me if im wrong but I think we have only managed one win in Ulster at this level since 2010.

It's no coincidence that our underwhelming run since the start of the decade at Minor and U21 level has coincided with a rise in professionalism in relation to the operation of development squads across the island.

We are miles behind the Cavan's of this world in terms of how our development squads function. It is now near the end of March and as far as I am aware none of our teams at U15, U16 and U17 are up and running.

We are still adhering to the old system: clubs nominate as many players as they like, some of them turn up to a few trials and then a squad of 30+ is picked. Do a couple of training sessions a month and attend a few blitzes/challenge games and then wrap up come the Autumn. Process is then repeated the next year with absolutely no continuity or attention to dedicated weights programmes etc.

Our whole operation needs a huge overhaul. We need to look at what these other counties are doing, replicate it and improve on it. Otherwise we are going to continue to underperform at Minor and U21 as we have done since 2010.

The development squads are a farce and ran by farcical mentors.. Yes thanks for giving up ur time etc etc but what is wrong with the county players who are "qualified coaches"?? Why can't they take our underage teams and mentor them?? Young lads wound love to play for the likes of Poland, benney and ambros.. These are the people that shod be in charge of them not people with their own agendas on how teams should be trained or ran.. Cavan have made serious strides lately by all parties - schools, clubs and parents buying into the programme.. They start s&c at the right time and are developed in a football capacity by doing quality sessions and playing quality games - not Micky mouse tournaments and blitz days.. Whole thing needs addressed...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 20, 2014, 10:10:34 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on March 20, 2014, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 20, 2014, 11:31:43 AM
Another poor result for our U21 footballers last night. Correct me if im wrong but I think we have only managed one win in Ulster at this level since 2010.

It's no coincidence that our underwhelming run since the start of the decade at Minor and U21 level has coincided with a rise in professionalism in relation to the operation of development squads across the island.

We are miles behind the Cavan's of this world in terms of how our development squads function. It is now near the end of March and as far as I am aware none of our teams at U15, U16 and U17 are up and running.

We are still adhering to the old system: clubs nominate as many players as they like, some of them turn up to a few trials and then a squad of 30+ is picked. Do a couple of training sessions a month and attend a few blitzes/challenge games and then wrap up come the Autumn. Process is then repeated the next year with absolutely no continuity or attention to dedicated weights programmes etc.

Our whole operation needs a huge overhaul. We need to look at what these other counties are doing, replicate it and improve on it. Otherwise we are going to continue to underperform at Minor and U21 as we have done since 2010.

The development squads are a farce and ran by farcical mentors.. Yes thanks for giving up ur time etc etc but what is wrong with the county players who are "qualified coaches"?? Why can't they take our underage teams and mentor them?? Young lads wound love to play for the likes of Poland, benney and ambros.. These are the people that shod be in charge of them not people with their own agendas on how teams should be trained or ran.. Cavan have made serious strides lately by all parties - schools, clubs and parents buying into the programme.. They start s&c at the right time and are developed in a football capacity by doing quality sessions and playing quality games - not Micky mouse tournaments and blitz days.. Whole thing needs addressed...

Your terming of mentors as "farcical" is over the top and unwarranted. Most of these mentors are at least Level 2 accredited and have a decent level of experience and expertise to operate in this particular environ.
It's not necessarily the personnel that is the problem. It is the system.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on March 20, 2014, 10:22:35 PM
Quote from: thebar on March 20, 2014, 01:37:29 PM
MDG what league will your 4th's play in??? some going to get 4 teams if it's true in any parish.
East Down Reserve League which I also am led to believe will be 13 aside.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on March 21, 2014, 09:35:45 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 20, 2014, 10:10:34 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on March 20, 2014, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 20, 2014, 11:31:43 AM
Another poor result for our U21 footballers last night. Correct me if im wrong but I think we have only managed one win in Ulster at this level since 2010.

It's no coincidence that our underwhelming run since the start of the decade at Minor and U21 level has coincided with a rise in professionalism in relation to the operation of development squads across the island.

We are miles behind the Cavan's of this world in terms of how our development squads function. It is now near the end of March and as far as I am aware none of our teams at U15, U16 and U17 are up and running.

We are still adhering to the old system: clubs nominate as many players as they like, some of them turn up to a few trials and then a squad of 30+ is picked. Do a couple of training sessions a month and attend a few blitzes/challenge games and then wrap up come the Autumn. Process is then repeated the next year with absolutely no continuity or attention to dedicated weights programmes etc.

Our whole operation needs a huge overhaul. We need to look at what these other counties are doing, replicate it and improve on it. Otherwise we are going to continue to underperform at Minor and U21 as we have done since 2010.

The development squads are a farce and ran by farcical mentors.. Yes thanks for giving up ur time etc etc but what is wrong with the county players who are "qualified coaches"?? Why can't they take our underage teams and mentor them?? Young lads wound love to play for the likes of Poland, benney and ambros.. These are the people that shod be in charge of them not people with their own agendas on how teams should be trained or ran.. Cavan have made serious strides lately by all parties - schools, clubs and parents buying into the programme.. They start s&c at the right time and are developed in a football capacity by doing quality sessions and playing quality games - not Micky mouse tournaments and blitz days.. Whole thing needs addressed...

Your terming of mentors as "farcical" is over the top and unwarranted. Most of these mentors are at least Level 2 accredited and have a decent level of experience and expertise to operate in this particular environ.
It's not necessarily the personnel that is the problem. It is the system.

The "system" as you call it - works in other counties.  Why cant it work in Down.  And as for your level 2 accrediation - not worth the paper its written on - its another farce by the GAA to get money out of people so they can work with children.  The child protection issue i have no problem with but as for these courses - a load of b****x. 
Everyone is talkig about Cavan this and Cavan that - its not the blueprint for automatic success - but its a great start.  There is a system out there for Down to use - but until they get the correct coaches in place that have the "experience" of coaching at the TOP LEVEL - we are wasting our time.  Speaking of coaches I notice you didnt mention about the county stars taking the teams as i suggested - i would love to know what these players are getting paid for exactly.  Schools mentoring is part of their job description - how many of them show up, regularly, on time, with planned sessions that are interesting and enjoyable for the children in their care - from what i hear not very many.  My son is in a local school and one player is supposed to be there every week - but hasnt showed this year from september - its now nearly April - not good enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on March 21, 2014, 10:44:25 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on March 20, 2014, 10:22:35 PM
Quote from: thebar on March 20, 2014, 01:37:29 PM
MDG what league will your 4th's play in??? some going to get 4 teams if it's true in any parish.
East Down Reserve League which I also am led to believe will be 13 aside.

It's 15 a side but can be 13 a side if both teams agree it was anyhow. I'd say you's be fit to get 15 ok!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 21, 2014, 12:32:11 PM
Pauly2 id love to hear your suggestions to remedy this issue.
Can you outline proposals for a system or structure, the implementation of it, personnel involved, their backgrounds, experiences, qualifications etc.
Its fair enough recognising the problems and talking about them but I wouldn't mind hearing a few reasoned suggestions and worthwhile proposals.
Im not arguing with ye here or in complete disagreement with you on some of your points but really any idiot can shout and roar about whats wrong and who is to blame. Not many though come up with good alternatives.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 22, 2014, 10:28:28 PM
Benny not happy with some youse lads on here!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 22, 2014, 10:57:50 PM
Why
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 25, 2014, 08:23:40 PM
Pauly, is there any coach in particular you object to or are they all farcical?

Come on man let that anger out!!

😤😥
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 25, 2014, 11:14:01 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on March 25, 2014, 08:23:40 PM
Pauly, is there any coach in particular you object to or are they all farcical?

Come on man let that anger out!!

😤😥

Welcome to gaaboard you knob!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on March 30, 2014, 12:09:02 AM
Had a bad feeling heading down to this one, having seen the big difference that home advantage seems to make in Division 2 this year, and that was confirmed by a bad result in a pretty poor game overall. Staying in Division 2 for next year might not be a bad thing for the development of the team, but we have a lot to work on ahead of Tyrone in the championship.

Not going to criticise individual players/performances, instead want to highlight two of the positives. Peter Turley is really growing in this team, he produced another very solid performance tonight and pulled his weight all over the show. He must be kept at midfield for the championship. It was also great to see Ambrose Rogers back - thought he was excellent, and really showed Down what they've been missing. A performance full of powerful, direct running, capped by a brilliantly-taken goal. He might not be fully match-fit, but I thought his substitution coincided with Down's collapse in the match. Having him back and fully fit for the Tyrone game would be a huge advantage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 30, 2014, 12:59:49 AM
Navan was a game which could have gone either way, and a draw would probably have been a fair result, but we paid the price for missing chances and unusually - apart from the trip to Galway - we faded out in the last ten minutes. However, there is no reason for real disappointment as we played well for long spells and it was probably only some entirely avoidable handling errors in the closing stages that prevented us getting at least a point.

Meath are a decent side but there was a crucial period coming up to half time when we were completely on top, went three points up and should have been further ahead but let them back in for a couple of late scores. We also should have kicked on after Ambrose's goal, but in fairness Meath displayed more hunger in the last quarter.

Harrison's kick-outs were mostly good, with a couple of brilliant efforts and only one or two which went astray. His handling was fine and he had no mission with their goal.

Both our corner backs were largely in control. Costello is improving with every game and McCartan was as composed as ever and might even have got in for a late goal. McArdle, after an excellent display against Donegal, found the going tougher, although he does push forward well. He will want to forget the moment when he hit a sideline back towards his keeper, misplaced it by about 20 yards and give them a 45.

Garvey was effective, and a bit unlucky with his black card, while Boyle covered a huge amount of ground before tiring late on. Carr is always impressive on the ball but he tends to leave gaps down the middle and his botched hand pass cost us a point when we were still very much in the game.

Turley is getting better and better, and probably only made one handling mistake all night, although there must be a possibility that he might switch to centre half to tighten our defence and hopefully allow Carr more creative space. McKernan had a mixed night with some outstanding interceptions and some dodgy passes.

Poland has to be entitled to the odd off night and he took some heavy hits as he was plainly targeted by Meath. Maginn was probably our man of the match, covering more ground than anyone else and often picking out opportunities which no one else could see. He has got a couple of league goals this season, but he would be the complete half forward if he could manage some points as well.

The big bonus was the return of Ambrose. He was off the pace initially but the perfectly fair shoulder charge which took a Meath defender out of the game showed his intent. While he did miss an easy point, his goal was a gem, and, even though he ran out of steam eventually, the run-out will take him a long way.

O'Hare's frees were flawless but we can hopefully get him to hurt the opposition from play as well, while Madine has had better games but still worked tirelessly and got a fine point. The tackle which ended Laverty's night within the first ten minutes was badly mistimed but it should probably have been a yellow rather than a black.

Johnston competed effectively when he came on but one fine point has to be set against a pretty glaring miss at an important stage. The other subs appeared fairly late in the day, but Devlin's free on the wing showed what he can do.

Promotion is not quite gone yet, but might not have suited us anyway, and our league form has been better than respectable even before the final visit to Laois next week.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 30, 2014, 11:16:53 AM
I thought Meath were well worth their win Mourne Rover. Ambrose was the biggest plus of the night, I thought he done well after a slow start. The sooner Gordon is back the better, id like to see him at FF he would give the attack a different option and make things easier for Maginn and Poland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 30, 2014, 03:19:21 PM
That was a very optimistic take on things MR !!

No power, no threat, no scores. IMO going to Omagh we can only go with two from Poland, O Hare, Laverty, Johnston and Maginn and it would be the first two for me.  For all the hard work of the other ones where are the scores coming from?  The modern game is becoming more and more to do with power rather than guile and our front six currently lacks it.

I would be tempted to go with two defensive midfielders against Tyrone ( Turley and King ) and start McKernan and Ambrose in the half forward line.  As another poster said we could do with getting a target man into the full forward line as although there is a lot of potential with Madine he is still a bit raw and there is alot of responsibility on him. I personally would prefer to see Dan back at FB rather than FF as I don't think FF comes naturally to him.  I could mention another potential FF who has never been given a chance at his level despite being one of the best target men in the county but I could be accused of being parochial!!!!

I'd still like to see O Hagan and Rooney come into the defence before the championship and Dan and McCumiskey back at some point.

I don't want to sound too critical of any players as they are only giving of their best in an amateur game but I am just trying to point out what in my opinion would be the best options come championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 30, 2014, 04:26:28 PM
I would prefer to see Gordan at FF at this stage of his career. After a long lay off with injury, id worry how he would cope at FB and I think McArdle has done well in his absence. I just think the Ff line needs a physical presence and I think we would get more out of OHare if he had the opportunity of feeding off someone like Dan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 30, 2014, 04:52:12 PM
It was not a great Down performance but it was by no means a poor one either, so we need to look at the progress we have made during the league and see where we can strengthen up for the championship. Poland and O'Hare, barring injury, are certain starters in Omagh and Maginn on his present form will be there as well. WGM's point about Johnston and Laverty's lack of size in an already light attack is a fair one, and they may both be on the bench when the championship starts.

Turley and King could be too similar to start together in midfield, and we may yet need Turley in our defence. It would be brilliant to see big Dan back in any position, but it is going to be very difficult for him to regain proper match fitness in the time available. To increase our options around the midfield and half forward lines, we could do much worse than bring Mallon back from Brussels at weekends. It is a short flight and other counties have taken similar steps in the recent past.

McComiskey's return would give us a great boost but he has been playing for Dundrum without any indication that a county call-up is on the cards. If he is going to be involved, he would probably have appeared by now.

Tyrone were pretty impressive in Cork today, but it will do us no harm to travel to Omagh as considerable outsiders.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on March 30, 2014, 10:11:31 PM
There is one thing worse than a bad Manager and that is an unlucky Manager. For the last three years this Down panel has been static in terms of development. This is in spite of James undoubted talent and best efforts. Injuries and emigrations have thwarted his best plans and unstinting efforts. James has doing well too retain our position in Div.2. but without a serious injection of talent of talent over the next year our spiral will be downward rather than up. Dan and Ambrose will help in the short term but we cannot lay the groundwork for future success around them. I predict a very short championship campaign following which there will have to be a realistic and serious review of where Down football is going
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 31, 2014, 05:24:02 PM
Any results from Div 3. over the weekend? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 02, 2014, 11:13:04 AM
Although you would find it hard to believe given the lack of activity on this board, the Div 1 & 2 seasons start next Friday and I for one cannot wait for it.  Here are my predictions for the winners and losers for this year.
Winners
Div 1/Senior - Burren and Kilcoo as per usual to fight it out for top spot. Castlewellan and Bryansford the most likely to break the duopoly.  Bridge and Saval the best of the rest.
Div 2/Intermediate - Warrenpoint to walk Div 2 and probably the Intermediate Championship although An Riocht will contest and Liatrom (who are in Div 1) will provide competition in the Championship.

Losers
Div 1/Senior - Although Glenn and Tullylish will begin the year well it is hard to see them sustaining it in a tough league.  By the time Aug/Sep comes around I think they will be finding it hard against seasoned senior teams.  Strugglers for the last few years include Liatrom which I think should continue.
Div 2/Intermediate - Aghaderg to find the step up far too much - effiectively coming from Div 4 last year, and playing against recent Div 1 teams in Warrenpoint and An Riocht.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 02, 2014, 12:50:21 PM
I hear Burren Thirds couldn't field on Sunday, unusual for them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 02, 2014, 01:08:38 PM
Div 3 is almost a month into action and early season favourites Kilclief and Dundrum have suprisingly dropped pointsalready. Drumaness and dromara lead the way at this stage and a young ardglass team are starting to gel together and hopefully will kick on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on April 02, 2014, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on April 02, 2014, 11:13:04 AM
Although you would find it hard to believe given the lack of activity on this board, the Div 1 & 2 seasons start next Friday and I for one cannot wait for it.  Here are my predictions for the winners and losers for this year.
Winners
Div 1/Senior - Burren and Kilcoo as per usual to fight it out for top spot. Castlewellan and Bryansford the most likely to break the duopoly.  Bridge and Saval the best of the rest.
Div 2/Intermediate - Warrenpoint to walk Div 2 and probably the Intermediate Championship although An Riocht will contest and Liatrom (who are in Div 1) will provide competition in the Championship.

Losers
Div 1/Senior - Although Glenn and Tullylish will begin the year well it is hard to see them sustaining it in a tough league.  By the time Aug/Sep comes around I think they will be finding it hard against seasoned senior teams.  Strugglers for the last few years include Liatrom which I think should continue.
Div 2/Intermediate - Aghaderg to find the step up far too much - effiectively coming from Div 4 last year, and playing against recent Div 1 teams in Warrenpoint and An Riocht.
I think Bosco have some promising young players and should provide some decent opposition to Warrenpoint and An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 02, 2014, 01:57:58 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 02, 2014, 12:50:21 PM
I hear Burren Thirds couldn't field on Sunday, unusual for them!

At the other end of the spectrum we played Kilcoo 3rds last week and they had two lads playing who saw action in the Ulster club championship last year!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 02, 2014, 03:14:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 02, 2014, 01:08:38 PM
Div 3 is almost a month into action and early season favourites Kilclief and Dundrum have suprisingly dropped pointsalready. Drumaness and dromara lead the way at this stage and a young ardglass team are starting to gel together and hopefully will kick on.

Division 3

Team      Pld   Won   Draw   Lost   For   Against   Diff   Points
St Colman's Drumaness      3   3   0   0   71   25   46   6
St Paul's      3   3   0   0   61   51   10   6
Dromara      3   3   0   0   44   39   5   6
Bright      2   2   0   0   37   15   22   4
Ardglass      3   1   0   2   67   51   16   2
Kilclief      3   1   0   2   41   45   -4   2
Aughlisnafin      3   1   0   2   42   47   -5   2
St Michael's      2   1   0   1   21   36   -15   2
Mitchels      3   0   0   3   36   55   -19   0
Killyleagh      3   0   0   3   32   59   -27   0
Dundrum      2   0   0   2   17   46   -29   0

Big surprise is Dundrum, albeit they have lost to two of the favourites. Are both Mc Comiskeys lining out ?



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 02, 2014, 03:30:36 PM
I think both McCommiskeys are playing, Dundrum have two tricky games next at home to dromora and away to St Pauls who have both started well. Some strange results this year that very few would have predicted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on April 02, 2014, 07:37:34 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 02, 2014, 03:14:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 02, 2014, 01:08:38 PM
Div 3 is almost a month into action and early season favourites Kilclief and Dundrum have suprisingly dropped pointsalready. Drumaness and dromara lead the way at this stage and a young ardglass team are starting to gel together and hopefully will kick on.

Division 3

Team      Pld   Won   Draw   Lost   For   Against   Diff   Points
St Colman's Drumaness      3   3   0   0   71   25   46   6
St Paul's      3   3   0   0   61   51   10   6
Dromara      3   3   0   0   44   39   5   6
Bright      2   2   0   0   37   15   22   4
Ardglass      3   1   0   2   67   51   16   2
Kilclief      3   1   0   2   41   45   -4   2
Aughlisnafin      3   1   0   2   42   47   -5   2
St Michael's      2   1   0   1   21   36   -15   2
Mitchels      3   0   0   3   36   55   -19   0
Killyleagh      3   0   0   3   32   59   -27   0
Dundrum      2   0   0   2   17   46   -29   0

Big surprise is Dundrum, albeit they have lost to two of the favourites. Are both Mc Comiskeys lining out ?

are Ballykinler not playing senior football at all now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 02, 2014, 08:01:50 PM
I think Ballyholland will do well this year in Div 1. may well finished in top 4. they have the 3 Murphys brothers are all back playing for Harps!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 02, 2014, 08:18:48 PM
Quote from: umpire on April 02, 2014, 08:01:50 PM
I think Ballyholland will do well this year in Div 1. may well finished in top 4. they have the 3 Murphys brothers are all back playing for Harps!!

You could be right but we have a few starters goin abroad for the summer. We were hammered by injuries last year (4 cruciates) so touch wood every one else stays healthy this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 02, 2014, 08:33:35 PM
Burren are not going to be the threat of prior years as they have 6 or 7 lads not there from previous years all who would have played county football.

Kilcoo will still be the team to beat but Bryansford will be my dark horses as Dawson always has his teams ready and well motivated in his first couple of years in charge.  Also felt that Pete held them back a bit with what looked a very good squad on paper.  The bridge and Castlewellan will also be around the top 4but unlikely to win anything.

Can't see Ballyholland being anything more than mid table, they won't have any relegation problems but are still too reliant to Murtagh for scores.  They have also lost a very good manager.

With all due respect to both teams I would be surprised if either Glenn or Tullylish reach double figures.

As someone else said the point should walk div 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 02, 2014, 09:10:49 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 02, 2014, 08:33:35 PM
Burren are not going to be the threat of prior years as they have 6 or 7 lads not there from previous years all who would have played county football.

Kilcoo will still be the team to beat but Bryansford will be my dark horses as Dawson always has his teams ready and well motivated in his first couple of years in charge.  Also felt that Pete held them back a bit with what looked a very good squad on paper.  The bridge and Castlewellan will also be around the top 4but unlikely to win anything.

Can't see Ballyholland being anything more than mid table, they won't have any relegation problems but are still too reliant to Murtagh for scores.  They have also lost a very good manager.

With all due respect to both teams I would be surprised if either Glenn or Tullylish reach double figures.

As someone else said the point should walk div 2

Agree 100% about your comment about the loss of Shane. But, while I know a lot of people think he is a header, I really do believe we have the best coach in the business in charge now. Two things remain to be seen. Can he keep the head and can he match his undoubted coaching skills with similar managerial skills. BTW I'm not talking out of school. He knows what's ahead. I'm really looking forward to it and I know our lads are really chomping at the bit....bring it on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 02, 2014, 09:22:22 PM
Have heard great things about Poucher as a coach from lads from various clubs but there would still have to be question marks as a) great coaches don't always make great managers and b) he has been about a while now and as yet has been unable to keep any sort equilibrium on the sideline for a prolonged period of time.

We will see, it should be interesting anyway..........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 02, 2014, 09:40:01 PM
Burren have lost a lot of players and will struggle to keep the pace with the magpies. Dawson seems to have the Ford in a bit of shape and organisation so they wil fancy their chances.The town will find it tough to have a year like last year.Clonduff, the Bridge, the stone etc will trouble the top teams but won't win much. Kilcoo to retain both their trophies.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 03, 2014, 09:54:37 AM
Who exactly have Burren lost?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on April 03, 2014, 10:29:36 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 02, 2014, 08:33:35 PM
Burren are not going to be the threat of prior years as they have 6 or 7 lads not there from previous years all who would have played county football.

Kilcoo will still be the team to beat but Bryansford will be my dark horses as Dawson always has his teams ready and well motivated in his first couple of years in charge.  Also felt that Pete held them back a bit with what looked a very good squad on paper.  The bridge and Castlewellan will also be around the top 4but unlikely to win anything.

Can't see Ballyholland being anything more than mid table, they won't have any relegation problems but are still too reliant to Murtagh for scores.  They have also lost a very good manager.

With all due respect to both teams I would be surprised if either Glenn or Tullylish reach double figures.

As someone else said the point should walk div 2


I am struggling to understand how Warrenpoint will walk Div 2 this year as they were a very poor team in Div 1 last year and obviously out of their depth. In times when most clubs squads are being weakened with lads leaving the country have they been able to buck the trend and strenghten their squad ? I know they have 3 players in the county squad but sure they won't be available all the time to line out for their club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 03, 2014, 10:57:42 AM
Quote from: elk on April 03, 2014, 10:29:36 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 02, 2014, 08:33:35 PM
Burren are not going to be the threat of prior years as they have 6 or 7 lads not there from previous years all who would have played county football.

Kilcoo will still be the team to beat but Bryansford will be my dark horses as Dawson always has his teams ready and well motivated in his first couple of years in charge.  Also felt that Pete held them back a bit with what looked a very good squad on paper.  The bridge and Castlewellan will also be around the top 4but unlikely to win anything.

Can't see Ballyholland being anything more than mid table, they won't have any relegation problems but are still too reliant to Murtagh for scores.  They have also lost a very good manager.

With all due respect to both teams I would be surprised if either Glenn or Tullylish reach double figures.

As someone else said the point should walk div 2


I am struggling to understand how Warrenpoint will walk Div 2 this year as they were a very poor team in Div 1 last year and obviously out of their depth. In times when most clubs squads are being weakened with lads leaving the country have they been able to buck the trend and strenghten their squad ? I know they have 3 players in the county squad but sure they won't be available all the time to line out for their club.

Elk, the thing is Warrenpoint should have never have been so poor last year - it was bordering on shameful the way they performed in the last third of the league.  However they have been revitalised with their under 21 success at the end of last year and these young lads together with the older players including 3 county players as you say will be more than enough to see them home.

I keep waiting on Poacher to really make the big breakthrough as a manager so maybe this will be his year.  Have the Harps got the players for him to do it though??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 03, 2014, 01:30:27 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on April 03, 2014, 10:57:42 AM
Quote from: elk on April 03, 2014, 10:29:36 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 02, 2014, 08:33:35 PM
Burren are not going to be the threat of prior years as they have 6 or 7 lads not there from previous years all who would have played county football.

Kilcoo will still be the team to beat but Bryansford will be my dark horses as Dawson always has his teams ready and well motivated in his first couple of years in charge.  Also felt that Pete held them back a bit with what looked a very good squad on paper.  The bridge and Castlewellan will also be around the top 4but unlikely to win anything.

Can't see Ballyholland being anything more than mid table, they won't have any relegation problems but are still too reliant to Murtagh for scores.  They have also lost a very good manager.

With all due respect to both teams I would be surprised if either Glenn or Tullylish reach double figures.

As someone else said the point should walk div 2


I am struggling to understand how Warrenpoint will walk Div 2 this year as they were a very poor team in Div 1 last year and obviously out of their depth. In times when most clubs squads are being weakened with lads leaving the country have they been able to buck the trend and strenghten their squad ? I know they have 3 players in the county squad but sure they won't be available all the time to line out for their club.

Elk, the thing is Warrenpoint should have never have been so poor last year - it was bordering on shameful the way they performed in the last third of the league.  However they have been revitalised with their under 21 success at the end of last year and these young lads together with the older players including 3 county players as you say will be more than enough to see them home.

I keep waiting on Poacher to really make the big breakthrough as a manager so maybe this will be his year.  Have the Harps got the players for him to do it though??

If he's good enough he'll get it out of what he has
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 03, 2014, 01:33:35 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 03, 2014, 09:54:37 AM
Who exactly have Burren lost?

Gerrard McCartan
Anton McArdle
James McGovern
Eamon McGovern
Shay McArdle
Declan Rooney (if you count from the championship winning team)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 03, 2014, 01:38:21 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on April 03, 2014, 10:57:42 AM
Quote from: elk on April 03, 2014, 10:29:36 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 02, 2014, 08:33:35 PM
Burren are not going to be the threat of prior years as they have 6 or 7 lads not there from previous years all who would have played county football.

Kilcoo will still be the team to beat but Bryansford will be my dark horses as Dawson always has his teams ready and well motivated in his first couple of years in charge.  Also felt that Pete held them back a bit with what looked a very good squad on paper.  The bridge and Castlewellan will also be around the top 4but unlikely to win anything.

Can't see Ballyholland being anything more than mid table, they won't have any relegation problems but are still too reliant to Murtagh for scores.  They have also lost a very good manager.

With all due respect to both teams I would be surprised if either Glenn or Tullylish reach double figures.

As someone else said the point should walk div 2


I am struggling to understand how Warrenpoint will walk Div 2 this year as they were a very poor team in Div 1 last year and obviously out of their depth. In times when most clubs squads are being weakened with lads leaving the country have they been able to buck the trend and strenghten their squad ? I know they have 3 players in the county squad but sure they won't be available all the time to line out for their club.

Elk, the thing is Warrenpoint should have never have been so poor last year - it was bordering on shameful the way they performed in the last third of the league.  However they have been revitalised with their under 21 success at the end of last year and these young lads together with the older players including 3 county players as you say will be more than enough to see them home.

I keep waiting on Poacher to really make the big breakthrough as a manager so maybe this will be his year.  Have the Harps got the players for him to do it though??

It's not really to do with how good the point are, more the fact that div 2 will be of the lowest quality in many years IMO. I can't see anyone challenging them apart from the kingdom.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 03, 2014, 01:54:17 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on April 02, 2014, 07:37:34 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 02, 2014, 03:14:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 02, 2014, 01:08:38 PM
Div 3 is almost a month into action and early season favourites Kilclief and Dundrum have suprisingly dropped pointsalready. Drumaness and dromara lead the way at this stage and a young ardglass team are starting to gel together and hopefully will kick on.

Division 3

Team      Pld   Won   Draw   Lost   For   Against   Diff   Points
St Colman's Drumaness      3   3   0   0   71   25   46   6
St Paul's      3   3   0   0   61   51   10   6
Dromara      3   3   0   0   44   39   5   6
Bright      2   2   0   0   37   15   22   4
Ardglass      3   1   0   2   67   51   16   2
Kilclief      3   1   0   2   41   45   -4   2
Aughlisnafin      3   1   0   2   42   47   -5   2
St Michael's      2   1   0   1   21   36   -15   2
Mitchels      3   0   0   3   36   55   -19   0
Killyleagh      3   0   0   3   32   59   -27   0
Dundrum      2   0   0   2   17   46   -29   0

Big surprise is Dundrum, albeit they have lost to two of the favourites. Are both Mc Comiskeys lining out ?

are Ballykinler not playing senior football at all now?
from 20 March

QuoteA chara,

   Ballykinlar have formally withdrawn from the Down ACFL Div 3 until further Notice

For the ease of Administration , last Sunday's non-fixture between St Michaels

and Ballykinlar will be null and Void and each team will now have two Byes for the rest of

the season(bar St Michaels who will have one further Bye).

Is mise,

   Pól

Sad this but was on the cards for a while, County board allowed them to play 13 a side last year but they still struggled to field. Presume that any of their senior players would be free to play for another team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 03, 2014, 02:34:23 PM
Dundrum and Ballykinlar are the one parish I think, so id imagine Dundrum will pick up most of the lads who want to play. Im not aware of any deep rivalry between the two that might put players off joining. Some of the Ballykinlar from Tyrella direction might be closer to Bright or RGU. Hard to believe Ballykinlar were one of the top teams in the county in the 60s/70s, sad to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 03, 2014, 03:18:26 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 03, 2014, 02:34:23 PM
Dundrum and Ballykinlar are the one parish I think, so id imagine Dundrum will pick up most of the lads who want to play. I'm not aware of any deep rivalry between the two that might put players off joining. Some of the Ballykinlar from Tyrella direction might be closer to Bright or RGU. Hard to believe Ballykinlar were one of the top teams in the county in the 60s/70s, sad to see.

They play together as St Josephs underage so you'd assume no issues but I don't think they'd be limited to Dundrum if they wanted to play for anyone else in the area. Probably only talking about one or two anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on April 03, 2014, 10:49:20 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 03, 2014, 01:54:17 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on April 02, 2014, 07:37:34 PM
Quote from: passedit on April 02, 2014, 03:14:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 02, 2014, 01:08:38 PM
Div 3 is almost a month into action and early season favourites Kilclief and Dundrum have suprisingly dropped pointsalready. Drumaness and dromara lead the way at this stage and a young ardglass team are starting to gel together and hopefully will kick on.

Division 3

Team      Pld   Won   Draw   Lost   For   Against   Diff   Points
St Colman's Drumaness      3   3   0   0   71   25   46   6
St Paul's      3   3   0   0   61   51   10   6
Dromara      3   3   0   0   44   39   5   6
Bright      2   2   0   0   37   15   22   4
Ardglass      3   1   0   2   67   51   16   2
Kilclief      3   1   0   2   41   45   -4   2
Aughlisnafin      3   1   0   2   42   47   -5   2
St Michael's      2   1   0   1   21   36   -15   2
Mitchels      3   0   0   3   36   55   -19   0
Killyleagh      3   0   0   3   32   59   -27   0
Dundrum      2   0   0   2   17   46   -29   0

Big surprise is Dundrum, albeit they have lost to two of the favourites. Are both Mc Comiskeys lining out ?

are Ballykinler not playing senior football at all now?
from 20 March

QuoteA chara,

   Ballykinlar have formally withdrawn from the Down ACFL Div 3 until further Notice

For the ease of Administration , last Sunday's non-fixture between St Michaels

and Ballykinlar will be null and Void and each team will now have two Byes for the rest of

the season(bar St Michaels who will have one further Bye).

Is mise,

   Pól

Sad this but was on the cards for a while, County board allowed them to play 13 a side last year but they still struggled to field. Presume that any of their senior players would be free to play for another team?

Very sad indeed, but unfortunately its a sign of the times, just take a look through this years underage fixtures and see how many clubs are fielding 9,10 or 13 a side teams even amalgamated teams or fielding no underage teams at all. As I suggested before perhaps we have too many clubs in Down for our population. Is it time for some people to set a side the parish rivalries and club prejudices for the betterment of the game ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 04, 2014, 12:02:17 AM
Sad to hear of their demise.hopefully they do amalgamate with dundrum as they do at underage level.instead of looking on it as a negative maybe it can be a positive step for all involved in both clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 04, 2014, 12:07:54 AM
Quote from: east down gael on April 04, 2014, 12:02:17 AM
Sad to hear of their demise.hopefully they do amalgamate with dundrum as they do at underage level.instead of looking on it as a negative maybe it can be a positive step for all involved in both clubs.

That wouldn't happen. Dundrum now field on their own at underage as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 04, 2014, 12:10:26 AM
Would dundrum not accept players from ballykinlars catchment area now they have no club?i'm not suggesting an amalgamation as in changing names,but surely the players from ballykinlar would be allowed to join,no?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 04, 2014, 04:16:27 PM
Many clubs struggling with numbers is right.  Senior teams in general will be ok but the amount who are fielding at 13 and 11 a side at underage is unheard off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 04, 2014, 07:32:45 PM
I was at mass in Ardglass before christmas and the holy communion class were present, there were about 4/5 boys in the class. Ten years from now is when the shit will hit the fan, the numbers just will not be there.
Title: East Down football
Post by: No1 on April 04, 2014, 09:19:21 PM
Ardtole, I would say much like ourselves the shit has already hit the fan in terms of numbers at senior level and the future is none too bright. 

You can have the best underage coaching set up in the country but if no-one is there to attend then it's not worth two fucks.

Our senior manager stepped down during the week aswell!!

One question I'd have for your part of the world, how do the soccer boys have numbers for 3 teams???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 04, 2014, 10:09:27 PM
I think they only have two teams now no 1,  there was 3 teams for a good while but there was always a good few killough, downpatrick and odd kilclief man turning out, i think Ricky Kerr played recently.

I didnt know Pheilly packed it in, a good lad, things must have been bad if he packed it in this early.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 04, 2014, 11:15:59 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 02, 2014, 01:57:58 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 02, 2014, 12:50:21 PM
I hear Burren Thirds couldn't field on Sunday, unusual for them!

At the other end of the spectrum we played Kilcoo 3rds last week and they had two lads playing who saw action in the Ulster club championship last year!!!

I would love to hear the two names cause for a fact I know there was not one. Yes we had few FORMER seniors playing but that's where they are at right now!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 06, 2014, 03:48:35 PM
Sounds like a bit of a first half disaster for Down in Portlaoise. We are losing by 1-10 to 1-1 at the break, although we were playing against a strong wind. The commentator on Midlands 103 expressed disbelief about Down's defensive efforts and said we were playing like a team who had been on the beer last night. Benny started but got a black card after about 15 minutes. It was also surprisng that no starting line-up appears to have been released in advance of the game. Hopefully we can only improve in the second half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 06, 2014, 04:04:49 PM
Doesn't look good for our trip to omagh in may.  Laois are a poor side and for down to be so far behind doesnt say much about us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 06, 2014, 04:40:10 PM
We seem to have restored some pride in the second half and we only lost by three points in the end - 1-16 to 2-10. However, by all accounts it was a fairly patchy performance and not one which will cause much alarm in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on April 06, 2014, 08:24:14 PM
It was utterly dismal stuff MR, particularly in the first half. Not sure whether our players viewed this fixture as a dead rubber, or if they were affected by the fact that they only came out onto the field five minutes before the start of the game, but there were countless losses of possession, basic handling errors, misplaced passes and defensive lapses. Kickouts were abysmal, with Laois winning virtually every single one, and we were probably lucky to only be 9 points down at half-time, if that can be believed.  A better team than Laois would have destroyed Down.

What started as a promising league campaign has ended a pretty mediocre one, after three dispiriting defeats in the last four games. The alarm bells may be ringing before Omagh, although we had a poor league last season and recovered well to beat Derry in the first round of the championship. We need to spend a lot of time working on our kickouts, as Laois won a massive amount of possession and scores from our own ones. Much work needed across all areas, however, if we are to be competitive against Tyrone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 06, 2014, 08:55:50 PM
The commentator on the local radio station in Laois had the same opinion as Gabriel and could not believe how bad Down were. He was very critical of Ambrose for not tracking back, but in fairness Ambrose is some way from match fitness after his long lay-off. The commentator also said that our kick-outs were dreadful and handed possession to Laois almost every time. McVeigh is a fine keeper but his kick-outs can be erratic. While Harrison is still on a learning curve, he can get more distance and accuracy into his clearances and may well be first choice for the championship.

It was a strange league campaign starting off with a display which went from awful to excellent against Monaghan, followed by a very impressive performance against Donegal and a couple of collapses away from home. If it had not been for Poland's injury time goal against Armagh, we would have been level on five points with Galway and got relegated through the head to head result, so the margins were tight.

The positives have been the development of Madine and the return to form of Maginn, who got another goal today, and we still have a hard-core of reliable individuals who are capable of putting it up to Tyrone in May. However, we could be doing with King back and the chances of Gordon being available do not look great.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 06, 2014, 09:14:08 PM
If what I'm hearing is true then King won't be back. Left the squad and concentrating on club this year. Gordon might not be back either. Wouldn't be pinning hopes on any of them returning.
On another note Rodgers is lucky to be on a field. . Is a bonus really if you consider his injury history this last while.
Despite what some say I don't believe mcveigh will be dislodged. He is still the best about. Kickouts are a shared responsibility in my eyes. Not just his fault all the time if they don't work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on April 07, 2014, 10:38:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4i7me6p194&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Minors v Kildare in 1987,found this over the weekend.  I think James McCartan must have been around 16 I would say (could be wrong) at the time and ran rings around them all!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 07, 2014, 01:38:42 PM
Why do Kilcoo seconds and thirds not play at the same time?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on April 07, 2014, 10:15:00 PM
Any thoughts on fri nights fixtures
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 09, 2014, 11:26:39 PM
Loughinisland to beat Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 10, 2014, 10:15:37 PM
Well, the County Board have pulled another one from left field.  Our leagues begin tomorrow night and they suddenly decide to change the dates of the games from Easter Tuesday to the Saturday before this, which is Easter Saturday!  Its not much notice for people who have made plans based on the fixtures which were released by CCC a number of weeks ago. The reason being:

CCC have  had  numerous  requests to change  Fixtures from Easter Tuesday to Easter Saturday. In light of these CCC has decided to change the entire League Programme, both Round 3 of Div's 1&2 and Round 7 for Div 3 from Tues April 22nd to Saturday April 19th. Throw-ins will be 4pm.

This means that in a 15 game league, 3 of them are played in the first week.  Talk about pure lunacy and not much importance to the average club player who deserves better than this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 10, 2014, 10:24:49 PM
I guarantee you 95% of the players will be happy with the changes!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 10, 2014, 10:28:20 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 10, 2014, 10:15:37 PM
Well, the County Board have pulled another one from left field.  Our leagues begin tomorrow night and they suddenly decide to change the dates of the games from Easter Tuesday to the Saturday before this, which is Easter Saturday!  Its not much notice for people who have made plans based on the fixtures which were released by CCC a number of weeks ago. The reason being:

CCC have  had  numerous  requests to change  Fixtures from Easter Tuesday to Easter Saturday. In light of these CCC has decided to change the entire League Programme, both Round 3 of Div's 1&2 and Round 7 for Div 3 from Tues April 22nd to Saturday April 19th. Throw-ins will be 4pm.

This means that in a 15 game league, 3 of them are played in the first week.  Talk about pure lunacy and not much importance to the average club player who deserves better than this.

In fairness Lineball I know for a fact that the lads making the fixtures were under serious pressure from quite a few clubs to change these games cos people had plans for Easter week. The likes of Paul Blaney and the CCC simply can't win in a situation like this. IMHO in this case they have taken the clubs requests on board and have acted accordingly. They have a thankless job to be honest.....and don't forget in most cases are taking all sorts of shit from club secretaries, managers, etc while working on a voluntary basis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 10, 2014, 10:29:03 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 10, 2014, 10:24:49 PM
I guarantee you 95% of the players will be happy with the changes!

+1 . Delighted I'd say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 10, 2014, 10:40:28 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 10, 2014, 10:29:03 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 10, 2014, 10:24:49 PM
I guarantee you 95% of the players will be happy with the changes!

+1 . Delighted I'd say.
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 10, 2014, 10:28:20 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 10, 2014, 10:15:37 PM
Well, the County Board have pulled another one from left field.  Our leagues begin tomorrow night and they suddenly decide to change the dates of the games from Easter Tuesday to the Saturday before this, which is Easter Saturday!  Its not much notice for people who have made plans based on the fixtures which were released by CCC a number of weeks ago. The reason being:

CCC have  had  numerous  requests to change  Fixtures from Easter Tuesday to Easter Saturday. In light of these CCC has decided to change the entire League Programme, both Round 3 of Div's 1&2 and Round 7 for Div 3 from Tues April 22nd to Saturday April 19th. Throw-ins will be 4pm.

This means that in a 15 game league, 3 of them are played in the first week.  Talk about pure lunacy and not much importance to the average club player who deserves better than this.

In fairness Lineball I know for a fact that the lads making the fixtures were under serious pressure from quite a few clubs to change these games cos people had plans for Easter week. The likes of Paul Blaney and the CCC simply can't win in a situation like this. IMHO in this case they have taken the clubs requests on board and have acted accordingly. They have a thankless job to be honest.....and don't forget in most cases are taking all sorts of shit from club secretaries, managers, etc while working on a voluntary basis.

From what I hear, your club was leading the charge for a change because Poacher has a few days holiday planned and was going to miss the Tuesday game.

I'm sure clubs have problems with some dates but why leave it so long to make the change, that is the issue I have.  Lads may have sorted a few days away, work shifts etc based on the original fixtures and may now have to try to get things changed for Easter Saturday.  The timing of this change is brutal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 10, 2014, 10:46:50 PM
I blame Poacher as well. It's always his fault.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 10, 2014, 11:28:33 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 10, 2014, 10:46:50 PM
I blame Poacher as well. It's always his fault.  ;)
;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 10, 2014, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 10, 2014, 10:40:28 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 10, 2014, 10:29:03 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 10, 2014, 10:24:49 PM
I guarantee you 95% of the players will be happy with the changes!

+1 . Delighted I'd say.
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 10, 2014, 10:28:20 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 10, 2014, 10:15:37 PM
Well, the County Board have pulled another one from left field.  Our leagues begin tomorrow night and they suddenly decide to change the dates of the games from Easter Tuesday to the Saturday before this, which is Easter Saturday!  Its not much notice for people who have made plans based on the fixtures which were released by CCC a number of weeks ago. The reason being:

CCC have  had  numerous  requests to change  Fixtures from Easter Tuesday to Easter Saturday. In light of these CCC has decided to change the entire League Programme, both Round 3 of Div's 1&2 and Round 7 for Div 3 from Tues April 22nd to Saturday April 19th. Throw-ins will be 4pm.

This means that in a 15 game league, 3 of them are played in the first week.  Talk about pure lunacy and not much importance to the average club player who deserves better than this.

In fairness Lineball I know for a fact that the lads making the fixtures were under serious pressure from quite a few clubs to change these games cos people had plans for Easter week. The likes of Paul Blaney and the CCC simply can't win in a situation like this. IMHO in this case they have taken the clubs requests on board and have acted accordingly. They have a thankless job to be honest.....and don't forget in most cases are taking all sorts of shit from club secretaries, managers, etc while working on a voluntary basis.

From what I hear, your club was leading the charge for a change because Poacher has a few days holiday planned and was going to miss the Tuesday game.

I'm sure clubs have problems with some dates but why leave it so long to make the change, that is the issue I have.  Lads may have sorted a few days away, work shifts etc based on the original fixtures and may now have to try to get things changed for Easter Saturday.  The timing of this change is brutal.
I'd love to know what club you're with and their opinion on an Easter Tuesday fixture?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on April 11, 2014, 07:01:23 AM
i dont think he has an issue with when the game is played.  its the changing of games at very short notice. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 11, 2014, 10:57:33 AM
Why the rush to play so many games in a short space of time? I guarentee the Irish news will feature at least two county players injuries in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 11, 2014, 03:02:36 PM
It is always the way at the start of the season. League still won't finish when it is supposed to so makes no odds really.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on April 11, 2014, 03:37:25 PM
The change cannot be enforced at this stage - why did they have to change the whole series?
Think back to All Ireland Final weekend and clubs invited to Kilmacud were not allowed to change their games irrespective of the reason and this came from CCC......i would be aware of this as we were forced to play rostrevor when we asked for a postponement.
I know this proposed change goes against our plans and players are away. :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on April 11, 2014, 04:28:53 PM
Just brilliant. Picked up a knock last week and will miss first 3 games :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 11, 2014, 08:15:48 PM
ACFL Div 1

Glenn 0:15 Annaclone 0:08

Annaclone blown away by Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 11, 2014, 08:30:56 PM
clonduff beat tullylish with the last kick of the game. 1-11 to 3-4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 11, 2014, 09:08:20 PM
Mb 2.11 saval 3.14 we were eight points down with 12 to go. Then we got a man sent off and played excellent to salvage a draw. A very entertaining game and some excellent goals. Niall madine scored two crackers while Benny changed the game when going to midfield. Danny played the whole game and looked in good nick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on April 11, 2014, 10:12:53 PM
Ballyholland 0.10 Bryansford 2.11
Tough battle - Stevie Poacher gets 100 % from them lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on April 11, 2014, 10:13:49 PM
Quote from: general on April 11, 2014, 08:15:48 PM
ACFL Div 1

Glenn 0:15 Annaclone 0:08

Annaclone blown away by Glenn

Great start for Glenn - some class football played. Now for Saval and Burren next week!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 11, 2014, 10:39:25 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 10, 2014, 11:30:09 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 10, 2014, 10:40:28 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 10, 2014, 10:29:03 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 10, 2014, 10:24:49 PM
I guarantee you 95% of the players will be happy with the changes!

+1 . Delighted I'd say.
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 10, 2014, 10:28:20 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 10, 2014, 10:15:37 PM
Well, the County Board have pulled another one from left field.  Our leagues begin tomorrow night and they suddenly decide to change the dates of the games from Easter Tuesday to the Saturday before this, which is Easter Saturday!  Its not much notice for people who have made plans based on the fixtures which were released by CCC a number of weeks ago. The reason being:

CCC have  had  numerous  requests to change  Fixtures from Easter Tuesday to Easter Saturday. In light of these CCC has decided to change the entire League Programme, both Round 3 of Div's 1&2 and Round 7 for Div 3 from Tues April 22nd to Saturday April 19th. Throw-ins will be 4pm.

This means that in a 15 game league, 3 of them are played in the first week.  Talk about pure lunacy and not much importance to the average club player who deserves better than this.

In fairness Lineball I know for a fact that the lads making the fixtures were under serious pressure from quite a few clubs to change these games cos people had plans for Easter week. The likes of Paul Blaney and the CCC simply can't win in a situation like this. IMHO in this case they have taken the clubs requests on board and have acted accordingly. They have a thankless job to be honest.....and don't forget in most cases are taking all sorts of shit from club secretaries, managers, etc while working on a voluntary basis.

From what I hear, your club was leading the charge for a change because Poacher has a few days holiday planned and was going to miss the Tuesday game.

I'm sure clubs have problems with some dates but why leave it so long to make the change, that is the issue I have.  Lads may have sorted a few days away, work shifts etc based on the original fixtures and may now have to try to get things changed for Easter Saturday.  The timing of this change is brutal.
I'd love to know what club you're with and their opinion on an Easter Tuesday fixture?

We always have games on Easter Monday or Tuesday EVERY year and so teams are prepared for this.  We have NEVER played games on an Easter Saturday before or maybe someone will tell me otherwise.  If you had read my posts you might see that it is not the dates of the games but the lateness of the fixture change which is the problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 11, 2014, 11:07:11 PM
Tonights results

DIVISION 1

MAYOBRIDGE 2-14 V 3-11 SAVAL
LIATROIM 1-6 V 0-16 ROSTREVOR
RGU DOWNPATRICK 2-9 V 0-13 LONGSTONE
LOUGHINISLAND 0-9 V 3-11 CASTLEWELLAN
KILCOO 1-16 V 2-8 BURREN
BALLYHOLLAND 0-10 V 2-11 BRYANSFORD
GLENN 0-15 V 0-8 ANNACLONE

DIVISION 2

DRUMGATH 1-4 V 2-16 CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA
NEWRY SHAMROCKS 0-4 V 0-7 ST JOHN BOSCO
AN RÍOCHT 4-13 V 1-11 ST JOHN'S
SAUL 1-11 V 0-12 DARRAGH CROSS
GLASDRUMMAN 1-5 V 0-10 CLANN NA BANNA
BREDAGH 1-8 V 0-11 CARRYDUFF
ATTICALL 0-7 V 0-14 BALLYMARTIN
AGHADERG 1-9 V 3-11 TECONNAUGHT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 12, 2014, 02:12:47 AM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on April 11, 2014, 10:12:53 PM
Ballyholland 0.10 Bryansford 2.11
Tough battle - Stevie Poacher gets 100 % from them lads.
We won't meet a team much better than that this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on April 12, 2014, 10:02:49 AM
Line Ball, there's a Division 3 in Down too. If your putting up the scores it's a bit disrespectful leaving them out.

O'Neills Down Division 3

St Michael's 0-8 v 1-16 Mitchel's
Killyleagh 1-7 v 4-21 Kilclief
Dromara 0-10 v 0-7 Dromara
Ardglass 0-7 v 1-14 Bright
St Paul's 1-11 v 1-15 Dundrum
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 12, 2014, 10:06:41 AM
What has happened to Ballykinlar? They aren't in the football league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 12, 2014, 10:19:01 AM
They are gone, see page 1499. Sad to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 12, 2014, 11:36:07 AM
Thanks No 1. I missed that. As you say it's sad to see. Hopefully they can come back like Killyleagh & The fin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 12, 2014, 12:52:11 PM
Always a tight one between Dromara and Dromara
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 12, 2014, 01:27:23 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on April 12, 2014, 10:02:49 AM
Line Ball, there's a Division 3 in Down too. If your putting up the scores it's a bit disrespectful leaving them out.

O'Neills Down Division 3

St Michael's 0-8 v 1-16 Mitchel's
Killyleagh 1-7 v 4-21 Kilclief
Dromara 0-10 v 0-7 Dromara
Ardglass 0-7 v 1-14 Bright
St Paul's 1-11 v 1-15 Dundrum

I'm sure Dromara dread that fixture every year - it's always too close to call. Well done Dromara, I heard it was a game of two halves!

Quote from: Lecale2 on April 12, 2014, 10:06:41 AM
What has happened to Ballykinlar? They aren't in the football league.
Ballykinlar are still in the League.  The County Board won't let them fold and have put Johnny Mc Cumiskey and Mickey Mc Veigh in charge of them just to keep them going.  Not sure what the deal is but its a very dangerous precident to set, what will happen next year if another team is struggling to field, will they also pay more men to take over that club as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 12, 2014, 01:52:23 PM
The county board is surely entitled to make every reasonable effort to keep one of our most famous clubs alive and bringing in a couple of respected figures to help out is a logical move. Many people will be able to remember when Ballykinlar had just about the best team in Down, obviously built around Paddy Doherty, won a couple of division one titles and lost two senior finals in the 1960s.

Unfortunately, it has been clear for a while that the numbers are against them. It is worth making a last effort to see if there is any hope of sustaining a playing future there, but it is hard to be optimistic. While amalgamations are never easy, a formal link with Dundrum may be the only way forward. The way population trends are going, Ballykinlar are unlikely to be our only club looking at tough options before too long.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 12, 2014, 02:15:29 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 12, 2014, 01:52:23 PM
The county board is surely entitled to make every reasonable effort to keep one of our most famous clubs alive and bringing in a couple of respected figures to help out is a logical move. Many people will be able to remember when Ballykinlar had just about the best team in Down, obviously built around Paddy Doherty, won a couple of division one titles and lost two senior finals in the 1960s.

Unfortunately, it has been clear for a while that the numbers are against them. It is worth making a last effort to see if there is any hope of sustaining a playing future there, but it is hard to be optimistic. While amalgamations are never easy, a formal link with Dundrum may be the only way forward. The way population trends are going, Ballykinlar are unlikely to be our only club looking at tough options before too long.

Everything should be done to preserve a club as a single entity. Amalgamation with Dundrum will not happen and the support that the county board are giving Ballykinlar needs to be maintained to give them every chance of surviving.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on April 12, 2014, 02:22:56 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 12, 2014, 02:15:29 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 12, 2014, 01:52:23 PM
The county board is surely entitled to make every reasonable effort to keep one of our most famous clubs alive and bringing in a couple of respected figures to help out is a logical move. Many people will be able to remember when Ballykinlar had just about the best team in Down, obviously built around Paddy Doherty, won a couple of division one titles and lost two senior finals in the 1960s.

Unfortunately, it has been clear for a while that the numbers are against them. It is worth making a last effort to see if there is any hope of sustaining a playing future there, but it is hard to be optimistic. While amalgamations are never easy, a formal link with Dundrum may be the only way forward. The way population trends are going, Ballykinlar are unlikely to be our only club looking at tough options before too long.

Everything should be done to preserve a club as a single entity. Amalgamation with Dundrum will not happen and the support that the county board are giving Ballykinlar needs to be maintained to give them every chance of surviving.

In life, politics, sport you could nor should never rule anything in or out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 12, 2014, 02:50:24 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on April 12, 2014, 02:15:29 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 12, 2014, 01:52:23 PM
The county board is surely entitled to make every reasonable effort to keep one of our most famous clubs alive and bringing in a couple of respected figures to help out is a logical move. Many people will be able to remember when Ballykinlar had just about the best team in Down, obviously built around Paddy Doherty, won a couple of division one titles and lost two senior finals in the 1960s.

Unfortunately, it has been clear for a while that the numbers are against them. It is worth making a last effort to see if there is any hope of sustaining a playing future there, but it is hard to be optimistic. While amalgamations are never easy, a formal link with Dundrum may be the only way forward. The way population trends are going, Ballykinlar are unlikely to be our only club looking at tough options before too long.


Everything should be done to preserve a club as a single entity. Amalgamation with Dundrum will not happen and the support that the county board are giving Ballykinlar needs to be maintained to give them every chance of surviving.

As a Dundrum man, DownFanatic, would I be right in saying that your club and Ballykinlar don't pull that well.  I know you are both in the same parish and have had amalgamations down the years but the relationship wouldn't be that great between the two clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: hectorsheroes on April 13, 2014, 03:09:38 AM
Sky sports versus ballykinlar - up ballykinlar - hello gaa where are you now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 14, 2014, 03:32:53 PM
Some classic games tonight in Div1.

Bridge v Burren - Feisty game - Burren to take the spoils
Kilcoo v Castlewellan - Even feistier I reckon with the Town upsetting the champs.
Saval v Glenn - Renewal of old rivalry with Saval bound to hold the upper hand
Bryansford v Downpatrick - Historic game with Ford to continue their good form.
Rostrevor v Clonduff - Not the spiciest of derbies but still a nice one - a draw could be the result
Annaclone v Ballyholland - Poor start for each side but expect a fight back from the home side as harps suffer again
Tullylish v Loughinisland - Tullylish narrowly lost out in their first game and they will put up another good display here and may take the points.
Longstone v Liatrom - Both lost their first games but stones would appear to have been tougher so they should pick up the win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 14, 2014, 09:05:26 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on April 14, 2014, 03:32:53 PM
Some classic games tonight in Div1.

Bridge v Burren - Feisty game - Burren to take the spoils
Kilcoo v Castlewellan - Even feistier I reckon with the Town upsetting the champs.
Saval v Glenn - Renewal of old rivalry with Saval bound to hold the upper hand
Bryansford v Downpatrick - Historic game with Ford to continue their good form.
Rostrevor v Clonduff - Not the spiciest of derbies but still a nice one - a draw could be the result
Annaclone v Ballyholland - Poor start for each side but expect a fight back from the home side as harps suffer again
Tullylish v Loughinisland - Tullylish narrowly lost out in their first game and they will put up another good display here and may take the points.
Longstone v Liatrom - Both lost their first games but stones would appear to have been tougher so they should pick up the win.

Not a bad prediction - the bridge v Burren game was the one that really threw me!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on April 14, 2014, 09:06:30 PM
Good win for the Town tonight. Always nice to win a local derby- a deserved win too. Kilcoo missed a few chances you would not normally expect them to miss but never looked like they believed they were going to win. Some encouraging performances from younger Town lads. Lot of work still to do but two from two is a good start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 14, 2014, 09:35:27 PM
Back Glenn to bt Burren at the wkend at this rate of going............
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on April 14, 2014, 11:28:04 PM
For the love of god McCartan.. please try + coak Sean Parr onto the county panel. Didnt give Carr a kick of the ball tonight. Best player by a mile!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 15, 2014, 09:21:52 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 14, 2014, 09:35:27 PM
Back Glenn to bt Burren at the wkend at this rate of going............
Strange to see how much Burren has changed in a year and i thought we had strength in depth. The scoreboard does not rectify the game. We were beaten by a far classier team. If the bridge tightened up in defence they would not be far away. We need points in Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Steady hand on April 15, 2014, 11:08:21 AM
Should be 2 from 2 for Glenn, the ref was a joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 15, 2014, 12:13:02 PM
Some good games the other night.  Glenn are surprising me with their performances to date and both themselves and Tullyslish will be hard to beat at home it seems.  Burren have two losses so far but wont be overly concerned given the calibre of opposition they have faced to date.

Heres for Saturdays games:

Kilcoo v Tullylish - Kilcoo to give Tullylish a reality check
Stone v Rostrevor - Two very similar teams - maybe Ambrose and Poland to edge it for the Stone
Loughinisland v Clonduff - Loughinisland to get off the mark with their first win
Bridge v Castlewellan - Big test for Castlewellan and they get a hesitant vote
Glenn v Burren - Burren to come through a battle
Liatrom v Bryansford - Ford to keep up their winning run - possibly in some style
RGU v Annaclone - Hoops are strong at home and will have too much for a battling Annaclone
Ballyholland v Saval - Ballyholland surprise strugglers so far but may come good in this local rivalry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 15, 2014, 06:23:39 PM
In regards to Shaun parr I think Down have too many players like him. Ryan Brady was outstanding last night as well but we need big players and we dont have them in the county unless anyone is shining in the lesser divisions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on April 15, 2014, 10:50:15 PM
Glenn v Saval a great game of football some very very strange decisions by referee cost Glenn 2 points seems you only need to look at
our county players and they get frees
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dundroma on April 16, 2014, 11:05:56 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on April 15, 2014, 12:13:02 PM
Some good games the other night.  Glenn are surprising me with their performances to date and both themselves and Tullyslish will be hard to beat at home it seems.  Burren have two losses so far but wont be overly concerned given the calibre of opposition they have faced to date.

Heres for Saturdays games:

Kilcoo v Tullylish - Kilcoo to give Tullylish a reality check
Stone v Rostrevor - Two very similar teams - maybe Ambrose and Poland to edge it for the Stone
Loughinisland v Clonduff - Loughinisland to get off the mark with their first win
Bridge v Castlewellan - Big test for Castlewellan and they get a hesitant vote
Glenn v Burren - Burren to come through a battle
Liatrom v Bryansford - Ford to keep up their winning run - possibly in some style
RGU v Annaclone - Hoops are strong at home and will have too much for a battling Annaclone
Ballyholland v Saval - Ballyholland surprise strugglers so far but may come good in this local rivalry.

what about div 2&3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 17, 2014, 01:11:51 AM
What about them?? Championship league stages will be crap folks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 17, 2014, 10:55:44 AM
Down GAA Adult Championships


Junior Hurling



Quarter-Finals

CPN v Castlewellan

Liatroim  v Clonduff
 
Ballela v   Shamrocks

Ballyvarley v Carryduff
 
Intermediate  Hurling
 
Q/Final
 
Ballygalget  v Ballycran

Semi-Finals
 
Kilclief v Bredagh

Ballygalget//Ballycran V Portaferry

 

Morgan Fuels Senior Hurling
 
Portaferry v Ballygalget  (Semi-Final)



      Winner v Ballycran


 
  Trócaire Junior  Football (Knock-out)

Preliminary Rd
 
Dundrum v Mitchels A
 
Ardglass v Dromara B
 
Killyleagh v  Ballykinlar C
 
Aughlisnafin v St Michaels D
 
Quarter-Finals
 
B  v  Kilclief
 
D  v Bright
 
Drumaness v  A
 
St Pauls  v   C
 
 
 
  Trócaire Intermediate Football (Round-Robin)

Group 1: An Riocht, Shamrocks , Darragh Cross, Ballymartin

Group 2: CPN, Bosco, Bredagh, Aghaderg

Group 3: Liatroim, St Johns, Glasdrumman, Teconnaught

Group 4:  Carryduff, Clann Na Banna, Attical, Saul





Morgan Fuels Senior Football (Round-Robin)

Group 1 – Kilcoo, Mayobridge, Rostrevor, Tullylish

Group 2 – Castlewellan ,Ballyholland,Clonduff, Drumgath

Group 3 - Burren, Annaclone, Loughinisland, Longstone

Group 4-   Bryansford, Saval, Downpatrick ,Glenn
 
 

Premier Reserve

Preliminary Rd

Rostrevor  v An Riocht  A

Kilcoo  v Clonduff B
 
Carryduff v  Bryansford C

Round 1
 
Ballyholland v Burren
 
Saval v Castlewellan
 
B v Bredagh
 
Annaclone v Longstone
 
RGU v  CPN

Tullylish v Mayobridge
 
Loughinisland v C
 
A  v  Liatroim

Reserve Football 

Preliminary Rd

Rostrevor  v  Bosco
 
Glenn v Teconnaught
 
Darragh Cross v Liatroim
 
Dundrum v Clonduff

Round 1
 
Saval  v  Glenn/ Teconnaught
 
Kilcoo  v  St Johns
 
Burren  v   Darragh Cross / Liatroim
 
Mayobridge v Drumaness
 
Clann Na Banna v  Rostrevor/ Bosco
 
Bryansford  v  Ballymartin
 
Saul  v  Atticall
 
Drumagth v  Dundrum/ Clonduff































Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 17, 2014, 12:28:59 PM
Pretty bland senior draw, you could prob pick at least 6 quarter finalists already.

Any provisional dates for these games ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 17, 2014, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 17, 2014, 12:28:59 PM
Pretty bland senior draw, you could prob pick at least 6 quarter finalists already.

Any provisional dates for these games ?

To be fair thats the way of it nowadays with the groups but what it does is pretty much guarantee some blockbuster quarter finals and semi finals.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 17, 2014, 05:37:49 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 17, 2014, 12:28:59 PM
Pretty bland senior draw, you could prob pick at least 6 quarter finalists already.

Any provisional dates for these games ?

I can only see Burren, Kilcoo, Bryansford and Castlewellan to reach Quarter Finals. the remaining 4 places is hard to predict in this new rule of Black Cards.

Down Follower, your prediction near perfect last Monday and wont be far off for this Sat either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 17, 2014, 06:36:28 PM
Quote from: umpire on April 17, 2014, 05:37:49 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 17, 2014, 12:28:59 PM
Pretty bland senior draw, you could prob pick at least 6 quarter finalists already.

Any provisional dates for these games ?

I can only see Burren, Kilcoo, Bryansford and Castlewellan to reach Quarter Finals. the remaining 4 places is hard to predict in this new rule of Black Cards.

Down Follower, your prediction near perfect last Monday and wont be far off for this Sat either.

Burren
Longstone
Bryansford
Kilcoo
Castlewellan
Mayobridge
Ballyholland / clonduff
Saval / Downpatrick

Struggling to see any other questionable ones
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 18, 2014, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on April 17, 2014, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 17, 2014, 12:28:59 PM
Pretty bland senior draw, you could prob pick at least 6 quarter finalists already.

Any provisional dates for these games ?

To be fair thats the way of it nowadays with the groups but what it does is pretty much guarantee some blockbuster quarter finals and semi finals.
Mayobridge would be strong favourites to go through and Saval should have too much firepower. Is there a back door in the PRFC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 18, 2014, 12:50:53 PM
Good to see Ballykinlar in the JFC. Have reports of their demise been exaggerated?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 18, 2014, 08:22:48 PM
Not really. The Jfc is still knockout, id imagine if you were to organise an over forty team for a one off match  most teams could manage it. It might be enough to kick start them again for next year, but they were struggling badly for at least five years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 18, 2014, 08:25:51 PM
It might be enough give them a new lease of life  or a last dying kick, sad to see, we had a real strong rivalry with them in the early 90s but they gradually faded away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 20, 2014, 12:17:39 AM
Results from tonight:

O'Neills Down ACFL Div 1
BALLYHOLLAND 1-12 V 0-14 SAVAL
KILCOO 2-16 V 0-8 TULLYLISH
LONGSTONE 0-13 V 0-8 ROSTREVOR
LOUGHINISLAND 2-11 V 3-14 CLONDUFF
MAYOBRIDGE 1-18 V 1-12 CASTLEWELLAN
GLENN 0-4 V 0-16 BURREN
LIATROIM 2-9 V 2-15 BRYANSFORD
RGU DOWNPATRICK 1-14 V 0-4 ANNACLONE

O'Neills Down ACFL Div 2
GLASDRUMMAN 0-9 V 2-17 CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA
BREDAGH 3-16 V 0-14 ST JOHN BOSCO
TECONNAUGHT 0-6 V 2-9 ST JOHN'S
SAUL 4-12 V 0-7 DRUMGATH
ATTICALL 0-9 V 1-11 CLANN NA BANNA
AN RÍOCHT 2-13 V 0-14 CARRYDUFF
AGHADERG 0-6 V 2-17 BALLYMARTIN
NEWRY SHAMROCKS 0-15 V 0-5 DARRAGH CROSS

O'Neills Down ACFL Div 3
ST MICHAEL'S 1-13 V 4-19 DUNDRUM
AUGHLISNAFIN 1-6 V 2-6 MITCHELS
BRIGHT 2-4 V 1-8 KILCLIEF
KILLYLEAGH 1-4 V 0-27 ST COLMAN'S DRUMANESS
ST PAUL'S 1-10 V 2-13 DROMARA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mrs mills on April 20, 2014, 09:35:14 AM
So, what can we do on the discussion boards to check the validity of the Sunday Times story that O'Neills has been outsourcing some of its manufacturing to Bangladesh and to implore the GAA to do something about it if true?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 20, 2014, 10:20:23 PM
Sadly i am not surprised, G.A.A. should at the very least enquire into the wages and conditions of Bangledesh works sub contracting for O Neills
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on April 21, 2014, 12:38:09 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on April 20, 2014, 10:20:23 PM
Sadly i am not surprised, G.A.A. should at the very least enquire into the wages and conditions of Bangledesh works sub contracting for O Neills

Sky news could do the reporting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on April 21, 2014, 10:32:04 AM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 18, 2014, 12:50:53 PM
Good to see Ballykinlar in the JFC. Have reports of their demise been exaggerated?
They're back in the league as well. St Paul's have been informed that  their scheduled home game from the original fixture list is now a home game for ballykinlar to give them a wee helping hand. Not sure how a team can enter at the eighth round of the league?  What happens to their results from the previous seven rounds?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on April 22, 2014, 08:58:59 AM
Bredagh won Féile Peil na nÓg for the first time yesterday. 3 weeks ago the same group of players won Feile na nGael in hurling. Fantastic double.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1458689_854330997926708_5831618163866467361_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 22, 2014, 01:54:52 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 22, 2014, 08:58:59 AM
Bredagh won Féile Peil na nÓg for the first time yesterday. 3 weeks ago the same group of players won Feile na nGael in hurling. Fantastic double.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1458689_854330997926708_5831618163866467361_n.jpg)
a marvelous achievement from all   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 24, 2014, 09:57:41 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 22, 2014, 01:54:52 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on April 22, 2014, 08:58:59 AM
Bredagh won Féile Peil na nÓg for the first time yesterday. 3 weeks ago the same group of players won Feile na nGael in hurling. Fantastic double.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1458689_854330997926708_5831618163866467361_n.jpg)
a marvelous achievement from all

Does the full forward buy his BIC razors at McMillans One Stop?

Some achievement, congratulations to those involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on April 25, 2014, 08:48:56 PM
Called out to see the Rostrevor v Island game. Rostrevor won by a point, but very lucky too.

That referee needs to take a hard look at himself. Ball in air for last kick, blows it up. 2secs later Island have the ball in the net, but doesnt allow for it. They wonder why referees get the abuse they do. Shocking
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 25, 2014, 09:16:14 PM
Harps led for most of the game V Burren. Missed a penalty that would have left them 4 up with 10 to go. Ended up getting beat by 3 >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 25, 2014, 09:26:17 PM
Harps fairly miss Murtagh, even for a target man. Couldn't believe how defensive they were in the first half with a strong wind, played a spare man at the back, cost them the game IMO as only went in at ht with 5 point lead.

Burren had no forwards at all and badly missed Eamon Toner.  McKernan was the star on show, if he played consistently like that he would be some asset.  Burren going nowhere though unless they get a number of players back from injury/abroad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 25, 2014, 09:33:37 PM
Castlewellan 4:07 Glenn 0:11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 25, 2014, 11:36:13 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 25, 2014, 09:26:17 PM
Harps fairly miss Murtagh, even for a target man. Couldn't believe how defensive they were in the first half with a strong wind, played a spare man at the back, cost them the game IMO as only went in at ht with 5 point lead.

Burren had no forwards at all and badly missed Eamon Toner.  McKernan was the star on show, if he played consistently like that he would be some asset.  Burren going nowhere though unless they get a number of players back from injury/abroad.
We had enough to beat Burren tonight without Murtagh WGM. We didn't take our chances. Apart from the penalty Gunner Quinn should have buried a one V One in the 1st half. Cousins bottled a few decisions as well. Joseph Murphy one on one with the keeper in the 2nd half and Daniel chopped him down. Result? Yellow. WTF. McKernan was the difference in the end. Fair play...some magnificent scores.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 26, 2014, 11:31:23 PM
Quote from: our_fella on April 25, 2014, 08:48:56 PM
Called out to see the Rostrevor v Island game. Rostrevor won by a point, but very lucky too.

That referee needs to take a hard look at himself. Ball in air for last kick, blows it up. 2secs later Island have the ball in the net, but doesnt allow for it. They wonder why referees get the abuse they do. Shocking

So I'll give you a bit more background to the incident you mention - Loughinisland get a free just outside the 45 deep in injury time, the referee makes it clear to them there are less than 20 seconds left to play, Loughinisland then proceed to change the free kick taker wasting over ten seconds in the process, the referee then informs them if the ball doesn't go dead from the kick then the game is over, literally the last kick. The ball is pumped in towards goal and lands in a ruck of players with Dan Gordon getting his fist to it (and into the net) thus rendering the ball not dead from the kick and so the ref blows the final whistle as soon as someone else touches it. No goal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on April 27, 2014, 12:11:30 AM
Why did he have to be so pinickity with time? Lucky he wasted bate out the gate. Also, Island #6 is a dirty gyp for stamping on their #14. Everyone but ref happened to see it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on April 27, 2014, 11:10:51 PM
Was also at Loughinisland game as an Island supporter, and the referee clearly indicated that the last free had to be scored direct as time was up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 29, 2014, 09:54:06 AM
I see Bryansford are 7/1 with paddy power to win the Down SFC, surely they must be worth a gamble at that price. I dont see much senior football but with Dawsons track record and the quality of player available 7/1 looks tasty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 29, 2014, 09:58:30 AM
Quote from: ardtole on April 29, 2014, 09:54:06 AM
I see Bryansford are 7/1 with paddy power to win the Down SFC, surely they must be worth a gamble at that price. I dont see much senior football but with Dawsons track record and the quality of player available 7/1 looks tasty.

I hear Scooby doo is trying to poach a former county player from a club not too far up the road from Newcastle, any truth in this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on April 29, 2014, 10:32:45 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 29, 2014, 09:58:30 AM
Quote from: ardtole on April 29, 2014, 09:54:06 AM
I see Bryansford are 7/1 with paddy power to win the Down SFC, surely they must be worth a gamble at that price. I dont see much senior football but with Dawsons track record and the quality of player available 7/1 looks tasty.

I hear Scooby doo is trying to poach a former county player from a club not too far up the road from Newcastle, any truth in this?

St Johns?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 29, 2014, 10:41:11 AM
McCommiskey?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on April 29, 2014, 11:44:31 AM
Quote from: ardtole on April 29, 2014, 10:41:11 AM
McCommiskey?

I'd say your right ardtole!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 29, 2014, 12:35:56 PM
If it is McCommiskey I dont think it would be the first time they approached him, I think St Galls were also linked with him at one stage as well. He has been very loyal to Dundrum to date though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 29, 2014, 08:52:42 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 29, 2014, 09:54:06 AM
I see Bryansford are 7/1 with paddy power to win the Down SFC, surely they must be worth a gamble at that price. I dont see much senior football but with Dawsons track record and the quality of player available 7/1 looks tasty.

Good call and worth a punt at them odds.  It between them and Kilcoo IMO.  Difficult to understand why Dawson failed so badly at Antrim.  From what I have seen he is a great coach, a good man manager (despite what has been said about the dispute with the couple of boys in Antrim) and decent tactically.

In fact I'd go as far as to say that when James decides to call it a day and it should be his decision, then the first port of call would be to see if McCrory and Dawson would double up together.  Seem to complement each others strengths well IMO but its whether two big personalities could work together.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 29, 2014, 11:55:21 PM
From what I seen so far Kilcoo and The Ford will be the dominant force this year. Has any new faces been called up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 30, 2014, 08:59:46 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 29, 2014, 08:52:42 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 29, 2014, 09:54:06 AM
I see Bryansford are 7/1 with paddy power to win the Down SFC, surely they must be worth a gamble at that price. I dont see much senior football but with Dawsons track record and the quality of player available 7/1 looks tasty.

Good call and worth a punt at them odds.  It between them and Kilcoo IMO. Difficult to understand why Dawson failed so badly at Antrim.  From what I have seen he is a great coach, a good man manager (despite what has been said about the dispute with the couple of boys in Antrim) and decent tactically.

In fact I'd go as far as to say that when James decides to call it a day and it should be his decision, then the first port of call would be to see if McCrory and Dawson would double up together.  Seem to complement each others strengths well IMO but its whether two big personalities could work together.

Because that Antrim team is pretty poor by County standards and he got rid of 2/3 of their best players - that may have something to do with it. It was widely known round Antrim he was disliked and didn't have the support of many inside or outside the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 30, 2014, 01:46:32 PM
Antrim have the players to be a mid division 3 team and have as good as players as Fermanagh.  If he wasn't liked then fair enough but it wouldn't be consistent with what lads from the stone, Burren or Bryansford would say.

Maybe his St Galls history may not go down well in some parts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 30, 2014, 11:00:36 PM
Dawson got Clonduff a championship and also was unlucky with the stone in 2007.He knows his stuff in Down club football. I would rather see him in charge of Down than Jim McNegavity but you have to admit he gets results.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 01, 2014, 10:18:55 AM
Good luck to 4  Down players playing for New York on Sunday against Mayo in Senior Football Championship at Gaelic Park New York.  Gavin Joyce, Ballymartin in goal. Gerard McCartan, Burren at Full Back, Paddy Boyle of Castlewellan at Right Half Forward and Mayobridge's Keith Quinn at Full Forward
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on May 01, 2014, 01:16:34 PM
Dawson was well liked in Longstone, great coach and knew his stuff.  Took us as close as we ever have to winning the Championship.

I think opposing teams love bashing him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on May 03, 2014, 12:48:27 AM
Anyone else think its a bit of a joke the way the Down reserve league run??

Was at the Ford v Rostrevor game tonight, and got talking to a few locals. Was told that Rostrevor started 7-9 players that started their Senior league match v Island last week. whereas Ford only had a small few..

Surely we would look into the way its done in Derry, Armagh + i think also in Tyrone.. Start your previous senior match, you cant play next reserve match.. Not fair on lads slogging away, and sitting on bench for both teams!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 03, 2014, 02:00:22 PM
The premier reserve used to be a very competitive league but it's been sadly dying the past few years and it definitely needs revamped of some sort.it would be interesting to see if the county board invited B teams to enter the junior league as it would be a seperate panel from the first team .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on May 03, 2014, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 03, 2014, 02:00:22 PM
The premier reserve used to be a very competitive league but it's been sadly dying the past few years and it definitely needs revamped of some sort.it would be interesting to see if the county board invited B teams to enter the junior league as it would be a seperate panel from the first team .

I know Armagh have done this, with Crossmaglen, Cullyhanna (and a few more i think), have entered teams into the 3rd div, with a completely separate panel from the seniors..


You could list fellas on your "top 13/15", and maybe some of them may not get barely any game time at all, just so that the main players can play reserves. Joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on May 04, 2014, 05:59:22 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 03, 2014, 02:00:22 PM
The premier reserve used to be a very competitive league but it's been sadly dying the past few years and it definitely needs revamped of some sort.it would be interesting to see if the county board invited B teams to enter the junior league as it would be a seperate panel from the first team .

In fairness clubs should be able to use the reserves for their own purposes, within reason.  Had a look on Rostrevors website there now and there was 6 players who started in their last senior match who started against Bryansford in the seconds! Quite a number but not beyond reason.  It was also the 3rd game in a week for their B team and in the previous 2 games, only 1 player who started their last senior match started in the reserve games.  (Their website gives good info on all the games).

This would seem to me to be a reasonable enough approach and I think most teams take this approach.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 04, 2014, 06:23:59 PM
We all know that the main issue is with the authenticity of the 'Top 13' players submitted by clubs.  It would be very interesting if the County Board published these lists as we all know that many clubs will put at least 3 or 4 players on the list who may have quit, may be working abroad, may be a long term injured player and out for a while.  This only leaves 7 or 8 authentic first team players with the rest being able to play seconds and reason why there is a big overlap between firsts and seconds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 04, 2014, 06:54:25 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on May 04, 2014, 05:59:22 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 03, 2014, 02:00:22 PM
The premier reserve used to be a very competitive league but it's been sadly dying the past few years and it definitely needs revamped of some sort.it would be interesting to see if the county board invited B teams to enter the junior league as it would be a seperate panel from the first team .

In fairness clubs should be able to use the reserves for their own purposes, within reason. 

This would seem to me to be a reasonable enough approach and I think most teams take this approach.

I think that we need to be clear about the actual reason for reserve football . It is presumably 1. For development of fringe players. 2. To give football to players not selected for the first team. 3. To give players who can not train/play their way on to the senior team, eg due to work , family commitments , the opportunity to play at the weekends 4.to rehabilitate injured players.

The winning of matches or titles at this level is of fairly low importance.

Therefore a more workable and functional solution is that u can not play 13 named starting players from the previous first team game. This would be the best way of allowing the four reasons listed above to be satisfied. And importantly ensures the maximum amount of player involvement each weekend.
This happens in other sports, why not GAA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 04, 2014, 09:51:51 PM
How desperate has our county team become that the management is pestering lads to join the county senior team with a few weeks to go to championship?  In recent days the likes of Jamie O'Reilly have been in the papers, nearly being begged to come back.  King, Savage and Howard from Bryansford are also being pursued, Paul Mc Comiskey and Conor Toner from Burren, from what we hear but I'm sure there are many others.  Down CCC have arranged that clubs now have played nearly a quarter of the whole league programme in just 2 weeks and is it any wonder that players will get injured which will impact on the county team.  A certain fitness test last weekend stopped nearly 20 county players from playing with their clubs, now how fair is that?  The whole thing is a shambles as far as I can see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 04, 2014, 11:01:17 PM
It does look like an admission from James that he knows he hasnt sufficient quality. 22/1 in the bookies to win Ulster tells you what the bookies think. Only Antrim and Fermanagh are longer odds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 04, 2014, 11:31:58 PM
Our league campaign started reasonably but performances declined sharply towards the end. In those circumstances, James has a responsibility to freshen up the squad. King and McComiskey have proven ability and should definitely be involved if available. At the very least, the others are worth a look.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 04, 2014, 11:40:00 PM
Its a double edged sword. Can you allow players to opt out of pre season and national league games regardless of how genuine the reasons are, and allow them to come back a fortnight before the championship. Its probably too late to be bringing players in at this stage unless someone is in red hot form at club level, although this has become rare almost non exsistant in last ten years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 04, 2014, 11:58:46 PM
I have no problem with James trying to get his best team/panel possible but 2 weeks before we play our most important game of the year and begging players to come onboard just isn't on.

Are we that bad that we have to beg lads to play for Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 05, 2014, 05:32:53 PM
Quote from: our_fella on May 03, 2014, 12:48:27 AM
Anyone else think its a bit of a joke the way the Down reserve league run??

Was at the Ford v Rostrevor game tonight, and got talking to a few locals. Was told that Rostrevor started 7-9 players that started their Senior league match v Island last week. whereas Ford only had a small few..

Surely we would look into the way its done in Derry, Armagh + i think also in Tyrone.. Start your previous senior match, you cant play next reserve match.. Not fair on lads slogging away, and sitting on bench for both teams!

Firstly Our Fella, you said last week you were at the Rostrevor v L'island game as well, surely you could see for yourself a few players who may have been playing in both games without asking locals. It is also the second time you've had a pop at Rostrevor in the same period. Once again I'll give you a bit of background to your claims; it was Rostrevor Seconds third game in 6 days, the first two (on Sunday and Wednesday) had a XV which was made up of players who were yet to play any football this season, or had limited substitute appearances for the Seniors in the first four games. The players on the bench in these games were lads who have played for the Seniors in most of their games this season. There was only one lad who started for the Seniors and both seconds games, Liam Fegan, and this was solely down to availability of defenders in the seconds. We then came to the match on Friday night v Bryansford, and as you would expect with that number of games, there were a few changes made to the starting team - this was both down to injuries and giving lads (who obviously hadn't trained all week) more game time so they don't have a full two weeks off between Senior games. The seconds have had a number of games called off for different reasons since the start of the season hence the build up of games this week - every lad in the panel was given a opportunity to play a decent amount of football over the three games, and that's the way it should be.

As for the top 13, if you knew how the county board were going about policing it this season you would know they have taken close interest in the lists. We have nothing to hide from ours and it is up to the individual managements to decide who to play, and when to play them. It was also interesting to note Bryansford had Timmy Hanna and Luke Howard playing for their seconds - two former/potential county men, and the same happened last season when Conor Maginn and Hanna played against Rostrevor for the seconds - no one is complaining about that as its obvious they just need football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 06, 2014, 11:09:55 AM
Quote from: supersub on May 05, 2014, 05:32:53 PM
Quote from: our_fella on May 03, 2014, 12:48:27 AM
Anyone else think its a bit of a joke the way the Down reserve league run??

Was at the Ford v Rostrevor game tonight, and got talking to a few locals. Was told that Rostrevor started 7-9 players that started their Senior league match v Island last week. whereas Ford only had a small few..

Surely we would look into the way its done in Derry, Armagh + i think also in Tyrone.. Start your previous senior match, you cant play next reserve match.. Not fair on lads slogging away, and sitting on bench for both teams!

Firstly Our Fella, you said last week you were at the Rostrevor v L'island game as well, surely you could see for yourself a few players who may have been playing in both games without asking locals. It is also the second time you've had a pop at Rostrevor in the same period. Once again I'll give you a bit of background to your claims; it was Rostrevor Seconds third game in 6 days, the first two (on Sunday and Wednesday) had a XV which was made up of players who were yet to play any football this season, or had limited substitute appearances for the Seniors in the first four games. The players on the bench in these games were lads who have played for the Seniors in most of their games this season. There was only one lad who started for the Seniors and both seconds games, Liam Fegan, and this was solely down to availability of defenders in the seconds. We then came to the match on Friday night v Bryansford, and as you would expect with that number of games, there were a few changes made to the starting team - this was both down to injuries and giving lads (who obviously hadn't trained all week) more game time so they don't have a full two weeks off between Senior games. The seconds have had a number of games called off for different reasons since the start of the season hence the build up of games this week - every lad in the panel was given a opportunity to play a decent amount of football over the three games, and that's the way it should be.

As for the top 13, if you knew how the county board were going about policing it this season you would know they have taken close interest in the lists. We have nothing to hide from ours and it is up to the individual managements to decide who to play, and when to play them. It was also interesting to note Bryansford had Timmy Hanna and Luke Howard playing for their seconds - two former/potential county men, and the same happened last season when Conor Maginn and Hanna played against Rostrevor for the seconds - no one is complaining about that as its obvious they just need football.

In the hurling leagues you used to have to name a top 13 who are ineligible to play in Div1 and then a further 12 who are then ineligible to play in Div2 also, and we'd normally base that first 13 on our starting 15 from the previous years senior championship with the odd exception.
Its slightly different this year as only our thirds play in Down and I think we'd to name 22 players who'd be ineligible in it. Within reason you are allowed to make changes to these lists, but we were requested by the CCC to downgrade Magic as he's done the cruciate ligaments and will probably miss the entire year which I think is bad craic from them. The big bollox done it playing for Down and if, big if, he makes it back this year then in theory he could play in the thirds.
You lads seem to have a free reign in terms to chopping and changing panels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on May 06, 2014, 04:33:48 PM
Looking at the reserve leagues results it appears most teams are certainly using their squads to the full this year.  No one team is streaking away at the top which would indicate that teams are mixing and matching. I still think a missing link here is an Under 21 competition - and I dont mean the one ongoing at present that is neither run nor supported properly by co. board or clubs. Perhaps a case for it and reserves to played on alternate weekends! Not sure how to work it in exactly but it seems that with players now doing more gym work at senior level, the gap, physically between minors and seniors gets bigger and we have nothing to fill that gap.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 09, 2014, 09:54:46 PM
Looks at though St Michael's did not travel to St Paul's in D3 tonight. St Michael's were promoted and won the junior championship in the last decade, and have provided plenty of county players over the years, so hopefully they will be fielding again soon. However, they are certainly not the only lower division side struggling for numbers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on May 09, 2014, 11:36:05 PM
Well folks just looking at results tonight, no game for Saval and Leitrim. Anyone know why this wasn't down to be played?

Bryansford setting the standard well and Mayobridge off to a great start.

The loss of some major players for Burren plus the county contingent gonna make this year a rebuilding process and getting some more of the previous under 21players and a few of our minors through.

Can anyone shed light on why Leitrim and Saval didn't play??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 10, 2014, 01:19:08 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on May 09, 2014, 11:36:05 PM
Well folks just looking at results tonight, no game for Saval and Leitrim. Anyone know why this wasn't down to be played?

Bryansford setting the standard well and Mayobridge off to a great start.

The loss of some major players for Burren plus the county contingent gonna make this year a rebuilding process and getting some more of the previous under 21players and a few of our minors through.

Can anyone shed light on why Leitrim and Saval didn't play??

I know there was confirmation in Shinn tonight, this was most likely the reason.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on May 10, 2014, 10:05:23 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on May 09, 2014, 11:36:05 PM
Well folks just looking at results tonight, no game for Saval and Leitrim. Anyone know why this wasn't down to be played?

Bryansford setting the standard well and Mayobridge off to a great start.

The loss of some major players for Burren plus the county contingent gonna make this year a rebuilding process and getting some more of the previous under 21players and a few of our minors through.

Can anyone shed light on why Leitrim and Saval didn't play??


Did Darren Cunningham not get married yesterday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 10, 2014, 04:47:00 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on May 09, 2014, 11:36:05 PM
Well folks just looking at results tonight, no game for Saval and Leitrim. Anyone know why this wasn't down to be played?

Bryansford setting the standard well and Mayobridge off to a great start.

The loss of some major players for Burren plus the county contingent gonna make this year a rebuilding process and getting some more of the previous under 21players and a few of our minors through.

Can anyone shed light on why Leitrim and Saval didn't play??

Saval player Darren Cunningham got married - presume this is why it was not played.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 13, 2014, 10:49:02 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 29, 2014, 08:52:42 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 29, 2014, 09:54:06 AM
I see Bryansford are 7/1 with paddy power to win the Down SFC, surely they must be worth a gamble at that price. I dont see much senior football but with Dawsons track record and the quality of player available 7/1 looks tasty.

Good call and worth a punt at them odds.  It between them and Kilcoo IMO.  Difficult to understand why Dawson failed so badly at Antrim.  From what I have seen he is a great coach, a good man manager (despite what has been said about the dispute with the couple of boys in Antrim) and decent tactically.

In fact I'd go as far as to say that when James decides to call it a day and it should be his decision, then the first port of call would be to see if McCrory and Dawson would double up together.  Seem to complement each others strengths well IMO but its whether two big personalities could work together.

Where are the odds?? Who are favourites??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 13, 2014, 11:07:44 PM
Burren are favourites @ 13/8, then Kilcoo @2/1, ford now 6/1 and mayobridge 13/2. I got on Bryansford at 7/1, I was told they were as high as 10/1 at one stage. The prices are with paddy power. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on May 14, 2014, 09:56:23 AM
Quote from: ardtole on May 13, 2014, 11:07:44 PM
Burren are favourites @ 13/8, then Kilcoo @2/1, ford now 6/1 and mayobridge 13/2. I got on Bryansford at 7/1, I was told they were as high as 10/1 at one stage. The prices are with paddy power.

Hard to argue with Burren and Kilcoo as favourites given their domination over the last 5 years.  However, local football people know that Burren are a different team now, not quite transition but near it.  Ford and Bridge are definite runners this year. Castlewellan do not appear quite as strong as they were last year.  Outside that, no-one has a chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on May 14, 2014, 11:40:23 AM
Any more team news ahead of Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 14, 2014, 12:00:13 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on May 14, 2014, 09:56:23 AM
Quote from: ardtole on May 13, 2014, 11:07:44 PM
Burren are favourites @ 13/8, then Kilcoo @2/1, ford now 6/1 and mayobridge 13/2. I got on Bryansford at 7/1, I was told they were as high as 10/1 at one stage. The prices are with paddy power.

Hard to argue with Burren and Kilcoo as favourites given their domination over the last 5 years.  However, local football people know that Burren are a different team now, not quite transition but near it.  Ford and Bridge are definite runners this year. Castlewellan do not appear quite as strong as they were last year.  Outside that, no-one has a chance.


Big odds for Ford and the Bridge. Both going well but they will crack  in the championship
Top two  are rightly favs but very short. The fired
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 14, 2014, 01:58:09 PM
Has a Down Ulster Championship match ever been so low key. Does anyone have any confidence going into sundays game.
all travelling in hope more than anything. It probably will be a very long wait till the Qualifiers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 14, 2014, 07:21:20 PM
Barely mentioned on here, in most peoples minds this game is already conceded, we are at a very low point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 14, 2014, 08:38:55 PM
Anybody know if Darren O'Hagan is fit? Dan Gordan back and Jamie O'Reilly is a great boost!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 15, 2014, 12:04:09 PM
O'Hagan touch and go I think, was due to play Sunday past to see how he got on. Playing fit and Championship fit are worlds apart though!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 15, 2014, 06:02:52 PM
I wouldn't be too optimistic about Sunday and we haven't many options either to bring in. Possible team

Mc Veigh
Mc Cartan
Mc Ardle
Costello
Boyle
Carr
Garvey
Mc Kernan
Gordon
Rodgers
Poland
Maginn
Laverty
Madine
O'Hare

Not a bad team but I think that's where it ends.  I doubt it's the back door for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 15, 2014, 08:45:09 PM
Not one member of the last two years championship winners. Seems strange. Has Laverty not been on form recently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 15, 2014, 09:16:04 PM
The team announced will have at least 3 changes - no chance that team will take the field.  Who does James think he is kidding?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 15, 2014, 09:35:47 PM
Laverty did not play particularly well in the league but he is a proven championship performer. While the two Johnstons and Devlin are in the subs,  and capable of making their mark, it is difficult to make a case for them starting.  Most people will be expecting to see Benny on the bench as well, but James might be going for a double bluff. He likes to make keep the opposition guessing over late changes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 15, 2014, 10:19:12 PM
At best, Benny is only worth a place on the bench.  He may get 10/15 mins but that will be it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 16, 2014, 09:00:23 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 15, 2014, 09:35:47 PM
Laverty did not play particularly well in the league but he is a proven championship performer. While the two Johnstons and Devlin are in the subs,  and capable of making their mark, it is difficult to make a case for them starting.  Most people will be expecting to see Benny on the bench as well, but James might be going for a double bluff. He likes to make keep the opposition guessing over late changes.

Don't think any opposition really pay heed to this type of thing to be honest - especially as it seems to happen every game with Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 16, 2014, 01:17:49 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on May 15, 2014, 10:19:12 PM
At best, Benny is only worth a place on the bench.  He may get 10/15 mins but that will be it.

It's reported he's flying in training. Benny was never a league player. It's our defence Im worried about
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on May 16, 2014, 02:09:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on May 16, 2014, 01:17:49 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on May 15, 2014, 10:19:12 PM
At best, Benny is only worth a place on the bench.  He may get 10/15 mins but that will be it.

It's reported he's flying in training. Benny was never a league player. It's our defence Im worried about

If you watch Benny in club games, he is still one of the best we have so totally deserves his place.  I think he will do well on Sunday and a goal or two from him could swing it out way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 16, 2014, 10:16:14 PM
This is the least anticipated Down championship game that I can ever remember.

Totally disagree that Benny is only worth a place on the bench, if he is fit and flying then he is first on the team sheet in my eyes.  He looked knackered last year and James has wisely used him sparingly so far this year.  I'd say (and hope) he's chomping at the bit for one last hurrah.

On another note Ballykinlar didn't field tonight, looks like they are gone again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on May 18, 2014, 01:10:31 PM
Good luck to the Minors and Seniors today-difficult tasks for both teams in Omagh but hope springs eternal--UP DOWN!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 18, 2014, 04:58:06 PM
I think it is time to make a move for McCorry!

Maybe he'll put some Kilcoo players in. Certainly he will bring some organisation

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on May 18, 2014, 06:04:14 PM
i thought the Down subs by in large worked and well done to the team for a great second half and maybe a bit more confidance for next week--UP DOWN!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on May 18, 2014, 06:27:12 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 18, 2014, 04:58:06 PM
I think it is time to make a move for McCorry!

Maybe he'll put some Kilcoo players in. Certainly he will bring some organisation

What a flipping muppet you are.. You not happy with the rat laverty starting? or 3 of your subs coming on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 18, 2014, 06:39:42 PM
Quote from: our_fella on May 18, 2014, 06:27:12 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 18, 2014, 04:58:06 PM
I think it is time to make a move for McCorry!

Maybe he'll put some Kilcoo players in. Certainly he will bring some organisation

What a flipping muppet you are.. You not happy with the rat laverty starting? or 3 of your subs coming on?

the kilcoo players changed the game significantly, along with benny, ryan Johnstone was very influnential, jerome got the penalty, laverty showed for everything in the second half and set up maginns goal, not bad for a rat, you flipping muppet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on May 18, 2014, 06:54:17 PM
I am not disputing the fact that they made a huge difference.. He was lucky he didn't get a straight red for a 100% intentional closed fist punch to Cavanagh. Constantly mouthing at the opposition, (morgan free being moved up), and is the klinsmann of the gaa.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 18, 2014, 06:57:49 PM
Quote from: our_fella on May 18, 2014, 06:54:17 PM
I am not disputing the fact that they made a huge difference.. He was lucky he didn't get a straight red for a 100% intentional closed fist punch to Cavanagh. Constantly mouthing at the opposition, (morgan free being moved up), and is the klinsmann of the gaa.

show a bit of loyalty man, you may have some personal grievance with him but going on the main down tyrone thread calling one of our players a rat? what is that all about?, f**k sake.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 18, 2014, 07:51:49 PM
 He has a point Charlie
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 18, 2014, 09:01:43 PM
As far as Laverty goes he hit a clear punch and had it been seen properly he would have walked. That worries me because. His dismissal would have certainly cost us the game and he does hot-headed things like this far too often.

As for my comment on Kilcoo players if you look at the time on the post you will see I made it before James finally saw sense and brought on the 3 Kilcoo players. And the difference they made proves that my comment was fairly sensible.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on May 18, 2014, 09:17:51 PM
Conor does what he does because he cares; whether Kilcoo or Down. He single handedly brought us back from the dead against Monaghan two years ago and his influence ,with his clubmates did the same today. Hope our injured men recover for Saturday, looks like we'll need big Dan. Up Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 18, 2014, 09:29:22 PM
Conor Lavery was magnificent today, and any Down supporter bad mouthing him is beneath contempt. Having said that ,why were Down so negative in the first half. It is clear from all our games  that we are better when attacking, yet we continually sit back and allow teams to come onto us and dictate the pace of the game. Allowing for the weather our handling and passing in the first half was atrocious, particularly in defence. But onwards and upwards, home advantage and hopefully a seventy minute attacking performance could see us through
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on May 18, 2014, 09:29:31 PM
Laverty's punch is generating some chat! Unreal, The ref booked him for it so obviously seen it. Cavanagh is a big boy and should be fit to handle a guy like Conor.
Down were very good in second half but there is room for improvement all over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on May 18, 2014, 10:09:12 PM
couple of defenders needed for next sat. Boyle not at the races today and Dan McCartan roasted.... again!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on May 18, 2014, 10:37:21 PM
If you'd been offered a chance to play Tyrone in Newry after the draw was announced last year, you'd have taken it in a second. Should have closed out the game, but a draw was more than I expected at 2-9 to 1-5. Full credit to Down for pulling that one out of the fire. Thought Carr, Maginn, Laverty, McKernan and Madine really stood up in the second half. Coulter single-handedly turned the game on its head, best player on the pitch by a country mile. We need a better showing at midfield next week and he might be a good option from the start. Boyle is not a natural defender and looked jittery today, Costello or Turley might be better options.

Tyrone are definitely there for the taking if we get a big crowd behind the team in Newry. Over the past few seasons we've beaten Dublin, Donegal and Mayo there. Hopefully we'll be able to attack from the off and take the game to Tyrone - this conservative defensive style of football is incredibly demoralising and reaps virtually no scores from play. The free that Donal O'Hare missed at the end is the kind of chance he could take in his sleep, but he shouldn't be too downtrodden about it - he played well and shows signs of being a really classy footballer.

There's a big incentive for Down to win the replay with a home draw against Monaghan awaiting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 18, 2014, 10:42:18 PM
Our fella, your a big lad behind the computer screen. Ya wouldn't have the balls to say it to the mans face I know that. But what I do see here is nothing but jealousy for the best club and county footballer in Down this 4 years! Laverty was immense today as he always is and gives all for his county. So I advise you to put up or shut up and get begind players giveing their all for the Down cause.
Be best to remove your post if u had any gumption.
Other than that well done to Down on a wonderful second half showing where the impact from the bench was superb. Benny and Ryan and to a lesser extent Liam and Jerome all played huge roles.
Kevy and Lav where once again superb, two of the most competitive and committed players we have.
James Mccartan deserves special mention for the changes he made.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on May 18, 2014, 11:14:57 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 18, 2014, 10:42:18 PM
Our fella, your a big lad behind the computer screen. Ya wouldn't have the balls to say it to the mans face I know that. But what I do see here is nothing but jealousy for the best club and county footballer in Down this 4 years! Laverty was immense today as he always is and gives all for his county. So I advise you to put up or shut up and get begind players giveing their all for the Down cause.
Be best to remove your post if u had any gumption.
Other than that well done to Down on a wonderful second half showing where the impact from the bench was superb. Benny and Ryan and to a lesser extent Liam and Jerome all played huge roles.
Kevy and Lav where once again superb, two of the most competitive and committed players we have.
James Mccartan deserves special mention for the changes he made.

Contrary to your belief, i have came up against him many times, and tell him every time what he really is.. Cheap digs + dives totally undoes all his good work. Im not in anyway denying he is a v.good football, but its his antics that give him a bad name. And im sure theres many people who would agree with me, especially defenders who've been conned by his diving
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 19, 2014, 12:50:53 AM
Real enjoyment watching those last 15 minutes or so from our perspective. A 9 point swing nearly had it for us but a draw was a fair result.
McCartan's changes worked a treat at halftime. Ryan Johnston's bursts forward were a joy to watch. He just let the shackles off and ran and Tyrone panicked everytime.
Wee James probably faces a selection headache now for Saturday night such was the impact of Down's subs.
It was a great comeback and it provides huge hope for this weekend.

On a more negative note the result for the minors was extremely poor.
We were 15 points down at one stage in the second half and the 1-01 we got in injury time made it look semi respectable.
Shane Mulholland has three years at this grade and let's hope that with revised development squad structures and the unearthing of more talent he can start getting us back on track at minor level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 19, 2014, 02:13:42 AM
I dont think James will have a selection headache at all regarding Ryan Johnson, he will have to come in for either Boyle or McCartan both of them struggled today, either of them will be lucky to start again particullary if Ohagan is fit, which is probably unlikely unfortunately.

Tyrone are definitley there for the taking, a few changes have to be made and I think they will. We will have a great crowd behind us, a good start would help too, I just think the pressure will be too much for some of the tyrone lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on May 19, 2014, 06:58:37 AM
My biggest concern is midfield.  We were cleaned out for two thirds of the game.  Morgan will be back on Saturday and his kickouts cannot be understated as he seems to reach his man most of the time.

The subs, as has been said, changed the game completely.  O'Hares free was bad, but it was his goal that really brought the game to life.

I think James should throw caution to the wind, and go for all out attack, start Benny and start Ryan Johnston. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on May 19, 2014, 10:33:08 AM
McKernan driving forward and Benny doing plenty of leaping around the middle of the park is a good enough midfield option. Was disappointed in Turley yesterday- he didnt seem up to pace of the game at all. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 19, 2014, 11:32:35 AM
Turley is a good honest player. He gives his all, is a good fielder and makes the most of his physicality in defending. Unfortunately at the highest level of the game it can be seen that he just doesn't quite have the pace for the game and his ability to carry the ball or deliver accurate passes/shots is lacking. But do we really have better options:

Dan Gordon - Who knows if he will come back and if he will be up to the pace of championship football. Perhaps an option, but not really for now until he gets a good few weeks under his belt with the lads.

Ambrose - Clearly the injuries are taking their toll. Just does not have the pace to keep up with mobile midfields and cannot make bursting runs forward (made one scoring run and he looked jaded for a good few minutes after).

McKernan - Our best athlete and a fine player. Not the best fielder we have and certainly never the best at tracking back. Probably best at 12 but no doubt because of athleticism, experience and skills he must start somewhere, and has played a good few games in the middle for Down.

Benny - I think Benny's (magnificent) display in Omagh hides the truth of previous attempts to convert him into a county midfielder. He is a poor tackler and will give away frees, also not great at defending in the midfield area as he just wants to attack. In his spell at the middle on Sunday we were almost exclusively in an attack phase and that suited him well. It was a perfect time to bring him on and his play suited perfectly that situation.

The way I see it, we cannot expect 70 minutes from Benny, Ambrose, or Turley at midfield. Gordon probably isn't ready for 70 minutes yet either. Only McKernan is fit enough for a full game and even then he may be better used attacking from 12 and playing as a covering 3rd midfielder. I think instead of trying to pick which two will play midfield it should be a case of expecting 4 players to be used there over the course of the game and the management must get right exactly when those changes take place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on May 19, 2014, 01:47:36 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 19, 2014, 11:32:35 AM
Turley is a good honest player. He gives his all, is a good fielder and makes the most of his physicality in defending. Unfortunately at the highest level of the game it can be seen that he just doesn't quite have the pace for the game and his ability to carry the ball or deliver accurate passes/shots is lacking. But do we really have better options:

Dan Gordon - Who knows if he will come back and if he will be up to the pace of championship football. Perhaps an option, but not really for now until he gets a good few weeks under his belt with the lads.

Ambrose - Clearly the injuries are taking their toll. Just does not have the pace to keep up with mobile midfields and cannot make bursting runs forward (made one scoring run and he looked jaded for a good few minutes after).

McKernan - Our best athlete and a fine player. Not the best fielder we have and certainly never the best at tracking back. Probably best at 12 but no doubt because of athleticism, experience and skills he must start somewhere, and has played a good few games in the middle for Down.

Benny - I think Benny's (magnificent) display in Omagh hides the truth of previous attempts to convert him into a county midfielder. He is a poor tackler and will give away frees, also not great at defending in the midfield area as he just wants to attack. In his spell at the middle on Sunday we were almost exclusively in an attack phase and that suited him well. It was a perfect time to bring him on and his play suited perfectly that situation.

The way I see it, we cannot expect 70 minutes from Benny, Ambrose, or Turley at midfield. Gordon probably isn't ready for 70 minutes yet either. Only McKernan is fit enough for a full game and even then he may be better used attacking from 12 and playing as a covering 3rd midfielder. I think instead of trying to pick which two will play midfield it should be a case of expecting 4 players to be used there over the course of the game and the management must get right exactly when those changes take place.

Some good thoughts there.  I think Turley will up his game next week now that he sees it isnt enough to just stop your man winning a ball - YOU also have to make an impact.  I can see him and Ambrose getting another go at starting the game with Benny held back until the game needs won in the second half again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 19, 2014, 08:56:50 PM
Put Ambrose at FF and drop high balls on top of that shaky Tyrone back line , allowing our forwards to feed of the breaks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 19, 2014, 09:54:01 PM
I would agree with a lot of what Paul says there.  I'd love to be in a position to put both Benny and Ambrose on after 40 mins, would give the crowd and the team an ulmighty lift. 

However no point doing that if the game is already out of sight.  The only way I could see it happening would be if Gordon was to start which would be extremely doubtful at this stage.  If I were James I'd be asking him to give everything for 40 mins and then bring on the Cavalry.

It shouldn't be underestimated how big a miss Garvey would be if as expected he is out of sat night.  Him and Rooney are James go to men and with O Hagan also out the options are limited.

Should also mention the two Johnstons.  I like a few around me was sceptical when both were brought on at half time but both had major impact on the game and it was a pity he got injured when he did.

Laverty is Laverty and even though I don't like some of the things he gets up to I would prefer to have him with me than against me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 19, 2014, 11:17:54 PM
There's no shortage of advice available for James, but the impact his substitutions made yesterday tells us that he knows his squad pretty well and is ready to make the right calls. The biggest worry would be injuries, as Garvey never goes off easily and Jerome Johnston's leg looked heavily strapped as he headed towards the dressing room. He was the victim of a blatant kick, rather than a trip, from Morgan, and it plainly should have been a red card. Maginn will know he was lucky to escape a black for their penalty, but, even though he had an outstanding game, we would still have been able to replace him, probably with Ryan Johnston, another fine player. If Morgan had got his red, we would have had the extra man for the last 25 minutes, and he would have been unavailable for any replay.

Turley seemed to take a knock before he was replaced at half time, while Ambrose was probably not fully fit from the start. James may well have to consider starting either or both of them again, as the chances of getting 70 minutes at midfield out of Benny are probably slim. However, Benny showed yesterday that a natural football brain will take you a long way. It was probably his best display since the AI quarter or semi of 2010, and it is really a question of deciding whether we would get a bigger boost from starting him or exploiting the massive lift from the crowd when he appears from the bench.

The way he and Doyle were able to find space and pick out each other as the game opened up suggests they should both be held back, but that may not be possible if the injury list does not ease up by the weekend. We can assume that every effort will be made to see if big Dan might be up to a run in the final quarter as well.

It is going to be a fascinating match on Saturday, as Tyrone will have fine players to come in as well. However, we now know that they are not as formidable a side as many people were suggesting in advance. Newry is always a fortress for us so there is everything to play for.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 20, 2014, 01:03:15 PM
League games switched from Friday night to Monday night.  Lot of unhappy managers and players about the county who were looking forward to a good long weekend after a (fingers crossed) win in Newry on Saturday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on May 20, 2014, 01:35:35 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 20, 2014, 01:03:15 PM
League games switched from Friday night to Monday night.  Lot of unhappy managers and players about the county who were looking forward to a good long weekend after a (fingers crossed) win in Newry on Saturday night.

A dry weekend for most is right - if Down do the business on Saturday night though it will be tempting for most to celebrate just a little.  Rostrevor v Kilcoo is on Thu night so at least one game to wet the appetite before Saturday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 20, 2014, 08:20:34 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 20, 2014, 01:03:15 PM
League games switched from Friday night to Monday night.  Lot of unhappy managers and players about the county who were looking forward to a good long weekend after a (fingers crossed) win in Newry on Saturday night.

Division 3 boys can go on the rip all weekend :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 20, 2014, 10:15:53 PM
If the games are starred on Monday I can't understand why they are changed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 20, 2014, 10:55:35 PM
Kilcoo v Rostrevor is also on Monday. Unsuitable for both clubs as most of rostrevor squad are on a stag all weekend for one of their players, a stag 3 kilcoo players are also on. Kilcoo lads all have wedding at weekend where senior star for many years, Sean OHanlon gets married.
I don't think the fixture will spoil the weekend for everyone but seriously is inconvenient as there was never a mon night fixture for this date and now this has been sprung at short notice.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 21, 2014, 12:15:28 AM
Paddy Carr and Bernie Ruane will need plenty of eyes at the Blues festival on Sunday night. I can't figure out why this had been changed. Does anyone know the reasoning?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on May 21, 2014, 08:02:17 AM
Why is anyone surprised by the decision club football is a necessary evil for our county board at this time of year if they could postpone all club games until the county team were beat they would no common sense not a thought for the hundreds of honest club footballers and their families who have planned around a Friday night fixture bank holidays are a rare chance to plan things if you are a gaa family weddings ect and how many will benefit from this 6 or 7 players but remember folks its THE DOWN WAY
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 21, 2014, 08:56:48 AM
If Down are beat on Saturday surely the games on Monday won't be starred?? Down wouldn't have another game for 5 weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 21, 2014, 10:18:22 AM
I assume county players would have been available for these fixtures as they should have been coming during a big layoff between championship rounds. So it seems sensible to move the fixtures.

But moving them to Monday doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Many people have pointed out that over a Bank Holiday people make plans and so the teams may actually be weaker due to the loss of several players instead of one or two county players. In addition if the games are on Monday will the county players even be able to play after playing a championship match on Saturday night?

I think it is completely ridiculous, they should have just starred the games and moved on with the programme.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on May 21, 2014, 04:13:54 PM
Need some help, trying to arrange my stag for August/September, does anyone know of a weekend when there are no senior (and preferably reserve) fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 21, 2014, 04:27:56 PM
Quote from: southdown on May 21, 2014, 04:13:54 PM
Need some help, trying to arrange my stag for August/September, does anyone know of a weekend when there are no senior (and preferably reserve) fixtures?

AIF weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 21, 2014, 04:30:55 PM
We've played ACPRL fixtures on All-Ireland Saturday before, but 5 Sams is right, that weekend is your safest bet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 21, 2014, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 21, 2014, 04:30:55 PM
We've played ACPRL fixtures on All-Ireland Saturday before, but 5 Sams is right, that weekend is your safest bet.


...and what better way to spend a Sunday on your stag than sitting in a pub with your mates drinking pints watching the Dubs batter a load of culchies.....again :( :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on May 21, 2014, 04:37:06 PM
Cheers.  Im going to Dublin though, so that's the one weekend I'm trying to avoid, lads will be playing in Kilmacud also so it will not work.

Are there full fixtures weekend 30th August?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 21, 2014, 04:39:57 PM
Quote from: southdown on May 21, 2014, 04:37:06 PM
Cheers.  Im going to Dublin though, so that's the one weekend I'm trying to avoid, lads will be playing in Kilmacud also so it will not work.

Are there full fixtures weekend 30th August?
Nobody can possibly know that at this stage SouthDown. The club championship dates are subject to county team progress. At that time of year it could be hell for leather club time, or (hopefully) Down's involvement in an AI semi-final weekend wreaking havoc with the club game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 21, 2014, 06:15:12 PM
Aye and with championship games falling on any day of thurs-monday its very hard to plan - as I found out last year. HOPEFULY find out some dates soon!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 22, 2014, 01:42:34 PM
Can't help on the scheduling points but Good luck with the stag, good luck with the wedding

Congratulations
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DaddyLongLegs on May 22, 2014, 02:01:23 PM
Quote from: gaamann on May 21, 2014, 08:02:17 AM
Why is anyone surprised by the decision club football is a necessary evil for our county board at this time of year if they could postpone all club games until the county team were beat they would no common sense not a thought for the hundreds of honest club footballers and their families who have planned around a Friday night fixture bank holidays are a rare chance to plan things if you are a gaa family weddings ect and how many will benefit from this 6 or 7 players but remember folks its THE DOWN WAY

Its always worth remembering that the County Board aren't some mythical body up in the sky - its made up of the Clubs of Down with all Clubs having a representation. So instead of sitting on the sidelines slagging off the "County Board, why not speak with your county rep  - if you know who that is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on May 22, 2014, 07:08:47 PM
Yes Daddylonglegs your correct we all have a county rep and I know ours really well but are you telling me county reps have any input into the major decisions that are made do you think Sean Og phoned them on sunday night to ask their option on the re-fixing of games the main decisions are made by 4 or 5 of the inner circle and then justified with the comments done for the good of club and county I cant see how it will benefit all the club players who have had there bank holiday plans turned upsidedown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on May 22, 2014, 09:17:31 PM
clearly from the wording around the re-fixing of the games not everybody was in agreement and  thank goodness have got away from that bland statement "The Down Way" of a little while ago,however the matches are on and we will have to get on with it bank holiday or not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on May 22, 2014, 09:53:18 PM
Any one hear that the Club Championship might start in June?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 23, 2014, 04:55:01 PM
james has named the same team that started the last day in omagh. how many changes do we reckon before throw in? I reckon 2 at least, don't think benny will start though. hopefully pairc esler will be packed to the rafters to cheer on a narrow down victory.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on May 23, 2014, 06:12:20 PM
Good luck to the seniors tomorrow and i too hope the ground is packed with a great vocal support for the men in red and black--UP DOWN!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 24, 2014, 11:24:32 PM
A disappointing night for us tonight but we probably knew that Tyrone were never going to throw away a big lead for the second game running. The big difference was Morgan returning in goals, as not only does he land his kick-outs on a sixpence but he puts over his 45s with the minimum of fuss. Our defence, sadly, is not quite up to this level, and it requires surgery if we are going to have any sort of a run in the qualifiers. Big Dan was excellent at midfield but we probably need him more at the back. Of the six defenders who started, only Garvey looked the part. The other five struggled to cope with what is fairness is a fine Tyrone attack.

It might have been different if we had got the lift from the first minute penalty, but it was a poor effort from Carr and he did not really recover for the rest of the evening. The first Tyrone goal was a bit of a mess and the second caught us cold after the restart. Their penalty seemed harsh, but it did not make much difference by then.

Maginn had a brilliant first half, but faded noticably toward the end and Poland was very tightly marked. McKernan had his moments but never really got going, and Madine is a great ball-winner who might be more effective further forward. Our front three frequently looked impressive, with the main problem being that we insisted on firing in high balls to Laverty. Every time we played it low down the wings, he looked much more dangerous. Jerome Johnston was always a threat, and very unlucky when his shot came back from the inside of the post, while O'Hare, apart from one missed free, did really well.

Benny got an excellent point as soon as he came on, but he could have been straight off again for his follow-through after Johnston hit the post. Ryan Johnston definitely made a difference and deserves to start the next one, possibly at half back, while hopefully Ambrose is getting closer to full fitness. It is frustrating that another Doyle injury set-back presumably ruled him out, as we could really be doing with him. If he is available the next day, and both Turleys also return, perhaps our summer can stretch out for a while.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on May 24, 2014, 11:45:47 PM
We are once again clutching at straws despite some spirited efforts we are avery long way short of contesting at even middle level and we clearly if it was not already apparent do not have the team never mind the squad to mount a serious challenge in Ulster-do we continue with the same or is it time for change-i think the latter should be reasonably considered
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 25, 2014, 12:18:20 AM
Mourne Rover, are you for real? Placing all our future hopes on the players you have mentioned really wouldn't inspire any confidence in making any progress this Summer.  Tonight was an embarrassment. From the penalty where, like last week, Carr hit it with all he had (does he not think that keepers might actually know what he is going to do)  to missing easy chances again, O'Hare and Gordon to name two, we were just awful.  At one stage in the first half we must have made 20 fist passes between the 65's only for Sean Cavanagh to turn the ball over and set up a Tyrone attack.  We were continually ponderous in playing the ball forward and it was worse that Johnston and Laverty were winning every direct ball played in but we just would put it in early enough.  With Carr not marking Mc Ginley it was no wonder that he scored two goals, at this level you cannot expect to get away with this but Carr cannot be blamed as he was only doing as he was told, dropping off to protect the full back line.  Our half forward line was a major disappointment, Maginn couldn't handle Harte, our captain Poland should have been taken off as he posed no threat and a number of times slowed up rather than attacking the ball and was no threat whatsoever.  Only to give Ryan Johnston 15 minutes was a joke.  We were crying out for a player to be direct and run at Tyrone like he did last week but he didn't get long enough (it also doesn't help when your Da runs onto the field to give out to his marker for giving him loads all the same).
I reckon it is the end for a lot of players and also the management. I'm not saying they should go but I think they will go. Changes are needed. Like 2010 we might get a handy run in the qualifiers but if we do, it is only delaying the inevitable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 25, 2014, 12:59:46 AM
Line Ball, the main suggestion put forward was that five of our six starting defenders did not perform to the standard required and changes were needed. It would be a little surprising if you disagreed.  I think we should revert to big Dan at full back with the two Turleys and Ryan Johnston also coming in at the back. If you have some better ideas, let us hear them.

It is also wrong to claim that Morgan knew what Carr was going to do with the penalty. In Omagh, Carr put it firmly to the keeper's left. In Newry, he did not connect properly and struck it down the middle. Unless Morgan had dived out of the way, he could hardly have failed to save it.

As a division two side, we probably surprised ourselves with our second half display last week and reality set in in the replay. The time to assess our management is at the end of the season, not before we have kicked a ball in the qualifiers.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 25, 2014, 01:40:25 AM
So you are putting Dan Gordon, the only man who made any clean catches between the two teams in the middle of the field, to full back.  Why?  He is not and never was a full back, and to suggest putting him back there is ludicrous.  (Dont mention 2010 or the likes because it has never worked) Ok, if we go with your new defence with four new players who do you drop?

As for Carrs penalty, he hammered it last week.  It swerved a bit then but there was no attempt to change his style tonight and it cost us.  Getting off to a sharp start was totally necessary, taking up where we left off was vital but due to the penalty miss it didn't happen.

To describe our display tonight as "reality setting in" would assume that you hadn't much faith in he team or didn't think we could win.  I, like you, do not have faith in the current selection both on and off the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 25, 2014, 01:24:07 PM
Line Ball, we may have to agree to differ over the Carr penalties. In Omagh, his shot pretty clearly went to his right and the keeper's left. In Newry, by accident or design, it went straight down the middle. If he had repeated his approach from the first day, he would almost certainly have scored.

It is important to have a proper debate after a defeat, but it is difficult to understand why you think that putting Gordon at full back has never worked and we should not mention 2010. The reason we need to look at 2010 is because it was our best season in the last two decades. With Gordon at full back, we conceded one goal from play in our final four games against the best teams left in the championship. Yesterday, Tyrone scored three goals and could easily have had at least another three. If we allow any opponents six or seven decent goal chances in the course of a match, we will lose and it will not matter who is at midfield. We know that full back may not be Gordon's best position, but the evidence is that it is where he is of most value to the team.

Although you ask who I would drop at the back, my previous post said that only Garvey played to the standard required yesterday. None of the others could complain if someone else was given a chance, even if it stretches our resources.

I would be inclined to go with Gordon at full back and McArdle and Dee Turley in the corners. McKernan is probably our best centre half, with Garvey and possibly Ryan Johnston outside him. We could try Ambrose, if fit, with Peter Turley at midfield, with Benny coming on after the break.

None of this is ideal, but we do not have enough quality to go round. If you have any better ideas, particularly for a full back,  then, as I said the last time, let us hear them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 25, 2014, 02:26:40 PM
Ive been going to Down matches for thirty years and Ive never seen an Ardglass man start a minor or senior championship game, off the top of my head I can only think of Rory Sharvin from neighbours Kilclief who might have started a minor championship game over twenty years ago. I think someone from Bright may have played minor for Down in the early ninties. Yet when it comes to other sports local lads have no trouble getting recognised. Almost ever other year Ardglass would have someone representing Down at the Milk cup in soccer, some years there have been two representatives. Several local lads have represented  Ulster and Ireland in golf, a few locals are making a living at it and young Cormac Sharvin from Kilclief looks to have a big future ahead of them. Yet when it comes to GAA, every year a young fella will make through the trials play for Down in the league, get the tracksuit etc but come Spring, will be dropped once the newry colleges are finished in McCrory.

A couple of years ago Ruairi Sharvin from Kilclief was good enough to play midfield for the team that won the IFC, indeed he scored the decisive goal but wasnt deemed good enough to even make the minor county panel. Id wager if he had to have gone to the Abbey or St Colmans he would have been a key player for them and ironically probably would have been parachuted into the county team.

When Shea McCartan was home for the summer from Burnley FC, he was invited straight into the Down minor panel, when Chris Deegans was home from Southampton was he invited for even a trial? no, was Gerard McCargo offered a trial when he was home from Leeds? no was Neil Teggart when he was home from Sunderland? no. It seems one rule for the newry lads and another for our end of the county. It has got to the stage where young lads wont even bother going to county trials now, a waste of time you would be told, and its very difficult to argue with them.

Yet other similar sized clubs like Teconnaught, Drumaness, Tullylish, Glenn, Drumgath, Bredagh regulary have underage county representatives. We havent won a senior ulster title in twenty years, the current selection process is obviously not working, maybe the development squads that are in place now are a step in the right direction and we have lads on these teams but a lot of people would suggest that if it came down to the crunch and a place on the team/panel came down to an Ardglass/kilclief/ Saul/Bright player or a longstone, glassdrumman Darragh cross drumgath etc it would be the local lad who misses out.

Im not saying over the last thirty years Down have missed out on a few Benny Coulters but even in recent years county players like Jackie Lynch, John Lavery, Adrian Scullion,  John McAreavey, among others have played against Ardglass and to suggest we havent produced players as talented or better in thirty years is ridiculous. Gaa is at is lowest ebb in our area for as long as I can remember and maybe the county board could be more proactive in organising the schedules of the coaching officers, I would eonder if their diarys were examined how proportionate their visits to the Lecale clubs would be compared to the Newry and Mourne clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on May 25, 2014, 03:04:17 PM
The Game was lost on the sideline before a ball was kicked. Our style of play is shockingly bad & poor to watch. As mentioned already there is absolutely no penetration and 9 passes out of 10 are backwards or sidewards. Possession is everything yes, but when it leads to you getting turned over time after time it is worthless.

Ryan Johnston should have started. We are lacking pace going forward, When he came on he made Tyrone Defenders think a bit more and cover his lung bursting runs. Ryan Boyle is not a corner back & his pace is wasted in that position. Dan McCartan & him were caught defending the wrong side far too much.

While Dan Gordon stood and caught ball he is clearly nowhere near match fitness as all day he was caught out by Tyrone's kick outs. Many people commented on Morgans accuracy but he had 20 yards of space to play balls into because McKernan & Gordon didnt mark their men for kickouts.

McVeigh - No chance with the goals. Again this week a point came off the bar and looked poor talking between him and a defender.

McCartan - Poor most of the day and continually turned too easy

McArdle - Not the answer here. Looked to be badly caught out for the goal

Boyle - Like McCartan turned too easy at times and is wasted at corner back

Rooney - Doesnt look fit and was poor again this week

Carr - Poor penalty. Tried to cover his position but had little impact on the game.

Garvey - Down's best defender but offers little going forward.

Gordon - Poor marking all day. Best fielder of a ball we have but got outplayed.

McKernan - Best passer of a ball Down have by a country mile but lacks discipline to play Midfield. Doesn't mark

Maginn - Should have been taken off. Peter Harte made him look a very poor player.

Poland - Anonymous performance again. Not good enough for a Captain

Johnston - Lively all day and showed well with poor service

O'Hare - Doesn't do enough from open play & very rarely takes his man on unlike Tyrone's forwards at the other end.

Madine - Looks slow and awkward. Offered very little

Laverty - Showed well like his clubmate Johnston but service was terrible at times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 25, 2014, 06:40:43 PM
pretty good summary guevra, agree with most of your points. cant believe its now 20 years since we have won an ulster title, a whole generation has come and gone without seeing any success. at the minute you would have to say we are as far away as ever.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on May 25, 2014, 09:22:56 PM
Hard to argue with anything Ardtole has said there.hes not saying that there have been a load of guys from his club overlooked for the senior county team,but that at underage level,particularly minor level,kids from certain clubs/areas of the county find it harder to get on the championship panel.i would agree with this completely.and the by product of it being that kids from those clubs have no interest in going to trials seems logical.which is a shame because,as Ardtole said with the example of mccargo and deegans,there are talented footballers in these clubs.
      If down are to reach their full potential and start to compete for ulster and all ireland titles again,it is essential that a large area such as lecale is producing county players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on May 25, 2014, 09:49:12 PM
Flip sake ardglass struggle to get 15 out every week never mind have county players.... Too many down there playing soccer or in jail as Charlie says.

However there are quality players in east down clubs like castlewellan rurari mcardle springs to mind and Kilcoo Niall McEvoy springs to mind here that would certainly be better than dan McCartan or Boyle in corner back!!   

Early ball into the two Kilcoo lads was working last night but Down had to many players wanting to slow it down..... Particularly Poland and Carr.  Panel seems very unsettled all year for example last week Gordon was in a pub in omagh before the match then he starts midfield yesterday. I doubt this would happen in any other county in Ireland.  This management team has maybe run its course... Quite often change is a good thing!


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on May 25, 2014, 10:07:13 PM
Michael Magee would have been the last Ardglass man to play for Down......iirc???
Big strong lad who was a fairly accurate Left footed-free taker.....whatevever happened him??
Quote from: charlieTully on May 25, 2014, 07:39:26 PM
Quote from: ardtole on May 25, 2014, 02:26:40 PM
Ive been going to Down matches for thirty years and Ive never seen an Ardglass man start a minor or senior championship game, off the top of my head I can only think of Rory Sharvin from neighbours Kilclief who might have started a minor championship game over twenty years ago. I think someone from Bright may have played minor for Down in the early ninties. Yet when it comes to other sports local lads have no trouble getting recognised. Almost ever other year Ardglass would have someone representing Down at the Milk cup in soccer, some years there have been two representatives. Several local lads have represented  Ulster and Ireland in golf, a few locals are making a living at it and young Cormac Sharvin from Kilclief looks to have a big future ahead of them. Yet when it comes to GAA, every year a young fella will make through the trials play for Down in the league, get the tracksuit etc but come Spring, will be dropped once the newry colleges are finished in McCrory.

A couple of years ago Ruairi Sharvin from Kilclief was good enough to play midfield for the team that won the IFC, indeed he scored the decisive goal but wasnt deemed good enough to even make the minor county panel. Id wager if he had to have gone to the Abbey or St Colmans he would have been a key player for them and ironically probably would have been parachuted into the county team.

When Shea McCartan was home for the summer from Burnley FC, he was invited straight into the Down minor panel, when Chris Deegans was home from Southampton was he invited for even a trial? no, was Gerard McCargo offered a trial when he was home from Leeds? no was Neil Teggart when he was home from Sunderland? no. It seems one rule for the newry lads and another for our end of the county. It has got to the stage where young lads wont even bother going to county trials now, a waste of time you would be told, and its very difficult to argue with them.

Yet other similar sized clubs like Teconnaught, Drumaness, Tullylish, Glenn, Drumgath, Bredagh regulary have underage county representatives. We havent won a senior ulster title in twenty years, the current selection process is obviously not working, maybe the development squads that are in place now are a step in the right direction and we have lads on these teams but a lot of people would suggest that if it came down to the crunch and a place on the team/panel came down to an Ardglass/kilclief/ Saul/Bright player or a longstone, glassdrumman Darragh cross drumgath etc it would be the local lad who misses out.

Im not saying over the last thirty years Down have missed out on a few Benny Coulters but even in recent years county players like Jackie Lynch, John Lavery, Adrian Scullion,  John McAreavey, among others have played against Ardglass and to suggest we havent produced players as talented or better in thirty years is ridiculous. Gaa is at is lowest ebb in our area for as long as I can remember and maybe the county board could be more proactive in organising the schedules of the coaching officers, I would eonder if their diarys were examined how proportionate their visits to the Lecale clubs would be compared to the Newry and Mourne clubs.

maybe in the qualifiers we will play the ardglass starting 15, that should steady the ship, then again they would all likely be red carded within 10 mins and arrested for GBH.
On a more serious note, Dan G was ok contesting ball in midfield but looked very pedastrian going forward and was like a extra Tyrone defender at times, his slowness broke up more attacks than tyrone, and that effort of a shot from 40 yards with two men running off his shoulder?, more a management fault though, its a big ask to come in fresh and be up to scratch in an ulster championship game, irrespective of flying in training shite, mornue rover mentioned maginn as having a brilliant first half, yet peter harte dominated him and pulled the strings for tyrone, his direct running is something hopefully ryan johnstone will equal in time but its a level he is not at as yet. harte was my mom by far, we were outclassed all over the field, if they had of took all their chances there could have been 30 in it. bleak days. maybe ardglass are the future.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on May 25, 2014, 10:26:32 PM
Lads there is no point or justice in slagging off individual players. No one goes out to play badly. The truth is we are just not good enough. What little ability we do have is being suppressed by by tentative management who have more fear of losing than hope of winning. In all our games this past two years we have only produced big performances when we threw the shackles off and went for it . We are at our best going forward not playing lateral possession in our own half. So what if we we lose, lets at least give it a lash and go down fighting. We are all agreed that our back six are no great shakes defending , so let give our forwards a chance, to play as forwards not half backs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 26, 2014, 08:07:29 AM
MK, Michael Magee came on as a sub for the minors against Cavan, he wasnt deemed good enough to start yet almost turned the gane for Down. He did play u21s alright, the two lads he marked in the all ireland semi final from Mayo and the two lads from Cork who were in midfield in the final and his midfirld partner Fitzpatrick have all played in All Ireland Finals yet Mick never even got one minute of action in a national league game despite being on the panel for two years, maybe if he was as good as Packie Downey he would have been given an oppurtunity. Im sure if he was related to the Carrs or McCartans he would have had ten years of opportunity. He has transferrred to Rgu this year, maybe he thought his county chances were limited playing for Ardglass, we will know better when the new manager takes over next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 26, 2014, 02:16:44 PM
Quote from: ardtole on May 26, 2014, 08:07:29 AM
MK, Michael Magee came on as a sub for the minors against Cavan, he wasnt deemed good enough to start yet almost turned the gane for Down. He did play u21s alright, the two lads he marked in the all ireland semi final from Mayo and the two lads from Cork who were in midfield in the final and his midfirld partner Fitzpatrick have all played in All Ireland Finals yet Mick never even got one minute of action in a national league game despite being on the panel for two years, maybe if he was as good as Packie Downey he would have been given an oppurtunity. Im sure if he was related to the Carrs or McCartans he would have had ten years of opportunity. He has transferrred to Rgu this year, maybe he thought his county chances were limited playing for Ardglass, we will know better when the new manager takes over next year.

No disrespect to Magee but he's nowhere near as talented as Packie. This East Down crap always surfaces every so often and its boring now. Apart from Kilcoo, Byransford, Castlewellan and Liatriom. East Down clubs are failing Down football in their failure to bring these talented players through. Newry Shamrock s are also in that failure bracket.

DownJim takes no prisoners!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 26, 2014, 02:29:31 PM
Quote from: ardtole on May 26, 2014, 08:07:29 AM
MK, Michael Magee came on as a sub for the minors against Cavan, he wasnt deemed good enough to start yet almost turned the gane for Down. He did play u21s alright, the two lads he marked in the all ireland semi final from Mayo and the two lads from Cork who were in midfield in the final and his midfirld partner Fitzpatrick have all played in All Ireland Finals yet Mick never even got one minute of action in a national league game despite being on the panel for two years, maybe if he was as good as Packie Downey he would have been given an oppurtunity. Im sure if he was related to the Carrs or McCartans he would have had ten years of opportunity. He has transferrred to Rgu this year, maybe he thought his county chances were limited playing for Ardglass, we will know better when the new manager takes over next year.

In fairness it is more difficult for an east Down player to get noticed for County recognition than a South Down Player. Being physically far away from the South Down area and playing in Division 3 means that there will be relatively few opportunities for Ardglass players to come to the attention of the county management. But then again Paul McComiskey started an All-Ireland final despite being from East Down, playing for Kilkeel school and never getting out of division 3. So it isn't impossible.

I agree that it is strange that a man who played as well as Michael Magee in his younger days hasn't really had a chance. But then again he has been in the squad. Isn't that his chance? If he was out-fielding Dan Gordon and slamming in four goals every training session do you really think he wouldn't be on the starting team? I would agree with you if he had never been in the squad, but the fact that he gets offered the chance to show his merits but doesn't make a big enough impression to get a shirt tells me something. By the way I have seen him play and he isn't exactly the next Kieran Donaghy. Some players don't push on from minor -  for example Michael Walsh was one of the best in the country in his underage teams but never performed at county level.

I totally disagree that an Ardglass player would be discriminated against if he were in the county panel. Once he gets there he would have as good a shot as anyone (well maybe excluding blood relations of the manager). The problem is getting there in the first place. That is not as easy as if you were in Division 1. That's true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on May 26, 2014, 02:49:22 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 26, 2014, 02:29:31 PM
Quote from: ardtole on May 26, 2014, 08:07:29 AM
MK, Michael Magee came on as a sub for the minors against Cavan, he wasnt deemed good enough to start yet almost turned the gane for Down. He did play u21s alright, the two lads he marked in the all ireland semi final from Mayo and the two lads from Cork who were in midfield in the final and his midfirld partner Fitzpatrick have all played in All Ireland Finals yet Mick never even got one minute of action in a national league game despite being on the panel for two years, maybe if he was as good as Packie Downey he would have been given an oppurtunity. Im sure if he was related to the Carrs or McCartans he would have had ten years of opportunity. He has transferrred to Rgu this year, maybe he thought his county chances were limited playing for Ardglass, we will know better when the new manager takes over next year.

In fairness it is more difficult for an east Down player to get noticed for County recognition than a South Down Player. Being physically far away from the South Down area and playing in Division 3 means that there will be relatively few opportunities for Ardglass players to come to the attention of the county management. But then again Paul McComiskey started an All-Ireland final despite being from East Down, playing for Kilkeel school and never getting out of division 3. So it isn't impossible.

I agree that it is strange that a man who played as well as Michael Magee in his younger days hasn't really had a chance. But then again he has been in the squad. Isn't that his chance? If he was out-fielding Dan Gordon and slamming in four goals every training session do you really think he wouldn't be on the starting team? I would agree with you if he had never been in the squad, but the fact that he gets offered the chance to show his merits but doesn't make a big enough impression to get a shirt tells me something. By the way I have seen him play and he isn't exactly the next Kieran Donaghy. Some players don't push on from minor -  for example Michael Walsh was one of the best in the country in his underage teams but never performed at county level.

I totally disagree that an Ardglass player would be discriminated against if he were in the county panel. Once he gets there he would have as good a shot as anyone (well maybe excluding blood relations of the manager). The problem is getting there in the first place. That is not as easy as if you were in Division 1. That's true.

Just to flag you up on a few errors.

Paul McComiskey did not got to a Kilkeel school. He went to the Red High in Downpatrick.

Secondly, Dundrum were in the old Division 2 in 2008 after winning Division 3 in 2007 so you are wrong on that point as well. Paul played on the Down senior team in 2008 too.

When he played in the 2005 All Ireland Minor final we were Division 4, Division 3 in 2009 with the All Ireland U-21 final and Division 3 again in 2010 when he played in the All Ireland Senior final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 26, 2014, 02:54:23 PM
Mickey Walsh was MOTM v Cavan in Casement park one year. He performed well for Down but injuries cut short his career. He won numerous championships with his club. He had not a bad career after minor to be fair .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on May 26, 2014, 04:06:06 PM
Downs problem Is bigger than the tyrone game. too many players on the starting 15 not good enough. but they try their best so to come on here and slabber about a man who trains 4/5 times a week for the love of it (because apart from Dublin its an amateur sport) is cowardly.
the management need to have a look at themselves also. ryan Johnson gets 15 mins after being outstanding in 2nd half v tyrone in omagh. dan Gordon was put to full forward and the team decides to run with the ball while they humped high balls to Laverty.
James and co should be thanked for there effort and asked to close the door on the way out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 26, 2014, 04:33:15 PM
You say it's not ok to slag players yet you slag the management  ::)
There were a few boys playing on Saturday not fully behind the wheel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 26, 2014, 04:59:49 PM
Ok, hands up I thought McComiskey went to St Louis with Clarke and Colgan. Also fair enough he had (was it one season?) in Division 2. But really it doesn't change at all the point that he played in the lower divisions when making the Down senior team, plays club football in East Down and didn't go to a Newry McCrory cup school.

Despite all this he was good enough and proved it and was selected as a starter in the All-Ireland Final. So the idea that an East Down player can't make it is not true. Perhaps Michael Magee just simply didn't perform well enough to be selected. And, as he is the best Ardglass have produced for some time, maybe that is the real reason we have never seen an Ardglass player in the Senior team.

But I also still think in fairness that it is more difficult for an East Down player to get noticed than a South Down player. But that has as much to do with the level they play at, rather than distance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 26, 2014, 05:17:36 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 26, 2014, 04:59:49 PM
Ok, hands up I thought McComiskey went to St Louis with Clarke and Colgan. Also fair enough he had (was it one season?) in Division 2. But really it doesn't change at all the point that he played in the lower divisions when making the Down senior team, plays club football in East Down and didn't go to a Newry McCrory cup school.

Despite all this he was good enough and proved it and was selected as a starter in the All-Ireland Final. So the idea that an East Down player can't make it is not true. Perhaps Michael Magee just simply didn't perform well enough to be selected. And, as he is the best Ardglass have produced for some time, maybe that is the real reason we have never seen an Ardglass player in the Senior team.

But I also still think in fairness that it is more difficult for an East Down player to get noticed than a South Down player. But that has as much to do with the level they play at, rather than distance.

I don't think so PaulD. For example, the under-21 team that made the All-Ireland final in 2009 had 7 East Down players from 6 different clubs, including the aforementioned Magee. It's swings and roundabouts. Some years there's a lot of East Down talent, other years less so. But with the majority of senior clubs in the county hailing from South Down, most years the bigger spread will come from there.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 26, 2014, 05:58:56 PM
I think the fact McCommiskey played for James at Queens was a big help in his senior football career plus the fact he is a very gifted footballer. I agree with Wobbler that the majority of players are going to come from teams that are playing senior football, it stands to reason. But I do think that their are players from our end of the county that are simply being ignored. We have had a shite defence for the best part of fifteen years, since paddy orourke and Ross and DJ our full back line in particular has been consistently poor. Could Stevie Deegans or Adam King improved the defence I would argue they would have. If Philly Gill was from Clonduff or Mayobridge would he have got a chance with the county? probably. Im not saying there are half a dozen county standard footballers ready to take Down to the next level, there are probably none at the minute. But over the years there have been qualility players overlooked by various  Down managers.

We have won f#ck all in twenty years, in counties like Cork and Kerry they regulary have players from junior clubs, the meath full forward is from a junior club. Kilclief were in division two for approx ten years and Rosie Sloan in particular was playing very good football, how many chances did he get with Ross Carr? none, yet Gareth Johnson must have got at least half a dozen chances and he wasnt even playing club football until he joined Darragh cross I think. Its bizzare.

What concerns me in the long term, Wee James will probably pack it in after this season, a new man will get in, I hope for Mick Magees sake he gets another chance at county football. But if he does and it works out for him are any young lads in the future coming through at underage going to be thinking, I want to play for Down, will I need to transfer to RGU, im not going to get a chance at Ardglass, are the small clubs expected to be feeder clubs for senior teams? I seen Mick play 3 or 4 times in the McKenna cup and he always done alright, he got three points against tyrone, he definitley didnt look out of place. Yet some lads Eoin McCartan for example, was played in games were he was clearly injured, important games as well. Rant over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 26, 2014, 06:03:24 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 26, 2014, 04:59:49 PM
Ok, hands up I thought McComiskey went to St Louis with Clarke and Colgan. Also fair enough he had (was it one season?) in Division 2. But really it doesn't change at all the point that he played in the lower divisions when making the Down senior team, plays club football in East Down and didn't go to a Newry McCrory cup school.

Despite all this he was good enough and proved it and was selected as a starter in the All-Ireland Final. So the idea that an East Down player can't make it is not true. Perhaps Michael Magee just simply didn't perform well enough to be selected. And, as he is the best Ardglass have produced for some time, maybe that is the real reason we have never seen an Ardglass player in the Senior team.

But I also still think in fairness that it is more difficult for an East Down player to get noticed than a South Down player. But that has as much to do with the level they play at, rather than distance.

I think your thinking of one of the loughinisland brothers Jamie Oreilly I think might have played with Kilkeel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on May 26, 2014, 10:18:22 PM
Nevermind the East Down South Down Malarkey.. Great result for Glenn tonite in Hilltown. So much for them being the whipping boys with over a 3rd of the season having been played so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on May 26, 2014, 11:23:11 PM
As a Glenn supporter we had some great BATTLES against Ardglass  and big Mick was always a handful don't think his ability was the problem seemed hard to manage and played for himself agree with artole it is harder to make the breakthrough when your from a smaller club but don't get too caught up in all that we had players played at county minor and senior in the past few years and if anything it set the club back 2 years soldier on develope your youth keep them together and you will see progress
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on May 27, 2014, 12:09:43 AM
Anyone any dates r hear when any of the championships will start for senior r reserve

While speaking of championship will last years junior & inter championship winners tecconaught & drumgath going to end up like prev years winners warrenpoint & dundrum who got relegrated the next season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on May 27, 2014, 09:48:14 AM
Was at the Clonduff v Glenn match last night and was very impressed with Glenn. They were very worthy winners and if truth be told should have won by more. They became very jittery in the second half but had a 9 point lead at half time so could afford a few mistakes. Mattie Bagnall was a constant thorn in the Clonduff side. They played a sweeper in the 1st half and he attacked with great purpose at every opportunity. Clonduff on the other hand were very poor, seemed to have no ideas going forward and were very poor in defence. They are definitely a club in trouble at the minute. With the big number in Div 1 they will probably survive but only just. Aidan Carr was a big miss last night and Darren O'Hagan made his first appearance of the year for the club which was a boost. Rumours are that Arthur Mc Conville is heading to America again for the summer to play football. They have some good young footballers but maybe too much being expected of the too soon. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on May 27, 2014, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: ardtole on May 26, 2014, 05:58:56 PM
I think the fact McCommiskey played for James at Queens was a big help in his senior football career plus the fact he is a very gifted footballer. I agree with Wobbler that the majority of players are going to come from teams that are playing senior football, it stands to reason. But I do think that their are players from our end of the county that are simply being ignored. We have had a shite defence for the best part of fifteen years, since paddy orourke and Ross and DJ our full back line in particular has been consistently poor. Could Stevie Deegans or Adam King improved the defence I would argue they would have. If Philly Gill was from Clonduff or Mayobridge would he have got a chance with the county? probably. Im not saying there are half a dozen county standard footballers ready to take Down to the next level, there are probably none at the minute. But over the years there have been qualility players overlooked by various  Down managers.

We have won f#ck all in twenty years, in counties like Cork and Kerry they regulary have players from junior clubs, the meath full forward is from a junior club. Kilclief were in division two for approx ten years and Rosie Sloan in particular was playing very good football, how many chances did he get with Ross Carr? none, yet Gareth Johnson must have got at least half a dozen chances and he wasnt even playing club football until he joined Darragh cross I think. Its bizzare.

What concerns me in the long term, Wee James will probably pack it in after this season, a new man will get in, I hope for Mick Magees sake he gets another chance at county football. But if he does and it works out for him are any young lads in the future coming through at underage going to be thinking, I want to play for Down, will I need to transfer to RGU, im not going to get a chance at Ardglass, are the small clubs expected to be feeder clubs for senior teams? I seen Mick play 3 or 4 times in the McKenna cup and he always done alright, he got three points against tyrone, he definitley didnt look out of place. Yet some lads Eoin McCartan for example, was played in games were he was clearly injured, important games as well. Rant over.

Loughinisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 27, 2014, 11:19:21 AM
Quote from: Predictor on May 27, 2014, 12:09:43 AM
Anyone any dates r hear when any of the championships will start for senior r reserve

While speaking of championship will last years junior & inter championship winners tecconaught & drumgath going to end up like prev years winners warrenpoint & dundrum who got relegrated the next season

Sometime in June from what I hear.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rory on May 27, 2014, 12:35:04 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 27, 2014, 11:19:21 AM
Quote from: Predictor on May 27, 2014, 12:09:43 AM
Anyone any dates r hear when any of the championships will start for senior r reserve

While speaking of championship will last years junior & inter championship winners tecconaught & drumgath going to end up like prev years winners warrenpoint & dundrum who got relegrated the next season

Sometime in June from what I hear.

June 12th - 15th
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on May 27, 2014, 02:23:17 PM
disgrace! the county board need to look at themselves how do ya plan anything around the gaa calendar if everything is just thrown together last minute, why was Friday nights games called of if the county players couldn't play anyway?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on May 27, 2014, 09:50:13 PM
Great win for Leitrim in Burren tonight.

Have to say they were well worth their win, they worked hard and whilst I would say they are still heavily reliant on Doyle and O'Prey who both played well, they all tackled and harried Burren into coughing up position and then coverted it into attack.

I for one am worried that Burren have not only been weakened by a number of injuries and departures but they seem to be lacking belief or purpose at the minute.

We need all our available players playing regularly and with the exception of Kevin, Donal and Dan, hopefully they all will get behind the wheel. Definitely a period of transition but where is the players from the u21 teams that played so well.

Long year ahead and definitley wonkt be troubling anybody in terms of silverware this year.

Well done Leitrim tonight.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 27, 2014, 09:53:42 PM
Liam Doyle made wee boys out of Burren tonight who are in serious serious bother.  The current management setup there makes Frank Dawson look like Mickey Harte and Jim McGuinness combined!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on May 27, 2014, 10:11:15 PM
Does anyone have a link or copy of the league tables after last night's matches?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on May 27, 2014, 10:12:49 PM
WGM that's harsh, but definitely some questionable decisions made along line but that also happened in the championship final last year too.

Truth is Burren are still missing Cathal Murdock, Gerard McCartan, Declan Rooney, Anton McArdle and Shay McArdle, add in Kevin, Donal, Dan and its a big loss.

However we were still winning tonight a relinquished a 3 or 4 point lead, we lacked fight and belief in key areas.

The management must now sort out the players that are there and ensure they are playing for the jersey and playing for their places.

Too many boys in cruise control and badly in need of a rocket.

Its upto Paddy Carr and Gavin Murdock to ensure that everyone is pushed to the limit to get things back on track and moving forward.

That will tell whether they can emulate Frank or Mickey or Jimmy as you put it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 27, 2014, 11:41:37 PM
I heard a rumour today that a ref was assaulted in a reserve final. Sad day and I hope the culprit is banned heavily.
We are in dire straits at the minute in Burren. The confidence is lost  but with our full squad back we can still compete with the best.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 28, 2014, 12:17:19 AM
Quote from: downjim on May 27, 2014, 11:41:37 PM
I heard a rumour today that a ref was assaulted in a reserve final. Sad day and I hope the culprit is banned heavily.
We are in dire straits at the minute in Burren. The confidence is lost  but with our full squad back we can still compete with the best.

Reserve Final?? Bit early for that...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 28, 2014, 07:37:46 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 28, 2014, 12:17:19 AM
Quote from: downjim on May 27, 2014, 11:41:37 PM
I heard a rumour today that a ref was assaulted in a reserve final. Sad day and I hope the culprit is banned heavily.
We are in dire straits at the minute in Burren. The confidence is lost  but with our full squad back we can still compete with the best.

Reserve Final?? Bit early for that...

A bit early for assaulting referees as well!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Clinker on May 28, 2014, 10:09:50 AM
Saw a fella getting dropped off at St Mary's Training College there.
Registration of the car was D91 SAM.  Anybody famous?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 28, 2014, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 28, 2014, 12:17:19 AM
Quote from: downjim on May 27, 2014, 11:41:37 PM
I heard a rumour today that a ref was assaulted in a reserve final. Sad day and I hope the culprit is banned heavily.
We are in dire straits at the minute in Burren. The confidence is lost  but with our full squad back we can still compete with the best.

Reserve Final?? Bit early for that...

Felix Darby?

Quote from: forevergreen on May 27, 2014, 10:12:49 PM
WGM that's harsh, but definitely some questionable decisions made along line but that also happened in the championship final last year too.

Truth is Burren are still missing Cathal Murdock, Gerard McCartan, Declan Rooney, Anton McArdle and Shay McArdle, add in Kevin, Donal, Dan and its a big loss.

However we were still winning tonight a relinquished a 3 or 4 point lead, we lacked fight and belief in key areas.

The management must now sort out the players that are there and ensure they are playing for the jersey and playing for their places.

Too many boys in cruise control and badly in need of a rocket.

Its upto Paddy Carr and Gavin Murdock to ensure that everyone is pushed to the limit to get things back on track and moving forward.

That will tell whether they can emulate Frank or Mickey or Jimmy as you put it.

Can't really count Rooney he doesn't play for Burren sure! Are the likes of Sean Murdock, James McGovern, Conor Toner, Eamon Toner etc playing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 28, 2014, 11:59:55 AM
Does anyone know much about Aussie Rules? I notice that Marty Clarke played the first AFL game for Collingwood back in March and has been dropped to the VFL team ever since. Is that a big deal? Like big enough to start dreaming he may be back sometime soon?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on May 28, 2014, 12:12:01 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 28, 2014, 11:59:55 AM
Does anyone know much about Aussie Rules? I notice that Marty Clarke played the first AFL game for Collingwood back in March and has been dropped to the VFL team ever since. Is that a big deal? Like big enough to start dreaming he may be back sometime soon?

It appears from his article in the Hogan Stand website that he is settled in Australia.  It isnt good for him not being in the first team but it is a wage for him.  I suspect if he doesnt make it through to the Collingwood first team he will get another contract with a smaller team to extend his stay.  That will take him up to about 30 years of age or so and at that stage he will be looking at retirement.  He may come back and play for a year or two at that stage and possibly pick up media work for that time but as far as long term planning I think Marty has made his choice.  We can always dream however!!  Clarke spreading those beautiful passes into Coulter/McCumiskey/J Clarke and Murtagh were a thing of beauty back in 2010.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on May 28, 2014, 02:19:01 PM
In the wake of last Saturday nights match there has been a lot of criticism on here as per usual.

When driving home all of us in the car were of the opinion that there was actually nobody in a Down shirt that played poorly.

James was right in saying that the scoreboard was not a fair reflection of the performance. At the end of the day if Tyrone had'nt have got thier (non) penalty and Carr had put ours away, the deficit would have only been two. All ifs and buts of course however things don't seem just so gloomy for a run in the qualifiers.

When we look at how the Down defence performed there were some positives. Sean Cavanagh was well marshalled whilst thier entire (higly rated) full forward line was substituted only scoring once from play. Sure, McKenna came on and looked like an All-star but the game was over at this point. The difference for for me was that Tyrone were just more clinical and McGinley had a big input for them as he actually was'nt marked by anybody for long periods as Down deployed the sweeper and left him free.

With the break now the lads can go back to thier clubs. Those who have just returned from long term injuries in recent months ie: Gordan, Garvey, Ambrose, Rooney, O'Hagan & co can get more games with the possibility of James adding one or two other faces. In the qualifiers most teams simply will not want to draw Down, so hopefully this team can gather some momentum and go on a run.

One other thing, Conor Laverty!
Love him or loathe him this man is an exceptional footballer. His best position is right up in the full forward line. Anytime he is played here he is devastating both for club and county. Most of the games I have seen him play for Down have been where he is roving around midfield but as we seen against Monaghan in 2012 and in the 2nd half in Omagh in the first half last Saturday he must play up top with his young clubmate. This could be key to Downs gameplan for the rest of the summer. Also on the point of players and positions, Big Dan is our best midfielder plain and simple, for a man that has barely kicked a ball for two years he caught more clean catches on Saturday night than we did all through the league campaign. McArdle is a fine full back and would'nt be under pressure on the edge of the square if our strongest midfield is fit and winning posession around the middle.

 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 28, 2014, 02:40:37 PM
I agree the margin of victory was flattering - A missed Down Penalty, a phantom penalty awarded to Tyrone, a blatant rugby tackle by McMahon on Johnston being unpunished for another penalty, a missed short free (again), Jerome hit the post, the lucky break of the ball to land at McKenna's feet for their 1st goal.

But I believe we were always going to lose, Tyrone were better and always looked capable of pulling that extra shot out to beat us.

The big disappointment for me is the lack of real chances we created. Tyrone create a lot of opportunities, they miss a lot too. If the sharpen up then they will be deadly and real contenders for Sam. We could be clinical and still only end the average game wit about 15 points. We simply do not create enough scoring opportunities.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Uptheyellas on May 28, 2014, 02:42:55 PM
Quote from: downup on May 27, 2014, 09:48:14 AM
Clonduff on the other hand were very poor, seemed to have no ideas going forward and were very poor in defence. They are definitely a club in trouble at the minute. With the big number in Div 1 they will probably survive but only just. Aidan Carr was a big miss last night and Darren O'Hagan made his first appearance of the year for the club which was a boost. Rumours are that Arthur Mc Conville is heading to America again for the summer to play football. They have some good young footballers but maybe too much being expected of the too soon.

Anybody who knows anything about down football will know it is the second half of the season that counts in division 1 and to say we are "definitely a club in big trouble" being 1 point of fifth place is just nonsense. The game was never over until the last minute in clonduff yesterday. Glenn relied on a decent defence and a good counter attack most scores came from the ball being played to their number 11 who took on players and went down easily (to say the least) almost every time leaving Bagnall to put over the free kicks and tuck away the penalty. Not only this we were without Aidan Carr Darren ohagan and a number of other regular starters. On any other occasion I have no doubt in my mind clonduff will outplay this inexperienced Glenn team. Had Jason brown been his usual self regarding free kicks the game would have been much different.

Also the rumours Arthur mc Conville is set for America are indeed just rumours I believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on May 28, 2014, 09:39:48 PM
UPTHEYELLAS your right Clonduff will survive in Div 1 but how you can say the game against Glenn was in the balance until the last minute you must have been watching a different game they got 6 scores in 65 mins couldn't contain the Glenn attack had no leaders no game plan no pace and resorted to bully boy tactics in the second half plus Darren O Hagan did play and if Aiden Carr can solve all that hes some man and just to correct another mistake the free taker and the penalty taker were different players add to that Glenn had a good goal disallowed result never in doubt after the Glenn goal 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on May 28, 2014, 11:16:07 PM




Quote from: supersub on May 28, 2014, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 28, 2014, 12:17:19 AM
Quote from: downjim on May 27, 2014, 11:41:37 PM
I heard a rumour today that a ref was assaulted in a reserve final. Sad day and I hope the culprit is banned heavily.
We are in dire straits at the minute in Burren. The confidence is lost  but with our full squad back we can still compete with the best.

Reserve Final?? Bit early for that...

Felix Darby?

Quote from: forevergreen on May 27, 2014, 10:12:49 PM
WGM that's harsh, but definitely some questionable decisions made along line but that also happened in the championship final last year too.

Truth is Burren are still missing Cathal Murdock, Gerard McCartan, Declan Rooney, Anton McArdle and Shay McArdle, add in Kevin, Donal, Dan and its a big loss.

However we were still winning tonight a relinquished a 3 or 4 point lead, we lacked fight and belief in key areas.

The management must now sort out the players that are there and ensure they are playing for the jersey and playing for their places.

Too many boys in cruise control and badly in need of a rocket.

Its upto Paddy Carr and Gavin Murdock to ensure that everyone is pushed to the limit to get things back on track and moving forward.

That will tell whether they can emulate Frank or Mickey or Jimmy as you put it.

Can't really count Rooney he doesn't play for Burren sure! Are the likes of Sean Murdock, James McGovern, Conor Toner, Eamon Toner etc playing?

Ok Rooney has transferrred but on top of those mentioned James McGovern is in australia, Eamonn McGovern suffered a horrific knee injury and is out, Alan Higgins who was our immediate cover in midfield is also in america.

Its a real test for the remaining players and a bigger test for the management to get them winning again and doing anything of note this year.

Thankfully our county players and panellists should be back in the fold now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on May 29, 2014, 09:50:39 AM
UPTHEYELLAS I admire that you are sticking up for the Club but you are looking in with yellow tinted glasses I fear. I will agree that the second half of the season will have a big bearing as it will for every club as they improve but the fact is every game in a one game league is crucial, waiting until the second half of the season isn't going to solve anything.  Clonduff maybe one point of 5th place but the fact is they are 11th. Six games played, won two, lost four. Well beaten by a team who came up from Div 2 and won with the last kick of the game against the other team that came up. Furthermore I said they were a club in trouble, not 'BIG' trouble. I fully expect them to survive but I do believe they are struggling. From what I could see they had a full squad available to them on Monday night, at least going by the almost 40 names in the program. A couple of fellas went to the US this year but only one of them was a regular starter. Jason Brown was definitely off his free kicks but from play he also offered very little. "Glen relied on a decent defence and a good counter attack", that's known as a game plan - what was Clonduff's??? Sometimes reality is a bitter pill to swallow. There is a lot of football to be played this year, I am just saying what I seen thus far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 29, 2014, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on May 28, 2014, 11:16:07 PM




Quote from: supersub on May 28, 2014, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 28, 2014, 12:17:19 AM
Quote from: downjim on May 27, 2014, 11:41:37 PM
I heard a rumour today that a ref was assaulted in a reserve final. Sad day and I hope the culprit is banned heavily.
We are in dire straits at the minute in Burren. The confidence is lost  but with our full squad back we can still compete with the best.

Reserve Final?? Bit early for that...

Felix Darby?

Quote from: forevergreen on May 27, 2014, 10:12:49 PM
WGM that's harsh, but definitely some questionable decisions made along line but that also happened in the championship final last year too.

Truth is Burren are still missing Cathal Murdock, Gerard McCartan, Declan Rooney, Anton McArdle and Shay McArdle, add in Kevin, Donal, Dan and its a big loss.

However we were still winning tonight a relinquished a 3 or 4 point lead, we lacked fight and belief in key areas.

The management must now sort out the players that are there and ensure they are playing for the jersey and playing for their places.

Too many boys in cruise control and badly in need of a rocket.

Its upto Paddy Carr and Gavin Murdock to ensure that everyone is pushed to the limit to get things back on track and moving forward.

That will tell whether they can emulate Frank or Mickey or Jimmy as you put it.

Can't really count Rooney he doesn't play for Burren sure! Are the likes of Sean Murdock, James McGovern, Conor Toner, Eamon Toner etc playing?

Ok Rooney has transferrred but on top of those mentioned James McGovern is in australia, Eamonn McGovern suffered a horrific knee injury and is out, Alan Higgins who was our immediate cover in midfield is also in america.

Its a real test for the remaining players and a bigger test for the management to get them winning again and doing anything of note this year.

Thankfully our county players and panellists should be back in the fold now.
Surely it was only a matter of time before Burren would hit a barren patch at senior level. You can't rely on blow ins forever to bring you success. Now they have to use true home grown talent we will see just how strong Burren are as a senior team. The east down clubs look to hold the aces at the moment.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 29, 2014, 02:59:54 PM
No fan of Burren, but what blow-ins have they lost that they were relying on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 29, 2014, 03:45:27 PM
Anyone know much about this new qualifier system?

I know Down are in pot B and play on 28th June but does anyone know who else is in their group?
Title: Tarraingt
Post by: drici on May 29, 2014, 03:55:27 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 29, 2014, 03:45:27 PM

Anyone know much about this new qualifier system?

I know Down are in pot B and play on 28th June but does anyone know who else is in their group?


Saturday 28th June 2014
All Ireland Senior Football Championship Round 1B
Losers of: Armagh v Cavan  Tyrone v Down(v Monaghan)  Roscommon v Leitrim  Clare v Waterford  Westmeath v Louth(v Kildare)  Carlow v Meath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 29, 2014, 04:01:56 PM
Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 29, 2014, 06:37:00 PM
Quote from: elk on May 29, 2014, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on May 28, 2014, 11:16:07 PM




Quote from: supersub on May 28, 2014, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 28, 2014, 12:17:19 AM
Quote from: downjim on May 27, 2014, 11:41:37 PM
I heard a rumour today that a ref was assaulted in a reserve final. Sad day and I hope the culprit is banned heavily.
We are in dire straits at the minute in Burren. The confidence is lost  but with our full squad back we can still compete with the best.

Reserve Final?? Bit early for that...

Felix Darby?

Quote from: forevergreen on May 27, 2014, 10:12:49 PM
WGM that's harsh, but definitely some questionable decisions made along line but that also happened in the championship final last year too.

Truth is Burren are still missing Cathal Murdock, Gerard McCartan, Declan Rooney, Anton McArdle and Shay McArdle, add in Kevin, Donal, Dan and its a big loss.

However we were still winning tonight a relinquished a 3 or 4 point lead, we lacked fight and belief in key areas.

The management must now sort out the players that are there and ensure they are playing for the jersey and playing for their places.

Too many boys in cruise control and badly in need of a rocket.

Its upto Paddy Carr and Gavin Murdock to ensure that everyone is pushed to the limit to get things back on track and moving forward.

That will tell whether they can emulate Frank or Mickey or Jimmy as you put it.

Can't really count Rooney he doesn't play for Burren sure! Are the likes of Sean Murdock, James McGovern, Conor Toner, Eamon Toner etc playing?

Ok Rooney has transferrred but on top of those mentioned James McGovern is in australia, Eamonn McGovern suffered a horrific knee injury and is out, Alan Higgins who was our immediate cover in midfield is also in america.

Its a real test for the remaining players and a bigger test for the management to get them winning again and doing anything of note this year.

Thankfully our county players and panellists should be back in the fold now.
Surely it was only a matter of time before Burren would hit a barren patch at senior level. You can't rely on blow ins forever to bring you success. Now they have to use true home grown talent we will see just how strong Burren are as a senior team. The east down clubs look to hold the aces at the moment.

It's about time they done something up there. Come down to watch our underage to see what's Barren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 29, 2014, 07:57:45 PM
There is definitely massive numbers at underage in burren is there not a bus that goes down the Warrenpoint road in Newry to lift lads for training each week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on May 29, 2014, 08:21:41 PM
Quote from: Uptheyellas on May 28, 2014, 02:42:55 PM
Quote from: downup on May 27, 2014, 09:48:14 AM
Clonduff on the other hand were very poor, seemed to have no ideas going forward and were very poor in defence. They are definitely a club in trouble at the minute. With the big number in Div 1 they will probably survive but only just. Aidan Carr was a big miss last night and Darren O'Hagan made his first appearance of the year for the club which was a boost. Rumours are that Arthur Mc Conville is heading to America again for the summer to play football. They have some good young footballers but maybe too much being expected of the too soon.

Anybody who knows anything about down football will know it is the second half of the season that counts in division 1 and to say we are "definitely a club in big trouble" being 1 point of fifth place is just nonsense. The game was never over until the last minute in clonduff yesterday. Glenn relied on a decent defence and a good counter attack most scores came from the ball being played to their number 11 who took on players and went down easily (to say the least) almost every time leaving Bagnall to put over the free kicks and tuck away the penalty. Not only this we were without Aidan Carr Darren ohagan and a number of other regular starters. On any other occasion I have no doubt in my mind clonduff will outplay this inexperienced Glenn team. Had Jason brown been his usual self regarding free kicks the game would have been much different.

Also the rumours Arthur mc Conville is set for America are indeed just rumours I believe.

A most confusing read - you seem to suggest that Clonduff were unlucky to lose to a team with a good defence, good attack, forwards who were not afraid to take on a defence and a free-taker who missed nothing!
Seems to me as if Glenn were the better team!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 29, 2014, 09:13:46 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on May 29, 2014, 07:57:45 PM
There is definitely massive numbers at underage in burren is there not a bus that goes down the Warrenpoint road in Newry to lift lads for training each week
It's a helicopter :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on May 30, 2014, 11:07:15 PM
Glenn 2-9 Loughinisland 1-9

What a display from Glenn tonight! Four points down in the first half, and having lost their keeper John O'Hare, they started to turn on the style. They simply overpowered Loughinisland, keeping their calm and picking off scores that their opponents could not. The tackling was first class, the commitment 100%. The ship was steadied by Ruairi McGuigan and Kevin Rice in defence. Aaron Kennedy's tackling and resolute defence was outstanding; he did not let one man past him all night. My MOTM, James Friel, started the comeback from Centre Back. Matty Bagnall and Denis Murtagh do what they always do and played football of the highest quality. And you will be hard pushed to see a better goal this season than Liam Bagnall's, who was also excellent throughout. The two Millars, Shay and Ronan were pure class as usual.
I feel bad leaving the rest of the players out.....
Feck it - Tiernan O'Brien who went from rhf to nets found his man constantly with kickouts; delighted to see Conor Shields playing so well; a real prospect. Conor Cranney was probably the only player on the field who did not make a mistake all night, and scored a very important point. Stevie Fearon got a handle on Gordon to stop L'islands comeback, Raymie Quinn was involved in all positive play that Glenn played tonight. The strength that Curtis O'Hare shows for an 18 yr old is unbelieveable.
Congratulations to the team and management (John Kennedy, Tony Bagnall and Rambo!)

I have to mention what a quality player Dan Gordon is. An exhibition of fielding, all round play and physical power.

The reason I mention the Glenn guys? Because they deserve it. The whole place is bursting with pride with their performances.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 31, 2014, 12:54:53 AM
Glenn for the championship. In other news the Bridge were put back in their perch by the magpies tonight.
Better performance from us though. We are away from relegation now :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on May 31, 2014, 01:01:13 AM
Quote from: downjim on May 31, 2014, 12:54:53 AM
Glenn for the championship. In other news the Bridge were put back in their perch by the magpies tonight.
Better performance from us though. We are away from relegation now :)

What was the result in your match downjim?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 31, 2014, 02:52:05 PM
Fair play to Glenn, surprising a few people including myself. Another couple of wins and that will probably be them safe.

Burren beat the stone by 4 and mixed the brilliant with the brutal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on May 31, 2014, 05:38:34 PM
Was at Dundrum Vs Ballykinlar Match last nite
I have to say well done to ballykinlar they kept playing for the full game which was good to see
Hopefully Ballykinlar keep improving
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 31, 2014, 11:34:47 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 29, 2014, 02:59:54 PM
No fan of Burren, but what blow-ins have they lost that they were relying on.
good to see the B team CPN look like winning div 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GreenGiant on June 01, 2014, 08:39:38 PM
Glenn have surprised a lot of people this year..breath of fresh air! All the haters can hate all they want
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 01, 2014, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: GreenGiant on June 01, 2014, 08:39:38 PM
Glenn have surprised a lot of people this year..breath of fresh air! All the haters can hate all they want
strange 1st post. haven't seen or heard any hate towards glenn.  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GreenGiant on June 01, 2014, 09:07:45 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 01, 2014, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: GreenGiant on June 01, 2014, 08:39:38 PM
Glenn have surprised a lot of people this year..breath of fresh air! All the haters can hate all they want
strange 1st post. haven't seen or heard any hate towards glenn.  ???

I think you'll find Sheedy if you flick back to the pages to last year when  Glenn won dividion 2 a lot of people, including the media never gave Glenn a chance.  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 01, 2014, 09:31:16 PM
Quote from: GreenGiant on June 01, 2014, 09:07:45 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 01, 2014, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: GreenGiant on June 01, 2014, 08:39:38 PM
Glenn have surprised a lot of people this year..breath of fresh air! All the haters can hate all they want
strange 1st post. haven't seen or heard any hate towards glenn.  ???

I think you'll find Sheedy if you flick back to the pages to last year when  Glenn won dividion 2 a lot of people, including the media never gave Glenn a chance.  :)

i never gave them a chance, im delighted to eat humble pie, fair dues to Glen, they have certainly proved me wrong, as for hating them, thats pure shite, i would guess every poster on here would be glad for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 01, 2014, 09:36:14 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 01, 2014, 09:31:16 PM
Quote from: GreenGiant on June 01, 2014, 09:07:45 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 01, 2014, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: GreenGiant on June 01, 2014, 08:39:38 PM
Glenn have surprised a lot of people this year..breath of fresh air! All the haters can hate all they want
strange 1st post. haven't seen or heard any hate towards glenn.  ???

I think you'll find Sheedy if you flick back to the pages to last year when  Glenn won dividion 2 a lot of people, including the media never gave Glenn a chance.  :)

i never gave them a chance, im delighted to eat humble pie, fair dues to Glen, they have certainly proved me wrong, as for hating them, thats pure shite, i would guess every poster on here would be glad for them.
I never gave them much of a chance either, glad to be proved wrong. never once heard any hatred towards them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 02, 2014, 08:20:32 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 25, 2013, 05:05:26 PM
Tullylish and Glenn are there next season on merit. And I would applaud any team for achieving likewise.
they will gladly have the county writing them off. They are up there now and the challenge is for them to get a few wins and get in amongst the lesser teams in Div1, The Rostrevors and Ballyhollands of this world. Out of interest who are the 'Senior Clubs' in terms of quality then in the county?
Kilcoo, Burren & Bryansford are out on their own in Down..the rest of teams in Div1 are well capable of beating each other any given day.

always knew Glenn would do ok  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 02, 2014, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 01, 2014, 09:36:14 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 01, 2014, 09:31:16 PM
Quote from: GreenGiant on June 01, 2014, 09:07:45 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 01, 2014, 09:00:42 PM
Quote from: GreenGiant on June 01, 2014, 08:39:38 PM
Glenn have surprised a lot of people this year..breath of fresh air! All the haters can hate all they want
strange 1st post. haven't seen or heard any hate towards glenn.  ???

I think you'll find Sheedy if you flick back to the pages to last year when  Glenn won dividion 2 a lot of people, including the media never gave Glenn a chance.  :)

i never gave them a chance, im delighted to eat humble pie, fair dues to Glen, they have certainly proved me wrong, as for hating them, thats pure shite, i would guess every poster on here would be glad for them.
I never gave them much of a chance either, glad to be proved wrong. never once heard any hatred towards them.

Indeed it was hard to see them competing given they were a Div 3 team not so long ago, however they have proved otherwise and is great to see! Not too many haters, if any, that's reserved for those at the top table  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 02, 2014, 02:09:07 PM
Has anyone any idea why there are two championship games on this Friday when all the other games are next week? Loughinisland v Longstone and Castlewellan v Ballyholland in Newry! Full round of league games on at the same time also.  Strange.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on June 02, 2014, 06:12:18 PM
Greengiant don't know if you are from Glenn or not but as a Glenn supporter for 40 years I can honestly say I haven't experienced any hate posts on this forum I think most are glad to see the under dog doing well as most promoted teams are usually favourite for the drop its nothing personal just a opinion expressed  hopefully another 4 points will see us safe and as we get more experienced we could set our sights a little higher next season and look too finish in the top 6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 02, 2014, 09:08:10 PM
What Glenn have going for them is Youth. The average age if the team is 22, if they can stay together and in Div 1 for a year or 2 they are quite capable of cementing a place in Div for the foreseeable future. Also I would think it's only a matter if time before a couple of lads could get a call from the county setup. Liam Bagnall is the best player I've seen so far in Div 1 this year and without doubt scored the goal of the season on Friday night against Loughinisland. But being selfish I would prefare if they avoided a possible county call as it could be detrimental to us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on June 03, 2014, 08:19:01 AM
Has anyone got an updated division 1 table?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 03, 2014, 08:59:13 AM
Team         Pld   WonDrawLost   F   A   Diff   Points
Bryansford   7   7   0   0   151   83   68   14
Castlewellan   7   6   0   1   120   83   37   12
Kilcoo           7   5   1   1   118   82   36   11
Mayobridge   7   5   1   1   146   104   42   11
Glenn            7   4   0   3   86   87   -1   8
RGU Dow      7   4   0   3   92   94   -2   8
Rostrevor           7   4   0   3   89   109   -20   8
Burren           7   3   0   4   107   104   3   6
Clonduff           7   3   0   4   104   113   -9   6
Longstone   7   3   0   4   101   111   -10   6
Annaclone   7   3   0   4   80   93   -13   6
Saval           6   2   1   3   94   103   -9   5
Ballyholland   7   1   1   5   79   103   -24   3
Tullylish           7   1   1   5   78   122   -44   3
Liatroim           6   1   0   5   94   119   -25   2
Loughinisland   7   0   1   6   89   118   -29   1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 03, 2014, 10:53:17 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 02, 2014, 09:08:10 PM
What Glenn have going for them is Youth. The average age if the team is 22, if they can stay together and in Div 1 for a year or 2 they are quite capable of cementing a place in Div for the foreseeable future. Also I would think it's only a matter if time before a couple of lads could get a call from the county setup. Liam Bagnall is the best player I've seen so far in Div 1 this year and without doubt scored the goal of the season on Friday night against Loughinisland. But being selfish I would prefare if they avoided a possible county call as it could be detrimental to us.

He is putting up some respectable scoring tallies for Glenn so should certainly be worth a look for the county.  Scoring forwards are worth their weight in gold in football - especially in this era of mass defences. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 03, 2014, 01:20:10 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on June 03, 2014, 10:53:17 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 02, 2014, 09:08:10 PM
What Glenn have going for them is Youth. The average age if the team is 22, if they can stay together and in Div 1 for a year or 2 they are quite capable of cementing a place in Div for the foreseeable future. Also I would think it's only a matter if time before a couple of lads could get a call from the county setup. Liam Bagnall is the best player I've seen so far in Div 1 this year and without doubt scored the goal of the season on Friday night against Loughinisland. But being selfish I would prefare if they avoided a possible county call as it could be detrimental to us.

He is putting up some respectable scoring tallies for Glenn so should certainly be worth a look for the county.  Scoring forwards are worth their weight in gold in football - especially in this era of mass defences.

I'd say Barry Gray and WTFC would have something to say about that!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 03, 2014, 01:49:51 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 03, 2014, 01:20:10 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on June 03, 2014, 10:53:17 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 02, 2014, 09:08:10 PM
What Glenn have going for them is Youth. The average age if the team is 22, if they can stay together and in Div 1 for a year or 2 they are quite capable of cementing a place in Div for the foreseeable future. Also I would think it's only a matter if time before a couple of lads could get a call from the county setup. Liam Bagnall is the best player I've seen so far in Div 1 this year and without doubt scored the goal of the season on Friday night against Loughinisland. But being selfish I would prefare if they avoided a possible county call as it could be detrimental to us.

He is putting up some respectable scoring tallies for Glenn so should certainly be worth a look for the county.  Scoring forwards are worth their weight in gold in football - especially in this era of mass defences.

I'd say Barry Gray and WTFC would have something to say about that!

Didnt realise he was a soccer player! There you go. We have lost some serious talent over recent years to other sports - Clarke, Mooney, Shay McCartan. All bloomin good forwards too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 03, 2014, 01:49:59 PM
Hmmm play in front of thousands for your county or play in front of 2 men and a dog in the shitty Irish League?
Decisions decisions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on June 03, 2014, 01:53:55 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 03, 2014, 01:49:59 PM
Hmmm play in front of thousands for your county or play in front of 2 men and a dog in the shitty Irish League?
Decisions decisions.

£££££££ talks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 03, 2014, 02:16:14 PM
Sorry guys you are all mistaken.. It's Mattie bagnall that's putting up the big scores. Liam plays the CHB/Sweeper role.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 03, 2014, 03:00:38 PM
Liam Bagnall was asked into the county panel but declined the offer as far as I am led to believe. A class act who would walk straight in not only to the panel but to the starting 15. Unfortunately his alliangence lies withe the soccer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 03, 2014, 04:28:20 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 03, 2014, 02:16:14 PM
Sorry guys you are all mistaken.. It's Mattie bagnall that's putting up the big scores. Liam plays the CHB/Sweeper role.

That is true.  That could be two players worth a look then :-)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 03, 2014, 04:47:43 PM
I did think Liam was more defensive and Mattie was the forward but wasn't 100% Liam wasn't playing further forward too. There you go, two great players.

Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 03, 2014, 01:49:59 PM
Hmmm play in front of thousands for your county or play in front of 2 men and a dog in the shitty Irish League?
Decisions decisions.

Indeed, Liam was over the water with Middlesborough if I'm not mistaken so a top class player in both codes. No matter how shitty it is or isn't it is still the top level you can play at over here plus the monetary addition, would swing a few boys alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 03, 2014, 05:10:18 PM
Ye could count on yer hand the amount of fellas that 'make it' overseas playing saccer.
Better off playing for your club and county and retaining a sense of local identity and pride for something tangible.
How many players on Warrenpoint FC team are from Wpt?
How many of them came from local schools, worked their way up through the youth ranks in the local club, work locally, have family who contribute to the club in various ways, contribute to the fabric of the community locally?

But then again who cares. Sure its a locka pound.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 03, 2014, 07:07:23 PM
People will be surprised but I'd say it's actually less than a lock of pound.. Liam will play and has played his Gaelic regardless of the soccer.. When Glenn were pushing for the Div 2 League title he played the final few games for us on Saturdays even though the soccer was on. I think he would always choose Gaa over the soccer these days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 04, 2014, 11:05:51 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 03, 2014, 05:10:18 PM
Ye could count on yer hand the amount of fellas that 'make it' overseas playing saccer.
Better off playing for your club and county and retaining a sense of local identity and pride for something tangible.
How many players on Warrenpoint FC team are from Wpt?
How many of them came from local schools, worked their way up through the youth ranks in the local club, work locally, have family who contribute to the club in various ways, contribute to the fabric of the community locally?

But then again who cares. Sure its a locka pound.

Actually one of the things I like about Warrenpoint Town is that most of the panel are from Newry & Mourne, and the team that played in the Premier division was largely that which got them there. A handful of them would have come through the ranks from wee fellas too.

---

The other point to bear in mind here is that some people just prefer playing soccer.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 04, 2014, 11:56:31 AM
Newry & Mourne is a large sprawling region.
I was lead to believe there are maybe 4 players at the most from Warrenpoint on that team. Maybe im wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 04, 2014, 12:15:02 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 04, 2014, 11:56:31 AM
Newry & Mourne is a large sprawling region.
I was lead to believe there are maybe 4 players at the most from Warrenpoint on that team. Maybe im wrong.


Newry & Mourne might be a large enough area in terms of acreage (by Irish standards) but the population density could easily be fitted into East Belfast, or Derry City. But more importantly, seeing as Warrenpoint is the only Senior soccer club in the entire area, would they not be entitled to pull from all parts of it?

https://twitter.com/warrenpointtown/status/460045219787190272/photo/1 is their last teamsheet of the season.

I don't know all the players, but those I do know of are all from within 10 miles of their ground.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 04, 2014, 01:38:11 PM
I was going to reply to the 'local' argument earlier but didn't bother - but since someone has now - all of the point squad bar one or two are from Point/Rostrevor/Newry, hardly like they are being shipped in from China. A good few have come through the underage ranks. I know your post is anti soccer rather than anti point but point are a bad example to use for the 'local' argument.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 04, 2014, 02:14:19 PM
I stand by what I say.
How many are Point people, came from Point, grew up there, went to school there, families are involved in the club, contribute to the local community and will spend their playing careers there, then go on to stay involved in the club afterwards?
Its a drop-in centre and the door will keep revolving for years to come. Players have no loyalty or affiliation to the club nor the area it resides in.
Its an alien notion to me that someone would want to travel with a soccer team on a Saturday to east Belfast to play in front of 20 people rather than play for a club in a local senior derby with the whole village/town out supporting. Just my view, each to their own.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on June 04, 2014, 03:02:26 PM
Lads is this what we have come to??? Why are we worrying what Warrenpoint Town do??? They are one club in the area and we in the GAA should not be worrying about them, I'm sure they don't worry about us. Most Sunday mornings nearly every club in this county has between 30-60 children at their pitch playing gaelic games. It is our job to ensure that we make it enjoyable and attractive to these kids that they want to keep coming back week in week out and that over the winter months we also provide something for them. If we do this then all the soccer clubs that want can form but the children, and in time, adults, will have gaelic games as there number one sport. I have nothing against soccer or those who play it, but I'm a gaa man and for me it comes first and I hope we can all work to have it that way throughout our county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 04, 2014, 03:13:52 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 04, 2014, 01:38:11 PM
I was going to reply to the 'local' argument earlier but didn't bother - but since someone has now - all of the point squad bar one or two are from Point/Rostrevor/Newry, hardly like they are being shipped in from China. A good few have come through the underage ranks. I know your post is anti soccer rather than anti point but point are a bad example to use for the 'local' argument.
Most of the players are from a 10 mile radius but looking at the last team sheet maybe only two of the subs ( Boyle and Smith ) have come through the underage ranks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 04, 2014, 06:27:24 PM
Quote from: downup on June 04, 2014, 03:02:26 PM
Lads is this what we have come to??? Why are we worrying what Warrenpoint Town do??? They are one club in the area and we in the GAA should not be worrying about them, I'm sure they don't worry about us. Most Sunday mornings nearly every club in this county has between 30-60 children at their pitch playing gaelic games. It is our job to ensure that we make it enjoyable and attractive to these kids that they want to keep coming back week in week out and that over the winter months we also provide something for them. If we do this then all the soccer clubs that want can form but the children, and in time, adults, will have gaelic games as there number one sport. I have nothing against soccer or those who play it, but I'm a gaa man and for me it comes first and I hope we can all work to have it that way throughout our county.

It's just a discussion, we haven't come to anything!

Each is entitled to a view as BT stated.

WTFC underage teams would have as many if not more numbers than a lot of GAA teams but it doesn't mean one sport is better than the other. All about providing enjoyment for the kids and a social aspect outside school which keeps them out of harms way be it GAA, soccer, swimming, rugby or whatever.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on June 05, 2014, 10:37:13 PM
Prediction competition taking place, give it a stab guys. Bita craic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 05, 2014, 11:27:36 PM
Quote from: Oglach on June 05, 2014, 10:37:13 PM
Prediction competition taking place, give it a stab guys. Bita craic.

Champ! Don't encourage too many!!  More work for me!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 06, 2014, 08:28:21 PM
Full time SFC. Longstone 1-10 Loughinisland 0-9. the blues had jamie o'reilly sent off for 2 yellows half way through 2nd half. Colly burden got stone goal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on June 06, 2014, 09:18:01 PM

Prediction competition taking place, give it a stab guys. Bita craic.


Champ! Don't encourage too many!!  More work for me!!!

Champ! Not on this performance!     ;D
Kilcoo beat Glen tonight 2:15 to 0:07. Glen took an early lead and were worth the 3 point lead in 1st ten minutes but fell apart after Kilcoo scored a goal to level. Although well beat i think this young glen team will play division one football next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 06, 2014, 10:00:02 PM
Full time SFC. Ballyholland 0-10 castlewellan 0-7. not many seen this result coming. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on June 06, 2014, 10:33:29 PM
Just home from Kilcoo v Glenn great performance from Kilcoo showed Glenn have a lot of work still to do when the first goal went in Glenn fell apart Kilcoo had better forwards and Glenn's main men didn't turn up hope its a realty check for some of our posters on here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 06, 2014, 10:55:26 PM
That's a bit harsh on Glenn.. We have exceeded expectations up until this point. Did you really think they would push a very strong and well drilled kilcoo team? Glenn have a small squad of what you would call senior players and a handful were missing tonite,I'm not saying that would have made any difference at all,but we do need all hands on deck in this division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on June 06, 2014, 11:10:09 PM
I know they were up against it tonight and know they have done very well to date but some of the posters on here since last week have been losing the run of themselves a decent young team well coached and should stay up but to start talking about county players on the Glenn team is a little silly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 06, 2014, 11:12:15 PM
I myself mentioned one player and I will stick by that and I'm sure anyone that has seen him this year will back me up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on June 06, 2014, 11:33:04 PM
Disgusted at the towns performance tonight.. Harps are a poor team but had a bit of edge to their game.. Entertainment on the sideline was worth watchin....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 06, 2014, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: gaamann on June 06, 2014, 10:33:29 PM
Just home from Kilcoo v Glenn great performance from Kilcoo showed Glenn have a lot of work still to do when the first goal went in Glenn fell apart Kilcoo had better forwards and Glenn's main men didn't turn up hope its a realty check for some of our posters on here

It wasnt that long ago, Kilcoo were in the position that Glenn find themselves in now. Glenn will take great encouragement from this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 07, 2014, 02:49:58 AM
Great win over the Ford tonight. First big test for the Newcastle men and they failed :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 07, 2014, 01:16:30 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on June 06, 2014, 11:33:04 PM
Disgusted at the towns performance tonight.. Harps are a poor team but had a bit of edge to their game.. Entertainment on the sideline was worth watchin....
care to elaborate on the entertainment. I missed the game myself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on June 07, 2014, 02:25:50 PM
Quote from: gaamann on June 06, 2014, 10:33:29 PM
Just home from Kilcoo v Glenn great performance from Kilcoo showed Glenn have a lot of work still to do when the first goal went in Glenn fell apart Kilcoo had better forwards and Glenn's main men didn't turn up hope its a realty check for some of our posters on here

I don't think anyone on here is surprised that Kilcoo beat Glenn at home, gaaman, so no reality check here. Kilcoo's score taking was outstanding, but I think it is a testament to Glenn's psyche and fitness levels that their strongest quarter was the final one.
At the start of the year, you would have picked this one as Glenn's toughest challenge; it is all about how they react to this defeat, get back up and go at it again. And the attitude they had at the end of the game last night gives me every confidence that they will.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on June 07, 2014, 04:01:12 PM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on June 07, 2014, 02:25:50 PM
Quote from: gaamann on June 06, 2014, 10:33:29 PM
Just home from Kilcoo v Glenn great performance from Kilcoo showed Glenn have a lot of work still to do when the first goal went in Glenn fell apart Kilcoo had better forwards and Glenn's main men didn't turn up hope its a realty check for some of our posters on here

I don't think anyone on here is surprised that Kilcoo beat Glenn at home, gaaman, so no reality check here. Kilcoo's score taking was outstanding, but I think it is a testament to Glenn's psyche and fitness levels that their strongest quarter was the final one.
At the start of the year, you would have picked this one as Glenn's toughest challenge; it is all about how they react to this defeat, get back up and go at it again. And the attitude they had at the end of the game last night gives me every confidence that they will.

I wouldnt agree with that - Glenn started well with the aid of a fair breeze and their best period was easily the start of the game...after the first 15 mins or so Kilcoo got on top as expected and Glenn didnt trouble them much after that...Glenn done well considering who they were playing (County champions) but they offered little after the 1st 15 mins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on June 07, 2014, 07:03:05 PM
No argument's with any of the comments about Kilcoo being Glenn's toughest challenge and went to the game expecting a Kilcoo win but how you loose and how you perform when its a difficult night is also a indicator were the team is and Glenn fell very short last night I just think its to soon to start putting players into county boxes when they have only played a handful of senior games 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 07, 2014, 08:14:43 PM
When Greg Blayney started his county career he would only have played div 4 with Ballycran. Tullylish were a good bit off senior when wee james started out. I dont know if McPartland from Glenn is still injured but anytime I saw him play for Down he performed well. Kilcoo were in the ulster final last season as well you have to remember, Crossmaglen couldnt beat them. I dont think we should be restricting ourselves to just experienced div one footballers only. I dont think many of the 91 team would have met that criteria gaaman.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 07, 2014, 08:29:21 PM
Gaamann, your basing your opinion solely on what most would say should have been Glenn's most difficult game to date and it proved to be the case. Niall Mcparland is still carrying an injury and has only played a handful of minutes this season. Glenn were missing a lot of their spine lastnite thru injuries and weddings and whatever else. I know most will say every team has these problem and yes I agree but that was Glenn's weakest team of the season to date. They will be back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 07, 2014, 09:45:50 PM
Ardtole, Ballycran did not have a football team when Greg Blaney started off so he played for Carryduff instead. He switched back to Ballycran when they briefly fielded in both codes much later in his career. However, like James McCartan, his club status did not really matter. Both of them were noted as exceptional underage talents while attending St Colman's College and it was inevitable that they would be brought into the senior county squad at an early stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on June 07, 2014, 10:19:44 PM
91 Team was full off Div 1 players with exception of Paul Higgins, Peter Withnell and James McCartan. I'm sure the remainder were all Div 1. Also, Ballymartin and Drumaness achieved promotion to Div 1 around this time - did Tullylish get to 1 as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on June 07, 2014, 11:31:51 PM
 I take all your points all I am saying is it helps no one in Glenn to start talking about county players on the Glenn team its not helpful especially the players they are young lads and need to develop before we can start talking about Down and as for James and Greg they only come along every 20 years or so and yes I do know we were short last night and yes they will bounce back but maybe not next week Downpatrick will be a difficult game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 07, 2014, 11:47:44 PM
Mournerover, i remember Blaney playing in Ardglass and id be pretty sure it wasnt the end of his career definitley before 91. Out of the 91 team id say Blaney and Linden played div 4 at some stage of their career. Higgins, Deegan, Collins, Breen, Kelly, Withnall all played div 3 and possibly DJ im not sure when he left mitchells. Regardless, my initial point in regard to Gaaman was you shouldnt have to prove yourself exclusively in div one for a sustained period of time to be considered for the county team. I appreciate most of the above players played in div one for most of their careers but not exclusively.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on June 08, 2014, 12:08:42 AM
Are under 16's allowed to be on the under 17 development squad? I hear at least 1 was at u17's on Thursday night. Surely he should be with u16's and give under 17's a fair chance. If on the other hand it's open to any age then why have seperate squads. Time to check dates of birth Conor!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 08, 2014, 12:29:43 AM
Quote from: The Raven on June 08, 2014, 12:08:42 AM
Are under 16's allowed to be on the under 17 development squad? I hear at least 1 was at u17's on Thursday night. Surely he should be with u16's and give under 17's a fair chance. If on the other hand it's open to any age then why have seperate squads. Time to check dates of birth Conor!!!

During an exam break for U.16 and Minor player meaning no mid week games, they then put on a Thursday night training session, are they for real?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 08, 2014, 12:36:52 AM
Ardtole, your previous post said; `When Greg Blayney started his county career he would only have played div 4 with Ballycran'. Blaney was clearly with Carryduff when he started his senior county football career in 1981. You are correct that Mickey Linden played in all four divisions, but like Blaney he was also recognised as an exceptional talent from his earliest days. Players of their ability will always make the county squads, and the debate here is really about how the marginal calls are made by the selectors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 08, 2014, 12:54:24 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 08, 2014, 12:36:52 AM
Ardtole, your previous post said; `When Greg Blayney started his county career he would only have played div 4 with Ballycran'. Blaney was clearly with Carryduff when he started his senior county football career in 1981. You are correct that Mickey Linden played in all four divisions, but like Blaney he was also recognised as an exceptional talent from his earliest days. Players of their ability will always make the county squads, and the debate here is really about how the marginal calls are made by the selectors.

Do you have a question?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 08, 2014, 12:55:15 AM
Posting so I have top post in 4 main categories. Wont be back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on June 08, 2014, 01:40:58 AM
Quote from: thebar on June 07, 2014, 04:01:12 PM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on June 07, 2014, 02:25:50 PM
Quote from: gaamann on June 06, 2014, 10:33:29 PM
Just home from Kilcoo v Glenn great performance from Kilcoo showed Glenn have a lot of work still to do when the first goal went in Glenn fell apart Kilcoo had better forwards and Glenn's main men didn't turn up hope its a realty check for some of our posters on here

I don't think anyone on here is surprised that Kilcoo beat Glenn at home, gaaman, so no reality check here. Kilcoo's score taking was outstanding, but I think it is a testament to Glenn's psyche and fitness levels that their strongest quarter was the final one.
At the start of the year, you would have picked this one as Glenn's toughest challenge; it is all about how they react to this defeat, get back up and go at it again. And the attitude they had at the end of the game last night gives me every confidence that they will.

I wouldnt agree with that - Glenn started well with the aid of a fair breeze and their best period was easily the start of the game...after the first 15 mins or so Kilcoo got on top as expected and Glenn didnt trouble them much after that...Glenn done well considering who they were playing (County champions) but they offered little after the 1st 15 mins.

I am coming from the point of view that, in the first quarter, Glenn's tails were up, and I believe, only for that crappy goal, the game would have been closer.
I have stood on too many fields, getting trounced, and the team allowing it to continue until the final whistle. What I seen from the Glenn team last night was a resolution to see out the game, especially with the attitude of the subs they introduced.
To a man they kept fighting. Yes, they looked more fluid in the first ten minutes, but the character they showed when the game was lost  told me more about this team than when the score was 0-0.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on June 08, 2014, 11:49:14 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 08, 2014, 12:29:43 AM
Quote from: The Raven on June 08, 2014, 12:08:42 AM
Are under 16's allowed to be on the under 17 development squad? I hear at least 1 was at u17's on Thursday night. Surely he should be with u16's and give under 17's a fair chance. If on the other hand it's open to any age then why have seperate squads. Time to check dates of birth Conor!!!

During an exam break for U.16 and Minor player meaning no mid week games, they then put on a Thursday night training session, are they for real?
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Agree with you there line ball, if its a break - its a break. I am sure the clubs would be keeping Minors who are working or in apprenticeships ticking over this week. Can see any constructive gain in training a county development team when I am sure at least half are away.

With regard to having U16 with U17 squad, I would think if the player in question is a dominant player at U16 then he will benefit more from going to next level up and having toexert himself more, rather than getting it easy or easier at his own level. This in the longterm should make him a better player.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 08, 2014, 12:46:41 PM
of 16 teams playing in this year Down Senior Football Championship, its possible to see 4 of them playing in next year Down Intermediate Championship!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 08, 2014, 04:51:41 PM
Quote from: umpire on June 08, 2014, 12:46:41 PM
of 16 teams playing in this year Down Senior Football Championship, its possible to see 4 of them playing in next year Down Intermediate Championship!!

Maximum of 2 senior teams playing in the intermediate is it not? The bottom two senior teams will automatically relegated to intermediate status to be replaced by the top 2 intermediate teams. Drumgath would need to win the senior championship and a team that finishes outside the top 2 in div 2 would need to win the intermediate for the 3rd n 4th bottom teams to be then relegated to the intermediate championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 08, 2014, 04:53:42 PM
I miss understood the question,but it seems I answered it in a round about way. Yes 4 of this years senior teams could play intermediate next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 08, 2014, 10:43:08 PM
I heard that there were only about 150 people at the Championship double header in Newry on Friday night.  Could anyone who was there confirm or deny this?

I believe that this early round of the championship has been put to help the county out of a financial problem which they find themselves in, allegedly of course.  Last year there was a ticket available to buy which, when you bought it, meant you could get into any game you wanted to see.  This year there is no mention of it this year.  It obviously didn't make the county as much money as it should.  This ticket hit the clubs even harder last year and with fewer home League games due to the changes made to the leagues the clubs were supposed to earn more from the Championship gates. It didn't work out that way as many people bought the County Board ticket for £20 odd.  Yet another example of doing things the Down way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 08, 2014, 11:03:37 PM
Back Door draw tomorrow 8-30AM, fingers crossed lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AS on June 09, 2014, 08:54:45 AM
  Down v Leitrim June 28th. Pairc Esler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 09, 2014, 11:24:18 AM
Yep Leitrim at home should see us still playing Championship in July
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 10, 2014, 01:42:39 PM
Fair enough Snoop but nowadays only the very weakest counties should be out by the end of June. So no accolades from me for July football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 10, 2014, 10:15:48 PM
Not much craic about the champ openers this weekend. Will there be any shocks??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 11, 2014, 08:10:59 AM
Hardly matter if there will be shocks saying that everyone gets another bite at the cherry in many ways.
The championship has been diluted somewhat if ye ask me and I think ye will see it in attendance figures especially at these early stages.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 11, 2014, 11:16:31 AM
Quote from: downjim on June 10, 2014, 10:15:48 PM
Not much craic about the champ openers this weekend. Will there be any shocks??

Championship began last week and there already has been one 'shock'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 11, 2014, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on June 10, 2014, 01:42:39 PM
Fair enough Snoop but nowadays only the very weakest counties should be out by the end of June. So no accolades from me for July football.
All depends on the draw though doesnt it. We could have got a nightmare away in Omagh agin or Clones.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 11, 2014, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 11, 2014, 11:16:31 AM
Quote from: downjim on June 10, 2014, 10:15:48 PM
Not much craic about the champ openers this weekend. Will there be any shocks??

Championship began last week and there already has been one 'shock'.

Yes but it sort of went under the radar because no-one was at them - everyone was at their own league games!
This weekend should see a better atmosphere around the grounds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 13, 2014, 12:37:02 PM
how did last nights games go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 13, 2014, 01:33:27 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 13, 2014, 12:37:02 PM
how did last nights games go?
rostrevor beat tullylish by a pt. 1-12 to 2-8. rostrevor got a goal in injury time to win it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 13, 2014, 02:06:48 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 13, 2014, 01:33:27 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 13, 2014, 12:37:02 PM
how did last nights games go?
rostrevor beat tullylish by a pt. 1-12 to 2-8. rostrevor got a goal in injury time to win it.

Was an entertaining game after the whitewash in the intermediate game. Point hammered Bosco. Rostrevor were very lethargic in the first half and only when Tullylish got the goal after half time to go 6 up did the game light up. Rostrevor scored 8 points to 1 over the next 25 minutes to go in front only for Tullylish to get another goal on a breakaway to go 2 up. Frantic finish then with an injury time goal winning it for Rostrevor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 13, 2014, 03:28:31 PM
cheers guys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on June 13, 2014, 10:20:11 PM
Have Drumgath lost a few lads since the team that won the intermediate last year? I expected them to give the Duff a much tighter game tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 16, 2014, 10:28:26 AM
Whats the verdict after the weekends championship games? Any reports? Any stand out performances?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 16, 2014, 11:23:40 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on June 16, 2014, 10:28:26 AM
Whats the verdict after the weekends championship games? Any reports? Any stand out performances?

Kilcoo are going to take some stopping - beat a decent Mayobridge team with ease.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 16, 2014, 11:32:04 AM
The Glenn result was the standout one for me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 16, 2014, 11:51:19 AM
Quote from: centre 3/4s on June 13, 2014, 10:20:11 PM
Have Drumgath lost a few lads since the team that won the intermediate last year? I expected them to give the Duff a much tighter game tonight

I certainly didn't - after watching the intermediate final last year the standard is night and day. It also showed in the Bosco Point match, Point were poor at Senior level last year and hammered the beaten intermediate finalists in the first round this year. Having said that, the two promoted teams seem to be acquitting themselves rightly this season - Rostrevor struggled to beat Tullylish on Thursday night, only for a late surge the game was gone. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 20, 2014, 01:44:20 PM
Down match 3pm next saturday.

Kinda takes up the whole day at that time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 20, 2014, 11:24:30 PM
Another great win for Glenn tonite, a 7 point victory down in Rostrevor. To cap things off it looks like Liam Bagnall is going to win Gaelic Life Player of the week aswell.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 21, 2014, 01:40:09 AM
Went to the bridge tonight to see a dour encounter. The home side beating Ballyholland at their own game. Poucher had no decorum at one of his former clubs.
We were lucky to beat a strong saval side midweek. They are a good honest team who are short one or two class players to break into the top four of Down championship teams.
What sort of side did Kilcoo have out v Rgu?
Another good result for Glenn, their defensive system is getting them places but it's really hard to watch and with the majority of teams playing this way it's harder for our classier players to get room to showcase their skills. I fear for the future of the county as I don't see any young players stepping up to the plate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on June 21, 2014, 06:03:08 PM
Glenn scored 2 12 against a good Rostrevor team how can you accuse them of being hard to watch last nights game was end to end football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 21, 2014, 07:27:14 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 21, 2014, 01:40:09 AM
Went to the bridge tonight to see a dour encounter. The home side beating Ballyholland at their own game. Poucher had no decorum at one of his former clubs.
We were lucky to beat a strong saval side midweek. They are a good honest team who are short one or two class players to break into the top four of Down championship teams.
What sort of side did Kilcoo have out v Rgu?
Another good result for Glenn, their defensive system is getting them places but it's really hard to watch and with the majority of teams playing this way it's harder for our classier players to get room to showcase their skills. I fear for the future of the county as I don't see any young players stepping up to the plate.

When we appoint a manager of our senior team decorum is one of the qualitys way down the list. What we want is passion, enthusiasm, football knowledge, tactical awareness and someone who commands the total respect of his players. He ticks all the boxes Jim. Shane was the same before him. We'll be grand.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 21, 2014, 08:34:47 PM
So it does not annoy you as a member of Ballyholland executive committee that your senior football manager does not conduct himself properly when representing your club????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 21, 2014, 10:24:42 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 21, 2014, 08:34:47 PM
So it does not annoy you as a member of Ballyholland executive committee that your senior football manager does not conduct himself properly when representing your club????
No. I think we have the best coach in the county. He might lose the head on the line. So do I. So does our chairman and there was plenty of ejits on the line last night from the bridge as well. You have more than your fair share of headers in Burren as well. Get over it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on June 22, 2014, 12:07:24 PM
He was at our club for a few seasons and made a lot of friends, left a very good impression and most of all gained the respect of all the players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 22, 2014, 03:42:51 PM
To be fair Jim people in glass houses and all that! The behaviour of some of the Burren mentors at underage leaves a lot to be desired
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on June 22, 2014, 07:23:02 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 21, 2014, 01:40:09 AM
Went to the bridge tonight to see a dour encounter. The home side beating Ballyholland at their own game. Poucher had no decorum at one of his former clubs.
We were lucky to beat a strong saval side midweek. They are a good honest team who are short one or two class players to break into the top four of Down championship teams.
What sort of side did Kilcoo have out v Rgu?
Another good result for Glenn, their defensive system is getting them places but it's really hard to watch and with the majority of teams playing this way it's harder for our classier players to get room to showcase their skills. I fear for the future of the county as I don't see any young players stepping up to the plate.

Imagine trying to stop another team from scoring! I have never read such drivel.
How come Matty Bagnall, Conor Laverty et al can give exhibitions in scoring, week in, week out?
You sound like an England soccer fan, wondering why the other team has just stopped you from playing.
Do you think that a 'classier' player, who can't display his skills at club level, has any chance of cutting it at county level?
How many times have you watched Glenn play this year downjim? Nothing negative or 'hard to watch' about going to Rostrevor and scoring 2-12.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 22, 2014, 07:32:25 PM
In this case I would have to agree with Jim.  I can't see how a manager can perform to his best if he can't control his emotions along the line.  I dont think u would see the likes of Jim McCurry at this.  Add to that I don't see how people within the club can be happy with the embarrassment to their club that is often caused by some of the antics.

5sams you say you think you have the best coach in Down but the league table would suggest you def don't have the best manager in Down and in fact Ballyholland are having their worst league season in years and only for the larger league you would be in a bit of trouble.  Also the difference between you and your chairman losing the head and your manager losing the head is that he is supposed to make important decisions in the heat of the moment and the players on the field should be able to look along the line and see a calm and composed leader who they can trust to make the right calls at the right moments.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on June 22, 2014, 09:04:38 PM
Who is Jim McCurry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 22, 2014, 09:06:08 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on June 22, 2014, 03:42:51 PM
To be fair Jim people in glass houses and all that! The behaviour of some of the Burren mentors at underage leaves a lot to be desired

Burren underage mentors that consist of Warrenpoint men, Ballymartin men, Crossmaglen men and Newry men to name a few  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 22, 2014, 09:14:34 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on June 22, 2014, 09:04:38 PM
Who is Jim McCurry?

Cheers for the correction, much appreciated

Adds so much to the discussion

Thank the lord you joined us this evening.........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 22, 2014, 10:13:18 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on June 22, 2014, 07:32:25 PM
In this case I would have to agree with Jim.  I can't see how a manager can perform to his best if he can't control his emotions along the line.  I dont think u would see the likes of Jim McCurry at this.  Add to that I don't see how people within the club can be happy with the embarrassment to their club that is often caused by some of the antics.

5sams you say you think you have the best coach in Down but the league table would suggest you def don't have the best manager in Down and in fact Ballyholland are having their worst league season in years and only for the larger league you would be in a bit of trouble.  Also the difference between you and your chairman losing the head and your manager losing the head is that he is supposed to make important decisions in the heat of the moment and the players on the field should be able to look along the line and see a calm and composed leader who they can trust to make the right calls at the right moments.

Going by your previous posts you obviously have a bee in your bonnet about Poacher...he must have rubbed you up the wrong way at some stage. As I said before we'll be ok.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 22, 2014, 11:17:38 PM
Never met the man, opinion is just based on what I see at football matches,nothing else.  By all accounts he is a great lad away from the football field but its the antics along the line that tend to annoy people.  Anyway I will leave it at that.

Your opinion on him as being the best coach in Down got me thinking about who is the best coach and or manager currently working in Down.  IMO Frank Dawson is the best coach and Jim MCCORRY is the best manager.  I'd also give a mention to Sean Ward who has St Johns performing very competitively against more traditional heavyweights in that division such as Warrenpoint, Shamrocks and the Kingdom.  Not sure who Glenn manager but he certainly in contention for manager of year at minute.

Any other opinions out there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2014, 11:27:44 PM
In fairness how he behaves does leave alot to be desired. Imho its not the way your senior manager should conduct himself when representing the club. Reflects poorly on himself aswell as the club he represents.also a guy in his profession should know better.not the kind of character exemplar to our schoolchildren. But sure he is loved by players everywhere so thats all that matters really.work away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2014, 11:39:24 PM
WGM div 2 is shite. Point are no heavy weights but they will walk both league and championship, kingdom are average and are on par with clutch of teams like ballymartin, st johns, saul etc.Ward doin well and building on last years progress obviously.there arent too many top homegrown coaches/managers in Down in general.a few self made gurus alright but not too many decent talented coaches/managers from what ive seen.bit worrying really.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 23, 2014, 02:14:03 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on June 22, 2014, 09:06:08 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on June 22, 2014, 03:42:51 PM
To be fair Jim people in glass houses and all that! The behaviour of some of the Burren mentors at underage leaves a lot to be desired

Burren underage mentors that consist of Warrenpoint men, Ballymartin men, Crossmaglen men and Newry men to name a few  ;)

And your point being???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 23, 2014, 08:59:25 AM
Quote from: downjim on June 21, 2014, 01:40:09 AM
Went to the bridge tonight to see a dour encounter. The home side beating Ballyholland at their own game. Poucher had no decorum at one of his former clubs.
We were lucky to beat a strong saval side midweek. They are a good honest team who are short one or two class players to break into the top four of Down championship teams.
What sort of side did Kilcoo have out v Rgu?
Another good result for Glenn, their defensive system is getting them places but it's really hard to watch and with the majority of teams playing this way it's harder for our classier players to get room to showcase their skills. I fear for the future of the county as I don't see any young players stepping up to the plate.
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Their defensive system is based around Liam Bagnall, a young, classy player. Their forward play is based around Matty Bagnall and the two Millars, also young and classy players. They kicked some great scores and played very well against Rostrevor on Friday evening. These are prime examples of young players 'stepping up to the plate' so I would disagree with your point entirely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 23, 2014, 05:59:14 PM
downs qualifier match against Leitrim has been fixed for sun29th at 2pm in pairc esler.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 23, 2014, 06:08:28 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 23, 2014, 08:59:25 AM
Quote from: downjim on June 21, 2014, 01:40:09 AM
Went to the bridge tonight to see a dour encounter. The home side beating Ballyholland at their own game. Poucher had no decorum at one of his former clubs.
We were lucky to beat a strong saval side midweek. They are a good honest team who are short one or two class players to break into the top four of Down championship teams.
What sort of side did Kilcoo have out v Rgu?
Another good result for Glenn, their defensive system is getting them places but it's really hard to watch and with the majority of teams playing this way it's harder for our classier players to get room to showcase their skills. I fear for the future of the county as I don't see any young players stepping up to the plate.
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What I mean is for the county team. I do not see any new potential county players about.

Their defensive system is based around Liam Bagnall, a young, classy player. Their forward play is based around Matty Bagnall and the two Millars, also young and classy players. They kicked some great scores and played very well against Rostrevor on Friday evening. These are prime examples of young players 'stepping up to the plate' so I would disagree with your point entirely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 24, 2014, 09:46:31 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2014, 11:39:24 PM
WGM div 2 is shite. Point are no heavy weights but they will walk both league and championship, kingdom are average and are on par with clutch of teams like ballymartin, st johns, saul etc.Ward doin well and building on last years progress obviously.there arent too many top homegrown coaches/managers in Down in general.a few self made gurus alright but not too many decent talented coaches/managers from what ive seen.bit worrying really.

Sean Ward has done one of the best jobs in Down club football this past two seasons. He's taken St John's from being a lowly Intermediate team to top contenders for senior football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on June 24, 2014, 10:41:38 PM
Glenn's promotion from 3 to 1 in consecutive years must surely top anything St Johns have done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 26, 2014, 11:50:53 AM
Are the 3 kilcoo boys really missing Sundays game???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on June 26, 2014, 05:44:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 26, 2014, 11:50:53 AM
Are the 3 kilcoo boys really missing Sundays game???


Just seen back of Irish News, shocking that 3 lads who have featured in Down's previous games see fit to leave panel behind to go on holiday!!

That's some kick in the balls for Jerome Snr, what are they thinking when they would leave him in lurch or is the bigger question, how or why is Jerome Snr letting them go.

Regardless of reasoning, that has to be them off the panel for the duration of this season and hopefully a run in the qualifiers.

People talk about James building a team around youth and giving youth a chance, why would he when their allegiance lies with sunning themselve rather than putting in the hard yards with Down.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 26, 2014, 07:26:26 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on June 26, 2014, 05:44:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 26, 2014, 11:50:53 AM
Are the 3 kilcoo boys really missing Sundays game???


Just seen back of Irish News, shocking that 3 lads who have featured in Down's previous games see fit to leave panel behind to go on holiday!!

That's some kick in the balls for Jerome Snr, what are they thinking when they would leave him in lurch or is the bigger question, how or why is Jerome Snr letting them go.

Regardless of reasoning, that has to be them off the panel for the duration of this season and hopefully a run in the qualifiers.

People talk about James building a team around youth and giving youth a chance, why would he when their allegiance lies with sunning themselve rather than putting in the hard yards with Down.



Apart from Jerome Jnr who has been starting games, why would the other two stay?  Ryan was one of the main reasons for bringing us back into the first game against Tyrone and what is his reward, 15 minutes in the replay.  If you were naming the top 5 club players in Down over the last few years, I guarantee that most would put Paul up there but obviously James doesn't think so. How much game time has he been given this year in either Mc Kenna Cup, League or Championship?  Very little from a top scorer in club football when we are crying out for scoring forwards.

The question that must be asked is why have so many players decided to leave the panel this year?  The likes of Danny Savage, David Mc Kibben, Connaire Harrison, Darragh O'Hanlon all have left earlier this year and now the Kilcoo 3 with also a few more as well. So much for building a team around youth and giving youth a chance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 26, 2014, 07:44:54 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 26, 2014, 07:26:26 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on June 26, 2014, 05:44:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 26, 2014, 11:50:53 AM
Are the 3 kilcoo boys really missing Sundays game???


Just seen back of Irish News, shocking that 3 lads who have featured in Down's previous games see fit to leave panel behind to go on holiday!!

That's some kick in the balls for Jerome Snr, what are they thinking when they would leave him in lurch or is the bigger question, how or why is Jerome Snr letting them go.

Regardless of reasoning, that has to be them off the panel for the duration of this season and hopefully a run in the qualifiers.

People talk about James building a team around youth and giving youth a chance, why would he when their allegiance lies with sunning themselve rather than putting in the hard yards with Down.



Apart from Jerome Jnr who has been starting games, why would the other two stay?  Ryan was one of the main reasons for bringing us back into the first game against Tyrone and what is his reward, 15 minutes in the replay.  If you were naming the top 5 club players in Down over the last few years, I guarantee that most would put Paul up there but obviously James doesn't think so. How much game time has he been given this year in either Mc Kenna Cup, League or Championship?  Very little from a top scorer in club football when we are crying out for scoring forwards.

The question that must be asked is why have so many players decided to leave the panel this year?  The likes of Danny Savage, David Mc Kibben, Connaire Harrison, Darragh O'Hanlon all have left earlier this year and now the Kilcoo 3 with also a few more as well. So much for building a team around youth and giving youth a chance

its hard to agree with your logic there lineball, fair enough a lot of people would agree ryan should have started the replay but he didnt, doesnt give him the right to fcuk off on a holiday, stinking attitude from the three of them. I would agree that questions do need to be asked on why so many players are leaving the panal, its becoming the norm this last couple of years. a lot of the current young players dont seem to care a dam.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 26, 2014, 08:09:44 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 26, 2014, 07:44:54 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 26, 2014, 07:26:26 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on June 26, 2014, 05:44:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 26, 2014, 11:50:53 AM
Are the 3 kilcoo boys really missing Sundays game???


Just seen back of Irish News, shocking that 3 lads who have featured in Down's previous games see fit to leave panel behind to go on holiday!!

That's some kick in the balls for Jerome Snr, what are they thinking when they would leave him in lurch or is the bigger question, how or why is Jerome Snr letting them go.

Regardless of reasoning, that has to be them off the panel for the duration of this season and hopefully a run in the qualifiers.

People talk about James building a team around youth and giving youth a chance, why would he when their allegiance lies with sunning themselve rather than putting in the hard yards with Down.



Apart from Jerome Jnr who has been starting games, why would the other two stay?  Ryan was one of the main reasons for bringing us back into the first game against Tyrone and what is his reward, 15 minutes in the replay.  If you were naming the top 5 club players in Down over the last few years, I guarantee that most would put Paul up there but obviously James doesn't think so. How much game time has he been given this year in either Mc Kenna Cup, League or Championship?  Very little from a top scorer in club football when we are crying out for scoring forwards.

The question that must be asked is why have so many players decided to leave the panel this year?  The likes of Danny Savage, David Mc Kibben, Connaire Harrison, Darragh O'Hanlon all have left earlier this year and now the Kilcoo 3 with also a few more as well. So much for building a team around youth and giving youth a chance

its hard to agree with your logic there lineball, fair enough a lot of people would agree ryan should have started the replay but he didnt, doesnt give him the right to fcuk off on a holiday, stinking attitude from the three of them. I would agree that questions do need to be asked on why so many players are leaving the panal, its becoming the norm this last couple of years. a lot of the current young players dont seem to care a dam.

So these young lads train their balls off, make the sacrfices, get no club game time, then get no game county time.  Why would they persist with committing to a process where they give plenty but get nothing in return?  It's not just the Kilcoo 3 but the others who I have mentioned Danny Savage, David Mc Kibben, Connaire Harrison, Darragh O'Hanlon and throw in the likes of Jamie O'Reilly & Kalum King who won't commit.  You can't blame the players all the time though. 

You are also right about players not giving a damn but I don't think this is a problem unique to Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 26, 2014, 08:38:28 PM
Unless your an exceptional talent you don't have the divine right to walk onto a county team.You have to work for a few years and take your chance.
If a club minor went on holiday during a club championship the management would be going beserk.this does not bode well for the future. Has Dan McCarten, Ambrose , Benny or the likes ever missed a game due to holidays. They would give their right arm to play for Down.
I guarantee they would not have missed a Kilcoo championship game. They should not be allowed back on the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 26, 2014, 08:50:06 PM
Explain the absence of the others from the county set up.  Why are they not involved?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 26, 2014, 09:20:56 PM
County management deserve all they get after the ridiculous decision to bring dan gordan back a week before a game and starting him. I'd say they lost the subs after that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 26, 2014, 09:22:18 PM
Shows a definite lack of committment and discipline. It probably wont effect us against Leitrim, but there is a principle involved, are management controlling the panel properly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 26, 2014, 09:44:12 PM
In fairness to Dan Gordan, he has given Down at least a dozen years of service, he was returning from injury as well and was apparently playing well for Loughinisland. He has earned the right for James to take a chance on him. I dont think this problem is unique to Down either, I think the Galway captain Bradshaw last year left for the states after Mayo hammered them, i see he is back in Galway team this year as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 26, 2014, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on June 26, 2014, 09:22:18 PM
Shows a definite lack of committment and discipline. It probably wont effect us against Leitrim, but there is a principle involved, are management controlling the panel properly

Maybe it's a lack of knowledge on your part but a management does not control a panel but it should handle it properly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 26, 2014, 10:51:20 PM
if them lads want to go on holiday, let them at it. who would begrudge a young fella a holiday in the sun for a week with his mates. Only young once etc etc. Same as going to Oz or USA for the summer. Young lads shouldn't be hung publically or on discusson boards for it. End of the day, football is ahobbie. Its handy enough for oul men in crowds to give off about young fellas not giving a shite, because that suits them. football was better, men were harder bla bla bla. them lads train their guts out 5 n 6 times a week. their commitmet isn't in queston there. realistically, can you work n base your whole life around football? maybe yes, plenty do.. but is that a smart thing to do? i know young lads who he turned down good job opportunities abroad and in the city, because it wouldn't suit club training. And that a division2 club player.

any player, talented r not, could say 'na ye know what, couldn't be arsed with that anymore, i will play 5a side with the lads instead, or i will play thirds'. and i wouldn't blame them. for all we know, a lad like Danny savage is tonight thinking that. That all the BS he goes through might not be worth it and just drop out of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on June 27, 2014, 10:42:40 AM

Quote from: forevergreen on June 26, 2014, 05:44:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 26, 2014, 11:50:53 AM
Are the 3 kilcoo boys really missing Sundays game???


Just seen back of Irish News, shocking that 3 lads who have featured in Down's previous games see fit to leave panel behind to go on holiday!!

That's some kick in the balls for Jerome Snr, what are they thinking when they would leave him in lurch or is the bigger question, how or why is Jerome Snr letting them go.

Regardless of reasoning, that has to be them off the panel for the duration of this season and hopefully a run in the qualifiers.

People talk about James building a team around youth and giving youth a chance, why would he when their allegiance lies with sunning themselve rather than putting in the hard yards with Down.



I bet you would be the first person to stand up and say that the Gaa players of the modern era should not be paid for what they do  as in train 5/6 nights a week sit in most weekends and not get a penny for it, yet when they decide to go on holidays they are a disgrace.

Kieran mcgeenay sums it up beautifully here at how the so called supporters of our county teams have double standards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1qbXGuuHQs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2014, 10:56:15 AM
The Bryansford players mentioned were more than likely 'convinced' by their new manager that it would be in their best interests and their club's best interests if they were to pursue silverware with their club this year. Lets face it, they have a better chance of winning a championship there than lifting Sam. Did O'Hanlon not leave of his own accord in spectacular fashion?
Players have a choice, young or old. Nobody forces them to be there. If they are willing to make the sacrifices and get on board then great. Buy into the system, put your head down and get on with things. Otherwise, if you feel harshly treated or hard done by in some fashion then you can simply walk away and play for your club, travel the world, go on holidays etc.
Someone else will come along behind all those previously named players and gladly take up their place on the panel. Eaglelord if ye could explain all the 'bullshit' that Danny Savage (as an example) as gone through it might prove useful.
Some of us would also do well to remember whether we like it or not, a lot of players are on panels to be used as training cones and to push the others on, they will never feature heavily nor be used when it matters. Their function as part of the panel of players is to drive others to work harder and provide competition. If you don't want to be a training cone someone else will be. Might be harsh but its true.

Its beggar's believe that any player who is serious about being an intercounty footballer and wants to progress to the highest level and fulfil his potential on the biggest stage in our games, would book holidays for the peak season where the risk of a clash with games is a distinct possibility. The most dedicated of club players wouldn't do it imho.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 29, 2014, 07:11:24 PM
Great result today but was it really any big surprise.  The question I have to ask is who do the Mc Cartan's think they are?  Eoin back in the panel again, what is that all about?  The man can't train yet he is fit to play for Down, catch a grip would you.  Talk about cutting a stick for people, like me, to beat you with.  I just think it is pathetic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on June 29, 2014, 09:46:59 PM
Sure all the 3 killcoo holiday makers have to say is they are not fit to train but are able to play and everything will be alright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 30, 2014, 11:32:51 AM
Kildare in the qualifiers. A lot better than playing Monaghan/Armagh.

I see Down listed first. Does this mean we will be at home for this match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 30, 2014, 12:17:19 PM
That match yesterday will have told us nothing about Down we didn't already know.
There would be few if any lessons learned after that game.

Could someone enlighten me or answer me a few things about yesterday's setup?

Ambrose Rodgers comes on as a blood sub into the forward line for Mark Poland. This would make one assume he was close to starting or was maybe gonna be used at some stage of the game. Yet He never re-appeared for the rest of the game when subs were used, he doesn't get back on. Does anyone know why this would be. Was he injured, did he get injured in his brief cameo? Confusing I thought.

Eoin McCartan does not & cannot complete full training sessions for his club due to his history of injuries apparently. He doesn't regularly play for his club either im lead to believe. Burren heads on here correct me if im wrong. Can someone explain to me the justification for him being on the county panel let alone making an appearance. Here we have a player nearing 30 with a host of injury problems, who cant train or play consistently with his club but yet he tends to figure every summer in some shape or form for his county. And before anyone jumps at me this is not a personal attack or anti-McCartan in any shape or form. Im genuinely curious to know how this continually happens.

Good to see younger players getting a run out yesterday but question is will we see wholesale changes for Kildare game or are we no integrating these players into the team to actually use them? Are we merely paying lip service to panellists to give them a run and keep them on board and happy or are we seriously considering the likes of Donnelly & McCartan for Rooney, McArdle, Carr etc?
Imo Yesterday would have been perfect game to start the like of Conor Toner alongside Dan Gordon in midfield and give him a full match.  Maybe also give Doyle a full game if he is to be used down the line.

   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on June 30, 2014, 10:28:58 PM
Have to agree with you Brick, Eoin is and always has been a dedicated lad but as you say, injury has deprived him of any type of sustainable training with either club or county.

I would be the first to laud his undoubtedd talent but with a long injury list and a distinct lack of general play time, he should not be on the panel. But he loves his football and given any opportunity to play for Down, he will take it. However we should be looking at other players who can do all the work and both learn and contribute to the future.

There are a lot of lads not getting game time and between general frustratuon and then being pushed out by players who have either not done the work or can't do the work, it is little wonder some. Of these subs are leaving the panel, add into that the fact that the 3 holiday makers will no doubt be in the reckoning for Kildare and there is a distinct possibility other panelists will also opt out.

Positives from yesterday apart from the result and conor laaverty being untouchable were the fact that Donnelly, O'Hagan, Ciaran McCartan and Conor Toner all seen game time, they are all great options for the future and hopefully will create a greater competition for places and therefore better performances all round, beginning with Kildare.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 30, 2014, 11:45:01 PM
This Kildare game well tell us a lot about our place in the rankings. They have power,pace, and experience, and while they appear to have fallen back a little this year, probably due  the loss of a couple of their marque players, Doyle in particular, they are still a serious threat. Not a time for experimentation, we need our best team out, and that would not include Eoin Mc Cartan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 02, 2014, 08:52:47 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2014, 10:56:15 AM

Eaglelord if ye could explain all the 'bullshit' that Danny Savage (as an example) as gone through it might prove useful.
Some of us would also do well to remember whether we like it or not, a lot of players are on panels to be used as training cones and to push the others on, they will never feature heavily nor be used when it matters. Their function as part of the panel of players is to drive others to work harder and provide competition. If you don't want to be a training cone someone else will be. Might be harsh but its true.

Its beggar's believe that any player who is serious about being an intercounty footballer and wants to progress to the highest level and fulfil his potential on the biggest stage in our games, would book holidays for the peak season where the risk of a clash with games is a distinct possibility. The most dedicated of club players wouldn't do it imho.

I dont mean to single out Danny Savage as a player who has gone through bullshit. I dont know if he has or not, I merely used his name as an example as a young player we all love to watch, has a lot of talent but could easily step aside because of the fierce critisims and spotlight that is on a young fella playing county football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on July 02, 2014, 08:58:24 AM
That game on Sunday would have been an ideal game for a young lad like Danny Savage to play in as it turns out. They couldnt contain Laverty. The passing an moving between Downs forwards was fantastic, wee one-twos and quick lay-offs, great to see. No reason it cant be replicated against other, better teams. Having lightning quick runners, and thinkers is a huge asset. Laverty, Maginn, Poland, O'Hare, Savage would terrify defences with pure speed. If Poland stops carrying the ball into contact every time that is, and O'Hare contributes more to open play, rather than just frees.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 02, 2014, 10:27:28 AM
Wee bit harsh there on those players are ye not.
I don't think we will see Poland get blown for overcarryin 3 times the next game, not something he regularly does.
A lot of those forwards you listed are good and talented, but they are on the smaller weaker end of the scale too. A good big one is always better than a good wee one.
Don't like to see too many players of the same build lining out in the front 6. Or the back 6 for that matter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 02, 2014, 10:57:40 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on July 02, 2014, 10:27:28 AM
Wee bit harsh there on those players are ye not.
I don't think we will see Poland get blown for overcarryin 3 times the next game, not something he regularly does.
A lot of those forwards you listed are good and talented, but they are on the smaller weaker end of the scale too. A good big one is always better than a good wee one.
Don't like to see too many players of the same build lining out in the front 6. Or the back 6 for that matter.

100% agree. I think that's where we lost the AI Final in 2010. Among our subs who came on the day were Conor Laverty and Conor Magin while Cork were able to spring Nicholas Murphy, Colm O'Neill and Graham Canty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on July 02, 2014, 11:59:37 AM
5 Sams, one of the reasons Down failed in AI Final 2010 is because they took off one of the smallest players on the field, Paul McComiskey and that we didn't vary our kickouts. Be under no illusions Cork's substitutes did not win the game for them, Down lost the game by not adapting in the 2nd half. We have to work with what we've got. We for some reason or another are not littered with big athletic skillful players. We can't start bringing in players who are not up to standard just because of their size.

All the aforementioned younger players are all well capable to make the step up, I think you could put Conleth O'Hare in there too, but were they realistically given a chance by management? During the league, the same substitutions were constantly used. You can say what you like about getting their chances in the McKenna Cup but we all know that isn't worth a damn. Players want to play, or at least feel they are getting a fair crack of the whip to claim their place and that doesn't happen with this Down team. So I for one couldn't blame them saying no to training 5 times a week, training weekends, drink bans, travelling all over the country for challenge games, etc. etc. just to get a seat on the bench week in week out when they could be playing for their clubs instead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 02, 2014, 12:23:41 PM
Ross Carr took the big man approach to the extreme with limited results. Magic Johnson, Jackie Lynch, a few of the Leitriem lads as well spring to mind. McCartan took a totally new approach bringing in Poland to CHF and got team to an AIF from nowhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 02, 2014, 12:52:39 PM
A mixture of both is needed. You will win nothing with 6 forwards that are ultra skilful and fleet-footed but 5ft9 and lightweight.
Similarly you will win nothing with 6 forwards that are 6ft beasts but heavy hoofed. Im not advocating a big-man approach at all, really a balance has to be struck.
I just think we happen to have had a lot of the same type of player available to us for the last 10 years.

Players got their chance on sunday last to play 'competitive' championship football. But question is how many of them will start or feature significantly against Kildare?
Ye would hate to think that a Conor Toner or Ciaran McCartan is getting game time merely to keep them on board and away from the airport.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on July 02, 2014, 12:59:37 PM
If any player that is not willing to do the 5 nights training or the drink bans or the training weekends will never be any addition to a county set up. Lads must buy into the regime at the start of the year and give it a good rattle to improve themselves and the county if they are not willing to do this you are better off without them.unless they train all year round at that pace they will be nowhere near championship pace. An example of this is Costello who has been about a while trained hard and has got his chances and in my opinion did well. He also could of taken the easy option and threw the dummy out when he list his place in the league last year but he didn't he knuckled down and worked hard. I think boys throw the head to easy they think they are fit for county but don't actually want to work hard when they get there. They are happy to get the gear and prance about but won't roll the sleeves up and do a bit of work. Then it's easy for us to blame the management but yet we don't see what goes on at these sessions who is doing what.  I have saw bits of the training through out the the year and it's a hard slog. In my opinion that's the problem they are not willing to put the shoulder to the wheel yet the old hands who more than likely shop a lot of the blame when things go wrong are still giving 100%
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 02, 2014, 02:53:59 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on July 02, 2014, 12:59:37 PM
If any player that is not willing to do the 5 nights training or the drink bans or the training weekends will never be any addition to a county set up. Lads must buy into the regime at the start of the year and give it a good rattle to improve themselves and the county if they are not willing to do this you are better off without them.unless they train all year round at that pace they will be nowhere near championship pace. An example of this is Costello who has been about a while trained hard and has got his chances and in my opinion did well. He also could of taken the easy option and threw the dummy out when he list his place in the league last year but he didn't he knuckled down and worked hard. I think boys throw the head to easy they think they are fit for county but don't actually want to work hard when they get there. They are happy to get the gear and prance about but won't roll the sleeves up and do a bit of work. Then it's easy for us to blame the management but yet we don't see what goes on at these sessions who is doing what.  I have saw bits of the training through out the the year and it's a hard slog. In my opinion that's the problem they are not willing to put the shoulder to the wheel yet the old hands who more than likely shop a lot of the blame when things go wrong are still giving 100%

I'll bring Dan Gordan into it here...one rule for one and another for everyone else or how does it work under your logic? Interested to know your view, not getting at you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on July 02, 2014, 06:12:31 PM
I was getting more at the lads who year upon year come training at the start then as things get harder they leave the panel. Dan Gordon joining the panel was probably to do with the numbers being poor at training and James thought he could get enough out of him to get by. But I don't believe he will get up to championship pace after not playing any football in almost two years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on July 02, 2014, 09:43:13 PM
It's alright for a man like Costello who doesn't have much to play for at club level, no disrespect to Breadagh. Take the lads that play for Kilcoo, Bryansford, Mayobridge, Burren, etc. these lads all play for clubs that have serious ambitions at a senior club championships. They can't afford to waste a few years of not being match sharp for when they go back to their clubs.

You can sit there and say all this nonsense about putting the shoulder to the wheel, etc. but the reality is there is not a level playing field when it comes to claiming a place, especially when you see the likes of Eoin McCartan continuously getting a run out. These players are not pawns, they're amateurs who give up their free time AND work time to commit to a panel. Why commit when there is nothing beneficial there for them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on July 02, 2014, 09:56:26 PM
If people didn't commit we would have no county team at all in my opinion that's nonsense
And for you to say it's alright for Costello to committ to 3-4 nights running from Belfast to Newry because he really has nothing to play for at club level that is unbelievable. If that was the case why is the team not all made up with lads from the all the other clubs you haven't mentioned. The ones who have no aspirations to win the championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 03, 2014, 11:07:59 AM
"James McCartan has come up with a 'radical' plan to overhaul the Ulster SFC - and generate additional income at the same time. Speaking to the Irish News, the Mourne County boss proposed a Champions League style format of two groups divided into five and four teams.

"Look, if Ulster wants to be radical, take a step forward yet still retain their Ulster Championship, they could run with a group of five and a group of four - in the group of five everybody gets four games, in the group of four everybody gets three, and there are semi-finals and a final.

"There'd be loads of games, you'd play every week, you don't wait for a month to play your next match. It would actually make more room for the clubs if you're playing every week, and more inter-county football for inter-county players."

The additional revenue would be an added bonus for counties, he added, and would greatly assist in upgrading county grounds throughout the province.

"Another reason for that is that our county ground went donkey's years without a home Championship draw - and they can't get the money to do up the place. I just think it would make financial sense - you'd be guaranteed at least one home game a year, if not two.  You'd know, "We're going to get a certain amount of income from that, we can spend it on the ground'. To me, it's win-win-win. "

It is great to hear that  a manager is finally backing up the sort of things supporters have been saying for some time. This would go some way to solving the commitment issue for the younger players. If there are lots of games there is more opportunity to play the entire squad. Players deserve a reward for their commitment and the reward they want most is not payment but just time on the pitch. but with so few games to be offered there is a limited opportunity to give them game time.

I think provinces and All Ireland should be fully separate. Play a champions league style provincial championship over 6 weeks then a completely separate champions league style All-Ireland over the next 8 weeks or so. (The final provincial placing used only to create seedings for the AI draw) That way there would be around 9-10 championship games total guaranteed. that would be plenty to give lots of lads a chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on July 03, 2014, 09:57:48 PM
NP you've clearly missed my point. Being on the Down Senior Intercounty Panel will more than likely be the pinnacle in Costello's career, whereas Savage and Co have greater aspirations than just sitting on the bench and not getting a chance. They quite clearly are putting their club aspirations first and I for one couldn't blame them considering the track record of Down managements failure to give them a chance. A competitive panel of players is only bred by the managements ability; to keep everyone interested and to make tough decisions regarding selection.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on July 04, 2014, 10:19:04 AM
Speculative you seem to be missing my point so we will agree to disagree on this one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 04, 2014, 10:24:25 AM
Speculative you are being more than disingenuous to Owen Costello.
You have no idea what the pinnacle of any footballer's playing career would be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on July 04, 2014, 12:30:59 PM
Hardly disingenuous to suggest that for Costello or anyone like him (playing for a middle of the road intermediate club) that playing for Down will be the pinnacle of his club/county career so far. I'm not in any way trying to run down Costello here, I think he's a decent player and worth his place on the panel, etc. My point is that he will commit because his club have no serious ambitions at silverware, (lets call a spade a spade) whereas the other lads whose club DO have credible claims to winning Championships will not see the benefit of slogging it out for 2/3 years on the bench waiting for a chance. It's hardly a contentious point.

The facts speak for themselves;

12 players from "top 4" clubs on Down Panel, 10 see regular game time, 7 are nailed on starters, whereas the other 2 have had sub appearances in league and champ. Compare that to the start of the year where there were in and around 19/20 players from the same clubs on the panel. Too many absentees for it to be coincidence or unwillingness to put the "hard work" in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on July 04, 2014, 12:54:47 PM
Quote from: speculative on July 04, 2014, 12:30:59 PM
Hardly disingenuous to suggest that for Costello or anyone like him (playing for a middle of the road intermediate club) that playing for Down will be the pinnacle of his club/county career so far. I'm not in any way trying to run down Costello here, I think he's a decent player and worth his place on the panel, etc. My point is that he will commit because his club have no serious ambitions at silverware, (lets call a spade a spade) whereas the other lads whose club DO have credible claims to winning Championships will not see the benefit of slogging it out for 2/3 years on the bench waiting for a chance. It's hardly a contentious point.

The facts speak for themselves;

12 players from "top 4" clubs on Down Panel, 10 see regular game time, 7 are nailed on starters, whereas the other 2 have had sub appearances in league and champ. Compare that to the start of the year where there were in and around 19/20 players from the same clubs on the panel. Too many absentees for it to be coincidence or unwillingness to put the "hard work" in.

Does the junior and intermediate championship not count as silverware? Last time I checked there was a trophy for winning them.

I think most if not all players would rather win a championship with their club than get a runout on a down team that hasnt won anything in a long time, and with no sign of that changing in the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on July 04, 2014, 01:10:39 PM
Knockitdown, well considering there is no Junior player on the panel, we can remove that from the argument. Secondly, the teams competing for an intermediate title i.e. the current top 4 of div 2 have only 2 players on the senior panel (as far as I am aware); Ryan Boyle and Liam Devlin from Clann Na Banna.

I agree, players will always consider their clubs over a place on a Down Senior Panel, especially if they have a chance of winning something
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Corner Forward on July 04, 2014, 01:43:55 PM
Quote from: speculative on July 04, 2014, 01:10:39 PM
Knockitdown, well considering there is no Junior player on the panel, we can remove that from the argument. Secondly, the teams competing for an intermediate title i.e. the current top 4 of div 2 have only 2 players on the senior panel (as far as I am aware); Ryan Boyle and Liam Devlin from Clann Na Banna.

I agree, players will always consider their clubs over a place on a Down Senior Panel, especially if they have a chance of winning something

Ciaran McCarten is he not from Warrenpoint? It is quite well known that in recent months the Down management have approached a number of players who play in the lower leagues to join the panel, yet they have refused and continue to play for their club, therefore your argument that those playing in the lower divisions would jump at the chance to play for the county is incorrect.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 05, 2014, 03:40:14 PM
What happened the Magpies last night?? They might struggle to make the top three now ?
Starred fixtures must really hurt them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on July 05, 2014, 06:34:44 PM
By all accounts Kilcoo were beat by the better team on the night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on July 05, 2014, 09:46:38 PM
must be a poor team without their county players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on July 06, 2014, 09:17:40 AM
When you consider Kilcoo where minus not only 4 county players but also 4 other certain starters you will realise that's half a team out. Kilcoo are in championship training at present, I seen the days where we took all in front of us in the league, but Jim McCorry tailors kilcoos needs so that They peak at the correct time now, as evidence of the last number of years proves. Medals where not given out on Friday night!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on July 12, 2014, 09:44:13 PM
twefth fortnight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 13, 2014, 08:13:37 PM
Well lads. What do we do now? That was brutal today. Benny best player and him on one leg? It would break your heart watching our boys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 13, 2014, 08:41:58 PM
Totally dejected after that today. Where do we go from here? the last 20 mins were pathetic, kildare ran through us at will. The thing is we're getting used to it now. Big changes needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on July 13, 2014, 09:31:17 PM
James gone? Anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 14, 2014, 12:19:02 AM
I have always been a supporter and defender of James but I think the time has prob come for him to call it a day.  The fiasco of the boys going on holiday and today's performance would indicate that he has prob lost the dressing room at this stage.

Who could replace him is a very difficult question.  McCorry  would be ideal but I think he is too smart to take it with the current shape Down are in.  Dawson would be a risky appointment and would divide a lot of opinion.  After that I am really struggling to think of potential replacements if James decides to go.

On the players you could see numerous retirements now especially if James goes.  McVeigh, Dan McCartan, Gordon, Ambrose, Benny, Doyle could all call it a day now and you couldn't blame them for the years service they have given.  If there is a new manager it might be better for a fresh start and try and build with the younger lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on July 14, 2014, 09:53:53 AM
Very dissapointing yesterday lads. When the draw was made i felt it was the perfect tie in that it would tell us where we were at. Theres no point in playing 4th division teams all the way to Croke Pk only for the likes of Dublin, Mayo or Cork to show us the gulf in class.  Wee James has been brilliant for us, he took Down Football from a bad place right up to the top table contesting major finals only to just fall short of a trophy. However looking in it seems that the boys just aren'nt playing for him. Its hard to know exactly where the problem lies but right now Down football is struggling. The underage teams of the past few years have been dismal whilst the best club side in the county produce only one regular starter.

Its heartbraking that most of the very best underage players from the best underage sides from the past 15 or so years have been largely unavailable. There will be retirements no doubt but I'd hope that Benny and Gordon particularly stay on. Forget his age Benny is one of the top 5 players in Down club football and also arguably our best performer this summer in whatever role he was asked to play. With big Dan, hes the best midfielder in the county by far and still is'nt 30 yet and having missed a couple of years with injury probably does'nt have as many miles on the clock as we'd think.

For now all we can say is thanks to the mangement and players who have put the work in this year and hopefully we can somehow improve and give division 2 a rattle next year rgardless of whoevers in charge or selected to play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 14, 2014, 12:08:42 PM
Dan Gordon is 31, and Benny is a year older, so they are not quite pensioners yet. The problem is that injuries have taken their toll, and committing for another year is a big decision. Whoever is in charge should start talking to them as soon as possible, because there are clearly going to be other retirements and we need a hard core of experienced players within what will be a pretty young squad when we start in division two in February.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 14, 2014, 01:50:12 PM
It would be beneficial if a couple of the older heads could stay on.  Gordon and Benny would be ideal but I think Benny has always maintained that once James stood down he would be be doing the same so it remains to be seen if he can be persuaded to stay on.

Ambrose is a strange one as he went from being a vital member of the team to see Damian Turley coming on ahead of him in the half forward line and Conor Toner coming on at midfield.  Maybe the injuries are finally catching up on him but it seems very strange that he has fallen so far down the pecking order.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 14, 2014, 03:48:24 PM
Yesterday was waiting to happen for a while now.
Being touted as favourites from alot of quarters and from watching that game some of our players must have thought it was a matter of just showing up.
Bad day for the players, the management and the supporters.

Young Cunningham in goals is a fine keeper and im sure he will get better with experience but he is no Cluxton or Morgan when it comes to stroking over the dead balls. Also it was killing us how many times we failed to retain possession from our own kickouts. The days of booting it long and high (regardless if you have Dan Gordon in the middle) are truly done and gone. Why why why were we not kicking the ball to the sidelines 40-50 yards and allowing our men to run onto the ball to collect rather than having it launched down their throats forcing them to collect above their heads . I dont blame the goalie solely here but also the management and the players. Players werent exactly demanding the ball kicked into space. And when they did a la Conor Toner the kick wasnt made, thus rendering his run useless and also taking him out of the play whenever the kick was aimed down the middle. It just looked as though we had no kickout strategy at all for retaining our own restarts.

Defensively i thought we had our match-ups wrong as well as our tactics. Whenever Kildare had the ball we completely retreated into space in our defence. Yes we did make some interceptions and cut out some supply but whenever we have 3 spare men trottin back to fill gaps its cat looking especially whenever they dont tangibly influence play, force a tackle, hit the ball carrier or get involved in the play in some way. Too many times in first half we had players back marking space and Kildare still scored at will. If they had their boots on the would have been easily in double figures by half time.
In comparison to Kildare their defensive approach was alot better. They relied on sheer hunger, guts and determination to get themselves up our players holes on every occasion. See Emmet Bolton or Ollie Lyons. They epitomised Kildare's hunger and attitude on sunday, Bolton especially. Playing on the edge all day and risking the long walk off he snarled and bullied his way through the game and wasnt going to cow down to anyone in red jersey. He clearly got inside Poland's head and got the better of him, and his influence also rubbed off on other defenders which saw Conor McGinn, Poland, Lavery and O'Hare (Actually nearly all our forwards) bullied and outmuscled on more occasions than i care to remember.

From an offensive viewpoint it was a poor day at the office and a poor return from a talented group of players. When 32 yr old Benny Coulter is your best attacker it simply isnt good enough. He was as good as you could hope for and led the fightback after half time on his own nearly. Not enough players weighed in to support or hurt the scoreboard. Laverty was kept in check by an able marker and when he is quiet like that he is made look very average. Donal O'Hare doesnt do enough from open play and the further he roams from the square the less effective he becomes.

Why bring on Ryan Johnson and replace him 15mins later? Why bring Damian Turley (a corner back) on in his place into the half forward line? Where has Aidan Carr gone to? Why wasnt Jerome Johnson used after making an impact in most previous games he played. Is Ambrose or Doyle not fit to play any part at all? Why invite Shea McArdle onto the squad in the last week or so and him only off a plane from a year in spain? To the casual observer some of the stuff that has went on this year is baffling.

Id expect alot of the older heads on that panel to step down after this year and id also expect the management to go too.
James got us to an All Ireland Final where a kick of the ball was the difference in the 2 teams. He also got us to Div1 where we were well able to compete at that time. I dont see many more being able to do that right away but i do think its time for a different voice and set up. McCorry/Dawson would be my choices. But cant see the county board goin for that.

On another note id be concerned at how development of younger players within our county are being catered for.
From what ive heard and seen, the management of the development squads would leave alot to be desired.
Armagh have Paul McGrane & Denis Holywood overseeing the 'Orchard Academy' whereby everything is structured properly with all age brackets catered for properly with fully qualified and experienced coaching personnel in place, with all age groups singing from same hymn sheet, all aiming in one direction. The benefits will be clear to see in the next 8 years id wager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on July 14, 2014, 09:43:05 PM
The most depressing thing about that defeat yesterday was that it was going to arrive sooner or later. The facile victory over Leitrim just prolonged the inevitable. There has been no direction, drive or purpose behind Down's entire year, never mind the championship. It was obvious from our league performances that it was going to be a short summer, and the further we progressed through the qualifiers the bigger our final tanking was likely to be. Why have we been capable of producing a maximum of 10-15 blistering minutes of football per game? We still have enough good footballers in the team to be playing above the level we are currently at but can't help but feel that this is the point of no return for James and a few of the older boys.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 14, 2014, 09:54:03 PM
James was given a three-year term when he took on the Down job at the start of 2010, and, as he was generally understood to have extended this by a further three years at the end of 2012, he is unlikely to face any pressure from the county board. He has been a successful manager by any standards, turning a squad which was going nowhere into All Ireland finalists and first division regulars, and he is entitled to take his time and decide if he wants to give it another season. It is a draining role, and he may well feel that he needs a break, but the list of credible successors is not a long one at this stage.

Our performance yesterday was largely in line with our form all year, which has mixed flashes of optimism with long periods of mediocrity. Our league displays were mixed at best, and we would have been relegated instead of Armagh had it not been for Poland's injury time goal at the Athletic Grounds.

In the championship, we had a dire first half and an excellent second in Omagh, a flat effort throughout in the reply, a training run against Leitrim and, apart from the first ten minutes after the break, we were mainly sub-standard against Kildare. Some mistakes were obviously made over team selections and tactics, but our squad lacked quality in a number of areas.

There were not many positives along the way, but we did at least bring in five players new to championship football who can hopefully be expected to improve - Michael Cunningham, Ciaran McCartan, Niall Donnelly, Conor Toner and Ryan Johnston. Against that, another five relatively young players with a fair degree of potential - Danny Savage, Shane Harrison, Connaire Harrison, Jamie O'Reilly and Darragh O'Hanlon - were all involved with the squad at different times but never kicked a ball in the championship. A further five experienced players - Paul McComiskey, Ryan Mallon, Kallum King, Shea McArdle and Keith Quinn - were not available for a range of reasons other than injury.

If many or most of these 15 names feature in 2015 to replace some of the veterans who may retire, it is possible that we can be more competitive next spring in what could be a tough second division for us. Our u21s and minors of recent years have not thrown up many additional options, so our problems may go deeper than the identity of our manager. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 14, 2014, 10:12:37 PM
problem is though these performances happen regularly for down. qualifier against Derry last year as another example. I wonder sometimes if down need some  one to get into their minds a bit like McGuiness has done with Donegal. too often down go missing when they should be fully tuned in.  On another option for manager if wee James goes , Conor deegan has been plying his trade in Dublin with skerries harps ballyboden St end as and now kilmacud crokes, might be worth consideration plus he would come in almost as an outside manager who would have no club or player loyalty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on July 15, 2014, 12:29:17 PM
Been saying for a while how inept some of our so called "star players" have been performing in big games, I agree with Brick about the performance of certain forwards, how Donal O Hare has retained his place is baffling to say the least, how the 3 boys that cleared off on holiday are back in the panel never mind actually playing is also baffling! Shea Mc Ardle who didn't even strip out for Burren in the championship a few weeks back is named as a sub is baffling! The phase out we are experiencing towards the end of games, Tyrone and very evidently Kildare considering we have one of the best sports scientists/conditioning men in Moyna employed is also baffling. Mc Cartan has to stay, no doubting that, there is simply no suitable candidate to replace him as senior manager but a more ruthless, disciplined approach needs to be adhered to from the beginning of next year, that would start with removing Jerome Johnston from the management team, impossible to remain impartial with two sons on the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 15, 2014, 12:35:24 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on July 15, 2014, 12:29:17 PM
Been saying for a while how inept some of our so called "star players" have been performing in big games, I agree with Brick about the performance of certain forwards, how Donal O Hare has retained his place is baffling to say the least, how the 3 boys that cleared off on holiday are back in the panel never mind actually playing is also baffling! Shea Mc Ardle who didn't even strip out for Burren in the championship a few weeks back is named as a sub is baffling! The phase out we are experiencing towards the end of games, Tyrone and very evidently Kildare considering we have one of the best sports scientists/conditioning men in Moyna employed is also baffling. Mc Cartan has to stay, no doubting that, there is simply no suitable candidate to replace him as senior manager but a more ruthless, disciplined approach needs to be adhered to from the beginning of next year, that would start with removing Jerome Johnston from the management team, impossible to remain impartial with two sons on the panel.

But yet James can remain totally impartial with his two brothers knocking about the team? Nothing against James, just don't see your logic here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on July 15, 2014, 12:59:57 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 15, 2014, 12:35:24 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on July 15, 2014, 12:29:17 PM
Been saying for a while how inept some of our so called "star players" have been performing in big games, I agree with Brick about the performance of certain forwards, how Donal O Hare has retained his place is baffling to say the least, how the 3 boys that cleared off on holiday are back in the panel never mind actually playing is also baffling! Shea Mc Ardle who didn't even strip out for Burren in the championship a few weeks back is named as a sub is baffling! The phase out we are experiencing towards the end of games, Tyrone and very evidently Kildare considering we have one of the best sports scientists/conditioning men in Moyna employed is also baffling. Mc Cartan has to stay, no doubting that, there is simply no suitable candidate to replace him as senior manager but a more ruthless, disciplined approach needs to be adhered to from the beginning of next year, that would start with removing Jerome Johnston from the management team, impossible to remain impartial with two sons on the panel.

But yet James can remain totally impartial with his two brothers knocking about the team? Nothing against James, just don't see your logic here.

Do you not think he can?? Everyone knows Eoin should be nowhere near the panel, I missed that point, your right but I think other posters raised that issue but Daniel deserves to be there, he's one of other better man markers but like Benny, Dan G, Mc Veigh he's not getting any younger but yes I ll take your point on board, he does have a personal interest but I think the issue is Eoin not Daniel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on July 15, 2014, 01:20:15 PM
Find it very hard to see the logic of retaining McCartan as manager. He has done a decent job and we have competed at a level that we had'nt in the years previous, but it now looks a bit stale.

IMO, I think the county board should do everything in their power to acquire McCrory, who is without doubt one of the best tacticians in Ulster. If not McCrory, I don't see why we should only appoint from within the county, why not look to an outsider, who will bring a fresh approach and impetus. Add in the fact there will be no favour shown toward any club or players due to personal ties, I think it's win win. Either way, decisions need to be made soon so the new prospective manager will have time to evaluate the club scene properly. We can't sit on our hands.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 15, 2014, 03:04:24 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on July 15, 2014, 12:59:57 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 15, 2014, 12:35:24 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on July 15, 2014, 12:29:17 PM
Been saying for a while how inept some of our so called "star players" have been performing in big games, I agree with Brick about the performance of certain forwards, how Donal O Hare has retained his place is baffling to say the least, how the 3 boys that cleared off on holiday are back in the panel never mind actually playing is also baffling! Shea Mc Ardle who didn't even strip out for Burren in the championship a few weeks back is named as a sub is baffling! The phase out we are experiencing towards the end of games, Tyrone and very evidently Kildare considering we have one of the best sports scientists/conditioning men in Moyna employed is also baffling. Mc Cartan has to stay, no doubting that, there is simply no suitable candidate to replace him as senior manager but a more ruthless, disciplined approach needs to be adhered to from the beginning of next year, that would start with removing Jerome Johnston from the management team, impossible to remain impartial with two sons on the panel.

But yet James can remain totally impartial with his two brothers knocking about the team? Nothing against James, just don't see your logic here.

Do you not think he can?? Everyone knows Eoin should be nowhere near the panel, I missed that point, your right but I think other posters raised that issue but Daniel deserves to be there, he's one of other better man markers but like Benny, Dan G, Mc Veigh he's not getting any younger but yes I ll take your point on board, he does have a personal interest but I think the issue is Eoin not Daniel.

I do, but likewise I think JJ can too. I don't have an issue with these relationships, I was just raising the point as I thought it odd to single out JJ when James has the same issue with connections in the panel - neither of which I think have a big effect in the overall picture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Corner Forward on July 15, 2014, 04:22:17 PM
Don't see how JJ relationship  is any different to james. Would like to see McCrory In next if james does step aside. Somebody with a fresh approach is what we need IMO to hopefully get r better players back wanting to play. However can't see the county board affording an outside manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 16, 2014, 01:11:03 PM
I presume that you mean Mc Corry. His record with Kilcoo,the Bridge and others is good but not sure about him or Dawson. James has done a good job on the whole but not sure about his man management skills this year. I agree with PaulD; the players don't look happy and nothing was ever achieved without enthusiasm. Unlike others I don't have inside knowledge but some of the decisions were baffling e.g. Taking off Peter Turley when we needed his strength and energy reminded me of the treatment of John Clarke in 2010; no matter how he was playing, he was taken off. The sudden appearances of Eoin, the disappeances of some promising younger players and the reappearance of the Johnstons were visible signs of a disunited camp. James has good men around him but something was missing this year so in some ways I am glad that it's over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 21, 2014, 11:34:21 PM
It is probably just as well that our inter-county season ended early if the latest results were anything to go by. Kildare, who beat us very easily on our own pitch, were exposed as an ordinary side by Clare, and only edged home by a point. Meath, who had previously taken Kildare apart, were completely demolished by Dublin, and are clearly another limited team. The previous week, Tyrone, who also hammered us in Newry, were comprehensively outplayed by Armagh.

Kildare, Meath and Tyrone are at best middle-ranking outfits, so the evidence is that we have fallen much further down the championship pecking order. Whoever in charge next season faces a massive task, and the return of some of those who have been unavailable over the last year or two looks essential.  King, McComiskey, Savage, Mallon, O'Hanlon and the Harrison brothers would at least give us a few options if they were back in the fold, as our recent underage squads have not thrown up too many other prospects.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on July 22, 2014, 02:15:14 PM
Looks like some sort of change is needed - most likely will mean James standing down but I think James can hold his head high with his record. If he stays on then he should continue to receive the support of the County.

There has been a massive overhaul of players over the past 5 years which will continue into 2015. We will probably see more Kilcoo players as I would expect the Johnstons (despite the controversy this year), to become more prominent as well as O'Hanlon. Younger/Alternative players would include a few of the Bryansford lads maybe, Danny Savage for one. Conor Doyle from Rostrevor is a good talent who consistently scores 3-4 points per game for a struggling side. These are the type of player we need to look to now in my eyes. I dont see the point in continuously calling on the like of Liam Doyle, Aidan Carr etc who no question have provided great moments for us but we need to move on now. James has started the regeneration, it is now up to him or the next man to continue the process.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 22, 2014, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on July 22, 2014, 02:15:14 PM
Looks like some sort of change is needed - most likely will mean James standing down but I think James can hold his head high with his record. If he stays on then he should continue to receive the support of the County.

There has been a massive overhaul of players over the past 5 years which will continue into 2015. We will probably see more Kilcoo players as I would expect the Johnstons (despite the controversy this year), to become more prominent as well as O'Hanlon. Younger/Alternative players would include a few of the Bryansford lads maybe, Danny Savage for one. Conor Doyle from Rostrevor is a good talent who consistently scores 3-4 points per game for a struggling side. These are the type of player we need to look to now in my eyes. I dont see the point in continuously calling on the like of Liam Doyle, Aidan Carr etc who no question have provided great moments for us but we need to move on now. James has started the regeneration, it is now up to him or the next man to continue the process.

U21 panel at least would be a start for Conor! Hopefully progress from that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 22, 2014, 05:25:57 PM
There is a problem with Downs development squads. Who picks the managers of these and is there a criteria for being able to coach our youth. Our underage teams are failing and the reason our older statesmen are staying on is because there is no youth there to take their places.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on July 23, 2014, 08:22:21 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on July 22, 2014, 02:15:14 PM
Looks like some sort of change is needed - most likely will mean James standing down but I think James can hold his head high with his record. If he stays on then he should continue to receive the support of the County.

There has been a massive overhaul of players over the past 5 years which will continue into 2015. We will probably see more Kilcoo players as I would expect the Johnstons (despite the controversy this year), to become more prominent as well as O'Hanlon. Younger/Alternative players would include a few of the Bryansford lads maybe, Danny Savage for one. Conor Doyle from Rostrevor is a good talent who consistently scores 3-4 points per game for a struggling side. These are the type of player we need to look to now in my eyes. I dont see the point in continuously calling on the like of Liam Doyle, Aidan Carr etc who no question have provided great moments for us but we need to move on now. James has started the regeneration, it is now up to him or the next man to continue the process.

surely Mc Garry from Warrenpoint is worth a look at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 26, 2014, 01:49:50 PM
Elk.
Explain if you would why he would 'surely worth a look'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 26, 2014, 04:21:13 PM
James confirmed today that he has stepped down.

Personally I thought he done an excellent job with what he had at his disposal. Getting us within a kick of the ball of an All Ireland title in 2010 was a huge achievement.

A great servant to Down over the past quarter of a century or so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 26, 2014, 04:39:31 PM
He probably over achieved the first few years, keeping us in div one as well for a couple of years. It probably is the right time to go all the same but it will be a challenging job for whoever takes it on. 2010 was the highlight, Ive always felt if Ambrose was fit that day he might have carried us over the line, he was in top form that year, but we will never know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 26, 2014, 04:52:32 PM
great servant for down both as a player and manager but it was time for change, the whole set up seemed to have gone stale. it will be a big challenge for whoever takes over. not many obvious candidates.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 26, 2014, 05:27:43 PM
James did an excellent job for us overall and he has probably picked the right time to go. People forget how far off the pace we were when he took over, and he brought us very close to the ultimate prize in an amazingly short period. Ardtole is right to mention Ambrose's injury, as he was in fastastic form as captain in 2010 and we would probably have won it if he had stayed fit. As it happened, Cork were able to bring on their captain, Canty, at the break, and he effectively turned the game.

Finding a replacement will not be easy, and there is unlikely to be the budget required to bring in a high profile outsider. The two most successful club coaches in Down, McCorry and Dawson, are both from other counties and not far off the veteran stage.

If we are going to look at young, hungry managers from inside Down, Stevie Poacher and Shane Mulholland deserve to be considered. Poacher would bring plenty of commitment and organisation while Mulholland worked with a range of county players while with Queen's.

It is not a bad time to be taking over as there will certainly not be the pressures associated with major expectations in the short term.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 26, 2014, 05:33:27 PM
Your taking the piss Mourne rover I hope
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 26, 2014, 05:35:04 PM
Would agree with the sentiments of previous posts.  James did very well but probably knew after the Kildare match that his time was up.

I'd like to see a bit of a clear out no matter who the new man is.  We are not going to win an ulster with current squad anyway and we should be able to consolidate in div 2 and start afresh.

If they don't get McCorry which I don't think they will there isn't much else within the county.  Is it time to look outside the county for the first time?  I don't see how Mulholland or Poucher can be considered at this stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 26, 2014, 05:48:38 PM
Pete McGrath had limited club experience and had only worked at county level with the minors when he was appointed. Many people said he was too young, but he did not do too badly in the end.

It is not impossible that we could bring in an outside manager, but the funds available will considerably limit our options. As no one is expecting us to achieve much anyway, why should we not give a chance to a younger coach ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 26, 2014, 05:56:31 PM
Pete achieved success with the minors though......

There appears to be plenty money available to pay the likes of Tally, AOR and Moyna over the years.  Maybe someone outside the county with no "supposed" family or club bias is the way forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 26, 2014, 06:34:14 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 26, 2014, 04:21:13 PM
James confirmed today that he has stepped down.

Personally I thought he done an excellent job with what he had at his disposal. Getting us within a kick of the ball of an All Ireland title in 2010 was a huge achievement.

A great servant to Down over the past quarter of a century or so.

+1 Owes us nothing. Good luck James. he'll be snapped up somewhere else and will have great success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 26, 2014, 07:27:20 PM
James tenure gave us some great days out and he should be applauded for where he took Down football too especially the unforgettable journey in 2010.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 26, 2014, 08:54:40 PM
We have always paid the going rate for our back-up staff but the manager's post has usually been regarded as a vocation rather than a job which offered an attractive package. While it is always possible that we could look seriously at external candidates, it would require a change of approach by the county board and probably the involvement of a major sponsor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 26, 2014, 09:41:44 PM
Thanks for all your commitment and inspiration James.
He was always a leader who was his own man; sometimes this was a problem but most times it was a strength. I'm not sure if he will want to get in to management again any time soon. As for his successor; clear that beyond Mc Corry and Dawson there are no obvious candidates. I'm assuming that previous managers will not be considered and there are a couple of Tyrone natives who could be considered; Mickey Donnelly did ok with the 'Bridge and Jody Gormley has inter-county experience, has done well with the Abbey but not so well with the Stone We have gone to the 91/94 well a couple of times and there's not much left. Conor Deegan has been mentioned but I'm not sure; he seems to be getting on OK with Dublin teams but I think he is a bit of a spoofer- listened to him on RTE radio last week and he talked plenty but actually said nothing of consequence. However, he could bring in good coaches/mentors but not sure if he would do if solely for expenses. I think people like Banty/Tally/J Mc Nulty/ D Cassidy/E Mc Eneaney will be mentioned but don't really see any of them as serious contenders. As our under-age teams have underachieved dramatically in recent years there is not a huge supply of incoming talent but we still have enough decent players to compete and, as noted, there shouldn't be huge expectations on the new man.If Clarke and Mooney return, and some of the players who left the panel (when it was clear that they were behind Eoin in the pecking order) come back, we could maintain div 2 and push for an Ulster. However, it will be interesting to see what happens to the more senior players; Benny was a James fan and, despite pledging another year last week, he might call it quits; Brendy Mc Veigh may also go but I would hope that Big Dan stays; we need him badly. Ambrose is still young enough and we know his potential but he needs an extended period of injury free football to regain his form of 2010.
One player who I hope to see central to our plans is Aidan Carr; it was a hard one for him to re-commit after Ross left but he did it and Daniel is faced with a similar challenge but I hope he stays on.
Anyway, back to where I started, and serious appreciation to James for giving us some great days out. My personal favourite was the destruction of Sligo in 2010 in Cavan; the performance that announced us as a serious team and built the platform for the Kerry and Kildare games which weren't too bad either. The comeback against Monaghan and the win in Celtic Park also deserve mentions along with league wins over Dublin and Donegal. While it was devastating to lose the final in 2010, it was probably the best performance of his reign, so you can walk away with head high James and reflect on a good job, well done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on July 26, 2014, 10:10:01 PM
James can leave with his Head held high. His successor will require experience in depth, an encyclopaedic knowledge of Down football, and a proven track record. In Down there is really only one candidate, a Man whom we treated shamsfully in the past, Pete Mc Grath. In terms of a CV any other candidate would be inferior.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 26, 2014, 10:20:39 PM
I have to say, well done Wee James. Not just for the stint given, during which Down football took genuine steps forward, but for having the good sense to move along at the right time.

Some of the things I liked best about McCartan. He changed the mentality of Down footballers towards the back door, right from the off.  He got a Down team to within 2 points of the AI champions last year, by having the balls and persuasion to systematically change how Down play football. He showed tremendous loyalty to players who proved that the red and black genuinely meant as much to them as it it did to him; and as a direct result the awful beatings to which we had become numb to throughout the noughties, largely became a thing of the past (save for a couple of exceptions). He took us to Croke Park in 2010 and while we fell just short, we took it on with gusto and distinction.

All told, he achieved expectations and then some. There may have some bizarre tendencies in his selection policies, but consider this: in the 5 years since he was appointed, our clubs have rarely given him cause to shake up his original thinking, by producing the players to do so. The players being kept out by Eoin, Liam, Ambrose and co are definitely not the class of 94.

It'll be a tough act to follow. Hopefully whoever comes in will have a long hard look at the Donegal game last year, and realise that Down can and will be coached to win at all costs. Our fans will complain either way, so don't worry about them.

Thanks James.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 26, 2014, 11:29:07 PM
May be cynical but I f**kin hate the widespread eulogising whenever a player/manager retires or steps down from a team.
FFS he stood down he didn't die.
Wee James did a very decent job in his tenure i agree but i think he also could have done better in some areas.

There are very few men capable of taking on the managers role within the county. Dawson and McCorry are the height of it. Poacher is a coach not a manager and to put it blunty he hasn't the temperament nor maturity for intercounty management. Laughable he is being mentioned. Pete McGrath is another i wouldn't have near it. Had his day and it should be left at that. Mulholland is another i find confusing. Can anyone explain the merits for installing him as intercounty management material? And don't mention QUB, that's a jobs-for-the-boys gig.

If county board can afford to shell out for Tally & McIvor, then Aidan O'Rourke and then Niall Moyna well then they should be taking that money and giving it to the 2 standout candidates who know Down football inside out and that is undoubtedly McCorry and Dawson. If they go outside the county then its anyone's guess who they would look at.
I think the heroes of 91-94 well has dried up or has already been tried and tested. An argument could be made for an outside appointment with no ties or bias.

Iv mentioned it previously and id repeat again that i think our development of young footballers throughout the county needs looked at again from schools to development squads. Definitely think there is room for improvement there in terms of the facilitation of our young players, the coaching of them, the coaching and management personnel and also the overall development and progression of youngsters fit to produce for senior intercounty. Watching some club action recently from Div1 and to be fair not a lot of our county men are standing out for their clubs, whether that's down to the better standard of your average club footballer i don't know, but id be expecting intercounty players to make a big impact regularly for his club on a Friday night. Danny Hughes, Ronan Murtagh, Benny Coulter, Ronan Sexton would have all stood out a mile regularly for their clubs and were easy identified as county men when in club action.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 27, 2014, 12:49:49 AM
Brick, we are not in a position to dismiss anyone's credentials at this stage, but, when you list Dawson as a stand-out candidate, are you taking into account his time in the Antrim job ? While McCorry has a good club record, do you think that an Armagh man really wants to switch to the Down post at this stage in his career ? We are going to face some tough choices, and there is much to be said for looking at younger options who are ready to take on a rebuilding programme.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on July 27, 2014, 01:32:24 PM
Thanks James for all the very good effort and so nearly bringing us to the promised land. We won't forget 2010 for a long while. For me the buzz of feeling our ship turn round was newbridge in feb 10 so I suppose it was karma that kildare also played a part in the final act.

Overall, ala Irish news, I'd give James a 7.5 / 10 during his tenure. Points deducted for the heavy defeats shipped in croke park and the eoin/Johnstons carry on.

If you write a book on it all James ill buy it.

Onwards we go but. First year in for a new manager tends to be best - so - ahem -  I hope brick wouldn't mind if I ask again for our exiles to take note.


Thanks again James and family.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on July 27, 2014, 02:53:37 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on July 27, 2014, 01:32:24 PM
Thanks James for all the very good effort and so nearly bringing us to the promised land. We won't forget 2010 for a long while. For me the buzz of feeling our ship turn round was newbridge in feb 10 so I suppose it was karma that kildare also played a part in the final act.

What a year that was. Easy to forget how good we were in the league as well, unbeaten until we were caught on the hop by Armagh in the final. Looking back on 2010, the most frustrating aspect is that we never managed to push on from there. Amazing to think that that was the last championship Ronan Murtagh ever played for Down. Peter Fitzpatrick and Paul McComiskey have only played in one championship each since then, both in 2011, playing peripheral roles. James Colgan hasn't featured for Down since then, John Clarke retired after the first game of the following championship, Damien Rafferty barely featured again, and 2011 was Martin Clarke's last year. I know there have been various factors behind each of these, injuries, emigration, disillusionment and the like, but it's amazing how quickly that team came apart.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 27, 2014, 04:38:00 PM
Any chance of a cheeky move for Tony McEntee?  I would have thought that Geezer has the Armagh job for the next number of years so this would be an opportunity for him to get into inter county management.

This is the kind of outside the box thinking we need to be looking at instead of looking at the past with Pete or with club managers who with all due respect have not had the success to warrant being mentioned for the job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on July 27, 2014, 08:57:01 PM
We'll done James but maybe time for a change and get things freshened up.  Time for an outsider. Perhaps Peter Canavan could be tempted. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on July 27, 2014, 09:29:36 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on July 26, 2014, 11:29:07 PM
May be cynical but I f**kin hate the widespread eulogising whenever a player/manager retires or steps down from a team.
FFS he stood down he didn't die.
Wee James did a very decent job in his tenure i agree but i think he also could have done better in some areas.

There are very few men capable of taking on the managers role within the county. Dawson and McCorry are the height of it. Poacher is a coach not a manager and to put it blunty he hasn't the temperament nor maturity for intercounty management. Laughable he is being mentioned. Pete McGrath is another i wouldn't have near it. Had his day and it should be left at that. Mulholland is another i find confusing. Can anyone explain the merits for installing him as intercounty management material? And don't mention QUB, that's a jobs-for-the-boys gig.

Brick I couldnt have put it better myself....

If county board can afford to shell out for Tally & McIvor, then Aidan O'Rourke and then Niall Moyna well then they should be taking that money and giving it to the 2 standout candidates who know Down football inside out and that is undoubtedly McCorry and Dawson. If they go outside the county then its anyone's guess who they would look at.
I think the heroes of 91-94 well has dried up or has already been tried and tested. An argument could be made for an outside appointment with no ties or bias.

Iv mentioned it previously and id repeat again that i think our development of young footballers throughout the county needs looked at again from schools to development squads. Definitely think there is room for improvement there in terms of the facilitation of our young players, the coaching of them, the coaching and management personnel and also the overall development and progression of youngsters fit to produce for senior intercounty. Watching some club action recently from Div1 and to be fair not a lot of our county men are standing out for their clubs, whether that's down to the better standard of your average club footballer i don't know, but id be expecting intercounty players to make a big impact regularly for his club on a Friday night. Danny Hughes, Ronan Murtagh, Benny Coulter, Ronan Sexton would have all stood out a mile regularly for their clubs and were easy identified as county men when in club action.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on July 28, 2014, 01:06:39 AM
Some post here taken from another thread on a similar topic


Quote from: DownFanatic on July 27, 2014, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: ck on July 27, 2014, 09:09:52 PM
So who are the front runners for the job? Anyone obvious?
James McCartan seems very popular considering he won nothing and his results were mixed to say the least. Down have been on the slide for a long time

McCorry and Dawson will be touted along with Tony McEntee but they will all cost and it is widely known that Down aren't in great nick financially.

Former minor manager Mark Turley would be an interesting choice with Mickey Linden possibly in the equation too.

What are you on about, obviously trying get John Morgan a gig back with Down?  Next thing you will be saying that Desy Kennedy and Martin Mc Garry should be selectors, top class stuff that would strike fear in any county.  As for Mickey, a great lad but just not cut out for it.

Dawson will not budge from Bryansford and his time with Antrim wasn't great so he will probably give it a while before he gives County football another go.
Mc Corry would be the best candidate but only if it is on his terms but I'm not sure if Down can give him what he wants.

Money
I'm not sure about James but previous managers received considerable, and I mean considerable expenses.  Recently the major expenses for the county 'back room' staff have been born by several well placed, supportive business men.  This should come as no surprise but everybody knows that we dont have 2d to rub together.

Future
We do not have the players at present.  The infrastructure is not there with development squads run on a joke and a prayer.  The trawl of the county, with meetings upon meetings to find another way forward rather than the 'Down Way' has proved to be ineffective.  We continually uses the goodwill of clubs for training while paying the Abbey a premium to use their facilities for the senior team.  We lack foresight, men with a plan, we lack ambition, we are going no where. 

Thanks James but I don't know where we go from here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 28, 2014, 08:48:36 AM
James did a good job overall but in the end we are back roughly only better than where he found us.

He turned around a demoralised team and made them believe. They played with enthusiasm and commitment. Before James the defending had been brutal. The defenders were left to do the job themselves without any support from the half forwards. In attack we had a team that almost looked frightened to shoot and only exercised one option – "Get it to Benny"

James changed that and we had a team that flooded back to help out. Our turnover and interception ability improved dramatically. And from that, we used it as a springboard to burst forward in attack. The ball was moved quickly through Hughes, Poland, MClarke to McComiskey, Coulter, JClarke.

But in the last year or two, things have gone almost full circle but with a sad twist. Now we again have a demoralised team lacking belief. Although this time we have a set of players that flood back to defend, but no-one is bursting forward after the turnover. They seem frightened again to take scoring chances, instead preferring the whole team to advance together and trying to overplay the ball to create a perfect shot. And sadly this year we once again ended up in a situation of "Get it to Benny"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 28, 2014, 10:17:13 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on July 28, 2014, 01:06:39 AM
Some post here taken from another thread on a similar topic


Quote from: DownFanatic on July 27, 2014, 09:59:14 PM
Quote from: ck on July 27, 2014, 09:09:52 PM
So who are the front runners for the job? Anyone obvious?
James McCartan seems very popular considering he won nothing and his results were mixed to say the least. Down have been on the slide for a long time

McCorry and Dawson will be touted along with Tony McEntee but they will all cost and it is widely known that Down aren't in great nick financially.

Former minor manager Mark Turley would be an interesting choice with Mickey Linden possibly in the equation too.

What are you on about, obviously trying get John Morgan a gig back with Down?  Next thing you will be saying that Desy Kennedy and Martin Mc Garry should be selectors, top class stuff that would strike fear in any county.  As for Mickey, a great lad but just not cut out for it.

Dawson will not budge from Bryansford and his time with Antrim wasn't great so he will probably give it a while before he gives County football another go.
Mc Corry would be the best candidate but only if it is on his terms but I'm not sure if Down can give him what he wants.

Money
I'm not sure about James but previous managers received considerable, and I mean considerable expenses.  Recently the major expenses for the county 'back room' staff have been born by several well placed, supportive business men.  This should come as no surprise but everybody knows that we dont have 2d to rub together.

Future
We do not have the players at present.  The infrastructure is not there with development squads run on a joke and a prayer.  The trawl of the county, with meetings upon meetings to find another way forward rather than the 'Down Way' has proved to be ineffective.  We continually uses the goodwill of clubs for training while paying the Abbey a premium to use their facilities for the senior team.  We lack foresight, men with a plan, we lack ambition, we are going no where. 

Thanks James but I don't know where we go from here.

Turley had five relatively successful years with the minors between 05 and 09. A large number of the current squad worked under him. He's definitely a viable option and has more clout in the reckoning stakes than some of the other names being bandied about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on July 28, 2014, 10:50:46 AM
I must be dreaming, surely this is a nightmare. Some of the suggestions here for the next Down Senior Management position are borderline insanity. Poacher? Mulholland? Linden? Turley? McGrath? Is this some form of joke. Where are the merits for these men? Just because they have managed teams doesn't mean they are actually any good at it. Poacher is close to relegating Ballyholland, Mulholland's minor team gave one of the most inept performances I've seen against Tyrone, Linden, a great man but recent management record hasn't been great, Turley has to my knowledge done nothing since 2009, and McGrath, it was over 20 years ago people, let's get over it.

This ludicrous point that we couldn't attract an outside manager is unfathomable. Does anyone expect that the County Board only pay Niall Moyna a nominal fee? I personally like the look of McEntee, a man who will expect only the highest standards and is clearly willing to make the tough decisions which will be need if a clearout is required.

As I said previously, McCorry is the ONLY man within Down Football capable of taking the role, and he would be my choice, and if not him, we MUST look outside of the county, to a young, enthusiastic manager with credentials.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on July 28, 2014, 11:21:19 AM
Agree with a lot that's been said, don't think we have a lot of outstanding candidates within the county at present, soley based on silverware Dawson and Mc Corry on paper should be front runners and know Down footballers very well. Mulholland won't be considered because he's with the minors for at least another year, Poacher is a coach/trainer not a manager, Linden had couple of seasons with drumgath and shamrocks, where is he now? Mark Turley I don't think can even be considered?? That minor team of 05 could have won an all ireland themselves. Regardless of what I or anyone else thinks the speculation will continue for weeks if not months and knowing the inept nature of our county board we will be still be left wondering at Halloween, think maybe now is the time to break with tradition and appoint an outsider with no baggage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 28, 2014, 11:49:52 AM
It's quite apparent that there are very few standout candidates within the county. The number of Down natives under the age of 60 who have taken teams to club championship titles, or have taken a Down team, a school team, or a university team to provincial honours, really wouldn't take too long to add up.

This in itself is a good reason to look outside the county.

But the overwhelming thrust on this thread of "we must look elsewhere" seems to be inflated by some bizarre fascination that things are done better elsewhere. I'm really not so sure. Take a while to read through the various county sections in our Local GAA Section, and all you'll find are people giving off about county boards and managers. Everyone in our game, or so it seems, who is not a player or is not Jim Gavin, does not actually have something close to a clue, and is in fact holding the players back, and therefore holding our games back.

So I'm not so sure if it's essential to look for a "baggage-free" man. Whoever it is, they'll be handed all the baggage they could ever need from the off,  whether they hail from Kilclief, Kilcar or Killiney.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 28, 2014, 02:02:09 PM
Quote from: speculative on July 28, 2014, 10:50:46 AM
I must be dreaming, surely this is a nightmare. Some of the suggestions here for the next Down Senior Management position are borderline insanity. Poacher? Mulholland? Linden? Turley? McGrath? Is this some form of joke. Where are the merits for these men? Just because they have managed teams doesn't mean they are actually any good at it. Poacher is close to relegating Ballyholland, Mulholland's minor team gave one of the most inept performances I've seen against Tyrone, Linden, a great man but recent management record hasn't been great, Turley has to my knowledge done nothing since 2009, and McGrath, it was over 20 years ago people, let's get over it.

This ludicrous point that we couldn't attract an outside manager is unfathomable. Does anyone expect that the County Board only pay Niall Moyna a nominal fee? I personally like the look of McEntee, a man who will expect only the highest standards and is clearly willing to make the tough decisions which will be need if a clearout is required.

As I said previously, McCorry is the ONLY man within Down Football capable of taking the role, and he would be my choice, and if not him, we MUST look outside of the county, to a young, enthusiastic manager with credentials.

Would tend to agree with this.  I dont really care about the baggage, its more the credentials that I would be interested in.  McCorry or McEntee for me, dont care that both are Armagh men if they are the best men for the job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on July 28, 2014, 04:45:30 PM
Would tend to agree with this.  I dont really care about the baggage, its more the credentials that I would be interested in.  McCorry or McEntee for me, dont care that both are Armagh men if they are the best men for the job.
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In fairness, Jim McCorry is as close to a Down man as many a born and bred man. He is managing within Down now for the guts of 20 years! I think we should go in house and I think McCorry would qualify under this - we wouldnt even have to go the Caravan route  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 28, 2014, 09:36:29 PM
There is no automatic secret to success and no guarantees that any particular manager will find the right solution. In fact maybe we are not even good enough in the first place. But you have to choose what at least looks like the best option. And McCorry certainly stands above the others in terms of team preparation and motivation. So for me he is the man we should want to try his luck.

But I was wondering is it really that simple? Kilcoo are a serious outfit. They are probably around top 10-15 teams in the country. They realistically fully believe they can win Down, Have only another maximum of two difficult games after that to finally win Ulster.

McCorry must seriously desire the chance to get that Ulster title and must believe they can. He could not be a Down manager if Kilcoo win Ulster as they would be involved in football after Christmas. Would McCorry really walk away from the chance to fulfil all his hard work?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on July 28, 2014, 10:49:08 PM
I don't think Kilcoo will be thinking of an Ulster title at this stage of the season, They must get out of their group first not to mention winning the Down Championship.
Burran, Bryansford the Bridge and a few others might have something to say.
Personally i think McCorry is head and shoulders above everyone else in Co Down in terms of training, selection, man management, professionalism and tactics.
If he does take the Down job it'll be a massive loss for us.

Kilcoo beat the Stone tonight 3:16 to 0:08. Haven't seen a black card for 3 months and we received 3 tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 30, 2014, 04:50:41 PM
Any truth in the rumours around South Down that Rostrevor played illegal players in the reserve championship at the weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on July 30, 2014, 07:45:24 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 30, 2014, 04:50:41 PM
Any truth in the rumours around South Down that Rostrevor played illegal players in the reserve championship at the weekend?

you are a deadly man jim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on July 30, 2014, 10:33:50 PM
Lads anyone know if this threat to void league games not played by August 31st is enforceable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on July 30, 2014, 11:12:46 PM
It's great to see the league getting run off quickly, but it's mad that some teams are going to have to play twice a week in the build up to championship games. Also, it has to be remembered that 4 games were played in the first 2 weeks. Think there has to be a better solution, but not sure what it is. The average club player seems to be the loser. Would the club players ( not managers) prefer to play on throughout the season without the county men?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on July 30, 2014, 11:28:24 PM
Not sure what the players would think about playing without County players but this seems a bit mad players want to play every week but some teams will play 7 games in August and if they don't get out of the group stage of the championship that's their season over
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 30, 2014, 11:35:39 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 30, 2014, 04:50:41 PM
Any truth in the rumours around South Down that Rostrevor played illegal players in the reserve championship at the weekend?

Would you like to expand on what you have heard in these 'rumours'? I am interested that you used the word players, plural, maybe you could shed some light?

Anyway in a word the answer to the question is no.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 31, 2014, 08:49:40 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 30, 2014, 11:35:39 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 30, 2014, 04:50:41 PM
Any truth in the rumours around South Down that Rostrevor played illegal players in the reserve championship at the weekend?

Would you like to expand on what you have heard in these 'rumours'? I am interested that you used the word players, plural, maybe you could shed some light?

Anyway in a word the answer to the question is no.

Hey dont shoot the messenger man. Im only going  by what a Clonduff man told me on site yesterday. Did your full forward not play senior championship last season. I was under the impression you cannot be downgradd two levels? I could be wrong?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 31, 2014, 10:11:43 AM
Quote from: downjim on July 31, 2014, 08:49:40 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 30, 2014, 11:35:39 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 30, 2014, 04:50:41 PM
Any truth in the rumours around South Down that Rostrevor played illegal players in the reserve championship at the weekend?

Would you like to expand on what you have heard in these 'rumours'? I am interested that you used the word players, plural, maybe you could shed some light?

Anyway in a word the answer to the question is no.

Hey dont shoot the messenger man. Im only going  by what a Clonduff man told me on site yesterday. Did your full forward not play senior championship last season. I was under the impression you cannot be downgradd two levels? I could be wrong?

Was the message players or player, singular or plural? Get it right will you before you ask and or accuse. Any player who played for our thirds was totally legitimate in the eyes of the county board end of story.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 31, 2014, 02:45:26 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 31, 2014, 10:11:43 AM
Quote from: downjim on July 31, 2014, 08:49:40 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 30, 2014, 11:35:39 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 30, 2014, 04:50:41 PM
Any truth in the rumours around South Down that Rostrevor played illegal players in the reserve championship at the weekend?

Would you like to expand on what you have heard in these 'rumours'? I am interested that you used the word players, plural, maybe you could shed some light?

Anyway in a word the answer to the question is no.

Hey dont shoot the messenger man. Im only going  by what a Clonduff man told me on site yesterday. Did your full forward not play senior championship last season. I was under the impression you cannot be downgradd two levels? I could be wrong?

Was the message players or player, singular or plural? Get it right will you before you ask and or accuse. Any player who played for our thirds was totally legitimate in the eyes of the county board end of story.
Going by your tone there is a wee problem though ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 31, 2014, 02:50:51 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 31, 2014, 02:45:26 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 31, 2014, 10:11:43 AM
Quote from: downjim on July 31, 2014, 08:49:40 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 30, 2014, 11:35:39 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 30, 2014, 04:50:41 PM
Any truth in the rumours around South Down that Rostrevor played illegal players in the reserve championship at the weekend?

Would you like to expand on what you have heard in these 'rumours'? I am interested that you used the word players, plural, maybe you could shed some light?

Anyway in a word the answer to the question is no.

Hey dont shoot the messenger man. Im only going  by what a Clonduff man told me on site yesterday. Did your full forward not play senior championship last season. I was under the impression you cannot be downgradd two levels? I could be wrong?

Was the message players or player, singular or plural? Get it right will you before you ask and or accuse. Any player who played for our thirds was totally legitimate in the eyes of the county board end of story.
Going by your tone there is a wee problem though ??

My tone is with you, due to you being very vague in your questioning, not to do with the subject. There is no problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 31, 2014, 03:06:09 PM
Supersub, don't upset yourself at what is probably a wind up. And just to be devil's advocate, (let's not rule out it is someone winding Downjim up.

But I am interested to know what the rules are. can anyone enlighten us to player eligibility once they have played senior championship football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 31, 2014, 03:13:44 PM
Check Downgaa.net. it says Rostrevor/kilcoo play Byransford. I thought it was a wind up but obviously not. Super sub your in grumpy form today. Do you need a hug??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 31, 2014, 03:48:21 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 31, 2014, 03:06:09 PM
Supersub, don't upset yourself at what is probably a wind up. And just to be devil's advocate, (let's not rule out it is someone winding Downjim up.

But I am interested to know what the rules are. can anyone enlighten us to player eligibility once they have played senior championship football?

Rules them out of reserve championship football later that year or in the following year. For example we played Castlewellan in the 1st round of the  SFC this year  and a few weeks later we played Burren in the PRFC. Anyone who played against Castlewellan wasn't allowed to play against Burren PLUS will not be eligible to play PRFC or RFC in 2015. The round robin SFC is playing havoc with Reserve championship squads in medium to smaller clubs across the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 31, 2014, 04:03:24 PM
Far from it Downjim, how ironic, if only you knew!

Yes the round robin SFC has had an impact on the reserve championships which is why the regrading process was brought in this year.

Downjim seemed to think there were players plural who were illegally playing but has failed to name them which is what I was getting at. If more info was forthcoming it would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 31, 2014, 04:07:27 PM
I apologise it is one player John Fegan.he played senior football last year.  And from what I was told you can't be regraded two levels in one season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on August 02, 2014, 08:31:53 AM
i see Clan Na Banna slipped up last night after beating CPN last week to top the table as they travelled to Drumgath and came away with a draw as CPN themselves had an easy home win, and Mayobridge lost top spot in Div.1 as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 02, 2014, 12:23:00 PM
Dromara gained promotion to division two last night.
By my reckoning they've been in the basement division for the past 12 years.
Drumaness are also up as champions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on August 02, 2014, 07:20:25 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 02, 2014, 12:23:00 PM
Dromara gained promotion to division two last night.
By my reckoning they've been in the basement division for the past 12 years.
Drumaness are also up as champions.
Fair play Dromara they tried for years to get out of the old division 4 and from memory were not in favour of the new 3 league format
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on August 02, 2014, 08:41:42 PM
Anybody on here was at the Glenn Longstone game last night thought the ref had a shocker give the home team very little think the Stone players were embarrassed by some of the decisions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 02, 2014, 09:19:47 PM
I wasn't at that game but have seen quite a few Div 1 & 2 games and none of the referees I have seen would inspire me with confidence that a. they know what they are doing or b. have any clue about implementing the new rules from Croke Park.  Quite a few of them are so up themselves its not funny, some started out decent enough but have now ended up full of themselves, some are blatant cheats and may have a few pound on a game, many are just incompetent beyond belief and just don't have a clue about new or old rules, a few are just ok.  They are a necessary evil and we cannot do without them, I just wish many of them were better than they are.

BTW, what happened Supersubs post in reply to DimJim the other day where he said that the County Board had given permission for John Fegan to play in the Reserve Championship?  It seems to have gone now for some reason.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on August 02, 2014, 11:23:16 PM
Good summery Lineball the ref last night moved the ball 10 meters forward when one of the Glenn management team questioned a decision don't think that's in the rules they are a law onto themselves games are being decided by guys who are answerable to no one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 03, 2014, 09:19:28 AM
Quote from: gaamann on August 02, 2014, 08:41:42 PM
Anybody on here was at the Glenn Longstone game last night thought the ref had a shocker give the home team very little think the Stone players were embarrassed by some of the decisions

The tackle that started the row was an absolute disgrace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 03, 2014, 06:22:53 PM
Ballyholland win a game by playing attacking football shocker!!!! Harps beat L'Island by 6 today to ease relegation worries.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 04, 2014, 09:52:52 AM
Quote from: gaamann on August 02, 2014, 11:23:16 PM
Good summery Lineball the ref last night moved the ball 10 meters forward when one of the Glenn management team questioned a decision don't think that's in the rules they are a law onto themselves games are being decided by guys who are answerable to no one

A certain high profile Antrim hurling referee moved a ball forward against us for what a spectator said, I couldn't believe it.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 04, 2014, 10:02:02 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 02, 2014, 09:19:47 PM
I wasn't at that game but have seen quite a few Div 1 & 2 games and none of the referees I have seen would inspire me with confidence that a. they know what they are doing or b. have any clue about implementing the new rules from Croke Park.  Quite a few of them are so up themselves its not funny, some started out decent enough but have now ended up full of themselves, some are blatant cheats and may have a few pound on a game, many are just incompetent beyond belief and just don't have a clue about new or old rules, a few are just ok.  They are a necessary evil and we cannot do without them, I just wish many of them were better than they are.

BTW, what happened Supersubs post in reply to DimJim the other day where he said that the County Board had given permission for John Fegan to play in the Reserve Championship?  It seems to have gone now for some reason.

Just to clarify this is still the case - I just couldn't be bothered with any more forward and back nonsense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on August 04, 2014, 12:19:22 PM
As far as l am aware supersub he got permission to play in the premier reserve championship as it says on the e mail received by all clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 04, 2014, 03:00:38 PM
Indeed but as far as I'm aware that wasn't the final correspondence on the matter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 04, 2014, 10:27:25 PM
Very  entertaining game in Castlewellan  tonight with the Town winning 7-12 to Longstone's 4-13. Very open game played in a sporting manner. No one for those like defensive football  but definitely one for those who like to see scores.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on August 04, 2014, 10:52:57 PM
Poucher wouldn't like to hear scores like that. I know what I would rather watch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on August 05, 2014, 03:19:29 PM
Anyone know why the county board hasn't given any time or venue for any of the Junior Championship Games
They had the venues ad times for both Intermediate & Senior Championship games sorted over 2/3 weeks ago and even tho all 3 championships have games over the same weekend (14th-18th augest) junior championship still don't know were there game will be played
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 05, 2014, 04:08:59 PM
I see Kilcoo are back in the reserve championship.  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on August 05, 2014, 04:14:42 PM
Were did you see that downjim ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 05, 2014, 04:49:08 PM
Downgaa.netftp://
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 06, 2014, 01:57:12 PM
 ::) indeed. A strange situation all round.

Just to add the match is refixed, Kilcoo are not back in at the expense of the opposition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 06, 2014, 11:55:34 PM
Rules state that the two teams should have been put out and Byransford been put through to the final. A strange decision indeed.Is Fegan allowed to play?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 07, 2014, 12:53:11 AM
Do they aye. Well the county board stated John Fegan could play before the start of the competition so you're rule book isn't the only thing not straightforward in this one. A strange situation as I said. No obviously he is not allowed to play RFC now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 07, 2014, 06:53:47 AM
If the county board give him permission, then what was the problem here? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 07, 2014, 09:22:32 AM
Apparently they shouldn't have so now Kilcoo get a chance to play the game again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on August 07, 2014, 11:01:55 PM
Apparently??? Of course they shouldn't have gave him permission to play. The lad was playing senior Championship last season and was somehow dropped two grades!
It wouldn't have been so noticeable had he not scored 1.07 and we happened to be beat by 10 points.
I think the rules state that the offending team are thrown out of the competition and the player concerned gets a 3 month ban.
In this case Rostrevor are clearly not to blame as its a county board mistake and a replay without Fegan is a fair outcome.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on August 09, 2014, 12:02:04 AM
Quote from County Board email sent about regrading;
Does PR not mean Premier Reserve - totally clubs fault.

Rostrevor   Collie Clerkin
Ritchie Reynolds
Declan Magee
John Fegan to PR
Fintan McBreen to Reserve   
   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 10, 2014, 12:02:58 PM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on August 09, 2014, 12:02:04 AM
Quote from County Board email sent about regrading;
Does PR not mean Premier Reserve - totally clubs fault.

Rostrevor   Collie Clerkin
Ritchie Reynolds
Declan Magee
John Fegan to PR
Fintan McBreen to Reserve

Please do not comment on matters which you do not know the full facts about. As I have stated before this was NOT the last correspondence on the matter between the County Board and the club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 10, 2014, 09:21:39 PM
I haven't commented on the John Fegan saga but I have to say Rostrevor where not at fault here and a serious judgement call got wrong by a high profile county board member was the problem. John was reason the reds won the first day, as tonight's result proved when kilcoo deservedly won 1-10 to 1-3.
I have to admitt The Rostevor people where totally understanding on the matter and they only done what they thought was official to begin with.
An admistrative error that should never have happened.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 10, 2014, 10:11:57 PM
MDG I knew you would post at some point with a sensible and well informed view on the situation. It was an admin error indeed and I am glad people have heard the proper story from someone outside Rostrevor club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on August 10, 2014, 10:42:47 PM
While on the subject of player eligibility for the premier reserve and reserve championships,is it time for a change in the rules.with each club in the county now getting a minimum of three championship games,and therefore using more players,which rules them out of reserve championship the next season,more and more clubs are struggling to field in the championship.even before the championship went the way of group stages there were teams playing fellas who would be well recognised as senior but had been injured the year before so didn't play senior championship.although technically within the rules,it isn't really in the right spirit.reserve players who play all year are either losing their position for the biggest game of their season or else end up marking an opposition player well above their standard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on August 11, 2014, 10:53:17 AM
Fantastic fare in Hilltown yesterday in PRFC semi finals - both games ending in a draw with huge effort from all teams in testing conditions.
It is in games like these where the true passion of the GAA is on show. To all but those involved these were irrelevant games - but to those involved, the games were the be all and end all. Great stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downexile1 on August 12, 2014, 08:47:18 PM
Great to see the County Board doing their bit again for hurling in the County. A Down Junior hurling championship match played last night between Shamrocks and Ballela at a football club (Mayobridge) just doesnt work. Nothing against Mayobridge club itself they have great facilities, although when a U-14 match gets played on the main pitch and an adult championship match gets shipped over to the training pitch which has no lines markings clear on pitch and no flags it is clear County Board has not got a clue and must have their head in the clouds! Although the standard wouldnt be of the highest quality these players put the same amount of effort and commitment as any GAA team. A lot of their time (CB)must be took up with dealing with the Senior football team, which is going nowhere fast which is a shame as the County hurlers have recently brought All Ireland silverware to the County. Also I believe the Down ladies football team got treated magnificently to post match meal of sandwiches after their historic Ulster Final win. Just a bit of common sense lacking at the top, sort it out folks and go have a look at how other County Boards are running their successful counties and clubs!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on August 13, 2014, 03:41:51 PM
FROM THE HOGAN STAND WEBSITE
Cross trio in Down frame
13 August 2014

Crossmaglen's Tony McEntee and Gareth O'Neill. INPHO
The All-Ireland winning Crossmaglen management trio of Gareth O'Neill, Tony McEntee and Seamie McGeown are willing to talk to Down chiefs about the senior football management vacancy.

The trio guided the famed Armagh club to back-to-back All-Ireland titles and O'Neill revealed they would be interested in sitting down with Mourne County officials.

"If the Down County Board wanted to talk to us then we'd sit down and have a conversation with them," he confirmed to the Irish News.

"At the same time, I can't talk for Tony. There's three people in the management team - myself, Tony and Seamie McGeown - and as a group we haven't discussed whether we'd be interested or not.

"We all have young families and it's a huge commitment to take on a county team.

"But I'm sure that if the Down County Board wanted to talk to us, we'd talk to them. It's manners - if you're asked a question then you go and answer it.

"If they want to offer us an interview, that's fair enough, we'll go and talk to them, but when we discuss it we might find that it's not for us as this stage.

"If they want to have a discussion then come and invite us in and have a talk with us and we'll see what happens."

Former Armagh manager Jim McCorry remains the favourite to replace James McCartan.

QUESTION IS WOULD YOU WANT THEM AS MANAGERS??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 13, 2014, 04:34:02 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 13, 2014, 07:43:34 PM
Would be a YES from me as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 13, 2014, 08:42:27 PM
if the new management team can bring down back to the top table, It wouldn't matter to me where they're from.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 13, 2014, 10:04:20 PM
id have them on board. they are proven winners
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 13, 2014, 10:22:58 PM
Quote from: downexile1 on August 12, 2014, 08:47:18 PM
Great to see the County Board doing their bit again for hurling in the County. A Down Junior hurling championship match played last night between Shamrocks and Ballela at a football club (Mayobridge) just doesnt work. Nothing against Mayobridge club itself they have great facilities, although when a U-14 match gets played on the main pitch and an adult championship match gets shipped over to the training pitch which has no lines markings clear on pitch and no flags it is clear County Board has not got a clue and must have their head in the clouds! Although the standard wouldnt be of the highest quality these players put the same amount of effort and commitment as any GAA team. A lot of their time (CB)must be took up with dealing with the Senior football team, which is going nowhere fast which is a shame as the County hurlers have recently brought All Ireland silverware to the County. Also I believe the Down ladies football team got treated magnificently to post match meal of sandwiches after their historic Ulster Final win. Just a bit of common sense lacking at the top, sort it out folks and go have a look at how other County Boards are running their successful counties and clubs!!


It was an under 14 championship match which we won with ease, because it was that one sided , I seen a bit of the Hurley and the pitch was in excellent condition for the time of year and the weather we had. Hurling is a minority sport in the county and I personally think the hurlers gets looked after well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 13, 2014, 11:40:45 PM
Downjim,  the game is called hurling and not hurley. It is reasonable to expect that a championship match involving adult players at any level in either code should be staged on the main available pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 13, 2014, 11:49:36 PM
Mayobridge owns the fields and the footballers of Mayobridge were entitled to host Burren in their main field. It was a championship game!
Their training field is one of the best surfaces in the county and is used for plenty of league and championship games over the year. "Hurling" men yapping about anything as usual. I'm sure it won't be long to we get another east Down football bias in the county post as well .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 14, 2014, 12:10:31 AM
The post was about respect, rather than any particular code or geographical area, but at least you now know the actual name of the game you wish to discuss.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 14, 2014, 09:12:09 AM
Quote from: downjim on August 13, 2014, 10:22:58 PM
Quote from: downexile1 on August 12, 2014, 08:47:18 PM
Great to see the County Board doing their bit again for hurling in the County. A Down Junior hurling championship match played last night between Shamrocks and Ballela at a football club (Mayobridge) just doesnt work. Nothing against Mayobridge club itself they have great facilities, although when a U-14 match gets played on the main pitch and an adult championship match gets shipped over to the training pitch which has no lines markings clear on pitch and no flags it is clear County Board has not got a clue and must have their head in the clouds! Although the standard wouldnt be of the highest quality these players put the same amount of effort and commitment as any GAA team. A lot of their time (CB)must be took up with dealing with the Senior football team, which is going nowhere fast which is a shame as the County hurlers have recently brought All Ireland silverware to the County. Also I believe the Down ladies football team got treated magnificently to post match meal of sandwiches after their historic Ulster Final win. Just a bit of common sense lacking at the top, sort it out folks and go have a look at how other County Boards are running their successful counties and clubs!!


It was an under 14 championship match which we won with ease, because it was that one sided , I seen a bit of the Hurley and the pitch was in excellent condition for the time of year and the weather we had. Hurling is a minority sport in the county and I personally think the hurlers gets looked after well.

What hurlers? The county teams or clubs hurlers?

IMHO The senior county hurlers get treated very well in terms of resources available to them, but the average club hurler gets the shitty end of the stick in Down with very sporadic and low volume fixtures.
Even with the haphazard Ulster league intermingled with it the average adult club hurler in Down would be looking at 10 to 15 games in a year, a club footballer will be looking at almost twice this with extended leagues and round robin championships, how is that conducive to the development of the game?

FWIW,
If the pitch was the proper size and in a playable condition for hurling, I wouldn't be overly concerned if its called a training pitch or not, however it should be properly marked out and flags available, if not the referee should have jumped back into his car and drove home along with both teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 14, 2014, 10:26:18 AM
We didnt even know the match was happening til both teams turned up at the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downexile1 on August 14, 2014, 11:36:14 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 14, 2014, 10:26:18 AM
We didnt even know the match was happening til both teams turned up at the field.

My point exactly, it was not me having a go at Mayobridge in any shape or form! As I said great club and great facilities. The pitch played on for the hurling was indeed suitable for football but too long for hurling and was not marked out or flagged. As its a football club they dont need to worry about cutting pitch tight for hurling. Downjim im not having a rant its just a little bit of common sense we are looking for, and yes couldnt agree more that hurling is a minority sport in the county, so it shouldnt take much to keep the hurling man happy especially for adult championship matches!!! And having Down hurlers travel the whole way to Newry to play on a bog standard pitch to play County home matches is not hurlers being well looked after!Especially when their are clubs in Ards could host these matches, with better surfaces and get slightly larger attendances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 14, 2014, 11:48:06 AM
Quote from: bridgegael on August 14, 2014, 10:26:18 AM
We didnt even know the match was happening til both teams turned up at the field.

Which all but supports downexiles point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on August 15, 2014, 12:43:44 PM
Was at the Drumgath v Ballyholland game last night. The standard of football was very low and Drumgath very nearly upset the odds and would have been well worth a win. The poor crowd at this game and the game which preceded it is another example of this round robin type championship is not working. There is absolutely no edge to matches now, the crowds are as bad as league games and it in no way improves footballers for county football which was one of the reasons for this system being adopted. The strong teams will continue to progress to knockout stages and the odd upset in round robin is worthless. Will we ever revert back to the old knockout system, decrease leagues to 10 or 12 teams and go back to having regular competitive football for clubs in the county or will we continue to limit the type of footballers produced for county level and feed the county with money making schemes called championship that are not working. Football used to be exciting in our county but for whatever reason the excitement has all but gone bar a few ripples now and again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 15, 2014, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: downup on August 15, 2014, 12:43:44 PM
Was at the Drumgath v Ballyholland game last night. The standard of football was very low and Drumgath very nearly upset the odds and would have been well worth a win. The poor crowd at this game and the game which preceded it is another example of this round robin type championship is not working. There is absolutely no edge to matches now, the crowds are as bad as league games and it in no way improves footballers for county football which was one of the reasons for this system being adopted. The strong teams will continue to progress to knockout stages and the odd upset in round robin is worthless. Will we ever revert back to the old knockout system, decrease leagues to 10 or 12 teams and go back to having regular competitive football for clubs in the county or will we continue to limit the type of footballers produced for county level and feed the county with money making schemes called championship that are not working. Football used to be exciting in our county but for whatever reason the excitement has all but gone bar a few ripples now and again.

I don't honestly believe the changes in football structures were an attempt at money-making schemes.

The genesis of these things comes from the democratic system in GAA, where any club can come up with a proposal, and if it's backed, it's then implemented.

So if a club feels the current systems are (for whatever reason) failing them, then they have an opportunity to make it change for everyone. Ultimately there is a paradox created by any competitive system, in that only one team can win, which by virtue means everyone else is a loser, and in turn unsettles many of those clubs.

The thing is - whether we like to admit it or not - there's a spirit of tinkering in the GAA, a spirit of "the grass is always greener".

This (unfortunately in my mind) means proposals like those that brought the current league and championship structures, will always tend to get through. I've no doubt that we'll go back to the old league structures in a few years time, before reverting back to the current ones, a few years after that again.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 15, 2014, 01:07:34 PM
Championship really needs to go back to the old format.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 15, 2014, 01:42:15 PM
Clubs overwhelmingly voted for the changes in championship/league structure at county board level and so are responsible.

The JFC is on a knockout basis this season and anyone involved in this will tell you that the buzz before a one off "do or die" game is far greater than that of preparing for a group stage game.

The fact that we changed our system shows that we are generally open to alterations which is a good thing.

Best system in my opinion is Div 1, 2, 3 and 4 with 10 teams in 1 and 2 and 12 in 3 and 4. Two way leagues with straight knockout championships. Guarantees teams in 1 and 2 at least 19 games and teams in 3 and 4 a minimum of 23 games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 15, 2014, 01:43:54 PM
These league & championship structures are in place until end of next season at least, correct?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 15, 2014, 01:48:44 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 15, 2014, 01:43:54 PM
These league & championship structures are in place until end of next season at least, correct?

Yep, end of. 2015 I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on August 15, 2014, 05:39:20 PM
Does anyone know if Destination Newry are doing any streaming of the club championships this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on August 15, 2014, 06:34:50 PM
Prefer knockout myself.

Possible compromise in backdoor/qualifiers to give teams a second chance. Retain some of the edge but give clubs second bite of the cherry.

Groups stages are pish I think everyone will agree.

Think the league could possibly change. If not back to four Divisions, to at least adjust numbers in each.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 16, 2014, 07:58:11 PM
Anyone else having trouble getting onto the Down website?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 16, 2014, 08:01:40 PM
I've been trying to get on for a few days now but no joy.

TBH, apart for fixtures and results there is nothing else on it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 16, 2014, 08:46:55 PM
Taken from Down Facebook page

Official Down GAA @OfficialDownGAA  ·  2h
Trocaire Down IFC results from RGU Downpatrick

St John's 2-12 V 1-7 Teconnaught
Carryduff 0-9 V 1-10 Saul


Official Down GAA @OfficialDownGAA  ·  1m
Morgan Fuels Down SFC halftime from Castlewellan

Mayobridge 2.06 Tullylish 1.01


Well done to the Down ladies
Down march on to the All Ireland Semi Finals! Down 2-14 Sligo 3-10 #AnDunAbu!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on August 16, 2014, 10:42:34 PM
Down website has been off all evening. Like most people I only use it for fixtures and results. Maybe someone reading this can sort it out, please
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 17, 2014, 10:25:24 AM
Has been off for a few days, have been trying to see who the referee for Rostrevor v Kilcoo is but can't get on!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on August 17, 2014, 01:28:43 PM
Here's an alternative link to the Down website. Let me know if it works for you.

http://people.gaa.ie/club/down/# (http://people.gaa.ie/club/down/#)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on August 17, 2014, 02:33:25 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on August 17, 2014, 01:28:43 PM
Here's an alternative link to the Down website. Let me know if it works for you.

http://people.gaa.ie/club/down/# (http://people.gaa.ie/club/down/#)
yes working, thanks Lecale2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 17, 2014, 09:17:48 PM
Marty Clarke did not feature in the last game for Collingwood reserves, even though he is not on the club's injury list. Collingwood supporters have gone on Twitter to ask what is happening, with one suggesting that he may have gone home. His time at Collingwood would appear to be up, as he has been completely out of the first team picture throughout what has been a distastrous season for the club, although he could switch to another AFL outfit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 18, 2014, 08:50:32 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 17, 2014, 09:17:48 PM
Marty Clarke did not feature in the last game for Collingwood reserves, even though he is not on the club's injury list. Collingwood supporters have gone on Twitter to ask what is happening, with one suggesting that he may have gone home. His time at Collingwood would appear to be up, as he has been completely out of the first team picture throughout what has been a disastrous season for the club, although he could switch to another AFL outfit.

I've heard a bit of talk surrounding Marty and 3 or 4 others returning for An Ríocht for the promotion playoff game(Should they win their final game)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 18, 2014, 11:26:35 AM
Any word on who the others are? Would be interesting..would they stick around next year if they were to win?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on August 18, 2014, 12:27:47 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 17, 2014, 09:17:48 PM
Marty Clarke did not feature in the last game for Collingwood reserves, even though he is not on the club's injury list. Collingwood supporters have gone on Twitter to ask what is happening, with one suggesting that he may have gone home. His time at Collingwood would appear to be up, as he has been completely out of the first team picture throughout what has been a distastrous season for the club, although he could switch to another AFL outfit.

My thread is working. You can all thank me later. Hopefully.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 18, 2014, 12:54:51 PM
Watched the double header in Newry last night. Both matches were complete mis-matches with both Kilcoo and Warrenpoint being to strong for Rostrevor and Bredagh. Both games over as a contest by half time. The sooner the groups are completed and we get into the championship knockout stages the better, we might then see some good competitive matches were the outcome is not a forgone conclusion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 18, 2014, 06:59:57 PM
Quote from: general on August 18, 2014, 08:50:32 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 17, 2014, 09:17:48 PM
Marty Clarke did not feature in the last game for Collingwood reserves, even though he is not on the club's injury list. Collingwood supporters have gone on Twitter to ask what is happening, with one suggesting that he may have gone home. His time at Collingwood would appear to be up, as he has been completely out of the first team picture throughout what has been a disastrous season for the club, although he could switch to another AFL outfit.

I've heard a bit of talk surrounding Marty and 3 or 4 others returning for An Ríocht for the promotion playoff game(Should they win their final game)
marty is home this week 'apparently' and 'apparently' home for good. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on August 18, 2014, 08:34:20 PM
DONT get too excited .we need 15  martys. Do you think he would get his place on the present Dublin side?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 18, 2014, 10:45:45 PM
The only think good about the current championship format is the money to be made off from Paddypower with all the one sided matches there was.

Also heard the same rumour bout Marty coming home and staying home.  Hopefully Mooney does the same.  That would be 2/3rds of the half forward line for McCurry!!
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Post by: supersub on August 19, 2014, 10:01:37 AM
You must have put a lot of cash on - prices were terrible!! Burren 1/33?
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Post by: Town Gael on August 19, 2014, 11:14:08 AM
Can't  believe the county board have put fixtures on this Sunday at the same time as the All-Ireland semi-final between Mayo and Kerry. Now I'm torn between supporting my club in what should be a very one sided and thus boring game or staying at home and hoping for a cracker on the TV. As if the crowds haven't been poor enough for the championship games so far this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on August 19, 2014, 02:42:30 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 18, 2014, 06:59:57 PM
Quote from: general on August 18, 2014, 08:50:32 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 17, 2014, 09:17:48 PM
Marty Clarke did not feature in the last game for Collingwood reserves, even though he is not on the club's injury list. Collingwood supporters have gone on Twitter to ask what is happening, with one suggesting that he may have gone home. His time at Collingwood would appear to be up, as he has been completely out of the first team picture throughout what has been a disastrous season for the club, although he could switch to another AFL outfit.

I've heard a bit of talk surrounding Marty and 3 or 4 others returning for An Ríocht for the promotion playoff game(Should they win their final game)
marty is home this week 'apparently' and 'apparently' home for good. ;)

Well certainly not this week anyway, and he is still part of the first team training:

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2014-08-19/photos-best-of-tuesday-training

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Post by: Aristo 60 on August 19, 2014, 03:08:13 PM
Aye but ye can see Cranfield Beach and the Dunavil Road is on his mind there  ;)
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Post by: southdown on August 19, 2014, 03:59:38 PM
Is there really anything in these rumours? Spill the beans, lots of posters love "being in the know" on here....he would be a huge boost for next season.
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Post by: downjim on August 20, 2014, 02:31:01 PM
Any truth in the rumours that it's McCorrys and announcement won't be made to after kilcoo finish their Down campaign which will probably be October.
He deserves his chance  and hopefully he will add some steel into our defence.
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Post by: general on August 20, 2014, 02:44:02 PM
Quote from: southdown on August 19, 2014, 03:59:38 PM
Is there really anything in these rumours? Spill the beans, lots of posters love "being in the know" on here....he would be a huge boost for next season.

big write-up in the back of the Newry reporter yesterday about him & Mooney being back for 2015
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on August 20, 2014, 03:57:53 PM
Quote from: lucan on August 18, 2014, 08:34:20 PM
DONT get too excited .we need 15  martys. Do you think he would get his place on the present Dublin side?

We don't need 15 martys. That is crazy talk. We only need about 3. Or 4. Tops.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on August 20, 2014, 06:50:56 PM
Ask yourself a question. How many of our present team judged on this years performance [admittedly under wee jame;s management]would get their place on any of the top 10 teams in the32? Where do we come in Ulster from 1` to 9  .I support my county but i am realistic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on August 21, 2014, 09:09:18 AM
Quote from: lucan on August 20, 2014, 06:50:56 PM
Ask yourself a question. How many of our present team judged on this years performance [admittedly under wee jame;s management]would get their place on any of the top 10 teams in the32? Where do we come in Ulster from 1` to 9  .I support my county but i am realistic.

Ask a better question.

One Marty at centre half forward, another at centre half back, a third the sweeper and the fourth, licence to roam.

That is all.

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Post by: NP 76 on August 21, 2014, 09:14:47 AM
One Marty kicking the ball in to the space to mooney and Mc comiskey would be a massive help
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Post by: thewobbler on August 21, 2014, 09:17:44 AM
Quote from: lucan on August 20, 2014, 06:50:56 PM
Ask yourself a question. How many of our present team judged on this years performance [admittedly under wee jame;s management]would get their place on any of the top 10 teams in the32? Where do we come in Ulster from 1` to 9  .I support my county but i am realistic.

If you'd have asked yourself the same question at the end of 2009, you'd have said Benny Coulter and that's it. A year later and 7 of them were nominated for All Stars.

There can be a thin line between a county player and a top county player. Injuries and form contribute (as of course does natural ability), but momentum is a major part too.
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Post by: lucan on August 21, 2014, 11:52:43 AM
To NP 76 and The Wobbler .T he under-lying problem with the present team is not an ability issue but a very obvious lack of physicality In relation to the 1991 men Blaney Carr O;rourke Kelly Higgins to name just a few our present squad can;t mix it Look how Meath and Kildare ran trough them in the last quarters. Even though they were just beaten look how Armagh walked into Donegal.
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Post by: ranch on August 21, 2014, 04:45:47 PM
Is the Glenn v Bryansford game tonight? Where's it being played?
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Post by: John Martin on August 21, 2014, 04:57:39 PM
Quote from: ranch on August 21, 2014, 04:45:47 PM
Is the Glenn v Bryansford game tonight? Where's it being played?

Yes, tonight at 8:30 in newry.
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Post by: general on August 21, 2014, 04:59:32 PM
Double header in Páirc Esler

7pm Clonduff v Ballyholland
8.30pm Bryansford v Glenn
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Post by: 5 Sams on August 21, 2014, 05:13:50 PM
Quote from: general on August 21, 2014, 04:59:32 PM
Double header in Páirc Esler

7pm Clonduff v Ballyholland
8.30pm Bryansford v Glenn

Clonduff V Ballyholland is at half 3 on Sunday in Burren.
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Post by: bcarrier on August 21, 2014, 05:22:41 PM
For all that Marty was brillant in the run up to the All Ireland final he was distinctly average the year after it. Had other teams got him worked out ?

Maybe his heart was back in Australia that season but he hasnt exactly set the AFL on fire since he returned there.  I wouldnt be expecting him to just turn up and pull us out of a hole.

Only ever saw Mooney when he played against Clare in the backdoor before heading off - looked a nicely balanced and speedy footballer.

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Post by: ranch on August 21, 2014, 05:23:10 PM
So is it a double header or not?
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Post by: John Martin on August 21, 2014, 05:35:25 PM
Quote from: ranch on August 21, 2014, 05:23:10 PM
So is it a double header or not?

Yes it is. Kilcoo play tullylish at 7 in the first game.
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Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 21, 2014, 11:17:32 PM
Anyone on here have the dates handy for quarter, semi and finals of senior, intermediate and junior championships? Is quarter final draw this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 22, 2014, 08:42:11 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 21, 2014, 05:13:50 PM
Quote from: general on August 21, 2014, 04:59:32 PM
Double header in Páirc Esler

7pm Clonduff v Ballyholland
8.30pm Bryansford v Glenn

Clonduff V Ballyholland is at half 3 on Sunday in Burren.

my bad got that badly wrong yesterday
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Post by: charlieTully on August 22, 2014, 05:53:08 PM
are there matches on in newry this evening?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 22, 2014, 06:27:19 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 22, 2014, 05:53:08 PM
are there matches on in newry this evening?
mayobridge v rostrevor at 7. burren v longstone at 8.30
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 22, 2014, 07:48:36 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 22, 2014, 06:27:19 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 22, 2014, 05:53:08 PM
are there matches on in newry this evening?
mayobridge v rostrevor at 7. burren v longstone at 8.30

Made the mistake of going, thought rostrevor would have made a game of it but losing 1-10 to 0-2 at half time.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on August 22, 2014, 07:58:04 PM
Any sign of Caolan Mooney in the Rostrevor squad ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 22, 2014, 08:21:51 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 22, 2014, 07:58:04 PM
Any sign of Caolan Mooney in the Rostrevor squad ?

No. Certainly hasn't played anyway, ive no programme but havent noticed him on the sideline or anything.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 22, 2014, 08:22:37 PM
Full time 1-15 0-6
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Post by: washed_up on August 22, 2014, 09:46:42 PM
any other scores tonight
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Post by: SHEEDY on August 22, 2014, 10:04:53 PM
Quote from: washed_up on August 22, 2014, 09:46:42 PM
any other scores tonight
longstone 2-13 burren 2-12. brilliant match. Ryan kelly got 2 goals for the stone, ambrose got a long range free at the death to win it. Stone top the group,  burren are runners up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 22, 2014, 10:34:44 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 22, 2014, 07:58:04 PM
Any sign of Caolan Mooney in the Rostrevor squad ?

He is in Australia!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 23, 2014, 01:08:47 PM
Longstone burren game was epic last night, edge of the seat stuff.burren missed a lot of chances, ambrose sealed the 1 point win with a 50m free deep in injury time.Connor Poland man of the match.
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Post by: whitegoodman on August 23, 2014, 01:24:10 PM
At last a championship match worth watching.  With Mayobridge and Burren finishing 2nd in their groups it should set up a few interesting quarter finals.

Kilcoo v Burren and Bryansford v Mayobridge would be interesting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 23, 2014, 01:59:41 PM
Its a while since I saw Connor Poland play, but he always stood out any time I saw him, would he be worth a run with the county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on August 23, 2014, 02:15:59 PM
Heard from a Kilcoo man on Thurs night that McCorry might be heading off to Armagh to be #2 to McGeeney?

Serious loss for us Down men if he does!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 23, 2014, 10:46:28 PM
I heard Banty was being lined up for the down job?
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Post by: snoopdog on August 24, 2014, 10:19:45 AM
Banty? surely not. May as well bring back wee pete if we are gonna go down the route of journeymen, Banty did nothing at Meath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 24, 2014, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: southdown on August 23, 2014, 01:08:47 PM
Longstone burren game was epic last night, edge of the seat stuff.burren missed a lot of chances, ambrose sealed the 1 point win with a 50m free deep in injury time.Connor Poland man of the match.

Decent player but his performance certainly wasn't Man of the Match stuff.  He constantly tried to field from behind his man throughout the game and made just one outstanding catch from this position and it was same in Newcastle v Annaclone.  It takes a good man to field from behind so why wont he step in front to give him the advantage.  He's useful on the ground but doesn't impose himself on the game with runs like Mc Kernan did at times the other night.  I thought he was just average.

In relation to the next manager, will our money men (not county board who are broke) continue to pay the absurd amount of money which James and back to the Ross/DJ era all got.  They are bound to be sick paying big bucks for little return.  Would Mc Corry or Banty be looking anything less than the sums these others received as I hear both men are fond of the cash.

It will be an interesting draw for the quarter finals today as I am sure the group winners will not fancy either the bridge or Burren in the draw.
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Post by: SHEEDY on August 24, 2014, 05:18:28 PM
big win today for clonduff and an even bigger win for castlewellan in last of group games.

draw for 1/4 finals;
SFC
burren v castlewellan
saval v longstone
clonduff v kilcoo
mayobridge v bryansford

IFC
an riocht v bredagh
warrenpoint v saul
attical v st johns
liatroim v ballymartin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on August 25, 2014, 12:36:30 PM
Anyone got any idea why the County Board has taken the tie of the round (Bridge v  Ford) to Downpatrick?
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 25, 2014, 12:54:07 PM
In fairness it is the tie of the round.
Gonna be a good game ye would think.
Daft taking it to the likes of there alright.
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Post by: downjim on August 25, 2014, 01:12:37 PM
It's madness taking that game to a place with no stand or shelter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on August 25, 2014, 03:01:54 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 25, 2014, 01:12:37 PM
It's madness taking that game to a place with no stand or shelter.

On the surface Downjim your concerns seem reasonable, but to be fair, there is usually valid reason for the fixture makers choosing venues. They are better informed than any of us regarding all the variables that have to be taken into account. The only grounds in Down with covered stand/shelter are Newry,Dunavil,Ballyholland and Bryansford.  Given that Ballyholland and Dunavil have not hosted qfinals in recent years, I presume they may have been deemed logistically unsuitable eg h+s , traffic management.
There has been considerable investment in the Downpatrick venue, eg turnstyles, terracing, it is well recognised as a quality venue,  the RGU club have a reputation for being well organised for hosting matches, and it is the designated secondary county ground.
I also would imagine that the county board would be reluctant to leave themselves open to the accusation of Newry domination , by arranging all 4 Qfinals in Newry, therefore scheduling one of the 4 qfinals in the secondary county ground. In terms of promotion of our games, few would argue against at least one of the quarter finals being in East Down. Looking at the clubs involved in the qfinals , the Mayobridge v Bryansford game is the most suitable choice to go to Downpatrick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on August 25, 2014, 04:36:23 PM
6th Sam, honestly don't see your logic there. In terms of attracting neutrals I would argue that the Bridge/Ford game will have a bigger pull than all others if it was on in Newry. Placing it in Downpatrick reduces the neutral attendance considerably. I think there is another issue here that the county board hasn't considered, if you went and asked any of the ford or bridge lads where they wanted to play I would say 99% of them would have wanted the game to be in Pairc Esler. Bit of anti climax for these lads who have qualified for a 1/4 final and seeing all other teams get rewarded with a game in Newry apart from them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on August 25, 2014, 06:30:06 PM
When's the next round of Junior championship games on? Doesn't seem to be much talk about it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 25, 2014, 06:42:25 PM
Quote from: ranch on August 25, 2014, 06:30:06 PM
When's the next round of Junior championship games on? Doesn't seem to be much talk about it.

Quarters of JFC on same weekend as SFC and IFC.

Dromara v Kilclief
Drumaness v Dundrum
Killyleagh v St Paul's
Aughlisnafin v Bright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on August 25, 2014, 10:06:33 PM
Quote from: ranch on August 25, 2014, 06:30:06 PM
When's the next round of Junior championship games on? Doesn't seem to be much talk about it.
Why is it that the junior championship games are always the last of the three championships to be given venues/dates/times
why can't all SFC/IFC/JFC games be given dates/venues/times at the same time
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Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 26, 2014, 01:19:19 PM
Quote from: Predictor on August 25, 2014, 10:06:33 PM
Why is it that the junior championship games are always the last of the three championships to be given venues/dates/times
why can't all SFC/IFC/JFC games be given dates/venues/times at the same time

It is not the work of a minute to determine double-header viability, pitch suitability, pitch availability and pitch booking for multiple tiers.

Better that they take a day or two to try and get it right than rush it and make a balls of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 26, 2014, 11:46:00 PM
Surely you have to wait until the leagues are over and the playoffs have been played to post this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on August 27, 2014, 06:01:09 AM
i would have thought so as well- or has the play-off relegation/promotion idea been dropped?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 27, 2014, 10:00:32 AM
Pretty sure Saval have to beat Rostrevor on Friday night to avoid a play off!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on August 27, 2014, 11:02:50 AM
rite then could someone please tell what way the promotion and relegation works as it seems i have it wrong. Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 27, 2014, 11:08:43 AM
Quote from: Predictor on August 27, 2014, 11:02:50 AM
rite then could someone please tell what way the promotion and relegation works as it seems i have it wrong. Cheers

Third from last in the first division plays third from top in the second division to see who goes to /stays in the first division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on August 27, 2014, 11:13:31 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 27, 2014, 11:08:43 AM
Quote from: Predictor on August 27, 2014, 11:02:50 AM
rite then could someone please tell what way the promotion and relegation works as it seems i have it wrong. Cheers

Third from last in the first division plays third from top in the second division to see who goes to /stays in the first division.

orite get it now cheers 5 sams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 29, 2014, 08:26:14 PM
Absolutely Robbed.. Cheated by an absolute hallion of a referee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on August 29, 2014, 11:19:00 PM
Come on Mayobridge that umpire you had in Glenn tonight is not doing a proud club like yours and favors had what he done happened in any other venue except Glenn he would have been killed for the reputation of all the decent gaels in your club don't let him inside the gate again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 29, 2014, 11:34:39 PM
We have all had our fair share of poor umpire decisions including our own from our club but what I witnessed tonight was blatant cheating.  Glenn were good for a win tonight. The bridge didn't have an answer to Glenn at all. Until the umpire didn't give a wide that was a foot over the line and give the bridge a 45 which was certainly no 45. Leading to bennys goal. That man ought to be appalled with his actions.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 30, 2014, 12:10:41 AM
Harps beat the county champions tonight to stay up. Great performance. Kilcoo not pleased but they were out fought everywhere . Great night for the club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on August 30, 2014, 08:51:03 AM
I wouldn't be getting too carried away 5 SAMs. Kilcoo had a severely weakened team out which had a big bearing on that result and had one eye on next weekend as that match was meaningless for us.  And still yous only got over line. Yous would be in a relegation playoff if kilcoo had started with Nial branagan, Sean Ohanlon, James McClean, Anthony Devlin, Conor laverty, Gary McEvoy and Jerome Johnston. Yes that's half a team of certain starters.
I think it would suit ballyholland better to play positive football and they wouldn't find themselves in relegation trouble from now on cause they certainly have the players to carry out a more traditional game plan. It's not really taking yous any further playing with that style.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on August 30, 2014, 12:18:04 PM
anyone know any site that i could listen r get updates from the down ladies game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 30, 2014, 01:09:04 PM
What happened in the Glenn and noisy neighbours match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 30, 2014, 01:52:41 PM
The referee gave the 45!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on August 30, 2014, 02:08:54 PM
Half Time in the Down Ladies Semi-Final
Leitrim 1:02
Down 0;11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 30, 2014, 02:13:35 PM
Talk of people getting killed over an umpiring decision is very poor taste. Have some cop on!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on August 30, 2014, 02:58:04 PM
Down Ladies game going to extra time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on August 30, 2014, 03:36:39 PM
Congrats to the Down Ladies who are into the Intermediate final after an extra time win of Leitrim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on August 30, 2014, 09:52:12 PM
downjim Mayobridge umpire give a fifty when the ball clearly came off a bridge player with 33 minutes gone and down by 2 points Benny got a fist to the kick and it ended in the net in fairness the players were apologising to the Glenn team for the decision not good for a club with the standing of Mayobridge to have a man connected to the team cheat so blatantly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on August 31, 2014, 12:03:32 AM
Congratulations to Down u16 hurlers today on winning national development squad blitz in Newry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 01, 2014, 08:55:17 AM
Quote from: gaamann on August 30, 2014, 09:52:12 PM
downjim Mayobridge umpire give a fifty when the ball clearly came off a bridge player with 33 minutes gone and down by 2 points Benny got a fist to the kick and it ended in the net in fairness the players were apologising to the Glenn team for the decision not good for a club with the standing of Mayobridge to have a man connected to the team cheat so blatantly

Any chance you could use a comma or two? Maybe a full-stop would be useful.
Feel ill reading that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 01, 2014, 09:50:23 AM
Sunday times reported yesterday that Clarke is leaving Collingwood and not likely to sign for another AFL team. Anyone any concrete info on this
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 01, 2014, 10:05:29 AM
Irish News had Mooney stripped out and ready to play for the Reds v Kilcoo - pinch of salt and seek further clarification closer to home as you have!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 01, 2014, 10:58:06 AM
Quote from: gaamann on August 30, 2014, 09:52:12 PM
downjim Mayobridge umpire give a fifty when the ball clearly came off a bridge player with 33 minutes gone and down by 2 points Benny got a fist to the kick and it ended in the net in fairness the players were apologising to the Glenn team for the decision not good for a club with the standing of Mayobridge to have a man connected to the team cheat so blatantly

Ah man are you seriously crying about this!!! Dont think I have ever seen a game with clubs doing their own umpire/linesman and decisions have not been given to favour their own side. Glenn included.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on September 01, 2014, 08:49:48 PM
You would think by the way gaaman describes it that the umpire had flicked the ball into the net himself. Build a "bridge".
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 02, 2014, 10:09:38 AM
Report from Hoganstand yesterday - http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=223483

Benny has just confirmed on his BCG Facebook page that Marty Clarke has indeed returned -  "Welcome home Marty"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on September 02, 2014, 10:02:47 PM
Just noticed this on the Down website:

Down GAA Og Sport (7 A-side U15 competition) will take place this Tuesday night 2nd September in Newry starting at 8pm – All Club Secretaries have been forward entry forms - Entries close tomorrow Friday at 2pm – so if your clubs is going to take part please return completed forms to Diarmuid Cahill itofficer.down@gaa.ie

There are several issues here, asking U.15 players to play in a competition beginning at 8 o'clock on what is now a school night as lads are back at school.  They had all Summer to play this competition but now all of a sudden it has to be played on a Tuesday night.  The U.16 championship only started a few weeks back and the minors are only at the quarter final stage.  What happened with playing some games during the best months of the year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 03, 2014, 09:30:52 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on September 02, 2014, 10:02:47 PM
Just noticed this on the Down website:

Down GAA Og Sport (7 A-side U15 competition) will take place this Tuesday night 2nd September in Newry starting at 8pm – All Club Secretaries have been forward entry forms - Entries close tomorrow Friday at 2pm – so if your clubs is going to take part please return completed forms to Diarmuid Cahill itofficer.down@gaa.ie

There are several issues here, asking U.15 players to play in a competition beginning at 8 o'clock on what is now a school night as lads are back at school.  They had all Summer to play this competition but now all of a sudden it has to be played on a Tuesday night.  The U.16 championship only started a few weeks back and the minors are only at the quarter final stage.  What happened with playing some games during the best months of the year?

To be fair, I also thought that the timing, location , and notice for this competition was less than ideal, for many of the reasons you have given. However , I have to say this was a superb tournament, excellently organised and officiated on the night, and played in the right spirit by all. I know our players really enjoyed the experience.
I think there is a lesson in this . If such a 12 team tournament can be successful, having been arranged at short notice, for 12 teams from all 4 corners of the county, surely we should be doing more of this. We have excellent floodlit facilities throughout the county, and though there would need to be coordination with schools football commitments, why should we wait to April to start our youth football competitions, taking breaks for holidays and examinations, and finish them by  early September?
I would say our players learnt more, and certainly enjoyed more last night, than they have done at training all year.
We could really get the edge on other counties , if we extended our underage season (cooperating with our schools), rather hand our players over to other sports, and the dreaded X-Box for the winter.

Thanks to Diarmuid and his team for an excellent competition, More of the same , please!,  but given the late finish , a more central venue or regional early rounds should be considered in future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 03, 2014, 12:28:42 PM
Caolan Mooney also returning home.

https://www.facebook.com/StBronaghsGAA/photos/a.190451834419696.44239.183710681760478/536115126520030/?type=1&relevant_count=1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 03, 2014, 01:00:01 PM
Jesus..thon shitty thread below worked!
Some boost to have 2 lads coming back with professional experience, and 2 decent players to boot.
Im sure their clubs are delighted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on September 03, 2014, 01:51:23 PM
As news breaks of one An Riocht man returning from Australia I thought it right to mention the other An Riocht man who has just retired from the Down senior set up after 15 or so years representing minors, u21 and seniors with distinction. Although this was announced 2 wks ago I thought, as he is a clubman of mine, to let some of you other Down diehards pay tribute to him. More important things were being discussed like biased umpires and championship predictions. Thanks Brendan for your dedication and commitment to the county for so long, and who could forget 2010 when you went so close to picking up an All Ireland winners medal. The consolation prize was an Irish News All star, a G.P.A award and of course  an All star award. All the best on your county retirement, and good luck with the rest of your club career!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 03, 2014, 08:55:06 PM
We have been well served by our keepers over the years and McVeigh was a top class performer. He had  to play behind some dodgy defences in his time, but he was always a great shot stopper and deserved his All Star. We still need to reorganise at the back and we have no confirmation that our two best midfielders, Gordon and King, will be available next year. However, there is a possibility that we could field a half forward line with Ambrose, Poland and Clarke, with McComiskey, Mooney and Laverty in the full forwards. That would be worth seeing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 04, 2014, 09:32:57 AM
Whats everyones thoughts on championship tonight? Going for an East Down double St Johns and Castlewellan, Burren have looked very vunerable this year and I think with Castlewellans injuries clearing up and Burren having an ever increasing injury list it will go the way of the Town men.

On a seperate note, dont think its right players should be asked to play on a Thursday night at 8.30pm particularly those who have to travel from Castlewellan, why is Kilcoo on Monday night and not Sunday and could these games not have been played all on Saturday and Sunday? Just a thought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on September 04, 2014, 10:35:57 AM
Mourne Rover, you're surely having a laugh naming King as one of our best midfielders? Football has changed since the days of having a big lump in midfield to just win ball. I would shudder to think how he would do against MD McAuley and the likes.

Red and Black, I assume the Kilcoo game is on Monday due to AI Hurling Final being on the Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oldhacker on September 04, 2014, 11:13:56 AM
Speculative, you have a short memory. When we went into this summer's championship in Omagh without big King, both our midfielders were replaced at half-time.  In the qualifier against Kildare, we were again cleaned out down the middle and Turley did not even make it to the break before being subbed.

Last summer, King was outstanding in the first round against Derry and again in the semi against Donegal. The amount of work he gets through is sometimes only appreciated when he is not there, and it is difficult to believe you are seriously suggesting that our midfield improved this year in his absence.

A `big lump' in the shape of Gallagher actually destroyed McAuley on Sunday by doing exactly what King does through covering space, winning the ball and laying it off simply. If we can come up with an equally effective midfield which does not include King, we will be doing very well indeed.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on September 04, 2014, 01:57:00 PM
Oldhacker, to call a man who can get up and down the field like Neil Gallagher a big lump is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, King can win ball, but other than that his is extremely limited as a footballer. What other serious inter county team would have a man that was as immobile as King within their ranks? Midfield is not just about making a few clean catches anymore, it's about being smart and mobile, making late runs to attack, breaking tackles, being the link man out of defence,etc. and unfortunately King is not capable of doing this at elite level.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 04, 2014, 02:38:13 PM
So who is then?
In your opinion.
Name me the midfielders in Down Club football who are better midfielders than King.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on September 04, 2014, 03:00:31 PM
Conor Toner, Benny Coulter, Anton McArdle (if he is home?), Kevin McKernan, Dan Gordon, Ambrose Rodgers, etc.

Don't get me wrong, King is very effective at club level, but if we are looking to become an elite level inter county team we need to look to for something different.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 04, 2014, 03:52:22 PM
So which of all those guys will do the donkey work?
Will they all perform the defensive role? Will they all be the spoiler, the guy that does the dirty work?

Youre having a laugh.
You have just dismissed off-hand one of Down's most consistent performers of recent times.
He may have played his best games for Down but your tone is a bit disrespectful.

Conor Toner needs a full club season under his belt without injury. He has the potential.
Anton McArdle doesn't exist until he lives and plays on this island regularly, a non-discussion.
Benny Coulter is 32 and has played his whole career as an attacking threat. You think he could carry out King's role? Really?
Kevin McKernan has the athleticism but are we willing to sacrifice his dynamism going forward and ask him to carry out a defensive role? We know he cant defend but yet you think he would carry out King's role better?
Is there anyone else in Burren we are missing?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 04, 2014, 10:47:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 03, 2014, 08:55:06 PM
We have been well served by our keepers over the years and McVeigh was a top class performer. He had  to play behind some dodgy defences in his time, but he was always a great shot stopper and deserved his All Star. We still need to reorganise at the back and we have no confirmation that our two best midfielders, Gordon and King, will be available next year. However, there is a possibility that we could field a half forward line with Ambrose, Poland and Clarke, with McComiskey, Mooney and Laverty in the full forwards. That would be worth seeing.

That half forward line is too loyal to players who have not been at their best for over a year now. I would rather see O'Hanlon or Ryan Johnson in for Ambrose, and Devlin in for Poland. If we are going forward with Clarke (26/27), Mooney (22/23), McComiskey (26/27), Laverty (28?) then we should be looking towards building a team around these players to peak in a year or two. Not using these players to build around lads who are in their thirties and few years from being gone.

I would still have the likes of Benny, Poland, Ambrose, Hughes in the squad and use them from the bench if they were willing to be in the squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minder on September 04, 2014, 11:19:39 PM
Tony McEntee to be named Down manager in next 24hrs allegedly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 04, 2014, 11:40:44 PM
http://www.newstalk.ie/McEntee-set-to-become-Down-manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 05, 2014, 12:04:53 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 04, 2014, 03:52:22 PM
So which of all those guys will do the donkey work?
Will they all perform the defensive role? Will they all be the spoiler, the guy that does the dirty work?

Youre having a laugh.
You have just dismissed off-hand one of Down's most consistent performers of recent times.
He may have played his best games for Down but your tone is a bit disrespectful.

Conor Toner needs a full club season under his belt without injury. He has the potential.
Anton McArdle doesn't exist until he lives and plays on this island regularly, a non-discussion.
Benny Coulter is 32 and has played his whole career as an attacking threat. You think he could carry out King's role? Really?
Kevin McKernan has the athleticism but are we willing to sacrifice his dynamism going forward and ask him to carry out a defensive role? We know he cant defend but yet you think he would carry out King's role better?
Is there anyone else in Burren we are missing?
Bang on the money BT. Peter Turley had a good year for Down but the comparison between King and Gallagher is fair enough. Kalum does the simple things well which often goes unseen but his absence was significant this year.
The McEntee appointment is a bit surprising. He is a class act but big jump to county football. Also it is in the DNA of Cross men to hate Down; read Oisin's book and also look at Paudie Hughes's call on that ball that was two yards wide again Kildare- great people but they hate us. On the plus side he has no baggage, unlike Mc Corry. His backroom team will be interesting, I would keep Moyna but I don't think JJ and Burns will work together again. MC ,and to a lesser extent Mooney, changes things big time so interesting times ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: armaghniac on September 05, 2014, 12:16:13 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 05, 2014, 12:04:53 AM
Also it is in the DNA of Cross men to hate Down; read Oisin's book and also look at Paudie Hughes's call on that ball that was two yards wide again Kildare- great people but they hate us.

Not often I agree with a Down person.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 05, 2014, 07:27:38 AM
If McEntee is confirmed today it will have been the best possible candidate available to us. Well done to all involved. The return of Clarke and Mooney surely helped.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on September 05, 2014, 10:17:52 AM
Brick, you clearly didn't read my post, why do we need a defensive spoiler? Why do we need someone who can just do the basics? McKernan and Gordon in midfield gives a far better balance to the team than any other pairing we have. King has a lot of limitations, McKernan has few. Pretty simple lads.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 05, 2014, 10:44:34 AM
Neither Mc Kernan or Gordon will track back at least in my opinion king knows his limits and defends the centre. King wins a lot of ball around the middle by turnovers he then gives it to a more able man who spreads the play imagine the difference if that man was Clarke kicking it in early before a defence got set up to the space in front of mooney and Mc comiskey suddenly the structure of the team has changed. Any time we get the ball our players automatically look back to pass it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 05, 2014, 10:44:50 AM
Yeah its black and white. Completely simple. What was I thinking.
So our defence is well capable of holding the best forward lines on their own, on a man-to-man duel?
We don't need a defensive presence or backup to supplement the defence and cover for them?
There is no need for a stopper or an enforcer to mop up dirty ball, turnover possessions, make tackles and hits, dispossess and disturb opposing attacks, gain primary possessions and play the simple balls well?
We clearly already have a team full of players who thrive in those areas and are adept at those arts.

Catch yourself on.
Youre comparing King & McKernan too which is laughable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on September 05, 2014, 10:58:10 AM
Men,

Let the new manager decide on our midfield.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 05, 2014, 11:11:20 AM
McEntee - Good candidate with track record of success and a firm view on a game plan.  His game plan may not work for Down as our players are different to the Crossmaglen team he had.  But if it does work, we are in for some journey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 05, 2014, 10:22:53 PM
results from tonights championship matches;

IFC bredagh1-5 an riocht 0-10
JFC st pauls 6-11 killyleah 3-12
SFC longstone 1-11 saval 1-10
JFC kilclief 3-10 dromara 0-10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 07, 2014, 01:58:03 PM
It was Pete McGraths fault they said!! Who will the perenial chokers blame now?All the talent in the world counts for nothing if you're windy ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on September 07, 2014, 05:20:13 PM
You are lucky you didn't live pre 81 down jim.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 07, 2014, 08:18:17 PM
You've been watching too many Facebook videos DJ  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 07, 2014, 10:54:39 PM
Was at the Bridge v Ford match and i take my hat off to the bridge..to a man they were the better and more hungry team. Would of had the Ford maybe slight favourites but in the end the bridge won easily enough. No one will fancy them in the championship now and showed to many there is still life in this team yet with a good mix of youth and experience. Bryansford looked very out of sorts and I was surprised at the team they had out and the position of some of the players. When changes were required they weren't forth coming until it was to late when the bench was emptied more in hope than plan. That's an issue for the management who must accept there share of blame on their part... So its back to the drawing board for the Ford and onwards for the bridge..could there be one more championship for this Bridge team or were they made look better than they are? Time will tell...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 08, 2014, 12:28:22 PM
Fair play to the Bridge and their management team, they out played and managed Bryansford and if they perform at this level in the semi's they will be hard to overcome. Their seasoned players still certainly have an appetite for the game. First match between Saul v CPN was less entertaining with CPN dominating the whole game. Decent young team, will be interesting to see how they perform in the 1st division next year - will be hard to beat in this years Intermediate championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Diarrhoa Divil on September 08, 2014, 12:55:28 PM
Fair play to the bridge indeed. Think they may have another kick in them yet and have a say where the championship trophy ends up this season.
Dont think anyone would take them lightly after that result. Bryansford will have been disappointed with that result. Dawson will have to work some magic over next 2 years there to get them across the line. Kilcoo should win handy enough tonight ye would think.
As for the intermediate, it has always been Points to lose. Nobody will touch them. Fancy themselves for Ulster and All-Ireland glory too apparently. Kingdowm and Liatroim will only stand in their way but they wont stop Cant Pronounce the Name lifting the trophy.
Point will do nothing proper until they sort out the soccer issue they have. Players not playing for their club cuz they away playin saccer still seems to be problem there. Bound to cause dressing room friction. Serious GAA clubs don't tolerate that nonsense and serious players don't entertain it either.

twas a disaster taking those 2 championship games away to Downpatrick of saturdya. Nightmare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on September 08, 2014, 02:39:24 PM
How was it a "disaster" hosting the 2 matches in Downpatrick? Apart, of course, for South Down supporters having to do what East Down club supporters do all the time - travel some distance to watch a senior championship match!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 10, 2014, 09:04:57 AM
Referees performances in the championship over the weekend leave a lot to be desired.. Surely all those games were recorded and should be watched by county board official who is in charge of referees to make them accountable for some of their decisions.. They are the untouchables of the gaa and this needs to be addressed..
Why do county players get more leniency with decisions from referees than the ordinary club player??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on September 10, 2014, 10:07:40 AM
Not always the case!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 10, 2014, 01:23:20 PM
Anyone seen odds for the semis, a bridge stone double could be worth a fiver at the right prices?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 10, 2014, 04:24:10 PM
along with CPN and Ballymartin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on September 10, 2014, 05:49:44 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on September 10, 2014, 09:04:57 AM
Referees performances in the championship over the weekend leave a lot to be desired.. Surely all those games were recorded and should be watched by county board official who is in charge of referees to make them accountable for some of their decisions.. They are the untouchables of the gaa and this needs to be addressed..
Why do county players get more leniency with decisions from referees than the ordinary club player??
I was at 7 of the 8 games over the weekend and yes 2/3 werent great but iseen one our 2 who done well so not all refs should be tarred with one brush!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 11, 2014, 09:24:31 AM
The standard of refereeing is very poor in general, not just in Down but even nationally, look at even the Hurling on sunday, some of the calls were pathetic.

On a seperate note, thought the behaviour of Kilcoo on and off the field (including the stand where young children were present) the other night was a disgrace and a stronger referee might have seen them finish with maybe 12 men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 11, 2014, 09:36:31 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 11, 2014, 09:24:31 AM
The standard of refereeing is very poor in general, not just in Down but even nationally, look at even the Hurling on sunday, some of the calls were pathetic.

On a seperate note, thought the behaviour of Kilcoo on and off the field (including the stand where young children were present) the other night was a disgrace and a stronger referee might have seen them finish with maybe 12 men.

I was in the stand, I didn't see any problem with Kilcoo supporters. So I can only assume it was an isolated group that behaved in a  way that you found unaceptable. As for on the pitch. It was incredible that Daryl Brannigan managed to avoid enough bookings for a sending off, but other than that I didn't see anything particularly terrible. I certainly don't see where 3 red cards would have come from to reduce them to 12 men.

Clonduff were no angels either. Laverty shipped some really heavy challenges. And Ryan Johnson almost had his head taken off at one point.

I'm a neutral. Both teams were physical, Kilcoo probably more so. But nothing as dramatic as the above post suggested
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 11, 2014, 12:26:09 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on September 11, 2014, 09:36:31 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 11, 2014, 09:24:31 AM
The standard of refereeing is very poor in general, not just in Down but even nationally, look at even the Hurling on sunday, some of the calls were pathetic.

On a seperate note, thought the behaviour of Kilcoo on and off the field (including the stand where young children were present) the other night was a disgrace and a stronger referee might have seen them finish with maybe 12 men.

I was in the stand, I didn't see any problem with Kilcoo supporters. So I can only assume it was an isolated group that behaved in a  way that you found unaceptable. As for on the pitch. It was incredible that Daryl Brannigan managed to avoid enough bookings for a sending off, but other than that I didn't see anything particularly terrible. I certainly don't see where 3 red cards would have come from to reduce them to 12 men.

Clonduff were no angels either. Laverty shipped some really heavy challenges. And Ryan Johnson almost had his head taken off at one point.

I'm a neutral. Both teams were physical, Kilcoo probably more so. But nothing as dramatic as the above post suggested
I thought the ref let a bit too much go and Daryl Brannigan should have got the line. Also didn't witness any probs with Kilcoo supporters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on September 11, 2014, 03:54:02 PM
Has anyone heard a reason for the hold up in announcing the county manager? I though we were in for a decision/announcement at the weekend and then again on Tuesday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on September 11, 2014, 07:31:18 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on September 11, 2014, 03:54:02 PM
Has anyone heard a reason for the hold up in announcing the county manager? I though we were in for a decision/announcement at the weekend and then again on Tuesday night.

I think the county board never had any intention of announcing the new manager, they have yet to meet with Dawson or McCorry and whatever camp you are in, it is only right that they give any potential candidates a hearing, on top of the fact that both of these men were/are still involved with their respective clubs, the county board will have to wait until they are out or available to meet.

If there is an announcement this week then it certainly won't be McCorry, as I can't see him allowing a distraction to Kilcoo's preparations.

If a decision is made, only possibility is Tony McEntee!!!!

Here comes the white smoke!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on September 13, 2014, 05:11:05 PM
So Kilclief into div2 teconnaught relegated to div 3.
Liatroim stay in div 1, an riocht stay in div 2.

Anyone know the scores?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 13, 2014, 06:44:24 PM
Kilclief 1-18 v Teconnaught 1-8, dunno about the Liatriom result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 13, 2014, 07:26:52 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 13, 2014, 06:44:24 PM
Kilclief 1-18 v Teconnaught 1-8, dunno about the Liatriom result.

Congrats No 1!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 13, 2014, 09:29:30 PM
Absolutely f**k all to do with me but it was fantastic to see some of our old boys rolling back the years last night! If you transferred 5 Sams I reckon you'd get the number 2 jersey, not sure you could handle East Down football though!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 13, 2014, 10:16:24 PM
 ;D Great stuff. Hope we don't see you in the next 2 or 3 years...unless of course yiz make the big step up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on September 14, 2014, 07:49:51 PM
NEXT YEARS DIVISION

Div: 1
Bryansford
Mayobridge
Castlewellan
Kilcoo
Burren
RGU Downpatrick
Clonduff
Glenn
Rostrevor
Longstone
Annaclone
Ballyholland
Saval
Liatroim
Cumann Pheadair Naofa
Clann na Banna

Div: 2
Tullylish
Loughinisland
An Ríocht
Ballymartin
Bredagh
St John's
Darragh Cross
St John Bosco
Newry Shamrocks
Saul
Atticall
Drumgath
Carryduff
St Colman's Drumaness
Dromara
Kilclief

Div: 3
Mitchels
Dundrum
Bright
St Paul's
Ardglass
Aughlisnafin
Killyleagh
St Michael's GAC, Magheralin
Ballykinlar
Teconnaught
Glasdrumman
Aghaderg

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 14, 2014, 08:35:19 PM
Big congratulations to down camogie team, all-ireland champions!!! well done to all players and management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 14, 2014, 08:36:59 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 14, 2014, 08:35:19 PM
Big congratulations to down camogie team, all-ireland champions!!! well done to all players and management.

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 15, 2014, 09:01:43 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 14, 2014, 08:36:59 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 14, 2014, 08:35:19 PM
Big congratulations to down camogie team, all-ireland champions!!! well done to all players and management.

+1

Was down at it, great come back when it looked like Laois were going to pull away.

Well done to Yukker and Marty in getting them going after the mercenary left them for more money elsewhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on September 15, 2014, 01:46:00 PM
Well done camogs!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on September 16, 2014, 01:54:11 PM
It's being reported today that McEntee and O'Neill have pulled out of the running for the managers job. I was excited at reports claiming that they would indeed be announced a couple of weeks back but at the same time a wee bit concerned about such media reports coming out without any updates from the county board.

I know there will always be media speculation about these things but I just hope we get the right man in there without a circus coming first. If we look at what happened in Antrim last week, a repeat of that is not what Down football and a new manager needs.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on September 16, 2014, 03:31:20 PM
Reports I'm hearing are that when they learn't that Old Mother Hubbard's (aka Sean Og's) cupboard was bare their appetites were considerably dampened.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 16, 2014, 05:04:54 PM
Well if that's true then I don't see how its gonna entice many people to take over the reigns.
Maybe they should evaluate where they 'spent' money this last 10 years and perhaps try learn from that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 16, 2014, 05:08:17 PM
Kilcoo v Mayobridge looks a cracking match up and has the potential to be the game of the championship with the Bridge starting to show a bit of form, would expect the crowd to be will entertained on the night by this game with some fine players on show. Not so sure if the opening match between the Johnnies and the Point will be much of a contest as most people would have the Point as warm favs -  but you never know in championship football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 16, 2014, 05:16:58 PM
Yes you do. 'Point at a Canter.
St Johns don't have a prayer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on September 17, 2014, 01:15:46 PM
DCB have the safety matches and firelighters all ready to go. Expect white smoke very shortly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 17, 2014, 06:40:13 PM
I was speaking to Mark Turley today - He has been offered the job and it will be official in the next day or two
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nailer on September 17, 2014, 08:57:47 PM
There is always speculation as to who will be appointed the next senior football manager and this time is no different, the sub committee appointed to interview the candidates do not have the power to appoint the new manager, they will make a recommendation to a meeting of the county board and it will be ratified.Don't expect an announcement until the night of the next C. B. when you can expect a full attendance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on September 17, 2014, 09:35:16 PM
the post from 123 does nothing for the candidate named ,the selection committee or indeed the serious matter of the appointment of our next senior manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 17, 2014, 09:49:31 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on September 17, 2014, 06:40:13 PM
I was speaking to Mark Turley today - He has been offered the job and it will be official in the next day or two

;D

Quote from: washed_up on September 17, 2014, 09:35:16 PM
the post from 123 does nothing for the candidate named ,the selection committee or indeed the serious matter of the appointment of our next senior manager

Catch yourself on you idiot, as if anyone involved in the process takes anything on here seriously, and if they do we are in big big trouble!! Mc Corry is the new manager and that is fact, spouted as fact from one of the selection panel, its just a matter of timing now, if Kilcoo lose on Friday evening we will know early next week, if they win we might not here for a few weeks yet but I see no reason for the delay everyone knows its him, Kilcoo just don't want to believe its him as replacing him will not be easy. More interesting for me is who Mc Corrys backroom team will be, will he take the Kilcoo contingent whom he knows and trusts or will he plum for outsiders or current people within the Down leagues?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 17, 2014, 09:56:01 PM
Jim McCorry, Shorty Treanor and Michael Walsh.  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 17, 2014, 10:02:37 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 17, 2014, 09:56:01 PM
Jim McCorry, Shorty Treanor and Michael Walsh.  :P

Nearly as good as the Turley joke  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 18, 2014, 09:22:47 AM
Why does Destination Newry not show any games anymore?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 18, 2014, 11:15:17 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 17, 2014, 10:02:37 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 17, 2014, 09:56:01 PM
Jim McCorry, Shorty Treanor and Michael Walsh.  :P

Nearly as good as the Turley joke  ;D

In fairness it was a joke. But things have got really tedious with all this hanging around. For the record I do not know Mark Turley at all. At least after Friday evening we will have something to talk about with some interesting championship games coming up.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on September 18, 2014, 11:22:42 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 17, 2014, 09:56:01 PM
Jim McCorry, Shorty Treanor and Michael Walsh.  :P

This is what I heard - is it a joke?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 18, 2014, 12:35:28 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 18, 2014, 09:22:47 AM
Why does Destination Newry not show any games anymore?

AFAIK the county board refused rights last year giving the excuse of reduced numbers attending games. Its a pity as it was handy for people living overseas to watch the games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 18, 2014, 01:51:16 PM
County board could learn a lot from our neighbours and the media coverage they give to their championship games across all levels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 18, 2014, 03:05:09 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 18, 2014, 12:35:28 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 18, 2014, 09:22:47 AM
Why does Destination Newry not show any games anymore?

ASAIK the county board refused rights last year giving the excuse of reduced numbers attending games. Its a pity as it was handy for people living overseas to watch the games.

This is a disgrace, and extremely short-sighted; Destination Newry provided a great service for those who couldn't make the match and for our diaspora
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 18, 2014, 03:10:01 PM
Down ladies play Fermanagh next week in the All-Ireland intermediate final. I think it will be our biggest achievement if we do manage to win it. Down have already beaten Fermanagh with something to spare in the Ulster final, but have been unimpressive since, only scraping through both quarter-final and semi-final, so this final is even money.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 18, 2014, 04:10:35 PM
Was the reason destination Newry not allowed to show games not something to do with tg4 having rights to the club championships and ladies football I thought that was the case
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on September 18, 2014, 04:43:05 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on September 18, 2014, 04:10:35 PM
Was the reason destination Newry not allowed to show games not something to do with tg4 having rights to the club championships and ladies football I thought that was the case

How come Armagh can show their games then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on September 18, 2014, 04:52:21 PM
Quote from: imagine on September 18, 2014, 04:02:34 PM
  Prepare for a shock with the imminent announcement of
James's successor.

Shock me now..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 18, 2014, 05:29:35 PM
Quote from: passedit on September 18, 2014, 04:43:05 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on September 18, 2014, 04:10:35 PM
Was the reason destination Newry not allowed to show games not something to do with tg4 having rights to the club championships and ladies football I thought that was the case

How come Armagh can show their games then?

Yeh its dissapointing that they arent on. Some of the group games were on and indeed some Intermediate games. DN also advertised at the time that they would indeed be showing the remaining SFC games. Something happened to change all that!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 18, 2014, 05:59:19 PM
the provisional fixture list for the 2015 national league have been released.

down will play;

sun feb 1    Kildare away
sat feb 7     Roscommon home
sat feb 28   cavan away
sun mar 8   galway home
sun mar 15 Westmeath away
sat mar 28  meath home
sun apr 5    laois home
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cloneman on September 18, 2014, 07:29:54 PM
https://twitter.com/mccoyniall/status/512642358597271554

Announcement shortly on new manager apparently!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 18, 2014, 09:18:59 PM
The county board has confirmed Jim McCorry as our new senior manager and all Down supporters will wish him the best of luck.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on September 18, 2014, 09:20:28 PM
Back room team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on September 18, 2014, 09:39:28 PM
I heard Shorty Trainor is a selector- has done well with the Town and if the Burren job isn't available to him why not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 18, 2014, 09:48:34 PM
Sound appointment. Comes with the advantage that he knows the best players in the county and thus won't need to scour the county for months.
League promotion and a stab at the Ulster final would be the obvious 2015 targets.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 18, 2014, 09:59:29 PM
McCorry may see an immediate opportunity when he looks at the provisional league fixtures as posted by Sheedy above. We have four home games, avoiding some dodgy long trips along the way. Our first match is away to Kildare, and the last time that happened we went on to get promoted and make the AI final - at least we can dream of a repeat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 18, 2014, 10:05:07 PM
best of luck to jim mccorry. hope everyone gets right behind him and we can see down football moving forward again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 18, 2014, 10:21:55 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 18, 2014, 09:59:29 PM
McCorry may see an immediate opportunity when he looks at the provisional league fixtures as posted by Sheedy above. We have four home games, avoiding some dodgy long trips along the way. Our first match is away to Kildare, and the last time that happened we went on to get promoted and make the AI final - at least we can dream of a repeat.

The last time we had that fixture a special player returned from Aussie rules football to lead Down to victory in Newbridge. This time round maybe we will have two of them playing for us!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on September 19, 2014, 02:18:46 AM
Wish the new Manager every success and support. However i cannot understand the enthusiasm for his appointment. His CV is not that impressive.Won County championships with teams that would probably have won under any Manager. No success in the wider arena of the Ulster Club Championship.No experience of County management. Hopefully he  may prove to be an excellent appointment, though i say that more in hope than expectation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on September 19, 2014, 02:23:17 AM
You'd need to seriously re-evaluate that statement pangurban.has had great success with club teams in down,turned kilcoo from down contenders into ulster contenders.
   As for inter county experience,McGrath,o'rourke,carr/DJ and mccartan had none.mccrory does actually have experience,albeit from quite a long time ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 19, 2014, 06:44:30 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 19, 2014, 02:18:46 AM
Wish the new Manager every success and support. However i cannot understand the enthusiasm for his appointment. His CV is not that impressive.Won County championships with teams that would probably have won under any Manager. No success in the wider arena of the Ulster Club Championship.No experience of County management. Hopefully he  may prove to be an excellent appointment, though i say that more in hope than expectation

I think you should get a copy of his CV and re-asses your statements.

His achievement in turning Kilcoo from rural also-rans into Ulster finalists is remarkable. And as for no success in Ulster - His team has beaten St Galls and Crossmaglen, both recent All-Ireland champions (and before last year, the only teams to win Ulster in a decade). How many mangers have beaten Cross in Ulster in the last 8 years. Two, and yep, McCorry is one of them.

Now that's not to mention getting Armagh to a National Football Laegue final (no county management experience!!!)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 19, 2014, 08:36:52 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on September 19, 2014, 06:44:30 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 19, 2014, 02:18:46 AM
Wish the new Manager every success and support. However i cannot understand the enthusiasm for his appointment. His CV is not that impressive.Won County championships with teams that would probably have won under any Manager. No success in the wider arena of the Ulster Club Championship.No experience of County management. Hopefully he  may prove to be an excellent appointment, though i say that more in hope than expectation

I think you should get a copy of his CV and re-asses your statements.

His achievement in turning Kilcoo from rural also-rans into Ulster finalists is remarkable. And as for no success in Ulster - His team has beaten St Galls and Crossmaglen, both recent All-Ireland champions (and before last year, the only teams to win Ulster in a decade). How many mangers have beaten Cross in Ulster in the last 8 years. Two, and yep, McCorry is one of them.

Now that's not to mention getting Armagh to a National Football Laegue final (no county management experience!!!)

PaulD123 in fairness Pangurban speaks some truth in that Kilcoo were far from rural also-rans when McCorry came in. If you know anything then you'll know that team that been building for 10-20 years before hand at underage levels and were ready to make the next step, any decent manager at all would have got that team to were they are today so in my eyes there is nothing remarkable in what McCorry has done with them, infact it would have been a sin if he couldn't have got out of them what he has....still wish the man well for Down though I think it's an uphill task at the moment for anyone. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on September 19, 2014, 09:54:37 AM
To suggest that "any manager would have won with Kilcoo" is the height of idiocy. People have short memories, McCorry was an integral part in forming Mayobridge into the powerhouse they were during the 00's and was the man who broke their quest for 6 in a row (Mayobridge had won the SFC, MFC and PRFC the year previous). He has taken a team that on paper are not a world-beaters and made them a dominant force in Down. I would argue that Kilcoo have the 3rd/4th strongest panel within the county but yet have won 3 of the previous 5 Championships. McCorry's influence cannot be over estimated, if any of the top 5 teams in the county had McCorry as a manger they would win the Championship. A great appointment, as I said previously there is no better man for the job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 19, 2014, 09:58:00 AM
best of Luck to Jim and his backroom team, could be interesting to see if he wins Down with Kilcoo and they go on to an Ulster final and win that, not impossible.  what happens with the County i assume Shorty and Mickey Walsh will take the reigns until such time  which could be 17th of March. Looking forward to Feb 1st in Newbridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on September 19, 2014, 10:01:50 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 19, 2014, 09:58:00 AM
best of Luck to Jim and his backroom team, could be interesting to see if he wins Down with Kilcoo and they go on to an Ulster final and win that, not impossible.  what happens with the County i assume Shorty and Mickey Walsh will take the reigns until such time  which could be 17th of March. Looking forward to Feb 1st in Newbridge

Holy f**k!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 19, 2014, 10:33:38 AM
Quote from: speculative on September 19, 2014, 09:54:37 AM
To suggest that "any manager would have won with Kilcoo" is the height of idiocy. People have short memories, McCorry was an integral part in forming Mayobridge into the powerhouse they were during the 00's and was the man who broke their quest for 6 in a row (Mayobridge had won the SFC, MFC and PRFC the year previous). He has taken a team that on paper are not a world-beaters and made them a dominant force in Down. I would argue that Kilcoo have the 3rd/4th strongest panel within the county but yet have won 3 of the previous 5 Championships. McCorry's influence cannot be over estimated, if any of the top 5 teams in the county had McCorry as a manger they would win the Championship. A great appointment, as I said previously there is no better man for the job.

Your living in a dream world Speculative..Kilcoo have the 3rd/4th best panel in Down??? Would you name 3 better panels? Any of the top 5 teams would win with McCorry? Outside Kilcoo / Burren / Mayobridge there are no other serious contenders at the moment though the stone are in a semi and it would be great to see I just cant see them winning it...get real he may be a decent professional manager but without players you cant do much...when he was at the Bridge Benny, Ronan Sexton, Mickey Walsh, etc were all at their peak....the same thing happened at Kilcoo...fact.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on September 19, 2014, 10:45:43 AM
Mccorry  without  a doubt laid the foundations for our sucess through the 00s.  The boys you mention above were 20/21 when he left so they were hardly at their peak. He brought all them lads onto the senior panel when they were 15/16. He wasnt afraid to go with the young lads, and change the whole team.   Good appointment for Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on September 19, 2014, 01:47:28 PM
Would you not say Castlewellan and Bryansford (3rd and 1st in the league) are contenders?? Talent wise - Kilcoo isn't overflowing with it. What they have is a good system of play and a work ethic instilled by their MANAGER. I would put Mayobridge and Burren both ahead of them in terms of individuals, but what they do have is a teamwork that is unmatched.

IMO if McCorry had have stayed with the 'Bridge throughout the 00's they would have at least an Ulster title if not an All Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 19, 2014, 03:55:15 PM
Both Mayobridge and Kilcoo had spent years developing their squads before McCorry's arrival (I remember the bridge identifying those lads when they were only 12 years old as the future championship winning players for the club). Both clubs invested heavily their time and efforts to develop a collection of young players and bring them through to be a classy senior squad. It is true that Jim has not gone to club and developed a team from U12s and formed them. He has selectively gone to clubs where a rich resource has been available and he has then fine-tuned and honed it to be the best in the county.

Whats' the problem? He has not been appointed youth development officer for Down. As senior county manager he is being handed the very best talent we have. He will be asked to take a set of top quality players who have been developed by others (club, school, university, county, Collingwood!!) and fine-tune and get the best out of them.

Seems' to me that that is his primary talent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Agent Orange on September 19, 2014, 04:12:57 PM
Is McCorry Downs first outside manager?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on September 19, 2014, 04:33:40 PM
Quote from: Agent Orange on September 19, 2014, 04:12:57 PM
Is McCorry Downs first outside manager?

No, Jackie McManus in the late 80's is an Antrim man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 19, 2014, 05:08:43 PM
I cant see how anyone can argue with this appointment.  It is the obvious choice, in fact probably the only choice the co board could have made give the candidates available.  McCorry will bring huge appetite for the job and will demand the same, and more, from the players.  The King is dead, long live the King!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on September 19, 2014, 08:47:55 PM
Mayobridge two goals in first two minutes :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on September 19, 2014, 11:19:25 PM
Referee was a joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 19, 2014, 11:25:38 PM
Decent game tonight - bridge started with a blast and then faded badly.  Kilcoo were settled after 10 minutes and from then dictated the pace of the remainder of the game.  In Niall Mc Evoy Kilcoo have the best defender in this county - Caolan Gallagher has been scoring freely for mayobridge in the last few games and tonight - nothing.  COnleth O'Hare found wanting again and again - carrying this through from his underage days.  Benny falling very easily when the slightest of contact was put on him was a joke.  Benny is 6 foot plus and don't need to be going down the Lavery route to get attention.  He caught a few kickouts which were more his style but huffed and puffed around the place - chalk put manners on him in first half with a chop.  Benny was a pale shadow of himself after that... Last ten mins and the game in the melting pot - put your best man marker on Laverty and stop him dictating the play and creating the links to the others around him.  But this shows Walshs inept managerial experience when he didn't spot this.  Mc Crorry was cool calm and collected all night on the line and Walsh got agitated a few times over silly things.  Kilcoo move onto the county final and they will beat the pick of both Burren and the Stone together.  Work ethic, Togetherness, system of play and good footballers - they will win down at a canter.  Unless the other semi finalists can do a Donegal!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on September 19, 2014, 11:30:58 PM
You must have been watching a different game than me. Conleth o hsre was one of tbe best players on the field. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 19, 2014, 11:49:51 PM
As a neutral Id say Pauly2 you are either a wind up merchant or blind. Scoreline didn't reflect the game in my opinion. Kilcoo kicked some brutal wides. Jerome Johnston disappeared in the second half and with that Kilcoo's scoring threat.
Mayobridge exposed how open Kilcoo are at the back & if Pluggy Barry had passed when through instead of blazing over then the game may have swung in the favour of The Bridge.

Benny caught two or three balls nobody else in the County would field. He was spoiled all night by Paul Greenan and a stronger Ref might have curtailed this blatant tactic.

Kilcoo were good in patches particularly towards the end of the first half when Jerome Johnston kicked some lovely scores. But The Bridge put it up to them with Sean & Conleth O'Hare causing problems.

Kilcoo's performance was workmanlike rather than vintage and on another night they could have been out of the draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on September 20, 2014, 10:01:25 AM
A refereeing shocker from where I was sitting last night. Kilcoo's persistent and cynical fouling continued to go unpunished with Coulter receiving a torrent of late tackles, surely one of the top referees in the country should be able to spot these infractions and deal out the appropriate punishment (black card). Blatant penalty (foot block) on Conleth O'Hare as he took a shot at goal in 1st half that more or less swung the game, as Johnston scored from the resulting counter attack.

Having said that, the 'Bridge will be disappointed with their decision making at crucial points in 2nd half. They certainly rattled Kilcoo and effectively nullified the influences of O'Hanlon (who could have easily seen red on a few occasions), Ryan Johnston and Devlin. A few incorrect decisions from Ciaran Brannigan cost them a deserved spot in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on September 20, 2014, 10:41:09 AM
Quote from: speculative on September 20, 2014, 10:01:25 AM
A refereeing shocker from where I was sitting last night. Kilcoo's persistent and cynical fouling continued to go unpunished with Coulter receiving a torrent of late tackles, surely one of the top referees in the country should be able to spot these infractions and deal out the appropriate punishment (black card). Blatant penalty (foot block) on Conleth O'Hare as he took a shot at goal in 1st half that more or less swung the game, as Johnston scored from the resulting counter attack.

Having said that, the 'Bridge will be disappointed with their decision making at crucial points in 2nd half. They certainly rattled Kilcoo and effectively nullified the influences of O'Hanlon (who could have easily seen red on a few occasions), Ryan Johnston and Devlin. A few incorrect decisions from Ciaran Brannigan cost them a deserved spot in the final.
What a complete load of bawls the above biased opinion is. The Bridge got stuck into Kilcoo from the start and its what you would expect of Mayobridge, there was cynical fouling and rough play from both sets of players and on a different ref there could well have been 3 or 4 players from each side black carded. The game was as good as any I've seen this year.
As for Benny, yes the best player we've produced for 20 years but are you not allowed to tackle this man?
The best team won last night, to come from behind twice in the manner Kilcoo did was fantastic against a very good Bridge team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on September 20, 2014, 10:57:41 AM
Quote from: Oglach on September 20, 2014, 10:41:09 AM
Quote from: speculative on September 20, 2014, 10:01:25 AM
A refereeing shocker from where I was sitting last night. Kilcoo's persistent and cynical fouling continued to go unpunished with Coulter receiving a torrent of late tackles, surely one of the top referees in the country should be able to spot these infractions and deal out the appropriate punishment (black card). Blatant penalty (foot block) on Conleth O'Hare as he took a shot at goal in 1st half that more or less swung the game, as Johnston scored from the resulting counter attack.

Having said that, the 'Bridge will be disappointed with their decision making at crucial points in 2nd half. They certainly rattled Kilcoo and effectively nullified the influences of O'Hanlon (who could have easily seen red on a few occasions), Ryan Johnston and Devlin. A few incorrect decisions from Ciaran Brannigan cost them a deserved spot in the final.
What a complete load of bawls the above biased opinion is. The Bridge got stuck into Kilcoo from the start and its what you would expect of Mayobridge, there was cynical fouling and rough play from both sets of players and on a different ref there could well have been 3 or 4 players from each side black carded. The game was as good as any I've seen this year.
As for Benny, yes the best player we've produced for 20 years but are you not allowed to tackle this man?
The best team won last night, to come from behind twice in the manner Kilcoo did was fantastic against a very good Bridge team.

There's no bias here Oglach. Many neutrals from around me were of the same opinion. Yes, the Bridge did get stuck in, but was more often than not fair and on the ball. Of course you're allowed to tackle an opposing player, but not after the ball had left him 2 secs previous, it was because of this the GAA introduced the black card.

Kilcoo showed great resilience but I still think if the 'Bridge had have got their fair share of decisions, Kilcoo wouldn't be in the final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridge fan on September 20, 2014, 12:18:21 PM
Any thoughts on this surly this shud NOT be allowed

The 3 brannigans are  first cousins of Cairan Brannagand
Also the the kilcoo secretary O Hanlon works for Brannagan and also does umpire for him at county matches
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 20, 2014, 12:23:18 PM
I didn't get to the game as was working, had a few quid on the bridge. sounds close from reading the reports here. feck that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 20, 2014, 12:32:28 PM
Quote from: bridge fan on September 20, 2014, 12:18:21 PM
Any thoughts on this surly this shud NOT be allowed

The 3 brannigans are  first cousins of Cairan Brannagand
Also the the kilcoo secretary O Hanlon works for Brannagan and also does umpire for him at county matches

Clutching at straws here lads.  There are many instances where the relations of the referee comes into question but take the beating on the chin and move on.  Next season will be interesting for the bridge.  they will be needing a new manager if walsh takes up with down though.  big woods is obvious choice..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on September 20, 2014, 02:16:06 PM
It's simple it should not happen he should not have Been the referee it was blatant that he could not be impartial and was boarding line cheating have been out at an under age match this morning and he is all the talk which I am sure is what he set out to do so he will be happy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on September 20, 2014, 08:16:14 PM
@OfficialDownGAA: Morgan Fuels SFC result from Pairc Esler Burren 2.17 Longstone 1.07 well done Burren on reaching this years final to play Kilcoo on 5th Oct

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 20, 2014, 09:12:11 PM
John Clarke was outstanding for the kingdom tonight i thought, nerves of steel at the end, made that free look very simple.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 20, 2014, 09:35:23 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 20, 2014, 09:12:11 PM
John Clarke was outstanding for the kingdom tonight i thought, nerves of steel at the end, made that free look very simple.
good job there was a bit of excitement in the 1st game because the 2nd game never got going. the stone never got going and burren won at ease. the match never got near the level of intensity or passion of last nights semi final. burren going into final as favourites?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 20, 2014, 09:54:26 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 20, 2014, 09:35:23 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 20, 2014, 09:12:11 PM
John Clarke was outstanding for the kingdom tonight i thought, nerves of steel at the end, made that free look very simple.
good job there was a bit of excitement in the 1st game because the 2nd game never got going. the stone never got going and burren won at ease. the match never got near the level of intensity or passion of last nights semi final. burren going into final as favourites?

it could have been a worse hiding, both longstone midfielders should have been sent off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 20, 2014, 11:43:49 PM
The Bridge v Kilcoo match has had a lot of contrasting comments. As neutral I would say all the comments have been too one sided so far. This was a fairly bad tempered and frequently violent game that the referee lost control off early on.

To suggest that one side was physical but fair and the other side was brutal and should have had several players sent off for seriously aggressive fouls is total crap. Both sides committed some violent fouls. I will not pick out any in particular, but both sets of forwards were hacked and battered.

From my view one side was not better or worse than the other. Kilcoo do inspire a higher level of aggression in teams they play against than probably anyone else but that is no excuse for the choice those opposition teams make.

As for the ref, I did not see bias, I saw incompetence. He lost control and bottled many decisions. He was not helped by mass brawls. The referee was not the deciding factor in this game. How about when you are a minute into injury time you don't leave a completely unmarked opposition forward inside your own 21!

But lets be positive too - That was a hell of a night of entertainment, no-one was bored watching that match
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 21, 2014, 12:13:07 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on September 20, 2014, 11:43:49 PM
The Bridge v Kilcoo match has had a lot of contrasting comments. As neutral I would say all the comments have been too one sided so far. This was a fairly bad tempered and frequently violent game that the referee lost control off early on.

To suggest that one side was physical but fair and the other side was brutal and should have had several players sent off for seriously aggressive fouls is total crap. Both sides committed some violent fouls. I will not pick out any in particular, but both sets of forwards were hacked and battered.

From my view one side was not better or worse than the other. Kilcoo do inspire a higher level of aggression in teams they play against than probably anyone else but that is no excuse for the choice those opposition teams make.

As for the ref, I did not see bias, I saw incompetence. He lost control and bottled many decisions. He was not helped by mass brawls. The referee was not the deciding factor in this game. How about when you are a minute into injury time you don't leave a completely unmarked opposition forward inside your own 21!

But lets be positive too - That was a hell of a night of entertainment, no-one was bored watching that match

100 percent correct. The Bridge brought an intensity that surprised everyone, in your face tactics and mixed it with kilcoo and kilcoo responded. The referee let her go Kilcoo came out on top. I do believe most genuine bridge Gaels will take their beating and realise it can't always be the referees fault. He let her go but was same both ways.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on September 21, 2014, 12:25:15 AM
Quote from: bridge fan on September 20, 2014, 12:18:21 PM
Any thoughts on this surly this shud NOT be allowed

The 3 brannigans are  first cousins of Cairan Brannagand
Also the the kilcoo secretary O Hanlon works for Brannagan and also does umpire for him at county matches

I have a few thoughts on this bridge fan.

First point, the three Branagans may be related to Ciaran Branagan, but are you telling us all here that due to the parochial nature of the GAA, there are not other cases of referees being in charge of games in which they have relations playing in? If the referee and relations were members of the same club then there would be an issue here, however, Ciaran Branagan isn't a member of the Kilcoo club and showed no bias towards any Kilcoo player for the duration of the game. He has been in charge of a few Kilcoo games this year and again, being a top inter county referee showed no bias towards any Kilcoo player. This should not be an issue at all here, and I am sure most people will agree that Ciaran Branagan shows no bias towards anyone he referees, be it Kilcoo or any other team in the county or outside. Petty argument, graciously accept your defeat like the majority of 'Bridge supporters and look at the positives of what an intense and exciting game that was on show last night!

Also on your point about O'Hanlon, he's not Kilcoo secretary. So I'd advise that before you come on here and spout out such a heap of nonsense, to go and get your facts right and then you can be taken seriously. Keyboard warrior clutching at straws, grow up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on September 21, 2014, 07:54:45 AM
I think the thing that will eat away  at the players is they hsd 2/3 good chances in last five minutes for points, didnt take any of them. Point was a big score then.
The team that has put mayobridge out of the championship in the last 18 years has went on to win it. Well done kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on September 21, 2014, 10:11:47 AM
Mayobridge never got a free kick inside the 50 metre line I think that says a lot
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 21, 2014, 11:52:34 AM
Quote from: superblues on September 21, 2014, 10:11:47 AM
Mayobridge never got a free kick inside the 50 metre line I think that says a lot
as a neutral at the match, I thought the ref was tough on mayobridge. thought they had to work a lot harder to get frees than kilcoo. in saying that the best team won and I think they'll also win the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on September 21, 2014, 01:45:41 PM
If Mayobridge never got a free inside the 45 i think it says more about the kilcoo defence  than the referee.
The Bridge scored 5 points in over an hours football, simply not enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on September 21, 2014, 05:13:04 PM
Quote from: Oglach on September 21, 2014, 01:45:41 PM
If Mayobridge never got a free inside the 45 i think it says more about the kilcoo defence  than the referee.
The Bridge scored 5 points in over an hours football, simply not enough.

YEAH, they were lucky Our Ciaran was refereeing!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 21, 2014, 08:00:27 PM
Who will be favourites for the cship now?? Burren with a huge win last night against a team that struggled to get out of first gear v's kilcoo who struggled in a highly intense battle???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 22, 2014, 02:30:08 PM
The senior championship final is set for 5th October in Newry, would I be correct in assuming that the intermediate will be at the same venue and date?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on September 22, 2014, 03:20:07 PM
Is it usually minors before seniors, and Intermediate and Junior?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 22, 2014, 03:56:12 PM
5th Oct Minor & Senior

12th Oct Int & Jnr
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 24, 2014, 10:27:51 AM
What would the feeling be for the An Riocht vBallymartin replay? I missed the game so don't have an opinion but how do people think it will go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on September 24, 2014, 09:19:14 PM
Just a few thoughts on last weekend's games. 

In the first game the ref was brutal, Kilcoo got away with so much on the field it wasn't funny, many supporters in the crowd were a disgrace (MDG, you need to get your fist pump a little harder and you need to work on your stare when you turn round to the crowd after a score for the mighty magpies).  Many Mayobridge players were assaulted on the field but not even as much as a card.  How can a referee objectively make major calls against his cousins in the heat of the moment, it's just not possible.  Mayobridge were on top early on when playing football, Kilcoo sucked them into a battle after this and when Mayobridge tried to mix it with them there was only going to be one winner.

In the second senior game Burren always looked like winning.  Early promise by Longstone was soon wiped out as Burren imposed themselves on the game.  Wayward finishing by Burren kept Longstone in the game for long periods and the worrying thing for Burren must be the number of chances missed.  I have no sympathy for Kevin Mc Kernan as he plugged his marker in the middle of the field off the ball, Ambrose put the shoulder in him and received a yellow card for it but Mc Kernan got off.  A minute later I'm sure he wished hadn't done what he did when Conor Poland carried through on a tackle to take Mc Kernan out late.  You know what they say, what goes around comes around.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 25, 2014, 08:30:12 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on September 24, 2014, 09:19:14 PM
Just a few thoughts on last weekend's games. 

In the first game the ref was brutal, Kilcoo got away with so much on the field it wasn't funny, many supporters in the crowd were a disgrace (MDG, you need to get your fist pump a little harder and you need to work on your stare when you turn round to the crowd after a score for the mighty magpies).  Many Mayobridge players were assaulted on the field but not even as much as a card.  How can a referee objectively make major calls against his cousins in the heat of the moment, it's just not possible.  Mayobridge were on top early on when playing football, Kilcoo sucked them into a battle after this and when Mayobridge tried to mix it with them there was only going to be one winner.

In the second senior game Burren always looked like winning.  Early promise by Longstone was soon wiped out as Burren imposed themselves on the game.  Wayward finishing by Burren kept Longstone in the game for long periods and the worrying thing for Burren must be the number of chances missed.  I have no sympathy for Kevin Mc Kernan as he plugged his marker in the middle of the field off the ball, Ambrose put the shoulder in him and received a yellow card for it but Mc Kernan got off.  A minute later I'm sure he wished hadn't done what he did when Conor Poland carried through on a tackle to take Mc Kernan out late.  You know what they say, what goes around comes around.


so to summarise, kilcoo thuggery bad, longstone thuggery good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 26, 2014, 11:14:18 PM
Just home from the Ballymartin v An Riocht replay. Have to say fair play to both these sides they gave us an excellent match on Saturday and served up another thriller tonight. The match tonight was a good honest hard hitting game with the Kingdom looking good early on with John Clarke involved in most good things but Ballymartin kept playing their football and kept in touch throughout until hitting the front in the closing minutes to win a match that in fairness they deserved. They have a number of decent footballers and looked very fit so fair play to all connected with the team. Good win for the Ballymartin men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 26, 2014, 11:46:31 PM
Quote from: thebar on September 26, 2014, 11:14:18 PM
Just home from the Ballymartin v An Riocht replay. Have to say fair play to both these sides they gave us an excellent match on Saturday and served up another thriller tonight. The match tonight was a good honest hard hitting game with the Kingdom looking good early on with John Clarke involved in most good things but Ballymartin kept playing their football and kept in touch throughout until hitting the front in the closing minutes to win a match that in fairness they deserved. They have a number of decent footballers and looked very fit so fair play to all connected with the team. Good win for the Ballymartin men.

Ballymartin have scalped Liatroim and An Riocht in the past two rounds. They will definitely provide Warrenpoint with their sternest game to date in the final. Paul Higgins has done a fine job. Young Ryan O'Hare's scoring expolits have been instrumental too.

In regards to the MFC final. Hard to believe that Burren havent won at this grade since 1996 and Shamrocks as far back as 1989.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 27, 2014, 10:56:05 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 26, 2014, 11:46:31 PM
Quote from: thebar on September 26, 2014, 11:14:18 PM
Just home from the Ballymartin v An Riocht replay. Have to say fair play to both these sides they gave us an excellent match on Saturday and served up another thriller tonight. The match tonight was a good honest hard hitting game with the Kingdom looking good early on with John Clarke involved in most good things but Ballymartin kept playing their football and kept in touch throughout until hitting the front in the closing minutes to win a match that in fairness they deserved. They have a number of decent footballers and looked very fit so fair play to all connected with the team. Good win for the Ballymartin men.

Ballymartin have scalped Liatroim and An Riocht in the past two rounds. They will definitely provide Warrenpoint with their sternest game to date in the final. Paul Higgins has done a fine job. Young Ryan O'Hare's scoring expolits have been instrumental too.

In regards to the MFC final. Hard to believe that Burren havent won at this grade since 1996 and Shamrocks as far back as 1989.


First under 16 and under 14 championship wins in over 20 years as well.  Been a poor run for a club of that stature.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on September 28, 2014, 07:15:06 PM
Big win for down ladies today, so congratulations to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 28, 2014, 08:16:51 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on September 28, 2014, 07:15:06 PM
Big win for down ladies today, so congratulations to them.
+1. very impressive performance. the girls are showing how its done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on September 28, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
Brilliant performance from the Girls, desrving of more recognition than they currently receive
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 28, 2014, 08:57:26 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 28, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
Brilliant performance from the Girls, desrving of more recognition than they currently receive

+ serious performance. And the bainisteoir is in with McCorry next year from what I hear.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 28, 2014, 10:29:51 PM
Fantastic result for Down ladies. Also pleased for the 3 Mayobridge's girls.
Congratulations to all members of Down Ladies panel and to Mark Copeland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OnTheLine on September 29, 2014, 07:59:34 AM
A great win yesterday for the ladies. What was noticeable was the spread of clubs and the age profile of the team - I know ladies football in general has a younger age profile, but this is a young panel (if not team..). I think something like 10 of the panel came from the good minor squads of 2010 & 2011, and there were a few girls even younger - obviously someone's doing something right with underage development. The mix of more established players and younger ones has really worked this year. The step up to senior (as shown by the Dublin/Cork final) is steep, but there are the players there to compete well, given time, commitment and the right coaching.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 29, 2014, 12:56:01 PM
Wouldn't be one for the'ladies' football but yesterday was decently entertaining. (Couldn't watch the golf and this was the only football on tv)
Down took some lovely scores and did very well by all accounts. Fair play to them all.

Caught the Mourne derby on Friday night. Fairly decent game again. Ballymartin couldn't contain Clarke at all and every time he got the ball he scared the shite out of their defence. If he had another decent forward alongside him they would probably won the game.Ballymartin had the better forward line and they always looked the more dangerous even when the goals were conceded. Ye could sense Ballymartin not panicking and clawing their way back into the game to overtake the Kingdom with minutes remaining.
Twas a passionate encounter from a neutral perspective. Both sets of fans giving it socks and the players fairly getting lumped in. Kingdom would probably be disappointed with their season, no promotion gained and knocked out by their neighbours in last 4. Ballymartin are in the final on merit but to honest the pick of both these teams wouldn't put a scratch on a strong 'Point team. Wouldn't give them a prayer against the Point.

On the management issue, what is the actual story with McCorry's backroom team. Has it been made public yet or is it just speculation at this stage.?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 29, 2014, 02:17:27 PM
Would have to agree Ballymartin did struggle to contain Clarke and they will have a double handful in the final with Mc Garry and Mc Aleenan from Warrenpoint both in fine form this year. The one area of the pitch were I think Ballymartin may have some success is the middle of the park. The couple of times I watched the point this year, midfield would probably be the one area they struggle during games. Still think the Point will win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 29, 2014, 03:14:28 PM
The only one confirmed to go with Mc Corry is mark Copeland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on September 29, 2014, 07:56:55 PM
Is there a U20 r U21 Championship this year if so when?
and if so whos all in it so far?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 30, 2014, 01:41:32 PM
U21 I think.. I know Glenn are training for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 03, 2014, 01:05:58 PM
Danny Hughes didn't hold back in his column in today's Irish News, pretty scathing of the county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 03, 2014, 04:48:55 PM
What he say, in a nutshell.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 03, 2014, 05:08:02 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 03, 2014, 04:48:55 PM
What he say, in a nutshell.

no ambition.no investment.
Title: Danny Hughes
Post by: No1 on October 03, 2014, 07:16:17 PM
He took a fair old swipe at McCartan's management and his various selectors also.  Seemed a bitter enough article but nothing written that some supporters haven't said already.  It was kinda strange hearing it come from someone who would command a fair amount of respect in Down.
Title: Re: Danny Hughes
Post by: Line Ball on October 03, 2014, 10:46:51 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 03, 2014, 07:16:17 PM
He took a fair old swipe at McCartan's management and his various selectors also.  Seemed a bitter enough article but nothing written that some supporters haven't said already.  It was kinda strange hearing it come from someone who would command a fair amount of respect in Down.

What is strange is the fact that he failed to mention that his main gripe in a team meeting after the 2005 defeat by Tyrone was nothing to do with the selection or performance on the field but rather that the jerseys were too big and that he wanted them tighter to show the work he/they were doing in the gym.  He is only pushing one agenda and that is his own.  He also takes a swipe at the Ross/DJ era earlier in the piece about "over-promising players", eh?  What is over promising? I can only think it's about Ross promising 20 players that they would be in his starting team, he obviously forgot that that he could only play 15 and this ended up in being one "humdinger" of a meeting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 03, 2014, 11:31:33 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 03, 2014, 01:05:58 PM
Danny Hughes didn't hold back in his column in today's Irish News, pretty scathing of the county board.

Not the first time he has had a pop at his own county, distasteful, tacky and very disappointing from Danny, considering he was just a very ordinary player with bad habits in his game who Mc Cartan managed to get the best out off in 2010.

On the current management issue, Copeland as trainer would concern me, has this been confirmed or just hear say? What is Copeland's history in men's football? If Mc Corry was going to take anyone from Kilcoo surely it would have been Paddy Murray or Johnston, not the man who carries the water for them.

I have a feeling the backroom team will be announced immediately after the league and championship finals this weekend, it has to be, because open trials for the senior team start next wednesday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: orangeman on October 03, 2014, 11:35:43 PM
Ordinary player ?  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 04, 2014, 10:40:20 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 03, 2014, 11:31:33 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 03, 2014, 01:05:58 PM
Danny Hughes didn't hold back in his column in today's Irish News, pretty scathing of the county board.

Not the first time he has had a pop at his own county, distasteful, tacky and very disappointing from Danny, considering he was just a very ordinary player with bad habits in his game who Mc Cartan managed to get the best out off in 2010.

On the current management issue, Copeland as trainer would concern me, has this been confirmed or just hear say? What is Copeland's history in men's football? If Mc Corry was going to take anyone from Kilcoo surely it would have been Paddy Murray or Johnston, not the man who carries the water for them.

I have a feeling the backroom team will be announced immediately after the league and championship finals this weekend, it has to be, because open trials for the senior team start next wednesday night.

It hasn't been confirmed but it is speculated that Mark will be on McCorry's team. I wouldn't be too sure of his history but he has been involved with a few successful teams with Newry tech.

I think it's a bit disrespectful that you're stating that all Mark does is carry water to the players! He's an excellent trainer and has been one of the main reasons that Kilcoo have been flying fit! There's more to the man than carrying water
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 04, 2014, 11:53:22 AM
Quote from: orangeman on October 03, 2014, 11:35:43 PM
Ordinary player ?  :o

he was a very talented hard working player but he was wild greedy when playing for Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on October 04, 2014, 01:36:24 PM
away from this thread breaking news is that Jim McGuiness has stepped down from the Donegal post as manager-
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 04, 2014, 03:52:39 PM
Mark Copeland was announced at the same county board meetin as Jim Mc Corry was as part of Mc Corrys back room team by our chairman Seamus Walsh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 04, 2014, 04:35:21 PM
A lot of the articles that Danny has written-have been having a go at management and the county board. This is very poor taste from a good servant to Down who I would believe was well enough looked after during his playing days. People will soon get sick of listening to this personal gripe which he is sharing with the irish news readers. He isn't doing himself any favours with players and mentors that he has been involved with. Poor work I think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 04, 2014, 06:59:15 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 03, 2014, 05:08:02 PM
no ambition.no investment.

Throwing money at problems (also known as "investment" to some) would be an issue if the ol bank account is already looking bad.

I don't see how the county board are to blame for the same problem we've had in the past 20 years. No full back line of the standard required in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 04, 2014, 07:13:11 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on October 04, 2014, 06:59:15 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 03, 2014, 05:08:02 PM
no ambition.no investment.

Throwing money at problems (also known as "investment" to some) would be an issue if the ol bank account is already looking bad.

I don't see how the county board are to blame for the same problem we've had in the past 20 years. No full back line of the standard required in the county.

not my opinion, was just giving a very brief synopsis of Danny Hughes column in reply to Brick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 04, 2014, 08:52:16 PM
like it or not, what danny says is right. some people don't want to hear the truth. down are being left behind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bcarrier on October 04, 2014, 09:22:40 PM
Danny Hughes was a top class player.

Something lacking in the county now - schools not as strong as before ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 04, 2014, 09:38:47 PM
Down teams are often capable of doing the unexpected in a one-off game but our record in the three grades of the Ulster championship over the last two decades is poor by any standards.  We have managed none out of 20 at senior level, three out of 20 at u21 and one out of 20 at minor. In other words, we have won four of the last 60 Ulster titles available to us.

This year, in a familiar pattern, we were beaten in the first round of all three competitions. It would be wrong to focus unduly on one side, but it was still pretty alarming to watch our minors against what turned out to be a fairly ordinary Tyrone who were beaten by Monaghan in the next round. Tyrone were bigger, stronger and fitter than us in all sectors, and the match was over as a contest after about 15 minutes.

It is possible that we have been unlucky on a couple of occasions along the way but the evidence is that we are falling behind many of our main rivals. Danny Hughes has made his contribution to a wider debate, and it is up to everyone involved to say whether he is right or wrong.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 04, 2014, 09:41:29 PM
Hard to see past Kilcoo tomorrow?
Title: Re: Danny Hughes
Post by: johnneycool on October 04, 2014, 10:00:03 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 03, 2014, 10:46:51 PM

What is strange is the fact that he failed to mention that his main gripe in a team meeting after the 2005 defeat by Tyrone was nothing to do with the selection or performance on the field but rather that the jerseys were too big and that he wanted them tighter to show the work he/they were doing in the gym.  He is only pushing one agenda and that is his own.

This was the era of the god awful gaelic gear jerseys and they really were ill fitting.
Title: Re: Danny Hughes
Post by: 5 Sams on October 04, 2014, 10:05:16 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 04, 2014, 10:00:03 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 03, 2014, 10:46:51 PM

What is strange is the fact that he failed to mention that his main gripe in a team meeting after the 2005 defeat by Tyrone was nothing to do with the selection or performance on the field but rather that the jerseys were too big and that he wanted them tighter to show the work he/they were doing in the gym.  He is only pushing one agenda and that is his own.

This was the era of the god awful gaelic gear jerseys and they really were ill fitting.

+1. I remember Gregory's number being down round his arse somewhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on October 05, 2014, 06:56:11 PM
Conor Laverty got the best goal I have ever seen in a County Final today. Kilcoo the better team on the day though mistakes from Burren players and the ref made it more comfortable than it should have been. Noone will want to face them in Ulster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on October 05, 2014, 07:11:19 PM
Magpies were much better in 2nd half and deserved their win. Can't blame the ref on this one.
Congratulations to Bryansford on winning the league also, 1st since 1978 i believe.
                                    #UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 05, 2014, 07:38:05 PM
An emphatic third quarter, two disastrous mistakes by Cathal Murdoch and another virtuoso performance by mom Conor Laverty made it an embarrassing day for Burren. They had no half forward line and although they got two fine goals from O'Hare and Toner, Kilcoo were hungrier all over the field. I hope they give Ulster a good rattle but it was clear that Frank O'Hare was a minimum requirement for McCorry. Someone behind us asked who should replace him; his mate suggested Jim Mc Guinness. It tells you all you need to know about Kilcoo that the mate wasn't joking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 05, 2014, 07:50:26 PM
As Iain Dowie would say, it's like deja vu all over again
Quote from: Dubh driocht on October 20, 2013, 07:35:29 PM
Paddy Clarke ha ha ha, as they say in Kilcoo.Burren were tactically inept and badly short on the hunger front too. With a strong breeze in the first half, to continue to pump in high balls to Eoin Mc Cartan was playing in to the hands (literally) of the Kilcoo full-back line.For me, Kilcoo won the game in the first half as they were much sharper and were unlucky not to go in further ahead when Daragh O'Hanlon's shot came back off the upright.Gerard Mc Cartan did a good job on Laverty but the Burren half-forward line continually won good ball before coughing up possession too easily- credit to the Magpies.Burren were a bit more composed in the third quarter , with the Mc Ardles almost alone in realising that they had to do more than just turn up to regain Frank O'Hare. However, O'Hanlon, Laverty and the Devlins finished strongly and deserved to retain the title although I don't see them being as close to Cross this year. Decent crowd in Newry- good organisation bar the PA ( again, again, again) but poor game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 05, 2014, 09:09:56 PM
cracking first half, after a strong start from kilcoo burren got stuck in and were unlucky to go in a point down, great start to the second from the magpies with Laverty and Jerome kicking two sublime points. I felt the turning point was when O'Hare had a goal chance saved, and unfortunately two goal keeping errors didn't help although its very unlikely the outcome would have been any different, kilcoo were outstanding in the second half, the burren defense were carved open for ryan johnstone goal, lavertys goal was sublime, my only fear for kilcoo in ulster was the number of goal chances burren did create. good luck to them in ulster, they are the best in down by a country mile.
ps thought the ref had a decent enough game. only glaring error was no action taken after one of the brannigans gave ohare a backhander.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 05, 2014, 09:11:48 PM
Kilcoo were a credit to their manager, and we could be in for an interesting time if he can sent out a county side as well organised as his club team were today. The cautionary note for Kilcoo in the Ulster championship was that Burren, apart from a spell in the middle of the first half, were amazingly poor. They had no leadership, it was very hard to see what their game plan was and they had effectively thrown in the towel with a quarter of the match still left.

However, Kilcoo will not worry about that and they are not going to fear any of the clubs in the provincial series. Their midfield is fairly ordinary but their defence is impressive and their attack has a touch of class. The star was of course Conor Laverty and he might well claim a touch for the fourth goal. However, his other goal was a thing of beauty. When he caught the ball on the edge of the square, he was cool enough to take his time, allow both the keeper and the full back to commit themselves, dance round both tackles and plant the ball in the net.

He will not get as much space further down the line but the way in which he brings his team-mates into the play is a joy to watch. Although Down clubs have a very poor record in the Ulster championship over the last quarter of a century, Kilcoo will given anyone a game this autumn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on October 05, 2014, 10:22:53 PM
Kilcoo have a great attitude to defending, they are tenacious and ferocious but I would query the statement that they have a good defence. Mayobridge and Burren both carved them open on many occasions. The half back line is a major asset but it is clear the full back line is allowing a route to goal. (Surprising when the full back is on of the best defenders in Down). If they keep allowing teams that much opportunity it will eventually lead to them being punished.

However today they were fantastic going forward and by far the best team in the county. They totally deserved to win. I hope they can bring an Ulster title back to Down.

By the way I have to say I thought the referee put in one of the best displays I have seen all season. Kilcoo matches are always difficult to referee but I thought he did and excellent job of allowing the game to flow but also making teh correct calls when needed on frees.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 06, 2014, 12:09:20 AM
It's a fair point that Kilcoo have had a tendency to concede goals in their last two matches which could prove fatal against better opposition. However, while both of the Burren goals today were brilliant finishes, Kilcoo pulled the shutters down very effectively for most of the match. When the game was up for grabs in the second half, the Toner goal was the only score Burren managed from play or frees for about 20 minutes. The Kilcoo defence may not be the biggest or the strongest around, but it is very well organised.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on October 06, 2014, 08:36:26 AM
Can't say I agree that the ref had a good game. He was weak in dealing with several black card offences - he showed no bottle and how he didn't give Burren a penalty and Brannagan a red card for taking out O'Hare is beyond me. His umpires should share the blame for that one too. Thankfully he didn't effect the result as Kilcoo were far superior in the second half and would have won anyway but I wouldn't want him in charge of another big game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on October 06, 2014, 08:54:28 AM
I wonder what game some of you people were at when you say the referee was good.  Even Paddy Heaney in todays irish news says he missed blatant black card calls throughout the game.  I hope this man never gets another final.  A good weekend again though for east down with the ford winning the league and Kilcoo the championship.  Burren were outclassed for the majority of the game and can have no gripes with the final result.  Two goalkeeping errors were very costly but the third quarter play from Kilcoo was outstanding.  Ryan Johnston showed yesterday that he oozes class on the big stage and hopefully Jim can get the best out of him for the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on October 06, 2014, 10:35:13 AM
First of all reference Danny Hughes column in the Irish News on Friday. Think Danny is trying to go down the Joe Brolly route in being controversial. He's trying to build up a media profile and will be loving people talking about his column.  So job done.

County board seems to be a running joke. They can't even afford to pay the caterers, who I hear are owed a very large some of money. How long will it be util they go looking to Croke Park for a hand out? If they were a business, they would have been closed down a long time ago. There are people within the county board who are getting very well paid and are doing a terrible job. When will they be held accountable for this?

Kilcoo were in a different class yesterday. Conor Laverty and Ryan Johnston were the two best players on the pitch. Laverty was a joy to watch, was there ever a better goal scored in Pairc Esler? The ball into Laverty from James McLean was top class and and then Laverty done the rest! Big question now is how will Kilcoo fair next year with McCorry going to the county. Can they go four in row?

Burren were very poor yesterday. When Kilcoo upped the intensity in the 2nd half they didn't want to know. The seemed to throw in the towel, which is very unlike a Burren team. Had no leaders to step up and take it to Kilcoo. Was very disappointed in Kevin McKernan, you wouldn't have thought he was playing yesterday. Think Burren needa go in house for their next manager, I'd say Sean Ward will be the man for the job. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Feckitt on October 06, 2014, 12:43:55 PM
Ryan Johnston is some player, and is worth the entrance fee by himself.  Absolutely brilliant when running with the ball.

Bigness is a scary looking hoor.

I agree that the Laverty goal was one of the greatest ever in a championship final.

Anton McArdle is a huge miss for Burren.

At the end of the game, all the Kilcoo people were standing in the rain, waiting and waiting and waiting for the cup to be lifted but had to endure the official's speech, even though the PA system wasn't working.  Some people have no cop on at all!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on October 06, 2014, 04:37:48 PM
Imagine...noting harsh about it...town and country knows about it. County board is broke. Read Danny's column from Friday, he mentions it in there. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 06, 2014, 05:01:47 PM
Any update on the burren minor who got hurt yesterday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 06, 2014, 06:45:05 PM
Very proud Magpie today! Hopefully we can give Ulster a brave rattle now with Clontibret our next opponents.

Haven't heard anything more on the injury sustained by the Burren minor but do hope he makes a full and speedy recovery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on October 06, 2014, 09:13:22 PM
Kilcoo were outstanding yesterday, bar a 10 minute blip in the first half when they let Burren back into the game, they dominated. Burren's ineffectiveness on the line was staggering. Kilcoo's strength is flying forward from their half back line, how did Paddy Carr think that Foy and Murdock were gonna be effective against O'Hanlon and Co? Burren needed to bring a similar template the 'Bridge brought to even remotely stand a chance.

It will be interesting to see how Kilcoo will fair in Ulster. Head and heart say they will come up short again. It took them 180 mins to dispose of a depleted Crossmaglen last season and I can't see them posing a serious threat up against the same this year. They just seem to be that wee bit short of Ballinderry and Cross for me.

How will they fare next year without McCorry? Bridge are the only team who have looked capable of beating them this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on October 06, 2014, 09:29:43 PM
As a neutral at Yesterday's game I have to say I was disappointed in how poor Burren were. As someone has already pointed out absolutely no leadership and carrying too many passengers. Kilcoo looked physically dominant in terms of size and it showed.
Lavery was the best player on show and was a joy to watch, always showing for the ball and is completely unselfish. Ryan Johnston offered Kilcoo the ball carrier required to draw Burren to the ball and he done this all day long.

On the other hand Burren's big men all disappeared. McKernan was none existent, O'Hare was the opposite to Lavery, playing off the shoulder of Brannigan awaiting a mistake instead of getting out in front. Eamonn Toner was the only Burren player Kilcoo seemed to fear.

For all the talk of the athletes Burren have, Kilcoo simply bullied them and then outran them. In Midfield Kilcoo were happy to break and then pick up 9/10 breaking balls. Burren will have better days but in all honesty their team looked like it was packed full of Young Fellas not up to the physicality that Kilcoo bring. A perfect example of this was their Half Forward line.

I agree that Burren need to look In House for a new Manager. The days of splashing ridiculous sums on outsiders are making them look all the more foolish after Yesterday's drubbing and in all honesty it could have been more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on October 08, 2014, 11:46:14 PM
The junior game on Sunday seems like it will be a tighter afair than the intermediate. Would someone like to give me the rundown of both Drumaness' and Kilclief's best players? I already know of both Donal Kennedy and Brian McIlmurray from Drumaness but I'm not too familiar with any curren kilclief players!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 09, 2014, 11:49:30 AM
I'm sure Ballymartin will be looking forward to the intermediate final going in as underdogs on Sunday and relish the fact that most people think it is a given that Warrenpoint will win. Ballymartin have gotten to the final via some tough matches and this should help in the final, whereas Warrenpoint have not been tested yet on their way to the final. Hopefully it will be a tighter game than some people think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 09, 2014, 03:59:26 PM
'Point at a canter.
Nothing more to see here, move along please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 09, 2014, 07:59:45 PM
derry away in 1st round of ulster, then one of Donegal, tyrone or Armagh in semi final. if down are going to end their 20 year wait for another an ulster title its going to be done the hard way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on October 09, 2014, 08:13:12 PM
Ulster

Prelim
Donegal v Tyrone

Quarter
Armagh v Donegal/Tyrone, Cavan v Monaghan, Fermanagh v Antrim, Derry v Down

Semi
Derry/Down v Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone
Cavan/Monaghan v Fermanagh/Antrim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 09, 2014, 10:05:02 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 09, 2014, 07:59:45 PM
derry away in 1st round of ulster, then one of Donegal, tyrone or Armagh in semi final. if down are going to end their 20 year wait for another an ulster title its going to be done the hard way.

yet another away fixture. >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 09, 2014, 10:07:04 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on October 08, 2014, 11:46:14 PM
The junior game on Sunday seems like it will be a tighter afair than the intermediate. Would someone like to give me the rundown of both Drumaness' and Kilclief's best players? I already know of both Donal Kennedy and Brian McIlmurray from Drumaness but I'm not too familiar with any curren kilclief players!

The main Kilclief lads have been around for a few years, Ciaran Sloan, Ricky Kerr, Finty Conway, Aidan McCann, Liam Woods to name a few! Good luck to them on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 10, 2014, 03:15:10 PM
Has the minor game been moved til next Tuesday? I thought it was a triple header on Sunday,but according to the fixture list on the down website it's next Tuesday?

Also does anyone have the leagues/fixtures or the u21's?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 10, 2014, 05:41:21 PM
The brother of one of the burren mentors has died I would say that's why the minor game is shifted
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 10, 2014, 08:19:30 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 09, 2014, 10:07:04 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on October 08, 2014, 11:46:14 PM
The junior game on Sunday seems like it will be a tighter afair than the intermediate. Would someone like to give me the rundown of both Drumaness' and Kilclief's best players? I already know of both Donal Kennedy and Brian McIlmurray from Drumaness but I'm not too familiar with any curren kilclief players!

The main Kilclief lads have been around for a few years, Ciaran Sloan, Ricky Kerr, Finty Conway, Aidan McCann, Liam Woods to name a few! Good luck to them on Sunday.

Always had a lot of respect for Kilclief.
Dual club with a small catchment area but always managed to sustain themselves at intermediate in the football.
Good IFC win in 2011 and I think they will sign off with the junior on Sunday.
Ciaran Sloan probably one of the most prolific and consistent club players over the past decade.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 10, 2014, 09:00:32 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 10, 2014, 08:19:30 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 09, 2014, 10:07:04 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on October 08, 2014, 11:46:14 PM
The junior game on Sunday seems like it will be a tighter afair than the intermediate. Would someone like to give me the rundown of both Drumaness' and Kilclief's best players? I already know of both Donal Kennedy and Brian McIlmurray from Drumaness but I'm not too familiar with any curren kilclief players!

The main Kilclief lads have been around for a few years, Ciaran Sloan, Ricky Kerr, Finty Conway, Aidan McCann, Liam Woods to name a few! Good luck to them on Sunday.

Always had a lot of respect for Kilclief.
Dual club with a small catchment area but always managed to sustain themselves at intermediate in the football.
Good IFC win in 2011 and I think they will sign off with the junior on Sunday.
Ciaran Sloan probably one of the most prolific and consistent club players over the past decade.


Always a hoor of a place to get 2 points. I'm old enough to have played against Ben Dearg!! They took no prisoners.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 10, 2014, 09:11:40 PM
are the junior and intermediate tommorow evening or sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 10, 2014, 09:28:22 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 10, 2014, 09:11:40 PM
are the junior and intermediate tommorow evening or sunday?
sunday. junior 2pm. intermediate 4pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 10, 2014, 09:51:24 PM
QuoteAlways a hoor of a place to get 2 points. I'm old enough to have played against Ben Dearg!! They took no prisoners.

Going by the stories, football on a Sunday afternoon in the parish back then was a minor detail, the cure and violence were the main priorities! Friday night games transformed our fortunes, make of that what you will!  :D

I'm also pretty sure the Harps were no shrinking violets!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 10, 2014, 10:58:17 PM
Quote from: No1 on October 10, 2014, 09:51:24 PM
QuoteAlways a hoor of a place to get 2 points. I'm old enough to have played against Ben Dearg!! They took no prisoners.

Going by the stories, football on a Sunday afternoon in the parish back then was a minor detail, the cure and violence were the main priorities! Friday night games transformed our fortunes, make of that what you will!  :D

I'm also pretty sure the Harps were no shrinking violets!

We weren't !!! Might see you in Newry tomorrow. Good luck my friend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on October 12, 2014, 08:31:32 AM
Any word on Mc Corrys backroom team yet? Been kept very quiet this far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on October 12, 2014, 09:37:00 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 12, 2014, 08:31:32 AM
Any word on Mc Corrys backroom team yet? Been kept very quiet this far.

He's quoted in Irish news that he'd be sorting over the weekend with maybe announcement Monday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 13, 2014, 11:55:43 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 12, 2014, 08:31:32 AM
Any word on Mc Corrys backroom team yet? Been kept very quiet this far.

I see Clonduff congratulating Mark Copeland on FB. Any official news yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on October 14, 2014, 10:59:03 AM
John Morgan (Annaclone coach this year) also with Mc Corry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 14, 2014, 11:40:59 AM
Quote from: downup on October 14, 2014, 10:59:03 AM
John Morgan (Annaclone coach this year) also with Mc Corry

Are you serious? Where did this emerge from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on October 14, 2014, 01:44:22 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 14, 2014, 11:40:59 AM
Quote from: downup on October 14, 2014, 10:59:03 AM
John Morgan (Annaclone coach this year) also with Mc Corry

Are you serious? Where did this emerge from?

John was part of the successful minor team of Desi Kennedy and Mark Turley for a number of years. best of luck to him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on October 16, 2014, 05:12:12 PM
McCorry said there'd be announcement Monday/Tuesday but here we are Thursday evening.

Let's hope this is the last time he over promises and under delivers!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on October 16, 2014, 06:12:51 PM
i think you can add Martin McGarry from CPN as part of that successful minor management team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on October 17, 2014, 08:49:00 AM
Quote from: washed_up on October 16, 2014, 06:12:51 PM
i think you can add Martin McGarry from CPN as part of that successful minor management team

how could i forget lol apologies
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 17, 2014, 08:12:37 PM
I detect a bit of a bit of cynicism about these appointments. From what I know of him, John Morgan is a good trainer and knows his football. Copeland came across well with the women and I'm told he's impressive. Sounds like Moyna is out but I would be happy enough with these appointments.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on October 19, 2014, 10:04:57 AM
Does anyone know if there is radio or any link to see the games from Parc Esler today?-i would be very grateful for any information-cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 19, 2014, 11:06:48 AM
Quote from: washed_up on October 19, 2014, 10:04:57 AM
Does anyone know if there is radio or any link to see the games from Parc Esler today?-i would be very grateful for any information-cheers

Radio ulster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Agent Orange on October 19, 2014, 03:56:06 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 19, 2014, 11:06:48 AM
Quote from: washed_up on October 19, 2014, 10:04:57 AM
Does anyone know if there is radio or any link to see the games from Parc Esler today?-i would be very grateful for any information-cheers

Radio ulster

Memorial service for Paisley on radio Ulster.

www.northernsound.ie 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 19, 2014, 05:36:24 PM
Was on Radio Ulster medium wave. Sounded like a dramatic finish, possible square ball but Kilcoo had chances to seal it earlier with Paul Devlin wasting an easy chance before Niall Brannigan got his second yellow. Disappointed for the Magpies, they were clearly focussed on an Ulster title as minimum return.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 19, 2014, 07:06:47 PM
No question of square ball due to new rules. Kilcoo were second best I felt and lucky to be 2 up with 1min injury time to go. Clontibret got many scores from frees, many of which were moved in by the ref. as for the end, If they had fouled further out the field (as they did during the rest of the match) then the goal never would have happened. Clontibret big and strong and packed defence strangled the kilcoo threat. They have some strong and powerful players. Hard lines to kilcoo though hard way to lose. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 19, 2014, 08:07:31 PM
Quote from: outinfront on October 19, 2014, 07:06:47 PM
No question of square ball due to new rules. Kilcoo were second best I felt and lucky to be 2 up with 1min injury time to go. Clontibret got many scores from frees, many of which were moved in by the ref. as for the end, If they had fouled further out the field (as they did during the rest of the match) then the goal never would have happened. Clontibret big and strong and packed defence strangled the kilcoo threat. They have some strong and powerful players. Hard lines to kilcoo though hard way to lose.

They certainly tried, PD tried to drag down the guy running from midfield but the lad was too strong and shrugged him off, ref let the play continue. Kilcoo had no answers to the blanket, that goal attempt that came off the post proved to be crucial. Not from there but genuinely gutted for them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 19, 2014, 08:44:50 PM
gutted for kilcoo after that late heartbreak. thought they would have given ulster a good rattle this year. kilcoo had no answer to clontibrets defensive tactics and found them hard to break down. you would never have thought kilcoo had an extra man for a good part of the match. a 2 point lead has shown again to be a very perilous lead. im sure kilcoo will be kicking themselves they didn't manage to drag the clontibret player down at the end.
the long wait for a down club team to win an ulster title goes on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 19, 2014, 08:51:49 PM
Thanks lads. We r gutted but that's football, we no we where far from r best today but there won't be any complaints from us about referees, their negative approach etc.. In the end of the day we didn't play well enough and where hit by a sucker punch. Well done clontibret and good luck in the next round. Kilcoo will be back. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 19, 2014, 09:37:40 PM
Agree Charlie. Bulldozed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on October 20, 2014, 09:57:02 AM
Very poor game of football. Clontibert were out on their feet with 10 to go and Kilcoo just couldn't capitalise, wasting opportunity after opportunity. I wouldn't think Clontibert will pose much of a challenge to St. Gall's anyway.

Disappointing for Kilcoo but with all due respect they are a shade off winning an Ulster Title and yesterday proved that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 20, 2014, 11:44:03 AM
Wasn't a great game to watch, a lot of wayward passing and handling errors. That's as bad as I have seen Kilcoo play and they didn't take full advantage of having the extra man for a significant part of the game . I thought the thing that caught them out in the end was the fact the referee awarded frees ( and then moved them up ) for tackles that Kilcoo got away with in the Down 1/4 and semi finals. Mc Manus then quite happily stroked them over. Can't see the winners progressing to the semis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on October 23, 2014, 01:29:55 PM
Clubs are now on the hunt for new managers or re-appoint the current ones. Below is what I have heard so far, anyone add or amend this?

Bryansford - Dawson 
Mayobridge  - Walsh
Castlewellan - Shorty????? Not sure
Burren - Could be a change on the cards here
Kilcoo - ???????? Def on the lookout for someone
RGU Downpatrick - Kane
Clonduff - Current managers not re-appointed so on the lookout
Longstone - Mc Gee, though heard he may be leaving
Glenn - Not sure but would imagine the same as this year
Rostrevor  - Word on street is Sean Ward
Ballyholland - Poacher
Saval - Not sure
Annaclone - Not sure, John Morgan has moved on so don't no if that affects Mc Avoy's position
Liatroim - On the lookout for new manager
Warrenpoint - Same as this year
Banbridge - Wilson

Last years relegated teams:
Tullylish - On the lookout as Poland not re-appointed
Loughinisland - On the lookout as managers quit before end of season

Some is this is street talk but don't think its too far off the mark.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on October 25, 2014, 06:40:20 PM
Gearoid Adams installed with Clonduff during the week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 25, 2014, 07:01:08 PM
Heard that last night about Adams but didn't believe the man who told me. What happened the two boys that were there were they chased or jumped ship ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nailer on October 26, 2014, 07:50:11 PM
Any word on what is happening with Burrenbridge, ready recently in the Irish News that the 400 grand deposit paid by county board went up in smoke.
Has the project been abandoned?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on October 26, 2014, 10:16:54 PM
Think it was parting by mutual consent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 26, 2014, 10:45:10 PM
How could you describe it as a 'parting of mutual consent' when it has cost us nearly £400,000?  The obvious greed, and incompetence, of the county board cost us dearly.  There was a serious offer of around £13m on the table for St Patrick's Park at the height of the building boom but in their wisdom the county board wanted to hold out for £17m (with planning permission), apparently, and the arse dropped out of the market in the mean time.  It's actually not very surprising when you think of the men who are running our county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 27, 2014, 08:53:58 AM
I think he was maybe referring to the Clonduff post about the management team departing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on October 27, 2014, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 27, 2014, 08:53:58 AM
I think he was maybe referring to the Clonduff post about the management team departing.

Many's a good fight started with an understanding!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: S.Poacher2012 on October 29, 2014, 11:43:59 AM
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"Building elements of a game-plan into training sessions"

- Clearly defined game-plan goals

- Fundamentals of play with and without the ball

- Transitions during games

**Practical Session Outdoor**

11.45am: Tea/Coffee/Snack

12.00pm: Conor Laverty (Trinity College Gaa Development Officer)

"Developing Attacking Play in your team"

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on October 31, 2014, 02:13:09 PM
 Keith was an improvement this year from the last few years.
Adams may do better again!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on October 31, 2014, 09:42:48 PM
Rosskarr, hard to understand what you are saying? Did Clonduff improve last year? If so , why have they changed manager. From my own point of view it's unfair to give a man 1 year and expect miracles. I thought Clonduff were doing well under Benny Corrigan and got rid off too soon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on October 31, 2014, 10:43:24 PM
Just thought Championship wise they were better than 2013
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on November 01, 2014, 09:02:19 PM
Just after hearing that frank Dawson is to take on the role of u 21 manager for Down as part of Mc Corrys back room team. Anyone else hear anything ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 01, 2014, 09:11:19 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on November 01, 2014, 09:02:19 PM
Just after hearing that frank Dawson is to take on the role of u 21 manager for Down as part of Mc Corrys back room team. Anyone else hear anything ?

Did the minors change management? Last may in Omagh was the  worst performance ive ever seen in my time from a Down minor team in the championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 01, 2014, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 01, 2014, 09:11:19 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on November 01, 2014, 09:02:19 PM
Just after hearing that frank Dawson is to take on the role of u 21 manager for Down as part of Mc Corrys back room team. Anyone else hear anything ?

Did the minors change management? Last may in Omagh was the  worst performance ive ever seen in my time from a Down minor team in the championship

If you knew enough about what the minor manager had at his disposal then you might be able to understand why we were so bad...Shane Mulholland is still there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on November 01, 2014, 09:17:33 PM
this year was poor. last year down had a great squad and still didnt deliver. so whats going to be diferent this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 01, 2014, 09:32:32 PM
Will Dawson take on the role of a selector or is he just the new U21 manager?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 01, 2014, 09:36:07 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 01, 2014, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 01, 2014, 09:11:19 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on November 01, 2014, 09:02:19 PM
Just after hearing that frank Dawson is to take on the role of u 21 manager for Down as part of Mc Corrys back room team. Anyone else hear anything ?

Did the minors change management? Last may in Omagh was the  worst performance ive ever seen in my time from a Down minor team in the championship

If you knew enough about what the minor manager had at his disposal then you might be able to understand why we were so bad...Shane Mulholland is still there.

I don't live in the  county anymore so don't know much about the minor standard to be honest. so whats the pick for next year any better. Still doesn't take away from the fact that the manager must take some of the blame for such a terrible performance.  It wasn't as if tyrone minors were that great either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 01, 2014, 09:39:51 PM
In my opinion the minors will mount a challenge next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on November 01, 2014, 09:49:21 PM
From Official Down GAA Facebook page

Down Senior Football Team Manager Jim McCorry is delighted to announce that Frank Dawson will be taking up the role of Under 21 coach as part of his backroom team.

Frank will work closely with Jim as Down go in search of their first Ulster Under 21 Title since 2009.

As for the Minors, there was more than enough potential in last year's panel to at least get past Tyrone.  If we are going to play a similar brand of football that Mulholland is renowned for then I can't see this year being any different.  What ever happened to trying to win a game rather than trying not to lose it?  Our Minors have been piss poor for the last 3 or four years and it hasn't been because of the players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 01, 2014, 09:59:02 PM
Great appointment IMO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 01, 2014, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 01, 2014, 09:59:02 PM
Great appointment IMO

any down men in the set up? are we that bad we need to rely on armagh and antrim men, ffs. ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffleKing on November 01, 2014, 10:48:43 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 01, 2014, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 01, 2014, 09:59:02 PM
Great appointment IMO

any down men in the set up? are we that bad we need to rely on armagh and antrim men, ffs. ?

Yip
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 01, 2014, 11:01:12 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 01, 2014, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 01, 2014, 09:59:02 PM
Great appointment IMO

any down men in the set up? are we that bad we need to rely on armagh and antrim men, ffs. ?

The two best coaches in Down football, couldn't care less where they are from.  We had all Ireland winners in the last under 21 setup and it was a shambles
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 01, 2014, 11:41:46 PM
It wa Neil Collins and Brendy McKernan want it ? Utter shambles
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 02, 2014, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 01, 2014, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 01, 2014, 09:59:02 PM
Great appointment IMO

any down men in the set up? are we that bad we need to rely on armagh and antrim men, ffs. ?

If that's the way you are looking at it we have entered sad times. Who cares where they are from!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 02, 2014, 11:29:38 AM
Quote from: supersub on November 02, 2014, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 01, 2014, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 01, 2014, 09:59:02 PM
Great appointment IMO

any down men in the set up? are we that bad we need to rely on armagh and antrim men, ffs. ?

If that's the way you are looking at it we have entered sad times. Who cares where they are from!

i suppose you are right. if it brings results thats all that matters. its been sad times for 20 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 02, 2014, 04:52:29 PM
great day for down teams in ulster today. there was ulster titles for portaferry in hurling and clonduff in camogie along with 1st round wins for drumaness and warrenpoint.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 02, 2014, 04:58:15 PM
Well done Portaferry!  There'll be some party down the ards tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on November 02, 2014, 05:27:59 PM
Congratulations to Portaferry on a super win and Congratulations also to Clonduff--a great day for Down in Ulster,Well done to CPN and Drumanness also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 02, 2014, 09:32:17 PM
Quote from: Lecale2 on November 02, 2014, 04:58:15 PM
Well done Portaferry!  There'll be some party down the ards tonight.


Well done alright, but the party will be restricted to the tip of the peninsula.

Murph got his medal at last so dingy can't slag him any more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on November 02, 2014, 11:48:34 PM
Congratulations to Warrenpoint on reaching the Ulster semi-final today. The point were a far better team but made heavy weather of it for themselves. But they defeated the champions from one of the strongest intermediate championships in Ulster.

Ross McGarry was outstanding I think he scored 8 points today,certainly scored CPN's first four in a row.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 03, 2014, 05:34:51 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on November 01, 2014, 09:49:21 PM
As for the Minors, there was more than enough potential in last year's panel to at least get past Tyrone. 

I'd be interested in hearing how you've come to this opinion.

It was hardly Fermanagh the minors lost to. Tyrone had 6 players back from the team that made an AI final the previous season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 03, 2014, 06:33:36 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on November 02, 2014, 11:48:34 PM
Congratulations to Warrenpoint on reaching the Ulster semi-final today. The point were a far better team but made heavy weather of it for themselves. But they defeated the champions from one of the strongest intermediate championships in Ulster.

Ross McGarry was outstanding I think he scored 8 points today,certainly scored CPN's first four in a row.
Shane Mulholland was in his first year and will be a lot wiser Year 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 03, 2014, 06:39:13 PM
He also has a wider selection to choose from
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 03, 2014, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 03, 2014, 06:39:13 PM
He also has a wider selection to choose from
Wider?  How so?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outback on November 03, 2014, 07:21:53 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 03, 2014, 06:33:36 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on November 02, 2014, 11:48:34 PM
Congratulations to Warrenpoint on reaching the Ulster semi-final today. The point were a far better team but made heavy weather of it for themselves. But they defeated the champions from one of the strongest intermediate championships in Ulster.

Ross McGarry was outstanding I think he scored 8 points today,certainly scored CPN's first four in a row.
Shane Mulholland was in his first year and will be a lot wiser Year 2.
Not really Mulholland's fault  to a degree but some of his selections weren't
great in terms of personnel of those who weren't on his Top 24 for the Tyrone
fixture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 03, 2014, 09:43:32 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 03, 2014, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 03, 2014, 06:39:13 PM
He also has a wider selection to choose from
Wider?  How so?
He has the pick of both Shamrocks Minors and Burren minors and U16 from this year, as well as clubs like Saul, carryduff, liatroim,mayobridge, rostrevor and ballyholland, teams who performed strongly in both U16 and minor division 1-2 this year. Also teams like Glenn who won the B championship this year in minor level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 04, 2014, 12:18:06 AM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 03, 2014, 09:43:32 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 03, 2014, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 03, 2014, 06:39:13 PM
He also has a wider selection to choose from
Wider?  How so?
He has the pick of both Shamrocks Minors and Burren minors and U16 from this year, as well as clubs like Saul, carryduff, liatroim,mayobridge, rostrevor and ballyholland, teams who performed strongly in both U16 and minor division 1-2 this year. Also teams like Glenn who won the B championship this year in minor level
So all these teams and Clubs are new to Down Football at U18 level and Mulholland didn't have Rostrevor as winners nor Mayobridge as runners-up nor Ballholland as B winners in 2013. Phew!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on November 04, 2014, 11:15:39 AM
Due to how late he was appointed the minor squad wasn't finalised march/April time meaning the team had no time to gel as a unit. That combined with the stupid idea that macrory players didn't join the panel until their teams were knocked out didn't help Shane
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on November 04, 2014, 06:07:57 PM
Thought that was the same every previous years that Mc Crory players don't join the panel to they are out of the schools competition. What really can be done about it that both Newry schools are normally in the running late on in the competition. But I think Shane will have the rest of them together a lot quicker this season to get a bit of unity and cohesion between them unlike last year where he didn't have much time together to gel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on November 04, 2014, 10:08:56 PM
This doesn't happen in the likes of donegal or tyrone shouldn't happen in down either schools have too much power in the matter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on November 04, 2014, 10:28:42 PM
It has always been the case. What can be done about it is the question. There is motions going to congress to try and address burn out at that age one of them tackles the schools issue by having the hogan finished by 17 march but as you know these things are hard to get passed at congress. It is always disruptive to any county that has a school progressing well in Mc Crory for boys to just appear after the school is knocked out and lads there flat out all through the winter. Even Tyrone has these probelms
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on November 05, 2014, 09:55:42 AM
NP76 you say that like MacRory lads aren't training "flat out" over the winter. MacRory winter training is gruesome, sprinting up hills in Kilbroney, Tullymore and Castlewellan Park, these lads will never be fitter than what they will be around February time this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 05, 2014, 10:13:51 AM
Quote from: speculative on November 05, 2014, 09:55:42 AM
NP76 you say that like MacRory lads aren't training "flat out" over the winter. MacRory winter training is gruesome, sprinting up hills in Kilbroney, Tullymore and Castlewellan Park, these lads will never be fitter than what they will be around February time this year.

Absolutely. I would genuinely say that MacRory cup training is the closest a young player gets to professional in his career. I remember going Tue/Wed/Thu/Sat with the school, and that was just collective training. When the club got going, we were also filling in Mon/Fri/Sun. Every day of the week. Class. Burnout wont happen if you are enjoying it.  Its only an hour or so a day!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on November 05, 2014, 10:30:56 AM
I didn't say the Mc Crory boys weren't training flat out I meant that how would you feel to train flat out all winter for some boy to appear after the school is over to take your place. How would that lead to a healthy comradarie in a county set up. I know the training the schools do I have fone it in my time and it is as close to a county set up as there is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 05, 2014, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on November 05, 2014, 10:30:56 AM
I didn't say the Mc Crory boys weren't training flat out I meant that how would you feel to train flat out all winter for some boy to appear after the school is over to take your place. How would that lead to a healthy comradarie in a county set up. I know the training the schools do I have fone it in my time and it is as close to a county set up as there is.

It is the nature of the beast I'm afraid. All teams want their best players at the most important times and that's the bottom line. If you are blessed enough to be one of these players you are on a winner, if not you are going to have to work harder or hope for an injury. The reality is that if a schools player comes back he is arguably going to be a higher standard and thus the manager will want him in the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on November 05, 2014, 05:13:12 PM
Agree with SuperSub it's just the way it is. I'm sure the lads who would already be on the team would know the score to begin with anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 05, 2014, 07:16:39 PM
MacRory football will always take precedence over early minor fixtures. It is one of the most prestigious competitions in Ulster football. Shane is the right man for the job and has been working over the year with development squads at u17 which has not seen a professionalism like this ever.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 05, 2014, 07:54:12 PM
Down have been drawn to play Cavan, Monaghan and UUJ in group A of the 2015 McKenna cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 05, 2014, 08:10:37 PM
Its very unfair on the young lads who are strung along having their heads filled with shite about playing championship in the summer, get to play in the league games and as soon as the college lads are finished handed a kit bag, told we will keep an eye on you but sent home humiliated. In most cases it seems the real squad is already predetermined regardless of performance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 05, 2014, 11:34:24 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on November 05, 2014, 09:43:03 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 05, 2014, 07:16:39 PM
MacRory football will always take precedence over early minor fixtures. It is one of the most prestigious competitions in Ulster football. Shane is the right man for the job and has been working over the year with development squads at u17 which has not seen a professionalism like this ever.
While not dis-agreeing with any of what has been said-I'll ask the question
-'has this method of Minor selection been successful?'

What method??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 05, 2014, 11:47:00 PM
It happens in all counties in Ulster. Maybe a solution would be to have the Macrory and Hogan finished early as in my opinion in drags on too long and pre Christmas/McCormick is a pointless competition with the main teams  only starting really tough training around Xmas time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on November 06, 2014, 07:52:32 AM
There was a discussion on that Thomas to have it run off by start of the new year and the Hogan final to be played on March 17th. This would give the lads plenty of time to join up with the county teams. Whether or not it goes through is another thing. You know yourself how hard it is to make change
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 06, 2014, 01:23:16 PM
 :o That's some opening post!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 06, 2014, 02:13:15 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 06, 2014, 11:35:00 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on November 06, 2014, 07:52:32 AM
There was a discussion on that Thomas to have it run off by start of the new year and the Hogan final to be played on March 17th. This would give the lads plenty of time to join up with the county teams. Whether or not it goes through is another thing. You know yourself how hard it is to make change
It's only college players who can get on Down Minors these days.
Go back to 1999 and 2005  teams and see the make-up of those teams-not too
many profesionals today. Good honest players and just a few fancy dans. Only Garvey
playing now-shame.

True but you had Brendan Grant, Mark Doran, Liam Doyle, Benny, Mickey Walsh, Ronan Murtagh and Ronan Sexton who all came through from the 99 team to play senior county football for a considerable time.
05 team probably produced less players for a prolonged period such as Kevin McKernan and Conor Garvey.  But it did produce a number of players who played for a short time but made a significant impact in that time i.e. Martin Clarke, James Colgan, Peter Fitzpatrick and Paul McComiskey.

Between the two teams there were a number of other players who could/should have made an impact, Ciaran Brannigan, Kevin Duffin, Jamie O'reilly etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on November 06, 2014, 02:46:23 PM
This isn't a problem in donegal or tyrone to anywhere near the same extent, who have both been far more successful than down minors recently
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 08, 2014, 10:31:32 PM
Great  to hear about Marty Clarke 'willing to putting his body on the line for the county' according to the Independent
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 09, 2014, 12:25:43 AM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 08, 2014, 10:31:32 PM
Great  to hear about Marty Clarke 'willing to putting his body on the line for the county' according to the Independent

Could you provide a link if possible please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on November 09, 2014, 09:39:15 AM
http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=227264 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=227264)

Good news indeed. Now all we need is McComiskey back.

a forward line with Clarke, McComiskey, Mooney, Laverty will give us a much more incisive look than the last few years. There will debates about who else should be in there - Connor Maginn for work rate, Poland for passing ability, Ambrose for strength, Madine as a hit-man, the Johnstons & Devlin for the future, one last throw for Benny?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nailer on November 09, 2014, 08:41:39 PM
It is just as well the Co Board delegates in Down aren't as unforgiving as the Tyrone Co. Board or Shane Mullholland would most likely be relieved of his job as Manager of the County minor team.
Micky Donnelly just survived as manager of Tyrone minors for another year when they couldn't get a two thirds majority to oust him, and this after they gave Down a right hiding in Omagh in the first round of the Ulster championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on November 10, 2014, 12:08:22 PM
How can you say there's been an over reliance on Colleges players? In 2010 when St Colmans won the MacRory I think there were only 3 players on the Down minor team 2009. Same in 2011. If you're gonna come out with statements like that you may need to back them up. My experience was that Colleges players from Abbey and Violet Hill were actually passed up for fellas that had been there from the start. For example, in 2008 not one player who played MacRory Cup started in the game v Tyrone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on November 10, 2014, 09:13:04 PM
Quote from: speculative on November 10, 2014, 12:08:22 PM
How can you say there's been an over reliance on Colleges players? In 2010 when St Colmans won the MacRory I think there were only 3 players on the Down minor team 2009. Same in 2011. If you're gonna come out with statements like that you may need to back them up. My experience was that Colleges players from Abbey and Violet Hill were actually passed up for fellas that had been there from the start. For example, in 2008 not one player who played MacRory Cup started in the game v Tyrone.

Michael Higgins & Ben O'Reilly both played MacRory for St Louis did they not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Corner Forward on November 11, 2014, 07:59:04 AM
Quote from: Nailer on November 09, 2014, 08:41:39 PM
It is just as well the Co Board delegates in Down aren't as unforgiving as the Tyrone Co. Board or Shane Mullholland would most likely be relieved of his job as Manager of the County minor team.
Micky Donnelly just survived as manager of Tyrone minors for another year when they couldn't get a two thirds majority to oust him, and this after they gave Down a right hiding in Omagh in the first round of the Ulster championship.


Dont think the Micky Donnelly situation was purely due to results
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 11, 2014, 09:34:01 AM
Quote from: Corner Forward on November 11, 2014, 07:59:04 AM
Quote from: Nailer on November 09, 2014, 08:41:39 PM
It is just as well the Co Board delegates in Down aren't as unforgiving as the Tyrone Co. Board or Shane Mullholland would most likely be relieved of his job as Manager of the County minor team.
Micky Donnelly just survived as manager of Tyrone minors for another year when they couldn't get a two thirds majority to oust him, and this after they gave Down a right hiding in Omagh in the first round of the Ulster championship.


Dont think the Micky Donnelly situation was purely due to results
Care to fill us in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on November 11, 2014, 11:18:57 AM
I see on Facebook kilcoo have announced Paul Mc ilver as their new manager and Declan Morgan as the team trainer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Corner Forward on November 11, 2014, 01:35:40 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 11, 2014, 09:34:01 AM
Quote from: Corner Forward on November 11, 2014, 07:59:04 AM
Quote from: Nailer on November 09, 2014, 08:41:39 PM
It is just as well the Co Board delegates in Down aren't as unforgiving as the Tyrone Co. Board or Shane Mullholland would most likely be relieved of his job as Manager of the County minor team.
Micky Donnelly just survived as manager of Tyrone minors for another year when they couldn't get a two thirds majority to oust him, and this after they gave Down a right hiding in Omagh in the first round of the Ulster championship.


Dont think the Micky Donnelly situation was purely due to results
Care to fill us in?

Was chatting to a guy in work after the tyrone game- he mentioned that there had been questions raised over his team selection with the feeling among a lot of tyrone supporters that some stronger players were being overlooked and that a certain amount of favouritism had been shown. Some felt that there were better options than him for manager. I personally dont know Micky or his background in gaelic games but i got the impression that support for him was divided from the start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 11, 2014, 03:12:21 PM
Quote from: Corner Forward on November 11, 2014, 01:35:40 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 11, 2014, 09:34:01 AM
Quote from: Corner Forward on November 11, 2014, 07:59:04 AM
Quote from: Nailer on November 09, 2014, 08:41:39 PM
It is just as well the Co Board delegates in Down aren't as unforgiving as the Tyrone Co. Board or Shane Mullholland would most likely be relieved of his job as Manager of the County minor team.
Micky Donnelly just survived as manager of Tyrone minors for another year when they couldn't get a two thirds majority to oust him, and this after they gave Down a right hiding in Omagh in the first round of the Ulster championship.


Dont think the Micky Donnelly situation was purely due to results
Care to fill us in?

Was chatting to a guy in work after the tyrone game- he mentioned that there had been questions raised over his team selection with the feeling among a lot of tyrone supporters that some stronger players were being overlooked and that a certain amount of favouritism had been shown. Some felt that there were better options than him for manager. I personally dont know Micky or his background in gaelic games but i got the impression that support for him was divided from the start.
Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on November 11, 2014, 03:27:38 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on November 10, 2014, 09:13:04 PM
Quote from: speculative on November 10, 2014, 12:08:22 PM
How can you say there's been an over reliance on Colleges players? In 2010 when St Colmans won the MacRory I think there were only 3 players on the Down minor team 2009. Same in 2011. If you're gonna come out with statements like that you may need to back them up. My experience was that Colleges players from Abbey and Violet Hill were actually passed up for fellas that had been there from the start. For example, in 2008 not one player who played MacRory Cup started in the game v Tyrone.

Michael Higgins & Ben O'Reilly both played MacRory for St Louis did they not?

Pretty sure Michael Higgins was at St Malachys and if O'Reilly was at St Louis they didn't play MacRory in 2008/09. Robbie White played for the Abbey but they didn't qualify from the Group Stages (McCormick Cup)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on November 11, 2014, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: speculative on November 11, 2014, 03:27:38 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on November 10, 2014, 09:13:04 PM
Quote from: speculative on November 10, 2014, 12:08:22 PM
How can you say there's been an over reliance on Colleges players? In 2010 when St Colmans won the MacRory I think there were only 3 players on the Down minor team 2009. Same in 2011. If you're gonna come out with statements like that you may need to back them up. My experience was that Colleges players from Abbey and Violet Hill were actually passed up for fellas that had been there from the start. For example, in 2008 not one player who played MacRory Cup started in the game v Tyrone.

Michael Higgins & Ben O'Reilly both played MacRory for St Louis did they not?

Higgins was st columbans kilkeel
Pretty sure Michael Higgins was at St Malachys and if O'Reilly was at St Louis they didn't play MacRory in 2008/09. Robbie White played for the Abbey but they didn't qualify from the Group Stages (McCormick Cup)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outback on November 13, 2014, 09:16:19 AM
 Burren still firing on cylinders at U16,18 and U21 levels.  CPN favourites though for the Down title
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on November 13, 2014, 09:46:58 PM
The games:

Warrenpoint (Down) v Cloughaneely (Donegal) 2:15pm
Keady (Armagh) v Urris (Donegal)

have been moved from Dungannon to Clones (I guess due to bad weather affecting the Dungannon pitch)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on November 14, 2014, 02:36:12 PM
How does everyone think CPN and Drumaness will go this weekend? Will both games be as one-sided as everyone is suggesting? ROCK and Warrenpoint both big favourites in my eyes...would love to see Drumaness scrape through! Thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on November 14, 2014, 06:19:04 PM
i too would love to see both Down clubs win again this weekend--GOOK LUCK TO BOTH DOWN CLUBS!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on November 16, 2014, 10:16:06 AM
Quote from: speculative on November 11, 2014, 03:27:38 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on November 10, 2014, 09:13:04 PM
Quote from: speculative on November 10, 2014, 12:08:22 PM
How can you say there's been an over reliance on Colleges players? In 2010 when St Colmans won the MacRory I think there were only 3 players on the Down minor team 2009. Same in 2011. If you're gonna come out with statements like that you may need to back them up. My experience was that Colleges players from Abbey and Violet Hill were actually passed up for fellas that had been there from the start. For example, in 2008 not one player who played MacRory Cup started in the game v Tyrone.

Michael Higgins & Ben O'Reilly both played MacRory for St Louis did they not?

Pretty sure Michael Higgins was at St Malachys and if O'Reilly was at St Louis they didn't play MacRory in 2008/09. Robbie White played for the Abbey but they didn't qualify from the Group Stages (McCormick Cup)

Was near 100% sure both played in a quarter final against St Pat's Armagh for St Louis. Could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 24, 2014, 05:53:43 PM
STATEMENT FROM DOWN CO BOARD ON BEHALF OF BENNY COULTER
It is with a heavy heart that I have made the decision to retire from Inter County Football. I have enjoyed immensely my time as an Inter County Football but after 15 Seasons I have decided that the time has come to allow a younger breed of Down Footballer the chance to make their mark.
I would like to thank a number of people from the bottom of my heart for the support that they have given me over the years.
My Club Mayobridge first gave me my love of Gaelic Football and to all the mentors who spent time over the years moulding me into the player and person I became I am most grateful. I will continue to give of my best in the Sky Blue of Mayobridge for as long as Team Mentors feel I can make a positive contribution.
My Minor Manager Gerry Dougherty brought me to All Ireland Minor Glory and allowed me to sample what it was like to win an All Ireland Minor Medal.
Peter McGrath gave me my first taste of Senior Inter County Football and I will always thank Pete for that opportunity.
Paddy O Rourke was a great help to me in football terms and on a personal level and I have many fond memories of my time working with Paddy and his Management Team.
Ross Carr and DJ Kane were my next Managers and we too had many good days especially the victory over Tyrone in Newry in 2008.
In 2010 I was privileged and honoured to lead my County in the All Ireland Final and I will always regret that we failed to deliver on the day, I am indebted to James McCartan for the support he gave me in the five years that he was Team Manager. I had played with James and it was an absolute honour to have worked with him as Manager.
I would like to place on record my thanks to the Down County Board for supporting me throughout my playing career I was looked after at all times in the best possible manner.
To the Medical Teams over the years I thank you all for the care and attention given to me.
I thank the Down Supporters who always were there for me and lifted my spirits many times at crucial stages in games or when I was preparing to enter the fray.
To My family and in particular my mother and father who supported me all through my County career I offer a heartfelt thanks you certainly helped make it easy for me to be an Inter County Footballer.
I wish the present Down panel and Manager Jim McCorry every success in the season ahead, those boys are like my brothers and I will be supporting them fully throughout the year ahead


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outback on November 24, 2014, 11:07:18 PM
 Thanks for the memories,Benny
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 25, 2014, 04:32:35 PM
Seán Ward is the new Burren manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FermGael on November 25, 2014, 06:24:12 PM

DIVISION THREE side Aughlisnafin have pulled off a major coup by appointing Conor Deegan as their manager while Sean Ward is set to take over at Burren.

Deegan has spent the last number of seasons in Dublin with Ballyboden and Kilmacud Croke's, but with return to his native county to take on the third tier outfit.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 25, 2014, 06:43:51 PM
Surely that cannot be true ? Top team in 1st division Dublin to one of the worse off teams in Down's division 3 or soon to be 4? Man must be homesick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 26, 2014, 12:14:54 PM
The Deegan appointment is some coup for the Finn, good on them, some drop though for Deegan considering he was interviewed for the Down job a few months ago, just on the county front, hasnt been the greatest of starts for Jim, letting your most experienced player go was a huge mistake, Coulter should never have been allowed to go and add in the 5 selectors he met who have turned him down he would have hoped for a better start. Early days I know but not ideal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 26, 2014, 01:52:36 PM
Who were the 5 selectors that turned him down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 26, 2014, 01:54:34 PM
Yes Benny should never have been allowed to retire.
They should have maybe kidnapped a member of his family or threatened him with some other dastardly deed.
Wise yourself up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outback on November 26, 2014, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 26, 2014, 01:54:34 PM
Yes Benny should never have been allowed to retire.
They should have maybe kidnapped a member of his family or threatened him with some other dastardly deed.
Wise yourself up.
My God, apart from Brick's reply, this is al  a load  of crap !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on November 27, 2014, 09:50:45 AM
I have heard rumours that the league format is changing back to 4 leagues is that correct? if correct when will it be happening next season or 2016 season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on November 27, 2014, 10:05:26 AM
I don't see what that would change tbh.  There always going to be teams way ahead of others, there's going to be beatings and always going to be strugglers in each division.  The leagues seem competitive enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on November 27, 2014, 10:32:30 AM
I know in division one last year the top teams and the bottom teams on a given day there wasn't much between them but overall the better teams would prevail. But look back at the previous year warrenpoint struggled in Division 1 now look at them they are flying in down and ulster so it does show there is a gulf in class between the top 6/8 teams in down. I think the way it used to be 10 teams in each league meant that right up until the last game of the season mattered. I could be wrong but a good few years ago An roicht where in their last game facing relegation play offs or play offs to win the league depending on their last result. they won and went on to win the league. to me that is a better set up than teams just cruising thru there last 2/3 games because 1) they are safe 2) they either in top 4 or bottom 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on November 27, 2014, 02:01:08 PM
Warrenpoint were relegated but as far as I remember they lost several matches by very slim margins.  They have developed and are an excellent team and should do well next year in Div 1 and Senior.  This season the fight for 3rd spot pretty much went to the wire with An riocht, Ballymartin, St John's and Bredagh all chasing it and a chance at the playoffs.  Season before Tullylish were promoted and relegated but Glen went on to stay up.  There is no denying the gulf between the top teams and the rest though but changing the leagues again I dont think will change much.  You may well be right though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on November 27, 2014, 07:50:53 PM
Quote from: outinfront on November 27, 2014, 10:05:26 AM
I don't see what that would change tbh.  There always going to be teams way ahead of others, there's going to be beatings and always going to be strugglers in each division.  The leagues seem competitive enough.

It will put things back the way they were and should never have been changed.  The County Board should hold their hands up and say publicly that they got this one wrong.  There was nothing wrong with the leagues but strong clubs like Kilcoo managed to push this change through a few years back, for some reason.  Clubs have been hit hard in the pocket as local derbys for the home club, which generate some much income, are only held every two years and with a sizeable crowd could take as much as a few thousand.

There has always been a gulf in class between Div 1 and 2 with teams like Annaclone, Warrenpoint, Tullylish, Ballyholland often flitting between the two.  Good enough for Div 2 but not for Div 1.  This year with a much bigger Div 1, Glenn were able to get enough points to retain Div 1 status but if there had not been as many teams in Div 1 then they probably would have been straight back down again.

These are the decisions to be made tonight:



Down All County Leagues 2015

In the original document proposing the Leagues and Championship Proposals 2013-2018 there was always the caveat that the proposals could be discussed again if there was a general feeling that the process was not working. Already Coiste Banisti has taken onboard concerns about the 'Dead Rubbers' that were happening in our Football Championships and you have received details of such recently. In relation to the Leagues I would also like discussion to happen at the County Committee meeting on November 27th.  Thus everyone will be very clear about what is happening well in advance of the leagues commencing, change would come into place in 2016.

I will outline here the various possible options for our Leagues in 2016.
Option One
We remain the same format with Three Divisions thus No Change to what is presently constituted.

Option Two
In 2016 Division One will consist of 12 Teams, Division Two will consist  of 12 Teams Division Three will consist of 10 Teams and Division Four will consist of 10 Teams.
How would this be arrived at?
   At the end of 2015 
   Six Teams would be relegated from Division One
   Two Teams would be promoted from Division Two
   In 2016 then Division Two would consist of the Six Relegated teams from Division One plus the next Six Teams in Division Two at the end of 2015. The Top two teams in Division 3 at the end of 2015 would enter the new Division Three in 2016.
   Division Three would consist then of the Top Two Teams in Division Three in 2015 plus the bottom Eight Teams in Division Two in 2015.
   Division Four would then be made up of the remaining ten Teams



Option Three

In 2016 Division One will consist of 10 Teams, Division Two 10 Teams, Division Three 12 Teams and Division Four 12 Teams
How would this be arrived at?
At the End of the 2015 Season
   Six Teams would be relegated from Division One –
   No Promotion from Division Two
   In 2016 then the New Division Two would consist of the 6 relegated teams from Division One plus the Top Four Teams in Division Two at the end of 2015
   In 2016 then the New Division Three would consist of the remaining 12 teams in Division Two in 2015
   In 2016 then Division Four would remain as Division Three is presently constituted for 2015
   One possible alternative  suggestion for Division 3 and 4 is that  the Top Team in Division 3 in 2015 remains in the new Division 3 and the bottom team in Division 2 in 2015 is relegated to a new Division 4

These are just some thoughts, two additional points I would like to be considered either for 2015 or 2016
In relation to the Reserve and Premier Reserve Leagues I would propose that they are played on a One Round Basis and on the alternative weeks we organise an Under 20/21 competition played at a better time of the year and hopefully with more games.
In hurling we designate the Joe McCrickard as an Under 21 competition to commence in March.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on November 28, 2014, 12:04:31 PM
My preference is the 12 teams, home and away. Players want to play football so give them plenty of matches. Have a 2 week holiday period in July and play away even without county players if need be. Too many sunny weekends are spent with training and no matches to play in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mccool85 on November 28, 2014, 01:47:24 PM
I'm really hoping that Irish News article today isn't true. They say Marty Clarke is unwilling to commit to training five nights a week and therefore won't be involved for Down this year. Doyle, Gordon and King have opted out and Dan McCartan not selected.

Not too fussed on the others but Clarke not playing is a massive blow and I reckon Benny knew about this and it made his decision to retire easier as he said recently he was definitely going to play when the news broke that Clarke was back.

Niall and Daryl Brannigan both in the squad which is great news.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 28, 2014, 01:56:12 PM
Quote from: mccool85 on November 28, 2014, 01:47:24 PM
I'm really hoping that Irish News article today isn't true. They say Marty Clarke is unwilling to commit to training five nights a week and therefore won't be involved for Down this year. Doyle, Gordon and King have opted out and Dan McCartan not selected.

Not too fussed on the others but Clarke not playing is a massive blow and I reckon Benny knew about this and it made his decision to retire easier as he said recently he was definitely going to play when the news broke that Clarke was back.

Niall and Daryl Brannigan both in the squad which is great news.

If your are not too worried about the others, who would you start midfield next season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 28, 2014, 03:02:27 PM
T O'Hare asks a pertinent question, and the idea that the door has been closed to some key figures because they apparently not available for a training programme in November is alarming. Commitment has to be mixed with realism, and players of proven ability should be able to make a phased return in the new year.

Doyler is around the 33 mark and with his injury record it would have been optimistic to expect him to be around next summer. However, while Ambrose has also been struggling for fitness, he should surely not be retiring at 30. King is about the same age, and also has a huge amount to offer if he can balance his work issues. Gordon looked in decent shape at the Anto game at Ravenhill and is someone else we can ill afford to lose. McCartan may have been close to the end of the line but his departure does not seem to have been well handled.

However, Marty's case is the most concerning. He recently got married, a baby is due in 2015 and he is starting a degree course after several years in Australia, so he has a lot going on. He has been a professional athlete and getting back to proper fitness at 27 should not be a problem for him, even if we have to wait until Easter. If he returned, there has been at least a hint that Benny might also reconsider.

There is a danger we will end up with a squad of super fit youngsters who lack quality and experience in crucial areas, so it would be a mistake to rule out the star names at this stage. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outback on November 28, 2014, 03:14:26 PM
  I agree mostly with what Mourne Rover has said but what is Jim Mc Corry supposed to say
to "non star players" about committing fully if he is allowing the "star players" to half commit
at this stage?   Mind  you November is a bit early for all this bad news.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 28, 2014, 07:36:57 PM
Outback, the players we are talking about have all given huge service to Down at senior level. Doyle and Coulter made their debuts in 2000, Gordon in 2002, and  McCartan, King and Rogers in 2004. Clarke would have been a regular since 2006 if he had not been in Australia. It seems reasonable to give them a bit of time and space if they are going to be involved in 2015, and it is hard to believe that the younger members of the squad would have many objections. Counties which have been much more successful than us over recent years take a flexible attitude, so a little common sense is required all round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 28, 2014, 09:19:31 PM
Not at all surprised at Liam Doyle or Dan McCartan bowing out, and I knew King would after last year. Very surprised however about Clarke and big Dan. Gordon especially can offer a lot more to the county, however I heard whispers of him talking about retiring at the start of November. Concerning Clarke, was he not supposed to have officially comitted after a statement to the irish independent a couple of weeks ago? However I'd say there will be a turn around later on in the year. Never the less, all the best to all players, role models within the county and owe nothing, considering the drought these players played through in the 2000's! Sad to see three former captains go too (the two dans and doyler) . On a side note would anyone care to post the panel that was talked about in the irish news today ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on November 28, 2014, 09:54:53 PM
The finest tuned Orchestra in the world, would be fairly average, under the baton of the wrong Conductor. I hope the allegory is clear
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 28, 2014, 10:09:57 PM
To lose the calibire of player mentioned is a lot for a county like Down to take in one go. In contrast, this time last year Eamonn FitzMaurice was in a similar position after losing key players through injury and retirement, but he made special arrangements to accommadate Declan O'Sullivan and things worked out okay. It looks like McCrory is trying to stamp his authority but a bit of man management seems to be lacking. It could be argued he is following the Jim McGuinness method, but he managed to get all his key men onside early. I hope things work out but it does seem extreme from the outside looking in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 29, 2014, 12:36:04 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 26, 2014, 01:54:34 PM
Yes Benny should never have been allowed to retire.
They should have maybe kidnapped a member of his family or threatened him with some other dastardly deed.
Wise yourself up.

So you don't agree that McCurry should have encouraged him to stay on? This retirement has been forced by McCurry, the list in the papr today is extremely concerning and I'd be worried what the players think of the appointment of the Lurgan man and a very poor backroom team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on November 29, 2014, 08:46:25 AM
Against Tyrone in omagh and in replay in Newry last year Dan Mccartan, Dan Gordon, Liam Doyle, Brendan Coulter, Ambrose Rogers and another player not mentioned in yesterday's paper, Decky Rooney are all gone! That's over a third of a team and players which great experience. Add Martin Clarke to this list that also won't committ to a rigorous regime and Down are without some great players going into 2014.
What also would concern me is that two of the top 3 clubs in Down are only represented by 3 players, 2 Burren & 1 Bridge, Kevin Mckernan, Donal Ohare from the former & Conor Garvey from the  latter.
Jim McGuinress Came into Donegal a few years back, and while he asked for serious dedication, the first thing be done was put the arm round the top players in Donegal and got them to play for him.
Also contrary to irish news yesterday, none of the  Branagan brothers from Kilcoo are involved. In a county short of tight marking defenders surely either of these 3 brothers would have been good additions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 29, 2014, 09:05:02 AM
I didnt see the Irish news yesterday does anyone have a list of the players on this years panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 29, 2014, 09:11:58 AM
It just mentioned mooney, packie Downey, art mcconville and daryl and niall brannigan joining the setup, didn't state wether this was McKenna cup or otherwise. Also a big write up about Ross McGarry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 29, 2014, 09:20:26 AM
Two McKay's from St John's, Ciaran Carville from Teconnnaught and Gerdie Collins from RGU all supposedly involved too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 29, 2014, 09:35:58 AM
Chris and Danny are two fantastic players, good to see them getting a shit after a good year with drumnaquoile. Who are those other names? Heard Carville mentioned a lot when we drew with techonnaught out in techonnaught, but u can't rember what he looked like and where he played, and who is collins from downpatrick? Any saul players no?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 29, 2014, 09:38:19 AM
Getting a shit? My god autocorrect hates me ! Getting a go* and I meant I can't remember what he looked like* sorry for any inconvenience
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 29, 2014, 09:40:02 AM
Definitely a clean slate. I hope things work out for him, its a bold move, I would guess it will be quite a defensive system with a lot of pace in the forwards with Mooney, Laverty and Jerome Johnson prominent. I think  McKernan will have a key role along with Garvey and Laverty.
Its sad to see so many key players gone for one reason or another but maybe its time for new lads to step up to the plate. The McKenna cup will be interesting in  Jan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 29, 2014, 12:53:20 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on November 29, 2014, 08:46:25 AM
Against Tyrone in omagh and in replay in Newry last year Dan Mccartan, Dan Gordon, Liam Doyle, Brendan Coulter, Ambrose Rogers and another player not mentioned in yesterday's paper, Decky Rooney are all gone! That's over a third of a team and players which great experience. Add Martin Clarke to this list that also won't committ to a rigorous regime and Down are without some great players going into 2014.
What also would concern me is that two of the top 3 clubs in Down are only represented by 3 players, 2 Burren & 1 Bridge, Kevin Mckernan, Donal Ohare from the former & Conor Garvey from the  latter.
Jim McGuinress Came into Donegal a few years back, and while he asked for serious dedication, the first thing be done was put the arm round the top players in Donegal and got them to play for him.
Also contrary to irish news yesterday, none of the  Branagan brothers from Kilcoo are involved. In a county short of tight marking defenders surely either of these 3 brothers would have been good additions.

Nail on head, it has went from one extreme to the other with Burren, too many on the panel last year and too little this year.  If Rooney isn't in the top 10 defenders in the county we must have some defenders.  Burren and the bridge should now have very strong league campaigns because of it.

Ross searched the county and looked throughout the lower leagues for players and did any of the actually last more than a year?   Il probably get abuse for this but IMO some of these players brought in will be brought in to tick a box and won't actually see much football.

You could probably name a team that is not on the panel that cold beat a team on the panel.   All the best to McCurry but I don't think u can let go of so many experienced players and expect to be successful at least in the medium term anyway.

Who are the Kilcoo players on the panel? Laverty, 2 Johnstons, Devlin, anyone else?  The two younger Brannigans definitely deserved a shot considering the scarcity of decent corner backs in the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mccool85 on November 29, 2014, 12:58:19 PM
Why do the Branagans not want to play MDG?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outback on November 29, 2014, 02:45:06 PM
  Prediction for April 2015.  Phonecalls will be made or feelers put
out to those that can't commit just yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 29, 2014, 09:28:03 PM
Outback's prediction is a reasonable one, although there could be some calls before April.  Marty Clarke is reportedly starting a course at Jordanstown as part of an arrangement which will probably involve a commitment to the UUJ Sigerson campaign. When the Sigerson weekend is over at the end of February, he should be fit enough to get a recall to the Down squad.

Jim Gavin made clear in his newspaper interviews today that he is happy to allow some Dublin players to take time out due to personal circumstances and bring them back at different stages during the league. It is also worth remembering that our best midfielder last summer was Dan Gordon, who only started county training the week after our first championship game.

If we have 15 young players who nail down places during the league, that would be a nice problem to have. We are still likely to need proven performers when the championship comes round, as long as they are as fit as everyone else.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on November 29, 2014, 09:39:51 PM
don't understand why people think the brannigans are the answer to down's defensive problems, surely all they do is foul !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 29, 2014, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: elk on November 29, 2014, 09:39:51 PM
don't understand why people think the brannigans are the answer to down's defensive problems, surely all they do is foul !

Agree.  Mcmanus showed aiden up badly a few weeks back. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 29, 2014, 11:09:16 PM
Choc has had his time with down. The two younger brothers are worth a shot in my opinion. Outbacks prediction is also spot on, there will undoubtedly be a turnaround during or after the league. Surely mccorry won't let them leave without a fight ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on November 30, 2014, 10:33:27 AM
Good luck to CPN today in the Ulster Final!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 30, 2014, 04:32:15 PM
Well done to the Point- a much needed boost for Down football- first provincial men's football title since when ?

As for the County panel goings on, it's a hard one to call. Mc Corry will be his own man and most successful managers have to be single minded- we didn't put him into that job to be a consensus builder but rather to get results. I can see why he would want to put his stamp on things as he will be virtually unsackable for probably the first two years so can afford to lay down the law with experienced players. However, I don't think we can do without some of these men . Dan Gordon is one of the best ever Down footballers who doesn't have either an All Ireland or an All Star. Kalum King does the important things well and brings physical presence to a relatively small team. Dan Mc Cartan is still one of our better defenders. Marty Clarke is a supreme talent in a squad of mediocrity. I accept injuries have taken their toll on Ambrose but, when fit, he the complete footballer. Liam Doyle has had no luck with injuries so probably is time to quit and enough has been said about Benny.
My view is that there must be a way to accommodate at least half of these men otherwise it will be a tough 2015.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on November 30, 2014, 04:41:22 PM
Fair play to Ross McGarry with a man of the match performance today, and fair play to the poit with a good win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 30, 2014, 05:33:26 PM
Congratulations to Warrenpoint, the first Down side to win an Ulster club title since Leitrim, also in the IFC, back in 1998. It was ten years before that when Burren won our last senior club title and no Down team has ever even made the final of the JFC. While our record has been dismal, the Point must have a decent chance of going further this time. Hopefully their county players will be treated with a bit of flexibility.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on November 30, 2014, 06:43:46 PM
Congratulations to CPN on their great win,they really took over in the last ten or twelve minutes,and at least one inspired substution set them on the way to victory-WELL DONE!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 30, 2014, 07:10:29 PM
it was looking a bit nervous for a while in the second but closed it out in good style, congrats to CPN and Bernie Ruane, true hoop.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on November 30, 2014, 11:06:15 PM
Rearranged leagues is it all about money? If format had been in place last season a few big clubs would be playing second division football and their gate receipts would really take a hit some clubs gona regret voting this in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on December 01, 2014, 12:44:41 AM
mc garry took some abuse today and still hit some outstanding scores. has matured into a very good forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 01, 2014, 10:33:51 AM
Quote from: gaamann on November 30, 2014, 11:06:15 PM
Rearranged leagues is it all about money? If format had been in place last season a few big clubs would be playing second division football and their gate receipts would really take a hit some clubs gona regret voting this in.

The Championship is all about money - the leagues were all about the County team.

16 team league has less games and more dead rubbers and less people going. 12 teams home and away much better - even if it means a few go down!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on December 01, 2014, 11:53:18 AM
"Insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result- Albert Einstein

I think the abilities and attributes of our more "experienced" players have been wildly exaggerated. These lads were all decent footballers but hardly World beaters (Benny and possibly Gordon exceptions). I've made my views on King known on this forum before and he proved me right with his two displays v Mayobridge at the end of last season. Rodgers was decent but he's basically been a sick note since 2010. All the rest were average at best throughout their careers on the inter-county scene bar one freak season when the moons, planets, stars, galaxies and universe all aligned for us to reach an AI Final.

The point is this, the aim now for McCorry is to build a team that might be in a position to challenge for an Ulster title in 3 years. These guys have tried before (at their peak) but have unfortunately not succeeded. What makes you think during their twilight years they may do something that has never really looked likely? Give younger lads a chance, and hopefully McCorry can try and build a team around them.

Side note, congrats to The Point and Ross McGarry, proving that he may have the bottle for it after all. ;)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 01, 2014, 01:29:48 PM
Quote from: speculative on December 01, 2014, 11:53:18 AM
"Insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result- Albert Einstein

I think the abilities and attributes of our more "experienced" players have been wildly exaggerated. These lads were all decent footballers but hardly World beaters (Benny and possibly Gordon exceptions). I've made my views on King known on this forum before and he proved me right with his two displays v Mayobridge at the end of last season. Rodgers was decent but he's basically been a sick note since 2010. All the rest were average at best throughout their careers on the inter-county scene bar one freak season when the moons, planets, stars, galaxies and universe all aligned for us to reach an AI Final.

The point is this, the aim now for McCorry is to build a team that might be in a position to challenge for an Ulster title in 3 years. These guys have tried before (at their peak) but have unfortunately not succeeded. What makes you think during their twilight years they may do something that has never really looked likely? Give younger lads a chance, and hopefully McCorry can try and build a team around them.

Side note, congrats to The Point and Ross McGarry, proving that he may have the bottle for it after all. ;)

Indeed well done to them, good to see a Down team competing at All Ireland level now! I see he had another stormer indeed, doubt anything will be proved until next season however going by some of the reaction on here previously!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on December 01, 2014, 08:05:16 PM
Fair enough assessment speculative, but what is it that leads you believe Mc Corry is the Man capable of producing a winning team. Certainly nothing in his CV to date, other than Co. Championships with Kilcoo, whom my Granny could have succeeded with given the poor standard of Club football in Down at present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 01, 2014, 10:22:50 PM
Speculative's claim that Ambrose has been `a sick note since 2010' is totally unfair. He has certainly had a series of injuries but he still played championship football during each of the last four summers. He was excellent during our run to the Ulster final in 2012 and produced fine displays against Derry and Donegal in the 2013 USC. King has been a mainstay of the team since 2010, and we have a repeated tendency to collapse at midfield when he is unavailable. If both of them, and big Dan, are really gone, there are not too many obvious candidates to replace them in the same position.

McKernan can play there, but he is usually more effective at half back, and Turley is also basically a defender. While Toner may improve, the county final indicated that he has some way to go. We have to bring in plenty of younger faces but hardened and reliable midfielders are hard to find, and there have not been too many obvious candidates in our recent minor and u21 sides.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on December 02, 2014, 01:01:41 AM
It's unfair to say that anyone could have won three championships with Kilcoo. Firstly I don't even think the statement is valid to begin with. There are only 3 quality sides in Down but there are three of them. Secondly and more importantly, it is not that he won the championships it is more about how they won them. His Kilcoo side totally outclassed the rest of the best of the county by some margin. maybe your granny would win most of her games in charge of Kilcoo but I doubt she would win a county final by 11 points against Burren.

Whether he is the man to revive the fortunes of the county still is something we wait to see. But it is unfair to imply he has done nothing to earn the chance.

One thing I do think though is that he will need Marty Clarke if we are to have any realistic chance in Ulster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on December 02, 2014, 11:12:22 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 01, 2014, 10:22:50 PM
Speculative's claim that Ambrose has been `a sick note since 2010' is totally unfair. He has certainly had a series of injuries but he still played championship football during each of the last four summers. He was excellent during our run to the Ulster final in 2012 and produced fine displays against Derry and Donegal in the 2013 USC. King has been a mainstay of the team since 2010, and we have a repeated tendency to collapse at midfield when he is unavailable. If both of them, and big Dan, are really gone, there are not too many obvious candidates to replace them in the same position.

McKernan can play there, but he is usually more effective at half back, and Turley is also basically a defender. While Toner may improve, the county final indicated that he has some way to go. We have to bring in plenty of younger faces but hardened and reliable midfielders are hard to find, and there have not been too many obvious candidates in our recent minor and u21 sides.

I agree, the one place we are definitely lacking in is in midfield, but we have been for years. Getting outclassed in midfield in 2010 ultimately led to Down losing that AI Final. The Minor and U21 teams recently haven't thrown up too many superstars for that sector either but the point is that if we throw in a few of the younger lads we may see them thrive in that position. It's not about next season, it's about 2/3 seasons down the line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on December 02, 2014, 03:11:12 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on December 02, 2014, 01:01:41 AM
It's unfair to say that anyone could have won three championships with Kilcoo. Firstly I don't even think the statement is valid to begin with. There are only 3 quality sides in Down but there are three of them. Secondly and more importantly, it is not that he won the championships it is more about how they won them. His Kilcoo side totally outclassed the rest of the best of the county by some margin. maybe your granny would win most of her games in charge of Kilcoo but I doubt she would win a county final by 11 points against Burren.

Whether he is the man to revive the fortunes of the county still is something we wait to see. But it is unfair to imply he has done nothing to earn the chance.

One thing I do think though is that he will need Marty Clarke if we are to have any realistic chance in Ulster

I dont think it's unfair in the least to say anyone could have won 3 championships with Kilcoo, they have been a good bit ahead of all club teams in Down for a while and that Burren team in final was a poor shadow of previous Burren teams from only a few years ago. Any decent manager would have won the same if not more with that team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on December 02, 2014, 03:36:27 PM
Ridiculous to say that Kilcoo were sho-ins for the Championships they've won. If McCorry had of been manager of any of the Big 4 the past few years they would have won 3 in a row. He took a club that were invariably "also-rans" and turned them into one of the best club teams in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on December 02, 2014, 09:34:45 PM
Quote from: speculative on December 02, 2014, 03:36:27 PM
Ridiculous to say that Kilcoo were sho-ins for the Championships they've won. If McCorry had of been manager of any of the Big 4 the past few years they would have won 3 in a row. He took a club that were invariably "also-rans" and turned them into one of the best club teams in Ulster.

Sorry but cant agree with you there was no team in Down on par with Kilcoo this year with or without McCorry...your telling me if McCorry had of been managing Burren in the final they would have won? I just cant see it myself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on December 03, 2014, 11:39:20 AM
What about Mayobridge? Many thought, myself including, they were worthy of a victory in the semi-final this year. Maybe not this year, but I'd say with almost certainty if he took Burren in last years Championship final there would have only been one winner. Also his tactical masterclass last year with his half time changes v The Bridge again got them over a difficult hurdle.

I think we will see his worth this year with his absence from Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 05, 2014, 05:31:30 PM
Danny Hughe's irish news column today suggests that Ambrose Rogers is gone. Any truth to this ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on December 15, 2014, 11:31:26 AM
Didn't get to the match in Newry yesterday, any reports?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 19, 2014, 08:55:40 AM
Was surprised at the low turn out given the game was for such a good cause.. was very much like in house training game for Down. Best on show I thought were. Benny, Laverty,  Ryan and Jerome J.  Packie Downey, and G Collins also impressive. Any chance that D. Branagan will join up with the county sq? Could definitely do with him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on December 20, 2014, 10:10:40 PM
just seen the u21 panel cant believe there are no kingdom lads included
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 20, 2014, 11:16:02 PM
Where did you see it elk?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 21, 2014, 02:36:35 AM
Great to see Packie Downeys name, Great player and even better person.  Was unstoppable out here in NY for a couple of summers.  Any word is Big Art Mc Conville back on scene?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 21, 2014, 10:39:15 AM
Quote from: elk on December 20, 2014, 10:10:40 PM
just seen the u21 panel cant believe there are no kingdom lads included

Lot of boys that started on 2012 minor team not on U21 panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on December 21, 2014, 11:20:57 AM
Where did you boys see the u21 panel ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 21, 2014, 11:28:27 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 21, 2014, 02:36:35 AM
Great to see Packie Downeys name, Great player and even better person.  Was unstoppable out here in NY for a couple of summers.  Any word is Big Art Mc Conville back on scene?
yeah big Arthur is back on the panel and apparently going well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 21, 2014, 12:58:20 PM
Great to hear that Sheedy. Another great fella.  Would Down operate him as a target man?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on December 21, 2014, 04:03:40 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 20, 2014, 11:16:02 PM
Where did you see it elk?
Saval gaa website on their latest news
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 21, 2014, 06:22:53 PM
Can't find it anywhere!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on December 21, 2014, 06:42:50 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 21, 2014, 06:22:53 PM
Can't find it anywhere!

It's on their Facebook page

What happened with Grimley from St. Paul's, when I watched that minor team I thought he was one of our better players?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on December 21, 2014, 07:28:41 PM
DOWN UNDER 21 FOOTBALL SQUAD 2015
BRYANSFORD ; Aaron McDonald , Rory Wells, Conor Devlin, Mark Reid
BALLYHOLLAND ; Niall McKevitt
BOSCO ; Aaron Beattie
BURREN ; Cathal Foy, Brendan McKernan, Tadhg Murdock
CASTLEWELLAN ; Rory Burns, Cathal Keown , Conal Corrigan
CARRYDUFF ; Peter Lavery, Sean Mc Gonagle
CPN; Ryan Magee, Donagh McAleenan, Aaron Magee
CLONDUFF ; Liam McGreevy
DOWNPATRICK ; Conor McGrady, Anthony Doherty,
DARRAGH CROSS ; Joe McKinney, Shane Murray
GLASDRUMMAN ; Cathal Rodgers
GLENN ; John O'Hare
KILCOO ; Martin Devlin, Aidan Fulcher
LOUGHINISLAND ; Aaron McClements, Rory Mason, Sean Cochrane,
MAYOBRIDGE ; Cory Quinn, Barry Cunningham
ROSTREVOR ; Conor Doyle,
SAVAL ; Pat Havern, Keelan Rice, Ryan Malone
TULLYLISH ; Joe McDermott

Very strange selection as I wouldn't know a number of these players.  How can you make a county U.21 squad when you can't make your club senior team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 21, 2014, 08:19:15 PM
No donal mckeever or Michael o'hare? Both top quality senior players and played well in both U21 finals a few weeks ago. Ronan McAlinden is one of An Riochts best players and only out of minors in 2012? Someone tell me these boys are illegible, please. Also highlander, Tom Grimley was a great player at midfield and full forward for the minors in 2012 and 2013, but I don't think he even played against kilclief when they beat St pauls in the championship this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on December 21, 2014, 09:00:01 PM
Report from the same panel 3 years ago as minors.

Down minors defeat Fermanagh in Brewster quarter-final

A second-half goal from Jack Haughey helped Down to a 1-11 to 1-8 victory over Fermanagh in Sunday's Ulster MFC quarter-final at Brewster Park.
The Mourne team held a 0-4 to 0-2 lead at the break and moved four points ahead early in the second half.
Fermanagh hit back with a 43rd minute goal from substitute Thomas McCaffrey.
Haughey slid in Down's goal six minutes later and the visitors went on to win by three points to set up a semi-final clash against Monaghan.

Down: R Burns, A McDonald, A Doherty, M O'Hare, D McKeever (0-1), R Wells, J McDermott (0-1), D Doyle (0-2), D McCarthy, C Gallagher, S McGonigle (0-1), R McAlinden, J Haughey (1-2), T Grimley (0-1), C McGrady (0-1). Subs: D McAleenan (0-1) for McGrady, P O'Hgaan for McGonigle, D McKeown (0-1) for Gallagher



1. R Burns  c'wellan
2. A Mcdonald  b'ford
3. A Doherty  d'patrick
4. M O'Hare  w'point
5. D Mckeever  carryduff
6. R Wells  b'ford
7. J Mcdermott  tullylish
8. D Doyle  an riocht
9. D Mccarthy  saval
10. C Gallagher  bosco
11. S Mcgonigle  carryduff
12. R Mcalinden  an riocht
13. J Hauhey   shamrocks
14. T Grimley  st pauls
15. C Mcgrady  d'patrick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on December 21, 2014, 09:10:13 PM
Can't understand why Miceal O'Hare CPN is not on the panel. I have watched him for CPN seniors who won Ulster Intermediate and CPN under 21's who won Down recently and he has been fantastic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on December 21, 2014, 09:26:49 PM
Starters from the minors in 2012 not even in the panel are Miceal O'Hare, Darren Doyle, Daniel Mc Carthy, Ronan Mc Alinden, Jack Haughey, Tom Grimley and I am sure there are other lads who were in this panel who have made good progress since. What point is Dawson trying to prove here, that he knows Down players better than any trials will prove?  His arrogance has always gotten the better of him and I guarantee that some of the names listed above will be in his panel come championship time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 21, 2014, 10:00:50 PM
Maybe he just didn't pick players who didn't go to trials? Who knows? It's a joke all the same, Daniel McCarthy, Donal McKeever, Tom Grimley all were out of minor at 2013 never mind 2012! What is frank playing at! What's the point in picking who very rarely make an appearance for their club seniors when there is some real 'cream of the crop' players out there whom have been playing in the county colours (wether or be minor,u17 etc) and consistently for the club seniors for the past few years!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on December 21, 2014, 10:04:11 PM
Toms only back from a torn cruciate played towards end of most of carryduffs u21 c'ship games but will take time coming back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on December 21, 2014, 10:08:10 PM
4 bryansford boys in and 3 from the point tells it's own story bryansfords u21s were atrocious
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 21, 2014, 10:10:55 PM
3 saval men too? However they are good players, they're 'thrown together last minute' 'ballysaval' team was nothing to go by on though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: One in All in on December 22, 2014, 09:56:36 AM
Find it hard to believe that Michael O'Hare having starred in Intermediate Championship and U 21 wins is not in top 36 U 21 players in the County. We must have some defence!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on December 22, 2014, 10:06:17 AM
Quote from: One in All in on December 22, 2014, 09:56:36 AM
Find it hard to believe that Michael O'Hare having starred in Intermediate Championship and U 21 wins is not in top 36 U 21 players in the County. We must have some defence!
Looking at the names on the list and in my opinion O'Hare has played as well if not better than most of them this year including his own team mates. Surprised me to not see the names of Mc Alinden and Doyle from the Kingdom and Mc Keever from Carryduff on the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 22, 2014, 01:22:19 PM
Perhaps the boys you mentioned didn't go to the trials - maybe you should investigate that before giving out. If they deem themselves too good for/not bothered about trials that isn't the attitude needed IMO. If they went and didn't get on that's a different issue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on December 23, 2014, 05:18:13 PM
Or unable to commit!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on December 23, 2014, 09:17:27 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on December 21, 2014, 10:04:11 PM
Toms only back from a torn cruciate played towards end of most of carryduffs u21 c'ship games but will take time coming back

Thanks, hope he makes it back

Did he always play for Carryduff? I thought it was St Pauls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 23, 2014, 09:19:55 PM
Carryduff allowed players From neighbouring areas (Bredagh and St pauls) to play for them in the U21's (I think), like ballyholland and saval. Good to hear Grimley is on the road to recovery, great player
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on December 23, 2014, 10:03:53 PM
you should do us all a favour and think harder.

would it really be a case of carryduff doing the allowing or the county board or croke park?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on December 23, 2014, 10:57:36 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 22, 2014, 01:22:19 PM
Perhaps the boys you mentioned didn't go to the trials - maybe you should investigate that before giving out. If they deem themselves too good for/not bothered about trials that isn't the attitude needed IMO. If they went and didn't get on that's a different issue.
Reminds me of a conversation I overheard couple years ago between two members from two north Down clubs suggesting that development squad training shouldn't  be on Saturdays as it interferes with soccer. Now there's attitude for you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 23, 2014, 11:13:23 PM
SG, Bredagh did not allow their players to turn out for Carryduff in the u21 championship and instead fielded their own team. It is also quite a stretch to describe St Paul's as a neighbour of Carryduff, as the two clubs are ten miles apart. However, if St Paul's were not going to enter the u21s, it is reasonable to give their players the chance to participate with another club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on December 23, 2014, 11:36:49 PM
3 of them played for carryduff and one played very very little as he was coming back from injury
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on December 26, 2014, 07:47:48 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 23, 2014, 09:19:55 PM
Carryduff allowed players From neighbouring areas (Bredagh and St pauls) to play for them in the U21's (I think), like ballyholland and saval. Good to hear Grimley is on the road to recovery, great player

How are Ballyholland & Saval neighbouring clubs to Carryduff?

If they are playing lads from those clubs at u21 they are ripping the hole out of it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 26, 2014, 08:30:12 PM
Lecale2 has just proven the theory that no matter what you write in an Internet forum, someone will find a way to misinterpret it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 26, 2014, 10:00:25 PM
Lecale, it appears you need to dust off the reading glasses. Simple mistake to make, no harm done! (My usage of commas may need to be repaired)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 27, 2014, 08:40:15 AM
Any word on the Mc Kenna Cup panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on December 28, 2014, 11:55:01 PM
Stephen Kane Cill Chua
Kieran Gordon Loch an Oileain
Gerard Collins RGU
Brendan McArdle Eanach Cluana
Arthur McConville Cluain Daimh
Niall Madine Sabhall
Damian Turley RGU
Conor Maginn Ath Bhriain
Cathal Crilly Caislean an Mhealluín
Packie Downey Droim Gaith
Chris McKay Naomh Eoin
Peter Fitzpatrick Baile Uí Mháirtin
Peter Turley RGU
Kevin Anderson Eanach Cluana
Donal O'Hare Boireann
Conor Laverty Cill Chua
Luke Howard Ath Bhriain
Darren O'Hagan Cluain Daimh
Danny McKay Naomh Eoin
Conor Garvey Droichead Mhaigh Eo
Kevin McKernan An Bhoireann
Niall Donnelly Tulach Lios
Darragh O'Hanlon Cill Chua
Paul Devlin Cill Chua
Conall McGovern Boireann
Malachy Magee Clann na Banna

McCorry not letting these lads play for their Uni's. Especially McKernan, needed for the Ranch more than us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 29, 2014, 12:11:46 AM
Good to see Kieran Gordon getting a shout, great shot stopper  for the minors and U21's all the way back in 2008-2009. Also good to see big Kevin Anderson back for the first time since 2011 and Luke Howard. Who is Banbridges Malachy Magee? What position ? In addition, the Ulster council, Paddy Tally, McAleenan, McGuckin and Wee James will all find mccorrys decision to select university players hard to swallow !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on December 29, 2014, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 29, 2014, 12:11:46 AM
Good to see Kieran Gordon getting a shout, great shot stopper  for the minors and U21's all the way back in 2008-2009. Also good to see big Kevin Anderson back for the first time since 2011 and Luke Howard. Who is Banbridges Malachy Magee? What position ? In addition, the Ulster council, Paddy Tally, McAleenan, McGuckin and Wee James will all find mccorrys decision to select university players hard to swallow !
Malachy Magee played u21 couple of years ago, plays hurling for Ballela, I think he was on hurling panel last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on December 29, 2014, 12:35:53 PM
Quote from: our_fella on December 28, 2014, 11:55:01 PM
Stephen Kane Cill Chua
Kieran Gordon Loch an Oileain
Gerard Collins RGU
Brendan McArdle Eanach Cluana
Arthur McConville Cluain Daimh
Niall Madine Sabhall
Damian Turley RGU
Conor Maginn Ath Bhriain
Cathal Crilly Caislean an Mhealluín
Packie Downey Droim Gaith
Chris McKay Naomh Eoin
Peter Fitzpatrick Baile Uí Mháirtin
Peter Turley RGU
Kevin Anderson Eanach Cluana
Donal O'Hare Boireann
Conor Laverty Cill Chua
Luke Howard Ath Bhriain
Darren O'Hagan Cluain Daimh
Danny McKay Naomh Eoin
Conor Garvey Droichead Mhaigh Eo
Kevin McKernan An Bhoireann
Niall Donnelly Tulach Lios
Darragh O'Hanlon Cill Chua
Paul Devlin Cill Chua
Conall McGovern Boireann
Malachy Magee Clann na Banna

McCorry not letting these lads play for their Uni's. Especially McKernan, needed for the Ranch more than us

So by giving the ranch the two johnstons, Barry Ohagan and keeping Mc Kernan we are not doing the right thing.  There is a small enough panel as it is without letting other players go to University for football.  Take into account we have 3 games in short space of time and indeed 2 games in 4 day period at one stage - the risk of injury as well as general tiredness means we need all hands to the pump.  Let tally do whatever the hell he wants - he threatened to pull out of the comp if he didn't get all his players - lets see has the balls to do as he says...

There are a number of division one clubs not represented - Ballyholland, Rostrevor, Liatroim, Longstone and Glen.  I know there are other teams in the county apart from division one clubs - but for 5 clubs in the top flight not to be represented is a bit strange...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgaa88 on December 29, 2014, 12:59:45 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 21, 2014, 09:26:49 PM
Starters from the minors in 2012 not even in the panel are Miceal O'Hare, Darren Doyle, Daniel Mc Carthy, Ronan Mc Alinden, Jack Haughey, Tom Grimley and I am sure there are other lads who were in this panel who have made good progress since. What point is Dawson trying to prove here, that he knows Down players better than any trials will prove?  His arrogance has always gotten the better of him and I guarantee that some of the names listed above will be in his panel come championship time.

From what I've heard Conal Gallagher is injured, and daniel mccarthy is only coming back from injury so i would imagine they will be brought into the setup when they are fit. Ronan McAlinden and Declan Doyle apparently can't commit and they other boys I would assume didn't make the trials. in fairness Miceal O'Hare is one of the best defenders in the county never mind at u21 level so he should have been a cert!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on December 29, 2014, 06:14:16 PM
Quote from: Downgaa88 on December 29, 2014, 12:59:45 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 21, 2014, 09:26:49 PM
Starters from the minors in 2012 not even in the panel are Miceal O'Hare, Darren Doyle, Daniel Mc Carthy, Ronan Mc Alinden, Jack Haughey, Tom Grimley and I am sure there are other lads who were in this panel who have made good progress since. What point is Dawson trying to prove here, that he knows Down players better than any trials will prove?  His arrogance has always gotten the better of him and I guarantee that some of the names listed above will be in his panel come championship time.

From what I've heard Conal Gallagher is injured, and daniel mccarthy is only coming back from injury so i would imagine they will be brought into the setup when they are fit. Ronan McAlinden and Declan Doyle apparently can't commit and they other boys I would assume didn't make the trials. in fairness Miceal O'Hare is one of the best defenders in the county never mind at u21 level so he should have been a cert!

I named the main players who you would have thought should have been included in this years panel and as far as I know, they all played regularly for their clubs last year, which is more than can be said for some of the players Dawson has picked.  I don't know if they all attended trials or not but I would assume that they all have aspirations of making it at senior level.  In relation to Daniel Mc Carthy, he couldn't even be arsed playing for his club in the U.21 competition never mind the county and it is nothing to do with injury and as for leaving Miceal O'Hare out of the panel it just doesn't make sense.  I reckon there will be changes to the panel before long.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on December 29, 2014, 08:58:41 PM
I'm a bit confused by the panel. How many players have not been selected and instead allowed to play for a university?

And I presume Warrenpoint players not been selected as they have the All-Ireland series to commit to at club level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 29, 2014, 10:06:04 PM
Caolan mooney (and maybe Conor Gough or Chris Duggan) for Jordanstown (I think), Micky Cunningham and Gearard McGovern for Queens ( I think ) and Barry O'hagan and the 2 Johnstons for St. Mary's. However I'm not sure wether or not the university panels have been released yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on December 29, 2014, 10:18:56 PM
The panel is as follows as mentioned above:

Stephen Kane Cill Chua
Kieran Gordon Loch an Oileain
Gerard Collins RGU
Brendan McArdle Eanach Cluana
Arthur McConville Cluain Daimh
Niall Madine Sabhall
Damian Turley RGU
Conor Maginn Ath Bhriain
Cathal Crilly Caislean an Mhealluín
Packie Downey Droim Gaith
Chris McKay Naomh Eoin
Peter Fitzpatrick Baile Uí Mháirtin
Peter Turley RGU
Kevin Anderson Eanach Cluana
Donal O'Hare Boireann
Conor Laverty Cill Chua
Luke Howard Ath Bhriain
Darren O'Hagan Cluain Daimh
Danny McKay Naomh Eoin
Conor Garvey Droichead Mhaigh Eo
Kevin McKernan An Bhoireann
Niall Donnelly Tulach Lios
Darragh O'Hanlon Cill Chua
Paul Devlin Cill Chua
Conall McGovern Boireann
Malachy Magee Clann na Banna

I must say that it is a refreshing with plenty of new faces.  How many of them will make the NFL is another thing but as long as Mc Corry gives as many as possible a chance to prove themselves then at least we will have meaningful competition for places rather than some just happy to turn up and take the gear.  What worries me is that there are no 'man markers' in his squad, a lad you could say to 'go, mark him, stick tight, deny possession, don't let him round you, contact at all times, give him hell.'  There is no one in that squad who can do that and hopefully he can bring in a few of the Kilcoo men in the future who perfectly suited to this.  If there are any other men with these qualities in the county who do you think they are?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 29, 2014, 11:57:39 PM
LB, I honestly thought that he would have introduced Niall and Daryl branningan to the set up, with other sticky man markers like Gerard McEvoy or Gearard McGovern or even Miceal O'Hare, however he has been overlooked (allegedly) for the U21's and has commitments to the Points all Ireland drive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on December 30, 2014, 11:24:14 AM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 29, 2014, 11:57:39 PM
LB, I honestly thought that he would have introduced Niall and Daryl branningan to the set up, with other sticky man markers like Gerard McEvoy or Gearard McGovern or even Miceal O'Hare, however he has been overlooked (allegedly) for the U21's and has commitments to the Points all Ireland drive.
No allegedly about it he has not been named in the squad yet 3 other point lads have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on December 30, 2014, 11:51:25 AM
But he may not have been overlooked, he could have pulled out or declined an invite to join the panel or the trial games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on December 30, 2014, 09:55:46 PM
He neither pulled out nor declined an invite to join the panel. He was simply overlooked (a nice way of saying Dawson thinks he is not good enough) which is an absolute disgrace as he is one of the best defenders in the county at least at under 21 Level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 04, 2015, 03:27:54 PM
Anyone know Down 15 today. Looks like a poor enough performance against div 2 team that we will be competing against for promotion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 04, 2015, 04:42:08 PM
S Kane
D o Hagan L Howard G Collins
D Turley  N Madine  B Mc Ardle
    K Anderson   C Mc Kay
P Devlin C maginn k Mc Kernan
C Laverty A Mc Conville D o Hare
Subs
C Crilly for K Anderson
D Mc Kay for C Mc Kay
M Magee for A Mc Conville
C Garvey for C Maginn
C Mc Govern for D o Hare
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 04, 2015, 04:48:12 PM
Poor game. Positives to take out of it none the less
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 04, 2015, 04:50:12 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 04, 2015, 03:27:54 PM
Anyone know Down 15 today. Looks like a poor enough performance against div 2 team that we will be competing against for promotion.
1 s kane 2 d O'Hagan 3 L howard 4 g collins 5 d turley 6 n madine 7 b mcardle 8 k Anderson 9 c mckay 10 p devlin 11 c maginn 12 k mckernan 13 c Laverty 14 a mcconville  15 d o'hare.
subs that came on were; c crilly, c garvey, m magee, d mckay and c mc govern.

early days but it was a very disjointed down performance. after a bright start down faded and cavan deservedly won.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 04, 2015, 05:01:19 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 04, 2015, 04:48:12 PM
Poor game. Positives to take out of it none the less

I'd love to know what the positives were as I'm struggling to think of any.  Two corner backs maybe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 04, 2015, 05:14:04 PM
Full back line was my only positive to be fair. Annoyed at the way Cavan completely compromised out sweeper system by pushing up so they only left 3 men back yet nothing was done about it. Not liking this zonal marking, sweeper system already.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on January 04, 2015, 05:21:23 PM
How did McKay do in midfield?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 04, 2015, 05:21:57 PM
The corner backs were OK. Madine had a few handling errors but competed well at both centre half and midfield and at least give us a physical presence down the middle.

Apart from that, and a couple of flashes from Laverty, it was a poor display from what was admittedly an understrength team. We did not start too badly, but conceding two goals in about a minute, one from a dubious penalty and the second from a pretty dreadful McKernan mistake,  effectively finished us off before half time.

It's early days, but we might have expected a bit more from McKernan and O'Hare. Devlin is another experienced player who failed to impose himself apart from a couple of late points when the game was really over. His missed penalty indicated a lack of confidence, and he was lucky to get away from a yellow for a late follow-through.

Very few of the newer faces did themselves many favours, and we can anticipate quite a few changes for the trip to Monaghan next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 04, 2015, 05:29:17 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 04, 2015, 04:48:12 PM
Poor game. Positives to take out of it none the less
WGM got to this before me. The two CBs and Dee Turley showed a bit and I think Madine could do a job at CHB but overall a pretty poor performance all round. No point in highlighting individual players as not much more than a friendly which a fair few of us paid a tenner in to see. The main point of interest was to see Mc Corry in his competitive debut. There's a theory that he has deliberately chosen low-profile mentors so it is clear who is the boss. Well, could do better is the first report then. Taking off a relatively young player just before half-time is not really a confidence-booster. Some positional changes were baffling. Nominating a player not playing well to take a penalty is not really good judgement. Cavan were no great shakes but they were a fair bit better than us so a long hard season ahead :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 04, 2015, 06:31:40 PM
Gerdie Collins and Darren O'Hagan were the two standout performers for Down today.
Great to see a lot of the newcomers getting a chance on the big stage.
Cavan definitely had the greater physical presence with most of their players having graduated from their successful U-21 teams of the past while.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on January 04, 2015, 07:53:33 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on January 04, 2015, 05:29:17 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 04, 2015, 04:48:12 PM
Poor game. Positives to take out of it none the less
WGM got to this before me. The two CBs and Dee Turley showed a bit and I think Madine could do a job at CHB but overall a pretty poor performance all round. No point in highlighting individual players as not much more than a friendly which a fair few of us paid a tenner in to see. The main point of interest was to see Mc Corry in his competitive debut. There's a theory that he has deliberately chosen low-profile mentors so it is clear who is the boss. Well, could do better is the first report then. Taking off a relatively young player just before half-time is not really a confidence-booster. Some positional changes were baffling. Nominating a player not playing well to take a penalty is not really good judgement. Cavan were no great shakes but they were a fair bit better than us so a long hard season ahead :(

Totally agree Dubh driocht, think it's pretty obvious at this stage that McCurry likes to be the general, hence his management team, no disrespect to the two guys, but Copeland seems a good guy but is clearly out of his depth, some jump from Down ladies to Down senior men's team, and John is too nice a guy. The substitution of Kevin Anderson was a disgrace one minute before half time in a glorified challenge game and young Mc Kay who did well for his senior inter county debut pulled aside after a half wasn't good either. Positives, hard to know, but I'd be concerned about our lack of shape, direction and effort. Extremely cold day, poor display and a steep entrance fee to say the least, 5 quid would have been sufficient.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 04, 2015, 08:04:49 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 04, 2015, 05:21:57 PM
The corner backs were OK. Madine had a few handling errors but competed well at both centre half and midfield and at least give us a physical presence down the middle.

Apart from that, and a couple of flashes from Laverty, it was a poor display from what was admittedly an understrength team. We did not start too badly, but conceding two goals in about a minute, one from a dubious penalty and the second from a pretty dreadful McKernan mistake,  effectively finished us off before half time.

It's early days, but we might have expected a bit more from McKernan and O'Hare. Devlin is another experienced player who failed to impose himself apart from a couple of late points when the game was really over. His missed penalty indicated a lack of confidence, and he was lucky to get away from a yellow for a late follow-through.

Very few of the newer faces did themselves many favours, and we can anticipate quite a few changes for the trip to Monaghan next week.

Who exactly is going to come in to strengthen the team?  Seems like a very disappointing start for both players and management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 04, 2015, 08:11:34 PM
Completely agree with redandblackareback, dismayed with the fact that mccorry dragged off Kevy Anderson after he was playing well as a driving force from the half back Line and midfield. Also confused as to why he played both McKay and Anderson in midfield, both being attack oriented players. Don't think either player made a clean catch. However both players looked effective going forward especially when they took on players. Very little attacking players on this current panel fit this new sweeper game plan. Felt sorry for both mckays and Kevin Anderson.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 04, 2015, 08:19:19 PM
Midfield as very poor in first half and even worse in second half ( Paul Devlin midfield wtf ).  I can't see any of those at midfield today starting there come the national league.

I wouldnt feel sorry for any of them, they weren't performing so taken off, simples !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 04, 2015, 08:46:59 PM
Line Ball, the players who are unavailable as opposed to allegedly retired are Cunningham,  who is in goals for QUB,  Savage and the Johnston brothers who are with UUJ, O'Hanlon, who is on holidays, Donnelly who is injured, Carr and Poland, who are on their respective honeymoons, and the four Warrenpoint guys, Boyle, Mallon, McCartan and McGarry. Throw in Fitzpatrick and Peter Turley, who were unused subs today, and there is practically an entire team which is arguably stronger than the starting 15 today.

There is every reason to hope that Clarke will also return, and it would not be a major surprise if Ambrose, Gordon and even Benny were to appear again later in the year.

No one will be too upset about a McKenna Cup defeat, even if we looked well off the pace, and the point of the competition is to find a couple of new faces who can initially press for a league place. Collins could be one of them and Chris McKay is worth another run.

What was disappointing today was the lack of an effective game plan and the low-key response when we conceded a couple of bad goals, but people will remember that we lost at home to Antrim at the same stage last year with what looked like a much more capable squad. McCorry is an experienced coach and he will know that we will have to be in better shape before we go to Kildare for our first league fixture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 04, 2015, 08:53:14 PM
Gearard McGovern also unavailable as he is playing full back for queens. Agree with your post Mounre Rover. No point in over analysing a McKenna Cup game. It really is early days yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 04, 2015, 10:34:52 PM
Caolan Mooney also playing for UUJ. No need to get carried away folks 4th Jan first game of the year, calm down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 04, 2015, 10:52:44 PM
It was the first competitive match of the season.

It was the first competitive match for a new management team.

It was the first time that half these players had taken to the field with each other.

This is the pre-pre season competition. It matters marginally less than a club RFC. It's used to prune players and test players. It's January, the grass is 4" long and it's about 3 degrees.

Tactics don't come into it. what players do today has no relevance on what they'll do in May.

It's closer to a waste of time than a meaningful exercise.

So calm the f**k down lads.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on January 04, 2015, 10:55:09 PM
Is Cunningham the only one playing for Queens, and have we no one at the Ranch?



Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 04, 2015, 08:46:59 PM
Line Ball, the players who are unavailable as opposed to allegedly retired are Cunningham,  who is in goals for QUB,  Savage and the Johnston brothers who are with UUJ, O'Hanlon, who is on holidays, Donnelly who is injured, Carr and Poland, who are on their respective honeymoons, and the four Warrenpoint guys, Boyle, Mallon, McCartan and McGarry. Throw in Fitzpatrick and Peter Turley, who were unused subs today, and there is practically an entire team which is arguably stronger than the starting 15 today.

There is every reason to hope that Clarke will also return, and it would not be a major surprise if Ambrose, Gordon and even Benny were to appear again later in the year.

No one will be too upset about a McKenna Cup defeat, even if we looked well off the pace, and the point of the competition is to find a couple of new faces who can initially press for a league place. Collins could be one of them and Chris McKay is worth another run.

What was disappointing today was the lack of an effective game plan and the low-key response when we conceded a couple of bad goals, but people will remember that we lost at home to Antrim at the same stage last year with what looked like a much more capable squad. McCorry is an experienced coach and he will know that we will have to be in better shape before we go to Kildare for our first league fixture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 04, 2015, 11:37:02 PM
From Down game
Quote from: Dubh driocht on January 04, 2015, 05:29:17 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 04, 2015, 04:48:12 PM
Poor game. Positives to take out of it none the less
WGM got to this before me. The two CBs and Dee Turley showed a bit and I think Madine could do a job at CHB but overall a pretty poor performance all round. No point in highlighting individual players as not much more than a friendly which a fair few of us paid a tenner in to see. The main point of interest was to see Mc Corry in his competitive debut. There's a theory that he has deliberately chosen low-profile mentors so it is clear who is the boss. Well, could do better is the first report then. Taking off a relatively young player just before half-time is not really a confidence-booster. Some positional changes were baffling. Nominating a player not playing well to take a penalty is not really good judgement. Cavan were no great shakes but they were a fair bit better than us so a long hard season ahead :(

From Antrim game
Quote from: Dreen on January 04, 2015, 11:24:32 PM
Poor game, played a lot of sideways football with absolutely no ball into ff line in first half. Changed in 2nd half when Magill came on but when he was hit there's was nobody taking it off him and he ended up out near the 45. Personally I wouldn't have much optimism for the year but I'm in pessimistic mood these days. CJ with some compete scrapbook moments which took the pain of the £8 admission fee abit. Laverty, Burke,McAleer and Carron in patches for me, new goalkeeper top is a thing of beauty as well.

£8 into the game in Antrim but according to Dubh driocht it was £10 into the Down game.  I thought the admission was the same into all Mc Kenna Cup games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 05, 2015, 06:47:34 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on January 04, 2015, 11:37:02 PM
From Down game
Quote from: Dubh driocht on January 04, 2015, 05:29:17 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 04, 2015, 04:48:12 PM
Poor game. Positives to take out of it none the less
WGM got to this before me. The two CBs and Dee Turley showed a bit and I think Madine could do a job at CHB but overall a pretty poor performance all round. No point in highlighting individual players as not much more than a friendly which a fair few of us paid a tenner in to see. The main point of interest was to see Mc Corry in his competitive debut. There's a theory that he has deliberately chosen low-profile mentors so it is clear who is the boss. Well, could do better is the first report then. Taking off a relatively young player just before half-time is not really a confidence-booster. Some positional changes were baffling. Nominating a player not playing well to take a penalty is not really good judgement. Cavan were no great shakes but they were a fair bit better than us so a long hard season ahead :(

From Antrim game
Quote from: Dreen on January 04, 2015, 11:24:32 PM
Poor game, played a lot of sideways football with absolutely no ball into ff line in first half. Changed in 2nd half when Magill came on but when he was hit there's was nobody taking it off him and he ended up out near the 45. Personally I wouldn't have much optimism for the year but I'm in pessimistic mood these days. CJ with some compete scrapbook moments which took the pain of the £8 admission fee abit. Laverty, Burke,McAleer and Carron in patches for me, new goalkeeper top is a thing of beauty as well.

£8 into the game in Antrim but according to Dubh driocht it was £10 into the Down game.  I thought the admission was the same into all Mc Kenna Cup games

it was 8 quid into the game in newry, which is still to much. 5 or 6quid would have more than enough to see what was no more than a glorified challenge game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 05, 2015, 08:27:10 AM

Highlander, we have Barry o'hagan and the two Johnstons with St Mary's. At queens we have Micky Cunningham, Gearard McGovern, Ruari Wells and Michael Monan (Darragh Cross).




Quote from: Highlander3 on January 04, 2015, 10:55:09 PM
Is Cunningham the only one playing for Queens, and have we no one at the Ranch?



Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 04, 2015, 08:46:59 PM
Line Ball, the players who are unavailable as opposed to allegedly retired are Cunningham,  who is in goals for QUB,  Savage and the Johnston brothers who are with UUJ, O'Hanlon, who is on holidays, Donnelly who is injured, Carr and Poland, who are on their respective honeymoons, and the four Warrenpoint guys, Boyle, Mallon, McCartan and McGarry. Throw in Fitzpatrick and Peter Turley, who were unused subs today, and there is practically an entire team which is arguably stronger than the starting 15 today.

There is every reason to hope that Clarke will also return, and it would not be a major surprise if Ambrose, Gordon and even Benny were to appear again later in the year.

No one will be too upset about a McKenna Cup defeat, even if we looked well off the pace, and the point of the competition is to find a couple of new faces who can initially press for a league place. Collins could be one of them and Chris McKay is worth another run.

What was disappointing today was the lack of an effective game plan and the low-key response when we conceded a couple of bad goals, but people will remember that we lost at home to Antrim at the same stage last year with what looked like a much more capable squad. McCorry is an experienced coach and he will know that we will have to be in better shape before we go to Kildare for our first league fixture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 05, 2015, 09:03:43 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 04, 2015, 10:52:44 PM
It was the first competitive match of the season.

It was the first competitive match for a new management team.

It was the first time that half these players had taken to the field with each other.

This is the pre-pre season competition. It matters marginally less than a club RFC. It's used to prune players and test players. It's January, the grass is 4" long and it's about 3 degrees.

Tactics don't come into it. what players do today has no relevance on what they'll do in May.

It's closer to a waste of time than a meaningful exercise.

So calm the f**k down lads.

Regardless of all this you would still expect a level of competency or consistency in executing the basic skills of our game, especially from more seasoned players.
Our lack of physicality or should I say ability to tackle or make contact with a blue jersey was astounding. We let a lightweight Cavan side dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge their way around us at times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on January 05, 2015, 10:40:46 AM
Can anyone answer me this.. If Mooney has just returned from Oz, and went straight from school, is he able to play Sigerson too, as do you not have to play freshers before you can play sigerson? Or is the McKenna cup different?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 05, 2015, 12:09:49 PM
Quote from: Ulsterman09 on January 05, 2015, 11:24:09 AM
Quote from: Downgaa88 on December 29, 2014, 12:59:45 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 21, 2014, 09:26:49 PM
Starters from the minors in 2012 not even in the panel are Miceal O'Hare, Darren Doyle, Daniel Mc Carthy, Ronan Mc Alinden, Jack Haughey, Tom Grimley and I am sure there are other lads who were in this panel who have made good progress since. What point is Dawson trying to prove here, that he knows Down players better than any trials will prove?  His arrogance has always gotten the better of him and I guarantee that some of the names listed above will be in his panel come championship time.

From what I've heard Conal Gallagher is injured, and daniel mccarthy is only coming back from injury so i would imagine they will be brought into the setup when they are fit. Ronan McAlinden and Declan Doyle apparently can't commit and they other boys I would assume didn't make the trials. in fairness Miceal O'Hare is one of the best defenders in the county never mind at u21 level so he should have been a cert!

I find this u21 set up quite unbelieveable, from the management team right down to the training schedule. Without doubt Dawson has carried favouritism with his bryansford contingent as well as with the other two selectors in Brendan mason (senior manager of darragh cross and former carryduff manager) and paddy Murray (kilcoo coach) The lads who have been starting and playing well for their seinors all year have been overlooked to players who just show up to trials, players who have never made the seinor grade or 2nds players, players nobody has heard of, have all seemed to be given the chance in some cases anyway! No harm to the lads who have been picked, But the management has a lot to answer for by not selecting the 'real cream of the crop' and I hate to say it but when Derry beat Down, Dawson should be given the boot. I have followed this age group since u14 and you see the players who drop off due to losing interest, university, soccer etc, and you see the players who develop naturally into their position and become real seinor players. I could pick a team that would beat the current u21 team right now. I just hope to God, Dawson sees sense before it's too late.

Knock yourself out there and name that team.
Don't go holding back on your first post either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on January 05, 2015, 12:58:11 PM
Mckeever from carryduff, phare from cpn and possibly Harney from saul are 3 players I would've thought are definitely good enough yet weren't picked
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on January 05, 2015, 01:00:12 PM
3 loughinisland and 4 bryansford tells it's own story
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 05, 2015, 06:29:04 PM
Reports in the Irish News say that Gearard McGovern had fermanaghs best player (for the past 4 years) Sean Quigley 'well marshalled' as he only scored one point fom play. They also reported that he and Micky Cunningham are 'within McCorrys plans' for the full panel. Any truth to this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on January 05, 2015, 06:44:06 PM
Early days although Tyrone and Armagh weren't taking it lightly by looks of things!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outback on January 05, 2015, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on January 05, 2015, 01:00:12 PM
3 loughinisland and 4 bryansford tells it's own story
Managers have different points of view. If Dawson had been the
Manager of the Minors in 2012-I could understand the fuss but these
are the players he thinks are up to it in 2015 at U21.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on January 05, 2015, 07:35:20 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on January 05, 2015, 12:09:49 PM
Quote from: Ulsterman09 on January 05, 2015, 11:24:09 AM
Quote from: Downgaa88 on December 29, 2014, 12:59:45 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 21, 2014, 09:26:49 PM
Starters from the minors in 2012 not even in the panel are Miceal O'Hare, Darren Doyle, Daniel Mc Carthy, Ronan Mc Alinden, Jack Haughey, Tom Grimley and I am sure there are other lads who were in this panel who have made good progress since. What point is Dawson trying to prove here, that he knows Down players better than any trials will prove?  His arrogance has always gotten the better of him and I guarantee that some of the names listed above will be in his panel come championship time.

From what I've heard Conal Gallagher is injured, and daniel mccarthy is only coming back from injury so i would imagine they will be brought into the setup when they are fit. Ronan McAlinden and Declan Doyle apparently can't commit and they other boys I would assume didn't make the trials. in fairness Miceal O'Hare is one of the best defenders in the county never mind at u21 level so he should have been a cert!

I find this u21 set up quite unbelieveable, from the management team right down to the training schedule. Without doubt Dawson has carried favouritism with his bryansford contingent as well as with the other two selectors in Brendan mason (senior manager of darragh cross and former carryduff manager) and paddy Murray (kilcoo coach) The lads who have been starting and playing well for their seinors all year have been overlooked to players who just show up to trials, players who have never made the seinor grade or 2nds players, players nobody has heard of, have all seemed to be given the chance in some cases anyway! No harm to the lads who have been picked, But the management has a lot to answer for by not selecting the 'real cream of the crop' and I hate to say it but when Derry beat Down, Dawson should be given the boot. I have followed this age group since u14 and you see the players who drop off due to losing interest, university, soccer etc, and you see the players who develop naturally into their position and become real seinor players. I could pick a team that would beat the current u21 team right now. I just hope to God, Dawson sees sense before it's too late.

Knock yourself out there and name that team.
Don't go holding back on your first post either.
Has a first 15 been picked already? Would be interested to see your team of 15 to take on the current squad.Dawson has chosen his squad so lets just see how they get on. I am sure the lads selected are delighted to be part of it and will give their all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 05, 2015, 11:55:50 PM
Obviously a personal gripe in there in some shape or form, some opening post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on January 06, 2015, 01:30:07 PM
After reading Mc Corry's interview in the Belfast Tele. where he is complaining about the blanket defence tactics of Cavan on Sunday where Down were up against one and sometimes two sweepers. Well from what I seen on Sunday Mc Corry had Kevin Mc Kernan playing as a sweeper for the majority of the match and Down were certainly not playing this open football as Mc Corry eludes to. As a matter of fact you could nearly have brought both sidelines in about 15 yeards each and very few Down attacks would have went over these lines. Sundays match was very little to do with tactics from Cavan nor Down for that matter. Cavan were hungrier, Down made far too many mistakes, Cavan tackled hard not allowing the Down defence out easily whilst Cavan defence came out without hardly being touched. Now I'm not going to worry about a result in the first week in January but surely the manager should have more cop on than to go slating the tactics of Cavan in a Mc Kenna cup game, we have enough problems of our own to sort out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 06, 2015, 04:54:11 PM
  U21'S and Seniors in disarray--it's January. Sober up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 06, 2015, 07:23:26 PM
Good to hear about Jim McCorry talking (in the Irish news) about Marty Clarke joining up with the panel in a while.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 06, 2015, 10:01:45 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 06, 2015, 07:23:26 PM
Good to hear about Jim McCorry talking (in the Irish news) about Marty Clarke joining up with the panel in a while.
still think he could have showed the same leeway to benny and a couple of others.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 06, 2015, 10:40:17 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 06, 2015, 10:01:45 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 06, 2015, 07:23:26 PM
Good to hear about Jim McCorry talking (in the Irish news) about Marty Clarke joining up with the panel in a while.
still think he could have showed the same leeway to benny and a couple of others.

Great column by paddy Heaney. Although he didn't explicitly state his own personal opinion he subtly connoted towards siding with giving the old guard a rest, which I completely agree with. Benny or Dan  G didn't have to go in the manner in which they did. Good article with good quotes also. Thought he would have mentioned other players that couldn't commit to the '5 days training or nothing' and were turned down by McCorry, however id say that particular story has been kept within our confines, however he did mention it briefly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 07, 2015, 09:22:57 AM
anyone care to stick the article up here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on January 07, 2015, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 05, 2015, 06:29:04 PM
Reports in the Irish News say that Gearard McGovern had fermanaghs best player (for the past 4 years) Sean Quigley 'well marshalled' as he only scored one point fom play. They also reported that he and Micky Cunningham are 'within McCorrys plans' for the full panel. Any truth to this?

The same Gerard McGovern that was ran all over the place against The Point in the U-21 Final? How Miceal O'Hare isn't deemed good enough for the Down U-21 Panel is farcical.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FermGael on January 07, 2015, 03:15:02 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 05, 2015, 06:29:04 PM
Reports in the Irish News say that Gearard McGovern had fermanaghs best player (for the past 4 years) Sean Quigley 'well marshalled' as he only scored one point fom play.

In one word no
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 08, 2015, 08:34:19 AM
For the unwashed among us it might be beneficial to give us their full names and clubs perhaps.
Or at least a little more detail.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 08, 2015, 09:00:02 AM
There must be good reasons some of these lads aren't on the panel - not sure who some of them are however Jordan Fegan and Tomas Mulholland from Rostrevor were injured (long term) and unable to commit respectively at the time of the trials.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 08, 2015, 10:30:50 AM
I think il go with Dawson's judgement on this one.
Why anyone would leave so called better players off a panel is just strange, so there must be rational reasons for their selections.
The management team are employed to choose the most suitable players to represent us at U21 level. Sometimes this isn't always the most talented or celebrated.
U21 is a tricky grade and there can be lots of reasons why people don't make county panels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 08, 2015, 11:53:00 AM
First post.
Some selections that you have made are laughable ulster man
I'll not name any individuals but that defence is terrible.As brick tamlin  has said I will trust Frank on this one.You must have been one of the lads left out ulster man??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on January 08, 2015, 02:05:15 PM
Realistically we need to write this season off, then get rid off Mc Corry who should never have been appointed in the first place. I would not question his commitment, but his lack of ability is plain for all to see.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 08, 2015, 02:40:43 PM
Some craic in January Pangurban.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on January 08, 2015, 02:41:17 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 08, 2015, 02:05:15 PM
Realistically we need to write this season off, then get rid off Mc Corry who should never have been appointed in the first place. I would not question his commitment, but his lack of ability is plain for all to see.



this must be a wind up ? surely you cant be serious? the man has played one match with 75% of the starting line up new to the county set up.
many may say that his stance on the established players is harsh but maybe he is trying to build a strong team of workers to compensate for the lack of real class that just isn't in down football at the minute

but to say right the season off after one game is crazy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 08, 2015, 03:28:52 PM
Quote from: islandchampions08 on January 08, 2015, 02:41:17 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on January 08, 2015, 02:05:15 PM
Realistically we need to write this season off, then get rid off Mc Corry who should never have been appointed in the first place. I would not question his commitment, but his lack of ability is plain for all to see.



this must be a wind up ? surely you cant be serious? the man has played one match with 75% of the starting line up new to the county set up.
many may say that his stance on the established players is harsh but maybe he is trying to build a strong team of workers to compensate for the lack of real class that just isn't in down football at the minute

but to say right the season off after one game is crazy

No harm to you Islandchampions08 but put the mouse down/take your finger off the pad  and do a bit more reading on here before commenting on a post like that;-)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 08, 2015, 05:00:59 PM
   5 Sams, what do you mean ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on January 08, 2015, 05:32:28 PM




No harm to you Islandchampions08 but put the mouse down/take your finger off the pad  and do a bit more reading on here before commenting on a post like that;-)
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WHAT AM I MISSING?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 08, 2015, 06:14:53 PM
Where are we going to play Mooney against Kildare?I would like to see him tried in midfield along with big Turley.Turley can be the defensive midfielder and let Mooney attack.I think he is going to be frightening going forward.I for one can't wait to see him play in the red and black.He is going to make a massive difference to Down football this year.Whats peoples thoughts on the team v Kildare.Here goes
Cunningham
O Hagen
McArdle
Howard
McKernan
Garvey
D Turley
Mooney
P Turley
R Johnstone
Poland
Maginn
O Hare
Johnstone
Laverty

Lads to come in...Madine,Carr,Collins,Devlin,.I would say that I have missed someone big
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 08, 2015, 07:32:44 PM
Pangur ban is takin the piss lads.....do you really think along standing poster on here like him is going to make a judgement like that on McCorry after one McKenna Cup game....wake up lads.    (Btw if he is serious I'll give him a bollockin myself.)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 08, 2015, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 08, 2015, 07:32:44 PM
Pangur ban is takin the piss lads.....do you really think along standing poster on here like him is going to make a judgement like that on McCorry after one McKenna Cup game....wake up lads.    (Btw if he is serious I'll give him a bollockin myself.)
Thanks- I thought that myself but I'm wondering now as I've looked back on his posts
and he appears not to be a fan of McCorry's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 08, 2015, 09:02:29 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on January 08, 2015, 10:30:50 AM
I think il go with Dawson's judgement on this one.
Why anyone would leave so called better players off a panel is just strange, so there must be rational reasons for their selections.
The management team are employed to choose the most suitable players to represent us at U21 level. Sometimes this isn't always the most talented or celebrated.
U21 is a tricky grade and there can be lots of reasons why people don't make county panels.


Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 08, 2015, 11:53:00 AM
First post.
Some selections that you have made are laughable ulster man
I'll not name any individuals but that defence is terrible.As brick tamlin  has said I will trust Frank on this one.You must have been one of the lads left out ulster man??

That's what Antrim thought and look at the way he handled that one and where it got them.  I wouldn't be convinced by Dawson's record at county level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 08, 2015, 09:11:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 08, 2015, 06:14:53 PM
Where are we going to play Mooney against Kildare?I would like to see him tried in midfield along with big Turley.Turley can be the defensive midfielder and let Mooney attack.I think he is going to be frightening going forward.I for one can't wait to see him play in the red and black.He is going to make a massive difference to Down football this year.Whats peoples thoughts on the team v Kildare.Here goes
Cunningham
O Hagen
McArdle
Howard
McKernan
Garvey
D Turley
Mooney
P Turley
R Johnstone
Poland
Maginn
O Hare
Johnstone
Laverty

Lads to come in...Madine,Carr,Collins,Devlin,.I would say that I have missed someone big

Kevin McKernan in defence, Mooney at midfield and 5 forwards at 5ft 9 r under in forward line.  Apart from that not bad!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 08, 2015, 09:32:07 PM
Niall Madine could come into that forward line but is he any better than any of the full forward line??
Where else would you play KMC if not in defence?I know he is not a forward and has not the physicality for midfield.Mooney the first name on the teamsheet so he has to start.what would your preferred team be whitegoodman?I agree with you about small forwards
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 08, 2015, 09:47:56 PM
I hope Mooney  lives up to all that is expected of the lad. He hasn't had a lot of experience playing at a high level. It will take him a while to adapt to the rigours of senior inter county duty.He is a huge boost to have him back in the red and black but I wouldn't expect him to be the saviour just yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 08, 2015, 10:02:54 PM
Mooney is the real deal lads.NP76 what would your starting team be for the Kildare game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 08, 2015, 10:16:56 PM
We don't know how good or bad Mooney is until he plays a number of games at senior level.  He hasn't played senior football for quite a while and even then he had very few games at club senior level never mind inter county level.

He was an incredible talent at underage level but so was Liam Howlett, Shane Ward and PJ McAlinden.  It doesn't always mean that this will follow through to senior level.  I thinks expectations should be lowered a bit for the sake of the lad himself and he certainly shouldn't be the first man on the team sheet and I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't start at all against Kildare and is used sparingly initially.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 08, 2015, 10:24:15 PM
Fair point.But from known Caolan he will not be happy just to sit on the bench he will want to start every game.We can't take a man home from Australia to sit on the bench surely not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 08, 2015, 10:49:25 PM
A lot can change from now to the start of the league with injuries players form and whether the point lads come on board but here goes with a team
Mickey Cunningham
Luke Howard
Aiden Carr
Gerald Collins / Benny Mc Ardle
Darren O hagan
Conor Garvey
Coalan Mooney
Peter Turley
KevinMc Kernan/ Peter Fitzpatrick
Paul Devlin
Conor Maginn
Ryan Johnson
Jerome Johnson
Conor Laverty
Donal o Hare

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 09, 2015, 09:38:44 AM
Relax yourselves folks, no need for the extra expectation and pressure on Caolan. Yes he is a great talent but one player doesn't make a team. No doubt he has the potential to have a big impact for club and county but it will definitely take him time to adjust and get used to inter county level gaelic football. Has anyone seen him play for UUJ or Rostrevor U21s out of interest? Let's not get too down if he doesn't score 2-5 from midfield against Kildare! Give the lad time to form relationships with those round him on the field first.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on January 09, 2015, 04:02:49 PM
Most of these teams feature D O'Hare, am I the only one that thinks he needs to prove his worth this year after 2 mediocre years in a Down jersey?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 09, 2015, 04:56:18 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on January 08, 2015, 10:49:25 PM
A lot can change from now to the start of the league with injuries players form and whether the point lads come on board but here goes with a team
Mickey Cunningham
Luke Howard
Aiden Carr
Gerald Collins / Benny Mc Ardle
Darren O hagan
Conor Garvey
Coalan Mooney
Peter Turley
KevinMc Kernan/ Peter Fitzpatrick
Paul Devlin
Conor Maginn
Ryan Johnson
Jerome Johnson
Conor Laverty
Donal o Hare

4/6 forwards from the one club would be some sort of record I suspect. I can't see it happening. Nor would I want it to.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 09, 2015, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: speculative on January 09, 2015, 04:02:49 PM
Most of these teams feature D O'Hare, am I the only one that thinks he needs to prove his worth this year after 2 mediocre years in a Down jersey?

Donal has the potential to be our best inside forward but on current form I would have him behind Laverty, jerome and mcgarry for a corner forward spot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 09, 2015, 05:55:56 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on January 09, 2015, 04:56:18 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on January 08, 2015, 10:49:25 PM
A lot can change from now to the start of the league with injuries players form and whether the point lads come on board but here goes with a team
Mickey Cunningham
Luke Howard
Aiden Carr
Gerald Collins / Benny Mc Ardle
Darren O hagan
Conor Garvey
Coalan Mooney
Peter Turley
KevinMc Kernan/ Peter Fitzpatrick
Paul Devlin
Conor Maginn
Ryan Johnson
Jerome Johnson
Conor Laverty
Donal o Hare

4/6 forwards from the one club would be some sort of record I suspect. I can't see it happening. Nor would I want it too.



I'd say the two Johnstons and Laverty will start and it will be between Devlin and Poland for another position.

I'd be more concerned with Aidan Carr at FB, Mooney at WHB and maginn starting......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 09, 2015, 05:57:19 PM
Who can we call into the forward line that has not been mentioned?Madine might be an option but I felt he was badly exposed in last years championship.He played at 12 in the reply in Newry and was like a headless chicken.Donals form will hopefully come back soon.Is McConville an option to play at full forward?He has the height that we need in there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 09, 2015, 06:05:24 PM
My thinking with carr at FB was that he is strong to compete with a big man, can win his own ball and is one of the few players we have that can actually come out and kick a pass to relieve the pressure. I also think sometimes he is lazy and won't chase back if he was FB he wouldn't have this to do as he would be the last man. I thought mooney in defence was that he had the speed and power to get up and down the pitch as the role of wing half forward and wing half back isn't really that different   Maginn does a serious work when he is there I think. Will be interesting to see what happens between now and then a lot could change
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 09, 2015, 06:34:00 PM
Don't think Aidan Carr would have the pace for full back.Imagine him coming up against Bradley or Cavanagh in the summer?Where are all our score coming from? The forward line would not be full of scores.All great players and lovely to watch and move the ball well but take away free kicks who does our scoring?Against Kildare last year very few of these forwards made an impact from play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 09, 2015, 06:52:22 PM
The only one that made an impact isn't there this year. We haven't got many more have we
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffleKing on January 09, 2015, 10:58:40 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 09, 2015, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: speculative on January 09, 2015, 04:02:49 PM
Most of these teams feature D O'Hare, am I the only one that thinks he needs to prove his worth this year after 2 mediocre years in a Down jersey?

Donal has the potential to be our best inside forward but on current form I would have him behind Laverty, jerome and mcgarry for a corner forward spot.

Whats with the canonisation of mcgarry of intermediate club football performances?
Has he ever done anything above that level to merit county consideration?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 10, 2015, 12:46:53 AM
Some shite in this thread the last few days. Give the new manager at least till the end of the National League before any kind of judgement is passed. Assess each player on how he performs and not on reputation.  Don't expect too much this year and see what happens. Who knows it could be 91 all over again!! Personally I'm gonna miss Benny C this season, a shining light in the darkness of the last 12 or 13 years. No one will entertain us like he did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 10, 2015, 09:23:07 AM
Ross has proved himself to be the best player in ulster at his level and if things go well for us in a few weeks I think he will have proved to everyone that he is the best player in Ireland at his level.I know it is not senior level but if you are the best intermediate player in Ireland it should count for a starting place when he is back playing for Down.We have no ball winning forwards at present unless we stick with Madine at full forward but can't get round how badly exposed he was last year against Tyrone and Kildare.For what it's worth I think Down will have a great league this year and qualify as the second best team in it.Kildare are the only team that I would say are better than us.When we get everyone back after the McKenna cup we will have a very strong squad.Anyword when Gordan and Clarke will return to the squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 10, 2015, 06:43:09 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 10, 2015, 09:23:07 AM
Ross has proved himself to be the best player in ulster at his level and if things go well for us in a few weeks I think he will have proved to everyone that he is the best player in Ireland at his level.I know it is not senior level but if you are the best intermediate player in Ireland it should count for a starting place when he is back playing for Down.We have no ball winning forwards at present unless we stick with Madine at full forward but can't get round how badly exposed he was last year against Tyrone and Kildare.For what it's worth I think Down will have a great league this year and qualify as the second best team in it.Kildare are the only team that I would say are better than us.When we get everyone back after the McKenna cup we will have a very strong squad.Anyword when Gordan and Clarke will return to the squad?

That's some statement to be making about a player who has had one decent season behind him and a number of mediocre ones.  Is this the same player who was too tired to play for his club in the playoffs last year?  All of a sudden he is the saviour of Down.  I'll believe it when I see it.  I think you should take off your Warrenpoint coloured glasses.  How did your U.21 team go today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on January 10, 2015, 06:55:09 PM
Point u21's beaten by St Eunans Donegal in extra time. St Eunans scored goal in last minute of normal time to level. Point didn't score at all in extra time. 1.8 to 0.9 final score
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 10, 2015, 07:09:07 PM
Yes we were beaten today.What club are you from exactly?
We had an off season last year from top to bottom and you single out 1 player.I think we have proved that was a one off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 10, 2015, 07:15:11 PM
You're the boy that started talking about him, not me.  You have put him up on the pedestal, I only mentioned his attitude from last year when he couldn't be bothered playing for his club when they needed him most.

As for last season being a one off, it remains to be seen whether this year is a one off as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 10, 2015, 07:40:18 PM
I originally just mentioned that he was good enough to start for Down.What playoffs are you talking about?You do a lot of talking on this without ever making a genuine point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 10, 2015, 08:09:08 PM
 ::)

2015 will be an interesting one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 11, 2015, 12:21:34 PM
Mooney lined out at midfield for Jordanstown when the beat Cavan last night, just as discussed a few days ago. UUJ clearly just integrating him back into the game by trying him in different positions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 11, 2015, 12:23:07 PM
He has to start in midfield against Kildare.Any thoughts on today's game?Team announced yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 11, 2015, 01:24:42 PM
Last week, the team was named via Twitter and Facebook the day before the game. There is no sign of a  line-up yet for today's match, which is disappointing.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 11, 2015, 01:30:44 PM
I hope I'm wrong but I would be surprised if we get out of Clones today with anything. If Cavan can't beat a UUJ team finding their feet then they are not great, as I suspected last week. Fair play to the lads who have committed to the red and black cause but even if Mc Corry trains them as often as he wants we will still need the quality and physical presence of the lads not in the panel yet.
Reading about John Galvin's decision to retire, and the credit he is rightly getting for making such a commitment to a team which is really part of the second tier counties who realistically won't win an All Ireland made me think- are we in that group ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 11, 2015, 01:47:00 PM
I think Down will win this one today.Monaghan have only 4 regular starters playing so it's a great chance for us.Although our team has not been released yet has it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 11, 2015, 01:58:26 PM
No word on the team yet and it's 2 minutes to throw in. Monaghan have both wylie brothers starting and that's really their only big names.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 11, 2015, 02:07:03 PM
Northern Sound radio has named the Down team as Gordon; O'Hagan, Howard, Collins: Turley, McArdle, Magee: Fitzpatrick, Madine; Devlin, Downey, McKernan: Laverty, Crilly, O'Hare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 11, 2015, 02:12:05 PM
Cheers mournerover. Donal O'hare scored a goal in the first minute and packie Downey followed it up with a point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 11, 2015, 02:12:53 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 11, 2015, 02:15:25 PM
Mon 3 pts

down 1-1

all down at the start, monaghan recovered well

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 11, 2015, 02:16:31 PM
all square now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 11, 2015, 02:23:38 PM
Sounds extremely blustery in clones
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 11, 2015, 02:27:11 PM
Does it say who has the breeze first half shamrocks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 11, 2015, 02:28:13 PM
it said down had it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 11, 2015, 02:31:58 PM
Mon 7
Down 1-4

commentator says some great scores and enjoyable hard hitting game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 11, 2015, 02:36:45 PM
Monaghan miss goal - ball came back off the post

Arthur great shot and brilliant save from mon keeper

all level , down 8 wides in the half

KMcK popped up to give down 1 point lead at HT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 11, 2015, 02:47:50 PM
Great first half
Keep it going lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 11, 2015, 03:04:44 PM
down 2 up

Arthur has had second goal bound shot saved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 11, 2015, 03:36:53 PM
Sounded like a fantastic game by all accounts. Groups wide open now. Any reports on who played well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 11, 2015, 03:37:46 PM
An excellent and largely unexpected four point win for Down at Clones sets up a decent finish in our group. We could still finish anywhere between first and last, but success against UUJ on Wednesday would take us very close to a semi final place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 11, 2015, 03:41:32 PM
good win and it leaves the group wide open now. kevin mckernan stretchered off near the end, hopefully its not serious.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 11, 2015, 03:42:10 PM
Had a fair idea we would win this game after seeing the Monaghan team.When we get the Johnstones Mooney Poland Carr and our lads back after the all Ireland series we will be very hard to beat.I think we can top division 2 at this rate.Roll on Wednesday night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on January 11, 2015, 09:16:34 PM
how did Paki Downey play today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 11, 2015, 10:17:29 PM
He went off injured, think it was around 25 min mark. Played CHF but was playing just ok.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 11, 2015, 10:30:51 PM
Radio suggested a lot of ball made its way to Cathal Crilly but he hit a brave few wides. Is this true ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on January 12, 2015, 03:36:44 PM
Think there could be an all Ireland in this team!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 12, 2015, 04:59:57 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 11, 2015, 10:30:51 PM
Radio suggested a lot of ball made its way to Cathal Crilly but he hit a brave few wides. Is this true ?

He did kick a few wides,  and few times when other players were better placed he should have passed, but he's only knew into the county set up and probably try to make a name for himself too.

The keeper and defence coped well I thought, they limited  Monaghan to a few chances and then broke forward well. Madine and Fitzpatrick battle away in the middle, didn't catch much but neither did opposition. Mc Kernan pick of the forwards, covered back and kicked 2 good points. Laverty played too far out from goal I thought, O'Hare looked bit more like his old self, out in front every time and took his goal well but could have scored more. Devlin kicked great score towards the end but I thought his free taking was bit ropey tbh. Garvey was pick of the subs kicked good point and great catch when just brought on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 12, 2015, 10:21:01 PM
Looking forward to Wednesday night now after a great performance
although Monaghan were under strength.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on January 14, 2015, 01:06:45 PM
Any word on how the county minor footballers are getting along?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 14, 2015, 01:55:18 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 14, 2015, 11:58:05 AM
   Bit of gossip going around local schools about the ''goings-on" in/around Kilcoo.

Please expand!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on January 14, 2015, 04:07:12 PM
So why mention it in the 1st place?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 14, 2015, 04:35:37 PM
 Gossip being Kilcoo are going to win the Championship again.
I see you mention school- maybe time for you to get back there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 14, 2015, 05:16:45 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on January 14, 2015, 04:35:37 PM
Gossip being Kilcoo are going to win the Championship again.
I see you mention school- maybe time for you to get back there.

And here's me thinking rosskarr would be a hilltown man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 14, 2015, 07:05:45 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 14, 2015, 02:12:00 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on January 14, 2015, 01:55:18 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 14, 2015, 11:58:05 AM
   Bit of gossip going around local schools about the ''goings-on" in/around Kilcoo.

Please expand!!
Definitely not.  Gossip is gossip.

Pointless post then, cheers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on January 14, 2015, 07:38:29 PM
Checked a Down website for Down team for game tonight but no sign. Any word on who the team is ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 14, 2015, 08:42:29 PM
HT Down 1-5 UUJ 0-3 - any word of the starting team ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 14, 2015, 08:55:00 PM
Its another media black out in Down. Half thinking of taking on the PRO job myself next year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 14, 2015, 09:35:32 PM
FT Down 1-13 UUJ 1-7. A decent result during what were apparently dreadful conditions. However, the winners of Cavan and Monaghan on Sunday will know exactly what they need to score to top the group.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 14, 2015, 09:42:14 PM
Darren O'Hagan picked up MOTM and Jerome Johnston got MOTM in the St Mary's and Armagh game (which they lost)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2015, 10:00:32 PM
Poor game!Conditions were very bad for the last 5 minutes but other than that they were ok
Darren O Hagen,Magee,OHare all doing well in the game.Other than that there was very little else to be shouting about on the Down team.Thought Mooney was very good for Jordanstown when he went on his charging runs.Maybe I am being harsh on the lads but I thought it was a very very poor showing.What way does that leave us in the group?What way do we need Monaghan and Cavan to finish up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 14, 2015, 10:24:01 PM
It looks as though we need a narrow Monaghan win to get us through as group winners. We cannot qualify as the best runner-up because Armagh are likely to finish second in their section with a better scoring average than we have. It is hard to be specific, but any sort of win for Cavan should do them.  If Monaghan have a few points to spare, it may also be enough for them. We are not out of it, but we can probably turn our attention to the league instead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lazer on January 15, 2015, 09:42:29 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 14, 2015, 10:24:01 PM
It looks as though we need a narrow Monaghan win to get us through as group winners. We cannot qualify as the best runner-up because Armagh are likely to finish second in their section with a better scoring average than we have. It is hard to be specific, but any sort of win for Cavan should do them.  If Monaghan have a few points to spare, it may also be enough for them. We are not out of it, but we can probably turn our attention to the league instead.

Does head to head come into it if 2 teams finish level or is it simply on scoring average?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on January 15, 2015, 10:00:13 AM
Back to club fooball for a second.

What is the deal with promotion, relegation, etc this year with the leagues seemingly being restructured again for next year?

Also any idea when fixtures are out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 15, 2015, 10:02:56 AM
Was very impressed with Magee last night. V comfortable on the ball and strong going forward. Prob right that O'Hagan got MOM. Our defence was v solid I thought apart from the howler by Kane. I was disappointed in the poly as I expected more from their stars esp. O'Connor and Mooney.....though Mattie Donnelly was excellent. Nice position to be in when you can spring a sub like McBrearty from the bench. Would they be among the favourites for the Sigerson?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 15, 2015, 11:39:59 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 15, 2015, 10:02:56 AM
Was very impressed with Magee last night. V comfortable on the ball and strong going forward. Prob right that O'Hagan got MOM. Our defence was v solid I thought apart from the howler by Kane. I was disappointed in the poly as I expected more from their stars esp. O'Connor and Mooney.....though Mattie Donnelly was excellent. Nice position to be in when you can spring a sub like McBrearty from the bench. Would they be among the favourites for the Sigerson?
I think uuj meet dcu in their first game. They would be the 2 favs  in many people's eyes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 15, 2015, 11:45:16 AM
Had time to think about the game.Mooney was quite poor but in saying that no midfielder really stood out for either team.It was not a night for high fielding but can't recall one clean catch being made around the midfield area?Does last nights performance affect Mooneys selection for the Kildare game do you think 5sams?It my take him a while to get back into the run of things.He made 2 great runs either half but at Intercounty level that's not good enough.Thought DOH was the pick of our forwards getting a few points from play and winning every ball that came into him.Half forward line all nice on the ball but no end product at all.We need a Paul Flynn like half forward who gets up and down the pitch plus Knicks over 2-3 from play most games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 15, 2015, 12:10:29 PM
You're right that was O'Hares best game in a while. Would Mooney be able the play the Flynn type role you talk about. He certainly has the engine and speed. It'll be interesting to see how McCorry uses him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 15, 2015, 12:23:21 PM
No I don't think he could.That role is not as easy as it looks.Flynn knows where to be when the other team is building an attack.He also knows when to appear up in the forward line to chip in with scores.The midfield and half forward line are struggling badly against average teams.Need Poland back in as soon as he come back as we have got very little from 8-12 from the few games that we have played.The front 8 I would like to see start against Kildare
Mooney
McKernan
Johnstone
Poland
Johnstone
Laverty
McConville
O Hare
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 15, 2015, 12:30:05 PM
Money's kick passing last night was atrocious he did take a super score but apart from that he contributed very little. A few times we were caught with both our midfielders puahing forward then when it broke down they couldn't get back in time to help out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 15, 2015, 12:37:21 PM
We have major problems in midfield here.The 2 lads playing last night would get us destroyed against a big team.I would go with Kevin and Mooney against Kildare.Give kMK the defensive role and let Mooney attack everytime he gets the ball.Agree in that his kick passing was poor but it will come.Arthur hadn't a great game last night but I think he has done enough to start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 15, 2015, 04:17:47 PM
To me Mooney was back to his 'impact' type play last night. He flashes in and out of games, sometimes to devastating effect, last night not so much. On a better night, with dry ball, his speed will be almost impossible to stop.  I would however like to see him much more involved in a game. Men like McKernan and Laverty are constantly involved in the play, if we could get Mooney constantly involved then the odds increase that there be an end product. 
Obviously he wasnt playing for Down last night but when he does thats what I think he needs to improve on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 15, 2015, 05:04:21 PM
What did yiz think of Arthur last night. A lot of boys around me were giving out about him but I thought he worked very hard and deserved a goal at the end. Great save by the Poly's keeper.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 15, 2015, 05:28:44 PM
Thought he worked hard,he did give away a few easy fist passes thought should have been easy passes but overall I think he has done enough at this stage.A very honest player with his work rate top class.His fitness needs to improve throughout the league if he is to make an impact come championship time.Has Madine done enough to start against Kildare??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 15, 2015, 05:30:43 PM
He probably has. Gods knows where he'll be playing though!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 15, 2015, 05:36:39 PM
I'm not really sure where some of the ideas above about Mooney have come from. Unless he's had a brain and personality transplant since he went to Oz, he's never going to play as a midfielder of a box-to-box forward.

He doesn't touch the ball often. Never did, not even at club underage football. In the MacRory cup final when he scored 2 goals I genuinely doubt if he touched the ball 10 times. But that's his game: lay hands on it 10 times, bag 2-3 from it.

We should be thinking Benny Coulter's replacement here lads. Anything else is wistful. If he delivers half of what Benny did in that role, he'll be doing alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 15, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
john clarke transferring to st johns from an riocht.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 15, 2015, 05:54:12 PM
Did he play in the full forward line at underage level?  I always considered him as a roaming wing half forward but full forward could be an option.  I don't think McCurry will start him at the start of the national league and will gradually introduce him.

As for the firt league team it's anyone's guess

Kane
O Hagen
Howard
Collins
Turley
Mcardle
Garvey
Fitzpatrick
Turley
R Johnston
Devlin
Mckernan
Laverty
Mcconville
O Hare

With jerome, mooney and Poland to introduce.  O hares form has improved which is why I think he wil get in ahead of Johnston. It looks like he might operate McKernan at 12 playing a sweeper role. 

We could really do with getting big Dan back but he won't be there at the start of the league anyway so we must o with what we have.

When the point lads come back in McCartan, Mallon and mcgary won't be far away either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 15, 2015, 07:03:02 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2015, 05:36:39 PM
I'm not really sure where some of the ideas above about Mooney have come from. Unless he's had a brain and personality transplant since he went to Oz, he's never going to play as a midfielder of a box-to-box forward.

He doesn't touch the ball often. Never did, not even at club underage football. In the MacRory cup final when he scored 2 goals I genuinely doubt if he touched the ball 10 times. But that's his game: lay hands on it 10 times, bag 2-3 from it.

We should be thinking Benny Coulter's replacement here lads. Anything else is wistful. If he delivers half of what Benny did in that role, he'll be doing alright.

Thats a bit rough Wobbler.  What age was he when he went to Oz, 18 or 19 but he has obviously done something to annoy you? 

The difficulty is find his best position and it seems to be the same problem with Madine.  His is being played all over the place, HB, MF, HF & FF lines but nothing long enough to make an impact.  Mc Corry (and not Mc Curry Whitegoodman, I think you know this) is facing problems with the likes of Mc Kernan,Mooney and Madine, not knowing where to get the best out of them.  I am also not convinced about Paul Devlin.  A decent club player who has never really done it at county level.  Mc Corry might be able to get the best out of him as he knows him well and will give him plenty of chances but I don't think he will ever cut it at with Down.  Good to see O'Hare getting a bit of form back after a serious burst onto the scene a year or two ago but certainly quiet last year.  It would have been nice to get another game in the Mc Kenna Cup but can't see it happening now, our first NFL team selection v Kildare will be interesting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 15, 2015, 07:26:24 PM
Yep my bad on McCorry, the old iPad picks up what it wants to pick up sometimes, sorry Jim.

We have a lot of options in some positions but very little in others.  For example the following could play the attacking midfielder role or wing forward role

McKernan
Mooney
R Johnston
Mallon

The following will be fighting for a corner forward spot

Laverty
O hare
J Johnston
McGarry


But then we have very few options for defensive midfielder, CHB and the full back line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 15, 2015, 07:44:41 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 15, 2015, 07:26:24 PM
Yep my bad on McCorry, the old iPad picks up what it wants to pick up sometimes, sorry Jim.

We have a lot of options in some positions but very little in others.  For example the following could play the attacking midfielder role or wing forward role

McKernan
Mooney
R Johnston
Mallon

The following will be fighting for a corner forward spot

Laverty
O hare
J Johnston
McGarry


But then we have very few options for defensive midfielder, CHB and the full back line.

We haven't had a recognised CHB or FB for years.  That would be a decent starting point for the Mc Corry era.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on January 15, 2015, 08:47:35 PM
2 Johnstons, Poland and Mooney should all come into the starting 15 for the Kildare game. Lots of 'squad players' got their chance but few really made a big enough impact to be seriously considered. Midfield is a concern as no stand out candidates there! Not much to choose between the keepers but he needs to give someone a sustained run in the team and what they really need is a certain marty Clarke at no 6 to pull the strings
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on January 15, 2015, 09:10:51 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 15, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
john clarke transferring to st johns from an riocht.

Hi Sheedy, is this to the co down St. John's ? Do you know why he is transferring?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 15, 2015, 09:18:54 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on January 15, 2015, 09:10:51 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 15, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
john clarke transferring to st johns from an riocht.

Hi Sheedy, is this to the co down St. John's ? Do you know why he is transferring?
yeah co down st johns. he lives near there after getting married, though he still played for kingdom last year while living in castlewellan area. plays soccer for castlewellan. he'll be a big miss for the kingdom.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on January 15, 2015, 10:03:29 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 15, 2015, 09:18:54 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on January 15, 2015, 09:10:51 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 15, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
john clarke transferring to st johns from an riocht.

Hi Sheedy, is this to the co down St. John's ? Do you know why he is transferring?
yeah co down st johns. he lives near there after getting married, though he still played for kingdom last year while living in castlewellan area. plays soccer for castlewellan. he'll be a big miss for the kingdom.

Will be a big plus for St. John's, they might have a chance in getting promotion this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 15, 2015, 10:35:50 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on January 15, 2015, 07:03:02 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2015, 05:36:39 PM
I'm not really sure where some of the ideas above about Mooney have come from. Unless he's had a brain and personality transplant since he went to Oz, he's never going to play as a midfielder of a box-to-box forward.

He doesn't touch the ball often. Never did, not even at club underage football. In the MacRory cup final when he scored 2 goals I genuinely doubt if he touched the ball 10 times. But that's his game: lay hands on it 10 times, bag 2-3 from it.

We should be thinking Benny Coulter's replacement here lads. Anything else is wistful. If he delivers half of what Benny did in that role, he'll be doing alright.

Thats a bit rough Wobbler.  What age was he when he went to Oz, 18 or 19 but he has obviously done something to annoy you? 

The difficulty is find his best position and it seems to be the same problem with Madine.  His is being played all over the place, HB, MF, HF & FF lines but nothing long enough to make an impact.  Mc Corry (and not Mc Curry Whitegoodman, I think you know this) is facing problems with the likes of Mc Kernan,Mooney and Madine, not knowing where to get the best out of them.  I am also not convinced about Paul Devlin.  A decent club player who has never really done it at county level.  Mc Corry might be able to get the best out of him as he knows him well and will give him plenty of chances but I don't think he will ever cut it at with Down.  Good to see O'Hare getting a bit of form back after a serious burst onto the scene a year or two ago but certainly quiet last year.  It would have been nice to get another game in the Mc Kenna Cup but can't see it happening now, our first NFL team selection v Kildare will be interesting.

Haha just read this back and I can see what you mean.

It wasn't meant to be a criticism of the lad at all. Probably would have read better as something along the lines of "unless he's had a bizarre epiphany that has transformed his playing style into something completely the opposite to his natural game".

He's a wonderful player. Point I'm making is that anyone who thinks playing him at midfield will get him more involved in games is barking up the wrong tree. He's not that sort of player.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 15, 2015, 11:20:40 PM
C Mooney is not a full forward that I am sure of.Cant figure out your argument that he is not a midfielder?Why do you think that?We had a very clever defensive midfielder in BC as he showed for Mayobridge this year.The mind boggles if people don't think that man could have played that roll.I don't the McCorry cab play KMK PT PD NM and Arthur all on the one starting line up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 15, 2015, 11:33:21 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on January 15, 2015, 10:03:29 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 15, 2015, 09:18:54 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on January 15, 2015, 09:10:51 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 15, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
john clarke transferring to st johns from an riocht.

Hi Sheedy, is this to the co down St. John's ? Do you know why he is transferring?
yeah co down st johns. he lives near there after getting married, though he still played for kingdom last year while living in castlewellan area. plays soccer for castlewellan. he'll be a big miss for the kingdom.
Some addition for St Johns. John is a magnificent footballer still.





Will be a big plus for St. John's, they might have a chance in getting promotion this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on January 16, 2015, 12:43:59 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 15, 2015, 09:18:54 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on January 15, 2015, 09:10:51 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 15, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
john clarke transferring to st johns from an riocht.

Hi Sheedy, is this to the co down St. John's ? Do you know why he is transferring?
yeah co down st johns. he lives near there after getting married, though he still played for kingdom last year while living in castlewellan area. plays soccer for castlewellan. he'll be a big miss for the kingdom.
Might not be the last high profile transfer before start of the season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 16, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: The Raven on January 16, 2015, 12:43:59 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 15, 2015, 09:18:54 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on January 15, 2015, 09:10:51 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 15, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
john clarke transferring to st johns from an riocht.

Hi Sheedy, is this to the co down St. John's ? Do you know why he is transferring?
yeah co down st johns. he lives near there after getting married, though he still played for kingdom last year while living in castlewellan area. plays soccer for castlewellan. he'll be a big miss for the kingdom.
Might not be the last high profile transfer before start of the season

I love this top secret stuff - Go on, enlighten us  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 16, 2015, 11:24:56 AM
a man with bryansford connections told me Martin Clark could be moving to Bryansford or Castlewellan. Prehaps he got the brothers mixed up and the club. Maybe not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on January 16, 2015, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on January 16, 2015, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: The Raven on January 16, 2015, 12:43:59 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 15, 2015, 09:18:54 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on January 15, 2015, 09:10:51 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 15, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
john clarke transferring to st johns from an riocht.

Hi Sheedy, is this to the co down St. John's ? Do you know why he is transferring?
yeah co down st johns. he lives near there after getting married, though he still played for kingdom last year while living in castlewellan area. plays soccer for castlewellan. he'll be a big miss for the kingdom.
Might not be the last high profile transfer before start of the season

I love this top secret stuff - Go on, enlighten us  :)
It only took 22 minutes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on January 16, 2015, 01:42:01 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 15, 2015, 05:54:12 PM
Did he play in the full forward line at underage level?  I always considered him as a roaming wing half forward but full forward could be an option.  I don't think McCurry will start him at the start of the national league and will gradually introduce him.

As for the firt league team it's anyone's guess

Kane
O Hagen
Howard
Collins
Turley
Mcardle
Garvey
Fitzpatrick
Turley
R Johnston
Devlin
Mckernan
Laverty
Mcconville
O Hare

With jerome, mooney and Poland to introduce.  O hares form has improved which is why I think he wil get in ahead of Johnston. It looks like he might operate McKernan at 12 playing a sweeper role. 

We could really do with getting big Dan back but he won't be there at the start of the league anyway so we must o with what we have.

When the point lads come back in McCartan, Mallon and mcgary won't be far away either.
This would be great - Maginn won't be needed and can play for Bryansford!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 16, 2015, 04:48:02 PM
Frank will be happy to have Maginn full time or now that he is a Down manager he will want him playing for Down?Id be concerned more about Frank joining the Down set up once the 21s finish spirit?Could he possibly be a selector with Down and manage the Ford also?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 18, 2015, 02:46:07 PM
Cavan are seven points up on Monaghan at half time and by all accounts should be further ahead. Unless Monaghan stage an unlikely late revival, our McKenna Cup campaign is over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 18, 2015, 03:43:24 PM
Cavan duly won, but only by three points and Monaghan apparently missed a couple of late goal chances. While we could probably have done with an extra game, it was still a reasonable McKenna campaign for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 18, 2015, 04:51:46 PM
Considering the amount of rookies and players with limited county experience that got game time id say that McCorry will have been very happy with 2 wins out of 3. It was a decent start to the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 19, 2015, 04:48:51 PM
 Agree- good enough start to what will be a challenging season.
Getting Marty Clarke back at some stage would also help.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on January 19, 2015, 10:33:42 PM
WITH THIS YEARS GAA CLUB LEAGUES GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER
WHO IS TAKING THE ROLE OF MANAGEMENT FOR EACH CLUB THIS YEAR??

Div: 1
Bryansford=
Mayobridge=
Castlewellan=
Kilcoo=
Burren=
RGU Downpatrick=
Clonduff=
Glenn=
Rostrevor=
Longstone=
Annaclone=
Ballyholland=
Saval=
Liatroim=
Cumann Pheadair Naofa=
Clann na Banna=

Div: 2
Tullylish=
Loughinisland=
An Ríocht=
Ballymartin=
Bredagh=
St John's=
Darragh Cross=
St John Bosco=
Newry Shamrocks=
Saul=
Atticall=
Drumgath=
Carryduff=
St Colman's Drumaness=
Dromara=
Kilclief=

Div: 3
Mitchels=
Dundrum=
Bright=
St Paul's=
Ardglass=
Aughlisnafin=
Killyleagh=
St Michael's GAC, Magheralin=
Ballykinlar=
Teconnaught=
Glasdrumman=
Aghaderg=
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 19, 2015, 11:00:16 PM
Quote from: Predictor on January 19, 2015, 10:33:42 PM
WITH THIS YEARS GAA CLUB LEAGUES GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER
WHO IS TAKING THE ROLE OF MANAGEMENT FOR EACH CLUB THIS YEAR??

Div: 1
Bryansford=
Mayobridge=
Castlewellan=
Kilcoo=
Burren=
RGU Downpatrick=
Clonduff=
Glenn=
Rostrevor= Stefan White
Longstone=
Annaclone=
Ballyholland=
Saval=
Liatroim=
Cumann Pheadair Naofa=
Clann na Banna=

Div: 2
Tullylish=
Loughinisland=
An Ríocht=
Ballymartin=
Bredagh=
St John's=
Darragh Cross=
St John Bosco=
Newry Shamrocks=
Saul=
Atticall=
Drumgath=
Carryduff=
St Colman's Drumaness=
Dromara=
Kilclief=

Div: 3
Mitchels=
Dundrum=
Bright=
St Paul's=
Ardglass=
Aughlisnafin=
Killyleagh=
St Michael's GAC, Magheralin=
Ballykinlar=
Teconnaught=
Glasdrumman=
Aghaderg=
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 20, 2015, 08:33:41 AM
WITH THIS YEARS GAA CLUB LEAGUES GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER
WHO IS TAKING THE ROLE OF MANAGEMENT FOR EACH CLUB THIS YEAR??

Div: 1
Bryansford=Frank Dawaon
Mayobridge=Eoghan Woods and Michael Walsh
Castlewellan=Shorty Treanor
Kilcoo=McIvor and Morgan
Burren=Sean Ward
RGU Downpatrick=DJ Kane
Clonduff= Gearoid Adams
Glenn=Morgan and Kennedy
Rostrevor= Stefan White
Longstone=
Annaclone=Justy Lynch
Ballyholland=Steven Poacher
Saval=Darren Quinn
Liatroim=Shane King
Cumann Pheadair Naofa=Bernie Ruane
Clann na Banna=Tony Wilson
Div: 2
Tullylish=Eamon Burns
Loughinisland=Jerome Johnston
An Ríocht=Ross Carr
Ballymartin=Hugh Treanor
Bredagh=Jody Gormley
St John's=Paul Mc Shane
Darragh Cross=
St John Bosco=
Newry Shamrocks=Paul Lamb
Saul= Cathal Murray
Atticall=John Fegan
Drumgath=Ronan Sexton
Carryduff=
St Colman's Drumaness=
Dromara=Aidan Farrell
Kilclief=

Div: 3
Mitchels=
Dundrum=
Bright=
St Paul's=
Ardglass=
Aughlisnafin=Conor Deegans,
Killyleagh=
St Michael's GAC, Magheralin=
Ballykinlar= Will they exist?
Teconnaught=
Glasdrumman=
Aghaderg=
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 20, 2015, 10:48:29 AM
John Fegan no longer with Atticall.

Gary Farrell not Aidan Farrell Dromara.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on January 20, 2015, 10:50:19 AM
Anyone have the 2015 weekly schedule for games. Hear there are a few changes from last year. Need someone to confirm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 20, 2015, 01:30:20 PM
PRFLs on Wednesday evenings once the SFL starts up AFAIK
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 20, 2015, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 20, 2015, 10:48:29 AM
John Fegan no longer with Atticall.

Gary Farrell not Aidan Farrell Dromara.
Interesting appointment for your Club supersub--where was he before?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 20, 2015, 02:51:26 PM
Nowhere last year, 2 spells in Monagahan with Castleblaney and Louth Club management in between/before.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 20, 2015, 03:39:33 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 20, 2015, 02:51:26 PM
Nowhere last year, 2 spells in Monagahan with Castleblaney and Louth Club management in between/before.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 23, 2015, 12:47:02 PM
Can't believe some quotes in today's irish news from Ross
Surely the journalist should be contacting the manager and not inexperienced players
Doesn't read well from our point of view and makes Jim look like a fool with 1 particular statement he has supposedly come out with
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on January 23, 2015, 12:58:01 PM
WITH THIS YEARS GAA CLUB LEAGUES GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER
WHO IS TAKING THE ROLE OF MANAGEMENT FOR EACH CLUB THIS YEAR??

Div: 1
Bryansford=Frank Dawaon
Mayobridge=Eoghan Woods and Michael Walsh
Castlewellan=Shorty Treanor
Kilcoo=McIvor and Morgan
Burren=Sean Ward
RGU Downpatrick=DJ Kane
Clonduff= Gearoid Adams
Glenn=Morgan and Kennedy
Rostrevor= Stefan White
Longstone=
Annaclone=Justy Lynch
Ballyholland=Steven Poacher
Saval=Darren Quinn
Liatroim=Shane King
Cumann Pheadair Naofa=Bernie Ruane
Clann na Banna=Tony Wilson
Div: 2
Tullylish=Eamon Burns
Loughinisland=Jerome Johnston
An Ríocht=Ross Carr
Ballymartin=Hugh Treanor
Bredagh=Jody Gormley
St John's=Paul Mc Shane
Darragh Cross=
St John Bosco=
Newry Shamrocks=Paul Lamb
Saul= Cathal Murray
Atticall=John Fegan
Drumgath=Ronan Sexton
Carryduff=
St Colman's Drumaness=
Dromara=Gary Farrell
Kilclief=

Div: 3
Mitchels=
Dundrum=Paddy Hardy
Bright=
St Paul's=
Ardglass=
Aughlisnafin=Conor Deegan
Killyleagh=
St Michael's GAC, Magheralin=
Ballykinlar=
Teconnaught=Kyran Smyth
Glasdrumman= Emmett Devlin
Aghaderg=
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 23, 2015, 01:02:27 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30935897

Midfielder Alan Davidson quits Ballymena United for GAA

Bredagh I believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on January 24, 2015, 10:40:48 PM
Any thoughts on what clubs will get relegated from division 1 this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on January 25, 2015, 09:11:36 AM
Quote from: gaamann on January 24, 2015, 10:40:48 PM
Any thoughts on what clubs will get relegated from division 1 this season.


Banbridge annaclone and Leitrim will go down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on January 25, 2015, 09:45:05 AM
Is it not 6 teams who get relegated this year ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on January 25, 2015, 11:42:04 AM
Good Luck to Warrenpoint Today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on January 25, 2015, 03:18:09 PM
Ft Time Score
Warrenpoint 0-10
Ardfert 1-8
Hard Luck Warrenpoint
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 25, 2015, 03:26:25 PM
Thats a pity, sorry for the point to hear that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 25, 2015, 03:46:36 PM
It's always tough to lose an All Ireland semi by a point, and it may be that the injuries Warrenpoint suffered in the run-up to the game were decisive. Their county players will deserve a break, although Jim McCorry may want to have at least a couple of them on the bench next weekend. Kildare were always going to be difficult opponents, and they have just taken Dublin to extra time in the final of the O'Byrne Cup.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 25, 2015, 08:25:12 PM
Disappointing finish for Warrenpoint today.  I hear they had about three major injuries over the last week or two so that certainly didn't help.  Ardfert had already won a few All Irelands in the last few years so they were probably up against it today.  It will be interesting to read reports how the likes of Mc Garry and the Mc Cartan's did against tighter opposition as they are likely to come into Mc Corry's plans along with Ryan Boyle and Ryan Mallon for Down in the League.  It's hard to see them making the cut for next week though.

Has Down announced an NFL panel yet as I have seen a few other counties do this in the last day or two?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on January 25, 2015, 08:36:21 PM
Bottom 5 going into division 2 and 6th from bottom will play off with 2nd place team from division 2.Liatroim Ballyholland Annaclone Clann na Banna Longstone  Rostrevor and Glenn any 5 from that 7 will be playing division 2 next year. Sixth team should win the play off game.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 25, 2015, 09:36:51 PM
Interesting you didn't name Warrenpoint in that given how they performed last time at that level. Not saying they will get relegated, just interesting to see peoples perceptions. Hard luck to them today, will still go down as a superb season though. Out of interest who were the three major injuries?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 25, 2015, 09:46:05 PM
Just wondering, Supersub, how the individual players who had done so well for Warrenpoint in Down and Ulster performed on the bigger stage today?  As for the injuries, you tell me who didn't play today who would normally?  I heard one was a bad knee injury.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on January 25, 2015, 10:04:33 PM
Supersub cant see Warrenpoint going down they are a much better team than they were 2 years ago. Solid at the back strong around the middle and a few above average forwards plus a very good management team top half of division one for me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 25, 2015, 10:14:10 PM
Division 1 teams to get relegated to 2 :-

16th = Clann Na Banna (without doubt)
15th = Liatroim (without doubt)
14th = Annaclone (pretty certain they will go down)
13th = Ballyholland Harps (50/50)
12th = Rostrevor (will be unlucky if they go down)
11th = Glenn (will probably win play off)

Division 2 teams to get relegated to 3 (not too sure if it's 8 going down) :-

16th = Dromara (without doubt)
15th = Kilclief (without doubt)
14th = Darragh Cross (without doubt)
13th = Drumaness (50/50)
12th = Saul (hard to call)
11th = Drumgath (new manager and players returning from injury so hard to call)
10th = Carryduff (although U21's won b championship they might not do enough to keep afloat)
9th = Bosco (will be unlucky if they are relegated)

What is the deal with relegation and promotion across the 3 leagues? Would also like to know everyone else's opinion on these predictions (just my own opinion based upon current circumstances and last years preformances )
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 25, 2015, 11:03:03 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 25, 2015, 09:36:51 PM
Interesting you didn't name Warrenpoint in that given how they performed last time at that level. Not saying they will get relegated, just interesting to see peoples perceptions. Hard luck to them today, will still go down as a superb season though. Out of interest who were the three major injuries?

Top 2 in this year's Division 3 go into next year's new Division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 26, 2015, 01:49:32 PM
Bryansford
Mayobridge
Kilcoo
Burren
Should all be around the top 4 again next year and are the only teams I would consider as safe from the drop.

Downpatrick
Castlewellan
Longstone
Clonduff
Saval
Rostrevor
Warrenpoint
Ballyholland
Annaclone
Glenn
Basically any of these teams could slip into the bottom 6 quite easily. Least likely to do so would probably be Castlewellan/Downpatrick/Clonduff but no guarantee of that. On any day when these teams are playing each other, who knows what the result would be. Go back over the last 3 years and see the results of these teams and they would all be beating each other. Warrenpoint are obviously included given their strong showing in intermediate last season and would expect them to be in the running to stay up/go down as all these teams will be.

Clann na Banna
Liatrom
Cant see these two teams escaping the bottom 6. That doesnt necessarily mean they will be the bottom 2, although we all expect Clan na Banna to struggle (shades of Glenn last year perhaps!!). Liatrom could finish well up around 11th/12th but can see them escaping bottom 6.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 26, 2015, 02:46:12 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on January 26, 2015, 01:49:32 PM
Bryansford
Mayobridge
Kilcoo
Burren
Should all be around the top 4 again next year and are the only teams I would consider as safe from the drop.

Downpatrick
Castlewellan
Longstone
Clonduff
Saval
Rostrevor
Warrenpoint
Ballyholland
Annaclone
Glenn
Basically any of these teams could slip into the bottom 6 quite easily. Least likely to do so would probably be Castlewellan/Downpatrick/Clonduff but no guarantee of that. On any day when these teams are playing each other, who knows what the result would be. Go back over the last 3 years and see the results of these teams and they would all be beating each other. Warrenpoint are obviously included given their strong showing in intermediate last season and would expect them to be in the running to stay up/go down as all these teams will be.

Clann na Banna
Liatrom
Cant see these two teams escaping the bottom 6. That doesnt necessarily mean they will be the bottom 2, although we all expect Clan na Banna to struggle (shades of Glenn last year perhaps!!). Liatrom could finish well up around 11th/12th but can see them escaping bottom 6.
What way will the Leagues be in 2016,12,12 10 and 10?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 27, 2015, 06:41:36 PM
Any word on the Down team for Sunday? I'd like to see this team;

1.K Gordon
2. D O'Hagan
3. L Howard
4. D Turley
5. B Mc Ardle
6. C Garvey
7. R Johnstone
8. P Fitzpatrick
9. K Mc Kernan   
10. C Mooney
11. P Devlin
12. C Maginn
13. C Laverty
14. D O'Hare
15. J Johnson



 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on January 27, 2015, 07:14:18 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 27, 2015, 06:41:36 PM
Any word on the Down team for Sunday? I'd like to see this team;

1.K Gordon
2. D O'Hagan
3. L Howard
4. D Turley
5. B Mc Ardle
6. C Garvey
7. R Johnstone
8. P Fitzpatrick
9. K Mc Kernan   
10. C Mooney
11. P Devlin
12. C Maginn
13. C Laverty
14. D O'Hare
15. J Johnson


Hi Ed, all good footballers but that would be a very small team, I remember last year in the championship that I thought Kildare physically dominated us, and that was a bigger team than the one you just named

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 27, 2015, 09:03:28 PM
I just have a sneaking feeling that mooney won't walk onto team straight away and that McCorrywill stick with Madine in the line up and maybe arthur too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 27, 2015, 09:34:53 PM
Mooney has reportedly been allowed to stay with Jordanstown and may not join the Down squad for another couple of weeks. Madine must be likely to start at midfield, with McKernan named in the half forwards but playing as sweeper. Poland is back in training and will be very much in contention to come straight in.

McCorry could surprise us and throw in a couple of the new faces from the McKenna Cup, but, given that our first league game is away to a Kildare side who are favourites for promotion, he will probably go for a fairly experienced line-up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 28, 2015, 10:56:13 AM
I wonder will McCorry throw on any of the Warrenpoint lads. They have not been with the squad but they have played in and trained for competitive football all winter and are fully match fit.

Ryan Mallon would be a good addition at midfield. Personally I just don't see the great things that people seem to see in Pete Fitzpatrick. Even before his injury in the county final the Point midfield had him beat all ends up.

AS for other players The team Ed picked contains most of the best players available. Could only really be significantly improved by players that are not available - Gordon, Clarke, Mooney, King, McComiskey.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on January 28, 2015, 02:02:52 PM
With the 15 players that had to come in to the panel has there now been players dropped from it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on January 28, 2015, 03:31:52 PM
1. M Cunningham
2. D O'Hagan
3. L Howard
4. G Collins
5. C Garvey
6. B McArdle
7. R Johnston
8. P Turley
9. N Madine   
10. M Poland
11. P Devlin
12. K McKernan
13. C Laverty
14. D O'Hare
15. C Maginn


Pick of the subs to come in: J Johnston, C Mooney, D Turley, P Fitzpatrick, A Carr, R Mallon

I imagine that team will be something similar. Plenty of experience with G Collins impressing in the 2 McKenna cup games being the only new face. Plenty of experience with the half back line and midfield along with McKernan sweeping, giving us a decent physical presence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on January 28, 2015, 06:49:01 PM
not a big man in the forwards
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 28, 2015, 08:40:07 PM
It's all guesswork, as this is McCorry's first serious game, but, based on his McKenna Cup selections, Dee Turley will probably start in defence and Fitzpatrick may be ahead of Peter Turley at midfield. If Mooney really is available, he could appear in his Jordanstown position at wing half back. A Man From Down has named the six forwards which most people will be expecting. We should also have a decent bench, which we are likely to need in a tough contest against a side in fine form.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 28, 2015, 09:57:08 PM
Kildare in fine form?Look closely and you may find they are not in that great of form.They could not beat a Dublin B team in Newbridge and just about got past a college team.Down to win by 2
I really like the look of our team.I think Ross will come on at some stage.Really up to match pace and could be the difference in the last 20 minutes.
Cunningham
O Hagen
Howard
Collins
Garvey
McArdle
Johnstone
Mooney
McKernan
Devlin
Poland
Johnstone
Laverty
McConville
O Hare

Although Mooney might not be in the squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on January 28, 2015, 10:43:27 PM
Dublin B team? A team including:
Fitzsimmons,O'Carroll,Devereux,McCaffrey,Bastick,Rock, O'Gara,Cooper,MD MacAuley,McManamon

What a muppet you are Smurfy123!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Diarrhoa Divil on January 29, 2015, 09:26:32 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 28, 2015, 09:57:08 PM
Kildare in fine form?Look closely and you may find they are not in that great of form.They could not beat a Dublin B team in Newbridge and just about got past a college team.Down to win by 2
I really like the look of our team.I think Ross will come on at some stage.Really up to match pace and could be the difference in the last 20 minutes.
Cunningham
O Hagen
Howard
Collins
Garvey
McArdle
Johnstone
Mooney
McKernan
Devlin
Poland
Johnstone
Laverty
McConville
O Hare

Although Mooney might not be in the squad?

A muppet is right.
That guy couldn't even win games for his own club when it mattered most, against a Div3 Hurling club from Kerry never mind against a senior intercounty side.
Shockingly overrated. Scored for fun all year against shit teams and now hailed as a messiah. Laughable.
Kildare bullied a better and bigger Down team in the championship last year and you think that the current panel will fare better and your reason for this is????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 29, 2015, 10:09:41 AM
Hardly a division 3 hurling team.A very good team at that.Jim would be stupid not to give Ross at least 20 minutes here on Sunday.He has been flying all year and should be sharper than most of the players as he hasn't stopped training all year.He needs to be used on Sunday.
Yes Kildare bullied lots of Down players last year but not them all.Expect the lads that played well last year against them to carry us over the line.
Down by 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 29, 2015, 10:23:59 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on January 25, 2015, 09:46:05 PM
Just wondering, Supersub, how the individual players who had done so well for Warrenpoint in Down and Ulster performed on the bigger stage today?  As for the injuries, you tell me who didn't play today who would normally?  I heard one was a bad knee injury.

Think you may have me mixed up, I'm not a Point supporter? I don't know the details, that's why I was asking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 29, 2015, 01:06:18 PM
The Diarrhoa Divil, Ross struggled on Sunday against an excellent marking blanket defence. But even then he was the top scorer with four points out of our total of ten. he did everything he could. The problem was not him but getting the ball to him. Maybe you would tell me what row you were sitting in at Portloasie? As it seems you know plenty about how he played on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 29, 2015, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on January 29, 2015, 01:06:18 PM
The Diarrhoa Divil, Ross struggled on Sunday against an excellent marking blanket defence. But even then he was the top scorer with four points out of our total of ten. he did everything he could. The problem was not him but getting the ball to him. Maybe you would tell me what row you were sitting in at Portloasie? As it seems you know plenty about how he played on Sunday.

And this is a problem teams face regularly at Senior level, hence some reservations about just how effect this team will be next year. No doubt they are a talented bunch but will have to overcome a lot of new challenges playing Senior football every week. One of these will be ensuring their star man gets on the ball enough to score.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on January 29, 2015, 01:34:34 PM
Quote from: lucan on January 28, 2015, 06:49:01 PM
not a big man in the forwards

Would you have big Packie start lucan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 29, 2015, 04:11:17 PM
Quote from: The Diarrhoa Divil on January 29, 2015, 09:26:32 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 28, 2015, 09:57:08 PM
Kildare in fine form?Look closely and you may find they are not in that great of form.They could not beat a Dublin B team in Newbridge and just about got past a college team.Down to win by 2
I really like the look of our team.I think Ross will come on at some stage.Really up to match pace and could be the difference in the last 20 minutes.
Cunningham
O Hagen
Howard
Collins
Garvey
McArdle
Johnstone
Mooney
McKernan
Devlin
Poland
Johnstone
Laverty
McConville
O Hare

Although Mooney might not be in the squad?

A muppet is right.
That guy couldn't even win games for his own club when it mattered most, against a Div3 Hurling club from Kerry never mind against a senior intercounty side.
Shockingly overrated. Scored for fun all year against shit teams and now hailed as a messiah. Laughable.
Kildare bullied a better and bigger Down team in the championship last year and you think that the current panel will fare better and your reason for this is????

I still wonder about that Qualifier game last summer. Down came back brilliantly and then it seemed like they gave up, Kildare got tons of space in the last quarter of the game to win comfortably but down barely put in a tackle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BACK TO WRECK on January 30, 2015, 02:07:19 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 25, 2015, 10:14:10 PM
Division 1 teams to get relegated to 2 :-

16th = Clann Na Banna (without doubt)
15th = Liatroim (without doubt)
14th = Annaclone (pretty certain they will go down)
13th = Ballyholland Harps (50/50)
12th = Rostrevor (will be unlucky if they go down)
11th = Glenn (will probably win play off)

Division 2 teams to get relegated to 3 (not too sure if it's 8 going down) :-

16th = Dromara (without doubt)
15th = Kilclief (without doubt)
14th = Darragh Cross (without doubt)
13th = Drumaness (50/50)
12th = Saul (hard to call)
11th = Drumgath (new manager and players returning from injury so hard to call)
10th = Carryduff (although U21's won b championship they might not do enough to keep afloat)
9th = Bosco (will be unlucky if they are relegated)

What is the deal with relegation and promotion across the 3 leagues? Would also like to know everyone else's opinion on these predictions (just my own opinion based upon current circumstances and last years preformances )

I used to post on here but got bored and stopped. Dip in for the odd nosy, after reading this drivel I just had to open an account again, please explain to me how Rostrevor and Bosco will be unlucky if they are relegated? the league hasnt started man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on January 30, 2015, 05:22:43 PM
It's a poster's opinion on how the league will turn out, I wouldn't call it drivel.can't see how it would get anyone worked up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 30, 2015, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: BACK TO WRECK on January 30, 2015, 02:07:19 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on January 25, 2015, 10:14:10 PM
Division 1 teams to get relegated to 2 :-

16th = Clann Na Banna (without doubt)
15th = Liatroim (without doubt)
14th = Annaclone (pretty certain they will go down)
13th = Ballyholland Harps (50/50)
12th = Rostrevor (will be unlucky if they go down)
11th = Glenn (will probably win play off)

Division 2 teams to get relegated to 3 (not too sure if it's 8 going down) :-

16th = Dromara (without doubt)
15th = Kilclief (without doubt)
14th = Darragh Cross (without doubt)
13th = Drumaness (50/50)
12th = Saul (hard to call)
11th = Drumgath (new manager and players returning from injury so hard to call)
10th = Carryduff (although U21's won b championship they might not do enough to keep afloat)
9th = Bosco (will be unlucky if they are relegated)

What is the deal with relegation and promotion across the 3 leagues? Would also like to know everyone else's opinion on these predictions (just my own opinion based upon current circumstances and last years preformances )

I used to post on here but got bored and stopped. Dip in for the odd nosy, after reading this drivel I just had to open an account again, please explain to me how Rostrevor and Bosco will be unlucky if they are relegated? the league hasnt started man.


What I'm saying is that both teams are strong mid table teams in the respective division, but when push comes to shove this year they could be pipped at the post and relegated only by missing out on a safe spot by maybe a point or 2 or score difference. Neither team should be playing in the league below.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 30, 2015, 08:11:58 PM
Down team named to play Kildare
M Cunningham
D o hagan
C Garvey
L Howard
D Turley
B Mc Ardle
K Mc Kernan
N Madine
P Fitzpatrick
R Johnson
C Laverty
P Devlin
J Johnson
C Maginn
D O Hare
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 30, 2015, 08:14:26 PM
Interesting, I'd be happy with most players starting but there are at least 4 out of position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 30, 2015, 08:19:09 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on January 30, 2015, 08:11:58 PM
Down team named to play Kildare
M Cunningham
D o hagan
C Garvey
L Howard
D Turley
B Mc Ardle
K Mc Kernan
N Madine
P Fitzpatrick
R Johnson
C Laverty
P Devlin
J Johnson
C Maginn
D O Hare

Garvey in at no.3,  makes the defence look a lot stronger,  take it maginn will play out the field, and it will be Donal and Jerome in 2 man full forward line. 4 from 6 forwards from Kilcoo is interesting, I'd imagine Poland, Mc Conville,  and Carr will all be introduced at some point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 30, 2015, 08:26:58 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 30, 2015, 08:19:09 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on January 30, 2015, 08:11:58 PM
Down team named to play Kildare
M Cunningham
D o hagan
C Garvey
L Howard
D Turley
B Mc Ardle
K Mc Kernan
N Madine
P Fitzpatrick
R Johnson
C Laverty
P Devlin
J Johnson
C Maginn
D O Hare

Garvey in at no.3,  makes the defence look a lot stronger,  take it maginn will play out the field, and it will be Donal and Jerome in 2 man full forward line. 4 from 6 forwards from Kilcoo is interesting, I'd imagine Poland, Mc Conville,  and Carr will all be introduced at some point.

Never been a full back and never will.  Outstanding WHB, average FB.  A lot of pace in forward line but very small other than Ryan Johnston, could get bullied against a physically strong Kildare team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 30, 2015, 08:45:21 PM
WhiteGM, I presume you mean he was never a good fullback as opposed to him never being one? He was fullback when he won the minor All-Ireland title in 2005
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 30, 2015, 08:46:13 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 30, 2015, 08:26:58 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 30, 2015, 08:19:09 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on January 30, 2015, 08:11:58 PM
Down team named to play Kildare
M Cunningham
D o hagan
C Garvey
L Howard
D Turley
B Mc Ardle
K Mc Kernan
N Madine
P Fitzpatrick
R Johnson
C Laverty
P Devlin
J Johnson
C Maginn
D O Hare

Garvey in at no.3,  makes the defence look a lot stronger,  take it maginn will play out the field, and it will be Donal and Jerome in 2 man full forward line. 4 from 6 forwards from Kilcoo is interesting, I'd imagine Poland, Mc Conville,  and Carr will all be introduced at some point.

Never been a full back and never will.  Outstanding WHB, average FB.  A lot of pace in forward line but very small other than Ryan Johnston, could get bullied against a physically strong Kildare team.

He was a fine full back as a minor when he won an All Ireland in '05, he may have been lined out at WHB in plenty of games over the  last few seasons but more often than not he drops into full back line somewhere as he's probably the best man marker Down have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 30, 2015, 10:38:54 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on January 30, 2015, 08:45:21 PM
WhiteGM, I presume you mean he was never a good fullback as opposed to him never being one? He was fullback when he won the minor All-Ireland title in 2005

Yep that's what was getting at.  Wasted in there imo, Howard was doing alright in there too.
Title: ar
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 30, 2015, 11:43:48 PM
McCorry has not unreasonably decided against starting any of the Warrenpoint players or the squad members who were on holiday in January, but his team still looks decent. There could be a few positional switches, as Garvey is a fine defender who generally looks more comfortable away from the square and both Ryan Johnston and Maginn will spend much of their time in our half.

It is one of the smallest forward lines we have ever fielded, as several people have noted, but there is plenty of pace there and we have a few big men on the bench as well. Poland and McGarry are also very likely to appear at some stage, so some competition for places is developing. Mooney may still be finding his form but he is another strong option as the game opens up.

James had a little managerial history with Kildare, as they were his first and last competitive opponents with two very different outcomes. Our AI semi final win in 2010 was probably his finest hour in charge,so there will be a bit of an edge to the proceedings on Sunday. With four of our final six games in Newry, getting something from Newbridge would be quite an achievement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 01, 2015, 03:36:18 PM
Good start for McCrory a 4 point win. Down scored 2-1 in injury time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on February 01, 2015, 03:41:48 PM
Quote from: ardtole on February 01, 2015, 03:36:18 PM
Good start for McCrory a 4 point win. Down scored 2-1 in injury time.

thought we were a cert to lose, anyone down at it?
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Post by: Highlander3 on February 01, 2015, 03:50:49 PM
Did not think they would win today, very good start and now gives us a real chance for promotion

Heard mooney scored a great goal

Early days yet but its nice to get a good result and high score like that early in the year
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Post by: SHEEDY on February 01, 2015, 06:00:21 PM
Massive win today, sets us up nicely with 4 home games to come. Hopefully that win will instill a bit of confidence for the season ahead. Good to see Mooney showing up well. Roll on the rossies next sat night.
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Post by: 5 Sams on February 01, 2015, 06:30:14 PM
Bit of a smash and grab in Newbridge today although we probably deserved it for our workrate and perseverance alone.. We scored 2-1 in the 70th minute. While Mooney took his goal well he wasn't on the ball much at all.
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Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on February 01, 2015, 07:48:22 PM
Hard fought victory with a lot of luck involved. Thought the combination of laverty and PD was fantastic and was very pleased with Madine in the middle of the field and O'Hagan and Dee Turley (who was very composed at carrying the ball out of defence). Very surprised that Ryan johnston was substituted at half time however if I can remember he got a knock. Mooney blitzed his marker and ran through the heart of defence however after that he only made 2 touches on the ball as he moved into Half back. Any thoughts on other preformances? Did Malachy magee drop from the panel? Interested to see as he wasn't there whilst baz o'hagan niall Donnelly and o'hanlon all came in.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on February 01, 2015, 08:18:43 PM
Fortune definitely smiled on us in the closing stages but you also make your own luck and we finished the game with huge belief and no little skill.

While Kildare will obviously feel they should never have lost a match which they led by three points in the final minute, after both missing a penalty and hitting the underside of the crossbar, we had generally dominated possession and conceded a very poor defensive goal through a breakaway. Kildare effectively invited us to come at them late on and we had the flair players who were able to take advantage.

We had some reasonable performances at the back, although Cunningham seemed to panic when he pulled down a Kildare forward who was unlikely to score and duly picked up a black card. Kane's subsequent save was top drawer and kept us in the contest.

Both O'Hagan and Howard saw their opponents pick off a few scores, but O'Hagan in particular showed a fair amount of quality with a brilliant full length block and a classy point at the other end. Garvey will have better days, and was caught out for their goal, but both Dee Turley and McKernan were impressive and were always ready to push up. Ryan Johnston was reasonable and may have picked up a knock when he was withdrawn at half time, while McArdle covered a huge amount of ground.

Madine was excellent at midfield, and is capable of nailing a spot there, but Fitzpatrick struggled after a decent start, Maginn was in and out of the game and took a black card for the team towards the end, while Devlin had his best ever display for Down from both frees and play and his last point was something special.

Jerome Johnston put himself about without really getting going, but O'Hare was back to his best and fully deserved his goal. Laverty may not have scored but was everywhere and his refusal to accept defeat got us over the line.

Mooney can look anonymous and then burst into action which he certainly did with his brilliantly taken goal. The rest of the subs actually did not make much impact until McConville was in the right place when the ball came back from the crossbar.

With the Warrenpoint players due to return, and hopefully a couple of other familiar faces also coming back, we have the makings of a strong squad and, with four of our remaining six games in Newry, promotion is certainly not out of the question.

It is early days yet, but McCorry's selections and tactics served us well today and he is entitled to be very satisfied with his first league outing.
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Post by: Dubh driocht on February 01, 2015, 09:29:04 PM
Madine was my mom although all 20 men and the management deserve credit for what was an amazing finish. Our new captain Conor doesn't do second best and his leadership and desire lifted all those around him.It's clear that McCorry will turn to those he trusts and none of them let him down. Good game despite Kildare's ultra defensive approach. I didn't see it coming but absolutely delighted to see the hunger. Need to give Roscommon respect; they won the FBD league and will fancy their chances next Saturday.
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Post by: Line Ball on February 01, 2015, 09:46:14 PM
Picking up points on the road is always a bonus and I must say that I travelled in hope rather than expectation.  A game is never over to the final whistle and that was never more evident today and there was a sense of bewilderment at the final whistle, what a way to win a game.  Ryan Johnston must have been hurt as he was doing rightly and it was great to see Mooney in the red and black again, I think we have to be patient with him.  The Kilcoo factor worked today with Paul Devlin being as good in a Down jersey as I have seen him, Jerome worked hard throughout, Stevie Kane had an inspired introduction to county football and Laverty lead like a captain should.  Many other decent performances in Madine, O'Hagan, Mc Ardle and Turley. Good days ahead and nice to be upbeat for a change.
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Post by: 5 Sams on February 01, 2015, 09:53:19 PM
O'Hagan really is a top class defender. Himself and the fullback line were up against a very good, and very big, Kildare full forward line and did themselves justice. Some of the scores from the Kildare lads esp in the 1st half were outstanding but our lads stuck to the task. O'Hagan's block in the 2nd half was brilliant. Well done to them all. But don't forget what Winston Wolfe said in Pulp Fiction. ;)
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Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on February 01, 2015, 10:13:57 PM
Annoyed at the way people complain about Darren O'Hagan. Many 'fans' complained today about how he never got out in front of big podge fogarty. Darren O'Hagan never gets out infront of his man but it's he doesn't have to. He shadows his man every time perfectly and knows exactly when to dip the hand in and out and stands the man up and keep his mans back away from the posts whilst also carrying the ball out of the back smartly. He also covers back and is seldom turned easily. It also takes a lot of balls to dive full strength for the good of the team. Last year he kept Jamie Clarke completely subduded in armaghs back yard. In my opinion he is the best defender in down , however podge fogarty is probably kildares quickest and best players.
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Post by: NP 76 on February 01, 2015, 10:26:07 PM
Great win today where I think we mixed the good with some bad also. Defence stood very firm against a good forward line who hit some great long range scores. Midfield competed well and Madine was still running at the end. I think we need to get help up to the forwards quicker we are winning the ball but we don't have a player to give it too within 20 yards. I think we need to drive at defences to get the most out of our forwards to create more help and running of the shoulder to create opening which is how the last goal was created and both Mooney and Turley did this to create scores today but it wasn't done enough. More often we turn back and seem content to go back and forth a lot at one stage today we made 33 passes before we got into the oppositions half. In saying all that we really dug deep today to come away with a win a never say die attitude which is great to see and a willingness for work. Another thing I noticed was that all the players and panel stayed together for the anthem and even after the Kildare team had lined out the down team subs and all were still in a huddle showing a great sign of togetherness which is good to see. All in all a good day with the College also having a good win also
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Post by: Aristo 60 on February 01, 2015, 11:18:12 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 01, 2015, 08:18:43 PM
Fortune definitely smiled on us in the closing stages but you also make your own luck and we finished the game with huge belief and no little skill.

While Kildare will obviously feel they should never have lost a match which they led by three points in the final minute, after both missing a penalty and hitting the underside of the crossbar, we had generally dominated possession and conceded a very poor defensive goal through a breakaway. Kildare effectively invited us to come at them late on and we had the flair players who were able to take advantage.

We had some reasonable performances at the back, although Cunningham seemed to panic when he pulled down a Kildare forward who was unlikely to score and duly picked up a black card. Kane's subsequent save was top drawer and kept us in the contest.

Both O'Hagan and Howard saw their opponents pick off a few scores, but O'Hagan in particular showed a fair amount of quality with a brilliant full length block and a classy point at the other end. Garvey will have better days, and was caught out for their goal, but both Dee Turley and McKernan were impressive and were always ready to push up. Ryan Johnston was reasonable and may have picked up a knock when he was withdrawn at half time, while McArdle covered a huge amount of ground.

Madine was excellent at midfield, and is capable of nailing a spot there, but Fitzpatrick struggled after a decent start, Maginn was in and out of the game and took a black card for the team towards the end, while Devlin had his best ever display for Down from both frees and play and his last point was something special.

Jerome Johnston put himself about without really getting going, but O'Hare was back to his best and fully deserved his goal. Laverty may not have scored but was everywhere and his refusal to accept defeat got us over the line.

Mooney can look anonymous and then burst into action which he certainly did with his brilliantly taken goal. The rest of the subs actually did not make much impact until McConville was in the right place when the ball came back from the crossbar.

With the Warrenpoint players due to return, and hopefully a couple of other familiar faces also coming back, we have the makings of a strong squad and, with four of our remaining six games in Newry, promotion is certainly not out of the question.

It is early days yet, but McCorry's selections and tactics served us well today and he is entitled to be very satisfied with his first league outing.

Great account of a great day by mourne rover. Thought we thoroughly deserved it for the work rate and bravery. We won't come up against all that many teams this year who score the fine long range points as Kildare took today. Hats off to all players and management for making the successful changes. Mooneys goal was a treat. I'd just finished telling the Kildare lad beside me to watch out for him when he duly lit the afterburners!

Lovely to see and hear the delight in the camp and the fans at full time.

Well done down.  :)
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Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on February 02, 2015, 12:10:53 AM
Anyword or Malachy Magee, packie Downey and big Kevy Anderson and the other McKay brother? Were they cut from the panel for the league?
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Post by: snoopdog on February 04, 2015, 12:30:30 PM
best of luck to Portaferry on saturday.
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Post by: 5 Sams on February 05, 2015, 09:54:42 PM
Team for Saturday

Happy enough with that...leaves us with a very strong bench if needed...not sure why Garvey isn't there...good to see Magee getting a run...he earned his stripes in the McKenna Cup. At the risk of putting the blink on us.... are we getting close to a very good fullback line?...something we haven't had in quite a while. Will be interesting to see what Danny Savage brings to the table..of course they wont line out like that but I'd be confident of 2 points sa bhaile.

Down (NFL v Roscommon): S Kane; D O'Hagan, B McArdle, L Howard; M Magee, D Turley, K McKernan; N Madine, P Fitzpatrick; P Devlin, C Laverty, C Mooney; C Crilly, D O'Hare, D Savage.

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Post by: Mourne Rover on February 05, 2015, 10:09:57 PM
It is a little surprising to see five changes but Kane was always going to come into nets. The Johnston brothers were probably rested with their Sigerson match in mind and McCorry may have felt that, although McKernan is involved in the same game, we could not do without him. Garvey did struggle last Sunday and was probably at fault for the goal but he will be back before long, as will Maginn.

Magee and Crilly did reasonably well in the McKenna Cup, and so were entitled to get a run, and Mooney's pace will scare any opposition. McConville and Poland might have expected to be ahead of Savage but are decent options from the bench. There is going to be a fair amount of competition for places when the Warrenpoint players return.
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Post by: whitegoodman on February 05, 2015, 10:20:45 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 05, 2015, 09:54:42 PM
Team for Saturday

Happy enough with that...leaves us with a very strong bench if needed...not sure why Garvey isn't there...good to see Magee getting a run...he earned his stripes in the McKenna Cup. At the risk of putting the blink on us.... are we getting close to a very good fullback line?...something we haven't had in quite a while. Will be interesting to see what Danny Savage brings to the table..of course they wont line out like that but I'd be confident of 2 points sa bhaile.

Down (NFL v Roscommon): S Kane; D O'Hagan, B McArdle, L Howard; M Magee, D Turley, K McKernan; N Madine, P Fitzpatrick; P Devlin, C Laverty, C Mooney; C Crilly, D O'Hare, D Savage.



Very good corner backs maybe but still looking for a fullback.  Obviously wasn't impressed with Garvey last week and McArdle has been looked at there before.

Glad to see Kane given a chance but slightly concerned that he is sticking with McKernan at wing back and the midfield even though Madine did rightly last week.

Would like to see a couple of the point boys introduced soon enough.
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Post by: 5 Sams on February 05, 2015, 10:32:04 PM
I think yiz are being a wee bit unfair on Garvey lads...he has been one of our stand out defenders over the last 3 or 4 years. He was caught flat footed for the goal last week...anyone who was there could see he was watching his man and trying to watch the ball but it didn't work out. He is one of our best defenders and I want him in the mix come June in Celtic Park....and no..Im not from the bridge ;)
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Post by: whitegoodman on February 05, 2015, 10:38:32 PM
I think he is a tremendous wing back but average full back.  I can remember numerous games where he has been very good at half back for Down but none at full back.  He may have played there for the minors but that was a different level of football and a long time ago.

To reiterate he would start at half back every day of the week for me.
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Post by: NP 76 on February 05, 2015, 11:26:59 PM
A lot of changes to a team that won last week. I read somewhere that Roscommon were a very big team from 7 to 12 what size is Magee? He def deserved a run after impressing in the Mc kenna cup. This won't be no easy ride but hopefully Newry will swing it for us
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Post by: Mourne Rover on February 05, 2015, 11:29:02 PM
Garvey was named at full back last week but instead spent most of the game following his man out the field. He is still a fine defender and it would be a surprise if he does not start when the championship comes round. Howard is a more natural corner back and McArdle is probably our best bet on the square at the moment but McCorry will want to see a couple of other options during the league.
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Post by: ardtole on February 07, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
Best of luck to portaferry today.
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Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on February 07, 2015, 06:17:53 PM
Anyword on the minor panel?
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Post by: Smurfy123 on February 07, 2015, 10:06:11 PM
After last weeks smash and grab I thought we would push on.A complete shambles from start to finish.Add to Kildare getting beat tonight really puts last week into perspective.The sooner Dan Gordan and Marty Clarke are back the better.Not one starting player tonight would start for Dublin.I could go on.I said here 2 weeks ago that Kildares form was poor and got ate for it.Pushed off the ball all to often.Anyone know this strength mans background?Full report to follow tomorrow
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Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on February 07, 2015, 11:10:14 PM
Bad bad display tonight. Out classed all over the field, especially in midfield and full forward. Donie shine and Senan Kilbride typified what we need, a quick, strong target man. I was absolutely dumbfounded by either the managements or stevie Kane's decision to continue with long, aim less, kickouts, however mooneys dead leg and mckernans black card were huge turning points. Re assesment is needed
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Post by: supersub on February 07, 2015, 11:12:13 PM
I presume you are referring to Sloan the strength and conditioning coach. What has he got to do with it? In the short space of time he has been working with the team the effect his knowledge, training and overall involvement would plan to have made would not bare fruit on the second weekend in February. He is someone who's involvement is a long term goal and end results cannot be judged now. Things such as fitness, ball handling, decision making, score taking can all be worked on and improved week to week with a noticeable improvement in the majority of these over a short space of time. No need to push the panic button, usual story ensuing, last week a win and we were the bees knees, this week a defeat and we aren't good enough. Nothing proved this early in the year, don't get too dispondant.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on February 07, 2015, 11:21:43 PM
Good point super sub.You seem to know your stuff.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on February 07, 2015, 11:35:14 PM
It's always disappointing to lose at home, but we at least showed some spirit and an ability to reorganise when it looked as though we might get a hammering from a side which was packed with huge and very capable players down the middle. The result also emphasised that we are very much a work in progress and we need to get our own bigger men back if we are to make a lasting impact.

While McCorry pretty clearly started the wrong team, he made a range of astute changes which might even have got us a draw if we had not been on the wrong end of some questionable cards. McKernan was a huge loss early on and getting reduced to 14 through Howard's dismissal early in the second half gave us a mountain to climb.

The Derry referee did us very few favours, with the most inept decision coming when a Roscommon defender collided with his own keeper and was immediately given a free which led directly to a point for them, However, the comeback was still on and a few cooler heads in the closing stages could just about have rescued a result we would not really have deserved.

Kane's handling was excellent although our well beaten midfield  and half backs seldom won possession from his kick-outs. O'Hagan was impressive again against a fine corner forward and Howard battled away against an opponent who was a head taller than him. Turley found the going tough, although McArdle had another decent display. We missed McKernan badly after his early black card and Devlin never really settled in an unusual role at wing half but put over a couple of fine frees.

Madine never rediscovered his form from last week but Fitzpatrick improved steadily after a poor start and looked much more comfortable in the closing stages.

Maginn and Laverty worked as hard as ever and it was a pity that Mooney, after a couple of eye-catching runs and a brilliant catch, seemed to pull a hamstring so early. O'Hare started like a train but faded in the second half, while Crilly and Savage were sadly too small and too light for this particular contest.

Poland never got into the game from the bench with Gavey also out of sorts before his black card. However, Johnston was impressive before taking a late knock and McConville was in the right place again for a goal and a point, O'Hanlon has potential but needs to watch his discipline, while Donnnelly never settled.

We probably expected to lose to Kildare and beat Roscommon, and typically we have got it the other way around, but we still have two points from two games. The next fixture, away to Cavan, will be likely to tell us if we have a realistic hope of promotion.
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Post by: whitegoodman on February 08, 2015, 02:51:28 PM
That was pretty abject last night.  There is no dressing it, first half was probably worse than James last game against Kildare.

I have a lot of respect for what McCorry has done and I know it's early days and whatever but there are a few strange/worrying things that are continuing to happen.

- for the majority of the first half we had 6 fowards none of whivh are even close to 6 ft.  Is this realistic, all nice quick forwards but against bigger and stronger men will this work? We will come up against bigger, stronger and better teams than Roscommon and we were bullied out of it last night.  Big Arthur has his limitations but at least he has the strength and power to cause teams some problems.  Can you complete with the likes of Crilly, Maginn, Savage, Jerome, Laverty and O Hare all in the one forward line?? IMO at least two of Ryan Johnston, McKernan, Mallon and Mooney need to start in forward line.

- is this midfield going to be a long term option?  Are there not other options? Has McCorry made a rod for his own back here?

- Luke Howard was on a man at least 4 inches taller than him.  We were lucky than no high balls were sent in on him but in a world where we are seeing a more and more professional approach this seemed to be very amateurish.

- lads playing in positions that are they are not accustomed to.  Madine at midfield, Devlin at wing back/ midfield.  I have heard of lads that play in the forward line for their clubs playing corner back in training.  Is this McCorry trying to be a tactical genius and making something that isn't there.  Square pegs round holes and all that!!

Jim is coming in and trying to make an impact and I get that but not providing a bit of leniency to experienced footballers who have still something to offer such as Gordon, Coulter, Rooney and Rodgers many come back to haunt him.  Common denominator with all of them lads, size and power not to mention ability.

Again it's early days but that is now five games played and probably another 5 challenge matches and I'd suggest Jim still doesn't have a clue wha his best 15 is.  There is still time before June but I'd be more worried about getting another 4 points to be safe first. MR has suggested that the Cavan game will determine whether we have any prospects of promotion.  It may also determine if we have any prospects of relegation.

Positives from last nigh;  Kane seems like a decent option, composed, vocal and a good kick out.  Whe the ball was played early into Donal and Jerome there were capable of taking scores.  Donnelly put his weight about and may offer something around the middle.
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Post by: NP 76 on February 08, 2015, 03:26:11 PM
Totally agree with you WGM. Most of our forwards are corner men who just don't have the power to brake the tackle and create an opportunity. When the ball is delivered in early we look dangerous but we won't do this and continually turn back. We have no leaders on the field who can dictate things. Last night I think we made 3-4 clean catches but yet our keeper continued to kick straight down the middle when we were winning nothing. Roscommon had men running through us at will last night at one stage Kilbride was being tackled by 3 down men and they couldn't get him stopped he then tripped and yet was still able to get the ball away. We replace men with small men as we have no other choice. If Kalum king and Dan Gordon can't offer us something around the middle more than we have now I don't know where we will go. To be honest we stole it last week which probably gave us a false sense of where we are last night a more true reflection. On the sending off I just can't work out when a man is just after getting a yellow why get involved in the next instance that happens I just find that stupid
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Post by: Mourne Rover on February 08, 2015, 09:03:17 PM
We were probably a little too pleased with ourselves after the Kildare game, and we seem to be heading in the opposite direction after the Roscommon defeat, so we need a degree of perspective. This Down team is very much a work in progress and there are likely to be good and bad days throughout the rest of what looks like a pretty tight division.

It would be great if we could draft in some physically strong and capable central players, but there is no indication that Gordon and King are going to make themselves available, Ambrose's fitness remains uncertain and Rooney's form was not great last summer. It is not impossible that Benny could be talked out of retirement but it would depend on how he gets on when Mayobridge's season starts. Marty should return when his condition permits it, although the timetable remains unclear.

We will have to get the best out of present squad in the meantime, and we can at least look forward to seeing the Warrenpoint contingent back in action. Mallon would certainly give us an option around the midfield and half forward line, while Boyle and McCartan will be in contention for defensive places. McGarry is another talented but light forward, and last night showed that we have yet to get the balance right up front.

While Roscommon deserved their win, they did most of the damage in the ten minutes after McKernan's debatable black card. The way we responded when Howard got his red early in the second half gives us at least some encouragement, but the margin between pushing for promotion and slipping towards the other end of the table is going to be narrow.
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Post by: urbangael on February 08, 2015, 09:51:17 PM
The engine room is where Down are lacking, point taken about small men but our smaller men will do damage when they get the right ball, O'Hare and jerome were examples of this.  O'Hagan is our smallest defender yet our best. The need for a more physical presence is obvious round half back, half forward lines and midfield.  Still not convinced about maidine in there. People keep referring to big dan and it would be great to have him back but by all accounts he can't commit due to work and family life so let's move on.   Gordon owes nothing to down.  Big Arthur showed enough physical presence to warrant more mins and mooney was mixing it we'll too Ryan johnston another realistic option here as well. Any update on the mooney injury? No point lads on the panel have they got time off or what's the story.  Crilly and savage look too light weight what about any other panelists, is Downey at well over 6ft worth a look?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on February 08, 2015, 10:21:31 PM
Genuinely thought that after a couple of years out in the cold big packie would get his chance this year. Good to see him down on the bench the other night and in fairness that was a night for a big man like him. I think mccorry needs to try a couple of new combinations in the midfield and full back lines.
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 09, 2015, 10:42:59 AM
Lets be honest here. That was as shite a performance at home under lights as I can remember in recent times. Some boys in here like to sugar coat and spin oul crap about returning players coming back and saving the day. A lot of fellas standing watching or at home on the couch surely make a big difference but they aren't available for whatever reasons. It just isn't going to happen. Forget about it. Roscommon are a decent side and would have designs on their own provincial championship so not taking too much away from a good win for them.

But from a Down perspective there were a lot of areas for improvement and one would hope that management will identify these pretty soon and remedy them for next day out. In our next game if the same mistakes or traits remain then you would be asking serious questions.

Kane is an able Goalkeeper and its between him and Cunningham for the jersey, but one thing that drives me crazy is the amount of times we hit re-starts high and down the middle of the field for a possession lottery. Can we not ping the ball 50yrds to a man's chest or into 10yrds space for him to run onto rather than the hoof down the middle. Not pointing finger totally at keepers here as there is a shared responsibility for players to make runs too and management to introduce a system that works. Possession is key more than ever, moreso when we have a makeshift midfield a team of midgets. Possession from kickouts is definitely an area for improvement.

The amount of times that we were brushed off in the contact was again astounding. And this wasn't just from the smaller guys. Only when we had numbers surrounding a man in possession did we look like creating turnovers but when a man came off the shoulder with any sort of pace it was clear to see how easy they could break the lines through defence.
In terms of our Lineup or shape - Devlin is no defender and never will be. Likewise for Madine and midfield.

We have a serious lack of physicality and height in the squad to compete and this is worrying. In this case id be expecting the bigger and more experienced men to be showing up and leading the way and to be frank they aren't stepping up and aren't leading. The last time McKernan played any in a Down jersey was couple years ago in Celtic Park. His black card was inexcusable. Id be expecting him to lead by example in how he plays and the same for few others. Players that are booked, ticked or even on the ref's radar that get themselves involved in anything silly have only themselves to blame if they walk. The risk is too much in todays game especially with incompetent refs. Donal O'Hare kicking a free kick from less than 30yrds into keepers hands is inexcusable. Not to be totally anti-Burren either, but these are just instances that stick out in the game. If anything id have doubted that Dan McCartan or Decky Rooney would have been bullied as much by Shine or Senan Kilbride. They would been tailor made for them in fact.

We cant carry a team of midgets especially in forward division. A good big one will always be better than a good wee one. We have a legion of good wee ones.


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Post by: A man from Down on February 09, 2015, 01:59:27 PM
To be honest, Saturday night was the type of performance I was expecting going into this league. I'm not being negative but the new management will need time to see what their best team, game plan etc is. We have a small squad and our best footballers in club football by and large (excuse the pun) are hardly giants. There's no point in mentioning players who aren't committing now for whatever reason, the league has started and the preparations for Derry in the championship have started now. There will of course be one or two who will return but don't be holding your breath.

Back to Saturday, the early departures of Mooney and McKernan were significant. They are two of our most powerful runners and had they stayed on the game would have taken a different slant, of that I have no doubt. Also when Mooney came off Lavery went into half forward in his place and for me its a total waste. Even in the first 10 mins Lavery looked dangerous in around the full forward line and when he comes out around the middle not nearly as effective. For me he's one of the very best corner forwards in Ulster yet we don't see him in there nearly enough. As people said, Kane looks a good addition and the influence of Fitzpatrick as the game wore on is another positive. Another note in regards to our lack of size, height etc is Peter Turley. In the last couple of years he has been more than decent and has given us a bit of strength around the middle. I remember thinking in 2013 against Donegal in Breffni (when he was immense) that we had at last found a natural Number 6.  Anyway this very much is a transition period and if you can't experiment against Roscommon at home in February, when can you? I hope the management do give everyone who is committed to them a chance and come June they will know their best 15 and game plan because as long as we beat Derry in June nobody will give a toss about Saturday nights result.
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Post by: PAULD123 on February 09, 2015, 11:45:42 PM
There is a lot for Jim to sort out. But first he has to sort out his own selections. Most strange for me was playing PD and half back when he has only ever played him in the forwards for his club.

The fullbacks are never in front of their men, never get a hand in to prevent the forward gathering the ball. Ok some of their covering was good by mostly not allowing their man to turn but seriously surely they should win some balls? The half back line hardly defended at all. Wouldn't Garvey and Ryan Johnston have improved it?

The ball in to the forwards was terrible, but then again the half forwards will probably say their forwards were not showing, and the really weren't. Donal O'Hare again went a bit AWOL. Crilly and Savage showed nothing really. Only Jerome Johnston and Laverty were able to make themselves available for passes.

And on that point why choose not to play PD as a forward when we had no passing half forward there?

Why big Arthur isn't in there are a target man is beyond me. After two goals in two games I would expect he will start next time out.

In fairness the loss of McKernan and Mooney took a huge amount of athleticism out of the team.

I think we need to see Garvey and Ryan Johnston, in for Turley and Devlin, PD at half forward (or Poland), Mooney back fit, Laverty to move forward for Crilly, Arthur in for Savage and Mallon in at midfield. Personally I'd also put Jerome in for O'Hare but I don't see him getting dropped as he has scored 1-09 in two games with 1-04 from play

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Post by: gaaboard on February 10, 2015, 10:56:29 AM
Folks, take it easy with the personal attacks on players.
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Post by: rosskarr on February 10, 2015, 03:53:42 PM
  Order is now restored.  :D
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Post by: Aristo 60 on February 10, 2015, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 10, 2015, 03:53:42 PM
  Order is now restored.  :D

Good job and all - I thought we were going to have a serious falling out amongst the common Down men (and/or wemen).

No doubt we will have had our fill of 'the Kilcoo question' come the end of the championship be it in June or September!
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Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 11, 2015, 09:38:46 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 10, 2015, 03:58:36 PM
No doubt we will have had our fill of 'the Kilcoo question'

Jealousy will get them nowhere.  ;D
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Post by: supersub on February 12, 2015, 12:15:35 PM
Who's that?
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Post by: Courtney on February 13, 2015, 04:02:50 PM
Any lads going to McRory game tonight ? Abbey could be dark horses this year .
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Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on February 15, 2015, 12:25:13 PM
Good luck to the four shamrocks men on the college macrory and the three on the St pauls team!
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Post by: alba2 on February 23, 2015, 11:33:03 AM
The Ulster Coaching conference was a fantastic success on Saturday past.  A great day for all coaching enthusiasts.  The information i got from the Burnout seminar ran by Marty Loughran and the coaching session by Donie Buckley was first class.  Its just a pity this type of masssive conference is only ran once per year.  More of the same needed please!!
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Post by: Aristo 60 on February 26, 2015, 05:07:30 PM
Many travelling to breffni on Saturday night?

Low key build up - anybody any news before we hear the team later tonight hopefully.
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Post by: NP 76 on February 26, 2015, 09:13:56 PM
Down team to face Cavan
Kieran Gordon
Darren o hagan
Luke Howard
Damien Turley
Paul Devlin
Niall Madine
Conal Mc Govern
Benny Mc Ardle
Peter Fitzpatrick
Jerome Johnson
Kevin Mc Kernan
Daragh o Hanlon
Mark Poland
Conor Laverty
Donal o hare
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Post by: Mourne Rover on February 26, 2015, 10:09:51 PM
It is a team with plenty of pace but very much on the light side. McCorry seems determined to give Devlin an extended run at wing half back, and he may find a bit more space there with a packed Cavan defence in the other half. Madine and McArdle have effectively swapped roles, and both are in fairly unnatural positions. Breffni is a tough place to go but we will probably find out more about ourselves as a result.
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Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on February 26, 2015, 10:36:47 PM
Some players picked due to injurjes but it's good to see some new faces prove themselves. As terry Hyland said recently, he expects every county player to play anywhere for his county and be versatile, however Id say most of our men will end up switching in and out all over the field, however this team could be a tactically oriented.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on February 26, 2015, 11:31:33 PM
We will also have a decent bench, which should include the returning Warrenpoint players and Aidan Carr, and we will probably need them if we are going to get something out of the match.
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Post by: PAULD123 on February 27, 2015, 03:29:34 PM
Darragh O'Hanlon has played a lot of football at half-back and PD at half-forward. Why line them out in positions they are not used to?

Why not bring Boyle and Mallon back in and make use of their extended run of competitive matches at club level?

Why play three players under 5'7" in the full-forward line?

Are Arthur and Connor Garvey unfit? Because they both deserve  a place

Continuing with Pete Fitzpatrick at midfield when he isn't even the best midfielder in Division 2?

Benny McCardle at Midfield???? Played his best at corner or wing back!

Jerome Johnston who is generally a full-forward line playing out at half forward?

Ryan Johnston nowhere in sight.

Makes me wonder if Jim is a bit of an Armagh secret agent!!!!!!!
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Post by: Dubh driocht on February 27, 2015, 07:29:53 PM
VG interview with Marty Clarke on Newstalk

http://www.newstalk.ie/player/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/80015/2/Marty_Clarke_
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Post by: 5 Sams on February 27, 2015, 09:22:25 PM
Big test for McCorry tomorrow night. Actually looking forward to the game...not looking forward to the cnut of a drive to Cavan though >:(
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Post by: Orior on February 27, 2015, 09:41:24 PM
Driving down to Newry tonight, I overtook a van with the numberplate AN10 DUN.

Was that deliberate or a fluke?
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Post by: A man from Down on February 27, 2015, 10:07:25 PM
PAULD123, I would'nt get too carried away with positions. Kevin Cassidy's recent column in Gaelic life gives a good summary of how positions have changed in recent years.

An obvious thing which I'm happy about is that McCorry seems to be trying out lots of players in lots of positions. At least he's not afraid to have a look at his options. Hopefully he will know get all his experimenting done and dusted and learn from it in time for the championship.

As for Marty Clarke that was a great interview. It looks like its going to be a long road back for him to wear the red and black. I wish him well, he's such a talent and having a fit and well Marty Clarke would obviously increase our chances of success greatly.

Below is the Kevin Cassidy piece by the way:


  THERE has been a lot of talk and discussion recently about the current state of our game. Players, ex players and pundits have all had their say and the general consensus is that our game is in decline.

Some players have refuted the fact that our game has taken a step backwards recently but in reality it probably has. Players feel that the game was at its best when they played it themselves.

I remember times when I was playing for Donegal and ex players, turned pundits, might have made a comment and you would say to yourself "what does he know sure the game has moved on so much since he played".

True but we all see the game through our rose-tinted glasses!!

The fact is that the game continues to evolve. I am only out of it a few years and I would say that there have been significant changes in relation to training methods since I last donned the Green and Gold.

That's the nature of our sport like it or lump it. GAA teams have now adopted a win-at-all-cost mentality. Forget about if we're making it attractive, forget about what kind of game we are leaving behind for the next generation, forget about the long-term health of our players. It's now all about win percentages at the end of the season.

Last weekend we had two fantastic Club semi-finals with Gaels taking to social media to boast about the quality on show.

Current players used it as an example to counter the arguments of pundits who spoke about the standard of play in recent weeks.

My advice to those players would be to look closely at those four teams involved, study the coaches and philosophies of each team and you will quickly realise that they are a dying breed in our sport.

Mickey Moran wouldn't entertain negative defensive football nor would starlets like Diarmuid Connolly or Micheal Lundy play it.

Whether we like it or not, our game has changed. The criteria for selecting an inter county player has changed so much over the past decade.

I am currently on a family holiday and while walking home last Sunday I bumped into Down and Warrenpoint legend and All-Ireland winner Peter Rooney.

We stopped for a while and while shooting the breeze along the promenade (it amazes me as to how quickly you can become comfortable around someone with similar interests, especially GAA) when the conversation swung towards how the game is played nowadays. We both agreed on one thing, that our game has become hard to watch.

Peter said that "managers are now looking for greyhounds not footballers". I couldn't have agreed more.

We parted by saying that hopefully In the next few years managers and coaches will return to something that resembles the game we both love.

After I left Peter my mind began to wander and I tried to put myself in the shoes of an inter-county manager and tried to envisage what type of players he would be looking for in this day in age.

Goalkeeper

Mobile, quick and accurate with short kickouts and who can convert 45s

Full back line

Strong, fast and extremely fit. No need to be a seriously tight marker as they will be protected by the 10 bodies in front of them. Must be able to run the length of the field to create the over lap for the running game.

Half Back line

As they now generally have no one to mark as the oppositions 10 and 12 now retreat they have become the play makers of the modern game. Half backs now see more ball than any other player on the pitch. They need to be able to pick a pass and kick scores.

Midfield

No need for high fetchers as opposition will just bypass midfield with short kick outs. Must be big strong and extremely athletic. Need to be able to go from their own 20 yard line to the oppositions 20 for 70 minutes attacking and defending.

Half Forward line

You are looking for a players who can run all day and is about 12 stone in weight. Unselfish players who do not want to shine or to score but are happy covering in front of the full back line hoovering up loose ball.

Full forward line

First and foremost they must be ferocious tacklers and have a phenomenal work-rate. They must be willing to leave behind what makes forwards so special in that they play off they cuff, they must now be willing to play the percentages and to stick to the plan even though it may go against every natural instinct they have.

So there you have it to make it nowadays in any of those positions that is what most managers are looking for. I wonder would legends such as Maurice Fitzgerald, The Bomber Liston and Trevor Giles even make the bench nowadays, probably not. That alone is enough to back up Peter's argument that we are now looking for greyhounds not footballers!!

Twitter KCASS7



- See more at: http://gaeliclife.com/2015/02/kevin-cassidy-a-game-for-greyhounds/#sthash.NIUtf00o.dpuf
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Post by: Aristo 60 on February 27, 2015, 10:12:56 PM
Quote from: Orior on February 27, 2015, 09:41:24 PM
Driving down to Newry tonight, I overtook a van with the numberplate AN10 DUN.

Was that deliberate or a fluke?

No fluke. Just a pity 2010 didn't work out.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on February 27, 2015, 10:24:50 PM
Posts from PaulD123 are always worth reading but he should put forward his alternative selection if he really thinks that tomorrow's line-up is all wrong.

McCorry knows Devlin better than most and clearly has a reason for keeping him at half back. O'Hanlon has yet to prove himself in county football  but deserves a chance in the area where he generally prefers to operate.

Boyle, Mallon and indeed McGarry and Carr are likely to be involved but, having just returned to the squad, it is not unreasonable to keep them on the bench.

We will have a two rather than a three man full forward line and O'Hare's height has been listed in recent programme as 5'11'' rather than 5' 7'', while McConville has been a very effective impact sub so far and Garvey is struggling for form.

Our options at midfield are limited but Fitzpatrick was much improved in the second half against Roscommon and, as someone who has been played in the position in All Ireland finals at minor, u21 and senior level, still has plenty to offer.

McArdle is certainly not his natural partner but is a fine athlete who may well swap roles with Madine in the course of the match.

Jerome Johnston may have been named at wing forward but will probably not play there and his brother Ryan is a fine prospect who has yet to nail down a starting place.

It would be fair to suggest that McCorry picked the wrong team the last day, and we are taking on a decent side at Breffni, so there will be plenty at stake tomorrow night.
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Post by: DuffleKing on February 27, 2015, 11:41:52 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 27, 2015, 03:29:34 PM
Darragh O'Hanlon has played a lot of football at half-back and PD at half-forward. Why line them out in positions they are not used to?

Why not bring Boyle and Mallon back in and make use of their extended run of competitive matches at club level?

Why play three players under 5'7" in the full-forward line?

Are Arthur and Connor Garvey unfit? Because they both deserve  a place

Continuing with Pete Fitzpatrick at midfield when he isn't even the best midfielder in Division 2?

Benny McCardle at Midfield???? Played his best at corner or wing back!

Jerome Johnston who is generally a full-forward line playing out at half forward?

Ryan Johnston nowhere in sight.

Makes me wonder if Jim is a bit of an Armagh secret agent!!!!!!!

Dunno about the rest of that stuff but lads having an extended run with their club at intermediate level is not something to make use of. The only thing that would achieve is position said players waaaaay off the pace of county football.
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Post by: charlieTully on February 28, 2015, 12:27:04 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 27, 2015, 10:24:50 PM
Posts from PaulD123 are always worth reading but he should put forward his alternative selection if he really thinks that tomorrow's line-up is all wrong.

McCorry knows Devlin better than most and clearly has a reason for keeping him at half back. O'Hanlon has yet to prove himself in county football  but deserves a chance in the area where he generally prefers to operate.

Boyle, Mallon and indeed McGarry and Carr are likely to be involved but, having just returned to the squad, it is not unreasonable to keep them on the bench.

We will have a two rather than a three man full forward line and O'Hare's height has been listed in recent programme as 5'11'' rather than 5' 7'', while McConville has been a very effective impact sub so far and Garvey is struggling for form.

Our options at midfield are limited but Fitzpatrick was much improved in the second half against Roscommon and, as someone who has been played in the position in All Ireland finals at minor, u21 and senior level, still has plenty to offer.

McArdle is certainly not his natural partner but is a fine athlete who may well swap roles with Madine in the course of the match.

Jerome Johnston may have been named at wing forward but will probably not play there and his brother Ryan is a fine prospect who has yet to nail down a starting place.

It would be fair to suggest that McCorry picked the wrong team the last day, and we are taking on a decent side at Breffni, so there will be plenty at stake tomorrow night.

From watching a lot of county championship games over this past while, Ryan has always stood out,he is the type that when he gets on the ball there is a sense of excitement something can happen, a slight negative would be occasional half hearted attempts to track back. I thought he would be a guaranteed starter.
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Post by: whitegoodman on February 28, 2015, 11:45:30 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 27, 2015, 10:24:50 PM
Posts from PaulD123 are always worth reading but he should put forward his alternative selection if he really thinks that tomorrow's line-up is all wrong.

McCorry knows Devlin better than most and clearly has a reason for keeping him at half back. O'Hanlon has yet to prove himself in county football  but deserves a chance in the area where he generally prefers to operate.

Boyle, Mallon and indeed McGarry and Carr are likely to be involved but, having just returned to the squad, it is not unreasonable to keep them on the bench.

We will have a two rather than a three man full forward line and O'Hare's height has been listed in recent programme as 5'11'' rather than 5' 7'', while McConville has been a very effective impact sub so far and Garvey is struggling for form.

Our options at midfield are limited but Fitzpatrick was much improved in the second half against Roscommon and, as someone who has been played in the position in All Ireland finals at minor, u21 and senior level, still has plenty to offer.

McArdle is certainly not his natural partner but is a fine athlete who may well swap roles with Madine in the course of the match.

Jerome Johnston may have been named at wing forward but will probably not play there and his brother Ryan is a fine prospect who has yet to nail down a starting place.

It would be fair to suggest that McCorry picked the wrong team the last day, and we are taking on a decent side at Breffni, so there will be plenty at stake tomorrow night.

I would agree with most of what Paul has said.  It is as if Jim hasn't been around Down football for 10 years and is getting to know the players.  There isn't a defender in the half back line, McArdle at midfield, McKernan everywhere but the right place and Jerome out the field.

With the players available I would have thought this might be better

Kane
O hagan
Howard
Turley
Garvey
Carr
McArdle
Fitzpatrick
Mckernan
Mallon
Poland
R Johnston
Laverty
O hare
J Johnston

O hare and Jerome inside, laverty and Poland floating, power, size and pace on the wings and two natural midfielders.  Oh and a couple of defenders in the half back line just to shake things up !!!!
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Post by: supersub on February 28, 2015, 03:20:30 PM
A lot of people airing opinions on what is the right and wrong selection for Down - and so be it, it is a discussion forum after all. However could I suggest doing it without questioning the integrity of a recently installed manager in his 3rd proper game in charge. He obviously picks people in the positions they are in for a reason. He is the one that sees them every night of the week and who is in the best shape and form for the next game. The manager is there for a reason, to manage the side. He knows a lot more than your average or not so average keyboard warrior. Of course opinions are there to be made, but not while bringing the reputation of a coach coach into question. We also have to realise that the game is developing and changing, the way teams play is indicative of positional choice. Half backs in a lot of games now have a lot of space and need to be good on the ball and take a score as mentioned above in the article. Horses for courses to an extent - maybe with so many behind the ball for Cavan PD will get a lot of opportunity for long range scores, while O'Hanlon will get through a lot of work tracking back and trying to stop Cavans slow build up from the back. Just an example.
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Post by: whitegoodman on February 28, 2015, 05:44:47 PM
Who is questioning his integrity???? A few might be questioning his selection but that's about it   :o
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Post by: lfdown2 on February 28, 2015, 06:52:20 PM
Anyone any audio/video streams for tonight's game?
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Post by: rory on February 28, 2015, 07:46:54 PM
http://www.stream2watch.me/sports/football/cavan-vs-down-live-stream
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Post by: PAULD123 on February 28, 2015, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 28, 2015, 03:20:30 PM
A lot of people airing opinions on what is the right and wrong selection for Down - and so be it, it is a discussion forum after all. However could I suggest doing it without questioning the integrity of a recently installed manager ...

I wasn't questioning his integrity. I thought people would see that the last comment was meant as a sort of whimsical statement exemplifying my general failure to understand some of jim's decisions. Certainly I support him fully, hope he is a success and have said for some time now that he earned his position with the superb job he did at Kilcoo. But I am still baffled by his decisions. Especially leaving out Arthur.

But to be clear it was a joking comment and I didn't mean it seriously

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Post by: 5 Sams on February 28, 2015, 10:32:46 PM
Just home. Two points on the road again. Big Arthur saves the day again with a great pass to Garvey who slipped it to O'Hare who won the game after a tight, mistake ridden affair in horrible conditions. We were probably the best team on the night despite losing O'Hagan and McArdle early on to injuries.
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Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on February 28, 2015, 10:39:50 PM
Surely art has nailed down that full forward position now. Every ball in stuck to him, his running off the ball was great and every pass into him he hung onto and just dropped the shoulder and ran on,   up the Connor Garvey pass for the donal o'hare goal. Also thought that conail McGovern seemed very settled and composed on the ball in an unaccustomed position but my jury is still out on Jerome Johnston and o'hanlon. Still, 2 points on the road is always great!
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Post by: Dubh driocht on February 28, 2015, 11:46:48 PM
Good win on the road again. McCorry read it well, I was surprised he took off Madine as he was doing well but Garvey was in the right place to capitalise on great work by Art mor for the decisive score from Donal. The three Downpatrick men were on a par with the four Kilcoo men,Kevy Mc Kernan led by example. Important two points sets us up well but we need to start making Pairc Esler a fortress again, starting with Galway next week.
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Post by: Aristo 60 on March 01, 2015, 12:07:51 AM
Well glad went to breffni good down performance but measure that against a very poor Cavan display.


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Post by: Mourne Rover on March 01, 2015, 12:36:48 AM
It is possible that McCorry picked the wrong team against Roscommon but he got everything right tonight, including his substitutions, and he is entitled to be pleased with our progress. While Cavan are a fairly ordinary side, they are hard to beat at Breffni and it looked ominous for us when they pulled level mid-way through the second half with a gale force wind behind them. However, we had looked like getting a goal for most of the match and, as soon as we did, the points were effectively secure. The Cavan red card was a little unfortunate, but the two fouls were in quick succession, and probably balanced out the two early injuries which disrupted our system. With three of our last four fixtures at home, a rattle at promotion is not out of the question.

Gordon did well in nets on his league debut, even if he put too many kick-outs down the middle, and he showed good handling skills and was particularly quick off his line. O'Hagan was unlucky to pick up what looked like a hamstring after about five minutes and may be out for a while.  The team-mate who insisted on passing to him after he had pulled up and waved to the sideline was not exactly paying attention. Collins did an excellent job when he came on, Dee Turley put in a fine shift and Howard is starting to really look the part at full back and even scored a long range point which may well have been intended as a pass..

McArdle was another unfortunate injury victim but Boyle did well when he came on. Devlin was not at his best in the first half but inproved steadily when he was pushed further forward after the break. McGovern also had an uncertain start but eased into his role and got a fine late point. Turley was excellent at midfield while Madine battled away and it was a surprise when he was replaced.

O'Hanlon had a great start with a couple of penetrating diagonal balls, but did not really impose himself  later on, while Johnston worked hard until he was sensibly taken off after his yellow card. McKernan is one of our key figures and put in a classy display.

Poland is still trying to find his best form but was competing strongly towards the end and played a part in the goal. O'Hare is quite a talent, as he comes in and out of the game but still gets his goal and a few crucial points. Laverty took a while to get going but he eventually became the dominant influence and Cavan had no idea how to cope with him in the closing stages.

Garvey and Carr were steady when they appeared and big Arthur made another huge impact. He won every ball down his wing and set up the goal, and, while he seems capable of turning games from the bench, may be close to a starting spot.

We may not have been great, but we got the result we needed and three of our last four games are at home. Galway next week will be a big match for us.
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Post by: whitegoodman on March 01, 2015, 08:20:05 PM
Good win last night. The sending off came at just the right time as the game was starting to get away from us.  Thought the two Turleys and McKernan were the pick of the players last night and despite some of the criticism that Donal gets we would be in trouble without him.

Would still have some misgivings about player selection and positioning but there can't be much doubt about the spirit that McCorry has installed into the team.
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Post by: 5 Sams on March 01, 2015, 10:32:32 PM
Just saw the highlights on TG4. Mc Kernan was superb. Hard to see when there on the night but the Cavan lad was unlucky to get a 2nd yellow.
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Post by: snoopdog on March 03, 2015, 10:36:00 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 01, 2015, 10:32:32 PM
Just saw the highlights on TG4. Mc Kernan was superb. Hard to see when there on the night but the Cavan lad was unlucky to get a 2nd yellow.

Totally agree it was a very soft yellow.
big game sunday against Galway, we cant let 2 great results on the road be overshadowed by poor performances at home. a victory over Galway would set us up nicely with 2 of 3 games to be played in Newry.
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Post by: Courtney on March 04, 2015, 08:53:39 PM
Reports filtering through that we need a new County Minor Manager.
Any truth ? What happened ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 04, 2015, 09:45:23 PM
Why is that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on March 04, 2015, 10:04:41 PM
I genuinely doubt that the county board would consider sacking a manager right before he has his team play their first game of the year, however please elaborate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 04, 2015, 11:48:09 PM
I would not believe what that clowns says.Another bullshit story I would say.Move on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 05, 2015, 10:31:57 AM
Is this Hoganstand or GAABoard?
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Post by: OgraAnDun on March 05, 2015, 04:59:47 PM
100% nonsense.
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Post by: Aristo 60 on March 05, 2015, 05:00:19 PM
this is gaaboard.

hoganstand use colour on their website  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 06, 2015, 08:22:59 AM
Down team to play Galway
S Kane
R Boyle
L Howard
D Turley
P Devlin
C Garvey
C Mc Govern
B Mc Ardle
P Turley
R Mc Garry
K Mc Kernan
D O Hanlon
M Poland
C Laverty
D O Hare

Good to see Mc Garry get a start see what he is made off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on March 06, 2015, 09:35:24 AM
I think down will win by 3 points on sunday yeeha  8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 06, 2015, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: Petergriffin1 on March 06, 2015, 09:35:24 AM
I think down will win by 3 points on sunday yeeha  8)

not gonna make the game this sunday, wonder is it on any radio stations. i will be travelling back from sligo.
2 points on sunday would be a big boost. Come on Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 06, 2015, 12:51:25 PM
McGarry fully deserves his chance, although he is not exactly going to increase the average size of an already small forward line. Big Arthur looks destined to be our long-term impact sub, while Collins may be unlucky not to get a start after a very impressive showing against Cavan. It generally seems a reasonable line-up for a decent test against serious opposition, so hopefully our home form will improve.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 06, 2015, 02:58:42 PM
Not like me to speak up for an RGU man but Gerard Collins should be on the team for Sunday. Think he looks very comfortable at county level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 06, 2015, 05:31:21 PM
Looks like a great line up.Really looking forward to this game.Down by 5-6 points here and marching onto promotion.Roll on Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 06, 2015, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: Courtney on March 04, 2015, 08:53:39 PM
Reports filtering through that we need a new County Minor Manager.
Any truth ? What happened ?
Courtney, ;D
    any updates on your claim about our Minor Football Manager?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on March 06, 2015, 09:43:32 PM
Report is Board not happy at all with training numbers and whole set up very dissappointing.Don't be surprised if set up resigns before they are pushed.
Needs to happen very quickly as these young men are worth more than this.Down Football deserves better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 06, 2015, 10:20:35 PM
Deserves more than this from whom the players, county management or county board ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shanemulholland on March 07, 2015, 08:49:58 AM
Courtney you are some idiot
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 07, 2015, 06:36:45 PM
Hard to beat hearing it from the horses mouth as they say
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 07, 2015, 07:07:17 PM
Quote from: Courtney on March 06, 2015, 09:43:32 PM
Report is Board not happy at all with training numbers and whole set up very dissappointing.Don't be surprised if set up resigns before they are pushed.
Needs to happen very quickly as these young men are worth more than this.Down Football deserves better.

Gobshite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 07, 2015, 07:15:25 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 07, 2015, 07:07:17 PM
Quote from: Courtney on March 06, 2015, 09:43:32 PM
Report is Board not happy at all with training numbers and whole set up very dissappointing.Don't be surprised if set up resigns before they are pushed.
Needs to happen very quickly as these young men are worth more than this.Down Football deserves better.

Gobshite.
+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on March 08, 2015, 04:49:56 PM
How did we win that match today ? Six points down twice in the match. Kane was brilliant. Three great saves. Devlin really kept his nerve to score winning point with last kick of the match. Poland and laverty pick of the forwards for me. Can't sign off without mentioning mckernans super point to equalise before PD hit the winner. I still think Down are in a false position though as they really were 2nd best today and then there was the 2 points we picked up in Kildare
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on March 08, 2015, 04:55:54 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on March 08, 2015, 04:49:56 PM
How did we win that match today ? Six points down twice in the match. Kane was brilliant. Three great saves. Devlin really kept his nerve to score winning point with last kick of the match. Poland and laverty pick of the forwards for me. Can't sign off without mentioning mckernans super point to equalise before PD hit the winner. I still think Down are in a false position though as they really were 2nd best today and then there was the 2 points we picked up in Kildare

Yea we have been lucky so far in the league, but do hope it's also a sign of a good spirit developing in the team, they never seem to think they are beaten

Still think we are to small, and would love to have clarke back. But would definitely have taken this at the start of the year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on March 08, 2015, 05:12:33 PM
Kane(not suprisingly motm) kept them in the game....Mc kernan,laverty,mooney and Devlin (twice) took fantastic scores when it mattered most to punish Galway.Still need to sort out midfield and the way Galway drove through the centre of Down's defence for a number of scores was alarming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 08, 2015, 07:28:08 PM
Galway were able to penetrate our defence at will in the 2nd half and take scores from the 21...we couldn't get past the Galway 50! McKernan with an outrageous score and Devlin with balls of steel sewed it up for us in the end but Kane effectively won the games for Down with a string of fabulous one on one saves. Sitting on top of Div 2 without playing particularly well is some achievement for McCorry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 08, 2015, 07:39:06 PM
I am as delighted as any man to see us somehow get a win out of that today but the luck is hanging out of us and we could easily be sitting with zero points from 4 games.

Some of the starting positions and substitutions continue to baffle and some of the players don't even look fit.  I would have been a big fan of McCorry prior to this year but I think the wins to date have come inspire of him so don't think it's McCorrys achievement at all.

Maybe I am a "keyboard warrior" for stating my opinion on this so sorry Kevin !!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 08, 2015, 07:51:49 PM
It was an astonishing game today, as we were totally outplayed for long periods but we hung in there, edged our way back into the contest late on and eventually our spirit got us over the line. Galway would have been out of sight had it not been for Kane in goals, who made at least four top drawer saves and placed most of his kick-outs well.

Apart from Kane, we struggled at the back for most of the afternoon and the sweeper system seemed to go missing for long periods. Boyle is probably not a corner back and could not cope with Cummins, while Howard was given very little protection and O'Hanlon did not look comfortable at half back. The early recurrence of McArdle's injury did not help but Dee Turley was very steady and McGovern was reasonable. McKernan was far from his best early on but his quality came through and his long-range late point was outstanding.

Garvey made a decent start at midfield and his unfortunate black card hit us badly, but Peter Turley was a tower of strength throughout and made a couple of massive hits along the way.

Poland, after a couple of ropey displays, is finding his form, while Devlin worked hard even when things were going against him and his winner in the fourth minute of injury time was nerveless. McGarry took quite a while to settle, but eventually hit a fine point and will be better for the experience. O'Hare had another one of those days when he did not really get going and still finished with 1-5, which will do us nicely. Laverty was as inspirational as ever, popping up at corner back when we needed him, linking the play throughout and bravely wining the crucial free at the death.

Of the subs, Johnston did not really impose himself but McConville is a handful wherever he plays and it was his turnover which led to the winning score. We are still trying to find the best way to utilise Mooney's pace but he did get one fine point, while Carr tidied up neatly and Downey competed well.

McCorry got most of his subs right, although Collins should probably have been introduced at an early stage and it was a surprise that he did not appear at all. However, the manager has a squad who believe in his approach and four points from our last three games may well get us promoted.

The radio interview afterwards which suggested that Marty Clarke is about to resume training may have been a little optimistic, but it is fairly clear that he is on the road back which would give us a huge lift.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 08, 2015, 08:49:44 PM
a fortunate win but a win none the less. stevey kane was brilliant in nets and was a deserving man of the match. still feel we are a very small and light team and galway walked through us at will at times and could have had another couple of goals at least. the subs that were introduced made difference and added a touch of much needed muscle especially around the middle third.
top of the pile but still much to improve on, which can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on March 08, 2015, 09:15:21 PM
The big fear we all have is about the size of our team.  Not for the first time in the League we have been ripped apart with strong, direct running and we simply don't have an answer to it.  I'm not even sure if these big physical players exist in Down like they do in other counties, big lads 6.3 or so who will put themselves around when needs be and can play ball too.  Ambrose and big Dan spring to mind but they are not involved at the minute.  Kane was outstanding today and really won the game for us.  Our strong finish was something else and what a free to win it, well done.  Who would have thought we would be where we are after 4 games, not many including me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 08, 2015, 09:29:42 PM
I missed today's game but have been to the others. And the 1 thing that has struck me most is the never say die attitude that past Down teams haveBT showed that often in fairness. But obviously missing a few big names who could make a big difference. Safe now,  promotion a real possibility can afford to lose 1 of last 3 and probably go up. Still think galway will top the table so might have another day our in croke park against them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 08, 2015, 09:40:43 PM
thought it was strange when benny mcardle went off injured early on we brought on jerome johnston, nothing against jerome but he wasnt exactly what we needed at that time and only added to the number of small players on the team. thought aiden carr or ryan mallon would have suited more at that time. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on March 08, 2015, 10:45:36 PM
Packie downey getting playing time is a big positive, however I think Ryan Mallon should be integrated into or around midfield, also Mal Magee has returned. Is ryan Johnston still out due to the injury he picked up for St Mary's?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on March 09, 2015, 02:26:10 PM
What a comeback yesterday , really getting a good feeling so far but concerned with lack of physical presence up front.
Rumours flying about minors in turmoil .
The set up is finished and ex senior manager is coming in to take over.PO was put back in to county to take over minors in few years but looks like he is in now ,a little earlier than planned.
Things are at an all time low , morale among the squad and confidence in the set up all but gone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 09, 2015, 02:38:00 PM
Quote from: Courtney on March 09, 2015, 02:26:10 PM
The set up is finished and ex senior manager is coming in to take over.PO was put back in to county to take over minors in few years but looks like he is in now ,a little earlier than planned.
Things are at an all time low , morale among the squad and confidence in the set up all but gone.

Absolute rubbish according to what I've been told from the people that know best.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 09, 2015, 04:03:15 PM
After yesterday's game I think the main worry is the inability to pass a ball accurately. We kicked away a lot of possession. That is nothing to do with talent, height, experience or any of the things we may not be blessed with. Even club players are expected to be able to pass a ball 20 yards accurately.

Apart from that, our midfield presence is very worrying and the inability to prevent teams coming right through the middle of our defence. We need a strong No.6 to hold that area.

I personally didn't think that lack of height held our full forward line back at all. Thought they were our best unit. Big Turley did a great job of holding midfield together more-or-less by himself. I cannot understand why big Arthur is not given a start. Packie Downey deserves a shot at midfield although Ryan Mallon should really be given first call against Westmeath due to his experience.

Ryan Boyle is a very good attacking half back but he is no corner back and should not have been played there. having said that he should at least have tried to get closer to his man. I would like to see big Arthur in at half forward, Devlin move up and O'Hanlon drop back, three from McKernan, Garvey, O'Hanlon, Boyle, and O'Hagan at half back, Mallon or Downey into midfield,

                     Kane

Howard - D Turley - Collins

McKernan - Garvey - O'Hanlon/Boyle/O'Hagan

  Downey/Mallon - P Turley

McConville - Poland - Devlin

Laverty - McGarry - O'Hare

I must admit I don't know if D Turley is the right man for fullback but don't see any obvious contender. But on recent showing he is big, strong but not adept enough for corner back.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 09, 2015, 08:28:55 PM
Quote from: Courtney on March 09, 2015, 02:26:10 PM
What a comeback yesterday , really getting a good feeling so far but concerned with lack of physical presence up front.
Rumours flying about minors in turmoil .
The set up is finished and ex senior manager is coming in to take over.PO was put back in to county to take over minors in few years but looks like he is in now ,a little earlier than planned.
Things are at an all time low , morale among the squad and confidence in the set up all but gone.

Did you not get picked by the minor management?? Because your talking absolute shite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shanemulholland on March 09, 2015, 10:03:10 PM
Courtney the man who told us Poacher was off to Annaclone :'(
Idiot. quality inside info you have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 09, 2015, 10:24:30 PM
Quote from: Shanemulholland on March 09, 2015, 10:03:10 PM
Courtney the man who told us Poacher was off to Annaclone :'(
Idiot. quality inside info you have.

Yiz are givin this amadán too much airplay lads. Ignore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 09, 2015, 11:35:56 PM
PaulD's selection may not be too far off the mark, as Collins is very likely to start and both O'Hagan and McArdle must be doubtful. However, Madine and Fitzpatrick could be closer to fitness and Ryan Johnston will hopefully be back in the squad.

An extra defender is an absolute necessity so McKernan will probably be named in the half forwards but play at sweeper. McConville has made a huge difference coming off the bench, so McCorry may keep him in that role.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 10, 2015, 09:11:54 AM
Great win for Down at the weekend.Lucky but as the saying goes a win is a win.Thought all the new lads done very well and deserve a starting place on Sunday.Surely Ryan Mallon is an option for midfield as we are struggling very badly in that area.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outback on March 10, 2015, 10:59:47 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 09, 2015, 08:28:55 PM
Quote from: Courtney on March 09, 2015, 02:26:10 PM
What a comeback yesterday , really getting a good feeling so far but concerned with lack of physical presence up front.
Rumours flying about minors in turmoil .
The set up is finished and ex senior manager is coming in to take over.PO was put back in to county to take over minors in few years but looks like he is in now ,a little earlier than planned.
Things are at an all time low , morale among the squad and confidence in the set up all but gone.

Did you not get picked by the minor management?? Because your talking absolute shite.
Maybe it's a relation of his.. The only thing this lunatic would get picked for is the "funny farm". Go away Coutrney.
Title: Six teams to go down this year folks?
Post by: Petergriffin1 on March 10, 2015, 01:50:06 PM
Who do we think the six teams to go down will be?
For me it is Clan na bana, Liatrom, Clonduff, Downpatrick, Glenn and a toss up between the point and the stone? thoughts???
Title: Re: Six teams to go down this year folks?
Post by: Down Follower on March 10, 2015, 02:03:25 PM
Clonduff and Downpatrick are likely to stay up. Better bets to be involved would be Ballyholland, Saval and Rostrevor.
Title: Re: Six teams to go down this year folks?
Post by: clowry13 on March 10, 2015, 02:04:17 PM
From a clonduff man i dont see us going down whatsoever? a good year last year in terms of scoring form + getting through championship group, inevitably being knocked out by county champions? if i was to guess i would say this is a kilcoo/bridge man posting their wishes of a successful club rival like clonduff to go down?   ???
Title: Re: Six teams to go down this year folks?
Post by: Petergriffin1 on March 10, 2015, 02:12:41 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on March 10, 2015, 02:03:25 PM
Clonduff and Downpatrick are likely to stay up. Better bets to be involved would be Ballyholland, Saval and Rostrevor.

I understand what your saying with the harps, depends on how they set up for me though! but cant see Saval going down. Good fowards and a solid defence, i see them finishing around 9th
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on March 10, 2015, 02:19:19 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 09, 2015, 04:03:15 PM
After yesterday's game I think the main worry is the inability to pass a ball accurately. We kicked away a lot of possession. That is nothing to do with talent, height, experience or any of the things we may not be blessed with. Even club players are expected to be able to pass a ball 20 yards accurately.

Apart from that, our midfield presence is very worrying and the inability to prevent teams coming right through the middle of our defence. We need a strong No.6 to hold that area.

I personally didn't think that lack of height held our full forward line back at all. Thought they were our best unit. Big Turley did a great job of holding midfield together more-or-less by himself. I cannot understand why big Arthur is not given a start. Packie Downey deserves a shot at midfield although Ryan Mallon should really be given first call against Westmeath due to his experience.

Ryan Boyle is a very good attacking half back but he is no corner back and should not have been played there. having said that he should at least have tried to get closer to his man. I would like to see big Arthur in at half forward, Devlin move up and O'Hanlon drop back, three from McKernan, Garvey, O'Hanlon, Boyle, and O'Hagan at half back, Mallon or Downey into midfield,

                     Kane

Howard - D Turley - Collins

McKernan - Garvey - O'Hanlon/Boyle/O'Hagan

  Downey/Mallon - P Turley

McConville - Poland - Devlin

Laverty - McGarry - O'Hare

I must admit I don't know if D Turley is the right man for fullback but don't see any obvious contender. But on recent showing he is big, strong but not adept enough for corner back.


I do not agree with that team to be totally honest. I think that conor garvey is the best full back we have. I also think peter fitzpatrick needs to be in the middle along with mooney coming in instead of mcconville. Also, mcgarry never proved himself last in divison 2 also he didnt perform to standard on sunday! jerome johnson into the full forward line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on March 10, 2015, 02:34:57 PM
Quote from: Courtney on March 09, 2015, 02:26:10 PM
What a comeback yesterday , really getting a good feeling so far but concerned with lack of physical presence up front.
Rumours flying about minors in turmoil .
The set up is finished and ex senior manager is coming in to take over.PO was put back in to county to take over minors in few years but looks like he is in now ,a little earlier than planned.
Things are at an all time low , morale among the squad and confidence in the set up all but gone.



Courtney.. was your son dropped from minors you seem to have something against the dowm minors this year when they are still only in trial matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 10, 2015, 04:24:54 PM
Hearing on the grapevine that Liam Doyle has retired from intercounty football. Rolls Royce of a player blighted by injury.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on March 10, 2015, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on March 10, 2015, 02:19:19 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 09, 2015, 04:03:15 PM
After yesterday's game I think the main worry is the inability to pass a ball accurately. We kicked away a lot of possession. That is nothing to do with talent, height, experience or any of the things we may not be blessed with. Even club players are expected to be able to pass a ball 20 yards accurately.

Apart from that, our midfield presence is very worrying and the inability to prevent teams coming right through the middle of our defence. We need a strong No.6 to hold that area.

I personally didn't think that lack of height held our full forward line back at all. Thought they were our best unit. Big Turley did a great job of holding midfield together more-or-less by himself. I cannot understand why big Arthur is not given a start. Packie Downey deserves a shot at midfield although Ryan Mallon should really be given first call against Westmeath due to his experience.

Ryan Boyle is a very good attacking half back but he is no corner back and should not have been played there. having said that he should at least have tried to get closer to his man. I would like to see big Arthur in at half forward, Devlin move up and O'Hanlon drop back, three from McKernan, Garvey, O'Hanlon, Boyle, and O'Hagan at half back, Mallon or Downey into midfield,

                     Kane

Howard - D Turley - Collins

McKernan - Garvey - O'Hanlon/Boyle/O'Hagan

  Downey/Mallon - P Turley

McConville - Poland - Devlin

Laverty - McGarry - O'Hare

I must admit I don't know if D Turley is the right man for fullback but don't see any obvious contender. But on recent showing he is big, strong but not adept enough for corner back.


I do not agree with that team to be totally honest. I think that conor garvey is the best full back we have. I also think peter fitzpatrick needs to be in the middle along with mooney coming in instead of mcconville. Also, mcgarry never proved himself last in divison 2 also he didnt perform to standard on sunday! jerome johnson into the full forward line.

Jesus effing christ. It was the lads debut ffs. You expect 2-10 out of him or something? Muppet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 10, 2015, 08:50:34 PM
One feature of Sunday was the best ever half-time game featuring young Gaeilgors from Mourne. Fair play to the coaches involved as these wee lads were mustard.
Title: Re: Six teams to go down this year folks?
Post by: clowry13 on March 10, 2015, 11:32:29 PM
I see saval staying up. Although warrenpoint have shown that they have the Young talent for division 1. It will be a massive season for CPN as they need to show the talent of the 2 u.21 titles.
With 6 teams going down it will be a massive dog fight with 8 or 9 teams all fight relegation I would say! Big season ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on March 10, 2015, 11:39:18 PM
clean up your language OUR FELLA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 11, 2015, 11:26:26 AM
Quote from: our_fella on March 10, 2015, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on March 10, 2015, 02:19:19 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 09, 2015, 04:03:15 PM
After yesterday's game I think the main worry is the inability to pass a ball accurately. We kicked away a lot of possession. That is nothing to do with talent, height, experience or any of the things we may not be blessed with. Even club players are expected to be able to pass a ball 20 yards accurately.

Apart from that, our midfield presence is very worrying and the inability to prevent teams coming right through the middle of our defence. We need a strong No.6 to hold that area.

I personally didn't think that lack of height held our full forward line back at all. Thought they were our best unit. Big Turley did a great job of holding midfield together more-or-less by himself. I cannot understand why big Arthur is not given a start. Packie Downey deserves a shot at midfield although Ryan Mallon should really be given first call against Westmeath due to his experience.

Ryan Boyle is a very good attacking half back but he is no corner back and should not have been played there. having said that he should at least have tried to get closer to his man. I would like to see big Arthur in at half forward, Devlin move up and O'Hanlon drop back, three from McKernan, Garvey, O'Hanlon, Boyle, and O'Hagan at half back, Mallon or Downey into midfield,

                     Kane

Howard - D Turley - Collins

McKernan - Garvey - O'Hanlon/Boyle/O'Hagan

  Downey/Mallon - P Turley

McConville - Poland - Devlin

Laverty - McGarry - O'Hare

I must admit I don't know if D Turley is the right man for fullback but don't see any obvious contender. But on recent showing he is big, strong but not adept enough for corner back.


I do not agree with that team to be totally honest. I think that conor garvey is the best full back we have. I also think peter fitzpatrick needs to be in the middle along with mooney coming in instead of mcconville. Also, mcgarry never proved himself last in divison 2 also he didnt perform to standard on sunday! jerome johnson into the full forward line.

Jesus effing christ. It was the lads debut ffs. You expect 2-10 out of him or something? Muppet

Are the expletives necessary?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 11, 2015, 01:00:02 PM
You get more from making polite points than swearing but at least Our-Fella was making a valid case. Ross did well for a debut and for me never wasted possession which is more than can be said for a lot of our players. His only error was a missed point attempt but that was hardly a crime. He played a lot better than Jerome did when he came on (and I am a huge fan of Jerome). But what part of his performance was not up to standard?

As for the comment that he never proved himself in division 2!!!!! Are you for real?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on March 11, 2015, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 11, 2015, 01:00:02 PM
You get more from making polite points than swearing but at least Our-Fella was making a valid case. Ross did well for a debut and for me never wasted possession which is more than can be said for a lot of our players. His only error was a missed point attempt but that was hardly a crime. He played a lot better than Jerome did when he came on (and I am a huge fan of Jerome). But what part of his performance was not up to standard?

As for the comment that he never proved himself in division 2!!!!! Are you for real?

Think he's trying to say that playing division 2 last year Ross hasn't proved himself as good enough for county standard boss. Hard to disagree because any wise man knows division 2 is a poor standard as is intermediate football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on March 11, 2015, 06:45:21 PM
Any word of a team for tonight?  I mean, I'm sure it is picked (unless they are going to pick it on the bus on the way up!!!!!) so how hard would it be to announce it?  The Down Way!

Derry have alot of absentees so I would be expecting a win tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 11, 2015, 09:21:00 PM
Under 21st well beat tonight. Don't live in County anymore so not sure what was expected of this squad. But it's over for another year at this level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 11, 2015, 09:35:38 PM
Can anyone post a team for tonight's under 21 game.All other county's in iIreland seem to release a team with the exception of Down.Why is this?A Derry team missing 8 regulars and we still can't beat them.The question has to be asked why more Warrenpoint lads didn't make the team!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on March 11, 2015, 10:47:14 PM
2 point players Aaron Magee  and Cormac McCartan. Donagh McAleenan not fit due to broken finger.
Would still like to know the line-out tonight and the score
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaffer on March 11, 2015, 11:01:55 PM
2 12. -   1 11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on March 11, 2015, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on March 11, 2015, 10:47:14 PM
2 point players Aaron Magee  and Cormac McCartan. Donagh McAleenan not fit due to broken finger.
Would still like to know the line-out tonight and the score
only 3 point lads isn't a great representation for the county champions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 11, 2015, 11:45:45 PM
Down team tonight was
Mark Reid
Aaron Mc Donald
Aaron Beattie
Aidan Fulcher
Anthony Doherty
Rory Burns
Ruairi Wells
Conor Devlin
Joe Mc Kinney
Martin Devlin
Cathal Foy
Aaron Magee
Pat Havern
Rory Mason
Conal gallagher
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on March 12, 2015, 08:22:44 AM
How you can justify 4 Bryansford men starting I'll never know
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 12, 2015, 09:13:44 AM
Could someone put their clubs beside them if possible.
Not a lot of names in there id recognise I must admit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 12, 2015, 10:07:25 AM
Down team tonight was
Mark Reid Bryansford
Aaron Mc Donald Bryansford
Aaron Beattie Newry bosco
Aidan Fulcher kilcoo
Anthony Doherty Downpatrick
Rory Burns Castlewellan
Ruairi Wells Bryansford
Conor Devlin Bryansford
Joe Mc Kinney daragh Cross
Martin Devlin kilcoo
Cathal Foy Burren
Aaron Magee Warrenpoint
Pat Havern saval
Rory Mason loughisland
Conal Gallagher Newry Bosco
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 12, 2015, 10:13:26 AM
Shocking low representation from South Down clubs in there.
Not often you see county side with little or nobody from Mayobridge, Clonduff, Rostrevor, Burren on it.
Maybe this is the way things are going. Is the talent all residing in East Down now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on March 12, 2015, 11:28:33 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 12, 2015, 10:13:26 AM
Shocking low representation from South Down clubs in there.
Not often you see county side with little or nobody from Mayobridge, Clonduff, Rostrevor, Burren on it.
Maybe this is the way things are going. Is the talent all residing in East Down now?

A Final of 2014 was Warrenpoint v Burren
B Final of 2014 was Rostrevor v Carryduff

3 out of 4 finalists from South Down

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 12, 2015, 11:55:34 AM
I wouldn't really pay much heed to the actual u21 competition run within the county.
Its a dud comp and played at a time of year when its hard for players to give a sh!te.
I was more thinking of the large % of players who play regular top tier football for their clubs or have shown pedigree at Ulster Colleges level beforehand.
Would have thought that the stronger/bigger clubs in Down would have decent 21s lining out for them regularly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on March 12, 2015, 12:07:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 12, 2015, 11:55:34 AM
I wouldn't really pay much heed to the actual u21 competition run within the county.
Its a dud comp and played at a time of year when its hard for players to give a sh!te.
I was more thinking of the large % of players who play regular top tier football for their clubs or have shown pedigree at Ulster Colleges level beforehand.
Would have thought that the stronger/bigger clubs in Down would have decent 21s lining out for them regularly.

I think a lot of us in this county under estimate the talent coming through our underage. although we have not performed well at county standard this past while if we look at each club there are a number of quality young individuals who are all probably good enough to break into senior teams, but is it a case that some club senior managers are afraid to play a youngster over someone who has been around longer?

'ifyoure good enough youre old enough' ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 12, 2015, 12:13:38 PM
Quote from: TooLongRef on March 11, 2015, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 11, 2015, 01:00:02 PM
You get more from making polite points than swearing but at least Our-Fella was making a valid case. Ross did well for a debut and for me never wasted possession which is more than can be said for a lot of our players. His only error was a missed point attempt but that was hardly a crime. He played a lot better than Jerome did when he came on (and I am a huge fan of Jerome). But what part of his performance was not up to standard?

As for the comment that he never proved himself in division 2!!!!! Are you for real?

Think he's trying to say that playing division 2 last year Ross hasn't proved himself as good enough for county standard boss. Hard to disagree because any wise man knows division 2 is a poor standard as is intermediate football.
Is Div 2 not Intermediate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on March 12, 2015, 12:16:03 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 12, 2015, 12:13:38 PM
Quote from: TooLongRef on March 11, 2015, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 11, 2015, 01:00:02 PM
You get more from making polite points than swearing but at least Our-Fella was making a valid case. Ross did well for a debut and for me never wasted possession which is more than can be said for a lot of our players. His only error was a missed point attempt but that was hardly a crime. He played a lot better than Jerome did when he came on (and I am a huge fan of Jerome). But what part of his performance was not up to standard?

As for the comment that he never proved himself in division 2!!!!! Are you for real?

Think he's trying to say that playing division 2 last year Ross hasn't proved himself as good enough for county standard boss. Hard to disagree because any wise man knows division 2 is a poor standard as is intermediate football.
Is Div 2 not Intermediate?

unless youre calling the ulster intermediate championship div2 then no it isnt
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 12, 2015, 05:31:47 PM
Where did big Grimley go?? He impressed me when he played minor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on March 12, 2015, 05:49:06 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on March 12, 2015, 10:07:25 AM
Down team tonight was
Mark Reid Bryansford
Aaron Mc Donald Bryansford
Aaron Beattie Newry bosco
Aidan Fulcher kilcoo
Anthony Doherty Downpatrick
Rory Burns Castlewellan
Ruairi Wells Bryansford
Conor Devlin Bryansford
Joe Mc Kinney daragh Cross
Martin Devlin kilcoo
Cathal Foy Burren
Aaron Magee Warrenpoint
Pat Havern saval
Rory Mason loughisland
Conal Gallagher Newry Bosco

Four of the seven in defence from Bryansford and another who doesn't play for his club senior team enough said!

Quote from: TooLongRef on March 12, 2015, 12:07:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 12, 2015, 11:55:34 AM
I wouldn't really pay much heed to the actual u21 competition run within the county.
Its a dud comp and played at a time of year when its hard for players to give a sh!te.
I was more thinking of the large % of players who play regular top tier football for their clubs or have shown pedigree at Ulster Colleges level beforehand.
Would have thought that the stronger/bigger clubs in Down would have decent 21s lining out for them regularly.

I think a lot of us in this county under estimate the talent coming through our underage. although we have not performed well at county standard this past while if we look at each club there are a number of quality young individuals who are all probably good enough to break into senior teams, but is it a case that some club senior managers are afraid to play a youngster over someone who has been around longer?

'ifyoure good enough youre old enough' ???

Seriously, if a lad hasn't made it onto his senior team at 21, then is there really much hope for him?  Many of the lads on the team last night I just would not know.  The management got the panel wrong in the first place leaving lads out and then when they went back to them (knowing they made a mistake) the lads told them where to go.  They must shoulder alot of the blame for not even getting the best panel together never mind the best team.  Dawson's horrors at county level continue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on March 12, 2015, 07:21:47 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on March 12, 2015, 11:28:33 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 12, 2015, 10:13:26 AM
Shocking low representation from South Down clubs in there.
Not often you see county side with little or nobody from Mayobridge, Clonduff, Rostrevor, Burren on it.
Maybe this is the way things are going. Is the talent all residing in East Down now?

A Final of 2014 was Warrenpoint v Burren
B Final of 2014 was Rostrevor v Carryduff

3 out of 4 finalists from South Down

And no one from Carryduff in the down team either

We do a really bad job of developing players from the north of down even though they are good at underage! I think it's because we think they will not stick at GAA, but if we don't pick them we are not helping them to stay playing football


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on March 12, 2015, 07:25:15 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 12, 2015, 05:31:47 PM
Where did big Grimley go?? He impressed me when he played minor.
Tom  is trying to transfer out of here to the continental array
of stars in St Galls which is a pity for us and Down
As for last night it would appear we were beaten by a half strength
Derry team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on March 12, 2015, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on March 12, 2015, 07:21:47 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on March 12, 2015, 11:28:33 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 12, 2015, 10:13:26 AM
Shocking low representation from South Down clubs in there.
Not often you see county side with little or nobody from Mayobridge, Clonduff, Rostrevor, Burren on it.
Maybe this is the way things are going. Is the talent all residing in East Down now?

A Final of 2014 was Warrenpoint v Burren
B Final of 2014 was Rostrevor v Carryduff

3 out of 4 finalists from South Down

And no one from Carryduff in the down team either

We do a really bad job of developing players from the north of down even though they are good at underage! I think it's because we think they will not stick at GAA, but if we don't pick them we are not helping them to stay playing football


We don't stick at it. Full stop. My previous post being the latest example.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on March 12, 2015, 08:34:34 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on March 12, 2015, 05:49:06 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on March 12, 2015, 10:07:25 AM
Down team tonight was
Mark Reid Bryansford
Aaron Mc Donald Bryansford
Aaron Beattie Newry bosco
Aidan Fulcher kilcoo
Anthony Doherty Downpatrick
Rory Burns Castlewellan
Ruairi Wells Bryansford
Conor Devlin Bryansford
Joe Mc Kinney daragh Cross
Martin Devlin kilcoo
Cathal Foy Burren
Aaron Magee Warrenpoint
Pat Havern saval
Rory Mason loughisland
Conal Gallagher Newry Bosco

Four of the seven in defence from Bryansford and another who doesn't play for his club senior team enough said!

Quote from: TooLongRef on March 12, 2015, 12:07:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 12, 2015, 11:55:34 AM
I wouldn't really pay much heed to the actual u21 competition run within the county.
Its a dud comp and played at a time of year when its hard for players to give a sh!te.
I was more thinking of the large % of players who play regular top tier football for their clubs or have shown pedigree at Ulster Colleges level beforehand.
Would have thought that the stronger/bigger clubs in Down would have decent 21s lining out for them regularly.

I think a lot of us in this county under estimate the talent coming through our underage. although we have not performed well at county standard this past while if we look at each club there are a number of quality young individuals who are all probably good enough to break into senior teams, but is it a case that some club senior managers are afraid to play a youngster over someone who has been around longer?

'ifyoure good enough youre old enough' ???

Seriously, if a lad hasn't made it onto his senior team at 21, then is there really much hope for him?  Many of the lads on the team last night I just would not know.  The management got the panel wrong in the first place leaving lads out and then when they went back to them (knowing they made a mistake) the lads told them where to go.  They must shoulder alot of the blame for not even getting the best panel together never mind the best team.  Dawson's horrors at county level continue.

A wee bit hard on the lad from Kilcoo. Their defence is quite hard to break into and playing regulary for the top four teams in the ACPRL is as good and if not better on some occassions as playing in the second division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on March 12, 2015, 08:55:23 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on March 12, 2015, 08:34:34 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on March 12, 2015, 05:49:06 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on March 12, 2015, 10:07:25 AM
Down team tonight was
Mark Reid Bryansford
Aaron Mc Donald Bryansford
Aaron Beattie Newry bosco
Aidan Fulcher kilcoo
Anthony Doherty Downpatrick
Rory Burns Castlewellan
Ruairi Wells Bryansford
Conor Devlin Bryansford
Joe Mc Kinney daragh Cross
Martin Devlin kilcoo
Cathal Foy Burren
Aaron Magee Warrenpoint
Pat Havern saval
Rory Mason loughisland
Conal Gallagher Newry Bosco

Four of the seven in defence from Bryansford and another who doesn't play for his club senior team enough said!

Quote from: TooLongRef on March 12, 2015, 12:07:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 12, 2015, 11:55:34 AM
I wouldn't really pay much heed to the actual u21 competition run within the county.
Its a dud comp and played at a time of year when its hard for players to give a sh!te.
I was more thinking of the large % of players who play regular top tier football for their clubs or have shown pedigree at Ulster Colleges level beforehand.
Would have thought that the stronger/bigger clubs in Down would have decent 21s lining out for them regularly.

I think a lot of us in this county under estimate the talent coming through our underage. although we have not performed well at county standard this past while if we look at each club there are a number of quality young individuals who are all probably good enough to break into senior teams, but is it a case that some club senior managers are afraid to play a youngster over someone who has been around longer?

'ifyoure good enough youre old enough' ???

Seriously, if a lad hasn't made it onto his senior team at 21, then is there really much hope for him?  Many of the lads on the team last night I just would not know.  The management got the panel wrong in the first place leaving lads out and then when they went back to them (knowing they made a mistake) the lads told them where to go.  They must shoulder alot of the blame for not even getting the best panel together never mind the best team.  Dawson's horrors at county level continue.

A wee bit hard on the lad from Kilcoo. Their defence is quite hard to break into and playing regulary for the top four teams in the ACPRL is as good and if not better on some occassions as playing in the second division.

Mc Corry was never slow about whipping men off if they weren't at the races in any game, that lad has never played any senior championship game for Kilcoo that I have ever been at.  It shows you how far he is off the pace and as a man who plays for his reserves is expected to produce the goods for a County team. Poor selection if you ask me.

The other point people have made about the number of East Down v South Down players.  Everyone knows that South Down have always dominated this competition, like many others,yet the management makes poor selection choices.  It just doesn't make sense.  This was a Derry team that were at least 8 short of their strongest line-up and we can't get close to them. Dawson may be magic at club level but at county his record speaks for itself,awful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 12, 2015, 09:10:22 PM
lads this has been going on for years. the whole set up from u21 to minors, to the development squads is a joke. how many of these players will ever grace a down senior jersey? we should be looking to bring in at least 2 or 3 u21s to the senior set up, no offence but i cant see many of these guys making it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on March 12, 2015, 09:24:12 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 12, 2015, 09:10:22 PM
lads this has been going on for years. the whole set up from u21 to minors, to the development squads is a joke. how many of these players will ever grace a down senior jersey? we should be looking to bring in at least 2 or 3 u21s to the senior set up, no offence but i cant see many of these guys making it.

I have never seen such a poor U.21 squad with absolutely no-one on the senior panel.  So much for progression and what will this mean for our senior squad in a few years if we cannot produce anyone good enough to be in both Senior and U.21 in the same year?  It is along time since we have been so poor and with even worse performances at minor level over the last year or two I can't see things getting any better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on March 12, 2015, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on March 12, 2015, 05:49:06 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on March 12, 2015, 10:07:25 AM
Down team tonight was
Mark Reid Bryansford
Aaron Mc Donald Bryansford
Aaron Beattie Newry bosco
Aidan Fulcher kilcoo
Anthony Doherty Downpatrick
Rory Burns Castlewellan
Ruairi Wells Bryansford
Conor Devlin Bryansford
Joe Mc Kinney daragh Cross
Martin Devlin kilcoo
Cathal Foy Burren
Aaron Magee Warrenpoint
Pat Havern saval
Rory Mason loughisland
Conal Gallagher Newry Bosco

Four of the seven in defence from Bryansford and another who doesn't play for his club senior team enough said!

Quote from: TooLongRef on March 12, 2015, 12:07:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 12, 2015, 11:55:34 AM
I wouldn't really pay much heed to the actual u21 competition run within the county.
Its a dud comp and played at a time of year when its hard for players to give a sh!te.
I was more thinking of the large % of players who play regular top tier football for their clubs or have shown pedigree at Ulster Colleges level beforehand.
Would have thought that the stronger/bigger clubs in Down would have decent 21s lining out for them regularly.

I think a lot of us in this county under estimate the talent coming through our underage. although we have not performed well at county standard this past while if we look at each club there are a number of quality young individuals who are all probably good enough to break into senior teams, but is it a case that some club senior managers are afraid to play a youngster over someone who has been around longer?

'ifyoure good enough youre old enough' ???

Seriously, if a lad hasn't made it onto his senior team at 21, then is there really much hope for him?  Many of the lads on the team last night I just would not know.  The management got the panel wrong in the first place leaving lads out and then when they went back to them (knowing they made a mistake) the lads told them where to go.  They must shoulder alot of the blame for not even getting the best panel together never mind the best team.  Dawson's horrors at county level continue.

Cory Quinn can't find a starting place in the mayobridge senior team at the minute and he's one of the hottest talents in the county.

Dawson tries to make it more about himself than about the players. Dropped the big names for 'not working hard enough'. Quinn was scoring for fun before he was dropped, apparently scored 1-7 in a challenge game 2 days before hand too, find it hard how Dawson could justify that no matter how hard the lad works, he's there to score.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 12, 2015, 11:27:10 PM
That's the probelm to much emphasis put on work,tracking back , this roaring and shouting pressure pressure yet managers seem to forget you have to score to win the game. These vests will show up who is not doing the work but will not tell you if a man has taken 3 steps one way to open up space for another man or how many points you scored. The game has gone to hell and people will soon start talking with their feet and not attending games. Who wants to go to watch borefests week after week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 13, 2015, 08:53:54 AM
Down team to face Westmeath
S Kane
G Collins
L Howard
D Turley
P Devlin
B Mc Ardle
C Maginn
P Turley
R Mallon
C Mc Govern
K Mc Kernan
M Poland
C Laverty
A Mc Conville
D O Hare
A Few changes this week also no one can say Jim isn't trying out lads in different positions. Glad to see Mallon back big strong mobile player and fair play to Arthur getting his start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outback on March 13, 2015, 09:31:40 AM
Quote from: TooLongRef on March 12, 2015, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on March 12, 2015, 05:49:06 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on March 12, 2015, 10:07:25 AM
Down team tonight was
Mark Reid Bryansford
Aaron Mc Donald Bryansford
Aaron Beattie Newry bosco
Aidan Fulcher kilcoo
Anthony Doherty Downpatrick
Rory Burns Castlewellan
Ruairi Wells Bryansford
Conor Devlin Bryansford
Joe Mc Kinney daragh Cross
Martin Devlin kilcoo
Cathal Foy Burren
Aaron Magee Warrenpoint
Pat Havern saval
Rory Mason loughisland
Conal Gallagher Newry Bosco

Four of the seven in defence from Bryansford and another who doesn't play for his club senior team enough said!

Quote from: TooLongRef on March 12, 2015, 12:07:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 12, 2015, 11:55:34 AM
I wouldn't really pay much heed to the actual u21 competition run within the county.
Its a dud comp and played at a time of year when its hard for players to give a sh!te.
I was more thinking of the large % of players who play regular top tier football for their clubs or have shown pedigree at Ulster Colleges level beforehand.
Would have thought that the stronger/bigger clubs in Down would have decent 21s lining out for them regularly.

I think a lot of us in this county under estimate the talent coming through our underage. although we have not performed well at county standard this past while if we look at each club there are a number of quality young individuals who are all probably good enough to break into senior teams, but is it a case that some club senior managers are afraid to play a youngster over someone who has been around longer?

'ifyoure good enough youre old enough' ???

Seriously, if a lad hasn't made it onto his senior team at 21, then is there really much hope for him?  Many of the lads on the team last night I just would not know.  The management got the panel wrong in the first place leaving lads out and then when they went back to them (knowing they made a mistake) the lads told them where to go.  They must shoulder alot of the blame for not even getting the best panel together never mind the best team.  Dawson's horrors at county level continue.

Cory Quinn can't find a starting place in the mayobridge senior team at the minute and he's one of the hottest talents in the county.

Dawson tries to make it more about himself than about the players. Dropped the big names for 'not working hard enough'. Quinn was scoring for fun before he was dropped, apparently scored 1-7 in a challenge game 2 days before hand too, find it hard how Dawson could justify that no matter how hard the lad works, he's there to score.
. 
Yes he would have been an addition to Wed night's flop but the young lad
has disciplinary issues. Sorting that out and then looking at his work rate and
obvious scoring threat will come.
   Wednesday night is just another episode of our ineptitude. Either McCorry took
the U21's or not. But once he said he wasn't taking them,the County Board should have made the U21
Management appointments.
The stuff about too many Byransford players is just wrong. All good young players but the problem was Dawson,he did a good enough job for Burren but he ruled by being a bully and the County Board knew that.
     We'll move onto Cusack  Park and hopefully our Seniors will  get promoted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on March 13, 2015, 10:17:39 AM
Why has our u21 teams performed so badly in recent times.
In 2008 - 2009 we won two Ulster championships on the trot - our record since then is very poor.

2010 beat by Cavan in first game
2011 beat by Tyrone in first game (2 replays but still no victory)
2012 Beat Antrim then beat by Tyrone in Semi final
2013 Beat Armagh then beat by Cavan in Semi Final
2014 beat by Monaghan in first round
2015 beat by Derry in first round.

Son in the last 6 championship campaigns - we have won 2 games and got beaten in the round straight after that.

I thought at start of the season that the u21 management was as strong as is out there as noone can deny Dawson is a top man at club level.  But then i read this and seen some of the players not playing, not on the panel and then phoning them to come in and them saying no - that speaks volumes to me.

Where to now????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 13, 2015, 01:17:36 PM
It's difficult to argue with the team McCorry has picked for Sunday, and the way in which he is ensuring that a range of players get starting places while maintaining strong line-ups is very impressive.

Collins and Mallon fully deserve their chances, as does McConville, although there may be a suspicion that he is still most effective as an impact sub. Garvey, if he is fit, is unlucky to lose out and Carr will be expecting to make the cut before long, but we have a pretty decent bench to call on as well.

Mullingar is never an easy place to go, but we are in reasonable shape and there is a fair chance that three points from our last three games will get us promoted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 13, 2015, 01:29:21 PM
I would argue a little with the team selection. We have two half backs who are actually half forwards in Devlin and Maginn. This despite the fact that in every game our half back line has been easily penetrated.

Also I would rather see McConville a bit closer to the midfield where his height and fielding could be made use of to help solve our midfield weaknesses
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 13, 2015, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 13, 2015, 01:17:36 PM
It's difficult to argue with the team McCorry has picked for Sunday, and the way in which he is ensuring that a range of players get starting places while maintaining strong line-ups is very impressive.

Collins and Mallon fully deserve their chances, as does McConville, although there may be a suspicion that he is still most effective as an impact sub. Garvey, if he is fit, is unlucky to lose out and Carr will be expecting to make the cut before long, but we have a pretty decent bench to call on as well.

Mullingar is never an easy place to go, but we are in reasonable shape and there is a fair chance that three points from our last three games will get us promoted.


Have to agree with this. I have never seen a Down team as fit at this stage of the year. Kildare, Galway and Cavan couldn't stay with them in the last 10 in each of those games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 13, 2015, 03:48:23 PM
PaulD, Devlin has been named at half back for our last three games but has spent most of his time at half forward. Maginn can play in either line, and McGovern and McKernan are likely to drop back into our half, so there should be plenty of cover available. Our defence certainly did struggle for long periods against Galway, and O'Hanlon and Boyle have found themselves left out as a result. We are very much a work in progress, but very few Down fans would have expected us to take six points from our first eight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 13, 2015, 05:22:25 PM
2015 Championship draws
SFC
Clonduff v Bryansford
Saval v Mayobridge
Ballyholland v Warrenpoint
Clann na Banna v Castlewellan
Glenn v Longstone
Burren v Kilcoo
Rostrevor v Downpatrick
Annaclone v Liatriom

IFC
Dromara v Bredagh
Darragh Cross v Kilclief
Carryduff v Ballymartin
St John Bosco v Loughinisland
Newry Shamrocks v Drumaness
Tullylish v An Riocht
St Johns v Atticall
Saul v Drumgath

JFC
Gruup A
Game 1    Teconnaught v Killyleagh
Game 2   Winner game I v Bright
Game 3   Loser game 1 v Bright

Group B
Game 1   Aughlisnafin v Mitchels
Game 2   Winner game 1 v Ballykinler
Game 3   Loser game 1 v Ballykinlar

Group C
Game 1    St Pauls v Aghaderg
Game 2   Winner game 1 v Ardglass
Game 3    Loser game 1 v Ardglass

Group D
Game 1    Glasdrumman v Dundrum
Game 2   Winner game 1 v St Michaels
Game 3   Loser game 1 v St Michaels

Top 2 teams from each group quality for Quarter Finals
If teams draw in game 1 – toss coin to see which team plays in Game 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 13, 2015, 06:27:48 PM
Is it back to the back door system in the senior championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 13, 2015, 06:32:38 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 13, 2015, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 13, 2015, 01:17:36 PM
It's difficult to argue with the team McCorry has picked for Sunday, and the way in which he is ensuring that a range of players get starting places while maintaining strong line-ups is very impressive.

Collins and Mallon fully deserve their chances, as does McConville, although there may be a suspicion that he is still most effective as an impact sub. Garvey, if he is fit, is unlucky to lose out and Carr will be expecting to make the cut before long, but we have a pretty decent bench to call on as well.

Mullingar is never an easy place to go, but we are in reasonable shape and there is a fair chance that three points from our last three games will get us promoted.


Have to agree with this. I have never seen a Down team as fit at this stage of the year. Kildare, Galway and Cavan couldn't stay with them in the last 10 in each of those games.

Agree with this but will this be the case later in the year when the rest of the teams are just as fit as us? I remember Ross had us flying fit at the start of one year and we won the McKenna Cup but that was the height of the year.

6 points is a great total to date but nobody can tell me we are playing well, developing a pattern of play or getting anywhere near a settled team.  Luck and team spirit have been major players in getting that 6 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 13, 2015, 06:41:53 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 13, 2015, 03:48:23 PM
PaulD, Devlin has been named at half back for our last three games but has spent most of his time at half forward. Maginn can play in either line, and McGovern and McKernan are likely to drop back into our half, so there should be plenty of cover available. Our defence certainly did struggle for long periods against Galway, and O'Hanlon and Boyle have found themselves left out as a result. We are very much a work in progress, but very few Down fans would have expected us to take six points from our first eight.

Very happy with Goalkeeper, happy enough with full back line, issues with half back line, very happy with midfield, happy enough with half and full forward line.

I fear our full back line is due a cleaning one of these days but it is probably as good as we can put out at the minute.

I get Jim wants to attack from the half back line but as Paul has said we are getting cut open by playing forwards in the defence.  Is Benny MCardle actually fit, didnt look like it last week. 

Half forward line looks a bit more balanced and glad to see Conal McGovern in a more recognised position if he plays there.  Is Ryan Johnston injured?

Ross McGarry can count himself unlucky but can understand tha Arthur is due a start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 13, 2015, 06:52:45 PM
WGM, the year we won the McKenna Cup under Ross was 2008. That summer, we went on to memorably beat Tyrone in the USC, won back to back qualifiers for the first time since the introduction of the back door, and played a championship match at Croke Park for the first time in 14 years. Apart from 2010, when we also got off to a good start in the league, it was our best season in the last two decades.

We clearly do not wish to peak too soon, but our problem in other seasons was that we did not peak at all. McCorry has his squad in good shape and the trick will be to keep his key players fresh and injury-free when the championship comes round.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 13, 2015, 07:01:10 PM
Under wee James we reached the division 2 final as well the division 1 final as well as reaching an all Ireland quarter final and well as the last 12 twice. I'd say all of James years apart from his last were better than anything produced by Ross.

I also think we should be aiming for better than one off performances against the better teams and wining two games in the back door!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 13, 2015, 07:05:11 PM
I might be wrong on this one but was James championship record not:

2010 all Ireland Final bt by Cork
2011 last 12 bt by cork
2012 quarter final beat by Mayo
2013 last 12 bt by ? (ulster final as well)
2014 qualifiers bt by Kildare
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on March 13, 2015, 07:38:01 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 13, 2015, 07:01:10 PM
Under wee James we reached the division 2 final as well the division 1 final as well as reaching an all Ireland quarter final and well as the last 12 twice. I'd say all of James years apart from his last were better than anything produced by Ross.

I also think we should be aiming for better than one off performances against the better teams and wining two games in the back door!!
When did we get to a Div 1 Final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 13, 2015, 07:43:08 PM
Sorry meant div 1 semi, u are correct
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on March 13, 2015, 09:19:43 PM
2013 we beat Derry in Ulster, lost narrowly to Donegal in the semi final and were then required to go back to Celtic Park and put out by Derry in our first qualifier game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 13, 2015, 09:25:50 PM
Thanks, it was the year before that they got to the ulster final then.  James last two years went a bit flat alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 13, 2015, 09:59:50 PM
You may be missing the point a little here, WGM. You suggested that our campaign in 2008 tailed off after the McKenna Cup, but it actually turned into our best season for some 14 years. When James succeeded Ross, he took us to another level without any doubt. It is a bit harsh to say that his last two terms were flat, as in 2013 we had a fine championship win in our first trip to Derry and we really should have beaten the defending AI champions, Donegal in the next round. In 2014, only a missed 20m free from practically in front of the posts prevented us beating Tyrone in Omagh although it is fair to say that events went downhill from there. McCorry has pretty clearly given us fresh energy, and, while most Down fans would agree that we enjoyed some overdue good fortune against Kildare, Cavan and Galway, it is also the case that we finished all three games with the kind of momentum
which indicates a confident squad. It is what we do in the latter stages of the league, followed by our next visit to Derry, which will define our season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on March 14, 2015, 10:05:07 PM
Heard last night that Benny Coulter has joined the minor management set up??  This would be a great addition indeed.  Can anyone confirm or deny??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on March 14, 2015, 10:32:43 PM
Quote from: TooLongRef on March 12, 2015, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on March 12, 2015, 05:49:06 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on March 12, 2015, 10:07:25 AM
Down team tonight was
Mark Reid Bryansford
Aaron Mc Donald Bryansford
Aaron Beattie Newry bosco
Aidan Fulcher kilcoo
Anthony Doherty Downpatrick
Rory Burns Castlewellan
Ruairi Wells Bryansford
Conor Devlin Bryansford
Joe Mc Kinney daragh Cross
Martin Devlin kilcoo
Cathal Foy Burren
Aaron Magee Warrenpoint
Pat Havern saval
Rory Mason loughisland
Conal Gallagher Newry Bosco

Four of the seven in defence from Bryansford and another who doesn't play for his club senior team enough said!

Quote from: TooLongRef on March 12, 2015, 12:07:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 12, 2015, 11:55:34 AM
I wouldn't really pay much heed to the actual u21 competition run within the county.
Its a dud comp and played at a time of year when its hard for players to give a sh!te.
I was more thinking of the large % of players who play regular top tier football for their clubs or have shown pedigree at Ulster Colleges level beforehand.
Would have thought that the stronger/bigger clubs in Down would have decent 21s lining out for them regularly.

I think a lot of us in this county under estimate the talent coming through our underage. although we have not performed well at county standard this past while if we look at each club there are a number of quality young individuals who are all probably good enough to break into senior teams, but is it a case that some club senior managers are afraid to play a youngster over someone who has been around longer?

'ifyoure good enough youre old enough' ???

Seriously, if a lad hasn't made it onto his senior team at 21, then is there really much hope for him?  Many of the lads on the team last night I just would not know.  The management got the panel wrong in the first place leaving lads out and then when they went back to them (knowing they made a mistake) the lads told them where to go.  They must shoulder alot of the blame for not even getting the best panel together never mind the best team.  Dawson's horrors at county level continue.

Cory Quinn can't find a starting place in the mayobridge senior team at the minute and he's one of the hottest talents in the county.

Dawson tries to make it more about himself than about the players. Dropped the big names for 'not working hard enough'. Quinn was scoring for fun before he was dropped, apparently scored 1-7 in a challenge game 2 days before hand too, find it hard how Dawson could justify that no matter how hard the lad works, he's there to score.
Who are the other big names he dropped?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 15, 2015, 08:06:10 PM
brilliant win and performance by down today. was expecting a much tougher game but we were well on top all over the field. looking good for promotion and a trip to croke park for the divisional final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 15, 2015, 08:58:44 PM
We may have had a bit of luck in our three wins before today but there was a swagger about this commanding performance in Mullingar. Westmeath were unlucky to lose their towering midfielder in the first minute but we tore in to them like men possessed. Mc Corry was right on the radio when he said it would be difficult to pick a MoM as we had 8/10s from 1 to 15 as well as the subs. Stevie Kane did not waste one kick out and is cool as f**k on the line. Collins has a good bit of cut, Howard has a commanding presence and D Turley is our player of the year to date. Devlin had another good game, Ryan Mallon was a leader in his first start and his run up the line in the second half led to our first goal- he took them all on. O'Hanlon mixed the excellent ( including a super point) with the average. Mc Kernan was different class again although the black card was a bit of a waste and one more could see him miss Croke Park( if we make it) or Celtic Park. Pete Turley is the complete midfielder at the moment and one hit in front of the stand gave Westmeath a clear message that he was one mean hombre.
Poly is gradually coming back to his top form and hit some great scores while Arthur is the new Ambrose senior- a crowd favourite. Conor Maginn was just about MoM- he really covers every blade and slashes defences at his leisure and Conall Mc Govern is a quality defender. Donal O'Hare put in another huge shift and banged in his usual 1-4 while the Commander in Chief read the game like a book , and he knows every page off by heart, thinking two passes ahead of everyone else. All the subs did well with Aidan Carr in particular showing good form.
Again the team finished strong so fair play to John Morgan who has got on with it quietly and deserves great credit; you get the sense that the team are united, focussed and happy so the backroom is playing it's part.
Mc Corry is calm, inspires loyalty from men he trusts and makes good calls.
I would still like to see Marty Clarke and Big Dan in there and Madine will also give him plenty of calls to make- we had Darren O'Hagan and Conor Garvey on the bench so there is a fairly strong squad
So we're safe and should go up which was the first base. Derry are not going well but we know Mc Iver will have them ready in June and has the Slaughtneil lads to come in so it will be a big test. But at this stage we bend the knee to no-one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 15, 2015, 09:29:04 PM
The health warning is that Westmeath were very limited on the day, but we can only beat the opposition in front of us and we are starting to look like a side which is full of confidence and going places. McCorry again got his selection and tactics spot on, and, to the posters on this board who have suggested that he has enjoyed his share of good fortune, he would be entitled to say that the harder we work the luckier we get.

Kane had another excellent afternoon, making one point blank save but more importantly organising his defence and consistently finding a colleague with his kick-outs. Collins, making his first start, was as impressive as Howard alongside him, but the star of the full back line was Dee Turley. He has steadily improved this season and was completely dominant today.

Mallon was first to every ball at centre half and his run from his own half when he left two Westmeath men for dead and set up our first goal was one of the highlights of the match. McGovern is a no-frills operator who does all the simple things well, while Maginn, dropping back to an unfamiliar wing half position, was outstanding. He is cool and calculating in possession and his burst of pace while running from deep left him almost unmarkable and just about our man of the match.

Turley pushed him very hard with an amazing display of ball-winning and fair but ferocious tackling at midfield, with his partner McKernan also in top class form. His late black card, his second of the campaign, was the only blemish, as it was needless and a third will presumably bring a one-match suspension.

Poland had an unusual day, as his handling was erratic by his standards but he still scored three fine points from play, while Devlin worked hard without fully imposing himself on the proceedings. However, O'Hanlon found unlimited space, hit a series of  cross-field passes and put in his best ever display at this level.

O'Hare showed well from start to finish and ended up with his normal 1-4, while McConville was only just behind him with 1-2 and might even have taken a hat-trick. Laverty ran the show again, and his leadership qualities were immense.

All the subs did themselves no harm, and there must be a fair chance that Carr will make the first 15 against Meath. A draw in that fixture, depending on results elsewhere, may well guarantee promotion and a day out at Croke Park, which not too many were predicting last month.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 16, 2015, 01:47:50 PM
I'd agree with all of what MR and DD say but I was more disappointed than both at the number of times Poland was dispossessed or gave a stray ball away.

I'm also far from convinced with Mooney and contrary to MR I think he was the one sub who didn't do his cause any good. When he roared in against Kildare I thought he would be something special for us this year but in every match since I'm less and less pleased.

I watched him in the warm up when the squad were sprinting from the 21 to the end line and back and - on every occasion - he was last.  I thought maybe he was still carrying a niggle and not wanting to go full pelt but if was fit enough to come on as a sub he was fit enough to keep up with the sprints. When he did come on some of the sliced kick passes and hoofs high up in the air were frightening.

Maybe its Monday and I'm being too negative but if I have to put him back on the boat, I will  ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 16, 2015, 02:30:26 PM
Aristo, Mooney has just turned 21 and has spent the last three seasons in Australia with Collingwood, It is hardly a surprise that he is taking a while to remind himself of the basics of Gaelic football, but, after coming off the bench against Kildare, he scored a wonder goal from nothing and helped to create another one in injury time. He took an amazing early catch against Roscommon before tweaking his hamstring, which obviously needs a little recovery time, but he also hit a very impressive point as a sub in a crucial stage of the Galway game. It is fair to say that his involvement yesterday was limited, but the contest was long over when he appeared. While we do not know if he will make a championship footballer, he is likely to improve steadily if he learns from McCorry and Laverty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 16, 2015, 03:11:44 PM
Like you, saw all that but still unconvinced.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 16, 2015, 03:15:35 PM
Warm ups don't win matches. Mooney is one of the fastest sprinters in the Down squad. He has been training as a professional athlete for three years. I don't think some sluggish warm up performances indicate his natural speed.

However as someone said before, he is no Marty Clarke, in that he is not all-action and very involved. Mooney's game is more about popping up and doing something quick and effective and then may not be involved for a while. He has made telling contributions in each of his first three NFL games but would need to get more involved in recycling ball and tackling.

I am certainly convinced about his ability but perhaps approach needs some influencing by Jim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 16, 2015, 03:53:22 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 16, 2015, 03:15:35 PM
Warm ups don't win matches. Mooney is one of the fastest sprinters in the Down squad. He has been training as a professional athlete for three years. I don't think some sluggish warm up performances indicate his natural speed.

However as someone said before, he is no Marty Clarke, in that he is not all-action and very involved. Mooney's game is more about popping up and doing something quick and effective and then may not be involved for a while. He has made telling contributions in each of his first three NFL games but would need to get more involved in recycling ball and tackling.

I am certainly convinced about his ability but perhaps approach needs some influencing by Jim



Correct - what it does say is that his head doesn't look to be fully in it at the minute
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on March 16, 2015, 05:07:52 PM
He runs like a player with a dodgey hammy, which he has!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 17, 2015, 11:00:19 AM
Mooneys pace is electric - he would be the fastest in the Down squad by some distance. He broke the sprint record at Collingwood, a professional sports club. A warm up tells a man in the stand nothing.

He has recovered from the hamstring injury and it is up to Jim how to implement him in the national league. He never was the most skillfull player, but he can carry a ball, shoot, and bring others into play. Give him time and I have no doubt he will prove any doubters wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 17, 2015, 04:11:43 PM
The lad has come back home after a couple of years away and the fanfare is ridiculous to be fair.
He has yet to prove himself at senior intercounty level and is no different that any other unproven talent at that age/grade. Talent? Yes. Proven? Absolutely not.
Personally speaking i think he has wintered a little too well since coming home and taking up the student life. Additional timber wont help his pace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 17, 2015, 04:25:03 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 17, 2015, 04:11:43 PM
The lad has come back home after a couple of years away and the fanfare is ridiculous to be fair.
He has yet to prove himself at senior intercounty level and is no different that any other unproven talent at that age/grade. Talent? Yes. Proven? Absolutely not.
Personally speaking i think he has wintered a little too well since coming home and taking up the student life. Additional timber wont help his pace.

+1

Finally, we are having both sides of the argument.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 17, 2015, 06:52:23 PM
Very harsh on Mooney here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 17, 2015, 10:33:21 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 17, 2015, 04:11:43 PM
The lad has come back home after a couple of years away and the fanfare is ridiculous to be fair.
He has yet to prove himself at senior intercounty level and is no different that any other unproven talent at that age/grade. Talent? Yes. Proven? Absolutely not.
Personally speaking i think he has wintered a little too well since coming home and taking up the student life. Additional timber wont help his pace.

He lives at home and is training nearly every night of the week - hardly the typical student life.

No one is saying he is proven at IC level, but should not be written off at this stage either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 18, 2015, 08:37:06 AM
Not tryin to write anyone off to be fair.
A full season of senior club football would benefit him id think.
Lets hope he and a few others get the chance to play regular games for their clubs whilst fulfilling county duties.

I didn't mean it to get personal at all but sometimes after reading comments upon comments about the potential of some of our players it becomes irksome.
Walk into any pub in Ireland on a weekend and you will find a handful of fellas who were 'legends' in their day, might have a few underage or minor championship medals, maybe an All Ireland Minor or Hogan medal and were maybe touted as the next big thing in their club/county. Potential is only that and no more and talent will only take a player so far. No point having all the talent in the world unless you have the character and attitude to go with it. I just don't believe in jumping feet first in to exclaim how wonderful a player may be until he is doing it at the top of his level against the best. And for me, a lot of players in our county have been ridiculously lauded down through the years when they really haven't proven themselves against the best.

Sometimes a measure of reason and perspective wouldn't go amiss.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on March 18, 2015, 01:10:46 PM
Absolutely right Brick. Reason must work both ways though so give Mooney a bit of time before we judge him.  From what I recall he was never a player who would be prominent throughout a game but you would look at the scorers at the end of a game and he could have 4 points from play, or 1-2 from play or something similar. Hopefully he can build on that to become a more prominent player.  What I do know is that since he came back from Oz he has thrown himself back into it, with firstly, Rostrevor U21's, then Jordanstown, and now Down.  He certainly hasnt been resting on his laurels.  Himself and Marty coming home were the start of the good news. McCorry becoming manager was another, and now the start we have had to 2015 has built on that.  We now have a foundation of a new team after only 4 months, effectively without Marty or Caolan, so if they can add another dimension to the team over the next year or so then things are certainly looking up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on March 18, 2015, 02:47:45 PM
Quote from: elk on March 14, 2015, 10:32:43 PM
Quote from: TooLongRef on March 12, 2015, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on March 12, 2015, 05:49:06 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on March 12, 2015, 10:07:25 AM
Down team tonight was
Mark Reid Bryansford
Aaron Mc Donald Bryansford
Aaron Beattie Newry bosco
Aidan Fulcher kilcoo
Anthony Doherty Downpatrick
Rory Burns Castlewellan
Ruairi Wells Bryansford
Conor Devlin Bryansford
Joe Mc Kinney daragh Cross
Martin Devlin kilcoo
Cathal Foy Burren
Aaron Magee Warrenpoint
Pat Havern saval
Rory Mason loughisland
Conal Gallagher Newry Bosco

Four of the seven in defence from Bryansford and another who doesn't play for his club senior team enough said!

Quote from: TooLongRef on March 12, 2015, 12:07:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 12, 2015, 11:55:34 AM
I wouldn't really pay much heed to the actual u21 competition run within the county.
Its a dud comp and played at a time of year when its hard for players to give a sh!te.
I was more thinking of the large % of players who play regular top tier football for their clubs or have shown pedigree at Ulster Colleges level beforehand.
Would have thought that the stronger/bigger clubs in Down would have decent 21s lining out for them regularly.

I think a lot of us in this county under estimate the talent coming through our underage. although we have not performed well at county standard this past while if we look at each club there are a number of quality young individuals who are all probably good enough to break into senior teams, but is it a case that some club senior managers are afraid to play a youngster over someone who has been around longer?

'ifyoure good enough youre old enough' ???

Seriously, if a lad hasn't made it onto his senior team at 21, then is there really much hope for him?  Many of the lads on the team last night I just would not know.  The management got the panel wrong in the first place leaving lads out and then when they went back to them (knowing they made a mistake) the lads told them where to go.  They must shoulder alot of the blame for not even getting the best panel together never mind the best team.  Dawson's horrors at county level continue.

Cory Quinn can't find a starting place in the mayobridge senior team at the minute and he's one of the hottest talents in the county.

Dawson tries to make it more about himself than about the players. Dropped the big names for 'not working hard enough'. Quinn was scoring for fun before he was dropped, apparently scored 1-7 in a challenge game 2 days before hand too, find it hard how Dawson could justify that no matter how hard the lad works, he's there to score.
Who are the other big names he dropped?


Doyle - Rostrevor
Mcaleenan - warrenpoint
McGonigle - Carryduff

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 18, 2015, 05:32:00 PM
I don't think Donagh McAleenan was dropped. I think he has an injury. However O'Hare from Warrenpoint certainly was overlooked despite fantastic club performances for senior and under 21's. Also I think Sean Gallagher would be the correct age but was not selected.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on March 18, 2015, 07:12:25 PM
I heard that donagh McAleenan had broke his thumb and was recovering however I'm pretty sure the others are correct. Managers decisions can win or lose games but frank is mainly there to assist Jim. Many very quick to tear into him here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on March 19, 2015, 12:08:49 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 18, 2015, 05:32:00 PM
I don't think Donagh McAleenan was dropped. I think he has an injury. However O'Hare from Warrenpoint certainly was overlooked despite fantastic club performances for senior and under 21's. Also I think Sean Gallagher would be the correct age but was not selected.

Having watched Warrenpoint  a few times last season cormac mc cartan and ryan magee could have made the squad as well as O'Hare. Haven,t seen much of Gallagher playing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 19, 2015, 08:39:27 AM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on March 18, 2015, 07:12:25 PM
I heard that donagh McAleenan had broke his thumb and was recovering however I'm pretty sure the others are correct. Managers decisions can win or lose games but frank is mainly there to assist Jim. Many very quick to tear into him here

Frank probably made sub-optimal decisions regarding the squad and the team selection. But I wouldn't give him all the blame. The system is terrible. The lads are brought together when they are at their least fit, given about a month to train and then perhaps their whole season lasts only one match. The team may well have developed over 3-4 matches and a couple of months. You can't expect 15 players to meet up and suddenly be a cohesive unit.

The U21 championship should be a weekly round robin running for 8 weeks with the team at the top being champions. Then we get to see the value of each team and the value of coaching. Or perhaps two groups playing home & away matches, with the group winners playing a final. At least that would be of a benefit to the  players, the coaches and the fans. The current format disposes with players far too fast. Not good for the sport.

Another benefit of the above system is that it would provide a testing ground for potential modification to the Ulster senior championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on March 19, 2015, 10:24:00 AM
Anyone know what's happening with minor & u16 leagues. Is there just one all county league at each grade with the divisional boards running their own leagues for everyone else. I thought we had moved away from this nonsense. If we want Down to be as one play as one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 19, 2015, 05:53:32 PM
PaulD - that's just not feasible, as to get off the ground running, any manager worth his salt would want two month's training ahead of round 1. Which, if we need u21s to be largely wrapped up before the club season would mean starting matches in the last week of January, training at the end of November, and trials for a month before that. No thanks. And that's before you bring in county senior and Sigerson commitments on that same timeline.

Best thing we could with under-21 football is turn it into an old style weekend tournament and guarantee everyone three games. Yes it would be attritional, but it would condense it in the schedule.


Raven, the logistics of taking a team from the Mournes to Belfast (or vice versa) on a weekday evening is difficult. The top grade sides can do it because they have the player numbers. Smaller teams just can't afford to lose a handful of players due to travel commitments, and it's natural in any club that once a few lads can't commit, a few more throw in the towel. We should be encouraging these lads to play and enjoy their football, and not make them drive an hour to face a beating, or to scramble through their phone books to field a team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on March 19, 2015, 11:36:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 19, 2015, 05:53:32 PM
PaulD - that's just not feasible, as to get off the ground running, any manager worth his salt would want two month's training ahead of round 1. Which, if we need u21s to be largely wrapped up before the club season would mean starting matches in the last week of January, training at the end of November, and trials for a month before that. No thanks. And that's before you bring in county senior and Sigerson commitments on that same timeline.

Best thing we could with under-21 football is turn it into an old style weekend tournament and guarantee everyone three games. Yes it would be attritional, but it would condense it in the schedule.


Raven, the logistics of taking a team from the Mournes to Belfast (or vice versa) on a weekday evening is difficult. The top grade sides can do it because they have the player numbers. Smaller teams just can't afford to lose a handful of players due to travel commitments, and it's natural in any club that once a few lads can't commit, a few more throw in the towel. We should be encouraging these lads to play and enjoy their football, and not make them drive an hour to face a beating, or to scramble through their phone books to field a team.

Fair point wobbler, but as 2 of the 3 "Belfast"clubs are in the all county league the only surely having to travel to Holywood once a season wouldn't be that much of an imposition. I'm sure mourne teams would much rather travel to Loughisland or Drumaness than Banbridge or Tullylish.
At least the South Down fixtures are out, I would be surprised if the East Down fixtures have even been drawn up, maybe someone can prove me wrong.
I'm not and never have been a fan of divisional boards,I would much rather see similar strength clubs from wherever in the county playing in all county leagues rather than 2 skewed one sided leagues. Think of this as a player would you rather have an all county division 2 winners medal  at Minor or U16 than a South Down or  East Down medal. I know which I would want
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 19, 2015, 11:45:53 PM
Quote from: The Raven on March 19, 2015, 11:36:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 19, 2015, 05:53:32 PM
PaulD - that's just not feasible, as to get off the ground running, any manager worth his salt would want two month's training ahead of round 1. Which, if we need u21s to be largely wrapped up before the club season would mean starting matches in the last week of January, training at the end of November, and trials for a month before that. No thanks. And that's before you bring in county senior and Sigerson commitments on that same timeline.

Best thing we could with under-21 football is turn it into an old style weekend tournament and guarantee everyone three games. Yes it would be attritional, but it would condense it in the schedule.


Raven, the logistics of taking a team from the Mournes to Belfast (or vice versa) on a weekday evening is difficult. The top grade sides can do it because they have the player numbers. Smaller teams just can't afford to lose a handful of players due to travel commitments, and it's natural in any club that once a few lads can't commit, a few more throw in the towel. We should be encouraging these lads to play and enjoy their football, and not make them drive an hour to face a beating, or to scramble through their phone books to field a team.

Fair point wobbler, but as 2 of the 3 "Belfast"clubs are in the all county league the only surely having to travel to Holywood once a season wouldn't be that much of an imposition. I'm sure mourne teams would much rather travel to Loughisland or Drumaness than Banbridge or Tullylish.
At least the South Down fixtures are out, I would be surprised if the East Down fixtures have even been drawn up, maybe someone can prove me wrong.
I'm not and never have been a fan of divisional boards,I would much rather see similar strength clubs from wherever in the county playing in all county leagues rather than 2 skewed one sided leagues. Think of this as a player would you rather have an all county division 2 winners medal  at Minor or U16 than a South Down or  East Down medal. I know which I would want

What about travelling from holywood?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on March 20, 2015, 12:34:58 AM
Would prefer to see one central authority running our county's competitions instead of two divisional boards plus our main CCC which is currently the case. The past couple of years when the 16's and Minors ran at all county level it was refreshing and also increased the scope for our competitions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on March 20, 2015, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on March 20, 2015, 12:34:58 AM
Would prefer to see one central authority running our county's competitions instead of two divisional boards plus our main CCC which is currently the case. The past couple of years when the 16's and Minors ran at all county level it was refreshing and also increased the scope for our competitions.

100% agree
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on March 20, 2015, 08:59:15 AM
Quote from: passedit on March 19, 2015, 11:45:53 PM
Quote from: The Raven on March 19, 2015, 11:36:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 19, 2015, 05:53:32 PM
PaulD - that's just not feasible, as to get off the ground running, any manager worth his salt would want two month's training ahead of round 1. Which, if we need u21s to be largely wrapped up before the club season would mean starting matches in the last week of January, training at the end of November, and trials for a month before that. No thanks. And that's before you bring in county senior and Sigerson commitments on that same timeline.

Best thing we could with under-21 football is turn it into an old style weekend tournament and guarantee everyone three games. Yes it would be attritional, but it would condense it in the schedule.


Raven, the logistics of taking a team from the Mournes to Belfast (or vice versa) on a weekday evening is difficult. The top grade sides can do it because they have the player numbers. Smaller teams just can't afford to lose a handful of players due to travel commitments, and it's natural in any club that once a few lads can't commit, a few more throw in the towel. We should be encouraging these lads to play and enjoy their football, and not make them drive an hour to face a beating, or to scramble through their phone books to field a team.

Fair point wobbler, but as 2 of the 3 "Belfast"clubs are in the all county league the only surely having to travel to Holywood once a season wouldn't be that much of an imposition. I'm sure mourne teams would much rather travel to Loughisland or Drumaness than Banbridge or Tullylish.
At least the South Down fixtures are out, I would be surprised if the East Down fixtures have even been drawn up, maybe someone can prove me wrong.
I'm not and never have been a fan of divisional boards,I would much rather see similar strength clubs from wherever in the county playing in all county leagues rather than 2 skewed one sided leagues. Think of this as a player would you rather have an all county division 2 winners medal  at Minor or U16 than a South Down or  East Down medal. I know which I would want

What about travelling from holywood?
That would depend on how much we have on in terms of other activities. Any excuse and St Paul's don't travel or we travel weak.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 20, 2015, 01:50:09 PM
Quote from: imagine on March 20, 2015, 08:59:15 AM
Quote from: passedit on March 19, 2015, 11:45:53 PM
Quote from: The Raven on March 19, 2015, 11:36:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 19, 2015, 05:53:32 PM
PaulD - that's just not feasible, as to get off the ground running, any manager worth his salt would want two month's training ahead of round 1. Which, if we need u21s to be largely wrapped up before the club season would mean starting matches in the last week of January, training at the end of November, and trials for a month before that. No thanks. And that's before you bring in county senior and Sigerson commitments on that same timeline.

Best thing we could with under-21 football is turn it into an old style weekend tournament and guarantee everyone three games. Yes it would be attritional, but it would condense it in the schedule.


Raven, the logistics of taking a team from the Mournes to Belfast (or vice versa) on a weekday evening is difficult. The top grade sides can do it because they have the player numbers. Smaller teams just can't afford to lose a handful of players due to travel commitments, and it's natural in any club that once a few lads can't commit, a few more throw in the towel. We should be encouraging these lads to play and enjoy their football, and not make them drive an hour to face a beating, or to scramble through their phone books to field a team.

Fair point wobbler, but as 2 of the 3 "Belfast"clubs are in the all county league the only surely having to travel to Holywood once a season wouldn't be that much of an imposition. I'm sure mourne teams would much rather travel to Loughisland or Drumaness than Banbridge or Tullylish.
At least the South Down fixtures are out, I would be surprised if the East Down fixtures have even been drawn up, maybe someone can prove me wrong.
I'm not and never have been a fan of divisional boards,I would much rather see similar strength clubs from wherever in the county playing in all county leagues rather than 2 skewed one sided leagues. Think of this as a player would you rather have an all county division 2 winners medal  at Minor or U16 than a South Down or  East Down medal. I know which I would want

What about travelling from holywood?
That would depend on how much we have on in terms of other activities. Any excuse and St Paul's don't travel or we travel weak.

Our U-16 team travelled to CPN two Sundays ago and then Newry last Sunday. I don't have a problem with that, but what I do have a problem with is teams travelling but the other team not reciprocating in the reverse fixture later on in the year.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on March 21, 2015, 01:38:20 PM
Minors beat Monaghan today in downpatrick with a score line of 0-6 to 0-4. Looked like to be very close. Anyone know the team or any other reports?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 21, 2015, 02:22:46 PM
Looks close alright looks very defensive by both teams as the scoreline suggests. Was anyone at it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on March 21, 2015, 06:07:32 PM
With the Division 3 Football season kicking off tomorrow
Who do we think will be the top 3 teams teams chasing promotion
I would have to say
>Aghaderg
>Dundrum
>Glasdrumman

TOMORROWS FIXTURES
BALLYKINLAR V GLASDRUMMAN
AGHADERG V TECONNAUGHT
MITCHELS V DUNDRUM
BRIGHT V ST PAUL'S
ARDGLASS V AUGHLISNAFIN
KILLYLEAGH V ST MICHAEL'S GAC, MAGHERALIN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on March 21, 2015, 08:37:50 PM
Teams to win I've selected in bold

BALLYKINLAR V GLASDRUMMAN
AGHADERG V TECONNAUGHT
MITCHELS V DUNDRUM
BRIGHT V ST PAUL'S
ARDGLASS V AUGHLISNAFIN
KILLYLEAGH V ST MICHAEL'S GAC, MAGHERALIN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on March 21, 2015, 09:21:29 PM
Hard to call as I have no idea how these teams are shaping up this year but I would be expecting Tecconaught to be looking to bounce back from relegation.  Saw Dundrum vs St Malachys (Antrim) and they were very poor (by their own admission) but may have just been preseason rustiness.

Glasdrumman
Tecconaught
Dundrum
Bright
Ardglass
Killyleagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on March 22, 2015, 12:55:25 AM
hopefully Ballykinler will field a team this year, sad a club with such a rich tradition in the county have a successful soccer club and couldnt field at senior level last year. no more excuses, time for them to get the finger out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 22, 2015, 09:26:20 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 22, 2015, 12:55:25 AM
hopefully Ballykinler will field a team this year, sad a club with such a rich tradition in the county have a successful soccer club and couldnt field at senior level last year. no more excuses, time for them to get the finger out.
+1. The County Board tried to help last year to some degree of success but the hard work needs
to be done by their Club people.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 23, 2015, 03:02:10 PM
Quote from: wobbller on March 22, 2015, 09:26:20 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 22, 2015, 12:55:25 AM
hopefully Ballykinler will field a team this year, sad a club with such a rich tradition in the county have a successful soccer club and couldnt field at senior level last year. no more excuses, time for them to get the finger out.
+1. The County Board tried to help last year to some degree of success but the hard work needs
to be done by their Club people.

Not a great start yesterday with only three games happening.


    Aghaderg 2-1 V 7-18 Teconnaught

    Time: 3 00 PM , Venue: Aghaderg

    Referee: Ronan Barry

    Round 2

    Bright 1-11 V 1-12 St Paul's

    Time: 3 00 PM , Venue: Bright

    Referee: Eugene O Hare

    Round 2

    Killyleagh 3-6 V 1-6 St Michael's GAC, Magheralin

    Time: 3 00 PM , Venue: Downpatrick

    Referee: TBC

Looks like a long hard year for Aghaderg going by yesterday's scoreline, did they win a game at all last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on March 23, 2015, 03:06:41 PM
Why did only 3 games take place?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on March 23, 2015, 03:18:41 PM
Quote from: John Martin on March 23, 2015, 03:06:41 PM
Why did only 3 games take place?

'Super Sunday'?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 23, 2015, 06:21:54 PM
John Gilchrist (RIP) was buried in Ardglass yesterday, a great supporter of gaelic games in the county and I think one of the founding members of the Down Supporters Club. Past and present footballers were asked to form a guard of honour. Ive no idea why the other two games were postponed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on March 26, 2015, 01:46:27 PM
Sun 29 Mar

O'Neills Down ACFL 3

( Round 3), Venue: Teconnaught, Teconnaught V Glasdrumman 15:00

(Round 3), Venue: Mitchels, Mitchels V Aghaderg 15:00,

(Round: Round 3), Venue: St Pauls, St Paul's V Dundrum 15:00,

(Round 3), Venue: Annsborough, Aughlisnafin V Bright 15:00,

(Round 3), Venue: Killyleagh, Killyleagh V Ballykinlar 15:00,

( Round 3), Venue: St Michael's, St Michael's V Ardglass 15:00

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 26, 2015, 07:48:09 PM
Down (NFL v Meath): S Kane;
G Collins, L Howard, D Turley;
P Devlin , D O'Hanlon, C Maginn;
P Turley, R Mallon;
C McGovern, K McKernan, M Poland;
C Laverty, A McConville, D O'Hare.

Very small half back line to play against a big enough Meath side that gave us a tough battle last year in Navan. It looks like he is determined to find a place for o Hanlon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on March 26, 2015, 07:55:39 PM
Is it true that dee Turley has transferred from RGU to a side in Meath? Haven't heard any word on this tonight until I read it on the Hoganstand. Anyone care to tell me if this is the truth?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 26, 2015, 07:57:42 PM
Unchanged team which is a good thing in my book. I think the half backs and half forwards are fairly fluid so I wouldn't worry too much about any particular line of 3 looking small.

Is O'Hagan fit again?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on March 26, 2015, 08:00:17 PM
Saw down training last night as our seniors were training also. Both he and Madine were training in for own from what I saw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 26, 2015, 09:34:43 PM
The programmes for our last couple of league games have listed Dee Turley as playing for Droimconrach, although the Hogan Stand suggests he has joined Meath Hill. The two neighbouring clubs have separate senior sides but have amalgamated at underage level. Droimconrach's website says its women's team is called Dee Rangers, which is not likely to be in honour of the new signing. Regardless of his club affiliation, he has been outstanding for Down this season, and, barring injury, looks a certain championship starter at corner back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 28, 2015, 09:28:50 PM
One word can sum that up...poor. Poor shooting, poor handling and passing. 2nd best all over. Disappointing night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 28, 2015, 09:42:12 PM
Shocking performance in Newry tonight.Midfield cleaned out from the first minute and not a change made in that area.No full forward that can win his own ball in and around the square.The shooting was terrible.Lucky wins against Kildare and Galway are covering lots of cracks in this team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 28, 2015, 11:11:55 PM
It is a little hard to believe that season after season, with different players under a range of managers, we still tend to struggle in wet conditions and particularly against physically stronger opponents, but unfortunately it proved to be the case again tonight.

The performance may have been a reality check, as we know that we at least two of our league wins came in very fortunate circumstances, but it was still a depressing evening, as Meath had a deserved success but were nothing special.

We even looked as though we were going to come from behind again when we got within a point going into the last quarter, but the handling errors and poor decision making which we produced from start to finish led to a late collapse.

Our success this spring has been largely based on the pace we can offer coming out of defence, but, although the slippery ball and swirling wind did not help, we had no real rhythm at any stage.

McCorry has almost always used effective tactics and made positive switches to date but nothing very much came off for him tonight and he faces a big task in lifting the squad for our final league game against Laois next week.

We did fairly well defensively until the last 15 minutes, and Kane could not be blamed for either of the late goals. His kick-outs were pretty mixed but he was solid under the dropping ball and made a couple of decent saves as well.

Collins, Howard and Dee Turley were all reasonable until they were exposed in the dying moments, but the half back line struggled for long periods. Mallon had a couple of fine forward runs, but he tends to leave a few gaps and both Maginn, who was replaced, and O'Hanlon, who surprisingly was not, were poor.

Peter Turley did a decent job until he tired late on but Devlin is not a midfielder and, as his confidence deserted him, he even missed a relatively simply free which would have brought us to within a goal towards the end.

McKernan and McGovern looked like defenders who were told to push forward while Poland is still trying to find his best form even if his black card was a little harsh.

McConville might have been better at midfield than full forward on the night, while O'Hare never really got into the game. Laverty ran himself into the ground but he was never as influential as he can be.

The Johnston brothers did OK when they came on, and together with Mooney will be pushing for a starting spot next week, while McArdle at least put himself about when he was introduced.

We should be capable of getting the point we need against Laois, but our momentum has been halted and we will need some leaders to emerge when the pressure is on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffleKing on March 28, 2015, 11:48:49 PM

Watching on tv, the keeper's kick outs were atrocious - particularly in the first half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on March 29, 2015, 12:13:17 AM
Struggled for scores,breaking ball and were outdone in the physical stakes unsurprisingly. On a night like that it really was no surprise we lost against a bigger Meath team.polands black card may have been slightly harsh, though laverty's yellow could easily have been a red.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 29, 2015, 12:22:04 AM
In fairness, DuffleKing, his first half kick-outs were into a gale force wind and towards a badly beaten midfield. He tried going short to McKernan once and it led to a point against us which could easily have been a goal. We need to come up with more options involving players making runs in space toward the wings, but Kane was not the cause of our defeat against Meath.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on March 29, 2015, 02:35:31 AM
Kanes kickouts haven't impressed me at all theyre very one dimensional and inconsistent although he is a good shot stopper
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 29, 2015, 10:18:57 AM
Big crowd in Newry last night. Stand was near full but what a disappointing performance. Although I stood down at the corner between the 2 stands for last few minutes and the weather was dreadful although the same for both teams. Down again failed when more expected off them. A point is not enough next Sunday as a meath win over cavan would see them up on head to head. If McCorry can't raise them for a game where a win means promotion then he will have a tough summer. I expect laois to boss Down next Sunday so hopefully it will be better conditions. All teams in div 2 are very evenly matched
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on March 29, 2015, 12:56:44 PM
Middle sector is a major concern for Down. Lack of ball winning physical presence and someone with the ability to break the tackle and drive forward rather than side ways passing is urgently required.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 29, 2015, 05:11:26 PM
We have a range of concerns after last night but it is also a simple fact that, going into the last game of division two, we are in a far better place than we could possibly have anticipated at the start of the season.

A win, or even quite possibly a draw, at home to Laois, will get us promoted and into a divisional final at Croke Park. If we needed any more incentive, the weekend's results have confirmed that Derry, Armagh and Fermanagh will all be in D2 next year and they are very likely to be joined by Tyrone and Cavan.

We have a choice between a second division which will be a watered down version of the Ulster championship, and a nightmare to escape from, or on taking the best teams in the country in the top league.

If we can put together a competitive midfield, which might involve Mallon joining Peter Turley, assuming Madine is still unavailable, we are more than capable of getting the result we need against Laois.

McKernan would probably need to revert to sweeper, with O'Hagan returning at corner back and Dee Turley coming into the half back line with McArdle, and a starting place in the half forwards for Mooney.

A major worry is that McKernan was the only starting forward to score from play last night, but any sort of a decent return from the rest of the attack next week will come close to getting us over the line.

We know what we need to do, we are on our own pitch and we can give ourselves a huge lift before the championship if we get things right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 29, 2015, 08:45:30 PM
Mourne Rover, if 3 bottom teams all win, and either Cavan or Meath win their game, down are up in Div 1 after losing their final game !!  Its possible.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 29, 2015, 11:03:50 PM
Well worked out Umpire and you are quite right with your permutations. On the strength of their respective displays against us, it would still be very surprising if Westmeath beat Roscommon. However, if that happened,and there were no draws, a Galway win would put them level with us on eight points if we lose to Laois. We would go through on the head to head, finishing in second place, and the winners of Meath v Cavan would top the division. We seldom do things the easy win, but a win in Newry on Sunday would remove any need for the calculators.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 30, 2015, 10:52:13 AM
Saturday night's performance was as shite as I can remember in recent times. No amount of sugar coating or glossing over will hide the fact that the team and individual performances were not good enough. Its a fluke that we sit top of Div2 at present with a few stolen wins papering over the cracks. To say otherwise is just bullsh!t and delusional.

The line-ups are constantly confusing, players are playing in positions that baffle, sub-standard performances from 'seasoned' players mixed in with others that think they are still playing for their clubs lording it, all make for horrible viewing. And these aren't isolated occurrences. This is nearly every game we see this. Saturday night was a replica of the Roscommon game in terms of poor performance. Actually it was worse.

Kilcoo are to be admired for their recent success but there is no way on this earth they should have 6 or 7 men on the Down team together at the one time. All good footballers in their own right but no one club in Down is that good to contribute half the team. Ye wouldn't have seen it with Cross when they were at their peak and Kilcoo are no Cross.
Also a few of them tend to forget that certain behavioural traits don't wash at this level. The stuff that they get away with at domestic level doesn't count in this arena.
No amount of posturing, flexing or trash talking will intimidate 6ft2, 16st intercounty players.

Meath by their own admission wouldn't be in the higher echelons of teams in the country but the comedic ease with which their 'men' swatted aside our players was hard to watch at times. And to be fair a few men in red deserved it for the shite they were indulging in. Get on with playing football for Christ's sake. That's what matters most.

Observations:
- The kickout/retention issue wont go away anytime soon especially as we have a team full of runts. This is still a huge concern. No midfield partnership or settled pairing either contributes to this. We were wiped out in the middle completely both in the air and on the floor.
- Conor Garvey and O'Hagan are as sound a defender as we have yet they aren't near the pitch so im assuming both are injured. Both would add Physicality and experience.
- We kicked 7 balls into the keepers hands from scorable shots. Another day these will go over I suppose but its still way too high a number.
- We turned ball over too easy when we had possession ie Conor Maginnn 1st half springs to mind as well as Mallon & Devlin getting blocked down when tryn to shoot through a ruck of players.
- Multiple wides in first half cost us dear also, especially when we owned the ball for periods.
- Lateral hand passing back and forth across the pitch going nowhere fast whilst forwards live off scraps.
- One great move the length of the field finished with O'Hanlon nearly scoring a point just skimming the crossbar - this was the one memorable fluid move I remember the whole game.
- Impact of the bench wasn't the same as what it might have been in previous games. Not to harp back but if you were to spring a Benny Coulter from the bench with 15 to go it would fairly tighten the opposition defence. After all he was our best forward last year when it mattered and that was sometimes on one leg.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 30, 2015, 12:27:56 PM
Brick, you may think that our performances have been dreadful this season, but we have actually won four league games out of six in a very tight division with a 100 per cent success rate on the road. Three of those four wins were the result of dominant final quarter displays, which is hardly a bad sign, and our overall record is our best in the league for the last five years.

The Roscommon and Meath games were very disappointing, and show how far we have to go,  but they need to be set against the progress which the likes of the Turleys, Howard, Devlin, Collins, Kane and McConville have made and the solid contributions from established figures like Laverty, McKernan and O'Hare.

You highlight our obvious problems at midfield without mentioning that Gordon, Rogers and King are not in the squad, while Fitzpatrick and Madine are recovering from knocks, which must stretch our resources.

You say you assume O'Hagan is injured, but everyone who was at the Cavan match will have seen how he pulled up with a hamstring while making a run, and McCorry has since gone out of his way to provide updates on his recovery in a series of interviews.

Garvey is a fine defender who struggled in our first match at Kildare, got a black card in the next fixture against Roscommon, and has been on the bench since then but will no doubt return.

There is little point in telling us that our subs have not been as effective as Coulter. We know that he was an outstanding forward but we also know that he has announced his retirement, so we have to concentrate on options who are actually available to us.

A win. probably a draw and possibly even a defeat in our last game will get us promoted, which leaves us in a better position than the other seven teams in our division, so feel free to let us know the team you would pick against Laois.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 30, 2015, 12:59:27 PM
MR im well aware of the bare facts in terms of wins etc but for me it papers over cracks. I could dig out stats that would also illustrate how bad we have been too if I had the inclination.
Look at the performances. Surely a cause for concern.
We beat Westmeath comfortably and played a bit. Apart from that we have been abject in the majority of games.
The Roscommon and Meath games were disappointing yes but don't forget the Galway game where we should been beaten out the gate and undeservedly stole the win, as well as the smash n grab in Kildare.

When I say that O'Hagan was assumed injured I meant that he hasn't recovered yet. Garvey needs to play. Accept that he plays on the edge and hasn't been at his best but his experience and physicality is needed at half back.
You speak about progress of all these players. They aren't new to the scene. Peter Turley is an experienced intercounty player now. Damian will be the same after this season and a run in the team. Howard has been there before too and isn't a newbie by any stretch, nor is McConville. A lot of the players have been on the panel for number of years and have been in around county squads. There are a very few who are new to it all so tell me another one.

There is a serious hero-worship on here with regards some players and its daft to say the least.
Some of them should stay out of the media and get on with doing their talkin on the field. They shouldn't be pre-occupied with whats said on social media and the likes. When they are whinging in papers and speaking out it just provides a platform for them to be shot at when it goes wrong. Cant abide by that stuff. Too many talking to media too often. Stay out of the papers ffs.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 30, 2015, 02:37:48 PM
Brick, there was no hero worship in my post and no suggestion that the Turleys, Howard and McConville are new to the county squad. The point was how much they have improved this season, together with newcomers like Collins and Kane.

We have had mixed fortunes so far, and we need to improve, but it is nonsensical to claim that we have been abject in the majority of games when we are top of the league and within touching distance of promotion to division one.

The direct invitation, now that you have said we have players who are not good enough, is to let us know the team you would pick against Laois. Over to you, Brick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 30, 2015, 03:06:58 PM
By what yardstick do you measure improvement for those players? Arthur never got a chance under wee james and now he has to a degree so he could only but improve. Jury still out to be fair as he has only recently started a few games. Kane is a newcomer so again its his baptismal year so don't know how you can say he has improved. Howard has been tried and tested before and is playing no better or worse than previously. He is being asked to play full back which is a big ask imho. How can you measure his improvement. Collins yes has done well and performances are decent to an extent and he is an addition to the squad. Turley is fighting a lone battle in there in midfield. You make the point of a marked improvement but by what do you judge this.

You say we have had mixed fortunes so far. Are you blind? We have had one fortune so far. Luck. Great to win games playing badly surely but open your eyes man. We are lucky not to be fighting off relegation based on performances.
Remind me in my rants where I stated we don't have players that are good enough.
What does my naming of a team prove?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 30, 2015, 05:09:49 PM
To go through your points, Brick, it is wrong to say that McConville never got a chance under James. He actually played in several league games in 2012 and then went to the US the following year. Since his recall, he has been both scoring and making goals and looks a much more effective player. Kane made his debut in the McKenna Cup this year and took a while to settle but improved steadily and looked an outstanding keeper against Galway. Very few people who have attended all the league games would agree that Howard is no better and no worse than in previous seasons. He was formerly a fringe corner back who dropped out of the squad entirely and went travelling, and he is now a confident and physically stronger full back who has played in every game.  Dee Turley was never a regular until this year, while Peter Turley was twice replaced at midfield at half-time or earlier in last season's championship and since has become an automatic choice. Those are all clear examples of players on an upward curve.

As you ask when you criticised players, your recent posts have referred to individual displays which were `not good enough', `sub-standard performances from seasoned players', behaviour which does not `wash at this level',  how the way in which Meath `swatted aside' our players was hard to watch, how we have a `team full of runts', how Maginn lost possession and  how Mallon and Devlin got blocked while shooting through a ruck of opponents, and how players are `whinging in the papers.'

It is absolutely fair to say that our form has been mixed this season, but the table tells us that it has been better than anyone else in the division so far. You keep saying how poor we are, so you must surely be capable of identifying a team which could do a better job. If you don't, your arguments look weak.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 30, 2015, 05:48:49 PM
   I think this argument would be better timed to be discussed after next Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on March 30, 2015, 06:00:50 PM
Why were the big men kept on the bench?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 30, 2015, 06:06:36 PM
The discussion has actually been about what has happened so far this season, Wobbller. Getting promoted will not necessarily make us a better side than finishing in third place, although it is worth pursuing, and the question is really whether or not we are improving as we prepare for the championship. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 30, 2015, 06:35:39 PM
I won't give a view on a team as I have already made my points clear on that but I will ask a few general questions.

- other than the Westmeanth game do people actually think Down have played well this year despite the points tally? IMO the three home performances have been as bad as I have seen in a long time including the championship match against Kildare last year.  The fact that we sit top of the league says more about how poor this division is rather than how good we have been.

- would you actually want to see Down promoted? We all want our team to win but I could see us being given some serious hiddings next year if we were in Div 1.  There can not be denying that we have had some serious luck this year and we could have already been relegated at this stage with 2 points only for that luck.

- do people actually see any progression at the minute or the makings of a championship team.  I mean would you be happy with the team that started on Sat starting in Derry in a few weeks time?

- Am I the only one who doesn't understand the continuous deployment of several players out of position despite viable alternatives being available.  At the minute we have one real scoring forward and when he isn't firing we are in trouble.  One of our other better score takers is being deployed at midfield and the other is being played as a sweeper.  Does this make sense??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 30, 2015, 06:38:38 PM
its alarming how easy teams are running through us, this hasnt been addressed. on saturday night we only had collins, howard and damian turley who i would describe as natural defenders. the rest are half forwards who are trying to be accommodated in the team by using them as defenders. we need people who enjoy defending because at the minute teams are getting countless goal chances against us.

my team if everyone is fit would be.
                       
                     kane

howard          mcardle     o'hagan

d turley          carr           garvey

          mallon           p turley

devlin             poland         r johnston/mooney/maginn

laverty            o'hare          mckernan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 30, 2015, 06:59:44 PM
I have to agree with brick and white.Where is the progression being made?Even thou we are going to get promoted I don't see where we have pushed on since James finished up.We are as bad defensively and as for midfield we are far worse of than we have ever been.As a forward unit yes we run about with all the tricks of the day but what exactly has our forwards scored from play this campaign?I would like to know those stats if anyone had them handy?(although Westmeath was a trimming).Has anyone any information as to the whereabouts of Dan Gordan and Ambrose Rodgers because we need both of them at 8-9 for the Derry game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 30, 2015, 10:36:57 PM
Fair play to Sheedy for actually suggesting a team for Sunday rather than telling us the players who are not good enough. It is a reasonable line-up, although 14 of the 17 named played at some stage against Meath, with the only exceptions being Carr, who was injured and not in the squad, O'Hagan, who has missed the last three games after pulling a hamstring, and Garvey, who was an unused sub. Sheedy's best 15 would give us a decent chance against Laois, but in fairness it is only marginally different from McCorry's recent selections.

Smurfy talks hopefully about bringing back Gordon and Rogers, which would obviously give us a huge boost, but there are a couple of statistics which need to be taken into account. In our last 20 league games, over three years,  Rogers has been available twice and Gordon has not played at all. In our four championship games last summer, Rogers played for 35 minutes. Gordon was injured for our entire championship run of 2013, missed the first Tyrone game last summer, returned for three games and then dropped out of the squad again and has not been seen since.

Gordon has suffered from a serious and recurring foot fracture, while Rogers has also been very unlucky with injuries for a prolonged period. It would be brilliant to see either of them in a Down jersey again, but the likelihood is that we will have to rely on other midfield options this summer.

The posters who think we are underachieving should also take a look at the odds for the All Ireland championship, which are practically unchanged since the start of the season. Paddy Power quotes us at 80/1, which places us at 13th overall and is probably a fair enough assessment. However, in the league, we are just a point away from clinching promotion to the top eight .

In other words, we are hardly world-beaters but McCorry is doing a more than respectable job in difficult circumstances. While getting us into division one would be quite an achievement, he knows he will be judged on championship results. Most real Down fans can see the effort he is putting in and will wish him well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on March 30, 2015, 11:06:11 PM
I have tuned into the ongoing 'discussions' and my thoughts are we are in a very false position. Could easily be in a relegation situation. We are not as good as the league position suggests. You can put a spin on it any way you like but performances have been poor and wins lucky imo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 30, 2015, 11:52:52 PM
I am under that opinion also we robbed Kildare were desperate against Roscommon beat a Cavan team on an atrocious night, robbed Galway who cut us to shreds which actually looked like the defence was the same as in Ross and DJs time bad against Meath and beat a west Meath team which hardly made a tackle. When we met a physical team we struggled. The majority of our team are all small men how can we expect them to deal with 6 ft 3 players. Derry knowing they are down are already tuning into championship mode and I think we will have trouble with them. We don't have the physical strength to get a man stopped from running at us and don't have enough scoring forwards. Hopefully I am wrong but the championship doesn't end with Derry as you go on the teams only get bigger that would be my worry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 31, 2015, 02:00:13 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 30, 2015, 10:36:57 PM
Fair play to Sheedy for actually suggesting a team for Sunday rather than telling us the players who are not good enough. It is a reasonable line-up, although 14 of the 17 named played at some stage against Meath, with the only exceptions being Carr, who was injured and not in the squad, O'Hagan, who has missed the last three games after pulling a hamstring, and Garvey, who was an unused sub. Sheedy's best 15 would give us a decent chance against Laois, but in fairness it is only marginally different from McCorry's recent selections.  I think most people are in general happy with the panel but it is where the players are being played that some may question, ie McGovern at CHB, Maginn at WHB, Mallon at WHB, Madine at MF, Devlin at MF, McArdle coming on at midfield, Garvey coming on at midfield.  These guys rarely if ever would have played these positions for their club.  Also O hagan was stripped and ready to come on the last 10 mins the other night so I assume he is fit.

Smurfy talks hopefully about bringing back Gordon and Rogers, which would obviously give us a huge boost, but there are a couple of statistics which need to be taken into account. In our last 20 league games, over three years,  Rogers has been available twice and Gordon has not played at all. In our four championship games last summer, Rogers played for 35 minutes. Gordon was injured for our entire championship run of 2013, missed the first Tyrone game last summer, returned for three games and then dropped out of the squad again and has not been seen since.

Gordon has suffered from a serious and recurring foot fracture, while Rogers has also been very unlucky with injuries for a prolonged period. It would be brilliant to see either of them in a Down jersey again, but the likelihood is that we will have to rely on other midfield options this summer.  Agreed, it would be great to have Dan in particular available and maybe the question should be asked again but the likelyhood is we will have to look elsewhere.

The posters who think we are underachieving should also take a look at the odds for the All Ireland championship, which are practically unchanged since the start of the season. Paddy Power quotes us at 80/1, which places us at 13th overall and is probably a fair enough assessment. However, in the league, we are just a point away from clinching promotion to the top eight . I dont think anyone is looking for an All Ireland but given the lack of quality around at the minute a quarter final spot isnt an unrealistic target.  People want to see progression more than anything.  The 3 home games to date have not been progression, I can think of other words to describe them such as pathetic !!!  As I said we dont think we should be winning all irelands but we also dont think we should be getting tankings from the likes of Rosscommon and Meath

In other words, we are hardly world-beaters but McCorry is doing a more than respectable job in difficult circumstances. While getting us into division one would be quite an achievement, he knows he will be judged on championship results. Most real Down fans can see the effort he is putting in and will wish him well. Do you honestly think McCorry is getting the best out of the players, playing them in the correct positions and generally making progress with the team despite whatever points tally they have.  If so fair enough, I suppose the game is all about opinions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on March 31, 2015, 02:43:47 PM
The worrying factor for me would be Down's inability to put in to practice the system they are trying to employ if there is a system - a couple of things for me really stood out on Saturday night (and before); our 2 man full forward line were lined up in single file for the majority of the match with a sweeper in front and very little if any movement, therefore leaving those coming through with no option but to carry the ball in to contact and slow down the attack, we never at any stage looked like getting a goal from memory (I'm sure I will be proven wrong on that).
In defense we filter the 12 men back but are unaware of the positioning of the attacking team, a number of times on Saturday night the Meath wing half back was in acres of space on the stand side available to take the ball on the move, leading to our full back line being exposed.
We are not quick enough at breaking to execute the plan we are attempting to put in place. Furthermore with the 'blanket' defense put in place there is very little contact being put on the opposition, to me it appeared we were happy to put a moderate amount of pressure on and shepherd the opposition away from goal leaving them with time to assess and make their next move.
Finally on our kick outs there didn't appear to be a plan B, there didn't seem to be anything pre rehearsed about runs being made, we do not have the tallest midfield in the country and as such I would have though it would be imperative to have at all times 2-3 different options for the kick out.
Possibly I am wrong and the players are just not executing the plan as devised but it really looks headless work-rate for me at times. Its all well and good working your a** of for 70 minutes but there needs to be a method to it if we are hoping to be successful.
At the minute it appears to me we are not necessarily playing as a unit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 31, 2015, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 30, 2015, 10:36:57 PM
Fair play to Sheedy for actually suggesting a team for Sunday rather than telling us the players who are not good enough.Again, I never said anyone wasn't good enough at all so don't misquote me. It is a reasonable line-up, although 14 of the 17 named played at some stage against Meath, with the only exceptions being Carr, who was injured and not in the squad, O'Hagan, who has missed the last three games after pulling a hamstring, and Garvey, who was an unused sub. Sheedy's best 15 would give us a decent chance against Laois, but in fairness it is only marginally different from McCorry's recent selections.

Smurfy talks hopefully about bringing back Gordon and Rogers, which would obviously give us a huge boost, but there are a couple of statistics which need to be taken into account. In our last 20 league games, over three years,  Rogers has been available twice and Gordon has not played at all. In our four championship games last summer, Rogers played for 35 minutes. Gordon was injured for our entire championship run of 2013, missed the first Tyrone game last summer, returned for three games and then dropped out of the squad again and has not been seen since.

Gordon has suffered from a serious and recurring foot fracture, while Rogers has also been very unlucky with injuries for a prolonged period. It would be brilliant to see either of them in a Down jersey again, but the likelihood is that we will have to rely on other midfield options this summer.Hopefully with players who have at least played midfield before and are physically equipped to handle the position.

The posters who think we are underachieving should also take a look at the odds for the All Ireland championship, which are practically unchanged since the start of the season. Paddy Power quotes us at 80/1, which places us at 13th overall and is probably a fair enough assessment. However, in the league, we are just a point away from clinching promotion to the top eight .Really? You're using Paddy Power's odds to support your view where Down lie in the pecking order and their performances to date? Also as others have previously mentioned I think the fact that we still sit top and on the brink of promotion really says more about the standard of the division this year and the performances of the teams in it.

In other words, we are hardly world-beaters but McCorry is doing a more than respectable job in difficult circumstances. While getting us into division one would be quite an achievement, he knows he will be judged on championship results. Most real Down fans can see the effort he is putting in and will wish him well. The real Down fans thank you wholeheartedly for speaking on their behalf as well as presuming to know their thoughts. Incidentally what constitutes a 'Real Down Fan' in your view.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 31, 2015, 05:57:23 PM
 This is great craic. No need to quote me afterwards. :-* :-*
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 31, 2015, 06:34:57 PM
Quote from: wobbller on March 31, 2015, 05:57:23 PM
This is great craic. No need to quote me afterwards. :-* :-*

Is right! You boys want to get out more into the wider gaaboard and use your talents to wind up lads from other counties. We could maybe have white, brick and mr seated together on Sunday for the Craic just in case we don't like what we're seeing on the field?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 31, 2015, 07:12:17 PM
I don't see how I am on the wind up.  I am trying to engage in conversation on the current performances of the Down team and don't agree with a few of MR points and so have responded to them, does that mean I am on the wind up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on March 31, 2015, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 31, 2015, 07:12:17 PM
I don't see how I am on the wind up.  I am trying to engage in conversation on the current performances of the Down team and don't agree with a few of MR points and so have responded to them, does that mean I am on the wind up?
Keep on winding. I think a few of these boys fancy  themselves as some sort of expert analysts or journalists who get paid to write rubbish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 31, 2015, 07:23:54 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 30, 2015, 06:38:38 PM
its alarming how easy teams are running through us, this hasnt been addressed. on saturday night we only had collins, howard and damian turley who i would describe as natural defenders. the rest are half forwards who are trying to be accommodated in the team by using them as defenders. we need people who enjoy defending because at the minute teams are getting countless goal chances against us.

my team if everyone is fit would be.
                       
                     kane

howard          mcardle     o'hagan

d turley          carr           garvey

          mallon           p turley

devlin             poland         r johnston/mooney/maginn

laverty            o'hare          mckernan

That's an interesting team Sheedy and not far off what I would go for.

I take it you would have McKernan coimg out the field rather than playing as a conventional corner forward??  I say this because it got me thinking is he a viable option at full foward.  He has the attributes needed there, pace, size and scoring ability.  It may take away from the dynamism he provides further out the field but it could also bring him into the game more.  It's just a thought but he did play in that position for a period for Burren and done well but Burrens need for him lie elsewhere on the field.  Tyrone are doing a similar thing with Mattie Donnelly in order to get him in more dangerous areas of the field so it might be worth looking at.

I also think that we can't play Laverty as part of a two man full forward line.  For all that Conor offers the team scoring prowess isnt one of them.  At a guess I'd say he wouldn't have any more than 10 points in the league games to date but I am sure someone will correct me on this.  Is that enough in a two man full forward line.   As we seen the other night when Donal isn't at top form we are struggling so I think he needs a bit of a hand up top.  Even McGarry probably deserves another look as he played further out the field in the game he did play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 31, 2015, 08:00:08 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 31, 2015, 07:23:54 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 30, 2015, 06:38:38 PM
its alarming how easy teams are running through us, this hasnt been addressed. on saturday night we only had collins, howard and damian turley who i would describe as natural defenders. the rest are half forwards who are trying to be accommodated in the team by using them as defenders. we need people who enjoy defending because at the minute teams are getting countless goal chances against us.

my team if everyone is fit would be.
                       
                     kane

howard          mcardle     o'hagan

d turley          carr           garvey

          mallon           p turley

devlin             poland         r johnston/mooney/maginn

laverty            o'hare          mckernan

That's an interesting team Sheedy and not far off what I would go for.

I take it you would have McKernan coimg out the field rather than playing as a conventional corner forward??  I say this because it got me thinking is he a viable option at full foward.  He has the attributes needed there, pace, size and scoring ability.  It may take away from the dynamism he provides further out the field but it could also bring him into the game more.  It's just a thought but he did play in that position for a period for Burren and done well but Burrens need for him lie elsewhere on the field.  Tyrone are doing a similar thing with Mattie Donnelly in order to get him in more dangerous areas of the field so it might be worth looking at.

I also think that we can't play Laverty as part of a two man full forward line.  For all that Conor offers the team scoring prowess isnt one of them.  At a guess I'd say he wouldn't have any more than 10 points in the league games to date but I am sure someone will correct me on this.  Is that enough in a two man full forward line.   As we seen the other night when Donal isn't at top form we are struggling so I think he needs a bit of a hand up top.  Even McGarry probably deserves another look as he played further out the field in the game he did play.
agree with your points about laverty, dont think he contributes enough on the scoreboard but he isnt going to be dropped and will probably stay inside. we need someone to share the scoring burden with donal, someone who can score 3 or 4 points from play but they're not easy found. maybe mcgarry could be that man.

one thing i feel we badly need is strength and power in the centre area of our defence, teams are running through us at will at times and we are giving away alot of goal chances. mckernan has been tried in nearly every position for down and will probably get another run as a sweeper on sunday. what would we give for 2 kevin mckernans, one at either end of the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on March 31, 2015, 11:35:12 PM
Quote from: interested on March 31, 2015, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 31, 2015, 07:12:17 PM
I don't see how I am on the wind up.  I am trying to engage in conversation on the current performances of the Down team and don't agree with a few of MR points and so have responded to them, does that mean I am on the wind up?
Keep on winding. I think a few of these boys fancy  themselves as some sort of expert analysts or journalists who get paid to write rubbish.

I would read the analysis from the guys on here quicker than the papers, haven't got to a game all year through work and here is my first port of call for reports.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 01, 2015, 03:10:07 PM
                              Kane

        O Hagan     Mc Ardle    D.Turley

       Garvey         Howard      R Johnson

             Mc Kernan         Mallon

      Maginn         Poland       Devlin

      Laverty        O Hare        Mooney

I'd like to see this team line out on Sunday, I'd move Howard out to CHB and Mc Ardle back to no3. We seem far to open straight down the middle. Two very mobile players in mf, and I'd leave Laverty and O Hare in 2 man forward line, both small players but with the RIGHT ball played in they could do serious damage with Mooney dropping out to help in 1/2 forward line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on April 01, 2015, 03:59:29 PM
what way would Mooney fare if he was plonked on the edge of the square do people think?
Has he enough of a lep on him to pressurize defences ala big donaghy from the Kingdom? Or would he be wasted in there?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 01, 2015, 05:03:59 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on April 01, 2015, 03:59:29 PM
what way would Mooney fare if he was plonked on the edge of the square do people think?
Has he enough of a lep on him to pressurize defences ala big donaghy from the Kingdom? Or would he be wasted in there?

Wouldnt be wasted but its all about strength and body weight in there (rather than a leap) if you want to play like that. He has the strength ok but would he have the sheer body weight to deal with a McMahon from Tyrone or McGee from Donegal!! His strength is his speed. Even on Sunday when he came on there were at least 2 occasions when he went on those runs that end up with the ball in the net if he is given it, but instead, the player in possession used him as a decoy runner and ended up losing possession. I think that comes from game time with the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on April 01, 2015, 07:45:25 PM
Is tha game definitely on Sunday ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 01, 2015, 08:08:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 31, 2015, 11:35:12 PM
Quote from: interested on March 31, 2015, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 31, 2015, 07:12:17 PM
I don't see how I am on the wind up.  I am trying to engage in conversation on the current performances of the Down team and don't agree with a few of MR points and so have responded to them, does that mean I am on the wind up?
Keep on winding. I think a few of these boys fancy  themselves as some sort of expert analysts or journalists who get paid to write rubbish.

I would read the analysis from the guys on here quicker than the papers, haven't got to a game all year through work and here is my first port of call for reports.

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on April 01, 2015, 08:54:00 PM
Quote from: umpire on April 01, 2015, 08:08:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 31, 2015, 11:35:12 PM
Quote from: interested on March 31, 2015, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 31, 2015, 07:12:17 PM
I don't see how I am on the wind up.  I am trying to engage in conversation on the current performances of the Down team and don't agree with a few of MR points and so have responded to them, does that mean I am on the wind up?
Keep on winding. I think a few of these boys fancy  themselves as some sort of expert analysts or journalists who get paid to write rubbish.

I would read the analysis from the guys on here quicker than the papers, haven't got to a game all year through work and here is my first port of call for reports.

+1
-1 .Give me the Irish News any Monday rather than the bias that's on here!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2015, 09:54:49 PM
I see Donegal Under 21s beat Monaghan by 14 points who beat Derry by 5 who beat Down by 3
How far behind are we in terms of underage?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 01, 2015, 10:24:31 PM
Quote from: imagine on April 01, 2015, 08:54:00 PM
Quote from: umpire on April 01, 2015, 08:08:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 31, 2015, 11:35:12 PM
Quote from: interested on March 31, 2015, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 31, 2015, 07:12:17 PM
I don't see how I am on the wind up.  I am trying to engage in conversation on the current performances of the Down team and don't agree with a few of MR points and so have responded to them, does that mean I am on the wind up?
Keep on winding. I think a few of these boys fancy  themselves as some sort of expert analysts or journalists who get paid to write rubbish.

I would read the analysis from the guys on here quicker than the papers, haven't got to a game all year through work and here is my first port of call for reports.

+1
-1 .Give me the Irish News any Monday rather than the bias that's on here!
what bias??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on April 01, 2015, 11:15:13 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 01, 2015, 10:24:31 PM
Quote from: imagine on April 01, 2015, 08:54:00 PM
Quote from: umpire on April 01, 2015, 08:08:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 31, 2015, 11:35:12 PM
Quote from: interested on March 31, 2015, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 31, 2015, 07:12:17 PM
I don't see how I am on the wind up.  I am trying to engage in conversation on the current performances of the Down team and don't agree with a few of MR points and so have responded to them, does that mean I am on the wind up?
Keep on winding. I think a few of these boys fancy  themselves as some sort of expert analysts or journalists who get paid to write rubbish.

I would read the analysis from the guys on here quicker than the papers, haven't got to a game all year through work and here is my first port of call for reports.

+1
-1 .Give me the Irish News any Monday rather than the bias that's on here!
what bias??
Just the preconceived ideas that are about for today's players. Mickey Linden was an average County player until he blosommed around the start of the 90's.If he was about today he'd be put on the scrap heap by some of the posters on here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 02, 2015, 11:25:16 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2015, 09:54:49 PM
I see Donegal Under 21s beat Monaghan by 14 points who beat Derry by 5 who beat Down by 3
How far behind are we in terms of underage?

It seems that the minors have not been looked after properly over the past 4/5 years hence the lead into the under 21's. Although Shane Mulholland did not have a good year last year he has started this season well with a couple of tight wins against two of the main players in Ulster now in Monaghan and Cavan. His style of football may not be everyones cup of tea but something is needed within the County to get us going again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on April 02, 2015, 11:36:58 AM
Last years minors beat cavan and monaghan in the league also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 02, 2015, 02:38:08 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on April 02, 2015, 11:36:58 AM
Last years minors beat cavan and monaghan in the league also
Your point being what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on April 02, 2015, 03:39:59 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 02, 2015, 02:38:08 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on April 02, 2015, 11:36:58 AM
Last years minors beat cavan and monaghan in the league also
Your point being what?
His point being we won these two Leagues games last year in the Minor League
and still got dumped in the Championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 02, 2015, 10:02:16 PM
Down team for Sunday

Kane

Collins
Howard
D. Turley

O'Hagan
McArdleu
McGovern

P. Turley
Devlin

Maginn
McKernan
Poland

Laverty
Mooney
O'Hare
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 02, 2015, 10:15:22 PM
Quote from: umpire on April 02, 2015, 10:02:16 PM
Down team for Sunday

Kane

Collins
Howard
D. Turley

O'Hagan
McArdleu
McGovern

P. Turley
Devlin

Maginn
McKernan
Poland

Laverty
Mooney
O'Hare
think Ryan mallon can feel a bit hard done by. Team looks stronger defensively but midfield looks bit light.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 02, 2015, 10:24:41 PM
Mallon is definitely unlucky, assuming the changes are tactical, but O'Hanlon struggled against Meath and McConville may be more effective coming off the bench. O'Hagan and McArdle will definitely help us at the back and the big call is Mooney at full forward. His pace could be more suited to the half forward line but he is also a natural goal scorer. There will probably be a fair amount of switching around midfield so Devlin is unlikely to stay there for the full game. If Poland finds his form, which has been patchy, we are in with a decent chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on April 02, 2015, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on April 01, 2015, 03:59:29 PM
what way would Mooney fare if he was plonked on the edge of the square do people think?
Has he enough of a lep on him to pressurize defences ala big donaghy from the Kingdom? Or would he be wasted in there?

Aristo saw jim's notebook  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 03, 2015, 10:33:21 AM
Kane
Collins. Howard. Turley

         McKernan

O Hagan. McArdle. McGovern

Maginn.  Turley.  Devlin

  Poland  Mooney

Laverty.    O Hare

Very light middle 6
Caolan needs a big game as has been poor to date by his standards
Shocked that Ryan Mallon is not starting as he was good on Saturday night.He is not injured either..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 03, 2015, 11:39:12 PM
There was a strong case for starting Mallon at midfield, but there is every possibility that McKernan and McArdle will spend much of their time around there as well. While Mallon could also easily have started in the half back line, dropping McGovern would also have been a tough call. It is likely to be a nervous afternoon on Sunday, but Donie Kingston, who is a key figure for Laois and is exactly the kind of tall and physically strong full foward who tends to cause us trouble, got a straight red last week. There has been no sign of an appeal, and Laois will have to reorganise if he is suspended. If we keep our discipline, and our shape, there is a big prize at stake.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on April 04, 2015, 05:42:39 PM
Was there many at the minor game today? I went and I thought it wasn't a bad showing but we are seriously lacking firepower yet we are without influential vice captain Jody McGovern at CHF. However Armagh are a very robust, smart and well organised defensive unit, however down are still experimenting with different players and what not, but it still doesn't look like they've completly jeled yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 05, 2015, 04:42:24 PM
Well done McCorry, promotion. Great to be shot of all those Ulster bies in D2😎
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 05, 2015, 07:29:23 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 05, 2015, 04:42:24 PM
Well done McCorry, promotion. Great to be shot of all those Ulster bies in D2😎
hard to know what to make of that performance. down mixed some slick attacking play, which got us in for 3 well worked goals with some woeful periods of play. the 2nd half was very flat and we nearly let laois back into it at the end. promotion and a place in the divisional final are secured but theres a lot of work still needed for derry in the summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 05, 2015, 10:33:01 PM
Instead of the usual critics telling us about another limited display when we again pushed our luck, perhaps we can give some credit to a group of players who have worked exceptionally hard under an astute manager to gain a promotion which very few thought possible two months ago.

We were hit by some hammer blows through the retirement of Benny, the unavailability of Gordon and King, Ambrose's injury and Marty's illness, but we regrouped, came up with a game plan  which the players trusted and we now back in the top division and also have a day out at Croke Park.

There's no doubt that our form has has been mixed, but some players who were previously on the fringes have improved significantly, some new faces have emerged and we have managed to develop a winning mentality as well.

Kane is a reassuring presence in goals and his kick-outs were considerably better today than against Meath. The full back line has become a reliable unit, with Howard, Dee Turley and Collins all capable of bursting forward as well. McArdle and O'Hagan were reasonable, although  they have had better days, but McGovern, apart from one misplaced pass, is really starting to look the part and took two excellent points as well.

Mooney was just about our man of the match, even though he is still adjusting after his return from Australia, while Turley was as industrious as ever against a fine Laois pairing.

Devlin's confidence does not seem particularly high, and his shooting was poor, but he still ended up as our top scorer. McKernan was everywhere, although he would be facing a suspension if his yellow card had been black, while Poland is getting much closer to his level of a couple of years ago. Maginn and O'Hare put in fine shifts, while Laverty, apart from a couple of erratic shots, is still pulling all the strings.

The subs all contributed, with a couple of excellent catches from Madine and McConville getting his fourth goal of a campaign in which he only started twice.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 05, 2015, 11:35:05 PM
Here here. There were 2 lads near me in the stand today roaring at everything. Calling players rubbish. 2 real annoying people to sit near. You can't be lucky in all your games. Down have put in some decent performances. Kildare and Galway could be said to be lucky wins but game last 70 mins why are scores lucky at death but not at start .  I thought they did ok today. Laverty wasn't his usual self though. Mc kernan should sit out the final. Can't afford to have him out of derry. game.  Well done lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on April 05, 2015, 11:37:04 PM
Conail McGovern, for a late comer to the county scene (He played U21 in 2009 I believe) really looks the part after a fantastic season in midfield for burren last year. Although he's been thrown into Half back there, really isn't much difference, at Inter county level, between half back and half forward. How range of passing is excellent an he does the simple things right all the time. Mooney was undoubtedly our man of the match, he showed his huge vertical and a good pair of hands, and his rapid bursts of pace left a very good Brendan Quigley for dead. Also great to see Luke Howard grow in confidence, bombing up the field, and also great to seen big Niall Madine pluck two good balls out of the sky after he came on, and the return of Pete Fitz is a great addition to the middle sector. I still believe that Packie Downey needs a shot in and around midfield, but the time to give boys chances is now over. A long and hard three weeks ahead but the boys should be celebrating today. Roll on April 26th!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 06, 2015, 11:16:56 AM
Il go with the positives first

- McGovern played well.
- Mooney kicked two cracking points and looks fitter.
- Poland looked close to his old form.
- McConville made an impact again from the bench.
- Promotion secured, an extra game before Derry and a day out for the players in Croke Park.

However to add a bit of balance although it will be seen as negative.

- Kane has a lot of attributes but I don't think his kick outs are improving, he is trying to vary them but too many are going over the side line or not getting close to the target.
- we conceded 1 15 against very limited opposition so I wouldn't be praising the defence that much especially given the amount of scoreable frees given away.
- Despite Mooneys two great points and generally looking good going forward am I the only one who thought the midfield were cleaned out ???
- I counted at least 5 scoreable efforts going into the keepers hands yet again, outside of 2 or 3 players we seem incapable of hitting scores from range.
- O Hare and Devlin look short of confidence.

Roscommon the next day will be an interesting comparison to the last outing against them and we haven't won many trophies lately so it would be nice to win it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 06, 2015, 11:18:33 AM
Does anyone know if the league final will affect the start of the club league or if it will mean the first few games are starred???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 06, 2015, 06:41:22 PM
Id pretty much agree with that.
The performance was an improvement on what we had seen before but there are still alot of areas for concern.

Mooney looked more at home around the middle and with space in front to exploit. He would cause serious panic to any defence that allows him room to build up runs from deep.His delivery into the forwards was in general very good also.
McGovern also impressed mainly due to doing the simple things very well.

Concerns would be taking foot off the gas and allowing a poor team to score 1-15 against us. Also the kickout scenario hasnt improved any. As mentioned before this isnt solely Kane's responsibility either. Failing to convert relatively easy chances when they present themselves would also be a worry.

Good to get a win albeit against poor opposition and good to be promoted out of a division where the standard wasnt great. Bigger tests will lie ahead which should tell us more about our true standing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Realmccoy on April 08, 2015, 10:19:12 PM
It is great to avoid Division 2 next year as it going to be another Ulster championship with Armagh/cavan/Fermanagh/derry/Tyrone. Plus along with meath, galway and Laois it will be extremely competitive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 08, 2015, 10:22:30 PM
Anyone hear any rumours that the first 2 rounds of the league might be postponed due to the Div 2 National League final?  Now hopefully not, as clubs have been preparing for the league start for weeks and to be told less than 2 weeks before that 30 elite players are more important than the hundreds of club players who have been knocking their pan in just isn't on.  Could they not just star the first 2 rounds and let the games go ahead? 

I hope what I have heard isn't true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on April 09, 2015, 02:08:24 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 09, 2015, 12:58:36 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 08, 2015, 10:22:30 PM
Anyone hear any rumours that the first 2 rounds of the league might be postponed due to the Div 2 National League final?  Now hopefully not, as clubs have been preparing for the league start for weeks and to be told less than 2 weeks before that 30 elite players are more important than the hundreds of club players who have been knocking their pan in just isn't on.  Could they not just star the first 2 rounds and let the games go ahead? 

I hope what I have heard isn't true.
Your Club mustn't have any County panellists or you wouldn't be looking the
games starred.
I agree starring them would hurt teams like Clonduff, Saval, Warrenpoint, Rostrevor, etc; who haven't got  particularly strong squads and will need their top players available this year for as many games as possible to try and stay up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on April 09, 2015, 03:17:40 PM

"The first round of games in the All County Senior Football League Div 1 & 2 have been postponed due to Down's involvement in the National Football League Final on 26th April in Croke Park."
Club football suffers again, no wonder so many players prefer soccer, where they are guaranteed regular games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on April 09, 2015, 04:04:57 PM
This is some msg to be sending the club players of Down: It's more important that county players get to rest than it is for club players to play! The officials that made this decision clearly have no regard for the clubs or their players. I wouldn't even star the first round of club games; if international rugby players can play two games in a week then why can't county players. If the county lads aren't playin for their clubs sure they'll be busting a gut in training to stay sharp or get in the team! Clubs need to stand up here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 09, 2015, 04:19:41 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on April 09, 2015, 04:04:57 PM
This is some msg to be sending the club players of Down: It's more important that county players get to rest than it is for club players to play! The officials that made this decision clearly have no regard for the clubs or their players. I wouldn't even star the first round of club games; if international rugby players can play two games in a week then why can't county players. If the county lads aren't playin for their clubs sure they'll be busting a gut in training to stay sharp or get in the team! Clubs need to stand up here.
`

If the same clowns had postponed the Club Championship in 2010 then we may have had a fit Ambrose and may have won the all Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 09, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
  Sure the players have been training on consecutive nights so I wouldn't
be worried too much about player welfare in this case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 09, 2015, 07:55:13 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 09, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
  Sure the players have been training on consecutive nights so I wouldn't
be worried too much about player welfare in this case.

You seriously think that teams have been training on the field two nights running in preparation for the start of the league, I don't think so.  Player welfare would dictate putting the game after the league final off to avoid injury but this game is going ahead, clowns isn't the word.  Club teams have been preparing for weeks for the start of the league but now hundreds of players are left wondering why they even bother when games will be changed willy nilly.

Our County Board didn't even have the belief in our team to factor in the possibility of reaching the final into our masters fixture list, shows you how much faith the had in the new management and current players.  These tubes are an absolute joke.

The full statement from DCB is below:

A Chara

A request has been made to CCC by the Management and Players of the Down Senior Football Panel to assist their preparations for the Allianz Division Two League Final by postponing Round 1 of Division One and Two of the O Neills All County Football League. CCC have considered the request and are opposed to starring the fixtures and would therefore propose that Round 1 be moved in it's entirety to Sunday 10th May. County Team management have agreed that there will be no further deviation from the All County Football League programme as outlined in the fixture calendar. We appreciate the support of the Clubs in this instance as the County Team prepares for a National Final. With all the Gaels in Down we wish players and management every success in the League Final on April 26th.

Is Mise
Seán Óg Mac an tSaoir

I would love to know if (1) The county management will stick to this, (2) not the county management but the CCC may see further deviation from the League programme (3) the reasons why CCC are opposed to starring this round of fixtures..

They may appreciate the support of clubs in this instance but I don't think they will get it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on April 09, 2015, 08:18:12 PM
The last league game off last season was the 29th Aug and the 1st game is the 27th April a full 8 months with no game for most team's that didn't reach the knockout stage's off last years championship!! No wonder lads go till soccer where u get a game every week from Aug till May
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turkey+ham on April 09, 2015, 10:04:11 PM
What do we actually want here? When the county team don't do well, we're always moaning about how far behind we are , etc...

Now we're in a final in HQ, chance for a wee trophy. It's not ideal, but the fellas who play on that panel have made plenty of sacrifices to get to this stage - can we as club players not make some extra sacrifices as well? The season last year was much too short - when we were playing into October or November years ago, it was much better!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 09, 2015, 10:32:19 PM
County players rarely train with their clubs, they may turn up the odd time to training session to watch but seldom take part until released for a few sessions before the league begins, they then get a few weeks between being knocked out of the Championship and qualifiers but there is little crossover between the club/county season.

Many club players train equally as hard, train equally as often and make equally as many sacrifices as any county player so don't spout that shite.  The club season is dictated by the decision makers, the Down County Board.  They are the ones who determine when the league/championships start and end,so it is their fault that our club players will have had no football for 8 months between leagues ending and starting again.  Certain clubs who have many players on the county panel also exert too much influence.  It was different for some clubs last year when they didn't have as many on the county panel but then they lost their manager!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on April 09, 2015, 11:33:19 PM
Fact the County Board have no real interest in club football or club footballers its a box ticking exercise 2 weeks to prepare for a div 2 final while club players will be forced to play 3 games in a week.The first round games are going to be played on a Sunday cant be played on a Monday night because of county training.Do club players not suffer from burnout or does that only effect the county man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 09, 2015, 11:49:35 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 09, 2015, 04:41:58 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 09, 2015, 04:19:41 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on April 09, 2015, 04:04:57 PM
This is some msg to be sending the club players of Down: It's more important that county players get to rest than it is for club players to play! The officials that made this decision clearly have no regard for the clubs or their players. I wouldn't even star the first round of club games; if international rugby players can play two games in a week then why can't county players. If the county lads aren't playin for their clubs sure they'll be busting a gut in training to stay sharp or get in the team! Clubs need to stand up here.
`

If the same clowns had postponed the Club Championship in 2010 then we may have had a fit Ambrose and may have won the all Ireland.
There are no clowns making these decisions it's singular,one clown.

You are very wrong, no one makes decisions in Down other than the senior football manager and that's always been the way, Jim has those puppets comfortably on a string be under no illusions about that.

I can see both sides of the argument here to be honest, if I was county manager I would want the players fresh for a rare final appearance which after all this we better win. On the other hand, its not a great advert for our club games which is ultimately the heart and soul of our association and is sure to just continually piss the clubs off.

Either way I don't really give a f**k what happens because as a county in general we are going absolutely nowhere and have been since 2010.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 10, 2015, 09:24:02 AM
The Down Way
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on April 10, 2015, 10:14:40 AM
We are going absolutely somewhere - Division 1 (and Croke Park).

redandblackareback - you do give a f#ck. That's why your post is, for want of a better word, 'emotional'.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 10, 2015, 10:47:41 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 09, 2015, 07:55:13 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 09, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
  Sure the players have been training on consecutive nights so I wouldn't
be worried too much about player welfare in this case.

You seriously think that teams have been training on the field two nights running in preparation for the start of the league, I don't think so.  Player welfare would dictate putting the game after the league final off to avoid injury but this game is going ahead, clowns isn't the word.  Club teams have been preparing for weeks for the start of the league but now hundreds of players are left wondering why they even bother when games will be changed willy nilly.

Our County Board didn't even have the belief in our team to factor in the possibility of reaching the final into our masters fixture list, shows you how much faith the had in the new management and current players.  These tubes are an absolute joke.

The full statement from DCB is below:

A Chara

A request has been made to CCC by the Management and Players of the Down Senior Football Panel to assist their preparations for the Allianz Division Two League Final by postponing Round 1 of Division One and Two of the O Neills All County Football League. CCC have considered the request and are opposed to starring the fixtures and would therefore propose that Round 1 be moved in it's entirety to Sunday 10th May. County Team management have agreed that there will be no further deviation from the All County Football League programme as outlined in the fixture calendar. We appreciate the support of the Clubs in this instance as the County Team prepares for a National Final. With all the Gaels in Down we wish players and management every success in the League Final on April 26th.

Is Mise
Seán Óg Mac an tSaoir

I would love to know if (1) The county management will stick to this, (2) not the county management but the CCC may see further deviation from the League programme (3) the reasons why CCC are opposed to starring this round of fixtures..

They may appreciate the support of clubs in this instance but I don't think they will get it.
What I mean is the County players are used to activity two days in a row. I wasn't talking about Club players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 10, 2015, 10:50:24 AM
Quote from: SamFever on April 10, 2015, 10:47:41 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 09, 2015, 07:55:13 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 09, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
  Sure the players have been training on consecutive nights so I wouldn't
be worried too much about player welfare in this case.

You seriously think that teams have been training on the field two nights running in preparation for the start of the league, I don't think so.  Player welfare would dictate putting the game after the league final off to avoid injury but this game is going ahead, clowns isn't the word.  Club teams have been preparing for weeks for the start of the league but now hundreds of players are left wondering why they even bother when games will be changed willy nilly.

Our County Board didn't even have the belief in our team to factor in the possibility of reaching the final into our masters fixture list, shows you how much faith the had in the new management and current players.  These tubes are an absolute joke.

The full statement from DCB is below:

A Chara

A request has been made to CCC by the Management and Players of the Down Senior Football Panel to assist their preparations for the Allianz Division Two League Final by postponing Round 1 of Division One and Two of the O Neills All County Football League. CCC have considered the request and are opposed to starring the fixtures and would therefore propose that Round 1 be moved in it's entirety to Sunday 10th May. County Team management have agreed that there will be no further deviation from the All County Football League programme as outlined in the fixture calendar. We appreciate the support of the Clubs in this instance as the County Team prepares for a National Final. With all the Gaels in Down we wish players and management every success in the League Final on April 26th.

Is Mise
Seán Óg Mac an tSaoir

I would love to know if (1) The county management will stick to this, (2) not the county management but the CCC may see further deviation from the League programme (3) the reasons why CCC are opposed to starring this round of fixtures..

They may appreciate the support of clubs in this instance but I don't think they will get it.
What I mean is the County players are used to activity two days in a row. I wasn't talking about Club players

Activity, yes, but two competitive matches with possible consumption of celebratory liquid in-between, no.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 10, 2015, 10:57:15 AM
I am all for supporting the County team, as we all are and I can understand why Jim doesnt want his boys playing the first round of club games.  However, it doesnt make sense to me that a club game, 1 week before the league final should be called off while club games, 1 DAY after the league final are to be played.  Will county players play on the Monday night after having a game in Croke Park the day before?
Really the mistake was made when the fixtures were announced when this wasnt factored into the equation.  Once we did, there was always going to be someone unhappy one way or the other.  There was an article recently about county players in Kerry and how they play at least 20 club games a year.  Doesnt harm them!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 10, 2015, 11:15:22 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on April 10, 2015, 10:57:15 AM
I am all for supporting the County team, as we all are and I can understand why Jim doesnt want his boys playing the first round of club games.  However, it doesnt make sense to me that a club game, 1 week before the league final should be called off while club games, 1 DAY after the league final are to be played.  Will county players play on the Monday night after having a game in Croke Park the day before?
Really the mistake was made when the fixtures were announced when this wasnt factored into the equation.  Once we did, there was always going to be someone unhappy one way or the other.  There was an article recently about county players in Kerry and how they play at least 20 club games a year.  Doesnt harm them!!
Have Clubs been informed that Round 1 is definitely postponed or is it a proposal to the Clubs looking for
support for the idea?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 10, 2015, 11:44:26 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 10, 2015, 11:15:22 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on April 10, 2015, 10:57:15 AM
I am all for supporting the County team, as we all are and I can understand why Jim doesnt want his boys playing the first round of club games.  However, it doesnt make sense to me that a club game, 1 week before the league final should be called off while club games, 1 DAY after the league final are to be played.  Will county players play on the Monday night after having a game in Croke Park the day before?
Really the mistake was made when the fixtures were announced when this wasnt factored into the equation.  Once we did, there was always going to be someone unhappy one way or the other.  There was an article recently about county players in Kerry and how they play at least 20 club games a year.  Doesnt harm them!!
Have Clubs been informed that Round 1 is definitely postponed or is it a proposal to the Clubs looking for
support for the idea?
The county Board don't look for support,they'll do what they think is right for Down.  It mightn't please everyone but that's the way it is.
The leagues should have been scheduled to start tonight with the next round next friday and that round could have refixed if we were to get
through to the League final. County training and a  training week in London is what dictates all these matches being on on irregular dates.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outback on April 10, 2015, 11:52:57 AM
  Folks, we are in a Div 2 Final,let's be happy, there'll be plenty of league and meaningful championship
football with the new backdoor system and as someone said about the season ending for most teams at the end of Aug,play
this postponed round then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on April 10, 2015, 01:44:21 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 10, 2015, 10:50:24 AM
Quote from: SamFever on April 10, 2015, 10:47:41 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 09, 2015, 07:55:13 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 09, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
  Sure the players have been training on consecutive nights so I wouldn't
be worried too much about player welfare in this case.

You seriously think that teams have been training on the field two nights running in preparation for the start of the league, I don't think so.  Player welfare would dictate putting the game after the league final off to avoid injury but this game is going ahead, clowns isn't the word.  Club teams have been preparing for weeks for the start of the league but now hundreds of players are left wondering why they even bother when games will be changed willy nilly.

Our County Board didn't even have the belief in our team to factor in the possibility of reaching the final into our masters fixture list, shows you how much faith the had in the new management and current players.  These tubes are an absolute joke.

The full statement from DCB is below:

A Chara

A request has been made to CCC by the Management and Players of the Down Senior Football Panel to assist their preparations for the Allianz Division Two League Final by postponing Round 1 of Division One and Two of the O Neills All County Football League. CCC have considered the request and are opposed to starring the fixtures and would therefore propose that Round 1 be moved in it's entirety to Sunday 10th May. County Team management have agreed that there will be no further deviation from the All County Football League programme as outlined in the fixture calendar. We appreciate the support of the Clubs in this instance as the County Team prepares for a National Final. With all the Gaels in Down we wish players and management every success in the League Final on April 26th.

Is Mise
Seán Óg Mac an tSaoir

I would love to know if (1) The county management will stick to this, (2) not the county management but the CCC may see further deviation from the League programme (3) the reasons why CCC are opposed to starring this round of fixtures..

They may appreciate the support of clubs in this instance but I don't think they will get it.
What I mean is the County players are used to activity two days in a row. I wasn't talking about Club players

Activity, yes, but two competitive matches with possible consumption of celebratory liquid in-between, no.

1983 we won proper NFL v Armagh on Sunday with full round of league games on Monday night if any of you old enough to remember

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 10, 2015, 01:47:35 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on April 10, 2015, 10:57:15 AM
I am all for supporting the County team, as we all are and I can understand why Jim doesnt want his boys playing the first round of club games.  However, it doesnt make sense to me that a club game, 1 week before the league final should be called off while club games, 1 DAY after the league final are to be played.  Will county players play on the Monday night after having a game in Croke Park the day before?
Really the mistake was made when the fixtures were announced when this wasnt factored into the equation.  Once we did, there was always going to be someone unhappy one way or the other.  There was an article recently about county players in Kerry and how they play at least 20 club games a year.  Doesnt harm them!!

This gets on my tits, they're not 'Jim's boys', they're club players first and foremost. Clubs get the call or they should do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 10, 2015, 02:02:03 PM
Quote from: The Raven on April 10, 2015, 01:44:21 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 10, 2015, 10:50:24 AM
Quote from: SamFever on April 10, 2015, 10:47:41 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 09, 2015, 07:55:13 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 09, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
  Sure the players have been training on consecutive nights so I wouldn't
be worried too much about player welfare in this case.

You seriously think that teams have been training on the field two nights running in preparation for the start of the league, I don't think so.  Player welfare would dictate putting the game after the league final off to avoid injury but this game is going ahead, clowns isn't the word.  Club teams have been preparing for weeks for the start of the league but now hundreds of players are left wondering why they even bother when games will be changed willy nilly.

Our County Board didn't even have the belief in our team to factor in the possibility of reaching the final into our masters fixture list, shows you how much faith the had in the new management and current players.  These tubes are an absolute joke.

The full statement from DCB is below:

A Chara

A request has been made to CCC by the Management and Players of the Down Senior Football Panel to assist their preparations for the Allianz Division Two League Final by postponing Round 1 of Division One and Two of the O Neills All County Football League. CCC have considered the request and are opposed to starring the fixtures and would therefore propose that Round 1 be moved in it's entirety to Sunday 10th May. County Team management have agreed that there will be no further deviation from the All County Football League programme as outlined in the fixture calendar. We appreciate the support of the Clubs in this instance as the County Team prepares for a National Final. With all the Gaels in Down we wish players and management every success in the League Final on April 26th.

Is Mise
Seán Óg Mac an tSaoir

I would love to know if (1) The county management will stick to this, (2) not the county management but the CCC may see further deviation from the League programme (3) the reasons why CCC are opposed to starring this round of fixtures..

They may appreciate the support of clubs in this instance but I don't think they will get it.
What I mean is the County players are used to activity two days in a row. I wasn't talking about Club players

Activity, yes, but two competitive matches with possible consumption of celebratory liquid in-between, no.

1983 we won proper NFL v Armagh on Sunday with full round of league games on Monday night if any of you old enough to remember

Not sure what proper refers to.

That may be the case, doesn't mean it was the right thing to do!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 10, 2015, 03:56:44 PM
To be honest this Div 2 final is a nothing game, the prize is promotion which we have, no tin pot required. yes i will go along to it and hope we win, but the real focus should be Derry on June 7th.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 10, 2015, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 10, 2015, 02:35:07 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 10, 2015, 01:47:35 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on April 10, 2015, 10:57:15 AM
I am all for supporting the County team, as we all are and I can understand why Jim doesnt want his boys playing the first round of club games.  However, it doesnt make sense to me that a club game, 1 week before the league final should be called off while club games, 1 DAY after the league final are to be played.  Will county players play on the Monday night after having a game in Croke Park the day before?
Really the mistake was made when the fixtures were announced when this wasnt factored into the equation.  Once we did, there was always going to be someone unhappy one way or the other.  There was an article recently about county players in Kerry and how they play at least 20 club games a year.  Doesnt harm them!!

This gets on my tits, they're not 'Jim's boys', they're club players first and foremost. Clubs get the call or they should do.
and that sort of attitude is why  " Mickey's boys are still playing Div 4  Hurling.  It'll do no harm for the County men
to play in consecutive days.It's done in the Fitzgibbon and in Sigerson.

Mickeys boys are playing in Div 4 hurling as they just aren't good enough. The reason they aren't good enough is that the clubs in Down have fallen back a bit in standard, none more so that ourselves, and one of the reasons for that we loose half a dozen hurlers for months on end to the Mickeys and their mad training schedules, all the while we struggle to get decent numbers at training to raise the standard.

I've no problems players playing two days on the bounce, but expect injuries..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 11, 2015, 06:32:39 PM
Down on a training camp in London at the minute - is this the reason our leagues haven't started yet?  In the past we have always had games on Easter Monday or Tuesday.

https://twitter.com/LiRFC (https://twitter.com/LiRFC)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 11, 2015, 08:45:22 PM
A booze fuelled weekend from some pictures doing the rounds at present.I wonder do the county board fund the drinking to.Im all for lads having a drink but this is just a piss take and sticks two fingers up to the clubs and more importantly the club player.They can drink no problem but can't play a game?Disgrace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 11, 2015, 09:28:09 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on April 10, 2015, 10:14:40 AM
We are going absolutely somewhere - Division 1 (and Croke Park).

redandblackareback - you do give a f#ck. That's why your post is, for want of a better word, 'emotional'.

I stopped giving a fxxk Aristo last summer when I paid hard earned money to travel to Omagh and also purchase tickets for the replay in Newry only to discover some of "Jim's Boys" decided to clear off on a lads holiday, club players wouldn't even do it. The same boys the teams being built around now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 11, 2015, 10:06:07 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 11, 2015, 08:45:22 PM
A booze fuelled weekend from some pictures doing the rounds at present.I wonder do the county board fund the drinking to.Im all for lads having a drink but this is just a piss take and sticks two fingers up to the clubs and more importantly the club player.They can drink no problem but can't play a game?Disgrace.

Hardly.

What pictures are these?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 11, 2015, 10:24:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 11, 2015, 08:45:22 PM
A booze fuelled weekend from some pictures doing the rounds at present.I wonder do the county board fund the drinking to.Im all for lads having a drink but this is just a piss take and sticks two fingers up to the clubs and more importantly the club player.They can drink no problem but can't play a game?Disgrace.

Some training camp then?  Every other county in Ireland can put a professional camp together but what do we do, do a bit of training and then go on the sauce.  I guarantee you that club players are looking after themselves in preparation for the start of the league (belatedly now) but now they see their club team mates out on the raz, what does that say about the sacrifices they are making?

There is also the fact that they are putting up two fingers at our supporters and sponsors, many of us follow Down all over the place.  The likes of Club Down, the Down Supporters Club and the private individuals who put up the money for this camp (we are broke after all) these people put their hard earned cash into this joke of a set up for what in return?  Bad manners and disrespect.  Its not on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 11, 2015, 10:41:23 PM
Need to wind it in a bit there.they hardly got promoted to division one of the league by going on the sauce every weekend.for all we know it could be one last blow out before a serious period of training for championship.fans don't pay these boys,if you hand over your money to go watch the team,you're getting something in return.always find it nauseating to hear people commenting on a grown man's drinking habits.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 11, 2015, 10:52:26 PM
Quote from: east down gael on April 11, 2015, 10:41:23 PM
Need to wind it in a bit there.they hardly got promoted to division one of the league by going on the sauce every weekend.for all we know it could be one last blow out before a serious period of training for championship.fans don't pay these boys,if you hand over your money to go watch the team,you're getting something in return.always find it nauseating to hear people commenting on a grown man's drinking habits.

I'll make the point again in case you didn't understand, this was a training camp, a football training camp and not a drinking camp.  They can drink all they want at home but when the purpose of an intense, collective few days away is meant to prepare them for a league final and a championship campaign yet it turns into a session then its not on.  On another thread it can be seen that Cavan are in New York and Monaghan were in Portugal and I'm sure these camps were alot more professional than ours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 11, 2015, 10:58:15 PM
I take your point. I just think maybe a few boys on here are riled up that the start of the club season has been postponed and are venting towards the players. If they are out on the beer I wouldn't have a problem with it,they're a crowd of young fellas in London for the weekend. If it's ok by jim, who are we to judge.
    For what it's worth I'd be amazed if the boys in Portugal or New York weren't allowed a night on the beer. Sad state of affairs if you go to New York for a week and can't have a night out no?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 11, 2015, 11:11:14 PM
Quote from: east down gael on April 11, 2015, 10:58:15 PM
I take your point. I just think maybe a few boys on here are riled up that the start of the club season has been postponed and are venting towards the players. If they are out on the beer I wouldn't have a problem with it,they're a crowd of young fellas in London for the weekend. If it's ok by jim, who are we to judge.
    For what it's worth I'd be amazed if the boys in Portugal or New York weren't allowed a night on the beer. Sad state of affairs if you go to New York for a week and can't have a night out no?

It was the players and management who requested that the first round games be postponed according to the email from the county board so they are both equally to blame.  They are not a crowd of young fellas in London for the weekend, they are the Down team on a training weekend preparing for the league final and championship campaign.  I would imagine that the Cavan and Monaghan lads are bring professional about their preparation but sadly Down arent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 11, 2015, 11:17:23 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree there I'm afraid. They are a bunch of young lads, who give serious commitment for very little in return. If the management deem it okay for them to have a night out, I certainly couldn't begrudge them it. And what harm will it do them in all honesty, might even prove worthwhile.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 11, 2015, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: east down gael on April 11, 2015, 11:17:23 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree there I'm afraid. They are a bunch of young lads, who give serious commitment for very little in return. If the management deem it okay for them to have a night out, I certainly couldn't begrudge them it. And what harm will it do them in all honesty, might even prove worthwhile.
+1. alot of boys on here getting worked up over nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 12, 2015, 09:35:23 AM
I'm all for lads having a drink etc but after the players coming out and saying they could not play 10 days before a league final and to then go on a 2 day booze up on a training camp sticks 2 fingers up to the clubs and more importantly the players who train just as hard.(and it has been a 2 day drink up).And yes the pictures have been doing the rounds as the players are plastering them on text messages to their club mates thinking its funny.Disgrace.I for one will not be renewing my Club Down membership after this season ends.Is this where the money goes?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on April 12, 2015, 09:43:08 AM
Line ball wind ur neck in! These boys put so much effort in that the "fans" don't see ! So what they Are having a beer? Do you pay them? Typical gaa supporter you want a professional Approach yet you'd be the same boy saying it's a community game no one should get paid ! Joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 12, 2015, 09:50:20 AM
What about the club player the puts in so much effort that the fans don't see?Catch yourself on ok.Drink all they want but don't make a statement saying that they need all this time to prepare then go on a 2 days booze fuelled weekend and stick 2 fingers up to the 800+ club players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on April 12, 2015, 10:02:54 AM
Lads all 800 players would love to be on the down panel and don't say they wouldn't so to say they are all raging cause 30 elite players are away to London for a bonding session is madness ! It's April ask the question in October and see who cares about moving league back a week !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 12, 2015, 02:53:43 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 11, 2015, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: east down gael on April 11, 2015, 11:17:23 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree there I'm afraid. They are a bunch of young lads, who give serious commitment for very little in return. If the management deem it okay for them to have a night out, I certainly couldn't begrudge them it. And what harm will it do them in all honesty, might even prove worthwhile.
+1. alot of boys on here getting worked up over nothing.

+1

'Professional' camp for amateur players..good man. I would say it was a training camp both as a reward and for something different than training in the Abbey every night, as well as a bonding exercise. I doubt it was a 'booze fueled' weekend - that would be a stag. They probably had a drink or two alright and so what? Hardly as if it's going to detract from anything they've done long term. Team bonding with a bit of training is all part of it, and has definitely been underestimated here. Fair play to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 12, 2015, 04:11:18 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 12, 2015, 02:53:43 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 11, 2015, 11:22:46 PM
Quote from: east down gael on April 11, 2015, 11:17:23 PM
We'll have to agree to disagree there I'm afraid. They are a bunch of young lads, who give serious commitment for very little in return. If the management deem it okay for them to have a night out, I certainly couldn't begrudge them it. And what harm will it do them in all honesty, might even prove worthwhile.
+1. alot of boys on here getting worked up over nothing.

+1

'Professional' camp for amateur players..good man. I would say it was a training camp both as a reward and for something different than training in the Abbey every night, as well as a bonding exercise. I doubt it was a 'booze fueled' weekend - that would be a stag. They probably had a drink or two alright and so what? Hardly as if it's going to detract from anything they've done long term. Team bonding with a bit of training is all part of it, and has definitely been underestimated here. Fair play to them.
+1 aris. Good luck to them. I was at every league game and they put in a good shift. We will need everything we have plus more to survive in Division 1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on April 12, 2015, 04:16:46 PM
Just more evidence that club players are second class; the GPA should rename itself the Gaelic County-only Players Association
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 12, 2015, 09:42:48 PM
Some gurning on here. Promotion and a day out in Croker before the Championship. What's not to like? Down "fans" are fickle as f**k. Listening to some of the guff in the stands during the league campaign would make you wonder. Nothing new though, I remember back in the glory days Linden was yella, wee James was too greedy, Withnell was a soccer head, Breen, Deegan, Collins etc were from East Down and didn't have "it" in them. FFS dry your eyes and get behind the boys or stay at home and don't be annoying yourself or the rest of us. Nothing wrong with constructive criticism but some of the shite on here would sicken your hole.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on April 12, 2015, 10:01:03 PM
Amid this absolutely farcial commentary on players private lives, I would like to point out that RGU Downpatrick have pulled out of the Minor All County division and allegedly want to play 13- aside in the east down minor division 1. Can they not field? This current downpatrick team beat us in the feile at U14 and ran us close in the championship 2 years ago in U16. Very surprised at there election to drop down a tier.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on April 12, 2015, 10:53:33 PM
I'm against club games being put back. Down players on the drink? Big deal!!! Drink bans are a joke and fair play to Jim McCorry for having a bit of sense and not being like Davy Fitz in Clare. As long as drink doesn't affect their training or commitment then no problem!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 13, 2015, 11:41:25 AM
Did anyone else see the lovely letter recently circulated about finances, club down etc?
Bottom line is the county needs more money and they see club down as the vehicle by which to do this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on April 13, 2015, 01:43:57 PM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on April 12, 2015, 10:01:03 PM
Amid this absolutely farcial commentary on players private lives, I would like to point out that RGU Downpatrick have pulled out of the Minor All County division and allegedly want to play 13- aside in the east down minor division 1. Can they not field? This current downpatrick team beat us in the feile at U14 and ran us close in the championship 2 years ago in U16. Very surprised at there election to drop down a tier.
East Down Board should put them in division 2 as the Finn have pulled out. They are bound to win that league. God forbid they might have to play a few under 16's to make up the numbers, like most of the rural clubs in the county. I'm sure wherever they end up when you go to play them they will have 20 plus players togged out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on April 13, 2015, 01:51:41 PM
Does anyone know if the matches on the 27th April, the night after the national league final, are going ahead????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on April 13, 2015, 02:57:14 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 13, 2015, 11:41:25 AM
Did anyone else see the lovely letter recently circulated about finances, club down etc?
Bottom line is the county needs more money and they see club down as the vehicle by which to do this.

Did you up your contribution to £40 a month brick?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 14, 2015, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: imagine on April 13, 2015, 08:11:50 PM
Maybe the County could set aside a few  Euros and get our County a decent Website.
Terrible to try and navigate. About 10 clicks to get minimal info. National and Leinster
fixture-why?

Servasport Management system the GAA use - most counties will have the same fixture/results interface.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on April 14, 2015, 03:35:59 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 14, 2015, 03:10:43 PM
Quote from: imagine on April 13, 2015, 08:11:50 PM
Maybe the County could set aside a few  Euros and get our County a decent Website.
Terrible to try and navigate. About 10 clicks to get minimal info. National and Leinster
fixture-why?

Servasport Management system the GAA use - most counties will have the same fixture/results interface.
Fair enough point but why is Munster and Connaught not there then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on April 14, 2015, 05:43:47 PM
The reason is because no Down teams compete in Connaught and Munster competitions !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on April 15, 2015, 08:59:12 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 11, 2015, 10:24:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 11, 2015, 08:45:22 PM
A booze fuelled weekend from some pictures doing the rounds at present.I wonder do the county board fund the drinking to.Im all for lads having a drink but this is just a piss take and sticks two fingers up to the clubs and more importantly the club player.They can drink no problem but can't play a game?Disgrace.

Some training camp then?  Every other county in Ireland can put a professional camp together but what do we do, do a bit of training and then go on the sauce.  I guarantee you that club players are looking after themselves in preparation for the start of the league (belatedly now) but now they see their club team mates out on the raz, what does that say about the sacrifices they are making?

There is also the fact that they are putting up two fingers at our supporters and sponsors, many of us follow Down all over the place.  The likes of Club Down, the Down Supporters Club and the private individuals who put up the money for this camp (we are broke after all) these people put their hard earned cash into this joke of a set up for what in return?  Bad manners and disrespect.  Its not on.
Have you rounded up the heathens and burnt them at the cross for their drunken outrages in London? ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on April 15, 2015, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: wobbller on April 14, 2015, 02:28:56 PM
Quote from: imagine on April 13, 2015, 08:11:50 PM
Maybe the County could set aside a few  Euros and get our County a decent Website.
Terrible to try and navigate. About 10 clicks to get minimal info. National and Leinster
fixture-why?
A few Euros. ;D No chance!
As stated in the March edition of Extra Time we are getting a new revised website by the start of the leagues. Question: will this be live by Friday or the delayed league start date?  can't wait!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 15, 2015, 02:13:17 PM
Is there anywhere to view the findings of this Down Talent Development Plan?
Is there any further information on this other than POR is overseeing development within the county?
Can anyone here shed any light on this and the personnel/strategy employed to ensure successful development of our young players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 15, 2015, 03:17:53 PM
Surely this has to be a wind up? Paddy O Rourke? When was this announced, what exactly is the games and development managers role in this county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on April 15, 2015, 03:30:32 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 15, 2015, 11:35:57 AM
Quote from: The Raven on April 15, 2015, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: wobbller on April 14, 2015, 02:28:56 PM
Quote from: imagine on April 13, 2015, 08:11:50 PM
Maybe the County could set aside a few  Euros and get our County a decent Website.
Terrible to try and navigate. About 10 clicks to get minimal info. National and Leinster
fixture-why?
A few Euros. ;D No chance!
As stated in the March edition of Extra Time we are getting a new revised website by the start of the leagues. Question: will this be live by Friday or the delayed league start date?  can't wait!!!
As stated in more than a few editions of Extra Time and foolishly in the Irish News  we had a review of Development squads. This was known as the  Down Talent Development Plan (TDP)
    Meetings were held since the middle of 2013 all the while paying a Sports expert( expert in Hockey)  and employing a free state student as his Secretary to analyse our County's  "'talent development"'. A lot of work :D and money ;D and  we get to the end of it and the conclusion and action plan is; Wait for it.....................
 
   Paddy ORourke is in charge of Dev Squads.

   You couldn't make it up. Brilliant and innovative or what?
 
   
Does this include hurling development squads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 15, 2015, 04:30:27 PM
Quote from: The Raven on April 15, 2015, 03:30:32 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 15, 2015, 11:35:57 AM
Quote from: The Raven on April 15, 2015, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: wobbller on April 14, 2015, 02:28:56 PM
Quote from: imagine on April 13, 2015, 08:11:50 PM
Maybe the County could set aside a few  Euros and get our County a decent Website.
Terrible to try and navigate. About 10 clicks to get minimal info. National and Leinster
fixture-why?
A few Euros. ;D No chance!
As stated in the March edition of Extra Time we are getting a new revised website by the start of the leagues. Question: will this be live by Friday or the delayed league start date?  can't wait!!!
As stated in more than a few editions of Extra Time and foolishly in the Irish News  we had a review of Development squads. This was known as the  Down Talent Development Plan (TDP)
    Meetings were held since the middle of 2013 all the while paying a Sports expert( expert in Hockey)  and employing a free state student as his Secretary to analyse our County's  "'talent development"'. A lot of work :D and money ;D and  we get to the end of it and the conclusion and action plan is; Wait for it.....................
 
   Paddy ORourke is in charge of Dev Squads.

   You couldn't make it up. Brilliant and innovative or what?
 

Does this include hurling development squads


Probably.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 16, 2015, 10:42:23 AM
And if I don't have access to a 'county board person' to ask?
Sometimes this forum is better for getting the real story about these things.
I was genuinely wondering will there be a report made public or findings released with a strategy implemented.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 16, 2015, 12:19:02 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 16, 2015, 10:42:23 AM
And if I don't have access to a 'county board person' to ask?
Sometimes this forum is better for getting the real story about these things.
I was genuinely wondering will there be a report made public or findings released with a strategy implemented.

But most of the time not. Just like the Down booze fueled weekend training camp last week. Grossly exaggerated.

Similarly the treatment of POR in the last few posts. A lot more to a role like that than people realise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 16, 2015, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 16, 2015, 12:19:02 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 16, 2015, 10:42:23 AM
And if I don't have access to a 'county board person' to ask?
Sometimes this forum is better for getting the real story about these things.
I was genuinely wondering will there be a report made public or findings released with a strategy implemented.

But most of the time not. Just like the Down booze fueled weekend training camp last week. Grossly exaggerated.

Similarly the treatment of POR in the last few posts. A lot more to a role like that than people realise.
Treatment?   My post made no comment either good or bad of Paddy. Just the fact that he was appointed
and I didn't see anything disparaging in any of the other posts since.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 17, 2015, 12:22:54 AM
Quote from: wobbller on April 16, 2015, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 16, 2015, 12:19:02 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 16, 2015, 10:42:23 AM
And if I don't have access to a 'county board person' to ask?
Sometimes this forum is better for getting the real story about these things.
I was genuinely wondering will there be a report made public or findings released with a strategy implemented.

But most of the time not. Just like the Down booze fueled weekend training camp last week. Grossly exaggerated.

Similarly the treatment of POR in the last few posts. A lot more to a role like that than people realise.
Treatment?   My post made no comment either good or bad of Paddy. Just the fact that he was appointed
and I didn't see anything disparaging in any of the other posts since.

Fair enough if so, but your post emits the wrong impression if that is the case. It seems you are belittling the role/set up and so in turn the man in the role. Also redandblack's comments are hardly welcoming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Courtney on April 17, 2015, 12:27:37 AM
Listen , U 21 s,Minors and Development Squads are in utter chaos .
PO has been put in to oversee initially .Anybody who asks to be involved as a coach in Development Squads is accepted ,The Down Way.
Minor setup  a total joke with PO waiting in the wings to take over.

This year is a follow on from the disaster last year v Tyrone with the glove man on board now.
Now we are at the business end for the minors and not meaningless games in March Ulster League let's watch the results v Donegal on Saturday and Derry in championship.
The standards of behaviour and comments from them are maybe best suited in The Carnbane League.
Everything about Down Football has been so innovative recently , U21 s  F made a total mess of that but he
has the ear of the Boss , rumours circulating that he wants minors too....  PO won't like that .You couldn't make it up .

The silver lining has been seniors and these guys have been a credit and great ambassadors for Down Football , I'm sure they are embarrassed at what is happening down the ranks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 17, 2015, 08:08:55 AM
Quote from: supersub on April 17, 2015, 12:22:54 AM
Quote from: wobbller on April 16, 2015, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 16, 2015, 12:19:02 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 16, 2015, 10:42:23 AM
And if I don't have access to a 'county board person' to ask?
Sometimes this forum is better for getting the real story about these things.
I was genuinely wondering will there be a report made public or findings released with a strategy implemented.

But most of the time not. Just like the Down booze fueled weekend training camp last week. Grossly exaggerated.

Similarly the treatment of POR in the last few posts. A lot more to a role like that than people realise.
Treatment?   My post made no comment either good or bad of Paddy. Just the fact that he was appointed
and I didn't see anything disparaging in any of the other posts since.

Fair enough if so, but your post emits the wrong impression if that is the case. It seems you are belittling the role/set up and so in turn the man in the role. Also redandblack's comments are hardly welcoming.
Redandblack is responsible for his own posts.
I am not belittling the man,far from it,given his experience and achievements.  I most certainly am belittling  the process of how this occurred.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 17, 2015, 08:55:12 AM
Quote from: Courtney on April 17, 2015, 12:27:37 AM
Listen , U 21 s,Minors and Development Squads are in utter chaos .Explain Chaos if you will
PO has been put in to oversee initially .Anybody who asks to be involved as a coach in Development Squads is accepted ,The Down Way.
Minor setup  a total joke with PO waiting in the wings to take over.why is the minor set up a total joke. Sweeping statements are hard to believe with little back up. It may well be a joke but its hard to believe when you scattergun so much.

This year is a follow on from the disaster last year v Tyrone with the glove man on board now.A tad disrespectful to one of our most decorated players. Cue the backlash
Now we are at the business end for the minors and not meaningless games in March Ulster League let's watch the results v Donegal on Saturday and Derry in championship.
The standards of behaviour and comments from them are maybe best suited in The Carnbane League.Again what exactly are you referring to.
Everything about Down Football has been so innovative recently , U21 s  F made a total mess of that but he
has the ear of the Bossno idea what youre on about here. , rumours circulating that he wants minors too....  PO won't like that .You couldn't make it up .

The silver lining has been seniors and these guys have been a credit and great ambassadors for Down Football , I'm sure they are embarrassed at what is happening down the ranks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 17, 2015, 10:43:51 AM
That is one of the most cryptic messages I ever seen!! Explanations needed I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outback on April 17, 2015, 11:14:02 AM
Quote from: Courtney on April 17, 2015, 12:27:37 AM
Listen , U 21 s,Minors and Development Squads are in utter chaos .
PO has been put in to oversee initially .Anybody who asks to be involved as a coach in Development Squads is accepted ,The Down Way.
Minor setup  a total joke with PO waiting in the wings to take over.

This year is a follow on from the disaster last year v Tyrone with the glove man on board now.
Now we are at the business end for the minors and not meaningless games in March Ulster League let's watch the results v Donegal on Saturday and Derry in championship.
The standards of behaviour and comments from them are maybe best suited in The Carnbane League.
Everything about Down Football has been so innovative recently , U21 s  F made a total mess of that but he
has the ear of the Boss , rumours circulating that he wants minors too....  PO won't like that .You couldn't make it up .

The silver lining has been seniors and these guys have been a credit and great ambassadors for Down Football , I'm sure they are embarrassed at what is happening down the ranks.
So at least you finish up by something positive about Down Seniors. This talk about the Minors is really bugging you.What exactly is your issue?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 17, 2015, 12:49:10 PM
I have a feeling this man has it in for Shane Mulholland.And seems to know a lot about what's happening in Down development teams.Obviously this man is here to slate the minor management with the hope of pushing him out.Are u involved in the under 17 coaching staff by any chance?Or maybe a division 1 mid table team?And a disgusting comment about one of out most dedicated players of all time.If I was the minor management team I would keep an eye out for the back stabbers.Ive a feeling this poster is managing a team below you and wants your job!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 17, 2015, 12:59:15 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 17, 2015, 12:49:10 PM
I have a feeling this man has it in for Shane Mulholland.And seems to know a lot about what's happening in Down development teams.Obviously this man is here to slate the minor management with the hope of pushing him out.Are u involved in the under 17 coaching staff by any chance?Or maybe a division 1 mid table team?And a disgusting comment about one of out most dedicated players of all time.If I was the minor management team I would keep an eye out for the back stabbers.Ive a feeling this poster is managing a team below you and wants your job!


I can't see comments on GAA Board getting a county minor manager sacked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 17, 2015, 01:13:49 PM
Not getting him the sack sorry but degrading the man at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on April 17, 2015, 02:33:56 PM
  Quite pathetic all this.Should we not be looking forward for a day out in Dublin?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 17, 2015, 04:00:23 PM
Yeah, lets concentrate on the day out in Dublin.
Don't worry about discussing openly the future development of talent within the county and the strategies /personnel employed to oversee it all.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 17, 2015, 09:07:13 PM
As youth officer of our club and involved in coaching u16/18 teams this year and involved in underage coaching these past few years I know that there is a great emphasis being put into the development squads at the minute from POR and the county board. These have been kick started by Shane Mulholland last season who began with the u17s over the winter months. It's easy to sit behind a screen and discredit great volunteers in this county. In reality if you cannot put your name to slurs on this board then don't bother posting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 17, 2015, 09:36:48 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on November 05, 2014, 07:16:39 PM
MacRory football will always take precedence over early minor fixtures. It is one of the most prestigious competitions in Ulster football. Shane is the right man for the job and has been working over the year with development squads at u17 which has not seen a professionalism like this ever.
Tom,you seem to be quite a fan of Shane's . Do you support Liverpool as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 17, 2015, 10:04:59 PM
This is really laughable...we used to give off on here about the Hoganstand crew coming on giving off...looks like they are back and the minor management is the latest target this time...I'm sure Shane is quaking in his boots... :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 17, 2015, 10:14:24 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 17, 2015, 10:04:59 PM
This is really laughable...we used to give off on here about the Hoganstand crew coming on giving off...looks like they are back and the minor management is the latest target this time...I'm sure Shane is quaking in his boots... :-\
I'm a fan also of Shane not Liverpool though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 18, 2015, 11:35:48 AM
Spring is here and no Senior
Football played yet. 😈
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 18, 2015, 04:13:07 PM
down minors well beaten by donegal in the ulster league semi today. 3-10 to 1-8. plenty of ammo again for critics of the minor set up, which i know there is plenty and not just from posters on here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on April 18, 2015, 06:05:08 PM
Bit of an experimental down lineup today against Donegal but they were trounced, even with vital players back from injury. Surprised to see conor cox start corner forward but he was obviously pulled out the field as a sweeper.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shanemulholland on April 18, 2015, 07:32:45 PM
Keyboard warriors! Laughable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: centre 3/4s on April 18, 2015, 10:32:44 PM
Who else makes up the management panel for the Minors apart from Shane?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 19, 2015, 08:24:05 PM
Any word on if the Senior Leagues are definitely starting next Monday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on April 19, 2015, 09:56:38 PM
Quote from: Courtney on April 17, 2015, 12:27:37 AM
Listen , U 21 s,Minors and Development Squads are in utter chaos .
PO has been put in to oversee initially .Anybody who asks to be involved as a coach in Development Squads is accepted ,The Down Way.
Minor setup  a total joke with PO waiting in the wings to take over.

This year is a follow on from the disaster last year v Tyrone with the glove man on board now.
Now we are at the business end for the minors and not meaningless games in March Ulster League let's watch the results v Donegal on Saturday and Derry in championship.
The standards of behaviour and comments from them are maybe best suited in The Carnbane League.
Everything about Down Football has been so innovative recently , U21 s  F made a total mess of that but he
has the ear of the Boss , rumours circulating that he wants minors too....  PO won't like that .You couldn't make it up .

The silver lining has been seniors and these guys have been a credit and great ambassadors for Down Football , I'm sure they are embarrassed at what is happening down the ranks.


Courtney you tube you're making an edjit out of yourself once again, what's your problem with the minor management?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 20, 2015, 08:28:58 AM
Courtney or a relative has been obviously passed
over by Shane.Sour grapes coming out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fairplay on April 21, 2015, 04:15:01 PM
  All very quiet here. Are we not in Croke Park on Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on April 21, 2015, 04:17:38 PM
the guys have fallen out with each other over the minor management.

I'm looking forward to Sunday. I think we all believe that on a different day we'd have beaten Roscommon in Newry. So I go in belief and expect a win by a few points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fairplay on April 21, 2015, 04:31:11 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on April 21, 2015, 04:17:38 PM
the guys have fallen out with each other over the minor management.

I'm looking forward to Sunday. I think we all believe that on a different day we'd have beaten Roscommon in Newry. So I go in belief and expect a win by a few points.
It would be the size of their team that would worry me but football wise we'd be better especially if
this weather keeps up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 22, 2015, 08:13:10 AM
 I see the games are definitely being played on Monday night.
Good to be up and running although I remember  last year
there were complaints that too much Club Football had occurred
so early,that'll not be the case this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 23, 2015, 10:01:18 PM
Good luck to Down on Sunday

The Down team
Kane
Collins
Howard
Turley
O'Hagan
McArdle
McGovern
Turley
Devlin
Maginn
McKernan
Poland
Laverty
Mooney
O'Hare
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 24, 2015, 11:09:32 AM
Quote from: umpire on April 23, 2015, 10:01:18 PM
Good luck to Down on Sunday

The Down team
Kane
Collins
Howard
Turley
O'Hagan
McArdle
McGovern
Turley
Devlin
Maginn
McKernan
Poland
Laverty
Mooney
O'Hare

Good luck to the lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 24, 2015, 12:02:07 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on April 24, 2015, 11:09:32 AM
Quote from: umpire on April 23, 2015, 10:01:18 PM
Good luck to Down on Sunday

The Down team
Kane
Collins
Howard
Turley
O'Hagan
McArdle
McGovern
Turley
Devlin
Maginn
McKernan
Poland
Laverty
Mooney
O'Hare

Good luck to the lads

Is it not Crazy playing McKernan in this game?  another black card and he will miss Derry on June 7th.
Surely priorities need to be looked at here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 24, 2015, 12:26:00 PM
Do you always believe the team that's released.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on April 24, 2015, 01:08:58 PM
McCorry's have been largely accurate to date. No?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 24, 2015, 01:26:27 PM
McKernan is an experienced player and will be well aware of the criteria covering deliberate actions leading to a black card. The problem is an instinctive reaction or a refereeing error could still result in a suspension, and there must be a fair chance that he will be held back on the bench until some stage in the second half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fairplay on April 25, 2015, 01:55:44 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 24, 2015, 01:26:27 PM
McKernan is an experienced player and will be well aware of the criteria covering deliberate actions leading to a black card. The problem is an instinctive reaction or a refereeing error could still result in a suspension, and there must be a fair chance that he will be held back on the bench until some stage in the second half.
Premier Sports covering the matches as well as Tg4 as I'm overseas this weekend. McKernan playing
iis a big gamble.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 25, 2015, 09:35:32 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 24, 2015, 01:26:27 PM
McKernan is an experienced player and will be well aware of the criteria covering deliberate actions leading to a black card. The problem is an instinctive reaction or a refereeing error could still result in a suspension, and there must be a fair chance that he will be held back on the bench until some stage in the second half.
Wrap it up whatever you want here. He really should not start or even be risked.
I'd rather we'd be in with a chance of an Ulster Semi-final appearance than win
a meaningless Div 2 title.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 25, 2015, 10:06:05 AM
Quote from: wobbller on April 25, 2015, 09:35:32 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 24, 2015, 01:26:27 PM
McKernan is an experienced player and will be well aware of the criteria covering deliberate actions leading to a black card. The problem is an instinctive reaction or a refereeing error could still result in a suspension, and there must be a fair chance that he will be held back on the bench until some stage in the second half.
Wrap it up whatever you want here. He really should not start or even be risked.
I'd rather we'd be in with a chance of an Ulster Semi-final appearance than win
a meaningless Div 2 title.
You are totally wrong there. It is far from a meaningless game. It is a league final in croke park. Every player will want to play in it and a lot of supporters will want to see it. Certainly does not sound like a meaningless game to me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on April 25, 2015, 11:55:14 AM
Complete nonsense this debate wheather McKernan should play tomorrow or not. There is only one answer, he should play. Knowing kevin he will avoid another black, he's one of most intelligent players about and will know not to put himself at risk.
Do you think if we beat Derry and Kevin gets black then people will say don't play him in ulster semi final cause he may miss the final? Will they hell.
For anyone to say he shouldn't play in a national final is deluded. You never no what's round the corner in life and in football so you take things as they come.
Best of luck to the lads tomorrow, I think it's vital that cup comes up the road. Been too long since a national title has resided in the mournes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 25, 2015, 01:50:18 PM
Totally agreed with above posts from Down Follower and Mid Down Gael
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 25, 2015, 03:18:28 PM
Hope I'm wrong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 25, 2015, 03:54:45 PM
Not saying we wouldn't really want him for the Derry game but what will be will be. If he plays tomorrow he will put his whole heart into it as always.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 25, 2015, 07:36:24 PM
definitely not a meaningless match. winning some silverware would give this panel of players a major boost ahead of the summer. winning a cup of any sort is not to be sneezed at and hopefully jim and the boys can do it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 26, 2015, 08:55:32 AM
So the line-up is announced but what will the team really be. we will play two up front and one will be O'Hare, so will Laverty or Mooney drop back? Will McKernan play midfield with Devlin moving up to half-forwards? Will Maginn drop back as sweeper? My Guess is;

                          Kane
         Collins - Howard - Turley
O'Hagan - McCardle - Maginn - McGovern
               McKernan - Turley
         Mooney - Poland - Devlin
                  Lavery-O'Hare

One thing I am happy with is  that we have proper defenders in the half back line. But midfield still troubles me, too much pressure on Turley. I really think Mallon is required in there or make a solid commitment to develop Madine.

As for McKernan - This is not the most important match and he knows it. It is not worth getting  a black card for. Black cards need fairly deliberate fouls so he can choose not to get one. If the tackle is in question he will, hopefully, be told to let the man go and concede a point rather than get a black and suspension. He could pick up a yellow fairly handy but a black is unlikely unless he really chooses to trip or rugby tackle someone.

It is a lesser final but it is a final and it is in Croke Park. He will want to play and deserves to play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 26, 2015, 05:32:00 PM
Pure dung. Ref was seriously wrong in
the sending off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 26, 2015, 06:01:11 PM
Cue the sugarcoating and application of gloss.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 26, 2015, 06:50:14 PM
Simple problem - midfield!!

We have failed to break even in every game (except maybe the Westmeath match). We are outfielded and out thought. At one point in the first half we lost six of our own kick outs in a row. Our defence actually did OK for 60 minutes when you consider how much ball was coming back at them from Roscommon midfield dominance. They had plenty of turnovers.

Our forwards do not break fast enough but go long periods without opportunities, once again, due to the midfield surrender.

I don't agree the referee was wrong about Brendan Mccardle. He committed two holding offences and was correctly yellow carded for each. what was wrong was that multiple players committed multiple offences and were not carded. I would not complain if Deegan had consistently given a yellow card to each player committing holding offences instead of bizarrely deciding only to apply the rules to Benny McCradle. Being this strict consistently would have seen at least one or two Roscommon players double booked by the last ten minutes as they committed a lot of holding around 45m after they scored the goal and wanted to protect the lead.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 26, 2015, 07:03:28 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 26, 2015, 06:01:11 PM
Cue the sugarcoating and application of gloss.
dont think anyone can sugarcoat that performance.  it was a really disappointing display, granted one which wasnt helped by the ridiculous red card shown to benny mcardle but even before that down were struggling and were 2nd best all over the field. alot of work needed before derry.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on April 26, 2015, 07:27:58 PM
Down will continue to have problems as long as mc corry displays this blind loyalty towards kilcoo players. As for mc ardle he was getting taken to the cleaners before he got the line. Our luck ran out today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on April 26, 2015, 07:28:14 PM
The positives from the day look to be that every forward scored and we were in it with 14 men until maybe the last 10-15 minutes. Ignoring the 16th man I thought ros got some fine points particularly in the second half from wide positions.

What else was good about down? The supporters certainly turned up, looked from where I was sitting to have outnumbered the opposition 5-1! But supporters don't win trophies.

I always think if down aren't creating goal chances there ain't a hope in hell of winning. No threat today.

hard to know where this defeat will bring us. Saw McIver scouting in the hoganstand he'll hardly be be unduly concerned you'd think. He's seen the importance of our key men, and he'll no doubt have seen a few of our passengers too.

Maybe our boys just didn't want it enough today but you'd have to be a fool to back them on June 7. Hope I'm wrong.





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on April 26, 2015, 08:09:08 PM
Quote from: elk on April 26, 2015, 07:27:58 PM
Down will continue to have problems as long as mc corry displays this blind loyalty towards kilcoo players. As for mc ardle he was getting taken to the cleaners before he got the line. Our luck ran out today.

Some things never change in Down-Mc Corry favouring Kilcoo players....not so long ago Wee James was accused of favouring Burren men... :-[ :-[
Down have a limited County panel who have exceeded expectations in acheiving promotion to Div. 1 whereas Roscommon are a county on an increasingly upward curve.
Mc Corry will have Down well prepared for Celtic Park .....despite the limitations of his squad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on April 26, 2015, 09:20:21 PM
just imagine the Derry mid-field against ours. We will be living on scraps and start quoting the 94 first round.Look who we had at mid-field then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 26, 2015, 09:57:04 PM
You get to Croke Park, expecting a big performance with hunger and aggression and we deliver a lifeless exhibition like that, very disappointing.

Typical first game, second game scenario where we looked like the Minors playing in the first game with the big Seniors coming on after us and showed the wee lads how football should really be played.

Getting to this final is just papering over the cracks as we didn't even deserve to be there as we showed today.  I'd just give Derry a walkover at this stage if today is the best we have to offer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 26, 2015, 10:28:08 PM
And what's your solution?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on April 26, 2015, 11:11:07 PM
Offensive enough there from 'Line Ball'. What's the point in being negative when you offer no solution? I personally think that we gave up today in order not to show out true strengths and give away too much before the championship, unlike Monaghan who have completely given away their true tactics against Dublin and are no longer a surprise package as everyone knows what they're now capable of come championships time. I wouldn't exactly read too much into that game however there are some evident problems and cracks in the team. The midfield is the most glaring problem and I believe we have the players but I still don't know why the same combination is tried every time. Also, the 2 man fullforward line has been completely ousted and it no longer works. However positives to take out of that game were some of the good defensive play, especially form Darren O'Hagan and Conal McGovern, and great pressure on the ball from multiple men. It's tough enough to see what will happen come Celtic park but that game imo is not an indicator for anything. Derry will be non the wiser after that dismal display today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 27, 2015, 08:14:30 AM
If the dublin management, with a huge squad at their disposal still see an opportunity to bring in the experience of Alan Brogan for the championship, would it be wise for Down to do the same with Gordon and Ambrose. One in midfield and one at ff would make a big difference.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 27, 2015, 10:03:48 AM
Quote from: Shamrocks Gaelp on April 26, 2015, 11:11:07 PM
Offensive enough there from 'Line Ball'. What's the point in being negative when you offer no solution? I personally think that we gave up today in order not to show out true strengths and give away too much before the championship, unlike Monaghan who have completely given away their true tactics against Dublin and are no longer a surprise package as everyone knows what they're now capable of come championships time. I wouldn't exactly read too much into that game however there are some evident problems and cracks in the team. The midfield is the most glaring problem and I believe we have the players but I still don't know why the same combination is tried every time. Also, the 2 man fullforward line has been completely ousted and it no longer works. However positives to take out of that game were some of the good defensive play, especially form Darren O'Hagan and Conal McGovern, and great pressure on the ball from multiple men. It's tough enough to see what will happen come Celtic park but that game imo is not an indicator for anything. Derry will be non the wiser after that dismal display today

That right there, is the biggest pile of shite ive read on here in a long time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alba2 on April 27, 2015, 11:05:59 AM
Poor enough showing yesterday.  But there are a few positives to take from it.  Even on limited possession - DOnal O'hare did rightly (compared to his last two performances), Peter Fitzpatrick got game time and will surely push for a starting berth against Derry now, Madine getting fitter over the next 5-6 weeks will help his cause for a start.  Thought Mooney showed rightly in flashes today and hit a beautiful point.  Now the club scene starts tonight and hopefully a few fringe players get a bit of recognition with their displays and push on for the Derry game. All is not lost yet.... 
On another point - Croke park when the dubs are playing is some atmosphere.  Yes they think they own it etc - but the buzz their supporters bring to the place is class.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 27, 2015, 11:22:33 AM
Thought Down did ok with only 14 men - actually thought we played better football when we went down a man than we had with 15 although it def took its toll in the last 10.  We are trying to play a blanket yet we are nowhere near the expertise at playing it compared to Donegal/Monaghan/Tyrone. It looks like it doesnt suit us yet when we open up a bit like what happened yesterday we conecede massive totals.
We still have good footballers and dangerous players, McKernan is a super attacking threat, Laverty and Mooney if/when they gain an understanding of each other will be seriously dangerous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 27, 2015, 12:20:10 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 27, 2015, 08:14:30 AM
If the dublin management, with a huge squad at their disposal still see an opportunity to bring in the experience of Alan Brogan for the championship, would it be wise for Down to do the same with Gordon and Ambrose. One in midfield and one at ff would make a big difference.

totally Agree, Ambrose was a few rows behind me yesterday in the Hogan, looked fit and well. Down were poor yesterday all this hand passing its no better than Rugby League , not one guy can take a shot from any distance. Kick passing virtually non existent. Big Dan and Ambrose would massively inprove that Down team. I believe our defence has improved under McCorry, but it was a poor performance yesterday.  I think we have now lost  4 ulster finals, 4 league finals and an All Ireland Final since 1994 did someone put a curse on us?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 27, 2015, 02:29:48 PM
All in all it was nice to get a run out in croker but far from the performance that we would have wanted and can't see derry being too worried watching it. I think some posters on here need to get over the fantasy of Ambrose and Gordon making themselves available. If they didn't want to play during the hard winter months and league then you can be sure McCory won't be banging at their doors to get them back. We have limited big men in the county and we just have to work a game plan around securing primary possession through kick outs without relying on breaking even in midfield. I'm sure Aidan Carr wouldn't have imagined going from our top scorer in 2013 to being a make shift full back. Surely conor garvey would have been better suited for this role. PD probably had his quietest game this year. Mooney sort of burst into the game on and off. I don't know whether i'm expecting too much from someone who has played professional football for 3 years. He should be running about the pitch all game with energy to spare (barring his asthmatic problem). His skills are a little rusty too but with games starting now for Rostrevor he will benefit from the extra games. To sum up this post our defense was good and forced roscommon into kicking some amazing points which on another day could have all gone wide. Our midfield was non existent but this has now become a given expectation. Our forwards worked well on limited supplies and competed well. (No need to mention the bizarre sending off) 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 27, 2015, 02:49:17 PM
I would argue that Gordon and Rodgers have proved themselves at the highest level, both have suffered injuries in recent years and slogging through winter is unlikely to have benefitted either of them. For the benefit of the squad they could have been accomodated. Kerry done it for Declan Osullivan last year and reaped the rewards, Dublin are doing similar with Alan Brogan this year, I think the two players in question have done enough over the years to have earned a bit of leeway. I understand McCrory might be taking a long term view with the squad but in a few weeks time against Derry id be more confident with them on board. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 27, 2015, 03:05:49 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 27, 2015, 02:49:17 PM
I would argue that Gordon and Rodgers have proved themselves at the highest level, both have suffered injuries in recent years and slogging through winter is unlikely to have benefitted either of them. For the benefit of the squad they could have been accomodated. Kerry done it for Declan Osullivan last year and reaped the rewards, Dublin are doing similar with Alan Brogan this year, I think the two players in question have done enough over the years to have earned a bit of leeway. I understand McCrory might be taking a long term view with the squad but in a few weeks time against Derry id be more confident with them on board.

I agree that they have been great servants to Down over the hard years but with a new manager its effectively a clean slate for everyone. I would understand if James was in charge as he knows their capabilities but McCory will have only played against them a few times with Kilcoo and won't know if they fit into his plans. Have either of them confirmed they are opting out of the panel this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 27, 2015, 04:20:48 PM
They may well have opted off the panel themselves, I wouldnt know one way or another. I understand McCrory wants to stamp his authority on the squad from day one in charge. Personally I feel with a relatively small pick of players compared to some other counties he may have been a bit hasty cutting some of the more senior lads from the panel or making demands on them that are maybe unrealistic for some of them. But that is his management style and in fairness he has had a decent start, i just think it contrasts with similar situations recently in Dublin and Kerry. Its a big call and it could be argued McCrory has a similar philosophy to Brian Cody and he has been successful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 27, 2015, 04:41:16 PM
Who is this McCrory you speak of.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on April 27, 2015, 05:22:53 PM
He is a good mate of our connor lavery  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on April 27, 2015, 09:00:39 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 27, 2015, 04:41:16 PM
Who is this McCrory you speak of.

Jaysus brick, you have been in terrible bad form of late, menopause?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on April 28, 2015, 01:48:34 PM
Did many county men line out for their clubs last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 28, 2015, 01:57:12 PM
Quote from: skat man on April 28, 2015, 01:48:34 PM
Did many county men line out for their clubs last night?
No they all stayed in Dublin Sunday and Monday nights. :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on April 28, 2015, 02:13:28 PM
dont think they did ross but thanks for the input  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 28, 2015, 02:56:52 PM
  output of my answer=input of your query=Rubbish.
Of course they played for their Clubs barring injury.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on April 28, 2015, 04:06:07 PM
you sure about that ?

Good to know you have heard a report from every game and know who played and who didnt , I had heard certain players hadnt played , not one for spreading rumours so just wanted to check but you have now enlightened me with your knowledge of all things div 1,  thanks ross ..... 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on April 28, 2015, 04:09:03 PM
And just to clarify i said line out -as in start. Im sure they all made themselves available .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 28, 2015, 04:25:15 PM
Quote from: skat man on April 28, 2015, 04:09:03 PM
And just to clarify i said line out -as in start. Im sure they all made themselves available .
Whatever who you think. Why not just say what you have heard(know) and qualify it by saying
it is a rumour?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 28, 2015, 04:26:39 PM
Quote from: skat man on April 28, 2015, 04:06:07 PM
you sure about that ?

Good to know you have heard a report from every game and know who played and who didnt , I had heard certain players hadnt played , not one for spreading rumours so just wanted to check but you have now enlightened me with your knowledge of all things div 1,  thanks ross .....
PS . There are a few Div 2  County players about also .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on April 28, 2015, 04:33:50 PM
lol yes there are ross . Heard mooney didnt start and also the kilcoo contingent ( Its only a rumour though) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 28, 2015, 05:17:43 PM
Maginn and Howard didnt start for Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 28, 2015, 05:58:35 PM
Kids off school this week?

Why ask a question if you already have information on the matter.

Caolan came on in the second half for Rostrevor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on April 28, 2015, 08:58:49 PM
Ref blew up Rostrevor/Ballyholland game 30 secs before end of normal time. Probably would have been ~5 mins injury time, due to a few injuries and schemozzles. Not sure why he did it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on April 28, 2015, 09:27:38 PM
Great win for Annaclone. Big win for the town away to the bridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on April 28, 2015, 09:28:41 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 28, 2015, 05:58:35 PM
Kids off school this week?

Why ask a question if you already have information on the matter.

Caolan came on in the second half for Rostrevor.

If you had read back you would see i said i had heard a rumour that i wanted confirmed.  Would kids remember the skat man supersub? maybe you are a rostrevor man and just upset after last night ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 28, 2015, 10:34:53 PM
Quote from: skat man on April 28, 2015, 09:28:41 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 28, 2015, 05:58:35 PM
Kids off school this week?

Why ask a question if you already have information on the matter.

Caolan came on in the second half for Rostrevor.

If you had read back you would see i said i had heard a rumour that i wanted confirmed.  Would kids remember the skat man supersub? maybe you are a rostrevor man and just upset after last night ;)

I am aware of what you said - just think you should have said who you were talking about.

Anyway yep obviously annoyed about last nights result, but has no bearing on my post. I would concur with the post above re timing of second half. Was very very strange.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on April 29, 2015, 04:40:03 PM
  No analysis this week  from some  of our more deep thinking posters such as Mourne Rover,Mid Down Gael,
Dubh Driocht, 5 Sams,etc ? as opposed to the drivel written since Sunday's defeat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on April 29, 2015, 05:44:56 PM
All 3 Clonduff County Players started but Darren OHagan came off with an injury. Seemed to be the same leg that was giving him trouble on Sunday. Leitrim controlled game for long periods but Clonduff finished strong with young Stephen McConville showing a lot of potential. Bad bad night for football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 29, 2015, 06:35:46 PM
anyone at the loughinisland/kingdom match?? big dan apparently going well, what chance of a county call up? marty clarke played last 15 mins. getting those 2 boys back and wanting to play would make some difference to the down team.

early days but burren seem to intent on laying down an marker. sean ward has them flying at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 30, 2015, 02:09:03 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on April 29, 2015, 05:44:56 PM
All 3 Clonduff County Players started but Darren OHagan came off with an injury. Seemed to be the same leg that was giving him trouble on Sunday. Leitrim controlled game for long periods but Clonduff finished strong with young Stephen McConville showing a lot of potential. Bad bad night for football

This is always the risk with playing 2 games in 2 days. However, if we only have 1 injury out of the schedule of games then thats not bad to be fair.  Some players seem to have been managed differently to others and I dont see anything wrong with that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 30, 2015, 03:11:53 PM
 All is well after Monday.  5 weeks work will sort us for  Derry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 30, 2015, 08:09:12 PM
Taken from Hoganstand

New York line-up to face Galway

Manager Ian Galvin has revealed his New York team to take on Galway in the opening round of the Connacht SFC at Gaelic Park on Sunday (8pm Irish time (3pm New York time)).

Just seven players survive from last year's 22-point defeat to Mayo with Gavin Joyce, Ronan McGinley, Gerard McCartan, Keith Quinn, Keith Scally, Ross Wherity and Gary O'Driscoll all retaining their places.

New York (SFC v Galway) - Gavin Joyce (Down); Ronan McGinley (Tyrone), Gerard McCartan (Down), Keith Quinn (Down); Brian Gibbons (Mayo), Keith Scally (Westmeath), Colm Maginn (Down); Andrew Hope (Dublin), Brian Connor (Offaly); Ross Wherity (Donegal), Niall McFeely (Derry), Darren Freeman (Monaghan); JJ Matthews (Longford), PJ Banville (Wexford), Gary O'Driscoll (Kerry).


Not doubt that if Gerard Mc Cartan and Keith Quinn were available to us they would be sure starters with Joyce a strong contender as well.  All the best on Sunday lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fairplay on May 01, 2015, 01:30:53 AM
 And had my Granny got 2 she'd have been my Grandfather.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on May 01, 2015, 08:44:44 PM
Colm Maginn played for Drumgath up to going to the US .He played in the intermediate championship final against the Bosco in 2013.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shamrocks Gaelp on May 01, 2015, 10:13:51 PM
He also started midfield for Down U21's in 2013
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 01, 2015, 11:38:39 PM
As Interested has asked for some further thoughts on Sunday's game, it is probably fair to suggest that it was a defeat which may not really harm us in the long run. We did not play particularly well, but the loss in the run-up to the game of Dee Turley, who has been our best defender this season,and the freak injury in the warm-up suffered by Poland, last year's captain and our main playmaker, were two hammer blows, even before the ludicrous red card for McArdle.

We will be a much stronger side when they all return, and it will not do us any harm that Derry are now likely to start as favourites, but we have got to get the right players into key positions. It was a surprise that neither Garvey nor Mallon got a run from the bench at Croke Park, but if fit they must come into consideration.

If Marty Clarke is anywhere close to rejoining the squad, it would be a huge boost, and the way we struggled to cope with Roscommon's height means that another approach to Gordon would be justified, but we do have a fair amount of competition for places in most sectors already. We will definitely not travel to Celtic Park without hope.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 02, 2015, 12:40:01 AM
Quote from: lucan on May 01, 2015, 08:44:44 PM
Colm Maginn played for Drumgath up to going to the US .He played in the intermediate championship final against the Bosco in 2013.

Very true lucan. Bizarrely even got man of the match. A good lad the dude. Best of luck to him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on May 02, 2015, 09:51:37 AM
Why bizarrely?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 02, 2015, 09:59:52 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on May 02, 2015, 09:51:37 AM
Why bizarrely?

Because there were three or four who played better on the day. Its all subjective  anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lucan on May 02, 2015, 07:33:22 PM
I thought the same Charley.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 02, 2015, 08:52:18 PM
Quote from: fairplay on May 01, 2015, 01:30:53 AM
And had my Granny got 2 she'd have been my Grandfather.

Take yourself off for another 4 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fairplay on May 03, 2015, 08:48:15 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on May 02, 2015, 08:52:18 PM
Quote from: fairplay on May 01, 2015, 01:30:53 AM
And had my Granny got 2 she'd have been my Grandfather.

Take yourself off for another 4 years.
Lighten up- just a bit of banter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 03, 2015, 09:16:38 PM
Down lost 2-13 to 1-12 to Meath in a challenge match today. Anyone at it or hear any reports?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 03, 2015, 10:35:00 PM
Taken from Hoganstand

SF Challenge: Meath defeat Down
03 May 2015

Meath overcame Down by four points in this senior football challenge to mark the official opening of the magnificent facilities at St Patricks GAA club in Stamullen Co.Meath.

Meath 2-13 Down 1-12

Both counties made numerous changes to their starting XV listed in the programme. Donal O'Hare opened the scoring for the Ulster men but Meath hit back with a Graham Reilly brace. Full forward Shane O'Rourke pointed to give the home county a 0-4 to 0-3 lead at the midway stage. The accurate Paul Devlin put Down back in front when he sent over two frees. The Royals send over the next four points courtesy of Reilly (2), Harry Rooney and Andy Tormey but it was Down who dominated the closing stages. Ryan Johnston got in for a well worked goal and five unanswered points from Peter Fitzpatrick, Devlin (3) and Johnston gave the visitors a 1-10 to 0-8 interval lead.

Meath got a great start to the second half with a Graham Reilly goal after 2 minutes. Reilly and Bryan McMahon (2) added points to put Mick O'Dowds men in front. On as a first half substitute, Conor Laverty drew the teams level and the Kilcoo player put Down back in front with a point from the penalty spot. That proved to be their last score as Meath took over. Reilly added a goal and a point. Tormey finished out the scoring when sending over a free.

While it was a good work out for both teams Down manager Jim McCorry will be a little worried about the injuries picked up by Ross McGarry and keeper Kieran Gordon.

Meath scorers: Graham Reilly 2-6, Bryan McMahon and Andy Tormey 0-2 each, Eamonn Wallace, Shane O'Rourke and Harry Rooney 0-1 each.

Down scorers: Paul Devlin 0-5, Ryan Johnston 1-1, Conor Laverty 0-2, Donal O'Hare and Peter Fitzpatrick 0-1 each.

Meath: Conor McHugh, Simon Carty, Conor McGill, James McEntee, Nicky Judge, Ciaran McConnell, Brian Power, Harry Rooney, Sean Tobin, Graham Reilly, Damien Carroll, Andy Tormey, Eamonn Wallace, Shane O'Rourke, Bryan McMahon.

Subs: Adam Flanagan, David Dalton, Donncha Tobin, Donal Keogan, Bryan Menton, Paraic Harnan, Donal Landy.

Down: Kieran Gordon, Damien Turley, Luke Howard, Ryan Boyle, Brendan McArdle, Niall Madine, Ryan Mallon, Peter Fitzpatrick, Paul Devlin, Ryan Johnston, Packie Downey, Aidan Carr, Donal O'Hare, Arthur McConville, Ross McGarry.
Subs: Conor Laverty, Kevin McKiernan, Caolan Mooney

Referee: Maurice Deegan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 05, 2015, 04:44:06 PM
Busy weekend of club football ahead...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on May 05, 2015, 06:20:51 PM
Kilcoo v Glenn is off I heard due to a club cycle event.. Not official though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 05, 2015, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: outinfront on May 05, 2015, 04:44:06 PM
Busy weekend of club football ahead...

Big top of the table clash in Ballyholland Fri night at half 7.  ;) Harps V Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 08, 2015, 08:55:17 AM
 Hoping for a win against potential fellow strugglers
after our last match hammering
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 08, 2015, 11:57:43 AM
Hope there are no injuries over the weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 08, 2015, 09:33:20 PM
Called over to Rostrevor Mayobridge game tonight(running late from work)
McCorry could be doing with that Mayobridge midfield pairing for the championship against Derry
Big Strong Physical and they both can play ball.Coulter and Garvey both class acts tonight.
Terrible night for football hopefully no injuries picked up tonight or Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on May 08, 2015, 11:17:33 PM
Tullylish v St Johns abandoned with 8mins to go due to a bad injury to John McAreavey I heard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 09, 2015, 10:27:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 08, 2015, 09:33:20 PM
Called over to Rostrevor Mayobridge game tonight(running late from work)
McCorry could be doing with that Mayobridge midfield pairing for the championship against Derry
Big Strong Physical and they both can play ball.Coulter and Garvey both class acts tonight.
Terrible night for football hopefully no injuries picked up tonight or Sunday

Must have been a different match than I saw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on May 10, 2015, 08:36:04 PM
Warrenpoint 0.15 Annaclone 1.5
Terrible conditions. Comfortable win for the Point
4 games no defeats for CPN (2 draws though)
Any other scores from today's matches ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 10, 2015, 09:22:51 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on May 10, 2015, 08:36:04 PM
Warrenpoint 0.15 Annaclone 1.5
Terrible conditions. Comfortable win for the Point
4 games no defeats for CPN (2 draws though)
Any other scores from today's matches ??

Harps beat the stone by 5 in atrocious conditions. Burren hammered the Town. RGU beat Saval.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 10, 2015, 11:16:16 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 10, 2015, 09:22:51 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on May 10, 2015, 08:36:04 PM
Warrenpoint 0.15 Annaclone 1.5
Terrible conditions. Comfortable win for the Point
4 games no defeats for CPN (2 draws though)
Any other scores from today's matches ??

Harps beat the stone by 5 in atrocious conditions. Burren hammered the Town. RGU beat Saval.

Rostrevor beat Liatroim by 7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 11, 2015, 01:55:51 AM
Great performance by the Bridge today against the Ford. We were a point up at the break but blew them away in the second period. Cory Quinn scored two goals with Ryan Brady getting the other one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on May 11, 2015, 04:43:48 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 10, 2015, 09:22:51 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on May 10, 2015, 08:36:04 PM
Warrenpoint 0.15 Annaclone 1.5
Terrible conditions. Comfortable win for the Point
4 games no defeats for CPN (2 draws though)
Any other scores from today's matches ??

Harps beat the stone by 5 in atrocious conditions. Burren hammered the Town. RGU beat Saval.

According to the DownGAA results page Stone beat Harps 2-10 to 3-6.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 11, 2015, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 11, 2015, 01:55:51 AM
Great performance by the Bridge today against the Ford. We were a point up at the break but blew them away in the second period. Cory Quinn scored two goals with Ryan Brady getting the other one.

Good stuff !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on May 12, 2015, 12:47:11 AM
Now with a quarter of the season gone,how do folk think things will end up at the end of the season? Top 4 / bottom 6?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 12, 2015, 07:29:28 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on May 12, 2015, 12:47:11 AM
Now with a quarter of the season gone,how do folk think things will end up at the end of the season? Top 4 / bottom 6?
What Div are you talking about here? I see Mallon and Donnelly
have quit the Senior panel. Ryan Mallon is a big loss and even a young
player like Donnelly leaving shows how big the current commitment
is. Hope we see them back in the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 12, 2015, 08:13:08 AM
I am disappointed to see two big men who can play football leaving the panel when we are so small all over. In my opinion Mallon should of been a starter and Donnelly at least should of been a lad to work on as a future full back. From what I heard Donnelly was really enjoying keeping focused on the training so I don't think that was a factor. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 12, 2015, 10:00:00 AM
   CPN and Tullylish will be the winners here with this news.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 12, 2015, 01:24:54 PM
In my opinion there are not enough games for the commitment. In the 90's:
A player was happy to make this commitment and accept a squad place just to be part of it, or sit on the bench for a few years getting a bit of action here and there with the chance that in 3-5 years he would get about 5 years of first team football

These days:

This is the commitment of a professional sports person who is at least being rewarded financially.But still so many young men make this commitment. And they do it for one reason - To play county football. But to play, not just to sit around. How can anyone seriously expect this commitment for five years or so before you get a regular start?

But with only about a dozen games in a season how can all players be accommodated?

If there were a full season of county football, like a single all county league of 31 matches and a knock out championship, then the commitment would be worth it as everyone would get a significant amount of game time and chances to earn the right for more.

The professional level of commitment is too much if we have amateur amounts of games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 12, 2015, 02:03:28 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on May 12, 2015, 12:47:11 AM
Now with a quarter of the season gone,how do folk think things will end up at the end of the season? Top 4 / bottom 6?
Top 4 - Burren,Kilcoo,,Mayobridge 
Bottom 6 - Liatroim,Clanna na Banna,Longstone,Rostrevor,Annaclone and Warrenpoint.

- a bit predictable I know and it's only my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 12, 2015, 04:21:25 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 12, 2015, 01:24:54 PM
In my opinion there are not enough games for the commitment. In the 90's:

  • Squads were rarely bigger than 30,
  • County training was one night a week stretching to two during championship
  • Players played for their clubs when there was no county match that week
  • Training effectively ended at the end of the championship for between 3 and 5 months
A player was happy to make this commitment and accept a squad place just to be part of it, or sit on the bench for a few years getting a bit of action here and there with the chance that in 3-5 years he would get about 5 years of first team football

These days:

  • Squads are around 40 (no chance everyone gets even a bit of action),
  • County training is a near full week commitment
  • Players don't play for their clubs for months during the summer (so 10-15 guys play no football at all)
  • Training effectively is a full year commitment with restrictions on alcohol, holidays, and even what you eat

This is the commitment of a professional sports person who is at least being rewarded financially.But still so many young men make this commitment. And they do it for one reason - To play county football. But to play, not just to sit around. How can anyone seriously expect this commitment for five years or so before you get a regular start?

But with only about a dozen games in a season how can all players be accommodated?

If there were a full season of county football, like a single all county league of 31 matches and a knock out championship, then the commitment would be worth it as everyone would get a significant amount of game time and chances to earn the right for more.

The professional level of commitment is too much if we have amateur amounts of games.
You may be correct in your observations but it's not
going to stop the Championship beginning this Sunday and ending
in September.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 12, 2015, 05:24:36 PM
Quote from: elk on May 12, 2015, 02:03:28 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on May 12, 2015, 12:47:11 AM
Now with a quarter of the season gone,how do folk think things will end up at the end of the season? Top 4 / bottom 6?
Top 4 - Burren,Kilcoo,,Mayobridge 
Bottom 6 - Liatroim,Clanna na Banna,Longstone,Rostrevor,Annaclone and Warrenpoint.

- a bit predictable I know and it's only my opinion.

You have only 3 in your "Top 4" ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on May 12, 2015, 05:31:06 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 12, 2015, 05:24:36 PM
Quote from: elk on May 12, 2015, 02:03:28 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on May 12, 2015, 12:47:11 AM
Now with a quarter of the season gone,how do folk think things will end up at the end of the season? Top 4 / bottom 6?
Top 4 - Burren,Kilcoo,,Mayobridge 
Bottom 6 - Liatroim,Clanna na Banna,Longstone,Rostrevor,Annaclone and Warrenpoint.

- a bit predictable I know and it's only my opinion.

You have only 3 in your "Top 4" ;)

Maybe he's leaving the door open for a surprise...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 12, 2015, 05:55:22 PM
Quote from: elk on May 12, 2015, 02:03:28 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on May 12, 2015, 12:47:11 AM
Now with a quarter of the season gone,how do folk think things will end up at the end of the season? Top 4 / bottom 6?
Top 4 - Burren,Kilcoo,,Mayobridge 
Bottom 6 - Liatroim,Clanna na Banna,Longstone,Rostrevor,Annaclone and Warrenpoint.

- a bit predictable I know and it's only my opinion.

Far too early to say how Warrenpoint will do but early indications are that they could avoid bottom six. The games on 29th May against Burren and 12th June away to Mayobridge will shed some light on their chances. I wouldn't be expecting victories in either but they will give the best chance to appraise Warrenpoint's abilities.

Although, both those matches should be starred and for Warrenpoint to lose Ross McGarry and Ryan Boyle against the bridge could be a huge blow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 12, 2015, 08:01:36 PM
IMO

CPN will finisher closer to the top than the bottom and certainly not in the bottom 6.  McGarry might be a miss but I think he has missed the last couole of games anyway plus Mallon leaving the county panel will be a bonus.

Certs for the bottom 6 are Banbridge, Annaclone and Liatroim.
The other 3 will be between Lonstone, Glenn, Rostrevor, Ballyholland Downpatrick and Clonduff with the first 3 being my picks.

Certs for top 4 are Burren, Bridge and Kilcoo with the other between Castlewellan and Bryansford.

On another note some of Ballyhollands behaviour the other night against Burren was a disgrace, at times there was 8 or 9 of them going about as if they are John Rambo.  Their style of play is pathetic as well and resembles a poor mans Cavan.  On a more positive note  the facilities and in particular the stand is a credit to their club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 12, 2015, 09:40:04 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 12, 2015, 08:01:36 PM
IMO

CPN will finisher closer to the top than the bottom and certainly not in the bottom 6.  McGarry might be a miss but I think he has missed the last couole of games anyway plus Mallon leaving the county panel will be a bonus.

Certs for the bottom 6 are Banbridge, Annaclone and Liatroim.
The other 3 will be between Lonstone, Glenn, Rostrevor, Ballyholland Downpatrick and Clonduff with the first 3 being my picks.

Certs for top 4 are Burren, Bridge and Kilcoo with the other between Castlewellan and Bryansford.

On another note some of Ballyhollands behaviour the other night against Burren was a disgrace, at times there was 8 or 9 of them going about as if they are John Rambo. Their style of play is pathetic as well and resembles a poor mans Cavan.  On a more positive note  the facilities and in particular the stand is a credit to their club.

Sorry but it's good to see our boys standing up for themselves. Harps teams in the past were too easily bullied...not any more. We won't be pushed about. I played against the Burren teams of the 80s. No shortage of Rambos on those teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 12, 2015, 10:01:00 PM
Thought you might come on that one 5sams.

Do you actually think it helps your team though? IMO all it does is rile your opponents, Burren tried it last year against Kilcoo and were made to look very foolish.

It wasn't as if Burren came out at the start and started to wire into yas for the match to turn the way it did.  A more composed ref would have given at least a couple the line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 12, 2015, 10:11:11 PM
I agree 100% WGM. We were lucky to escape with no reds against Burren. But I'm delighted to see our lads standing up to the (so called) big guns of Down football and not being messed about. We did the same against Rostrevor who started a melee down there in the first game of the league. We did the same to Kilcoo in the last game of the season last year. For far too long we have had a 2nd division mentality and we kowtowed to the aristocracy of Down club football. Those days are over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 12, 2015, 10:37:35 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 12, 2015, 10:11:11 PM
I agree 100% WGM. We were lucky to escape with no reds against Burren. But I'm delighted to see our lads standing up to the (so called) big guns of Down football and not being messed about. We did the same against Rostrevor who started a melee down there in the first game of the league. We did the same to Kilcoo in the last game of the season last year. For far too long we have had a 2nd division mentality and we kowtowed to the aristocracy of Down club football. Those days are over.
What a load of bolli-s!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 13, 2015, 08:42:36 AM
So Ballyholland have turned a great corner then?
Whats a 2nd division mentality exactly?
What if Burren didn't come to Ballyholland to 'mess about' but rather just beat you by playing football.
Why the need to initiate the chest-beating? For that's all it is.
Its possible to show your opponents a degree of respect and still perform to your utmost (and possibly win) is it not?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 13, 2015, 09:07:24 AM
Is Conor Mc Gregor of UFC fame in charge
if your team  this year? There's only  4 rounds of
matches played and you may regret some
of your comments as the season goes on but
best of luck.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on May 13, 2015, 10:24:54 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 12, 2015, 10:11:11 PM
I agree 100% WGM. We were lucky to escape with no reds against Burren. But I'm delighted to see our lads standing up to the (so called) big guns of Down football and not being messed about. We did the same against Rostrevor who started a melee down there in the first game of the league. We did the same to Kilcoo in the last game of the season last year. For far too long we have had a 2nd division mentality and we kowtowed to the aristocracy of Down club football. Those days are over.
I have to say Ballyholland do seem more interested in getting involved than playing football more and more so over these past few seasons. It will come to a head some day when another team 'stands up' to them as 5 Sams calls it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 13, 2015, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on May 13, 2015, 10:24:54 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 12, 2015, 10:11:11 PM
I agree 100% WGM. We were lucky to escape with no reds against Burren. But I'm delighted to see our lads standing up to the (so called) big guns of Down football and not being messed about. We did the same against Rostrevor who started a melee down there in the first game of the league. We did the same to Kilcoo in the last game of the season last year. For far too long we have had a 2nd division mentality and we kowtowed to the aristocracy of Down club football. Those days are over.
I have to say Ballyholland do seem more interested in getting involved than playing football more and more so over these past few seasons. It will come to a head some day when another team 'stands up' to them as 5 Sams calls it.
Would this have anything to do with their Manager perhaps?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 14, 2015, 11:45:01 AM
Can anyone confirm the rumour Rostrevor are running a chartered flight to Prague on Saturday morning, in order to ensure they will have a full team to play and beat the Point tomorrow night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 14, 2015, 01:49:04 PM
Why would the point not change the match for them if they have that many lads away?  Is there that much hatred between the clubs?

I've seen Burren switch a match for the Bridge and visversa and there is hardly much love between the two clubs .....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 14, 2015, 02:01:10 PM
Quote from: elk on May 14, 2015, 11:45:01 AM
Can anyone confirm the rumour Rostrevor are running a chartered flight to Prague on Saturday morning, in order to ensure they will have a full team to play and beat the Point tomorrow night?

I can confirm it is a rumour yes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on May 14, 2015, 02:05:34 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 14, 2015, 01:49:04 PM
Why would the point not change the match for them if they have that many lads away?  Is there that much hatred between the clubs?

I've seen Burren switch a match for the Bridge and visversa and there is hardly much love between the two clubs .....

Given the amount of teams to go down this year, it may not have suited the Point to change it and maybe lose one or two of their own players and put the game at risk. Maybe in another season they may have changed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 14, 2015, 05:01:03 PM
Clubs should have a bit of common sense with regards to changing games though. Clubs and players don't forget that easily and it will inevitably come back to bite you in the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 14, 2015, 05:53:09 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 14, 2015, 05:01:03 PM
Clubs should have a bit of common sense with regards to changing games though. Clubs and players don't forget that easily and it will inevitably come back to bite you in the future.

Exactly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 14, 2015, 06:03:19 PM
   Fair enough points alright. But do you oblige Clubs for Stags,Weddings, etc
if the proposed refix date weakens your own Club's chances?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 14, 2015, 06:17:18 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 12, 2015, 10:37:35 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 12, 2015, 10:11:11 PM
I agree 100% WGM. We were lucky to escape with no reds against Burren. But I'm delighted to see our lads standing up to the (so called) big guns of Down football and not being messed about. We did the same against Rostrevor who started a melee down there in the first game of the league. We did the same to Kilcoo in the last game of the season last year. For far too long we have had a 2nd division mentality and we kowtowed to the aristocracy of Down club football. Those days are over.
What a load of bolli-s!


+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 14, 2015, 06:52:42 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 14, 2015, 06:03:19 PM
   Fair enough points alright. But do you oblige Clubs for Stags,Weddings, etc
if the proposed refix date weakens your own Club's chances?

Usually both teams should come to an agreement. It's only a league game at the end of the day. If the stag or groom is a player and most of the team is away then clubs should accommodate. It only causes unnecessary grief between two clubs. Address two points really worth it??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 14, 2015, 07:17:04 PM
Should have had the stag before the league started
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on May 14, 2015, 07:48:41 PM
Quote from: elk on May 14, 2015, 07:17:04 PM
Should have had the stag before the league started

Nonsense.... What if the wedding is in August? Do ya go for a wee drink in Feb or March and that will do ya? These people are just regular folk like the rest of us.. Common sense should prevail, or is our local club scene heading the same way as the county scene?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on May 14, 2015, 08:34:21 PM
As a ex manager off teams the rule I had about changing games was Change if it suits ur team and ur team only.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 14, 2015, 09:31:45 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 14, 2015, 06:03:19 PM
   Fair enough points alright. But do you oblige Clubs for Stags,Weddings, etc
if the proposed refix date weakens your own Club's chances?

If one date is offered obviously not, but if I'm sure if more than one option is given most would be able to come to an agreement. Don't really want to get drawn into this, just addressing a couple of points raised. Immaterial now anyway as the game is on tomorrow night 7.30pm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 15, 2015, 08:37:19 AM
So there you have it. The battle lines have been drawn.
Not too often these teams have met in last 10 years so should be feisty you would imagine.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on May 15, 2015, 10:44:48 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 15, 2015, 08:37:19 AM
So there you have it. The battle lines have been drawn.
Not too often these teams have met in last 10 years so should be feisty you would imagine.

Local derbies are the best arent they  :) Blues v Reds and Saval v Glenn both on tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 16, 2015, 01:27:01 AM
Harps had a good 6 point win against the bridge tonight. Totally dominated the game. No dirt, no niggle, just toe to toe football. Best team won.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 16, 2015, 08:42:59 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 16, 2015, 01:27:01 AM
Harps had a good 6 point win against the bridge tonight. Totally dominated the game. No dirt, no niggle, just toe to toe football. Best team won.
Good win. Glad it passed off peacefully.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on May 18, 2015, 10:53:09 AM
Some interesting results over the weekend. Burren look to be a bit ahead of everyone at the moment. Saval and Ballyholland performing extremely well. The pack seems very close behind that. Not much in terms of perfomance between Clonduff in 4th and Longstone in 14th.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on May 18, 2015, 11:55:10 AM
The Harps looking very good this year. Would have been most peoples favorites to finish in the bottom 6 and  be playing Division 2 football next year.  Few more wins should see them safe with half the league campaign to go. Looked very fit on Friday night and looked like they had more in the tank. Very impressive.

Was very disappointed in the Bridge, they looked very average and was expecting a lot more from them. Anyone know if they had many missing? Benny must have been carrying an injury as he didn't start the game and wasn't very influential. Showed in patches that he still has that bit of class but not enough over the 40mins or so that he was on the filed.

Joe Murphy had a great game in Midfield, surely must be worth a look for the county team? Also Tieran Rushe is going to be a special player, was excellent again on Friday .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on May 18, 2015, 01:55:30 PM
Good news about Benny McArdle. Of course , in the real world when justice fails there's usually some sort of compensation involved somewhere along the way. We'll get nothing from the GAA so I guess we'll just have to look to the Gods and/or Karma in our search for Sam 2015.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on May 18, 2015, 02:15:34 PM
True, if he had of stayed on we might well have won the game. His dismissal ruined it as a spectacle. Anyways Jim, has used a fair few players during the league but who do we think will play against Derry ?

I go for:

                  Kane

O'Hagan    Howard   Turley

Devlin      McArdle     McGovern

         Madine    Turley


McKernan  Poland     Maginn

O'Hare    Lavery     Mooney
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on May 18, 2015, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 18, 2015, 12:26:05 PM
Quote from: Rodders88 on May 18, 2015, 11:55:10 AM
The Harps looking very good this year. Would have been most peoples favorites to finish in the bottom 6 and  be playing Division 2 football next year.  Few more wins should see them safe with half the league campaign to go. Looked very fit on Friday night and looked like they had more in the tank. Very impressive.

Was very disappointed in the Bridge, they looked very average and was expecting a lot more from them. Anyone know if they had many missing? Benny must have been carrying an injury as he didn't start the game and wasn't very influential. Showed in patches that he still has that bit of class but not enough over the 40mins or so that he was on the filed.

Joe Murphy had a great game in Midfield, surely must be worth a look for the county team? Also Tieran Rushe is going to be a special player, was excellent again on Friday .
as I said on the Davison thread--once a soccer player always a soccer head.


"soccer head" showing your knowledge there....

If they are good enough and committed well then bring them in.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 18, 2015, 04:17:58 PM
Quote from: A man from Down on May 18, 2015, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 18, 2015, 12:26:05 PM
Quote from: Rodders88 on May 18, 2015, 11:55:10 AM
The Harps looking very good this year. Would have been most peoples favorites to finish in the bottom 6 and  be playing Division 2 football next year.  Few more wins should see them safe with half the league campaign to go. Looked very fit on Friday night and looked like they had more in the tank. Very impressive.

Was very disappointed in the Bridge, they looked very average and was expecting a lot more from them. Anyone know if they had many missing? Benny must have been carrying an injury as he didn't start the game and wasn't very influential. Showed in patches that he still has that bit of class but not enough over the 40mins or so that he was on the filed.

Joe Murphy had a great game in Midfield, surely must be worth a look for the county team? Also Tieran Rushe is going to be a special player, was excellent again on Friday .
as I said on the Davison thread--once a soccer player always a soccer head.


"soccer head" showing your knowledge there....

If they are good enough and committed well then bring them in.
Committed until pre-season soccer training starts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on May 18, 2015, 04:24:58 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong RossKarr but my understanding is that Tieran is training and playing away with the Harps seniors and Down minors and isn't playing any soccer at all. You know something the rest of us don't?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 18, 2015, 04:52:23 PM
A Man from Down's team is likely to be fairly close to the starting line-up for Celtic Park, allowing for positional switches. Peter Fitzpatrick is also in contention at midfield, and there could be a couple of tight calls in defence as well.

Derry is always a tough place to go, but it may be worth noting that three counties we beat in D2, Galway, Westmeath and Laois, all had comfortable championship wins at the weekend.

Regardless of who gets through on June 7, the USC could still be an open contest. Donegal are strong, but it was surprising to see an ordinary enough Tyrone side create so many goal chances yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 18, 2015, 07:04:13 PM
Who is this Lavery fella you speak of? :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 18, 2015, 07:33:14 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 18, 2015, 07:04:13 PM
Who is this Lavery fella you speak of? :D

you havent said much about the local derbie, any excitment at it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 18, 2015, 11:30:39 PM
Ah sure she passed off peacefully with hugs and kisses all round, nothing to see here... :o

Still not sure how I feel about the result, it really could have gone either way and a draw is probably fair enough although I'm not sure who would be happier with it. Rostrevor certainly weren't letting the missing bodies affect them and played well for most of the first half to go in up by 3 at half time. Point got two goals and we got one within the first ten mins. A penalty each plus another. But for the two goals the Reds would have been seriously in control, although that means little. Second half Shaun Parr got a black card 5 mins in and Niall Farrell went off injured, a couple of minors came on but for the next ten mins point took over. 8/9 kickouts in a row they won and destroyed us. Never more than a point in it if I'm correct and it took a last min free to draw the game for us. In saying that we missed a couple of frees too. Bit of a row broke out second half, sidelines involved too, wasn't nice to see but always going to spill over at some point. Point are a good team, very young but seem to be going ok. John Boyle came on second half and was decent for them. Hard to tell at this stage who will do better this year - a championship meeting would be very very interesting.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 19, 2015, 09:21:38 AM
Went to the game myself as it looked like being the most evenly contested local match with the local derby element added in. I would agree with Supersub could have went either way and a draw was a fair result. There was a bit of a wrestling match between a few players and some of the sideline personnel were involved to but it didn't take away from an enjoyable game. Even though both teams were missing key players they showed enough to make me think they both have a reasonable chance of staying up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fairplay on May 19, 2015, 06:43:49 PM
  Quiet times these days and looking through various other County Websites
and I must say the Down one is up there with the best of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on May 19, 2015, 09:25:58 PM
i was at the derbie (or is it Derby) too and agree with your version of events Supersub. I am also not sure how I feel about the result as it definitely could have gone either way. I'm not familiar with the rostrevor team so how many were you actually missing ? Talk before the game was you were going to be missing 6 Or 7. If that was a ploy for the Point to be complacent then maybe it worked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Shanemulholland on May 19, 2015, 10:00:46 PM
Rosskarr you are a tool. The lad played GAA throughout the entire year for club minor, reserve and senior and for county and school. You have no idea what you are talking about. Because he's a talented soccer player? Is that your grudge. Really annoys me reading some of the stuff posted on here!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on May 19, 2015, 10:30:21 PM
Rosskarr shows how much you know when he's gave the soccer up to concentrate on down minors and ballyholland, you fool.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 20, 2015, 08:34:29 AM
Quote from: Shanemulholland on May 19, 2015, 10:00:46 PM
Rosskarr you are a tool. The lad played GAA throughout the entire year for club minor, reserve and senior and for county and school. You have no idea what you are talking about. Because he's a talented soccer player? Is that your grudge. Really annoys me reading some of the stuff posted on here!
A lot of it annoys me too but you usually get used
to it after a while . With you being a new member :o and all that. :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 20, 2015, 08:40:28 AM
Quote from: clowry13 on May 19, 2015, 10:30:21 PM
Rosskarr shows how much you know when he's gave the soccer up to concentrate on down minors and ballyholland, you fool.
clowry13, Fools seldom differ. Do you know our new poster ShaneMulholland ?  :o :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 20, 2015, 09:04:02 AM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on May 19, 2015, 09:25:58 PM
i was at the derbie (or is it Derby) too and agree with your version of events Supersub. I am also not sure how I feel about the result as it definitely could have gone either way. I'm not familiar with the rostrevor team so how many were you actually missing ? Talk before the game was you were going to be missing 6 Or 7. If that was a ploy for the Point to be complacent then maybe it worked.

Rostrevor were missing quite a few players but Warrenpoint also had absentees. It is not always about numbers sometimes one player's loss alone can swing things. Warrenpoint were missing Ryan McAleenan and Ross McGarry. So only two players, compared to Rostervors half dozen, but missing our single most important forward is a very significant detraction. I think the point is well proven by the fact that when Rostrevor lost their best player (Parr) to a black card the tide turned against them. Only time will tell when the teams meet again and different players are available.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 20, 2015, 10:40:35 PM
Any word of anybody called into the county panel to replace Mallon and Donnelly? Obviously anyone called in now would hardly be in contention for Derry game, but could be for fixtures after that game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on May 21, 2015, 01:47:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on May 20, 2015, 10:40:35 PM
Any word of anybody called into the county panel to replace Mallon and Donnelly? Obviously anyone called in now would hardly be in contention for Derry game, but could be for fixtures after that game.
Lets hope they are USFC fixtures rather than qualifiers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 23, 2015, 01:32:49 AM
Harps comprehensively beaten by a very good Warrenpoint team tonight. No excuses. Serious outfit. Interesting to see how they do against Burren next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 23, 2015, 09:02:18 AM
We are going very well at the minute after many people thought that we would struggle
Big game next week but we are ready for it and would be confident of the win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 23, 2015, 10:29:20 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 23, 2015, 01:32:49 AM
Harps comprehensively beaten by a very good Warrenpoint team tonight. No excuses. Serious outfit. Interesting to see how they do against Burren next week.

That result doesn't overly surprise me not sure about anyone else.

Going back to the absentees. Captain and vice captains Damian and Chrissy Magee missing v point, as well as Conor Magee at midfield. Shaun Parr (stags brother in law) and Conor Doyle played. Shaun black card and Niall Farrell off injured start of second half. It wasn't only the 'starting' players Rostrevor missed though, there were a few who would have been on the bench and replaced these lads who were away too. Just giving an insight as someone asked. Not a big squad so every little hurts!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 23, 2015, 11:05:07 AM
Burren were scary last night. Granted we gifted them easy goals but all over they were as good a team I have seen in a while.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 23, 2015, 12:04:54 PM
Tom Burren have a decent midfield and plenty of good forwards which will only be helped by the two McArdles returning but if they can be neutralised which Kilcoo have done in the past then their defence can be got at.

The bridge appear to be struggling a bit and there only so much the old hands can do.  The gravey train looks like it has slowed up there too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 23, 2015, 02:47:48 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 23, 2015, 12:04:54 PM
Tom Burren have a decent midfield and plenty of good forwards which will only be helped by the two McArdles returning but if they can be neutralised which Kilcoo have done in the past then their defence can be got at.

The bridge appear to be struggling a bit and there only so much the old hands can do.  The gravey train looks like it has slowed up there too.
The glory days are long gone here. Current Management are great Club men but
that doesn't mean they'll be good Managers. Time to maybe think about getting a suitable
outsider.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 23, 2015, 02:56:22 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 23, 2015, 11:05:07 AM
Burren were scary last night. Granted we gifted them easy goals but all over they were as good a team I have seen in a while.

Championship looks to be in the bag.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 23, 2015, 04:15:24 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on May 23, 2015, 02:56:22 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on May 23, 2015, 11:05:07 AM
Burren were scary last night. Granted we gifted them easy goals but all over they were as good a team I have seen in a while.

Championship looks to be in the bag.
at the minute they're a good bit in front of the rest. kilcoo still adjusting to life after mccorry?? they seem to a have dropped a touch from their usual high standards. warrenpoint the surprise packet so far, next friday will be interesting against burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 23, 2015, 07:18:05 PM
Kilcoo started with a few mixed results last year but came good around championship time.  The loss of Jim might well be felt but they will still be the team to beat come championship.  Plus Burren haven't beaten Kilcoo in championship in a long time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 23, 2015, 07:56:04 PM
Nothing is decided in May as they say. No doubt Kilcoo will be still going come September.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 23, 2015, 08:44:12 PM
I for one would certainly not read into Kilcoo's form at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 24, 2015, 01:52:59 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 23, 2015, 09:02:18 AM
We are going very well at the minute after many people thought that we would struggle
Big game next week but we are ready for it and would be confident of the win
think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself if you think the point are at the same level as burren but it will be interesting to see the outcome of next weeks match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on May 25, 2015, 10:51:41 AM
Agree with 5Sams...Harps were very poor on Friday night but take noting away from the Point. They looked an excellent side. Very disappointed in the Harps after our excellent performance the week before in the bridge but wouldn't surprise me if the boys go to Kilcoo this Friday night and come home with 2 points. Here's hoping  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 26, 2015, 08:28:10 AM
Was anyone at the charity match last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 26, 2015, 11:49:03 AM
  The Golfers involved were top notch names.
Simon Thornton 500/1
Moritz Lampert  500/1
Damien Mc Grane  300/1

What a waste of people's time and these efforts to line the
GAA up with the Irish Open is just plain silly. Something
similar to the junkets organised by the Ulster Council over the
years where ''cross-community'' teams of School boys got freebie
trips to the States,etc .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 26, 2015, 02:32:42 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 26, 2015, 11:49:03 AM
  The Golfers involved were top notch names.
Simon Thornton 500/1
Moritz Lampert  500/1
Damien Mc Grane  300/1

What a waste of people's time and these efforts to line the
GAA up with the Irish Open is just plain silly. Something
similar to the junkets organised by the Ulster Council over the
years where ''cross-community'' teams of School boys got freebie
trips to the States,etc .
Jeepers touchy or what. It was a great idea to have this match
on the back of the Irish Open being in Newcastle this week with
money being raised for Charity at the same time by Bryansford.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on May 27, 2015, 05:36:14 PM
 Bookies have Derry as 8/11 Fav's and Down at 11/8.  Tempting price on Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 27, 2015, 07:33:27 PM
 Derry seem to have a few injuries as well. Longford won in Celtic Park last year, so its not the fortress it once was. Neither side in great form and bookies are probably siding with home advantage. A win away from home would be a big boost to a relatively inexperienced team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on May 28, 2015, 10:45:11 AM
Marty Clarke despite getting a through some club games this year has definitely ruled himself out until 2016 according to reports yesterday so we'll not be seeing him in Derry. Going by his illness getting back this summer was a always going to be a long shot and by concentrating on playing for his club and getting himself right we'll hopefully reap the benefits next year. Good luck Marty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on May 28, 2015, 10:55:12 AM
Hard to see too many surprises for the Derry clash then. The squad for the league will no doubt produce the 15 starters apart from Mallon who unfortunately has withdrawn. Its gonna be a case of who plays where for the likes of Mooney, McKernan and Madine and who will get the nod in midfield which could prove vital as Derry have lost more than a couple in this department.

I'm going for a Down win (naturally) as I do think Jim will have prepared the boys well and he will have them competitive. We may not have a squad of big name superstars just now but in this day and age a well drilled team playing for each other and to their strengths can achieve anything.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 28, 2015, 11:30:28 AM
When AMFD says that a well drilled team `can achieve anything', he presumably means `can be competitive at provincial level.'
We begin with a trip to Derry, who can be compared to us in many ways and anything could happen on Sunday week. Fitzpatrick is reportedly flying for Ballymartin and he must be pushing hard for a start.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on May 28, 2015, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: A man from Down on May 28, 2015, 10:45:11 AM
Marty Clarke despite getting a through some club games this year has definitely ruled himself out until 2016 according to reports yesterday so we'll not be seeing him in Derry. Going by his illness getting back this summer was a always going to be a long shot and by concentrating on playing for his club and getting himself right we'll hopefully reap the benefits next year. Good luck Marty.

Clarke's announcement looks to be both well advised and timely. It is entirely sensible for him to make the announcement now before the Championship starts so that we are not standing on the Celtic Park terraces hoping for the impossible. That does the fans or the team no good whatsoever. We know our panel now and hopefully the announcement brings to an end all the Benny, Dan, Kalum & Marty speculation.

Nothing else to add except that I'm very delighted he wants to come back. Looking forward to 2015 and now 2016!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 28, 2015, 08:45:15 PM
Are the whole down squad starred for tomorrow nights matches ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 29, 2015, 09:44:45 PM
Jes if you were at the Kilcoo match tonight ya would be looking for a refund  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on May 29, 2015, 09:56:33 PM
Not if you were a Ballyholland man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on May 29, 2015, 11:28:09 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 29, 2015, 09:44:45 PM
Jes if you were at the Kilcoo match tonight ya would be looking for a refund  :o

Quite literally unbelievable!! Ud need more than a refund!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on May 29, 2015, 11:49:54 PM
Dreadful action from a Annaclone player tonight, what a cowardly thing to do no place for it on a football field disgraceful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 29, 2015, 11:54:15 PM
Quote from: gaamann on May 29, 2015, 11:49:54 PM
Dreadful action from a Annaclone player tonight, what a cowardly thing to do no place for it on a football field disgraceful.
Tell us all please
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on May 30, 2015, 12:03:58 AM
I'm led to believe it was caught on Camera..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on May 30, 2015, 12:13:30 AM
Don't know about the camera but if it is he may pray the player is ok unprovoked attack from the blind side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on May 30, 2015, 12:24:03 AM
Definately... It was a disgusting cowardly act and then acted like an absolute coward afterwards again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 30, 2015, 12:19:59 PM
Anyone want to provide any more information than that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on May 30, 2015, 12:47:34 PM
A closed fist assault by an Annaclone man on a young Glenn man on the blindside of the referee.. The aggressor was running past the young fella and done him.. He's a well known player and is/was an underage Referee in the county... Says plenty about him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on May 30, 2015, 09:20:39 PM
Hedgehunter any word on the player who was assaulted last night heard today he had a broken jaw any truth in it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on May 31, 2015, 10:39:27 AM
I haven't heard anything since..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: one day on June 01, 2015, 12:38:26 AM
See the Point ran Burren close on Friday night, good young squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on June 01, 2015, 11:07:45 AM
Was at the Kilcoo v Ballyholland game on friday night.  Some people who like to be heard might call it a tactical masterclass, others might call it david v goliath ending in a draw but any honest person would call it diabolical.  If this is the standard of coaching in our senior club teams then we are in trouble.  Yes you may say - should Ballyholland play like Longford yesterday and just roll over and let Kilcoo destroy them? Or should they have their players coached correctly to play the game?   What we see is - When we dont have the ball - 13 of yas run like hell into our defence and make it difficult for them to find their key forwards, make it difficult for them to find space and make it difficult for them to keep possession with tackles - when we get the ball - you 7 bomb forward off the shoulder and keep the ball - work it to our scorers and if we hit the target enough - we will stay in the game.
Or
This is how to defend, this is how to tackle, this is how to compete, this is what to do with the ball when we turnover possession and you have a number of your teammates ahead of you.  Taking the ball first time is key, moving the ball accurately is key, supporting the play if needed is key.  Its easy to talk about Corofin, Crossmaglen, St Brigids etc as they have beent at the top of the pile - but surely we can learn something from them. 
Kilcoo miss and need their county players (there are probably one or two too many on the panel anyhow) playing regularly to make strides in the championship this year.  they face the in form team in the county in the first round - but then again 2 years ago Burren were blazing a trail in front of themselves and won nothing...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on June 01, 2015, 11:41:21 AM
Remeber each time below where you think im defending the action read this - The actions of the Annaclone player was not acceptable and has no place on the field.

But just to add a bit of information regarding the incident. The Glenn player himself was just in the middle of 'assualting' another Annaclone player himself so lets not make this fella a martyr - He was in the wrong too. 2 wrongs dont make a right. All through the game off the ball incidents from Glenn happened, 6 hit out at 11 in one incident 2/3 times, 5 was involved with 12 a few times - Clearly seen from were we were standing. Part of a culture now to stop players playing. Are these classed as any different in terms of their seriousness or is the end result the determining factor?

The game was adondoned because the Glenn management and bench poured onto the field, the actions of their management in attacking players was also conduct which should not be seen on the GAA circuit. It was only at this point where the referee had no alternative but to call a halt to proceedings. I wonder if the video evidence will be produced as all incidents need dealt with and clubs should both complete whatever necessary steps to discipline those involved.

All in all I do hope the man's injury is not as severe as thought and wish him a speedy recovery, football is played for enjoyment not punishment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 01, 2015, 12:01:42 PM
Quote from: one day on June 01, 2015, 12:38:26 AM
See the Point ran Burren close on Friday night, good young squad.
Was at the game myself and thought Burren were always just doing enough to edge the game and made good use of a superior bench. The Point on that performance look to have enough to stay up. Thought the referee had a poor game let a lot of stuff go on off the ball that could have turned nasty.Still an entertaining game to watch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on June 01, 2015, 12:07:20 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on June 01, 2015, 11:41:21 AM
Remeber each time below where you think im defending the action read this - The actions of the Annaclone player was not acceptable and has no place on the field.

But just to add a bit of information regarding the incident. The Glenn player himself was just in the middle of 'assualting' another Annaclone player himself so lets not make this fella a martyr - He was in the wrong too. 2 wrongs dont make a right.

That is false. It isn't even a half truth, it is a complete lie.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on June 01, 2015, 01:40:52 PM
John Martin, I didn't see it myself but thats the rumour, we were watching the play which wasnt even close. Whats your thoughts on the rest of my comments, how is the player? I pay to see football like most people, not the scenes I seen there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fairplay on June 01, 2015, 06:06:11 PM
Quote from: fairplay on May 19, 2015, 06:43:49 PM
  Quiet times these days and looking through various other County Websites
and I must say the Down one is up there with the best of them.
When I said this a couple of weeks ago. I was joking.
Not a thing  in the News section since April 30th.  Not good enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: one day on June 01, 2015, 09:11:27 PM
Elk, what did you make of the two Burren corner backs tactics to curb Mc Aleenan and Mc Govern? Wouldn't get away with that if umpires or linesmen there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 01, 2015, 09:22:31 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on June 01, 2015, 11:41:21 AM
Remeber each time below where you think im defending the action read this - The actions of the Annaclone player was not acceptable and has no place on the field.

But just to add a bit of information regarding the incident. The Glenn player himself was just in the middle of 'assualting' another Annaclone player himself so lets not make this fella a martyr - He was in the wrong too. 2 wrongs dont make a right. All through the game off the ball incidents from Glenn happened, 6 hit out at 11 in one incident 2/3 times, 5 was involved with 12 a few times - Clearly seen from were we were standing. Part of a culture now to stop players playing. Are these classed as any different in terms of their seriousness or is the end result the determining factor?

The game was adondoned because the Glenn management and bench poured onto the field, the actions of their management in attacking players was also conduct which should not be seen on the GAA circuit. It was only at this point where the referee had no alternative but to call a halt to proceedings. I wonder if the video evidence will be produced as all incidents need dealt with and clubs should both complete whatever necessary steps to discipline those involved.

All in all I do hope the man's injury is not as severe as thought and wish him a speedy recovery, football is played for enjoyment not punishment.

I want to call you out on a couple of points, the information you thought that you should give out with regards to the incident is totally rediculous and a complete lie, the Annaclone player clearly struck the Glenn player in an unprevoked attack while running passed him, the Glenn player was at no fault whatsoever.

The game was abandoned because of the Assault that took place on the field, which happened right in front of the Glenn dugout, of course your going to get a rise from the Glenn sideline, the player got no protection from the referee as he was at the other side of the pitch and didnt see it. So to blame Glenn for the abandonment is again wrong. If the initial incident didnt happen, nothing would have happened.

I also personally believe that the referee blew a halt to preceedings too quickly, yes there was a scrum going on, but he did blow it very quick in my opinion and with him leaving the field then things got further out of hand.

His report of the incident should be interesting as i believe he didnt see our could report on an awful lot as he wasnt there.

As for the Annaclone player, why do it then run and run and run and run shouting "im sorry, i shouldnt have done it", why did he do it? it was shocking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 01, 2015, 09:34:10 PM
Quote from: one day on June 01, 2015, 09:11:27 PM
Elk, what did you make of the two Burren corner backs tactics to curb Mc Aleenan and Mc Govern? Wouldn't get away with that if umpires or linesmen there.

One Day You could include the whole full forward line in your question to Elk. Burren no 3 fouled our no 14 off the ball all night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 01, 2015, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 01, 2015, 09:34:10 PM
Quote from: one day on June 01, 2015, 09:11:27 PM
Elk, what did you make of the two Burren corner backs tactics to curb Mc Aleenan and Mc Govern? Wouldn't get away with that if umpires or linesmen there.

One Day You could include the whole full forward line in your question to Elk. Burren no 3 fouled our no 14 off the ball all night.
to be honest they wouldn't get away with it in a game with umpires and linesmen. The burren players took advantage of this and the point lads basically let them . Division 1 is a step up from what they experienced last year and they need to learn how to handle the extra attention you receive at this level and perhaps a few new tricks of their own - I'm sure they will !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on June 02, 2015, 12:41:57 PM
Good call Hedgehunter! But lets pick up the holes in your theory, firstly you must have been on the pitch to hear what he said as there was too much shouting going on from where we were to hear anything audible. Secondly, I've asked twice about the players injury and no crying from the roof tops about a broken jaw, merely a bit of face ache perhaps? - Is this any less of a 'crime' than the previous punches thrown by Glenn players I described earlier - Yet not one of you have the stomach to admit the failings on your own behalf - I have said the Annaclone player was wrong, rash, but struck after that player struck out himself - Whether you fail to believe that I dont really care, he hit out - Ask him to his face!

Now to the case of the abondoned game - How can the referee abondon a game over an alledged assault he didn't see, as pointed out in earlier posts. He's probably still none the wiser, considering the game kept going on the opposite side of the field. The referee called it to a halt once you and your sideline entered the field, ill-discipline throughout your team from start to finish.

At least provide honesty if you want an honest opinion back - Admit the failings. But I guess you'd rather the county focus on one persons actions rather than those of your entire management and team panel - Which are no different.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 02, 2015, 01:35:10 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 01, 2015, 09:34:10 PM
Quote from: one day on June 01, 2015, 09:11:27 PM
Elk, what did you make of the two Burren corner backs tactics to curb Mc Aleenan and Mc Govern? Wouldn't get away with that if umpires or linesmen there.

One Day You could include the whole full forward line in your question to Elk. Burren no 3 fouled our no 14 off the ball all night.


Jes lads you get this every Friday night FFS.  It's called corner backs being cute as they know when and where they can get away with it.  If the point corner backs are not up to the same they are a bit green and in the minority in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 02, 2015, 02:03:34 PM
Bound to be serious implications arising from the game.  Take the GAA's own internal procedures, I reckon the following rule will come into play:

7.2 Infractions
(d) Disruptive Conduct at Games by Players, Team Officials or Supporters, which occur on or in the vicinity of the Field of Play and which occur immediately before, during or after a Game:
(1) Premature Termination of a Game-  By reason of Serious Disruption by Players, Officials or Supporters of a Team.
Penalties:
Team – Forfeiture of the Game and Award to the Opposing Team (unless both Teams are responsible), save where there are exceptional mitigating factors involved.
Other Penalties - at the discretion of the Council or the Committee-in-Charge, subject to a Penalty being of a form provided for in Rules 7.1, 7.2 or
7.4 to 7.9 inclusive.

(e) Misconduct Considered to have Discredited the Association.
Penalties:
Member - A minimum 8 weeks suspension. Debarment and Expulsion from the Association may also be considered.
Team/Unit - Where suspension is deemed appropriate - a minimum of 8 weeks. A Fine, Disqualification and Expulsion from the Association may also be considered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 02, 2015, 02:32:41 PM
Hedgehunter and terrific tommy the reality is neither of you are doing your club any favours . Down follower surely you are not basing your punishments on board hearsay 😏
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 02, 2015, 02:55:36 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on June 02, 2015, 02:32:41 PM
Hedgehunter and terrific tommy the reality is neither of you are doing your club any favours . Down follower surely you are not basing your punishments on board hearsay 😏

Lot of talk throughout the county so board hearsay, absolutely, but corroborated by usual forms of hearsay ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 02, 2015, 03:40:58 PM
 Haven't had the pleasure of Glenn's hospitality for a few
years now but it's a pleasurable as our own.
   There'll 3 sides to all this.  Glenn's, Annaclone's and the truth
but none of these will come out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAAHEAD1960 on June 02, 2015, 04:02:13 PM
A seriously highly charged game, players and management clearly knew each other at a personal level. Referee should have shown more yellow cards to calm everything down lads don't go in so heavy when they might get a sending off. Despite the scuffles on field it was a good game of football until the last 5 minutes. I was seriously disappointed with the Glenn bench, any form of righteousness they had was lost when 10-15 men charged onto the field a more experienced management would have calmed their players down and dealt with the matter themselves. Alot of big hits between the two teams, don't think there was one saint on the field of play but that's all part of it. the rest was just handbags
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 02, 2015, 05:44:14 PM
  Move on and let the CB deal with this.
Thoughts for Sunday's Minor and Senior games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 02, 2015, 07:08:18 PM
Is there not a bit of 'history' between the same referee and the Glenn manager as in last year's championship I remember the manager giving it loads to all around him, county secretary, sideline monitor of Glenn as well as the referee and he would not leave the pitch when asked to a number of times by the referee?  Maybe the ref is getting his own back, long grass and all that craic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: one day on June 02, 2015, 07:43:06 PM
White goodman, your right about most fullbacks in the county are at that, that's why there's no good defenders in the County. The point are a bit green but I read today they started with 11 under 21 players from last year so experience will come.being cute is one thing doesn't excuse the Burren number 5 from putting the boot into a man on the ground and the Burren manager swinging elbows
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 02, 2015, 07:54:30 PM
Quote from: one day on June 02, 2015, 07:43:06 PM
White goodman, your right about most fullbacks in the county are at that, that's why there's no good defenders in the County. The point are a bit green but I read today they started with 11 under 21 players from last year so experience will come.being cute is one thing doesn't excuse the Burren number 5 from putting the boot into a man on the ground and the Burren manager swinging elbows

You would think that retired county defenders should know better  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on June 02, 2015, 08:56:03 PM
Quote from: one day on June 02, 2015, 07:43:06 PM
White goodman, your right about most fullbacks in the county are at that, that's why there's no good defenders in the County. The point are a bit green but I read today they started with 11 under 21 players from last year so experience will come.being cute is one thing doesn't excuse the Burren number 5 from putting the boot into a man on the ground and the Burren manager swinging elbows
[/quote

One day you commented the other day that you seen the point ran Burren close, followed up with asking Elk what he thought of Burren corner back tactics and then above you saying Burren No5 was kicking a man on the ground and that the Burren manager was swinging elbows???

For someone who only seen the result you are doing some slabbering!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weebob on June 02, 2015, 09:30:37 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on June 02, 2015, 08:56:03 PM
Quote from: one day on June 02, 2015, 07:43:06 PM
White goodman, your right about most fullbacks in the county are at that, that's why there's no good defenders in the County. The point are a bit green but I read today they started with 11 under 21 players from last year so experience will come.being cute is one thing doesn't excuse the Burren number 5 from putting the boot into a man on the ground and the Burren manager swinging elbows
[/quote

One day you commented the other day that you seen the point ran Burren close, followed up with asking Elk what he thought of Burren corner back tactics and then above you saying Burren No5 was kicking a man on the ground and that the Burren manager was swinging elbows???

For someone who only seen the result you are doing some slabbering!!!
+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 02, 2015, 10:09:57 PM
Quote from: weebob on June 02, 2015, 09:30:37 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on June 02, 2015, 08:56:03 PM
Quote from: one day on June 02, 2015, 07:43:06 PM
White goodman, your right about most fullbacks in the county are at that, that's why there's no good defenders in the County. The point are a bit green but I read today they started with 11 under 21 players from last year so experience will come.being cute is one thing doesn't excuse the Burren number 5 from putting the boot into a man on the ground and the Burren manager swinging elbows

One day you commented the other day that you seen the point ran Burren close, followed up with asking Elk what he thought of Burren corner back tactics and then above you saying Burren No5 was kicking a man on the ground and that the Burren manager was swinging elbows???

For someone who only seen the result you are doing some slabbering!!!
+1

+2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 02, 2015, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 02, 2015, 07:08:18 PM
Is there not a bit of 'history' between the same referee and the Glenn manager as in last year's championship I remember the manager giving it loads to all around him, county secretary, sideline monitor of Glenn as well as the referee and he would not leave the pitch when asked to a number of times by the referee?  Maybe the ref is getting his own back, long grass and all that craic.

Getting his own back,how?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 02, 2015, 10:19:48 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 02, 2015, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 02, 2015, 07:08:18 PM
Is there not a bit of 'history' between the same referee and the Glenn manager as in last year's championship I remember the manager giving it loads to all around him, county secretary, sideline monitor of Glenn as well as the referee and he would not leave the pitch when asked to a number of times by the referee?  Maybe the ref is getting his own back, long grass and all that craic.

Getting his own back,how?

Due to the actions of the Glenn sideline and players in the dugout. no?  Based on what I have heard and read on here, the player who struck was wrong but the Glenn reaction didn't help.  The ref probably didn't see the strike but certainly saw the reaction and this is why he abandoned the game, probably.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 02, 2015, 10:37:48 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 02, 2015, 10:19:48 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 02, 2015, 10:11:03 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 02, 2015, 07:08:18 PM
Is there not a bit of 'history' between the same referee and the Glenn manager as in last year's championship I remember the manager giving it loads to all around him, county secretary, sideline monitor of Glenn as well as the referee and he would not leave the pitch when asked to a number of times by the referee?  Maybe the ref is getting his own back, long grass and all that craic.

Getting his own back,how?

Due to the actions of the Glenn sideline and players in the dugout. no?  Based on what I have heard and read on here, the player who struck was wrong but the Glenn reaction didn't help.  The ref probably didn't see the strike but certainly saw the reaction and this is why he abandoned the game, probably.

Who knows what will happen...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 03, 2015, 05:21:11 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!  Boring-these love-ins between Annaclone/Glenn and Burren Cpn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 04, 2015, 12:30:31 PM
Not much talk of the big game on sunday here. I assume the team will be announced this evening, will Mooney start in the middle of the field?
Heading to Derry on sunday more in hope than anything else, long aul drive from the capital and back in one day.
do the minors have a chance? Looks like Donegal are the team to beat for Ulster in minor and Senior, amazing how far they have come since 2010 in Ballybofey at both levels, with down slipping the other way.
What a difference Rodgers, Gordon,  and Coulter would ve given this team, pity they werent given the oppurtunity of a break and joining up with the squad from springtime, i think McCorry will regret his stance, you dont ignore your best players who have given their all for the county and have nothing to prove just because they cant put in the effort from november, this is an amateur game after all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 04, 2015, 12:49:45 PM
Snoop, don't you know we are in championship mode now? No room for negativity or criticism. Its been outlawed by top brass.
That includes all original thoughts, realistic views, sound debate and criticism, constructive or otherwise.
Toe the party line. Remember the Down Way. The Kerrys and Dublins of this world don't know what they are at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on June 04, 2015, 01:48:23 PM
Talking shite again dog.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 04, 2015, 02:30:03 PM
 Snoop has a valid point of view. I wouldn't say it's sh-te.
Sunday will answer all points of view.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on June 04, 2015, 02:35:49 PM
He usually talks it, esp when he is abusing Down players on his little laptop
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 04, 2015, 03:51:34 PM
Quote from: extra time on June 04, 2015, 02:35:49 PM
He usually talks it, esp when he is abusing Down players on his little laptop

Bury your head you clown. What Down player am i abusing or have i ever abused.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 04, 2015, 03:56:14 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 04, 2015, 03:51:34 PM
Quote from: extra time on June 04, 2015, 02:35:49 PM
He usually talks it, esp when he is abusing Down players on his little laptop

Bury your head you clown. What Down player am i abusing or have i ever abused.

Sorry no i remember now i once questioned a previous All Star Keepers selection of kickouts  and this fool took it as a personnel attack on one of our greats, he was so enraged by it that he sent me personnal messages of insult.
If you cant debate a point then get off the board. Arent boards all about opinions.
I doubt the same fool would stare into a 500km +  round trip on sunday to support his County
End off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 04, 2015, 04:12:28 PM
 468Km round-trip from Dublin :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on June 04, 2015, 04:14:10 PM
Just the reply i was looking for. I will be in celtic pk on Sunday sitting beside the the player you abused and insulted. You could tell him to his face if you wanted. I will pm you our seat numbers if you require.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on June 04, 2015, 04:16:38 PM
Btw you actually blamed him personally for losing the final that day and that he dident deserve to receive an all star. Just in case any one wonders what this is all about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 04, 2015, 05:19:58 PM
Quote from: extra time on June 04, 2015, 04:16:38 PM
Btw you actually blamed him personally for losing the final that day and that he dident deserve to receive an all star. Just in case any one wonders what this is all about.
More in-fighting. Move along children.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 04, 2015, 05:26:18 PM
Quote from: extra time on June 04, 2015, 04:16:38 PM
Btw you actually blamed him personally for losing the final that day and that he dident deserve to receive an all star. Just in case any one wonders what this is all about.

Ok Lad, i cant remeber what exactly i said im sure you will remind me as you have a lot less posts than me to trawl through~( mine are al sh1te anyway allegedly)l . If i said what you say i did them im obv wrong and i have no problem admitting that. I do believe though that Brendans kickouts should have been varied as in the 2nd half of that Game Cork won everything in the middle, my true belief is though that 2 things needed to happen and Wee James was the man to make the decisions. He should have moved Big Dan out of defence and into the middle to compete for kick outs and James should ve told Big Brendan to take short kick outs.
i have obviously caused you offence with a post as you are either related or very close to the deserved All Star. But the above are my beliefs from that game. UNfortunately the county board seen fit to play a championship game between QF and Semi that year and we lost Ambrose who was very badly missed that day. young fitzpatrick did his best but was maybe a bit young at that stage although he had a good semi final against Kildare.

Unfortunately i wont be able to meet you and Brendan for a catch up as i will be on the terrace.
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Post by: snoopdog on June 04, 2015, 05:29:00 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 04, 2015, 04:12:28 PM
468Km round-trip from Dublin :o

do you know a quicker route Ross. AA say 496 round trip. Feckers must be taking me a roundabout way.
:)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 04, 2015, 05:53:27 PM
 Up to Belfast and onto Derry via Toome. Not the shortest but better and easier.
Lots of Motorway driving
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on June 04, 2015, 06:12:56 PM
Ok Snoopdog, i take that as an apology and let that be the end of it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 04, 2015, 06:23:33 PM
feck me some amount of bitching on here recently. everyone is very touchy.

travelling up to derry on sunday hoping we can put on a good show and more importantly get the win. very quiet build up on here and round the county. cant see many surprises when the team is announced, be interesting to see how we cope with the threat of eoin bradley.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 04, 2015, 06:37:26 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 04, 2015, 05:53:27 PM
Up to Belfast and onto Derry via Toome. Not the shortest but better and easier.
Lots of Motorway driving
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 04, 2015, 06:39:16 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 04, 2015, 06:37:26 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 04, 2015, 05:53:27 PM
Up to Belfast and onto Derry via Toome. Not the shortest but better and easier.


Lots of Motorway driving
Will look into it. Cheers. As you say might be better with motorway
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 04, 2015, 11:31:29 PM
Joe brolly with an excellent article in the gaelic life this week . Takes the ballyholland coach to task . Quality reading
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 05, 2015, 07:56:54 AM
I see Benny Coulter has called for Dan Gordon to brought back on to the county panel in todays Irish Independent. As I said before if Dublin can see fit to give Alan Brogan the winter off and Eamonn Fitzmaurice's handling of Declan O'Sullivan last year proved to be a masterstroke in eventually winning an all ireland. Do we have the strength in depth to cover the loss of Gordon, Coulter or Rodgers, it didnt look like it to me against Roscommon.

Im not being critical of the lads on the panel at all, but the players mentioned have done it at the highest level, have been our stand out players for a decade and im sure they would be a positive influence on the players currently on the panel. If its good enough for Kerry and Dublin, surely its good enough for us too. We might have enough to get past Derry, but at some stage of the season, possibly an ulster semi or hopefully final, McCorry will turn to his bench and there are 2/3 lads  who could pull us out of a hole and they will be in the stand.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 05, 2015, 09:57:49 AM
Quote from: ardtole on June 05, 2015, 07:56:54 AM
I see Benny Coulter has called for Dan Gordon to brought back on to the county panel in todays Irish Independent. As I said before if Dublin can see fit to give Alan Brogan the winter off and Eamonn Fitzmaurice's handling of Declan O'Sullivan last year proved to be a masterstroke in eventually winning an all ireland. Do we have the strength in depth to cover the loss of Gordon, Coulter or Rodgers, it didnt look like it to me against Roscommon.

Im not being critical of the lads on the panel at all, but the players mentioned have done it at the highest level, have been our stand out players for a decade and im sure they would be a positive influence on the players currently on the panel. If its good enough for Kerry and Dublin, surely its good enough for us too. We might have enough to get past Derry, but at some stage of the season, possibly an ulster semi or hopefully final, McCorry will turn to his bench and there are 2/3 lads  who could pull us out of a hole and they will be in the stand.
totally agree. But is it now too late to draft any of these lads in?
Any team news havent seen anything yet .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 05, 2015, 10:43:11 AM
Its too late now alright especially for the derry game. Its more the difference in management philisophy I was highlighing, maybe McCorry is more like Cody in that you are either in or out. Personally, Id like to have seen Gordon and Rodgers as an option at least on the bench on sunday, in my opinion they have givrn enough to the county to earn a bit of leeway at this stage of their career.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 05, 2015, 08:12:34 PM
Down team for Sunday.

Stevie Kane
Darren o Hagan
Luke Howard
Ryan Boyle
Damien Turley
Benny McArdle
Connail mc govern
Peter Fitzpatrick
Paul Devlin
Caolan Mooney
Connor maginn
Kevin McKernan
Mark poland
Connor laverty
Donal o hare
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 05, 2015, 10:05:41 PM
Is Peter Turley Injured? Very surprised he has been dropped
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Post by: Mourne Rover on June 05, 2015, 11:17:14 PM
There is a case for starting Turley on Doherty but Fitzpatrick has more pace, can take a score and is definitely on form. Boyle is also quick, which has probably got him the nod at corner back, although he was only on the fringe during the league. It is pretty close to the team we would have expected and the named positions will mean very little on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 07, 2015, 08:04:46 AM
good luck to all the down teams today including the camogs, who play today in the ulster final also against derry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on June 07, 2015, 05:01:51 PM
3 Down football teams now fail at Celtic
So much for all the hype.
Really disappointing day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 07, 2015, 06:16:58 PM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on June 07, 2015, 05:01:51 PM
3 Down football teams now fail at Celtic
So much for all the hype.
Really disappointing day.
What? Was the biscuits not nice as you sat
on your hole and didn't bother going?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Realmccoy on June 07, 2015, 07:16:10 PM
Whilst the result was disappoint there is also a lot of positives. We were competitive and could have won it with 14 men. The sending off was nothing short of a joke what do we have to do to keep 15 men on the park?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on June 07, 2015, 07:46:27 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 07, 2015, 06:16:58 PM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on June 07, 2015, 05:01:51 PM
3 Down football teams now fail at Celtic
So much for all the hype.
Really disappointing day.
What? Was the biscuits not nice as you sat
on your hole and didn't bother going?
Wobbler you are always the smart fella with the answers, I was in Derry today and thought both teams were poor. Am I not allowed to express an opinion?

As for the minors - not much change there in a year...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on June 07, 2015, 08:07:35 PM
Disappointing result, I thought they battled well in the 2nd half hard to win play with 14 men for that long.  Still prefer lavery out around the 45 can use his playing better there, and it's easier for him to get this ball.

Another year without an ulster title, and the run of poor underage teams does not make the future look to great either

Clarke would have made a big difference today, Polly just can't seem to make separation anymore and is to easy disposed

Would have been brilliant to have been able to bring Benny on for 15 mins
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 07, 2015, 08:20:41 PM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on June 07, 2015, 07:46:27 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 07, 2015, 06:16:58 PM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on June 07, 2015, 05:01:51 PM
3 Down football teams now fail at Celtic
So much for all the hype.
Really disappointing day.
What? Was the biscuits not nice as you sat
on your hole and didn't bother going?
Wobbler you are always the smart fella with the answers, I was in Derry today and thought both teams were poor. Am I not allowed to express an opinion?

As for the minors - not much change there in a year...
If you were at the match apologies but you posted at around 5pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on June 07, 2015, 08:31:17 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 07, 2015, 08:20:41 PM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on June 07, 2015, 07:46:27 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 07, 2015, 06:16:58 PM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on June 07, 2015, 05:01:51 PM
3 Down football teams now fail at Celtic
So much for all the hype.
Really disappointing day.
What? Was the biscuits not nice as you sat
on your hole and didn't bother going?
Wobbler you are always the smart fella with the answers, I was in Derry today and thought both teams were poor. Am I not allowed to express an opinion?

As for the minors - not much change there in a year...
If you were at the match apologies but you posted at around 5pm
Have you ever heard of 4G and it isn't a football pitch...🙈
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 07, 2015, 09:02:56 PM
Decision making by our forwards was very poor again today. Some afraid to shoot from.any distance.  2 average teams but a draw was there for the taking. We need a home qualifier. I think we will get Tyrone.  How much better would we have been with Gordon and Rodgers in midfield. I know get over it as it won't happen but another short summer is on the cards. Very long day today
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Post by: SHEEDY on June 07, 2015, 09:59:26 PM
Really disappointing day. Bad decision making at crucial times cost us. Some bad wides and poor shot selection in the last few minutes. Just watched a bit of the match back and I don't think you'll see a softer sending off all year. The boys battled well after that and just came up short.
The minors faded badly and were well beaten in the end. Bad day all round.
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Post by: Line Ball on June 07, 2015, 10:33:44 PM
I couldn't wait to get home to see why Mc Govern was sent off, sweet fcuk if that was a sending off then I am an Arab.  I think we really missed the boat today, we needed to push on late after a massive effort to put us back in the game but the changes on the line made absolutely no impact.  The brand of football we are playing, both minor and senior, is hard to watch and it really is not us.  If we were good at it and winning it might help but losing like that in both games is hard to take.
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Post by: guevara on June 08, 2015, 12:31:14 AM
The sending off aside that is a poor Down Team. Too many passengers who merely occupy a Jersey. You would seriously have to question if that is the best 15 Club Players in the County?

1 Kane Poor kickouts but wasn't troubled by a poor Derry attack.
2 O'Hagan Marked tight & had a decent game.
3 Howard Got the runaround by Bradley
4 Boyle Solid game. Harshly penalised by Kinsella's poor judgement.
5 Turley Didn't get forward enough. Average Footballer.
6 McArdle You would seriously have to ask is this fella the best number 6 in the County? Athlete with limited footballing ability.
7 McGovern Played out of position to accommodate others. Terrible decision with the sending off.
8 Fitzpatrick Cleaned out at Midfield.
9 Mooney Gone backwards as a result of his AFL Journey. Looks a very average footballer compared to his explosive underage days
10 Devlin Passenger - Game passed by.
11 Maginn As above
12 McKernan Showed his class in kicking a few beautiful scores
13 Poland Finished at this level. Spends more time on the ground than on the ball. Lacks pace & threat.
14 Lavery Industrious & had to drop deep to get on the ball . Better at 11 against blanket defences.
15 O'Hare Anonymous
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Post by: Courtney on June 08, 2015, 01:00:19 AM
Disappointing day.Seniors when down to 14 played with a bit of fire and only for lack of composure in front of the posts we might have sneaked through.All not lost for this squad and a run in the back door is very possible.
PD was very mentally strong today especially after his miss.Arthur deserves his chance at at least a half and Packie too made an impression when he came in.
McCorry maybe brought on the wrong Johnston with the way the game was going Ryan maybe was a better option for breaking the Derry lines. Lots to look forward to and a good draw would help.

Minors well that was putrid , only for the lucky goal we were devoid of ideas.Conceding 3.10 in last competitive match and then 2.11 today = zero strategy.Seemed like a Newry team with most players either from Newry or very close to it.No passion at all , more like a soccer set up , feel sorry for the players .Abbey yard ball spectators would have a better idea !Maybe if the management signed up for the Crumlin Road Gaol Fundraiser they'd get another year but hopefully our Co Board does the right thing and not fall for that .Taxi for management .Maybe Newry Town or Warrenpoint soccer could utilise them but my God  get them away from our future .
Looking at our underage we are in dire straits -does our Co Board care? Is it who you know? Who you work for ?

Look at the Dev Squads , Minor Management ,who leads our u15 , u16 a joke- clowns , do we care ?I'm sure a few Daddies about positioning themselves for their sons too...TP Murphy would't lead like that but .....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 08, 2015, 08:51:13 AM
Quote from: Courtney on June 08, 2015, 01:00:19 AM
Disappointing day.Seniors when down to 14 played with a bit of fire and only for lack of composure in front of the posts we might have sneaked through.All not lost for this squad and a run in the back door is very possible.
PD was very mentally strong today especially after his miss.Arthur deserves his chance at at least a half and Packie too made an impression when he came in.
McCorry maybe brought on the wrong Johnston with the way the game was going Ryan maybe was a better option for breaking the Derry lines. Lots to look forward to and a good draw would help.

Minors well that was putrid , only for the lucky goal we were devoid of ideas.Conceding 3.10 in last competitive match and then 2.11 today = zero strategy.Seemed like a Newry team with most players either from Newry or very close to it.No passion at all , more like a soccer set up , feel sorry for the players .Abbey yard ball spectators would have a better idea !Maybe if the management signed up for the Crumlin Road Gaol Fundraiser they'd get another year but hopefully our Co Board does the right thing and not fall for that .Taxi for management .Maybe Newry Town or Warrenpoint soccer could utilise them but my God  get them away from our future .
Looking at our underage we are in dire straits -does our Co Board care? Is it who you know? Who you work for ?

Look at the Dev Squads , Minor Management ,who leads our u15 , u16 a joke- clowns , do we care ?I'm sure a few Daddies about positioning themselves for their sons too...TP Murphy would't lead like that but .....
Surprised you actually waited until 1am to post your pathetic thoughts. Drink obviously on board along with hatred of Shane Mulholland and others make a hideous cocktail. Shame on you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 08, 2015, 09:25:59 AM
westmeath or Wexford away in qualifiers

Delaying the inevitable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 08, 2015, 12:30:53 PM
Guevera's assessment of our defence from yesterday is harsh. They held a Derry team who had an extra man for half the match to just 12 points, which should have given us the platform to win the game if our forwards had performed. It was O'Hagan, not Howard, who picked up Bradley, and both of them did well, while McArdle, Turley and Boyle were all very solid.

Our problems were further out the field, and should have been addressed at an earlier stage by our manager. There's no doubt that Fitzpatrick was poor and O'Hare and Maginn will be also be lucky to hold on to their places. Poland clearly struggled but he did miss a full month's training after his eye injury at Croke Park.

Guervera feels that Devlin was a passenger, but he was selected as one of the best three players on the pitch by the Sunday Game last night. The panelists praised his work at midfield, even though he did not actually play there. While he did not make a huge impact from play, his frees were still crucial in keeping the pressure on Derry.

It is difficult to see us going on an extended run in the qualifiers but our draw today was not the worst. The lack of quality up front is a concern, and we need to get midfield sorted out, so it is up to our manager to get the best out of the available resources. While our display yesterday was ordinary, there was at least a fair degree of second half spirit to build on.








Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on June 08, 2015, 01:24:13 PM
Agree with Guevera's comment on Kane's kick outs. But over the past few years we seem to have no strategy on our own kick outs. We were getting cleaned in midfield and the ball just keeps getting lumped down the middle. Take note of how well the Derry's kick outs were used yesterday, they clearly had a kick out strategy sorted before hand and not just lump the ball down the middle.

Thought the defence played well yesterday,  to keep a team to 12 points in a Championship match wasn't a bad return. The defence has taken a lot of criticism over the past few years, rightly or wrongly but give credit were its due.

Midfield got cleaned out. Hopefully that game yesterday will bring big Pete on a bit. It's his 1 Championship match since he's been back from Australia and hopefully he'll be a lot better for it. I know people have been saying he's been flying for Ballymartin..but they are a 2nd Division team and the standard of opposition wouldn't be that great. Was very disappointed in Mooney yesterday. Maybe we are expecting too much too soon from him and it will probably take a year or so to get adjusted to life back as a GAA player.

Forward line was very poor yesterday.  Conor Laverty very quiet in the 1st half but stepped up in the 2nd half when brought out the field and was involved in everything. PD Devlin's free taken was excellent but other than that thought he was very quiet. Kevin McKernan hit two great scores but didn't do enough for me out side of that. Maginn and O'Hare were very quiet and you wouldn't have thought they were on the field. Poland tried hard but this will probably been his last season as a starting player.

Subs didn't make much of an impact. Thought Jermone was very naive at the end trying to go for the Hollywood score and probably seen his name in lights instead of working the ball into a better position and getting the score that would have earned us a draw. I know we keep harping on about players who aren't there but how big of a lift would Benny had been, bringing him on with 20mins to go. He would have had the experience and composer to settle the game down and maybe get us over the line. Fingers crossed we can get a good run in the qualifiers and prolong our summer.

In reference to Courtney's comments regarding the minor management set up, can you please let us all know what your problem is with Shane Mulholland??   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 08, 2015, 01:47:22 PM
Last year McIvor chose to leave Bradley out of the Derry panel due to his commitments to other sports. Longford beat them in Celtic Park. This year he accomadated him and he was influential in contributing to Derrys success. In contrast McCorry chose not to accomadate Coulter, Gordon or Rodgers,not because they have other commitments but because at this stage of their football careers they need to be managed differently, these guys are not prima donnas, they have given an awful lot to Down football and would have been the difference yesterday. According to Coulters interview on Saturday Clarke was given the option of joining up with the squad but he was the only one. Its fine if McCorrys attitude is either all in or out, but apparently in Clarkes case its different. The option should have been the same for all four or none at all, and that is in no way being disrespectful to Martin Clarke.

In relation to Kanes kick outs ive a lot of sympathy for him. Derry can afford to push up on our defence because they were dominating in the air at midfield, they could force down into kicking short because they were winning the ball in the middle. Short kick outs are fine if you have the free man, Derry pushed up on the down defence forcing kane to kick long knowing they had the advantage there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on June 08, 2015, 01:54:44 PM
Heading to yesterdays game was a journey of hope rather than expectation. Given the relatively unknown in respect of the Derry team and, in my opinion, our flattering position in Div 2 I had hoped we had moved a little from our league performances.
So what did we witness? Two average teams. Down, for me, are just not a big enough threat going forward. We labour getting the ball into the forward line and then when we do it is fist pass after fist pass until we either lose it ourselves, get turned over or possibly win a free. We have no real potent threats, we don't break at speed and we try to walk the ball over the bar. I understand that we are not gifted with the most talented player in the country but surely they could do equally as well by played a more open brand of fast flowing football. It really is getting very hard to watch. Derry mind you were not much better. I thought we contained them fairly well in the second half but in the first half they did break through us easily at times and with the direct football they played in that half they were worthy of their 3 point winning margin at half time. So where do we go now, a run of some kind in the qualifiers which might bring a win or two but honestly I cant see much more than that. We play like a team that is afraid of losing rather than a team that is going to take it to the other team and go out and win.

In respect of the minor match, I thought we were again set up very defensively. I wouldn't know any of the players on it but if that is the best we have to offer then I fear for the future. I'm probably wrong but I barely remember a minor team winning a championship match in the past 5 or so years. I know nothing about the set up in minors or seniors. Obviously Jim Mc Corry has a long list of credentials, I'm not sure what the minor managements credentials are but I do believe that all those people involved in either selecting managements or those who are currently in the role need to sit down asap and analyse what can be done differently because the way it is at the minute Down are going to be also rans for a long time to come.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 08, 2015, 02:23:04 PM
One issue I think with the two games was that the county board (to the best of my knowledge) didn't put either team up in Derry overnight. Some of the minor players travelled from Belfast to Newry at seven in the morning, to then head back up the road past their own homes on the bus on the way to Derry. Having seen a few of the players on the senior panel on Saturday evening I presume they didn't stay the night on Saturday either. In this day an age, a team can hardly be expected to perform to 100% of their ability in what is a professional situation in an Ulster championship match after that journey. I was stiff and tired enough after the trip up the road myself, so I can only imagine what the seniors felt like, never mind the Belfast based minors who could well have been up since half six yesterday morning. I think the management and county board need to have a look at themselves if they think a weekend away in London is a more effective expense than a night in Derry that could have saved the players two hours or more on a cramped bus seat.

In terms of the match itself, I think some of the problems could be fixed by McCorry. Down were altogether too slow in moving the ball up the pitch. How many times did Kane's short kickouts go to a corner back who then wandered up the line looking for a man to make a move, or fistpass the ball to a half back to do the same. Likewise, when the ball was turned over in midfield or the half back line, the ball was not kicked or even ran at pace to the forward line, allowing Derry time to set up their packed defence. Even when the defence was set up, the full forward line were clearly instructed to drift out about 40m from goal, leaving one man inside - leaving O'Hare or Laverty to receive the ball forty yards from the end line, with their backs to goal, in a static position, with three Derry men ready to suffocate them. Lads like that could wreak havoc with a decent, fast, low ball into them on the 21 before Derry could mass their defence, or even if the ball was ran in at pace allowing them to come off the shoulder, or simply receive the ball close in, turn and shoot. They're capable of doing it, as was shown by O'Hare once or twice against Roscommon in Croker.

As regards Mooney, I think he just needs to be given a bit more time. I think it's obvious enough his confidence is low at the minute, especially as regards to shooting - he mentions in the pre match programme that his biggest weakness is 'my shooting has been a bit hit and miss lately' - twice he was through down the middle and could have slipped it over to level the match or put Down ahead, but chose to pass and lost the ball. McCorry needs to instruct one of the older lads (maybe even ask Clarke to show him away from Down training seeing as they seem to be good friends) how to shoot again. To be honest, the whole team could probably do with some practice at the long range shooting, if three or four more had the ability and legs to stick it over from 45 or 50 metres we'd probably be in the semis right now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 08, 2015, 02:26:10 PM
Our defence is fairly decent , especially that they seem to play a lot of the time with a man less than quota.

Our midfield is non existent, and has been all year. I understand that we do not have any midfielders in the county that meet the standard of MDMA or the O'Shea's. But there were far better midfielders watching the match on TV. In all honesty if Bridge, Burren, Bryansford... went out to play a game and the opposition midfield was Fitzpatrick and PD would they not be feeling confident of winning that battle? Fitzpatrick's selection in particular bamboozles me. When has he ever looked outstanding against one of the better county teams?

We could get round the midfield problem by varying kick outs and breaking the ball. The bigger problem is in getting scores. I am astonished that if we are persevering with a two man forward line that one of them isn't a physical target man. We have both McConville and Downey available. We need to have a direct option or we just end up running the ball into a wall of defenders. We are going nowhere until we get a target man in the team to claim the ball close in and bring play up the pitch in one accurate kick. How much could Laverty and O'Hare profit from someone playing the ball down to them close in? Possibly even the likes of Mooney and McKernan coming in from deep to be fed by the big fella up front.

McConville isn't going to solo a ball 30 yards and dance through a defence but he certainly is capable of fielding a ball against a full-back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 08, 2015, 02:53:49 PM
PaulD, Devlin was named at midfield yesterday but was moved away immediately, did not contest either throw-in and took on a roving role. Our midfield was Fitzpatrick and Mooney in the first half and McKernan and Downey for most of the second. It is a fair point that McConville's size could make a difference up front, but all his best football in the league was as an impact sub. A pairing of Mooney and Johnston in the full forward line could be worth a look the next day.

A more adventurous approach, although it may not be likely, would be for McCorry to say that he had picked his squad for the league and Ulster championship with the requirement that they all participated in a full pre-season programme, but, now that both competitions are over, he will make changes. At least two players have left the squad since the league final and we have another couple of injuries to cope with, so there are places available. The lift that a recall for Benny and Dan would give us, even coming off the bench, is enormous. Instead of demotivating the younger players, an injection of experience would bring them on significantly.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 08, 2015, 04:23:11 PM
Quote from: downup on June 08, 2015, 01:54:44 PM
Heading to yesterdays game was a journey of hope rather than expectation. Given the relatively unknown in respect of the Derry team and, in my opinion, our flattering position in Div 2 I had hoped we had moved a little from our league performances.
So what did we witness? Two average teams. Down, for me, are just not a big enough threat going forward. We labour getting the ball into the forward line and then when we do it is fist pass after fist pass until we either lose it ourselves, get turned over or possibly win a free. We have no real potent threats, we don't break at speed and we try to walk the ball over the bar. I understand that we are not gifted with the most talented player in the country but surely they could do equally as well by played a more open brand of fast flowing football. It really is getting very hard to watch. Derry mind you were not much better. I thought we contained them fairly well in the second half but in the first half they did break through us easily at times and with the direct football they played in that half they were worthy of their 3 point winning margin at half time. So where do we go now, a run of some kind in the qualifiers which might bring a win or two but honestly I cant see much more than that. We play like a team that is afraid of losing rather than a team that is going to take it to the other team and go out and win.

In respect of the minor match, I thought we were again set up very defensively. I wouldn't know any of the players on it but if that is the best we have to offer then I fear for the future. I'm probably wrong but I barely remember a minor team winning a championship match in the past 5 or so years. I know nothing about the set up in minors or seniors. Obviously Jim Mc Corry has a long list of credentials, I'm not sure what the minor managements credentials are but I do believe that all those people involved in either selecting managements or those who are currently in the role need to sit down asap and analyse what can be done differently because the way it is at the minute Down are going to be also rans for a long time to come.
The minor team disappointingly faded badly in the 2nd half after giving us hope when taking the lead and it would make one worry about the future, although the present squad of seniors is not giving us much to get excited about. One straw to grasp is that the minor team of 2013 did beat Derry at Celtic Park before falling against Tyrone in the semi. It will be interesting to see how many of that team feature for the U21's next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FML on June 08, 2015, 05:05:33 PM
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[quote author=Courtney link=topic=25.msg1476517#msg1476517 date=

Minors well that was putrid , only for the lucky goal we were devoid of ideas.Conceding 3.10 in last competitive match and then 2.11 today = zero strategy.Seemed like a Newry team with most players either from Newry or very close to it.No passion at all , more like a soccer set up , feel sorry for the players .Abbey yard ball spectators would have a better idea !Maybe if the management signed up for the Crumlin Road Gaol Fundraiser they'd get another year but hopefully our Co Board does the right thing and not fall for that .Taxi for management .Maybe Newry Town or Warrenpoint soccer could utilise them but my God  get them away from our future .
Looking at our underage we are in dire straits -does our Co Board care? Is it who you know? Who you work for ?

Look at the Dev Squads , Minor Management ,who leads our u15 , u16 a joke- clowns , do we care ?I'm sure a few Daddies about positioning themselves for their sons too...TP Murphy would't lead like that but .....
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Can you name these individuals you have issue with?
Who are the minor back room ream members that are "a joke - clowns' & who are the Development Squad coaches who have problems with?
What does the County Board have to do to sort out these "dire straits"?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 08, 2015, 05:57:33 PM
Quote from: FML on June 08, 2015, 05:05:33 PM
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[quote author=Courtney link=topic=25.msg1476517#msg1476517 date=

Minors well that was putrid , only for the lucky goal we were devoid of ideas.Conceding 3.10 in last competitive match and then 2.11 today = zero strategy.Seemed like a Newry team with most players either from Newry or very close to it.No passion at all , more like a soccer set up , feel sorry for the players .Abbey yard ball spectators would have a better idea !Maybe if the management signed up for the Crumlin Road Gaol Fundraiser they'd get another year but hopefully our Co Board does the right thing and not fall for that .Taxi for management .Maybe Newry Town or Warrenpoint soccer could utilise them but my God  get them away from our future .
Looking at our underage we are in dire straits -does our Co Board care? Is it who you know? Who you work for ?

Look at the Dev Squads , Minor Management ,who leads our u15 , u16 a joke- clowns , do we care ?I'm sure a few Daddies about positioning themselves for their sons too...TP Murphy would't lead like that but .....


Can you name these individuals you have issue with?
Who are the minor back room ream members that are "a joke - clowns' & who are the Development Squad coaches who have problems with?
What does the County Board have to do to sort out these "dire straits"?
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Courtney will never answer any questions on his ravings.  I should have ignored him
but sadly replied to him earlier. A clown!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 08, 2015, 06:06:55 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 08, 2015, 02:53:49 PM
PaulD, Devlin was named at midfield yesterday but was moved away immediately, did not contest either throw-in and took on a roving role...

Fair enough, PD wasn't really playing midfield, but at any rate Mooney and Fitzpatrick would not strike fear into the midfield's of half the club Division 1 sides. And was it Mooney, or McKernan, or Downey, maybe even McCardle at times? So hard to tell who exactly was meant to be in midfield when so many players are shuffling around the area. We do not have traditional fielding mid-fielders and we don't have an obvious break-ball strategy either. It is one of three or four trying to catch. Maginn was poor yesterday but is a very good break ball player. But he is not really used as such. instead we hump a high ball to midfield and try to catch it, even though we are consistently out-fielded.

I see no co-ordination between the players. Not like say McKernan is jumping for the ball and is looking for where Maginn is to play it down to him, or maybe Mooney or Poland. If a clean catch is not obviously on I can't see why players are not positioning themselves and aiming for a break down.

At any rate in every game i have seen (missed Westmeath) we are consistently out fielded in the middle and if we continue with teh current srategy of trying to win high ball then it will be a short summer for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 08, 2015, 06:34:47 PM
lads what ever yous think of courtney and his ramblings he does have a point, although many people dont want to hear any negativity about down football. no ulster title at senior level since 1994, no ulster title at minor level since 1999, can anyone see this changing anytime soon.

with regards to the minor set up, arguably the best team in down at this level for the past few years and again this year have been burren. they had 1 player on the team!! 1 player starting from east down? something is wrong with the underage structure in down if we are getting well beat every year. where is all the underage talent? when is the last time the u21's had any success? these defeats at underage level year after year dont happen by accident.
shane mulhollands minors were well beaten in the 1st round by tyrone last year and by derry this year, if this was the senior team there would be post after post on here looking for a change in manager. should we just accept defeat year after year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 08, 2015, 09:36:00 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 08, 2015, 06:34:47 PM

with regards to the minor set up, arguably the best team in down at this level for the past few years and again this year have been burren. they had 1 player on the team!!

Two to be fair, the other didn't get playing at all in a game I believe was probably set up for him to come on as a sub in the second half. I agree with the rest of the post Sheedy, I think Mulholland is out of his depth at this level, the massed defence didn't work at all and leaving one small forward up as a target man for most of the match didn't work. He still hasn't won a knockout match at four attempts (if you include league semi finals).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on June 09, 2015, 01:46:31 PM
Well then, I know its early days but is anyone excited about the qualifiers yet?

I'm not.

Anyway, watched the match back last night and boys a dear it wasn't any easier the 2nd time. We should have won being the completely dominant team in the 2nd half. Theres a certain irony that the best player on the pitch was facilitated by his manager all year so that he could make some kind of difference on the day. and he did, he was the difference. O'Hagan did well on him though as did most of our defenders on their men but Bradley just always looked a threat in the inside forward line which unfortunately we did'nt have.

I loathe to criticise our players they gave everything, 110% as they have all year, but they are small and light as we all know but surely theres a better gameplan?. An interesting point I noticed was that in the 2nd half down to 14 men the boys looked dangerous when kicking some fine balls into the Derry backline, most of which produced scoring opportunities or scorable frees. The sideways handpassing was abandoned for a time (I know unbelievable). Its very disheartening that we go another year without an Ulster but we have at least a decent draw for the qualifiers even though its a joke that its another away fixture.

But the question are, is it only delaying the inevitable ? or will our team of wee men with their fighting spirit punch above their weight and do some damage during the summer?

The manager is the right man for the job and no doubt will stick to his guns but I/ we'd love to see some old faces back, it surely can't do much damage to what Jim is building for the future.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2015, 02:15:44 PM
Some people are completely delusional not to mention infatuated with the notion that Clarke (and some cases Mooney) are the second coming and will fix all Down's problems.
Its cringeworthy to be honest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 09, 2015, 02:27:01 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2015, 02:15:44 PM
Some people are completely delusional not to mention infatuated with the notion that Clarke (and some cases Mooney) are the second coming and will fix all Down's problems.
Its cringeworthy to be honest.

So what do you see as Down's problems?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 09, 2015, 02:29:55 PM
Dont think Clarke alone would make much difference but add Rooney, Gordon, Mallon, Clarke and Coulter to the spine of that team and it adds a lot of quality ( never mind height, power and strength......something that was severely missing from the under 12 team sent out on Sunday)

All but Clarke from the above list are excluded from the panel not by their own choice (mallon left because of a lack of game time not because of a new job as far as I am aware)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2015, 02:42:21 PM
Downs problems in my view are deeper rooted than adult level.
Too much money and resources are being spent on the top of the pyramid when really the investment should be made at the developmental level. Underage and schools infrastructure needs improving with the appointing of qualified, appropriate personnel in place at all levels, with a proper plan/strategy or process in place. If a professional approach is not taken and a serious look at how we do things then we are on a road to nowhere. We will continue to do things the Down Way and results from sundays games will probably continue.
Down are miles behind what other counties are doing at underage and development level.
But that's only my view.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 09, 2015, 02:58:30 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2015, 02:42:21 PM
Downs problems in my view are deeper rooted than adult level.
Too much money and resources are being spent on the top of the pyramid when really the investment should be made at the developmental level. Underage and schools infrastructure needs improving with the appointing of qualified, appropriate personnel in place at all levels, with a proper plan/strategy or process in place. If a professional approach is not taken and a serious look at how we do things then we are on a road to nowhere. We will continue to do things the Down Way and results from sundays games will probably continue.
Down are miles behind what other counties are doing at underage and development level.
But that's only my view.

we have someone in place getting a yearly wage to sort this out, our games and development manager and his team of coaches?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2015, 03:12:48 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on June 09, 2015, 02:58:30 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2015, 02:42:21 PM
Downs problems in my view are deeper rooted than adult level.
Too much money and resources are being spent on the top of the pyramid when really the investment should be made at the developmental level. Underage and schools infrastructure needs improving with the appointing of qualified, appropriate personnel in place at all levels, with a proper plan/strategy or process in place. If a professional approach is not taken and a serious look at how we do things then we are on a road to nowhere. We will continue to do things the Down Way and results from sundays games will probably continue.
Down are miles behind what other counties are doing at underage and development level.
But that's only my view.

we have someone in place getting a yearly wage to sort this out, our games and development manager and his team of coaches?

Can you name them all please. Out of curiosity
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on June 09, 2015, 04:44:49 PM
Just picking up on the point of the development squads - we employ coaches to go round our schools to coach the young children the basics of football, now whilst this is admirable can we not also utilise some of these (paid) coaches in coaching our development squads or at least oversee the coaching that is being done so that there is a plan in place and a development plan and timeline adhered to in respect of these (above average) players to enable them to improve. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: fairplay on June 09, 2015, 05:03:35 PM
Quote from: fairplay on June 01, 2015, 06:06:11 PM
Quote from: fairplay on May 19, 2015, 06:43:49 PM
  Quiet times these days and looking through various other County Websites
and I must say the Down one is up there with the best of them.
When I said this a couple of weeks ago. I was joking.
Not a thing  in the News section since April 30th.  Not good enough.
Well done whoever for the new Down Website. Excellent.
Sunday was disappointing for both Senior and Minor games but
we've a good first chance in the Qualifiers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 09, 2015, 05:29:31 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2015, 03:12:48 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on June 09, 2015, 02:58:30 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2015, 02:42:21 PM
Downs problems in my view are deeper rooted than adult level.
Too much money and resources are being spent on the top of the pyramid when really the investment should be made at the developmental level. Underage and schools infrastructure needs improving with the appointing of qualified, appropriate personnel in place at all levels, with a proper plan/strategy or process in place. If a professional approach is not taken and a serious look at how we do things then we are on a road to nowhere. We will continue to do things the Down Way and results from sundays games will probably continue.
Down are miles behind what other counties are doing at underage and development level.
But that's only my view.

we have someone in place getting a yearly wage to sort this out, our games and development manager and his team of coaches?

Can you name them all please. Out of curiosity

Conor O Toole, Hardy (one of them from Cstlwellan), Ambrose Rogers, Brendan Coulter, Mark Polnd, Kylie Trainor

not sure anyone else? Who are n charge of all the Development squads. anyone know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 09, 2015, 09:11:57 PM
Quote from: fairplay on June 09, 2015, 05:03:35 PM
Quote from: fairplay on June 01, 2015, 06:06:11 PM
Quote from: fairplay on May 19, 2015, 06:43:49 PM
  Quiet times these days and looking through various other County Websites
and I must say the Down one is up there with the best of them.
When I said this a couple of weeks ago. I was joking.
Not a thing  in the News section since April 30th.  Not good enough.
Well done whoever for the new Down Website. Excellent.
Sunday was disappointing for both Senior and Minor games but
we've a good first chance in the Qualifiers.

Agreed...looks much better. However still a bit of work to be done...according to the senior footballers profiles they all went to the same school, they are all teachers and  all of them have  Muhammad Ali as their sporting heroes ;D...early days it'll be grand. Good work so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 09, 2015, 11:34:20 PM
A few thoughts on improving Down football:

More amalgamations at underage level to increase 15 a side leagues .

Try the divisional model again for the  senior championship.  its its good enough for Kerry.......

Go games: I believe this holds back the best kids we have. Kids strive on competition! Surely there is a better model?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 10, 2015, 10:37:37 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 09, 2015, 11:34:20 PM
A few thoughts on improving Down football:

More amalgamations at underage level to increase 15 a side leagues .

Try the divisional model again for the  senior championship.  its its good enough for Kerry.......

Go games: I believe this holds back the best kids we have. Kids strive on competition! Surely there is a better model?

The Go games thing;
AFAIK its up to U12 that it runs which in my mind is right, but in saying that our best U12's play U14 and get as much competition as they want, no conscious decision, just lack of numbers.

As for competition, kids are inherently competitive and I've heard the 'holding the best kids back' argument as well, but it doesn't hold water as why does it matter if the referee keeps the score or not, the kids themselves will tell you if they won or not.

In hurling the rules are tapered to prevent kids solo running (to an extent) so the big kids don't run riot and have to adapt their game accordingly and I think thats right to ensure everyone gets a go at it, plus there's plenty other skills for them to master at an age appropriate time.


I'm sure there's also certain restrictions in football accordingly, but its madness when you see some big kids just dominate a game, taking every side line, every free, even kick/puck outs at times.

I don't see how that benefits anyone short term or long term.

One thing that does get on my wick is there's no concerted plan coming out of Castlewellan, go to one underage blitz on a saturday and it'll be one set of rules, go to another one somewhere else and its different again depending on the host club!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 10, 2015, 11:09:35 AM
not sure if this wasposted already. but Conor Deegans view on Down football
This time last year, double All-Ireland winner Conor Deegan caused something of a flap prior to Down's preliminary round opener against Tyrone when he suggested that survival in Division Two was as good as James McCartan could have hoped for with the players available, and he hadn't much hope for them in the Championship either.


Deegan has since moved home after 16 years spent living, playing and managing in Dublin.

He sees more Down football than ever and one incident in particular has left him considering the root cause of what may be the issue with the Mournemen.

Managing Aughlisnafin in Division Three, Deegan's side have won eight of their 10 games so far this season and are on course for promotion.

During a recent game against St Paul's, he was about to tend to an injured player when a member of the opposition told him to get off the pitch.

Deegan recalled: "I turned around to him and said, 'You look after yourself, don't worry about it'.

"And his response to me was, 'You don't know how to play football. All you do is kick it long into your full-forward line'.

"Now, he was only a young lad, but has the perception of football changed to such a degree that now if you kick the ball you are seen to be doing something wrong?

"I actually walked off the pitch smiling to myself, thinking, 'This game has changed to such an extent that I don't even know if I can deal with it anymore'."

The intermittent period has done nothing to convince Deegan that he was wrong last year, as Down seek to land a win over Derry in Celtic Park tomorrow, 21 years after he and his colleagues won what is held up as one of the greatest games of all-time between the sides, before they went on to capture Sam Maguire.

"I think the resources in Down at the moment are quite sparse," he commented.


"I have only been back in Down for six or seven months now, but I have seen enough matches to realise that the standard of football isn't as good as it should be. The quality definitely isn't there."

Deegan also feels that Down should tap into their traditions and realise that a defensive system does not need to subjugate every other aspect of their play.

He explained: "I have moved with the times, but I do believe, and it is not just a romantic notion, that Down did play a certain style of football.

"Now, they try to play a running game and they are not big enough. They are a very small side and they struggle because of this."

He also expressed his fears for the future of the game, adding: "Football in general is losing its way. Gaelic was the only game in the world where it wasn't about containment.

"Unfortunately it has become exactly that. The horse has bolted, and it will probably never change."

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 10, 2015, 11:11:07 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 09, 2015, 11:34:20 PM
A few thoughts on improving Down football:

More amalgamations at underage level to increase 15 a side leagues .

Try the divisional model again for the  senior championship.  its its good enough for Kerry.......

Go games: I believe this holds back the best kids we have. Kids strive on competition! Surely there is a better model?

Would agree that there is an issue with fewer teams playing 15 a side.
The game is 15 a side at senior level, and underage football should equip players for senior football.
Amalgamations have their problems with no clubs in Down or elsewhere being able to replicate the successful model for amalgamation which has been achieved by "Sean stinsons" in Antrim. In this amalgamation, two small lower league clubs , aghoghill and portglenone both developing into strong senior sides playing in many county finals on the way. Aghoghill in fact we're in danger of extinction but are now div 1 in football and hurling , and have hosted county senior finals and NFL matches in their impressive grounds. In Down , by comparison, amalgamations tend to be temporary and haphazard.
I fear that The recent introduction of 11 and 9 a side leagues at u14/16/18 could be detrimental to clubs , as their players don't get exposed to 15 a side football, instead learning their skills in a looser , less pressured environment .
The go-games concept is well meaning , and involving and developing ALL players at this level is a positive development, as you can't predict which players are going to develop into senior players. However I feel the introduction of go games has contributed to there being less clubs able to field at 15 a side from u14 onwards. Clubs only have to field 9 or 11 a side for go games, but they are then looking to get a squad of 20 together at u14 level. At 9 a side for example mentors either leave players along the line, as only 9 can play, or be happy to go with a smaller squad, rather than working to get all available players out.
Gaa needs to respond to demographic changes such as smaller families and dwindling rural populations and decreasing physical activity, by making the game 13 a side overall , and encouraging clubs to prepare to field 13 a side teams at all levels .
I think divisional senior teams , as per Kerry , is a development that Downgaa need to facilitate and promote, at minor and senior level, to allow any player in Down , with the ability and attitude to potentially play county football , the opportunity to showcase their strengths in an enhanced MFC and SFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 10, 2015, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 10, 2015, 11:09:35 AM
not sure if this wasposted already. but Conor Deegans view on Down football
This time last year, double All-Ireland winner Conor Deegan caused something of a flap prior to Down's preliminary round opener against Tyrone when he suggested that survival in Division Two was as good as James McCartan could have hoped for with the players available, and he hadn't much hope for them in the Championship either.


Deegan has since moved home after 16 years spent living, playing and managing in Dublin.

He sees more Down football than ever and one incident in particular has left him considering the root cause of what may be the issue with the Mournemen.

Managing Aughlisnafin in Division Three, Deegan's side have won eight of their 10 games so far this season and are on course for promotion.

During a recent game against St Paul's, he was about to tend to an injured player when a member of the opposition told him to get off the pitch.

Deegan recalled: "I turned around to him and said, 'You look after yourself, don't worry about it'.

"And his response to me was, 'You don't know how to play football. All you do is kick it long into your full-forward line'.

"Now, he was only a young lad, but has the perception of football changed to such a degree that now if you kick the ball you are seen to be doing something wrong?

"I actually walked off the pitch smiling to myself, thinking, 'This game has changed to such an extent that I don't even know if I can deal with it anymore'."

The intermittent period has done nothing to convince Deegan that he was wrong last year, as Down seek to land a win over Derry in Celtic Park tomorrow, 21 years after he and his colleagues won what is held up as one of the greatest games of all-time between the sides, before they went on to capture Sam Maguire.

"I think the resources in Down at the moment are quite sparse," he commented.


"I have only been back in Down for six or seven months now, but I have seen enough matches to realise that the standard of football isn't as good as it should be. The quality definitely isn't there."

Deegan also feels that Down should tap into their traditions and realise that a defensive system does not need to subjugate every other aspect of their play.

He explained: "I have moved with the times, but I do believe, and it is not just a romantic notion, that Down did play a certain style of football.

"Now, they try to play a running game and they are not big enough. They are a very small side and they struggle because of this."

He also expressed his fears for the future of the game, adding: "Football in general is losing its way. Gaelic was the only game in the world where it wasn't about containment.

"Unfortunately it has become exactly that. The horse has bolted, and it will probably never change."
He certainly has moved with the times--Managing in Down Div 3. What Football would he have seen in Down as generally
Div 1 and 2 are playing at the same time as Div 3 fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on June 10, 2015, 07:29:19 PM
Might have been discussed before, apologies if it has, but how many of Sundays team would have made the 91 Team for example. For what it's worth, I think Darren O Hagan and Kevin McKernan would have started in any of the teams we have produced in last 25 years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 10, 2015, 09:34:52 PM
It's notoriously difficult to compare players from different eras, and the team spirit from 1991 would be even harder to replicate. However, for hypotherical discussion purposes, Darren O'Hagan and Kevin McKernan might edge out Brendan McKernan and John Kelly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on June 10, 2015, 09:43:10 PM
Not one player would have got on 91 or 94 team. Fact!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on June 10, 2015, 10:09:02 PM
not one player would get on the 91/94 Down team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outback on June 12, 2015, 10:14:40 AM
  My posts about Sunday's alleged Minor Football misbehaviour have been removed.
I can't understand why?  These allegations are more than just rumour and have every
right to be posted on here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on June 12, 2015, 12:23:55 PM
Quote from: outback on June 12, 2015, 10:14:40 AM
  My posts about Sunday's alleged Minor Football misbehaviour have been removed.
I can't understand why?  These allegations are more than just rumour and have every
right to be posted on here.

You're a real yap outback, did ur poor wee fella not get on the minor panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 12, 2015, 12:35:19 PM
Mullholland may just be unlucky in that the quality just isnt there the last 2 years. end off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outback on June 12, 2015, 01:08:43 PM
Quote from: TooLongRef on June 12, 2015, 12:23:55 PM
Quote from: outback on June 12, 2015, 10:14:40 AM
  My posts about Sunday's alleged Minor Football misbehaviour have been removed.
I can't understand why?  These allegations are more than just rumour and have every
right to be posted on here.

You're a real yap outback, did ur poor wee fella not get on the minor panel?
i wasn't blessed with boys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 12, 2015, 01:26:51 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 12, 2015, 12:35:19 PM
Mullholland may just be unlucky in that the quality just isnt there the last 2 years. end off

The removed posts had nothing to do with what happened on the pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 13, 2015, 01:46:28 PM
half way through the league in division 1 it looks like leitrim, clan na banna are gone and longstone and downpatrick look like joining them in division 2. any 2 from 4 or 5 clubs for the last relegation places.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 13, 2015, 01:52:15 PM
We put in our best performance of the year last night beating the point. Our experienced players were key to the victory. It was great to see Conor Garvey play and he was outstanding at full back before moving out the field and scoring two fine points. He will be a miss to us next week when we travel to Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 13, 2015, 02:55:27 PM
Saw a bit of an U10 tournament today and I noticed Kilcoo were playing with the packed defence/midfield like their seniors and Down do. I think it's absolutely crazy playing a blanket defence at U10 level. The only justification I can think for it is that they're trying to get the players used to playing a system early so they fit seamlessly into it when they're older, which is still stupid. By the time those lads are playing senior or even minor, tactics could well have moved on. I can't imagine how boring it is for natural forwards at that age being told to drop back and defend en masse instead of expressing themselves as forwards. The opposition's two full backs just stood beside each other talking for half the game. Surely Kilcoo and other clubs that try this would be better served trying to produce good players so that the need to play defensive tactics is negated in the future?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on June 13, 2015, 10:04:18 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 10, 2015, 09:34:52 PM
It's notoriously difficult to compare players from different eras, and the team spirit from 1991 would be even harder to replicate. However, for hypotherical discussion purposes, Darren O'Hagan and Kevin McKernan might edge out Brendan McKernan and John Kelly.

Don't agree with the john kelly comment, I thought kelly was a great player, and as hard as rocks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 14, 2015, 12:41:25 AM
Highlander, there was no negative comment on John Kelly, who was a brilliant half back, but the suggestion was that Kevin McKernan mght be a slightly better all-round footballer who has represented his country with distinction, covers his defence, wins the ball down the middle and gets up to take exceptional scores. Are you saying that Kelly was better than McKernan ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on June 14, 2015, 02:58:58 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 14, 2015, 12:41:25 AM
Highlander, there was no negative comment on John Kelly, who was a brilliant half back, but the suggestion was that Kevin McKernan mght be a slightly better all-round footballer who has represented his country with distinction, covers his defence, wins the ball down the middle and gets up to take exceptional scores. Are you saying that Kelly was better than McKernan ?

I'd take Kelly over Mckernan for what he brought to the team you cant compare the two Kelly was a wing half back? Mckernan is a more central player if I was picking the team for the 91 all ireland final and I had the wing back berth to fill John Kelly would have been my pick. Kevin McKernan is still a good footballer and probably in the top 3-4 footballers when he is on song in the county today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on June 14, 2015, 09:43:59 AM
This might be a bit of a random post. But did anyone see this weeks mourns observer? There is three down players pictured playing against Derry and all 3 are wearing different types of socks? One of them is wearing black Nike tennis socks? Is this not a bit indisciplined? Maybe I'm old fashioned but should each member of the team not be kitted out exactly the same? Especially on a big championship day like last Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 14, 2015, 03:52:22 PM
On today's performance, we are far better off in the qualifiers than taking on Donegal in an Ulster semi final. The result at Celtic Park was disappointing, but it may not do us any harm if we can get some sort of a back door run.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 14, 2015, 05:10:55 PM
Down will play Wexford away in the qualifiers after Wexford were beaten 1-21 to 0-15 by Westmeath today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on June 14, 2015, 09:42:49 PM
Wonder will there been any changes made to the panel before the Wexford game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on June 14, 2015, 11:25:45 PM
Just looking at league tables on new website. One team caught my attention, Newry Shamrocks. What's the story there. If they don't pick up a few wins they end up in div. 3. They play Dromara next who have had their first 2 wins of the year over the weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on June 15, 2015, 12:41:20 AM
Shamrocks are a young team,but fairly poor.in the old league divisions they would be a mid to lower tier division 3 team.bosco are probably worse,which is surprising as only a few years ago they looked like pushing on to a higher level.they have a few quality players, but those guys are ploughing a lonely furrow. Newry football is at an all time low,something which would need to be addressed. I don't think I'd be exaggerating to say that a small club just outside newry with a small pick such as glenn,ballyholland or saval would in all likelyhood beat the pick of the three town teams at present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 15, 2015, 05:02:15 PM
Position   Team   Played   Won   Lost   Drawn   For   Against   Diff   Points
1   Burren     7   7   0   0   156   76   80   14
2   Bryansford   7   5   1   1   119   87   32   11
3   Bholland   8   5   2   1   97   86   11   11
4   Cwellan   8   5   3   0   119   107   12   10
5   Saval   7   5   2   0   102   81   21   10
6   Clonduff   8   4   3   1   136   97   39   9
7   Cpn      8   3   2   3   100   104   -4   9
8   Mbridge   7   4   3   0   119   107   12   8
9   Rostrevor   8   3   4   1   111   101   10   7
10   Glenn   7   3   2   2   77   78   -1   7
11   Annaclone   8   3   4   1   80   93   -13   6
12   Kilcoo   6   2   2   2   63   62   1   6
13   Longstone   7   1   4   2   88   118   -30   4
14   RGU     8   2   6   0   103   118   -15   4
15   C na B   8   1   7   0   60   143   -83   2
16   Liatroim   8   0   8   0   79   151   -72   0
* Glenn had -1 points deducted. Annaclone had -1 points deducted. For the following reason: CCC Meeting 2nd June

Seems to have been a decision made on the Glenn/Annaclone game. The standings show the game being awarded as a draw with both teams getting 1 point - then the comment below the table states they have been deducted 1 point each, leaving it an effective NIL points decision for the two teams.  Is my reading of this correct?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 15, 2015, 05:24:09 PM
Quote from: east down gael on June 15, 2015, 12:41:20 AM
Shamrocks are a young team,but fairly poor.in the old league divisions they would be a mid to lower tier division 3 team.bosco are probably worse,which is surprising as only a few years ago they looked like pushing on to a higher level.they have a few quality players, but those guys are ploughing a lonely furrow. Newry football is at an all time low,something which would need to be addressed. I don't think I'd be exaggerating to say that a small club just outside newry with a small pick such as glenn,ballyholland or saval would in all likelyhood beat the pick of the three town teams at present.

ballyholland always had a good pick from the town, went to school in newry and a good few of the lads played for the harps and they were all from the town, maybe its different now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 15, 2015, 05:33:21 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 15, 2015, 05:24:09 PM
Quote from: east down gael on June 15, 2015, 12:41:20 AM
Shamrocks are a young team,but fairly poor.in the old league divisions they would be a mid to lower tier division 3 team.bosco are probably worse,which is surprising as only a few years ago they looked like pushing on to a higher level.they have a few quality players, but those guys are ploughing a lonely furrow. Newry football is at an all time low,something which would need to be addressed. I don't think I'd be exaggerating to say that a small club just outside newry with a small pick such as glenn,ballyholland or saval would in all likelyhood beat the pick of the three town teams at present.

ballyholland always had a good pick from the town, went to school in newry and a good few of the lads played for the harps and they were all from the town, maybe its different now.

Traditionally we got a few players from the old point road, Chapel St area (60s and 70s) but a few of the visionary lads about the club cast the net wider in the 80s and 90s and we ended up with quite a few lads from further afield. Currently from the starting lineup V RGU last Fri night 10 of the lads were born and bred in Ballyholland with other lads like the Whites, Tommy Kane, etc brought up only a mile down the road.....while Paddy McAteer and Damien McCrinks folks are Ballyholland people. We have never had a poaching policy unlike some clubs. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 15, 2015, 05:47:01 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 15, 2015, 05:33:21 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 15, 2015, 05:24:09 PM
Quote from: east down gael on June 15, 2015, 12:41:20 AM
Shamrocks are a young team,but fairly poor.in the old league divisions they would be a mid to lower tier division 3 team.bosco are probably worse,which is surprising as only a few years ago they looked like pushing on to a higher level.they have a few quality players, but those guys are ploughing a lonely furrow. Newry football is at an all time low,something which would need to be addressed. I don't think I'd be exaggerating to say that a small club just outside newry with a small pick such as glenn,ballyholland or saval would in all likelyhood beat the pick of the three town teams at present.

ballyholland always had a good pick from the town, went to school in newry and a good few of the lads played for the harps and they were all from the town, maybe its different now.

Traditionally we got a few players from the old point road, Chapel St area (60s and 70s) but a few of the visionary lads about the club cast the net wider in the 80s and 90s and we ended up with quite a few lads from further afield. Currently from the starting lineup V RGU last Fri night 10 of the lads were born and bred in Ballyholland with other lads like the Whites, Tommy Kane, etc brought up only a mile down the road.....while Paddy McAteer and Damien McCrinks folks are Ballyholland people. We have never had a poaching policy unlike some clubs. ;)

sorry if I gave the impression I thought yis were poaching players, never crossed my mind tbh, the lads in question were from the old point rd, the point rd, high st, rathfriland rd etc. what would the boundaries be if any?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 15, 2015, 05:47:33 PM
It's looking very likely Shamrocks will play in the JFC come 2016.

That's just wrong. Much as it drove me mad that they beat us in every cruel fashion imaginable throughout the 2000s, it'd annoy me more if a generation of Ballyholland players missed out on this derby experience.

Sort it out the Rocks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 15, 2015, 05:52:04 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 15, 2015, 05:47:01 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 15, 2015, 05:33:21 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 15, 2015, 05:24:09 PM
Quote from: east down gael on June 15, 2015, 12:41:20 AM
Shamrocks are a young team,but fairly poor.in the old league divisions they would be a mid to lower tier division 3 team.bosco are probably worse,which is surprising as only a few years ago they looked like pushing on to a higher level.they have a few quality players, but those guys are ploughing a lonely furrow. Newry football is at an all time low,something which would need to be addressed. I don't think I'd be exaggerating to say that a small club just outside newry with a small pick such as glenn,ballyholland or saval would in all likelyhood beat the pick of the three town teams at present.

ballyholland always had a good pick from the town, went to school in newry and a good few of the lads played for the harps and they were all from the town, maybe its different now.

Traditionally we got a few players from the old point road, Chapel St area (60s and 70s) but a few of the visionary lads about the club cast the net wider in the 80s and 90s and we ended up with quite a few lads from further afield. Currently from the starting lineup V RGU last Fri night 10 of the lads were born and bred in Ballyholland with other lads like the Whites, Tommy Kane, etc brought up only a mile down the road.....while Paddy McAteer and Damien McCrinks folks are Ballyholland people. We have never had a poaching policy unlike some clubs. ;)

sorry if I gave the impression I thought yis were poaching players, never crossed my mind tbh, the lads in question were from the old point rd, the point rd, high st, rathfriland rd etc. what would the boundaries be if any?

Don't worry Charlie I know you weren't implying anything of the sort. As for boundaries there probably aren't any really. We are in the Parish of Newry so probably fully entitled to recruit throughout the town...but we are in a different electoral constituency...we are South Down. :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 15, 2015, 09:15:24 PM
Is the Burren v Kilcoo game on tomorrow???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on June 15, 2015, 09:46:45 PM
The state of Newry football is abysmal. Bosco got beat by Dromara on Friday evening, Shamrocks are 15th of 16 and Mitchell's languishing at the bottom tier- like one poster said earlier, the pick of Newry wouldn't beat the mid table Div 1 teams. But is this anything new? Last time a team from Newry won the senior championship Sean O'Neill was playing. It's an epidemic that stems from a lack of togetherness from underage the whole way up. Toomany players have no real passion for the club therefore are unwilling to put in the effort needed to progress.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 15, 2015, 10:11:16 PM
Shamrocks are a perrenial powerhouse in underage football are they not? How or why has that not transgressed into Senior Football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 15, 2015, 10:20:07 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 15, 2015, 09:15:24 PM
Is the Burren v Kilcoo game on tomorrow???

No.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 15, 2015, 10:35:39 PM
I wouldn't say the shamrocks are a power house at underage a good minor team last year that were pipped by Burren. That's what they are pinning their future hopes on. I think nine of that team are starting on the senior team this year. Underage football in Newry is very poor and doesn't look to have any signs of improvement in the near future
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 15, 2015, 10:53:39 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 15, 2015, 09:15:24 PM
Is the Burren v Kilcoo game on tomorrow???

Why was this game not played at the weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 15, 2015, 11:02:14 PM
Due to the death of father mcardle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 15, 2015, 11:25:54 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 15, 2015, 11:02:14 PM
Due to the death of father mcardle

Sure did the Burren club not go ahead t run an U12 tournament then on the Saturday morning? Strange that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 15, 2015, 11:42:41 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on June 15, 2015, 11:25:54 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 15, 2015, 11:02:14 PM
Due to the death of father mcardle

Sure did the Burren club not go ahead t run an U12 tournament then on the Saturday morning? Strange that.

For the Hospice..where Fr McArdle had been and passed away in. Fitting enough I would have thought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 15, 2015, 11:56:22 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 15, 2015, 11:42:41 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on June 15, 2015, 11:25:54 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 15, 2015, 11:02:14 PM
Due to the death of father mcardle

Sure did the Burren club not go ahead t run an U12 tournament then on the Saturday morning? Strange that.

For the Hospice..where Fr McArdle had been and passed away in. Fitting enough I would have thought.

Donate the gate of the game to the hospice, minutes silence, black armbands, all fitting tributes also I would have thought, considering the gate to that game would have been pretty large, I knew quite a few people who would have went. Cant understand why all club activities weren't pulled, surely its all or nothing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 16, 2015, 12:21:49 AM
Couldn't be arsed looking it up but from memory the rule states that you cant get a game off for a death unless a direct relative of a player has died. Then again it is Burren. Seems they can do what they want.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on June 16, 2015, 08:30:57 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 16, 2015, 12:21:49 AM
Couldn't be arsed looking it up but from memory the rule states that you cant get a game off for a death unless a direct relative of a player has died. Then again it is Burren. Seems they can do what they want.

Although i am no great lover of Burren i must jump to their defence here as Fr.McArdle was the club Vice-President from what ive heard. So that to me would be grounds for postponement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 16, 2015, 10:14:28 AM
The County board really need to look at Newry it has a big population and that needs to be tapped, granted Soccer is a big pull but surely if they look at the reward Dublin is getting from investing in Hurling in the City, granted they aint world beaters yet, but surely only a matter of time.
There is obviously massive potential in Newry that Down could dearly do with. The Schools have great records on the playing pitch but the players would come from the surrounding areas. Time the county board pulled its head out of its hole and try to get young lads in the town interested past u16 and minor.
Im gone out of the county a long time now but im not sure what facilities Mitchels have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 16, 2015, 03:26:54 PM
I see Benny saying in the Democrat today that if McCorry got a few of the old hands back on board next year he would give it another rattle. ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 16, 2015, 03:46:46 PM
Down website saying that the Wexford game is at half 6 on Saturday week. Gonna be a long day. What is it? A good 3 hours each way?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tiocfaidh Ned on June 16, 2015, 03:57:56 PM
160 miles from Newry and hotels are at a premium in Wexford, €200 for a bog standard room for one night. Wouldn't it be a great idea if we had a paid secretary who could have a wee word with his conterpart in Wexford and arrange an earlier throw in, to allow the travelling supporters to get home before midnight.
Of course it would be even better if you didn't have to worry about travel arrangements for away games and could sit on the bus with the players and management, even get on the pitch for a wee walk about before the throw in.

We won't mention the new county website and who is running it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 16, 2015, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 16, 2015, 03:26:54 PM
I see Benny saying in the Democrat today that if McCorry got a few of the old hands back on board next year he would give it another rattle. ???
I was talking to a few Warrenpoint players and spectators over the weekend about their game with the Bridge and they all mentioned how well Benny played.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 16, 2015, 08:59:43 PM
It will be a late night alright but hopefully a worthwhile one. Not sure if Benny's views are that helpful or realistic. McCorry is stubborn and I can't see him changing tack at this stage. Benny retired, Kalum opted out, I've seen Marty play and he's not yet ready for IC football, Garvey should be there IMO but that's for McCorry. It was interesting that Benny didn't mention the one man I strongly believe should be recalled- Dan Gordon. I also think Ryan Mallon should be in there but I have a strong suspicion that the only change we are likely to see will be Pete Turley and Niall Madine in for Pete Fitz and Mark Poland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 17, 2015, 05:21:23 AM
The week before the Derry game, Benny was in several newspapers looking for Gordon to be recalled and put in midfield. He was quoted as saying he is still the best midfielder in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 17, 2015, 08:10:31 AM
As Kieran McGeeney hinted  last week. Ex players
have become sensationalist in their comments
on everything.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on June 17, 2015, 08:20:13 AM
Quote from: elk on June 16, 2015, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 16, 2015, 03:26:54 PM
I see Benny saying in the Democrat today that if McCorry got a few of the old hands back on board next year he would give it another rattle. ???
I was talking to a few Warrenpoint players and spectators over the weekend about their game with the Bridge and they all mentioned how well Benny played.
He wasn't too hot against Burren.  Lets move on from Benny - he was a great player and gave his all - but is it worth anything to us taking a 34 yr old back on board next season.  What is that saying to the current 20-23 yr olds within the county? We may be in the doldrums for a few years but will get there.  Thanks Benny for the memories - but I for one have moved on. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 17, 2015, 09:01:51 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on June 17, 2015, 08:20:13 AM
Quote from: elk on June 16, 2015, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 16, 2015, 03:26:54 PM
I see Benny saying in the Democrat today that if McCorry got a few of the old hands back on board next year he would give it another rattle. ???
I was talking to a few Warrenpoint players and spectators over the weekend about their game with the Bridge and they all mentioned how well Benny played.
He wasn't too hot against Burren.  Lets move on from Benny - he was a great player and gave his all - but is it worth anything to us taking a 34 yr old back on board next season.  What is that saying to the current 20-23 yr olds within the county? We may be in the doldrums for a few years but will get there.  Thanks Benny for the memories - but I for one have moved on.

That's great to hear pauly2. Its good that you can find it in your heart to finally let go and move on with your life. Heres hoping you find someone new and who will truly make you happy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on June 17, 2015, 09:34:41 AM
I understand we are in a rebuilding stage at the minute but I think its vital that we have the experience and leadership quality's of some of the guys who are not on the panel at the minute. im all for bringing young lads through but Its important to get the right balance between youth and experience. ambrose dan and benny are an unbelievable loss to the squad. some one to steady the ship late in a game when players start to panic. even to come of the bench with 10/15mins to go would lift the players and the crowd. also we are badly stuck for a target man in the full forward line. madine has to be on the edge of the square for me. he offers an other option with his size and strength. the guys we have in there are good players but they are all to similar. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 17, 2015, 10:52:59 AM
Its rediculous that Down people travelling to this game havent been taken into consideration.
I live in Dublin so i only have half the distance you guys have.
On Accomodation i stayed in a wee B&B Called McGhees, ist above a bar. Its basic but cheap, clean and close to Town centre, just up the hill from Whites. If your staying over the undertakers is a great bar for a few pints.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 17, 2015, 11:42:13 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 17, 2015, 10:52:59 AM

On Accomodation i stayed in a wee B&B Called McGhees, ist above a bar. Its basic but cheap, clean and close to Town centre, just up the hill from Whites. If your staying over the undertakers is a great bar for a few pints.

Let's just hope that Down GAA isn't staying below you!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 17, 2015, 12:28:27 PM
For this team to be reborn, first they must die.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 17, 2015, 04:12:51 PM
We're hardly dying. We got into Div1.
Wexford here I come! Move on and forget
about the past!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 19, 2015, 11:25:48 PM
Fantastic win for Glenn tonite against Castlewellan, especially after last weeks drubbing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 20, 2015, 12:58:41 PM
I believe that Castlewellan have lost at least five players to the States in recent days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 20, 2015, 01:26:27 PM
It's that time of year I suppose, Glenn had a few missing aswell.. A great win nonetheless.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 21, 2015, 12:14:12 AM
Another great win. Harps joint 2nd in the first division. What do you think of that Joe Brolly!!! :P :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on June 22, 2015, 04:18:54 PM
Little or no talk of the Wexford game coming up this weekend. It will be interesting to see the changes made from the Derry game, I'd say a few players will do well to hold on to their position in the starting 15. Laverty will surely start the game at no.11 having been quite effective when he was switched to there last time out. Do you think any other players will have been included in the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 22, 2015, 11:22:45 PM
I would have thought Laverty is best employed as a wing forward. Devlin or Poland would be my choice at CHF. The thing I would most want to see is a big man up front to act as a target man and give us a direct option. McConville ideally, or Madine.

But unless we change our attack plan to be more direct and try to get quick ball to our forwards, I doubt any changes in personnel will make a huge difference to the way we play, or our long term chances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 23, 2015, 01:37:06 PM
If it is correct that McGovern has lost his appeal over the red card against Derry, he is very unfortunate but Garvey is the obvious candidate to come in. We need changes at midfield, and there is a strong case for starting with Madine and Peter Turley. The biggest call is probably over Poland, a key figure who made very little impact the last day. Although there may be fears that his pace has gone, the fact that he missed so much training before Celtic Park, and he should now be much fitter, will probably get him the nod. Maginn and O'Hare are also talented forwards who had an off-day against Derry and one of them is likely to pay the price. If O'Hare has recovered from his knock, his free taking could rescue his place and Mooney is worth a run at full forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 23, 2015, 01:52:37 PM
For the first time in a long time I can't attend on Saturday. Any comments or insights during the match would be very much appreciated.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 23, 2015, 06:43:32 PM
Hopefully Down Twitter feed is going and
GAA.ie is good also for updates. I have a
nervous feeling about this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on June 23, 2015, 10:01:35 PM
Radio Ulster 1341 mw are covering Donegal v Derry with updates from the qualifers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 23, 2015, 10:15:05 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on June 23, 2015, 01:52:37 PM
For the first time in a long time I can't attend on Saturday. Any comments or insights during the match would be very much appreciated.

Mise fosta. We have the Féile in Kildare. Depending on the progress we make we might make it to Wexford. Bottom line is I hope we miss the Down game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 25, 2015, 12:17:15 AM
Any truth in the rumours that Benny Mc Ardle is out for a while with torn ligaments in the ankle. Heard that this evening 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 25, 2015, 06:27:41 PM
Very serious achilles injury by all accounts.  Pity as he always comes across as a really honest player who gives his all.  He will be a loss.

Hope we still have enough to get over the line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 25, 2015, 08:17:46 PM
Has Garvey left the panel as well ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 26, 2015, 12:41:04 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on June 25, 2015, 08:17:46 PM
Has Garvey left the panel as well ??
Where has this come from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on June 26, 2015, 05:57:30 PM
If there is any Dublin based gael looking for a lift to the match in Wexford and back to Dublin, just ping me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 26, 2015, 10:08:12 PM
Down team named for tomorrow.
Kane
O Hagan
Howard
Turley
Mc ardle  ::)
McKernan
Boyle
Fitzpatrick
Mooney
Devlin
Maginn
Poland
O hare
Laverty
J johnston
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 27, 2015, 02:32:46 AM
I doubt Wexford will have an outstanding midfield but I have said it before and will say it again. I just don't see the attraction of Pete Fitzpatrick. And Mooney has never been a midfielder.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 27, 2015, 09:19:50 AM
With the supposed injury to McArdle and the performance from midfield up id be surprised if there is not a few changes to that line up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on June 27, 2015, 03:39:16 PM
Any links for radio coverage ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 27, 2015, 05:19:23 PM
Southeastradio.ie is covering the Down s game after 6pm news
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on June 27, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
Good man , thanks  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: western exile on June 27, 2015, 07:18:09 PM
A well deserved standing ovation for the Wexford team as they go in at half time.
Down are still in it, but need to up their game to match the home team.
HT Wexford 0-9
Down 1-4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 27, 2015, 08:02:39 PM
Disgrace beat by a poor  team relegated to div 4 this year.  McCorry only himself to blame. Those boys training from Nov? For what?  To limp out to a div 4 team . Woeful  excuse for a team.  Thank god I didn't travel to that. Sickening. Another  nothing summer . What do those fools in the county board do to improve Down football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 27, 2015, 08:05:08 PM
We have no errand in the 1st division next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on June 27, 2015, 08:05:42 PM
Beat. We are a joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 27, 2015, 08:07:07 PM
Sweet f**k - absolute shambles listening to southeastradio.  Blow out in meeting this week between players and management probably didn't help.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 27, 2015, 08:08:09 PM
F..k -what a disaster!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on June 27, 2015, 08:13:37 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 27, 2015, 08:07:07 PM
Sweet f**k - absolute shambles listening to southeastradio.  Blow out in meeting this week between players and management probably didn't help.

What's this about a blow out??? Obviously related to the starred fixtures situation???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 27, 2015, 08:14:33 PM
First championship match iv missed in years. Feck am I glad now. Well beaten by a division 4 team. Hard listening to that on radio. Feel sorry for all that travelled. That is up there with Wicklow and Sligo as low points for down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 27, 2015, 08:40:04 PM
I fear what will happen in Div 1 next year. We could do  a westmeath and lose all our games. McCorry's stubbornness not to bring lads back in if they were available has bit him in the ass. Do Down have an issue with mental strength? .F..k that was hard to listen too. God help anyone driving home from that tonight. Wexford are a poor team. As already stated this is sligo longford wicklow all over again Clare was nearly a disaster also in 2011. Sickening absolutely sickening. Wouldn't you think we would be used to it by now. First Ulster team out of the championship,  laughing stock. Seriously questioning McCorry's ability to take this team anywhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 27, 2015, 08:49:23 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 27, 2015, 08:40:04 PM
I fear what will happen in Div 1 next year. We could do  a westmeath and lose all our games. McCorry's stubbornness not to bring lads back in if they were available has bit him in the ass. Do Down have an issue with mental strength? .F..k that was hard to listen too. God help anyone driving home from that tonight. Wexford are a poor team. As already stated this is sligo longford wicklow all over again Clare was nearly a disaster also in 2011. Sickening absolutely sickening. Wouldn't you think we would be used to it by now. First Ulster team out of the championship,  laughing stock. Seriously questioning McCorry's ability to take this team anywhere.

The Down players won't be too bothered as they are not coming home tonight but staying in Wexford.  Who in their right mind would have even planned this and how exactly would the players have benefited if we had actually won anyway? Our County has debt coming out of our ears but we think this a good way to blow a few grand. Down Way again? Everything in our county is an absolute shambles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 27, 2015, 09:04:43 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 27, 2015, 08:49:23 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 27, 2015, 08:40:04 PM
I fear what will happen in Div 1 next year. We could do  a westmeath and lose all our games. McCorry's stubbornness not to bring lads back in if they were available has bit him in the ass. Do Down have an issue with mental strength? .F..k that was hard to listen too. God help anyone driving home from that tonight. Wexford are a poor team. As already stated this is sligo longford wicklow all over again Clare was nearly a disaster also in 2011. Sickening absolutely sickening. Wouldn't you think we would be used to it by now. First Ulster team out of the championship,  laughing stock. Seriously questioning McCorry's ability to take this team anywhere.

The Down players won't be too bothered as they are not coming home tonight but staying in Wexford.  Who in their right mind would have even planned this and how exactly would the players have benefited if we had actually won anyway? Our County has debt coming out of our ears but we think this a good way to blow a few grand. Down Way again? Everything in our county is an absolute shambles.

What clown decided that, surely staying the night before and being spared a long drive on match day would have been far better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 27, 2015, 09:05:24 PM
Make them f**king walk home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 27, 2015, 09:16:33 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 27, 2015, 09:04:43 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 27, 2015, 08:49:23 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 27, 2015, 08:40:04 PM
I fear what will happen in Div 1 next year. We could do  a westmeath and lose all our games. McCorry's stubbornness not to bring lads back in if they were available has bit him in the ass. Do Down have an issue with mental strength? .F..k that was hard to listen too. God help anyone driving home from that tonight. Wexford are a poor team. As already stated this is sligo longford wicklow all over again Clare was nearly a disaster also in 2011. Sickening absolutely sickening. Wouldn't you think we would be used to it by now. First Ulster team out of the championship,  laughing stock. Seriously questioning McCorry's ability to take this team anywhere.

The Down players won't be too bothered as they are not coming home tonight but staying in Wexford.  Who in their right mind would have even planned this and how exactly would the players have benefited if we had actually won anyway? Our County has debt coming out of our ears but we think this a good way to blow a few grand. Down Way again? Everything in our county is an absolute shambles.

What clown decided that, surely staying the night before and being spared a long drive on match day would have been far better.
the same clowns that have been running/ruining down football for years and continue in a job. club football is as poor as i can remember, the county team now has to be ranked in the bottom 3 of teams in ulster, we are miles behind other counties in terms of youth development but its ok because we can continue to live on past glories. those days seem a very long time ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on June 27, 2015, 09:18:21 PM
Obviously a bad bad result. Can anyone report anything about the match? Did we struggle in midfield? How was our attack/defence?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on June 27, 2015, 09:27:35 PM
Can't believe people are shocked by this result!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 27, 2015, 09:29:13 PM
As we are the first Ulster team out of the Championship, does that make us the worst team in Ulster at present?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 27, 2015, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 27, 2015, 09:29:13 PM
As we are the first Ulster team out of the Championship, does that make us the worst team in Ulster at present?

We'll only find out when Wexford play Antrim next year... in Division 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 27, 2015, 09:36:35 PM
Simply can't replace quality with quantity.
Genuinely thought we would have won today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 27, 2015, 09:43:44 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 27, 2015, 09:36:35 PM
Simply can't replace quality with quantity.
Genuinely thought we would have won today.

What do you mean quantity?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on June 27, 2015, 09:47:10 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 27, 2015, 09:43:44 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 27, 2015, 09:36:35 PM
Simply can't replace quality with quantity.
Genuinely thought we would have won today.

What do you mean quantity?

Presumably training and making concessions for older more experienced proven players?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 27, 2015, 09:50:21 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 27, 2015, 09:45:46 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 27, 2015, 09:16:33 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 27, 2015, 09:04:43 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 27, 2015, 08:49:23 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 27, 2015, 08:40:04 PM
I fear what will happen in Div 1 next year. We could do  a westmeath and lose all our games. McCorry's stubbornness not to bring lads back in if they were available has bit him in the ass. Do Down have an issue with mental strength? .F..k that was hard to listen too. God help anyone driving home from that tonight. Wexford are a poor team. As already stated this is sligo longford wicklow all over again Clare was nearly a disaster also in 2011. Sickening absolutely sickening. Wouldn't you think we would be used to it by now. First Ulster team out of the championship,  laughing stock. Seriously questioning McCorry's ability to take this team anywhere.

The Down players won't be too bothered as they are not coming home tonight but staying in Wexford.  Who in their right mind would have even planned this and how exactly would the players have benefited if we had actually won anyway? Our County has debt coming out of our ears but we think this a good way to blow a few grand. Down Way again? Everything in our county is an absolute shambles.

What clown decided that, surely staying the night before and being spared a long drive on match day would have been far better.
the same clowns that have been running/ruining down football for years and continue in a job. club football is as poor as i can remember, the county team now has to be ranked in the bottom 3 of teams in ulster, we are miles behind other counties in terms of youth development but its ok because we can continue to live on past glories. those days seem a very long time ago.
Very disappointing end to our season. No more County Football until Jan. Time for heads to roll
although I hear that process is underway with Mulholland axed. County board could maybe look
at themselves as they preside over these shambles year in year out.

Is the County Secretary's paid position up this year?  There is the perfect place to start rather than continuing with what he calls himself the 'Down Way' of doing things. We are all sick of this shit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on June 27, 2015, 10:27:24 PM
Some of the latest posts on here are a complete Joke.
Down were beaten tonight on simple complacency. It happens at all levels of sport including professional sport.
These players aren't professional but train as if they are, and give as much of their time as any other sportsman, so to have a night in a hotel after the match i don't think is a lot to ask.
As for the constant moaning and whining regarding the missing Down men, well, get over it, they were asked and couldn't commit! We move on with new faces, who would relish their chance to play for Down and are prepared to put in the long nights like everyone else. Not prance in  mid May and expect everyone to move over!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 27, 2015, 10:40:08 PM
Quote from: Oglach on June 27, 2015, 10:27:24 PM
Some of the latest posts on here are a complete Joke.
Down were beaten tonight on simple complacency. It happens at all levels of sport including professional sport.
These players aren't professional but train as if they are, and give as much of their time as any other sportsman, so to have a night in a hotel after the match i don't think is a lot to ask.
As for the constant moaning and whining regarding the missing Down men, well, get over it, they were asked and couldn't commit! We move on with new faces, who would relish their chance to play for Down and are prepared to put in the long nights like everyone else. Not prance in  mid May and expect everyone to move over!
how are the the latest posts a joke?? They are posted by people who are fed up and frustrated at being served up the same shit year after year and have had enough. We are a joke and are being laughed at by gaa people in neighbouring counties. The county board are the real joke but at least this result gives them more time to concentrate on this crumlin road jail break shit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 27, 2015, 10:42:19 PM
Unfortunately lads, the performance tonight was the Down way apart from the 60's and a few other years. The Down way is predominantly mediocre. We live in a myth. It's so depressing. I don't see club football in Down anymore as I live in the capital but seriously has it got bad? Why isn't the biggest populated area Newry producing players?.  The county board must be useless. Anyone think the manager needs to go after that??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 27, 2015, 10:51:49 PM
Quote from: Oglach on June 27, 2015, 10:27:24 PM
Some of the latest posts on here are a complete Joke.
Down were beaten tonight on simple complacency. It happens at all levels of sport including professional sport.
Who is to blame for this?  The team were prepared in a certain way and didn't perform.  Wexford missed as many goal scoring chances as they scored, so things could have been worse.  Little impact from the bench as usual.

Quote from: Oglach on June 27, 2015, 10:27:24 PM
These players aren't professional but train as if they are, and give as much of their time as any other sportsman, so to have a night in a hotel after the match i don't think is a lot to ask.
Planned night is my problem.  Take them down the night before and get them in the right frame of mind rather than planning a party night like happened when they went to London for the weekend.  Get ready for plenty of tweets and snapchats tonight.

Quote from: Oglach on June 27, 2015, 10:27:24 PM
As for the constant moaning and whining regarding the missing Down men, well, get over it, they were asked and couldn't commit! We move on with new faces, who would relish their chance to play for Down and are prepared to put in the long nights like everyone else. Not prance in  mid May and expect everyone to move over!

We need the best Down players on the field and this year this hasn't happened.  It has cost us and the arrogance of the manager is to blame.  He'll still pick up his big cheque in the morning though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on June 27, 2015, 10:55:11 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 27, 2015, 10:40:08 PM
Quote from: Oglach on June 27, 2015, 10:27:24 PM
Some of the latest posts on here are a complete Joke.
Down were beaten tonight on simple complacency. It happens at all levels of sport including professional sport.
These players aren't professional but train as if they are, and give as much of their time as any other sportsman, so to have a night in a hotel after the match i don't think is a lot to ask.
As for the constant moaning and whining regarding the missing Down men, well, get over it, they were asked and couldn't commit! We move on with new faces, who would relish their chance to play for Down and are prepared to put in the long nights like everyone else. Not prance in  mid May and expect everyone to move over!
how are the the latest posts a joke?? They are posted by people who are fed up and frustrated at being served up the same shit year after year and have had enough. We are a joke and are being laughed at by gaa people in neighbouring counties. The county board are the real joke but at least this result gives them more time to concentrate on this crumlin road jail break shit.
100% this has to be the ludicrous idea anyone has come up with. The videos are cringeworthy to say the least making a laughingstock of us all. Many a good Down Gael was locked up in the crum for nothing more than the love of our games and our country. This is just an insult to their memory
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 27, 2015, 11:06:14 PM
Quote from: The Raven on June 27, 2015, 10:55:11 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 27, 2015, 10:40:08 PM
Quote from: Oglach on June 27, 2015, 10:27:24 PM
Some of the latest posts on here are a complete Joke.
Down were beaten tonight on simple complacency. It happens at all levels of sport including professional sport.
These players aren't professional but train as if they are, and give as much of their time as any other sportsman, so to have a night in a hotel after the match i don't think is a lot to ask.
As for the constant moaning and whining regarding the missing Down men, well, get over it, they were asked and couldn't commit! We move on with new faces, who would relish their chance to play for Down and are prepared to put in the long nights like everyone else. Not prance in  mid May and expect everyone to move over!
how are the the latest posts a joke?? They are posted by people who are fed up and frustrated at being served up the same shit year after year and have had enough. We are a joke and are being laughed at by gaa people in neighbouring counties. The county board are the real joke but at least this result gives them more time to concentrate on this crumlin road jail break shit.
100% this has to be the ludicrous idea anyone has come up with. The videos are cringeworthy to say the least making a laughingstock of us all. Many a good Down Gael was locked up in the crum for nothing more than the love of our games and our country. This is just an insult to their memory

I'd actually pay if they would keep them.  A few lads in work were giving me grief over it, what could you say?  The whole idea and the way it was publicised was just embarrassing, we are just an absolute joke at present both on and off the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 27, 2015, 11:25:14 PM
In the interests of balance, I've a few points to make:


1. The throw in tonight was 6.30pm. Why on earth you'd want to send 30 men down the day before, and force them into an entire day bored out their wits in Wexford waiting for a match, is beyond me. Really beyond me. Why you keep posting this is bordering on madness. There is nothing ruins a team's match day preparations more than limbo. And your're proposing pergutory.


2. By all means criticise administration. But don't confuse the county board's fundraising activity with administrative activity. One cannot exist without the other, but they're entrirely separate  functions which must continue in isolation. There is not one man on the county board who got involved so they could spend their lives raising money. Like you, like I, they want to see (help, and direct) a better football and hurling heritage in Down. But the sting in the tail is that it ALWAYS falls on administrators to also raise funds for their initiatives.

3. While I'm sure the county board could do more to help football in Newry (Downpatrick, Castlewellan, Kilkeel, and Newcastle), it's fundamentally flawed and unfair to blame the board for problems in these towns. They all have clubs who should be leading the charge, and in each case, long established clubs. Player development HAS to be first and foremost the responsibility of the clubs, then the schools. After that the county board should ensure that elite talent is nurtured for the county game. But when you've the likes of Downpatrick regularly in intermediate football, Shamrocks, Bosco and Mitchels in Junior football, and schools like Red High and St Louis unable to qualify from intermediate level group stages, then it's surely a tad unfair to suggest the county board is the big problem?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 27, 2015, 11:42:36 PM
Where could we have been this summer with the following in the squad. Gordon, Rodgers, Coulter, Clarke, McComiskey.  Ask yourself that McCorry then hand in your notice.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tiocfaidh Ned on June 28, 2015, 12:14:20 AM
#SackChuckyNed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: behind the wire on June 28, 2015, 12:25:40 AM
That was a long journey home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on June 28, 2015, 07:59:35 AM
 Dismal,disappointing,disastrous Down. Depressing,demoralising,dreadful Down. I could go on but after all the hype of getting promoted,we mess up. A re-run of Westmeath's brief stay in DIv 1 and the statistic of no Ulster title in 22 years. Where has it all gone wrong?  The previous mention of the "Down Way" is definitely not the way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on June 28, 2015, 09:55:14 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 27, 2015, 11:25:14 PM
In the interests of balance, I've a few points to make:


1. The throw in tonight was 6.30pm. Why on earth you'd want to send 30 men down the day before, and force them into an entire day bored out their wits in Wexford waiting for a match, is beyond me. Really beyond me. Why you keep posting this is bordering on madness. There is nothing ruins a team's match day preparations more than limbo. And your're proposing pergutory.


2. By all means criticise administration. But don't confuse the county board's fundraising activity with administrative activity. One cannot exist without the other, but they're entrirely separate  functions which must continue in isolation. There is not one man on the county board who got involved so they could spend their lives raising money. Like you, like I, they want to see (help, and direct) a better football and hurling heritage in Down. But the sting in the tail is that it ALWAYS falls on administrators to also raise funds for their initiatives.

3. While I'm sure the county board could do more to help football in Newry (Downpatrick, Castlewellan, Kilkeel, and Newcastle), it's fundamentally flawed and unfair to blame the board for problems in these towns. They all have clubs who should be leading the charge, and in each case, long established clubs. Player development HAS to be first and foremost the responsibility of the clubs, then the schools. After that the county board should ensure that elite talent is nurtured for the county game. But when you've the likes of Downpatrick regularly in intermediate football, Shamrocks, Bosco and Mitchels in Junior football, and schools like Red High and St Louis unable to qualify from intermediate level group stages, then it's surely a tad unfair to suggest the county board is the big problem?



Point 3 here is a big issue for us, at underage east down and newry are going backwards, down need this changed and the responsibility has to rest with both the county board and the clubs. We also have to start bringing through so of the belfast lads to senior, they have good underage teams but we loss them as the get older.

I think we have to make changes as we are going backwards it's been 6 or 7 years since we had a good underage team, so the future does not look great either.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 28, 2015, 10:13:19 AM
Quote from: outinfront on June 27, 2015, 09:47:10 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 27, 2015, 09:43:44 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 27, 2015, 09:36:35 PM
Simply can't replace quality with quantity.
Genuinely thought we would have won today.

What do you mean quantity?

Presumably training and making concessions for older more experienced proven players?

Yes, for want of a better expression but not really in regards to training as most counties are putting in serious shifts. Huge effort went into this year from the players and management and to bow out like we did yesterday is very disappointing.
It's all what ifs but I just wonder if some sort of concessions were made for the likes of Coulter, Gordon etc would our fortunes have turned out any better.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on June 28, 2015, 10:34:06 AM
Down will continue to struggle at minor and senior level until they start choosing from the whole county.  Since Pete McGrath every other manager has managed Down like a club manager with a small squad i.e.  picking the best players from the best teams around and tried to make the best of the small squad, irrespective of whether that squad have the right attributes to make a successful county team.  Because of this we end up with 6 similar forwards and a midfield area that would struggle to break even against any of the top teams. 

Contrast this with when Pete McGrath was in charge, there was 8 players from East Down on the Down team in 1991, over 1/2 the team played most of there club football outside of division 1.  Burren had 2 players on the team in 1991 and 0 in 1994 even though Burren were still one of the best teams in Ireland (They lost ulster final replay in 1992).  Nearly all the team where over 6ft and good athletes.

Now if there was a player playing for e.g. Bright who is 6ft 4, good in the air, fast, a good engine, that can break a tackle they would never have any chance of being considered for a trial but a really top manager should be able to coach a player like that to be good county player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 28, 2015, 10:35:02 AM
Those members of club Down not getting much value for the 120 gbp per year. I'm pulling mine. Have better things to spend a tenner a month on. If the county board don't give a f**k then I'm not wasting my money however small an amount it is.  They will be taking another 6 months subscriptions for what? Development of the game?  We will be here again next year with the same fools in charge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 28, 2015, 10:50:18 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 27, 2015, 11:25:14 PM
In the interests of balance, I've a few points to make:


1. The throw in tonight was 6.30pm. Why on earth you'd want to send 30 men down the day before, and force them into an entire day bored out their wits in Wexford waiting for a match, is beyond me. Really beyond me. Why you keep posting this is bordering on madness. There is nothing ruins a team's match day preparations more than limbo. And your're proposing pergutory.



That's rubbish. Are you trying to say sitting in a bus for three hours is better preparation for a match? A journey like that is tiring and your legs are stiff and cramped at the end. Would you have wanted to jump out of the car and play a championship match yesterday after going down?

If they had gone down on Friday night they could have slept in Saturday morning, got up around half ten or so, had breakfast together as a team, done some stretching after breakfast, probably a pre-match meeting to go over Wexford and the game plan, had lunch and that probably could have brought it up to three o'clock. Then they could have relaxed in the sauna or Jacuzzi that is presumably in the hotel for an hour or so before heading down to Wexford Park around five o'clock. If that's your version of Purgatory then maybe I had better renounce my baptism. There's a lot less limbo in that than staring out the window on a bus for three hours, and I know which one is better match preparation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 28, 2015, 10:51:10 AM
Not sure about your post maiden. But of misty eyed bias going on.

Had there been a 16 team D1 at the time then the likes of Carryduff, Ballymartin and Warrenpoint would have spent most of their seasons in it. The only genuine outliers in terms of club team, in either 91 or 94 were James McCartan (the best young player in Ireland) and Peter Withnell (who came up through the minor and u21 ranks).

Also the reason why so many East Down players were involved wasn't complicated: Downpatrick were the best side in the county, while Loughinisland, Castlewellan and Bryansford were all thereabouts. Run back through the last 30 years of Down football and you'll see a rather straightforward trend - when there are more East Down sides challenging in D1, there are more East Down players on the Down panel. It's not bias.

As for players over 6' tall. Ross tried this experiment in 2007 and 2008, and the results were laughable. This isn't 1985. In order to play county football you have to have the athleticism and application of a top athlete. If there's a 6' 4" lad lumbering around a D3 team, all a county call-up is going to do is reinforce how far behind he is. If he actually has the ability to play county ball there is no way on earth he wouldn't be on the radar from a young age. But if he falls a mile behind, he's never catching up again.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on June 28, 2015, 10:57:16 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 28, 2015, 10:51:10 AM
Not sure about your post maiden. But of misty eyed bias going on.

Had there been a 16 team D1 at the time then the likes of Carryduff, Ballymartin and Warrenpoint would have spent most of their seasons in it. The only genuine outliers in terms of club team, in either 91 or 94 were James McCartan (the best young player in Ireland) and Peter Withnell (who came up through the minor and u21 ranks).

Also the reason why so many East Down players were involved wasn't complicated: Downpatrick were the best side in the county, while Loughinisland, Castlewellan and Bryansford were all thereabouts. Run back through the last 30 years of Down football and you'll see a rather straightforward trend - when there are more East Down sides challenging in D1, there are more East Down players on the Down panel. It's not bias.

As for players over 6' tall. Ross tried this experiment in 2007 and 2008, and the results were laughable. This isn't 1985. In order to play county football you have to have the athleticism and application of a top athlete. If there's a 6' 4" lad lumbering around a D3 team, all a county call-up is going to do is reinforce how far behind he is. If he actually has the ability to play county ball there is no way on earth he wouldn't be on the radar from a young age. But if he falls a mile behind, he's never catching up again.

I don't really think there is a bias against east down, but the standard in east down has slipped and that's a problem that we have to do something about
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 28, 2015, 12:03:58 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 28, 2015, 10:50:18 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 27, 2015, 11:25:14 PM
In the interests of balance, I've a few points to make:


1. The throw in tonight was 6.30pm. Why on earth you'd want to send 30 men down the day before, and force them into an entire day bored out their wits in Wexford waiting for a match, is beyond me. Really beyond me. Why you keep posting this is bordering on madness. There is nothing ruins a team's match day preparations more than limbo. And your're proposing pergutory.



That's rubbish. Are you trying to say sitting in a bus for three hours is better preparation for a match? A journey like that is tiring and your legs are stiff and cramped at the end. Would you have wanted to jump out of the car and play a championship match yesterday after going down?

If they had gone down on Friday night they could have slept in Saturday morning, got up around half ten or so, had breakfast together as a team, done some stretching after breakfast, probably a pre-match meeting to go over Wexford and the game plan, had lunch and that probably could have brought it up to three o'clock. Then they could have relaxed in the sauna or Jacuzzi that is presumably in the hotel for an hour or so before heading down to Wexford Park around five o'clock. If that's your version of Purgatory then maybe I had better renounce my baptism. There's a lot less limbo in that than staring out the window on a bus for three hours, and I know which one is better match preparation.

100%. if they were only staying 1 night then that surely should have been friday night. 4 hours travelling is no preparation for a championship match but then maybe a night out in wexford on saturday night appealed that bit more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on June 28, 2015, 12:48:33 PM
mccorrys decision to cut short gordon , coulter and rodgers county careers has come back to bite him and he has to pay the ultimate price im afraid.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 28, 2015, 02:00:41 PM
Hard to know where to start.

Firstly, I agree with Wobbler on the logistics/funding. Whatever we think of the performance, these lads put in a big effort and I don't begrudge them a night in Wexford. It was well after midnight when we got home and it's interesting that the majority of those criticising this aspect of the arrangements didn't bother their holes/had other pressing commitments (delete as appropriate) going to the game. Also, the county board are right to consider different ideas to raise revenue- it's a thankless job and there are always going to be people who complain about the dark rather than turn on the light.

Second, the performance was poor. Kane was too slow with his kick-outs but made three excellent saves. O'Hagan had his work cut out on Ling but never gave up. Howard was conceding 6 inches to their monster FF but , like most of the defenders, had a poor game. Garvey was unlucky-the aforementioned FF hit him first yet, as always, he wasn't cute enough to disguise a fairly good uppercut and then looked as guilty as sin and left Reilly with little option other than line him. One of our few consistent performers, Mc Kernan, sustained a bad looking ankle strain early on yet still gave 100%; I presume he was suffering from the injury when called ashore ( or maybe McCorry and co. really have lost the plot).
I have said what I said about the midfield before and after the Derry game. Mooney, however, really tried hard- he has a strange blend of supreme talent and uncertainty- just when he was starting to dominate midfield he was shifted to FF. WTF?

Thirdly- the manager. I won't include Morgan and Copeland as McCorry is his own man - while he appears to consult with them, he calls the shots. When the word first came out that he was demanding complete commitment and no concessions, regardless of ability, the county appeared split between those who backed him, based on what he'd achieved with the Bridge and Kilcoo and those who said he would regret that call. It's the latter camp who are out in full flow today and it's hard to argue against them as we're out of the championship in June having lost two games we should have won. However, he was never going to deviate from his plan and now has six months to reflect on it. There is a thin line between confidence and arrogance and he should reflect on his decision-making as this is a results business. Paddy Heaney made reference to his golfing approach so here's my golf analogy; when you want to hit it long you need power from a driver. No matter how much you practice with a putter, it is the wrong tool to hit the ball long. So in Gaelic Football you need a balance in a team and maiden1 is right to suggest he should think about a team rather than a group of individuals. I have serious respect for Kilcoo, and for the commitment of their players, but only Kane and Laverty are county standard. To not field Peter Turley in the two games, and only a bit part for Madine, when we were being steamrolled, was a sin. The defeats by Roscommon and Meath showed the need for big men yet he let Ryan Mallon go and didn't  persuade Dan Gordon back. We could go on but credit where credits due- he got us back to Division 1 and was still probably the right man to succeed James. We have had some bad results in the back door and took a bad tanking last year at home to Kildare so some perspective is needed. We were a division 2 team this year, Wexford were division 3 , and they out-played us last night. People are rightly apprehensive about Division 1 next year but McCorry has 6 months to prepare us and just about deserves the opportunity to lead it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on June 28, 2015, 02:04:52 PM
While I agree that the likes of Benny Ambrose and Gordon should have been kept on the squad. I have seen them play for there clubs and they aren't the players they used too be. I would like too have seen the new management bring in 6 or 7 younger players u23 too give them experience off the squad and build a team for 2-3 yrs down the road. I know 3or4 lads left the panel and weren't replaced surely the management have been out at club game's and seen some good young lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on June 28, 2015, 02:12:48 PM
Maiden just out of interest who are these players you think might make county players?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 28, 2015, 02:43:57 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 28, 2015, 02:00:41 PM
Hard to know where to start.

Firstly, I agree with Wobbler on the logistics/funding. Whatever we think of the performance, these lads put in a big effort and I don't begrudge them a night in Wexford. It was well after midnight when we got home and it's interesting that the majority of those criticising this aspect of the arrangements didn't bother their holes/had other pressing commitments (delete as appropriate) going to the game. Also, the county board are right to consider different ideas to raise revenue- it's a thankless job and there are always going to be people who complain about the dark rather than turn on the light.


I don't think people are complaining about the fact that the team gets a night in Wexford, but rather that a night away with a few scoops seems to be prioritised over better/proper match preparation. I agree that the players work hard and definitely get too much abuse from supporters but that has nothing to do with the stay in Wexford. Ideally they should stay both nights in Wexford but if the county board can only afford one, then it should have been the night before to save a long journey on match day and give them a few more nights out further down the line this summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 28, 2015, 03:29:08 PM
I dont think there is any deliberate bias against east down footballers, but Id argue there is a different set off criteria or allowances for players from south down and particulary lecale clubs. When Shay McCartan was home from Burnley he was drafted into the minor panel when he was home on holiday, Chris Deegans was at Southampton for 3 years, Gerard McCargo was at Leeds for 3 years and Neil Teggart was at sunderland for 3 years as well but to the best of my knowledge they were never invited onto the county minors when they were home; and all 3 were outstanding gaelic footballers at that age level.

Michael magee played a midfield role for the u21s when they got to the aif under Pete McGrath a few years ago. He was then part of the senior panel for the best part of 3 years. His midfeld partner in that team Peter Fitzpatrick went onto play in a senior all ireland for down, so to did the two mayo midfielders who down beat n the semi and the two cork midfielders won all ireland senior medals. Mick didnt look out of place against Seamus oshea or Parsons or Aiden walsh (i think).  I saw him score 3 points against tyrone in McKenna cup, yet incredibly never got a minute of national league action never mind championship. Yet the likes of Eoin McCartan were regulary selected when clearly unfit. Has anyone else ever played midfield for a whole u21 all ireland campaign and never play a single minute of league or championship football at senior level? from any county?

Ruairi Sharvin played midfield for Kilclief when they won the Ifc but was not picked for the minor PANEL that year. 30 lads ahead of him??. If he went to the abbey or st colmans he would have been on first 15. Iv been going to matches to watch down for 30 years and never seen a clubman start a championship game at minor or senior for Down. Im not saying Downs problems can be cured by visiting Ardglass but there is an apathy towards the county set up after decades of being overlooked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on June 28, 2015, 03:57:28 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 28, 2015, 02:43:57 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 28, 2015, 02:00:41 PM
Hard to know where to start.

Firstly, I agree with Wobbler on the logistics/funding. Whatever we think of the performance, these lads put in a big effort and I don't begrudge them a night in Wexford. It was well after midnight when we got home and it's interesting that the majority of those criticising this aspect of the arrangements didn't bother their holes/had other pressing commitments (delete as appropriate) going to the game. Also, the county board are right to consider different ideas to raise revenue- it's a thankless job and there are always going to be people who complain about the dark rather than turn on the light.


I don't think people are complaining about the fact that the team gets a night in Wexford, but rather that a night away with a few scoops seems to be prioritised over better/proper match preparation. I agree that the players work hard and definitely get too much abuse from supporters but that has nothing to do with the stay in Wexford. Ideally they should stay both nights in Wexford but if the county board can only afford one, then it should have been the night before to save a long journey on match day and give them a few more nights out further down the line this summer.

Some amount of crap on this.
That Westmeath team definately stayed in Jury's last night or maybe slept in the Changing Rooms.😃
Name the best 20 players in Down and see how far Jim McCorry is away from it - players just aren't there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 28, 2015, 04:31:55 PM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on June 28, 2015, 03:57:28 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 28, 2015, 02:43:57 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 28, 2015, 02:00:41 PM
Hard to know where to start.

Firstly, I agree with Wobbler on the logistics/funding. Whatever we think of the performance, these lads put in a big effort and I don't begrudge them a night in Wexford. It was well after midnight when we got home and it's interesting that the majority of those criticising this aspect of the arrangements didn't bother their holes/had other pressing commitments (delete as appropriate) going to the game. Also, the county board are right to consider different ideas to raise revenue- it's a thankless job and there are always going to be people who complain about the dark rather than turn on the light.


I don't think people are complaining about the fact that the team gets a night in Wexford, but rather that a night away with a few scoops seems to be prioritised over better/proper match preparation. I agree that the players work hard and definitely get too much abuse from supporters but that has nothing to do with the stay in Wexford. Ideally they should stay both nights in Wexford but if the county board can only afford one, then it should have been the night before to save a long journey on match day and give them a few more nights out further down the line this summer.

Some amount of crap on this.
That Westmeath team definately stayed in Jury's last night or maybe slept in the Changing Rooms.😃
Name the best 20 players in Down and see how far Jim McCorry is away from it - players just aren't there.
Your point is well made but the Manager is responsible for getting our most
15 capable men onto the field to win with the aid of the other 5 Subs. If we played
Wexford on another day we may well beat them and McCorry would
get the plaudits but he lost and must take the blame. Men were missing that
could have won us this Fixture but there should have been leeway given to older
and experienced Players when he brought in his new regime. His regime and instrangience
has cost us this year. Perhaps he may see the error of his ways and only he can decide
that. The worrying thing is that there appears to be no one coming through from our
losing Minor and U21 teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 28, 2015, 04:41:03 PM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on June 28, 2015, 03:57:28 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 28, 2015, 02:43:57 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 28, 2015, 02:00:41 PM
Hard to know where to start.

Firstly, I agree with Wobbler on the logistics/funding. Whatever we think of the performance, these lads put in a big effort and I don't begrudge them a night in Wexford. It was well after midnight when we got home and it's interesting that the majority of those criticising this aspect of the arrangements didn't bother their holes/had other pressing commitments (delete as appropriate) going to the game. Also, the county board are right to consider different ideas to raise revenue- it's a thankless job and there are always going to be people who complain about the dark rather than turn on the light.


I don't think people are complaining about the fact that the team gets a night in Wexford, but rather that a night away with a few scoops seems to be prioritised over better/proper match preparation. I agree that the players work hard and definitely get too much abuse from supporters but that has nothing to do with the stay in Wexford. Ideally they should stay both nights in Wexford but if the county board can only afford one, then it should have been the night before to save a long journey on match day and give them a few more nights out further down the line this summer.

Some amount of crap on this.
That Westmeath team definately stayed in Jury's last night or maybe slept in the Changing Rooms.😃
Name the best 20 players in Down and see how far Jim McCorry is away from it - players just aren't there.

Pot, kettle and black there. Athlone to Dublin is less than half the journey of Down to Wexford.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on June 28, 2015, 06:41:22 PM
Shambles yesterday!  It was a shambles from when the team was announced on Friday with a player named who the day before had gone for an operation, yet was still named to start? I really like to know the idea behind that.

15 mins started ok I thought, obviously they worked in training on try to work the kickouts to Mc Kernan out on the wings, Wexford soon caught on to this and then Kane was left with nothing  else to do but boot it straight down the middle, also didn't help that he didn't have any spare football's with him at post, until the 2nd half so quick kick outs were never really on! (How often do you ever see Durcan or Cluxton waiting on ball??) Full back line offered little or no protection, with Devlin trying playing nearly as a sweeper, with no success at all! Some of the subsitution were also baffling..

Major worry for me about this management set up, is that they haven't brought on any of the younger players on the panel, I feel that in particular the 2 Johnson brothers both played better under the previous management, given Mc Crory history with Kilcoo I was hoping for a lot more from those two. ( not talking about yesterday game, but over the season as a whole. Don't want that to sound like criticism of those 2 but don't think they were used very well this year)

Very disappointed end to the year, losing the last 3 games played. Div 1 next year will be tight shift!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 06:53:32 PM
Could anyone tell me why our senior team do not train on a full size pitch?  Everything they do is in the Abbey and their pitches are small school pitches yet we continue to train here.  Surely they should be training in Pairc Esler to get used to playing a certain style on a big pitch but training on small pitches certainly isn't helping us. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 28, 2015, 07:22:35 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 06:53:32 PM
Could anyone tell me why our senior team do not train on a full size pitch?  Everything they do is in the Abbey and their pitches are small school pitches yet we continue to train here.  Surely they should be training in Pairc Esler to get used to playing a certain style on a big pitch but training on small pitches certainly isn't helping us.

The Abbey have a full size grass pitch, a full sized 3G pitch and a 3/4 size grass pitch. Do you think MacRory cup games are played on go-games pitches or something?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 07:38:15 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 28, 2015, 07:22:35 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 06:53:32 PM
Could anyone tell me why our senior team do not train on a full size pitch?  Everything they do is in the Abbey and their pitches are small school pitches yet we continue to train here.  Surely they should be training in Pairc Esler to get used to playing a certain style on a big pitch but training on small pitches certainly isn't helping us.

The Abbey have a full size grass pitch, a full sized 3G pitch and a 3/4 size grass pitch. Do you think MacRory cup games are played on go-games pitches or something?

The Abbey have none of these.  I have just taken a look at their website and the 'full size' 3g pitch has two 50 yard lines but no 65's, obviously trying to hide the fact that it is not full size making it about 120/130m in length.  The grass pitch is just the same and equally as small.  Schools don't play any home games in MacRory cup , as far as I know.

Training on this small pitch all year certainly hasn't helped us when we start to play on much bigger fields come Championship time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 28, 2015, 08:08:38 PM
The Abbey 3G pitch is full size.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2015, 08:11:05 PM
Unreal that this is being discussed as an 'issue'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 08:13:16 PM
Take a look here then

http://www.abbeycbs.co.uk/Abbey-Sports-2010.pdf (http://www.abbeycbs.co.uk/Abbey-Sports-2010.pdf)

If it was fullsize there would be two 65m lines on the pitch. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2015, 08:11:05 PM
Unreal that this is being discussed as an 'issue'.

You don't think the size of the pitch our county team train on is relevant?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 28, 2015, 08:31:43 PM
no championship win in football in any grade in 2015. just let that sink in.  :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 28, 2015, 08:40:16 PM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on June 28, 2015, 03:57:28 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 28, 2015, 02:43:57 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 28, 2015, 02:00:41 PM
Hard to know where to start.

Firstly, I agree with Wobbler on the logistics/funding. Whatever we think of the performance, these lads put in a big effort and I don't begrudge them a night in Wexford. It was well after midnight when we got home and it's interesting that the majority of those criticising this aspect of the arrangements didn't bother their holes/had other pressing commitments (delete as appropriate) going to the game. Also, the county board are right to consider different ideas to raise revenue- it's a thankless job and there are always going to be people who complain about the dark rather than turn on the light.


I don't think people are complaining about the fact that the team gets a night in Wexford, but rather that a night away with a few scoops seems to be prioritised over better/proper match preparation. I agree that the players work hard and definitely get too much abuse from supporters but that has nothing to do with the stay in Wexford. Ideally they should stay both nights in Wexford but if the county board can only afford one, then it should have been the night before to save a long journey on match day and give them a few more nights out further down the line this summer.

Some amount of crap on this.
That Westmeath team definately stayed in Jury's last night or maybe slept in the Changing Rooms.😃
Name the best 20 players in Down and see how far Jim McCorry is away from it - players just aren't there.
mullingar is 45 minutes from Dublin. Big difference in 45 mins and 3 or 4 hours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 08:41:47 PM
Just over two years since this process began

DOWN GAA CONSULTATIVE PROCESS
DEVELOPING THE NEXT GENERATION - A VISION FOR DOWN GAELIC FOOTBALL

Down GAA is currently conducting a consultative process in relation to Gaelic Football in Down and over the coming months we are holding a number of meetings and workshopsto engage the thoughts and feeling of the various stakeholders that make up the Down GAA family.
We want to gather the views of anyone who has an interest in Down GAA, be it Administrators, Coaches, Parents, Teachers, GAA members or supporters.

With this in mind the following meetings have been arranged for people to voice their opinion:

11th June: Wellington Park Hotel Belfast
7pm -8.15pm - Schools - Primary and Post Primary
8.30pm - 10pm - GAA Family - Parents and Supporters

12th June: St. Patrick's Centre Downpatrick
7pm - 8.15pm - Schools - Primary and Post Primary
8.30pm - 10pm - GAA Family - Parents and Supporters

18th June: St, Patrick's Centre, Downpatrick
7pm to 8.15pm - County Players (including ex county players)
8.30pm - 10pm - Club Administrators and Coaches

2nd July: Canal Court Hotel Newry
7pm - 8.15pm - County Players (including ex county players)
8.30pm - 10pm - Club Administrators and Coaches

3rd July: Canal Court Hotel, Newry
7pm - 8.15pm - County Players (including ex county players)
8.30 - 10pm - Club Administrators and Coaches

9th July: Burrendale Hotel, Newcastle:
7pm - 8.15pm - Schools, Primary and Post Primary
8.30pm - 10pm - GAA Family - Parents, Supporters

10th July - Burrendale Hotel, Newcastle
7pm - 8.15pm - County Players (including ex county players)
8.30 - 10pm - Club Administrators and Coaches

More info on
www.downgaa.net


I know it's only two years in but has anything really changed?  Was there ever an actual plan made from the findings of these meetings?  POR put in place instead of Pete Mc Grath (who was only given the position previously because they didn't give him the Minor job) but little change with the Development Squads this year as far as I gather.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 28, 2015, 08:49:30 PM
Pete Mcgrath should be a major part of Down development in some shape or form. He has done well with limited resources at Fermanagh and has proved he still has a good reading of the game. No championship win in 2015 at any grade none in minor last year or u21's either I think.  Senior we drew with Tyrone got tanked in replay beat Leitrim then got a thumping by Kildare. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 09:00:00 PM
I see our hurling isn't going much better.  Here's a message from the Antrim Hurling thread:

Quote from: Hand up on June 28, 2015, 07:57:25 PM
UMHC Antrim 4-18 Down 1-8
So much for Downs Dev Sq push, they have been talking themselves up for a few years now, and as usual, not delivering!!
I wasn't there but heard the first half was a good show the 2nd no so good, but it's a results business.
I would hope the seniors show a bit of fight today fortnight, couldn't bear Down celebrating(or the clowns they have managing them!!
Any reports in today's matches
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2015, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2015, 08:11:05 PM
Unreal that this is being discussed as an 'issue'.

You don't think the size of the pitch our county team train on is relevant?

I didn't say that. But knock yourself out there sure.argue away about a couple meters if it makes you feel good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on June 28, 2015, 09:13:27 PM
Quote from: gaamann on June 28, 2015, 02:12:48 PM
Maiden just out of interest who are these players you think might make county players?
Michael Magee was 1 player I'd have liked to have seen given more of a shot, Packing Downie scored a goal against Tyrone when he was 20 and was forgot about for 10 years. Chris Duggan was brought into the panel twice after Bosco got to.2 intermediate finals but never played a minute in the Mckenna cup.  Those are the type of strong physical players I'd like to see brought onto the panel and given more time. At the minute the team starts with 6 similar nippy forwards with no one to win a high ball if the other team has a sweeper stopping the low ball. Possession at kickouts is another issue against better teams at the minute if Down get through a couple of rounds of the qualifiers they are going to be up.against Neil Gallagher, David Moran, the O'Sheas etc. when they meet the big teams.  If Down only win 1 out of 3 kickouts VS  2 our if 3 for the other team then there forwards only see 1/2 the ball the other forward line will. It is very hard to win.

At minor level it is also dominated by players from the same schools, who all know each other, were as players from non traditionally strong clubs are overlooked that I feel would have been.good additions to the panel if they are integrated in properly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 28, 2015, 09:16:28 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 08:13:16 PM
Take a look here then

http://www.abbeycbs.co.uk/Abbey-Sports-2010.pdf (http://www.abbeycbs.co.uk/Abbey-Sports-2010.pdf)

If it was fullsize there would be two 65m lines on the pitch.

Our club has played and trained on it and it's full size. Maybe the lines were just left off that computer generated image of the pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2015, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2015, 08:11:05 PM
Unreal that this is being discussed as an 'issue'.

You don't think the size of the pitch our county team train on is relevant?

I didn't say that. But knock yourself out there sure.argue away about a couple meters if it makes you feel good.

I'll put it this way, how often does your Drumgath team get blown away in the wide open spaces of Pairc Esler in Championship games when you are so used training in your own field and don't tell me you don't know what I am talking about.  It can be so hard to adjust when you are just not used to playing on big fields and its the same with our county team.  Its great training tight,defensive systems on a small field but try transferring that to a pitch 20 yards wider and 20 longer and the difference is massive.

Our County team needs to be training in Pairc Esler, thats all I'm saying.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2015, 09:34:07 PM
The calibre of facilities is such at the abbey etc that it caters for county teams.the marshes doesn't. Simple.
And I'm not from Drumgath but I'm sure there are a few of their club men who would gladly call bulls hit on your comment that they struggle  to adjust on bigger fields.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 09:35:31 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2015, 09:34:07 PM
The calibre of facilities is such at the abbey etc that it caters for county teams.the marshes doesn't. Simple.
And I'm not from Drumgath but I'm sure there are a few of their club men who would gladly call bulls hit on your comment that they struggle  to adjust on bigger fields.

Fair enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on June 28, 2015, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on June 28, 2015, 03:57:28 PM
Name the best 20 players in Down and see how far Jim McCorry is away from it - players just aren't there.

Absolutely.

Everyone giving off can ponder this; how high can the standard in the county really be if a parish of ~1500 people can win the last 3 Down championships?


If you want to find a large source of the problem, look inside your own club and ask "are we really getting the best out of the players we have in the club and the potential players we don't who are in the parish?"


[and I say this as a Kilcoo man who is very proud of what has been achieved within the club.]


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The talk of training facilities is a load of sh!te. Having a full size 3g pitch isn't gonna improve the basics of our players one bit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 28, 2015, 09:44:11 PM
pat spillane on the sunday game said today that it was no surprise that kerry, dublin and kilkenny were at the top because they had the best underage structures in place, the best underage coaches, the best development squads. it doesnt take massive brains to see that down are miles behind in any of this. until we get the underage development sorted we are never going to catch up with the best in ulster never mind all ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on June 28, 2015, 09:47:55 PM
Abbey 3G 136x87 yards,grass 144x87 yards, Parc Esler 152x89 yards. The issue should not be the size of these pitches but the fact that we pay out 50k approx per year on pitch hire for our various county squads! but then that's down to our county board. I'm just back from the Owenbeg, at least Derry spent their money wisely
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on June 28, 2015, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2015, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2015, 08:11:05 PM
Unreal that this is being discussed as an 'issue'.

You don't think the size of the pitch our county team train on is relevant?

I didn't say that. But knock yourself out there sure.argue away about a couple meters if it makes you feel good.

I'll put it this way, how often does your Drumgath team get blown away in the wide open spaces of Pairc Esler in Championship games when you are so used training in your own field and don't tell me you don't know what I am talking about.  It can be so hard to adjust when you are just not used to playing on big fields and its the same with our county team.  Its great training tight,defensive systems on a small field but try transferring that to a pitch 20 yards wider and 20 longer and the difference is massive.

Our County team needs to be training in Pairc Esler, thats all I'm saying.



Drumgath won the intermediate championship two years ago in pairc esler, winning a total of 3 games on the same field that season

Clown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 10:27:33 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on June 28, 2015, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2015, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2015, 08:11:05 PM
Unreal that this is being discussed as an 'issue'.

You don't think the size of the pitch our county team train on is relevant?

I didn't say that. But knock yourself out there sure.argue away about a couple meters if it makes you feel good.

I'll put it this way, how often does your Drumgath team get blown away in the wide open spaces of Pairc Esler in Championship games when you are so used training in your own field and don't tell me you don't know what I am talking about.  It can be so hard to adjust when you are just not used to playing on big fields and its the same with our county team.  Its great training tight,defensive systems on a small field but try transferring that to a pitch 20 yards wider and 20 longer and the difference is massive.

Our County team needs to be training in Pairc Esler, thats all I'm saying.



Drumgath won the intermediate championship two years ago in pairc esler, winning a total of 3 games on the same field that season

Clown

Was that before or after they took down the boxing ring  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on June 28, 2015, 10:31:43 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 10:27:33 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on June 28, 2015, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2015, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2015, 08:11:05 PM
Unreal that this is being discussed as an 'issue'.

You don't think the size of the pitch our county team train on is relevant?

I didn't say that. But knock yourself out there sure.argue away about a couple meters if it makes you feel good.

I'll put it this way, how often does your Drumgath team get blown away in the wide open spaces of Pairc Esler in Championship games when you are so used training in your own field and don't tell me you don't know what I am talking about.  It can be so hard to adjust when you are just not used to playing on big fields and its the same with our county team.  Its great training tight,defensive systems on a small field but try transferring that to a pitch 20 yards wider and 20 longer and the difference is massive.

Our County team needs to be training in Pairc Esler, thats all I'm saying.



Drumgath won the intermediate championship two years ago in pairc esler, winning a total of 3 games on the same field that season

Clown

Was that before or after they took down the boxing ring  ;)

You have already proved your inability to speak factually lineball so I suggest you spend your holidays over at hogan stand now that the rest of your class mates have finished for the summer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 10:43:27 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on June 28, 2015, 10:31:43 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 10:27:33 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on June 28, 2015, 10:18:37 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2015, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 08:14:15 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2015, 08:11:05 PM
Unreal that this is being discussed as an 'issue'.

You don't think the size of the pitch our county team train on is relevant?

I didn't say that. But knock yourself out there sure.argue away about a couple meters if it makes you feel good.

I'll put it this way, how often does your Drumgath team get blown away in the wide open spaces of Pairc Esler in Championship games when you are so used training in your own field and don't tell me you don't know what I am talking about.  It can be so hard to adjust when you are just not used to playing on big fields and its the same with our county team.  Its great training tight,defensive systems on a small field but try transferring that to a pitch 20 yards wider and 20 longer and the difference is massive.

Our County team needs to be training in Pairc Esler, thats all I'm saying.



Drumgath won the intermediate championship two years ago in pairc esler, winning a total of 3 games on the same field that season

Clown

Was that before or after they took down the boxing ring  ;)

You have already proved your inability to speak factually lineball so I suggest you spend your holidays over at hogan stand now that the rest of your class mates have finished for the summer

:'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 28, 2015, 10:49:42 PM
Quote from: The Raven on June 28, 2015, 09:47:55 PM
Abbey 3G 136x87 yards,grass 144x87 yards, Parc Esler 152x89 yards. The issue should not be the size of these pitches but the fact that we pay out 50k approx per year on pitch hire for our various county squads! but then that's down to our county board. I'm just back from the Owenbeg, at least Derry spent their money wisely

The funny thing is that I agree with every thing you've written here.

The daft thing is that Derry haven't exactly reaped anything close to success as a result of building Owenbeg.

So I don't know what to think anymore.

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 28, 2015, 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 28, 2015, 10:49:42 PM
Quote from: The Raven on June 28, 2015, 09:47:55 PM
Abbey 3G 136x87 yards,grass 144x87 yards, Parc Esler 152x89 yards. The issue should not be the size of these pitches but the fact that we pay out 50k approx per year on pitch hire for our various county squads! but then that's down to our county board. I'm just back from the Owenbeg, at least Derry spent their money wisely

The funny thing is that I agree with every thing you've written here.

The daft thing is that Derry haven't exactly reaped anything close to success as a result of building Owenbeg.

So I don't know what to think anymore.

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It's only been open two years (I think), if its purpose is to further youth development then it will probably take longer than that to come through. They beat the unstoppable Donegal minors and are now in an Ulster final though so maybe that's something for the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 28, 2015, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 28, 2015, 09:44:11 PM
pat spillane on the sunday game said today that it was no surprise that kerry, dublin and kilkenny were at the top because they had the best underage structures in place, the best underage coaches, the best development squads. it doesnt take massive brains to see that down are miles behind in any of this. until we get the underage development sorted we are never going to catch up with the best in ulster never mind all ireland.

Kerry won the All Ireland minor title last year. Before that the last time they won it was 1994. Pat is talking shite. The divisional championship set up is the key to Kerry's success. Bringing players through from junior clubs every year and giving them senior championship football. Declan Sullivan, John Egan, Pat Spillane and his brothers, Maurice Fitz, Bryan Sheehan, Jacko, Mick O'Connell...and a multitude of others all playing for junior clubs but because of the divisional set up they play senior c'ship. Them cute Kerry hoors make sure they never miss a talented player not matter where he plays.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 28, 2015, 11:03:31 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 28, 2015, 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 28, 2015, 10:49:42 PM
Quote from: The Raven on June 28, 2015, 09:47:55 PM
Abbey 3G 136x87 yards,grass 144x87 yards, Parc Esler 152x89 yards. The issue should not be the size of these pitches but the fact that we pay out 50k approx per year on pitch hire for our various county squads! but then that's down to our county board. I'm just back from the Owenbeg, at least Derry spent their money wisely

The funny thing is that I agree with every thing you've written here.

The daft thing is that Derry haven't exactly reaped anything close to success as a result of building Owenbeg.

So I don't know what to think anymore.

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It's only been open two years (I think), if its purpose is to further youth development then it will probably take longer than that to come through. They beat the unstoppable Donegal minors and are now in an Ulster final though so maybe that's something for the future.

Derry have been using Owenbeg for training for around 20 years.

The best facilities are the most recently opened ones, but it was getting a plot on land to call home and taking their time to do it right, that is the real value imho.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 28, 2015, 11:04:39 PM
Id have to agree with you 5sams. Darren O Sullivan is another. A big loss to Down football was the premature death of Pat O'Hare (rip) almost 15 years ago now. I remember him talking about creating development squads etc, way before anyone else, he was so innovative and organised, he would have been the ideal man to co-ordinate coaching structures within the county. Sadly wasnt to happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 28, 2015, 11:08:12 PM
Strange interview by McCorry on sunday game. Happy with promotion to Div 1
This guy is a spoofer would we be in any worse a position if we got rid of him now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 28, 2015, 11:19:20 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 28, 2015, 11:08:12 PM
Strange interview by McCorry on sunday game. Happy with promotion to Div 1
This guy is a spoofer would we be in any worse a position if we got rid of him now.

Who would you put in Snoop?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 28, 2015, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 28, 2015, 11:08:12 PM
Strange interview by McCorry on sunday game. Happy with promotion to Div 1
This guy is a spoofer would we be in any worse a position if we got rid of him now.
mccorrys interview was an embarrassment. Championship is what it's about not bloody league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 28, 2015, 11:25:42 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 28, 2015, 11:04:39 PM
Id have to agree with you 5sams. Darren O Sullivan is another. A big loss to Down football was the premature death of Pat O'Hare (rip) almost 15 years ago now. I remember him talking about creating development squads etc, way before anyone else, he was so innovative and organised, he would have been the ideal man to co-ordinate coaching structures within the county. Sadly wasnt to happen.

I've been going to West Kerry 2 or 3 times a year for the last 20 years...talking football to Páidí Ó Sé, Tommy Griffin and Padraic Corcoran. The divisional championship is the key. Ógie Moran, Paul Galvin and the bomber all played junior football with their clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 28, 2015, 11:30:50 PM
Its hard to argue with their results anyway 5sams. Ask Lecale was attempted about 3 years ago, i think it would be worth looking at again but it would need to be trialled over 5 years to give it a chance of working.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 28, 2015, 11:33:58 PM
I dont think McCorry will be let go, but I think burrens Sean Ward could be a viable candidate in the near future, he had great results with Burren u21s, done fantastic with St Johns and I wouldnt be suprised if he got his first sfc as manager this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on June 28, 2015, 11:51:38 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 28, 2015, 11:30:50 PM
Its hard to argue with their results anyway 5sams. Ask Lecale was attempted about 3 years ago, i think it would be worth looking at again but it would need to be trialled over 5 years to give it a chance of working.
I think it was trialed with 3 teams. Might be better with 5 or 6 teams at least.  Kilclief, Saul, Bright, Ardglass, Darragh Cross, Teccaunaught. If it not taken seriously with a proper management structure training once or twice a week there would be no point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 28, 2015, 11:52:06 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 28, 2015, 11:19:20 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 28, 2015, 11:08:12 PM
Strange interview by McCorry on sunday game. Happy with promotion to Div 1
This guy is a spoofer would we be in any worse a position if we got rid of him now.

Who would you put in Snoop?
I honestly don't know. I suppose I should have an alternative if I'm Going to call for his head. But I don't know who within the county could change things around? Would anyone even want the job? Outside managers have been to the forefront lately for the top clubs winning the Down championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 29, 2015, 09:35:56 AM
I promised myself I wouldn't get involved and bite at these clowns coming on here hurling personal abuse at people involved with our county set up. But this discussion board has got out of control. The personal abuse directed at our county secretary by one eejit in particular, I wont even stoop low enough to name him, is unacceptable. Constructive criticism is acceptable personal abuse is not. I see the work Seán óg puts in on a daily basis. Alright you might say he gets paid for it and yes myself and our club have had our disagreements with him, but what other job involves working 9 to 5 and then out every night helping clubs with grant applications, sorting tickets out, etc, etc, etc. His only concern is the welfare of clubs in Down and the county teams. It's not his fault 15+ highly tuned athletes couldn't beat a 4th division team. Don't forget how great a fella he was when he was supplying everyone with tickets in 2010.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 29, 2015, 09:47:28 AM
Non-comparable eras. Different ball game now with different set of requirements to run successful county football teams.
Funds have to be raised somehow and if the county board members are willing to put their head on the block in order to raise or attempt to raise revenue then that's fair enough.
You cant criticise people for at least trying to raise money to fund our teams. Maybe you can take issue with how they go about it but at the end of the day im sure those men who signed up for Crumlin Rd gig aren't doing it to gain something personally out of it.
If we had beaten Derry and beaten Wexford there would be no mention of it. The fund-raising activities and initiatives are not the reason for the losses. Neither is the size of the Abbey pitches.

And for the record, im no fan of some county board personnel and how they operate but some of the things being said on here are wild.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 29, 2015, 10:00:04 AM
Quote from: ardtole on June 28, 2015, 11:33:58 PM
I dont think McCorry will be let go, but I think burrens Sean Ward could be a viable candidate in the near future, he had great results with Burren u21s, done fantastic with St Johns and I wouldnt be suprised if he got his first sfc as manager this season.

I don't get this.

If success in club football in Down is the criteria for county team appointments, then Jim McCorry is the outstanding candidate by miles. The only other person who could be considered is Frank Dawson.

Sean Ward looks promising, no doubt. But let's get this straight, you are actually promoting the appointment of a man who has never managed in a game at senior club championship level.

This is lunacy at every possible level. Yet you have the temerity to criticise the county board?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 29, 2015, 10:09:29 AM
I never once criticised the county board. Someone asked who might want the job or would anyone even take the job. All i said is I dont think McCorry will go but if he did, Sean Ward has impressed me with his record to date and might be a viable option in the near future. How the hell can that upset you??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 29, 2015, 10:47:23 AM
If I made any personal comments other than question the managers potion then I apologise.  On bright side we avoided another trip to Derry. But I don't know why Down teams fail time and again to be totally tuned into games. No doubt we are better than wexford so why didn't we beat them? Is there any mental prep for the team, something I would say jim mcguinness did with Donegal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 29, 2015, 11:23:01 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 29, 2015, 10:47:23 AM
If I made any personal comments other than question the managers potion then I apologise.  On bright side we avoided another trip to Derry. But I don't know why Down teams fail time and again to be totally tuned into games. No doubt we are better than wexford so why didn't we beat them? Is there any mental prep for the team, something I would say jim mcguinness did with Donegal.

That's a serious bit of positive mental attitude right there!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 29, 2015, 11:25:08 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 28, 2015, 09:00:00 PM
I see our hurling isn't going much better.  Here's a message from the Antrim Hurling thread:

Quote from: Hand up on June 28, 2015, 07:57:25 PM
UMHC Antrim 4-18 Down 1-8
So much for Downs Dev Sq push, they have been talking themselves up for a few years now, and as usual, not delivering!!
I wasn't there but heard the first half was a good show the 2nd no so good, but it's a results business.
I would hope the seniors show a bit of fight today fortnight, couldn't bear Down celebrating(or the clowns they have managing them!!
Any reports in today's matches

Senior hurlers won a few hours later, but lets drown in negativity as it suits the agenda.

Back to development squads and what not, Whilst they're a good concept I think they cast the net too narrow and leave aside a lot of late developing potential and secondly they start at far too late in a childs development especially in hurling where if the basics aren't there at 6 to 8 years of age, you're pissing in the wind trying to change a youngster at 14, 15 or what not. Football might be slightly different, but I'm sure there's loads of bad habits that are hard to correct there too.

I think our full time coaches need to work harder at the finer details of coaching the coaches and I'm not talking about that bollox of foundation courses as they're far too generic and the devil is in the detail, e.g. we'd Paudie Butler up with us for a Saturday and he spent 30 minutes talking about the grip and swing in hurling and then proceeded to take another 20 minutes with our u16's putting into practice the theory he'd put across, but then again that's why his club in Tipp came from junior and got to three Tipp senior club finals and now have 3 or 4 lads on their senior county team whilst he was principal of the local national school.

On the games, Kilkenny historically allow their players go back to their clubs throughout the championship and their club championships are intertwined with the AI series, Kerry footballers are the same, so are Cork, plus Kilkenny underage club teams are guaranteed a game every week at all levels as well as the development squads, so as much as the development squads are there, they're not the be all and end all and clubs are still availing of their players throughout the year.
Plus the coaches are recognised for the voluntary work they do regularly, I think they've a thank you dinner every year, plus the senior hurlers are encouraged/reminded to thank these coaches every time they are interviewed on TV or in the press.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on June 29, 2015, 02:02:05 PM
This may sound disrespectful to Wexford but Down should never ever be beaten by Wexford (a hurling county) at any level in football. It happened in Ross and DJ's time when everything was chaotic, is there chaos in the ranks now, with all the organisation and 'commitment' than has gone into the current regime, surely not?

I believe McCorry is the best candidate for the job but watching Down this year has been as frustrating as ever and if I'm honest there was much less optimism before this years championship than usual. To be dumped out by Wexford is a shock.

The Down senior football team do not have:


A Full back

A Centre half back

A Midfield Partnership

A Full forward line

Leaders on the pitch (apart from McKernan & Laverty)

And most importantly a match winner. For the first time in about 30 years we no longer have somebody to get excited about who can make something out of nothing, someone with the brain to match his ability (ie) a  Benny Coulter, a Mickey Linden, A James McCartan.


And before people start yapping about my criticisms I still do believe that most of the current squad are good enough to be there but for example, Luke Howard is a very good man marking corner back not a full back, not someone to mark full forwards 4&5 inches taller, Peter Fitzpatrick is a fine midfielder (as is Peter Turley) but surely we can find another competitive midfielder from somewhere? Apart from Liam Doyle and Aidan Carr in flashes we hav'nt had a presence at centre half back in many years, the same can be said of full back apart from when Big Dan excelled in there.

The point I'm making is that (in my opinion) concessions should have been made for the recently retired/dropped/uncommitted or whatever status they have.

Its the same issues year in year out, I'm sure Jim has a long term plan in place for success but Saturday night was certainly a step back in the process.


On another note, Antrim travelled to Laois last week for a 2.30 throw in. Offaly tavelled to Waterford for a 2.30 throw in. On Saturday Wicklow went to Armagh for a 2.30 throw in whilst Limerick travelled to Omagh for a 4pm throw in.

WHY DID DOWN HAVE A 6.30 THROW IN FOR A TRIP TO WEXFORD???

Somebody somewhere should have dug their heals in.


Rant over

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 29, 2015, 02:21:16 PM
There is a lot of talk about the missing players, hotel rooms and development squads. And although there were many goo points none address the actual cause of our failure. The way we play football is the problem. If you have  a good system that maximizes player abilities then better players make you a better team. but if you have such a god awful system as ours (in fact do we have one) then better players would not guarantee a dramatic improvement.

For me the blame lies firmly with the team management. We have good players, maybe not best in Ireland but definitely a squad of competent fit players. When Jim joined things had dropped off for us with our performances looking erratic and full of repetitive flaws. Jim was meant to address these issue but instead things are possibly worse. Key areas Jim failed to address:

1. Regaining possession from our own kickouts - All season we have persevered with long kick to easily beaten players. Jim's strategy was to change the personnel each game. But none of our players are classical fielding midfielders, he should have changed the approach instead. He is responsible for providing a system instead of stubbornly trying new players in a broken system.

2. Attacking space - We cycle the ball with fist passing but then the passer drops back behind the receiver so we gradually work our way backwards. Jim should have implemented a system of allowing some players to run forward into space to receive a pass and shoot. We rarely have players move forward for a return pass instead it is drop back and cover every time giving the opposition an easy task of outnumbering our attackers.

3. Scoring - Linked to point 2, the management have a responsibility for encouraging players to shoot when opportunities come and try to build scorelines. Instead we seem much more interested in retaining possession and working the ball into slightly better positions. It's like the lads don't even understand when they have succeeded in getting the ball to the right place and now is the time to shoot.

4. Group defending - Donegal, Mayo... are all good at group defending. An attacking team gets so far and then is swarmed and turned over. We had an awful lot of one-on-ones this season and suffered for it. Jim should have the boys drilled to allow certain attacks to progress and then attack the ball carrier at the right time. It seems to me that the team are being asked to try to tackle every single opposition ball carrier. causing our defense to fragment and act as individuals. (for example, put a little pressure on a half forward while marking his other attackers but leave the corner back or half back a little more free. When he passes to this man then swarm him because he is more likely to succumb to turnovers)

5. Timing of runs to maximize player fitness - It should clear to us that there is a system of who makes the forward runs and when, so that we see players can maintain a high level of pressure throughout the 70 minutes instead of just everyone running their guts out for the whole game. Coalan Mooney is one of the fastest players around yet we never utilized his pace by asking him to make breaks and playing the ball into his run.

6. Gaining possession in the danger area - We dance around the opposition 45 for ages but rarely get good possession inside their 21. We have no system of getting good ball to our full-forward line. Jim seems to think that pumping high balls into a small two-man forward line will work one day. At no point did he think to try a three man full forward line, or playing a target man up front despite McConville coming on as a sub and scoring 3 goals plus making two others this season.

In short I am not sure Jim had any system at all except "Don't lose possession". I didn't see one. I also didn't see obvious problems addressed except to stick with the approach but shuffle player positions. Most importantly we did not improve as the season progressed, we saw no development of the team cohesion. To me eyes this seemed to leave the players looking more and more like a bunch of guys that didn't trust the plan and weren't enjoying playing for the county. I saw a lot of personal pride and determined effort but no cohesion and no obvious game strategy.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 29, 2015, 02:35:25 PM
Quote from: A man from Down on June 29, 2015, 02:02:05 PM
This may sound disrespectful to Wexford but Down should never ever be beaten by Wexford (a hurling county) at any level in football. It happened in Ross and DJ's time when everything was chaotic, is there chaos in the ranks now, with all the organisation and 'commitment' than has gone into the current regime, surely not?

I believe McCorry is the best candidate for the job but watching Down this year has been as frustrating as ever and if I'm honest there was much less optimism before this years championship than usual. To be dumped out by Wexford is a shock.

The Down senior football team do not have:


A Full back

A Centre half back

A Midfield Partnership

A Full forward line

Leaders on the pitch (apart from McKernan & Laverty)

And most importantly a match winner. For the first time in about 30 years we no longer have somebody to get excited about who can make something out of nothing, someone with the brain to match his ability (ie) a  Benny Coulter, a Mickey Linden, A James McCartan.


And before people start yapping about my criticisms I still do believe that most of the current squad are good enough to be there but for example, Luke Howard is a very good man marking corner back not a full back, not someone to mark full forwards 4&5 inches taller, Peter Fitzpatrick is a fine midfielder (as is Peter Turley) but surely we can find another competitive midfielder from somewhere? Apart from Liam Doyle and Aidan Carr in flashes we hav'nt had a presence at centre half back in many years, the same can be said of full back apart from when Big Dan excelled in there.

The point I'm making is that (in my opinion) concessions should have been made for the recently retired/dropped/uncommitted or whatever status they have.

Its the same issues year in year out, I'm sure Jim has a long term plan in place for success but Saturday night was certainly a step back in the process.


On another note, Antrim travelled to Laois last week for a 2.30 throw in. Offaly tavelled to Waterford for a 2.30 throw in. On Saturday Wicklow went to Armagh for a 2.30 throw in whilst Limerick travelled to Omagh for a 4pm throw in.

WHY DID DOWN HAVE A 6.30 THROW IN FOR A TRIP TO WEXFORD???

Somebody somewhere should have dug their heals in.


Rant over

The difference being it was August when Down lost to Wexford not June. We also managed to beat the team that went on to win the AI that year and win a McKenna cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 29, 2015, 02:47:20 PM
Id love to hear some of the spin-merchants views now.
Mourne Rover where are ye sunshine? Give us a few nuggets.

Saturdays result was shocking but it wasn't a shock by any stretch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on June 29, 2015, 03:23:27 PM
If you have no presence in the middle third of the field you do not win football games. If you have a manager who cant see that or fails to address it we will not win football games. If we go on making the same mistakes we cant expect different results. Next year we will be heading into the championship with a losing mentality arising from a series of beatings in Div.1 and relegation. Where are the positives. I dont believe there are better footballers in the county that are not in the current panel. Minors and U21s are largely failing to produce any talent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on June 29, 2015, 08:43:38 PM
I think Jim was the correct appointment at the time, but what has surprised me is the radical change to his teams style of play. From what I seen with Kilcoo and Clonduff, he would drop one player into defence to sweep and play with 5 forwards.
With Down it has been a case of getting 13 men back behind the ball and the emphasis is on restricting the other team to score as little as possible. However, when Down turned the ball over, play was too slow getting up the field, and our players didn't break at speed to rejoin the attack. It seems we have the attitude of let's not get beat, rather than let's go win. That's fine if you are strong defensively, but we are not
Think the criticism of Jim is harsh and has been mentioned before, only Frank Dawson was a serious contender for the position.
Moving forward, I would like to see the team playing a more attacking system -you will find that the majority of our top players are forwards and we are taking them away from forward line
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 29, 2015, 09:54:35 PM
Two days later and the various posts are getting longer and more analytical but we're
still out of the Championship and in a very bad place in all aspects-top to bottom. Think I'll join the Katie Taylor fan Club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on June 29, 2015, 11:06:09 PM
Very good points by PaulD, especially on attack and on passing and movement.
So what now folks - what is the answer? A clear-out of players, manager and county board staff?

Which a) is not going to happen and b) would cause another few years of hurt and no direction.

What pains me is that you are not seen to be a competent manager unless you ape the tactics of Jimmy McGuinness, and before him, Harte and McKernan. These managers, along with Fitzmaurice and Gavin have looked at the players available to them (including older players who couldn't commit) and came up with a system that worked for that team. You cannot compare the Tyrone, Armagh and Donegal teams of the last fifteen years. They were all different yet their style of play was thrown under the blanket defence tag. Forwards defending and vice versa has always been around - who remembers Ross Carr catching balls in his own penalty era, or Paul Higgins/DJ Kane scoring points?

How do we compete with these teams? I am waiting for a team to come up with a different style of play to beat the current defensive systems that all managers are judged by, and change Gaelic Football.

Down did it in the sixties and nineties, Clare did it a couple of years ago in the hurling and (although some don't like the comparison with other sports) Barcelona changed soccer and the way it is played.

I suppose I think that is why we are always left wringing our hands at poor Down performances. Alright we have to wait for our glory, but when it comes along it really is a game changer.
It was 23 years between 68 and 91; it is now 21 years since 94, with a glimmer of hope in 2010.

If I were to suggest an answer would be for the current set up to be more radical.
Throw off the shackles and f**kin go for it - and start by going back to basics. The largest part of Down's problem is the basic skills of passing, kicking scoring, and that is a sign of a lack of confidence.

Somehow McCorry has to get the team to buy into his methods and build their confidence in how they play football. If he cannot do this, he should make way as soon as possible. It is up to him to look at the players available and to come up with not just one style of play but a plan B as well. He MUST look at the height and strength issue within Down Football or else improve our football to the level where our smaller players thrive.

It is up to the management and to a certain extent the players to make it exciting to watch Down Football again. I think there are the players there to do it, it is just going to take some imagination, focus, planning and a real want to improve the situation. To want to become legends of the game rather than another generation of local heroes.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 30, 2015, 12:11:46 PM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on June 29, 2015, 11:06:09 PM
Very good points by PaulD, especially on attack and on passing and movement.
So what now folks - what is the answer? A clear-out of players, manager and county board staff?

Which a) is not going to happen and b) would cause another few years of hurt and no direction.

What pains me is that you are not seen to be a competent manager unless you ape the tactics of Jimmy McGuinness, and before him, Harte and McKernan. These managers, along with Fitzmaurice and Gavin have looked at the players available to them (including older players who couldn't commit) and came up with a system that worked for that team. You cannot compare the Tyrone, Armagh and Donegal teams of the last fifteen years. They were all different yet their style of play was thrown under the blanket defence tag. Forwards defending and vice versa has always been around - who remembers Ross Carr catching balls in his own penalty era, or Paul Higgins/DJ Kane scoring points?

How do we compete with these teams? I am waiting for a team to come up with a different style of play to beat the current defensive systems that all managers are judged by, and change Gaelic Football.

Down did it in the sixties and nineties, Clare did it a couple of years ago in the hurling and (although some don't like the comparison with other sports) Barcelona changed soccer and the way it is played.

I suppose I think that is why we are always left wringing our hands at poor Down performances. Alright we have to wait for our glory, but when it comes along it really is a game changer.
It was 23 years between 68 and 91; it is now 21 years since 94, with a glimmer of hope in 2010.

If I were to suggest an answer would be for the current set up to be more radical.
Throw off the shackles and f**kin go for it - and start by going back to basics. The largest part of Down's problem is the basic skills of passing, kicking scoring, and that is a sign of a lack of confidence.

Somehow McCorry has to get the team to buy into his methods and build their confidence in how they play football. If he cannot do this, he should make way as soon as possible. It is up to him to look at the players available and to come up with not just one style of play but a plan B as well. He MUST look at the height and strength issue within Down Football or else improve our football to the level where our smaller players thrive.

It is up to the management and to a certain extent the players to make it exciting to watch Down Football again. I think there are the players there to do it, it is just going to take some imagination, focus, planning and a real want to improve the situation. To want to become legends of the game rather than another generation of local heroes.

These systems and managers only come around as often as you have mentioned, but I would point to arguably the form team in the country over the past few years, Dublin, they have a way of playing that when prepared, would beat any blanket defence. I know they were turned over last year but maybe that was a lack of preparation on their part.id say if they face Donegal this year the result will be different. Pace power and clinical finishing is how the dubs do it. Maybe others could take leaf from their book. In addition to that, the Barcelona reference isn't quite the same, They didn't change the way the game was played, it has been like that for years, going back to the great European Cup winning teams who played keep ball as their bread and butter! Barcelona just happen to have one of the best there ever will be playing for them, and a few more world class men around him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on June 30, 2015, 12:46:49 PM
As (sort of) an outsider looking in, I can't understand why so many key men no longer feature for Down when they could still have something to offer.

Is McComiskey still in the country these days? What about Dan Gordon? Ambrose? Even big King? Benny? Throw Clarke into the mix who admittedly will probably be back and you have six really big players with tons of experience.

The likes of Benny for presence alone in a changing room is worth it - confidence/ignorance/cockiness whatever you wanna call it, what I always associated with Down is missing (on the field, maybe not so much the CC on a sat night). Whatever age he is, however past it he is, I can guarantee no defender in Ireland would look forward to benny waddling over to him for the last ten mins of a tight game.

How that current crop got promoted is an achievement in itself so I wouldn't lay all the blame with the mgmt. that said if they aren't keeping an open mind they are hindering any chance of proper development by not properly managing the playing resources the county has on offer.

Even we in Armagh are laughing at yous and we're nothing to shout about!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 30, 2015, 01:28:30 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 30, 2015, 12:46:49 PM
As (sort of) an outsider looking in, I can't understand why so many key men no longer feature for Down when they could still have something to offer.

Is McComiskey still in the country these days? What about Dan Gordon? Ambrose? Even big King? Benny? Throw Clarke into the mix who admittedly will probably be back and you have six really big players with tons of experience.

The likes of Benny for presence alone in a changing room is worth it - confidence/ignorance/cockiness whatever you wanna call it, what I always associated with Down is missing (on the field, maybe not so much the CC on a sat night). Whatever age he is, however past it he is, I can guarantee no defender in Ireland would look forward to benny waddling over to him for the last ten mins of a tight game.

How that current crop got promoted is an achievement in itself so I wouldn't lay all the blame with the mgmt. that said if they aren't keeping an open mind they are hindering any chance of proper development by not properly managing the playing resources the county has on offer.

Even we in Armagh are laughing at yous and we're nothing to shout about!

All still playing club football!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 30, 2015, 03:22:36 PM
Like I said, all those players would improve the team but without a change in approach we would still be going nowhere. If Down played like Kilcoo I believe we would be a better team. Kilcoo always played with a target man and two corner forwards. Kilcoo kicked plenty of direct ball and didn't have this backward passing obsession Jim has used in the county team. Devlin played in the forwards and delivered good ball inside.

Most importantly Kilcoo attack space not just congest it.

Better players playing a bad system just means better players putting on a bad performance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 30, 2015, 09:42:41 PM
We still lost.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 30, 2015, 10:00:54 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 30, 2015, 09:42:41 PM
We still lost.
and im still pissed off about it 3 days later.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on June 30, 2015, 11:07:12 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 30, 2015, 12:11:46 PM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on June 29, 2015, 11:06:09 PM
Very good points by PaulD, especially on attack and on passing and movement.
So what now folks - what is the answer? A clear-out of players, manager and county board staff?

Which a) is not going to happen and b) would cause another few years of hurt and no direction.

What pains me is that you are not seen to be a competent manager unless you ape the tactics of Jimmy McGuinness, and before him, Harte and McKernan. These managers, along with Fitzmaurice and Gavin have looked at the players available to them (including older players who couldn't commit) and came up with a system that worked for that team. You cannot compare the Tyrone, Armagh and Donegal teams of the last fifteen years. They were all different yet their style of play was thrown under the blanket defence tag. Forwards defending and vice versa has always been around - who remembers Ross Carr catching balls in his own penalty era, or Paul Higgins/DJ Kane scoring points?

How do we compete with these teams? I am waiting for a team to come up with a different style of play to beat the current defensive systems that all managers are judged by, and change Gaelic Football.

Down did it in the sixties and nineties, Clare did it a couple of years ago in the hurling and (although some don't like the comparison with other sports) Barcelona changed soccer and the way it is played.

I suppose I think that is why we are always left wringing our hands at poor Down performances. Alright we have to wait for our glory, but when it comes along it really is a game changer.
It was 23 years between 68 and 91; it is now 21 years since 94, with a glimmer of hope in 2010.

If I were to suggest an answer would be for the current set up to be more radical.
Throw off the shackles and f**kin go for it - and start by going back to basics. The largest part of Down's problem is the basic skills of passing, kicking scoring, and that is a sign of a lack of confidence.

Somehow McCorry has to get the team to buy into his methods and build their confidence in how they play football. If he cannot do this, he should make way as soon as possible. It is up to him to look at the players available and to come up with not just one style of play but a plan B as well. He MUST look at the height and strength issue within Down Football or else improve our football to the level where our smaller players thrive.

It is up to the management and to a certain extent the players to make it exciting to watch Down Football again. I think there are the players there to do it, it is just going to take some imagination, focus, planning and a real want to improve the situation. To want to become legends of the game rather than another generation of local heroes.

These systems and managers only come around as often as you have mentioned, but I would point to arguably the form team in the country over the past few years, Dublin, they have a way of playing that when prepared, would beat any blanket defence. I know they were turned over last year but maybe that was a lack of preparation on their part.id say if they face Donegal this year the result will be different. Pace power and clinical finishing is how the dubs do it. Maybe others could take leaf from their book. In addition to that, the Barcelona reference isn't quite the same, They didn't change the way the game was played, it has been like that for years, going back to the great European Cup winning teams who played keep ball as their bread and butter! Barcelona just happen to have one of the best there ever will be playing for them, and a few more world class men around him.

Just my opinion Supersub, not based on anything knowledgeable or scientific. Just that personally I have never seen a team play soccer like the Barcelona/Spain teams of five/six years ago, nor the way Clare won the AIF a couple of years ago. I have never seen an Irish Rugby team play like they played up until the end of last year. Look at the change in Donegal over the past five years. For me, it is definitely down to the impact the management has on the team.

What would worry me is that so many Down players have walked away from the panel in recent years. We should be fielding a whole team of players with AIF + 5 extra years county experience. It is sad in a way that the relative success of 2010 was not built on and that many good, decent players have left. Was there much done to stop them? An honest question.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on June 30, 2015, 11:26:41 PM
Quote from BarryBreensBandage

"I suppose I think that is why we are always left wringing our hands at poor Down performances. Alright we have to wait for our glory, but when it comes along it really is a game changer.
It was 23 years between 68 and 91; it is now 21 years since 94, with a glimmer of hope in 2010."

I think that is optimistic to say the least, In the 23 years between 68 and 91, we were at least contenders,challenging for Ulster titles and we were a force in the League in the eighties. In the 21 years since 94 we have not won an Ulster, or even really been fancied to win one.

I think there is something systematically wrong with Down football at the minute and I don't think our manager can take too much of the blame for the problems at the moment.

I would agree that he could have managed the older players better and invited some of them to join the squad in the spring. They had put years of service in for Down and I can't imagine any of the current squad begrudging these stalwarts a return to the team after their winter breaks. However, whilst it might have got us past Wexford, I think it would have papered over the cracks. Legend that Benny was and is, we saw from his last season with Down, that the best we could hope for was half a game at most. Ambrose is not nearly the player he was, because he has suffered injuries that would have ended many a career. We know Clarke has health problems. One would hope Dan could make a return, but he has a lot of commitments.

There are some good ideas being mentioned. The championship modelled on the Kerry system should be given another chance and more effort put in to make it work. We obviously need to work on youth development, but for me the most pressing change needs to be a return to the league and championship that existed up to the wins in 91 and 94.

The move back to a ten team division is welcome and about time, but we should get rid of the starred system and stick with the two up and two down. Championship should be a straight knock out. When you played a league match through the 80s and early 90s every match was crucial. A run of early loses and you were in serious bother. Each match was a real test and you always had your best 15 out on the field and other players improved playing against the county players. The atmosphere was better, the stakes higher and the matches far more competitive. In my opinion there are too many dead rubbers now and as a consequence of a poor league, we now don't produce the players we did, or at least not enough of them.

91 and 94 did not come out of nowhere. Some of the Burren lads would tell you some of the toughest games they had in their glory days were in Down. Pete McGrath was able to leave Bundy Mason and Shorty Trainor out of his squad and at various stages he he did not start Gerrard Deegan and Ciaran McCabe. That in itself gives an indication of the strength of Down football at the time.

I accept under the old system the latter third of the season had it share of dead rubbers, but there were less frequent than now and usually occurred in September when the season was winding down. I also accept the league was put in hold when Down was doing well and that annoyed some. Indeed, I was in favour of the starred system for that reason, but I now believe we killed the goose that layed the golden egg.

If we want a strong Down team, lets start by having a strong league and championship, where every (or at least the majority) of games played are competitive and meaningfull.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kernan_is_King on July 01, 2015, 12:07:52 AM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on June 29, 2015, 11:06:09 PM
Very good points by PaulD, especially on attack and on passing and movement.
So what now folks - what is the answer? A clear-out of players, manager and county board staff?

Which a) is not going to happen and b) would cause another few years of hurt and no direction.

What pains me is that you are not seen to be a competent manager unless you ape the tactics of Jimmy McGuinness, and before him, Harte and McKernan. These managers, along with Fitzmaurice and Gavin have looked at the players available to them (including older players who couldn't commit) and came up with a system that worked for that team. You cannot compare the Tyrone, Armagh and Donegal teams of the last fifteen years. They were all different yet their style of play was thrown under the blanket defence tag. Forwards defending and vice versa has always been around - who remembers Ross Carr catching balls in his own penalty era, or Paul Higgins/DJ Kane scoring points?

Do not confuse a great Armagh manager with a mere Down player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on July 01, 2015, 01:08:06 PM
A mere 10 stone of difference should help us all distinguish between the pair  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on July 02, 2015, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: Blue Island on June 30, 2015, 11:26:41 PM
Quote from BarryBreensBandage

"I suppose I think that is why we are always left wringing our hands at poor Down performances. Alright we have to wait for our glory, but when it comes along it really is a game changer.
It was 23 years between 68 and 91; it is now 21 years since 94, with a glimmer of hope in 2010."

I think that is optimistic to say the least, In the 23 years between 68 and 91, we were at least contenders,challenging for Ulster titles and we were a force in the League in the eighties. In the 21 years since 94 we have not won an Ulster, or even really been fancied to win one.

I think there is something systematically wrong with Down football at the minute and I don't think our manager can take too much of the blame for the problems at the moment.

I would agree that he could have managed the older players better and invited some of them to join the squad in the spring. They had put years of service in for Down and I can't imagine any of the current squad begrudging these stalwarts a return to the team after their winter breaks. However, whilst it might have got us past Wexford, I think it would have papered over the cracks. Legend that Benny was and is, we saw from his last season with Down, that the best we could hope for was half a game at most. Ambrose is not nearly the player he was, because he has suffered injuries that would have ended many a career. We know Clarke has health problems. One would hope Dan could make a return, but he has a lot of commitments.

There are some good ideas being mentioned. The championship modelled on the Kerry system should be given another chance and more effort put in to make it work. We obviously need to work on youth development, but for me the most pressing change needs to be a return to the league and championship that existed up to the wins in 91 and 94.

The move back to a ten team division is welcome and about time, but we should get rid of the starred system and stick with the two up and two down. Championship should be a straight knock out. When you played a league match through the 80s and early 90s every match was crucial. A run of early loses and you were in serious bother. Each match was a real test and you always had your best 15 out on the field and other players improved playing against the county players. The atmosphere was better, the stakes higher and the matches far more competitive. In my opinion there are too many dead rubbers now and as a consequence of a poor league, we now don't produce the players we did, or at least not enough of them.

91 and 94 did not come out of nowhere. Some of the Burren lads would tell you some of the toughest games they had in their glory days were in Down. Pete McGrath was able to leave Bundy Mason and Shorty Trainor out of his squad and at various stages he he did not start Gerrard Deegan and Ciaran McCabe. That in itself gives an indication of the strength of Down football at the time.

I accept under the old system the latter third of the season had it share of dead rubbers, but there were less frequent than now and usually occurred in September when the season was winding down. I also accept the league was put in hold when Down was doing well and that annoyed some. Indeed, I was in favour of the starred system for that reason, but I now believe we killed the goose that layed the golden egg.

If we want a strong Down team, lets start by having a strong league and championship, where every (or at least the majority) of games played are competitive and meaningfull.
Divisions 1&2 are 12 team leagues next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 02, 2015, 10:19:37 PM
Quote from: wobbller on July 02, 2015, 07:39:09 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 17, 2015, 04:12:51 PM
We're hardly dying. We got into Div1.
Wexford here I come! Move on and forget
about the past!
Surprised there's been no comment on Danny Hughes's article in the Irish News. Doesn't miss in his assessment of where the failings are.
didnt see the article. in what areas does he feel the failings are? who comes in for criticism?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 02, 2015, 11:00:58 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 02, 2015, 10:19:37 PM
Quote from: wobbller on July 02, 2015, 07:39:09 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 17, 2015, 04:12:51 PM
We're hardly dying. We got into Div1.
Wexford here I come! Move on and forget
about the past!
Surprised there's been no comment on Danny Hughes's article in the Irish News. Doesn't miss in his assessment of where the failings are.
didnt see the article. in what areas does he feel the failings are? who comes in for criticism?
Inside back page of yesterday's paper
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 03, 2015, 08:15:34 AM
Can anyone post Danny's comments. Don't  have the paper from Wednesday but would be interesting reading.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on July 03, 2015, 08:31:13 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 03, 2015, 08:15:34 AM
Can anyone post Danny's comments. Don't  have the paper from Wednesday but would be interesting reading.

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2015/07/01/news/down-are-a-county-in-mourning-155423/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on July 03, 2015, 09:11:11 AM
very interesting reading in dannys piece. he is not a million miles away with this article!
on a separate note is there anyone out there not on the panel, excluding past players that the management set up might have missed or who could stake a claim for next years squad? paul grennan kilcoo? he certainly wouldn't be fearful of marking either of our midfielders from the previous few game's? sean dornan form my own club castlewellan? an exciting talent who loves to run at defenders, tall fast and has full of potential.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on July 03, 2015, 01:57:37 PM
Danny may have hit home on a few points but it isn't that long ago that all he done in his column was take a swipe at the previous management. If he is a player with previous county experience, which he thinks needs to be got more involved, then I would like to see in his column what he would do different. Lay out his plan for all to see. I am as much disheartened as anyone at the recent results but just complaining about it isn't going to fix things. Bringing in Ex county players to each of the age groups certainly is not the answer, in fact this in the past may have been part of the problem. Too often ex players were given these roles without any real significant management/coaching experience. Off course other ex players did serve their time and maybe deserved a shot at it.
I certainly don't have all the answers and maybe people reckon I'm talking through my hat but I really believe that Down will improve when club football in Down improves. Club football needs to be competitive at all times, county players need to be released far more often and championship needs to have that knockout edge to it. County footballers are wrapped up in cotton wool once the county training starts. Now that Down are out county players will play far more football in 3 months than they have in the last six which is what they need. Good hard matches to show they are consistently the best in Down or chances for others to show that they deserve a shot. County managers have far too much control over these lads, the club are completely forgotten about and training and challenge matches are not going to improve these footballers. Why not let them play away and if they are at a superior strength and level of fitness then they will stand out. County subs end up becoming completely disillusioned as they are getting even less competitive football than a club player and their performances suffer as a result.
My last point, and one which unfortunately I don't see changing, but clubs in Down need to start playing a better brand of attacking football. Most clubs are far too negative. So much so that the art of defending is dying a death and fast flowing attacking play is being replaced with the 13/2 formation and the ball being short passed up the field and nearly walked over the bar. How are players supposed to develop at underage if they are taught this negative football, this will be carried through into senior and remain with us to endure for years to come. Yes it might mean that teams get beat now and again which off course they wont like but why not test yourself toe to toe rather than 10 men crowding space so 6 men can't shoot. Football is becoming very hard to watch, attendances are falling, atmosphere is dying and skill levels are reducing. Is the fear of loosing to do with other benefactors eg paid managers, sponsors etc, maybe so!! Club football needs to be improved right across the board, proper coaches promoting traditional gameplans need appointed and the county board need to stop worrying about giving work to county players (some of who only turn up when it suits them) but to invest their time and effort into firstly not bowing down to county mangers dictatorships and secondly to put more emphasis on club football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 03, 2015, 02:50:02 PM
 Well put together piece of analysis there from downup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 03, 2015, 06:22:18 PM
Quote from: interested on July 03, 2015, 08:31:13 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 03, 2015, 08:15:34 AM
Can anyone post Danny's comments. Don't  have the paper from Wednesday but would be interesting reading.

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2015/07/01/news/down-are-a-county-in-mourning-155423/
thanks for the link.  Nearly a week on from Wexford park and it's depressing reading about the state of Down football. Danny would know more than most being involved in club and at county level,  guys like Danny need to be involved in the future of development squads.  Unfortunately we all know we will be having the same discussion this time next year, it's the Down way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 04, 2015, 10:26:13 AM
It has been a dark period for Down football, not for the first time, and it has been particularly depressing to read the posts demanding that  we sack the county board, the manager and most of the players without suggesting who might replace them. Some of the contributions have been much more thoughtful, and recognise that we are sadly a county with limited playing and probably more importantly financial resources. Reviewing our structures will be a long-term project but others have managed it and it is a question of establishing whether the will for change really exists.

Having said that, we should never be losing to a bottom league team in the championship. McCorry deserves full credit for achieving a promotion to D1 which very few thought was possible but he must also take responsibility for the Wexford performance.  There has been a lot of talk about players who were not included in his squad from the start, and that is a subject for another day, but it is hard to accept that we got the best return from those who were actually available to us.

Peter Turley did not feature at all in the championship, Madine appeared only briefly and Mallon left after it became clear after Croke Park that his likely role was as an unused sub. If these three capable and physically strong figures had been in central positions in Wexford, we might well have had a different result.

Instead, our skillful but light players were repeatedly brushed aside when Wexford pushed forward and we struggled badly when it came to line breaks at the other end. While positions switch rapidly in the course of every game, five of our six starting forwards noticeably lacked height and weight. Two or even three might have been sustainable but five non-ball winners was asking for trouble.

We have plenty to think about before a very tough league starts next February, but our biggest single concern is probably the lack of potential in our under-age teams of recent seasons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on July 05, 2015, 10:46:42 PM
After reading the last few posts and after the horror show and standard of football produced by Down this year has the GAA setup in Down been in a worse position? No county teams at any grade performing at any decent level. Football as poor as I have ever seen. No path / direction / focus provided from the anyone (from County Board level down). Poor Football across the county. Personal attacks on people. The minor manager (if it is) responding in kind....what the hell kind of set up is this? I know I don't have all the answers (who does) but the current set up is all wrong and I sure wish someone would grab the bull by the horns and give this county the shake it needs. Who or what that is I don't know but at the minute with the current set up we are heading no where. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 06, 2015, 07:45:41 AM
Samfever, Paul123, you fellas have genuinely lost the plot in a mire of self-importance if you actually believe it's incumbent of public figures to use anonymous message boards to discuss anything at all, let alone to help peddle rumours.

Catch a grip.


Ardtole, apologies for pushing you as a county board basher in an earlier post. Got a few wires crossed in the sea of rubbish that was being pouted on the board at that time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 06, 2015, 11:00:41 AM
Have posts from last night been removed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 06, 2015, 05:48:51 PM
Don't know why my post was deleted ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on July 06, 2015, 11:08:42 PM
Any thoughts on the pilot scheme Down are thinking of in relation to age group changes,going to be discussed st Thursday's County Board Meeting?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 07, 2015, 12:48:42 AM
Quote from: imagine on July 06, 2015, 11:08:42 PM
Any thoughts on the pilot scheme Down are thinking of in relation to age group changes,going to be discussed st Thursday's County Board Meeting?

First thought is what is the point of it? Genuinely. Why do they see this need for change?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on July 07, 2015, 08:26:09 AM
what type of changes are being proposed? personally don't think changing age groups will have any effect on anything at all. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 07, 2015, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 06, 2015, 07:45:41 AM
Samfever, Paul123, you fellas have genuinely lost the plot in a mire of self-importance if you actually believe it's incumbent of public figures to use anonymous message boards to discuss anything at all, let alone to help peddle rumours...

Don't think it is fair that my answer to this post keeps getting deleted when this post is allowed to have a go at me but i am not allowed to answer.

I'll try again:

I have never questioned the minor management or their contribution as I don't know enough about our minor players or minor football in the county.

I raised  a reasonable query which was deleted, But I object to this comment being left on the board without any context to judge it by. There was no self-importance in my post whatsoever.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 07, 2015, 04:02:00 PM
Back to sensible matters now,

What did anyone think of Benny's article in the Democrat. I certainly think he pulled no punches. Hard to see him playing any part in the county setup next year if Jim is still in charge given the pretty open criticism of him, even implying that the fact he isn't from Down is also an issue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on July 07, 2015, 08:48:55 PM
Why is Mc Corry still there. If he had any integrity he would at least resign and re-apply for post
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 07, 2015, 10:28:33 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on July 07, 2015, 08:48:55 PM
Why is Mc Corry still there. If he had any integrity he would at least resign and re-apply for post
McCorry did his job and unfortunately had a bad day at the Office against Wexford. Benny has retired and if he'd spend a bit more time on his supposed day job it may well help future generations of  Down Footballers. His weekly column is getting a bit tired and boring something the way Mickey Harte's column went.Stale.
    This talk of Dan,Ambrose and others may well keep the punters supping in his new venture but spare us please!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 07, 2015, 10:44:31 PM
Quote from: wobbller on July 07, 2015, 10:28:33 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on July 07, 2015, 08:48:55 PM
Why is Mc Corry still there. If he had any integrity he would at least resign and re-apply for post
McCorry did his job and unfortunately had a bad day at the Office against Wexford. Benny has retired and if he'd spend a bit more time on his supposed day job it may well help future generations of  Down Footballers. His weekly column is getting a bit tired and boring something the way Mickey Harte's column went.Stale.
    This talk of Dan,Ambrose and others may well keep the punters supping in his new venture but spare us please!
mccorry did his job??  marking him on his first year in charge, he'd be looking at a 4/10 at best. i still think most people in down would agree with most of what benny and danny hughes have had to say in recent weeks and maybe if benny, dan, ambrose and a few others hadnt have been cast aside so quickly maybe jim wouldnt have had that 'bad day at the office'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 07, 2015, 10:51:24 PM
Id have to agree with you there sheedy. If we had a young exciting bunch of footballers breaking through with minor and u21 success behind them I could see the justification behind his thinking but unfortunately thats not the case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 07, 2015, 10:58:44 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 07, 2015, 10:44:31 PM
Quote from: wobbller on July 07, 2015, 10:28:33 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on July 07, 2015, 08:48:55 PM
Why is Mc Corry still there. If he had any integrity he would at least resign and re-apply for post
McCorry did his job and unfortunately had a bad day at the Office against Wexford. Benny has retired and if he'd spend a bit more time on his supposed day job it may well help future generations of  Down Footballers. His weekly column is getting a bit tired and boring something the way Mickey Harte's column went.Stale.
    This talk of Dan,Ambrose and others may well keep the punters supping in his new venture but spare us please!
mccorry did his job??  marking him on his first year in charge, he'd be looking at a 4/10 at best. i still think most people in down would agree with most of what benny and danny hughes have had to say in recent weeks and maybe if benny, dan, ambrose and a few others hadnt have been cast aside so quickly maybe jim wouldnt have had that 'bad day at the office'.
Sure why don't we let the scribes Ben and Dan run the whole thing since they know so much of where we've gone wrong?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 07, 2015, 11:11:04 PM
Quote from: wobbller on July 07, 2015, 10:58:44 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 07, 2015, 10:44:31 PM
Quote from: wobbller on July 07, 2015, 10:28:33 PM
Quote from: Pangurban on July 07, 2015, 08:48:55 PM
Why is Mc Corry still there. If he had any integrity he would at least resign and re-apply for post
McCorry did his job and unfortunately had a bad day at the Office against Wexford. Benny has retired and if he'd spend a bit more time on his supposed day job it may well help future generations of  Down Footballers. His weekly column is getting a bit tired and boring something the way Mickey Harte's column went.Stale.
    This talk of Dan,Ambrose and others may well keep the punters supping in his new venture but spare us please!
mccorry did his job??  marking him on his first year in charge, he'd be looking at a 4/10 at best. i still think most people in down would agree with most of what benny and danny hughes have had to say in recent weeks and maybe if benny, dan, ambrose and a few others hadnt have been cast aside so quickly maybe jim wouldnt have had that 'bad day at the office'.
Sure why don't we let the scribes Ben and Dan run the whole thing since they know so much of where we've gone wrong?
I'm just guessing here but maybe they know more of what's going on than most of us on here. ;) The fact of the matter is that we've had a poor year and the management and the county board have to expect to come in for some criticism.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on July 07, 2015, 11:14:20 PM
Hows Benny and Danny get on in their coaching job with Cruppen? For two men with so much advice on all that's wrong in Down football you would think all that knowledge would be reaping better results.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 07, 2015, 11:28:30 PM
Quote from: gaamann on July 07, 2015, 11:14:20 PM
Hows Benny and Danny get on in their coaching job with Cruppen? For two men with so much advice on all that's wrong in Down football you would think all that knowledge would be reaping better results.

What do you know about Cruppen and their problems?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 07, 2015, 11:49:39 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on July 07, 2015, 11:28:30 PM
Quote from: gaamann on July 07, 2015, 11:14:20 PM
Hows Benny and Danny get on in their coaching job with Cruppen? For two men with so much advice on all that's wrong in Down football you would think all that knowledge would be reaping better results.

What do you know about Cruppen and their problems?
I'd say gaaman knows plenty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 08, 2015, 12:12:22 AM
Quote from: wobbller on July 07, 2015, 11:49:39 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on July 07, 2015, 11:28:30 PM
Quote from: gaamann on July 07, 2015, 11:14:20 PM
Hows Benny and Danny get on in their coaching job with Cruppen? For two men with so much advice on all that's wrong in Down football you would think all that knowledge would be reaping better results.

What do you know about Cruppen and their problems?
  I'd say gasman knows plenty.

Missing players such as John Magill,John McCullough,Caolan McCullough,Tombo Hughes,James Hughes,Barry Loughran,Mark Patton,Mark Rice,Decky Monaghan,Paul Keenan, Cathal O'Grady, Karl McVerry and Fiachra Bradley, jeez you could even throw in the Ferris brothers for various injuries/reasons and i'm sure there is more.

They cant bloody work miracles. 3 or 4 weeks ago they played a match with 8 minors starting, what would you expect Benny and Danny to do?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on July 08, 2015, 12:14:06 AM
About as much as Bennie and Danny by the looks of things.
Very easy spouting of in the papers they have a chance to prove themselves and their coaching strategy and arnt making a great job of it.People in glass houses......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 08, 2015, 12:23:35 AM
Quote from: gaamann on July 08, 2015, 12:14:06 AM
About as much as Bennie and Danny by the looks of things.
Very easy spouting of in the papers they have a chance to prove themselves and their coaching strategy and arnt making a great job of it.People in glass houses......

Like I said,that's 15 players they have had missing for various lengthy stretches of the season,even most are still missing.. They can't work wonders with a team that is a skeleton of what they have been this past couple of years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on July 08, 2015, 12:36:56 AM
Some of the players you have named have not played in 2 years sure every club could rhyme of 8 or 10 players that are unavailable to them.Forkhill were short 5 starters the night they beat them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 08, 2015, 02:18:41 AM
The only players that haven't played within the last 12 months are the ferris brothers.. 13 players that have made an appearance last season have little to no gametime this season. But yet your blaming Danny and Benny for their demise?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 08, 2015, 07:00:58 AM
I'm not a prime minister and I am sure if I was suddenly put in charge of a country I'd do a pretty poor job. So does that mean that I am incapable of observing that the Greek PM is doing a particularly poor job?

So what's this theory on Benny and Danny? Unless they are good managers themselves they are not capable of forming a valid opinion of when someone else has done a poor job of managing?

You don't have to be ale to do something yourself to know that someone else isn't doing it right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on July 08, 2015, 10:06:22 AM
PAULD123 Point I am trying to make is Benny and Danny are in management they haven't exactly set the world on fire to date with the results that the team they prepare have got.I don't think its helpful for 2 senior county players who haven't long left the squad to get involved in publicly slating players managers officials it smells of sour grapes and they should not use the newspapers they work for to wash their dirty linen.I have huge respect for both men as footballers but its unhelpful and disrespectful to go down the path they are going.Yes they are entitled to their opinion but just because you have a chance to stick the boot in doesn't mean you should.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on July 08, 2015, 10:18:33 AM
Quote from: gaamann on July 07, 2015, 11:14:20 PM
Hows Benny and Danny get on in their coaching job with Cruppen? For two men with so much advice on all that's wrong in Down football you would think all that knowledge would be reaping better results.
you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 08, 2015, 02:25:33 PM
Quote from: general_lee on July 08, 2015, 10:18:33 AM
Quote from: gaamann on July 07, 2015, 11:14:20 PM
Hows Benny and Danny get on in their coaching job with Cruppen? For two men with so much advice on all that's wrong in Down football you would think all that knowledge would be reaping better results.
you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear

Even more difficult when you choose to reject the silkier sow's ears that you were offered, because they couldn't commit to training from mid-December!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on July 08, 2015, 06:39:04 PM
Does anybody on here think jim done a good job this season and we can look forward to next season with any real hope
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on July 08, 2015, 06:47:30 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 08, 2015, 02:25:33 PM
Quote from: general_lee on July 08, 2015, 10:18:33 AM
Quote from: gaamann on July 07, 2015, 11:14:20 PM
Hows Benny and Danny get on in their coaching job with Cruppen? For two men with so much advice on all that's wrong in Down football you would think all that knowledge would be reaping better results.
you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear

Even more difficult when you choose to reject the silkier sow's ears that you were offered, because they couldn't commit to training from mid-December!
There had to be some rules and deadlines but Dec was a bit early.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on July 09, 2015, 09:09:09 AM
Jim done ok with the players he had. we over achieved IMO in getting promoted, the derry result wasn't the end of the world and could have went either way but the wexford game was ridiculous. we would have been better positioned for next year if we didn't get promoted as we would be playing teams of our own ability and would go some way to helping the rebuilding process. really think we will struggle next year. over all id give him a 5/10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 09, 2015, 12:19:10 PM
Quote from: superblues on July 08, 2015, 06:39:04 PM
Does anybody on here think jim done a good job this season and we can look forward to next season with any real hope

If you analyse it.
great to get promotion to Div 1 but i think we got there by being a lot fitter than some of the other teams in the league. We robbed Kildare at the death with 2 late goals, Galway tore us to shreads but we got the points at the end looking a fitter side. the big teams Roscommon and Meath brushed us a side. westmeath we demolished, Laois we struggled for large parts to pull away from them.
League final we never looked like winning.
Championship, Derry very poor 1st half, only played when we were reduced to 14 and could have won the game
Qualifier Wexford, a disgrace.
We will prob get destroyed in most of our league games next year, unless McCorry has some ultra defensive strategy planned, to be honest id rather get relegated than that sh1te.
We should not be losing to a team like Wexford and ive said it before about Down, are  they mentally prpared for games that they believe they only have to turn up for. Down can be beat by anybody, you only need to look at the qualifiers to work that out. McCorry chose to go without the experienced players and its bit him in the ass, be interesting to see what he goes with for next year. Personally i dont see any glimmer of hope but that comes from following Down for 30 odd years.
Still sickened by that result, laughing stock.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 09, 2015, 02:18:10 PM
Quote from: superblues on July 08, 2015, 06:39:04 PM
Does anybody on here think jim done a good job this season and we can look forward to next season with any real hope

No, it was a bad first season. not because of results nor because of the choice not to accommodate the mature players. It was a bad season because we did improve as a footballing product. Results are less important than a clear improvement of the team's overall play:

I would judge early tenure success by improvement in general play, rather than winning a few games by good luck. In short, after a season in charge, we were not a better team than before. We are not in a better position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on July 09, 2015, 06:55:10 PM
Six out of ten.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 10, 2015, 02:17:02 PM
Any word on the proposals for age changes??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 11, 2015, 10:02:12 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 10, 2015, 02:17:02 PM
Any word on the proposals for age changes??
the proposals for age changes were voted through. not sure what difference if any they will make. must have been promised a few quid from croke park to be part of the pilot scheme. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 11, 2015, 10:46:41 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 11, 2015, 10:02:12 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 10, 2015, 02:17:02 PM
Any word on the proposals for age changes??
the proposals for age changes were voted through. not sure what difference if any they will make. must have been promised a few quid from croke park to be part of the pilot scheme. ;)

Thought the same myself when I heard about them!

How do these new age groups operate come inter provincial club tournaments such as feile and minor club championships??

What is the issue they're meant to be solving?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on July 12, 2015, 01:24:14 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on September 19, 2014, 06:44:30 AM
Quote from: Pangurban on September 19, 2014, 02:18:46 AM
Wish the new Manager every success and support. However i cannot understand the enthusiasm for his appointment. His CV is not that impressive.Won County championships with teams that would probably have won under any Manager. No success in the wider arena of the Ulster Club Championship.No experience of County management. Hopefully he  may prove to be an excellent appointment, though i say that more in hope than expectation

I think you should get a copy of his CV and re-asses your statements.

His achievement in turning Kilcoo from rural also-rans into Ulster finalists is remarkable. And as for no success in Ulster - His team has beaten St Galls and Crossmaglen, both recent All-Ireland champions (and before last year, the only teams to win Ulster in a decade). How many mangers have beaten Cross in Ulster in the last 8 years. Two, and yep, McCorry is one of them.

Now that's not to mention getting Armagh to a National Football Laegue final (no county management experience!!!)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 12, 2015, 05:21:44 PM
Well done to Pete Mcgrath.  Delighted for him and Fermanagh. After the disgraceful way the Down county board treated pete he has proved he still has the know how for inter county management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 12, 2015, 05:44:45 PM
An unreal job with limited resources. He should be working within our county!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 12, 2015, 06:31:29 PM
judging by Twitter and Facebook, it looks like I'm the only person in Down who isn't completely and utterly blown away by Pete's season. Can I be the only person who recognises it as twice beating Antrim at home (the preferred draw for every county GAA manager), and beating a team at home who just got walloped by Sligo?

Honestly not trying to rubbish him here. Just a dose of reality is needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 12, 2015, 06:37:21 PM
Well done Pete
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 12, 2015, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 12, 2015, 06:31:29 PM
judging by Twitter and Facebook, it looks like I'm the only person in Down who isn't completely and utterly blown away by Pete's season. Can I be the only person who recognises it as twice beating Antrim at home (the preferred draw for every county GAA manager), and beating a team at home who just got walloped by Sligo?

Honestly not trying to rubbish him here. Just a dose of reality is needed.

Roscommon gave us a bit of a lesson in croke park a couple of months ago all the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 12, 2015, 07:33:30 PM
Quote from: ardtole on July 12, 2015, 07:23:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 12, 2015, 06:31:29 PM
judging by Twitter and Facebook, it looks like I'm the only person in Down who isn't completely and utterly blown away by Pete's season. Can I be the only person who recognises it as twice beating Antrim at home (the preferred draw for every county GAA manager), and beating a team at home who just got walloped by Sligo?

Honestly not trying to rubbish him here. Just a dose of reality is needed.

Roscommon gave us a bit of a lesson in croke park a couple of months ago all the same.

No doubt. Hence I'm not dismissing what he's done with Fermanagh. Just trying though to put some perspective on it. The gods of bowls and balls have been quite kind to him this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 12, 2015, 07:55:54 PM
You just have to go with ups and downs. Im not anti McCorry but if at the end of season review he still believes he was correct to go ahead without Coulter, Gordon etc, then that is stubborness in the extreme. People might think im mad, but if the older lads were treated differently and we had our best 15 available for championship, we could have had a decent shot at an ulster title. I didnt get the same buzz this year, knowing in my heart our strongest team wasnt on the pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 13, 2015, 01:31:46 PM
 Depressing to be back in Ireland from sunnier climes than this awful weather.  Well done to Pete McGrath but the Westmeath game will be a harder test. Will he return to Down Senior Footballers when/if McCorry gets axed or walks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on July 13, 2015, 08:54:47 PM
No chance of any of the three happening:
Mc Grath coming back
Mc Corry getting the axe
Mc Corry walking

I doubt we are stuck with what we have whether we like it or not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on July 13, 2015, 09:40:30 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on July 13, 2015, 08:54:47 PM
No chance of any of the three happening:
Mc Grath coming back
Mc Corry getting the axe
Mc Corry walking

I doubt we are stuck with what we have whether we like it or not.
My view is that none of these should happen but I think the 2nd option is a distinct possibility.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 14, 2015, 11:41:48 PM
McCorry could remove much of the pressure he is facing, and greatly improve our prospects for next season, if he signalled that he intends to take a more flexible attitude to the date when senior players return to training. We had an exceptionally fit side in the last league but it did us very little good when it came to the championship and it became clear that our squad was far too light.

While it was sadly always unlikely that Ambrose would have been fit enough to play county football this summer, and King was simply unavailable, there is a reasonable prospect that Benny and Dan could have come on board if they had been allowed join up in the spring. Benny has said as much in his newspaper column and a similar approach to Dan may well have worked.

Benny would probably have been used as an impact sub but Dan remains the best midfielder at our disposal.  If he together with physically strong players like Peter Turley, Madine and Mallon had been given starting roles, we would have been a much more serious proposition.  We now know that loading a team with fast skillful players who cannot win the ball does not work and we must learn the necessary lessons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on July 15, 2015, 08:21:15 AM
 I see Kenny Archer in the Irish News today has come out in support of Jim McCorry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on July 15, 2015, 10:57:43 PM
If our Co.Board had any wit they would be begging Pete to return, though whether he would after the shabby disgraceful way he was treated is another point. Continuing with Mc Corry is the road to nowhere
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on July 16, 2015, 08:35:16 AM
To be honest all the chat has been about treating the symptoms, not looking for a cure. No manager in the previous 20 years has been able to deliver a provincial or national title and that includes Pete McGrath (well aware of his exceptional record before that - also worth noting who Fermanagh have beaten this year as alluded to elsewhere by Wobbler). Similarly having Dan/Benny/M Clarke is a short term fix, one that couldn't in the past deliver the aforementioned titles (though momentum brought them very close in '10).

It is surely the underage structures that need looked at, I would be of the opinion that the talent needs to be developed through minor to U21 which can then translate in to the senior team, we seen from the minor teams of 99 & 05 the small number that will filter through to the seniors and as such need a greater volume of successful teams under the seniors. I do not have any solutions, just believe the knee jerk reactions of 'sack the manager' are only diverting attention from where we should be looking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 16, 2015, 08:45:37 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on July 16, 2015, 08:35:16 AM

It is surely the underage structures that need looked at, I would be of the opinion that the talent needs to be developed through minor to U21 which can then translate in to the senior team, we seen from the minor teams of 99 & 05 the small number that will filter through to the seniors and as such need a greater volume of successful teams under the seniors. I do not have any solutions, just believe the knee jerk reactions of 'sack the manager' are only diverting attention from where we should be looking.

Does anyone think that the new underage groupings will be a hindrance to minor, U21 managers as they won't be able to see who's competing well at these respective age groups as we're moving to U17, U19, etc etc?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 16, 2015, 10:55:09 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 16, 2015, 08:45:37 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on July 16, 2015, 08:35:16 AM

It is surely the underage structures that need looked at, I would be of the opinion that the talent needs to be developed through minor to U21 which can then translate in to the senior team, we seen from the minor teams of 99 & 05 the small number that will filter through to the seniors and as such need a greater volume of successful teams under the seniors. I do not have any solutions, just believe the knee jerk reactions of 'sack the manager' are only diverting attention from where we should be looking.

Does anyone think that the new underage groupings will be a hindrance to minor, U21 managers as they won't be able to see who's competing well at these respective age groups as we're moving to U17, U19, etc etc?

The U-19 grade will be a disaster. There are going to be lads at first year at Uni who could be playing and training with the Freshers. Factor in playing and training with their club senior team plus the expectation on some to play reserve football plus the playing and training with their own U-19 grade. God help then the player who has county U-21 commitments too.

This seemed to be voted in quite overwhelmingly by county board reps. I genuinely think a lot of these reps just vote on their own bat. I doubt many of them actually canvass their club committee on these issues. If there was any sort of meaningful discussion in the clubs then this pilot scheme would never have been passed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 16, 2015, 02:06:09 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 16, 2015, 10:55:09 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 16, 2015, 08:45:37 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on July 16, 2015, 08:35:16 AM

It is surely the underage structures that need looked at, I would be of the opinion that the talent needs to be developed through minor to U21 which can then translate in to the senior team, we seen from the minor teams of 99 & 05 the small number that will filter through to the seniors and as such need a greater volume of successful teams under the seniors. I do not have any solutions, just believe the knee jerk reactions of 'sack the manager' are only diverting attention from where we should be looking.

Does anyone think that the new underage groupings will be a hindrance to minor, U21 managers as they won't be able to see who's competing well at these respective age groups as we're moving to U17, U19, etc etc?

The U-19 grade will be a disaster. There are going to be lads at first year at Uni who could be playing and training with the Freshers. Factor in playing and training with their club senior team plus the expectation on some to play reserve football plus the playing and training with their own U-19 grade. God help then the player who has county U-21 commitments too.

This seemed to be voted in quite overwhelmingly by county board reps. I genuinely think a lot of these reps just vote on their own bat. I doubt many of them actually canvass their club committee on these issues. If there was any sort of meaningful discussion in the clubs then this pilot scheme would never have been passed.

This was my main point when opposing this at club level. We only have 11 minor teams in the all county league this season, this won't improve for u19s, in fact in will most likely decrease.in the Bridge we rely on our under 16s to backfill our minor squad and we would have some of the largest numbers in Down!  I can't see how this will improve our footballers in the county but I hope I am proved wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on July 16, 2015, 02:08:03 PM
Not sure about the pilot scheme for underage. It is good in principal with the aim being to reduce the drop out between minor and senior football.  I think something has to be tried for that and previous suggestions were to make the u21 grade more prominent.  This is a different way of doing it.
As Down Fanatic above said though there will be issues for university goers, whether they play freshers or not. Just getting home for training/games will be an issue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on July 16, 2015, 02:31:40 PM
Does this new league system mean that the u20/u21 championship is finished with?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 16, 2015, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on July 16, 2015, 02:08:03 PM
Not sure about the pilot scheme for underage. It is good in principal with the aim being to reduce the drop out between minor and senior football.  I think something has to be tried for that and previous suggestions were to make the u21 grade more prominent.  This is a different way of doing it.
As Down Fanatic above said though there will be issues for university goers, whether they play freshers or not. Just getting home for training/games will be an issue.

I'm not sure what advantage can be gained by changing it by exactly a calendar year.

The odd thing about underage football has always been that it doesn't correlate with school years. Two players of equal ability, one born on 31 December, the other on 1 January have very different opportunities in their juvenile football careers. The player a day older has to work an awful lot harder to get recognised at county level, and then has to hit the ground running at senior football when still at school. The player a day younger has a guaranteed year of football right up through he leaves school; and that summer when he finally gains freedom from exams, parents etc, he'll still definitely be playing competitive football. 

So if this under-19 proposal is actually more like under-18 and a half, with the cut off date the same as the school year (1 July) then I'm all for it. If not, I really can't see what problems it's going to solve. As mentioned above, the inverse problems would begin, whereby the lad born on 31 December won't be pressurised to travel home from university during his freshman year for training and matches, but the lad born on 1 January will be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on July 16, 2015, 03:15:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 16, 2015, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on July 16, 2015, 02:08:03 PM
Not sure about the pilot scheme for underage. It is good in principal with the aim being to reduce the drop out between minor and senior football.  I think something has to be tried for that and previous suggestions were to make the u21 grade more prominent.  This is a different way of doing it.
As Down Fanatic above said though there will be issues for university goers, whether they play freshers or not. Just getting home for training/games will be an issue.

I'm not sure what advantage can be gained by changing it by exactly a calendar year.

The odd thing about underage football has always been that it doesn't correlate with school years. Two players of equal ability, one born on 31 December, the other on 1 January have very different opportunities in their juvenile football careers. The player a day older has to work an awful lot harder to get recognised at county level, and then has to hit the ground running at senior football when still at school. The player a day younger has a guaranteed year of football right up through he leaves school; and that summer when he finally gains freedom from exams, parents etc, he'll still definitely be playing competitive football. 

So if this under-19 proposal is actually more like under-18 and a half, with the cut off date the same as the school year (1 July) then I'm all for it. If not, I really can't see what problems it's going to solve. As mentioned above, the inverse problems would begin, whereby the lad born on 31 December won't be pressurised to travel home from university during his freshman year for training and matches, but the lad born on 1 January will be.

The advantage is that you keep a batch of players continuing to play for the club for another year.  A year which traditionally sees a large drop off in player numbers as a lot of young fellas arent just ready for seniors but are too old for minors.  I know your seconds are geared for that but realistically reserve football just doesnt cut it.  Does it just push the drop off problem back another year - wont know that until we see what happens.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 16, 2015, 03:48:23 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on July 16, 2015, 03:15:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 16, 2015, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on July 16, 2015, 02:08:03 PM
Not sure about the pilot scheme for underage. It is good in principal with the aim being to reduce the drop out between minor and senior football.  I think something has to be tried for that and previous suggestions were to make the u21 grade more prominent.  This is a different way of doing it.
As Down Fanatic above said though there will be issues for university goers, whether they play freshers or not. Just getting home for training/games will be an issue.

I'm not sure what advantage can be gained by changing it by exactly a calendar year.

The odd thing about underage football has always been that it doesn't correlate with school years. Two players of equal ability, one born on 31 December, the other on 1 January have very different opportunities in their juvenile football careers. The player a day older has to work an awful lot harder to get recognised at county level, and then has to hit the ground running at senior football when still at school. The player a day younger has a guaranteed year of football right up through he leaves school; and that summer when he finally gains freedom from exams, parents etc, he'll still definitely be playing competitive football. 

So if this under-19 proposal is actually more like under-18 and a half, with the cut off date the same as the school year (1 July) then I'm all for it. If not, I really can't see what problems it's going to solve. As mentioned above, the inverse problems would begin, whereby the lad born on 31 December won't be pressurised to travel home from university during his freshman year for training and matches, but the lad born on 1 January will be.

The advantage is that you keep a batch of players continuing to play for the club for another year.  A year which traditionally sees a large drop off in player numbers as a lot of young fellas arent just ready for seniors but are too old for minors.  I know your seconds are geared for that but realistically reserve football just doesnt cut it.  Does it just push the drop off problem back another year - wont know that until we see what happens.

Take a typical U-19 in 2016. He may quite possibly have to mix and match and contend with the following schedule at different times of the year:

U-19 match and training (2 nights)
Reserve match (1 night)
Senior match and training (3 nights)

Then if he happens to be a handy enough player:

Potential Fresher activity (1/2 nights)
Potential inter county activity (2/3 nights)

There is a disparity between junior and senior clubs in terms of bringing players through from minors. I'm from a junior club and on average each year we have 5/6 minors. We generally get the majority of them through to senior because due to low numbers etc in small clubs there are more opportunities for getting a crack at senior football and the players themselves know this so that's why they stick around.
In an average senior club you might have 14/15 minors coming through but only a handful will progress to senior and stick at it as there are more numbers to compete with and more competition. The immediate provision of senior football just isn't there unless you are one of the more standout players.
In junior clubs too you will find that most minors are on the senior panel. This usually isn't the case with senior clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on July 16, 2015, 05:29:45 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on July 16, 2015, 03:48:23 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on July 16, 2015, 03:15:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 16, 2015, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on July 16, 2015, 02:08:03 PM
Not sure about the pilot scheme for underage. It is good in principal with the aim being to reduce the drop out between minor and senior football.  I think something has to be tried for that and previous suggestions were to make the u21 grade more prominent.  This is a different way of doing it.
As Down Fanatic above said though there will be issues for university goers, whether they play freshers or not. Just getting home for training/games will be an issue.

I'm not sure what advantage can be gained by changing it by exactly a calendar year.

The odd thing about underage football has always been that it doesn't correlate with school years. Two players of equal ability, one born on 31 December, the other on 1 January have very different opportunities in their juvenile football careers. The player a day older has to work an awful lot harder to get recognised at county level, and then has to hit the ground running at senior football when still at school. The player a day younger has a guaranteed year of football right up through he leaves school; and that summer when he finally gains freedom from exams, parents etc, he'll still definitely be playing competitive football. 

So if this under-19 proposal is actually more like under-18 and a half, with the cut off date the same as the school year (1 July) then I'm all for it. If not, I really can't see what problems it's going to solve. As mentioned above, the inverse problems would begin, whereby the lad born on 31 December won't be pressurised to travel home from university during his freshman year for training and matches, but the lad born on 1 January will be.

The advantage is that you keep a batch of players continuing to play for the club for another year.  A year which traditionally sees a large drop off in player numbers as a lot of young fellas arent just ready for seniors but are too old for minors.  I know your seconds are geared for that but realistically reserve football just doesnt cut it.  Does it just push the drop off problem back another year - wont know that until we see what happens.

Take a typical U-19 in 2016. He may quite possibly have to mix and match and contend with the following schedule at different times of the year:

U-19 match and training (2 nights)
Reserve match (1 night)
Senior match and training (3 nights)

Then if he happens to be a handy enough player:

Potential Fresher activity (1/2 nights)
Potential inter county activity (2/3 nights)

There is a disparity between junior and senior clubs in terms of bringing players through from minors. I'm from a junior club and on average each year we have 5/6 minors. We generally get the majority of them through to senior because due to low numbers etc in small clubs there are more opportunities for getting a crack at senior football and the players themselves know this so that's why they stick around.
In an average senior club you might have 14/15 minors coming through but only a handful will progress to senior and stick at it as there are more numbers to compete with and more competition. The immediate provision of senior football just isn't there unless you are one of the more standout players.
In junior clubs too you will find that most minors are on the senior panel. This usually isn't the case with senior clubs.
Don't forget the dual players who may play u19 and senior hurling. Not many nights left in the week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 16, 2015, 05:49:51 PM
Next season, you will see really good 17 year olds playing under 17/19 and senior/reserve games every week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 17, 2015, 08:22:01 AM
 Do I detect a hint of regret in Ben's column in the Democrat this week? Seems to be half apologising for his attack on Jim McCorry in the previous edition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 17, 2015, 10:42:49 AM
Quote from: imagine on July 16, 2015, 08:06:34 PM
I think it could be good for the picking of a Minor panel the following year in
that the selectors can look clearly at these U17 games and know that generally anyone playing is eligible for Minor County the following season whereas in the current Format trying to pick out U17's in the Minor competitions of this year makes it difficult with U18's being over age for Minors the following season.

That's if you've the county minor, U21 management in place the previous year, which isn't always the case and even then what about lads who maybe weren't prominent in U17 the previous year, but are going well at U19, but still eligible for minor?

If there's an issue with drop out at minor, then maybe we're only moving that issue on a year or potentially bringing it forward a year.

I suppose we'll have it for three years and see what happens.

I'd still like to see the Primary school ages revert back to P3, P5 and P7 rather than the calendar years as we've found its better in keeping young lads involved as their school friends are going along, especially ones with July to Dec birthdays. I think we got four or five youngsters back hurling because of this.

Still no answer from anyone on how underage club competitions will be decided? Minor club championships, Feile and I even think theres an U16 club football one run somewhere in Tyrone IIRC.

We also play teams in North Antrim and Belfast blitzes, so we'll have very different teams lining out there than we will have in Down!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on July 17, 2015, 11:02:36 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 16, 2015, 05:49:51 PM
Next season, you will see really good 17 year olds playing under 17/19 and senior/reserve games every week.

No you wont. If you are under 17, you cant play adult football. Also county minors are not allowed to play adult football until the county are out from now on too.  Measures are being put in place to ease the burden (or restrict the opportunity as I would have seen it)!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 17, 2015, 01:40:16 PM
Hoganstand reporting the below
Jim McCorry's future as Down football manager is set to be decided at a meeting on Monday night.

The Irish News is reporting that clubs have been summoned to attend the meeting in Newcastle which will also discuss the U21 and minor management set-ups. Depending on the turnout, a vote could be taken on McCorry's position.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 17, 2015, 01:53:30 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on July 17, 2015, 11:02:36 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 16, 2015, 05:49:51 PM
Next season, you will see really good 17 year olds playing under 17/19 and senior/reserve games every week.

No you wont. If you are under 17, you cant play adult football. Also county minors are not allowed to play adult football until the county are out from now on too.  Measures are being put in place to ease the burden (or restrict the opportunity as I would have seen it)!!

I presume that U17's can't play adult is a new rule brought in with the age groups??

That minor one won't work with the hurlers as IMO its beneficial for these lads to be playing adult club hurling due to the serious lack of club minor fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on July 17, 2015, 02:10:02 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 17, 2015, 01:53:30 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on July 17, 2015, 11:02:36 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 16, 2015, 05:49:51 PM
Next season, you will see really good 17 year olds playing under 17/19 and senior/reserve games every week.

No you wont. If you are under 17, you cant play adult football. Also county minors are not allowed to play adult football until the county are out from now on too.  Measures are being put in place to ease the burden (or restrict the opportunity as I would have seen it)!!

I presume that U17's can't play adult is a new rule brought in with the age groups??

No it is in at present.  You can only play adult football if you are in your second year at minor level, therefore, under 17's cannot play.  The county minor is a new one coming into play next year.

That minor one won't work with the hurlers as IMO its beneficial for these lads to be playing adult club hurling due to the serious lack of club minor fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 17, 2015, 04:22:52 PM
Currently U17's can play Senior
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on July 17, 2015, 06:31:28 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 17, 2015, 01:53:30 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on July 17, 2015, 11:02:36 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on July 16, 2015, 05:49:51 PM
Next season, you will see really good 17 year olds playing under 17/19 and senior/reserve games every week.

No you wont. If you are under 17, you cant play adult football. Also county minors are not allowed to play adult football until the county are out from now on too.  Measures are being put in place to ease the burden (or restrict the opportunity as I would have seen it)!!
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I presume that U17's can't play adult is a new rule brought in with the age groups??

That minor one won't work with the hurlers as IMO its beneficial for these lads to be playing adult club hurling due to the serious lack of club minor fixtures.

If lads in their last year of county minor football or hurling panels cannot play for their club senior or reserve teams the pressure will be on to leave the panel to get games. In hurling especially teams may struggle to field if they have several players on the county minor panel as u17 cannot play. The burnout myth is going the come back and bite us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on July 18, 2015, 05:18:23 PM
These changes won't work - simple.
Couldn't understand something like 37 clubs voting for it either.
Crazy. It will be like the adult leagues - revert back in a few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 18, 2015, 06:43:46 PM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on July 18, 2015, 05:18:23 PM
These changes won't work - simple.
Couldn't understand something like 37 clubs voting for it either.
Crazy. It will be like the adult leagues - revert back in a few years.

Three year pilot scheme IIRC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on July 20, 2015, 10:55:51 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 17, 2015, 01:40:16 PM
Hoganstand reporting the below
Jim McCorry's future as Down football manager is set to be decided at a meeting on Monday night.

The Irish News is reporting that clubs have been summoned to attend the meeting in Newcastle which will also discuss the U21 and minor management set-ups. Depending on the turnout, a vote could be taken on McCorry's position.
MCCorry survived by a slender margin while Shane Mulholland got a single vote supporting his retention. The powers-that-be recommended both be stood down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on July 20, 2015, 11:08:12 PM
Havent been on in a while
Can anyone confirm to me that if a player is still u17 he cant play senior football like it is this year with u16 or has it changed???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 20, 2015, 11:21:44 PM
Quote from: SamFever on July 20, 2015, 10:55:51 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 17, 2015, 01:40:16 PM
Hoganstand reporting the below
Jim McCorry's future as Down football manager is set to be decided at a meeting on Monday night.

The Irish News is reporting that clubs have been summoned to attend the meeting in Newcastle which will also discuss the U21 and minor management set-ups. Depending on the turnout, a vote could be taken on McCorry's position.
MCCorry survived by a slender margin while Shane Mulholland got a single vote supporting his retention. The powers-that-be recommended both be stood down.
good to see everyone is united and pulling in the same direction, bodes well for 2016. Somehow I think we'll be back here in 12 months having another inquest. Hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 20, 2015, 11:42:32 PM
Anyone know how close the vote was? Seemd thevBoard wanted rid of both and the rest agreed for Mulholland but went against them to keep McCorry. Hardly good for McCorry now that he knows the bosses didn't want him to continue. If I were him I'd walk under this scenario.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 21, 2015, 07:36:55 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 30, 2014, 04:32:15 PM
Well done to the Point- a much needed boost for Down football- first provincial men's football title since when ?

As for the County panel goings on, it's a hard one to call. Mc Corry will be his own man and most successful managers have to be single minded- we didn't put him into that job to be a consensus builder but rather to get results. I can see why he would want to put his stamp on things as he will be virtually unsackable for probably the first two years so can afford to lay down the law with experienced players. However, I don't think we can do without some of these men . Dan Gordon is one of the best ever Down footballers who doesn't have either an All Ireland or an All Star. Kalum King does the important things well and brings physical presence to a relatively small team. Dan Mc Cartan is still one of our better defenders. Marty Clarke is a supreme talent in a squad of mediocrity. I accept injuries have taken their toll on Ambrose but, when fit, he the complete footballer. Liam Doyle has had no luck with injuries so probably is time to quit and enough has been said about Benny.
My view is that there must be a way to accommodate at least half of these men otherwise it will be a tough 2015.
My opinion hasn't changed since November but I think the delegates were right to give McCorry another year. I am surprised that the executive wanted him out; doesn't say a lot about their integrity given that they put him in and, against all the odds, he got us into the first division. Clearly the executive only care about the championship.
We can't have a lame duck manager so the county board must give him unequivocal support or rosskarr's scenario will come to pass.
Just so that we're clear where we are;
Ulster Championship; We lose to Derry, who lose to Donegal, who lose to Monaghan.
Qualifiers; we lose to Wexford, who lose to Derry, who lose to Galway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on July 21, 2015, 07:39:13 AM
Looks like Courtney got what he wanted with the minor management
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 21, 2015, 09:48:38 AM
Does he have the support of the players?
will he make them commit again in october November? Will he bring the experienced guys back to the fold?
The league is going to be really really tough, all big teams in Div 1 and we seen against an average roscommon and Meath last year what they could do to Down.
Its highly possible we will lose all games if we start with the same group of players and no real system like this year.
Like others if he doesnt have the full support then he should walk, but sure he is getting paid to do a job so i cant see him walking.

Minor management change is no shock. who would be favourite for that? would Cathal Murray be in the running?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 21, 2015, 10:03:42 AM
McCorry has the support of the players and that is the main thing. Everything else is peripheral, heresay and noise. Let them get on with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on July 21, 2015, 10:20:40 AM
How do u no he has the support of the players surly the clubs that voted no would of ask any players involved What they thought
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 21, 2015, 11:44:36 AM
Do you really think the club's asked their players? I'd say most players don't even know who their county board rep is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on July 21, 2015, 11:49:30 AM
Not only that, does each clubs County board rep speak for the opinion of the majority of those on every clubs committees? You can be rest assured that the opinions of those on the committees of every club in down were not represented at that vote last night in Newcastle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superblues on July 21, 2015, 12:14:05 PM
Surly every club would of had a meeting to decide which way to vote and spoke to players involved would that not be the right thing to do . And supersub you still never said how you know the players are behind him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 21, 2015, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: superblues on July 21, 2015, 12:14:05 PM
Surly every club would of had a meeting to decide which way to vote and spoke to players involved would that not be the right thing to do . And supersub you still never said how you know the players are behind him
The last County board meeting was on July 9th so I would think there wouldn't have been too many meetings within Clubs over the 12th July holiday period.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on July 21, 2015, 01:46:48 PM
Never mind the who's supporting who in all of this but we're once more the laughing stock of the GAA world.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 21, 2015, 02:31:46 PM
Quote from: superblues on July 21, 2015, 12:14:05 PM
Surly every club would of had a meeting to decide which way to vote and spoke to players involved would that not be the right thing to do . And supersub you still never said how you know the players are behind him

Again, do you really think every club did this? Of course it is the right thing to do, but I highly doubt this was carried out, especially as mentioned the short space of time between the two County meetings. And yes you are correct, I did not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 21, 2015, 02:36:51 PM
Quote from: superblues on July 21, 2015, 12:14:05 PM
Surly every club would of had a meeting to decide which way to vote and spoke to players involved would that not be the right thing to do . And supersub you still never said how you know the players are behind him

He doesnt, at best he is surmising...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on July 21, 2015, 02:57:39 PM
Steven Poacher
Wouldn't normally take to facebook for a statement like this but I think it's important people in the Down Gaa circles know the truth about what's going on in our county behind the scenes. First of all the decision to get rid of Shane Mulholland as Down minor manager last night was nothing short of disgraceful, iv been involved in coaching with the county since 06/07, development squads since 06/07 on + off until last yr and U21s from 2010-2012 and I have not seen one county coach / minor manager as proactive as Shane was in trying to change the structure, mindset of the clubs and more importantly the mindset and attitude of the players towards the development squads but there was so many barriers/obstacles placed in his way due to the major under investment and lack of desire / energy of those responsible to make a change. So instead of keeping a vibrant young manager (who is one of the best iv ever worked with) bleeds Down football, is a Down man true and true and in all the management teams U21, Senior or Minor was the only one being proactive towards our much needed and urgent rebuilding task from the bottom up, what we do is get rid of him. In 15 years of teaching PE, only one county minor manager has ever consulted regularly with the heads of PE (probably know the young players in the county more than anyone) that was Shane. I'd like the county board to provide the Down gaa public with clear reasoning behind their decision, the minors lost to Derry away led with 15minurtes to go and were hit by two fortuitous goals in a minute which swung the game, Derry then went on to win an Ulster title and will be potentially All Ireland champions. If the decision is based on results alone then both our Senior and U21 management teams should be relieved of their duties also, seniors lost 3 knockout games and the U21s lost theirs comfortably. I'd also like those responsible with the development process within the county to show us the blue print their all working too, where is the action plans? Are coaches providing session plans before taking these development squad sessions? Who is evaluating and reviewing these development squad sessions? I think we v accepted these decisions in the past and just rolled our eyes, well this for me has been one of the worse in recent times. There are a lot of great people associated with Down Gaa past or present through administration, playing, coaching or supporting, think it's time you made yourselves heard and started to question publically last night's shocking decision. Enough is Enough for me.

Those are Stephen Poachers comments on the issue according to his facebook account. A lot of truth in what he is saying i fear!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 21, 2015, 03:45:38 PM
For a teacher, his grasp of the English language is phenomenal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on July 21, 2015, 05:55:51 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on July 21, 2015, 02:57:39 PM
Steven Poacher
Wouldn't normally take to facebook for a statement like this but I think it's important people in the Down Gaa circles know the truth about what's going on in our county behind the scenes. First of all the decision to get rid of Shane Mulholland as Down minor manager last night was nothing short of disgraceful, iv been involved in coaching with the county since 06/07, development squads since 06/07 on + off until last yr and U21s from 2010-2012 and I have not seen one county coach / minor manager as proactive as Shane was in trying to change the structure, mindset of the clubs and more importantly the mindset and attitude of the players towards the development squads but there was so many barriers/obstacles placed in his way due to the major under investment and lack of desire / energy of those responsible to make a change. So instead of keeping a vibrant young manager (who is one of the best iv ever worked with) bleeds Down football, is a Down man true and true and in all the management teams U21, Senior or Minor was the only one being proactive towards our much needed and urgent rebuilding task from the bottom up, what we do is get rid of him. In 15 years of teaching PE, only one county minor manager has ever consulted regularly with the heads of PE (probably know the young players in the county more than anyone) that was Shane. I'd like the county board to provide the Down gaa public with clear reasoning behind their decision, the minors lost to Derry away led with 15minurtes to go and were hit by two fortuitous goals in a minute which swung the game, Derry then went on to win an Ulster title and will be potentially All Ireland champions. If the decision is based on results alone then both our Senior and U21 management teams should be relieved of their duties also, seniors lost 3 knockout games and the U21s lost theirs comfortably. I'd also like those responsible with the development process within the county to show us the blue print their all working too, where is the action plans? Are coaches providing session plans before taking these development squad sessions? Who is evaluating and reviewing these development squad sessions? I think we v accepted these decisions in the past and just rolled our eyes, well this for me has been one of the worse in recent times. There are a lot of great people associated with Down Gaa past or present through administration, playing, coaching or supporting, think it's time you made yourselves heard and started to question publically last night's shocking decision. Enough is Enough for me.

Those are Stephen Poachers comments on the issue according to his facebook account. A lot of truth in what he is saying i fear!!!

This takes a while to digest.....

So Stephen worked with development squads for a period of time - did he ever provide session plans before taking sessions, were his ever reviewed or evaluated?  Cop yourself on.  this is not teaching where plans and schemes are required.  It is usually anyone they can find to take the development squads after everyone else runs them down and gives out about them - but don't put their names forward to take them.
How can he back Mulhollands record?  2 seasons and 2 defeats in championship football.  the league is a different scenario at county minor level as if your school is enjoying success in the later stages of Hogan/Mc Crory football - you will be without key individuals.  the league can not really be seen as development as when the "college lads" come back - there are always changes to the minor panels. 
Shane Mulholland may be a nice lad of that I have no doubt - but bleeds down football?? Really...
Whilst last year he did make a sustained effort with the development squads - this year there was not much happening.  I realise he was very busy preparing and getting ready for the minor championship - but to not turn up at any development squads sessions doesn't strike me as someone who bleeds down football.  All 3 squads training in the same complex this year was a great idea and this allowed us mere parents to see exactly who was at sessions and who was not.  It also allowed us to see the squad coaches in action taking sessions and setting out drills and games etc.  I have to say I really enjoyed watching the different sessions and my lad who is u16 really got a buzz out of attending the sessions. the coaches were very professional in their approach and ran the sessions to the absolute best of their ability.  At the end of each session I make it a ritual to thank them for their continued efforts with the underage of the county.  They have sustained the effort and sessions throughout the year and have upcoming sessions this weekend again.  I hope this structure and indeed most if not all the coaches can be kept on board for next season.  I will probably be in a better position to judge where my lad has improved next year - but as long as he enjoys it and returns to the car with a smile on his face after the sessions - I cant ask for any more.

Why should the senior and u21 management teams be relieved of their duties?  This was their first year.. Stephen was with the U21s for 3 seasons and would have been asking questions had he been relieved of his duties after year 1 when they were beaten... If this time next year we are in a position where no improvement has happened - then yes it needs a major review.  But at least give them a reasonable chance to do something.  The league next year (div 1) is going to be tough - we all understand that.  Lets hope Jim can get a few players in after the club championship and blood them in the league an ready them for championship.  the u21s will hopefully get it right next year as well. 

No need for all the negativity - we are where we are and slating people is not going to solve anything.  Lets get back on board Stephen - who knows - you could be the Minor manager in waiting.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 21, 2015, 06:57:26 PM
Mulholland got the sack because in two years he won a total of zero knockout games in league or championship. U21 and senior management currently can boast of half that record, I highly doubt they will be reinstated if they double the feat next year. That is the difference between the handling of senior/U21/minor management.


And to go with what Brick Tamlin said, God help anyone who has their PE coursework marked by Poacher.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nailer on July 21, 2015, 07:45:11 PM
I agree Mc Corry should be given another year, however it is worrying that we had to wait until Wexford dumped us out of the qualifiers before we knew what the goals were for the team. Did the county officers that appointed him not discuss and agree goals at the outset? If they did why were goals not set for the championship? Were the players told that promotion to Div 1 was the only goal this year?
Mc Corry made mistakes this year as did all managers but he needs to accept that and make the necessary changes to ensure our best players line out for Down which clearly did not happen this year.
What are reasonable goals for next year for our senior footballers?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on July 21, 2015, 09:36:48 PM
Quote from: interested on July 21, 2015, 09:09:24 PM
Quote from: pauly2 on July 21, 2015, 05:55:51 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on July 21, 2015, 02:57:39 PM
Steven Poacher
Wouldn't normally take to facebook for a statement like this but I think it's important people in the Down Gaa circles know the truth about what's going on in our county behind the scenes. First of all the decision to get rid of Shane Mulholland as Down minor manager last night was nothing short of disgraceful, iv been involved in coaching with the county since 06/07, development squads since 06/07 on + off until last yr and U21s from 2010-2012 and I have not seen one county coach / minor manager as proactive as Shane was in trying to change the structure, mindset of the clubs and more importantly the mindset and attitude of the players towards the development squads but there was so many barriers/obstacles placed in his way due to the major under investment and lack of desire / energy of those responsible to make a change. So instead of keeping a vibrant young manager (who is one of the best iv ever worked with) bleeds Down football, is a Down man true and true and in all the management teams U21, Senior or Minor was the only one being proactive towards our much needed and urgent rebuilding task from the bottom up, what we do is get rid of him. In 15 years of teaching PE, only one county minor manager has ever consulted regularly with the heads of PE (probably know the young players in the county more than anyone) that was Shane. I'd like the county board to provide the Down gaa public with clear reasoning behind their decision, the minors lost to Derry away led with 15minurtes to go and were hit by two fortuitous goals in a minute which swung the game, Derry then went on to win an Ulster title and will be potentially All Ireland champions. If the decision is based on results alone then both our Senior and U21 management teams should be relieved of their duties also, seniors lost 3 knockout games and the U21s lost theirs comfortably. I'd also like those responsible with the development process within the county to show us the blue print their all working too, where is the action plans? Are coaches providing session plans before taking these development squad sessions? Who is evaluating and reviewing these development squad sessions? I think we v accepted these decisions in the past and just rolled our eyes, well this for me has been one of the worse in recent times. There are a lot of great people associated with Down Gaa past or present through administration, playing, coaching or supporting, think it's time you made yourselves heard and started to question publically last night's shocking decision. Enough is Enough for me.

Those are Stephen Poachers comments on the issue according to his facebook account. A lot of truth in what he is saying i fear!!!

This takes a while to digest.....

So Stephen worked with development squads for a period of time - did he ever provide session plans before taking sessions, were his ever reviewed or evaluated?  Cop yourself on.  this is not teaching where plans and schemes are required.  It is usually anyone they can find to take the development squads after everyone else runs them down and gives out about them - but don't put their names forward to take them.
How can he back Mulhollands record?  2 seasons and 2 defeats in championship football.  the league is a different scenario at county minor level as if your school is enjoying success in the later stages of Hogan/Mc Crory football - you will be without key individuals.  the league can not really be seen as development as when the "college lads" come back - there are always changes to the minor panels. 
Shane Mulholland may be a nice lad of that I have no doubt - but bleeds down football?? Really...
Whilst last year he did make a sustained effort with the development squads - this year there was not much happening.  I realise he was very busy preparing and getting ready for the minor championship - but to not turn up at any development squads sessions doesn't strike me as someone who bleeds down football.  All 3 squads training in the same complex this year was a great idea and this allowed us mere parents to see exactly who was at sessions and who was not.  It also allowed us to see the squad coaches in action taking sessions and setting out drills and games etc.  I have to say I really enjoyed watching the different sessions and my lad who is u16 really got a buzz out of attending the sessions. the coaches were very professional in their approach and ran the sessions to the absolute best of their ability.  At the end of each session I make it a ritual to thank them for their continued efforts with the underage of the county.  They have sustained the effort and sessions throughout the year and have upcoming sessions this weekend again.  I hope this structure and indeed most if not all the coaches can be kept on board for next season.  I will probably be in a better position to judge where my lad has improved next year - but as long as he enjoys it and returns to the car with a smile on his face after the sessions - I cant ask for any more.

Why should the senior and u21 management teams be relieved of their duties?  This was their first year.. Stephen was with the U21s for 3 seasons and would have been asking questions had he been relieved of his duties after year 1 when they were beaten... If this time next year we are in a position where no improvement has happened - then yes it needs a major review.  But at least give them a reasonable chance to do something.  The league next year (div 1) is going to be tough - we all understand that.  Lets hope Jim can get a few players in after the club championship and blood them in the league an ready them for championship.  the u21s will hopefully get it right next year as well. 

No need for all the negativity - we are where we are and slating people is not going to solve anything.  Lets get back on board Stephen - who knows - you could be the Minor manager in waiting.......
Have you  no respect for your son by telling us he's on the U16 Dev Squad?
You might want to edit this as you're identifying yourself but worse identifying your son.

Would you catch a grip of yourself interested the man talking from his own personal experience I'm sure there is more than his fella training with this squad...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 21, 2015, 10:41:32 PM
Steven Poacher and his love-in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on July 22, 2015, 09:13:54 AM
Quote from: wobbller on July 21, 2015, 10:41:32 PM
Steven Poacher and his love-in.

I will give Poacher one thing. He has a passion for Down football and though all may not agree with his tactics and ways about him, he wants the best for his players and for this county. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 22, 2015, 09:15:41 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on July 22, 2015, 09:13:54 AM
Quote from: wobbller on July 21, 2015, 10:41:32 PM
Steven Poacher and his love-in.

I will give Poacher one thing. He has a passion for Down football and though all may not agree with his tactics and ways about him, he wants the best for his players and for this county.

Certainly looks up to Mulholland anyway, wrote a piece about him in Gaelic Life after the minor defeat claiming he was the best manager he has worked with etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on July 22, 2015, 09:30:08 AM
Well now here is a surprise. Steve sticking up for his former management colleague and the man whom he has written numerous column inches about over the past few weeks in admiration. Like it or not the harsh world of management is that you are judged on your results and that holds true even more at county level. It would be harsh after one year to get the sack so most managers get at least two bites at the cherry. It doesn't matter how you go about your job if you are winning, you will get all the plaudits for what you are doing so even though Mulholland may well have been proactive in his approach he wasn't winning championship matches and that led to his dismissal. The journey home from Derry done no favours either. Steve may well have points regarding the development squads in terms of working to a blueprint but my understanding is that POR is overseeing this so this should have no bearing on the minor managers job, its a big enough job in itself. It would be good to know however if Down underage teams are singing of the one hymn sheet in terms of development or is it just haphazard. It will be interesting to see how quickly and what process is used to select the next minor manager. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on July 22, 2015, 10:17:52 AM
Quote from: downup on July 22, 2015, 09:30:08 AM
Well now here is a surprise. Steve sticking up for his former management colleague and the man whom he has written numerous column inches about over the past few weeks in admiration. Like it or not the harsh world of management is that you are judged on your results and that holds true even more at county level. It would be harsh after one year to get the sack so most managers get at least two bites at the cherry. It doesn't matter how you go about your job if you are winning, you will get all the plaudits for what you are doing so even though Mulholland may well have been proactive in his approach he wasn't winning championship matches and that led to his dismissal. The journey home from Derry done no favours either. Steve may well have points regarding the development squads in terms of working to a blueprint but my understanding is that POR is overseeing this so this should have no bearing on the minor managers job, its a big enough job in itself. It would be good to know however if Down underage teams are singing of the one hymn sheet in terms of development or is it just haphazard. It will be interesting to see how quickly and what process is used to select the next minor manager.
Steven should move along and let this go.Developement squad improvement is indeed the way forward but the only alteration to the way the squads are run  this year is that they are going to S&C in a gym in Burren run by someone called O'Rourke.Is he any relation to Paddy who is overseeing this new blueprint?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 22, 2015, 12:00:11 PM
Quote from: imagine on July 22, 2015, 10:17:52 AM
Quote from: downup on July 22, 2015, 09:30:08 AM
Well now here is a surprise. Steve sticking up for his former management colleague and the man whom he has written numerous column inches about over the past few weeks in admiration. Like it or not the harsh world of management is that you are judged on your results and that holds true even more at county level. It would be harsh after one year to get the sack so most managers get at least two bites at the cherry. It doesn't matter how you go about your job if you are winning, you will get all the plaudits for what you are doing so even though Mulholland may well have been proactive in his approach he wasn't winning championship matches and that led to his dismissal. The journey home from Derry done no favours either. Steve may well have points regarding the development squads in terms of working to a blueprint but my understanding is that POR is overseeing this so this should have no bearing on the minor managers job, its a big enough job in itself. It would be good to know however if Down underage teams are singing of the one hymn sheet in terms of development or is it just haphazard. It will be interesting to see how quickly and what process is used to select the next minor manager.
Steven should move along and let this go.Developement squad improvement is indeed the way forward but the only alteration to the way the squads are run  this year is that they are going to S&C in a gym in Burren run by someone called O'Rourke.Is he any relation to Paddy who is overseeing this new blueprint?


His son.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on July 22, 2015, 03:23:34 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 22, 2015, 12:00:11 PM
Quote from: imagine on July 22, 2015, 10:17:52 AM
Quote from: downup on July 22, 2015, 09:30:08 AM
Well now here is a surprise. Steve sticking up for his former management colleague and the man whom he has written numerous column inches about over the past few weeks in admiration. Like it or not the harsh world of management is that you are judged on your results and that holds true even more at county level. It would be harsh after one year to get the sack so most managers get at least two bites at the cherry. It doesn't matter how you go about your job if you are winning, you will get all the plaudits for what you are doing so even though Mulholland may well have been proactive in his approach he wasn't winning championship matches and that led to his dismissal. The journey home from Derry done no favours either. Steve may well have points regarding the development squads in terms of working to a blueprint but my understanding is that POR is overseeing this so this should have no bearing on the minor managers job, its a big enough job in itself. It would be good to know however if Down underage teams are singing of the one hymn sheet in terms of development or is it just haphazard. It will be interesting to see how quickly and what process is used to select the next minor manager.
Steven should move along and let this go.Developement squad improvement is indeed the way forward but the only alteration to the way the squads are run  this year is that they are going to S&C in a gym in Burren run by someone called O'Rourke.Is he any relation to Paddy who is overseeing this new blueprint?


His son.
I genuinely did not know this.Hope he's as good as his father.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 22, 2015, 05:10:34 PM
Quote from: imagine on July 22, 2015, 03:23:34 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 22, 2015, 12:00:11 PM
Quote from: imagine on July 22, 2015, 10:17:52 AM
Quote from: downup on July 22, 2015, 09:30:08 AM
Well now here is a surprise. Steve sticking up for his former management colleague and the man whom he has written numerous column inches about over the past few weeks in admiration. Like it or not the harsh world of management is that you are judged on your results and that holds true even more at county level. It would be harsh after one year to get the sack so most managers get at least two bites at the cherry. It doesn't matter how you go about your job if you are winning, you will get all the plaudits for what you are doing so even though Mulholland may well have been proactive in his approach he wasn't winning championship matches and that led to his dismissal. The journey home from Derry done no favours either. Steve may well have points regarding the development squads in terms of working to a blueprint but my understanding is that POR is overseeing this so this should have no bearing on the minor managers job, its a big enough job in itself. It would be good to know however if Down underage teams are singing of the one hymn sheet in terms of development or is it just haphazard. It will be interesting to see how quickly and what process is used to select the next minor manager.
Steven should move along and let this go.Developement squad improvement is indeed the way forward but the only alteration to the way the squads are run  this year is that they are going to S&C in a gym in Burren run by someone called O'Rourke.Is he any relation to Paddy who is overseeing this new blueprint?


His son.
I genuinely did not know this.Hope he's as good as his father.
Aye right😅 And I'm Ross Carr.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tiocfaidh Ned on July 22, 2015, 08:54:42 PM
They say you get the government you deserve so it must also be true of county boards. It's all well and good blaming minor managers or former Armagh players for the state of our county teams, but when you have a county board and in particual a full time, salaried county secretary who are totally inept then we will always be fighting a losing battle.

#SackChuckyNed #SackSeanOg #SackThe Seans
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 22, 2015, 09:04:17 PM
shane mulholland was pretty scathing of the county board and the way he felt he was treated in an interview in todays newry reporter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 22, 2015, 10:45:25 PM
Quote from: SamFever on July 22, 2015, 09:45:32 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 22, 2015, 09:04:17 PM
shane mulholland was pretty scathing of the county board and the way he felt he was treated in an interview in todays newry reporter.
Nothing changes with Managers being aggrieved at being axed in Down,McCartan being the rare
exception when he walked away.
Regardless of what Shane may or may not have been doing in the background with development squads etc. The fact is he didn't get a win in 2 years in championship.  V Tyrone last year was the worst performance of a Down minor team in many many years. Derry was poor also. What's his gripe he had to go management is  results  based. McCorry will be pushed next year if seniors don't do anything in championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 22, 2015, 10:49:13 PM
S M should never have been sacked by the clubs of Down
All these schools have to take some of the blame also for lack of work going on.St Marks for one have gone down hill badly since Barney McA left them.Pauly get your finger out and start doing something about that.
SM was doing a serious amount of work with under 14-15-16-17 dev squads from what I am lead to believe ??
Jim stays for another year to prove his worth and I think that's the right call
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on July 22, 2015, 11:20:37 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 22, 2015, 10:49:13 PM
S M should never have been sacked by the clubs of Down
All these schools have to take some of the blame also for lack of work going on.St Marks for one have gone down hill badly since Barney McA left them.Pauly get your finger out and start doing something about that.
SM was doing a serious amount of work with under 14-15-16-17 dev squads from what I am lead to believe ??
Jim stays for another year to prove his worth and I think that's the right call

Exactly what is 'doing serious work' mean?  You have been led to believe, so you are taking the word from someone else about this?

I think Jim's position is untenable and since he doesn't have the support of his employers then I cannot see how he can stay. I don't think that one year was enough before putting it to the clubs to vote on as he should have been given more time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 22, 2015, 11:28:32 PM
What if  Jim McCorry thinks I can't continue here without the support but feck them I will wait to the worst possible time for Down and then walk? Leave them in lurch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 23, 2015, 08:53:39 AM
Quote from: wobbller on July 22, 2015, 11:28:51 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 22, 2015, 10:49:13 PM
S M should never have been sacked by the clubs of Down
All these schools have to take some of the blame also for lack of work going on.St Marks for one have gone down hill badly since Barney McA left them.Pauly get your finger out and start doing something about that.
SM was doing a serious amount of work with under 14-15-16-17 dev squads from what I am lead to believe ??
Jim stays for another year to prove his worth and I think that's the right call
Doing a serious amount of work!!!Whoever is telling you this is talking bull. He had nothing
to do with any of these squads lately,although he took over the 2014 U17,s once he had failed in the
Championship last summer.
      Lots of complaints about no Trials for this year having brought forward the U17 squad from '14 which followed through from the 2013 U16 squad. So whoever picked the squad in April 2013 really picked the Minor squad for this year bar a few drop offs
   With all this buddy boy talk from SP about SM's passion,bleeding Down Football(how pathetic is that statement) what have either of them ever achieved in coaching terms?


Although I'm not 100% certain of this so could be wrong, I think there were trials for the minors at the start of this year before thru MacRory players were released by the schools after their school campaign was over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 23, 2015, 09:33:29 AM
Huh???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 23, 2015, 09:52:50 AM
This development squad system makes no sense to me. surely instead of one person being put in charge of all the levels it should be  a progressive thing. You select the man you want to be managing the minors in 3-4 years. He focuses on the U14 & U15 squad. Next year his remit takes in the U14, U15 & U16, then U14, U15, U16 & U17. Either at this point or next year he takes over the minor management role and at the same time a new mentor is brought in to focus on U14 following the same path as the guy above.

This would develop the players with the coach, they would have focus on shared objectives. The mentor would have time to make mistakes and learn from them with the same group of players and hopefully arrive at minor championship level with a fully "Developed" squad and footballing approach.

He would have 2-3 years at minor level before ideally moving on to U21 then senior county involvement bringing much of his players through and leaving the opportunity for his following successor.

This would provide a continuity for manager/squad relationship, continuity in succession for our county managers, and continuity in philosophy as one developing manager co-operates and overlaps with the other.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on July 23, 2015, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 23, 2015, 09:52:50 AM
This development squad system makes no sense to me. surely instead of one person being put in charge of all the levels it should be  a progressive thing. You select the man you want to be managing the minors in 3-4 years. He focuses on the U14 & U15 squad. Next year his remit takes in the U14, U15 & U16, then U14, U15, U16 & U17. Either at this point or next year he takes over the minor management role and at the same time a new mentor is brought in to focus on U14 following the same path as the guy above.

This would develop the players with the coach, they would have focus on shared objectives. The mentor would have time to make mistakes and learn from them with the same group of players and hopefully arrive at minor championship level with a fully "Developed" squad and footballing approach.

He would have 2-3 years at minor level before ideally moving on to U21 then senior county involvement bringing much of his players through and leaving the opportunity for his following successor.

This would provide a continuity for manager/squad relationship, continuity in succession for our county managers, and continuity in philosophy as one developing manager co-operates and overlaps with the other.
Well written thoughts. Would anyone of sound mind disagree with any of this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 23, 2015, 10:48:42 AM
The main problem with the development squads is that a lot of players who are the 'best' in the county at underage do not go to them at u14-17 - but go straight into the Minor panel as they are still the best at that age. Surely if you want a group of players to gel in the way mentioned above, you need them playing together for years rather than months or arguably weeks!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on July 23, 2015, 11:49:12 AM
Anyone remember the last minor management team who actually came/ through the development squads and worked their way up to the position of minor manager?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 23, 2015, 11:56:55 AM
Quote from: gaamann on July 23, 2015, 11:49:12 AM
Anyone remember the last minor management team who actually came/ through the development squads and worked their way up to the position of minor manager?
Peter McGrath possibly. Successful Counties-Dessie Farrell,Mickey Harte
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on July 23, 2015, 01:02:06 PM
Don't think wee Pete worked with the development squads before his appointment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nailer on July 23, 2015, 01:44:06 PM
There were only a few players from East Down in the starting fifteen against Tyrone last year and in Derry in the championship this year,there is certainly no doubt that South Down has the strongest minor teams in the county but we are certainly going to struggle to win anything at this level if almost half the county are not providing talented players to the county minor team.
Are the clubs not doing enough to coach their underage players, do the players have little interest in committing to county football or are there other reasons?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nailer on July 23, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
Good point alright,surely the five year plan that was done a few years ago and the ' Consultation Process" that was carried out would have included something like this, it just seems that these documents were completed and put on a shelf someplace, I wonder are they ever referred to,reviewed and amended to ensure ensure everyone is working towards the same goals.
Does the county coaching officer not have an input in to where the various development squads train or is the financial position in the county limiting the options to centralise the training bases in the county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on July 23, 2015, 05:00:22 PM
I see Poucher the guru has all the answers for us today in the Gaelic life, pity he wouldn't take some of his great knowledge and try and apply it to his ballyholland  team considering all the negative shite they deliver up there every week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 23, 2015, 05:43:54 PM
Im telling you folks, its all Poachers fault again !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 23, 2015, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: Nailer on July 23, 2015, 01:44:06 PM
There were only a few players from East Down in the starting fifteen against Tyrone last year and in Derry in the championship this year,there is certainly no doubt that South Down has the strongest minor teams in the county but we are certainly going to struggle to win anything at this level if almost half the county are not providing talented players to the county minor team.

The most antagonising and pointless argument that comes from Down Gaels (especially disaffected people that happen to reside in East Down). It's senseless.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 23, 2015, 09:11:59 PM
Nobody is questioning that the majority of the better footballers come from south down. But I also think that young lads from my end of the county are regularly overlooked for minor selection. Maybe the development squads will help in the future but at the moment you have a team for the league and a completely different team in the championship when the college footballers are called in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on July 23, 2015, 09:43:22 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on July 23, 2015, 05:00:22 PM
I see Poucher the guru has all the answers for us today in the Gaelic life, pity he wouldn't take some of his great knowledge and try and apply it to his ballyholland  team considering all the negative shite they deliver up there every week

You must be fond of us if you're watching us every week, tool.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 23, 2015, 09:53:19 PM
It's
Quote from: redandblackareback on July 23, 2015, 05:00:22 PM
I see Poucher the guru has all the answers for us today in the Gaelic life, pity he wouldn't take some of his great knowledge and try and apply it to his ballyholland  team considering all the negative shite they deliver up there every week

Haha. Mad.

Ballyholland have never in their history competed as well with the biggest clubs in the county, as they have done this season. And you still find room to criticise and condemn the coaching that has taken them there.

If anyone wants a 30 second insight into why Down football is a mess, just read this post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on July 23, 2015, 10:06:26 PM
Ballyholland love-in tonight  :D
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Post by: Tiocfaidh Ned on July 24, 2015, 12:09:33 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 22, 2015, 09:04:17 PM
shane mulholland was pretty scathing of the county board and the way he felt he was treated in an interview in todays newry reporter.

You'd have to have a certain amount of sympathy for Shane and how he has been treated by the County Executive Comittee. He may have not have got the results that we'd have hoped for but he was certainly trying to lay the foundations for the future development of underage football within the county. Questions have to be asked as to why we have no clear strategy for underage development, what happened to the development squad sub committee and their so called strategic review, which according to Shane, never saw the light of day. Typical of the Down way.

Still, Chucky Ned will pick up his salary on the last Friday of the month, Shane Mulholland never saw a penny, nor did he ask for one. At senior level we couldn't afford Tony McEntee, yet we can afford to keep the same hangers on, year in, year out, who are doing nothing but rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, sure what else would they do, it's the Down way after all.

#SackChuckNed #SackSeanOg #SackTheBoard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 24, 2015, 08:02:21 AM
The personal abuse on some of our county board men is nothing short of a disgrace.Although I don't give my name myself would all those giving out the personal abuse say it with your own name attached.Down are going through a tough time but my god keep the personal stuff out of it.I think it's time to start naming a few of these posters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on July 24, 2015, 09:51:22 AM
The real part of the season has finally kicked off now.. Played well in the first half last night to lead by 5 but the ford used the elements well in the second to win by 4. With Dawson at the helm - This ford team will pack a punch come championship time.. Ford, kilcoo and burren are pace setters. Town, Mayobridge and clonduff are probably just behind them in second tier. Interesting few weeks coming up now before the big one kicks off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 24, 2015, 10:33:19 AM
Pauly were you spying on the opposition saying as your a Burren man?wink wink
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Post by: pauly2 on July 24, 2015, 01:08:42 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 24, 2015, 10:33:19 AM
Pauly were you spying on the opposition saying as your a Burren man?wink wink
Smurfy - you have certainly got your wires crossed here. I'm a castlewellan man born and bred. Nothing will give me greater pleasure than to win the championship this year but I feel we are slightly behind the top three at present..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 24, 2015, 03:22:58 PM
Pauly you are far from a Castlewellan man.Wink wink
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 24, 2015, 05:53:18 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 24, 2015, 03:22:58 PM
Pauly you are far from a Castlewellan man.Wink wink
In a similar sort of way that you're maybe not from the Point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downredblack on July 24, 2015, 07:25:07 PM
Gave up posting on this site a year or so ago , lurked I suppose is what they call it ever since  . Just thought I'd throw my tuppence worth into the current debacle .The witch hunt for POR and Ross/DJ , that happened to some extent on this board is nothing compared to the shite that's gone on  here since the shambles in Wexford .

Personal attacks on Managers & County Board members , posters abusing other posters ,  what the feck is going on ? We are all Down supporters , so loosing matches is no stranger to any of us . In our pomp of course we would not of lost games to  Antrim , Longford , Sligo , Tipperary , Roscommon , Wicklow , Wexford  etc but we are not in our pomp and when were we ever ?The 60's and a spell in the 90's . We have serious tickets on ourselves , we are not The Aristocrats , we are an average team at the best of times and it gives me no pleasure to say that .

After the top 3/4 teams in the country we are in the chasing pack and along way down that chasing pack . Div 1 next year is punching way above our current weight and it will be a short stay at the top table .It's time for a rebuild in Down from the ground up but the only way that will happen is if people come together , ripping the shite out of men that are in there doing their best  with the various teams and amongst ourselves on this board   will only divide us and set us back further .

I know it's always raw after a bad Championship exit but  I also  know that by the time McKenna Cup comes around again , the posters on this board will be filled again with the optimism of an other year . Keep the faith .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on July 24, 2015, 07:38:45 PM
Quote from: downredblack on July 24, 2015, 07:25:07 PM
Gave up posting on this site a year or so ago , lurked I suppose is what they call it ever since  . Just thought I'd throw my tuppence worth into the current debacle .The witch hunt for POR and Ross/DJ , that happened to some extent on this board is nothing compared to the shite that's gone on  here since the shambles in Wexford .

Personal attacks on Managers & County Board members , posters abusing other posters ,  what the feck is going on ? We are all Down supporters , so loosing matches is no stranger to any of us . In our pomp of course we would not of lost games to  Antrim , Longford , Sligo , Tipperary , Roscommon , Wicklow , Wexford  etc but we are not in our pomp and when were we ever ?The 60's and a spell in the 90's . We have serious tickets on ourselves , we are not The Aristocrats we are an average team at the best of times and it gives me no pleasure to say that .

After the top 3/4 teams in the country we are in the chasing pack and along way down that chasing pack . Div 1 next year is punching way above our current weight and it will be a short stay at the top table .It's time for a rebuild in Down from the ground up but the only way that will happen is if people come together , ripping the shite out of men that are in there doing their best  with the various teams and amongst ourselves on this board   will only divide us and set us back further .

I know it's always raw after a bad Championship exit but  I also  know that by the time McKenna Cup comes around again , the posters on this board will be filled again with the optimism of an other year . Keep the faith .

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on July 24, 2015, 09:41:37 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on July 24, 2015, 07:38:45 PM
Quote from: downredblack on July 24, 2015, 07:25:07 PM
Gave up posting on this site a year or so ago , lurked I suppose is what they call it ever since  . Just thought I'd throw my tuppence worth into the current debacle .The witch hunt for POR and Ross/DJ , that happened to some extent on this board is nothing compared to the shite that's gone on  here since the shambles in Wexford .

Personal attacks on Managers & County Board members , posters abusing other posters ,  what the feck is going on ? We are all Down supporters , so loosing matches is no stranger to any of us . In our pomp of course we would not of lost games to  Antrim , Longford , Sligo , Tipperary , Roscommon , Wicklow , Wexford  etc but we are not in our pomp and when were we ever ?The 60's and a spell in the 90's . We have serious tickets on ourselves , we are not The Aristocrats we are an average team at the best of times and it gives me no pleasure to say that .

After the top 3/4 teams in the country we are in the chasing pack and along way down that chasing pack . Div 1 next year is punching way above our current weight and it will be a short stay at the top table .It's time for a rebuild in Down from the ground up but the only way that will happen is if people come together , ripping the shite out of men that are in there doing their best  with the various teams and amongst ourselves on this board   will only divide us and set us back further .

I know it's always raw after a bad Championship exit but  I also  know that by the time McKenna Cup comes around again , the posters on this board will be filled again with the optimism of an other year . Keep the faith .

+1
You def correct in all that you wish for but the points being made are that 'some old  same old' things will occur next year. Pity though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on July 25, 2015, 07:28:01 PM
Ooh aah Pete Mc Grath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 25, 2015, 08:36:09 PM
id say clare winning munster in '92 would have been a bigger upset but id love to see Fermanagh overturn Kerry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on July 25, 2015, 08:42:27 PM
Jesus, this used to be a great site for match reports and results from our club league games, any word of getting back to that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redzone on July 25, 2015, 08:51:08 PM
Its Dublin they r playin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 25, 2015, 08:56:41 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 25, 2015, 08:51:08 PM
Its Dublin they r playin
So I see. Worry for them :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redzone on July 25, 2015, 09:53:12 PM
Would down supporters on here be on for Pete to take down next year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 26, 2015, 12:45:51 AM
Quote from: redzone on July 25, 2015, 09:53:12 PM
Would down supporters on here be on for Pete to take down next year?
Go away and mind your own business.We have a Manager in place for 2016 and hopefully Pete  in Fermanagh does the business v Dublin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 26, 2015, 09:50:08 AM
 Pete McGrath v Dublin. Memories from 1994.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 27, 2015, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: wobbller on July 26, 2015, 09:50:08 AM
Pete McGrath v Dublin. Memories from 1994.
At least some of us have those memories anyone born late 80's  early 90's dont have much to look back on following mediocre Down apart from 2010.
Best of luck to Wee Pete on Sunday, He couldnt be facing a togher task but i dont think they will be the cannon fodder everyone else things they will be. sure the Dubs will win but i dont see Longford or Kildare type drubbing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on July 27, 2015, 01:58:17 PM
Just for a change of focus on this board - I was at the Clonduff v Burren match yesterday and must say that even with the horrible weather conditions I thought Burren played some great attaching fast football. I have been hearing how well they were playing but now that I have actually got to see them I think they most certainly will be very hard to beat this year. They seem to have a great mix of players and are physically very strong. Their passing was direct and slick and if they hadn't kicked so many wides they really would have posted a massive score. Clonduff were poor for the most part although they had a good 10 minute spell in the second half. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 27, 2015, 06:38:47 PM
from the matches iv seen this year i cant see past burren. does anyone know what odds they are to win the championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FML on July 27, 2015, 07:53:40 PM
Congratulations to Down players Jamie Morgan, Conor Clarke, & John Boden who have been selected for the Ulster U16 Panel following their time with the Elite Player Academy at UUJ.
Bad luck for Liam Rafferty & Shaun Lyttle who also acquitted themselves very well at the academy.
All are currently in the U16 Development Squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 27, 2015, 09:23:32 PM
Quote from: FML on July 27, 2015, 07:53:40 PM
Congratulations to Down players Jamie Morgan, Conor Clarke, & John Boden who have been selected for the Ulster U16 Panel following their time with the Elite Player Academy at UUJ.
Bad luck for Liam Rafferty & Shaun Lyttle who also acquitted themselves very well at the academy.
All are currently in the U16 Development Squad.
Well done indeed.Is this info available on the Web anywhere to see the whole panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 28, 2015, 06:00:28 PM
 Will the Championship Passes be available this year? Great value with all games
being a bit more important than the preliminary round robin games this past few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 29, 2015, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: wobbller on July 27, 2015, 09:23:32 PM
Quote from: FML on July 27, 2015, 07:53:40 PM
Congratulations to Down players Jamie Morgan, Conor Clarke, & John Boden who have been selected for the Ulster U16 Panel following their time with the Elite Player Academy at UUJ.
Bad luck for Liam Rafferty & Shaun Lyttle who also acquitted themselves very well at the academy.
All are currently in the U16 Development Squad.
Well done indeed.Is this info available on the Web anywhere to see the whole panel?

Antrim---Eoghan McCabe, Dermot McErlaine
Armagh---Andrew Cullen (GK), Eamon McCabe, Sean McCarthy, Adam O'Connor
Cavan-----Daniel Cusack
Derry---Mark McGrogan, Lorcan McWilliams
Donegal---Aaron Deeney, Peadar Mogan
Down-----John Boden, Conor Clarke, Jamie Morgan
Fermanagh----Cameron McBrien, James McQuaid
Monaghan---Padraig Meehan, Josh Walsh
Tyrone-----Jude Campbell, Ronan Cassidy (GK), Damian McGuigan, Brian McNulty

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on July 29, 2015, 06:00:33 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 29, 2015, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: wobbller on July 27, 2015, 09:23:32 PM
Quote from: FML on July 27, 2015, 07:53:40 PM
Congratulations to Down players Jamie Morgan, Conor Clarke, & John Boden who have been selected for the Ulster U16 Panel following their time with the Elite Player Academy at UUJ.
Bad luck for Liam Rafferty & Shaun Lyttle who also acquitted themselves very well at the academy.
All are currently in the U16 Development Squad.
Well done indeed.Is this info available on the Web anywhere to see the whole panel?

Antrim---Eoghan McCabe, Dermot McErlaine
Armagh---Andrew Cullen (GK), Eamon McCabe, Sean McCarthy, Adam O'Connor
Cavan-----Daniel Cusack
Derry---Mark McGrogan, Lorcan McWilliams
Donegal---Aaron Deeney, Peadar Mogan
Down-----John Boden, Conor Clarke, Jamie Morgan
Fermanagh----Cameron McBrien, James McQuaid
Monaghan---Padraig Meehan, Josh Walsh
Tyrone-----Jude Campbell, Ronan Cassidy (GK), Damian McGuigan, Brian McNulty

[/any word on the hurling selection?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 30, 2015, 08:06:52 AM
Quote from: The Raven on July 29, 2015, 06:00:33 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 29, 2015, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: wobbller on July 27, 2015, 09:23:32 PM
Quote from: FML on July 27, 2015, 07:53:40 PM
Congratulations to Down players Jamie Morgan, Conor Clarke, & John Boden who have been selected for the Ulster U16 Panel following their time with the Elite Player Academy at UUJ.
Bad luck for Liam Rafferty & Shaun Lyttle who also acquitted themselves very well at the academy.
All are currently in the U16 Development Squad.
Well done indeed.Is this info available on the Web anywhere to see the whole panel?

Antrim---Eoghan McCabe, Dermot McErlaine
Armagh---Andrew Cullen (GK), Eamon McCabe, Sean McCarthy, Adam O'Connor
Cavan-----Daniel Cusack
Derry---Mark McGrogan, Lorcan McWilliams
Donegal---Aaron Deeney, Peadar Mogan
Down-----John Boden, Conor Clarke, Jamie Morgan
Fermanagh----Cameron McBrien, James McQuaid
Monaghan---Padraig Meehan, Josh Walsh
Tyrone-----Jude Campbell, Ronan Cassidy (GK), Damian McGuigan, Brian McNulty


any word on the hurling selection?


Not yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on July 30, 2015, 11:03:57 PM
Anyone at the Kilcoo Downpatrick game strange result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 30, 2015, 11:30:45 PM
In what way? RGU fighting for first divison status and kilcoo have hardly set the world alight this year. Added to that PD away so there goes about 6 pts from frees!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on July 31, 2015, 12:15:26 AM
You not think its a strange result supersub Kilcoo may not have been setting the world on fire but getting beat at home by Downpatrick is at least a upset.Just wonder what sort of team Kilcoo had out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on July 31, 2015, 09:30:41 AM
Was at game, Kilcoo played a second string team. 
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Post by: Downgaa88 on July 31, 2015, 10:02:03 AM
Downpatrick playing a very weakened team as well with the amount of boys they have missing. They can only play what is in front of them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on July 31, 2015, 10:52:26 AM
No issues with Downpatrick as you say they can only play whats in front of them.Disappointing for all clubs in the regulation fight that Kilcoo field their seconds team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 31, 2015, 05:13:40 PM
Kilcoo only thinking of Championship at this stage of the year.
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Post by: lfdown2 on July 31, 2015, 10:20:54 PM
Any word what happened at the Glenn Ballyholland game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 31, 2015, 10:27:40 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on July 31, 2015, 10:20:54 PM
Any word what happened at the Glenn Ballyholland game?

Ballyholland were leading by 2.8 to Glenn 0.7 with few minutes to go according to Glenn Gac Twitter !! 
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Post by: thewobbler on July 31, 2015, 11:01:29 PM
Wasn't great viewing in Ballyholland tonight.

Hard enough game without anything too malicious - I didn't see the tackle where Joe Murphy got his jaw broke, so no comment there - but when Ballyholland pulled away with a goal with 5 mins to go, Glenn upped the physicality. Another goal with two minutes to go and it upped again. Then a melee.

Truth be told, apart from the first 3-4 men in who shared swipes, it wasn't so much of a battering match as a hugging session, but I can understand why the ref pulled the plug. There was an undercurrent building.

Not excusing Ballyholland's behaviour by any stretch. But if a melee can see a match aondonded when approaching injury time, it really isn't a precedent anyone needs. Football is cynical enough in 2015 without this being a tactic for the armoury.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 31, 2015, 11:06:42 PM
Quote from: steveywhiteser on July 31, 2015, 10:58:49 PM
Glen should be automatically relegated from the league this weekend, disgusting the lot of them, that's basically how it went, 70 seconds left ref walked off, one minute brawl at most, players got back to positions an noticed the ref was nowere to be seen, great night overall.

Catch yourself on Fella, what sort of Gael are you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: steveywhiteser on July 31, 2015, 11:35:46 PM
Sorry hedgehunter, won't happen again hedge hunter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 31, 2015, 11:45:27 PM
Quote from: steveywhiteser on July 31, 2015, 11:35:46 PM
Sorry hedgehunter, won't happen again hedge hunter

Poor child.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: steveywhiteser on July 31, 2015, 11:51:35 PM
Lolsss
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 01, 2015, 12:13:26 AM
Do harps get the points?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 01, 2015, 11:07:59 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on July 31, 2015, 11:06:42 PM
Quote from: steveywhiteser on July 31, 2015, 10:58:49 PM
Glen should be automatically relegated from the league this weekend, disgusting the lot of them, that's basically how it went, 70 seconds left ref walked off, one minute brawl at most, players got back to positions an noticed the ref was nowere to be seen, great night overall.

Catch yourself on Fella, what sort of Gael are you?

It is becoming a bit of a habit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 01, 2015, 11:34:02 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 01, 2015, 11:07:59 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on July 31, 2015, 11:06:42 PM
Quote from: steveywhiteser on July 31, 2015, 10:58:49 PM
Glen should be automatically relegated from the league this weekend, disgusting the lot of them, that's basically how it went, 70 seconds left ref walked off, one minute brawl at most, players got back to positions an noticed the ref was nowere to be seen, great night overall.

Catch yourself on Fella, what sort of Gael are you?

It is becoming a bit of a habit.

What's becoming a habit? The fact that everything was settled and 2 players dismissed and the Glenn player was set upon again by the Ballyholland player as he was walking off. Take it lying down,would you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 01, 2015, 11:53:07 AM
Two abandoned games in one season doesn't look well for all that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on August 01, 2015, 12:02:58 PM
It's time someone took Glenn down a peg or 2!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 01, 2015, 12:03:41 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 01, 2015, 11:53:07 AM
Two abandoned games in one season doesn't look well for all that.

I can agree with that and nobody wants to see a game abandoned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 01, 2015, 12:04:54 PM
Quote from: urbangael on August 01, 2015, 12:02:58 PM
It's time someone took Glenn down a peg or 2!!

Why's that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on August 01, 2015, 12:38:02 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 01, 2015, 12:04:54 PM
Quote from: urbangael on August 01, 2015, 12:02:58 PM
It's time someone took Glenn down a peg or 2!!

Why's that?
Because they are more interested in fighting than playing football. They are a small club with second rate facilities that have no place in Div 1 with their dire tactics.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 01, 2015, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: urbangael on August 01, 2015, 12:38:02 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 01, 2015, 12:04:54 PM
Quote from: urbangael on August 01, 2015, 12:02:58 PM
It's time someone took Glenn down a peg or 2!!

Why's that?
Because they are more interested in fighting than playing football. They are a small club with second rate facilities that have no place in Div 1 with their dire tactics.

Dire tactics? Have they done something to upset you? Glenn are a small club with plans in place for a new clubhouse and pitch. I didn't know it was a requirement to have the best facilities in the county to play division 1 football..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 01, 2015, 02:26:37 PM
Burren were very impressive last night v a Saval team who were missing a few experienced players. Geard Mc Govern is the best full back I've seen this year and Mark McKay and Eamon Toner are a formidable  midfield partnership. Their forward line is very quick but they won't be getting the same space next Sunday evening. It's hard to know how good this Burren team is though, but next week will tell the tale. In the 2013 champ final Burren were big favourites but the magpies turned them over. The McCorry factor is missing this year and I think that will edge the result in Burrens favour. It will certainly be very close!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 01, 2015, 02:57:33 PM
Conor Toner was midfield and Eamon was full forward but you are right Burren skittled the lessor teams two years ago but could only kick 8 points against Kilcoo in the championship final.

Kilcoo look to be struggling a bit and the decision to play a second string a week before the championship seems strange but it is still the same group of players that have won 3 in a row and have had Burrens number over the last few years.

Kilcoo by 2!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 01, 2015, 03:18:11 PM
My mistake. Connor is midfield and playing very well.  The magpies must have had plenty of challenge games in the past few weeks, but not fielding a full strength side in the last game before a championship is very strange. Wgm , Sean Murdock is playing great football this season, he is making your forward line tick!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on August 02, 2015, 07:37:02 PM
What do we reckon this year anyway lads? Kilcoo again? Any sign of the 'Bridge making a comeback?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 02, 2015, 08:02:05 PM
I fancy burren i have a few quid on them. Do any of the local bookies do odds for ifc or jfc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 02, 2015, 08:11:10 PM
Its very hard to look past Burren at this stage.  Unbeaten in the league to date and still have players to come back.  Why would Kilcoo have played a 2nd string in their last league game before championship rather than trying to put a decent performance together?  Mc Ivor must have a plan and there certainly will be some crowd in the Marshes next Sunday evening.  I wouldn't write Kilcoo off just yet all the same.

As some else asked, any word of a Championship ticket to buy yet like the last few years?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redzone on August 02, 2015, 10:05:55 PM
Who's the big game next Sunday night in newry?Championship? Is it on destination newry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 02, 2015, 10:10:58 PM
6 00 PM   Páirc Esler, Newry   SAVAL                           vs    MAYOBRIDGE                       Adrian Sharvin
7 45 PM   Páirc Esler, Newry   BURREN (ST. MARY'S)   vs   KILCOO                               Ronan Barry

Not sure about Destination Newry but probably not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 03, 2015, 09:22:01 AM
If Burren don't do the double this year then they have only themselves to blame.
By far and away the best resourced team in the county both on the field and off it.
They are streets ahead of every other team in terms of talent, personnel and resources. No point p!$$in home the league and then not delivering when it matters in championship.

Kilcoo would need to get their collective fingers out and start to show some form befitting of their reputation this last few years. Personally cant see them winning it this year though.
Mayobridge are on the slide and their talent pool is drying up. That said, they are the only team who gave Kilcoo a real game this last 2 years in championship and really should have beaten them.
You would imagine Dawson would be under some pressure to get Bryansford to deliver also. Bundles of talent in that squad but do they have the nutz for the battle?
Cant really see any other team making a challenge to be fair.

Just glad championship is on the way. Maybe local papers will give coverage to teams now rather than the gurnin had to read this last few weeks.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 03, 2015, 06:06:46 PM
Likewise maybe people in here will do the same. It's not just the papers who are fascinated by the County fiasco.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 03, 2015, 06:48:38 PM
Come this time of year(for the past 21 years anyhow bar '10)we're all Club men but if the 'gurnin' is justified in relation to the a county as a whole,what's wrong with it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 06, 2015, 01:13:43 AM
Another example of the magnificent 'Down Way' of doing things, 'Winners' group and 'Losers' group, surely they could could come up with something better than this?


A chairde,
In advance of the opening weekend of championship fixtures, CCC would like to remind clubs of the permutations after this first round of games;

The 8 winners from this weekend will then play each other, the draw for this will take place on Monday night in St.Patrick's Park. This group will become known as the Winners group.
The 8 losers from this weekend will then play each other, the draw for this will also take place on Monday night. This group will become known as the Losers group.

After the second round of matches the 4 winners from the Winners group automatically make it to the Quarter Finals whilst the 4 losers from the Winners group then play the 4 winners from the Losers group in a 3rd round of matches, to give us the remaining 4 Quarter Finalists. The 4 losers of the Losers group in round 2 exit the championship.

In the Quarter Finals there will be 2 bowls, the 4 automatic qualifiers in one bowl and the 4 from the 3rd round games in the other bowl. At this stage, the 4 teams from one bowl will be drawn to play a team from the remaining bowl.

CCC have also determined that should there be a colour clash between opposing teams, both teams will be obliged to change their strip for that game.
Finally, CCC expect all club secretary's to ensure that the championship regulations already forwarded to the clubs are strictly adhered to. Your co-operation on these issues is greatly appreciated.

Best of luck to all clubs in this years championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on August 06, 2015, 11:04:08 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 06, 2015, 01:13:43 AM
Another example of the magnificent 'Down Way' of doing things, 'Winners' group and 'Losers' group, surely they could could come up with something better than this?


A chairde,
In advance of the opening weekend of championship fixtures, CCC would like to remind clubs of the permutations after this first round of games;

The 8 winners from this weekend will then play each other, the draw for this will take place on Monday night in St.Patrick's Park. This group will become known as the Winners group.
The 8 losers from this weekend will then play each other, the draw for this will also take place on Monday night. This group will become known as the Losers group.

After the second round of matches the 4 winners from the Winners group automatically make it to the Quarter Finals whilst the 4 losers from the Winners group then play the 4 winners from the Losers group in a 3rd round of matches, to give us the remaining 4 Quarter Finalists. The 4 losers of the Losers group in round 2 exit the championship.

In the Quarter Finals there will be 2 bowls, the 4 automatic qualifiers in one bowl and the 4 from the 3rd round games in the other bowl. At this stage, the 4 teams from one bowl will be drawn to play a team from the remaining bowl.

CCC have also determined that should there be a colour clash between opposing teams, both teams will be obliged to change their strip for that game.
Finally, CCC expect all club secretary's to ensure that the championship regulations already forwarded to the clubs are strictly adhered to. Your co-operation on these issues is greatly appreciated.

Best of luck to all clubs in this years championship.

Why???  Call it as it is instead of trying to butter it up. Makes sense as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on August 06, 2015, 11:46:05 AM
http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/100228/

I came across this piece on the interesting articles thread. James Mccartan and Conor Deegan, sharing their memories . Would be worthwhile for those critical of players, managers and county board to listen and reflect . Covered all aspects of the 90s successes and failures with honesty,  respect, and humour. It appears that things weren't all rosy in the garden then either, but thankfully ,in those days , the only social media outlet for supporters was slabbering over a few pints in their local!

Hopefully the new club championship structures will breath life back in to the earlier rounds, and players will emerge to strengthen our county teams. The early All-Ireland exit , though disappointing , will make for competitive club championships and More time for county team management to prepare for 2016. Early championship exits in 1990, 1993, and 2009 didn't do us any harm in the years following those exits! Here's hoping
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 06, 2015, 12:04:24 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 06, 2015, 11:46:05 AM
http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/100228/

I came across this piece on the interesting articles thread. James Mccartan and Conor Deegan, sharing their memories . Would be worthwhile for those critical of players, managers and county board to listen and reflect . Covered all aspects of the 90s successes and failures with honesty,  respect, and humour. It appears that things weren't all rosy in the garden then either, but thankfully ,in those days , the only social media outlet for supporters was slabbering over a few pints in their local!

Hopefully the new club championship structures will breath life back in to the earlier rounds, and players will emerge to strengthen our county teams. The early All-Ireland exit , though disappointing , will make for competitive club championships and More time for county team management to prepare for 2016. Early championship exits in 1991, 1993, and 2009 didn't do us any harm in the years following those exits! Here's hoping
Strange about the 1991 exit- I thought we won the AI that year :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on August 06, 2015, 12:32:13 PM
Fixed that for u, we were beaten at the ulster semi stage in 1990 having lost to Meath in the NFL final in April. I remember alot of frustration as supporters had high hopes for that year. In fact expectations were much lower for 1991 and 1994 teams. It's not an exact science but the point I'm trying to make is that Down teams tend to learn well from the sobering effects of disappointing defeats!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on August 06, 2015, 07:45:17 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on July 28, 2015, 06:00:28 PM
Will the Championship Passes be available this year? Great value with all games
being a bit more important than the preliminary round robin games this past few years.
Not available then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FML on August 06, 2015, 09:41:24 PM
Well done to John Boden, Conor Clarke & Jamie Morgan who all started for the Ulster U16 team today against Dublin.
All three played well & were amongst the stronger Ulster players.
Maybe there is a future for Down football after all!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FML on August 07, 2015, 07:33:29 AM
Quote from: wobbller on August 07, 2015, 12:54:55 AM
Quote from: FML on August 06, 2015, 09:41:24 PM
Well done to John Boden, Conor Clarke & Jamie Morgan who all started for the Ulster U16 team today against Dublin.
All three played well & were amongst the stronger Ulster players.
Maybe there is a future for Down football after all!
Who won? how'd your boy do?

My boy is 10. He didn't make the U16 team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 07, 2015, 09:08:29 AM
Just noticed over on the 'prediction' thread shamrocks result in championship last night.
What is goin on down there? Have they really regressed that much. Don't even seem to be competitive these days.
They always would have had a sprinkling of decent footballers to hold their own.
Any of the Newry bethern enlighten us?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on August 07, 2015, 02:13:54 PM
Lads anyone know of any of the newry bookies doing odds on the IFC matches?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on August 07, 2015, 02:20:23 PM
Seems to be something missing in Shamrocks.Underage Coaching is better than most Clubs.
I'll ask one question here, last night Shamrocks were playing in the new U16 League
Final against Burren while their Senior Footballers were playing in the IFC. If Burren were playing in the SFC,would their U16 Footballers be playing on the same night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 07, 2015, 06:59:59 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on August 07, 2015, 02:20:23 PM
Seems to be something missing in Shamrocks.Underage Coaching is better than most Clubs.
I'll ask one question here, last night Shamrocks were playing in the new U16 League
Final against Burren while their Senior Footballers were playing in the IFC. If Burren were playing in the SFC,would their U16 Footballers be playing on the same night?

Shamrocks agreed to the time and date of the fixture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 07, 2015, 10:49:13 PM
Heard some hefty fines handed out to Ballyholland and Glenn as a result of the league game. A few suspensions with it. Does this affect the championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 08, 2015, 12:51:26 AM
How long has Dawson been at Bryansford now? Is it 3 years?? They were pathetic tonight against an ok Clonduff side, he was totally clueless along the line, big question marks starting to emerge about Dawson, whoever the powers that be are in Bryansford certainly can't be happy with progress or lack of it. Yes Supersub I heard the same myself about Glen v Ballyholland, I hear the super Harps will have more players + management in the crowd tomorrow night than they will on the pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on August 08, 2015, 08:13:50 AM
Does the suspensions not only take in the league?Harps only had 2 players suspended from the scuffle so not that major of inconvenience I wouldn't think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on August 08, 2015, 08:53:42 AM
Quote from: imagine on May 13, 2015, 09:07:24 AM
Is Conor Mc Gregor of UFC fame in charge
if your team  this year? There's only  4 rounds of
matches played and you may regret some
of your comments as the season goes on but
best of luck.
A post I made in May about Ballyholland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 08, 2015, 11:20:42 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on August 08, 2015, 08:13:50 AM
Does the suspensions not only take in the league?Harps only had 2 players suspended from the scuffle so not that major of inconvenience I wouldn't think.

I heard three plus obviously Joe Murphy out too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 08, 2015, 12:03:40 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 07, 2015, 10:49:13 PM
Heard some hefty fines handed out to Ballyholland and Glenn as a result of the league game. A few suspensions with it. Does this affect the championship?

No.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 08, 2015, 01:04:28 PM
I thought Adams outfoxed Dawson last night . Dawson pushed his players up on the Clonduff sweepers which Arthur and Barry O Hagan exploited. There is no point having players like Savage , Clarke , Maginn and the Brannigans in your forward line if you drive every ball on top of King at full forward. Darren O'Hagan is a class act who led by example last night. The question mark still lies over Byransfords mentality in major championship games, but no one will be looking them in the next game either.
The first game was not great but the experience of Liatroim got them over the line. Liam Doyle is such a stylish footballer and its a shame we never seen more of him in the county jersey. He is a great club servant and is playing through the pain barrier to represent them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 08, 2015, 02:15:00 PM
Strange our county fullback wasn't deemed good enough to mark Arthur McConville last night.  Is that because Dawson is a bit of a head case or he isn't good enough to be our county fullback.  Could be a bit of both.

O Hagan is a class act but maginn still got 1-1 off him, loses concentration now and again.

Ford have too many nice players and not enough workers.  Maginn, Clarke, Brannigan, Savage all in the same forward line.  A bit like the Down forward line actually.  Should have kept King inside too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 08, 2015, 02:18:47 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on August 08, 2015, 01:04:28 PM
I thought Adams outfoxed Dawson last night . Dawson pushed his players up on the Clonduff sweepers which Arthur and Barry O Hagan exploited. There is no point having players like Savage , Clarke , Maginn and the Brannigans in your forward line if you drive every ball on top of King at full forward. Darren O'Hagan is a class act who led by example last night. The question mark still lies over Byransfords mentality in major championship games, but no one will be looking them in the next game either.
The first game was not great but the experience of Liatroim got them over the line. Liam Doyle is such a stylish footballer and its a shame we never seen more of him in the county jersey. He is a great club servant and is playing through the pain barrier to represent them.

I thought Clonduff won the tactical duel too. They had a very solid game plan that worked brilliantly.
Ford's forwards underperformed.
Darren O'Hagan was immense. Best defender in the county at the moment while Arthur McConville put in a star display. Big lad Henry Brown at midfield had a good game at midfield as well.
Liatroim and Annaclone wasn't a great game but as you say Liam Doyle had a rolls royce of a performance at midfield. Annaclone are an ageing team and might'nt be about the SFC for much longer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on August 08, 2015, 10:01:09 PM
Was at CPN and Ballyholland match tonight. CPN stole it with a majestic last minute point from Ross McGarry. Ballyholland will be sick that they lost this. They were winning. 0.10 to 0.4 but lost 1.8 to 0.10
CPN also missed a penalty too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 08, 2015, 10:05:57 PM
Any other results lad? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 08, 2015, 10:17:35 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 08, 2015, 10:05:57 PM
Any other results lad? 
Glenn 1-15 longstone 1-13 in SFC. An riocht and loughinisland won easily in IFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on August 08, 2015, 10:33:30 PM
Glenn 1 15  Longstone 1 13 what do you think of that Steveywhiteser and Urbangael!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on August 08, 2015, 11:09:35 PM
Managed two games in the last 24 hours and both were enjoyable.It must be frustrating to be a Ford supporter as the whole is less than the sum of the parts.Dawson did appear clueless but the yellas usually produce at least one good championship performance each year and they were good value for the win. The O'Hagans, Aidan Carr and big Arthur were excellent and maybe Gearoid is potential successor to the man nobody seems to have a good word for
I reckon if the vote was run again he would be out.   Glenn were lucky to beat the Stone; however the fadhians had only themselves to blame for not getting Mark Poland on the ball enough.They still could have won it at the end when Ambrose was bearing down on goal but lost possession and Glenn went down the field for the insurance point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 09, 2015, 12:28:53 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on August 08, 2015, 11:09:35 PM
Managed two games in the last 24 hours and both were enjoyable.It must be frustrating to be a Ford supporter as the whole is less than the sum of the parts.Dawson did appear clueless but the yellas usually produce at least one good championship performance each year and they were good value for the win. The O'Hagans, Aidan Carr and big Arthur were excellent and maybe Gearoid is potential successor to the man nobody seems to have a good word for
I reckon if the vote was run again he would be out.   Glenn were lucky to beat the Stone; however the fadhians had only themselves to blame for not getting Mark Poland on the ball enough.They still could have won it at the end when Ambrose was bearing down on goal but lost possession and Glenn went down the field for the insurance point.
You are not suggesting that Gearoid Adams is a future Down Manager on the back of a win in the Down SFC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on August 09, 2015, 12:57:06 AM
Quote from: imagine on August 08, 2015, 08:53:42 AM
Quote from: imagine on May 13, 2015, 09:07:24 AM
Is Conor Mc Gregor of UFC fame in charge
if your team  this year? There's only  4 rounds of
matches played and you may regret some
of your comments as the season goes on but
best of luck.
A post I made in May about Ballyholland.

Must of made this post after Ballyholland beat your club did you ? W*nk*r
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on August 09, 2015, 09:23:27 AM
Quote from: TooLongRef on August 09, 2015, 12:57:06 AM
Quote from: imagine on August 08, 2015, 08:53:42 AM
Quote from: imagine on May 13, 2015, 09:07:24 AM
Is Conor Mc Gregor of UFC fame in charge
if your team  this year? There's only  4 rounds of
matches played and you may regret some
of your comments as the season goes on but
best of luck.
A post I made in May about Ballyholland.

Must of made this post after Ballyholland beat your club did you ? W*nk*r
Charming response from you, still drowning your sorrows?It'll be a long time before we would be playing the likes of Ballyholland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 09, 2015, 10:46:04 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 08, 2015, 10:17:35 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 08, 2015, 10:05:57 PM
Any other results lad? 
Glenn 1-15 longstone 1-13 in SFC. An riocht and loughinisland won easily in IFC.

Glen were 5/2 to win that. Huge price given their league positions. Was tempted. Should have got on it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 09, 2015, 11:08:57 AM
Its only 6 years ago Ardglass beat Glenn in Glenn, we would have beat them a good few times before that too, but they have soared through the leagues since and to beat longstone in a sfc game is a great achievement in a short period of time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on August 09, 2015, 11:14:34 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on August 08, 2015, 11:09:35 PM
Managed two games in the last 24 hours and both were enjoyable.It must be frustrating to be a Ford supporter as the whole is less than the sum of the parts.Dawson did appear clueless but the yellas usually produce at least one good championship performance each year and they were good value for the win. The O'Hagans, Aidan Carr and big Arthur were excellent and maybe Gearoid is potential successor to the man nobody seems to have a good word for
I reckon if the vote was run again he would be out.   Glenn were lucky to beat the Stone; however the fadhians had only themselves to blame for not getting Mark Poland on the ball enough.They still could have won it at the end when Ambrose was bearing down on goal but lost possession and Glenn went down the field for the insurance point.

Aye I've just put the mortgage on them to win the championship!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on August 09, 2015, 12:07:17 PM
Thanks Ardtole yes Glenn and Ardglass had a few tight games.09 would have been the start of our minor team coming.Still very young and inexperienced but Longstone are a good championship side and a great win yesterday.Yous had some good players then remember some of them well Magee two Deegans Taggert them lads would have got on any first division team.The year yous finished top of the league and got done in the playoffs was a difficult one to recover from.
Urbangale Glenn have no chance of winning the Championship fools and there money better giving the mortgage money to your ma to mind for you.Feck the begrudgers!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 09, 2015, 12:11:04 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on August 08, 2015, 11:09:35 PM
Managed two games in the last 24 hours and both were enjoyable.It must be frustrating to be a Ford supporter as the whole is less than the sum of the parts.Dawson did appear clueless but the yellas usually produce at least one good championship performance each year and they were good value for the win. The O'Hagans, Aidan Carr and big Arthur were excellent and maybe Gearoid is potential successor to the man nobody seems to have a good word for
I reckon if the vote was run again he would be out.   Glenn were lucky to beat the Stone; however the fadhians had only themselves to blame for not getting Mark Poland on the ball enough.They still could have won it at the end when Ambrose was bearing down on goal but lost possession and Glenn went down the field for the insurance point.

Glenn where ahead the whole game but yeah must have been luck  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 09, 2015, 12:16:39 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on August 08, 2015, 10:01:09 PM
Was at CPN and Ballyholland match tonight. CPN stole it with a majestic last minute point from Ross McGarry. Ballyholland will be sick that they lost this. They were winning. 0.10 to 0.4 but lost 1.8 to 0.10
CPN also missed a penalty too
Two poor teams , the Point only scored 2points in the first half. Although it was a difficult night for football. Stevie P must have lost his voice at the end cause he did some shouting for the first 58 minutes, looked totally bemused at the end
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 09, 2015, 12:25:50 PM
Quote from: urbangael on August 09, 2015, 11:14:34 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on August 08, 2015, 11:09:35 PM
Managed two games in the last 24 hours and both were enjoyable.It must be frustrating to be a Ford supporter as the whole is less than the sum of the parts.Dawson did appear clueless but the yellas usually produce at least one good championship performance each year and they were good value for the win. The O'Hagans, Aidan Carr and big Arthur were excellent and maybe Gearoid is potential successor to the man nobody seems to have a good word for
I reckon if the vote was run again he would be out.   Glenn were lucky to beat the Stone; however the fadhians had only themselves to blame for not getting Mark Poland on the ball enough.They still could have won it at the end when Ambrose was bearing down on goal but lost possession and Glenn went down the field for the insurance point.

Aye I've just put the mortgage on them to win the championship!!

Is the mortgage big on the caravan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 09, 2015, 05:54:50 PM
Quote from: gaamann on August 09, 2015, 12:07:17 PM
Thanks Ardtole yes Glenn and Ardglass had a few tight games.09 would have been the start of our minor team coming.Still very young and inexperienced but Longstone are a good championship side and a great win yesterday.Yous had some good players then remember some of them well Magee two Deegans Taggert them lads would have got on any first division team.The year yous finished top of the league and got done in the playoffs was a difficult one to recover from.
Urbangale Glenn have no chance of winning the Championship fools and there money better giving the mortgage money to your ma to mind for you.Feck the begrudgers!!

Ardtole was the graveyard for many a South Down team in the past decade. Ardglass had the quality and the players to play consistently at a higher level but for some reason just didn't get there. Two Deegans, Mick Magee, Liam Mullan and Stephen Smyth were all class acts. Umpteen playoff defeats came your way.

Glasdrumman beat us well in the JFC today. Connaire Harrison is a terrific player. Definitely one of the best attackers in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on August 09, 2015, 07:06:41 PM
Quote from: SamFever on August 09, 2015, 12:28:53 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on August 08, 2015, 11:09:35 PM
Managed two games in the last 24 hours and both were enjoyable.It must be frustrating to be a Ford supporter as the whole is less than the sum of the parts.Dawson did appear clueless but the yellas usually produce at least one good championship performance each year and they were good value for the win. The O'Hagans, Aidan Carr and big Arthur were excellent and maybe Gearoid is potential successor to the man nobody seems to have a good word for
I reckon if the vote was run again he would be out.   Glenn were lucky to beat the Stone; however the fadhians had only themselves to blame for not getting Mark Poland on the ball enough.They still could have won it at the end when Ambrose was bearing down on goal but lost possession and Glenn went down the field for the insurance point.
You are not suggesting that Gearoid Adams is a future Down Manager on the back of a win in the Down SFC?
He was part of Baker Bradley's team, he has managed St Johns in Antrim, he was linked to both the Antrim and Fermanagh jobs and he has been teaching in Down for a number of years so you're right- I wasn't suggesting he was a future Down manager on the back of a win in the Down SFC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 09, 2015, 07:46:04 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on August 09, 2015, 07:06:41 PM
Quote from: SamFever on August 09, 2015, 12:28:53 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on August 08, 2015, 11:09:35 PM
Managed two games in the last 24 hours and both were enjoyable.It must be frustrating to be a Ford supporter as the whole is less than the sum of the parts.Dawson did appear clueless but the yellas usually produce at least one good championship performance each year and they were good value for the win. The O'Hagans, Aidan Carr and big Arthur were excellent and maybe Gearoid is potential successor to the man nobody seems to have a good word for
I reckon if the vote was run again he would be out.   Glenn were lucky to beat the Stone; however the fadhians had only themselves to blame for not getting Mark Poland on the ball enough.They still could have won it at the end when Ambrose was bearing down on goal but lost possession and Glenn went down the field for the insurance point.
You are not suggesting that Gearoid Adams is a future Down Manager on the back of a win in the Down SFC?
He was part of Baker Bradley's team, he has managed St Johns in Antrim, he was linked to both the Antrim and Fermanagh jobs and he has been teaching in Down for a number of years so you're right- I wasn't suggesting he was a future Down manager on the back of a win in the Down SFC
Was teaching in Down!!! Now up in Ballymena for a number of years. He wouldn't get managing Antrim so why would Down take him.Don't get caught up in the surname......... :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tiocfaidh Ned on August 09, 2015, 09:11:24 PM
All square in Newry, extra time to be played. Burren have that wee bit of momentum that could see them win this.

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: one day on August 09, 2015, 09:13:51 PM
Burren are a joke, diving cheating wrestling .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tiocfaidh Ned on August 09, 2015, 09:16:16 PM
Quote from: one day on August 09, 2015, 09:13:51 PM
Burren are a joke, diving cheating wrestling .

It's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Kilcoo aren't exactly angels themselves.

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tiocfaidh Ned on August 09, 2015, 09:43:18 PM
Credit to both teams, that was a belter. Burren 2.13  Kilcoo 2.10

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on August 09, 2015, 10:05:10 PM
Was in Pairc Esler this evening. Who was the ref for the 2nd game? He was pretty poor throughout, taking up to 40 seconds to book a player at times. In my opinion he also cost Kilcoo a deserved victory in normal time, the free he gave Burren in injury was as soft as they come.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on August 09, 2015, 11:42:29 PM
Soft free?? Maybe he was making up for all the Soft ones he gave Laverty and co. Wasn't an easy game to ref but Kilcoo set the tone with their Tiarnan McCann impressions, either that or they were eating grass!!! Kilcoo had Burren beat and didn't put them away. Pull the dogs tail and he will bite u
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on August 10, 2015, 01:04:55 AM
The game had everything.probably two teams more afraid of losing than going all out to win.kilcoo looked the more slick going forward but burren kept within touching distance.they definitely made a statement physicality wise, I don't think one of them took a backwards step tonight.that being said I thought they were nowhere near their best tonight,maybe got too involved in the messing.
  If I had to make a call for them meeting later on in the championship would probably just give it to burren as their main men really didn't show tonight,yet they still got a result.hell of a lot of wrestling and a slight touch of a few fellas trying to get a man sent off,but all in an outstanding contest.special mention to burren no.3,seriously tough footballer!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on August 10, 2015, 01:09:47 AM
Quote from: east down gael on August 10, 2015, 01:04:55 AM
The game had everything.probably two teams more afraid of losing than going all out to win.kilcoo looked the more slick going forward but burren kept within touching distance.they definitely made a statement physicality wise, I don't think one of them took a backwards step tonight.that being said I thought they were nowhere near their best tonight,maybe got too involved in the messing.
  If I had to make a call for them meeting later on in the championship would probably just give it to burren as their main men really didn't show tonight,yet they still got a result.hell of a lot of wrestling and a slight touch of a few fellas trying to get a man sent off,but all in an outstanding contest.special mention to burren no.3,seriously tough footballer!
The no.4 and no.7 for Kilcoo are two very good footballers too.
Was surprised Burren left their no.4 on Jerome Johnston when he was clearly struggling to get close to him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on August 10, 2015, 01:38:47 AM
A lot of good footballers on show tonight.i take your point about the man marking Johnson,but there's no use moving a fella off him if you've nobody better to make him.plenty of times I've played in games were our best defender is taking a roasting,but putting our second best defender on the danger man wouldn't even enter your head.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on August 10, 2015, 02:28:51 AM
Quote from: east down gael on August 10, 2015, 01:38:47 AM
A lot of good footballers on show tonight.i take your point about the man marking Johnson,but there's no use moving a fella off him if you've nobody better to make him.plenty of times I've played in games were our best defender is taking a roasting,but putting our second best defender on the danger man wouldn't even enter your head.
I wouldn't see Burren regularly so I wouldn't know if he's their best defender or not, I get the point you're making though.
Who was the no.7 for Kilcoo? Took his penalty very well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on August 10, 2015, 10:09:13 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 09, 2015, 05:54:50 PM
Quote from: gaamann on August 09, 2015, 12:07:17 PM
Thanks Ardtole yes Glenn and Ardglass had a few tight games.09 would have been the start of our minor team coming.Still very young and inexperienced but Longstone are a good championship side and a great win yesterday.Yous had some good players then remember some of them well Magee two Deegans Taggert them lads would have got on any first division team.The year yous finished top of the league and got done in the playoffs was a difficult one to recover from.
Urbangale Glenn have no chance of winning the Championship fools and there money better giving the mortgage money to your ma to mind for you.Feck the begrudgers!!

Ardtole was the graveyard for many a South Down team in the past decade. Ardglass had the quality and the players to play consistently at a higher level but for some reason just didn't get there. Two Deegans, Mick Magee, Liam Mullan and Stephen Smyth were all class acts. Umpteen playoff defeats came your way.

Glasdrumman beat us well in the JFC today. Connaire Harrison is a terrific player. Definitely one of the best attackers in the county.

Correct me if I am wrong DF but 09 is the year Ardglass reached the IFC semi final after hoking us in the quarter final in Downpatrick? Very physical team who were fit and had an eye for goal, the groundball is good for some things it seems!

Great to see Glenn getting a deserved win the in SFC, doesn't seem a crack from 09 when they were winning the JFC and then playing the likes of ourselves, Ardglass, Saul and Bredagh in the following years.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 10, 2015, 12:42:49 PM
I think it was 09 alright clutch. We would have had Philly Gill, Eamonn McEvoy, Stevie Smith, Clifford Connor,  Mick Magee, 2 Teggarts, 2 Deegans, Liam Mullan, Peter Kelly, Aaron Beattie, Sean Paul Halpin, Malachy Crangle, all strong players, in hindsight that team underachieved, and were unlucky too in playoffs, particulary against Glenn one year before the all ireland minor final in st johns and against Banbridge in kilcoo i think. 

We struggled badly for the past 4/5 years with most of the above players moving on for one reason or another, but we have quite a young team now and starting to progress again, I think the leagues reverting to four divisions will benefit their development also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on August 10, 2015, 02:08:02 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on August 09, 2015, 11:42:29 PM
Soft free?? Maybe he was making up for all the Soft ones he gave Laverty and co. Wasn't an easy game to ref but Kilcoo set the tone with their Tiarnan McCann impressions, either that or they were eating grass!!! Kilcoo had Burren beat and didn't put them away. Pull the dogs tail and he will bite u

Two wrongs don't make a right. Thought the ref was poor enough, a serious amount of wrestling going on throughout and he did nothing to try and stop it. At one point booked a player from each team who weren't involved in it. Burren no.18 should have got a second yellow at the start of the second half for sinking the boot in Jerome Johnson. Laverty collapsed at the slightest touch.

McKernan was anonymous apart from the lucky goal. Burren full forward won an awful lot of ball but didn't really have the support coming of him to lay it off. Thought Kilcoo were the better team until the second half of extra time. Brought on two young lads who looked far too light to make an impact. No 4 Daryl Brannigan man of the match for me, unlucky not to have a goal after a great run.

Why was Steven Kane dropped?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Club Rossa on August 10, 2015, 03:26:01 PM
Is there a back door in the Down championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dulaney on August 10, 2015, 04:04:19 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on August 10, 2015, 03:26:01 PM
Is there a back door in the Down championship?
Short answer is Yes. After the first round of fixtures there will be 8 teams who won and 8 teams who lost. The eight winning teams play each other for a place in the 1/4 finals meanwhile the 8 losing teams play each other. The 4 teams defeated that didn't reach the 1/4 finals then play the 4 successful teams from the losing group for the remaining 4 places in the 1/4 finals. Clear as mud I know but at the minute no team has actually been knocked out of the senior club championship in Down. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Club Rossa on August 10, 2015, 04:16:17 PM
Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on August 10, 2015, 05:37:49 PM
Really enjoyed the second game last night. Burren were lucky in the end to get the win but mentality it will be massive for them. Kilcoo still have the best team in Down and Stevie Kane and PD will be some help to their side.
We have a lot of work to do but we are happy to beat a resilient Saval side. Benny moving to full forward worked a treat while Conleth O'Hare was a constant threat throughout.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 10, 2015, 06:45:37 PM
Burren got lucky last night and I said previously that hammering the lessor teams would mean nothing when it comes to playing Kilcoo.  I don't think that trying to mix it with Kilcoo helped Burren either, they got caught up in stuff instead of playing their own game.

The two Brannigans are two of the best corner backs in the county and the younger brother at half back had McKernan in his pocket all night.  They also had a bit of help with plenty of numbers filtering back, contrast this with Burrens naivety giving Jerome acres of space to move into.  Jerome has any amount of pace and is a good finisher so he should kick on and become a county regular next year.   Like many of the Burren forwards Ryan Johnston has all the attributes but flatters to deceive and was quiet for parts of the game last night.  Laverty was also well marshalled.

The first game was over as a contest once Saval received a harsh sending off.  For the life of me I don't understand why Mayobridge don't have Benny on the edge of the square permanently.  He is still one of the most dangerous players in the county and offers so much more from FF rather than midfield.

Does anyone know can Burren and Kilcoo meet again before the final or is it like the county back door where Tyrone couldn't meet Donegal again in the qualifiers having previously played them in the Ulster championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 10, 2015, 10:12:50 PM
2nd Round

SFC
Group A
Burren v Liatriom
Glenn v CPN
Castlewellan v Mayobridge
Clonduff v Rostrevor

Group B
Downpatick v Longstone
Annaclone v Ballyholland
Bryansford v Saval
Kilcoo v Clann Na Banna

IFC
Group A
Loughinisland v Ballymartin
Saul v Drumaness
Bredagh v St John's
An Riocht v Darragh Cross

Group B
Drumgath v Newry Shamrocks
Tullylish v Dromara
Atticall v St John Bosco
Carryduff v Kilclief
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 11, 2015, 11:35:54 AM
When is the 2nd round of championship games to be played?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 11, 2015, 01:22:53 PM
Quote from: Dulaney on August 10, 2015, 04:04:19 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on August 10, 2015, 03:26:01 PM
Is there a back door in the Down championship?
Short answer is Yes. After the first round of fixtures there will be 8 teams who won and 8 teams who lost. The eight winning teams play each other for a place in the 1/4 finals meanwhile the 8 losing teams play each other. The 4 teams defeated that didn't reach the 1/4 finals then play the 4 successful teams from the losing group for the remaining 4 places in the 1/4 finals. Clear as mud I know but at the minute no team has actually been knocked out of the senior club championship in Down.

TBH,
    That doesn't seem to be a bad system. You're guaranteed at least two games, lose your first and you've another crack at it against a team in the same position keeping it competitive.
The first round winners also have something to play for in their next game, albeit there's still a safety net of another go if you're beat and no dead rubbers.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on August 11, 2015, 01:41:50 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 09, 2015, 12:11:04 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on August 08, 2015, 11:09:35 PM
Managed two games in the last 24 hours and both were enjoyable.It must be frustrating to be a Ford supporter as the whole is less than the sum of the parts.Dawson did appear clueless but the yellas usually produce at least one good championship performance each year and they were good value for the win. The O'Hagans, Aidan Carr and big Arthur were excellent and maybe Gearoid is potential successor to the man nobody seems to have a good word for
I reckon if the vote was run again he would be out.   Glenn were lucky to beat the Stone; however the fadhians had only themselves to blame for not getting Mark Poland on the ball enough.They still could have won it at the end when Ambrose was bearing down on goal but lost possession and Glenn went down the field for the insurance point.

Whats the point in even entering it then if you've no chance in winning!!  Your luck will maybe run out in the next round!  Dont worry you'll soon be meeting your old friends Ardglass in a few years but at least you'll have decent facilities!!

Ahh feck sake Charile Tully The caravan went up in smoke with Fran the Man #lovehate
Glenn where ahead the whole game but yeah must have been luck  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 11, 2015, 10:39:04 PM
Quote from: urbangael on August 11, 2015, 01:41:50 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 09, 2015, 12:11:04 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on August 08, 2015, 11:09:35 PM
Managed two games in the last 24 hours and both were enjoyable.It must be frustrating to be a Ford supporter as the whole is less than the sum of the parts.Dawson did appear clueless but the yellas usually produce at least one good championship performance each year and they were good value for the win. The O'Hagans, Aidan Carr and big Arthur were excellent and maybe Gearoid is potential successor to the man nobody seems to have a good word for
I reckon if the vote was run again he would be out.   Glenn were lucky to beat the Stone; however the fadhians had only themselves to blame for not getting Mark Poland on the ball enough.They still could have won it at the end when Ambrose was bearing down on goal but lost possession and Glenn went down the field for the insurance point.

Whats the point in even entering it then if you've no chance in winning!!  Your luck will maybe run out in the next round!  Dont worry you'll soon be meeting your old friends Ardglass in a few years but at least you'll have decent facilities!!

Ahh feck sake Charile Tully The caravan went up in smoke with Fran the Man #lovehate
Glenn where ahead the whole game but yeah must have been luck  ;)


ah urban just take your medicine like a man .  :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 12, 2015, 06:15:26 PM
Championship fixtures for next weekend

Thursday August 20th
Venue: Burren
6.30pm Tullylish v Dromara
8.00pm Bryansford v Saval

Friday August 21st
Venue: Pairc Esler
6.30pm Burren v Liatroim
8.00pm Clonduff v Rostrevor

Saturday August 22nd
Venue: Clonduff
2.00pm Annaclone v Ballyholland
3.45pm Longstone v RGU

Venue: Castlewellan
5.30pm Ballymartin v Loughinisland
7.00pm Kilcoo v Clann na Banna

Sunday August 23rd
Venue: Liatroim
2.00pm Shamrocks v Drumgath
3.30pm Attical v Bosco

Venue: Downpatrick
2.00pm Carryduff v Kilclief
3.30pm Saul v Drumaness

Venue: Pairc Esler
6.00pm Glenn v CPN
7.45pm Castlewellan v Mayobridge

Monday August 24th
Venue: St.Patrick's Pk
6.30pm Bredagh v St.John's
8.00pm An Riocht v Darragh Cross.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on August 13, 2015, 12:59:51 PM
Trying to make travel arrangements and would like to know what dates the club football semi-finals and final are scheduled for - Cannot find it on the Down GAA website
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 13, 2015, 04:23:38 PM
Senior and Junior Finals are to be on Oct11th.Int/Minor 4th. S/ F's of Senior and Junior are on weekend 25-27th Sept with the Semis of Minor and Intermediate the weekend before which is AIF weekend.  I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on August 13, 2015, 09:53:43 PM
Wobbler - Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 13, 2015, 10:14:25 PM
Glenn gave Burren as tough a league game as they've had this season tonite and were leading for large parts of the game but Burrens quality in the forward line saw them home in the end. I've never seen a Glenn team work as hard as they did tonite and Shay Miller tormented the Burren back line with his pace into space and direct running.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 13, 2015, 10:33:24 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 13, 2015, 10:14:25 PM
Glenn gave Burren as tough a league game as they've had this season tonite and were leading for large parts of the game but Burrens quality in the forward line saw them home in the end. I've never seen a Glenn team work as hard as they did tonite and Shay Miller tormented the Burren back line with his pace into space and direct running.

Glenn's awful pitch and even worse dressing rooms certainly give them a massive advantage and it is very obvious from their results that they dominate many teams at home but aren't nearly as strong on the road.  Their game was at home tonite btw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on August 14, 2015, 12:20:51 AM
Dressing rooms?? Are you serious? FFS wise up and catch yerself on. Fair play to the Glenn lads, doing great work. Shite pitch right nuff though!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 14, 2015, 01:06:56 AM
Changing 30+ senior players in a room made for a dozen youngsters is wonderful preparation for a match alright  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 14, 2015, 01:29:32 AM
 :'(

Calling it as it is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on August 14, 2015, 07:15:31 AM
Have to agree with line ball on this one but fair play to Glenn they'll use anything they can to get a slight advantage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on August 14, 2015, 09:03:03 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 14, 2015, 01:06:56 AM
Changing 30+ senior players in a room made for a dozen youngsters is wonderful preparation for a match alright  ::)

Glenn were one of the first clubs to develop their facilities years ago. Like almost all clubs , their facilities could do with an upgrade, but the economic downturn, and drying up of external funding has prevented clubs from action ing their wish list for facilities development. Glenn obviously made the decision that when other clubs were developing facilities pre-2008 when fundraising was much easier, that they would invest in the playing development of their youth. Fair play to them, they are now reaping some reward for years of hard work. I'm sure they'll develop their facilities when they are in a position to do so, but it seems to me they have had their priorities right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 14, 2015, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 14, 2015, 01:06:56 AM
Changing 30+ senior players in a room made for a dozen youngsters is wonderful preparation for a match alright  ::)

It's the exact same for both teams,so your point is invalid.. As has been said on the forum already,yes the changing facilities aren't ideal,but we have to make do with what we have at the minute. Maybe it's just me but I'm getting a vibe on here that there seems to be a bit of jealousy towards Glenn as they are a small club which currently seems to be holding their own quite well in division one at the expense of what some would say more well established clubs.  They are a very young and relatively inexperienced team  and if they can hang around for another year or two they could  very well push on up the table.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tiocfaidh Ned on August 14, 2015, 06:07:16 PM
Shamrocks have great facilities, just saying like.  ::)

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 14, 2015, 06:08:58 PM
There will always be a few begrudgers but most people would applaud Glenn for their recent success.Keeping it going will be a tougher task though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 14, 2015, 07:54:13 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 14, 2015, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 14, 2015, 01:06:56 AM
Changing 30+ senior players in a room made for a dozen youngsters is wonderful preparation for a match alright  ::)

It's the exact same for both teams,so your point is invalid.. As has been said on the forum already,yes the changing facilities aren't ideal,but we have to make do with what we have at the minute. Maybe it's just me but I'm getting a vibe on here that there seems to be a bit of jealousy towards Glenn as they are a small club which currently seems to be holding their own quite well in division one at the expense of what some would say more well established clubs.  They are a very young and relatively inexperienced team  and if they can hang around for another year or two they could  very well push on up the table.

I have a soft spot for Glenn. A few relatives of mine would have been involved with the club down through the years and I believe my father, who played for Saval, would have worn the black and amber back in the day when the two clubs had to amalgamate at various stages mostly at underage level. I'm also old enough to remember Glenn contesting senior championships and providing 4 or 5 starters for the county team. Paddy Kennedy, Mark Turley, Jim and John McCartan, Eddie Gallagher, etc, etc. Small club my arse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on August 14, 2015, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 14, 2015, 07:54:13 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 14, 2015, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 14, 2015, 01:06:56 AM
Changing 30+ senior players in a room made for a dozen youngsters is wonderful preparation for a match alright  ::)

It's the exact same for both teams,so your point is invalid.. As has been said on the forum already,yes the changing facilities aren't ideal,but we have to make do with what we have at the minute. Maybe it's just me but I'm getting a vibe on here that there seems to be a bit of jealousy towards Glenn as they are a small club which currently seems to be holding their own quite well in division one at the expense of what some would say more well established clubs.  They are a very young and relatively inexperienced team  and if they can hang around for another year or two they could  very well push on up the table.

I have a soft spot for Glenn. A few relatives of mine would have been involved with the club down through the years and I believe my father, who played for Saval, would have worn the black and amber back in the day when the two clubs had to amalgamate at various stages mostly at underage level. I'm also old enough to remember Glenn contesting senior championships and providing 4 or 5 starters for the county team. Paddy Kennedy, Mark Turley, Jim and John McCartan, Eddie Gallagher, etc, etc. Small club my arse.
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All the above may be true bar your last comment...Glen are a club punching well above their weight and fair play to them for that and long may it continue. They are a small club doing well, good luck to them, but they remain a small club in all senses of the word.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on August 14, 2015, 09:59:45 PM
Lineball have you anything positive to say about any club your posts are usually negative must have been one hell of a uphill paper round you had lighten up lad....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 14, 2015, 10:50:09 PM
Glenn are getting great coverage on this auld site, what a team doing great things, progressing their football etc. Bans for their management, bans for their players, 2 abandoned games yet they are on here lording the fact they are maintaining Div1! Any many clubs put lots of hard work into developing their underage, how did that stop any club facility progression, don't get me wrong it's not terrible but it's not adequate either. We can't all have the top facilities but Kilcoo at least have decent space for an adult team. I'm not a begrudger of Glenn but facts are facts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 14, 2015, 11:00:31 PM
I don't agree with the stuff that Glenn are getting up to this year...some of it is horrible and despicable...doesn't take away from what they have achieved lately and in the past football wise. Bit like Tyrone I suppose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 14, 2015, 11:04:10 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 14, 2015, 10:50:09 PM
Glenn are getting great coverage on this auld site, what a team doing great things, progressing their football etc. Bans for their management, bans for their players, 2 abandoned games yet they are on here lording the fact they are maintaining Div1! Any many clubs put lots of hard work into developing their underage, how did that stop any club facility progression, don't get me wrong it's not terrible but it's not adequate either. We can't all have the top facilities but Kilcoo at least have decent space for an adult team. I'm not a begrudger of Glenn but facts are facts.

Good man Tommy. Any chance of a translation there? Is English your first language?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on August 14, 2015, 11:45:32 PM
Can anyone explain how promotion relegation works for the league getting restructured?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 07:38:20 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 14, 2015, 11:00:31 PM
I don't agree with the stuff that Glenn are getting up to this year...some of it is horrible and despicable...doesn't take away from what they have achieved lately and in the past football wise. Bit like Tyrone I suppose.

Coming from a ballyholland man that holds little or no weight .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 15, 2015, 08:40:32 AM
Good man Tommy. Any chance of a translation there? Is English your first language?
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Sams I didn't read the terms and conditions correctly there, missed the part which said all messages had to conform to a certain standard. Good swerve on the content though, does not take away from the fact Glenn players and management are a disgrace to the club and county with their antics this year. County Board made a mess of the whole situation and now are out of options. I wouldn't bring a 7's team to them changing rooms!

Anyone know why Annaclone/Ballyholland called off?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 15, 2015, 08:40:32 AM
Good man Tommy. Any chance of a translation there? Is English your first language?

Sams I didn't read the terms and conditions correctly there, missed the part which said all messages had to conform to a certain standard. Good swerve on the content though, does not take away from the fact Glenn players and management are a disgrace to the club and county with their antics this year. County Board made a mess of the whole situation and now are out of options. I wouldn't bring a 7's team to them changing rooms!

Anyone know why Annaclone/Ballyholland called off?
[/quote]

Tommy quick question , were you at either of Two games Glenn were involved in ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 15, 2015, 10:37:12 AM
Ahhhh ffs don't go poking the ballyholland crew again. Things had just died down after their most recent episode. We'll have to listen to the cribbin all over again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 15, 2015, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 14, 2015, 11:00:31 PM
I don't agree with the stuff that Glenn are getting up to this year...some of it is horrible and despicable...doesn't take away from what they have achieved lately and in the past football wise. Bit like Tyrone I suppose.
What are you referring to when you mention their past achievements ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 11:22:26 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on August 15, 2015, 11:03:14 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 14, 2015, 11:00:31 PM
I don't agree with the stuff that Glenn are getting up to this year...some of it is horrible and despicable...doesn't take away from what they have achieved lately and in the past football wise. Bit like Tyrone I suppose.
What are you referring to when you mention their past achievements ?

Senior championship wins maybe ..😏
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on August 15, 2015, 03:08:46 PM
Just looking at some of the results from division 2 from last night. Absolute cricket scores. Loughinisland put 12-15 past Drumgath?! What's going on there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 15, 2015, 08:40:32 AM
Good man Tommy. Any chance of a translation there? Is English your first language?

Sams I didn't read the terms and conditions correctly there, missed the part which said all messages had to conform to a certain standard. Good swerve on the content though, does not take away from the fact Glenn players and management are a disgrace to the club and county with their antics this year. County Board made a mess of the whole situation and now are out of options. I wouldn't bring a 7's team to them changing rooms!

Anyone know why Annaclone/Ballyholland called off?


Tommy, steady on with anything negative about Glenn.  Don't you know you can't criticise them on here?  Actually some people think that you are not allowed to post negatively about anything, they must fail to understand the concept of this board and what it is all about - DISCUSSION. It's obviously too difficult for some to accept.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 15, 2015, 09:53:31 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 15, 2015, 08:40:32 AM
Good man Tommy. Any chance of a translation there? Is English your first language?

Sams I didn't read the terms and conditions correctly there, missed the part which said all messages had to conform to a certain standard. Good swerve on the content though, does not take away from the fact Glenn players and management are a disgrace to the club and county with their antics this year. County Board made a mess of the whole situation and now are out of options. I wouldn't bring a 7's team to them changing rooms!

Anyone know why Annaclone/Ballyholland called off?
[/quote]

Yes and its none of your business.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 10:48:36 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 15, 2015, 08:40:32 AM
Good man Tommy. Any chance of a translation there? Is English your first language?

Sams I didn't read the terms and conditions correctly there, missed the part which said all messages had to conform to a certain standard. Good swerve on the content though, does not take away from the fact Glenn players and management are a disgrace to the club and county with their antics this year. County Board made a mess of the whole situation and now are out of options. I wouldn't bring a 7's team to them changing rooms!

Anyone know why Annaclone/Ballyholland called off?


Tommy, steady on with anything negative about Glenn.  Don't you know you can't criticise them on here?  Actually some people think that you are not allowed to post negatively about anything, they must fail to understand the concept of this board and what it is all about - DISCUSSION. It's obviously too difficult for some to accept.

Line ball Glenn have a poor record away this year but last year beat Rostrevor , Hiltown and liatroim on the road, how did the size of their changing facilities and pitch affect them three performances ? Discuss
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 11:02:08 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 10:48:36 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 15, 2015, 08:40:32 AM
Good man Tommy. Any chance of a translation there? Is English your first language?

Sams I didn't read the terms and conditions correctly there, missed the part which said all messages had to conform to a certain standard. Good swerve on the content though, does not take away from the fact Glenn players and management are a disgrace to the club and county with their antics this year. County Board made a mess of the whole situation and now are out of options. I wouldn't bring a 7's team to them changing rooms!

Anyone know why Annaclone/Ballyholland called off?


Tommy, steady on with anything negative about Glenn.  Don't you know you can't criticise them on here?  Actually some people think that you are not allowed to post negatively about anything, they must fail to understand the concept of this board and what it is all about - DISCUSSION. It's obviously too difficult for some to accept.

Line ball Glenn have a poor record away this year but last year beat Rostrevor , Hiltown and liatroim on the road, how did the size of their changing facilities and pitch affect them three performances ? Discuss

REPLY
Line ball Glenn have a poor record away this year but last year  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Live in the present my boyo, not the past.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 11:15:53 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 11:02:08 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 10:48:36 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 15, 2015, 08:40:32 AM
Good man Tommy. Any chance of a translation there? Is English your first language?

Sams I didn't read the terms and conditions correctly there, missed the part which said all messages had to conform to a certain standard. Good swerve on the content though, does not take away from the fact Glenn players and management are a disgrace to the club and county with their antics this year. County Board made a mess of the whole situation and now are out of options. I wouldn't bring a 7's team to them changing rooms!

Anyone know why Annaclone/Ballyholland called off?


Tommy, steady on with anything negative about Glenn.  Don't you know you can't criticise them on here?  Actually some people think that you are not allowed to post negatively about anything, they must fail to understand the concept of this board and what it is all about - DISCUSSION. It's obviously too difficult for some to accept.

Line ball Glenn have a poor record away this year but last year beat Rostrevor , Hiltown and liatroim on the road, how did the size of their changing facilities and pitch affect them three performances ? Discuss

REPLY
Line ball Glenn have a poor record away this year but last year  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Live in the present my boyo, not the past.

Basing your statement (that Glenn's pitch and facilities was winning them games) on just one season was kinda dumb though . Do your research or you end up looking silly . And we are all about the future here , get used to looking at us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 15, 2015, 11:23:52 PM
Ballyholland appealed suspensions to their players, and rather the county board let the players play under appeal they called the game off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 11:49:29 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 11:15:53 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 11:02:08 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 10:48:36 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 15, 2015, 08:40:32 AM
Good man Tommy. Any chance of a translation there? Is English your first language?

Sams I didn't read the terms and conditions correctly there, missed the part which said all messages had to conform to a certain standard. Good swerve on the content though, does not take away from the fact Glenn players and management are a disgrace to the club and county with their antics this year. County Board made a mess of the whole situation and now are out of options. I wouldn't bring a 7's team to them changing rooms!

Anyone know why Annaclone/Ballyholland called off?


Tommy, steady on with anything negative about Glenn.  Don't you know you can't criticise them on here?  Actually some people think that you are not allowed to post negatively about anything, they must fail to understand the concept of this board and what it is all about - DISCUSSION. It's obviously too difficult for some to accept.

Line ball Glenn have a poor record away this year but last year beat Rostrevor , Hiltown and liatroim on the road, how did the size of their changing facilities and pitch affect them three performances ? Discuss

REPLY
Line ball Glenn have a poor record away this year but last year  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Live in the present my boyo, not the past.

Basing your statement (that Glenn's pitch and facilities was winning them games) on just one season was kinda dumb though . Do your research or you end up looking silly . And we are all about the future here , get used to looking at us

Glens results 2015:

Beat Downpatrick at home
Beat Banbridge away on an even worse pitch than Glens
Drew with Clonduff at home
Beaten by Saval away
Beat Liatroim well at home
Beaten well by Bryansford away
Beat Castlewellan at home
Beaten by Longstone away
Beat Rostrevor at home
Beaten by Burren at home
add in two abandoned games???????

11 games finished (I won't say played) according to Down website
6 games played at home winning 4 and drawing 1
4 games played away winning 1
Friday 31st Jul 2015
7 30 PM   Ballyholland   BALLYHOLLAND 0-0   -   0-0 GLENN   Fearghal Laverty
Glenn had -1 points deducted. Annaclone had -1 points deducted. For the following reason: CCC Meeting 2nd June

Now you tell me how your awful pitch and even worse dressing rooms are not an advantage to you?  I'm not even going to start on your abysmal disciplinary record this year but I would be interested in how you are going to try and defend that one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on August 16, 2015, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 11:49:29 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 11:15:53 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 11:02:08 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 10:48:36 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 15, 2015, 08:40:32 AM
Good man Tommy. Any chance of a translation there? Is English your first language?

Sams I didn't read the terms and conditions correctly there, missed the part which said all messages had to conform to a certain standard. Good swerve on the content though, does not take away from the fact Glenn players and management are a disgrace to the club and county with their antics this year. County Board made a mess of the whole situation and now are out of options. I wouldn't bring a 7's team to them changing rooms!

Anyone know why Annaclone/Ballyholland called off?


Tommy, steady on with anything negative about Glenn.  Don't you know you can't criticise them on here?  Actually some people think that you are not allowed to post negatively about anything, they must fail to understand the concept of this board and what it is all about - DISCUSSION. It's obviously too difficult for some to accept.

Line ball Glenn have a poor record away this year but last year beat Rostrevor , Hiltown and liatroim on the road, how did the size of their changing facilities and pitch affect them three performances ? Discuss

REPLY
Line ball Glenn have a poor record away this year but last year  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Live in the present my boyo, not the past.

Basing your statement (that Glenn's pitch and facilities was winning them games) on just one season was kinda dumb though . Do your research or you end up looking silly . And we are all about the future here , get used to looking at us

Glens results 2015:

Beat Downpatrick at home
Beat Banbridge away on an even worse pitch than Glens
Drew with Clonduff at home
Beaten by Saval away
Beat Liatroim well at home
Beaten well by Bryansford away
Beat Castlewellan at home
Beaten by Longstone away
Beat Rostrevor at home
Beaten by Burren at home
add in two abandoned games???????

11 games finished (I won't say played) according to Down website
6 games played at home winning 4 and drawing 1
4 games played away winning 1
Friday 31st Jul 2015
7 30 PM   Ballyholland   BALLYHOLLAND 0-0   -   0-0 GLENN   Fearghal Laverty
Glenn had -1 points deducted. Annaclone had -1 points deducted. For the following reason: CCC Meeting 2nd June

Now you tell me how your awful pitch and even worse dressing rooms are not an advantage to you?  I'm not even going to start on your abysmal disciplinary record this year but I would be interested in how you are going to try and defend that one.

Another way of looking at it is:
6 games against teams in the bottom half of division 1 - 5 wins and 1 defeat
5 games against teams in the top half - 1 draw and 4 defeats

There are many other factors to be considered other than changing rooms. I guess we will know more next year though when teams play each other home and away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 16, 2015, 12:16:14 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 11:49:29 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 11:15:53 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 11:02:08 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 10:48:36 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 15, 2015, 08:40:32 AM
Good man Tommy. Any chance of a translation there? Is English your first language?

Sams I didn't read the terms and conditions correctly there, missed the part which said all messages had to conform to a certain standard. Good swerve on the content though, does not take away from the fact Glenn players and management are a disgrace to the club and county with their antics this year. County Board made a mess of the whole situation and now are out of options. I wouldn't bring a 7's team to them changing rooms!

Anyone know why Annaclone/Ballyholland called off?


Tommy, steady on with anything negative about Glenn.  Don't you know you can't criticise them on here?  Actually some people think that you are not allowed to post negatively about anything, they must fail to understand the concept of this board and what it is all about - DISCUSSION. It's obviously too difficult for some to accept.

Line ball Glenn have a poor record away this year but last year beat Rostrevor , Hiltown and liatroim on the road, how did the size of their changing facilities and pitch affect them three performances ? Discuss

REPLY
Line ball Glenn have a poor record away this year but last year  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Live in the present my boyo, not the past.

Basing your statement (that Glenn's pitch and facilities was winning them games) on just one season was kinda dumb though . Do your research or you end up looking silly . And we are all about the future here , get used to looking at us

Glens results 2015:

Beat Downpatrick at home
Beat Banbridge away on an even worse pitch than Glens
Drew with Clonduff at home
Beaten by Saval away
Beat Liatroim well at home
Beaten well by Bryansford away
Beat Castlewellan at home
Beaten by Longstone away
Beat Rostrevor at home
Beaten by Burren at home
add in two abandoned games???????

11 games finished (I won't say played) according to Down website
6 games played at home winning 4 and drawing 1
4 games played away winning 1
Friday 31st Jul 2015
7 30 PM   Ballyholland   BALLYHOLLAND 0-0   -   0-0 GLENN   Fearghal Laverty
Glenn had -1 points deducted. Annaclone had -1 points deducted. For the following reason: CCC Meeting 2nd June

Now you tell me how your awful pitch and even worse dressing rooms are not an advantage to you?  I'm not even going to start on your abysmal disciplinary record this year but I would be interested in how you are going to try and defend that one.

You must have some serious issues with Glenn to go to all that bother.. Also part of your seemingly well informed information is wrong.. Glenn nor Annaclone were deducted points.. See you in Saval on Monday night..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on August 16, 2015, 12:24:48 AM
 Line Ball the county board are replaying the Glenn Annaclone fixture on Monday night, they came to this decision after they viewed the DVD of the game including the incident in its entirety.No Glenn players or management were suspended in connection with the incident that's a fact.When they viewed the DVD they came to the decision that the referee should not have abandoned the game and it should be replayed.These are facts Line Ball not rumour or hearsay worse things happened in some of the games played last weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 16, 2015, 12:56:02 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 11:49:29 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 11:15:53 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 11:02:08 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 10:48:36 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 15, 2015, 09:25:47 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 15, 2015, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 15, 2015, 08:40:32 AM
Good man Tommy. Any chance of a translation there? Is English your first language?

Sams I didn't read the terms and conditions correctly there, missed the part which said all messages had to conform to a certain standard. Good swerve on the content though, does not take away from the fact Glenn players and management are a disgrace to the club and county with their antics this year. County Board made a mess of the whole situation and now are out of options. I wouldn't bring a 7's team to them changing rooms!

Anyone know why Annaclone/Ballyholland called off?


Tommy, steady on with anything negative about Glenn.  Don't you know you can't criticise them on here?  Actually some people think that you are not allowed to post negatively about anything, they must fail to understand the concept of this board and what it is all about - DISCUSSION. It's obviously too difficult for some to accept.

Line ball Glenn have a poor record away this year but last year beat Rostrevor , Hiltown and liatroim on the road, how did the size of their changing facilities and pitch affect them three performances ? Discuss

REPLY
Line ball Glenn have a poor record away this year but last year  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Live in the present my boyo, not the past.

Basing your statement (that Glenn's pitch and facilities was winning them games) on just one season was kinda dumb though . Do your research or you end up looking silly . And we are all about the future here , get used to looking at us

Glens results 2015:

Beat Downpatrick at home
Beat Banbridge away on an even worse pitch than Glens
Drew with Clonduff at home
Beaten by Saval away
Beat Liatroim well at home
Beaten well by Bryansford away
Beat Castlewellan at home
Beaten by Longstone away
Beat Rostrevor at home
Beaten by Burren at home
add in two abandoned games???????

11 games finished (I won't say played) according to Down website
6 games played at home winning 4 and drawing 1
4 games played away winning 1
Friday 31st Jul 2015
7 30 PM   Ballyholland   BALLYHOLLAND 0-0   -   0-0 GLENN   Fearghal Laverty
Glenn had -1 points deducted. Annaclone had -1 points deducted. For the following reason: CCC Meeting 2nd June

Now you tell me how your awful pitch and even worse dressing rooms are not an advantage to you?  I'm not even going to start on your abysmal disciplinary record this year but I would be interested in how you are going to try and defend that one.

Line ball , I would imagine most teams win more home than away , but I can't be bothered looking through the results to back that up , the only disappointing result there is the long stone one but we put that to bed on a neutral pitch a week ago , so basically all top
Half teams beat us at their home pitch , no shame in that . Mentality and hard work wins games , the rest is smoke and mirrors 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 16, 2015, 07:05:18 AM
No wonder Glenn's players and management have acted in this manner if their supporters are anything to go by, this discussion board is full of Glenn nonsense, side stepping and defending the indefensible! How can anyone escape the fact Glenn have had 2 abandoned games this year: jealous of them, not in the slightest. Jealousy is born from wanting something someone else has, crap facilities, bitter management and a 'one-in all-in we're losing' attitude. If less time was spent on here defending their actions and openness to admit these failings maybe your club would receive more positive comments.

Reference the so called appeal and video - Did you see it? I'm informed the video gets the technicality that the referee abandoned without waiting the correct time, hence the ccc decision. It does show all of Glenn management enter the field and running to the fight, do not make out like it didn't happen you foolish child. Do not let the technicality of the decision reflect the real events. Post a copy of the video on YouTube sure, let others decide but doubt you have enough balls for that!!

Ha, innocent poor little Glenn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 16, 2015, 09:38:56 AM
Yes and its none of your business.
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Sam5, that short shrift must mean the reason for getting it called off wasn't exactly the real reason, perhaps too many lads not available for another reason? Very late notification as well, maybe you can enlighten everyone.

Longstone have fairly turned things around this last few weeks, good few positive results. No real surprises in league Friday night though. Castlewellan appear to be off form recently too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on August 16, 2015, 10:14:59 AM
Terrifictommy not saying that Glenn didn't get involved with Annaclone that night yes there was a melee.What I am saying is that it has been blown out of proportion yes I have seen the DVD so I am not relying on what someone else told me.Stick to the facts at a hearing a panel watched the incident and decided the game should not have been abandoned nobody received a suspension as a result of the melee please try keeping your comments factual.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 16, 2015, 10:48:25 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 16, 2015, 07:05:18 AM
No wonder Glenn's players and management have acted in this manner if their supporters are anything to go by, this discussion board is full of Glenn nonsense, side stepping and defending the indefensible! How can anyone escape the fact Glenn have had 2 abandoned games this year: jealous of them, not in the slightest. Jealousy is born from wanting something someone else has, crap facilities, bitter management and a 'one-in all-in we're losing' attitude. If less time was spent on here defending their actions and openness to admit these failings maybe your club would receive more positive comments.

Reference the so called appeal and video - Did you see it? I'm informed the video gets the technicality that the referee abandoned without waiting the correct time, hence the ccc decision. It does show all of Glenn management enter the field and running to the fight, do not make out like it didn't happen you foolish child. Do not let the technicality of the decision reflect the real events. Post a copy of the video on YouTube sure, let others decide but doubt you have enough balls for that!!

Ha, innocent poor little Glenn.

Tommy you are relying on second hand info , that's your main mistake . Unless you were at both games you are just speculating . Who is your club out of interest ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 16, 2015, 11:08:43 AM
I was at the Annaclone v Glenn game and my comments are made up of fact. Take all emotion out of the situation and put down the facts then. If we stick to what was shown on video/ccc hearing are we also saying the Annaclone player did not strike? I doubt it fellas. If you have seen the video you will know the clear facts, however flouting around the fact the ref called it too early tries to indemnify that 2 Glenn managers assaulted and took an Annaclone player to the floor, followed by subs. Why should a ref have to deal with that nonsense? As for the Ballyholland game I was not there not do I care however regardless of the finer detail Glenn were loosing in the last stages and a game was abandoned. It's called a trend! Things happen on the field regularly and that's where it should be left.

I've said before I like what Glenn brought to Div1 last year but this is not creditable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 16, 2015, 11:21:02 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 16, 2015, 11:08:43 AM
I was at the Annaclone v Glenn game and my comments are made up of fact. Take all emotion out of the situation and put down the facts then. If we stick to what was shown on video/ccc hearing are we also saying the Annaclone player did not strike? I doubt it fellas. If you have seen the video you will know the clear facts, however flouting around the fact the ref called it too early tries to indemnify that 2 Glenn managers assaulted and took an Annaclone player to the floor, followed by subs. Why should a ref have to deal with that nonsense? As for the Ballyholland game I was not there not do I care however regardless of the finer detail Glenn were loosing in the last stages and a game was abandoned. It's called a trend! Things happen on the field regularly and that's where it should be left.

I've said before I like what Glenn brought to Div1 last year but this is not creditable.

After that spiel of complete and utter rubbish I am kicking myself for engaging you in the first place . See you tomorrow .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 16, 2015, 10:42:34 PM
I see there were 4 walkovers in the 8 RFC fixtures this weekend.

Between this, and a D2 team conceding 11 goals on Friday night, I'm starting to conclude that there are just too many clubs in our county, and that the playing pool is being spread too thin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 16, 2015, 10:48:57 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 16, 2015, 10:42:34 PM
I see there were 4 walkovers in the 8 RFC fixtures this weekend.

Between this, and a D2 team conceding 11 goals on Friday night, I'm starting to conclude that there are just too many clubs in our county, and that the playing pool is being spread too thin.

Maybe it's more to do with the player drain where clubs have lost so many players to both Australia and America never mind the lads still going over to England to work?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 16, 2015, 10:53:46 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 16, 2015, 10:42:34 PM
I see there were 4 walkovers in the 8 RFC fixtures this weekend.

Between this, and a D2 team conceding 11 goals on Friday night, I'm starting to conclude that there are just too many clubs in our county, and that the playing pool is being spread too thin.

JFC took place before RFC this year and had impact on the availability of a number of our players.
If the rules were tweaked for the PRFC and RFC regarding player eligibility then it might make it a bit easier on the clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 16, 2015, 11:05:41 PM
I know what you mean Down Fanatic.

But I still think you're approaching it a bit inside out. There has to be some form of strong delineation between reserve and senior football. Tweaking the rules can't really allow more than a handful of players at any club to fall back to the lower grade. Even if you get the full handful, they can't all be available and willing to play.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 16, 2015, 11:25:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 16, 2015, 11:05:41 PM
I know what you mean Down Fanatic.

But I still think you're approaching it a bit inside out. There has to be some form of strong delineation between reserve and senior football. Tweaking the rules can't really allow more than a handful of players at any club to fall back to the lower grade. Even if you get the full handful, they can't all be available and willing to play.

Lot of reserve teams at divisional level are struggling for numbers. 6pm throw ins on Sunday don't help. East Down was a 13-a-side league this year and still there were quite a few occasions when teams couldn't field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on August 17, 2015, 01:26:54 PM
just an idea but why not scrap the PRFC and the RFC and go with the system installed in most counties in the south where they have senior, intermediate, junior A, junior B, and Junior C . this would work in the league as well allowing 2nds teams to get promoted through the divisions. there are intermediate teams who would not beat burren mayobridge and kilcoo 2nds teams it would make a higher number of competitive games in intermediate and junior championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 17, 2015, 01:42:03 PM
Quote from: Gaa for life on August 17, 2015, 01:26:54 PM
just an idea but why not scrap the PRFC and the RFC and go with the system installed in most counties in the south where they have senior, intermediate, junior A, junior B, and Junior C . this would work in the league as well allowing 2nds teams to get promoted through the divisions. there are intermediate teams who would not beat burren mayobridge and kilcoo 2nds teams it would make a higher number of competitive games in intermediate and junior championship.

The reserve teams of some of the biggest senior clubs compete in the Armagh ACFL and every single one of them are in the junior ranks with most in the Junior B division.
Take your typical Friday night under your proposed system in Down. Burren are going to a big division 1 game and the senior manager insists that a panel of 25 attend. Their seconds have for arguments sake a division 3 match on the same night and the same time.
The reserve team are bereft of at least ten players that would be eligible for them and thus have to dip into their third team in order to field. This would be a weekly occurrence and you would soon see that these reserve teams would be nothing better than an average junior club side.
I have no doubt though the likes of Burren/Kilcoo/Mayobridge reserve teams with their full compliment on a weekly basis would be of middling Intermediate standard but it isn't going to work out that way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on August 17, 2015, 05:16:56 PM
 Can anyone from Annaclone confirm they are not fielding tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 17, 2015, 07:36:58 PM
At this stage id say you know the answer gaaman
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 17, 2015, 08:07:34 PM
Comfortable 2 points for Glenn tonite..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 17, 2015, 08:35:26 PM
Not good news for the stone, super reds and the town
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on August 17, 2015, 10:03:11 PM
You care to enlighten us Tommy why Annaclone never appeared in Saval tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GreenGiant on August 17, 2015, 10:40:16 PM
What was the reasoning behind Annaclone not fielding? Not very sportsmanlike for teams in the bottom half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 17, 2015, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: GreenGiant on August 17, 2015, 10:40:16 PM
What was the reasoning behind Annaclone not fielding? Not very sportsmanlike for teams in the bottom half
in keeping with their behaviour in the transfer sagas of  4 or 5 years ago.Disgusting......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 18, 2015, 08:04:09 AM
I don't know the reason behind the decision but there's no malice intended to the other teams fighting for Div1 status. In contrast everyone has an opinion now, no one bothered when Ballyholland called game off at 1730, was I not told 'It's none of your business'. So let's see where the real problems lie within this county and the short term memories.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on August 18, 2015, 08:48:15 AM
Tommy your not making much sense. Ballyholland got the game off because they had a genuine reason according to the rule book, now that might have been very disappointing for your club but they did act within the rules.Still no sensible reason not to field last night Glenn fielded, ref and officials turned up county board were in attendance and quite a considerable crowd attended looks really bad Tommy, just wondering how you gonna spin this one but no doubt you will find a way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 18, 2015, 08:57:53 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 18, 2015, 08:04:09 AM
I don't know the reason behind the decision but there's no malice intended to the other teams fighting for Div1 status. In contrast everyone has an opinion now, no one bothered when Ballyholland called game off at 1730, was I not told 'It's none of your business'. So let's see where the real problems lie within this county and the short term memories.
Tommy,you say there is no malice intended as I'n sure there isn't from your perspective as you don't know the reason for non-fielding but those that do know the reason have certainly let down your Club by this decision.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on August 18, 2015, 09:02:25 AM
can anyone post an updated league table for div 1?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 18, 2015, 09:41:49 AM
The league tables on the Down website aren't accurate.. Glenn have 13 points and Annaclone have 6.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GreenGiant on August 18, 2015, 10:11:20 AM
Quote from: wobbller on August 17, 2015, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: GreenGiant on August 17, 2015, 10:40:16 PM
What was the reasoning behind Annaclone not fielding? Not very sportsmanlike for teams in the bottom half
in keeping with their behaviour in the transfer sagas of  4 or 5 years ago.Disgusting......

sorry Wobbller im not familiar with this incident 4 or 5 years ago..can you enlighten me?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GreenGiant on August 18, 2015, 10:15:45 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 18, 2015, 08:04:09 AM
I don't know the reason behind the decision but there's no malice intended to the other teams fighting for Div1 status. In contrast everyone has an opinion now, no one bothered when Ballyholland called game off at 1730, was I not told 'It's none of your business'. So let's see where the real problems lie within this county and the short term memories.

why was the ballyholland game called off last week? In my 'opinion' it was very cowardly of Annaclone to not field last night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on August 18, 2015, 01:50:22 PM
And we wonder why we are not doing well at county level - the last few pages of posts should explain that one!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Red eye on August 18, 2015, 09:17:46 PM
Quote from: GreenGiant on August 18, 2015, 10:15:45 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 18, 2015, 08:04:09 AM
I don't know the reason behind the decision but there's no malice intended to the other teams fighting for Div1 status. In contrast everyone has an opinion now, no one bothered when Ballyholland called game off at 1730, was I not told 'It's none of your business'. So let's see where the real problems lie within this county and the short term memories.

why was the ballyholland game called off last week? In my 'opinion' it was very cowardly of Annaclone to not field last night

Bottom line is it is in bad taste and disrespectful to the league as well as to other clubs that are affected by this. Had they fielded and lost they would have kept face but this attitude and action is disappointing. Have the County Board anything set up to deal with such issues - no point in deducting points as seems they are resigned to relegation anyway.
Is there a bye law that may say impose a fine?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 19, 2015, 08:41:07 AM
 Any word on a new Minor Football Manager being selected?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 19, 2015, 11:25:39 AM
Any news from lastnites Co Board meeting? Plenty of appeals in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAAHEAD1960 on August 19, 2015, 11:27:38 AM
This fixture/Appeals craic has summed up Down GAA this year, a match replayed on a Monday at 7, couple of championship games at 2 on Saturday, never mind people getting back from work, sure Burren have it anyway probably, no point stressing over the lower half. These replays are also not fair, both times Glenn were beat (my opinion) and now because of this "we all must fight" mentality which has been displayed twice they get a second bite at the cherry and would probably beat both ballyholland and annaclone now going by current form. I'm sure Glenn people will jump to their defence but if the tables had been turned and you's faced relegation i'm sure you'd feel cheated. As for the Glenn facilities they are dreadful and they do effect visiting teams preparation, there are poorer clubs out there who have much better facilities but only the county board can sort that out so it won't be sorted out in reality.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 19, 2015, 11:47:55 AM
This board has gone to hell.
Serious influx of sh!theads with agendas and personal axes to grind.
Trying to decipher some of the text would make your head hurt too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 19, 2015, 11:52:53 AM
Quote from: GAAHEAD1960 on August 19, 2015, 11:27:38 AM
This fixture/Appeals craic has summed up Down GAA this year, a match replayed on a Monday at 7, couple of championship games at 2 on Saturday, never mind people getting back from work, sure Burren have it anyway probably, no point stressing over the lower half. These replays are also not fair, both times Glenn were beat (my opinion) and now because of this "we all must fight" mentality which has been displayed twice they get a second bite at the cherry and would probably beat both ballyholland and annaclone now going by current form. I'm sure Glenn people will jump to their defence but if the tables had been turned and you's faced relegation i'm sure you'd feel cheated. As for the Glenn facilities they are dreadful and they do effect visiting teams preparation, there are poorer clubs out there who have much better facilities but only the county board can sort that out so it won't be sorted out in reality.

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on August 19, 2015, 11:58:10 AM
Having a go at a club for having poor facilities. What a f**king snob.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: westdowngael on August 19, 2015, 12:13:19 PM
The county board this year have been shown up to be a complete shambles. This whole saga is just proving to show that a complete overhaul is needed if we are to compete in any way at county level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAAHEAD1960 on August 19, 2015, 12:26:26 PM
Quote from: qubdub on August 19, 2015, 11:58:10 AM
Having a go at a club for having poor facilities. What a f**king snob.

LOL thanks for that, not having a go at the poor facilities merely acknowledging more of the posts from earlier. More of having a go at the county board who could maybe step in and help them out with facilities who I know have helped other clubs who pushed for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GreenGiant on August 19, 2015, 01:40:39 PM
Quote from: GAAHEAD1960 on August 19, 2015, 12:26:26 PM
Quote from: qubdub on August 19, 2015, 11:58:10 AM
Having a go at a club for having poor facilities. What a f**king snob.

LOL thanks for that, not having a go at the poor facilities merely acknowledging more of the posts from earlier. More of having a go at the county board who could maybe step in and help them out with facilities who I know have helped other clubs who pushed for it.

I have a number of friends associated with Glenn and they will acknowledge the fact the facilities aren't up to scratch. But what can they do about it? They probably have very little money (most likely in debt) and as they are not one of the 'big clubs' will get no help at all from the county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on August 19, 2015, 02:27:32 PM
Some people do my head in. Who are these 'Big Clubs' who get all the help from County Board!! This is typical of the county these past few years. Blame this one, blame that one, blame everyone else but me.  You say what can Glenn do about it, they can raise money to upgrade or amend their current set up to cater for teams and visitors better.  FFS the players go to the toilet against a container at the back of the goals.  Of course they can do something about it.
Likewise, every club can do something to improve the standard of players coming through to county level by putting more emphasis on coaching, LIKE Glenn have done successfully over the past few years (see I have nothing against Glenn :-))
How does all this happen, by people, and that means you and me, putting the effort and time in, through good times and bad.
We are entitled to comment and critique what happens of course, but some of the s***e that people talk (type) is unreal sometimes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on August 19, 2015, 03:55:21 PM
well said DF fundraising is a massive part of local gaa. it takes a lot of unnoticed hard work to build up funds in order to develop grounds and changing facilities. a lot of people want everything but are not willing to put in the hard work. the reason "the big clubs" have good facilities is that they have people driving the fund raising within their own clubs. use kilcoo as an example for the 2nd pitch that the now have, no one handed that to them. they organised events and draws and whatever else to gather up the money to pay for it. its not easy but it can be done!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 19, 2015, 06:52:00 PM
Quote from: Gaa for life on August 19, 2015, 03:55:21 PM
well said DF fundraising is a massive part of local gaa. it takes a lot of unnoticed hard work to build up funds in order to develop grounds and changing facilities. a lot of people want everything but are not willing to put in the hard work. the reason "the big clubs" have good facilities is that they have people driving the fund raising within their own clubs. use kilcoo as an example for the 2nd pitch that the now have, no one handed that to them. they organised events and draws and whatever else to gather up the money to pay for it. its not easy but it can be done!!

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 20, 2015, 09:09:44 AM
Quote from: Gaa for life on August 19, 2015, 03:55:21 PM
well said DF fundraising is a massive part of local gaa. it takes a lot of unnoticed hard work to build up funds in order to develop grounds and changing facilities. a lot of people want everything but are not willing to put in the hard work. the reason "the big clubs" have good facilities is that they have people driving the fund raising within their own clubs. use kilcoo as an example for the 2nd pitch that the now have, no one handed that to them. they organised events and draws and whatever else to gather up the money to pay for it. its not easy but it can be done!!

From my experiences Down CB can assist you in filling in applications for grants from various government bodies, but as Down CB themselves haven't the nails to scratch their own arse, I can't see them giving any clubs money, big or small.
Some clubs you would look at having great facilities, but then you hear the horror stories of the dept they're having to service on a monthly basis would scare you.

What sort of size of membership would Glen have anyway?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GreenGiant on August 20, 2015, 10:16:25 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 20, 2015, 09:09:44 AM
Quote from: Gaa for life on August 19, 2015, 03:55:21 PM
well said DF fundraising is a massive part of local gaa. it takes a lot of unnoticed hard work to build up funds in order to develop grounds and changing facilities. a lot of people want everything but are not willing to put in the hard work. the reason "the big clubs" have good facilities is that they have people driving the fund raising within their own clubs. use kilcoo as an example for the 2nd pitch that the now have, no one handed that to them. they organised events and draws and whatever else to gather up the money to pay for it. its not easy but it can be done!!

From my experiences Down CB can assist you in filling in applications for grants from various government bodies, but as Down CB themselves haven't the nails to scratch their own arse, I can't see them giving any clubs money, big or small.
Some clubs you would look at having great facilities, but then you hear the horror stories of the dept they're having to service on a monthly basis would scare you.

What sort of size of membership would Glen have anyway?

At a guess I would say it would be no more than 150
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on August 20, 2015, 11:07:32 AM
About time the facilities at Glenn were put to bed.  Some clubs have good facilities and others don't.  It takes time and a lot of effort to raise necessary funds to get the facilities that all clubs aspire to have.  Kilcoo for instance don't have great facilities with regards to changing rooms but are one of the leading clubs in the county.  They have a great new pitch which was badly needed for the level of membership they have. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 20, 2015, 01:41:36 PM
 From GAELIC LIFE TWITTER Account"........
GAELIC Life understands that Jim McCorry is to consider his position as manager of the Down senior football team.

The county executive met with the Mourne boss this week, and McCorry had hoped that a number of his doubts would be allayed. It seems, however, that issues still remain in place.

It is believed that McCorry requested the meeting four weeks ago, and the delay in scheduling it has not helped the siutation.

He is now likely to discuss the matter with his management team and advisors. It is understood that the Down players are very keen on him to remain in charge.

Despite a disappointing championship campaign, including a qualifier defeat to Wexford, McCorry appeared to be on solid ground due to it being his first year in charge, and also, due to the fact that he guided the team into division one.

That belief, however, fell apart when the county management recommended that he be removed from his post last month on a 7-6 score after they held a vote.

In the subsequent county board meeting, the clubs and board voted 23-13 in his favour. The seven who voted against him in the management committee then cast another seven votes against him to bring it to an overall 22-20 figure, ensuring he was retained as manager.

As for now, McCorry remains in charge and he was present at a number of club championship matches in recent weeks as he tries to spot new talent. Dan Gordon and Martin Clarke are expected to return to the county scene for the 2016 season.

Related Posts:
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 20, 2015, 04:06:45 PM
Warrenpoint facilities are pretty poor too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on August 20, 2015, 07:32:19 PM
Some peoples Christmas present came early this year...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 20, 2015, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on August 20, 2015, 07:32:19 PM
Some peoples Christmas present came early this year...
jim mccorry has quit. dont think its a real surprise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on August 20, 2015, 07:40:20 PM
Quote from: general_lee on August 20, 2015, 07:32:19 PM
Some peoples Christmas present came early this year...
I'm sure there's something funny in this but I'd need it explained
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on August 20, 2015, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: general_lee on August 20, 2015, 07:32:19 PM
Some peoples Christmas present came early this year...

Jim is gone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on August 20, 2015, 07:44:58 PM
Quote from: SamFever on August 20, 2015, 01:41:36 PM
From GAELIC LIFE TWITTER Account"........
GAELIC Life understands that Jim McCorry is to consider his position as manager of the Down senior football team.

The county executive met with the Mourne boss this week, and McCorry had hoped that a number of his doubts would be allayed. It seems, however, that issues still remain in place.

It is believed that McCorry requested the meeting four weeks ago, and the delay in scheduling it has not helped the siutation.

He is now likely to discuss the matter with his management team and advisors. It is understood that the Down players are very keen on him to remain in charge.

Despite a disappointing championship campaign, including a qualifier defeat to Wexford, McCorry appeared to be on solid ground due to it being his first year in charge, and also, due to the fact that he guided the team into division one.

That belief, however, fell apart when the county management recommended that he be removed from his post last month on a 7-6 score after they held a vote.

In the subsequent county board meeting, the clubs and board voted 23-13 in his favour. The seven who voted against him in the management committee then cast another seven votes against him to bring it to an overall 22-20 figure, ensuring he was retained as manager.

As for now, McCorry remains in charge and he was present at a number of club championship matches in recent weeks as he tries to spot new talent. Dan Gordon and Martin Clarke are expected to return to the county scene for the 2016 season.

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Surprised at this. The story in the Irish News two weeks ago where McCorry made reference to the Conall McGovern red card, and talked a lot about 'we' made me think he'd moved on from the vote. I'd heard he was at a few championship matches and that confirmed the view he was planning ahead.If this GL story is accurate, it's clear that he is still seeking the backing of management- which I think is fair enough. Back me or sack me! No surprise that the players in the panel still want him there but would the players who should have been in the panel want him there ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 20, 2015, 07:48:48 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on August 20, 2015, 07:41:19 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 20, 2015, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: general_lee on August 20, 2015, 07:32:19 PM
Some peoples Christmas present came early this year...
jim mccorry has quit. dont think its a real surprise.
Has this been confirmed?
yeah, confirmed by statement from county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on August 20, 2015, 08:08:35 PM
Where do we go now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on August 20, 2015, 08:12:20 PM
This is another shameful episode for Down GAA, the
executive committee should hang their heads in shame!!
Jim had a vision and remit to rebuild but was undone by a load of clowns living in the past under the "down way" banner.

It wasn't the run in the championship we all hoped for but Jim would have had a clear plan and nobody would have been as disappointed as him, and the next steps to recovery were no doubt being planned as he left Wexford.

So where to now, a rummage through the 91 or 94 all Ireland programme and therefore Conor Deegan come on home the price is right!!!!!! Or back to the future O'Rourke and Pete

Meanwhile thanks for the effort Jim, I for one think you would have succeeded, clear out the post box, the offers are coming already!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 20, 2015, 08:53:45 PM
No surprise really after the lack of support from the club's. Down are a shambles have been for a while. Losing to a division 4 team is unforgivable to be honest. His treatment of the more experienced players didn't help . Who knows where we go from here its a depressing situation.  Who would be in the running?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 20, 2015, 09:33:35 PM
Shane ward, doing well at burren, not afraid to give youth a chance if he thinks they're good enough but who ever the next manager is they need to be given at least two- three years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 20, 2015, 10:36:11 PM
PRESS STATEMENT
Tonight the Down County Board were notified by Jim Mc Corry that he was stepping down with immediate effect as Down Senior Football Team Manager.
Down County Board would like to place on record our thanks to Jim and his backroom team for their efforts and commitment shown to the Down Senior Footballers and their endeavors in taking Down from Division 2 back to Division 1 for next season.
Members of the Down Executive Committee had met with Jim on Monday to re-assure him that he had 100% support from both the Executive Committee and the clubs in Down, and that Down GAA would not be found wanting in their support for Jim and the Down Senior Footballers in 2016 and beyond.
We wish him well in the future.
There will be no further comment at this time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 21, 2015, 12:32:18 AM
Quote from: elk on August 20, 2015, 09:33:35 PM
Shane ward, doing well at burren, not afraid to give youth a chance if he thinks they're good enough but who ever the next manager is they need to be given at least two- three years.

Yes he's really come on since X Factor a few years back..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 21, 2015, 07:45:06 AM
Quote from: elk on August 20, 2015, 09:33:35 PM
Shane ward, doing well at burren, not afraid to give youth a chance if he thinks they're good enough but who ever the next manager is they need to be given at least two- three years.

Sean Ward has managed a grand total of one club SFC game. This is not the CV of an intercounty manager, no matter how hard you try to spin it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 21, 2015, 08:03:09 AM
Will McEntee come into the equation?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 21, 2015, 08:06:30 AM
Oops well spotted super sub .just seen a press release he is not Available now he has signed up for corrie
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 21, 2015, 08:23:56 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 20, 2015, 10:36:11 PM

Members of the Down Executive Committee had met with Jim on Monday to re-assure him that he had 100% support from both the Executive Committee and the clubs in Down, and that Down GAA would not be found wanting in their support for Jim and the Down Senior Footballers in 2016 and beyond.

And McCorry would really believe this to be true😜.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on August 21, 2015, 11:36:22 AM
Members of the Down Executive Committee had met with Jim on Monday to re-assure him that he had 100% support from both the Executive Committee and the clubs in Down,

what a pile of sh1t. do they not realise that the results of the vote to keep jim in place are public knowledge? im not a massive fan of jims after this past season but I think he was right to walk away knowing that the clubs and co board weren't behind him. he was the stand out candidate this time last year so where do we go from here? in all honesty I cant see too many cueing up for the job as I think we will do well to get more than one win in div 1 next year and that is not ideal preparation for the championship. and as for Dawson, I wouldn't have him within 100miles of the job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 21, 2015, 12:11:50 PM
I think McCrory was the best option at the time (and still is) from the club scene in Down. Whilst he may not have set the world alight in the Championship, to have guided us to Div1 next year is not to be underestimated. We will be playing the league campaign at a higher level which should bring out more of the best in our players - plus another preseason training and developing his style of play. It's also clear those players in the panel rated him very highly indeed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: southdown on August 21, 2015, 12:29:52 PM
Pete McGrath is the stand out candidate.  Most of the names mentioned here have zero inter-county experience.

The question is whether he will come back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Red eye on August 21, 2015, 12:41:02 PM
Quote from: southdown on August 21, 2015, 12:29:52 PM
Pete McGrath is the stand out candidate.  Most of the names mentioned here have zero inter-county experience.

The question is whether he will come back.

Would agree but would expect him to politely refuse if approached.
Current board don't appear to have been big fans of Pete and he appears to be thoroughly enjoying the stint in Fermanagh. Would be different in another year or so when the Fermanagh bandwagon stops (reach as far as they can with the resources they have).
Would need the County board to recognise the as you say "outstanding candidate" and give him the support and backing that would be needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 21, 2015, 01:55:55 PM
McCorry's departure was predictably badly handled, and he should at least have been given a second year to make his mark, but any manager who has lost the confidence of his county executive is on very thin ice. The decline between Celtic Park, when we were plainly unfortunate, and Wexford, when we were appalling, was striking. It was reasonable to expect that county board officials would ask questions about reports of upheaval in the camp and poor attendances at training, and the indications are that they were unhappy with the answers offered. If relationships were breaking down, it is probably better that we have a parting of then ways now rather than in the middle of what could be a tough D1 programme.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 21, 2015, 02:46:15 PM
Pete.

Fair play to Pete in Fermanagh this year. He made the most of a kind draw, and got momentum going. Championships are about momentum.

But while I know that time is a great healer, am I really the only person who remembers this series of Championship results for Down?

2000 USFC: Antrim 0-13 Down 1-7
2001 USFC: Cavan 1-14 Down 2-10
2001 AI Qualifiers: Armagh 1-13 Down 2-4
2002 USFC: Donegal 3-12 Down 1-6
2002 AI Qualifiers: Longford 1-16 Down 0-14

Seriously folks, this is not an "outstanding candidate".
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on August 21, 2015, 03:23:59 PM
Anyone that has won an All Ireland (plural) is an outstanding candidate in my eyes.

"But Gaelic football has changed so much since then!" you inevitably gurn.

Just look again what he achieved this year... A kind draw? Well not really. Leinster finalists and a division 1 team? An honourable performance against the superdubs? Throw in promotion. All with a county with far less resources than Down. Playing WITHOUT 3/4 of their best players. He did exceptionally well.

Even forgetting anything he did in 91, 94, 01 or 02 he'd still be a good candidate. I don't think he would take it though if he was asked. He's an honourable man and will want to continue with Fermanagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 21, 2015, 03:47:26 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 21, 2015, 02:46:15 PM
Pete.

Fair play to Pete in Fermanagh this year. He made the most of a kind draw, and got momentum going. Championships are about momentum.

But while I know that time is a great healer, am I really the only person who remembers this series of Championship results for Down?

2000 USFC: Antrim 0-13 Down 1-7
2001 USFC: Cavan 1-14 Down 2-10
2001 AI Qualifiers: Armagh 1-13 Down 2-4
2002 USFC: Donegal 3-12 Down 1-6
2002 AI Qualifiers: Longford 1-16 Down 0-14

Seriously folks, this is not an "outstanding candidate".

+1

No just no.  No thanks to POR either !!

Although in saying that if they couldnt afford McEntee last year then they are unlikely to afford him this year so am not sure where they will turn to next.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 21, 2015, 03:54:01 PM
The next few months should be some craic.
No County Football Management teams in place for Minors, 21s and now Seniors.

Il echo the previous. No to McGrath & no to PO'R.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on August 21, 2015, 03:55:35 PM
I'd say wee James still has a massive appetite for it and I think McGrath would love to be there too.

And there's your answer - get them both back.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 21, 2015, 04:01:09 PM
Dont think there is much love lost there so cant see them working together.

Think James would be wise enough to stay away knowing what there is available in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 21, 2015, 04:09:03 PM
Nostalgia.
Gotta love it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on August 21, 2015, 04:51:10 PM
I would have been very much in the NO camp re Pete as well as I remember the last 3/4 years of his reign too as being disasters.  However, we cannot fail to look at what Pete has done since then.  Lets say he started managing in 2005 for example and had no record with Down prior to that.

He took Down to consecutive Ulster under 21 titles and an All Ireland final that was oh so close.  We havent got anywhere near competing at that level since he left it.  He managed An Riocht to a senior division one league title, Martin Clarke inspired admittedly, but still did it.  He took Bryansford perilously close to a championship which they threw away to Burren in Newry one night, and won an Ulster under 21 with them.  He has now taken Fermanagh to a level they havent been at in 10 years and is a level which at the least represents a positive return for the players and resources available. 
He appears to have adapted to the modern game this year as opposed to last year when he stuck to his old principles of simply playing football and which resulted in Antrim defeating Fermanagh in a high scoring game that would not have looked out of place in the last few years of his Down tenure.  This is probably his most impressive achievement since 2005 and illustrates a man willing to do what is best.

These points would indicate to me a credible candidate for the Down County job.

There are negatives, of course.  Pete has that Mourinho effect where he always seems to leave with some sort of discontent.  Nothing serious, just people generally being cranky, but I think that comes with Petes character.  He is a hard man to love if you get what I mean but without question, he can manage a team.  He has no club championships on his CV which I would say grates him but perhaps its the county environment that suits him best and perhaps he has shown with Fermanagh this year that he is willing to bring himself into the modern game in terms of team and player preparation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 21, 2015, 05:26:58 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 21, 2015, 04:09:03 PM
Nostalgia.
Gotta love it.
The whole County from top to bottom needs overhauled.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 21, 2015, 09:29:56 PM
SFC result;  Burren 4-21 liatroim 0-9

Clonduff v rostrevor was abandoned due to a bad injury to clonduff player darren o'hagan. Looked bad but hopefully nothing serious.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on August 21, 2015, 10:19:24 PM
No big shock Jim resigned only surprise he waited this long how can you continue when your employers have made it clear they don't want you? Now the circus will start again feel sorry for Jim think he was sold out by the players who have to carry some of the blame for the Wexford display.Agree he made some mistakes his stance on the players who couldn't commit as early as he wanted was a mistake and am sure he would use a different approach if he had his time again.The decision to stay in Wexford after the game instead of the night before was also a mistake.Sent the wrong message to the players but the fact that the Kilcoo men were back down the road that night and reports that others couldn't wait to get State side probably says were their commitment lay some players should be having a look at how they repayed the faith Jim showed in them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pangurban on August 21, 2015, 10:22:44 PM
Would love to see Pete back but i believe Co.Board are setting up post for Conor Deegan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 21, 2015, 11:49:46 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 21, 2015, 02:46:15 PM
Pete.

Fair play to Pete in Fermanagh this year. He made the most of a kind draw, and got momentum going. Championships are about momentum.

But while I know that time is a great healer, am I really the only person who remembers this series of Championship results for Down?

2000 USFC: Antrim 0-13 Down 1-7
2001 USFC: Cavan 1-14 Down 2-10
2001 AI Qualifiers: Armagh 1-13 Down 2-4
2002 USFC: Donegal 3-12 Down 1-6
2002 AI Qualifiers: Longford 1-16 Down 0-14

Seriously folks, this is not an "outstanding candidate".

Sweet f**k, what planet are you all on?  Going back to Pete Mc Grath would be nearly as big a disaster as appointing the likes of Paddy O'Rourke.  Both have had their run with Down and thanks but no thanks.  Where else do we go?  Our top clubs in Div 1 at present are as follows with their managers.

Burren-Sean Ward lacks experience, only 4th year in Senior club management.  No chance
Bryansford-Frank Dawson,experience with Antrim, plenty of success at club level in Down, knows our club football inside out.  Best prospect but not overly popular
Mayobridge-Michael Walsh, lacks experience.  No chance
Ballyholland-Steven Poacher, madman.  No chance
Warrenpoint-Bernie Ruane, first senior team.  No chance
Kilcoo-Paul Mc Ivor, not impressed with him so far but may come good yet.  Outside chance
Clonduff-Gearoid Adams, experience with Antrim but still finding his feet with Clonduff.  Outside chance
Saval-Darren Quinn, lacks experience.  No chance

These are the 'so called' top managers in Div 1.  In Div 2 at the top we have Ballymartin-Hugh Trainor, Loughinisland-Jerome Johnston, Darragh Cross-Brendan Mason, Tullylish-Eamon Burns.  How many of these men are in the running?

We have three major issues.
1.We do not have the expertise or quality within our own county to appoint a manager from within.
2.We do not have the the resources to finance a top manager from outside our county.
3.If we are honest we simply do not have good enough players on the County squad in Down.  Don't tell me the same shit that we gained promotion to Div 1 and had a great year under Mc Corry, we got lucky in so many games robbing Kildare and being over run by Galway spring to mind from last year.

I don't know where we go from here but our incompetent County Board have so much to answer for.  So many of our discussions on here revolve around our senior team but the sooner we sort out the lower end of our conveyor belt, our development squads, then the sooner we may have the players to compete at the top end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 22, 2015, 09:20:42 AM
Today's Irish News.
........................................................

I was forced out of Down job - McCorry

Jim McCorry breaks his silence over his bitter Down departure
JIM McCORRY has insisted his position as Down senior football manager was made "untenable" following a crunch meeting with the county management committee on Monday.

McCorry, who quit the job on Thursday after just one season in charge, rejected the Down County Board's statement that they were "100 per cent" behind him.

However, McCorry was far from convinced after Monday night's meeting with the Mourne County's top brass and felt he had "no choice" but to step down from the post.

Last month, the county's management committee sensationally recommended to county delegates to get rid of McCorry – but the clubs voted to retain their manager [22-20].

Speaking to The Irish News on Friday morning, McCorry claimed the way he was treated was more in keeping with the cut-throat culture of the English Premier League.

"I was left with no choice other than to leave the post," said McCorry. "The position had become untenable. At Monday's meeting, the county committee told me they were backing me "100 per cent".

"The people who were backing me "100 per cent" were the same people who didn't see fit to back me four weeks earlier.

"When I asked for the reasons why, I was told people had the right to vote the way they wanted. That really stuck in my craw."

Immediately after last month's narrow vote to keep him, McCorry felt his position was untenable, but after a period of reflection and with a certain degree of optimism entering last Monday's meeting, the Armagh native thought he could continue as Down manager and that the situation "might be salvageable".

McCorry had drawn up a two-year plan ahead of the crunch meeting in which the objective was to remain in Division One and win an Ulster title within that time-frame.

Unfortunately, McCorry remained unconvinced about his future as Down boss upon leaving Monday's meeting.

"I still thought it was salvageable if it was going to be the right discussion and the right rational look at how we improve the county set-up at senior level to challenge for honours, with a proper strategy in place going forward.

"From that perspective, I thought it would have been salvageable, yes."

McCorry added: "I went into Monday's meeting in a positive mind, hoping I was going to hear things other than the platitudes of: 'We're behind you 100 per cent and let's move on'.

"That wasn't giving me any confidence to be able to deliver the two-year plan without them putting hurdles in my way.

"It's okay saying to someone: 'We're 100 per cent behind you', but you really have to convince someone of that.

"I would have thought it straightforward for anybody to understand that the manager in my position would have needed a lot of convincing and a lot of support after what happened.

"For them to say: 'People had the right to vote – let's move on'. That's not the type of conversation that filled me with confidence. The trust and respect wasn't there."

"They had issues with the captaincy, issues with the management team and the fact I hadn't brought in a third selector, even though it was made clear to them that a third selector would be added this year to freshen things up.

"When I weighed it up in the round and when I was told by a very trusted person in Down who said: 'They're just waiting for you to trip up, Jim, and it'll all start again,' I thought: 'Why should I go through that for it to start up all over again.'"

He continued: "What annoyed me was that there was no discussion with county management about how we'd got up to Division One, how we lost the Division Two final with a man down, how we lost away to Derry [in the Ulster Championship] with a man down. There was no talk about any of that. It was just about the Wexford defeat and not having, in their view, the best players available for that game."

Curiously, the manager had to deal with questions from the management committee over who he picked and didn't pick on his panel and why some high-profile players who had decided to step down weren't persuaded to return.

"When I asked who were the best players in the county, the only reference was the players who had retired previously or weren't available.

"There was no mention of the fact that I had asked those players to stay on; I didn't push anybody out, I wanted them to be in the squad.

"They had made the choice not to be there... There were things asked in that meeting that were matters for the manager. The manager picks the panel. That's why you pick a manager for.

"I had the best players available who wanted to commit to Down. Maybe some people thought I should beg some players to come back to play for Down. But that's not really the way I see county football.

"I don't think modern-day county footballers should be begged to come back when they've decided they want to retire. And those players who didn't wish to play all had valid reasons."

For a variety of reasons, Dan Gordon, Benny Coulter, Kalum King, Dan McCartan and Ambrose Rogers stepped aside while illness prevented Marty Clarke from making a return to county colours.

McCorry, however, confirmed Gordon and Clarke had "already indicated they wanted to come back, and they were part of the playing panel for next year".

McCorry was given just seven months in the job. Faced with a daunting rebuilding job, he guided the Mournemen back to Division One before a controversial refereeing decision – the sending-off of Conall McGovern in the 37th minute - contributed to their downfall against Derry in the Ulster Championship.

In their All-Ireland Qualifier defeat to lowly Wexford, there were no redeeming features in the Down performance.

McCorry was also castigated for his post-match interview with The Sunday Game where he said Division One was the team's "priority".

The Down manager was disappointed with the way in which the interview was edited and how it was used by his detractors as a stick to beat him with.

Given his incredible success with Eoghan Rua, Kilcoo, where he won four club championships, McCorry was the stand-out candidate to succeed the outgoing James McCartan.

With the senior squad in dire need of fresh faces and with very little coming through the U21 ranks, it was a major surprise to see Down gain promotion to the top flight.

"The appointment committee knew exactly what I was going to do: there would be a new panel of players, a new way of playing, players would leave and we could expect an outcry with that.

"But I told the committee we would have to ride that out. They appointed me on that basis and now they ended up lambasting me for it. The problem with Down is that they look back at the past all the time."

Despite the bitter ending and truncated time in charge, McCorry doesn't regret taking the Down post.

"I loved the job the short time I was there," he said.

"I'd love to have done the three years. I really know the players now. I met some fantastic people and had some really great experiences. I'm not leaving with a bitter taste in my mouth regarding the players.

"We'd great supporters at our games as well. And I wouldn't be worried about the keyboard warriors, I'd be concerned with the genuine supporters. A lot of people wanted me to stay on but I wasn't able to.

"Next year, some of those players will be working with their third manager in 12 months. That sounds like something you'd hear in the English Premier League. That's down to the county management committee, not me."

"Don't get me wrong, not every player is going to be satisfied because you can only play 15. Players were taken off, players were more disgruntled than others. That's the way management is.

"The amount of time and effort I put into it was phenomenal. I'd taken early retirement in April and was virtually working at the Down job full-time."

Asked what he'd learned while in charge of his adopted county, McCorry replied: "A wise man that I would listen to said to me: 'Jim, why did you think you would be treated any differently when you saw what happened to Pete McGrath, Paddy O'Rourke and Ross Carr?'

"And my response was: 'I didn't think I would be treated differently but I thought I would get more than six months of playing time.'

"What I've learned is that there is going to be no comparison to that type of scenario again in the future. There are politics at the top level in the GAA that people scratch their heads at. There are politics with a small 'p' at club level that I've dealt with over the years, and that's fairly minor and easy to deal with.

"I suppose at county level it's hard to understand why people can't see a bigger picture rather than concentrating on the last result."

In thanking the players and his backroom team of Mark Copeland, John Morgan and strength and conditioning coach Ciaran Sloan, McCorry said: "This was something I didn't particularly want to do because I really enjoyed working with the players. I'd like to thank every one of them and my backroom team – Mark, John and Ciaran.

"Success this year wasn't just about going up to Division One, it was about trying to create a club atmosphere where all the cliques were removed and to play better football. So there was a lot of progression behind the scenes.

"That's going to start again whoever is going to come in. I wanted to make it work. I wanted to be the Down manager for another two years and to win an Ulster Championship."

And the future?

To take his wife, Roisin, on an long overdue holiday.

And football?

With a roguish grin, McCorry said: "I'm looking forward to being a spectator for a while, standing behind the wire and hurling a few stones at the manager!"

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on August 22, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
Time to break the bank and bring in McEntee
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 22, 2015, 10:01:01 AM
Would hardly be breaking the bank - he'd be the on the same as Jim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 10:59:33 AM
Time to wipe the slate clean. Identify issues and address them both short and long term.

Short term things like managers for senior, minor, u21 need to be  appointed asap especially with championships in full swing. McCorry treated poorly so let's hope that doesn't deter potential candidates. Forget outside managers, I'd take a down man over a mercenary any day.

Long term is where the real fun happens. GAA is dying on its knees in parts of this county and to some people they wouldn't even know or care. Forget underage county development squads as a priority and get a real injection into places like the lecale district, Dpk and Newry. Get structures in place within all the primary schools, direct whatever resources are available to these areas. For a town of newrys size to not have a proper challenging senior side is a reflection on the county as a whole. Oh and also get Glenn new facilities.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 22, 2015, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 10:59:33 AM
Time to wipe the slate clean. Identify issues and address them both short and long term.

Short term things like managers for senior, minor, u21 need to be  appointed asap especially with championships in full swing. McCorry treated poorly so let's hope that doesn't deter potential candidates. Forget outside managers, I'd take a down man over a mercenary any day.

Long term is where the real fun happens. GAA is dying on its knees in parts of this county and to some people they wouldn't even know or care. Forget underage county development squads as a priority and get a real injection into places like the lecale district, Dpk and Newry. Get structures in place within all the primary schools, direct whatever resources are available to these areas. For a town of newrys size to not have a proper challenging senior side is a reflection on the county as a whole. Oh and also get Glenn new facilities.

So let me get this straight, you want to appoint short managers for senior, u21 and minor and you want to ditch the development squads and direct all our resources into lecale district, Downpatrick (same place no?) and Newry?  That should certainly sort things out  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 22, 2015, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 10:59:33 AM
Time to wipe the slate clean. Identify issues and address them both short and long term.

Short term things like managers for senior, minor, u21 need to be  appointed asap especially with championships in full swing. McCorry treated poorly so let's hope that doesn't deter potential candidates. Forget outside managers, I'd take a down man over a mercenary any day.

Long term is where the real fun happens. GAA is dying on its knees in parts of this county and to some people they wouldn't even know or care. Forget underage county development squads as a priority and get a real injection into places like the lecale district, Dpk and Newry. Get structures in place within all the primary schools, direct whatever resources are available to these areas. For a town of newrys size to not have a proper challenging senior side is a reflection on the county as a whole. Oh and also get Glenn new facilities.

So let me get this straight, you want to appoint short managers for senior, u21 and minor and you want to ditch the development squads and direct all our resources into lecale district, Downpatrick (same place no?) and Newry?  That should certainly sort things out  ::)
Read it again dickweed  ::)

You don't happen to be on the county board, do you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 22, 2015, 01:02:17 PM
Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 22, 2015, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 10:59:33 AM
Time to wipe the slate clean. Identify issues and address them both short and long term.

Short term things like managers for senior, minor, u21 need to be  appointed asap especially with championships in full swing. McCorry treated poorly so let's hope that doesn't deter potential candidates. Forget outside managers, I'd take a down man over a mercenary any day.

Long term is where the real fun happens. GAA is dying on its knees in parts of this county and to some people they wouldn't even know or care. Forget underage county development squads as a priority and get a real injection into places like the lecale district, Dpk and Newry. Get structures in place within all the primary schools, direct whatever resources are available to these areas. For a town of newrys size to not have a proper challenging senior side is a reflection on the county as a whole. Oh and also get Glenn new facilities.

So let me get this straight, you want to appoint short managers for senior, u21 and minor and you want to ditch the development squads and direct all our resources into lecale district, Downpatrick (same place no?) and Newry?  That should certainly sort things out  ::)
Read it again dickweed  ::)

You don't happen to be on the county board, do you?

I have and that's what I take from your post.  No, I am not on the County Board.   


Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 12:41:42 PM

Read it again dickweed  ::)


Class
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Red eye on August 22, 2015, 01:09:41 PM
Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 10:59:33 AM
Time to wipe the slate clean. Identify issues and address them both short and long term.

Short term things like managers for senior, minor, u21 need to be  appointed asap especially with championships in full swing. McCorry treated poorly so let's hope that doesn't deter potential candidates. Forget outside managers, I'd take a down man over a mercenary any day.

Long term is where the real fun happens. GAA is dying on its knees in parts of this county and to some people they wouldn't even know or care. Forget underage county development squads as a priority and get a real injection into places like the lecale district, Dpk and Newry. Get structures in place within all the primary schools, direct whatever resources are available to these areas. For a town of newrys size to not have a proper challenging senior side is a reflection on the county as a whole. Oh and also get Glenn new facilities.

Agree with the Under Age structure point. Urban areas all over seem to have a difficulty attracting the numbers that should be available - invariably due to other options available - e.g. Rugby, Soccer, other sports. Structures in place in primary schools will need input from the Clubs those schools are seen to service. County board support for this will be wasted if local Clubs don't take a role in this too. Would be useful if this happened and these children would get encouragement and direction from the perceived home clubs to help develop them and build the numbers of that home Club.

However this shouldn't be done at the expense of Development Squads, but as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tiocfaidh Ned on August 22, 2015, 01:20:59 PM
Best of Luck to Jim McCorry, he probably over achieved in getting this Down panel promoted to Division 1 in his first year in charge. We were comprehensively outplayed by Roscommon and the referee in the league final, kicked ourselves out of it against Derry, who again were helped no end by some poor refereeing. Maybe with 15 men on the field in both games we wouldn't be having this conversation. Unlike some, we don't go running to Croke Park to complain, it isn't the Down way, maybe there are some lessons there, maybe not.
However there are no excuses for our performance against Wexford, we were simply out played and yet again lost out in the physical aspect of the game, to a bigger side who wanted it more. As the old saying goes a good big'un beats a good wee'un. Should Jim have gone on the back of that one result? I'm not so sure. What I am sure of is that until changes are made at county board level, then nothing is ever going to change. It's time for a fresh approach, some new ideas, some fresh faces.

#SackSeanOg #SackChuckyNed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 02:02:15 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 22, 2015, 01:02:17 PM
Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 22, 2015, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 10:59:33 AM
Time to wipe the slate clean. Identify issues and address them both short and long term.

Short term things like managers for senior, minor, u21 need to be  appointed asap especially with championships in full swing. McCorry treated poorly so let's hope that doesn't deter potential candidates. Forget outside managers, I'd take a down man over a mercenary any day.

Long term is where the real fun happens. GAA is dying on its knees in parts of this county and to some people they wouldn't even know or care. Forget underage county development squads as a priority and get a real injection into places like the lecale district, Dpk and Newry. Get structures in place within all the primary schools, direct whatever resources are available to these areas. For a town of newrys size to not have a proper challenging senior side is a reflection on the county as a whole. Oh and also get Glenn new facilities.

So let me get this straight, you want to appoint short managers for senior, u21 and minor and you want to ditch the development squads and direct all our resources into lecale district, Downpatrick (same place no?) and Newry?  That should certainly sort things out  ::)
Read it again dickweed  ::)

You don't happen to be on the county board, do you?

I have and that's what I take from your post.  No, I am not on the County Board.   


Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 12:41:42 PM

Read it again dickweed  ::)


Class
Okay, so you are just being deliberately obtuse, fair enough.

In the interests of clarity I will reiterate my points for those who are on the slow side of things.

I am not calling for short managers. No one should be discriminated against on the basis of their height. They should be chosen on merit alone, preferably within the confines of this county and should be appointed sooner rather than later.

I am not calling for the ditching of development squads. They are inherently important. I am suggesting the main focus should be to develop GAA in areas in this county where it should be flourishing, but isn't. Do you not think it ridiculous that a virtually 99% nationalist city like Newry does not have a senior club? Likewise in much of East Down, there is a huge disparity between the GAA there and the south of the county.

I am not blaming anyone on this, but it's time it was addressed. People are incessant in their gurning about results on the field of play but blissfully disregard the massive imbalance in our county. The clubs have their part to play to and they should be dragged into cooperating if need be. Bombard the schools with coaches, organise trips to Pairc Esler, Croker etc. in parts of South Down in the traditional strongholds this just simply isn't needed as Gaelic football is bred into them.

Out of interest when is the last time a South Down club had to fold?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on August 22, 2015, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 02:02:15 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 22, 2015, 01:02:17 PM
Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 22, 2015, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 10:59:33 AM
Time to wipe the slate clean. Identify issues and address them both short and long term.

Short term things like managers for senior, minor, u21 need to be  appointed asap especially with championships in full swing. McCorry treated poorly so let's hope that doesn't deter potential candidates. Forget outside managers, I'd take a down man over a mercenary any day.

Long term is where the real fun happens. GAA is dying on its knees in parts of this county and to some people they wouldn't even know or care. Forget underage county development squads as a priority and get a real injection into places like the lecale district, Dpk and Newry. Get structures in place within all the primary schools, direct whatever resources are available to these areas. For a town of newrys size to not have a proper challenging senior side is a reflection on the county as a whole. Oh and also get Glenn new facilities.

So let me get this straight, you want to appoint short managers for senior, u21 and minor and you want to ditch the development squads and direct all our resources into lecale district, Downpatrick (same place no?) and Newry?  That should certainly sort things out  ::)
Read it again dickweed  ::)

You don't happen to be on the county board, do you?

I have and that's what I take from your post.  No, I am not on the County Board.   


Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 12:41:42 PM

Read it again dickweed  ::)


Class
Okay, so you are just being deliberately obtuse, fair enough.

In the interests of clarity I will reiterate my points for those who are on the slow side of things.

I am not calling for short managers. No one should be discriminated against on the basis of their height. They should be chosen on merit alone, preferably within the confines of this county and should be appointed sooner rather than later.

I am not calling for the ditching of development squads. They are inherently important. I am suggesting the main focus should be to develop GAA in areas in this county where it should be flourishing, but isn't. Do you not think it ridiculous that a virtually 99% nationalist city like Newry does not have a senior club? Likewise in much of East Down, there is a huge disparity between the GAA there and the south of the county.

I am not blaming anyone on this, but it's time it was addressed. People are incessant in their gurning about results on the field of play but blissfully disregard the massive imbalance in our county. The clubs have their part to play to and they should be dragged into cooperating if need be. Bombard the schools with coaches, organise trips to Pairc Esler, Croker etc. in parts of South Down in the traditional strongholds this just simply isn't needed as Gaelic football is bred into them.

Out of interest when is the last time a South Down club had to fold?
When was the last time an East Down Club folded as I can't think of any other than Ballykinlar being currently on it's knees?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 22, 2015, 05:58:19 PM
Two questions.
Who are the people that make up the county executive and get to make these big calls re management appointments,votes etc?

Anyone have an update on Darren O'Hagan from last night's game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on August 22, 2015, 06:20:18 PM
Saw on Twitter he is in hospital and is going to be ok.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 22, 2015, 06:53:17 PM
Is there a back door in intermediate. ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on August 22, 2015, 07:00:08 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on August 21, 2015, 04:51:10 PM
I would have been very much in the NO camp re Pete as well as I remember the last 3/4 years of his reign too as being disasters.  However, we cannot fail to look at what Pete has done since then.  Lets say he started managing in 2005 for example and had no record with Down prior to that.

He took Down to consecutive Ulster under 21 titles and an All Ireland final that was oh so close.  We havent got anywhere near competing at that level since he left it.  He managed An Riocht to a senior division one league title, Martin Clarke inspired admittedly, but still did it.  He took Bryansford perilously close to a championship which they threw away to Burren in Newry one night, and won an Ulster under 21 with them.  He has now taken Fermanagh to a level they havent been at in 10 years and is a level which at the least represents a positive return for the players and resources available. 
He appears to have adapted to the modern game this year as opposed to last year when he stuck to his old principles of simply playing football and which resulted in Antrim defeating Fermanagh in a high scoring game that would not have looked out of place in the last few years of his Down tenure.  This is probably his most impressive achievement since 2005 and illustrates a man willing to do what is best.

These points would indicate to me a credible candidate for the Down County job.

There are negatives, of course.  Pete has that Mourinho effect where he always seems to leave with some sort of discontent.  Nothing serious, just people generally being cranky, but I think that comes with Petes character.  He is a hard man to love if you get what I mean but without question, he can manage a team.  He has no club championships on his CV which I would say grates him but perhaps its the county environment that suits him best and perhaps he has shown with Fermanagh this year that he is willing to bring himself into the modern game in terms of team and player preparation.

I was at that U21 final, Pete lost it on the line by not counteracting (or probably failing to recognise the to counteract) a Cork substitution made about 15 minutes from the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on August 22, 2015, 08:01:14 PM
Went over to Hilltown for the 2 games today, god help any new manager the standard off Down football is in a bad place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Red eye on August 22, 2015, 08:25:56 PM
Quote from: saulzer on August 22, 2015, 07:00:08 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on August 21, 2015, 04:51:10 PM
I would have been very much in the NO camp re Pete as well as I remember the last 3/4 years of his reign too as being disasters.  However, we cannot fail to look at what Pete has done since then.  Lets say he started managing in 2005 for example and had no record with Down prior to that.

He took Down to consecutive Ulster under 21 titles and an All Ireland final that was oh so close.  We havent got anywhere near competing at that level since he left it.  He managed An Riocht to a senior division one league title, Martin Clarke inspired admittedly, but still did it.  He took Bryansford perilously close to a championship which they threw away to Burren in Newry one night, and won an Ulster under 21 with them.  He has now taken Fermanagh to a level they havent been at in 10 years and is a level which at the least represents a positive return for the players and resources available. 
He appears to have adapted to the modern game this year as opposed to last year when he stuck to his old principles of simply playing football and which resulted in Antrim defeating Fermanagh in a high scoring game that would not have looked out of place in the last few years of his Down tenure.  This is probably his most impressive achievement since 2005 and illustrates a man willing to do what is best.

These points would indicate to me a credible candidate for the Down County job.

There are negatives, of course.  Pete has that Mourinho effect where he always seems to leave with some sort of discontent.  Nothing serious, just people generally being cranky, but I think that comes with Petes character.  He is a hard man to love if you get what I mean but without question, he can manage a team.  He has no club championships on his CV which I would say grates him but perhaps its the county environment that suits him best and perhaps he has shown with Fermanagh this year that he is willing to bring himself into the modern game in terms of team and player preparation.

I was at that U21 final, Pete lost it on the line by not counteracting (or probably failing to recognise the to counteract) a Cork substitution made about 15 minutes from the end.

Maybe so but apart from 2010 there hasn't been anything near that since.
I also recall a switch he made in Celtic Park in 94 that nullified Joe Brolly. Thankfully Eamon Coleman didn't make a switch that may have nullified Mickey Linden that day.

Some times along the line there may be no better option than the players on the pitch at that time. Also am sure he will have learned from that too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on August 23, 2015, 09:37:08 AM
Thanks qubdub for your input on our facilities but cant see the county board writing that cheque any time soon. :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 23, 2015, 12:03:23 PM
if you need to be reminded how down and ulster teams dominated at the start of the 90's watch tg4 at 7.15 tonight. brillant memories.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on August 24, 2015, 12:52:19 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on August 22, 2015, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 02:02:15 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 22, 2015, 01:02:17 PM
Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 22, 2015, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 10:59:33 AM
Time to wipe the slate clean. Identify issues and address them both short and long term.

Short term things like managers for senior, minor, u21 need to be  appointed asap especially with championships in full swing. McCorry treated poorly so let's hope that doesn't deter potential candidates. Forget outside managers, I'd take a down man over a mercenary any day.

Long term is where the real fun happens. GAA is dying on its knees in parts of this county and to some people they wouldn't even know or care. Forget underage county development squads as a priority and get a real injection into places like the lecale district, Dpk and Newry. Get structures in place within all the primary schools, direct whatever resources are available to these areas. For a town of newrys size to not have a proper challenging senior side is a reflection on the county as a whole. Oh and also get Glenn new facilities.

So let me get this straight, you want to appoint short managers for senior, u21 and minor and you want to ditch the development squads and direct all our resources into lecale district, Downpatrick (same place no?) and Newry?  That should certainly sort things out  ::)
Read it again dickweed  ::)

You don't happen to be on the county board, do you?

I have and that's what I take from your post.  No, I am not on the County Board.   


Quote from: qubdub on August 22, 2015, 12:41:42 PM

Read it again dickweed  ::)


Class
Okay, so you are just being deliberately obtuse, fair enough.

In the interests of clarity I will reiterate my points for those who are on the slow side of things.

I am not calling for short managers. No one should be discriminated against on the basis of their height. They should be chosen on merit alone, preferably within the confines of this county and should be appointed sooner rather than later.

I am not calling for the ditching of development squads. They are inherently important. I am suggesting the main focus should be to develop GAA in areas in this county where it should be flourishing, but isn't. Do you not think it ridiculous that a virtually 99% nationalist city like Newry does not have a senior club? Likewise in much of East Down, there is a huge disparity between the GAA there and the south of the county.

I am not blaming anyone on this, but it's time it was addressed. People are incessant in their gurning about results on the field of play but blissfully disregard the massive imbalance in our county. The clubs have their part to play to and they should be dragged into cooperating if need be. Bombard the schools with coaches, organise trips to Pairc Esler, Croker etc. in parts of South Down in the traditional strongholds this just simply isn't needed as Gaelic football is bred into them.

Out of interest when is the last time a South Down club had to fold?
When was the last time an East Down Club folded as I can't think of any other than Ballykinlar being currently on it's knees?

Annsborough ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 24, 2015, 05:19:59 AM
Killyleagh folded about 15 years ago but reformed recently. Annsborough folded but the fin have pretty much replaced them. Things must be bad with Aghaderg they couldnt field against us in the jfc, im not sure for the reason though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on August 24, 2015, 11:01:22 AM
Killyleagh seems to have given up on any more senior football this season. Fair play to Aghaderg they are least trying to field although i note they didnt play Ardglass. Bright didnt field v Teconnaught in league will they play them in the championship. They can still progress to quarters without playing a game. Madness.

JFC games not being played is embarrassing and does nothing to promote the competition. Should return to a straight knockout format with an open draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on August 24, 2015, 03:02:47 PM
Most people on here seem to be agreed that they don't want to return to Paddy O'R, or Ross/DJ or that Pete would politely say no and I'd tend to agree with this. My suggestion tho is that why don't the county board set up all these guys plus wee james in a committee with the remit of selecting our next senior, U21 and minor management teams and that the selected managers set out there stall for three years and cannot be voted out by clubs within that time. At the same time set up a committee to oversee the underage development including people like the school football coaches throughout the county, liam hardy who is a great coach and people of that nature so we have an organised blueprint to work from and we have players teams and coaches beiong monitored. We need to get this approach more streamlined asap.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 24, 2015, 03:24:55 PM
Took in the double header in Newry last night.
Both games were crap. The standard of basics at adult level in the county leaves a lot to be desired.
Hard to pick out any county standard players who would really shine.

Glenn game was competitive but 'Point never looked in danger of losing it. Hadn't seen much of them recently but was impressed with Glenn's hunger and endeavour.
The Bridge game was woeful. The atmosphere was non-existent across the ground. Castlewellan are a nice wee team of light soccer players, with Bridge more battle-hardened/streetwise and so gobbled them up at their leisure. It was a stroll in the park for Mayobridge. But their production line is obviously drying up when you look across their panel and the age profile of some of their players.

Loughinisland had a great win over Ballymartin, who again fail to deliver when real questions are asked. Expect Louginisland to walk that championship.
Wasn't really anything else to shout about in terms of results I don't think.

Lets hope for a decent game tonight in Burren. Surely O'Hagan's absence has to tip the balance towards Rostrevor now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 24, 2015, 04:11:31 PM
Anyone know if there is an entrance fee for the clonduff v rostrevor replay tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 24, 2015, 04:28:08 PM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on August 24, 2015, 11:01:22 AM
Killyleagh seems to have given up on any more senior football this season. Fair play to Aghaderg they are least trying to field although i note they didnt play Ardglass. Bright didnt field v Teconnaught in league will they play them in the championship. They can still progress to quarters without playing a game. Madness.

JFC games not being played is embarrassing and does nothing to promote the competition. Should return to a straight knockout format with an open draw.

JFC has been crap this year.
The round robin is a mess with teams not fielding etc.
The fact that you get to play a championship game on your home turf takes away from what a championship game should be all about.
No team programmes available at any JFC game I've been at.
All these things combined have really diminished the competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 24, 2015, 06:16:50 PM
Congratulations to former Kilclief hurler and footballer Cormac Sharvin on being selected to play in next months walker cup. Even bigger achievement considering he only took up golf at 15.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on August 24, 2015, 06:33:05 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on August 24, 2015, 04:28:08 PM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on August 24, 2015, 11:01:22 AM
Killyleagh seems to have given up on any more senior football this season. Fair play to Aghaderg they are least trying to field although i note they didnt play Ardglass. Bright didnt field v Teconnaught in league will they play them in the championship. They can still progress to quarters without playing a game. Madness.

JFC games not being played is embarrassing and does nothing to promote the competition. Should return to a straight knockout format with an open draw.

JFC has been crap this year.
The round robin is a mess with teams not fielding etc.
The fact that you get to play a championship game on your home turf takes away from what a championship game should be all about.
No team programmes available at any JFC game I've been at.
All these things combined have really diminished the competition.
I agree. I wonder are the county board doing everything they can to promote it though?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 24, 2015, 08:13:54 PM
There's a million and one things I could stick the boot into the county board for at the moment, but the JFC and its promotion isn't one of them.

It's pure catch 22. Have an elongated championship and clubs don't even see it out. Play a knockout championship and get umbrage for not providing enough competitive games for the smaller clubs to improve.

Sadly, too many of the clubs in this competition are at the prickly edge of the predicament that is swamping Down football at present; there's not enough people who want to play the game. And as hard as it is being a committee man / coach in a successful club, doing so for a club which can't inspire 15 able bodied men to play the game must be soul destroying. The will to raise funds, maintain facilities and bring through your children and relatives must be so difficult to call upon.


Mark by words, there's a house of cards waiting to fall. We will lose have a dozen clubs this decade.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 24, 2015, 08:33:46 PM
I wouldnt blame the county board either for clubs not fielding in the jfc. We havent even played a championship game yet this year. The problem is not just restricted to Down, there are clubs all over the country struggling with numbers, having said that I cant see 6 clubs folding in next ten years in down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on August 24, 2015, 09:35:28 PM
I'm in no way suggesting the county board are responsible, just questioning whether there things they could be doing. Is 13-a-side for example, a realistic remedy, say for the likes of Ballykinlers, Killyleaghs etc. What about amalgamating? I don't mean to be harsh but I sometimes wonder what is the point of these clubs existing if they can't field an adult team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 24, 2015, 09:43:48 PM
I dont think 13 - a side is an option because the winners of the jfc qualify for the Ulster jfc which is 15 a side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on August 24, 2015, 10:21:30 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 24, 2015, 08:13:54 PM
There's a million and one things I could stick the boot into the county board for at the moment, but the JFC and its promotion isn't one of them.

It's pure catch 22. Have an elongated championship and clubs don't even see it out. Play a knockout championship and get umbrage for not providing enough competitive games for the smaller clubs to improve.

Sadly, too many of the clubs in this competition are at the prickly edge of the predicament that is swamping Down football at present; there's not enough people who want to play the game. And as hard as it is being a committee man / coach in a successful club, doing so for a club which can't inspire 15 able bodied men to play the game must be soul destroying. The will to raise funds, maintain facilities and bring through your children and relatives must be so difficult to call upon.

Mark by words, there's a house of cards waiting to fall. We will lose have a dozen clubs this decade.

Ballykinlar withdrew from competition this year and it looks like Killyleagh are gone for the rest of the season. Aghaderg have had difficulties fielding in the past few weeks.
The standard of junior football in the county has been at its worst for some time. Playing numbers are definitely down and this was evidenced this year by a lot of teams going to games with only 16/17 players.
Definitely don't think we will lose a dozen clubs in the next decade but we could well lose a couple.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on August 24, 2015, 10:33:50 PM
the changes to the playing age for seniors will certainly not help those clubs struggling for numbers.

the new u19 , u17, u15 grading is another disaster waiting to happen. Down should have concentrated on developing instead of being a guinea pig for headquarters. no doubt there was a financial incentive to take part :o

after three years of it then changing it back if it doesn't work ?

ill thought. nobody can even tell me if it follows the school year or the calendar year yet the very same voted for it . why vote if you aren't sure how it works ????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on August 25, 2015, 12:06:51 AM
As I have said before can this county really sustain 48 clubs. In my opinion around 40 would be sufficient for our population. Even our large larger town clubs are struggle to field underage teams. East Down seems to be struggling the most, even 13 a side underage teams aren't fielding or are fulfilling meaningless fixtures with very young teams. I know the GAA is parish based but maybe it's time look beyond this. The only people who loose out when a team doesn't field are the dedicated players so perhaps it's time to rationalise our clubs. For example and in no particular order or preference but can Banbridge area, Downpatrick area, Mourne, Newry, or mid Down around Drumaness Loughinisland, Teconnaght really support the current number of clubs going into the future. Our greatest resource is our youth and they aren't born with parish or club rivalries. As we have seen from our own county history even the bitterest of rivals amalgamated only to strengthen the new club, nobody died and very few walked away
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on August 25, 2015, 08:30:03 AM
Is it a parenting issue these days?  Are kids too fond of sitting in the house now to play Games consoles, Ipads etc.  Or is it an issue where too much commitment is expected of senior club players these days that it puts the 'next generation' off the commitment for GAA.  Some clubs start pre season in November doing Gym work 3-4 nights a week.  Is this needed?  are we losing the ability of playing football by concentrating too much on weights etc.  Young lads need nurtured and not rushed.  The cream will always rise to the top and maybe the new age groups will help protect young fellas from being thrown in straight to senior football.  A year or two extra at their own age group along with playing a bit of reserve/premier reserve football would maybe be more beneficial whilst getting the odd call up to a senior team. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Red eye on August 25, 2015, 08:44:25 AM
See 4 South Down clubs through to quarter finals of Senior c'ship - CPN, Burren, Rostrevor and Mayobridge. Still think Kilcoo will have a major say in the c'ship.
What happens if Kilcoo come through - can they play Burren again in a quarter or semi final?
Can previous match ups happen, or is the system set so that is avoided until say final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on August 25, 2015, 11:07:01 AM
Its a strange one alright.  Seeing it in county football, the team who was beaten the first day and comes through to play a rematch always seem to have an advantage.  Imagine as Rostrevor pulling Clonduff in the Quarter finals, that would mean Rostrevor beat them in Round 2 and the prize would be... a quarter final against Clonduff!!  Strange.  On last nights game, it was a very exciting game - a lot of good young players on show on both teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on August 25, 2015, 11:30:06 AM
would introducing stronger clubs 2nds teams such as burren kilcoo and mayobridge into the JFC help make it more competitve? if killyleagh and ballykiner were competing in a junior b competition they might get a few more competitive games and it would be an incentive to stay playing as they would be competitive as opposed to getting beaten most of the time. I know I used this idea for intermediate championship but surely it would benefit the junior championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 25, 2015, 12:06:46 PM
Quote from: Gaa for life on August 25, 2015, 11:30:06 AM
would introducing stronger clubs 2nds teams such as burren kilcoo and mayobridge into the JFC help make it more competitve? if killyleagh and ballykiner were competing in a junior b competition they might get a few more competitive games and it would be an incentive to stay playing as they would be competitive as opposed to getting beaten most of the time. I know I used this idea for intermediate championship but surely it would benefit the junior championship

It used to be like that. I remember Clonduff 2nds beating us in the Junior championship in the 80s. :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on August 25, 2015, 12:22:43 PM
Quote from: ardtole on August 24, 2015, 09:43:48 PM
I dont think 13 - a side is an option because the winners of the jfc qualify for the Ulster jfc which is 15 a side.
I know, was just thinking out loud, maybe along the lines of giving clubs the option of playing the match 13-a-side in the group matches only? Out of curiosity, do aghaderg struggle as much fielding for hurling?

I don't know if a junior b is the way forward, nor the introduction of 2nds teams as I fear they would just win it every year. Though I do have vague recollections of 2nds sides being junior before, and funnily enough winning it. It's actually startling when you begin to think of all the clubs that once fielded at one stage or another in down that either folded or amalgamated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 25, 2015, 01:12:08 PM
Well, for clubs struggling to field, maybe having the option of 7s league(s) would be useful.

Although, I guess fixture congestion would marginalise the idea before it gets off the ground.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAAHEAD1960 on August 25, 2015, 02:39:12 PM
What is the defence for multiple championship games? I really think it takes away from the whole thing as straight knock out produced some great matches. Seems to me that it is purely about money (from what I hear county takes the admission fees) and so that Down is well represented in Ulster. It doesn't give the "smaller clubs" a better chance as it would take a  very strong squad to be able to win 6 games in a row with the chance of having to beat the same team twice, it pretty much means the competition is a non-event until the quarter final as the chance of a surprise is very small. Just elongating an already long season to no avail.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 25, 2015, 03:05:50 PM
Can anyone confirm the proposed dates for the county senior, intermediate and junior finals ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on August 25, 2015, 03:19:35 PM
Demographic changes present a real challenge for the GAA. Smaller families, dwindling rural population, dwindling birth rates , and perhaps political change & a less strong patriotic element to the GAA.
In addition GAA governance and legislation , though usually necessary, are making it harder to attract people to take up administrative roles. The strong "traditional" clubs will always find it easier to retain playing/coaching/admin personnel but it is much harder for the "less glamourous" clubs to develop in the face of these challenges.
What's the answer???
There is no single answer but the first step is a honest appraisal of where we are at , as a county( including our clubs).
In terms of sustainability of clubs, I think that all clubs need to be encouraged to plan for the next 10-20 years at least, and as county we need to examine what we can do to develop our club participation into the future.
The status quo is not an option for any club.
Participation peaked in the 90s and factors like county success, and developing excellent club facilities were certainly two major factors in terms of making our games glamourous. Similarly now, we must prioritise improved and sustainable county success and improving facilities for county and club teams eg floodlights, as unfavourable demographics present us with our biggest challenge yet!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on August 25, 2015, 04:03:27 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 25, 2015, 03:05:50 PM
Can anyone confirm the proposed dates for the county senior, intermediate and junior finals ?

Sunday 13th October Junior I think . assume rest is same ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 25, 2015, 05:03:50 PM
Quote from: wobbller on August 13, 2015, 04:23:38 PM
Senior and Junior Finals are to be on Oct11th.Int/Minor 4th. S/ F's of Senior and Junior are on weekend 25-27th Sept with the Semis of Minor and Intermediate the weekend before which is AIF weekend.  I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on August 25, 2015, 10:51:16 PM
Think intermediate is 4th?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on August 26, 2015, 08:58:37 AM
 Love to be a fly on the wall for tomorrow's night county Board meeting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 26, 2015, 09:44:22 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on August 26, 2015, 08:58:37 AM
Love to be a fly on the wall for tomorrow's night county Board meeting.

Full steam ahead, there be no icebergs here!!  8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on August 27, 2015, 09:02:53 AM
I think McCorry deserved another year. This year was very disappointing, much less in the results but more in the dreadful way we played. Our performances were depressing even when we won. But Jim is a highly successful coach and surely he too saw these failings and deserved the chance to put them right. Deserved the chance to try to develop a system which plays good football and wins. If next year we played the same turgid stuff, then I would have agreed that he should go.

What I don't understand is why he disposed of an efficient and winning system that he had at Kilcoo and adopted an obviously flawed system for Down:


Down under McCorry:

But he deserved a chance to correct all these errors and he is experienced and intelligent enough to have  the potential to do so
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 27, 2015, 11:25:44 AM
Trying to compare a club side with a county setup is in itself ridiculous?
By reading your comments you are supposing you know McCorry's mindset, his tactics, team setups, and how he wants his teams to play etc. Unless you are a) Jim McCorry himself or b) a Kilcoo player then youre just guessing and making assumptions or basically talkin through your arse.

There are so many sweeping statements and general assumptions in your comments its unreal.
So much of what you say is a matter of opinion and based on conjecture.

Id still like to know who the county executive actually are. Genuinely.
Be interesting to know who makes the big decisions.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 27, 2015, 11:32:49 AM
My tuppence is that a man who takes the most talented team in a competition one year, then takes an averagely talented team in a competition the following year, and tries to apply the same tactics to both teams, would probably be described as fool.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 27, 2015, 12:09:34 PM
Maybe im wording this wrong. But who are the committee or group of people that make the decisions. Is there not 14 of them?
Who is it that McCorry met with or who is it that prospective candidates meets with.
Info would be useful, ie names and clubs.

County Secretary - Sean Og McAteer
Chairman - Sean Rooney
Vice Chairman - John Devaney
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on August 27, 2015, 12:53:57 PM
Other members on the executive commitee I think are
Donal Mc Nally
W J Smith
Jarlath Tinnelly
Maureen o Higgins
Paula Maggee
Diarmuid Cahill
Michael Mc Ardle
Sean Mc Cashlin
Seamus Walsh ?
Brendan Fitzpatrick
Cant think of the other name
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 27, 2015, 02:01:48 PM
I think yas are being a bit harsh on PaulD there, he makes some valid points.  If you look at the forward line that played against Wexford I think it included Laverty, O Hare, Maginn, Jerome and Poland.  Is it not a simple thing to see that that forward line will struggle to win their own ball, will struggle to win breaking ball and will struggle to take scores from outside 30 yards.  Add to that the teams that overpowered us in the league yet Jim continued on his merry way. 

It might be a fool to think that an average county team can play the same as good club team but it would also be a fool to think that continuing along the same path that hasnt been successful in the past will suddenly become successful in the future.

One thing that I would disagree with is the playing of McKernan at CHB.  He is one of the best shot takers on the team and we would need him further up the field.  Besides he doesnt have the discipline to play that role.  I personally would prefer the stopper sort of CHB in the Peter Turley or Declan Rooney sort of mold.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 27, 2015, 08:22:38 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 27, 2015, 12:09:34 PM
Maybe im wording this wrong. But who are the committee or group of people that make the decisions. Is there not 14 of them?
Who is it that McCorry met with or who is it that prospective candidates meets with.
Info would be useful, ie names and clubs.

County Secretary - Sean Og McAteer
Chairman - Sean Rooney
Vice Chairman - John Devaney

Quote from: NP 76 on August 27, 2015, 12:53:57 PM
Other members on the executive commitee I think are
Donal Mc Nally
W J Smith
Jarlath Tinnelly
Maureen o Higgins
Paula Maggee
Diarmuid Cahill
Michael Mc Ardle
Sean Mc Cashlin
Seamus Walsh ?
Brendan Fitzpatrick
Cant think of the other name

So these are the footballing brains of our County who are making so many mistakes vital decisions about who should be in charge of our teams, WTF?  I would like to know how many have ever kicked a ball, never mind played at any kind of decent level or even represented Down, I would hazard a guess at 0.  You can guarantee that the two wemen certainly haven't yet their votes are counted like the rest.  These individuals remind me of a bit of a 'gather up' , you don't have many options to put a team together so anybody will do.

If I had the choice I would be replacing these individuals before I would be replacing Shane Mulholland or Jim Mc Corry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 27, 2015, 08:43:24 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 27, 2015, 08:22:38 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 27, 2015, 12:09:34 PM
Maybe im wording this wrong. But who are the committee or group of people that make the decisions. Is there not 14 of them?
Who is it that McCorry met with or who is it that prospective candidates meets with.
Info would be useful, ie names and clubs.

County Secretary - Sean Og McAteer
Chairman - Sean Rooney
Vice Chairman - John Devaney

Quote from: NP 76 on August 27, 2015, 12:53:57 PM
Other members on the executive commitee I think are
Donal Mc Nally
W J Smith
Jarlath Tinnelly
Maureen o Higgins
Paula Maggee
Diarmuid Cahill
Michael Mc Ardle
Sean Mc Cashlin
Seamus Walsh ?
Brendan Fitzpatrick
Cant think of the other name

So these are the footballing brains of our County who are making so many mistakes vital decisions about who should be in charge of our teams, WTF?  I would like to know how many have ever kicked a ball, never mind played at any kind of decent level or even represented Down, I would hazard a guess at 0.  You can guarantee that the two wemen certainly haven't yet their votes are counted like the rest.  These individuals remind me of a bit of a 'gather up' , you don't have many options to put a team together so anybody will do.

If I had the choice I would be replacing these individuals before I would be replacing Shane Mulholland or Jim Mc Corry.

sure blame the women. its all their fault.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on August 27, 2015, 08:44:25 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 27, 2015, 08:43:24 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 27, 2015, 08:22:38 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 27, 2015, 12:09:34 PM
Maybe im wording this wrong. But who are the committee or group of people that make the decisions. Is there not 14 of them?
Who is it that McCorry met with or who is it that prospective candidates meets with.
Info would be useful, ie names and clubs.

County Secretary - Sean Og McAteer
Chairman - Sean Rooney
Vice Chairman - John Devaney

Quote from: NP 76 on August 27, 2015, 12:53:57 PM
Other members on the executive commitee I think are
Donal Mc Nally
W J Smith
Jarlath Tinnelly
Maureen o Higgins
Paula Maggee
Diarmuid Cahill
Michael Mc Ardle
Sean Mc Cashlin
Seamus Walsh ?
Brendan Fitzpatrick
Cant think of the other name

So these are the footballing brains of our County who are making so many mistakes vital decisions about who should be in charge of our teams, WTF?  I would like to know how many have ever kicked a ball, never mind played at any kind of decent level or even represented Down, I would hazard a guess at 0.  You can guarantee that the two wemen certainly haven't yet their votes are counted like the rest.  These individuals remind me of a bit of a 'gather up' , you don't have many options to put a team together so anybody will do.

If I had the choice I would be replacing these individuals before I would be replacing Shane Mulholland or Jim Mc Corry.

sure blame the women. its all their fault.

2 of many and it's not just their fault.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 27, 2015, 09:23:05 PM
Impressive win and an excellent performance from Glenn tonight AWAY in mayobridge..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 27, 2015, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 27, 2015, 09:23:05 PM
Impressive win and an excellent performance from Glenn tonight AWAY in mayobridge..

Ffs not again . Time for a separate Glenn thread.  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 27, 2015, 10:04:04 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 27, 2015, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 27, 2015, 09:23:05 PM
Impressive win and an excellent performance from Glenn tonight AWAY in mayobridge..

Ffs not again . Time for a separate Glenn thread.  :)

Just highlighting the fact that we can win away from home and our facilities have fcuk all to do with us only accumulating points at home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 27, 2015, 10:16:13 PM
I doubt the bridge give a fiddlers about the league at this stage of the season in fairness.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GreenGiant on August 27, 2015, 10:32:14 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 27, 2015, 10:16:13 PM
I doubt the bridge give a fiddlers about the league at this stage of the season in fairness.

In fairness Glenn can only beat what's in front of them

P.s the bridge had out what seemed to be a full strength team

Glenn definitely deserved the win this evening by far the better team

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 28, 2015, 09:08:40 AM
Anyone any news from the county board meeting last night? Id say there were no resignations?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on August 28, 2015, 10:03:39 AM
I heard Eoin McCartan and Sean O'Hare confirmed as minor management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on August 28, 2015, 11:16:30 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on August 27, 2015, 08:22:38 PM

So these are the footballing brains of our County who are making so many mistakes vital decisions about who should be in charge of our teams, WTF?  I would like to know how many have ever kicked a ball, never mind played at any kind of decent level or even represented Down, I would hazard a guess at 0.  You can guarantee that the two wemen certainly haven't yet their votes are counted like the rest.  These individuals remind me of a bit of a 'gather up' , you don't have many options to put a team together so anybody will do.

If I had the choice I would be replacing these individuals before I would be replacing Shane Mulholland or Jim Mc Corry.


I sincerely hope that's a joke, as if their gender has any bearing on the situation, I think it's good that there are at least some women on the committee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on August 28, 2015, 11:34:39 AM
Would find that hard to believe about Eoin Mc Cartan. Wouldn't of been as surprised if Dans name was mentioned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on August 28, 2015, 11:50:38 AM
The sooner Conor Laverty takes up a significant coaching role with the County the better.  He will be an excellent coach/manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on August 28, 2015, 03:35:09 PM
I am just after hearing that Ambrose has done his cruciate again. If this is true it's a massive blow to the lad and to Longstone. Did anyone else hear this ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 28, 2015, 09:08:15 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on August 28, 2015, 03:35:09 PM
I am just after hearing that Ambrose has done his cruciate again. If this is true it's a massive blow to the lad and to Longstone. Did anyone else hear this ?
yeah afraid its true. Did it a couple of weeks ago after landing awkwardly. Massive blow for him personally and the stone.

Kilcoo beat clonduff easily enough tonight, Connor laverty got straight red at the death though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on August 31, 2015, 03:56:21 PM
 Very quiet around here. Civil servants and the like all on holiday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 31, 2015, 08:49:48 PM
well done to ballymartin on gaining promotion tonight. they beat their near neighbours an riocht 1-11 to 0-11 to clinch top spot. that leaves loughinisland in the promotion play off spot, which wont be an easy game for whatever division 1 team they end up playing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 31, 2015, 09:04:40 PM
Congrats to Ballymartin, they seemed to have come back from the dead the last couple of years.

Why was Burren Kilcoo called off tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on August 31, 2015, 09:08:16 PM
Went up to Burren tonight to watch Burren v  kilcoo tonight
only to be told by 'man at the gate' kilcoo phoned 'an hour ago' saying they would not be fielding. Kilcoo play championship Friday night. Reckon they didn't want 2 games in a week and keep their powder dry for championship meeting with Burren

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 31, 2015, 09:44:48 PM
Well if that is true they should be awarding points to Burren. Bad form.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on August 31, 2015, 09:49:03 PM
Is that Division two complete then?
Ballymartin up, loughinisland in play off
Bottom 8 relegated ?

Last game probably won't be played as the results make no difference?
 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on August 31, 2015, 10:14:26 PM
What way is division 2 going to be split up?
Can teams at the bottom get relegated to division 4?
Does the top of division 3 get promoted to division 2 or the new division 3?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 01, 2015, 12:06:18 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on August 31, 2015, 09:08:16 PM
Went up to Burren tonight to watch Burren v  kilcoo tonight
only to be told by 'man at the gate' kilcoo phoned 'an hour ago' saying they would not be fielding. Kilcoo play championship Friday night. Reckon they didn't want 2 games in a week and keep their powder dry for championship meeting with Burren

If Kilcoo's only reason for not fielding in a league match is to be rested for the championship then that is an insult to the GAA and the opposition players that showed up to play them. It is very unsporting and unfair. If it is true then frankly they should be punished by being kicked out of the championship.

Having said that, it is all based on the theory that it is the reason they didn't field. It is great getting upset about conjecture and gossip. In fact they probably had a much better reason for not fielding and don't deserve the harsh punishment i described above. BUT if it were true!!!!
Title: Re: Six teams to go down this year folks?
Post by: GreenGiant on September 03, 2015, 10:15:01 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on March 10, 2015, 02:03:25 PM
Clonduff and Downpatrick are likely to stay up. Better bets to be involved would be Ballyholland, Saval and Rostrevor.

The league table looks very interesting. Some teams in the relegation battle who many a person would not of expected back in March. Likewise for some of the teams who stayed up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 03, 2015, 04:37:59 PM
  A long wait for some to know their fate for next year's Leagues. Kilcoo
will hope they are County Champions by then and the outlay will be
worth it for another year but they really need to win Ulster to justify all
their spending this and other years,never mind the bad manners of not fielding
and putting out weakened teams for league matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on September 04, 2015, 11:18:48 AM
Kilcoo not showing up for a league game with Burren is a total DISGRACE. The county board should really be throwing punishments towards them. shows the disrespect they have for the league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on September 04, 2015, 12:42:59 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on July 26, 2015, 12:45:51 AM
Quote from: redzone on July 25, 2015, 09:53:12 PM
Would down supporters on here be on for Pete to take down next year?
Go away and mind your own business.We have a Manager in place for 2016 and hopefully Pete  in Fermanagh does the business v Dublin.
Neither of Jim McCorry being Manager and Fermanagh beating the Dubs are of concern now. Is it time this happened?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on September 04, 2015, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on September 01, 2015, 12:06:18 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on August 31, 2015, 09:08:16 PM
Went up to Burren tonight to watch Burren v  kilcoo tonight
only to be told by 'man at the gate' kilcoo phoned 'an hour ago' saying they would not be fielding. Kilcoo play championship Friday night. Reckon they didn't want 2 games in a week and keep their powder dry for championship meeting with Burren

If Kilcoo's only reason for not fielding in a league match is to be rested for the championship then that is an insult to the GAA and the opposition players that showed up to play them. It is very unsporting and unfair. If it is true then frankly they should be punished by being kicked out of the championship.

Having said that, it is all based on the theory that it is the reason they didn't field. It is great getting upset about conjecture and gossip. In fact they probably had a much better reason for not fielding and don't deserve the harsh punishment i described above. BUT if it were true!!!!

Others can correct me if I'm wrong, but is there not a 7 day period before championship games where clubs don't have to play league?

Outrageous to suggest any team should be thrown out of championship because they didn't field in a league game. Fine them like any other team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 04, 2015, 07:19:09 PM
Yes I can confirm that you are wrong.. There is no such rule whatsoever.. The ruling that you maybe getting confused about is that you will get at least 5 days notice of a senior club championship game.. There is no set minimum rest period in the rule book regarding league v championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on September 04, 2015, 08:56:09 PM
Glenn 0-5
Kilcoo 0-4

HT in Newry, upset possible?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 05, 2015, 10:28:56 AM
How did it finish up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 05, 2015, 10:31:57 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 05, 2015, 10:28:56 AM
How did it finish up?
kilcoo 0-12 glenn 0-7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Red eye on September 05, 2015, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 05, 2015, 10:31:57 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 05, 2015, 10:28:56 AM
How did it finish up?
kilcoo 0-12 glenn 0-7

The rest from league football obviously did the trick lol

Any further info on them not fielding in the League match? Bad manners and disrespectful - what are the County Board going to do? Deduct points? Fine?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Red eye on September 05, 2015, 03:56:54 PM
On another issue see Brendan Rice was refereeing the AI Ladies Intermediate Semi Final - thought he did well and based on that would expect to see him getting more games at this level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 05, 2015, 06:51:59 PM
I personally think Brendan is the best referee in the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 05, 2015, 07:00:59 PM
Paul Falloon..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on September 05, 2015, 08:03:55 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on September 05, 2015, 06:51:59 PM
I personally think Brendan is the best referee in the county
Quote from: Hedgehunter on September 05, 2015, 07:00:59 PM
Paul Falloon..
Following Falloons performance inthe Ulster minor final,amongst other games , he was reckoned to be the best young referee in the COUNTRY according to a former top referee currently responsible for appointing refs for all top games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: one day on September 05, 2015, 09:30:21 PM
Paul Fallon is easily the best referee in the County
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 06, 2015, 01:33:45 PM
It's a pity that Burren v Kilcoo is only a quarter final and not the decider but it should be quite a game. Bryansford seem to have flopped against against Liatroim so it is difficult to see Dawson as a serious contender for the county post on the basis of his recent record at club level and with the u21s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on September 06, 2015, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on September 05, 2015, 06:51:59 PM
I personally think Brendan is the best referee in the county
Good referee but the problem is that Brendan Rice thinks Brendan Rice is the best referee in the County/Country (delete as appropriate).  Paul Falloon is doing well whenever I have seen he but he can be slow to blow the whistle which is grand as he is generally the same for both teams. He is much better than many of the trigger happy men who blow for the most petty reasons making many inconsistent decisions.  We aren't exactly blessed with many top class men at present.

Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 06, 2015, 01:33:45 PM
It's a pity that Burren v Kilcoo is only a quarter final and not the decider but it should be quite a game. Bryansford seem to have flopped against against Liatroim so it is difficult to see Dawson as a serious contender for the county post on the basis of his recent record at club level and with the u21s.
This has to be one of the biggest shocks in a while.  There is no doubt that Bryansford have some serious talent at their disposal but there is just something lacking when it comes to big games.  Dawson's last three teams of Antrim, Down U.21's and Bryansford have all flopped and some would say that Burren also underachieved under him.  Would he be the man the county board will turn to is right Mourne Rover and I would imagine that the last few seasons would be taken into account.  The answer is probably no then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 06, 2015, 02:35:57 PM
Some result for Liatroim was anyone at it??? hard to work out whats going wrong at Bryansford but no doubt its the end of the road for Dawson. Burren v Kilcoo will be a cracker as long as Kilcoo decide to field a team. Went to Newry last night for the double header second game was a stroll for the Town who were annihilated a few weeks back by the same Longstone team which is hard to believe, but I enjoyed the first game must admit was pleasantly surprised at Ballyholland, was expecting a dire defensive encounter but it was entertaining right to the end, Clonduff will feel hard done by but only themselves to blame, Barry O Hagan who was excellent all night committed a silly foul on the 45 line which the free then directly resulted in Ballyholland getting their winning goal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on September 06, 2015, 04:20:31 PM
Brendan rice is a good referee and Paul fallon is improving all the time neil cousins is a good referee you never come away from a game blaming him for a defeat our bad decisions doesn't get everything right but fair to both teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on September 06, 2015, 08:05:53 PM
County board meeting over fixtures dates venues and times sorted for this weekend's games sent out to clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 06, 2015, 08:19:15 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 06, 2015, 02:35:57 PM
Some result for Liatroim was anyone at it??? hard to work out whats going wrong at Bryansford but no doubt its the end of the road for Dawson. Burren v Kilcoo will be a cracker as long as Kilcoo decide to field a team. Went to Newry last night for the double header second game was a stroll for the Town who were annihilated a few weeks back by the same Longstone team which is hard to believe, but I enjoyed the first game must admit was pleasantly surprised at Ballyholland, was expecting a dire defensive encounter but it was entertaining right to the end, Clonduff will feel hard done by but only themselves to blame, Barry O Hagan who was excellent all night committed a silly foul on the 45 line which the free then directly resulted in Ballyholland getting their winning goal.

I was at it and have to say fair play to Liatroim who won on the day...as individuals probably 2-3 players max you could say would get on the Bryansford team yet collectively they beat what on paper looked a stronger team..Bryansford started brightly and where fairly well in control yet for all there control and playing with a decent breeze where only 5-6 pts up going into half time when Liatriom got a goal on the stroke of half time to being them back into it...the 1st point of the 2nd half went to the Ford but after that Liatroim hit a purple patch and totally outplayed the Ford for a 10-15 min period and then the teams matched each other to the end. Liatroim had big games from Liam Doyle, Pearse Og McCrickard and Colman Doyle who in the 2nd half when he was taken out into the middle along with Doyle gave Liatroim a foothold but to be fair the entire team done well. Bryansford on paper looked good but in reality look a very average team and have went back since McGrath had them. For me the team that lined out for Ford was far from the strongest team available to them on the day so responsibility most lie with Dawson and his backroom team. Cant see the Ford doing much with Dawson now but he's not the right man for Down either. Liatroim wont win the championship but could give the Bridge a game of it who they wont fear.
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Post by: ApresMatch on September 06, 2015, 08:34:27 PM
Any word on fixtures, dates and venues for championship next weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on September 06, 2015, 08:44:31 PM
All on down Web site
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Red eye on September 06, 2015, 10:38:50 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on September 06, 2015, 08:34:27 PM
Any word on fixtures, dates and venues for championship next weekend?

Double header at Newry on Saturday - should be good evening's entertainment - CPN v Castlewellan and Burren v Kilcoo - hard to call but would take the Point and Kilcoo to come through. Ballyholland and Mayobridge to come through in other two. If so hope Mayobridge and Kilcoo kept apart in semis :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 07, 2015, 09:51:02 AM
Quote from: Red eye on September 06, 2015, 10:38:50 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on September 06, 2015, 08:34:27 PM
Any word on fixtures, dates and venues for championship next weekend?

Double header at Newry on Saturday - should be good evening's entertainment - CPN v Castlewellan and Burren v Kilcoo - hard to call but would take the Point and Kilcoo to come through. Ballyholland and Mayobridge to come through in other two. If so hope Mayobridge and Kilcoo kept apart in semis :)

Why would you take Kilcoo to beat Burren, when Burren have pretty much swept everyone aside this year so far? I know league and championship are very different but Burren look pretty impressive so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on September 07, 2015, 09:55:34 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on September 07, 2015, 09:51:02 AM
Quote from: Red eye on September 06, 2015, 10:38:50 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on September 06, 2015, 08:34:27 PM
Any word on fixtures, dates and venues for championship next weekend?

Double header at Newry on Saturday - should be good evening's entertainment - CPN v Castlewellan and Burren v Kilcoo - hard to call but would take the Point and Kilcoo to come through. Ballyholland and Mayobridge to come through in other two. If so hope Mayobridge and Kilcoo kept apart in semis :)

Why would you take Kilcoo to beat Burren, when Burren have pretty much swept everyone aside this year so far? I know league and championship are very different but Burren look pretty impressive so far.

I'd say probably based on the fact a 14 man kilcoo took them to extra time in the first round and only for a lucky goal by McKernan should have beat them.

I think this one will go to extra time again. Really have no idea who will win it. Burren maybe have a slight edge knowing they've already beat them
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Post by: whitegoodman on September 07, 2015, 01:58:32 PM
If Burren play the traditional 6 on 6 like they did in the previous meeting they will be beaten, well beaten actually !!
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Post by: rosskarr on September 07, 2015, 04:53:22 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on September 07, 2015, 01:58:32 PM
If Burren play the traditional 6 on 6 like they did in the previous meeting they will be beaten, well beaten actually !!
I agree. Kilcoo's to lose and it ain't going to happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Red eye on September 07, 2015, 07:59:13 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on September 07, 2015, 09:55:34 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on September 07, 2015, 09:51:02 AM
Quote from: Red eye on September 06, 2015, 10:38:50 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on September 06, 2015, 08:34:27 PM
Any word on fixtures, dates and venues for championship next weekend?

Double header at Newry on Saturday - should be good evening's entertainment - CPN v Castlewellan and Burren v Kilcoo - hard to call but would take the Point and Kilcoo to come through. Ballyholland and Mayobridge to come through in other two. If so hope Mayobridge and Kilcoo kept apart in semis :)

Why would you take Kilcoo to beat Burren, when Burren have pretty much swept everyone aside this year so far? I know league and championship are very different but Burren look pretty impressive so far.

I'd say probably based on the fact a 14 man kilcoo took them to extra time in the first round and only for a lucky goal by McKernan should have beat them.

I think this one will go to extra time again. Really have no idea who will win it. Burren maybe have a slight edge knowing they've already beat them

My thoughts are that Burren and Kilcoo will put up a big battle - unlikely to stay at 15 against 15 for a full game - if Kilcoo can get a lead and can keep their discipline will be hard to beat. Both teams have quality players throughout their squads - just feel that the previous defeat will spur Kilcoo on. Don't think you could say Burren "swept Kilcoo aside" in 1st match 😀
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 08, 2015, 09:03:12 AM
A review of Down Senior Footballers in the Irish News today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 08, 2015, 09:05:14 AM
Is it a wee small paragraph stuck in a corner?
That's all it would take to summarise the last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on September 08, 2015, 09:32:52 AM
Maybe the Irish News could consider the respective county boards in turn. Structure, personnel, funding, salaries etc. That would make for an interesting article.
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Post by: GreenGiant on September 08, 2015, 10:08:37 AM
I hear there is to be a hearing tonight about a possible replay of the Poacher Show, oh sorry i meant to type Ballyholland,  vs Glenn game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on September 08, 2015, 12:08:58 PM
This Saturday evening in Newry should be a packed house with two very big games in store. It is a pity that Burren and Kilcoo have been drawn together in the quarters as they are the two strongest teams in the county in my opinion, which would have made a great final. I think CPN have the edge over the Town, they have had a good couple of championship campaigns in recent years albeit in the IFC but their experience from long tough games in the Ulster IFC should stand by them in good stead.

On another note coming from a Junior club I am disappointed that none of the JFC games have been played in Newry this year, and most likely will not be until the final. Is this a case of possible damage being done to the playing surface due to a high volume of games? Or a matter of county hierarchy seeing the JFC as of less importance? The fact that the group games of the competition were not played at neutral venues took a bit of the 'championship' feeling out of those games as well.

Why in recent years have early round championship fixtures not been spread around the clubs to be hosted at their grounds? I would have thought this was a good source of income for the clubs and kept the neutral venue aspect of championship games intact also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 08, 2015, 12:50:22 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on September 08, 2015, 12:08:58 PM
This Saturday evening in Newry should be a packed house with two very big games in store. It is a pity that Burren and Kilcoo have been drawn together in the quarters as they are the two strongest teams in the county in my opinion, which would have made a great final. I think CPN have the edge over the Town, they have had a good couple of championship campaigns in recent years albeit in the IFC but their experience from long tough games in the Ulster IFC should stand by them in good stead.

On another note coming from a Junior club I am disappointed that none of the JFC games have been played in Newry this year, and most likely will not be until the final. Is this a case of possible damage being done to the playing surface due to a high volume of games? Or a matter of county hierarchy seeing the JFC as of less importance? The fact that the group games of the competition were not played at neutral venues took a bit of the 'championship' feeling out of those games as well.

Why in recent years have early round championship fixtures not been spread around the clubs to be hosted at their grounds? I would have thought this was a good source of income for the clubs and kept the neutral venue aspect of championship games intact also.

The final of the junior is played in Newry is it? it would be nice to see the likes of Finn and Aghaderg etc get their day out in Newry, great point. Totally agree.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on September 08, 2015, 12:55:39 PM
The Newry Democrat has an article today in which they interviewed Steve Poacher. In it he says he won't get the county job as his face does not sit well within the hierarchy of the county board and that in the future he could see himself managing other county teams. If he is serious about taking county teams at any level then he needs to seriously look at how he conducts himself on the sideline during a match. I certainly would not want him representing any county team given the way he acts on the sideline. Part of being a manager is composure and unfortunately its an area where he falls down. I watched him beside the dugouts on Saturday past at Ballyholland's match and I suppose I could understand the excitement when they got the goal but for the 25 -30 mins prior to that the language and abuse he shouted at the referee, the other team and our county officers was a disgrace. Its nothing new but if he is to give an interview citing county management aspirations then there no point in blaming the hierarchy on the county board, he needs to look at himself and change his ways. Imagine if last weekends management in croker acted like that!!!!
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Post by: Down Follower on September 08, 2015, 02:08:13 PM
On the Championship this year, what are peoples thoughts compared to A - the group stage championship we had for the past two years, and B - the traditional knockout style championship. ( I realise the Junior is still group so only IFC and SFC are changed ).

I for one think it has been much better than the group stage fare we had the past couple of years and has had that knockout feel to it even though some of the games werent strictly knockout.  Think Burren v Kilcoo, Rostrevor v Clonduff as two prime examples of games that had the feel of knockout in them.

Also, I think those people that say they wish Burren v Kilcoo were the final are wrong.  This draw gives every other team a glimmer of hope amd has raised the appetite of all the clubs.  To beat one of them would be tough, to beat both would be, well...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 08, 2015, 02:18:32 PM
In fairness, the Newry Democrat sports section isn't worth reading this weather.
Its become a vehicle for PR and media-hungry individuals involved in local GAA.
The mentality and integrity of some people who are involved with teams these days is astounding.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 08, 2015, 02:37:28 PM
I don't particularly like Poacher and don't like the style of football he promotes either, cant comment about him on Saturday as I was too far away but I did see him in the stand for the first half, cant understand why more managers don't adapt that approach, have to say as much as I do resent him, Poacher is certainly not on his own, some of the behaviour of other management teams this season in Newry have been deplorable and disrespectful towards our county board officials, it needs to be stamped out.
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Post by: whitegoodman on September 08, 2015, 02:39:45 PM
Quote from: downup on September 08, 2015, 12:55:39 PM
The Newry Democrat has an article today in which they interviewed Steve Poacher. In it he says he won't get the county job as his face does not sit well within the hierarchy of the county board and that in the future he could see himself managing other county teams. If he is serious about taking county teams at any level then he needs to seriously look at how he conducts himself on the sideline during a match. I certainly would not want him representing any county team given the way he acts on the sideline. Part of being a manager is composure and unfortunately its an area where he falls down. I watched him beside the dugouts on Saturday past at Ballyholland's match and I suppose I could understand the excitement when they got the goal but for the 25 -30 mins prior to that the language and abuse he shouted at the referee, the other team and our county officers was a disgrace. Its nothing new but if he is to give an interview citing county management aspirations then there no point in blaming the hierarchy on the county board, he needs to look at himself and change his ways. Imagine if last weekends management in croker acted like that!!!!

Thinks a lot of himself our Stevie doesnt he !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 08, 2015, 02:40:26 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 08, 2015, 02:18:32 PM
In fairness, the Newry Democrat sports section isn't worth reading this weather.
Its become a vehicle for PR and media-hungry individuals involved in local GAA.
The mentality and integrity of some people who are involved with teams these days is astounding.

Are you referring to anyone in particular there Brick????
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Post by: SHEEDY on September 08, 2015, 02:41:41 PM
why is there now a fixation with playing championship matches on saturday, sunday and monday nights. what ever happened to sunday afternoon throw in times. i know that with competition from all ireland games on tv, this wouldnt always be possible but surely fixing cpn v castlewellan for 2pm and kilcoo v burren for 3.30pm this sunday afternoon would draw a bigger crowd than saturday night or am i wrong in thinking that? when the county finals have been played on a saturday night they just havnt felt the same.
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Post by: whitegoodman on September 08, 2015, 02:51:10 PM
Couldnt agree more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 08, 2015, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: downup on September 08, 2015, 12:55:39 PM
The Newry Democrat has an article today in which they interviewed Steve Poacher. In it he says he won't get the county job as his face does not sit well within the hierarchy of the county board and that in the future he could see himself managing other county teams. If he is serious about taking county teams at any level then he needs to seriously look at how he conducts himself on the sideline during a match. I certainly would not want him representing any county team given the way he acts on the sideline. Part of being a manager is composure and unfortunately its an area where he falls down. I watched him beside the dugouts on Saturday past at Ballyholland's match and I suppose I could understand the excitement when they got the goal but for the 25 -30 mins prior to that the language and abuse he shouted at the referee, the other team and our county officers was a disgrace. Its nothing new but if he is to give an interview citing county management aspirations then there no point in blaming the hierarchy on the county board, he needs to look at himself and change his ways. Imagine if last weekends management in croker acted like that!!!!
Have to agree with your comments. I also have witnessed this man's behaviour along the line at a couple of matches - not very enjoyable to watch or listen to. At the same time Ballyholland have had a decent seasons to date.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 08, 2015, 04:21:10 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 08, 2015, 02:41:41 PM
why is there now a fixation with playing championship matches on saturday, sunday and monday nights. what ever happened to sunday afternoon throw in times. i know that with competition from all ireland games on tv, this wouldnt always be possible but surely fixing cpn v castlewellan for 2pm and kilcoo v burren for 3.30pm this sunday afternoon would draw a bigger crowd than saturday night or am i wrong in thinking that? when the county finals have been played on a saturday night they just havnt felt the same.

they realised I was off Saturday evening and working Sunday, I thank them for accommodating me and am looking forward to hopefully two cracking games.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 08, 2015, 04:52:09 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 08, 2015, 02:37:28 PM
I don't particularly like Poacher and don't like the style of football he promotes either, cant comment about him on Saturday as I was too far away but I did see him in the stand for the first half, cant understand why more managers don't adapt that approach, have to say as much as I do resent him, Poacher is certainly not on his own, some of the behaviour of other management teams this season in Newry have been deplorable and disrespectful towards our county board officials, it needs to be stamped out.

He didn't adopt this approach. He wasn't in the stand out of choice. He was serving out a ban he received from county board.
Then again that goes with the territory of being 'one of the top coaches in the county'.
Confidence. Not to be confused with arrogance. Oh No.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on September 08, 2015, 05:29:33 PM
PATH TO THE FINALS TICKET
Down GAA are delighted to be able to offer patrons the opportunity to purchase a Path To The Finals Ticket which will allow patrons access to all Quarter Finals, Semi Finals and Finals in Football and Hurling up to October 12th.

Tickets cost £50.00 and are available to purchase from Down GAA Offices in Castlewellan or from the Down GAA Ticket Van at venues over this weekend.

I was looking forward to saving a few pound by buying this ticket but not now at £50.  I think it was £30 at the same stage last year but they are really putting the arm into the ordinary supporter at this price.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 08, 2015, 06:09:56 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on September 08, 2015, 02:08:13 PM
...Also, I think those people that say they wish Burren v Kilcoo were the final are wrong.  This draw gives every other team a glimmer of hope and has raised the appetite of all the clubs...

I agree, that they play each other at all in a knock out competition is good enough and gives us the entertainment we would want. The beauty of a straight draw knock-out is exactly that other teams could gain a foothold in the championship. Whichever of these two teams reaches the final they will play another team who have not won it for a while and anything can happen. If a system is too heavily geared towards keeping the big teams apart all you get is a predicable semi-final lineup. Okay eventually a couple of exciting games but not an exciting championship.
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Post by: whitegoodman on September 08, 2015, 06:31:21 PM
I agree that the current system is a lot better than the group stage scenario.  However I am not sure if it is right for one team to beat another team and then the beaten team gets two further warm up matches before getting another chance to beat the winning team.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 08, 2015, 09:20:45 PM
Sounds like a worried burren supporter
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Post by: super reds 99 on September 08, 2015, 09:42:35 PM
Stopped of to watch rostrevor and clonduff game tonight in minor championship good game no defensive football all out attack good to see rostrevor deserved winners in the end
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Post by: supersub on September 08, 2015, 11:05:24 PM
Stopped off? Where were you heading? Good win for the Reds alright!

Going back to a few posts ago, there is a match on Sunday in the Championship? Won't play them all the same day!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 09, 2015, 07:26:38 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on September 08, 2015, 06:31:21 PM
I agree that the current system is a lot better than the group stage scenario.  However I am not sure if it is right for one team to beat another team and then the beaten team gets two further warm up matches before getting another chance to beat the winning team.....

I would agree with this. If you beat a team then it is not just for them to be allowed a second chance toto beat you ay any stage before a final. For Burren this its not a fair knock-out competition this year.  But from a Warrenpoint view, I'm glad we got to avoid Kilcoo, even though we have a very tough task taking on Castlewellan.
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Post by: wobbller on September 09, 2015, 09:43:00 AM
Quote from: super reds 99 on September 08, 2015, 09:42:35 PM
Stopped of to watch rostrevor and clonduff game tonight in minor championship good game no defensive football all out attack good to see rostrevor deserved winners in the end
Shamrocks didn't appear to be firing on all cylinders last night against us and we could
be in for a rematch from last year's county minor  final between them and Burren although
Rostrevor looked good in our league match.
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Post by: thewobbler on September 09, 2015, 02:27:08 PM
PaulD, re teams meeting again so soon, personally I don't think any attempts should be made to manually control a draw. It should be random.

Take this scenario: Kilcoo and Burren meet in round 1, and a pre-ordained rule means they could not meet again unless they both make the final. Being the best two teams in the county, they've drawn a win-win situation, and there's really no point in bating the shite out of each at this stage. So they put B teams out in round 1 and don't care which side they manoeuvre along from there; for on either side of the draw they should both make the final.

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Super Reds, I'm glad you enjoyed the game, but any minor team that is insistent on playing 15 v 15 attacking football is playing for second place this year, as Burren are streets ahead. If all a club wants is to make an MFC final, then fair play. But if the intention is to win the thing, then playing to a system isn't just something that can be turned on. Your management team might regret not practicing it earlier!

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Re the £50 ticket, I'd suggest that wrapping hurling and football into one package, and using it as an excuse to justify the large pricepoint, is a blunder from the county board. As competitions they've a lot less in common than the GAA traditionalists would like us believe, especially so among spectators.

At a push I'd maybe take in two SFC quarter finals, the two semis, and the final. That's not going to more than £55 individually (I hope).

So the ticket isn't being aimed at me. Who is it being aimed at?

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Re the conversation about playing JFC matches in Newry, I really don't understand why anyone would want to play those games in Esler. It's not Croke Park, not even close; it's not a field of dreams. If any man wants to play that badly in Newry, join a D3 team next years and face up to the Rocks. The stand is great, no doubt, but the rest of the facilities are no better /worse than a dozen grounds around the county. I've played reserve and ACFLII football in Esler and can tell you that is vacuous, eerie and soulless unless there's a crowd.


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Re the Poacher chat. I play 5-a-side with him most weeks, and will happily boot him to the ground at anyone's request - so long as that someone will put their name against their handle. Nobody loves an opinion more than Poacher, but at least it's his name going against it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on September 09, 2015, 03:42:54 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 09, 2015, 02:27:08 PM
PaulD, re teams meeting again so soon, personally I don't think any attempts should be made to manually control a draw. It should be random.

Take this scenario: Kilcoo and Burren meet in round 1, and a pre-ordained rule means they could not meet again unless they both make the final. Being the best two teams in the county, they've drawn a win-win situation, and there's really no point in bating the shite out of each at this stage. So they put B teams out in round 1 and don't care which side they manoeuvre along from there; for on either side of the draw they should both make the final.

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Super Reds, I'm glad you enjoyed the game, but any minor team that is insistent on playing 15 v 15 attacking football is playing for second place this year, as Burren are streets ahead. If all a club wants is to make an MFC final, then fair play. But if the intention is to win the thing, then playing to a system isn't just something that can be turned on. Your management team might regret not practicing it earlier!

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Re the £50 ticket, I'd suggest that wrapping hurling and football into one package, and using it as an excuse to justify the large pricepoint, is a blunder from the county board. As competitions they've a lot less in common than the GAA traditionalists would like us believe, especially so among spectators.

At a push I'd maybe take in two SFC quarter finals, the two semis, and the final. That's not going to more than £55 individually (I hope).

So the ticket isn't being aimed at me. Who is it being aimed at?

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Re the conversation about playing JFC matches in Newry, I really don't understand why anyone would want to play those games in Esler. It's not Croke Park, not even close; it's not a field of dreams. If any man wants to play that badly in Newry, join a D3 team next years and face up to the Rocks. The stand is great, no doubt, but the rest of the facilities are no better /worse than a dozen grounds around the county. I've played reserve and ACFLII football in Esler and can tell you that is vacuous, eerie and soulless unless there's a crowd.


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Re the Poacher chat. I play 5-a-side with him most weeks, and will happily boot him to the ground at anyone's request - so long as that someone will put their name against their handle. Nobody loves an opinion more than Poacher, but at least it's his name going against it.

Surely it is the desire of any team/player to play at their county ground with a bit of a crowd at championship level during the latter stages, as opposed to having a desperation to play there. My opinion is that the JFC is regarded as less important than the other championships by the county board, particularly this year with the group games not being at neutral venues.

I agree with your opinion on the £50 ticket, over priced and doesn't really appeal to a high demographic of supporters. Greed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on September 09, 2015, 03:47:25 PM
Wobbler I don't think anyone is really asking you to boot him to the ground. The chat was regarding his own ambitions as a county manager which he gave in an interview. I also don't believe that anyone can argue about his ability as a coach. It was simply being pointed out that, in peoples opinions, his antics along the line would certainly not be to the standard of that required of county management at any level and there is no point in him blaming the county board for his non selection of county management posts.
Generally I think you talk a lot of sense in your posts and for me this is not a keyboard warrior assault. Let me ask you this, knowing him as you obviously do, would you like to see him warts and all as our county manager?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 09, 2015, 03:48:15 PM
Nice and brief there wobbler.
Agreed on open draw - this, A cant play B and C cant play D crap make a mockery out of the draws in the AI qualifiers at times.  Once you bring in a back door there is going to be a chance of the two teams meeting again and thats just that.

The 4 minor teams (assuming Warrenpoint get through) who are through to the semis are def the 4 strongest teams.  Clonduff did have a shout to be amongst that but Rostrevor put paid to that.  The semi finals should be cracking games with Burren favourites based on results to date.
Are many of these minors playing for the senior teams at the moment? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 09, 2015, 04:37:03 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on September 09, 2015, 03:48:15 PM
Nice and brief there wobbler.
Agreed on open draw - this, A cant play B and C cant play D crap make a mockery out of the draws in the AI qualifiers at times.  Once you bring in a back door there is going to be a chance of the two teams meeting again and thats just that.

The 4 minor teams (assuming Warrenpoint get through) who are through to the semis are def the 4 strongest teams.  Clonduff did have a shout to be amongst that but Rostrevor put paid to that.  The semi finals should be cracking games with Burren favourites based on results to date.
Are many of these minors playing for the senior teams at the moment?
Are CPN not already through to the semi finals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 09, 2015, 05:27:49 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 09, 2015, 02:27:08 PM
PaulD, re teams meeting again so soon, personally I don't think any attempts should be made to manually control a draw. It should be random.

Take this scenario: Kilcoo and Burren meet in round 1, and a pre-ordained rule means they could not meet again unless they both make the final. Being the best two teams in the county, they've drawn a win-win situation, and there's really no point in bating the shite out of each at this stage. So they put B teams out in round 1 and don't care which side they manoeuvre along from there; for on either side of the draw they should both make the final.

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Super Reds, I'm glad you enjoyed the game, but any minor team that is insistent on playing 15 v 15 attacking football is playing for second place this year, as Burren are streets ahead. If all a club wants is to make an MFC final, then fair play. But if the intention is to win the thing, then playing to a system isn't just something that can be turned on. Your management team might regret not practicing it earlier!

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Re the £50 ticket, I'd suggest that wrapping hurling and football into one package, and using it as an excuse to justify the large pricepoint, is a blunder from the county board. As competitions they've a lot less in common than the GAA traditionalists would like us believe, especially so among spectators.

At a push I'd maybe take in two SFC quarter finals, the two semis, and the final. That's not going to more than £55 individually (I hope).

So the ticket isn't being aimed at me. Who is it being aimed at?

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Re the conversation about playing JFC matches in Newry, I really don't understand why anyone would want to play those games in Esler. It's not Croke Park, not even close; it's not a field of dreams. If any man wants to play that badly in Newry, join a D3 team next years and face up to the Rocks. The stand is great, no doubt, but the rest of the facilities are no better /worse than a dozen grounds around the county. I've played reserve and ACFLII football in Esler and can tell you that is vacuous, eerie and soulless unless there's a crowd.


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Re the Poacher chat. I play 5-a-side with him most weeks, and will happily boot him to the ground at anyone's request - so long as that someone will put their name against their handle. Nobody loves an opinion more than Poacher, but at least it's his name going against it.

If you tell me where and when I ll come kick him myself! Here s one, spoke to a player who played under him and he said great coach & all the players loved playing for him so I don't know why he acts like a cxxt along the sideline, on the down side also heard today he spat on a county board official on Saturday night after the game when ballyholland were asked to leave the field so the 2nd game could take place which is truly shocking behaviour. Any truth in that Wobbler?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 09, 2015, 06:01:52 PM
It didn't quite happen like that. It was much worse.

First he went into the media room and exchanged their sugar pot for one filled with salt and little bits of dandruff.

Then he went to the referee's room, and, using his own blood, inscribed on the wall in 12 foot high letters the Latin for "just blow against us again, just once, I dare you. Signed, the reaper".

He then broke into the county board's ticketing van and changed all the numbers on the dials, meaning that next week's tickets can only be sold at €1.00, with sterling not welcome.

Eagle eyed, he spotted Sean Og's famous hat in the van, and quickly remoulded it into a crown of thorns, with an accompanying pouch filled with pieces of silver. He was going to leave a note for the Runai, but let's be honest Sean Og would put 2 and 2 together quickly. Only one man is capable of these deeds.

But the lowest moment came when, just before the throw in for the next match, the machete he was using to lacerate every tyre in the official's car park suddenly slipped from his hand. A series of "accidents" when he continually plunged the sword in peoples' sides when trying to explain to newcomers what had happened, culminated in 11 young people losing either their eyesight, or the power of speech.

He doesn't even feel guilty about this either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 09, 2015, 06:21:43 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on September 09, 2015, 03:48:15 PM
Nice and brief there wobbler.
Agreed on open draw - this, A cant play B and C cant play D crap make a mockery out of the draws in the AI qualifiers at times.  Once you bring in a back door there is going to be a chance of the two teams meeting again and thats just that.

The 4 minor teams (assuming Warrenpoint get through) who are through to the semis are def the 4 strongest teams.  Clonduff did have a shout to be amongst that but Rostrevor put paid to that.  The semi finals should be cracking games with Burren favourites based on results to date.
Are many of these minors playing for the senior teams at the moment?

Mark Harte, Jody McGovern and Jack Mallon all been playing regularly with Shamrocks this year and last.

Conall Gordon is recently playing for Rostrevor.

I'd be surprised if Aron D'Arcy and Paddy Murdock aren't pushing onto CPN.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 09, 2015, 06:42:15 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 09, 2015, 04:37:03 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on September 09, 2015, 03:48:15 PM
Nice and brief there wobbler.
Agreed on open draw - this, A cant play B and C cant play D crap make a mockery out of the draws in the AI qualifiers at times.  Once you bring in a back door there is going to be a chance of the two teams meeting again and thats just that.

The 4 minor teams (assuming Warrenpoint get through) who are through to the semis are def the 4 strongest teams.  Clonduff did have a shout to be amongst that but Rostrevor put paid to that.  The semi finals should be cracking games with Burren favourites based on results to date.
Are many of these minors playing for the senior teams at the moment?
Are CPN not already through to the semi finals?
Saul didn't travel according to Abbey ones in School today and Warrenpoint players didn't find out
until late afternoon yesterday. Bad form to leave it so late.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 09, 2015, 10:27:51 PM
Did Ballyholland not beat Burren quite convincingly a few weeks ago in a minor friendly? Albeit a friendly I know.. Ballyholland won the south down league quite easily but suffered a shock championship defeat at the hands of st Patricks. Would an open championship draw not have created a few upsets among the all county teams? I'm sure Ballyholland,Glenn,Longstone and Bosco would be capable of springing a few surprises.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 09, 2015, 10:41:30 PM
I'd say the best 4 teams are left.

Burren's to lose ;-)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 09, 2015, 11:04:31 PM
Yes , four best teams left in MFC. We had chances last night v Shamrocks but they seemed to have more experienced players and Jody Mc is a lethal finisher. During the league the point probably looked the strongest outfit we played. But Burrens forwards are very good especially Declan Murdock and Liam Kerr. Rostrevors results in recent weeks suggest they are moving in the right direction and should be feared.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GreenGiant on September 10, 2015, 10:15:43 AM
Have to say i was over at the Glenn 3rds game last night. They nearly overturned a strong Mayobridge side, their player/manager Michael Murtagh really is one to keep an eye out for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ExtraTime on September 10, 2015, 10:44:28 AM
In relation to the Ballyholland Minors its dissapointing that they were in a 13 a side league as I feel they would have provided a challenge to the the better teams in the A league i.e Burren / Warrenpoint.

I seen a few of their league games and most were dead and buried before half time. They have so much firepower up front in Tiernan Rushe and to be honest he was at walking speed most of the time!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 10, 2015, 10:51:35 AM
Quote from: ExtraTime on September 10, 2015, 10:44:28 AM
In relation to the Ballyholland Minors its dissapointing that they were in a 13 a side league as I feel they would have provided a challenge to the the better teams in the A league i.e Burren / Warrenpoint.

I seen a few of their league games and most were dead and buried before half time. They have so much firepower up front in Tiernan Rushe and to be honest he was at walking speed most of the time!

Was there any specific reason why Ballyholland didnt go into the all county? Did they think they were not strong enough?  Are they struggling for numbers on their panel?

Quote from: GreenGiant on September 10, 2015, 10:15:43 AM
Have to say i was over at the Glenn 3rds game last night. They nearly overturned a strong Mayobridge side, their player/manager Michael Murtagh really is one to keep an eye out for.

This boy is good value, "have to say"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ExtraTime on September 10, 2015, 11:00:11 AM
Was there any specific reason why Ballyholland didnt go into the all county? Did they think they were not strong enough?  Are they struggling for numbers on their panel?


Struggling just the same as other teams in their league. Be lucky to get 15 for match days, sometimes just bang on 13.

Had the potential to be a force in the all county if you could get minimum 20 players to matches / training. The talent is there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 10, 2015, 11:04:55 AM
Week in week out Burren are cleaning up at all the U8, U10 and U12 tournaments across the county. Their B and even C teams are claiming silverware at South Down level. They are becoming a dominant force at underage and the culture is there at senior level to usher in a new period of dominance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 10, 2015, 11:10:40 AM
Sometimes you forget that Rushe is still a minor given the waves he has made at senior level this year. Some talent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 10, 2015, 11:51:09 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 10, 2015, 11:04:55 AM
Week in week out Burren are cleaning up at all the U8, U10 and U12 tournaments across the county. Their B and even C teams are claiming silverware at South Down level. They are becoming a dominant force at underage and the culture is there at senior level to usher in a new period of dominance.
Never mind their U16 and Minor teams who could repeat their
AllCounty Double from last year. Heard also that they are drawing on children
from the catchment area of 11 other Clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 10, 2015, 05:16:58 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 10, 2015, 11:04:55 AM
Week in week out Burren are cleaning up at all the U8, U10 and U12 tournaments across the county. Their B and even C teams are claiming silverware at South Down level. They are becoming a dominant force at underage and the culture is there at senior level to usher in a new period of dominance.

Not under 8 ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 10, 2015, 05:33:22 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on September 10, 2015, 05:16:58 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 10, 2015, 11:04:55 AM
Week in week out Burren are cleaning up at all the U8, U10 and U12 tournaments across the county. Their B and even C teams are claiming silverware at South Down level. They are becoming a dominant force at underage and the culture is there at senior level to usher in a new period of dominance.

Not under 8 ;)

Maybe the Bridge are winning the odd Under 8 title then :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on September 10, 2015, 07:19:59 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 10, 2015, 11:04:55 AM
Week in week out Burren are cleaning up at all the U8, U10 and U12 tournaments across the county. Their B and even C teams are claiming silverware at South Down level. They are becoming a dominant force at underage and the culture is there at senior level to usher in a new period of dominance.

This has to be the most pathetic quote I have read in years. Wise up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 10, 2015, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 10, 2015, 11:51:09 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 10, 2015, 11:04:55 AM
Week in week out Burren are cleaning up at all the U8, U10 and U12 tournaments across the county. Their B and even C teams are claiming silverware at South Down level. They are becoming a dominant force at underage and the culture is there at senior level to usher in a new period of dominance.
Never mind their U16 and Minor teams who could repeat their
AllCounty Double from last year. Heard also that they are drawing on children
from the catchment area of 11 other Clubs.

Only the 11, I heard 20!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 10, 2015, 09:48:21 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on September 10, 2015, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 10, 2015, 11:51:09 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 10, 2015, 11:04:55 AM
Week in week out Burren are cleaning up at all the U8, U10 and U12 tournaments across the county. Their B and even C teams are claiming silverware at South Down level. They are becoming a dominant force at underage and the culture is there at senior level to usher in a new period of dominance.
Never mind their U16 and Minor teams who could repeat their
AllCounty Double from last year. Heard also that they are drawing on children
from the catchment area of 11 other Clubs.

Only the 11, I heard 20!!!!
I heard it was 13 plus their own. Ridiculous
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 10, 2015, 10:03:20 PM
Quote from: wobbller on September 10, 2015, 09:48:21 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on September 10, 2015, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 10, 2015, 11:51:09 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 10, 2015, 11:04:55 AM
Week in week out Burren are cleaning up at all the U8, U10 and U12 tournaments across the county. Their B and even C teams are claiming silverware at South Down level. They are becoming a dominant force at underage and the culture is there at senior level to usher in a new period of dominance.
Never mind their U16 and Minor teams who could repeat their
AllCounty Double from last year. Heard also that they are drawing on children
from the catchment area of 11 other Clubs.

Only the 11, I heard 20!!!!
I heard it was 13 plus their own. Ridiculous

In tonight U16 Football Championship Quarter Final, Bredagh have beaten Burren 1.14 by 1.7 according to Down Website
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on September 10, 2015, 10:10:57 PM
Quote from: wobbller on September 10, 2015, 10:05:19 PM
Quote from: umpire on September 10, 2015, 10:03:20 PM
Quote from: wobbller on September 10, 2015, 09:48:21 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on September 10, 2015, 08:07:14 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 10, 2015, 11:51:09 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 10, 2015, 11:04:55 AM
Week in week out Burren are cleaning up at all the U8, U10 and U12 tournaments across the county. Their B and even C teams are claiming silverware at South Down level. They are becoming a dominant force at underage and the culture is there at senior level to usher in a new period of dominance.
Never mind their U16 and Minor teams who could repeat their
AllCounty Double from last year. Heard also that they are drawing on children
from the catchment area of 11 other Clubs.

Only the 11, I heard 20!!!!
I heard it was 13 plus their own. Ridiculous

In tonight U16 Football Championship Quarter Final, Bredagh have beaten Burren 1.14 by 1.7 according to Down Website
Big shock if true
Not really. Did Bredagh not do well in All Ireland Feile a couple of years ago
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 10, 2015, 10:57:31 PM
Bredagh's twitter account has confirmed the result, which should not be that much of a surprise as the club has been strong at under-age level for several years. Getting some recognition from county selectors is a different matter. Bredagh won the all county A u16 title in 2012. but had no representatives on the Down minor teams of 2014 and 2015.  Insisting that all training sessions take place in Newry will hardly encourage young players from the other end of the county to believe that they are valued. The poor record of Down minor and u21 sides over the last five years would suggest that a new approach is overdue, so Paddy O'Rourke's has much to consider in his role as coordinator of our development squads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 11, 2015, 08:36:09 AM
I had heard before that off that Breadagh u 16 team that won the championship only 4 of them were starters on their minor team. Maybe that's a big reason that none of them were county minors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 11, 2015, 06:03:18 PM
I think there's a cause and effect issue here; if the Bredagh lads saw their club-mates getting into county minor squads then they're more likely to keep at the football. It isn't automatic that there's a fall-off but it is harder for the clubs in areas where there's more choice of sports- primarily the urban areas- where fall-off between under 16 and minor occurs. Mind you the Bredagh team that takes the field tonight will have 7 or 8 members of the minor team that got to the county semi-final in 2008.
There isn't that much of a shock about the under 16 result as Bredagh beat Burren earlier this year in the league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 11, 2015, 08:49:18 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 11, 2015, 06:03:18 PM
I think there's a cause and effect issue here; if the Bredagh lads saw their club-mates getting into county minor squads then they're more likely to keep at the football. It isn't automatic that there's a fall-off but it is harder for the clubs in areas where there's more choice of sports- primarily the urban areas- where fall-off between under 16 and minor occurs. Mind you the Bredagh team that takes the field tonight will have 7 or 8 members of the minor team that got to the county semi-final in 2008.
There isn't that much of a shock about the under 16 result as Bredagh beat Burren earlier this year in the league

Not sure where you're going with this Down minor and Bredagh thing. Carryduff have had a series of Down minors for the past few years, and you can't honestly believe that it's easier for them to travel or more biased towards picking them.

While I truly wish there was a centre of excellence in Castlewellan or nearby, for now there isn't. Any you know what, Bredagh to Newry is actually a straightforward run. If I was to set a series of cars off from St Colmans College at 10pm: one heading to Cherryvale, one to Ballymartin, one to Downpatrick, one to St Michaels, one to Ardglass, I'd make Cherryvale slight favourite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on September 11, 2015, 10:52:29 PM
Was at a family function in Cavan a fortnight ago and decided to take in the Championship game between Cavan Gaels V Lacken. The Gaels won 1-12 to 9 points in a dull enough affair...not really a surprise but what was a surprise was to see the Burren management there in attendance...Anyone??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on September 11, 2015, 11:09:04 PM
prob checking out the opposition for the Ulster Club  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 11, 2015, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: Oglach on September 11, 2015, 10:52:29 PM
Was at a family function in Cavan a fortnight ago and decided to take in the Championship game between Cavan Gaels V Lacken. The Gaels won 1-12 to 9 points in a dull enough affair...not really a surprise but what was a surprise was to see the Burren management there in attendance...Anyone??

Ulster Club Senior Football  Championship First Round
1st Nov at 3.30pm in Breffni Park, Cavan.
Winner of Cavan play the winner of Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 12, 2015, 12:07:57 AM
Must be taking notes for Kilcoo..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 12, 2015, 12:12:55 AM
Wobbler, Bredagh underage players have regularly been asked to get to Carryduff at 9am for a lift to an 11am county Saturday session in Newry. After training and a team meeting, they are looking at getting home about eight hours after they left. They are competing for a place in the squad with player from colleges in Newry who are frequently not required to attend the same sessions. Carryduff is a fine club which has produced many Down minors over recent seasons but there are a number of other east Down clubs which feel that they are not treated fairly. Bredagh is only one of them but it is 20 years since the club with the biggest underage membership in our county by a huge margin has provided a starter for Down minors in the championship. Bredagh comfortably beat Burren in the u16 championship the other night, and regularly compete with our best underage sides at all levels. Are you seriously suggesting that rotating minor training venues across the county is against the best interests of Down football ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 12, 2015, 01:45:05 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 12, 2015, 12:12:55 AM
Wobbler, Bredagh underage players have regularly been asked to get to Carryduff at 9am for a lift to an 11am county Saturday session in Newry. After training and a team meeting, they are looking at getting home about eight hours after they left. They are competing for a place in the squaddie with player from colleges in Newry who are frequently not required to attend the same sessions. Carryduff is a fine club which has produced many Down minors over recent seasons but there are a number of other east Down clubs which feel that they are not treated fairly. Bredagh is only one of them but it is 20 years since the club with the biggest underage membership in our county by a huge margin has provided a starter for Down minors in the championship. Bredagh comfortably beat Burren in the u16 championship the other night, and regularly compete with our best underage sides at all levels. Are you seriously suggesting that rotating minor training venues across the county is against the best interests of Down football ?
MR, Be sure and say thewobbler as opposed to me -wobbller!😩 From what I can gather from the children in School,the U16 game against Burren  was NOT a comfortable win.Were you at it? A 2-3 point game at best. Lose the chip on the shoulder. Bredagh may feel aggrieved at their lack of underage representation at Minor level but surely the cream always comes to the top? No?
Dubh Driocht, so what that if 8 of that Minor team in 2008 (phew!!) got to a County Minor Semi- were playing tonight in what was a fine win.Are/Were any of them worthy of  a county place at Minor,U-21 or God forbid Senior? I doubt not.You could lose the chip also-East Down:South Down zzzzzzzzzzz!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 12, 2015, 09:01:19 AM
Wobbler, To answer your question- yes- I would say at least three were worthy of a place on Mark Turley's minor team in 2008, and had been part of development squads up to minor level. I knew some of the players who made the squad and they were not the cream of the crop- their surnames seemed more important than their ability and I'm not playing the East/South Down card. As regards the current vintage, Donal Hughes should be given a chance in the senior squad unless he continues for the hurlers- he must have got 6 or 7 points last night. Mind you , I agree with your cousin thewobbler about the distance from Newry issue although it's easier to travel at 10pm than trying to get out of Belfast at rush hour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 12, 2015, 09:08:29 AM
Difficult to do both.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 12, 2015, 10:34:43 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 12, 2015, 12:12:55 AM
Wobbler, Bredagh underage players have regularly been asked to get to Carryduff at 9am for a lift to an 11am county Saturday session in Newry. After training and a team meeting, they are looking at getting home about eight hours after they left. They are competing for a place in the squad with player from colleges in Newry who are frequently not required to attend the same sessions. Carryduff is a fine club which has produced many Down minors over recent seasons but there are a number of other east Down clubs which feel that they are not treated fairly. Bredagh is only one of them but it is 20 years since the club with the biggest underage membership in our county by a huge margin has provided a starter for Down minors in the championship. Bredagh comfortably beat Burren in the u16 championship the other night, and regularly compete with our best underage sides at all levels. Are you seriously suggesting that rotating minor training venues across the county is against the best interests of Down football ?


Not disagreeing with you, but here's a few things to consider:

- for development squads, if you're from genuine East Down (Downpatrick and hinterland) then you'll be asked to make your way to Loughinisland for a bus. This is approximately 100 times more inconvenient than the 2 mile traipse from Cherryvale to the Ivanhoe! Meanwhile if you're from the Mournes, maybe 40 mins from Newry (like Glassdrumman), well, get your own way in. I'm not suggesting this is fair, but the clubs have a chicken and egg scenario here. If it's going to cost £500 a session for buses for a development squad, then the clubs had better be on board and force their players to attend.

- for the past two years there has been a direct taxi from Belfast to minor training for Carryduff players. They were among the first home every night.

- if you can find any clubs in the county who are willing to provide guaranteed floodlit facilities several times throughout February, March and April, then please pass their details to the County Board. I mentione recently that there's a thousand things they're getting wrong at present, but training at Abbey or Colmans isn't a choice, it's a necessity. They're the only places in the county where the facilities are guaranteed, which allows minor management to plan accurately.

- bredags's performances in minor leagues and championships the past few seasons would suggest that the club has a genuine problem in keeping lads interested and motivated past 16. Personally I reckon this is a problem that needs addressed internally at that club, instead of looking externally for causes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 12, 2015, 10:46:50 AM
you lads seem to place great importance on the McCrory cup and the players who play in it when it comes to ability to play for Down minor footballers, but do the Bredagh and Carryduff lads have this same opportunity?

I know a lot of those city kids go to Our Ladies and St Pats, Knock, but do they put out a school football team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 12, 2015, 02:37:38 PM
We can all make points about our own clubs but the bottom line is surely that we have not won an Ulster minor title for 16 years and the performances of recent seasons would suggest that the gap with the leading contenders is widening. The structures and policies in place are not delivering so some kind of review is long overdue. Establishing why decent players are not making it as far as some fairly limited squads would be a start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 12, 2015, 10:01:39 PM
I heard a rumour tonight that the county board are going to name Paddy orourke as the manager of Down. Surely not. This cannot be true. Has anyone else heard anything?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on September 12, 2015, 10:05:18 PM
Good viewing in Newry for the neutral observer. Kilcoo don't know when they're bate. Burren are a bad lot. A team of individuals. Ryan Johnston was sublime tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 12, 2015, 10:13:15 PM
Fair play to kilcoo, they  never know when they're beat. Thought burren had it won when they went 6 up at start of 2nd half, they didn't score again for the rest of the match. They couldn't match kilcoo's hunger or workrate and kilcoo finished much the stronger. Taking McKernan off was a big call, was he injured?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on September 12, 2015, 10:25:20 PM
Burren are scared of Kilcoo. So easily intimidated, and absolutely leaderless on the field. Mckernan hardly touched leather, not sure that he was injured though?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 12, 2015, 10:32:32 PM
Aidan Burns put on a Tour de Force for the Town in the first semi final. He took some mighty scores. Warrenpoint had a bad day at the office.
Burren bottled it against Kilcoo. Threw away a six point lead. Magpies never panicked and eased themselves back into it without setting the world alight.
Big scope for improvement from them as they go further.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 12, 2015, 10:34:06 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 12, 2015, 10:13:15 PM
Fair play to kilcoo, they  never know when they're beat. Thought burren had it won when they went 6 up at start of 2nd half, they didn't score again for the rest of the match. They couldn't match kilcoo's hunger or workrate and kilcoo finished much the stronger. Taking McKernan off was a big call, was he injured?

No.he was just shite.again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on September 12, 2015, 10:48:48 PM
Not sure if burren bottled it just kilcoo never lay down. Laughed when laverty thought he was black carded and started to walk off the pitch only for ref to call him bAck and gave him a yellow only. I think he then won the penalty lol. There were 3 penLties tonight in newry and they were all brilliantly dispatched. Niall McGovern for cpn ohare for burren and darragh for kilcoo. 2 x johnstons were excellent tonight. Castlewellan deserved to beat us tonight. A strange team/set up for con tonight I thought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 12, 2015, 11:16:46 PM
Strange game; Burren looked unstoppable in the first 20 mins, but Kilcoo hung in, and gradually became dominant. Burren looked a beaten team in the last ten minutes, even though they were only a point behind, seeme to give up; Kilcoo have the Indian sign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on September 13, 2015, 09:27:41 AM
Quote from: befair on September 12, 2015, 11:16:46 PM
Strange game; Burren looked unstoppable in the first 20 mins, but Kilcoo hung in, and gradually became dominant. Burren looked a beaten team in the last ten minutes, even though they were only a point behind, seeme to give up; Kilcoo have the Indian sign.

Think Kilcoo did a great job of halting Burren's momentum, between the 20th and 30th minutes there was probably about two minutes of football played due to the number of fouls and bookings. Then Kilcoo got a goal and a point right before half time which was great for them. I think Burren were too afraid of losing the game in the second half rather than going on to win it and it ultimately cost them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 13, 2015, 11:15:55 AM
Burren halted their own momentum. Old habit of lying down every chance they got slowed the game down when they were playing well. The tactic might have worked on single occasions, allowing their defence to gat organised, but it worked against them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 13, 2015, 12:26:19 PM
Quote from: befair on September 13, 2015, 11:15:55 AM
Burren halted their own momentum. Old habit of lying down every chance they got slowed the game down when they were playing well. The tactic might have worked on single occasions, allowing their defence to gat organised, but it worked against them

That's true. They were very cynical in the first half. Was there as a neutral but delighted Kilcoo won it in the end. Burren supporters are an arrogant shower.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 13, 2015, 12:41:17 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 13, 2015, 12:26:19 PM
Quote from: befair on September 13, 2015, 11:15:55 AM
Burren halted their own momentum. Old habit of lying down every chance they got slowed the game down when they were playing well. The tactic might have worked on single occasions, allowing their defence to gat organised, but it worked against them

That's true. They were very cynical in the first half. Was there as a neutral but delighted Kilcoo won it in the end. Burren supporters are an arrogant shower.
I agree very arrogant but Kilcoo just don't give up, a great unit. The Town deserved to win the first game but thought CPN management helped them by the way they lined their team out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 13, 2015, 12:42:45 PM
Disappointing first game but it's good progress to get to quarters next year will be better
Burren fell to pieces again when the big questions were asked.This group of players have underachieved something Serious.5 Down under 21s in a row and 1 ulster along with a serious amount of underage success in recent years.Is Mck to good to substitute?Fair play to Sean Ward for doing what other managers haven't got the balls to do and take him off.A passenger in both big games against Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on September 13, 2015, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 13, 2015, 12:26:19 PM
Burren supporters are an arrogant shower.

And yet still not a patch on the 'UTM' bunch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 13, 2015, 02:54:38 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 13, 2015, 12:42:45 PM
Disappointing first game but it's good progress to get to quarters next year will be better
Burren fell to pieces again when the big questions were asked.This group of players have underachieved something Serious.5 Down under 21s in a row and 1 ulster along with a serious amount of underage success in recent years.Is Mck to good to substitute?Fair play to Sean Ward for doing what other managers haven't got the balls to do and take him off.A passenger in both big games against Kilcoo.

Really?  Success in A competition run off at the end of a long season in horrible conditions where a handful of teams bother their holes about is how you gauge success? ?
Is matters as much as what mckenna cup would to a county side come championship in may.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 13, 2015, 05:20:13 PM
Another thing I took away from last nights game is that that pa system in newry is terrible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 13, 2015, 06:45:44 PM
Classy tweets from our ex-Minor manager today. The wheels of his bus have really come off now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 13, 2015, 07:43:16 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 13, 2015, 06:45:44 PM
Classy tweets from our ex-Minor manager today. The wheels of his bus have really come off now.

what I'm picking up here is that it would appear you believe that public figures in Down football are not entitled to have opinions, but as long as it's done anonymously, it's quite okay to make highly derisory comments about those same people.

Interesting double standards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on September 13, 2015, 07:48:25 PM
Who won the ballygalget portaferry game? I was following updates from your county twitter feed and they just stopped with about 5 minutes to go!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 13, 2015, 07:54:11 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 13, 2015, 07:48:25 PM
Who won the ballygalget portaferry game? I was following updates from your county twitter feed and they just stopped with about 5 minutes to go!
ballygalget won 2-13 to 0-18.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on September 13, 2015, 07:56:48 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 13, 2015, 08:09:57 PM
What constitutes a public figure in down football? Where do you draw the line or how do you qualify that. Just curious.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 13, 2015, 08:26:56 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 13, 2015, 08:09:57 PM
What constitutes a public figure in down football? Where do you draw the line or how do you qualify that. Just curious.

What constitutes a public figure in any walk of life Brick?

In any given field, if the majority of people know who someone is, and journalists would seek their opinions on matters within that field, then that would be a public figure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 13, 2015, 08:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 13, 2015, 08:20:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 13, 2015, 07:43:16 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 13, 2015, 06:45:44 PM
Classy tweets from our ex-Minor manager today. The wheels of his bus have really come off now.

what I'm picking up here is that it would appear you believe that public figures in Down football are not entitled to have opinions, but as long as it's done anonymously, it's quite okay to make highly derisory comments about those same people.

Interesting double standards.
A public figure in Down Football- it's Ex for that.When he was a public figure in Down football his rantings about soccer was ludicrous.His(your Club) couldn't field in the minor championship last year because of soccer but yet he makes classy comments about 4 south down teams being left in championship is a veiled 'up yours' to our east down Clubs that may be in the same position as your Club last year. Good luck tomorrow night.


And there you have it.

I'm a firm believer, in Internet forums, that you should attack the post, not the poster.

You could have addressed the subject of the Tweet and condemned it is inaccurate or unfair. But it seem you'd prefer to make it personal. And just to put a cherry on it, also have a go at an entire club that had nothing to with the comment.

Again, there's a delicious irony in that you don't want him having an opinion, but you feel it's okay to deliver a highly personal rant.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 13, 2015, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 13, 2015, 08:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 13, 2015, 08:20:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 13, 2015, 07:43:16 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 13, 2015, 06:45:44 PM
Classy tweets from our ex-Minor manager today. The wheels of his bus have really come off now.

what I'm picking up here is that it would appear you believe that public figures in Down football are not entitled to have opinions, but as long as it's done anonymously, it's quite okay to make highly derisory comments about those same people.

Interesting double standards.
A public figure in Down Football- it's Ex for that.When he was a public figure in Down football his rantings about soccer was ludicrous.His(your Club) couldn't field in the minor championship last year because of soccer but yet he makes classy comments about 4 south down teams being left in championship is a veiled 'up yours' to our east down Clubs that may be in the same position as your Club last year. Good luck tomorrow night.


And there you have it.

I'm a firm believer, in Internet forums, that you should attack the post, not the poster.

You could have addressed the subject of the Tweet and condemned it is inaccurate or unfair. But it seem you'd prefer to make it personal. And just to put a cherry on it, also have a go at an entire club that had nothing to with the comment.

Again, there's a delicious irony in that you don't want him having an opinion, but you feel it's okay to deliver a highly personal rant.
The subject of my post was indeed an attack on the poster's choice of subject. Don't defend the culprit who wrote such a half baked tweet.Similar defences of your Senior team Manager all year do nothing for your previous credibility on here!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 13, 2015, 09:27:42 PM
Well, if asking posters to refrain from anonymous personal attacks on people, is going to ruin my "credibility", it looks like I'm heading to the gutter.

Attack the post. Not the poster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 13, 2015, 09:40:40 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 13, 2015, 09:27:42 PM
Well, if asking posters to refrain from anonymous personal attacks on people, is going to ruin my "credibility", it looks like I'm heading to the gutter.

Attack the post. Not the poster.
POST is put up on TWITTER by a poster.If the post is unsavoury and classless the POSTER
gets the heat on FORUMS such as these by POSTERS such as ME.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 13, 2015, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 12, 2015, 10:32:32 PM
Aidan Burns put on a Tour de Force for the Town in the first semi final. He took some mighty scores. Warrenpoint had a bad day at the office.
Despite what Warrenpoint did or didn't do - I thought we were fantastic at times during the game.  Aidan gave a masterclass of finishing from play and frees but I thought our overall work rate was brilliant from start to finish.  Now for the semis - two east down teams and two south down remain.  Lets hope the draw is favourable...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 14, 2015, 01:31:16 AM
Quote from: pauly2 on September 13, 2015, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 12, 2015, 10:32:32 PM
Aidan Burns put on a Tour de Force for the Town in the first semi final. He took some mighty scores. Warrenpoint had a bad day at the office.
Despite what Warrenpoint did or didn't do - I thought we were fantastic at times during the game.  Aidan gave a masterclass of finishing from play and frees but I thought our overall work rate was brilliant from start to finish.  Now for the semis - two east down teams and two south down remain.  Lets hope the draw is favourable...

Who was your number 11. Thought he had a very good game. ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Red eye on September 14, 2015, 08:27:40 AM
Disappointed in CPN performance- expected more but then as someone says their line out looked rather strange.
Kilcoo squeezed past Burren and looks like it's theirs to lose. Mayobridge as expected eased through and would take Ballyholland to make up the semi finalists.
Be good if Kilcoo and Mayobridge are kept apart as see that as the better final from the 4 teams left.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on September 14, 2015, 08:38:40 AM
Quote from: Red eye on September 14, 2015, 08:27:40 AM
Disappointed in CPN performance- expected more but then as someone says their line out looked rather strange.
Kilcoo squeezed past Burren and looks like it's theirs to lose. Mayobridge as expected eased through and would take Ballyholland to make up the semi finalists.
Be good if Kilcoo and Mayobridge are kept apart as see that as the better final from the 4 teams left.
Who won tonight's Q/F if there are only 4 teams left? :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on September 14, 2015, 09:54:32 AM

Who was your number 11. Thought he had a very good game. ?

donal mckibben. great win for us on Saturday evening. Aiden Burns showed what he is capable of doing. its been too long since we were in a semi and let alone a final. don't think we will win it but with a big push for next few weeks and a bit of luck along the way anything is possible
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 14, 2015, 10:42:44 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on September 07, 2015, 09:51:02 AM
Quote from: Red eye on September 06, 2015, 10:38:50 PM
Double header at Newry on Saturday - should be good evening's entertainment - CPN v Castlewellan and Burren v Kilcoo - hard to call but would take the Point and Kilcoo to come through. Ballyholland and Mayobridge to come through in other two. If so hope Mayobridge and Kilcoo kept apart in semis :)

Why would you take Kilcoo to beat Burren, when Burren have pretty much swept everyone aside this year so far? I know league and championship are very different but Burren look pretty impressive so far.

Fair play to you, you were bang on about Kilcoo v Burren. This is the first year in ages I have had the chance to watch a decent amount of league football and I thought Burren were well ahead of the rest. It's just a pity you were not also correct about the CPN v Castelwellan match
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 15, 2015, 10:12:39 AM
Quote from: wobbller on May 23, 2015, 02:47:48 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 23, 2015, 12:04:54 PM
Tom Burren have a decent midfield and plenty of good forwards which will only be helped by the two McArdles returning but if they can be neutralised which Kilcoo have done in the past then their defence can be got at.

The bridge appear to be struggling a bit and there only so much the old hands can do.  The gravey train looks like it has slowed up there too.
The glory days are long gone here. Current Management are great Club men but
that doesn't mean they'll be good Managers. Time to maybe think about getting a suitable
outsider.
Very slowly eating my own words but it's great all the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on September 15, 2015, 01:56:18 PM
Two decent games last night. In the first match Martin Clarke probably the difference between the two teams, man does he have a sweet left foot. Kingdom took their goal chances and St Johns didn't. It was a competitive hard hitting championship match.
The senior match was more tactical and if Rostrevor were able to convert their chances maybe they would be in the semi. That being said when Ballyholland got in front they were very hard to get past and left the Rostrevor lads snatching at chances. Should be interesting semi finals in both championships.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ExtraTime on September 15, 2015, 02:06:03 PM
Quote from: downup on September 15, 2015, 01:56:18 PM
Two decent games last night. In the first match Martin Clarke probably the difference between the two teams, man does he have a sweet left foot. Kingdom took their goal chances and St Johns didn't. It was a competitive hard hitting championship match.
The senior match was more tactical and if Rostrevor were able to convert their chances maybe they would be in the semi. That being said when Ballyholland got in front they were very hard to get past and left the Rostrevor lads snatching at chances. Should be interesting semi finals in both championships.

Would have to agree. The build up play to Rostrevors goal was brilliant and if they were able to produce moments like that more it could have been a different game but they never really troubled Ballyholland in the second half in my opinion. Few nervy moments in the last 7 minutes or so from Ballyholland but I would still say they were deserving of the win.

Interesting semi draw as-well. I think Mayobridge can give Kilcoo a good game and wouldn't be surprised if they edge it. No one seems to fancy Ballyholland against Castlewellan and I dont see why not. Great League Campaign along with the championship wins and I have to say I really fancy them here!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 15, 2015, 03:33:50 PM
One of the worst games I've ever been at; uncontested kick-outs, teams defending on the 45, poor skills, lousy shooting. Ballyholland won by the masterly tactic of, you know, actually competing for kick-outs and scrabbling a few points from them. Rostrevor only contested kick-outs after getting a red card in the last three minutes and had chances to win it even then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 15, 2015, 05:17:32 PM
Was a poor game indeed. However if you are talking about uncontested kick outs, watch a lot of inter county games and it's the same thing. Part of the game now unfortunately for the viewer. A poor showing from the Reds in the second half, and really should have been further ahead at the break given possession in the first half. Alas they weren't and cost them dearly. Despite playing none second half as has been mentioned, there were chances to snatch at least a replay. However such is football and realistically all things were put harshly into perspective early this morning when more local young lives were taken on our roads in the village. May they rest in peace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on September 15, 2015, 07:08:49 PM
Paddy O Rourke, Paddy Crozier and Johnny mc Cumiskey sitting beside each other in Pairc Esler last night. Concidence??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 15, 2015, 09:34:48 PM
Super sub a question for you
What's rostrevors thoughts on Caolan Mooneys comeback.?I was a big fan of his but this year has seen me change views.Last kick off game last night he missed kicked the ball and then walked straight into the changing rooms while the rest of Rostrevor team gathered for a chat in the middle of pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 16, 2015, 02:15:48 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 15, 2015, 09:34:48 PM
Super sub a question for you
What's rostrevors thoughts on Caolan Mooneys comeback.?I was a big fan of his but this year has seen me change views.Last kick off game last night he missed kicked the ball and then walked straight into the changing rooms while the rest of Rostrevor team gathered for a chat in the middle of pitch.

He hasn't played enough for us for anyone to form a proper opinion on his 'comeback' at club level, in my opinion. He only played a handful of games. 5 maybe. In some of those games we came to rely on him (before he went to the US) and he was impressive. But again cannot really judge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 16, 2015, 05:33:19 PM
While the focus is quite rightly on the Down championships, the fact remains we are managerless. It's probably easier to give a view on who shouldn't be considered imo;
Frank Dawson, Paddy O'Rourke, Paddy Crozier, Conor Deegan (Unless he's in with a good young coach), Pete McGrath (same but has committed to Fermanagh), Banty McEaneany, Sean Ward, Aidan O'Rourke.

I presume that bridges are burnt with McCorry and there's no way back?

Possibilities; McEntee/O'Neill, wee James ( unlikely ).

Not a lot of possibilities then, particularly as McEntee was considered last year and nothing happened.
Any other suggestions ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redzone on September 16, 2015, 06:16:29 PM
Would Stephen poacher not be up there with the best up and coming coaches in Ulster. Would he be worth a punt
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on September 16, 2015, 06:19:28 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 16, 2015, 06:16:29 PM
Would Stephen poacher not be up there with the best up and coming coaches in Ulster. Would he be worth a punt
He is the stand out candidate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 16, 2015, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 16, 2015, 05:33:19 PM
I presume that bridges are burnt with McCorry and there's no way back?

Which goes to show the long term thought processes of the board.

#kneejerk
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 16, 2015, 06:40:37 PM
Quote from: upthehoops on September 16, 2015, 06:19:28 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 16, 2015, 06:16:29 PM
Would Stephen poacher not be up there with the best up and coming coaches in Ulster. Would he be worth a punt
He is the stand out candidate

I would near bet that this wouldn't go down well with the majority of the Down Gaels owing to the way he carries himself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 16, 2015, 06:41:56 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on September 16, 2015, 06:40:37 PM
Quote from: upthehoops on September 16, 2015, 06:19:28 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 16, 2015, 06:16:29 PM
Would Stephen poacher not be up there with the best up and coming coaches in Ulster. Would he be worth a punt
He is the stand out candidate

I would near bet that this wouldn't go down well with the majority of the Down Gaels owing to the way he carries himself.

How is it the case that he would be the stand out candidate anyway????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffleKing on September 16, 2015, 07:14:46 PM
Quote from: upthehoops on September 16, 2015, 06:19:28 PM
Quote from: redzone on September 16, 2015, 06:16:29 PM
Would Stephen poacher not be up there with the best up and coming coaches in Ulster. Would he be worth a punt
He is the stand out candidate

Based on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on September 16, 2015, 08:43:33 PM
Was he the manger who won all irelands at secondary school level won a title when he was at the kingdom coached burren when they reached a county final and made steady progress with Ballyholland over the last couple of years and could win silverware this year yet  !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 16, 2015, 08:50:25 PM
Based on his own opinion of himself. Sure who elses opinion would you need.
Stephen is just being honest when Stephen thinks that Stephen is the man for the job and id be inclined to agree with Stephen.
Actually id go as far to say that Stephen should probably consult with Stephen on a suitable selection process and we could get the ball rolling for interviews. Of course, no better man than Stephen to sit on the interview panel and run the rule over the suitable candidate.
Its only logical.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 16, 2015, 09:05:08 PM
Quote from: super reds 99 on September 16, 2015, 08:43:33 PM
Was he the manger who won all irelands at secondary school level won a title when he was at the kingdom coached burren when they reached a county final and made steady progress with Ballyholland over the last couple of years and could win silverware this year yet  !

He wasn't with Burren when they reached the final.
Ballyholland are having a decent season this year but won't win silverware and were nearly relegated last year.
Not sure on his schools record but sure Cathal Murray has won 2 all Ireland's, does they make him a candidate.
He got kingdom promotion but did they not get relegated the following year or was that under wee Pere?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on September 16, 2015, 09:09:44 PM
I think we're getting a wee bit too far ahead of ourselves on Poacher. Young coach who has never won anything and only seems to be able to play with a defensive structure. He coached Mayobridge for a yr and helped take them to a county final who were resoundly beaten on the day- that's the closest he's ever came to success.

Speaking of Mayobridge v Kilcoo I suspect this one will be tight. 'Bridge definitely have the talent but whether or not they have the strength in depth remains to be seen. I think last year the general feeling was they left it behind them but it's been 7 yrs since they won a championship and excuses are starting to wear thin.

Interestingly, since 1998 either the 'Bridge or the team that has beat them have won the championship- standard bearers for 17 years.

Anyway, neck on the line - Ballyholland Bridge final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redzone on September 16, 2015, 09:20:54 PM
One thing is for sure poacher would know the club scene and players inside out. He'd have Clarke and mooney and Johnston twins chomping at the bit with benny on the edge of the square. Man bleeds down football. Same couldn't be said about McCorry or mcentee
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 16, 2015, 09:43:27 PM
Who are these Johnston twins you speak of.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redzone on September 16, 2015, 09:45:27 PM
Brothers. Typo brick. Who is ure preferred candidate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 16, 2015, 09:52:14 PM
Stephen Poacher. (With Mick O'Dwyer carrying the water and Joe Kernan doing stats.)
Sure he bleeds Down football and knows the club scene inside out and he would have fellas chompin at the bit and Benny on the edge of the square and is one of the best up and coming young coaches in Ulster and has won an All-Ireland Colleges and basically created the Burren team of today and is pretty much revamping the townland of Ballyholland as we speak.






If only his face fit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redzone on September 16, 2015, 10:07:07 PM
Pretty much sums up down football supporters there.daydreaming about big names. Wake up u brickie and smell the coffee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on September 16, 2015, 10:13:57 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on September 16, 2015, 09:05:08 PM
Quote from: super reds 99 on September 16, 2015, 08:43:33 PM
Was he the manger who won all irelands at secondary school level won a title when he was at the kingdom coached burren when they reached a county final and made steady progress with Ballyholland over the last couple of years and could win silverware this year yet  !

He wasn't with Burren when they reached the final.
Ballyholland are having a decent season this year but won't win silverware and were nearly relegated last year.
Not sure on his schools record but sure Cathal Murray has won 2 all Ireland's, does they make him a candidate.
He got kingdom promotion but did they not get relegated the following year or was that under wee Pere?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 16, 2015, 11:29:15 PM
 These past dozen or so posts are deserving of a Rant but I'll maybe leave that for work time tomorrow!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on September 17, 2015, 02:13:49 AM
This thread has got considerably worse than the hogan stand.ive nothing against poacher who by all accounts seems to be a potentially good young manager.possibly lets his emotions get the better of himself,but who doesn't?
   However,to suggest him as the next county manager is ridiculous.his credentials stacked next to mccrorys are not in nearly the same league,and we sacked that man!if taking ballyholland to a semi final in a lopsided draw,or keeping a decent team in an expanded division one are the criteria for our senior manager then we are not in a good place.let poacher get a few more years experience and then see if he's fit for it.
   As for who will become the next manager,personally it has to go outside the county for me.banty,if he could put a good back room team in place could do a good job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 17, 2015, 07:35:05 AM
I'd like to think that before the county board top table turned against McCorry they had some idea of a succession plan. It's roughly the same men who whittled together a shortlist in 2013, so surely they if anyone have an idea of options and interest levels. Maybe I'm being too hopeful?

There genuinely wouldn't appear to be many options out there - with Dawson's recent form stacking up again him, certainly nobody within the county who has any history of landing silverware - and I reckon Deegan could end up with a clear run at it.

He has a higher profile, but Poacher is in the same category as the CPN and Glenn managers - he's proven he can take a team forward, and seems to get a tune out of players... but is it enough to convince a selection panel, let alone our spectators? I doubt it.

The Banty suggestion above sort of sums up the scenario. He seems like a very likeable sod, but his record at inter county management is someone who falls short. He's not even a nearly man - there hasn't been a close run thing to cry about - he always falls shorter than that. When added with his lack of Down connections, the fact that anyone would suggest him as the best candidate shows the depth of the problem we are facing.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 17, 2015, 09:20:10 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 16, 2015, 05:33:19 PM
While the focus is quite rightly on the Down championships, the fact remains we are managerless. It's probably easier to give a view on who shouldn't be considered imo;
Frank Dawson, Paddy O'Rourke, Paddy Crozier, Conor Deegan (Unless he's in with a good young coach), Pete McGrath (same but has committed to Fermanagh), Banty McEaneany, Sean Ward, Aidan O'Rourke.

I presume that bridges are burnt with McCorry and there's no way back?

Possibilities; McEntee/O'Neill, wee James ( unlikely ).

Not a lot of possibilities then, particularly as McEntee was considered last year and nothing happened.
Any other suggestions ?
Agree-none of the above and not Poacher for a few years to see if he's as good as he thinks he is.
thewobbler analysis of the 2013 selection committee is valid as to the candidates then but it was actually 2014.
BrickTamlin should really be brought into the selection committee purely on his wit and observations alone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 17, 2015, 11:57:33 AM
I do not see us being successful in the next couple of years. I'd love to think we could but I don't see it.

So given that I don't expect to win Ulster or Sam, what I would like is to see entertaining football. I would not want another manager that sets up a purely defensive frightened team that is terrible to watch and produces little success or excitement. Better we have a manager that wants attacking football and ok, there is a risk of losing to sweeper systems. But if we are not scoring them we are going to lose anyway so why not go down attacking.

Our best players are forwards. Donegal started with their best players being defenders and gradually developed an attacking aspect to their system. Why not try out an attacking game and develop a defensive aspect to it. Once our attackers are confident and regularly scoring then we have more chance of an enthusiastic team fighting to also stop the opposition scoring. It could also puts the opposition defenses on the back foot, instead of us sitting back and inviting them on. For the last 2 years we have been toothless in attack.

I understadn and don't even object to "win at all costs" but as i just do not see us winning, I just want to be entertined
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 17, 2015, 12:04:07 PM
Expending all energies on a new manager is re-arranging the deck-chairs on the titanic anyway.

We're going the way of Antrim. Not much quality and no depth across the county club scene.

The approach of development squad clearly hasn't worked, a re-think is needed.

Possibly something along the lines of using that budget to coach the coaches. i.e. "expert coaches" coaching club coaches and teachers - so the standards improve in every club and school across the county - not just a select few who may or may not improve with age.

Or providing frequent under-age 7s tournaments both in the school and club which naturally focuses on skill over strength. [So the 6' 14 year old isn't a dominant presence 'cos of his size.]

Or something else.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 17, 2015, 11:59:44 PM
The county board's sub-committee has looked at former Down managers who do not want the job, outside figures we probably cannot afford, experienced club coaches who lack any recent achievements and younger candidates who have enthusiasm but no relevant track record. It is a process which may take some time.

We at least have a place in division one next year, but the provisional fixture list shows that we only have three home games and they are against the last three All Ireland champions. Our four away matches are against Cork and Mayo, who are ranked way ahead of us, Monaghan, who are Ulster champions and Roscommon, who comfortably beat us twice last season.

This is why following Down is seldom dull.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 18, 2015, 09:26:04 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 17, 2015, 11:59:44 PM
The county board's sub-committee has looked at former Down managers who do not want the job, outside figures we probably cannot afford, experienced club coaches who lack any recent achievements and younger candidates who have enthusiasm but no relevant track record. It is a process which may take some time.

We at least have a place in division one next year, but the provisional fixture list shows that we only have three home games and they are against the last three All Ireland champions. Our four away matches are against Cork and Mayo, who are ranked way ahead of us, Monaghan, who are Ulster champions and Roscommon, who comfortably beat us twice last season.

This is why following Down is seldom dull.

The bit in bold. Do you actually know they have looked at all those people or are you assuming they have?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 18, 2015, 11:19:30 AM
 Pity there is no one in place with all the Championship semis coming up this weekend and next.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 18, 2015, 01:48:48 PM
It should not matter whether the club championships are over or not, the person appointed should have a sound knowledge of our club leagues otherwise they aren't the right man. I have been told by a very strong reliable source close to the CB that Deegan, Mickey Walsh, Dawson, Poacher, Cathal Murray and Shorty Trainor are the only parties who have expressed a direct interest to the county board about the job. The minor job has also produced some serious interest, with Gerard Colgan, Liam Hardy, Paddy Hardy, John Kennedy, Sean O Hare and ex players Daniel Mc Cartan and Beny Coulter all interested in taking up the mantle of minor boss. Interesting few weeks ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 18, 2015, 02:02:29 PM
On a plus note if the provisional fixtures mentioned earlier are real. Really looking forward to Dublin and Kerry coming to Newry. Although I though the promoted teams were given 4 home games . The sooner u play kerry the better if past few years league has anything to go by. Some incentive for any new manager bringing the big boys to Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tiocfaidh Ned on September 18, 2015, 02:44:43 PM
Twenty one years ago today we won our last silverware at senior level. Two Ulster titles and two All Irelands in three years and then nothing, nadda, zip, zilch. We've seen Armagh come and go, the rise of Tyrone, the Dublin drought 1995 - 2011. Kerry have won six All Irelands in that time, could be seven before the weekend is over. Meath won a couple, even Galway managed one. We came agonisingly close in 2010, close but no cigar.
We've seen managers come and go, from Pete McGrath to Jim McCorry. The highs of beating Kerry in Croke Park again, Kalum King's finger tips against Kildare. We repaid Sligo with interest and then some, to the lows of Aughrim, Enniskillen and the Boyne Wexford.

We have no strategy in place at any level, no training facilities of our own, no management. We managed to make a complete cluster f**k of the sale of Newcastle and we won't mention the fiasco of the purchase of land and planning at Bryansford, but every little helps. I could go on, but I'd be here to next Friday, but no worries there for our highly paid county secretary. It's time for change.

#SackSeanOg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 18, 2015, 03:57:28 PM
 YAWN yawn.Change the record.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 18, 2015, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: Tiocfaidh Ned on September 18, 2015, 02:44:43 PM
Twenty one years ago today we won our last silverware at senior level. Two Ulster titles and two All Irelands in three years and then nothing, nadda, zip, zilch. We've seen Armagh come and go, the rise of Tyrone, the Dublin drought 1995 - 2011. Kerry have won six All Irelands in that time, could be seven before the weekend is over. Meath won a couple, even Galway managed one. We came agonisingly close in 2010, close but no cigar.
We've seen managers come and go, from Pete McGrath to Jim McCorry. The highs of beating Kerry in Croke Park again, Kalum King's finger tips against Kildare. We repaid Sligo with interest and then some, to the lows of Aughrim, Enniskillen and the Boyne Wexford.

We have no strategy in place at any level, no training facilities of our own, no management. We managed to make a complete cluster f**k of the sale of Newcastle and we won't mention the fiasco of the purchase of land and planning at Bryansford, but every little helps. I could go on, but I'd be here to next Friday, but no worries there for our highly paid county secretary. It's time for change.

#SackSeanOg

Quote from: SamFever on September 18, 2015, 03:57:28 PM
YAWN yawn.Change the record.
yawn yawn all you want but at the end of the day he's not wrong. Change needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 45 on September 18, 2015, 07:27:33 PM
I agree I think it is time for a change from the top right to the bottom. This is not an attack on people who have been great servants to Down Gaa. It is just time for new voices and fresh ideas as the whole thing is starting to stagnate and going nowhere quick, as some one said earlier in the board if we do not sort ourselves out we could be the new Antrim in Ulster in a few years and that is very worrying.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 18, 2015, 08:31:27 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 18, 2015, 08:06:37 PM
Quote from: 45 on September 18, 2015, 07:27:33 PM
I agree I think it is time for a change from the top right to the bottom. This is not an attack on people who have been great servants to Down Gaa. It is just time for new voices and fresh ideas as the whole thing is starting to stagnate and going nowhere quick, as some one said earlier in the board if we do not sort ourselves out we could be the new Antrim in Ulster in a few years and that is very worrying.
Explain what changes you think need addressed from top to bottom?

SAMFEVER you think the current set up in Down has been / is / will be a success? Lets look at it very simply. The Down Senior team has won nothing meaningful in over 20 years. Will they or do they look like winning anything soon - No. That tells me something is seriously wrong. And its not just at Senior level but at all grades from U-21 / Minor etc.  The county has been standing still waiting for a team to simply appear from nowhere without putting resources / plans in place to bring through players of a sufficient standard needed to compete at the highest level in the modern day.  These are plans which should have been put in place at least 15 years ago in the late 90's / early 2000's when the Armaghs / Tyrones / Donegals / Monaghans got there act together and planned for the future. Down GAA have fallen way behind counties competing for silverware and I cant see that changing if we continue with what we have at present and the County Board BADLY needs new blood with new ideas if Down is ever to turn a corner because at present the current set up offers nothing in moving Down Football forward. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on September 18, 2015, 08:54:14 PM
Loughinisland 1 11 ballymartin 0 07 deserved win tonight for loughinisland could off been closer only for the sending of just before half time ref didn't have a great one!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 18, 2015, 09:11:55 PM
Quote from: thebar on September 18, 2015, 08:31:27 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 18, 2015, 08:06:37 PM
Quote from: 45 on September 18, 2015, 07:27:33 PM
I agree I think it is time for a change from the top right to the bottom. This is not an attack on people who have been great servants to Down Gaa. It is just time for new voices and fresh ideas as the whole thing is starting to stagnate and going nowhere quick, as some one said earlier in the board if we do not sort ourselves out we could be the new Antrim in Ulster in a few years and that is very worrying.
Explain what changes you think need addressed from top to bottom?

SAMFEVER you think the current set up in Down has been / is / will be a success? Lets look at it very simply. The Down Senior team has won nothing meaningful in over 20 years. Will they or do they look like winning anything soon - No. That tells me something is seriously wrong. And its not just at Senior level but at all grades from U-21 / Minor etc.  The county has been standing still waiting for a team to simply appear from nowhere without putting resources / plans in place to bring through players of a sufficient standard needed to compete at the highest level in the modern day.  These are plans which should have been put in place at least 15 years ago in the late 90's / early 2000's when the Armaghs / Tyrones / Donegals / Monaghans got there act together and planned for the future. Down GAA have fallen way behind counties competing for silverware and I cant see that changing if we continue with what we have at present and the County Board BADLY needs new blood with new ideas if Down is ever to turn a corner because at present the current set up offers nothing in moving Down Football forward.
I didn't give a view on any of this.All I asked was what should be changed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 18, 2015, 09:50:18 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 18, 2015, 09:11:55 PM
Quote from: thebar on September 18, 2015, 08:31:27 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 18, 2015, 08:06:37 PM
Quote from: 45 on September 18, 2015, 07:27:33 PM
I agree I think it is time for a change from the top right to the bottom. This is not an attack on people who have been great servants to Down Gaa. It is just time for new voices and fresh ideas as the whole thing is starting to stagnate and going nowhere quick, as some one said earlier in the board if we do not sort ourselves out we could be the new Antrim in Ulster in a few years and that is very worrying.
Explain what changes you think need addressed from top to bottom?

SAMFEVER you think the current set up in Down has been / is / will be a success? Lets look at it very simply. The Down Senior team has won nothing meaningful in over 20 years. Will they or do they look like winning anything soon - No. That tells me something is seriously wrong. And its not just at Senior level but at all grades from U-21 / Minor etc.  The county has been standing still waiting for a team to simply appear from nowhere without putting resources / plans in place to bring through players of a sufficient standard needed to compete at the highest level in the modern day.  These are plans which should have been put in place at least 15 years ago in the late 90's / early 2000's when the Armaghs / Tyrones / Donegals / Monaghans got there act together and planned for the future. Down GAA have fallen way behind counties competing for silverware and I cant see that changing if we continue with what we have at present and the County Board BADLY needs new blood with new ideas if Down is ever to turn a corner because at present the current set up offers nothing in moving Down Football forward.
I didn't give a view on any of this.All I asked was what should be changed?
Excuse my ignorance but your response when asking someone to explain what changes are needed implies to me anyway everything is grand and rosey?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 18, 2015, 10:00:13 PM
Quote from: thebar on September 18, 2015, 09:50:18 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 18, 2015, 09:11:55 PM
Quote from: thebar on September 18, 2015, 08:31:27 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 18, 2015, 08:06:37 PM
Quote from: 45 on September 18, 2015, 07:27:33 PM
I agree I think it is time for a change from the top right to the bottom. This is not an attack on people who have been great servants to Down Gaa. It is just time for new voices and fresh ideas as the whole thing is starting to stagnate and going nowhere quick, as some one said earlier in the board if we do not sort ourselves out we could be the new Antrim in Ulster in a few years and that is very worrying.
Explain what changes you think need addressed from top to bottom?

SAMFEVER you think the current set up in Down has been / is / will be a success? Lets look at it very simply. The Down Senior team has won nothing meaningful in over 20 years. Will they or do they look like winning anything soon - No. That tells me something is seriously wrong. And its not just at Senior level but at all grades from U-21 / Minor etc.  The county has been standing still waiting for a team to simply appear from nowhere without putting resources / plans in place to bring through players of a sufficient standard needed to compete at the highest level in the modern day.  These are plans which should have been put in place at least 15 years ago in the late 90's / early 2000's when the Armaghs / Tyrones / Donegals / Monaghans got there act together and planned for the future. Down GAA have fallen way behind counties competing for silverware and I cant see that changing if we continue with what we have at present and the County Board BADLY needs new blood with new ideas if Down is ever to turn a corner because at present the current set up offers nothing in moving Down Football forward.
I didn't give a view on any of this.All I asked was what should be changed?
Excuse my ignorance but your response when asking someone to explain what changes are needed implies to me anyway everything is grand and rosey?
For clarity,everything is most definitely not rosy and grand.What changes and strategy should occur?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 18, 2015, 10:02:32 PM
Big win for longstone tonight beating mayobridge 2-12 to 0-12. Brings a few teams into the mix for the last relegation places.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 45 on September 18, 2015, 10:23:09 PM
I do not have all night to go through what all these changes should be, but  I have noticed our under teams form has dipped considerably since they have been trained and set up so defensively . This is not what Down football is about , it's about attacking football with a certain amount of freedom to express ourselves on the field. That's what has made us different to every other county in Ulster through the years and it is on these core values that down teams should be coached.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 18, 2015, 10:24:48 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 18, 2015, 10:00:13 PM
Quote from: thebar on September 18, 2015, 09:50:18 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 18, 2015, 09:11:55 PM
Quote from: thebar on September 18, 2015, 08:31:27 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 18, 2015, 08:06:37 PM
Quote from: 45 on September 18, 2015, 07:27:33 PM
I agree I think it is time for a change from the top right to the bottom. This is not an attack on people who have been great servants to Down Gaa. It is just time for new voices and fresh ideas as the whole thing is starting to stagnate and going nowhere quick, as some one said earlier in the board if we do not sort ourselves out we could be the new Antrim in Ulster in a few years and that is very worrying.
Explain what changes you think need addressed from top to bottom?

SAMFEVER you think the current set up in Down has been / is / will be a success? Lets look at it very simply. The Down Senior team has won nothing meaningful in over 20 years. Will they or do they look like winning anything soon - No. That tells me something is seriously wrong. And its not just at Senior level but at all grades from U-21 / Minor etc.  The county has been standing still waiting for a team to simply appear from nowhere without putting resources / plans in place to bring through players of a sufficient standard needed to compete at the highest level in the modern day.  These are plans which should have been put in place at least 15 years ago in the late 90's / early 2000's when the Armaghs / Tyrones / Donegals / Monaghans got there act together and planned for the future. Down GAA have fallen way behind counties competing for silverware and I cant see that changing if we continue with what we have at present and the County Board BADLY needs new blood with new ideas if Down is ever to turn a corner because at present the current set up offers nothing in moving Down Football forward.
I didn't give a view on any of this.All I asked was what should be changed?
Excuse my ignorance but your response when asking someone to explain what changes are needed implies to me anyway everything is grand and rosey?
For clarity,everything is most definitely not rosy and grand.What changes and strategy should occur?
I'm glad you agree..As an individual I dont have all the answers your looking and I believe no 1 individual has but it will take something other than the current norm to make changes (what / who that is needs to be addressed - why dont we go and look at what structures have been put in place where success is going to?) but what I will note is the current set up is failing and failing badly. I think we can all see that. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 18, 2015, 10:37:00 PM
Agreed and I'm at at a loss as to who or what can help us?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 18, 2015, 11:23:57 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 18, 2015, 10:37:00 PM
Agreed and I'm at at a loss as to who or what can help us?

We are in a terrible predicament in the fact that a serious amount of our talent emigrate. I would guess every poster on here could name a good few young guys who have headed off abroad. For work, opportunities etc etc. Many will never return on a permanent basis. What's worth staying for? Counties like Tyrone at least have some chance of winning an AI again. They are always reaching the last 8 or 4 of the competition. As long as the rot continues there is no incentive for young lads to stay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Red eye on September 20, 2015, 11:52:13 AM
Quote from: 45 on September 18, 2015, 10:23:09 PM
I do not have all night to go through what all these changes should be, but  I have noticed our under teams form has dipped considerably since they have been trained and set up so defensively . This is not what Down football is about , it's about attacking football with a certain amount of freedom to express ourselves on the field. That's what has made us different to every other county in Ulster through the years and it is on these core values that down teams should be coached.

This style of play has not garnered success in the recent past - Donegal, Tyrone (as someone says are reaching last 4 / 8 reg), even Dublin and Kerry today rely to some degree on the sweeper / defensive formation.
Have all the attacking free flowing football you want but in the current climate it will win nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Jofus on September 20, 2015, 08:58:35 PM
Two very close games in the Intermediate championship over the weekend.  Loughinisland got a stroke of luck when the Ballymartin full forward seemed to get wrongly sent off when it was another player who had struck. They just about got over the line but probably deserved it. An Riocht put in a similar performance to do enough to win, Bredagh were very dogged and could have gotten something out of it in the end but An Riocht were the better side alright. I thought the refereeing in both games was brutal and you could sense the frustration from spectators, mentors and players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on September 20, 2015, 09:06:21 PM
Have to agree it was brutal and the minor ref wasn't eny better !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 21, 2015, 02:14:57 PM
What way are the up and downs for promotion and relegation working, have been told a few things but not 100% sure. I know Ballymartin are up and Loughinisland play one of the bottom teams from Div1. That's my lot☺️ A wee nudge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tiocfaidh Ned on September 21, 2015, 05:09:49 PM
 Looking on the bright side for a change, we are guaranteed to have one team at next years All Ireland final.

#SackSeanOg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 21, 2015, 09:34:47 PM
Great win for Rostrevor minors tonight 1.7 to 1.6 against Warrenpoint, its tough on CPN as Rostrevor scored 3 points in final minutes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on September 21, 2015, 09:49:41 PM
Rostrevor didn't score for about 40 mins then scored a goal with about 10 mins to go to equalise 1.03 to 0.6. Rostrevor then went a point ahead only for CPN to score a goal but rostrevor dug in and scored 3 points in final 3 or 4 mins
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 21, 2015, 09:51:13 PM
Quote from: Tiocfaidh Ned on September 21, 2015, 05:09:49 PM
Looking on the bright side for a change, we are guaranteed to have one team at next years All Ireland final.

#SackSeanOg
Please explain.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 21, 2015, 09:54:13 PM
Floodlights in Burren aren't adequate for a big match like this; not fair to the minors on both sides. Rostrevor just about deserved it. Warrenpoint dominated either side of half-time, but Rostrevor much stronger in the last 20 mins. Playing down the hill in Burren is an advantage at under-age level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 21, 2015, 10:46:34 PM
Quote from: wobbller on September 21, 2015, 09:51:13 PM
Quote from: Tiocfaidh Ned on September 21, 2015, 05:09:49 PM
Looking on the bright side for a change, we are guaranteed to have one team at next years All Ireland final.

#SackSeanOg
Please explain.
91 team due to be honoured before next years final. 25 years on, hard to believe!! I take it that's the team he's talking about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 21, 2015, 11:24:43 PM
Forgot about that Presentation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 22, 2015, 11:04:48 AM
It was a poor game last night due in part to the conditions. It would have reminded you of the AI Final the way the players were slipping and sliding and ball handling was tough.  The game only got going in the last 10 minutes.  Warrenpoint were leading by 3 and looked the better team, and but for a couple of misplaced passes would have been further ahead.  However you sensed that Rostrevor were starting to get their act together just prior to the goal they scored and to be fair they totally dominated from that moment on, with Warrenpoints goal a rare moment of joy for them in that last 10 (plus significant injury time). 

Best players for both teams were on defence with the full back lines in particular having very good games.  Point forwards looked sharper throughout but didnt put the scores up, while in the last 10, Rostrevors half back line cleaned up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on September 22, 2015, 11:20:55 AM
Rostrevor always seem to be strong at the Minor grade. They won 3 or 4 All County Championships in the 2000's and from memory a couple in the 90's. It's strange that none of that Minor success has translated to Senior silverware for the Reds. Kilcoo are the shining example of translating underage dominance to the Senior grade.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 22, 2015, 12:41:18 PM
Strange game, low scoring and poor handling all round. Reds looked to be dead and buried when the Point got their goal, but fair play to them they stuck at it and sent over 3 unanswered points in injury time. Young Chris Killen was super at corner back, only an U16 too. An interesting final to look forward to in two weeks, Shamrocks will be well up for it after the league defeat a few weeks back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 22, 2015, 01:17:26 PM
What way are the up and downs for promotion and relegation working, have been told a few things but not 100% sure. I know Ballymartin are up and Loughinisland play one of the bottom teams from Div1. That's my lot☺️ A wee nudge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FML on September 22, 2015, 01:34:37 PM
Loughinisland as runners up in Div 2 will play off against the 6th from bottom team in Div 1, currently Longstone but dependant on several results in final round of games.
Bottom 5 in Div 1 are relegated, Ballymartin are promoted as Div 2 champs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on September 22, 2015, 01:48:31 PM
Do 8 go down from division 2?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on September 22, 2015, 02:48:28 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 22, 2015, 12:41:18 PM
Strange game, low scoring and poor handling all round. Reds looked to be dead and buried when the Point got their goal, but fair play to them they stuck at it and sent over 3 unanswered points in injury time. Young Chris Killen was super at corner back, only an U16 too. An interesting final to look forward to in two weeks, Shamrocks will be well up for it after the league defeat a few weeks back.
were did the ref get 7 mins extra time from seemed a bit long!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on September 22, 2015, 06:17:33 PM
We were lead to believe that the top 6 in Division two stayed up. However at the weekend then heard rumours that its top 8. Can anyone clarify?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 22, 2015, 10:53:58 PM
Ex Burren manager now a new Derry manager !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 23, 2015, 08:56:25 AM
Quote from: umpire on September 22, 2015, 10:53:58 PM
Ex Burren manager now a new Derry manager !!

Can't honestly wait to see whether our County Board are going to challenge this as the most bizarre appointment of the year.

Looks like succession plans, or lack thereof, aren't just a Down problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 23, 2015, 10:11:47 AM
It looks to be a bit of a surprise appointment alright.
What has Barton been up to since his Burren days?
(There has been some dough spent down there this last 10years financing their teams)

Wobbler, how do you think a management team should be chosen and who would be your preferred candidates/choices for each of the grades that lie vacant?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 23, 2015, 11:25:21 AM
Brick, you asked for it. Apologies, this goes on a bit. Then a bit more.

Now that we're 10 years on from appointing full-time coaches across the county, and 20 years on from every senior football club paying a manager for their expertise, there really should be a well-formed queue of candidates for each of the roles.

But for one reason or another, this hasn't happened. The visibility and purpose of the coaches is increasingly inconspicuous, while you'd have to go back to Rostrevor in 1999 to find a Senior Championship winner who wasn't in the first two favourites in the betting. Apart from Longstone in the mid 2000s, no outsider has even made a dent at a challenge. All told it suggests a lack of ability around the county to mould and organise, beyond the natural ability of players.

So to put it frankly, we're screwed if we are reliant on people from within the county to bring us forward. There is no evidence to back up any appointment. The only viable candiates from the past decade - based on SFC performance - are James McCartan (never go back), Jim McCorry (an absolute travesty how he was treated, and he won't be back), and Frank Dawson (who has genuinely blotted his copy book with Bryansford - their result against Liatroim was an even worse result than Down in Wexford).

This isn't to say I want an outside appointment, and if paying a fortune to a manager with little-to-no evidence of improving an average team (let's just say Banty), I'd much prefer to appoint someone from inside who'll keep the ship afloat - a Paddy O'Rourke perhaps - while we get our house in order. This isn't soccer; there is no short term fix in terms of buying in players, and maybe it is just time to swallow it up, and plan for the future.

We have a very decent senior football team in Down. But we're still a long way short of the top 4-5 teams.

It would take a brave county board to make a statement like this, for too many of our supporters and county board reps still live in cloud cuckoo land where Down have football brilliance on tap. The "Down Way" (sniggers). These people would need brought on board which means the County Board would immediately have to back it up by ploughing efforts into youth football.

- - -

This is why I'm so welcoming of the "defensive" style of football that is currently running amok in the county. Yes, it's hard to watch. But if it shows that players are willing to become a greater sum than their parts, and that managers are willing and able to assist them in doing so, then first of all our club championships will get closer, and this should have a natural impact on the capabilities of the senior county team.

If it signals the end of trying to get the most talented XV on the field (which in fairness McCorry was guilty of this year) instead of the XV most suited to the game ahead, then it's only a good thing.

Yep it's going to be ugly to watch for a few years, but my guess is that sooner rather than later, forwards across the country are just going to get better. They have to. And if we're not playing this game, our forwards will be left behind.

I'm also welcoming of the return to smaller all county leagues. Unlike in most counties, league football has always mattered in Down, but the 15-team league format has genuinely weakened competitiveness. We should hopefully see the benefits of the reduction again in a couple of year's time. For the life of me I've no idea why county managers would rather have players going rusty rather than sharpening their skills, and more games of high-intensity can only be a good thing. And I'd make it a stipulation of any county appointment that they do not try to interfere with the club game; accept the calendar, accept the starred sytem, or don't take the job... basically don't act surprised or annoyed when June comes and your players are playing for their clubs - plan for it.

Put those things together with a strong emphasis on youth development, and by 2018-19, we should be in a position to challenge for silverware again.

- - -

In the meantime, based on results at minor the past 3 years and the lack of progress of players to senior football, the under-21 job has the look of a poisoned chalice, and good luck to anyone who wants it. A favourable draw - an Antrim or Fermanagh at home - is now a necessity to build up some momentum/confidence and help shake off the shackles. But I can't help thinking that the Down lads who are up in Belfast this year with Tyrone and Donegal footballers of the same age, know that they're behind. That's how it played out before they got to train with them.

I've a fair idea of what's coming through at minor for 2016, and unless there's a few springers appear out of nowhere, whoever gets that job (is it not McCartan and O'Hare?) will also have their work cut out without a favourable draw. There is a bit of talent there - 2-3 very good forwards, 2-3 solid defenders - but you only have to look at how poorly the likes of Red High, St Louis, St Colman's and Abbey have performed in Uster Colleges recently to get a picture of the strength in depth.

Red High and Louis haven't even made it out of MacLarnon Group stages for the past two years, and while Colman's made a Rannafast final in 2014, the majority of those players are the wrong side of January.

Which takes us back to the crux of the problem. We're not producing enough players, and not producing enough high-quality, focused players to be competitive. That, for me, is a much more important problem for Down to solve than who will be the next senior football manager.

- - -

To finally get around to answering your question, I reckon we should:

- declare that the focus of the county will be on youth development for the foreseeable future.
- advertise for each position and make it clear what we expect at each level (I'm not going to say what this expectation should be, but the people doing the hiring should know).
- make it clear in the application process that youth and club systems are, for now, taking priority and that if appointed, they will have to make to without a clatter of back room personnel and adminstrative overheads until the key priorities have begun to show progress (i.e. delivering players).
- make an appointment from whoever is left, and give them an absolute guarantee that if they achieve the agreed goal, they will be re-appointed for the following season, with no ability for the clubs to interject.

I don't imagine we'd have many applicants! and if truth be told I don't have any recommendations either.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on September 23, 2015, 12:18:48 PM
Quote from: Tiocfaidh Ned on September 18, 2015, 02:44:43 PM
Twenty one years ago today we won our last silverware at senior level. Two Ulster titles and two All Irelands in three years and then nothing, nadda, zip, zilch. We've seen Armagh come and go, the rise of Tyrone, the Dublin drought 1995 - 2011. Kerry have won six All Irelands in that time, could be seven before the weekend is over. Meath won a couple, even Galway managed one. We came agonisingly close in 2010, close but no cigar.
We've seen managers come and go, from Pete McGrath to Jim McCorry. The highs of beating Kerry in Croke Park again, Kalum King's finger tips against Kildare. We repaid Sligo with interest and then some, to the lows of Aughrim, Enniskillen and the Boyne Wexford.

We have no strategy in place at any level, no training facilities of our own, no management. We managed to make a complete cluster f**k of the sale of Newcastle and we won't mention the fiasco of the purchase of land and planning at Bryansford, but every little helps. I could go on, but I'd be here to next Friday, but no worries there for our highly paid county secretary. It's time for change.

#SackSeanOg

Was just hoping some one would be able to spread some light on the above? Were there previous plans in place to have a centre of excellence or something of the equivalent in Bryansford?
Also are there any plans on the table for such a venture to happen in the future? Having a central location for county trainings, cúl camps and even the county board office would certainly be a more professional approach to what is in current operation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 23, 2015, 12:26:44 PM
Interesting reading Wobbler. Agree with most of it.
But I think we can safely say that such a logical and structured approach would never be entertained by the County Board.

I also think the clubs have a bigger role to play and a certain responsibility lies with them in terms of quality coaching and mentoring of their youth through the ranks. This probably goes in tandem with a sound link between the local schools and clubs. I just think that some clubs aren't willing to or able to plough more time and effort into their underage structures and spend the hard hours getting it right there so that adult players or of a certain quality or calibre come to fruition.

Still like to know who your recommendations personal choice would be though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on September 23, 2015, 12:37:34 PM
With regards to Minor/U21 management; I would like to see a combination of the schools MacRory/MacLarnon teams managers from all around the county be considered or approached for these positions, especially the Minors. Not only will they have good knowledge of our own players but they will also have early insight around into opposition players around Ulster they will be competing against in the championship come May.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 23, 2015, 03:11:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 23, 2015, 11:25:21 AM
Brick, you asked for it. Apologies, this goes on a bit. Then a bit more.

Now that we're 10 years on from appointing full-time coaches across the county, and 20 years on from every senior football club paying a manager for their expertise, there really should be a well-formed queue of candidates for each of the roles.

But for one reason or another, this hasn't happened. The visibility and purpose of the coaches is increasingly inconspicuous, while you'd have to go back to Rostrevor in 1999 to find a Senior Championship winner who wasn't in the first two favourites in the betting. Apart from Longstone in the mid 2000s, no outsider has even made a dent at a challenge. All told it suggests a lack of ability around the county to mould and organise, beyond the natural ability of players.

So to put it frankly, we're screwed if we are reliant on people from within the county to bring us forward. There is no evidence to back up any appointment. The only viable candiates from the past decade - based on SFC performance - are James McCartan (never go back), Jim McCorry (an absolute travesty how he was treated, and he won't be back), and Frank Dawson (who has genuinely blotted his copy book with Bryansford - their result against Liatroim was an even worse result than Down in Wexford).

This isn't to say I want an outside appointment, and if paying a fortune to a manager with little-to-no evidence of improving an average team (let's just say Banty), I'd much prefer to appoint someone from inside who'll keep the ship afloat - a Paddy O'Rourke perhaps - while we get our house in order. This isn't soccer; there is no short term fix in terms of buying in players, and maybe it is just time to swallow it up, and plan for the future.

We have a very decent senior football team in Down. But we're still a long way short of the top 4-5 teams.

It would take a brave county board to make a statement like this, for too many of our supporters and county board reps still live in cloud cuckoo land where Down have football brilliance on tap. The "Down Way" (sniggers). These people would need brought on board which means the County Board would immediately have to back it up by ploughing efforts into youth football.

- - -

This is why I'm so welcoming of the "defensive" style of football that is currently running amok in the county. Yes, it's hard to watch. But if it shows that players are willing to become a greater sum than their parts, and that managers are willing and able to assist them in doing so, then first of all our club championships will get closer, and this should have a natural impact on the capabilities of the senior county team.

If it signals the end of trying to get the most talented XV on the field (which in fairness McCorry was guilty of this year) instead of the XV most suited to the game ahead, then it's only a good thing.

Yep it's going to be ugly to watch for a few years, but my guess is that sooner rather than later, forwards across the country are just going to get better. They have to. And if we're not playing this game, our forwards will be left behind.

I'm also welcoming of the return to smaller all county leagues. Unlike in most counties, league football has always mattered in Down, but the 15-team league format has genuinely weakened competitiveness. We should hopefully see the benefits of the reduction again in a couple of year's time. For the life of me I've no idea why county managers would rather have players going rusty rather than sharpening their skills, and more games of high-intensity can only be a good thing. And I'd make it a stipulation of any county appointment that they do not try to interfere with the club game; accept the calendar, accept the starred sytem, or don't take the job... basically don't act surprised or annoyed when June comes and your players are playing for their clubs - plan for it.

Put those things together with a strong emphasis on youth development, and by 2018-19, we should be in a position to challenge for silverware again.

- - -

In the meantime, based on results at minor the past 3 years and the lack of progress of players to senior football, the under-21 job has the look of a poisoned chalice, and good luck to anyone who wants it. A favourable draw - an Antrim or Fermanagh at home - is now a necessity to build up some momentum/confidence and help shake off the shackles. But I can't help thinking that the Down lads who are up in Belfast this year with Tyrone and Donegal footballers of the same age, know that they're behind. That's how it played out before they got to train with them.

I've a fair idea of what's coming through at minor for 2016, and unless there's a few springers appear out of nowhere, whoever gets that job (is it not McCartan and O'Hare?) will also have their work cut out without a favourable draw. There is a bit of talent there - 2-3 very good forwards, 2-3 solid defenders - but you only have to look at how poorly the likes of Red High, St Louis, St Colman's and Abbey have performed in Uster Colleges recently to get a picture of the strength in depth.

Red High and Louis haven't even made it out of MacLarnon Group stages for the past two years, and while Colman's made a Rannafast final in 2014, the majority of those players are the wrong side of January.

Which takes us back to the crux of the problem. We're not producing enough players, and not producing enough high-quality, focused players to be competitive. That, for me, is a much more important problem for Down to solve than who will be the next senior football manager.

- - -

To finally get around to answering your question, I reckon we should:

- declare that the focus of the county will be on youth development for the foreseeable future.
- advertise for each position and make it clear what we expect at each level (I'm not going to say what this expectation should be, but the people doing the hiring should know).
- make it clear in the application process that youth and club systems are, for now, taking priority and that if appointed, they will have to make to without a clatter of back room personnel and adminstrative overheads until the key priorities have begun to show progress (i.e. delivering players).
- make an appointment from whoever is left, and give them an absolute guarantee that if they achieve the agreed goal, they will be re-appointed for the following season, with no ability for the clubs to interject.

I don't imagine we'd have many applicants! and if truth be told I don't have any recommendations either.
some very good points here but Down being the ""Ulster Guinea Pig" for the change in age-groups are.I think, making a mistake. Take a young lad who's playing and starting at U14(apllies equally to U16 and Minor)  in 2015 and he's still U13,he'll have two further years at U15.Fair enough but his two mates are not making the team this year and generally next year they would push on for a place in their last year at U14 but under this structure the two lads will be on the bench next year and will only get a chance to shine at their last year of U15/17/19,etc  in 2017. It's a long time to be sitting on the bench at that age. On another point what about U18 teams who struggled in 2015?In the new structures they will continue to struggle as they could possibly have players at College, north and South or over in Britland. These changes will not benefit Down Football and I don't see how this was actually voted in by our Clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 23, 2015, 04:06:47 PM
To be fair they were probably advised that it would be a great idea by some external, non-elected third party in the background of the county board. ie we are Down, the Down way, we will show them all how its done, trend setters etc. ::)
Smacks of the classroom swot sticking his hand up burstin himself to answer every question the teacher asks. Me me me me me. Pick me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 23, 2015, 04:17:19 PM
Something was mentioned to me the other day about this new underage structure, which struck a chord.

In 2016, Tiarnan Rushe will be in his third season of senior football, and will be a key component of the senior team. But due to the re-alignment, he will again be a minor/under-19. Senior management won't want him playing juvenile football, but minor management will know that if he doesn't play for them, then interest levels will fold at that age group. So he'll be pulled in two directions for another year, and when does play division II minors, he'll bang in 20 points a game, it'll be of genuinely of no use to his progression, and will break the hearts of whoever he is marking - who by this stage should be concentrating on fat 35 years olds in reserve football.

Basically he could do with juvenile football like a hole in the head, especially when lads who are away to college or off to work decide to jack it in.

I understand the issues that this idea was designed to resolve. But my early thinking is that it will create the opposite effect.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on September 23, 2015, 05:11:29 PM
I'll throw in my 2ps worth, might only be worth 1p when you read it, regarding who I would select as managers for vacant positions. Worth pointing out that this are on the assumption that we are building for the future, putting emphasis on youth and at least holding our own at U21 and senior.

Minor - Liam Hardy - have seen how he is with players, his coaching is great and he along with a good backroom team would be a great man to encourage young players to progress in the county jersey.

U21 - Connor Deegan - looks like he wants to get involved though for me he knows no one at club level in Down. He has worked with a lot of teams in Dublin and I think this could be a good introduction to management in Down.

Senior - the poison chalice - we need someone who is willing to work under enormous constraints and I don't know if anyone would accept what we actually need. For me I think that the likes of a joint effort, where the workload could be shared would be the best approach and people like Cathal Murray, Barney Mc Aleenan, Brendan Mason, Paul Higgins, Shorty Treanor etc. might just work. These guys have all coached and played at a very high level. They hopefully would all be about the £££'s and if they can maintain Down at or around Div 1 or top Div 2 for a few years then great.

I no people will completely disagree with this but hey, I have names out there now. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 23, 2015, 05:57:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 23, 2015, 04:17:19 PM
Something was mentioned to me the other day about this new underage structure, which struck a chord.

In 2016, Tiarnan Rushe will be in his third season of senior football, and will be a key component of the senior team. But due to the realignment, he will again be a minor/under-19. Senior management won't want him playing juvenile football, but minor management will know that if he doesn't play for them, then interest levels will fold at that age group. So he'll be pulled in two directions for another year, and when does play division II minors, he'll bang in 20 points a game, it'll be of genuinely of no use to his progression, and will break the hearts of whoever he is marking - who by this stage should be concentrating on fat 35 years olds in reserve football.

Basically he could do with juvenile football like a hole in the head, especially when lads who are away to college or off to work decide to jack it in.

I understand the issues that this idea was designed to resolve. But my early thinking is that it will create the opposite effect.
Would agree entirely , wobbler. The u19 level creates major problems for those above 17 who are already playing senior football. I think the u17 level actually allows a genuine cut off point, correlating with the fact that u17s can no longer play senior. Though clubs such as my own club are being deprived of utilising a batch of players graduating out of this year's u16s , on reflection , it makes sense for these lads in the long term to concentrate on underage at this age. Don't forget that Tiarnan rushe will have 22 senior league fixtures next year as opposed to 15 this year. How then , is he expected to fit in an u19 campaign in addition. As tends to be the case in these fixtures the u19 fixtures could be shoe horned in midweek in April/may/June , again putting more pressure on lads preparing for exams. I think there are other concerns regarding the u13/15/17 age groups , with some weaker players potentially missing out due to the sudden change. I have often thought that with some imagination , actually having competitions for each year group staggered over the season ensures that fewer of the weaker players will miss out. Perhaps this is something to be considered particularly for the first year of the change. I think an autumn u20 competition to replace u18 and u21 may make more sense
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on September 23, 2015, 06:31:54 PM
Any u-19s that are certain starters for their senior team should not play underage football. I think it's time clubs started concentrating on producing senior footballers and forget about winning underage competitions.
Using the example Wobbler used - Rushe is obviously talented enough to play senior football. Why let a manger at u-19 build a gameplan around Rushe.  Other players are being ignored. Without Rushe, there's an opportunity for another young lad to step up to the mark.
Factor in 3 nights a week with seniors, 1 or 2 with 19s, Down u-21s? 
Would Ballyholland prefer to win an u-19 competition, or develop the player? Plus work,on developing the lad that wasn't quite ready for senior football.
To use professional soccer as an example, did the likes of Rooney, Sterling, Owen play for their underage teams as well as the First team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on September 23, 2015, 08:52:01 PM
Going to the games this weekend. Friday nights should be a cracker! Looking forward to big things on Sunday from Tiarnan Rushe I have heard he is special!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 23, 2015, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on September 23, 2015, 06:31:54 PM
Any u-19s that are certain starters for their senior team should not play underage football. I think it's time clubs started concentrating on producing senior footballers and forget about winning underage competitions.
Using the example Wobbler used - Rushe is obviously talented enough to play senior football. Why let a manger at u-19 build a gameplan around Rushe.  Other players are being ignored. Without Rushe, there's an opportunity for another young lad to step up to the mark.
Factor in 3 nights a week with seniors, 1 or 2 with 19s, Down u-21s? 
Would Ballyholland prefer to win an u-19 competition, or develop the player? Plus work,on developing the lad that wasn't quite ready for senior football.
To use professional soccerr as an example, did the likes of Rooney, Sterling, Owen play for their underage teams as well as the First team?
Much as I hate to say it, this is not how the GAA works. If you're good enough you're expected to give 100% to every team that wants you to play. It's completely wrong, is a systemic problem across the association, and it's something that the u19 grade isn't going to fix.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 24, 2015, 09:03:14 AM
I went to school with the son of a '68 All-Ireland winner. He too was potentially talented enough to play for the county. But his club had him playing football and hurling at three age grades when he was still in primary school. His knees were busted before he was 15.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 24, 2015, 09:37:52 AM
Though  I have difficulty with the blind and unplanned conversion to 13/15/17/19, I think it could be an opportunity to rationalise the crossover between underage and senior football. There is now a clear cutoff between u17 and senior.
There are two seperate cohorts of players playing senior football 1. Those with no other playing commitments, who crave and deserve weekly football , with a defined off season. 2. The talented players( usually younger ) with other commitments: county/school/college/underage club.

The only solution in my opinion is for senior club football to be run over two seperate competitions 1. An extended championship , when they are guaranteed to have their strongest players available( no conflicting interests(cf Heineken cup in rugby) 2. A weekly league competition(excluding championship weeks) , when matches must proceed without county/schools/college players) (cf magniers league in rugby). The players with other commitments should play in any of these league matches if released by county management .

Once underage players graduate out of u17, they are either good enough for senior football "A" team or the senior development team(reserves) . That gives any interested player a clear path to senior football. I think very few clubs could not accommodate their 17+ players in this system . Perhaps the current minor and u21 competitions and the proposed u19 competition could be replaced by a brief u20 competition.
The biggest challenge is working out a timeframe for these competitions, but it's obvious that any improvement on the current system must involve LESS as opposed to MORE competitions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 24, 2015, 10:35:07 AM
Fair enough, but why in under a f*ck did we have to be the guinea pig county that took all this on. Its hard enough to run the leagues and competitions as it stands never mind having a clusterf*ck of an experiment like this 'bestowed' upon us. Its daft, and just another typical nugget from the decision makers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 24, 2015, 10:41:35 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 24, 2015, 10:35:07 AM
Fair enough, but why in under a f*ck did we have to be the guinea pig county that took all this on. Its hard enough to run the leagues and competitions as it stands never mind having a clusterf*ck of an experiment like this 'bestowed' upon us. Its daft, and just another typical nugget from the decision makers.

There's a few €uro in it that's why.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 24, 2015, 10:44:47 AM
Is the U-19 grade not just a replacement for the U-21 grade and thus will be ran off in late Autumn?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 24, 2015, 11:06:26 AM
Quote from: super reds 99 on September 22, 2015, 02:48:28 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 22, 2015, 12:41:18 PM
Strange game, low scoring and poor handling all round. Reds looked to be dead and buried when the Point got their goal, but fair play to them they stuck at it and sent over 3 unanswered points in injury time. Young Chris Killen was super at corner back, only an U16 too. An interesting final to look forward to in two weeks, Shamrocks will be well up for it after the league defeat a few weeks back.
were did the ref get 7 mins extra time from seemed a bit long!

James Rice was down for 3-4 mins and Conall Gordan was also injured for a few minutes, so off the top of my head there are two stoppages which would contribute to lengthy injury time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 24, 2015, 11:07:33 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 24, 2015, 10:44:47 AM
Is the U-19 grade not just a replacement for the U-21 grade and thus will be ran off in late Autumn?

Is there actually an U19 grade happening?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 24, 2015, 11:13:26 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 24, 2015, 10:41:35 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 24, 2015, 10:35:07 AM
Fair enough, but why in under a f*ck did we have to be the guinea pig county that took all this on. Its hard enough to run the leagues and competitions as it stands never mind having a clusterf*ck of an experiment like this 'bestowed' upon us. Its daft, and just another typical nugget from the decision makers.

There's a few €uro in it that's why.

Would there not need to be more than a few euro in it for a county to be willing to t**ker with their underage structures.
Must be true what they say about county being broke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 24, 2015, 11:34:59 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on September 24, 2015, 11:07:33 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 24, 2015, 10:44:47 AM
Is the U-19 grade not just a replacement for the U-21 grade and thus will be ran off in late Autumn?

Is there actually an U19 grade happening?

Yes, minor to be done away with.

Its a three year trial.

Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 24, 2015, 11:13:26 AM

Would there not need to be more than a few euro in it for a county to be willing to t**ker with their underage structures.
Must be true what they say about county being broke.


Where have you been these last few years? Of course we're broke so give generously to get Sean Rooney, Sean O'g and several others of the county executive out of Crumlin Road Gaol.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on September 24, 2015, 12:10:20 PM
Just how broke are the County Board, do they make the finances public at the AGM?

I am aware of winners of the county draw waiting months for their prizes as well as been mentioned the clubs themselves receiving their money.

I know it is easy criticising while not putting the time in myself but the unprofessional nature of all things related to the county is worrying, more so than the future managers of the county teams. The absence of suitable facilities for our county teams, the finances of the county, the county website are all symptoms of the problem - I can't even go online to see who won the August county draw or how many teams are to be relegated from Div 2 this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 24, 2015, 12:47:43 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 24, 2015, 11:13:26 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 24, 2015, 10:41:35 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 24, 2015, 10:35:07 AM
Fair enough, but why in under a f*ck did we have to be the guinea pig county that took all this on. Its hard enough to run the leagues and competitions as it stands never mind having a clusterf*ck of an experiment like this 'bestowed' upon us. Its daft, and just another typical nugget from the decision makers.

There's a few €uro in it that's why.

Would there not need to be more than a few euro in it for a county to be willing to t**ker with their underage structures.
Must be true what they say about county being broke.
Ask your Club are the Club Draw payments up to date and you will get your answer. The Club Down push has stalled to nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 24, 2015, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: wildrover on September 23, 2015, 08:52:01 PM
Going to the games this weekend. Friday nights should be a cracker! Looking forward to big things on Sunday from Tiarnan Rushe I have heard he is special!
I thought the minor player for Rostrevor marked him out of the game in the SFC quarter final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 24, 2015, 03:12:45 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 24, 2015, 11:34:59 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on September 24, 2015, 11:07:33 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 24, 2015, 10:44:47 AM
Is the U-19 grade not just a replacement for the U-21 grade and thus will be ran off in late Autumn?

Is there actually an U19 grade happening?

Yes, minor to be done away with.

Its a three year trial.

Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 24, 2015, 11:13:26 AM

Would there not need to be more than a few euro in it for a county to be willing to t**ker with their underage structures.
Must be true what they say about county being broke.


Where have you been these last few years? Of course we're broke so give generously to get Sean Rooney, Sean O'g and several others of the county executive out of Crumlin Road Gaol.

Is U-17 not replacing Minor?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 24, 2015, 03:17:38 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 24, 2015, 03:12:45 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 24, 2015, 11:34:59 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on September 24, 2015, 11:07:33 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 24, 2015, 10:44:47 AM
Is the U-19 grade not just a replacement for the U-21 grade and thus will be ran off in late Autumn?

Is there actually an U19 grade happening?

Yes, minor to be done away with.

Its a three year trial.

Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 24, 2015, 11:13:26 AM

Would there not need to be more than a few euro in it for a county to be willing to t**ker with their underage structures.
Must be true what they say about county being broke.


Where have you been these last few years? Of course we're broke so give generously to get Sean Rooney, Sean O'g and several others of the county executive out of Crumlin Road Gaol.

Is U-17 not replacing Minor?

Well you could argue U17 is replacing U16, we're moving to odd age groups right the way down, so instead of U14 you'll have U13 and U15 or whatever!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgaa88 on September 24, 2015, 05:33:49 PM
Is the u21 club competition still going to be played this year? and is it infact going to be u21/u20s? Anyone have an idea when it is due to begin?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on September 24, 2015, 07:55:59 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on September 24, 2015, 12:10:20 PM
Just how broke are the County Board, do they make the finances public at the AGM?

I am aware of winners of the county draw waiting months for their prizes as well as been mentioned the clubs themselves receiving their money.

I know it is easy criticising while not putting the time in myself but the unprofessional nature of all things related to the county is worrying, more so than the future managers of the county teams. The absence of suitable facilities for our county teams, the finances of the county, the county website are all symptoms of the problem - I can't even go online to see who won the August county draw or how many teams are to be relegated from Div 2 this year.
We are paying off our debts to Croke Park 10k a month. That would be the County draw money
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on September 25, 2015, 10:16:11 AM
If the new grades are doing away with minor then would this mean

Football only (hurling to be overlaid)
Sun - U-13 / Reserves (with developing U19s)
Mon - Senior & U19s train
Tues - U-17
Wed - Seniors & U19s train
Thurs- U-15
Fri - Senior matches (with strong U19s)
Sat- Go Games U-11 & U-9

u21s to include u19 players perhaps


If that is the case then it might just help develop our minors and u21s a county level.

If not the case then its such a wick idea being guinea pig.

Also with the u17 rule meaning  no senior football it cant really follow the school year for age grading

Regarding potential senior manager.

What didnt work
Carr/Kane
ORourke
McCartan

Former Down stars dont equate to good managers. Certainly not in Down anyway.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 25, 2015, 10:26:59 AM
You cannot call McCartan a failure. He got us to an All Ireland Final. If anything he overachieved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on September 25, 2015, 10:31:39 AM
nope don't think I called anyone a failure  ;)

anyone that tries their best.....does just that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 25, 2015, 03:01:23 PM
Quote from: ardtole on September 25, 2015, 10:26:59 AM
You cannot call McCartan a failure. He got us to an All Ireland Final. If anything he overachieved.
What McCartan did was certainly an overachievement of the highest order and that was five years ago. Goes to show how
bad we are now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on September 25, 2015, 04:07:35 PM
Or, another outlook is that it was only natural to make an AIF with lads of the quality of Dan Gordon, Martin Clarke, Benny Coulter, Paul McComiskey and Brendan McVeigh on board.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 25, 2015, 05:24:15 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on September 25, 2015, 04:07:35 PM
Or, another outlook is that it was only natural to make an AIF with lads of the quality of Dan Gordon, Martin Clarke, Benny Coulter, Paul McComiskey and Brendan McVeigh on board.



All known evidence before and since suggests that it was far from natural.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 25, 2015, 10:51:17 PM
Kilcoo 2-9 mayobridge 1-7. Not much football played tonight especially at the end when a mass brawl broke out. Kilcoo struggled to get going at times but deserved the win in the end. The bridge were poor enough in attack and could have won it with a bit more quality in the final 3rd, they also lost their heads a bit at the end. Mayobridge ended up with 4 players getting the line in the dying minutes, while kilcoo had 1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on September 25, 2015, 11:06:10 PM
Mayobridge sore losers tonight. Seem to be more interested in fighting and when it came to it the instigator and a couple of teammates were sent off. Kilcoo as usual came good in the second half. Theirs to lose
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 25, 2015, 11:21:52 PM
Poor game in which Kilcoo were there for the taking. Benny was off the pace for the Bridge and got caught up in the physical side. If he had been subbed, before what was always a likely second yellow, the Bridge might well have won. Instead, the extra man and the pace of the Johnston brothers got Kilcoo over the line. The row at the end seemed to involve almost every player, sub and mentor, so the video will be closely studied. The best player on view all night was the Glasdrumman midfielder Shane Harrison in the junior semi.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on September 26, 2015, 12:21:20 AM
Are ya wise man Jerome Johnston kicked 2-3 from play in a senior championship semi final against a packed bridge defence. A brilliant forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 26, 2015, 12:26:51 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 25, 2015, 11:21:52 PM
Poor game in which Kilcoo were there for the taking. Benny was off the pace for the Bridge and got caught up in the physical side. If he had been subbed, before what was always a likely second yellow, the Bridge might well have won. Instead, the extra man and the pace of the Johnston brothers got Kilcoo over the line. The row at the end seemed to involve almost every player, sub and mentor, so the video will be closely studied. The best player on view all night was the Glasdrumman midfielder Shane Harrison in the junior semi.
Shane is a good footballer but this was a JFC game between two
teams ranked somewhere in the range of  32-44 in the grand scheme of Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 26, 2015, 12:49:31 AM
Jerome Johnston is a quality forward who made no impact in the first half, got a decent goal against a tight defence and then added 1-2 in the last five minutes as the Bridge disintegrated to 14 and eventually 11 men. Shane Harrison is obviously playing at a lower level but was the dominant influence in his match from start to finish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 26, 2015, 10:26:21 AM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on September 26, 2015, 12:21:20 AM
Are ya wise man Jerome Johnston kicked 2-3 from play in a senior championship semi final against a packed bridge defence. A brilliant forward.

Agreed.  He should be the first name on the down full forward line next year ahead of both Laverty and O hare.  Ryan is very frustrating though.  Such an athlete and such ability but only comes into games here and there.

Kilcoo have beaten the second and third best team in Down playing well for 20 mins on both occasions.  Says a lot about both Kilcoo and the current standard in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on September 26, 2015, 11:59:00 AM
Think it shows how psychologically superior kilcoo are. It's a telling sign that Mayobridge had to resort to fighting and a sign of a good team that kilcoo held their discipline despite this provocation. Things seemed to fall apart for the bridge after they got their goal whereas it seemed to kickstart Kilcoo's resurgence as they took a firm grip of the game. They seem to tease teams by giving them a head start before knuckling down and grinding out the win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on September 26, 2015, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 26, 2015, 12:49:31 AM
Jerome Johnston is a quality forward who made no impact in the first half, got a decent goal against a tight defence and then added 1-2 in the last five minutes as the Bridge disintegrated to 14 and eventually 11 men. Shane Harrison is obviously playing at a lower level but was the dominant influence in his match from start to finish.

the number 15 Connaire Harrison was the main influence when it came to getting the scores

coulter should have been lined earlier and garvey should have followed with a black card instead of a yellow

kilcoo won the game playing football in the end......as most good teams do
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Jofus on September 26, 2015, 10:17:41 PM
Are we going to have the same situation as Derry where somebody comes out of the blue for the County job?  I would never have linked Barton for a County job after the time he had with Burren which didn't cover either with glory. Only Deegan and Dawson have shown an interest publicly but that doesn't say we won't have some other candidates from both inside and outside the county. Surely we should have some news soon?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on September 26, 2015, 10:18:44 PM
With the goings on this year with Glenn,Annaclone and Ballyholland all getting big fines and suspensions over a free for all it will be interesting to see how the County Board handle last nights brawl. If it's good for the goose it's good for the gander is it not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Jofus on September 26, 2015, 10:26:35 PM
Was the game videoed to catch all the action?  Tonight ArmaghTv broadcast the minor final and the Cross game for a few pound, Down used to do this but stopped for some reason and probably money related. What is wrong with streaming games particularly for exiles as I have quite a few friends abroad who used to love the Destination Newry stuff. Are we missing a trick here or does the County Board feel it is hitting them too much in the pocket to stream them live?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 26, 2015, 11:00:37 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on September 26, 2015, 10:18:44 PM
With the goings on this year with Glenn,Annaclone and Ballyholland all getting big fines and suspensions over a free for all it will be interesting to see how the County Board handle last nights brawl. If it's good for the goose it's good for the gander is it not.

Excellent point. But you can guarantee not another word will be said about it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pauly2 on September 27, 2015, 11:40:28 PM
Great performance and result tonight.. Cagey enough first half but showed our class in the second with Kevin Duffin giving an exhibition when moved out of full back to his more accustomed number 6 berth.. Will be an exciting build up now to the final with the noisy neighbours and has the makings of a good game.. First priority is survival next weekend in the league and then go for it.. #UTT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 28, 2015, 01:18:39 AM
No complaints. Best team won. Good luck to the town in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on September 28, 2015, 12:37:18 PM
great win for the town last night. great second half performance albeit against 14men. a long over due return to the senior final. kilcoo will obviously be red hot favourites but with the added spice of a local derby you just never know!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on September 28, 2015, 02:51:08 PM
would be great to see Castlewellan winning the championship. Kilcoo, Mayobridge, and Burren have been ruling Down football the past 10/12 years and would be good to get another name on the frank O'Hare. Castlewellan will be in with a shout if they can keep the two Johnson brothers quite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 28, 2015, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on September 28, 2015, 02:51:08 PM
would be great to see Castlewellan winning the championship. Kilcoo, Mayobridge, and Burren have been ruling Down football the past 10/12 years and would be good to get another name on the frank O'Hare. Castlewellan will be in with a shout if they can keep the two Johnson brothers quite.

Kilcoo could rest the Johnston brothers and still beat them pulling up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: islandchampions08 on September 28, 2015, 10:25:26 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 28, 2015, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on September 28, 2015, 02:51:08 PM
would be great to see Castlewellan winning the championship. Kilcoo, Mayobridge, and Burren have been ruling Down football the past 10/12 years and would be good to get another name on the frank O'Hare. Castlewellan will be in with a shout if they can keep the two Johnson brothers quite.

Kilcoo could rest the Johnston brothers and still beat them pulling up.

Don't put to much on that Charlie kilcoo will need a full team and play well to win,
Castlewellan have a decent team and on their day can beat anyone, don't think they will win but thinking they will get stream rolled IMO is foolish ! Time will tell
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 29, 2015, 11:39:00 AM
Quote from: islandchampions08 on September 28, 2015, 10:25:26 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 28, 2015, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on September 28, 2015, 02:51:08 PM
would be great to see Castlewellan winning the championship. Kilcoo, Mayobridge, and Burren have been ruling Down football the past 10/12 years and would be good to get another name on the frank O'Hare. Castlewellan will be in with a shout if they can keep the two Johnson brothers quite.

Kilcoo could rest the Johnston brothers and still beat them pulling up.


Don't put to much on that Charlie kilcoo will need a full team and play well to win,
Castlewellan have a decent team and on their day can beat anyone, don't think they will win but thinking they will get stream rolled IMO is foolish ! Time will tell

the odds would beg to differ kilcoo 1/6 favs and -5 is only 11/10.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rainbowman on September 29, 2015, 11:44:29 AM
Who does everybody think should be Ref for Down Senior Final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 29, 2015, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: Rainbowman on September 29, 2015, 11:44:29 AM
Who does everybody think should be Ref for Down Senior Final
Ronan Barry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 29, 2015, 11:57:12 AM
Quote from: wobbller on September 29, 2015, 11:56:39 AM
Quote from: wobbller on September 29, 2015, 11:52:42 AM
Quote from: Rainbowman on September 29, 2015, 11:44:29 AM
Who does everybody think should be Ref for Down Senior Final
Ronan Barry
Appointed last night. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.
Are you disappointed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 29, 2015, 12:14:04 PM
Has the date and time of the County finals been confirmed yet?
Im assuming its the 11th Oct, considering the 1st round of ulster is down for Nov 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rainbowman on September 29, 2015, 12:38:45 PM
Why wld I be disappointed wobbler?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rainbowman on September 29, 2015, 01:16:52 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 29, 2015, 12:14:04 PM
Has the date and time of the County finals been confirmed yet?
Im assuming its the 11th Oct, considering the 1st round of ulster is down for Nov 1
Yea County Junior and Senior Finals are on 11th of Oct
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 29, 2015, 01:41:39 PM
Quote from: Rainbowman on September 29, 2015, 01:16:52 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 29, 2015, 12:14:04 PM
Has the date and time of the County finals been confirmed yet?
Im assuming its the 11th Oct, considering the 1st round of ulster is down for Nov 1
Yea County Junior and Senior Finals are on 11th of Oct

Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 29, 2015, 07:56:12 PM
Quote from: Rainbowman on September 29, 2015, 12:38:45 PM
Why wld I be disappointed wobbler?
It's wobbller.A bit of a strange first post as all information is freely
available on the Down Website.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rainbowman on September 30, 2015, 04:37:32 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 29, 2015, 01:41:39 PM
Quote from: Rainbowman on September 29, 2015, 01:16:52 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 29, 2015, 12:14:04 PM
Has the date and time of the County finals been confirmed yet?
Im assuming its the 11th Oct, considering the 1st round of ulster is down for Nov 1
Yea County Junior and Senior Finals are on 11th of Oct

Cheers
Quote from: snoopdog on September 29, 2015, 01:41:39 PM
Quote from: Rainbowman on September 29, 2015, 01:16:52 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 29, 2015, 12:14:04 PM
Has the date and time of the County finals been confirmed yet?
Im assuming its the 11th Oct, considering the 1st round of ulster is down for Nov 1
Yea County Junior and Senior Finals are on 11th of Oct

Cheers
Quote from: snoopdog on September 29, 2015, 01:41:39 PM
Quote from: Rainbowman on September 29, 2015, 01:16:52 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 29, 2015, 12:14:04 PM
Has the date and time of the County finals been confirmed yet?
Im assuming its the 11th Oct, considering the 1st round of ulster is down for Nov 1
Yea County Junior and Senior Finals are on 11th of Oct

Cheers
Quote from: snoopdog on September 29, 2015, 01:41:39 PM
Quote from: Rainbowman on September 29, 2015, 01:16:52 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 29, 2015, 12:14:04 PM
Has the date and time of the County finals been confirmed yet?
Im assuming its the 11th Oct, considering the 1st round of ulster is down for Nov 1
Yea County Junior and Senior Finals are on 11th of Oct

Cheers.Didn't realise at time of posting Wobbler that appointment had already been made.Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rainbowman on September 30, 2015, 04:46:45 PM
Didn't realise at time of posting appointment had already been made Wobbler.Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 01, 2015, 05:11:12 PM
 Anyone going to County Board tonight? County teams on the Agenda
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on October 03, 2015, 06:10:57 PM
Ballyholland a disgrace today against the Town , especially their 2 midfielders who started the brawl and then hit smaller men from behind as it all got out of hand . The supporters who went onto the pitch from both sides want to catch themselves on too- If I was a player and I saw my da running onto the pitch because someone hit me I would be roaring at him to  wise  up to fck and get back ouside the wire. As for Poacher- the man in a nutjob along the line and it is ironic that he shouts at his players to hit opponents when he was as cowardly a player as there was.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 03, 2015, 06:25:03 PM
4 00 PM   Annaclone   ANNACLONE 0-0   -   CONC MAYOBRIDGE   
4 00 PM   Saval   SAVAL 0-10   -   0-15 KILCOO   
4 00 PM   Glenn   GLENN 5-14   -   0-6 CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA   
4 00 PM   Longstone   LONGSTONE 2-20   -   1-15 ROSTREVOR   
4 00 PM   Clonduff   CLONDUFF 5-12   -   0-5 RGU DOWNPATRICK
4 00 PM   Castlewellan   CASTLEWELLAN 0-17   -   2-6 BALLYHOLLAND   


Clonduff, Castlewellan, Saval and Longstone all on 16pts for last survival place.  Who gets it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 03, 2015, 06:45:38 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 03, 2015, 06:25:03 PM
4 00 PM   Annaclone   ANNACLONE 0-0   -   CONC MAYOBRIDGE   
4 00 PM   Saval   SAVAL 0-10   -   0-15 KILCOO   
4 00 PM   Glenn   GLENN 5-14   -   0-6 CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA   
4 00 PM   Longstone   LONGSTONE 2-20   -   1-15 ROSTREVOR   
4 00 PM   Clonduff   CLONDUFF 5-12   -   0-5 RGU DOWNPATRICK
4 00 PM   Castlewellan   CASTLEWELLAN 0-17   -   2-6 BALLYHOLLAND   


Clonduff, Castlewellan, Saval and Longstone all on 16pts for last survival place.  Who gets it?
clonduff, castlewellan and saval all stay up. longstone are in a promotion/relegation play off against loughinisland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 03, 2015, 06:54:07 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 03, 2015, 06:45:38 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 03, 2015, 06:25:03 PM
4 00 PM   Annaclone   ANNACLONE 0-0   -   CONC MAYOBRIDGE   
4 00 PM   Saval   SAVAL 0-10   -   0-15 KILCOO   
4 00 PM   Glenn   GLENN 5-14   -   0-6 CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA   
4 00 PM   Longstone   LONGSTONE 2-20   -   1-15 ROSTREVOR   
4 00 PM   Clonduff   CLONDUFF 5-12   -   0-5 RGU DOWNPATRICK
4 00 PM   Castlewellan   CASTLEWELLAN 0-17   -   2-6 BALLYHOLLAND   


Clonduff, Castlewellan, Saval and Longstone all on 16pts for last survival place.  Who gets it?
clonduff, castlewellan and saval all stay up. longstone are in a promotion/relegation play off against loughinisland.

Thanks Sheedy.  Plenty of games conceded today across all three divisions.  Keeping teams hanging on for weeks with nothing to play for for many clubs is some disaster.  Obviously another example of the infamous Down Way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on October 03, 2015, 06:58:00 PM
I think teams who choose not to field shiuld be punished severly. Makes a mockery of the whole thing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 03, 2015, 07:13:26 PM
Training from the second last league game on Friday 28th August to their next league game on Saturday 3 October is five weeks.  For many they had nothing to play for so why would teams continue to train?  Cant blame the clubs entirely but you would think that pride at least would put a team on the pitch.  CB have alot for answer as well for obviously knowing that putting a 5 week gap between the last two games of the season would cause these problems like it did today with teams not fielding.  The Down Way from CB shines through again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 07:15:05 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on October 03, 2015, 06:58:00 PM
I think teams who choose not to field shiuld be punished severly. Makes a mockery of the whole thing

Fcuk your in full on keyboard warrior mode. Poucher  should kick your shit in as a matter of principle. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 03, 2015, 07:39:39 PM
What went on in the Castlewellan v Ballyholland game? Did supporters from both clubs enter the pitch during the row? Was anyone sent off during this from either side?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on October 03, 2015, 07:53:28 PM
Don't think even wobbller could defend what happened today....
Time the co board came down hard.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 03, 2015, 08:07:13 PM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on October 03, 2015, 07:53:28 PM
Don't think even wobbller could defend what happened today....
Time the co board came down hard.....

They have yet to deal with Kilcoo and the bridge so harps and town will have to join the queue but then again CB and are a gutless crew who won't deal with a lot of the bullshit going on in games and hence the outcomes are getting worse!!!

Uncut briefs will grow out of hand!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 03, 2015, 08:20:54 PM
That should have been uncut briers will grow out of hand.

Either deal with everyone in the same way or turn a blind eye to everyone!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 03, 2015, 08:37:55 PM
Sure blame Glenn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 03, 2015, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on May 13, 2015, 10:24:54 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 12, 2015, 10:11:11 PM
I agree 100% WGM. We were lucky to escape with no reds against Burren. But I'm delighted to see our lads standing up to the (so called) big guns of Down football and not being messed about. We did the same against Rostrevor who started a melee down there in the first game of the league. We did the same to Kilcoo in the last game of the season last year. For far too long we have had a 2nd division mentality and we kowtowed to the aristocracy of Down club football. Those days are over.
I have to say Ballyholland do seem more interested in getting involved than playing football more and more so over these past few seasons. It will come to a head some day when another team 'stands up' to them as 5 Sams calls it.

Ballyholland mentality this year was born out from early in the season with an approach than we will not be bullied.  They may have gone OTT like Glenn at times but only having their wrists slapped just glosses over their behaviour.  Until our weak county board deal with this type of shit things will never change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 03, 2015, 09:08:11 PM
Regardless of who was involved or what the county board do or don't do, why is this so rife in Down club football? What does it achieve? Hard man attitude doesn't get teams anywhere in the main. Embarrassing. 4 games off the top of my head this season with serious brawls, if reports from today are to be taken as genuine.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 09:21:30 PM
Ffs wise up. It happens up and down the country. Rows have been part and parcel of football for as long as I can remember. Pontificating hypocritical ass holes the lot of ye.can anyone put their hand up and say they are their club have never been involved in a row at a match. Try going to a few tyrone club games and you rill see what a proper fight is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 03, 2015, 09:29:05 PM
We aren't Tyrone Charlie, no club blameless but certainly some clubs seem to be given a lot more leniency than other's. Either deal with it properly or as you rightly say, give everyone the green light and let the strongest survive!!! Some Craic then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wildrover on October 03, 2015, 09:33:22 PM
Really not much in it today - two players who lifted their hands were lined (one from each team) and the rest was pushing! Wee bit of words between two opposing fans but again nothing to get excited about. Nothing to see here. Town Gael and line ball as two Castlewellan fans you probably wouldnt want this to be growing legs so maybe think about making such dramatic posts!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 09:41:09 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 03, 2015, 09:29:05 PM
We aren't Tyrone Charlie, no club blameless but certainly some clubs seem to be given a lot more leniency than other's. Either deal with it properly or as you rightly say, give everyone the green light and let the strongest survive!!! Some Craic then.

Don't get me wrong. I agree there should be sanctions. But you get lads on here mouthing about rows yet their own clubs are at it flat out. Especially a couple from Castlewellan who have done some serious mouthing in the past on here yet their own club are involved as much as any other. It's the hypocrisy that sickens me. I am not advocating rows, although if I am totally honest I do enjoy watching a good scrap on the football field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 03, 2015, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 09:21:30 PM
Ffs wise up. It happens up and down the country. Rows have been part and parcel of football for as long as I can remember. Pontificating hypocritical ass holes the lot of ye.can anyone put their hand up and say they are their club have never been involved in a row at a match. Try going to a few tyrone club games and you rill see what a proper fight is.

Good lad yerself Charlie, don't be making a dick of yourself making very broad comments.  Same clubs, same rows. One off bust ups are acceptable but when it becomes regular with the same clubs concerned then it becomes a problem. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 09:50:45 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 03, 2015, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 09:21:30 PM
Ffs wise up. It happens up and down the country. Rows have been part and parcel of football for as long as I can remember. Pontificating hypocritical ass holes the lot of ye.can anyone put their hand up and say they are their club have never been involved in a row at a match. Try going to a few tyrone club games and you rill see what a proper fight is.

Good lad yerself Charlie, don't be making a dick of yourself making very broad comments.  Same clubs, same rows. One off bust ups are acceptable but when it becomes regular with the same clubs concerned then it becomes a problem.

What have I said that isn't true?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 03, 2015, 09:54:24 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 09:50:45 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 03, 2015, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 09:21:30 PM
Ffs wise up. It happens up and down the country. Rows have been part and parcel of football for as long as I can remember. Pontificating hypocritical ass holes the lot of ye.can anyone put their hand up and say they are their club have never been involved in a row at a match. Try going to a few tyrone club games and you rill see what a proper fight is.

Good lad yerself Charlie, don't be making a dick of yourself making very broad comments.  Same clubs, same rows. One off bust ups are acceptable but when it becomes regular with the same clubs concerned then it becomes a problem.

What have I said that isn't true?

I ain't no ass hole.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 03, 2015, 09:56:41 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 03, 2015, 09:54:24 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 09:50:45 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 03, 2015, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 09:21:30 PM
Ffs wise up. It happens up and down the country. Rows have been part and parcel of football for as long as I can remember. Pontificating hypocritical ass holes the lot of ye.can anyone put their hand up and say they are their club have never been involved in a row at a match. Try going to a few tyrone club games and you rill see what a proper fight is.

Good lad yerself Charlie, don't be making a dick of yourself making very broad comments.  Same clubs, same rows. One off bust ups are acceptable but when it becomes regular with the same clubs concerned then it becomes a problem.

What have I said that isn't true?

I ain't no ass hole.
Pontificate, yes surely lol.

Just thinking on the ass hole bit, you were probably right. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 09:59:20 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 03, 2015, 09:56:41 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 03, 2015, 09:54:24 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 09:50:45 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 03, 2015, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 09:21:30 PM
Ffs wise up. It happens up and down the country. Rows have been part and parcel of football for as long as I can remember. Pontificating hypocritical ass holes the lot of ye.can anyone put their hand up and say they are their club have never been involved in a row at a match. Try going to a few tyrone club games and you rill see what a proper fight is.

Good lad yerself Charlie, don't be making a dick of yourself making very broad comments.  Same clubs, same rows. One off bust ups are acceptable but when it becomes regular with the same clubs concerned then it becomes a problem.

What have I said that isn't true?

I ain't no ass hole.
Pontificate, yes surely lol.

Just thinking on the ass hole bit, you were probably right.

Ok. I apologise for that. Wasn't meaning to single you out personally.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 03, 2015, 10:39:18 PM
Personally I'd be interested to learn which clubs in Down haven't been involved in some sort of melee this season. Most of these incidents are shushed up by the clubs involved, but my memory of the first 3 weeks of this season was a series of kicking matches - across the divisions.

The main reasons for this upsurge in violence, in no particular order are:

- Social media. Actually this isn't strictly true. The violence has always been there, it's just that with Twitter and Facebook, what used to be rumours are now written down as statements of fact, for all the world to see.

- The utterly daft decision to move suspensions to a per game basis rather than a duration basis. A 3-month ban including the Championship was the single greatest deterrent to flying heads, feet and hurls in league football. Now it's gone.

- Down football has finally got aggressive and hard hitting. Hard hitting will always raise the temperatures a little, while it would seem that a lot of our spectators just aren't ready for the change; they see every tackle on their team as some form of GBH, when 9 times out of 10 it's just men being manly.

- the unwillingness of the GAA to empower referees to red card the third (and subsequent) man into a fight means that group hugs and handbags now occur in just about every competitive match. A lot of players seems to enjoy the faux battledom of midfield gun measuring.

- as football gets more aggressive, it becomes an increasingly less attractive pastime for passive people, or in other words, "muck savagery" becomes an acceptable aspect of the game for all players. Tyrone went through this transmogrification years ago.

- The unusually large number of teams getting relegated this season has made every single point worth fighting for. Literally.


So all told, I wouldn't particularly make this a county board problem.... even if they've not not handled the whole brawling thing particularly well this year. Instead of fining Glenn £5k (an extraordinary sum of money for a small club) they should have fined them £100m and just moved straight onto what they'd do when Glenn didn't pay. How they handle the scenes between Mayobridge (one of our most influential and important clubs) and Kilcoo (our most likely representatives in Ulster) will be interesting, for if high-profile, fully-witnessed incidents don't get hit with the heavy book, then let's be honest, a referee's report from a Division 3 match cannot surely hold more weight in terms of delivering fines and suspension.

My greater worry for the county board would be the number of no shows in recent league and championship games. It's approaching epidemic levels and when clubs that can field thirds sides are unwilling to fulfil a senior fixture, it would suggest a genuine contempt is building within the county for how our games are administered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 03, 2015, 10:57:35 PM
Don't take this personally Ballyholland lads but when I asked 5sams a while back about some of the behaviour of his players it was a very interesting response. He didn't condemn it, rather was proud of it and was of the opinion that it was the approach needed in order to compete and get respect from "the big boys".  If this is the attitude across the board within the Ballyholland club then no wonder they are getting into so many rows.

Initially I thought this was an approach developed by their senior manager but then I seen some of their behaviour at underage level and it looks like its a development throughout the club.

Wobbler your asking what clubs haven't been involved in rows, I could tell you plenty but instead should you not be looking within your club and get your own house in order.  This argument about being hard hitting and aggressive is also pie in the sky. 3 or 4 John Rambos walking about the field doesn't constitute aggressive hard hitting football.

Charlie if you want to see a good skitting match maybe go to Tyrone club matches or maybe to some local MMA events.  Most of us go to football matches to see just that, football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 03, 2015, 11:12:44 PM
No actually WGM, I do need you to name the "innocent" clubs, because I don't believe any exist. But I do believe that some clubs generate reputations which mean a) other clubs come to them looking for a row (or at least are pumped up for physical battle moreso than normal), and b) if anything kicks off, the looks are generally cast in only one direction.

Personally I'd prefer if my own club didn't have this reputation, but having seen roughly half our game this year, it's actually undeserved. For example we've played 4 SFC matches this year, and apart from one (completely uncharacteristic, from that particular player) swing against Castlewellan, there has hardly been a controversial incident across those games.

You are welcome to have theories and opinions all you like, but if it washes out as Ballyholland being a club that will do anything including beating their own grannies to win a league match, but are happy to just play ball in the championship, then you'll need to excuse me while I go outside and laugh my bollocks off.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 11:31:05 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 03, 2015, 10:57:35 PM
Don't take this personally Ballyholland lads but when I asked 5sams a while back about some of the behaviour of his players it was a very interesting response. He didn't condemn it, rather was proud of it and was of the opinion that it was the approach needed in order to compete and get respect from "the big boys".  If this is the attitude across the board within the Ballyholland club then no wonder they are getting into so many rows.

Initially I thought this was an approach developed by their senior manager but then I seen some of their behaviour at underage level and it looks like its a development throughout the club.

Wobbler your asking what clubs haven't been involved in rows, I could tell you plenty but instead should you not be looking within your club and get your own house in order.  This argument about being hard hitting and aggressive is also pie in the sky. 3 or 4 John Rambos walking about the field doesn't constitute aggressive hard hitting football.

Charlie if you want to see a good skitting match maybe go to Tyrone club matches or maybe to some local MMA events.  Most of us go to football matches to see just that, football.

Plenty of your own clubs supporters could join me going by their behaviour in the quater final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 03, 2015, 11:36:25 PM
Oh right clubs now come to Ballyholland looking a row.  You wouldnt be a relative of Jose Mourinho by any chance????  I know when Burren went to Ballyholland they certainly weren't looking a row.  I don't think it would inaccurate to suggest that Castlewellan would want to avoid any scurmishes today with a championship final next week.

You may be in a position to correct me but I haven't heard of Warrenpoint, Clonduff or Lonstone being involved in any brawls this year.  If I'm wrong on that I'd like to know the details and il gladly accept it.

Wobbler it's often the case that a problem can't be solved until you admit there is a problem.  You say you'd prefer if your club didn't have a reputation and deem it unfair.  Why do you think it's the case that your club has such reputation.  It's not like Ballyholland are Kilcoo and there would be jealousy amongst other clubs.  In fact your club "used" to be a well liked club.  It's like there is an us against the world mentality when in reality why would the world feel the need to be against yas??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 03, 2015, 11:37:37 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 11:31:05 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 03, 2015, 10:57:35 PM
Don't take this personally Ballyholland lads but when I asked 5sams a while back about some of the behaviour of his players it was a very interesting response. He didn't condemn it, rather was proud of it and was of the opinion that it was the approach needed in order to compete and get respect from "the big boys".  If this is the attitude across the board within the Ballyholland club then no wonder they are getting into so many rows.

Initially I thought this was an approach developed by their senior manager but then I seen some of their behaviour at underage level and it looks like its a development throughout the club.

Wobbler your asking what clubs haven't been involved in rows, I could tell you plenty but instead should you not be looking within your club and get your own house in order.  This argument about being hard hitting and aggressive is also pie in the sky. 3 or 4 John Rambos walking about the field doesn't constitute aggressive hard hitting football.

Charlie if you want to see a good skitting match maybe go to Tyrone club matches or maybe to some local MMA events.  Most of us go to football matches to see just that, football.

Plenty of your own clubs supporters could join me going by their behaviour in the quater final.

Well pick them up on your way to Tyrone then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 04, 2015, 08:31:04 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 03, 2015, 11:37:37 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 11:31:05 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 03, 2015, 10:57:35 PM
Don't take this personally Ballyholland lads but when I asked 5sams a while back about some of the behaviour of his players it was a very interesting response. He didn't condemn it, rather was proud of it and was of the opinion that it was the approach needed in order to compete and get respect from "the big boys".  If this is the attitude across the board within the Ballyholland club then no wonder they are getting into so many rows.

Initially I thought this was an approach developed by their senior manager but then I seen some of their behaviour at underage level and it looks like its a development throughout the club.

Wobbler your asking what clubs haven't been involved in rows, I could tell you plenty but instead should you not be looking within your club and get your own house in order.  This argument about being hard hitting and aggressive is also pie in the sky. 3 or 4 John Rambos walking about the field doesn't constitute aggressive hard hitting football.

Charlie if you want to see a good skitting match maybe go to Tyrone club matches or maybe to some local MMA events.  Most of us go to football matches to see just that, football.

Plenty of your own clubs supporters could join me going by their behaviour in the quater final.

Well pick them up on your way to Tyrone then

no bother, you stick to poaching players from neighbouring parishes. fair play to Ballyholland for not rolling over for the mighty Burren. now away and work out how ye can beat kilcoo in the next 5 years. chokers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 04, 2015, 09:01:49 AM
I think too be honest it's a bit rich from you WGM to criticise the behaviour of the Harps underage mentors when more than likely you have only seen a handful of their games I would guess. And if it's the same underage games that I myself attended this year you really need to take a good luck at how the mighty Burren mentors were also behaving that day  This is a common trait at all Burren underage games where there is men dotted all over the field to intimidate both the opposition players and the referee. I am not condoning the behaviour of the Harps senior teams behaviour but I know a lot of good work is going in at underage and yes you may also have an ejit that can get you in trouble but don't cloud your judgement on whatever you saw or heard take a look around at the rests carry on also. Pot calling the kettle black !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on October 04, 2015, 09:02:25 AM
Any Mayobridge posters know why they failed to field yesterday?Honest question not trying to annoy anyone I thought they had a outside change of getting into third place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 04, 2015, 09:05:38 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 04, 2015, 08:31:04 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 03, 2015, 11:37:37 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 03, 2015, 11:31:05 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 03, 2015, 10:57:35 PM
Don't take this personally Ballyholland lads but when I asked 5sams a while back about some of the behaviour of his players it was a very interesting response. He didn't condemn it, rather was proud of it and was of the opinion that it was the approach needed in order to compete and get respect from "the big boys".  If this is the attitude across the board within the Ballyholland club then no wonder they are getting into so many rows.

Initially I thought this was an approach developed by their senior manager but then I seen some of their behaviour at underage level and it looks like its a development throughout the club.

Wobbler your asking what clubs haven't been involved in rows, I could tell you plenty but instead should you not be looking within your club and get your own house in order.  This argument about being hard hitting and aggressive is also pie in the sky. 3 or 4 John Rambos walking about the field doesn't constitute aggressive hard hitting football.

Charlie if you want to see a good skitting match maybe go to Tyrone club matches or maybe to some local MMA events.  Most of us go to football matches to see just that, football.

Plenty of your own clubs supporters could join me going by their behaviour in the quater final.

Well pick them up on your way to Tyrone then

no bother, you stick to poaching players from neighbouring parishes. fair play to Ballyholland for not rolling over for the mighty Burren. now away and work out how ye can beat kilcoo in the next 5 years. chokers.

Lets all bow down to the mighty championship haul of Charlie Tully and his illustrious club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on October 04, 2015, 09:07:08 AM
The row in Castlewellan had nothing to do with Ballyholland not taking being bullied any more- it was because their no 8 (who I won't name on here) punched a Town player and then as he knew the ref saw it and he was getting a red,  got completely stuck in.  He was an embarrassment to his club.
That is the first big row I can remember the Town being involved in for several seasons and I hope it it several more before they are involved in another one.  Several young children were caught up in the row and had to be taken to the changing rooms to get away from it as they were terrified. Anyone who thinks these rows are in any way acceptable needs to have a long, hard fukin look at themselves. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 04, 2015, 10:16:30 AM
Line Ball, such an appalling rant. Now that you're sober, can you try explaining:

- the "many" unsavoury incidents involving Ballyholland this year. You mentioned Glenn, now let's have the rest.

- "obviously instigated by management". How? Seriously, back this statement up with something other than conjecture, or else stop being a mouth piece. Setting a team up to be difficult to beat us not the same thing as demanding a row.


WGM a couple of weeks after Burren beat us, CPN came to Ballyholland and gave us the runaround. There were no melees, no off the ball incidents, no stand offs - an no goalkeepers running 40 yards to clip one of our players. I'm not Mourinho esque in my opinions, not even close. But some clubs choose to try to break down our defensive structures with aggressive play, and some do not. The unsavoury matches tend to be in the former group.

Town Gael, it takes more than one man to start a fight, let alone a melee. If it's only person, it's a beating. Time to your horse called righteousness and put him back in the stalls.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 04, 2015, 10:32:59 AM
U usually like to have the last word on these things so il leave you to it.  You still haven't told me about the numourous brawls involving the clubs I mentioned.  If you are happy with the behaviour of your club this year so be it.

Charlie good lad, go and get that usual stick and beat me with it.  Whenever you get an original one il take you a bit more seriously.

This place is getting worse....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GreenGiant on October 04, 2015, 10:48:00 AM
The county board need to come down on the bridge and kilcoo for their antics last weekend.  Imposing an eye-watering 5k fine on Glenn for a scrap earlier on in the year so let's just see how much they fine the two 'heavyweights'!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GreenGiant on October 04, 2015, 10:54:11 AM
Rumour has it Michael Murtagh will be moving into the Glenn senior management team next year - this is on the back of Glenn's reserve team performances (he is also a karate black belt if it kicks off again anytime next season)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 04, 2015, 10:57:36 AM
I would agree with wobbler, I don't believe there is a club in Down that haven't been involved in a melee. These are regular events , and have proven difficult to prevent and police . Don't underestimate the psychological influence of the group mentality. Do we really expect a team of lifelong mates (that has trained together  all year , and are riled up by prematch team talks and huddles) , to stand idly by when one of their own are targeted. It's a natural reaction to try to protect your teammate and defend your teams honour. In reality , most of these melees , amount to pushing and pulling, with very few punches being thrown, as players probably realise that a punch is quite likely to be spotted in this environment. The difficulty is that these melees reflect badly on our sport, not least because in most cases , they are grossly exaggerated, ("all hell broke loose", " never seen anything like it") . Wobbler has highlighted the reasons why these appear to be on the increase, and I think the single biggest factor , is the change from time to match suspensions.
I can't comment on Ballyholland this year because I haven't seen them play, but I think no club is whiter than white.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on October 04, 2015, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 04, 2015, 10:16:30 AM
Town Gael, it takes more than one man to start a fight, let alone a melee. If it's only person, it's a beating. Time to your horse called righteousness and put him back in the stalls.
You obviously didn't see Shane O'Hare work his magic v Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 04, 2015, 01:12:15 PM
a monumental amount of shite posted on here in the last day. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 04, 2015, 01:27:20 PM
Was anyone actually at the game yesterday and can report what happened? Surely it couldn't have been worse than what went on in Newry last week!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on October 04, 2015, 02:04:28 PM
I was at the game last night and after 20 mins the 2 number eights went for a ball the Ballyholland 8 fouled the Castlewellan player and held on to him so he couldn't hit a quick free the Castlewellan player through a arm back and the Ballyholland player reacted and swung a couple of punches at him when they a lot off players got involved after it had calmed down a bit the Ballyholland player took another go at a Castlewellan player the ref then sent.both players off and warned them that eny more off that the game would be abandoned after this their wasn't a bad tackle in the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 04, 2015, 08:38:20 PM
I heard today the proposed changes to the underage structure for next year have been abandoned and rather than U13, U15, U17 & U19 which they had planned, the ages will not change and will remain as they always have been. Anyone else hear this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 04, 2015, 08:53:54 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 04, 2015, 08:38:20 PM
I heard today the proposed changes to the underage structure for next year have been abandoned and rather than U13, U15, U17 & U19 which they had planned, the ages will not change and will remain as they always have been. Anyone else hear this?
Think they are going to have another vote on it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 04, 2015, 08:57:01 PM
Brilliant result for Rostrevor's miners, congratulations to players and management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 04, 2015, 09:01:53 PM
Quote from: umpire on October 04, 2015, 08:57:01 PM
Brilliant result for Rostrevor's miners, congratulations to players and management.

Did they find gold? Or was it just something minor?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on October 04, 2015, 11:57:58 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 04, 2015, 08:53:54 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 04, 2015, 08:38:20 PM
I heard today the proposed changes to the underage structure for next year have been abandoned and rather than U13, U15, U17 & U19 which they had planned, the ages will not change and will remain as they always have been. Anyone else hear this?
Think they are going to have another vote on it.

hope it does not change. it will not bode well for Down football which is already in a precarious state

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 05, 2015, 09:28:18 AM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on October 04, 2015, 11:57:58 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 04, 2015, 08:53:54 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 04, 2015, 08:38:20 PM
I heard today the proposed changes to the underage structure for next year have been abandoned and rather than U13, U15, U17 & U19 which they had planned, the ages will not change and will remain as they always have been. Anyone else hear this?
Think they are going to have another vote on it.

hope it does not change. it will not bode well for Down football which is already in a precarious state

Heard that at an underage blitz at the weekend.

Bit late for changing tack now, although the issue highlighted to me, the big gap between P6 and U13 would be easily remedied by moving P6 to P7, P4 to P5 and so on!

I'd have more concerns as we play a lot of underage hurling in Belfast (and if the fixtures don't improve next year, we'll be playing a lot more) we'd be playing the traditional age groups one week and then the new ones the next.

Plus, how do we decide who represents the county at inter provincial club tournaments like Ulster minor, Feile and whatever else?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 05, 2015, 10:41:09 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 05, 2015, 09:28:18 AM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on October 04, 2015, 11:57:58 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 04, 2015, 08:53:54 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 04, 2015, 08:38:20 PM
I heard today the proposed changes to the underage structure for next year have been abandoned and rather than U13, U15, U17 & U19 which they had planned, the ages will not change and will remain as they always have been. Anyone else hear this?
Think they are going to have another vote on it.

hope it does not change. it will not bode well for Down football which is already in a precarious state

Heard that at an underage blitz at the weekend.

Bit late for changing tack now, although the issue highlighted to me, the big gap between P6 and U13 would be easily remedied by moving P6 to P7, P4 to P5 and so on!

I'd have more concerns as we play a lot of underage hurling in Belfast (and if the fixtures don't improve next year, we'll be playing a lot more) we'd be playing the traditional age groups one week and then the new ones the next.

Plus, how do we decide who represents the county at inter provincial club tournaments like Ulster minor, Feile and whatever else?
Ill conceived notion of partaking in a Croke Park initiative.Down have now thought about it and will hopefully retain the status quo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 05, 2015, 12:20:11 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 05, 2015, 10:41:09 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 05, 2015, 09:28:18 AM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on October 04, 2015, 11:57:58 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 04, 2015, 08:53:54 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 04, 2015, 08:38:20 PM
I heard today the proposed changes to the underage structure for next year have been abandoned and rather than U13, U15, U17 & U19 which they had planned, the ages will not change and will remain as they always have been. Anyone else hear this?
Think they are going to have another vote on it.

hope it does not change. it will not bode well for Down football which is already in a precarious state

Heard that at an underage blitz at the weekend.

Bit late for changing tack now, although the issue highlighted to me, the big gap between P6 and U13 would be easily remedied by moving P6 to P7, P4 to P5 and so on!

I'd have more concerns as we play a lot of underage hurling in Belfast (and if the fixtures don't improve next year, we'll be playing a lot more) we'd be playing the traditional age groups one week and then the new ones the next.

Plus, how do we decide who represents the county at inter provincial club tournaments like Ulster minor, Feile and whatever else?
Ill conceived notion of partaking in a Croke Park initiative.Down have now thought about it and will hopefully retain the status quo.

We saw the money and jumped head first. Now in the cold light of day the implications of being a guinea pig are potentially being realised, but I can see us keeping the crux of the initiative staying with some fine tuning.

Cork took up the offer (€€€€) as well, so we should see how they propose to roll it out in that huge county!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 05, 2015, 02:41:52 PM
Cork have already pulled out of it. That shows us what they thought of it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 05, 2015, 03:13:01 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on October 05, 2015, 02:41:52 PM
Cork have already pulled out of it. That shows us what they thought of it

Didn't know that, did they give any reasons?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 05, 2015, 03:16:55 PM
They had concerns about it and must of changed their mind. I would say that's why it had now surfaced in Down because if Cork have problems so could we.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 06, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Just heard Martin McHugh and Mark Copeland have taken over UUJ sigerson team. Has Barney McAleenan stepped down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 06, 2015, 02:32:43 PM
So Barney and Mark are taking them but Barney is stepping down :o

Anyone else heard that Tony McEntee and Gareth O Neill might be back on for the senior job?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 06, 2015, 02:35:18 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 06, 2015, 02:32:43 PM
So Barney and Mark are taking them but Barney is stepping down :o

Anyone else heard that Tony McEntee and Gareth O Neill might be back on for the senior job?

😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 06, 2015, 02:54:41 PM
Ahh the magic of the edit button...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on October 06, 2015, 03:49:25 PM
yeh I read it on here somewhere  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on October 06, 2015, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 06, 2015, 02:32:43 PM
So Barney and Mark are taking them but Barney is stepping down :o

Anyone else heard that Tony McEntee and Gareth O Neill might be back on for the senior job?

McHugh joining current UUJ management team they said and his son Ryan playing for them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 07, 2015, 01:39:01 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 06, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Just heard Martin McHugh and Mark Copeland have taken over UUJ sigerson team. Has Barney McAleenan stepped down?

Not according to the newspaper today

Martin McHugh has been added to the Jordanstown management team.

The 1992 All-Ireland winner joins Barney McAleenan, Benny Hurl, Paul Rouse and Barry Dillon at the helm and one of the players who'll be at his disposal for the year is his own son Ryan.

According to the third-level college: "Ulster University GAA club are pleased to announce the addition of Martin McHugh to the senior football management team for the forthcoming season.

"Martin will assist the existing management team of Barney McAleenan, Benny Hurl, Paul Rouse and Barry Dillon as we prepare for the upcoming Ryan Cup, McKenna Cup and Sigerson Cup campaigns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 07, 2015, 05:45:11 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 07, 2015, 01:39:01 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 06, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Just heard Martin McHugh and Mark Copeland have taken over UUJ sigerson team. Has Barney McAleenan stepped down?

Not according to the newspaper today

Martin McHugh has been added to the Jordanstown management team.

The 1992 All-Ireland winner joins Barney McAleenan, Benny Hurl, Paul Rouse and Barry Dillon at the helm and one of the players who'll be at his disposal for the year is his own son Ryan.

According to the third-level college: "Ulster University GAA club are pleased to announce the addition of Martin McHugh to the senior football management team for the forthcoming season.

"Martin will assist the existing management team of Barney McAleenan, Benny Hurl, Paul Rouse and Barry Dillon as we prepare for the upcoming Ryan Cup, McKenna Cup and Sigerson Cup campaigns.
and this is what to do with Down GAA?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 07, 2015, 06:21:46 PM
tony mcentee is supposedly set to be the new down manager, anyone else hear this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on October 07, 2015, 06:36:21 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 07, 2015, 06:21:46 PM
tony mcentee is supposedly set to be the new down manager, anyone else hear this?
We must have found a crock of gold at the end of the rainbow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 08, 2015, 10:05:28 AM
Quote from: The Raven on October 07, 2015, 06:36:21 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 07, 2015, 06:21:46 PM
tony mcentee is supposedly set to be the new down manager, anyone else hear this?
We must have found a crock of gold at the end of the rainbow
The Rostrevor Miners must have found this gold and given us a new lease of financial life.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on October 08, 2015, 10:10:20 AM
I was at both semi-finals and the minor final and Division 2 final over the last 2 weeks and barely noticed any of the incidents reported as serious, except for the one flair up - Sorry to hear it bothered some kids - I didn't see much wrong with any of the on field tackling and physicality - Barney was still with Jordanstown when I sat beside him at Sunday's games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 08, 2015, 09:24:22 PM
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but heard a rumour tonight that the back up to McEntee is POR and it doesnt look like McEntee wants it so...........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on October 09, 2015, 04:56:13 PM
Heard that it is McEntee
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 09, 2015, 05:39:44 PM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on October 09, 2015, 04:56:13 PM
Heard that it is McEntee
Heard it wasn't. ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 10, 2015, 05:21:02 PM
Bryansford 1.9 - 0-9 Ballyholland
Longstone 2-13 - 0-14 Loughinisland

Another potential league title for Dawson but can't see him being kept on after the shambles v Liatroim in the championship.

Bit unfair on Loughinisland asking them to play with an Ulster championship game next weekend and it probably cost them promotion.  If the likes of Kilcoo were in the same position, they wouldn't be playing a week before playing in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 10, 2015, 07:51:48 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 10, 2015, 05:21:02 PM
Bryansford 1.9 - 0-9 Ballyholland
Longstone 2-13 - 0-14 Loughinisland

Another potential league title for Dawson but can't see him being kept on after the shambles v Liatroim in the championship.

Bit unfair on Loughinisland asking them to play with an Ulster championship game next weekend and it probably cost them promotion.  If the likes of Kilcoo were in the same position, they wouldn't be playing a week before playing in Ulster.
They could be involved in Ulster until December hopefully.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on October 10, 2015, 08:02:06 PM
Longstone the better team today although stupidty cost loughinisland as the had a player lined for a second yellow for throwing ball off opponents face

you cant win games with less than your full compliment of players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 10, 2015, 08:05:35 PM
Harps battered Bryansford in the 2nd half. Hit the cross bar twice and a wee bit of complacency in front of goal cost them. Ford scored once in the 2nd half. Fcuk it it was a great season. Thon Dawson's a p***k btw. And hot of the presses Wee James has the minor job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on October 10, 2015, 10:12:59 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 10, 2015, 07:51:48 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 10, 2015, 05:21:02 PM
Bryansford 1.9 - 0-9 Ballyholland
Longstone 2-13 - 0-14 Loughinisland

Another potential league title for Dawson but can't see him being kept on after the shambles v Liatroim in the championship.

Bit unfair on Loughinisland asking them to play with an Ulster championship game next weekend and it probably cost them promotion.  If the likes of Kilcoo were in the same position, they wouldn't be playing a week before playing in Ulster.
They could be involved in Ulster until December hopefully.

Before anyone can speak of Ulster there's a county final to win, yes Kilcoo came through the hard side of the draw but the town is the most improved team I've seen all year and were scoring for fun against their opponents, we've never had an easy game with them.
Well done to Kilcoo U-14s today on winning the county championship and good luck to the seniors. #UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 10, 2015, 10:21:31 PM
Quote from: Oglach on October 10, 2015, 10:12:59 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 10, 2015, 07:51:48 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 10, 2015, 05:21:02 PM
Bryansford 1.9 - 0-9 Ballyholland
Longstone 2-13 - 0-14 Loughinisland

Another potential league title for Dawson but can't see him being kept on after the shambles v Liatroim in the championship.

Bit unfair on Loughinisland asking them to play with an Ulster championship game next weekend and it probably cost them promotion.  If the likes of Kilcoo were in the same position, they wouldn't be playing a week before playing in Ulster.
They could be involved in Ulster until December hopefully.

Before anyone can speak of Ulster there's a county final to win, yes Kilcoo came through the hard side of the draw but the town is the most improved team I've seen all year and were scoring for fun against their opponents, we've never had an easy game with them.
Well done to Kilcoo U-14s today on winning the county championship and good luck to the seniors. #UTM


The comments about being involved in Ulster were about Loughinisland not Kilcoo.  Can't see Kilcoo having too much bother tomorrow and should win by 6/8 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 10, 2015, 11:52:35 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 10, 2015, 05:21:02 PM
Bryansford 1.9 - 0-9 Ballyholland
Longstone 2-13 - 0-14 Loughinisland

Another potential league title for Dawson but can't see him being kept on after the shambles v Liatroim in the championship.

Bit unfair on Loughinisland asking them to play with an Ulster championship game next weekend and it probably cost them promotion.  If the likes of Kilcoo were in the same position, they wouldn't be playing a week before playing in Ulster.

Why? Ridiculous thing to say. They play games every week all season but it's unfair now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 11, 2015, 12:17:24 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 10, 2015, 11:52:35 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 10, 2015, 05:21:02 PM
Bryansford 1.9 - 0-9 Ballyholland
Longstone 2-13 - 0-14 Loughinisland

Another potential league title for Dawson but can't see him being kept on after the shambles v Liatroim in the championship.

Bit unfair on Loughinisland asking them to play with an Ulster championship game next weekend and it probably cost them promotion.  If the likes of Kilcoo were in the same position, they wouldn't be playing a week before playing in Ulster.

Why? Ridiculous thing to say. They play games every week all season but it's unfair now?

Found that statement baffling as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 11, 2015, 09:57:40 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 10, 2015, 08:05:35 PM
Harps battered Bryansford in the 2nd half. Hit the cross bar twice and a wee bit of complacency in front of goal cost them. Ford scored once in the 2nd half. Fcuk it it was a great season. Thon Dawson's a p***k btw. And hot of the presses Wee James has the minor job.
5 SAMs, rumour or what on this news?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on October 11, 2015, 10:17:18 AM
Here are the down NFL fixtures I know so far:

30th January - Donegal (away)
6th March - Roscommon (away)
12th March - Dublin (home)
3rd April - Mayo (away)

can anyone fill in the missing dates against Monaghan, Cork & Kerry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on October 11, 2015, 11:43:26 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 10, 2015, 08:05:35 PM
Harps battered Bryansford in the 2nd half. Hit the cross bar twice and a wee bit of complacency in front of goal cost them. Ford scored once in the 2nd half. Fcuk it it was a great season. Thon Dawson's a p***k btw. And hot of the presses Wee James has the minor job.

You failed to mention Bryansford "battered" Harps in the first half.....job done.
The only p***k in Hilltown yesterday was the one running about waving imaginary cards at every foul and continuously making a complete c**t of himself and your club.
You also will be glad to hear young devlins jaw isn't broke just a lot of dental work required. Maybe next time.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 11, 2015, 11:44:55 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 11, 2015, 12:17:24 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 10, 2015, 11:52:35 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 10, 2015, 05:21:02 PM
Bryansford 1.9 - 0-9 Ballyholland
Longstone 2-13 - 0-14 Loughinisland

Another potential league title for Dawson but can't see him being kept on after the shambles v Liatroim in the championship.

Bit unfair on Loughinisland asking them to play with an Ulster championship game next weekend and it probably cost them promotion.  If the likes of Kilcoo were in the same position, they wouldn't be playing a week before playing in Ulster.

Why? Ridiculous thing to say. They play games every week all season but it's unfair now?

Found that statement baffling as well.
For years now the league playoffs have been held up because our county champions have refused to complete the league until they are finished in Ulster.  Why make a difference between the top clubs in Div 1 and the Div 2 champions. I agree that generally they play most weekends during the season but with the chance of  Ulster glory surely they should have been shown the same leniency as other clubs have in the past.

For the first time in years the leagues will be finished within a sensible timeframe but it will be interesting when they will start for 2016 as I believe the county board have plans to get them going in March but can't really see this happening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on October 11, 2015, 02:29:30 PM
The leagues are down to start weekend after st Patrick day !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 11, 2015, 05:50:42 PM
Quote from: super reds 99 on October 11, 2015, 02:29:30 PM
The leagues are down to start weekend after st Patrick day !
Where does it say when they are down to start then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 11, 2015, 06:50:21 PM
well done to kilcoo, well deserved winners. thought ryan johnson and paul greenan were superb all game. castlewellan will be disappointed as they never really showed up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 11, 2015, 06:53:50 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 11, 2015, 11:44:55 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 11, 2015, 12:17:24 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 10, 2015, 11:52:35 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 10, 2015, 05:21:02 PM
Bryansford 1.9 - 0-9 Ballyholland
Longstone 2-13 - 0-14 Loughinisland

Another potential league title for Dawson but can't see him being kept on after the shambles v Liatroim in the championship.

Bit unfair on Loughinisland asking them to play with an Ulster championship game next weekend and it probably cost them promotion.  If the likes of Kilcoo were in the same position, they wouldn't be playing a week before playing in Ulster.

Why? Ridiculous thing to say. They play games every week all season but it's unfair now?

Found that statement baffling as well.
For years now the league playoffs have been held up because our county champions have refused to complete the league until they are finished in Ulster.  Why make a difference between the top clubs in Div 1 and the Div 2 champions. I agree that generally they play most weekends during the season but with the chance of  Ulster glory surely they should have been shown the same leniency as other clubs have in the past.

For the first time in years the leagues will be finished within a sensible timeframe but it will be interesting when they will start for 2016 as I believe the county board have plans to get them going in March but can't really see this happening.

Good point, you are spot on, no difference should be made. Didn't realise Loughinisland had requested the game be delayed till after Ulster and had it turned down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 11, 2015, 07:05:51 PM
longstone wernt to keen to play the.game either as one of their players was getting married yesterday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on October 11, 2015, 08:20:44 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 11, 2015, 06:50:21 PM
well done to kilcoo, well deserved winners. thought ryan johnson and paul greenan were superb all game. castlewellan will be disappointed as they never really showed up.

4 in a row and now the most county titles,afaik,

well done indeed and good luck in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 11, 2015, 08:25:28 PM
Well done Kilcoo, streets ahead of the rest of Down. Sheedy is correct to pick out Greenan and Ryan but Aaron and Daryl Brannigan were superb. Not sure who got mom but Greenan for me. Connaire and Shane Harrison the other quality players on show today. Good organisation by County Board again but can you sort out the PA(4th year in a row)?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 12, 2015, 09:46:16 AM
Result yesterday never really in doubt after the first goal went in. Castlewellan didn't make the most of their purple patch at the start and seemed very slow when they got frees around the middle. If they had have been switched on there were a few times when the two castlewellan full forwards were in acres of space looking for the ball but by the time they hit the free kilcoo had men back in numbers. Think they also had a goal chance which would have brought it back to 2 points early in the second half?

Well done to kilcoo, best team in the championship this year. There's a certain arrogance about them when they play and they look so assured of themselves when carrying the ball out of defence. Never seem to panic, even when 8 points down against Burren. Best of luck in Ulster.

On the Loughinisland Longstone game, complete farce that this game wasn't rescheduled when both teams requested it to be moved. As another poster said, there should be no difference made between Div1 and Div2 teams playing in Ulster. Did the league final not get postponed to December one year due to Mayobridge involvement in Ulster?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on October 12, 2015, 10:58:32 AM
Not much credit on here for the magpies unsurprisingly. People can throw what they like at us but the quality and spirit we have always comes to the fore. What a team. The pursuit for excellence won't let up. #UTM #14times #4inarow #5in7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 12, 2015, 11:45:46 AM
Big achievement for Kilcoo winning four in a row yesterday. They are the outstanding example in our county of a blueprint to follow for their overall approach to how a GAA club should operate.

I remember in 09 it was almost like a fairy tale story for Kilcoo, every one was wanting them to win the championship after ending Mayobridge's attempt to go for 6 in a row in game played in a flooded Clonduff. Now I agree with Mid Down Gael that there is jealousy growing towards to Kilcoo from a lot of clubs around the county. Hard luck to Castlewellan maybe the occasion got to them a bit?

Good luck to all our representatives in Ulster, I think they are all in a fairly strong position to have a good rattle at it and hopefully bring an Ulster title back to Down. It would be a big boost for the county and the new senior management team when they are in place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 12, 2015, 12:00:30 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 12, 2015, 10:58:32 AM
Not much credit on here for the magpies unsurprisingly. People can throw what they like at us but the quality and spirit we have always comes to the fore. What a team. The pursuit for excellence won't let up. #UTM #14times #4inarow #5in7

Thats a bit harsh MDG.. I haven't seen anything to untoward on here about Kilcoo but maybe I missed something..everyone would agree Kilcoo were deserving winners yesterday and were the better team by quite a distance...after beating Burren bar a major upset it was always Kilcoo's to lose in my eyes so credit to them in that they got the job done. Real test however come's now in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 12, 2015, 12:22:23 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 12, 2015, 10:58:32 AM
Not much credit on here for the magpies unsurprisingly. People can throw what they like at us but the quality and spirit we have always comes to the fore. What a team. The pursuit for excellence won't let up. #UTM #14times #4inarow #5in7

Bit of siege mentality there :)
4 in a row is a fantastic achievement. Kilcoo definitely the better side yesterday. The deployment of Greenan at full forward in the first half was a masterstroke. Involved in both goals and Castlewellan obviously were'nt prepared or ready for that.
Jerome Johnston is the best club forward in Down and proved this yesterday with a power packed display. Ryan Johnston, Aaron Branagan, Conor Laverty and Daryl Branagan were also first class.
Castlewellan played in patches and probably lacked the big game players needed to get over the line.
Duffin and Aidan Burns had good showings for the Town while Sean Dornan threatened to burst into life on occasion.
Cryptic move putting Fintan McGreevy and Damien McGrady on in the second half. Two veterans who had just returned to the panel. Some other squad players mightn't have been best pleased.
Aidan Burns denied a clear cut penalty in the 39th minute which could have made it a one point game at that stage.
Kilcoo are set up well now for Ulster and may need some of their more experienced heads involved more.
Glasdrumman comfortable winners in the junior final. They emptied their bench in the last few minutes which allowed Ardglass in for two goals in injury time.
Connaire Harrison absolutely class once again. 2-06 to his name.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 12, 2015, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on October 12, 2015, 10:58:32 AM
Not much credit on here for the magpies unsurprisingly. People can throw what they like at us but the quality and spirit we have always comes to the fore. What a team. The pursuit for excellence won't let up. #UTM #14times #4inarow #5in7

Give us another post later tonight after your tenth pint ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 12, 2015, 04:44:56 PM
Thought Kilcoo have looked very experienced and measured this year. They have real quality both on the field and on the bench, and appear to have further varied their game plan. To be fair MDG , I would take the relative lack of praise on here as a complement- people either don't get excited such is your dominance , or are jealous.  I think Those interested in the long term success of Down football , should look and learn from Kilcoo's template. Recent senior success is merely a manifestation of many years of hard work across all levels . There is a single mindedness and attention to detail , which few other clubs match. I wish them well in Ulster.
Well done also to Glassdrumman , they looked a tidy team yesterday with Connaire Harrison outstanding as usual. They're well capable of a strong ulster campaign. Ardglass had several outstanding performances notably Veteran Eamon McEvoy and Stephen Rooney. They seem a fairly youthful side, and no doubt they'll be back.
Finally re Loughinisland , I think it was unfair on them to be pressed in to a league decider in the midst of their Ulster preparations. I think with the revamping of the leagues for 2016 , CCCC should try to avoid a repeat of this scenario. I would argue that a league reflects a team's  overall standing over the course of a season and promotion should reflect a team's ability to be competitive in the division above for the full league campaign of the following year. The conversion of 16 team to 12 team leagues for next year resulted in an unusual playoff this year, but with leagues now being stabilised for the next 3 years hopefully the playoff v ulster scenario won't recur.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on October 12, 2015, 06:04:37 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 11, 2015, 05:50:42 PM
Quote from: super reds 99 on October 11, 2015, 02:29:30 PM
The leagues are down to start weekend after st Patrick day !
that's whot has been talked about at board level
  Where does it say when they are down to start then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 12, 2015, 06:19:06 PM
Anyone know the make up of Div 1 and 2? Is it 11 in both leagues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on October 12, 2015, 06:27:14 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 12, 2015, 06:19:06 PM
Anyone know the make up of Div 1 and 2? Is it 11 in both leagues.

It is 12 teams in division 1 and I assume division 2 is the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on October 12, 2015, 09:00:26 PM
anyone know how many go down from each division like i know 6 teams have dropped from division 1 to the new division 2 but i dont know after that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 12, 2015, 10:31:49 PM
Interesting that some folks want to give teams a pile of breathing space at this end of the season, with the primary factor being that it used to be that way.

Speaking from my own perspective, I'm a fan of this quick fire end of season. While it might be a bit of a push for the Championship sides to get motivated for the intermingled league matches, it's downright unfair to have the non-Championship sides kicking their heels for weeks on end, with nobody willing or able to play friendlies to keep match skills sharp - especially as their opponents are getting genuinely competitive football during this time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on October 12, 2015, 10:34:57 PM
Leagues for 2016

Division 1
Burren
Bryansford
Ballyholland
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Glenn
CPN
Clonduff
Castlewellan
Saval
Longstone
Ballymartin

Division 2
RGU Downpatrick
Rostrevor
Annaclone
Liatroim
Clann na Banna
Loughinisland
Darragh Cross
Tullylish
Bredagh
An Riocht
Carryduff
St. John's

Division 3
Attical
Drumaness
Bosco
Saul
Dromara
Shamrocks
Kilclief
Drumgath
Glassdrumman
Teconnaught???

Division 4
Everyone else
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 12, 2015, 10:50:19 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 12, 2015, 10:31:49 PM
Interesting that some folks want to give teams a pile of breathing space at this end of the season, with the primary factor being that it used to be that way.

Speaking from my own perspective, I'm a fan of this quick fire end of season. While it might be a bit of a push for the Championship sides to get motivated for the intermingled league matches, it's downright unfair to have the non-Championship sides kicking their heels for weeks on end, with nobody willing or able to play friendlies to keep match skills sharp - especially as their opponents are getting genuinely competitive football during this time.

Agree with this.  Fair enough some clubs may have had a break until the championship was over in previous years but that doesn't mean it was right and going forward this should be the way it should be.

It would still be better if all league games over finished by the the middle of August and you could rattle the championship series off in 6 wks there after.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 12, 2015, 10:53:49 PM
Well done Kilcoo btw, some of the best players in Down to go with the undoubted will to win and team spirit that was always there.  I'd say the current panel of players are the best they have had.  The Johnston brothers and a couple of the Brannigans should be shoe ins for county jerseys next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on October 13, 2015, 01:04:52 AM
Leagues for 2016
44 Teams
22-East Down (D1-3 , D2-7 , D3-5 , D4-7)
22- South Down (D1-9 ,D2-5 ,D3-5 ,D4-3)

Division 1
12 teams (3 East Down & 9 South Down)
Burren
Bryansford
Ballyholland
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Glenn
CPN
Clonduff
Castlewellan
Saval
Longstone
Ballymartin

Division 2
12 teams (7 East Down & 5 South Down)
RGU Downpatrick
Rostrevor
Annaclone
Liatroim
Clann na Banna
Loughinisland
Darragh Cross
Tullylish
Bredagh
An Riocht
Carryduff
St. John's

Division 3
10 teams (5 East Down & 5 South Down)
Attical
Drumaness
Bosco
Saul
Dromara
Shamrocks
Kilclief
Drumgath
Glassdrumman
Teconnaught

Division 4
10 teams (7 East Down & 3 South Down)
Aughlisnafin
Dundrum
Mitchels
Ardglass
St pauls
Bright
St Michaels
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar
Aghaderg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 13, 2015, 12:29:38 PM
There's no doubt that, even after the departure of McCorry, Down are going to rely heavily on Kilcoo, and WGM is right to highlight the Branagans. The two corner backs in particular were exceptional on Sunday and the new management should make every effort to recruit them to the county panel. Greenan has also developed significantly at midfield, and, at 28, is certainly not too old to be given an extended run in a sector where we have struggled in recent seasons.

There is a limit to the number of Kilcoo players who will make the Down starting line-up, but it would be a surprise if Laverty and both Johnstons were not there. Kane will face plenty of competition in goals, and O'Hanlon did not fully convince during his appearances last season. Devlin started every game in 2015 but ultimately disappointed in the championship and would need to improve noticeably if he is to retain his place. He looked short on confidence in the county final but has an opportunity to develop in the Ulster club championship.

The only other obvious candidate from Sunday was Duffin of Castlewellan, who produced a very steady display in a side which was largely outplayed. He has been in and out of Down squads over the years but would be worth considering whenever - and an appointment can surely not be delayed much longer - we get a new manager.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 13, 2015, 12:42:50 PM
What new players if any would folk like to see being given a shout in the coming season with the county squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 13, 2015, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 13, 2015, 12:29:38 PM
There's no doubt that, even after the departure of McCorry, Down are going to rely heavily on Kilcoo, and WGM is right to highlight the Branagans. The two corner backs in particular were exceptional on Sunday and the new management should make every effort to recruit them to the county panel. Greenan has also developed significantly at midfield, and, at 28, is certainly not too old to be given an extended run in a sector where we have struggled in recent seasons.

There is a limit to the number of Kilcoo players who will make the Down starting line-up, but it would be a surprise if Laverty and both Johnstons were not there. Kane will face plenty of competition in goals, and O'Hanlon did not fully convince during his appearances last season. Devlin started every game in 2015 but ultimately disappointed in the championship and would need to improve noticeably if he is to retain his place. He looked short on confidence in the county final but has an opportunity to develop in the Ulster club championship.

The only other obvious candidate from Sunday was Duffin of Castlewellan, who produced a very steady display in a side which was largely outplayed. He has been in and out of Down squads over the years but would be worth considering whenever - and an appointment can surely not be delayed much longer - we get a new manager.

Was just wondering who else you think could be in the mix for the goalkeeper jersey? I thought Kane settled in well and had a good debut season. Cunningham from Castlewellan is a contender and I have always thought Kieran Gordan from Loughinisland was a quality goalkeeper. Would you put Kane in as your pick of three? Or any one else for that matter?

I'd like to see Shane Harrison get a go at midfield for the county, as opposed to nets as in the past he has left the panel for lack of game time I believe. Also as I said above I think we are well covered for quality in between the sticks but have struggled in the middle of the park in recent seasons. Granted he hasn't been playing the highest standard of football in Div 3 and the JFC this year but it is hard to dismiss the dominance he had in most games. A good showing in the Ulster JFC could maybe give this theory a push.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 13, 2015, 03:45:49 PM
CJ Barr has massive potential as a keeper and should be in nets for the U21s next year but we hope he makes it as a midfielder!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 13, 2015, 04:38:23 PM
Kane is our best shot stopper but his kick-outs did not function properly for Down last summer. While this may have not been entirely his fault, as our midfield was ordinary, it is still a crucial aspect of the modern game. Gordon will certainly put pressure on Kane, although Cunningham did not have his best day in Newry on Sunday. Shane Harrison is a fascinating case as he displayed considerable potential when he previously played in goals for Down at all levels and is arguably our best option for kick-outs. However, he has been in exceptional form at midfield for Glasdrumman all season, albeit in a lower division, and has rare ability as a ball winner. His brother, Connaire, is also a far better all round player now than when he was starting for Down a couple of seasons ago, and 2-5 from play in any county final tells its own story.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 13, 2015, 05:28:16 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 13, 2015, 04:38:23 PM
Kane is our best shot stopper but his kick-outs did not function properly for Down last summer. While this may have not been entirely his fault, as our midfield was ordinary, it is still a crucial aspect of the modern game. Gordon will certainly put pressure on Kane, although Cunningham did not have his best day in Newry on Sunday. Shane Harrison is a fascinating case as he displayed considerable potential when he previously played in goals for Down at all levels and is arguably our best option for kick-outs. However, he has been in exceptional form at midfield for Glasdrumman all season, albeit in a lower division, and has rare ability as a ball winner. His brother, Connaire, is also a far better all round player now than when he was starting for Down a couple of seasons ago, and 2-5 from play in any county final tells its own story.

Connaire Harrison is a much better player than he was a few years ago and I would have him in the top eight forwards in the county at the moment. He is definitely worth another go with the Down seniors next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 13, 2015, 05:59:00 PM
How about everyone lists one or two players that weren't involved with the County this past 2-3 years that could possibly step
up when our new man is in place?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 13, 2015, 07:25:16 PM
 untried  players that should be in the thoughts of the new county manager,

Daryl Brannigan, Kilcoo
Joe Murphy, Ballyholland
Michael Ireland, Longstone
Connaire Harrison, Glassdrumman

They be worth a run
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on October 13, 2015, 09:00:30 PM
Ref div 4 ballykinlar have no senior team and i have heard killyleagh not fielding next season. That makes it an 8 team league.

Div 1 - 12 teams
Div 2 - 12 teams
DIv 3 - 10 teams
Div 4 - 8 teams

Perhaps a couple of 3rds teams could feature in  bottom division ? I know they entered JFC in the past.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 13, 2015, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 13, 2015, 07:25:16 PM
untried  players that should be in the thoughts of the new county manager,

Daryl Brannigan, Kilcoo
Joe Murphy, Ballyholland
Michael Ireland, Longstone
Connaire Harrison, Glassdrumman

They be worth a run

+1 on Joe. Played in an AI U21 final and hasn't been looked at since. Superb footballer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 14, 2015, 11:59:35 AM
Can any one name the team that started the All Ireland U21 final in 09?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on October 14, 2015, 01:00:39 PM

Hoganstand report from 2009 Under 21 Final. Probably stolen by Hoganstand from another media source!

Cork 1-13
Down 2-9

The fine line between success and failure was firmly evident at O'Moore Park, Portlaoise as a 62nd minute goal from Colm O'Driscoll stole the Cadbury's All-Ireland U21 Football Championship from Down's grasp as the Rebels claimed their eleventh title.

Down were seeking a first success in this competition since 1979 but they were cruelly denied as a resolute Cork claim a last gasp win

The Mournemen managed by former Ireland International Rules manager Peter McGrath had taken the lead on two occasions in the second half thanks to well earned goals, but it was Cork's lone three-pointer which secured the Clarke Cup for the Rebels.

Goals from Eamon Toner and captain Timmy Hanna saw Down take the lead on two occasions in the second half but a resiliant Cork weren't to be denied their second All-Ireland title in three campaigns.

Eager to make a positive start Down settled quickest thanks to an opening minute Paul Devlin pointed free but Cork gained a firm foothold at midfield and dominated possession over the opening quarter.

However it took the Rebels almost seven minutes to get off to a positive footing with captain Colm O'Neill slotting over their opening score.

A brace of David Goold points ensured a 0-3 to 0-1 Cork lead but although dominant at midfield the Rebels leaked two of the next three points, with Paul McComiskey and Paul Devlin on target as Down cut the gap to the minimum.

But a forceful Cork outfit oozed enthusiasm in attack with Gould and O'Neill again to the fore as the Rebels claimed a 0-8 to 0-5 interval lead, but could have been further in front having rued five wides and conceding pointed frees from McComiskey and Devlin.

The Rebels were unsettled on the restart having lost half-forward Ciaran Sheehan through injury as Down made an inspired start.

A McComiskey brace and a inspiring score from midfielder Peter Fitzpatrick cut the gap to the minimum by the 38th minute.

Although a James Fitzpatrick point saw Cork break into a 0-10 to 0-8 lead with 17 minutes remaining, the Ulster champions placed huge pressure on a resolute Cork attack at this stage but were rewarded for their efforts.

A quick burst forward from midfield saw Eamon Toner finished the ball to the Cork net as Down took the lead for the first time since the opening minute.

O'Neill and Goold edged Cork back in front but a gutsy Down bounced back with Toner feeding defender Timmy Hanna as the Mourne captain burst through for the Ulster sides second goal.

Both teams were well matched in the closing stages, but a second point from midfielder Fitzpatrick saw Down take a two-point lead with as many minutes remaining.

Down supporters were sensing a rare All-Ireland crown for their side at this stage, and although their goalkeeper Gavin Joyce pulled off a superb save from an Aidan Walsh shot, O'Driscoll delivered the sucker punch to ensure a Rebel victory.

Cork - A Seymour; S McLoughlan, L Jennings, N Galvin; C O'Driscoll, A Walsh, B Daly; C O'Donovan, K O'Driscoll; C Sheehan, M Collins (0-2), C O'Driscoll (1-0); C O'Neill (0-5, 2f), D Goold (0-5, 3f), P Honahan. Subs: J Fitzpatrick (0-1) for Sheehan (32-inj); B Lombard for Jennings (49); B O'Driscoll for Honahan (62); L McLoughlin for K O'Driscoll (62)

Down - G Joyce; M Digney, C Murney, D Turley; T Hanna (1-0), J Fitzpatrick, J Murphy; M Magee, P Fitzpatrick (0-2); E Toner (1-0), C Maginn, J O'Reilly; P Devlin (0-3, 3f), P McComiskey (0-4, 2f), C Poland. Subs: N Higgins for Digney (46)

Ref - Cormac Reilly (Meath)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 14, 2015, 02:05:10 PM
The starting Cork side has seen better development in terms of players making the step up to senior football. Why is that ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 14, 2015, 02:21:50 PM
Mickey Linden and Conor Deegan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 14, 2015, 03:12:40 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on October 14, 2015, 02:05:10 PM
The starting Cork side has seen better development in terms of players making the step up to senior football. Why is that ?

Down - G Joyce; M Digney, C Murney, D Turley; T Hanna (1-0), J Fitzpatrick, J Murphy; M Magee, P Fitzpatrick (0-2); E Toner (1-0), C Maginn, J O'Reilly; P Devlin (0-3, 3f), P McComiskey (0-4, 2f), C Poland. Subs: N Higgins for Digney (46)

I thought this was the case and I completely agree. From the above team I can only see four players who have played in SFC? McComiskey, P Fitzpatrick, Devlin and Maginn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 14, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on October 14, 2015, 03:12:40 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on October 14, 2015, 02:05:10 PM
The starting Cork side has seen better development in terms of players making the step up to senior football. Why is that ?

Down - G Joyce; M Digney, C Murney, D Turley; T Hanna (1-0), J Fitzpatrick, J Murphy; M Magee, P Fitzpatrick (0-2); E Toner (1-0), C Maginn, J O'Reilly; P Devlin (0-3, 3f), P McComiskey (0-4, 2f), C Poland. Subs: N Higgins for Digney (46)

I thought this was the case and I completely agree. From the above team I can only see four players who have played in SFC? McComiskey, P Fitzpatrick, Devlin and Maginn.
Murney , o'reilly, hanna ,Turley also played UFC or qualifiers, I think. Would be interesting to chart the development of our minor and u21 players and try to identify reasons why most don't become established senior players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 14, 2015, 03:31:09 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 14, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on October 14, 2015, 03:12:40 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on October 14, 2015, 02:05:10 PM
The starting Cork side has seen better development in terms of players making the step up to senior football. Why is that ?

Down - G Joyce; M Digney, C Murney, D Turley; T Hanna (1-0), J Fitzpatrick, J Murphy; M Magee, P Fitzpatrick (0-2); E Toner (1-0), C Maginn, J O'Reilly; P Devlin (0-3, 3f), P McComiskey (0-4, 2f), C Poland. Subs: N Higgins for Digney (46)

I thought this was the case and I completely agree. From the above team I can only see four players who have played in SFC? McComiskey, P Fitzpatrick, Devlin and Maginn.
Murney , o'reilly, hanna ,Turley also played UFC or qualifiers
Ah I didn't know of these boys getting game time for seniors during championship. I always thought T Hanna showed some serious potential when playing for the U21s. Big Mick Magee dominated in the lower divisions of Down football when playing for Ardglass, and since transferred to RGU. Any one know how he fared out for them since the transfer?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 14, 2015, 03:43:50 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 14, 2015, 02:21:50 PM
Mickey Linden and Conor Deegan
rumoured to be our new Senior Managers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on October 14, 2015, 06:26:57 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 14, 2015, 03:43:50 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 14, 2015, 02:21:50 PM
Mickey Linden and Conor Deegan
rumoured to be our new Senior Managers
Boll-x if true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 15, 2015, 12:29:21 AM
Johnny Parr is the best keeper in Down by some distance given what he offers at both ends of he field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on October 15, 2015, 10:57:41 AM
Honestly believe Tiarnan Rushe should be gave a run with the county. huge potential. McKenna cup would be ideal to see if he can make the step up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 15, 2015, 11:45:58 AM
I think Tiarnan could do with a while at u 21 level first and needs a stone on him first
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 15, 2015, 02:06:49 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on October 15, 2015, 10:57:41 AM
Honestly believe Tiarnan Rushe should be gave a run with the county. huge potential. McKenna cup would be ideal to see if he can make the step up.
Seriously. Thought D'arcy from the Point done better for the minors this year. Sure lets give him a run with the seniors as well !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 15, 2015, 02:10:43 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on October 14, 2015, 03:31:09 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 14, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on October 14, 2015, 03:12:40 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on October 14, 2015, 02:05:10 PM
The starting Cork side has seen better development in terms of players making the step up to senior football. Why is that ?

Down - G Joyce; M Digney, C Murney, D Turley; T Hanna (1-0), J Fitzpatrick, J Murphy; M Magee, P Fitzpatrick (0-2); E Toner (1-0), C Maginn, J O'Reilly; P Devlin (0-3, 3f), P McComiskey (0-4, 2f), C Poland. Subs: N Higgins for Digney (46)

I thought this was the case and I completely agree. From the above team I can only see four players who have played in SFC? McComiskey, P Fitzpatrick, Devlin and Maginn.
Murney , o'reilly, hanna ,Turley also played UFC or qualifiers
Ah I didn't know of these boys getting game time for seniors during championship. I always thought T Hanna showed some serious potential when playing for the U21s. Big Mick Magee dominated in the lower divisions of Down football when playing for Ardglass, and since transferred to RGU. Any one know how he fared out for them since the transfer?

Magee part of the RGU team that just got relegated to div 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 15, 2015, 02:35:54 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on October 15, 2015, 02:10:43 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on October 14, 2015, 03:31:09 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 14, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on October 14, 2015, 03:12:40 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on October 14, 2015, 02:05:10 PM
The starting Cork side has seen better development in terms of players making the step up to senior football. Why is that ?

Down - G Joyce; M Digney, C Murney, D Turley; T Hanna (1-0), J Fitzpatrick, J Murphy; M Magee, P Fitzpatrick (0-2); E Toner (1-0), C Maginn, J O'Reilly; P Devlin (0-3, 3f), P McComiskey (0-4, 2f), C Poland. Subs: N Higgins for Digney (46)

I thought this was the case and I completely agree. From the above team I can only see four players who have played in SFC? McComiskey, P Fitzpatrick, Devlin and Maginn.
Murney , o'reilly, hanna ,Turley also played UFC or qualifiers
Ah I didn't know of these boys getting game time for seniors during championship. I always thought T Hanna showed some serious potential when playing for the U21s. Big Mick Magee dominated in the lower divisions of Down football when playing for Ardglass, and since transferred to RGU. Any one know how he fared out for them since the transfer?

Magee part of the RGU team that just got relegated to div 2

Joyce is playing goals for New York.
Murney played against Tyrone in Healy Park in 2008, and wasn't up the pace.
Turley has played a handful of Championship matches.
Hanna has come and gone from various panels - I'm not sure if he started a Championship match or not.
Peter Fitzpatrick played in AI final 2010, and has a couple of Championship seasons under his belt.
Maginn has been a Championship regular for years.
O'Reilly was pat of various Down set-ups, but going to Oz didn't help him.
PD played this season's Championship.
McComiskey was a regular on Down teams for 4-5 years after that game

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That's 9 out of 15 who've had a petty decent stab at county football. By any standards, that's pretty good going.

By way of contrast, while Sheehan, O'Neill and Walsh have Celtic Crosses in their back pockets from 2010, if any of their other 16 players that day have made any impact on Championship ball, I must have been tuned into soccer or something else at that time.

Essentially, the only difference in development between the two sides is that Cork scored one more point than Down in 2010!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 15, 2015, 05:51:07 PM
Joyce was a fine goalkeeper who was exceptionally unfortunate in his two biggest games before he went to the US. In both the MacRory final of 2006 with St Louis and the AI u21 final of 2009 with Down, his teams were two points up well into injury time. On each occasion, unstoppable last-second goals turned the result.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tiocfaidh Ned on October 15, 2015, 08:41:50 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 15, 2015, 08:05:21 PM
X v Down (after too many seasons away from home) or Down v X (a home Draw at last)

Away to Monaghan. At least we'll get a day out in Clones.

#SackSeanOg #SackChuckyNed #TimeForChange
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 15, 2015, 08:42:59 PM
There goes any chance of getting a decent manager - Div 1 and then Monaghan away followed by Donegal if we manage to somehow scrape by.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 15, 2015, 08:46:38 PM
Away again ffs. Monaghan then probably donegal, doesn't get much tougher.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upthehoops on October 15, 2015, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on October 15, 2015, 08:42:59 PM
There goes any chance of getting a decent manager - Div 1 and then Monaghan away followed by Donegal if we manage to somehow scrape by.
You couldn't f##king make that up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 15, 2015, 09:02:11 PM
And Gormless Danny (thinks he's God) Murphy looking as stupid as ever👿
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on October 15, 2015, 09:54:35 PM
Down folk travel in good numbers anywhere they have to. It's almost like the draw gods know that  :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 15, 2015, 09:54:47 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 15, 2015, 09:02:11 PM
And Gormless Danny (thinks he's God) Murphy looking as stupid as ever👿

I have no axe to grind nor am I casting aspersions but I would be interested to know what your problem with Danny Murphy is? Just curious.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 15, 2015, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 15, 2015, 09:54:47 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 15, 2015, 09:02:11 PM
And Gormless Danny (thinks he's God) Murphy looking as stupid as ever👿

I have no axe to grind nor am I casting aspersions but I would be interested to know what your problem with Danny Murphy is? Just curious.
His demeanour and the whole Casement fiasco just amuses and disappoints me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 15, 2015, 11:15:46 PM
We have now had ten consecutive away draws in the first or preliminary round of the USC, which must be some sort of record. When we previously got what should have been home ties, in 06, 03 and 01, we were ordered to play in Casement Park. The last time we were actually at home in our first game was in 1999. We have to go to the defending Ulster champions in 2016 and we need a new manager and probably about half a new team. It must be our year at last.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 15, 2015, 11:31:22 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 15, 2015, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 15, 2015, 09:54:47 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 15, 2015, 09:02:11 PM
And Gormless Danny (thinks he's God) Murphy looking as stupid as ever👿

I have no axe to grind nor am I casting aspersions but I would be interested to know what your problem with Danny Murphy is? Just curious.
His demeanour and the whole Casement fiasco just amuses and disappoints me.

Judging people on their demeanour...that's really smart.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 15, 2015, 11:49:43 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 15, 2015, 11:31:22 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 15, 2015, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 15, 2015, 09:54:47 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 15, 2015, 09:02:11 PM
And Gormless Danny (thinks he's God) Murphy looking as stupid as ever👿

I have no axe to grind nor am I casting aspersions but I would be interested to know what your problem with Danny Murphy is? Just curious.
His demeanour and the whole Casement fiasco just amuses and disappoints me.

Judging people on their demeanour...that's really smart.
As smart as your mention of James McCartan as the new Minor Manager which may turn out to be true but you never answered any of the queries on it after you posted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 16, 2015, 12:01:53 AM
Queries??? You were the only one that questioned it. Sorry I don't know who you are and I apologise for not providing you with a full run down of where I get my information from. Don't worry. If I get another "scoop" I'll be the first to PM you with my sources of information.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on October 16, 2015, 09:35:13 AM
The u21 campaign kicks off on Sunday I believe. Who we think will win this? Point favourites?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on October 16, 2015, 10:15:52 AM
Quote from: SamFever on October 15, 2015, 11:49:43 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 15, 2015, 11:31:22 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 15, 2015, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 15, 2015, 09:54:47 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 15, 2015, 09:02:11 PM
And Gormless Danny (thinks he's God) Murphy looking as stupid as ever👿

I have no axe to grind nor am I casting aspersions but I would be interested to know what your problem with Danny Murphy is? Just curious.
His demeanour and the whole Casement fiasco just amuses and disappoints me.

Judging people on their demeanour...that's really smart.
As smart as your mention of James McCartan as the new Minor Manager which may turn out to be true but you never answered any of the queries on it after you posted.

Seems he was spot on, this article was from last week though and still no confirmation.

http://gaeliclife.com/2015/10/james-mccartan-set-to-be-appointed-as-down-minor-manager/

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 16, 2015, 11:19:11 AM
Quote from: Don Johnson on October 16, 2015, 10:15:52 AM
Quote from: SamFever on October 15, 2015, 11:49:43 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 15, 2015, 11:31:22 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 15, 2015, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 15, 2015, 09:54:47 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 15, 2015, 09:02:11 PM
And Gormless Danny (thinks he's God) Murphy looking as stupid as ever👿

I have no axe to grind nor am I casting aspersions but I would be interested to know what your problem with Danny Murphy is? Just curious.
His demeanour and the whole Casement fiasco just amuses and disappoints me.

Judging people on their demeanour...that's really smart.
As smart as your mention of James McCartan as the new Minor Manager which may turn out to be true but you never answered any of the queries on it after you posted.

Seems he was spot on, this article was from last week though and still no confirmation.

http://gaeliclife.com/2015/10/james-mccartan-set-to-be-appointed-as-down-minor-manager/


The article sounds like it was taken from info on this site.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgaa88 on October 16, 2015, 11:27:21 AM
It was confirmed. Mccartan is the new Minor manager. Read up lads instead of constantly speculating

http://www.hoganstand.com/Down/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=245617
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 16, 2015, 12:09:53 PM
Would this not need to go to a vote by the clubs for ratification
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 16, 2015, 12:49:08 PM
Another away draw for UFC.
Our remarkable run of away draws must be some sort of record.
Despite the obvious disadvantage in playing away from home, we have had several
Impressive performances away from home in recent years, and from semi-final onwards we'll not be at home anyway, but the other disadvantage of an away draw is the loss of marketing/publicity/promotion potential of a home USFC game in Newry. I think reconsideration of an alternative draw, even a two year cycle with a reversed home venue for the following year, is necessary, as we have definitely missed out on hosting glamour championship ties in our excellent newry venue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 16, 2015, 02:06:28 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 16, 2015, 12:01:53 AM
Queries??? You were the only one that questioned it. Sorry I don't know who you are and I apologise for not providing you with a full run down of where I get my information from. Don't worry. If I get another "scoop" I'll be the first to PM you with my sources of information.
Nor will you ever have the pleasure of knowing me,but I know you.
 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on October 16, 2015, 09:16:50 PM
Well done Samfever on knowing 5Sams. I don't know him personally myself but I could if I wanted to, he's not exactly secretive. But if it makes you feel smug then I hope it gives you a happy weekend.

Maybe we could dispense with the childishness and get back to discussing football. Does anyone want to venture their opinion on what a new manager could do to sort out or glaring issues at county level - Complete midfield subjugation and consistent failure to create as many scoring opportunities than any given opposition (Westmeath aside)?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 16, 2015, 10:17:07 PM
I think the issues are more than just midfield.

We aren't too bad for keepers, Kane, Harrison Cunningham should suffice here depending on who is in the best form and can adhere to tactics.

We could do with a couple of corner backs and a commanding fullback.  Two or three of the Brannigan brothers would be worth a try for the corner back spots and Gerard McGovern is worth a shot a full back although I would slightly worry about pace with him.

I'd love to see Darren O Hagan and Ryan Johnston played as athletic, adventurous wing backs who at the same time would still have the pace to defend properly.  With our difficulties in defence we could do with a Cian O Sullivan type sweeper, Conor Garvey has the potential to play such role or maybe Peter Turley.

Midfield as said is a world of trouble and even in his 30s Dan Gordon is in a league of his own in Down and the new manager should again try to accommodate him in whatever way is required to get him back.  I'd play McKernan beside him for a few reasons. a) he has played his best football for Down there b) he isn't disciplined enough to play in defence and c) as shown twice against Kilcoo this year he is too easily marked in the forward line.

If Marty comes back then a lot patience will need to be shown to him but hopefully come championship time he could be back to his brilliant best.  I'd love two athletic, tall wing forwards who could get up and  down the field and also be kickout options.  Ryan Mallon is a possibility here but I'm struggling for another one.  Possibly Ryan Johnston with Ciaran McCartan or Garvey at wing back.

IMO Jerome is the most dangerous and potent forward in the county at min and is a must in the FF line ahead of O Hare and Laverty.  I'd give Shay McArdle a go beside him or even Arthur is worth a look from the start for a few games.  Laverty or O hare depending on who fills the role better would then be in the other corner drifting out to play as a second playmaker beside Marty.

Some of yas would probably rip that team to shreds but it's all about opinions.

I don't have much knowledge of div 2 or 3 admittedly and if there are players there worth a look then great.  However without trying to sound condescending (which I probably will anyway), scoring 2-4 in a junior final isn't going to excite me greatly. Ok lets see if he has improved from his previous stint with the county but I won't be holding my breath.

As for the first division the majority of the players that should be there are there give or take a few with the Brannigans etc.  Joe Murphy might be worth a look but he is too small for midfield at county level and not sure he has the defensive or self discipline to play wing half back.  Still prob worth a look though.

Finally I like the appointment of James as minor manager but would hope he has a selector who is either in the schools system or experience at watching minor football for the last few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on October 17, 2015, 08:55:56 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 16, 2015, 10:17:07 PM
I think the issues are more than just midfield.

We aren't too bad for keepers, Kane, Harrison Cunningham should suffice here depending on who is in the best form and can adhere to tactics.

We could do with a couple of corner backs and a commanding fullback.  Two or three of the Brannigan brothers would be worth a try for the corner back spots and Gerard McGovern is worth a shot a full back although I would slightly worry about pace with him.

I'd love to see Darren O Hagan and Ryan Johnston played as athletic, adventurous wing backs who at the same time would still have the pace to defend properly.  With our difficulties in defence we could do with a Cian O Sullivan type sweeper, Conor Garvey has the potential to play such role or maybe Peter Turley.

Midfield as said is a world of trouble and even in his 30s Dan Gordon is in a league of his own in Down and the new manager should again try to accommodate him in whatever way is required to get him back.  I'd play McKernan beside him for a few reasons. a) he has played his best football for Down there b) he isn't disciplined enough to play in defence and c) as shown twice against Kilcoo this year he is too easily marked in the forward line.

If Marty comes back then a lot patience will need to be shown to him but hopefully come championship time he could be back to his brilliant best.  I'd love two athletic, tall wing forwards who could get up and  down the field and also be kickout options.  Ryan Mallon is a possibility here but I'm struggling for another one.  Possibly Ryan Johnston with Ciaran McCartan or Garvey at wing back.

IMO Jerome is the most dangerous and potent forward in the county at min and is a must in the FF line ahead of O Hare and Laverty.  I'd give Shay McArdle a go beside him or even Arthur is worth a look from the start for a few games.  Laverty or O hare depending on who fills the role better would then be in the other corner drifting out to play as a second playmaker beside Marty.

Some of yas would probably rip that team to shreds but it's all about opinions.

I don't have much knowledge of div 2 or 3 admittedly and if there are players there worth a look then great.  However without trying to sound condescending (which I probably will anyway), scoring 2-4 in a junior final isn't going to excite me greatly. Ok lets see if he has improved from his previous stint with the county but I won't be holding my breath.

As for the first division the majority of the players that should be there are there give or take a few with the Brannigans etc.  Joe Murphy might be worth a look but he is too small for midfield at county level and not sure he has the defensive or self discipline to play wing half back.  Still prob worth a look though.

Finally I like the appointment of James as minor manager but would hope he has a selector who is either in the schools system or experience at watching minor football for the last few years.

I'd love to see O Hagan playing at WHB. but then come the Monaghan game he's the best option to pick up Conor Mc Manus.

Gordon/Kane
O'Hagan
Garvey
D Brannigan
R Mallon
N Mc Parland
Aaron Brannigan
D Gordan
K Mc Kernan
R Johnston
M Clarke
C Mooney
J Johnson
S Mc Ardle
C Mc Cartan (playing as sweeper)

Hard to leave Laverty and O Hare out, but options off the bench...
ridicule away! 


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 17, 2015, 09:59:46 AM
Will McCommiskey make himself available again for Down.  Without doubt a quality footballer .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 17, 2015, 10:11:54 AM
He apparently made himself available last year but Jim didn't think we needed him. Surely the 2 Toners from Burren should be given a chance along with Davud Mc Kibben from Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 17, 2015, 10:40:36 AM
Heard a rumour this morning that McCorry is to be announced as the next Burren manager. Anyone else hear this or can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 17, 2015, 10:53:22 AM
False
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 17, 2015, 11:22:22 AM
Given the length and seriousness of McParlands injury I'd be inclined to let him have a period of club football and see how he is progressing from there.  Similarly I think there has been an unfair amount of pressure on Mooney and I'd also let him play away at as much club football as possible and tell him he is still on the rador.

It's probably right on O Hagan that he will be pulled back to mark McManus as as he is the best man marker we have but it's a pity given what he could provide further forward.  I'd also have him as a contender for captain.

If its right that McComiskey did make himself available then it's another one of many strange decisions made by the management team last year. I'd certainly have him back in the panel but would be still behind Jerome for me at the min.

Eamon Toner is prob due a chance at county level given the dearth of bigger forwards in the county but Coner still has a bit to go to become a county midfielder.  Good should on McKibben who is also worth a look, strong solid player who can give and take a hit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 17, 2015, 11:36:22 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on October 17, 2015, 10:11:54 AM
He apparently made himself available last year but Jim didn't think we needed him. Surely the 2 Toners from Burren should be given a chance along with Davud Mc Kibben from Bryansford

Not factual at all here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on October 17, 2015, 02:13:31 PM
It was brought up at the county board meeting which Mc Corry was being discussed at. It was stated that he could do 3 nights with the team and another 2 via video link. He was told it was either all in or not. This was the view of the from a man who said he was a friend of Paul's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 17, 2015, 04:35:06 PM
Anyone who has seen Clarke with An Riocht will know that he is recovering from a serious and destabilising condition which has left him badly struggling for fitness. He may get back to county pace eventually but we will be very fortunate if he reaches his 2010 level again. The rest of our forward line has been pretty ordinary over the last couple of seasons and there is a clear need for new faces to put the pressure on the regular starters. WGM is right not to be too impressed just because Harrison scored 2-5 from play in a JFC final but the point is that he has been running up similar totals all year. He was considered good enough to start when we were last in D1 in 2013, and is definitely a much more complete player now, so there is a strong case for giving him another run. We need the new manager in place quickly so presumably there will be developments at the county board meeting on Monday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on October 17, 2015, 06:28:39 PM
Bryansford beat burren.

Thats a bit of a turn up for the books
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 17, 2015, 07:04:24 PM
I can't believe I'm saying this but I kind  of feel sorry for Burren. If you finish top of the league you should win the trophy. I think it time to do away with the play offs!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 17, 2015, 07:32:29 PM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on October 17, 2015, 06:28:39 PM
Bryansford beat burren.

Thats a bit of a turn up for the books
Dawson for down job then!!  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on October 17, 2015, 09:48:27 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 12, 2015, 11:17:20 PM
Quote from: John Martin on October 12, 2015, 10:34:57 PM
Leagues for 2016

Division 1
Burren
Bryansford
Ballyholland
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Glenn
CPN
Clonduff
Castlewellan
Saval
Longstone
Ballymartin

Division 2
RGU Downpatrick
Rostrevor
Annaclone
Liatroim
Clann na Banna
Loughinisland
Darragh Cross
Tullylish
Bredagh
An Riocht
Carryduff
St. John's

Division 3
Attical
Drumaness
Bosco
Saul
Dromara
Shamrocks
Kilclief
Drumgath
Glassdrumman
Teconnaught???

Division 4
Everyone else
Our County finallists and Bryansord from East Down along with 9 south Down Clubs in Div1 next year.

East Down....2 reach the county final the other retains the league...
👏👏👏👊
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on October 18, 2015, 12:11:34 AM
Dawson quit Bryansford tonight...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 18, 2015, 09:55:33 AM
Quote from: Oglach on October 18, 2015, 12:11:34 AM
Dawson quit Bryansford tonight...

RIP Down GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on October 18, 2015, 02:52:00 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on October 18, 2015, 09:55:33 AM
Quote from: Oglach on October 18, 2015, 12:11:34 AM
Dawson quit Bryansford tonight...

RIP Down GAA.

He gets Down job tomorrow night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 18, 2015, 03:44:05 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on October 18, 2015, 09:55:33 AM
Quote from: Oglach on October 18, 2015, 12:11:34 AM
Dawson quit Bryansford tonight...

RIP Down GAA.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 18, 2015, 04:01:16 PM
Quote from: thebar on October 18, 2015, 03:44:05 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on October 18, 2015, 09:55:33 AM
Quote from: Oglach on October 18, 2015, 12:11:34 AM
Dawson quit Bryansford tonight...

RIP Down GAA.

Agreed.

Madness . Clueless county board. But then again  he might be the only one that wants it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on October 18, 2015, 05:11:40 PM
told yous that at least a year ago that Dawson was after wee J ames job -probably longer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 18, 2015, 06:00:08 PM
What are the alternatives if McEntee doesn't want it.  From the ones mention or seemingly available

Dawson
POR
Banty
Poacher
Linden & Deegan
Shorty

Be prepared to be underwhelmed no matter who gets it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 18, 2015, 09:14:41 PM
Good to see a big win for Loughinisland today. Puts them in a strong position for the rest of Ulster, hopefully they can repeat Warrenpoint's success of last year.

I agree with WGM, Dawson is possibly the best candidate of a bad bunch. What ever people think of him personally, his record in Down football is fairly strong.
Just out of interest T O'Hare who managed the Bridge during the 04-08 period of dominance?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 18, 2015, 09:40:27 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on October 18, 2015, 09:14:41 PM


I agree with WGM, Dawson is possibly the best candidate of a bad bunch. What ever people think of him personally, his record in Down football is fairly strong.


The worst part is that, after the backlash from sacking McCorry after one year, Dawson will be with us for the next two.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rainbowman on October 19, 2015, 01:38:36 AM
Quote from: The Raven on October 18, 2015, 02:52:00 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on October 18, 2015, 09:55:33 AM
Quote from: Oglach on October 18, 2015, 12:11:34 AM
Dawson quit Bryansford tonight...

RIP Down GAA.

He gets Down job tomorrow night
Heard Dawson is getting the Bridge job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 19, 2015, 01:42:37 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on October 18, 2015, 09:14:41 PM
Good to see a big win for Loughinisland today. Puts them in a strong position for the rest of Ulster, hopefully they can repeat Warrenpoint's success of last year.

I agree with WGM, Dawson is possibly the best candidate of a bad bunch. What ever people think of him personally, his record in Down football is fairly strong.
Just out of interest T O'Hare who managed the Bridge during the 04-08 period of dominance?

McCorry 99 and 01
Jackie McManus 02
Mickey Linden 04-6
Mickey Donnelly 07 and 08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 19, 2015, 10:19:53 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 19, 2015, 01:42:37 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on October 18, 2015, 09:14:41 PM
Good to see a big win for Loughinisland today. Puts them in a strong position for the rest of Ulster, hopefully they can repeat Warrenpoint's success of last year.

I agree with WGM, Dawson is possibly the best candidate of a bad bunch. What ever people think of him personally, his record in Down football is fairly strong.
Just out of interest T O'Hare who managed the Bridge during the 04-08 period of dominance?

McCorry 99 and 01
Jackie McManus 02
Mickey Linden 04-6
Mickey Donnelly 07 and 08

Where have McManus and Donnelly been since leaving the Bridge? What was your opinion on them; or did they have a simple task of managing a team that were leaps and bounds above the rest in the county at the time?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 19, 2015, 06:41:09 PM
Not sure where Jackie is at the minute. Both were good in their own right. Jackie more old school who loved direct football while Mickey was a young manager who was very different and was a excellent young vibrant coach, one of the best I've ever had. He finished up with Tyrone minors last year and is the st Ronans Lurgan McRory cup coach. Growing up I was used to winning underage championships so we took it that winning senior championships was the norm and that to manage the Bridge was a handy number. Looking back now , we were excellently prepared by all managers who had to manage 30 odd lads to win 8 championships and just as many premier reserve championships during this time. We certainly had an extremely talented group but everyone worked so hard and the championships were not handed to us. Teams such as Burren, Byransford, Kilcoo , longstone, Rostrevor and Clonduff, were all strong in this period.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on October 20, 2015, 11:46:26 AM
Today's Irish News reporting that Paddy O'Rourke is going to take the job along with Mickey Linden and Conor Deegan.

I'd be happy if Paddy got the job. He has good experience and hasn't been a disaster anywhere - even Armagh people will tell you now in hindsight that he did a good job there.

He would steady the ship, knows Down football inside out, isn't in it for "expenses" and will have learned from past experiences. He also in his previous stint put together a squad of big physical players, something we need now. No doubt some people will argue that the county was full of big strong players back then. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 20, 2015, 12:11:16 PM
Wouldnt be convinced there is a tactical mastermind in there and would also need a quality coach added to the setup.  During his last term POR generally got the right players on the field who were well motivated but when plan A wasnt working things started to go titsup !!!   A Brian McIlvor type would help that management team if it is true.

Shane Mulholland wouldnt be a bad selector but cant see that happening.....................
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 20, 2015, 04:37:36 PM
i just cant see Mickey Linden being involved at all. Just doesnt strike me as someone who would, just like blaney, breen, mason and the like

Deegan on other hand does strike me as someone who has the man management skills to deal with county players having done so at Ballyboden & Kilmacud.

I dont think orourke and deegan would work together though as both appear to have strong personalities

but i do think O'Rourke with a very good trainer like Tally and someone of Brian McIlver's ilk would work as James McCartan nearly won an all ireland in his first season with such a combination.

orourke if he is interested might need to go outside the county for a number 2 like mcguinness did with rory gallaher as it does prevent the perception of bias when selecting players for the squad and more importantly the starting 15 .

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 20, 2015, 09:48:59 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on October 20, 2015, 04:37:36 PM
i just cant see Mickey Linden being involved at all. Just doesnt strike me as someone who would, just like blaney, breen, mason and the like

Deegan on other hand does strike me as someone who has the man management skills to deal with county players having done so at Ballyboden & Kilmacud.

I dont think orourke and deegan would work together though as both appear to have strong personalities

but i do think O'Rourke with a very good trainer like Tally and someone of Brian McIlver's ilk would work as James McCartan nearly won an all ireland in his first season with such a combination.

orourke if he is interested might need to go outside the county for a number 2 like mcguinness did with rory gallaher as it does prevent the perception of bias when selecting players for the squad and more importantly the starting 15 .
So we're really no further on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 21, 2015, 03:18:38 PM
New manager to be announced tonite I heard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 21, 2015, 08:38:35 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on October 21, 2015, 03:18:38 PM
New manager to be announced tonite I heard.
Announced to what audience?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 21, 2015, 08:44:40 PM
Was told it was to keep an eye out on twitter tonite by the country PRO.. Only snippets I could get was that it's a person that hasn't been mentioned at all in the paper and that it is an in house appointment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on October 21, 2015, 10:09:33 PM
Who ever is given the job.. Hopefully POR, needs to have a good back room set up. I think the problem wasn't just mccorry last season he hadn't got the right back room team. Not enough big names. We need a name such as Mciver or Rory Gallagher.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on October 22, 2015, 09:11:12 AM
Hedgehunter

Either you or the pro heard wrong then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on October 22, 2015, 09:14:46 AM
Radio Ulster say it'll be announced later today

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on October 22, 2015, 10:01:38 AM
I reckon it will be a joint management team approach.

Sum of all the parts. Shared vision and shared responsibility.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 22, 2015, 10:17:15 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on October 21, 2015, 08:44:40 PM
Was told it was to keep an eye out on twitter tonite by the country PRO.. Only snippets I could get was that it's a person that hasn't been mentioned at all in the paper and that it is an in house appointment.
Paul Rooney will love you after repeating that on here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 22, 2015, 12:09:42 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 22, 2015, 10:17:15 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on October 21, 2015, 08:44:40 PM
Was told it was to keep an eye out on twitter tonite by the country PRO.. Only snippets I could get was that it's a person that hasn't been mentioned at all in the paper and that it is an in house appointment.
Paul Rooney will love you after repeating that on here

If it's someone not mentioned in the press and in house. Then who?  Who else would be in the running? Any ideas?
Cathal Murray
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 22, 2015, 01:56:07 PM
Walsh and Linden?
Linden and Shorty?

Who knows at this stage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 22, 2015, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 22, 2015, 10:17:15 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on October 21, 2015, 08:44:40 PM
Was told it was to keep an eye out on twitter tonite by the country PRO.. Only snippets I could get was that it's a person that hasn't been mentioned at all in the paper and that it is an in house appointment.
Paul Rooney will love you after repeating that on here

Why would that be?? He refused to tell me who it was.. Simple.. Nothing to be getting excited about..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on October 22, 2015, 02:54:41 PM
It'll not be Dawson. He has found gainful employment elsewhere within the County (unconfirmed).

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Spike on October 22, 2015, 03:13:04 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on October 22, 2015, 02:54:41 PM
It'll not be Dawson. He has found gainful employment elsewhere within the County (unconfirmed).

thank your lucky stars its not Dawson.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on October 22, 2015, 06:10:02 PM
Sincere sympathies to the family of the late John O'Hanlon (Clonduff) who passed away this week,played against him at under-age level many years ago-he was a good player at that time-R.I.P.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 22, 2015, 09:46:12 PM
By all accounts there will be no announcement tonight of our new manager.  This saga has become really drawn out and I'm sure we all have no problem waiting, as long as we get the right man.  The speculation on here, in various internet discussions and in the papers has been mad.  Our County Board have had months to sort this out and members were even told a few weeks back that an appointment was imminent yet nothing came of it.  Then the speculation recently that there would be an announcement tonight but yet nothing again.  I think the County Board are scrambling for a credible successor to Mc Corry.  We all have no idea who exactly this man is and probably as important as him is his back room team.  Our wonderful Down Way in action again.

It's also interesting that nearly half of the counties in Ireland have their own Centres of Excellence and the likes of Kerry can raise €5.8 million for theirs http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=245892 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=245892) yet we still rely on the facilities our clubs and our schools have. 

We are in some state.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on October 22, 2015, 10:20:50 PM
T O Hare fill us in on the Dawson story are Mayobridge really thinking of giving him the managers job?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 22, 2015, 11:41:20 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on September 17, 2014, 06:40:13 PM
I was speaking to Mark Turley today - He has been offered the job and it will be official in the next day or two
PAULD123,  In reference to my childishness last week.
See above for your similar behaviour last year prior to Jim McCorry's appointment. Touché!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 23, 2015, 01:29:05 AM
Quote from: gaamann on October 22, 2015, 10:20:50 PM
T O Hare fill us in on the Dawson story are Mayobridge really thinking of giving him the managers job?

Jody Gormley to take over Downs oldest club lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on October 23, 2015, 08:19:57 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 23, 2015, 01:29:05 AM
Quote from: gaamann on October 22, 2015, 10:20:50 PM
T O Hare fill us in on the Dawson story are Mayobridge really thinking of giving him the managers job?

Jody Gormley to take over Downs oldest club lads

Jody Gormley is going to Liatroim?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 23, 2015, 08:22:40 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on October 22, 2015, 02:20:26 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 22, 2015, 10:17:15 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on October 21, 2015, 08:44:40 PM
Was told it was to keep an eye out on twitter tonite by the country PRO.. Only snippets I could get was that it's a person that hasn't been mentioned at all in the paper and that it is an in house appointment.
Paul Rooney will love you after repeating that on here

Why would that be?? He refused to tell me who it was.. Simple.. Nothing to be getting excited about..

Some serious backtracking  ::) News of the World stuff!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on October 23, 2015, 08:36:55 AM
Thanks T O Hare was starting to think the affliction that effects our Down co board was contagious.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 23, 2015, 10:59:43 AM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 23, 2015, 01:29:05 AM
Quote from: gaamann on October 22, 2015, 10:20:50 PM
T O Hare fill us in on the Dawson story are Mayobridge really thinking of giving him the managers job?

Jody Gormley to take over Downs oldest club lads
Where is that coming from? T?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on October 23, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 22, 2015, 11:41:20 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on September 17, 2014, 06:40:13 PM
I was speaking to Mark Turley today - He has been offered the job and it will be official in the next day or two
PAULD123,  In reference to my childishness last week.
See above for your similar behaviour last year prior to Jim McCorry's appointment. Touché!

Firstly Sam, calm yourself and don't jump on things without thinking them through. There is no Touché for you here at all. Perhaps you should have read some of the other posts before grabbing this one. My comment at the time was an obvious joke, and if you looked at the follow up from some of the other posters you would see that they got that it was a joke.

Anyone who thought that I was seriously suggesting Mark had advised me he was getting the job knows little about our county football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 23, 2015, 02:49:59 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on October 23, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 22, 2015, 11:41:20 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on September 17, 2014, 06:40:13 PM
I was speaking to Mark Turley today - He has been offered the job and it will be official in the next day or two
PAULD123,  In reference to my childishness last week.
See above for your similar behaviour last year prior to Jim McCorry's appointment. Touché!

Firstly Sam, calm yourself and don't jump on things without thinking them through. There is no Touché for you here at all. Perhaps you should have read some of the other posts before grabbing this one. My comment at the time was an obvious joke, and if you looked at the follow up from some of the other posters you would see that they got that it was a joke.

Anyone who thought that I was seriously suggesting Mark had advised me he was getting the job knows little about our county football.
Agreed!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on October 23, 2015, 07:36:45 PM
And Daniel O Donnell has left strictly
All in the week that was.......

Only in ireland.... :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 23, 2015, 09:40:25 PM
Gents, I was hoping some old hands could help out here.

By any chance would any one have any old pictures or video footage from the Ulster final in 1981 or the All Ireland semi final of that year? Down beat Armagh in the Ulster final pretty handy I think, and lost out to Offlay in the semi.

Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on October 24, 2015, 12:14:55 AM
So that's mayobridge, clonduff, saval,warrenpoint, Longstone,Bryansford and rostrover all looking new managers anyone else?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 24, 2015, 07:52:41 PM
Sure with Jody going to Mayobridge Bredagh need a new manager as well🎣
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 24, 2015, 08:48:37 PM
Quote from: sdg on October 24, 2015, 12:14:55 AM
So that's mayobridge, clonduff, saval,warrenpoint, Longstone,Bryansford and rostrover all looking new managers anyone else?
Mayobridge - Walsh new County manager with Jody Gormley replacing him
clonduff - very strange with Adams leaving but according to reports is back with Antrim
saval - not unexpected
warrenpoint - strange after keeping them in Div 1 and great championship run last year
Longstone - not unexpected
Bryansford - Dawson leaving with his pockets full
rostrover - only one year for White, high expectations here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 24, 2015, 10:27:14 PM
Where is this Jody Gormley rumour coming from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 24, 2015, 10:28:23 PM
A few boys would do well not to believe everything they read on here. Gormley is no more taking the bridge next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on October 24, 2015, 10:46:11 PM
Maybe I'm missing something, but why is there such an anti Dawson agenda? Of all the current managers in the Down Leagues, surely his record speaks volumes. Championship wins with Clonduff and Burren, took Longstone to a final that they could have won and two leagues with Bryansford.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 24, 2015, 11:07:53 PM
I'm not sure there is a management change in the point either.

On Dawson he is s great coach who delivers titles at club level but what counts against him is he is controversial, largely unliked, his stint with Antrim and Fords result against Liatroim this year.

For all that I'd take him back to Burren although some wouldn't.  Still reckon he will end up in the bridge.  Mr O Hare is at it!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 24, 2015, 11:12:05 PM
A lot of people missing what Lineball said about our new county manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 24, 2015, 11:16:19 PM
Well if he is wrong with other things what makes you think he is right on that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 24, 2015, 11:18:23 PM
Watch this space.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 24, 2015, 11:20:56 PM
Interesting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 25, 2015, 02:27:15 PM
Deegan new RGU manager, strike him off the county list!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 25, 2015, 02:38:51 PM
Bernie Ruane and Declan Mussen will continue to be CPN manager/trainer next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on October 25, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
So with new managers on the agenda atm

whos managing who for next year?
Division 1
Burren=
Bryansford=
Ballyholland=
Kilcoo=
Mayobridge=
Glenn=
CPN=
Clonduff=
Castlewellan=
Saval=
Longstone=
Ballymartin=

Division 2
RGU Downpatrick=
Rostrevor=
Annaclone=
Liatroim=
Clann na Banna=
Loughinisland=
Darragh Cross=
Tullylish=
Bredagh=
An Riocht=
Carryduff=
St. John's=

Division 3
Attical=
Drumaness=
Bosco=
Saul=
Dromara=
Shamrocks=
Kilclief=
Drumgath=
Glassdrumman=
Teconnaught=

Division 4
Aughlisnafin=
Dundrum=
Mitchels=
Ardglass=
St pauls=
Bright=
St Michaels=
Aghaderg=
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 25, 2015, 04:30:34 PM
A bit early for that given exactly that fact, there'll be a lot of blanks!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tiocfaidh Ned on October 25, 2015, 06:35:28 PM
Micko was spotted in the Canal Court this afternoon having lunch, I'm told he had the carvery, exceptional value at £8.95. Don't think the selection of freshly prepared desserts were to his taste, but he left in a large Merc with a private plate. Could be expecting an audit, you never know.

#SackSeanOg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 25, 2015, 06:58:34 PM
Quote from: Tiocfaidh Ned on October 25, 2015, 06:35:28 PM
Micko was spotted in the Canal Court this afternoon having lunch, I'm told he had the carvery, exceptional value at £8.95. Don't think the selection of freshly prepared desserts were to his taste, but he left in a large Merc with a private plate. Could be expecting an audit, you never know.

#SackSeanOg
Fergie was in the passenger seat
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 25, 2015, 07:05:36 PM
Quote from: Tiocfaidh Ned on October 25, 2015, 06:35:28 PM
Micko was spotted in the Canal Court this afternoon having lunch, I'm told he had the carvery, exceptional value at £8.95. Don't think the selection of freshly prepared desserts were to his taste, but he left in a large Merc with a private plate. Could be expecting an audit, you never know.

#SackSeanOg

Jeez you mustn't have been there in a while or Micko got a bit of discount! Hasn't been £8.95 in a while  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on October 25, 2015, 09:00:26 PM
Under 21 results from today??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 25, 2015, 09:03:37 PM
downgaa.net
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 25, 2015, 09:08:30 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 25, 2015, 09:03:37 PM
downgaa.net

They're not up yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 25, 2015, 09:14:34 PM
Taking their time, bit like announcing our senior management.

I thought this was an automatic system where referees texted the results of games to servasport, I think, who run all countys systems.  No one should have to input results and we should not have to wait until they go 'UP'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 25, 2015, 09:52:02 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 25, 2015, 09:14:34 PM
Taking their time, bit like announcing our senior management.

I thought this was an automatic system where referees texted the results of games to servasport, I think, who run all countys systems.  No one should have to input results and we should not have to wait until they go 'UP'.

Its the "Down way" half arsed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 25, 2015, 09:53:10 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on October 25, 2015, 09:08:30 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 25, 2015, 09:03:37 PM
downgaa.net

They're not up yet.

The old people.down website is stil better on results than the new one. Had results up at 2pm this afternoon!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 25, 2015, 09:54:38 PM
If some of you would get the balls out of your eyes you might find the results on the county website.

12 00 PM   Downpatrick   RGU DOWNPATRICK 2-12   -   3-12 CLONDUFF   Gabriel Tumilty
12 00 PM   Pettit Park   ROSTREVOR 4-12   -   2-8 NEWRY SHAMROCKS   Gavin Finnegan
12 00 PM   An Riocht           AN RIOCHT 0-0   -   CONC LOUGHINISLAND   TBC
12 00 PM   Saul                   SAUL 2-14   -   3-11 BURREN (ST. MARY'S)   Leo Smyth
12 00 PM   Páirc Liam Uí Ír   CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA 2-14   -   2-5 BRYANSFORD   Ciaran Mooney
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 25, 2015, 10:06:17 PM
Quote from: Predictor on October 25, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
So with new managers on the agenda atm

whos managing who for next year?
Division 1
Burren=  Jody Gormley
Bryansford=Jody Gormley
Ballyholland=Jody Gormley
Kilcoo=Jody Gormley
Mayobridge=Jody Gormley
Glenn=Jody Gormley
CPN=Jody Gormley
Clonduff=Jody Gormley
Castlewellan=Jody Gormley
Saval=Jody Gormley
LongstoJody Gormleym
Ballymartin= Jody Gormley

Division 2
RGU Downpatrick=Jody Gormley
Rostrevor=Jody Gormley
Annaclone=Jody Gormley
Liatroim=Jody Gormley
Clann na Banna=Jody Gormley
Loughinisland= Jody Gormley
Darragh Cross= Jody Gormley
Tullylish= Jody Gormley
Bredagh=Jody Gormley
An Riocht= Jody Gormley
Carryduff=Jody Gormley
St. John's=Jody Gormley

Division 3
Attical=
Drumaness=
Bosco=
Saul=
Dromara=
Shamrocks=
Kilclief=
Drumgath=
Glassdrumman=
Teconnaught=

Division 4
Aughlisnafin=
Dundrum=
Mitchels=
Ardglass=
St pauls=
Bright=
St Michaels=
Aghaderg=
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 25, 2015, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 25, 2015, 10:06:17 PM
Quote from: Predictor on October 25, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
So with new managers on the agenda atm

whos managing who for next year?
Division 1
Burren=  Jody Gormley
Bryansford=Jody Gormley
Ballyholland=Jody Gormley
Kilcoo=Jody Gormley
Mayobridge=Jody Gormley
Glenn=Jody Gormley
CPN=Jody Gormley
Clonduff=Jody Gormley
Castlewellan=Jody Gormley
Saval=Jody Gormley
LongstoJody Gormleym
Ballymartin= Jody Gormley

Division 2
RGU Downpatrick=Jody Gormley
Rostrevor=Jody Gormley
Annaclone=Jody Gormley
Liatroim=Jody Gormley
Clann na Banna=Jody Gormley
Loughinisland= Jody Gormley
Darragh Cross= Jody Gormley
Tullylish= Jody Gormley
Bredagh=Jody Gormley
An Riocht= Jody Gormley
Carryduff=Jody Gormley
St. John's=Jody Gormley

Division 3
Attical=
Drumaness=
Bosco=
Saul=
Dromara=
Shamrocks=
Kilclief=
Drumgath=
Glassdrumman=
Teconnaught=

Division 4
Aughlisnafin=
Dundrum=
Mitchels=
Ardglass=
St pauls=
Bright=
St Michaels=
Aghaderg=
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar

Bit mad that - who will he manage when Kilcoo play Burren next year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 25, 2015, 10:30:56 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 25, 2015, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 25, 2015, 10:06:17 PM
Quote from: Predictor on October 25, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
So with new managers on the agenda atm

whos managing who for next year?
Division 1
Burren=  Jody Gormley
Bryansford=Jody Gormley
Ballyholland=Jody Gormley
Kilcoo=Jody Gormley
Mayobridge=Jody Gormley
Glenn=Jody Gormley
CPN=Jody Gormley
Clonduff=Jody Gormley
Castlewellan=Jody Gormley
Saval=Jody Gormley
LongstoJody Gormleym
Ballymartin= Jody Gormley

Division 2
RGU Downpatrick=Jody Gormley
Rostrevor=Jody Gormley
Annaclone=Jody Gormley
Liatroim=Jody Gormley
Clann na Banna=Jody Gormley
Loughinisland= Jody Gormley
Darragh Cross= Jody Gormley
Tullylish= Jody Gormley
Bredagh=Jody Gormley
An Riocht= Jody Gormley
Carryduff=Jody Gormley
St. John's=Jody Gormley

Division 3
Attical=
Drumaness=
Bosco=
Saul=
Dromara=
Shamrocks=
Kilclief=
Drumgath=
Glassdrumman=
Teconnaught=

Division 4
Aughlisnafin=
Dundrum=
Mitchels=
Ardglass=
St pauls=
Bright=
St Michaels=
Aghaderg=
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar

Bit mad that - who will he manage when Kilcoo play Burren next year?
Who ever he wants. As far as I am concerned he is managing Bredagh, end off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 26, 2015, 08:57:01 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 25, 2015, 09:54:38 PM
If some of you would get the balls out of your eyes you might find the results on the county website.

12 00 PM   Downpatrick   RGU DOWNPATRICK 2-12   -   3-12 CLONDUFF   Gabriel Tumilty
12 00 PM   Pettit Park   ROSTREVOR 4-12   -   2-8 NEWRY SHAMROCKS   Gavin Finnegan
12 00 PM   An Riocht           AN RIOCHT 0-0   -   CONC LOUGHINISLAND   TBC
12 00 PM   Saul                   SAUL 2-14   -   3-11 BURREN (ST. MARY'S)   Leo Smyth
12 00 PM   Páirc Liam Uí Ír   CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA 2-14   -   2-5 BRYANSFORD   Ciaran Mooney

I had a good look and they had no results from Sunday's matches up when I posted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 26, 2015, 02:48:45 PM
Bit of a surprise Burren only drawing with Saul. Would have thought Burren to be one of the stronger teams in this age group this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 26, 2015, 03:19:50 PM
Quote from: elk on October 26, 2015, 02:48:45 PM
Bit of a surprise Burren only drawing with Saul. Would have thought Burren to be one of the stronger teams in this age group this year.

Thats a Saul & Darragh Cross amalgamated team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on October 26, 2015, 03:42:14 PM
It looks like the next Down Senior Football Manager will be Eamon Burns lads.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on October 26, 2015, 04:20:38 PM
A great servant of Down Football - good luck to him..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 26, 2015, 05:42:08 PM
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=245982

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/34637607
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 26, 2015, 06:48:19 PM
Quote from: A man from Down on October 26, 2015, 03:42:14 PM
It looks like the next Down Senior Football Manager will be Eamon Burns lads.

Walsh has pulled out for some reason and now Burns seems to be the front runner.

Could someone explain to me why we are all hearing these rumours and this whole thing is being played out in public?  In Derry, Damien Barton came out of nowhere and was appointed, no one seemed to know he was even in for it.  In Down, we know every move and every man who is interested.  There are only a select few who actually know what is going on and some of these individuals must be speaking out out of turn.  Absolutely the wrong thing to be doing and not helping the, already poor, credibility of Down County Board.  Shambles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 26, 2015, 06:51:23 PM
We don't know every move that's the thing. No one had a clue what was going on, hence the off the mark predictions and people thinking they are in the know over the last week or two. Today is the first day Burns has been mentioned anywhere. Who knows how long it's been going on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 26, 2015, 07:43:12 PM
Another journeyman! Previous success.Zero! Ambition of Down.Zero!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on October 26, 2015, 08:11:38 PM
@SamFever - who are you expecting? I have spoke to a number of men who have managed at club level within the county, and the response has been the same - there's no queue of men interested in the job. In fact I would go so far as to say the Co Board will be glad to get anyone at this stage. No call to be slagging off Eamonn Burns. How many managers in the county have had success? Let's go through them using championship success over last 15 years
McCorry - treated horribly by Co Board and also this Board
Dawson - would appear that majority of this Board don't want him either
Mickey Linden - doesn't appear to want it
Jackie McManus - does he still manage?
Think Bryansford had a win in 2003??? - can't remember manager - was it Eamonn?

Should we appoint an outsider? Personally speaking no - think we should save as much ££££ as possible until we are in a better position financially and playing wise.
Straight question Sam - would you take the job?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on October 26, 2015, 08:31:20 PM
Eamonn trained that team in 03.
Well said leonardo!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 26, 2015, 09:07:18 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on October 26, 2015, 08:11:38 PM
@SamFever - who are you expecting? I have spoke to a number of men who have managed at club level within the county, and the response has been the same - there's no queue of men interested in the job. In fact I would go so far as to say the Co Board will be glad to get anyone at this stage. No call to be slagging off Eamonn Burns. How many managers in the county have had success? Let's go through them using championship success over last 15 years
McCorry - treated horribly by Co Board and also this Board
Dawson - would appear that majority of this Board don't want him either
Mickey Linden - doesn't appear to want it
Jackie McManus - does he still manage?
Think Bryansford had a win in 2003??? - can't remember manager - was it Eamonn?

Should we appoint an outsider? Personally speaking no - think we should save as much ££££ as possible until we are in a better position financially and playing wise.
Straight question Sam - would you take the job?
And a straight answer back-No but I don't think Eamon Burns should either. No offence but he has neither the charisma nor ability to do so and is better suited to doing what he has been doing,getting a few £'s from lunatic Clubs in the middle layers of Down Club Football!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on October 26, 2015, 09:32:55 PM
So that's me and Sam both out of the running ;D
Don't get me wrong, Eamonns record at managerial level isn't outstanding, but he has managed teams for a while now,and he has played the game to a very high level. If he gets the job, I will wish him well.
I go back to my original post, it's not a very appealing job. It's a full time post these days, and the scrutiny from the media and from the public is intense.
I'm away now to play FIFA - trying to succeed where Brendan Rodgers failed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 26, 2015, 09:34:29 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 26, 2015, 09:07:18 PM
No offence but he has neither the charisma nor ability to do so and is better suited to doing what he has been doing,getting a few £'s from lunatic Clubs in the middle layers of Down Club Football!

No offence, but you must be pretty clueless to not be able to see that the job is seen as a poison chalice.

Expectations within the county are completely out of line with the standards of the playing pool and the county board have shown their word to be worth f__k all and their patience to be non-existent.

Eamonn Burns is doing the county board a favour by bailing them out of a mess completely of their own making.

They should never have undermined McCorry* and to be honest, there are a number of f__kwits on this board who probably affected the thinking of some of the more gullible board members in that vote of no-confidence.

*and definitely never undermined him without a plan.


Good luck to Eamonn Burns if he does take it - he'll need all the luck going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 26, 2015, 09:44:17 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on October 26, 2015, 09:34:29 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 26, 2015, 09:07:18 PM
No offence but he has neither the charisma nor ability to do so and is better suited to doing what he has been doing,getting a few £'s from lunatic Clubs in the middle layers of Down Club Football!

No offence, but you must be pretty clueless to not be able to see that the job is seen as a poison chalice.

Expectations within the county are completely out of line with the standards of the playing pool and the county board have shown their word to be worth f__k all and their patience to be non-existent.

Eamonn Burns is doing the county board a favour by bailing them out of a mess completely of their own making.

They should never have undermined McCorry* and to be honest, there are a number of f__kwits on this board who probably affected the thinking of some of the more gullible board members in that vote of no-confidence.

*and definitely never undermined him without a plan.


Good luck to Eamonn Burns if he does take it - he'll need all the luck going.


Completely agree with virtually everything that has been said. It appears that nobody wants the job and Burns is throwing the county board a lifeline. Only disagreement I have is that I think McCorry probably should have gone - but ONLY if the clubs rejected him. Once the clubs ratified him that should have been the matter put to bed and the committee should have looked at the mandate given to McCorry by the clubs and backed him.

At least if he was booted by the clubs we might have a few more candidates interested and not put off by an autocratic CB committee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 26, 2015, 09:48:44 PM
We'll all wish him well but there must have been some amount of candidates asked to get as far as Eamon being the preferred choice
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 26, 2015, 10:07:49 PM
Dawson confirmed as mayobridges manager on Twitter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 26, 2015, 10:14:13 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on October 26, 2015, 09:34:29 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 26, 2015, 09:07:18 PM
No offence but he has neither the charisma nor ability to do so and is better suited to doing what he has been doing,getting a few £'s from lunatic Clubs in the middle layers of Down Club Football!

No offence, but you must be pretty clueless to not be able to see that the job is seen as a poison chalice.

Expectations within the county are completely out of line with the standards of the playing pool and the county board have shown their word to be worth f__k all and their patience to be non-existent.

Eamonn Burns is doing the county board a favour by bailing them out of a mess completely of their own making.

They should never have undermined McCorry* and to be honest, there are a number of f__kwits on this board who probably affected the thinking of some of the more gullible board members in that vote of no-confidence.

*and definitely never undermined him without a plan.


Good luck to Eamonn Burns if he does take it - he'll need all the luck going.

Right, so your reckon that we have influenced "the more gullible board members" to vote out Mc Corry.  2 things, I would like to think that most have opinions and views of their own and secondly do they even know that this site exists?  Why would they believe the crap that is spouted on here if they do follow it anyway?

Eamon Burns has always come across a decent sort, not getting wrapped up in some of the crap you see along the line.  He was a steady player and will hopefully get the respect of all the players from what he did as a Down player himself. Good luck to him, I think he might need it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on October 26, 2015, 10:16:45 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 26, 2015, 10:07:49 PM
Dawson confirmed as mayobridges manager on Twitter

That was quick 💶💰💶💰
Backward step Frank..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 26, 2015, 10:21:34 PM
 If Eamon gets the job he'll need more than good luck.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 26, 2015, 10:36:28 PM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on October 26, 2015, 10:16:45 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 26, 2015, 10:07:49 PM
Dawson confirmed as mayobridges manager on Twitter

That was quick 💶💰💶💰
Backward step Frank..
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Couldn't get Gormley
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 26, 2015, 10:41:21 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on October 26, 2015, 10:36:28 PM
Quote from: spirit0f91and94 on October 26, 2015, 10:16:45 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 26, 2015, 10:07:49 PM
Dawson confirmed as mayobridges manager on Twitter

That was quick 💶💰💶💰
Backward step Frank..
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Couldn't get Gormley

Square Ball will be delighted with that.  Hope you don't draw Liatroim in the championship next year  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on October 26, 2015, 11:29:15 PM
Has anyone thought of McCorrys Backroom team as stepping up for manager
Mark Copeland
John Morgan
Anyone else
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on October 27, 2015, 12:18:15 AM
T O Hare why Dawson can you see what the attraction is its a honest question maybe I am missing something.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on October 27, 2015, 12:47:11 AM
Quote from: gaamann on October 27, 2015, 12:18:15 AM
T O Hare why Dawson can you see what the attraction is its a honest question maybe I am missing something.
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I only manage teams in the club , I'm not that much involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 27, 2015, 07:10:32 AM
Quote from: gaamann on October 27, 2015, 12:18:15 AM
T O Hare why Dawson can you see what the attraction is its a honest question maybe I am missing something.

Why not!!!

Frank has won titles of some description wherever he has been with the exception of Longstone (although they were better than at any other time) and at Antrim (never a chance).

He won 2 in a row with Burren and whatever people think of him he has a knack of delivering.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 27, 2015, 09:01:29 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on October 26, 2015, 10:14:13 PM
Right, so your reckon that we have influenced "the more gullible board members" to vote out Mc Corry.  2 things, I would like to think that most have opinions and views of their own and secondly do they even know that this site exists? 

Of course they've opinions of their own, but in the heat of the moment after the Wexford defeat, the more radical on this board would have reinforced the more extreme board members that they were reflective of the county as a whole.

Do you really think they don't see directly or hear by proxy what is said on here?!? Numerous times there have been references to online media with regards to abuse of players, boards and management across the country.


Quote from: Line Ball on October 26, 2015, 10:14:13 PMWhy would they believe the crap that is spouted on here if they do follow it anyway

As I said; gullible. Couple that with heat of the moment and you've fellas losing the run of themselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 27, 2015, 09:18:30 AM
If the above were to even be considered plausible I would be very very worried about the whole set up.

However I don't believe it is so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 27, 2015, 11:41:46 AM
Eamon Burns. If it happens, although I would wish him all the success in the world, it would have to rank up there with the oddest appointments in GAA history.

I mean what is the CV required for a county football manager's job?

Most counties would appear to follow a logical route, which involves shortlisting people with a combination of two or more of:

a) clearly overachieving with a club team.
b) winning senior club championships.
c) getting involved then enjoying some success at a representative level (county minor or under-21, or Sigerson).
d) a strong background in coaching or physical training.
e) recently showing the leadership in county colours that earmarks them as a born winner.

In Down, the criteria would appear to begin with:

i) did you play in 1991 or 1994?
ii) do you know what the Down Way is?

Then, anything from criteria A-E above, well it's something of a bonus.

- - -

Don't get me wrong. It's difficult to find candidates in Down football, Let alone outstanding candidates. We've long bemoaned the absence of a genuine centre half-back or a full-back in our county set-up; which in itself suggests a lack of leaders. Our SFC has been monopolised for over a decade by a couple of men who for some reason, don't fit the pattern. Our juvenile structures are a mess, so a succession of minor and under-21 managers have found it tough going. QUB and the Poly appear to be stuggling to keep up with their cousins in Dublin and Cork.

So the default stance is to look back a generation or two for answers.

But here's the thing, the class of 91 and 94 have spent most of the past two decades passing around the better club jobs in Down football among themselves. Their combined success rate now is roughly the same as it was when they started out.

Using the criteria above, Wee James was by some distance the best of them, and this was proven out in how he performed as Down manager. It was no coincidence.

Unless we're going back for McCartan, It's time to stop drawing from this well.

The modern county player is asked to put in an extraordinary amount of effort to play the game. As such they fundamentally require a belief in the man who is overseeing the ship. They need to believe that he will bring the 2% that makes all the difference. If not his ship will sink: to which the strikes and fallouts in Mayo and Galway are testament.

Remember that most of our county players have never seen any of the 91-94 team actually kick a ball. Much as it might seem heinous to some people in our county, I imagine that being good at foootall once is not actually going to convince too many modern players that the 2% is coming.

The ironic thing is we actually had a manger en situ just a few months ago who actually had that impact.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on October 27, 2015, 01:19:57 PM
Still no manager in Mayo. What an absolute shambles out west  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: delgany on October 27, 2015, 08:21:05 PM
New directive  by central council is that it is desirable that inter county managers have a level3(  could be 2) qualification. Perhaps this has had an impa ct.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 27, 2015, 08:31:01 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 27, 2015, 08:21:05 PM
New directive  by central council is that it is desirable that inter county managers have a level3(  could be 2) qualification. Perhaps this has had an impa ct.
It's been a Croke Park rule that Managers don't get paid so something coming out from Croke that uses the. word 'desirable' will hardly cause a stir in Clubs or Counties
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 27, 2015, 08:45:23 PM
Don't think we can draw them in the Championship next year line ball. Will they not be in the SFC and we're in the IFC? Pity about Jody, I was in the running to take over from him  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on October 27, 2015, 10:53:14 PM
I agree with wobblers points on picking a manager. Go through them new by one
Overachievers - not many though I feel the Glenn management can be included in this category. Excellent achievement to get promoted alone, never mind staying in the Division. Anyone else come to mind?
Championship winners - I mentioned a few names previously and I think most have been dismissed
Minors etc - not much success there either, but my own opinion is that our manager should come from someone who has been involved with the underage and grows with the team similar to Harte and O' Sullivan. I know we haven't had success, but at least the coaches know what they are working with
Background in coaching - probably same as last point
County colours - agree with this. I don't think a club manager could handle a county team if he never played at county level. Unless he had a trainer with this experience

Eamonn ticks a few of the above boxes.

I still would have preferred Dawson, but now that he's gone, I would throw Cathal Murray into the mix. No particular reason other than I enjoyed watching the college teams he has been involved with. Probably needs to get the Minor or U 21 job first on his CV

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on October 27, 2015, 11:39:31 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on October 27, 2015, 10:53:14 PM
I agree with wobblers points on picking a manager. Go through them new by one
Overachievers - not many though I feel the Glenn management can be included in this category. Excellent achievement to get promoted alone, never mind staying in the Division. Anyone else come to mind?
Championship winners - I mentioned a few names previously and I think most have been dismissed
Minors etc - not much success there either, but my own opinion is that our manager should come from someone who has been involved with the underage and grows with the team similar to Harte and O' Sullivan. I know we haven't had success, but at least the coaches know what they are working with
Background in coaching - probably same as last point
County colours - agree with this. I don't think a club manager could handle a county team if he never played at county level. Unless he had a trainer with this experience

Eamonn ticks a few of the above boxes.

I still would have preferred Dawson, but now that he's gone, I would throw Cathal Murray into the mix. No particular reason other than I enjoyed watching the college teams he has been involved with. Probably needs to get the Minor or U 21 job first on his CV
I don't agree with this point. We'll see who Mayo appoint for their next Manager. Eamon Burns is someone which is better than we've had this last 10 weeks which was no one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on October 28, 2015, 09:51:37 AM
Ultimately the new manager needs to be someone that will be a draw for the best players countrywide (or most of them). I know that there are several players who for one reason or another do not take up the invite to join the county set up. These reasons also need to be looked at to see if they can be reasonably accomodated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 28, 2015, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on October 28, 2015, 09:51:37 AM
Ultimately the new manager needs to be someone that will be a draw for the best players countrywide (or most of them). I know that there are several players who for one reason or another do not take up the invite to join the county set up. These reasons also need to be looked at to see if they can be reasonably accomodated.
I think we're only allowed players from Down. ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 28, 2015, 11:21:34 AM
Expectations for Down seniors aren't exactly high among the supporting public for 2016. Very few would give us hope of retaining Div 1 status or beating Monaghan in Clones in the championship.
There seems to be a lot of criticism directed towards our county executive stemming from the McCorry mess and the appointment of a new manager.
But what difference does appointing a manager this week compared to a month ago make? Surely it was better to make a considered appointment now rather than rush in and appoint the wrong man just for the sake of getting the position filled. We can guess and second guess about the whole process but ultimately very few actually know what has been going on behind closed doors.
The county have been very quiet in terms of PR in regards to the new manager and it has been a long time since I've seen as much rumour and hearsay attached to an inter county job.
If Burns gets the gig then there is no doubt that he will command the respect of the players. Hopefully he can gel the whole thing together again and bring a few players back in from the cold.
Expectations aren't high and this just might lend itself to a more positive outcome than people are expecting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on October 28, 2015, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on October 28, 2015, 09:51:37 AM
Ultimately the new manager needs to be someone that will be a draw for the best players countrywide (or most of them). I know that there are several players who for one reason or another do not take up the invite to join the county set up. These reasons also need to be looked at to see if they can be reasonably accomodated.

Meant countywide but thanks for pointing that error out for those that are confused.

Although you may have hit on something there....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 28, 2015, 05:57:44 PM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on October 28, 2015, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on October 28, 2015, 09:51:37 AM
Ultimately the new manager needs to be someone that will be a draw for the best players countrywide (or most of them). I know that there are several players who for one reason or another do not take up the invite to join the county set up. These reasons also need to be looked at to see if they can be reasonably accomodated.

Meant countywide but thanks for pointing that error out for those that are confused.

Although you may have hit on something there....
Bring in the granny rule. 8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 29, 2015, 08:21:00 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 28, 2015, 11:21:34 AM
Expectations for Down seniors aren't exactly high among the supporting public for 2016. Very few would give us hope of retaining Div 1 status or beating Monaghan in Clones in the championship.
There seems to be a lot of criticism directed towards our county executive stemming from the McCorry mess and the appointment of a new manager.
But what difference does appointing a manager this week compared to a month ago make? Surely it was better to make a considered appointment now rather than rush in and appoint the wrong man just for the sake of getting the position filled. We can guess and second guess about the whole process but ultimately very few actually know what has been going on behind closed doors.
The county have been very quiet in terms of PR in regards to the new manager and it has been a long time since I've seen as much rumour and hearsay attached to an inter county job.
If Burns gets the gig then there is no doubt that he will command the respect of the players. Hopefully he can gel the whole thing together again and bring a few players back in from the cold.
Expectations aren't high and this just might lend itself to a more a positive outcome than people are expecting.
. 100% DF
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 29, 2015, 07:29:24 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 28, 2015, 11:21:34 AM
Expectations for Down seniors aren't exactly high among the supporting public for 2016. Very few would give us hope of retaining Div 1 status or beating Monaghan in Clones in the championship.
There seems to be a lot of criticism directed towards our county executive stemming from the McCorry mess and the appointment of a new manager.
But what difference does appointing a manager this week compared to a month ago make? Surely it was better to make a considered appointment now rather than rush in and appoint the wrong man just for the sake of getting the position filled. We can guess and second guess about the whole process but ultimately very few actually know what has been going on behind closed doors.
The county have been very quiet in terms of PR in regards to the new manager and it has been a long time since I've seen as much rumour and hearsay attached to an inter county job.
If Burns gets the gig then there is no doubt that he will command the respect of the players. Hopefully he can gel the whole thing together again and bring a few players back in from the cold.
Expectations aren't high and this just might lend itself to a more positive outcome than people are expecting.
You've got very mellow all of a sudden DF- are you Ok? The whole process has taken far too long.
Your point about it not mattering if a Manager was appointed this week or a month would be valid usually but after the farce of Mc Corry's,the longer it goes on the more difficult it'll become!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on October 29, 2015, 08:00:02 PM
Most club management teams will have met with the senior squads at this stage so to suggest it doesn't matter that Down have no manager in place is quite bizarre.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on October 29, 2015, 08:36:08 PM
Quote from: gaamann on October 29, 2015, 08:00:02 PM
Most club management teams will have met with the senior squads at this stage so to suggest it doesn't matter that Down have no manager in place is quite bizarre.

Clonduff, Saval, Longstone, Bryansford and Rostrevor certainly haven't as they have yet to appoint new managers and I am sure there are plenty of others in Div 2, 3 & 4.

From what I hear, the Eamon Burns appointment may not be as straight forward as we think. I reckon they should keep some of those tubes in the Crum and never let them out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 29, 2015, 10:42:41 PM
Line Ball's suggestion of yet another delay over the appointment may be on the money as there was talk of an announcement tonight but it looks as though nothing will happen before next week. There should be a return to training due shortly for a county squad which does not yet exist so we really need to get our act together.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 29, 2015, 11:33:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 29, 2015, 10:42:41 PM
Line Ball's suggestion of yet another delay over the appointment may be on the money as there was talk of an announcement tonight but it looks as though nothing will happen before next week. There should be a return to training due shortly for a county squad which does not yet exist so we really need to get our act together.
Time is running out before we nominate Kilcoo to represent us in the McKenna Cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on October 30, 2015, 12:57:37 AM
Quote from: SamFever on October 29, 2015, 11:33:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 29, 2015, 10:42:41 PM
Line Ball's suggestion of yet another delay over the appointment may be on the money as there was talk of an announcement tonight but it looks as though nothing will happen before next week. There should be a return to training due shortly for a county squad which does not yet exist so we really need to get our act together.
Time is running out before we nominate Kilcoo to represent us in the McKenna Cup.
It'd be good prep. for the All-Ireland Club series and then they can take over for the NFL
with the USFC and Qualifiers getting them in shape for the Down SFC in 2016.All sorted.Disband the selection committee.UTM.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 31, 2015, 10:16:13 AM
Quote from: wobbller on October 26, 2015, 09:48:44 PM
We'll all wish him well but there must have been some amount of candidates asked to get as far as Eamon being the preferred choice
All gone quiet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on November 01, 2015, 04:34:03 PM
Great day for Down football all 3 teams winning. Let's hope they can follow up on CPN ulster win last yr
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 01, 2015, 05:04:28 PM
well done to all 3 down teams today. kilcoo v cross should be tasty in the next round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 01, 2015, 06:37:40 PM
Three fine wins for the Down representatives today and hopefully at least one can go all the way. Our record in then club championships is pretty dreadful, with no senior success since 1988, a blank in the IFC until Warrenpoint's win last year  and no Down team even making the final since the junior grade was launched in 2004, so we are well overdue another title. Kilcoo and Cross is quite a prospect and would pack out Newry if it was staged there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 01, 2015, 06:59:28 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 01, 2015, 06:37:40 PM
Three fine wins for the Down representatives today and hopefully at least one can go all the way. Our record in then club championships is pretty dreadful, with no senior success since 1988, a blank in the IFC until Warrenpoint's win last year  and no Down team even making the final since the junior grade was launched in 2004, so we are well overdue another title. Kilcoo and Cross is quite a prospect and would pack out Newry if it was staged there.

Kilcoo have it in them to beat Crossmaglen who on what I seen today are definitely not the force they were.
Loughinisland have been impressive but another tough tie lies ahead in Doohamlet.
Glasdrumman have drawn Rockcorry and it could be the end of the road for the Mourne lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on November 02, 2015, 09:51:55 AM
I don't agree with this point. We'll see who Mayo appoint for their next Manager. Eamon Burns is someone which is better than we've had this last 10 weeks which was no one.

Stephen Rochford, won all Ireland club as a player with crossmolina and as a manager with corofin and big chance he will do back to back with them this year. don't think he played for mayo seniors though, but could be wrong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 02, 2015, 11:24:06 AM
With Kilcoo's progress and the fact that the other two Down champions are managed by Kilcoo men is there a lesson for the County Board ? While it would be very difficult to be objective, could Conor Laverty play a role in whatever management team is eventually put in place ? Reading the Jim McGuiness book it was scary to see the level of commitment and knowledge required for a successful county manager. Laverty is a certainty for management when his playing career finishes but I think he would have a lot to bring to a Down setup in some capacity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 02, 2015, 11:42:54 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 02, 2015, 11:24:06 AM
With Kilcoo's progress and the fact that the other two Down champions are managed by Kilcoo men is there a lesson for the County Board ? While it would be very difficult to be objective, could Conor Laverty play a role in whatever management team is eventually put in place ? Reading the Jim McGuiness book it was scary to see the level of commitment and knowledge required for a successful county manager. Laverty is a certainty for management when his playing career finishes but I think he would have a lot to bring to a Down setup in some capacity.

Having a current player in the management setup is a recipe for disaster in my opinion. The senior players should obviously be consulted and allowed to express their opinions constructively to management, but I think actually bringing one of them into the management team or the selection committee is a step too far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 02, 2015, 12:54:15 PM
well done to the three winners yesterday, shows down football is not as bad as everyone portrays. On the manager saga, Burns has been offered the job which is a crazy appointment but a cheap one, the problem now is he cannot get anyone to commit to a backroom team. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 03, 2015, 10:51:30 AM
Anyone get to read the letter sent out by Sean O'G in relation to the proposed changes in juvenile age grades for the next three years?

I believe the clubs are being asked to mandate their club reps to vote on it this Thursday evening, but there is very little detail in the letter and there are not many stats on this supposed drop out rate of 58% from age 12 to 22 and how much of that percentage is actual burnout and not just other attritional reasons.
Do we know the current Down drop out rate or how we are meant to know if this trial is a success or not after the three year period?

Not sure how this is meant to work either as there's the same amount of age groups and the introduction of an U15 team means that we've now three age groups impacted at exam time(15's, 17's and 19's) as opposed to the two currently.

Plus both East Down and South Down run either U13 or U12.5 teams in the latter months of the year anyway, so are the CCC going to put an end to this practice if they decide to run U12, U14's instead!!


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 03, 2015, 11:37:44 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 03, 2015, 10:51:30 AM
Anyone get to read the letter sent out by Sean O'G in relation to the proposed changes in juvenile age grades for the next three years?

I believe the clubs are being asked to mandate their club reps to vote on it this Thursday evening, but there is very little detail in the letter and there are not many stats on this supposed drop out rate of 58% from age 12 to 22 and how much of that percentage is actual burnout and not just other attritional reasons.
Do we know the current Down drop out rate or how we are meant to know if this trial is a success or not after the three year period?

Not sure how this is meant to work either as there's the same amount of age groups and the introduction of an U15 team means that we've now three age groups impacted at exam time(15's, 17's and 19's) as opposed to the two currently.

Plus both East Down and South Down run either U13 or U12.5 teams in the latter months of the year anyway, so are the CCC going to put an end to this practice if they decide to run U12, U14's instead!!
I think the introduction of an u19 age group has little value, not least try to find a playing window that doesn't impact on club senior teams, county, schools,colleges.
Perhaps tweaking with age groups could be of value , but only if preplanned, or perhaps retaining current age groups and staggering them with the new age group, eg 16s in March april , u17s June july( though logistically this would probably be difficult).
The strongest argument against parachuting in new age groups for teenagers , is that weaker players will miss out . Eg a "weaker" u15 this  year , who got little football at u16 level , would be looking forward to being an older/stronger u16 next year, however the proposed changes prevent that, and the risk is that he will lose interest. In short the proposed changes, if they occur immediately, are likely to increase dropout , if commenced at say u10 level, and eventually get thru to teenage groups it might be of benefit. Bottom line is that it's far too risky for us to experiment with untested proposals
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on November 03, 2015, 02:01:54 PM
Can someone please explain what benefit these proposed changes are going to make to all stakeholders ie. players, clubs, county teams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 03, 2015, 02:08:37 PM
Ok so writing while thinking on these proposals.
Who/What will it impact negatively -
It will impact on the weaker player as outlined above, but only for one year.
There will be upheaval in the older age groups.  The traditional minor team is now gone - just disappears overnight. Will under 19 be seen as the replacement to this, or will it go the way of the under 21 and be a farce of a league. 
University goers have to come from for u19 training! That will be fun.
Clubs rely heavily on getting 2/3 new players out of minors each year.  This will now be delayed by another year as players will have to play under 19.  I foresee hard times ahead for reserve teams especially.
County/Club Ulster competitions.  Just makes it awkward to compete in these as the players are never at the one age group in that year.  So 2016 minors will be based on 2015 u17 players.  Cant see this being any benefit to our own County anyway.

What benefits are there.
IF (and thats a big IF), under 19's worked out as they hope, it would keep players on another year into their adult life and might reduce the traditional drop off that occurs after minor football.
I think thats the only benefit that would come from the change and its certainly not a given - oh and the county gets £5k. 

Too much doubt surrounds actual reason for change and £5k is not enough to offset that doubt for me. For that reason  - I'm Out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 03, 2015, 02:22:58 PM
Quote from: downup on November 03, 2015, 02:01:54 PM
Can someone please explain what benefit these proposed changes are going to make to all stakeholders ie. players, clubs, county teams?

Ultimately, participation numbers is the key marker of a sport's health. So like all sports, the GAA has an important task in minimising player burnout and drop-outs.

Somebody somewhere has put forward a case that that the longstanding age group brackets is a likely cause of player drop-outs. Nobody* can actually prove or disprove this theory until the water is tested, so in the time-honoured fashion of economic experiments, a sweetener has been put on the table for any counties that will dip their toes.

When setting this process in motion, personally I don't believe that central council, Down GAA or our clubs realised just how havoc it would cause for the group of players who should have been in their last year of minors.

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* When I say nobody, in all honesty the theory is a crock of horse shit. There are three main reasons for player dropouts between the ages of 16 and 20 and none of them have anything to do with juvenile football.

1. Most clubs outside Dublin only have two or three adult teams, which means that if a youth structure is actually delivering players in abundance (8-10 per annum), they will also actually have nowhere to go. In any given week you cannot expect the majority of your adult players not to play, and that's what would happen if you had unusually strong player retention.

2. Ask 10 full-time students to travel home 2-3 times per week, all year round, for a local commitment. How many of them do you realistically expect to fulfil this request? So why would we expect GAA players to be any different, while simultaneously making it so difficult for them to transfer to another (university area) club while they are a student?

3. The most important one. Gaelic football is absolutely no fun to play unless you are physically fit, otherwise you will be exposed by just about any opponent. Maintaining physical fitness requires dedication, commitment and control. These are not things that come easily to the average teenager, and to a large amount of teenagers, will never come at all.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 03, 2015, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 03, 2015, 02:22:58 PM
Quote from: downup on November 03, 2015, 02:01:54 PM
Can someone please explain what benefit these proposed changes are going to make to all stakeholders ie. players, clubs, county teams?

Ultimately, participation numbers is the key marker of a sport's health. So like all sports, the GAA has an important task in minimising player burnout and drop-outs.

Somebody somewhere has put forward a case that that the longstanding age group brackets is a likely cause of player drop-outs. Nobody* can actually prove or disprove this theory until the water is tested, so in the time-honoured fashion of economic experiments, a sweetener has been put on the table for any counties that will dip their toes.

When setting this process in motion, personally I don't believe that central council, Down GAA or our clubs realised just how havoc it would cause for the group of players who should have been in their last year of minors.

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* When I say nobody, in all honesty the theory is a crock of horse shit. There are three main reasons for player dropouts between the ages of 16 and 20 and none of them have anything to do with juvenile football.

1. Most clubs outside Dublin only have two or three adult teams, which means that if a youth structure is actually delivering players in abundance (8-10 per annum), they will also actually have nowhere to go. In any given week you cannot expect the majority of your adult players not to play, and that's what would happen if you had unusually strong player retention.

2. Ask 10 full-time students to travel home 2-3 times per week, all year round, for a local commitment. How many of them do you realistically expect to fulfil this request? So why would we expect GAA players to be any different, while simultaneously making it so difficult for them to transfer to another (university area) club while they are a student?

3. The most important one. Gaelic football is absolutely no fun to play unless you are physically fit, otherwise you will be exposed by just about any opponent. Maintaining physical fitness requires dedication, commitment and control. These are not things that come easily to the average teenager, and to a large amount of teenagers, will never come at all.
Have to agree with 6thSam and the wobbler-this is an experiment to see will children drop out of our games as much by introducing new age limits.The world has changed a lot and reading Paddy Heaney's Irish News column today it shows that it really is not the GAA's fault about drop-off-it's just the new world of instant info on smart phones and people not really caring about anything anyone. Depressing stuff. I'd love to hear the views of any Down poster under the age of 20 on here but this Forum would be all too "old hat" and boring for them.
    We've more chance of trying to keep the youth engaged in our games with the existing age-groups than we have by introducing some new and alien format to them and indeed to their parents and Coaches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 03, 2015, 03:30:48 PM
I think Down CB should set up an online survey for every juvenile player from the ages of 12 to 20, give them a unique ID, and ask each and every one then number of teams they play for (both codes), schools, universities, development squads, intercounty teams as well as club teams, numbers of weekly training sessions and repeat the exercise at the end of each year of the trial period and see how's dropped out and whether its related to burn out or over training.

Otherwise how are they and Croke Park going to know whether this project is a success or not (that's if we take the 5K, pretty paltry and all that it is).

I have to say I liked this line in the email;

"•   Are we just afraid of Change? Because change will ultimately happen in Under age Structures and here we have a chance to be innovators of change."

Is this some sort of quilt complex where we're not forward thinking to go for it.

For me I just don't see how these changes are going to address the issues they're meant to address, they're just window shopping, but the issue (if there is one) of burnout will still be there.

From a hurling perspective lack of fixtures throughout the year is a bigger issue with player drop out than too many as our U16's played their last league match back on the 5th of July and their one and only championship game at the end of August, that's the whole summer with no fixtures, burn out certainly wasn't the issue..

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 03, 2015, 04:43:16 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 03, 2015, 04:18:10 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 03, 2015, 03:30:48 PM
I think Down CB should set up an online survey for every juvenile player from the ages of 12 to 20, give them a unique ID, and ask each and every one then number of teams they play for (both codes), schools, universities, development squads, intercounty teams as well as club teams, numbers of weekly training sessions and repeat the exercise at the end of each year of the trial period and see how's dropped out and whether its related to burn out or over training.

Otherwise how are they and Croke Park going to know whether this project is a success or not (that's if we take the 5K, pretty paltry and all that it is).

I have to say I liked this line in the email;

"•   Are we just afraid of Change? Because change will ultimately happen in Under age Structures and here we have a chance to be innovators of change."

Is this some sort of quilt complex where we're not forward thinking to go for it.

For me I just don't see how these changes are going to address the issues they're meant to address, they're just window shopping, but the issue (if there is one) of burnout will still be there.

From a hurling perspective lack of fixtures throughout the year is a bigger issue with player drop out than too many as our U16's played their last league match back on the 5th of July and their one and only championship game at the end of August, that's the whole summer with no fixtures, burn out certainly wasn't the issue..
Will the proposed age-groups help in any way to solve the bizarre goings on in relation to the Mageean Cup where the Down Schools team's Semi-final wasn't  played because the Down Minor Hurling Final clashed in and around  the date of this Semi-final, the date of which was fixed around June time by the Ulster Colleges Council?
  6 TEAMS contested the MHC which began on AUGUST 19th and took 8 WEEKS to complete.

In that particular instance the left hand wasn't talking to the right as right in the middle of the minor club championship we had Down minor hurlers competing in the AI B championship meaning we'd championship games fixed for the wednesday night before the county minors playing on the saturday after, hence games were moved around plus Newry were also going well in the minor football and that wasn't messed about with at all!
Even the fixing for the final was right up to the last minute as on the thursday night a venue wasn't even secured for that Sunday.
So no, I can't see how the changing of the age groups can resolve a very much more fundamental issue of lack of a master fixtures list for underage hurling in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 03, 2015, 08:32:46 PM
kilcoo v cross confirmed for newry, kilcoo won the toss.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on November 04, 2015, 01:27:34 AM
On the juvenile  age groups changing, i think its silly for a couple reasons
I'm 20 years old, i come from a smallish club and we struggle from time to time at underage with numbers already so this will make it worse

-Be hard for team with small numbers to field at U19 as of one away to uni( which means no games which will make other boys lose interest)
-Few senior teams may struggle when expecting a crowd of new young lads coming thru to strengthen the squad numbers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on November 04, 2015, 01:52:52 AM
new proposals will be a disaster.

unless its done across the board its going to disadvantage the pilot guinea pig counties

and if after 3 years the GAA says ok right thanks guinea pigs, that its not for us, the road back will be as long

for that reason Down should vote a resounding NO

concentrate on getting our county set up to scratch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: C Carr on November 04, 2015, 10:36:19 AM
I don't understand why Jackie Lynch hasn't been brought back onto the down set up, he suited the tactics Jim McCorry was trying to play and no doubt he will suit Eamon Burns' set up. No doubt he is in the top 3 midfielders in the county at this rate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on November 04, 2015, 12:18:10 PM
Quote from: C Carr on November 04, 2015, 10:36:19 AM
I don't understand why Jackie Lynch hasn't been brought back onto the down set up, he suited the tactics Jim McCorry was trying to play and no doubt he will suit Eamon Burns' set up. No doubt he is in the top 3 midfielders in the county at this rate.
Not sure I have seen this lad play. What club does he play for, so I can watch out for him next season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 04, 2015, 12:52:15 PM
Jackie Lynch is a big, strong midfielder with Drumgath, who had a prolonged run for Down in both the league and championship under Ross Carr seven or eight years ago. He was worth a look but pace, as is usually the case when a player is asked to step up a grade, was a problem and very few people outside his own club would be expecting that he could feature again at county level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Born Ready on November 04, 2015, 12:56:24 PM
On the new proposals, I personally think they could be worth a go. On the topic of boys coming home from uni I think these changes could actually help in some cases. The majority of boys in uni over the water are gonna miss football for most of the year no matter what tea they would be playing for but in terms of coming back from Belfast or the south for training and matches, surely a 19 year old would be more willing to go back for a team he would be a key player for rather than a senior team he is nowhere near even competing for a place on. The u19 could be run off with leagues of 8 or 9 teams and then a knockout championship which would only mean around 10-12 games for most clubs to play which is handy enough to work around for a senior team for the few players in each team that would have a chance of playing senior balland imo more football for these lads would benefit them if they were playing for the senior team.but still enough of a season to entice lads at 19 to play, and if that works out for them you'll have boys with an extra year of football under the belts and who are a lot closer to challenging for a senior team. The age groups below shouldn't take much adapting to odd number age groups.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 04, 2015, 01:06:53 PM
Quote from: C Carr on November 04, 2015, 10:36:19 AM
I don't understand why Jackie Lynch hasn't been brought back onto the down set up, he suited the tactics Jim McCorry was trying to play and no doubt he will suit Eamon Burns' set up. No doubt he is in the top 3 midfielders in the county at this rate.
Sweet Je-us! We've no County Manager appointed yet and you are wondering about a now dOWN Div 3 ex-County player who is well past it and wasn't good enough when in his prime.
What a great first post.I look forward to you reading more from you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 04, 2015, 01:21:28 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 03, 2015, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 03, 2015, 02:22:58 PM
Quote from: downup on November 03, 2015, 02:01:54 PM
Can someone please explain what benefit these proposed changes are going to make to all stakeholders ie. players, clubs, county teams?

Ultimately, participation numbers is the key marker of a sport's health. So like all sports, the GAA has an important task in minimising player burnout and drop-outs.

Somebody somewhere has put forward a case that that the longstanding age group brackets is a likely cause of player drop-outs. Nobody* can actually prove or disprove this theory until the water is tested, so in the time-honoured fashion of economic experiments, a sweetener has been put on the table for any counties that will dip their toes.

When setting this process in motion, personally I don't believe that central council, Down GAA or our clubs realised just how havoc it would cause for the group of players who should have been in their last year of minors.

---

* When I say nobody, in all honesty the theory is a crock of horse shit. There are three main reasons for player dropouts between the ages of 16 and 20 and none of them have anything to do with juvenile football.

1. Most clubs outside Dublin only have two or three adult teams, which means that if a youth structure is actually delivering players in abundance (8-10 per annum), they will also actually have nowhere to go. In any given week you cannot expect the majority of your adult players not to play, and that's what would happen if you had unusually strong player retention.

2. Ask 10 full-time students to travel home 2-3 times per week, all year round, for a local commitment. How many of them do you realistically expect to fulfil this request? So why would we expect GAA players to be any different, while simultaneously making it so difficult for them to transfer to another (university area) club while they are a student?

3. The most important one. Gaelic football is absolutely no fun to play unless you are physically fit, otherwise you will be exposed by just about any opponent. Maintaining physical fitness requires dedication, commitment and control. These are not things that come easily to the average teenager, and to a large amount of teenagers, will never come at all.
Have to agree with 6thSam and the wobbler-this is an experiment to see will children drop out of our games as much by introducing new age limits.The world has changed a lot and reading Paddy Heaney's Irish News column today it shows that it really is not the GAA's fault about drop-off-it's just the new world of instant info on smart phones and people not really caring about anything anyone. Depressing stuff. I'd love to hear the views of any Down poster under the age of 20 on here but this Forum would be all too "old hat" and boring for them.
    We've more chance of trying to keep the youth engaged in our games with the existing age-groups than we have by introducing some new and alien format to them and indeed to their parents and Coaches.

I'm 19 and I think the article isn't really that accurate as it seems to describe virtually the same emotions I went through when I was a bit younger. I would have played football with my friends on the road or in someone's garden, and when football started to become serious (around U16s), when I wasn't/when I'm not injured I still did and do try and get out to the pitch with a couple of friends to improve our ball skills at least once a week if possible.

I think the age boundary changes are mental though. U19s will be a disaster - half the team will be at college in either Belfast, Dublin or across the water. Getting home from Belfast for training isn't too bad but getting home from Dublin is a nightmare and abroad is impossible - once assignments, readings etc are added into this it's nearly impossible to find the time. I just have to hope that my timetable has me finishing before 4pm on the night training is on and starting after 11 the next day. No football for me these days because my timetable doesn't allow it - this could be the situation for half an U19 team.

This would just be made worse if U17 becomes the new minor underage and U19 is confined to a secondary competition - which it will be when 50% of a panel may be unavailable or at least unavailable during the week.

A far better option, I think, would be to move U21s to the summer time, playing a league match every second weekend or so, when most people are at home and able to train/play - in good conditions, OK relatively warm and hopefully sunny days - not in horizontal, lashing rain on a frozen or semi waterlogged pitch. It's a good way of keeping up with the football, meeting your school friends who may be living miles away these days and keeping interest going without having to travel five or six hours (minimum) a week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 04, 2015, 11:55:52 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 04, 2015, 01:21:28 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 03, 2015, 03:03:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 03, 2015, 02:22:58 PM
Quote from: downup on November 03, 2015, 02:01:54 PM
Can someone please explain what benefit these proposed changes are going to make to all stakeholders ie. players, clubs, county teams?

Ultimately, participation numbers is the key marker of a sport's health. So like all sports, the GAA has an important task in minimising player burnout and drop-outs.

Somebody somewhere has put forward a case that that the longstanding age group brackets is a likely cause of player drop-outs. Nobody* can actually prove or disprove this theory until the water is tested, so in the time-honoured fashion of economic experiments, a sweetener has been put on the table for any counties that will dip their toes.

When setting this process in motion, personally I don't believe that central council, Down GAA or our clubs realised just how havoc it would cause for the group of players who should have been in their last year of minors.

---

* When I say nobody, in all honesty the theory is a crock of horse shit. There are three main reasons for player dropouts between the ages of 16 and 20 and none of them have anything to do with juvenile football.

1. Most clubs outside Dublin only have two or three adult teams, which means that if a youth structure is actually delivering players in abundance (8-10 per annum), they will also actually have nowhere to go. In any given week you cannot expect the majority of your adult players not to play, and that's what would happen if you had unusually strong player retention.

2. Ask 10 full-time students to travel home 2-3 times per week, all year round, for a local commitment. How many of them do you realistically expect to fulfil this request? So why would we expect GAA players to be any different, while simultaneously making it so difficult for them to transfer to another (university area) club while they are a student?

3. The most important one. Gaelic football is absolutely no fun to play unless you are physically fit, otherwise you will be exposed by just about any opponent. Maintaining physical fitness requires dedication, commitment and control. These are not things that come easily to the average teenager, and to a large amount of teenagers, will never come at all.
Have to agree with 6thSam and the wobbler-this is an experiment to see will children drop out of our games as much by introducing new age limits.The world has changed a lot and reading Paddy Heaney's Irish News column today it shows that it really is not the GAA's fault about drop-off-it's just the new world of instant info on smart phones and people not really caring about anything anyone. Depressing stuff. I'd love to hear the views of any Down poster under the age of 20 on here but this Forum would be all too "old hat" and boring for them.
    We've more chance of trying to keep the youth engaged in our games with the existing age-groups than we have by introducing some new and alien format to them and indeed to their parents and Coaches.

I'm 19 and I think the article isn't really that accurate as it seems to describe virtually the same emotions I went through when I was a bit younger. I would have played football with my friends on the road or in someone's garden, and when football started to become serious (around U16s), when I wasn't/when I'm not injured I still did and do try and get out to the pitch with a couple of friends to improve our ball skills at least once a week if possible.

I think the age boundary changes are mental though. U19s will be a disaster - half the team will be at college in either Belfast, Dublin or across the water. Getting home from Belfast for training isn't too bad but getting home from Dublin is a nightmare and abroad is impossible - once assignments, readings etc are added into this it's nearly impossible to find the time. I just have to hope that my timetable has me finishing before 4pm on the night training is on and starting after 11 the next day. No football for me these days because my timetable doesn't allow it - this could be the situation for half an U19 team.

This would just be made worse if U17 becomes the new minor underage and U19 is confined to a secondary competition - which it will be when 50% of a panel may be unavailable or at least unavailable during the week.

A far better option, I think, would be to move U21s to the summer time, playing a league match every second weekend or so, when most people are at home and able to train/play - in good conditions, OK relatively warm and hopefully sunny days - not in horizontal, lashing rain on a frozen or semi waterlogged pitch. It's a good way of keeping up with the football, meeting your school friends who may be living miles away these days and keeping interest going without having to travel five or six hours (minimum) a week.
At last,a young person's viewpoint.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: C Carr on November 05, 2015, 12:07:43 PM
If my resources are reliable I heard that Cory Quinn from Mayobridge has been handed a soccer transfer for Sligo rovers meaning he will be a big miss to Mayobridge. Anyone from Mayobridge hear about this? T O'Hare?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on November 05, 2015, 12:13:39 PM
Quote from: C Carr on November 05, 2015, 12:07:43 PM
If my resources are reliable I heard that Cory Quinn from Mayobridge has been handed a soccer transfer for Sligo rovers meaning he will be a big miss to Mayobridge. Anyone from Mayobridge hear about this? T O'Hare?

Your resources? Do you mean your sources?

Or is the money in your pockets and your shares in BT talking to you now?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 05, 2015, 02:26:56 PM
The Cardinals have been summoned to St Peter's Square tonight .
White smoke later in the Sky.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 05, 2015, 04:25:22 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 05, 2015, 04:19:54 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 05, 2015, 02:26:56 PM
The Cardinals have been summoned to St Peter's Square tonight .
White smoke later in the Sky.
After this long of a wait it'll be a stench not smoke.

This is going to be interesting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on November 05, 2015, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 05, 2015, 04:25:22 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 05, 2015, 04:19:54 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 05, 2015, 02:26:56 PM
The Cardinals have been summoned to St Peter's Square tonight .
White smoke later in the Sky.
After this long of a wait it'll be a stench not smoke.

This is going to be interesting.
What about a few quick predictions before tonight.
    Shorty Treanor with maybe Gerard Colgan or some ex Development coach.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 05, 2015, 04:54:00 PM
  Benny Coulter for No.1 and some other similar slabber to be No2 possibly Danny Hughes after their rip-roaring success over the County boundary?
   What a lot of dribble Benny comes out with and Hughes in his Irish News column is as bad. Bring back Mickey Harte.

Benny Coulter has expressed his interest in becoming Down manager-in-waiting Eamonn Burns' number two.

It's believed that Mourne County chiefs are delaying Burns' appointment because they have not yet got an assistant in place, with reports suggesting that former Dublin and St. Vincent's manager Mickey Whelan was among those who turned down the job.

But writing in his Newry Democrat column this week, Coulter believes Down should get on with the job of appointing Burns and worry about his assistant later.

"Just come out and name him as number one, we don't need to wait to see who is number two. We have another few weeks before we need to sort a number two and the backroom team," the 2010 All Star said.

"I am available to take the number two role if the chance comes as I have great faith in the players in Down. I would go surely, but I would need to be approached. If it is not Eamon then fair play to the county board for being able to keep a secret.

"Get him named and let the work start."[/i]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 05, 2015, 04:59:17 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 05, 2015, 04:54:00 PM
  Benny Coulter for No.1 and some other similar slabber to be No2 possibly Danny Hughes after their rip-roaring success over the County boundary?
   What a lot of dribble Benny comes out with and Hughes in his Irish News column is as bad. Bring back Mickey Harte.

(https://images.rapgenius.com/732qz4vdriy7lfb71y72a17vx.475x640x1.jpg)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 05, 2015, 05:54:18 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 05, 2015, 04:59:17 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 05, 2015, 04:54:00 PM
  Benny Coulter for No.1 and some other similar slabber to be No2 possibly Danny Hughes after their rip-roaring success over the County boundary?
   What a lot of dribble Benny comes out with and Hughes in his Irish News column is as bad. Bring back Mickey Harte.

(https://images.rapgenius.com/732qz4vdriy7lfb71y72a17vx.475x640x1.jpg)
8)
You agree?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on November 05, 2015, 06:42:46 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 05, 2015, 04:59:17 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 05, 2015, 04:54:00 PM
  Benny Coulter for No.1 and some other similar slabber to be No2 possibly Danny Hughes after their rip-roaring success over the County boundary?
   What a lot of dribble Benny comes out with and Hughes in his Irish News column is as bad. Bring back Mickey Harte.

(https://images.rapgenius.com/732qz4vdriy7lfb71y72a17vx.475x640x1.jpg)

Benny is paid to write and may as well give his own opinion and will make a good Manager some day but not just yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 05, 2015, 07:09:39 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on November 05, 2015, 06:42:46 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 05, 2015, 04:59:17 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 05, 2015, 04:54:00 PM
  Benny Coulter for No.1 and some other similar slabber to be No2 possibly Danny Hughes after their rip-roaring success over the County boundary?
   What a lot of dribble Benny comes out with and Hughes in his Irish News column is as bad. Bring back Mickey Harte.

(https://images.rapgenius.com/732qz4vdriy7lfb71y72a17vx.475x640x1.jpg)

Benny is paid to write and may as well give his own opinion and will make a good Manager some day but not just yet.
i think 5 sams summed this up well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 05, 2015, 07:18:31 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 05, 2015, 04:54:00 PM
  Benny Coulter for No.1 and some other similar slabber to be No2 possibly Danny Hughes after their rip-roaring success over the County boundary?
   What a lot of dribble Benny comes out with and Hughes in his Irish News column is as bad. Bring back Mickey Harte.

Benny Coulter has expressed his interest in becoming Down manager-in-waiting Eamonn Burns' number two.

It's believed that Mourne County chiefs are delaying Burns' appointment because they have not yet got an assistant in place, with reports suggesting that former Dublin and St. Vincent's manager Mickey Whelan was among those who turned down the job.

But writing in his Newry Democrat column this week, Coulter believes Down should get on with the job of appointing Burns and worry about his assistant later.

"Just come out and name him as number one, we don't need to wait to see who is number two. We have another few weeks before we need to sort a number two and the backroom team," the 2010 All Star said.

"I am available to take the number two role if the chance comes as I have great faith in the players in Down. I would go surely, but I would need to be approached. If it is not Eamon then fair play to the county board for being able to keep a secret.

"Get him named and let the work start."[/i]

Are you not from Saval?  Could you not speak to Danny face to face instead of slabbering on a discussion forum about him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on November 05, 2015, 07:22:23 PM
extremely difficult times for all Down supporters but heres hoping we can get a concrete decision tonight and quickly move on with the new management in position.For what its worth maybe a combination of Eamonn  Burns and Paddy O'Rourke with their playing experience could get us in shape for the league and championship next summer-no matter who it is they will have my support-UP DOWN!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 05, 2015, 07:36:24 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 05, 2015, 07:18:31 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 05, 2015, 04:54:00 PM
  Benny Coulter for No.1 and some other similar slabber to be No2 possibly Danny Hughes after their rip-roaring success over the County boundary?
   What a lot of dribble Benny comes out with and Hughes in his Irish News column is as bad. Bring back Mickey Harte.

Benny Coulter has expressed his interest in becoming Down manager-in-waiting Eamonn Burns' number two.

It's believed that Mourne County chiefs are delaying Burns' appointment because they have not yet got an assistant in place, with reports suggesting that former Dublin and St. Vincent's manager Mickey Whelan was among those who turned down the job.

But writing in his Newry Democrat column this week, Coulter believes Down should get on with the job of appointing Burns and worry about his assistant later.

"Just come out and name him as number one, we don't need to wait to see who is number two. We have another few weeks before we need to sort a number two and the backroom team," the 2010 All Star said.

"I am available to take the number two role if the chance comes as I have great faith in the players in Down. I would go surely, but I would need to be approached. If it is not Eamon then fair play to the county board for being able to keep a secret.

"Get him named and let the work start."[/i]

Are you not from Saval?  Could you not speak to Danny face to face instead of slabbering on a discussion forum about him?
At least I say where I'm from unlike yourself!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on November 05, 2015, 08:37:20 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 05, 2015, 02:26:56 PM
The Cardinals have been summoned to St Peter's Square tonight .
White smoke later in the Sky.

Large crowds are gathering in the Burrendale car park as the the Conclave decide
on our new leader.Nuns and Priests are saying decades of the rosary in the hope the
right decision is made.Drivers are advised to avoid the road between the Town and the seaside resort
of Newcastle as supporters have abandoned their cars and tractors anxious to be part of history when the new leader is announced.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 05, 2015, 08:58:39 PM
New Management Teams Ratified in Down
- Former star players take charge of Senior and Minor teams
- Steering Group to lead the Mourne County GAA Academy
- New county sponsors confirmed
The Down GAA County Committee ratified the appointment of Eamonn Burns as the new manager of the Senior Football Team at a meeting this evening.
The announcement of new management teams for all football teams will also see a return to the intercounty scene for James McCartan who will take charge of the Minor side.
Eamonn Burns was a central figure on the Down team that won the All-Ireland title in 1991, scoring two points from play at midfield on the day that the Mourne County bridged a 23 year gap to reclaim the Sam Maguire Cup. He won a second All-Ireland medal in 1994 and was a long-serving stalwart for the Bryansford team. A teacher in Newcastle, Burns served as a selector under James McCartan with the Down team in 2013 and 2014, and as well as managing his home club in recent seasons, he has had management spells with Ballymartin, Darragh Cross and Tullylish.
Eamonn Burns will confirm the makeup of his management and backroom teams next week.
County Chairman Sean Rooney welcomed the appointment, stating that "Eamonn Burns will undoubtedly bring the same degree of commitment and passion to the job as manager as he did when he was a player and we all wish him well". He added that "there is considerable goodwill for Eamonn, James and their teams and we will give them all the support and resources that they will require".
The Down senior team will play their league football in Division 1 in 2016, with home games against Dublin, Kerry and Donegal. They have been drawn to face Monaghan in next year's Ulster Championship.
Two years after his reign as senior football manager came to an end, James McCartan returns to take the reins at Minor level. McCartan is one of Down's most decorated players, with 2 All-Ireland senior winning medals, an All-Ireland Minor medal, 2 Sigerson Cups and 2 Allstars. He led Down to the All-Ireland final in his first year in charge as manager in 2010 and is the present Sigerson Cup manager with Queen's University.
McCartan's management team will include Karl Oakes (Downpatrick), Ambrose Rogers (Longstone), Ronan McMahon (Warrenpoint) and team trainer Sean O'Hare (Burren).
The County Committee also ratified an eight-member Steering Group for the Mourne County GAA Academy under the chairmanship of former All-Ireland winning captain Paddy O'Rourke. Other members of the Group include 1994 All-Ireland winning captain DJ Kane (Newry Shamrocks), Declan Mussen (Kilcoo), Dr Eddie Harney (Saul), Joe Tunney (Carryduff), James McCartan (Minor Manager), Conor O'Toole (County Development Manager), Tom Potter (Coaching Officer) and Professor Niall Moyna (DCU) who will act as a consultant/advisor to the group.
The U-21 team will be managed by Frank Dawson who will be assisted by Brendan Mason and Paddy Murray. Dawson has extensive management and coaching experience with Clonduff, Longstone, Burren, Bryansford and Antrim. The U-21 team have been drawn at home to Armagh in the first round of the 2016 Ulster Championship.
The County Committee meeting also confirmed a new sponsor for the Down football and hurling teams. EOS IT Management Solutions will replace Canal Court Hotel on the county jerseys from 2016. EOS, which is part of the Eagle Overseas Group, specialise in IT and Video Conferencing solutions. A global organisation with bases in the US, UK, Australia, Europe and Asia, they are headquartered in Banbridge.
The full unveiling of the new sponsorship will take place within the coming weeks.
Down GAA wish to record their gratitude to Canal Court Hotel and the McParland family who have been loyal and invaluable sponsors of our county teams since 1996. The owners and staff of the Hotel will continue to be good friends and supporters of the county and the Down GAA teams.
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 05, 2015, 09:14:25 PM
New sponsor is a surprise! At least we'll make a few quid on all the new Jersies that will be sold.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on November 05, 2015, 09:21:21 PM
Best of luck to all concerned!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 05, 2015, 09:25:34 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 05, 2015, 08:58:39 PM
New Management Teams Ratified in Down
- Former star players take charge of Senior and Minor teams
- Steering Group to lead the Mourne County GAA Academy
- New county sponsors confirmed
The Down GAA County Committee ratified the appointment of Eamonn Burns as the new manager of the Senior Football Team at a meeting this evening.
The announcement of new management teams for all football teams will also see a return to the intercounty scene for James McCartan who will take charge of the Minor side.
Eamonn Burns was a central figure on the Down team that won the All-Ireland title in 1991, scoring two points from play at midfield on the day that the Mourne County bridged a 23 year gap to reclaim the Sam Maguire Cup. He won a second All-Ireland medal in 1994 and was a long-serving stalwart for the Bryansford team. A teacher in Newcastle, Burns served as a selector under James McCartan with the Down team in 2013 and 2014, and as well as managing his home club in recent seasons, he has had management spells with Ballymartin, Darragh Cross and Tullylish.
Eamonn Burns will confirm the makeup of his management and backroom teams next week.
County Chairman Sean Rooney welcomed the appointment, stating that "Eamonn Burns will undoubtedly bring the same degree of commitment and passion to the job as manager as he did when he was a player and we all wish him well". He added that "there is considerable goodwill for Eamonn, James and their teams and we will give them all the support and resources that they will require".
The Down senior team will play their league football in Division 1 in 2016, with home games against Dublin, Kerry and Donegal. They have been drawn to face Monaghan in next year's Ulster Championship.
Two years after his reign as senior football manager came to an end, James McCartan returns to take the reins at Minor level. McCartan is one of Down's most decorated players, with 2 All-Ireland senior winning medals, an All-Ireland Minor medal, 2 Sigerson Cups and 2 Allstars. He led Down to the All-Ireland final in his first year in charge as manager in 2010 and is the present Sigerson Cup manager with Queen's University.
McCartan's management team will include Karl Oakes (Downpatrick), Ambrose Rogers (Longstone), Ronan McMahon (Warrenpoint) and team trainer Sean O'Hare (Burren).
The County Committee also ratified an eight-member Steering Group for the Mourne County GAA Academy under the chairmanship of former All-Ireland winning captain Paddy O'Rourke. Other members of the Group include 1994 All-Ireland winning captain DJ Kane (Newry Shamrocks), Declan Mussen (Kilcoo), Dr Eddie Harney (Saul), Joe Tunney (Carryduff), James McCartan (Minor Manager), Conor O'Toole (County Development Manager), Tom Potter (Coaching Officer) and Professor Niall Moyna (DCU) who will act as a consultant/advisor to the group.
The U-21 team will be managed by Frank Dawson who will be assisted by Brendan Mason and Paddy Murray. Dawson has extensive management and coaching experience with Clonduff, Longstone, Burren, Bryansford and Antrim. The U-21 team have been drawn at home to Armagh in the first round of the 2016 Ulster Championship.
The County Committee meeting also confirmed a new sponsor for the Down football and hurling teams. EOS IT Management Solutions will replace Canal Court Hotel on the county jerseys from 2016. EOS, which is part of the Eagle Overseas Group, specialise in IT and Video Conferencing solutions. A global organisation with bases in the US, UK, Australia, Europe and Asia, they are headquartered in Banbridge.
The full unveiling of the new sponsorship will take place within the coming weeks.
Down GAA wish to record their gratitude to Canal Court Hotel and the McParland family who have been loyal and invaluable sponsors of our county teams since 1996. The owners and staff of the Hotel will continue to be good friends and supporters of the county and the Down GAA teams.
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And hurling is in rude health, we don't need a steering committee or anything like that 😩
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 05, 2015, 09:31:24 PM
bit underwhelming but now the appointments are made we can only wish everyone all the best.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 05, 2015, 10:37:23 PM
Burns may not have been the initial favourite for the job but he is a respected and capable figure with a solid record at club level and previous experience in McCartan's management team. He also knows what it means to play for a successful Down side so he deserves our full support as he finally gets a chance to prepare his squad. It is being suggested that Moyna will be his assistant/adviser, which would be another good move, so we are entitled to at least some optimism as we approach the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 05, 2015, 10:57:05 PM
A lot of big announcements made tonight. All positive. That Mourne Academy is the type of thing that we have been crying out for ages. It needs to be a prominent working unit though. We are a long way off the top table but the wheels have been set in motion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rainbowman on November 06, 2015, 01:40:52 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 05, 2015, 10:37:23 PM
Burns may not have been the initial favourite for the job but he is a respected and capable figure with a solid record at club level and previous experience in McCartan's management team. He also knows what it means to play for a successful Down side so he deserves our full support as he finally gets a chance to prepare his squad. It is being suggested that Moyna will be his assistant/adviser, which would be another good move, so we are entitled to at least some optimism as we approach the league.
Solid record at club level.Ur having a laugh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 06, 2015, 10:09:18 AM
Rainbowman, the Down county board make it clear from the start that our new manager would be an internal appointment. Eamonn Burns obviously won a senior county title with Bryansford, and also has relevant experience in the lower divisions as well as a previous coaching role with the Down senior squad.  If you think his record is not up to scratch, would you like to list the Down-born managers who have been significantly more successful than him in our championship this century ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 06, 2015, 10:18:49 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 06, 2015, 10:09:18 AM
Rainbowman, the Down county board make it clear from the start that our new manager would be an internal appointment. Eamonn Burns obviously won a senior county title with Bryansford, and also has relevant experience in the lower divisions as well as a previous coaching role with the Down senior squad.  If you think his record is not up to scratch, would you like to list the Down-born managers who have been significantly more successful than him in our championship this century ?

Mourne Rover, I truly wish Eamon Burns every success in the world.

But there's not a man alive who can claim he has been appointed on the back of his club management CV, while managing to keep a straight face.  Lack of alternatives or not, his club management (not as trainer) career doesn't amount to anything.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 06, 2015, 10:22:34 AM
Who's does ?
Any views on the 'Academy' setup and other teams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on November 06, 2015, 10:26:37 AM
Eamon Burns did a good job in Darragh Cross. We unexpectedly reached an IFC final under him, after beating Downpatrick and a strong Kilclief team along the way in 2009. We were in the final in 2008, but lost alot of that team for 09. Yes we ended up getting relegated in 09 but we hadn't the panel to sustain a league campaign. We beat Glassdrumman in a relegation play-off but lost out to a strong Shamrocks team. In 2010 under Eamon we finished top of Division 3 but didnt go up because we lost to Drumgath a play-off. He introduced alot of young players that year who currently make up the spine of our senior team. A great speaker who doesnt waste his words.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 06, 2015, 10:34:51 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 06, 2015, 10:22:34 AM
Who's does ?
Any views on the 'Academy' setup and other teams?

Jim McCorry, Frank Dawson, Paul McIver, and to a lesser extent James McCartan. That's it really. No other club manager in Down has really raised his head above the parapet in the past decade. Which would kind of suggest the right person might not be someone in the county (unless it's one of those four men).

I guess Armagh would have similar problems in that it's Crossmaglen men or nobody if they're intent on appointing from within. Except they're doing something similar to Down and entrusting everything in their last AI winning team members.

Anyway, it weakens the case for Eamon Burns to suggest that his club record is any sort of an advantage. Instead let's concentrate on Burns's strengths; he's been involved in county senior and under-21 team recently, so most of the senior panel would be very familiar with him, and through his club roles over the past few seasons, would seen every club player in Divisions 1 and 2.  These are definite advantages.

- - -

The academy is a great idea. Down youth development needs a reboot and there's some very strong people involved in this iteration. 

Personally I'm a bit aghast at the recent event which seemed to be mostly about handing over tracksuits to youngsters. That's the approach we need to avoid. Concentrate on football, tactics and conditioning. Make players out of them, not models.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on November 06, 2015, 11:50:35 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 06, 2015, 10:34:51 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 06, 2015, 10:22:34 AM
Who's does ?
Any views on the 'Academy' setup and other teams?

Jim McCorry, Frank Dawson, Paul McIver, and to a lesser extent James McCartan. That's it really. No other club manager in Down has really raised his head above the parapet in the past decade. Which would kind of suggest the right person might not be someone in the county (unless it's one of those four men).

I guess Armagh would have similar problems in that it's Crossmaglen men or nobody if they're intent on appointing from within. Except they're doing something similar to Down and entrusting everything in their last AI winning team members.

Anyway, it weakens the case for Eamon Burns to suggest that his club record is any sort of an advantage. Instead let's concentrate on Burns's strengths; he's been involved in county senior and under-21 team recently, so most of the senior panel would be very familiar with him, and through his club roles over the past few seasons, would seen every club player in Divisions 1 and 2.  These are definite advantages.

- - -

The academy is a great idea. Down youth development needs a reboot and there's some very strong people involved in this iteration. 

Personally I'm a bit aghast at the recent event which seemed to be mostly about handing over tracksuits to youngsters. That's the approach we need to avoid. Concentrate on football, tactics and conditioning. Make players out of them, not models.
Eamon Burns was a mediocre Club Manager and his appointment for a mediocre County team doesn't equate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 06, 2015, 12:13:03 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 26, 2015, 09:07:18 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on October 26, 2015, 08:11:38 PM
@SamFever - who are you expecting? I have spoke to a number of men who have managed at club level within the county, and the response has been the same - there's no queue of men interested in the job. In fact I would go so far as to say the Co Board will be glad to get anyone at this stage. No call to be slagging off Eamonn Burns. How many managers in the county have had success? Let's go through them using championship success over last 15 years
McCorry - treated horribly by Co Board and also this Board
Dawson - would appear that majority of this Board don't want him either
Mickey Linden - doesn't appear to want it
Jackie McManus - does he still manage?
Think Bryansford had a win in 2003??? - can't remember manager - was it Eamonn?

Should we appoint an outsider? Personally speaking no - think we should save as much ££££ as possible until we are in a better position financially and playing wise.
Straight question Sam - would you take the job?
And a straight answer back-No but I don't think Eamon Burns should either. No offence but he has neither the charisma nor ability to do so and is better suited to doing what he has been doing,getting a few £'s from lunatic Clubs in the middle layers of Down Club Football!
My comments still stand.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on November 06, 2015, 01:12:14 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 06, 2015, 10:09:18 AM
Rainbowman, the Down county board make it clear from the start that our new manager would be an internal appointment. Eamonn Burns obviously won a senior county title with Bryansford, and also has relevant experience in the lower divisions as well as a previous coaching role with the Down senior squad.  If you think his record is not up to scratch, would you like to list the Down-born managers who have been significantly more successful than him in our championship this century ?

Eamon Burns did not win a county titles with Bryansford. He's up against it and hasn't set the world on fire to date in his club management career but all we can do now is the support the man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 06, 2015, 01:24:29 PM
Quote from: thebar on November 06, 2015, 01:12:14 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 06, 2015, 10:09:18 AM
Rainbowman, the Down county board make it clear from the start that our new manager would be an internal appointment. Eamonn Burns obviously won a senior county title with Bryansford, and also has relevant experience in the lower divisions as well as a previous coaching role with the Down senior squad.  If you think his record is not up to scratch, would you like to list the Down-born managers who have been significantly more successful than him in our championship this century ?

Eamon Burns did not win a county titles with Bryansford. He's up against it and hasn't set the world on fire to date in his club management career but all we can do now is the support the man.

He won a county U-21 title as manager with his club and was trainer on the 2003 Bryansford SFC winning team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on November 06, 2015, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on November 06, 2015, 01:24:29 PM
Quote from: thebar on November 06, 2015, 01:12:14 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 06, 2015, 10:09:18 AM
Rainbowman, the Down county board make it clear from the start that our new manager would be an internal appointment. Eamonn Burns obviously won a senior county title with Bryansford, and also has relevant experience in the lower divisions as well as a previous coaching role with the Down senior squad.  If you think his record is not up to scratch, would you like to list the Down-born managers who have been significantly more successful than him in our championship this century ?

Eamon Burns did not win a county titles with Bryansford. He's up against it and hasn't set the world on fire to date in his club management career but all we can do now is the support the man.

He won a county U-21 title as manager with his club and was trainer on the 2003 Bryansford SFC winning team.

Correct Benny Corrigan was the manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on November 06, 2015, 07:01:54 PM
good luck to Eamonn in his new role-UP DOWN!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 07, 2015, 11:07:13 AM
http://fb.me/3uyLRpYn5

Does anyone know how or if this is raising money or what is the point of it??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on November 07, 2015, 02:21:14 PM
They all had to raise 3 grand to get released. The idea was to have 50 people doing it so raising 50k. I don't know what has to come out if it or what profit will be involved. There is a big diner in the jail tonight to finish the deal off with tickets on sale for it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 07, 2015, 04:22:00 PM
Fair pay to all who done the jail break. Looks to have been a great success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on November 08, 2015, 12:29:43 AM
Quote from: knockitdown on November 07, 2015, 11:07:13 AM
http://fb.me/3uyLRpYn5

Does anyone know how or if this is raising money or what is the point of it??
[the point of it is we are in debt to the eyeballs. Personally I don't agree with. Many a good man found himself there for fighting for the right so we could play football and hurling and to me this is poking fun at those brave men.]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Red eye on November 08, 2015, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: washed_up on November 06, 2015, 07:01:54 PM
good luck to Eamonn in his new role-UP DOWN!!

+1
Get behind Eamonn now - any word yet on a back room team yet? Maybe missed it as have been way past few weeks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on November 10, 2015, 01:16:19 PM
fall out in the kilcoo camp? I've heard that McIvor has walked after a bust up between the Johnston brothers and the manager? any truth in this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on November 10, 2015, 01:20:45 PM
Quote from: TooLongRef on November 10, 2015, 01:16:19 PM
fall out in the kilcoo camp? I've heard that McIvor has walked after a bust up between the Johnston brothers and the manager? any truth in this?
Heard this also, word is that the Johnston brothers were out drinking in Belfast last week and the management were not pleased. Understandably saying it was a week before ulster semi final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 10, 2015, 02:02:10 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on November 10, 2015, 01:20:45 PM
Quote from: TooLongRef on November 10, 2015, 01:16:19 PM
fall out in the kilcoo camp? I've heard that McIvor has walked after a bust up between the Johnston brothers and the manager? any truth in this?
Heard this also, word is that the Johnston brothers were out drinking in Belfast last week and the management were not pleased. Understandably saying it was a week before ulster semi final.
If it is true it may mean that Kilcoo are actually the same as every other club in the County  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on November 10, 2015, 03:00:45 PM
so two posts of a rumoured fall out but nothing substantiated

must be slow news day.......... ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: liamrice1 on November 10, 2015, 03:11:07 PM
A chairde,

At 4pm Saturday 21st November 2015 (in Pairc Esler, Newry) Cumann Pheadair Naofa GAC are hosting a unique hurling event in which a St Peter's/Ulster Select will play a Kilkenny legends team in a one off hurling 'Legends' match. The Kilkenny panel includes legendary net minder James McGarry, a full back line of John Tennyson, Michael Kavanagh and Noel Hickey, a half back line that would grace many current county teams of Tommy Walsh, Brian Hogan and JJ Delaney. Derek Lyng will marshal the midfield whilst up front they boast players of the quality of Aidan Fogarty, Martin Comerford, Eddie Brennan, DJ Carey, Charlie Carter and Henry Shefflin.



The Ulster team is made up of county players spread from throughout Ulster including; Conor McKinley, Ciaran Clarke, Odran McFadden and Chris O'Connell of Antrim. Sean McCullagh, Ruairi Convery, Kevin and Liam Hinphey of Derry. Fintan Conway, Paul Sheehan, Danny Toner, Ciaran Coulter and Stephen Keith of Down as well as county players from Armagh, Fermanagh and Donegal (Sean McVeigh of St Eunan's and Danny Cullen of Setanta).



Tickets are priced at £10 for adults and £5 for kids and can be purchased from The Quays Newry, Down GAA County Office Castlewellan, St Peter's Clubrooms Warrenpoint (Sunday 8pm-10pm), Centra in Cloughey and Centra in Portaferry. There are also a number of group tickets available in House of Sport Belfast by contacting Damien McConville damienmcconville@sportni.net alternatively the Down ticket van will be present at the match for ticket sales. It is advisable to purchase group tickets in advance to avoid unnecessary delays on the day of the match.


Visit www.warrenpointgaa.com or follow us on twitter or facebook for updates on the game.



Is mise le meas
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 11, 2015, 08:40:52 AM
Any further managerial appointments, club or county? Backroom team for the county bound to be taking shape....? Shane Mulholland in at Rostrevor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on November 11, 2015, 09:21:49 AM
According to Q Radio yesterday Benny Corrigan is in with St Johns and Ross Carr is in with Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 11, 2015, 09:28:34 AM
Expected to be announced this week Mickey Linden and John Trainor selectors and Poucher trainer. Bryansford, Clonduff, Burren, Ballyholland, Saval, Longstone, Castlewellan, over half of division one clubs now managerless, anyone else? What about Glen?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 11, 2015, 10:02:21 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on November 11, 2015, 09:28:34 AM
Expected to be announced this week Mickey Linden and John Trainor selectors and Poucher trainer. Bryansford, Clonduff, Burren, Ballyholland, Saval, Longstone, Castlewellan, over half of division one clubs now managerless, anyone else? What about Glen?

Are you 100% sure all of those clubs are vacant?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on November 11, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Poacher staying with the Harps next season...confirmed. Your information is wrong redandblackareback
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 11, 2015, 12:47:57 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 11, 2015, 10:02:21 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on November 11, 2015, 09:28:34 AM
Expected to be announced this week Mickey Linden and John Trainor selectors and Poucher trainer. Bryansford, Clonduff, Burren, Ballyholland, Saval, Longstone, Castlewellan, over half of division one clubs now managerless, anyone else? What about Glen?

Are you 100% sure all of those clubs are vacant?

A surprising enough term for your last manager supersub. What happened there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on November 11, 2015, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 11, 2015, 10:02:21 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on November 11, 2015, 09:28:34 AM
Expected to be announced this week Mickey Linden and John Trainor selectors and Poucher trainer. Bryansford, Clonduff, Burren, Ballyholland, Saval, Longstone, Castlewellan, over half of division one clubs now managerless, anyone else? What about Glen?

Are you 100% sure all of those clubs are vacant?
who ever said burren have no manager??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 11, 2015, 06:07:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 11, 2015, 12:47:57 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 11, 2015, 10:02:21 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on November 11, 2015, 09:28:34 AM
Expected to be announced this week Mickey Linden and John Trainor selectors and Poucher trainer. Bryansford, Clonduff, Burren, Ballyholland, Saval, Longstone, Castlewellan, over half of division one clubs now managerless, anyone else? What about Glen?

Are you 100% sure all of those clubs are vacant?

A surprising enough term for your last manager supersub. What happened there.

In what regard surprising?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 11, 2015, 07:05:32 PM
Probably didn't word that great. Maybe just a bit surprising he walked after his first season. What would expectations have been?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on November 13, 2015, 10:40:10 AM
After last night's county board Meeting it has been confirmed the age groups will remain as previous.
Good decision.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 13, 2015, 11:38:01 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on November 13, 2015, 10:40:10 AM
After last night's county board Meeting it has been confirmed the age groups will remain as previous.
Good decision.

So we are afraid of change much to Sean O'G's dismay!!

"Are we just afraid of Change? Because change will ultimately happen in Under age Structures and here we have a chance to be innovators of change."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 13, 2015, 11:52:02 AM
The language being used lately by the powers that be is not typical of the individuals concerned.
There are definitely people lurking in the background telling them what to say and how to say it.

'Innovators of change' my arse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 13, 2015, 12:39:24 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 13, 2015, 11:52:02 AM
The language being used lately by the powers that be is not typical of the individuals concerned.
There are definitely people lurking in the background telling them what to say and how to say it.

'Innovators of change' my arse.

No doubt Sean O'g really didn't want to be the one telling Croke Park that it wasn't a goer in Down either as well as Cork.

IMO they've went about this burn out the wrong way. Roll the changes in age groups especially for 17 to 19/20 at intercounty. Burnout may affect the high end lads who're pulled from pillar to post with club teams, university and intercounty teams. Any lad just playing club won't be suffering from burn out, certainly not if they hurl in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on November 13, 2015, 08:17:47 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 13, 2015, 11:38:01 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on November 13, 2015, 10:40:10 AM
After last night's county board Meeting it has been confirmed the age groups will remain as previous.
Good decision.

So we are afraid of change much to Sean O'G's dismay!!

"Are we just afraid of Change? Because change will ultimately happen in Under age Structures and here we have a chance to be innovators of change."

The man hasnt a clue. This was foisted upon us and it is a pilot scheme. No guarantee of being fully adopted.  Waste of time and resources and money.  Thank god our club reps have more sense than to entertain a hairbrained scheme.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 13, 2015, 09:50:38 PM
 Isn't soccer just a shi-e game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 13, 2015, 10:02:19 PM
I hear the PSNI will be investigating some of the personal abuse levelled at some of the Co Board Officials on social media. While I think that's a bit heavy handed there are some real pricks on here and elsewhere online going overboard on their nasty abuse of certain individuals on the Co Board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on November 13, 2015, 11:27:02 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 13, 2015, 10:02:19 PM
I hear the PSNI will be investigating some of the personal abuse levelled at some of the Co Board Officials on social media. While I think that's a bit heavy handed there are some real pricks on here and elsewhere online going overboard on their nasty abuse of certain individuals on the Co Board.

This is a wind up obviously... this make me laugh! Anyway what about Kilcoo v Cross on Sunday hope the poor weather forecast does not spoil it, hopefully should be a cracker and Kilcoo can do Down football justice and put in a big display they have it in them. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 13, 2015, 11:50:55 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 13, 2015, 10:26:46 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 13, 2015, 10:02:19 PM
I hear the PSNI will be investigating some of the personal abuse levelled at some of the Co Board Officials on social media. While I think that's a bit heavy handed there are some real pricks on here and elsewhere online going overboard on their nasty abuse of certain individuals on the Co Board.
+1 ,although a certain amount criticism is usually deserved.

No problem with criticism at all. I do it myself and I do it face to face and at convention. Personal abuse is wrong especially behind the keyboard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on November 14, 2015, 02:10:58 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 13, 2015, 11:50:55 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 13, 2015, 10:26:46 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 13, 2015, 10:02:19 PM
I hear the PSNI will be investigating some of the personal abuse levelled at some of the Co Board Officials on social media. While I think that's a bit heavy handed there are some real pricks on here and elsewhere online going overboard on their nasty abuse of certain individuals on the Co Board.
+1 ,although a certain amount criticism is usually deserved.

No problem with criticism at all. I do it myself and I do it face to face and at convention. Personal abuse is wrong especially behind the keyboard.
Well aren't you great?Face to face at Convention-whooppe wow! We all know the problem in Down in regard to any future progress.Conventions are just a box ticking exercise in accepting the woeful dirergard of the proper way by accepting the "down way".5Sams,say what you think instead of what people would like you to think!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on November 14, 2015, 01:50:45 PM
I think for all that if you are willing to give abuse to an individual you should have the balls to say it to his face not behind a faceless account on a website. I know which way I would rather get called a bollox at least you could defend yourself. There hasn't been much out of the account since the posts have been removed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mickey Linden on November 15, 2015, 03:04:52 PM
Is the Kilcoo game on radio anywhere?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 15, 2015, 03:06:25 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/34734709
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 15, 2015, 04:58:42 PM
Well done to Loughinisland and hard luck to Kilcoo and Glasdrumman. The Island were superb today and credit to Jerome Johnstone and Paul Duffin as they play to a shape and to their strengths. Kieran Gordon is calm and reliable, I liked the cut of the defence especially Digney and O'Toole and Rory Mason is a chip of the old block. To see the performance of Dan Gordon shows why McCorry should have made more of an effort to get him in- despite serious ' attention' from Colin Walshe- and was well supported by Aaron Mc Clements. Dan's goal was as good as you would see anywhere. Eamon Burns could do worse than the pair of them for mf. I think they will have too much for Bundoran and hope they can push on to Croke Park.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on November 15, 2015, 08:17:49 PM
Was in Newry the day and in the end the best team won so fair play to Cross and commiserations to Kilcoo...after a bright start Kilcoo for the first 15mins or so seemed to have the measure of Cross and went 3 pts to 1pt up. That was as good as it got though and Cross gradually grew in to the game and finished the half on the front foot to leave it all square before turning it up a serious amount in the 2nd half to which Kilcoo just had no answer. I thought Kilcoo would have given them a better run for it but on the day it just didn't go for them...losing Paul Devlin so early was a blow plus the Cross bench seemed to have a greater impact on things than Kilcoos. On another note great to see so many in Newry to watch Ulster Club Football matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 15, 2015, 09:03:29 PM
Kilcoo simply did not reach the heights they were capable of today. It was an underperformance that will eat at them for some time. If they had of played half the football they are capable of then they would have been in much more favourable position now. Cross were defensively very good and had a tight reign on Laverty and Jerome Johnston which ultimately decided the outcome of the game.
Bundoran weren't overly impressive in the first game in Newry and Loughinisland now look very well placed to take the Intermediate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 15, 2015, 09:13:15 PM
Dan Gordon was outstanding today, and his goal, which he side-footed into the top corner after exchanging passes and cruising through the centre of the Doohamlet defence, summed up his performance. Eamonn Burns, who knows a thing or two about midfielders, will surely move heaven and earth to get him back where he belongs in the Down squad. There is a strong case for a close look at Aaron McClements and Rory Mason as well, as they showed some genuine quality on a heavy pitch against physical opponents. If we can come up with another couple of new faces with similar potential, a season in division one of the NFL may not look as intimidating as it initially appeared.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: C Carr on November 16, 2015, 10:47:15 AM
I heard Kilcoo all went out last night after their defeat
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 16, 2015, 10:48:44 AM
Quote from: C Carr on November 16, 2015, 10:47:15 AM
I heard Kilcoo all went out last night after their defeat

And??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 16, 2015, 12:27:49 PM
Quote from: C Carr on November 16, 2015, 10:47:15 AM
I heard Kilcoo all went out last night after their defeat
Rightly so I'm sure they deserved it after a long hard season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Red eye on November 16, 2015, 05:22:14 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 16, 2015, 12:27:49 PM
Quote from: C Carr on November 16, 2015, 10:47:15 AM
I heard Kilcoo all went out last night after their defeat
Rightly so I'm sure they deserved it after a long hard season.

+1
Why wouldn't they - yes disappointing but guys will need a break now - couldn't begrudge them a bit of chill out time 👍
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on November 16, 2015, 06:55:32 PM
Quote from: C Carr on November 16, 2015, 10:47:15 AM
I heard Kilcoo all went out last night after their defeat
I'm glad your name just sounds like mine!You'd be letting down the good name with the quality of your first three posts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 16, 2015, 07:02:56 PM
He is taking the piss lads
Sarcasm!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 17, 2015, 10:40:53 AM
Two big Saturday FIxtures coming up for Down in Newry.Donegal on Jan 30th and the Dubs on March 12th.testing times ahead for the new Management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on November 17, 2015, 11:53:46 AM
It appears Shorty Treanor has walked from the Castlewellan job, player power at work again??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on November 17, 2015, 12:17:29 PM
what makes you think it was player power?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on November 17, 2015, 01:03:54 PM
That's what I have been told by a club person from the Town
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 17, 2015, 02:11:00 PM
Quote from: downup on November 17, 2015, 01:03:54 PM
That's what I have been told by a club person from the Town
Joining Eamon Burns?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on November 18, 2015, 10:20:43 AM
  Any word of Trials at Minor,U21 or Senior Football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on November 18, 2015, 11:36:50 AM
There was talk that the senior team were to start training tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on November 18, 2015, 12:13:19 PM
your source seems to be correct downup. player power seems to have pushed shorty out the door.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on November 18, 2015, 09:11:38 PM
Lads, anyone else worried about the lack of progress on Eamon Burn's backroom team?  Its nearly two weeks since he was ratified but no names since.  I wonder is he struggling for a credible number 2 and a decent coach as well as selectors?  The uncertainty is the really worrying thing but I'm sure we have no problem waiting as long as we get the right people involved.

U.21 trials were held last night I believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 18, 2015, 10:01:39 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on November 18, 2015, 09:11:38 PM
Lads, anyone else worried about the lack of progress on Eamon Burn's backroom team?  Its nearly two weeks since he was ratified but no names since.  I wonder is he struggling for a credible number 2 and a decent coach as well as selectors?  The uncertainty is the really worrying thing but I'm sure we have no problem waiting as long as we get the right people involved.

U.21 trials were held last night I believe.
the lack of any progress is very worrying, things seem to have gone very quiet. there is a lot of apathy out there among fellow down supporters I speak to, which is also worrying. Eamonn burns has a big job on his hands and hopefully when he gets started all down players and supporters will get behind him and his team.

I notice the criticism of the county board has slowed a bit since the psni were threatened upon any dissenting voices.....the down way!!  The county board, I'm sure everyone would agree are all doing a very good job, as can be seen by our success at all levels of county football, our commercial expertise and our 2nd to none training facilites. Not to mention the professional manner in which they have handled the removing and appointing of recent down managers at senior and minor level. Down have fallen way behind other ulster counties, its time to stop the rot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 19, 2015, 09:01:33 AM
All very true Sheedy.

But the one thing in GAA that you individually and you as your club can genuinely influence is the membership (and therefore direction) of the county board.

We, the GAA people of Down, have been every bit as complicit in our county's downfall as the various men who've sat on committees.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: C Carr on November 19, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
I see Tirnan Rushe has signed for Warrenpoint Town meaning his commitment for the county u21's will take its toll, whereas Ryan JOhnston has started playing hurling for Castlewellan? I think this is very strange coming from a top football player in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on November 19, 2015, 10:52:44 AM
fantastic to see big Eoin Woods from the bridge going to give his club another year in the middle of the park, still playing at the age of 52, inspiration to all young lads looking to have a career in senior club football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 19, 2015, 10:55:54 AM
Quote from: C Carr on November 19, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
I see Tirnan Rushe has signed for Warrenpoint Town meaning his commitment for the county u21's will take its toll, whereas Ryan JOhnston has started playing hurling for Castlewellan? I think this is very strange coming from a top football player in the county.

Don't worry, he'll only have a game the odd monday night and nothing for the months of July and August if the current hurling fixtures are anything to go by!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on November 19, 2015, 10:59:31 AM
Was talking to a Down senior player (I wont mention any names). They told me that Benny and Dan Gordan have been added into their whatsapp group chat for 2016 McKenna cup provisional squad. This is great news for the county as two great leaders are brought back into the changing rooms. Maybe something what we were missing last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on November 19, 2015, 11:08:21 AM
Quote from: clowry13 on November 19, 2015, 10:59:31 AM
Was talking to a Down senior player (I wont mention any names). They told me that Benny and Dan Gordan have been added into their whatsapp group chat for 2016 McKenna cup provisional squad. This is great news for the county as two great leaders are brought back into the changing rooms. Maybe something what we were missing last year?

Dan might not be able to commit, hes too busy winning micky mouse trophies for loughanisland...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Trap on November 19, 2015, 11:38:47 AM
What is the view in Down of Loughinisland's run to the Ulster Intermediate Final? If they had put the same effort into it when they were in Division One last year were would they have finished? I don't like the Ulster Intermediate and Junior for this reason....i.e. teams can drop down a division and then get a glory run in a competition they should probably not be in. And its not just Loughinisland by the way, Rockcorry from Monaghan are doing the same at Junior!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 19, 2015, 03:25:22 PM
Quote
Was talking to a Down senior player (I wont mention any names). They told me that Benny and Dan Gordan have been added into their whatsapp group chat for 2016 McKenna cup provisional squad. This is great news for the county as two great leaders are brought back into the changing rooms. Maybe something what we were missing last year?

Did the Down senior player mention who would be training the squad this season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on November 19, 2015, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: C Carr on November 19, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
I see Tirnan Rushe has signed for Warrenpoint Town meaning his commitment for the county u21's will take its toll, whereas Ryan JOhnston has started playing hurling for Castlewellan? I think this is very strange coming from a top football player in the county.
Life goes on,plenty of other good forwards available at U21  - Havern,Mc Aleenan,Quinn etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on November 19, 2015, 04:56:46 PM
Quote from: elk on November 19, 2015, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: C Carr on November 19, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
I see Tirnan Rushe has signed for Warrenpoint Town meaning his commitment for the county u21's will take its toll, whereas Ryan JOhnston has started playing hurling for Castlewellan? I think this is very strange coming from a top football player in the county.
Life goes on,plenty of other good forwards available at U21  - Havern,Mc Aleenan,Quinn etc.

This is obviously a joke elk, use your head... You seem to be fond of commenting on Rushe, 3 or 4 times now you've gotten stuck into him on this, has he done anything to you in the past?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 19, 2015, 06:15:24 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on November 19, 2015, 10:59:31 AM
Was talking to a Down senior player (I wont mention any names). They told me that Benny and Dan Gordan have been added into their whatsapp group chat for 2016 McKenna cup provisional squad. This is great news for the county as two great leaders are brought back into the changing rooms. Maybe something what we were missing last year?

Definitely not!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on November 19, 2015, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: The Trap on November 19, 2015, 11:38:47 AM
What is the view in Down of Loughinisland's run to the Ulster Intermediate Final? If they had put the same effort into it when they were in Division One last year were would they have finished? I don't like the Ulster Intermediate and Junior for this reason....i.e. teams can drop down a division and then get a glory run in a competition they should probably not be in. And its not just Loughinisland by the way, Rockcorry from Monaghan are doing the same at Junior!

Loughinisland did try last year and we have not spent too much time in Division one in the last five years. For as long as I can recall it has always been the case that the top 15 league teams plus the intermediate champions in Down have played senior championship. The fact we did not reach that level had nothing to do with not trying. We have some seasoned players, but we also have a lot of young players and whist we are looking forward to the future with some optimism, we did not slip down to intermediate level for the sake of winning an intermediate championship. It takes a little time to blood a relatively young team. We also have a good management team in place.

Personally I did not completely buy into the intermediate championship at the start, because as far as I can recall this is the second year since 1972 that we have not played senior. However, the way the team has applied themselves and the serious amount of effort they have put into the competition has made the whole parish proud. 

I would also say that all three teams we have played finished roughly in the same place in their respective league tables as we did, so we are not playing teams that are in some way below us.

I have also read posts here about Dan Gordon. He is playing for me the best football I have ever seen him play and is in some condition. Granted he is playing intermediate and not senior, but he was marked by a 2013 All Star (Walshe) last Sunday and Doohamlet didn't know what to do to try and stop him.

Finally, regards your post, TooLongRef, if you are going to post infantile posts at least try and spell Loughinisland correctly. I assume you have just moved to Down or you have just left school.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on November 19, 2015, 09:22:25 PM
+1 blue island
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on November 20, 2015, 12:09:16 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 18, 2015, 04:17:58 PM
Quote from: A man from Down on May 18, 2015, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 18, 2015, 12:26:05 PM
Quote from: Rodders88 on May 18, 2015, 11:55:10 AM
The Harps looking very good this year. Would have been most peoples favorites to finish in the bottom 6 and  be playing Division 2 football next year.  Few more wins should see them safe with half the league campaign to go. Looked very fit on Friday night and looked like they had more in the tank. Very impressive.

Was very disappointed in the Bridge, they looked very average and was expecting a lot more from them. Anyone know if they had many missing? Benny must have been carrying an injury as he didn't start the game and wasn't very influential. Showed in patches that he still has that bit of class but not enough over the 40mins or so that he was on the filed.

Joe Murphy had a great game in Midfield, surely must be worth a look for the county team? Also Tieran Rushe is going to be a special player, was excellent again on Friday .
as I said on the Davison thread--once a soccer player always a soccer head.


"soccer head" showing your knowledge there....

If they are good enough and committed well then bring them in.
Committed until pre-season soccer training starts.
What's that you all said when I dare question the commitment of young Rushe the shining gaa star from up the hill?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on November 20, 2015, 12:51:50 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on November 20, 2015, 12:09:16 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 18, 2015, 04:17:58 PM
Quote from: A man from Down on May 18, 2015, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 18, 2015, 12:26:05 PM
Quote from: Rodders88 on May 18, 2015, 11:55:10 AM
The Harps looking very good this year. Would have been most peoples favorites to finish in the bottom 6 and  be playing Division 2 football next year.  Few more wins should see them safe with half the league campaign to go. Looked very fit on Friday night and looked like they had more in the tank. Very impressive.

Was very disappointed in the Bridge, they looked very average and was expecting a lot more from them. Anyone know if they had many missing? Benny must have been carrying an injury as he didn't start the game and wasn't very influential. Showed in patches that he still has that bit of class but not enough over the 40mins or so that he was on the filed.

Joe Murphy had a great game in Midfield, surely must be worth a look for the county team? Also Tieran Rushe is going to be a special player, was excellent again on Friday .
as I said on the Davison thread--once a soccer player always a soccer head.


"soccer head" showing your knowledge there....

If they are good enough and committed well then bring them in.
Committed until pre-season soccer training starts.
What's that you all said when I dare question the commitment of young Rushe the shining gaa star from up the hill?

Take your head out of your hole rosskarr you tool C carr's post is obviously a joke, or do you reckon Ryan Johnston really is playing hurling for castlewellan too?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 20, 2015, 12:57:27 AM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on November 20, 2015, 11:52:40 AM
Quote from: TooLongRef on November 19, 2015, 04:56:46 PM
Quote from: elk on November 19, 2015, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: C Carr on November 19, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
I see Tirnan Rushe has signed for Warrenpoint Town meaning his commitment for the county u21's will take its toll, whereas Ryan JOhnston has started playing hurling for Castlewellan? I think this is very strange coming from a top football player in the county.
Life goes on,plenty of other good forwards available at U21  - Havern,Mc Aleenan,Quinn etc.

This is obviously a joke elk, use your head... You seem to be fond of commenting on Rushe, 3 or 4 times now you've gotten stuck into him on this, has he done anything to you in the past?

If posters mention individuals by name on a forum you will draw attention to them and people will post their opinions (negative or positive ) as they're entitled to do so. Rushe is a decent young player but he is only one off a few decent young forwards within the county at the moment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Red eye on November 20, 2015, 02:47:03 PM
Quote from: elk on November 20, 2015, 11:52:40 AM
Quote from: TooLongRef on November 19, 2015, 04:56:46 PM
Quote from: elk on November 19, 2015, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: C Carr on November 19, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
I see Tirnan Rushe has signed for Warrenpoint Town meaning his commitment for the county u21's will take its toll, whereas Ryan JOhnston has started playing hurling for Castlewellan? I think this is very strange coming from a top football player in the county.
Life goes on,plenty of other good forwards available at U21  - Havern,Mc Aleenan,Quinn etc.

This is obviously a joke elk, use your head... You seem to be fond of commenting on Rushe, 3 or 4 times now you've gotten stuck into him on this, has he done anything to you in the past?

If posters mention individuals by name on a forum you will draw attention to them and people will post their opinions (negative or positive ) as they're entitled to do so. Rushe is a decent young player but he is only one off a few decent young forwards within the county at the moment.

Judging by recent results think Warrenpoint Town could do with all the help they can get 😀
Am sure there is a balance somewhere if this is the case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Red eye on November 20, 2015, 02:54:14 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on November 19, 2015, 09:22:25 PM
+1 blue island

Agree also with Blue Island - great to see Dan playing so well and this for now is Loughinisland's level. Next year will be contesting at Senior and it can be a big jump - for now though this is where they are at and will need all the support they can get at the end on the month in Owen Beg.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 21, 2015, 01:06:02 AM
Quote from: Red eye on November 20, 2015, 02:54:14 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on November 19, 2015, 09:22:25 PM
+1 blue island

Agree also with Blue Island - great to see Dan playing so well and this for now is Loughinisland's level. Next year will be contesting at Senior and it can be a big jump - for now though this is where they are at and will need all the support they can get at the end on the month in Owen Beg.
Dan was/is a great player but life has moved on as regards Dan doing anything for Down.New blood and commitment is required!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on November 21, 2015, 05:24:05 PM
Down seniors started training this morning in Newcastle, Gerald colgan is with Eamon burns
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on November 21, 2015, 05:40:52 PM
So its just the 2015 panel then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on November 21, 2015, 07:06:01 PM
Quote from: sdg on November 21, 2015, 05:24:05 PM
Down seniors started training this morning in Newcastle, Gerald colgan is with Eamon burns
High powered!😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on November 21, 2015, 07:31:01 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on November 21, 2015, 07:06:01 PM
Quote from: sdg on November 21, 2015, 05:24:05 PM
Down seniors started training this morning in Newcastle, Gerald colgan is with Eamon burns
High powered!😂

The rest of Ulster and Ireland will be quaking in it's boots  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 21, 2015, 08:55:02 PM
At least have the courtesy to get the man's name right. It's Gerard Colgan, and good luck to him and Eamon. Certainly hope they aren't looking here for support, becoming more and more like a school classroom every week. Wise up some of the comments on here are absurd. No wonder there is a police enquiry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FML on November 21, 2015, 09:06:25 PM
Best of luck to a Eamonn, Gerard & all those involved in 2016.
Some great games in Newry to look forward to.
Personally I would pay to watch Kerry & Dublin any weekend, to have them in Newry is a bonus.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on November 21, 2015, 10:04:16 PM
Quote from: FML on November 21, 2015, 09:06:25 PM
Best of luck to a Eamonn, Gerard & all those involved in 2016.
Some great games in Newry to look forward to.
Personally I would pay to watch Kerry & Dublin any weekend, to have them in Newry is a bonus.
While wishing Eamon and Co success,I am still allowed to express my feelings of underwhelment with our new County Senior Management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on November 22, 2015, 10:34:22 AM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on November 21, 2015, 05:40:52 PM
So its just the 2015 panel then
Gareth Johnstone and joe mc dermott training with them according to tullylish Facebook. Assume there would be plenty new faces seen on a trial basis until February at least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 23, 2015, 02:57:25 PM
Quote from: passedit on November 22, 2015, 10:34:22 AM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on November 21, 2015, 05:40:52 PM
So its just the 2015 panel then
Gareth Johnstone and joe mc dermott training with them according to tullylish Facebook. Assume there would be plenty new faces seen on a trial basis until February at least.
In addition to a few more --just to make up the numbers for training purposes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on November 23, 2015, 06:20:19 PM
Cj Barr signing for Warrenpoint town after being noticed In nets in carabane league. Would he be suitable for a call up in nets for the county? Looked very comfortable in nets for the bridge this season, with excellent kick outs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on November 23, 2015, 06:32:52 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on November 23, 2015, 06:20:19 PM
Cj Barr signing for Warrenpoint town after being noticed In nets in carabane league. Would he be suitable for a call up in nets for the county? Looked very comfortable in nets for the bridge this season, with excellent kick outs.

Poor outfield player who can catch a ball in nets, nothing special.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on November 24, 2015, 08:31:51 AM
Any word on when the county minors are starting up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 24, 2015, 03:05:47 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on November 23, 2015, 06:20:19 PM
Cj Barr signing for Warrenpoint town after being noticed In nets in carabane league. Would he be suitable for a call up in nets for the county? Looked very comfortable in nets for the bridge this season, with excellent kick outs.
I think we probably have enough keepers without having to juggle the dual player problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 24, 2015, 10:52:32 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 24, 2015, 08:27:15 PM
Benny has Jarlath Burns as our new County Manager in the Democrat this week.😀
Proof reading alive and well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 24, 2015, 11:01:21 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 24, 2015, 10:52:32 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 24, 2015, 08:27:15 PM
Benny has Jarlath Burns as our new County Manager in the Democrat this week.😀
Proof reading alive and well.
Just saw it there.James was his favourite Manager.What next?
Blue and white are his favourite colours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: C Carr on November 26, 2015, 10:12:06 AM
Is the Ballyholland Harps going over to America to play American champions over the Christmas period?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: C Carr on November 26, 2015, 10:18:23 AM
Also Darragh Murdock hurt his ankle at training so he did
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on November 26, 2015, 12:05:19 PM
shorty staying as town manager for the year. bringing mark doran from the stone in along with him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on November 26, 2015, 01:31:16 PM
what is the situation with Marty Clarke fro 2016 season? is he committing to Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on November 26, 2015, 11:50:44 PM
The pot hole outside pairc esler needs filled in

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on November 28, 2015, 02:59:12 PM
Just reading preview of the Loughinisland game 2mar, do neither of the O' Reilly's play for them anymore?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 28, 2015, 08:37:14 PM
good luck to loughinisland tomorrow!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on November 29, 2015, 03:42:28 PM
Ulster Int Final
Realt na Mara  0:7  (7)
Loughinisland  3:1  (10)
Loughinisland  leading by 3 points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on November 29, 2015, 03:48:39 PM
Ulster Int Final Result
Realt na Mara  0:7  (7)
Loughinisland  4:1  (13)


The old adage that goals win games.  Well done Loughinisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 29, 2015, 09:50:41 PM
Congratulations to Loughinisland, wishing the Island all the best for All Ireland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 29, 2015, 10:22:46 PM
well done loughinisland. crazy scoreline.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 29, 2015, 10:36:47 PM
Delighted for Loughinisland. They have been rarely troubled all year, and though the all-Ireland series will be hard to predict , with their strong playing and management personnel Loughinisland are well equipped to bring home further silverware
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on November 30, 2015, 12:58:56 PM
Loughinisland won 5 scores to 7

Nothing crazy about it they did what they had to do to win and play out last 8 mins a man short.

Goals win games they say
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on November 30, 2015, 02:20:50 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on November 28, 2015, 02:59:12 PM
Just reading preview of the Loughinisland game 2mar, do neither of the O' Reilly's play for them anymore?

I also found this a bit curious? Are Jamie and Ben both abroad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on November 30, 2015, 04:45:14 PM
Ben in London I believe teaching.

Unsure about Jamie..

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on November 30, 2015, 05:08:48 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 29, 2015, 10:36:47 PM
Delighted for Loughinisland. They have been rarely troubled all year, and though the all-Ireland series will be hard to predict , with their strong playing and management personnel Loughinisland are well equipped to bring home further silverware
Best of luck to them in the All-Ireland series but whenever the journey ends I'd think they would far rather be in Div1 next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on November 30, 2015, 08:23:30 PM
Yip. I'd rather struggle in Div 1 than win an Ulster😳
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 30, 2015, 09:41:15 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on November 30, 2015, 05:08:48 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 29, 2015, 10:36:47 PM
Delighted for Loughinisland. They have been rarely troubled all year, and though the all-Ireland series will be hard to predict , with their strong playing and management personnel Loughinisland are well equipped to bring home further silverware
Best of luck to them in the All-Ireland series but whenever the journey ends I'd think they would far rather be in Div1 next year.
seriously?? they won the down championship, they won ulster and they now have a chance of all-ireland glory but you think they would swap that to play division 1 football in down. dont think they will get the credit they deserve, some people will try to belittle their achievement because its at intermediate level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on December 01, 2015, 10:04:37 AM
That's ridiculous! Well done Loughinisland a great achievement.  May well go all the way and I'm sure they will make a challenge for Div1 next year whilst also being in the SFC.
Gotta laugh sometimes.  For ages I've heard many Down men give off about how poor Down teams do in the provincial Junior and Intermediate championships.  Now its two UIFCs  in a row and we cant give the teams some credit?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 01, 2015, 10:44:55 AM
Successful teams always have their begrudgers.  Fair play to them winning trophies at intermediate is a lot better than being a mid table div 1 team. Best of luck in the all ireland series. Hopefully a few boys will make the step up to Down from this experience.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 01, 2015, 12:01:28 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on November 30, 2015, 05:08:48 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 29, 2015, 10:36:47 PM
Delighted for Loughinisland. They have been rarely troubled all year, and though the all-Ireland series will be hard to predict , with their strong playing and management personnel Loughinisland are well equipped to bring home further silverware
Best of luck to them in the All-Ireland series but whenever the journey ends I'd think they would far rather be in Div1 next year.
We're all not use to success the way Kilcoo are.Oh wait a minute-they haven't won an Ulster title.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 01, 2015, 05:41:47 PM
All very quiet on the County front, no word of Down naming the training panel, the way Derry have?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 02, 2015, 04:05:23 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on December 01, 2015, 05:41:47 PM
All very quiet on the County front, no word of Down naming the training panel, the way Derry have?
Or a note from the County Senior Football backroom team(as promised)?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on December 02, 2015, 06:15:02 PM
Quote from: SamFever on December 02, 2015, 04:05:23 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on December 01, 2015, 05:41:47 PM
All very quiet on the County front, no word of Down naming the training panel, the way Derry have?
Or a note from the County Senior Football backroom team(as promised)?
Not very inspiring if what I hear is true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on December 02, 2015, 07:22:33 PM
Taken from Hoganstand



Coulter and Clarke in Mourne return?
02 December 2015

New Down manager Eamonn Burns hasn't given up hope on 2010 All-Stars Benny Coulter and Marty Clarke returning to the inter-county fold in 2016.

Speaking to The Belfast Telegraph at the launch of the Dr McKenna Cup competition, Burns revealed: "I have spoken to Benny and he has some work commitments at the minute. He hasn't committed yet.

"Marty is involved with Queen's University and I am speaking to James McCartan (Queen's manager) about the progress he is making.

"I am going to keep an eye on Marty throughout the McKenna Cup and see how he is progressing and make a decision then. But I haven't spoken to him at all.

"I think he is managing his medical condition, but as I haven't spoken to him, I don't want to say too much."

28-year-old Clarke suffers from Addington's Disease but his return would be a significant boost to the Mourne County's chances in the new year.

Meanwhile, the new man at the helm also revealed that Aidan Branigan and Gerard Colgan have joined his backroom team as selectors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on December 02, 2015, 09:31:49 PM
I've noticed this on down coaching Twitter "There will b a 2nd "Coaching Clinic" for East Down based minor footballers this Thursday, Dec 3rd @7pm sharp @Redhigh1934" just wondering is this supposed to be code for minor trials, if so doesn't give lads much notice 24 hours. Anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on December 02, 2015, 10:24:08 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on December 02, 2015, 09:57:42 PM
Quote from: The Raven on December 02, 2015, 09:31:49 PM
I've noticed this on down coaching Twitter "There will b a 2nd "Coaching Clinic" for East Down based minor footballers this Thursday, Dec 3rd @7pm sharp @Redhigh1934" just wondering is this supposed to be code for minor trials, if so doesn't give lads much notice 24 hours. Anyone confirm?
The Down Way.Bad start for the Minor Management if they are going to use the tried and "failed" way of organising things in Down.

You couldn't make it up less than 24 hours notice and they still manage to balls up venue, now in Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 02, 2015, 11:43:54 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 02, 2015, 07:22:33 PM
Taken from Hoganstand



Coulter and Clarke in Mourne return?
02 December 2015

New Down manager Eamonn Burns hasn't given up hope on 2010 All-Stars Benny Coulter and Marty Clarke returning to the inter-county fold in 2016.

Speaking to The Belfast Telegraph at the launch of the Dr McKenna Cup competition, Burns revealed: "I have spoken to Benny and he has some work commitments at the minute. He hasn't committed yet.

"Marty is involved with Queen's University and I am speaking to James McCartan (Queen's manager) about the progress he is making.

"I am going to keep an eye on Marty throughout the McKenna Cup and see how he is progressing and make a decision then. But I haven't spoken to him at all.

"I think he is managing his medical condition, but as I haven't spoken to him, I don't want to say too much."

28-year-old Clarke suffers from Addington's Disease but his return would be a significant boost to the Mourne County's chances in the new year.

Meanwhile, the new man at the helm also revealed that Aidan Branigan and Gerard Colgan have joined his backroom team as selectors.

So this has been confirmed officially in the media, have clubs been notified? Would this genuinely be our worst Senior management team since the 1980's? I know we were prepared to be underwhelmed but surely we could have pooled together a better set up than this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on December 03, 2015, 01:42:23 PM
Management Appointments

Rostrevor - Shane Mulholland
Saval - Gareth Thornton
Longstone - Keith Kelly
Mayobridge - Frank Dawson
Castlewellan - Shorty had added Mark Doran to his set up
Burren - Sean Ward has added Mark Copeland to his set up
Banbridge - Gary Farrell
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on December 03, 2015, 02:16:02 PM
Under 21 finals this Sunday. You would hardly know the tournament was even on.  This year showed again why it needs a revamp. Loads of unplayed games.  Anyway, the outcome
A Final - Clonduff v Mayobridge
B Final - Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
These names look ever so familiar!! Swap Burren or Kilcoo in there for any of them and thats usually who you see in Minor/U21 finals. Where are the 'new' teams like Bredagh and Carryduff or are we still a couple of years away from that yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 03, 2015, 03:47:29 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on December 02, 2015, 11:43:54 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 02, 2015, 07:22:33 PM
Taken from Hoganstand



Coulter and Clarke in Mourne return?
02 December 2015

New Down manager Eamonn Burns hasn't given up hope on 2010 All-Stars Benny Coulter and Marty Clarke returning to the inter-county fold in 2016.

Speaking to The Belfast Telegraph at the launch of the Dr McKenna Cup competition, Burns revealed: "I have spoken to Benny and he has some work commitments at the minute. He hasn't committed yet.

"Marty is involved with Queen's University and I am speaking to James McCartan (Queen's manager) about the progress he is making.

"I am going to keep an eye on Marty throughout the McKenna Cup and see how he is progressing and make a decision then. But I haven't spoken to him at all.

"I think he is managing his medical condition, but as I haven't spoken to him, I don't want to say too much."

28-year-old Clarke suffers from Addington's Disease but his return would be a significant boost to the Mourne County's chances in the new year.

Meanwhile, the new man at the helm also revealed that Aidan Branigan and Gerard Colgan have joined his backroom team as selectors.

So this has been confirmed officially in the media, have clubs been notified? Would this genuinely be our worst Senior management team since the 1980's? I know we were prepared to be underwhelmed but surely we could have pooled together a better set up than this.

Are ye not getting a bit hysterical lads. They haven't even played a challenge game never mind a competitive game and you are asking this question about the management. Catch a grip and give them a chance lads ffs >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 03, 2015, 03:57:48 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 03, 2015, 03:47:29 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on December 02, 2015, 11:43:54 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 02, 2015, 07:22:33 PM
Taken from Hoganstand



Coulter and Clarke in Mourne return?
02 December 2015

New Down manager Eamonn Burns hasn't given up hope on 2010 All-Stars Benny Coulter and Marty Clarke returning to the inter-county fold in 2016.

Speaking to The Belfast Telegraph at the launch of the Dr McKenna Cup competition, Burns revealed: "I have spoken to Benny and he has some work commitments at the minute. He hasn't committed yet.

"Marty is involved with Queen's University and I am speaking to James McCartan (Queen's manager) about the progress he is making.

"I am going to keep an eye on Marty throughout the McKenna Cup and see how he is progressing and make a decision then. But I haven't spoken to him at all.

"I think he is managing his medical condition, but as I haven't spoken to him, I don't want to say too much."

28-year-old Clarke suffers from Addington's Disease but his return would be a significant boost to the Mourne County's chances in the new year.

Meanwhile, the new man at the helm also revealed that Aidan Branigan and Gerard Colgan have joined his backroom team as selectors.

So this has been confirmed officially in the media, have clubs been notified? Would this genuinely be our worst Senior management team since the 1980's? I know we were prepared to be underwhelmed but surely we could have pooled together a better set up than this.

Are ye not getting a bit hysterical lads. They haven't even played a challenge game never mind a competitive game and you are asking this question about the management. Catch a grip and give them a chance lads ffs >:(
+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on December 03, 2015, 04:17:30 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on December 03, 2015, 02:16:02 PM
Under 21 finals this Sunday. You would hardly know the tournament was even on.  This year showed again why it needs a revamp. Loads of unplayed games.  Anyway, the outcome
A Final - Clonduff v Mayobridge
B Final - Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
These names look ever so familiar!! Swap Burren or Kilcoo in there for any of them and thats usually who you see in Minor/U21 finals. Where are the 'new' teams like Bredagh and Carryduff or are we still a couple of years away from that yet?
Carryduff won the B u21 last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on December 03, 2015, 05:15:22 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on December 03, 2015, 04:17:30 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on December 03, 2015, 02:16:02 PM
Under 21 finals this Sunday. You would hardly know the tournament was even on.  This year showed again why it needs a revamp. Loads of unplayed games.  Anyway, the outcome
A Final - Clonduff v Mayobridge
B Final - Warrenpoint v Rostrevor
These names look ever so familiar!! Swap Burren or Kilcoo in there for any of them and thats usually who you see in Minor/U21 finals. Where are the 'new' teams like Bredagh and Carryduff or are we still a couple of years away from that yet?
Carryduff won the B u21 last year

They did indeed but the other 3 finalists were.....
Warrenpoint, Burren & Rostrevor.
Year before that,
Warrenpont & Burren - from memory there was no B final that year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on December 03, 2015, 07:37:19 PM
We are over the moon to be in the final after contesting a really tough group. Beating Warrenpoint last week was a great achievement considering we are playing with eight 2015 minors. Clonduff have a bit more experience and will be favourites but the conditions this time of year are a great leveller. Underage football is a stepping stone to senior and we are happy with our boys progression but a county title would be a nice end to 2015.
Title: Down senior football team
Post by: cut the crap on December 03, 2015, 10:15:56 PM
Now that Eamonn has selected his back room team what about giving him the chance to show what he can produce, all I read is negativity from so called down supporters , let's get behind our team and stop all the whinging , and I'm not on the county executive  nor part of any management team but having played for this county it pains and saddens me to read some of the posts on this forum and other social media sites so unless you have constructive and meaningful posts stay quiet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 03, 2015, 10:16:19 PM
Let's be honest. Very few give a shit about the u21 comp.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on December 04, 2015, 12:45:47 PM
One less thing for the mighty down men to worry about in 2016!

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1204/751253-odonoghue-ruled-out-of-kerrys-league-campaign/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1204/751253-odonoghue-ruled-out-of-kerrys-league-campaign/)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on December 04, 2015, 06:26:37 PM
Listen here ye prize doughnot i havent been on here before but i can see you have been with your negative retoric and mighterier than thou attitude , as i have said before would it not be nice to debate team selections, attittudes to current football rules, etc but dont come with destructive comment which you delight in come with a viable alternative which might tax your grey matter and stimulate constructive debate Mr Rosskar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on December 04, 2015, 07:30:47 PM
Quote from: downup on December 03, 2015, 01:42:23 PM
Management Appointments

Rostrevor - Shane Mulholland
Saval - Gareth Thornton
Longstone - Keith Kelly
Mayobridge - Frank Dawson
Castlewellan - Shorty had added Mark Doran to his set up
Burren - Sean Ward has added Mark Copeland to his set up
Banbridge - Gary Farrell

Bryansford - Brian Burns
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 04, 2015, 09:39:27 PM
Under 21s is a strange grade.

From under 6s to minor it's often a labour of love; just making sure that no matter how poor the collective is, that those players who have potential have the opportunity to progress. It's a great thing and ultimately it's what differentiates us from soccer in terms of player development (and if truth be told, a sense of place).


Under 21s doesn't have that and never will. You're dealing with players, some of who have made senior ball, some who are already drifting and won't come back, and some who have already given up and everyone knows it.

It can be a worthwhile exercise, but being as objective as I can, it's mostly just an exercise for the big clubs - those who've a little overflow of players who haven't quite made it mixed with a few superstars - to win some silverware.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pascal Brennan on December 05, 2015, 03:36:33 AM
I know the whole Kerry championship zoning has been discussed to death on how it would or wouldn't work for Down but perhaps it could be slightly abbreviated for the u21 league/championship. I know some teams already amalgamate. Each club in down should be ranked say 1-10 (Kilcoo being a 10, killyleagh say a 1 etc). A zone/team would have to consist of a minimum of 25 points, so you may have a Kilcoo, Leitrim and Castlewellan team or a Mayobridge, Clonduff, Drumgath and Annaclone. You could even have like a draft night were all clubs are represented and have to 'join/agree' a grouping. Really no club is going to bring through more than 5 players into a senior set up from any age group. The best players from each club gets to play with the best players in another for a small period of time. Each team/zone could realistically have t least one senior team involved meaning the best players from the junior and inter clubs would get experience of playing positions that wasn't chb/mf/chf. For me there should be no stand alone teams in u21 comp.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on December 05, 2015, 12:03:23 PM
Quote from: Pascal Brennan on December 05, 2015, 03:36:33 AM
I know the whole Kerry championship zoning has been discussed to death on how it would or wouldn't work for Down but perhaps it could be slightly abbreviated for the u21 league/championship. I know some teams already amalgamate. Each club in down should be ranked say 1-10 (Kilcoo being a 10, killyleagh say a 1 etc). A zone/team would have to consist of a minimum of 25 points, so you may have a Kilcoo, Leitrim and Castlewellan team or a Mayobridge, Clonduff, Drumgath and Annaclone. You could even have like a draft night were all clubs are represented and have to 'join/agree' a grouping. Really no club is going to bring through more than 5 players into a senior set up from any age group. The best players from each club gets to play with the best players in another for a small period of time. Each team/zone could realistically have t least one senior team involved meaning the best players from the junior and inter clubs would get experience of playing positions that wasn't chb/mf/chf. For me there should be no stand alone teams in u21 comp.

And what will you do with the bigger teams who have 20 players or maybe even more on their U21 panel? Leave half of them standing around the overcrowded bench?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on December 05, 2015, 01:26:21 PM
Quote from: Pascal Brennan on December 05, 2015, 03:36:33 AM
I know the whole Kerry championship zoning has been discussed to death on how it would or wouldn't work for Down but perhaps it could be slightly abbreviated for the u21 league/championship. I know some teams already amalgamate. Each club in down should be ranked say 1-10 (Kilcoo being a 10, killyleagh say a 1 etc). A zone/team would have to consist of a minimum of 25 points, so you may have a Kilcoo, Leitrim and Castlewellan team or a Mayobridge, Clonduff, Drumgath and Annaclone. You could even have like a draft night were all clubs are represented and have to 'join/agree' a grouping. Really no club is going to bring through more than 5 players into a senior set up from any age group. The best players from each club gets to play with the best players in another for a small period of time. Each team/zone could realistically have t least one senior team involved meaning the best players from the junior and inter clubs would get experience of playing positions that wasn't chb/mf/chf. For me there should be no stand alone teams in u21 comp.

In a word, NO.  Absolute madness.

Will the U.21 league alternate on Sundays with Premier Reserve league this year?  I seem to remember it being passed at last years Convention but deferred for a year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 05, 2015, 01:57:24 PM
Congratulations to my clubmate Robbie White who won an Allstar AND Player of the Year at the Down awards last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 05, 2015, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 05, 2015, 01:57:24 PM
Congratulations to my clubmate Robbie White who won an Allstar AND Player of the Year at the Down awards last night.
Did Robbie come up the through the underage for the Harps?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 05, 2015, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: SamFever on December 05, 2015, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 05, 2015, 01:57:24 PM
Congratulations to my clubmate Robbie White who won an Allstar AND Player of the Year at the Down awards last night.
Did Robbie come up the through the underage for the Harps?

Sure did. Outstanding underage player at every grade.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 05, 2015, 02:11:48 PM
Remember him playing CHF for Down minor team few years back, looked a good talent then!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on December 05, 2015, 05:43:10 PM
Congrats to all who won awards last night watched all these players each are very good Robbie White is a potential Down player Dan as we know is busy at the moment but in all honestly it is unfair to pose the question to him about returning to Down , it's time for the next crop of young players like Robbie and the lad Harrison to step forward , it's a new chapter in Down football , I wish nothing but the best to all involved , can't wait to see the likes of Kerry and Dublin against the red and black so onward and upward , it will not be easy but it will be interesting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rainbowman on December 05, 2015, 05:58:08 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 05, 2015, 01:26:21 PM
Quote from: Pascal Brennan on December 05, 2015, 03:36:33 AM
I know the whole Kerry championship zoning has been discussed to death on how it would or wouldn't work for Down but perhaps it could be slightly abbreviated for the u21 league/championship. I know some teams already amalgamate. Each club in down should be ranked say 1-10 (Kilcoo being a 10, killyleagh say a 1 etc). A zone/team would have to consist of a minimum of 25 points, so you may have a Kilcoo, Leitrim and Castlewellan team or a Mayobridge, Clonduff, Drumgath and Annaclone. You could even have like a draft night were all clubs are represented and have to 'join/agree' a grouping. Really no club is going to bring through more than 5 players into a senior set up from any age group. The best players from each club gets to play with the best players in another for a small period of time. Each team/zone could realistically have t least one senior team involved meaning the best players from the junior and inter clubs would get experience of playing positions that wasn't chb/mf/chf. For me there should be no stand alone teams in u21 comp.

In a word, NO.  Absolute madness.

Will the U.21 league alternate on Sundays with Premier Reserve league this year?  I seem to remember it being passed at last years Convention but deferred for a year.
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 05, 2015, 01:57:24 PM
Congratulations to my clubmate Robbie White who won an Allstar AND Player of the Year at the Down awards last night.
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 05, 2015, 01:57:24 PM
Congratulations to my clubmate Robbie White who won an Allstar AND Player of the Year at the Down awards last night.
Quote from: SamFever on December 05, 2015, 01:59:22 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 05, 2015, 01:57:24 PM
Congratulations to my clubmate Robbie White who won an Allstar AND Player of the Year at the Down awards last night.
Did Robbie come up the through the underage for the Harps?He didn't even make top 3 n south down player of year awards.Wat was the problem there??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 05, 2015, 08:41:01 PM
It is hard to believe that anyone who watched Down getting routinely destroyed at midfield last season could suggest we should move on without a fit again Dan Gordon who at 32 is playing the best football of his career. Even if he only returns when the league is under way, he is our best option in the position by a distance and would be instrumental in bringing younger prospects through. We need tall, mobile and physically strong players in the spine of our side if we are to have any chance of staying in D1 or making some kind of an impact in the championship. Gordon is a key man and we should do everything possible to get him on board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 05, 2015, 08:57:17 PM
Id have to agree with you 100% mournerover. As I said before, Kerry gave Declan OSullivan the winter off two years ago, to be ready for the championship, Dublin likewise with Alan Brogan this year. Gordon isnt a primadonna with a big headed attitude, he would be a positive influence in the dressing room, at his stage of life its unrealistic to ask him to commit to 5 nights a week training etc. A good man manager should accomodate him and arrange a suitable schedule to benefit the player and the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on December 06, 2015, 04:43:04 PM
Bringing Dan back might be answer but have a notion he won't come back , I believe there's more to his decision not to play last year , he is obviously enjoying his football now with his club than he has recently with Down , if he did come back it might only paper over the cracks , we need a starting point and we have it now with out Dan and Benny, let's see how it pans out who knows there might be a couple of teenagers ready to break onto the scene as did Benny against Antrim and Dan against Tyrone , well I'm praying
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 06, 2015, 04:55:10 PM
CTC, we obviously need to look at younger players but introducing teenagers at midfield in our division one campaign would be a recipe for disaster. Benny and Dan both started their county careers in the forward line, which makes perfect sense, and Dan later moved to midfield after he became physically stronger. It is possible that he will only make a decision on a return to the Down squad when Loughinisland's run in the IFC ends, but we need to give him every encouragement in the meantime.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 06, 2015, 05:35:46 PM
Dan is a super player but everyone needs to calm down here
Dan is playing inter football and doing well.But he had 10-12 years to produce that in division 1 and never dominated any of the top midfielders in Down
Int football is shocking and I should know
Don't get carried away here that LIsland won the int title
It's so poor it's unreal.What did Dan and his teammates do against the Stone??,?
Nothing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 06, 2015, 05:51:12 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 06, 2015, 05:35:46 PM
Dan is a super player but everyone needs to calm down here
Dan is playing inter football and doing well.But he had 10-12 years to produce that in division 1 and never dominated any of the top midfielders in Down
Int football is shocking and I should know
Don't get carried away here that LIsland won the int title
It's so poor it's unreal.What did Dan and his teammates do against the Stone??,?
Nothing

This would be my thinking too.

Dan might have been the best midfielder in Down club football for the past 15 years, but from what I remember all his best games in the red and black were at 3 or 14. He was a constant figure in our annual championship midfield collapses during the noughties too.

By the way I'm not trying to dismiss a very fine footballer and a great servant. But, especially now the game has moved to possession restarts, expecting a 33 year old to do something he hasn't really done before - and change Down's midfield fortunes, is a very hopeful kind of expectation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 06, 2015, 06:26:12 PM
Dan Gordon had some great games for down in midfield over the years. His versatility is all the more reason he  should be on the panel. I personally would rather see him at ff, and give us some sort of ball winner in there. If he has had enough and doesnt want to commit, fair enough, but if he can be accomodated I hope he is back in some capacity. I dont think anyone is suggesting he is going to single handedly keep us in div 1, but id rather see him on the pitch than watch some of the crap we witnessed last season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on December 06, 2015, 08:15:50 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 06, 2015, 05:35:46 PM
Dan is a super player but everyone needs to calm down here
Dan is playing inter football and doing well.But he had 10-12 years to produce that in division 1 and never dominated any of the top midfielders in Down
Int football is shocking and I should know
Don't get carried away here that LIsland won the int title
It's so poor it's unreal.What did Dan and his teammates do against the Stone??,?
Nothing

Who would these be?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on December 06, 2015, 08:23:16 PM
I don't think Dan's the answer to midfield problems and to be honest would be very surprised to see him back considering he has a young family. As Smurfy pointed out, the standard of intermediate is woeful and he should be playing the best football of his career at this level. Look at Ross McGarry last year, completed dominated for Warrenpoint but couldn't get near the staring team for the county. Looking at the teams Loughinisland have played this year there has been no one to even come close to challenging him.

He would be a great addition to the panel or even in some sort of coaching capacity to give the younger lads advice and pass on some experience but his days of starting in midfield I would say are over.

One last point, I'd say his finest performance in midfield for Down was against Tyrone in 08, so wouldn't say he was part of the "annual collapse". I'd say the reason for this was down to the fact any team knew if they took him out of the game Down had no one else to win ball in the middle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on December 06, 2015, 11:12:06 PM
Is Down intermediate shocking?we've produced the last two Ulster champions and it isn't because we had teams regrading themselves to have a crack at winning a club all ireland or Ulster.like various other counties.if you find yourself dropping from senior to intermediate in down its due to the fact that is your level.also Dan competed against peter Fitzpatrick from ballymartin who featured for the county at midfield in Ulster championship this year.the difference between a midfielder in division one and division two isn't as high as some of you would like to believe.the standard at the bottom of division one is not that far off the top of division two as a few teams will find out this year coming.
   I personally agree that Dan is not the answer at midfield.while I have no doubt he would be worth his place on the first fifteen it would be a short term fix.he would however be a great addition to the dressing room and surely not a bad option to have about the place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on December 07, 2015, 06:58:36 AM
Like Tyson I would love to know who the top midfielders in Down are and the match against Longstone was a farce due to the timing , however on the issue of whether Dan returns to the county should be left to Dan and any pressure from social media etc should stop as it serves no purpose and might be a negative factor in his final decision, I don't think he will back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on December 07, 2015, 09:36:31 AM
Quote from: east down gael on December 06, 2015, 11:12:06 PM
Is Down intermediate shocking?we've produced the last two Ulster champions and it isn't because we had teams regrading themselves to have a crack at winning a club all ireland or Ulster.like various other counties.if you find yourself dropping from senior to intermediate in down its due to the fact that is your level.also Dan competed against peter Fitzpatrick from ballymartin who featured for the county at midfield in Ulster championship this year.the difference between a midfielder in division one and division two isn't as high as some of you would like to believe.the standard at the bottom of division one is not that far off the top of division two as a few teams will find out this year coming.
   I personally agree that Dan is not the answer at midfield.while I have no doubt he would be worth his place on the first fifteen it would be a short term fix.he would however be a great addition to the dressing room and surely not a bad option to have about the place.

I would say that both Warrenpoint last year and Loughinisland this year are good enough to be playing senior football and are a step above every other intermediate team. Taking nothing away from their achievements. They can only beat what is in front of them and not many other clubs in Down have an Ulster title at any grade. Last year L'island had a few injuries, boys away for one reason or another and a management team who made a good few wrong calls. For all these reasons I'd say they are intermediate this year.

Pete Fitz did indeed feature for the county at midfield, but how did that play out? He got taken to the cleaners by both Dan and young Aaron McClements this year. He's not up to the standard required for an intercounty midfielder.

Agree with your last point that Dan would be a good addition to have in and around the set up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 08, 2015, 10:05:00 PM
Benny Coulter coming out of retirement to play for down again next year according to a interview with eamonn burns in tomorrow's Irish news.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 09, 2015, 12:58:40 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 08, 2015, 10:05:00 PM
Benny Coulter coming out of retirement to play for down again next year according to a interview with eamonn burns in tomorrow's Irish news.
Hopefully he do his talking on the pitch now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on December 09, 2015, 02:21:37 PM
word Is that benny is back and is captain.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on December 09, 2015, 11:19:48 PM
Sorry fellow Down fanatics, bringingBenny back is not the answer,yes he would be great as a selector but not back training , not for me what purpose does it serve , he's done his bit , I would rather be remembering him for all the right reasons, his skill, his power , his finishing, I don't want to be present when fickle fans start to verbally abuse him and be assured it will happen,we must look to the future , let's see how we get on in the league, it's going to be hard but it's going to be interesting but let's see a new team start to make their way, we as a county can't rely on the same players year in year out , and let's play with flair not defensively minded , it doesn't suit our players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 09, 2015, 11:44:15 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on December 09, 2015, 11:19:48 PM
Sorry fellow Down fanatics, bringingBenny back is not the answer,yes he would be great as a selector but not back training , not for me what purpose does it serve , he's done his bit , I would rather be remembering him for all the right reasons, his skill, his power , his finishing, I don't want to be present when fickle fans start to verbally abuse him and be assured it will happen,we must look to the future , let's see how we get on in the league, it's going to be hard but it's going to be interesting but let's see a new team start to make their way, we as a county can't rely on the same players year in year out , and let's play with flair not defensively minded , it doesn't suit our players
If Eamon Burns chooses Benny to be a part of his initial panel and Benny accepts then time will be the judge on whether both men have made the right decision.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on December 10, 2015, 04:26:54 PM
Could any one post how the leagues shape up next year? Are they finalised?

Apologies if they have been posted prior.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on December 10, 2015, 05:35:02 PM
Already posted a few pages back. Be quicker to look 👍
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on December 10, 2015, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: Predictor on October 25, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
So with new managers on the agenda atm

whos managing who for next year?
Division 1
Burren=sean ward
Bryansford= brian burns
Ballyholland= Steven poacher
Kilcoo= Paul McIlvor
Mayobridge=
Glenn=
CPN=
Clonduff=
Castlewellan= shorty trainer
Saval=Gareth thornton
Longstone=
Ballymartin=

Division 2
RGU Downpatrick=Conor Deegan
Rostrevor= Shane Mulholland
Annaclone=
Liatroim= Shane King
Clann na Banna= Gary Farrell
Loughinisland= Jerome Johnstone
Darragh Cross=
Tullylish= was Eamon Burns but now with County
Bredagh=
An Riocht=
Carryduff=
St. John's= Paul McShane

Division 3
Attical=
Drumaness=
Bosco=
Saul=
Dromara=
Shamrocks=
Kilclief=
Drumgath=
Glassdrumman= Emmett Devlin
Teconnaught=

Division 4
Aughlisnafin=
Dundrum=
Mitchels=
Ardglass= Ryan Kelly
St pauls=
Bright= Noel Burke
St Michaels=
Aghaderg=
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar


Leagues next year and managers that i know of
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 11, 2015, 08:41:37 AM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on December 10, 2015, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: Predictor on October 25, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
So with new managers on the agenda atm

whos managing who for next year?
Division 1
Burren=sean ward
Bryansford= brian burns
Ballyholland= Steven poacher
Kilcoo= Paul McIlvor
Mayobridge=
Glenn=
CPN=
Clonduff=
Castlewellan= shorty trainer
Saval=Gareth thornton
Longstone=
Ballymartin=

Division 2
RGU Downpatrick=Conor Deegan
Rostrevor= Shane Mulholland
Annaclone=
Liatroim= Shane King
Clann na Banna= Gary Farrell
Loughinisland= Jerome Johnstone
Darragh Cross=
Tullylish= was Eamon Burns but now with County
Bredagh=
An Riocht=
Carryduff=
St. John's= Paul McShane

Division 3
Attical=
Drumaness=
Bosco=
Saul=
Dromara=
Shamrocks=
Kilclief=
Drumgath=
Glassdrumman= Emmett Devlin
Teconnaught=

Division 4
Aughlisnafin=
Dundrum=
Mitchels=
Ardglass= Ryan Kelly
St pauls=
Bright= Noel Burke
St Michaels=
Aghaderg=
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar


Leagues next year and managers that i know of
We should put a predicted finishing position beside each Team and in some cases a £'s symbol as indicator how much a lot of theses Managers are costing the Clubs. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 11, 2015, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: SamFever on December 11, 2015, 08:41:37 AM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on December 10, 2015, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: Predictor on October 25, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
So with new managers on the agenda atm

whos managing who for next year?
Division 1
Burren=sean ward
Bryansford= brian burns
Ballyholland= Steven poacher
Kilcoo= Paul McIlvor
Mayobridge=
Glenn=
CPN=
Clonduff=
Castlewellan= shorty trainer
Saval=Gareth thornton
Longstone=
Ballymartin=

Division 2
RGU Downpatrick=Conor Deegan
Rostrevor= Shane Mulholland
Annaclone=
Liatroim= Shane King
Clann na Banna= Gary Farrell
Loughinisland= Jerome Johnstone
Darragh Cross=
Tullylish= was Eamon Burns but now with County
Bredagh=
An Riocht=
Carryduff=
St. John's= Paul McShane

Division 3
Attical=
Drumaness=
Bosco=
Saul=
Dromara=
Shamrocks=
Kilclief=
Drumgath=
Glassdrumman= Emmett Devlin
Teconnaught=

Division 4
Aughlisnafin=
Dundrum=
Mitchels=
Ardglass= Ryan Kelly
St pauls=
Bright= Noel Burke
St Michaels=
Aghaderg=
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar


Leagues next year and managers that i know of
We should put a predicted finishing position beside each Team and in some cases a £'s symbol as indicator how much a lot of theses Managers are costing the Clubs. ;D ;D

We've never had an outside manager or paid anyone to manage anything, how do clubs afford it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on December 11, 2015, 10:59:01 AM
whos managing who for next year?

Division 1
Burren=Sean Ward
Bryansford= Brian Burns
Ballyholland= Steven Poacher
Kilcoo= Paul McIvor
Mayobridge=Frank Dawson
Glenn=John Kennedy
CPN= Bernie Ruane
Clonduff=
Castlewellan= Shorty Treanor
Saval=Gareth Thornton
Longstone=Keith Kelly
Ballymartin=Hugh Trainor

Division 2
RGU Downpatrick= Conor Deegan
Rostrevor= Shane Mulholland
Annaclone= Justy Lynch
Liatroim= Shane King
Clann na Banna= Gary Farrell
Loughinisland= Jerome Johnstone
Darragh Cross= Brendan Mason
Tullylish=
Bredagh= Jody Gormley
An Riocht=
Carryduff=
St. John's= Paul McShane

Division 3
Attical=
Drumaness= John Morgan
Bosco= Darren Quinn
Saul= Cathal Murray
Dromara=
Shamrocks=
Kilclief=
Drumgath=
Glassdrumman= Emmett Devlin
Teconnaught= Kyran Smyth

Division 4
Aughlisnafin=
Dundrum=
Mitchels=
Ardglass= Ryan Kelly
St Pauls=
Bright= Noel Burke
St Michaels=
Aghaderg=
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACH on December 11, 2015, 01:21:25 PM
Near sure i heard Teconnaught were looking a new manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 11, 2015, 02:19:26 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 11, 2015, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: SamFever on December 11, 2015, 08:41:37 AM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on December 10, 2015, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: Predictor on October 25, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
So with new managers on the agenda atm

whos managing who for next year?
Division 1
Burren=sean ward
Bryansford= brian burns
Ballyholland= Steven poacher
Kilcoo= Paul McIlvor
Mayobridge=
Glenn=
CPN=
Clonduff=
Castlewellan= shorty trainer
Saval=Gareth thornton
Longstone=
Ballymartin=

Division 2
RGU Downpatrick=Conor Deegan
Rostrevor= Shane Mulholland
Annaclone=
Liatroim= Shane King
Clann na Banna= Gary Farrell
Loughinisland= Jerome Johnstone
Darragh Cross=
Tullylish= was Eamon Burns but now with County
Bredagh=
An Riocht=
Carryduff=
St. John's= Paul McShane

Division 3
Attical=
Drumaness=
Bosco=
Saul=
Dromara=
Shamrocks=
Kilclief=
Drumgath=
Glassdrumman= Emmett Devlin
Teconnaught=

Division 4
Aughlisnafin=
Dundrum=
Mitchels=
Ardglass= Ryan Kelly
St pauls=
Bright= Noel Burke
St Michaels=
Aghaderg=
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar


Leagues next year and managers that i know of
We should put a predicted finishing position beside each Team and in some cases a £'s symbol as indicator how much a lot of theses Managers are costing the Clubs. ;D ;D

We've never had an outside manager or paid anyone to manage anything, how do clubs afford it?

Fair Play JC, but I think it's important to realise that every club's resources , status and tradition etc are different. Ballygalget  don't need to look outside , as you could throw a stone anywhere in Ballygalget and hit a knowledgeable experienced Hurling man , with Down and Ulster medals. Success breeds success, and as a result retired players are keen to remain involved in the club. Compare that scenario with a club that hasn't a tradition of success, often former players don't remain involved and if they do , many don't have the experience and knowledge to command the respect of players. Many clubs lack that winning tradition but are ambitious for success. If they can't find a member with the desire , capability and kudos to be a good coach, Then quite rightly they will  look to bring outside expertise for the benefit of the club.  Our club have had several outside managers and in every case they have been impressive individuals who have made a very positive impact with our players and the club on many levels. They are true gaels who have a love of the game and enjoy coaching and giving their time and expertise. Another spinoff of outside senior team coaches is that some of our best internal coaches are then freed up to help with underage teams. In short whereas clubs like Ballygalget have enjoyed tremendous success by remaining in-house, other clubs have benefitted from an outside influence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on December 11, 2015, 07:13:58 PM
An riocht new manger is brendan mc veigh  senior
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on December 13, 2015, 01:57:57 PM
Teconnaught - Dan Rice
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 14, 2015, 01:00:15 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 11, 2015, 02:19:26 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 11, 2015, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: SamFever on December 11, 2015, 08:41:37 AM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on December 10, 2015, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: Predictor on October 25, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
So with new managers on the agenda atm

whos managing who for next year?
Division 1
Burren=sean ward
Bryansford= brian burns
Ballyholland= Steven poacher
Kilcoo= Paul McIlvor
Mayobridge=
Glenn=
CPN=
Clonduff=
Castlewellan= shorty trainer
Saval=Gareth thornton
Longstone=
Ballymartin=

Division 2
RGU Downpatrick=Conor Deegan
Rostrevor= Shane Mulholland
Annaclone=
Liatroim= Shane King
Clann na Banna= Gary Farrell
Loughinisland= Jerome Johnstone
Darragh Cross=
Tullylish= was Eamon Burns but now with County
Bredagh=
An Riocht=
Carryduff=
St. John's= Paul McShane

Division 3
Attical=
Drumaness=
Bosco=
Saul=
Dromara=
Shamrocks=
Kilclief=
Drumgath=
Glassdrumman= Emmett Devlin
Teconnaught=

Division 4
Aughlisnafin=
Dundrum=
Mitchels=
Ardglass= Ryan Kelly
St pauls=
Bright= Noel Burke
St Michaels=
Aghaderg=
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar


Leagues next year and managers that i know of
We should put a predicted finishing position beside each Team and in some cases a £'s symbol as indicator how much a lot of theses Managers are costing the Clubs. ;D ;D

We've never had an outside manager or paid anyone to manage anything, how do clubs afford it?

Fair Play JC, but I think it's important to realise that every club's resources , status and tradition etc are different. Ballygalget  don't need to look outside , as you could throw a stone anywhere in Ballygalget and hit a knowledgeable experienced Hurling man , with Down and Ulster medals. Success breeds success, and as a result retired players are keen to remain involved in the club. Compare that scenario with a club that hasn't a tradition of success, often former players don't remain involved and if they do , many don't have the experience and knowledge to command the respect of players. Many clubs lack that winning tradition but are ambitious for success. If they can't find a member with the desire , capability and kudos to be a good coach, Then quite rightly they will  look to bring outside expertise for the benefit of the club.  Our club have had several outside managers and in every case they have been impressive individuals who have made a very positive impact with our players and the club on many levels. They are true gaels who have a love of the game and enjoy coaching and giving their time and expertise. Another spinoff of outside senior team coaches is that some of our best internal coaches are then freed up to help with underage teams. In short whereas clubs like Ballygalget have enjoyed tremendous success by remaining in-house, other clubs have benefitted from an outside influence.
6th Sam,there is no justification for your Club to be paying one of these "true Gaels" a fortune to end up in Div 3.Has his presence improved your set-up?I see he's your Manager for 2016.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 14, 2015, 01:38:16 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 11, 2015, 02:19:26 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 11, 2015, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: SamFever on December 11, 2015, 08:41:37 AM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on December 10, 2015, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: Predictor on October 25, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
So with new managers on the agenda atm

whos managing who for next year?
Division 1
Burren=sean ward
Bryansford= brian burns
Ballyholland= Steven poacher
Kilcoo= Paul McIlvor
Mayobridge=
Glenn=
CPN=
Clonduff=
Castlewellan= shorty trainer
Saval=Gareth thornton
Longstone=
Ballymartin=

Division 2
RGU Downpatrick=Conor Deegan
Rostrevor= Shane Mulholland
Annaclone=
Liatroim= Shane King
Clann na Banna= Gary Farrell
Loughinisland= Jerome Johnstone
Darragh Cross=
Tullylish= was Eamon Burns but now with County
Bredagh=
An Riocht=
Carryduff=
St. John's= Paul McShane

Division 3
Attical=
Drumaness=
Bosco=
Saul=
Dromara=
Shamrocks=
Kilclief=
Drumgath=
Glassdrumman= Emmett Devlin
Teconnaught=

Division 4
Aughlisnafin=
Dundrum=
Mitchels=
Ardglass= Ryan Kelly
St pauls=
Bright= Noel Burke
St Michaels=
Aghaderg=
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar


Leagues next year and managers that i know of
We should put a predicted finishing position beside each Team and in some cases a £'s symbol as indicator how much a lot of theses Managers are costing the Clubs. ;D ;D

We've never had an outside manager or paid anyone to manage anything, how do clubs afford it?

Fair Play JC, but I think it's important to realise that every club's resources , status and tradition etc are different. Ballygalget  don't need to look outside , as you could throw a stone anywhere in Ballygalget and hit a knowledgeable experienced Hurling man , with Down and Ulster medals. Success breeds success, and as a result retired players are keen to remain involved in the club. Compare that scenario with a club that hasn't a tradition of success, often former players don't remain involved and if they do , many don't have the experience and knowledge to command the respect of players. Many clubs lack that winning tradition but are ambitious for success. If they can't find a member with the desire , capability and kudos to be a good coach, Then quite rightly they will  look to bring outside expertise for the benefit of the club.  Our club have had several outside managers and in every case they have been impressive individuals who have made a very positive impact with our players and the club on many levels. They are true gaels who have a love of the game and enjoy coaching and giving their time and expertise. Another spinoff of outside senior team coaches is that some of our best internal coaches are then freed up to help with underage teams. In short whereas clubs like Ballygalget have enjoyed tremendous success by remaining in-house, other clubs have benefitted from an outside influence.

I wouldn't say everything is as rosy in our garden as that, and we've been fortunate that people have come forward in the last few years, but we've also had to go looking internally as no one has expressed an interest.

We don't always get it right, but like players we're accepting that managers and coaches are volunteers, everyone is doing their level best and the club will support them, i.e. bring in external coaches for specialist training for a few nights or whatever, but some of the figures I've heard bandied about for clubs supposedly paying managers and trainers is a world away from our budgets.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on December 14, 2015, 02:00:36 PM
Noticed on the Down GAA website that the U21'S have 3 fixtures in Jan, any news on the make up of the squad yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 14, 2015, 10:41:06 PM
Quote from: SamFever on December 14, 2015, 01:00:15 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 11, 2015, 02:19:26 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 11, 2015, 09:03:27 AM
Quote from: SamFever on December 11, 2015, 08:41:37 AM
Quote from: EIREANNACH on December 10, 2015, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: Predictor on October 25, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
So with new managers on the agenda atm

whos managing who for next year?
Division 1
Burren=sean ward
Bryansford= brian burns
Ballyholland= Steven poacher
Kilcoo= Paul McIlvor
Mayobridge=
Glenn=
CPN=
Clonduff=
Castlewellan= shorty trainer
Saval=Gareth thornton
Longstone=
Ballymartin=

Division 2
RGU Downpatrick=Conor Deegan
Rostrevor= Shane Mulholland
Annaclone=
Liatroim= Shane King
Clann na Banna= Gary Farrell
Loughinisland= Jerome Johnstone
Darragh Cross=
Tullylish= was Eamon Burns but now with County
Bredagh=
An Riocht=
Carryduff=
St. John's= Paul McShane

Division 3
Attical=
Drumaness=
Bosco=
Saul=
Dromara=
Shamrocks=
Kilclief=
Drumgath=
Glassdrumman= Emmett Devlin
Teconnaught=

Division 4
Aughlisnafin=
Dundrum=
Mitchels=
Ardglass= Ryan Kelly
St pauls=
Bright= Noel Burke
St Michaels=
Aghaderg=
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar


Leagues next year and managers that i know of
We should put a predicted finishing position beside each Team and in some cases a £'s symbol as indicator how much a lot of theses Managers are costing the Clubs. ;D ;D

We've never had an outside manager or paid anyone to manage anything, how do clubs afford it?

Fair Play JC, but I think it's important to realise that every club's resources , status and tradition etc are different. Ballygalget  don't need to look outside , as you could throw a stone anywhere in Ballygalget and hit a knowledgeable experienced Hurling man , with Down and Ulster medals. Success breeds success, and as a result retired players are keen to remain involved in the club. Compare that scenario with a club that hasn't a tradition of success, often former players don't remain involved and if they do , many don't have the experience and knowledge to command the respect of players. Many clubs lack that winning tradition but are ambitious for success. If they can't find a member with the desire , capability and kudos to be a good coach, Then quite rightly they will  look to bring outside expertise for the benefit of the club.  Our club have had several outside managers and in every case they have been impressive individuals who have made a very positive impact with our players and the club on many levels. They are true gaels who have a love of the game and enjoy coaching and giving their time and expertise. Another spinoff of outside senior team coaches is that some of our best internal coaches are then freed up to help with underage teams. In short whereas clubs like Ballygalget have enjoyed tremendous success by remaining in-house, other clubs have benefitted from an outside influence.
6th Sam,there is no justification for your Club to be paying one of these "true Gaels" a fortune to end up in Div 3.Has his presence improved your set-up?I see he's your Manager for 2016.
Let those without sin cast the first stone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 15, 2015, 09:05:36 AM
in relation to the secretary's report for convention he mentions Back in 2013 we set about engaging in a Consultative process in an attempt to find the best wayforward for Gaelic Football in Down and to see how we could ultimately develop a pathway whereby emerging talent would be identified and channelled in the direction of creating a conveyor of players the County. The published plan clearly sets out what we hope to achieve

Does anyone on here know where this was published, where it can be viewed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 15, 2015, 05:41:26 PM
 Plenty of work being put into getting a Minor Squad for next year. South/East Down as well as the Belfast area all
having various sessions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 16, 2015, 07:14:06 AM
Still no word on the Down squad yet? See Antrim and Donegal both named there Mc Kenna Cup squads yesterday. Anyone know many of the new  players called in??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on December 17, 2015, 03:11:11 PM
So coaches now are going to have to inform kids that if you want to play this sport at a high level make sure you are prepared to give blood tests whenever demanded. Thank god I no longer play. In my opinion this is just a step too far. We can all talk about the great facilities, administrators, county and club boards, managers etc etc that the GAA has but without players there would be no GAA. Now according to our county secretary they are being told if you want to play for Down that you must put your life on hold, oh and by the way we are going to blood test you as well just to make sure your not cheating when your doing your six or seven times a week sessions before or after your days work. This has got out of control. So our county secretary has received a 7 year employment contract from croke park, does there be any reviews on his or any other county secretary's job performance or is it once your in your in? By the way I'm not saying they don't have a hard job or don't work hard or that the blood testing is anything to do with them, I'm merely venting that it always seems to be players that get s**t upon when it comes to crossing t's and dotting i's in our sport. A lot of things I just shrug my shoulders at but this to me is definitely a step too far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 17, 2015, 04:49:38 PM
I thought we were moving away from the personal abuse. Disgraceful.

Ps you can't justify your previous comments by tagging a disclaimer sentence at the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 17, 2015, 05:39:51 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 17, 2015, 04:49:38 PM
I thought we were moving away from the personal abuse. Disgraceful.

Ps you can't justify your previous comments by tagging a disclaimer sentence at the end.
Supersub, who are you speaking to here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 17, 2015, 08:47:53 PM
The post directly above my own
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on December 17, 2015, 09:05:10 PM
Was the County Secretary Report / Comments with regards players attitude and commitment justified? Should we not be backing our players to the hilt at least in public and whatever problems need resolved or questions asked be done in private... .distasteful way to question players attitude doing there best irrespective of results.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on December 17, 2015, 09:17:51 PM
Quote from: thebar on December 17, 2015, 09:05:10 PM
Was the County Secretary Report / Comments with regards players attitude and commitment justified? Should we not be backing our players to the hilt at least in public and whatever problems need resolved or questions asked be done in private... .distasteful way to question players attitude doing there best irrespective of results.

Completely agree. Doing himself no favours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on December 17, 2015, 10:01:56 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on December 17, 2015, 09:17:51 PM
Quote from: thebar on December 17, 2015, 09:05:10 PM
Was the County Secretary Report / Comments with regards players attitude and commitment justified? Should we not be backing our players to the hilt at least in public and whatever problems need resolved or questions asked be done in private... .distasteful way to question players attitude doing there best irrespective of results.

Completely agree. Doing himself no favours.

And this individual has been apparently been given 7 more years as secretary.  Is this renewed by Croke Park or does he have to apply for it.  Good job it's not performance related.

His report covers many areas but there is one really worrying area for me.  It will take until June 2032 repaying at the present rate the Debit to Croke Park when it will have been paid in full, tell me this but what have we got to show for it?  It's not like we have a Centre of Excellence like many counties in Ireland so how have we run up this debt?  And we keep putting these people back in charge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on December 17, 2015, 11:12:01 PM
This loan was to pay of the remainder of the debt of Burrenbridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 17, 2015, 11:21:59 PM
Load of keyboard warriors on here who haven't a clue what they are talking about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on December 18, 2015, 09:35:17 AM
Quote from: NP 76 on December 17, 2015, 11:12:01 PM
This loan was to pay of the remainder of the debt of Burrenbridge.

What is this in relation to?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on December 18, 2015, 10:08:29 AM
Supersub wind your neck in, I personally abused no one or can you not read!!! I made two distinct points, one regarding blood testing players and the other regarding a seven year appointment of our county secretary in which I questioned a performance review or the lack of. Before you jump on the bandwagon of tagging every comment people make as personal abuse take a bit of time and read what is in front of you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on December 18, 2015, 11:01:56 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 17, 2015, 11:21:59 PM
Load of keyboard warriors on here who haven't a clue what they are talking about.

No keyboard warrior I was commenting on what was published...when one of your own questions your attitude in print for the everyone to see you have to ask the question why? Is this not the role of the manager and his team to be done behind closed doors if needed? Should the County Secretary be getting involved in team affairs like this in a public way? Why appoint a manager to look after the team at all? Apologizes if I 'haven't a clue' but questioning players in this way is wrong - shows a lack of class.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on December 18, 2015, 02:05:09 PM
If a club secretary publicly questioned its senior players committment in their AGM report they would not have a senior team for the incoming year.

i personally thought the report was emotionally driven and personally opinionated and a platform to blame everyone else but themselves.

a rule of thumb - if its not positive keep it to yourself

better to pen a few paragraphs of positivity than pages of drivel . everyone that follows Down GAA dont need a report on what went wrong - better to say how can we get it right
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on December 18, 2015, 02:06:55 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on December 18, 2015, 02:05:09 PM
If a club secretary publicly questioned its senior players committment in their AGM report they would not have a senior team for the incoming year.

i personally thought the report was emotionally driven and personally opinionated and a platform to blame everyone else but themselves.

a rule of thumb - if its not positive keep it to yourself

better to pen a few paragraphs of positivity than pages of drivel . everyone that follows Down GAA dont need a report on what went wrong - better to say how can we get it right

+100000
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 18, 2015, 04:51:00 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on December 17, 2015, 11:21:59 PM
Load of keyboard warriors on here who haven't a clue what they are talking about.
The fuss had all died down about McCorry and the long approach to getting us a Senior Manager and then our Secretary drags it all out into the print media.Very thoughtful and measured lunacy.Actually quite vindictive on the edge of Christmas.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 18, 2015, 10:26:52 PM
Quote from: downup on December 18, 2015, 10:08:29 AM
Supersub wind your neck in, I personally abused no one or can you not read!!! I made two distinct points, one regarding blood testing players and the other regarding a seven year appointment of our county secretary in which I questioned a performance review or the lack of. Before you jump on the bandwagon of tagging every comment people make as personal abuse take a bit of time and read what is in front of you.

No need to get excited.

I will say this, if someone was publicly inadvertently questioning your job and livelyhood would you like it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on December 19, 2015, 10:13:52 PM
Interesting points made about secretary, let me add , there's no doubting he works hard but sometimes it's better to work smarter not harder , he doesn't delegate so gets little help , he likes to have control of everything Down does that make him a bad , no just a control junkie,we have a few things wrong at present , it's incomprehensible that we have several still on the executive that presided over the Burren bridge fiasco, they should be asked to leave, we have a high profile county player who delighted in rubbishing his beloved county in the local newry newspaper, again he should be asked to choose, paper or county he can't ride two horses at the same time, why wasn't Croke park not advised what was going down with Burrenbridge deal, apparently they were pulled in when the extent of the loss was revealed-a mess , and finally what's the feeling regarding the proposal which was voted down to let the executive have sole control in appointing all county managers, thankfully it was defeated but it leaves me questioning the motive and finally as an east down Gael why did we as a county fund the erection of lights in the Abbey , presently the minors are training in Ballykinlar , why did we as a county not upgrade those lights, maybe to sensible
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on December 20, 2015, 01:30:52 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on December 19, 2015, 10:13:52 PM
Interesting points made about secretary, let me add , there's no doubting he works hard but sometimes it's better to work smarter not harder , he doesn't delegate so gets little help , he likes to have control of everything Down does that make him a bad , no just a control junkie,we have a few things wrong at present , it's incomprehensible that we have several still on the executive that presided over the Burren bridge fiasco, they should be asked to leave, we have a high profile county player who delighted in rubbishing his beloved county in the local newry newspaper, again he should be asked to choose, paper or county he can't ride two horses at the same time, why wasn't Croke park not advised what was going down with Burrenbridge deal, apparently they were pulled in when the extent of the loss was revealed-a mess , and finally what's the feeling regarding the proposal which was voted down to let the executive have sole control in appointing all county managers, thankfully it was defeated but it leaves me questioning the motive and finally as an east down Gael why did we as a county fund the erection of lights in the Abbey , presently the minors are training in Ballykinlar , why did we as a county not upgrade those lights, maybe to sensible
My God,your grammar is terrible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on December 20, 2015, 09:39:42 PM
The use of the English language isn't the topic here but if it's your field of expertise why not  create a new topic for discussion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaffer on December 20, 2015, 11:22:07 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on December 20, 2015, 09:39:42 PM
The use of the English language isn't the topic here but if it's your field of expertise why not  create a new topic for discussion.

No grammatical errors there except for the missing ? at the end!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on December 21, 2015, 01:00:04 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on December 19, 2015, 10:13:52 PM
Interesting points made about secretary, let me add , there's no doubting he works hard but sometimes it's better to work smarter not harder , he doesn't delegate so gets little help , he likes to have control of everything Down does that make him a bad , no just a control junkie,we have a few things wrong at present , it's incomprehensible that we have several still on the executive that presided over the Burren bridge fiasco, they should be asked to leave, we have a high profile county player who delighted in rubbishing his beloved county in the local newry newspaper, again he should be asked to choose, paper or county he can't ride two horses at the same time, why wasn't Croke park not advised what was going down with Burrenbridge deal, apparently they were pulled in when the extent of the loss was revealed-a mess , and finally what's the feeling regarding the proposal which was voted down to let the executive have sole control in appointing all county managers, thankfully it was defeated but it leaves me questioning the motive and finally as an east down Gael why did we as a county fund the erection of lights in the Abbey , presently the minors are training in Ballykinlar , why did we as a county not upgrade those lights, maybe to sensible

x2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on December 21, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on December 19, 2015, 10:13:52 PM
Interesting points made about secretary, let me add , there's no doubting he works hard but sometimes it's better to work smarter not harder , he doesn't delegate so gets little help , he likes to have control of everything Down does that make him a bad , no just a control junkie,we have a few things wrong at present , it's incomprehensible that we have several still on the executive that presided over the Burren bridge fiasco, they should be asked to leave, we have a high profile county player who delighted in rubbishing his beloved county in the local newry newspaper, again he should be asked to choose, paper or county he can't ride two horses at the same time, why wasn't Croke park not advised what was going down with Burrenbridge deal, apparently they were pulled in when the extent of the loss was revealed-a mess , and finally what's the feeling regarding the proposal which was voted down to let the executive have sole control in appointing all county managers, thankfully it was defeated but it leaves me questioning the motive and finally as an east down Gael why did we as a county fund the erection of lights in the Abbey , presently the minors are training in Ballykinlar , why did we as a county not upgrade those lights, maybe to sensible

Could any one provide a general explanation of this Burrenbridge deal please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 21, 2015, 11:39:13 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on December 21, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on December 19, 2015, 10:13:52 PM
Interesting points made about secretary, let me add , there's no doubting he works hard but sometimes it's better to work smarter not harder , he doesn't delegate so gets little help , he likes to have control of everything Down does that make him a bad , no just a control junkie,we have a few things wrong at present , it's incomprehensible that we have several still on the executive that presided over the Burren bridge fiasco, they should be asked to leave, we have a high profile county player who delighted in rubbishing his beloved county in the local newry newspaper, again he should be asked to choose, paper or county he can't ride two horses at the same time, why wasn't Croke park not advised what was going down with Burrenbridge deal, apparently they were pulled in when the extent of the loss was revealed-a mess , and finally what's the feeling regarding the proposal which was voted down to let the executive have sole control in appointing all county managers, thankfully it was defeated but it leaves me questioning the motive and finally as an east down Gael why did we as a county fund the erection of lights in the Abbey , presently the minors are training in Ballykinlar , why did we as a county not upgrade those lights, maybe to sensible

Could any one provide a general explanation of this Burrenbridge deal please?

On the Burrenbridge/St Patricks Park, Newcastle/Tesco deal which I believe you are referring to I think you're wrong to single out the executive for this as our CB delegate was able to keep us informed of the progress/lack off and your CB delegate should have been able to do the same. I don't think any club delegate spoke out against it.
TBH the figures bandied about at the time would have been a game changer for Down GAA and it was no wonder they pursued it.
The land deal at Burrenbridge was to facilitate the move of Bryansford from St Patricks park and rightly so. The land prices mentioned were crazy, but so was the money on offer for the land in Newcastle.
I can't say there was one particular reason it fell through, delays in planning applications, the building bubble bursting and all that, but in all fairness if our executive hadn't seriously looked into this they'd have been castigated for being too conservative.
Of all the mistakes they've made over the years, this is one mistake, a costly one yes, is one they had to take.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 21, 2015, 02:07:49 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on December 21, 2015, 11:59:54 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on December 21, 2015, 11:39:13 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on December 21, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on December 19, 2015, 10:13:52 PM
Interesting points made about secretary, let me add , there's no doubting he works hard but sometimes it's better to work smarter not harder , he doesn't delegate so gets little help , he likes to have control of everything Down does that make him a bad , no just a control junkie,we have a few things wrong at present , it's incomprehensible that we have several still on the executive that presided over the Burren bridge fiasco, they should be asked to leave, we have a high profile county player who delighted in rubbishing his beloved county in the local newry newspaper, again he should be asked to choose, paper or county he can't ride two horses at the same time, why wasn't Croke park not advised what was going down with Burrenbridge deal, apparently they were pulled in when the extent of the loss was revealed-a mess , and finally what's the feeling regarding the proposal which was voted down to let the executive have sole control in appointing all county managers, thankfully it was defeated but it leaves me questioning the motive and finally as an east down Gael why did we as a county fund the erection of lights in the Abbey , presently the minors are training in Ballykinlar , why did we as a county not upgrade those lights, maybe to sensible

Could any one provide a general explanation of this Burrenbridge deal please?

On the Burrenbridge/St Patricks Park, Newcastle/Tesco deal which I believe you are referring to I think you're wrong to single out the executive for this as our CB delegate was able to keep us informed of the progress/lack off and your CB delegate should have been able to do the same. I don't think any club delegate spoke out against it.
TBH the figures bandied about at the time would have been a game changer for Down GAA and it was no wonder they pursued it.
The land deal at Burrenbridge was to facilitate the move of Bryansford from St Patricks park and rightly so. The land prices mentioned were crazy, but so was the money on offer for the land in Newcastle.
I can't say there was one particular reason it fell through, delays in planning applications, the building bubble bursting and all that, but in all fairness if our executive hadn't seriously looked into this they'd have been castigated for being too conservative.
Of all the mistakes they've made over the years, this is one mistake, a costly one yes, is one they had to take.
JC,you're correct in most of what you say but the MISTAKE made was that we paid a non-refundable Deposit of over 400K,against the advice of our County legal people.

Two points, who's to say the land owner in question would have accepted the terms of a refundable deposit and if they'd refused we'd be looking for somewhere else to house Bryansford. In hindsight it was the wrong decision, but if they'd pulled it off there wouldn't have been a word about it, and secondly 'we' is the key word here, I'm presuming the entire county executive, trustee's and all were informed all along and part of the decision making process.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on December 21, 2015, 06:58:49 PM
But that's the point no one other than the executive members involved knew about the non refundable deposit, those executive members went against legal advice in making such a deposit.The same members didn't inform the county board, had they done so it wouldn't have occurred as there are enough gifted businessmen and women in Down football to ensure such folly wouldn't occur.
Sack those executive members as they failed Down Gaels and I would hazard a guess that some of the same executive members are failed business people themselves and are hardly the calibre we need to steer us out of this mess.In order to achieve success on the field we need the proper administrative structures in place and the right people to be part of these structures.
It will be some achievement to rid the county of 1.4 million of debt payable by 10k each month for 17yrs , set up a centre of excellence and get Sam to come up again and see the mountains of Mourne, I wait more in hope than anticipation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 21, 2015, 07:30:37 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on December 21, 2015, 06:58:49 PM
But that's the point no one other than the executive members involved knew about the non refundable deposit, those executive members went against legal advice in making such a deposit.The same members didn't inform the county board, had they done so it wouldn't have occurred as there are enough gifted businessmen and women in Down football to ensure such folly wouldn't occur.
Sack those executive members as they failed Down Gaels and I would hazard a guess that some of the same executive members are failed business people themselves and are hardly the calibre we need to steer us out of this mess.In order to achieve success on the field we need the proper administrative structures in place and the right people to be part of these structures.
It will be some achievement to rid the county of 1.4 million of debt payable by 10k each month for 17yrs , set up a centre of excellence and get Sam to come up again and see the mountains of Mourne, I wait more in hope than anticipation.
GM,quiet please.Sshh!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 22, 2015, 11:42:33 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on December 21, 2015, 06:58:49 PM
But that's the point no one other than the executive members involved knew about the non refundable deposit, those executive members went against legal advice in making such a deposit.The same members didn't inform the county board, had they done so it wouldn't have occurred as there are enough gifted businessmen and women in Down football to ensure such folly wouldn't occur.
Sack those executive members as they failed Down Gaels and I would hazard a guess that some of the same executive members are failed business people themselves and are hardly the calibre we need to steer us out of this mess.In order to achieve success on the field we need the proper administrative structures in place and the right people to be part of these structures.
It will be some achievement to rid the county of 1.4 million of debt payable by 10k each month for 17yrs , set up a centre of excellence and get Sam to come up again and see the mountains of Mourne, I wait more in hope than anticipation.
I can't understand the fuss now over this as this has been flogged to death on here over the years.It's over and we are slowly sorting it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 22, 2015, 03:38:18 PM
What's the story with Benny. 1 minute its reported he is coming back to Down now he says he isn't. 
County board looking like idiots again.
Best of luck to Benny he owes Down football nothing. He gave his all for long enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 22, 2015, 03:49:33 PM
any word of a panel being named yet for the mckenna cup?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on December 22, 2015, 05:07:22 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on December 22, 2015, 03:38:18 PM
What's the story with Benny. 1 minute its reported he is coming back to Down now he says he isn't. 
County board looking like idiots again.
Best of luck to Benny he owes Down football nothing. He gave his all for long enough.

Tweeting in the early hours of the morning that he is sticking with Mayobridge next year :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on December 22, 2015, 06:17:08 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 22, 2015, 05:07:22 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on December 22, 2015, 03:38:18 PM
What's the story with Benny. 1 minute its reported he is coming back to Down now he says he isn't. 
County board looking like idiots again.
Best of luck to Benny he owes Down football nothing. He gave his all for long enough.

Tweeting in the early hours of the morning that he is sticking with Mayobridge next year :-\
Maybe having a few pints after closing time. :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on December 22, 2015, 06:25:06 PM
Does anyone know when the leagues are starting this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on December 22, 2015, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: interested on December 22, 2015, 06:17:08 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 22, 2015, 05:07:22 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on December 22, 2015, 03:38:18 PM
What's the story with Benny. 1 minute its reported he is coming back to Down now he says he isn't. 
County board looking like idiots again.
Best of luck to Benny he owes Down football nothing. He gave his all for long enough.

Tweeting in the early hours of the morning that he is sticking with Mayobridge next year :-\
Maybe having a few pints after closing time. :'(

Benny Coulter @Coulter12Benny
No Down football for me next year just my club Mayobridge.Roll on 2016
5:59 AM - 22 Dec 2015

Closer to opening than closing time.  Strange to be making an important post at 6am in the morning.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on December 22, 2015, 08:32:58 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 22, 2015, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: interested on December 22, 2015, 06:17:08 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 22, 2015, 05:07:22 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on December 22, 2015, 03:38:18 PM
What's the story with Benny. 1 minute its reported he is coming back to Down now he says he isn't. 
County board looking like idiots again.
Best of luck to Benny he owes Down football nothing. He gave his all for long enough.

Tweeting in the early hours of the morning that he is sticking with Mayobridge next year :-\
Maybe having a few pints after closing time. :'(

Benny Coulter @Coulter12Benny
No Down football for me next year just my club Mayobridge.Roll on 2016
5:59 AM - 22 Dec 2015

Closer to opening than closing time.  Strange to be making an important post at 6am in the morning.


Someone acting the wag, nothing to see here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 22, 2015, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on December 22, 2015, 08:32:58 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 22, 2015, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: interested on December 22, 2015, 06:17:08 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 22, 2015, 05:07:22 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on December 22, 2015, 03:38:18 PM
What's the story with Benny. 1 minute its reported he is coming back to Down now he says he isn't. 
County board looking like idiots again.
Best of luck to Benny he owes Down football nothing. He gave his all for long enough.

Tweeting in the early hours of the morning that he is sticking with Mayobridge next year :-\
Maybe having a few pints after closing time. :'(

Benny Coulter @Coulter12Benny
No Down football for me next year just my club Mayobridge.Roll on 2016
5:59 AM - 22 Dec 2015

Closer to opening than closing time.  Strange to be making an important post at 6am in the morning.


Someone acting the wag, nothing to see here
Nothing to see!there appears to be plenty to see when Benny made such a big deal of his retirement,a bigger deal of how he was really put out to retirement by McCorry,an equally as big a deal when he was to come out of retirement and now an obviously late night session leads to a tweet on his Twitter account saying and that he is still retired.Take the blue/white blinkers off and you may well be able to see the picture of what is going on here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on December 22, 2015, 09:13:55 PM
Quote from: SamFever on December 22, 2015, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on December 22, 2015, 08:32:58 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 22, 2015, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: interested on December 22, 2015, 06:17:08 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 22, 2015, 05:07:22 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on December 22, 2015, 03:38:18 PM
What's the story with Benny. 1 minute its reported he is coming back to Down now he says he isn't. 
County board looking like idiots again.
Best of luck to Benny he owes Down football nothing. He gave his all for long enough.

Tweeting in the early hours of the morning that he is sticking with Mayobridge next year :-\
Maybe having a few pints after closing time. :'(

Benny Coulter @Coulter12Benny
No Down football for me next year just my club Mayobridge.Roll on 2016
5:59 AM - 22 Dec 2015

Closer to opening than closing time.  Strange to be making an important post at 6am in the morning.


Someone acting the wag, nothing to see here
Nothing to see!there appears to be plenty to see when Benny made such a big deal of his retirement,a bigger deal of how he was really put out to retirement by McCorry,an equally as big a deal when he was to come out of retirement and now an obviously late night session leads to a tweet on his Twitter account saying and that he is still retired.Take the blue/white blinkers off and you may well be able to see the picture of what is going on here.

Zzzzzzzzzzz!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 22, 2015, 09:20:05 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on December 22, 2015, 09:13:55 PM
Quote from: SamFever on December 22, 2015, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on December 22, 2015, 08:32:58 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 22, 2015, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: interested on December 22, 2015, 06:17:08 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on December 22, 2015, 05:07:22 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on December 22, 2015, 03:38:18 PM
What's the story with Benny. 1 minute its reported he is coming back to Down now he says he isn't. 
County board looking like idiots again.
Best of luck to Benny he owes Down football nothing. He gave his all for long enough.

Tweeting in the early hours of the morning that he is sticking with Mayobridge next year :-\
Maybe having a few pints after closing time. :'(

Benny Coulter @Coulter12Benny
No Down football for me next year just my club Mayobridge.Roll on 2016
5:59 AM - 22 Dec 2015

Closer to opening than closing time.  Strange to be making an important post at 6am in the morning.


Someone acting the wag, nothing to see here
Nothing to see!there appears to be plenty to see when Benny made such a big deal of his retirement,a bigger deal of how he was really put out to retirement by McCorry,an equally as big a deal when he was to come out of retirement and now an obviously late night session leads to a tweet on his Twitter account saying and that he is still retired.Take the blue/white blinkers off and you may well be able to see the picture of what is going on here.

Zzzzzzzzzzz!
If Benny had maybe of been Zzzzz-ing at that time of the night or morning this wouldn't be under discussion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 22, 2015, 11:54:25 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 24, 2015, 08:27:15 PM
Benny has Jarlath Burns as our new County Manager in the Democrat this week.😀
I wonder was this written around the same time of day as Benny's Twitter post? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 23, 2015, 12:40:51 AM
 All a prank according to Benny in today's Irish News.All systems go for Benny in 2016.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on December 23, 2015, 08:37:02 AM
Prediction time , Benny may come back to the county, he will be used as an impact sub , he will fail miserably and people will remember him for that and not for the wonderful performances he gave us , take a bit of advice from an old player , enjoy your club football and retire from the county scene with dignity and pride, certainly get involved with the coaching and monitoring of young talent , you deserve all the accolades but don't give the begrudgers cause to run you down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on December 23, 2015, 11:48:52 AM
It depends on what is meant by an impact sub. If he was still good enough to play as he did before then he would be in the starting 15. So he will not come on an do exactly for twenty minutes what he used to do for 70. If he could do it for twenty then it is only fitness stopping him for doing it for longer.

However if Benny could be encouraged to sacrifice his game for the team then the impact could be considerable. Playing him as a simple target man or more realistically a decoy could reap huge rewards. This is not him doing the same thing as before over a shorter time frame. It is him doing something very different and playing a totally different game. He has always been teh man to score rather than the man who creates space for others to score.

In 2010 John Clarke was an excellent decoy runner moving defences selflessly to allow others to storm through the gaps he created. We all talked of Marty's defence splitting passes to Benny and Paul McComiskey, but we didn't talk enough about the fact that John had often caused that split to be exploited.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaffer on December 30, 2015, 09:47:19 AM
Q. Did Kenny Archer ever play GAA for a club?

A. No

Says it all!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 30, 2015, 01:00:40 PM
Only few days left until start of the season for Down, albeit the Mc Kenna, with little or no buzz about the year ahead. Still no word on Mc Kenna Cup panel or even training panel, to atleast give fans something to get to interested about, and with Div 1 and defending Ulster champions to face later on in year... very flat indeed!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on December 30, 2015, 02:44:26 PM
Yes it's been very quite regarding the McKenna cup squad, has anyone heard anything?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on December 30, 2015, 06:21:56 PM
Quote from: wobbller on December 30, 2015, 09:14:01 AM
Happy new Year to all.Kenny Archer making a sly dig at Down in today's Irish News.

Didn't see the paper. What did he say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 31, 2015, 12:24:25 PM
See the Gaelic Life have the Down squad. named in it! Good few players missing due to university commitments... anybody know much about Conor Doyle, Sean Dornan Michael Hughes? No sign of Darryl or Aaron Brannigan which is disappointing, good to see Ryan Mallon back involved tho. Is Ciaran Mc Cartan playing for Queens?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 31, 2015, 04:12:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on December 31, 2015, 12:24:25 PM
See the Gaelic Life have the Down squad. named in it! Good few players missing due to university commitments... anybody know much about Conor Doyle, Sean Dornan Michael Hughes? No sign of Darryl or Aaron Brannigan which is disappointing, good to see Ryan Mallon back involved tho. Is Ciaran Mc Cartan playing for Queens?
Can anyone post the squad up please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 01, 2016, 10:44:15 AM
S Kane, A Carr, Conall Mc Govern, D O Hanlon, D Turley, Gareth Johnston, Joe Mc Dermot,  M Poland, Michael Hughes, R Boyle, R Mallon, Sean Dornan, Cathal Doyle, P Turley, Packie Downey, Joe Murphy, Connaire Harrison, Malachy Magee, D O Hare, Kieran Gordon, Arthur Mc Conville, Barry O Hagan...

They are reporting that it's unlikely that Laverty will be back playing for Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 01, 2016, 05:58:18 PM
Is that the full squad? Is Cathal Doyle supposed to be Conor Doyle?

Laverty won't be about AFAIK.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on January 01, 2016, 06:26:58 PM
Why's that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 01, 2016, 09:30:37 PM
That's the squad that's named in the Gaelic Life, that's all I know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on January 02, 2016, 08:44:09 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 01, 2016, 05:58:18 PM
Is that the full squad? Is Cathal Doyle supposed to be Conor Doyle?

Laverty won't be about AFAIK.

It's Cathal Doyle from Ballymartin. Conor Doyle not on panel. This squad only reflects the fit players at present, while there are a number of other panelists with the university's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on January 02, 2016, 11:22:39 PM
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on January 02, 2016, 08:44:09 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 01, 2016, 05:58:18 PM
Is that the full squad? Is Cathal Doyle supposed to be Conor Doyle?

Laverty won't be about AFAIK.

It's Cathal Doyle from Ballymartin. Conor Doyle not on panel. This squad only reflects the fit players at present, while there are a number of other panelists with the university's.
Believe Conor Doyle is on the U21 panel chance for him to learn his trade at county level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on January 03, 2016, 01:32:51 PM
Is there radio coverage of the match anywhere?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 03, 2016, 02:08:18 PM
http://www.highlandradio.com/on-air/listen-live/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on January 04, 2016, 01:05:00 PM
Any word on minor or under 21 panels? I see Queen's had a healthy contingent of down men playing for them yesterday!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on January 04, 2016, 08:11:48 PM
Hi Mourne man who was playing for queens? I see clarke was.

Anyone know if down men were planning for uuj?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on January 04, 2016, 08:25:34 PM
Gerard McGovern from Burren was full back Anthony Doherty from downpatrick was midfield Michael Monan from Darragh cross and big Donal Mckeever from Carryduff where in the full forward line! You McGrady from downpatrick was on the bench.

For the Poly Danny Savage played centre half forward and Taz was on the bench!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on January 04, 2016, 09:30:40 PM
Thanks Mourne man, that is a good few, is madine also playing for UUJ?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on January 04, 2016, 09:37:16 PM
Marine and Chris Clarke both played
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffleKing on January 05, 2016, 12:08:07 AM
Quote from: Highlander3 on January 04, 2016, 09:30:40 PM
Thanks Mourne man, that is a good few, is madine also playing for UUJ?

Niall Madine? He's at Newry tech?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 05, 2016, 12:42:34 PM
Madine and Shay Mc Ardle also started for UUJ. Quite a few players from Down playing with the university this year, which is only a good thing!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on January 07, 2016, 11:47:05 AM
I might have missed this but is there a date out there yet for the start of the Down leagues this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on January 07, 2016, 08:22:57 PM
Leagues begin Friday 8th April with the next match 11/4 then then 15th and 18th April so 4 matches over the 1st 2 weeks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on January 08, 2016, 08:42:40 AM
Leagues begin Friday 8th April with the next match 11/4 then then 15th and 18th April so 4 matches over the 1st 2 weeks

this has been the same start to the leagues for the past 10 years are so if I remember correctly. 4 games in 10days surely this is a bit much to ask. from a playing perspective 1 game every 7 days is more than enough.

standard week should be

Fri match
Sat Rest
Sun Light session
Monday Training
Tuesday Rest
Wednesday Traning
Thursday Rest
Friday Match

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 08, 2016, 12:13:39 PM
Quote from: Gaa for life on January 08, 2016, 08:42:40 AM
Leagues begin Friday 8th April with the next match 11/4 then then 15th and 18th April so 4 matches over the 1st 2 weeks

this has been the same start to the leagues for the past 10 years are so if I remember correctly. 4 games in 10days surely this is a bit much to ask. from a playing perspective 1 game every 7 days is more than enough.

standard week should be

Fri match
Sat Rest
Sun Light session
Monday Training
Tuesday Rest
Wednesday Traning
Thursday Rest
Friday Match



And in your ideal world we'd never have championship, replays, or postponements, let alone the uncertainties of a county team's progress through the qualifiers.

Starting leagues in March would, 9 times out of 10, result in postponements due to unfit pitches, which would cause havoc with refixtures later in the year.

There aren't enough weekends between April and September to run a league off one game per week.

So doubling up on a few weeks is an unfortunate necessity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on January 08, 2016, 02:16:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 08, 2016, 12:13:39 PM
Quote from: Gaa for life on January 08, 2016, 08:42:40 AM
Leagues begin Friday 8th April with the next match 11/4 then then 15th and 18th April so 4 matches over the 1st 2 weeks

this has been the same start to the leagues for the past 10 years are so if I remember correctly. 4 games in 10days surely this is a bit much to ask. from a playing perspective 1 game every 7 days is more than enough.

standard week should be

Fri match
Sat Rest
Sun Light session
Monday Training
Tuesday Rest
Wednesday Traning
Thursday Rest
Friday Match



And in your ideal world we'd never have championship, replays, or postponements, let alone the uncertainties of a county team's progress through the qualifiers.

Starting leagues in March would, 9 times out of 10, result in postponements due to unfit pitches, which would cause havoc with refixtures later in the year.

There aren't enough weekends between April and September to run a league off one game per week.

So doubling up on a few weeks is an unfortunate necessity.

The fixture makers don't have an easy task, and under the current format , they have no alternative but to take the opportunity to squeeze games in,  but in the case of div 3 , for example, that's nearly a quarter of the league season completed in 10 days. Your point re pitches is well made, particularly given the implication of ruined pitches at the start of the season.
I feel however that the GAA centrally should bite the bullet, and legislate to allow weekly games for club players. Allowing county players to slot in for blocks of games, or in the case of fringe players in weeks when not named in squad of 22. The current system of squeezing in as many games as possible when county players are released back to their clubs serves nobody well. Remember that minor games will also proceed during this time , leaving minor/senior players potentially  playing 7 games in two weeks( presuming their clubs aren't going to having them play reserve games as well). I understand that in rugby which is a similarly intense contact sport, there is rarely more than one game per week.
It is unrealistic to expect managers at various levels to sacrifice their success, by resting players,  so these important player welfare issues are only likely to be solved through legislation. The ban of u16s playing minor from a few years ago , is an example how legislation , effects change for all, as we are all forced to adapt . I had reservations about the implications of this rule for smaller clubs , but there is no doubt it has been positive in protecting young players .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 08, 2016, 02:26:13 PM
I would be in favour of starting the league fixtures at the beginning of March, that way if there are postponments, for any reason you have all summer to rearrange them. It was only a couple of years ago half the county was flooded in june, if you start the leagues later, there is much less flexibility in oct and nov if things drag on like they have done occassionaly in the past.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 08, 2016, 08:59:05 PM
I think you're kind of missing the point though Ardtole.

There will be freak weather during most summers, but starting the leagues in March won't change that; it'll only ensure that there's a host more extra refixtures guaranteed every season. The main problem with March is that there's usually higher water tables, so a day of heavy rain can lie for days. So pitches can't be prepared, let alone played on. Not all pitches suffer, but as the only suitable day for fixtures is a Sunday, and every Sunday has fixtures, it only takes a handful of pitches to be unplayable every week for havoc to be caused with scheduling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 08, 2016, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on January 08, 2016, 02:16:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 08, 2016, 12:13:39 PM
Quote from: Gaa for life on January 08, 2016, 08:42:40 AM
Leagues begin Friday 8th April with the next match 11/4 then then 15th and 18th April so 4 matches over the 1st 2 weeks

this has been the same start to the leagues for the past 10 years are so if I remember correctly. 4 games in 10days surely this is a bit much to ask. from a playing perspective 1 game every 7 days is more than enough.

standard week should be

Fri match
Sat Rest
Sun Light session
Monday Training
Tuesday Rest
Wednesday Traning
Thursday Rest
Friday Match



And in your ideal world we'd never have championship, replays, or postponements, let alone the uncertainties of a county team's progress through the qualifiers.

Starting leagues in March would, 9 times out of 10, result in postponements due to unfit pitches, which would cause havoc with refixtures later in the year.

There aren't enough weekends between April and September to run a league off one game per week.

So doubling up on a few weeks is an unfortunate necessity.

The fixture makers don't have an easy task, and under the current format , they have no alternative but to take the opportunity to squeeze games in,  but in the case of div 3 , for example, that's nearly a quarter of the league season completed in 10 days. Your point re pitches is well made, particularly given the implication of ruined pitches at the start of the season.
I feel however that the GAA centrally should bite the bullet, and legislate to allow weekly games for club players. Allowing county players to slot in for blocks of games, or in the case of fringe players in weeks when not named in squad of 22. The current system of squeezing in as many games as possible when county players are released back to their clubs serves nobody well. Remember that minor games will also proceed during this time , leaving minor/senior players potentially  playing 7 games in two weeks( presuming their clubs aren't going to having them play reserve games as well). I understand that in rugby which is a similarly intense contact sport, there is rarely more than one game per week.
It is unrealistic to expect managers at various levels to sacrifice their success, by resting players,  so these important player welfare issues are only likely to be solved through legislation. The ban of u16s playing minor from a few years ago , is an example how legislation , effects change for all, as we are all forced to adapt . I had reservations about the implications of this rule for smaller clubs , but there is no doubt it has been positive in protecting young players .

To use your example, it might not be an easy task to make out fixtures but how can it possibly be fair to have a quarter of the season's fixtures in the space of 2 weeks at the start of the season?  Tough yes but madness to come up with this.  Is this something similar for Div1 I wonder but with more teams it probably isn't as significant but still odd to have such a glut of games at the start of the year.

Your point about banning U.16's from playing Minors, surely you banning U.14's from playing Minors?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on January 08, 2016, 10:54:17 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on January 08, 2016, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on January 08, 2016, 02:16:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 08, 2016, 12:13:39 PM
Quote from: Gaa for life on January 08, 2016, 08:42:40 AM
Leagues begin Friday 8th April with the next match 11/4 then then 15th and 18th April so 4 matches over the 1st 2 weeks

this has been the same start to the leagues for the past 10 years are so if I remember correctly. 4 games in 10days surely this is a bit much to ask. from a playing perspective 1 game every 7 days is more than enough.

standard week should be

Fri match
Sat Rest
Sun Light session
Monday Training
Tuesday Rest
Wednesday Traning
Thursday Rest
Friday Match



And in your ideal world we'd never have championship, replays, or postponements, let alone the uncertainties of a county team's progress through the qualifiers.

Starting leagues in March would, 9 times out of 10, result in postponements due to unfit pitches, which would cause havoc with refixtures later in the year.

There aren't enough weekends between April and September to run a league off one game per week.

So doubling up on a few weeks is an unfortunate necessity.

The fixture makers don't have an easy task, and under the current format , they have no alternative but to take the opportunity to squeeze games in,  but in the case of div 3 , for example, that's nearly a quarter of the league season completed in 10 days. Your point re pitches is well made, particularly given the implication of ruined pitches at the start of the season.
I feel however that the GAA centrally should bite the bullet, and legislate to allow weekly games for club players. Allowing county players to slot in for blocks of games, or in the case of fringe players in weeks when not named in squad of 22. The current system of squeezing in as many games as possible when county players are released back to their clubs serves nobody well. Remember that minor games will also proceed during this time , leaving minor/senior players potentially  playing 7 games in two weeks( presuming their clubs aren't going to having them play reserve games as well). I understand that in rugby which is a similarly intense contact sport, there is rarely more than one game per week.
It is unrealistic to expect managers at various levels to sacrifice their success, by resting players,  so these important player welfare issues are only likely to be solved through legislation. The ban of u16s playing minor from a few years ago , is an example how legislation , effects change for all, as we are all forced to adapt . I had reservations about the implications of this rule for smaller clubs , but there is no doubt it has been positive in protecting young players .

To use your example, it might not be an easy task to make out fixtures but how can it possibly be fair to have a quarter of the season's fixtures in the space of 2 weeks at the start of the season?  Tough yes but madness to come up with this.  Is this something similar for Div1 I wonder but with more teams it probably isn't as significant but still odd to have such a glut of games at the start of the year.

Your point about banning U.16's from playing Minors, surely you banning U.14's from playing Minors?

Apologies, I meant the ban on u16s playing senior
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on January 10, 2016, 05:40:19 PM
Another defeat today by Fermanagh in the McKenna Cup. IMO best for Down were Maginn, Kane and O'Hanlon (although he was off with his free kicks - scored 2 out of 4 or 5 and opted not to shoot when in a good position). Quigley was a class apart.
He gave McGovern a torrid time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 10, 2016, 05:42:09 PM
No one will lose much sleep over the McKenna Cup but today was a very flat performance with Fermanagh never extended at any stage. While they has a stronger side out than we did, none of our new faces made much of an impact and even the experienced players were ordinary. The only surprise was that it was well into the second half before we used our bench, although the subs also made little difference.

There are quite a few students to return, as well as hopefully a Loughinisland contingent, and the evidence is that they will be urgently needed if we are to cope with a very demanding D1 campaign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 10, 2016, 06:10:35 PM
Very very poor showing from today's match
Here is my thoughts for what it's worth

Kane 7-Assured under high ball,never looked troubled in front of goals but his kickouts are a major problem as they are only reaching 50 yards and putting us under a lot of pressure

Magee 7-Done well worked ball out from the back at pace and is in with a shout of starting against Donegal

McGovern-5 tried hard but got destroyed by Quigley.Got no help from our so called sweepers whatsoever

Turley-5 Poor all round and adds nothing to the Down squad

O Hanlon.-4 kick some easy frees first half but I counted 11 balls given away by him in the 40 minutes he was on the pitch.Just kicks it as hard as he can without thinking of where he is kicking it

Boyle-7 worked very hard 2 great blocks and added pace from defence to attack.Good game

Murphy-6Could not get into the game much but worked well a few times he was on the ball.Poor shot at end when the shot was never on.Will make the panel for sure

Doyle.5 no influence on the game at all.Touched the ball once in 53 minutes nit good enough for a midfielder

McKay-6Done ok.Got his hands on a few balls and battled a hard fight on his own around the middle.Good asset

O Hagen -5 poor showing from our sweeper.Sprinted back a few times and stood in no mans land instead of cutting out the supply to Quigley.His man number 5 caused serious problems throughout the game.Not county standard

Maginn-8 our best player today.Tried to make things happen but there was nobody else on the same page as him today.players inside did not make the runs he wanted.

McDermott.5 wasted to much energy running up and down the line the first half without adding cover or being and outlet for the defence.Need smart players playing at 10-12

Johnstone.-5 Csme out the field leaving 2 men inside but could not get into the game.Should have made himself available for kickouts.Game passed him by.

Dornan-5.no movement inside whatsoever.Lack of real bite going for the ball lets him down.Has talent but needs to work harder

Mooney-5 very disappointing from Caolan.poor shot selection,getting blocked down 4 times and general lack of effort let him down.Will struggle to start against Donegal

Harrison and McConville done well as subs will both start Wednesday night

All in all a very poor showing from Down today
No energy,no gameplan,no leaders,

Mourne Rover you say hopefully a Loughinisland contingent to return?Who would you be referring to?Because Dan Gordan is the only player on that team county material.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 10, 2016, 06:21:35 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 10, 2016, 05:42:09 PM
No one will lose much sleep over the McKenna Cup but today was a very flat performance with Fermanagh never extended at any stage. While they has a stronger side out than we did, none of our new faces made much of an impact and even the experienced players were ordinary. The only surprise was that it was well into the second half before we used our bench, although the subs also made little difference.

There are quite a few students to return, as well as hopefully a Loughinisland contingent, and the evidence is that they will be urgently needed if we are to cope with a very demanding D1 campaign.

Take out the Johnson's and Martin Clarke, who are these other students who have Senior County experience who will make a difference? The same question about the Loughinisland contingent but take Dan out of this as he will not be back?  After watching that crap today, this is going to be one long year.  If this is the best we have to offer, with little else to come in then I really do despair. 

The County still have yet to announce the backroom team for Eamonn Burns.  The lack of quality and experience must be the reason why there has been no big 'fan fare' about it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 10, 2016, 06:26:15 PM
McKernan also with the Ranch

Agree with line all that today was shambolic at best
Who is our number 2?
Who is our trainer?

It's going to be a long long season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 10, 2016, 07:12:08 PM
2 Johnstons, mckernan, Clarke, Gerard McGovern and Shea McArdle are all playing college football and would offer more than what was there today.
Not sure where the likes of O Hagen, Garvey, Poland and O hare are at the minute, surely it would be better to get them imvolved ASAP. Are Kane and O Hanlon the only two Kilcoo men involved other than the Jonstons?

That aside it is a bit of a shambles and would it be that big of a surprise to see Down go the whole year without a win??

PS I must have missed it when Conal McGovern became a full back !!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 10, 2016, 07:19:47 PM
have to agree with whitegoodman, it wouldnt be a major surprise if we went all year without winning. at the minute its hard to see who we are going to beat this year. very poor performance today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on January 10, 2016, 07:30:27 PM
If mooney gets his shooting sorted out he could be a serious threat. Thought Ohanlon started well but aimless balls into the forward line and giving the ball away on several occasions  turned it into a pretty poor performance from him overall. Conor maginn was decent, hard to think of anyone else who stood out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 10, 2016, 08:15:58 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 10, 2016, 07:30:27 PM
If mooney gets his shooting sorted out he could be a serious threat. Thought Ohanlon started well but aimless balls into the forward line and giving the ball away on several occasions  turned it into a pretty poor performance from him overall. Conor maginn was decent, hard to think of anyone else who stood out.

So 3 players stood out. One couldn't shoot, one couldn't pass and the other was 'decent'.

Maginn yes , the other two were awful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 10, 2016, 08:18:08 PM
Lost for words.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on January 10, 2016, 08:29:30 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 10, 2016, 08:18:08 PM
Lost for words.

It's not like you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 10, 2016, 08:37:55 PM
Smurfy, the Loughinisland prospects are Dan Gordon, our best midfielder by a distance, Kieran Gordon, who is already in the Down squad and has a better kick-out than Stevie Kane, Rory Mason, who impressed at u21 level and can take a score from frees and open play, and Aaron McClements, the kind of ball-winner who is urgently needed both down the middle and up front on today's performance. There are no guarantees that the latter two will make it at county level but quite a few of the rival candidates came close to ruling themselves out today.

Division one is going to be tough but we will have a much stronger squad out against Donegal in the first match, they are rebuilding and the Saturday night lights tend to suit us in Newry. We will be in a better position to judge ourselves after that game, although the Loughinisland players are unlikely to be involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 10, 2016, 09:04:51 PM
Gordan does not have a better kickout than Kane.Mason had a poor game against Derry in this years under 21 championship
Who out of today's team will start against Donegal in the first league game?

Team v Donegal

Kane
O hagan
Gerard McGovern
Magee
McKernan
CONNAL McGovern
Boyle
Turley
McKay
Maginn
Poland
Johnstone
Clarke
O hare
Mooney

Have I missed anyone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 10, 2016, 09:08:57 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 10, 2016, 07:19:47 PM
have to agree with whitegoodman, it wouldnt be a major surprise if we went all year without winning. at the minute its hard to see who we are going to beat this year. very poor performance today.
ip.

I cant believe youse boys are predicting that we wont win a game all year on the back of one McKenna Cup game. Catch a fcukin grip. >:( Give them a fcukin chance...Páidí Ó Sé called Kerry supporters the worst fcukin animals...we are as bad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 10, 2016, 09:16:31 PM
I have to agree with 5sams, complete over reaction, I think everyone realises div one will be a struggle but a lot of lads to return yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 10, 2016, 09:29:12 PM
Smurfy, Kane is a fine shot stopper with excellent handling, and may be just about our best keeper, but his kick-outs are a problem. While he has frequently played behind a struggling Down midfield, Gordon pretty clearly offers a longer and more accurate clearance.

The defence you propose may well be close to our Donegal line-up but McKay, although he may yet improve, did not look like a county midfielder today.

We all want to see Marty Clarke back but his recovery is a long term project.  Mallon, McConville and Carr are much more likely starters in the early stages of the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 10, 2016, 10:10:57 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 10, 2016, 09:04:51 PM
Gordan does not have a better kickout than Kane.Mason had a poor game against Derry in this years under 21 championship
Who out of today's team will start against Donegal in the first league game?

Team v Donegal

Kane
O hagan
Gerard McGovern
Magee
McKernan
CONNAL McGovern
Boyle
Turley
McKay
Maginn
Poland
Johnstone
Clarke
O hare
Mooney

Have I missed anyone
Smurfy,  you're usually straight up with your assessments but young Mason was Down's best player that night in Celtic Park.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 10, 2016, 10:26:38 PM
Ross fair enough point
I'm probably a bit harsh on young Mason
Deserves  a few games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 10, 2016, 10:50:15 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 10, 2016, 09:04:51 PM
Gordan does not have a better kickout than Kane.Mason had a poor game against Derry in this years under 21 championship
Who out of today's team will start against Donegal in the first league game?

Team v Donegal

Kane
O hagan
Gerard McGovern
Magee
McKernan
CONNAL McGovern
Boyle
Turley
McKay
Maginn
Poland
Johnstone
Clarke
O hare
Mooney

Have I missed anyone

Magee at corner back isn't a good choice, not bad on the front foot, but the best attribute of a CB. should be tackling, and his most definitely isnt! If he plays there, any team with a half decent free taker will punish Down big time!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on January 10, 2016, 11:26:47 PM
Right let's get this sorted, sack the management , get rid of all the new faces and start again , given that our previous manager was given 8 months I'd say Eamonn has over stayed his welcome , now that's the sort if posts I'm reading on this forum or that's what all the negative comments are leading to, Eamonn Burns and his staff know that their task in making us a more successful side is going to take time and lads time is key, and patience from genuine Down supporters is of equal importance , let's give him a chance , I know that sometimes watching county games is painful and it seems players don't give a damn but the opposite is true, players don't take the field to deliberately play bad , so unless you have a constructive point to make or a good point to make about a game or incident it's better to say nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 10, 2016, 11:36:27 PM
I certainly did not call for the sacking of burns

I give an honest assessment of how I felt the guys played today and that was my own opinion which might not be the opinion of the man sitting beside me at the game

It's a discussion board after all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on January 11, 2016, 08:39:21 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 08, 2016, 12:13:39 PM
Quote from: Gaa for life on January 08, 2016, 08:42:40 AM
Leagues begin Friday 8th April with the next match 11/4 then then 15th and 18th April so 4 matches over the 1st 2 weeks

this has been the same start to the leagues for the past 10 years are so if I remember correctly. 4 games in 10days surely this is a bit much to ask. from a playing perspective 1 game every 7 days is more than enough.

standard week should be

Fri match
Sat Rest
Sun Light session
Monday Training
Tuesday Rest
Wednesday Traning
Thursday Rest
Friday Match



And in your ideal world we'd never have championship, replays, or postponements, let alone the uncertainties of a county team's progress through the qualifiers.

Starting leagues in March would, 9 times out of 10, result in postponements due to unfit pitches, which would cause havoc with refixtures later in the year.

There aren't enough weekends between April and September to run a league off one game per week.

So doubling up on a few weeks is an unfortunate necessity.

I understand that there will be a need to double up every once in a while but to double up twice in the first 10days of the season is a bit much to be asking from the players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 11, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Glorified challenge games with a host of players missing, new management in place and new players on the field results in a defeat for Down and doom and gloom setting in.
Get real folks and give the lads a chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 11, 2016, 11:18:07 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on January 10, 2016, 11:26:47 PM
Right let's get this sorted, sack the management , get rid of all the new faces and start again , given that our previous manager was given 8 months I'd say Eamonn has over stayed his welcome , now that's the sort if posts I'm reading on this forum or that's what all the negative comments are leading to, Eamonn Burns and his staff know that their task in making us a more successful side is going to take time and lads time is key, and patience from genuine Down supporters is of equal importance , let's give him a chance , I know that sometimes watching county games is painful and it seems players don't give a damn but the opposite is true, players don't take the field to deliberately play bad , so unless you have a constructive point to make or a good point to make about a game or incident it's better to say nothing.

Seriously?
The top right-hand corner of your spacebar, next door to '/?'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 11, 2016, 12:45:33 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on January 11, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Glorified challenge games with a host of players missing, new management in place and new players on the field results in a defeat for Down and doom and gloom setting in.
Get real folks and give the lads a chance.

Yep a number of recent comments are OTT.

I'm guessing though that there's a genuine fear rising among our supporters.

We shouldn't expect to be privy to the direction that a county set up is taking. It's Burns's choice if he wants to keep low key. Plus new players need to be bedded in and new ideas need to be tried out; that's what the McKenna Cup is for.

But a couple of weeks from a Division 1 campaign, it would appear that Down are in full-on experimentation mode. I'm not even slightly close to a nervous soul, but this worries me. I know some of the experimentation is born from necessity, but it's the lack of communications about it all that turns theories into rumours into accepted facts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 11, 2016, 03:18:54 PM
McKenna Cup is very useful for exposing players to county standard football. At the moment this is what Eamon Burns is doing as there are quite a number of new faces. However, in the next three weeks we are going to need to get next to near our championship team out on the field if we are to have any hope of staying in division one.
Of yesterday's starting team I can only see 5/6 that would be on out strongest starting XV.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 12, 2016, 12:56:16 PM
a common feature on sunday was the ball carried out of defence and the player did not deliver into the forwards early enough who were showing for it. The player in possession was then crowded out and dispossessed.

yes its difficult to deliver quality ball to forwards in a packed defence and that has to be worked on.

Down seemed to be doing it in the opening period of the first half to Mooney in particular but some not taken clean (or taken but ball turned over) and attacks broke down

the cold hard fact in Down football is while we do have skilful players they are unable to play to a game plan (or restricted from doing so - whatever is the reason).

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results. Players need to be brave and better anticipation is needed.

i agree that a right few players are being given a chance and so have never viewed mckenna cup games as indicators for the season ahead other than you can see what players being given a chance do not have the skillset for inter county football (the main skill being in the grey matter department)

Up Down !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 12, 2016, 06:25:36 PM
A more balanced debate on our first two games is beginning to emerge but I haven't seen a lot of fresh talent to date. It will be a tough league campaign, we have a tough championship draw and it will be a tough year. I think Eamonn Burns deserves to get everyone in Down behind him- players and supporters- as we are all in this together. The only things we shouldn't tolerate are lack of honesty and effort.
A couple of things about Sunday. As expected, wee Pete had his team well organised and the Quigley-Corrigan partnership would be hard to handle by most defences. I was interested in the excellent article on Pete in the Irish Times on Saturday and there is no doubt he has made a fantastic contribution to Down football. One comment did grate with me however, and I've heard it from other players and managers; '"I owe Down nothing". Some might say that he owes Down everything- I don't agree but in the GAA it's all about what you put in, IMO.
Second point is my anorak mode about the PA. To be fair, it was much better than the County final, my last visit to Pairc Esler.
However, as there were no programmes by the time we got there, it is of absolutely no value to be told that number 23 replaces number 10; we know that!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 13, 2016, 10:39:15 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on January 12, 2016, 06:25:36 PM
A more balanced debate on our first two games is beginning to emerge but I haven't seen a lot of fresh talent to date. It will be a tough league campaign, we have a tough championship draw and it will be a tough year. I think Eamonn Burns deserves to get everyone in Down behind him- players and supporters- as we are all in this together. The only things we shouldn't tolerate are lack of honesty and effort.
A couple of things about Sunday. As expected, wee Pete had his team well organised and the Quigley-Corrigan partnership would be hard to handle by most defences. I was interested in the excellent article on Pete in the Irish Times on Saturday and there is no doubt he has made a fantastic contribution to Down football. One comment did grate with me however, and I've heard it from other players and managers; '"I owe Down nothing". Some might say that he owes Down everything- I don't agree but in the GAA it's all about what you put in, IMO.
Second point is my anorak mode about the PA. To be fair, it was much better than the County final, my last visit to Pairc Esler.
However, as there were no programmes by the time we got there, it is of absolutely no value to be told that number 23 replaces number 10; we know that!

chances are he didnt know either. only 5 Down subs were listed but there were more surely, for eg there was no sub goalie listed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 13, 2016, 10:52:51 AM
Re Pete, its only natural if someone feels even slightly hard done by that they would harbour some sort of grudge. I would say Pete harbours a small grudge due to being overlooked a few years ago and being effectively sacked from the minor job.  At the time I would say the majority of the county thought it was the right thing to do as, lets face it, we all thought Pete's days were over.  His record with Fermanagh has surprised many, including me.
He appears to have reinvented himself and seems much more open to new ideas and playing style as he was previously.  I wish him well and would reckon we have not seen the last of him in regards to Down Football.

Gerard Colgan is number 2 for Eamon Burns isnt he?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 14, 2016, 09:23:05 AM
Anybody at the game last night?

A win is a win but it was a big scoring night for the students.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 14, 2016, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on January 14, 2016, 09:23:05 AM
Anybody at the game last night?

A win is a win but it was a big scoring night for the students.

It was a big scoring night for Down too!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 14, 2016, 11:53:02 AM
That much I knew. Anybody have any other insight? E.g. was the ball blew up or stuffed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 14, 2016, 02:01:23 PM
Just pointing out the positive as opposed to the negative which was your first thought!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 14, 2016, 02:32:20 PM
I was at it.

Stevie Kane made 3 brilliant saves in one on one situations. His kick outs need some work though, they aren't overly long and I haven't noticed us having a kickout strategy in the last 10 years so developing one is essential.

Defence was porous enough but The Ranch had a few speed merchants up front who were difficult to defend against.

Going forward we looked really good. Some nice short interchanges combined with long diagonal ball into the full forward line really worked really well.

Just like last Sunday though I wouldn't read too much into it.

One major area of concern for me is the form of Caolan Mooney. This is not a personal attack but the lad looks like he has forgotten how to play Gaelic Football, Sunday past and last night he made a right few simple errors and it looks like his confidence is shot to pieces. I hope Eamonn Burns can help to get his form sorted because we could be doing with him playing well!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 14, 2016, 02:39:31 PM
thanks for the report No1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on January 15, 2016, 01:36:13 PM
what do you make of McKay from Burren in middle of the park? Big Man with some great skill, excellent fielder of the ball
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 15, 2016, 10:47:43 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on January 15, 2016, 01:36:13 PM
what do you make of McKay from Burren in middle of the park? Big Man with some great skill, excellent fielder of the ball

Didn't see him against St Mary's but against Fermanagh I thought he was good. Didn't stand out particularly but didn't do much wrong and was a decent outlet in midfield. Hopefully some county experience will bring him on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaffer on January 17, 2016, 07:20:48 AM
Quote from: clowry13 on January 15, 2016, 01:36:13 PM
what do you make of McKay from Burren in middle of the park? Big Man with some great skill, excellent fielder of the ball

Agree but thought O'sullivan had a great game for Down and deserved MOM for his incisive balls into the half forward line. McGovern showed up well too but I think that Benny when he comes back should inject a bit of thrust into the half back line.  A big  role for him but if he can produce the form he showed in 2010 I don't think Down will be too far away come September!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on January 17, 2016, 12:08:19 PM
Am I the only one who thinks it would be better to move on without the likes of Benny? Anyone who watched The Bridge in Div 1 last Season will realise he wouldn't even have been in their top 3 players. Done very little in any of the games I seen & when it came down to it in The Championship looked to struggle.

A fantastic servant to Down GAA but his best days look behind him unless Burns has an impact role lined up for him. Certainly doesn't hold the fear for defenders he once did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on January 17, 2016, 12:24:52 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 17, 2016, 07:20:48 AM
Quote from: clowry13 on January 15, 2016, 01:36:13 PM
what do you make of McKay from Burren in middle of the park? Big Man with some great skill, excellent fielder of the ball

Agree but thought O'sullivan had a great game for Down and deserved MOM for his incisive balls into the half forward line. McGovern showed up well too but I think that Benny when he comes back should inject a bit of thrust into the half back line.  A big  role for him but if he can produce the form he showed in 2010 I don't think Down will be too far away come September!


Who is O'Sullivan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on January 17, 2016, 01:06:22 PM
In fairness to Burns he gave all the new lads plenty of game time during the Mc kenna cup. Some of them took  their  chance more than others but you more than likely will find we will still be relying on the old hands to come back in to steady the ship. I think a massive problem is the keeper. He is a super shot stopper but his kick ours are a real problem. He takes far too long to kick out and it's just straight down the middle to a midfield section who didn't make one clean catch in the two games I was at in Newry. In fairness to Burns you can see he is trying to kick the ball in early although they seem to just want to kick it all the time even if there is a sweeper. It will take time but it looks like it's going to be a long year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaffer on January 17, 2016, 03:27:30 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on January 17, 2016, 12:24:52 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 17, 2016, 07:20:48 AM
Quote from: clowry13 on January 15, 2016, 01:36:13 PM
what do you make of McKay from Burren in middle of the park? Big Man with some great skill, excellent fielder of the ball

Agree but thought O'sullivan had a great game for Down and deserved MOM for his incisive balls into the half forward line. McGovern showed up well too but I think that Benny when he comes back should inject a bit of thrust into the half back line.  A big  role for him but if he can produce the form he showed in 2010 I don't think Down will be too far away come September!


Who is O'Sullivan?

  James, Burren I think !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 17, 2016, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 17, 2016, 03:27:30 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on January 17, 2016, 12:24:52 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 17, 2016, 07:20:48 AM
Quote from: clowry13 on January 15, 2016, 01:36:13 PM
what do you make of McKay from Burren in middle of the park? Big Man with some great skill, excellent fielder of the ball

Agree but thought O'sullivan had a great game for Down and deserved MOM for his incisive balls into the half forward line. McGovern showed up well too but I think that Benny when he comes back should inject a bit of thrust into the half back line.  A big  role for him but if he can produce the form he showed in 2010 I don't think Down will be too far away come September!


Who is O'Sullivan?

  James, Burren I think !

There is no Burren player called O'Sullivan never mind a Down footballer. You must be thinking of someone else.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on January 17, 2016, 06:05:10 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on January 17, 2016, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 17, 2016, 03:27:30 PM
Quote from: Highlander3 on January 17, 2016, 12:24:52 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on January 17, 2016, 07:20:48 AM
Quote from: clowry13 on January 15, 2016, 01:36:13 PM
what do you make of McKay from Burren in middle of the park? Big Man with some great skill, excellent fielder of the ball

Agree but thought O'sullivan had a great game for Down and deserved MOM for his incisive balls into the half forward line. McGovern showed up well too but I think that Benny when he comes back should inject a bit of thrust into the half back line.  A big  role for him but if he can produce the form he showed in 2010 I don't think Down will be too far away come September!


Who is O'Sullivan?

  James, Burren I think !

There is no Burren player called O'Sullivan never mind a Down footballer. You must be thinking of someone else.
Given the time of the post and references to Benny and September I imagine the Gaffer is taking the proverbial here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on January 17, 2016, 09:06:07 PM
Yeah methinks you're right. O'sullivan, Benny in half back and not being too far away in September all add up to a p*sst*k*
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaffer on January 17, 2016, 09:42:05 PM
Jaysus, youse haven't much faith in your team!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on January 17, 2016, 09:52:33 PM
Now we know for sure its a p*ssta*e
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 18, 2016, 01:06:45 PM
Quote from: guevara on January 17, 2016, 12:08:19 PM
Am I the only one who thinks it would be better to move on without the likes of Benny? Anyone who watched The Bridge in Div 1 last Season will realise he wouldn't even have been in their top 3 players. Done very little in any of the games I seen & when it came down to it in The Championship looked to struggle.

A fantastic servant to Down GAA but his best days look behind him unless Burns has an impact role lined up for him. Certainly doesn't hold the fear for defenders he once did.

Che, I'd be fairly confident he is talking about Benny McArdle not Benny Coulter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on January 18, 2016, 04:45:29 PM
Che, I'd be fairly confident he is talking about Benny McArdle not Benny Coulter.

He is surely talking about Benny Coulter as he states 'if he returns to the form he was in in 2010'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on January 18, 2016, 10:20:05 PM
Seen Francie Toner named as Dundrums Senior Manager for this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaffer on January 18, 2016, 11:04:24 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on January 18, 2016, 04:45:29 PM
Che, I'd be fairly confident he is talking about Benny McArdle not Benny Coulter.

He is surely talking about Benny Coulter as he states 'if he returns to the form he was in in 2010'

Who is Benny McArdle?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on January 19, 2016, 10:16:06 AM
John Morgan & Martin McGarry taking Drumaness this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on January 19, 2016, 02:17:51 PM
Said it before , Benny is finished as an inter county footballer, he has a lot going on to fully concentrate on county football with his coaching career , his writing and his new career as a bar owner. On top of those he has the hopes and expectations of some of the down support and contributors on here, sorry lads if he has any cop on he will walk away and content himself with the role of coach/mentor and not as a down player
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on January 21, 2016, 09:47:21 AM
Sam exactly what are you going on about, my opinion is Benny as an inter county footballer is over, he was good , very good but everyone no matter how good they are ,stop sometime and his time to stop is now.For you to bring in Sean og  and distant anniversaries is in many ways very dis respectful but you are entitled ,as am I to voice your opinion, but tell me this in what way will Benny best serve his county , on the field or behind the scenes as a mentor and coach, unless you live in the twilight zone I think the answer is pretty obvious.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 21, 2016, 10:57:12 AM
Down need to push ahead with new blood and renewed focus. seems to be nostalgia and flogging of dead horses is the Down blueprint. that is worrying
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 21, 2016, 12:08:51 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on January 21, 2016, 10:57:12 AM
Down need to push ahead with new blood and renewed focus. seems to be nostalgia and flogging of dead horses is the Down blueprint. that is worrying
So we're not allowed to celebrate and remember the success of our past players?Wise up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 21, 2016, 12:41:23 PM
We have been doing that for the last 30yrs.
Lamenting the past is something we seem to be pre-occupied with in this county and its evident from the top down.
No other county does it like us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on January 21, 2016, 03:42:13 PM
You have to agree with BrickTamlin , we as a county constantly trot out our past successes and failures as a panacea for our current predicament , success for this county is not a yearly guarantee ,we rely on good underage teams to mature and stay mostly together .Our biggest problem is the failure to capitalise on the meagre success we have had in the past, and that failure lies with the county executive.We now have a new manager who we should all get behind, there are new faces in the squad who we should support and have patience with, there have been good times in the past and some dire moments so the answer is patience , we have the talent , hopefully the new structures will encourage this talent to flourish and the success will follow,but that is only an opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on January 21, 2016, 03:52:39 PM
I get it now. Support your new manager. Support your new players. But once it all goes pear shape blame Sean Og!!

That's always the default position, isn't it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on January 21, 2016, 04:09:57 PM
If he is the common denominator for failure then logically he would have to go but he alone is not the county executive , at the last count there were 13 of them , so I believe if there is further spiral downward then a few if not all of these gentlemen and ladies would have to go.So in answer to your statement Sean og is not the default position but he is judged by the success or failure of our county and it follows that his future should be determined by the success of our county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on January 21, 2016, 05:55:56 PM
To make a breakthrough at the top level nowadays you need 15-20 really class acts. Players who transcend any era. Your all ireland winning teams had those type of players in abundance but they are a fairly rare commodity nowadays. I'm talking TOP players that all need to be available at the one time. Meath Cork Galway etc as well as Down have plenty of tradition but just in this era haven't got 15-20 standout players. That's the reality I'm afraid. Not much Sean Og or the board can really do about that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 21, 2016, 06:10:04 PM
Quote from: bannside on January 21, 2016, 05:55:56 PM
To make a breakthrough at the top level nowadays you need 15-20 really class acts. Players who transcend any era. Your all ireland winning teams had those type of players in abundance but they are a fairly rare commodity nowadays. I'm talking TOP players that all need to be available at the one time. Meath Cork Galway etc as well as Down have plenty of tradition but just in this era haven't got 15-20 standout players. That's the reality I'm afraid. Not much Sean Og or the board can really do about that.
Can you swim back over the Bann and keep your opinions for your own County
or indeed counties as you seem be an Antrim fan but with a lot of opinions on Derry. Cheerio!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 21, 2016, 07:17:47 PM
Quote from: bannside on January 21, 2016, 03:52:39 PM
I get it now. Support your new manager. Support your new players. But once it all goes pear shape blame Sean Og!!

That's always the default position, isn't it?

Stick to sorting out the numerous problems your own county has, it's not as if Antrim would blame their county secretary, county chairman or senior team manager!!!!!!   Bunch of clowns  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on January 21, 2016, 10:19:47 PM
Go ahead the two of you and play the man not the subject. You haven't got the players at the minute (maybe they will return in the future) to lace the boots of previous generations but despite that you want to blame the county secretary. Tom fools.

Get real. You are a mile off the Down teams of the past. At least we are realistic about where we stand at the minute...not living in cloud cuckoo land like you pair of edjits!

Rant over and out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on January 21, 2016, 10:43:58 PM
There's me thinking I was an ejit , I'm not blaming Sean og for anything yet, but he may be in the firing line at a later date if the fortunes of my county doesn't improve.
I must however say that Bannside should really keep his opinions about Down football to himself, unless of course he has something constructive and positive to say, but that of course would be dependant on his knowledge of football in general and given where he lives that knowledge may be somewhat limited, so Bannside rant on about your own county , and leave us Down people to sort out our own problems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 21, 2016, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: bannside on January 21, 2016, 10:19:47 PM
Go ahead the two of you and play the man not the subject. You haven't got the players at the minute (maybe they will return in the future) to lace the boots of previous generations but despite that you want to blame the county secretary. Tom fools.

Get real. You are a mile off the Down teams of the past. At least we are realistic about where we stand at the minute...not living in cloud cuckoo land like you pair of edjits!

Rant over and out.

Come back in 20 years when you have sorted out the shite in your own County.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 21, 2016, 11:11:30 PM
Quote from: bannside on January 21, 2016, 11:00:04 PM
I must say however that one should takes ones somewhat limited knowledge of the game and push along.

Gladly old chap.

Are there any more pricks with something to add before I take my leave and let you sort out your own mess.

Glass houses and rest my lado. Jog on back to your own problems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 22, 2016, 12:42:09 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on January 21, 2016, 12:08:51 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on January 21, 2016, 10:57:12 AM
Down need to push ahead with new blood and renewed focus. seems to be nostalgia and flogging of dead horses is the Down blueprint. that is worrying
So we're not allowed to celebrate and remember the success of our past players?Wise up

who said you weren't allowed to ya dick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 22, 2016, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on January 22, 2016, 12:42:09 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on January 21, 2016, 12:08:51 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on January 21, 2016, 10:57:12 AM
Down need to push ahead with new blood and renewed focus. seems to be nostalgia and flogging of dead horses is the Down blueprint. that is worrying
So we're not allowed to celebrate and remember the success of our past players?Wise up

who said you weren't allowed to ya dick
Lovely post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 22, 2016, 11:14:41 AM
Great to see a bit of passion ;-)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 22, 2016, 06:34:20 PM
  Just looking at the McKenna Cup panel and the game time some of them got.There'll be a few disappointed aspiring County players when everyone comes back in from the colleges and the seasoned veterans who may or may not come back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 22, 2016, 09:57:51 PM
No different from any other year then!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 22, 2016, 10:29:25 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 22, 2016, 09:57:51 PM
No different from any other year then!!
And our Club championship and leagues will take place in June and July without any interference from county activity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on January 23, 2016, 09:39:39 AM
Hopefully there will be no starred games, and those teams that finish top of their respective leagues are declared the winners and those that finish bottom are relegated. Let's get away from the absurd notion that a team finishing third can ultimately be declared champions after a play of and such games are played under lights in October.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 23, 2016, 11:08:27 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on January 23, 2016, 09:39:39 AM
Hopefully there will be no starred games, and those teams that finish top of their respective leagues are declared the winners and those that finish bottom are relegated. Let's get away from the absurd notion that a team finishing third can ultimately be declared champions after a play of and such games are played under lights in October.
Lol

There is genuinely only one problem with the starred system, being that it has been around so long now that twits like you have absolutely no idea/recollection of all the problems it solved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 23, 2016, 09:43:49 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2016, 11:08:27 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on January 23, 2016, 09:39:39 AM
Hopefully there will be no starred games, and those teams that finish top of their respective leagues are declared the winners and those that finish bottom are relegated. Let's get away from the absurd notion that a team finishing third can ultimately be declared champions after a play of and such games are played under lights in October.
Lol

There is genuinely only one problem with the starred system, being that it has been around so long now that twits like you have absolutely no idea/recollection of all the problems it solved.
While definetly agreeing with you that cut the crap is a twit-what problems has the starred system solved?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 23, 2016, 10:04:23 PM
The starred system was introduced in the 90's when we were competing for Ulsters and All Ireland's to ensure that the leagues continued without county players playing for their clubs. We now have a limited chance of our county being involved at this level and this has been the same for some years now. I'm not sure what good this starred system has done myself but has it really done club football that much good?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on January 23, 2016, 11:22:09 PM
So do you want the starred system to remain along with the play offs, which like you say tried to solve the problems of the nineties when we were winning titles, wakey wakey , we are winning nothing , the only purpose the current system serves is to provide more revenue for the county treasurer .Reverting back to winner takes all and the loser gets relegated wouldn't be a bad thing.However certain South Down clubs maybe in favour of keeping the current system for their own reasons, would they care to share them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaffer on January 24, 2016, 12:22:39 AM
Boys, get over to the McKenna Cup thread

The aul Derry /Tyrone twisting starting up again! Hasn't been like this since the mid 99s!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on January 24, 2016, 10:05:06 AM
Starred fixtures and the move to Friday night coincided with the demise of our County team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 24, 2016, 12:04:30 PM
Jesus Christ I've heard it all now. Down's fall from grace wasn't down to these factors:

- Armagh getting a once in a century crop of players.
- Tyrone doing likewise, and building an infrastructure to stay on the pedestal.
- Donegal and Monaghan matching that infrastructure and techniques.
- An unwillingness by a succession of Down senior managers to employ the necessary tactics to beat any of the teams above.
- That between 2000 and 2009, not one single Down player put in an individually outstanding season worthy of being nominated for an All Star.
- The shocking way that the players and management surrendered meekly in the back door for the first 5-6 years of the format.
- The abysmal lack of county team playing facilities in the county.
- The appalling youth structures that have delivered precisely 0 Ulster minor titles in 17 years.

No, apparently it's all due to club matches being played on Friday nights and county players getting a reduction in their demands during championship time.

f**king madness.

You might as well trace our failings back to the PIRA ceasefire of 1995, or the rise of the ROI soccer team during the early nineties.

I hate the internet because it means bonkers foolish shit like this actually gets aired for everyone to see.


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Re the starred system, it was created to protect the clubs who contribute to county football.

Before it happened, the club season was a horrendous, disjointed, never-ending mess of cancellations, postponements and objections. The deaths of distant club men were routinely used to force a postponement during the county season.

The playoffs, particularly the relegation playoffs, are the most vital part of this arrangement. Ultimately, these are used to decide among peers, who is most fit to stay in a division, when all things are equal in terms of commitments.

Trust me, the last thing Down football needs is a team that is awash with County players, dropping down to division 2. It is utterly demoralising for a D2 team to face them, and from a player development perspective is a huge step backwards.

Similarly you don't want a team with one outstanding talent, dropping into D4, as nobody will be able to mark him.

But the most important thing is that due to the starred system, and ONLY because of it, the leagues "proper" haven't gone past October in 20 years, and our summers have been stuffed full of club games throughout. It's been an extraordinary positive for club footballers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 24, 2016, 12:47:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2016, 12:04:30 PM
Jesus Christ I've heard it all now. Down's fall from grace wasn't down to these factors:

- Armagh getting a once in a century crop of players.
- Tyrone doing likewise, and building an infrastructure to stay on the pedestal.
- Donegal and Monaghan matching that infrastructure and techniques.
- An unwillingness by a succession of Down senior managers to employ the necessary tactics to beat any of the teams above.
- That between 2000 and 2009, not one single Down player put in an individually outstanding season worthy of being nominated for an All Star.
- The shocking way that the players and management surrendered meekly in the back door for the first 5-6 years of the format.
- The abysmal lack of county team playing facilities in the county.
- The appalling youth structures that have delivered precisely 0 Ulster minor titles in 17 years.

No, apparently it's all due to club matches being played on Friday nights and county players getting a reduction in their demands during championship time.

f**king madness.

You might as well trace our failings back to the PIRA ceasefire of 1995, or the rise of the ROI soccer team during the early nineties.

I hate the internet because it means bonkers foolish shit like this actually gets aired for everyone to see.


-----

Re the starred system, it was created to protect the clubs who contribute to county football.

Before it happened, the club season was a horrendous, disjointed, never-ending mess of cancellations, postponements and objections. The deaths of distant club men were routinely used to force a postponement during the county season.

The playoffs, particularly the relegation playoffs, are the most vital part of this arrangement. Ultimately, these are used to decide among peers, who is most fit to stay in a division, when all things are equal in terms of commitments.

Trust me, the last thing Down football needs is a team that is awash with County players, dropping down to division 2. It is utterly demoralising for a D2 team to face them, and from a player development perspective is a huge step backwards.

Similarly you don't want a team with one outstanding talent, dropping into D4, as nobody will be able to mark him.

But the most important thing is that due to the starred system, and ONLY because of it, the leagues "proper" haven't gone past October in 20 years, and our summers have been stuffed full of club games throughout. It's been an extraordinary positive for club footballers.

See if you think playing football on Friday nights and boys drinking the head of themselves all weekend hasn't effected the county team then your heads clearly away with it..  The standard of club football has dropped dramatically in Down, especially in the lower divisions!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 24, 2016, 01:08:18 PM
Okay, so now the problem with Down football is drink related? somehow we've created a system that turns average club footballers into ranging alcoholics? And that despite having entire summers without a club fixture, those rural Donegal footballers never turn to the stuff?

Some of you folks are so busy looking for excuses that you've forgotten what  the problem is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on January 24, 2016, 01:42:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2016, 01:08:18 PM
Okay, so now the problem with Down football is drink related? somehow we've created a system that turns average club footballers into ranging alcoholics? And that despite having entire summers without a club fixture, those rural Donegal footballers never turn to the stuff?

Some of you folks are so busy looking for excuses that you've forgotten what  the problem is.
What is "the problem"?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 24, 2016, 01:51:46 PM
Quote from: imagine on January 24, 2016, 01:42:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2016, 01:08:18 PM
Okay, so now the problem with Down football is drink related? somehow we've created a system that turns average club footballers into ranging alcoholics? And that despite having entire summers without a club fixture, those rural Donegal footballers never turn to the stuff?

Some of you folks are so busy looking for excuses that you've forgotten what  the problem is.
What is "the problem"?

The widening gap between Down football teams and success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 24, 2016, 01:56:18 PM
There is a few boys here on the beer now I think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 24, 2016, 02:52:46 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 24, 2016, 01:56:18 PM
There is a few boys here on the beer now I think
As long as the Bridge's bar makes a profit at the end of the year never mind the silverware.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on January 24, 2016, 07:49:22 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 24, 2016, 05:40:49 PM
Quote from: imagine on January 24, 2016, 01:55:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2016, 01:51:46 PM
Quote from: imagine on January 24, 2016, 01:42:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2016, 01:08:18 PM
Okay, so now the problem with Down football is drink related? somehow we've created a system that turns average club footballers into ranging alcoholics? And that despite having entire summers without a club fixture, those rural Donegal footballers never turn to the stuff?

Some of you folks are so busy looking for excuses that you've forgotten what  the problem is.
What is "the problem"?

The widening gap between Down football teams and success.
Play the Senior games and reserves on the same day as the more successful counties do and forget about Super Sundays on sky TV.
You all should admit that Sundays are good for lazing about watching Sky Sports and the foreign game.Good wins for Swansea and Chelsea today while our "stand up"rugby colleagues in the other foreign game failed to qualify for the knock-out stages of Europe :) ;) :D :o ::) :P :-
The sooner the NFL starts the better to get rid of this bullsh-tting that's been written over the past month.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 24, 2016, 08:23:38 PM
Amen to that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAAHEAD1960 on January 25, 2016, 08:43:46 AM
12 teams in first and second division (or so i'm lead to believe). Home and away draws meaning 22 games per team this season . There were 15 games per team last year and there was bother getting these games fitted into the schedule. Gonna be tight going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on January 25, 2016, 03:08:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2016, 11:08:27 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on January 23, 2016, 09:39:39 AM
Hopefully there will be no starred games, and those teams that finish top of their respective leagues are declared the winners and those that finish bottom are relegated. Let's get away from the absurd notion that a team finishing third can ultimately be declared champions after a play of and such games are played under lights in October.
Lol

There is genuinely only one problem with the starred system, being that it has been around so long now that twits like you have absolutely no idea/recollection of all the problems it solved.

I played under both systems and it may have solved one problem but created another. I can recall the back log of games in and around that time. I played against Burren in a league final on New Years Day such was the backlog and the pitch was frozen solid. I was all far the starred system at that time and I can fully understand why the county board made the decision to introduce the starred system.

However, the quality of football matches thereafter certainly diminished. Before the starred system you only had ten team divisions and if you lost a few matches at the start of the year you were in real trouble. Consequently, the matches were of a high intensity and because they were played with the county players the standard was higher.  I concede some matches at the end of the season were dead rubbers, but I do think it would be better for the County if we were playing at a higher intensity and standard at the start of the year when the county is still involved, rather than at the end of the season. Playing with the starred season as it is is playing with a psychological safety net.

I agree with you there are other issues maybe as important that need addressed, but the starred system as it stands is flawed. I would suggest reducing the division back to ten (fewer but higher quality games) and having a very limited number of starred games. Perhaps the top two could playoff for the title.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on January 25, 2016, 03:59:55 PM
Similarly BI , I played under both systems, & wobbler is right the fact that loads of club players spent weeks twiddling their thumbs waiting the next game , is of itself enough justification for the starred system. I think it was the brainchild of Trixie Dougherty who had experience of club county and schools football and was therefore acutely aware of the needs of players & managers. It is an ingenious system, so good that it has remained untouched since. However like all good concepts, it can be improved further. As evidenced by the ulster/AI chsmpionships, NFL and even this weekend's Mckenna cup fare, the Intercounty game is our showpiece , and enables promotion of our games, county pride and spectator/TV following which the club game can't match. The club game on the other hand , brilliantly provides for competitive participation and club rivalry for thousands. In my opinion the success of both aspects of the GAA is not mutually exclusive.
We should provide a system which:
1.provides regular scheduled , weekly games for our thousands of exclusively club players.
2.provides regular Intercounty games for all counties to enable them to avail of the promotional positivity of county games, in our excellent but underused stadia .
3. Legislate to Protect county players from
Overuse
4. Ensure that there are blocks of several games for clubs when their county men are available so that these clubs can enjoy seeing their county men regularly representing the club that reared them.

All the above require a national fixtures programme , with blocks of county games( when club league games go ahead without 25 named county players) . Then blocks of club championship games ( when all county players are available.)
In effect this is a modification of the starred system with the added bonus of protecting county players, and ensuring weekly club games.

This actually means that club and county players would be exposed to more competitive games but less training.

The club calendar should be completed within the calendar year eg Loughinisland would have proceeded straight to AI semi after their Ulster victory. I think the Christmas break until club AI series, doesn't suit anyone well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 25, 2016, 06:01:13 PM
Blue Island, I agree entirely with you about 10 team leagues - we undoubtedly saw an increased intensity in football for a couple of seasons when they were briefly introduced at turn of this decade.

But i don't think - being pragmatic - that 10 team leagues and the starred system are the one discussion. The former is about raising standards, the latter is about ensuring that club fixtures move forward regardless of how successful the county team is.

The problem with 10 teams is that even though everybody knows it's better for footballing standards and better for fixture congestion, when push comes to shove, the majority of clubs would prefer to play in a weakened higher division than a stronger lower division. They seem to regard the possibility of playing a season or two at a division below, akin to turkeys voting for Christmas.

They know this too. Which is why sometimes democracy isn't the right solution!

6th Sam, I'm pretty sure you and me have had this discussion before, and the reality is that until the county game is fenced off into sections then nothing else is possible.

Re a few of the discussions above:

- the day that a fixture is played, and the fact that a B game happens before it, has absolutely no impact on its intensity. Successful counties don't arise from watching reserve football. They arise because their senior club footballers will do anything for success.

- related to that, if your club is suffering from an all-weekend drink culture, and you reckon that this is due to an external problem such as fixture scheduling, and not an internal one with attitudes towards drink, then you are wildly mistaken.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 25, 2016, 07:26:26 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 25, 2016, 06:01:13 PM
Blue Island, I agree entirely with you about 10 team leagues - we undoubtedly saw an increased intensity in football for a couple of seasons when they were briefly introduced at turn of this decade.

But i don't think - being pragmatic - that 10 team leagues and the starred system are the one discussion. The former is about raising standards, the latter is about ensuring that club fixtures move forward regardless of how successful the county team is.

The problem with 10 teams is that even though everybody knows it's better for footballing standards and better for fixture congestion, when push comes to shove, the majority of clubs would prefer to play in a weakened higher division than a stronger lower division. They seem to regard the possibility of playing a season or two at a division below, akin to turkeys voting for Christmas.

They know this too. Which is why sometimes democracy isn't the right solution!

6th Sam, I'm pretty sure you and me have had this discussion before, and the reality is that until the county game is fenced off into sections then nothing else is possible.

Re a few of the discussions above:

- the day that a fixture is played, and the fact that a B game happens before it, has absolutely no impact on its intensity. Successful counties don't arise from watching reserve football. They arise because their senior club footballers will do anything for success.

- related to that, if your club is suffering from an all-weekend drink culture, and you reckon that this is due to an external problem such as fixture scheduling, and not an internal one with attitudes towards drink, then you are wildly mistaken.
long as the Harp's bar makes a profit at the end of the year never mind the silverware.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 25, 2016, 08:35:52 PM
Well seeing as a healthy bar at the club could only be a sign of a prosperous, close knit community, then you're probably right Ross.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on January 25, 2016, 09:07:08 PM
Wobbler. I don't think we are that far apart on the issue. I would not advocate the scrapping of the starred system, I just believe it has been over used and I would prefer quality over quantity. There are too many starred games. The starred system was inventive. but I believe it has been extended too far and we need to get the intensity back.

That of course was not the only problem. Allowing a situation where you can come near the bottom of the league and beat the fourth team from the bottom and stay up created a problem too.  It allowed complacency by providing a safety net.   

A ten team division would naturally mean less need for starred games and would require less teams involved in the play off positions. At least there is a reduction now to 12 teams. 16 was a disaster.

As regards to Turkey's voting for Christmas, we would be one those Turkey's and whilst I don't know what the majority would vote in my own club, most people I speak to would have the attitude that if you are good enough you will be in Div One  and if not you will just have to work harder.

6th Sam. I can see what you are saying, particularly about intercounty player burn out. It is like the Children of the Corn now where players disappear when they hit a certain age. (about 31) Too much is expected of county players, but whilst I agree with the symptoms I would not agree with the cure.

Your suggestion reminds me of the way Rugby has went in Ireland. The All Ireland league used to draw crowds and their best players played for the province, but their primary loyalty remained with the club. The provincial system (permanent contracts etc) has been a raging success, but their club league is away to the dogs. We don't have an international audience and our strength is primarily with clubs. I realise you are not suggesting players are not allowed to play for the clubs, just a reduction. But the more county players are distanced from the clubs the more it will diminish the leagues. The GAA's core strength remains primarily with the club.

I don't think it necessarily needs to be a club v county thing. There are other ways of limiting the amount of games and times spent training by county players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on January 26, 2016, 12:19:17 AM
Yes, I think we're all in agreement what the problems are, just probably have different views on solutions. I am not actually recommending less club games for county players, but more club games for ALL county players.  My GAA utopia would involve Dec/Jan/Feb:off season/pre-season. Mar/April/may:provincial seeding championships & club league. May/June/July  :club championship "regular season". July/August/sept: AI series top 16 round robin/bottom 16 Roundrobin with bottom 16 finalists earning re-entry into top 16 knockout stages , & club league. Sept/oct/Nov: remaining regular club championship season, with last 3 weeks being knockout qf/sf/f and relegation qf/sf/f. Nov/dec : club provincials and AI series.

The key concept is that ALL players are given the opportunity for regular club and county football. We retain the provincial championships but in a champions league round-robin format , providing regular games, no dead rubbers in view of top 16 qualification and seeding. Ulster and Leinster would provide 5 qualifiers each for top 16 , Munster & Connacht 3-thus redressing the current provincial imbalance. The bottom 16 finalists gain re-entry to top 16 for qf playoff with lowest ranked qualifying top 16 teams7,8.
This gives every county regular football for their Intercounty block , & therefore a chance to develop in-year.
Club league football proceeds during county football blocks with some county panellists released on certain days and all county players can return to clubs as soon as their county campaign finishes.
However Come early sept, it's "club time"! The big difference is that this must involve a system of games for all clubs up until the last two weeks of county championships eg seeded Roundrobin, & also championship relegation qf/sf playoffs . This gives all club players exposure to meaningful championship games, & means that clubs get a chance to play several games with their full complement. The club league allows fringe players to fight for their club championship place , in th knowledge that county players will be coming back into the squad for the championship .

This sounds more complicated  than it actually is. It allows for competitive club football, county football for all, while protecting county players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on January 26, 2016, 09:16:51 AM
Unless any of Blueisland,6thSam or indeed any others sit on county board we are all wasting out keyboard time on something that we have no control over. Potential Down team for Sat night,anyone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on January 26, 2016, 10:19:26 AM
Anyone have the list of teams in the 4 Football divisions this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on January 26, 2016, 10:38:06 AM
Division 1
Burren=sean ward
Bryansford= brian burns
Ballyholland= Steven poacher
Kilcoo= Paul McIlvor
Mayobridge=
Glenn=
CPN=
Clonduff=
Castlewellan= shorty trainer
Saval=Gareth thornton
Longstone=
Ballymartin=

Division 2
RGU Downpatrick=Conor Deegan
Rostrevor= Shane Mulholland
Annaclone=
Liatroim= Shane King
Clann na Banna= Gary Farrell
Loughinisland= Jerome Johnstone
Darragh Cross=
Tullylish= was Eamon Burns but now with County
Bredagh=
An Riocht=
Carryduff=
St. John's= Paul McShane

Division 3
Attical=
Drumaness=
Bosco=
Saul=
Dromara=
Shamrocks=
Kilclief=
Drumgath=
Glassdrumman= Emmett Devlin
Teconnaught=

Division 4
Aughlisnafin=
Dundrum=
Mitchels=
Ardglass= Ryan Kelly
St pauls=
Bright= Noel Burke
St Michaels=
Aghaderg=
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on January 26, 2016, 02:26:50 PM
Quote from: interested on January 26, 2016, 09:16:51 AM
Unless any of Blueisland,6thSam or indeed any others sit on county board we are all wasting out keyboard time on something that we have no control over. Potential Down team for Sat night,anyone?



No idea.

Apart from the papers writing that Laverty and Benny McArdle are unavailable, who else is injured?
Are any more old heads in?
Are the Sigerson lads playing?
Any new faces getting a chance?
Will it rain?
Will a player do an interview with the Irish News before Saturday "stating that Down need to start winning things and that the spirit is better than ever"?

F$ck knows, but at least the proper football is back. I have missed the torture
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on January 26, 2016, 07:45:55 PM
Quote from: outinfront on January 26, 2016, 10:38:06 AM
Division 1
Burren=sean ward
Bryansford= brian burns
Ballyholland= Steven poacher
Kilcoo= Paul McIlvor
Mayobridge=
Glenn=
CPN=
Clonduff=
Castlewellan= shorty trainer
Saval=Gareth thornton
Longstone=
Ballymartin=

Division 2
RGU Downpatrick=Conor Deegan
Rostrevor= Shane Mulholland
Annaclone=
Liatroim= Shane King
Clann na Banna= Gary Farrell
Loughinisland= Jerome Johnstone
Darragh Cross=
Tullylish= was Eamon Burns but now with County
Bredagh=
An Riocht=
Carryduff=
St. John's= Paul McShane

Division 3
Attical=
Drumaness=
Bosco=
Saul=
Dromara=
Shamrocks=
Kilclief=
Drumgath=
Glassdrumman= Emmett Devlin
Teconnaught=

Division 4
Aughlisnafin=
Dundrum=
Mitchels=
Ardglass= Ryan Kelly
St pauls=
Bright= Noel Burke
St Michaels=
Aghaderg=
Killyleagh
Ballykinlar


Dundrum have Francie Toner in and near sure Killyleagh and Ballykinlar have folded so that leaves 8 teams in Division 4 so each team prob play each other 3 times
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 26, 2016, 08:59:32 PM
Quote from: interested on January 26, 2016, 09:16:51 AM
Unless any of Blueisland,6thSam or indeed any others sit on county board we are all wasting out keyboard time on something that we have no control over. Potential Down team for Sat night,anyone?

I would imagine something like this;

Kane
Magee
C Mc Govern
D O hagan  (if fit?)
O Hanlon
Carr
Boyle
P Turley
Mc Kernan
Maginn
Poland
Mooney
O Hare
Madine
Mc Conville.

I'd personally like to see G Mc Govern, N Mc Parland, R Johnson involved. And Clarke obviously! Is Jerome J. out injured?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on January 27, 2016, 10:30:06 AM
Quote from: Predictor on January 26, 2016, 07:45:55 PM
Dundrum have Francie Toner in and near sure Killyleagh and Ballykinlar have folded so that leaves 8 teams in Division 4 so each team prob play each other 3 times

I can't understand this. How can there not be 15 guys that want to play football? Even playing badly or at a poor standard is at least a game. Surely Ballykinlar can find 15 fellas who would like  a run-out, if for nothing else other than health and social purposes. Or is it money? Can they simply not make enough to pay for the upkeep of the ground, the club, the kits? Do GAA clubs have to pay rates to the council on their field?

My post may sound naive, but I actually know nothing about clubs financing methods. So is it money or a lack of players?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redzone on January 27, 2016, 12:19:52 PM
Between £70000 - £90000 to run a club for the year Pauld
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on January 27, 2016, 02:32:20 PM
Rubbish,

It varies much more depending on the size of the club, its membership, clubhouse facilities etc. 70k - 90k is too specific.

A big club in Dublin is a world apart from a small rural club with few teams and limited facilities. 

I'd imagine any club person with access on this information won't be forthcoming so lets not open a can of worms here.......


The main problem is people power as people bring in the money:

If a club are unable to attract people then you are going to struggle not just with playing numbers (across the age groups) but also fundraisers, volunteers, members who contribute to fundraising, membership fees, etc.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 27, 2016, 03:33:10 PM
Division 1

Burren=Sean Ward
Bryansford= Brian Burns
Ballyholland= Steven Poacher
Kilcoo= Paul McIvor
Mayobridge=Frank Dawson
Glenn=John Kennedy
CPN=Bernie Ruane
Clonduff= Ross Carr
Castlewellan= Shorty Treanor
Saval=Gareth Thornton
Longstone=Keith Kelly
Ballymartin=Hugh Trainor

Division 2

RGU Downpatrick=Conor Deegan
Rostrevor= Shane Mulholland
Annaclone=Justy Lynch
Liatroim= Shane King
Clann na Banna= Gary Farrell
Loughinisland= Jerome Johnstone
Darragh Cross=Bundy Mason
Tullylish=
Bredagh=Jody Gormley
An Riocht=Brendan McVeigh Snr
Carryduff=Tom Potter
St. John's= Paul McShane

Division 3

Attical=Paddy O'Higgins
Drumaness=John Morgan
Bosco=Gavin Quinn
Saul=Cathal Murray
Dromara=Niall O'Toole
Shamrocks=
Kilclief=
Drumgath=
Glassdrumman= Emmett Devlin
Teconnaught=Dan Rice

Division 4

Aughlisnafin=
Dundrum=Francie Toner
Mitchels=
Ardglass= Ryan Kelly
St Pauls=
Bright= Noel Burke
St Michaels=Simon Crozier
Aghaderg=

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on January 28, 2016, 11:53:42 AM
Division 1

Burren=Sean Ward
Bryansford= Brian Burns
Ballyholland= Steven Poacher
Kilcoo= Paul McIvor
Mayobridge=Frank Dawson
Glenn=John Kennedy
CPN=Bernie Ruane
Clonduff= Ross Carr
Castlewellan= Shorty Treanor
Saval=Gareth Thornton
Longstone=Keith Kelly
Ballymartin=Hugh Trainor

Division 2

RGU Downpatrick=Conor Deegan
Rostrevor= Shane Mulholland
Annaclone=Justy Lynch
Liatroim= Shane King
Clann na Banna= Gary Farrell
Loughinisland= Jerome Johnstone
Darragh Cross=Bundy Mason
Tullylish=
Bredagh=Jody Gormley
An Riocht=Brendan McVeigh Snr
Carryduff=Tom Potter
St. John's= Paul McShane

Division 3

Attical=Paddy O'Higgins
Drumaness=John Morgan
Bosco=Gavin Quinn
Saul=Cathal Murray
Dromara=Niall O'Toole
Shamrocks=
Kilclief=
Drumgath=Ronan Sexton
Glassdrumman= Emmett Devlin
Teconnaught=Dan Rice

Division 4

Aughlisnafin=
Dundrum=Francie Toner
Mitchels=
Ardglass= Ryan Kelly
St Pauls=
Bright= Noel Burke
St Michaels=Simon Crozier
Aghaderg=
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redzone on January 28, 2016, 12:25:16 PM
Quote from: A man from Down on January 27, 2016, 02:32:20 PM
Rubbish,

It varies much more depending on the size of the club, its membership, clubhouse facilities etc. 70k - 90k is too specific.

A big club in Dublin is a world apart from a small rural club with few teams and limited facilities. 

I'd imagine any club person with access on this information won't be forthcoming so lets not open a can of worms here.......


The main problem is people power as people bring in the money:

If a club are unable to attract people then you are going to struggle not just with playing numbers (across the age groups) but also fundraisers, volunteers, members who contribute to fundraising, membership fees, etc.




Lol, how can u rubbish that statement when u don't have anything to back it up. That's what it costs for a div 1 team that fields at all levels men and women. I'm sure someone can confirm it. That's no outside manager, standard clubrooms, 2 pitche. Prob a bit cheaper on lower divisions . Even to enter teams in completions at all age groups is big money. Strange how u think nobody in down will be forthcoming with any info.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on January 28, 2016, 01:27:58 PM
I can confirm that my club is similar to this and it costs in that region to run it as well! The information is open for all club members to see at the agm!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 28, 2016, 09:16:18 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 28, 2016, 04:16:43 PM
  Never mind the Clubs but have a read at these comments from Connaught in todays Irish Independent--does the cap fit in Down?
"'''
John Prenty, Connacht Council secretary, predicts that up to 90pc of the counties could be in danger of going bust if they don't curb team costs.
Citing Connacht as an example of the soaring expenditure, he said it was "financially unsustainable" that team costs in Mayo, Galway, Roscommon, Sligo and Leitrim were almost five times the gate receipts for last year's Connacht senior championships. They totalled €747,000 while €3.8m was spent on county teams.
"That's not sustainable. The ratio between games and training is totally out of line for county panels. An industry has grown up too around teams. There are so many involved now that two buses are need to bring everyone to games.
"While all this money is being spent, club players are being left idle for long stretches. Any wonder they're becoming so disillusioned. If this continues we'll lose them to soccer and other sports," said Prenty.
He believes that many of the problems stems from a lack of leadership at county board level.
"Decisions are taken at Congress and Central Council but are they implemented? It comes down to leadership and taking responsibility by county boards. It's the only way this can be taken on and sorted out," he said
The hat probably fits very tightly but no different from most Counties.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on January 28, 2016, 09:49:33 PM
All clubs within Down have to submit accounts to the county treasurer which may or may not tell the story has to how much it is taking to run teams every year, where the waters get muddied is when managers are getting cash payments and depending on the size of the club and the desire for success within a club , these payments can vary between a few pounds in diesel money to hundreds of pounds per week.
There are managers who regularly change clubs to line their pockets, and that leads on to counties who pay exorbitant amounts to coaches, managers etc etc to guarantee success and in order to keep up with the neighbours these amounts have spiralled out of control.
To stop these under the counter payments to managers of both club and county the revenue commissioners in the south and the tax inspectors in the north would have to be called in to ensure fair play, but as we know there are ways around every problem!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 29, 2016, 12:29:18 AM
Saturday is as big a league game as we have had for a while as a defeat would leave relegation almost certain while a win would give our season a huge lift. Most people are writing us off but it is worth remembering that our NFL record under the Newry lights is reasonable and we have actually beaten Donegal on their last two visits. While our squad is fairly inexperienced, they are also rebuilding so nothing can be ruled out. The team Ed Hardy suggested has quite a few probables but Dee Turley, Gerard McGovern, Ryan Mallon and Ryan Johnston are also very much in contention. We apparently lost a friendly against Antrim last week, which is hardly encouraging, but our new manager is likely to have targeted this fixture from an early stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 29, 2016, 10:28:50 AM
The figures quoted by Prenty are wildly misleading as it doesn't even consider gate receipts from AI qualifiers, the National League, or Mayo's quarter final, semi final and replay - let alone secondary income sources.

It's annoying because I fully agree with the point he's trying to make. But presenting figures in such a way doesn't help the argument IMHO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 29, 2016, 02:00:02 PM
is Danny Hughes Shamrocks manager ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 29, 2016, 02:04:47 PM
Down v Donegal named starting 15 (subject to tweaks)

1. Stephen Kane
2. Darren O'Hagan
3. Gerard McGovern
4. Malachy Magee
5. Michael Hughes
6. Conaill McGovern
7. Ryan Boyle
8. Peter Turley
9. Henry Brown
10. Joe Murphy
11. Mark Poland
12. Kevin McKernan
13. Ryan Johnston
14. Arthur McConville
15. Donal O'Hare
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on January 29, 2016, 04:11:13 PM
Only 2 kilcoo players in the line up for Saturday night !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 29, 2016, 08:02:06 PM
I know nothing about Henry Brown, can anyone enlighten me?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on January 29, 2016, 08:07:37 PM
Pretty sure he is the new shamrocks boss lecale
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 29, 2016, 08:54:18 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 29, 2016, 08:02:06 PM
I know nothing about Henry Brown, can anyone enlighten me?
plays midfield for clonduff, also plays midfield for queens. good club player not sure about county standard. big unit, hope he does well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 29, 2016, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: east down gael on January 29, 2016, 08:07:37 PM
Pretty sure he is the new shamrocks boss lecale

100% correct
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 30, 2016, 07:49:47 AM
Quote from: supersub on January 29, 2016, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: east down gael on January 29, 2016, 08:07:37 PM
Pretty sure he is the new shamrocks boss lecale

100% correct
Him and Benny did a great job in Armagh last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on January 30, 2016, 09:16:37 AM
Shamrocks would be an attractive enough proposition for someone looking to cut their teeth in management.good underage teams,good facilities and they are in a league where if they put in a good effort they have the potential for promotion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on January 30, 2016, 02:40:19 PM
Who's michael Hughes? Never heard of him. Where mooney?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 30, 2016, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on January 30, 2016, 02:40:19 PM
Who's michael Hughes? Never heard of him. Where mooney?


Giving off to the Irish News.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 30, 2016, 07:48:25 PM
Not looking good for the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on January 30, 2016, 07:48:49 PM
Ref is doing us no favours but Donegal do look better in the first half, we have to up the pace after the break
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 30, 2016, 09:13:24 PM
that was simply embarassing. men against boys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 30, 2016, 09:45:32 PM
Very early days but Down were miles behind Donegal 2nite, never got close to them... gonna be a long year ahead!   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on January 30, 2016, 09:53:27 PM
Not fit or even close to being fit! Some down players were gasping for breath with only 10 mins gone. Physically weak, Donegal bossed every sector and it was like men against boys. No real structure or suitable game plan really looked like a gather up just out to give it a go. No togetherness which is most worrying there was a bit of a melee in the second half when a down player was under pressure 5 Donegal players ran to help their teammates while the down lads stood back and watched.  I know it's early days but I'm not exaggerating when I say down look about 2 leagues above where they should really be playing. I'd be surprised if they win a league game this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 30, 2016, 10:10:35 PM
There's really not much to be said about tonight other than that  Donegal are a serious side and at this stage we plainly are not. On this performance, not a single Down player would make the Donegal bench. You could only feel sorry for Burns as a new manager having so little raw material at his disposal. He will need to strengthen his squad from somewhere, but his options are limited and it is clearly going to be a very tough league for us. The big advantage in our unlikely promotion last season was that we can only get relegated back to D2, as opposed to D3, which looks to be our level at the moment. Last year, we probably peaked too soon. That is hardly going to be our problem in 2016.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on January 30, 2016, 10:14:18 PM
After tonight's performance, I reckon by the end of this year we will be in the bottom 6 teams in Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 30, 2016, 10:32:45 PM
A number of weeks ago a few of us said we could see Down going the whole year without a win and we were laughed at.................

Probably the worst Down team since the end of Petes era.  Not nice to say but some them lads tonight wouldnt get on a decent club team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aaron Boone on January 30, 2016, 10:52:53 PM
I bet Down will survive this season. Believe. Games that shouldn't be won will be won.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 30, 2016, 11:13:41 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 30, 2016, 10:52:53 PM
I bet Down will survive this season. Believe. Games that shouldn't be won will be won.
Aaron you must be under the influence of something or other.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aaron Boone on January 30, 2016, 11:15:24 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 30, 2016, 11:13:41 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 30, 2016, 10:52:53 PM
I bet Down will survive this season. Believe. Games that shouldn't be won will be won.
Aaron you must be under the influence of something or other.
We will talk at Easter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 30, 2016, 11:39:24 PM
I am a glass half full man at all times but tonight was awful. No game plan, fitness severely lacking, baffling substitutions and a complete lack of fight. It's really difficult to see a positive future for this team. At least we have great talent coming through our fantastic underage structures.............

If Mourne Rover has nothing constructive to say then we really are up to our necks in the shite.

The strength of the Donegal bench tonight shows just how far away we are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 31, 2016, 12:43:40 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 30, 2016, 11:15:24 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 30, 2016, 11:13:41 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 30, 2016, 10:52:53 PM
I bet Down will survive this season. Believe. Games that shouldn't be won will be won.
Aaron you must be under the influence of something or other.
We will talk at Easter.
Are we meeting up somewhere then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 31, 2016, 01:00:02 AM
Truly I'm saddened to say it, but deep down we all knew it was coming, and we all know this is not the worst of what's coming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on January 31, 2016, 01:21:56 AM
Division 1 was always going to be a baptism of fire for new management and evidently from what was on show tonight a lot of new players.

Being brutally honest I was looking at a few of our players tonight and I had to have a second or third look at the programme to get the name of them, I hadn't seen them before and they did not look like county standard. A lot of our household names are not present at the moment through various reasons but IMHO if we are to give a decent account of ourselves in Division 1 and not go down without a fight these players need re-introduced.

I have absolutely no doubt that the new players in the team are giving 100% at training and doing their best but it might just be the case that they are not good enough, especially at for Division 1. Having said that Donegal seemed a step ahead of Down and much fitter and sharper. This definitely should not be the case when playing the opening game of the league, on your home turf and trying to impress a new manager and cement a starting berth on team.

As mentioned before Donegal's bench was extremely strong and they had Down well beat before introducing some of their more regular players. On the other hand Down's substitutions were very poor tonight, which again would point to getting some of the more established players from previous seasons back in the Down jersey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 31, 2016, 10:32:28 AM
Monaghan up next weekend so doesnt get much easier, definitely needs to be changes made for that. Really worry we could end up with 0 wins from the league this year. As for next week I'd go with

Kane
O hagan
G Mc Govern
Magee
R Mallon
Carr
Mc Parland
Turley
Mc Kernan
Maginn
R Johnson
Mooney
O Hare
Madine
Doran


Anyword on when Jerome will be back? I'd say one or two from Loughinisland will be called in after the Monaghan game.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on January 31, 2016, 10:37:32 AM
Mc parland not even on the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 31, 2016, 10:46:21 AM
Quote from: sdg on January 31, 2016, 10:37:32 AM
Mc parland not even on the panel.

Sorry thought he was! Well then give Conall Mc Govern that spot
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 31, 2016, 10:57:09 AM
Poor performance last night
Will give a player for player rating later
We just don't have the players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on January 31, 2016, 11:45:14 AM
Down literally running about that pitch last night with fat men. Embarrassing show
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 31, 2016, 11:46:26 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 31, 2016, 10:57:09 AM
Poor performance last night
Will give a player for player rating later
We just don't have the players
but theres no excuse for the lack of fight and the obvious lack of fitness.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 31, 2016, 11:54:26 AM
Yes fair enough point
Lads looked out in there feet after 10 minutes
Who is the fitness coach?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 31, 2016, 12:13:49 PM
Lot of boys had their first real taste of inter county football last night. With the inexperience on show we simply can't be expecting any victories in the league. Especially at Division 1 level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 31, 2016, 12:16:59 PM
Seen Conor Garvey in the crowd last night, he injured or not in the panel this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 31, 2016, 01:03:39 PM
If you were Dan Gordon or marty Clarke sitting in the crowd last night. Would you be in  a rush back to the set up. Maybe for June but it is highly likely we won't win a game this year sadly last night was thee worst performance I've witnessed in many years. Every free kick out of range was played back words.  15 big tall athlete's  would've done better last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on January 31, 2016, 01:55:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 31, 2016, 01:00:02 AM
Truly I'm saddened to say it, but deep down we all knew it was coming, and we all know this is not the worst of what's coming.

The truth. Reflected in the turnout also? I saw an Antrim man getting pelters on this thread a while back. That's where we're headed if things don't change and i don't mean the senior management. You can only play the hand your dealt and hasn't been good for a while.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 31, 2016, 02:14:59 PM
The big counties nowadays develope players. Put the effort in. Is this happening in Down? Or do the county board believe that it just happens on its own. Would Donegal or Mayo have a similar number of players in the county to ourselves? Yet mayo compete year in year out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 31, 2016, 04:56:22 PM
A big positive for me this year is wee james taking the minor team. Hopefully he can get the basis of a decent team together and bring a few lads through.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on January 31, 2016, 06:06:51 PM
Watched last few minor trials, we will be waiting a while for the type of player necessary to cut it at the highest level, oh for a 1991-94 team, big, strong, athletic and ignorant when needed.
Let's not kid ourselves getting to the 2010 A I final was a remarkable achievement given that previous to that we were in Div3, so let's take stock of where we are now,have patience and build for the future, now that the management teams at minor, u21 and senior are in place let's get behind them, we all know management doesn't put a team out to be beaten , players don't take the field to deliberately play badly so let's keep the faith, it's harder than ever to achieve inter county success and the cause isn't helped it we don't get  behind the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on January 31, 2016, 06:09:35 PM
Mayo,donegal,cork,Kerry and Tyrone will all have set out at the start of this year with the hope of winning the all ireland.and if anyone but dublin win it,then it will be one of these teams.the gap between the top teams and the rest is growing bigger every year,and we as a county are among the rest.
  Trying to break into that group will be extremely difficult.a county would have to be getting the absolute most out of its resources,have a few extra special players come along at once and also have a management and county board willing to finance it.donegal managed to win an all ireland when all these things clicked,Mayo have come extremely close.
    Last night was very disappointing but I don't think many teams in the divisions below us would fare that much better.granted it was an especially heavy defeat,but these kinds of results happen every now and again when you are playing a team at a different level.heads can drop and what should be a seven or eight point defeat turns into a whitewash.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on January 31, 2016, 11:02:04 PM
See the U21's won the mc nulty Sheild on Saturday. I haven't seen them play yet. Are there any lads in that team capable of stepping up to the senior panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 01, 2016, 12:22:49 AM
Here goes


Kane-Good keeper in general but his kickouts are killing us.No variation at all on kickouts.Surely someone in the back room team can see we need a kickout strategy

DOH-Good player but got destroyed last night by PMB
Why was he even on him when it was clear to see he had not the physicality to mark him.Would he not have been better following a McHugh

McGovern.First start for Down tried his all against Murphy but not his night
Was very concerned at the start when he followed Murphy out the field.Surely he should have stayed full back.Would you see Rory O Corroll leave the square ??No

Magee.Done well.tried to show energy throughout the game.Will be in burns championship team this year

Hughes.Done well for his first start.Can be worked on.One of the better players

McGoveren.Again tried hard and worn his socks off.Scored a great point but got a black in the end

Boyle.was not in the game at all.His man got on a lot of ball.Can do better but has to up his game if he is to start in future games

Turley.When willDown realise that this man has been tested and has not worked.Was grasping for breath after 10 minutes.Not good enough for county football

Brown.had to fell for him last night.Have we no better players to play midfield UN this county?dropped a ball for seconds goal.does he start for Clonduff.??

Murphy.Kick a few balls away.Was not strong enough on the ball leading to his black card.Needs to show more

Poland .Very disappointing nightt.Doesn't look fit.Lost balls in the tackle 3 times.nit the player we seen years ago.need to step up to the mark.

McKernan.Touched the ball twice in 70 minutes football.Likes to be heard and seen on the pitch without doing anything.If he is our leader then we may all quit.Hasnt got the stomach for the hards games.

Johnstone.Wanted the ball but nothing happened for him.Tried hard but took a knock early on

McConville.Dropped balls that he should have won.Looked very nervous on the ball.needs to do more if he wants to start in future games

O hare.Does nothing from play and now is missing to many frees.Whats his role on the team?Take away free kicks what does he give Down?

Harrison.Needs to start next week.Shows signs that he can make things click

O Hanlon.where do I start?This man is not county standard,Burns needs to show him the door and very soon.

Madine.Need to loose a stone before  we can take him serious

That's my thoughts on the game maybe I am it harsh on players and generous to others

I'm open for criticism here

On another nite it's great to hear that our great hope Mooney was drinking the head of himself last Wednesday night in belfast and did not appear at training on Wednesday night. the reason why he didn't start on Saturday.Can someone for the county board notjump in and sort this mess out.Thats 3 times I heard of indiscipline this year alone and we have only started

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on February 01, 2016, 10:17:36 AM
Too many funboys on the down team. Without naming names Mooney isn't the only one partial to a midweek tipple.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Born Ready on February 01, 2016, 10:31:00 AM
Agree with a lot of them player ratings but think you're harsh on Gerard Mc Govern. For a man marking Murphy on his county debut I thought he was one of few positives on the night limiting Murphys influence from play and towards the end you could see that he'd gotten under Murphys skin slightly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 01, 2016, 11:25:36 AM
It's reasonable to expect some firm criticism after a very disappointing start to the league but naming individuals who are allegedly overweight, lack commitment and take a drink crosses a line. Those comments are essentially personal abuse and should be deleted by either the original poster or the moderators.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mid Down Gael on February 01, 2016, 11:35:58 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 01, 2016, 11:25:36 AM
It's reasonable to expect some firm criticism after a very disappointing start to the league but naming individuals who are allegedly overweight, lack commitment and take a drink crosses a line. Those comments are essentially personal abuse and should be deleted by either the original poster or the moderators.

Well said Mourne Rover.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on February 01, 2016, 11:51:20 AM
Some of the comments are disgraceful.

What gives people the right to come on here and make such personal comments about people they don't even know?

Sure Saturday night was hard to watch and there may be a couple of more games like this to sit through but come the summer if we beat Monaghan then not one of us will give a flying f$ck about what happens in this league campaign. At the minute the new management will be trying out new players and that will take time. A Sunny day in Clones is a world apart from a shitty cold night in Newry. We have four months to try and get a competitive side together for the Championship, there will be a couple of old heads that might come back and then we will have a different side. Donegal have a team of All Ireland winners and Allstars whilst some of the Down lads were making debuts.

Give the new regime time ffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FML on February 01, 2016, 12:10:12 PM
If you are going to throw insults & make the kind of comments above at least have enough balls to put your own name on the post.

That is lower even than the kind of loud mouths who shout rubbish from the stands. At least they don't hide their identity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on February 01, 2016, 02:59:11 PM
There is no point making attacks on individuals with regard to off field antics however, whether they like it or not County players are under the microscope and are well aware of it.

If the rumours of Mooney are true then its a major problem considering he was more than happy to give interviews on both Friday and Saturdays papers about how ambitious he is with Down.

The whole squad should be slapped with a media ban and told to do their talking on the field.

The Squad needs to close up shop, build a tight knit camadarie that won't be undermined by either of field antics or self indulgent interviews that aren't worth the paper they are wrote on.

This year was always going to be tough and a rebuild process is both required and patience to let Eamonn get on with the job is needed.

As supporters we all need to get behind Eamonn and the whole set up but in turn the players need to concentrate on the football and playing for the jersey and forget about the media circus and wanting to be VIPs.

Shut up and Put up or let the new lads at it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 01, 2016, 04:31:06 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 31, 2016, 10:32:28 AM
Monaghan up next weekend so doesnt get much easier, definitely needs to be changes made for that. Really worry we could end up with 0 wins from the league this year. As for next week I'd go with

Kane
O hagan
G Mc Govern
Magee
R Mallon
Carr
Mc Parland
Turley
Mc Kernan
Maginn
R Johnson
Mooney
O Hare
Madine
Doran


Anyword on when Jerome will be back? I'd say one or two from Loughinisland will be called in after the Monaghan game.

ohare got a straight red so you may forget him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 01, 2016, 05:52:12 PM
I said that I thought Gerard McGovern did ok but thought he should have stayed full back allowing Magee to pick up Murphy out the field with McGovern holding the square to use his strength for PMB

What was embarrassing about an interview??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on February 01, 2016, 11:17:40 PM
Any one know the situation regarding some of following players with regards to senior setup;

Michael Cunningham, Kieran Gordan

David McKibbin, James Colgan, Daryl Brannigan, Declan Rooney, Conor Garvey, Kevin Duffin

Niall McParland, Peter Fitzpatrick, Paul Greenan, Shane Harrison

Ross McGarry, Chris Clarke , Robbie White, Caolan Mooney, Paul McComiskey, Paul Devlin, Conor Poland, Conor Maginn, Marty Clarke, Jerome Johnston

Have they been approached or are already involved or are coming into the panel at a later stage? I apologise if any of the players named above have an obvious explanation to their involvement. I am also not that familiar with the Loughinisland boys that could be involved, except for K. Gordan and possibly Dan Gordan but I am fairly sure Dan won't be back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 02, 2016, 07:33:41 AM
Quote from: nearlymad on February 01, 2016, 07:36:21 PM
Quote from: Thastheball on February 01, 2016, 06:41:09 PM
Have to say I am delighted to see Down take that hammering, and hopefully more to come because of the way you treated your last manager. Considering your CB remained practically unchanged suggests the clubs were more and happy with their behaviour. Suck it up you deserve it
As an outsider looking in,I would tend to agree.There appears to a collection of free P type gaa administrators at the top of Down gaa. Their way or no way.McCorry did his own thing and wouldn't by all accounts lick the ar-es he was supposed to although he did mess up in Wexford.A quick return to div2 and a short summer in store. I can speak with some authority being so used to it all in Antrim.
Antrim get a win in the rarified level of Div 4 and you're over here giving us some of your thoughts.Come back when you move up a league or two.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on February 02, 2016, 08:22:30 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on February 01, 2016, 11:17:40 PM
Any one know the situation regarding some of following players with regards to senior setup;

Michael Cunningham, Kieran Gordan

David McKibbin, James Colgan, Daryl Brannigan, Declan Rooney, Conor Garvey, Kevin Duffin

Niall McParland, Peter Fitzpatrick, Paul Greenan, Shane Harrison

Ross McGarry, Chris Clarke , Robbie White, Caolan Mooney, Paul McComiskey, Paul Devlin, Conor Poland, Conor Maginn, Marty Clarke, Jerome Johnston

Have they been approached or are already involved or are coming into the panel at a later stage? I apologise if any of the players named above have an obvious explanation to their involvement. I am also not that familiar with the Loughinisland boys that could be involved, except for K. Gordan and possibly Dan Gordan but I am fairly sure Dan won't be back.

From what I know:
Kieran Gordan - On the panel, sub keeper on Saturday.
James Colgan - Still in New Zeland doing physio?
Daryl Brannigan - Not asked onto the panel.
Peter Fitzpatrick - Heard he's not playing this year as he's building a house. Not sure if true.
Paul Greenan - Moved out to Oz.
Ross McGarry - Not asked onto panel.
Robbie White - Not asked onto panel.
Caolan Mooney - On panel. Disciplined and dropped for Saturday's game.
Paul McComiskey - No interest in football. Not playing regularly for Dundrum.
Conor Poland - Living in London.
Marty Clarke - Playing for Queens, not yet asked onto panel.
Jerome Johnston - On the panel but injured.

Open to correction on the above. No idea about the rest of the lads you've mentioned.

I'd hazard a guess that Jonny Flynn and Rory Mason will be asked on from Loughinisland and possibly Aaron McClements. I'd also be fairly sure Dan isn't going back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 02, 2016, 09:06:34 AM
Well hes hardly gonna come out and say he was on the tear last week & had to leave him out.
Nobody associated with Down should be in the papers at the minute, least not the players.
Read enough oul cr@p from the same boys this last few years to sicken yer hole. Its embarrassing.
If its not Big Arthur, its McKernan, Poland or Mooney. Add in the weekly columns from other fellas and it just makes ye cringe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 02, 2016, 09:53:40 AM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on February 02, 2016, 08:22:30 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on February 01, 2016, 11:17:40 PM
Any one know the situation regarding some of following players with regards to senior setup;

Michael Cunningham, Kieran Gordan

David McKibbin, James Colgan, Daryl Brannigan, Declan Rooney, Conor Garvey, Kevin Duffin

Niall McParland, Peter Fitzpatrick, Paul Greenan, Shane Harrison

Ross McGarry, Chris Clarke , Robbie White, Caolan Mooney, Paul McComiskey, Paul Devlin, Conor Poland, Conor Maginn, Marty Clarke, Jerome Johnston

Have they been approached or are already involved or are coming into the panel at a later stage? I apologise if any of the players named above have an obvious explanation to their involvement. I am also not that familiar with the Loughinisland boys that could be involved, except for K. Gordan and possibly Dan Gordan but I am fairly sure Dan won't be back.

From what I know:
Kieran Gordan - On the panel, sub keeper on Saturday.
James Colgan - Still in New Zeland doing physio?
Daryl Brannigan - Not asked onto the panel.
Peter Fitzpatrick - Heard he's not playing this year as he's building a house. Not sure if true.
Paul Greenan - Moved out to Oz.
Ross McGarry - Not asked onto panel.
Robbie White - Not asked onto panel.
Caolan Mooney - On panel. Disciplined and dropped for Saturday's game.
Paul McComiskey - No interest in football. Not playing regularly for Dundrum.
Conor Poland - Living in London.
Marty Clarke - Playing for Queens, not yet asked onto panel.
Jerome Johnston - On the panel but injured.

Open to correction on the above. No idea about the rest of the lads you've mentioned.

I'd hazard a guess that Jonny Flynn and Rory Mason will be asked on from Loughinisland and possibly Aaron McClements. I'd also be fairly sure Dan isn't going back.

:)
Still playing for Dundrum. Was out injured for majority of last year.
But sure why let the truth get in the way of a bit of sensationalism.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on February 02, 2016, 10:14:53 AM
Sensationalism?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on February 02, 2016, 02:41:00 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on February 02, 2016, 09:06:34 AM
Well hes hardly gonna come out and say he was on the tear last week & had to leave him out.
Nobody associated with Down should be in the papers at the minute, least not the players.
Read enough oul cr@p from the same boys this last few years to sicken yer hole. Its embarrassing.
If its not Big Arthur, its McKernan, Poland or Mooney. Add in the weekly columns from other fellas and it just makes ye cringe.


Its not the players fault to be fair.

Up until a couple of days ago Brick I would have agreed with you as it became a particular gripe of mine but in defence of the players its the stupid same questions being asked by reporters over and over. I was/am sick of the same "everything is great this could be our year nonsense" but I watched an interview recently and came to the conclusion of what else can players say?

All interviews seem to go like this:

Reporter: So you have a new manager what has he brought to the panel?

Player: Ah he's been great, he's a great talker and he's brought a different approach to the whole set-up, I really like what he's got to say so far.

Actual answer should/could be: I don't know yet he's only been here five minutes but he's brought a different approach because he's not an actual clone of our previous manger. He's a decent talker I suppose because he wouldn't be in management if he was a wee bit shy around the boys here. To be honest ask me after the summer.


Reporter: So, the new manager has brought in some new faces, how are they getting on ?

Player: They've been great so far and have brought in a freshness. They are pushing the older fellas really hard and places are going to be hard to come by.

Actual answer should/could be: Ah well a new manager, new players, its hardly a surprise. To be honest most of them probably won't be here in the summer but at this time of year the squad is a wee bit thin. They'll probably need to get some of those younger ones onto a weights programme they are far too light.


Reporter: So, you are in division 1 this year and a lot of people are writing yous off?

Player: Yeah well we got promoted on merit last year and earned the right to be here, there's lots of good players in Down you know and we are feeling optimistic about getting a result against whoever in the next match.

Actual Answer should/could be: Yeah, well we couldn't beat Wexford last year so I can see how people maybe think we will struggle against the likes of Kerry and Dublin. People say we have good footballers in the county but if you ask someone from Sligo are there any good footballers in Sligo then they'll tell you yes indeed there are. 

Reporter: Whats the spirit like in the camp?

Player: Well its great, it hasn't been better everyone is getting on really well.

Actual answer should/could be: Not great there are too many off playing university football at the minute and sure it hasn't been the same craic since your big fella that told all the jokes has left the panel. We aren't allowed to drink pints anymore and that doesn't help.

Reporter: You hav'nt won an Ulster title in a while how do you see your chances in the summer?

Player: Well we are all confident we can bring an Ulster title back here, its been far too long now but there are a lot of good players in this county.

Actual answer should/could be: Really, we hav'nt won an Ulster title in a while? No shit, we'd love to win an Ulster title in fact I'd give my right arm for one but ask me in the fu&king summer its still snowing here!   





The players will always be optimistic about winning matches and titles as that's what they train for. Any negativity in an interview would be damaging to the player and maybe even the panel.  They get asked the same questions over and over and then the answer becomes a headline 'Down player says this can be the year'  'Down player says Down can do well in division 1'

Its not just in Down, but how many headlines or article have you seen that say "new faces in Donegal/Dublin/Kerry bring a freshness" ?

The only alternative is to ban the players from making interviews which is hardly fair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 02, 2016, 10:31:51 PM
Great post there by A MAN FROM DOWN
Anyway what's the feelings for Sunday
Kane
O hagen
McGovern
Magee
Hughes
Mckernan
McGovern
McKay
Mallon
Murphy
Harrison
Johnstone if fit
Madine
Poland
McConville

What can we lose here
Stick 2 big men in the square and let Poland feed off them.Win the ball around the middle and get it in first time.If it does not work well at least it was tried
Probably harsh on Aidan Carr and Ryan Boyle here being left out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on February 02, 2016, 10:41:07 PM
This is some site,full of would be comedians, sprinkled with a few doom and gloom merchants.Wake up lads we all know this season is going to be difficult, like it or not we are in Div 1 and face a hard league campaign followed by an equally difficult championship, so as the manager would say, suck it up lads and let's get on with it, we will have the pleasure of the odd good result and maybe the unearthing of some new young talent  so keep the faith
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 02, 2016, 10:55:17 PM
Cut the crap it's a discussion board after all
We are here to discuss all things Down and give an opinion
Yes it's going to be a rough year but why cabt we compete with Roscommon and Monaghan and beat 1 of the other big 4
Would like to see the wobblers preferred team selection for Sunday as he talks a lot of sense
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 03, 2016, 08:24:10 AM
Not you ya fool the original wobbler from the harps
I would not listen to a word you say
Any thoughts on team selection this weekend lads?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on February 03, 2016, 08:30:41 AM
 why cabt we compete with Roscommon and Monaghan and beat 1 of the other big 4

are you for real? what over the past number of years would indicate to you that we be capable of beating a top four team? come on now, we need to be realistic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 03, 2016, 08:42:58 AM
I am not for one second saying we can beat a top 4 in championship football but it is possible in league football.If Kerry take a shadow team to Newry in a few weeks team we have a chance.Yes a Kerry shadow team is probably better than our first team but if we play to our max and Kerry under perform we could get a result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on February 03, 2016, 10:20:39 AM
smurfy you are a clown and all you do on here is talk pure shite about half the players in the county, you must have been/must be some footballer? :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 03, 2016, 10:38:25 AM
It's an opinion that I'm giving
Is it not a discussion board?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 03, 2016, 11:48:28 AM
Thanks for hoisting me on a pedestal Smurf, but as there's a number of lads on the panel that I've never actually seen kick a ball in the flesh, my days of bar stool formations are at and end (well, temporarily anyhow).

Main observations for me from Saturday night was that when Johnston and Murphy went off, our energy levels fell flat on the ground, while the halfback line and midfield left horrendous holes from that time on. It's early days, but if we don't have a handful of top county standard runners, then absolutely have no choice but to protect the D at all costs. If that means 8 men in two banks of 4 either side of the 21, who never cross the 45, then so be it. Let the opposition have the ball all they want at midfield, but make them work for every score. We need to make sure the opposition is frustrated, not our own team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 03, 2016, 12:57:05 PM
Sumrfy the main problem with your team is that Madine and McConville are not very mobile. But otherwise I agree with you. Gaelic football goes through phases and fads. Currently the fad is two men upfront by themselves. Quite frankly it isn't working for us. I think your idea of two big men up front and a couple of fast runners coming through is a very good idea. Unfortunately our two big men available are not great.

I am more worried about the overall approach. There is no ambition or effort to break through the line to receive a pass. If a player can't run past his marker he turns and plays it back. No one is running off his shoulder into space. Secondly we totally ignored the massive wide open space of the pitch right hand side. Simply no one ran into it nor attacked it. After Magee made a few good runs to half way there was no one calling for a pass or moving in front of him.

In all honesty it was like watching school boys - Sure what do you expect me to be doing, the ball isn't near me right now!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on February 03, 2016, 01:36:04 PM
I hear big John Caldwell has got a transfer to Ballymartin from the bridge? Any truth in this? Think he would be a great add to the ballymartin side with his pace, strength and catching ability.. Also a great lad who will be badly missed by the bridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on February 03, 2016, 01:36:36 PM
Mooney's hamstring must still be in Belfast after last week... along with his jaw... unreal prospect  8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 03, 2016, 01:46:24 PM
Yes agree pauld not hitting the wings like small teams should
It's very hard to break a tackle down the centre of the pitch as the amount of bodies in that area can't be greater that what is expected to be on the wings
Play with width and make the opposing team open up it's defence and that gives our smaller players a chance to be left 1v1
Imagine Poland O Hare Laverty Maginn Mooney going up against say Wylie 1v1
Great point also the wobbler
Murphy and Johnstone although they made mistakes they were adding energy in the first 20 minutes.
Did either Johnstone play Sigerson yesterday???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on February 04, 2016, 11:25:36 AM
Anyone able to locate the club league fixtures on our great county website?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on February 04, 2016, 11:28:23 AM
Quote from: knockitdown on February 04, 2016, 11:25:36 AM
Anyone able to locate the club league fixtures on our great county website?

They are being released tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiffler on February 05, 2016, 09:02:31 PM
Any minors teams interested in friendlies send me a pm.

Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on February 05, 2016, 11:14:37 PM
Division 1

Round 1        08/04/2016    18:45
Burren    v    Bryansford   
Castlewellan    v    Saval   
Cumann Pheadair Naofa    v    Clonduff   
Mayobridge    v    Glenn   
Ballyholland    v    Kilcoo   
Longstone    v    Ballymartin   
           
Round 2        11/04/2016    19:00
Ballymartin    v    Burren   
Bryansford    v    Ballyholland   
Kilcoo    v    Mayobridge   
Glenn    v    Cumann Pheadair Naofa   
Clonduff    v    Castlewellan   
Saval    v    Longstone   
           
Round 3        15/04/2016    19:00
Ballyholland    v    Burren   
Longstone    v    Clonduff   
Saval    v    Ballymartin   
Castlewellan    v    Glenn   
Mayobridge    v    Bryansford   
Cumann Pheadair Naofa    v    Kilcoo   
           
Round 4        22/04/2016    19:00
Ballymartin    v    Ballyholland   
Clonduff    v    Saval   
Bryansford    v    Cumann Pheadair Naofa   
Glenn    v    Longstone   
Kilcoo    v    Castlewellan   
Burren    v    Mayobridge   
           
Round 5        25/04/2016    19:00
Mayobridge    v    Ballyholland   
Ballymartin    v    Clonduff   
Longstone    v    Kilcoo   
Cumann Pheadair Naofa    v    Burren   
Saval    v    Glenn   
Castlewellan    v    Bryansford   
           
Round 6        29/04/2016    19:15
Burren    v    Castlewellan   
Ballyholland    v    Cumann Pheadair Naofa   
Glenn    v    Clonduff   
Kilcoo    v    Saval   
Ballymartin    v    Mayobridge   
Bryansford    v    Longstone   
           
Round 7        06/05/2016    19:30
Longstone    v    Burren   
Cumann Pheadair Naofa    v    Mayobridge   
Castlewellan    v    Ballyholland   
Saval    v    Bryansford   
Clonduff    v    Kilcoo   
Glenn    v    Ballymartin   
           
Round 8        09/05/2016    19:30
Bryansford    v    Clonduff   
Kilcoo    v    Glenn   
Ballyholland    v    Longstone   
Mayobridge    v    Castlewellan   
Burren    v    Saval   
Cumann Pheadair Naofa    v    Ballymartin   
           
Round 9        13/05/2016    19:30
Castlewellan    v    Cumann Pheadair Naofa   
Glenn    v    Bryansford   
Ballymartin    v    Kilcoo   
Longstone    v    Mayobridge   
Saval    v    Ballyholland   
Clonduff    v    Burren   
           
Round 10        20/05/2016    19:30
Cumann Pheadair Naofa    v    Longstone   
Castlewellan    v    Ballymartin   
Mayobridge    v    Saval   
Ballyholland    v    Clonduff   
Burren    v    Glenn   
Bryansford    v    Kilcoo   
           
Round 11        27/05/2016    19:30
Bryansford    v    Ballymartin   
Longstone    v    Castlewellan   
Saval    v    Cumann Pheadair Naofa   
Clonduff    v    Mayobridge   
Kilcoo    v    Burren   
Glenn    v    Ballyholland   
           
Round 12        10/06/2016    19:30
Bryansford    v    Burren   
Kilcoo    v    Ballyholland   
Glenn    v    Mayobridge   
Clonduff    v    Cumann Pheadair Naofa   
Saval    v    Castlewellan   
Ballymartin    v    Longstone   
           
Round 13        17/06/2016    19:30
Ballyholland    v    Bryansford   
Mayobridge    v    Kilcoo   
Cumann Pheadair Naofa    v    Glenn   
Castlewellan    v    Clonduff   
Longstone    v    Saval   
Burren    v    Ballymartin   
           
Round 14        24/06/2016    19:30
Burren    v    Ballyholland   
Bryansford    v    Mayobridge   
Clonduff    v    Longstone   
Ballymartin    v    Saval   
Glenn    v    Castlewellan   
Kilcoo    v    Cumann Pheadair Naofa   
           
Round 15        01/07/2016    19:30
Ballyholland    v    Ballymartin   
Longstone    v    Glenn   
Castlewellan    v    Kilcoo   
Cumann Pheadair Naofa    v    Bryansford   
Mayobridge    v    Burren   
Saval    v    Clonduff   
           
Round 16        08/07/2016    19:30
Ballyholland    v    Mayobridge   
Clonduff    v    Ballymartin   
Kilcoo    v    Longstone   
Glenn    v    Saval   
Burren    v    Cumann Pheadair Naofa   
Bryansford    v    Castlewellan   
           
Round 17        22/07/2016    19:30
Clonduff    v    Glenn   
Saval    v    Kilcoo   
Castlewellan    v    Burren   
Cumann Pheadair Naofa    v    Ballyholland   
Mayobridge    v    Ballymartin   
Longstone    v    Bryansford   
           
Round 18        19/08/2016    19:30
Mayobridge    v    Cumann Pheadair Naofa   
Ballymartin    v    Glenn   
Bryansford    v    Saval   
Kilcoo    v    Clonduff   
Burren    v    Longstone   
Ballyholland    v    Castlewellan   
           
Round 19        02/09/2016    19:30
Glenn    v    Kilcoo   
Clonduff    v    Bryansford   
Saval    v    Burren   
Longstone    v    Ballyholland   
Castlewellan    v    Mayobridge   
Ballymartin    v    Cumann Pheadair Naofa   
           
Round 20        16/09/2016    19:30
Kilcoo    v    Ballymartin   
Burren    v    Clonduff   
Ballyholland    v    Saval   
Mayobridge    v    Longstone   
Cumann Pheadair Naofa    v    Castlewellan   
Bryansford    v    Glenn   
           
Round 21        01/10/2016    16:00
Clonduff    v    Ballyholland   
Saval    v    Mayobridge   
Longstone    v    Cumann Pheadair Naofa   
Kilcoo    v    Bryansford   
Ballymartin    v    Castlewellan   
Glenn    v    Burren   
           
Round 22        08/10/2016    16:00
Castlewellan    v    Longstone   
Cumann Pheadair Naofa    v    Saval   
Mayobridge    v    Clonduff   
Ballymartin    v    Bryansford   
Ballyholland    v    Glenn   
Burren    v    Kilcoo



Division 2

Round 1        08/04/2016    18:45
Carryduff    v    St John's Drumnaquoile   
Rostrevor    v    Annaclone   
Liatroim    v    Clann na Banna   
Darragh Cross    v    Tullylish   
Bredagh    v    An Riocht   
Loughinisland    v    RGU Downpatrick   
           
Round 2        11/04/2016    19:00
An Riocht    v    Carryduff   
Clann na Banna    v    Darragh Cross   
RGU Downpatrick    v    Rostrevor   
St John's Drumnaquoile    v    Loughinisland   
Annaclone    v    Liatroim   
Tullylish    v    Bredagh   
           
Round 3        15/04/2016    19:00
Rostrevor    v    Loughinisland   
Carryduff    v    Tullylish   
Darragh Cross    v    Annaclone   
Bredagh    v    Clann na Banna   
An Riocht    v    St John's Drumnaquoile   
Liatroim    v    RGU Downpatrick   
           
Round 4        22/04/2016    19:00
Clann na Banna    v    Carryduff   
Tullylish    v    An Riocht   
Loughinisland    v    Liatroim   
RGU Downpatrick    v    Darragh Cross   
Annaclone    v    Bredagh   
St John's Drumnaquoile    v    Rostrevor   
           
Round 5        25/04/2016    19:15
An Riocht    v    Clann na Banna   
Darragh Cross    v    Loughinisland   
Liatroim    v    Rostrevor   
Carryduff    v    Annaclone   
Bredagh    v    RGU Downpatrick   
St John's Drumnaquoile    v    Tullylish   
           
Round 6        29/04/2016    19:15
St John's Drumnaquoile    v    Liatroim   
Loughinisland    v    Bredagh   
Clann na Banna    v    Tullylish   
Annaclone    v    An Riocht   
Rostrevor    v    Darragh Cross   
RGU Downpatrick    v    Carryduff   
           
Round 7        06/05/2016    19:30
Bredagh    v    Rostrevor   
An Riocht    v    RGU Downpatrick   
Carryduff    v    Loughinisland   
Tullylish    v    Annaclone   
Darragh Cross    v    Liatroim   
Clann na Banna    v    St John's Drumnaquoile   
           
Round 8        09/05/2016    19:30
Loughinisland    v    An Riocht   
RGU Downpatrick    v    Tullylish   
Darragh Cross    v    St John's Drumnaquoile   
Liatroim    v    Bredagh   
Annaclone    v    Clann na Banna   
Rostrevor    v    Carryduff   
           
Round 9        13/05/2016    19:30
Carryduff    v    Liatroim   
An Riocht    v    Rostrevor   
Bredagh    v    Darragh Cross   
St John's Drumnaquoile    v    Annaclone   
Tullylish    v    Loughinisland   
Clann na Banna    v    RGU Downpatrick   
           
Round 10        20/05/2016    19:30
Bredagh    v    St John's Drumnaquoile   
Loughinisland    v    Clann na Banna   
Rostrevor    v    Tullylish   
Liatroim    v    An Riocht   
Darragh Cross    v    Carryduff   
RGU Downpatrick    v    Annaclone   
           
Round 11        27/05/2016    19:30
Tullylish    v    Liatroim   
Clann na Banna    v    Rostrevor   
Annaclone    v    Loughinisland   
RGU Downpatrick    v    St John's Drumnaquoile   
Carryduff    v    Bredagh   
An Riocht    v    Darragh Cross   
           
Round 12        10/06/2016    19:30
Tullylish    v    Darragh Cross   
RGU Downpatrick    v    Loughinisland   
Clann na Banna    v    Liatroim   
An Riocht    v    Bredagh   
St John's Drumnaquoile    v    Carryduff   
Annaclone    v    Rostrevor   
           
Round 13        17/06/2016    19:30
Liatroim    v    Annaclone   
Bredagh    v    Tullylish   
Carryduff    v    An Riocht   
Loughinisland    v    St John's Drumnaquoile   
Rostrevor    v    RGU Downpatrick   
Darragh Cross    v    Clann na Banna   
           
Round 14        24/06/2016    19:30
Tullylish    v    Carryduff   
RGU Downpatrick    v    Liatroim   
Annaclone    v    Darragh Cross   
Clann na Banna    v    Bredagh   
St John's Drumnaquoile    v    An Riocht   
Loughinisland    v    Rostrevor   
           
Round 15        01/07/2016    19:30
An Riocht    v    Tullylish   
Carryduff    v    Clann na Banna   
Bredagh    v    Annaclone   
Darragh Cross    v    RGU Downpatrick   
Liatroim    v    Loughinisland   
Rostrevor    v    St John's Drumnaquoile   
           
Round 16        08/07/2016    19:30
Clann na Banna    v    An Riocht   
Tullylish    v    St John's Drumnaquoile   
Rostrevor    v    Liatroim   
Annaclone    v    Carryduff   
RGU Downpatrick    v    Bredagh   
Loughinisland    v    Darragh Cross   
           
Round 17        22/07/2016    19:30
Carryduff    v    RGU Downpatrick   
Liatroim    v    St John's Drumnaquoile   
Bredagh    v    Loughinisland   
Tullylish    v    Clann na Banna   
An Riocht    v    Annaclone   
Darragh Cross    v    Rostrevor   
           
Round 18        19/08/2016    19:30
St John's Drumnaquoile    v    Clann na Banna   
RGU Downpatrick    v    An Riocht   
Annaclone    v    Tullylish   
Loughinisland    v    Carryduff   
Rostrevor    v    Bredagh   
Liatroim    v    Darragh Cross   
           
Round 19        02/09/2016    19:15
St John's Drumnaquoile    v    Darragh Cross   
Bredagh    v    Liatroim   
Carryduff    v    Rostrevor   
An Riocht    v    Loughinisland   
Tullylish    v    RGU Downpatrick   
Clann na Banna    v    Annaclone   
           
Round 20        16/09/2016    19:00
Annaclone    v    St John's Drumnaquoile   
Liatroim    v    Carryduff   
Loughinisland    v    Tullylish   
Rostrevor    v    An Riocht   
RGU Downpatrick    v    Clann na Banna   
Darragh Cross    v    Bredagh   
           
Round 21        01/10/2016    16:00
St John's Drumnaquoile    v    Bredagh   
Clann na Banna    v    Loughinisland   
Tullylish    v    Rostrevor   
An Riocht    v    Liatroim   
Carryduff    v    Darragh Cross   
Annaclone    v    RGU Downpatrick   
           
Round 22        08/10/2016    16:00
Bredagh    v    Carryduff   
Rostrevor    v    Clann na Banna   
St John's Drumnaquoile    v    RGU Downpatrick   
Liatroim    v    Tullylish   
Darragh Cross    v    An Riocht   
Loughinisland    v    Annaclone       
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on February 05, 2016, 11:25:00 PM
Unbelievable the same midfield named for Sunday!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on February 05, 2016, 11:39:46 PM
Stephen Kane, Ryan Boyle, Gerard Mc Govern, Malachy Magee, Michael Hughes, Aidan Carr, Darragh O'Hanlon, Peter Turley, Henry Brown, Joe Murphy, Mark Poland, Kevin Mc Kernan, Conail Mc Govern, Connaire Harrison, Shay Mc Ardle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 06, 2016, 12:14:24 AM
It is a team which not many would have predicted but it is still an early season game when we are still assessing our squad. Harrison is likely to find himself alone in the Monaghan half for lengthy periods, so hopefully he will not be left totally isolated. It is surprising that Mallon and Madine have been left on the bench as we pretty obviously need a little more strength in the central positions. Brown struggled last week but it is reasonable to give him at least a second run out. O'Hanlon also made little impact against Donegal so he needs to demonstrate that he can compete at this level. As Paddy Power lists us at 1/25 for relegation, we can say that the pressure of expectation should not be unduly high. However, some form of reaction to the Donegal debacle is the minimum we are entitled to expect.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 07, 2016, 03:50:58 PM
Lost 13-11.Much better performance than last Sat.Clones is a kip
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 07, 2016, 08:12:07 PM
Well as an experienced commentator in our company said, last week we looked like a Division 4 team, this week we looked like a Division 2 team. Monaghan will be wondering how the 7 minutes of injury time were a sweat for them when they were by far the better team yet there was a bit of pride in the red and black that I haven't seen since Celtic Park.Still not sure about the new management team but things were better and the Substitutes brought something to the party. Stevie Kane lost the plot a couple of times and the previous comments about his kick outs still apply. I like the look of Gerard McGovern and Conaill is a good un too.Magee was reasonable but I don't know what putting him at full forward was about. Peter Turley was our best player and big Henry is definitely one for the future. Our captain was better but has so much more while poly was much better until that dirty get Walsh took him out and Reilly hardly said a word to him. Joe Murphy put in a good shift, Shay McArdle was good and Harrison was very good.All the subs were good, especially Ryan Mallon. Let's face it-we're going down, but its critical that we do so with pride.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on February 07, 2016, 09:33:32 PM
Peter turley of saval died according to twotter :( i remember watching him for queens. Awful news.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 07, 2016, 10:07:39 PM

Down displayed a fair amount of character today, as, without ever playing particularly well, we battled for everything against a vastly experienced Monaghan side and had them hanging on anxiously at the end.

While it was a performance with plenty of flaws, and there can be little doubt that we are heading back to D2, the squad can look each other in the eye and say they put in a proper shift, which simply did not happen last week.

Our biggest concern was Kane, who was probably our best player overall last season, but had a tough day in nets today. His kick-outs, which are not his strength, disintegrated in the rain and the moment  when he set off on a solo run and passed straight to Conor McManus summed things up.

We were much improved defensively, with the two McGoverns looking solid, and our midfield, despite the erratic kick-outs, had some decent phases, with Brown's confidence growing and Turley as competitive as ever.

Our forwards had to survive on limited possession but Harrison and Murphy are starting to settle in well and McArdle had a reasonable debut. The injury to Poland was a worry, as he was getting back to his best form.

All the subs did well, another contrast to last week, and Howard and Mallon must be very close to starting the next day. The Kerry game, three weeks from today, will be quite a test, but their start to the league has been pretty uncertain as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 08, 2016, 08:01:35 AM
RIP Peter.A big loss for all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 08, 2016, 12:00:06 PM
Terribly sad news about Peter Turley.
An absolute gent. One of the good guys.
RIP Buddy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on February 08, 2016, 01:15:02 PM
Downs best 15 that there could be: (when everyone Available)
1. Kane
2.Ohagan
3. G.McGovern
4.Howard
5. CMcGovern
6. Benny Mcardle
7. Gavrey?
8. Big Dan
9.Mckernan
10. Ryan Johnston
11.Clarke
12.Mooney
13.j.Johnston
14.RUSHE
15.O'Hare

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on February 08, 2016, 06:23:28 PM
If you were at yesterday's game you wouldn't have Kane or Mc Kernan on that team.  My verdict is still a long way off on Mooney starting on any team as for Rushe are you serious ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 08, 2016, 08:41:45 PM
Agree with NP, are you basing Mooney on his form for St Colemans? Tiernan Rushe, you are either on the wind up, drunk or just an edjit !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on February 08, 2016, 09:00:38 PM
Sorry. I meant to say Mcgarry, got completely mixed up between him and Rushe... Although, in reply to NP.. Mckernan will clearly start, he's been the best player in recent Ulster championship games. It's only feburary
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on February 08, 2016, 09:09:12 PM
white goodman..... do you not rate rushe?? still only 18 in the end of the day
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 08, 2016, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on February 08, 2016, 09:00:38 PM
Sorry. I meant to say Mcgarry, got completely mixed up between him and Rushe... Although, in reply to NP.. Mckernan will clearly start, he's been the best player in recent Ulster championship games. It's only feburary
clowry13, you wanted Rushe on the panel before Christmas (is he still devoted to Ballyholland and GAA or is he in soccer mode these months?)Last season you said McGarry hadn't done it in Div2 last year so how does he merit inclusion now when there has been no football recently?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on February 08, 2016, 09:12:11 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 08, 2016, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on February 08, 2016, 09:00:38 PM
Sorry. I meant to say Mcgarry, got completely mixed up between him and Rushe... Although, in reply to NP.. Mckernan will clearly start, he's been the best player in recent Ulster championship games. It's only feburary
clowry13, you wanted Rushe on the panel before Christmas (is he still devoted to Ballyholland and GAA or is he in soccer mode these months?)Last season you said McGarry hadn't done it in Div2 last year so how does he merit inclusion now when there has been no football recently?

No rosskarr he's still devoted to Ballyholland and also his county under 21's 'these months' ya wankbag. Hasn't kicked a soccer ball in 2 years either, shows how much you really know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on February 08, 2016, 09:16:48 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 08, 2016, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on February 08, 2016, 09:00:38 PM
Sorry. I meant to say Mcgarry, got completely mixed up between him and Rushe... Although, in reply to NP.. Mckernan will clearly start, he's been the best player in recent Ulster championship games. It's only feburary
clowry13, you wanted Rushe on the panel before Christmas (is he still devoted to Ballyholland and GAA or is he in soccer mode these months?)Last season you said McGarry hadn't done it in Div2 last year so how does he merit inclusion now when there has been no football recently?
Ross karr, I see huge potential in Rushe, how come the likes of Tyrone and Derry have teenage boys in their panel but down don't give young players the opportunity.
Tyrone have David mulgrew starting McKenna cups games and he's only 18. Where as Derry have 18 year old jack Doherty in there camp.
In relation to Mcgarry, I thought he hadn't proved himself in division 1 12 months ago but my perception has changed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 08, 2016, 09:46:14 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on February 08, 2016, 09:16:48 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 08, 2016, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on February 08, 2016, 09:00:38 PM
Sorry. I meant to say Mcgarry, got completely mixed up between him and Rushe... Although, in reply to NP.. Mckernan will clearly start, he's been the best player in recent Ulster championship games. It's only feburary
clowry13, you wanted Rushe on the panel before Christmas (is he still devoted to Ballyholland and GAA or is he in soccer mode these months?)Last season you said McGarry hadn't done it in Div2 last year so how does he merit inclusion now when there has been no football recently?
Ross karr, I see huge potential in Rushe, how come the likes of Tyrone and Derry have teenage boys in their panel but down don't give young players the opportunity.
Tyrone have David mulgrew starting McKenna cups games and he's only 18. Where as Derry have 18 year old jack Doherty in there camp.
In relation to Mcgarry, I thought he hadn't proved himself in division 1 12 months ago but my perception has changed
Just that I disagree but time will tell.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 08, 2016, 09:48:02 PM
Quote from: TooLongRef on February 08, 2016, 09:12:11 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 08, 2016, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on February 08, 2016, 09:00:38 PM
Sorry. I meant to say Mcgarry, got completely mixed up between him and Rushe... Although, in reply to NP.. Mckernan will clearly start, he's been the best player in recent Ulster championship games. It's only feburary
clowry13, you wanted Rushe on the panel before Christmas (is he still devoted to Ballyholland and GAA or is he in soccer mode these months?)Last season you said McGarry hadn't done it in Div2 last year so how does he merit inclusion now when there has been no football recently?

No rosskarr he's still devoted to Ballyholland and also his county under 21's 'these months' ya wankbag. Hasn't kicked a soccer ball in 2 years either, shows how much you really know.
Is it not bedtime up in the Hills?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on February 09, 2016, 12:09:08 AM
New to this discussion board. Been at the previous two games and must say Down were much better against Monaghan even in defeat with certain individuals doing much better all over the pitch. Was impressed with the way the midfield bounced back even with all the criticism they took from certain individuals on this who's comments where disgusting. Think we all need to realise that it's a work in progress and it's not going to happen overnight. Also in light of the 17 point defeat in newry last week, the way Donegal dismantled Cork yesterday might suggest that Donegal are a few steps ahead in their preparation than other division 1 teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 09, 2016, 11:10:47 AM
I agree with an earlier comment about the best Tyrone schoolboys immediately being brought into senior training. By the time they were 22-23 years old Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly, Darren McCurry, Ronan O'Neill, Connor McAliskey, Connor Clarke, had all played with the squad for 3-4 seasons and were experienced county players.

We seem to have a trend of waiting until players are 22-23 before even giving them their debuts, so they are not experienced until a few years later when in fact they should be at their peak. A prime example is Ross McGarry, star forward for St Colmans and our All-Ireland semifinalists minors in 2009, wasn't brought into the county squad till last year then dropped this year.

Ross is just one example other people at other clubs will have similar stories to tell. So is it any wonder with a team of lads in their early twenties that it is a raw "work in progress" when it should be a work of refinement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 09, 2016, 12:09:55 PM
There is always going to be a debate about the best time to bring in young recruits to county football but most of the Tyrone players PaulD mentions were introduced via the u21s rather than the minors. The last time Down brought a minor into a senior team was probably Benny Coulter in 2000, and many people would say that Benny played too much rather than too little football in his early days. Ross McGarry is a talented forward but he is very much on the small side and promoting him straight from the minors into the senior county squad would simply not have worked. Even today, Eamonn Burns appears to have decided not unreasonably that he needs to use bigger and stronger options in our attack at this stage.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on February 09, 2016, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 09, 2016, 12:09:55 PM
There is always going to be a debate about the best time to bring in young recruits to county football but most of the Tyrone players PaulD mentions were introduced via the u21s rather than the minors. The last time Down brought a minor into a senior team was probably Benny Coulter in 2000, and many people would say that Benny played too much rather than too little football in his early days. Ross McGarry is a talented forward but he is very much on the small side and promoting him straight from the minors into the senior county squad would simply not have worked. Even today, Eamonn Burns appears to have decided not unreasonably that he needs to use bigger and stronger options in our attack at this stage.
we simply don't have big and stronger options in our attack though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on February 09, 2016, 02:41:03 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on February 09, 2016, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 09, 2016, 12:09:55 PM
There is always going to be a debate about the best time to bring in young recruits to county football but most of the Tyrone players PaulD mentions were introduced via the u21s rather than the minors. The last time Down brought a minor into a senior team was probably Benny Coulter in 2000, and many people would say that Benny played too much rather than too little football in his early days. Ross McGarry is a talented forward but he is very much on the small side and promoting him straight from the minors into the senior county squad would simply not have worked. Even today, Eamonn Burns appears to have decided not unreasonably that he needs to use bigger and stronger options in our attack at this stage.
we simply don't have big and stronger options in our attack though.

I think we should bring Anthony Devlin in, he has power, speed, experience, and can kick off both feet, plus hes on the healthier side of 15 stone, we could do with someone with his physicality
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on February 09, 2016, 10:20:19 PM
Quote from: TooLongRef on February 09, 2016, 02:41:03 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on February 09, 2016, 02:31:28 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 09, 2016, 12:09:55 PM
There is always going to be a debate about the best time to bring in young recruits to county football but most of the Tyrone players PaulD mentions were introduced via the u21s rather than the minors. The last time Down brought a minor into a senior team was probably Benny Coulter in 2000, and many people would say that Benny played too much rather than too little football in his early days. Ross McGarry is a talented forward but he is very much on the small side and promoting him straight from the minors into the senior county squad would simply not have worked. Even today, Eamonn Burns appears to have decided not unreasonably that he needs to use bigger and stronger options in our attack at this stage.
we simply don't have big and stronger options in our attack though.

I think we should bring Anthony Devlin in, he has power, speed, experience, and can kick off both feet, plus hes on the healthier side of 15 stone, we could do with someone with his physicality

I disagree TooLongRef. Devlin has been a great player but I believe Down should look elsewhere. Niall McKevitt from ballyholland could be an option.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 09, 2016, 10:33:53 PM
I could be wrong but I think and hope he was on the wind up about Devlin🤔
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on February 09, 2016, 10:34:52 PM
Anthony Devlin - you're having a laff
What about bringing in ET McGivern ex Point player who is probably slightly lighter than AD
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: C Carr on February 09, 2016, 10:36:39 PM
What's this about the johnston brothers taking up dodgeball? Although it will suit them for reaction and timing but a sport like that! C'mon has to be some sort of catch in this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on February 09, 2016, 10:40:04 PM
C Carr let's take this chat serious and take your tripe elsewhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 10, 2016, 07:06:49 PM
See Jerome made his comeback from injury today as 2nd half sub for St Marys, and Ryan also played, good news for Down having him back..      hopefully both will be fit enough to be considered for Kerry game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 11, 2016, 09:22:22 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 09, 2016, 12:09:55 PM
There is always going to be a debate about the best time to bring in young recruits to county football but most of the Tyrone players PaulD mentions were introduced via the u21s rather than the minors. The last time Down brought a minor into a senior team was probably Benny Coulter in 2000....

I don't think that's completely right MR. Yes all those Tyrone players did play a full stint of U21's but they also had experience in the county senior setup. Certainly O'Neill, Harte, and Donnelly wore a county senior shirt as teenagers. Connor Clarke may have been just 20 on his debut, but Kyle Coney, Ronan McNabb and Paddy McNeice were all in the senior setup as teenagers. And by the end of the U21s were fully developed county players.

If it wasn't for Jerome Jonston Snr, the two Johnston brothers may only now be starting to get chances in our senior team. But thanks to his influence they both now have a few years championship experience behind them and we are able to look to them as the new young leaders of the team. How could we ask that of them if they had only played a couple of halfs of McKenna cup football up to the age of 21-22?

By the way the last player taken straight from minors was Caolan Mooney, who's debut was pretty good. Too bad his re-integration isn't going as well as Marty's did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 11, 2016, 09:24:03 AM
By the way I see Niall McParland was also playing fro St Marys against UUJ. I'd really like to see him back in the senior setup
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 13, 2016, 03:00:09 PM
with Queens and St Marys eliminated from Sigersson hopefully a few more players back in the fold. Marty Clarke being a key addition if it happens.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on February 15, 2016, 09:44:19 AM
Sean O'g looking to see if the ards clubs would amalgamate to form a junior championship team in the football, what's that about?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 15, 2016, 10:30:21 AM
As far as I know Ballykinlar, Aghaderg and Killyleagh are not competing this year, so as it stands there are only 7 junior graded clubs this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on February 15, 2016, 11:14:55 AM
Any lads over there looking to play football should be making Kilclief their first port of call! A few families send lads over to play juveniles but their first love is the small ball. It's a pity for us because we've had some smashing footballers over the years who finish up at minor to concentrate on senior hurling for their own clubs. Totally understandable but very frustrating!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 15, 2016, 11:18:00 AM
Looking at the players in the county it is continually surprising to think how much better our county team could be with just the current fit players alone. We talk about not having enough players but in fact we have much better players than those currently wearing red & black, they are just not making themselves available or being brought in. Here is a team of players who are all fit to play football right now (barring short term niggles):

Stephen Kane

Luke Howard - Dan Gordon - M Magee

Kevin McKernan - Niall McParland - Darren O'Hagan

Kalum King - Ryan Mallon

Ryan Johnston - Marty Clarke - Connor Maginn

Connor Laverty - Jerome Johnston - Paul McComiskey

That's a far better lineup than anything we have had in 2-3 years and all these fellas are actually playing club/college football they are all fit. I know the forward line is very small but it is also very fast and skillful. In reserve we have the likes of Garvey, Coulter, O'Hanlon, Devlin, Mooney, O'Hare, Poland, Carr... all better than the subs we have been bringing on and better than some of our current starters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 15, 2016, 06:23:11 PM
Quote from: ardtole on February 15, 2016, 10:30:21 AM
As far as I know Ballykinlar, Aghaderg and Killyleagh are not competing this year, so as it stands there are only 7 junior graded clubs this year.

heard Aghaderg were fielding though Kinlar and Killyleagh definitely not involved in Junior football this season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 15, 2016, 06:26:02 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 15, 2016, 11:18:00 AM
Looking at the players in the county it is continually surprising to think how much better our county team could be with just the current fit players alone. We talk about not having enough players but in fact we have much better players than those currently wearing red & black, they are just not making themselves available or being brought in. Here is a team of players who are all fit to play football right now (barring short term niggles):

Stephen Kane

Luke Howard - Dan Gordon - M Magee

Kevin McKernan - Niall McParland - Darren O'Hagan

Kalum King - Ryan Mallon

Ryan Johnston - Marty Clarke - Connor Maginn

Connor Laverty - Jerome Johnston - Paul McComiskey

That's a far better lineup than anything we have had in 2-3 years and all these fellas are actually playing club/college football they are all fit. I know the forward line is very small but it is also very fast and skillful. In reserve we have the likes of Garvey, Coulter, O'Hanlon, Devlin, Mooney, O'Hare, Poland, Carr... all better than the subs we have been bringing on and better than some of our current starters.

Connaire Harrison did well against Monaghan though Donal O'Hares is lacking a sense of conviction for whatever reason. Cant see McComiskey , Gordan or King coming on board any time soon and Clarke's return another uncertainty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on February 15, 2016, 08:28:12 PM
Quote from: No1 on February 15, 2016, 11:14:55 AM
Any lads over there looking to play football should be making Kilclief their first port of call! A few families send lads over to play juveniles but their first love is the small ball. It's a pity for us because we've had some smashing footballers over the years who finish up at minor to concentrate on senior hurling for their own clubs. Totally understandable but very frustrating!
St Pauls would be a better bet.No sailing involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 17, 2016, 09:01:23 PM
 Hello,is there anyone out there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on February 18, 2016, 08:32:12 AM
Quote from: imagine on February 15, 2016, 08:28:12 PM
Quote from: No1 on February 15, 2016, 11:14:55 AM
Any lads over there looking to play football should be making Kilclief their first port of call! A few families send lads over to play juveniles but their first love is the small ball. It's a pity for us because we've had some smashing footballers over the years who finish up at minor to concentrate on senior hurling for their own clubs. Totally understandable but very frustrating!
St Pauls would be a better bet.No sailing involved.

Two things;
No1, would these lads be as welcome if you'd enough numbers to field without them and would Kilclief lads be prepared to sit on the sidelines whilst the blowins got their places?

Secondly,
  I think most of the lads who've ended up playing football have went to a club where they've friends from school playing there already rather than any great geographical thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 18, 2016, 10:50:45 AM
very hard to commit to one code let alone two in the modern era

time - cost - quality would apply here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on February 18, 2016, 03:52:03 PM
JC, the lads would always be welcome and nobody sitting on the bench should be happy to be there no matter who has got "their" position. I would like to believe that it would lead to extra competition, more effort and raised standards. Wishful thinking perhaps! No doubt there would be some gubbing in the scenario you describe (from subs and subs Da's probably). It's a moot point though, we haven't been in the situation you describe since Mickey Breen was our best player! Agree that the fellas will go to the football club that their mate from school plays for. I've never quite worked out big Magic's Loughinisland connection though! ☺

Imagine, you lads have the pick of Bangor, Newtownards and the whole of East Belfast. We have the pick of a small village and 4 or 5 fields. Don't be so greedy!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on February 18, 2016, 05:08:09 PM
Quote from: No1 on February 18, 2016, 03:52:03 PM
JC, the lads would always be welcome and nobody sitting on the bench should be happy to be there no matter who has got "their" position. I would like to believe that it would lead to extra competition, more effort and raised standards. Wishful thinking perhaps! No doubt there would be some gubbing in the scenario you describe (from subs and subs Da's probably). It's a moot point though, we haven't been in the situation you describe since Mickey Breen was our best player! Agree that the fellas will go to the football club that their mate from school plays for. I've never quite worked out big Magic's Loughinisland connection though! ☺

Imagine, you lads have the pick of Bangor, Newtownards and the whole of East Belfast. We have the pick of a small village and 4 or 5 fields. Don't be so greedy!

Ha, not exactly hurling hotbeds, but we do have a few lads from St Pauls Holywood hurling for us and they're more than welcome as like you say we're lucky to have panels of 18 or 19 at juvenile from U12 up to Minor so everyone gets a run out.

Big Magic is Big Magic, anywhere there's a limelight, he's there!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on February 18, 2016, 05:14:35 PM
Quote from: No1 on February 18, 2016, 03:52:03 PM
JC, the lads would always be welcome and nobody sitting on the bench should be happy to be there no matter who has got "their" position. I would like to believe that it would lead to extra competition, more effort and raised standards. Wishful thinking perhaps! No doubt there would be some gubbing in the scenario you describe (from subs and subs Da's probably). It's a moot point though, we haven't been in the situation you describe since Mickey Breen was our best player! Agree that the fellas will go to the football club that their mate from school plays for. I've never quite worked out big Magic's Loughinisland connection though! ☺

Imagine, you lads have the pick of Bangor, Newtownards and the whole of East Belfast. We have the pick of a small village and 4 or 5 fields. Don't be so greedy!
Also you must know a lot about the parish boundaries up here when you're including East Belfast.By the way I don't know what the next parish to St Pauls is. All Saints Tullycarnet or Newtownards Rd Rangers perhaps.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on February 18, 2016, 05:34:06 PM
JC, I was addressing Imagine not asking you to imagine, but it's great to hear you boys indulge in a bit player poaching also!

I wouldn't be too au fait with the parish boundaries Imagine but there must be a club in Tullycarnet because who else would own the Go Games posts at the side of the Hanwood 3G soccer pitch? ☺
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on February 18, 2016, 06:07:23 PM
Quote from: No1 on February 18, 2016, 05:34:06 PM
JC, I was addressing Imagine not asking you to imagine, but it's great to hear you boys indulge in a bit player poaching also!

I wouldn't be too au fait with the parish boundaries Imagine but there must be a club in Tullycarnet because who else would own the Go Games posts at the side of the Hanwood 3G soccer pitch? ☺
You're taking the proverbial p-ss here.You know fine well there is no GAA Club in Tullycarnet. I suppose you're going to say there may be a Club in Hillsborough or maybe there is one in Rathriland or maybe one in Ballynahinch or even one in Ballybeen or Dromore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on February 18, 2016, 06:58:05 PM
FFS relax big lad, I was only having a bit craic. Wasn't joking about those posts though. Drumgath is only down the road from Rathfriland and Ballynahinch has a heap close by.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 18, 2016, 11:12:05 PM
Quote from: imagine on February 18, 2016, 06:07:23 PM
Quote from: No1 on February 18, 2016, 05:34:06 PM
JC, I was addressing Imagine not asking you to imagine, but it's great to hear you boys indulge in a bit player poaching also!

I wouldn't be too au fait with the parish boundaries Imagine but there must be a club in Tullycarnet because who else would own the Go Games posts at the side of the Hanwood 3G soccer pitch? ☺
You're taking the proverbial p-ss here.You know fine well there is no GAA Club in Tullycarnet. I suppose you're going to say there may be a Club in Hillsborough or maybe there is one in Rathriland or maybe one in Ballynahinch or even one in Ballybeen or Dromore.

Annaclone, Drumgath, Dromara, Darragh Cross, Drumaness, St Pauls.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on February 18, 2016, 11:43:49 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 18, 2016, 11:12:05 PM
Quote from: imagine on February 18, 2016, 06:07:23 PM
Quote from: No1 on February 18, 2016, 05:34:06 PM
JC, I was addressing Imagine not asking you to imagine, but it's great to hear you boys indulge in a bit player poaching also!

I wouldn't be too au fait with the parish boundaries Imagine but there must be a club in Tullycarnet because who else would own the Go Games posts at the side of the Hanwood 3G soccer pitch? ☺
You're taking the proverbial p-ss here.You know fine well there is no GAA Club in Tullycarnet. I suppose you're going to say there may be a Club in Hillsborough or maybe there is one in Rathriland or maybe one in Ballynahinch or even one in Ballybeen or Dromore.

Annaclone, Drumgath, Dromara, Darragh Cross, Drumaness, St Pauls.
Geography,distance and population mix wouldn't be your strong points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on February 19, 2016, 02:09:47 AM
Brains wouldn't be yours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on February 19, 2016, 09:40:21 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on February 19, 2016, 02:09:47 AM
Brains wouldn't be yours.
More bad behaviour ahead for the Harps this season when even their keyboard men are
fighting already.Imbecile
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on February 19, 2016, 10:19:07 AM
Where's that Ron Burgundy meme when you need it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on February 19, 2016, 12:40:28 PM
Quote from: imagine on February 18, 2016, 06:07:23 PM
Quote from: No1 on February 18, 2016, 05:34:06 PM
JC, I was addressing Imagine not asking you to imagine, but it's great to hear you boys indulge in a bit player poaching also!

I wouldn't be too au fait with the parish boundaries Imagine but there must be a club in Tullycarnet because who else would own the Go Games posts at the side of the Hanwood 3G soccer pitch? ☺
You're taking the proverbial p-ss here.You know fine well there is no GAA Club in Tullycarnet. I suppose you're going to say there may be a Club in Hillsborough or maybe there is one in Rathriland or maybe one in Ballynahinch or even one in Ballybeen or Dromore.

Rathfriland is in Drumgath Parish......half the team are from the town
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on February 19, 2016, 01:11:23 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on February 19, 2016, 12:40:28 PM
Quote from: imagine on February 18, 2016, 06:07:23 PM
Quote from: No1 on February 18, 2016, 05:34:06 PM
JC, I was addressing Imagine not asking you to imagine, but it's great to hear you boys indulge in a bit player poaching also!

I wouldn't be too au fait with the parish boundaries Imagine but there must be a club in Tullycarnet because who else would own the Go Games posts at the side of the Hanwood 3G soccer pitch? ☺
You're taking the proverbial p-ss here.You know fine well there is no GAA Club in Tullycarnet. I suppose you're going to say there may be a Club in Hillsborough or maybe there is one in Rathriland or maybe one in Ballynahinch or even one in Ballybeen or Dromore.

Rathfriland is in Drumgath Parish......half the team are from the town

Rathfriland erins own won a senior championship back in 1937 if my memory serves me correct. County Board meetings were held in the town at the turn of the last century. It's a town with a long standing history in Down gaa.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 19, 2016, 01:49:12 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on February 19, 2016, 10:19:07 AM
Where's that Ron Burgundy meme when you need it?

the "well that escalated quickly " one ? :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 19, 2016, 01:50:18 PM
Burns confirms Dan Gordon not making himself available for Down

now we know and can move on.. on that one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 19, 2016, 05:22:50 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 19, 2016, 01:50:18 PM
Burns confirms Dan Gordon not making himself available for Down

now we know and can move on.. on that one
we could do with 3 or 4 dan gordons. be a shame if we dont see him back in a down jersey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on February 20, 2016, 08:19:32 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 20, 2016, 01:44:39 PM
No Down men were used on the beaten UUJ team yesterday.Says a lot about both the current Down Team's calibre of player
and the merry go round of professional players attending 3rd level colleges at present.

Definitely says alot about our current standing, who exactly would have been in contention?  Not much craic here at the minute.  I cannot remember so much apathy both here and even worse when you talk to your mates about it, actually it would depress you talking about it.  We are only 2 games into the season but boy are we in a low place. Eamonn really is on a beaten docket here but I hope for his sake he can maintain a credible league and championship campaign though it doesn't help when our better players will not make themselves available.  I would have more time for those who will train and slog it out on the pitch rather than those who will/have taken the easy option of jumping ship.  We are a proud county but I think you will find that somewhere about our boots at present  :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on February 20, 2016, 11:15:10 PM
Holywood, Newtownards and Bangor dominating the county draw tonight. They do say money goes to money..........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on February 21, 2016, 12:40:14 AM
Quote from: No1 on February 20, 2016, 11:15:10 PM
Holywood, Newtownards and Bangor dominating the county draw tonight. They do say money goes to money..........
I'll let others judge your post
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 22, 2016, 10:10:30 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 19, 2016, 01:50:18 PM
Burns confirms Dan Gordon not making himself available for Down

now we know and can move on.. on that one

Very disappointing but totally expected. But isn't the key question why wouldn't he want to be part of the Down team? Sadly the answers are fairly obvious. We play a football style that is no fun for anyone. Secondly the training demands are significant.

The more training the more expenses so it pays to have lots of sessions, but that also is drain on players time. A former All-Ireland winner commented to me recently that the game is increasingly only going to be played by teachers and students under the age of 30. as they are the only people that can give up that time commitment.

Asking someone like Dan to give up his family life with young children 3-5 days per week and then go out and play a game structured around fear (fear to attack, fear to shoot, fear to pass long, fear to take on a man) is understandably unattractive.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaa for life on February 22, 2016, 01:46:51 PM
I would have more time for those who will train and slog it out on the pitch rather than those who will/have taken the easy option of jumping ship.

you mean you have more time for a few young lads with no ties playing senior football to a man who has chosen to have a life with his young family after 11/12 years of service to our county senior team? says a lot really
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on February 22, 2016, 07:23:30 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 22, 2016, 10:10:30 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 19, 2016, 01:50:18 PM
Burns confirms Dan Gordon not making himself available for Down

now we know and can move on.. on that one

Very disappointing but totally expected. But isn't the key question why wouldn't he want to be part of the Down team? Sadly the answers are fairly obvious. We play a football style that is no fun for anyone. Secondly the training demands are significant.

The more training the more expenses so it pays to have lots of sessions, but that also is drain on players time. A former All-Ireland winner commented to me recently that the game is increasingly only going to be played by teachers and students under the age of 30. as they are the only people that can give up that time commitment.

Asking someone like Dan to give up his family life with young children 3-5 days per week and then go out and play a game structured around fear (fear to attack, fear to shoot, fear to pass long, fear to take on a man) is understandably unattractive.

the lack of leeway shown to his club last year may also be a factor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on February 23, 2016, 06:07:11 AM
Isn't it typical of some so called Down fans who come on here to give an opinion on here about something they know nothing about. This is supposed to be a forum to discuss Down football and not to criticise Dan Gordon.The man for whatever reason has decided enough is enough, he has given great service to Down , let's remember that.
The same man will still play for his club , the same club that the CCC shafted this year over the play off game, that may have contributed to his decision but it won't have been the only reason for stepping back from county football, it's time for the criticism to stop and move on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on February 23, 2016, 08:31:53 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 23, 2016, 07:59:37 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on February 23, 2016, 06:07:11 AM
Isn't it typical of some so called Down fans who come on here to give an opinion on here about something they know nothing about. This is supposed to be a forum to discuss Down football and not to criticise Dan Gordon.The man for whatever reason has decided enough is enough, he has given great service to Down , let's remember that.
The same man will still play for his club , the same club that the CCC shafted this year over the play off game, that may have contributed to his decision but it won't have been the only reason for stepping back from county football, it's time for the criticism to stop and move on.

I'm in no way criticising DG. Just posting a potential reason for his non return. He has been one of our main men for years. It's not unreasonable to mention him on a discussion board pertaining to down gaa as long as there is no personal abuse against him. I have it from a very very reliable source that he said he would never wear a down jersey again after the way his club were treated last year.

Spot on. Any chances of him going back were ended after the scenario surrounding the play off game. He's made his decision and Down will now have to move on and look at alternative options.

Any word on Benny? Is he back with squad yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 23, 2016, 03:33:33 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on February 23, 2016, 06:07:11 AM
Isn't it typical of some so called Down fans who come on here to give an opinion on here about something they know nothing about. This is supposed to be a forum to discuss Down football and not to criticise Dan Gordon.The man for whatever reason has decided enough is enough, he has given great service to Down , let's remember that.
The same man will still play for his club , the same club that the CCC shafted this year over the play off game, that may have contributed to his decision but it won't have been the only reason for stepping back from county football, it's time for the criticism to stop and move on.

you may have actually contradicted yourself there  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 23, 2016, 04:41:21 PM
Looking fwd to Sunday afternoon now. Feel like I haven't seen the County in 100 years.

What are people thinking about this one?

I see gaa.ie have a headline "Big Guns back for Kerry this weekend". Just as well, we wouldn't want the Dublin media saying that we bet a weakened outfit!   :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 23, 2016, 04:44:44 PM
The full text:

Kerry manager Éamonn Fitzmaurice expects to have a number of his heavy hitters available to him for the Kingdom's Allianz Football League game against Down in Newry on Sunday afternoon.

The Allianz Football League returns this weekend after two weekends off, and Kerry need a win in the Marshes, having lost their opening two games to Dublin and Roscommon respectively.

Colm Cooper, Marc Ó Sé, Kieran Donaghy and Bryan Sheehan are all in line to feature, while Fitzmaurice hopes to include Aidan Walsh and Denis Daly (St Mary's) and Templenoe duo Tadhg Morley and Gavin Crowley in his plans, that quartet having starred in their clubs' All-Ireland Intermediate and Junior wins earlier this month.

"Obviously we have no team picked yet and we will have to see how the football goes this week," Fitzmaurice said at his media briefing on Monday evening in Tralee. "But Marc ó Sé is back in the reckoning, Colm Cooper is back in the mix, as is Kieran Donaghy."

"Peter Crowley is also back in the reckoning but it's possibly a week or two too soon for him. Bryan Sheehan, Aidan Walsh and Denis Daly from the St Mary's team that won the All-Ireland Intermediate club, as well as the Templenoe pair of Tadhg Morley and Gavin Crowley are all back in and they will strengthen our hand."

Kerry are still without a galaxy of stars though, James O'Donoghue, Paul Geaney and Anthony Maher all still on the absentee list.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 23, 2016, 05:12:42 PM
With Gordan not returning I'd say it's time to move  Mc Kernan back into MF. I'd prefer to see him in the forward line but it's a case of needs must  as this stage, ideally I'd like to see N. Mc Parland partner him (if he's been called up yet?) Hopefully have the Johnson brothers and few others back for the Kerry game on Sunday. Any suggestions for a line up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 23, 2016, 09:41:05 PM
Tomorrow's Irish News reporting that both Johnson's out for 2/3 months with shoulders injuries.. not getting any easier for Down at the moment!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 25, 2016, 02:05:59 PM
 any news of a team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 25, 2016, 09:15:16 PM
It's not impossible that Burns will say we showed such a marked improvement in Clones that it will be the same starting 15, but a couple of changes would strengthen us. Our kick outs were the biggest single problem against Monaghan, and, while there has to be collective responsibility for this, giving Gordon his chance makes sense.

Boyle was reasonable in the corner but he is probably better out the field and either O'Hagan or Howard could come in beside Gerard McGovern and Magee. Conaill McGovern should be at centre half. possibly alongside Mallon and Carr and it would be a surprise if Turley and Brown are not in midfield.

Poland and Maginn look likely for the half forward line with McKernan named there and dropping back. Murphy deserves another run for his defensive qualities and a two-man forward line of O'Hare and Harrison looks the part.

There are going to be some big names lining out for Kerry, but some of them are struggling for form and fitness, so a repeat of the Monaghan display from the start could put them under pressure. We have lost our last six matches in a row against intercounty opposition, so it is time to lay down a few markers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on February 25, 2016, 11:10:13 PM
Down team to play Kerry on Sunday in Pairc Esler: Michael Cunningham, Luke Howard, Gerard McGovern, Darren O'Hagan, Conaill McGovern, Aidan Carr, Darragh O'Hanlon, Peter Turley, Mark McKay, Joe Murphy, Mark Poland, Kevin McKernan, Conor Maginn, Connaire Harrison, Barry O'Hagan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 25, 2016, 11:30:34 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on February 25, 2016, 11:10:13 PM
Down team to play Kerry on Sunday in Pairc Esler: Michael Cunningham, Luke Howard, Gerard McGovern, Darren O'Hagan, Conaill McGovern, Aidan Carr, Darragh O'Hanlon, Peter Turley, Mark McKay, Joe Murphy, Mark Poland, Kevin McKernan, Conor Maginn, Connaire Harrison, Barry O'Hagan

like this.  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 25, 2016, 11:31:07 PM
We don't know about injuries but Barry O'Hagan starting ahead of Donal O'Hare is a surprise. Cunningham seems to have gone from third to first choice keeper, and it is a big call at midfield for McKay, but there will be plenty of interest in the line-up and hopefully a decent crowd as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on February 26, 2016, 07:12:52 AM
Is Donal ohare not suspended
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 26, 2016, 09:45:42 AM
Disappointed Mallon isn't named.

I hate the two-man forward line, or at least the forward line that is a maximum of two man. I can accept a three man forward line with one dropping back to cover, but not a two-man forward line with the "one-dropped-back-and-will never-venture-forward-again" approach that we actually have.

I don't like our midfield but then again how many other options do we have?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 26, 2016, 10:30:13 AM
Whats the situation with Nial Mc Parland, is he in the panel? Obviously had prior commitments to the Ranch but he should be back now?

Regarding team selection, why is anyone surprised at the omission of Donal O Hare, he has been a passenger for a long time now, huge blow not having either Johnston.

Any news on Brendan Mc Ardle? surely a big option at Midfield? A lot more mobility than Turley who just simply wont do at this level of football.

Interestingly the last time we beat Kerry just over 5 years ago, here was the team, only two play Sunday and neither are anywhere near the levels of performance they once were.

Down: B McVeigh, D McCartan, D Gordon, D Rafferty, D Rooney, K McKernan, C Garvey, A Rodgers (0-2, 1 '45), K King, D Hughes, M Poland (1-2, 0-1f), P McComiskey (0-2), B Coulter (0-3), J Clarke, M Clarke (0-4, 2f, 1 '45).

Subs: C Maginn (0-1) for J Clarke, R Murtagh (0-1) for McComiskey, B McArdle for Rooney, P Fitzpatrick (0-1) for King, R Sexton for Poland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JoeBloggs11 on February 26, 2016, 11:14:11 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on February 26, 2016, 10:30:13 AM
Whats the situation with Nial Mc Parland, is he in the panel? Obviously had prior commitments to the Ranch but he should be back now?

As far as I am aware, Niall along with any of the other Glenn contingent will not be joining the county panel this year as they are committing fully to the club in 2016
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on February 26, 2016, 11:29:16 AM
I really don't know to laugh or cry at this down team for sunday. Where are the scoring forwards?? conor maginn as a corner forward???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on February 26, 2016, 11:40:09 AM
Down minor panel named yesterday. How the hell is conor lowry not picked. Outstanding in middle of the park for st.marks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 26, 2016, 12:50:09 PM
Brendan McArdle has a long term injury and may not be back until the end of the league. Donal O'Hare apparently got one-match suspension so he should be available to appear at some stage. We plainly intend to keep plenty of men behind the ball, but we probably don't have too many other options with our present squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on February 26, 2016, 12:54:32 PM
Is the match being broadcast on radio?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on February 26, 2016, 12:57:14 PM
Oops! I now see it's on GAAGO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 26, 2016, 02:17:08 PM
Kerry are coming to Newry... sure why would ye need a radio!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on February 26, 2016, 04:21:48 PM
Because I will be 3000 miles from Newry on Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 26, 2016, 05:16:27 PM
Quote from: ballela-angel on February 26, 2016, 04:21:48 PM
Because I will be 3000 miles from Newry on Sunday

Only 3000 miles, That's a lack of commitment as far as I am concerened!  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redzone on February 26, 2016, 06:27:28 PM
Whatever happened Conor Poland from longstone. Mind him at u21 level and thought he would come thru to be a senior star
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 26, 2016, 11:19:04 PM
Works in England I think. Only came back for Championship/relegation fight last season.

O'Hare and Mallon are named on the bench. As is Jonny Flynn from Loughinisland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on February 27, 2016, 07:45:29 PM
Wouldn't think we are in for a trouncing, players need to go for it, don't stand off Kerry and get wired into them. It would lift the home crowd.

It will take all 20 players giving every ounce they have in them. They are playing for pride as much as points.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on February 28, 2016, 03:39:20 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on February 27, 2016, 07:45:29 PM
Wouldn't think we are in for a trouncing, players need to go for it, don't stand off Kerry and get wired into them. It would lift the home crowd

It will take all 20 players giving every ounce they have in them. They are playing for pride as much as points.

Eh, I'll take that back, will we win a game this year??


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 28, 2016, 05:33:55 PM
There's not much to be said about today, other than, courtesy of a freak promotion last year, we are in the wrong division. We would have needed our strongest squad to be available if we were to have any chance of being competitive, and even then it would have been an uphill campaign. Kerry won without breaking sweat and the only surprise was that they did not score a goal.

They are realistically at an entirely different level to us, but it has to be a concern that many of our senior players are either missing from the panel or, like McKernan and Poland, struggling to make any impact on the field. Carr went off early, presumably injured,  Maginn, apart from one decent point, was not really involved, and most of the rest are very much on a learning curve.

Cunningham's kick-outs were mixed but still an improvement on Kane the last day, and he also made a couple of fine saves so he deserves another run. The trip to Roscommon, who won by 18 points away to Cork today, looks daunting and after that we have the Dubs in town. These are tough times.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 29, 2016, 09:45:09 AM
Quote from: JoeBloggs11 on February 26, 2016, 11:14:11 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on February 26, 2016, 10:30:13 AM
Whats the situation with Nial Mc Parland, is he in the panel? Obviously had prior commitments to the Ranch but he should be back now?

As far as I am aware, Niall along with any of the other Glenn contingent will not be joining the county panel this year as they are committing fully to the club in 2016
With an attaitiude like this it's no wonder we're in trouble.Quite disgusting if true.We all want our own Club to do well along with the County.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on February 29, 2016, 10:55:18 AM
Shocking.

On a serious note though where does this Down team rank in Ulster this year? Absolutely terrible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 29, 2016, 11:12:36 AM
Quote from: mourneman9194 on February 29, 2016, 10:55:18 AM
Shocking.

On a serious note though where does this Down team rank in Ulster this year? Absolutely terrible.
8th I'd say . I don't ever recall us being so poor. It's hard to see where they go from here. We are nowhere near a div 1 team. I honestly can't see us winning a game this year unless we draw a really weak team in qualifiers.
I'm not Suprised certain players would prefer to concentrate on the club. Dreading Roscommon and the Dubs 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 29, 2016, 11:19:34 AM
May seem strange to say but I actually felt our performance was a step in the right direction. Yeah I know I will probably get hammered for that statement.

But I mean for the first time in a couple of years the lads were at least trying to get the ball in quick to the forwards and they were trying to shoot and score. For the last couple of years it has been about 7-8 players bringing the ball up by lateral hand passing to the opposition 45 then not having a clue what to do next and no one taking responsibility to attempt a shot.

Okay a lot of forward ball went astray and a lot of shots did too. But if they stick at quick ball in, our forwards will be better at predicting the supply and better at moving it. Mallon supported well breaking through and McKernan showed signs of a willingness to get forward.

But I have to say that Henry Brown was shocking, his body language was that of an U-12. slapping his hips when he missed a catch while watching the opposition run away from him, giving up on chasing players, and having absolutely no idea where to position himself. It's like he thought his only job was to catch kickouts and if he didn't get it he just turned off. I have to say that I thought Johnny Flynn was very poor also.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on February 29, 2016, 11:52:35 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on February 29, 2016, 11:19:34 AM
May seem strange to say but I actually felt our performance was a step in the right direction. Yeah I know I will probably get hammered for that statement.

But I mean for the first time in a couple of years the lads were at least trying to get the ball in quick to the forwards and they were trying to shoot and score. For the last couple of years it has been about 7-8 players bringing the ball up by lateral hand passing to the opposition 45 then not having a clue what to do next and no one taking responsibility to attempt a shot.

Okay a lot of forward ball went astray and a lot of shots did too. But if they stick at quick ball in, our forwards will be better at predicting the supply and better at moving it. Mallon supported well breaking through and McKernan showed signs of a willingness to get forward.

But I have to say that Henry Brown was shocking, his body language was that of an U-12. slapping his hips when he missed a catch while watching the opposition run away from him, giving up on chasing players, and having absolutely no idea where to position himself. It's like he thought his only job was to catch kickouts and if he didn't get it he just turned off. I have to say that I thought Johnny Flynn was very poor also.

Easy to be critical when on here. Not so easy to perform when being brought on for 20mins against Bryan Sheehan & Kieran Donaghy when your team is getting hammered. Henry & Jonny are in their first year on the county panel, Jonny only joined about a month ago, you can hardly expect them to be super stars against arguably the second best team in Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on February 29, 2016, 12:04:52 PM
Do Down have any sort of defensive system or game plan? The amount of times the full back line were left exposed was ridiculous. Luke Howard in particular was left isolated one on one a few times during the game and not another down player within 30m of him.

Down need to start building from the back in my opinion. Get a solid defensive game plan in place and build from there. If it means dropping 12 men back behind the ball then so be it. The days of going 15 on 15 and fluid flowing football in this county are over. We simply do not have the players at the minute.

Look at all the Ulster teams that have won all irelands since Down last won. Tyrone, Donegal & Armagh have all been built on a solid defensive plan which gives them a platform to build. Even Kerry & Dublin drop players back and have some sort of defensive system in place.

if we continue going the way we are it'll be a very long time before we win Ulster never mind Sam.

Aposter above mentioned we would be ranked 8th in Ulster. I'm presuming that was ahead of Antrim? I would argue we are the worst team in ulster at theminute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on February 29, 2016, 02:07:08 PM
I think a bit of realism is what is needed here. Down were never going to beat Kerry and anyone who thought they had a chance are deluded. We can argue til the cows come home about defensive systems and yes they would help curtail scores to a degree but for me the biggest problem is our attacking system. Fair play to Eamon, he is at least trying to get faster, longer ball into our full forward line but the reality is that we do not have forwards that are the standard required for division one. Who are our go to men in the forward line, who are our prolific scorers? We don't have any. A previous poster spoke about times when other Ulster counties won All - Irelands, look at the forward lines they had. Look at our own forwards in the early 90's, even the forwards we had in 2010. We just simply don't have enough of that quality at our disposal. Its not Eamon Burn's fault, he can only work with what he has. And I am not trying to put players down, I am simply being realistic in terms of the level they are at compared to other teams. In the past when we were light up front we would have had Benny Coulter for example, we don't have any real stars available anymore. Look at our club football, its no different. Armagh are in the same predicament only at least they are in Div 2. Unfortunately we will be relegated and I say unfortunately as I am a proud Down man and hate to see our teams in that position. We will not win anything championship wise this year either. But that doesn't mean we just give up. As supporters we must get behind our team, difficult at times as it may be. There will be the odd great Down win when we will all get our hopes up but until we get a new bunch of top class players together at the one time then the few is all we can hope for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 29, 2016, 06:40:47 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on February 29, 2016, 12:04:52 PM
Do Down have any sort of defensive system or game plan? The amount of times the full back line were left exposed was ridiculous. Luke Howard in particular was left isolated one on one a few times during the game and not another down player within 30m of him.

Down need to start building from the back in my opinion. Get a solid defensive game plan in place and build from there. If it means dropping 12 men back behind the ball then so be it. The days of going 15 on 15 and fluid flowing football in this county are over. We simply do not have the players at the minute.

Look at all the Ulster teams that have won all irelands since Down last won. Tyrone, Donegal & Armagh have all been built on a solid defensive plan which gives them a platform to build. Even Kerry & Dublin drop players back and have some sort of defensive system in place.

if we continue going the way we are it'll be a very long time before we win Ulster never mind Sam.

Aposter above mentioned we would be ranked 8th in Ulster. I'm presuming that was ahead of Antrim? I would argue we are the worst team in ulster at theminute.
Joint 8th is where we are at and that might be disrespectful to Antrim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 29, 2016, 07:06:36 PM
Quote from: downup on February 29, 2016, 02:07:08 PM
I think a bit of realism is what is needed here. Down were never going to beat Kerry and anyone who thought they had a chance are deluded. We can argue til the cows come home about defensive systems and yes they would help curtail scores to a degree but for me the biggest problem is our attacking system. Fair play to Eamon, he is at least trying to get faster, longer ball into our full forward line but the reality is that we do not have forwards that are the standard required for division one. Who are our go to men in the forward line, who are our prolific scorers? We don't have any. A previous poster spoke about times when other Ulster counties won All - Irelands, look at the forward lines they had. Look at our own forwards in the early 90's, even the forwards we had in 2010. We just simply don't have enough of that quality at our disposal. Its not Eamon Burn's fault, he can only work with what he has. And I am not trying to put players down, I am simply being realistic in terms of the level they are at compared to other teams. In the past when we were light up front we would have had Benny Coulter for example, we don't have any real stars available anymore. Look at our club football, its no different. Armagh are in the same predicament only at least they are in Div 2. Unfortunately we will be relegated and I say unfortunately as I am a proud Down man and hate to see our teams in that position. We will not win anything championship wise this year either. But that doesn't mean we just give up. As supporters we must get behind our team, difficult at times as it may be. There will be the odd great Down win when we will all get our hopes up but until we get a new bunch of top class players together at the one time then the few is all we can hope for.

Most sensible post Ive read on here in a long time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on February 29, 2016, 07:14:23 PM
We are not joint 8th in my opinion.don't forget it's not even a year since we ran derry close in celtic park in championship.Personally I'd still be disappointed if we lost to fermanagh,shocked if we lost to antrim and wouldn't be at all surprised if we beat cavan,derry or armagh in a championship game.The step up in class in division one is enormous,so these results are to be expected.
   Maybe we are now realising that the team we had for the last ten or so years was actually very strong.We had top class players like mcveigh in nets,dee rafferty,Dan Gordon,benny coulter,Danny Hughes,ronan murtagh,john clarke,liam doyle.Even when tyrone were at the height of their powers we always have them a battle and beat them on a few occasions.Add to that the introduction of Clark,mccomiskey,maginn,mckernan,laverty,poland and for a few years we were a match for most.
   The team at the minute isn't of that standard,but it isn't as low as some are making out either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 29, 2016, 07:43:35 PM
Quote from: east down gael on February 29, 2016, 07:14:23 PM
We are not joint 8th in my opinion.don't forget it's not even a year since we ran derry close in celtic park in championship.Personally I'd still be disappointed if we lost to fermanagh,shocked if we lost to antrim and wouldn't be at all surprised if we beat cavan,derry or armagh in a championship game.The step up in class in division one is enormous,so these results are to be expected.
   Maybe we are now realising that the team we had for the last ten or so years was actually very strong.We had top class players like mcveigh in nets,dee rafferty,Dan Gordon,benny coulter,Danny Hughes,ronan murtagh,john clarke,liam doyle.Even when tyrone were at the height of their powers we always have them a battle and beat them on a few occasions.Add to that the introduction of Clark,mccomiskey,maginn,mckernan,laverty,poland and for a few years we were a match for most.
   The team at the minute isn't of that standard,but it isn't as low as some are making out either.
That group of players had 1 good year. So we can't say we were a match for most when we were losing to wicklow in the  qualifiers and playing div 3 football. Clare nearly knocked us out the year after the all ireland final appearance.  It's more than just a lack of quality footballers. There is some sort of preparation missing . Jim mcguinness got into the heads of Donegal players and give them more consistency
Some Down have lacked for many years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 29, 2016, 07:58:37 PM
Quote from: east down gael on February 29, 2016, 07:14:23 PM
We are not joint 8th in my opinion.don't forget it's not even a year since we ran derry close in celtic park in championship.Personally I'd still be disappointed if we lost to fermanagh,shocked if we lost to antrim and wouldn't be at all surprised if we beat cavan,derry or armagh in a championship game.The step up in class in division one is enormous,so these results are to be expected.
   Maybe we are now realising that the team we had for the last ten or so years was actually very strong.We had top class players like mcveigh in nets,dee rafferty,Dan Gordon,benny coulter,Danny Hughes,ronan murtagh,john clarke,liam doyle.Even when tyrone were at the height of their powers we always have them a battle and beat them on a few occasions.Add to that the introduction of Clark,mccomiskey,maginn,mckernan,laverty,poland and for a few years we were a match for most.
   The team at the minute isn't of that standard,but it isn't as low as some are making out either.
It is very low and it's not as if we're waiting on any sublime talent to come through from the underage setup.I'm afraid we're on the way down to probably at least Div 3 in the next few seasons where it'll be easier to blood some faces.The top 2 Divisions are unforgiving and no place to be trying good young players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 02, 2016, 03:38:59 PM
It'd be a hard sell at the minute I'd say.

I'm in it to make sure I get the 2 tickets that I most certainly will need throughout the summer.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 03, 2016, 12:11:36 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 03, 2016, 08:57:22 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on March 02, 2016, 03:38:59 PM
It'd be a hard sell at the minute I'd say.

I'm in it to make sure I get the 2 tickets that I most certainly will need throughout the summer.
and what 2 tickets would they be?
I used to be a member of club Down. But I ended it. I honestly don't see where the money is being used wisely in terms of the county set up.feel free to correct me and let me know where it goes. Have we any hope in minor or U21 level this year? Does hurling get any contribution? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on March 03, 2016, 02:13:33 PM
I actually think there are decent minors coming through. we will know soon enough. and james mccartan right man to oversee it.

I reckon mccartan will return to the senior job when some of his current crop progress
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on March 04, 2016, 07:59:19 AM
It didn't take long for the knives to come out for Eamonn Burns , the man is in the job 5 mins and we have him out with James ready to take over. We all know we have a squad of players who are out of their depth in Div 1 but if we unearth some players for the future it may be all in vain.
As for the future, well no one has a crystal ball but if all the hard work currently being undertaken at academy level, minor and u 21 continues, then who knows the future may not be as bad as people would have you believe. Our problem is all programmes at underage level don't have longevity , after the 60s we expected the success to continue forever, sadly the opposite was true,the 90s should have been built on, but we failed to learn from the mistakes of the future.
We need a leader in the county , instead we have an executive who will be looking around for another manager shortly , which is wrong given Eamonn Burns took the job in good faith for the right reasons, the lads taking the field don't play badly deliberately, so KEEP THE FAITH success will come back, new stars will emerge and AN DUN will be back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 04, 2016, 08:48:22 AM
That's the sort of misty-eyed cr@p that would sicken yer hole. And its all we peddle in this county.
Last weekend had to endure those god awful roadside electronic message boards dotted around the marshes - "2 Kingdoms clash....they couldn't beat us in the 60s..nor the 90s yadda yadda yadda". Talk about cringeworthy stuff.

Again someone on here supposes to know the mindset of the manager. Why he took the job on, his motivations, his attitude towards it etc. How can anyone say he took the job on in good faith and with good reason unless they were that man himself.

And its obvious that the seat is only being kept warm for James in 3 years time.

As for Club Down, it was torpedoed as soon as the Down club draws came in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 04, 2016, 10:00:42 AM
Roscommon v Down moved to pearse park Longford. The Hyde must be unplayable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 04, 2016, 05:49:34 PM
Quote from: interested on March 04, 2016, 12:54:39 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 04, 2016, 08:48:22 AM
That's the sort of misty-eyed cr@p that would sicken yer hole. And its all we peddle in this county.
Last weekend had to endure those god awful roadside electronic message boards dotted around the marshes - "2 Kingdoms clash....they couldn't beat us in the 60s..nor the 90s yadda yadda yadda". Talk about cringeworthy stuff.

Again someone on here supposes to know the mindset of the manager. Why he took the job on, his motivations, his attitude towards it etc. How can anyone say he took the job on in good faith and with good reason unless they were that man himself.

And its obvious that the seat is only being kept warm for James in 3 years time.

As for Club Down, it was torpedoed as soon as the Down club draws came in.
The current group of players and Eamon Burns are doing their best but they are both limited in ability.Not unlike our County Board over the years as they try to do their best but they really don't have the same ability as administrators in the more successful counties.
I really think that if you have a good County board it'll eventually provide a good County side.Sadly our people at the top are really like labourers in suits trying to do the jobs that clearly they are not fit for.Not saying that can't do certain jobs but not to be leading a County which has the same raw materials as any other County at any age but they don't have the know-how to bring all this through underage setups that ultimately will lead to a successful Senior team.
   TP Murphy,Maurice Hayes,Danny Murphy and various astute Committee men in the 60's-the 90's were all higher up the ability/capability ladder than the muppets we have had the past twenty years.
A bit harsh on Eamon and the players but you could be right on the county Board analysis although no one goes out to do it wrongly but the signs last week were pitiful and embarrassing to look at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on March 04, 2016, 09:00:05 PM
Brick your a first class w**ker who is obviously has a pocket full of county medals and is clearly a legend in his own mind
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 04, 2016, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on March 04, 2016, 09:00:05 PM
Brick your a first class w**ker who is obviously has a pocket full of county medals and is clearly a legend in his own mind
Entitled to his opinion. That's the point of the board.  No point getting abusive. Would it not be better to challenge with an argument against what his opinion is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 05, 2016, 11:57:46 AM
There are only two changes for the Roscommon game, which is not what many people expected. One appears to be enforced, as Murphy, who has been among our few successes so far, picked up an injury against Kerry, and is replaced by Flynn. Boyle also comes in for Darren O'Hagan.

The message from Burns would seem to be that the team seriously under-performed the last day and need to be given the chance to sort themselves out as soon as possible, but it is surprising that Mallon still does not start.

We could not cope with Roscommon's size and strength in the two matches last season and they look to have improved considerably since then while we have obviously lost our last seven in a row against inter-county opposition. The only glimmer of hope is that we have tended to be better on the road over the last couple of seasons, but we will have to come up with some viable form of a defensive system and also a way of getting into the scoring area at the other end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 05, 2016, 12:06:03 PM
It's not surprising Mallon doesn't start. The lad doesn't want to or know how to defend. At present a 20min man.

cut the crap, I thank you sir.charming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on March 06, 2016, 12:43:31 PM
On a serious note MrBrick , did you ever play senior football at club level, did you ever play county football at any level, because if you can answer yes to any or both of these questions you should hang your head in shame , Down doesn't need supporters who don't get behind their team.Our game is easy played from the stands or by the fireside, we haven't got the best squad in Ireland , that's fact but don't question their commitment or desire to win. As for clowns like you stay at home with your lap top.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 06, 2016, 02:09:07 PM
Brick may be surprised to learn that, according to Shannonside radio, Mallon actually did start today's game. It is hard to tell from the commentary but it seems that McKernan may have dropped out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on March 06, 2016, 02:17:16 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 06, 2016, 02:09:07 PM
Brick may be surprised to learn that, according to Shannonside radio, Mallon actually did start today's game. It is hard to tell from the commentary but it seems that McKernan may have dropped out.

Gerard Collins starts instead of Luke Howard according to Down Twitter,who are still advertising tickets for last weeks game  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 06, 2016, 03:42:48 PM
McKernan was reportedly unavailable because because he became a father overnight, which was probably the only good news coming out of the Down camp today. The radio coverage indicated that we definitely improved on the Kerry debacle, which would not have been hard, but, apart from a bright start when we scored the first two points, we were fairly comprehensively outplayed and should probably have lost by more than the final margin of nine points. One of the commentators suggested that Roscommon appeared significantly fitter than Down, which is hardly a good sign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on March 06, 2016, 04:23:02 PM
Not a great result by all accounts , hopefully management can take some positives , it will be a long league campaign but I believe we will have made some progress when the championship campaign starts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on March 06, 2016, 05:19:38 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on March 06, 2016, 04:23:02 PM
Not a great result by all accounts , hopefully management can take some positives , it will be a long league campaign but I believe we will have made some progress when the championship campaign starts.

Cut the crap.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 06, 2016, 06:08:27 PM
The Dubs are sending their juniors up next Sunday.   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on March 06, 2016, 08:10:29 PM
Tyson got beat, McGregor got beat , even the great Kerry team got beat by Offaly , so I'm heavy on hope light on expectation when the Dubs come calling, I was at the last one in Newry when we beat them,so who knows.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 06, 2016, 09:20:10 PM
Not winding ye up, but Down were atrocious today.

One of the worst teams I've seen in the last 3 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 06, 2016, 11:52:21 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 06, 2016, 09:20:10 PM
Not winding ye up, but Down were atrocious today.

One of the worst teams I've seen in the last 3 years.
Go away and eat an orange.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 07, 2016, 08:42:31 AM
Does anyone know what's is happening regarding Saturday night before the Dublin game?
Is meet the players and that happening in the canal court hotel going ahead?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 07, 2016, 09:11:09 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on March 06, 2016, 12:43:31 PM
On a serious note MrBrick , did you ever play senior football at club level, did you ever play county football at any level, because if you can answer yes to any or both of these questions you should hang your head in shame , Down doesn't need supporters who don't get behind their team.Our game is easy played from the stands or by the fireside, we haven't got the best squad in Ireland , that's fact but don't question their commitment or desire to win. As for clowns like you stay at home with your lap top.


Show me where I questioned commitment or desire?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on March 07, 2016, 12:54:26 PM
The scoreline yesterday probably was a fair reflection on the game. Down went in at HT 3 points down and that in itself didn't do justice to Roscommon. Down did play a very defensive game especially in the first half and on many occasions only had one player over the half way line. They did limit Roscommon to long range efforts which mostly went wide in the first half and were just not able to break quick enough on the counter attack when they did overturn possession. On at least 4 occasions we had chances for scores in the first half and we couldn't kick the ball 25 yards over the bar which is just not good enough at this level. In the second half Roscommon stretched Down a lot more and were able to get in for scores that little bit easier. Down did hit the crossbar in the middle of the half but after that didn't go in the heads did seem to drop and Roscommon ran out easy winners in the end. It was a better performance from last week, Turley worked hard, Barry O Hagan showed well at times, Ryan Mallon made a few telling runs and the full back line were a lot tighter than last week. We know we are going down but we can definitely work on improving at least a few things in our play and whilst it wont save us it may give us more scores on the board then the poor return we got at the weekend. We need a more reliable free taker, Harrison misses too many scoreable frees. Paul Devlin got some good points when introduced simply because he was prepared to shoot which we don't do often enough. As things are at the minute anything less than a 10 point defeat by Dublin would be a big improvement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 07, 2016, 04:02:30 PM
 I expect at least a 15 point defeat. Anything less would be a surprise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on March 07, 2016, 10:02:31 PM
Our club is looking an u16 challenge game on Saturday before heading onto Newry for Down v Dublin. PM me if you can help/interested. Our 16s are pretty good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 07, 2016, 10:06:13 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on March 07, 2016, 10:02:31 PM
Our club is looking an u16 challenge game on Saturday before heading onto Newry for Down v Dublin. PM me if you can help/interested. Our 16s are pretty good.
apres,I'll be keeping an eye out for your "pretty good" U16's as the year goes on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 07, 2016, 10:42:27 PM
Our manager has been so guarded in his public comments that it is difficult to know whether he is quietly finalising a championship plan or operating a damage limitation exercise. However, he deserves considerable sympathy over the number of players unavailable to him for a variety of reasons.

We were obviously fortunate to be promoted last season and we needed to at least retain our key performers and bring back some experienced faces if we were going to compete in D1. Instead, we have Laverty and Fitzpaptrick taking an indefinite break, McArdle and the Johnston brothers suffering long term injuries, Mooney reportedly having a hamstring problem and both McConville and Downey also apparently ruled out with knocks. We now know that Gordon, the best midfielder in the county, is gone, together with Benny, who might have been an impact sub, and there is no word if or when Clarke may return.

Burns had no option other than to bring in new recruits, whether some of them were ready or not, and the results against the best sides in the country have been fairly predictable. It is a depressing time, but we can only pass a proper judgment in the summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 08, 2016, 10:31:03 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 07, 2016, 10:42:27 PM
Our manager has been so guarded in his public comments that it is difficult to know whether he is quietly finalising a championship plan or operating a damage limitation exercise. However, he deserves considerable sympathy over the number of players unavailable to him for a variety of reasons.

We were obviously fortunate to be promoted last season and we needed to at least retain our key performers and bring back some experienced faces if we were going to compete in D1. Instead, we have Laverty and Fitzpaptrick taking an indefinite break, McArdle and the Johnston brothers suffering long term injuries, Mooney reportedly having a hamstring problem and both McConville and Downey also apparently ruled out with knocks. We now know that Gordon, the best midfielder in the county, is gone, together with Benny, who might have been an impact sub, and there is no word if or when Clarke may return.

Burns had no option other than to bring in new recruits, whether some of them were ready or not, and the results against the best sides in the country have been fairly predictable. It is a depressing time, but we can only pass a proper judgment in the summer.
Good analysis there although I have passed judgement I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 09, 2016, 10:16:05 AM
The league is not the sole indicator of championship ability, but increasingly it has been the case that top league performances reap good championship campaigns. Of course some teams may be rebuilding during the league and we are certainly one of those teams.

That is about as optimistic as I can say because I do not see a rebuilding process. What I see is a lot of new players being tried out but without a clear system or style of play. That is not rebuilding, if anything at best it is replacing.

I will say that burns does seem to want to play more direct football and that is interesting. But generally I do not see anything that indicates prepared movement of the players, it all seems reactionary and individual. Also it seems like the only training focuses around not losing possession in tight spaces, but no indication that there is any real idea of what to do once possession has been secured, except to run it into another tight space so as to recycle it because that's what teh boys have trained to be good at.

I'd be content to lose if I saw the team play to a set pattern and, even though losing, stuck with it and improved game after game, got slicker at using the system they have chosen. Instead we are at the same level game after game. So, sadly, come summer I find it hard to believe that there will be much improvement to judge favourably.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on March 09, 2016, 07:00:29 PM
Not a lot to be happy about at the moment, how are the minors and u21's I reason to believe if either of them teams will do well this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 09, 2016, 10:15:45 PM
Is there any word of the u21 panel yet with championship next week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Highlander3 on March 10, 2016, 08:34:52 PM
Quote from: wobbller on March 10, 2016, 09:44:50 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 09, 2016, 10:15:45 PM
Is there any word of the u21 panel yet with championship next week?
Each County panel should have a liaison person to give the County supporter info
on how each of our Teams are going.Special Branch secrecy prevails.

Agreed, anyone know how they have been doing in friendlies?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on March 11, 2016, 03:44:36 PM
HEARD U21S WON A TOURNAMENT IN LAOIS OR SOMEWHERE
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 12, 2016, 12:20:51 AM
Dublin coming to town is always a great occasion even if the circumstances are not quite ideal. McKernan replaces Mallon and Darren O'Hagan comes in for Collins, but there are no other changes listed. We can only get there early and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on March 12, 2016, 06:55:16 PM
Having seen Dublin team, we don't have good enough defenders,bookies reckon Dublin by at least 8 pts, I'm thinking 15pts at a canter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on March 12, 2016, 10:15:53 PM
First to admit I was wrong , but  was there enough there to look forward to the next outing ,maybe. Cluxtons  mistake was totally unexpected but you have to take all that's given, but Dublin have some strength in depth.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 12, 2016, 10:27:52 PM
Dublin won at ease but down at least showed some signs of improvement and some fight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 12, 2016, 10:37:53 PM
At the risk of clutching at straws, and accepting that there was a huge gulf in class on the field, we actually put in a reasonable shift tonight, looked better organised in key areas and certainly improving noticeably on our last two home games. Dublin were miles ahead of us, as they are of most sides, but a display like that against Monaghan in the championship would us at least a degree of hope, even if we find ourselves in the qualifiers.

Cunningham was our man of the match and impressed from start to finish. The majority of his kick-outs were well placed, no mean feat against a team as fit as Dublin, he was solid under the dropping ball, made a couple of fine stops and had no chance with their goal.

Our full back line also did well, with Gerard McGovern settling into his role and genuinely unlucky not to get a goal when he pushed up, and O'Hagan and Collins very competitive.

The half backs found it much tougher against an outstanding line of Flynn, Kilkenny and Connolly, but the latter was largely negated by Conail McGovern's clever sweeping. While O'Hanlon is still young, and did take one fine point, his distribution is regularly poor and he still tends to shoot wides from distance rather than picking out a forward.

McKay had an impressive opening period at midfield before he understandably tired and Turley was as determined as ever even though the referee did him few favours.

McKernan will be annoyed with himself over the early black card, Mallon has had better days and Maginn worked tirelessly without often hurting Dublin.

Barry O'Hagan only played in bursts but O'Hare was much more involved than of late, hit his frees confidently and probably deserved the slice of good fortune behind his goal

Murphy looked the part when he replaced McKernan and must start the next day, while all the subs contributed with Devlin the liveliest.

We are still in a tough place, and obviously heading back to where we really belong in D2, but performances like tonight in our last two fixtures will give us at least something to build on for the summer.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 13, 2016, 08:45:12 AM
We put in our best home performance of the year but still fell away short to the all Ireland champions
It looked like Dublin had another gear or 2 but we done ok against them
Our best players IMO were the 2 mc governs,Murphy,o hare won every all that came in but lacks a treat in front of goal
Our kickouts are still a massive problem.Our 2 midfielders got completely cleaned out last night.For 20 minutes in the first half we never touched the ball.
Does anyone know the latest with Mooneys injury and will we see him get any game time before we play Monaghan in the championship?I would be of the opinion that he needs matches to get up to speed and to work on his skill
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on March 13, 2016, 08:49:40 AM
At a minimum you like to see desire, heart, a bit of fight. We got that in spades last night. Qualit was still well short of where it needs to be but it was much more heartening than say against Kerry. This level of commitment HAS to be our starting point now and build towards the Monaghan game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 14, 2016, 08:49:28 PM
Hard to believe that last Saturday night against the dubs could be down's last home match until the McKenna cup next January. A home draw in the qualifiers (unlikely knowing our luck) or a replay with Monaghan is the only chance of seeing the senior side in newry again this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 14, 2016, 09:17:58 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 14, 2016, 08:49:28 PM
Hard to believe that last Saturday night against the dubs could be down's last home match until the McKenna cup next January. A home draw in the qualifiers (unlikely knowing our luck) or a replay with Monaghan is the only chance of seeing the senior side in newry again this year.

Very good point. A full house in the Marshes is a great buzz....pity it probably won't happen until 2017...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 14, 2016, 11:25:48 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 14, 2016, 09:17:58 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 14, 2016, 08:49:28 PM
Hard to believe that last Saturday night against the dubs could be down's last home match until the McKenna cup next January. A home draw in the qualifiers (unlikely knowing our luck) or a replay with Monaghan is the only chance of seeing the senior side in newry again this year.

Very good point. A full house in the Marshes is a great buzz....pity it probably won't happen until 2017...
It wasn't a full house on Sat night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 15, 2016, 09:20:43 AM
Quote from: SamFever on March 14, 2016, 11:25:48 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on March 14, 2016, 09:17:58 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 14, 2016, 08:49:28 PM
Hard to believe that last Saturday night against the dubs could be down's last home match until the McKenna cup next January. A home draw in the qualifiers (unlikely knowing our luck) or a replay with Monaghan is the only chance of seeing the senior side in newry again this year.

Very good point. A full house in the Marshes is a great buzz....pity it probably won't happen until 2017...
It wasn't a full house on Sat night.
The Dubs didn't travel in great numbers other than their season ticket holders who need their tickets stamped when it comes to the allocation of the near customary All Ireland tickets.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 16, 2016, 09:52:40 AM
Could someone name the rough panel or list of players available for tonights U21 game against Armagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on March 16, 2016, 12:31:27 PM
The Irish News tweeting this morning that Mooney has quit the panel. You wouldn't know for sure if its actually true.

Why do the best players in the county not want to play for Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 16, 2016, 12:46:47 PM
Mooney is maybe the fastest but I have my doubts whether he's amongst the best.

But to answer you question - I don't know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 16, 2016, 03:11:22 PM
Always had a feeling that Mooney  in danger of falling off the radar similar to Kyle Coney. He hasnt made the imact we were all hoping for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on March 16, 2016, 03:25:41 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 16, 2016, 03:11:22 PM
Always had a feeling that Mooney  in danger of falling off the radar similar to Kyle Coney. He hasnt made the imact we were all hoping for.
I think you are doing Coney a disservice,at least he has done something at Senior level for Club and County.Mooney has done nothing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 16, 2016, 05:49:23 PM
I still think Mooney will be a big miss this year.Even to have the experience in the changing rooms will be a blow?Any word of to why he has quit?Any rostrevor posters shed any light?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 16, 2016, 07:47:50 PM
Who knows really except the lad himself. I heard he played for Rostrevor during the week and was impressive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 16, 2016, 08:03:57 PM
Really is depressing stuff. Watching all the senior lads and now mooney bot commit. There are so many good footballers in the county who aren't available for various reasons. Let's hope the u21's can give us something to cheer about tonight. Could someone post the team and their clubs if they get a chance.cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 16, 2016, 08:15:24 PM
U21's 5 pts down after 15 mins according to hoganstand. Haven't even scored. Bleaker it gets.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 16, 2016, 08:38:52 PM
Half time: Down 0-3 Armagh 3-8. Embarrassing stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 16, 2016, 08:41:29 PM
Truly awful stuff from U21's, really looking extremely bleak from an underage prospective in the county!  Where do we go from here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 16, 2016, 09:29:59 PM
Full time: Down 0-9 Armagh 5-16. Enough said.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on March 16, 2016, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: snoopdoglink=topic=25.msg1568056#msg1568056 date=1458158637
Really is depressing stuff. Watching all the senior lads and now mooney bot commit. There are so many good footballers in the county who aren't available for various reasons. Let's hope the u21's can give us something to cheer about tonight. Could someone post the team and their clubs if they get a chance.cheers

Lads town and country know Mooney went on a bender the week before Donegal game, he was disciplined and subsequently suffered a hamstring problem (smoke screen).
He obviously thinks he's the kid about town and could do what he pleased as opposed to towing the line and leading on the field instead of in the papers.

He is a fantastic athlete, truth is he has been badly handled in terms of the amount of favoura/strokes that were pulled to get him playing college football and now it seems he thinks everything will fall into place without him knuckling down.

He had a decision to make, couple hard work and humility with his undoubted ability but unfortunately it appears he wants the easy life and didn't like having his wings clipped!!

Everyone loses
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 16, 2016, 09:47:01 PM
Quote from: A man from Down on March 16, 2016, 12:31:27 PM
The Irish News tweeting this morning that Mooney has quit the panel. You wouldn't know for sure if its actually true.

Why do the best players in the county not want to play for Down?
The so called 'best' of our U21 yplayers were playing for Down tonight,14 pts down at halftime and ended up getting destroyed by 22.We left five minutes into the second half.Embarassing for all concerned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 16, 2016, 11:01:16 PM
We are a shambles. Absolute embarrassment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redzone on March 16, 2016, 11:08:17 PM
Tough on any team to take a hammering like that. But anyone who leaves 5 minutes into the second half is not a genuine supporter. Wobbler take a hike
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 16, 2016, 11:19:13 PM
Quote from: redzone on March 16, 2016, 11:08:17 PM
Tough on any team to take a hammering like that. But anyone who leaves 5 minutes into the second half is not a genuine supporter. Wobbler take a hike
Genuine supporter? Lunatic more like.I shouldn't gone at all.Frank Dawson was/is a good Club Manager but can't do it at County Level and the clowns that appointed him again this year were well warned by his Antrim experience and his woeful performance in Celtic Park in last year's  U21 game against Derry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 16, 2016, 11:41:21 PM
The vibes coming out of the u21 camp were not good and it almost looked as though we had sent out a minor side by mistake. We lost possession pretty dreadfully for both of Armagh's first two goals, gave away two early black cards through poor discipline and the game was effectively over after about 20 minutes. The second half was a training run for Armagh even before our red card and we only managed two points from play in the entire game. Losing by 22 points to our main rivals must be some sort of record, but it was probably not that much of a surprise. Our underage structures have been neglected for many years and it will take quite a while to reverse the trends. In fairness, Armagh are a fine team with a particularly strong spine but they were not tested at any stage. Whether anyone will take responsibility for appointing the u21 management, and then allowing what appeared totally inadequate preparations to follow, remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 17, 2016, 12:07:27 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 16, 2016, 11:41:21 PM
The vibes coming out of the u21 camp were not good and it almost looked as though we had sent out a minor side by mistake. We lost possession pretty dreadfully for both of Armagh's first two goals, gave away two early black cards through poor discipline and the game was effectively over after about 20 minutes. The second half was a training run for Armagh even before our red card and we only managed two points from play in the entire game. Losing by 22 points to our main rivals must be some sort of record, but it was probably not that much of a surprise. Our underage structures have been neglected for many years and it will take quite a while to reverse the trends. In fairness, Armagh are a fine team with a particularly strong spine but they were not tested at any stage. Whether anyone will take responsibility for appointing the u21 management, and then allowing what appeared totally inadequate preparations to follow, remains to be seen.
The header that Dawson is,was confirmed when this panel had actually been getting together 4 weeks after last year's defeat and they continued periodic training throughout the period after McCorry resigned and the powers that be let him do it and then shoehorned his appointment through afterwards.We've read and heard so much about the Down Way over this past 6 or 7 years that it has really begun to pay such rich dividends for our County.Shame on those to speak this way and worse too the apostles that follow the Down Way.Amen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on March 17, 2016, 12:19:31 AM
No spine to the down team at all bar o hagan Armagh just came through at will.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on March 17, 2016, 12:24:45 AM
No defensive system whatsoever, terrible kickout strategy and attacking play was non-existent, what exactly have they been doing in training all this time??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on March 17, 2016, 07:24:23 AM
Is this really the best Down has to offer at u21 level, we were shocking. We can blame the management all we want but ultimately the players do the playing.If that is the best 20 we have, it confirms Down football is in a bad state.We can blame all but we must focus in on the root problem , the county executive who appoint and fire at will.Now is the time for a change at the top,Sean og McAteer must go, no more excuses he along with the whole executive have to go.
The root causes of our problem is our coaching structure and our lack of a centre where we can concentrate on our youth to develop teams that will compete.
What I seen against Armagh was an embarrassment , the performance was truely shocking.From no 1 right through to the last sub it was dire, only glimmer was no 20 Harney andhe's too small.On that performance there is no player in the u21 panel remotely capable of playing senior inter county football.
The keeper was indifferent made two penalty saves but gifted Armagh two goals, the defence couldn't mark or tackle,midfield got cleaned out and the forwards despite being camped in the Armagh half for the first 6 mins could not get a score.They preferred to shoot from silly angles and get blocked down, it was shocking .
Along the sideline ,Dawson Mason and Murray might be good coaches but they must be blinkered or blind, if Armagh are as good as the score line suggests why did we not set up accordingly, managers are supposed to manage , after 10 mins it was obvious the ball coming into nos 11 and 14 would kill us if we didn't stem the source or prevent the ball getting to these guys by employing 1 or even 2 sweepers,No,we went toe to toe and got hammered.
Lastly overhaul the coaching structure , get new blood in, get these coaches to be accountable, get them to compile reports on young players with potential and develop these guys, I can only hope and pray James and his minors give us some hope, because that last night together with some abject senior team performances does not fill me with hope for the future.
RANT OVER. KEEP THE FAITH
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 17, 2016, 08:41:02 AM
That last night was simply atrocious from the first minute until the last.
These lads have been doing strength and conditioning together as a group from august last year.The minds boggles.What have these lads been doing this past 9 months to put in a performance like that?
The whole set up in Down football at the minute is totally shocking
Where we go from here I do not know?Not one of those lads that lined out for Down last night will ever step up to seniors
A clear out from top to bottom is needed.if the top table haven't the balls to sort this out they should walk themselves.Get fresh blood in to move this county forward
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on March 17, 2016, 09:51:07 AM
WTF. This panel has been together for months now and that is the best we can put together. I know everyone has to take responsibility and ultimately if the players do the business then they stand a good chance of winning, we never looked like winning. Marking was very slack, the team played as individuals, we continually gave simple possession away, there was little movement up front and tackling non existent all over the field. The management must shoulder blame as well.  There were no evident tactics, the team did not look fit, there were absolutely no positional changes made during the whole game just substitutions coming in, they looked out of their depth along the line. We needed a sweeper or defensively set up team once Armagh were scoring goals in the first half and getting easy ball into the full forward line and all the do is drop a half fit half forward back to fill space and he hadn't a clue what he was at. We are in a very low place at the minute and I don't see it getting any better in the near future unless the minors can do something. Depressing or what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on March 17, 2016, 11:40:52 AM
This team has been together from last April, u would swear they met at 7 last nite, no system, no team play all individuals. Midfield was a wiped out, cj Barr and big Aaron Magee from the point the best player by a mile I seen in the recent Down u21 championship cudnt even make the 24. Donal Mc keever on the senior panel not even picked for u21s!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 17, 2016, 12:38:12 PM
SDG, McKeever was unavailable through injury, but that does not change the fact that our performance last night was a shambles. If there was a game plan, then it was either a complete failure or the players did not understand it in the first place. There did not appear to be any attempt to counteract Armagh's well known strengths at centre half back and midfield, and they were able to pick out all the members of their excellent full forward line without being placed under any form of pressure. The changes we introduced were totally ineffective, and it was the worst overall display by a Down side at any grade for a very long time. There should be an investigation at county board level into our preparations for the fixture, not to point fingers but to learn lessons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on March 18, 2016, 07:33:30 AM
I have to agree with Sam, but I would go one step further in saying we have a business which currently turns over in excess of 1 million pds per annum ,and the performance on the field at all levels is not acceptable, we now should be taking steps to remove the executive.I am calling on the county board to call for an EGM , supported by the club chairmen and vote in a new executive.If our board reps and club chairmen don't do this we will see a repeat of the u21s performance time and time again.
I know my club and the majority of east down clubs would support such a call. Enough is enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 18, 2016, 09:05:27 AM
We're all behind you CTC, now just you lead the way and we will all follow.
A visionary and revolutionary figure like you is whats needed.
Im in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on March 18, 2016, 10:01:52 AM
Did anyone happen to watch the MacRory final yesterday? There were a few Down men on the St Pauls team according to commentary. Couple of men from An Riocht and a corner forward from Burren.

Why are these lads not playing for Down schools? St Colmans or the Abbey. Even one of the high schools like St Marks or St Malachys in Castlewellan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on March 18, 2016, 10:06:17 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 18, 2016, 09:05:27 AM
We're all behind you CTC, now just you lead the way and we will all follow.
A visionary and revolutionary figure like you is whats needed.
Im in.
Easy rhetoric from behind a keyboard. A tad more difficult to organise in real world. Perhaps we need assistance from Antrim guys who organised their "coup "' st end of last year .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 18, 2016, 11:06:19 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on March 17, 2016, 07:24:23 AM
...We can blame the management all we want but ultimately the players do the playing. If that is the best 20 we have, it confirms Down football is in a bad state. We can blame all but we must focus in on the root problem , the county executive who appoint and fire at will.Now is the time for a change at the top,Sean og McAteer must go...

I am confused, Why Sean Og? I mean how would replacing him help?

My understanding is that his role is administrative and has no real influence on team selection or tactics. Ok he is one of several people who ratify the choice of manager but I can't see how replacing him improves our performances on the field. I know a couple of former county secretaries pretty well and they had no involvement in the playing choices of the manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: spirit0f91and94 on March 18, 2016, 12:24:57 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on March 18, 2016, 07:33:30 AM
I have to agree with Sam, but I would go one step further in saying we have a business which currently turns over in excess of 1 million pds per annum ,and the performance on the field at all levels is not acceptable, we now should be taking steps to remove the executive.I am calling on the county board to call for an EGM , supported by the club chairmen and vote in a new executive.If our board reps and club chairmen don't do this we will see a repeat of the u21s performance time and time again.
I know my club and the majority of east down clubs would support such a call. Enough is enough.

WTF are you drinking?
Name your club and the clubs to follow you...
Is it any wonder we are doomed....🍩🍩
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on March 18, 2016, 06:38:24 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on March 18, 2016, 10:01:52 AM
Did anyone happen to watch the MacRory final yesterday? There were a few Down men on the St Pauls team according to commentary. Couple of men from An Riocht and a corner forward from Burren.

Why are these lads not playing for Down schools? St Colmans or the Abbey. Even one of the high schools like St Marks or St Malachys in Castlewellan.

I was at the game. Liam Kerr, Burren, (right corner forward) was St Pauls best player by some distance. Conor Clarke (An Rioct) LHB had a fair game. I was told at the match yesterday that St Pauls send a taxi to pick him up every morning fron Kilkeel and leave him home in the evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Captain barnacles on March 18, 2016, 11:21:43 PM
Yes I suppose all St Colmans and Abbbey lads are all from Down, not. In any case the way things are maybe they are better off playing with an Armagh school, they might actually learn how to play a bit of football. This is a nonsense statement anyway, it's not as if Bessbrook is a million miles from Newry and in any case because it's a comprehensive it draws on players of all levels of academic ability, not just the elite few. Funny enough when you think about it is St Pats Maghera not a comprehensive as well, and is St Ronans not the same? Maybe the lack of success of Down football is related to the demise of the elite academic institutions as football elite. Time for new thinking to replace what were the nurseries of the great teams of the past.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 19, 2016, 10:35:54 AM
Academic requirements are usually waived if you're a good enough player at the age of 16.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Captain barnacles on March 19, 2016, 09:55:54 PM
Fair enough but I'd suggest neither the Abbey or St Colmans benefit hugely at post 16 from new blood and anyway when did secondary school education start at 16? The fact is schools like St Paul's are now making an impact because they don't see themselves as elite. Down football can't depend on the old establishment any more. Times have changed and if the u21 result v Armagh is anything to go by Down football really does need to have a good look at itself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 19, 2016, 10:37:51 PM
Quote from: Captain barnacles on March 19, 2016, 09:55:54 PM
Fair enough but I'd suggest neither the Abbey or St Colmans benefit hugely at post 16 from new blood and anyway when did secondary school education start at 16? The fact is schools like St Paul's are now making an impact because they don't see themselves as elite. Down football can't depend on the old establishment any more. Times have changed and if the u21 result v Armagh is anything to go by Down football really does need to have a good look at itself.

I'm not disagreeing with those points and I think effectively 'buying' a MacRory (or as close as a college can come to it) is not the right approach. Schools should be developing players from first year through to when they leave rather than trying to attract the likes of Mooney in at 16. I know virtually nothing about the College but I think the management at the Abbey needs a looking at also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on March 19, 2016, 11:31:04 PM
Down football is a complete shambles at the minute. No point denying it... We are 10 years behind every other decent county. Underage structure is pathetic ,the development are a complete waste of space. Boys at 15-18 say that development squads meet up once a month for a kick around in the abbey or college. Whereas donegal/Tyrone/Derry development squads meet up once or twice a week and actually have proper structures such as top class coaches and gym programs to work on etc.
Down expect clubs to do all the work to produce the players.... Results from the last few minor and under 21 championship results show this... Beaten in first round

Worrying times ahead for this county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on March 20, 2016, 11:28:24 PM
To spirit of 91 and 94, I'd say the east down clubs would definitely vote the present county executive out along with at least half of the south down clubs.We are in a terrible mess , get rid of the county secretary and instead have an unpaid secretary similar to Armagh set up .
Biggest problem is any coup will gave to be started by what was fondly called the Hilltown Mafia.
One final point I will make is we are stuck with Sean og for the next 5 years if nothing is done and who knows where we will be financially and on the field of play given our secretary has considerable influence in both areas.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 21, 2016, 07:57:38 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on March 20, 2016, 11:28:24 PM
To spirit of 91 and 94, I'd say the east down clubs would definitely vote the present county executive out along with at least half of the south down clubs.We are in a terrible mess , get rid of the county secretary and instead have an unpaid secretary similar to Armagh set up .
Biggest problem is any coup will gave to be started by what was fondly called the Hilltown Mafia.
One final point I will make is we are stuck with Sean og for the next 5 years if nothing is done and who knows where we will be financially and on the field of play given our secretary has considerable influence in both areas.
Most definitely a drink fuelled post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on March 21, 2016, 08:07:11 AM
It's now 8 in morning, Ross andSpirit, what's the alternative, if it was a business or a professional team, the executive along with the secretary would have gone long ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on March 21, 2016, 10:26:03 PM
I know I'm right , you know that nothing will change unless the south down club chairmen grow a set and instigate a change,it won't happen otherwise.
If such a change doesn't take place we are in for a lot of managerial changes and many short championship campaigns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 22, 2016, 12:49:13 PM
There are umpteen problems with Down football at present. So many I can't count.

But the one that annoys me the most is when people create drama and angst from the mythical line that separates east and south.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 22, 2016, 01:54:02 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 22, 2016, 12:49:13 PM
There are umpteen problems with Down football at present. So many I can't count.

But the one that annoys me the most is when people create drama and angst from the mythical line that separates east and south.
the great wall near Kilcoo :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on March 22, 2016, 07:15:46 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 22, 2016, 01:54:02 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 22, 2016, 12:49:13 PM
There are umpteen problems with Down football at present. So many I can't count.

But the one that annoys me the most is when people create drama and angst from the mythical line that separates east and south.
the great wall near Kilcoo :)

A brave wall it is til 😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 22, 2016, 08:58:23 PM
Anyone travelling at the weekend to Cork?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on March 22, 2016, 11:43:52 PM
 Weekend in Dublin for us this weekend.A bit of nostalgia instead of another drubbing although Cork is a great place to stay over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 24, 2016, 02:07:00 PM
RIP Brendan Sloan who passed away today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 24, 2016, 02:19:49 PM
Rip  am I right in saying he wasn't even 20 when he won an all ireland in 68
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 24, 2016, 02:27:39 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 24, 2016, 02:19:49 PM
Rip  am I right in saying he wasn't even 20 when he won an all ireland in 68

Yep...as were Colm McAlarney, John Murphy, John Purdy, Mickey Cole and Peter Rooney...all part of the 66 minor team beaten by Mayo in the AIF
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 25, 2016, 12:47:16 AM
In 1966, we won the Ulster senior and minor titles on the same day for the only time in our history. It may be a little while before we repeat the achievement, so we need to acknowledge outstanding individuals like Brendan Sloan. It is also worth remembering that arguably the most talented player on the 1966 minor side, Dalsey Mooney, whose career was sadly cut short by injury, also died at an early age last year. They will always be our heroes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 25, 2016, 01:00:22 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 25, 2016, 12:47:16 AM
In 1966, we won the Ulster senior and minor titles on the same day for the only time in our history. It may be a little while before we repeat the achievement, so we need to acknowledge outstanding individuals like Brendan Sloan. It is also worth remembering that arguably the most talented player on the 1966 minor side, Dalsey Mooney, whose career was sadly cut short by injury, also died at an early age last year. They will always be our heroes.

Well said MR. We had a serious amount of talent in the early and late 60s when you think about it. I know that Ross Carr always speaks very highly of Dalsey Mooney. He must have been some player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on March 25, 2016, 10:57:40 AM
I have seen Dalsey Mooney playing in 60's The 1966 Feis Seven final between Liatriom and Clonduff was the game I will never forget. Its Dalsey v Colm McAlarney. no other player scored only those 2. Dalsey outscored Colm to win Feis Seven. massive crowd in those days.

Brendan Sloan was great player at right full back on Down senior team of 1968. RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 27, 2016, 02:42:38 PM
0-04 to 0-03 to Cork at half time.

At 3 points to no score I believed we might go in at half time on top for the first time this year, but unfortunately it was not to be and normality has resumed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 27, 2016, 02:54:30 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on March 27, 2016, 02:42:38 PM
0-04 to 0-03 to Cork at half time.

At 3 points to no score I believed we might go in at half time on top for the first time this year, but unfortunately it was not to be and normality has resumed.
Following Down long enough to know they always let you Down. Majority of time anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 27, 2016, 02:59:17 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 27, 2016, 02:54:30 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on March 27, 2016, 02:42:38 PM
0-04 to 0-03 to Cork at half time.

At 3 points to no score I believed we might go in at half time on top for the first time this year, but unfortunately it was not to be and normality has resumed.
Following Down long enough to know they always let you Down. Majority of time anyway.

Heart gets the better of the head every single time though.


Now 0-07 to 0-03.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 27, 2016, 05:14:52 PM
Well that's division one over for another few years. We're unlikely to get much from Mayo, or Monaghan in the championship, so a tough qualifier draw could see the senior team go through 2016 without beating another county.
The Under 21s were not up to it so lets hope the minors can do something.
So what have we learned in the last 12 months ? Nobody could be bothered reading long rants so I'll be brief as I can.

There are structural problems at executive level. There is too much power vested in the main paid employee. The County Board has got committed people, some excellent, some far from it. Due to mismanagement of underage teams and structures there is limited talent coming through but there is still enough talent to make us competitive.

Mc Corry was stubborn but got commitment from an average group of players. The Kilcoo lads epitomise this but could have shown more loyalty to the county at a time of need in Wexford. The County Executive knew what they were getting when they appointed Mc Corry and should have had the courage to stand over their decision. Having not covered themselves in glory it was no surprise that they found that strong candidates were weary about taking on the role of manager.

Whoever took on the post was going to struggle, especially when key men weren't available. Eamon Burns is honest and well liked but it's not clear that he has a plan. Division 1 is merciless and, apart from Clones, it has been a campaign to forget. I struggle to find positives going into the championship but maybe someone else can ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on March 27, 2016, 05:37:35 PM
Well put Dubh , all points covered, no disputing the facts, my question would be where do we go from here, the only thing worse than playing in Div 2 is falling further into Div3 , it's how we recover , it's going to take an  over haul of under age coaching at county level, the coaches have to be accountable and judged on the success of our under age teams at school and inter county level.
Next up the county executive , remove any power they have in selection of any county team manager, for far to long , members of that executive have elected themselves unto selection panels to interview , appoint and then seek to fire team managers, some of these guys never played football at any decent level. If county board reps seek election to the executive it should be to administrate and improve the county infrastructure and God knows we need some good ones after the debacle of Burrenbridge and the unholy mess our county senior football team finds itself in.Maybe we don't have the players at present but let's not be to proud to acknowledge and perhaps copy the set ups in other counties.We were once innovators and other counties followed us , maybe it's time for a spot of role reversal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 27, 2016, 10:51:48 PM
Our senior team has now lost 11 competitive matches on the bounce against inter-county opposition over the last 12 months, which is probably our worst run in 60 years or more. We have been equally disappointing at underage level in recent seasons, culminating in our u21s collapsing to a 22-point hammering at home to Armagh last month in what may well have been the most atrocious performance by any Down side in living memory. Given that we lost All Ireland finals by a single point in 2009 (u21) and 2010 (senior), and we have subsequently spent four of the last six years in the league's top division, it has been a dramatic decline by any standards which goes beyond  individual managerial appointments. If the rest of this season follows the same pattern, as most Down supporters fear may well happen, there is an overwhelming case for an independent review of our structures leading to fundamental overall changes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on March 28, 2016, 08:32:37 PM
We have already tried to change things at underage but I'm not sure if these will make much difference.  The appointment of James Mc Cartan is extremely positive and they had a good win over Cavan on Saturday and ran Monaghan close the week before.  They have held extensive training sessions and trials, putting together a decent panel at present.  If anyone can get the best out of them, then James can.  The development squads have been revamped I believe and I know that the U.17 team play after the minor league games.  Steven Poacher is over the U.17 squad but I haven't heard much about how they are going and I think there are some other decent coaches involved as well. The creation of the Mourne Academy is another positive move which was meant to identify talent at U.15, U.16 and U.17 but I have heard both good/bad aspects about this and only time will tell whether it has been be successful or not.  The U.21's has been the most disappointing part of our development and considering the time they had to pick a panel and train extensively, putting in a performance which was one of the worst I have ever witnessed is just not good enough.  Someone told me that for two years now we have not had any U.21 players on the senior panel, never mind starters for the senior team.  If this is the case then our current senior squad, the worst in living memory, do not have any up and coming players good enough to play of break through in the next 12/18 months.  I'm not even going to get into the County Board but the lack of serious investment, on many fronts, has us in the current mess we are in with the incompetence in of many individuals having cost us dearly and we continue to pay for this, also on many fronts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 28, 2016, 08:52:34 PM
A lot of good posts there lads, hard for anyone to argue against anything posted above. Depressing times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 28, 2016, 09:00:52 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 27, 2016, 10:51:48 PM
Our senior team has now lost 11 competitive matches on the bounce against inter-county opposition over the last 12 months, which is probably our worst run in 60 years or more. We have been equally disappointing at underage level in recent seasons, culminating in our u21s collapsing to a 22-point hammering at home to Armagh last month in what may well have been the most atrocious performance by any Down side in living memory. Given that we lost All Ireland finals by a single point in 2009 (u21) and 2010 (senior), and we have subsequently spent four of the last six years in the league's top division, it has been a dramatic decline by any standards which goes beyond  individual managerial appointments. If the rest of this season follows the same pattern, as most Down supporters fear may well happen, there is an overwhelming case for an independent review of our structures leading to fundamental overall changes.
When Mourne Rover (who has been  usually fair and mild in the past) is calling for an Independent Review it is definitely time for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on March 28, 2016, 09:50:55 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 28, 2016, 09:00:52 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 27, 2016, 10:51:48 PM
Our senior team has now lost 11 competitive matches on the bounce against inter-county opposition over the last 12 months, which is probably our worst run in 60 years or more. We have been equally disappointing at underage level in recent seasons, culminating in our u21s collapsing to a 22-point hammering at home to Armagh last month in what may well have been the most atrocious performance by any Down side in living memory. Given that we lost All Ireland finals by a single point in 2009 (u21) and 2010 (senior), and we have subsequently spent four of the last six years in the league's top division, it has been a dramatic decline by any standards which goes beyond  individual managerial appointments. If the rest of this season follows the same pattern, as most Down supporters fear may well happen, there is an overwhelming case for an independent review of our structures leading to fundamental overall changes.
When Mourne Rover (who has been  usually fair and mild in the past) is calling for an Independent Review it is definitely time for it.
Agreed re Mourne Rover but so far there are lots of posters mainly highlighting problems here and not many solutions. Would ask Mourne Rover how would he or she envisage the establishment of such a review. Can you see Turkeys voting for Christmas? This proposal, I imagine , would need to come from a county board delegate or a collective of clubs driving it. Is there  the will drive and energy in the county to push this. . What would be the make up the independent review panel? Am not looking for names but what type of personnel would be considered and appointed by whom? What would be their remit or terms of reference? Whatever we do or however we do it something needs to happen fairly quickly as these are worrying times on all fronts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 28, 2016, 11:12:54 PM
I was at the u 17 Dev squad game on sat it was an awful windy day and was really a tale of 2 halves. Down were leading 3-03 to 0-02 at Ht I think to end up getting beat by 2. If we are serious about developing lads I really fail to see how as per usual with Poucher he played 14 men behind the ball and invited a team on to him which they truly obliged. It was terrible to watch and I really felt for the lad left up on his own. If we think that this is development of young lads I despair how will these lads know any creative flair to win games in later life. We really are in a desperate situation and for the first time in I don't know how long I didn't go on Sunday. The problems are not only coming to light now but have been festering a long time and 2010 only papered over the cracks. The executive of our county move chairs when their time is up in one position thus ensuring a stagnant committee year after year to be honest I believe they don't even want any new blood involved at all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on March 29, 2016, 07:46:07 AM
I think it is time for an open county board meeting with each club providing three delegates and only one item on the clar , the election of an independent review body made up of ex county players  and down people who have a proven business background.
This meeting would be after club meetings who then could come to the county meeting with specific points to be discussed.
If we don't meet and look to restructure  the county executive and all that is bad within Down football we can look forward to a depressing future.
No other county in   Ireland is in the position we are in and if they were , change would not be long happening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on March 29, 2016, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on March 29, 2016, 07:46:07 AM
I think it is time for an open county board meeting with each club providing three delegates and only one item on the clar , the election of an independent review body made up of ex county players  and down people who have a proven business background.
This meeting would be after club meetings who then could come to the county meeting with specific points to be discussed.
If we don't meet and look to restructure  the county executive and all that is bad within Down football we can look forward to a depressing future.
No other county in   Ireland is in the position we are in and if they were , change would not be long happening.
All very well saying this but in our Club the only people who get to go to any County Board meetings are the elder statesmen
who see it as some sort of reward for long service and we here wouldn't get them to bring any such ideas to there.

Hope you can convince your Club to do so but I wouldn't bank on it.Normal (abnormal really) will continue until we are really in the gutter.We're only on the kerb at the minute and I suppose
only a step away from where we need to be for anything to be done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 29, 2016, 01:12:17 PM
As much as I hate to say it would some kind of supporter stance highlight the feeling to the county board. Do the supporters club have any say or sway. Maybe pulling membership of club Down etc and non attendance at county games. Would that get a message across.
As most point out here we won't see change until the county board gets an overhaul. Depressing times. Have we ever lost so many games in a row regardless of division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 30, 2016, 11:02:52 AM
The secondary schools in Down need to take a hard long look at themselves regarding GAA being done in schools
The abbey train as little as they can possibly get away with.Havent looked like competing in mccory level for about 7 years
St Marks don't even train anymore(imagine that team that got beat in the final actually trained)
St Colmans again the tradition they have should be doing better.They used to be the big hitters of school football not anymore
St Joseph's are working with a limited bunch but we should be producing 1-2 players out if this school every few years but we are not.
St Louis has produced nothing really since the team that clarke played in
St Malachys are now run by a rugby man and haven't really been competing like they once did when PJ Magee was head of PE
St Columbans are not producing to the standard that they were years ago when they won an all Ireland but what I will give poacher credit for he certainly puts the work in on the training ground and he puts it all into the GAA
We have lost some great PE teachers over the last 10 years
PJ MAGEE
BARNEY MCALEENAN
TOM CUNNINGHAM
VAL KANE
PETE MCGRATH
RAY MORGAN
SEAN MULHOLLAND
GERARD HUGHES
All massive GAA fanatics and I'm afraid to say bar poacher the rest are not putting in the work
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 30, 2016, 11:35:41 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 30, 2016, 11:02:52 AM
The secondary schools in Down need to take a hard long look at themselves regarding GAA being done in schools
The abbey train as little as they can possibly get away with.Havent looked like competing in mccory level for about 7 years
St Marks don't even train anymore(imagine that team that got beat in the final actually trained)
St Colmans again the tradition they have should be doing better.They used to be the big hitters of school football not anymore
St Joseph's are working with a limited bunch but we should be producing 1-2 players out if this school every few years but we are not.
St Louis has produced nothing really since the team that clarke played in
St Malachys are now run by a rugby man and haven't really been competing like they once did when PJ Magee was head of PE
St Columbans are not producing to the standard that they were years ago when they won an all Ireland but what I will give poacher credit for he

St Colmans won a double all-ireland in 2010/11 that's only a few years ago. There are lads still at the school who attended those matches. So hardly a long fall from grace. This year they went to the McCrory quarter finals and let themselves down as they let it slip against a Lurgan side they were better than, who were then easily beaten by St Pauls (another local school with a Burren corner forward)

As you said St Marks have just finished runners up in an All-Ireland final by a single point

As for the headline cup - MacRory, many of the teams above compete in that tournament so they can't all be winning and reaching finals at the same time. But in the last five years the winners have been 3 Derry, 1 Cavan, 1 Fermanagh. Since 2006 - 3 Tyrone, 3 Derry, 3 Newry, 1 Cavan, 1 Fermanagh. (I say Newry because it is a mix of Down/Armagh)

These numbers aren't that bad. Even St Pat's Maghera went ten years without even reaching a final before their recent run of 3 wins in 4 years.

At a lower level St Colmans got to the Rannfest cup final in 2013.

It's not a huge roll of honour but a few fallow years is hardly a famine!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 30, 2016, 11:51:07 AM
Take Mooney out of them teams and they Woukd not have won.Yes they had players on them teams that are now good players but back then mooney won it for them
St Marks got to the final without training so I think the clubs should take credit for that.
St Colmans and the Abbey should at least be getting to the finals of this competition year in year out
Let's be honest it's not an overly hard competition to win
Pre Christmas 2 teams out of 12 get eliminated and then you are straight into a quarter final after Christmas.So basically play 3 good games you win it
Our underage structures in Down are pathetic
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on March 30, 2016, 12:33:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 30, 2016, 11:51:07 AM
Take Mooney out of them teams and they Woukd not have won.Yes they had players on them teams that are now good players but back then mooney won it for them
St Marks got to the final without training so I think the clubs should take credit for that.
St Colmans and the Abbey should at least be getting to the finals of this competition year in year out
Let's be honest it's not an overly hard competition to win
Pre Christmas 2 teams out of 12 get eliminated and then you are straight into a quarter final after Christmas.So basically play 3 good games you win it
Our underage structures in Down are pathetic

Possibly one of the most ridiculous statements ever made.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 30, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
Quote from: wobbller on March 29, 2016, 02:07:41 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 29, 2016, 01:12:17 PM
As much as I hate to say it would some kind of supporter stance highlight the feeling to the county board. Do the supporters club have any say or sway. Maybe pulling membership of club Down etc and non attendance at county games. Would that get a message across.
As most point out here we won't see change until the county board gets an overhaul. Depressing times. Have we ever lost so many games in a row regardless of division.
At least you can swap over to the Dubs as you're down that direction. Heaven help any young person being able to look forward to anything good happening around Down football.There'll hardly be a sellout on tickets for the supporter's bus(es) at the weekend.
I couldn't do that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 30, 2016, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on March 30, 2016, 12:33:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 30, 2016, 11:51:07 AM
Take Mooney out of them teams and they Woukd not have won.Yes they had players on them teams that are now good players but back then mooney won it for them
St Marks got to the final without training so I think the clubs should take credit for that.
St Colmans and the Abbey should at least be getting to the finals of this competition year in year out
Let's be honest it's not an overly hard competition to win
Pre Christmas 2 teams out of 12 get eliminated and then you are straight into a quarter final after Christmas.So basically play 3 good games you win it
Our underage structures in Down are pathetic


Possibly one of the most ridiculous statements ever made.

Its a notoriously difficult competition to win. My God it can be a minefield as st colmans discovered this year.
And yes Mooney was exceptional for st colmans in their back to back but 1 man doesn't win all irelands. The johnsons etc were  just as influential. A statement like that is nuts it's like sayin they wouldn't have won in the late 80's without wee James for god sake. Yes 1 man can make a difference but he can't do it on his own. I don't remeber Southampton winning much with Le tissier in the  team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 30, 2016, 01:27:03 PM
I don't think the johnstones were as influential as mooney.Take Mooney out of the side and no they would not have won the Hogan
What's so hard with winning 3 games?
Give Poacher the managerial reigns at either St Colmans or Abbey and they would win a hogan within 4 years
That's the difference
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on March 30, 2016, 01:38:16 PM
Catch a grip with yourself. Money fluted in and out of games in both the Hogan teams. Leaders like mc Parland ,Gough the livelys the johnsons were steady men in every game. As for Poucher there is some difference in coaching at c level under no pressure than mc Crory where you are expected to win every year. Some of the things you have come out with are laughable and shows a fascination with slot of people in our county who seem to think things are easily won. You are right that the schools in Down are not helping by their limited coaching but is the clubs doing any better for the lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 30, 2016, 01:44:47 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 30, 2016, 01:27:03 PM
I don't think the johnstones were as influential as mooney.Take Mooney out of the side and no they would not have won the Hogan
What's so hard with winning 3 games?
Give Poacher the managerial reigns at either St Colmans or Abbey and they would win a hogan within 4 years
That's the difference

This right here. Brilliant.
If only his face fit he could solve all our problems.
Damn that non-fitting face of his.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on March 30, 2016, 02:39:59 PM
We have had so many all Ireland winners in the past who attended schools in Downpatrick which have never had the greatest success. But anyway its all about the Newry schools and a couple of the great GAA schools based in ........Kilkeel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on March 30, 2016, 03:38:27 PM
To start blaming the schools is ludicrous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on March 30, 2016, 04:08:21 PM
Mooney was never a player to lead. He drifted in and out of matches, doing very little for ages and then popping up to score a goal and a few points. Shay McCartan was far more influential in the forward line and a better player. Too bad he went to soccer because he would be a county senior now. If Mooney was the only good player then how come Shay McCardle, Jerome Johnston, Ryan Johnston, Ross McGarry, Niall McParland, Connor Gough, Daryl Brannigan and Donal O'Hare all have reperesented Down at senior county level.

As for St Colmans and the Abbey expected to get to the final every year - Well isn't that a bit of an insult to Omagh, Dungannon and Maghera?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 30, 2016, 04:13:25 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on March 30, 2016, 04:08:21 PM
Mooney was never a player to lead. He drifted in and out of matches, doing very little for ages and then popping up to score a goal and a few points. Shay McCartan was far more influential in the forward line and a better player. Too bad he went to soccer because he would be a county senior now. If Mooney was the only good player then how come Shay McCardle, Jerome Johnston, Ryan Johnston, Ross McGarry, Niall McParland, Connor Gough, Daryl Brannigan and Donal O'Hare all have reperesented Down at senior county level.

As for St Colmans and the Abbey expected to get to the final every year - Well isn't that a bit of an insult to Omagh, Dungannon and Maghera?
Yeah Shay McCartan a big loss. I see he scored for norn iron u21's last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 30, 2016, 04:21:37 PM
To say Shay was more of an influence than Mooney is ludicrous
The fact of the matter is if Mooney wasn't playing with St Colmans they would not have won 2 hogans
That's the bottom line
The other players you mention are all decent players now but mooney carried them teams on his own
The reality is his goals at crucial times when St Colmans were behind won them the matches
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on March 30, 2016, 06:22:45 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 30, 2016, 04:21:37 PM
To say Shay was more of an influence than Mooney is ludicrous
The fact of the matter is if Mooney wasn't playing with St Colmans they would not have won 2 hogans
That's the bottom line
The other players you mention are all decent players now but mooney carried them teams on his own
The reality is his goals at crucial times when St Colmans were behind won them the matches

It's not fact as we will never know!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 30, 2016, 10:07:56 PM
Monaghan u21's destroyed Armagh 2-16 to 0-9 in the Ulster semi final tonight in newry, the same Armagh that destroyed down in the 1st round.   :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 30, 2016, 10:39:54 PM
Few results could have made our u21 performance against Armagh any more humiliating but the hammering they got from Monaghan tonight probably managed it. We got destroyed by a side who have turned out to be pretty ordinary, and their conquerers Monaghan are not even the favourites for the competition.  The report to the county board on the entire debacle will be worth waiting for. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on March 31, 2016, 07:31:40 AM
It's time to take county executive to task, I am currently a member of club down and have been since the original development of newry and now I am contemplating stopping my monthly contribution as I've had enough of the total incompetence displayed on all fronts by the down executive. Personally I'm disappointed with our chairman who I was looking to for some leadership, instead we have the secretary who is at the head of everything in down that is failing.No one doubts his appetite for work and that might be his weakness, as it seems nothing happens without his say so.It has been stated on this forum there is a need for new blood at the top table as it seems there is an interchanging of positions each time here is an election, I agree with that thought, but it's how we do it.
If you have any influence at your club bring a motion of no confidence to your club meeting and then bring that via your county board rep to the county board meeting.
Some one asked for a report into what's happened , we waited nearly two years for the last report , I attended meetings where a guy with credentials in irish hockey give us his thoughts on what's wrong and how to fix it, it took 2 yrs for his report to be delivered, if there is to be an inquiry, it should be totally independent and it should be agreed beforehand that any and all recommendations have to be implemented even if it seems going to Croke park to remove our current secretary , other counties have taken this course of action,I have read on this forum the thoughts on schools, underage coaching ,the u21s,and the senior team and it makes for some depressing reading.
I don't like negative critisim , so I'm calling for an independent body without any current executive members to be given a mandate to investigate what's wrong with Down football and deliver it's findings back to the county board at an open meeting and all recommendations to be implemented regardless if they are unpalatable to some.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on March 31, 2016, 08:27:52 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 30, 2016, 11:02:52 AM
The secondary schools in Down need to take a hard long look at themselves regarding GAA being done in schools
The abbey train as little as they can possibly get away with.Havent looked like competing in mccory level for about 7 years
St Marks don't even train anymore(imagine that team that got beat in the final actually trained)
St Colmans again the tradition they have should be doing better.They used to be the big hitters of school football not anymore
St Joseph's are working with a limited bunch but we should be producing 1-2 players out if this school every few years but we are not.
St Louis has produced nothing really since the team that clarke played in
St Malachys are now run by a rugby man and haven't really been competing like they once did when PJ Magee was head of PE
St Columbans are not producing to the standard that they were years ago when they won an all Ireland but what I will give poacher credit for he certainly puts the work in on the training ground and he puts it all into the GAA
We have lost some great PE teachers over the last 10 years
PJ MAGEE
BARNEY MCALEENAN
TOM CUNNINGHAM
VAL KANE
PETE MCGRATH
RAY MORGAN
SEAN MULHOLLAND
GERARD HUGHES
All massive GAA fanatics and I'm afraid to say bar poacher the rest are not putting in the work
Red High,Aquinas,Knock,St Columbanus Bangor and St Josephs Belfast are not included here.Depressing stuff all around the 2nd Level schools throughout Down.Would the the Schools coaches not be better going into this level?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 31, 2016, 08:58:45 AM
Quote from: imagine on March 31, 2016, 08:27:52 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 30, 2016, 11:02:52 AM
The secondary schools in Down need to take a hard long look at themselves regarding GAA being done in schools
The abbey train as little as they can possibly get away with.Havent looked like competing in mccory level for about 7 years
St Marks don't even train anymore(imagine that team that got beat in the final actually trained)
St Colmans again the tradition they have should be doing better.They used to be the big hitters of school football not anymore
St Joseph's are working with a limited bunch but we should be producing 1-2 players out if this school every few years but we are not.
St Louis has produced nothing really since the team that clarke played in
St Malachys are now run by a rugby man and haven't really been competing like they once did when PJ Magee was head of PE
St Columbans are not producing to the standard that they were years ago when they won an all Ireland but what I will give poacher credit for he certainly puts the work in on the training ground and he puts it all into the GAA
We have lost some great PE teachers over the last 10 years
PJ MAGEE
BARNEY MCALEENAN
TOM CUNNINGHAM
VAL KANE
PETE MCGRATH
RAY MORGAN
SEAN MULHOLLAND
GERARD HUGHES
All massive GAA fanatics and I'm afraid to say bar poacher the rest are not putting in the work
Red High,Aquinas,Knock,St Columbanus Bangor and St Josephs Belfast are not included here.Depressing stuff all around the 2nd Level schools throughout Down.Would the the Schools coaches not be better going into this level?

At least we're getting a bit of hurling out of the Red High and OL&SP Knock which is good, but alas nothing from De LaSalle Downpatrick and even St Columba's Portaferry are a shadow of their former selves.

You're right on the coaches though, what level are they working at? Key Stage 2 in the primary schools and then what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 31, 2016, 06:08:14 PM
Some mad as badshit stuff above here. But some good points too.

On the last point though, my gut feeling is that the schools are symptomatic of our problems, rather than being the problem.

Take a look at some of the clubs playing 9-a-side and 13-a-side at the various juvenile football ranks this year. More than a few of them would have be among Down's traditional layers of golden eggs.

I mentioned it before on here and some (a lot) of people don't like hearing it. But the genuine truth is that, in the current climate, for whatever reason, there's too many clubs in Down. Our players are thinned out too far.

By the way, a return to 12-team senior leagues will create an improvement in the next few years. If we can get back down to 10 team leagues it will only help again.

Nothing in this world helps create competitive footballers more than a competitive environment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bend your back on March 31, 2016, 07:56:00 PM
What sort of mad man are you Smurfy, maybe you are that mad man himself? We have all seen the antics of Poucher along the line for years now and you think that this is an acceptable way for a manager who is also a school teacher should behave? And you think that he should be in charge of St Colmans or Abbey or any other school for that matter, do you think that they would accept his behaviour along the line? His latest rant in the Gaelic Life is a total contradiction to his whole approach to football whether that be at club or school level. The first three things he mentions are
1. Be Supportive of the Children. Don't pressurise them into playing and support the decisions they make both on the field and off the field.
2. Give positive praise. Know when to show praise and when to keep quiet, and don't forget to praise other players on the team and also the opposition, show appreciation of good play.

and this one is the biggest joke
3. Be Calm and Composed. If your child gets tackled aggressively or is involved in something contentious, let the referee deal with it and keep control of your emotions. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Maybe we should put him in with the U.21's after the way they performed this year, ah shit that is right he has already been there with Neil Collins when I don't think they won a game in 3 years (Antrim doesn't count).  Maybe he should be put in the development squads, ah shit he is in charge of the U.17's and he is what NP76 thinks of him and his approach

I was at the u 17 Dev squad game on sat it was an awful windy day and was really a tale of 2 halves. Down were leading 3-03 to 0-02 at Ht I think to end up getting beat by 2. If we are serious about developing lads I really fail to see how as per usual with Poucher he played 14 men behind the ball and invited a team on to him which they truly obliged. It was terrible to watch and I really felt for the lad left up on his own. If we think that this is development of young lads I despair how will these lads know any creative flair to win games in later life.

You mentioned many coaches in your first post on this topic and Poucher wouldn't lace their boots as a coach. You also fail to mention or are prepared to ignore the fact that the schools can only do so much and why do you think that the likes of Maghera are so strong, it is because of the work being done in the South Derry clubs like Glen, Slaughneil, Lavey etc.  Apart from Burren, there is little evidence of any worthwhile coaching being done among clubs for the schools to pick from. You also seem to gloss over the fact that the recent winners of the (so easily won) MacRory Cup have no other schools in direct competition, Maghera, Cavan and Enniskillen. In the Newry area you have St Colmans, Abbey, St Marks, St Joseph's and now St Paul's who are all drawing from basically the same pool of players.  Many of the other schools in Ulster Colleges have a 20/30 mile radius of clubs to draw from and could you imagine the team put together if all these schools were able to put 1 team together? You probably know this as you know everything else but now in Cavan and Monaghan schools it is the county coaches who train the teams, supported by the school coaches so is it any wonder many of these schools are doing so well compared to schools in the Newry area. There are many men giving up their time and doing a good job training teams before, during and after school and to say  The secondary schools in Down need to take a hard long look at themselves regarding GAA being done in schools is bullshit.

Just wondering as well what is your fascination with Caolan Mooney and the fact that you only joined this board when he came back from Australia? Half of your posts contain his name, thats an unhealthy obsession  :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on March 31, 2016, 09:09:02 PM
Quote from: bend your back on March 31, 2016, 07:56:00 PM
What sort of mad man are you Smurfy, maybe you are that mad man himself? We have all seen the antics of Poucher along the line for years now and you think that this is an acceptable way for a manager who is also a school teacher should behave? And you think that he should be in charge of St Colmans or Abbey or any other school for that matter, do you think that they would accept his behaviour along the line? His latest rant in the Gaelic Life is a total contradiction to his whole approach to football whether that be at club or school level. The first three things he mentions are
1. Be Supportive of the Children. Don't pressurise them into playing and support the decisions they make both on the field and off the field.
2. Give positive praise. Know when to show praise and when to keep quiet, and don't forget to praise other players on the team and also the opposition, show appreciation of good play.

and this one is the biggest joke
3. Be Calm and Composed. If your child gets tackled aggressively or is involved in something contentious, let the referee deal with it and keep control of your emotions. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Maybe we should put him in with the U.21's after the way they performed this year, ah shit that is right he has already been there with Neil Collins when I don't think they won a game in 3 years (Antrim doesn't count).  Maybe he should be put in the development squads, ah shit he is in charge of the U.17's and he is what NP76 thinks of him and his approach

I was at the u 17 Dev squad game on sat it was an awful windy day and was really a tale of 2 halves. Down were leading 3-03 to 0-02 at Ht I think to end up getting beat by 2. If we are serious about developing lads I really fail to see how as per usual with Poucher he played 14 men behind the ball and invited a team on to him which they truly obliged. It was terrible to watch and I really felt for the lad left up on his own. If we think that this is development of young lads I despair how will these lads know any creative flair to win games in later life.

You mentioned many coaches in your first post on this topic and Poucher wouldn't lace their boots as a coach. You also fail to mention or are prepared to ignore the fact that the schools can only do so much and why do you think that the likes of Maghera are so strong, it is because of the work being done in the South Derry clubs like Glen, Slaughneil, Lavey etc. Apart from Burren, there is little evidence of any worthwhile coaching being done among clubs for the schools to ]. You also seem to gloss over the fact that the recent winners of the (so easily won) MacRory Cup have no other schools in direct competition, Maghera, Cavan and Enniskillen. In the Newry area you have St Columns, Abbey, St Marks, St Joseph's and now St Paul's who are all drawing from basically the same pool of players.  Many of the other schools in Ulster Colleges have a 20/30 mile radius of clubs to draw from and could you imagine the team put together if all these schools were able to put 1 team together? You probably know this as you know everything else but now in Cavan and Monaghan schools it is the county coaches who train the teams, supported by the school coaches so is it any wonder many of these schools are doing so well compared to schools in the Newry area. There are many men giving up their time and doing a good job training teams before, during and after school and to say  The secondary schools in Down need to take a hard long look at themselves regarding GAA being done in schools is bullshit.

Just wondering as well what is your fascination with Caolan Mooney and the fact that you only joined this board when he came back from Australia? Half of your posts contain his name, thats an unhealthy obsession  :-X

Where are you getting this from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 31, 2016, 09:26:15 PM
Good lord what a bizarre rant. And delivered with such an air of authority. But when Maghera is 8 miles from Magherafelt, and 2 schools from Magherafelt met in a Rannafast semi final last season, it's impossible to think anything other than "you're talking out of your hole".

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 31, 2016, 10:12:41 PM
Some Sh-te written alright!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 31, 2016, 10:24:58 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on March 31, 2016, 09:09:02 PM
Quote from: bend your back on March 31, 2016, 07:56:00 PM
What sort of mad man are you Smurfy, maybe you are that mad man himself? We have all seen the antics of Poucher along the line for years now and you think that this is an acceptable way for a manager who is also a school teacher should behave? And you think that he should be in charge of St Colmans or Abbey or any other school for that matter, do you think that they would accept his behaviour along the line? His latest rant in the Gaelic Life is a total contradiction to his whole approach to football whether that be at club or school level. The first three things he mentions are
1. Be Supportive of the Children. Don't pressurise them into playing and support the decisions they make both on the field and off the field.
2. Give positive praise. Know when to show praise and when to keep quiet, and don't forget to praise other players on the team and also the opposition, show appreciation of good play.

and this one is the biggest joke
3. Be Calm and Composed. If your child gets tackled aggressively or is involved in something contentious, let the referee deal with it and keep control of your emotions. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Maybe we should put him in with the U.21's after the way they performed this year, ah shit that is right he has already been there with Neil Collins when I don't think they won a game in 3 years (Antrim doesn't count).  Maybe he should be put in the development squads, ah shit he is in charge of the U.17's and he is what NP76 thinks of him and his approach

I was at the u 17 Dev squad game on sat it was an awful windy day and was really a tale of 2 halves. Down were leading 3-03 to 0-02 at Ht I think to end up getting beat by 2. If we are serious about developing lads I really fail to see how as per usual with Poucher he played 14 men behind the ball and invited a team on to him which they truly obliged. It was terrible to watch and I really felt for the lad left up on his own. If we think that this is development of young lads I despair how will these lads know any creative flair to win games in later life.

You mentioned many coaches in your first post on this topic and Poucher wouldn't lace their boots as a coach. You also fail to mention or are prepared to ignore the fact that the schools can only do so much and why do you think that the likes of Maghera are so strong, it is because of the work being done in the South Derry clubs like Glen, Slaughneil, Lavey etc. Apart from Burren, there is little evidence of any worthwhile coaching being done among clubs for the schools to ]. You also seem to gloss over the fact that the recent winners of the (so easily won) MacRory Cup have no other schools in direct competition, Maghera, Cavan and Enniskillen. In the Newry area you have St Columns, Abbey, St Marks, St Joseph's and now St Paul's who are all drawing from basically the same pool of players.  Many of the other schools in Ulster Colleges have a 20/30 mile radius of clubs to draw from and could you imagine the team put together if all these schools were able to put 1 team together? You probably know this as you know everything else but now in Cavan and Monaghan schools it is the county coaches who train the teams, supported by the school coaches so is it any wonder many of these schools are doing so well compared to schools in the Newry area. There are many men giving up their time and doing a good job training teams before, during and after school and to say  The secondary schools in Down need to take a hard long look at themselves regarding GAA being done in schools is bullshit.

Just wondering as well what is your fascination with Caolan Mooney and the fact that you only joined this board when he came back from Australia? Half of your posts contain his name, thats an unhealthy obsession  :-X

Where are you getting this from?

+ Harps have just won back to back Down Féile "A" championships...the coaching must be shite alright...in everywhere bar Burren. Catch a grip ye lunatic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2016, 12:24:11 AM
So Burren are the only team in Down working on underage but Ballyholland have won the last 2 Feile titles?Now can you explain that one?
Bend your back concentrate on training the Down minors instead of talking on discussion boards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on April 01, 2016, 01:00:35 AM
You are all on here critising each other and not addressing the problem, we have no leadership from the county executive , every primary school should have a designated county coach who should be helping to develop the young players of tomorrow, hopefully this be in conjunction with clubs who should be sending in senior players to take after school sessions, if the county coaches do their job right these players will seek to play football in their next school, and the trick is our county should be offering to help coach school teams , hopefully the teachers in charge if these teams will embrace the opportunity to work with qualified coaches and learn the basics of coaching and developing our young players .No one can tell me that our players at the age of 12 to 14 are inferior to those in other counties, it's their development from that age that is sorely lacking.Another point I would like to highlight is the absence of dedicated men of the calibre of the late Pat OHare or Ray Morgan, it was no coincidence success followed these men , I apologise if their are similar people who should be mentioned but these two come readily to mind as I played for one and faced the other, therefore we need a strategy carefully planned and rigorously implemented . It will take the county executive to meet with headmasters to allow our coaches to get involved with school teams, teachers nowadays have a heavy work load and I'm sure would welcome the help.AM I WRONG TO THINK THIS WAY?One last thing the facilities both on and of the field at most schools are first class.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 01, 2016, 10:18:46 AM
Bend you back's first post has been firmly criticized. And the points of criticism are probably fair. But I would like to say that in the interests of Devil's advocate that I thought at least some points in the post were valid.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2016, 04:49:51 PM
Paul D you talk a lot of sense but I don't agree with all that you say.
So Burren are the only team at underage doing the work ?
What all did they win last year bend your back?
Anyword on team news for Sunday???
Clarke back yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 01, 2016, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2016, 04:49:51 PM
Paul D you talk a lot of sense but I don't agree with all that you say.
So Burren are the only team at underage doing the work ?
What all did they win last year bend your back?
Anyword on team news for Sunday???
Clarke back yet?

He said he agreed with some of the points, not them all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on April 01, 2016, 05:20:47 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on April 01, 2016, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2016, 04:49:51 PM
Paul D you talk a lot of sense but I don't agree with all that you say.
So Burren are the only team at underage doing the work ?
What all did they win last year bend your back?
Anyword on team news for Sunday???
Clarke back yet?

He said he agreed with some of the points, not them all.

x2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 01, 2016, 11:47:46 PM
Seen as there's no sign of any Down man on the Mayo v Down thread, I'm wondering if there will be many Down people at the game on Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on April 01, 2016, 11:50:42 PM
Don't be under any illusions about our secretary, if you think he has no influence in selecting team managers , why is he on every selection panel, if you think he wasn't involved in Burrenbridge why was he and the then chairman involved in all the negotiations that ultimately put us in such a dire financial state.
He may be a very hard working secretary and good at administration,but he has a bad track record when it comes to dealing with football matters and clubs in general.
Again I state we need an independent review with the findings made public and the recommendations carried out.We need to ensure no county executive member be on any future selection committee when county team managers are sought.
Contrary to the wishes of the executive the clubs have to have the last say when it comes to getting quality people in , and the implementation of a coherent strategy in respect of coaching in schools and clubs.People in paid positions have to be accountable and a record taken if what they have achieved and whether they are giving value for money and deserve to be in the positions they presently occupy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 02, 2016, 02:31:40 PM
Lads, not a peep about the Mayo game on here, I just think we have given up.  The County Board can't even be bothered naming a team so why exactly would anyone travel to Mayo, is this how the Down Way plays out?  You look at the teams named in various media outlets but no, thats not the way we do things in Down.  If there is a wrong way of doing anything, you can be assured that we will find it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 02, 2016, 03:29:22 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 01, 2016, 11:47:46 PM
Seen as there's no sign of any Down man on the Mayo v Down thread, I'm wondering if there will be many Down people at the game on Sunday?

I think the lack of talk in here about it will be your answer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 03, 2016, 08:29:37 AM
 Heading to the West.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 03, 2016, 09:02:47 AM
Are we the only team in Ireland that do not name a team before national league games?
We named one pre Donegal but after that no team has been released.I think everyone even our PRO has given up on this season.So depressing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 03, 2016, 09:34:52 AM
Team was named last night on official Twitter and Facebook pages no big changes from the last day
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on April 03, 2016, 09:39:21 AM
Cunningham
Collins
Mc Govern
O Hagan
Flynn
Carr
O Hanlon
Turley
Mc Kay
Maginn
Mc Kernan
Murphy
Mc Govern
O Hare 
O Hagan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 03, 2016, 02:06:01 PM
Mid West Radio report five late changes to the named Down side, which sounds a little unusual. McKibben, Brown, Poland, Mallon and Dornan were brought in, but we were not told who dropped out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 03, 2016, 02:23:29 PM
The Down GAA Twitter feed can't even be bothered giving score updates from the game, they just seem satisfied to retweet Mayo GAA's team announcement on the Mayo panel and that's all. Sums it up.


1-07 to 0-04 after COC scores a penalty for anyone unfortunate enough to be relying on Down GAA to update you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on April 03, 2016, 02:38:08 PM
Down on the up?

1-9 to 0-9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 03, 2016, 02:40:37 PM
1-09 to 0-10 at half time. We'll see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 03, 2016, 02:46:23 PM
Pleasantly surprised here, 1-09 to 0-10 at halfT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 03, 2016, 02:51:43 PM
We have managed four or fives scores from play in the first half, which has certainly not been the pattern in our previous league games. We also seem to have responded well to their penalty goal, so we will take any progress on offer at this stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 03, 2016, 02:59:27 PM
Radio link  http://www.midwestradio.ie/index.php/listen-live (http://www.midwestradio.ie/index.php/listen-live)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 03, 2016, 03:03:04 PM
1-12 to 0-10.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 03, 2016, 03:05:41 PM
1.12 - 0.12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 03, 2016, 03:07:43 PM
1-14 to 0-12.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 03, 2016, 03:22:26 PM
1-16 to 0-15. Co-commentator on Mid West FM very complimentary to Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 03, 2016, 03:34:03 PM
1-16 to 1-17 in injury time, Donal O'Hare with a goal. Need another score to get at least a point from the league this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 03, 2016, 03:41:25 PM
Lost by three, 1-19 to 1-16, but far and away our best performance  of the season. Our previous best total was 11 points against Monaghan so we have to be very encouraged today. Conceding 1-19 is still a worry but we will head to Clones in June with a bit more momentum behind us than might have been expected.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 03, 2016, 07:35:33 PM
To score 1-16 against potential all Ireland champions is not bad going.Well done to the team today we can now go into the championship with some encouragement that we can beat Monaghan
Regarding our twitter and Facebook pages it's a disgrace that we don't have any updates on either.Are we the only county in Ireland that does not go updates during games?Again it's very lazy work by the county board administrators.Its like they could not he bothered going it anymore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 03, 2016, 08:09:38 PM
We are hardly going to get carried away after losing our 12th consecutive game against inter-county opposition, covering a full 12-month period, but Eamonn Burns is entitled to see at least some light at the end of a very dark tunnel. He has a decent idea of his championship line-up, and it was noticeable that McConville and Downey were back on the bench today to give us a few more physical options down the middle. If McArdle recovers from his long-term injury, there would be some reasonable competition for defensive places as well. Monaghan are going to be very warm favourites at Clones, but there are indications at last that we are capable of a competitive display.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 03, 2016, 08:41:58 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 03, 2016, 08:09:38 PM
We are hardly going to get carried away after losing our 12th consecutive game against inter-county opposition, covering a full 12-month period, but Eamonn Burns is entitled to see at least some light at the end of a very dark tunnel. He has a decent idea of his championship line-up, and it was noticeable that McConville and Downey were back on the bench today to give us a few more physical options down the middle. If McArdle recovers from his long-term injury, there would be some reasonable competition for defensive places as well. Monaghan are going to be very warm favourites at Clones, but there are indications at last that we are capable of a competitive display.
MR,were there many supporters at the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 03, 2016, 10:08:45 PM
Mid West Radio suggested that there was a very small Down support, which was only to be expected  in the circumstances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on April 04, 2016, 11:44:24 AM
  Well at least we can have a slight hope that our fortunes are improving on the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on April 04, 2016, 01:33:58 PM
Yes let's balance this page with a few positives now and again.

e.g. Once again, Armagh will be a division below us next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 04, 2016, 03:08:19 PM
Back to the bread and butter of the County this week as the leagues kickoff... What's everyone's feelings predictions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 04, 2016, 03:27:49 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on April 04, 2016, 03:08:19 PM
Back to the bread and butter of the County this week as the leagues kickoff... What's everyone's feelings predictions?
I fancy Rostrevor to do well under former County Minor Manager and get promoted to Div1 along with Loughinisland or RGU.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 04, 2016, 03:31:54 PM
Ballyholland to build on their fantastic season last year and go all the way this time.
Best coached/managed team in the land.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 04, 2016, 08:04:34 PM
What is the promotion/relegation rules? 2 up 2 down or is there playoffs involved etc? All leagues should be quite competitive this season..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on April 05, 2016, 08:11:21 AM
Div 1. Mayobridge  danger Bryansford  Kilcoo and Burren will concentrate on championship
Div2.  Loughinisland danger Rostrevor Downpatrick will fall away when players go to USA
Div3.  Saul  danger Glasdrumman. Bosco will be thereabouts
Div4. The Finn they deserve a bit of success

We will be concentrating on club football this summer as I fear a short championship campaign but the performance in Mayo was encouraging , we are lacking quality in key areas  and no obvious replacements, maybe there is some u21 s who could come in as they cannot be as bad as I seen in Newry.
We will be going to Clones more in hope than expectation but that's why we are Down supporters, I only pray that we learn from what's happened in the league and can deliver.
I am still calling for change at the county executive regardless what happens.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 05, 2016, 01:18:06 PM
Mayobridge and Burren will make fast starts to the league and be at the top for the majority of it whilst Kilcoo will cruise through it and then when championship time comes they will win it again despite the fact that they have regressed from 3 or 4 years ago due to the severe lack of quality in the county which has been shown up time and time again this year with the county team.

I do agree that that the leagues being reduced to 12 will make them more competitive and if you take Ballymartin aside there could be a dog fight as to who goes down.

Div 2 should also be competitive but would fancy Rostrevor to be too strong with Mulholland in charge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 06, 2016, 10:40:50 AM
WhiteGM you say Kilcoo cruise early on how does that work? I mean I know they produce average enough results every year but I don't see enough club football to know why, and it is something I have often wondered about. Do Kilcoo play weakened teams or just not put the effort in in these early games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GreenGiant on April 06, 2016, 01:26:55 PM
Surely Glenn will go down this year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 06, 2016, 01:29:50 PM
Paul its not that I don't think they wont be out to win, its more that losing league games in April and May wont be the end of the world for them.  Winning another league at this stage wont be the be all and end all for them imo.

They will be developing their training programme to peak in August and if this means heavy training sessions two nights before a league game then so be it.  They will also use the league to develop new players, try players in new positions and perfect their system of play for late summer.  Compare this to Burren who played free flowing football from the start last year and skittled teams in the league and then ended up playing an extra man back for the first time in the championship reply against Kilcoo!!!

Its not an insult to Kilcoo, they know what their priorities are and they will stick to it.  Even with doing all of the above they may still contend for the league given the lack of quality around but are unlikely to be in the top 2/3.

I expect Dawson to have the bridge flying fit and raring to go and with no county players they should be in a position to hit the ground running although player for player they are still the 3rd/4th best team in Down at best.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GreenGiant on April 06, 2016, 01:35:48 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 06, 2016, 01:29:50 PM
Paul its not that I don't think they wont be out to win, its more that losing league games in April and May wont be the end of the world for them.  Winning another league at this stage wont be the be all and end all for them imo.

They will be developing their training programme to peak in August and if this means heavy training sessions two nights before a league game then so be it.  They will also use the league to develop new players, try players in new positions and perfect their system of play for late summer.  Compare this to Burren who played free flowing football from the start last year and skittled teams in the league and then ended up playing an extra man back for the first time in the championship reply against Kilcoo!!!

Its not an insult to Kilcoo, they know what their priorities are and they will stick to it.  Even with doing all of the above they may still contend for the league given the lack of quality around but are unlikely to be in the top 2/3.

I expect Dawson to have the bridge flying fit and raring to go and with no county players they should be in a position to hit the ground running although player for player they are still the 3rd/4th best team in Down at best.

Thats a very good assessment on Kilcoo Whitegoodman, completely agree with you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 06, 2016, 10:06:42 PM
clonduff beat warrenpoint 0-16 to 1-11 in the 1st division 1 match of the new season. tight enough match in which 'the yellas' probably deserved to come out on top.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on April 07, 2016, 07:35:27 AM
Are Kilcoo and Burren that far ahead that they will cruise through the league and then up the ante come championship time , I sincerely hope that the other teams in Div1 give them a severe test in the league.Football standards I think will only go up with the new league format and if I am right old rivalries will be reignited with the home and away structures, I personally cannot wait for the leagues to start and hear on this discussion board if there are some players who could come into the county team.
I also am confident that our minors will win their match, I have to admit I wasn't happy with James getting the post but after watching the trials and his team play a couple of times, I am won over, apologies James.He's got them playing a good brand of football with passion , can't wait for Clones.
Now for  a rant , why oh why are we not developing relationships with the schools and clubs at underage levels to unearth the stars of tomorrow.People will come on here and say we are but I believe we are only scratching the surface.
Paddy leads the Mourne academy , great idea , he needs help , give him the resources to expand this academy , question for all on here, has your club ever been approached regarding putting forward any players suitable for development,has Paddy watched any of your players, I know he is reliant on the development squad structure but it has been said by some on here the present structure needs overhauled and county coaches better utilised.So back to my original point Paddy needs help , I know that members of the county executive read or contribute on here , so I say GIVE Paddy the help he needs and get these development squads sorted.
Finally I wish all teams well this year , every one will have their highs and lows but as the late Pat OHare said to me young ......... I hate losing more than I like winning ! I suppose we all feel that way when we think about it , I want my team to do well , I want to see good hard hitting exciting football and a re emergence of An Dun
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cb66 on April 07, 2016, 06:13:52 PM
Div 1- for  me kilcoo best team in the county again this year. Agree with others that league not their priority and could be one of Burren, bryansford or the bridge to make the title theirs. Think ballymartin and longstone the sides most in danger of relegation.

Div 2- rostrevor and one of rgu or loughinisland to get promoted. St. John's to get relegated alongside one of Darragh Cross, Bredagh or Carryduff.

Div 3- Saul and Bosco to get promoted. Kilclief and dromara or teconnaught to bring up the rear

Div 4- dundrum and aughlisnafin to get promoted

Looking forward to a good year of club football in this county. Good start from clonduff last night!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on April 07, 2016, 10:08:11 PM
Bridge looked sharp against Glenn tinight in Division 1; 3-13 to 1-10.
Conleth O'Hare pulling the strings with Kevin O'Rourke in top scoring form. Shane McNamee excellent in defence.
Glenn ultra defensive first half but opened up a bit in the second. They'll be hard to beat at home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on April 08, 2016, 02:32:57 PM
Harps v Kilcoo moved to Mayobridge this evening with a 6.45 throw in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on April 08, 2016, 06:08:57 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on April 08, 2016, 02:32:57 PM
Harps v Kilcoo moved to Mayobridge this evening with a 6.45 throw in.

I have from good source that the ballyholland match still scheduled for Ballyholland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 08, 2016, 07:11:52 PM
Ballyholland/kilcoo postponed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 08, 2016, 07:29:21 PM
Late postponements everywhere... Carryduff v St. John's also..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 08, 2016, 07:58:37 PM
Shamrocks v Drumgath not postponed til 7.30.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on April 08, 2016, 08:15:37 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on April 08, 2016, 07:58:37 PM
Shamrocks v Drumgath not postponed til 7.30.

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FML on April 09, 2016, 08:40:07 PM
Well done Down U17s. Good gutsy performance and a win over Armagh today.
Entertaining game with quite a few outstanding performances.
Have showed steady progress through the Ulster League.
Maybe there is a future for Down football after all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 10, 2016, 02:08:01 AM
Quote from: FML on April 09, 2016, 08:40:07 PM
Well done Down U17s. Good gutsy performance and a win over Armagh today.
Entertaining game with quite a few outstanding performances.
Have showed steady progress through the Ulster League.
Maybe there is a future for Down football after all.
How'd your boy go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 10, 2016, 08:24:48 AM
Quote from: FML on April 09, 2016, 08:40:07 PM
Well done Down U17s. Good gutsy performance and a win over Armagh today.
Entertaining game with quite a few outstanding performances.
Have showed steady progress through the Ulster League.
Maybe there is a future for Down football after all.

Self praise and all that  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FML on April 10, 2016, 09:19:13 AM
Quote from: wobbller on April 10, 2016, 02:08:01 AM
Quote from: FML on April 09, 2016, 08:40:07 PM
Well done Down U17s. Good gutsy performance and a win over Armagh today.
Entertaining game with quite a few outstanding performances.
Have showed steady progress through the Ulster League.
Maybe there is a future for Down football after all.
How'd your boy go?


Played a blinder
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 10, 2016, 09:34:18 AM
Quote from: FML on April 09, 2016, 08:40:07 PM
Well done Down U17s. Good gutsy performance and a win over Armagh today.
Entertaining game with quite a few outstanding performances.
Have showed steady progress through the Ulster League.
Maybe there is a future for Down football after all.
Who manages with this squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on April 10, 2016, 05:10:59 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 10, 2016, 09:34:18 AM
Quote from: FML on April 09, 2016, 08:40:07 PM
Well done Down U17s. Good gutsy performance and a win over Armagh today.
Entertaining game with quite a few outstanding performances.
Have showed steady progress through the Ulster League.
Maybe there is a future for Down football after all.
Who manages with this squad?
Thinks it's The Messiah. The mouth from the south( of the county)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 11, 2016, 08:02:32 AM
Quote from: Samforever on April 10, 2016, 05:10:59 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 10, 2016, 09:34:18 AM
Quote from: FML on April 09, 2016, 08:40:07 PM
Well done Down U17s. Good gutsy performance and a win over Armagh today.
Entertaining game with quite a few outstanding performances.
Have showed steady progress through the Ulster League.
Maybe there is a future for Down football after all.
Who manages with this squad?
Thinks it's The Messiah. The mouth from the south( of the county)
That reply shows the old East Down chip on the shoulder attitude.Does it really matter where people
are from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on April 11, 2016, 08:43:41 AM
Your right Ross , doesn't matter where the manager comes from as long as the squad is a fair representation of the best talent in Down, that I doubt as  i know there are players who would make this squad from east down and have been overlooked, which doesn't make sense.
Secondly , as long as he is the best coach around, I'm told his coaching skills are not in question but his antics along the sideline are, I think if he is to be a future manager for Down his management team would need to contain a couple of seasoned football campaigners who could rein him in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 11, 2016, 09:09:49 AM
Will all games go ahead tonight??
A lot of rain about this morning
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 11, 2016, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on April 11, 2016, 08:43:41 AM
Your right Ross , doesn't matter where the manager comes from as long as the squad is a fair representation of the best talent in Down, that I doubt as  i know there are players who would make this squad from east down and have been overlooked, which doesn't make sense.
Secondly , as long as he is the best coach around, I'm told his coaching skills are not in question but his antics along the sideline are, I think if he is to be a future manager for Down his management team would need to contain a couple of seasoned football campaigners who could rein him in.

And last year's team with a South Down manager had South Down players that were overlooked that should have been starting or on the panel. Just because players from a certain part of the county are overlooked does not mean that there is a bias.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on April 11, 2016, 02:11:12 PM
Annaclone v Liatroim postponed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 11, 2016, 06:05:33 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 10, 2016, 08:24:48 AM
Quote from: FML on April 09, 2016, 08:40:07 PM
Well done Down U17s. Good gutsy performance and a win over Armagh today.
Entertaining game with quite a few outstanding performances.
Have showed steady progress through the Ulster League.
Maybe there is a future for Down football after all.

Self praise and all that  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Quote from: cut the crap on April 11, 2016, 08:43:41 AM
Your right Ross , doesn't matter where the manager comes from as long as the squad is a fair representation of the best talent in Down, that I doubt as  i know there are players who would make this squad from east down and have been overlooked, which doesn't make sense.
Secondly , as long as he is the best coach around, I'm told his coaching skills are not in question but his antics along the sideline are, I think if he is to be a future manager for Down his management team would need to contain a couple of seasoned football campaigners who could rein him in.

There is an East Down man with the U.17 squad  :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 11, 2016, 06:28:46 PM
Quick lesson for some:

How managers pick representative squads: they look for players who lead the way in terms of ability, athleticism, attitude and aptitude. They will build their team around the players who score highly in all four areas, and when they don't have enough of those, will fill the squad out, and build specialist roles, for those who excel in three areas, and with players who excel in two areas but show signs of potential to be coached for improvement in the others.

How managers don't pick representative squads:  1. by referencing the importance of the regional breakdown of the 1991 senior team in selection meetings. 2. by ignoring the advice of trusted football men from across the county, and most of all, 3.  by drawing a line just south of Kilcoo and using it as the new first parameter in every squad decision.



If a player is both good enough and willing, he will be found.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 11, 2016, 08:32:02 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 11, 2016, 06:28:46 PM
Quick lesson for some:

How managers pick representative squads: they look for players who lead the way in terms of ability, athleticism, attitude and aptitude. They will build their team around the players who score highly in all four areas, and when they don't have enough of those, will fill the squad out, and build specialist roles, for those who excel in three areas, and with players who excel in two areas but show signs of potential to be coached for improvement in the others.

How managers don't pick representative squads:  1. by referencing the importance of the regional breakdown of the 1991 senior team in selection meetings. 2. by ignoring the advice of trusted football men from across the county, and most of all, 3.  by drawing a line just south of Kilcoo and using it as the new first parameter in every squad decision.



If a player is both good enough and willing, he will be found.

Posts like that are too sensible for this board thewobbler!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on April 11, 2016, 09:26:57 PM
CPN drew with Glenn. Burren beat Ballymartin easily. McKernan stretchered off. Any other results ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 11, 2016, 09:29:37 PM
Not disagreeing with any of that wobbler,but is it not about time we as a county started to wonder why there are so few from above the imaginary line who meet that criteria?it is a huge area of the county to not be producing players for the county on a proportional basis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 11, 2016, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on April 11, 2016, 09:26:57 PM
CPN drew with Glenn. Burren beat Ballymartin easily. McKernan stretchered off. Any other results ?
castlewellan beat clonduff 2-11 to 0-8. l'stone beat saval by a point, kilcoo beat mayobridge by 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 11, 2016, 10:45:39 PM
Quote from: east down gael on April 11, 2016, 09:29:37 PM
Not disagreeing with any of that wobbler,but is it not about time we as a county started to wonder why there are so few from above the imaginary line who meet that criteria?it is a huge area of the county to not be producing players for the county on a proportional basis.

Couple of things.

South Down is fair bit bigger than the East in terms of clubs. It also isn't overly afflicted with hurling, while getting to Belfast to study is a huge deal for most lads (unlike Carryduff and Bredagh lads, who seem compelled to head to Dublin or across the water). There is also a number of dedicated, recognised GAA schools (Abbey, College, St Marks) which parents and teenagers actually seek out to improve their chances. There isn't anything quite like that in the East since Red High went backwards. So statistically, players from South Down clubs should - on average - dominate all selections. That's just maths.

This has been playing out in minor football recently (if less so at u12 and u14, where the Belfast clubs are strong). I wasn't paying that much attention until the past few years, but having kept an eye on club minor league and championship results over the past few seasons, if anything East Down have been overly represented at minor and u21 county level recently. Last season, not once was a SD club beaten by an ED club in the ACMFL. That's a crazy stat.

I genuinely hope it's just a cyclical thing and that over the next few years the equation will balance up again. But it's not going to happen by accident anymore. Any club can "find" a great crop of players at under 12, but it's proving bloody difficult to keep them bothered up to minor level nowadays, it would seem.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 11, 2016, 10:58:43 PM
Again,I agree with basically everything you just said,but what I'm asking is what can be done to have the east down area producing top quality players.we've been hearing for the last few months how the county is in a lowly place,and while I personally think we aren't any worse off than most tier two teams(we just had the misfortune of being in the first division and finding out exactly how far off we are!),if we genuinely want to push on then we need to ask why huge population areas such as newry,downpatrick,Bredagh and carryduff are not represented in the top flight.its not just an East down south down discussion.the newry clubs lowly position is equally,if not more,alarming as they have access to the schools you mention.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 12, 2016, 01:19:43 PM
 I'd let the new Development squad regimes under PoR at it for a few years and see if we can get them up to U21 and Senior level by doing it O'Rourke's way and hopefully they'll
turn out better than the usual Down Way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on April 12, 2016, 02:33:26 PM
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/northern-ireland/36024819?utm_source=twitterfeed&#38;utm_medium=twitter

Big blow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on April 12, 2016, 03:20:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 11, 2016, 10:45:39 PM
Quote from: east down gael on April 11, 2016, 09:29:37 PM
Not disagreeing with any of that wobbler,but is it not about time we as a county started to wonder why there are so few from above the imaginary line who meet that criteria?it is a huge area of the county to not be producing players for the county on a proportional basis.

Couple of things.

South Down is fair bit bigger than the East in terms of clubs. It also isn't overly afflicted with hurling, while getting to Belfast to study is a huge deal for most lads (unlike Carryduff and Bredagh lads, who seem compelled to head to Dublin or across the water). There is also a number of dedicated, recognised GAA schools (Abbey, College, St Marks) which parents and teenagers actually seek out to improve their chances. There isn't anything quite like that in the East since Red High went backwards. So statistically, players from South Down clubs should - on average - dominate all selections. That's just maths.

This has been playing out in minor football recently (if less so at u12 and u14, where the Belfast clubs are strong). I wasn't paying that much attention until the past few years, but having kept an eye on club minor league and championship results over the past few seasons, if anything East Down have been overly represented at minor and u21 county level recently. Last season, not once was a SD club beaten by an ED club in the ACMFL. That's a crazy stat.

I genuinely hope it's just a cyclical thing and that over the next few years the equation will balance up again. But it's not going to happen by accident anymore. Any club can "find" a great crop of players at under 12, but it's proving bloody difficult to keep them bothered up to minor level nowadays, it would seem.
[afflicted?? Wise up]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on April 12, 2016, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 11, 2016, 10:45:39 PM
Quote from: east down gael on April 11, 2016, 09:29:37 PM
Not disagreeing with any of that wobbler,but is it not about time we as a county started to wonder why there are so few from above the imaginary line who meet that criteria?it is a huge area of the county to not be producing players for the county on a proportional basis.

Couple of things.

South Down is fair bit bigger than the East in terms of clubs. It also isn't overly afflicted with hurling, while getting to Belfast to study is a huge deal for most lads (unlike Carryduff and Bredagh lads, who seem compelled to head to Dublin or across the water). There is also a number of dedicated, recognised GAA schools (Abbey, College, St Marks) which parents and teenagers actually seek out to improve their chances. There isn't anything quite like that in the East since Red High went backwards. So statistically, players from South Down clubs should - on average - dominate all selections. That's just maths.

This has been playing out in minor football recently (if less so at u12 and u14, where the Belfast clubs are strong). I wasn't paying that much attention until the past few years, but having kept an eye on club minor league and championship results over the past few seasons, if anything East Down have been overly represented at minor and u21 county level recently. Last season, not once was a SD club beaten by an ED club in the ACMFL. That's a crazy stat.

I genuinely hope it's just a cyclical thing and that over the next few years the equation will balance up again. But it's not going to happen by accident anymore. Any club can "find" a great crop of players at under 12, but it's proving bloody difficult to keep them bothered up to minor level nowadays, it would seem.
Bryansford beat Mayobridge last year in the League in a tight game at the Bridge but you are so correct in your arguments.Hurling isn't a problem in St Pauls at these age groups but  sometimes we feel we are in Rochdale for all the interest the general public have in gaa affairs.Schools are a big factor.Do all sports and be master in none.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 13, 2016, 11:53:36 AM
Quote from: imagine on April 12, 2016, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 11, 2016, 10:45:39 PM
Quote from: east down gael on April 11, 2016, 09:29:37 PM
Not disagreeing with any of that wobbler,but is it not about time we as a county started to wonder why there are so few from above the imaginary line who meet that criteria?it is a huge area of the county to not be producing players for the county on a proportional basis.

Couple of things.

South Down is fair bit bigger than the East in terms of clubs. It also isn't overly afflicted with hurling, while getting to Belfast to study is a huge deal for most lads (unlike Carryduff and Bredagh lads, who seem compelled to head to Dublin or across the water). There is also a number of dedicated, recognised GAA schools (Abbey, College, St Marks) which parents and teenagers actually seek out to improve their chances. There isn't anything quite like that in the East since Red High went backwards. So statistically, players from South Down clubs should - on average - dominate all selections. That's just maths.

This has been playing out in minor football recently (if less so at u12 and u14, where the Belfast clubs are strong). I wasn't paying that much attention until the past few years, but having kept an eye on club minor league and championship results over the past few seasons, if anything East Down have been overly represented at minor and u21 county level recently. Last season, not once was a SD club beaten by an ED club in the ACMFL. That's a crazy stat.

I genuinely hope it's just a cyclical thing and that over the next few years the equation will balance up again. But it's not going to happen by accident anymore. Any club can "find" a great crop of players at under 12, but it's proving bloody difficult to keep them bothered up to minor level nowadays, it would seem.
Bryansford beat Mayobridge last year in the League in a tight game at the Bridge but you are so correct in your arguments.Hurling isn't a problem in St Pauls at these age groups but  sometimes we feel we are in Rochdale for all the interest the general public have in gaa affairs.Schools are a big factor.Do all sports and be master in none.

Certainly isn't but they're more than welcome to come hurl with us as they're currently doing.

On the schools thing, St Columbanus would have quite a few teachers in it from our neck of the woods from a hurling/camogie background, a little push and support from St Pauls could help trigger off an interest in GAA activities.
IIRC one of the Blaneys involved with Carryduff also teaches in it.

Similarly a lot of the teachers in the local primary schools in the Bangor area are also from GAA backgrounds, either players, ex players and coaches.

Sometimes its up to the local club to kick off the debate and set the wheels in motion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on April 13, 2016, 05:39:55 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 13, 2016, 11:53:36 AM
Quote from: imagine on April 12, 2016, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 11, 2016, 10:45:39 PM
Quote from: east down gael on April 11, 2016, 09:29:37 PM
Not disagreeing with any of that wobbler,but is it not about time we as a county started to wonder why there are so few from above the imaginary line who meet that criteria?it is a huge area of the county to not be producing players for the county on a proportional basis.

Couple of things.

South Down is fair bit bigger than the East in terms of clubs. It also isn't overly afflicted with hurling, while getting to Belfast to study is a huge deal for most lads (unlike Carryduff and Bredagh lads, who seem compelled to head to Dublin or across the water). There is also a number of dedicated, recognised GAA schools (Abbey, College, St Marks) which parents and teenagers actually seek out to improve their chances. There isn't anything quite like that in the East since Red High went backwards. So statistically, players from South Down clubs should - on average - dominate all selections. That's just maths.

This has been playing out in minor football recently (if less so at u12 and u14, where the Belfast clubs are strong). I wasn't paying that much attention until the past few years, but having kept an eye on club minor league and championship results over the past few seasons, if anything East Down have been overly represented at minor and u21 county level recently. Last season, not once was a SD club beaten by an ED club in the ACMFL. That's a crazy stat.

I genuinely hope it's just a cyclical thing and that over the next few years the equation will balance up again. But it's not going to happen by accident anymore. Any club can "find" a great crop of players at under 12, but it's proving bloody difficult to keep them bothered up to minor level nowadays, it would seem.
Bryansford beat Mayobridge last year in the League in a tight game at the Bridge but you are so correct in your arguments.Hurling isn't a problem in St Pauls at these age groups but  sometimes we feel we are in Rochdale for all the interest the general public have in gaa affairs.Schools are a big factor.Do all sports and be master in none.

Certainly isn't but they're more than welcome to come hurl with us as they're currently doing.

On the schools thing, St Columbanus would have quite a few teachers in it from our neck of the woods from a hurling/camogie background, a little push and support from St Pauls could help trigger off an interest in GAA activities.
IIRC one of the Blaneys involved with Carryduff also teaches in it.

Similarly a lot of the teachers in the local primary schools in the Bangor area are also from GAA backgrounds, either players, ex players and coaches.

Sometimes its up to the local club to kick off the debate and set the wheels in motion.
There is a slight interaction with Schools but as I said it's like Rochdale.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 13, 2016, 06:11:45 PM
The catchment area for St Paul's is so big that I feel it is almost a disadvantage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on April 13, 2016, 11:41:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 11, 2016, 06:28:46 PM
Quick lesson for some:

How managers pick representative squads: they look for players who lead the way in terms of ability, athleticism, attitude and aptitude. They will build their team around the players who score highly in all four areas, and when they don't have enough of those, will fill the squad out, and build specialist roles, for those who excel in three areas, and with players who excel in two areas but show signs of potential to be coached for improvement in the others.

How managers don't pick representative squads:  1. by referencing the importance of the regional breakdown of the 1991 senior team in selection meetings. 2. by ignoring the advice of trusted football men from across the county, and most of all, 3.  by drawing a line just south of Kilcoo and using it as the new first parameter in every squad decision.



If a player is both good enough and willing, he will be found.
I think the issue is we're not finding players of suitable ability lately and rightly or wrongly the east down brigade see the lack of progress with all Down county teams is somehow down to this perceived geographical bias.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on April 14, 2016, 06:45:27 AM
If you analysis past Down teams who were successful you will see there was a bigger East Down representation than there is now, the teams of the 60s and 90s are examples.It is also no fluke that the Red High in the 80s and 90s would have been on a par with St Colmans and the Abbey and Pat OHare was in charge of the Red High , but at present the latter has fallen way behind the newry colleges, the reasons are clear to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GreenGiant on April 14, 2016, 10:11:55 AM
Predictions for tomorrow night?
Whats the pick of the games for the neutral?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 14, 2016, 10:22:50 AM
Quote from: GreenGiant on April 14, 2016, 10:11:55 AM
Predictions for tomorrow night?
Whats the pick of the games for the neutral?

Ballyholland Burren should be interesting tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 14, 2016, 10:51:09 AM
Cant see how.
Burren will destroy most teams in the league.

Hazard a guess there will be at least 1 sending off tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 14, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Ballyholland style of play means they rarely get destroyed.

What makes you think there will be a sending off ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 14, 2016, 11:55:34 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 12, 2015, 10:11:11 PM
I agree 100% WGM. We were lucky to escape with no reds against Burren. But I'm delighted to see our lads standing up to the (so called) big guns of Down football and not being messed about. We did the same against Rostrevor who started a melee down there in the first game of the league. We did the same to Kilcoo in the last game of the season last year. For far too long we have had a 2nd division mentality and we kowtowed to the aristocracy of Down club football. Those days are over.

last years game and season in general saw them take that approach.
Think that chip still resides on their shoulder.
Expect more chest-beating tonight and inevitable red cards or controversy.
No kowtowing this evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on April 14, 2016, 11:56:08 AM
Ballyholland will try spoil the game tonight, wont be pleasant to watch but I think Burren will have too much fire power
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 14, 2016, 10:58:56 PM
Fair play brick one red card for Rushe
Burrens strength and depth this year is unreal.Cant see anyone except kilcoo come close to them this year
O Hare majestic tonight for Burren.He give the Ballyholland defence a terrible time.Others to show well were McEntee McGovern McGrath
Best for Ballyholland Murtagh and Murphy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 14, 2016, 11:35:16 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 14, 2016, 10:58:56 PM
Fair play brick one red card for Rushe
Burrens strength and depth this year is unreal.Cant see anyone except kilcoo come close to them this year
O Hare majestic tonight for Burren.He give the Ballyholland defence a terrible time.Others to show well were McEntee McGovern McGrath
Best for Ballyholland Murtagh and Murphy

It was two yellows for Tiarnan. Harps were well on top when he was sent off. Wouldn't get too excited by a team who won by 4 points after playing against 14 men for at least 40 minutes. Harps were missing at least 5 starters as well. Average performance by Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 14, 2016, 11:43:29 PM
Who were Ballyholland missing tonight ?
Murphy McCrink Quinn?
Thought burren played very well on the night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 14, 2016, 11:51:40 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 14, 2016, 11:43:29 PM
Who were Ballyholland missing tonight ?
Murphy McCrink Quinn?
Thought burren played very well on the night

Ruairí White, Keelan Haughey gone to Canada and Paddy McAnulty didn't start. We were using some of our best reserve players from last year like Conrad Loughran and Chrissy Havern.....and they all did very well. We had chances in the 2nd half.....if Tiarnan had have been still on the field we might have taken them.....but Granny Grandad balls and all that....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on April 15, 2016, 12:54:23 AM
Sure where was half of the burren team tonight 5 SAMs lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2016, 08:26:42 AM
Clowny and Whitegoodman here is a question for you
Burren must have some money to fire away
Ward Copeland Monaghan Vernan?(dundrum) all on the payroll
Surely with all those great underage teams that has come through the ranks use could get 1 good trainer out of them instead of bringing in 3 outsiders to the backroom team ?
Very strange
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 15, 2016, 11:05:51 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2016, 08:26:42 AM
Clowny and Whitegoodman here is a question for you
Burren must have some money to fire away
Ward Copeland Monaghan Vernan?(dundrum) all on the payroll
Surely with all those great underage teams that has come through the ranks use could get 1 good trainer out of them instead of bringing in 3 outsiders to the backroom team ?
Very strange
Top sellers for the Down Club Draw tickets will need it all to be paying this lot alright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 15, 2016, 01:23:34 PM
Was McKernan fit for Burren last night after his injury in the previous game ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on April 15, 2016, 01:29:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 15, 2016, 01:23:34 PM
Was McKernan fit for Burren last night after his injury in the previous game ?

Mckernan looks to be out for a sustained period of time
he wouldn't of fancied it last night anyway, Ballyholland were a bit nasty wouldn't be his scene
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on April 15, 2016, 01:31:51 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2016, 08:26:42 AM
Clowny and Whitegoodman here is a question for you
Burren must have some money to fire away
Ward Copeland Monaghan Vernan?(dundrum) all on the payroll
Surely with all those great underage teams that has come through the ranks use could get 1 good trainer out of them instead of bringing in 3 outsiders to the backroom team ?
Very strange
I'm not even a Burren Man myself.. doesn't bother me what they do with there money. But I just know they have plenty of injuries. Was at the game last night. Harps set up well, with red card spoiling the affair. Harps old men murtagh and Murphy battled away rightly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on April 15, 2016, 01:34:05 PM
was very impressed also with the Ballyholland number 18 who came on , heard he's still at school.. does anyone know his name??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 15, 2016, 01:50:44 PM
A couple of points;

- Balllyholland were leading 1-2 till 4 points when the sending off happened so yes they were well in control of the game at that point!!!

- Kevin McKernan, Dan McCartan, Conor Toner, Mark McKay, Shay McArdle all out last night with Jamie McGovern and Cathal Foy only fit for substitute appearances.  So if ya want to talk about injuries go for it....

- McKernan has ligament damage in his ankle I think so will be out for a while and would be doubtful for Down match I would imagine.  Interesting point by Toolongref all the same.

- It is my understanding that Wards "package" would be no more than the likes of Dawson or McIlvor are getting.  Besides why move the successful underage coaches away from there when they are being successful at what they are doing, rob Peter to pay Paul and all that.

- Murtagh still the class act on the pitch last night at 34.  Says it all about the current state of Down football.

- Going by last night Burren haven't learned much from last year, playing stupid football against defensive teams and leaving themselves open to counters time and time again. Poacher knows how to set up a team but is still an edjit, was going to jump over the wire at one stage last night from what I could see at the other end of the field.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on April 16, 2016, 07:22:39 AM
Interesting points made on here about management teams being paid, personally when fellas give up their time to train a team they deserve to be paid their expenses, once you enter the world of management the task is all consuming, I know because for 3 years I was involved in managing my own club, people only see the 2 nights training and a weekly match, to do it right you have to check on players in the reserves ,minors which might involve watching these guys play, their are daily phone calls with fellow selectors and players.You may have to talk to physios to check on the progress of injuries, you will definitely be talking to the club secretary and chairman, the job is all consuming and any money received is earned.I have learned from experience that the guys who are presently managing senior teams within the county do bring a level of professionalism to their clubs and I have seen this level increase each year which can only enhance the chance of success.
Isn't it great to read about club rivalries being renewed Burren when I played were the bench mark and we had some tremendous battles in the 80s with them, hats of to them they are still at the top, might not like them but respect where it is due.
Watched Rostrevor get tanked last night on their patch, Loughinisland played some beautiful football last night , could have won by more, one point however, Caolan Mooney is a talent down needs back, however this young lad needs a mentor of the calibre of Alan Molloy, someone who will listen to this young lad and hopefully steer him back , if your reading Caolan , everyone makes mistakes don't dwell on them , get on with your life and get back to the performance level that I, along with many others have seen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cb66 on April 16, 2016, 11:18:39 AM
I see An riocht have 3 wins from their opening 3 games in Division 2. Anyone know how big a role Martin Clarke is having with them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: delgany on April 16, 2016, 12:42:30 PM
Football in Red high   is dying on  its  feet. Third tier  of schools  football  now.. didnt even bother to fulfill a fixture in o dohertycup !  Sums it up   really.  A few balloons  taking teams as well !!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 16, 2016, 01:25:44 PM
Who is the GAA men in the red high?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 16, 2016, 03:02:28 PM
The Red high has over 800 pupils and should be a McRory school. The county board is currently reviewing where coaches are placed. There will be more coaches in secondary schools in the near future if principals allow them. It's early days but the magpies are still the team to beat, Burren will be close to them  when they get all their players back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 16, 2016, 06:53:00 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 16, 2016, 03:02:28 PM
The Red high has over 800 pupils and should be a McRory school. The county board is currently reviewing where coaches are placed. There will be more coaches in secondary schools in the near future if principals allow them. It's early days but the magpies are still the team to beat, Burren will be close to them  when they get all their players back.
If the CB could get one or two out of bed each day to a do full week's work it'd be a start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 16, 2016, 07:44:34 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 16, 2016, 06:53:00 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 16, 2016, 03:02:28 PM
The Red high has over 800 pupils and should be a McRory school. The county board is currently reviewing where coaches are placed. There will be more coaches in secondary schools in the near future if principals allow them. It's early days but the magpies are still the team to beat, Burren will be close to them  when they get all their players back.
If the CB could get one or two out of bed each day to a do full week's work it'd be a start

Sorry, are you serious????  A few years ago DD had a scheduled session from a county coach on a Monday morning but they had more no shows from him than actual coaching sessions.  The whole thing and quality of coaching is an absolute joke and all headed by a tube of a development officer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 16, 2016, 07:53:13 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 15, 2016, 01:50:44 PM
A couple of points;

- Balllyholland were leading 1-2 till 4 points when the sending off happened so yes they were well in control of the game at that point!!!

- Kevin McKernan, Dan McCartan, Conor Toner, Mark McKay, Shay McArdle all out last night with Jamie McGovern and Cathal Foy only fit for substitute appearances.  So if ya want to talk about injuries go for it....

- McKernan has ligament damage in his ankle I think so will be out for a while and would be doubtful for Down match I would imagine.  Interesting point by Toolongref all the same.

- It is my understanding that Wards "package" would be no more than the likes of Dawson or McIlvor are getting.  Besides why move the successful underage coaches away from there when they are being successful at what they are doing, rob Peter to pay Paul and all that.

- Murtagh still the class act on the pitch last night at 34.  Says it all about the current state of Down football.

- Going by last night Burren haven't learned much from last year, playing stupid football against defensive teams and leaving themselves open to counters time and time again. Poacher knows how to set up a team but is still an edjit, was going to jump over the wire at one stage last night from what I could see at the other end of the field.



Agree with Whitegoodman on a lot of the above, ventured to two club games Thursday and Friday, club football really is in a bad place in this county, first up Ballyholland v Burren, two complete lunatics managing both clubs, never seen the like of the pressure both tried to place on the referee, one lunatic (poucher) had his team reasonably well organised and hard to beat, the other lunatic (ward) is clueless and is just lucky he has a mountain of talent to get him over the line but when Kilcoo come calling they will fall short again and surely the Burren folk on here would agree. Bar Donal O Hare who was superb and Ronan Murtagh not much to shout about there.

Up next was Castlewellan v Glen, credit to Glen, they are trying to make themselves competitive in a very poor league, Castlewellan have a lot of talent and reached a championship final last year, but when your manager has no discipline neither will your team and this will be their downfall. Glen could and probably should have won the game only for a penalty save a few minutes from the end, by best player on show> Michael Cunningham, a goalkeeper.

I left both games thinking where is the talented footballers we use to see regularly in Down league games up and down the county? What is the problem? Is it the coaches? The schools? Lack of numbers? Why has football in Down got so bad? Has anyone got the answers?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 16, 2016, 07:55:44 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 16, 2016, 07:44:34 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 16, 2016, 06:53:00 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on April 16, 2016, 03:02:28 PM
The Red high has over 800 pupils and should be a McRory school. The county board is currently reviewing where coaches are placed. There will be more coaches in secondary schools in the near future if principals allow them. It's early days but the magpies are still the team to beat, Burren will be close to them  when they get all their players back.
If the CB could get one or two out of bed each day to a do full week's work it'd be a start

Sorry, are you serious????  A few years ago DD had a scheduled session from a county coach on a Monday morning but they had more no shows from him than actual coaching sessions.  The whole thing and quality of coaching is an absolute joke and all headed by a tube of a development officer.
What/where is DD?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 16, 2016, 08:04:06 PM
My wee girls name, sorry. I'd rather not give the name of her primary school.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FML on April 16, 2016, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 16, 2016, 08:04:06 PM
My wee girls name, sorry. I'd rather not give the name of her primary school.


Why not? If you're able to come on here making personal attacks on people why not identify yourself?

Why hide behind a pseudonym?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 16, 2016, 08:51:10 PM
Quote from: FML on April 16, 2016, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 16, 2016, 08:04:06 PM
My wee girls name, sorry. I'd rather not give the name of her primary school.


Why not? If you're able to come on here making personal attacks on people why not identify yourself?

Why hide behind a pseudonym?

Unlike yourself obviously. 

Fermanagh 3-7 v Down 1-6  That superpower from the west too good today? No big pat on your own back from yourself today, unlike last week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FML on April 16, 2016, 09:04:04 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 16, 2016, 08:51:10 PM
Quote from: FML on April 16, 2016, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 16, 2016, 08:04:06 PM
My wee girls name, sorry. I'd rather not give the name of her primary school.


Why not? If you're able to come on here making personal attacks on people why not identify yourself?

Why hide behind a pseudonym?

Unlike yourself obviously. 

Fermanagh 3-7 v Down 1-6  That superpower from the west too good today? No big pat on your own back from yourself today, unlike last week.


A. By name is not concealed, it's there to see.

B. I haven't made the personal attacks on others that you have.

C. I gave myself no pat on the back. I said the players produced a good result.

D. What was your contribution last week or today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on April 16, 2016, 09:36:36 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on April 16, 2016, 07:53:13 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 15, 2016, 01:50:44 PM
A couple of points;

- Balllyholland were leading 1-2 till 4 points when the sending off happened so yes they were well in control of the game at that point!!!

- Kevin McKernan, Dan McCartan, Conor Toner, Mark McKay, Shay McArdle all out last night with Jamie McGovern and Cathal Foy only fit for substitute appearances.  So if ya want to talk about injuries go for it....

- McKernan has ligament damage in his ankle I think so will be out for a while and would be doubtful for Down match I would imagine.  Interesting point by Toolongref all the same.

- It is my understanding that Wards "package" would be no more than the likes of Dawson or McIlvor are getting.  Besides why move the successful underage coaches away from there when they are being successful at what they are doing, rob Peter to pay Paul and all that.

- Murtagh still the class act on the pitch last night at 34.  Says it all about the current state of Down football.

- Going by last night Burren haven't learned much from last year, playing stupid football against defensive teams and leaving themselves open to counters time and time again. Poacher knows how to set up a team but is still an edjit, was going to jump over the wire at one stage last night from what I could see at the other end of the field.



Agree with Whitegoodman on a lot of the above, ventured to two club games Thursday and Friday, club football really is in a bad place in this county, first up Ballyholland v Burren, two complete lunatics managing both clubs, never seen the like of the pressure both tried to place on the referee, one lunatic (poucher) had his team reasonably well organised and hard to beat, the other lunatic (ward) is clueless and is just lucky he has a mountain of talent to get him over the line but when Kilcoo come calling they will fall short again and surely the Burren folk on here would agree. Bar Donal O Hare who was superb and Ronan Murtagh not much to shout about there.

Up next was Castlewellan v Glen, credit to Glen, they are trying to make themselves competitive in a very poor league, Castlewellan have a lot of talent and reached a championship final last year, but when your manager has no discipline neither will your team and this will be their downfall. Glen could and probably should have won the game only for a penalty save a few minutes from the end, by best player on show> Michael Cunningham, a goalkeeper.

I left both games thinking where is the talented footballers we use to see regularly in Down league games up and down the county? What is the problem? Is it the coaches? The schools? Lack of numbers? Why has football in Down got so bad? Has anyone got the answers?
have to agree watched the point / kilcoo and o Hanlon and  laverty were the only class on the field. The point only going one way, down to join rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 16, 2016, 10:02:06 PM
Quote from: FML on April 16, 2016, 09:04:04 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 16, 2016, 08:51:10 PM
Quote from: FML on April 16, 2016, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 16, 2016, 08:04:06 PM
My wee girls name, sorry. I'd rather not give the name of her primary school.


Why not? If you're able to come on here making personal attacks on people why not identify yourself?

Why hide behind a pseudonym?

Unlike yourself obviously. 

Fermanagh 3-7 v Down 1-6  That superpower from the west too good today? No big pat on your own back from yourself today, unlike last week.


A. By name is not concealed, it's there to see.

B. I haven't made the personal attacks on others that you have.

C. I gave myself no pat on the back. I said the players produced a good result.

D. What was your contribution last week or today?

Your name is concealed, three letters mean nothing but your self praise of the U.17's with other related posts made me realise who you were.

I have not attacked anyone but just stated the obvious that your club man is as useless at his job as can be humanly possible and I would love to hear from anyone who would say otherwise.

Your pat on the back to yourself last week should be followed up with a kick on the arse this week.

My contribution, better than yours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaamann on April 16, 2016, 10:21:14 PM
Question for redandblackareback  do you think the outburst from the Castlewellen manager had a effect on the referee Castlewellen seemed to get scoreable frees much easier than Glenn.
The free count inside the scoring zone Castlewellen 15 Glenn 6.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on April 16, 2016, 11:02:46 PM
They say self praise is no recommendation, and having watched the u17 and minors today both squads are very much a work in progress , it was refreshing to see games not overly defensive.Minors could be dark horses come championship time  , I've watched them 3 times now and there is some serious individual talent on show, James has to mould a team and we may be in business.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 17, 2016, 06:25:21 PM
serious beating for ballymartin against saval today. 6-16 to 0-4. looks like a long year ahead for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 18, 2016, 12:08:01 PM
Quote from: FML on April 16, 2016, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 16, 2016, 08:04:06 PM
My wee girls name, sorry. I'd rather not give the name of her primary school.


Why not? If you're able to come on here making personal attacks on people why not identify yourself?

Why hide behind a pseudonym?

you are not seriously asking him to name his daughter are you? You can't criticize the man for not naming a child on an open forum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 19, 2016, 01:23:02 PM
I fear I already know the answer to this question but I will ask anyway.  Anyone know if Marty Clarke will come into the Down squad for the championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 19, 2016, 03:31:04 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 19, 2016, 01:23:02 PM
I fear I already know the answer to this question but I will ask anyway.  Anyone know if Marty Clarke will come into the Down squad for the championship?
No
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on April 19, 2016, 04:22:00 PM
I see Cathal Magee is back playing for the 'Bridge- surely he is exactly what our county team need, a big, skilful and accurate forward who can win his own ball.

If watching the London Final is anything to go by he has lost none of the above!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on April 20, 2016, 01:54:38 PM
I went to the St Johns v an riocht game

competitive enough first half but an riocht done their homework at half time and strolled second half with clever football with martin Clarke very instrumental. he scored 1-2 from play himself but set up plenty even with 2 men on him.

be good to see him in county colours if only to be sprung from bench. alas not looking likely
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 20, 2016, 03:26:05 PM
Some mess in relation to the Down U14 hurling Feíle, cancelled, not cancelled, moved to May, maybe not, needs to be played before that, maybe next week...who to f**k knows!



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 20, 2016, 06:15:48 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 20, 2016, 03:26:05 PM
Some mess in relation to the Down U14 hurling Feíle, cancelled, not cancelled, moved to May, maybe not, needs to be played before that, maybe next week...who to f**k knows!




seen on facebook it was going ahead as planned now. bit of confusion alright, was told last night it was off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 21, 2016, 10:21:38 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 20, 2016, 06:15:48 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 20, 2016, 03:26:05 PM
Some mess in relation to the Down U14 hurling Feíle, cancelled, not cancelled, moved to May, maybe not, needs to be played before that, maybe next week...who to f**k knows!




seen on facebook it was going ahead as planned now. bit of confusion alright, was told last night it was off.
Prime example of the 'Down way'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on April 21, 2016, 10:54:49 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 20, 2016, 06:15:48 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 20, 2016, 03:26:05 PM
Some mess in relation to the Down U14 hurling Feíle, cancelled, not cancelled, moved to May, maybe not, needs to be played before that, maybe next week...who to f**k knows!




seen on facebook it was going ahead as planned now. bit of confusion alright, was told last night it was off.

Not sure of the timelines, but there were issues with pitches (  :-X  )and then we may have been offered another place at the National Feíle necessitating a change in the whole format from two separate leagues with the winners of each going down to Tipp to a third place on offer and then running off all teams into two subsections and then top four in Div1 Semi-finals, next 4 in Div2 Semi-finals and the last 2 in the Div3 final.

There'll be mismatches and so forth, but all the youngsters will get plenty of hurling and something for everyone to play for till the end, so hopefully the weather continues as is and its more about the youngsters prepared to turn up and play than those who aren't there!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 21, 2016, 12:25:28 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 21, 2016, 10:54:49 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 20, 2016, 06:15:48 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on April 20, 2016, 03:26:05 PM
Some mess in relation to the Down U14 hurling Feíle, cancelled, not cancelled, moved to May, maybe not, needs to be played before that, maybe next week...who to f**k knows!




seen on facebook it was going ahead as planned now. bit of confusion alright, was told last night it was off.

Not sure of the timelines, but there were issues with pitches (  :-X  )and then we may have been offered another place at the National Feíle necessitating a change in the whole format from two separate leagues with the winners of each going down to Tipp to a third place on offer and then running off all teams into two subsections and then top four in Div1 Semi-finals, next 4 in Div2 Semi-finals and the last 2 in the Div3 final.

There'll be mismatches and so forth, but all the youngsters will get plenty of hurling and something for everyone to play for till the end, so hopefully the weather continues as is and its more about the youngsters prepared to turn up and play than those who aren't there!
It's playing that matters at that age.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on April 21, 2016, 09:15:26 PM
Good game in Burren tonight .. McGrath from Burren was outstanding at linking the play up. Where'd he come from? Is he still at school?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on April 22, 2016, 01:57:37 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on April 21, 2016, 09:15:26 PM
Good game in Burren tonight .. McGrath from Burren was outstanding at linking the play up. Where'd he come from? Is he still at school?

what level senior ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 22, 2016, 06:46:11 PM
Burren were lucky to come away with a win last night even taking into account missing a few key individuals.  Mayobridge started better and led for the majority of the game.  The ref gave Burren a few soft frees but I think the two bridge sendings off were justified and Mayobridge might need to have a look at their discipline.

They have a decent young defence especially at FB and CB but miss a bit ruthlessness up front apart from O Rourke, Magee could help this if he is back.  Benny looked a shade of the pace but may be carrying an injury or gradually building hs fitness.

Both teams a fair bit behind the magpies.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 23, 2016, 11:44:21 AM
Benny got an injection on Friday for an injury and in hindsight should not have played. A good game in which we played the better football and should have won. I thought Burren got more favourable decisions from the man in the middle😉 Kevin O'Rourke is playing some football for us at the minute, if Geezer does not want him then Eamon Burns should ask him to play for Down. Both teams were missing 5/6 championship starters but I agree that the  magpies are the early pace setters but it's early in the season .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 23, 2016, 11:52:11 AM
O Rourke is playing very good football and had two get feet.  Fond if the talk back to the management too though!!

Couple of dodgy linesmen about the other night too .......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on April 23, 2016, 12:23:11 PM
You may have a word with McKernan 😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 24, 2016, 11:54:55 AM
Quote from: FML on April 16, 2016, 09:04:04 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 16, 2016, 08:51:10 PM
Quote from: FML on April 16, 2016, 08:44:13 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on April 16, 2016, 08:04:06 PM
My wee girls name, sorry. I'd rather not give the name of her primary school.


Why not? If you're able to come on here making personal attacks on people why not identify yourself?

Why hide behind a pseudonym?

Unlike yourself obviously. 

Fermanagh 3-7 v Down 1-6  That superpower from the west too good today? No big pat on your own back from yourself today, unlike last week.


A. By name is not concealed, it's there to see.

B. I haven't made the personal attacks on others that you have.

C. I gave myself no pat on the back. I said the players produced a good result.

D. What was your contribution last week or today?
FML,
   How'd your squad do yesterday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on April 24, 2016, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 15, 2016, 01:50:44 PM
A couple of points;

- Balllyholland were leading 1-2 till 4 points when the sending off happened so yes they were well in control of the game at that point!!!

- Kevin McKernan, Dan McCartan, Conor Toner, Mark McKay, Shay McArdle all out last night with Jamie McGovern and Cathal Foy only fit for substitute appearances.  So if ya want to talk about injuries go for it....

- McKernan has ligament damage in his ankle I think so will be out for a while and would be doubtful for Down match I would imagine.  Interesting point by Toolongref all the same.

- It is my understanding that Wards "package" would be no more than the likes of Dawson or McIlvor are getting.  Besides why move the successful underage coaches away from there when they are being successful at what they are doing, rob Peter to pay Paul and all that.

- Murtagh still the class act on the pitch last night at 34.  Says it all about the current state of Down football.

- Going by last night Burren haven't learned much from last year, playing stupid football against defensive teams and leaving themselves open to counters time and time again. Poacher knows how to set up a team but is still an edjit, was going to jump over the wire at one stage last night from what I could see at the other end of the field.

Are you seriously telling us that a Burren clubman is being paid to manage Burren, never mind somewhere in the serious stakes league that the likes of Dawson has taken in many clubs previously? There are so many clubmen who want to give something back and the honour of taking them is enough reward but Ward taking a sizeable fee in expenses is very strange or selfish indeed or even worse for Burren for paying their own man so much.

I heard during the week that Poacher took some very serious abuse from a number of ex Burren players and people who should know better, they had placed themselves directly behind the Ballyholland dugout to wind him up so is it any wonder he wanted to jump the wire. Ward was also like a man possessed throughout the game I believe, like in all his games.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on April 24, 2016, 06:55:26 PM
Naughty naughty Sam , you know how they did, they were beaten but it wasn't his first 15 out, leave the man alone , unless you wish to stand up and take his position.Lets not forget these coaches do the job for the love of the sport, maybe you should try it or are you one of these dis gruntled parents whose son just isn't good enough at the moment and is a key board warrior.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 25, 2016, 09:28:02 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on April 24, 2016, 06:55:26 PM
Naughty naughty Sam , you know how they did, they were beaten but it wasn't his first 15 out, leave the man alone , unless you wish to stand up and take his position.Lets not forget these coaches do the job for the love of the sport, maybe you should try it or are you one of these dis gruntled parents whose son just isn't good enough at the moment and is a key board warrior.
Lighten up here,I was genuinely asking.I only knew they were playing a game at the Abbey according to Twitter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 25, 2016, 09:08:52 PM
  Good point for Longstone tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on April 25, 2016, 09:16:24 PM
Burren beat CPN 0.9 - 0.7
Who did The Stone draw with ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 25, 2016, 09:25:22 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on April 25, 2016, 09:16:24 PM
Burren beat CPN 0.9 - 0.7
Who did The Stone draw with ?
Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 25, 2016, 09:32:55 PM
Bridge beat the Harps by 3. The bridge no 2 pulled off an unbelievable tackle on Rushe in the last 10 minutes when he was one on one with the keeper. Hand in and dispossessed him clean as whistle. A goal would have put us a point up at that stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 25, 2016, 10:15:39 PM
Wouldn't say strange,St John's at home are very capable of pulling off a win against a good few teams in that division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cb66 on April 25, 2016, 10:21:28 PM
Wouldn't say St. John's beating tullylish at home is a strange result but the margin of victory (15 points) is surprising. Division 2 seems like it is going to be a topsy turvy league this year. Loughinisland and An Riocht will be delighted with their starts. Downpatrick having 3 points from their opening 4 games must be a worry for them, I would have had them down for one of the favourites for promotion at the start! Excellent result for the town tonight against Bryansford!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 25, 2016, 10:36:04 PM
Yeah,I'd agree the margin is a surprise.possibly due to having games on a Monday night after a fixture on the friday some teams with an older squad might suffer a loss you wouldn't expect them to.
Keeps things interesting at both ends of the table.
Downpatrick,the same as any team who suffer relegation,have no right to think they will bounce straight back up.moreso when you are relegated from a sixteen team division one. All the teams who have come down from division one have found out fairly quickly that they are not above the level they are at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on April 25, 2016, 10:38:15 PM
Quote from: Cb66 on April 07, 2016, 06:13:52 PM
Div 1- for  me kilcoo best team in the county again this year. Agree with others that league not their priority and could be one of Burren, bryansford or the bridge to make the title theirs. Think ballymartin and longstone the sides most in danger of relegation.

Div 2- rostrevor and one of rgu or loughinisland to get promoted. St. John's to get relegated alongside one of Darragh Cross, Bredagh or Carryduff.

Div 3- Saul and Bosco to get promoted. Kilclief and dromara or teconnaught to bring up the rear

Div 4- dundrum and aughlisnafin to get promoted

Looking forward to a good year of club football in this county. Good start from clonduff last night!
Contradicting yourself a bit tonight!You previously had St Johns done as a cert for relegation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 25, 2016, 10:40:06 PM
In his defence even the most wide eyed St John's man would say it's a big enough ask to stay up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cb66 on April 25, 2016, 10:45:07 PM
Not a contradiction in the slightest. I would still say St. John's are one of the favourites for relegation. However on their given day, I don't believe it's a massive surprise that they beat Tullylish at home. The real test comes for them in maintaining that sort of consistency throughout a long season with such a small panel but good luck to them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: intheknowhow on April 27, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
Any word in the Down minor team this year? See they had a poor league campaign... hardly much hope for them in the first round against Monaghan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 27, 2016, 06:25:03 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on April 27, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
Any word in the Down minor team this year? See they had a poor league campaign... hardly much hope for them in the first round against Monaghan?
So a question first ,a view of how Down performed in the Minor League and then a further question which really is a prediction.
Go away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on April 27, 2016, 11:01:55 PM
I watched the minors a few times including the trials, don't be overly surprised if they beat Monaghan, there is definitely some decent players in the squad , I like Cox at full back and Laverty at CHB.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: intheknowhow on April 28, 2016, 10:40:53 AM
Quote from: SamFever on April 27, 2016, 06:25:03 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on April 27, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
Any word in the Down minor team this year? See they had a poor league campaign... hardly much hope for them in the first round against Monaghan?
So a question first ,a view of how Down performed in the Minor League and then a further question which really is a prediction.
Go away.

Did I touch a nerve??? This is a gaa forum which people are entitled to their opinion... I asked an open questions which I would like people to engage in... It was merely an observation that they done poorly in the minor league and Monaghan reached the semi final.. An educated guess that Monaghan would be stronger...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 28, 2016, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on April 28, 2016, 10:40:53 AM
Quote from: SamFever on April 27, 2016, 06:25:03 PM
Quote from: intheknowhow on April 27, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
Any word in the Down minor team this year? See they had a poor league campaign... hardly much hope for them in the first round against Monaghan?
So a question first ,a view of how Down performed in the Minor League and then a further question which really is a prediction.
Go away.

Did I touch a nerve??? This is a gaa forum which people are entitled to their opinion... I asked an open questions which I would like people to engage in... It was merely an observation that they done poorly in the minor league and Monaghan reached the semi final.. An educated guess that Monaghan would be stronger...
Well done on reaching the semi..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on April 28, 2016, 09:19:53 PM
Quote from: interested on April 25, 2016, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: east down gael on April 25, 2016, 10:15:39 PM
Wouldn't say strange,St John's at home are very capable of pulling off a win against a good few teams in that division.
Well it's the first in three attempts this season.
Humble pie here,St Johns3-09 Liatroim 1-07
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 28, 2016, 11:07:42 PM
Some nervous teams near the bottom of division two.three favourites for relegation,(St John's,Carryduff and Bredagh) seem very capable of taking scalps.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 29, 2016, 08:54:24 PM
EDG was not far wrong, as Bredagh won at Loughinisland tonight by four points. It was probably the biggest upset in any of our leagues so far this season, and leaves the division wide open at what is admittedly an early stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cb66 on April 29, 2016, 09:54:37 PM
Massive result for Bredagh that there. They play an extremely defensive system which isn't pretty on the eye but It was sure effective tonight. Players are well drilled into playing the system. Loughinislands forwards all completely stifled, think maybe only scored 2/3 points in the whole second half. Two other upsets as well in the other two games tonight, Division 2 seems to be impossible to call.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on April 29, 2016, 10:08:01 PM
Any results? Nothing on downgaa board
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 29, 2016, 10:09:14 PM
Annaclone won against an riocht
Bredagh won in loughinisland
Clann na banna win against tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cb66 on April 29, 2016, 10:11:40 PM
Burren bear castlewellan by a goal also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on April 29, 2016, 10:14:12 PM
Mourne rover is right,the division is wide open.While there are a few teams that will predictably finish in the top two or three,Loughinisland and An riocht being my two picks,the teams in and around them can take points off them.Fontenoys and Downpatrick will also improve on poor starts by their own standards,and annaclone tonight showed they aren't as bad as their previous results showed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 29, 2016, 10:28:48 PM
Division 2 looks like being a very good competition. Teams who were traditionally cannon fodder have really stepped up. Impossible to call a winner at this stage. Burren continue to win but their score lines are getting closer and Kilcoo are ticking along nicely, no doubt it will be between these two although bridge might have a say. CPN have disappointed!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 29, 2016, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on April 29, 2016, 10:08:01 PM
Any results? Nothing on downgaa board

Harps beat CPN by 8.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 01, 2016, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: imagine on April 30, 2016, 08:52:49 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 29, 2016, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on April 29, 2016, 10:08:01 PM
Any results? Nothing on downgaa board

Harps beat CPN by 8.
Two great wins this season.CPN and Ballymartin.
Yeah Warrenpoint have been shocking so far this season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on May 01, 2016, 01:51:51 PM
Quote from: elk on May 01, 2016, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: imagine on April 30, 2016, 08:52:49 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 29, 2016, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on April 29, 2016, 10:08:01 PM
Any results? Nothing on downgaa board

Harps beat CPN by 8.
Two great wins this season.CPN and Ballymartin.
Yeah Warrenpoint have been shocking so far this season

Not making excuses but then again I suppose I am 😋 but The Point were very short v Ballyholland. Missing were - 1st choice keeper Gary McMahon, the 1st choice full back line cormac mccartan, micheal ohare & paddy Murdock. Also missing was Donagh McAleenan + the injured Aaron Magee. With all these guys playing thePoint would not have been beaten by 8 points in fact they would probably have beaten this Ballyholland team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on May 01, 2016, 04:02:22 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on May 01, 2016, 01:51:51 PM
Quote from: elk on May 01, 2016, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: imagine on April 30, 2016, 08:52:49 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 29, 2016, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on April 29, 2016, 10:08:01 PM
Any results? Nothing on downgaa board

Harps beat CPN by 8.
Two great wins this season.CPN and Ballymartin.
Yeah Warrenpoint have been shocking so far this season

Not making excuses but then again I suppose I am 😋 but The Point were very short v Ballyholland. Missing were - 1st choice keeper Gary McMahon, the 1st choice full back line cormac mccartan, micheal ohare & paddy Murdock. Also missing was Donagh McAleenan + the injured Aaron Magee. With all these guys playing thePoint would not have been beaten by 8 points in fact they would probably have beaten this Ballyholland team
In fairness I dare say Ballyholland were missing some players too. It's very rare any team is at full strength. the good thing this year is that there are 22 games so there will be plenty of chances for teams to get back on track.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on May 01, 2016, 07:19:27 PM
Minor 7s
Don't know about the rest of yous but for only 8 EastDown teams & 4 SouthDown teams showed up for their 7s tournaments which for me is really disappointing that clubs dont have 10 boys who would want to play for a chance of a 7s medal

Teams that showed up
East Down (8) -Kilcoo / Castlewellan / Bryansford / Saul / Dundrum / Liatroim / Bright / Teconnaught
South Down (4) - Clonduff / Saval / AnRiocht / Longstone

I think clubs should be fined if they don't show up

Anyone else got opinions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 01, 2016, 07:41:19 PM
Yep I'd have the opposite opinion.

Down county board aren't running a country, they're running games. In other words their job is to facilitate, not to force.

If the interest and enthusiasm isn't there to play some formats of the game, then those instances should be discontinued.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 01, 2016, 08:06:52 PM
The sevens are a waste of time as is this day of the club rubbish next weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on May 01, 2016, 10:38:01 PM
Roscommon scraped by New York tonight by point! A New York team with a sprinkling of down men! Keith Quinn received the first black card of this years championship!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 01, 2016, 11:26:14 PM
Quote from: Predictor on May 01, 2016, 07:19:27 PM
Minor 7s
Don't know about the rest of yous but for only 8 EastDown teams & 4 SouthDown teams showed up for their 7s tournaments which for me is really disappointing that clubs dont have 10 boys who would want to play for a chance of a 7s medal

Teams that showed up
East Down (8) -Kilcoo / Castlewellan / Bryansford / Saul / Dundrum / Liatroim / Bright / Teconnaught
South Down (4) - Clonduff / Saval / AnRiocht / Longstone

I think clubs should be fined if they don't show up

Anyone else got opinions?

The Down Minors decided to have a training weekend down south this weekend, could they not have picked a better date when clubs did not need their players?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 02, 2016, 12:40:15 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on May 01, 2016, 11:26:14 PM
Quote from: Predictor on May 01, 2016, 07:19:27 PM
Minor 7s
Don't know about the rest of yous but for only 8 EastDown teams & 4 SouthDown teams showed up for their 7s tournaments which for me is really disappointing that clubs dont have 10 boys who would want to play for a chance of a 7s medal

Teams that showed up
East Down (8) -Kilcoo / Castlewellan / Bryansford / Saul / Dundrum / Liatroim / Bright / Teconnaught
South Down (4) - Clonduff / Saval / AnRiocht / Longstone

I think clubs should be fined if they don't show up

Anyone else got opinions?

The Down Minors decided to have a training weekend down south this weekend, could they not have picked a better date when clubs did not need their players?
County Minor panellists are not permitted to play Adult Club while the County Minor team are still in the Championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 02, 2016, 01:18:55 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 02, 2016, 12:40:15 AM
Quote from: Line Ball on May 01, 2016, 11:26:14 PM
Quote from: Predictor on May 01, 2016, 07:19:27 PM
Minor 7s
Don't know about the rest of yous but for only 8 EastDown teams & 4 SouthDown teams showed up for their 7s tournaments which for me is really disappointing that clubs dont have 10 boys who would want to play for a chance of a 7s medal

Teams that showed up
East Down (8) -Kilcoo / Castlewellan / Bryansford / Saul / Dundrum / Liatroim / Bright / Teconnaught
South Down (4) - Clonduff / Saval / AnRiocht / Longstone

I think clubs should be fined if they don't show up

Anyone else got opinions?

The Down Minors decided to have a training weekend down south this weekend, could they not have picked a better date when clubs did not need their players?
County Minor panellists are not permitted to play Adult Club while the County Minor team are still in the Championship.
Minor 7's, Hello!!!!!!!

So you are telling me that these Minor club players cannot represent their clubs because the county minors have picked the very same weekend to take them away.  Typical of the way we run things here  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on May 02, 2016, 01:39:26 AM
Quote from: Predictor on May 01, 2016, 07:19:27 PM
Minor 7s
Don't know about the rest of yous but for only 8 EastDown teams & 4 SouthDown teams showed up for their 7s tournaments which for me is really disappointing that clubs dont have 10 boys who would want to play for a chance of a 7s medal

Teams that showed up
East Down (8) -Kilcoo / Castlewellan / Bryansford / Saul / Dundrum / Liatroim / Bright / Teconnaught
South Down (4) - Clonduff / Saval / AnRiocht / Longstone

I think clubs should be fined if they don't show up

Anyone else got opinions?

yeh don't play them at a stupid time such as a bank holiday weekend

fine the clubs ? no not their fault. cant force teams to play them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 03, 2016, 10:29:58 AM
Does not surprise me that the minor Feis sevens was handed this level of disrespect, its a pure disgrace where the Feis sevens at both senior and minor level has descended too, why not make a massive day of it and play the south down games in Pairc Esler, and the east down games in Newcastle, make it into permanent fixtures in the calendar where no other activities happen in the county on that weekend, and its compulsory to enter or punishments will be severe. Any team at any stage can decide not to fulfil a fixture and receive a fine of £100, hardly a deterrent is it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 03, 2016, 04:19:36 PM
As far as I am aware if you do not enter the 7s at Senior level, you are not permitted to enter any other external 7s competition ie Kilmacud 7s etc. Not a huge deterrent but something at least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 03, 2016, 05:27:23 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 03, 2016, 10:29:58 AM
Does not surprise me that the minor Feis sevens was handed this level of disrespect, its a pure disgrace where the Feis sevens at both senior and minor level has descended too, why not make a massive day of it and play the south down games in Pairc Esler, and the east down games in Newcastle, make it into permanent fixtures in the calendar where no other activities happen in the county on that weekend, and its compulsory to enter or punishments will be severe. Any team at any stage can decide not to fulfil a fixture and receive a fine of £100, hardly a deterrent is it?

Surely that's not dissimilar to people suggesting that the Railway Cup should be held in Croke Park and enjoy a six figure marketing blitz?

If the enthusiasm isn't there, don't try to force it. We've more important problems to get to grips with in Down than this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on May 03, 2016, 05:59:57 PM
It's only a sevens competition,can't really see the big issue here. If a member of your senior team got injured playing in a sevens tournament the manager would go mental.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on May 04, 2016, 11:06:21 PM
Always thought the 7s ( when teams took it seriously) was a great competition. The best players in the county playing against each other - and if you were lucky enough to qualify for Kilmacud, you got to line out against some of the best players in the country. How else can the average club player line out against Padraig Joyce for example?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on May 05, 2016, 07:46:04 AM
I can remember watching my team mates put 5 penalties past the great Charlie Nelligan at Kilmacaud in the 80s when we had a great 7 which included Bundie Mason Gary Mason , great memories from an era when all teams put in a seven , sad to see this format of the game in decline
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on May 05, 2016, 09:57:11 AM
Not too many chances of rubbing shoulders against county players in Kilmacud anymore. This competition is dying a death over the past number of years. Down are actually the biggest contributer of teams to it although that changed last year with the 'if you don't play in county 7s you don't play in kilmacud rule'. It was always a great GAA day where you met up with old college mates or former all Ireland players, enjoyed the football and off course the socialising. The gaa calendar has definitely affected it with a lot of club teams still playing championship at that time of year. As regards the Down 7s I think they are dead at the minute which is unfortunate and they will be difficult to revive as there doesn't seem to be an appetite for them. If they could get a sponsor like O'Neills maybe they could have incentive's for the winners like sets of jerseys for club or something although it is maybe not a good road to start going down either. Its a pity as 7s football was always a good days craic when you had the big teams playing in them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on May 05, 2016, 05:57:02 PM
Or just start the season 2 or 3 weeks earlier and play those games on a Saturday or Sunday until the light improves
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 05, 2016, 06:09:19 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on May 05, 2016, 05:57:02 PM
Or just start the season 2 or 3 weeks earlier and play those games on a Saturday or Sunday until the light improves

Surely you remember that the first couple of weekends were destroyed by weather. Starting 2-3 weeks earlier would only add to fixture congestion when the better weather happens.

Two points. A county manager getting upset about club fixtures 4 weeks before the championship is out of order. It's madness and it's a madness fuelled by jealousy of other counties that don't care for their club footballers Central Council really needs to intervene with promises of ejecting counties from championship ball unless club fixtures are being fulfilled all summer long.

Second one. If the above happened the GPA would be up in arms and play the welfare card. Much as I'd love to see this as an opportunity to stamp authority over them, they probably do have a point. So counties must act. The logical thing is to go to 10 team leagues. Problem is that clubs are unlikely to vote for a system that endangers their current status. Some of the traditionally bigger clubs could be looking at years in second tier club football. So this where we need leadership. There's a greater good card to be played, and if necessary beaten across their faces.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 06, 2016, 01:01:00 AM
The debate over club fixtures rears its ugly head again.
This is the single most important issue facing the GAA.
Only a change of mindset will solve this. The club game in Down has a period from Mid April to early July when including starred games, clubs get regular football. Because league and championship status are linked , this has become the most important part of the season for many clubs. To keep clubs with county players happy , CCC fits in as many games as possible creating understandable tension on both sides.
I agree with wobbler that the GAA centrally has to legislate to resolve this issue. We already have the precedent set by the IRFU's international player management scheme.
Let club games go ahead but never more than 1 game per week. For blocks of fixtures all players will be released to clubs , while in addition certain fringe players may be released outside these blocks to give them game time.
However during the dedicated blocks for county football , there should be regular county games (league/round robin championship) and importantly club games still go ahead but as a different competition. For the clubs premier competition (championship) they have unrestricted access to their players and for several games, whilst for the other club competition (league) weekly games go ahead without access to most county players. The important point is that a club with county players at various levels could conceivably play their league football in div 3 , weakened by the loss of their county men , but at least they know they'll have unrestricted access to them for potentially a senior championship campaign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 06, 2016, 08:07:46 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 06, 2016, 01:01:00 AM
The debate over club fixtures rears its ugly head again.
This is the single most important issue facing the GAA.
Only a change of mindset will solve this. The club game in Down has a period from Mid April to early July when including starred games, clubs get regular football. Because league and championship status are linked , this has become the most important part of the season for many clubs. To keep clubs with county players happy , CCC fits in as many games as possible creating understandable tension on both sides.
I agree with wobbler that the GAA centrally has to legislate to resolve this issue. We already have the precedent set by the IRFU's international player management scheme.
Let club games go ahead but never more than 1 game per week. For blocks of fixtures all players will be released to clubs , while in addition certain fringe players may be released outside these blocks to give them game time.
However during the dedicated blocks for county football , there should be regular county games (league/round robin championship) and importantly club games still go ahead but as a different competition. For the clubs premier competition (championship) they have unrestricted access to their players and for several games, whilst for the other club competition (league) weekly games go ahead without access to most county players. The important point is that a club with county players at various levels could conceivably play their league football in div 3 , weakened by the loss of their county men , but at least they know they'll have unrestricted access to them for potentially a senior championship campaign.
6th,one of your "solutions" from Decemebr last year where you are suggesting,May/early June : exam season/no county football matches/unrestricted club football..
You can't wear two hats here.What is your view on the issues facing Eamon Burns and the fixture congestion he sees coming up to the Monaghan game in 4 weeks time?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 06, 2016, 09:06:26 AM
The "solutions" suggested are not for this year , but an aspiration for future years. That aspiration includes amongst other suggestions , club as opposed to county football at exam time , as you have detailed ( I'll take it as a complement that you have forensically perused my previous posts!lol) . Anyone with any degree of insight will have sympathy for The plight of county & club managers and especially players at this time of year. Precedent has shown that legislation ideally from Croke park Is the only way of solving these issues. Eg. though there is disappointment at club level regarding availability of u17s & county minors for senior club football , clubs get on with it, accepting that it is a long term solution to an important player welfare issue. By contrast we see the annual conflict between clubs and county over senior player availability and injury at this time of year. To be fair , Down fixture makers have been better than most counties, and they have had to come up with a fixture programme to accommodate our clubs who voted in a 12 team , two round league (for very good reasons) .
My argument is that as things stand , our fixture makers are being asked to fit round pegs into square holes. Only a directive from Croke park , possibly designed around the principles of the IRFU international player management scheme will protect our county players, whilst invigorating both our club and county game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: intheknowhow on May 06, 2016, 01:08:38 PM
Any word on any Down minor challenge games coming up? Do they still train at the abbey? want to get looking at them before the champ
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on May 06, 2016, 02:41:52 PM
Playing Antrim minors tomorrow at 11 in ballygalget !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheSprinter on May 06, 2016, 03:52:19 PM
Any predictions for tonight's games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 06, 2016, 04:03:52 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 06, 2016, 09:06:26 AM
The "solutions" suggested are not for this year , but an aspiration for future years. That aspiration includes amongst other suggestions , club as opposed to county football at exam time , as you have detailed ( I'll take it as a complement that you have forensically perused my previous posts!lol) . Anyone with any degree of insight will have sympathy for The plight of county & club managers and especially players at this time of year. Precedent has shown that legislation ideally from Croke park Is the only way of solving these issues. Eg. though there is disappointment at club level regarding availability of u17s & county minors for senior club football , clubs get on with it, accepting that it is a long term solution to an important player welfare issue. By contrast we see the annual conflict between clubs and county over senior player availability and injury at this time of year. To be fair , Down fixture makers have been better than most counties, and they have had to come up with a fixture programme to accommodate our clubs who voted in a 12 team , two round league (for very good reasons) .
My argument is that as things stand , our fixture makers are being asked to fit round pegs into square holes. Only a directive from Croke park , possibly designed around the principles of the IRFU international player management scheme will protect our county players, whilst invigorating both our club and county game.
Style ourselves on an IRFU player management scheme.God love us taking our lead from that organisation. Stand Up for the Ulster Men,etc,my a-se!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: intheknowhow on May 06, 2016, 04:05:45 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on May 06, 2016, 02:41:52 PM
Playing Antrim minors tomorrow at 11 in ballygalget !

I am not a fool Mourne Man..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 06, 2016, 09:17:52 PM
  Good wins for CPN,Longstone,Ballyholland and Clonduff.We were beat by three tonight by Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cb66 on May 06, 2016, 10:58:34 PM
Some strange results in Div 1 tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on May 06, 2016, 11:09:19 PM
Burren game wasn't strange, Longstone played very well and worked extremely hard but were helped along by Sean Ward sitting half the team on the bench and only brought 2 of the experienced men on.

Burren hit an awful wides and didn't look to have a cutting edge and stone took their goal when the chance came although Burren.

Hopefully Ward will use a few more big names on Monday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on May 06, 2016, 11:12:20 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on May 06, 2016, 11:09:19 PM
Burren game wasn't strange, Longstone played very well and worked extremely hard but were helped along by Sean Ward sitting half the team on the bench and only brought 2 of the experienced men on.

Burren hit an awful wides and didn't look to have a cutting edge and stone took their goal when the chance came although Burren.

Hopefully Ward will use a few more big names on Monday.

Who's the big names?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on May 07, 2016, 03:53:16 PM
 At least there seems to be plenty of varting results with no one walking away at the top of Div's 1&2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 08, 2016, 12:55:59 AM
Caolan Mooney gave an exhibition for Rostrevor on Friday night away to Bredagh, hitting seven points from play with another four from frees. They were mostly from long distance, after he won position in his own half and used his pace to find enough space to shoot from a variety of angles. It was noticeable that he largely faded out of the game after the break, but he had already done enough to secure the win. If he was fully fit, and totally committed, he would be a huge asset at county level.  It would be a huge pity if it never happens.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaffer on May 08, 2016, 11:27:19 AM
Think he was carrying a niggle in the second half to be fair!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 08, 2016, 01:34:43 PM
I heard he wasn't even going to play as he was unwell. Maybe this was a reason.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on May 08, 2016, 08:49:28 PM
There are a number of players that you could pick who would prob be at least as good as, if not better than what is on the down team at present. The problem is nearly all of them have opted out for their own reasons. Mooney, Clarke, Lavery are 3 that immediately spring to mind.
It's a huge pity that this is the case and we as a county, that means teammates, friends, club and county selectors should be doing all in their power to persuade them to come back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 08, 2016, 10:54:07 PM
We could probably  add Gordon to DF's list but realistically the chances of any of them being involved with Down this summer are slim. If they had made themselves available immediately after the league finished, it would be a different matter. However, with our first round game only a month away, we are going to have to rely on the existing squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on May 09, 2016, 12:52:38 AM
Instead of lamenting the loss of Gordon,laverty,benny etc could we not bring in some players who might offer us something going forward in the next ten years?it might be a step backwards to go two forwards,but it would be better than just constantly coming up short.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on May 09, 2016, 11:39:18 AM
Quote from: east down gael on May 09, 2016, 12:52:38 AM
Instead of lamenting the loss of Gordon,laverty,benny etc could we not bring in some players who might offer us something going forward in the next ten years?it might be a step backwards to go two forwards,but it would be better than just constantly coming up short.
Any suggestions as to these players might be EDG?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on May 09, 2016, 09:27:15 PM
Burren must have kept the big names on the bench tonight too! :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on May 09, 2016, 10:19:37 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on May 09, 2016, 09:27:15 PM
Burren must have kept the big names on the bench tonight too!

No they had Conaill, Ciaran and  Gerard McGovern and Dan McCartan back in, 2 Toners, Donal O'Hare, McKernan Shay McArdle, Piaras Murdock  to come back in.

Saval got a great start 1-02 to 0-1, 1-6 to 0-3 at half time and was back to a point half way through 2nd half. Got a penalty with 2 to go and won by 5.

Big performances from Madine and Havern and hard work from the rest got them a good win.
On a poor note young Rice at corner forward clearly run 5yards and kicked Hanna in the head when he was lying on ground.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on May 09, 2016, 11:31:36 PM
Some shock results over the past week. Kilcoo , mayobridge and burren dropping points.
I believe that these teams have all been playing players in different positions and Also been leaving big names out.
They surely aren't caring about the league as much this year and are trying things out ahead of championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 09, 2016, 11:33:13 PM
Quote from: imagine on April 30, 2016, 08:52:49 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 29, 2016, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on April 29, 2016, 10:08:01 PM
Any results? Nothing on downgaa board

Harps beat CPN by 8.
Two great wins this season.CPN and Ballymartin.
Does two comprehensive wins over Castlewellan and Longstone meet with your approval then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on May 09, 2016, 11:40:19 PM
Wrong score line on Down website for Darragh Cross v St Johns. It ended a draw but ref has St Johns won by two.

Final score:

Darragh Cross 1-12 St Johns 0-15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 10, 2016, 06:07:05 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 09, 2016, 11:33:13 PM
Quote from: imagine on April 30, 2016, 08:52:49 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 29, 2016, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on April 29, 2016, 10:08:01 PM
Any results? Nothing on downgaa board

Harps beat CPN by 8.
Two great wins this season.CPN and Ballymartin.
Does two comprehensive wins over Castlewellan and Longstone meet with your approval then?
Yes very impressed. Puts you up the Table a bit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 10, 2016, 11:12:24 PM
Hearing all league games are pulled on Friday night. No official notification yet though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 10, 2016, 11:21:20 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 10, 2016, 11:12:24 PM
Hearing all league games are pulled on Friday night. No official notification yet though.
Another shambles if true.Fixtures were in the Irish News today and sent to Clubs yesterday.Add this to the Minor games being pulled last week and we see the who is running the show.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 10, 2016, 11:43:54 PM
The Down website has them down already
Take them as off
Shambles
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAAHEAD1960 on May 11, 2016, 09:54:17 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 10, 2016, 11:12:24 PM
Hearing all league games are pulled on Friday night. No official notification yet though.

Why are they called off?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on May 11, 2016, 10:26:38 AM
Clubs got official notification last night. Apparently a few clubs were giving out about the starred games even though it was in the fixture list from the start. So they have pulled games this Friday and starred next Friday's games as county are playing a challenge game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: intheknowhow on May 11, 2016, 10:42:34 AM
Any word how Down minors got on in challenge game last weekend? I see minor games pulled... must be stepping up the prep for ulster. Do they have  agame this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on May 11, 2016, 10:43:55 AM
God loves a trier! I will give you that!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 11, 2016, 11:36:53 AM
Think the fixtures that aren't affected will go ahead.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 11, 2016, 11:41:30 AM
Quote from: Mourne man on May 11, 2016, 10:43:55 AM
God loves a trier! I will give you that!
what does this mean?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on May 11, 2016, 11:43:38 AM
It's in relation to our friend from Monaghan who keeps trying to get the insight into our minors!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 11, 2016, 02:15:12 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on May 11, 2016, 11:43:38 AM
It's in relation to our friend from Monaghan who keeps trying to get the insight into our minors!
got you now-thanks. He must have a son on their team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: downup on May 11, 2016, 10:26:38 AM
Clubs got official notification last night. Apparently a few clubs were giving out about the starred games even though it was in the fixture list from the start. So they have pulled games this Friday and starred next Friday's games as county are playing a challenge game.
Absolute joke that these fixtures were to be starred without talking to the Clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaffer on May 11, 2016, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: downup on May 11, 2016, 10:26:38 AM
Clubs got official notification last night. Apparently a few clubs were giving out about the starred games even though it was in the fixture list from the start. So they have pulled games this Friday and starred next Friday's games as county are playing a challenge game.
Absolute joke that these fixtures were to be starred without talking to the Clubs.

The clubs were spoken to at length about fixtures!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaffer on May 11, 2016, 09:52:44 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 06:38:20 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 11, 2016, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: downup on May 11, 2016, 10:26:38 AM
Clubs got official notification last night. Apparently a few clubs were giving out about the starred games even though it was in the fixture list from the start. So they have pulled games this Friday and starred next Friday's games as county are playing a challenge game.
Absolute joke that these fixtures were to be starred without talking to the Clubs.

The clubs were spoken to at length about fixtures!
You are wrong on this point. It's only in the last few weeks that Clubs have realized the Fixtures
were to be starred this Friday.

If some clubs had bothered to turn up at the arranged meeting at beginning of April they would have been better informed!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the goal was on on May 11, 2016, 11:09:01 PM
Who are seniors playing? Be interesting to see personnel on show and level of opposition they are playing against
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 11:39:16 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 11, 2016, 09:52:44 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 06:38:20 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 11, 2016, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: downup on May 11, 2016, 10:26:38 AM
Clubs got official notification last night. Apparently a few clubs were giving out about the starred games even though it was in the fixture list from the start. So they have pulled games this Friday and starred next Friday's games as county are playing a challenge game.
Absolute joke that these fixtures were to be starred without talking to the Clubs.


The clubs were spoken to at length about fixtures!
You are wrong on this point. It's only in the last few weeks that Clubs have realized the Fixtures
were to be starred this Friday.

If some clubs had bothered to turn up at the arranged meeting at beginning of April they would have been better informed!
i think you're on the wrong County message board here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on May 12, 2016, 11:10:30 AM
Rosskarr you are obviously pushing at something here. All clubs were notified of fixtures (including starred games) well in advance of the league even beginning. To suggest they were only starred a few weeks ago is completely inaccurate. The county go on a training weekend every year before championship, as does every county, which was pencilled in before the fixtures were announced and you hardly expect county players to play on the Friday night of that weekend so its either scrap the fixture or star it. I don't think clubs have been treated to badly this year in respect of access to their county players in the league. At the end of May we will be almost half way through the league and Friday week will be the first starred fixture that's going ahead. For clubs to start complaining at this stage is a bit ridiculous. They get rid of county managers on a whim and complain that county isn't good enough and then when county try and prepare for championship they throw the dummies out again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 12, 2016, 11:16:03 AM
I wouldn't be too bothered either way.
Clubs wont have to wait too long til the players are all back playin with them this summer.
Unless they bugger off the US.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 12, 2016, 11:21:27 AM
I fancy us to beat monaghan, we improved as the league went on, expectations are low, there is usually at least one shock in ulster. Maybe im clutching at straws or the annual championship optimism is slowly kicking in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 12, 2016, 11:36:03 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 11:39:16 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 11, 2016, 09:52:44 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 06:38:20 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 11, 2016, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: downup on May 11, 2016, 10:26:38 AM
Clubs got official notification last night. Apparently a few clubs were giving out about the starred games even though it was in the fixture list from the start. So they have pulled games this Friday and starred next Friday's games as county are playing a challenge game.
Absolute joke that these fixtures were to be starred without talking to the Clubs.


The clubs were spoken to at length about fixtures!
You are wrong on this point. It's only in the last few weeks that Clubs have realized the Fixtures
were to be starred this Friday.

If some clubs had bothered to turn up at the arranged meeting at beginning of April they would have been better informed!
i think you're on the wrong County message board here.

maybe the gaffer has moved to our beloved county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downgaa88 on May 12, 2016, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: ardtole on May 12, 2016, 11:21:27 AM
I fancy us to beat monaghan, we improved as the league went on, expectations are low, there is usually at least one shock in ulster. Maybe im clutching at straws or the annual championship optimism is slowly kicking in.

I am on the same boat as yourself ardtole. I have a feeling we may come away with something from this game, whether it will be a win or if the boys give a good account of themselves I am unsure but I don't think the summer will be short as most people expect!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 12, 2016, 05:44:32 PM
Quote from: Downgaa88 on May 12, 2016, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: ardtole on May 12, 2016, 11:21:27 AM
I fancy us to beat monaghan, we improved as the league went on, expectations are low, there is usually at least one shock in ulster. Maybe im clutching at straws or the annual championship optimism is slowly kicking in.

I am on the same boat as yourself ardtole. I have a feeling we may come away with something from this game, whether it will be a win or if the boys give a good account of themselves I am unsure but I don't think the summer will be short as most people expect!
You pair have been in the sun too long.Bookies have us at 3/1 and Monaghan 2/7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 12, 2016, 06:06:10 PM
I expect us to win in clones also.We have improved a lot from the second game of the league where we should have beaten Monaghan and they have not improved IMO
We are a totally different animal now with Eamons on team now on the pitch
Down by 4
Watch the space
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 12, 2016, 07:21:04 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 12, 2016, 06:06:10 PM
I expect us to win in clones also.We have improved a lot from the second game of the league where we should have beaten Monaghan and they have not improved IMO
We are a totally different animal now with Eamons on team now on the pitch
Down by 4
Watch the space
Just keeping your prediction on the record here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 12, 2016, 08:35:29 PM
I too expect us to get close to Monaghan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . actually close to Clones before we realise that we are going to get a hiding.  We'll be lucky if it doesn't get into double figures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 12, 2016, 10:27:48 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on May 12, 2016, 08:35:29 PM
I too expect us to get close to Monaghan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . actually close to Clones before we realise that we are going to get a hiding.  We'll be lucky if it doesn't get into double figures.

Unfortunately I think that you mightn't be too far from the truth here. I think the fact that 'a performance' would be cited as a positive really shows where things are in the county. Hoping for a win obviously but I don't think it's going to happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaffer on May 13, 2016, 07:13:18 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on May 12, 2016, 11:36:03 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 11:39:16 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 11, 2016, 09:52:44 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 06:38:20 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 11, 2016, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: downup on May 11, 2016, 10:26:38 AM
Clubs got official notification last night. Apparently a few clubs were giving out about the starred games even though it was in the fixture list from the start. So they have pulled games this Friday and starred next Friday's games as county are playing a challenge game.
Absolute joke that these fixtures were to be starred without talking to the Clubs.


The clubs were spoken to at length about fixtures!
You are wrong on this point. It's only in the last few weeks that Clubs have realized the Fixtures
were to be starred this Friday.

If some clubs had bothered to turn up at the arranged meeting at beginning of April they would have been better informed!
i think you're on the wrong County message board here.

maybe the gaffer has moved to our beloved county?

Moved there 20 years ago. Wasn't on the wrong county message board !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 13, 2016, 08:58:00 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 13, 2016, 07:13:18 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on May 12, 2016, 11:36:03 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 11:39:16 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 11, 2016, 09:52:44 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 06:38:20 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 11, 2016, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: downup on May 11, 2016, 10:26:38 AM
Clubs got official notification last night. Apparently a few clubs were giving out about the starred games even though it was in the fixture list from the start. So they have pulled games this Friday and starred next Friday's games as county are playing a challenge game.
Absolute joke that these fixtures were to be starred without talking to the Clubs.


The clubs were spoken to at length about fixtures!
You are wrong on this point. It's only in the last few weeks that Clubs have realized the Fixtures
were to be starred this Friday.

If some clubs had bothered to turn up at the arranged meeting at beginning of April they would have been better informed!
i think you're on the wrong County message board here.

maybe the gaffer has moved to our beloved county?

Moved there 20 years ago. Wasn't on the wrong county message board !
You're living in Tyrone according to post you made in Feb this year about RTE coverage.Stay there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 13, 2016, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on May 12, 2016, 08:35:29 PM
I too expect us to get close to Monaghan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . actually close to Clones before we realise that we are going to get a hiding.  We'll be lucky if it doesn't get into double figures.
Which would suit your total negativity to all things Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 13, 2016, 03:14:16 PM
I dont think any Down supporter would argue that Monaghan are clear favourites for the game next month. We had a difficult campaign in a tough league, were we had to blood a lot of young players for one reason or another.
We shipped a few heavy losses but as the campaign went on there were definitly signs of improvement. Im looking forward to the game, i love going to clones, i think we will give it a good rattle and stranger things have happened than us coming away with a victory. Its time to get behind the players that are there and give them some support instead of constant yapping.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 13, 2016, 04:02:44 PM
Quote from: ardtole on May 13, 2016, 03:14:16 PM
I dont think any Down supporter would argue that Monaghan are clear favourites for the game next month. We had a difficult campaign in a tough league, were we had to blood a lot of young players for one reason or another.
We shipped a few heavy losses but as the campaign went on there were definitly signs of improvement. Im looking forward to the game, i love going to clones, i think we will give it a good rattle and stranger things have happened than us coming away with a victory. Its time to get behind the players that are there and give them some support instead of constant yapping.
Correct.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaffer on May 13, 2016, 04:06:19 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 13, 2016, 08:58:00 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 13, 2016, 07:13:18 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on May 12, 2016, 11:36:03 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 11:39:16 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 11, 2016, 09:52:44 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 06:38:20 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 11, 2016, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: downup on May 11, 2016, 10:26:38 AM
Clubs got official notification last night. Apparently a few clubs were giving out about the starred games even though it was in the fixture list from the start. So they have pulled games this Friday and starred next Friday's games as county are playing a challenge game.
Absolute joke that these fixtures were to be starred without talking to the Clubs.


The clubs were spoken to at length about fixtures!
You are wrong on this point. It's only in the last few weeks that Clubs have realized the Fixtures
were to be starred this Friday.

If some clubs had bothered to turn up at the arranged meeting at beginning of April they would have been better informed!
i think you're on the wrong County message board here.

maybe the gaffer has moved to our beloved county?

Moved there 20 years ago. Wasn't on the wrong county message board !
You're living in Tyrone according to post you made in Feb this year about RTE coverage.Stay there.

Down man now hi!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 13, 2016, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 13, 2016, 04:06:19 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 13, 2016, 08:58:00 AM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 13, 2016, 07:13:18 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on May 12, 2016, 11:36:03 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 11:39:16 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 11, 2016, 09:52:44 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 06:38:20 PM
Quote from: Gaffer on May 11, 2016, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 11, 2016, 03:15:36 PM
Quote from: downup on May 11, 2016, 10:26:38 AM
Clubs got official notification last night. Apparently a few clubs were giving out about the starred games even though it was in the fixture list from the start. So they have pulled games this Friday and starred next Friday's games as county are playing a challenge game.
Absolute joke that these fixtures were to be starred without talking to the Clubs.


The clubs were spoken to at length about fixtures!
You are wrong on this point. It's only in the last few weeks that Clubs have realized the Fixtures
were to be starred this Friday.

If some clubs had bothered to turn up at the arranged meeting at beginning of April they would have been better informed!
i think you're on the wrong County message board here.

maybe the gaffer has moved to our beloved county?

Moved there 20 years ago. Wasn't on the wrong county message board !
You're living in Tyrone according to post you made in Feb this year about RTE coverage.Stay there.

Down man now hi!
Welcome. What Club are you with now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on May 14, 2016, 12:21:09 AM
Firstly downup , you mentioned the clubs sack managers at a whim, last manager Jim McCorry left after clubs voted to keep him on a vote of 22 to 13 , the county executive voted to sack him on a vote of 8 in favour and 5 abstentions , so the clubs don't sack on a whim, next the clubs agreed to starred games from next week, Eamonn Burns obviously thought it was necessary for an additional round of games to be starred, so be it, if it helps get a result I'm all for it.I will going to Clones more in hope than expectation, but isn't that what sport is all about, we may get beat, perhaps even badly but it shouldn't stop us from getting behind our team, look what happened with Leicester , they were 5000/1 underdogs, last time I looked Down are no were near than price, so never say never An Dun Abu
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 14, 2016, 09:26:35 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on May 14, 2016, 12:21:09 AM
Firstly downup , you mentioned the clubs sack managers at a whim, last manager Jim McCorry left after clubs voted to keep him on a vote of 22 to 13 , the county executive voted to sack him on a vote of 8 in favour and 5 abstentions , so the clubs don't sack on a whim, next the clubs agreed to starred games from next week, Eamonn Burns obviously thought it was necessary for an additional round of games to be starred, so be it, if it helps get a result I'm all for it.I will going to Clones more in hope than expectation, but isn't that what sport is all about, we may get beat, perhaps even badly but it shouldn't stop us from getting behind our team, look what happened with Leicester , they were 5000/1 underdogs, last time I looked Down are no were near than price, so never say never An Dun Abu
Cut the crap,You're in better form these days!😀
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 14, 2016, 03:11:50 PM
It's wonderful to be optimistic about the Monaghan game but I just can't get it.  Many of us travel in hope more than anything else and will some here are confident that we will do well I just cannot comprehend that it is good enough to accept a decent performance as a successful outcome.  We are a proud county and many of us have been brought up basking in success with regular Ulster finals at minor, U.21 and senior with many great days in Clones. They seem like a distant memory now and all of a sudden we are told we should expect that playing well and maybe keeping the score down can be seen as a positive, I tell you what we have dropped a long we if that is the case. We can blame the unavailability of players, the change of management, the county board, the underage structures, the list goes on.  We are simply not good enough at the minute, we do not have the players or an effective system of play which can win us a game in Ulster, I would love to be proved wrong though.  Someone told me the other day that we have not had any U21 players on the senior squad never mind team for the last two years, that is a sad state of affairs and shows how far our structures are way behind other counties in Ulster.  I cannot remember us being as low but putting up a good show in Clones will not be seen as success in my book, I'm sorry if some of you don't agree.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2016, 03:31:19 PM
I for one think we will beat Monaghan on June 6th
To say we just don't have the players is just wrong
All these players playing outstanding for there clubs at present
Mooney (10points against Bredagh?
Madine (tore burren to pieces)
Clarke (superb last night v rostrevor)
Laverty(consistent all year)
Millar(destroyed ford last night)
Arthur(unmarkable v kilcoo)
J Boyle (MOM display v bridge on Friday)
McArdle (assured full back for Castlewellan )


Down to beat Monaghan by 4

I expect to see a few of the above names play for Down this season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 14, 2016, 03:56:25 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 14, 2016, 03:29:13 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on May 14, 2016, 03:11:50 PM
It's wonderful to be optimistic about the Monaghan game but I just can't get it.  Many of us travel in hope more than anything else and will some here are confident that we will do well I just cannot comprehend that it is good enough to accept a decent performance as a successful outcome.  We are a proud county and many of us have been brought up basking in success with regular Ulster finals at minor, U.21 and senior with many great days in Clones. They seem like a distant memory now and all of a sudden we are told we should expect that playing well and maybe keeping the score down can be seen as a positive, I tell you what we have dropped a long we if that is the case.  We can blame the unavailability of players, the change of management, the county board, the underage structures, the list goes on.  We are simply not good enough at the minute, we do not have the players or an effective system of play which can win us a game in Ulster, I would love to be proved wrong though.  Someone told me the other day that we have not had any U.21 players on the senior panel never mind team for the last two years, that is a sad state of affairs and shows how far our structures are way behind other counties in Ulster.  I cannot remember us being as low but putting up a good show in Clones will not be seen as success in my book, I'm sorry if some of you don't agree.
Zzzzzzzzz!You'd be some craic on a night out.We all live in hope that Down will do well.

Relevance? There is a reply which would probably get me banned and involves any lady friends of yours but I wouldn't go there  ;)

Yes, we all live and travel in hope but as I stated I just don't share the optimism of many on here. I am entitled to my opinion whether you agree with it or not. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 14, 2016, 05:38:18 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2016, 03:31:19 PM
I for one think we will beat Monaghan on June 6th
To say we just don't have the players is just wrong
All these players playing outstanding for there clubs at present
Mooney (10points against Bredagh?
Madine (tore burren to pieces)
Clarke (superb last night v rostrevor)
Laverty(consistent all year)
Millar(destroyed ford last night)
Arthur(unmarkable v kilcoo)
J Boyle (MOM display v bridge on Friday)
McArdle (assured full back for Castlewellan )


Down to beat Monaghan by 4

I expect to see a few of the above names play for Down this season
How many of the above are in the squad???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2016, 05:45:42 PM
None
I'm hoping to see a few on the squad
Probably running out of time as we are 3 weeks away from Monaghan
Anyword how the game against Cork today went?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on May 14, 2016, 06:40:16 PM
Great reading the two ends of the hope spectrum here, abject dejection versus unbridled hope, I'm hoping for a narrow win maybe a point in it, but I have been round a few championship venues in my time and we are not in as good a shape as we have been in the past, but Monaghan aren't exactly top of the tree either, I only hope that Eamonn has a game plan to deal with McManus which doesn't involve us getting a black card or reduced to 14 men, Monaghan are obviously confident , hopefully over confident and then we might have a chance.
However one thing , listing players who are playing well with their club won't help because at this stage they won't be called in as they probably have been asked and answered no.
Still think the minors can win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on May 14, 2016, 08:49:04 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on May 14, 2016, 06:40:16 PM
Great reading the two ends of the hope spectrum here, abject dejection versus unbridled hope, I'm hoping for a narrow win maybe a point in it, but I have been round a few championship venues in my time and we are not in as good a shape as we have been in the past, but Monaghan aren't exactly top of the tree either, I only hope that Eamonn has a game plan to deal with McManus which doesn't involve us getting a black card or reduced to 14 men, Monaghan are obviously confident , hopefully over confident and then we might have a chance.
However one thing , listing players who are playing well with their club won't help because at this stage they won't be called in as they probably have been asked and answered no.
Still think the minors can win
Yes, no doubt. By the sound of it there has been alot of work put into it and it would be great to see something positive come out of this year. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 15, 2016, 08:35:57 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2016, 03:31:19 PM
I for one think we will beat Monaghan on June 6th
To say we just don't have the players is just wrong
All these players playing outstanding for there clubs at present
Mooney (10points against Bredagh?
Madine (tore burren to pieces)
Clarke (superb last night v rostrevor)
Laverty(consistent all year)
Millar(destroyed ford last night)
Arthur(unmarkable v kilcoo)
J Boyle (MOM display v bridge on Friday)
McArdle (assured full back for Castlewellan )


Down to beat Monaghan by 4

I expect to see a few of the above names play for Down this season

What about the players that are on the panel - how are they performing for their clubs? Surely that's a lot more importantly. The above is pie in the sky stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 16, 2016, 03:12:51 PM
Pie in the sky stuff maybe but let's call a spade a spade
These lads should all be playing
Well most of our squad are carrying injuries at present
I'm sticking by my prediction that Down will win by 4+
I've just got that feeling
We have some tremendous players that Monaghan will not be ready for
Man for man we are as good as any team in Ireland with the exception of Dublin and Kerry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 16, 2016, 03:18:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 16, 2016, 03:12:51 PM
Pie in the sky stuff maybe but let's call a spade a spade
These lads should all be playing
Well most of our squad are carrying injuries at present
I'm sticking by my prediction that Down will win by 4+
I've just got that feeling
We have some tremendous players that Monaghan will not be ready for
Man for man we are as good as any team in Ireland with the exception of Dublin and Kerry

Could I have a bit of whatever you are smoking.  Player for player this is the worst down team in years !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 16, 2016, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 16, 2016, 03:12:51 PM
Pie in the sky stuff maybe but let's call a spade a spade
These lads should all be playing
Well most of our squad are carrying injuries at present
I'm sticking by my prediction that Down will win by 4+
I've just got that feeling
We have some tremendous players that Monaghan will not be ready for
Man for man we are as good as any team in Ireland with the exception of Dublin and Kerry
You are completely misguided here.Not many current Down players would make the Tyrone team at present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 16, 2016, 10:03:59 PM
Smurfy asked about the Cork game and the suggestions are that we were quite impressive in the first half, with Poland going particularly well, but faded away after the break. However, we apparently experimented without sweepers in the second half which may have had an impact on the result. Is the Arthur included in your list of missing players big McConville ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 16, 2016, 11:13:17 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 16, 2016, 03:12:51 PM
Pie in the sky stuff maybe but let's call a spade a spade
These lads should all be playing
Well most of our squad are carrying injuries at present
I'm sticking by my prediction that Down will win by 4+
I've just got that feeling
We have some tremendous players that Monaghan will not be ready for
Man for man we are as good as any team in Ireland with the exception of Dublin and Kerry

Let's call a spade a spade, they aren't in the squad!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 16, 2016, 11:50:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2016, 03:31:19 PM
I for one think we will beat Monaghan on June 6th
To say we just don't have the players is just wrong
All these players playing outstanding for there clubs at present
Mooney (10points against Bredagh?
Madine (tore burren to pieces)
Clarke (superb last night v rostrevor)
Laverty(consistent all year)
Millar(destroyed ford last night)
Arthur(unmarkable v kilcoo)
J Boyle (MOM display v bridge on Friday)
McArdle (assured full back for Castlewellan )


Down to beat Monaghan by 4

I expect to see a few of the above names play for Down this season
McArdle- Castlewellan???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on May 17, 2016, 02:11:42 PM
I think we need to call in GBDA (GAA Board Doping Agency) for some of you lot who think Down will win.

Who is going to nullify Connor McManus?
Who is going to get our scores? Neil McAdam, Vinny Corey, Colin Walshe, Dessie Mone, etc. will run over the top of our small, light and limited forward line.
Is any midfield combination we have going to compete against any intercounty team let alone the Ulster Champions?
Is Eamonn Burns going to be able to out fox Malachy O'Rourke?

We will do well to not be beat out the gate. We may forget about senior football for the next 6 years and look at ploughing our resources into actually building some form of youth structure to develop our youngsters

While we are at let's get rid of the county board leadership, for the complete lack of vision or competency to implement anything that could be considered a youth development structure
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 17, 2016, 06:15:02 PM
While it's easy to sit behind a computer and ridicule people ,I would like to say that the structures at underage county development are beginning to take shape these last two years. The appointment of Paddy O Rourke to oversee all has really improved things and there is valuable coaching going on with our underage academy squads at present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 17, 2016, 06:25:10 PM
We are simply not good enough at management or a playing level, sooner the idiots on here realise that the better, I will reserve judgement on the great coaching going on at underage level T O Hare until I hear more, not convinced.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 17, 2016, 09:09:08 PM
James McCartan taking the minor team is surely a very positive step, I cant think of a better candidate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on May 18, 2016, 12:46:53 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 17, 2016, 06:25:10 PM
We are simply not good enough at management or a playing level, sooner the idiots on here realise that the better, I will reserve judgement on the great coaching going on at underage level T O Hare until I hear more, not convinced.

I was the biggest critic a few years back but it's improved and I expect more to come. We are no where near the likes of Tyrone but it's a lot better than 5 years ago. There is a lot of volunteering work going on behind the scenes that we should be thankful for rather than snipe at. We all can improve and strive to be better!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on May 18, 2016, 12:42:43 PM
Sorry T O'Hare but can you tell me what structure we have exactly? 12 yrs ago Tyrone invested heavily in their youth structures, created a centre of excellence and thus excelled on a provincial and national stage. They have been able to develop young talents  and turn them into quality, athletic intercounty footballers.

St Colman's College won 2 Hogan Cups in a row, with a high proportion of those players being from Down- where are these lads now? Donal O'Hare  is the only one who has made any significant impact on the county scene. Where was the vision then from the county board to grab hold of these players and develop them into athletes capable of competing at top intercounty standard? Best minor team we had in last 7/8 yrs in 2009 (made AI Semi Final)- why have none of those lads kicked on to county?

A lot of people like to blame the player, especially the younger players, for not committing to Down, but why would they? They have been let down by the lack of structures that have been in place in other counties for over a decade. We aren't 5 yrs behind- we're 15 yrs behind!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 18, 2016, 01:23:43 PM
The fact that Paddy O Rourke is overseeing everything is a massive plus
James McCartan is now our minor manager
And whether you like him or not Steven Poacher is our under 17 manager
Now I don't think we could ask for any better than that
Let's call a spade a spade
Poacher will be the next Down minor manager when or of James decides to take the Big one again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on May 18, 2016, 03:35:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 16, 2016, 03:12:51 PM
Pie in the sky stuff maybe but let's call a spade a spade
These lads should all be playing
Well most of our squad are carrying injuries at present
I'm sticking by my prediction that Down will win by 4+
I've just got that feeling
We have some tremendous players that Monaghan will not be ready for
Man for man we are as good as any team in Ireland with the exception of Dublin and Kerry

Well my appetite is duly whetted!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 18, 2016, 03:53:44 PM
The best/most celebrated players don't always make the best managers/coaches.

Theres a serious clique exists in Down and I cant see it getting any better in years to come. There is little scope for new faces, favouritism towards previous 'heroes' and a resistance to grassroots change. Will watch with interest how the 'steering committee' get on over the coming years and the changes they implement.

None of the recently named would put a patch on the contribution that the likes of Peter Donnelly has made to both Cavan and Tyrone football in the last 10 years in an off-field capacity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 18, 2016, 04:05:40 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 18, 2016, 03:53:44 PM
The best/most celebrated players don't always make the best managers/coaches.

Theres a serious clique exists in Down and I cant see it getting any better in years to come. There is little scope for new faces, favouritism towards previous 'heroes' and a resistance to grassroots change. Will watch with interest how the 'steering committee' get on over the coming years and the changes they implement.

None of the recently named would put a patch on the contribution that the likes of Peter Donnelly has made to both Cavan and Tyrone football in the last 10 years in an off-field capacity.
First time I've heard someone referring to Poacher as a hero!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on May 18, 2016, 04:38:23 PM
Yeah, because harping back to former county players has brought us some great success in the past....

I'd like someone to name me any player from the 91/94 team(James McCartan excluded) that has had a successful stint at management?

What experience do all the above mentioned have at developing young players? What expertise are they going to bring in terms of Strength and Conditioning? Do we have cohesive plan as to how we want Down teams to play no matter what age group? So many simple solutions to these issues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 18, 2016, 05:11:22 PM
Correct me if im wrong but if the steering committee are entrusted with the appointments of management teams and personnel within the county then the spotlight really is on them to deliver.
After all they are the guys who put people into these positions.
Too many gurus, saviours and PR maniacs masquerading as managers/coaches in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 18, 2016, 05:52:31 PM
What's your simple solutions to these problems?
And what do you mean about do they know the way Down play??
Is there now a way Down have to play?
I never heard the likes of it.
Did Dublin not loose and all Ireland 2 years ago by playing all out attack with number 6 going on the attack now they have changed ther style with the 6 sitting at all time with Flynn playing a more defensive role so not to get hit on the coubter attack like Donegal 2 years ago
Teams change systems every few years
Poacher played all out defence against Burren but changed to an all out attack against Longstone and Castlewellan and trounced both teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on May 18, 2016, 11:14:41 PM
Answers on a postcard please....

We have a player who's had a red (2 yellows) in a game and a black card in the last game. Is he suspended for the next game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on May 19, 2016, 01:32:37 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 18, 2016, 05:52:31 PM
What's your simple solutions to these problems?
And what do you mean about do they know the way Down play??
Is there now a way Down have to play?
I never heard the likes of it.
Did Dublin not loose and all Ireland 2 years ago by playing all out attack with number 6 going on the attack now they have changed ther style with the 6 sitting at all time with Flynn playing a more defensive role so not to get hit on the coubter attack like Donegal 2 years ago
Teams change systems every few years
Poacher played all out defence against Burren but changed to an all out attack against Longstone and Castlewellan and trounced both teams

Where did I say there was a Down way to play? Look at Tyrone, generally, all their teams play the same way. Systems are always going to evolve as the game does that's natural but that doesn't mean to say that there should be a clear idea within the county board of how we want our senior team to play and implement those same principles down through the grades. Whatever system that might be. We've looked far too short term recently (debacle regarding McCorry prime example) and need to have a vision for what the future is.

Johann Cruyff had a similar vision for Barcelona's youth teams play the same way as their senior team and it has seemed to work out all right for them!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 19, 2016, 02:26:49 PM
How do all Tyrone teams play the same?
That could not be further from the truth.The Tyrone team that won the All Ireland under 21 played with 2 men inside and 2 on the 40
Where as Mickey Hartes senior team play with 3 on the 40 at all times with number 10 and now colm Cavanagh playing a defensive role .Where are you getting this from that they play the same style?
Also Tyrones under 21 half back line has not the freedom to attack like Harte gives his senior team
Think of the Tyrone half back lines of years gone by Jordan Ryan Mc,Davy Harte,Pete Harte all attacking half backs
Are you saying Tyrone under 21s were allowed that freedom???No way
And I seen Tyrone Live 3 times and on TV in the final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 19, 2016, 05:59:16 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 19, 2016, 02:26:49 PM
How do all Tyrone teams play the same?
That could not be further from the truth.The Tyrone team that won the All Ireland under 21 played with 2 men inside and 2 on the 40
Where as Mickey Hartes senior team play with 3 on the 40 at all times with number 10 and now colm Cavanagh playing a defensive role .Where are you getting this from that they play the same style?
Also Tyrones under 21 half back line has not the freedom to attack like Harte gives his senior team
Think of the Tyrone half back lines of years gone by Jordan Ryan Mc,Davy Harte,Pete Harte all attacking half backs
Are you saying Tyrone under 21s were allowed that freedom???No way
And I seen Tyrone Live 3 times and on TV in the final
Yawn zzzz.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 19, 2016, 06:06:35 PM
Yawn?
It's a discussion board you fool
Have a look at your own comments then talk about yawn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 19, 2016, 07:00:04 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 19, 2016, 06:06:35 PM
Yawn?
It's a discussion board you fool
Have a look at your own comments then talk about yawn
Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 19, 2016, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 19, 2016, 07:00:04 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 19, 2016, 06:06:35 PM
Yawn?
It's a discussion board you fool
Have a look at your own comments then talk about yawn
Just my opinion.


Then you would be better articulating it rather than taking the piss out of someone who has written a fairly lengthy counter argument to a previous point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 19, 2016, 09:04:31 PM
Fair play ogra
I thought it was a valid point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 19, 2016, 09:46:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 19, 2016, 09:04:31 PM
Fair play ogra
I thought it was a valid point
Which in turn is  is your opinion.I couldn't really articulate my opinion without insulting him which I
don't want to do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 19, 2016, 10:24:19 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 19, 2016, 09:46:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 19, 2016, 09:04:31 PM
Fair play ogra
I thought it was a valid point
Which in turn is  is your opinion.I couldn't really articulate my opinion without insulting him which I
don't want to do.

Smurfy puts forward an argument stating that Tyrone's various underage teams do not play with the same tactical style as their senior team. If you disagree with the point then you can put forward evidence or a theory which disproves this. If someone gets offended by that they have no place on an opinion forum. If you're unable to structure an argument without offending someone through personal digs/taunts/insults then likewise you would have no place on the board.

I mightn't comment much on this thread but I like to think that when I do it gives more of an insight into Down football then 'yawn zzz'. If you're not willing to write a decent response don't belittle people who do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 19, 2016, 11:08:19 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on May 19, 2016, 10:24:19 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 19, 2016, 09:46:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 19, 2016, 09:04:31 PM
Fair play ogra
I thought it was a valid point
Which in turn is  is your opinion.I couldn't really articulate my opinion without insulting him which I
don't want to do.

Smurfy puts forward an argument stating that Tyrone's various underage teams do not play with the same tactical style as their senior team. If you disagree with the point then you can put forward evidence or a theory which disproves this. If someone gets offended by that they have no place on an opinion forum. If you're unable to structure an argument without offending someone through personal digs/taunts/insults then likewise you would have no place on the board.

I mightn't comment much on this thread but I like to think that when I do it gives more of an insight into Down football then 'yawn zzz'. If you're not willing to write a decent response don't belittle people who do.
Super insight oh wise one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 20, 2016, 12:23:32 AM
Your previous 8 posts have hardly been insightful
Taken wee digs looking other board members to commend you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 20, 2016, 01:35:41 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 20, 2016, 12:23:32 AM
Your previous 8 posts have hardly been insightful
Taken wee digs looking other board members to commend you
I am not looking commendation from other posters least of al you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 20, 2016, 07:44:28 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 20, 2016, 12:23:32 AM
Your previous 8 posts have hardly been insightful
Taken wee digs looking other board members to commend you

I think it's clear we've found a WUM, no point arguing with him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 20, 2016, 09:23:30 AM
 With there being starred games tonight it may cause a few upsets.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 22, 2016, 08:24:30 PM
Not long now til the Monaghan game, anyone hazard a guess at the starting 15? Any players called into the squad after the national league?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 22, 2016, 10:35:35 PM
So Tyrone played a totally different style of football today than what they played last season
And people talk about all out Down teams playing the same way
If all our teams played the same way we would be very predictable
Peter Harte came through on goal in the first half point was on Harte give the 1-2 with Cavanagh back of net is that's style of play or would that be Harte thinking on his feet??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 22, 2016, 11:48:44 PM
In response to Ed Hardy's question, it is particularly difficult to predict a starting 15 for Clones because it is the first championship game for a new manager who has just come through a very difficult league. We can be fairly sure that Kane will be in goals and it would be a huge surprise if Gerard McGovern, who has nailed down his position quietly and effectively, is not at full back. Darren O'Hagan should be in one corner but there are several candidates for the other side. McArdle will hopefully be fit and could be in either the full back or half back line. Carr is the likely centre half and Burns clearly feels that O'Hanlon's overlapping potential balances out his occasionally haphazard distribution.
Turley should be at midfield with Brown possibly beside him. Burns has so far favoured McKernan and Conaill McGovern as defensively minded forwards which only leaves four other spots. Poland's league form was mixed but he has apparently shown up well in challenge games and Devlin's ability as a left sided free taker could get him in. O'Hare and Barry O'Hagan may be in the full forward line but there are plenty of other contenders. We should have a team with plenty of pace, youth and hunger but we can only hope that they are capable of putting it up to a vastly experienced Monaghan side on the big day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 24, 2016, 12:18:16 PM
 Looking forward to the Minor game on Sunday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 24, 2016, 02:54:01 PM
Meet your hero's tomorrow night in Parch Esler, any news on the minors for Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: intheknowhow on May 24, 2016, 04:03:48 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 24, 2016, 12:18:16 PM
Looking forward to the Minor game on Sunday night.

Should be good. See where these bunch of lads are at
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on May 25, 2016, 12:37:37 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 22, 2016, 10:35:35 PM
So Tyrone played a totally different style of football today than what they played last season
And people talk about all out Down teams playing the same way
If all our teams played the same way we would be very predictable
Peter Harte came through on goal in the first half point was on Harte give the 1-2 with Cavanagh back of net is that's style of play or would that be Harte thinking on his feet??

Tyrone played a different style of football than last year? You are having a laugh aren't you? Men behind the ball and breaking at pace led by the runners from the half back line, Colm Cavanagh sitting on the D an springboarding attacks when opposition breaks down is the exact same thing they did last year.

Are you trying to say that the fact Perter Harte played a 1 2 with Cavanagh that is him not adhering to a style of play?? Catch a grip!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 25, 2016, 01:07:44 PM
Sure they have changed from last year
More goals in 1 game than what was scored the whole of last years run
Anyway here's my 15 for next week
Kane
O hagen
McGovern
Howard
O Hanlon
McArdle
C McGovern
Turley
Brown
Maginn
Poland
Devlin
Mckernan sweeper
O Hare
O Hagen

Something tells me I have missed a big name?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 25, 2016, 07:13:54 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 25, 2016, 01:07:44 PM
Sure they have changed from last year
More goals in 1 game than what was scored the whole of last years run
Anyway here's my 15 for next week
Kane
O hagen
McGovern
Howard
O Hanlon
McArdle
C McGovern
Turley
Brown
Maginn
Poland
Devlin
Mckernan sweeper
O Hare
O Hagen

Something tells me I have missed a big name?
And maybe included players that have no chance of being on the pitch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 25, 2016, 08:41:59 PM
Really?
Like who?
I think all the players that I have mentioned have a chance of being on the pitch.
Baffled by the players u believe have no chance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 25, 2016, 09:20:30 PM
Don't think smurfys team will be far off.  Are mckernan and McArdle back to full fitness? If not who replaces them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 25, 2016, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 25, 2016, 09:20:30 PM
Don't think smurfys team will be far off.  Are mckernan and McArdle back to full fitness? If not who replaces them?
We'll see come Sunday week how accurate we all are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 25, 2016, 10:05:55 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 25, 2016, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 25, 2016, 09:20:30 PM
Don't think smurfys team will be far off.  Are mckernan and McArdle back to full fitness? If not who replaces them?
We'll see come Sunday week how accurate we all are.
wheres your team so we can see how accurate you are on Sunday week??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on May 26, 2016, 10:29:50 AM
Joe Murphy will be in the starting 15 in Clones..one of Downs better players in the National League
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheSprinter on May 26, 2016, 04:27:24 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 25, 2016, 01:07:44 PM
Sure they have changed from last year
More goals in 1 game than what was scored the whole of last years run
Anyway here's my 15 for next week
Kane
O hagen
McGovern
Howard
O Hanlon
McArdle
C McGovern
Turley
Brown
Maginn
Poland
Devlin
Mckernan sweeper
O Hare
O Hagen

Something tells me I have missed a big name?
Really cannot understand how you can say Henry Brown will start and Joe Murphy will not. Murphy was one of Down's best players in the league and is one of Down's best runners with and without the ball?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on May 26, 2016, 05:07:19 PM
Is mark McKay not fit to start Vs monaghan? Would prefer him
Over brown...
Is Mckernan fit?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 26, 2016, 05:13:06 PM
Yes Murphy will start sorry I knew I missed someone but not at the expense of a midfielder
I hear we are flying in matches and training this past 3-4 weeks
Poland app playing the best football of his career
McKernan back on Friday night in a challenge game
Went very well at wing half forward dropping back
Big Turley give that lad Heslin a roasting against Westmeath on Friday night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 26, 2016, 07:27:15 PM
Joe Murphy has to start. As you lads said he was one of our best players in the league. He is having his best season ever for the Harps....bit prone to the odd black or yella though...sorry Joseph ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 26, 2016, 07:50:20 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 26, 2016, 07:27:15 PM
Joe Murphy has to start. As you lads said he was one of our best players in the league. He is having his best season ever for the Harps....bit prone to the odd black or yella though...sorry Joseph ;)

Was just thinking that. He played very well from what I saw of him in the league, but the biggest problem is that he seems to get a black card every other game. Does a lot of running and I think Down suffered each time he got taken off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on May 26, 2016, 09:53:22 PM
Championship draws made tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 26, 2016, 10:35:02 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 26, 2016, 05:13:06 PM
Yes Murphy will start sorry I knew I missed someone but not at the expense of a midfielder
I hear we are flying in matches and training this past 3-4 weeks
Poland app playing the best football of his career
McKernan back on Friday night in a challenge game
Went very well at wing half forward dropping back
Big Turley give that lad Heslin a roasting against Westmeath on Friday night
How have the friendlies gone and who all have we played. Haven't Seen Or Heard Anything On The Warm Up games. Won't make clones as I'm on holidays but I will tune in for it. Hoping for a positive performance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2016, 08:04:23 AM
Well that's what I know about the challenge games
Hammered Westmeath last Friday night and that's with Heslin and Co out
McKernan was super on his return
Great vibes coming out of the camp
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 27, 2016, 09:13:50 AM
Westmeath are playing div 4 next year i think. Still a win would be good for morale.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2016, 09:28:58 AM
Yeah but they are not a bad championship team
We have seemed to improve as the year has went on(although it could only get better)
I'm hearing great reports from training and if we can take that form into Sunday we will win
To hammer any team this time of year is encouraging
Am I the only one here to think we will take Monaghan by 4-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 27, 2016, 10:21:31 AM
Monaghan -4 is like buying money.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on May 27, 2016, 10:40:06 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2016, 09:28:58 AM
Yeah but they are not a bad championship team
We have seemed to improve as the year has went on(although it could only get better)
I'm hearing great reports from training and if we can take that form into Sunday we will win
To hammer any team this time of year is encouraging
Am I the only one here to think we will take Monaghan by 4-5

Smurfy I hope I'm wrong but I cant see it buddy you cant go through an entire league campaign without winning a match and expect to turn on it on once championship comes. But hey I'll be first to admit I was wrong should we win!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2016, 12:26:39 PM
Are the championship draws online?
Samfever saying as you think the team I've named is that far off the mark I would like to see what you think the team may be?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 27, 2016, 12:28:13 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2016, 12:26:39 PM
Are the championship draws online?
Samfever saying as you think the team I've named is that far off the mark I would like to see what you think the team may be?

They're on the Facebook page if not the county website.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 27, 2016, 02:24:56 PM
Id probably go with

Kane
O Hagan
McGovern
Collins
McKibbon
Carr
B McArdle
Turley (C Cavanagh role )
McKernan ( Donnelly role)
Murphy ( filtering back)
Devlin
McGovern ( filtering back )
O hare
S McArdle
Poland

Don't think Burns will go this though, doubts over mckernan and 2 mcardles fitness, he likes mckernan at wing forward anyway and devlin is unlikely to start.

Cant see anything but at least a 6 point defeat, unlike Smurfy I hear all isn't that great in the camp.  I must be hearing from a sub and he is hearing from a starter !!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2016, 03:07:57 PM
Ha ha well said white

I like the look of that team if all were fit

Do tell us what's not well in the camp?

Think Devlin is a certain starter thou but I may be wrong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on May 27, 2016, 05:43:58 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 27, 2016, 02:24:56 PM
Id probably go with

Kane
O Hagan
McGovern
Collins
McKibbon
Carr
B McArdle
Turley (C Cavanagh role )
McKernan ( Donnelly role)
Murphy ( filtering back)
Devlin
McGovern ( filtering back )
O hare
S McArdle
Poland

Don't think Burns will go this though, doubts over mckernan and 2 mcardles fitness, he likes mckernan at wing forward anyway and devlin is unlikely to start.

Cant see anything but at least a 6 point defeat, unlike Smurfy I hear all isn't that great in the camp.  I must be hearing from a sub and he is hearing from a starter !!!!!

I know that Down football is at a low ebb but I never thought we'd be so low that we'd begin to model our players' roles on tyrone ones  >:(

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 27, 2016, 05:47:33 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on May 27, 2016, 05:43:58 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 27, 2016, 02:24:56 PM
Id probably go with

Kane
O Hagan
McGovern
Collins
McKibbon
Carr
B McArdle
Turley (C Cavanagh role )
McKernan ( Donnelly role)
Murphy ( filtering back)
Devlin
McGovern ( filtering back )
O hare
S McArdle
Poland

Don't think Burns will go this though, doubts over mckernan and 2 mcardles fitness, he likes mckernan at wing forward anyway and devlin is unlikely to start.

Cant see anything but at least a 6 point defeat, unlike Smurfy I hear all isn't that great in the camp.  I must be hearing from a sub and he is hearing from a starter !!!!!

I know that Down football is at a low ebb but I never thought we'd be so low that we'd begin to model our players' roles on tyrone ones  >:(



It's also quite ridiculous to believe that such a shape can be put together over a month or two of training. Harte is one of the best managers in the history of the game and it's taken a couple of years of drilling and changing to build to that performance on Sunday.



Anyone seen the minor team yet for Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 27, 2016, 06:00:18 PM
Nobody said we should be modelling our players on Tyrone players or follow Tyrones shape, more most teams these days have an attacking midfielder and a defensive midfielder and the Tyrone lads are probably the most obvious ones out there, the Donegal pair are similar.

An awful lot of lads get their knickers in a twist too easily on here, is it your time of the month or something ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on May 27, 2016, 10:52:00 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 27, 2016, 06:00:18 PM
Nobody said we should be modelling our players on Tyrone players or follow Tyrones shape, more most teams these days have an attacking midfielder and a defensive midfielder and the Tyrone lads are probably the most obvious ones out there, the Donegal pair are similar.

An awful lot of lads get their knickers in a twist too easily on here, is it your time of the month or something ???

It's Friday night. My knickers are not twisted  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 27, 2016, 11:01:16 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2016, 12:26:39 PM
Are the championship draws online?
Samfever saying as you think the team I've named is that far off the mark I would like to see what you think the team may be?
I'll let Eamon and Co. do that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 27, 2016, 11:44:26 PM
Harps beaten by a point tonight. I was very impressed by Glenn. Well drilled outfit, big strong athletic, taking scores from distance. We might have deserved a draw but no complaints apart from the clown in the middle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 28, 2016, 08:43:17 AM
You seem to have a wee dig at everyone Sam and you can't back it up
You said a lot of the team I mentioned won't even be near the pitch?Who would you be referring to btw?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 28, 2016, 09:41:04 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 28, 2016, 08:43:17 AM
You seem to have a wee dig at everyone Sam and you can't back it up
You said a lot of the team I mentioned won't even be near the pitch?Who would you be referring to btw?
Settle yourself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 28, 2016, 11:11:11 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 27, 2016, 11:44:26 PM
Harps beaten by a point tonight. I was very impressed by Glenn. Well drilled outfit, big strong athletic, taking scores from distance. We might have deserved a draw but no complaints apart from the clown in the middle.
Personally speaking I think a lot of teams will beat the harps 2nd time round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 28, 2016, 11:19:00 PM
And why would you think that Elk?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 29, 2016, 07:35:20 PM
Any news from Clones?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 29, 2016, 07:37:56 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 29, 2016, 07:35:20 PM
Any news from Clones?
not looking good. Monaghan 1-6 down 0-2 @ ht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 29, 2016, 08:24:20 PM
Minors bow out of Ulster in 1st round. Monaghan 1-13 down 0-11 ft. Hopefully better result next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 29, 2016, 10:56:20 PM
Reports suggest that we improved considerably in the closing stages, got within four points and were pushing hard for a goal when we suffered a late red card which finished us off. However, the sad fact is that the last eight sides we have fielded in the Ulster senior, u21 and minor championship have all gone out in the first round. We are rated as 7/2 outsiders for the trip to Clones next Sunday, which is probably realistic. We are capable of putting it up to Monaghan on a good day, but our pattern of championship results at all levels over the last three seasons reflects poorly on our structures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cb66 on May 30, 2016, 12:34:22 AM
I don't think James' selection policy can be criticised to be honest. The reality is Burren are the best minor club team in the county and Carryduff are the only team close to them. Therefore, it makes sense that a good bulk of the team are made up from there. Having players from Saul, Darragh Cross and Bright on the pitch tonight showed that James surely cast his eye over a wide range of footballers in order to pick what he thought was the best panel for this year. And who are we to argue with a man of James McCartan's knowledge when it comes to football. From travelling down to the match tonight, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the young lads. I understand the reasoning behind the match being on tonight but a big part of playing minor county championship football is being able to play in front of a bumper crowd before the seniors come on. This group will never get to experience that unfortunately.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 30, 2016, 08:39:08 AM
Quote from: Cb66 on May 30, 2016, 12:34:22 AM
I don't think James' selection policy can be criticised to be honest. The reality is Burren are the best minor club team in the county and Carryduff are the only team close to them. Therefore, it makes sense that a good bulk of the team are made up from there. Having players from Saul, Darragh Cross and Bright on the pitch tonight showed that James surely cast his eye over a wide range of footballers in order to pick what he thought was the best panel for this year. And who are we to argue with a man of James McCartan's knowledge when it comes to football. From travelling down to the match tonight, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the young lads. I understand the reasoning behind the match being on tonight but a big part of playing minor county championship football is being able to play in front of a bumper crowd before the seniors come on. This group will never get to experience that unfortunately.
My post states what I think were mistakes made but your assertion that we can't argue how James managed is a bit off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 30, 2016, 10:51:49 AM
If We had converted one of our goal opportunities , I feel it would have given us the momentum to win the game , as we dominated the final quarter . Lack of first half scores proved crucial, with a clear cut penalty turned down.
Some excellent displays, and potential future stars.
Reports indicate that James and his backroom set up were impressive this year, and at least one further championship match would have brought these lads on . Regrettably the current ulster championship structure doesn't afford these players another opportunity-despite the fact that other provinces operate an extended championship series!
Having listened to Joe Brolly yesterday , I think yesterday's game reinforces that the GAA really needs to look at our structures.
Essentially a minor squad & management prepare for months for a once-off game. This game was at
7pm on a Sunday evening , involving for some players a round trip of nearly 200miles, during exam time.
Despite the negative view of our first round defeats in the last two minor campaigns , it's not all doom and gloom, as both teams performed reasonably well , with several quality players hopefully emerging.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 30, 2016, 01:14:24 PM
Laverty(in the 2nd half),McCabe and McCrickard were the stand out players.Other Big names were average.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on May 30, 2016, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 30, 2016, 10:51:49 AM
If We had converted one of our goal opportunities , I feel it would have given us the momentum to win the game , as we dominated the final quarter . Lack of first half scores proved crucial, with a clear cut penalty turned down.
Some excellent displays, and potential future stars.
Reports indicate that James and his backroom set up were impressive this year, and at least one further championship match would have brought these lads on . Regrettably the current ulster championship structure doesn't afford these players another opportunity-despite the fact that other provinces operate an extended championship series!
Having listened to Joe Brolly yesterday , I think yesterday's game reinforces that the GAA really needs to look at our structures.
Essentially a minor squad & management prepare for months for a once-off game. This game was at
7pm on a Sunday evening , involving for some players a round trip of nearly 200miles, during exam time.
Despite the negative view of our first round defeats in the last two minor campaigns , it's not all doom and gloom, as both teams performed reasonably well , with several quality players hopefully emerging.

Why was the minor game last night and not this Sunday before the Seniors?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: armaghniac on May 30, 2016, 03:45:56 PM
Quote from: thebar on May 30, 2016, 03:19:08 PM
Why was the minor game last night and not this Sunday before the Seniors?

Leaving Cert.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 30, 2016, 04:08:28 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 30, 2016, 10:51:49 AM
If We had converted one of our goal opportunities , I feel it would have given us the momentum to win the game , as we dominated the final quarter . Lack of first half scores proved crucial, with a clear cut penalty turned down.
Some excellent displays, and potential future stars.
Reports indicate that James and his backroom set up were impressive this year, and at least one further championship match would have brought these lads on . Regrettably the current ulster championship structure doesn't afford these players another opportunity-despite the fact that other provinces operate an extended championship series!
Having listened to Joe Brolly yesterday , I think yesterday's game reinforces that the GAA really needs to look at our structures.
Essentially a minor squad & management prepare for months for a once-off game. This game was at
7pm on a Sunday evening , involving for some players a round trip of nearly 200miles, during exam time.
Despite the negative view of our first round defeats in the last two minor campaigns , it's not all doom and gloom, as both teams performed reasonably well , with several quality players hopefully emerging.
6th, what quality players can you hope that will emerge from the  '15 and '16 Minor squads?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on May 30, 2016, 04:25:26 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 30, 2016, 03:45:56 PM
Quote from: thebar on May 30, 2016, 03:19:08 PM
Why was the minor game last night and not this Sunday before the Seniors?

Leaving Cert.

cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 30, 2016, 04:53:52 PM
Minors did not start to play until last 15 minutes
What star players have we got at minor level??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on May 30, 2016, 10:09:17 PM
Minors just not good enough on the day,started slow, playing catch up , couldn't quite do it. We can be negative but I would rather take the positives because there are plenty, we now have a good management set up , a lot of the current minor players are available next year but as stated on this forum by several contributors, we have to get the school structures right, the right county coaches in place or the same coaches with a different level of commitment and that lads is the key , commitment , to a level not seen in this county before, I listened to the greatest coach/manager of all time and that was the one thing he sought in his players,commitment total and utter no halfway houses , if we get it from an early age right through to senior level from all concerned from the girl in the county office to the lad pulling on the red and black we will get back to where we should be, and one other thing ditch the notion we are second class, the same coach told me his ideas were founded on how Down played, we have lost our way but i am now more convinced than ever we will be back, now to the next event ,An Dun Abu keep the faith
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on May 30, 2016, 10:27:30 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on May 30, 2016, 10:09:17 PM
Minors just not good enough on the day,started slow, playing catch up , couldn't quite do it. We can be negative but I would rather take the positives because there are plenty, we now have a good management set up , a lot of the current minor players are available next year but as stated on this forum by several contributors, we have to get the school structures right, the right county coaches in place or the same coaches with a different level of commitment and that lads is the key , commitment , to a level not seen in this county before, I listened to the greatest coach/manager of all time and that was the one thing he sought in his players,commitment total and utter no halfway houses , if we get it from an early age right through to senior level from all concerned from the girl in the county office to the lad pulling on the red and black we will get back to where we should be, and one other thing ditch the notion we are second class, the same coach told me his ideas were founded on how Down played, we have lost our way but i am now more convinced than ever we will be back, now to the next event ,An Dun Abu keep the faith
And that it's all sorted now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: intheknowhow on May 31, 2016, 03:26:05 PM
Monaghan kicked 17 wides i read in a match report? Where we that far off them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 01, 2016, 03:42:24 PM
here's a novel idea......why not just lay off the minors and give them a chance to progress instead of continual sniping before they even get a decent run at it

glass half empty brigade
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 01, 2016, 04:18:15 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 01, 2016, 03:42:24 PM
here's a novel idea......why not just lay off the minors and give them a chance to progress instead of continual sniping before they even get a decent run at it

glass half empty brigade
a decent run at what? Their county season is over and most of them are in their final year so minor career is also finished. Novel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 01, 2016, 09:34:39 PM
We , as a county face a problem next year , there's no minor football , clubs will have to provide football for the guys from age 18 to 20 , otherwise clubs could potentially lose players to other sports , am I right in thinking this or has there been a u turn , I'm confused and worried at the same time, any body any solutions or thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 01, 2016, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 01, 2016, 09:34:39 PM
We , as a county face a problem next year , there's no minor football , clubs will have to provide football for the guys from age 18 to 20 , otherwise clubs could potentially lose players to other sports , am I right in thinking this or has there been a u turn , I'm confused and worried at the same time, any body any solutions or thoughts?
Cut the crap,what do you mean no Minor Football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 01, 2016, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 01, 2016, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 01, 2016, 09:34:39 PM
We , as a county face a problem next year , there's no minor football , clubs will have to provide football for the guys from age 18 to 20 , otherwise clubs could potentially lose players to other sports , am I right in thinking this or has there been a u turn , I'm confused and worried at the same time, any body any solutions or thoughts?
Cut the crap,what do you mean no Minor Football?


I think he means plans to move minor to U17, but is that not for county football only? This year minors was meant to be U19 but that decision was reversed as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 02, 2016, 10:01:42 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 01, 2016, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 01, 2016, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 01, 2016, 09:34:39 PM
We , as a county face a problem next year , there's no minor football , clubs will have to provide football for the guys from age 18 to 20 , otherwise clubs could potentially lose players to other sports , am I right in thinking this or has there been a u turn , I'm confused and worried at the same time, any body any solutions or thoughts?
Cut the crap,what do you mean no Minor Football?


I think he means plans to move minor to U17, but is that not for county football only? This year minors was meant to be U19 but that decision was reversed as well?
County Minor is U17 from 2018 on so I still don't know what he means.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 02, 2016, 11:00:08 AM
Quote from: wobbller on June 01, 2016, 04:18:15 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 01, 2016, 03:42:24 PM
here's a novel idea......why not just lay off the minors and give them a chance to progress instead of continual sniping before they even get a decent run at it

glass half empty brigade
a decent run at what? Their county season is over and most of them are in their final year so minor career is also finished. Novel?

at county football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on June 02, 2016, 11:01:51 AM
Any news on when the starting 15 for Sunday will be announced?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 02, 2016, 06:37:09 PM
does anyone know if there is a game of any sort on before the down match this sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 03, 2016, 07:19:24 AM
Monaghan team named:

1. Rory Beggan (Scotstown)
2. Colin Walshe (Doohamlet)
3. Drew Wylie (Ballybay)
4. Ryan Wylie (Ballybay)
5. Dessie Mone (Clontibret)
6. Vinny Corey (Clontibret)
7. Karl O'Connell (Tyholland)
8. Neil McAdam (Monaghan Harps)
9. Kieran Hughes (Scotstown)
10. Shane Carey (Scotstown)
11. Dermot Malone (Castleblayney)
12. Ryan McAnespie (Emyvale)
13. Owen Duffy (Latton)
14. Darren Hughes (Scotstown)
15. Conor McManus (Clontibret)

Expect Collins McKibbin Harrison O Hagen all to start
Just heard from a good source there now at work
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 03, 2016, 08:08:32 AM
Strong monaghan team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 03, 2016, 11:38:03 AM
Why can we not just name our team like everyone else does. It's hardly like we are going to Spring a massive surprise
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 03, 2016, 09:38:06 PM
Quote from: NP 76 on June 03, 2016, 11:38:03 AM
Why can we not just name our team like everyone else does. It's hardly like we are going to Spring a massive surprise
Friday night and still no team news. Release the team and give the supporters something to talk about, get excited about. Doesn't feel like championship weekend in down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 03, 2016, 10:00:16 PM
 Ridiculous and disrespectful to us all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 03, 2016, 10:07:23 PM
It's not as if he doesn't know his starting team, does it not have to be in Croke Park on the Thursday morning?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 03, 2016, 10:26:26 PM
It's out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 03, 2016, 10:29:18 PM
team just released on twitter, someone must have been reading here lol.

1 stephen kane
2 gerard collins
3 gerard mcgovern
4 darren o hagan
5 david mckibben
6 aiden carr
7 darragh o hanlon
8 peter turley
9 kevin mckernan
10 connor maginn
11 mark poland
12 joe murphy
13 conaill mc govern
14 connaire harrison
15 barry o hagan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 03, 2016, 10:58:02 PM
I'm slightly surprised Shay McArdle isn't starting, I wasn't at the Monaghan game in the league but listening to it on the radio he seemed to be causing the Monaghan defence some problems. He mustn't have shaken off his injury fully.

Decent enough team and we can only hope for the best on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on June 03, 2016, 11:08:14 PM
Who the hells gona get our scores. Team cannot line out like that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 03, 2016, 11:09:53 PM
Decent defence, probably the best midfield they could out but not sure where the scores are coming from in the forward line.  O Hare and McArdle have only recently returned to training but it may have been worth risking one of them.  Devlin would also have been usefully for frees from the right alone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 04, 2016, 04:40:54 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on June 03, 2016, 11:08:14 PM
Who the hells gona get our scores. Team cannot line out like that
Some of or all of the following will get our scores;

1 stephen kane
2 gerard collins
3 gerard mcgovern
4 darren o hagan
5 david mckibben
6 aiden carr
7 darragh o hanlon
8 peter turley
9 kevin mckernan
10 connor maginn
11 mark poland
12 joe murphy
13 conaill mc govern
14 connaire harrison
15 barry o hagan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 04, 2016, 08:12:19 PM
does anyone if road closures for the gran fondo cycle event will effect traffic travelling through hilltown going to the match tomorrow?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 05, 2016, 06:08:56 AM
Best of luck to Down today. Watching from Salou. Putting in a good performance I reckon would please most down men regardless result
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 05, 2016, 10:18:16 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 04, 2016, 08:12:19 PM
does anyone if road closures for the gran fondo cycle event will effect traffic travelling through hilltown going to the match tomorrow?

I'd say so. List of closures here http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/whats-on/gran-fondo-2016-what-roads-11415071#ICID=sharebar_twitter (http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/whats-on/gran-fondo-2016-what-roads-11415071#ICID=sharebar_twitter)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 05, 2016, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on June 03, 2016, 11:08:14 PM
Who the hells gona get our scores. Team cannot line out like that

With a decisive attitude to getting ball into the forward line then those players are capable of scoring enough. But it is sad to see that we very much have to field a forward line that could be so much better. Jerome Johnston and Ryan Johnston injured, Mooney with attitude problems, Clarke, Laverty and McComiskey not wanting to be involved.

I know people will say that we shouldn't waste time thinking about lads that don't want to be involved but the manager's job is not just preparing and putting out his best players, it is also about sourcing those players. It's not like these guys are being out performed by our county players in club football. Whatever has made county football training unattractive should be re-examined as a failed exercise if it effectively produces a less good team as a result.

Our forward line could actually be:

Ryan Johnston - Clarke - Mooney
Johnston (J) - Laverty - McComiskey

I'd be confident in that forward line
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 05, 2016, 12:28:50 PM
Unfortunately this is not a problem exclusive to Down footballers. Antrim hurlers, Wexford hurlers, Armagh footballers, Tipp footballers, have had a similar problem. It is easier than ever for lads to head off for the summer, with cheap flights etc. 20 years ago training with the county was probably 2 nights a week, now its 4/5 minimum, limited club football, not only weekends away but a week away at a time. It has got so consuming that lads are starting to put themelves and careers first. The Dublins, Kerrys, Tyrones etc can absorb these situations and the almost guarantee of croke park in august/september is a carrot that not every other county can provide for players.
Add in the crap they have to contend with online and its little wonder county football is uncreasingly unattractive for some players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 05, 2016, 01:17:03 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 05, 2016, 12:28:50 PM
...20 years ago training with the county was probably 2 nights a week, now its 4/5 minimum, limited club football, not only weekends away but a week away at a time. It has got so consuming that lads are starting to put themelves and careers first. The Dublins, Kerrys, Tyrones etc can absorb these situations and the almost guarantee of croke park in august/september is a carrot that not every other county can provide for players...

You are right. But if the result of this approach is that we end up with an inferior team, then doesn't that say there is something wrong with the approach to begin with? Yeah it produces a team of near professionally fit players but if it is producing the wrong players to begin with, then it is failing before it starts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 05, 2016, 01:28:09 PM
Id agree with you, and ironically the stronger teams like Kerry and Dublin both made allowances for senior players in recent years, for Declan OSullivan and Alan Brogan, yet in Downs case we didnt seem to be as flexible with our senior players like Coulter and Gordon.
Donegal were known to conduct training in Dublin midweek for their dublin based players, yet there were stories that some players asked to do their gym work in belfast but were told everyone was to do it together in newry.  Granted this was before Eamonn Burns reign but the damage was done by inflexibility or maybe poor man management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 05, 2016, 03:49:00 PM
be interesting to hear the glass half full brigade after that. anyone who travelled to watch that shite hasn't an ounce of sense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on June 05, 2016, 04:00:21 PM
Things are bad....real bad....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 05, 2016, 04:02:08 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 05, 2016, 03:49:00 PM
be interesting to hear the glass half full brigade after that. anyone who travelled to watch that shite hasn't an ounce of sense.

Very very very easy to say that at 3.49pm after watching it on the television.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 05, 2016, 04:11:51 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 05, 2016, 04:02:08 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 05, 2016, 03:49:00 PM
be interesting to hear the glass half full brigade after that. anyone who travelled to watch that shite hasn't an ounce of sense.

Very very very easy to say that at 3.49pm after watching it on the television.

What were you expecting? I'd say most down people who travelled did so out of a sense of duty rather than hope. Today was no surprise and it's not going to get any better anytime soon.

Gordon and Coulter aren't the answer either. Rip it up and start again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on June 05, 2016, 04:21:15 PM
You can say what yous want. 2-22 to 0-9 in an Ulster championship game is scary against a team who down beat a few years back.
Down played Conall Mcgovern at full back in a man marking role and he plays full back for his club.
Henry brown also came on after playing club seconds this time last year. If this is all the players we have may Aswell give up now.
Need new structures in place from underage. Minors , u.21s and seniors all beat in first round games 2 years in a row
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on June 05, 2016, 04:22:10 PM
Mcgovern doesn't play full back for his club I should say. Plays half forward. My mistake ^^^
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 05, 2016, 04:27:33 PM
Terrible stuff in clones today
Let's forget about the older lads and look to the future
In saying that the future looks poor as our under 21s got hammered to
Any positives from today??
Our county board have a lot to answer too.
Why have we a Rugby coach as burns number 2?
Surely we should have GAA men along the line
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 05, 2016, 04:45:30 PM
That was painful, the glass is well and truly empty and maybe has been for some time.Fair play to all  who travelled, in all the years of following Down I can honestly say this is our lowest ebb, it is a game that is easily played from the terraces but to see Stevie Kane constantly kick possession away is mind boggling, what is the story there , Turleys indiscipline ? and our no 2 s interpretation of the tackle , another mystery, I could go on but that would be unfair on the players who don't go onto the field of play badly. The problems lie in our coaching structures and our development of young players.It will be at least 5 yrs before we are in a position to compete at minor and u 21 level, let alone senior.
Our secretary stood up at a meeting and proudly stated the selection committee had got their man to manage our senior football team, Eamonn your were conned, your were the last man asked and surely you know now the enormity of your task, we may get a favourable draw in the qualifiers but it will be a short summer, I feel like screaming , I watched our21s get annilated,the minors beaten and now our seniors humiliated , any ideas lads ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 05, 2016, 05:29:49 PM
Absolutely shambolic. Couldn't win a kick out all day. Then they just give up. A disgraceful 2nd half performance. Thankfully I couldn't make clones. 1 game left and that should be it for another year.  Almost resigned to defeat nowadays as a Down man. It's getting worse as the years go by.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 05, 2016, 05:51:03 PM
Awful second half, brought back memories of sligo 10/12 yrs ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 05, 2016, 07:17:34 PM
It's time for some introspection from the decision-makers in our county. Circumstances may have contrived against them here and there, but bar the 2010 "blip", we've been on a decline for 20 years. It's one thing loving your county, it's another thing entirely to not give it a chance in a life.

it's also high time our clubs stopped pretending to be bystanders in this mess. This convention we need leadership to arise from our clubs. Thereafter we need action.


So f**king sick of the shit that Down football has become.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 05, 2016, 07:49:19 PM
its hardly fecking rocket science, a more flexible approach to players who cannot commit to a ridiculous training regime that yields feck all, martin Clarke sitting in a f**king studio, id rather see him come on in the last 20 mins of a game, there is a wealth of talent in this county that is not being utilized for whatever reason. reach out to the best players, tailor an individual plan that suits the player, the all or nothing regime simply does not work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 05, 2016, 07:55:30 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 05, 2016, 03:49:00 PM
be interesting to hear the glass half full brigade after that. anyone who travelled to watch that shite hasn't an ounce of sense.
i was in clones today and have to say that is the biggest pile of shite i've read in a long time. im a down supporter and went to clones today to support the team and to support club mates that were on the team. these mightnt be the best times to be a down fan but i have more respect for the people that travelled than someone sitting in front of a tv and a keyboard giving out. its always easier to travel to watch a winning team and im sure all the 'supporters' will be back out in force the next time it looks like a bit of success is coming our way.

as for the match, the 2nd half was a complete disaster. kick out after kick out was lost and we were turned over so easy. in the 1st half i thought we were competing well but when monaghan got a run on us in 2nd half we just couldnt stop the blue and white tide. connor maginn and darren o hagan tried hard and kept going to the end but its hard to take any real postives from a 19 point defeat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 05, 2016, 07:58:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 05, 2016, 07:17:34 PM
It's time for some introspection from the decision-makers in our county. Circumstances may have contrived against them here and there, but bar the 2010 "blip", we've been on a decline for 20 years. It's one thing loving your county, it's another thing entirely to not give it a chance in a life.

it's also high time our clubs stopped pretending to be bystanders in this mess. This convention we need leadership to arise from our clubs. Thereafter we need action.


So f**king sick of the shit that Down football has become.
As thewobbler says the Clubs need to speak up and get capable people to lead the County properly and get rid of all the deadwood that sit at the top table and the collection of paid personnel who are not doing their job properly.I really felt for Eamon Burns today and his players but as someone said earlier he was the only man that would take the job. Wexford was a disaster and a blip last year but McCorry was shafted by the current County Board.He had achieved promotion and should have been given the chance to improve this year. But no, His face didn't fit with the powers that be and now we have a journeyman Manager who has achieved nothing in his managerial career so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 05, 2016, 08:00:33 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 05, 2016, 07:55:30 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 05, 2016, 03:49:00 PM
be interesting to hear the glass half full brigade after that. anyone who travelled to watch that shite hasn't an ounce of sense.
i was in clones today and have to say that is the biggest pile of shite i've read in a long time. im a down supporter and went to clones today to support the team and to support club mates that were on the team. these mightnt be the best times to be a down fan but i have more respect for the people that travelled than someone sitting in front of a tv and a keyboard giving out. its always easier to travel to watch a winning team and im sure all the 'supporters' will be back out in force the next time it looks like a bit of success is coming our way.

as for the match, the 2nd half was a complete disaster. kick out after kick out was lost and we were turned over so easy. in the 1st half i thought we were competing well but when monaghan got a run on us in 2nd half we just couldnt stop the blue and white tide. connor maginn and darren o hagan tried hard and kept going to the end but its hard to take any real postives from a 19 point defeat.

I admire your loyalty but its blind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 05, 2016, 08:00:53 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 05, 2016, 07:49:19 PM
its hardly fecking rocket science, a more flexible approach to players who cannot commit to a ridiculous training regime that yields feck all, martin Clarke sitting in a f**king studio, id rather see him come on in the last 20 mins of a game, there is a wealth of talent in this county that is not being utilized for whatever reason. reach out to the best players, tailor an individual plan that suits the player, the all or nothing regime simply does not work.
where is this mysterious wealth of talent that you talk of?? its not there, look at the results from recent years in minor and u21. martin clarke and dan gordon should have more flexible approach given to them i agree but who else should be on the team. the players arent there and that is the fault of years of neglect of our underage structures by the county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 05, 2016, 08:11:09 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 05, 2016, 08:00:53 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 05, 2016, 07:49:19 PM
its hardly fecking rocket science, a more flexible approach to players who cannot commit to a ridiculous training regime that yields feck all, martin Clarke sitting in a f**king studio, id rather see him come on in the last 20 mins of a game, there is a wealth of talent in this county that is not being utilized for whatever reason. reach out to the best players, tailor an individual plan that suits the player, the all or nothing regime simply does not work.
where is this mysterious wealth of talent that you talk of?? its not there, look at the results from recent years in minor and u21. martin clarke and dan gordon should have more flexible approach given to them i agree but who else should be on the team. the players arent there and that is the fault of years of neglect of our underage structures by the county board.

conor Laverty
paul McCommisky
Dan Gordon
Caolan Mooney
Benny Coulter
Martin Clarke

Reach out, approach them, get them on board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 05, 2016, 08:36:09 PM
Wobbler is completely right and the clubs need to ensure that radical changes take place within our county board. Delegates are notoriously reluctant to act, but the pattern of results over recent years is unmistakable and unacceptable. If the St Mary's game in the McKenna Cup is excluded, as they are a college outfit, we have now lost 13 competitive matches in a row against inter-county opposition. It is equally alarming that our last ten championship fixtures across the senior, u21 and minor levels have resulted in nine defeats and a draw. The combined losing margin for our senior and u21s alone in their first round provincial games this year was 41 points. Our minors at least put in some form of a competitive display but responsibility for the debacles involving the two older sides must go well beyond the respective managements.

Our first half performance today was surprisingly decent, and only some particularly strange refereeing decisions left us behind at the break, but the scale of the collapse which followed was nothing less than appalling. Monaghan are a serious team but we looked completely clueless and some kind of wider structural overhaul is long overdue.

We know that Kane is a fine shot-stopper who is confident under the dropping ball but we also know that his kick-outs simply do not work at county level. Switching Connail McGovern from his normal sweeping role to a marking job on Kieran Hughes was a strange call which backfired comprehensively while Gerard McGovern started well on McManus but faded badly. Darren O'Hagan was the pick of our defence, although O'Hanlon and Collins had their moments, but McKibben struggled and Carr seems close to the end of the road.

McKernan only showed glimpses of his ability but Turley held us together for long periods and his harsh black card was the signal for others to throw in the towel.

Maginn was just about our best player until he also tired, while Poland and Harrison ran themselves into the ground on very limited possession. It didn't happen for Murphy today and Barry O'Hagan was another who opened brightly and lost his way. None of the subs made much of an impact either and only the kindest of draws could give us any hope of progress in the qualifiers.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 05, 2016, 08:49:02 PM
 Watching on skyplus what the experts said during BBC's and RTE's coverage. Oisin McConville and Marty Clarke were with Sidebottom on BBC and before the game,Oisin claimed that Marty Clarke wasn't asked by Eamon Burns to come onto the panel this year. No way did this sound true but Clarke then confirmed that this was the case. Absolute embarrassing situation that we as a County allow this sort of shabbiness to occur.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 05, 2016, 08:53:24 PM
I have read the anger and frustration about what's happening to our county, allowed to continue we may fall beyond the point of no return. I have to agree that consistent failures by the county executive has lead us to this point and I emphasis executive.We now face a very difficult decision, do we the clubs allow this situation to continue or do we seek change and by change I mean the entire executive. What amazes me is that there are people on our executive who are still in office despite presiding over Burrenbridge etc
It's time for change, no more rhetoric and bull from Sean og about the Down way because we are now a laughing stock.
So I'm asking the clubs with the power base to come out and look for change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on June 05, 2016, 08:56:56 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 05, 2016, 08:11:09 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 05, 2016, 08:00:53 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 05, 2016, 07:49:19 PM
its hardly fecking rocket science, a more flexible approach to players who cannot commit to a ridiculous training regime that yields feck all, martin Clarke sitting in a f**king studio, id rather see him come on in the last 20 mins of a game, there is a wealth of talent in this county that is not being utilized for whatever reason. reach out to the best players, tailor an individual plan that suits the player, the all or nothing regime simply does not work.
where is this mysterious wealth of talent that you talk of?? its not there, look at the results from recent years in minor and u21. martin clarke and dan gordon should have more flexible approach given to them i agree but who else should be on the team. the players arent there and that is the fault of years of neglect of our underage structures by the county board.

conor Laverty
paul McCommisky
Dan Gordon
Caolan Mooney
Benny Coulter
Martin Clarke

Reach out, approach them, get them on board.

These boys by and large have been there and done it...should they be encouraged and facilitated in order to have them involved??..ofcourse they should...would they be worth a 19 point turn around today??..the answer is no. The problem is there is simply no talent coming through to better or challenge the position of those lads named above who are no longer involved for whatever reason.....why is there no talent coming through / where are the players? For FS would someone go into these counties doing well i.e. your Monaghans / Tyrones / Donegals / Cavans even Dublin / Kerry go whereever....and see the structures they have in place and what is being done to promote the game and bring lads through...go and learn something, take it onboard, implement and improve on those things and put in place structures within our own county to try and challenge again and maybe 10 years from now we will see shoots of recovery because the way things are nothing is changing and Down who are no longer contenders for anything. The whole set up is light years behind those competing for silverware and if things dont change forget about football in Down having any aspirations of actually winning anything.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 05, 2016, 09:01:32 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 05, 2016, 08:11:09 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 05, 2016, 08:00:53 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 05, 2016, 07:49:19 PM
its hardly fecking rocket science, a more flexible approach to players who cannot commit to a ridiculous training regime that yields feck all, martin Clarke sitting in a f**king studio, id rather see him come on in the last 20 mins of a game, there is a wealth of talent in this county that is not being utilized for whatever reason. reach out to the best players, tailor an individual plan that suits the player, the all or nothing regime simply does not work.
where is this mysterious wealth of talent that you talk of?? its not there, look at the results from recent years in minor and u21. martin clarke and dan gordon should have more flexible approach given to them i agree but who else should be on the team. the players arent there and that is the fault of years of neglect of our underage structures by the county board.

conor Laverty
paul McCommisky
Dan Gordon
Caolan Mooney
Benny Coulter
Martin Clarke

Reach out, approach them, get them on board.
out of those players only marty clarke and dan gordon would have made a difference today. mooney has flattered to deceive in a down and rostevor jersey, while benny and connor would admit their best days are behind them. is mccommisky still playing? doesnt say much for this so called wealth of talent you say we have.
ryan and jerome johnson are the only other players i can think of that we were missing today.

when was the last time a player broke through from the u21s or minors?? there is no wealth of talent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 05, 2016, 09:45:17 PM
After an encouraging first 35 minutes we put is as spineless and clueless a performance (both on an off the field) that I have ever witnessed. Embarrassing wouldn't even come close, what then hell have they been doing since the end of the National League to even put some kind of plan in place to win a game as there was little evidence of any system in place today. Give me strength.

We are where we are and we have been saying for years now about the lack of investment both in facilities and in structures which are now coming back to bite us now.  We have had no U21 players on the senior panel for 2 years now so that does not bode well for the future, our hopeful minors were also clueless for much of their game last week.  Now we are telling 12 year old lads that they are county material and filling their heads full of shit by making development squads which are run by a gather up of coaches, some of which do not even coach in their clubs.  We are in some f=-cking mess and while I admire POR and what he is trying to do I just don't get the way he is going about it.  Telling young lads that they are 'Rising Stars' is just filling their heads full of dung.

As for you Wobbler asking for leadership, perhaps you would have taken your own advice with the Down Minors on your way home on the bus from Derry last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 05, 2016, 10:08:38 PM
Quote from: Line Ball on June 05, 2016, 09:45:17 PM
After an encouraging first 35 minutes we put is as spineless and clueless a performance (both on an off the field) that I have ever witnessed. Embarrassing wouldn't even come close, what then hell have they been doing since the end of the National League to even put some kind of plan in place to win a game as there was little evidence of any system in place today. Give me strength.

We are where we are and we have been saying for years now about the lack of investment both in facilities and in structures which are now coming back to bite us now.  We have had no U21 players on the senior panel for 2 years now so that does not bode well for the future, our hopeful minors were also clueless for much of their game last week.  Now we are telling 12 year old lads that they are county material and filling their heads full of shit by making development squads which are run by a gather up of coaches, some of which do not even coach in their clubs.  We are in some f=-cking mess and while I admire POR and what he is trying to do I just don't get the way he is going about it.  Telling young lads that they are 'Rising Stars' is just filling their heads full of dung.

As for you Wobbler asking for leadership, perhaps you would have taken your own advice with the Down Minors on your way home on the bus from Derry last year.

Good man Line Ball. Do you want to tell us what you have done for Down Club or County football over the last few years...that qualifies you to make the comments above...hurler on the ditch???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on June 05, 2016, 10:17:52 PM
Marty Clarke said on BBC at half time that he would have at least appreciated a phone call from burns to get asked onto the county panel. Why has this not happened. So many better players around the county than what was on display today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 05, 2016, 10:28:35 PM
Unbelievable that clarke was not asked on to the squad
Surely the Down supporters deserve there best players to be asked
Clarke May not make a difference but it would be nice to watch him play
Burns may get the phone out and make a few calls tomorrow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 05, 2016, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on June 05, 2016, 10:17:52 PM
Marty Clarke said on BBC at half time that he would have at least appreciated a phone call from burns to get asked onto the county panel. Why has this not happened. So many better players around the county than what was on display today.
apart from Clarke and Gordon who are the 'many better players around the county'???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on June 05, 2016, 10:46:59 PM
Awk if you're seriously saying that's the best we have you are completely clueless, there are far better players several of which have been mentioned here already who would make a big difference to that down team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 05, 2016, 10:49:08 PM
Conor Laverty
Ryan Boyle
Caolan Mooney
Shane Mcnamee
Daryl Brannigan
Paul Devlin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 05, 2016, 10:50:00 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 05, 2016, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on June 05, 2016, 10:17:52 PM
Marty Clarke said on BBC at half time that he would have at least appreciated a phone call from burns to get asked onto the county panel. Why has this not happened. So many better players around the county than what was on display today.
apart from Clarke and Gordon who are the 'many better players around the county'???

Clarke
Garvey
2 Brannigans from Kilcoo
Gordon
Eamon Toner

How many of them have been asked and turned it down I don't know but I know at least two were not asked.

Potential down team today from players currently playing club football in down if no one was injured

Cunningham
Brannigan
McGovern
O Hagen
Garvey
Turley
McArdle
Gordon
McKernan
R Johnston
Clarke
Toner
J Johnston
O Hare
Poland

May not have won today but would have put on a better show than that shambles.  Oh and with wee James back in charge too as our current management team are out of their depth, poor panel of players or not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: one day on June 05, 2016, 10:56:04 PM
Always look on the bright side of life
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on June 05, 2016, 10:57:22 PM
Mooney, Johnstons, branagans, Laverty, mcparland, Clarke, Gordon, Garvey, Devlin, benny mccardle , mcconville all capable of making a difference compared to some of shocking performances we had today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 05, 2016, 11:07:45 PM
Some of the posters on here show what is wrong with down. People think we have this magical group of players that weren't playing today and if they did play everything would be OK. Someone mentioned Ryan Boyle, Shane McNamee, eamonn toner, the brannigans, these lads are good players in poor down football leagues. No down club team has won a senior Ulster championship since burren in the 1980's. Down football is in a serious bad state.

The 2 Johnstons and Micky cunningham are injured and could make no difference today. Clarke and Gordon could have but the others mentioned are no better than what we already have. The sooner people realise down don't have the players then we might finally must some plan together at underage. The county board is a mess and have seriously neglected any sort of structure for our youth.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 05, 2016, 11:10:45 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 05, 2016, 11:07:45 PM
Some of the posters on here show what is wrong with down. People think we have this magical group of players that weren't playing today and if they did play everything would be OK. Someone mentioned Ryan Boyle, Shane McNamee, eamonn toner, the brannigans, these lads are good players in poor down football leagues. No down club team has won a senior Ulster championship since burren in the 1980's. Down football is in a serious bad state.

The 2 Johnstons and Micky cunningham are injured and could make no difference today. Clarke and Gordon could have but the others mentioned are no better than what we already have. The sooner people realise down don't have the players then we might finally must some plan together at underage. The county board is a mess and have seriously neglected any sort of structure for our youth.

All ya ask for is that the best players in the county are at least asked.  FFS there was a lad came on today who didn't even look like a footballer and was completely lost from the minute he came on.  Surely these things can be clearly seen on the training field as they are clear during the match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on June 05, 2016, 11:21:27 PM
There was a lad playing in the half forward line looked just as lost
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 05, 2016, 11:21:55 PM
Surely we deserve a better management set up
Threw together from what I can gather
Whitegoodman 100% correct
Who can we get in the qualifiers?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 05, 2016, 11:24:34 PM
Shambles of a county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 05, 2016, 11:32:01 PM
Would Antim have been beaten by 18 points today? I don't think they would have which would make us the worst team in Ulster.

There is a lot of good points on here about underage and structure and changes at county board level which is fair enough but if you take today alone, it was just not acceptable from players or management.

There was no leadership on or off the field, there was no fight, they seemed to just give up and the subs were strange bordering on ridiculous.  I don't think the management have picked the best players in the county and I don't think the players picked respect the management. We don't have the best players at the minute but surely we can muster a team together that doesn't get tanked by 18 points.  This was worse than Sligo and it was a low point!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 05, 2016, 11:42:23 PM
2 players came on today that had not the basic skills of a club player yet they can make the county squad
Now if the management can't see this they should not be there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 05, 2016, 11:42:32 PM
My memory might be hazy but i think we only scored 4 pts that night against sligo and only one from play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 05, 2016, 11:43:52 PM
They only scored 1-7, a 6 point defeat not 18....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: one day on June 05, 2016, 11:46:41 PM
It's easy to blame county boards all the time when things are bad, didn't see too many praising County board in 2010 when they where sitting in Croke park at their first match since 94 final.
I would agree the players don't respect the management team but they should and get on with the job of representing our County. Players have too much to say now a days. Also too much emphasis on producing running machines of men run all day but can't kick a ball straight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 05, 2016, 11:47:46 PM
I think the criticism of the management is a bit harsh. They made some decisions that from the stands look crazy, but Burns was the only one that stood up to the plate when no other man in or out of the county would take the job - he knew exactly what was coming but did it anyway for the good of the county. There is a reason behind the decision making - I can't understand bringing on Brown either but apparently he's been flying in training - the management team don't just pick a random decision out of thin air and run with it to try and p*ss off everyone on the terraces.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 05, 2016, 11:50:25 PM
It is pretty ludicrous to start demanding the selection of players who have either long-term injuries or have declined invitations to join the county squad. However, although those of us who were at the match obviously did not hear the interview, Marty Clarke has finally indicated that he was never asked to return in the first place. While this seems amazing, and deserves to be cleared up quickly, even a fully fit Clarke could have made little difference today. We sent out a team which showed some promise in the first half but capitulated to an embarrassing degree after the break. Our new management took on an exceptionally difficult task when Jim McCorry decided to walk last year, and have had to cope with a seriously weakened panel, but, even allowing for all that, there was little evidence of a viable game plan today and for large parts of our league campaign. The players did not look as though they believed in what they were doing when Monaghan turned on the pressure, and, unless a dramatic improvement follows, we will be heading back to division three next spring. Our problems go well beyond a single match, and what we really need is a comprehensive and independent review of our structures across the board. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 05, 2016, 11:52:53 PM
It's an interesting thing to bring up Line Ball. I don't even overly disagree with you except to say that if I was able go back in time and change anything from June 7th last year, the bus trip home would be among the very last of my priorities. The very last.

To respond to a few of the posts on here. The talent really isn't there in Down football present to challenge. The younger squad members, under-21s and juveniles since  2010 have really never kicked on at all. Watch D1 games and this is obvious. 10 years ago (when, let's be honest, Down were a poor side too) when you watched a D1 or D2 league game and the county players always stood out a mile. Nowadays you could watch 5 games without ever seeing that "wow factor". It's almost as though club football has developed a fat middle where there's dozens of players of roughly the same decent standard but very, very few of the class above.

I'm aware of this and I'm sure our county executive are too. And they might even have adopted a strategic approach to this, and "behind closed doors" have agreed to reduce senior team expenses over the next few years until players begin coming through, while at the same time, spending more time and effort on juvenile coaching. I could genuinely understand this approach if it's the case.

The problem though is that encouraging a talented 16 year old to dedicate his young adult years to County football requires more of a carrot than wearing a red and black shirt. Showing them a pathway that means training 5 days a week, minimal club football, strict diets, no booze, no holidays really isn't that easy unless that effort looks like gaining a reward. Another season or two like the current season and we, as a county, are finished... talented youngsters just won't see the benefit.

Players need to know the effort is worthwhile, need to know it will be reciprocated. Sacking Jim McCorry was always the wrong move because he had a track record of making the most out of teams. Shame on us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: one day on June 05, 2016, 11:55:03 PM
Well said Mourne Rover
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: one day on June 05, 2016, 11:58:32 PM
The Wobbler, Jim wasn't sacked, he walked
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 06, 2016, 12:02:28 AM
Quote from: one day on June 05, 2016, 11:58:32 PM
The Wobbler, Jim wasn't sacked, he walked

He was all but sacked after it was clear that the executive weren't supporting a vote in his favour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 06, 2016, 12:03:27 AM
The powers that be should demand that clarke is at training this week
Serious questions need to be asked
And there was never any other person approached for the job this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 06, 2016, 12:07:17 AM
Wobbler made a good point, who wants to train 5 nights a week, limited club football, 6/7 month drink bans, no guarantee of success/glory. A few months ago a poster suggested that Glenn players wouldnt commit to down because they wanted to concentrate on club for the year. I dont know how accurate this was but if anyway true down football is in a dark place. I take a lot off stuff on here with a pinch of salt but that stuck in my head for some reason.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 06, 2016, 02:00:43 AM
Supporters inevitably will have knee jerk reactions to heavy defeats, But reality will show we have had several disappointing days over the years, and much as it pains me to say it,  we maybe have a slightly deluded view of where we stand as a county.
It's just over 50 years ago when we won our first ulster title, but within 13 years we had annexed 8 ulster titles, in an incredibly rich vein of form, probably on the basis of real quality players and innovative organisational structures. Sadly in the subsequent 20 years we only won 2 ulster titles , and in the 25 years since 1991 we have won only other Ulster title (1994) . We have only won probably 5 minor titles and 5 u21 titles in the past 50 years.
In short , our stats would indicate that apart from our domination over a decade in the sixties, we have been relatively unsuccessful through our GAA history.
Our high expectations don't help us , as at all levels, managements are put under tremendous pressure by supporters etc to achieve, with calls for their heads if deemed to be unsuccessful.
Similarly our self-styled aristocratic aura, while undoubtedly attractive when we have success,  causes us problems , as some players have thought that making a Down squad or pulling on a red & black jersey is an end in itself, as opposed to winning silverware in that jersey .
There needs to be a realisation by all with Down's football success at heart, that our 60s success was as a result of innovation around the components of success eg getting several quality players in the jersey and preparing them for success...this didn't happen overnight.
Rather than being critical , every year, of players, managers and officials  who put their neck on the line, we should be realistic about our resources, and develop structures to deliver sustainable success. This includes ensuring that all current teams are punching above their weight, developing future county players and making it attractive to be a Down player.
There are several other vital factors outside the running of county teams, to achieve that:
1.A vibrant club scene dovetailing with the county scene,
2. a sustainable financial model to compete with the top counties, providing us with the facilities and resources necessary for success,
3. driving change centrally in the GAA to minimise club/county conflict and the disparity/inequality in the current provincial/allireland Intercounty fixtures , at all levels.
Eg how can we compete with Kerry who dust themselves off every July for their annual Cork clash( in Killarney every second year!) while Down have been travelling to play usually Div 1 opposition in May/June for the past ~20 years!!..rant over, An Dún Abú!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 06, 2016, 07:44:12 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 06, 2016, 02:00:43 AM
Supporters inevitably will have knee jerk reactions to heavy defeats, But reality will show we have had several disappointing days over the years, and much as it pains me to say it,  we maybe have a slightly deluded view of where we stand as a county.
It's just over 50 years ago when we won our first ulster title, but within 13 years we had annexed 8 ulster titles, in an incredibly rich vein of form, probably on the basis of real quality players and innovative organisational structures. Sadly in the subsequent 20 years we only won 2 ulster titles , and in the 25 years since 1991 we have won only other Ulster title (1994) . We have only won probably 5 minor titles and 5 u21 titles in the past 50 years.
In short , our stats would indicate that apart from our domination over a decade in the sixties, we have been relatively unsuccessful through our GAA history.
Our high expectations don't help us , as at all levels, managements are put under tremendous pressure by supporters etc to achieve, with calls for their heads if deemed to be unsuccessful.
Similarly our self-styled aristocratic aura, while undoubtedly attractive when we have success,  causes us problems , as some players have thought that making a Down squad or pulling on a red & black jersey is an end in itself, as opposed to winning silverware in that jersey .
There needs to be a realisation by all with Down's football success at heart, that our 60s success was as a result of innovation around the components of success eg getting several quality players in the jersey and preparing them for success...this didn't happen overnight.
Rather than being critical , every year, of players, managers and officials  who put their neck on the line, we should be realistic about our resources, and develop structures to deliver sustainable success. This includes ensuring that all current teams are punching above their weight, developing future county players and making it attractive to be a Down player.
There are several other vital factors outside the running of county teams, to achieve that:
1.A vibrant club scene dovetailing with the county scene,
2. a sustainable financial model to compete with the top counties, providing us with the facilities and resources necessary for success,
3. driving change centrally in the GAA to minimise club/county conflict and the disparity/inequality in the current provincial/allireland Intercounty fixtures , at all levels.
Eg how can we compete with Kerry who dust themselves off every July for their annual Cork clash( in Killarney every second year!) while Down have been travelling to play usually Div 1 opposition in May/June for the past ~20 years!!..rant over, An Dún Abú!

     Decided to post again in calm rather than knee-jerk.We did look Ok in the first half but in the 2nd half we capitulated.By saying we looked ok in the first half the Monaghan ones beside me were disgusted with their first half showing so the first half from a Down perspective was probably more Down playing average and Monaghan well below their average.

    Where do we go from here?

Our County Board needs re-formed in a way that reflects the needs of each Club but at the same realizing that it is these Clubs who make up our County administration.So having someone from each Club who understands that is a necessity.From what I hear and know the calibre of people attending from a lot of our Clubs are "past it or over the hill".
It is these people who control the County and the situation that exists in Down and a lot of Counties is akin to the recent Irish Farmers Union elections.

  So now if each of our posters can reflect on who there Club Delegate is and keep it in mind for the next few sentences.....

   Can you imagine any small farmer from Ballygo backwards or other parts of rural Ireland being in charge of that body? No chance but what you have is a body made up with savvy administrators voted for by the like minded farmers from ballygobackwards who themselves really understand that they aren't capable of being in charge. Take a photo shoot of our delegates and I imagine it'd be  like a School re-union photo from the 50's or 60's.

If this can be achieved we then get what some posters are suggesting capable people onto positions where they can effect change in how our whole County is run.

6th Sams habitual rants about where we should be are like the "saved folk" who occasionally knock on the doors spouting their religious ideas. Bullsh-t!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 06, 2016, 09:40:33 AM
Down (hurling and Football) remind me of how Scotland mishandled the advent of professional rugby and were left in the wilderness for years.
When full time roles were being filled within the GAA, ours haven't helped one iota whereas other counties have kicked on considerably leaving us pining for the glory days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on June 06, 2016, 09:55:03 AM
Quote from: SamFever on June 06, 2016, 07:44:12 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 06, 2016, 02:00:43 AM
Supporters inevitably will have knee jerk reactions to heavy defeats, But reality will show we have had several disappointing days over the years, and much as it pains me to say it,  we maybe have a slightly deluded view of where we stand as a county.
It's just over 50 years ago when we won our first ulster title, but within 13 years we had annexed 8 ulster titles, in an incredibly rich vein of form, probably on the basis of real quality players and innovative organisational structures. Sadly in the subsequent 20 years we only won 2 ulster titles , and in the 25 years since 1991 we have won only other Ulster title (1994) . We have only won probably 5 minor titles and 5 u21 titles in the past 50 years.
In short , our stats would indicate that apart from our domination over a decade in the sixties, we have been relatively unsuccessful through our GAA history.
Our high expectations don't help us , as at all levels, managements are put under tremendous pressure by supporters etc to achieve, with calls for their heads if deemed to be unsuccessful.
Similarly our self-styled aristocratic aura, while undoubtedly attractive when we have success,  causes us problems , as some players have thought that making a Down squad or pulling on a red & black jersey is an end in itself, as opposed to winning silverware in that jersey .
There needs to be a realisation by all with Down's football success at heart, that our 60s success was as a result of innovation around the components of success eg getting several quality players in the jersey and preparing them for success...this didn't happen overnight.
Rather than being critical , every year, of players, managers and officials  who put their neck on the line, we should be realistic about our resources, and develop structures to deliver sustainable success. This includes ensuring that all current teams are punching above their weight, developing future county players and making it attractive to be a Down player.
There are several other vital factors outside the running of county teams, to achieve that:
1.A vibrant club scene dovetailing with the county scene,
2. a sustainable financial model to compete with the top counties, providing us with the facilities and resources necessary for success,
3. driving change centrally in the GAA to minimise club/county conflict and the disparity/inequality in the current provincial/allireland Intercounty fixtures , at all levels.
Eg how can we compete with Kerry who dust themselves off every July for their annual Cork clash( in Killarney every second year!) while Down have been travelling to play usually Div 1 opposition in May/June for the past ~20 years!!..rant over, An Dún Abú!

     Decided to post again in calm rather than knee-jerk.We did look Ok in the first half but in the 2nd half we capitulated.By saying we looked ok in the first half the Monaghan ones beside me were disgusted with their first half showing so the first half from a Down perspective was probably more Down playing average and Monaghan well below their average.

    Where do we go from here?

Our County Board needs re-formed in a way that reflects the needs of each Club but at the same realizing that it is these Clubs who make up our County administration.So having someone from each Club who understands that is a necessity.From what I hear and know the calibre of people attending from a lot of our Clubs are "past it or over the hill".
It is these people who control the County and the situation that exists in Down and a lot of Counties is akin to the recent Irish Farmers Union elections.

  So now if each of our posters can reflect on who there Club Delegate is and keep it in mind for the next few sentences.....

   Can you imagine any small farmer from Ballygo backwards or other parts of rural Ireland being in charge of that body? No chance but what you have is a body made up with savvy administrators voted for by the like minded farmers from ballygobackwards who themselves really understand that they aren't capable of being in charge. Take a photo shoot of our delegates and I imagine it'd be  like a School re-union photo from the 50's or 60's.

If this can be achieved we then get what some posters are suggesting capable people onto positions where they can effect change in how our whole County is run.

6th Sams habitual rants about where we should be are like the "saved folk" who occasionally knock on the doors spouting their religious ideas. Bullsh-t!
You've hit the nail on the head at least as far as our Club is. Long since retired from work but still attending county Board and if this is replicated in say only half of our clubs it is indeed
a talking shop for retired ones when the reality should be young up to speed people in the modern world.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on June 06, 2016, 10:28:56 AM
I don't post much on here but read the views a lot.  Is it money that is ruining the game at a club level?  A lot of clubs nowadays are paying for managers, rightly or wrongly.  When money is involved does it become the new motivation? earn a few pound, cash in the pocket, no tax.  Some of the amounts being bandied about that managers are getting paid is astronomical. People have to work a full week to earn such amounts.  Should clubs be made register as an employer?  Declare the money being paid to individuals and see if it brings back the volunteer ethos that gaelic games are meant to be based on? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on June 06, 2016, 11:19:37 AM
In our heart of hearts we all knew this was coming but how the boys just gave up was so depressing. At least under wee James there was always fight in us but to simply give up is just not on. The debate for some time now is that it all stems from the County board and their inadequacies. A small part of me yesterday evening was relieved in a strange way because I felt that the disaster that was always in the post had finally arrived and that this would now be a watershed moment, a turning point. it surely can't get any worse?

Watching the Sunday game last night was bizarre in that Thomas O Se when commenting on Down and the weaker footballing counties in general made the point that equivalent competitions like the lesser hurling format would be good so "that teams wouldn't be getting thumped by 19 points and would get a day out in Croke pk" For F$ck sake we contested an All Ireland Final 6 years ago and this is where we are at now!!

Also the point made by wobbler that the current county players don't stand out in club football is bang on. Club football in Down also has become hard to watch and the optimism that comes with a decent minor or under 21 side or rising star from either appears to be no more. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on June 06, 2016, 11:27:42 AM
Our underage needs an overhaul of some sort. Enjoyment has to come back into it.  In our all county minor league clubs have panels of 16-17 to work with.  Where are all the young lads?  Why do they not play?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 06, 2016, 11:43:58 AM
A lot of the problems we encounter are similar to a lot of counties throughout the country. Meath, Derry, Armagh, Kildare, Galway, Cork, Offaly and plenty others are experiencing similar challenges to us. Ive said it before but when Pat OHare passed away some years ago, his loss was huge to football in down. He had a vision and a passion  and the organisational skills to set in place structures to benefit the next generation coming through.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Trap on June 06, 2016, 11:58:07 AM
I am not from Down but I have seen a number of Down clubs playing over the last few years in Ulster Club competitions and they have been pretty good e.g. Kilcoo, Warrenpoint, Loughinisland......Kilcoo and Burren would surely be in top dozen club teams in the province.
However once this slide at county level starts I think it is going to be VERY difficult to stop particularly when the under 21 team took such a beating as well. Maybe going in to Division 2 will help as I am sure Down will be able to compete among those teams. Also playing a very good Division One team away in the first round of the championship was not a good draw.
For the next few years Down (and prob Armagh and Derry) are Division 2/3 teams and I feel the others (Dubs, Kerry, Mayo etc) will have to come back to the pack as I don't see the pack getting up to that level any time soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on June 06, 2016, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: imagine on June 06, 2016, 09:55:03 AM
Quote from: SamFever on June 06, 2016, 07:44:12 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 06, 2016, 02:00:43 AM
Supporters inevitably will have knee jerk reactions to heavy defeats, But reality will show we have had several disappointing days over the years, and much as it pains me to say it,  we maybe have a slightly deluded view of where we stand as a county.
It's just over 50 years ago when we won our first ulster title, but within 13 years we had annexed 8 ulster titles, in an incredibly rich vein of form, probably on the basis of real quality players and innovative organisational structures. Sadly in the subsequent 20 years we only won 2 ulster titles , and in the 25 years since 1991 we have won only other Ulster title (1994) . We have only won probably 5 minor titles and 5 u21 titles in the past 50 years.
In short , our stats would indicate that apart from our domination over a decade in the sixties, we have been relatively unsuccessful through our GAA history.
Our high expectations don't help us , as at all levels, managements are put under tremendous pressure by supporters etc to achieve, with calls for their heads if deemed to be unsuccessful.
Similarly our self-styled aristocratic aura, while undoubtedly attractive when we have success,  causes us problems , as some players have thought that making a Down squad or pulling on a red & black jersey is an end in itself, as opposed to winning silverware in that jersey .
There needs to be a realisation by all with Down's football success at heart, that our 60s success was as a result of innovation around the components of success eg getting several quality players in the jersey and preparing them for success...this didn't happen overnight.
Rather than being critical , every year, of players, managers and officials  who put their neck on the line, we should be realistic about our resources, and develop structures to deliver sustainable success. This includes ensuring that all current teams are punching above their weight, developing future county players and making it attractive to be a Down player.
There are several other vital factors outside the running of county teams, to achieve that:
1.A vibrant club scene dovetailing with the county scene,
2. a sustainable financial model to compete with the top counties, providing us with the facilities and resources necessary for success,
3. driving change centrally in the GAA to minimise club/county conflict and the disparity/inequality in the current provincial/allireland Intercounty fixtures , at all levels.
Eg how can we compete with Kerry who dust themselves off every July for their annual Cork clash( in Killarney every second year!) while Down have been travelling to play usually Div 1 opposition in May/June for the past ~20 years!!..rant over, An Dún Abú!

     Decided to post again in calm rather than knee-jerk.We did look Ok in the first half but in the 2nd half we capitulated.By saying we looked ok in the first half the Monaghan ones beside me were disgusted with their first half showing so the first half from a Down perspective was probably more Down playing average and Monaghan well below their average.

    Where do we go from here?

Our County Board needs re-formed in a way that reflects the needs of each Club but at the same realizing that it is these Clubs who make up our County administration.So having someone from each Club who understands that is a necessity.From what I hear and know the calibre of people attending from a lot of our Clubs are "past it or over the hill".
It is these people who control the County and the situation that exists in Down and a lot of Counties is akin to the recent Irish Farmers Union elections.

  So now if each of our posters can reflect on who there Club Delegate is and keep it in mind for the next few sentences.....

   Can you imagine any small farmer from Ballygo backwards or other parts of rural Ireland being in charge of that body? No chance but what you have is a body made up with savvy administrators voted for by the like minded farmers from ballygobackwards who themselves really understand that they aren't capable of being in charge. Take a photo shoot of our delegates and I imagine it'd be  like a School re-union photo from the 50's or 60's.

If this can be achieved we then get what some posters are suggesting capable people onto positions where they can effect change in how our whole County is run.

6th Sams habitual rants about where we should be are like the "saved folk" who occasionally knock on the doors spouting their religious ideas. Bullsh-t!
You've hit the nail on the head at least as far as our Club is. Long since retired from work but still attending county Board and if this is replicated in say only half of our clubs it is indeed
a talking shop for retired ones when the reality should be young up to speed people in the modern world.

Totally agree
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 06, 2016, 12:05:35 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 06, 2016, 11:43:58 AM
A lot of the problems we encounter are similar to a lot of counties throughout the country. Meath, Derry, Armagh, Kildare, Galway, Cork, Offaly and plenty others are experiencing similar challenges to us. Ive said it before but when Pat OHare passed away some years ago, his loss was huge to football in down. He had a vision and a passion  and the organisational skills to set in place structures to benefit the next generation coming through.

Couldn't agree more.
Our 90s successes were strongly influened by Pat's player development , and in 1994 his coaching. Also players from families involved in the 60s successes ,eg Mccartans , Blaneys , Kane, Carr etc had the belief and workrate required for success. Allied to other factors such as the strength of Club football at that time eg Burren, Loughinisland , RGU etc,  we had a lot of ingredients contributing to success.

The GAA is under pressure in several counties as highlighted above, and the GAA centrally appears to be sleepwalking into a crisis. Most recent rule changes have hit rural clubs hardest, and these clubs are our lifeblood.
As discussed above, the top heavy , over democratic decision making process in the GAA, has not served us well as even the best ideas struggle to get through.
The reality is however that if we can be innovative and organised around developing players and structures, we can reach the top table again . Unfortunately this takes time


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 06, 2016, 12:39:30 PM
Quote from: interested on June 06, 2016, 12:18:33 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 06, 2016, 12:05:35 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 06, 2016, 11:43:58 AM
A lot of the problems we encounter are similar to a lot of counties throughout the country. Meath, Derry, Armagh, Kildare, Galway, Cork, Offaly and plenty others are experiencing similar challenges to us. Ive said it before but when Pat OHare passed away some years ago, his loss was huge to football in down. He had a vision and a passion  and the organisational skills to set in place structures to benefit the next generation coming through.

Couldn't agree more.
Our 90s successes were strongly influened by Pat's player development , and in 1994 his coaching. Also players from families involved in the 60s successes ,eg Mccartans , Blaneys , Kane, Carr etc had the belief and workrate required for success. Allied to other factors such as the strength of Club football at that time eg Burren, Loughinisland , RGU etc,  we had a lot of ingredients contributing to success.

The GAA is under pressure in several counties as highlighted above, and the GAA centrally appears to be sleepwalking into a crisis. Most recent rule changes have hit rural clubs hardest, and these clubs are our lifeblood.
As discussed above, the top heavy , over democratic decision making process in the GAA, has not served us well as even the best ideas struggle to get through.
The reality is however that if we can be innovative and organised around developing players and structures, we can reach the top table again . Unfortunately this takes time
Agreed 6th but who is going to start this off? Is your delegate to the County Board innovative and organised about developing Coaching?I know our one isn't.

Neither is ours, but IMO that type of debate has to happen within the coaching community, not County Board officers or delegates who's skillsets (I'm being kind here) are different but of value in other ways to the association.




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on June 06, 2016, 12:43:09 PM
It honestly astounds me how some people on here can defend our County Board.

Our 3 Championship appearance at the major grades in 2016 have yielded only humiliation, particularly @ U21 and Senior. We haven't won an Ulster Title at any grade since 2009. We haven't won a Senior Title in 23 years, we haven't won a minor title in 18. The problem is systematic. The utter lack of infrastructure within Down is nothing short of a depressing!

Senior members of the Down County Board should resign, with an emergency meeting held to bring in some new forward thinking minds (those with actual minds would be a step forward). Unless we want another 20 years of complete and utter garbage!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 06, 2016, 12:49:54 PM
Quote from: speculative on June 06, 2016, 12:43:09 PM
It honestly astounds me how some people on here can defend our County Board.

Our 3 Championship appearance at the major grades in 2016 have yielded only humiliation, particularly @ U21 and Senior. We haven't won an Ulster Title at any grade since 2009. We haven't won a Senior Title in 23 years, we haven't won a minor title in 18. The problem is systematic. The utter lack of infrastructure within Down is nothing short of a depressing!

Senior members of the Down County Board should resign, with an emergency meeting held to bring in some new forward thinking minds (those with actual minds would be a step forward). Unless we want another 20 years of complete and utter garbage!!
So 2005 didn't happen for our victorious Minor Footballers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 06, 2016, 12:53:50 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 06, 2016, 12:47:29 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 06, 2016, 12:39:30 PM
Quote from: interested on June 06, 2016, 12:18:33 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 06, 2016, 12:05:35 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 06, 2016, 11:43:58 AM
A lot of the problems we encounter are similar to a lot of counties throughout the country. Meath, Derry, Armagh, Kildare, Galway, Cork, Offaly and plenty others are experiencing similar challenges to us. Ive said it before but when Pat OHare passed away some years ago, his loss was huge to football in down. He had a vision and a passion  and the organisational skills to set in place structures to benefit the next generation coming through.

Couldn't agree more.
Our 90s successes were strongly influened by Pat's player development , and in 1994 his coaching. Also players from families involved in the 60s successes ,eg Mccartans , Blaneys , Kane, Carr etc had the belief and workrate required for success. Allied to other factors such as the strength of Club football at that time eg Burren, Loughinisland , RGU etc,  we had a lot of ingredients contributing to success.

The GAA is under pressure in several counties as highlighted above, and the GAA centrally appears to be sleepwalking into a crisis. Most recent rule changes have hit rural clubs hardest, and these clubs are our lifeblood.
As discussed above, the top heavy , over democratic decision making process in the GAA, has not served us well as even the best ideas struggle to get through.
The reality is however that if we can be innovative and organised around developing players and structures, we can reach the top table again . Unfortunately this takes time
Agreed 6th but who is going to start this off? Is your delegate to the County Board innovative and organised about developing Coaching?I know our one isn't.

Neither is ours, but IMO that type of debate has to happen within the coaching community, not County Board officers or delegates who's skillsets (I'm being kind here) are different but of value in other ways to the association.
the coaching community in hurling consists of a few lunatic parents and is all ok-ed from above simply because there is no one else.Have a look at who is in charge right through from U14 to minor.

;D

You're not entirely wrong, but like club delegates, do you think the best coaches head off to work in development squads or stay with the clubs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on June 06, 2016, 12:57:40 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 06, 2016, 12:49:54 PM
Quote from: speculative on June 06, 2016, 12:43:09 PM
It honestly astounds me how some people on here can defend our County Board.

Our 3 Championship appearance at the major grades in 2016 have yielded only humiliation, particularly @ U21 and Senior. We haven't won an Ulster Title at any grade since 2009. We haven't won a Senior Title in 23 years, we haven't won a minor title in 18. The problem is systematic. The utter lack of infrastructure within Down is nothing short of a depressing!

Senior members of the Down County Board should resign, with an emergency meeting held to bring in some new forward thinking minds (those with actual minds would be a step forward). Unless we want another 20 years of complete and utter garbage!!
So 2005 didn't happen for our victorious Minor Footballers.

Did they win an Ulster Title though??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 06, 2016, 01:50:49 PM
first half Down edged it and due to the ref giving soft frees/poor Down tackling while at other end wayward shooting meant Monaghan went in ahead at the interval by 3 points.

it was 10- 7 when Turley was black carded, then the wheels came off and the wind picked up monaghan got on top and Down heads dropped.

it is quite obvious several players that would improve squad will not commit and the management need to approach these players and find out why and try accommodate them if they indicate a willingness to return.

benny coulter is better than henry brown
martin Clarke is better than barry ohagan
caolon mooney is better than connaire Harrison
dan gordan and peter Fitzpatrick would boss that midfield with peter turley and mckernan is a half back not a midfielder.

if players cant or wont commit then the county management should just make it public and work with what they have and the rest of us should just accept where we are and try help where we can to re-build.

more work is being done at underage level than ever before but I feel part of the problem is that potential underage players slip the net because not assessed in their own club matches but at trials in a short space of time at the wrong time of the season when other sports are at advanced stage of their competitions.

there are many things needing put right but on here is the last place the powers that be will look

we don't have the players from minors upwards to improve on where we are at the minute in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on June 06, 2016, 01:59:27 PM
Quote from: speculative on June 06, 2016, 12:57:40 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 06, 2016, 12:49:54 PM
Quote from: speculative on June 06, 2016, 12:43:09 PM
It honestly astounds me how some people on here can defend our County Board.

Our 3 Championship appearance at the major grades in 2016 have yielded only humiliation, particularly @ U21 and Senior. We haven't won an Ulster Title at any grade since 2009. We haven't won a Senior Title in 23 years, we haven't won a minor title in 18. The problem is systematic. The utter lack of infrastructure within Down is nothing short of a depressing!

Senior members of the Down County Board should resign, with an emergency meeting held to bring in some new forward thinking minds (those with actual minds would be a step forward). Unless we want another 20 years of complete and utter garbage!!
So 2005 didn't happen for our victorious Minor Footballers.

Did they win an Ulster Title though??

No they were beat by Armagh by a point in the Ulster final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on June 06, 2016, 02:22:26 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 06, 2016, 12:49:54 PM
Quote from: speculative on June 06, 2016, 12:43:09 PM
It honestly astounds me how some people on here can defend our County Board.

Our 3 Championship appearance at the major grades in 2016 have yielded only humiliation, particularly @ U21 and Senior. We haven't won an Ulster Title at any grade since 2009. We haven't won a Senior Title in 23 years, we haven't won a minor title in 18. The problem is systematic. The utter lack of infrastructure within Down is nothing short of a depressing!

Senior members of the Down County Board should resign, with an emergency meeting held to bring in some new forward thinking minds (those with actual minds would be a step forward). Unless we want another 20 years of complete and utter garbage!!
So 2005 didn't happen for our victorious Minor Footballers.
They didn't win Ulster. armagh beat them in the final and they got through the backdoor way to win the all-Ireland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mrs mills on June 06, 2016, 02:23:28 PM
Identifying underage players with potential has always been fraught with difficulty. Take a group of current U15s in a county. If the 'trial' rather than 'invitation' method is used, at least have some sort of quality control where clubs score the players they intend to send and cross reference these scores with those given by schools' coaches. From this comes your core group of players, usually 20-25 who are nailed on.
The trials may also throw up a few dark horses and some who, having been afforded the chance to play with better footballers, will shine. These, and others, make up the next group of 10-15 who must then be scouted for a number of club games to check on performance, particularly against strong opposition. Only some will deserve to make it.
Even after this protracted process, the key to real development is the quality of coaching delivered at each session and over a lengthy period. So many players are now used to well organised club sessions that they will be quick to find reasons to miss county sessions if they are not up to standard!
But what does 'up to standard' mean?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 06, 2016, 03:09:54 PM
Quote from: Mrs mills on June 06, 2016, 02:23:28 PM
Identifying underage players with potential has always been fraught with difficulty. Take a group of current U15s in a county. If the 'trial' rather than 'invitation' method is used, at least have some sort of quality control where clubs score the players they intend to send and cross reference these scores with those given by schools' coaches. From this comes your core group of players, usually 20-25 who are nailed on.
The trials may also throw up a few dark horses and some who, having been afforded the chance to play with better footballers, will shine. These, and others, make up the next group of 10-15 who must then be scouted for a number of club games to check on performance, particularly against strong opposition. Only some will deserve to make it.
Even after this protracted process, the key to real development is the quality of coaching delivered at each session and over a lengthy period. So many players are now used to well organised club sessions that they will be quick to find reasons to miss county sessions if they are not up to standard!
But what does 'up to standard' mean?
Good points Mrs Mills.You're a wise lady.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 06, 2016, 05:29:54 PM
 It doesn't get any easier 24 hours later.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 06, 2016, 08:24:25 PM
You're right Wobbler, it doesn't get any easier 24 hours later.

However, rather than feeling sorry for ourselves, I feel sorry for Eamon Burns and particularly the players.
Enough has been said about the fact that Burns took on a thankless task when others said no, so I'll focus on the players.

I went through the player ratings in the Irish News (they forgot about Henry Brown and got Dee Turley's name wrong in otherwise good coverage) and realised that every one of them gave it their best in difficult circumstances.
Having seen all bar two of the League games,  this group gave as much as any previous Down team, but individually and collectively they are not as good as the teams they have played. With a bit more belief they could easily have capped off a fine opening 35 minutes with a three point advantage at half-time yesterday. The whole thing then fell apart and the posters who have mentioned the problems from our kick-outs have identified the main issue. As a coach, you have to read the game and make adjustments- that just didn't happen yesterday and I don't see any meaningful contribution coming from the mentors. Players pick up on this and Kevin Madden's five points are spot-on; these players have pride and they were let down.

I want to highlight our captain as he was getting a bit of abuse from a few loudmouths near us.

Kevin McKernan is a fine player- has represented his club, county and country with distinction. He probably should have been an all-star in 2010. He is being asked to play in midfield simply because we have no-one who could accompany the undervalued Peter Turley. In the debacle in Wexford Park last year he was our best player and never gave up until he was hooked by Jim McCorry in his last significant act as Down manager. The enjoyment has gone out of the game for McKernan and that is reflected in his performances but, for me, he never gave up and the mouths in the stand have no idea of what it must be like to be the leader of a group of young men getting a hiding. The burden of captaincy has weighed heavily on him, a bit like it did on Mark Poland last year, but these two lads are class acts who have given loads of enjoyment to us.

I don't want to say anymore about the people getting paid to perform other than they clearly aren't performing by any measure. However, the ones that are not getting paid- the players- still have my full support and gratitude for doing their best for Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 06, 2016, 09:08:33 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 06, 2016, 08:24:25 PM
You're right Wobbler, it doesn't get any easier 24 hours later.

However, rather than feeling sorry for ourselves, I feel sorry for Eamon Burns and particularly the players.
Enough has been said about the fact that Burns took on a thankless task when others said no, so I'll focus on the players.

I went through the player ratings in the Irish News (they forgot about Henry Brown and got Dee Turley's name wrong in otherwise good coverage) and realised that every one of them gave it their best in difficult circumstances.
Having seen all bar two of the League games,  this group gave as much as any previous Down team, but individually and collectively they are not as good as the teams they have played. With a bit more belief they could easily have capped off a fine opening 35 minutes with a three point advantage at half-time yesterday. The whole thing then fell apart and the posters who have mentioned the problems from our kick-outs have identified the main issue. As a coach, you have to read the game and make adjustments- that just didn't happen yesterday and I don't see any meaningful contribution coming from the mentors. Players pick up on this and Kevin Madden's five points are spot-on; these players have pride and they were let down.

I want to highlight our captain as he was getting a bit of abuse from a few loudmouths near us.

Kevin McKernan is a fine player- has represented his club, county and country with distinction. He probably should have been an all-star in 2010. He is being asked to play in midfield simply because we have no-one who could accompany the undervalued Peter Turley. In the debacle in Wexford Park last year he was our best player and never gave up until he was hooked by Jim McCorry in his last significant act as Down manager. The enjoyment has gone out of the game for McKernan and that is reflected in his performances but, for me, he never gave up and the mouths in the stand have no idea of what it must be like to be the leader of a group of young men getting a hiding. The burden of captaincy has weighed heavily on him, a bit like it did on Mark Poland last year, but these two lads are class acts who have given loads of enjoyment to us.

I don't want to say anymore about the people getting paid to perform other than they clearly aren't performing by any measure. However, the ones that are not getting paid- the players- still have my full support and gratitude for doing their best for Down.
All good points but who does the measuring of this paid 'help'.They are actually a hindrance to any progress and accountable to god knows who.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: One in All in on June 06, 2016, 11:13:14 PM
I am an avid reader of these posts (rather than poster) but am now posting in that I hope it proves therapeutic but I doubt it can ease the suffocating angst that has haunted me since driving home from Clones

I'll start by saying we all know Eamon Burns took the job when many others refused it - that has to be respected - he probably let the County Board off their self made hook

Secondly, the players didn't go out to disappoint us. I would be disappointed if they weren't hurting like us

Yesterday was the nadir in a long period of decline - minus the blip when James had us over performing temporarily

I agree with many posters about the quality of club football being mediocre

We don't have dominant club teams that shine in Ulster nor do we have dominant players that stand out in Club matches

If we look at the 90s we were blessed with a golden generation - experienced campaigners combined with 87 Minor All Ireland team and 3 Ulster U 21 finalist teams (90 to 92) all pipped by Canavan and Cush inspired Tyrone All Ireland winners

There was a strength in depth there that underpinned 1990 National League Final and 91 & 94 and drove the starting 15 on to higher standards

We don't have that quality anymore and if we had changed 10 to 15 members of the 30 odd County Panel over the past 10 years would it have made any difference? - I doubt it

My fear is we  get another pasting in the Qualifiers as I am not sure how we turn around a performance like yesterday, 14 months without an inter county match win and some very lucky wins before that

At least we can't face Armagh in the next match (I think) - that defeat risk would be too much to stomach

We need leaders - on and off the field - they seem thin on the ground and based on recent trends we may well drop straight to Division 3 

As they say acknowledging you have a problem is the first step on the road to recovery

Here's hoping



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 06, 2016, 11:54:19 PM
Are there any positives from yesterday, sadly there are none, good players have been maligned on here and with good reason, where were our leaders , Eamonn looked like a rabbit caught in  cart headlights, I've nothing against the man but he was conned into taking the job, he was the last to be asked and it shows.
Unfortunately we now have to be reactive rather than re active, if we begin to chop of the dead wood within the county there may not be much left once the chopping stops. We need an outside consultant with a Gaa back ground not hockey to come in and sort this mess out,if oDwyer wasn't as old as he is I would be at his door, the enormity of the task is such that only a person of the highest quality and a knowledge of Gaelic football will tick the boxes to sort this mess.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 07, 2016, 12:17:24 AM
Surely Pete McGrath would do a job? He's doing well enough with Fermanagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 07, 2016, 07:51:55 AM
Pete Mcgrath should be brought in to oversee all development at underage level in the county. It's a no brained the man has the cv and once finished with fermanagh he needs to be back in the Down fold. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 07, 2016, 09:28:52 AM
Longford in Newry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 07, 2016, 09:46:56 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 07, 2016, 09:42:19 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 07, 2016, 07:51:55 AM
Pete Mcgrath should be brought in to oversee all development at underage level in the county. It's a no brained the man has the cv and once finished with fermanagh he needs to be back in the Down fold.
He came in before to apparently do this a few years ago and did nothing.Everyone seems to forget that unless you tip your hat to the Boss you generally don't bother or a reason is given to dispense of your services.Think McGrath and McCorry here

And he can't be deposed by anyone in Down!!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 07, 2016, 10:31:13 AM
Are county players not sticking out in club games because they're not as good as what went before? Or are they not obvious for the same reason that lots of flare players do not shine as much as previous in intercounty matches, due to packed defences, elaborate systems and a more collaborative effort? And has the fitness of the average club player risen to be close to the standard of the county players?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on June 07, 2016, 10:48:20 AM
That's a scary one given our fragility
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 07, 2016, 11:00:50 AM
There were worse draws we could have got. Longford mid table in division three and I'd suspect that we may just be a notch above them in terms of quality. Not a 'gimme' of a game by any stretch of the imagination but a very winnable one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on June 07, 2016, 12:53:40 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on June 05, 2016, 10:17:52 PM
Marty Clarke said on BBC at half time that he would have at least appreciated a phone call from burns to get asked onto the county panel. Why has this not happened. So many better players around the county than what was on display today.

Why was Marty Clarke not approached by Eamonn Burns? As Oisin McConville said this is absolutely astonishing. From the way he was speaking it would appear he was at least interested in joining the setup. Who knows what effect that could have had on other players who had deemed themselves unavailable. As mentioned before some of the players that came on barely looked like they had an above average standard of the basic skills of the game; surely there is a better calibre of player within the county even in the lower divisions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 07, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
Lads the whole set up is a joke
I see another 3 lads walked out on Friday night after the team was announced now if that was a tight knit group that would not happen
We have selectors who don't even attend club matches
A rugby coach as number 2
A secretary who is along the line making changes during matches
A panel that was out together with no trial matches
14 players out training 12 days ago
Marty Clarke who was not even asked to join the squad
We brought in 1 player after the league campaign and he was a keeper who handed Armagh 3 goals in the 21s
The whole set up is that of an average club side and the sooner the powers that be realise that before it's to late as the better players this year will not even go back next year and we will be poorer

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on June 07, 2016, 01:20:57 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 07, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
Lads the whole set up is a joke
I see another 3 lads walked out on Friday night after the team was announced now if that was a tight knit group that would not happen
We have selectors who don't even attend club matches
A rugby coach as number 2
A secretary who is along the line making changes during matches
A panel that was out together with no trial matches
14 players out training 12 days ago
Marty Clarke who was not even asked to join the squad
We brought in 1 player after the league campaign and he was a keeper who handed Armagh 3 goals in the 21s
The whole set up is that of an average club side and the sooner the powers that be realise that before it's to late as the better players this year will not even go back next year and we will be poorer

Who were the 3?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 07, 2016, 01:23:50 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 07, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
Lads the whole set up is a joke
I see another 3 lads walked out on Friday night after the team was announced now if that was a tight knit group that would not happen
We have selectors who don't even attend club matches
A rugby coach as number 2
A secretary who is along the line making changes during matches
A panel that was out together with no trial matches
14 players out training 12 days ago
Marty Clarke who was not even asked to join the squad
We brought in 1 player after the league campaign and he was a keeper who handed Armagh 3 goals in the 21s
The whole set up is that of an average club side and the sooner the powers that be realise that before it's to late as the better players this year will not even go back next year and we will be poorer



Where you not saying a week or two back that there were great vibes coming out of the camp and everything was rosey??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 07, 2016, 01:25:18 PM
I did
I'll hold my hands up I was wrong
The real reports normally come out after a defeat
How wrong was I
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 07, 2016, 01:27:02 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 07, 2016, 01:25:18 PM
I did
I'll hold my hands up I was wrong
The real reports normally come out after a defeat
How wrong was I

I had heard similar though so maybe take both the reports before and after the match with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Verticalball on June 07, 2016, 02:08:03 PM
Well folks, new member, here's my take on things. By my reckoning you could count up to 23 players who are not available at the minute after the latest withdrawals;

Benny coulter, Conor laverty, Paul mccomiskey, Peter fitzpatrick, Dan gordon, Conor garvey, Niall madine, Arthur mcconville, Niall mcparland, Declan rooney, Jerome johnstone, Ryan johnstone, Caolan mooney, Martin clarke, James colgan, Jamie o'reilly, Kevin duffin, Niall branigan, Kalum king, Danny savage, Ryan Boyle, Luke Howard, Packie Downey.

Now there are the likes of James Colgan and Jamie O'Reilly but I included them as they are examples of players who were allowed to drift away. Colgan watched an all ireland final from the bench in which we were being cleaned out in midfield and he should have been thrown in. He barely featured after that. O'Reilly was a serious talent and perhaps more could have been done to keep him involved. Obviously some other players are injured but the rest could all have been involved with better man management. Look at the contrast with Monaghan's approach regarding Finlay and Clerkin, Donegal with Kavanagh, Tyrone with Joe McMahon. They understand the value of having these guys about. Perhaps the current management and indeed the previous management have been too worried about putting the noses of some players out of joint by taking the experienced lads back in around March or April, instead of everyone realising that it would be in the best interests of down football. Management should be able to get people to buy into that approach. I have to say that the argument that we need to forget about the older players and build for the future doen't stand up anymore. Quite simply, the best players in the county should be there regardless of age. Kerry have lads at 36 years of age chomping at the bit and bringing the younger players on. Management need to reflect, man up and ask Clarke, Gordon, Laverty and anyone else who is an option to return to training this week. If others don't like it then they shouldn't be there in the first place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 07, 2016, 02:13:09 PM
Quote from: Verticalball on June 07, 2016, 02:08:03 PM
Well folks, new member, here's my take on things. By my reckoning you could count up to 23 players who are not available at the minute after the latest withdrawals;

Benny coulter, Conor laverty, Paul mccomiskey, Peter fitzpatrick, Dan gordon, Conor garvey, Niall madine, Arthur mcconville, Niall mcparland, Declan rooney, Jerome johnstone, Ryan johnstone, Caolan mooney, Martin clarke, James colgan, Jamie o'reilly, Kevin duffin, Niall branigan, Kalum king, Danny savage, Ryan Boyle, Luke Howard, Packie Downey.

Now there are the likes of James Colgan and Jamie O'Reilly but I included them as they are examples of players who were allowed to drift away. Colgan watched an all ireland final from the bench in which we were being cleaned out in midfield and he should have been thrown in. He barely featured after that. O'Reilly was a serious talent and perhaps more could have been done to keep him involved. Obviously some other players are injured but the rest could all have been involved with better man management. Look at the contrast with Monaghan's approach regarding Finlay and Clerkin, Donegal with Kavanagh, Tyrone with Joe McMahon. They understand the value of having these guys about. Perhaps the current management and indeed the previous management have been too worried about putting the noses of some players out of joint by taking the experienced lads back in around March or April, instead of everyone realising that it would be in the best interests of down football. Management should be able to get people to buy into that approach. I have to say that the argument that we need to forget about the older players and build for the future doen't stand up anymore. Quite simply, the best players in the county should be there regardless of age. Kerry have lads at 36 years of age chomping at the bit and bringing the younger players on. Management need to reflect, man up and ask Clarke, Gordon, Laverty and anyone else who is an option to return to training this week. If others don't like it then they shouldn't be there in the first place.

decent first post. welcome aboard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on June 07, 2016, 02:13:18 PM
I have held off until today before reading the backlash I knew would come on this discussion board. And yes, we were well and truly hammered but honestly what did you expect!!! Did people somehow think that just because it was championship that we were going to unearth some wonder players out of somewhere or that our league form was going to just disappear. Its quite simple, we just didn't have the quality, ability or talent available to us to put it up to a seasoned experienced good football team like Monaghan on their home turf for 70 minutes. Surely we can all call for heads to roll but unless you are either prepared to step up and take the various positions or have people in mind to do so then what is the point in ranting about it. We are typical outside the wire supporters, when things are going well we jump on the band wagon and when things are going bad we stick the knife in and turn it as much as we can. So as a result of Sunday, who is going to step up to affect change? Who is going to run for the various positions we are calling heads to roll in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on June 07, 2016, 04:00:02 PM
Quote from: downup on June 07, 2016, 02:13:18 PM
I have held off until today before reading the backlash I knew would come on this discussion board. And yes, we were well and truly hammered but honestly what did you expect!!! Did people somehow think that just because it was championship that we were going to unearth some wonder players out of somewhere or that our league form was going to just disappear. Its quite simple, we just didn't have the quality, ability or talent available to us to put it up to a seasoned experienced good football team like Monaghan on their home turf for 70 minutes. Surely we can all call for heads to roll but unless you are either prepared to step up and take the various positions or have people in mind to do so then what is the point in ranting about it. We are typical outside the wire supporters, when things are going well we jump on the band wagon and when things are going bad we stick the knife in and turn it as much as we can. So as a result of Sunday, who is going to step up to affect change? Who is going to run for the various positions we are calling heads to roll in?

I don't think this is the forum to nominate people for positions, I would have quite a few in mind none of which are part of the county board at present or any GAA administration for that. Vision doesn't usually coincide with those who take roles within any administration role in general. We have a huge multi national company sponsoring us, run by some very smart and visionary guys, why can we not sound out their input and their vision?

It is my honest opinion that anyone, and I mean ANYONE could do a better job than those currently in charge. Danny Hughes hit the nail on the head today in the Indo- we are at least 20 years behind!!

Out with the old, in with the new!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on June 07, 2016, 04:31:50 PM
Yes Speculative it is not the forum for nominations but saying that anyone would be better isn't much use. These are admiral thoughts but are you going to pursue these visionary people and ask them for their input to see what ideas they come up with and either bring these ideas to the county board or join the board yourself. Why don't you lead the way and become the start of 'The New'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on June 07, 2016, 06:36:46 PM
Youse are hilarious. Back to laying all the blame with a county secretary. Question. Do you have the players in the county at minor u 21 or senior to challenge for titles. No seems to be the current consensus here. But go ahead and blame the whole lot on one man.

Some keyboard warriors on here wait to see how many of you stick your hands up. Yes Down deserve better but the decline simply can't be put down to one man. That's ludicrous. If it's that bad why are your club delegates not doing something about it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 07, 2016, 07:02:23 PM
Quote from: bannside on June 07, 2016, 06:36:46 PM
Youse are hilarious. Back to laying all the blame with a county secretary. Question. Do you have the players in the county at minor u 21 or senior to challenge for titles. No seems to be the current consensus here. But go ahead and blame the whole lot on one man.

Some keyboard warriors on here wait to see how many of you stick your hands up. Yes Down deserve better but the decline simply can't be put down to one man. That's ludicrous. If it's that bad why are your club delegates not doing something about it.

Okay, respond to this then. In terms of infrastructure, player development, and end product, the gap between Down and the prominent Gaelic Football counties has been widening for 20 years. It's a problem that gets habitually reinforced around this time of year. This year's was a particularly rude awakening.

That's what the majority of your "keyboard warriors" are complaining about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on June 07, 2016, 10:07:23 PM
I understand your frustration and yes youse do need a new think tank and new men to step up. But that's a massive job and will take years. I don't see your much maligned county secretary objecting to anything progressive and I'd say if there was a new wave of enthusiasm...like what was created in Antrim so it can be done....then your secretary would be in a great place to facilitate that - not block that.

I have had run ins with our county secretary and chairmen too but they all do have the best interests of the county at heart and would greatly welcome with open arms any worthwhile initiative if it goes through the proper channels. And not on an anonymous discussion forum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 07, 2016, 10:21:05 PM
Lads i assume sunday was our biggest ever championship defeat? In last 60 years anyway
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 07, 2016, 10:38:43 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 07, 2016, 10:21:05 PM
Lads i assume sunday was our biggest ever championship defeat? In last 60 years anyway
according to the sunday game it was our biggest defeat ever in championship football.  :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 07, 2016, 10:42:44 PM
Heard that we have brought in a Darragh Cross player as well as a Tullylish player?
Anyone hear that?
Johnstone app playing well for the Lish but thought he was already on the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on June 07, 2016, 11:06:00 PM
My short and simplistic view is that Down got cleaned out in midfield 2nd half and that is why we got hammered.
Not enough emphasis on retaining the ball.
Fair play to the players and management for their commitment - I hope they have a good start to the Longford game, get a bit of confidence back, go on to win and show us how well they can play.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 07, 2016, 11:29:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 07, 2016, 10:42:44 PM
Heard that we have brought in a Darragh Cross player as well as a Tullylish player?
Anyone hear that?
Johnstone app playing well for the Lish but thought he was already on the panel?
Maybe a few Div 1 players would be better than Div 2 players at this stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 07, 2016, 11:31:58 PM
The biggest problem in midfield for me was the fact that Down (any time this year I have seen them) cannot seem to win breaking ball. Whether the man breaking it is simply not good enough to direct the breaking ball to a red jersey, or the opposition are simply better at it, it is rare to see a breaking ball in midfield being picked up by a Down man. It wasn't helped on Sunday by the fact that the kickouts regularly went to men that were outnumbered. I remember one occasion specifically in the second half were Murphy and McKernan were 2 on 1 with loads of room but Kane opted to kick out to Maginn (I think) on the left wing who was outnumbered about 3 to 1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on June 07, 2016, 11:46:45 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on Today at 10:42:44 PM
Heard that we have brought in a Darragh Cross player as well as a Tullylish player?
Anyone hear that?
Johnstone app playing well for the Lish but thought he was already on the panel?
Maybe a few Div 1 players would be better than Div 2 players at this stage.

Players people on here been crying out for going on two years now

Benny coulter division one team
Dan Gordon division two team
Martin clarke division two team
Caolan mooney division two team
Paul mccomiskey division four team

I'd be happy enough with the best players in the county playing for the county regardless of which parish they happen to be from.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on June 08, 2016, 07:05:00 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 07, 2016, 11:31:58 PM
The biggest problem in midfield for me was the fact that Down (any time this year I have seen them) cannot seem to win breaking ball. Whether the man breaking it is simply not good enough to direct the breaking ball to a red jersey, or the opposition are simply better at it, it is rare to see a breaking ball in midfield being picked up by a Down man. It wasn't helped on Sunday by the fact that the kickouts regularly went to men that were outnumbered. I remember one occasion specifically in the second half were Murphy and McKernan were 2 on 1 with loads of room but Kane opted to kick out to Maginn (I think) on the left wing who was outnumbered about 3 to 1.

100%
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 08, 2016, 07:09:03 AM
Quote from: east down gael on June 07, 2016, 11:46:45 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on Today at 10:42:44 PM
Heard that we have brought in a Darragh Cross player as well as a Tullylish player?
Anyone hear that?
Johnstone app playing well for the Lish but thought he was already on the panel?
Maybe a few Div 1 players would be better than Div 2 players at this stage.

Players people on here been crying out for going on two years now

Benny coulter division one team
Dan Gordon division two team
Martin clarke division two team
Caolan mooney division two team
Paul mccomiskey division four team

I'd be happy enough with the best players in the county playing for the county regardless of which parish they happen to be from.
Exactly. It's not the premier league where all the best players come from the big clobs. Maybe that's the problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on June 08, 2016, 11:16:14 AM
Can anyone post the Down Club Allstars team & nominees to see how many are on the panel?

Surely these were the best players in Down last year so should have been asked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 08, 2016, 11:21:22 AM
I see in the irish news today Davidson from Bredagh is away to Antrim, any Bredagh posters any information on what sort of player he is?

The buck stops here with the county board selection committee whoever they may be, they appointed an inept manager who unfortunately for him is clearly out of his depth and the players know that also which reflects in the lack of belief and effort in the second half on Sunday.

Can anyone actually clarify who exactly appoints managers in this county? Can we have names please of the people responsible for this process?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on June 08, 2016, 11:25:26 AM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on June 08, 2016, 11:16:14 AM
Can anyone post the Down Club Allstars team & nominees to see how many are on the panel?

Surely these were the best players in Down last year so should have been asked.

The full List of nominees for the O'Reilly Transport Club Down Allstars are as follows:

Goalkeepers:
Stephen Kane (Kilcoo)
Mark Reid (Bryansford)

Backs:
Aaron Branagan (Kilcoo)
Daryl Branagan (Kilcoo)
Conor Doyle (An Ríocht)
Kevin Duffin (Castlewellan)
Tommy McElroy (Bredagh)
Gerard McGovern (Burren)
Shane McNamee (Mayobridge)
Daniel Morgan (Castlewellan)
Darren O'Hagan (Clonduff)
Robbie White (Ballyholland)
Midfielders:
Dan Gordon (Loughinisland)
Paul Greenan (Kilcoo)
Shane Harrison (Glasdrumman)
Stephen Rooney (Ardglass)

Forwards:
Cathal Arnold (Saul)
Aidan Burns (Castlewellan)
Connaire Harrison (Glasdrumman)
Gareth Johnston (Tullylish)
Jerome Johnston (Kilcoo)
Ryan Johnston (Kilcoo)
Rory Mason (Loughinisland)
Donagh McAleenan (Warrenpoint)
Shay Miller (Glenn)
Ryan O'Hare (Ballymartin)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on June 08, 2016, 11:27:25 AM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on June 08, 2016, 11:16:14 AM
Can anyone post the Down Club Allstars team & nominees to see how many are on the panel?

Surely these were the best players in Down last year so should have been asked.

2015 Team of the Year: Steven Kane (Kilcoo); Aaron Branagan (Kilcoo), Gerard McGovern (Burren), Daryl Branagan (Kilcoo); Conor Doyle (An Ríocht), Robbie White (Ballyholland), Daniel Morgan (Castlewellan); Dan Gordon (Loughinisland), Paul Greenan (Kilcoo); Shay Millar (Glenn), Aidan Burns (Castlewellan), Ryan Johnston (Kilcoo); Rory Mason (Loughinisland), Connaire Harrison (Glasdrumman), Jerome Johnston (Kilcoo).

Down (SFC v Monaghan): Steven Kane; Gerard Collins, Gerard McGovern, Darren O'Hagan; David McKibbin, Aidan Carr, Darragh O'Hanlon; Peter Turley, Kevin McKernan; Conor Maginn, Mark Poland, Joe Murphy; Conaill McGovern, Connaire Harrison, Barry O'Hagan.

3 of last years all star team started on sunday. The 2 Johnstons were injured.

10 of last years all star team are not on the panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on June 08, 2016, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on June 08, 2016, 11:25:26 AM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on June 08, 2016, 11:16:14 AM
Can anyone post the Down Club Allstars team & nominees to see how many are on the panel?

Surely these were the best players in Down last year so should have been asked.

The full List of nominees for the O'Reilly Transport Club Down Allstars are as follows:

Goalkeepers:
Stephen Kane (Kilcoo) - On panel
Mark Reid (Bryansford) - On panel

Backs:
Aaron Branagan (Kilcoo) - No
Daryl Branagan (Kilcoo) - No
Conor Doyle (An Ríocht) - No
Kevin Duffin (Castlewellan) - No
Tommy McElroy (Bredagh) - No (probably not an option)
Gerard McGovern (Burren) - On panel
Shane McNamee (Mayobridge) - No
Daniel Morgan (Castlewellan) - No
Darren O'Hagan (Clonduff) - On panel
Robbie White (Ballyholland) - No
Midfielders:
Dan Gordon (Loughinisland) - No (said he wouldnt go back so can rule him out)
Paul Greenan (Kilcoo) - No (Australia at the minute can rule him out too)
Shane Harrison (Glasdrumman) - No
Stephen Rooney (Ardglass) - No

Forwards:
Cathal Arnold (Saul) - No
Aidan Burns (Castlewellan) - No (Australia too)
Connaire Harrison (Glasdrumman) - On panel
Gareth Johnston (Tullylish) - Has he left the panel?
Jerome Johnston (Kilcoo) - Injured
Ryan Johnston (Kilcoo) - Injured
Rory Mason (Loughinisland) - No
Donagh McAleenan (Warrenpoint) - No
Shay Miller (Glenn) - No
Ryan O'Hare (Ballymartin) - No (works in London so probably not an option)

As far as I'm aware this is the status of these players. Does anyone think anyone excluded from the panel but on this list should have been given a chance? Or is there a reason they haven't been given a chance?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on June 08, 2016, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on June 08, 2016, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on June 08, 2016, 11:25:26 AM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on June 08, 2016, 11:16:14 AM
Can anyone post the Down Club Allstars team & nominees to see how many are on the panel?

Surely these were the best players in Down last year so should have been asked.

The full List of nominees for the O'Reilly Transport Club Down Allstars are as follows:

Goalkeepers:
Stephen Kane (Kilcoo) - On panel
Mark Reid (Bryansford) - On panel

Backs:
Aaron Branagan (Kilcoo) - No
Daryl Branagan (Kilcoo) - No
Conor Doyle (An Ríocht) - No
Kevin Duffin (Castlewellan) - No
Tommy McElroy (Bredagh) - No (probably not an option)
Gerard McGovern (Burren) - On panel
Shane McNamee (Mayobridge) - No
Daniel Morgan (Castlewellan) - No
Darren O'Hagan (Clonduff) - On panel
Robbie White (Ballyholland) - No
Midfielders:
Dan Gordon (Loughinisland) - No (said he wouldnt go back so can rule him out)
Paul Greenan (Kilcoo) - No (Australia at the minute can rule him out too)
Shane Harrison (Glasdrumman) - No
Stephen Rooney (Ardglass) - No

Forwards:
Cathal Arnold (Saul) - No
Aidan Burns (Castlewellan) - No (Australia too)
Connaire Harrison (Glasdrumman) - On panel
Gareth Johnston (Tullylish) - Has he left the panel?
Jerome Johnston (Kilcoo) - Injured
Ryan Johnston (Kilcoo) - Injured
Rory Mason (Loughinisland) - No
Donagh McAleenan (Warrenpoint) - No
Shay Miller (Glenn) - No
Ryan O'Hare (Ballymartin) - No (works in London so probably not an option)

As far as I'm aware this is the status of these players. Does anyone think anyone excluded from the panel but on this list should have been given a chance? Or is there a reason they haven't been given a chance?

Just thinking here, how are these nominations made? Do the club nominate their own players or do they nominate players from different clubs within their division?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on June 08, 2016, 12:47:36 PM
Quote from: bannside on June 07, 2016, 06:36:46 PM
Youse are hilarious. Back to laying all the blame with a county secretary. Question. Do you have the players in the county at minor u 21 or senior to challenge for titles. No seems to be the current consensus here. But go ahead and blame the whole lot on one man.

Some keyboard warriors on here wait to see how many of you stick your hands up. Yes Down deserve better but the decline simply can't be put down to one man. That's ludicrous. If it's that bad why are your club delegates not doing something about it.

Question: Why are there not the players at youth level?
Answer: Inadequate structures set by the Down County Board
Conclusion: County Board are to blame

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Verticalball on June 08, 2016, 01:23:37 PM
Would be interesting to find out whether Alan Davidson was approached, could simply be that he wouldn't consider Down as an option and that he would only play for Antrim. Cathal Arnold is a very good player and would certainly deserve a call up.  Surely there will be a few additions to the panel considering the number of players who walked away after the league and last week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on June 08, 2016, 01:40:26 PM
Seeing as his club manager in the same article was criticising the fact he wasn't given a trial I think it's safe to assume he wasn't approached.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on June 08, 2016, 01:50:32 PM
Part of the problem lies in the fact the same faces get called onto the County time & time again, even if their performances at Club level have been sub-standard for some years. A perfect example of this would be Kevin McKernan & Benny. Benny hasn't been Mayobridge's stand out performer for about 5 years yet people are hailing him as some sort of saviour of Down.
Kevin McKernan is almost anonymous anytime I have seen Burren play in the past 3/4 seasons yet is one of the supposed leaders of our County Team? There is something seriously wrong there.

Things need changed from the very top down. There are too many people involved who enjoy being involved for the glamour it brings come the Summer.

There needs to be a better structure to our League system & the best players on show in the league should represent the Down Senior Football Team - Simple. But more often than not Club politics gets dragged into the mix and we end up year on year with the same 20 odd faces that haven't performed the year before.

I think many on this forum could highlight better footballers that are not currently involved in the County set up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on June 08, 2016, 01:57:52 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on June 08, 2016, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on June 08, 2016, 11:38:15 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on June 08, 2016, 11:25:26 AM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on June 08, 2016, 11:16:14 AM
Can anyone post the Down Club Allstars team & nominees to see how many are on the panel?

Surely these were the best players in Down last year so should have been asked.

The full List of nominees for the O'Reilly Transport Club Down Allstars are as follows:

Goalkeepers:
Stephen Kane (Kilcoo) - On panel
Mark Reid (Bryansford) - On panel

Backs:
Aaron Branagan (Kilcoo) - No
Daryl Branagan (Kilcoo) - No
Conor Doyle (An Ríocht) - No
Kevin Duffin (Castlewellan) - No
Tommy McElroy (Bredagh) - No (probably not an option)
Gerard McGovern (Burren) - On panel
Shane McNamee (Mayobridge) - No
Daniel Morgan (Castlewellan) - No
Darren O'Hagan (Clonduff) - On panel
Robbie White (Ballyholland) - No
Midfielders:
Dan Gordon (Loughinisland) - No (said he wouldnt go back so can rule him out)
Paul Greenan (Kilcoo) - No (Australia at the minute can rule him out too)
Shane Harrison (Glasdrumman) - No
Stephen Rooney (Ardglass) - No

Forwards:
Cathal Arnold (Saul) - No
Aidan Burns (Castlewellan) - No (Australia too)
Connaire Harrison (Glasdrumman) - On panel
Gareth Johnston (Tullylish) - Has he left the panel?
Jerome Johnston (Kilcoo) - Injured
Ryan Johnston (Kilcoo) - Injured
Rory Mason (Loughinisland) - No
Donagh McAleenan (Warrenpoint) - No
Shay Miller (Glenn) - No
Ryan O'Hare (Ballymartin) - No (works in London so probably not an option)

As far as I'm aware this is the status of these players. Does anyone think anyone excluded from the panel but on this list should have been given a chance? Or is there a reason they haven't been given a chance?

Just thinking here, how are these nominations made? Do the club nominate their own players or do they nominate players from different clubs within their division?

Think opposition managers nominate players their teams have played against.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Verticalball on June 08, 2016, 02:15:58 PM
Guevara the main problem with McKernan in my eyes is that he has had to move position so many times to try and plug the gaps left by others who are not available for whatever reason. Down aren't getting the best of him as a result and he looks like a player short on confidence. He is being used as a sweeper far too often instead of being more attack minded. Think of Celtic park three years ago and his performance when he was given the freedom to attack.

Benny would be far from the saviour of Down football at this stage but as I've already said, the value of having a Benny Coulter, Joe McMahon or Dick Clerkin about the place can't be underestimated. He may be a shadow of the player he once was but that doesn't mean he couldn't have an impact if asked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on June 08, 2016, 04:41:43 PM
Kevin McKernan is not played out of position for Burren though and he regularly struggles to have any impact on games, especially the more important ones for his Club. Any time I have watched them Conal McGovern or Eamonn Toner would be their "go to" player.

I am not criticising Benny, far from it. I was and remain a huge fan of his but he is not the player he was in 2010 and the impact he is having on Club games is dwindling yet people continue to name him alongside Marty Clarke, Dan Gordon, Ambrose Rodgers and Peter Fitzpatrick as players who can come in and rescue the County from this fiasco. I watched Fitzpatrick last year and this year and he isn't fit and a shadow of the player he was yet his name will continue to be fired about.

The reality is that unless the correct Manager is put in place, who is prepared to select players based on Club form then the dire state of of our Senior Team will continue to be discussed in the next few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 08, 2016, 06:59:26 PM
Quote from: guevara on June 08, 2016, 04:41:43 PM
Kevin McKernan is not played out of position for Burren though and he regularly struggles to have any impact on games, especially the more important ones for his Club. Any time I have watched them Conal McGovern or Eamonn Toner would be their "go to" player.

I am not criticising Benny, far from it. I was and remain a huge fan of his but he is not the player he was in 2010 and the impact he is having on Club games is dwindling yet people continue to name him alongside Marty Clarke, Dan Gordon, Ambrose Rodgers and Peter Fitzpatrick as players who can come in and rescue the County from this fiasco. I watched Fitzpatrick last year and this year and he isn't fit and a shadow of the player he was yet his name will continue to be fired about.

The reality is that unless the correct Manager is put in place, who is prepared to select players based on Club form then the dire state of of our Senior Team will continue to be discussed in the next few years.

Can't really argue with any of that.  If add play the boys in the position they are performing for their club, eg Conal McGovern wing forward and not full back !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on June 08, 2016, 09:58:55 PM
Quote from: Verticalball on June 08, 2016, 02:15:58 PM
Guevara the main problem with McKernan in my eyes is that he has had to move position so many times to try and plug the gaps left by others who are not available for whatever reason.

Kevin McKernan had a great season at chb in 2010 but is barely 6ft so to expect him to win a high percentage of kickouts against the best midfielders in Ireland is unrealistic.  A midfielders first criteria should be that if either team kick the ball long that they will have a decent chance of either catching the ball clean or making sure that that the opposition doesn't and be athletic enough to get up and down the pitch.  Anything else they can do is a bonus.  There is plenty of very successful intercounty midfielders e.g.  Neil Gallagher, Michael Dara Macauley, Eamon Burns .. who I would not describe as great footballers in the purest sense but have performed very important roles for there teams.

Similarly in the forward line Down seem to pick players and then put them in positions as opposed to pick a system and then find players for each position within the system.  In 1991 and 1994 Shorty Trainer was one of the best club players in Ireland but Down went with Greg Blaney in chf, they did not try to find a way of having 2 play making 1/2 forwards and sacrifice a ball winner like Peter Withnall or Aidan Farrell to accomodate.


Quote from: wobbller on June 07, 2016, 11:29:41 PM
Maybe a few Div 1 players would be better than Div 2 players at this stage.

I think that the perception that all county players should be playing in division 1 and most at the top of division 1 is a problem.  In the 1991 and 1994 1/2 the starting team was outside division 1.  In 1992 Burren lost in an ulster final replay to Lavey but there was 0 Burren players starting for Down between 1992 and 94.  In Fermanagh there is 21 senior clubs, last year Pete McGrath had at least 1 panel member from 20 of those clubs.

We need a system in place to firstly identify and then bring potential players through from all over the county and if we have potential players from weaker teams that would benefit from a weights program or some specialised coaching to bring them up to county standard then we should do this.  I like the model Kerry have to find players where they have 4 divisional teams in division 1 made up of the best players from all the other teams, the divisional teams in Kerry cannot be relegated.  It's almost impossible to expect a manager to come in to manage Down and expect them to know every player throughout the whole county, even if they did watch a match how would they know if a potential player stars because they are good or because the player he is marking is sh1te.  If they were corner back on a divisional team and could keep Benny Coulter scoreless then at least you know you have someone that is worth watching a second time.

There is a lot of rose tinted glasses about bringing Benny and Dan back, that it will solve all Downs problems but Benny will be 35 next year, it's not like we are 1 player short of winning something like Cork where when they brought Dinny Allen back in 1989.  Good as Benny and Dan where in there prime it was certainly no guarantee of success if we look at the championship defeats Down have had over the years when they were playing.

01/08/1999 DOWN 0 - 10 3 - 12 ARMAGH
28/05/2000 DOWN 1 - 7 0 - 13 ANTRIM
09/06/2001 DOWN 2 - 4 1 - 13 ARMAGH
02/06/2002 DOWN 1 - 6 3 - 12 DONEGAL
08/06/2002 DOWN 0 - 14 1 - 16 LONGFORD
13/07/2003 DOWN 4 - 8 1 - 17 TYRONE
20/07/2003 DOWN 1 - 5 0 - 23 TYRONE
26/07/2003 DOWN 2 - 10 3 - 15 DONEGAL
30/05/2004 DOWN 2 - 12 3 - 13 CAVAN
03/07/2004 DOWN 0 - 10 1 - 15 TYRONE
22/05/2005 DOWN 1 - 6 1 - 13 TYRONE
03/07/2005 DOWN 2 - 9 3 - 8 DERRY
04/06/2006 DOWN 1 - 11 1 - 12 DONEGAL
17/06/2006 DOWN 0 - 4 1 - 7 SLIGO
10/06/2007 DOWN 1 - 15 2 - 15 MONAGHAN
07/07/2007 DOWN 0 - 8 1 - 10 MEATH
29/06/2008 DOWN 0 - 11 1 - 12 ARMAGH
02/08/2008 DOWN 0 - 12 2 - 13 WEXFORD
17/05/2009 DOWN 0 - 10 0 - 13 FERMANAGH
18/07/2009 DOWN 0 - 17 1 - 15 WICKLOW
19/09/2010 DOWN 0 - 15 0 - 16 CORK
28/05/2011 DOWN 1 - 10 1 - 15 ARMAGH
23/07/2011 DOWN 0 - 14 2 - 20 CORK
22/07/2012 DOWN 0 - 13 2 - 18 DONEGAL
04/08/2012 DOWN 2 - 9 3 - 18 MAYO
23/06/2013 DOWN 0 - 9 0 - 12 DONEGAL
06/07/2013 DOWN 1 - 5 0 - 13 DERRY
24/05/2014 DOWN 0 - 12 3 - 11 TYRONE
13/07/2014 DOWN 0 - 11 1 - 18 KILDARE
07/06/2015 DOWN 0 - 11 0 - 12 DERRY
27/06/2015 DOWN 2 - 11 2 - 16 WEXFORD
05/06/2016 DOWN 0 - 9 2 - 22 MONAGHAN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: NP 76 on June 09, 2016, 09:49:21 AM
Looks like Davidson is away to Antrim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on June 09, 2016, 09:50:07 AM
Speculative.... you can't hang your countys problems entirely on development squad activity. That's far too convenient.

The "development" of the perfect footballer is down to many influences. Genetic probably being the biggest. Primary school, secondary/grammar school, parental influence, club coaches the whole way up, and...If all this is in place....a county development coach could probably take this on another yard or two. But it's a whole combination of factors not just one.

So in keeping with your theory all the county secretary has to do us oversee the appointment of say....Benny Coulter.. to take responsibility of Down development squads and within five years Down will be back winning All Irelands!

Sorry to burst your bubble but the Greg Blaneys the Mickey Lindens and the James Mc Cartans would still have been the best footballers in the land if they had never set foot in a development squad. You either have it or you don't....and sadly the footballers just arnt there at the minute. Surely that's plain to see.

Wobbler gets this to be fair.

But sure go ahead and blame the county secretary anyway you need a scapegoat of some kind and he is the easy target. As I said before some of you are hilarious!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on June 09, 2016, 10:05:05 AM
Or let's keep it even simpler. Apart from Marty Clarke who is a class act have Down got one player who would make the Dublin squad?

Down are going through the same problems as Derry, Armagh, Meath and other counties who managed to win an all Ireland or two based on having a dozen class acts all sitting in the same dressing room.

You could have twenty middling greyhounds but sadly not one of them will win a classic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on June 09, 2016, 10:30:07 AM
Quote from: bannside on June 09, 2016, 09:50:07 AM
Speculative.... you can't hang your countys problems entirely on development squad activity. That's far too convenient.

The "development" of the perfect footballer is down to many influences. Genetic probably being the biggest. Primary school, secondary/grammar school, parental influence, club coaches the whole way up, and...If all this is in place....a county development coach could probably take this on another yard or two. But it's a whole combination of factors not just one.

So in keeping with your theory all the county secretary has to do us oversee the appointment of say....Benny Coulter.. to take responsibility of Down development squads and within five years Down will be back winning All Irelands!

Sorry to burst your bubble but the Greg Blaneys the Mickey Lindens and the James Mc Cartans would still have been the best footballers in the land if they had never set foot in a development squad. You either have it or you don't....and sadly the footballers just arnt there at the minute. Surely that's plain to see.

Wobbler gets this to be fair.

But sure go ahead and blame the county secretary anyway you need a scapegoat of some kind and he is the easy target. As I said before some of you are hilarious!

It's those bloody Genetics that are the problem... If only we had some Tyrone or Monaghan men or woman that would move into the county and give us some footballers! f**k me lads what have you's all been doing since 94 is it her or your fault!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 09, 2016, 11:33:37 AM
Bannside has hit the nail on the head
You either have a bit of football in you are not
Do you think all the great players came through development squads?
No chance!They will make it to the top with or without development squads
They should be getting developed at ther clubs
The bigger clubs will always produce the best players as they are getting better developed at CLUBS
This MYTH that we need our development squads sorted is bull
How many of the 99-05 minor teams went through development sqauds?
They had extremely talented players who came through together at the right time that now we just don't have
Cut the crap about all this development at look to get the best 30 players on the squad to play for Down every year and at the minute there is 15 not there at least
Gordan,Clarke,Laverty,Garvey,Mooney,Madine,Johnstones(injured)Brannigan,McParland and a few more
Imagine we played Monaghan with this team
Cunningham 21
O hagen24 McGovern 21McArdle 28
Garvey 28McParland 23McKernan 28
Gordan31 Turley31
Johnstone 22Poland 30mooney24
Laverty 30clarke28 Johnstone /O Hare24

Subs
McGovern
Harrison
Kane
Maginn

I put ages beside the team but obviously I could be out a few years with some
Let's face the reality here
And under the current set up not a hope of getting that team out

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on June 09, 2016, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 09, 2016, 11:33:37 AM
Bannside has hit the nail on the head
You either have a bit of football in you are not
Do you think all the great players came through development squads?
No chance!They will make it to the top with or without development squads
They should be getting developed at ther clubs
The bigger clubs will always produce the best players as they are getting better developed at CLUBS
This MYTH that we need our development squads sorted is bull
How many of the 99-05 minor teams went through development sqauds?
They had extremely talented players who came through together at the right time that now we just don't have
Cut the crap about all this development at look to get the best 30 players on the squad to play for Down every year and at the minute there is 15 not there at least
Gordan,Clarke,Laverty,Garvey,Mooney,Madine,Johnstones(injured)Brannigan,McParland and a few more
Imagine we played Monaghan with this team
Cunningham 21
O hagen24 McGovern 21McArdle 28
Garvey 28McParland 23McKernan 28
Gordan31 Turley31
Johnstone 22Poland 30mooney24
Laverty 30clarke28 Johnstone /O Hare24

Subs
McGovern
Harrison
Kane
Maginn

I put ages beside the team but obviously I could be out a few years with some
Let's face the reality here
And under the current set up not a hope of getting that team out

There's your problem right there - imagine we had played with this team here...and what? that's the best team you can name from this county and they would still have been beat out the door on Sunday...but sure we would only been beat by 10 points instead of 19 so i suppose thats kind of a moral victory isn't it. No need to put any time or effort into improving footballers or bringing lads through sure we'll sit on our hands and wait until the next batch magically appear... they will come along some time...maybe in 5 years, 10 years could even be 40 but they will come and sure we can all watch the Tyrones / Donegal / Monaghan continue to power ahead of us. Somebody let me know when they are coming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 09, 2016, 12:40:38 PM
That team would not have been beat out the door
Sure Down best them a few seasons ago
Monaghan yes have improved but that day Down had no clarke mooney johnstones gordan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on June 09, 2016, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: bannside on June 09, 2016, 09:50:07 AM
Speculative.... you can't hang your countys problems entirely on development squad activity. That's far too convenient.

The "development" of the perfect footballer is down to many influences. Genetic probably being the biggest. Primary school, secondary/grammar school, parental influence, club coaches the whole way up, and...If all this is in place....a county development coach could probably take this on another yard or two. But it's a whole combination of factors not just one.

So in keeping with your theory all the county secretary has to do us oversee the appointment of say....Benny Coulter.. to take responsibility of Down development squads and within five years Down will be back winning All Irelands!

Sorry to burst your bubble but the Greg Blaneys the Mickey Lindens and the James Mc Cartans would still have been the best footballers in the land if they had never set foot in a development squad. You either have it or you don't....and sadly the footballers just arnt there at the minute. Surely that's plain to see.

Wobbler gets this to be fair.

But sure go ahead and blame the county secretary anyway you need a scapegoat of some kind and he is the easy target. As I said before some of you are hilarious!


Ridiculous statement. In your mind those born in Tyrone in the last 30 years have a better genetic make up than those born in Down or Armagh and that's the reason why they're streets ahead of us? Jesus, Charles Darwin lives!!

Tyrone are streets ahead of us because they invested in their infrastructure to develop young talent. Simple as that.

Down stumbled upon 2 good minor teams in 99 and 05, does that mean that we have to wait for another anomaly in the genetic make up until we can have another decent minor team?

Ridiculous, utterly!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on June 09, 2016, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: speculative on June 09, 2016, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: bannside on June 09, 2016, 09:50:07 AM
Speculative.... you can't hang your countys problems entirely on development squad activity. That's far too convenient.

The "development" of the perfect footballer is down to many influences. Genetic probably being the biggest. Primary school, secondary/grammar school, parental influence, club coaches the whole way up, and...If all this is in place....a county development coach could probably take this on another yard or two. But it's a whole combination of factors not just one.

So in keeping with your theory all the county secretary has to do us oversee the appointment of say....Benny Coulter.. to take responsibility of Down development squads and within five years Down will be back winning All Irelands!

Sorry to burst your bubble but the Greg Blaneys the Mickey Lindens and the James Mc Cartans would still have been the best footballers in the land if they had never set foot in a development squad. You either have it or you don't....and sadly the footballers just arnt there at the minute. Surely that's plain to see.

Wobbler gets this to be fair.

But sure go ahead and blame the county secretary anyway you need a scapegoat of some kind and he is the easy target. As I said before some of you are hilarious!


Ridiculous statement. In your mind those born in Tyrone in the last 30 years have a better genetic make up than those born in Down or Armagh and that's the reason why they're streets ahead of us? Jesus, Charles Darwin lives!!

Tyrone are streets ahead of us because they invested in their infrastructure to develop young talent. Simple as that.

Down stumbled upon 2 good minor teams in 99 and 05, does that mean that we have to wait for another anomaly in the genetic make up until we can have another decent minor team?

Ridiculous, utterly!

I dont think you could have put it better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 09, 2016, 01:26:57 PM
What does the development squads do to make players better?
They talk about Cavan sure the best a brutal Armagh team and got promoted from a poor division 2
They also got hammered out the gate in last years championship
We got promoted last year
The Donegal team of 2010 got hammered by Armagh in Cross by 15 points jim mcguiness takes over the following year and they get to all Ireland semi final and the rest is history
No sign of a development plan in sight
He got the best 25 players in Donegal and had them eating out of his hands for 3 years and the dominated
Where was the development sqauds?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 09, 2016, 01:41:52 PM
Quote from: guevara on June 08, 2016, 01:50:32 PM
Part of the problem lies in the fact the same faces get called onto the County time & time again, even if their performances at Club level have been sub-standard for some years. A perfect example of this would be Kevin McKernan & Benny. Benny hasn't been Mayobridge's stand out performer for about 5 years yet people are hailing him as some sort of saviour of Down.
Kevin McKernan is almost anonymous anytime I have seen Burren play in the past 3/4 seasons yet is one of the supposed leaders of our County Team? There is something seriously wrong there.

Things need changed from the very top down. There are too many people involved who enjoy being involved for the glamour it brings come the Summer.

There needs to be a better structure to our League system & the best players on show in the league should represent the Down Senior Football Team - Simple. But more often than not Club politics gets dragged into the mix and we end up year on year with the same 20 odd faces that haven't performed the year before.

I think many on this forum could highlight better footballers that are not currently involved in the County set up.

cheers I needed a laugh today. from what I have read over the years half of the posters on here are wind up merchants and most of the other half wouldn't know the front of an oneills ball from the back let alone selecting players for an underage club team never mind a county team.

Davidson being overlooked is yet another indication that those involved in indentification of players have their heads up their proverbial backsides

Davidson is mentioned in a thread just below and was featured in a recent Down yearbook yet was not looked at or tried in a Down jersey during McKenna cup ? why ? what the actual feck ?


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Verticalball on June 09, 2016, 02:38:45 PM
Another strange one regarding Davidson. It seems that the door has been firmly closed for some time now on bringing anybody into the panel other than those who were initially considered during the mckenna cup or league. If that is the case it is incredibly short sighted of the management. Longford will be rubbing their hands at the prospect of playing us and who knows how many other players may walk between now and then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on June 09, 2016, 03:00:21 PM
"Davidson being overlooked is yet another indication that those involved in indentification of players have their heads up their proverbial backsides

Davidson is mentioned in a thread just below and was featured in a recent Down yearbook yet was not looked at or tried in a Down jersey during McKenna cup ? why ? what the actual feck ?"

Scoring stats alone should have at least got him a chance to train with the squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on June 09, 2016, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Verticalball on June 09, 2016, 02:38:45 PM
Another strange one regarding Davidson. It seems that the door has been firmly closed for some time now on bringing anybody into the panel other than those who were initially considered during the mckenna cup or league. If that is the case it is incredibly short sighted of the management. Longford will be rubbing their hands at the prospect of playing us and who knows how many other players may walk between now and then.

So you don't think there are players in Down that are better Footballers than those on view last Sunday? Here is a few....... John Boyle Warrenpoint, Liam Bagnall Glenn, Kevin Anderson Annaclone, Shaun Parr Rostrevor (Coming back from Injury)Johnny Parr Rostrevor, Robbie White Ballyholland & that is just a few.
Granted a few of the above have been involved at some stage but they are better FOOTBALLERS than a lot of that team on Sunday. If you disagree go and watch the League games.

There is a belief within our County that if you were on the County last year but play crap all year then you deserve to be on it again the following year to be given a chance. This is part of the problem, loyalty to those who continue to deliver poor performances year in year out.
If Alan Davidson played for Burren/Kilcoo/Mayobridge he wouldve been on the County at least two years ago. Another missed opportunity by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2016, 03:08:08 PM
Why not just name the rest of the Warrenpoint FC panel sure. ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2016, 03:25:39 PM
Try again.
Wasn't referring to Davidson.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 09, 2016, 04:11:30 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2016, 03:25:39 PM
Try again.
Wasn't referring to Davidson.
apology.See your ""point""now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 09, 2016, 06:27:19 PM
I also think the following are more than capable of representing Down..

Michael Ireland - Longstone
Ronan Millar - Glenn
Shay Millar - Glenn
Philip Bonny - The Ford
2 Brannigans - Kilcoo
Shane McNamee - The Bridge..

Not to mention players with previous experience

Niall McParland
Niall Madine
Conor Garvey
Marty Clarke
Big Dan
Laverty..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on June 09, 2016, 06:37:27 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 09, 2016, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2016, 03:08:08 PM
Why not just name the rest of the Warrenpoint FC panel sure. ::)
Not professing to be a follower of the óle soccer but I don't think Davison every played for
Warrenpoint FC

Robbie White has never played for Warrenpoint Town as far as I am aware, neither has Alan Davidson so your point is? I named them players based on games I have watched in the League last year/this year.

Kevin Anderson is Annaclone's best player & has destroyed teams in Down by himself. A big strong athlete who was never given a chance under previous Managers.
Robbie White is the current Division 1 Footballer of the Year if I am not mistaken? Liam Bagnall and John Boyle are better footballers than current players on that Down Team.
Shaun Parr should have been brought onto the County Team (never mind panel) five or six years ago.
Alan Davidson is consistently scoring big numbers for Bredagh yet has been overlooked because he plays for a unfashionable Club at the wrong end of the County.

But hey feel free to point out why you do not think the above are not good enough to be on the current Down Team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rainbowman on June 09, 2016, 08:46:14 PM
Rumour has it our County secretary has blocked Alan Davison from training with Antrim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 09, 2016, 09:05:47 PM
 Back to the real world of League Football tomorrow night.Something different to talk about rather the dark hangover from last Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Verticalball on June 09, 2016, 09:23:12 PM
Quote from: guevara on June 09, 2016, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: Verticalball on June 09, 2016, 02:38:45 PM
Another strange one regarding Davidson. It seems that the door has been firmly closed for some time now on bringing anybody into the panel other than those who were initially considered during the mckenna cup or league. If that is the case it is incredibly short sighted of the management. Longford will be rubbing their hands at the prospect of playing us and who knows how many other players may walk between now and then.

So you don't think there are players in Down that are better Footballers than those on view last Sunday? Here is a few....... John Boyle Warrenpoint, Liam Bagnall Glenn, Kevin Anderson Annaclone, Shaun Parr Rostrevor (Coming back from Injury)Johnny Parr Rostrevor, Robbie White Ballyholland & that is just a few.
Granted a few of the above have been involved at some stage but they are better FOOTBALLERS than a lot of that team on Sunday. If you disagree go and watch the League games.

There is a belief within our County that if you were on the County last year but play crap all year then you deserve to be on it again the following year to be given a chance. This is part of the problem, loyalty to those who continue to deliver poor performances year in year out.
If Alan Davidson played for Burren/Kilcoo/Mayobridge he wouldve been on the County at least two years ago. Another missed opportunity by the looks of it.

I wouldn't disagree that white and probably shaun parr are potentially better footballers than many of those who played on Sunday, not sure about the rest having seen them play in the past although perhaps you get to more league football matches than I do. If you look again at my earlier posts you will see that the main issue in my eyes is the sheer number of quality footballers who are not available or currently on the panel and who could be if things were done differently, so we seem to be in agreement on that. However if you're suggesting that the players you name should replace the likes of mckernan we really are losing the run of ourselves. Who exactly do you consider worth keeping then?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 09, 2016, 09:33:17 PM
Ballymartin got their first league win of the season tonight, a 1 point win over their neighbours longstone. Ballymartin 2-6 longstone 1-8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 09, 2016, 09:48:27 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 09, 2016, 09:33:17 PM
Ballymartin got their first league win of the season tonight, a 1 point win over their neighbours longstone. Ballymartin 2-6 longstone 1-8

Fair play...that's some result for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 09, 2016, 11:49:04 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 09, 2016, 06:27:19 PM
I also think the following are more than capable of representing Down..

Michael Ireland - Longstone
Ronan Millar - Glenn
Shay Millar - Glenn
Philip Bonny - The Ford
2 Brannigans - Kilcoo
Shane McNamee - The Bridge..

Not to mention players with previous experience

Niall McParland
Niall Madine
Conor Garvey
Marty Clarke
Big Dan
Laverty..
It wasn't too long ago the Glenn posters were declaring all out allegiance to their Club and there would be no County action for any of their Club men so you may take the Millars and McParland off your list.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 09, 2016, 11:52:02 PM
Quote from: guevara on June 09, 2016, 06:37:27 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 09, 2016, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2016, 03:08:08 PM
Why not just name the rest of the Warrenpoint FC panel sure. ::)
Not professing to be a follower of the óle soccer but I don't think Davison every played for
Warrenpoint FC

Robbie White has never played for Warrenpoint Town as far as I am aware, neither has Alan Davidson so your point is? I named them players based on games I have watched in the League last year/this year.

Kevin Anderson is Annaclone's best player & has destroyed teams in Down by himself. A big strong athlete who was never given a chance under previous Managers.
Robbie White is the current Division 1 Footballer of the Year if I am not mistaken? Liam Bagnall and John Boyle are better footballers than current players on that Down Team.
Shaun Parr should have been brought onto the County Team (never mind panel) five or six years ago.
Alan Davidson is consistently scoring big numbers for Bredagh yet has been overlooked because he plays for a unfashionable Club at the wrong end of the County.

But hey feel free to point out why you do not think the above are not good enough to be on the current Down Team?
Kevin Anderson has not destroyed teams in Down by himself(maybe tell us which teams he did this to?) and he is certainly big but not athletic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 09, 2016, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 09, 2016, 11:49:04 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 09, 2016, 06:27:19 PM
I also think the following are more than capable of representing Down..

Michael Ireland - Longstone
Ronan Millar - Glenn
Shay Millar - Glenn
Philip Bonny - The Ford
2 Brannigans - Kilcoo
Shane McNamee - The Bridge..

Not to mention players with previous experience

Niall McParland
Niall Madine
Conor Garvey
Marty Clarke
Big Dan
Laverty..
It wasn't too long ago the Glenn posters were declaring all out allegiance to their Club and there would be no County action for any of their Club men so you may take the Millars and McParland off your list.

Yes... But again reasoning behind omissions that we won't get into... But this isn't about who is or hasn't committed,it's about players that aren't playing for the county for one reason or another and most stemming from board and management problems..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 10, 2016, 12:04:56 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 09, 2016, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 09, 2016, 11:49:04 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 09, 2016, 06:27:19 PM
I also think the following are more than capable of representing Down..

Michael Ireland - Longstone
Ronan Millar - Glenn
Shay Millar - Glenn
Philip Bonny - The Ford
2 Brannigans - Kilcoo
Shane McNamee - The Bridge..

Not to mention players with previous experience

Niall McParland
Niall Madine
Conor Garvey
Marty Clarke
Big Dan
Laverty..
It wasn't too long ago the Glenn posters were declaring all out allegiance to their Club and there would be no County action for any of their Club men so you may take the Millars and McParland off your list.

Yes... But again reasoning behind omissions that we won't get into... But this isn't about who is or hasn't committed,it's about players that aren't playing for the county for one reason or another and most stemming from board and management problems..
?
So you admit your Club is keeping potential panelists from being involved?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 10, 2016, 01:38:52 AM
Quote from: SamFever on June 10, 2016, 12:04:56 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 09, 2016, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 09, 2016, 11:49:04 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 09, 2016, 06:27:19 PM
I also think the following are more than capable of representing Down..

Michael Ireland - Longstone
Ronan Millar - Glenn
Shay Millar - Glenn
Philip Bonny - The Ford
2 Brannigans - Kilcoo
Shane McNamee - The Bridge..

Not to mention players with previous experience

Niall McParland
Niall Madine
Conor Garvey
Marty Clarke
Big Dan
Laverty..
It wasn't too long ago the Glenn posters were declaring all out allegiance to their Club and there would be no County action for any of their Club men so you may take the Millars and McParland off your list.

Yes... But again reasoning behind omissions that we won't get into... But this isn't about who is or hasn't committed,it's about players that aren't playing for the county for one reason or another and most stemming from board and management problems..
?
So you admit your Club is keeping potential panelists from being involved?

Where did I say that? You'll have to ask the individual players for their reasons,like all players who have omitted themselves.. Also how can a club stop players playing county? I'm sure it's up to each individual player..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 10, 2016, 08:33:15 AM
watched darragh cross last night, the number 9 for them dominated midfield, big strong athletic guy, caught everything. hardy I think his name is. I know its one performance but he stood out, anyone seen much of him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 10, 2016, 08:40:50 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 02, 2014, 09:08:10 PM
What Glenn have going for them is Youth. The average age if the team is 22, if they can stay together and in Div 1 for a year or 2 they are quite capable of cementing a place in Div for the foreseeable future. Also I would think it's only a matter if time before a couple of lads could get a call from the county setup. Liam Bagnall is the best player I've seen so far in Div 1 this year and without doubt scored the goal of the season on Friday night against Loughinisland. But being selfish I would prefare if they avoided a possible county call as it could be detrimental to us.
Your thinking from just over two years ago.As you said yourself then,SELFISH.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 10, 2016, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: SamFever on June 10, 2016, 08:40:50 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 02, 2014, 09:08:10 PM
What Glenn have going for them is Youth. The average age if the team is 22, if they can stay together and in Div 1 for a year or 2 they are quite capable of cementing a place in Div for the foreseeable future. Also I would think it's only a matter if time before a couple of lads could get a call from the county setup. Liam Bagnall is the best player I've seen so far in Div 1 this year and without doubt scored the goal of the season on Friday night against Loughinisland. But being selfish I would prefare if they avoided a possible county call as it could be detrimental to us.
Your thinking from just over two years ago.As you said yourself then,SELFISH.

What the hell is this a crusade? I'm sure you will also notice that you are confusing two things here  "I" being one and "the club" being another.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on June 10, 2016, 09:16:03 AM
Quote from: SamFever on June 09, 2016, 11:52:02 PM
Quote from: guevara on June 09, 2016, 06:37:27 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 09, 2016, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2016, 03:08:08 PM
Why not just name the rest of the Warrenpoint FC panel sure. ::)
Not professing to be a follower of the óle soccer but I don't think Davison every played for
Warrenpoint FC

Robbie White has never played for Warrenpoint Town as far as I am aware, neither has Alan Davidson so your point is? I named them players based on games I have watched in the League last year/this year.

Kevin Anderson is Annaclone's best player & has destroyed teams in Down by himself. A big strong athlete who was never given a chance under previous Managers.
Robbie White is the current Division 1 Footballer of the Year if I am not mistaken? Liam Bagnall and John Boyle are better footballers than current players on that Down Team.
Shaun Parr should have been brought onto the County Team (never mind panel) five or six years ago.
Alan Davidson is consistently scoring big numbers for Bredagh yet has been overlooked because he plays for a unfashionable Club at the wrong end of the County.

But hey feel free to point out why you do not think the above are not good enough to be on the current Down Team?
Kevin Anderson has not destroyed teams in Down by himself(maybe tell us which teams he did this to?) and he is certainly big but not athletic.

Ask any anyone from Rostrevor on this forum of the capabilities of Kevin Anderson. He single handedly beat Rostrevor by himself. Ask anyone involved with a Team in Div 1 or 2 in Down and they will tell you he is Annaclone's best player yet he is constantly overlooked when it comes to the County set up in favour of players like Gary & Benny McArdle.

My point is Managers/Selectors seem to stumble from Season to Season selecting the same panel of players as the year previous and don't get me started on the "Trials" fiasco each year.

The rumour that our County Secretary is now trying to block Alan Davidson playing for Antrim is laughable. You are not good enough to be selected or noticed by us but hey we will block you playing for anyone else incase it comes back to embarrass our ineptitude at a later date! What exact function do our "Selectors" fulfil?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 10, 2016, 09:19:35 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 10, 2016, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: SamFever on June 10, 2016, 08:40:50 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 02, 2014, 09:08:10 PM
What Glenn have going for them is Youth. The average age if the team is 22, if they can stay together and in Div 1 for a year or 2 they are quite capable of cementing a place in Div for the foreseeable future. Also I would think it's only a matter if time before a couple of lads could get a call from the county setup. Liam Bagnall is the best player I've seen so far in Div 1 this year and without doubt scored the goal of the season on Friday night against Loughinisland. But being selfish I would prefare if they avoided a possible county call as it could be detrimental to us.
Your thinking from just over two years ago.As you said yourself then,SELFISH.

What the hell is this a crusade? I'm sure you will also notice that you are confusing two things here  "I" being one and "the club" being another.
Not a crusade,we all would like everyone available to play for both Club and County
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 10, 2016, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 05, 2016, 07:17:34 PM
It's time for some introspection from the decision-makers in our county. Circumstances may have contrived against them here and there, but bar the 2010 "blip", we've been on a decline for 20 years. It's one thing loving your county, it's another thing entirely to not give it a chance in a life.

it's also high time our clubs stopped pretending to be bystanders in this mess. This convention we need leadership to arise from our clubs. Thereafter we need action.


So f**king sick of the shit that Down football has become.

Just reading back through here and I think it is quite unfair to label our run to the 2010 All Ireland final as a 'blip' and descriptions to that effect.
We had two very good minor teams in 2004 and 2005. With the latter winning the All Ireland. A team that got to the All Ireland U-21 final in 2005 too. We won Ulster U-21 titles in 2008 and 2009 with that 09 team getting to the All Ireland final.
We did have pedigree going in to 2010 added to this the fact that some of our 1999 All Ireland minor winners were essentially in their prime.
Looking back at the QUB, St Mary's and UUJ Sigerson teams of that era, we had an inordinate amount of starters on those teams.
Bring in to the equation the fact that we had a brilliant management team led by Wee James along with Tally, McIver and Jerome and I think our progress that year can be put more down to design than pure chance.
With the advent of the Mourne Academy we are now starting to move in the right direction. It is probably something that should have been started 5/6 years ago but at least we are beginning to make inroads in that regard.
However, the main problem still exists that a heap of the best players in our county are not playing for Down.
In the short term that is going to prevent us from making any sort of progress in Ulster or the All Ireland series.
If these players cannot be brought back into the fold then regardless of who the manager is we are not going to scale any major heights anytime soon as we simply don't have the quality coming through on the conveyor belt as witnessed by our recent woes at minor and U-21 level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on June 10, 2016, 10:12:40 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 10, 2016, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 05, 2016, 07:17:34 PM
It's time for some introspection from the decision-makers in our county. Circumstances may have contrived against them here and there, but bar the 2010 "blip", we've been on a decline for 20 years. It's one thing loving your county, it's another thing entirely to not give it a chance in a life.

it's also high time our clubs stopped pretending to be bystanders in this mess. This convention we need leadership to arise from our clubs. Thereafter we need action.


So f**king sick of the shit that Down football has become.

Just reading back through here and I think it is quite unfair to label our run to the 2010 All Ireland final as a 'blip' and descriptions to that effect.
We had two very good minor teams in 2004 and 2005. With the latter winning the All Ireland. We won Ulster U-21 titles in 2008 and 2009 with that 09 team getting to the All Ireland final.
We did have pedigree going in to 2010 added to this the fact that some of our 1999 All Ireland minor winners were essentially in their prime.
Looking back at the QUB, St Mary's and UUJ Sigerson teams of that era, we had an inordinate amount of starters on those teams.
Bring in to the equation the fact that we had a brilliant management team led by Wee James along with Tally, McIver and Jerome and I think our progress that year can be put more down to design than pure chance.
With the advent of the Mourne Academy we are now starting to move in the right direction. It is probably something that should have been started 5/6 years ago but at least we are beginning to make inroads in that regard.
However, the main problem still exists that a heap of the best players in our county are not playing for Down.
In the short term that is going to prevent us from making any sort of progress in Ulster or the All Ireland series.
If these players cannot be brought back into the fold then regardless of who the manager is we are not going to scale any major heights anytime soon as we simply don't have the quality coming through on the conveyor belt as witnessed by our recent woes at minor and U-21 level.

Did our U21s not make an All Ireland final in 2005 as well after winning Ulster the same year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 10, 2016, 10:30:35 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on June 10, 2016, 10:12:40 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on June 10, 2016, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 05, 2016, 07:17:34 PM
It's time for some introspection from the decision-makers in our county. Circumstances may have contrived against them here and there, but bar the 2010 "blip", we've been on a decline for 20 years. It's one thing loving your county, it's another thing entirely to not give it a chance in a life.

it's also high time our clubs stopped pretending to be bystanders in this mess. This convention we need leadership to arise from our clubs. Thereafter we need action.


So f**king sick of the shit that Down football has become.

Just reading back through here and I think it is quite unfair to label our run to the 2010 All Ireland final as a 'blip' and descriptions to that effect.
We had two very good minor teams in 2004 and 2005. With the latter winning the All Ireland. We won Ulster U-21 titles in 2008 and 2009 with that 09 team getting to the All Ireland final.
We did have pedigree going in to 2010 added to this the fact that some of our 1999 All Ireland minor winners were essentially in their prime.
Looking back at the QUB, St Mary's and UUJ Sigerson teams of that era, we had an inordinate amount of starters on those teams.
Bring in to the equation the fact that we had a brilliant management team led by Wee James along with Tally, McIver and Jerome and I think our progress that year can be put more down to design than pure chance.
With the advent of the Mourne Academy we are now starting to move in the right direction. It is probably something that should have been started 5/6 years ago but at least we are beginning to make inroads in that regard.
However, the main problem still exists that a heap of the best players in our county are not playing for Down.
In the short term that is going to prevent us from making any sort of progress in Ulster or the All Ireland series.
If these players cannot be brought back into the fold then regardless of who the manager is we are not going to scale any major heights anytime soon as we simply don't have the quality coming through on the conveyor belt as witnessed by our recent woes at minor and U-21 level.

Did our U21s not make an All Ireland final in 2005 as well after winning Ulster the same year?

Yes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 10, 2016, 10:46:27 AM
Selectors?
They are meant to go the length on breadth of this county selecting players to represent this county
They should also try attend as many national league games where possible if Down are not playing in conjunction
Can we safely say ours is doing that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 10, 2016, 11:02:58 AM
Quote from: SamFever on June 10, 2016, 09:19:35 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 10, 2016, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: SamFever on June 10, 2016, 08:40:50 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 02, 2014, 09:08:10 PM
What Glenn have going for them is Youth. The average age if the team is 22, if they can stay together and in Div 1 for a year or 2 they are quite capable of cementing a place in Div for the foreseeable future. Also I would think it's only a matter if time before a couple of lads could get a call from the county setup. Liam Bagnall is the best player I've seen so far in Div 1 this year and without doubt scored the goal of the season on Friday night against Loughinisland. But being selfish I would prefare if they avoided a possible county call as it could be detrimental to us.
Your thinking from just over two years ago.As you said yourself then,SELFISH.

What the hell is this a crusade? I'm sure you will also notice that you are confusing two things here  "I" being one and "the club" being another.
Not a crusade,we all would like everyone available to play for both Club and County

Exactly... If Down football was run as it should then maybe this problem would be limited as opposed to being widespread.. However it does seem that it's a problem faced across the country rather than down..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 10, 2016, 11:36:44 AM
Quote from: guevara on June 09, 2016, 06:37:27 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 09, 2016, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2016, 03:08:08 PM
Why not just name the rest of the Warrenpoint FC panel sure. ::)
Not professing to be a follower of the óle soccer but I don't think Davison every played for
Warrenpoint FC

Robbie White has never played for Warrenpoint Town as far as I am aware, neither has Alan Davidson so your point is? I named them players based on games I have watched in the League last year/this year.

Kevin Anderson is Annaclone's best player & has destroyed teams in Down by himself. A big strong athlete who was never given a chance under previous Managers - He has of course had chances before. He is though as you say a big strong athlete who maybe if managed differently could do something.
Robbie White is the current Division 1 Footballer of the Year if I am not mistaken? - Agreed, should be given a go.
Liam Bagnall (Glenn players wont play - end off) and John Boyle (he has put soccer first now for the past few years) are better footballers than current players on that Down Team.
Shaun Parr should have been brought onto the County Team (never mind panel) five or six years ago - consistently asked onto panel and wont join so its his choice.
Alan Davidson is consistently scoring big numbers for Bredagh yet has been overlooked because he plays for a unfashionable Club at the wrong end of the County. - thats totally untrue. He has been watched by county management and if you had seen him playing you would know that he isnt county material, although after Downs game at the weekend that level has dropped. He looks like a player who has only started playing Gaelic, which he has, and at his age, he would do well to bring his basic skills up to level required.

But hey feel free to point out why you do not think the above are not good enough to be on the current Down Team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on June 10, 2016, 01:22:45 PM
5-71 so far this season. Worth a look in training surely?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on June 10, 2016, 01:57:10 PM
Quote from: outinfront on June 10, 2016, 01:22:45 PM
5-71 so far this season. Worth a look in training surely?

Think he scored 8 against us this year when Bredagh beat us, all from frees. I'd say a large amount of his scoring is from frees.

Would echo what an earlier poster said, he isnt county material and from his runs and general play would know he hasn't been playing long. Don't think he would add anything that isn't already there, but would be better than some of the forwards on the panel.

As for Jody saying they should have more men on the panel, apart from Mcelroy, Bredagh don't have any standout individuals but work very well as a team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 10, 2016, 11:17:42 PM
Good win for CPN tonight away to Clonduff. Tight at the bottom now!!! Load of Point boys away to The States tomorrow for 2 Months. I think a few clubs in the same situation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 10, 2016, 11:27:47 PM
http://gaeliclife.com/2016/06/fionnuala-carr-begrudgers-taking-aim/

I see Fionnuala Carr has responded in a way to some of the posts on this board. I'd like to know who the player boasting of betting against Down was.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: one day on June 10, 2016, 11:34:36 PM
Point losing four starting players from tonight's game in Clonduff. They played well in first half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on June 11, 2016, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on June 10, 2016, 11:36:44 AM
Quote from: guevara on June 09, 2016, 06:37:27 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 09, 2016, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2016, 03:08:08 PM
Why not just name the rest of the Warrenpoint FC panel sure. ::)
Not professing to be a follower of the óle soccer but I don't think Davison every played for
Warrenpoint FC

Robbie White has never played for Warrenpoint Town as far as I am aware, neither has Alan Davidson so your point is? I named them players based on games I have watched in the League last year/this year.

Kevin Anderson is Annaclone's best player & has destroyed teams in Down by himself. A big strong athlete who was never given a chance under previous Managers - He has of course had chances before. He is though as you say a big strong athlete who maybe if managed differently could do something.
Robbie White is the current Division 1 Footballer of the Year if I am not mistaken? - Agreed, should be given a go.
Liam Bagnall (Glenn players wont play - end off) They will not join the set up to be squad players  and miss League Football for their Club and John Boyle (he has put soccer first now for the past few years) are better footballers than current players on that Down Team.
Shaun Parr should have been brought onto the County Team (never mind panel) five or six years ago - consistently asked onto panel and wont join so its his choice. Was on it a few years ago and never given a chance. Better than at least 7 or 8 of the Current Squad
Alan Davidson is consistently scoring big numbers for Bredagh yet has been overlooked because he plays for a unfashionable Club at the wrong end of the County. - thats totally untrue. He has been watched by county management and if you had seen him playing you would know that he isnt county material, although after Downs game at the weekend that level has dropped. He looks like a player who has only started playing Gaelic, which he has, and at his age, he would do well to bring his basic skills up to level required. Completely Incorrect. He played underage for Warrenpoint up to Minor. His move to Bredagh was a result of him relocating to Belfast. If this is the case then why is our County Secretary rumoured to be blocking him lining out for Antrim?

But hey feel free to point out why you do not think the above are not good enough to be on the current Down Team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 11, 2016, 01:26:06 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 10, 2016, 11:17:42 PM
Good win for CPN tonight away to Clonduff. Tight at the bottom now!!! Load of Point boys away to The States tomorrow for 2 Months. I think a few clubs in the same situation
think they should have good enough squad to survive
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 11, 2016, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 10, 2016, 11:27:47 PM
http://gaeliclife.com/2016/06/fionnuala-carr-begrudgers-taking-aim/

I see Fionnuala Carr has responded in a way to some of the posts on this board. I'd like to know who the player boasting of betting against Down was.
spot on from fionnuala, cant argue with any of that. a certain ex-player aussie rules player (not the one that was in the studio last week) was boasting about his winnings betting against down. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 11, 2016, 07:50:11 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 11, 2016, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 10, 2016, 11:27:47 PM
http://gaeliclife.com/2016/06/fionnuala-carr-begrudgers-taking-aim/

I see Fionnuala Carr has responded in a way to some of the posts on this board. I'd like to know who the player boasting of betting against Down was.
spot on from fionnuala, cant argue with any of that. a certain ex-player aussie rules player (not the one that was in the studio last week) was boasting about his winnings betting against down.
The States will do nothing to improve him either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 11, 2016, 08:15:16 PM
If that's true he should never play for Down again.
In our car for Clones there was a lad who knows his GAA and knows his odds; on the way down,he quoted us the best bet was Monaghan to win by 9 points or more at 4/1. He's currently unemployed and knew that £50 on that would help him out over the summer, but he said that as a Downman he could not and would not ever back against them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 11, 2016, 08:20:16 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 11, 2016, 08:15:16 PM
If that's true he should never play for Down again.
In our car for Clones there was a lad who knows his GAA and knows his odds; on the way down,he quoted us the best bet was Monaghan to win by 9 points or more at 4/1. He's currently unemployed and knew that £50 on that would help him out over the summer, but he said that as a Downman he could not and would not ever back against them.

Honestly, more fool him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 11, 2016, 08:25:53 PM
Totally.
it was a sure thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redzone on June 11, 2016, 08:59:09 PM
Who in gods name is finonula Carr
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 11, 2016, 09:04:10 PM
Fionnuala Carr is a fine footballer and camog - for club, county and province. She has a brother in the Down team and even you, redzone, may have heard of her father. You might also be unaware that the Carrs are fairly prominent in Down GAA circles http://gaaboard.com/board/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif
As for BT and thewobbler- principle is more important than money in my book
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 11, 2016, 09:43:08 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 11, 2016, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 10, 2016, 11:27:47 PM
http://gaeliclife.com/2016/06/fionnuala-carr-begrudgers-taking-aim/

I see Fionnuala Carr has responded in a way to some of the posts on this board. I'd like to know who the player boasting of betting against Down was.
spot on from fionnuala, cant argue with any of that. a certain ex-player aussie rules player (not the one that was in the studio last week) was boasting about his winnings betting against down.

The man craves the attention.


As regards betting against Down, backing the opposition ruins the game for me, especially if you have a decent amount on it. You're a loser no matter which team succeeds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 12, 2016, 05:12:53 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 11, 2016, 08:15:16 PM
If that's true he should never play for Down again.
In our car for Clones there was a lad who knows his GAA and knows his odds; on the way down,he quoted us the best bet was Monaghan to win by 9 points or more at 4/1. He's currently unemployed and knew that £50 on that would help him out over the summer, but he said that as a Downman he could not and would not ever back against them.
US based for a few weeks now and this whole gambling thing is systematic of how are youth are now
programmed.They really don't give sh-t about family,tradition or morals anymore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 12, 2016, 10:41:22 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 12, 2016, 05:12:53 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 11, 2016, 08:15:16 PM
If that's true he should never play for Down again.
In our car for Clones there was a lad who knows his GAA and knows his odds; on the way down,he quoted us the best bet was Monaghan to win by 9 points or more at 4/1. He's currently unemployed and knew that £50 on that would help him out over the summer, but he said that as a Downman he could not and would not ever back against them.
US based for a few weeks now and this whole gambling thing is systematic of how are youth are now
programmed.They really don't give sh-t about family,tradition or morals anymore.

I think that's a fairly sweeping statement, admittedly with some basis in truth, but you can't tar everyone with the same brush. We went into the bookies in Clones but the only bets placed were on Down to win, even though everyone placing them knew they were giving their money away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 12, 2016, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 12, 2016, 10:41:22 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 12, 2016, 05:12:53 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 11, 2016, 08:15:16 PM
If that's true he should never play for Down again.
In our car for Clones there was a lad who knows his GAA and knows his odds; on the way down,he quoted us the best bet was Monaghan to win by 9 points or more at 4/1. He's currently unemployed and knew that £50 on that would help him out over the summer, but he said that as a Downman he could not and would not ever back against them.
US based for a few weeks now and this whole gambling thing is systematic of how are youth are now
programmed.They really don't give sh-t about family,tradition or morals anymore.

I think that's a fairly sweeping statement, admittedly with some basis in truth, but you can't tar everyone with the same brush. We went into the bookies in Clones but the only bets placed were on Down to win, even though everyone placing them knew they were giving their money away.


In all seriousness, why not give your money to a good cause if you're just giving it away?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 12, 2016, 12:14:00 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2016, 11:12:29 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 12, 2016, 10:41:22 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 12, 2016, 05:12:53 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 11, 2016, 08:15:16 PM
If that's true he should never play for Down again.
In our car for Clones there was a lad who knows his GAA and knows his odds; on the way down,he quoted us the best bet was Monaghan to win by 9 points or more at 4/1. He's currently unemployed and knew that £50 on that would help him out over the summer, but he said that as a Downman he could not and would not ever back against them.
US based for a few weeks now and this whole gambling thing is systematic of how are youth are now
programmed.They really don't give sh-t about family,tradition or morals anymore.

I think that's a fairly sweeping statement, admittedly with some basis in truth, but you can't tar everyone with the same brush. We went into the bookies in Clones but the only bets placed were on Down to win, even though everyone placing them knew they were giving their money away.


In all seriousness, why not give your money to a good cause if you're just giving it away?

I'm not a betting man but I know there's a rush associated with it, even for small amounts of money.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 12, 2016, 01:47:54 PM
Spillane saying that the Down team were no fit last weekend?
Can't agree with him on this 1
They were training for 7 months so can't be what was wrong with us last weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 12, 2016, 03:00:42 PM
eh we were shite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnny McCumiskey on June 12, 2016, 06:57:06 PM
There is a lot of criticism within Down football blaming everyone from the county secretary to the bus driver - some of this is justified and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

This September I will attend my 40th All Ireland in a row plus the '73 and '68 finals plus numerous hurling finals - I have seen a lot of great players over the years & over this time there has been a massive change in the standard of both football and players.

In years gone by the lifestyle of players was different to the present, take for instance Tom O'Hare the best left corner back I have witnessed playing - he was a labourer attending brickys and plasterer - carrying out his gym work during the day, were he was fit to stand beside an empty 40 gallon drum and jump in and out several times, an act I have not witnessed since.

Take another player Paddy Doherty the best left half forward I have seen, a bricky out on site 5 or 6 days a week.  He was as dangerous 40 yards out with his back to the goals, as most of todays players are on the 14 yard line facing the goals.

A lot of todays players are now attending the gym, is it to improve their performance on the field or to improve their appearance among their social circle?

I just wonder if all the players that are not making themselves available for the county, if we had a chance of winning an Ulster title would they make themselves available?

Maybe one of the problems in todays game is there is too much underage football too young.  By the time the players turn 18 they have had a sickener of our great game!!  At one club within our county the under 8 teams parents were sent a text message from their manager detailing what they were to eat, what they were to drink and at what time they should be going to bed!!

Is part of the problem the under age coaching methods?  Cause many of these coaches will tell you how many levels of coaching they have but I have never heard of anyone not pass these coaching courses.

Maybe the clubs should change their juvenile awards  - no winner medals, for medals are too easily got. 

If they want to improve the standard of skills within the game maybe they should award players at the end of each game for some of the following abilities e.g. the best / most improved catcher, the best / most improved two footed player, the player who caught the most ball, the player that blocked the most balls, the best passer, the players who best listen to instructions from management, the best leader on the field.
 
A new rule should be introduced at underage level that they are only allowed a toe tap & a bounce and this would encourage them to play with their head up - an ability lacking at all levels.

I have one final point about the state of Down football, from '09 can anyone name a good minor player, never mind a good minor team?

Could this be one of the reasons we are not producing them at senior level?

P.S. It is Tom O'Hare senior I have refered to not Thomas junior.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 12, 2016, 07:09:42 PM
Here here johnny in response to the first part of your comments. However as for not having a good minor since 2009 ?????? I think you will get a load of names thT old be classed as good minors
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnny McCumiskey on June 12, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 12, 2016, 07:09:42 PM
Here here johnny in response to the first part of your comments. However as for not having a good minor since 2009 ?????? I think you will get a load of names thT old be classed as good minors

Maybe so Leftmidfield, but where are all of these great players today, does it go back to what I say there is too much underage football & too much emphasis on winning at underage?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 12, 2016, 07:32:26 PM
Welcome aboard Johny Mc  :). I disagree with your point about too much underage football though. We have an  all county league with only 9 games. Surely there should be more games at this level. The exam break needs to be done away with and u16 and minor games played at the weekend to ensure a consistent level of football throughout the year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 12, 2016, 07:40:45 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 12, 2016, 07:32:26 PM
Welcome aboard Johny Mc  :). I disagree with your point about too much underage football though. We have an  all county league with only 9 games. Surely there should be more games at this level. The exam break needs to be done away with and u16 and minor games played at the weekend to ensure a consistent level of football throughout the year.


Doing away with the exam break is mental - games every second or third weekend possibly, but not no exam break at all. The players need that time to concentrate on their futures and not on an underage league.

As regards Johny's original point, are U8/10/12 not restricted to one solo and once bounce anyway?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on June 12, 2016, 07:46:20 PM
With a match at the weekend and one training session for an hour during the week is hardly asking too much from young lads. The exercise would do them the world of good .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 12, 2016, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: T O Hare on June 12, 2016, 07:46:20 PM
With a match at the weekend and one training session for an hour during the week is hardly asking too much from young lads. The exercise would do them the world of good .

If you think that a manager would let the team away with one hour on a Wednesday night with the league in full swing, you mustn't be involved in underage teams at all. I'm not that far gone from underage football, and although I was lucky enough to still be able to train with no impact (or a positive impact), plenty of my friends weren't and needed that gap. Even with no games for weeks, teams trained 3 times a week. It doesn't really matter anyway, Doen's underage performance over the last number of years has nothing to do with an exam break in the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnny McCumiskey on June 12, 2016, 08:19:22 PM
Thomas when I refer to underage, I am emphasising u8/10/12 and the number of tournaments played throughout the session.  Also u12/14/16 & minors are training and playing for schools and clubs.  With all this training & playing I can't see were we are benefitting at senior level with all this underage participation. 

It is my opinion that when we were only playing u16 football, we were producting much better quality footballers but that is only my opinion!

Sure it has got now that you would get a trophy for being the best supporter in some clubs!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on June 12, 2016, 10:21:58 PM
Johnny, you are 100% right. Far too much emphasis on juvenile football, by the time boys are 18 they have have had 10 years of training 3/4/5 nights a week, playing in most cases for 2 teams ie U12/U14 U14/U16 or U16/minor, is it any wonder at 18 they are fed up and walk away. As I've stated before club coaches should concentrate on the skills of the game and make boys good footballers first and foremost and not to stifle this skill with over complicated tactics
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 12, 2016, 11:06:10 PM
Johny that's the point I was trying to make in previous posts
Lads playing under 14-16 club
Under 14 development etc
Is this not making players walk away as they are involved in to many teams
Ograandun you are a good poster but I have to disagree with you abou training the lads and no football for 3 weeks
Kids get bored unless playing matches
In the point you get 2 soccer matches a week
We get 1 every 4/5 weeks
4 week Break in minor football?
No wonder we can't get a minor win Johny
Let young lads play 30 matches a year and then we woukd start producing good players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 12, 2016, 11:34:40 PM
30 matches a year? Take a good minor player, who's playing MacRory or equivalent plus county football. 30 club matches, minimum 4/5 MacRory matches plus a couple of challenge games, 2-4 games in Ulster Minor League, another 3/4 challenge matches, then at least one game in Ulster MFC. Throw in 5 or 6 games (maybe more) for a senior or reserve team and that's around 45 games in a year. Then we can add in another 3 at least for the club U21s.

Is it any wonder players are burning out or walking away? The above player would then be training 2x a week with his club, 2x a week with the school and when it's over, another 2x a week with the county. Some senior teams might want him to train with them too.

When I was playing minor, I think we had about 20 competitive games over the season plus another 6 or 7 challenge matches. That was perfect, had pre-season, had a good run of league games then a break in the middle (which some boys genuinely needed to study - what if you're looking to do medicine and have 5 exams in one week?). Then back to finish the league, few weeks break then championship for the next two months. During the exam break, you havechallenge games and anyone who wants football plays for one of the adult teams - and there's no pressure about missing a game or training with an exam the next day. I think getting rid of the exam break would be a mistake, it's not like lads don't look at a football for 6 weeks, there's just no competitive minor or U16 games.

Some very good underage players in this county disappear because of chronic injuries that playing extra games would not be helping, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 13, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
I wouldn't disagree or agree with any of what's being discussed here but it's this type of discussion that should be taking place at Club and County level to try and put our finger on where it  is all going wrong.Somewhere in it all there is reasons and if they can be found then maybe the solution could be found also.
   The problem is that the people up the food chain think that their and the usual Down way is suffice but not nowadays.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 13, 2016, 08:55:31 AM
Jesus the grammar in here is atrocious.
The schools have a lot more to answer for than just football-related issues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 13, 2016, 09:24:30 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 13, 2016, 08:55:31 AM
Jesus the grammar in here is atrocious.
The schools have a lot more to answer for than just football-related issues.
your write in wot u sey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 13, 2016, 09:27:01 AM
Ur 100% rite
This needs 2 stop
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 13, 2016, 09:22:28 PM
 The soccer has kept everyone away from the board. Tut Tut.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 13, 2016, 10:22:24 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 13, 2016, 09:22:28 PM
The soccer has kept everyone away from the board. Tut Tut.

The grammar is slipping as posters rush their posts during the breaks in play for "injuries".
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on June 14, 2016, 10:02:16 AM
Are this week's games starred?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 14, 2016, 10:18:15 PM
Quote from: interested on June 14, 2016, 10:02:16 AM
Are this week's games starred?
Don't think so
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on June 14, 2016, 10:56:04 PM
See gaelic life are reporting Alan Davidson called into the panel, along with few others. Any word on who else has been brought in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 14, 2016, 11:32:19 PM
We have major problems but they all can be fixed but it will take a strong leader who can stand up to our current county secretary,we need someone who can literally join up the dots between development squads , school programmes, county coaches and underage club coaches, and it would also help if we could establish a central location where we could co ordinate this from, not a centre of excellence because we don't have the funds for the latter, but a location where we can train underage squads regardless of weather conditions and would not be reliant on individual clubs, there is such a place and it has been used before and has room for potential expansion, but to get this expansion would require a huge commitment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 14, 2016, 11:35:39 PM
Alan Davidson played in an in house match and by all accounts done very well scoring 2. 04 , we might have a player, maybe just maybe
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 15, 2016, 08:09:43 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 14, 2016, 11:32:19 PM
We have major problems but they all can be fixed but it will take a strong leader who can stand up to our current county secretary,we need someone who can literally join up the dots between development squads , school programmes, county coaches and underage club coaches, and it would also help if we could establish a central location where we could co ordinate this from, not a centre of excellence because we don't have the funds for the latter, but a location where we can train underage squads regardless of weather conditions and would not be reliant on individual clubs, there is such a place and it has been used before and has room for potential expansion, but to get this expansion would require a huge commitment.
So are you just putting B'kinlar out of Down Football tp use their pitch?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 15, 2016, 09:55:18 AM
Does anyone else think the circus surrounding Davidson is an embarrassment or is it just me?
10 days before our championship game we are bringing in 5 new players and one that had joined Antrim last week until Down blocked the moved now we have brought him in
Do the 5 lads that have been brought in just now slot into the system that we have been apparently working on so much since the league ended?This Davison story now is going to hit the papers for the next few days
When have you ever seen Mickey Harte bringing in 5 new players after a defeat?Never
Things just seem to be done on a week to week basis with Down whereas all the big teams have a plan set in stone from Jan 1st
I hope the Davidson move is worth it for Eamons sake and that he can hit his 2-4 against Longford and not in a game behind closed doors
I hope the 5 new lads brought in prove me wrong
Opinions???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 15, 2016, 10:29:06 AM
who are the 5 additions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 15, 2016, 10:30:08 AM
I think you're right about bringing players in and having to adapt to the system in two weeks but I think something needed to be done after the Monaghan game. Sure look at the last few pages of posts, people were crying out for other players to be brought in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 15, 2016, 10:34:21 AM
Fair point
Have not heard who the 5 lads are only know of Davidson?
Anyone know ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 15, 2016, 11:06:06 AM
Passing against the wind. If these guys were not deemed good enough earlier then why now all of  a sudden.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 15, 2016, 11:18:52 AM
if 4 quit panel then surely 4 need brought in . its a no brainer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 15, 2016, 11:22:23 AM
Madine Mooney McConville Cunningham all left a few months ago and no replacements so what's the difference now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 15, 2016, 11:42:42 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 15, 2016, 11:06:06 AM
Passing against the wind. If these guys were not deemed good enough earlier then why now all of  a sudden.
Is that passing wind or pissing against the wind?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 15, 2016, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 15, 2016, 09:55:18 AM
Does anyone else think the circus surrounding Davidson is an embarrassment or is it just me?
10 days before our championship game we are bringing in 5 new players and one that had joined Antrim last week until Down blocked the moved now we have brought him in
Do the 5 lads that have been brought in just now slot into the system that we have been apparently working on so much since the league ended?This Davison story now is going to hit the papers for the next few days
When have you ever seen Mickey Harte bringing in 5 new players after a defeat?Never
Things just seem to be done on a week to week basis with Down whereas all the big teams have a plan set in stone from Jan 1st
I hope the Davidson move is worth it for Eamons sake and that he can hit his 2-4 against Longford and not in a game behind closed doors
I hope the 5 new lads brought in prove me wrong
Opinions???

It's not really a circus, he is a player in form for his club and so has been given the chance to train with the County. The media, twitter and GAABoard make it more of a 'circus' than it really is. It's a straightforward issue. The majority of people, as normal, go on hearsay and don't really know what has happened long term with players - i.e. people speculate all year that Marty Clarke 'opted out' but then he turns round and says he wasn't asked. Few knew that. People make more out of situations than is needed as they don't know the full story.

Anyway, there were crys for 'better' players etc to be brought in to the squad after Monaghan game, now we have at least one addition which is positive. It's not easy for the management and team, it was always going to be a tough year, but certainly isn't made any easier by fickle fans.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 15, 2016, 01:33:59 PM
So you don't think it's a circus that the player came out in the Irish News only last week saying he would have loved a game for Down and then saying and I quote 'I can't wait to make my debut for Antrim and love my first training with the lads'
2 days later the county secretary blocks any such move
2 days on he is now involved and scored 2-4 in a behind the scenes game and is now likely to start against Longford next week
Now are you trying to say that it wasn't a circus
If he had not of joined the Antrim squad would we even have tried him out???
I hope he proves me wrong but the point in trying to make was this man probably should have been in 6 months ago
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 15, 2016, 04:49:34 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 15, 2016, 01:33:59 PM
So you don't think it's a circus that the player came out in the Irish News only last week saying he would have loved a game for Down and then saying and I quote 'I can't wait to make my debut for Antrim and love my first training with the lads'
2 days later the county secretary blocks any such move
2 days on he is now involved and scored 2-4 in a behind the scenes game and is now likely to start against Longford next week
Now are you trying to say that it wasn't a circus
If he had not of joined the Antrim squad would we even have tried him out???
I hope he proves me wrong but the point in trying to make was this man probably should have been in 6 months ago
Smurfy,your inside man in the camp must now have his nose out of joint now that there a few more players brought into the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 15, 2016, 06:29:18 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 15, 2016, 01:33:59 PM
So you don't think it's a circus that the player came out in the Irish News only last week saying he would have loved a game for Down and then saying and I quote 'I can't wait to make my debut for Antrim and love my first training with the lads'
2 days later the county secretary blocks any such move
2 days on he is now involved and scored 2-4 in a behind the scenes game and is now likely to start against Longford next week
Now are you trying to say that it wasn't a circus
If he had not of joined the Antrim squad would we even have tried him out???
I hope he proves me wrong but the point in trying to make was this man probably should have been in 6 months ago

No I don't, I think I made that clear in my previous post. Let him at it. Let the papers and social media and fickle fans make what they want of it. If it improves the team, good on them. And on the contrary if he had gone and played for Antrim no doubt there would have been a string of 'why didn't we do anything to keep him' type comments.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 15, 2016, 07:07:40 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 15, 2016, 11:42:42 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 15, 2016, 11:06:06 AM
Passing against the wind. If these guys were not deemed good enough earlier then why now all of  a sudden.
Is that passing wind or pissing against the wind?
Ha. Was rushing for a flight. Pissing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 15, 2016, 11:46:26 PM
Sam it's probably too far for you to travel and I am not proposing putting anyone out of football, but it would take a few south down guys willing to travel to training in much the same way we in east down have done for decades, Ballykinlar should be upgraded , expanded and used to develope our teams, but it will not happen because of its location.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on June 16, 2016, 07:44:53 AM
Centre of Excellence in Castlewellan- problem solved!! ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 16, 2016, 09:46:18 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 15, 2016, 11:46:26 PM
Sam it's probably too far for you to travel and I am not proposing putting anyone out of football, but it would take a few south down guys willing to travel to training in much the same way we in east down have done for decades, Ballykinlar should be upgraded , expanded and used to develope our teams, but it will not happen because of its location.


And rightly so, Ballykinlar is in a shocking location to get to from South Down. If a centre of excellence or something similar was ever to be built, it should be more or less equidistant for the majority of players. Castlewellan is probably the best bet in this regards, as Speculative says.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 16, 2016, 09:47:00 AM
Has Martin Clarke been asked into the squad? Why can't they just name the players added to the squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 16, 2016, 10:04:11 AM
Quote from: SamFever on June 16, 2016, 08:12:15 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 15, 2016, 11:46:26 PM
Sam it's probably too far for you to travel and I am not proposing putting anyone out of football, but it would take a few south down guys willing to travel to training in much the same way we in east down have done for decades, Ballykinlar should be upgraded , expanded and used to develope our teams, but it will not happen because of its location.
I would have no need to be travelling to BK,all I had asked was where or what happens to BK as a Club if this were to happen.
  Anyone know who the new additions are to the panel apart from Davison?
Arguing the unsuitability of ballykinlar's location is one thing,  but arguing that the club would suffer doesnt make sense. If Ballykinlar Was to be refurbished say with changing room upgrade and floodlights, and perhaps an additional pitch this would breathe life into the club not only in terms of facilities but in terms of attractiveness/marketing in their local community. The best location for county training is an old chestnut but any decision on county training venue/s needs to determined taking a lot of factors into consideration, not least current and future demographics and financial sustainability. Personally my thoughts around a centre of excellence have changed somewhat having seen the likes of Garvaghy. The key things for me is optimal use of resources both in terms of capital expense and future running costs, and most importantly player convenience. Any future facilities should also benefit clubs , who then have a buy-in. In many ways having a facility attached to schools and clubs, may be more beneficial long term.
Garvaghey for example has been described as a sprawling vanity project, underused for much of the year & inaccessible to several Tyrone clubs. As it is a stand alone facility there are issues around maintenance and staffing etc.
We are actually now blessed with access to several excellent floodlit grass venues, Belfast , and south Down for example , and in many respects cooperation with schools/clubs in providing floodlighting and/or quality changing rooms at existing grass venues , would be a far better model in terms of accessibility and sustainability.
A centre of excellence is likely to be controversial, costly and therefore likely to be unchievable for several years. Considerations such as several senior players likely to working/living in Dublin in the future , also makes the likes of Castlewellan or Ballykinlar less attractive. Do we want a vanity project  or do we actually want something that genuinely makes it more convenient for players, hopefully leaving them fresher .
Floodlighting the grass pitches at the Redhigh and exploring the use of st malachys castlewellan at the weekends are 2 simple changes, and allied to the existing use of Queens and Newry venues , would be achievable, and represent great added value for surrounding clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 16, 2016, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 16, 2016, 10:04:11 AM
Quote from: SamFever on June 16, 2016, 08:12:15 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 15, 2016, 11:46:26 PM
Sam it's probably too far for you to travel and I am not proposing putting anyone out of football, but it would take a few south down guys willing to travel to training in much the same way we in east down have done for decades, Ballykinlar should be upgraded , expanded and used to develope our teams, but it will not happen because of its location.
I would have no need to be travelling to BK,all I had asked was where or what happens to BK as a Club if this were to happen.
  Anyone know who the new additions are to the panel apart from Davison?
Arguing the unsuitability of ballykinlar's location is one thing,  but arguing that the club would suffer doesnt make sense. If Ballykinlar Was to be refurbished say with changing room upgrade and floodlights, and perhaps an additional pitch this would breathe life into the club not only in terms of facilities but in terms of attractiveness/marketing in their local community. The best location for county training is an old chestnut but any decision on county training venue/s needs to determined taking a lot of factors into consideration, not least current and future demographics and financial sustainability. Personally my thoughts around a centre of excellence have changed somewhat having seen the likes of Garvaghy. The key things for me is optimal use of resources both in terms of capital expense and future running costs, and most importantly player convenience. Any future facilities should also benefit clubs , who then have a buy-in. In many ways having a facility attached to schools and clubs, may be more beneficial long term.
Garvaghey for example has been described as a sprawling vanity project, underused for much of the year & inaccessible to several Tyrone clubs. As it is a stand alone facility there are issues around maintenance and staffing etc.
We are actually now blessed with access to several excellent floodlit grass venues, Belfast , and south Down for example , and in many respects cooperation with schools/clubs in providing floodlighting and/or quality changing rooms at existing grass venues , would be a far better model in terms of accessibility and sustainability.
A centre of excellence is likely to be controversial, costly and therefore likely to be unchievable for several years. Considerations such as several senior players likely to working/living in Dublin in the future , also makes the likes of Castlewellan or Ballykinlar less attractive. Do we want a vanity project  or do we actually want something that genuinely makes it more convenient for players, hopefully leaving them fresher .
Floodlighting the grass pitches at the Redhigh and exploring the use of st malachys castlewellan at the weekends are 2 simple changes, and allied to the existing use of Queens and Newry venues , would be achievable, and represent great added value for surrounding clubs.

Now we have someone who is starting to think strategically and provide a thought out opinion on something.  Others may argue that Garvaghy has secured Tyrones future as a top 6 team for the foreseeable future.  At present though, we have no where near the appetite or the finances for something like that so we need an alternative.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 16, 2016, 02:06:37 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on June 16, 2016, 11:24:17 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 16, 2016, 10:04:11 AM
Quote from: SamFever on June 16, 2016, 08:12:15 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 15, 2016, 11:46:26 PM
Sam it's probably too far for you to travel and I am not proposing putting anyone out of football, but it would take a few south down guys willing to travel to training in much the same way we in east down have done for decades, Ballykinlar should be upgraded , expanded and used to develope our teams, but it will not happen because of its location.
I would have no need to be travelling to BK,all I had asked was where or what happens to BK as a Club if this were to happen.
  Anyone know who the new additions are to the panel apart from Davison?
Arguing the unsuitability of ballykinlar's location is one thing,  but arguing that the club would suffer doesnt make sense. If Ballykinlar Was to be refurbished say with changing room upgrade and floodlights, and perhaps an additional pitch this would breathe life into the club not only in terms of facilities but in terms of attractiveness/marketing in their local community. The best location for county training is an old chestnut but any decision on county training venue/s needs to determined taking a lot of factors into consideration, not least current and future demographics and financial sustainability. Personally my thoughts around a centre of excellence have changed somewhat having seen the likes of Garvaghy. The key things for me is optimal use of resources both in terms of capital expense and future running costs, and most importantly player convenience. Any future facilities should also benefit clubs , who then have a buy-in. In many ways having a facility attached to schools and clubs, may be more beneficial long term.
Garvaghey for example has been described as a sprawling vanity project, underused for much of the year & inaccessible to several Tyrone clubs. As it is a stand alone facility there are issues around maintenance and staffing etc.
We are actually now blessed with access to several excellent floodlit grass venues, Belfast , and south Down for example , and in many respects cooperation with schools/clubs in providing floodlighting and/or quality changing rooms at existing grass venues , would be a far better model in terms of accessibility and sustainability.
A centre of excellence is likely to be controversial, costly and therefore likely to be unchievable for several years. Considerations such as several senior players likely to working/living in Dublin in the future , also makes the likes of Castlewellan or Ballykinlar less attractive. Do we want a vanity project  or do we actually want something that genuinely makes it more convenient for players, hopefully leaving them fresher .
Floodlighting the grass pitches at the Redhigh and exploring the use of st malachys castlewellan at the weekends are 2 simple changes, and allied to the existing use of Queens and Newry venues , would be achievable, and represent great added value for surrounding clubs.

Now we have someone who is starting to think strategically and provide a thought out opinion on something.  Others may argue that Garvaghy has secured Tyrones future as a top 6 team for the foreseeable future.  At present though, we have no where near the appetite or the finances for something like that so we need an alternative.
The same way as Owenbeg has improved Derry's stock in the Gaa world.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 16, 2016, 03:07:37 PM
Exactly.
And Tyrone won their 3 all-Ireland's pre-garvaghy.
Is it a case of, Be careful what we wish for?
There appears to be no correlation between centres of excellence and playing success.
The fact that we have been one of the last counties to have a centre , presents us with a challenge to determine what is our best option, what is the best use of resources to Enjoy sustainable playing success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 16, 2016, 03:47:31 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 16, 2016, 03:07:37 PM
Exactly.
And Tyrone won their 3 all-Ireland's pre-garvaghy.
Is it a case of, Be careful what we wish for?
There appears to be no correlation between centres of excellence and playing success.
The fact that we have been one of the last counties to have a centre , presents us with a challenge to determine what is our best option, what is the best use of resources to Enjoy sustainable playing success.
i was being sarcastic about Derry's performances since they acquired Owenbeg. Schools and Club pitches with floodlights are the way forward with financial input from the County.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on June 16, 2016, 04:20:05 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 16, 2016, 03:47:31 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 16, 2016, 03:07:37 PM
Exactly.
And Tyrone won their 3 all-Ireland's pre-garvaghy.
Is it a case of, Be careful what we wish for?
There appears to be no correlation between centres of excellence and playing success.
The fact that we have been one of the last counties to have a centre , presents us with a challenge to determine what is our best option, what is the best use of resources to Enjoy sustainable playing success.
i was being sarcastic about Derry's performances since they acquired Owenbeg. Schools and Club pitches with floodlights are the way forward with financial input from the County.

I would agree that providing the clubs and schools with a higher standard of facilities will help to mould better juvenile teams and should help in sustaining interest levels post Minor grade. If clubs and the schools all over the county (as opposed to one centre) all have good quality facilities, and they receive help in attaining these facilities from the county board then they in turn should provide these to the county teams for training and development.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 16, 2016, 07:49:49 PM
The assumption i am looking to put Ballykinlar Gac out of business is totally wrong, firstly the upgrading of their facilities would them help re emerge . and the county teams seeking to train collectively would have a centre which they could consider  home, we should be using club facilities within the county but upgrading lights in the Abbey is not the way forward,ask anyone who has played football and they will tell you it is better to train on grass rather than a G 3 or 4 pitch, best surface a sandy based one, and a surface which stands up to our indifferent climate --  Ballykinlar.
We missed out on the school in Castlewellan,we made a pigs arse out of Burrenbridge, im not looking for a Garvaghy or Owenbeg , we dont have the funds, but we need a facility that is available all year round , somewhere that wont require hundreds of thousands to develop --- with the blessing of Ballykinlar Gac their facilities might be the answer, but obviously  they have to be asked, has anyone got any alternatives.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 16, 2016, 07:57:23 PM
What's the Bann road facilities like in Castlewellan, could the county board come to an agreement there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on June 16, 2016, 09:46:49 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 16, 2016, 07:49:49 PM
The assumption i am looking to put Ballykinlar Gac out of business is totally wrong, firstly the upgrading of their facilities would them help re emerge . and the county teams seeking to train collectively would have a centre which they could consider  home, we should be using club facilities within the county but upgrading lights in the Abbey is not the way forward,ask anyone who has played football and they will tell you it is better to train on grass rather than a G 3 or 4 pitch, best surface a sandy based one, and a surface which stands up to our indifferent climate --  Ballykinlar.
We missed out on the school in Castlewellan,we made a pigs arse out of Burrenbridge, im not looking for a Garvaghy or Owenbeg , we dont have the funds, but we need a facility that is available all year round , somewhere that wont require hundreds of thousands to develop --- with the blessing of Ballykinlar Gac their facilities might be the answer, but obviously  they have to be asked, has anyone got any alternatives.
Your thoughts on all of this must have got the blessing of big wigs around the army base country😀😀
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 16, 2016, 09:57:32 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 16, 2016, 08:12:15 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 15, 2016, 11:46:26 PM
Sam it's probably too far for you to travel and I am not proposing putting anyone out of football, but it would take a few south down guys willing to travel to training in much the same way we in east down have done for decades, Ballykinlar should be upgraded , expanded and used to develope our teams, but it will not happen because of its location.
I would have no need to be travelling to BK,all I had asked was where or what happens to BK as a Club if this were to happen.
  Anyone know who the new additions are to the panel apart from Davison?

Heard Mason is in and possibly another O'Hagan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on June 16, 2016, 10:13:58 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 16, 2016, 09:57:32 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 16, 2016, 08:12:15 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 15, 2016, 11:46:26 PM
Sam it's probably too far for you to travel and I am not proposing putting anyone out of football, but it would take a few south down guys willing to travel to training in much the same way we in east down have done for decades, Ballykinlar should be upgraded , expanded and used to develope our teams, but it will not happen because of its location.
I would have no need to be travelling to BK,all I had asked was where or what happens to BK as a Club if this were to happen.
  Anyone know who the new additions are to the panel apart from Davison?

Heard Mason is in and possibly another O'Hagan?
Another brother from Clonduff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 16, 2016, 11:20:25 PM
Ah sure Imagine we had a plan to actually do something about the lack of county training facilities, we could put lights around the Red High, great , when it rains , the grass pitches are unplayable and the school authorities won't let you cut up the pitches , oh and it's 90 pds per hour for hire, let's go to the Newry area, sorry can't play in the rain, ah but there is the Bann Rd Castlewellan, sorry it's not playable in the rain, buts there's G3 pitches galore, ah but it's on record that certain injuries are related to training on that type of surface, so where do we go from here, smart remarks about the location of Ballykinlar isn't helpful, I for one , if given the chance would buy back every bit of land which was historically taken from our ancestors , so trotting out the same old rhetoric is at best childest at worst devicive, we don't have pots of money and it wouldn't take a load of money to upgrade Ballykinlar s one pitch. One last point to note , the same facility , was in use when every other grass pitch in the county was unplayable,if you doubt my word ask the county managers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on June 17, 2016, 12:08:49 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 16, 2016, 11:20:25 PM
Ah sure Imagine we had a plan to actually do something about the lack of county training facilities, we could put lights around the Red High, great , when it rains , the grass pitches are unplayable and the school authorities won't let you cut up the pitches , oh and it's 90 pds per hour for hire, let's go to the Newry area, sorry can't play in the rain, ah but there is the Bann Rd Castlewellan, sorry it's not playable in the rain, buts there's G3 pitches galore, ah but it's on record that certain injuries are related to training on that type of surface, so where do we go from here, smart remarks about the location of Ballykinlar isn't helpful, I for one , if given the chance would buy back every bit of land which was historically taken from our ancestors , so trotting out the same old rhetoric is at best childest at worst devicive, we don't have pots of money and it wouldn't take a load of money to upgrade Ballykinlar s one pitch. One last point to note , the same facility , was in use when every other grass pitch in the county was unplayable,if you doubt my word ask the county managers.
Cut the crap,I agree with you on all points.Coming from a small Club myself I just would be concerned that it would affect Ballykinlar adversely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on June 17, 2016, 07:54:22 AM
Quote from: imagine on June 16, 2016, 10:13:58 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 16, 2016, 09:57:32 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 16, 2016, 08:12:15 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 15, 2016, 11:46:26 PM
Sam it's probably too far for you to travel and I am not proposing putting anyone out of football, but it would take a few south down guys willing to travel to training in much the same way we in east down have done for decades, Ballykinlar should be upgraded , expanded and used to develope our teams, but it will not happen because of its location.
I would have no need to be travelling to BK,all I had asked was where or what happens to BK as a Club if this were to happen.
  Anyone know who the new additions are to the panel apart from Davison?

Heard Mason is in and possibly another O'Hagan?
Another brother from Clonduff?

Alan Daivdson, Anthony Doherty, Rory Mason and Packie O'Hagan (cousin not brother) all asked in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on June 17, 2016, 02:41:02 PM
Many on here complaining we don't have the money. The question I'd ask is why we do we not have the money? What is the difference between us and Leitrim, Offaly or Louth (all have Centre of Excellences)?

We should be seeking out contributors from far and wide...

But alas- who would want to invest their money in Down football given those that would be entrusted to spend it...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 17, 2016, 09:19:23 PM
Good win for Glenn tonight . Point missing their travellers already?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 17, 2016, 11:28:46 PM
Speculative have you been on Mars this last 10yrs, we don't have any money because our county executive and I emphasis executive have put us in a debt problem that will take 20 yrs at 10k a month to sort out , Burrenbridge cost us 550k , choke park lent us the money to square this of and finish Newry , end result we don't have any money and certain members of our current executive presided over this debacle, so withe the limited resources we have, the refurbishment of Ballykinlar should be considered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 18, 2016, 07:25:24 PM
We probably get justifiably lambasted for being ultra defensive at time and "parking the bus"...however anyone who witnessed what happened in the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half against Bryansford last night would concede that we can play a bitta ball as well. 2-04 from play in four minutes is fairly impressive. BTW that Danny Savage is a superb player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 18, 2016, 08:32:25 PM
So does that mean ur happy to play the worst football in the county for 55 mins each week and then come out for the last 5 mins  or ud like poucher to let the shackles off and let the lads play a little going forward ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 18, 2016, 08:45:19 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on June 18, 2016, 08:32:25 PM
So does that mean ur happy to play the worst football in the county for 55 mins each week and then come out for the last 5 mins  or ud like poucher to let the shackles off and let the lads play a little going forward ??

Can you repeat that in English?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on June 18, 2016, 08:48:01 PM
I can repeat it in French, German or Spanish as long as u answer the question
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2016, 09:19:11 AM
So from what I can gather we can get Mayo Cork Mon/Don Kil/WM in the next round
My team for next week

Reid
O Hagen
McGovern
Turley
McKibbon
Carr
Flynn
Turley
Mckernan
Maginn
Poland
O Hanlon
Davidson
Harrison
O Hare

Subs
Devlin
O Hagen
McGovern
Murphy
Collins

Anyone else hazard a guess?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 19, 2016, 02:03:57 PM
Sam Fever, are you part of the executive or maybe a relative of an executive member because if you are , one question

What is the  alternative , on next weeks match, im predicting a tight game but a win by 5 pts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 19, 2016, 04:48:32 PM
The team suggested by Smurfy looks a good bet from numbers one to four but his half back line is a surprising one as McKibbin, who started the last game, and Flynn, who was a second half sub, both struggled against Monaghan. Carr also had a tough day, but his experience and the lack of options could get him another chance. O'Hanlon should be beside him and it would be a great boost if McArdle  is fit enough to join them. An unchanged midfield will be expected but Davidson is more likely to be on the bench than get a competitive debut. Conaill McGovern should revert to his normal sweeping role while being named up front and there must be a reasonable chance of either Devlin or Mallon coming in as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Realmccoy on June 19, 2016, 05:13:50 PM
It is great Eamon Burns is trying something different. It just a pity he or the County Board does not read some of the posts online as we have been discussing Alan Davison for the last year and only now is something napping when Antrim show interest!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 19, 2016, 05:42:17 PM
Quote from: Realmccoy on June 19, 2016, 05:13:50 PM
It is great Eamon Burns is trying something different. It just a pity he or the County Board does not read some of the posts online as we have been discussing Alan Davison for the last year and only now is something napping when Antrim show interest!
what is this verb?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 19, 2016, 09:04:16 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 19, 2016, 05:42:17 PM
Quote from: Realmccoy on June 19, 2016, 05:13:50 PM
It is great Eamon Burns is trying something different. It just a pity he or the County Board does not read some of the posts online as we have been discussing Alan Davison for the last year and only now is something napping when Antrim show interest!
what is this verb?
Davison off injured on Friday night. Ironic if he missed the boat next week after all the fuss because I doubt there'll be another week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2016, 09:07:51 PM
It's Longford Christ
Possibly in the bottom 8 teams in Ireland and we are playing them in Newry
Anything other than a 6 point win will be a disappointment
Let's call a spade a spade
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 19, 2016, 09:08:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2016, 09:07:51 PM
It's Longford Christ
Possibly in the bottom 8 teams in Ireland and we are playing them in Newry
Anything other than a 6 point win will be a disappointment
Let's call a spade a spade

Similar things were thought last year against Wexford. Can't take them for granted but I think we'll win. Probably get Mayo in the next round if we do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 19, 2016, 09:15:48 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2016, 09:07:51 PM
It's Longford Christ
Possibly in the bottom 8 teams in Ireland and we are playing them in Newry
Anything other than a 6 point win will be a disappointment
Let's call a spade a spade

Down are definitely in the bottom 16 teams in Irelanf so the gap really isn't as great as you describe.


We should win, but as it's inevitable that we will concede 12-15 scores, I really don't see Down having the firepower to get 17-20 scores.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2016, 09:21:58 PM
Lads fancy having a stab at the starting team?

It will be interesting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 19, 2016, 09:25:56 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2016, 09:07:51 PM
It's Longford Christ
Possibly in the bottom 8 teams in Ireland and we are playing them in Newry
Anything other than a 6 point win will be a disappointment
Let's call a spade a spade
Remind me what happened the last time we played longford in the championship? Or better still the last time we played anyone in the championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 19, 2016, 09:28:19 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 19, 2016, 02:03:57 PM
Sam Fever, are you part of the executive or maybe a relative of an executive member because if you are , one question

What is the  alternative , on next weeks match, im predicting a tight game but a win by 5 pts
No cut the crap I've nothing to do with the body that you are going to overthrow single handedly.Really intrigued that you could think that but I know that you're prone to strange lines of thought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 19, 2016, 09:29:11 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 19, 2016, 09:25:56 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2016, 09:07:51 PM
It's Longford Christ
Possibly in the bottom 8 teams in Ireland and we are playing them in Newry
Anything other than a 6 point win will be a disappointment
Let's call a spade a spade
Remind me what happened the last time we played longford in the championship? Or better still the last time we played anyone in the championship?

I think the last time we played Longford was in 2010.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 19, 2016, 09:29:37 PM
If we can't beat Longford we really are at our lowest point, Eamonn should mix it up a bit , let's go at Longford ,give it a lash and let's see what happens.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 19, 2016, 09:30:06 PM
Quote from: passedit on June 19, 2016, 09:25:56 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2016, 09:07:51 PM
It's Longford Christ
Possibly in the bottom 8 teams in Ireland and we are playing them in Newry
Anything other than a 6 point win will be a disappointment
Let's call a spade a spade
Remind me what happened the last time we played longford in the championship? Or better still the last time we played anyone in the championship?
A defeat by Longford was Pete McGrath's last game as Down Senior Manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 19, 2016, 09:31:59 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 19, 2016, 09:29:37 PM
If we can't beat Longford we really are at our lowest point, Eamonn should mix it up a bit , let's go at Longford ,give it a lash and let's see what happens.
What exactly does "mix it up"mean in relation to picking a Team for a game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 19, 2016, 09:36:54 PM
Sam Fever like you I am passionate about my county football team, I have played and watched a lot of football in my time and having watched some of our development squads I am confident we will complete with the elite but it will be 8 yrs min, in the meantime we need a base, we have no money , executive sorted that , so we need a centre , any suggestions ,and the ejection of certain individuals who run our county will occur quicker than you think if we get beat by Longford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 19, 2016, 09:40:10 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 19, 2016, 09:36:54 PM
Sam Fever like you I am passionate about my county football team, I have played and watched a lot of football in my time and having watched some of our development squads I am confident we will complete with the elite but it will be 8 yrs min, in the meantime we need a base, we have no money , executive sorted that , so we need a centre , any suggestions ,and the ejection of certain individuals who run our county will occur quicker than you think if we get beat by Longford
Time will tell.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 19, 2016, 09:51:43 PM
By mix it up , I mean changing our tactics, do we go man for man with no sweeper , we are playing Longford for heavens sake, man for man skill wise we surely are better.
I personally think we will get it tight initially because our guys will be nervous but once the nerves go we should run out 5 pts plus winners, bookies are offering evens giving Longford a 3 pts start, but I don't back against or for my team. Unlike some I'm hearing, ex players should have more respect for their former team mates,and as for Marty Clarke , the less said the better , if he had been that interested he would have lifted the phone but maybe the great and the holier than thou don't do that,this forum is to discuss team formations , personnel , and tactics, would you change the keeper, is their any body better
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 20, 2016, 09:39:44 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 19, 2016, 09:51:43 PM
By mix it up , I mean changing our tactics, do we go man for man with no sweeper , we are playing Longford for heavens sake, man for man skill wise we surely are better.
I personally think we will get it tight initially because our guys will be nervous but once the nerves go we should run out 5 pts plus winners, bookies are offering evens giving Longford a 3 pts start, but I don't back against or for my team. Unlike some I'm hearing, ex players should have more respect for their former team mates,and as for Marty Clarke , the less said the better , if he had been that interested he would have lifted the phone but maybe the great and the holier than thou don't do that,this forum is to discuss team formations , personnel , and tactics, would you change the keeper, is their any body better
Change tactics? Looking at the monaghan game we don't have any. We lost an all ireland 6 years ago by not altering our kick outs and we still have that issue can different management times not see this. Look at Cavan yesterday they lost very few of their kick outs.  Winning ball in middle of the park has always been critical and we can't do it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2016, 09:47:58 AM
Do we put Big Reid in for this game???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Verticalball on June 20, 2016, 12:45:25 PM
I think we should have enough to get past Longford in a tight game. O'Hare's fitness is key and McArdle would be a good addition to the defence for his experience alone, even if he only had a half in him. Another day out will likely be our lot.

As for this idea that Marty Clarke should have lifted the phone to invite himself back onto the panel, surely management invite the players onto the panel and not the other way around? Should we all give Burns a ring to offer our services? Too many stubborn people now who don't want to lose face. I'd say every other county would have him on the panel, Dublin and Kerry included.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on June 20, 2016, 01:41:18 PM
The last time we played Longford was in the 2010 championship in Newry and we won thanks to a jammy penalty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on June 20, 2016, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: ballela-angel on June 20, 2016, 01:41:18 PM
The last time we played Longford was in the 2010 championship in Newry and we won thanks to a jammy penalty
And look what happened after that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on June 20, 2016, 03:52:43 PM
What happened next was all the stars in the heavens looked at each other and asked " Lets all line up perfectly and just see how far  we can run with this" and it was a most enjoyable run until McComisky was substituted

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 20, 2016, 05:50:21 PM
 Some wit about today. We carry on in hope.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2016, 05:52:25 PM
Anyone going to have a guess of starting 15

It could be anything

Hard team to pick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 20, 2016, 06:27:04 PM
Have a go yourself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2016, 10:38:15 PM
I did pick a team wobbles
You not see it?
My team v Monaghan was not far off
Give or take 6:)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 20, 2016, 11:04:04 PM
 Just saw it there on the main board.11 probably will start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2016, 11:33:17 PM
Which 11?
Give us your starting 15
Davidson start?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 21, 2016, 07:23:30 AM
I would put Peter Turley at centre half back preferring a more mobile midfield with hopefully a different kick out tactic, big lad who are gives so much at midfield he rarely finishes a game having expended so much energy, Stevie is a good shot stopper but kick outs are his problem I would change him, keep McKernan at midfield with McArdle, up front I'd go with Davidson if he's fit , no need then for OHare who by all accounts is rarely fit for his club, I also like the idea of starting Mason who was our best u21 two years ago, but any change by management will be scrutinised and criticised but they have to show they are willing to accept what they put out against Monaghan was woeful , I'd go man for man , if they play a sweeper push up on him and go for it , let's have a decent enjoyable game, no more 14 behind the ball , it's Longford !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 21, 2016, 07:59:29 AM
Me, I'm more prudent.

I hope Down use this match as a stepping stone to something better, which means treating it as a serious Championship match, and putting a structure in place that makes is hard to beat. 2 sweepers and 2 defensively minded wing forwards, all protecting the D and transitioning at pace.


By the way, while Kane's kick outs were shocking can Monaghan, there is a bigger problem than him for restarts. Playing shorter kick outs is a cultural thing as much as it is execution. It requires players to leave space, and willing recipients to run with intent into that space. Against Monaghan, we were locked in a time capsule circa 1987, where our willing recipients would isolate themselves on the back foot against 2-3 opponents and roar at the keeper to let it long.

Maybe Kane just had a complete meltdown. I hope so. But what I was watching suggested a lack of fundamental thinking across the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on June 21, 2016, 12:15:05 PM
Wobbler is completely right...say what you want about Kane's kick outs the last day, but its up to the players out the field to move and make space for him to kick the ball into. Monaghan had it down to a tee the last day.

Every time Down had a restart from a kick out, there was very little movement which meant Kane had no other option than to put it long. Down have had no kick out strategy this past 6 years, until they start working on one, it will be the same old story.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 21, 2016, 02:42:13 PM
james mccartan may have once said when in charge of seniors after so many short kicks went over sideline they kinda give up on it. I heard or read it somewhere.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 21, 2016, 04:59:18 PM
The previous posters were quite right to point out that successful kick-outs depend just as much on the strategy introduced by our management and implemented by the outfield players as they do on the keeper. However, while Kane is our best shot stopper, and is excellent under the dropping ball, there has always been an issue about his distribution. It was obvious when we played at Clones in February and led to the introduction of Cunningham for the rest of the league until his injury. Reid has no experience at senior county level but has a confident approach to his kick-outs and there is a strong case for giving him a chance.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 22, 2016, 06:53:40 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 21, 2016, 04:59:18 PM
The previous posters were quite right to point out that successful kick-outs depend just as much on the strategy introduced by our management and implemented by the outfield players as they do on the keeper. However, while Kane is our best shot stopper, and is excellent under the dropping ball, there has always been an issue about his distribution. It was obvious when we played at Clones in February and led to the introduction of Cunningham for the rest of the league until his injury. Reid has no experience at senior county level but has a confident approach to his kick-outs and there is a strong case for giving him a chance.
And he's had a distinguished U21 campaign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on June 22, 2016, 10:22:32 AM
The Centenary Cup and Shield finals are being played in Newry on Sunday evening.

This is a great occasion for the Division 4 clubs who are involved. Even though the football is not up to the usual standard of the club (not county :P) championship games that are traditionally played in Newry; are there be many gaels considering attending these games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 10:25:28 AM
Forgive my ignorance but what the f**k is the centenary cup and shield.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on June 22, 2016, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 10:25:28 AM
Forgive my ignorance but what the f**k is the centenary cup and shield.

Brick this statement does not surprise me. They were competitions put in place for Division 4 teams to play in during their break from Division 4 fixtures, it was an idea to give them more competitive games due to the lack of teams and therefore fixtures in the division this year. The idea was to have a showpiece evening in Newry for the two finals.

Top 4 were in the cup and bottom 4 were in the shield. All playing each other once with the top 2 competing in the respective finals.

St Paul's didn't field in any of their game for political reason (from what I heard).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 11:27:52 AM
What are the political reasons for not playing football.?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on June 22, 2016, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on June 22, 2016, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 10:25:28 AM
Forgive my ignorance but what the f**k is the centenary cup and shield.

Brick this statement does not surprise me. They were competitions put in place for Division 4 teams to play in during their break from Division 4 fixtures, it was an idea to give them more competitive games due to the lack of teams and therefore fixtures in the division this year. The idea was to have a showpiece evening in Newry for the two finals.

Top 4 were in the cup and bottom 4 were in the shield. All playing each other once with the top 2 competing in the respective finals.

St Paul's didn't field in any of their game for political reason (from what I heard).
Clutch-you're a bollix. "(From what I heard)" You know the reason and are stirring the pot ya dick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 11:43:04 AM
So why didn't St Pauls field in their scheduled games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on June 22, 2016, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: imagine on June 22, 2016, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on June 22, 2016, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 10:25:28 AM
Forgive my ignorance but what the f**k is the centenary cup and shield.

Brick this statement does not surprise me. They were competitions put in place for Division 4 teams to play in during their break from Division 4 fixtures, it was an idea to give them more competitive games due to the lack of teams and therefore fixtures in the division this year. The idea was to have a showpiece evening in Newry for the two finals.

Top 4 were in the cup and bottom 4 were in the shield. All playing each other once with the top 2 competing in the respective finals.

St Paul's didn't field in any of their game for political reason (from what I heard).
Clutch-you're a bollix. "(From what I heard)" You know the reason and are stirring the pot ya dick

Well considering what I heard was not directly from a St Paul's source or club member, I'm not going to quote something I am not 100% certain on. Imagine you go ahead and clear things up for us there then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 22, 2016, 12:12:11 PM
Have the Championship fixtures and dates been released?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on June 22, 2016, 12:26:26 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on June 22, 2016, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: imagine on June 22, 2016, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: TheClutch on June 22, 2016, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 10:25:28 AM
Forgive my ignorance but what the f**k is the centenary cup and shield.

Brick this statement does not surprise me. They were competitions put in place for Division 4 teams to play in during their break from Division 4 fixtures, it was an idea to give them more competitive games due to the lack of teams and therefore fixtures in the division this year. The idea was to have a showpiece evening in Newry for the two finals.

Top 4 were in the cup and bottom 4 were in the shield. All playing each other once with the top 2 competing in the respective finals.

St Paul's didn't field in any of their game for political reason (from what I heard).
Clutch-you're a bollix. "(From what I heard)" You know the reason and are stirring the pot ya dick

Well considering what I heard was not directly from a St Paul's source or club member, I'm not going to quote something I am not 100% certain on. Imagine you go ahead and clear things up for us there then.

Why bring it up then if you can't stand over it? Just tell us what the voices in your head told you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 22, 2016, 12:27:35 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 10:25:28 AM
Forgive my ignorance but what the f**k is the centenary cup and shield.


Down GAA Host Centenary Cup and Shield Finals on Sunday



On Sunday next in Pairc Esler Down GAA as part of its ongoing 1916-2016 Centenary celebrations and commemorations will host the Finals of the Centenary Shield and Cup Competitions. Down GAA is very proud of its historic link with the 1916 Rising as Patrick Rankin the only Newry and County Down man to have fought in the GPO in Easter Week later became the Treasurer of Down GAA in 1925 serving up until 1928 when he moved to County Kildare. Indeed further events are planned later this year to specifically acknowledge the contribution of Patrick Rankin to our Country and our County.

So on Sunday at Pairc Esler Bright and St Michaels will contest the Centenary Shield Final at 5.00pm whilst at 6.30pm East Down neighbors Ardglass and Dundrum go head to head in the Centenary Cup Final. Admission to both games is 5.00 and Under 16s are free.

Sunday gives these four clubs the chance to create their own particular piece of history and special medals have been struck for the occasion, this competition will only be played for in 2016. On Sunday evening we will give witness to history as these four Clubs from Division 4 in Down come to the County ground to do battle, to be recorded in the annals of Down GAA as winners in 2016 of a competition that is truly unique; The Centenary Shield and Centenary Cup 1916-2016.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 12:30:38 PM
Who writes this guff.
A county full of turd-polishers.

Will it be on sky sports?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on June 22, 2016, 01:16:51 PM
What would you have them write?they have to make it sound some way attractive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on June 22, 2016, 02:16:25 PM
What concerns me regarding kick outs is that it was quite obviously an issue in the league, none more so that the Dublin game and nothing seems to have changed. GK that day was Cunningham, so it's quite clearly a lack of strategy from management, which is quite bemusing considering the change in dynamics and perceptions of the importance of retaining primary possession on kick outs.

Something which even I can't blame the county board for... (apart from the fact they ousted the previous manager, leaving the vacant position unappealing to anyone with any qualifying experience, leaving the to beg a novice to take it...)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 23, 2016, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 12:30:38 PM
Who writes this guff.
A county full of turd-polishers.

Will it be on sky sports?

when you ask smart questions like that you will understand why others avoid WUM like yourself
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on June 24, 2016, 12:44:24 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 23, 2016, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 12:30:38 PM
Who writes this guff.
A county full of turd-polishers.

Will it be on sky sports?

when you ask smart questions like that you will understand why others avoid WUM like yourself
LG, you're a WUM more like and also a W-er for your sly dig at St Pauls and you're promotion of a 2-bit excuse for a Competition and having the stupidity for printing on this forum sh-te such as "coming to the County ground to do battle" Catch yourself on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 24, 2016, 11:41:41 AM
Quote from: imagine on June 24, 2016, 12:44:24 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 23, 2016, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 12:30:38 PM
Who writes this guff.
A county full of turd-polishers.

Will it be on sky sports?

when you ask smart questions like that you will understand why others avoid WUM like yourself
LG, you're a WUM more like and also a W-er for your sly dig at St Pauls and you're promotion of a 2-bit excuse for a Competition and having the stupidity for printing on this forum sh-te such as "coming to the County ground to do battle" Catch yourself on.

st pauls ? where have I mentioned st pauls in any of my previous posts. think you have me confused with someone else  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on June 24, 2016, 03:04:27 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 24, 2016, 11:41:41 AM
Quote from: imagine on June 24, 2016, 12:44:24 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 23, 2016, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 12:30:38 PM
Who writes this guff.
A county full of turd-polishers.

Will it be on sky sports?

when you ask smart questions like that you will understand why others avoid WUM like yourself
LG, you're a WUM more like and also a W-er for your sly dig at St Pauls and you're promotion of a 2-bit excuse for a Competition and having the stupidity for printing on this forum sh-te such as "coming to the County ground to do battle" Catch yourself on.

st pauls ? where have I mentioned st pauls in any of my previous posts. think you have me confused with someone else  ;)
I'm getting you mixed up with the clutch-you're probably be the same person.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 24, 2016, 11:53:46 PM
Quote from: imagine on June 24, 2016, 03:04:27 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 24, 2016, 11:41:41 AM
Quote from: imagine on June 24, 2016, 12:44:24 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 23, 2016, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 12:30:38 PM
Who writes this guff.
A county full of turd-polishers.

Will it be on sky sports?

when you ask smart questions like that you will understand why others avoid WUM like yourself
LG, you're a WUM more like and also a W-er for your sly dig at St Pauls and you're promotion of a 2-bit excuse for a Competition and having the stupidity for printing on this forum sh-te such as "coming to the County ground to do battle" Catch yourself on.

st pauls ? where have I mentioned st pauls in any of my previous posts. think you have me confused with someone else  ;)
I'm getting you mixed up with the clutch-you're probably be the same person.

Yeah you have so get your facts right before making a c-nt of yourself.
An apology would be in order not a further unfounded statement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on June 25, 2016, 09:28:28 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 24, 2016, 11:53:46 PM
Quote from: imagine on June 24, 2016, 03:04:27 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 24, 2016, 11:41:41 AM
Quote from: imagine on June 24, 2016, 12:44:24 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 23, 2016, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 12:30:38 PM
Who writes this guff.
A county full of turd-polishers.

Will it be on sky sports?

when you ask smart questions like that you will understand why others avoid WUM like yourself
LG, you're a WUM more like and also a W-er for your sly dig at St Pauls and you're promotion of a 2-bit excuse for a Competition and having the stupidity for printing on this forum sh-te such as "coming to the County ground to do battle" Catch yourself on.

st pauls ? where have I mentioned st pauls in any of my previous posts. think you have me confused with someone else  ;)
I'm getting you mixed up with the clutch-you're probably be the same person.

Yeah you have so get your facts right before making a c-nt of yourself.
An apology would be in order not a further unfounded statement.
See you tomorrow at the blockbuster Bouts that are the gladiatorial Centenary Finals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 25, 2016, 04:43:40 PM
If we cant beat Longford at our patch then we have a serious bit of rebuilding to do, all the talkings been done, he championship is over, time for reflection and then ------- who knows ,Sean og has survived before but surely this catastrophe is one to many, his mates in South Down cant save him or can they
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 25, 2016, 05:35:44 PM
 Clueless for the most part on the pitch and leaderless off it. The worst year ever at Senior Football but what a  "great tradition' we have to look back on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on June 25, 2016, 05:47:39 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 25, 2016, 04:43:40 PM
If we cant beat Longford at our patch then we have a serious bit of rebuilding to do, all the talkings been done, he championship is over, time for reflection and then ------- who knows ,Sean og has survived before but surely this catastrophe is one to many, his mates in South Down cant save him or can they

Sean Og may be answerable to a whole lot of things and to be honest I think the whole top table should go, it's an old boys club and in turn they pass the managers round another old boys club aka Classes of 91 and 94.

Eamonn took it when no one else would touch it, but the decision not to back Jim McCorry (a proven winner) was a disaster. He needed to be trusted and given time.

The clubs now need to review who their county delegates are individually and if they are not passionate and forward thinking with the balls to speak their mind then change them!!

In turn time for fresh blood, no more "down way" bullshit and a clear forward thinking plan and view to the future.

The old guard is battered and effectively bankrupt both financially and in terms of investment potential from Players, supporters and sponsors.

Wipe it clean and start at bottom and rebuild in every aspect and anyone not wanting to be constructive and transparent should go.

Dark day and one from which the light might be a generation away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 25, 2016, 06:04:19 PM
Clear out needed from top to bottom

From players quitting,Holidays ,America and what ever else has been going on it's a shambles

And then the circus surrounding all the new players and only one on the squad who did not get a run out

Longford would have been laughing at this

Big big calls to be made very soon or we will go into complete turmoil

I expect Carr Poland McKernan Turley McArdls to call it a day

I would imagine they will be thinking what's the point anymore

No wins in 14 months football against another County

Big big few weeks ahead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 25, 2016, 06:25:31 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2016, 09:19:11 AM
So from what I can gather we can get Mayo Cork Mon/Don Kil/WM in the next round
My team for next week

Reid
O Hagen
McGovern
Turley
McKibbon
Carr
Flynn
Turley
Mckernan
Maginn
Poland
O Hanlon
Davidson
Harrison 
O Hare

Subs
Devlin
O Hagen
McGovern
Murphy
Collins

Anyone else hazard a guess?
Smurfy as predicted--11 of them started.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 25, 2016, 06:44:04 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 25, 2016, 06:04:19 PM
Clear out needed from top to bottom

From players quitting,Holidays ,America and what ever else has been going on it's a shambles

And then the circus surrounding all the new players and only one on the squad who did not get a run out

Longford would have been laughing at this

Big big calls to be made very soon or we will go into complete turmoil

I expect Carr Poland McKernan Turley McArdls to call it a day

I would imagine they will be thinking what's the point anymore

No wins in 14 months football against another County

Big big few weeks ahead
You're correct in all of this,who was the player who didn't get a run out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 25, 2016, 07:27:04 PM
When is the next open county meeting when the cub rep can be accompanied by his chairman and secretary of their club, as this is the meeting to stand up and be counted, the sooner the better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 25, 2016, 07:33:34 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 25, 2016, 06:44:04 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 25, 2016, 06:04:19 PM
Clear out needed from top to bottom

From players quitting,Holidays ,America and what ever else has been going on it's a shambles

And then the circus surrounding all the new players and only one on the squad who did not get a run out

Longford would have been laughing at this

Big big calls to be made very soon or we will go into complete turmoil

I expect Carr Poland McKernan Turley McArdls to call it a day

I would imagine they will be thinking what's the point anymore

No wins in 14 months football against another County

Big big few weeks ahead
You're correct in all of this,who was the player who didn't get a run out?

Davidson
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Line Ball on June 25, 2016, 07:35:56 PM
None of us should want to say we told you so but we all knew this was on the cards.  It has been as bad a season as I can ever remember and, to some degree, you can't only blame the panel and management who committed this year.  We know we are a county in transition with many limited players on the pitch and I'm sure they bursted themselves when asked to in training.  I do think with the players available to us that we should have been more defensively set up and thats where the inexperienced management team were found out but we are simply not good enough at present.  Mourne Academy and Rising Stars programmes, I hope they all work and boy do we need it.  We are absolute years behind so many other countys but once again you can't fault the men who are putting the hours in with these squads.  County Board are and have been an embarrassment for years, we all know this.  They have been happy to call time on the likes of Mc Corry so any chance they will hold their hands up and admit they are simply not up to the task.  Everyone else is accountable for results so why not this bunch.  Dark days presently and so ahead.  14 months from our last inter county win, its hard to take.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 25, 2016, 07:54:10 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 25, 2016, 07:33:34 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 25, 2016, 06:44:04 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 25, 2016, 06:04:19 PM
Clear out needed from top to bottom

From players quitting,Holidays ,America and what ever else has been going on it's a shambles

And then the circus surrounding all the new players and only one on the squad who did not get a run out

Longford would have been laughing at this

Big big calls to be made very soon or we will go into complete turmoil

I expect Carr Poland McKernan Turley McArdls to call it a day

I would imagine they will be thinking what's the point anymore

No wins in 14 months football against another County

Big big few weeks ahead
You're correct in all of this,who was the player who didn't get a run out?

Davidson
Flynn,Doyle,McKeever or Kane didn't get  a run out either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 25, 2016, 09:03:53 PM
down football is the laughing stock of ulster. to concede 2-24 to longford is nothing short of a disgrace, did have we any sort of defensive plan? someone posted earlier in the year that we wouldnt win a game and people laughed. at this rate we mightn't win a match next year either.

watching monaghan and donegal makes you realise how far we have fallen, we are miles away from those teams. whether we like it or not longford and the like are now our level. sad times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 25, 2016, 09:09:43 PM
Quote from: imagine on June 25, 2016, 09:28:28 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 24, 2016, 11:53:46 PM
Quote from: imagine on June 24, 2016, 03:04:27 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 24, 2016, 11:41:41 AM
Quote from: imagine on June 24, 2016, 12:44:24 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 23, 2016, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 12:30:38 PM
Who writes this guff.
A county full of turd-polishers.

Will it be on sky sports?

when you ask smart questions like that you will understand why others avoid WUM like yourself
LG, you're a WUM more like and also a W-er for your sly dig at St Pauls and you're promotion of a 2-bit excuse for a Competition and having the stupidity for printing on this forum sh-te such as "coming to the County ground to do battle" Catch yourself on.

st pauls ? where have I mentioned st pauls in any of my previous posts. think you have me confused with someone else  ;)
I'm getting you mixed up with the clutch-you're probably be the same person.

Yeah you have so get your facts right before making a c-nt of yourself.
An apology would be in order not a further unfounded statement.
See you tomorrow at the blockbuster Bouts that are the gladiatorial Centenary Finals.

i'll not be there. in Lyon  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Over the Bar on June 25, 2016, 09:24:46 PM
I followed Down to Croker in the past.  The current team are the toilet brush of Ulster football.  London or NY would give them a game. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on June 25, 2016, 09:35:54 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 25, 2016, 09:09:43 PM
Quote from: imagine on June 25, 2016, 09:28:28 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 24, 2016, 11:53:46 PM
Quote from: imagine on June 24, 2016, 03:04:27 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 24, 2016, 11:41:41 AM
Quote from: imagine on June 24, 2016, 12:44:24 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on June 23, 2016, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2016, 12:30:38 PM
Who writes this guff.
A county full of turd-polishers.

Will it be on sky sports?

when you ask smart questions like that you will understand why others avoid WUM like yourself
LG, you're a WUM more like and also a W-er for your sly dig at St Pauls and you're promotion of a 2-bit excuse for a Competition and having the stupidity for printing on this forum sh-te such as "coming to the County ground to do battle" Catch yourself on.

st pauls ? where have I mentioned st pauls in any of my previous posts. think you have me confused with someone else  ;)
I'm getting you mixed up with the clutch-you're probably be the same person.

Yeah you have so get your facts right before making a c-nt of yourself.
An apology would be in order not a further unfounded statement.
See you tomorrow at the blockbuster Bouts that are the gladiatorial Centenary Finals.

i'll not be there. in Lyon  ;D
So you're a soccer head?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 25, 2016, 11:17:55 PM
The 1st half performance today wasthe worst I've ever seen from any team. They couldn't do anything right .
Only for longford poor defence although not as poor as ours it would not have been a contest.  Giving Brian Kavanagh chance after chance from frees is idiotic he is a top quality forward think he got 9 or 10 today. The last year has been bleak and to be honest thankfully it's over for another year. 20 euro 16 gbp was extortion in to watch that rubbish was the stink of slurry in the air any reflection on the football.
Sack the entire county board and take it from there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 25, 2016, 11:46:34 PM
The most frustrating aspect of today's debacle was that we all saw it coming but our county executive, who are responsible for all the managerial arrivals and departures, failed in almost all of their duties. Although McCorry may have been a handful to deal with, he was a heavyweight with a proven track record and replacing him should only have been an option if we had a suitably qualified alternative. Burns was a very fine footballer but his coaching experience was limited and it was totally unfair to ask him to take on the role in almost impossible circumstances.

He probably agreed through a sense of responsibility and a narrow win today followed by a respectable defeat in the next round would have allowed him to stand down with some dignity. Unfortunately, we need to remember his outstanding displays in two All Ireland victories and quietly put his term as manager to one side.

The few positives today were Reid, who may not have been flawless but is capable of developing into the sort of keeper required in the modern game, Turley for giving his all, Mallon who made mistakes but took some fine scores and O'Hare who could start for any Ulster county.

Our full back line was ordinary at best but it was verging on the astonishing that a half back unit which disintegrated in Clones was sent out again unchanged and it is probably best not to dwell on their individual contributions.

While our captain is a talented player, he is not a captain and taking him off when the contest was in the balance and sending him on again in extra time to zero effect summed up the lack of basic insight on the sideline.

He will be back but we need to thank Carr and Poland, two heroes going back to a side which should have won the 2005 u21 AI, for their brilliant efforts in the past and move on.

It is almost impossible to understand how Davidson could be brought into the squad at such a late stage and not given even a couple of minutes late on when our season depended on a score or two and defenders were introduced instead.

We may have a squad which is not really up to the mark but we must surely be capable of better than we witnessed today. If we do not wish to repeat the experience, change from top to bottom is essential.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 26, 2016, 08:10:24 AM
Having read all the posts after the defeat , I'm calling for an open meeting with one item on the clar , a vote of no confidence in the executive and the resignation of Sean og our highly paid full time secretary. I would go direct to Croke park for his removal if he fails to resign.
Commentar on Donegal v Monaghan mentioned that Monaghan were going for 6 succession Ulster final appearances , well behind the record held by Down , which is 12 having won 10 of them.
How have we fallen so far ? Other counties have used our past success as a blue print for their success
it's now time that we get someone who can put us back on track, that person is definitely not Sean og McAteer, his tenure has been littered with disaster after disaster, if I'm wrong please come back and tell me different and give me a reason why he should stay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 26, 2016, 09:21:16 AM
Not having a go at Eamon but could sonebody name the men who appointed him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on June 26, 2016, 10:21:22 AM
As an outsider with a healthy respect for Down football can someone tell me why no manager with the right credentials wants to manage Down at the minute?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Down Way on June 26, 2016, 10:23:42 AM
To be honest I planned to have a good rant regarding the county board and one man in particular but it looks like the message is finally getting through. Walking up the Point Rd yesterday evening there was only one topic of conversation #SackChuckyNed.

Sean we all know you read these boards regularly and so too do the nodding dogs you have surrounded yourself with. Collectively you have ruined our county, we are financially, ethically and indeed morally bankrupt. You have to go. GO NOW.

For once we managed to get to a game in Clones in good time, it's hard to get everyone ready for an early start, but we were all looking forward to a good game of football on a cracking day, for once as season ticket holders we were glad not to be sitting in the Geriatric Stand. We made our usual visit to the Paragon for a pint before heading down to the Creighton for lunch and another pint. But something was missing, there were no Down people there, we were outnumbered by about 8 to 1. Lunch was bogging.
Our three boys didn't go, no interest. Work, university and life all come before the football now, but very few of the old friends go now either, they are sick of paying good money to watch utter, utter shite. Our best players simply don't want to play, some of them weren't even invited on to the panel and others can make a living betting against us. I did intend putting a bet on Down not winning a game in 2016, I knew we would struggle in the league, but you always hope that on a dry day in the summer we could roll back the years, a run in the qualifiers and defeat to one of the bigger teams. A man can dream.

For the first time ever I left Clones early, very early in fact. As soon as Monaghan scored their first goal. I stayed to the bitter end in Wexford last year and wherever we lost the year before. The defeats don't stand out anymore, the rare victories still do. On the way out I spoke to an Ulster council official, a Tyrone man. He asked what was so wrong in Down and why was our county secretary always on the field with the team, before I could even think of an excuse for your presence on a football field and that is what's needed for your continued presence the Tyrone man said Mickey Harte wouldn't put up with that, but in truth no one would. So why do we? As a friend says, he didn't even do PE at school, he knows nothing about football.

I don't have the answers to all that is wrong in Down, but I am not paid to. I pay my money and follow my team through thick and thin, good times and bad. We book hotels as soon as draws are made and fixtures are announced. You always hope for a nice away fixture in Kerry late in the league. Galway is nice too, but they always bring us to Tuam at the last minute and we inevitably lose. Maybe our county secretary could look into it.
Change is needed and change is needed now. We have to go to our clubs and demand it. I felt so strongly about it that I was going to have a banner made "#SackChuckyNed" and place it on the terrace on the town side of the Marshes, but you would probably have one of your gobshites remove it, you know the nodding dogs I mean, Rooney or Cahill or whoever is stroking your ego at the minute.
Our clubs have to take Down football back.

I did say this wouldn't be a rant, so I'll keep it short  ;) We all remember 91 it was the greatest footballing day in our lifetime. Two things stand out for me after all these years. The great Ambrose coming on late in the game and the lift it gave both the team and the crowd, but before that Eamon Burns scored a great point, Meath were on the ascendancy and Burns was inspirational. He steadied the ship. 25 years later Eamon came back in and tried to steady the ship once again. I would personally like to thank Eamon, his back room team and the squad for their efforts. They give their time freely and put their lives on hold with little or no thanks. It is an honour to represent your county. An honour that I never achieved. Change is needed. On the field and off it. Football and hurling. #SackSeanOg #SackChuckyNed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on June 26, 2016, 11:20:40 AM
these guys will simply shrug their shoulders and say "Not my fault" and attempt to carry on with their own self importance -they have no regard for the heart of DOWN, i sat in the stand yesterday and heard a small child say "Come on Down do better"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Corner Forward on June 26, 2016, 11:41:38 AM
The personal abuse certain people are getting on this board is a complete disgrace. Many of these men and women give their time freely to try and better Down in all codes. Yes they make mistakes and with the beauty of hindsight would do things differently. Maybe some of those posters calling for the removal of the County Executive may put themselves forward at convention to replace them if they feel they could do a better job. Stop whinging from behind your keyboards and do something productive to better our county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 26, 2016, 11:44:19 AM
Quote from: The Down Way on June 26, 2016, 10:23:42 AM
To be honest I planned to have a good rant regarding the county board and one man in particular but it looks like the message is finally getting through. Walking up the Point Rd yesterday evening there was only one topic of conversation #SackChuckyNed.

Sean we all know you read these boards regularly and so too do the nodding dogs you have surrounded yourself with. Collectively you have ruined our county, we are financially, ethically and indeed morally bankrupt. You have to go. GO NOW.

For once we managed to get to a game in Clones in good time, it's hard to get everyone ready for an early start, but we were all looking forward to a good game of football on a cracking day, for once as season ticket holders we were glad not to be sitting in the Geriatric Stand. We made our usual visit to the Paragon for a pint before heading down to the Creighton for lunch and another pint. But something was missing, there were no Down people there, we were outnumbered by about 8 to 1. Lunch was bogging.
Our three boys didn't go, no interest. Work, university and life all come before the football now, but very few of the old friends go now either, they are sick of paying good money to watch utter, utter shite. Our best players simply don't want to play, some of them weren't even invited on to the panel and others can make a living betting against us. I did intend putting a bet on Down not winning a game in 2016, I knew we would struggle in the league, but you always hope that on a dry day in the summer we could roll back the years, a run in the qualifiers and defeat to one of the bigger teams. A man can dream.

For the first time ever I left Clones early, very early in fact. As soon as Monaghan scored their first goal. I stayed to the bitter end in Wexford last year and wherever we lost the year before. The defeats don't stand out anymore, the rare victories still do. On the way out I spoke to an Ulster council official, a Tyrone man. He asked what was so wrong in Down and why was our county secretary always on the field with the team, before I could even think of an excuse for your presence on a football field and that is what's needed for your continued presence the Tyrone man said Mickey Harte wouldn't put up with that, but in truth no one would. So why do we? As a friend says, he didn't even do PE at school, he knows nothing about football.

I don't have the answers to all that is wrong in Down, but I am not paid to. I pay my money and follow my team through thick and thin, good times and bad. We book hotels as soon as draws are made and fixtures are announced. You always hope for a nice away fixture in Kerry late in the league. Galway is nice too, but they always bring us to Tuam at the last minute and we inevitably lose. Maybe our county secretary could look into it.
Change is needed and change is needed now. We have to go to our clubs and demand it. I felt so strongly about it that I was going to have a banner made "#SackChuckyNed" and place it on the terrace on the town side of the Marshes, but you would probably have one of your gobshites remove it, you know the nodding dogs I mean, Rooney or Cahill or whoever is stroking your ego at the minute.
Our clubs have to take Down football back.

I did say this wouldn't be a rant, so I'll keep it short  ;) We all remember 91 it was the greatest footballing day in our lifetime. Two things stand out for me after all these years. The great Ambrose coming on late in the game and the lift it gave both the team and the crowd, but before that Eamon Burns scored a great point, Meath were on the ascendancy and Burns was inspirational. He steadied the ship. 25 years later Eamon came back in and tried to steady the ship once again. I would personally like to thank Eamon, his back room team and the squad for their efforts. They give their time freely and put their lives on hold with little or no thanks. It is an honour to represent your county. An honour that I never achieved. Change is needed. On the field and off it. Football and hurling. #SackSeanOg #SackChuckyNed
It's no wonder your three boys don't go to matches anymore.If you talk like your write.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Down Way on June 26, 2016, 12:37:11 PM
Maybe you could give us a few wise words of your own.

The untouchable golden circle of Down football don't have to worry about paying for tickets or travelling to Clones, they travel free on the team bus.

@Corner Forward. You mention the beauty of hindsight, it's true we d all have 20/20 vision with that benefit, but this isn't a one-off event. This has become the norm for Down. We are probably ranked eighth in Ulster with only Antrim below us. The sad thing is we just accept it.

Chucky Ned wasn't fit to run a sweet shop, in front of the dole office in Newry. Yet we have allowed him to bankrupt our county. This shouldn't even be a topic for conversation, he should have been given the road many years ago. One way or the other he goes, he has no dignity we all know that much, he may have to be dragged out, but I can assure you he is no more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 26, 2016, 03:47:29 PM
 You're probably on the way to another banning from this Board with your latest username.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: one day on June 26, 2016, 06:24:18 PM
I know things are bad, but constantly singling out one man in particular is wrong.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 26, 2016, 06:39:36 PM
Quote from: one day on June 26, 2016, 06:24:18 PM
I know things are bad, but constantly singling out one man in particular is wrong.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
under one man's leadership we have seen a generation of mediocrity and underachievement. We haven't won a senior Ulster championship since 1994 for fecks sake, if he's building something he's definitely taking his time. Is there any foundations even built on this 'Rome' project?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: one day on June 26, 2016, 06:53:04 PM
When did he take up the post?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Down Way on June 26, 2016, 07:05:48 PM
It's as simple as this. You either accept the abject failure as delivered by Chucky Ned or you don't.
It's all well and good saying he has the interests of Down at heart and he is doing his best, but his best is nowhere near good enough. He may well have the interests of Down at heart, but it has been shown time and again that he is an abject failure. His tenure as a paid administrator of Down GAA had been nothing short of a disaster and he even had the gall to complain that we didn't have enough volunteers and those volunteers weren't doing enough. Maybe he volunteers his salary to Club Down on the quiet, but I somehow doubt that very much. He is a self serving fool, who has surrounded himself with nodding dogs. His time and their time has come. #SackChuckyNed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: one day on June 26, 2016, 07:25:26 PM
Don't think anyone accepts failure, or is saying he's totally blameless either.
He does get paid from 9am to 5pm Monday to Friday but I think you know he works before and after those times stated therefore he is a volunteer also. It's just it seems he is an easy scapegoat for all things that are wrong within the County and there are plenty of them. Starting within the Clubs of the County. There wasn't many praising him in 2010 when we should and could of won an All Ireland. I'm not saying things don't need to change but if you put all your blame on one person nothing will ever change. I would like to think you are pretty active in trying to change things?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 26, 2016, 09:23:00 PM
Is it not the case that the funding for and therefore the control of all appointments as county secretary lies with the Ulster council ? Perhaps  some posters with knowledge of Armagh affairs could explain the circumstances in which our neighbours apparently  dispensed with a full-time paid post as county secretary and reverted to a part-time arrangement with the support of a committee. Given the upheaval which followed our defeat at Wexford last year, it will be fascinating to follow developments at the next meeting of our own county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on June 26, 2016, 09:45:41 PM
Does any of the posters on here go to County Board or have any influence on whoever goes from their Club?Are we at rock bottom or do we move next Spring to Div 3v
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 26, 2016, 09:55:24 PM
Looking at the teams in div 2 for league can anyone see us beating Galway Cork Meath Derry Fermanagh . I can't not with the current set up.
What was happening in training since January in the 1st half they couldn't string a pass together. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 26, 2016, 10:11:46 PM
Despite what happened yesterday the personal abuse of people on here is a disgrace. I wonder would the perpetrators stand face to face with the people they are abusing and have it out with them. Along with fellow club members I have had my (major) differences with the county secretary and county chairman but had the balls to sit down with them and sort it out. We didn't hide behind a keyboard and take snide potshots. Disgraceful behaviour from some people on here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: one day on June 26, 2016, 10:22:12 PM
Well said 5 Sams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 26, 2016, 10:31:48 PM
The problem is a very basic one, we have a county secretary who has a say in everything that happens in Down football, be it finance, coaching and management appointments , and every one of these has been an absolute failure.
And yet there are a few nodding dogs who still come on hear to defend him, I am of the opinion that an open meeting be called while the memory is still raw.
If your not afraid of the questions and repercussions Sean og call the meeting because I for one will be there and Cahill Devenny and co will not keep me quiet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 26, 2016, 10:45:38 PM
Where else would you get it?

Who is the backroom team that we have?

Tyrone have Devlin Donnelly and we have a Rugby man?

It's a disgrace

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 26, 2016, 10:47:23 PM
If it's personal abuse to say the county executive and highly paid secretary are inept then you should contact 99% of down supporters because everyone is saying the same. Years of mismanagement, years of ineptitude. Down are years behind the top teams in Ulster never mind Ireland. Everyone knows the stories of people and companies not being paid, we are complete laughing stock. These are the same people that overseen the burrenbridge fiasco!!! :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 26, 2016, 10:54:39 PM
While there are major problems within Down circles, these problems aren't just limited to Down.. Counties all over the country are suffering from the same issues in my opinion. The main problem is the PROFESSIONAL INTERCOUNTY SCENE. Counties are suffering from withdrawals of Top talent all over the place. What is expected of players nowadays is rediculous. You have professional people with families etc and are expected to train like professional sportsmen for 6-9 months for what? A few games a year? Burst your bloody ass for 3,4,5 meaningful games a year... It's just not on.. As most can see the standard in county football has been on a steep decline for years and it's starting to show in the stands. There is no enjoyment in it anymore, from a player and a spectators point of view bar the odd few. This needs to be rectified at central council level. What do players enjoy most?? Playing matches. If I had my way I'd like to see all counties limited to 6 hours per week with players and absolutely no starred fixtures.  Players can train at a amateur level which is what they are amateurs,then have a competitive game of football at the weekend which is what a Gaelic football lives for. This way I believe you would get your full pick of players without the professional demands of them and more importantly back enjoying the game like they should.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Down Way on June 26, 2016, 10:57:40 PM
Disgraceful behaviour?

The only disgrace here is that these clowns are allowed to stay in these positions. I have made my feelings known to him on a number of occasions and I can assure you I am not alone in that regard.

These jobs seem to be a job for life, the same old faces sharing the same positions, while they are only nodding dogs for Sean og. Yes we have a new chairman, fat lot of good that did. Nothing has changed.

If nothing else the current position in down shows a distinct lack of ambition, at all levels and while I am not saying I am the man to take Down forward I can guarantee you that I will remove him from his position. Where else would you get it, a guaranteed income, while being totally unaccountable.

If Sean og wants to bring this all out in public then let's get it on, let's invite the public, the supporters club, club down, Jim McCorry, Shane Mulholland, the whole shebang. Maybe someone will have the decency to ring Marty Clarke as well. While we are at it why not ask Jim Wells, the planning office and that black hole in our finances that is Burrenbridge. Paddy Kielty can host the event, he did such a wonderful job at the 2010 banquet, sure it's hard to beat a bit of casual racism while we are at it.
Will the Canal Court still have us, I know I'm welcome there, not sure Sean og still is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AS on June 26, 2016, 11:04:14 PM
Quote from: The Down Way on June 26, 2016, 10:57:40 PM
Disgraceful behaviour?

The only disgrace here is that these clowns are allowed to stay in these positions. I have made my feelings known to him on a number of occasions and I can assure you I am not alone in that regard.

These jobs seem to be a job for life, the same old faces sharing the same positions, while they are only nodding dogs for Sean og. Yes we have a new chairman, fat lot of good that did. Nothing has changed.

If nothing else the current position in down shows a distinct lack of ambition, at all levels and while I am not saying I am the man to take Down forward I can guarantee you that I will remove him from his position. Where else would you get it, a guaranteed income, while being totally unaccountable.

If Sean og wants to bring this all out in public then let's get it on, let's invite the public, the supporters club, club down, Jim McCorry, Shane Mulholland, the whole shebang. Maybe someone will have the decency to ring Marty Clarke as well. While we are at it why not ask Jim Wells, the planning office and that black hole in our finances that is Burrenbridge. Paddy Kielty can host the event, he did such a wonderful job at the 2010 banquet, sure it's hard to beat a bit of casual racism while we are at it.
Will the Canal Court still have us, I know I'm welcome there, not sure Sean og still is.
So you guarantee you are going to sort this all out!Let's start it all off by naming yourself as you seem to have named everyone who'll be at this public event except yourself.Name please or keep quiet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Down Way on June 26, 2016, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: AS on June 26, 2016, 11:04:14 PM
Quote from: The Down Way on June 26, 2016, 10:57:40 PM
Disgraceful behaviour?

The only disgrace here is that these clowns are allowed to stay in these positions. I have made my feelings known to him on a number of occasions and I can assure you I am not alone in that regard.

These jobs seem to be a job for life, the same old faces sharing the same positions, while they are only nodding dogs for Sean og. Yes we have a new chairman, fat lot of good that did. Nothing has changed.

If nothing else the current position in down shows a distinct lack of ambition, at all levels and while I am not saying I am the man to take Down forward I can guarantee you that I will remove him from his position. Where else would you get it, a guaranteed income, while being totally unaccountable.

If Sean og wants to bring this all out in public then let's get it on, let's invite the public, the supporters club, club down, Jim McCorry, Shane Mulholland, the whole shebang. Maybe someone will have the decency to ring Marty Clarke as well. While we are at it why not ask Jim Wells, the planning office and that black hole in our finances that is Burrenbridge. Paddy Kielty can host the event, he did such a wonderful job at the 2010 banquet, sure it's hard to beat a bit of casual racism while we are at it.
Will the Canal Court still have us, I know I'm welcome there, not sure Sean og still is.
So you guarantee you are going to sort this all out!Let's start it all off by naming yourself as you seem to have named everyone who'll be at this public event except yourself.Name please or keep quiet.

The only guarantee that I am giving is that Sean og will be out of a job in the not too distant future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 26, 2016, 11:17:22 PM
What other county secretary is on the pitch with the players and management?? It wouldn't happen in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AS on June 26, 2016, 11:21:34 PM
Quote from: The Down Way on June 26, 2016, 11:12:04 PM
Quote from: AS on June 26, 2016, 11:04:14 PM
Quote from: The Down Way on June 26, 2016, 10:57:40 PM
Disgraceful behaviour?

The only disgrace here is that these clowns are allowed to stay in these positions. I have made my feelings known to him on a number of occasions and I can assure you I am not alone in that regard.

These jobs seem to be a job for life, the same old faces sharing the same positions, while they are only nodding dogs for Sean og. Yes we have a new chairman, fat lot of good that did. Nothing has changed.

If nothing else the current position in down shows a distinct lack of ambition, at all levels and while I am not saying I am the man to take Down forward I can guarantee you that I will remove him from his position. Where else would you get it, a guaranteed income, while being totally unaccountable.

If Sean og wants to bring this all out in public then let's get it on, let's invite the public, the supporters club, club down, Jim McCorry, Shane Mulholland, the whole shebang. Maybe someone will have the decency to ring Marty Clarke as well. While we are at it why not ask Jim Wells, the planning office and that black hole in our finances that is Burrenbridge. Paddy Kielty can host the event, he did such a wonderful job at the 2010 banquet, sure it's hard to beat a bit of casual racism while we are at it.
Will the Canal Court still have us, I know I'm welcome there, not sure Sean og still is.
So you guarantee you are going to sort this all out!Let's start it all off by naming yourself as you seem to have named everyone who'll be at this public event except yourself.Name please or keep quiet.

The only guarantee that I am giving is that Sean og will be out of a job in the not too distant future.
It's your name that would be required to give your rantings some credibility
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Down Way on June 26, 2016, 11:24:56 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 26, 2016, 11:17:22 PM
What other county secretary is on the pitch with the players and management?? It wouldn't happen in Tyrone.

It wouldn't happen in any other county.

It stops now.

#SackChuckyNed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AS on June 26, 2016, 11:32:03 PM
Quote from: The Down Way on June 26, 2016, 11:24:56 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 26, 2016, 11:17:22 PM
What other county secretary is on the pitch with the players and management?? It wouldn't happen in Tyrone.

It wouldn't happen in any other county.

It stops now.

#SackChuckyNed
Name please or delete yourself from this forum
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on June 27, 2016, 12:03:13 AM
I asked a question this morning on this thread but not surprisingly no one had an answer.

The Down Way and Cut The Crap youse are both a disgrace to the GAA. 

You attack one individual, promising  and guaranteeing to ring the changes and attacking the entire person of a longstanding gael. Youse should be totally ashamed of yourselves.

IF...and I say IF..you have remote credibility you will be afforded the chance to represent your views and your club at the next convention then please wait until then until you work your magic and begin the quest of returning Down to its previous glories.

What you will find is that there is no finance to support your aspiration and if do, you need to try to find a few Blaneys , Arkles or Mc Cartans. Good luck by the way with that!!

Put up or shut up. All you are doing is perpetuating a myth that there are a few budding Che Guevaras in the midst when the liklihood is that you wouldn't even have credibility in your own club. But feel free to prove me and the proud county of Down wrong.

I don't think so....but as previously asked feel free to outline just a few of your credentials.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 27, 2016, 07:43:51 AM
Bannside I have the creditionals , having played football at div 1 level winning league and championship and have served on committees and have been successful in business for 25 plus years, now I'm no Che Guevara but I am calling for change at the top, why wait to the county convention , time to change key positions is now, our secretary should go , I'm not attacking Sean og on a personal basis , he maybe a Gael but he is not fit for purpose in his current post , you also stated we have no finance, it's no wonder when we threw away 550 k and what is even more jaw dropping is that some of the men involved in Burrenbridge are still sitting in the executive and our secretary had an integral part in it, and they sit smugly grinning at the top table as if nothing happened.We can't pay players expenses on time, referees on time and prizes won in the county monthly draw , the latter is an absolute disgrace and hardly shows the draw in good light.The question on unearthing quality players, well that's a priority of year current development squad system in conjunction with the schools, that will take time , but it's now time for change , call the meeting Sean og lets sort this out and invite everyone who has a vested interest in Down football,there you go Bannside , no one has rediculed Sean og on a personal basis or called into question his credidentials as a Gael just his absolute shambolic career as our county secretary.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PaudieSull1 on June 27, 2016, 10:10:36 AM
Cut the crap just a couple of things.....I note you say sort out Down football and there was me thinking that we were the GAA and it involved all codes but not surprised at that given some of your other spouting.

A couple of points I would make

- you are constantly berating Sean Og about lack of finance......you are aware that it wasn't him but two other individuals who were primarily responsible for the Burrenbridge fiasco.....those are the men whose ineptitude but us in this financial position which makes it incredibly difficult to invest in what is required.....until we sort the legacy of the Burrenbridge bill we will always be struggling, that is the reality and we are doing well to be able to keep our heads above water at all.

- is Sean Og well paid??? I'm assuming the role is paid in Euro so about 45000 stg based on croke park figures....,working seven days a week including meetings etc at night, constantly on call etc, likely 80-90 hrs a week.....put it in that context then I'm not sure I'd say he is very well paid......there are other paid officials I'd be looking at first such as the coaches to see what exactly they are doing.

- are we sure it's all the county exec fault??? What are the clubs and schools doing.....much us made of Dublin and their money etc but most people don't realise that the clubs are the real driving force in Dublin, they are half funding every coach employed .....how many clubs in Down are doing that or are willing to do it, it's alright moaning about the exec (albeit we should be holding the real men responsible for Burrenbridge to account and not constantly berating those dealing with the legacy).....I would agree the county exec need to do more to set the strategy but that has started with academy etc but the clubs need to buy in and commit nit withholding players like they often do to win an underage league etc so they can be king of the dung heap!

- players expenses etc are a problem in almost every county in Ireland, I know as I hear it first hand and it's primarily due to cash flow and lack of the same....hopefully Croker have plans in situ to address shortly but let's not pretend it's a problem isolated to Down alone....a big issue in many counties why players can't get expenses us that the managers and coaches are getting paid so much....laughable to see people at times giving out about starred games and access to county players, nothing to do with player welfare and all to do with managers watching their own results to justify their brown envelope at the end of the week

There are a lot of things we can and must do better in this county but abusing Sean Og on this board and using him as a scapegoat for deep rooted issues in Down gaa is wrong......maybe we need to accept that the 60s and  early 90s were the exception and not the norm, God knows we haven't won a massive amount outside of that so it might be we need to lower our expect ions for a while to a realistic level and build from the ground up on a sustainable basis that involves clubs, players and county in partnership but thinking that changing the exec on mass is the answer is knee jerk, short sighted and you ignore the fact that they there are virtually no contested positions on exec year after year....easy to snipe from sidelines but not many seem willing to step up

Ps I had a number of teams/squads in both carrickdale and canal court this year so think you should remove your comments about canal court and Sean Og as it's clearly incorrect and libellous
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 27, 2016, 10:25:07 AM
Quote from: PaudieSull1 on June 27, 2016, 10:10:36 AM
Cut the crap just a couple of things.....I note you say sort out Down football and there was me thinking that we were the GAA and it involved all codes but not surprised at that given some of your other spouting.

A couple of points I would make

- you are constantly berating Sean Og about lack of finance......you are aware that it wasn't him but two other individuals who were primarily responsible for the Burrenbridge fiasco.....those are the men whose ineptitude but us in this financial position which makes it incredibly difficult to invest in what is required.....until we sort the legacy of the Burrenbridge bill we will always be struggling, that is the reality and we are doing well to be able to keep our heads above water at all.

- is Sean Og well paid??? I'm assuming the role is paid in Euro so about 45000 stg based on croke park figures....,working seven days a week including meetings etc at night, constantly on call etc, likely 80-90 hrs a week.....put it in that context then I'm not sure I'd say he is very well paid......there are other paid officials I'd be looking at first such as the coaches to see what exactly they are doing.

- are we sure it's all the county exec fault??? What are the clubs and schools doing.....much us made of Dublin and their money etc but most people don't realise that the clubs are the real driving force in Dublin, they are half funding every coach employed .....how many clubs in Down are doing that or are willing to do it, it's alright moaning about the exec (albeit we should be holding the real men responsible for Burrenbridge to account and not constantly berating those dealing with the legacy).....I would agree the county exec need to do more to set the strategy but that has started with academy etc but the clubs need to buy in and commit nit withholding players like they often do to win an underage league etc so they can be king of the dung heap!

- players expenses etc are a problem in almost every county in Ireland, I know as I hear it first hand and it's primarily due to cash flow and lack of the same....hopefully Croker have plans in situ to address shortly but let's not pretend it's a problem isolated to Down alone....a big issue in many counties why players can't get expenses us that the managers and coaches are getting paid so much....laughable to see people at times giving out about starred games and access to county players, nothing to do with player welfare and all to do with managers watching their own results to justify their brown envelope at the end of the week

There are a lot of things we can and must do better in this county but abusing Sean Og on this board and using him as a scapegoat for deep rooted issues in Down gaa is wrong......maybe we need to accept that the 60s and  early 90s were the exception and not the norm, God knows we haven't won a massive amount outside of that so it might be we need to lower our expect ions for a while to a realistic level and build from the ground up on a sustainable basis that involves clubs, players and county in partnership but thinking that changing the exec on mass is the answer is knee jerk, short sighted and you ignore the fact that they there are virtually no contested positions on exec year after year....easy to snipe from sidelines but not many seem willing to step up

Ps I had a number of teams/squads in both carrickdale and canal court this year so think you should remove your comments about canal court and Sean Og as it's clearly incorrect and libellous
At last, someone from official Down speaks back at the snipers but carefully worded in the piece is a snipe at a couple of our current County Officers. They better watch out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Verticalball on June 27, 2016, 10:53:20 AM
I have to say that the personal attack on Seán Óg is completely unfair and has crossed a line, not for the first time. The majority of us want the same thing which is a competitive county team and that means that the best players in the county must be on the field. The main reasons as to why that is not happening are well documented, be it that players are not being approached, are unwilling to commit for whatever reason or feel unable to commit. That's not a criticism of the lads who are playing at the minute. No doubt a few more players will look at things and wonder what is the point. The abuse some people were shouting from the stand on Saturday wouldn't make anyone want to pull on a Down jersey. Morale is low among county players and Tomás Ó Sé made a few excellent points through the week, regarding the Irish players being able to celebrate the Win over Italy with a beer while gaa players would be cut from club panels, never mind county, for doing the same in an amateur sport. If there is no enjoyment to be had in doing something people will simply stop doing it. That is a bigger issue for the county board and the GAA to deal with. Slagging off Seán Óg, management or players gets us nowhere. No doubt changes will come but new ideas and positive thinking is needed. There is plenty of potential within the county yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Down Way on June 27, 2016, 10:54:49 AM
Nothing but deflection from the "new" poster, so it was others who are responsible for Burrenbridge, and it's the fault of the coaches, why not blame the caterers and the bus driver while you are at it. The buck stops with Sean og, but we need a complete root and branch reform when he goes, we need to get rid of the nodding dogs and hangers on who have allowed this debacle to continue. It should be an honour to represent your county both on the field and off it. Good people are staying away at all levels because these idiots are running what is essentially a closed shop.

#SackChuckyNed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PaudieSull1 on June 27, 2016, 10:57:01 AM
Nothing official about me Wobbler....don't hold or even go to county board meetings but some of the nonsense on here needs challenged, we all want the county team doing better but some of what's being posted here is just wrong and factually incorrect.

Last yr we could have easily ended up in a relegation battle in Div 2 but scraped some late wins v the likes of Kildare which pushed us up the table and led to us being promoted into a division we all knew would be too challenging for us........Saturday was disappointing no doubt but when half of our most capable players won't commit it certainly doesn't help
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Down Way on June 27, 2016, 11:49:09 AM
Our most capable players won commit because the whole set up is a complete clusterfuck. It is the nonsense to hat goes on with our county board that needs challenged. The paying public are staying away from games, our best players don't want to play, we couldn't even get anyone to manage us. Sean og telling us that we got our man was like a bad panto in Warrenpoint town hall. Oh no you didn't Sean, no one else wanted it, especially not after the way you treated Jim McCorry.

This needed doing over the last number of years, if we wait any longer we will be in Division 4. Act now for the good of Down football and indeed our hurlers, but make the changes now. We need a new approach, new people with new ideas, not the same old cliches wheeled out year after year. Bring in an interim committee to set the wheels in motion, the old guard have had their day, they have failed. They have to go.

It is clear that Sean og has little or no dignity left, if  he has to be dragged kicking and screaming then that is how it will be. But his days as county secretary are at an end. It is clear that he has become very out of touch with the mood of the Down people.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2016, 12:13:44 PM
What role does the county secretary have along the line?
Is he actually part of the management team or carry out an tangible role that contributes to the on-field business.
Why is he in and around the team huddle on the field at half-time of extra time?
Is this the norm for county secretaries?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AS on June 27, 2016, 01:08:16 PM
Quote from: The Down Way on June 27, 2016, 11:49:09 AM
Our most capable players won commit because the whole set up is a complete clusterfuck. It is the nonsense to hat goes on with our county board that needs challenged. The paying public are staying away from games, our best players don't want to play, we couldn't even get anyone to manage us. Sean og telling us that we got our man was like a bad panto in Warrenpoint town hall. Oh no you didn't Sean, no one else wanted it, especially not after the way you treated Jim McCorry.

This needed doing over the last number of years, if we wait any longer we will be in Division 4. Act now for the good of Down football and indeed our hurlers, but make the changes now. We need a new approach, new people with new ideas, not the same old cliches wheeled out year after year. Bring in an interim committee to set the wheels in motion, the old guard have had their day, they have failed. They have to go.

It is clear that Sean og has little or no dignity left, if  he has to be dragged kicking and screaming then that is how it will be. But his days as county secretary are at an end. It is clear that he has become very out of touch with the mood of the Down people.
Plain enough to know who cut the crap is but it would help if you could name yourself and may be that people will row in behind you but to come out with all this vitriol against one person is just wrong and dare I say cowardly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 27, 2016, 03:31:28 PM
Quote from: AS on June 27, 2016, 01:08:16 PM
Quote from: The Down Way on June 27, 2016, 11:49:09 AM
Our most capable players won commit because the whole set up is a complete clusterfuck. It is the nonsense to hat goes on with our county board that needs challenged. The paying public are staying away from games, our best players don't want to play, we couldn't even get anyone to manage us. Sean og telling us that we got our man was like a bad panto in Warrenpoint town hall. Oh no you didn't Sean, no one else wanted it, especially not after the way you treated Jim McCorry.

This needed doing over the last number of years, if we wait any longer we will be in Division 4. Act now for the good of Down football and indeed our hurlers, but make the changes now. We need a new approach, new people with new ideas, not the same old cliches wheeled out year after year. Bring in an interim committee to set the wheels in motion, the old guard have had their day, they have failed. They have to go.

It is clear that Sean og has little or no dignity left, if  he has to be dragged kicking and screaming then that is how it will be. But his days as county secretary are at an end. It is clear that he has become very out of touch with the mood of the Down people.
Plain enough to know who cut the crap is but it would help if you could name yourself and may be that people will row in behind you but to come out with all this vitriol against one person is just wrong and dare I say cowardly.
Aye,we,ll all give our identity.Wise up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 27, 2016, 06:46:02 PM
To the new poster who I believe to be a member of the nodding dog brigade , I have never mentioned the canal court on this forum who I believe have been invaluable in its support of Down football , you may have got me mixed up with another poster who thought Sean og wouldn't be welcomed in the Canal Court , I know nothing on that subject, I have never questioned his ability to administer indeed I have commented on his good to work ethic, however when you have someone in charge who has presided over disaster after disaster , there is no other option but to get rid of that person if they choose to doggly cling on to their position , and there are some on here who claim to know me , so what I will stand up and say it how it is , we need change , we need it now , and if it gets messy then so be it , it's now time for an open meeting , if you along with the nodding dog brigade have Down footballs interests at heart you will call this meeting, failure to do so shows a self preservation and interest that is at best shameful and finally to the Richard head who asked me for my credentials , what's yours p***k.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on June 27, 2016, 07:59:00 PM
Some fluff being spouted on these pages recently. Serious keyboard warriors  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 27, 2016, 08:27:12 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on June 27, 2016, 07:59:00 PM
Some fluff being spouted on these pages recently. Serious keyboard warriors  :o
Mostly correct but 2 of these warriors are seriously out of order.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PaudieSull1 on June 27, 2016, 10:39:28 PM
Cut the crap I'm no nodding dog and I can guarentee you I know just as much about the GAA (all codes....you do know there is more than one don't you?) and indeed business as you do but some of what you are posting and saying about people is just wrong and incorrect.

If Sean Og is to blame for the last couple of years on the football field in assuming you will be giving him the credit for reaching all Ireland in 2010, the Ulster final in 2012, winning the Christy Ring in 2013 etc etc as you can't have it both ways.

The way people are talking here you would swear Down were winning ulster and all Ireland's every 2/3 yrs when that has never been the case......we won in 1994 and it took another 16 yrs to get back to a final.....prior to 1991 our previous all Ireland was 1968....maybe we aren't as good as we think and we need to rebuild our approach like we are trying to do with the academy etc but to try blame one man for all Down's woes is not only wrong but misses the whole point that the exec as a whole, the clubs, the schools all have a responsibility here but starting a bitter blood letting is going to get us nowhere........

Armagh got rid of their administrator but they are hardly going great guns, relegated to Div3, beat by a poor Laois team and unable to field at weekend in Ulster minor hurling championsip
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 27, 2016, 11:57:11 PM
Let's not get into names just yet, let's start with part of down poster is from , then clubs, unless previously advised, be interesting to see where the support for our current nodding dog team and their leader is coming from, nothing too vitriolic there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 28, 2016, 08:24:35 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 27, 2016, 11:57:11 PM
Let's not get into names just yet, let's start with part of down poster is from , then clubs, unless previously advised, be interesting to see where the support for our current nodding dog team and their leader is coming from, nothing too vitriolic there
"Unless previously advised.""Wise up! Support comes from the Clubs and the nodding dog from your own Club probably voted in the nodding dogs that you speak of around the top table. Go see him/her and you'll get your answer. Your mention of "nothing too vitriolic there"is a bit late after the dribble you're been spouting all year.
   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2016, 08:34:27 AM
I think you mean drivel.

But please continue.
Riveting stuff.

Whats a chuckyned?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 28, 2016, 08:46:34 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2016, 08:34:27 AM
I think you mean drivel.

But please continue.
Riveting stuff.

Whats a chuckyned?
Dribble vs. drivel
One definition of drivel is senseless talk or content. Dribble's main noun definition, outside sports, is a small, unsteady stream. The words almost converge where drivel, in a secondary sense,means to slobber or drool (drool being a sort of small, unsteady stream), and this perhaps has something to do with dribble sometimes being used in place of drivel in the senseless talk sense. The mixup is common, but the words are generally kept separate in edited writing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAAHEAD1960 on June 28, 2016, 11:00:53 AM
Quote from: wobbller on June 28, 2016, 08:46:34 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2016, 08:34:27 AM
I think you mean drivel.

But please continue.
Riveting stuff.

Whats a chuckyned?
Dribble vs. drivel
One definition of drivel is senseless talk or content. Dribble's main noun definition, outside sports, is a small, unsteady stream. The words almost converge where drivel, in a secondary sense,means to slobber or drool (drool being a sort of small, unsteady stream), and this perhaps has something to do with dribble sometimes being used in place of drivel in the senseless talk sense. The mixup is common, but the words are generally kept separate in edited writing.

Lol, this discussion board has hit an all time low.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 28, 2016, 12:20:09 PM
Quote from: GAAHEAD1960 on June 28, 2016, 11:00:53 AM
Quote from: wobbller on June 28, 2016, 08:46:34 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 28, 2016, 08:34:27 AM
I think you mean drivel.

But please continue.
Riveting stuff.

Whats a chuckyned?
Dribble vs. drivel
One definition of drivel is senseless talk or content. Dribble's main noun definition, outside sports, is a small, unsteady stream. The words almost converge where drivel, in a secondary sense,means to slobber or drool (drool being a sort of small, unsteady stream), and this perhaps has something to do with dribble sometimes being used in place of drivel in the senseless talk sense. The mixup is common, but the words are generally kept separate in edited writing.

Lol, this discussion board has hit an all time low.
You've made a great contribution yourself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on June 28, 2016, 04:31:21 PM
Did anyone get up to the 1916-2016 Centenary Cup and Shield Finals in Newry on Sunday evening??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 28, 2016, 05:40:11 PM
Were there any positives from Saturdays game?
To my mind I thought Barry O Hagan was brilliant. O'Hare may have scored two goals, but O'Hagan was the real danger man, someone who, every time he got the ball, got you out of your seat.  A real throwback to old school corner forward play. 
O'Hare obviously was super as well and a sprinkling of other players performed well at times e.g Mallon, Maginn.

We really were destroyed defensively though, despite having two sweepers at times, and wholesale changes needed here in tactics, personnel, mentality - something needs to change.

Kickouts were once again a disaster, although not quite as bad as Clones.  Serious time needs spent on a strategy here, even if its as simple as get our 2/3 biggest players together and kick it out to them, because the amount of times Down kick to 1 v 3 against is unreal.

The bottom line is we are in the doldrums, no question. Can it get any worse - I dont think so when we havent won a game all year.  We really do need the whole county to come together in order to get out of this. Co Board, Clubs, Players, Coaches, Schools, underage and senior.  We need ideas, we need finance, we need commitment, we need passion, and we need a plan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on June 28, 2016, 06:06:45 PM
Read that Down are close to 1.5m quid in debt?  And that they havent paid the referee's their expenses since march? Place is in a bad state!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on June 28, 2016, 10:08:03 PM
Are any of those who created the Burrenbridge financial catastrophe still involved with the County Board?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on June 28, 2016, 10:50:17 PM
Folks, time to change from yapping and blaming one or a few individuals ans look to move forward. At the rate we are turning on each other there'll be no Down men left.

We all make mistakes and some more costly than others but time to go forward.

Few ideas (that might be pie in sky but I'll take a punt)

1) Regarding the debt - request that Central council park defer payments for 2-3 years, offer Newry up as a neutral ground for bigger games (clubs will supply stewards etc FOC, Down let the gates go back to Dublin against debt)

2) Each club to nominate a potential manager/management team (with the agreement of those nominated) - Those selected or shortlisted should then present on their plan ahead. Vote system (transparent to all involved)

3) Clubs or club managers to nominate opposing players who have stood out in club games this year. (As per O'Reilly all stars) players then play through selection process over 3-4 in house games. County management should welcome this and facilitate it as selection.

4) All clubs to encourage players to go and in turn support county team in terms of Physio support etc for their players.

5) Club games go ahead with county players with a ten day rule for National league playoff or Championship games. NFL games 7 day rule.

6) player gym programmes to be set out and players allowed to do this at home club and assessed ongoing to alleviate time demand.

Maybe I'm mental but have to start thinking constructively
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 28, 2016, 11:43:26 PM
Paudi and co answer me this, do you feel it's still ok to go with the old guard that has brought us to the point of financial ruin, referees aren't paid on time, county players don't get their expenses , county prize winners have to wait on their prizes.
The same old guard have watched , some from the sideline with the county manager ,as this county has dropped further and further behind other counties.
The same old guard hired a super manager in Jim McCorry but because he doesn't conform to The Down Way he gets fired , and I hasten to add not by the club reps but ultimately by the county executive comprised of The old guard
And in case you haven't cottoned on yet , until there is a change in the old guard I will keep hammering on about Burrenbridge,the hiring and firing of managers, the absence of somewhere we can call a centre for our county teams to train etc etc
Forever green brought up a few interesting points about suitable candidates for managerial posts and unearthing new talent, maybe the readers of these posts should take heed.
Last point about Armagh , they removed their full time secretary and yes they have fallen from grace but their minors beat us, their u21 s gave us a savage beating and their seniors are ahead of us ,I think the post is too big for one person, have 2 positions with a goal annual salary equal to what's been paid at present, first position responsible for all matters involving coaching and football and accompanying logistics, the other post responsible for finance, raising finance , talking to corporate sponsors etc, this way one person can't meddle in everything and can't be blamed for everything and can't take the credit for everything.I hope no one is offended in any way but if any do take offence there is obviously a reason so please elaborate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PaudieSull1 on June 29, 2016, 09:07:03 AM
Was Jim Mc Crory a super manager????? He had the most talented club team in Down yet failed to win the Ulster club championship once......winning Down titles with that Kilcoo team is no massive boast.....good club manager agreed but not sure I'd use the word super to describe him, but your use of that word is telling.

Down were haunted last year in 2/3 of their league games, a bounce of the ball the other way and we could easily have been in the Div 2 relagation fight as opposed to the promotion play off were we were exposed by Roscommon just as we were in both championship games last year.......we are talking about no money and players expenses etc but the previous management team were costing an absolute fortune in what is meant to be an amateur game......I don't think the mc Crory episode was well handled but let's remember only a narrow majority of clubs voted to keep him so it was hardly the ringing endorsement you are alluding to.

What is the point about hammering on about Burrenbridge we all know it was a total f@ck up but you are seeking to blame the wrong people for it, that's my big issue as the current secretary and chairman are actually trying to clear up a mess they didn't create which us hampering everything the county is trying to do as Croke Park now own the debt and Down have to pay them back every month as well as have all their spending supervised.....that is the reality which the county need to deal with and that won't change no matter who is on the Exec....don't fool yourself otherwise

As for Armagh, they choose not to re-appoint a secretary/administrator who the previous term was up, clearly their choice but Down didn't select that option and re-appointed thus removing someone from a post were they have been selected and appointed by Croke Park is going to be very difficult.....assume you understand the concept of employment law etc......this could all get very messy and for what outcome, will we really be any better off

Simple question if the county exec is the sole source of all our woes which you and couple of others are suggesting then our club scene would be flourishing relative to our peers in Ulster so simple question how many club Ulster titles have Down teams won at senior or minor in last 10 yrs????? Surely the Exec can and must do better but clubs, schools etc all need to look in mirror and reflect on their contribution as well

This scapegoating 1/2 people like a few posters are doing is missing the whole point and failing to recognise the reality of the situation we find ourselves in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on June 29, 2016, 09:29:20 AM
Quote from: PaudieSull1 on June 29, 2016, 09:07:03 AM
Was Jim Mc Crory a super manager????? He had the most talented club team in Down yet failed to win the Ulster club championship once......winning Down titles with that Kilcoo team is no massive boast.....good club manager agreed but not sure I'd use the word super to describe him, but your use of that word is telling.

Down were haunted last year in 2/3 of their league games, a bounce of the ball the other way and we could easily have been in the Div 2 relagation fight as opposed to the promotion play off were we were exposed by Roscommon just as we were in both championship games last year.......we are talking about no money and players expenses etc but the previous management team were costing an absolute fortune in what is meant to be an amateur game......I don't think the mc Crory episode was well handled but let's remember only a narrow majority of clubs voted to keep him so it was hardly the ringing endorsement you are alluding to.

What is the point about hammering on about Burrenbridge we all know it was a total f@ck up but you are seeking to blame the wrong people for it, that's my big issue as the current secretary and chairman are actually trying to clear up a mess they didn't create which us hampering everything the county is trying to do as Croke Park now own the debt and Down have to pay them back every month as well as have all their spending supervised.....that is the reality which the county need to deal with and that won't change no matter who is on the Exec....don't fool yourself otherwise

As for Armagh, they choose not to re-appoint a secretary/administrator who the previous term was up, clearly their choice but Down didn't select that option and re-appointed thus removing someone from a post were they have been selected and appointed by Croke Park is going to be very difficult.....assume you understand the concept of employment law etc......this could all get very messy and for what outcome, will we really be any better off

Simple question if the county exec is the sole source of all our woes which you and couple of others are suggesting then our club scene would be flourishing relative to our peers in Ulster so simple question how many club Ulster titles have Down teams won at senior or minor in last 10 yrs????? Surely the Exec can and must do better but clubs, schools etc all need to look in mirror and reflect on their contribution as well

This scapegoating 1/2 people like a few posters are doing is missing the whole point and failing to recognise the reality of the situation we find ourselves in

How many have Donegal or Tyrone won in the same period?


Edit: Picked your point up wrong, know what you're trying to say now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Down Way on June 29, 2016, 10:10:22 AM
David Cameron had the decency to resign after the UK voted to leave the EU.
Roy Hodgson had a resignation speech prepared before the Iceland game and did the decent thing after a humiliating defeat.
Sean og does not have an ounce of decency. We have suffered humiliating defeats over the last number of years but everyone else has had to take the long walk off the short plank except Chucky Ned. We have become cannon fodder for the bigger teams and whipping boys for minnows.
As stated earlier our county finances are an absolute disgrace, we are close to £2m in the red. Players and referees are waiting on their expenses and the county draw/tax is a shambles.

He has to go. There has to be a sweetie shop somewhere in the county that he can run into the ground.  #SackChuckyNed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 29, 2016, 11:44:29 AM
Youre going to achieve nothing by being abusive and disrespectful as an anonymous poster on an internet discussion forum.
Surely you understand that integrity and credibility are key when youre trying to sell your points to the masses and at the minute you lack in both areas.
Any valid points you may inadvertently make are completely overshadowed by the tone and delivery of your language.

Id imagine your most recent reincarnation will probably end in another ban shortly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AS on June 29, 2016, 12:01:46 PM
Quote from: The Down Way on June 29, 2016, 10:10:22 AM
David Cameron had the decency to resign after the UK voted to leave the EU.
Roy Hodgson had a resignation speech prepared before the Iceland game and did the decent thing after a humiliating defeat.
Sean og does not have an ounce of decency. We have suffered humiliating defeats over the last number of years but everyone else has had to take the long walk off the short plank except Chucky Ned. We have become cannon fodder for the bigger teams and whipping boys for minnows.
As stated earlier our county finances are an absolute disgrace, we are close to £2m in the red. Players and referees are waiting on their expenses and the county draw/tax is a shambles.

He has to go. There has to be a sweetie shop somewhere in the county that he can run into the ground.  #SackChuckyNed
How's your own business doing these days?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 29, 2016, 06:09:12 PM
AS so tell

Some rubbish posted on here of late

We are where we are at the minute let's deal with it

The big question is do we stick with the current management team or not?

What's the pros and cons of sticking ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnny McCumiskey on June 29, 2016, 06:11:26 PM
Well said PaudieSull1 , a lot of things very true in that post
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on June 29, 2016, 06:49:14 PM
Time for some people here to Cut the Crap. Ridiculous amount of personal abuse.  Could get very messy for some due to the amount of slander and innuendo. My advice for some is to back off and take your challenge through the legitimate channels and see how that goes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on June 29, 2016, 10:13:37 PM
One puppeteer used for pull the strings for Sooty and Sweep; looks like two county board puppeteers are pulling the strings for PaudieSull1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AS on June 29, 2016, 10:18:34 PM
Quote from: bannside on June 29, 2016, 06:49:14 PM
Time for some people here to Cut the Crap. Ridiculous amount of personal abuse.  Could get very messy for some due to the amount of slander and innuendo. My advice for some is to back off and take your challenge through the legitimate channels and see how that goes.
Not bad advice there Bannside but the problem with it,is that some of these people are not even actual Club members therefore they have no channel in which to follow through with their so called challenge and take to the keyboard anonymously to vent their poisonous thoughts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PaudieSull1 on June 29, 2016, 11:28:22 PM
Nobody pulling my strings Saulzer but sick of seeing keyboard warriors spouting rubbish and bile here.....if some of you knew anything about how the GAA is run then you would understand that some of the rub bush being spouted here us simply that rubbish......nobody us happy with how Down performed thus year or indeed last year but some if the blame game here is nonsensical never mind being highly personal and inaccurate.

Simple question what would ye do to deal with the Burrenbridge debt.....Croke Park aren't just going to write it off, let's hear the great ideas instead if simply blaming those who are trying to deal with the situation........let's not forget county boards up and down the country are all struggling financial mainly due to the crazy outlays on inter county teams driven by egotistic and greedy management teams....Eamonn Burns may not be the greatest manager but at least he isn't ripping off the county unlike some other managers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 30, 2016, 12:16:18 AM
Ah well , let's continue the way we are, sure the situation will fix itself,there will be a few pound coming into the county accounts to pay all the o/s prizes from the forthcoming county championship, the county team expenses won't be that much as we are out early again and our lack of cash flow will be sorted.
You just couldn't make it up,sometimes fact is stranger than fiction.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on June 30, 2016, 07:50:39 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 30, 2016, 12:16:18 AM
Ah well , let's continue the way we are, sure the situation will fix itself,there will be a few pound coming into the county accounts to pay all the o/s prizes from the forthcoming county championship, the county team expenses won't be that much as we are out early again and our lack of cash flow will be sorted.
You just couldn't make it up,sometimes fact is stranger than fiction.

Maybe you would take a go at answering Paudi's question on how to deal with the debt, rather than going off on another idiotic, meaningless rant   ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Down Way on June 30, 2016, 08:09:13 AM
Quote from: PaudieSull1 on June 29, 2016, 11:28:22 PM
Eamonn Burns may not be the greatest manager but at least he isn't ripping off the county unlike some other managers

I suppose that really is The Down Way, summed up in one sentence. Let's get rid of a man who, against all the odds, got us to Divison 1, because he wasn't providing value for money. It's all a matter of perspective, isn't it?
Is Sean og providing value for money? Or could his salary be put to better use within the county?
Maybe we could cut a few more corners, do the players really need fed after training, could they not use public transport to and from games? Maybe they should bring their own water. Tap water would be better for them anyway.

The people who ran up the debt are responsible for it, let them sort it. They were reckless with our finances. Does our county secretaries remit not cover finance or is his salary his only concern?

#SackChuckyNed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on June 30, 2016, 08:38:40 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 26, 2016, 10:47:23 PM
If it's personal abuse to say the county executive and highly paid secretary are inept then you should contact 99% of down supporters because everyone is saying the same. Years of mismanagement, years of ineptitude. Down are years behind the top teams in Ulster never mind Ireland. Everyone knows the stories of people and companies not being paid, we are complete laughing stock. These are the same people that overseen the burrenbridge fiasco!!! :(

Nailed it!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AS on June 30, 2016, 05:23:35 PM
Quote from: The Down Way on June 30, 2016, 08:09:13 AM
Quote from: PaudieSull1 on June 29, 2016, 11:28:22 PM
Eamonn Burns may not be the greatest manager but at least he isn't ripping off the county unlike some other managers

I suppose that really is The Down Way, summed up in one sentence. Let's get rid of a man who, against all the odds, got us to Divison 1, because he wasn't providing value for money. It's all a matter of perspective, isn't it?
Is Sean og providing value for money? Or could his salary be put to better use within the county?
Maybe we could cut a few more corners, do the players really need fed after training, could they not use public transport to and from games? Maybe they should bring their own water. Tap water would be better for them anyway.

The people who ran up the debt are responsible for it, let them sort it. They were reckless with our finances. Does our county secretaries remit not cover finance or is his salary his only concern?

#SackChuckyNed
So Business isn't too good at the minute?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on June 30, 2016, 06:35:46 PM
A bit quiet on here today schools most off finished 😉😉😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 30, 2016, 06:40:10 PM
Yeah I'd say MUST schools are finished now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on June 30, 2016, 10:22:05 PM
To all the nodding dogs , the puppets and the supporters of the Burrenbridge brigade, this is my suggestion of the way forward with our finances because if we can sort this subject out we maybe able to pay our bills on time and every time and propress the notion of a centre of excellence.
Firstly to take a step forward we have to realise where we are and why we got here.
When the Burrenbridge brigade decided to go of on a solo without the backing of the full county board and the support of Croke Park (this is key),they acted as if they were property moguls which they certainly werent and their inexperience in dealing with this type of deal ultimately lead us to losing 550k, coupled with the fact that 2 possibly 3 of them had failed in business, therefore in all probability they were never going to succeed, they were well intentioned but clueless .
But where you are now asking did the other 1million of debt come from, ah for that answer you would need a forensic accountant to examine the finances of Pairc Esler , i for one like many others paid a monthly amount for 5 yrs, no big deal but there were many who questioned where this money and the money of the club down then went, im not suggesting any skull duggery but more of mis management of resources.
So the men in charge suddenly needed a few bob to finish the job, in steps Croke Park and hey presto we get the job done, oh and Newry Shamrocks own the fecking thing, side issue.
Now back to Burrenbridge where we handed over a non refundable deposit of 425k ,and then threw125k in fees at it,back to Croke Park who knew nothing of what was going on and were not a bit pleased, so much so that we now pay 10k a month for the next 20yrs to Croke Park, but according to Sean og i mmean the executive we have a good deal, eh no we dont by my maths we will be paying 2.4miliion back how the f  k is that a good deal, our association made 56million profit  last year,so the answer is quite simple we as members ask for the loan to be interest free , we extend the term to 100yrs , paying 15k back a year not 120k , we can then begin to invest in our youth,and our training facilities and breathe a little.Now to succeed in a debt restructuring like this we need hard nosed business people skilled in the art of restructuring debt.
I know there are people reading this saying 100yrs catch yourself on but if we went to Croke park and told them this is it take it or leave, they cant kick us out, its either give us the money or accept the request , so there you have it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on June 30, 2016, 10:52:17 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on June 30, 2016, 10:22:05 PM
To all the nodding dogs , the puppets and the supporters of the Burrenbridge brigade, this is my suggestion of the way forward with our finances because if we can sort this subject out we maybe able to pay our bills on time and every time and propress the notion of a centre of excellence.
Firstly to take a step forward we have to realise where we are and why we got here.
When the Burrenbridge brigade decided to go of on a solo without the backing of the full county board and the support of Croke Park (this is key),they acted as if they were property moguls which they certainly werent and their inexperience in dealing with this type of deal ultimately lead us to losing 550k, coupled with the fact that 2 possibly 3 of them had failed in business, therefore in all probability they were never going to succeed, they were well intentioned but clueless .
But where you are now asking did the other 1million of debt come from, ah for that answer you would need a forensic accountant to examine the finances of Pairc Esler , i for one like many others paid a monthly amount for 5 yrs, no big deal but there were many who questioned where this money and the money of the club down then went, im not suggesting any skull duggery but more of mis management of resources.
So the men in charge suddenly needed a few bob to finish the job, in steps Croke Park and hey presto we get the job done, oh and Newry Shamrocks own the fecking thing, side issue.
Now back to Burrenbridge where we handed over a non refundable deposit of 425k ,and then threw125k in fees at it,back to Croke Park who knew nothing of what was going on and were not a bit pleased, so much so that we now pay 10k a month for the next 20yrs to Croke Park, but according to Sean og i mmean the executive we have a good deal, eh no we dont by my maths we will be paying 2.4miliion back how the f  k is that a good deal, our association made 56million profit  last year,so the answer is quite simple we as members ask for the loan to be interest free , we extend the term to 100yrs , paying 15k back a year not 120k , we can then begin to invest in our youth,and our training facilities and breathe a little.Now to succeed in a debt restructuring like this we need hard nosed business people skilled in the art of restructuring debt.
I know there are people reading this saying 100yrs catch yourself on but if we went to Croke park and told them this is it take it or leave, they cant kick us out, its either give us the money or accept the request , so there you have it.
Some good points there,would Croke Park buy that and indeed would Down push this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PaudieSull1 on June 30, 2016, 11:22:31 PM
Seriously do you think Croke Park would entertain that proposal???? Seriously you have a hell of a lot to learn about Croke Park and how they operate......don't pay them back then they simply withhold the grants for development squads, national league gate receipts etc etc.....I thought you would come up with some serious ideas and proposals rather than pie in the sky stuff.....as for nodding dogs I could have sworn a man central to the Burrenbridge fiasco was given a special award by the East Down clubs a couple of years ago.......so maybe the clubs need to reflect a bit on their actions .....

Whether we like it or not Croke Park is now a business run by people more akin to civil servants and our room for manoeuvre is extremely limited whether we like it or not.....easy to spout on a discussion board but the cold reality is very very different.....

As for players expenses and things like that, I can assure you that is problem throughout Ireland and confined to Down, far from it....main reason is cash flow for counties hence the GPA proposal that all player gear and expenses be managed centrally from Croke Park as they are the ones with the regular and consistent cash flow.....believe other counties such as Derry, Armagh, Mayo among others are all facing the same challenges....Roscommon, Kildare, Mayo have all restructured their finances with Croke Park support in recent years so let's stop making this out to be a problem that is confined to Down, far from it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on July 01, 2016, 08:15:00 AM
I agree with you Paudi on several points and maybe my proposal is pie in the sky but it is only a proposal, I've heard no other alternatives put on here , OK the damage is done we are all in agreement with that, it's how we fix it, it's obvious there is opposition to the removal of certain individuals and it will take time to dis lodge them , however in the interim we have to get this burden of paying 10k per month to Croke Park reduced, I'm not for one second saying we shirk from our responsibilities but we have to go to them with a feasible plan, otherwise we face financial ruin, with our monthly draw unable to pay the prizes out it will be a hard sell next year with all the adverse publicity flying about,payment of expenses may be taken out of our hands but to centralise this may be problematic.
So two suggestions
1.Set up a small sub committee tasked to go to Croke Park to get a new deal, these men are not to be members of the executive and that includes Sean og
2.The. day to day running of the counties finances be taken out if Sean og s hands as he clearly is unable to do the job
Any suggestions on who will go to Croke Park
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on July 01, 2016, 02:16:04 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on July 01, 2016, 08:15:00 AM
I agree with you Paudi on several points and maybe my proposal is pie in the sky but it is only a proposal, I've heard no other alternatives put on here , OK the damage is done we are all in agreement with that, it's how we fix it, it's obvious there is opposition to the removal of certain individuals and it will take time to dis lodge them , however in the interim we have to get this burden of paying 10k per month to Croke Park reduced, I'm not for one second saying we shirk from our responsibilities but we have to go to them with a feasible plan, otherwise we face financial ruin, with our monthly draw unable to pay the prizes out it will be a hard sell next year with all the adverse publicity flying about,payment of expenses may be taken out of our hands but to centralise this may be problematic.
So two suggestions
1.Set up a small sub committee tasked to go to Croke Park to get a new deal, these men are not to be members of the executive and that includes Sean og
2.The. day to day running of the counties finances be taken out if Sean og s hands as he clearly is unable to do the job
Any suggestions on who will go to Croke Park

cut the crap - you should be one of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 01, 2016, 10:37:29 PM
The Town looking good in the League
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 01, 2016, 11:28:52 PM
What's going on with Bryansford?? They are on a shocking run...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on July 02, 2016, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on July 01, 2016, 11:28:52 PM
What's going on with Bryansford?? They are on a shocking run...
Glenn holding their own also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 02, 2016, 11:01:44 AM
Quote from: SamFever on July 02, 2016, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on July 01, 2016, 11:28:52 PM
What's going on with Bryansford?? They are on a shocking run...
Glenn holding their own also.
Destroyed the stone in the 1st half Lastnite.. 1-09 to 0-01 at HT..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on July 02, 2016, 01:30:51 PM
Quote from: SamFever on July 02, 2016, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on July 01, 2016, 11:28:52 PM
What's going on with Bryansford?? They are on a shocking run...
Glenn holding their own also.
The Point ended up reasonably comfortable winners v bryansford last night. Getting beat 8-6 @ ht. Playing with wind 2nd half. Conor Maginn got a black card after about 10 mins which made our job easier. Good win with a load of boys in the States
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on July 03, 2016, 05:43:14 PM
i will be amazed if anything of note comes out of next weeks county board meeting, no action on our swift exit of this years football championships, our hurling teams performance ,a mate of mine waiting on his winners cheque from the county draw(only 2 months waiting)and the unfair abuse our county secretarys getting.On the latter i would say it will get a mention after all its not all his fault the county is in the state it is and please no peace camps outside pairc esler.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnny McCumiskey on July 03, 2016, 06:08:27 PM
I was highly impressed watching the Gaelic games today, the skill of the Kerry players - all comfortable two footed players.  Then there was the hurling match between Kilkenny & Galway - Kilkenny came out for the warm up before the match without a cone in sight, unlike at most GAA pitches throughout the county - you would think some of them were an airport runway!

It is my honest belief that too many of our young players are programmed by their coaches, the game is all about tactics and if the tactics are not working the players don't know how to think for themselves and make their own decisions on the pitch, how often have we seen players looking to the side lines for answers?  I believe because players are not being encouraged to use their own initiative at underage level, this is carrying through into our senior levels. 

So this takes me back to the question I have asked before what are all the underage coaches within our clubs teaching the young players?  Are they being coached to improve their skills and ability to a read a game or is it all about winning matches?  If we took in a rule to award players on a skills basis rather than winners and losers, this could maybe lead to an improvement in the standard of our game.

I often ask the question who coached the likes of Tom O'Hare and Paddy Doherty?  As I said before these men are two of the greatest and most skilled players I have ever witnessed playing our great game.

As for the individuals who appear to be having a problem with our county board - be a man and take off your mask, go as your club representative to the next County Convention and air your problems, concerns and all the answers to them in the proper forum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cb66 on July 04, 2016, 08:22:56 PM
Can any folk explain the setup this year in terms of automatic promotion/relagation from all the divisions this year and if there'll be any promotion/relegation playoffs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 04, 2016, 09:00:30 PM
Quote from: Cb66 on July 04, 2016, 08:22:56 PM
Can any folk explain the setup this year in terms of automatic promotion/relagation from all the divisions this year and if there'll be any promotion/relegation playoffs?
as far as i know the 2nd and 3rd bottom teams in the 1st division play off to join the bottom team in division 2. think top 2 come up from 2nd division with no play off. in the 1st division the 2nd and 3rd placed teams play off to face the top placed team in the league final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 05, 2016, 12:02:48 AM
Quote from: Johnny McCumiskey on July 03, 2016, 06:08:27 PM
I was highly impressed watching the Gaelic games today, the skill of the Kerry players - all comfortable two footed players.  Then there was the hurling match between Kilkenny & Galway - Kilkenny came out for the warm up before the match without a cone in sight, unlike at most GAA pitches throughout the county - you would think some of them were an airport runway!

It is my honest belief that too many of our young players are programmed by their coaches, the game is all about tactics and if the tactics are not working the players don't know how to think for themselves and make their own decisions on the pitch, how often have we seen players looking to the side lines for answers?  I believe because players are not being encouraged to use their own initiative at underage level, this is carrying through into our senior levels. 

So this takes me back to the question I have asked before what are all the underage coaches within our clubs teaching the young players?  Are they being coached to improve their skills and ability to a read a game or is it all about winning matches?  If we took in a rule to award players on a skills basis rather than winners and losers, this could maybe lead to an improvement in the standard of our game.

I often ask the question who coached the likes of Tom O'Hare and Paddy Doherty?  As I said before these men are two of the greatest and most skilled players I have ever witnessed playing our great game.

As for the individuals who appear to be having a problem with our county board - be a man and take off your mask, go as your club representative to the next County Convention and air your problems, concerns and all the answers to them in the proper forum.
Spot on but beyond your last paragraph, we need solutions. Our problem has been that we assume that the soil that produced Paddy and Tom will produce another 15 heroes to restore Sam to his rightful place. It doesn't work that way any more. We need to work like Trojans to shape our future, not assume it is a God given right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on July 05, 2016, 07:44:37 AM
+1, but would add that we should have a right to good governance and it appears to be missing since the 90's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 05, 2016, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: Johnny McCumiskey on July 03, 2016, 06:08:27 PM
I was highly impressed watching the Gaelic games today, the skill of the Kerry players - all comfortable two footed players.  Then there was the hurling match between Kilkenny & Galway - Kilkenny came out for the warm up before the match without a cone in sight, unlike at most GAA pitches throughout the county - you would think some of them were an airport runway!

It is my honest belief that too many of our young players are programmed by their coaches, the game is all about tactics and if the tactics are not working the players don't know how to think for themselves and make their own decisions on the pitch, how often have we seen players looking to the side lines for answers?  I believe because players are not being encouraged to use their own initiative at underage level, this is carrying through into our senior levels. 

So this takes me back to the question I have asked before what are all the underage coaches within our clubs teaching the young players?  Are they being coached to improve their skills and ability to a read a game or is it all about winning matches?  If we took in a rule to award players on a skills basis rather than winners and losers, this could maybe lead to an improvement in the standard of our game.

I often ask the question who coached the likes of Tom O'Hare and Paddy Doherty?  As I said before these men are two of the greatest and most skilled players I have ever witnessed playing our great game.

As for the individuals who appear to be having a problem with our county board - be a man and take off your mask, go as your club representative to the next County Convention and air your problems, concerns and all the answers to them in the proper forum.
The old  reminiscing about the past and it's players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on July 05, 2016, 06:16:05 PM
Will Thurs county board meeting start the process where we see fundamental change in how our county is run - answer NO
Same retoric will be trotted out,i e it's wrong for people in Down to have a go at Sean og and maybe the police will be informed ,again,the executive is doing its best , Eamonn has inherited at lot of the current problems and it will take time, finances will soon be sorted again and let's see where we go from here, sounds familiar , heard it all before , recent poster said that the time for change would be the county convention, would be if the rules were followed , example,the election of our current chairman when his main rival was ignored by press supposedly due to a convenient mistake by pro on executive.
Time for root and branch change , can't wait for next open meeting!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on July 05, 2016, 10:24:39 PM
Lads can we hold back on the get rid of Sean og chat.his job involves a lot more than taking the blame for how poorly the county team performs.who gives a shite if he was on the pitch at half time during the Longford game,didn't lose us the match.I don't buy in to the 'eamonn inherited a shambles' story.i think he had all the tools to put up a fight against Monaghan and more than enough to beat longford.sean og does a lot of work which goes unseen.the county team isn't in a great place right now,but we're in plenty of company throughout Ireland in that regard.
   Fact is we sacked a manager with proven track record at club level,had no replacement,and ended up with someone who isn't up to the job.basically on the back of a taken out of context quote after losing a qualifier game.far as I'm aware Sean didn't push through that decision in his own.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnny McCumiskey on July 05, 2016, 10:35:20 PM
Quote from: wobbller on July 05, 2016, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: Johnny McCumiskey on July 03, 2016, 06:08:27 PM
I was highly impressed watching the Gaelic games today, the skill of the Kerry players - all comfortable two footed players.  Then there was the hurling match between Kilkenny & Galway - Kilkenny came out for the warm up before the match without a cone in sight, unlike at most GAA pitches throughout the county - you would think some of them were an airport runway!

It is my honest belief that too many of our young players are programmed by their coaches, the game is all about tactics and if the tactics are not working the players don't know how to think for themselves and make their own decisions on the pitch, how often have we seen players looking to the side lines for answers?  I believe because players are not being encouraged to use their own initiative at underage level, this is carrying through into our senior levels. 

So this takes me back to the question I have asked before what are all the underage coaches within our clubs teaching the young players?  Are they being coached to improve their skills and ability to a read a game or is it all about winning matches?  If we took in a rule to award players on a skills basis rather than winners and losers, this could maybe lead to an improvement in the standard of our game.

I often ask the question who coached the likes of Tom O'Hare and Paddy Doherty?  As I said before these men are two of the greatest and most skilled players I have ever witnessed playing our great game.

As for the individuals who appear to be having a problem with our county board - be a man and take off your mask, go as your club representative to the next County Convention and air your problems, concerns and all the answers to them in the proper forum.
The old  reminiscing about the past and it's players.
It is hard not to look at the past when the future is not to bright and I have been lucky to have witnessed the good years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on July 05, 2016, 11:24:31 PM
Down, even by normal standards, are under performing, as are a lot of counties in Ireland. This cannot be the fault of one or two individuals. There was a segment on Newstalk over the weekend on Down, and taking in the religious split, we should have a population of over 200,000 to support the GAA.
In my opinion the issues are the following:

1. Most of the towns/cities have fallen behind in bringing through support and players. Newry Shamrocks, Bosco, Mitchels, Clann na Banna, Bredagh, Carryduff, Downpatrick all play outside the top division. This is not a criticism of these clubs and their hard working members (see below), just a fact. Some of these clubs have 30-40 kids turning up for U12 football - there has to be a focus on how to keep the numbers interested in Gaelic as their primary sport.
2. Co. Down schools have the same problem at present. The cream of talent of both Down and Armagh attend these schools and there is fleeting success in the older age groups.
3. Lack of volunteers - talk to anybody in the county board setup, and the lack of support is a major issue, from fundraising to scheduling, referees etc. As it is sometimes in the club setup, the work is divided by the relative few and I have never known it to be any different. Maybe the county setup is the same? Maybe a few doing too much and spreading themselves thin?
4. I don't believe that we have a lack of players, I think we lack something for the players to believe in. What joy or pride is there in pulling on a red and black jersey now? All that awaits is abuse.
5.  The sooner someone realises that Down football's strength was never defence, or short hand passing, or chasing a game, or sticking rigidly to tactics, the better.
6. Aggression to get the ball, using fitness levels properly, basic skills, winning break ball all comes with confidence.

Short term we need someone to restore the confidence in this group of players, give each chosen player a decent chance and start with a realistic goal. If that is Burns then he must have time to develop the team.

With regards to the county board, again, realistic targets. Whether individuals stay or go, a plan to sort finances has to be put in place and reviewed after a year with goals to be achieved - some great suggestions on this board to start! This plan should then be circulated to all clubs, and asking for assistance, where required.

It wasn't too long ago that we were visiting Croke Park and were within a point of winning an All Ireland. We are a long way off that day, but small steps with a bit of reason and conviction from the members of the wider GAA circles in Down and I have no doubt it can be turned around.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnny McCumiskey on July 06, 2016, 06:25:13 AM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on July 05, 2016, 11:24:31 PM
Down, even by normal standards, are under performing, as are a lot of counties in Ireland. This cannot be the fault of one or two individuals. There was a segment on Newstalk over the weekend on Down, and taking in the religious split, we should have a population of over 200,000 to support the GAA.
In my opinion the issues are the following:

1. Most of the towns/cities have fallen behind in bringing through support and players. Newry Shamrocks, Bosco, Mitchels, Clann na Banna, Bredagh, Carryduff, Downpatrick all play outside the top division. This is not a criticism of these clubs and their hard working members (see below), just a fact. Some of these clubs have 30-40 kids turning up for U12 football - there has to be a focus on how to keep the numbers interested in Gaelic as their primary sport.
2. Co. Down schools have the same problem at present. The cream of talent of both Down and Armagh attend these schools and there is fleeting success in the older age groups.
3. Lack of volunteers - talk to anybody in the county board setup, and the lack of support is a major issue, from fundraising to scheduling, referees etc. As it is sometimes in the club setup, the work is divided by the relative few and I have never known it to be any different. Maybe the county setup is the same? Maybe a few doing too much and spreading themselves thin?
4. I don't believe that we have a lack of players, I think we lack something for the players to believe in. What joy or pride is there in pulling on a red and black jersey now? All that awaits is abuse.
5.  The sooner someone realises that Down football's strength was never defence, or short hand passing, or chasing a game, or sticking rigidly to tactics, the better.
6. Aggression to get the ball, using fitness levels properly, basic skills, winning break ball all comes with confidence.

Short term we need someone to restore the confidence in this group of players, give each chosen player a decent chance and start with a realistic goal. If that is Burns then he must have time to develop the team.

With regards to the county board, again, realistic targets. Whether individuals stay or go, a plan to sort finances has to be put in place and reviewed after a year with goals to be achieved - some great suggestions on this board to start! This plan should then be circulated to all clubs, and asking for assistance, where required.

It wasn't too long ago that we were visiting Croke Park and were within a point of winning an All Ireland. We are a long way off that day, but small steps with a bit of reason and conviction from the members of the wider GAA circles in Down and I have no doubt it can be turned around.
Great post , well said
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on July 06, 2016, 07:54:46 AM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on July 05, 2016, 11:24:31 PM
Down, even by normal standards, are under performing, as are a lot of counties in Ireland. This cannot be the fault of one or two individuals. There was a segment on Newstalk over the weekend on Down, and taking in the religious split, we should have a population of over 200,000 to support the GAA.
In my opinion the issues are the following:

1. Most of the towns/cities have fallen behind in bringing through support and players. Newry Shamrocks, Bosco, Mitchels, Clann na Banna, Bredagh, Carryduff, Downpatrick all play outside the top division. This is not a criticism of these clubs and their hard working members (see below), just a fact. Some of these clubs have 30-40 kids turning up for U12 football - there has to be a focus on how to keep the numbers interested in Gaelic as their primary sport.
2. Co. Down schools have the same problem at present. The cream of talent of both Down and Armagh attend these schools and there is fleeting success in the older age groups.
3. Lack of volunteers - talk to anybody in the county board setup, and the lack of support is a major issue, from fundraising to scheduling, referees etc. As it is sometimes in the club setup, the work is divided by the relative few and I have never known it to be any different. Maybe the county setup is the same? Maybe a few doing too much and spreading themselves thin?
4. I don't believe that we have a lack of players, I think we lack something for the players to believe in. What joy or pride is there in pulling on a red and black jersey now? All that awaits is abuse.
5.  The sooner someone realises that Down football's strength was never defence, or short hand passing, or chasing a game, or sticking rigidly to tactics, the better. 6. Aggression to get the ball, using fitness levels properly, basic skills, winning break ball all comes with confidence.

Short term we need someone to restore the confidence in this group of players, give each chosen player a decent chance and start with a realistic goal. If that is Burns then he must have time to develop the team.

With regards to the county board, again, realistic targets. Whether individuals stay or go, a plan to sort finances has to be put in place and reviewed after a year with goals to be achieved - some great suggestions on this board to start! This plan should then be circulated to all clubs, and asking for assistance, where required.

It wasn't too long ago that we were visiting Croke Park and were within a point of winning an All Ireland. We are a long way off that day, but small steps with a bit of reason and conviction from the members of the wider GAA circles in Down and I have no doubt it can be turned around.

An absolutely ridiculous point to make and a prime example of "the Down way" attitude.

Adapt to the changing demands of the game. Donegal did it, Tyrone did it, Armagh did it, Dublin did it, Kerry do it all the time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: speculative on July 06, 2016, 12:31:09 PM
Can we please stop with this crap of "oh, he's trying his best" or "what have you done for Down football" etc, etc. The fact of the matter is that the Down Country Board Executive have failed systematically over the past decade.

Sick of detailing the litany of failures...

They MUST GO!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on July 06, 2016, 10:47:37 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on July 06, 2016, 07:54:46 AM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on July 05, 2016, 11:24:31 PM
Down, even by normal standards, are under performing, as are a lot of counties in Ireland. This cannot be the fault of one or two individuals. There was a segment on Newstalk over the weekend on Down, and taking in the religious split, we should have a population of over 200,000 to support the GAA.
In my opinion the issues are the following:

1. Most of the towns/cities have fallen behind in bringing through support and players. Newry Shamrocks, Bosco, Mitchels, Clann na Banna, Bredagh, Carryduff, Downpatrick all play outside the top division. This is not a criticism of these clubs and their hard working members (see below), just a fact. Some of these clubs have 30-40 kids turning up for U12 football - there has to be a focus on how to keep the numbers interested in Gaelic as their primary sport.
2. Co. Down schools have the same problem at present. The cream of talent of both Down and Armagh attend these schools and there is fleeting success in the older age groups.
3. Lack of volunteers - talk to anybody in the county board setup, and the lack of support is a major issue, from fundraising to scheduling, referees etc. As it is sometimes in the club setup, the work is divided by the relative few and I have never known it to be any different. Maybe the county setup is the same? Maybe a few doing too much and spreading themselves thin?
4. I don't believe that we have a lack of players, I think we lack something for the players to believe in. What joy or pride is there in pulling on a red and black jersey now? All that awaits is abuse.
5.  The sooner someone realises that Down football's strength was never defence, or short hand passing, or chasing a game, or sticking rigidly to tactics, the better. 6. Aggression to get the ball, using fitness levels properly, basic skills, winning break ball all comes with confidence.

Short term we need someone to restore the confidence in this group of players, give each chosen player a decent chance and start with a realistic goal. If that is Burns then he must have time to develop the team.

With regards to the county board, again, realistic targets. Whether individuals stay or go, a plan to sort finances has to be put in place and reviewed after a year with goals to be achieved - some great suggestions on this board to start! This plan should then be circulated to all clubs, and asking for assistance, where required.

It wasn't too long ago that we were visiting Croke Park and were within a point of winning an All Ireland. We are a long way off that day, but small steps with a bit of reason and conviction from the members of the wider GAA circles in Down and I have no doubt it can be turned around.

An absolutely ridiculous point to make and a prime example of "the Down way" attitude.

Adapt to the changing demands of the game. Donegal did it, Tyrone did it, Armagh did it, Dublin did it, Kerry do it all the time.

Such a measured, insightful response; I am surprised no one hasn't thought of it before. Well Done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on July 07, 2016, 04:37:47 AM
Most if what is posted here has a common thread and all believe that 1
1.Our finances are in a terrible mess , we need a plan of action,and we need shot of the individuals who have got us into this mess.
2.We have got to focus on our youth via the schools , the underage development squads , which I believe is happening but more is needed , a greater emphasis needs to be put on this development by the clubs.We are playing catch up in this regard compared to other counties.
3.Our senior team is not competitive , not the fault of the current players one could argue nor the current management but seriously was Eamonn the Nos 1 target to replace Jim McCorry,this appointment clearly showed the county executive for whatever reason decided to replace this man with no one in mind to take over.
The common denominator in all of these is the influence of Sean og , I have said on here before he maybe a staunch Gael , a hard worker but no one can convince me that his influence has contributed to this county s demise ,he needs replacing , i can see no reasonable case for him to stay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 07, 2016, 12:44:52 PM
Big night tonight in regards to Down football
I take it senior,under 21 and minors will be retafied or stud down
Known our county board they will wait until the summers out before they make decision
Anyone on the board in attendance tonight???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on July 07, 2016, 11:20:43 PM
What happened tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PaudieSull1 on July 07, 2016, 11:36:49 PM
I'm assuming he is referring to Eamon Burns staying on as senior manager or maybe the fact that 100k in fees etc is owed by clubs to the county board.......hard for the clubs to say too much about the exec when a lot of them aren't playing their own bills!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 08, 2016, 09:17:46 AM
Quote from: PaudieSull1 on July 07, 2016, 11:36:49 PM
I'm assuming he is referring to Eamon Burns staying on as senior manager or maybe the fact that 100k in fees etc is owed by clubs to the county board.......hard for the clubs to say too much about the exec when a lot of them aren't playing their own bills!

Are all county fees not direct debited now?

I know we'd set up a direct debit for referees and were due a reimbursement, so was a bit surprised to read on here that some referees hadn't been given their expenses.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PaudieSull1 on July 08, 2016, 05:46:38 PM
Having a direct debit set up and having the money to pay it are two different things! Sure the ref payments were meant to be done the same way but half the clubs weren't paying leading to most of the problems.

A lot of clubs want their cake and to eat it but you can't have it all your own way and they need to take some responsibility for lack of funds as they aren't paying their fees or insurance etc when they should.

As I have said a few times it's easy to blame one or two individuals for Down woes but there is a far greater circle of blame including many clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on July 08, 2016, 07:24:55 PM
Paudi you really do toe the party line, granted there are some clubs behind in fees , there are even clubs who are refusing to pay the increased public liability insurance because the reasons given for the increase are spurious , all the clubs in Ireland are not faced with the same hike,you haven't mentioned anything about the mis management of funds or the fact that certain individuals on the county ex are still in charge of county finances to the tune of hundreds of thousands when the same click couldn't run a tuck shop.
It's easy to criticise the clubs but the fault lies to a large extent elsewhere .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AS on July 08, 2016, 09:41:30 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on July 08, 2016, 07:24:55 PM
Paudi you really do toe the party line, granted there are some clubs behind in fees , there are even clubs who are refusing to pay the increased public liability insurance because the reasons given for the increase are spurious , all the clubs in Ireland are not faced with the same hike,you haven't mentioned anything about the mis management of funds or the fact that certain individuals on the county ex are still in charge of county finances to the tune of hundreds of thousands when the same click couldn't run a tuck shop.
It's easy to criticise the clubs but the fault lies to a large extent elsewhere .
FS, cut the crap, give it a rest, you're as bad as the Down Way-maybe you are him also.Have you not learnt your lesson in your Club FB postings just over two years ago?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on July 09, 2016, 04:42:37 AM
AS what club are you from, I'm unsure to what you refer to but if you have a logical explanation as to why the county are in the mess we are in , please share it with us , and at the same time explain in detail how we are going to get out of the mess,and because you are obviously so knowledgeable about all things Down GAA enlighten us with how you see the next 2 - 3 years panning out on and of the field under the current regime , I only want what's best for Down GAA but what will it take before people like yourself suddenly realise that we have major problems and they ain't going away without change or maybe your happy with what is currently going on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 09, 2016, 08:59:46 AM
Imagine yourself as a son, or wife, or brother of someone who was getting slaughtered daily on an open discussion forum by keyboard warriors who aren't man enough to give their names or bring anything constructive to County Board to improve the situation. It must be completely demoralising for the individuals concerned, and it is quite frankly disgusting behaviour by the perpetrators. Everyone knows your feelings, and fair enough you aren't happy, that's grand, but stop repeating it and constantly slating one or two individuals. Another thing, don't try and confront me as some sort of county board member or 'nodding dog' or whatever awful terms you have used. I'm completely impartial and have no connection to anyone concerned in the debate. I'm just sick of reading the constant humiliation of one or two people.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on July 09, 2016, 09:23:45 AM
As an outsider looking in, and speaking as someone who has always looked up to the Down tradition I am saddened to see your current demise. But the consistent haranguing of one man as if he is responsible for all is totally ludicrous.

Cut the Crap and The Down Way - youse are bang out of order. If you have ANY worthwhile credibility in your own clubs you will start your campaign there, within the confines of the association and not on a public forum. What you too are doing is not the GAA way and I'd say that even the people here who support your views do not support your methods. In fact I would say most genuine gaels are appalled by your cowardly tactics.

Remove that photo Down Way. That's way over the top and not the way things are done.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AS on July 09, 2016, 10:17:27 AM
Quote from: cut the crap on July 09, 2016, 04:42:37 AM
AS what club are you from, I'm unsure to what you refer to but if you have a logical explanation as to why the county are in the mess we are in , please share it with us , and at the same time explain in detail how we are going to get out of the mess,and because you are obviously so knowledgeable about all things Down GAA enlighten us with how you see the next 2 - 3 years panning out on and of the field under the current regime , I only want what's best for Down GAA but what will it take before people like yourself suddenly realise that we have major problems and they ain't going away without change or maybe your happy with what is currently going on.
Where I'm from is irrelevant but if I was a L'island member I would be embarassed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 45 on July 09, 2016, 02:51:13 PM
Every body knows at this stage knows there needs to be changes at the top, but this is becoming embarrassing now the amount of showing our problems in public forums and bad mouthing decent men who did not  intentialy leave this county in the state it is at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on July 09, 2016, 04:59:32 PM
As ,I'm certainly not embarrassed to be a member of the island , as a matter of fact I'm extremely proud to be not only an island Gael but a down Gael,and as such would take an active interest in both organisation s well being,I'm not saying we are perfect but if we run our club the way Down GAA is being run we would be out of business.In your post you finally acknowledged we have problems,you didn't specify but nevertheless accepted they are there.
Ok to yourself , Paudie and all the supporters of the current executive, tell me and the rest of the non supporters what you think the problems are and how your going to address them, and with particular reference to our finances give me a blow by blow account of how we are in a financial quick sand with no prospect of getting out of it and how this situation will be turned around.
No personal attacks not that there ever was no photographs because I think that's wrong and I'm not ashamed or embarrassed of what I have said and certainly look forward to the day to be given the opportunity in an open forum to put forward relevant questions and hopefully be get answers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 09, 2016, 09:23:53 PM
longford beat monaghan tonight in the qualifiers, maybe we're not so bad after all. at least we took them to extra time.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 09, 2016, 10:06:23 PM
Sure a bad Monaghan team hammered us by 21 points
They had 1 good player
In my view it makes us look worse
Dublin would beat Longford by 30 points
Monaghan are Poor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on July 09, 2016, 11:21:13 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 09, 2016, 09:23:53 PM
longford beat monaghan tonight in the qualifiers, maybe we're not so bad after all. at least we took them to extra time.  ;)

cringe  ::) Longford slaughtered us. the goals made it look closer than it really was.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 09, 2016, 11:26:48 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on July 09, 2016, 11:21:13 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 09, 2016, 09:23:53 PM
longford beat monaghan tonight in the qualifiers, maybe we're not so bad after all. at least we took them to extra time.  ;)

cringe  ::) Longford slaughtered us. the goals made it look closer than it really was.
sarcasm is obviously lost on people on here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on July 12, 2016, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 09, 2016, 11:26:48 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on July 09, 2016, 11:21:13 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 09, 2016, 09:23:53 PM
longford beat monaghan tonight in the qualifiers, maybe we're not so bad after all. at least we took them to extra time.  ;)

cringe  ::) Longford slaughtered us. the goals made it look closer than it really was.
sarcasm is obviously lost on people on here.

oh is that what the wee wink smilie was  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 12, 2016, 07:14:26 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on July 12, 2016, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 09, 2016, 11:26:48 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on July 09, 2016, 11:21:13 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 09, 2016, 09:23:53 PM
longford beat monaghan tonight in the qualifiers, maybe we're not so bad after all. at least we took them to extra time.  ;)

cringe  ::) Longford slaughtered us. the goals made it look closer than it really was.
sarcasm is obviously lost on people on here.

oh is that what the wee wink smilie was  ::)
your fond of the wee roll eyes emoji.  ::) I can just imagine you sitting at home for the last 3 days thinking of a witty reply then you just say 'feck it I'll just roll my eyes again'. It must be some craic round your house rolling your eyes if anyone says anything. If I'm being sarcastic again I'll make it more clearer especially for you.  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 14, 2016, 12:44:41 AM
Confirmed by the activity/inactivity over this past while that the Down posters are British civil servants!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on July 14, 2016, 09:30:02 AM
As you can see by my number of posts I'm not a big fan of writing on these kind of platforms but do enjoy reading comments about games and peoples opinions on matches, who played well, who didn't etc etc and even enjoy reading about the odd dig or the very few compliments I get myself on here. I enjoy doing the championship prediction too. But I have to say over the past number of months this platform/page has become embarrassing and in fact a very nasty & vile page to read.

This thread used to be about GAA games and in particular for those abroad who could catch up on how things are going.

Could I suggest to bring this page back to its former greatness could all those who wish to continue to run the  CB into the ground set up another thread/page and write your comments there so that we don't have to read all this crap.

Yes the county is in some difficulties, yes there are a lot of issues to be sorted and yes people are entitled to opinions. But when peoples opinions border on cyber bullying and slanderous abuse I feel that this is not the place to publicise them. Don't be the coward and write about it here. Ask your club rep to put forward all your questions and opinions forward at the next meeting.

How IP addresses have not been used to stop this nonsense baffles me!!!



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 14, 2016, 09:56:37 AM
+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on July 14, 2016, 11:21:21 AM
Eamonn Burns in for another year.
Wee James stays with minors.
U21 post TBC

Pete debating his future with Fermanagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on July 14, 2016, 04:53:22 PM
Agree 100% True Blue
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 14, 2016, 06:26:21 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on July 14, 2016, 11:21:21 AM
Eamonn Burns in for another year.
Wee James stays with minors.
U21 post TBC

If Pete Mcgrath calls it a day after a very successful tenure at Fermanagh he needs to be brought back into Down in some capacity

Pete debating his future with Fermanagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 14, 2016, 11:42:12 PM
Quote from: True Blue on July 14, 2016, 09:30:02 AM
As you can see by my number of posts I'm not a big fan of writing on these kind of platforms but do enjoy reading comments about games and peoples opinions on matches, who played well, who didn't etc etc and even enjoy reading about the odd dig or the very few compliments I get myself on here. I enjoy doing the championship prediction too. But I have to say over the past number of months this platform/page has become embarrassing and in fact a very nasty & vile page to read.

This thread used to be about GAA games and in particular for those abroad who could catch up on how things are going.

Could I suggest to bring this page back to its former greatness could all those who wish to continue to run the  CB into the ground set up another thread/page and write your comments there so that we don't have to read all this crap.

Yes the county is in some difficulties, yes there are a lot of issues to be sorted and yes people are entitled to opinions. But when peoples opinions border on cyber bullying and slanderous abuse I feel that this is not the place to publicise them. Don't be the coward and write about it here. Ask your club rep to put forward all your questions and opinions forward at the next meeting.

How IP addresses have not been used to stop this nonsense baffles me!!!
But we still are in the gutter-never mind IP addresses
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on July 15, 2016, 08:45:07 AM
Can't believe that Eamon burns actually wants to stay on, if nothing else the man has the heart for the job clearly. Hopefully with the time he now has to prepare he can get our squad ready for next season. I wish him well. Also good to see James stay with minors as if there is one man who can en Ice young fellas to play, it's him.
Meanwhile, back to club football for now and look forward to defending my championship predictions this season 😀
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Post by: johnneycool on July 15, 2016, 09:07:57 AM
Morrison can be a bit of a wing nut but for me he's bang on the money with talent selectors as opposed to talent identifiers issue that can miss the point with development squads;


http://gaeliclife.com/2016/07/john-morrison-the-dangers-of-talent-spotting/ (http://gaeliclife.com/2016/07/john-morrison-the-dangers-of-talent-spotting/)

In recent decades, the former giants of the game such as Armagh, Derry and Down, also Galway, Cork, Laois and Kildare – all solid Division One or Two teams – have suffered from an apparent lack of talent.

Some of these counties have county development squads or academies but it is these, together with the underage structure in clubs that coaches must question.
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They must ask; should quality players be identified early and worked on long term, rather 'quality players' – talent – be selected annually to produce a trophy-winning team that year?

Many coaches claim to be talent identifiers, pointing to their successful U10 or U12 or U14, etc, as proof. Yet they are talent selectors, ie, they are selecting by the culling of players with the current ability to participate and win trophies in that year or near future. They operate as a separate team within their club.

Talent identification, however, is the prediction of future performance based on evaluations of current physical, technical, tactical and mental qualities, ie, seen as a potential future county player. Put simply, talent selection yields great results today while talent identification builds elite players and winning teams for the future.

Counties through their clubs must now consider if they operate a win at all costs youth sports culture as this promotes talent selection.

Why? Parents, or clubs or own ego 'pressure' the coach to win.

The coach is forced to pick players to help the team win and not playing those who will not help the team win. Thus enjoyment and development is lost to many, because coaches only looked at current physical, technical, tactical traits to achieve 'short term success'. Thus the best get to play while the rest get little if any playing time, are told to work harder (little direction), get together, etc, if they want to play more.

The 'rest' are yelled at because they can't get ball quick enough yet, or shoot well enough yet and they're told this is the pressure they'll face when older so get used to it now. No surprise then that most of the 'rest' quit by 13 years old.

What would a Talent Identifier do? They search for young players who may not be elite yet, Tony Scullion and Peter Canavan did not blossom to post-16, but possess the physical and mental attributes to eventually become one, like Tony and Peter. These type of players show a high level of coach-ability, sensitivity to training and have the motivation to learn.

Identifying talent needs the ability to weigh all the physical, mental and technical components of a player, as well as a measure of 'GUT INSTINCT; of which youngster has what it takes to become elite and which youngster hasn't.

Talent identification is a long term approach to player selection and development, focusing on training large numbers of players, and not culling all but the elite. It recognises that many factors affect whether a youngster makes it or not.

Many Gaelic counties are far too focused on talent selection, ie, a 'win at all costs' commitment to winning. Some clubs claim these 'lesser' players are in 'B' and 'C' teams but these get fewer games, with less experienced coaches, less committed team mates and an overall lesser experience. Often they are used as fundraisers.

Clubs are not identifying/developing youngsters who are most likely to become elite after puberty. The ones who are already elite are being selected but are later found out not to have the qualities needed for long term elite performance.

Emphasis on winning prior to 13 years old is destroying some counties' ability to produce senior county players.

How can the GAA fix this?

1. Train up two coaches at least from each club in the county on how to fully teach the basic skills of the game, ie, the skills global parts; teach them in show motion before introducing skill games. Those two coaches can return to their club to train up two more each and so on. Why do we need this? The vast majority of young players rarely receive proper skills coaching and the skill movement is often flawed.

2. Stop Culling players at young ages and develop large numbers of players instead of just the elite ones. Many top players can be lost, eg, late developers, by early culling. I would venture that no culling of players should happen until 17 years.

3. Focus on Developing All Players at the youngest ages. Particular attention should be given to helping the less skilled plaeyrs catch up technically to the stronger ones. Thus, when all have finished their growth spurt, clubs have a larger pool of adequately skilled individuals (who can become elite) to choose from rather than only 'elite'.

4. Abandon The 'win at all costs' competition, eg, U10, U12, U13, both league and championship. Run their coaching sessions from March to October with inter-club rainbow blitzes every four weeks to test the skills taught over those four weeks.

5. Better Educate Our Coaches to understand the difference between selecting and identifying talent, and then teach and encourage them to develop it rather than try to win with it immediately.

6. Ensure That The Best Coaches are coaching the youngest players.

These few measures are just a start, but if these and other changes are made, our clubs/schools will have larger numbers of skilled players to choose form as well as additional healthier and well rounded children.

We will have families less stressed financially and anxiety wise, because their children can be children again having fun and enjoyment in playing the game while unde no pressure to having to win.

Winning is for adulthood. Coaches, too, will now be allowed to actually coach and develop both better people and better players. Talent identification is the way forward for better club and stronger county teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sabhallphadraig on July 15, 2016, 02:51:46 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 15, 2016, 09:07:57 AM
Morrison can be a bit of a wing nut but for me he's bang on the money with talent selectors as opposed to talent identifiers issue that can miss the point with development squads;


http://gaeliclife.com/2016/07/john-morrison-the-dangers-of-talent-spotting/ (http://gaeliclife.com/2016/07/john-morrison-the-dangers-of-talent-spotting/)


Excellent and thanks for posting it JC. Like so many things the quick hack doesn't bring the long term results - "Run slower to get faster etc etc".  Nothing like the present to take stock at club and county/competition levels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 15, 2016, 06:25:17 PM
1. Train up two coaches at least from each club in the county on how to fully teach the basic skills of the game, ie, the skills global parts; teach them in show motion before introducing skill games. Those two coaches can return to their club to train up two more each and so on. Why do we need this? The vast majority of young players rarely receive proper skills coaching and the skill movement is often flawed.

2. Stop Culling players at young ages and develop large numbers of players instead of just the elite ones. Many top players can be lost, eg, late developers, by early culling. I would venture that no culling of players should happen until 17 years.

3. Focus on Developing All Players at the youngest ages. Particular attention should be given to helping the less skilled plaeyrs catch up technically to the stronger ones. Thus, when all have finished their growth spurt, clubs have a larger pool of adequately skilled individuals (who can become elite) to choose from rather than only 'elite'.

4. Abandon The 'win at all costs' competition, eg, U10, U12, U13, both league and championship. Run their coaching sessions from March to October with inter-club rainbow blitzes every four weeks to test the skills taught over those four weeks.

5. Better Educate Our Coaches to understand the difference between selecting and identifying talent, and then teach and encourage them to develop it rather than try to win with it immediately.

6. Ensure That The Best Coaches are coaching the youngest players.


great post johnneycool. some excellent points here. i have helped with underage teams and have seen for myself at our club that many young players are drifting away at a very young age. i have seen u10 and u12 players fall away because they're not getting playing time as it seems to be a win at all costs even at this level. this year i have taken a step back as i was getting very frustrated by this 'we need to win this' attitude of some other mentors. this wouldnt be club policy more individual mentor policy who seem more keen on winning for themselves than for the kids. developing all kids at this age group and younger is vital imo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 15, 2016, 06:33:01 PM
What's the big problem with kids wanting to win?
All this crap about stopping kids from winning is bull
Maybe that's what's wrong with this county we are happy just to play and accept defeat
If we had more of a winning mentality throughout this county we would not always except getting hammered out the door at senior and under 21 and a 5 point defeat at minors
Maybe I'm wrong but sure it's my opinion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 15, 2016, 07:16:50 PM
I have no problem with wanting to win but win at all costs at u10 level and even younger?? To win in a tournament at this level you are depending on maybe 5 or 6 of your stronger players and this also means leaving players on the sideline for the entire match. For me at this young age there should be enjoyment for the players. If you are already labeling players as being weak at u10/12 and below this age group and not helping them develop you have more chance of losing them from our games. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 15, 2016, 10:51:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 15, 2016, 06:33:01 PM
What's the big problem with kids wanting to win?
All this crap about stopping kids from winning is bull
Maybe that's what's wrong with this county we are happy just to play and accept defeat
If we had more of a winning mentality throughout this county we would not always except getting hammered out the door at senior and under 21 and a 5 point defeat at minors
Maybe I'm wrong but sure it's my opinion

There's absolutely nothing wrong with kids wanting to win, it's a basic trait in all of us. It's the managers and coaches who consistently play their"strongest" players and give little game time to the less well developed at the younger age groups, 9 aside go games and so on and then wonder why they struggle to get a panel when the games go 15 a side.
Just one issue I have with short sightedness within some coaches at the  formative years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 16, 2016, 05:44:44 PM
I see the great underage talent that Cavan has produced is fairly helping there senior team
But for a win against 2 very poor teams they are as bad as us this past 4/5 years
Underage talent means very little
Take away Tyrone and not many others can bring them through
Even the Kerry teams haven't produced much at underage pre 2014
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 16, 2016, 06:13:23 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 16, 2016, 05:44:44 PM
I see the great underage talent that Cavan has produced is fairly helping there senior team
But for a win against 2 very poor teams they are as bad as us this past 4/5 years
Underage talent means very little
Take away Tyrone and not many others can bring them through
Even the Kerry teams haven't produced much at underage pre 2014
Your actual point being what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 16, 2016, 06:36:15 PM
My point being a good underage structure counts for nothing when it comes to seniors
Cavans underage structure in Ulster is No 1 where has it got them in senior football
The amount of times I've heard on here we need to get out underage right before we can even think of underage success
If anyone on here believed that underage success has much bearings on senior football then your the fool
Or maybe it's me who the fool is
Just my opinion
Down seniors need sucess and they need it now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 16, 2016, 06:42:56 PM
Senior sucess that was
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 16, 2016, 09:58:09 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 16, 2016, 06:36:15 PM
My point being a good underage structure counts for nothing when it comes to seniors
Cavans underage structure in Ulster is No 1 where has it got them in senior football
The amount of times I've heard on here we need to get out underage right before we can even think of underage success
If anyone on here believed that underage success has much bearings on senior football then your the fool
Or maybe it's me who the fool is
Just my opinion
Down seniors need sucess and they need it now
Ok,we'll get that sorted right away for you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 16, 2016, 11:03:29 PM
You asked me a question I answered you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 16, 2016, 11:30:21 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 16, 2016, 11:03:29 PM
You asked me a question I answered you
You amuse me.Define now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on July 17, 2016, 12:47:28 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 15, 2016, 06:33:01 PM
What's the big problem with kids wanting to win?
All this crap about stopping kids from winning is bull
Maybe that's what's wrong with this county we are happy just to play and accept defeat
If we had more of a winning mentality throughout this county we would not always except getting hammered out the door at senior and under 21 and a 5 point defeat at minors
Maybe I'm wrong but sure it's my opinion

I think you missed the point of the article. The suggestion is that teams winning at underage level should not be to the detriment to player development. I know there is a growing trait in schools etc to hand out medals to winners and losers to prevent hurting their feelings. Many would consider that is not exactly a great test for later life. That is not what is being suggested here. It is an article about individual development and instilling both the skills and developing the character to win.

There was a revealing report into underage development in ice hockey some years ago which spoke volumes about how development at underage level is so important. One year they looked at the birthdays of the all stars team and realised there was quite a majority who were born in the first half of the year. They looked back through the records and realised this was not an anomaly and was in fact the norm. Given such an anomaly they researched the matter and quickly concluded that those kids who were bigger and stronger at early underage level stood out in comparison to their team mates. Quite often that was because they were in fact nearly a year older as they were closer to the cut off date. All the resources and energy went into developing these "better" kids and the rest were allowed to wither on the vine, so to speak. Ice hockey quickly took measures to remedy the problem.

Most professional sports now realise the importance of individual development . Rugby is another example. Most early underage games are touch rugby to allow smaller/younger players to develop. In particular this has been a success in New Zealand where there was a disparity of size at underage level.

It's not about molly cuddling kids, it's about getting the best out of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 17, 2016, 10:00:00 PM
Good to see the '91 team back together and getting honoured at clones today. We could be doing with a few of those boys playing now. Watching the ulster final makes you want even more for Down to get back playing and winning Ulster titles again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on July 17, 2016, 11:46:12 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 17, 2016, 10:00:00 PM
Good to see the '91 team back together and getting honoured at clones today. We could be doing with a few of those boys playing now. Watching the ulster final makes you want even more for Down to get back playing and winning Ulster titles again.
So we'll have something to see on AI Final day this year then.The memories!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on July 18, 2016, 02:02:45 PM
Why have the Junior football championship fixtures still not been released?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Bearded One on July 18, 2016, 02:04:55 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 17, 2016, 10:00:00 PM
Good to see the '91 team back together and getting honoured at clones today. We could be doing with a few of those boys playing now. Watching the ulster final makes you want even more for Down to get back playing and winning Ulster titles again.

Does anyone have a list of the full squad from 1991?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on July 18, 2016, 03:56:12 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 12, 2016, 07:14:26 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on July 12, 2016, 03:34:13 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 09, 2016, 11:26:48 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on July 09, 2016, 11:21:13 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 09, 2016, 09:23:53 PM
longford beat monaghan tonight in the qualifiers, maybe we're not so bad after all. at least we took them to extra time.  ;)

cringe  ::) Longford slaughtered us. the goals made it look closer than it really was.
sarcasm is obviously lost on people on here.

oh is that what the wee wink smilie was  ::)
your fond of the wee roll eyes emoji.  ::) I can just imagine you sitting at home for the last 3 days thinking of a witty reply then you just say 'feck it I'll just roll my eyes again'. It must be some craic round your house rolling your eyes if anyone says anything. If I'm being sarcastic again I'll make it more clearer especially for you.  ::)

haha some of us don't have the luxury of sitting at home. whatever floats your boat  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AS on July 19, 2016, 09:51:25 PM
the Down Way and cut the  crap are on Holidays together talking to each other via a mirror!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on July 20, 2016, 06:08:20 PM
AS,never been away, nothing to comment on,absolutely nothing, good to see team of 91 paraded before Ulster final , great memories.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AS on July 20, 2016, 07:57:43 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on July 20, 2016, 06:08:20 PM
AS,never been away, nothing to comment on,absolutely nothing, good to see team of 91 paraded before Ulster final , great memories.
Indeed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 21, 2016, 11:14:47 AM
Good interview with Pete Mcgrath on newstalk last night. Mostly on fermanagh and the stare of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 21, 2016, 06:01:17 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 21, 2016, 11:14:47 AM
Good interview with Pete Mcgrath on newstalk last night. Mostly on fermanagh and the stare of the game.
Pete is some starer!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 21, 2016, 07:52:45 PM
Down could have been doing with Pete to add a bit of something to Eamon Burn's back room or even front room team! Fermanagh's gain-Down's loss
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 25, 2016, 11:59:28 AM
Everyone looking forward to the championship weekend?? Should be some tasty games... Possibly Clonduff v Ballyholland and Glenn v Bryansford being the pick of the bunch.. Should also be be interesting to see how Shamrocks fair against St John's... Shamrocks seem to be going well again with Danny Hughes at the fold..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on July 28, 2016, 07:06:38 PM
I take it Kilcoo will have too much for Saval despite being depleted?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 28, 2016, 07:33:51 PM
Quote from: general_lee on July 28, 2016, 07:06:38 PM
I take it Kilcoo will have too much for Saval despite being depleted?
paddy power have them at 1/500 to beat saval so they definitely think they'll have too much for them  :). has anyone ever seen a shorter priced team to win a champioship match in down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on July 28, 2016, 08:34:44 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 28, 2016, 07:33:51 PM
Quote from: general_lee on July 28, 2016, 07:06:38 PM
I take it Kilcoo will have too much for Saval despite being depleted?
paddy power have them at 1/500 to beat saval so they definitely think they'll have too much for them  :). has anyone ever seen a shorter priced team to win a champioship match in down?
I saw that. Surely Kilcoo are down a lot of players, including key men. Maybe I'm not giving them enough credit. Im not even sure I've seen 1/500 for Cross games in Armagh!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 28, 2016, 09:00:38 PM
Anyone who backed kilcoo at short odds can start collecting their winnings, they're leading 3-10 to 0-3 at HT. Drumaness beat bosco 0-13 to 1-6 in IFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 28, 2016, 09:42:59 PM
Kilcoo 4-14 saval 0-6 FT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on July 29, 2016, 08:55:54 AM
Some preview for tonight's match in Esler between Mayobridge & Rostrevor.

According to Shaun Mahoney of the Irish News Caolan Mooney will be starting for the Reds & Mickey Walsh is still managing the Bridge.

Quality Research!!!!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 29, 2016, 11:16:20 AM
Quote from: True Blue on July 29, 2016, 08:55:54 AM
Some preview for tonight's match in Esler between Mayobridge & Rostrevor.

According to Shaun Mahoney of the Irish News Caolan Mooney will be starting for the Reds & Mickey Walsh is still managing the Bridge.

Quality Research!!!!!
Is it Shaun or Sean Mahoney?  I think this Sean/Shaun Mahoney doesn't exist and it's a pseudonym for Tony Bagnall
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on July 29, 2016, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: wobbller on July 29, 2016, 11:16:20 AM
Quote from: True Blue on July 29, 2016, 08:55:54 AM
Some preview for tonight's match in Esler between Mayobridge & Rostrevor.

According to Shaun Mahoney of the Irish News Caolan Mooney will be starting for the Reds & Mickey Walsh is still managing the Bridge.

Quality Research!!!!!
Is it Shaun or Sean Mahoney?  I think this Sean/Shaun Mahoney doesn't exist and it's a pseudonym for Tony Bagnall

Definitely Shaun!!!!! Wobbler pseudonym or not that is terrible. Surely Tony (if it is him) knows Mooney is in NY & that Frank Dawson is in charge of the Bridge.

I would expect a bit more quality from the Irish News!!!

Looking forward to the 2 games tonight particularly the 2nd game. Can the Harps prove that they we're not a one season wonder?

Surely we will get 2 better games than were played in Clonduff last night.

Although having said that Saval were missing a number of players & Kilcoo can only play what's put in front of them.

Pre IFC favourites An Riocht & Liatroim will have learned nothing from watching Drumaness beat Bosco. Very poor match!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 29, 2016, 03:26:01 PM
Quote from: True Blue on July 29, 2016, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: wobbller on July 29, 2016, 11:16:20 AM
Quote from: True Blue on July 29, 2016, 08:55:54 AM
Some preview for tonight's match in Esler between Mayobridge & Rostrevor.

According to Shaun Mahoney of the Irish News Caolan Mooney will be starting for the Reds & Mickey Walsh is still managing the Bridge.

Quality Research!!!!!
Is it Shaun or Sean Mahoney?  I think this Sean/Shaun Mahoney doesn't exist and it's a pseudonym for Tony Bagnall

Definitely Shaun!!!!! Wobbler pseudonym or not that is terrible. Surely Tony (if it is him) knows Mooney is in NY & that Frank Dawson is in charge of the Bridge.

I would expect a bit more quality from the Irish News!!!

Looking forward to the 2 games tonight particularly the 2nd game. Can the Harps prove that they we're not a one season wonder?

Surely we will get 2 better games than were played in Clonduff last night.

Although having said that Saval were missing a number of players & Kilcoo can only play what's put in front of them.

Pre IFC favourites An Riocht & Liatroim will have learned nothing from watching Drumaness beat Bosco. Very poor match!
Shaun and Sean have both been used in previous Irish News articles. Quite pathetic really that they can't get basic info correct including who the actual journalist is also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 29, 2016, 04:49:55 PM

Pre IFC favourites An Riocht & Liatroim will have learned nothing from watching Drumaness beat Bosco. Very poor match!
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what makes them favorites?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 29, 2016, 06:34:59 PM
Quote from: wobbller on July 29, 2016, 03:26:01 PM
Quote from: True Blue on July 29, 2016, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: wobbller on July 29, 2016, 11:16:20 AM
Quote from: True Blue on July 29, 2016, 08:55:54 AM
Some preview for tonight's match in Esler between Mayobridge & Rostrevor.

According to Shaun Mahoney of the Irish News Caolan Mooney will be starting for the Reds & Mickey Walsh is still managing the Bridge.

Quality Research!!!!!
Is it Shaun or Sean Mahoney?  I think this Sean/Shaun Mahoney doesn't exist and it's a pseudonym for Tony Bagnall

Definitely Shaun!!!!! Wobbler pseudonym or not that is terrible. Surely Tony (if it is him) knows Mooney is in NY & that Frank Dawson is in charge of the Bridge.

I would expect a bit more quality from the Irish News!!!

Looking forward to the 2 games tonight particularly the 2nd game. Can the Harps prove that they we're not a one season wonder?

Surely we will get 2 better games than were played in Clonduff last night.

Although having said that Saval were missing a number of players & Kilcoo can only play what's put in front of them.

Pre IFC favourites An Riocht & Liatroim will have learned nothing from watching Drumaness beat Bosco. Very poor match!
Shaun and Sean have both been used in previous Irish News articles. Quite pathetic really that they can't get basic info correct including who the actual journalist is also.

The IN regularly posts incorrect information for club games, in my experience, regardless of the journalist.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2016, 10:00:33 PM
2 very poor games in Newry tonight
The first game was tense at the end but what the hell has gone wrong in Mayobridge?
They were woeful or was it Rostrevor were good?
The 2nd game was played in 3rd gear
I've been Poachers biggest fan but Ballyholland have went back from last year?
Clonduff the much better team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on July 30, 2016, 02:05:57 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2016, 10:00:33 PM
2 very poor games in Newry tonight
The first game was tense at the end but what the hell has gone wrong in Mayobridge?
They were woeful or was it Rostrevor were good?
The 2nd game was played in 3rd gear
I've been Poachers biggest fan but Ballyholland have went back from last year?
Clonduff the much better team

I have to agree. A Glenn man advised me that Mayobridge had a lot missing tonight and that they were nowhere near worth betting on at 1/10. Still, Rostrevor should take a lot from tonight, totally dominated the 2nd half.
As for the 2nd game, at no stage did it ever feel like Clonduff would lose that match. Even after going 3 points down early on then conceding a goal before HT, they always looked comfortable and the most likely to push on. For all the credit Poacher receives as a tactical manager (and I'm the first to admit his strengths in this area), it seemed Ballyholland had no answer to the long ball to A.McConville once he was brought on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on July 31, 2016, 10:07:49 PM
Some second half from Bryansford tonight. Danny savage is a quality forward. Some fantastic free taking from Mattie Bagnal as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 31, 2016, 10:53:48 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on July 31, 2016, 10:07:49 PM
Some second half from Bryansford tonight. Danny savage is a quality forward. Some fantastic free taking from Mattie Bagnal as well.

Savage ended up with about 0-13. Ford finished very strong in last quarter and their substitutions worked really well.
Niall McParland is a county standard midfielder and put in a serious shift tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on August 01, 2016, 01:41:44 AM
Niall McParland was very good for Glenn, especially in the first half and Liam Bagnall did a decent man marking job on Maginn I thought. Savage was brilliant to watch and got better as the game went on. Bryansford were trailing 1-12 to 0-10 with about 20 minutes left, to outscore Glenn by 1-10 to 0-01 from there on shows how they dominated the final period of the match.

Clann na Banna were very poor in the first game. The no.11 and 14 for Saul were excellent.
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Post by: ranch on August 01, 2016, 10:15:23 PM
SFC Next round of championship
Kilcoo v Burren
Downpatrick v Warrenpoint
Castlewellan v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Clonduff

SFC back door
Ballyholland v Glenn
Saval v Longstone
Loughinisland v Annaclone
Rostrevor v Ballymartin
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Post by: Samforever on August 01, 2016, 11:36:37 PM
County treasurer will be rubbing his hands with glee at that draw!
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Post by: 5 Sams on August 01, 2016, 11:49:24 PM

The championship second round times and venues are as follows;

Thurs 4th in Burren- Glasdrumman v An Riocht 6.30,  Rostrevor v Ballymartin 8.00

Thurs 4th Aug in Newcastle-  Kilclief v Dromara 6.30,  Saul v Bredagh 8.00

Fri 5th Aug in Newry-  Mayobridge v Clonduff 6.30,  Bryansford v Castlewellan 8.00

Fri 5th Aug in Kilcoo-  Clann na Banna v Atticall 6.30,  Liatroim v Tullylish 8.00

Sat 6th Aug in Atticall-  St.John's v Drumaness 1.30,  Longstone v Saval 3.00

Sun 6th Aug in Castlewellan- Bosco v Carryduff 2.00,  Loughinisland v Annaclone 3.30

Sun 6th Aug in Newry-  Glenn v Ballyholland 6.00,  Kilcoo v Burren 7.30

Mon 7th Aug in Hilltown-  Shamrocks v Darragh Cross 6.30,  CPN v RGU 8.00
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 02, 2016, 08:48:03 AM
What a draw that was.You couldn't have hand picked them any better
Worst possible draw for Burren in my opinion.If they beat Kilcoo it will mean nothing if they are beaten it will play with their heads
The losers group games are also hard to call
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Post by: meatsy86 on August 02, 2016, 12:18:02 PM
Can't see much of crowd going to Attical on Saturday, what with Tyrone & Mayo on at 4pm. Surely not fair on the competing teams and their supporters. Whoever sets the dates and times needs their heads examined.

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Post by: Bearly on loose on August 02, 2016, 12:21:21 PM
Ballymartin play on Monday then forced to play again 3 days later? Hardly fair
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Post by: SHEEDY on August 02, 2016, 05:43:59 PM
Quote from: Bearly on loose on August 02, 2016, 12:21:21 PM
Ballymartin play on Monday then forced to play again 3 days later? Hardly fair
glasdrumman v an riocht and ballymartin v rostrevor switched to monday night.
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Post by: The Raven on August 03, 2016, 12:19:08 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 02, 2016, 12:18:02 PM
Can't see much of crowd going to Attical on Saturday, what with Tyrone & Mayo on at 4pm. Surely not fair on the competing teams and their supporters. Whoever sets the dates and times needs their heads examined.

Who in their right mind would want to watch that sh?te on TV anyway
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 03, 2016, 01:56:46 PM
Quote from: The Raven on August 03, 2016, 12:19:08 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 02, 2016, 12:18:02 PM
Can't see much of crowd going to Attical on Saturday, what with Tyrone & Mayo on at 4pm. Surely not fair on the competing teams and their supporters. Whoever sets the dates and times needs their heads examined.

Who in their right mind would want to watch that sh?te on TV anyway

Anyone with a love for Gaelic Games lad!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on August 04, 2016, 09:56:43 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 03, 2016, 01:56:46 PM
Quote from: The Raven on August 03, 2016, 12:19:08 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 02, 2016, 12:18:02 PM
Can't see much of crowd going to Attical on Saturday, what with Tyrone & Mayo on at 4pm. Surely not fair on the competing teams and their supporters. Whoever sets the dates and times needs their heads examined.

Who in their right mind would want to watch that sh?te on TV anyway

Anyone with a love for Gaelic Games lad!!!

To watch Tyrone play some form of rugby league, no thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on August 04, 2016, 10:23:33 AM
Tipperarys performance last week was a breath of fresh air, but the powerhouses of Tyrone and Dublin will eat and shit teams like Tipp, in saying that I wish te fcuk Down management would look at Tipps style of play, met a Kerry lad last week and he was giving of about puke foot ball , he musnt be watching his team lately !!
Are Kilcoo beatable ? in my opinion no, there that little bit better than whats in Down, problem is that they have two chances to win Down title,sad to see all the bickering on here ,nothing has changed and barring a death in the family nothing will, the good times are a distant memory,and wont be around for another few years so its Kilcoo for Down sfc ,An Riocht ifc, and  Dundrum for jfc, Dublin for AI, - HURLING ??
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Post by: Hedgehunter on August 04, 2016, 12:22:17 PM
I think Drumgath will have something to say about the Junior tbh..
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Post by: rosskarr on August 04, 2016, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: oileain blues on August 04, 2016, 10:23:33 AM
Tipperarys performance last week was a breath of fresh air, but the powerhouses of Tyrone and Dublin will eat and shit teams like Tipp, in saying that I wish te fcuk Down management would look at Tipps style of play, met a Kerry lad last week and he was giving of about puke foot ball , he musnt be watching his team lately !!
Are Kilcoo beatable ? in my opinion no, there that little bit better than whats in Down, problem is that they have two chances to win Down title,sad to see all the bickering on here ,nothing has changed and barring a death in the family nothing will, the good times are a distant memory,and wont be around for another few years so its Kilcoo for Down sfc ,An Riocht ifc, and  Dundrum for jfc, Dublin for AI, - HURLING ??
Brilliant and insightful.ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on August 05, 2016, 05:41:15 AM
What I like about this forum is the Nos of football experts on here Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on August 05, 2016, 10:56:31 AM
Should be an enjoyable nights football tonight in Parc Esler. Two local derbies, four of the best teams in the County. Should be good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 05, 2016, 01:47:20 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 04, 2016, 12:22:17 PM
I think Drumgath will have something to say about the Junior tbh..

Dundrum beat all Division 3 teams they have played in Challenge games this year.. I'd look out for Ardlgass though, could prove a tricky opponent for all in the JFC, if I remember they ran Glassdrumman close in the JFC Final last year.
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 09, 2016, 09:56:49 AM
So after a full weekend of club championship action there aren't too many shocks or news stories.
Couldn't pick a handful of county standard players out of a lot of the games I attended.

Kilcoo woeful, letting a Burren team with Dan McCartan in their forward line beat them. Typical indiscipline and daftness sees them finish the game with 13 and hand the game on a plate to Burren.

Clonduff stroll past a weak Bridge team and now there is war in the Bridge camp. Be interesting to see how they react to this defeat. Be even more interesting to see who will be at the helm for the next game.

Castlewellan might find that the defeat to Bryansford could give them the kick up the hole they need.

Intermediate looks like its between An Riocht and Darragh Cross at the minute.

On another note, Taylor Louden of RGU was the brightest spark of talent id seen all weekend. The kid looks to have it all. That's the type of player needs to be nurtured and put on a path so he will be producing the goods for the county for forseaable future. Only a cub but he looks like a fantastic talent. Hopefully RGU can keep him away from the soccer shite for as long as possible.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 09, 2016, 10:13:32 AM
You are full of the joys of Spring this morning Brick !!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 09, 2016, 10:16:40 AM
Eh...its August
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on August 09, 2016, 12:39:18 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 09, 2016, 09:56:49 AM
So after a full weekend of club championship action there aren't too many shocks or news stories.
Couldn't pick a handful of county standard players out of a lot of the games I attended.

Kilcoo woeful, letting a Burren team with Dan McCartan in their forward line beat them. Typical indiscipline and daftness sees them finish the game with 13 and hand the game on a plate to Burren.

Clonduff stroll past a weak Bridge team and now there is war in the Bridge camp. Be interesting to see how they react to this defeat. Be even more interesting to see who will be at the helm for the next game.

Castlewellan might find that the defeat to Bryansford could give them the kick up the hole they need.

Intermediate looks like its between An Riocht and Darragh Cross at the minute.

On another note, Taylor Louden of RGU was the brightest spark of talent id seen all weekend. The kid looks to have it all. That's the type of player needs to be nurtured and put on a path so he will be producing the goods for the county for forseaable future. Only a cub but he looks like a fantastic talent. Hopefully RGU can keep him away from the soccer shite for as long as possible.
Taylor is indeed a good footballer but he'd need to grow a few inches to make it.Not a lot of quality in any of the games I saw.No Championship Passes anymore,costing a fortune to see all that I wanted to see this past few weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 14, 2016, 06:29:18 PM
Kilcoo bounce back with a handy win today
Still my favourites for the championship but would be massive if the Johnstones return for them
Ballyholland and Glenn will be disappointed with their seasons
Glenn fancied themselves to win it this year as they held all players back from playing county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on August 14, 2016, 11:51:01 PM
Now that we are into the 1/4 final stages of the championships
what games will everyone be going to and what team is peoples favourite to win the SFC, IFC, JFC

Senior Championship= Between Kilcoo, Burren, Bryansford
Intermediate Championship= Betweem An Riocht and Darragh Cross
Junior Championship= Between Drumgath and Dundrum
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 15, 2016, 11:13:47 AM
If Jerome is back its Kilcoo's to lose.

If Jerome not back, anyone's game.
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Post by: Cb66 on August 15, 2016, 03:38:59 PM
Castlewellan v Clonduff and Burren v Mayobridge definitely the pick. Agree that if the Johnstons return, Kilcoo are favourites again.

In the intermediate, An Riocht surely favourites although Liatroim seem to be resurgent under the new manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on August 19, 2016, 07:50:49 AM
Kilcoo work hard play hard and will be hard to beat ,but if they have a weakness it could be in defence where they might be suspect when faced with a pacey forward line , but they are a slick outfit, Burren may have beat them earlier but Kilcoo may have learned a bit about themselves , so it's Kilcoo for me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on August 19, 2016, 09:34:53 PM
An Riocht will win it if Gavin Corrigan is refereeing the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 24, 2016, 07:23:58 PM
Quote from: saulzer on August 19, 2016, 09:34:53 PM
An Riocht will win it if Gavin Corrigan is refereeing the final.

Gavin is one of the fairest Refs about the circuit. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on August 26, 2016, 07:06:50 AM
Gavin may be fair but like many of our referees he misses a lot and gives odd decisions. No two referees interpret ate the rules the same and the lack of consistency is the problem with refereeing in Down.
It takes balls to stand in the middle and I respect each and every one regardless of grade as without them we have no football.
The standard has improved since the days of Pat Rooney, John Anthony,Frank Gough, Jimmy Flynn etc now these and some others could have started a row in heaven but they refereed some hard hard men and these men had the utmost respect for these refs, so lay of the refs , it's a thankless task and none of them deliberately go out to favour one team over another, and before it asked, I'm not a ref and have been sent of numerous times before the invention of the red card.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on August 26, 2016, 08:41:56 AM
I think you will find the lack of consistency is not just a down matter just look at national level their is a lot of good referees in down but when it comes to championship latter stages of the championship it's the same names and not all who are picked I would say are the best in down!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on August 27, 2016, 09:30:14 AM
went to the games in Newry last night and was mostly disappointed with the level of football on show.Castlewellan started brightly but thereafter Clonduff were in command,Bryansford had more talented players available for selection with Downpatrick having a couple of notable absentees.The dependency on mass defence is absolutely killing our beloved sport, with managers required to get a result almost at any cost,the entertainment level in both games was poor,with shooting from distance largly non-existant and continual hand-passing from side to side accepted by all it seems, i know we in Down are not alone as County teams are exposing the whole nation to this type of behaviour.The Ulster final this year being a prime example .Some Castlewellan fans probably will feel slightly aggreived but i think their team captain Duffin only has himself to blame as his tackle selection and timing were all wrong,although Clonduff will want to perform better with a two man advantage,Reid in goal for Bryansford could be a future solution for Down- Burren and Mayobridge could be interesting with the former all-Ireland winners expected to advance and Kilcoo seem certain to beat Warrenpoint last quarter-final of the seniors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on August 28, 2016, 11:35:12 PM
Burren were very comfortable winners in the end v Mayobridge. Warrenpoint were within touching distance of Kilcoo for a large part of he match but the better team pulled away in the end. Some of the Point's bigger names in the forward line didn't perform at all.
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Post by: whitegoodman on August 29, 2016, 01:55:50 PM
Bridge lost their discipline last night which seems to be a problem for them and the game went away from them after that.  Garvey and big Magee were wasted imo and O Rourke should have started if fit.  Could be the end of the road for Dawson there.

Burren were bang average in first half but a combination of the sending off and Shay McArdle deciding to turn it on meant it was a bit of a hiding in the end.  The return of Donal O Hare, Ryan Trainor and Anton McArdle will help them but they will still rely on the likes of Ciaran and Conal McGovern to pull them through.

The second game always seemed to have an inevitability about it but either Kilcoo are very good at sandbagging or they look one dimensional and one paced without the Johnstons.  If them boys come back in it will make a world of difference to them but its hard to see them being put straight into a championship semi final without any meaningful game time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on August 29, 2016, 05:18:51 PM
PRFC and RFC Finals is on this Saturday in Attical.
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Post by: speculative on August 30, 2016, 12:59:09 PM
The 'Bridge have finally faltered out of the top 4. No longer in the reckoning as serious championship contenders. Massive rebuild needed.

Burren were impressive. Conor Toner and Mark McKay lorded midfield and made their domination count. Expect them to win it, they are undoubtedly the most talented side in the County.
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Post by: Mike Tyson on September 03, 2016, 01:51:43 PM
An Riocht gave us a serious hiding last night, 4-18 to 2-10.

Marty Clarke back to his best. Scored two goals and was playing some beautiful passes. The form he's in right now it will be a farce if he doesn't get asked onto the panel next year.

I'd say they will win Down intermediate at a canter and probably Ulster too. Serious team and great to watch.

We on the other hand seem to have gone backwards since last year. We beat them by 12 in the intermediate final a year ago, so nearly a 30 point swing in a year. Will struggle to make it out out Division 2 on current form.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 05, 2016, 01:00:56 PM
Frank Dawson has left the bridge.............time for T O'Hare to step up  8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 05, 2016, 10:45:43 PM
Left or told to leave?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 05, 2016, 10:56:33 PM
Is that Dawson finished in down football??  Will another team take a punt on him? he's been round alot of the top teams, can't see where he can go now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointman2 on September 06, 2016, 04:16:05 PM
What sensible club would take him?
He has been around a lot of clubs (far too many) - clubs need to wise up and have their own club men manage the teams.

More importantly, who wil win the senior semis?

I go for Burren and Clonduff - time for a change at the top
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Post by: Nanderson on September 06, 2016, 05:23:47 PM
Any confirmed dates for the senior intermediate and junior finals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 06, 2016, 10:14:19 PM
25th Sept Senior & Intermediate
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Post by: Leftmidfield on September 08, 2016, 10:02:45 PM
Good win for CPN v Burren tonight in U16 MFC Q/F. The Point were better all over the field and should have won by more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on September 09, 2016, 05:33:47 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on September 08, 2016, 10:02:45 PM
Good win for CPN v Burren tonight in U16 MFC Q/F. The Point were better all over the field and should have won by more

That's parful. Many teams in that U16 minor championship?
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Post by: Leftmidfield on September 09, 2016, 06:21:26 PM
Not now 😀
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Post by: Mourne Rover on September 09, 2016, 11:43:53 PM
Every year we convince ourselves that Burren are ready to give Kilcoo a game in the SFC knock-out stages and every year they flop again. Kilcoo were missing big Greenan tonight, with the Johnston brothers only fit enough for the bench, and Burren scored a goal in their first attack but still never looked like a championship team.

Kilcoo had a brilliant defence, featuring just the five Branagan brothers, and they squeezed the life out of Burren with the minimum of fuss. Laverty ran the show up front and the Johnstons were excellent when they came on, with Jerome finishing the contest with a clinically taken goal.

Burren seemed to confuse themselves with unusual positional switches and tactics which were hard to fathom, but they also failed to compete in key areas. McKernan had almost no influence on the game and he was not the only  one who dropped his head at an early stage in the second half.

Bredagh produced an impressive performance in the intermediate game and were never really in trouble against their neighbours Carryduff.
It is tough to be a dual player these days but Donal Hughes may well be worth a look for the county football squad as well as starting for the hurlers. Davidson is also a handful and, while An Riocht remain strong favourites for the title, we could yet have a decent final.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 09, 2016, 11:47:09 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on September 08, 2016, 10:02:45 PM
Good win for CPN v Burren tonight in U16 MFC Q/F. The Point were better all over the field and should have won by more

Harps gave Kilcoo a hiding so dont rule us out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 10, 2016, 12:09:26 AM
Kilcoo are some outfit and Jerome is a complete assassin in front of goal.  Burren are physically talented but mentally as weak as them come.  (Plus a manager out of his depth)
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Post by: supersub on September 10, 2016, 08:12:18 AM
I thought Darragh O'Hanlon was outstanding. A few well taken frees, 2 well taken penalties, marked McArdle well, came on to the ball at pace all night from corner back.
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Post by: charlieTully on September 10, 2016, 09:39:59 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on September 10, 2016, 12:09:26 AM
Kilcoo are some outfit and Jerome is a complete assassin in front of goal.  Burren are physically talented but mentally as weak as them come.  (Plus a manager out of his depth)

that goal was sublime.
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Post by: Line Ball on September 10, 2016, 07:40:06 PM
Pity about all the mouths they have in the stand though.  Moaning and bitching about every tackle as if you are not allowed to put a hand on Kilcoo.  They are the most cynical team in Down but cry like a bunch of bitches in the stands about every tackle they don't like or decision they don't get.  Jerome got a wee welcome when he came on alright but if he had come on to face some of the Kilcoo defenders he would have gotten an awful lot worse than a wee shoulder with plenty more besides.  For neutrals wanting to watch a game of football, its very hard to listen to.
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Post by: outinfront on September 10, 2016, 08:33:54 PM
Fair amount of ground and pound going on too haha. Kilcoo's intensity and pace was not matched by Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on September 12, 2016, 11:33:58 AM
Was at both senior semi finals over the weekend and was pleasantly surprised at the amount of fast attacking football rather than the negative defensive stuff off late. Both Kilcoo and Clonduff were by far the better teams on the respective nights. For me Burren and Bryansford have flattered to deceive when getting to this stage in the past few years and Kilcoo definitely have got the mental upper hand in this fixture before a ball is even threw in. I thought their defence was solid on the whole and when they attacked it was at pace with Conor Lavery pulling the strings and then  when the two Johnstons appeared it was game over. I must say though that I was surprised at Burrens positional selection from the start and thought they were slow to make changes when clearly they had better players on the bench to add to an attack line that just wasn't functioning. Clonduff on the other hand against Bryansford after conceding two goals made a switch which won them the game. They switched a couple of defenders and the second guy put the clampers on Conor Maginn and that was Bryansfords biggest threat neutralised. Obviously the sending off for Bryansford had a big impact but for me Clonduff worked tirelessly throughout the game and were by far the better team. So for the final and off course Kilcoo will be strong favourites but the local derby factor may well have an impact on this and Clonduff wont allow Kilcoo to bully them like Burren did. Should be an interesting match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 12, 2016, 01:51:33 PM
Anyone familiar with promotion from Div 3? Is there a play off or is it the team that finishes top win the league, with secodn going up aswell?

How does it work for teams finishing on the same points? Head to head and then points diff or just points diff?
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Post by: Hedgehunter on September 12, 2016, 02:39:16 PM
What did people make of the push on the ref in the Darragh Cross game??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on September 12, 2016, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on September 12, 2016, 01:51:33 PM
Anyone familiar with promotion from Div 3? Is there a play off or is it the team that finishes top win the league, with secodn going up aswell?

How does it work for teams finishing on the same points? Head to head and then points diff or just points diff?

As far i have been told top 2 go up and with teams on same point it goes headtohead if more than 2 teams on same points goes to score diff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 12, 2016, 05:39:51 PM
Typical Burren and Bryansford
Mckernan and Savage will look great against poor teams
The sooner a Down manager has the balls to move on from these kind of lads the better
In a tight game those 2 lads will hide
We have seen it far to often
Kilcoo by 4 in the final but Clonduff will not lie down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 12, 2016, 05:54:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 12, 2016, 05:39:51 PM
Typical Burren and Bryansford
Mckernan and Savage will look great against poor teams
The sooner a Down manager has the balls to move on from these kind of lads the better
In a tight game those 2 lads will hide
We have seen it far to often
Kilcoo by 4 in the final but Clonduff will not lie down

To be fair with regards to Savage I think Burns got it totally wrong in the 2nd half.. Danny Savage who is probably their best and most potent forward was playing sweeper.. Couldn't understand it at all..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointman2 on September 12, 2016, 06:04:09 PM
Why do team managers think they have to do something different and unexpected? Do they think it will fool or confuse the opposition?

The role for Savage was one example. But the Burren line out was far worse - the team was totally changed eg Gerard  McGovern at CHF, Mark McKay at FF and Dan McCartan as a forward?

Such changes are almost an admission that "I do not think we can beat this team". Play to your own strengths and donot confuse your own players.

Kilcoo definitely have it "mentally" over Burren and some of the latter's big name players display that.

Hopefully Clonduff give it a real rattle in the final with no fear of Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on September 13, 2016, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 12, 2016, 05:39:51 PM
Typical Burren and Bryansford
Mckernan and Savage will look great against poor teams
The sooner a Down manager has the balls to move on from these kind of lads the better
In a tight game those 2 lads will hide
We have seen it far to often
Kilcoo by 4 in the final but Clonduff will not lie down
Behave yourself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on September 15, 2016, 09:30:59 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 09, 2016, 11:47:09 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on September 08, 2016, 10:02:45 PM
Good win for CPN v Burren tonight in U16 MFC Q/F. The Point were better all over the field and should have won by more

Harps gave Kilcoo a hiding so dont rule us out.

Point beat bryansford handy. How'd Harps do ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 16, 2016, 12:26:17 AM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on September 15, 2016, 09:30:59 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 09, 2016, 11:47:09 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on September 08, 2016, 10:02:45 PM
Good win for CPN v Burren tonight in U16 MFC Q/F. The Point were better all over the field and should have won by more

Harps gave Kilcoo a hiding so dont rule us out.

Point beat bryansford handy. How'd Harps do ?

Draw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 18, 2016, 05:55:19 PM
Any videos of the 91 lads on the field today??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 18, 2016, 08:19:32 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on September 18, 2016, 05:55:19 PM
Any videos of the 91 lads on the field today??
did they show them or mention them on rte? missed it if they did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 18, 2016, 08:28:01 PM
They never mentioned them or showed a 2nd of it. I could see them on pitch over brollys shoulder. They usually show them every year. Must be an anti northern thing. :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointman2 on September 23, 2016, 11:13:47 AM
Anybody on here who cares about who wins on Sunday?

Kilcoo are strong favourites and should win......but so were Dublin last week.

Local derby, complacency on behalf of Kilcoo, poor weather, little bits of luck going Clonduff's way.......

A shock possible?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on September 23, 2016, 11:17:08 AM
Despite My limited knowledge of down football I can't see complacency creeping in, having seen Kilcoo a number of times over the last lock of years they seem to really turn it on when it matters at the business end of things, if Clonduff run them close or get a shock it will be their own doing. They have a good set up this year and from what am told very fit so wouldn't be ruling it out completely
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on September 23, 2016, 12:04:08 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 18, 2016, 08:28:01 PM
They never mentioned them or showed a 2nd of it. I could see them on pitch over brollys shoulder. They usually show them every year. Must be an anti northern thing. :(

I heard from a player that he was very pleased the way Croke park looked after them.

But as for RTE - poor effort. They could at least have stuck it up on rte player or what have you.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 23, 2016, 05:57:25 PM
Quote from: pointman2 on September 23, 2016, 11:13:47 AM
Anybody on here who cares about who wins on Sunday?

Kilcoo are strong favourites and should win......but so were Dublin last week.

Local derby, complacency on behalf of Kilcoo, poor weather, little bits of luck going Clonduff's way.......

A shock possible?
a shock is definitely possible. c'mon the yella's!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ashman on September 25, 2016, 10:48:00 AM
Did the Down hurling final end 0-6 to 0-2.   Was the weather awful ?? Game poor ?? Or negative tactics ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on September 25, 2016, 11:59:17 AM
Quote from: ashman on September 25, 2016, 10:48:00 AM
Did the Down hurling final end 0-6 to 0-2.   Was the weather awful ?? Game poor ?? Or negative tactics ???
Half time was 6.2 as well . No score in 2nd half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 25, 2016, 03:20:46 PM
Bredagh really turned the screw in the last 20!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 25, 2016, 04:42:23 PM
I think the fellas still remember 2011.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on September 25, 2016, 07:25:35 PM
The question is, can Kilcoo win Ulster ? I'm not convinced they can , having watched their previous attempts and watched this current team I think they were better equipped previously, I sincerely hope I'm wrong , I have the greatest respect for their achievements but it's the physical contests in heavy conditions where they might be found wanting ,it's the heart verses head thing but good luck. UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 25, 2016, 07:38:19 PM
thought clonduff would have run kilcoo a bit closer but you have to say kilcoo were far superior in every postion and won pulling up. a couple of errors in 1st half led to kilcoo goals and after that there was only one winner. hope they can go on and give ulster a rattle. 5 in a row is some achievement.
well done to bredagh as well, very impressive performances by hughes and davidson in attack.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 25, 2016, 08:27:08 PM
Kilcoo are a serious outfit and today's final was effectively over as soon as their first goal went in. There may be a question mark over their size down the middle but they are brilliantly organised, have pace all over the field and a decent bench. While there are some very strong sides around in the Ulster championship, and Kilcoo have a tough preliminary round tie away to the Monaghan championships, they should give it a rattle.

Bredagh produced an outstanding display in the intermediate, particularly as they were 3/1 with Paddy Power. Davison hit two fine goals, although he might have had another three as An Riocht folded after the break. There will be something wrong if Donal Hughes is not given a run at county level. as he has been brilliant throughout Bredagh's championship run.  Marty Clarke may have been carrying a knock but he was not in the contest at any stage, and Bredagh's overall fitness looked at a different level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 26, 2016, 09:23:30 AM
Outstanding achievement by Bredagh. They have made serious progress in the past few years. Hughes and Davidson should be in the new Down squad come November. An Riocht totally underperformed.
I thought Kilcoo were trundling along in third gear. They could have opened Clonduff up a lot more. A supreme outfit on and off the pitch. Some of the smaller things the collective do makes all the difference. Such is their class. Ulster will have been their target all season and a big performance will be needed to oust the Monaghan champs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 26, 2016, 11:19:16 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 26, 2016, 09:23:30 AM
Outstanding achievement by Bredagh. They have made serious progress in the past few years. Hughes and Davidson should be in the new Down squad come November. An Riocht totally underperformed.
I thought Kilcoo were trundling along in third gear. They could have opened Clonduff up a lot more. A supreme outfit on and off the pitch. Some of the smaller things the collective do makes all the difference. Such is their class. Ulster will have been their target all season and a big performance will be needed to oust the Monaghan champs.

Hughes is already in the Down squad.

Hurling one that is.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 26, 2016, 11:30:58 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 26, 2016, 11:19:16 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 26, 2016, 09:23:30 AM
Outstanding achievement by Bredagh. They have made serious progress in the past few years. Hughes and Davidson should be in the new Down squad come November. An Riocht totally underperformed.
I thought Kilcoo were trundling along in third gear. They could have opened Clonduff up a lot more. A supreme outfit on and off the pitch. Some of the smaller things the collective do makes all the difference. Such is their class. Ulster will have been their target all season and a big performance will be needed to oust the Monaghan champs.

Hughes is already in the Down squad.

Hurling one that is.

Fair play Johnny,  and congrats on the victory at the weekend. Ballygalget should be a model for every club in the county, to be able to be competitive at Down , Ulster and All-Ireland level over the years, with a tiny population is an incredible achievement. Particularly delighted for Johnny McGrattan.
Regarding Hughes, he has been a quality dual player for years, could he be a dual Intercounty senior? The geography of our county doesn't make it easy , but he's a definitely a class act at both codes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 26, 2016, 12:10:13 PM
What a year it has been for us, intermediate champions at football and hurling and senior champions in ladies football, plus east down minor football, u16 hurling and we could win another 1 or 2. Reading the papers in the run up to the game we, in bonus territory, An Riochts to lose blah blah blah, we won well and Donal Hughes was superb and fully deserved his MOTM award.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 27, 2016, 10:49:03 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 26, 2016, 12:10:13 PM
What a year it has been for us, intermediate champions at football and hurling and senior champions in ladies football, plus east down minor football, u16 hurling and we could win another 1 or 2. Reading the papers in the run up to the game we, in bonus territory, An Riochts to lose blah blah blah, we won well and Donal Hughes was superb and fully deserved his MOTM award.

You forgot the minor hurling shield as well square ball..

As for Donal and the football, in the Hughes household I'm sure football isn't high on the agenda with the Da being a Ballycran man and the mum from Ballycastle IIRC, to borrow a Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh saying, neither is a footballing stronghold, but fair play to the lad if Burns does give him a call up.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 27, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Bit of a joke St Pauls not fielding against Dundrum when they have a possibility of winning Division 4, any reason for them choosing not to tog out?? :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on September 27, 2016, 08:24:17 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 27, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Bit of a joke St Pauls not fielding against Dundrum when they have a possibility of winning Division 4, any reason for them choosing not to tog out?? :-\

Now that is just STUPID
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: nmsmithy96 on September 28, 2016, 06:40:52 PM
Great achievement for Kilcoo winning the 5 in a row and there's no reason why they can't upset the odds and win Ulster. Crossmaglen were nearly overturned in the Armagh quarter final at the weekend so anything is possible. Does anyone know how relegation from the SFC works or have relegation matches already been played?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 05, 2016, 12:44:06 PM
Anyone know why Loughinisland Kingdom game postponed again last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 05, 2016, 12:58:21 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 05, 2016, 12:44:06 PM
Anyone know why Loughinisland Kingdom game postponed again last night?

Lead to believe we wanted the game moved to a weekend as we were giving up home advantage & An Riocht were apparently getting to play Liatrom next weekend after the league deadline. CCC disagreed and gave An Riocht the points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on October 05, 2016, 01:25:26 PM
Looks like it is down on web as conceded by Loughinisland but I find that bizarre
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 05, 2016, 01:58:43 PM
2 years running Loughinisland have been in a predicament at the tail end of the season when promotion is in the mix.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on October 05, 2016, 04:59:45 PM
That's a very big call on Loughinisland's part. Surely this was agreed ages ago so why the last minute change. If they really wanted promotion then this should have been sorted and they should have played away. Poor decision from them IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 05, 2016, 05:29:43 PM
Quote from: downup on October 05, 2016, 04:59:45 PM
That's a very big call on Loughinisland's part. Surely this was agreed ages ago so why the last minute change. If they really wanted promotion then this should have been sorted and they should have played away. Poor decision from them IMO.

If An Riocht aren't being made to play all their league games before this weekend why should we? The county board knew Liatrom were in the minor final a few weeks ago so could have re-arranged the An Riocht v Liatrom match then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 05, 2016, 05:51:10 PM
I'm with loughinisland with this one.Why should they have to play and An Rioct are given an extra week?Could liatrom not have played at 11 on Sunday morning?I would imagine Island will push this.All leagues meant to be finished on the same day
Call all the division 2 matches off until the following week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 05, 2016, 06:37:10 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 05, 2016, 05:51:10 PM
I'm with loughinisland with this one.Why should they have to play and An Rioct are given an extra week?Could liatrom not have played at 11 on Sunday morning?I would imagine Island will push this.All leagues meant to be finished on the same day
Call all the division 2 matches off until the following week

I'm going to play devils advocate on this one. I would imagine that several of liatroim's minors are on their clubs senior squad, they were also in the minor hurling final and are in ulster Jhc, so this is an unusual scenario. Loughinisland had a few outstanding games throughout the year , and every opportunity should be taken by clubs to get these games played before the loss of light from September onwards restricts playing of home games to a Saturday or Sunday (if a club doesn't have lights) .
I remember a number of years ago in our own club where we had 2 outstanding games and we had to play games at 6pm on a Friday and 11am on a Sunday to meet the deadline date.
I don't know loughinislands circumstances around the outstanding games, but I think if they had any opportunity to play their outstanding games before now, they probably should have taken it, rather than risking conceding the game. Liatroim as a dual club , & with an unusually heavy schedule this past few weeks, probably earned some leeway from the county board, particularly with reference to the load being placed on their minor players due to their recent success.
An Riocht have inadvertently benefitted from an unusual situation. Postponing a whole round of fixtures for a further week would also be unfair as players from all clubs could have made holiday/other arrangements , on the basis of the acfl finishing on October 8th. Frustrating for Loughinisland I know, but I think there's few other options
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 05, 2016, 06:56:22 PM
Agree with everything above. This game was originally postponed in May, ridiculous that it is still not played by now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 05, 2016, 07:42:49 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 05, 2016, 06:37:10 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 05, 2016, 05:51:10 PM
I'm with loughinisland with this one.Why should they have to play and An Rioct are given an extra week?Could liatrom not have played at 11 on Sunday morning?I would imagine Island will push this.All leagues meant to be finished on the same day
Call all the division 2 matches off until the following week

I'm going to play devils advocate on this one. I would imagine that several of liatroim's minors are on their clubs senior squad, they were also in the minor hurling final and are in ulster Jhc, so this is an unusual scenario. Loughinisland had a few outstanding games throughout the year , and every opportunity should be taken by clubs to get these games played before the loss of light from September onwards restricts playing of home games to a Saturday or Sunday (if a club doesn't have lights) .
I remember a number of years ago in our own club where we had 2 outstanding games and we had to play games at 6pm on a Friday and 11am on a Sunday to meet the deadline date.
I don't know loughinislands circumstances around the outstanding games, but I think if they had any opportunity to play their outstanding games before now, they probably should have taken it, rather than risking conceding the game. Liatroim as a dual club , & with an unusually heavy schedule this past few weeks, probably earned some leeway from the county board, particularly with reference to the load being placed on their minor players due to their recent success.
An Riocht have inadvertently benefitted from an unusual situation. Postponing a whole round of fixtures for a further week would also be unfair as players from all clubs could have made holiday/other arrangements , on the basis of the acfl finishing on October 8th. Frustrating for Loughinisland I know, but I think there's few other options

An Riochts run to the intermediate final caused further problems trying to reschedule it as it obviously couldn't be played when we were free on Championship weekends. We also had several other outstanding games to be fitted in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on October 05, 2016, 08:14:47 PM
This game had been fixed for last Tuesday for quite a while. Fixed by Loughinisland and agreed by An Riocht.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 05, 2016, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: extra time on October 05, 2016, 08:14:47 PM
This game had been fixed for last Tuesday for quite a while. Fixed by Loughinisland and agreed by An Riocht.

It had indeed. This was due to the fact that all league games were meant to be tied up by this weekend. However given that An Riocht Liatrom is being played after this point, why can we not reschedule this to after this weekend and have a home game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 05, 2016, 08:48:59 PM
have to agree with loughinisland's position on this one, if an riocht can play liatroim after the deadline, why can loughinisland not play after it? in such an important match for both teams why should loughinisland give up home advantage. an riocht getting promoted in this way is a bit of a joke. imo leagues should be over well before now, most teams couldnt care less at this stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on October 05, 2016, 08:53:44 PM
An riocht are not playing after the dead line they play leitrim tomara nite in an riocht under lights
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 05, 2016, 09:02:06 PM
Quote from: super reds 99 on October 05, 2016, 08:53:44 PM
An riocht are not playing after the dead line they play leitrim tomara nite in an riocht under lights

Yea but is that not due to the fact last nights match was called off? If it was scheduled to be played tomorrow before Tuesday then I can't understand what our committee are complaining about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 05, 2016, 09:40:58 PM
An riocht only playing tomorrow night after last night's game was called off. All a bit of a mess, games being played whenever and wherever just to get them played.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on October 05, 2016, 09:42:00 PM
Provided the game is eventually played,which I suspect it will,is it still possible for loughinisland to gain promotion?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on October 05, 2016, 09:51:20 PM
The game will not be played cut off point is saturday clubs have known this sense June may be some clubs can't get.players home from England during the week!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on October 05, 2016, 09:54:59 PM
Okay,but hypothetically,could they still get promoted if it was played?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 05, 2016, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: east down gael on October 05, 2016, 09:54:59 PM
Okay,but hypothetically,could they still get promoted if it was played?
if loughinisland beat an riocht and won their last game, they would need an riocht to lose 1 of their last 2 games against liatroim or darragh cross.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on October 05, 2016, 10:03:17 PM
So it wouldn't really matter if the game isn't played as an riocht are unlikely to lose either of them two.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 05, 2016, 10:07:26 PM
Liatrom to play 3 games in 4 days.That makes a complete mockery of the leagues?Who makes the fixtures by the way?We went for weeks during the summer with no games .Good move by An Riocht to get the games played thou before the deadline date
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on October 05, 2016, 10:37:02 PM
Yes, makes a mockery of the league and tarnishes An Riocht's now very likely final position as league champions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Corner Forward on October 05, 2016, 11:02:40 PM
Was this fixture originally due to be played in May? If so is there not a 13 day period from the date of the original fixture within which the refixed game must be played?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 06, 2016, 08:11:50 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 05, 2016, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: east down gael on October 05, 2016, 09:54:59 PM
Okay,but hypothetically,could they still get promoted if it was played?
if loughinisland beat an riocht and won their last game, they would need an riocht to lose 1 of their last 2 games against liatroim or darragh cross.

If it was replayed and we beat An Riocht & Annaclone, with An Riocht winning their remaining games, both would finish level on points. What way does it work then? Score difference or head to head over the two league games?

It's a farce that it's come down to rushing games through the last few weeks. We played Darragh Cross end of June and didn't have another game until our championship match with Castlewellan. There were four weeks in between which a few games could have been played.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2016, 08:19:30 AM
Anyword coming out from the county board on this matter?
Surely Liatrom playing 3 games in 4 days is not in the rules?
Different clubs playing games on other clubs pitches because they have no light? How has it come to this?As was mentioned before 5/6 Friday's during the summer there was no football played.
The county board need to take a stand here.Hardly fair on Island to have to give up home advantage in a massive game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on October 06, 2016, 08:42:06 AM
Regarding Loughinisland v An Riocht here's the facts , Jarlath Tinnelly stated all games had to be played on or before 08/10/16 , fair enough , the game against An Riocht was originally postponed because of a death in their parish, for various reasons beyond the clubs control this game and several others had been postponed, the club with the help of neighbouring clubs worked to get al, games played before 08/10/2016, we had proposed to ccc that our game against Bredagh be played 15/10/16 at the Dub under lights we were told no chance , the game was played under lights at Abbey Nwery , so we played 5 games within 2 weeks, now we were going to play at Kilcoo under lights on Tuesday past and Annaclone on Sat coming 08/10/16 , so all our games would be fulfilled, Leitrim have been forced to play 3 games on successive nights (so much for player welfare) ,we learned that 2 games in div 3 have been fixed with ccc approval on 15/10/16, and the game in our div between Darragh and Bredagh fixed for the same date , so why have we been forced to give up home advantage, p,ay games under lights in Newry , what is the agenda of the ccc, last year they forced us to play a promotion game against Longstone 6 days before an Ulster championship game , what the feck is happening why is the ccc under the guidance of messers Tinnelly and Devenny not forcing all clubs to play games on or before 15/10/16, the same clowns who every year make a nonsense of the fixtures, not a bit of wonder our county is in the state it is, and the clown Devenny is our new county chairman in waiting , God feckin help us , my advice to you sir is stick to your wannabe commentary career.USE your common sense regarding o/s fixtures ,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 06, 2016, 09:10:50 AM
Quote from: oileain blues on October 06, 2016, 08:42:06 AM
Regarding Loughinisland v An Riocht here's the facts , Jarlath Tinnelly stated all games had to be played on or before 08/10/16 , fair enough , the game against An Riocht was originally postponed because of a death in their parish, for various reasons beyond the clubs control this game and several others had been postponed, the club with the help of neighbouring clubs worked to get al, games played before 08/10/2016, we had proposed to ccc that our game against Bredagh be played 15/10/16 at the Dub under lights we were told no chance , the game was played under lights at Abbey Nwery , so we played 5 games within 2 weeks, now we were going to play at Kilcoo under lights on Tuesday past and Annaclone on Sat coming 08/10/16 , so all our games would be fulfilled, Leitrim have been forced to play 3 games on successive nights (so much for player welfare) ,we learned that 2 games in div 3 have been fixed with ccc approval on 15/10/16, and the game in our div between Darragh and Bredagh fixed for the same date , so why have we been forced to give up home advantage, p,ay games under lights in Newry , what is the agenda of the ccc, last year they forced us to play a promotion game against Longstone 6 days before an Ulster championship game , what the feck is happening why is the ccc under the guidance of messers Tinnelly and Devenny not forcing all clubs to play games on or before 15/10/16, the same clowns who every year make a nonsense of the fixtures, not a bit of wonder our county is in the state it is, and the clown Devenny is our new county chairman in waiting , God feckin help us , my advice to you sir is stick to your wannabe commentary career.USE your common sense regarding o/s fixtures ,

Seriously. To the left of the  '?' key on your keyboard. Use it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on October 06, 2016, 09:43:32 AM
    Some clubs call games off for the daftest of reasons and don't refix to a suitable date and then come on cryin here when forced to play them.The games to be played after the 8th don't count as regards relegation or promotion but the ones being discussed here do matter and loughinisland seem to want to do everything their way.Same old/same old.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2016, 10:08:12 AM
Hardly loughinisland fault.One rule for one and all that
Rules are rules the cut of point was the 8th and now that has been put back
From what I hear Newry Bosco have been force to play their game on the 15th but they are going ahead and playing in this Saturday
Do these men that make the fixtures know that there is more than 1 pitch in Down.The only time you see them is at Newry from the quarter finals on in the championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 06, 2016, 10:47:53 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 05, 2016, 05:51:10 PM
I'm with loughinisland with this one.Why should they have to play and An Rioct are given an extra week?Could liatrom not have played at 11 on Sunday morning?I would imagine Island will push this.All leagues meant to be finished on the same day
Call all the division 2 matches off until the following week

Liatroim senior hurlers play in the Ulster junior championship on Sunday.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2016, 10:51:10 AM
I meant last Sunday morning?
I'm taking nothing away from Liatrom here lads I'm only putting it out there
Fair play to then to play 3 senior matches in 4 days and hurling on Sunday??
Is that right
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 06, 2016, 11:07:29 AM
I think the problem is that div 1/2 with 12 teams means that they have had to squeeze in 4 more games than div3 for example.
The late start to the leagues in April means that it's very difficult to get all the fixtures played, taking into account that div 1/2 have more county players at all levels, and more dual players.
In my opinion, recent changes to the championship structure have proved a great success, and I feel that a further simple development would be to have a championship relegation quarter finals and semi finals to keep more players active at a time of the season , when clubs have most players available. Rather than loads of players twiddling their thumbs waiting on the next league game, as they have been knocked out of the championship.
It's nearly impossible to squeeze in the fixture list in div 1/2, as  quite rightly , clubs resist any proposed increase in starred fixtures, & don't want the leagues to start earlier as they don't want to play too many important  games without county players, and most don't want to sacrifice the July holiday break.
League football is of vital importance in Down , mostly due to its link to championship status. If we have an extended championship, with status detached from the AcFl , these perennial issues around league fixtures will reduce . In such a system club players get games most weeks , and county players ( especially fringe players) can play all championship games and any club  league games when they don't effect inter-county championship preparation.
If we don't start to be imaginative about getting players regular annually planned fixtures, we run the risk of losing club players and putting clubs under more pressure. This would include a simple principle that in the event of drawn games, or postponed games ,the replay/refixture has to be played midweek.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on October 06, 2016, 11:31:33 AM
Another issue is that due to the AIF replay all matches being moved to Sunday from Saturday and with An Riocht match being postponed on Sunday,Loughinisland would have to play a must win game (1 day recovery) against significantly fresher opponents. An Riocht vs Liatrim being called off gave An Riocht a significant physical advantage going into aTuesdays match
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2016, 11:40:18 AM
9 games were played in 4 weeks at the start of the year for crying out loud.So it's taken 5 months and still can't get the other 14 games played
Laughable if you ask me.Some leaders at the top table in this county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 06, 2016, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on October 06, 2016, 11:31:33 AM
Another issue is that due to the AIF replay all matches being moved to Sunday from Saturday and with An Riocht match being postponed on Sunday,Loughinisland would have to play a must win game (1 day recovery) against significantly fresher opponents. An Riocht vs Liatrim being called off gave An Riocht a significant physical advantage going into aTuesdays match

Another point which this highlights is the availability of floodlit venues. If clubs/schools and county boards were able to cooperate to provide a few more floodlit venues it would solve a lot of issues, and provide much more flexibility on several levels. Every club should be encouraged to either provide their own floodlights or secure access to a floodlit venue. We're probably not far away from that at present and a couple more floodlit venues in the county, would not only solve some of these fixture conundrums but provide opportunities for floodlit football tournaments extending the season for our youth .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on October 06, 2016, 01:32:40 PM
Mike Tyson - my point is that unless Loughinisland got confirmation that they would get to refix this match after the deadline then it was a very big call to make not to fulfil the fixture and giving the significance of the result IMO it was the wrong call!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 06, 2016, 01:49:28 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2016, 11:40:18 AM
9 games were played in 4 weeks at the start of the year for crying out loud.So it's taken 5 months and still can't get the other 14 games played
Laughable if you ask me.Some leaders at the top table in this county

This one isn't a leadership problem.

We had 12 team leagues a decade ago and they always completed in October, with playoffs dragging into the first week of November.

It's what happens when you want to fit 22 league matches, a back door championship format, county commitments and July breaks into a single summer.

Easiest solution is 10-team leagues. But the clubs would complain about not enough football in that case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 06, 2016, 02:25:58 PM
Would agree wobbler , those that criticise our fixture makers must have little knowledge of the goings on in other counties. Also they can have no appreciation of how many factors that CCC have to take into account when organising fixtures eg pitch availability, referee availability , floodlit availability, dual clashes, minor/reserve clashes, all Ireland Intercounty and ulster club fixtures, county commitments at various levels , and that's just for starters. Jarlath Tinnelly has the toughest job in the county in many ways, and like every club we have had issues over a small number of fixtures over the years, but At the same time it's hard not to respect how CCC does an almost impossible task , very well. Whereas I respect loughinislands position, Perhaps only a rigid application of a 10 day rule around re-fixtures Can avoid these problems in future years.
Wobblers suggestion of a 10 team league seems the simplest solution, but for most clubs that does not satisfy the Gaa guidelines of at least 22 fixtures for senior teams.
I think the key thing is that we must aim to provide all players with weekly games, the current system does not allow for that . Sport should be about enjoyment and competitive games are essential for that. Weekly games are absolutely vital , for club and county players. The current system where county players can spend weeks with no county games, is part of the problem . I think if players are with the county and unavailable to clubs they should be playing county games, while club games should go ahead without them. However when they return to their clubs there should be weekly games, as opposed to them being inactive again, if they are knocked out of the club championship. The GPA would gain real credibility, if they drove a national club and Intercounty fixture plan, providing regular games for club and county players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 06, 2016, 04:34:05 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 06, 2016, 02:25:58 PM
Would agree wobbler , those that criticise our fixture makers must have little knowledge of the goings on in other counties. Also they can have no appreciation of how many factors that CCC have to take into account when organising fixtures eg pitch availability, referee availability , floodlit availability, dual clashes, minor/reserve clashes, all Ireland Intercounty and ulster club fixtures, county commitments at various levels , and that's just for starters. Jarlath Tinnelly has the toughest job in the county in many ways, and like every club we have had issues over a small number of fixtures over the years, but At the same time it's hard not to respect how CCC does an almost impossible task , very well. Whereas I respect loughinislands position, Perhaps only a rigid application of a 10 day rule around re-fixtures Can avoid these problems in future years.
Wobblers suggestion of a 10 team league seems the simplest solution, but for most clubs that does not satisfy the Gaa guidelines of at least 22 fixtures for senior teams.
I think the key thing is that we must aim to provide all players with weekly games, the current system does not allow for that . Sport should be about enjoyment and competitive games are essential for that. Weekly games are absolutely vital , for club and county players. The current system where county players can spend weeks with no county games, is part of the problem . I think if players are with the county and unavailable to clubs they should be playing county games, while club games should go ahead without them. However when they return to their clubs there should be weekly games, as opposed to them being inactive again, if they are knocked out of the club championship. The GPA would gain real credibility, if they drove a national club and Intercounty fixture plan, providing regular games for club and county players.

Bloody hell, the hurling clubs in Down really are getting short changed in relation to fixtures. I'd be surprised our Div1 or Div2 hurlers got half those games a year in Down!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 06, 2016, 04:47:24 PM
Well the reality is that nobody gives a flyin f**k about Hurling in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on October 06, 2016, 05:00:39 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 06, 2016, 04:47:24 PM
Well the reality is that nobody gives a flyin f**k about Hurling in the county.
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Asking Liatroim's minors to play 2 county finals in 4 days proves that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 06, 2016, 11:22:50 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 06, 2016, 04:34:05 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 06, 2016, 02:25:58 PM
Would agree wobbler , those that criticise our fixture makers must have little knowledge of the goings on in other counties. Also they can have no appreciation of how many factors that CCC have to take into account when organising fixtures eg pitch availability, referee availability , floodlit availability, dual clashes, minor/reserve clashes, all Ireland Intercounty and ulster club fixtures, county commitments at various levels , and that's just for starters. Jarlath Tinnelly has the toughest job in the county in many ways, and like every club we have had issues over a small number of fixtures over the years, but At the same time it's hard not to respect how CCC does an almost impossible task , very well. Whereas I respect loughinislands position, Perhaps only a rigid application of a 10 day rule around re-fixtures Can avoid these problems in future years.
Wobblers suggestion of a 10 team league seems the simplest solution, but for most clubs that does not satisfy the Gaa guidelines of at least 22 fixtures for senior teams.
I think the key thing is that we must aim to provide all players with weekly games, the current system does not allow for that . Sport should be about enjoyment and competitive games are essential for that. Weekly games are absolutely vital , for club and county players. The current system where county players can spend weeks with no county games, is part of the problem . I think if players are with the county and unavailable to clubs they should be playing county games, while club games should go ahead without them. However when they return to their clubs there should be weekly games, as opposed to them being inactive again, if they are knocked out of the club championship. The GPA would gain real credibility, if they drove a national club and Intercounty fixture plan, providing regular games for club and county players.

Bloody hell, the hurling clubs in Down really are getting short changed in relation to fixtures. I'd be surprised our Div1 or Div2 hurlers got half those games a year in Down!!
That's because there are only three proper Hurling Clubs in Down playing in that place called Antrim plus a gather up of others playing each other at least three times a season at a level associated with Divisional reserve football.
   In the Div2 fiasco, it should never that got to where it has landed.Ccc should have foreseen all this at the end of June and planned accordingly as now we're at the stage of cutting the sh-te out of everyone and in-fighting.Sad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gala head on October 06, 2016, 11:25:39 PM
How did the An Riocht game go tonight ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on October 07, 2016, 09:21:51 AM
An Riocht beat Leitrim minors by 5 points last night , so its Div 2 for the Island next yer, bitterly disappointed in the guys who run our county, they have shafted our club for the second year running, its ironic tht when they want financial support they come running, our club down through the years have always supported our county and this is how we are treated, at the last count 7 clubs had not paid their player ins, there are several clubs who owe thousands in back fees, do these clubs receive sanctions ? , course they dont.
There are no rules or by laws regarding fair play within the Gaa , its something that should be looked at, good luck to Downpatrick in Div 1 next year, An Riocht ,you reap what you sow!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 07, 2016, 09:44:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on October 06, 2016, 11:22:50 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on October 06, 2016, 04:34:05 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 06, 2016, 02:25:58 PM
Would agree wobbler , those that criticise our fixture makers must have little knowledge of the goings on in other counties. Also they can have no appreciation of how many factors that CCC have to take into account when organising fixtures eg pitch availability, referee availability , floodlit availability, dual clashes, minor/reserve clashes, all Ireland Intercounty and ulster club fixtures, county commitments at various levels , and that's just for starters. Jarlath Tinnelly has the toughest job in the county in many ways, and like every club we have had issues over a small number of fixtures over the years, but At the same time it's hard not to respect how CCC does an almost impossible task , very well. Whereas I respect loughinislands position, Perhaps only a rigid application of a 10 day rule around re-fixtures Can avoid these problems in future years.
Wobblers suggestion of a 10 team league seems the simplest solution, but for most clubs that does not satisfy the Gaa guidelines of at least 22 fixtures for senior teams.
I think the key thing is that we must aim to provide all players with weekly games, the current system does not allow for that . Sport should be about enjoyment and competitive games are essential for that. Weekly games are absolutely vital , for club and county players. The current system where county players can spend weeks with no county games, is part of the problem . I think if players are with the county and unavailable to clubs they should be playing county games, while club games should go ahead without them. However when they return to their clubs there should be weekly games, as opposed to them being inactive again, if they are knocked out of the club championship. The GPA would gain real credibility, if they drove a national club and Intercounty fixture plan, providing regular games for club and county players.

Bloody hell, the hurling clubs in Down really are getting short changed in relation to fixtures. I'd be surprised our Div1 or Div2 hurlers got half those games a year in Down!!
That's because there are only three proper Hurling Clubs in Down playing in that place called Antrim plus a gather up of others playing each other at least three times a season at a level associated with Divisional reserve football.
   In the Div2 fiasco, it should never that got to where it has landed.Ccc should have foreseen all this at the end of June and planned accordingly as now we're at the stage of cutting the sh-te out of everyone and in-fighting.Sad.

And if we didn't play in a place called Antrim, we'd be sorted by our CB?  I'd very much doubt it and its one of the reasons other hurling clubs in Down are forced to look to Antrim for proper hurling fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 07, 2016, 10:00:32 AM
Say the match had been refixed for next week. If an riocht win on Saturday it's irrelevant any way is that correct?

Would it not have been better to just play it on Tuesday and hope that a loughinisland win would put some pressure on an riocht to slip up in remaining games?

I understand that home advantage is a big thing etc and totally sympathise. Not getting at anyone or either team, just wondering.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 07, 2016, 10:09:42 AM
Quote from: outinfront on October 07, 2016, 10:00:32 AM
Say the match had been refixed for next week. If an riocht win on Saturday it's irrelevant any way is that correct?

Would it not have been better to just play it on Tuesday and hope that a loughinisland win would put some pressure on an riocht to slip up in remaining games?

I understand that home advantage is a big thing etc and totally sympathise. Not getting at anyone or either team, just wondering.

If we had played on Tuesday and won, presuming we beat Annaclone and An Riocht beat St Johns & Liatrom we would both finish level on points.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 07, 2016, 10:18:23 AM
Ah right ok. Well in that case would it still not have been better to play it all be it not the ideal scenario? An riocht would still be ahead on score difference if it was a tie at the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 07, 2016, 10:43:24 AM
Quote from: outinfront on October 07, 2016, 10:18:23 AM
Ah right ok. Well in that case would it still not have been better to play it all be it not the ideal scenario? An riocht would still be ahead on score difference if it was a tie at the end.

Yea it probably would have, but sure it's done now and we'll be in division 2 for another year. Maybe we'll get up next year, 3rd time lucky and all that...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on October 07, 2016, 10:55:04 AM
From my understanding Loughinisland requested for the CCC to postpone the fixture following their match on Sunday on Sunday afternoon when they learnt that An Riocht vs Leitrim had not gone ahead. Their concerns being that An Riocht had more preparation time and that  An Riocht vs Leitrim would be played after 8th given that An Riocht where playing on Tuesday night and Leitrim on Wednesday and that it would be unheard of for a team to play two matches in two days given the scheduled matches on Saturday, ruling out a Thursday/Friday match. With that being the case they also felt that they shouldn't have to give up home venue either then.The CCC told them they would hold a meeting on Tuesday evening to make a decision, which at that stage the match would have been played and it would have been too late. Also if An Riocht/Leitrim had of been played with the other fixtures Leitrim where still in danger of being relegated, but following Sunday's results that was no longer the case for the refixture

Another question is that as the  CCC made no indication to Loughinisland that An Riocht Leitrim would be palyed before Saturday where they hoping that An Riocht beat the Island and that would remove that problem? If the match had of went ahead on Tuesday and Island won would An Riocht Leitrim have been played last night?

All that Loughinisland wanted was fairness, and Loughinislanfd feel that they have been subjected to a witch hunt by the co board following what happened last year with their playoff with Longstone when they where forced to play a playoff whilst preparing for their Ulster Championship campaign when in previous years clubs had been allowed to focus on Ulster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 07, 2016, 11:01:48 AM
Yeah all a bit of a mess. As you say it's done now and third time lucky maybe. Like CPN and loughinisland I hope we can strive towards an Ulster title.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 07, 2016, 11:13:30 AM
Quote from: outinfront on October 07, 2016, 11:01:48 AM
Yeah all a bit of a mess. As you say it's done now and third time lucky maybe. Like CPN and loughinisland I hope we can strive towards an Ulster title.

I agree, would be great to see a Down team win the title for the third year in a row. No reason why Bredagh cant, they ran us close last year & beat us well this year. I hope use go on tin win Ulster.

On that note, what are the downs team chances across the various grades? If Kilcoo get over Scotstown they'll surely fancy Ulster.

Who would be favourites for the intermediate & juniors?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 07, 2016, 12:18:04 PM
You must give An Riocht serious credit for the way they have played the system here, obviously calling a number of games off to suit themselves and refixtures at times when most clubs have nothing to play for, its very smart work, Loughinisland should have seen what was coming and demanded the game be played earlier which would have put pressure on An Riocht. The situation should not have occurred in the first place, far too many games this year across the board have been called off or switched for silly reasons. Heavier fines and points deductions wouldn't be too long sorting the mess out. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 07, 2016, 01:19:23 PM
I don't understand why we don't have a system whereby the leagues are finished before the championship starts.  They do this in Armagh and you don't have any of these issues at the end of the league where there are fixtures in October where one team is playing for something and the other may not even be training.

The first division will end up a farce as well if Kilcoo do well in Ulster as they wont want to play a league final when they have more important games to think about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on October 07, 2016, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 07, 2016, 12:18:04 PM
You must give An Riocht serious credit for the way they have played the system here, obviously calling a number of games off to suit themselves and refixtures at times when most clubs have nothing to play for, its very smart work, Loughinisland should have seen what was coming and demanded the game be played earlier which would have put pressure on An Riocht. The situation should not have occurred in the first place, far too many games this year across the board have been called off or switched for silly reasons. Heavier fines and points deductions wouldn't be too long sorting the mess out.
What a load of bollocks. This game was called off by us originally due to the sad death of the mother of 3 of our players. Other than a match with St Johns, which we moved 2 days earlier and lost bth, we have not called any other games off. Loughinisland had a backlog of games and to their credit submitted dates and venues for their back fixtures. We just happened to be one of them and that was last Tuesday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on October 07, 2016, 03:03:59 PM
Quote from: extra time on October 07, 2016, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 07, 2016, 12:18:04 PM
You must give An Riocht serious credit for the way they have played the system here, obviously calling a number of games off to suit themselves and refixtures at times when most clubs have nothing to play for, its very smart work, Loughinisland should have seen what was coming and demanded the game be played earlier which would have put pressure on An Riocht. The situation should not have occurred in the first place, far too many games this year across the board have been called off or switched for silly reasons. Heavier fines and points deductions wouldn't be too long sorting the mess out.
What a load of bollocks. This game was called off by us originally due to the sad death of the mother of 3 of our players. Other than a match with St Johns, which we moved 2 days earlier and lost bth, we have not called any other games off. Loughinisland had a backlog of games and to their credit submitted dates and venues for their back fixtures. We just happened to be one of them and that was last Tuesday.

Extra time, would you not agree that asking Loughinisland to play Sunday and Tuesday would have given yourselves a physical advantage in the match and if scenarios had of been reversed you would have done the same?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blue Island on October 07, 2016, 03:08:01 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 07, 2016, 12:18:04 PM
You must give An Riocht serious credit for the way they have played the system here, obviously calling a number of games off to suit themselves and refixtures at times when most clubs have nothing to play for, its very smart work, Loughinisland should have seen what was coming and demanded the game be played earlier which would have put pressure on An Riocht. The situation should not have occurred in the first place, far too many games this year across the board have been called off or switched for silly reasons. Heavier fines and points deductions wouldn't be too long sorting the mess out.

Nobody in loughinisland is blaming An Riocht. They have done nothing wrong. The blame lies completely with the county board.

Any ejit with even an ounce of objective rational thinking could see we have been royally shafted here. We had four games postponed during the year and not once was that at our behest.  During the lull in the summer we contacted both the other teams and county board to try and get them played, but try as we might they could not be arranged, through no fault of ours. 

An Riocht asked for the original fixture to be postponed, which we have no issue with. I notice another poster suggested we should have made them play it. I  must remember not to knock on your door it we are looking a fixture re-fixed if there is a death in Loughinisland. When all is said and done , we were being told to play away from home (which we actually considered, until the fixtures were later rearranged and would have given An Riocht an advantage, as referred to a couple of posts back) against a team we were directly challenging for promotion. Bear in mind they had the privilege of playing us at their pitch and we were being denied the same right when we requested it. 

The County Board were simply more interested in trying to meet their dead lines and to hell with any sense of natural justice. It was a case of run along boys and take your oil. Our committee had to make the decision whether to play the match, or not take the field and lodge a protest. You can bet every pound you have in the bank that had we played it, the county board would have then simply said, 'move along nothing to be seen here.' and they would not have given a fiddlers. Now we at least can shine a light on their duplicity.

Their big issue was that all fixtures must be played by the cut off date. If this goes to the Ulster Council how do they explain that they were /are willing to fix one game in Division two after the cut off and two further games in division three. How exactly will they explain that does not set a precedent boggles the mind.

IMO this high lights all that is wrong with out leagues. Get them over and done with and who gives a hoot about any sense of fair play.

With regards to the mathematics. Kingdom have to play Darragh Cross. If they lost and our match the Kingdom was rearranged we had every thing to play for (subject to is beating Annaclone). In the event they beat Darragh Cross we could still have got promoted by playing An Riocht, but would have had to have beaten them by 16 points, which is very unlikely, but not  impossible.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on October 07, 2016, 03:25:47 PM
Quote from: Blue Island on October 07, 2016, 03:08:01 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 07, 2016, 12:18:04 PM
You must give An Riocht serious credit for the way they have played the system here, obviously calling a number of games off to suit themselves and refixtures at times when most clubs have nothing to play for, its very smart work, Loughinisland should have seen what was coming and demanded the game be played earlier which would have put pressure on An Riocht. The situation should not have occurred in the first place, far too many games this year across the board have been called off or switched for silly reasons. Heavier fines and points deductions wouldn't be too long sorting the mess out.

Nobody in loughinisland is blaming An Riocht. They have done nothing wrong. The blame lies completely with the county board.

Any ejit with even an ounce of objective rational thinking could see we have been royally shafted here. We had four games postponed during the year and not once was that at our behest.  During the lull in the summer we contacted both the other teams and county board to try and get them played, but try as we might they could not be arranged, through no fault of ours. 

An Riocht asked for the original fixture to be postponed, which we have no issue with. I notice another poster suggested we should have made them play it. I  must remember not to knock on your door it we are looking a fixture re-fixed if there is a death in Loughinisland. When all is said and done , we were being told to play away from home (which we actually considered, until the fixtures were later rearranged and would have given An Riocht an advantage, as referred to a couple of posts back) against a team we were directly challenging for promotion. Bear in mind they had the privilege of playing us at their pitch and we were being denied the same right when we requested it. 

The County Board were simply more interested in trying to meet their dead lines and to hell with any sense of natural justice. It was a case of run along boys and take your oil. Our committee had to make the decision whether to play the match, or not take the field and lodge a protest. You can bet every pound you have in the bank that had we played it, the county board would have then simply said, 'move along nothing to be seen here.' and they would not have given a fiddlers. Now we at least can shine a light on their duplicity.

Their big issue was that all fixtures must be played by the cut off date. If this goes to the Ulster Council how do they explain that they were /are willing to fix one game in Division two after the cut off and two further games in division three. How exactly will they explain that does not set a precedent boggles the mind.

IMO this high lights all that is wrong with out leagues. Get them over and done with and who gives a hoot about any sense of fair play.

With regards to the mathematics. Kingdom have to play Darragh Cross. If they lost and our match the Kingdom was rearranged we had every thing to play for (subject to is beating Annaclone). In the event they beat Darragh Cross we could still have got promoted by playing An Riocht, but would have had to have beaten them by 16 points, which is very unlikely, but not  impossible.

Two of which where called of by the Co Board at short notice to facilitate County training and one of them they then tried to schedule during the July Holidays ::) Problem for Loughinisland in rescheduling these fixtures was that all the teams that they had outstanding fixtures with made it to the later stages of the SFC/IFC
Title: Re: An Roicht v Loughinisland
Post by: Gala head on October 07, 2016, 06:00:09 PM
Oilean Blues, Blue Island & Cut The Crap.

Loughinisland have really dropped the ball on this one. Did they really want promotion ? or are they content to bask in Intermediate glory/level. Conceding matches has been an ugly trend within this rudderless club for some time, with numerous senior reserve games conceded this year.

Tuesday night was the perfect chance for the blues to beat the Kingdom - with loughinsland poor record at home this year the wide spaces at Owen Roe park would have suited their new style of play. Conceding 17 points at home to Darragh Cross, Losing to Carryduff at home and the humilation by the RGU at home are just three recent examples of the implosion taken place at the historic club.

With Martin Clarke  and 5 other regulars ruled out for last Tuesdays fixture The Island should took the game and  especially with their opponents just having failed in capturing the IFC title. I believe the score difference they needed to achieve was 16 points - this was a realistic goal.

With a porous defence and a lack of steel in attitude the blues have no one to blame but themselves. The RGU game was a must win - They haven't beaten the RGU in 10 years!!!

If they couldn't go to Kilcoo and beat the kingdom on a sunny October evening whats their chances of turning up in Burren on a Friday night next year for a league fixture.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 07, 2016, 06:10:14 PM
I'm all for Loughinisland on this one but reading the above post you would have to wonder did they really want promoted?It had been a disastrous season for them and would probably go straight back down again next year if they went up.Any of the posters shade some light into why it been such a poor season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 07, 2016, 06:52:22 PM
I can assure we aren't content to bask in intermediate glory and stay in division 2.

Of the starting 15 from last years all Ireland semi final, 2 had season ending injuries, 2 went to America for the summer, 1 is in England for work and Dan was missing for 6weeks due to surgery and probably came back too early and evidently isn't fully fit since.weve also had a few regular starters who have had injuries ruling them out for 4+ weeks (broken jaw being one).

I'd say that's the main reason we've had a disasterous season. We simply don't have the strength in depth to cope with such injuries.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gala head on October 07, 2016, 07:16:20 PM
I'm sure like other clubs you would have utilised around 40 players during the season. Yet you continue to concede matches at senior reserve and senior level. How you manage your resources is an internal issue you must address.

No one fears travelling to Loughinisland anymore. Not even Carryduff!
When was the last time you had a defender shoulder an opponent to the floor or dive and block a ball! Joseph Doran probably the last player to do so ! And that's going back a bit!

The writing was on the wall when you were conceding reserve games during the year - denying senior squad members games - shame on you.

Therefore some of these 19, 20 21 year olds play 5 or 6 games per season !! Foundations built of sand !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 07, 2016, 07:25:49 PM
Gala are you from Loughinisland ?
Tell us more?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 07, 2016, 07:32:41 PM
Wee bit harsh there. Loughinisland did win an Ulster and represent the county in all Ireland series last year. Ok it's not senior but still a great achievement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on October 07, 2016, 09:33:52 PM
I have to say that i am disappointed by the smug attitude of some posters on this forum, it shows a fundamental lack of fair play within this county and shows a bias towards south down clubs, Galahead you are right in one respect we have a problem regarding numbers and that has caused us problems,your pick is from the greater warrenpoint/newry area and has been for some time,however occasionally we get a team who can compete and has competed with your club and fecking beat yous ,now when our rudderless club next beats you i hope you are there, in the meantime concentrate on your own demise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 07, 2016, 10:22:01 PM
Quote from: Gala head on October 07, 2016, 07:16:20 PM
I'm sure like other clubs you would have utilised around 40 players during the season. Yet you continue to concede matches at senior reserve and senior level. How you manage your resources is an internal issue you must address.

No one fears travelling to Loughinisland anymore. Not even Carryduff!
When was the last time you had a defender shoulder an opponent to the floor or dive and block a ball! Joseph Doran probably the last player to do so ! And that's going back a bit!

The writing was on the wall when you were conceding reserve games during the year - denying senior squad members games - shame on you.

Therefore some of these 19, 20 21 year olds play 5 or 6 games per season !! Foundations built of sand !!

Come on down our way then and give us a hand. Steer us in the right direction.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gala head on October 07, 2016, 10:59:47 PM
#cutthecrap. Numbers are not your problem. The willingness of your a vast number of your players to play games twice a week is questionable. Did you not have a thirds team some time ago?

You concede goals nearly every game for the last 5/6 years. Despite the fact that you have very talented midfield and forwards. Where has the grittiness and steel gone from a club once renowned for making it difficult for the opposition - where defending in packs was as natural as kicking a ball - long before Tyrones puke football was even a thought!
As for our club we are just coming up against a Kilcoo era of dominance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on October 08, 2016, 07:25:54 AM
went to the football replay last night between Drumgath and Tyconnaught,  much like the senior final the match was all but over at half time.Drumgath  replaced last weeks lethargy with a lot more intensity and concentration.Tyconnaught simply could not get a foothold in the game and three first half goals sealed their fate.A word here for the Tyconnaught player stretchered off in the first half- the injury meant that  10 minutes injury- time was added in the first half, so a speedy recovery to that player - congratulations to Drumgath and well done to manager Ronan Sexton.Last nights Junior Final replay was preceded by the u16 county final between Ballyholland and Warrenpoint.Words can barely describe this fantastic spectacle of all that is so good about Gaelic football.Congratulations to both teams, managers and both sets of supporters on what easily could be described as "The Game of The Year". Skill, passion, hunger,desire,pace, accuracy,cuteness,this match had everything.Congratulations to Warrenpoint,but dont dare take anything from Ballyholland after this epic encounter.I heard someone  in recent years in Down coin the phrase -"The Down Way"-- i think we might replace that with "The Ballyholland/Warrenpoint u16 Way"-brilliant exhibition-thank you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 08, 2016, 06:44:01 PM
going by some of the results in todays final round of league fixtures i think its safe to say a lot of clubs have stopped caring weeks ago.

castlewellan 6-18 longstone 0-7
burren 3-16 kilcoo 0-2
mayobridge 5-15 clonduff 1-13
loughinisland 7-10 annaclone 1-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gala head on October 09, 2016, 03:11:13 PM
Another goal conceded at home by the island!  :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 10, 2016, 08:42:16 AM
Quote from: Gala head on October 09, 2016, 03:11:13 PM
Another goal conceded at home by the island!  :-[

Rather that than another Championship game conceded to Kilcoo by Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 10, 2016, 11:52:09 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 10, 2016, 08:42:16 AM
Quote from: Gala head on October 09, 2016, 03:11:13 PM
Another goal conceded at home by the island!  :-[

Rather that than another Championship game conceded to Kilcoo by Burren


Nobody else has beaten Kilcoo over the past half decade in the county either, so the same statement can be leveled at your own club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 10, 2016, 12:18:51 PM
Nobody else has the talent at their disposal that Burren clearly have.Or have spent the £££££££ they have either.For whatever reason or another they just collapse when they play Kilcoo.
Ward,Monaghan,Copeland and Venney all on they payroll this year.Expensive set up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 10, 2016, 12:39:39 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on October 10, 2016, 11:52:09 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 10, 2016, 08:42:16 AM
Quote from: Gala head on October 09, 2016, 03:11:13 PM
Another goal conceded at home by the island!  :-[

Rather that than another Championship game conceded to Kilcoo by Burren


Nobody else has beaten Kilcoo over the past half decade in the county either, so the same statement can be leveled at your own club.

My club don't play Senior football, I was merely sticking up for the Island seeing as Gala Head seems to have an agenda against them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 10, 2016, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 10, 2016, 12:18:51 PM
Nobody else has the talent at their disposal that Burren clearly have.Or have spent the £££££££ they have either.For whatever reason or another they just collapse when they play Kilcoo.
Ward,Monaghan,Copeland and Venney all on they payroll this year.Expensive set up

Burren dont collapse....they are not good enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 10, 2016, 01:57:46 PM
Quote from: thebar on October 10, 2016, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 10, 2016, 12:18:51 PM
Nobody else has the talent at their disposal that Burren clearly have.Or have spent the £££££££ they have either.For whatever reason or another they just collapse when they play Kilcoo.
Ward,Monaghan,Copeland and Venney all on they payroll this year.Expensive set up

Burren dont collapse....they are not good enough

Exactly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 10, 2016, 02:11:33 PM
Burren are good enough.

There was no collapse the first game they played Kilcoo, nor in the first game they played them last year either.

Their issuefor a lot of their players is probably more to do with the big gap between their legs where a set of balls should reside.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 10, 2016, 02:13:46 PM
 ;D harsh but probably true. Is that not part of the total package that ultimately makes them not good enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 10, 2016, 02:23:34 PM
Nope. Not being good enough implies they haven't the talent which I cant fathom.
What they don't seem to have (in comparison to Kilcoo) is that doggedness, fearlessness and character that it takes to get over the line no matter what...the stomach for the fight if you will.

Yes, Kilcoo do have a couple of outstanding individuals in the team who make a huge difference when available but their talent pool isn't and hasn't been what Burrens has this last 6years.

Its disappointing that whenever a few key men on the Burren team are 'squeezed' they disintegrate.
It so happens that Kilcoo know exactly where and when to 'squeeze'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 10, 2016, 02:45:04 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 10, 2016, 02:23:34 PM
Nope. Not being good enough implies they haven't the talent which I cant fathom.
What they don't seem to have (in comparison to Kilcoo) is that doggedness, fearlessness and character that it takes to get over the line no matter what...the stomach for the fight if you will.

Yes, Kilcoo do have a couple of outstanding individuals in the team who make a huge difference when available but their talent pool isn't and hasn't been what Burrens has this last 6years.

Its disappointing that whenever a few key men on the Burren team are 'squeezed' they disintegrate.
It so happens that Kilcoo know exactly where and when to 'squeeze'.
In saying all of the above about Kilcoo they still have yet to conquer Ulster so all their good characteristics will have to be shown to get through 4 games to come out as Ulster Champions.Mayobridge could never do despite their dominance of Down football for years although Burren did do it in the 80's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 10, 2016, 02:50:51 PM
That's a different discussion entirely.
We were debating whether Burren were good enough to go a step further and not whether Kilcoo could progress in Ulster.

Burren folk would be better served forgetting about previous achievements from teams of yesteryear. The teams of the 80s have no baring oin what the present bunch are tryin to achieve. Rather its a weight around their neck. Its like Down people yapping on about winning 5 all Ireland titles whilst being completely shite year on year presently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 10, 2016, 02:55:28 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 10, 2016, 02:50:51 PM
That's a different discussion entirely.
We were debating whether Burren were good enough to go a step further and not whether Kilcoo could progress in Ulster.

Burren folk would be better served forgetting about previous achievements from teams of yesteryear. The teams of the 80s have no baring oin what the present bunch are tryin to achieve. Rather its a weight around their neck. Its like Down people yapping on about winning 5 all Ireland titles whilst being completely shite year on year presently.
.....and I'm agreeing with what has been said about Burren  but moving it further along to the next stage of how Kilcoo will do in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 10, 2016, 03:15:42 PM
Speaking of Burren I see Brian McAvoy got Danny Murphy's job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 10, 2016, 03:33:52 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 10, 2016, 03:15:42 PM
Speaking of Burren I see Brian McAvoy got Danny Murphy's job.

I found Brian a very decent lad during his stint as chairman of the now defunct Down Hurling board.

Hopefully he does well in his new role.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 10, 2016, 03:52:39 PM
Kilcoo's chances won't be helped by recent injuries.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on October 10, 2016, 07:50:59 PM
Galahead are you  reading what they are writing about your club Burren, seems some posters on here might have your measure, regards Kilcoo they have won 5 in a row ,have Burren achieved this in the past,will Kilcoo win Ulster this year, any knowledgeable magpie supporter will tell you they are looking no further than sunday,
as for Burren they are looking to next year, again.
Galahead you also must be in your 60s as we havent had a thirds team since the 80s!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on October 10, 2016, 09:53:35 PM
Brian is one of the good guys and was an honest broker in Down administration over the years.Sadly he stepped/pushed aside and we're left with our current crop of crap
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 10, 2016, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on October 10, 2016, 10:26:42 PM
Quote from: thebar on October 10, 2016, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 10, 2016, 12:18:51 PM
Nobody else has the talent at their disposal that Burren clearly have.Or have spent the £££££££ they have either.For whatever reason or another they just collapse when they play Kilcoo.
Ward,Monaghan,Copeland and Venney all on they payroll this year.Expensive set up

Burren dont collapse....they are not good enough
And Kilcoo won't be good enough in the next few weeks of Ulster.
Time will tell but as Down Champions im sure your fully behind.. they are the best the county so good luck to them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 11, 2016, 12:27:00 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on October 10, 2016, 07:50:59 PM
Galahead are you  reading what they are writing about your club Burren, seems some posters on here might have your measure, regards Kilcoo they have won 5 in a row ,have Burren achieved this in the past

Yeah, they won 6 in a row actually.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on October 11, 2016, 08:25:30 PM
Eny word how kilcoos appeal went last night for the lad who was sent off in the county final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on October 13, 2016, 12:14:19 PM
Can you appeal against blatantly kicking someone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 13, 2016, 12:28:53 PM
Quote from: CHB1 on October 13, 2016, 12:14:19 PM
Can you appeal against blatantly kicking someone?

If the paperwork isn't spot on, then yes you can.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: super reds 99 on October 13, 2016, 02:43:29 PM
Seems to be you can appeal enything now a days!  Whot paper work wasn't rite?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on October 13, 2016, 10:41:05 PM
A home championship draw at last. Armagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 13, 2016, 10:43:01 PM
Can't see us getting to an Ulster final, but we couldn't have got a better first round draw than that.

It might even encourage a few of our more passive players to give county another shot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 13, 2016, 11:05:59 PM
For anyone living or working in newry or south down this is the match that matters. if we only win 1 match all year this is the one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on October 14, 2016, 07:14:01 AM
you would wonder how Kilcoo got their player of for an inexcusable action in one day to the Ulster council yet the Island are still awaiting to get a date for their appeal to the Ulster council after one week, any views on double standards and if it's true that the Kilcoo player got of because the Down ccc was made up incorrectly and was spotted by Kilcoo, that too raises issues
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 14, 2016, 08:36:30 AM
My head hurt trying to read that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on October 14, 2016, 12:04:57 PM
Irrespective of whether the lad got off or not I think that the GAA is now in a ridiculous situation with regards to people getting sent off. Anyone who was at the county final knows he deserved to be sent off and should be punished accordingly but the appeals process in our sport is a joke. In rugby and soccer if your sent off then that's it unless it was the case that you shouldn't have been sent off and it can be appealed. In GAA we look for loopholes in every part of the appeals process, with solicitors and top legal brains on the case like its a court of law. It's completely ridiculous. Look at Connolly with Dublin. Young people are sitting watching a match and seeing men get sent off and then seeing them play the next game. How are you supposed to teach discipline. I was at a match last week where one lad theatrically dived in order to get a member of opposition sent off. His manager was disgusted and took him off immediately and told him if he ever done that again he would never play for him again. I thought that was a great reaction from the manager but how many would do that. We all love our great GAA games but surely to god this legal rigmarole needs to be hit on the head.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on October 14, 2016, 12:50:55 PM
Quote from: downup on October 14, 2016, 12:04:57 PM
Irrespective of whether the lad got off or not I think that the GAA is now in a ridiculous situation with regards to people getting sent off. Anyone who was at the county final knows he deserved to be sent off and should be punished accordingly but the appeals process in our sport is a joke. In rugby and soccer if your sent off then that's it unless it was the case that you shouldn't have been sent off and it can be appealed. In GAA we look for loopholes in every part of the appeals process, with solicitors and top legal brains on the case like its a court of law. It's completely ridiculous. Look at Connolly with Dublin. Young people are sitting watching a match and seeing men get sent off and then seeing them play the next game. How are you supposed to teach discipline. I was at a match last week where one lad theatrically dived in order to get a member of opposition sent off. His manager was disgusted and took him off immediately and told him if he ever done that again he would never play for him again. I thought that was a great reaction from the manager but how many would do that. We all love our great GAA games but surely to god this legal rigmarole needs to be hit on the head.

+1.  How can we teach youngsters wanting to play our games to do the thing right when a player kicks another, gets sent off and gets away with it.  This is ridiculous.  Headquarters need to see sense.  Nothing personal against Kilcoo but how they in their right mind would even appeal this decision is beyond me. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 14, 2016, 02:26:00 PM
The Armagh game should attract a massive crowd to Newry as, in addition to being a local derby, it is the first time we will have been able to stage our opening USC fixture there since 1999. It is also a match which both sides, based on their almost equally disappointing form of the last couple of seasons, will reckon they are capable of winning. However, our championship record against Armagh over the last couple of decades is dire. We have lost the last five in a row going back to 1998, four in the USC and one qualifier, and they have usually been physically too strong for us.  Our management will at least have the opportunity to put together a proper pre-season schedule in preparation for a league campaign in a division which is closer to our true level than last year. If the prospect of meeting Armagh in the championship does not motivate all concerned, nothing will.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 15, 2016, 01:18:05 PM
Statement from Co Board.

Down County Board appointments:
County board are very pleased to announce the appointment of our U21 Football management team: Conor Deegan, Micheal Walsh, Paddy Hardy, Bernie Ruane.
Down Senior Hurling Management: Martin Mallon, Paul Coulter, Gary Savage, Jerome McCrickard.
We also are pleased to welcome Cathal Murray onto our Senior Football Management team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 15, 2016, 02:28:43 PM
Such an underwhelming statement
Thought we were to get a full new backroom team with a big number 2 in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on October 15, 2016, 02:29:28 PM
A few senior clubs looking for new managers following the announcement of that U21 management team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 15, 2016, 07:37:37 PM
That's a pretty good management team for the senior hurling, what do you reckon Johnneycool?

Is Big Conor continuing with the RGU also?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 15, 2016, 07:44:56 PM
Anyone any idea what is Murray like??
Has a good record with St Colmans College?
I'm maybe being a bit hard on him but I was expecting a bigger name.No disrespect

Deegans is staying with Downpatrick he notified the players after last Saturday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 15, 2016, 08:09:45 PM
Quote from: Samforever on October 15, 2016, 02:29:28 PM
A few senior clubs looking for new managers following the announcement of that U21 management team
CPN/Warrenpoint would be great opportunity/team for someone to take on. Nobody expecting too much apart from at least staying in division 1. Bernie Ruane has done a great job. Most of these boys aged 20 - 25. Like I said good opportunity for someone. Poucher ? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 15, 2016, 08:17:42 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on October 15, 2016, 08:09:45 PM
Quote from: Samforever on October 15, 2016, 02:29:28 PM
A few senior clubs looking for new managers following the announcement of that U21 management team
CPN/Warrenpoint would be great opportunity/team for someone to take on. Nobody expecting too much apart from at least staying in division 1. Bernie Ruane has done a great job. Most of these boys aged 20 - 25. Like I said good opportunity for someone. Poucher ?

F**k off!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 16, 2016, 08:27:13 AM
Good luck to Kilcoo today. Hopefully 2 wins for the Down teams in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 16, 2016, 04:28:35 PM
brillant win for kilcoo, 1-8 to 0-9 against scotstown. listened to match on radio and the guys on commentary were very impressed with kilcoo's team play and workrate against a very good scotstown team. hopefully they can go on to win it now. good win for bredagh as well making it a good day for down clubs in ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 16, 2016, 05:04:55 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 15, 2016, 08:17:42 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on October 15, 2016, 08:09:45 PM
Quote from: Samforever on October 15, 2016, 02:29:28 PM
A few senior clubs looking for new managers following the announcement of that U21 management team
CPN/Warrenpoint would be great opportunity/team for someone to take on. Nobody expecting too much apart from at least staying in division 1. Bernie Ruane has done a great job. Most of these boys aged 20 - 25. Like I said good opportunity for someone. Poucher ?

F**k off!!

well its either him or Dawson will take the point. you may resign yourself to losing the guru to bigger and better things. Sure he could do no more in Ballyholland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 16, 2016, 06:00:12 PM
Bredagh won't be getting carried away with a big win in Donegal; for the second week in a row Burt had to play 80 minutes of football yesterday to overcome Milford after extra time. Bad show by the Donegal County Board. Next up are Monaghan champions on the 30th- hopefully Rockcorry as Down teams owe them one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 16, 2016, 07:39:12 PM
Its Donaghmoyne for Bredagh.
Great win for Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 16, 2016, 07:39:59 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 15, 2016, 07:44:56 PM
Anyone any idea what is Murray like??
Has a good record with St Colmans College?
I'm maybe being a bit hard on him but I was expecting a bigger name.No disrespect

Deegans is staying with Downpatrick he notified the players after last Saturday
So much for the stipulation about whoever gets the Down job couldn't be involved with a Club team at U16 or above.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 16, 2016, 07:52:20 PM
Do you really think Conor is going to walk away from the Downpatrick job after getting them promoted this year.And he gets well looked after too.He is most definitely staying as he notified the players last Saturday.Sure he can hardly get sacked for taking his own club.

Any news is Murray in as trainer with Down?He has won a few Hogan cups with St Colmans.Hopefully he brings something to the senior set up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 16, 2016, 11:06:37 PM
CPN is a great opportunity for someone to take on. They have a lot of talented players there at the moment and probably haven't achieved as much as some would have expected.Dont think they as a club would be happy to just stay in the 1st division as apart from Kilcoo there is not much between the rest. Maybe the right time for a change of management and Poacher could be the man to take them to the next level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 16, 2016, 11:27:52 PM
CD may well have notified his 2016 RGU players but the e-mail sent out to Clubs
stated no one involved in management at U16 and above was eligible
to apply for the U21 County Manager's position.Are we as a County now changing the rules to get our man who I think is a good appointment.The process is flawed if Conor continues as Downpatrick manager as this has ruled out other potential candidates who may have applied had the stipulation not been in place.Another c**k-up in a long line of them over the years concerning the appointment of County managerial positions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on October 17, 2016, 09:36:24 AM
That is a massive win for Kilcoo yesterday, they must really fancy their chances now. The U21 management team is as strong as we could have hoped for IMO and it will be interesting to see how they progress with a team which didn't do much at minor level from memory. Cathal Murray is a good appointment to the senior squad and has plenty of coaching experience. His appointment leaves an obvious vacancy at Saul where he has been for the past few years and by the looks of things a lot of sidelines are going to have new faces this year in Div 1 and 2. Burren, Mayobridge, Warrenpoint, Saval, Rostrevor, Glen, Castlewellan, St Johns, Banbridge, Tullylish, Leitrim, all on the lookout for new managers so should be interesting to here what appointments are made over the coming months.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 17, 2016, 09:54:35 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 15, 2016, 07:37:37 PM
That's a pretty good management team for the senior hurling, what do you reckon Johnneycool?

I'm never convinced by these types of amalgamations when it comes to senior management teams as you're never sure of the dynamic, but we'll have to wait and see I suppose.

TBH the hurlers aren't there anyway, but getting out of 2B should be a must, but not easy as I'd have Meath well ahead of them in terms of ability.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 17, 2016, 12:17:39 PM
The County Committee ratified an eight-member Steering Group for the Mourne County GAA Academy under the chairmanship of former All-Ireland winning captain Paddy O'Rourke. Other members of the Group include 1994 All-Ireland winning captain DJ Kane (Newry Shamrocks), Declan Mussen (Kilcoo), Dr Eddie Harney (Saul), Joe Tunney (Carryduff), James McCartan (Minor Manager), Conor O'Toole (County Development Manager), Tom Potter (Coaching Officer) and Professor Niall Moyna (DCU) who will act as a consultant/advisor to the group.

This was announced around this time last year if im not mistaken.
Can anyone tell me what the remit and function/responsibility of this group is? What structures have they implemented since the inception of the group or is there a development plan in place?
Are they solely to look after the Academy players and their development or have they any wider responsibilities within the county re Adult footballers etc?
Also does anyone know if they are involved in the decision-making process for managerial appointments at each level in the county?

If the previous comment about a ruling for personnel involved in management of both a county squad and a club squad is true then it makes the county board look pretty silly to be fair. Another genius move I guess.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 17, 2016, 12:19:07 PM
Bar Deegan, rest of that u21 set up doesn't really excite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 17, 2016, 02:57:49 PM

A  Chara 
The sub committee appointed to conduct the process of selecting an Under 21 Football team management are asking for expressions of interests from management teams who would be interested in undertaking the role of Down Under 21 Football team management.

Interested parties should submit details of their proposed management team structure by email to myself before 5.00pm on Friday 7th October. It is expected that interviews will take place in the week commencing Monday 10th October.

In agreement with County Board policy successful candidates would not be permitted to have managerial involvement with Club teams above Under 16 level.

Is Mise
Seán Óg Mac an tSaoir
     
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cut the crap on October 17, 2016, 09:27:51 PM
How do the county board propose to enforce not permitted to be part of any team above u16 level, id be interested to know, as there may have been other candidates for the u21 post had it been known that in fact that condition doesnt really apply, its a shame because i thought we had turned a corner with this appointment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 17, 2016, 10:22:35 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on October 17, 2016, 09:27:51 PM
How do the county board propose to enforce not permitted to be part of any team above u16 level, id be interested to know, as there may have been other candidates for the u21 post had it been known that in fact that condition doesnt really apply, its a shame because i thought we had turned a corner with this appointment.
Has Michael Walsh stepped down from your Seniors?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on October 18, 2016, 08:12:23 AM
If you know Micky Walsh, you already know the answer to your question.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 18, 2016, 08:49:08 AM
Quote from: oileain blues on October 18, 2016, 08:12:23 AM
If you know Micky Walsh, you already know the answer to your question.
I don't know MIchael Walsh and don't know the answer hence me asking the question.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 18, 2016, 10:35:35 AM
Quote from: SamFever on October 18, 2016, 08:49:08 AM
Quote from: oileain blues on October 18, 2016, 08:12:23 AM
If you know Micky Walsh, you already know the answer to your question.
I don't know MIchael Walsh and don't know the answer hence me asking the question.

Common knowledge at this stage Walsh got railroaded from the Island, Lisland begging Jerome Johnston to return.

Interesting few weeks ahead, if you look down Division one, two, three there will be at least 12 jobs available, will clubs plum for outside men or inside men, big rumour is Paul Mc Ivor will definitely be going to Clonoe next year!
At Present following clubs searching for new men

Burren
Mayobridge
Castlewellan
Warrenpoint
Glen
Saval
Downpatrick
Loughinisland
Darragh Cross
Tullylish
Saul
Attical

Any others???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 18, 2016, 10:41:34 AM
Thank-you for a civil reply unlike some.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on October 18, 2016, 11:55:20 AM
Big Frank has plenty to choose from then ;-). Additional to that is St Johns and Banbridge and I have been told Leitrim but not sure about that one. Banbridge are apparently going in house this year. They have had 2 very tough years with successive relegations and need to steady the ship in order to stop them plummeting. The big clubs will probably all go for outside men but I reckon a lot of other clubs will try and go inside if they have anyone willing to take it on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 18, 2016, 01:17:38 PM
Have the management in Burren and Castlewellan told or been told that they are leaving?  Find it a bit odd saying as they are playing a league semi final this week and their season is still going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 18, 2016, 02:34:25 PM
From the Mayobridge Facebook page.

Mayobridge GAC are pleased to announce that Francie Poland and Benny Coulter (Player/manager) will take lead with the senior team next season. Former championship winners Noel Sexton and Gavin Barry are selectors while the team will be joined by Ballinderry's Killian Conlan as Trainer/Coach and Carrickcruppen's Stephen Harold as strength and conditioning coach.
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 18, 2016, 02:53:25 PM
6-man management team with Benny at the helm as player/manager???!!
This could only end in tears.
Im assuming they are forking out for a dude to come from Ballinderry to train the team and for Harold to come down from Newry.
Nobody about the Bridge or closer to home fit to train their team?

Manager merrygoround going to be ridiculous this winter.
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Post by: downup on October 18, 2016, 03:14:06 PM
How scientific is training a team becoming - managers in division 1 are Sean Ward, Shorty Trainor, Ross Carr, Your man Mc Iver, Brian Burns to name but a few. Each of these lads played at the top of the game for club and county and each of these lads have other people in training their respective teams. Years ago it was that manager was getting paid that was the argument but now there is a full backroom team getting paid. Burren have 3 outside men with them - crazy stuff. How much better has it made them. How can clubs sustain this or is it just because its a new fad that this is the done thing.
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Post by: cut the crap on October 18, 2016, 08:26:34 PM
redandblackareback, your talking through your hole, as far as i know the Island didnt railroad any one and are not begging any one to return, check your facts and sources before posting that dribble.
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Post by: 5 Sams on October 18, 2016, 10:23:18 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 18, 2016, 02:53:25 PM
6-man management team with Benny at the helm as player/manager???!!
This could only end in tears.
Im assuming they are forking out for a dude to come from Ballinderry to train the team and for Harold to come down from Newry.
Nobody about the Bridge or closer to home fit to train their team?

Manager merrygoround going to be ridiculous this winter.

Our treasurer will shit himself when he sees this
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Post by: SamFever on October 18, 2016, 11:28:57 PM
Quote from: cut the crap on October 18, 2016, 08:26:34 PM
redandblackareback, your talking through your hole, as far as i know the Island didnt railroad any one and are not begging any one to return, check your facts and sources before posting that dribble.
Tell us the facts
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Post by: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2016, 08:15:06 AM
Niall McAleenan and Oliver Sloan confirmed as Warrenpoint Senior management team for 2017.Like to wish the lads all the best

Bernie Ruane and his team confirmed as our under 21 management team last night.
Good luck to Bernie and Co

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Post by: thewobbler on October 19, 2016, 08:56:40 AM
Quote from: downup on October 18, 2016, 03:14:06 PM
How scientific is training a team becoming - managers in division 1 are Sean Ward, Shorty Trainor, Ross Carr, Your man Mc Iver, Brian Burns to name but a few. Each of these lads played at the top of the game for club and county and each of these lads have other people in training their respective teams. Years ago it was that manager was getting paid that was the argument but now there is a full backroom team getting paid. Burren have 3 outside men with them - crazy stuff. How much better has it made them. How can clubs sustain this or is it just because its a new fad that this is the done thing.

100% right.

Burren needed a half a page to name their management team in SFC programmes this season!

Not sure if having so many people around can help. Every manager needs a trusted lieutenant to both take pressure off and to challenge his thinking. But too many lieutenants means too many opinions, too many mad ideas to try out.
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 19, 2016, 09:26:47 AM
Whats your views on Bridge management team Wobbler?

Clubs should be spending the money on their underage coaching infrastructure rather than throwing money at a quick fix at senior level.
People lost the run of themselves. Think its the premiership they are in.
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Post by: DownFanatic on October 19, 2016, 10:55:04 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2016, 08:15:06 AM
Niall McAleenan and Oliver Sloan confirmed as Warrenpoint Senior management team for 2017.Like to wish the lads all the best

Bernie Ruane and his team confirmed as our under 21 management team last night.
Good luck to Bernie and Co

Bernie Ruane done a great job with Warrenpoint underage sides and their seniors this year. Big achievement for them staying in division one despite their absences.

In relation to the size of management and backroom teams. Kilcoo have about 15 within their setup. However, it seems from the outside it is ran with military precision and that is why it works.

The problem with big numbers in other setups is that members probably aren't given defined roles and the waters get muddied in terms of who is responsible for what.

The terminology that the 'Bridge have used: 'Francie Poland and Benny Coulter (player/manager) will lead the management team' already suggests to me that they don't actually have a sole figurehead in place and thus this can cause issues.
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Post by: Down Follower on October 19, 2016, 11:08:41 AM
The Bridge set up starts well, respected internal men, all former players, but it goes a bit wayward with the introduction of the two outside men. What are they doing bringing a man down from Ballinderry to train them?  If he is that good let him take control and manage the team.  Surely there is someone close to home for them who could do that job.
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Post by: rosskarr on October 19, 2016, 02:41:32 PM
 Is there anyone on here these past few days happy about anything?Lighten up with the criticising.Deegan should maybe have got the Senior job last year so this will be a good stepping stone.
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 19, 2016, 02:58:16 PM
Not that I disagree with you but can you explain your rationale for Conor Deegan being selected the senior football manager? In your view, why should he have been given it?
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Post by: wobbller on October 19, 2016, 03:20:22 PM
  previous success and the ability to communicate.
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 19, 2016, 03:34:19 PM
Ahhhhhh right.
You make some excellent points there.
After reading all that I can actually see where youre coming from now.
Hard to know how he was overlooked when you consider all that.
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Post by: rosskarr on October 19, 2016, 05:37:25 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 19, 2016, 03:20:22 PM
  previous success and the ability to communicate.
Don't disagree with that but I would also add that he has a presence about him and I think will command/demand respect from all involved. His backroom team(bar Ruane) leaves a lot to be desired though.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2016, 05:50:03 PM
Mickey Walshe is a great coach by all accounts so don't know why so many are getting the digs in at him?
Deegans has been successful where exactly?
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Post by: snoopdog on October 19, 2016, 09:12:34 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2016, 05:50:03 PM
Mickey Walshe is a great coach by all accounts so don't know why so many are getting the digs in at him?
Deegans has been successful where exactly?
Not sure on his success rate. But he has managed Skerries harps, Ballyboden and kilmacud before auglisghnafinn and Downpatrick.
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Post by: Leonardo on October 19, 2016, 09:59:50 PM
Mickey is a young lad - has played at a high level and his background as a physio will do no harm. Didn't he travel to Australia and work in a professional set up as part of a course?
Paddy Hardy has been around a long time - I've seen him take sessions with underage teams at our club and deserves a bit of respect too.
We are too quick to judge these men before they have even started. Any wonder it's getting harder to get men to take teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on October 20, 2016, 09:23:25 AM
Quote from: Leonardo on October 19, 2016, 09:59:50 PM
Mickey is a young lad - has played at a high level and his background as a physio will do no harm. Didn't he travel to Australia and work in a professional set up as part of a course?
Paddy Hardy has been around a long time - I've seen him take sessions with underage teams at our club and deserves a bit of respect too.
We are too quick to judge these men before they have even started. Any wonder it's getting harder to get men to take teams
just my view.
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Post by: geezer57 on October 20, 2016, 11:30:04 AM
Any word how the trials have been going? Any new likely new comers?
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Post by: Mourne Red on October 21, 2016, 09:06:57 AM
Quote from: Leonardo on October 19, 2016, 09:59:50 PM
Mickey is a young lad - has played at a high level and his background as a physio will do no harm. Didn't he travel to Australia and work in a professional set up as part of a course?
Paddy Hardy has been around a long time - I've seen him take sessions with underage teams at our club and deserves a bit of respect too.
We are too quick to judge these men before they have even started. Any wonder it's getting harder to get men to take teams

Paddy Hardy didn't really set the world on fire when he was over Dundrum
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Post by: oileain blues on October 21, 2016, 08:52:53 PM
Hells bells, why is everybody so judgemental about guys they know little or nothing about, if your going to criticise do it after a little bit of research, for the record Micky Walsh was an outstanding player , has a fistful of county medals, is an outstanding coach and will bring a lot to the table as part of the new u21 management team,which by the way is headed by a two time all Ireland winner who has managed some serious teams in Dublin, so let's give these guys a little time.
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Post by: SamFever on October 21, 2016, 09:46:53 PM
Quote from: oileain blues on October 21, 2016, 08:52:53 PM
Hells bells, why is everybody so judgemental about guys they know little or nothing about, if your going to criticise do it after a little bit of research, for the record Micky Walsh was an outstanding player , has a fistful of county medals, is an outstanding coach and will bring a lot to the table as part of the new u21 management team,which by the way is headed by a two time all Ireland winner who has managed some serious teams in Dublin, so let's give these guys a little time.
"Astounding"in that you describe Walsh as an outstanding player and an outstanding Coach.
    A good player alright but when and where did this outstanding coaching occur?
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Post by: snoopdog on October 21, 2016, 10:41:21 PM
Give the guys a chance. Bitch about them in March if we get dumped out early doors. But it looks a good appointment. Who else is going to do it?
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Post by: oileain blues on October 21, 2016, 10:45:52 PM
Sam you obviously must have been some player in your day and time will show that Micky Walsh is an outstanding coach
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Post by: supersub on October 21, 2016, 10:47:09 PM
A two time or twenty two time All Ireland winner makes no difference to coaching ability.
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Post by: 5 Sams on October 21, 2016, 10:52:51 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 21, 2016, 10:47:09 PM
A two time or twenty two time All Ireland winner makes no difference to coaching ability.

+1 Best manager we ever had never won an AI medal...same with Pat O'Shea and Jack O'Connor.....not to forget a certain Mr M Harte. Im looking forward to what Conor has to offer.
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Post by: Samforever on October 21, 2016, 11:13:40 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 21, 2016, 10:52:51 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 21, 2016, 10:47:09 PM
A two time or twenty two time All Ireland winner makes no difference to coaching ability.

+1 Best manager we ever had never won an AI medal...same with Pat O'Shea and Jack O'Connor.....not to forget a certain Mr M Harte. Im looking forward to what Conor has to offer.
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You are 100% right but it would be wrong to judge Deegan on  the outcome of this years U21s given what this age group have achieved in the past though it would be difficult to imagine any thing more embarrassing than is the 2016
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Post by: Smurfy123 on October 22, 2016, 12:01:49 AM
Another shambles for county board
Deegans = ????????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 22, 2016, 12:05:01 AM
I think its a good move putting Conor in there. Serious experience in the bear pit that is the Dublin championship. I think he'll bring something new to the county setup..remains to be seen. Good luck to him.
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Post by: oileain blues on October 22, 2016, 07:32:53 AM
All I'm saying is give the guys a chance, don't forget it's a long time since we won an u21 championship game and if you were in Newry and watched Armagh destroy our u21s in last years championship you would understand the size of the task that awaits the new management team, so I'm calling for support for these guys,
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Post by: SamFever on October 25, 2016, 11:22:00 PM
 A bit eerie on here at the minute.Think I'll go in the road to watch Kilcoo on Sunday.
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Post by: Real_Gael on October 26, 2016, 09:21:27 AM
Delayed coverage of kilcoo - glenswilly on TG4 at 15:30 this Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 26, 2016, 09:42:57 AM
Good luck to Kilcoo and Drumgath. Here's hoping for a clean sweep for the Down teams this weekend!
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Post by: Lecale Gael on October 26, 2016, 12:31:43 PM
Quote from: outinfront on October 26, 2016, 09:42:57 AM
Good luck to Kilcoo and Drumgath. Here's hoping for a clean sweep for the Down teams this weekend!

An Bredagh !!  :)
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Post by: outinfront on October 26, 2016, 02:03:17 PM
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Post by: 6th sam on October 26, 2016, 02:22:25 PM
Good luck to all 3 Down sides in their Ulster campaigns. These Ulster competitions are a real highlight of the GAA calendar, and must be a brilliant experience for the club's involved. All 3 clubs have a real chance of progressing well.
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Post by: 5 Sams on October 28, 2016, 09:44:45 PM
Good weekend lined up. 25 year anniversary of the 91 team in the Canal Court tomorrow night. Anyone else going?? Then 3 Down victories in Ulster. Good luck to Kilcoo, Bredagh and Drumgath.
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Post by: SHEEDY on October 29, 2016, 06:34:51 PM
Good luck to the 3 Down clubs in Ulster championship action tomorrow.
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Post by: ardtole on October 30, 2016, 06:41:18 PM
Well done to kilcoo. Where is the venue for the Maghery game?
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Post by: Dubh driocht on October 30, 2016, 07:00:17 PM
The intensity of Kilcoo's second half performance was as good as you'll see. Glenswilly were beaten and bamboozled all over the field. Laverty's genius and bravery to win the penalty was the turning point- how often has the wee man done this ? Daragh O'Hanlon may have eclipsed him for MotM at number 3 and got a serious head injury at the end- what did it look like on TV?
The intermediate game was a superb match between two committed and fit teams. Bredagh were screwed by two unbelievable umpiring decisions in normal time- one to give a point to Donaghmoyne which was a yard wide and one to deny Bredagh when it was a yard over. You wonder if those Tyrone umpires- but particularly the linesman on the stand side- have a thing with Jody Gormley ? That's the only explanation I can think of but the Monaghan men were unlucky with hitting the woodwork four times and nobody in Bredagh will begrudge them. Great support from the Kilcoo/Down crowd on a super Autumn day's football.
Incidentally the Bredagh MotM was also their number 3 - Declan O'Hara- who captained Bredagh to beat Kilcoo featuring the Johnstones and O'Hanlon in E Down under 12 level- great to see so many players from both teams representing their clubs 12 years on.
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Post by: 5 Sams on October 30, 2016, 09:05:19 PM
Two very enjoyable games. Felt sorry for Bredagh but I think the fitter team won in extra time. Murphy threatened to win that game on his own at times V Kilcoo but the Magpies got the better of him in the last 20. Kilcoo were very impressive in the 2nd half. A few Glenswilly lads lucky to stay on the field apart from the two that walked. A lot striking with the closed fist going on in the tackle. Any word on O'Hanlon's injury. Well done Kilcoo.
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Post by: imtommygunn on October 30, 2016, 09:22:36 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on October 30, 2016, 07:00:17 PM
The intensity of Kilcoo's second half performance was as good as you'll see. Glenswilly were beaten and bamboozled all over the field. Laverty's genius and bravery to win the penalty was the turning point- how often has the wee man done this ? Daragh O'Hanlon may have eclipsed him for MotM at number 3 and got a serious head injury at the end- what did it look like on TV?
The intermediate game was a superb match between two committed and fit teams. Bredagh were screwed by two unbelievable umpiring decisions in normal time- one to give a point to Donaghmoyne which was a yard wide and one to deny Bredagh when it was a yard over. You wonder if those Tyrone umpires- but particularly the linesman on the stand side- have a thing with Jody Gormley ? That's the only explanation I can think of but the Monaghan men were unlucky with hitting the woodwork four times and nobody in Bredagh will begrudge them. Great support from the Kilcoo/Down crowd on a super Autumn day's football.
Incidentally the Bredagh MotM was also their number 3 - Declan O'Hara- who captained Bredagh to beat Kilcoo featuring the Johnstones and O'Hanlon in E Down under 12 level- great to see so many players from both teams representing their clubs 12 years on.

He looked pretty badly hurt. He was very open when he got clobbered and i think was out for the count . He took a long time to go off- tg4 even panned away from it after a while.

Would probably agree about glenswilly. First red wasn't a red but given the same guy was just after punching laverty in the face hard to have too much sympathy. I think if you watch the penalty the guy's arm was almost static but was still a penalty. Laverty a very good player but very good at getting those too.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on October 30, 2016, 09:31:51 PM
Kilcoo are some outfit but a concern would be the lack of scores from play in their forward line. If Jerome was fit, you would be confident that an Ulster senior club title was coming to Down for the first time in nearly three decades. In his absence, they will have to rely on their ability to win frees and manufacture the odd point out of defence.

The high tackle on O'Hanlon in the last seconds of injury time when the match was well over was a nasty act, and he would be a huge loss if misses the semi. He never moved for several minutes after the foul but RTE at least reported that he had regained consciousness before going to Daisy Hill.

However, their swarming defence, with dark-haired and black-shirted identical Branagans appearing from all directions, is a force of nature, and, with Laverty still the cutest player we have produced in a generation, it will take a good side to beat them.

The intermediate game was a much cleaner and more flowing contest between two very evenly matched teams. Everyone in the main stand could see that Bredagh were stitched up by the same umpires for two crucial calls but a delay in switching markers on the Donaghmoyne dangerman, Finnegan, was also costly. While Donaghmoyne pushed their luck to equalise with a last second free, their goal in extra time would have deserved to win any contest. Bredagh are still an improving club and it would be a surprise if they do not have a couple of representatives in the next Down squad.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on October 31, 2016, 11:14:26 AM
I hear there was a big turn out at the county trials
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 31, 2016, 11:18:38 AM
Quote from: Pocs pints and the gaa on October 31, 2016, 11:14:26 AM
I hear there was a big turn out at the county trials

Sarcasm??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on October 31, 2016, 12:38:33 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 31, 2016, 11:18:38 AM
Quote from: Pocs pints and the gaa on October 31, 2016, 11:14:26 AM
I hear there was a big turn out at the county trials

Sarcasm??

Couple of keepers playing outfield due to lack of numbers
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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 01, 2016, 11:42:08 AM
Good to see running coach Rory Friel join Eamon Burns backroom team this year
Hopefully he will be a good addition
Add Murray to the mix and we are moving in the right direction
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 01, 2016, 11:45:45 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 01, 2016, 11:42:08 AM
Good to see running coach Rory Friel join Eamon Burns backroom team this year
Hopefully he will be a good addition
Add Murray to the mix and we are moving in the right direction

Running around looking for players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 01, 2016, 12:04:12 PM
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Tell us more pints?What is the numbers like?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 01, 2016, 12:54:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 01, 2016, 12:04:12 PM
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Tell us more pints?What is the numbers like?

13 the first day is the word on the street
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 01, 2016, 01:24:48 PM
Quote from: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 01, 2016, 12:54:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 01, 2016, 12:04:12 PM
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Tell us more pints?What is the numbers like?

13 the first day is the word on the street


And what would an Antrim man know about Down trials?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 01, 2016, 01:36:27 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 01, 2016, 01:24:48 PM
Quote from: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 01, 2016, 12:54:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 01, 2016, 12:04:12 PM
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Tell us more pints?What is the numbers like?

13 the first day is the word on the street


And what would an Antrim man know about Down trials?

Are you saying there was more than 13 in Castlewellan the other week? As you say what would I know. Feel free to enlighten
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 01, 2016, 02:21:00 PM
It's very early days yet I would not worry to much about it.

Start worrying in January if only 13 show up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 01, 2016, 02:26:53 PM
Quote from: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 01, 2016, 01:36:27 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 01, 2016, 01:24:48 PM
Quote from: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 01, 2016, 12:54:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 01, 2016, 12:04:12 PM
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Tell us more pints?What is the numbers like?

13 the first day is the word on the street


And what would an Antrim man know about Down trials?

Are you saying there was more than 13 in Castlewellan the other week? As you say what would I know. Feel free to enlighten

I'm not disputing anything, just wondering where this new found interest in Down GAA has come from seeing as the rest of your posts are about Antrim clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 01, 2016, 07:20:37 PM
    IGNORE this clown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 01, 2016, 07:22:53 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 01, 2016, 07:20:37 PM
    IGNORE this clown

Didn't think there was anything wrong with Ogras posts to be honest he was just asking a question
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 01, 2016, 07:26:01 PM
Quote from: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 01, 2016, 07:22:53 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 01, 2016, 07:20:37 PM
    IGNORE this clown

Didn't think there was anything wrong with Ogras posts to be honest he was just asking a question
ANTRIM AR-EHOLE
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 01, 2016, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 01, 2016, 02:21:00 PM
It's very early days yet I would not worry to much about it.

Start worrying in January if only 13 show up

Most counties will have had 2 solid months training done by then.

Would it be us or you's bottom of the heap in Ulster?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 02, 2016, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 01, 2016, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 01, 2016, 02:21:00 PM
It's very early days yet I would not worry to much about it.

Start worrying in January if only 13 show up

Most counties will have had 2 solid months training done by then.

Would it be us or you's bottom of the heap in Ulster?

Still youse, we have a county stadium after all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 02, 2016, 03:36:16 PM
2017 League and Championship Line-ups

Division 1

Kilcoo - SFC
Burren - SFC
Castlewellan - SFC
Mayobridge - SFC
Bryansford - SFC
Ballyholland - SFC
Clonduff - SFC
Glenn - SFC
Warrenpoint - SFC
Longstone - SFC
An Riocht - SFC
Downpatrick - SFC

Division 2

Saval - SFC
Ballymartin - SFC
Loughinisland - SFC
Rostrevor - IFC
Annaclone - IFC
Darragh Cross - IFC
Bredagh - SFC
St John's - IFC
Carryduff - IFC
Liatroim - IFC
Shamrocks - IFC
Drumaness - IFC

Division 3

Clann na Banna - IFC
Tullylish - IFC
Bosco - IFC
Drumgath - IFC
Atticall - IFC
Saul - IFC
Glasdrumman - IFC
Teconnaught - IFC
Dundrum - JFC
St Paul's - JFC

Division 4

Dromara - JFC
Kilclief - JFC
Ardglass - JFC
Bright - JFC
Mitchels - JFC
St Michael's - JFC
Aughlisnafin - JFC
Aghaderg - JFC
Ballykinlar - JFC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 02, 2016, 04:58:48 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 02, 2016, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 01, 2016, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 01, 2016, 02:21:00 PM
It's very early days yet I would not worry to much about it.

Start worrying in January if only 13 show up

Most counties will have had 2 solid months training done by then.

Would it be us or you's bottom of the heap in Ulster?

Still youse, we have a county stadium after all

And it not even in your county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 02, 2016, 05:16:02 PM
Kilcoo not showing up for Division 1 final tomorrow night
They have been given only 2 days notice of the game being fixed
Whose mess is this?
Why has a team playing in our second biggest competition not been given more time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 02, 2016, 09:49:08 PM
It's 10 days before the Ulster championship game. Why can't Kilcoo play this game tomorrow night? They have a panel of 40. Their seconds would probably beat an aged Town who are on their last Hurrah.

Siege mentality bullshit from one of the big clubs AGAIN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on November 02, 2016, 09:50:15 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 02, 2016, 05:16:02 PM
Kilcoo not showing up for Division 1 final tomorrow night
They have been given only 2 days notice of the game being fixed
Whose mess is this?
Why has a team playing in our second biggest competition not been given more time

Just seen Kilcoo's tweet saying that. 100% right to not turn up. A joke of a decision. Wonder will Co board refix it given Kilcoo stance, or will Castlewellan get a WO? Wouldn't be surprised if its the latter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on November 02, 2016, 09:56:59 PM
Given what they did to Loughinisland they surely have no choice but to award fixture to Castlewellan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 02, 2016, 10:14:58 PM
Kilcoo should play the game. Sure they sent their thirds to play the last league game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 02, 2016, 10:58:23 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 02, 2016, 09:49:08 PM
It's 10 days before the Ulster championship game. Why can't Kilcoo play this game tomorrow night? They have a panel of 40. Their seconds would probably beat an aged Town who are on their last Hurrah.

Siege mentality bullshit from one of the big clubs AGAIN

Kilcoo will need their second string at training to set up tactically against their firsts in preparation for Ulster semi final. It's not a matter of going out and playing a second string. If they play they can't train the day before or after so that's 3 days gone and no tactical work on the pitch done and a waste of a quarter of the time they have to prepare. It's bull shit from the down cccc is what it is
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on November 03, 2016, 12:06:22 AM
Quote from: downjim on November 02, 2016, 09:49:08 PM
It's 10 days before the Ulster championship game. Why can't Kilcoo play this game tomorrow night? They have a panel of 40. Their seconds would probably beat an aged Town who are on their last Hurrah.

Siege mentality bullshit from one of the big clubs AGAIN

Siege mentality bullshit my hole. We are the County champions representing the county in Ulster. You would assume that the County board would be fully backing us to give Ulster a rattle and this definitely isn't the way to go about it. And I'm not just saying this with any bias towards our club. If it were Castlewellan, Clonduff, Mayobridge or Burren and they were the county representatives in Ulster and we were playing them in the league final we would expect them to be focusing on Ulster and we would just have to wait until their campaign ended.

There were league finals played in December a few years back (when we were not representing the county) and yes it is a joke that a league final has to be played this late in the year but not at the expense of possibly damaging your chances of doing well in Ulster.

The real joke here is how the County board are running the leagues and the management of the fixtures (not only on division 1). One way of stopping this from happening in the future would be to award the team that finishes top the league as they have been the most consistent team throughout the league...Oh no, wait..scrap that idea, let's just keep the format the way it is and try and milk supporters for as much as possible. Not as if they don't make enough from people at the club championship games throughout the year. No disrespect to Mayobridge or Burren, but if they were representing Down in Ulster they wouldn't have this thrust upon them. They are making a mockery of their own league set up and then trying to force our club into playing when we have a bigger prize to focus on. If we did go on to lift a provincial title it wouldn't be too long til they were singing our praises.

You know what the Down County Board can do. They can take that league cup and shove it as far up their feckin holes as they can.

That's if there is room up there, along with their heads.

#UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on November 03, 2016, 12:14:28 AM
I don't blame Kilcoo for not fielding tomorrow night. They have as good of chance of winning Ulster as they are ever going to have. They are just right not to let anything get in the way of that. It is disappointing that the way our county league is going to end but every club in the county would do the same in their situation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on November 03, 2016, 09:29:23 AM
Loughinisland has a similar situation last year. They won the Down IFC on the Sunday and where made to play Longstone in a promotion playoff the following Saturday. Island assumed that when the Co Board notified them of on the fixture on the  Monday that the match wouldn't go ahead as the precedent in previous years was that a club in Ulster would have been allowed to focus on Ulster and there was also a wedding in Longstone on the Saturday. By Friday when it became apparent Co Board where not going to move the fixture, Island were told that if they didn't show Longstone would be awarded the fixture. Island showed up but were ill prepared tactically,physically and mentally and the result was a foregone conclusion.

Whether it's fair or not if Island had have been awarded the same treatment as Kilcoo/Burren/Mayobridge had been in previous years I have no doubt they would have beaten Longstone.

It seems the Co Board has taken the stance of get the fixture pencilled in ASAP as we need the gate receipts and to hell with the Clubs Ulster/League prospects



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 03, 2016, 06:05:28 PM
kilcoo are 100% right not to play tonight. full concentration needs to be on trying to win an ulster title. its an absolute joke that the down county board are trying to play a league final on a thursday night in november.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 03, 2016, 09:04:28 PM
Why not finish the league by the middle of August and play the championship over 5 wks from the start of September.  That means league games are meaningful for all teams to the end and a league title is actually worth something !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 03, 2016, 11:39:20 PM
Whitegoodman that would make sense but let's be honest this is the county board.
What is the outcome of tonight?
Down GAA call the game off so I take it will be fixed for a later date?
No winners in this I'm sure Castlewellan are not happy either way?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 04, 2016, 07:21:12 AM
I'm not sure about this one folks.

EPL teams will always fulfil league fixtures, important or not, the weekend before they play a Champions League final. Pro 12 teams will fulfil their fixtures even if they've a European final.

So why should the GAA be different?

Prioritising competitions is as old as sport itself. Refusing to fulfil fixtures is completely against the spirit of sport.

Kilcoo may attempt to blame the County Board all they want here, but instead of looking wistfully at the previous, horrific instances where their opponents would wait 8 weeks to play their final league game, they should look at why they think they've a right to do this, when it doesn't happen in any other sport. GAA isn't that unique or tough ffs.

As for finishing up all leagues by early August just in case this situation happens again, that's a classic examples of the the many sacrificing everything for the few.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnny McCumiskey on November 04, 2016, 08:18:16 AM
 The easy way out for next year is the team that finished top wins the league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 04, 2016, 08:21:03 AM
Wobbler, youd be happy for Ballyholland to be in such a predicament?
Say they had to play an Intermediate semi-final in Ulster next weekend and had a fair chance at making the final, would you think it grand to be playing your Div2 league final last night?

Ye wouldn't be able to buy a paper in Newry for a whole winter if this was the case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on November 04, 2016, 10:02:48 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 04, 2016, 07:21:12 AM
I'm not sure about this one folks.

EPL teams will always fulfil league fixtures, important or not, the weekend before they play a Champions League final. Pro 12 teams will fulfil their fixtures even if they've a European final.

So why should the GAA be different?

Prioritising competitions is as old as sport itself. Refusing to fulfil fixtures is completely against the spirit of sport.

Kilcoo may attempt to blame the County Board all they want here, but instead of looking wistfully at the previous, horrific instances where their opponents would wait 8 weeks to play their final league game, they should look at why they think they've a right to do this, when it doesn't happen in any other sport. GAA isn't that unique or tough ffs.

As for finishing up all leagues by early August just in case this situation happens again, that's a classic examples of the the many sacrificing everything for the few.

Exactly, not blaming Kilcoo the County Board has set the precedent in years gone by.  Dundalk FC played 10 matches in 30 days then a trip to Russia a week later followed by a cup final 72 hours later. Some of these players are amateurs as well.

Is the price of success not having to play more matches. Kilcoo would have a bigger squad of players than Dundalk to pick from.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 04, 2016, 10:20:39 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 04, 2016, 08:21:03 AM
Wobbler, youd be happy for Ballyholland to be in such a predicament?
Say they had to play an Intermediate semi-final in Ulster next weekend and had a fair chance at making the final, would you think it grand to be playing your Div2 league final last night?

Ye wouldn't be able to buy a paper in Newry for a whole winter if this was the case.
I see you've imagined Ballyholland in an Ulster Intermediate Final. Have they now dropped down from Senior? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 04, 2016, 10:32:32 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 04, 2016, 08:21:03 AM
Wobbler, youd be happy for Ballyholland to be in such a predicament?
Say they had to play an Intermediate semi-final in Ulster next weekend and had a fair chance at making the final, would you think it grand to be playing your Div2 league final last night?

Ye wouldn't be able to buy a paper in Newry for a whole winter if this was the case.

Brick, being genuinely honest, if we were in an Ulster championship semi final then a league final wouldn't matter a damn to me. But I'd expect the club to fulfil the fixture and I'd expect the senior panellists to use it both to impress and to work on match fitness on winter surfaces.

Again, if every other sport in the world see teams prioritise without throwing their toys out of the pram, then why not GAA?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 04, 2016, 10:51:44 AM
But you're comparing professional sports teams with amateur GAA players at club level.
The stakes are higher, huge sums of money involved etc. Hard to compare what it would mean to a bunch of students, brickies and joiners to win 'big' for their club on a provincial/national level with that of professional sportsmen. Plus it means so much more to the club as a whole. If Ballyholland won an Ulster and went further you can guarantee it would give the wider club a shot in the arm that wouldn't be comparable in Pro Rugby or soccer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 04, 2016, 11:42:54 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 04, 2016, 10:51:44 AM
But you're comparing professional sports teams with amateur GAA players at club level.
The stakes are higher, huge sums of money involved etc. Hard to compare what it would mean to a bunch of students, brickies and joiners to win 'big' for their club on a provincial/national level with that of professional sportsmen. Plus it means so much more to the club as a whole. If Ballyholland won an Ulster and went further you can guarantee it would give the wider club a shot in the arm that wouldn't be comparable in Pro Rugby or soccer.

Well as someone else above pointed out, look at Dundalk's schedule over the past 2 months.

Actually look at the schedule that Slaughtneil'a dual players have faced the past few months.

Let's not kid ourselves that there's something so utterly unique and wonderful about club GAA that somehow the best squad in our county isn't fit to cope with 3 important games in 3 weeks.

It's a cop out and is a further example of the heightened bullshit that runs through our games these days where every team does what they can make sure football is played on their terms only, and then blame administrators who cannot fulfil the impossible.

Read back on some of the rubbish above. It's actually scandalous that anonymous keyboard warriors feel they can empty two barrels upon administrators. Our clubs will do anything they can to ruin their weeks and these people deserve more respect.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on November 04, 2016, 12:05:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 04, 2016, 11:42:54 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 04, 2016, 10:51:44 AM
But you're comparing professional sports teams with amateur GAA players at club level.
The stakes are higher, huge sums of money involved etc. Hard to compare what it would mean to a bunch of students, brickies and joiners to win 'big' for their club on a provincial/national level with that of professional sportsmen. Plus it means so much more to the club as a whole. If Ballyholland won an Ulster and went further you can guarantee it would give the wider club a shot in the arm that wouldn't be comparable in Pro Rugby or soccer.

Well as someone else above pointed out, look at Dundalk's schedule over the past 2 months.

Actually look at the schedule that Slaughtneil'a dual players have faced the past few months.

Let's not kid ourselves that there's something so utterly unique and wonderful about club GAA that somehow the best squad in our county isn't fit to cope with 3 important games in 3 weeks.

It's a cop out and is a further example of the heightened bullshit that runs through our games these days where every team does what they can make sure football is played on their terms only, and then blame administrators who cannot fulfil the impossible.

Read back on some of the rubbish above. It's actually scandalous that anonymous keyboard warriors feel they can empty two barrels upon administrators. Our clubs will do anything they can to ruin their weeks and these people deserve more respect.

You know wobbler have to agree with all of the above. I have split view on this - if it had been decided on the Monday of this week that the final was to be played on the Thursday giving both Castlewellan & Kilcoo little or no time to prepare properly (irrespective of training both teams would be doing anyway) then the County Board I believe would have been in the wrong & both clubs could feel rightly annoyed. If on the other hand if it was known from last week (what appears to be the case) the match should have went ahead with ample time between this and the Ulster Championship Match Kilcoo would play Sunday week. Lots of differing views but for me the chance to get another competitive match, try a few different players & tactics etc. would only have been a good thing for Kilcoo.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 04, 2016, 12:10:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 04, 2016, 10:32:32 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 04, 2016, 08:21:03 AM
Wobbler, youd be happy for Ballyholland to be in such a predicament?
Say they had to play an Intermediate semi-final in Ulster next weekend and had a fair chance at making the final, would you think it grand to be playing your Div2 league final last night?

Ye wouldn't be able to buy a paper in Newry for a whole winter if this was the case.

Brick, being genuinely honest, if we were in an Ulster championship semi final then a league final wouldn't matter a damn to me. But I'd expect the club to fulfil the fixture and I'd expect the senior panellists to use it both to impress and to work on match fitness on winter surfaces.

Again, if every other sport in the world see teams prioritise without throwing their toys out of the pram, then why not GAA?
Some understandable opinions there wobbler but
Why not the GAA , u ask?

And the answer is in your question!
It is not comparable to rugby, soccer which are isolated games, it is The Gaelic Athletic Association, which is an organisation involving several sports and activities, organised around a sense of place and with an identity, and ethos ingrained in its official guide. I genuinely enjoy and respect several other sports, but the GAA is about more than just comparing one sport ( Gaelic football) with another (rugby) . Several very capable GAA players, and members have absolutely no interest in that ethos and those rules , but the rules are  there, and though they have weaknesses they are a significant  reason why GAA is so strong throughout Ireland and beyond.
We can risk diluting or undermining that ethos for expediency but we should be careful what we wish for. I think gaelic football is a brilliant sport in its own right , but most non-GAA people don't think that , unfortunately ( cf Sky viewing figures) . Without the glamour, money , worldwide appeal and wall-to-wall publicity of its main rival, soccer, I fear Gaelic football in isolation would struggle. However as part of a vibrant Irish cultural organisation , with tribal rivalry thrown in for good measure, it punches well above its weight as a sport in Ireland and among the Diaspora.
So by simply comparing the ACFL title for Kilcoo to the Pro 12 for Glasgow Warriors franchise , is like comparing apples and oranges, in my opinion.

Given that league playoffs and ulster club clashes has been a recurrent bone of contention , CCCC needs to look at an alternative system going forward. I can appreciate both sides of the argument, but to expect Kilcoo to risk injury in a competitive Derby , just over a week before their crack at getting to an Ulster final , is probably unrealistic. Hopefully there'll be a satisfactory resolution for all parties involved.
Absolutely agree regarding abuse of administrators, constructive criticism certainly, but personalised abuse of those who work hard to give us 1000s  of games every year is unacceptable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 04, 2016, 12:14:48 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 04, 2016, 12:10:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 04, 2016, 10:32:32 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 04, 2016, 08:21:03 AM
Wobbler, youd be happy for Ballyholland to be in such a predicament?
Say they had to play an Intermediate semi-final in Ulster next weekend and had a fair chance at making the final, would you think it grand to be playing your Div2 league final last night?

Ye wouldn't be able to buy a paper in Newry for a whole winter if this was the case.

Brick, being genuinely honest, if we were in an Ulster championship semi final then a league final wouldn't matter a damn to me. But I'd expect the club to fulfil the fixture and I'd expect the senior panellists to use it both to impress and to work on match fitness on winter surfaces.

Again, if every other sport in the world see teams prioritise without throwing their toys out of the pram, then why not GAA?
Some understandable opinions there wobbler but
Why not the GAA , u ask?

And the answer is in your question!
It is not comparable to rugby, soccer which are isolated games, it is The Gaelic Athletic Association, which is an organisation involving several sports and activities, organised around a sense of place and with an identity, and ethos ingrained in its official guide. I genuinely enjoy and respect several other sports, but the GAA is about more than just comparing one sport ( Gaelic football) with another (rugby) . Several very capable GAA players, and members have absolutely no interest in that ethos and those rules , but the rules are  there, and though they have weaknesses they are a significant  reason why GAA is so strong throughout Ireland and beyond.
We can risk diluting or undermining that ethos for expediency but we should be careful what we wish for. I think gaelic football is a brilliant sport in its own right , but most non-GAA people don't think that , unfortunately ( cf Sky viewing figures) . Without the glamour, money , worldwide appeal and wall-to-wall publicity of its main rival, soccer, I fear Gaelic football in isolation would struggle. However as part of a vibrant Irish cultural organisation , with tribal rivalry thrown in for good measure, it punches well above its weight as a sport in Ireland and among the Diaspora.
So by simply comparing the ACFL title for Kilcoo to the Pro 12 for Glasgow Warriors franchise , is like comparing apples and oranges, in my opinion.

Given that league playoffs and ulster club clashes has been a recurrent none of contention , CCCC needs to look at an alternative system going forward. I can appreciate both sides of the argument, but to expect Kilcoo to risk injury in a competitive Derby , just over a week before their crack at getting to an Ulster final , is probably unrealistic. Hopefully there'll be a satisfactory resolution for all parties involved.

Did Kilcoo not have an U21 game on the same night?

Irrespective of the Ulster club championship, you surely couldn't ask a club to field in an U21 game and senior in the same night, there's bound to be overlaps on both panels, surely?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on November 04, 2016, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 04, 2016, 12:14:48 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 04, 2016, 12:10:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 04, 2016, 10:32:32 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 04, 2016, 08:21:03 AM
Wobbler, youd be happy for Ballyholland to be in such a predicament?
Say they had to play an Intermediate semi-final in Ulster next weekend and had a fair chance at making the final, would you think it grand to be playing your Div2 league final last night?

Ye wouldn't be able to buy a paper in Newry for a whole winter if this was the case.

Brick, being genuinely honest, if we were in an Ulster championship semi final then a league final wouldn't matter a damn to me. But I'd expect the club to fulfil the fixture and I'd expect the senior panellists to use it both to impress and to work on match fitness on winter surfaces.

Again, if every other sport in the world see teams prioritise without throwing their toys out of the pram, then why not GAA?
Some understandable opinions there wobbler but
Why not the GAA , u ask?

And the answer is in your question!
It is not comparable to rugby, soccer which are isolated games, it is The Gaelic Athletic Association, which is an organisation involving several sports and activities, organised around a sense of place and with an identity, and ethos ingrained in its official guide. I genuinely enjoy and respect several other sports, but the GAA is about more than just comparing one sport ( Gaelic football) with another (rugby) . Several very capable GAA players, and members have absolutely no interest in that ethos and those rules , but the rules are  there, and though they have weaknesses they are a significant  reason why GAA is so strong throughout Ireland and beyond.
We can risk diluting or undermining that ethos for expediency but we should be careful what we wish for. I think gaelic football is a brilliant sport in its own right , but most non-GAA people don't think that , unfortunately ( cf Sky viewing figures) . Without the glamour, money , worldwide appeal and wall-to-wall publicity of its main rival, soccer, I fear Gaelic football in isolation would struggle. However as part of a vibrant Irish cultural organisation , with tribal rivalry thrown in for good measure, it punches well above its weight as a sport in Ireland and among the Diaspora.
So by simply comparing the ACFL title for Kilcoo to the Pro 12 for Glasgow Warriors franchise , is like comparing apples and oranges, in my opinion.

Given that league playoffs and ulster club clashes has been a recurrent none of contention , CCCC needs to look at an alternative system going forward. I can appreciate both sides of the argument, but to expect Kilcoo to risk injury in a competitive Derby , just over a week before their crack at getting to an Ulster final , is probably unrealistic. Hopefully there'll be a satisfactory resolution for all parties involved.

Did Kilcoo not have an U21 game on the same night?

Irrespective of the Ulster club championship, you surely couldn't ask a club to field in an U21 game and senior in the same night, there's bound to be overlaps on both panels, surely?

Your right on this having both fixtures scheduled on the same night was crazy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on November 04, 2016, 03:50:45 PM
This has got the tongues wagging alright. IMO I understand Kilcoo's position although I do recall notification being given to the clubs at the start of the year regarding the leagues and that they had to be finished irrespective of Ulster commitments but in hindsight this was probably not going to happen. I believe that we need to come up with a schedule which ensures the league final (if we even need a final) is played before the championship final is played. The leagues start earlier next year so that should give some more time to get the games slotted in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on November 04, 2016, 07:33:53 PM
I agree with Johnny - whoever finishes top wins the league. It's a farce to expect teams to continue playing at this time of year. We see it happen any year a team progresses in Ulster.
I feel sorry for both teams. Asking castlewellan to train without a definite final date and for Kilcoo to risk injuries before a massive game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 04, 2016, 09:59:08 PM
Anyone who thinks this isn't the administrators fault needs to take a look at themselves.

- Like others have said the team that finishes top of the league should win the league and this would avoid all of this nonsense.

- Comparing the down gaa club calendar to other professional sports is also a nonsense.  Even for Dundalk there is a lot of money at stake and their players get hundreds if not thousands of pounds to perform when they are told to perform.

- The pinnacle of the down club season is the senior championship final and this should be the last game in the club season not a league game on a Thursday night in November in front of a couple of hundred people.  There is no reason why the calendar couldn't be centred around getting the league finished up before the championship starts.  Armagh can do it so why cant we.

- Our club record in Ulster over the last 30 years is diabolical so we should be offering Kilcoo all the help we can not hindering their preparation.  Who knows it might actually help the county team in the long run if they could get over the line in Ulster.

- Having the club calendar finalised by early October bar the teams in Ulster allows the club players to have  a meaningful off season and younger lads can concentrate on one team in the winter be it the club under 21s (which is another farce) or college football.  People wonder what we can do for player burnout and some of the issues are staring us right in the face.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 04, 2016, 10:23:55 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 04, 2016, 09:59:08 PM
Anyone who thinks this isn't the administrators fault needs to take a look at themselves.

- Like others have said the team that finishes top of the league should win the league and this would avoid all of this nonsense.

- Comparing the down gaa club calendar to other professional sports is also a nonsense.  Even for Dundalk there is a lot of money at stake and their players get hundreds if not thousands of pounds to perform when they are told to perform.

- The pinnacle of the down club season is the senior championship final and this should be the last game in the club season not a league game on a Thursday night in November in front of a couple of hundred people.  There is no reason why the calendar couldn't be centred around getting the league finished up before the championship starts.  Armagh can do it so why cant we.

- Our club record in Ulster over the last 30 years is diabolical so we should be offering Kilcoo all the help we can not hindering their preparation.  Who knows it might actually help the county team in the long run if they could get over the line in Ulster.

- Having the club calendar finalised by early October bar the teams in Ulster allows the club players to have  a meaningful off season and younger lads can concentrate on one team in the winter be it the club under 21s (which is another farce) or college football.  People wonder what we can do for player burnout and some of the issues are staring us right in the face.
great post. Totally agree. The league final (if there's any need for one) should be at start of august, 2 week break then run the championship over the next 5/6 weeks. Championship finals being the end and the pinnacle of the calendar.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on November 04, 2016, 10:29:58 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 04, 2016, 10:23:55 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 04, 2016, 09:59:08 PM
Anyone who thinks this isn't the administrators fault needs to take a look at themselves.

- Like others have said the team that finishes top of the league should win the league and this would avoid all of this nonsense.

- Comparing the down gaa club calendar to other professional sports is also a nonsense.  Even for Dundalk there is a lot of money at stake and their players get hundreds if not thousands of pounds to perform when they are told to perform.

- The pinnacle of the down club season is the senior championship final and this should be the last game in the club season not a league game on a Thursday night in November in front of a couple of hundred people.  There is no reason why the calendar couldn't be centred around getting the league finished up before the championship starts.  Armagh can do it so why cant we.

- Our club record in Ulster over the last 30 years is diabolical so we should be offering Kilcoo all the help we can not hindering their preparation.  Who knows it might actually help the county team in the long run if they could get over the line in Ulster.

- Having the club calendar finalised by early October bar the teams in Ulster allows the club players to have  a meaningful off season and younger lads can concentrate on one team in the winter be it the club under 21s (which is another farce) or college football.  People wonder what we can do for player burnout and some of the issues are staring us right in the face.
great post. Totally agree. The league final (if there's any need for one) should be at start of august, 2 week break then run the championship over the next 5/6 weeks. Championship finals being the end and the pinnacle of the calendar.

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 04, 2016, 10:43:58 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 04, 2016, 10:23:55 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 04, 2016, 09:59:08 PM
Anyone who thinks this isn't the administrators fault needs to take a look at themselves.

- Like others have said the team that finishes top of the league should win the league and this would avoid all of this nonsense.

- Comparing the down gaa club calendar to other professional sports is also a nonsense.  Even for Dundalk there is a lot of money at stake and their players get hundreds if not thousands of pounds to perform when they are told to perform.

- The pinnacle of the down club season is the senior championship final and this should be the last game in the club season not a league game on a Thursday night in November in front of a couple of hundred people.  There is no reason why the calendar couldn't be centred around getting the league finished up before the championship starts.  Armagh can do it so why cant we.

- Our club record in Ulster over the last 30 years is diabolical so we should be offering Kilcoo all the help we can not hindering their preparation.  Who knows it might actually help the county team in the long run if they could get over the line in Ulster.

- Having the club calendar finalised by early October bar the teams in Ulster allows the club players to have  a meaningful off season and younger lads can concentrate on one team in the winter be it the club under 21s (which is another farce) or college football.  People wonder what we can do for player burnout and some of the issues are staring us right in the face.
great post. Totally agree. The league final (if there's any need for one) should be at start of august, 2 week break then run the championship over the next 5/6 weeks. Championship finals being the end and the pinnacle of the calendar.

I presume the playoff aspect of the league is to compensate clubs adversely affected by the starred games and if it wasn't there the county players would be pulled from pillar to post.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 04, 2016, 10:57:57 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 04, 2016, 10:43:58 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 04, 2016, 10:23:55 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 04, 2016, 09:59:08 PM
Anyone who thinks this isn't the administrators fault needs to take a look at themselves.

- Like others have said the team that finishes top of the league should win the league and this would avoid all of this nonsense.

- Comparing the down gaa club calendar to other professional sports is also a nonsense.  Even for Dundalk there is a lot of money at stake and their players get hundreds if not thousands of pounds to perform when they are told to perform.

I presume the playoff aspect of the league is to compensate clubs adversely affected by the starred games and if it wasn't there the county players would be pulled from pillar to post.

- The pinnacle of the down club season is the senior championship final and this should be the last game in the club season not a league game on a Thursday night in November in front of a couple of hundred people.  There is no reason why the calendar couldn't be centred around getting the league finished up before the championship starts.  Armagh can do it so why cant we.

- Our club record in Ulster over the last 30 years is diabolical so we should be offering Kilcoo all the help we can not hindering their preparation.  Who knows it might actually help the county team in the long run if they could get over the line in Ulster.

- Having the club calendar finalised by early October bar the teams in Ulster allows the club players to have  a meaningful off season and younger lads can concentrate on one team in the winter be it the club under 21s (which is another farce) or college football.  People wonder what we can do for player burnout and some of the issues are staring us right in the face.
great post. Totally agree. The league final (if there's any need for one) should be at start of august, 2 week break then run the championship over the next 5/6 weeks. Championship finals being the end and the pinnacle of the calendar.
Would take common sense lads to organise the league like that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 04, 2016, 11:41:45 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 04, 2016, 10:57:57 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 04, 2016, 10:43:58 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 04, 2016, 10:23:55 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 04, 2016, 09:59:08 PM
Anyone who thinks this isn't the administrators fault needs to take a look at themselves.

- Like others have said the team that finishes top of the league should win the league and this would avoid all of this nonsense.

- Comparing the down gaa club calendar to other professional sports is also a nonsense.  Even for Dundalk there is a lot of money at stake and their players get hundreds if not thousands of pounds to perform when they are told to perform.

I presume the playoff aspect of the league is to compensate clubs adversely affected by the starred games and if it wasn't there the county players would be pulled from pillar to post.

- The pinnacle of the down club season is the senior championship final and this should be the last game in the club season not a league game on a Thursday night in November in front of a couple of hundred people.  There is no reason why the calendar couldn't be centred around getting the league finished up before the championship starts.  Armagh can do it so why cant we.

- Our club record in Ulster over the last 30 years is diabolical so we should be offering Kilcoo all the help we can not hindering their preparation.  Who knows it might actually help the county team in the long run if they could get over the line in Ulster.

- Having the club calendar finalised by early October bar the teams in Ulster allows the club players to have  a meaningful off season and younger lads can concentrate on one team in the winter be it the club under 21s (which is another farce) or college football.  People wonder what we can do for player burnout and some of the issues are staring us right in the face.
great post. Totally agree. The league final (if there's any need for one) should be at start of august, 2 week break then run the championship over the next 5/6 weeks. Championship finals being the end and the pinnacle of the calendar.
Would take common sense lads to organise the league like that.

Hold on lads.
So u want the leagues which usually start mid April to finish less than 4 months later in early August . For several clubs who will be knocked out early in the championship , they'll have a 4 month season . So 98% of our players who are club players only are potentially going to have an 8 month off-season. Those quick to criticise fixture makers should realise there are several factors that must be considered in fixture making.
The problem is , that most clubs don't want to play without their full complement of players, therefore 98% of players are left twiddling their thumbs when there are county matches . Though you can't compare GAA to other sports in many cases, there is a system in rugby which would solve all our problems. Games go ahead without county players, but there are a couple of 8-10 week Windows in the playing season when there is no county football , and during that time there are weekly club matches for all . All but The final 3 weeks of the club championship season (qfinal onwards) should involve games for every club. Importantly this should be nationally imposed on all counties to level the playing field for all counties . If all county finals are complete by end of October , then November December allow run off of the Ulster and allireland club championships , with a pre-Christmas allireland final . The season would look something like this : mar/April: Intercounty grading round robin/ club league football. May/June : Intercounty rest/ club championship round robin. July/August : Intercounty championship , with every county involved up until round before A/B quarter finals, club leagues. AI final end of August . Sept/October club championships with county players, all clubs involved up to  A/B quarter final stage .

Crucial to this is that it must be imposed nationally. It will give every player almost weekly games, provide 3-4 month closed season/pre season for all. Each week during the Intercounty season, a maximum of 24 county players are held back from club football.
There are 2 seperate club competitions 1. League which goes ahead regardless of county football 2. Championship when clubs have their full complement .


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on November 06, 2016, 07:54:07 PM
Simple solution, scrap play off sysrem, serves no purpose except to cause problems at the end of the season.
Similarly the rules governing the postponement and refixing of games needs over hauled, at the moment a rule exists that states games have to be refixed within 10 days, this rule should carry a forfeiture of points , is this rule enforced, no it's not.
So yet again the end of the season is a farce.
Seriously the whole system as it stands isn't working , quite the opposite, last year and this year Loughinisland are disadvantaged, Kilcoo are similarly treated this year, it's a shame that we as a county seem to go out of our way to make things difficult, this subject of play offs , starred games etc must be on the agenda at the county convention.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 06, 2016, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: oileain blues on November 06, 2016, 07:54:07 PM
Simple solution, scrap play off sysrem, serves no purpose except to cause problems at the end of the season.
Similarly the rules governing the postponement and refixing of games needs over hauled, at the moment a rule exists that states games have to be refixed within 10 days, this rule should carry a forfeiture of points , is this rule enforced, no it's not.
So yet again the end of the season is a farce.
Seriously the whole system as it stands isn't working , quite the opposite, last year and this year Loughinisland are disadvantaged, Kilcoo are similarly treated this year, it's a shame that we as a county seem to go out of our way to make things difficult, this subject of play offs , starred games etc must be on the agenda at the county convention.

I'm not going to get into it in any depth here, but hopefully you won't need it explained in big letters either. In short, the only reason why we have aleague system that largely works well over the summer  is because of the starred games system, and the only reason the starred system works is because the end of season playoffs provide a get out of jail card for clubs that produce County players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 06, 2016, 08:17:43 PM
Quote from: oileain blues on November 06, 2016, 07:54:07 PM
Simple solution, scrap play off sysrem, serves no purpose except to cause problems at the end of the season.
Similarly the rules governing the postponement and refixing of games needs over hauled, at the moment a rule exists that states games have to be refixed within 10 days, this rule should carry a forfeiture of points , is this rule enforced, no it's not.
So yet again the end of the season is a farce.
Seriously the whole system as it stands isn't working , quite the opposite, last year and this year Loughinisland are disadvantaged, Kilcoo are similarly treated this year, it's a shame that we as a county seem to go out of our way to make things difficult, this subject of play offs , starred games etc must be on the agenda at the county convention.

Incorrect, games can be played on any date as long as both teams agree.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 06, 2016, 09:14:39 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 04, 2016, 12:14:48 PM
Did Kilcoo not have an U21 game on the same night?

Yep.


Ye'd really wonder what goes through the heads of those in charge of fixtures at times. How did they ever think it was a good idea to fix the game for that Thurs? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on November 06, 2016, 10:48:09 PM
The under 21 competition! Is reaching the business end now quarter finals fixed for next weekend! Any idea when the draw will be made? Any predictions as to who will win?

I have noticed that the management have been in attendance at a number of matches!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on November 07, 2016, 07:32:53 AM
The starred games initiative came about in the late 80s and early 90s when we had a successful county team , we don't need a starred game system which only leads to the end of season farce we have now.
The rules governing the re fixing of games are so vague that they are constantly broken which leads to the fixture pile up at the end of the season.
It's up to the c c c to enforce rule 7g , however they seldom do this,unless  you come from East Down, then it's applied and this leads to the situation Loughinisland and Kilcoo face and have faced this year and previous years.
Start the season the same time as the all county premie reserve leagues start , that's usually 3-4 weeks before leagues 1 and 2 start, do this and make sure any postponed matches are played within ten days of the original date and the year end fixture pile up won't happen
How do the likes of Tyrone handle their league fixture programme , I don't think they have a starred match system and their county team seems to be doing ok .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 07, 2016, 08:49:23 AM
Quote from: oileain blues on November 07, 2016, 07:32:53 AM
The starred games initiative came about in the late 80s and early 90s when we had a successful county team , we don't need a starred game system which only leads to the end of season farce we have now.
The rules governing the re fixing of games are so vague that they are constantly broken which leads to the fixture pile up at the end of the season.
It's up to the c c c to enforce rule 7g , however they seldom do this,unless  you come from East Down, then it's applied and this leads to the situation Loughinisland and Kilcoo face and have faced this year and previous years.
Start the season the same time as the all county premie reserve leagues start , that's usually 3-4 weeks before leagues 1 and 2 start, do this and make sure any postponed matches are played within ten days of the original date and the year end fixture pile up won't happen
How do the likes of Tyrone handle their league fixture programme , I don't think they have a starred match system and their county team seems to be doing ok .
Apparently Tyrone Gaels aren't happy with their club system either. The starred system is far from perfect but it is better than most other counties.
The problem lies with the fact that league & championship status are linked. Therefore , understandably clubs feel they can't afford to lose any games, and don't want to play without county players, and otherwise postpone games until they feel best equipped to play them.
The county game and county players also suffer, as they are being asked to play 4 games in 10 days in the lead up to the Intercounty Ulster championship
I am convinced that the establishment of the CPA will lead to a nationally imposed system which seeks to provide an attractive program of games for all players. At the same time , the status of clubs shouldn't be affected by having county players. An extended club Marquee competition ( league/Roundrobin leading to knockout championship final stages) should be protected with no interference of county fixtures . But on all other weeks during the club season should be occupied by a league system which must go ahead without county players if necessary , though they will return to play for their clubs when individually released, or collectively released when county involvement finishes. Clubs with county players can't have their championship status effected by league status
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 07, 2016, 08:59:50 AM
Quote from: oileain blues on November 07, 2016, 07:32:53 AM
The starred games initiative came about in the late 80s and early 90s when we had a successful county team , we don't need a starred game system which only leads to the end of season farce we have now.
The rules governing the re fixing of games are so vague that they are constantly broken which leads to the fixture pile up at the end of the season.
It's up to the c c c to enforce rule 7g , however they seldom do this,unless  you come from East Down, then it's applied and this leads to the situation Loughinisland and Kilcoo face and have faced this year and previous years.
Start the season the same time as the all county premie reserve leagues start , that's usually 3-4 weeks before leagues 1 and 2 start, do this and make sure any postponed matches are played within ten days of the original date and the year end fixture pile up won't happen
How do the likes of Tyrone handle their league fixture programme , I don't think they have a starred match system and their county team seems to be doing ok .

Don't need a starred system? I'd be fairly confident of Down beating Armagh at home. Should that happen, even if we get beaten in an Ulster Semi, the qualifiers will take til July, maybe mid July for an exit.

Do you reckon we should just cancel league football for that 6 week period instead? Or should we just wait and hope for the best (which, means hoping for the worst for our county team)?

Re starting the leagues four weeks earlier... every year this is brought up by a few people, and the same people go mysteriously quiet when it pisses down in March and early April and half the pitches in the county are unplayable. I will repeat til the day I'm done that the single biggest reason for fixture problems is postponements and full rounds of league football in march will guarantee postponements.

Regarding Tyrone, they play roughly half their league matches every year without County players, yet they've ran into the exact same problem as Down in 2016, where a handful of clubs had to wait 6-8 weeks to finish their league programmes, due to club championships taking precedence.

By the way, like everyone in the county, I'm all ears if you have genuine, well thought out solutions for the scheduling problems. But what you wrote above is just typical of the lazy buck passing that happens every year at this time.

Clubs being unwilling to fulfil fixtures when we have long summer evenings - doing anything they can to make sure that wee Tommy is back is back from America, or big Paul has a few more days to get over his injury - is actually the crux of the problem. It is one that is fed by paid managers doing anything they can to ensure a win and therefore prove their worth, but the underlying problem is that there is a culture in our games where clubs will do what they can to get out of playing unless all conditions are in their favour. Most recently evidenced in our league final.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 07, 2016, 01:28:21 PM
Start the league in the first week of March, regular games end by mid August with top 2 and 2nd and 3rd from bottom (bottom team goes straight down) meeting the following week to decide who wins the league and who is the second team to go down.

Start the championship in first week of September over a 6 week period finishing in Mid October.  Unless we are in the preliminary round of Ulster then this should provide a weeks rest to the winners before going into ulster.

Including preseason which is likely to start in the first week of January then all players should a period of at least 8 1/2 months of football and 3 1/2 months off season.  And that would just be for the players that are knocked out of the first round of the back door system and do not have under 21 or college football during the winter months.

If this gets too tight reduce the leagues to 10 teams which increase competitiveness and reduces fixture congestion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on November 07, 2016, 01:54:45 PM
I'm not sure of all the details of fixture setting but I have always found it strange that reserve league starts basically a month before the senior leagues. Why is this? Is it to do with County football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 07, 2016, 03:01:30 PM
Quote from: outinfront on November 07, 2016, 01:54:45 PM
I'm not sure of all the details of fixture setting but I have always found it strange that reserve league starts basically a month before the senior leagues. Why is this? I still it to do with County football?

Yes, clubs with county players do not want to start the league earlier as it would involve missing county men.
Some people dismiss this, but in reality why would Longstone,  for example , want to play a further 4 further vital league games without county men. I would agree with wobbler re pitch availability in March , as it's a bad start to the season to have pitches torn up, as well as high risks of postponements. I think we are yet to get a perfect system but a number of tweaks over the years have improved things. Finishing the Intercounty season earlier is an absolute must , allowing sept/oct/Nov for club championship. However I feel it's essential that all but the final rounds must involve all teams, so that all clubs get several games with their county men. The league finals/playoffs must be finished before the championship starts. Our current championship structure is ingenious Imho , and a minor tweak to simultaneously run off a shield competition, and championship relegation playoffs , ensures that all clubs are involved until quarter final stage at least, with every game being meaningful . The key thing is that we have to change the mindset of some that football can't be played in October/November . Arguably a system to distribute gate receipts pro-rata on the basis of championship grading would further incentivise competitiveness for every championship game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on November 08, 2016, 09:17:44 AM
Paddy O Rourke and Steven Mc Donell in the Burren hotseat. Mayobridge and Warrenpoints managements already mentioned on here, has there been any other appointments as there seemed to be a lot of clubs looking new managers?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 08, 2016, 10:34:21 AM
Quote from: Mourne man on November 06, 2016, 10:48:09 PM
The under 21 competition! Is reaching the business end now quarter finals fixed for next weekend! Any idea when the draw will be made? Any predictions as to who will win?

I have noticed that the management have been in attendance at a number of matches!
g

Warrenpoint v Burren
Clonduff v Downpatrick
Longstone v Mayobridge
Kilcoo v Carryduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on November 08, 2016, 11:31:31 AM
The Castlewellan guys have already been celebrating winning the division 1 title that they haven't won.
In fairness, it's not their fault and I'm sure they wouldn't want a league simply handed to them.
Kilcoo have topped the league most of the year but are a victim of their own success regarding representing Down in the Ulster championship campaign. A campaign no Down team have won since the 80s.
Just because we've won the championship doesn't mean we don't give a toss about the league, to do the double would be a great achievement for the club.
However it does seem higher powers do seem to be putting obstacles in the way, putting on an U21 match on the same night as the league final is another example.
Wobbler mentioned, we do this to suit ourselves, absolutely, no different to any other clubs.
Darragh O'Hanlon received a very dangerous tackle during the glenswilly game, a similar injury killed a young rugby player in Belfast last year.
We would love to have a decent selection of players to choose from to play in a league final but the county board are making this impossible, and in doing so also belittling the whole league.
Most people I think would agree whoever finishes top should win the league, problem solved, keep play offs for the bottom of the league so teams like Longstone get a fair shot.
Big changes needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 08, 2016, 11:38:51 AM
I doubt the league final will be done away with while the county board can still pocket the gate from it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on November 08, 2016, 12:26:01 PM
If Co Board do award the fixture to Castlewellan, which is really their only option given their previous decisions this year, that will be the Div 1 and Div 2 champions decided by the CCC and not on the field of play. Complete farce
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 08, 2016, 01:56:44 PM
You could also say it was decided by the teams who decided not to turn up.
Depends on what side way you look at it.
I do have sympathy for both teams involved but the county board do need to take a strong hand on fixtures.  It would benefit all though if they did it during the year to stop teams moving games for stags/holidays etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on November 08, 2016, 04:23:54 PM
It would benefit all if the ccc applied the rules impartially across the board.What we have now is a situation whereby the ccc expected Kilcoo to play a league final and an u21 match the same night, that's as careless as having someone on the ccc disciplinary committee from the same club as the referee who sent of a player, mind boggles as to how these people think.
Kilcoo will win their case and it will prove the Island were shafted last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 08, 2016, 04:55:16 PM
Kilcoo were in a very hard position last week and can really see where they are coming from but ultimately they did not show up for the fixture so they will lose the game
Ballymartin notified the county board this year that the were not playing against Ballyholland as they played a game 2 nights before and lost the game
Loughinisland failed to play Kingdom and lost the game
It will be very interesting tonight to see do they also take the same stance
If not you can guarantee a lot of Loughinisland and Ballymartin people will be disgusted
But yes I can see why Kilcoo failed to field
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 08, 2016, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: oileain blues on November 08, 2016, 04:23:54 PM
What we have now is a situation whereby the ccc expected Kilcoo to play a league final and an u21 match the same night,

Exactly.

Leaving aside the Ulster Championship for a moment, how could anyone involved with football not realise that there is an overlap in the squads?

I can't wrap my head around the idea that no one on the CCC could see a potential problem with fixing the two games for the same night. When they make up a fixture, do they not look at what else is on in the days preceeding, the day of, and a few days after, any fixture?


edit: Even more to the point - when it was brought to their attention, why did they not reschedule? (either the U-21 match, or the seniors)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 08, 2016, 05:32:22 PM
To be fair that is quite ridiculous.  I dont know of any club who could have that - simply because almost every club has a number of u21 players who play seniors.  Did that genuinely just happen like that or did the u21 teams involved move their game to that particular night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on November 08, 2016, 07:14:13 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 08, 2016, 04:55:16 PM
Kilcoo were in a very hard position last week and can really see where they are coming from but ultimately they did not show up for the fixture so they will lose the game
Ballymartin notified the county board this year that the were not playing against Ballyholland as they played a game 2 nights before and lost the game
Loughinisland failed to play Kingdom and lost the game
It will be very interesting tonight to see do they also take the same stance
If not you can guarantee a lot of Loughinisland and Ballymartin people will be disgusted
But yes I can see why Kilcoo failed to field
Kilcoo are chancing their arm. The match should have been played on the weekend of 22/23 October as stated in the Co Board statement last Thursady and Kilcoo shouldn't have been allowed any additional preparation time for the Ulster Quarter Final. CCC in 2015 refused the same request by Loughinisland and in doing so this should have been the precedent going forward. It seems that it is one rule for some clubs and another for others. What explanation can the CCC provide as to why even their own decisions aren't consistent?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on November 08, 2016, 08:03:57 PM
Looks like kilcoo will have the same problem this weekend they are down to play an under 21 match 2 hours before their Ulster semi final! Madness!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on November 08, 2016, 09:20:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on November 08, 2016, 08:03:57 PM
Looks like kilcoo will have the same problem this weekend they are down to play an under 21 match 2 hours before their Ulster semi final! Madness!

Kilcoo are such a nuisance to our county board. ::)

If ye didn't laugh ye'd cry. We are all sort of used to Down co board doing these strange things at this stage, Are there any other boards in the country with such a catalog of 'errors'/bad rep?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 08, 2016, 09:27:15 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on November 08, 2016, 09:20:01 PM
Are there any other boards in the country with such a catalog of 'errors'/bad rep?

I believe the Down board are... or at least were, one of the better ones.


I know its a difficult, often thankless task at times, but really... they'd save themselves an awful lot of heartache if they would:
- post on the website clear rationale for any fixture conflicts, explaining why the obvious alternatives cannot be used.
- post on the website immediately any requests for postponements from any clubs and their reasons.
- putting a bit of thought into their scheduling. Look at this next dilemma - as per Mourne Man above, why is the Kilcoo U21 match on at virtually the same time as the Ulster Championship game? Why not have it under lights the next night? How can anyone think its a good idea to have it 2 hrs before the SFC game? Maybe there are good reasons, but by f**k they are eluding me!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 08, 2016, 09:41:45 PM
Just wondering...do any of you lads giving out about our County Board have any experience of scheduling fixtures or juggling multiple requests from awkward club secretaries and even more awkward club managers. I have worked with 4 fixtures secretaries in Down over the last 15 years or so and everyone of them have been nothing but obliging and decent. Sometimes they'll tell you to wise up and take a run and jump if you request something unrealistic....which is fair enough. Mistakes can be made ...no problem with that but in my experience the Down lads looking after fixtures get things right most of the time and do their best to accommodate sensible fixture changes where possible. No need to run them down on here....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 08, 2016, 10:47:33 PM
The two pages of back and forward on the issue on here should highlight in itself what a hard job it is to arrange fixtures to suit everyone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: T O Hare on November 08, 2016, 10:50:23 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 08, 2016, 09:41:45 PM
Just wondering...do any of you lads giving out about our County Board have any experience of scheduling fixtures or juggling multiple requests from awkward club secretaries and even more awkward club managers. I have worked with 4 fixtures secretaries in Down over the last 15 years or so and everyone of them have been nothing but obliging and decent. Sometimes they'll tell you to wise up and take a run and jump if you request something unrealistic....which is fair enough. Mistakes can be made ...no problem with that but in my experience the Down lads looking after fixtures get things right most of the time and do their best to accommodate sensible fixture changes where possible. No need to run them down on here....

Excellent post Paddy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on November 09, 2016, 05:42:41 AM
Castlewellan awarded game, interesting to see Kilcoo s next move, trip to Ulster GAA for an appeal I think.
What a mess, this perennial problem has to be sorted , how is the question, I've sympathy for Kilcoo,best of luck in semi .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on November 10, 2016, 12:10:17 PM
Quote from: oileain blues on November 09, 2016, 05:42:41 AM
Castlewellan awarded game, interesting to see Kilcoo s next move, trip to Ulster GAA for an appeal I think.
What a mess, this perennial problem has to be sorted , how is the question, I've sympathy for Kilcoo,best of luck in semi .

Has this been formally announced?
It is fair to say that the organising of fixtures is a nigh impossible task; with all clubs being guilty of trying to rearrange games for one reason or another throughout the season, which inevitably leaves a back log of fixtures to get fulfilled. As some one mentioned above a clear set of rules and procedures for postponing a fixture should be available on the website and enforced with absolutely no exceptions. With regards to clubs who go on to represent Down in Ulster, there should be a proposal made at the next convention to deal with this issue and an agreement among all clubs on how the completion of league fixtures will go ahead when still in Ulster.
However it is inexcusable for the county board to fix an U21 game for Kilcoo and then schedule the senior league final for the same night. Also had a look at the Down website there and the U21 game between Kilcoo & Carryduff is still scheduled for 12pm this Sunday, 2 and a half hours before the Ulster semi final in Newry; no matter how hard it is to arrange fixtures, things like this should not be happening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 11, 2016, 06:11:50 PM
Down supporters hoping to see Marty Clarke back in the fold next year are set to be disappointed after his brother John admitted that a return is unlikely.

Clarke, who interrupted his AFL career to return home and inspire Down to an All-Ireland final appearance in 2010, was surprisingly overlooked by manager Eamonn Burns last year as the Mourne County endured a torrid season which saw them fail to win a competitive game. The 29-year-old was diagnosed with Addison's Disease in 2014, prompting him to return from Australia for good, but this hasn't stopped him from showing terrific form for his club.

"He's playing away with Queen's and he had a fantastic year with An Ríocht last year," John Clarke - who played alongside him in the 2010 All-Ireland final - told the Irish News.

"He almost single-handedly got them promotion to Division 1 and they lost out in the intermediate championship final. He's happy playing Sigerson for Queen's and he just feels that he can't give the level of commitment required at county level due to time constraints and also due to his Addison's Disease.

"That's where he is, but it could change if he was approached by Eamonn and maybe asked in the right manner. If he was asked to work with him in a more flexible manner he might consider it, but at the minute I can't see Marty playing for Down next year."

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 11, 2016, 06:14:32 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 11, 2016, 06:11:50 PM
Down supporters hoping to see Marty Clarke back in the fold next year are set to be disappointed after his brother John admitted that a return is unlikely.

Clarke, who interrupted his AFL career to return home and inspire Down to an All-Ireland final appearance in 2010, was surprisingly overlooked by manager Eamonn Burns last year as the Mourne County endured a torrid season which saw them fail to win a competitive game. The 29-year-old was diagnosed with Addison's Disease in 2014, prompting him to return from Australia for good, but this hasn't stopped him from showing terrific form for his club.

"He's playing away with Queen's and he had a fantastic year with An Ríocht last year," John Clarke - who played alongside him in the 2010 All-Ireland final - told the Irish News.

"He almost single-handedly got them promotion to Division 1 and they lost out in the intermediate championship final. He's happy playing Sigerson for Queen's and he just feels that he can't give the level of commitment required at county level due to time constraints and also due to his Addison's Disease.

"That's where he is, but it could change if he was approached by Eamonn and maybe asked in the right manner. If he was asked to work with him in a more flexible manner he might consider it, but at the minute I can't see Marty playing for Down next year."
d
Depressing and  shameful that we can't allow senior players some leeway. Especially Marty with his health issues.  Best player we developed in a long time and it's a shame a lot of kids won't see him play for the county. Few others in same bracket.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 11, 2016, 06:34:03 PM
'Almost single handedly got them promotion' is it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 11, 2016, 08:13:27 PM
Unfortunately the Irish News used quite a bit of poetic licence when using the quotes they got from John. The article doesnt reflect the interview apparently...typical press trying to make a story out of nothing. Disappointing...no need to embellish lads....otherwise good GAA coverage..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 12, 2016, 02:37:53 PM
All, due to the success we, Bredagh, have had this season we have been nominated for an Aisling award. It's awarded on a public vote so can I ask you to vote for us please http://belfastmediagroup.com/sean-graham-sport-award16/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on November 12, 2016, 07:40:33 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 12, 2016, 02:37:53 PM
All, due to the success we, Bredagh, have had this season we have been nominated for an Aisling award. It's awarded on a public vote so can I ask you to vote for us please http://belfastmediagroup.com/sean-graham-sport-award16/

Just voted, all the best SquareBall
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on November 13, 2016, 09:29:11 AM
Good luck Bredagh, hope you win,and to Kilcoo I extend best wishes from the Island , hope you go on and win today and Ulster .
A recent post on another site quoted the Pro from Kilcoo talking about an agaenda against his club, he may have a point , we thought the same about how we were treated, my view is that the chairman of the ccc is an arrogant sod who only has one view of things HIS,I sincerely hope Kilcoo win today and win their appeal as the team who finish top of the league are in my eyes the league winners and there should be no need for league finals, time for change!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 13, 2016, 09:39:16 AM
good luck to kilcoo today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on November 13, 2016, 10:03:28 AM
Hope Kilcoo can continue today and record another win in  Ulster - hopefully a good Down crowd to cheer the magpies on-UTM!! Also good luck to Bredagh with their award nomination.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on November 13, 2016, 10:22:50 AM
Cheers folks, hopefully we give Maghery a good go of her today! Regardless of what happens, the lads have done the parish proud!

#UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on November 13, 2016, 12:55:12 PM
Good luck Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 13, 2016, 01:17:35 PM
Thanks to all who voted for us, if you haven't please do so. Pity were not there for the game prior to the Kilcoo one, and best of luck to them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 13, 2016, 06:35:42 PM
really impressive display from kilcoo today with ryan johnson and laverty pulling the strings they had some brillant performers all over the field. serious fitness levels mixed with some brillant link up saw them win easily in the end. should be some final against slaughtneil.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale2 on November 13, 2016, 07:49:32 PM
Well done Kilcoo. Imprssive win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 13, 2016, 08:26:24 PM
Best of luck in the final Kilcoo. Hope ye do it.
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 16, 2016, 11:23:12 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 11, 2016, 06:11:50 PM
Down supporters hoping to see Marty Clarke back in the fold next year are set to be disappointed after his brother John admitted that a return is unlikely.

Clarke, who interrupted his AFL career to return home and inspire Down to an All-Ireland final appearance in 2010, was surprisingly overlooked by manager Eamonn Burns last year as the Mourne County endured a torrid season which saw them fail to win a competitive game. The 29-year-old was diagnosed with Addison's Disease in 2014, prompting him to return from Australia for good, but this hasn't stopped him from showing terrific form for his club.

"He's playing away with Queen's and he had a fantastic year with An Ríocht last year," John Clarke - who played alongside him in the 2010 All-Ireland final - told the Irish News.

"He almost single-handedly got them promotion to Division 1 and they lost out in the intermediate championship final. He's happy playing Sigerson for Queen's and he just feels that he can't give the level of commitment required at county level due to time constraints and also due to his Addison's Disease.

"That's where he is, but it could change if he was approached by Eamonn and maybe asked in the right manner. If he was asked to work with him in a more flexible manner he might consider it, but at the minute I can't see Marty playing for Down next year."
Been off line for a while.What a load of tripe and then young Madine is looking back also until the next invite comes from the States.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 16, 2016, 02:31:08 PM
..and should he not take up the opportunity to go to the states?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 16, 2016, 03:05:51 PM
Take up the opportunity off course but don't waste the county management teams time
That would also apply to all the other lads the head off to the states in June
If you are going to the states then you should not be in the county squad
The management team are mad to even consider the American lads if you ask me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 17, 2016, 09:10:10 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 16, 2016, 02:31:08 PM
..and should he not take up the opportunity to go to the states?
Indeed he should go to the States if asked but don't waste everyone's time/energy plus Supporter's hopes,etc by the player maybe having a good league run with the hope of pushing on to help beat Armagh in the Championship only to disappear!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 17, 2016, 02:58:06 PM
The point about Madine is surely that, having been involved with Down for the last four seasons, he did not actually have `a good league run' earlier this year and was instead restricted to a couple of brief appearances from the bench. He concluded, rightly or wrongly, that his championship prospects were equally limited and decided to spend the summer in the States. A fresh squad is being drawn up for 2017 and, allowing for fitness and form, it would be harsh not to consider him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 17, 2016, 05:31:38 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 17, 2016, 02:58:06 PM
The point about Madine is surely that, having been involved with Down for the last four seasons, he did not actually have `a good league run' earlier this year and was instead restricted to a couple of brief appearances from the bench. He concluded, rightly or wrongly, that his championship prospects were equally limited and decided to spend the summer in the States. A fresh squad is being drawn up for 2017 and, allowing for fitness and form, it would be harsh not to consider him.
Agree with that alright but take the passport off him he improves throughout the League. :P :P :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 09:50:26 AM
Some of you may have read this already but we're up for the Gaelic Life club of the year award. Can you vote for us please, were up against  Slaughtneil and Donaghmoyne. Vote for us here please

http://gaeliclife.com/2016/11/club-year-award/

Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 18, 2016, 10:58:32 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 09:50:26 AM
Some of you may have read this already but we're up for the Gaelic Life club of the year award. Can you vote for us please, were up against  Slaughtneil and Donaghmoyne. Vote for us here please

http://gaeliclife.com/2016/11/club-year-award/

Thanks
surely you don't think you'll beat Slaughtneil in this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 18, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Quote from: wobbller on November 18, 2016, 10:58:32 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 09:50:26 AM
Some of you may have read this already but we're up for the Gaelic Life club of the year award. Can you vote for us please, were up against  Slaughtneil and Donaghmoyne. Vote for us here please

http://gaeliclife.com/2016/11/club-year-award/

Thanks
surely you don't think you'll beat Slaughtneil in this?

They're actually beating them at the minute. Think Slaughtneil will win in the end though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 12:04:42 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 18, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Quote from: wobbller on November 18, 2016, 10:58:32 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 09:50:26 AM
Some of you may have read this already but we're up for the Gaelic Life club of the year award. Can you vote for us please, were up against  Slaughtneil and Donaghmoyne. Vote for us here please

http://gaeliclife.com/2016/11/club-year-award/

Thanks
surely you don't think you'll beat Slaughtneil in this?

They're actually beating them at the minute. Think Slaughtneil will win in the end though.

Its worth a try. We have a big membership and by utilising goodwill and contacts why not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 18, 2016, 02:14:33 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 12:04:42 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 18, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Quote from: wobbller on November 18, 2016, 10:58:32 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 09:50:26 AM
Some of you may have read this already but we're up for the Gaelic Life club of the year award. Can you vote for us please, were up against  Slaughtneil and Donaghmoyne. Vote for us here please

http://gaeliclife.com/2016/11/club-year-award/

Thanks
surely you don't think you'll beat Slaughtneil in this?

They're actually beating them at the minute. Think Slaughtneil will win in the end though.

Its worth a try. We have a big membership and by utilising goodwill and contacts why not

And still have to amalgamate with Carryduff to put out an U21 hurling team, how so?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on November 18, 2016, 02:26:58 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 18, 2016, 02:14:33 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 12:04:42 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 18, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Quote from: wobbller on November 18, 2016, 10:58:32 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 09:50:26 AM
Some of you may have read this already but we're up for the Gaelic Life club of the year award. Can you vote for us please, were up against  Slaughtneil and Donaghmoyne. Vote for us here please

http://gaeliclife.com/2016/11/club-year-award/

Thanks
surely you don't think you'll beat Slaughtneil in this?

They're actually beating them at the minute. Think Slaughtneil will win in the end though.

Its worth a try. We have a big membership and by utilising goodwill and contacts why not

And still have to amalgamate with Carryduff to put out an U21 hurling team, how so?

because they are decent like that.......Good luck Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 18, 2016, 03:41:11 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 18, 2016, 02:14:33 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 12:04:42 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 18, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Quote from: wobbller on November 18, 2016, 10:58:32 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 09:50:26 AM
Some of you may have read this already but we're up for the Gaelic Life club of the year award. Can you vote for us please, were up against  Slaughtneil and Donaghmoyne. Vote for us here please

http://gaeliclife.com/2016/11/club-year-award/

Thanks
surely you don't think you'll beat Slaughtneil in this?

They're actually beating them at the minute. Think Slaughtneil will win in the end though.

Its worth a try. We have a big membership and by utilising goodwill and contacts why not

And still have to amalgamate with Carryduff to put out an U21 hurling team, how so?
because Hurling wouldn't be too popular on mainland Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 04:36:37 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 18, 2016, 03:41:11 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 18, 2016, 02:14:33 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 12:04:42 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 18, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Quote from: wobbller on November 18, 2016, 10:58:32 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 09:50:26 AM
Some of you may have read this already but we're up for the Gaelic Life club of the year award. Can you vote for us please, were up against  Slaughtneil and Donaghmoyne. Vote for us here please

http://gaeliclife.com/2016/11/club-year-award/

Thanks
surely you don't think you'll beat Slaughtneil in this?

They're actually beating them at the minute. Think Slaughtneil will win in the end though.

Its worth a try. We have a big membership and by utilising goodwill and contacts why not

And still have to amalgamate with Carryduff to put out an U21 hurling team, how so?
because Hurling wouldn't be too popular on mainland Down.

Simple, lack of numbers at that age, same as no minor team two years ago,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 18, 2016, 08:42:57 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 18, 2016, 03:41:11 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 18, 2016, 02:14:33 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 12:04:42 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 18, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Quote from: wobbller on November 18, 2016, 10:58:32 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 09:50:26 AM
Some of you may have read this already but we're up for the Gaelic Life club of the year award. Can you vote for us please, were up against  Slaughtneil and Donaghmoyne. Vote for us here please

http://gaeliclife.com/2016/11/club-year-award/

Thanks
surely you don't think you'll beat Slaughtneil in this?

They're actually beating them at the minute. Think Slaughtneil will win in the end though.

Its worth a try. We have a big membership and by utilising goodwill and contacts why not

And still have to amalgamate with Carryduff to put out an U21 hurling team, how so?
because Hurling wouldn't be too popular on mainland Down.

Mainland Down isn't exactly setting the football world alight either apart from Kilcoo who get shafted by our very own CB at every opportunity.
Has yer man in Burren opened up a bigger gym yet?
He must have relations on the CB 😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 18, 2016, 11:36:44 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 18, 2016, 08:42:57 PM
Quote from: wobbller on November 18, 2016, 03:41:11 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 18, 2016, 02:14:33 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 12:04:42 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 18, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Quote from: wobbller on November 18, 2016, 10:58:32 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 09:50:26 AM
Some of you may have read this already but we're up for the Gaelic Life club of the year award. Can you vote for us please, were up against  Slaughtneil and Donaghmoyne. Vote for us here please

http://gaeliclife.com/2016/11/club-year-award/

Thanks
surely you don't think you'll beat Slaughtneil in this?

They're actually beating them at the minute. Think Slaughtneil will win in the end though.

Its worth a try. We have a big membership and by utilising goodwill and contacts why not

And still have to amalgamate with Carryduff to put out an U21 hurling team, how so?
because Hurling wouldn't be too popular on mainland Down.

Mainland Down isn't exactly setting the football world alight either apart from Kilcoo who get shafted by our very own CB at every opportunity.
Has yer man in Burren opened up a bigger gym yet?
He must have relations on the CB 😉
Agreed about football also.Who's yer man?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 19, 2016, 09:57:21 AM
Paddy O'Rourke's son no doubt. Sure you may as well have a pop at a man who's got the balls to try and start his own business. All because you're insulted that hurling isn't very popular outside of the Ards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 19, 2016, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 18, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Quote from: wobbller on November 18, 2016, 10:58:32 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on November 18, 2016, 09:50:26 AM
Some of you may have read this already but we're up for the Gaelic Life club of the year award. Can you vote for us please, were up against  Slaughtneil and Donaghmoyne. Vote for us here please

http://gaeliclife.com/2016/11/club-year-award/

Thanks
surely you don't think you'll beat Slaughtneil in this?

They're actually beating them at the minute. Think Slaughtneil will win in the end though.

The voting for all these awards is actually click bait and doesn't mean you win the award no matter how many votes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on November 19, 2016, 09:45:07 PM
By setting the world alight do you mean winning Ulster titles?  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on November 21, 2016, 10:02:55 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 19, 2016, 09:57:21 AM
Paddy O'Rourke's son no doubt. Sure you may as well have a pop at a man who's got the balls to try and start his own business. All because you're insulted that hurling isn't very popular outside of the Ards.

Touching a raw nerve, eh?

My source was from outside the Ards and a footballing diehard who was pissed off with the lack of transparency in a lot of these types of activities.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointman2 on November 21, 2016, 10:42:25 AM
Please explain more rather than innuendos that the rest of us do not understand. What favours, who is using what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 21, 2016, 11:54:13 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 21, 2016, 10:02:55 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 19, 2016, 09:57:21 AM
Paddy O'Rourke's son no doubt. Sure you may as well have a pop at a man who's got the balls to try and start his own business. All because you're insulted that hurling isn't very popular outside of the Ards.

Touching a raw nerve, eh?

My source was from outside the Ards and a footballing diehard who was pissed off with the lack of transparency in a lot of these types of activities.
This is like a spy movie.Full of intrigue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 21, 2016, 01:43:22 PM
The Duffs are favourites to reach Down under 21 final

First named team have the home venue, Sunday 27th
CPN v Carryduff
Mayobridge v Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on November 21, 2016, 05:33:02 PM
Not having neutral venues for the semi finals is a joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 21, 2016, 06:18:56 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on November 21, 2016, 05:33:02 PM
Not having neutral venues for the semi finals is a joke
cheer up.You're from either of the duffs and should win anyhow wherever the games are played.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on November 23, 2016, 10:21:14 AM
Both the point and clonduff have pedigree at under 21 level with a few big names on both teams! So they will be undoubted favourites! Carryduff could end up getting caught cold they haven't been tested to date!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on November 23, 2016, 10:35:47 AM
Who are the big names to watch out for?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 23, 2016, 05:53:23 PM
Packie O'Hagan will beat the Bridge on his own. Burren should have taken the Bridge in the first game. The point have a strong side and Donach McAleenan is an exciting talent. It will be interesting to see what Carryduff can do when they are up against a good team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on November 23, 2016, 09:21:37 PM
Young mcconville from clonduff was very impressive for the hilltown men's seniors run to the championship final! Both teams have quite a few established players with senior team experience!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 23, 2016, 11:12:14 PM
The county board has announced the sad death of Joe Lennon, triple All Ireland champion and one of the great figures of Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 25, 2016, 04:54:35 PM
   Managed our third last Ulster winning team 36 years ago.RIP.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 25, 2016, 08:05:06 PM
RIP Joe.What a player
All the best to Kilcoo on Sunday let's show this county how it's done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 25, 2016, 10:06:49 PM
Plenty of tributes to Joe on the Death Notices Thread lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 26, 2016, 04:03:02 PM
good luck to kilcoo in ulster final, hopefully Down people of all clubs will turn out in big numbers to get behind the magpies. it's a long time since a senior ulster club title came to Down so hopefully kilcoo can change that tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 26, 2016, 06:41:29 PM
How raging will the majority of down clubs be if kilcoo win tomorrow?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 26, 2016, 08:01:37 PM
Good luck to Kilcoo , great occasion for the club. Would be great to see them take an Ulster title home
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 26, 2016, 08:10:07 PM
id love to see kilcoo win tomorrow, fantastic achievement so far. Id imagine the vast majority of gaa supporters in Down would wish them well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on November 26, 2016, 08:11:05 PM
Quote from: ardtole on November 26, 2016, 08:10:07 PM
id love to see kilcoo win tomorrow, fantastic achievement so far. Id imagine the vast majority of gaa supporters in Down would wish them well.

+1  UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 26, 2016, 08:52:33 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on November 26, 2016, 08:11:05 PM
Quote from: ardtole on November 26, 2016, 08:10:07 PM
id love to see kilcoo win tomorrow, fantastic achievement so far. Id imagine the vast majority of gaa supporters in Down would wish them well.

+1  UTM

Yes. Best of luck to Kilcoo.  There will be begrudgers from a few. Majority of the county would be behind them. Hope they do it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on November 26, 2016, 09:32:52 PM
Good luck to Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 26, 2016, 09:43:14 PM
Quote from: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 26, 2016, 06:41:29 PM
How raging will the majority of down clubs be if kilcoo win tomorrow?
F T Begrudgers
We're all magpies tomorrow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on November 26, 2016, 10:01:03 PM
UTM , good luck tomorrow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on November 27, 2016, 09:08:49 AM
Best wishes to Kilcoo today hope they can claim the Ulster title today i will be there to cheer them all the way Slaughtneil had a mighty last fifteen minutes to win the title two years ago and kilcoo play with such pace and precision -hopefully it will be a great spectacle UTM!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on November 27, 2016, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 23, 2016, 05:53:23 PM
Packie O'Hagan will beat the Bridge on his own. Burren should have taken the Bridge in the first game. The point have a strong side and Donach McAleenan is an exciting talent. It will be interesting to see what Carryduff can do when they are up against a good team
The bridge won,was packie not playing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on November 27, 2016, 03:18:28 PM
Quote from: elk on November 27, 2016, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 23, 2016, 05:53:23 PM
Packie O'Hagan will beat the Bridge on his own. Burren should have taken the Bridge in the first game. The point have a strong side and Donach McAleenan is an exciting talent. It will be interesting to see what Carryduff can do when they are up against a good team
The bridge won,was packie not playing?

What happened other semi. Results on Down web page say game abandoned
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 27, 2016, 04:09:25 PM
Hard luck Kilcoo. Heads up and go again next year. Highlights on tg4 at 5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on November 27, 2016, 04:10:12 PM
Quote from: The Raven on November 27, 2016, 03:18:28 PM
Quote from: elk on November 27, 2016, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 23, 2016, 05:53:23 PM
Packie O'Hagan will beat the Bridge on his own. Burren should have taken the Bridge in the first game. The point have a strong side and Donach McAleenan is an exciting talent. It will be interesting to see what Carryduff can do when they are up against a good team
The bridge won,was packie not playing?

What happened other semi. Results on Down web page say game abandoned

Quote from: The Raven on November 27, 2016, 03:18:28 PM
Quote from: elk on November 27, 2016, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 23, 2016, 05:53:23 PM
Packie O'Hagan will beat the Bridge on his own. Burren should have taken the Bridge in the first game. The point have a strong side and Donach McAleenan is an exciting talent. It will be interesting to see what Carryduff can do when they are up against a good team
The bridge won,was packie not playing?

What happened other semi. Results on Down web page say game abandoned

Injury to carryduff player
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 27, 2016, 04:30:42 PM
Quote from: elk on November 27, 2016, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 23, 2016, 05:53:23 PM
Packie O'Hagan will beat the Bridge on his own. Burren should have taken the Bridge in the first game. The point have a strong side and Donach McAleenan is an exciting talent. It will be interesting to see what Carryduff can do when they are up against a good team
The bridge won,was packie not playing?

Sorry was away watching another Down team crumble in Ulster. Some of Kilcoo management decisions were baffling.
Big win for the Bridge. I was told their well was dry at underage but two finals on the trot is a good achievement.

How many Ulster finals have Down team been beaten in since 1988?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 27, 2016, 04:49:23 PM
CPN and Loughinisland have won ulsters don't forget clownjim
Hard luck Kilcoo no embarrassment getting beat in Ulster final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 27, 2016, 05:02:34 PM
Niall McAvoy should have started.  McIvor and his band of followers made some wrong decisions . Is it true McIvor is heading to a team closer to home ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointman2 on November 27, 2016, 07:30:01 PM
Kilcoo's big names did not perform, apart maybe from Johnston. Defence was good but midfield and upwards were very poor. And yet........they had their chances. But numbers 3, 6, 8 and 11 for Slaughtneill were very good.

Have to say it is not a good style of football tobwatch and no chance of an all Ireland there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Stallion on November 27, 2016, 08:17:45 PM
Agree, it's a horrible brand of football to watch. Not a vintage team by any means.

What's the craic with Down club football these days though? If Kilcoo are the best team in the County I wouldn't like to see your worst.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 27, 2016, 08:25:22 PM
disappointing day for kilcoo. their bigger name players didnt perform or more accurately werent allowed to perform, paul devlin and connor laverty had little or no impact on the game.  kilcoo's defence were good especially in the 2nd half but their forwards got little change from the slaughtneil defence.
darragh o hanlons decision to go short with a scoreable free with 10 minutes left was a big turning point, kilcoo had the momentum at that stage and instead of being a level match slaughtneil broke to make it a 2 point game.
kilcoo had chances and will be bitterly disappointed tonight but they done themselves proud all year. jerome was a major miss for kilcoo in a match like that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 27, 2016, 08:45:16 PM
There were some very tight margins at the Athletic Grounds today, and, while just about the better side won, Kilcoo had enough chances to get over the line. Paul Devlin had two fairly simple opportunities in front of goal, one from a 20m free and one from play, which both dropped short, while his marker, Rodgers, went up the other end and scored two points himself. O'Hanlon did all the hard work with a brilliant run and then sliced his shot wide, again inside the 20m line, before misplacing a pass inside the scoring zone and having to watch Slaughtneil go straight down the pitch and kick a point. The loss of Jerome Johnston was probably crucial but winning the hurling and football double is an incredible achievement for a fairly small club like Slaughtneil.

The big question is how many Kilcoo players may now join the Down squad. Presumably the two Johnstons, O'Hanlon and Paul Devlin will all be back. We could probably do with three of the Branagans, although they have apparently turned down previous opportunities. Niall Kane has a much better kick-out than his elder brother, and Ceilum Doherty would be a prospect if he filled out. Laverty was not at his best today, and may no longer be interested in county football, but it would be a pity if we never see him in a Down jersey again.






Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on November 27, 2016, 08:52:41 PM
Quote from: The Stallion on November 27, 2016, 08:17:45 PM
Agree, it's a horrible brand of football to watch. Not a vintage team by any means.

What's the craic with Down club football these days though? If Kilcoo are the best team in the County I wouldn't like to see your worst.

Dont understand the latter comment Kilcoo where there on merit and despite playing poor enough had there chances to win it. The 5 min period prior to half time when Slaughtneil got to 9-5 relatively quickly was vital and left alot for Kilcoo to do.. small things / mistakes all added up against Kilcoo, a poor kickout resulted in a point, a mix up with a short free kick lead to another when at the other end Kilcoo missed a few scores they would usually expect to get. Kilcoo though can be proud of where they have come from they are a serious team and have done their parish proud...Fair play to Slaughtneil though no one gives you these things they went out and earned it and on the day where the better team good luck to them in All Ireland stages.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 27, 2016, 08:54:36 PM
Yes stallion the standard in Down football is not great but that's hardly Kilcoo fault
They are a dogged team with no real stand out players but by god they play well as a team
We won't look back in 20 years and talk about a great brand of football they play but what they do play is affective
For Down I would have johnstones Kane O Hanlon Branaganx1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 27, 2016, 09:06:26 PM
After what the county board did to Kilcoo you might find that their players won't want to pull on the Down jersey. Hope not but who could blame them. Down are far from their thoughts now they know today was a massive chance unfortunately they just couldn't get over the line. They will have another go next year . The rest in Down have a way to go to challenge them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on November 27, 2016, 09:23:08 PM
Quote from: The Raven on November 27, 2016, 03:18:28 PM
Quote from: elk on November 27, 2016, 01:54:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 23, 2016, 05:53:23 PM
Packie O'Hagan will beat the Bridge on his own. Burren should have taken the Bridge in the first game. The point have a strong side and Donach McAleenan is an exciting talent. It will be interesting to see what Carryduff can do when they are up against a good team
The bridge won,was packie not playing?

What happened other semi. Results on Down web page say game abandoned

Carryduff player was accidentally knocked on conscious just after the restart.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clarshack on November 27, 2016, 10:41:28 PM
Would carryduff be favourites for the u-21's? They seem to have dished out a few hidings.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on November 27, 2016, 11:08:20 PM
No luck for us today. Absolutely gutted to say the least. Our lads have been magnificent during their run to the final and just came up short. Not to say we didn't have our chances as Slaughtneil were definitely there for the taking. We had a couple of uncharacteristic errors which passed the momentum to Slaughtneil who took their chances when presented. It was frustrating at times but can have no complaints when those fellas are out there bursting themselves!

Fair play to them, that's 2 Ulster titles in 3 years and the treble for their club this year. Fantastic achievement and hopefully they go on and do well in the All Ireland series.

That's 2 finals we've been beaten in now...Here's hoping its 3rd time lucky! #UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on November 28, 2016, 08:22:57 AM
Quote from: clarshack on November 27, 2016, 10:41:28 PM
Would carryduff be favourites for the u-21's? They seem to have dished out a few hidings.

Warrenpoint would be favourites at this stage! Carryduff got out of jail yesterday with the woodwork saving them on a number of occasions! The game should have been out of sight at half time! That is some scoring in the other match!! Who caught the eye?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: superduck123 on November 28, 2016, 11:36:27 AM
Quote from: Mourne man on November 28, 2016, 08:22:57 AM
Quote from: clarshack on November 27, 2016, 10:41:28 PM
Would carryduff be favourites for the u-21's? They seem to have dished out a few hidings.

Warrenpoint would be favourites at this stage! Carryduff got out of jail yesterday with the woodwork saving them on a number of occasions! The game should have been out of sight at half time! That is some scoring in the other match!! Who caught the eye?

Don't know what game you were at here? the game was well in the balance when the injury occurred with both teams having a large amount of wides. Should be a good re-fixture
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on November 28, 2016, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: superduck123 on November 28, 2016, 11:36:27 AM
Quote from: Mourne man on November 28, 2016, 08:22:57 AM
Quote from: clarshack on November 27, 2016, 10:41:28 PM
Would carryduff be favourites for the u-21's? They seem to have dished out a few hidings.

Warrenpoint would be favourites at this stage! Carryduff got out of jail yesterday with the woodwork saving them on a number of occasions! The game should have been out of sight at half time! That is some scoring in the other match!! Who caught the eye?

Don't know what game you were at here? the game was well in the balance when the injury occurred with both teams having a large amount of wides. Should be a good re-fixture
I agree Superduck. I was at the game and Carryduff must have had 6 wides in the 1st half. CPN maybe marginally the better team but no way should they have been out of site by ht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 28, 2016, 07:49:48 PM
The Point and Carryduff always are strong at underage but can't seem to bring them through to challenge at SFC. Is McAleenan over the point ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 29, 2016, 07:15:46 AM
What's the story with Burren clownjim?They have the best and most successful underage teams in Down this past 10-15 years but don't seem to carry that through at senior level?Some of there underage players were stars at minor level no sign of them featuring on the starting team?Where is the problem?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 29, 2016, 11:24:32 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 29, 2016, 07:15:46 AM
What's the story with Burren clownjim?They have the best and most successful underage teams in Down this past 10-15 years but don't seem to carry that through at senior level?Some of there underage players were stars at minor level no sign of them featuring on the starting team?Where is the problem?
Managers come in at Senior level from outside the Club and the underage stars,managed usually by good Club men at underage level,can't cope and get no tlc from the £ men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 29, 2016, 02:11:47 PM
Burren have been competing in the top division in Down longer than any other. The coaching is working fine and I think that other clubs should get off their holes and start to produce and coach players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 29, 2016, 02:43:44 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 29, 2016, 02:11:47 PM
Burren have been competing in the top division in Down longer than any other. The coaching is working fine and I think that other clubs should get off their holes and start to produce and coach players.
Indeed it is.Last year's league of nation's Senior Management team worked out really well.Well done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on November 29, 2016, 04:41:14 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 29, 2016, 02:11:47 PM
Burren have been competing in the top division in Down longer than any other. The coaching is working fine and I think that other clubs should get off their holes and start to produce and coach players.
CPN could always re-open the caravan park beside Moygannon river.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 30, 2016, 03:52:52 PM
Who are these great coaches use have clownjim?
And who are all these players the use produce?
Hardly top tier players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on December 04, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on November 28, 2016, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: superduck123 on November 28, 2016, 11:36:27 AM
Quote from: Mourne man on November 28, 2016, 08:22:57 AM
Quote from: clarshack on November 27, 2016, 10:41:28 PM
Would carryduff be favourites for the u-21's? They seem to have dished out a few hidings.

Warrenpoint would be favourites at this stage! Carryduff got out of jail yesterday with the woodwork saving them on a number of occasions! The game should have been out of sight at half time! That is some scoring in the other match!! Who caught the eye?

Don't know what game you were at here? the game was well in the balance when the injury occurred with both teams having a large amount of wides. Should be a good re-fixture
I agree Superduck. I was at the game and Carryduff must have had 6 wides in the 1st half. CPN maybe marginally the better team but no way should they have been out of site by ht
CPN won a bit easier today than the final score suggests should be a tight final with the bridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 05, 2016, 09:51:39 PM
Good to see Mark Poland committing to Down for another year. Still a classy player and has been a great servant to the county team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on December 06, 2016, 10:24:31 AM
Is the squad named for McKenna cup does anyone know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 06, 2016, 06:31:35 PM
Gerard McGovern selected to play for Ulster. The best full back in the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 07, 2016, 01:07:37 PM
Danny Murphy of Burren has passed away R.I.P.
A true GAA Legend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 07, 2016, 04:50:35 PM
RIP Danny. A tremendous servant to the GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on December 10, 2016, 08:11:14 AM
R.I.P Danny had several dealings with Danny over the years - a hard worker for club,county and province- Thank you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 11, 2016, 02:00:20 PM
Down U21 final
Mayobridge 2.10   1.9 CPN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 11, 2016, 05:43:43 PM
Big shock with that result. The Bridge seem to be getting their house in order at underage again.
Burren had a hard fought win v Dunloy, an Ulster title is an achievable target for these talented youngsters. Are Saul and Rostrevor our only winners in this tournament?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 14, 2016, 03:43:22 PM
With only one election at Convention tonight,it'll be dreary.Only a good read and the odd laugh at the various reports will stop people falling asleep.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on December 15, 2016, 09:07:12 AM
Anything exciting come from convention last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 15, 2016, 09:16:40 AM
 The excitement was rushing to cars after it was over.John Devaney still remains on one of the musical chairs.O'hanlon was unable to shift him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 15, 2016, 09:17:58 AM
Im guessing there was another rousing speech about how this will be the year when Down rises from the ashes, The Down Way blah blah blah...
Oh and the internet is evil.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 15, 2016, 05:33:41 PM
The magpies protest vote did not work, seamie may take up the whistle again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on December 15, 2016, 09:22:13 PM
Can someone tell me how much we actually borrowed from Croke Park ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 15, 2016, 10:53:16 PM
The Club Players' Association (CPA) have responded to claims from a leading county board official that the forming of the new players' body was unnecessary.

In his address to the Down convention, county board secretary Sean Og McAteer said that "we do not need another body, the Gaelic Athletic Association is one body and one people".

The CPA has been set-up to help voice the concerns of club players and will officially be launched on January 9th.

Responding to McAteer's comments, the players' body released the following statement on its Facebook page yesterday:

"Interesting to see Down County convention report. We as group would never have thought of coming together only that the current system has total disregard for club players. Now Club players will have a voice that won't be ignored.

"The Down county board showed little regard for the players of Kilcoo, their own county champions, or indeed the prestige of their own league competition when they fixed the league final for 3 November in the week of an Ulster club championship match. Séan Óg McAteer is of course correct, goodwill and commitment would have avoided that situation and would have allowed the Down champions to prepare properly to represent their county."

"The absence of goodwill, common sense and a reasonable concern for the players led the Kilcoo withdrawing on grounds of player welfare. It is situations like this that have Club players saying enough is enough."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 16, 2016, 03:00:04 PM
Is there any chance Kilcoos appeal will win? If it does will Castlewellan play ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on December 21, 2016, 06:03:31 AM
Why does each of the top table at the county convention get an individual vote in the election of county officers, because I believe this rule allows for the musical chair syndrome to prevail , culminating in the election of Mr Devaney as vice chair, I believe along with others that we need new blood which won't happen with the present rules in place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 21, 2016, 10:34:50 AM
Quote from: oileain blues on December 21, 2016, 06:03:31 AM
Why does each of the top table at the county convention get an individual vote in the election of county officers, because I believe this rule allows for the musical chair syndrome to prevail , culminating in the election of Mr Devaney as vice chair, I believe along with others that we need new blood which won't happen with the present rules in place.
More of the 'island  rebel streak coming out.Why wouldn't they as they are members of County Board?Going on this thought process-are you suggesting that your own committee can't vote at an L-island AGM?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on December 22, 2016, 08:11:50 AM
Surely the fact that each club attending the county convention has a max of 3 votes is a factor, all I'm saying is at the present there is no chance of changing the top table and introducing new blood while the current system prevails, it's musical chairs at present unless someone steps down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 22, 2016, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: oileain blues on December 22, 2016, 08:11:50 AM
Surely the fact that each club attending the county convention has a max of 3 votes is a factor, all I'm saying is at the present there is no chance of changing the top table and introducing new blood while the current system prevails, it's musical chairs at present unless someone steps down.

The reason why the current system prevails is that the people on the top table have (nearly always) spent years helping the county out on a voluntary basis, doing a lot of the sh1t jobs that nobody likes to do, and have built up strong personal relationships with most of the clubs as a result.

When it comes to a vote between someone who has shown a constant willingness to help the county, and someone whose primary reason for standing is to overthrow an incumbent, it's nearly always going to be natural to vote to maintain the status quo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 24, 2016, 03:56:35 PM
Well said Wobbler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on December 27, 2016, 02:34:46 PM
Paddy Tally going to Kilcoo as coach to work along with McIver.

Must be just as much money down there as there is around Burren..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 01, 2017, 10:43:33 AM
Happy New Year to all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 01, 2017, 04:08:37 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 01, 2017, 10:43:33 AM
Happy New Year to all.
happy new year to all, hopefully it can be a better one for down supporters. 2017 has already got off to a great start for burren with their minors winning the ulster title today. They beat kilrea from derry 4-8 to 3-5 in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 01, 2017, 04:53:42 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 01, 2017, 04:08:37 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 01, 2017, 10:43:33 AM
Happy New Year to all.
happy new year to all, hopefully it can be a better one for down supporters. 2017 has already got off to a great start for burren with their minors winning the ulster title today. They beat kilrea from derry 4-8 to 3-5 in the final.
How many outsiders were there on the Burren team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weebob on January 01, 2017, 05:07:34 PM
I see you's had to go for a Burren to manage you's next this year you smart ass.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: weebob on January 01, 2017, 05:13:22 PM
Congratulations to Burren minors ! You done the county proud.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 01, 2017, 05:39:14 PM
When you need an Ulster title you can always rely on us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 01, 2017, 06:42:09 PM
Well done Burren great win
I think this is going to be a great year for Down football
Kilcoo in Final of senior
Burren wining minor
From what I'm hearing the Down seniors are going very well at present
Clownjim how many outsiders on that Burren team today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 01, 2017, 08:24:32 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 01, 2017, 06:42:09 PM
Well done Burren great win
I think this is going to be a great year for Down football
Kilcoo in Final of senior
Burren wining minor
From what I'm hearing the Down seniors are going very well at present
Clownjim how many outsiders on that Burren team today?
I had asked this earlier Smurfy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on January 01, 2017, 11:01:49 PM
Congratulations Burren!
Any word yet on a Down panel for the mckenna cup? How are we getting on in challenge games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 02, 2017, 01:12:17 PM
Quote from: downjim on January 01, 2017, 05:39:14 PM
When you need an Ulster title you can always rely on us.

Bredagh also won an Ulster title. Thats both minor titles in Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on January 02, 2017, 01:27:09 PM
Congrats to a very talented burren team! Some very talented young lads! They have won all before them with no other team coming close! Hopefully they can bring this pedigree on to the burren senior team!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 02, 2017, 02:37:46 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 02, 2017, 01:12:17 PM
Quote from: downjim on January 01, 2017, 05:39:14 PM
When you need an Ulster title you can always rely on us.

Bredagh also won an Ulster title. Thats both minor titles in Down
You've lost me here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on January 02, 2017, 02:52:08 PM
He's talking about ladies football!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 02, 2017, 03:00:43 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on January 02, 2017, 02:52:08 PM
He's talking about ladies football!
;D ;D  That's not for this Board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on January 03, 2017, 10:50:01 AM
Is Frank Dawson taking the reigns at Ballymartin? I had heard that he was and then heard that Ballymartin were still sounding out other potential managers. Can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on January 03, 2017, 02:55:45 PM
Have many clubs started back training yet? I have heard one or two teams are back slogging away! Does anyone have an up to date list of clubs and managers for the incoming season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on January 03, 2017, 06:08:17 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on January 03, 2017, 02:55:45 PM
Have many clubs started back training yet? I have heard one or two teams are back slogging away! Does anyone have an up to date list of clubs and managers for the incoming season?

CPN starting back tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 03, 2017, 08:10:40 PM
I would imagine all teams bar Kilcoo would be doing some sort of training, probably instead S and C. If they are not they may hurry up.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 04, 2017, 10:23:37 AM
 All other 8 counties have their McKenna Cup panels listed in the Irish News today but no Down panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 04, 2017, 10:35:51 AM
Does that surprise you Sam?
We are the last to let the supporters know what is going on
Surely will all the full time staff we should be on top of all this at this stage?
Maybe we don't want to show our hand?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 04, 2017, 10:55:55 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 04, 2017, 10:35:51 AM
Does that surprise you Sam?
We are the last to let the supporters know what is going on
Surely will all the full time staff we should be on top of all this at this stage?
Maybe we don't want to show our hand?
Lighten up smurfy,I wasn't looking for a witchhunt just would have liked to see who's about the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 04, 2017, 11:21:43 AM
Why bring it up on a discussion board then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 04, 2017, 12:43:45 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 04, 2017, 11:21:43 AM
Why bring it up on a discussion board then?
As I said lighten up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on January 04, 2017, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on January 02, 2017, 01:27:09 PM
Congrats to a very talented burren team! Some very talented young lads! They have won all before them with no other team coming close! Hopefully they can bring this pedigree on to the burren senior team!
Brilliant result for Burden Minors and great to see but not exactly true to say no one came close, Carryduff were very close to them this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 05, 2017, 05:13:56 PM
Good to see Club Down launching again in 2 weeks
Looks like a lot of work going into it
What happened the previous club Down
Ross at the helm to only good for Down football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on January 06, 2017, 01:30:25 PM
The previous Club Down appeared to fall by the wayside when the £120 tickets were brought in by the county board. Club Down membership was £10 per month with no incentives other than a chance to buy a championship ticket whereas the £120 tickets were £10 per month with the chance of winning big prizes so a lot of people chose the ticket. There does seem to be a big press launch night for the reprisal of Club Down and hopefully it will take off. It will be interesting to see how they sell it to the ordinary punter or maybe they are going to target the business community more. Either way, my issue with the whole thing is on how money is spent. Is it just for team expenses or at some stage is someone going to say right lets get the ball rolling on a permanent base, which we own, and can cater for all of our teams. The amount of money we have fired at the Abbey, St Colmans and Downpatrick on an annual basis is crazy. Yes it will take time to buy, build and develop a purpose built facility but for the future of our county's players and finances can we not earmark monies now to start this process. Just my opinion btw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 06, 2017, 02:17:43 PM
DOWN PANEL
(subject to change)
G McMahon (Warrenpoint), M Cunningham (Castlewellan), P Turley (RGU, Downpatrick), D O'Hagan (Clonduff), R McAleenan (Warrenpoint), G McGovern (Burren), G Collins (RGU, Downpatrick), B McArdle (Annaclone), C McGovern (Burren), A Carr (Clonduff), D McKibbin (Bryansford), C Mooney (Rostrevor), D Turley (Cnoc na Mí), J Flynn (Loughinisland), J Murphy (Ballyholland), S Millar (Glenn), A Davidson (Bredagh), N Donnelly (Tullylish), P O'Hagan (Clonduff), C Francis (Bredagh), S Dornan (Castlewellan), B O'Hagan (Clonduff), C Harrison (Glasdrumman), D Hughes (Bredagh), R Mallon (Warrenpoint), C Magee (Mayobridge)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cb66 on January 06, 2017, 02:22:15 PM
Good to see a few new faces involved. Looking forward to seeing how big Cathal Magee gets on. Any idea if many Down boys involved with the universities?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 06, 2017, 02:55:28 PM
Quote from: Cb66 on January 06, 2017, 02:22:15 PM
Good to see a few new faces involved. Looking forward to seeing how big Cathal Magee gets on. Any idea if many Down boys involved with the universities?

Queens: John O'Hare, Donal McKeever, Ciaran McCartan, Anthony Doherty, Aaron Morgan, Marty Clarke, Aaron Clements, Aiden Fegan, Ciaran Harney, Conor McGrady

UUJ: Damien McKeown, Niall Madine, Sean McGonigle and Kory Golgan.

That's what's printed in the Irish News anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 06, 2017, 05:14:52 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on January 06, 2017, 02:55:28 PM
Quote from: Cb66 on January 06, 2017, 02:22:15 PM
Good to see a few new faces involved. Looking forward to seeing how big Cathal Magee gets on. Any idea if many Down boys involved with the universities?

Queens: John O'Hare, Donal McKeever, Ciaran McCartan, Anthony Doherty, Aaron Morgan, Marty Clarke, Aaron Clements, Aiden Fegan, Ciaran Harney, Conor McGrady

UUJ: Damien McKeown, Niall Madine, Sean McGonigle and Kory Golgan.

That's what's printed in the Irish News anyway.
Do St Marys players not count? ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on January 06, 2017, 06:21:12 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 06, 2017, 05:14:52 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on January 06, 2017, 02:55:28 PM
Quote from: Cb66 on January 06, 2017, 02:22:15 PM
Good to see a few new faces involved. Looking forward to seeing how big Cathal Magee gets on. Any idea if many Down boys involved with the universities?

Queens: John O'Hare, Donal McKeever, Ciaran McCartan, Anthony Doherty, Aaron Morgan, Marty Clarke, Aaron Clements, Aiden Fegan, Ciaran Harney, Conor McGrady

UUJ: Damien McKeown, Niall Madine, Sean McGonigle and Kory Golgan.

That's what's printed in the Irish News anyway.
Do St Marys players not count? ;D
Fecking teachers moaning again !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 06, 2017, 07:48:36 PM
Quote from: Samforever on January 06, 2017, 06:21:12 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 06, 2017, 05:14:52 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on January 06, 2017, 02:55:28 PM
Quote from: Cb66 on January 06, 2017, 02:22:15 PM
Good to see a few new faces involved. Looking forward to seeing how big Cathal Magee gets on. Any idea if many Down boys involved with the universities?

Queens: John O'Hare, Donal McKeever, Ciaran McCartan, Anthony Doherty, Aaron Morgan, Marty Clarke, Aaron Clements, Aiden Fegan, Ciaran Harney, Conor McGrady

UUJ: Damien McKeown, Niall Madine, Sean McGonigle and Kory Golgan.

That's what's printed in the Irish News anyway.
Do St Marys players not count? ;D
Fecking teachers moaning again !

Irish News doesn't think them worth a mention anyway!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 06, 2017, 08:57:26 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 06, 2017, 05:14:52 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on January 06, 2017, 02:55:28 PM
Quote from: Cb66 on January 06, 2017, 02:22:15 PM
Good to see a few new faces involved. Looking forward to seeing how big Cathal Magee gets on. Any idea if many Down boys involved with the universities?

Queens: John O'Hare, Donal McKeever, Ciaran McCartan, Anthony Doherty, Aaron Morgan, Marty Clarke, Aaron Clements, Aiden Fegan, Ciaran Harney, Conor McGrady

UUJ: Damien McKeown, Niall Madine, Sean McGonigle and Kory Golgan.

That's what's printed in the Irish News anyway.
Do St Marys players not count? ;D

Who?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 07, 2017, 12:06:12 AM
According to the county board's twitter, this is the team for Sunday.

1 Michael Cunningham 2 Ryan McAleenan 3 Gearard McGovern 4 Darren O'Hagan 5 David McKibbin 6 Conaill McGovern 7 Caolan Mooney 8 Aidan Carr 9 Jonathan Flynn 10 Joe Murphy 11 Cathal Magee 12 Shay Millar 13 Alan Davidson 14 Barry O'Hagan 15 Danny Savage 16 Gary McMahon 17 Peter Turley 18 Niall Donnelly 19 Conor Maginn 20 Gerard Collins 21 Brendan McArdle 22 Ryan Mallon 23 Pat Havern 24 Damien Turley.

There has been no announcement about a captain but Darren O'Hagan would be a worthy contender. It's good to see some new faces among the familiar names, and there will no doubt be more experimentation in the Derry game. Those missing from the extended squad, apart from established players taking a break or involved with colleges, seem to include Mark Reid, Stephen Kane, Luke Howard, Henry Brown, Mark McKay, Arthur McConville and Packie Downey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on January 08, 2017, 03:22:48 PM
Downpatrick was a terrible choice of venue for a January game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 08, 2017, 03:25:12 PM
Quote from: John Martin on January 08, 2017, 03:22:48 PM
Downpatrick was a terrible choice of venue for a January game.

Grass banks and and exposed location.

County board will no doubt say they have fulfil a certain number of fixtures in their nominated second ground. Sorry lads, find another second ground if it's for winter fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 08, 2017, 03:55:18 PM
Quote from: Cb66 on January 06, 2017, 02:22:15 PM
Good to see a few new faces involved. Looking forward to seeing how big Cathal Magee gets on. Any idea if many Down boys involved with the universities?

He got man of the match according to Facebook.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on January 08, 2017, 04:22:50 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 08, 2017, 03:25:12 PM
Quote from: John Martin on January 08, 2017, 03:22:48 PM
Downpatrick was a terrible choice of venue for a January game.

Grass banks and and exposed location.

County board will no doubt say they have fulfil a certain number of fixtures in their nominated second ground. Sorry lads, find another second ground if it's for winter fixtures.

Football wasnt good to watch but great to have a game in East Down for a change
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 08, 2017, 04:30:13 PM
Good to get the season off to a winning start even if the standard was very poor
Queens are a shocking outfit to say the least

The less said about the venue the better
Feet soaked walking up the bank it was like a bog
Could not get down to the fence as the bank is about a 20ft drop
Had to walk past the main entrance about another 500 yards to use an entrance I never used before going to Downpatrick
Not a bad day
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ulsterman09 on January 08, 2017, 05:32:36 PM
Great to have football back in east down for once. I would say Newcastle would be a worthy place for a second county ground although the surface is not too great. Not a great game by any stretch of the imagination, lot of handling errors, bad decisions taken etc by both sides. Davison looked very good and was my  Motm. I have been an avid follower of down right throughout the years and the biggest fan our counties club football, but i can not understand why the best players are not being picked. Same old same old small similar players we always have. Doesn't say a lot when we have around 3/4 of last years championship team out and we are struggling to beat a poor queens outfit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 08, 2017, 05:58:12 PM
Aside from Martin Clarke who are the best players not being picked who have made themselves available?

I'm no fan of the current management setup but not sure if there many glaring omissions from the squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 08, 2017, 06:06:28 PM
Looks like they are all on the squad
4 kilcoo lads to come back into the starting team along with Donal O Hare,Kevin McKernan,Madine and Mark Poland for the Fermanagh game?

Anyone else to come in for that game that would likely start?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 08, 2017, 08:06:23 PM
No one would expect too much from a McKenna Cup opener against a college side and it was a pretty flat display from Down against limited opposition. Magee took a couple of decent long range points, which got him the man of the match award, and he certainly has the size and strength required, but it remains to be seen if he has the pace for this level. Davidson was probably the best player on the pitch, looking sharp and fast throughout, although he will need to be tested against better defences. The rest of our forward line was ordinary, and Murphy only lasted just over ten minutes before he got another black card.

Flynn and Carr worked hard at midfield without really dominating, while our defence was reasonable, apart from Mooney, who made no impact. Cunningham's kick outs were mixed but he made a brilliant save late on to prevent Queen's going in front.

For Queen's, Clarke produced the odd nice touch but sadly it appears unlikely that his fitness will allow a return to county football. McKeever has plenty of potential, and tucked away a fine goal, while Francis was probably the pick of the rest of the Down students.

We can hopefully expect an improvement against Derry next week, when a win would actually take us close to a semi final place for the first time in several years.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 08, 2017, 11:24:57 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 08, 2017, 08:06:23 PM
No one would expect too much from a McKenna Cup opener against a college side and it was a pretty flat display from Down against limited opposition. Magee took a couple of decent long range points, which got him the man of the match award, and he certainly has the size and strength required, but it remains to be seen if he has the pace for this level. Davidson was probably the best player on the pitch, looking sharp and fast throughout, although he will need to be tested against better defences. The rest of our forward line was ordinary, and Murphy only lasted just over ten minutes before he got another black card.

Flynn and Carr worked hard at midfield without really dominating, while our defence was reasonable, apart from Mooney, who made no impact. Cunningham's kick outs were mixed but he made a brilliant save late on to prevent Queen's going in front.

For Queen's, Clarke produced the odd nice touch but sadly it appears unlikely that his fitness will allow a return to county football. McKeever has plenty of potential, and tucked away a fine goal, while Francis was probably the pick of the rest of the Down students.

We can hopefully expect an improvement against Derry next week, when a win would actually take us close to a semi final place for the first time in several years.

Was it not Warrenpoint's Gary McMahon in nets that made the save?
Nice to get the win with what was largely an experimental side and formation.
Ryan McAleenan, Shay Millar, Cathal Magee, Barry O'Hagan and Alan Davidson all acquitted themselves well.
For me, Barry O'Hagan is going to become the focal point for our attack in the league. A fine footballer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cb66 on January 09, 2017, 09:36:05 AM
Wasn't a great spectacle but have to take it into context that it was our first 'competitive' game of the year and it's early January. Davidson and Magee both did well and took their chance. Barry O'Hagen also looked sharp. Also though McAleenan had a decent game at corner back. McKeever looked good for Queens but none of their other Down players stood out. Decent win to build on before the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 09, 2017, 09:48:19 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 08, 2017, 03:25:12 PM
Quote from: John Martin on January 08, 2017, 03:22:48 PM
Downpatrick was a terrible choice of venue for a January game.

Grass banks and and exposed location.

County board will no doubt say they have fulfil a certain number of fixtures in their nominated second ground. Sorry lads, find another second ground if it's for winter fixtures.
Sure why don't we have the 2nd ground up the hill in Ballyholland? Haven't been to Downpatrick since we played them a few years ago in the League but it's January and I thought the
ground,the parking,etc were grand except some got their feet wet. OMG.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 09, 2017, 10:37:03 AM
Down Fanatic is correct, as Cunningham was named to start but McMahon obviously must have replaced him at a late stage. Barry O'Hagan had a pretty frustrating day as he used his pace to win every ball sent towards him but could not find any space in possession. Savage struggled even more noticeably, although both of them should improve on firmer pitches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 09, 2017, 10:57:14 AM
Any word on when the league starts?? Hearing mumblings of 24th March
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ulsterman09 on January 09, 2017, 08:48:20 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 08, 2017, 06:06:28 PM
Looks like they are all on the squad
4 kilcoo lads to come back into the starting team along with Donal O Hare,Kevin McKernan,Madine and Mark Poland for the Fermanagh game?

Anyone else to come in for that game that would likely start?

I would like to think the likes of Conor Poland, Niall McParland, Michael Ireland, Daniel Morgan, Robbie White would all be worth there go on the county Panel, especially with these players size and relatively all good footballers. Probably a good way of identifing the best talent, go though every div 1-2 clubs best 3 players (who aren't on the county already/retired from it and see what names pop up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 09, 2017, 09:08:10 PM
Quote from: Ulsterman09 on January 09, 2017, 08:48:20 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 08, 2017, 06:06:28 PM
Looks like they are all on the squad
4 kilcoo lads to come back into the starting team along with Donal O Hare,Kevin McKernan,Madine and Mark Poland for the Fermanagh game?

Anyone else to come in for that game that would likely start?

I would like to think the likes of Conor Poland, Niall McParland, Michael Ireland, Daniel Morgan, Robbie White would all be worth there go on the county Panel, especially with these players size and relatively all good footballers. Probably a good way of identifing the best talent, go though every div 1-2 clubs best 3 players (who aren't on the county already/retired from it and see what names pop up
"Names pop up"?? We're into January and the season is up and running with Trials all finished.Catch a grip.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on January 09, 2017, 09:22:05 PM
And who decides who the three best players are?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 12, 2017, 07:56:00 AM
 I am fed up reading tripe from Benny Coulter.Bad enough weekly in the Democrat but he now seeems to be in the Irish News a lot saying what Down needs.    Down really needs him to walk away and let the current players at it without his frequent words of wisdom.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 12, 2017, 08:35:41 AM
I enjoyed his recent interview with Kevin Cassidy before Christmas in The Gaelic Life.
Insightful and thought-provoking to say the least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 12, 2017, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on January 12, 2017, 08:35:41 AM
I enjoyed his recent interview with Kevin Cassidy before Christmas in The Gaelic Life.
Insightful and thought-provoking to say the least.
maybe an exception alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on January 12, 2017, 11:49:40 AM
Quote from: SamFever on January 12, 2017, 07:56:00 AM
I am fed up reading tripe from Benny Coulter.Bad enough weekly in the Democrat but he now seeems to be in the Irish News a lot saying what Down needs.    Down really needs him to walk away and let the current players at it without his frequent words of wisdom.

I dont think you are being very fair on Benny. He is a passionate Down man who has a platform to air his views and why shouldnt he? As for tripe....dunno about that...his point this week about us having the best fixture set up in the country was a very good one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 12, 2017, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on January 12, 2017, 11:49:40 AM
Quote from: SamFever on January 12, 2017, 07:56:00 AM
I am fed up reading tripe from Benny Coulter.Bad enough weekly in the Democrat but he now seeems to be in the Irish News a lot saying what Down needs.    Down really needs him to walk away and let the current players at it without his frequent words of wisdom.

I dont think you are being very fair on Benny. He is a passionate Down man who has a platform to air his views and why shouldnt he? As for tripe....dunno about that...his point this week about us having the best fixture set up in the country was a very good one.

Although I don't disagree with allowing a former player a platform, I think that saying we should be expecting an Ulster title this year is pretty ridiculous after not winning a single match in 2016. I'm hoping for the best but expecting the worst.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on January 13, 2017, 12:54:55 PM
from the GAELIC LIFE
Kilcoo and Castlewellan must replay LAST YEARS league final

KILCOO and Castlewellan are set to replay last season's controversial league final.

Gaelic Life understands that a meeting took place last night involving GAA officials, Down County Board officials and representatives from the two clubs.

It was decided that the first league meeting between the two teams in 2017 will now double up as the final, with two points also on offer. The match is expected to be played at Pairc Esler with the teams flipping a coin to decide who will have been deemed to have had home advantage for the fixture.

Castlewellan were awarded the title after Kilcoo pulled out of the league final in November, which was scheduled to take place a few days after their Ulster Club meeting with Glenswilly.

It means the unusual situation that Castlewellan will now play a league final under without the manager who got them there – John 'Shorty' Trainor. Mark Doran, part of the coaching team last season, is now over the Town.


Now that is complete stupid i think, what happens if the game ends in a DRAW ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 13, 2017, 01:16:21 PM
Quote from: Predictor on January 13, 2017, 12:54:55 PM
from the GAELIC LIFE
Kilcoo and Castlewellan must replay LAST YEARS league final

KILCOO and Castlewellan are set to replay last season’s controversial league final.

Gaelic Life understands that a meeting took place last night involving GAA officials, Down County Board officials and representatives from the two clubs.

It was decided that the first league meeting between the two teams in 2017 will now double up as the final, with two points also on offer. The match is expected to be played at Pairc Esler with the teams flipping a coin to decide who will have been deemed to have had home advantage for the fixture.

Castlewellan were awarded the title after Kilcoo pulled out of the league final in November, which was scheduled to take place a few days after their Ulster Club meeting with Glenswilly.

It means the unusual situation that Castlewellan will now play a league final under without the manager who got them there – John ‘Shorty’ Trainor. Mark Doran, part of the coaching team last season, is now over the Town.


Now that is complete stupid i think, what happens if the game ends in a DRAW ??

And some people think we have the best fixture setup in the country !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on January 13, 2017, 01:18:37 PM
Like all good Neighbours, if its a draw, they'll likely share it, 6 months each :) :) :) :) :)

Either way its tarnished now and the county board have made a balls of it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on January 14, 2017, 10:08:32 PM
How do Loughanisland posters feel about this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on January 14, 2017, 11:34:13 PM
Quote from: EagleLord on January 14, 2017, 10:08:32 PM
How do Loughanisland posters feel about this?

As a kilcoo supporter I'm feeling great about the decision, however, I can only sympathise with Loughinisland supporters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 15, 2017, 10:18:12 AM
I also believe Ballymartin didn't field for a game and the game went to the other team?
Any information on what the plans are for the big launch on Friday night?Exciting times ahead.Some good videos for promotion of it
Down by 2 today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 15, 2017, 11:30:48 AM
Down team to play Derry;

Michael Cunningham
Ryan McAleenan
Gearard McGovern
Darren O'Hagan
David McKibbin
Conaill McGovern
Caolan Mooney
Aidan Carr
Jonathan Flynn
Shay Millar
Cathal Magee
Joe Murphy
Alan Davidson
Barry O'Hagan
Pat Havern
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 15, 2017, 11:38:04 AM
If you don't agree with a county board decision, appeal it. The GAA has went mad. Some clubs have no respect for rules!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on January 15, 2017, 12:47:30 PM
If we or any club feel we have been done an injustice then we or they have every right to appeal a decision. The fact it was overturned shows we had every merit to go down this route.

Some clubs may have no respect for the rules, however, our club fully respects and and abides by the rules. It is hard to show respect to our County Board after some of the abysmal decisions they have made not only to our own club due to the league final debacle, but other clubs such as Liatroim and the treatment of their minors due to the scheduling of the championship final.

What clubs have no respect for the rules as you say?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 15, 2017, 03:57:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 15, 2017, 10:18:12 AM
I also believe Ballymartin didn't field for a game and the game went to the other team?
Any information on what the plans are for the big launch on Friday night?Exciting times ahead.Some good videos for promotion of it
Down by 2 today
Close prediction smurfy.Down won 15-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 15, 2017, 05:17:57 PM
Bit of a relief to get over the line for Eamon Burns' first win over a county team. Entertaining game in perfect conditions, well refereed and some encouraging Down performances. Cunningham's kick-outs were generally good and great to see him back in a Down shirt. McGoverns, McAleenan, Benny McArdle and particularly our new captain Darren O'Hagan were strong in defence. Two honest midfielders in Mr Reliable Pete Turley and Johnny Flynn. Joe Murphy and the twin strike force of Barry O'Hagan and Davidson were excellent- although the latter (0-9- 0-7 from frees including 4 from 45m or more!) got MoM , I thought Conor Maginn was outstanding. Some nice scores- especially Barry's first two and Mooney's late strike - got us the points but the best addition to the squad is the presence of Cathal Murray. Mark Lynch has some pair of togs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 15, 2017, 07:22:02 PM
Just goes to show what different people think.  I thought Maginn was one of the worst players on the pitch.  Needed a ball of his own and gave the ball away numerous times.  Thought the half forward line in general were quite poor.  Darren O Hagan was in a league of his own for Down IMO.

Murray is an interesting addition though, might add a bit of fire in their bellies but never seen him as a tactical genius.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 15, 2017, 07:31:30 PM
Decent win for Down today.Good performances from o hagen Davidson mcaleenan mcardle  but our new capt Darren o H was outstanding.He was everywhere.Driving our team forward from half back.Agree with whitegoodman maginn was our worst player today going by his high standards.Kicked easy ball straight into the Derry sweeper 4 times and didbt pick up many break balls.When Jerome J J J and Donal O H come back which of the inside forwards do we drop?Davidson was good with frees today.Good solid win is that is qualified?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 15, 2017, 09:08:54 PM
We have certainly not qualified Smurfy, as home wins for Derry against Queen's and Armagh against us in the last round of fixtures will leave three teams level on four points, with the section to be decided by scoring averages.

It was a tremendous relief to get an intercounty success today, our first in a mere 21 months, and the management and squad deserve credit for grinding out a result against opponents who are roughly at the same level as us if not slightly ahead.

We were almost unrecognisable from the outfit which stumbled from one collapse to another last year, and we also managed to improve on the QUB game without ever being entirely convincing.

Darren O'Hagan as our new captain was outstanding and the rest of the defence was pretty reasonable, with Cunningham's kick-outs, apart from a couple of problems late on, generally effective.

Our midfield put in a decent shift, and  it is surprising to read criticisms of  Maginn further forward. He certainly misplaced a couple of passes but he otherwise ran the show and gained more possessions that anyone else. Derry saw what was happening and sent on a sub who was plainly instructed to stop his runs by any possible means.

Barry O'Hagan had a blistering first minute, with two brilliant points, and will be far better when his passing improves, while Davidson exudes confidence and is probably our best free taker since Marty Clarke.

It was particularly encouraging to see Mooney looking focused and fit when he appeared, and his point showed there is a touch of class about him when properly directed.

We have a long way to go but getting an extra McKenna game for the first time in four or five seasons would send us into the league with at least some momentum behind us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 16, 2017, 08:38:12 AM
 Nice to get a win especially when we are missing so many.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on January 16, 2017, 08:41:52 AM
I'm astounded by the decision to play the 2016 league final in 2017, and I don't care it doubles up as a league match, once again the ccc under the leadership of Devaney has shown how inept it is , I wonder what threats were issued by Kilcoo, I have nothing against Kilcoo but it seems they flexed a few muscles to get there own way, I wonder who gets the gate money, so much for rules, clubs have been assured this won't happen in 2017, time will tell,rules have now been set up AGAIN ,I am just angry how we were treated in similar circumstances!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 16, 2017, 03:42:38 PM
What do we reckon about how teams will fair when it comes to the league? Favourites for promotion/relegation??

Division 1

Kilcoo   
Burren   
Castlewellan   
Mayobridge   
Bryansford   
Ballyholland   
Clonduff   
Glenn John Martins GFC   
Cumann Pheadair Naofa   
Longstone   
An Riocht   
RGU Downpatrick


Division 2

Saval   
Ballymartin   
Loughinisland   
Rostrevor   
Annaclone   
Darragh Cross   
Bredagh   
St John's Drumnaquoile   
Carryduff   
Liatroim   
Newry Shamrocks   
St Colman's Drumaness   


Division 3

Clann na Banna   
Tullylish
St John Bosco GAC   
Drumgath   
Atticall   
Saul   
Glasdrumman   
Teconnaught   
Dundrum
St Paul's


Division 4

Dromara   
Kilclief Ben Dearg GAC   
Ardglass
Bright
Mitchels
St Michael's GAC, Magheralin
Aughlisnafin
Aghaderg
Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 16, 2017, 05:09:55 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 16, 2017, 03:42:38 PM
What do we reckon about how teams will fair when it comes to the league? Favourites for promotion/relegation??

Division 1


Can anyone fill in the blanks
kilcoo mcivor
Burren   o Rourke
Castlewellan   Doran
Mayobridge   Poland
Bryansford   Burns
Ballyholland   poacher
Clonduff   Carr
Glenn John Martins GFC   McCoy
Cumann Pheadair Naofa   mcaleenan
Longstone   ??
An Riocht   mcveigh
RGU Downpatrick Deegans


Division 2

Saval   Ward
Ballymartin   
Loughinisland   mason
Rostrevor   Mulholland
Annaclone   lynch
Darragh Cross   
Bredagh   Gormley
St John's Drumnaquoile   corrigan
Carryduff   
Liatroim   Farrell
Newry Shamrocks   Hughes
St Colman's Drumaness   


Division 3

Clann na Banna   ???
Tullylish  Morgan
St John Bosco GAC   Quinn
Drumgath   sexton
Atticall   
Saul   
Glasdrumman   
Teconnaught   
Dundrum
St Paul's


Division 4

Dromara   
Kilclief Ben Dearg GAC   
Ardglass
Bright
Mitchels
St Michael's GAC, Magheralin
Aughlisnafin
Aghaderg
Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 18, 2017, 12:20:21 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 16, 2017, 03:42:38 PM
What do we reckon about how teams will fair when it comes to the league? Favourites for promotion/relegation??

My predictions for the year, think Rostrevor will be too strong for Div 2 but it's as competitive a Division 2 as I've seen in years. Fancy them to win Intermediate Championship too with An Riocht going down from Division 1. Just think they're a couple of players short of competing with the better teams in that Division. Genuinely believe 4/5 teams are in with a chance of Senior Championship and actually fancy Burren to turn the table on Kilcoo this year.
Hoping for a season that has plenty of excitement and less drama regarding play offs for promotions, leagues and relegations...Couldn't see it though  :P

Division 1

Kilcoo   
Burren   
Castlewellan   
Mayobridge
Cumann Pheadair Naofa   
Bryansford      
Clonduff   
Ballyholland
Downpatrick
Glenn      
Longstone
An Riocht


Division 2
      
Rostrevor   
Ballymartin
Annaclone
Saval
Loughinisland   
Darragh Cross   
Bredagh   
St John's Drumnaquoile   
Carryduff   
Liatroim   
Newry Shamrocks   
St Colman's Drumaness   


Division 3

Clann na Banna   
Tullylish      
Atticall   
Saul   
Bosco
Drumgath
Glasdrumman   
Teconnaught   
Dundrum
St Paul's


Division 4

Dromara   
Kilclief Ben Dearg GAC   
Ardglass
Bright
Mitchels
St Michael's GAC, Magheralin
Aughlisnafin
Aghaderg
Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on January 18, 2017, 02:02:49 PM
Anyone know if there's any coverage of tonight's game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 18, 2017, 08:30:06 PM
22 mins Armagh 0.07 Down 0.00
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 18, 2017, 08:42:59 PM
 HT and we are 0-7 to 0-3 behind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 18, 2017, 09:45:02 PM
FT Armagh 1-15 Down 2-8. We obviously got off to a poor start, but twice pulled it back to a point with goals from captain fantastic Darren O'Hagan and our late developer Alan Davidson. It sounds like a decent display although we seem to be out of the competition on scoring average.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 18, 2017, 10:43:07 PM
Decent display getting beat by a division 3 team with only 3 players in heard tell off starting for them.On the plus side mooney is starting to look the part
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 18, 2017, 11:18:54 PM
There were two experimental sides out there Smurfy and the deferred transmission showed that Down played with a noticeable degree of spirit after an admittedly poor start. An extra game would have been good but we will go into the crucial Fermanagh match with at least some momentum behind us at last.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 18, 2017, 11:23:47 PM
Not too many Down supporters in Armagh tonight. "Late developer?"? The lad is doing much better than our so called developed players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 18, 2017, 11:24:51 PM
Yeah the extra game would have been ideal before Fermanagh
Team for Fermanagh mourne?
Cunningham
McAleenan
McGovern
O Hagan
McArdle
McGovern
Mooney
McKernan
Flynn
Devlin
Poland
Johnstone
Davidson
O hagan
Johnstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 19, 2017, 08:42:48 AM
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Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 18, 2017, 11:24:51 PM
Yeah the extra game would have been ideal before Fermanagh
Team for Fermanagh mourne?
Cunningham
McAleenan
McGovern
O Hagan
McArdle
McGovern
Mooney
McKernan
Flynn
Devlin
Poland
Johnstone
Davidson
O hagan
Johnstone
Maybe Darragh O'Hanlon could come into the mix as he was warming up last night?How far away from clearing up his injury is Donal O'Hare? Any students to come back into the fold?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 19, 2017, 10:19:57 AM
SamFever, Davidson has become a considerable asset to Down both from open play and frees. He is plainly a late developer because he did not make his county debut at any level until the age of 27 and has played less than 50 club games in his adult career. If you do not like that description, by all means offer an alternative.

Smurfy's team for Fermanagh is a strong one but it must be unlikely that Jerome Johnstone will be straight in from the start after a three month injury and Poland is also short on match practice. McKernan turned out for St Mary's last night, and will presumably be involved somewhere but has never looked particularly comfortable at midfield for us, and Turley is the main option there. It would be a surprise if O'Hanlon and Murphy do not make the cut and there is a case for moving McArdle to mark the main Fermanagh threat, Corrigan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 19, 2017, 01:28:47 PM
I think Jerome is back training should be at least able to make the bench for the Fermanagh game.  Id go with

Cunningham
McAleenan
G McGovern
O Hanlon
O Hagan
Turley
McArdle
McKernan
Flynn
C McGovern
Devlin
R Johnston
Davidson
Madine
O Hagan

Leaving Jerome, O Hare and Mooney as potential impact players from the bench.  Looks a stronger team than what was out last year but midfield still looks a weak link.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 19, 2017, 05:00:50 PM
Madine seems to have impressed for UU during the McKenna Cup WGM - is he going to be invited back to the county squad for the league ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 19, 2017, 05:07:08 PM
Looks a strong team whitegoodman
Also with great options coming off the bench
Burns has played Connal McGovern at 6 dropping back so I can't see him moving him from that position.
Great options this year so hopefully they can produce the goods
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 19, 2017, 06:15:37 PM
I thought I heard somewhere that Madine is back in the squad but I could be wrong.  Would be stupid not to include him given his physical presence and form if he is committed to seeing out the season.

You are probably right on McGovern but he isn't a CHB and a natural half forward imo.  There are definitely more options in the forward line but there are serious problems in midfield still, part of the reason why I would have tall players who can field well at wing forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnny McCumiskey on January 19, 2017, 10:34:09 PM
Good luck To Mayobridge under 21 on Saturday , Brendan Grant has done a good job with this group of players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 20, 2017, 11:40:09 AM
Anyone going to the Down Rising tonight?
Should be a great night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on January 20, 2017, 12:15:25 PM
Joe Murphy will be starting the Fermangh game if fit, played all 3 games in the Mckenna so doubt Burns will drop him for the 1st league game.

Doubt Poland will be much of starter this year, can maybe see him coming off the bench but I'd say hes probably there for his experience and to help bring the younger fellas on. Alan Davidson will be Down's main scoring threat this year, fittest man on the panel, always wants the ball and will be the main free taker. His free taking so far has be excellent, Davidson taking the frees for the left, PD taking the frees from the right.

In my opinion I don't think Donal O'Hare will be getting much game time this year,  apart from his free taking, doesn't really give us much more than other players in that forward line. Would have Jerome starting ahead of him every day of the week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointman2 on January 20, 2017, 03:43:49 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 19, 2017, 01:28:47 PM
I think Jerome is back training should be at least able to make the bench for the Fermanagh game.  Id go with

Cunningham
McAleenan
G McGovern
O Hanlon
O Hagan
Turley
McArdle
McKernan
Flynn
C McGovern
Devlin
R Johnston
Davidson
Madine
O Hagan

Leaving Jerome, O Hare and Mooney as potential impact players from the bench.  Looks a stronger team than what was out last year but midfield still looks a weak link.

I think A Carr, Mooney and Joe Murphy will all start - probably in place of Madine, McAleenan and Devlin (but not in those positions)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 21, 2017, 07:54:41 AM
It was a bit of a damp squib in the canal court last night at the raising
All the same faces as before were rolled out
Nothing new from previous launches
It was as if school children set it up
A very poor crowd in attendance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 21, 2017, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 21, 2017, 07:54:41 AM
It was a bit of a damp squib in the canal court last night at the raising
All the same faces as before were rolled out
Nothing new from previous launches
It was as if school children set it up
A very poor crowd in attendance
Is this the 3rd time they've rolled this out now. I  subscribed for a while but pulled it as it was a waste of my money. I didn't see any progress. Half arsed as usual bt Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on January 21, 2017, 10:38:28 PM
I was part of the original Club Down, paid my dues over 3 years got a dinner in slieve , wasn't concerned until I seen past players taking advantage , they paid for nothing , weren't members and wanted everything,I know of one member who raised 70k and was treated with contempt, doesn't surprise me there was a poor turn out .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 21, 2017, 10:43:33 PM
Oilean what do you mean past players taking advantage?In what respect?
Club down was flying 3 years ago when that man McGreevy was chairman?Well I think it was club down I could be wrong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on January 22, 2017, 12:39:15 AM
Forget this Club Down/ Mourne Academy nonsense until we stop paying out £120K a year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 22, 2017, 08:29:01 AM
Quote from: The Raven on January 22, 2017, 12:39:15 AM
Forget this Club Down/ Mourne Academy nonsense until we stop paying out £120K a year
That's exactly why we need CD to work .Too much wine on board there Raven.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 23, 2017, 09:44:09 AM
Just curious at how exactly we are in Debt? We don't have our own County facilities the likes of Tyrone do, some club grounds aren't as half as good as other county club grounds are (Fermanagh, Armagh, Tyrone, Derry)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 23, 2017, 10:45:40 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on January 23, 2017, 10:39:33 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 23, 2017, 09:44:09 AM
Just curious at how exactly we are in Debt? We don't have our own County facilities the likes of Tyrone do, some club grounds aren't as half as good as other county club grounds are (Fermanagh, Armagh, Tyrone, Derry)
What planet have you been living on if you don't know how and why we are in debt?
Earth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on January 23, 2017, 11:50:57 AM
Why would you assume that everyone is in the know about the financial f'up?
The lad just asked a question.
Wasn't like it happened last year or year before.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on January 23, 2017, 03:55:01 PM
Right.

I don't consider myself in the loop enough to know the ins and outs but basically it went something like this.
Down were offered a load for st Patrick's park. Were greedy holding out for more and it fell through.
Meanwhile bought a load of land which was basically useless. Market crashed. Had to sell it on. Lost a load of money. Down owe Croke who bailed us out. So we are supposed to fund academies etc while other money goes to paying the debt.

That's what I think happened. hope that answers your question.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on January 23, 2017, 03:56:15 PM
Any word on a confirmed calendar and fixtures yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 23, 2017, 05:31:04 PM
Why did it cost £600000 to get out of the deal?
Who made the deal in the first place?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointman2 on January 23, 2017, 05:43:57 PM
Some business heads - buying 'replacement' lands before they had secured completion of the sale of the land that they did own!

Interesting to know how many of those involved in those decisions are still part of or connected to or used by the County Board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointman2 on January 23, 2017, 05:51:44 PM
A short version would suffice!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on January 23, 2017, 06:45:58 PM
Quote from: pointman2 on January 23, 2017, 05:43:57 PM
Some business heads - buying 'replacement' lands before they had secured completion of the sale of the land that they did own!

Interesting to know how many of those involved in those decisions are still part of or connected to or used by the County Board.


Definately still some involved (including executive). Why do the clubs nver vote to remove these people?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 23, 2017, 08:47:51 PM
For those of us not in the know where has the rest of th debt come from that has crippled us to the extend that county board are struggling to write a cheque?

Is it the new stand? If so why build it if they couldn't afford to?  I don't think its the cost of the senior team so I'm struggling to see where all this debt has come from.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 23, 2017, 08:54:33 PM
i was surprised to read in the irish news on saturday that niall madine hadnt been asked to join the down panel. if you could keep him fit and committed and going by the article it seems that he wants to play for down then surely he would be an asset to the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 23, 2017, 09:15:34 PM
Yes disappointed to read that, would be a strange one if they don't ask him back if he is prepared to commit to the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on January 23, 2017, 09:16:57 PM
Major problem Co Board have at the minute is that the loan from Croke Park is in € yet majority of their income is in £. I heard that they have to pay €10,000 a month to Croke Park and that the poor value of £ is crippling them at the minute. I think they have to pay this until 2028/29 which is concerning for the immediate future of the County sides if we are putting the current slump down to a lack of finances/ centre of excellence
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on January 23, 2017, 09:34:16 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 23, 2017, 09:15:34 PM
Yes disappointed to read that, would be a strange one if they don't ask him back if he is prepared to commit to the season.
I hear Ryan Mallon has left the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: delgany on January 23, 2017, 11:34:26 PM
It's a pity Down Gaa weren't "in the know " with the RHI burners.  They could've cleared there account .......not in DUP however !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on January 24, 2017, 07:08:55 AM
You will never be able to get rid of any one at the top table while the current system of voting exists as was Bourne out when Seamus oHanlon stood against Devaney, the latter was up 17 votes plus his clubs 3 votes before it went to the floor ,therefore in reply to one question as to why certain individuals who headed up the Burrenbridge debacle are still at the top table and are representing our county at Ulster and national level.
It wasn't some business heads who decided to turn down a phenomenal amount of money for St Patrick's park and drive our county into a further 660 k of debt, it was individuals who were way out of their depth , they were full of good intentions but failed miserably.
Much has been said on the subject but in order to achieve success in the future we must learn from our mistakes in the past and it seems we haven't learned from our mistakes if some of the people who made these mistakes still sit at the top table.
One more item, there is a very important meeting on Thursday to discuss and implement changes to the league calendar for 2017 , interesting only two club representatives allowed with one vote per club!!
After Thursday this forum should be lively.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 24, 2017, 09:14:50 AM
Quote from: oileain blues on January 24, 2017, 07:08:55 AM
You will never be able to get rid of any one at the top table while the current system of voting exists as was Bourne out when Seamus oHanlon stood against Devaney, the latter was up 17 votes plus his clubs 3 votes before it went to the floor ,therefore in reply to one question as to why certain individuals who headed up the Burrenbridge debacle are still at the top table and are representing our county at Ulster and national level.
It wasn't some business heads who decided to turn down a phenomenal amount of money for St Patrick's park and drive our county into a further 660 k of debt, it was individuals who were way out of their depth , they were full of good intentions but failed miserably.
Much has been said on the subject but in order to achieve success in the future we must learn from our mistakes in the past and it seems we haven't learned from our mistakes if some of the people who made these mistakes still sit at the top table.
One more item, there is a very important meeting on Thursday to discuss and implement changes to the league calendar for 2017 , interesting only two club representatives allowed with one vote per club!!
After Thursday this forum should be lively.
Quote from: cut the crap on June 30, 2016, 10:22:05 PM
To all the nodding dogs , the puppets and the supporters of the Burrenbridge brigade, this is my suggestion of the way forward with our finances because if we can sort this subject out we maybe able to pay our bills on time and every time and propress the notion of a centre of excellence.
Firstly to take a step forward we have to realise where we are and why we got here.
When the Burrenbridge brigade decided to go of on a solo without the backing of the full county board and the support of Croke Park (this is key),they acted as if they were property moguls which they certainly werent and their inexperience in dealing with this type of deal ultimately lead us to losing 550k, coupled with the fact that 2 possibly 3 of them had failed in business, therefore in all probability they were never going to succeed, they were well intentioned but clueless .
But where you are now asking did the other 1million of debt come from, ah for that answer you would need a forensic accountant to examine the finances of Pairc Esler , i for one like many others paid a monthly amount for 5 yrs, no big deal but there were many who questioned where this money and the money of the club down then went, im not suggesting any skull duggery but more of mis management of resources.
So the men in charge suddenly needed a few bob to finish the job, in steps Croke Park and hey presto we get the job done, oh and Newry Shamrocks own the fecking thing, side issue.
Now back to Burrenbridge where we handed over a non refundable deposit of 425k ,and then threw125k in fees at it,back to Croke Park who knew nothing of what was going on and were not a bit pleased, so much so that we now pay 10k a month for the next 20yrs to Croke Park, but according to Sean og i mmean the executive we have a good deal, eh no we dont by my maths we will be paying 2.4miliion back how the f  k is that a good deal, our association made 56million profit  last year,so the answer is quite simple we as members ask for the loan to be interest free , we extend the term to 100yrs , paying 15k back a year not 120k , we can then begin to invest in our youth,and our training facilities and breathe a little.Now to succeed in a debt restructuring like this we need hard nosed business people skilled in the art of restructuring debt.
I know there are people reading this saying 100yrs catch yourself on but if we went to Croke park and told them this is it take it or leave, they cant kick us out, its either give us the money or accept the request , so there you have it.
This is from the board in June and is as good a description of what went wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 24, 2017, 09:43:42 AM
Can anyone who was there on Friday night in The Canal Court give the rest of us a brief synopsis of what went on, who spoke, what was discussed or proposed?

What is the sole purpose of this latest reincarnation? Is it to fund a centre of excellence, pay off existing debt, fund current teams ?
How will the new Club Down function alongside the existing Down GAA Club Draw for instance?
If people are already subscribed to the Club Draw do the powers-that-be realistically expect people to also subscribe to Club Down?
Was it not essentially the introduction of this draw which sounded the death knell for the previous Club Down, and what will be the big difference this time around?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mightymad on January 24, 2017, 11:33:48 AM
people can sit behind the screen all day while giving people abuse, its about time they come out and man up and stop hiding behind a computer screen all day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 24, 2017, 11:47:44 AM
2017 Managers

Division 1

Kilcoo - Paul McIver   
Burren - Paddy O'Rourke   
Castlewellan - Mark Doran
Mayobridge - Benny Coulter/Francie Poland
Cumann Pheadair Naofa - Niall McAleenan   
Bryansford - Brian Burns     
Clonduff - Rpss Carr
Ballyholland - Stephen Poacher
Downpatrick - Conor Deegan
Glenn - ?     
Longstone - Keith Kelly
An Riocht - ?


Division 2
     
Rostrevor - ?   
Ballymartin - Frank Dawson
Annaclone - Justin Lynch
Saval - Sean Ward
Loughinisland - Brendan Mason   
Darragh Cross - Liam Hardy   
Bredagh - Jody Gormley 
St John's Drumnaquoile - Benny Corrigan 
Carryduff - Paddy Doherty   
Liatroim - Gary Farrell   
Newry Shamrocks - Danny Hughes   
St Colman's Drumaness - John Morgan   


Division 3

Clann na Banna - Paddy Feeney/Mickey Feeney   
Tullylish - Eamonn Morgan     
Atticall - ?   
Saul - Donnan Ritchie 
Bosco - Darren Quinn
Drumgath - Ronan Sexton
Glasdrumman - Jim Magorrian   
Teconnaught - Dan Rice   
Dundrum - Francie Toner
St Paul's - Kevin Blaney


Division 4

Dromara - ?   
Kilclief Ben Dearg GAC - ?   
Ardglass - Ryan Kelly
Bright - Noel Burke
Mitchels - ?
St Michael's GAC, Magheralin - ?
Aughlisnafin - ?
Aghaderg - ?
Ballykinlar - ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 24, 2017, 12:37:36 PM
Quote from: mightymad on January 24, 2017, 11:33:48 AM
people can sit behind the screen all day while giving people abuse, its about time they come out and man up and stop hiding behind a computer screen all day.

I asked genuine questions all day so I hope that wasn't aimed at me all day.
So it is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 24, 2017, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: mightymad on January 24, 2017, 11:33:48 AM
people can sit behind the screen all day while giving people abuse, its about time they come out and man up and stop hiding behind a computer screen all day.
So what's your name mightymad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 24, 2017, 01:45:28 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 24, 2017, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: mightymad on January 24, 2017, 11:33:48 AM
people can sit behind the screen all day while giving people abuse, its about time they come out and man up and stop hiding behind a computer screen all day.
So what's your name mightymad?

Its only 4 posts old so its subject to change!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turkey+ham on January 24, 2017, 04:36:16 PM
Fixtures to run every week basically from start of league in april until early august, unless you get a run in championship. four months of competitive football for div three and four, slightly longer for div 1 & 2. no break for july fortnight, 8 months off season. who seriously thinks this is a good idea?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on January 24, 2017, 04:55:30 PM
County Board obviously do
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 24, 2017, 06:08:41 PM
Quote from: turkey+ham on January 24, 2017, 04:36:16 PM
Fixtures to run every week basically from start of league in april until early august, unless you get a run in championship. four months of competitive football for div three and four, slightly longer for div 1 & 2. no break for july fortnight, 8 months off season. who seriously thinks this is a good idea?
The clubs will all have to vote for/against this but before this happens on Thursday night what do you think would be a better plan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: turkey+ham on January 24, 2017, 10:09:15 PM
I think that the idea to have regular fixtures is good, but July/summer break still necessary to ensure club players with families can continue to have holiday during summer hols. Would extend season too. Also feel that divisions & 1& 2 should be reduced to ten teams. But then that will go down like a lead balloon! Would increase number of games in division 3 and 4 and might even help these clubs develop some players for the county team. Club players not involved in co team need to be looked after as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 24, 2017, 11:44:48 PM
Club players not involved with county teams are getting a game every week for 6/7 months! I'd say if you asked any of them they would rather play than train!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 25, 2017, 12:54:27 AM
fortnights break in july needs to be re-instated

did the same two years and then bumped the two fixtures that fell in that period to end of season. last year they had the break included

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mightymad on January 25, 2017, 09:11:13 AM
All you deluded supporters are only good for running down our county, all sit on their back sides every game waiting to read match reports to try figure out who played well and what we should change about our team. its about time yous all got of your high horse and got out and support our county to help motivate our lads in what we need so much, to help give down players that drive again that they need. RANT OVER
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 25, 2017, 03:32:29 PM
Quote from: mightymad on January 25, 2017, 09:11:13 AM
All you deluded supporters are only good for running down our county, all sit on their back sides every game waiting to read match reports to try figure out who played well and what we should change about our team. its about time yous all got of your high horse and got out and support our county to help motivate our lads in what we need so much, to help give down players that drive again that they need. RANT OVER

Only good for running down the County?? I'm sure a right few of the posters are doing there bit for the County by coaching or playing Gaelic for their local club... Right to be aggrieved by lack of funding for there clubs with the hard work put in in clubs.. End of the day, Clubs do a hell of a lot for County board and if they feel screwed over they have a right to vent their frustrations. Strong club scene = Strong County team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on January 26, 2017, 08:38:06 AM
Mighty mad as someone who played 19 yrs in senior football and for the past 20 yrs being involved in running my club I take great exception to your comments, I accept our county is not in good shape on and of the field but  I believe we are improving , albeit slowly but like a previous post a strong club = a strong county,.
The closed fortnight needs to be re introduced, regular football is good and any postponed matches should be played within the 10 days as per county bye law , I think the proposal regarding postponements by Ballymartin has merit, and I would like to see any decisions regarding
refixing matches be agreed by the clubs and not by the ccc who have shown in the past to be totally inept.The voting on county issues should be made solely by the club representatives with only the county chairman having a vote from the top table , should be an interesting meeting tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 26, 2017, 09:25:49 AM
Could be interesting. Could also be a witch hunt.

I'm hoping one or two clubs try to lead everyone towards a sensible resolution (and a sensible realisation that county players need to focus solely on county football at certain periods in the calendar) (and a sensible realisation that clubs need protecting from themselves, and that trying to get a match postponed because a few players are absent, should result in large fines and points deductions). Basically a realisation that the show must go on.

My worry is that a lynch mob might form instead. If that happens we could end up with a short season of approximately no games. An OTT prediction perhaps, but if the tail tries too often to wag the dog, eventually the dog might just go for lie down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downup on January 26, 2017, 10:04:20 AM
From my experience in club committees and at the few county board meetings I was in attendance there never really seemed to be any thought given to the plight of the club player. Fixtures were tailored around the county team and the club players will just accept whatever is left. It always amazed me that the fixture setters where able to put fixtures at the start of the year on a Friday evening at 6.30 or 6.45pm which was in a lot of cases physically impossible for players to meet and be properly warmed up to play a match. What was ever wrong with Sunday games until the longer evenings?? Then towards the end of the year they fire in a number of Saturday games and to hell with anyone that works. Off course at county board meetings these fixtures are ratified at the beginning of the year so don't come crying through the year if they don't suit you. I don't agree with clubs chopping and changing to suit themselves but how about suiting the majority instead of the few!!
On another note, I have been told that this New Club Down position is a paid role - I mean are we for real!!! Paying someone to fundraise. Who is funding this or does it come out of the proceeds from future club Down members? Was the position advertised? Are there targets set for job performance? etc etc. If this is true then any thought I had of becoming a member is out the window!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 26, 2017, 10:29:35 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 26, 2017, 09:25:49 AM
Could be interesting. Could also be a witch hunt.

I'm hoping one or two clubs try to lead everyone towards a sensible resolution (and a sensible realisation that county players need to focus solely on county football at certain periods in the calendar) (and a sensible realisation that clubs need protecting from themselves, and that trying to get a match postponed because a few players are absent, should result in large fines and points deductions). Basically a realisation that the show must go on.

My worry is that a lynch mob might form instead. If that happens we could end up with a short season of approximately no games. An OTT prediction perhaps, but if the tail tries too often to wag the dog, eventually the dog might just go for lie down.

Clubs calling off games for spurious reasons is one of our main problems.
In the past I think our leagues have been run pretty well.
Would still like the July fortnight left free of games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 26, 2017, 10:53:48 AM
Is the July fortnight that big of a deal!! In my experience, players, and management, take holidays at varying times throughout the year. Most try and avoid championship fixtures ok, but they dont go for July fortnight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mightymad on January 26, 2017, 11:11:08 AM
Yes Agree with most statement made regarding my previous rant, but I also feel the county board need to be investing money back into clubs to help provide clubs with new facilities, gyms etc. I see in which many clubs have now got new quality gyms for their players to have great use of. But the likes of Ballyholland them poor lads gym is in an awful state no wonder whenever you walk into gym tech in newry you see most of their team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 26, 2017, 11:17:08 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on January 26, 2017, 10:53:48 AM
Is the July fortnight that big of a deal!! In my experience, players, and management, take holidays at varying times throughout the year. Most try and avoid championship fixtures ok, but they dont go for July fortnight.

In my experience players generally book for that fortnight as they know they will have it free. It is the only time from the season starts that we definitely know is free from fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 26, 2017, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: mightymad on January 26, 2017, 11:11:08 AM
Yes Agree with most statement made regarding my previous rant, but I also feel the county board need to be investing money back into clubs to help provide clubs with new facilities, gyms etc. I see in which many clubs have now got new quality gyms for their players to have great use of. But the likes of Ballyholland them poor lads gym is in an awful state no wonder whenever you walk into gym tech in newry you see most of their team.

Have fun with your fishing fella.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mightymad on January 26, 2017, 01:49:27 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 26, 2017, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: mightymad on January 26, 2017, 11:11:08 AM
Yes Agree with most statement made regarding my previous rant, but I also feel the county board need to be investing money back into clubs to help provide clubs with new facilities, gyms etc. I see in which many clubs have now got new quality gyms for their players to have great use of. But the likes of Ballyholland them poor lads gym is in an awful state no wonder whenever you walk into gym tech in newry you see most of their team.

Have fun with your fishing fella.
Fishing?? its stating the facts, you must be from up the hill cant face the fact once again, "ballyholland men don't need fancy gym equipment" LOL enjoy another successful year. #PoachersArmy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on January 26, 2017, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 26, 2017, 09:25:49 AM
Could be interesting. Could also be a witch hunt.

I'm hoping one or two clubs try to lead everyone towards a sensible resolution (and a sensible realisation that county players need to focus solely on county football at certain periods in the calendar) (and a sensible realisation that clubs need protecting from themselves, and that trying to get a match postponed because a few players are absent, should result in large fines and points deductions). Basically a realisation that the show must go on.

My worry is that a lynch mob might form instead. If that happens we could end up with a short season of approximately no games. An OTT prediction perhaps, but if the tail tries too often to wag the dog, eventually the dog might just go for lie down.

Would agree , a witch hunt is the last thing this county needs. Not that healthy debate and strongly stating positions shouldn't be encouraged, as listening and considering such views in the past has helped us to a position where we have great leagues compared to most other counties.
A few points:
1. Wobblers point that clubs should learn to play without players has merit, and is the key to the argument . It would solve most of the causes of stress for clubs around fixtures. There is only 1 major problem...it penalises clubs with county players , relatively speaking. This problem is easily solved by ensuring weekly fixtures in a premier graded competition, when county players are available, but also have weekly fixtures in a secondary competition when county players aren't available. This system already works effectively cf the international player management system in Rugby.
2. Taking away the July holiday break effectively disadvantages clubs with a high percentage of players who work in construction(usually rural clubs) , and clubs with smaller squads. The vast majority of club players are recreational and if they are Normal human beings they will want and are entitled to a summer holiday. Players historically have planned holidays and weddings etc for the July fortnight for years, and to pull the plug on this without at least 1 full year's notice( to respect those who have already made wedding/holiday plans) is unfair .
3. Div3/4 starts on the 31st march and for teams with early championship exit (50%) their season is finished in just over 4 months on the 10th August. Leaving to a nearly 8 month off season! This is unthinkable not least because , it's depriving potential county players in the lower divisions the opportunity to develop in a competitive environment in the months when they want to play :August/September/October .
By retaining the July fortnight in the lower divisions , you will be extending the player season by at least 1 month....regardless of any decision tonight that's a "no- brainer"
4.though I can empathise with Kilcoo and loughinisland who had difficulties in the last 2 seasons.the proposed new rules around league winners should prevent such a scenario developing again.
5. I think one rule which everyone should agree to , is a simple one, that CCC may rearrange league numbers Eg 10 team division 1, at the end of any season , on the basis of clubs end of year league position. Too often we have had good proposals which have had to be delayed 12 months to give clubs  a full season's warning and preparation  ( as should be done for July fortnight, if agreed) .

Congrats to clubs like Ballymartin and Kilcoo who have forwarded proposals to improve leagues in the in the past couple of years. The worry I have re tonight's meeting is not the heated debate (which is healthy and will undoubtedly unearth answers) but rather unmandated , apathetic or misinformed club delegates voting in poor fixture decisions .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 26, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
It will be very interesting in what comes out of tonight's county board meeting.The leagues are not bad the way they are so should continue that way.
Downup you hardly expect the Club Down representatives to do the job for the good of their health?I would imagine it would be a time consuming role which would take up a good bit of time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 26, 2017, 06:15:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 26, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
It will be very interesting in what comes out of tonight's county board meeting.The leagues are not bad the way they are so should continue that way.
Downup you hardly expect the Club Down representatives to do the job for the good of their health?I would imagine it would be a time consuming role which would take up a good bit of time.

This is a great point Smurfy.

There will never be a perfect league system when it's on the same timeline as the county championship, but by God we were close to it in 2009 with 10 team leagues, starred matches as required, quickfire end of season playoffs, and a July break.

Why in fucks name we had to f**k with all that I don't know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 26, 2017, 06:26:43 PM
Your right wobbler we near had it perfected
It's like this tonight play throughout the year with county players missing some important league games or have a stop start year with county players playing every game

I'll take the first one please

Club managers can't have it both ways
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 27, 2017, 09:12:23 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on January 26, 2017, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 26, 2017, 09:25:49 AM
Could be interesting. Could also be a witch hunt.

I'm hoping one or two clubs try to lead everyone towards a sensible resolution (and a sensible realisation that county players need to focus solely on county football at certain periods in the calendar) (and a sensible realisation that clubs need protecting from themselves, and that trying to get a match postponed because a few players are absent, should result in large fines and points deductions). Basically a realisation that the show must go on.

My worry is that a lynch mob might form instead. If that happens we could end up with a short season of approximately no games. An OTT prediction perhaps, but if the tail tries too often to wag the dog, eventually the dog might just go for lie down.

Would agree , a witch hunt is the last thing this county needs. Not that healthy debate and strongly stating positions shouldn't be encouraged, as listening and considering such views in the past has helped us to a position where we have great leagues compared to most other counties.
A few points:
1. Wobblers point that clubs should learn to play without players has merit, and is the key to the argument . It would solve most of the causes of stress for clubs around fixtures. There is only 1 major problem...it penalises clubs with county players , relatively speaking. This problem is easily solved by ensuring weekly fixtures in a premier graded competition, when county players are available, but also have weekly fixtures in a secondary competition when county players aren't available. This system already works effectively cf the international player management system in Rugby.
2. Taking away the July holiday break effectively disadvantages clubs with a high percentage of players who work in construction(usually rural clubs) , and clubs with smaller squads. The vast majority of club players are recreational and if they are Normal human beings they will want and are entitled to a summer holiday. Players historically have planned holidays and weddings etc for the July fortnight for years, and to pull the plug on this without at least 1 full year's notice( to respect those who have already made wedding/holiday plans) is unfair .
3. Div3/4 starts on the 31st march and for teams with early championship exit (50%) their season is finished in just over 4 months on the 10th August. Leaving to a nearly 8 month off season! This is unthinkable not least because , it's depriving potential county players in the lower divisions the opportunity to develop in a competitive environment in the months when they want to play :August/September/October .
By retaining the July fortnight in the lower divisions , you will be extending the player season by at least 1 month....regardless of any decision tonight that's a "no- brainer"
4.though I can empathise with Kilcoo and loughinisland who had difficulties in the last 2 seasons.the proposed new rules around league winners should prevent such a scenario developing again.
5. I think one rule which everyone should agree to , is a simple one, that CCC may rearrange league numbers Eg 10 team division 1, at the end of any season , on the basis of clubs end of year league position. Too often we have had good proposals which have had to be delayed 12 months to give clubs  a full season's warning and preparation  ( as should be done for July fortnight, if agreed) .

Congrats to clubs like Ballymartin and Kilcoo who have forwarded proposals to improve leagues in the in the past couple of years. The worry I have re tonight's meeting is not the heated debate (which is healthy and will undoubtedly unearth answers) but rather unmandated , apathetic or misinformed club delegates voting in poor fixture decisions .

1 - If it was easily solved we wouldn't have the problem, so no doubt it isn't easy at all
2 - We are seeing more and more players not using the July fortnight for holidays, while having weddings, weekends away etc throughout the year so this window isn't used as widely for holidays as it has been previously
3 - If you wait until the end of the season to implement for the next season how is promotion and relegation ever going to work? Clubs won't know if they are definitely up or down if they are in that situation if the following year structure isn't decided until the leagues are finished?

The league structures and fixtures aren't the worst in the world. We actually don't have much call for the CPA in Down when you see the reasons it is set up i.e. clubs going 10/12 weeks without a game etc. After all that, any word how it went last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mightymad on February 01, 2017, 10:13:24 AM
Its been very quiet on here last few days, up the hill must be looking for a new gym now that they realise they are miles behind any other club in county. Even the likes of Downpatrick (no disrespect) have got a new gym for their players to get in the best possible shape to compete with top teams. BH still think there hard men walking around with their disco weights. its about time to wake up and smell the cookie crumble.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 01, 2017, 06:01:11 PM
Another good display from Madine yesterday for uuj. Surely Eamon Burns must call him up to the county panel! Any ideas on the team to face Fermanagh this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 02, 2017, 08:27:53 AM
Deafening silence from the Co Board meeting last week. Anything of note?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 04, 2017, 09:23:18 PM
that was a complete shambles, getting beat by 9 points at home by fermanagh is a total embarrassment. kick outs were a disaster, we  hardly won a ball in the middle third. fermanagh won at their ease and really should have won by more. playing like that we'll go another year without winning a match, a 2nd relegation in a row beckons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 04, 2017, 10:11:38 PM
It's a long time since Down supporters were leaving a home game against Fermanagh with 15 minutes to go, and it must be even longer since we last lost 13 league and championship matches in a row, but we probably should not have been surprised.

Apart from a decent spell in the second quarter, our display was very much in line with last season's performances - disjointed, sporadic with no lack of effort but largely directionless.

Cunningham's kick-outs were initially reasonable but disintegrated after the break and handed easy possession to Fermanagh. Defence was not our worst sector as the two McGoverns stuck to their task but we still conceded far too regularly under pressure.

Carr and Flynn tried hard but looked like half backs who were pressed into midfield and our attack appeared to have very little shape. Davidson had a couple of flashes of quality but there was not much else happening and, while Magee and Havern tried hard, they presented very little threat and it was difficult to understand other options from the bench were not given a chance in their place before the end.

It is going to be very tough to lift the squad for the trip to Clare, but, if we do not get anything in Ennis, there is a serious danger of drawing a blank for the rest of the league programme. These are difficult days for Down followers and signs of optimism remain hard to detect.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 04, 2017, 10:36:07 PM
The lack of structure, organisation and awareness from our management is alarming. Down looked like a bunch of strangers that were playing together for the first time. Serious issues with kick outs. Not switched on at free kicks and general lack of game plan is not something one would not expect to see from a county side.

Some might say the players just aren't there but the lack of passion and negative body language from management seems to have spread to the players which isn't surprising. Lots of fans also questioning team selection.... the players on the bench looked like better options to start the match. I'd be very surprised if we dont get relegated.

As for the co board.... well that's just a massive mess! Time to sort priorities lads....forget about asking for money for a while and sending lads on jollies. Not many folk want to fund an unsuccessful team. I think the club down direct debit will have to bite the dust! Wee Pete or Jim McCorry don't look like bad options now recruitment panel!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 04, 2017, 10:42:58 PM
An easy way of getting through to the final round of the CB's "Last Man Standing" competition is just to pick whoever is playing us every week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on February 04, 2017, 11:09:23 PM
Jim McCorry got sacked after gaining permotion to division 1. Down GAA in a total shambles at all levels. Leaving Newry tonight after watching probably the worst Down Team performance I have ever seen. Bad times getting hammered by Fermanagh in your home patch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Verticalball on February 05, 2017, 01:35:00 AM
Not been on this in a while but feel the need to get involved. Firstly I feel that Fermanagh are more capable of an Ulster title this yr. Having said that, it's obviously about making the most of what is available to you. I'm sure that many would remember the fallout with blaney and mcartan pre championship 1994? Pete McGrath realised that he needed to get everyone on board.

Therefore, I have a question for you all - would a half fit Marty Clarke be on the Dublin panel? I think we all know the answer. At 29 we have had 2 seasons to appreciate his footballing talents.

Management is not all about dictatorship. Proper man management is sorely lacking, therefore fans are being deprived of watching one of the best players of the modern era pull on a Down jersey. Now we can argue all day long about this but we all know what should be happening.  As a lifelong Down supporter I am dismayed by the status quo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on February 05, 2017, 02:06:09 AM
Quote from: Verticalball on February 05, 2017, 01:35:00 AM
Not been on this in a while but feel the need to get involved. Firstly I feel that Fermanagh are more capable of an Ulster title this yr. Having said that, it's obviously about making the most of what is available to you. I'm sure that many would remember the fallout with blaney and mcartan pre championship 1994? Pete McGrath realised that he needed to get everyone on board.

Therefore, I have a question for you all - would a half fit Marty Clarke be on the Dublin panel? I think we all know the answer. At 29 we have had 2 seasons to appreciate his footballing talents.

Management is not all about dictatorship. Proper man management is sorely lacking, therefore fans are being deprived of watching one of the best players of the modern era pull on a Down jersey. Now we can argue all day long about this but we all know what should be happening.  As a lifelong Down supporter I am dismayed by the status quo.
What are you really talking about here? A half-fit MC wouldn't make the Dublin junior team.As he said tonight his days of County Football are over.What a waste! Marty and  brother JC are kings of the Bull-sh-t! It's going to be painful.
     Anyone going to Ennis?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Verticalball on February 05, 2017, 08:17:20 AM
I think my point is clear enough. He should be there in some capacity and the country is laughing at us. Correct me if I'm wrong but at no stage did Clarke mention that he felt unable to play county football last night. Change of management mentioned as a factor which is very frustrating. I believe that Clarke would be on every panel in the country yet we can't find a place for him. As I mentioned Pete McGrath swallowed his pride in 94 as he knew the players involved were essential to any hopes of success, surely the current management could do likewise. We certainly won't win an all-ireland but the situation is plain daft. As I said I don't comment very often and I believe the players that are there are doing their best in my eyes, but surely even they are bemused by the state of affairs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on February 05, 2017, 08:58:36 AM
Quote from: Verticalball on February 05, 2017, 08:17:20 AM
I think my point is clear enough. He should be there in some capacity and the country is laughing at us. Correct me if I'm wrong but at no stage did Clarke mention that he felt unable to play county football last night. Change of management mentioned as a factor which is very frustrating. I believe that Clarke would be on every panel in the country yet we can't find a place for him. As I mentioned Pete McGrath swallowed his pride in 94 as he knew the players involved were essential to any hopes of success, surely the current management could do likewise. We certainly won't win an all-ireland but the situation is plain daft. As I said I don't comment very often and I believe the players that are there are doing their best in my eyes, but surely even they are bemused by the state of affairs.
We can argue all day/night but MC is gone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 05, 2017, 09:13:23 AM
Quote from: imagine on February 05, 2017, 01:10:43 AM
Quote from: imagine on June 26, 2016, 09:45:41 PM
Does any of the posters on here go to County Board or have any influence on whoever goes from their Club?Are we at rock bottom or do we move next Spring to Div 3v
Div3- the holy keepers of Down GAA need to disappear and try another approach.Emergency County Board Meeting required and the current County Managers and County Board need to step aside asap.

Who do you want to take over as management of the senior team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 05, 2017, 09:14:51 AM
Last night was a night to try and finally get a win, build confidence and get the payers, management and supporters pulling in the same direction. To do that we needed to have our best team playing from the start, clearly thay wasnt the case.
Eamonn burns is obviously a legend of down football and is a lovely fella and all that but I think its obvious he is not a county manager. Theres only 1 way we are going this year and thats down to division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on February 05, 2017, 09:47:24 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on February 05, 2017, 09:13:23 AM
Quote from: imagine on February 05, 2017, 01:10:43 AM
Quote from: imagine on June 26, 2016, 09:45:41 PM
Does any of the posters on here go to County Board or have any influence on whoever goes from their Club?Are we at rock bottom or do we move next Spring to Div 3v
Div3- the holy keepers of Down GAA need to disappear and try another approach.Emergency County Board Meeting required and the current County Managers and County Board need to step aside asap.

Who do you want to take over as management of the senior team?
May as well be someone from 91/94 as that's the usual solution.McCorry was an exception but they quickly went back to the Down Way after one season.He had only got us promoted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 05, 2017, 11:26:24 AM
Quote from: imagine on February 05, 2017, 09:47:24 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on February 05, 2017, 09:13:23 AM
Quote from: imagine on February 05, 2017, 01:10:43 AM
Quote from: imagine on June 26, 2016, 09:45:41 PM
Does any of the posters on here go to County Board or have any influence on whoever goes from their Club?Are we at rock bottom or do we move next Spring to Div 3v
Div3- the holy keepers of Down GAA need to disappear and try another approach.Emergency County Board Meeting required and the current County Managers and County Board need to step aside asap.

Who do you want to take over as management of the senior team?
May as well be someone from 91/94 as that's the usual solution.McCorry was an exception but they quickly went back to the Down Way after one season.He had only got us promoted.

After the debacle in the McCorry sacking and the state of the results over the past 13 months, we'd be lucky to find someone willing to take over at the end of the year let alone after one league game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 05, 2017, 12:44:55 PM
The anger on here is understandable- I felt exactly the same last night coming out of Pairc Esler.
Today, I want to channel that anger into something constructive. I can't think of too many positives from last night ; Fermanagh were more focussed from the get-go and could have raced away with the game. However, the management did read the situation in the second quarter and we had three goal chances- two were wasted by shooting at point-blank range while Davidson struck the outside of the post. Some of the tackling was excellent and we built on good turnovers to find ourselves a point up and in the ascendancy when a mistake from Barry O'Hagan killed the momentum and allowed Fermanagh to grab two points and go in one up.
The body language of the players traipsing off should have rung alarm bells; the third quarter was a disaster and management were back to last year's paralysis. Eamonn Burns is a proud man, a warrior from the 90s, but when he hooked a young lad making his league debut- McKeever ( by no means the worst) - he should have acknowledged the lad's efforts. Managers must be decisive, up-beat and motivated; at the moment, for whatever reason, ours isn't.
The bit of momentum from the Derry game has been lost and the trip to Ennis will define our season; lose and we are potentially looking at another year of defeats, win on the road and there are possibilities to build on. Somebody needs to work hard with these young men this week as there are some good players and they need confidence and reassurance; Gaelic football should be fun and a county team represents collective pride.
I think the MC debate is a red herring; he was our best player in the last 20 years and it's great to see him playing again but the challenge of his illness rules out county football IMO.
We all have our views on the County Board and the County Secretary. I will never criticise people who volunteer for the GAA as I've sat on enough committees to recognise the huge unseen efforts these people make. However, rather than moan and curse the dark we should applaud the efforts of people like Ross Carr to actually do something to stop the rot and plan for the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 05, 2017, 02:56:13 PM
Well said imagine.County champions this past 5 years and can't get 1 started on the team?Its hard to believe but we are worse than last year.We looked very unfit for a team that have been training 4 nights a week from November.It was a big risk not to play Mckernan Johnstone Devlin O Hanlon and Poland and it back fired big time.It was said on here before about what Murray has added since joining the set up?He was very quiet last night when things were going against us .Surely lads we are better than this ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 05, 2017, 04:50:34 PM
The contributors who have been suggesting that our county executive should be replaced are presumably aware that the posts are all filled at the annual convention and it is up to anyone who believes they can do a better job to put their names forward for election.

Everyone is entitled to a view on the performance of officials but it is those who decline to get involved in any way who are tolerating failure.

It is equally pointless to demand the recall of Martin Clarke when it has been well documented that, while he was an outstanding star in the past, he has a medical condition which effectively allows him to play at club but not county level.

What we really need to do is ask whether all the players who do have the fitness and ability required are actually representing Down and whether we are getting the best out of the existing members of a senior squad which still includes some capable individuals.

It would be wrong to base our conclusions on last night's game alone, but it is a fact that our manager has now been in charge for ten league and championship fixtures and lost them all.

While the depth of talent available to him is limited, and cannot be compared to our successful teams of the past, it is very difficult to detect where progress has been made over the last year.

It is possible that signs of improvement will finally start to emerge next week against Clare, who were in division three last season, but another defeat would leave us heading firmly towards back to back relegations.

In those circumstances, it would be reasonable to expect that our executive, who were given a democratic mandate to take decisions, will tell us whether or not they have confidence in our management structures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 06, 2017, 09:55:37 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 05, 2017, 04:50:34 PM
The contributors who have been suggesting that our county executive should be replaced are presumably aware that the posts are all filled at the annual convention and it is up to anyone who believes they can do a better job to put their names forward for election.

Everyone is entitled to a view on the performance of officials but it is those who decline to get involved in any way who are tolerating failure.

It is equally pointless to demand the recall of Martin Clarke when it has been well documented that, while he was an outstanding star in the past, he has a medical condition which effectively allows him to play at club but not county level.

What we really need to do is ask whether all the players who do have the fitness and ability required are actually representing Down and whether we are getting the best out of the existing members of a senior squad which still includes some capable individuals.

It would be wrong to base our conclusions on last night's game alone, but it is a fact that our manager has now been in charge for ten league and championship fixtures and lost them all.

While the depth of talent available to him is limited, and cannot be compared to our successful teams of the past, it is very difficult to detect where progress has been made over the last year.

It is possible that signs of improvement will finally start to emerge next week against Clare, who were in division three last season, but another defeat would leave us heading firmly towards back to back relegations.

In those circumstances, it would be reasonable to expect that our executive, who were given a democratic mandate to take decisions, will tell us whether or not they have confidence in our management structures.
I suppose the problem with the County Executive is that it is made up of the same old faces each year but maybe in different roles as they do their stint and move to another after five years.Same faces,same way of doing things and as we get worse on the pitch they are incapable of stopping the rot by being inventive.Eamon is and was never the right man for the job and his new man Cathal Murray appears to have brought nothing to the table.Fitness appeared a problem on Saturday night and Clare had a good draw away to Derry so this weekend will be a challenge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 06, 2017, 11:49:16 AM
Anyone who thought we were going to beat Fermanagh needs a reality check.....lets call a spade a spade....with our current panel we will struggle to remain in division 2.

ok if we had scored those two goals it may have helped but the reality of it is Fermanagh hit 13 wides half of which they should have scored.

their players roasted us in the second half. Lee Cullen left our lads for dead in one burst forward. his brother che dominated the full back line.

our tackling was poor. one instance saw 3 down players shepherding the Fermanagh full back well only for him to be shoved to the ground for a easy free out. that's just plain thick. tackling generally was poor. one hand on the player with the other grappling for the ball which ended up in cheaps frees be given up. this is in part poor technique and poor fitness in keeping up with the opponent to make the proper tackle

Fermanagh pushed up on our kickouts to force the long punt which they dominated. we couldn't do same as we needed the extra man in midfield incase they went long so let them find their full backs and tried to defend from there

some said we didn't start our strongest team....but the first half was better than an abject second half so that blows that argument.

all we can do is get the basics right at club level and through the new mourne academy set up cos there is no quick fix.

the best players are not available for selection for one reason or another...

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 06, 2017, 12:34:32 PM
Lecale where do our problems lie within the country?
Surely we are not as bad as we have shown this past 15 months ?
Yes we have not got our best players but we still should be better than that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 06, 2017, 09:42:17 PM
 The Ralph McTell / The Furey Brothers song comes to mind for the match at the weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 07, 2017, 09:50:08 AM
Our way out of this current slumber with our minor, U-21 and senior teams is principally through the Mourne Academy. It is the main vehicle through which we can get back on our feet. It is no quick fix and is totally dependent on the quality of coaches within it and how the whole thing is structured.
We also need to look at the situation in regards to football in our schools.
The more teams playing 'A' level grade the better. Unfortunately we only have the Abbey and St Colman's playing in the MacRory. We need the Red High up there again. It's near 20 years since they played at that level. Can the likes of Knock now with their Bredagh and Carryduff contingent make that breakthrough? St Malachy's have serious tradition and I'm sure they won't be far off the 'A' grade in the next few years.
Finally there is a huge onus on our clubs. A lot of our coaching seminars/education workshops are poorly attended in the county. I feel that a lot of clubs don't invest enough time in coaching their coaches and exposing them to Ulster Council courses in order to up skill them.
When we see a rise in credibility of the development squads, more schools competing at the top grade and better coaching structures set out within our clubs then the journey back to the top table will begin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on February 07, 2017, 11:08:01 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on February 07, 2017, 09:50:08 AM
Our way out of this current slumber with our minor, U-21 and senior teams is principally through the Mourne Academy. It is the main vehicle through which we can get back on our feet. It is no quick fix and is totally dependent on the quality of coaches within it and how the whole thing is structured.
We also need to look at the situation in regards to football in our schools.
The more teams playing 'A' level grade the better. Unfortunately we only have the Abbey and St Colman's playing in the MacRory. We need the Red High up there again. It's near 20 years since they played at that level. Can the likes of Knock now with their Bredagh and Carryduff contingent make that breakthrough? St Malachy's have serious tradition and I'm sure they won't be far off the 'A' grade in the next few years.
Finally there is a huge onus on our clubs. A lot of our coaching seminars/education workshops are poorly attended in the county. I feel that a lot of clubs don't invest enough time in coaching their coaches and exposing them to Ulster Council courses in order to up skill them.
When we see a rise in credibility of the development squads, more schools competing at the top grade and better coaching structures set out within our clubs then the journey back to the top table will begin.

A bit of sense in there, but I think you're missing a whole area of concern i.e. the primary schools.
We're sending coaches into Primary schools and that's great, possibly once a week at best, which in itself is enough, but there's little or no end product, i.e. games, blitzes for them and AFAIK speaking from the hurling side we're into February and the local primary school has played in one P6 blitz. I think last year between P4's and P7's they played in three blitzes the whole term time and one INTO blitz pre Feile.
Get that sorted, coupled with making the club connection at underage and increase the participation at this level and more will stay involved in the game(s). In my time involved with our juvenile sets ups if you don't get a child involved at at least P3 or P4 then they're less likely to come onboard later on as they're playing catch up and that's never good for their self esteem no matter how you try and dress it up.

Oh, hurling has finally been kickstarted in the Red High again as well as St Pats, Knock, so keep the big ball out of them please  ;)

On coaching, the very best coaching sessions I've been at were with Paudie Butler and Eamon O'Shea and there wasn't a power point display or flip chart or even a cone to be seen.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 07, 2017, 12:33:45 PM
This sums things up


There's a reason why The Wire is one of the most quotable TV series of all time.

There's a line for everything, even the pitiful demise of Down's inter-county footballers. After seeing some of what happened and speaking to people who were in Newry on Saturday night, the conversation between Bunk, a detective, and Omar, the notorious stick-up man, came to mind. Bunk lambastes Omar for his latest violent tirade. He reminds him of how they went to the same school when their neighbourhood had a community. He lashes out (we'll remove the expletive): "Makes me sick how far we done fell." Does it make anybody sick in Down just how much they have descended these last 22 months? It doesn't seem so. In that time, they have lost 13 straight matches. Their last victory came in April 2015. Eamon Burns has yet to experience either a victory or even a draw in that time.

Two years ago, Jim McCorry earned promotion to Division 1 but the board executive's reaction to an early qualifier defeat left him feeling unwanted. His 45% win rate puts Burns' record to shame but there was no rush by Down to hang out one of their own after a sharp championship exit last year. Pride comes before the fall but Down remain arrogant as they descend further into obscurity.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 07, 2017, 01:39:54 PM
Smurfy,

When I look at your comments, you know what I see? A man without a county. Not hard enough for this right here, and maybe, just maybe, not smart enough for them out there.

Aristo



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: West Down Rover on February 07, 2017, 02:20:59 PM
Was at the match and was fairly content with the first half. However the lack of player and management experience at this level soon showed.  Pete McGrath with Quigley, Corrigan and other Fermanagh player's experience prevailed. 
Poor calls by the Down forwards blasting the ball into backs/goalie (like a u14 glorying!) rather than fisting over the bar or looking for passing options plus a lack of self belief in taking a shot for a point from the side line, instead they recycled the ball back the other way.  Down goalie kick outs and poor mid field play were also our downfall.
Certain now that the Down Senior football team and Management is a 'holding position' until new talent or some of the older experience lads return.  The Down players have indeed talent, but need self belief and I am afraid more experience, which means further losses until the ship is turned around.
I can see a good future having attended development squad matches in 2016 at u14 and u15 level.  Also we must recognise the strong Minor club teams in Down.  The future, perhaps 3-5 years is Red/Black and positive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on February 07, 2017, 04:36:15 PM
Understandable that our goalie had problems with the kick-outs. Under the floodlights, the colours probably looked quite similar. Red and black, green and white, it's no wonder he continually licked the ball to the Fermanagh team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 07, 2017, 07:02:12 PM
  Dreary stuff on and off the pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 07, 2017, 09:19:05 PM
Quote from: West Down Rover on February 07, 2017, 02:20:59 PM
Was at the match and was fairly content with the first half. However the lack of player and management experience at this level soon showed.  Pete McGrath with Quigley, Corrigan and other Fermanagh player's experience prevailed. 
Poor calls by the Down forwards blasting the ball into backs/goalie (like a u14 glorying!) rather than fisting over the bar or looking for passing options plus a lack of self belief in taking a shot for a point from the side line, instead they recycled the ball back the other way.  Down goalie kick outs and poor mid field play were also our downfall.
Certain now that the Down Senior football team and Management is a 'holding position' until new talent or some of the older experience lads return.  The Down players have indeed talent, but need self belief and I am afraid more experience, which means further losses until the ship is turned around.
I can see a good future having attended development squad matches in 2016 at u14 and u15 level.  Also we must recognise the strong Minor club teams in Down.  The future, perhaps 3-5 years is Red/Black and positive.
A good first post and welcome to the Board.While recognising your positivity about U14 and U15,I don't understand your reference to strong Minor teams when these teams don't get to shine until the later knock-out stages of the MFC in August and September by which time we'll probably be out of competition in the Ulster/All-Ireland stages at County level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 07, 2017, 09:25:36 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 07, 2017, 09:19:05 PM
Quote from: West Down Rover on February 07, 2017, 02:20:59 PM
Was at the match and was fairly content with the first half. However the lack of player and management experience at this level soon showed.  Pete McGrath with Quigley, Corrigan and other Fermanagh player's experience prevailed. 
Poor calls by the Down forwards blasting the ball into backs/goalie (like a u14 glorying!) rather than fisting over the bar or looking for passing options plus a lack of self belief in taking a shot for a point from the side line, instead they recycled the ball back the other way.  Down goalie kick outs and poor mid field play were also our downfall.
Certain now that the Down Senior football team and Management is a 'holding position' until new talent or some of the older experience lads return.  The Down players have indeed talent, but need self belief and I am afraid more experience, which means further losses until the ship is turned around.
I can see a good future having attended development squad matches in 2016 at u14 and u15 level.  Also we must recognise the strong Minor club teams in Down.  The future, perhaps 3-5 years is Red/Black and positive.
A good first post and welcome to the Board.While recognising your positivity about U14 and U15,I don't understand your reference to strong Minor teams when these teams don't get to shine until the later knock-out stages of the MFC in August and September by which time we'll probably be out of competition in the Ulster/All-Ireland stages at County level.

I presume the point being made is that the strong minor teams will eventually supply future senior sides with some decent players. You could counter that with the fact that the county minor team hasn't won very many games over the past few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 07, 2017, 09:29:52 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on February 07, 2017, 09:25:36 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 07, 2017, 09:19:05 PM
Quote from: West Down Rover on February 07, 2017, 02:20:59 PM
Was at the match and was fairly content with the first half. However the lack of player and management experience at this level soon showed.  Pete McGrath with Quigley, Corrigan and other Fermanagh player's experience prevailed. 
Poor calls by the Down forwards blasting the ball into backs/goalie (like a u14 glorying!) rather than fisting over the bar or looking for passing options plus a lack of self belief in taking a shot for a point from the side line, instead they recycled the ball back the other way.  Down goalie kick outs and poor mid field play were also our downfall.
Certain now that the Down Senior football team and Management is a 'holding position' until new talent or some of the older experience lads return.  The Down players have indeed talent, but need self belief and I am afraid more experience, which means further losses until the ship is turned around.
I can see a good future having attended development squad matches in 2016 at u14 and u15 level.  Also we must recognise the strong Minor club teams in Down.  The future, perhaps 3-5 years is Red/Black and positive.
A good first post and welcome to the Board.While recognising your positivity about U14 and U15,I don't understand your reference to strong Minor teams when these teams don't get to shine until the later knock-out stages of the MFC in August and September by which time we'll probably be out of competition in the Ulster/All-Ireland stages at County level.

I presume the point being made is that the strong minor teams will eventually supply future senior sides with some decent players. You could counter that with the fact that the county minor team hasn't won very many games over the past few years.
Nor has our U21's and Seniors so U14-17 is the future while hoping the Minors do well this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 07, 2017, 09:45:38 PM
So should we waste our time and hard earned cash going to support a team that clearly isnt the best representation of our county. Surely Pete McGrath needs to be involved again in some capacity as soon as he hangs up the boots with Fermanagh. We are getting worse. A defeat away to Clare and we face another year without a win.  If people believe this is currently a holding mgmt team then Maybe we should withdraw from competition until the county board can be bothered to offer the job to someone who will get the best out of players and the best players on the pitch . Its a f**king disgrace .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on February 07, 2017, 10:58:15 PM
Good youth development will be key going forward yes. But you look at how Fermanagh have progressed in 3 years. That is not down to youth development and they have a small pick. So it has to be down to the correct training methods and strategy and also the best players available playing and also the players fully buying in and giving their all. Also the idea that Down club football is poor I  think is not true. We have had teams regularly competing well in provincial competitions at intermediate and senior. However all that being said we must  continue to support the lads through the hard times too. We can't give off at lads who are giving  4/5 sessions a week to play county. I have no doubt they are committed to the cause.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 08, 2017, 08:12:35 PM
Quote from: outinfront on February 07, 2017, 10:58:15 PM
Good youth development will be key going forward yes. But you look at how Fermanagh have progressed in 3 years. That is not down to youth development and they have a small pick. So it has to be down to the correct training methods and strategy and also the best players available playing and also the players fully buying in and giving their all. Also the idea that Down club football is poor I  think is not true. We have had teams regularly competing well in provincial competitions at intermediate and senior. However all that being said we must  continue to support the lads through the hard times too. We can't give off at lads who are giving  4/5 sessions a week to play county. I have no doubt they are committed to the cause.
So the players are blameless? And it's just Eamon Burns and his backroom team are the problem?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on February 08, 2017, 08:45:37 PM
No. i didn't directly blame anyone.
I would say however that any of the games I've been to or watched I have not seen lack of effort.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 08, 2017, 10:52:25 PM
Quote from: outinfront on February 08, 2017, 08:45:37 PM
No. i didn't directly blame anyone.
I would say however that any of the games I've been to or watched I have not seen lack of effort.
So all is Ok!Phewww!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 08, 2017, 11:24:12 PM
Quote from: The Raven on February 03, 2017, 02:00:34 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 02, 2017, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 02, 2017, 08:27:53 AM
Deafening silence from the Co Board meeting last week. Anything of note?
Ask your Club delegate.

Don't think he needs to ask. I suspect he may have been there himself??

You can get banned from the board for less. A few too many gins I suspect.

No one from Rostrevor was able to attend as far as I am aware, which is why I was asking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on February 09, 2017, 09:51:23 AM
Sam Fever I don't really get the point you are trying to make? You appear to be arguing against my post but I'm not entirely sure why?
Are you defending burns and questioning the players? It's not clear.
To clarify, It is obvious that things are not going well and that we have been on a slide for a while.  I have alluded to the Fermanagh situation where obvious improvement has occurred. Fitness is good, strategy is good, players are playing well and confidence is high.
I do not believe things are going well with Down (our competitive record since promotion to div1 clearly supports that) but I do believe we should continue to support. That does not mean we can't have grievances with the current situation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 09, 2017, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: outinfront on February 09, 2017, 09:51:23 AM
Sam Fever I don't really get the point you are trying to make? You appear to be arguing against my post but I'm not entirely sure why?
Are you defending burns and questioning the players? It's not clear.
To clarify, It is obvious that things are not going well and that we have been on a slide for a while.  I have alluded to the Fermanagh situation where obvious improvement has occurred. Fitness is good, strategy is good, players are playing well and confidence is high.
I do not believe things are going well with Down (our competitive record since promotion to div1 clearly supports that) but I do believe we should continue to support. That does not mean we can't have grievances with the current situation.
I wasn't really arguing against your posts,I was more trying to understand your position which you now have clearly done so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 09, 2017, 01:48:32 PM
  out in front,I see you're down to visit us in May in Div2.How's pre-season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on February 09, 2017, 02:01:40 PM
No sweat. Yeah looking forward to new season. Preseason? 😜
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 10, 2017, 05:02:50 PM
  No Down team announced yet. (as usual...........................
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 10, 2017, 05:45:56 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 10, 2017, 05:02:50 PM
  No Down team announced yet. (as usual...........................
'apparently' all has been well in the camp this week and has been well for the past few weeks........ ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 10, 2017, 06:45:13 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 10, 2017, 05:45:56 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 10, 2017, 05:02:50 PM
  No Down team announced yet. (as usual...........................
'apparently' all has been well in the camp this week and has been well for the past few weeks........ ;)
Please explain
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 10, 2017, 07:00:37 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 10, 2017, 06:45:13 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 10, 2017, 05:45:56 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 10, 2017, 05:02:50 PM
  No Down team announced yet. (as usual...........................
'apparently' all has been well in the camp this week and has been well for the past few weeks........ ;)
Please explain
from what i've been told by people that are in the squad and close to the squad is that players arent happy with the training and training facilities or lack off. They were ringing certain clubs during the week begging them to let them use their facilities for training at a few hours notice. Certain players arent happy they werent playing last week and made it known. Squad for clare was named and certain senior players were told they werent in it or wouldnt be starting again. Players had meeting and ended up urging manager to pick 'stronger' team. Alot of players peeved off and thinking about quitting.
Be interesting to see what team takes the field in cusack park.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 10, 2017, 08:21:47 PM
Would a players strike be frowned upon?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 11, 2017, 09:07:53 AM
Is the management really to blame?What more can they possibly do in the situation they have found themselves in?Lads this is Clare we are playing after all hardly a top team
Down by 4
Fermanagh by 1
Meath by 2
Cork by 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on February 11, 2017, 09:14:32 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 11, 2017, 09:07:53 AM
Is the management really to blame?What more can they possibly do in the situation they have found themselves in?Lads this is Clare we are playing after all hardly a top team
Down by 4
Fermanagh by 1
Meath by 2
Cork by 3

Aye cause down are flying these days  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 11, 2017, 09:55:44 AM
No we are not flying but this should be our easiest game in this division.Clare Derry and Meath is where our 6 points will come from.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on February 11, 2017, 09:57:36 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 11, 2017, 09:55:44 AM
No we are not flying but this should be our easiest game in this division.Clare Derry and Meath is where our 6 points will come from.

I'd love to have your optimism and be proved wrong but can't see it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on February 11, 2017, 10:01:25 AM
Has the team been named?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 11, 2017, 11:04:55 AM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on February 11, 2017, 09:57:36 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 11, 2017, 09:55:44 AM
No we are not flying but this should be our easiest game in this division.Clare Derry and Meath is where our 6 points will come from.

I'd love to have your optimism and be proved wrong but can't see it.

If we win tomorrow we have a chance. If we lose, the season is already over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 11, 2017, 02:19:30 PM
Cant see us staying in the Div. No game plan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 11, 2017, 04:24:19 PM
down team named for tomorrow;

marc reid

ryan mcaleenan
gerard mcgovern
darren o hagan
conaill mcgovern
niall donnelly
caolan mooney

aiden carr
jonathan flynn

joe murphy
cathal magee
shay millar
alan davidson
pat havern
barry o hagan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 11, 2017, 04:52:03 PM
Where did you see that team sheedy?
Surely that's not the team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 11, 2017, 05:43:11 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 11, 2017, 04:52:03 PM
Where did you see that team sheedy?
Surely that's not the team
niall mccoy from gaelic life had it on twitter earlier. Thats the same team I heard yesterday that when announced certain players made it known they werent happy. Suppose we'll just have to wait and see what actual team lines out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on February 11, 2017, 06:59:30 PM
That's the team Burns has named. If Down line out this way,I predict a Clare win by +6. Four of the rookies from last week plus two new rookies, even though the management admitted last week that starting 6 rookies was a mistake. That is downright bizzare decision making. If it's not the team that will line out, that is also poor management - how are players meant to focus if they don't know whether they're playing an hour before the throw in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 11, 2017, 07:04:07 PM
Quote from: saulzer on February 11, 2017, 06:59:30 PM
That's the team Burns has named. If Down line out this way,I predict a Clare win by +6. Four of the rookies from last week plus two new rookies, even though the management admitted last week that starting 6 rookies was a mistake. That is downright bizzare decision making. If it's not the team that will line out, that is also poor management - how are players meant to focus if they don't know whether they're playing an hour before the throw in?

The players know who is going to start. The players are told the true team, and the media are told a dummy team (if there is one).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 11, 2017, 07:35:38 PM
For what it's worth
A guess at tomorrow's team

Reid
Mcaleenan
McGovern
O Hagan
Mcardle
McGovern
O Hanlon
Mckernan
Turley
Devlin
Poland
Johnstone
Davidson
Magee
O hagen

That leaves a few good lads to come off the bench
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on February 11, 2017, 08:29:11 PM
OGRA you are incorrect in your assumption that the team know the real line out well before the match under this management. They don't, at most they are told in less than 60 minutes before the start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 11, 2017, 08:37:12 PM
Quote from: saulzer on February 11, 2017, 08:29:11 PM
OGRA you are incorrect in your assumption that the team know the real line out well before the match under this management. They don't, at most they are told in less than 60 minutes before the start.

I find that fairly incomprehensible if true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on February 11, 2017, 08:56:02 PM
Sadly Ogra, that has been the situation this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 11, 2017, 10:26:33 PM
The team named by Sheedy is the official starting 15 but it is anyone's guess how many changes will be announced before the throw-in. Although we still have some decent players who are capable of putting in a shift tomorrow, this is no way to prepare for a game which may dictate if we can avoid back to back relegations.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on February 11, 2017, 10:32:54 PM
Obviously the team travelled today so hopefully any changes will be communicated to the team this evening if not done before. Bound to be 4 or 5 from last week and would expect to see O'Hanlon, Johnstone and Poland in from the start. Clare won't be daunted by Down which could be to our advantages. Would like to see Down playing more directly. Reid in from start was bound to happen Cunningham kick outs too slow and predictable.

A win tomorrow will help get things back on track, a loss and it could be disastrous for league prospects and Eamonn's tenure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on February 12, 2017, 10:55:05 AM
Apparently Mark Poland isn't in the squad that travelled to Ennis. Don't expect him to be starting then.

In my view, Down 's most competitive performance in the last year was when they put it up to  Mayo in Castlebar in a game the latter had to win. That should have been the bulk of the team that lined out against Fermanagh and should be the team that lines out today (possibly with Madine also in the mix).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2017, 02:01:07 PM
Clare FM has just confirmed that Down will start with the line-up which was officially named late on Friday. Donnelly has apparently switched to full back with Gerard McGovern in the corner.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 12, 2017, 02:02:03 PM
Great start, 1-0 to 0-0 to Clare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 12, 2017, 02:08:50 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on February 12, 2017, 02:02:03 PM
Great start, 1-0 to 0-0 to Clare.
anyone expecting there to be changes to the starting lineup will be disappointed as down lined out as named.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 12, 2017, 02:10:08 PM
1-01 to 0-01 now. Down playing against a strong wind according to Clare FM.

Hurlers getting a trimming too 3-15 to 1-06.



Quote from: SHEEDY on February 12, 2017, 02:08:50 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on February 12, 2017, 02:02:03 PM
Great start, 1-0 to 0-0 to Clare.
anyone expecting there to be changes to the starting lineup will be disappointed as down lined out as named.

Yep, it appears yourself and Saulzer were right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 12, 2017, 02:21:26 PM
1-03 to 0-02 after 21 mins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 12, 2017, 02:38:17 PM
2-07 to 0-03.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 12, 2017, 02:39:07 PM
Disgrace. Get rid of that management team now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 12, 2017, 02:39:22 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on February 12, 2017, 02:38:17 PM
2-07 to 0-03.
down getting a bit of a trimming in ennis, losing 2-7 to 0-3 at half time. dark days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2017, 02:40:52 PM
HT Clare 2-7 Down 0-3. The Clare goals came with their first and last attacks and may have finished us off. Down apparently have a strong wind in the second half but will have to improve considerably. Our points were from Carr, Millar and Havern, all from play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on February 12, 2017, 02:50:29 PM
That wind isn't gale force by any chance?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2017, 02:56:05 PM
Maginn and O'Hanlon came on for Down at half time but the Clare FM commentators were not sure who they replaced.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 12, 2017, 02:59:59 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on February 12, 2017, 02:50:29 PM
That wind isn't gale force by any chance?

It's now 2-10 to 3 points so you'd have to guess no.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 12, 2017, 03:02:38 PM
absolutely embarrrasing that the boys on clare fm were talking at half time that this was a chance to boost their scoring difference.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on February 12, 2017, 03:05:05 PM
lads is anyone really surprised its were we are at the minute cant think of any time we have been worse......not much really you can say about it all that hasn't been said.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on February 12, 2017, 03:13:59 PM
Quote from: thebar on February 12, 2017, 03:05:05 PM
lads is anyone really surprised its were we are at the minute cant think of any time we have been worse......not much really you can say about it all that hasn't been said.

Completely agree. Management incompetence and players attitude the cause of our problems. Maybe Division 3 is these players level and will have to build from there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on February 12, 2017, 03:14:38 PM
Is there any GAA follower left in the County now who doesn't realise that the management team appointed by the County board is completely and utterly out of its depth?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 12, 2017, 03:15:47 PM
Relegation guaranteed. Another painful year awaits. Another winless year. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 12, 2017, 03:20:44 PM
Quote from: saulzer on February 12, 2017, 03:14:38 PM
Is there any GAA follower left in the County now who doesn't realise that the management team appointed by the County board is completely and utterly out of its depth?

Probably not but who in their right mind would take over the team at this stage of the season and after these results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2017, 03:36:23 PM
FT Clare 2-11 Down 0-11. Saulzer's prediction when the team was named was spot on. We managed two or three late points but it still looks grim for us.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 12, 2017, 03:40:06 PM
Shambles of a set up..  If the current management team stays in place, Down wont win a game in 2017.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 12, 2017, 03:44:30 PM
where do we go from here? surely current management set up cant continue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 12, 2017, 03:46:57 PM
Its a long way home from Ennis. It will only get worse under this management team if that is possible. Armagh in Newry 1st round of ulster is looking terrifying now.  Why would any player give uo their time for this. Pity those loyal supporters who travelled to Clare. Some waste if hard earned cash.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2017, 05:54:35 PM
We will probably hear later from people who were actually in Ennis but the Clare FM commentators suggested it was another poor display with only Reid, Darren O'Hagan and Mooney looking the part. There seems little doubt that we started with the wrong team and the game was effectively over by the break. It is hard to understand why Ryan Johnston was again left on the bench but we apparently improved when he came on and it was good that Jerome got a late run. Meath won by 15 points today and will be travelling to Newry in a fortnight with considerable confidence. Paddy Power has just listed us as 1/5 to be relegated and the real question is whether we can avoid another complete whitewash this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 12, 2017, 06:46:55 PM
2 games into the season and it's no longer a question of whether Eamon Burns is going, but how he'll end up going. The county board won't oust him, so it's going to boil down to whether Eamon walks with his head held high, or whether the players force him out. I've no desire to ever see the latter happen in our county. Which kind of leaves only only amicable solution.

I'd wager my house he won't be there for the Ulster Championship. So the sooner the better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on February 12, 2017, 06:53:34 PM
If McCorry was still in charge would we be in such a mess?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 12, 2017, 07:26:00 PM
Serious questions have to be asked as to how he was given another year.  I don't think the Burns/Murray package is free of charge so it can't be because it's the cheap option.

Wobbler is correct in that the county board are unlikely to act but if Eamon doesn't do the right thing (which if he has the best interests of the county at heart he will) then somebody has to step up and tell him thanks for your efforts but they fall well well short.

We will struggle to get anyone of note to take over mid season so I'd tend to look at the under 21 or minor management to see us through to the end of the season.

If anyone comes out and says we don't have the players then yes we don't have the players to win ulster or all Ireland's but we sure as hell have the players to compete with Fermanagh and f**king Clare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on February 12, 2017, 07:32:24 PM
If McCorry was still in charge, we would still have been relegated but probably not with zero points. I expect we would have been a relatively competitive division 2 team. By all accounts the quality of his analysis and preparation was on a level light years ahead of the current management's. McCorry did make mistakes, eg not playing Peter Turkey against Derry in the championship cost that game. The qualifier against Wexford was a disaster, but part of that was down to the fact that the travel and accommodation arrangements were a mess.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 12, 2017, 07:52:38 PM
Agree with wobbler and whitegoodman

Yes we are far from a top 8-10 team but for goodness sake Fermanagh and now Clare which is pretty demoralising to say the very least.

Who in there right mind would come in at this stage of the season?
I can tell you now our backroom team does not come cheap.

Would Big Deegans step up to the plate?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 12, 2017, 08:31:59 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 12, 2017, 07:52:38 PM
Agree with wobbler and whitegoodman

Yes we are far from a top 8-10 team but for goodness sake Fermanagh and now Clare which is pretty demoralising to say the very least.

Who in there right mind would come in at this stage of the season?
I can tell you now our backroom team does not come cheap.

Would Big Deegans step up to the plate?
Promise made to wife- I will not attend another away game until the McKenna Cup 2018. Promise to myself -I will not attend another game until June in the Marshes..
     A puncture on the way down and got stuck at the Toll at Drogheda with a clown from Louth who had no change for the Toll.No attendant came for about 15 mins while the traffic built up behind us.F-ckin waste of a day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2017, 08:44:05 PM
It is tough to be referring to Burns in the past tense but great players sadly do not necessarily make great managers. His body language against Fermanagh indicated that he knew his time was nearly up but he probably thought that it was worth another roll of the dice against Clare who were in D3 last year. The result today may well have been decided when they scored a goal with their first real attack and the reports suggest that only our keeper prevented a complete hammering.

Most people will be expecting another collapse when Meath, who had a massive win over Derry today, come to Newry in a fortnight, and the gap should provide an opportunity for some serious thinking to take place. Walking away at this stage of the season would not be easy but hanging on to supervise a further grim series of defeats in front of increasingly disgruntled supporters would be the wrong call.

Deegan has yet to manage the u21s in a competitive match, and, with his championship date barely a month away, it would be unfair to turn to him. James has apparently been putting in a huge effort with the minors and will not want to ditch them now.

Big Paddy is a calmer and much more experienced figure than when he last stepped in, and, as he is already working with the county board, there must a fair chance he will get the call.

There are very few other obvious options, and something needs to happen sooner rather than later. Down fans will know that relegation is almost certain already but we have to be given at least some hope before the championship comes around.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 12, 2017, 09:17:16 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2017, 08:44:05 PM
It is tough to be referring to Burns in the past tense but great players sadly do not necessarily make great managers. His body language against Fermanagh indicated that he knew his time was nearly up but he probably thought that it was worth another roll of the dice against Clare who were in D3 last year. The result today may well have been decided when they scored a goal with their first real attack and the reports suggest that only our keeper prevented a complete hammering.

Most people will be expecting another collapse when Meath, who had a massive win over Derry today, come to Newry in a fortnight, and the gap should provide an opportunity for some serious thinking to take place. Walking away at this stage of the season would not be easy but hanging on to supervise a further grim series of defeats in front of increasingly disgruntled supporters would be the wrong call.

Deegan has yet to manage the u21s in a competitive match, and, with his championship date barely a month away, it would be unfair to turn to him. James has apparently been putting in a huge effort with the minors and will not want to ditch them now.

Big Paddy is a calmer and much more experienced figure than when he last stepped in, and, as he is already working with the county board, there must a fair chance he will get the call.

There are very few other obvious options, and something needs to happen sooner rather than later. Down fans will know that relegation is almost certain already but we have to be given at least some hope before the championship comes around.
MourneRover,you appear to be following the usual options by mentioning previous All-Ireland winners.Deegan is untried.James's CV in his last years with us and his record in Queens the past few years wasn't great and Paddy is with Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 12, 2017, 09:18:46 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 12, 2017, 09:17:16 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2017, 08:44:05 PM
It is tough to be referring to Burns in the past tense but great players sadly do not necessarily make great managers. His body language against Fermanagh indicated that he knew his time was nearly up but he probably thought that it was worth another roll of the dice against Clare who were in D3 last year. The result today may well have been decided when they scored a goal with their first real attack and the reports suggest that only our keeper prevented a complete hammering.

Most people will be expecting another collapse when Meath, who had a massive win over Derry today, come to Newry in a fortnight, and the gap should provide an opportunity for some serious thinking to take place. Walking away at this stage of the season would not be easy but hanging on to supervise a further grim series of defeats in front of increasingly disgruntled supporters would be the wrong call.

Deegan has yet to manage the u21s in a competitive match, and, with his championship date barely a month away, it would be unfair to turn to him. James has apparently been putting in a huge effort with the minors and will not want to ditch them now.

Big Paddy is a calmer and much more experienced figure than when he last stepped in, and, as he is already working with the county board, there must a fair chance he will get the call.

There are very few other obvious options, and something needs to happen sooner rather than later. Down fans will know that relegation is almost certain already but we have to be given at least some hope before the championship comes around.
MourneRover,you appear to be following the usual options by mentioning previous All-Ireland winners.Deegan is untried.James's CV in his last years with us and his record in Queens the past few years wasn't great and Paddy is with Burren.
Ps. I don't know who is an option.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 12, 2017, 09:32:40 PM
That's the problem Wobbler, we would be very limited in our options at this stage even just to see out the season.

I'd have James back in a heartbeat but think he wants to concentrate on the minors for a few years before going back to seniors, Paddy is with Burren as you say as well as the development squads so that leaves Deegans and Walsh.  I'd be surprised if they wouldn't take it if asked and it could act as a trial run for them if things were to improve.

It's all hypothetical at this stage and it feels very un-GAA to be calling for people's head during the season but we are now at desperate times
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on February 12, 2017, 09:34:28 PM
Would Brian McIvor take the job.

Has familiarity with Down football. And obviously his son has the experience with Kilcoo.
Players loved him in 2010.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 12, 2017, 09:42:24 PM
Good call but unlikely I'd say
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 12, 2017, 09:43:20 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on February 12, 2017, 09:34:28 PM
Would Brian McIvor take the job.

Has familiarity with Down football. And obviously his son has the experience with Kilcoo.
Players loved him in 2010.

Good shout, although isn't he director of football in Derry at the minute?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 12, 2017, 09:46:36 PM
520 miles, tolls, admission, programme, tae agus sarneys to see us stuffed by Clare. Probably about £100 although Ennis is a great town but when the Clare people are feeling sorry for you ,not sure if this is the Down Way I want.
Make no mistake, a difference of two goals masks a huge difference between the teams. They took off their star man Gary Brennan SEVEN minutes in to the second half before proceeding to empty their bench, safe in the knowledge that the game was in the bag after 15 minutes.
They knew, as we all did, that our confidence was brittle and clearly Burns, Murray, Colgan, Collins, Sloan and Brannigan ( as identified in the programme) had learned nothing from last week's humiliation. So they went at us from the start and rather than take easy points they clearly went for an early goal. Now we could see that from the stand and if ever you wanted a sweeper to steady things , this was the time. But no- the management missed that as well and while it took a silly misplaced  pass to lose possession, the first goal signalled the end to any chance we had.
The second one came when Conaill McGovern got bottled up just before half time although I don't blame him as Clare saw the vulnerability of Down's 'work the ball out' strategy, and there could have been other goals if there hadn't been some heroic defending. Cue a management meeting on the field, with County Secretary in attendance, while the players trudged off 10 points down. WTF?
Conor Maginn worked hard in the second half, Ryan Johnstone, Peter Turley and Kevin McKernan all brought something to the party so why did they not start in a critical game ? Donal Hughes wasted his afternoon on the bench again when he could have been hurling to prevent a bad beating in Trim,
If the Clare FM commentator thought Mooney was good they must have seen something I didn't; it's clear that he and most of the players don't have confidence in the management. To be fair Darren O'Hagan, Reid, the midfielders and particularly Shay Millar tried hard but it's the end my friend and if someone doesn't stop the rot we will follow Westmeath to Division 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on February 12, 2017, 09:53:13 PM
Think he might well be but if approached in the right way he might move, though don't think he would want to be the catalyst for Eamon getting pushed.

After watching Slaughtneill yesterday there might be some merit in considering Mickey Moran after Paddys day. Seems to go about his business with quiet efficiency.

Other thing to consider is that Eamon has made it clear to CB that he has a development plan that involves a bit of pain in early part of league, the selection for Meath will indicate either way.

Need to harness the drive and positivity of the kilcoo contingent and hope it rubs of on the rest but at minute it appears Management think otherwise
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2017, 09:56:42 PM
Wobbler, my post said that our u21 and minor managers were unlikely to step up, meaning that Paddy is one of our few available options. It is hardly an ideal one, as taking on club and county posts at the same time would be a big ask, but it would only be for a limited period and is clearly not impossible. As you acknowledge, alternative suggestions are in short supply.

Your criticisms of James are also harsh, as his overall record with Down was excellent and looks even better in retrospect. Even in his last season, when our squad was nothing special, he was capable of getting a championship draw in Omagh which should have been a win. It is unlikely that we would get within 12 points of Tyrone if we went back there this summer.

It is also worth noting that we have only played six championship matches at Croke Park since the open draw was introduced in 2001 and five of them were under James.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 12, 2017, 10:03:28 PM
Mickey Moran is also a great shout.Take Deegans and Walsh in with him
It's a long time since things have been this bad
Why did we not start with the team that ended the game?
It just doesn't add up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 12, 2017, 10:10:25 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2017, 09:56:42 PM
Wobbler, my post said that our u21 and minor managers were unlikely to step up, meaning that Paddy is one of our few available options. It is hardly an ideal one, as taking on club and county posts at the same time would be a big ask, but it would only be for a limited period and is clearly not impossible. As you acknowledge, alternative suggestions are in short supply.

Your criticisms of James are also harsh, as his overall record with Down was excellent and looks even better in retrospect. Even in his last season, when our squad was nothing special, he was capable of getting a championship draw in Omagh which should have been a win. It is unlikely that we would get within 12 points of Tyrone if we went back there this summer.

It is also worth noting that we have only played six championship matches at Croke Park since the open draw was introduced in 2001 and five of them were under James.

And the other one was a seven point beating at the hands of heavyweights Wexford.

I think Jame's last couple of years weren't bad. If you look at the teams we were beaten by in the championship from 2014 back to 2012, it was Tyrone, Kildare (2014), Donegal, Derry (playing them in Celtic Park for the second time in three games that summer) in 2013 and Donegal and Mayo in 2012 (AI finalists). No bad teams in that. 2012 league semi finalists also and managed to pick up 4 points in the league in 2013 in Div 1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 12, 2017, 10:20:12 PM
one thing is absolutely for sure... Wee James's last two seasons were much better than Wee Pete's. Time is a great healer but it's amazing how the past few seasons under Burns have made people forget about just how awful those final McGrath seasons were.

Anyhow the lack of viable options is the very reason the County Board should not act at this time (though I really wish they had have shown the same restraint / consideration  when moving McCorry along). I just find it so hard to believe that Eamon would want to continue. I doubt the players would even need to run a "coup" so much as have a quiet word.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 12, 2017, 10:24:40 PM
I'd have wee james or paddy o'rourke back in a heartbeat. One thing is for sure the current malaise cant be allowed to continue. we are nowhere near as bad as the current situation but unfortunately at the minute we are the laughing stock of the country and something needs to change. After going 11 league and championship games without a win I think its obvious that the current management isn't working. Change needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 12, 2017, 11:03:40 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 12, 2017, 10:24:40 PM
I'd have wee james or paddy o'rourke back in a heartbeat. One thing is for sure the current malaise cant be allowed to continue. we are nowhere near as bad as the current situation but unfortunately at the minute we are the laughing stock of the country and something needs to change. After going 11 league and championship games without a win I think its obvious that the current management isn't working. Change needed.
But will happen to some to the "paid"" help if Burns steps asides or is asked to leave?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 12, 2017, 11:22:07 PM
I take it that the whole package will step aside if they decide to go
Not much point 1 man stepping down and the rest staying
It's not as if Murray has added much
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on February 13, 2017, 12:48:06 AM
OK, it's clear that the current management will take us on an express train to division 3 (& then Div 4 if God forbid they stayed on) so the question arises as to whether the CB have the courage & leadership to stop this spiral of failure. I would say no because that would mean admitting they made a grievous mistake (something that seems to be beyond them) therefore the only catalyst for change will be the players. Hope they press their club chairman to pressurise the CB into action. We're at the stage that anything is better than what we have now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 13, 2017, 12:58:25 AM
Frank Dawson is also another option
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 13, 2017, 09:36:35 AM
Quote from: downjim on February 13, 2017, 12:58:25 AM
Frank Dawson is also another option
Another journey man to replace the bundle of them that are there at present.Go ask Tullylish,Rostrevor and Saul and see their views on three of the leading lights of our current set-up and ask what these men have done for their respective Clubs both on the field and out of the Bank Account? Dawson is similar this past 3 or 4 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 13, 2017, 10:50:24 AM
What or who is your suggestion then Samfever?

I have to say its bloody surreal to see all the chat around this in here.
The whole thing is a disgrace on so many levels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 13, 2017, 11:39:47 AM
Quote from: downjim on February 13, 2017, 12:58:25 AM
Frank Dawson is also another option

you have lost the right to add further to the debate with that suggestion  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 13, 2017, 11:40:18 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 13, 2017, 11:39:47 AM
Quote from: downjim on February 13, 2017, 12:58:25 AM
Frank Dawson is also another option

you have lost the right to add further to the debate with that suggestion  :o

Some genius on Hoganstand was suggesting Jody Gormley.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on February 13, 2017, 12:22:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 13, 2017, 11:56:36 AM
Antrim tried both of those boys......

Which is exactly where Down are headed. Anyone who thinks a change of management is the answer probably thinks you can stand on top of Mount Etna and put it out with a fire hose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cb66 on February 13, 2017, 12:39:05 PM
Didn't think it could get worse after last Saturday against Fermanagh but at half time of yesterday's game it was certainly a new low. Picked up in second half although not sure whether it was due to us or the fact Clare flooded their bench and played the last 35 in 4th gear. Really unsure why the likes of Ryan Johnstone, Kevin McKernan, Darragh O'Hanlon didn't start the game. Even more unsure why someone like Mark Poland didn't travel with the squad unless there was an injury involved of course. I like both Aidan Carr and Flynn, they work hard and are good honest footballers who give it all but it's clear to see midfield is not their positions and they would both be better suited in half back or half forward lines.
Has to be the end of the road for Burns although no point wishing for any coach of any note. Hate to say it, and even though they aren't going great guns at the minute themselves, I am not looking forward to Armagh in the marshes at this rate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on February 13, 2017, 12:42:15 PM
Quote from: passedit on February 13, 2017, 12:22:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 13, 2017, 11:56:36 AM
Antrim tried both of those boys......

Which is exactly where Down are headed. Anyone who thinks a change of management is the answer probably thinks you can stand on top of Mount Etna and put it out with a fire hose.

Agreed, likly to be Division 3 and possibly 4. A big problem nowis that confidence is shot and there is a lack of experience both on the line and on the field to correct it. A change in manager may or may not help but it is pretty clear that the management are out of their depth at intercounty level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 13, 2017, 12:45:58 PM
Youthful and Energetic manager is what Down need. Players need an arm round them told the potential they have... Don't know if anyone seen the Image that Derry GAA posted on Twitter, the catchment area of Slaughtneil to St Vincents, all about instilling belief in Players. And fans leaving 10/15 minutes a match is over doesn't f'n help.. Me personally having been to a few of his coaching days and watched him on the sideline.. Although he seems to have his critics on this board, Poacher be my shout
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 13, 2017, 12:47:24 PM
Don't..just don't.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on February 13, 2017, 01:13:44 PM
My word.....Coaching days now, so thats the mark of a good manager?

Everyone is talking about who is going to replace the manager but he hasn't gone yet lads. God only knows what the County Board will do anyway after the bizzare decisions around the management ousting/appointing in the last 18 months.

The only hope is that the minors and Under 21s can make a major improvement on previous years. We finally get a home championship game and against our greatest rivals (soon to be replaced by Antrim) and we should be chomping at the bit but instead its all about hoping that we won't get a hammering.

I loathe to criticise the input of volunteers and amateur players but we must have one of the worst Senior County Football setups in the country and as harsh as this sounds it is backed up by results and the fact that there are a lot of players who will not commit. 


   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 13, 2017, 01:15:49 PM
Quote from: passedit on February 13, 2017, 12:22:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 13, 2017, 11:56:36 AM
Antrim tried both of those boys......

Which is exactly where Down are headed. Anyone who thinks a change of management is the answer probably thinks you can stand on top of Mount Etna and put it out with a fire hose.

Maybe you're right passedit.

But from time to time everything in this world needs a quick fix before it can be attended to properly.

Our senior county players need a shot in the arm. Basically they need a win or else they will free fall, head down in D3. Maybe if we ride this out for another few weeks that win will happen naturally. But there's not much evidence of that happening. It looks like the stimulation needs to come from outside.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 13, 2017, 01:41:46 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on February 13, 2017, 10:50:24 AM
What or who is your suggestion then Samfever?

I have to say its bloody surreal to see all the chat around this in here.
The whole thing is a disgrace on so many levels.
Either of the Jim's.McGuinness or Gavin of which there is no chance.

Time for an Emergency meeting of our County Board.We cannot stand idly by
at this time! Heads need to roll either voluntarily or by the democratic process.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 13, 2017, 01:42:16 PM
quick question.....

who were the two best midfielders in the all county division 1 last season ?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on February 13, 2017, 01:53:42 PM
Lads...the state Down football at the minute is all down to the county board. First of all, the counties finances are a mess, haven't a pot to piss in and we all know the reasons why.

Eamon Burns by all accounts is a genuinely nice fella, heard this from many a person but is in no way a senior county manager. Nothing on his record as a club manager stands out and he should never have got the job in the first. Probably doesn't rock the boat with the county board, which they are happy with.

The way Jim McCorry was pushed to the side was a disgrace. Gets Down to the 1st Division in his first season, all be it with a bit of luck. The Championship was a tough one but done enough to suggest that he should have got another year. If McCorry was still in charge, our prospects would be a lot better.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on February 13, 2017, 01:58:09 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 13, 2017, 01:42:16 PM
quick question.....

who were the two best midfielders in the all county division 1 last season ?

Dan Gordon is still the best midfielder in the county and is by a country mile even at 33/34. Not sure anyone in Div 1 would come close.

Peter Turley and Aidan Carr who are now well into their 30's are considered the counties best available midfielders. They wouldn't even have gotten close to selection at midfield several years ago, yet now in the twilight of their intercounty careers, they are being asked to play midfield.

Jonathan Flynn who has played all year at midfield, I don't believe  has ever played midfield for his club. Flynn has years on his side at 22 and hopefully with experience can be molded into a good inter-county player, but I would see him as more of a half-back/defensive half forward than a midfielder at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on February 13, 2017, 02:07:25 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 13, 2017, 01:42:16 PM
quick question.....

who were the two best midfielders in the all county division 1 last season ?

Niall Mc Parland and Cathal Magee when he played there .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cb66 on February 13, 2017, 02:09:26 PM
Dan Gordon and Niall McParland would be the dream. Two big, mobile fellas who can play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 13, 2017, 11:17:40 PM
I think we need more than a midfield.The forward line in general is poor.
How many of the current panel would start for Tyrone?Mckernan Johnstone?
Have the county players met up tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointman2 on February 14, 2017, 12:02:02 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on February 13, 2017, 11:40:18 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 13, 2017, 11:39:47 AM
Quote from: downjim on February 13, 2017, 12:58:25 AM
Frank Dawson is also another option

you have lost the right to add further to the debate with that suggestion  :o

Some genius on Hoganstand was suggesting Jody Gormley.
A mate from Armagh offered McGeeney as he may be available soon!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 14, 2017, 02:18:00 AM
Could Frank Dawson and Stevie Poacher work? Experience and youth combined
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 14, 2017, 08:42:55 AM
Quote from: interested on February 14, 2017, 01:55:51 AM
From the gospel that is the Irish News,Cahir has done his homework on this article,plenty of what must be insider info; I read the Irish News Stateside every night after the children go to bed.Down should enter the Connaught Championship and play us once a year.

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2017/02/14/news/cahair-o-kane-burns-can-t-be-excused-but-down-s-malaise-runs-much-deeper-931084/
It's hardly inside info when the world and their Granny know the issues except the the ones on the County Board.
  As for Downjim's suggestions.Say nothing.The 2 b's 'holland and 'martin,can hold them tight and don't let go PLEASE
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on February 14, 2017, 09:23:13 AM
Close to £500k was spent on co teams last year. We are effectively throwing money down the drain and spending as if we are going to win the All-Ireland. Would it not be prudent to scale this back for 2to3 years as the players obviously aren't there at the minute. In the mean time focus funding on the youth and sorting out the Burrenbridge fiasco?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on February 14, 2017, 09:53:51 AM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on February 14, 2017, 09:23:13 AM
Close to £500k was spent on co teams last year. We are effectively throwing money down the drain and spending as if we are going to win the All-Ireland. Would it not be prudent to scale this back for 2to3 years as the players obviously aren't there at the minute. In the mean time focus funding on the youth and sorting out the Burrenbridge fiasco?

I'd say that's what the Burns appointment/reappointment and the local lads taking the senior hurlers is. I know the hurling lads aren't in it for the "expenses" like previous management teams.

As for Burrenbridge that's very much a long term thing and won't be resolved over a 5 or 10 year period.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on February 14, 2017, 10:17:29 AM
I believe Burrenbridge is due to be paid off in 2027.

In comparsion to Down, Tipperary spent €1m in 2016 and won the All Ireland in hurling at senior and minor and in football their seniors got to the Mumster Final and All Ireland Semi Final.

To run a Minor training session in Down it costs £850 per night. We are throwing money down the drain and the Co Board is to blame.

I understand at the Convention when questions where asked about team expenses, they were told any questions like that should have tabled in advance and they couldn't answer the delegates question. The financial report wasn't shown to delegates in advance so how can they ask a question prior to seeing the details?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 14, 2017, 10:35:17 AM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on February 14, 2017, 10:17:29 AM
I believe Burrenbridge is due to be paid off in 2027.

In comparsion to Down, Tipperary spent €1m in 2016 and won the All Ireland in hurling at senior and minor and in football their seniors got to the Mumster Final and All Ireland Semi Final.

To run a Minor training session in Down it costs £850 per night. We are throwing money down the drain and the Co Board is to blame.

I understand at the Convention when questions where asked about team expenses, they were told any questions like that should have tabled in advance and they couldn't answer the delegates question. The financial report wasn't shown to delegates in advance so how can they ask a question prior to seeing the details?

A minor training session will involve:

- hiring a pitch with floodlights (certainly in Feb and March) for a 2 hour slot.
- a physio
- at least 2 minibuses, one heading along the coast, the other up or down the county.
- hot meals for 35-40 people (squad, mgt).

It really doesn't take long to add up to £850. Try cutting corners from it where you want, but you won't be able to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 14, 2017, 10:37:34 AM
Any truth in Ross Carr being brought into the senior management set up. ? Supposedly it was mentioned on rte news this morning?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on February 14, 2017, 10:38:50 AM
Quote from: interested on February 14, 2017, 01:55:51 AM
From the gospel that is the Irish News,Cahir has done his homework on this article,plenty of what must be insider info; I read the Irish News Stateside every night after the children go to bed.Down should enter the Connaught Championship and play us once a year.

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2017/02/14/news/cahair-o-kane-burns-can-t-be-excused-but-down-s-malaise-runs-much-deeper-931084/

And now Declan Bogue sheds more light on Sunday's shenanigans(albeit with some dodgy details) http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/down-facing-mass-walkout-as-players-lose-faith-in-management-35449381.html
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 14, 2017, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on February 14, 2017, 09:23:13 AM
Close to £500k was spent on co teams last year. We are effectively throwing money down the drain and spending as if we are going to win the All-Ireland. Would it not be prudent to scale this back for 2to3 years as the players obviously aren't there at the minute. In the mean time focus funding on the youth and sorting out the Burrenbridge fiasco?
This was undoubtedly part of the decision-making process that saw McCorry leave and Burns arrive. When I say "undoubtedly", it's because it's genuinely tough to find other potential reasons.

The problem is that you can't do a county football squad on the cheap. Don't get me wrong, the elite managers will take a bigger brown envelope, and they'll demand a number of other effectively full time salaries.

But at the end of the day, every county team, (even one being run on a budget) needs:

- pitches
- gym facilities
- playing equipment and training equipment
- meeting rooms
- travel expenses / mileage (to and from training)
- match travel expenses (buses, hotels)
- food after every session
- personal equipment (boots, gloves, etc. basically what the GPA demands)
- physios
- strength and conditioning coaches

Any half-serious county team is also going have direct access to video analysts, statisticians and nutritionists. I don't mean Dublin levels of 1-to-1 support, but there is always an entourage needed.

I haven't included costs here for trainers or team liaisons as I'd assume these can be got for relatively little (in comparison to paid physios, etc).

With the entourage on tow, a weekend away has a cost of 45 x (unit price). So it's £10k to go 3-starring in Kildare.

Add all of that up for a 6 month season (Jan-June), and you won't be long shaking a big six-figures from the money tree. And that's just for the senior county team. Not the under 21s, not the minors, or the dev squads. Not hurling.

But here's the problem with "on the cheap". If a county team is struggling, it will also struggle to gain sponsors, and struggle to convince players that it's worth parking their lives for.  The knock-on effect of those things is then passed on from generation to generation.

Giving an extra £30k a year to a man who can coordinate all of the above might actually be a cost saving.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on February 14, 2017, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 14, 2017, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on February 14, 2017, 09:23:13 AM
Close to £500k was spent on co teams last year. We are effectively throwing money down the drain and spending as if we are going to win the All-Ireland. Would it not be prudent to scale this back for 2to3 years as the players obviously aren't there at the minute. In the mean time focus funding on the youth and sorting out the Burrenbridge fiasco?
This was undoubtedly part of the decision-making process that saw McCorry leave and Burns arrive. When I say "undoubtedly", it's because it's genuinely tough to find other potential reasons.

The problem is that you can't do a county football squad on the cheap. Don't get me wrong, the elite managers will take a bigger brown envelope, and they'll demand a number of other effectively full time salaries.

But at the end of the day, every county team, (even one being run on a budget) needs:

- pitches
- gym facilities
- playing equipment and training equipment
- meeting rooms
- travel expenses / mileage (to and from training)
- match travel expenses (buses, hotels)
- food after every session
- personal equipment (boots, gloves, etc. basically what the GPA demands)
- physios
- strength and conditioning coaches

Any half-serious county team is also going have direct access to video analysts, statisticians and nutritionists. I don't mean Dublin levels of 1-to-1 support, but there is always an entourage needed.

I haven't included costs here for trainers or team liaisons as I'd assume these can be got for relatively little (in comparison to paid physios, etc).

With the entourage on tow, a weekend away has a cost of 45 x (unit price). So it's £10k to go 3-starring in Kildare.

Add all of that up for a 6 month season (Jan-June), and you won't be long shaking a big six-figures from the money tree. And that's just for the senior county team. Not the under 21s, not the minors, or the dev squads. Not hurling.

But here's the problem with "on the cheap". If a county team is struggling, it will also struggle to gain sponsors, and struggle to convince players that it's worth parking their lives for.  The knock-on effect of those things is then passed on from generation to generation.

Giving an extra £30k a year to a man who can coordinate all of the above might actually be a cost saving.

Appreciate your points wobbler, but when the money isn't there, in my opinion you just don't keeping spending especially when your getting nowhere.

In relation to the team expenses when the clubs asked the Co Board at convention for a breakdown of what the team expenses were for, they were basically told to mind their own business
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 14, 2017, 11:35:12 AM
From the independent.ie

Down's season threatens to go from bad to worse, with a number of players understood to be considering walking away from Eamonn Burns' squad, following a number of walkouts last week.
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The Mourne county are already in turmoil after losing their opening two National League fixtures, to Fermanagh by nine points and Clare by six; they are bottom of Division 2 with an in-form Meath coming next to Newry.
After the Clare defeat, a number of Kilcoo players did not travel home on the team bus and there is rumour that their actions could be met with punishment.

This follows Thursday night's training session where a player-walkout followed the announcement of the team to play in Ennis.
Turmoil within teams is not unusual, but mid-season heaves are rare. However, it appears that the feeling in Down could be strong enough that stormy days lie ahead for the playing panel, management and county board.

Already, Damian Turley - brother of vice-captain Peter - Ryan Mallon and Gary McMahon have departed the panel, citing dissatisfaction with the management team.
It is understood that the Kilcoo contingent have already consulted with their club manager Paul McIver on whether to remain with the county, with McIver urging them to stay.

The defeat in Ennis also brought an embarrassing scene at half-time with a county board member witnessed having an argument with members of the management team.
Afterwards, while the Clare team went into a huddle on the pitch, the Down players could not be convinced to do the same, making for the dressing-rooms.

The loss on Sunday made it 14 straight defeats for Down in League and Championship, since they beat Laois in a Division 2 fixture on April 5, 2015.
That win brought them back to the top flight under Jim McCorry. However, after that, they lost the Division 2 final to Roscommon, before bowing out of the Ulster Championship with a narrow defeat to Derry, followed by a qualifiers exit to Wexford.

In the ensuing fall-out, the Down county executive recommended to the county board that McCorry and his management team should be voted out. McCorry survived the vote by delegates, but subsequently departed anyway, lamenting the lack of support from the executive.
Despite having plenty of time to choose McCorry's successor, the board only appointed Eamonn Burns on November 5 - without having a backroom team in place.

Since then, Down have gone through arguably their worst run of results, failing to win a single game in Division 1 last year and ending up with the worst scoring difference in all four leagues on minus 60.
In the Ulster Championship, Down slumped to a record defeat in Clones at the hands of Monaghan.

There has also been disquiet among the panel at the treatment of respected players.
Conor Laverty was not recalled after captaining the side in 2015. Mark Poland, considered one of the better forwards in the province, has yet to make a match-day panel of 26. Niall Madine has not been brought back despite showing good form for Queen's in the McKenna Cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 14, 2017, 05:22:01 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 14, 2017, 11:35:12 AM
From the independent.ie

Down's season threatens to go from bad to worse, with a number of players understood to be considering walking away from Eamonn Burns' squad, following a number of walkouts last week.
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The Mourne county are already in turmoil after losing their opening two National League fixtures, to Fermanagh by nine points and Clare by six; they are bottom of Division 2 with an in-form Meath coming next to Newry.
After the Clare defeat, a number of Kilcoo players did not travel home on the team bus and there is rumour that their actions could be met with punishment.

This follows Thursday night's training session where a player-walkout followed the announcement of the team to play in Ennis.
Turmoil within teams is not unusual, but mid-season heaves are rare. However, it appears that the feeling in Down could be strong enough that stormy days lie ahead for the playing panel, management and county board.

Already, Damian Turley - brother of vice-captain Peter - Ryan Mallon and Gary McMahon have departed the panel, citing dissatisfaction with the management team.
It is understood that the Kilcoo contingent have already consulted with their club manager Paul McIver on whether to remain with the county, with McIver urging them to stay.

The defeat in Ennis also brought an embarrassing scene at half-time with a county board member witnessed having an argument with members of the management team.
Afterwards, while the Clare team went into a huddle on the pitch, the Down players could not be convinced to do the same, making for the dressing-rooms.

The loss on Sunday made it 14 straight defeats for Down in League and Championship, since they beat Laois in a Division 2 fixture on April 5, 2015.
That win brought them back to the top flight under Jim McCorry. However, after that, they lost the Division 2 final to Roscommon, before bowing out of the Ulster Championship with a narrow defeat to Derry, followed by a qualifiers exit to Wexford.

In the ensuing fall-out, the Down county executive recommended to the county board that McCorry and his management team should be voted out. McCorry survived the vote by delegates, but subsequently departed anyway, lamenting the lack of support from the executive.
Despite having plenty of time to choose McCorry's successor, the board only appointed Eamonn Burns on November 5 - without having a backroom team in place.

Since then, Down have gone through arguably their worst run of results, failing to win a single game in Division 1 last year and ending up with the worst scoring difference in all four leagues on minus 60.
In the Ulster Championship, Down slumped to a record defeat in Clones at the hands of Monaghan.

There has also been disquiet among the panel at the treatment of respected players.
Conor Laverty was not recalled after captaining the side in 2015. Mark Poland, considered one of the better forwards in the province, has yet to make a match-day panel of 26. Niall Madine has not been brought back despite showing good form for Queen's in the McKenna Cup.
Madine must have got a transfer from UUJ to Queens :D
   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on February 14, 2017, 05:43:05 PM
The whole fricking  thing's  cowped I tell ye, cowped
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 14, 2017, 10:22:18 PM
Lots of crazy stuff in today's press and I would say half it made up by the journalists
All these so called big players to come back haven't really set the world alight in a county jersey
Yes we have better players on the bench but these are the same players who didn't win a game last year
Our last competitive win was at home to Laois in early April 2015.A full 22 months
10 league matches
4 championship matches
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 14, 2017, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: Down4sam2020 on February 14, 2017, 10:19:07 PM
Down football is currently not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Down has always been a division two team since 08, they got beat in the 2010 league final by Ulster champions ,Armagh and In a few months come September  they were in the all Ireland final. This goes to show us that there is still potential with this x5 winning county and things can be turned around no matter the circumstances. I feel if down Keep their current management and stick to their game plan, Sam maguire will be back in the Mournes sooner rather than later.

😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 14, 2017, 10:45:35 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 14, 2017, 10:22:18 PM
Lots of crazy stuff in today's press and I would say half it made up by the journalists
All these so called big players to come back haven't really set the world alight in a county jersey
Yes we have better players on the bench but these are the same players who didn't win a game last year
Our last competitive win was at home to Laois in early April 2015.A full 22 months
10 league matches
4 championship matches

which bits do you reckon are made up? the players on the bench would be starting on everybodys best 'down 15'. these are the same players that have won the last 5 county championships and ran slaughneil close in the ulster final, they are battle hardened and are used to winning at club level. how mark poland, paul devlin and niall madine cant even make the squad is beyond me. nobodys saying we are going to be challenging for ulsters or all irelands but we are better than this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 14, 2017, 10:49:20 PM
Fair enough good point
Yes I would also have those 3 on the panel.
Any reason why they were excluded from the match Day squad?
Maybe they are injured or just back onto the squad???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on February 14, 2017, 10:54:18 PM
Kilcoo would be better entering the Ulster championship , top solid defence, good forwards and passionate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 14, 2017, 11:03:18 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 14, 2017, 10:49:20 PM
Fair enough good point
Yes I would also have those 3 on the panel.
Any reason why they were excluded from the match Day squad?
Maybe they are injured or just back onto the squad???
any reason they are not in squad?? Not selected by the management. Deemed to be not needed. Polie has been training with down since xmas but hasnt made a squad yet, madine despite being impressive in the sigerson hasnt been asked back into the squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Verticalball on February 14, 2017, 11:41:09 PM
As things stand folks there is a serious issue regarding selection and inability to keep players onboard. Think back to last summer when Alan Davidson had to practically beg for a Down call up through the media or go to Antrim. Add to that the manner in which the Marty Clarke situation has been handled and what appears to be a new revelation in these recent articles that Laverty would have been open to returning had he been asked. Other players such as Damien Turley and Danny Savage must be completely disillusioned and will weaken the panel further by their absence. Player unavailability has to be considered of course but a manager / management should recognise that their job is to get everyone onboard and champing at the bit to pull on the jersey.

A good manager knows that he needs his best players available and should be doing his utmost to pull together the best panel possible. Now I am not a man with much managerial experience however some of the best managers I played under were successful because of their ability to man-manage. I would have run through walls for some because they focussed on each and every player. Result was that every member of the panel knew that the team would be picked on merit, we had the best players available and we were a united as a team. Now if I am Marty Clarke and willing to make myself available where possible, while recognising that I have an illness which will limit my ability to be the player I was in the past, a good man-manager would have me involved in some capacity. Even if it is as a twenty minute cameo or a role model for younger players, players who would have watched the 2010 final as young lads. Likewise if I am Conor Laverty or Dan Gordon and struggling to commit to training 5 days a week (especially in Newry but thats another matter) surely there has to be some accommodation? Therein lies the problem folks - no point talking about leaving such players behind while a 32 year old Aidan Carr, as committed a county player as you could find, is suddenly being asked to be the lynchpin of the side from midfield when he has never played there at county level.  I for one would be thanking Eamonn Burns for his efforts and asking either wee James or Paddy O'Rourke to take over for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on February 14, 2017, 11:42:40 PM
First of all can everyone please stop talking about Niall madine. He is overweight and simply not good enough to play county football. A good performance or two for a university team isn't something to get carried away with.

Our county team are in a bad way at the minute and we all know Eamon Burns is not the right man for the job but to get rid of him at this stage of the season would just be a pointless exercise. What would it achieve? Yes it looks like we will get relegated to division 3 but what quality manager would want to take the down senior job at this stage of the season? A fresh start is what is needed and maybe starting in division 3 is as good as anywhere to start

Management is not even our biggest problem. Our big problem is a lot of the best footballers in the county will not commit themselves to the cause. If Jim McCorry had of got the commitment of players we wouldn't be in the mess we are at the minute. And that issue has only got worse since then. We could all list players who are good enough to wear the down jersey but for one reason or another do not make themselves available. We will only get ourselves our of this mess with the best 30+ footballers in the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Verticalball on February 15, 2017, 12:09:25 AM
Niall Madine is and has shown himself to be capable of playing county football. Speak to anyone outside of Down, especially those who have watched him at Jordanstown and they are amazed that he is not involved. He would certainly strengthen the team. In terms of management being the least of our problems, I understand that view but it an obvious area to start. Would take a bold decision now  to have a change in management, someone come in who can restore a bit of pride and set up for next year but I would rather see that than Burns and co being humiliated for the duration of the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on February 15, 2017, 12:29:05 AM
When has he shown himself to be capable of playing county football? Sigerson is certainly not the same as county. And i know things are bad but I'd like to think we'd be looking for players that are a bit more than "capable"

I did not say management was the least of our problems, I said we need a change but not now. Who is this someone that could or would come in at this stage to restore a bit of pride?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Verticalball on February 15, 2017, 07:31:32 AM
I take it that you have seen Madine play county football before? If you had you would know that he is certainly one of a few who would as I say strengthen the team. A few good oerformances for Jordanstown are enough for me yes, how many Down forwards would  make the Jordanstown team?
If you read my earlier post you'll see that I suggested wee James or Paddy O'Rourke as people who could come in. Now I'll not hold my breath on that but both would be an improvement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on February 15, 2017, 08:57:22 AM
Is M Clarke available? I watched him against my own club Loughinisland last season and he absolutely destroyed us on his own and he looked as good as he was in 2010.

When speaking before the Fermanagh on Setanta he mentioned his illness but also mentioned the change in managers, if his illness was the sole reason for not playing why he did he mention the change in mangers?

Is it a matter of, if you don't do 5 sessions a week we don't want you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 15, 2017, 09:15:26 AM
Lads I would forget about marty Clarke and Niall Madine as they are clearly not in this current managements plans so we should concentrate on the lads who are now part of the panel.
I would be more concerned about why R Johnstone,McKernan,Poland,Devlin,O Hanlon and Turley not start against Clare on Sunday after a poor performance from a lot of players the previous week?
That is the most worrying thing about this management that they could not see that the above players would strengthen the team.
O Hanlon and Mckernan in defence.Turley midfield.Poland Johnstone Devlin in the forward line
I would love to know why they did not start especially after the manager coming out after the Fermanagh game and stating that starting 6 new Boys was a mistake.Then adds Donnelly and Mooney to the team which is hardly going to change things
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on February 15, 2017, 10:17:24 AM
Would kilcoo beat the current down team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 15, 2017, 10:18:40 AM
Yes
Burren would beat them too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on February 15, 2017, 11:44:08 AM
I see we've moved on a few stages in the GAA  Kübler-Ross model.


Etna smoulders on.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 15, 2017, 11:47:46 AM
Quote from: passedit on February 15, 2017, 11:44:08 AM
I see we've moved on a few stages in the GAA  Kübler-Ross model.


  • Change the management. 
  • Pine for Unavailable players.
  • Invest previously undiscovered ability in same.
  • Proclaim specific club team could do better.

Etna smoulders on.

I think you might be waiting a while for the final stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 15, 2017, 12:05:20 PM
Irish News reporting Burns had a row with a County Board official?? We really are becoming the joke of Gaelic Football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 15, 2017, 12:35:56 PM
Old news mourne red where have you been?
A full scale argument on the side of the pitch at half time with a county board official and management
I take it the county board official was telling him to get Maginn Mckernan O Hanlon Johnstone etc on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on February 15, 2017, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on February 15, 2017, 11:47:46 AM
Quote from: passedit on February 15, 2017, 11:44:08 AM
I see we've moved on a few stages in the GAA  Kübler-Ross model.


  • Change the management. 
  • Pine for Unavailable players.
  • Invest previously undiscovered ability in same.
  • Proclaim specific club team could do better.

Etna smoulders on.

I think you might be waiting a while for the final stage.

I'm there already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EH1G4EwljM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EH1G4EwljM)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 15, 2017, 03:16:54 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 15, 2017, 12:35:56 PM
Old news mourne red where have you been?
A full scale argument on the side of the pitch at half time with a county board official and management
I take it the county board official was telling him to get Maginn Mckernan O Hanlon Johnstone etc on
who was the CB Official? The man in the hat?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 15, 2017, 05:04:48 PM
Quote from: passedit on February 15, 2017, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on February 15, 2017, 11:47:46 AM
Quote from: passedit on February 15, 2017, 11:44:08 AM
I see we've moved on a few stages in the GAA  Kübler-Ross model.


  • Change the management. 
  • Pine for Unavailable players.
  • Invest previously undiscovered ability in same.
  • Proclaim specific club team could do better.

Etna smoulders on.

I think you might be waiting a while for the final stage.

I'm there already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EH1G4EwljM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EH1G4EwljM)

Hard to argue with that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 15, 2017, 05:09:13 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 15, 2017, 12:05:20 PM
Irish News reporting Burns had a row with a County Board official?? We really are becoming the joke of Gaelic Football

Actually, the Irish News is reporting the opposite; i.e. Sean Rooney denying the report in the Independent that there was a row with a County Board official.
I believe the Chairman is telling the truth; while the man in the hat was in a meeting with management team at halftime, I saw no evidence of a row- unless someone who was in the huddle is leaking information that there was a row.
Passedit, I think you are on the money with the reference to Kubler Ross; the five stages are; denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. Unfortunately the county executive and management are still between one and two; the rest of us are between four and five.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 15, 2017, 05:20:30 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on February 15, 2017, 05:09:13 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 15, 2017, 12:05:20 PM
Irish News reporting Burns had a row with a County Board official?? We really are becoming the joke of Gaelic Football

Actually, the Irish News is reporting the opposite; i.e. Sean Rooney denying the report in the Independent that there was a row with a County Board official.
I believe the Chairman is telling the truth; while the man in the hat was in a meeting with management team at halftime, I saw no evidence of a row- unless someone who was in the huddle is leaking information that there was a row.
Passedit, I think you are on the money with the reference to Kubler Ross; the five stages are; denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. Unfortunately the county executive and management are still between one and two; the rest of us are between four and five.
Dubh driocht, you were there.Did you see anything?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on February 15, 2017, 06:51:03 PM
I think I have said before and happy to repeat myself - is there anyone who would want to take the job? I believe that Eamon was the only man that would take it on at the time.
Regarding all the players that have been mentioned previously- is it possible that they haven't been taking part in all the training sessions? I don't know the answer, but it might explain why they aren't starting. Is it possible that the guys that are starting are the ones that have really knuckled down and worked hard in the preseason? Are the management putting out the message that if you bust your balls you will get a chance?
Im in no position to answer these questions and I'm in no way trying to defend the management, but it might be their way of getting the "stars" to work harder. Didn't Murray keep the lad McGarry on the bench when Colmans won the Hogan?
I agree with the Poster who said that M Clarke should be a special case. The lad has a condition that may not allow him to train every night for example- I think other players would buy into that. Likewise I think McCorry should have kept Benny Coulter as a special case. A county panel should appreciate that a man in his 30s shouldn't have to run about as much as a lad in his 20s
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 15, 2017, 10:11:17 PM
danny hughes on newstalk this evening....


Almost seven years ago, Down reached an All Ireland final, narrowly losing to Cork in the September 2010 Croke Park decider.

Fast forward to this year and the Allianz National Football League campaign is already beginning to look like a write off for a county that won All Irelands as recently as 1991 and 1994. The last Ulster title arrived back in 1994.

They are rock bottom of Division 2 after decisively losing their opening two matches to Clare and Fermanagh and it follows a 2016 championship when they were hammered by Monaghan in the Ulster championship and were eliminated in the first round of the qualifiers by Longford.

But what is at the heart of Down GAA's malaise?

Former Down footballer Danny Hughes joined Off The Ball to share is view on what's going on in the county.

He shared one anecdote to illustrate his point.

"The convention last year, there was a lovely couple of quips coming out of it like 'it's always darkest before the dawn'. That was one of them," he said.

"This year it's 'a rising tide lifts all boats'. So what they're doing is, before the meeting, they're Googling motivational quips and they're using these things as brilliant things to put out into the media. Absolutely fantastic sayings but a complete load of horsesh*t and excuse my language but that's the reality. People are fed up with it.

"Everybody has so much respect for what the '90s team's done and what the '60s team done and stuff like that. But slowly our legacy as a county is becoming a laughing stock.

"You can make an argument that we've - and I don't want to be disrespectful to Antrim - but we're sitting round about that type of level... Division 3, Division 4 type stuff. That's where we are."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on February 15, 2017, 11:14:08 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 15, 2017, 10:11:17 PM
danny hughes on newstalk this evening....


Almost seven years ago, Down reached an All Ireland final, narrowly losing to Cork in the September 2010 Croke Park decider.

Fast forward to this year and the Allianz National Football League campaign is already beginning to look like a write off for a county that won All Irelands as recently as 1991 and 1994. The last Ulster title arrived back in 1994.

They are rock bottom of Division 2 after decisively losing their opening two matches to Clare and Fermanagh and it follows a 2016 championship when they were hammered by Monaghan in the Ulster championship and were eliminated in the first round of the qualifiers by Longford.

But what is at the heart of Down GAA's malaise?

Former Down footballer Danny Hughes joined Off The Ball to share is view on what's going on in the county.

He shared one anecdote to illustrate his point.

"The convention last year, there was a lovely couple of quips coming out of it like 'it's always darkest before the dawn'. That was one of them," he said.

"This year it's 'a rising tide lifts all boats'. So what they're doing is, before the meeting, they're Googling motivational quips and they're using these things as brilliant things to put out into the media. Absolutely fantastic sayings but a complete load of horsesh*t and excuse my language but that's the reality. People are fed up with it.

"Everybody has so much respect for what the '90s team's done and what the '60s team done and stuff like that. But slowly our legacy as a county is becoming a laughing stock.

"You can make an argument that we've - and I don't want to be disrespectful to Antrim - but we're sitting round about that type of level... Division 3, Division 4 type stuff. That's where we are."

And your solution is Danny?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 16, 2017, 06:28:23 AM
Listened to most of the interview with Danny Hughes and Cahair O'Kane on Newstalk and there was a lot more than that said and some strong accusations thrown out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 16, 2017, 07:20:15 AM
That's what you call a no holds barred interview
To far?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 16, 2017, 08:00:44 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 16, 2017, 07:20:15 AM
That's what you call a no holds barred interview
To far?

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the machinations of the county board or the problems but from that little that I do know, I don't think so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 16, 2017, 10:25:24 AM
The worst thing is that this is all playing out in the pubic arena.
But maybe its what is needed. Maybe the hammer should be taken to the walnut and smashed to bits.

Blind Nostalgia, nepotism and total incompetence has ruined this county and will sadly continue to do so it seems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 16, 2017, 02:15:38 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on February 16, 2017, 08:00:44 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 16, 2017, 07:20:15 AM
That's what you call a no holds barred interview
To far?

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the machinations of the county board or the problems but from that little that I do know, I don't think so.
"Don't think so"what?I don't understand.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 16, 2017, 02:21:02 PM
It's going to be a tough few years ahead unless eamon can turn things around very quickly..

Was excited about the new club Down launch but like everything it sounds more exciting and then the reality of it hits home and they don't know the next step.
On the launch night you could not sign up as they hadn't yet set up different prices.
Anyone heard anything moving forward with club Down ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 16, 2017, 02:34:28 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 16, 2017, 02:15:38 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on February 16, 2017, 08:00:44 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 16, 2017, 07:20:15 AM
That's what you call a no holds barred interview
To far?

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the machinations of the county board or the problems but from that little that I do know, I don't think so.
"Don't think so"what?I don't understand.

The question was 'too far?'. The answer is 'I don't think so'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 16, 2017, 06:22:32 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 16, 2017, 07:20:15 AM
That's what you call a no holds barred interview
To far?
only got to hear all of the danny hughes interview today. it was good to hear him saying what every man on the street is saying and i dont think he went too far at all. dont think too many could argue with anything he or cahir o'kane said.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 16, 2017, 07:31:28 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on February 16, 2017, 02:34:28 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 16, 2017, 02:15:38 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on February 16, 2017, 08:00:44 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 16, 2017, 07:20:15 AM
That's what you call a no holds barred interview
To far?

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the machinations of the county board or the problems but from that little that I do know, I don't think so.
"Don't think so"what?I don't understand.

The question was 'too far?'. The answer is 'I don't think so'.
Gotcha now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 16, 2017, 10:00:29 PM
Can anyone confirm that big Downey from Drumgath availed of the January transfer window and moved to Bryansford?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on February 16, 2017, 10:18:09 PM
Unfortunately I think that may be true , still think he would be a good option for the county in their current state. Fast , good hands , accurate and a high work rate - a handful for any full back. Saying Niall Madine is not available and Paul Devlin has left - Packie could be an option.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 16, 2017, 10:31:37 PM
Don't know about the county but a big loss for Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 17, 2017, 10:52:47 AM
Quote from: Targetman on February 16, 2017, 10:00:29 PM
Can anyone confirm that big Downey from Drumgath availed of the January transfer window and moved to Bryansford?
Was there a fee involved?  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 17, 2017, 02:36:13 PM
Would put the Chinese clubs to shame ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 17, 2017, 05:05:44 PM
 Packie's father wont be happy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on February 17, 2017, 07:41:01 PM
PD interview on Hoganstand saying there's a lot of bull being talked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 17, 2017, 07:53:51 PM
A good bit of bull being talked alright but so much proper stuff being talked about too
The dogs in the street know whose picking the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on February 17, 2017, 09:46:08 PM
Who?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 17, 2017, 10:03:47 PM
Quote from: bannside on February 17, 2017, 09:46:08 PM
Who?
Yes Smurfy,tell us who?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 17, 2017, 10:04:39 PM
Quote from: bannside on February 17, 2017, 09:46:08 PM
Who?
a lot of people reckon 'the man in the hat' has too much say into team affairs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 17, 2017, 10:31:07 PM
Well if that's the case he's equally as bad as Burns, team selection is baffling and that's putting it mildly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: West Down Rover on February 17, 2017, 10:56:02 PM
Hi, fellow Down fans, I was away overseas and missed the recent Clare game and follow up.  Indeed am very disappointed for everyone. Lads at the match inform me that Clare took off a few good players for rest and only for that the result would have been far worst.  I am nearly convinced the current Management under Eamonn Burns are treating this as a Senior team 'Development Squad' and hence the reason why the strongest and most experienced team was not started. If this is the case they would need to explain themselves!
The Meath encounter will bring things to a head at close quarters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 17, 2017, 11:08:05 PM
Your nearly convinced, well I'm convinced that the current management team under Eamon Burns is totally out of their depth and unfortunately I don't see things changing, hope to feck I'm wrong!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointman2 on February 18, 2017, 01:35:10 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 17, 2017, 10:04:39 PM
Quote from: bannside on February 17, 2017, 09:46:08 PM
Who?
a lot of people reckon 'the man in the hat' has too much say into team affairs.
[/qeuote]
why would the man in the hat have anything to do with the team? Why is he even inside the wire? Well intentioned perhaps but .........?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: washed_up on February 18, 2017, 08:49:25 AM
While not being the greatest supporter of the current manager he nonetheless was an excellent player and we must be thankful he wore  both club and county jersey with distinction, and the fact that his management  experience is limited it must be said that The man with the hat' did neither
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on February 18, 2017, 09:16:46 AM
Who the f**k is this man in the hat? Does he have a name?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 18, 2017, 10:03:41 AM
Everybody knows the man with the hat
7-8 Down lads playing on the St Mary's panel today I see.I know the standard would not be as good as intercounty but surely some of those lads will be brought into the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on February 18, 2017, 10:06:50 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 18, 2017, 10:03:41 AM
Everybody knows the man with the hat
7-8 Down lads playing on the St Mary's panel today I see.I know the standard would not be as good as intercounty but surely some of those lads will be brought into the panel?

I don't. Hence why I asked the question. Who is he?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 18, 2017, 10:10:38 AM
Where have you been mike?
Do you attend intercounty matches or big club games ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on February 18, 2017, 10:25:29 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 18, 2017, 10:10:38 AM
Where have you been mike?
Do you attend intercounty matches or big club games ?

Yes, does he wear a hat to all of these county and club games?  Or just at the weekend past? If you're talking about Sean Og then just call him by his name so it clears up any confusion. I agree that he shouldn't be anywhere near the team or management on match days and from what I've seen of him during county and even club championship matches he has to be seen and noticed. No reason at all for him to be inside the wire at games.

On the St Mary's players I think Stephen McConville is the only starting one who hasn't been given a chance, could be wrong though. The subs probably wouldn't be an improvement on what's on the panel at the minute or else they would be starting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on February 18, 2017, 11:05:53 AM
Ah that's it solved. Sean Og is picking the team. Following this logic to its conclusion then if only he would allow Eamonn Burns to do his job properly everything would be ok.

Yes/No?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 19, 2017, 08:17:00 AM
What does yesterday's win for St Mary's tell us?
Paddy Tally super organised with McKernan playing the all important cover role.
Our management team are getting nothing back from the players anymore.
They have lost the faith I believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 19, 2017, 09:08:24 AM
 Is McConville from St Mary's worth a look at or maybe he's with the U21's?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 19, 2017, 09:13:00 AM
He wasn't in the game at all yesterday but I do believe he is still under 21.I could be wrong.
Fair play to St Mary's what a performance.
McKernan has to now start next Saturday night against Meath.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 19, 2017, 04:38:12 PM
Mc Kernan did have a good game yesterday, he was very lucky not to get a black card in the first half, Burns needs to use him the way Tally did, or is that expecting too much
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 19, 2017, 06:23:51 PM
You are right, he needs to be played at 6 as the spare man or nowhere.  Has played everywhere for club and county and this seems to be the only position that suits him.

I think he would thrive in the Cian O Sullivan role (not saying he is in his league).  Burns currently has Conal McGovern in this role and he is a natural wing forward and he is likely to play Mckernan at wing forward or midfield.  Just one of the many things you could scratch your head at with the current management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 20, 2017, 08:50:15 AM
 The long tense wait for Saturday night and what will our Senior team's response be to all that has been said and written over the past few weeks.Here's hoping for a win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on February 20, 2017, 11:05:08 AM
QuoteIt is with deep sadness that Ollscoil Uladh learn of the death of Leo Murphy.
A Down and Jordanstown legend. All Ireland winning fresher manager in 1983/84 and our first Sigerson manager in 1985. Our thoughts and prayers are with his entire family at this sad time. Our Lady Queen of the Gael pray for him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on February 20, 2017, 01:28:38 PM
Leo Murphy R.I.P. Greatest full back of all times
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 20, 2017, 02:07:20 PM
mckernan is best deployed at right or left half back. that's where he produces his best performances in a Down jersey. good engine and can take a score.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on February 20, 2017, 02:23:53 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on February 19, 2017, 06:23:51 PM
You are right, he needs to be played at 6 as the spare man or nowhere.  Has played everywhere for club and county and this seems to be the only position that suits him.

I think he would thrive in the Cian O Sullivan role (not saying he is in his league).  Burns currently has Conal McGovern in this role and he is a natural wing forward and he is likely to play Mckernan at wing forward or midfield.  Just one of the many things you could scratch your head at with the current management.

I would say in 2010 McKernan would have easily been in the same league as Cian O'Sullivan is now. Some days he has excelled for Down but yet for Burren he has never quite prodeced the goods, especially in the SFC against Kilcoo

2010 was maybe a one off, though he wouldn't be the only one who overperformed in 2010
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on February 20, 2017, 08:54:42 PM
Every time Kevin Mckernan has played against Kilcoo it was like he wasn't on the pitch , If this man is Downs main man and he can't cope when a (CLUB DEFENDER ) 'who isn't capable of playing county due to not being asked' , how on earth will he cope when a good  Meath man is on him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 20, 2017, 10:34:22 PM
Jesus give the man a break,there's no doubting Mc Kernan's ability he just hasn't produced it consistently enough since 2010, hopefully now with a sigerson medal secured he can help Down to a win on Saturday evening (if selected!!)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 20, 2017, 10:54:33 PM
Quote from: Down4sam2020 on February 20, 2017, 08:54:42 PM
Every time Kevin Mckernan has played against Kilcoo it was like he wasn't on the pitch , If this man is Downs main man and he can't cope when a (CLUB DEFENDER ) 'who isn't capable of playing county due to not being asked' , how on earth will he cope when a good  Meath man is on him?

If he is played as the spare man at the bs k he is unlikely to be marked.

Also the guys that usually mark him for Kilcoo are likely to have been asked and turned down the invite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 21, 2017, 10:50:48 AM
  If McKernan starts on Saturday night he'll have a bit of momentum and can hopefully push
his team mates on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on February 21, 2017, 01:16:56 PM
McKernan playing against meath is a given but it wont guarantee us a win, even if he plays the sweeper (and he can play it very well).  do we honestly think that Mick O'Dowd is going to happily let him sit in the backline and break out, the likelihood is Meath will push onto him and look to free someone else.

Hopefully the Sigerson win will give him a new lease of life and we see the benefits on Saturday night in Newry, (if he starts).

However the Kilcoo lads should have brought the same lease of life belief into the squad had they been played so here's hoping.

Also worth noting, Marc Reid is undoubtedly a great shot stopper, but he put his back line in the shit on a number of occoasions over the weekend with his erratic short kickouts and could in fact of cost them the game against UCC. (although his tweets would suggest otherwise)

Hopefully he corrects the kickouts in time for Saturday night



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pointman2 on February 21, 2017, 01:54:45 PM
He nearly cost them in the final also - lackadaisacal with a short kick and defenders not expecting it. Far too risky.

Any word on players being asked to join the squad and/or some definitely having left?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 21, 2017, 06:04:04 PM
Kevin should be a very important player for Down but seems to be out of favour with the current management.
As for the goalkeeper surely we have better keepers in the county than Reid?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 22, 2017, 07:50:40 PM
Quiet before the storm?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 23, 2017, 10:27:26 AM
does no one else think mckernan was being allowed to concentrate on his sigerson commitments and only now he is fully committed to start ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 23, 2017, 12:11:35 PM
reading the rubbish on here this last few weeks would make you laugh, same names spewing out the same shite week after week on here, stand up and put your name to some of the shite you write, the level of abuse towards men like our county secretary, senior manger and numerous players is a disgrace, good people who are giving up a lot of their time and effort to help the county out. Here is a thought, why not get off your ass on Saturday and come down and support the team instead of sitting behind a computer waiting for people to fail.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on February 23, 2017, 01:35:11 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on February 23, 2017, 12:11:35 PM
reading the rubbish on here this last few weeks would make you laugh, same names spewing out the same shite week after week on here, stand up and put your name to some of the shite you write, the level of abuse towards men like our county secretary, senior manger and numerous players is a disgrace, good people who are giving up a lot of their time and effort to help the county out. Here is a thought, why not get off your ass on Saturday and come down and support the team instead of sitting behind a computer waiting for people to fail.

Well as long as you get a laugh sure what about it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on February 23, 2017, 02:08:27 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on February 23, 2017, 12:11:35 PM
reading the rubbish on here this last few weeks would make you laugh, same names spewing out the same shite week after week on here, stand up and put your name to some of the shite you write, the level of abuse towards men like our county secretary, senior manger and numerous players is a disgrace, good people who are giving up a lot of their time and effort to help the county out. Here is a thought, why not get off your ass on Saturday and come down and support the team instead of sitting behind a computer waiting for people to fail.

What a pile of bollocks. If lads manage and play, and give up their free time to do so, does that make them immune from criticism? Sure we'll just pretend everything is grand and congratulate them on the effort they put in, because at the end of the day who cares about winning? Or even putting in a decent performance? As long as they've given up their time and effort that's fine.

Can't complain because these boys "are giving up a lot of their time and effort to help the county out". Can't complain about paying money into games, paying for fuel, food and the drive to away games because these boyos "are giving up a lot of their time and effort to help the county out". Can't complain about the best players not being played because the management "are giving up a lot of their time and effort to help the county out".

It's a discussion board. To discuss things and give your opinion. If lads on here don't think the players or management are up to the job they've every right to air their opinion.

As for the county secretary, correct me if I'm wrong but is he not paid for his time and effort? If he is then there is every right to criticise him, and other members of the county board who are paid, for the shambles and laughing stock that Down football has become. They've made the choice to take that role and get paid for it so it's on their heads. It's their job to improve the structures within the county and to organise the fixtures etc for clubs. Fine job they are doing.

As for the bit highlighted in bold, says yer man called 'redandblackareback'  ::)




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 23, 2017, 03:34:42 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on June 09, 2015, 02:58:30 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 09, 2015, 02:42:21 PM
Downs problems in my view are deeper rooted than adult level.
Too much money and resources are being spent on the top of the pyramid when really the investment should be made at the developmental level. Underage and schools infrastructure needs improving with the appointing of qualified, appropriate personnel in place at all levels, with a proper plan/strategy or process in place. If a professional approach is not taken and a serious look at how we do things then we are on a road to nowhere. We will continue to do things the Down Way and results from sundays games will probably continue.
Down are miles behind what other counties are doing at underage and development level.
But that's only my view.

we have someone in place getting a yearly wage to sort this out, our games and development manager and his team of coaches?
is  this not you criticising ye dipstick?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 23, 2017, 04:17:12 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on July 15, 2014, 12:59:57 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 15, 2014, 12:35:24 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on July 15, 2014, 12:29:17 PM
Been saying for a while how inept some of our so called "star players" have been performing in big games, I agree with Brick about the performance of certain forwards, how Donal O Hare has retained his place is baffling to say the least, how the 3 boys that cleared off on holiday are back in the panel never mind actually playing is also baffling! Shea Mc Ardle who didn't even strip out for Burren in the championship a few weeks back is named as a sub is baffling! The phase out we are experiencing towards the end of games, Tyrone and very evidently Kildare considering we have one of the best sports scientists/conditioning men in Moyna employed is also baffling. Mc Cartan has to stay, no doubting that, there is simply no suitable candidate to replace him as senior manager but a more ruthless, disciplined approach needs to be adhered to from the beginning of next year, that would start with removing Jerome Johnston from the management team, impossible to remain impartial with two sons on the panel.

But yet James can remain totally impartial with his two brothers knocking about the team? Nothing against James, just don't see your logic here.

Do you not think he can?? Everyone knows Eoin should be nowhere near the panel, I missed that point, your right but I think other posters raised that issue but Daniel deserves to be there, he's one of other better man markers but like Benny, Dan G, Mc Veigh he's not getting any younger but yes I ll take your point on board, he does have a personal interest but I think the issue is Eoin not Daniel.
and more..............
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 23, 2017, 05:24:23 PM
Lol, well bowled wobller
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 23, 2017, 05:52:02 PM
180 wobbler
It's a god damn discussion board!!!!
Coming onto a GAA discussion board to tell people to stop discussing GAA
The irony
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 23, 2017, 06:07:25 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 05, 2010, 06:13:51 PM
Look the "Martin Clarke Holiday saga" gives us all something to discuss, as this is a discussion board and the reason we joined is to discuss matters relating to Down GAA and further beyond.

I know for one if the same senario happened in my club there would be complete mayhem!! Its just not right what he done imo. All GAA lads in every club have long years and some of them maybe 10/12 long years to the senior cause! We have 1 senior player who has played for 11 consecutive seasons for us and has missed 3 league games in that period!

It is an issue for An Riocht I agree but maybe from reading some of the comments over the past week on here, he might have lost a little bit of the aura he is held in throughout the county! But sure by the mc kenna cup we ll all love him again  ;)
...and additional tripe "spewed"' by you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 23, 2017, 06:11:07 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on February 23, 2017, 12:11:35 PM
reading the rubbish on here this last few weeks would make you laugh, same names spewing out the same shite week after week on here, stand up and put your name to some of the shite you write, the level of abuse towards men like our county secretary, senior manger and numerous players is a disgrace, good people who are giving up a lot of their time and effort to help the county out. Here is a thought, why not get off your ass on Saturday and come down and support the team instead of sitting behind a computer waiting for people to fail.
what a load of crap. Lets just go to the matches and clap and pretend everything is ok. We have lost 11 league and championship matches in a row under this management, that is an utter disgrace. People that are overseeing this deserve criticism. The county secretary you mention has overseen a generation of mediocrity but lets pretend he's doing a great job. Everyone on here wants Down to succeed but lets not bury our heads in the sand when things arent going well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on February 23, 2017, 10:15:21 PM
http://gaeliclife.com/2017/02/release-statement-blasting-media-coverage/

What a pile of shite....press releases now...cringe worthy stuff.... what is the point of this statement? Ramble from start to finish nothing more than an arse covering exercise for the county board trying somehow to justify themselves somehow to the clubs fecking joke.     
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 23, 2017, 10:29:39 PM
Such a very poor statement.
To officially name 3 players who have walked?
To then mention we welcome Niall McParland back into the fold who is on teaching practice is clutching at straws(boys can't make 26 who are actually training)
Then to mention the fiasco with half the panel not returning home on the bid from Clare
And then to say the Twitter story was a misrepresentation is just lies as the tweeter comment was clearly for all to see liked by the official DOWN GAA PAGE
Things just go from bad to worse
And to release this statement 2 days before the Meath match
Keep the head down and say nothing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 23, 2017, 10:32:10 PM
Quote from: thebar on February 23, 2017, 10:15:21 PM
http://gaeliclife.com/2017/02/release-statement-blasting-media-coverage/

What a pile of shite press....press releases now...cringe worthy stuff.... what is the point of this statement? Ramble from start to finish nothing more than an arse covering exercise for the county board trying somehow to justify themselves somehow to the clubs fecking joke.     
embarrassing stuff from the county board. What do they hope to achieve with that statement? Talk about burying your head in the sand.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 23, 2017, 10:36:48 PM
 Why Oh Why do they keep making us a laughing stock throughout the GAA world? Should have said nothing and do our talking on the field of play against Meath on Saturday.Disappointing behaviour by our County Board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 23, 2017, 11:17:26 PM
Have to agree, what's the point in releasing this crap just bringing more attention to themselves, why don't they do their talking of the pitch and try to bring a bit of stability to the whole setup, anyway get stuck into the royals on Saturday night and lump on Down at 5/2!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 23, 2017, 11:18:43 PM
Jesus, what an arse face of a thing to publish.

The only version of events I want to read from our executive is the one surrounding why Jim McCorry was railroaded and Eamon Burns brought in. A little more honesty then would have been welcome.Everything that is upsetting Sean Og in this letter can be traced back to that chain of decisions.

Our administration surely must only have a few remaining streets in which to crash their cars. Surely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 23, 2017, 11:32:29 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 23, 2017, 11:18:43 PM
Jesus, what an arse face of a thing to publish.

The only version of events I want to read from our executive is the one surrounding why Jim McCorry was railroaded and Eamon Burns brought in. A little more honesty then would have been welcome.Everything that is upsetting Sean Og in this letter can be traced back to that chain of decisions.

Our administration surely must only have a few remaining streets in which to crash their cars. Surely.
These continuous crashes may end up being fatal to our survival in the future.Something needs to change or we're going to be consigned to the level that Kilkenny are at in Football.
Downredandblack, what's your view now of our County Board people after this latest howler?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 23, 2017, 11:42:43 PM
How could that statement have been slowed to hit the press?
Car crash stuff.
The wobbler was there ever a statement released after the vote of no confidence from the top table?
Why so close to Saturday's game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on February 24, 2017, 12:37:07 AM
Gross nievete from the County Board yet again. Who in God's name makes the decisions to do this sort of thing. Surely not everyone on the Board is willing to be led by some smug, self-inflated smartarse whose perception of his own abilities is light years from reality. CB members it would be worth your while looking up "groupthink as a psychological phenomenon", because that's the territory you now inhabit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 24, 2017, 09:56:50 AM
a win (freakish) would just paper one crack........seems to be a hope to get it right on the pitch and then build from there

needs to be right off the pitch first and therein lies the problems...... :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 24, 2017, 11:12:54 AM
5 changes for Saturday
In come Maginn Mckernan Johnstone O Hanlon Turley
Expect to see a red and black bus parked in the Down defence on Saturday night
All but 2 players were told that they will be playing behind the ball
Needs must 2 points is all that matter regardless of how it's done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 24, 2017, 02:29:22 PM
The country can tune in to eirsport and watch the latest installment of Down gaa. Although after the county boards statement maybe the game should be shown on the comedy channel. A win is papering over cracks. Meath by 6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on February 24, 2017, 04:39:38 PM
RIP Leo Murphy, a giant of a man in every way. Despite his achievements, he played for Rostrevor 3rds at the end of his career, showing the humility of the truly great. The demise of 3rds football has been sad to see; there should be an outlet for players who just enjoy playing football and don't have the time time to take it too seriously
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 24, 2017, 06:18:57 PM
Hey county board any chance of releasing a wee statement regarding team selection for tomorrow night?? Give us supporters something else to talk about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 24, 2017, 07:32:44 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 24, 2017, 06:18:57 PM
Hey county board any chance of releasing a wee statement regarding team selection for tomorrow night?? Give us supporters something else to talk about.
The top brass will be at Congress debating the wider issues affecting our Association while Rome burns up North.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: interested on February 25, 2017, 01:39:18 AM
 Best of luck against Meath.We've always beat them when it matters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 25, 2017, 08:46:03 AM
Down team that was sent to clubs:

M Reid

R Mcaleenan
G Mcgovern
D O'hagan
D O'hanlon
C Mcgovern
C Mooney

A Carr
P Turley

K Mckernan
C Maginn
J Murphy
S Millar
B O'hagan
R Johnston
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 25, 2017, 09:21:11 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 25, 2017, 08:46:03 AM
Down team that was sent to clubs:

M Reid

R Mcaleenan
G Mcgovern
D O'hagan
D O'hanlon
C Mcgovern
C Mooney

A Carr
P Turley

K Mckernan
C Maginn
J Murphy
S Millar
B O'hagan
R Johnston
My concern would be No,s 1 and possibly 12 &13 but it's as good as we've got so we'll hopefully give it a lash and keep our League hopes alive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on February 25, 2017, 10:27:46 AM
Surely there has to be room for Jerome but at very least he'll be sprung from bench. McKernan will likely play sweeper, Aidan Carr thinks he's a sweeper, Conaill McGovern drops back! Danger being that we have too many men who want to be "the free man"

Let's just hope they're all working from the same sheet.

As for the we've always beat them when it matters comment, that's more of the "Down away" mindset that has lulled us into a false sense of worth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on February 25, 2017, 10:40:45 AM
That selection has disaster written all over it. Meath by at least 10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 25, 2017, 11:03:21 AM
Hard game to call tonight.A better team individually but collectively to many sweepers on the team
Mobility clearly lacking too it's a good job Meath are not a fast running team and normally depend on physicality
Expect to see the red and black bus parked tonight
Down by 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 25, 2017, 11:13:00 AM
Down are lining out with one inside forward - O'Hagan. There simply isn't more than 10 pts in that forward line over 70 minutes of football. That's just maths.

Down will need goals or else Meath will win this without leaving 3rd gear.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 25, 2017, 11:21:18 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 25, 2017, 11:13:00 AM
Down are lining out with one inside forward - O'Hagan. There simply isn't more than 10 pts in that forward line over 70 minutes of football. That's just maths.

Down will need goals or else Meath will win this without leaving 3rd gear.


cant remember the time Down scored more than 11/12 points in a match, as you say we'll definitely need to improve on that tonight. Can anyone see us scoring anywhere near 1-14 because thats what I feel we'll need to win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 25, 2017, 11:23:29 AM
The wobbler how do you think the team will line out?
In the forward line etc?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 25, 2017, 11:51:18 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 25, 2017, 08:46:03 AM
Down team that was sent to clubs:

M Reid

R Mcaleenan
G Mcgovern
D O'hagan
D O'hanlon
C Mcgovern
C Mooney

A Carr
P Turley

K Mckernan
C Maginn
J Murphy
S Millar
B O'hagan
R Johnston

Swap that team about a bit

Reid
McAleenan
G McGovern
O Hanlon
R Johnston
Mckernan
O Hagan
Carr
Turley
C MCGovern
McGinn
Mooney
Murphy
O Hagan
Miller

Swap Jerome for Miller, Madine for O Hagan, Devlin for McGinn, McParland for Carr and Conor Toner for Turley and it's not the worst Down team I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on February 25, 2017, 12:20:17 PM
Can't believe that county board statement. They go to lengths to explain why and how Mallon and McMahon left, yet give no explanation about Damien Turley (half a sentence) who obviously left in a less favourable fashion that they don't want to talk about. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 25, 2017, 07:43:56 PM
Good first half from Down.The subs that have come in are making a massive difference
We will win this pulling up.The say we are poor Meath are pathetic
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 25, 2017, 08:39:26 PM
 Congratulations to players and Management on great win. Down 1-13 Meath 0-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 25, 2017, 08:56:52 PM
Great win for Down.Brilliant 2 points another win next week will ease the pressure of relagation
What a difference a win makes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 25, 2017, 09:02:46 PM
Great win. Down needed that. Listened on LMFM and Down were always in control. Kicked alot of wides thiugh. Need to keep moving forward. Its a tough league. Doesnt resolve any of the current wrongs in Down gaa they need to be sorted . But nobody here wants the team to suffer but changes are required. Delighted for Eamon Burns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 25, 2017, 09:03:22 PM
 Great Down win.The players stood up and were counted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on February 25, 2017, 09:08:20 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 25, 2017, 09:02:46 PM
Great win. Down needed that. Listened on LMFM and Down were always in control. Kicked alot of wides thiugh. Need to keep moving forward. Its a tough league. Doesnt resolve any of the current wrongs in Down gaa they need to be sorted . But nobody here wants the team to suffer but changes are required. Delighted for Eamon Burns.

Pretty much agree with all said here.  There are problems & need to be addressed. Regards tonight at last a performance, even if Down had of been beat I still would of been happy because at last there was a sense of urgency & will to win again. And for periods Down played some decent football.....congratulations to the team & management well deserved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 25, 2017, 09:23:27 PM
great win. some great determination, urgency and will to win by all the players got us that much longed for win. the players that came into the team tonight made all the difference and their experience saw us over the line. still loads of work to do but tonight was very encouraging.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 25, 2017, 09:55:43 PM
Great to finally get a win! Good atmosphere in Newry aswell, nervy last 5mins let Meath back into it, but understandable given how long it's been since we last won a league game! The team all worked tirelessly, Barry O Hagan had an off night, not much stuck with him.. Mooney and O Hanlon excellent, joe murphy and Miller with their best games to date for Down..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 25, 2017, 10:28:35 PM
Good to get the win, if we had of played something close to this team in the first two games we might have more than 2 points.  With Kildare, Cork and Galway to come, Derry away next week should be considered must win.

That said Mooney, the two Johnstons and the two O Hagans provide serious pace which we should be trying to use to the max.  If we have a full team out we should be more than capable of holding our own in a competitive but ultimately average division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 25, 2017, 10:43:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 25, 2017, 11:13:00 AM
Down are lining out with one inside forward - O'Hagan. There simply isn't more than 10 pts in that forward line over 70 minutes of football. That's just maths.

Down will need goals or else Meath will win this without leaving 3rd gear.

Genuinely delighted to be proven wrong tonight!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 26, 2017, 12:23:38 AM
Many Down supporters had forgotten what it like to experience  the emotion of winning a serious match, and will now know that it feels good and we would like to go through it again. Fair play to our management who have had a tough time, and picked a few dodgy teams along the way, but got it right tonight and sent out a side which played with a spirit and an edge which we have not seen for quite a while.

Meath were ordinary, and we are about their level, but we were due a break and a fortunate goal with our first attack pushed us in the right direction. The early stages of the second half were crucial and gave us the momentum to survive a considerable scare in injury time.

Reid is a confident keeper, and will do well when he avoids the overly adventurous kick-outs. Our full backs were decent throughout but our best line was at half back. Conaill McGovern is a battler, and there is a touch of quality about O'Hanlon and particularly Mooney when we can get the best out of them.

There may not be much pace about our midfield but the cuteness of Carr and the physical presence of Turley was effective. Murphy, Millar and Maginn worked  exceptionally hard and O'Hagan ran himself into the ground. Ryan Johnston has had better nights but produced a brilliant point at an important time, while McKernan was everywhere, got a vital late score and may have just about been MoM.

We are well capable of a similar result at Owenbeg next week which would leave us within a point or two of an unlikely survival in the division. In all the circumstances, staying up would be a notable achievement.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on February 26, 2017, 02:36:09 AM
Few doom and gloom merchants on here have been proven wrong tonight, particularly Mr Woobler , we all want to see Down do well, realism with a tinge of patience is what's needed. We are a work in progress , we have some some terrific footbaiilers but at this stage not enough of them, congrats to the management and players on beating Meath , take the the praise because you have had loads of criticism on here, as the wise men on here will tell ye , your only as good as your next game, I for one hope there's better to come when we meet Armagh but for now I will take that win and move on to Derry who without the Slaughtneil players might be vulnerable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 26, 2017, 10:31:28 AM
Quote from: oileain blues on February 26, 2017, 02:36:09 AM
Few doom and gloom merchants on here have been proven wrong tonight, particularly Mr Woobler , we all want to see Down do well, realism with a tinge of patience is what's needed. We are a work in progress , we have some some terrific footbaiilers but at this stage not enough of them, congrats to the management and players on beating Meath , take the the praise because you have had loads of criticism on here, as the wise men on here will tell ye , your only as good as your next game, I for one hope there's better to come when we meet Armagh but for now I will take that win and move on to Derry who without the Slaughtneil players might be vulnerable.

Everyone on here knows where the problems lie within Down football. Were people blaming the players?
Down football needs a clearout at couny board level thats where the problem is. That silly statement during the week proves that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 26, 2017, 10:44:06 AM
Derry might be vulnerable you say?Are you for real?They are the worst team in this league by a mlle(well maybe Meath might push them)
A lot of problems still to fix.We have decent players in this county who need guided the right way and the current management are not the men to lead it.Why was this team not played in the first 2 games?If it was I have no doubt we would be sitting on 4 points and another  1 win to secure safety.Instead we now need to win 2 of our last 4 games.Whose to blame for that?
Last night will not paper over the cracks
Whitegoodman made a great point if we could bring in those 5-6 lads he mentioned we would be a top 10 team in Ireland but at the minute we are a top 18
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 26, 2017, 10:59:27 AM
I wouldn't go quite as far as top 8 but we should be able hold our own in div 2, top 12-14 perhaps.

Also I wouldn't be shouting that Derry are by far the worst in the division until their result today and more importantly next weeks result.

At this stage it doesn't look like Madine or Toner will be added to the panel but if Jerome and McParland come in then that immediately improves the team.  It's also a toss up between O Hagan and Donal O Hare.  Despite kicking a few points last night  O Hagan has yet to really convince.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on February 26, 2017, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: oileain blues on February 26, 2017, 02:36:09 AM
Few doom and gloom merchants on here have been proven wrong tonight, particularly Mr Woobler , we all want to see Down do well, realism with a tinge of patience is what's needed. We are a work in progress , we have some some terrific footbaiilers but at this stage not enough of them, congrats to the management and players on beating Meath , take the the praise because you have had loads of criticism on here, as the wise men on here will tell ye , your only as good as your next game, I for one hope there's better to come when we meet Armagh but for now I will take that win and move on to Derry who without the Slaughtneil players might be vulnerable.

You do know the last time we won a competitive match in league or championship til last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: West Down Rover on February 26, 2017, 02:28:51 PM
Well done!  Great effort a with good starting selection and choice of subs.  We need the Senior team to do well as a rising tide lifts all and provides encouragement for our development squads.  Hope that we as a County are on the way up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on February 26, 2017, 04:06:10 PM
Pleased to have been proved wrong, although a step in right direction, I fear the defeat in Clare will ultimately mean Div 3 next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 26, 2017, 04:16:28 PM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on February 26, 2017, 04:06:10 PM
Pleased to have been proved wrong, although a step in right direction, I fear the defeat in Clare will ultimately mean Div 3 next year

Agreed, can't see two wins on the cards against Derry, Kildare, Galway and Cork.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 26, 2017, 05:56:20 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 26, 2017, 10:44:06 AM
Derry might be vulnerable you say?Are you for real?They are the worst team in this league by a mlle(well maybe Meath might push them)
A lot of problems still to fix.We have decent players in this county who need guided the right way and the current management are not the men to lead it.Why was this team not played in the first 2 games?If it was I have no doubt we would be sitting on 4 points and another  1 win to secure safety.Instead we now need to win 2 of our last 4 games.Whose to blame for that?
Last night will not paper over the cracks
Whitegoodman made a great point if we could bring in those 5-6 lads he mentioned we would be a top 10 team in Ireland but at the minute we are a top 18
so much for 'derry being the worst team in the division by a mile'. They had an excellent last gasp win today against a previously unbeaten kildare so its pretty obvious we'll need to be on top form to get anything next week. Not playing our strongest team against fermanagh and clare is going to come back to haunt us I fear.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 26, 2017, 06:07:49 PM
Is that the same Kildare team who got hammered by the Dublin 3rd team a few weeks ago?
Let's be honest lads barring Galway this is a very below average league
The standard is so bad and if you think otherwise then you very much mistaking
Yes it's going to be an exciting league as most teams are shockingly poor and wouldn't count in division 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 26, 2017, 10:41:43 PM
There's no doubt that there is not much between most of the teams in D2, so it is a huge problem that we got nothing from our first two games against sides who will probably be delighted if they avoid relegation. Our win over Meath gave us a big lift but the results today mean that we are still likely to go down if we do not beat Derry next week.

One other small point from last night was that the programme did a two-page feature on Damien Watson, which was a nice way of recognising his service as a taxi driver to our senior squad for the last 25 years. However, the article completely failed to mention that Damien was not only a distinguished player with Bredagh and Down but actually captained his county for a period in the late 1970s. He may be a good taxi driver but he was a better footballer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 27, 2017, 09:25:17 AM
One swallow doesn't make a summer... but it can make your night ;) Yes great result but need to carry this on, Armagh seem to be struggling against weaker teams than what we are against so few more good results in the league we will be set up nicely for the Ulster Quarter Final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on February 27, 2017, 09:14:42 PM
We may have got a good result on Saturday however we need to back it up with a win over Derry which won't be easy especially after there win over Kildare. The speed of downs breakout from defence was encouraging and we also seemed to have plenty of pace throughout the side which isn't something we haven't been blessed with in recent times. Burns plan is coming into action and I am fully convinced we will see the full plan in action on the 4th June were will will hammer the old enemy in the marshes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 27, 2017, 10:15:45 PM
We'll not worry about that third division outfit just yet,let's get 2 points in Derry on Sunday and we'll have a realistic chance of survival,good to see Burns playing the strongest team still need to be more clinical in front of goal,all in all a step in the right direction!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 28, 2017, 06:40:12 PM
It will actually help if you get behind the team. Fancy a win in Derry next week and the way the division is sitting, do not rule out a surprised return to division one! Keep the faith
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 28, 2017, 07:15:33 PM
Alright there Caolan, let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.

Promotion would be almost as bad as relegation anyway, if not worse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 28, 2017, 08:15:45 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on February 28, 2017, 06:40:12 PM
It will actually help if you get behind the team. Fancy a win in Derry next week and the way the division is sitting, do not rule out a surprised return to division one! Keep the faith
That would be a nightmare scenario. Hammered every week. Down need a couple of years at the level they are at to bring them on. Last season in div 1 was a disaster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on March 01, 2017, 12:45:37 AM
those even discussing the notion of promotion may lay down the shisha pipe  ;D

if we can avoid relegation that will be a massive boost in itself
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on March 01, 2017, 08:14:10 AM
Any one know how the under 21s are shaping up? Two weeks to the match against an Armagh tea with a number established senior panelists and sigerson winners?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on March 01, 2017, 10:59:26 AM
Quote from: Mourne man on March 01, 2017, 08:14:10 AM
Any one know how the under 21s are shaping up? Two weeks to the match against an Armagh tea with a number established senior panelists and sigerson winners?

Beat by Bredagh last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 01, 2017, 08:18:04 PM
As a comparison for this year's U21's. Results from 2014 MFC.

Sunday 20th Jul 2014 MFC Final
Donegal
(2-12)
v
(0-10)
Armagh

Ulster Minor Football Championship 2014 Semi-Final
Saturday 28th Jun 2014
Armagh
(1-8)
v
(0-9)
Monaghan

Ulster Minor Football Championship 2014 Quarter Final
Brewster Park 1:45 PM

Sunday 25th May 2014
Armagh
(1-13)
v
(0-6)
Cavan


Ulster Minor Football Championship 2014 Quarter Final
Celtic Park 12:15 PM
Sunday 18th May 2014
Tyrone
(1-18)
v
(2-6)
Down

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 02, 2017, 07:39:15 AM
Belt tightening by the County now being put onto the Clubs to sort the errors of the past after Monday's County Board meeting with Club reps.
  Fees to go up and various debts owed by certain Clubs to be repaid.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on March 02, 2017, 10:01:22 AM
Quote from: wobbller on March 02, 2017, 07:39:15 AM
Belt tightening by the County now being put onto the Clubs to sort the errors of the past after Monday's County Board meeting with Club reps.
  Fees to go up and various debts owed by certain Clubs to be repaid.

Clubs still have to vote on it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cupofteaandbanana on March 02, 2017, 10:50:19 AM
In relation to u21 comment:

Was up at the game as a neutral and was surprised by the gap in performance from the down team. Great work rate from bredagh, especially after a tight game on Sunday. Will be an interesting championship clash for down in two weeks..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 02, 2017, 12:24:40 PM
Quote from: Cupofteaandbanana on March 02, 2017, 10:50:19 AM
In relation to u21 comment:

Was up at the game as a neutral and was surprised by the gap in performance from the down team. Great work rate from bredagh, especially after a tight game on Sunday. Will be an interesting championship clash for down in two weeks..
As a neutral? lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cupofteaandbanana on March 02, 2017, 02:19:43 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 02, 2017, 12:24:40 PM
Quote from: Cupofteaandbanana on March 02, 2017, 10:50:19 AM
In relation to u21 comment:

Was up at the game as a neutral and was surprised by the gap in performance from the down team. Great work rate from bredagh, especially after a tight game on Sunday. Will be an interesting championship clash for down in two weeks..
As a neutral? lol
No honestly was just up at the dub and decided to stay on

Just thought with championship so close Down would have walked it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cupofteaandbanana on March 02, 2017, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 02, 2017, 02:30:24 PM
Quote from: Cupofteaandbanana on March 02, 2017, 02:19:43 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 02, 2017, 12:24:40 PM
Quote from: Cupofteaandbanana on March 02, 2017, 10:50:19 AM
In relation to u21 comment:

Was up at the game as a neutral and was surprised by the gap in performance from the down team. Great work rate from bredagh, especially after a tight game on Sunday. Will be an interesting championship clash for down in two weeks..
As a neutral? lol
No honestly was just up at the dub and decided to stay on

Just thought with championship so close Down would have walked it
After a tough game on Sunday and you just happened to know that also wherever it was on or whoever it was against. More lol.......
Was talking to someone on the sideline. What's wrong with that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 02, 2017, 04:35:08 PM
Suprised im the 1st mentioning it here. Sad day for Down and An Riocht with Marty Clarke hanging up the boots. A great footballer. Big loss. Wish him all the best. Worth the admission fee alone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 02, 2017, 06:02:05 PM
Quote from: Cupofteaandbanana on March 02, 2017, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 02, 2017, 02:30:24 PM
Quote from: Cupofteaandbanana on March 02, 2017, 02:19:43 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 02, 2017, 12:24:40 PM
Quote from: Cupofteaandbanana on March 02, 2017, 10:50:19 AM
In relation to u21 comment:

Was up at the game as a neutral and was surprised by the gap in performance from the down team. Great work rate from bredagh, especially after a tight game on Sunday. Will be an interesting championship clash for down in two weeks..
As a neutral? lol
No honestly was just up at the dub and decided to stay on

Just thought with championship so close Down would have walked it
After a tough game on Sunday and you just happened to know that also wherever it was on or whoever it was against. More lol.......
Was talking to someone on the sideline. What's wrong with that?
As long as you were neutral. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 02, 2017, 06:17:01 PM
Wobbler are you saying the clubs have to now pay for the mess them men got this county in?
And most of them are still in office
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 02, 2017, 09:44:48 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 02, 2017, 06:17:01 PM
Wobbler are you saying the clubs have to now pay for the mess them men got this county in?
And most of them are still in office
Don't know but our Club is none too happy but we'll abide by what's good for the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Feckmylife on March 03, 2017, 10:04:41 AM
Are the clubs not already doing this with the county draw tickets? What more can they realistically expect from the clubs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on March 03, 2017, 01:04:12 PM
reading about marty Clarke in todays irish news. probably already been mentioned before on here but not one player from the 2005 minor team plays for Down today

Down minors: M McAllister; G Magee, C Garvey, H Magee, G McCartan, E McConville, K Duffin; J Colgan, P Fitzpatrick; D Lavery, M Clarke, S Grant; C Brannigan, R Kelly, P McCumiskey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 04, 2017, 08:35:42 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on March 03, 2017, 01:04:12 PM
reading about marty Clarke in todays irish news. probably already been mentioned before on here but not one player from the 2005 minor team plays for Down today

Down minors: M McAllister; G Magee, C Garvey, H Magee, G McCartan, E McConville, K Duffin; J Colgan, P Fitzpatrick; D Lavery, M Clarke, S Grant; C Brannigan, R Kelly, P McCumiskey.
It's a pity about Martin Clarke.Tomorrow's result will probably shape our league season.Defeat and we'll probably be relegated but a win will settle us and push on towards June.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 05, 2017, 02:49:38 PM
0-06 to 0-00 to Down after 18 mins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on March 05, 2017, 02:54:58 PM
1-7 to 0-0... Hard to see a derry comeback!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on March 05, 2017, 03:00:36 PM
1-10 to 0-01.. ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 05, 2017, 03:10:49 PM
1-03 to 1-11 at HT. Must be a strong wind?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 05, 2017, 04:26:42 PM
massive win away from home for down 1-15 to 1-7. strong 1st half was the platform for a comfortable win. well done everyone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 05, 2017, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 05, 2017, 04:26:42 PM
massive win away from home for down 1-15 to 1-7. strong 1st half was the platform for a comfortable win. well done everyone.
Yes,a great win especially against Ulster opponents.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on March 05, 2017, 05:26:49 PM
Is Sean Og still picking the team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on March 05, 2017, 05:45:17 PM
a strong performance. some great passages of play and had our shooting boots on today.

well done.

derry will have their slaughtneil lads back for the last 2 games v cork and Fermanagh which I think they can win as they have cork at home

Fermanagh and cork now favourites to go down

some turnaround lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 05, 2017, 05:54:57 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on March 05, 2017, 05:45:17 PM
a strong performance. some great passages of play and had our shooting boots on today.

well done.

derry will have their slaughtneil lads back for the last 2 games v cork and Fermanagh which I think they can win as they have cork at home

Fermanagh and cork now favourites to go down

some turnaround lol
we are still going to need to beat galway or kildare at home to avoid the drop. cant see us beating cork away in the last game especially if they need the points. encouraging signs in the last 2 games but we're not out of the woods as far as relegation is concerned.
it shows when we have our best team out we are a match for anybody in this division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 05, 2017, 06:40:00 PM
Good trip, nice day, best performance since our last visit to Celtic Park.
Half-back line, supplemented by McKernan sweeping, was the foundation- particularly O'Hanlon.
Turley and Carr were excellent.  Maginn and Johnston (R) make us tick and Barry O'Hagan was on fire.
The only criticism was that we could have added to our points difference as Derry were all over the show but fair play to Burns and co. We will need at least one more win so let's beat Kildare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 05, 2017, 06:44:03 PM
A great week for Down football.Now to pick up another 2 points and get ready for the Orangeman
Sean Og you legend keep picking the team
He wanted the changes at HT against Clare and he got them and ever since then we have started to perform
What a turnaround
WE ARE BACK
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on March 05, 2017, 06:50:27 PM
What a difference a week makes. Last Friday we were all fearing the worst. Great to get the two wins but more importantly it's great to finally see some sort of game plan in action. Yes at times it may not be pretty but I'd rather see us playing defensive and winning than playing the "down way" and getting beat. Three league games to work on and progress that game plan and we could be in for a half decent championship/back door run
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on March 05, 2017, 07:06:09 PM
How will We do against a very high scoring Armagh team -12 different scorers facing a team who finished jointly with 8 points last year in the league but failed to be promoted due to points difference ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 05, 2017, 07:10:30 PM
Quote from: Down4sam2020 on March 05, 2017, 07:06:09 PM
How will We do against a very high scoring Armagh team -12 different scorers facing a team who finished jointly with 8 points last year in the league but failed to be promoted due to points difference ?

We'll get a taste of it next week seeing as Kildare seem to be racking up a few big scores.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 05, 2017, 07:15:04 PM
Its a weird division. Very difficult to predict what way any game will go. Would 6 pts be enough to stay up with our scoring diff. Gonna be interesting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 05, 2017, 07:41:03 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 25, 2017, 09:03:22 PM
Great Down win.The players stood up and were counted.

   And stood up today again and literally at times walked all over Derry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 05, 2017, 10:01:13 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 05, 2017, 06:44:03 PM
A great week for Down football.Now to pick up another 2 points and get ready for the Orangeman
Sean Og you legend keep picking the team
He wanted the changes at HT against Clare and he got them and ever since then we have started to perform
What a turnaround
WE ARE BACK
ffs are you 12?? We hadn't won in over a year but 2 wins in a week and suddenly 'we're back'. Encouraging performances in the last 2 games but still work to do. Staying in the division will be a step in the right direction after a poor start to the league campaign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 05, 2017, 10:05:35 PM
Well done to team and management.  I'd still suggest we would be safe at this stage if the right team was picked in the first two games.

If we can consolidate in Div 2 and beat Armagh I would consider that a successful year under the circumstances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 06, 2017, 12:21:20 AM
After all the upheaval of the last two years, we occasionally forget that we still have some fine footballers in our squad. There may not be as many of them as before, and we do not always pick the most sensible team, but we are well capable of competing in this division when we get it right.

Celtic Park was our second consecutive decent result, admittedly against modest opposition on both days, but you can only beat what is is in front of you and there was more than a hint of a rising spirit about our display.

Cunningham, after a difficult night against Fermanagh, was excellent, and looked the part behind a full back line which was a little more open that we would have hoped. Our half backs were brilliant, with O'Hanlon and Mooney outstanding from start to finish.

We competed well in midfield and our forwards had a work ethic which was hugely encouraging. McKernan did the simple things very effectively, Johnston was quality personified and Barry O'Hagan had his best Down game by a considerable margin.

This is a strange league, and we could yet be either relegated or more disastrously promoted, but mid-table would suit us quite nicely. Fair play to all concerned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 06, 2017, 11:47:08 AM
 Well done to the management and players,will now break my promise not to go to any more games until Championship and now look forward to the Kildare game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on March 06, 2017, 12:56:56 PM
Quote from: wobbller on March 06, 2017, 11:47:08 AM
Well done to the management and players,will now break my promise not to go to any more games until Championship and now look forward to the Kildare game.

What a difference a week makes  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 06, 2017, 02:17:03 PM
As with my namesake, would like to say well done to the senior team for turning this around.

The injection of pace that Johnston and Mooney brings to the team obviously makes us more of an attacking threat. Delighted to see it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on March 07, 2017, 06:44:13 AM
Great to see our team back to wining ways, we are peaking at the right time with Armagh coming up shortly , can see us just edging that encounter , back to more mundane matters, what do ye think about proposals to increase the fees clubs pay to the county , is this a move for clubs to dig deeper to pay for the Burrenbridge debacle, too much secrecy sand not enough transparency when it comes to county finance, but there must be a solution to our off field problems , any suggestions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 07, 2017, 08:08:42 AM
Quote from: oileain blues on March 07, 2017, 06:44:13 AM
Great to see our team back to wining ways, we are peaking at the right time with Armagh coming up shortly , can see us just edging that encounter , back to more mundane matters, what do ye think about proposals to increase the fees clubs pay to the county , is this a move for clubs to dig deeper to pay for the Burrenbridge debacle, too much secrecy sand not enough transparency when it comes to county finance, but there must be a solution to our off field problems , any suggestions?
The solution from those at the top table is to increase the yearly fees and to start a process that will let us all sort the mess out once and for all.From what I hear there was a lot of transparency in what was released.A quarter of a century of bad housekeeping now coming home to roost.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on March 07, 2017, 08:54:56 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 07, 2017, 08:08:42 AM
Quote from: oileain blues on March 07, 2017, 06:44:13 AM
Great to see our team back to wining ways, we are peaking at the right time with Armagh coming up shortly , can see us just edging that encounter , back to more mundane matters, what do ye think about proposals to increase the fees clubs pay to the county , is this a move for clubs to dig deeper to pay for the Burrenbridge debacle, too much secrecy sand not enough transparency when it comes to county finance, but there must be a solution to our off field problems , any suggestions?
The solution from those at the top table is to increase the yearly fees and to start a process that will let us all sort the mess out once and for all.From what I hear there was a lot of transparency in what was released.A quarter of a century of bad housekeeping now coming home to roost.

All clubs who attended the meeting in Burrendale last week got a pretty comprehensive and transparent report to bring home. Ask your club reps to see the documents, very in depth and at long last all details set out on the table.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on March 07, 2017, 11:12:04 PM
I don't think a lack of transparency is the issue at all. We all know the financial state that the county are in and I'd say the clubs didn't learn much that they didn't already know before last weeks meeting in the Burrendale. The issue is they are asking the clubs to pay their debt. Some of the bigger clubs will be fine with that but I'd say there are a lot that simple can't afford it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 07, 2017, 11:48:29 PM
Quote from: Hoes before bros on March 07, 2017, 11:12:04 PM
I don't think a lack of transparency is the issue at all. We all know the financial state that the county are in and I'd say the clubs didn't learn much that they didn't already know before last weeks meeting in the Burrendale. The issue is they are asking the clubs to pay their debt. Some of the bigger clubs will be fine with that but I'd say there are a lot that simple can't afford it.
The  Clubs should have to pay on a sliding scale.But where or who does that start with and as important who is at the lower end?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on March 08, 2017, 12:14:03 AM
I wouldn't be aware of the facts of how much they are expecting each club to pay or if each club is expected to pay the same amount. But I know there are clubs in this county struggling financially. I'm sure these clubs would much prefer to sort out there own finances or upgrade their own facilities than pay off the counties debts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on March 08, 2017, 07:08:16 AM
So it was passed that the clubs will pay an extra 2500 each to help pay the debt we currently have.I have a few observations,
1. Why did the top table have a vote on an individual basis when they didn't represent a club
2. Why is there still people at the top table who presided over Burrenbridge and left our county in a terrible financial mess. One of these represents Down at Croke Park!!!
3. If our secretary and chairman think that Croke park will restructure our debt because we can show we not only can service our existing debt but can show our clubs will pay more, both are living in a different world that I live in
4.It seems that a lot of clubs reluctantly agreed to pay more, there are clubs who currently are struggling and this may be not be motion that puts them out of business but this increased payment together with the increased public liability and players insurance may cause closure and that would be catastrophic.
5. It's time for greater transparency of county finances, I would like to know where every penny is going and be assured we are getting value for money and every major capital expenditure is discussed and agreed at county board level so a Burrenbridge can never happen again.
6. Lastly what is our 3 or 5 year plan for the acquisition of land for a centre of excellence , paying of debt is great and will please our accountants and our debtors but it won't help us develop as a county on and of the field.At this rate the DUP will have agreed to an all Ireland with the tricolour flying above the city hall before we have a centre of excellence but we can always hope !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on March 08, 2017, 10:09:33 AM
The Clubs ARE the County.  Who else is going to clear the debt? Of course mistakes have been made, but we have to move on at some point.  It appears they have opened the books for all clubs to see, no hiding places anymore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 08, 2017, 10:33:05 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on March 08, 2017, 10:09:33 AM
The Clubs ARE the County.  Who else is going to clear the debt? Of course mistakes have been made, but we have to move on at some point.  It appears they have opened the books for all clubs to see, no hiding places anymore.

There'll be no hiding places any more if the detailed Annual financial statements (signed) are shared with the clubs a week before the County congress to allow them to be dissected by the clubs in advance of the congress.

That needs to happen.

There was very little details on the last one I saw just generic terms like team expenses and so forth. Those things need broken down a lot more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 08, 2017, 11:27:14 AM
Quote from: wobbller on March 08, 2017, 10:47:11 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on March 08, 2017, 10:33:05 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on March 08, 2017, 10:09:33 AM
The Clubs ARE the County.  Who else is going to clear the debt? Of course mistakes have been made, but we have to move on at some point.  It appears they have opened the books for all clubs to see, no hiding places anymore.

There'll be no hiding places any more if the detailed Annual financial statements (signed) are shared with the clubs a week before the County congress to allow them to be dissected by the clubs in advance of the congress.

That needs to happen.

There was very little details on the last one I saw just generic terms like team expenses and so forth. Those things need broken down a lot more.
Like that will happen in the same way as each Club produces Accounts every year with similar terminology and indeed in much the same way that the Accounts are numbered and collected very quickly afterwards such as Senior Team Training costs 8k when in fact it should say "journeyman Manager' gets 50 pound per night.Move on and accept the fact that it is the Clubs of Down who are Down and it is them in conjunction with the County Board that sorts this all out finally.

Our club doesn't.
We bring the club accountant and they along with the treasurer take questions about the financial statements which members can get on soft copy or hard copy in advance of the meeting taking place as per the rules governing social clubs and so forth.
Does Club Maith not cover this as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clowry13 on March 08, 2017, 12:45:54 PM
I see Gerard mcGovern picked up a bad shoulder injury on Sunday and may be out for several weeks. Hopefully he gets back to full fitness soon as he's a very important player to this Down side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on March 08, 2017, 03:34:25 PM
I'm not suggesting it's an us versus them or club versus county scenario but each club committee has the responsibility to look after their own club and how their own club is run. It is not their responsibility to fix mistakes made by the county board. Clubs already pay a considerable fee to field teams and are forced to sell a minimum number of down draw tickets. Now they are forcing each club to pay an extra £2500 a year? This is simple just passing their debt onto the clubs and is going to cripple some of the smaller clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 08, 2017, 03:57:12 PM
Quote from: wobbller on March 08, 2017, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on March 08, 2017, 11:27:14 AM
Quote from: wobbller on March 08, 2017, 10:47:11 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on March 08, 2017, 10:33:05 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on March 08, 2017, 10:09:33 AM
The Clubs ARE the County.  Who else is going to clear the debt? Of course mistakes have been made, but we have to move on at some point.  It appears they have opened the books for all clubs to see, no hiding places anymore.

There'll be no hiding places any more if the detailed Annual financial statements (signed) are shared with the clubs a week before the County congress to allow them to be dissected by the clubs in advance of the congress.

That needs to happen.

There was very little details on the last one I saw just generic terms like team expenses and so forth. Those things need broken down a lot more.
Like that will happen in the same way as each Club produces Accounts every year with similar terminology and indeed in much the same way that the Accounts are numbered and collected very quickly afterwards such as Senior Team Training costs 8k when in fact it should say "journeyman Manager' gets 50 pound per night.Move on and accept the fact that it is the Clubs of Down who are Down and it is them in conjunction with the County Board that sorts this all out finally.

Our club doesn't.
We bring the club accountant and they along with the treasurer take questions about the financial statements which members can get on soft copy or hard copy in advance of the meeting taking place as per the rules governing social clubs and so forth.
Does Club Maith not cover this as well?
Your Club may not but the majority do pay Managers and my point remains in that WE need this sorted and it is US and THEM(County Board) that will have to do it.

Paying managers and so forth is only part of it.

What else is covered in these large pots of expenditure that we're not meant to know anything about?

It's all too easy to allow mismanagement of the counties finances if they're not properly scrutinised on a yearly basis by the clubs who end up picking up the tab anyway.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on March 10, 2017, 08:16:43 AM
Quote from: interested on March 10, 2017, 07:52:29 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on March 08, 2017, 03:57:12 PM
Quote from: wobbller on March 08, 2017, 11:49:13 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on March 08, 2017, 11:27:14 AM
Quote from: wobbller on March 08, 2017, 10:47:11 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on March 08, 2017, 10:33:05 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on March 08, 2017, 10:09:33 AM
The Clubs ARE the County.  Who else is going to clear the debt? Of course mistakes have been made, but we have to move on at some point.  It appears they have opened the books for all clubs to see, no hiding places anymore.

There'll be no hiding places any more if the detailed Annual financial statements (signed) are shared with the clubs a week before the County congress to allow them to be dissected by the clubs in advance of the congress.

That needs to happen.

There was very little details on the last one I saw just generic terms like team expenses and so forth. Those things need broken down a lot more.
Like that will happen in the same way as each Club produces Accounts every year with similar terminology and indeed in much the same way that the Accounts are numbered and collected very quickly afterwards such as Senior Team Training costs 8k when in fact it should say "journeyman Manager' gets 50 pound per night.Move on and accept the fact that it is the Clubs of Down who are Down and it is them in conjunction with the County Board that sorts this all out finally.

Our club doesn't.
We bring the club accountant and they along with the treasurer take questions about the financial statements which members can get on soft copy or hard copy in advance of the meeting taking place as per the rules governing social clubs and so forth.
Does Club Maith not cover this as well?
Your Club may not but the majority do pay Managers and my point remains in that WE need this sorted and it is US and THEM(County Board) that will have to do it.

Paying managers and so forth is only part of it.

What else is covered in these large pots of expenditure that we're not meant to know anything about?

It's all too easy to allow mismanagement of the counties finances if they're not properly scrutinised on a yearly basis by the clubs who end up picking up the tab anyway.
You seemed to have killed the conversation there johnny.

I've a habit of doing that :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 10, 2017, 08:21:19 AM
If anyone believes our senior management team is not getting paid needs there head seen
We could have a top class management team for the amount we are paying out
And that's before the payment towards club Down staff
So the extra £2500 per month is basically going towards that
Well done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 10, 2017, 10:18:08 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 10, 2017, 08:21:19 AM
If anyone believes our senior management team is not getting paid needs there head seen
We could have a top class management team for the amount we are paying out
And that's before the payment towards club Down staff
So the extra £2500 per month is basically going towards that
Well done

I don't think anyone has stated that the county management are not on generous "expenses".
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 10, 2017, 12:48:47 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 10, 2017, 08:21:19 AM
If anyone believes our senior management team is not getting paid needs there head seen
We could have a top class management team for the amount we are paying out
And that's before the payment towards club Down staff
So the extra £2500 per month is basically going towards that
Well done
Settle the head there Smurfy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on March 11, 2017, 10:57:02 PM
Is there an U21 squad about anywhere?? All very quiet...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 12, 2017, 02:10:25 PM
The under 21s should have a good team out Wednesday night
All is not well with the management team from what a player has told me
1 man running the show while the main man does not show up half the time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 12, 2017, 07:47:38 PM
Who's running the show then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 13, 2017, 04:48:59 PM
Down wont beat Armagh on Wednesday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 13, 2017, 08:44:25 PM
 The positivity on here is truly inspiring.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 14, 2017, 08:41:43 AM
Ok. Ehhhhhh Downs going to hammer Armagh on Wednesday night?
That what you would like to hear?
Also The Seniors will get promoted to Div 1, win an Ulster Title and make the All-Ireland Final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 14, 2017, 09:49:31 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 14, 2017, 08:41:43 AM
Ok. Ehhhhhh Downs going to hammer Armagh on Wednesday night?
That what you would like to hear?
Also The Seniors will get promoted to Div 1, win an Ulster Title and make the All-Ireland Final.
Good thinking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on March 14, 2017, 11:19:15 AM
am sure everyone knows that opinions on here from 20 or so posters are only read by about 40/50 others

positivity is commendable but opinions cant be shoehorned into positivity for positivities sake  :)

we have no barometer for u21s other than this group at minor grade made no notable advances
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 14, 2017, 12:53:01 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on March 14, 2017, 11:19:15 AM
am sure everyone knows that opinions on here from 20 or so posters are only read by about 40/50 others

positivity is commendable but opinions cant be shoehorned into positivity for positivities sake  :)

we have no barometer for u21s other than this group at minor grade made no notable advances
Barometer doesn't look good alright.
2014 Minor Preliminary Round Healy Park  Tyrone 1-18 Down 2-6
Down – M Reid, M Harte, C Fitzpatrick, L Byrne, N Rafferty, J Donnan, K McEvoy [0-1], S Dobbin, C McCartan, P Lively, J Guinness [0-1], R Millar, P Og McCrickard, R Treanor [0-3], F Aiken [0-1]. Subs – CJ Barr for Dobbin, S McConville [1-0] for McCrickard, G McDowell for Millar, T Rushe [1-0] for Lively, S Hardy for McCartan, P Laverty for Donnan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 14, 2017, 07:11:28 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 14, 2017, 12:53:01 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on March 14, 2017, 11:19:15 AM
am sure everyone knows that opinions on here from 20 or so posters are only read by about 40/50 others

positivity is commendable but opinions cant be shoehorned into positivity for positivities sake  :)

we have no barometer for u21s other than this group at minor grade made no notable advances
Barometer doesn't look good alright.
2014 Minor Preliminary Round Healy Park  Tyrone 1-18 Down 2-6
Down – M Reid, M Harte, C Fitzpatrick, L Byrne, N Rafferty, J Donnan, K McEvoy [0-1], S Dobbin, C McCartan, P Lively, J Guinness [0-1], R Millar, P Og McCrickard, R Treanor [0-3], F Aiken [0-1]. Subs – CJ Barr for Dobbin, S McConville [1-0] for McCrickard, G McDowell for Millar, T Rushe [1-0] for Lively, S Hardy for McCartan, P Laverty for Donnan
Where are they now springs to mind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on March 14, 2017, 07:13:05 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 14, 2017, 12:53:01 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on March 14, 2017, 11:19:15 AM
am sure everyone knows that opinions on here from 20 or so posters are only read by about 40/50 others

positivity is commendable but opinions cant be shoehorned into positivity for positivities sake  :)

we have no barometer for u21s other than this group at minor grade made no notable advances
Barometer doesn't look good alright.
2014 Minor Preliminary Round Healy Park  Tyrone 1-18 Down 2-6
Down – M Reid, M Harte, C Fitzpatrick, L Byrne, N Rafferty, J Donnan, K McEvoy [0-1], S Dobbin, C McCartan, P Lively, J Guinness [0-1], R Millar, P Og McCrickard, R Treanor [0-3], F Aiken [0-1]. Subs – CJ Barr for Dobbin, S McConville [1-0] for McCrickard, G McDowell for Millar, T Rushe [1-0] for Lively, S Hardy for McCartan, P Laverty for Donnan

How many of this team is on the U21's though? The promotional work and PR for this team and match from the county board has been top notch 🙄🙄
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 14, 2017, 07:34:34 PM
Reid will be starting

Byrne is playing for Shamrocks and I don't think he made the panel.
Fitzpatrick will most likely start.
Harte is injured or most likely would have been playing.

Rafferty is struggling for form at Shamrocks.
Donnan was CHB last year but I don't think he made it this year. Might be injured.
McEvoy I don't think made the panel.
McCartan will most likely start.

Dobbin has hardly kicked a ball since.
Barr has settled into goals at Mayobridge and I'd expect him to be next year's keeper.

Millar will most likely start.
Guinness will most likely start.
Lively wrecked his cruciate and hasn't quite fit back to speed.

Treanor will most likely start.
McCrickard will most likely start.

Of the subs, Murdock, McConville and Rushe will likely start, maybe Laverty too - though he has two full years left at this level. I'd be surprised if McDowell and Hardy aren't in the mix too as they both start week in week out in D1. I've no idea about Aiken.

---

Ceilum Doherty, Conor Francis, Sean Gallagher and Ruairi Campbell likely to be the new faces involved.


Apart from a clear out of the Shamrocks contingent, it's actually not that much change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 14, 2017, 09:06:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 14, 2017, 07:34:34 PM
Reid will be starting

Byrne is playing for Shamrocks and I don't think he made the panel.
Fitzpatrick will most likely start.
Harte is injured or most likely would have been playing.

Rafferty is struggling for form at Shamrocks.
Donnan was CHB last year but I don't think he made it this year. Might be injured.
McEvoy I don't think made the panel.
McCartan will most likely start.

Dobbin has hardly kicked a ball since.
Barr has settled into goals at Mayobridge and I'd expect him to be next year's keeper.

Millar will most likely start.
Guinness will most likely start.
Lively wrecked his cruciate and hasn't quite fit back to speed.

Treanor will most likely start.
McCrickard will most likely start.

Of the subs, Murdock, McConville and Rushe will likely start, maybe Laverty too - though he has two full years left at this level. I'd be surprised if McDowell and Hardy aren't in the mix too as they both start week in week out in D1. I've no idea about Aiken.

---

Ceilum Doherty, Conor Francis, Sean Gallagher and Ruairi Campbell likely to be the new faces involved.


Apart from a clear out of the Shamrocks contingent, it's actually not that much change.
Thanks Wobbler,good pre-match summary.As hedgehunter implies the PR is woeful.I actually think the PR Officer is worse than the previous one.Non-existent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on March 14, 2017, 09:46:20 PM
You wouldn't even know the match was on unless you had your ear to the ground. I only know that Ronan Millar is on the panel due to seeing him in the Irish News.. Couldn't tell ya one more player on the panel. Is Rushe even there?? I seen that he was taking the soccer pretty seriously this past while??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 14, 2017, 09:56:22 PM
Fair play Wobbler.Great run through the panel from previous years
PR on this has been absolutely shameful
Hard to know what way this will go.Armagh are missing quite a few but again have not a clue what the Down team is.Was there a panel announced anytime?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 14, 2017, 10:32:21 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on March 14, 2017, 09:46:20 PM
You wouldn't even know the match was on unless you had your ear to the ground. I only know that Ronan Millar is on the panel due to seeing him in the Irish News.. Couldn't tell ya one more player on the panel. Is Rushe even there?? I seen that he was taking the soccer pretty seriously this past while??
Who is Rushe playing soccer for?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on March 15, 2017, 12:12:57 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 14, 2017, 10:32:21 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on March 14, 2017, 09:46:20 PM
You wouldn't even know the match was on unless you had your ear to the ground. I only know that Ronan Millar is on the panel due to seeing him in the Irish News.. Couldn't tell ya one more player on the panel. Is Rushe even there?? I seen that he was taking the soccer pretty seriously this past while??
Who is Rushe playing soccer for?

Armagh...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 15, 2017, 12:45:33 AM
Quote from: TooLongRef on February 08, 2016, 09:12:11 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 08, 2016, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on February 08, 2016, 09:00:38 PM
Sorry. I meant to say Mcgarry, got completely mixed up between him and Rushe... Although, in reply to NP.. Mckernan will clearly start, he's been the best player in recent Ulster championship games. It's only feburary
clowry13, you wanted Rushe on the panel before Christmas (is he still devoted to Ballyholland and GAA or is he in soccer mode these months?)Last season you said McGarry hadn't done it in Div2 last year so how does he merit inclusion now when there has been no football recently?

No rosskarr he's still devoted to Ballyholland and also his county under 21's 'these months' ya wankbag. Hasn't kicked a soccer ball in 2 years either, shows how much you really know.
Written a while ago by someone about devotion.Armagh City soccer😀😀.Top class standard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TooLongRef on March 15, 2017, 01:53:45 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 15, 2017, 12:45:33 AM
Quote from: TooLongRef on February 08, 2016, 09:12:11 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 08, 2016, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on February 08, 2016, 09:00:38 PM
Sorry. I meant to say Mcgarry, got completely mixed up between him and Rushe... Although, in reply to NP.. Mckernan will clearly start, he's been the best player in recent Ulster championship games. It's only feburary
clowry13, you wanted Rushe on the panel before Christmas (is he still devoted to Ballyholland and GAA or is he in soccer mode these months?)Last season you said McGarry hadn't done it in Div2 last year so how does he merit inclusion now when there has been no football recently?

No rosskarr he's still devoted to Ballyholland and also his county under 21's 'these months' ya wankbag. Hasn't kicked a soccer ball in 2 years either, shows how much you really know.
Written a while ago by someone about devotion.Armagh City soccer😀😀.Top class standard.

You seem to be obsessed with young Rushe rosskarr. He'll be there tomorrow night playing for down, what's wrong with the lad playing a bit of soccer over the Gaelic off season? Clown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 15, 2017, 07:55:11 AM
Quote from: TooLongRef on March 15, 2017, 01:53:45 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 15, 2017, 12:45:33 AM
Quote from: TooLongRef on February 08, 2016, 09:12:11 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 08, 2016, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: clowry13 on February 08, 2016, 09:00:38 PM
Sorry. I meant to say Mcgarry, got completely mixed up between him and Rushe... Although, in reply to NP.. Mckernan will clearly start, he's been the best player in recent Ulster championship games. It's only feburary
clowry13, you wanted Rushe on the panel before Christmas (is he still devoted to Ballyholland and GAA or is he in soccer mode these months?)Last season you said McGarry hadn't done it in Div2 last year so how does he merit inclusion now when there has been no football recently?

No rosskarr he's still devoted to Ballyholland and also his county under 21's 'these months' ya wankbag. Hasn't kicked a soccer ball in 2 years either, shows how much you really know.
Written a while ago by someone about devotion.Armagh City soccer😀😀.Top class standard.

You seem to be obsessed with young Rushe rosskarr. He'll be there tomorrow night playing for down, what's wrong with the lad playing a bit of soccer over the Gaelic off season? Clown
And I hope he does well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 15, 2017, 12:52:33 PM
The 2 O Neill brothers missing tonight for Armagh
I think we must now have a massive chance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 15, 2017, 02:33:53 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 15, 2017, 12:52:33 PM
The 2 O Neill brothers missing tonight for Armagh
I think we must now have a massive chance
not according to Paddy Power;;Armagh 3/10 Down 3/1 Draw 8/1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 15, 2017, 07:43:45 PM
Douvan was 1/4, c'mon Down !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on March 15, 2017, 08:24:23 PM
Any radio coverage?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 15, 2017, 09:59:42 PM
Ft result. Armagh 2-13 Down 0-12. 2 goals in last 5 minutes killed off Down in a tight match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 15, 2017, 10:15:23 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 15, 2017, 09:59:42 PM
Ft result. Armagh 2-13 Down 0-12. 2 goals in last 5 minutes killed off Down in a tight match.
When did Down last win an u21 game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 16, 2017, 12:09:17 AM
When did Down last win a championship game at minor/21/senior?
6 years since we won an under 21 match in the championship?
Considered Armagh were massively under strength tonight with upto 5 senior panelists injured and 2 others it's one that got away.(Armagh man telling me behind stand at halftime)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on March 16, 2017, 12:26:44 AM
Any reports? Anyone stand out for Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Throw ball on March 16, 2017, 12:46:47 AM
From an Armagh point of view tonight was a hard match. Down players worked extremely hard and tackled in packs which unsettled Armagh. Their full forward caused a lot of trouble in the first half and they scored a few good points in the second. The Armagh subs made a bigger difference and carried them over the line. Armagh had a number missing and will need a few back for the next day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 16, 2017, 05:02:24 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 15, 2017, 10:15:23 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 15, 2017, 09:59:42 PM
Ft result. Armagh 2-13 Down 0-12. 2 goals in last 5 minutes killed off Down in a tight match.
When did Down last win an u21 game?
when did we last win a championship match of any sort? Unfortunately 1st round defeats are becoming the norm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 16, 2017, 08:05:32 AM
I thought it was a fair result for Down,we were in it most of the game but Armagh finished very strong maybe due to the introduction of their Subs.Armagh looked fitter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 16, 2017, 08:15:35 AM
I think it's now 10 games in a row at all levels without a win
The last was back in 2015?
Don't know when the last minor/21 win was?
Could be worse we could be supporting Fermanagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on March 16, 2017, 08:21:36 AM
Was at game in Armagh and like many others thought down were in game until last 10 mins when bad decisions in front of goal came back to haunt us, much better performance than last year but I would ask the question , how many u 21 s are or could play senior football for down, unlike many other county teams I would have to say 2 at most , so that being the case something isn't right , we need a seamless transition from u 21 to senior, more of the guys on show last night must be invited into the senior panel, our no 8 last night looked capable , our keeper was playing senior , is capable but his kick outs are brutal, that's it! So we look forward to the end of May , I'm quietly confident
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 16, 2017, 08:29:24 AM
That's the problem we will never hear or see tell of these lads again
Ther are let go with no time or effort put into trying to get them to make the step up
Oilean your quietly confident against a division 3 team at home?Why wouldn't you be may I ask?
Considering armagh s diabolical record of late too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 16, 2017, 04:31:08 PM
I'm looking forward to Saturday night having missed the Derry game. What do the people who were in Derry think of how we will fair against Cill Dara?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 16, 2017, 06:18:25 PM
In response to the queries about our run of Ulster championship defeats, we managed to win our first round games at senior, U21 and minor level in 2013. Since then, I am fairly sure that, apart from the senior draw in Omagh in 2014, we have lost every other match over the three grades. Our last 11 provincial championship fixtures have therefore resulted in ten defeats and a draw - presumably the worst sequence in living memory.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 17, 2017, 08:12:50 PM
Any word of team for tomorrow nights game? Rubbish again from Down, the team or subs is never released until the last minute!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 17, 2017, 09:57:21 PM
No mention of team named
The worst PR team in Ireland no doubt
They tweet during games for about 40 minutes and then just stop?
What's that all about?
You would not have known the under 21s had a game Wednesday
Down south Kerry/Cork make a massive deal about 21s..
Same team I would expect?
Donnelly into full back in place of McGovern if he is out?Massive loss if out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 18, 2017, 07:33:37 PM
QuoteOfficial Down GAA‏Verified account @OfficialDownGAA

Free to Kildare takes them into a 0.04 to 0.02 lead on 29 mins scored by Feely dodgy enough free too


At least they're staying neutral on the Twitter account  ;D



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2017, 07:49:33 PM
It's painful stuff to watch this
Down by 4 strong breeze now this half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 18, 2017, 09:37:43 PM
Disappointing display tonight, thought kildare were well worth the win. They were stronger, especially around the middle 3rd and more direct in their attacking play. We were slow and seemed to go sideways most of the time and when we did go direct the ball didnt stick. The management were slow to make changes when the game was slipping away. Need a win next week now to have a chance to stay up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2017, 09:42:10 PM
Hard game to watch when we play like that
Everyone behind the ball with the exception of Barry O Hagen
No one to kick the ball to when we took the ball off Kildare especially in the first half
Do we have a kickout strategy?
That Kildare team were missing there 3 most influential players tonight.
I think I got carried away after beating Derry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 18, 2017, 09:46:17 PM
Not like you to get carried away Smurfy !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2017, 09:48:41 PM
Ha ha
It's a strabge league whitegoodman
Where do you think we are at?
In terms of progress?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on March 18, 2017, 09:55:51 PM
Complacency.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 18, 2017, 10:01:31 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2017, 09:48:41 PM
Ha ha
It's a strabge league whitegoodman
Where do you think we are at?
In terms of progress?
we are were we deserve to be.  we're a bottom half division 2 team and thats our level at the minute. Still think our strongest team is not on the field, at present we just dont have enough scoring forwards especially against the better teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 18, 2017, 10:16:16 PM
We have the players to be a top div 2 team and a management team to be a div 4 team IMO.   Maybe a little harsh on the management but the are too slow to react. 

Midfield was struggling all night and even 6 down they waited until it was too late until late to get support on for O Hagan up front.  Can't understand how Davidson (with all due respect) is brought on when you are chasing a game instead of Jerome.

In fairness they have seemed to find a position for Mooney that he is thriving in, a position that I thought would have suited Ryan Johnston and could still do on the other side.  McKernan is also thriving in the sweeper role.

That aside I think the management have gone from a position of no return to seeing out the year and thanks for your service but we will now be looking elsewhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 18, 2017, 11:32:31 PM
Poor enough performance tonight, we won't win many games if we don't push more men up when attacking, I know we have to be organised defensively but tonight it was hard to see where the scores were going to come from, not enough scoring forwards and midfield struggling again to win possession from our kickouts, it's going to take a big performance against either Galway or Cork for us to survive in div 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 19, 2017, 08:06:47 AM
Yes I'd be of the feeling that the management will step down at the end of the year and it will probably be a relief for him after a torrid 19 months in the job.
I was thinking Deegans to step up from 21s but not now
It's quite amazing the lack of scorer forwards who started that game
Take o hagen out how many of our other 5 forwards or 2 midfielders actually threatened the Kildare defence?
With the exception of Mooney we had very little else alll over the field
And that was us full out last night except for JJ and Paul Devlin Donal o Hare?
Anyword on Paul Devlin I seen him kicking about at half time?
Any updates on Donal O Hare?
I hate harping on about it but the PR team in this county need to step up to the plate.
1500 people at last nights game any wonder.2-3 seasons ago we probably would be getting an average of 4000 at home games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 19, 2017, 12:19:24 PM
Plenty of effort last night, but not enough quality forwards to hurt Kildare.. Murphy and Millar give 100% but not enough of an attacking threat, I'd swap Jerome for Millar, and PD for Murphy. And play Mc Parland (when/if he's back) with Turley in MF. Leaves Carr to come off the bench for Turley for last 15mins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on March 19, 2017, 12:31:47 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 19, 2017, 08:06:47 AM
Yes I'd be of the feeling that the management will step down at the end of the year and it will probably be a relief for him after a torrid 19 months in the job.
I was thinking Deegans to step up from 21s but not now
It's quite amazing the lack of scorer forwards who started that game
Take o hagen out how many of our other 5 forwards or 2 midfielders actually threatened the Kildare defence?
With the exception of Mooney we had very little else alll over the field
And that was us full out last night except for JJ and Paul Devlin Donal o Hare?
Anyword on Paul Devlin I seen him kicking about at half time?
Any updates on Donal O Hare?
I hate harping on about it but the PR team in this county need to step up to the plate.
1500 people at last nights game any wonder.2-3 seasons ago we probably would be getting an average of 4000 at home games

Attendances are way down in almost every county outside division 1 at least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: illdecide on March 20, 2017, 02:22:31 PM
Folks i'm looking for a challenge game for U16 level (North Armagh) with a Div 1 team in Down...possibly in South/West of the County. If any of you have any contacts for any decent Division 1 team give me a PM...Thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 21, 2017, 06:24:16 PM
Down v Galway Sunday
This is a game we can win if we go at them
Get the ball into O Hagen and Johnstone and they will destroy that Galway full back line
Same team as Saturday with Johnstone coming in for Millar?
Devlin in for Carr/Turley?
Any word on the injured lads
Can't wait for Sunday I have a good feeling about this game
Down 3-10
Galway 1-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 21, 2017, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 21, 2017, 06:24:16 PM
Down v Galway Sunday
This is a game we can win if we go at them
Get the ball into O Hagen and Johnstone and they will destroy that Galway full back line
Same team as Saturday with Johnstone coming in for Millar?
Devlin in for Carr/Turley?
Any word on the injured lads
Can't wait for Sunday I have a good feeling about this game
Down 3-10
Galway 1-12
Smurfy you're in a really positive mood tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on March 22, 2017, 03:35:54 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 21, 2017, 06:24:16 PM
Down v Galway Sunday
This is a game we can win if we go at them
Get the ball into O Hagen and Johnstone and they will destroy that Galway full back line
Same team as Saturday with Johnstone coming in for Millar?
Devlin in for Carr/Turley?
Any word on the injured lads
Can't wait for Sunday I have a good feeling about this game
Down 3-10
Galway 1-12

So you want change the tirelessly working half forward for an out and out score getter and a physical midfielder for a half forward . Genius
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 22, 2017, 04:37:36 PM
I would like to see a change from a low scoring half forward for an out and out scoring machine who has proved it at the highest level
I would also like to see a more attacking player replace a more defensive midfielder tontry get more scores.(it's not as if we are not getting cleaved out here anyway so why not try a more attacking player)
We are the third worst scoring team in Ireland so I don't think looking for 2 more attacking players is really that bad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on March 22, 2017, 05:10:43 PM
The first two games there wasn't much evidence of a system in place , since then it's fairly evident imo that Mc Kernan  is now a full time sweeper with Murphy and Millar working the wings and closing ball carriers down . Turley and Carr provide that physical barrier at midfield too . The 5 guys in them positions are the best available for their respective roles ATM .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 22, 2017, 05:20:57 PM
What physical barrier would that be?
Did you not see the Kildare midfield running through on Saturday night
We have Mckernan Murphy Turley Millar Carr and Maginn all dropping deep into our own defence would it not be better to get on more attacking players?
We are hardly playing the big boys in this division.Yes keep Mckernan Carr/Turley Murphy sweeping but let's add something going forward to help out o hagen and the odd time Johnstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on March 22, 2017, 05:44:40 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 22, 2017, 05:20:57 PM
What physical barrier would that be?
Did you not see the Kildare midfield running through on Saturday night
We have Mckernan Murphy Turley Millar Carr and Maginn all dropping deep into our own defence would it not be better to get on more attacking players?
We are hardly playing the big boys in this division.Yes keep Mckernan Carr/Turley Murphy sweeping but let's add something going forward to help out o hagen and the odd time Johnstone

No I didn't ,

And yes we are playing the big boys at our level so to sacrifice defence for attack against them only goes 1 way in my eyes. The only player I see making way for Jerome is Ryan

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 22, 2017, 05:50:33 PM
Why would you take of a scoring threat in Ryan?
Jerome Ryan Barry are our only score getters
Take into account Mooney scored a lovely couple of points on Saturday night
I'm not haven a go at any player here I just think we need more scoring forwards on Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 22, 2017, 06:11:31 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 22, 2017, 05:50:33 PM
Why would you take of a scoring threat in Ryan?
Jerome Ryan Barry are our only score getters
Take into account Mooney scored a lovely couple of points on Saturday night
I'm not haven a go at any player here I just think we need more scoring forwards on Sunday?
100% smurfy. why would you take one of the best players in the county from the team? ryan and jerome need to start, paul devlin should be starting. mark poland needs to be getting more than 3/4 mimutes at the end. barry o hagan is the only scoring threat playing, your not going to win too many games playing like that. murphy and millar are honest players but offer very little on the scoreboard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 23, 2017, 07:40:36 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 22, 2017, 06:11:31 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 22, 2017, 05:50:33 PM
Why would you take of a scoring threat in Ryan?
Jerome Ryan Barry are our only score getters
Take into account Mooney scored a lovely couple of points on Saturday night
I'm not haven a go at any player here I just think we need more scoring forwards on Sunday?
100% smurfy. why would you take one of the best players in the county from the team? ryan and jerome need to start, paul devlin should be starting. mark poland needs to be getting more than 3/4 mimutes at the end. barry o hagan is the only scoring threat playing, your not going to win too many games playing like that. murphy and millar are honest players but offer very little on the scoreboard.
It'd be useful to see listed who has contributed to our scoring since the start of the League. We had been scoring well in the Mickey Mouse Cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 23, 2017, 08:46:25 AM
I would think Barry O Hagan tops the scoring then Ryan Johnstone with Darragh O Hanlon probably third.Mooney would be fourth with 4-5 points then your are talking 1-2 points from Maginn Murphy Miller Carr McKernan.
6-7 points scored from our Midfield and half forward line in 5 games is a worrying statistic
Look at the Dublin half forward line in Connolly McMenimum and Flynn they would be looking 1-6 per game from those 3 plus they have a solid defence
I'm not saying we are anywhere near Dublin but I just feel we need to add something going forward this weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 23, 2017, 09:21:07 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 23, 2017, 08:46:25 AM
I would think Barry O Hagan tops the scoring then Ryan Johnstone with Darragh O Hanlon probably third.Mooney would be fourth with 4-5 points then your are talking 1-2 points from Maginn Murphy Miller Carr McKernan.
6-7 points scored from our Midfield and half forward line in 5 games is a worrying statistic
Look at the Dublin half forward line in Connolly McMenimum and Flynn they would be looking 1-6 per game from those 3 plus they have a solid defence
I'm not saying we are anywhere near Dublin but I just feel we need to add something going forward this weekend

What's that saying about not comparing yourself to others, for you'll only become vain or bitter?


If you're looking to draw comparisons, do it with D2 teams. Or even D1 teams that aren't Dublin!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 23, 2017, 02:45:58 PM
Fair enough good point Wobbler
I'll not let on I know all other half forward lines in division 2
All I am saying is I would like to see 2 more attacking minded players to come into the team for the next 2 games?
And if we get hammered then go back to 12 behind the ball at least we know it does not work
Wobbler do you totally disagree?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 23, 2017, 05:24:53 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 23, 2017, 02:45:58 PM
Fair enough good point Wobbler
I'll not let on I know all other half forward lines in division 2
All I am saying is I would like to see 2 more attacking minded players to come into the team for the next 2 games?
And if we get hammered then go back to 12 behind the ball at least we know it does not work
Wobbler do you totally disagree?

Yeah I would agree.

We need at least 3 genuine scoring threats on the field, otherwise all the defensive / counter-attack game does is put even more pressure on the defence to keep the opposition in check.

Ideally these lads would be workhorses too, but if 12 men can't protect their own 45, then we are in trouble.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 25, 2017, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: wobbller on March 24, 2017, 05:25:32 PM
Poland and Davison should start.
Why either of these?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 25, 2017, 07:58:59 PM
The best forward in the county by a distance should at this stage be starting and its strange that people would see the likes of Davidson ahead of him.

I do agree that there needs to be someone up front to help O Hagan at the expense of one of murphy or Miller.  I'd also have Devlin on but at the expense of Maginn rather than a midfielder.  McParland for Carr as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 25, 2017, 08:07:24 PM
On the basis of what would you have McParland in white?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 25, 2017, 09:46:41 PM
His performances at midfield for Glenn last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 25, 2017, 09:58:28 PM
McAnulty from Ballyholland give him the run around in Newry when they met in the championship.He could not keep up with him and I think McAnulty ended up scoring 3 points from play and that's not the norm for him.McParland was a great underage talent and looked to be the next number 6 for Down for many years but that doesn't look like happening.He would need 2-3 years playing centre half back for Glenn with no distractions.A county defender maybe but he is not even in the top 10 midfielders in Down club football and that's saying alot
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 25, 2017, 11:27:32 PM
Give me 5 names that are available that you think are better than him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 25, 2017, 11:49:44 PM
McKay Burren
Toner Burren
Mallon CPN
Greenan Kilcoo
Morgan Kilcoo
Parr Rostrevor
Madine Saval (great midfielder)
C Poland longstone
Rooney Burren
McAnulty Ballyholland
Hardy Castlewellan
Burns Castlewellan
Ireland ford
Sommers ford
Doherty Downpatrick


All as equal i would say
Nothing special for all that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on March 25, 2017, 11:54:56 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 25, 2017, 11:49:44 PM
McKay Burren
Toner Burren
Mallon CPN
Greenan Kilcoo
Morgan Kilcoo
Parr Rostrevor
Madine Saval (great midfielder)
C Poland longstone
Rooney Burren
McAnulty Ballyholland
Hardy Castlewellan
Burns Castlewellan
Ireland ford
Sommers ford
Doherty Downpatrick


All as equal i would say
Nothing special for all that

Your winding me up??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on March 25, 2017, 11:58:22 PM
Davidson was our top scorer in mckenna cup.got dropped because of the clare game were everyone played poorly.the team played well in the two subsequent games,and he hasn't had a look in since. He is obviously a scoring threat,and can hit frees and 45's.how people are saying he shouldn't be starting is beyond me.especially when we are getting dangerously close to the armagh championship game where every score or missed score will count.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 26, 2017, 12:26:13 AM
No Hedgehunter.
Is it that far left field?
A few wild cards fired in alright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 26, 2017, 12:10:00 PM
Quote from: east down gael on March 25, 2017, 11:58:22 PM
Davidson was our top scorer in mckenna cup.got dropped because of the clare game were everyone played poorly.the team played well in the two subsequent games,and he hasn't had a look in since. He is obviously a scoring threat,and can hit frees and 45's.how people are saying he shouldn't be starting is beyond me.especially when we are getting dangerously close to the armagh championship game where every score or missed score will count.

Is he better than O Hagan or Jerome ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 26, 2017, 05:18:05 PM
All we need is to beat or draw with Cork and for Derry to beat Fermanagh. Easy.

Before the start of the league, people would have said the Fermanagh, Clare, Meath and Derry games were the only ones we could win, particularly the latter three. Lose 50% of your winnable games and you can't complain about facing the drop on the last day of the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 26, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
It is fairly typical of our season that we lost a game today by eight points which we could easily have won. The crucial moment was our best move when Barry O'Hagan took a brilliant catch and gave a pass to Ryan Johnston which left him with only the keeper to beat. A goal would have brought us level with 20 minutes to go, the wind behind us and a man up. Johnston is normally an excellent finisher but he hit it straight at the keeper, we missed the subsequent 45 and the match slipped away from us.

It was not a good day for us defensively, although Cunningham was unlucky with the first penalty and black card as he came off his line to make a decent save and his momentum carried him into the forward. The kick out came straight back in again, our central defenders hesitated and we had conceded two goals in less than a minute.

Several of our backs are happier pushing up than actually marking, and our midfield worked hard but frequently struggled against two opponents who had height and pace on their side.

Our forwards cover a huge amount of ground, but other than O'Hagan do not bring much of a scoring threat. A win in Cork is overdue and not out of the question but the indications are that we are slipping to a second consecutive relegation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 26, 2017, 07:37:03 PM
Unless we can beat Cork it's looking like 2 relaxations in 2 years.Shocking
Kildare on the other havd will have gained 2 straight promotions
We are all over the place as a county with the supporters well and truly not even showing up for games now
From the days of James McCartan when we were competing against Kerry Tyrone Mayo Donegal Galway we are now not even close to a flaky Galway/Kildare
Midfield again was a major problem surely 1 of the 10 men along with this team can see it?
O Hagen Mooney and O Hanlon with most of our scores sure why would you pick a Mark Poland or Paul Devlin in the forward line they are proven scorers.
The sub keepers comes on and kicks the ball over the sideline which resulted in a goal.Any keepers about?
God help us if O Hagen or Mooney pick up an injury
Cavan can draw against Kerry and beat Mayo.
I'm not falling into the crap excuse we have not the players.If anyone says Cavan have better players than us they are badly mistaken.Badly coached and badly organised.
Time to swallow the pride lads and get Jim McCorry back
The only plus about this weekend is that Armagh are equally as bad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 26, 2017, 07:52:49 PM
Very hard to win away in Cork so Down all but relegated. At least this is the end of the road for Burns and his backroom. Losing to Fermanagh at home was as bad as it gets. Who would want the job though facing Div 3 next year. Big effort needed to win against Armagh on Champ, both as poor as eachother.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 26, 2017, 08:31:20 PM
We have a smattering of decent to good players, a few average layers and quite a few poor players.  Coupled with a non existent midfield and a management team completely out of their league, we are on the road to nowhere.

A Harte, McGuiness, Gallagher or dare I say it McCartan might do something respectable with this team but div 3 and out in the first or second round of the qualifiers is in the pipeline.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 26, 2017, 08:33:37 PM
Another year of nothing. Which i suppose is the Down way
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 26, 2017, 08:43:10 PM
another poor display today sees us all but relegated. midfield got wiped out and the defence struggled all day against strong running galway forwards. the forwards struggled to get much change from the galway defence although we did hit a couple of excellent long range scores. the game was in the balance up until they hit 2 quick fire goals but even after they got the man sent off they were still well on top.
the supporters seem to have deserted the team as well with a very poor crowd turning up with maybe half of those in attendance from galway. another disappointing day in a long list of poor days.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 26, 2017, 08:46:13 PM
Spot On whitegoodman about the panel of players at our disposal.
2 relegations on the bounce looks likely but I would imagine our county board will make no changes next year and the same management team will be in place.
Donegal have lost about 10 starters in the last 2 years and is still Competitive
Where does Down football go from here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on March 26, 2017, 09:00:54 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 26, 2017, 08:46:13 PM
Spot On whitegoodman about the panel of players at our disposal.
2 relegations on the bounce looks likely but I would imagine our county board will make no changes next year and the same management team will be in place.
Donegal have lost about 10 starters in the last 2 years and is still Competitive
Where does Down football go from here?

Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 26, 2017, 09:09:35 PM
Down maybe?
If we go down to division 3 next year it will be one tough league to get out of.
Johnstone Poland Devlin have to start next Sunday against Cork
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 27, 2017, 09:30:52 AM
Social media is saying Mark Poland was dropped from the 26 and played for Longstond yesterday scoring 1-3 in the process from play.This is just unacceptable.Leave the personally issues aside and pick the best players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 27, 2017, 09:35:20 AM
Down are a laughing stock. But can anyone realistically see the incompetance changing anytime soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 27, 2017, 12:15:46 PM
You got it in 1 snoopdog.To leave a player out of the 26 due to personal issues is not acceptable at this level.I could not imagine Mark Poland being a troublemaker around the dressing room.Would he have 20 minutes football in him from the star of the year?There is about 20 men running around in the Down backroom team from different counties and this is the way we treat our own.
Another few problems lie within our promotion of our teams.
I have said it before that the Down PRO team are the worst in Ireland.Not a word of any of their matches prior to any game this year on social media.No wonder we are down to 1300 at games.It doesn't cost a penny to promote things on social media.
The only PR work that was done this year was the re launch of club down 3 months ago and it has been a dead donkey.In the back page of yesterday's programme club down congratulated St Mary's university etc on recent success which is fine but surely a full page on fundraising events that they should be at would be more appropriate as that's what they are getting paid to do?
If Down put there best 15 on against Cork they can win but that includes Mark Poland.For the greater good of Down football put your personall differences with Mark to the side
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on March 27, 2017, 12:21:35 PM
It's a shame Poland isn't playing as he is always a stand out player any time I've seen longstone play. What are the personal issues with him?

Obviously if it's not something that should be shared on here, don't bother telling me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 27, 2017, 12:27:56 PM
I meant personal issues between himself and the management
Why else would he be playin for his club on the morning of a county's match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 27, 2017, 02:13:31 PM
Irish News have us ahead of Fermanagh on the league tble but surely they are ahead of us on the head to head.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 27, 2017, 07:58:55 PM
Mark Poland has been a great player for Down and for him to be excluded from the match panel of 26 just sums up where Down football is at the minute, unlike a lot of Down supporters he was at the match anyway, he was over on the terraces beside us, totally outnumbered by Galway ones though!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 27, 2017, 10:37:55 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 27, 2017, 09:30:52 AM
Social media is saying Mark Poland was dropped from the 26 and played for Longstond yesterday scoring 1-3 in the process from play.This is just unacceptable.Leave the personally issues aside and pick the best players

Incorrect, he did not play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 27, 2017, 11:21:34 PM
 A decent PR in the County could ward off all this talk.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on March 30, 2017, 05:59:52 PM
So the leagues start next week! What are the promotion relegation predictions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cb66 on March 31, 2017, 08:28:33 AM
Div 1- Kilcoo, Burren up at top again. Castlewellan always good league team and fancy Mayobridge to have good year. Probably looking at a battle at the bottom between Downpatrick, An Riocht and Longstone.

Div 2- Between Rostrevor and Saval for me. Loughinisland there or thereabouts and Annaclone be up there I believe. Drumaness and Shamrocks to go down. Good quality Division 2 this year!

Div3- Tullylish and Clann Na Banna too good for the division and think they will run away with it.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on March 31, 2017, 01:18:40 PM
Clonduff will give Kilcoo and Burren a run for it this year I think. Any two of 6 could go down.
Loughinisland will be favourites for Div2 while Saval should be stronger than they were last year. Drumaness
Favourites to go down with a dog fight for the other place.
Clan na Banna to win Div 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 31, 2017, 05:02:01 PM
1-Kilcoo
2-Burren
3-Clonduff
4-Castlewellan
5-Bryansford
6-Mayobridge
7-CPN
8-Downpatrick
9-Ballyholland
10-Longstone
11-Glenn
12-An Rioct

Anyone between 3-10 could find themselves in any of those 8 positions it is that tight.Kilcoo and Burren and maybe Clonduff are a bit ahead with the usual suspects behind.

Division 2
Saval and Rostrevor

Division 3
Tullylish and Clana Banna
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 31, 2017, 11:03:43 PM
Id split Div 1 into 4 levels, one level in particular way above the rest;

Kilcoo





Burren

Castlewellan
Clonduff
Bryansford
Mayobridge

The rest
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2017, 09:55:05 AM
Down name an unchanged team for the fourth game
Some changes expected?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on April 01, 2017, 10:04:29 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2017, 09:55:05 AM
Down name an unchanged team for the fourth game
Some changes expected?
Poor thought process with this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2017, 10:07:19 AM
What
Releasing the same team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on April 01, 2017, 10:11:07 AM
 You'd think they would give some of the other panel members a chance to improve on the failings of the past few games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2017, 10:48:02 AM
He is loyal to his players I'll give him that much.We kept the same team for the first 2 games then made wholesale changes for the Meath game and we basically have had the same team throughout the rest of the league.Id agree with you imagine surely it is time to make 3-4 changes to see what other lads can do.I know it's not a game to be messing about in but changes needed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on April 01, 2017, 11:29:51 AM
Defence was wide open at times in the 2nd half last Sunday, changes definitely needed there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 01, 2017, 03:01:45 PM
Result from Ulster Minor League:  Down 1-10 Armagh 1-9, as the scoreline suggests a very close match with both sides near to full strength, a Connor Clark free won it for Down with a few minutes left, should be a good game on 4th June!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on April 01, 2017, 07:47:15 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2017, 10:07:19 AM
What
Releasing the same team?
12 a-side tomorrow?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8WSD-yW0AA5hmC.jpg:large
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 01, 2017, 08:10:19 PM
Shambles again from the PRO. can't even take a photo   properly, laughing stock really. I take it, that's the same team named as previous 2 games?
Ridiculous that tomorrow is the last league game and  Down have hardly gave any game time to Poland or Jerome, MF has been cleaned out in most games with very little been done to change this. Im not suggesting changing the team drastically each game, but surely a few more players should have be given game time, not as if we have been winning or performing well!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 01, 2017, 08:23:37 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on April 01, 2017, 08:10:19 PM
Shambles again from the PRO. can't even take a photo   properly, laughing stock really. I take it, that's the same team named as previous 2 games?
Ridiculous that tomorrow is the last league game and  Down have hardly gave any game time to Poland or Jerome, MF has been cleaned out in most games with very little been done to change this. Im not suggesting changing the team drastically each game, but surely a few more players should have be given game time, not as if we have been winning or performing well!

They've updated it now with a screenshot of the full team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 01, 2017, 08:28:24 PM
Irish News gets the team last night and Down Twitter releases it tonight.Shameful
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 01, 2017, 09:50:59 PM
Down's twitter is awful, the minors and u17's both had games today against Armagh and not a mention of either, whoever is responsible get your act together!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2017, 09:54:46 PM
I have said it before and I'll say it again the PR in this county is the worst in Ireland.For example Antrim have posted around 300 posts on social media from last Sundays league games,Down 1 post
Galway are posting a potential do or die game in both hurling and football with an estimated crowd of 10000.We can't even post a full stern picture.If it was a business them people would have been sacked long ago.Its ridiculous these people get away with it.Rant over
Let's concentrate on winning tomorrow and start preparing for Armagh.It is a game which we can win. If the official website released that team surely it's the correct team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on April 02, 2017, 04:19:00 AM
Yes we will probably lose  tomorrow and get relegated because the person that runs a facebook page didn't post a full picture of the starting team.  Jesus some of you lot on this board have really lost the plot. We have a county board that have plunged us into debt and are forcing the clubs to pay it off, a management team completely out of their depth, and a county full of our best players that won't commit to playing for their county and all you lot can do is give out about a f-ing PRO. You lot need to get out more instead of sitting staring at your phones waiting for the next post on downs facebook page
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 02, 2017, 07:46:09 AM
Quote from: Hoes before bros on April 02, 2017, 04:19:00 AM
Yes we will probably lose  tomorrow and get relegated because the person that runs a facebook page didn't post a full picture of the starting team.  Jesus some of you lot on this board have really lost the plot. We have a county board that have plunged us into debt and are forcing the clubs to pay it off, a management team completely out of their depth, and a county full of our best players that won't commit to playing for their county and all you lot can do is give out about a f-ing PRO. You lot need to get out more instead of sitting staring at your phones waiting for the next post on downs facebook page

It's a discussion forum. The other issues have been talked about before if you care to read back over the past 12 months of posts. Would you rather that people said nothing on a discussion forum?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 02, 2017, 07:50:48 AM
Where did I say if we are beaten today it's the PRO fault?
I am saying that our social media outlets are the worst in Ireland.Is it really that hard to start promoting games in this county?Not 1 post in the week leading up to games which this weekend involves the senior footballers,hurlers minor footballers and under 17 footballers.It is small things like this that our county needs to get sorted out to bring the good feel factor back to Down football.Other county's in Ireland have hundreds of things per week.
I think Down will win by 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 02, 2017, 08:35:01 AM
The point is Down are a shambles from top to bottom. Think thats the point most are making is everything needs changed in Down GAA. Div 3 is our level with the current set up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 02, 2017, 08:51:50 AM
That's exactly the point snoopdog.
Down need a clear out from top to bottom when this season comes to an end.
But for the next manager to start building for the future division 2 is where Down need to be so today's game is a must win game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on April 02, 2017, 09:58:42 AM
The soloution is simple , bring in wee pete and wee James and Mc Corry (triple threat )  ,then bring back Marty clarke , benny and big dan who are all raring to go , make smurfy here the new pro because he clearly has too much time on his hands and then spin down to cork , play the down way of all out attack and solidify div2 status . Build on this next year with an Ulster title and the year after with Sam

Simples really
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 02, 2017, 10:09:37 AM
Ok Stiff i won't mention the pro again.:)
The Down way is finished but let's play with maybe 4 players in the forward line?
Is davidson injured?
Donal O Hare still out?
Can we dream of an Ulster title stiff?
Down will win by 2-3 points today let's keep the faith?
Armagh are setting themselves up for a hiding on the 4th of June.McKeever playing at full forward.Really!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 02, 2017, 11:33:17 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on April 02, 2017, 09:58:42 AM
The soloution is simple , bring in wee pete and wee James and Mc Corry (triple threat )  ,then bring back Marty clarke , benny and big dan who are all raring to go , make smurfy here the new pro because he clearly has too much time on his hands and then spin down to cork , play the down way of all out attack and solidify div2 status . Build on this next year with an Ulster title and the year after with Sam

Simples really

I don't agree with everything Smurfy comes out with but he's right about the PRO, publicity is the public face of the organisation and it needs to be better. Posting a half arsed picture of the programme 10 minutes before the game starts or finishing the live updates after 50 minutes isn't really acceptable in this day and age.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on April 02, 2017, 12:32:29 PM
Let's now follow Cork Gaa Twitter--it'll be better than the Down account's output unless stiff breeze helps out his fellow club member.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 02, 2017, 12:33:27 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on April 02, 2017, 09:58:42 AM
The soloution is simple , bring in wee pete and wee James and Mc Corry (triple threat )  ,then bring back Marty clarke , benny and big dan who are all raring to go , make smurfy here the new pro because he clearly has too much time on his hands and then spin down to cork , play the down way of all out attack and solidify div2 status . Build on this next year with an Ulster title and the year after with Sam

Simples really
dont be an arse. smurfys point is perfectly valid, check out  antrim, tyrone, derry etc twitter pages. the promotion of gaelic games on social media is vital.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 02, 2017, 02:11:28 PM
Jonathan Flynn and Jerome Johnston started for Down, with apparently Aidan Carr and Joe Murphy dropping out. Cork radio says we opened brightly but hit several wides. Jerome got our first point and Cork then equalised from a free.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 02, 2017, 02:16:11 PM
0-04 to 0-01 to Cork now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on April 02, 2017, 02:35:15 PM
Strange decision to bring Flynn in for Carr
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 02, 2017, 02:43:04 PM
HT Cork 1-6 Down 0-5. We are reportedly competing well but have hit numerous wides and also picked up five yellow cards. The goal conceded just before half time was definitely a blow, and we are going to need a decent third quarter if relegation is to be avoided.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 02, 2017, 02:49:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 02, 2017, 02:43:04 PM
HT Cork 1-6 Down 0-5. We are reportedly competing well but have hit numerous wides and also picked up five yellow cards. The goal conceded just before half time was definitely a blow, and we are going to need a decent third quarter if relegation is to be avoided.

Where are you listening to it?


EDIT: Got it now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 02, 2017, 03:43:39 PM
Stay up by the skin of our teeth and Armagh are kept in Division 3 for another year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 02, 2017, 03:47:15 PM
Down stay up just about but that's all that counts .A brilliant point to survive
And to make things even better  Armagh are still in division 3.
You Could not make it up
Bring on June the 4th to put the final nail in the coffin for McGeeney
Ha ha ha ha
What a brilliant league this has been for excitement


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on April 02, 2017, 03:53:54 PM
 And well done to the Down Twitter operator today.Good coverage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on April 02, 2017, 04:00:24 PM
How do we stay up? We're on five points with Clare but with an inferior scoring difference.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on April 02, 2017, 04:02:46 PM
Too quick on the button, thought Derry lost to Fermanagh!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on April 02, 2017, 04:03:29 PM
Well said imagine. Great result today. I couldn't be arsed going to the game but I followed it from start to finish on the Twitter feed. It's great that we have that option for people like myself and smurfy. In fact some of the credit for keeping us in the division must go to our PR team🙈🙈
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 02, 2017, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: saulzer on April 02, 2017, 04:00:24 PM
How do we stay up? We're on five points with Clare but with an inferior scoring difference.

Also level with Derry on 5 who have an inferior scoring difference.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 02, 2017, 04:06:54 PM
Well done the PR team in Down
Great stuff with the coverage throughout the game
Now let's get down to real business and put and end to Armaghs already pathetic session
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on April 02, 2017, 04:19:21 PM
😂😂😂 He's a madman 👆
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 02, 2017, 05:25:53 PM
Well against all odds we have stayed up so well done to Eamonn Burns, management team and particularly the players.
From the weekend papers it looked as if Armagh would be coming in as Division 3 champions against a downtrodden and relegated Down so there is great delight ( and a fair degree of upyourholerey) that is not the case.
Question for all posters- in three lines or less;
What does Eamonn Burns need to do to get a result on 4th June ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 02, 2017, 05:42:04 PM
Cork 1-10 Down 0-13

Down just about secured their Allianz FL Division 2 status as three late points gave them a draw against Cork in Páirc Uí Rinn.

When John O'Rourke got his second point of the game for the hosts in the 60th minute, they were 1-10 to 0-10 ahead set to cruise to victory, but as on previous occasions in this league campaign, they allowed themselves to be shaken from a leading position,

Brothers Ryan and Jerome Johnston were the Down heroes, with Ryan cutting the gap to two before Jerome's 69th-minute point from a 45.

While the latter was off-target with another 45, there was time for Down to win a free out on the right and he curled it over impressively with his left foot, results elsewhere seeing Down survive on scoring difference.

Had they lost and been relegated for the second year in a row, they would have been reflecting on poor shooting, particularly in the first half, when they had nine wides.

Colm O'Neill was in good form as Cork built an early lead and while Down responded with points from Darragh O'Hanlon and Caolán Mooney to trail by two, 0-06 to 0-04, Cork struck for a goal - Ruairí Deane with a nice finish from Paul Kerrigan's pass.

Down goalkeeper Michael Cunningham pointed a late free to leave them four behind at half-time and they began the second half well with points from Barry O'Hagan, Mooney and Shay Millar.

The equaliser was elusive and when Cork pushed on again, through O'Neill, Kerrigan and Deane, that looked to be that. Down had other ideas, however.

CORK: K O'Halloran; M Shields, Tom Clancy (Clonakilty), K Crowley; C O'Driscoll, J Loughrey, S Cronin; A O'Connor, R Deane (1-01); K O'Driscoll, J O'Rourke (0-01), I Maguire; C O'Neill (0-06, 0-04 frees), P Kelleher, P Kerrigan (0-02).

Subs: A Walsh for O'Connor (half-time), D Óg Hodnett for Kelleher (46), B O'Driscoll for Maguire (48), J O'Sullivan for Clancy (53), J McLoughlin for Shields (57), D O'Connor for O'Rourke (70).

DOWN: M Cunningham (0-01, free); D O'Hagan, B McArdle, R McAnallen; D O'Hanlon (0-01, free), C McGovern, J Flynn; C Mooney (0-02), P Turley; K McKernan, C Maginn, R Johnston (0-02); B O'Hagan (0-01), J Johnston (0-05, 0-04 frees, 0-01 45), S Millar (0-01).

Subs: S Dornan for O'Hagan (46), J Murphy for Flynn (51), M Poland for Maginn (64), A Davidson for Millar (64).

Referee: J Molloy (Galway).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 02, 2017, 08:28:17 PM
I have to give it to EB to bring on 2 attacking players for the last 7-8 minutes to snatch the draw was great management.All is forgiven what a point to stay in this division
The 4th of June can't come quick enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 02, 2017, 08:35:06 PM
When the championship comes round, three priorities would be a kick-out strategy that works, as we have been patchy in that regard; improving our shooting, as the 15 wides today could easily have cost us our draw; and maintaining our discipline, as we had five yellows in the first half alone against Cork. However, for most of the league and indeed for almost all of this afternoon, it looked as though in June Armagh would be the D2 side and we would be in the third. The fact that it will be the other way around has definitely given us a boost after an exceptionally difficult period for players and management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 02, 2017, 08:38:28 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 02, 2017, 08:28:17 PM
I have to give it to EB to bring on 2 attacking players for the last 7-8 minutes to snatch the draw was great management.All is forgiven what a point to stay in this division
The 4th of June can't come quick enough
great management or last desperate throw of the dice?? whatever it was well done to everyone on securing division 2 status for another year. as for june 4th, jerome johnston needs to be one of the 1st names on the teamsheet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 02, 2017, 08:44:17 PM
Don't let the Orange men score difference fool anyone
They hammered a poor Offaly team out the gate and Louth had a bad day
Tipp Loais and I think Sligo beat them
They beat Longford by 2 and Antrim by 2 who missed a penalty with 2 minutes to go
They had 4 home games.Its McGeeneys third or fourth year
They had 2 decent results and they think they are great
We will win pulling up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 02, 2017, 08:53:49 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 02, 2017, 08:44:17 PM
Don't let the Orange men score difference fool anyone
They hammered a poor Offaly team out the gate and Louth had a bad day
Tipp Loais and I think Sligo beat them
They beat Longford by 2 and Antrim by 2 who missed a penalty with 2 minutes to go
They had 4 home games.Its McGeeneys third or fourth year
They had 2 decent results and they think they are great
We will win pulling up
i'm expecting and hoping in equal measure that we beat armagh but i wouldnt be putting too much money on us winning pulling up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 02, 2017, 10:41:34 PM
2 great results today, Down's draw in Cork and Armagh's defeat leaves us in a far better place going into championship preparations, bring on 4th June !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 02, 2017, 11:08:41 PM
What an outcome today, I mean seriously, after two games, how many actually thought that we would still be in Div 2 come the end of the league. Fair play to the lads for turning it around. It appears we now have one of the highest scoring half back lines in the country in mooney and o Hanlon. It also FINALLY appears that we have scoring forwards on the team in the Johnston's and o hagan. If the kick out strategy can be sorted out, we will have come a long way from where we finished last season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 03, 2017, 07:44:45 AM
Perfect results yesterday for June4th
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 03, 2017, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on April 02, 2017, 11:08:41 PM
What an outcome today, I mean seriously, after two games, how many actually thought that we would still be in Div 2 come the end of the league. Fair play to the lads for turning it around. It appears we now have one of the highest scoring half back lines in the country in mooney and o Hanlon. It also FINALLY appears that we have scoring forwards on the team in the Johnston's and o hagan. If the kick out strategy can be sorted out, we will have come a long way from where we finished last season.
Yes we have come a long way but it's actually from the bottom of Div 1 to 6th in Div 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 03, 2017, 11:24:17 PM
What a difference a week makes in football
Over on the other threads
McGeeney Out
Harte Out
McGrath Out
Barton Out
McGleenan Out
And after all that happened in the league things could be looking up for EB and co
B+ I would rate this league campaign
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on April 03, 2017, 11:46:53 PM
😂😂😂 he's a madman 👆
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 04, 2017, 11:16:57 AM
While it was good to stay in Div 2 there is a hell of a lot to do in next 8 weeks to Championship. I dont think there is much between Down and Armagh and it will be a very close game in Newry.  A win against Armagh would be great and a decent semi final showing. But its still probably the end of the road for this management team.  Next year on Div 2 will be tougher  again .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 04, 2017, 11:26:57 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 03, 2017, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on April 02, 2017, 11:08:41 PM
What an outcome today, I mean seriously, after two games, how many actually thought that we would still be in Div 2 come the end of the league. Fair play to the lads for turning it around. It appears we now have one of the highest scoring half back lines in the country in mooney and o Hanlon. It also FINALLY appears that we have scoring forwards on the team in the Johnston's and o hagan. If the kick out strategy can be sorted out, we will have come a long way from where we finished last season.
Yes we have come a long way but it's actually from the bottom of Div 1 to 6th in Div 2.
Very good  ;D
You have to at least admit though that the spirit amongst the group is at the other end of the scale to what it was last year.  They are fighting for each other, and not with each other as some would have said earlier in the year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mightymad on April 04, 2017, 12:07:58 PM
Minor league starts again tonight? who is the big teams for this years minor league and championship.  I see a big opener for mayobridge against burren surely bridge are the underdogs in this one??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 04, 2017, 04:19:00 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on April 04, 2017, 11:26:57 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 03, 2017, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on April 02, 2017, 11:08:41 PM
What an outcome today, I mean seriously, after two games, how many actually thought that we would still be in Div 2 come the end of the league. Fair play to the lads for turning it around. It appears we now have one of the highest scoring half back lines in the country in mooney and o Hanlon. It also FINALLY appears that we have scoring forwards on the team in the Johnston's and o hagan. If the kick out strategy can be sorted out, we will have come a long way from where we finished last season.
Yes we have come a long way but it's actually from the bottom of Div 1 to 6th in Div 2.
Very good  ;D
You have to at least admit though that the spirit amongst the group is at the other end of the scale to what it was last year.  They are fighting for each other, and not with each other as some would have said earlier in the year.
Still in Div 2 is quite an achievement from the talk after our first two defeats.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 04, 2017, 11:16:54 PM
Quote from: mightymad on April 04, 2017, 12:07:58 PM
Minor league starts again tonight? who is the big teams for this years minor league and championship.  I see a big opener for mayobridge against burren surely bridge are the underdogs in this one??

Sounds like a man that knows the answers to his own questions! Any results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 05, 2017, 07:55:59 AM
http://www.downgaa.net/results
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 05, 2017, 12:11:06 PM
Relegation and Promotion choices from the 4 Divisions?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 06, 2017, 10:11:38 PM
Good win for the point against Bryansford this evening 2-11-0-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on April 06, 2017, 10:55:59 PM
Aye I was at it. Packing Downey playing for Ford. Scored a point maybe 2 first half. Didn't come out for the 2nd half I don't think. Donagh Mcaleenan and Danny Savage a class apart. Stand out players on the pitch. CPN deserved to win but 6 points flatters them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on April 07, 2017, 09:42:41 AM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on April 06, 2017, 10:55:59 PM
Aye I was at it. Packing Downey playing for Ford. Scored a point maybe 2 first half. Didn't come out for the 2nd half I don't think. Donagh Mcaleenan and Danny Savage a class apart. Stand out players on the pitch. CPN deserved to win but 6 points flatters them
Thought the Ford deserved something from the game but they were very wasteful in front of the posts. Could have had a penalty near the end before the Point got their 2nd goal. For me Savage and the 2 Mc Aleenan's were excellent. The Point had a very strong bench to turn to which got them over the line,would be very surprised if a few of them aren't starting in their next game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 07, 2017, 11:18:16 AM
Ford got what they deserved. They never looked close to winning that game.
They couldn't stop fouling when/where it mattered and they hadn't the legs for a very mobile Point team with a few fellas blowin out their arse well before the end.
A weak bench too and only Danny Savage as a threat up front.
Packie Downey didn't want to know either. Bettered by an 18yr old, albeit a good one.
Younger MacAleenan a different class to all else on the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 07, 2017, 11:38:45 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on April 07, 2017, 11:18:16 AM
Ford got what they deserved. They never looked close to winning that game.
They couldn't stop fouling when/where it mattered and they hadn't the legs for a very mobile Point team with a few fellas blowin out their arse well before the end.
A weak bench too and only Danny Savage as a threat up front.
Packie Downey didn't want to know either. Bettered by an 18yr old, albeit a good one.
Younger MacAleenan a different class to all else on the field.
Who is the 18yr old?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6061689194 on April 07, 2017, 01:53:23 PM
Patrick Murdock was full back

I thought Ciaran McCartan (before going off injured) and Ryan Mallon stood out also for the Point

Conor Maginn had a decent first half for Ford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 07, 2017, 01:59:16 PM
CPN or the club formally known as Warrenpoint for the championship!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on April 07, 2017, 02:55:35 PM
Quote from: downjim on April 07, 2017, 01:59:16 PM
CPN or the club formally known as Warrenpoint for the championship!

All they have to do is beat Kilcoo!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 07, 2017, 09:06:55 PM
Any reports from tonight? Glenn with a 1point win over Ballyholland 0-11 to 0-10.. 9-2 at HT but ballyholland came roaring back in the 2nd half but Glenn just managed to hold on..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on April 07, 2017, 09:49:58 PM
The Town beat Kilcoo and won the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on April 07, 2017, 09:50:50 PM
Mayobridge edged RGU by 2. Hoops missed a penalty, Magee blasted in over the bar. Shortly after, ref give Benny Coulter a penalty for ......er... being Benny Coulter, as far as anyone could see. Bridge keeper made a fingertip save from a 25 yard piledriver from Collins near the end. Exciting enough game, but plenty of errors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 07, 2017, 10:03:16 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on April 07, 2017, 09:49:58 PM
The Town beat Kilcoo and won the league.
How does it feel to win last years league with the 1st league game of the new season?? Feel like a damp squib??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on April 07, 2017, 10:18:59 PM
Our club is bouncing! Haters gonna hate. Winners gonna win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 07, 2017, 10:19:57 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on April 07, 2017, 10:18:59 PM
Our club is bouncing! Haters gonna hate. Winners gonna win
Good to hear.... enjoy....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: UlsterMan2 on April 09, 2017, 12:18:07 AM
First time posting, was at mayobridge on Friday night and thought Kieran Trainor made three very brave calls, 1st giving rgu a penalty, which they missed, 2nd giving mayobridge a stone wall penalty moments later, and 3rd making the bridge retake a penalty which was taken while he was in the process of booking a rgu player, he showed balls, which is lacking in a lot of refs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Frankie123 on April 09, 2017, 11:43:20 AM
Was at mayobridge on Friday night and agree that referee made 3 brave  calls.  gave RGU a stonewall penalty which they missed, gave Maypbridge a penalty which was a text book clean tackle.  Mayobridge missed the shot and then retook because referee was booking RGU player for remonstrating re clean tackle resulting in penalty.  Yes, KT made 3 very brave calls but disagree with the Bridge penalty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 14, 2017, 07:46:46 PM
with the championship only a matter of weeks away, surely we should be doing whatever is needed to make sure our better players dont walk away. for me devlin would be a starter but unfortunately now it seems that he doesnt feel wanted and with mooney a big injury doubt things dont look as good as they did a week or two ago.

taken from independent.ie...

Down's Ulster Championship hopes are significantly damaged by a raft of recent injuries, and Paul Devlin departing the panel, claiming he felt like, "an outcast".
It has emerged that Caolan Mooney is awaiting test results on an MRI scan, fearing that he may have ruptured his Patellar Tendon which takes a minimum of three months' recovery before resuming exercise.
Meanwhile, Kilcoo brothers Jerome (quad) and Ryan (hamstring) Johnston have suffered injuries and will have a lot to do in order to prove their fitness ahead of the clash with Armagh in Newry on June 4.

Devlin, a mainstay of the team under James McCartan and Jim McCorry, has left Eamonn Burns' squad, citing his frustration with a lack of game time. The 26-year-old Kilcoo man was only used as a late substitute in the league games against Galway, Derry and Meath.
After Kilcoo's defeat to Slaughtneil in the Ulster club final last November, Devlin took a fortnight off before returning to county training.

"I felt I needed to be back into county training to win a position for the National League. But I don't know, maybe they are seeing things I am not seeing, or what I am feeling," he said.
"I spoke to Eamonn a few times and he said that I just needed to take my chance when I got it. But in three months of football, I played only 35 minutes, all in."

Having joined the panel as a teenager in 2010, Devlin was not prepared to sit and bide his time any longer.
"Well, at the end of the day, it is football. I want to be playing and if you are not getting football you are obviously not happy," he explained. "Sometimes, the way football goes, you can't dwell on it too much. You just have to take a step back and see where you can get the best out of yourself.

"If you are not enjoying it, if you are not getting any game-time, you are safer going back to your club where you can get a bit of football and start enjoying the game."
He admits that the lack of game-time left him feeling insecure about his capabilities.

"It's probably more frustration with myself. I was starting to doubt my ability, 'Why can I not break into the team?'
"There were times when I was asking myself. To be honest, I would rather let my football do the talking than approaching people about giving me a chance.

"This is my policy. I wouldn't want to approach people and say, 'You should be starting me'. I would be of the mentality of letting my football do the talking and leave actual talking to other people."

Last Sunday, Kilcoo's league opener against Castlewellan doubled up as last year's league final.


Given how little football he had played up until that point, Kilcoo manager Paul McIver did not start Devlin, copperfastening his decision that he is doing the right thing in the short term.
And, he believes that he will once more play in the red and black.

Regular

"I love putting on the Down jersey, but for the last year and the year before, I was probably one of the regular starters.
"And to be just made like an outcast, I just felt that it was time to take a break from the county panel," he added."I have been there since 2010 and I just fear that I need to be playing football, need to be playing regular football now I am starting to come into my prime, I don't want to be sitting on the bench."

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: UlsterMan2 on April 14, 2017, 11:40:52 PM
Things like this happening between league and championship, is it any wonder this county is in a mess? Would put you off supporting, now is a time when players should be chomping at the bit to face Armagh, instead their retiring
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 15, 2017, 08:11:55 AM
Quote from: UlsterMan2 on April 14, 2017, 11:40:52 PM
Things like this happening between league and championship, is it any wonder this county is in a mess? Would put you off supporting, now is a time when players should be chomping at the bit to face Armagh, instead their retiring

Not ideal, but why would it put you off supporting? Strange thought process. It's a time when supporters should be giving their all behind the team instead of questioning everything that goes on. They stayed in Div 2 which seemed unlikely most of the way through. Next game is the championship, get behind the team don't slate them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2017, 08:44:03 AM
Can you really blame him after only getting 35 minutes in 10 games?
He was back training in December and got little or no game time
The county players have not been given any time off by the management since the Cork game but they will be givin a week off next week as a few of the current management are away on holidays.
Really does not make sense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 15, 2017, 08:51:55 AM
Id have no problem with anyone dropping off the panel if they were not happy. It happens all the time, I dont understand why it would stop you supporting the team though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 15, 2017, 01:20:24 PM
Devlin is a county standard free taker but really only the equivalent of a decent club forward from open play. He works hard but is not a ball winner and his limitations were fairly clear against Slaughtneil in the USC final. While it is always useful to have a left sided free taker in the squad, a place on the bench was probably the most he could have hoped for this summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on April 15, 2017, 11:19:17 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 15, 2017, 01:20:24 PM
Devlin is a county standard free taker but really only the equivalent of a decent club forward from open play. He works hard but is not a ball winner and his limitations were fairly clear against Slaughtneil in the USC final. While it is always useful to have a left sided free taker in the squad, a place on the bench was probably the most he could have hoped for this summer.

+1

a very fair assessment in my opinion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 15, 2017, 11:52:45 PM
Well it does not say much for the rest of Devlin is only good enough for a subs bench
He has scored well in big games over this last 4-5  years bar the Ulster final
What has the rest done with the exceptions of the 2 jonhnstones?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on April 17, 2017, 11:15:49 PM
CPN's bubble burst already??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: UlsterMan2 on April 18, 2017, 02:20:22 AM
Don't think cpn's bubble has burst, rgu aren't a bad side watched them against the bridge and they could have won, had they not missed a penalty. Big result for Kingdom tonight against the stone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on April 18, 2017, 10:57:39 PM
Have the teachers of CPN a few disciplinary problems with the pupils already. A few lads AWOL on Monday night???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 21, 2017, 10:36:22 PM
All games Off tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 21, 2017, 10:46:31 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 21, 2017, 10:36:22 PM
All games Off tonight?

Glenn racked up a cricket score against the kingdom after a tight opening 20 minutes.. Great result for RGU I see too..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 21, 2017, 10:54:25 PM
Clonduff racked up a big score against a disappointing ballyholland side. Result of the night was downpatrick beating burren. Bryansford beat the stone and castlewellan beat wpoint. Kilcoo/mbridge was called off.
L'island beat rostrevor in the big game in div 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 22, 2017, 01:17:30 PM
 Normal service has been resumed. It's going to be a long season for Drumaness.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 22, 2017, 03:24:44 PM
I hear Danny Hughes got himself into a bit of bother last night in Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 22, 2017, 03:26:58 PM
Normal service has resumed where Sam??
At your home club Saval?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 22, 2017, 08:41:31 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 22, 2017, 03:26:58 PM
Normal service has resumed where Sam??
At your home club Saval?
normal service being on here as someone posted,been quiet on here for three days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on April 22, 2017, 10:34:22 PM
Can't believe "Naoimh Domhnaill" has let his halo slip
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: activegael on April 24, 2017, 09:21:49 AM
Some interesting results in division one so far - looks to make for an interesting season. Will anyone challenge kilcoo?
Has Poacher's bubble burst with ballyholland?? Only so long players respond to the side show that he takes along with him!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 24, 2017, 12:49:32 PM
Clonduff v Glenn this evening in Clonduff for anyone looking out of the house for an hour or 2 on a Monday evening...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 24, 2017, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on April 24, 2017, 12:49:32 PM
Clonduff v Glenn this evening in Clonduff for anyone looking out of the house for an hour or 2 on a Monday evening...

I should have stayed in the house myself.... 🙄🙄
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 24, 2017, 09:37:00 PM
Didn't go well then for yous? Any score from Mayobridge and Kilcoo?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 24, 2017, 09:54:22 PM
Quote from: Targetman on April 24, 2017, 09:37:00 PM
Didn't go well then for yous? Any score from Mayobridge and Kilcoo?

Bridge beat them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 24, 2017, 10:01:17 PM
Quote from: Targetman on April 24, 2017, 09:37:00 PM
Didn't go well then for yous? Any score from Mayobridge and Kilcoo?

Ahh we never showed up at all.. Very disappointing... Impressed with the hard running from the clonduff men all the same... Very good side...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on April 27, 2017, 08:23:15 AM
Division 2 seems to be very competitive! I think Saval will be the front runner and who come after that it is anyones guess!There 6/7 teams all around the same level!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 27, 2017, 01:36:50 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on April 27, 2017, 08:23:15 AM
Division 2 seems to be very competitive! I think Saval will be the front runner and who come after that it is anyones guess!There 6/7 teams all around the same level!
plus Rostrevor and Loughinisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 27, 2017, 11:10:55 PM
RIP Tommy Bradley. Tommy passed away today. Member of the minor team that won the All Ireland in 1977. Him and Ambrose will have a bit of fun tonight :'(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 28, 2017, 07:31:34 AM
RIP Tommy,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fuzzman on April 28, 2017, 10:29:09 AM
Lads, I'm just curious how rife is the blanket defence and playing with 13 men behind the ball in your club football?

Are games enjoyable to watch or is it like county football with too many men back in defence?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on April 28, 2017, 11:06:37 AM
There are a number of clubs who do it and opposing teams dread the thought of having to go and play them.  Not because they wont win but because they know it will be a s**t game.
Is it rife, I wouldnt say so.  Probably 30% all men back, another 30% who just play man on man, and the rest who have a sensible balance between the two.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on April 28, 2017, 11:46:01 AM
Championship draw last night. Not sure if there was a stream or not but it's done anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fuzzman on April 28, 2017, 12:04:53 PM
I asked the Derry lads as well as they said yeah it's nearly everywhere in their games now. Nearly everybody behind the ball and most games are brutal to watch.

I don't live in Tyrone any more but from the sounds of things it's still the norm there though some clubs try to play it a bit more open. It will be interesting to see do Donegal change their tactics a bit this year with their new crop of young players coming through. A lot of Tyrone fans are totally fed up watching it though it has probably helped us to do better than we could have done in recent years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bigben36 on April 28, 2017, 12:24:42 PM
DOWN GAA JUNIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2017 IN SUPPORT OF TRÓCAIRE

Round One:
Kilclief v St Pauls
St Michaels v Aghaderg

Quarter Final
St Michaels/Aghaderg v Dromara
Bright v Ardglass
Mitchels v Dundrum
Ballykinlar v Kilclief/St Pauls



DOWN GAA INTERMEDIATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2017 IN SUPPORT OF TRÓCAIRE

Round One:
Shamrocks v Teconnaught
St Johns v Liatroim
Tullylish v Carryduff
Saul v Darragh Cross
Drumaness v Rostrevor
Drumgath v Glasdrumman
Annaclone v Clann na Banna
St John Bosco v Atticall



MORGAN FUELS DOWN GAA SENIOR FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP 2017

Round One:
Kilcoo v Clonduff
An Riocht v Downpatrick
Cumann Pheadair Naofa v Bryansford
Castlewellan v Bredagh
Longstone v Mayobridge
Loughinisland v Ballyholland
Ballymartin v Saval
Glenn v Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on April 28, 2017, 01:05:32 PM
Is there a back door again this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 28, 2017, 02:31:16 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on April 28, 2017, 01:05:32 PM
Is there a back door again this year?
I hope so 🙄🙄
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 29, 2017, 08:36:36 AM
Darragh Cross to struggle also.We've won our first four matches versus mediocre opposition.Not good for the tasks ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 29, 2017, 03:34:15 PM
Castlewellan are flying, they are so comfortable at the minute. They would be best equipped to challenge Kilcoo this year. The Harps suffered another defeat last night, is the coaching guru under pressure??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on April 29, 2017, 05:02:17 PM
Quote from: downjim on April 29, 2017, 03:34:15 PM
Castlewellan are flying, they are so comfortable at the minute. They would be best equipped to challenge Kilcoo this year. The Harps suffered another defeat last night, is the coaching guru under pressure??

Was at the Harps match last night..close enough game esp the 2nd half but the bridge always had that wee bit in the reserve for every time the harps came back at them...one thing though and im not about giving fellas a hard time but Poacher who i believe is a very very decent coach does himself no favours with his carry on during games....when bridge men were about to take frees or shoot he was doing everything unsporting that he could to put fellas off....roaring / shouting things at boys - just all uncalled for....that sort of thing trying to put fellas off is one thing from outside the wire but inside the wire shows a lack of class, sportmanship and is imo uncalled for. Its a pity because im sure the he has more knowledge than most on the coaching side but all the other antics are classless.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 29, 2017, 07:22:19 PM
Quote from: thebar on April 29, 2017, 05:02:17 PM
Quote from: downjim on April 29, 2017, 03:34:15 PM
Castlewellan are flying, they are so comfortable at the minute. They would be best equipped to challenge Kilcoo this year. The Harps suffered another defeat last night, is the coaching guru under pressure??

Was at the Harps match last night..close enough game esp the 2nd half but the bridge always had that wee bit in the reserve for every time the harps came back at them...one thing though and im not about giving fellas a hard time but Poacher who i believe is a very very decent coach does himself no favours with his carry on during games....when bridge men were about to take frees or shoot he was doing everything unsporting that he could to put fellas off....roaring / shouting things at boys - just all uncalled for....that sort of thing trying to put fellas off is one thing from outside the wire but inside the wire shows a lack of class, sportmanship and is imo uncalled for. Its a pity because im sure the he has more knowledge than most on the coaching side but all the other antics are classless.

#PoacherOut
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on April 29, 2017, 08:16:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 29, 2017, 07:22:19 PM
Quote from: thebar on April 29, 2017, 05:02:17 PM
Quote from: downjim on April 29, 2017, 03:34:15 PM
Castlewellan are flying, they are so comfortable at the minute. They would be best equipped to challenge Kilcoo this year. The Harps suffered another defeat last night, is the coaching guru under pressure??

Was at the Harps match last night..close enough game esp the 2nd half but the bridge always had that wee bit in the reserve for every time the harps came back at them...one thing though and im not about giving fellas a hard time but Poacher who i believe is a very very decent coach does himself no favours with his carry on during games....when bridge men were about to take frees or shoot he was doing everything unsporting that he could to put fellas off....roaring / shouting things at boys - just all uncalled for....that sort of thing trying to put fellas off is one thing from outside the wire but inside the wire shows a lack of class, sportmanship and is imo uncalled for. Its a pity because im sure the he has more knowledge than most on the coaching side but all the other antics are classless.

#PoacherOut
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 01, 2017, 06:43:37 AM
Down got an absoloute trouncing in a challenge v Meath last night. Conceded 5 goals, 4 in the first half, 3 of them due to us losing posession in our own half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 02, 2017, 09:19:08 AM
Meath 5-14 0-12 Down
A worrying result see as we had a strong team out on Sunday.Meath are hardly world beaters
Mooney R Johnstone were back playing which is good to see.
Looking at the starting team only J Johnstone looked to be missing who would start v Armagh in the championship.
It must be said thou that the panel are doing some serious hard training at the minute which probably had a bearing on Sundays result
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 02, 2017, 09:29:22 AM
Mooney and ryan johnstone didnt start, either did Aidan Carr, but on sunday evenings performance, it is difficult to see them beating Armagh. I know you shouldnt read too much into challenge games but it was a shocking effort.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 02, 2017, 09:49:47 AM
Ardtole what was the starting team?
Did anyone stand out for Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 02, 2017, 10:09:52 AM
From the team named on hoganstand, mark Poland started in place of Ryan Johnson, im not sure who came in for Mooney.
It was a wet miserable evening and it wouldnt be overly harsh to say no Down player stood out at all. Possibly O Hanlon was the best off a bad bunch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blarney on May 02, 2017, 12:06:10 PM
I went to watch the down U-17's play Fermanagh on Saturday and was very impressed with their performance. Played well as a team, tackling and attacking in numbers and at speed. The final score was Fermanagh 0-5 Down 6-12, it has been a long time since Down won a championship match by 25 points.
They play Monaghan on Saturday in Newry, a team they have already beaten earlier in the year, and could have had a good chance of reaching an Ulster semi-final, with a bit of luck.
However it is hard to believe that the county board/CCC have decided that these young players are expected to play a minor league club game tonight and those players that are still under 16 are expected to play another U-16 league club match on Thursday night,38 hours before the Monaghan game.
Most of these young players will have been asked to play three games in a week and some will have been expected to play four, so much for player welfare.
The team that lined out, taken from another forum, was as follows:
J Hazzard, D Fegan, T Gordon, G Fitzsimons, J Lynch, R McEvoy, C Cunningham, R O'Higgins, R McCormick, R Campbell, T Prenter, C McNulty, S Johnston, C O'Rawe, M Carville
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 02, 2017, 12:47:03 PM
stolen from a meath poster on another thread..


Challenge match today in Kilmainham today

Meath 5:13
Down 0:12

Pity we couldn't do it in the league but Mickey Newman finished top scorer which is a good sign of his readiness to return.Ronan Jones got a run at midfield as well so he could develop into an option alongside Bryan Menton.

Meath scorers: Mickey Newman 1-4, Ronan Jones 1-1, Sean Tobin 0-4, Cian O'Brien, Cillian O'Sullivan and Donal Lenihan 1-0 each, Thomas O'Reilly 0-2, Mickey Burke and Shane McEntee 0-1 each.

Down scorers: Darragh O'Hanlon 0-7, Conor Maginn 0-3, Barry O'Hagan and Ryan Johnston 0-1 each.

Meath: Paddy O'Rourke, Donal Keogan, Mickey Burke, Donnacha Tobin, Shane McEntee, Cian O'Brien, Padraic Harnan, Bryan menton, Ronan Jones, James McEntee, Cillian O'Sullivan, Ruairi O'Coileain, Bryan McMahon, Michael Newman, Donal Lenihan.

Subs: Thomas O'Reilly, Sean Tobin, Seanie Curran, Breen Conlon, Kevin Ross, David McQuillan, Joe Sheridan, Bobby O'Brien.

Down: Michael Cunningham, Ryan McAleenan, Brendan McArdle, Darren O'Hagan, Darragh O'Hanlon, Niall Donnelly, Caolan Mooney, Jonathan Flynn, Peter Turley, Kevin McKiernan, Conor Maginn, Alan Davidson, Connaire Harrison, Barry O'Hagan, Ryan Johnston.

Subs: Sean Dornan, Conaill McGovern, Cathal Magee, Gerard Collins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 02, 2017, 12:52:14 PM
The word on the street is the county players have been asked by the management to sit out this Friday nights or the following Friday nights club games in preparation for Armagh.
We really don't need anymore injuries.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 02, 2017, 02:27:40 PM
That was the team named in the program Sheedy but ryan johnson or caolan mooney didnt start. Mark Poland started.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 02, 2017, 06:08:17 PM
Quote from: Blarney on May 02, 2017, 12:06:10 PM
I went to watch the down U-17's play Fermanagh on Saturday and was very impressed with their performance. Played well as a team, tackling and attacking in numbers and at speed. The final score was Fermanagh 0-5 Down 6-12, it has been a long time since Down won a championship match by 25 points.
They play Monaghan on Saturday in Newry, a team they have already beaten earlier in the year, and could have had a good chance of reaching an Ulster semi-final, with a bit of luck.
However it is hard to believe that the county board/CCC have decided that these young players are expected to play a minor league club game tonight and those players that are still under 16 are expected to play another U-16 league club match on Thursday night,38 hours before the Monaghan game.
Most of these young players will have been asked to play three games in a week and some will have been expected to play four, so much for player welfare.
The team that lined out, taken from another forum, was as follows:
J Hazzard, D Fegan, T Gordon, G Fitzsimons, J Lynch, R McEvoy, C Cunningham, R O'Higgins, R McCormick, R Campbell, T Prenter, C McNulty, S Johnston, C O'Rawe, M Carville
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Blame the county board again,everything is their fault >:(.What do think they should have done?Call off games and have no game time for the rest of the players from the clubs not on this u17 panel. Be reasonable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on May 03, 2017, 01:52:34 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 02, 2017, 06:08:17 PM
Quote from: Blarney on May 02, 2017, 12:06:10 PM
I went to watch the down U-17's play Fermanagh on Saturday and was very impressed with their performance. Played well as a team, tackling and attacking in numbers and at speed. The final score was Fermanagh 0-5 Down 6-12, it has been a long time since Down won a championship match by 25 points.
They play Monaghan on Saturday in Newry, a team they have already beaten earlier in the year, and could have had a good chance of reaching an Ulster semi-final, with a bit of luck.
However it is hard to believe that the county board/CCC have decided that these young players are expected to play a minor league club game tonight and those players that are still under 16 are expected to play another U-16 league club match on Thursday night,38 hours before the Monaghan game.
Most of these young players will have been asked to play three games in a week and some will have been expected to play four, so much for player welfare.
The team that lined out, taken from another forum, was as follows:
J Hazzard, D Fegan, T Gordon, G Fitzsimons, J Lynch, R McEvoy, C Cunningham, R O'Higgins, R McCormick, R Campbell, T Prenter, C McNulty, S Johnston, C O'Rawe, M Carville
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Blame the county board again,everything is their fault >:(.What do think they should have done?Call off games and have no game time for the rest of the players from the clubs not on this u17 panel. Be reasonable

More importantly T Prenter has a minor hurling game tonight.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 04, 2017, 08:36:32 PM
That couldn't have been Gerard Collins among the subs, he has recently suffered a serious injury.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on May 05, 2017, 10:31:21 AM
Are county panelists allowed to play tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on May 05, 2017, 10:43:12 AM
Why would they not be? Ulster Championship isn't for another 4 weeks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 05, 2017, 03:57:57 PM
Quote from: Mourne man on May 05, 2017, 10:31:21 AM
Are county panelists allowed to play tonight?
as far as i know they can play tonight and again next weekend but then the 3 rounds on the 19th, 26th may and 2nd june before the armagh match are now starred games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on May 07, 2017, 07:29:50 AM
Some significant results of Friday night. Kilcoo beating burren in a feisty game. Point beating bridge was a standout result but Carryduffs hammering of loughinisland in div 2 was probably the most unexpected.
Also good to see u17's give another great performance on Saturday!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on May 07, 2017, 09:59:09 AM
Good luck to Keith Quinn of Mayobridge and Gerard McCartan of Rostrevor/Burren. They play for New York against Silgo today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 07, 2017, 12:20:36 PM
Quote from: umpire on May 07, 2017, 09:59:09 AM
Good luck to Keith Quinn of Mayobridge and Gerard McCartan of Rostrevor/Burren. They play for New York against Silgo today
Gerard McCartan captains New York tonight, good luck to the 2 Down men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on May 07, 2017, 01:47:35 PM
Is Gavin Joyce from Ballymartin/Glasdrumman on the bench ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne man on May 10, 2017, 01:15:04 PM
A few tastey matches this week! My pick to watch would be the top of the table clash in division two between saval and Rostrevor! It is savals first real test so should be interesting to see how they get on, have they many county panelists?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 11, 2017, 08:58:48 AM
Quote from: Mourne man on May 10, 2017, 01:15:04 PM
A few tastey matches this week! My pick to watch would be the top of the table clash in division two between saval and Rostrevor! It is savals first real test so should be interesting to see how they get on, have they many county panelists?
As I said a few times,the first lot of games were against inferior teams,now comes the first real match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 12, 2017, 09:35:06 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 11, 2017, 08:58:48 AM
Quote from: Mourne man on May 10, 2017, 01:15:04 PM
A few tastey matches this week! My pick to watch would be the top of the table clash in division two between saval and Rostrevor! It is savals first real test so should be interesting to see how they get on, have they many county panelists?
As I said a few times,the first lot of games were against inferior teams,now comes the first real match.
won away by a point.Phewwww
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 13, 2017, 12:26:03 AM
Comprehensive win for the Harps tonight V CPN. Point were poor. We had only 14 men for the most of the. 2nd half and they still couldn't make any impact. Murtagh again pulling the strings
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: UlsterMan2 on May 13, 2017, 12:59:53 AM
Good to see Murtagh pulling the strings for harps, but as much as I admire him, it's bad for down football when a man who is closer to 40 than 30 is still making the headlines
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on May 13, 2017, 01:29:28 AM
Take your point,but murtagh at club level is one of the best I've seen.no surprise he's still deciding matches in the top division,same as muldoon for Ballinderry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 13, 2017, 07:45:13 AM
Murtagh is/was a great player.A complete powerhouse of a man as well.He came through a great generation which probably failed to achieve much at senior level in the county.What a brilliant player all the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on May 13, 2017, 05:57:53 PM
Comprehensive win is right 5 Sams. Thought we looked like the team that lost a man after Havern's sending off. Very difficult place to go and win, back to the drawing board for us. Looks like a year when everyone can beat anyone on their night. Great win for An riocht. Who are the early fancies for relegation? Hard to call between the town and clonduff at the top too...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 13, 2017, 06:38:22 PM
We were a bit worried about that game last night upandwin because the point were playing well. Our lads did well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on May 14, 2017, 05:00:39 PM
If the stand in Pairc Esler holds over 4000 why are clubs only getting 6 tickets each for the Armagh game? Down have very few season ticket holders. Where are the other 3000 tickets going?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 15, 2017, 08:47:59 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on May 14, 2017, 05:00:39 PM
If the stand in Pairc Esler holds over 4000 why are clubs only getting 6 tickets each for the Armagh game? Down have very few season ticket holders. Where are the other 3000 tickets going?

Apparently season ticket holders have first dibs on the stand. Proper order.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 15, 2017, 09:34:27 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 15, 2017, 08:47:59 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on May 14, 2017, 05:00:39 PM
If the stand in Pairc Esler holds over 4000 why are clubs only getting 6 tickets each for the Armagh game? Down have very few season ticket holders. Where are the other 3000 tickets going?

Apparently season ticket holders have first dibs on the stand. Proper order.
plus county board,club reps,county sponsors,club Down,supporters club,coaches,family members of county players and the same for Armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 15, 2017, 01:46:43 PM
Quote from: upandwin on May 13, 2017, 05:57:53 PM
Comprehensive win is right 5 Sams. Thought we looked like the team that lost a man after Havern's sending off. Very difficult place to go and win, back to the drawing board for us. Looks like a year when everyone can beat anyone on their night. Great win for An riocht. Who are the early fancies for relegation? Hard to call between the town and clonduff at the top too...
I have watched a few of the so called weaker teams this year and in my opinion CPN. They just about survived last year and already it is shaping up like they are going to be in the thick of a relegation battle again. Much needed win for the Harps.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 18, 2017, 04:13:53 PM
Not much on tonight around the County
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on May 18, 2017, 07:08:10 PM

Judging by the performance I saw Glen put in against a much depleted Castlewellan team I woulf be very surprised if they stayed up. They were extremely poor


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Quote from: upandwin on May 13, 2017, 05:57:53 PM
Comprehensive win is right 5 Sams. Thought we looked like the team that lost a man after Havern's sending off. Very difficult place to go and win, back to the drawing board for us. Looks like a year when everyone can beat anyone on their night. Great win for An riocht. Who are the early fancies for relegation? Hard to call between the town and clonduff at the top too...
I have watched a few of the so called weaker teams this year and in my opinion CPN. They just about survived last year and already it is shaping up like they are going to be in the thick of a relegation battle again. Much needed win for the Harps.
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 20, 2017, 08:52:02 AM
 Looking forward to tonight's Dog Racing at Dundalk.Haven't been to racing for about 10 years when I went to Shelbourne.Races are over in a flash.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 22, 2017, 09:43:50 PM
Is mr Poacher still involved in the Carlow set up ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 22, 2017, 09:57:33 PM
He must be, the Carlow manager praised his efforts on the sunday game last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on May 22, 2017, 10:24:54 PM
I feel that this Armagh team we face rather soon are overrated. We showed that we can perform when needed - against Cork so hopefully we can do it against our neighbours who failed to get promoted form div 3. I've one worry though and that is what Will we do saying it is likely james Morgan will be picking  up Jerome? Back  in 2015 Ulster club championship Morgan did a solid job on him. Have we other forwards who  can step up to the mark ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 22, 2017, 11:17:20 PM
We should have the forwards to trouble that third division defence, and when forker gets his customary red card we'll punish them!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on May 22, 2017, 11:39:16 PM
What forwards?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 23, 2017, 08:25:08 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 22, 2017, 11:39:16 PM
What forwards?

If your defence mimicks the parting of the Red Sea again, we won't need many!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 23, 2017, 01:32:57 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 22, 2017, 11:39:16 PM
What forwards?
Jerome and Ryan Johnston plus Barry O'Hagan should keep your defenders on their toes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 24, 2017, 12:18:04 PM
Quote from: Targetman on May 22, 2017, 11:17:20 PM
We should have the forwards to trouble that third division defence, and when forker gets his customary red card we'll punish them!!
Down aren't far off Div 3 standard at the moment. Nothing seen the last 2 years to be so confident.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 24, 2017, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 24, 2017, 12:18:04 PM
Quote from: Targetman on May 22, 2017, 11:17:20 PM
We should have the forwards to trouble that third division defence, and when forker gets his customary red card we'll punish them!!
Down aren't far off Div 3 standard at the moment. Nothing seen the last 2 years to be so confident.
Not overly confident just think we should be able to get a win here if our management team have learnt from the league campaign
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 24, 2017, 03:01:36 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 22, 2017, 09:43:50 PM
Is mr Poacher still involved in the Carlow set up ?

Go to 1hr 13m 16s for your answer.

http://www.rte.ie/player/6c/show/the-sunday-game-622/10728961/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 24, 2017, 07:18:07 PM
You would think they beat a good team with the plaudits he is getting,I  hope he gets brought back to earth tomorrow night ☺️
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 24, 2017, 11:12:07 PM
Whats on tomorrow night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 26, 2017, 11:03:38 PM
Apparently the ref didn't turn up to the div 2 top of the table match Carryduff v Saval, anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on May 26, 2017, 11:05:47 PM
Any scores from tonight's games ? CPN beat The Stone by a point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 26, 2017, 11:21:05 PM
The Carryduff and Saval game was not played as they forgot to appoint a referee for the game.What other county would this happen in?Both team were on the pitch ready to go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on May 26, 2017, 11:46:44 PM
Armagh smurfy. Same thing happened tonight in the Dromintee game. 2 teams. No ref
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on May 27, 2017, 12:12:23 AM
Harps drew with Burren. 8 each. Poor game. We were comfortable all night but missed goal opportunities in the first half and wayward shooting cost us in the 2nd half. Should have beaten them comfortably. Hard to believe how poor Burren are. Speaking to a few of their stalwarts in the club afterwards and they are not happy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 27, 2017, 12:56:25 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 26, 2017, 11:21:05 PM
The Carryduff and Saval game was not played as they forgot to appoint a referee for the game.What other county would this happen in?Both team were on the pitch ready to go.
[/quote. Unbelievable that this could happen, no wait a minute no it's not incompetence at its best, some result for Drumaness winning away to Rostrevor, it takes them level on points with Annaclone!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2017, 09:02:17 AM
Maybe clownjim can give us some information on that 5 sams???
Burren men not happy?
It transpires that they forgot to appoint a referee for the top of the table clash in division 2!!
Big shock in Rostrevor thought that would have been a trimming match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 27, 2017, 09:43:01 PM
Bad result for the Stone considering CPN Had to play a lot of reserves tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 28, 2017, 03:48:25 PM
Any injury updates for the game next week? Has Ryan Johnson any chance of making the game? N McParland maybe in with a shout of playing in mf?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 28, 2017, 10:04:02 PM
I hope Johnston's fit to play and would go with Mc Parland, has a bit of aggression that will definitely be required on Sunday, if not at midfield then centre half back, we are far too open down the middle,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on May 29, 2017, 03:22:24 PM
I wonder will the PR team be out in force this week or will they revert to type and we hear nothing....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 29, 2017, 09:49:35 PM
Niall McParland is a fine player, who has been excellent for Glenn and looked the part for St Mary's in 2016. However, he has been unlucky with injuries at county level since he had to be replaced early on against Mayo at Croke Park in the 2012 AI quarter final.  Having barely featured for Down over the last five years, he would need to be flying in training if he is to start on Sunday. He still has the ability to make an impact at half back or midfield, especially if as suspected we have a few people struggling for fitness.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 31, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
  Just saw that Down is laying on Park/Ride from Burren and one from St Pauls via Newry Train Station.Who is paying for this and who really will use either of these? Turn up early and have a brisk walk to the ground.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 31, 2017, 10:36:30 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 31, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
  Just saw that Down is laying on Park/Ride from Burren and one from St Pauls via Newry Train Station.Who is paying for this and who really will use either of these? Turn up early and have a brisk walk to the ground.
No parking near the ground supposedly. It's a good idea for those that can avail of it. Is it still a pound to park in the quays
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 31, 2017, 10:51:52 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 31, 2017, 10:36:30 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 31, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
  Just saw that Down is laying on Park/Ride from Burren and one from St Pauls via Newry Train Station.Who is paying for this and who really will use either of these? Turn up early and have a brisk walk to the ground.
No parking near the ground supposedly. It's a good idea for those that can avail of it. Is it still a pound to park in the quays

I think I saw the Buttercrane advertising free parking for anyone with a match ticket.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 01, 2017, 05:28:12 PM
Anthony Docherty from RGU starting at full back on Sunday, exclusive!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 01, 2017, 05:39:20 PM
You are about a day late targetman
Yesterday's news
Big call all the same
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 01, 2017, 06:13:49 PM
And not a word of it on here!! I agree its a big call Gerard Mc Govern has been steady enough throughout the league, I'd still have him in the team maybe at no 6 at the expense of his club mate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 01, 2017, 06:44:06 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on May 31, 2017, 10:51:52 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 31, 2017, 10:36:30 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 31, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
  Just saw that Down is laying on Park/Ride from Burren and one from St Pauls via Newry Train Station.Who is paying for this and who really will use either of these? Turn up early and have a brisk walk to the ground.
No parking near the ground supposedly. It's a good idea for those that can avail of it. Is it still a pound to park in the quays

I think I saw the Buttercrane advertising free parking for anyone with a match ticket.
Great I will try there so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 01, 2017, 07:10:31 PM
They posted this earlier on Facebook:

Whether you are supporting Official Down GAA or Armagh GAA this weekend you will love to hear we are offering FREE PARKING on Sunday!

Just come along and show your ticket, match programme or jersey to a parking official on mall and park FREE with us! Come along and get a bite to eat, cool drink and maybe a bit of retail therapy to calm the nerves before throw in!

#UlsterChampionshio #GAA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 01, 2017, 07:27:50 PM
something to get the juices flowing for sunday...great memories.

https://youtu.be/7dsY8QUxFLk
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: amallon on June 02, 2017, 09:46:37 PM
Can you still pay at the gate on Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 02, 2017, 09:54:44 PM
Team for Sunday
Cunningham
Doherty
McGovern
O Hagen
O Hanlon
McGovern
Mooney
McKernan
Donnelly
Murphy
Maginn
Millar
Harrison
J Johnstone
O Hagen

Hard to work that team out.
Murphy and Millar to drop back into defence with Harrison coming out to the 40 with the other 2 up top.
It is a risky selection hopefully it pays off
Poland
Johnstone
Turley(must be injured)
Carr
Dornan
To come off the bench
I would have liked the first 2 to start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on June 02, 2017, 10:14:18 PM
Shocked at the Down team announced, nowhere near the our strongest team!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 02, 2017, 10:37:35 PM
A few surprises in the starting 15, Harrison hasn't played any league matches so he must be doing something special in training, Donnelly's another who wouldn't have been expected to start but he's a physical presence around the middle that we will need, Doherty is a debutant that I've never seen play so it's a big chance for him, hope he's up to it, not starting Ryan Johnston is strange because no doubt he'll be on at some stage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 02, 2017, 10:54:02 PM
Result of the night..An Ríocht beating Kilcoo!!!. Harps comfortable 2 points again V RGU playing some lovely football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 02, 2017, 11:21:15 PM
It's an unusual side, but, in a local derby, where both squads are so well known to each other, making a series of changes before the throw-in would indicate a lack of confidence so we have to expect that the team named will be pretty close to the actual line-up.

Ryan Johnston would obviously start if fit so we have to hope that he will make an appearance at some stage. Turley's experience and physique would also probably have got him the nod, if available, but Donnelly may bring us marginally more pace down the centre.

Harrison is a natural ball winner, so he may drop back towards the middle, together with Millar and Murphy, with McKernan behind them, Maginn linking and O'Hagan and Jerome left up front.

It is hard to remember when we ever went four consecutive seasons without a provincial win at senior, u21 and minor level, so we should not be lacking in motivation.





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on June 03, 2017, 12:05:40 AM
That team smacks of running up the same white flag as for the first National League game v Fermanagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 03, 2017, 12:28:14 PM
The team listed in the previous post is the one released by the county board last night, but for some reason both the BBC and the Hogan Stand online reports today have McParland rather than Donnelly at midfield. It could just be a mistake but McParland is the more experienced of the two and was generally reckoned to be well in contention for a place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 03, 2017, 06:15:11 PM
Good luck to both Down teams tomorrow. 2 wins in the ulster championship are long overdue, hopefully we can deliver against the aul enemy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 03, 2017, 07:00:21 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 03, 2017, 06:15:11 PM
Good luck to both Down teams tomorrow. 2 wins in the ulster championship are long overdue, hopefully we can deliver against the aul enemy.
Yep looking forward to it. Hopefully the red and black will be flying high at 5pm tomorrow. Bringing the young lad to his 1st Ulster Championship game  so hope to God we win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 04, 2017, 11:04:29 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 03, 2017, 07:00:21 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 03, 2017, 06:15:11 PM
Good luck to both Down teams tomorrow. 2 wins in the ulster championship are long overdue, hopefully we can deliver against the aul enemy.
Yep looking forward to it. Hopefully the red and black will be flying high at 5pm tomorrow. Bringing the young lad to his 1st Ulster Championship game  so hope to God we win.
Can you be sure of getting a terrace ticket if you just turn up today ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 04, 2017, 03:54:36 PM
Well done to both teams today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Realmccoy on June 04, 2017, 05:58:22 PM
Super stuff from both the minors and seniors today. Rid our luck at times but what a confident boost for the county. Good luck to Nial Donnelly with his recovery it looked nasty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 04, 2017, 07:21:55 PM
Brillant to get 2 wins today. Thought in both matches we were clearly the better team but made hard work of killing them of I thought o'hanlon, darren o'hagan, mooney, millar and mckernan were real stand out performers. The defence really tightened up after the break and really we should have won by a couple of points more at end.
For the minors liam kerr was superb and hit some great points. 
On another note it was great to see such a big crowd in newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 04, 2017, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 04, 2017, 07:21:55 PM
Brillant to get 2 wins today. Thought in both matches we were clearly the better team but made hard work of killing them of I thought o'hanlon, darren o'hagan, mooney, millar and mckernan were real stand out performers. The defence really tightened up after the break and really we should have won by a couple of points more at end.
For the minors liam kerr was superb and hit some great points. 
On another note it was great to see such a big crowd in newry.
Morgan v Johnston - who came out tops ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 04, 2017, 08:58:01 PM
I reckon Morgan won that duel, he pulled and dragged Johnston for the entire game and got away with it, I wouldn't mind Morgan on our team although our cornerbacks especially Darren O' Hagan played well, Mc Geeney's ears must be ringing tonight ,Armagh ones none too pleased 😜
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on June 04, 2017, 09:47:29 PM
Congrats to all in both teams.

I suppose particular mention must go to the senior management who have had to deal with a lot over the past 18 odd months or so. Enjoy tonight lads!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 05, 2017, 12:11:51 AM
It is absolutely correct to acknowledge the role of our management, who many of us doubted but produced the goods on the big day. Burns came up with a tactical plan which worked effectively, picked the right team and made substitutions which got us over the line.

We are a long way from the finished article, and Armagh were limited, but any win in the USC brings us forward and success in a local derby is as sweet as it comes.

It was a very strange game,  as we looked like running away with it early on before Armagh got a goal with their first attack, added another before the break and could easily have had two more. The touch from Doherty on to the post was crucial in retrospect.

However, we believed in our system and, while offering up so many goal chances was a big concern, we were generally the better side in the first half and completely outplayed them in the second.

Cunningham had no real prospect with their goals but his kick outs were decent. Doherty had a reasonable debut, both McGoverns was solid while Darren O'Hagan was exceptional, as was O'Hanlon, and Mooney was brilliant in flashes.

McKernan is a top class sweeper and hopefully the injuries which both he and Donnelly, who was also impressive,  suffered, are not serious. Turley was also hugely effective and both Maginn and Millar were everywhere. The two Johnstons did well, but are capable of better, while Harrison led the line excellently and was unlucky not to get a goal as well as his two points from play.

It is such a good feeling to know that the draw for the first round qualifiers is on Tuesday morning and, for the first time in four years, we can ignore it.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 05, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
I see Shay Miller got motm in the Irish News, well deserved I thought he was excellent. I wasnt optimistic ahead of the game but it was a good performance and a fantastic result.y
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 05, 2017, 11:16:22 AM
I mentioned it elsewhere, but Armagh really put me in mind of the Down team of 2003-2012 era.  Looked really dangerous and clearly had some good forwards but they always seemed to want a goal first and while it worked in the first half, when the space closed down in the second, they were very ordinary.  It was great to see Down doing this to another team instead of the other way about.  For years we were the ones wanting the space to open up so our dynamic forwards could zig zag their way through to goal only for the opposition to shut up shop and say, if you want to score, do it from out there.
This time it was us dictating the terms and it was great to see.  Maybe not from a football purity point of view but we either get with the times or we dont.
We have the weapons do do damage on limited possession in the Johnstons, Mooney and a few others. Barry O'Hagan could be another but he needs more end product.  4 times he got the ball when he came on and took his man on every time - 1 great point and 3 times he was just dispossessed.
Fair play to the management for turning around what looked like a terminal position only 3 months ago.  Stayed in Div 2 and a championship win over Armagh.   I think the fans targets have been met already, but I get the feeling this group have higher ambitions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on June 05, 2017, 11:19:42 AM
Hats off to the players and management yesterday...especially to Eamon Burns and his management team. I for one have giving them plenty of stick but have to give them credit for yesterdays result. Massive lift for the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 05, 2017, 02:35:34 PM
 A double over our neighbours.Delighted.I see in yesterday's programme there were 48 players listed in the Armagh pen-pics whereas we had 29.That's some panel for Armagh to be carrying when only 26 can be named on the match team list's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on June 06, 2017, 12:26:18 AM
Has smurfy got nothing to say after yesterday's games? If you've nothing negative to say, say nothing at all eh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 06, 2017, 01:09:16 AM
Smurfy congratulated the players and management over in the match thread
Venture off this page hoes
More to the board than this page man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cb66 on June 06, 2017, 02:14:06 PM
First time in a long time I thought we competed well in midfield. Donnelly and Turley deserve praise for that and hope Donnelly's injury not too bad. Only criticism of him was that a few times he carried the ball well but then took an extra solo when he should have released it and then got caught in possession. This will come and hope he's fit for Monaghan/Cavan. Really impressed with our bench too who I thought all did well. Competition for places now for the 24th with McParland, Mckibbin, McAleenan, Carr, Poland, Murphy, Barry O'Hagen and Donal O'Hare pushing for spots. Can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on June 07, 2017, 10:30:54 AM
Sorry smurf my mistake. Just thought you'd like to give some praise on the same page as you slate everything and everyone involved with your own county team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Well on June 07, 2017, 07:17:53 PM
Any update on Niall Donnelly's injury?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 07, 2017, 08:19:01 PM
One of the many pleasures from Sunday was the colour and noise in Parc Esler. Full credit to all those who prepared and marshalled the venue as well as the volunteers who made it all happen. It was a reminder of better days and the players and management of both teams seemed to respond. The programme was good too.
Niall Donnelly was a revelation - Doherty did well for being thrown in whereas the rest performed as we have seen in patches but never consistently for the 70 minutes .
Assuming Monaghan beat Cavan it will be a big ask to turn around a 19 point defeat; however, confidence is all in championship football and training will be a delight for the lads this week. Remember we were in the depths after losing to Longford but they drew so much confidence from beating us that they went on to beat Monaghan in Clones.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on June 07, 2017, 09:36:13 PM
Heard Alan Davidson has left Down, any confirmation on this ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 07, 2017, 10:06:17 PM
One negative about Sunday is that old problem of the p.a. system, over on the terraces all we could make out was an odd word here and there time to get it sorted, it's not like it hasn't been mentioned before, anyway a result from tonight Kilcoo 3-13 Bryansford 1-16 , a good game with the only difference being Kilcoo's ability to get goals at crucial times, best player on the field was David McKibben, the only other county player on show was Jerome Johnston who came on in the last 10mins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 08, 2017, 03:14:44 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 07, 2017, 08:19:01 PM
One of the many pleasures from Sunday was the colour and noise in Parc Esler. Full credit to all those who prepared and marshalled the venue as well as the volunteers who made it all happen. It was a reminder of better days and the players and management of both teams seemed to respond. The programme was good too.
Niall Donnelly was a revelation - Doherty did well for being thrown in whereas the rest performed as we have seen in patches but never consistently for the 70 minutes .
Assuming Monaghan beat Cavan it will be a big ask to turn around a 19 point defeat; however, confidence is all in championship football and training will be a delight for the lads this week. Remember we were in the depths after losing to Longford but they drew so much confidence from beating us that they went on to beat Monaghan in Clones.
I honestly thought for £3.00 the programme was terrible value for money
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 08, 2017, 04:32:09 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 07, 2017, 08:19:01 PM
One of the many pleasures from Sunday was the colour and noise in Parc Esler. Full credit to all those who prepared and marshalled the venue as well as the volunteers who made it all happen. It was a reminder of better days and the players and management of both teams seemed to respond. The programme was good too.
Niall Donnelly was a revelation - Doherty did well for being thrown in whereas the rest performed as we have seen in patches but never consistently for the 70 minutes .
Assuming Monaghan beat Cavan it will be a big ask to turn around a 19 point defeat; however, confidence is all in championship football and training will be a delight for the lads this week. Remember we were in the depths after losing to Longford but they drew so much confidence from beating us that they went on to beat Monaghan in Clones.

the current squad was different from the one that incurred a 19 point defeat so that in itself is irrelevant

I actually think this Down team will be stronger going in to this game. the important thing is not to cough up cheap frees from McManus and if we play to our capabilities we will give them a good game. need Donnelly and mckernan nack in the middle though...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 10, 2017, 08:48:39 AM
Great game in Warrenpoint last night. Ryan Boyle kept Barry O hagan very quiet so much so that
O Hagan got frustrated and got himself sent off with 5 mins to go. Game had everything good football, hard hitting and passion from both sets of players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 10, 2017, 09:29:34 AM
Aye Elk i was at it. Point were 1.8 to 0.1 up after 20 mins or so. Then were 5 down with about 7 mins to go. Some finish. Great goal from niall mcgovern near the death to bring us to within a point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 10, 2017, 03:14:11 PM
No mention of the brawl lads at the end
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on June 10, 2017, 04:08:53 PM
The row at the end you could see coming a mile off. Poor game mamagement from Leo Smyth and Clonduff not able to take their beating.
They got away with some very cynical and cheap shots for a lot of the game and O'Hagan got himself stupidly sent off.
Ross Carr referring to anyone as scum after his actions last night is the height of irony....lets see if he mentions it in his weekly column!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Red eye on June 11, 2017, 08:50:41 PM
Thought the Point v Clonduff was great game. Point started very well and ran riot first 20 mins then Clonduff took over.
Great score taking from both sides and the two second half goals from Clonduff looked like it was going to be good enough.
For the Point to be that far ahead in a game and then fall behind so badly in the second half - well takes a wee bit of belief to get back up there but extra man maybe helped.
Unseemly brawl a the end was uncalled for - Clonduff need to look at themselves. Could see them also trying to disrupt the momentum of the Point in the final 10 mins too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 15, 2017, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: guevara on June 10, 2017, 04:08:53 PM
The row at the end you could see coming a mile off. Poor game mamagement from Leo Smyth and Clonduff not able to take their beating.
They got away with some very cynical and cheap shots for a lot of the game and O'Hagan got himself stupidly sent off.
Ross Carr referring to anyone as scum after his actions last night is the height of irony....lets see if he mentions it in his weekly column!
On the topic of discipline apparently 8 red cards dished out on Tuesday night in minor match between Burren and Liatroim, 2 to Burren and 6 to Liatroim, the referee earned his £30 there!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on June 15, 2017, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: Targetman on June 15, 2017, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: guevara on June 10, 2017, 04:08:53 PM
The row at the end you could see coming a mile off. Poor game mamagement from Leo Smyth and Clonduff not able to take their beating.
They got away with some very cynical and cheap shots for a lot of the game and O'Hagan got himself stupidly sent off.
Ross Carr referring to anyone as scum after his actions last night is the height of irony....lets see if he mentions it in his weekly column!
On the topic of discipline apparently 8 red cards dished out on Tuesday night in minor match between Burren and Liatroim, 2 to Burren and 6 to Liatroim, the referee earned his £30 there!!

From what I heard two good teams let down by a very poor referee who lost control of the game early on which led to much of the indiscipline. Surely our 2 Minor finalists from last year deserved a better Referee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 15, 2017, 10:04:32 PM
Quote from: The Raven on June 15, 2017, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: Targetman on June 15, 2017, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: guevara on June 10, 2017, 04:08:53 PM
The row at the end you could see coming a mile off. Poor game mamagement from Leo Smyth and Clonduff not able to take their beating.
They got away with some very cynical and cheap shots for a lot of the game and O'Hagan got himself stupidly sent off.
Ross Carr referring to anyone as scum after his actions last night is the height of irony....lets see if he mentions it in his weekly column!
On the topic of discipline apparently 8 red cards dished out on Tuesday night in minor match between Burren and Liatroim, 2 to Burren and 6 to Liatroim, the referee earned his £30 there!!

From what I heard two good teams let down by a very poor referee who lost control of the game early on which led to much of the indiscipline. Surely our 2 Minor finalists from last year deserved a better Referee.
Ah now we've all heard that auld one the referee lost control but I've never heard of 8 sendings off in any game, its beyond a joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 16, 2017, 01:59:12 PM
How are Downs injured from the Armagh game getting on? Will McKernan and the big tullylish man be fit for Monaghan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 16, 2017, 02:28:09 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 16, 2017, 01:59:12 PM
How are Downs injured from the Armagh game getting on? Will McKernan and the big tullylish man be fit for Monaghan?
And Barry O Hagan's shoulder which he looked to have hurt after the Clonduff/CPN game last week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 16, 2017, 10:21:36 PM
Any club results from tonight's games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: UlsterMan2 on June 16, 2017, 10:37:24 PM
Heard stone beat Glenn and cpn beat the kingdom, any others?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on June 16, 2017, 10:38:29 PM
14 man Castlewellan beat Ballyholland 2.10 to 2.09. Shocking performance from the ref and even worse from Ballyholland and their mentors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: noway on June 17, 2017, 12:26:05 AM
the same liatroim minor team fought with bryansford in the final of the east down minor 7s that had to be abandoned at half time . Shocking disclipne from players and management .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on June 17, 2017, 07:40:57 PM
Quote from: Targetman on June 15, 2017, 10:04:32 PM
Quote from: The Raven on June 15, 2017, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: Targetman on June 15, 2017, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: guevara on June 10, 2017, 04:08:53 PM
The row at the end you could see coming a mile off. Poor game mamagement from Leo Smyth and Clonduff not able to take their beating.
They got away with some very cynical and cheap shots for a lot of the game and O'Hagan got himself stupidly sent off.
Ross Carr referring to anyone as scum after his actions last night is the height of irony....lets see if he mentions it in his weekly column!
On the topic of discipline apparently 8 red cards dished out on Tuesday night in minor match between Burren and Liatroim, 2 to Burren and 6 to Liatroim, the referee earned his £30 there!!

From what I heard two good teams let down by a very poor referee who lost control of the game early on which led to much of the indiscipline. Surely our 2 Minor finalists from last year deserved a better Referee.
Ah now we've all heard that auld one the referee lost control but I've never heard of 8 sendings off in any game, its beyond a joke

So striking, and severe personal abuse to referee doesn't warrant  a red-card?  As burren men we just stood in shock and how they threw the game away by their disgusting actions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on June 17, 2017, 09:30:49 PM
Quote from: noway on June 17, 2017, 12:26:05 AM
the same liatroim minor team fought with bryansford in the final of the east down minor 7s that had to be abandoned at half time . Shocking disclipne from players and management .

i wouldnt let it worry ya fella
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 22, 2017, 11:04:20 PM
Does anyone give us a realistic chance on Saturday, have yet to hear anybody myself included think Down can win, 19 points between them and us last year, it will be a lot closer but we're not up to their standard yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 23, 2017, 09:21:46 AM
Quote from: Targetman on June 22, 2017, 11:04:20 PM
Does anyone give us a realistic chance on Saturday, have yet to hear anybody myself included think Down can win, 19 points between them and us last year, it will be a lot closer but we're not up to their standard yet
I don't believe we can win either. But you never know they might have a total mare. Down will love going in under the radar they have nothing to lose as long as they avoid a tanking. If we end up in the qualifiers I wouldn't be surprised if we got Armagh again in Newry providing they get by Fermanagh
Best of luck to both Down teams tomorrow evening. Hopefully the minors can get to an ulster final 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 23, 2017, 11:37:07 AM
Downgaa.net is now down and out of service, has the county changed its domain?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on June 23, 2017, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 23, 2017, 11:37:07 AM
Downgaa.net is now down and out of service, has the county changed its domain?

More than likely they haven't paid their domain name renewal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on June 23, 2017, 02:57:49 PM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on June 23, 2017, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 23, 2017, 11:37:07 AM
Downgaa.net is now down and out of service, has the county changed its domain?

More than likely they haven't paid their domain name renewal

Working fine
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 23, 2017, 06:24:07 PM
Quote from: Samforever on June 23, 2017, 02:57:49 PM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on June 23, 2017, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on June 23, 2017, 11:37:07 AM
Downgaa.net is now down and out of service, has the county changed its domain?

More than likely they haven't paid their domain name renewal

Working fine

Not working for me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 23, 2017, 10:07:28 PM
Feck all working here!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 23, 2017, 10:23:17 PM
Working fine for me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 24, 2017, 10:50:22 AM
good luck to both Down teams this evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on June 24, 2017, 08:41:57 PM
Well done Down. Sean Og, Eamon Burns detractors go and fill yourself with as much humble pie as you possibly can.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on June 24, 2017, 08:43:10 PM
21 point turnaround since this time last year! Credit where it's due.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 24, 2017, 09:36:58 PM
I'm chewing through humble pie with a giant smile on my face.

Fair play to everyone involved. It felt like Down finally grew up into modern football today. So often in the past decade we just didn't have the intensity, drive, belief, clinical nature. Today was different.

Huge credit to Eamon and his panel. So proud of you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on June 24, 2017, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: bannside on June 24, 2017, 08:41:57 PM
Well done Down. Sean Og, Eamon Burns detractors go and fill yourself with as much humble pie as you possibly can.

Get a grip fella fair play to Eamon, his back room team and most importantly the players....what your naming Sean Og for I dont know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on June 24, 2017, 10:21:12 PM
Quote from: thebar on June 24, 2017, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: bannside on June 24, 2017, 08:41:57 PM
Well done Down. Sean Og, Eamon Burns detractors go and fill yourself with as much humble pie as you possibly can.

Get a grip fella fair play to Eamon, his back room team and most importantly the players....what your naming Sean Og for I dont know.

Fair f**k 's  to the Down lads, great game and great win. I don't watch a whole pile of football but tonight's was an entertaining game and thought the referee in the second half was pretty hard on the Down team, definitely a free in when Beggan handled the ball on the ground outside the 6 yard box and a few other dodgy ones
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 24, 2017, 10:21:20 PM
Eamon Burns for Taoiseach
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 24, 2017, 10:27:16 PM
Unreal performance. Still buzzing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on June 24, 2017, 10:45:32 PM
OK the Bar. So Sean Og to blame for everything when you lose. And does not deserve any credit whatsoever when you win. He backed Burns from the start and took the flak with him, but continued to back him...and today as far as Im.concerned, albeit as a neutral, today  is redemption day for them both. Down won back the admiration of everyone tonight. And their pride too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 24, 2017, 10:55:53 PM
Great performance from Down this evening I'm happy to admit I was wrong, no negatives the lads put in a massive effort and restored some pride in the red and black, it was great to see a big Down support get behind the team!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 24, 2017, 11:01:01 PM
Quote from: bannside on June 24, 2017, 10:45:32 PM
OK the Bar. So Sean Og to blame for everything when you lose. And does not deserve any credit whatsoever when you win. He backed Burns from the start and took the flak with him, but continued to back him...and today as far as Im.concerned, albeit as a neutral, today  is redemption day for them both. Down won back the admiration of everyone tonight. And their pride too.

Just leave it for a few days, great win and brilliant performance, roll on the Ulster Finsl and hopefully we'll be a handful for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 25, 2017, 07:01:31 PM
will next fridays league games be starred games now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 25, 2017, 09:30:07 PM
It almost defies belief that Down could go four years without a win in the Ulster championship, and also endure a run of 14 consecutive league and championship defeats, avoid relegation to D3 through an injury time free in Cork, and then suddenly pull off completely unexpected but totally deserved victories over Armagh and Monaghan to find ourselves in a provincial final.

We all know that following Down is a roller coaster but it is doubtful if we have ever been through a period of such contrasts as this one, and the management and players deserve enormous credit for what they have achieved.

Eamonn Burns will be aware that no county manager can lose his first 11 competitive games on the bounce without coming under a critical spotlight, but with hindsight he inherited an almost impossible position in his first year and has since quietly gone about his work and produced a squad which is fit, focused and believes in what it is doing.

While Tyrone will be formidable opposition, we are improving steadily and never had any fear of them in the first place. It was a magnificent performance which made us all proud to be Down people and you cannot ask for more than that.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 26, 2017, 10:58:26 AM
Although it was a superb win on Saturday night, that was just the icing on the cake.  What we as supporters want is our county to play with heart and pride, as well some sort of a game plan.  We got all of that and some at the weekend and that is what was so pleasing.  If you play like that, you will inevitably win big games.

Tyrone will be tough opposition in the final, we are all aware of that.  If we can display the same attributes as we have done to date however then we can be sure Tyrone will know they were in a game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 26, 2017, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on June 26, 2017, 10:58:26 AM
Although it was a superb win on Saturday night, that was just the icing on the cake.  What we as supporters want is our county to play with heart and pride, as well some sort of a game plan.  We got all of that and some at the weekend and that is what was so pleasing.  If you play like that, you will inevitably win big games.

Tyrone will be tough opposition in the final, we are all aware of that.  If we can display the same attributes as we have done to date however then we can be sure Tyrone will know they were in a game.

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 26, 2017, 02:15:50 PM
My brother is looking into hiring a coach for any dublin based supporters looking to go to the ulster final. Public transport is poor enough to Clones. Will probably work out at €25/30 return. Pm me if anyone you know might be interested.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 26, 2017, 02:21:55 PM
Any news on how serious Connaire Harrisons injury is?
It was a brilliant night in Armagh on Saturday, easily the best game I was at since the Kerry and Kildare games in 2010.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on June 26, 2017, 03:19:22 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 26, 2017, 02:21:55 PM
Any news on how serious Connaire Harrisons injury is?
It was a brilliant night in Armagh on Saturday, easily the best game I was at since the Kerry and Kildare games in 2010.

He was interviewed after the game and said he was grand...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 26, 2017, 06:48:53 PM
Glad to hear it, he had a great game on Saturday, Wylie wasn't expecting that!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on June 26, 2017, 08:16:38 PM
Had somewhat of a secret weapon in Harrison, not so secret now! I'd expect him to be fine to train this week. He looked to hold hamstring, then got a rub and spray on a calf. Clarke at half time did say he wouldn't be the fittest boy in the world so.

As supporters, the least we really ask for is effort and heart, got them in spades at the weekend. The performance and result followed. As good and intense a game as I've seen from Down in quite a while. Amazing.

Referee in second half was awful from a Down perspective. Gave some very very harsh calls against us.

McKernan a lucky boy at the end, wouldn't expect such a high and rash challenge from man with his experience. Harrison deserved MoM award for me, not KMcK.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 26, 2017, 11:38:53 PM
Connaire Harrison has been deservedly shortlisted on the official GAA website as player of the week. Down supporters can vote for him through the link below, but only until 10am on Tuesday.

http://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-footballer-the-week-nominations-139446/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 27, 2017, 11:09:54 AM
Good piece here from Jim, not sure about his view on the mark though.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-mark-has-played-key-role-in-down-s-unlikely-rise-1.3134410
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 27, 2017, 01:25:29 PM
I can't understand why plenty of people are saying that Tyrone will hammer us, I don't think we'll win but I don't expect a walkover as some are predicting. Tyrone hammered Derry and Donegal but Derry are useless and I must have been watching a different Tyrone v Donegal match as I thought Donegal were awful more than Tyrone being amazing. Both Derry and Donegal threw the towel in for the last quarter of the match which is where Tyrone really opened up a big gap between the teams.

Yes we're not coming in under the radar and Harrison is no longer a secret weapon but I'd like to think we can give Tyrone their fill of it and at least make it a competitive match. Some turnaround from the attitudes after the Fermanagh and Clare matches when we thought we wouldn't win a game all season - we're not just one win (Ulster final or qualifier) away from an AI QF.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on June 27, 2017, 02:30:41 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 27, 2017, 01:25:29 PM
I can't understand why plenty of people are saying that Tyrone will hammer us, I don't think we'll win but I don't expect a walkover as some are predicting. Tyrone hammered Derry and Donegal but Derry are useless and I must have been watching a different Tyrone v Donegal match as I thought Donegal were awful more than Tyrone being amazing. Both Derry and Donegal threw the towel in for the last quarter of the match which is where Tyrone really opened up a big gap between the teams.

Yes we're not coming in under the radar and Harrison is no longer a secret weapon but I'd like to think we can give Tyrone their fill of it and at least make it a competitive match. Some turnaround from the attitudes after the Fermanagh and Clare matches when we thought we wouldn't win a game all season - we're not just one win (Ulster final or qualifier) away from an AI QF.

I think branding Harrison a secret weapon is a bit over the top. He has been in and around the county panel for a few seasons now, this year he has been given an opportunity with sustained game time and has taken it - he also played against Armagh and had a decent afternoon then also. He had a fantastic game on Saturday night and hopefully he can produce more of the same as he is clearly capable of it.
I don't think that Tyrone will hammer us either but it is hard not to see past a Tyrone victory. Then again I felt the exact same going into the Monaghan game so hopefully this Down team continue to surprise us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 27, 2017, 11:45:27 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on June 27, 2017, 02:30:41 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 27, 2017, 01:25:29 PM
I can't understand why plenty of people are saying that Tyrone will hammer us, I don't think we'll win but I don't expect a walkover as some are predicting. Tyrone hammered Derry and Donegal but Derry are useless and I must have been watching a different Tyrone v Donegal match as I thought Donegal were awful more than Tyrone being amazing. Both Derry and Donegal threw the towel in for the last quarter of the match which is where Tyrone really opened up a big gap between the teams.

Yes we're not coming in under the radar and Harrison is no longer a secret weapon but I'd like to think we can give Tyrone their fill of it and at least make it a competitive match. Some turnaround from the attitudes after the Fermanagh and Clare matches when we thought we wouldn't win a game all season - we're not just one win (Ulster final or qualifier) away from an AI QF.

I think branding Harrison a secret weapon is a bit over the top. He has been in and around the county panel for a few seasons now, this year he has been given an opportunity with sustained game time and has taken it - he also played against Armagh and had a decent afternoon then also. He had a fantastic game on Saturday night and hopefully he can produce more of the same as he is clearly capable of it.
I don't think that Tyrone will hammer us either but it is hard not to see past a Tyrone victory. Then again I felt the exact same going into the Monaghan game so hopefully this Down team continue to surprise us.
Sustained game time? 1 and 3/4 matches
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 28, 2017, 08:38:49 AM
In 2012 we got to an Ulster final and were destroyed by 11 points. We hadn't really expected to be there but we would have considered ourselves better than the two teams we beat - Fermanagh and Monaghan (Fermanagh had just won Div 4 and Monaghan just relegated to Div3). Suddenly we came up against a genuine All-Ireland contender and were taken apart.

This year we edged two teams who generally speaking we were not expecting to beat, and one of them is a serious contender at Ulster level and was whispered for a September challenge. So I think that is progress and probably marks a difference in how we arrived at the Ulster Final.

In 2012 we were beat (hammered) by the eventual champions and also the runners up, probably the two best teams in the country at the time. I just don't see Tyrone up there right now. I think they are more of a decent outside bet.

Basically I don't see us having such a gap in standard as we did in 2012. Also we have pushed Tyrone several times in the championship. There is not the justification for people saying we will get hammered. But at the same time, there is justification for saying we are deserved underdogs and that Tyrone would be expected to win. Indeed we could take a hammering. But it is far from certain.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on June 28, 2017, 09:12:01 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 27, 2017, 11:45:27 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on June 27, 2017, 02:30:41 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 27, 2017, 01:25:29 PM
I can't understand why plenty of people are saying that Tyrone will hammer us, I don't think we'll win but I don't expect a walkover as some are predicting. Tyrone hammered Derry and Donegal but Derry are useless and I must have been watching a different Tyrone v Donegal match as I thought Donegal were awful more than Tyrone being amazing. Both Derry and Donegal threw the towel in for the last quarter of the match which is where Tyrone really opened up a big gap between the teams.

Yes we're not coming in under the radar and Harrison is no longer a secret weapon but I'd like to think we can give Tyrone their fill of it and at least make it a competitive match. Some turnaround from the attitudes after the Fermanagh and Clare matches when we thought we wouldn't win a game all season - we're not just one win (Ulster final or qualifier) away from an AI QF.

I think branding Harrison a secret weapon is a bit over the top. He has been in and around the county panel for a few seasons now, this year he has been given an opportunity with sustained game time and has taken it - he also played against Armagh and had a decent afternoon then also. He had a fantastic game on Saturday night and hopefully he can produce more of the same as he is clearly capable of it.
I don't think that Tyrone will hammer us either but it is hard not to see past a Tyrone victory. Then again I felt the exact same going into the Monaghan game so hopefully this Down team continue to surprise us.
Sustained game time? 1 and 3/4 matches

Harrison got good game time during the McKenna Cup and National League.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on June 28, 2017, 09:21:15 AM
How many Down lads would start on the Tyrone team?

Ryan Johnson? Mooney?

Don't think he'd start on the Tyrone team but Shay Millar for me has been Down's best performer in both games. Is everywhere on the pitch, gets on a lot of ball and very rarely makes a mistake or takes the wrong option. Hadn't seen him play much before but have been pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 28, 2017, 11:06:46 AM
Lads do ulster final tickets be on general sale? Or only from Clubs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on June 28, 2017, 11:18:26 AM
Tickets on sale at SuperValu in Newry, though machine currently down or st tickets.ie
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 28, 2017, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on June 28, 2017, 09:21:15 AM
How many Down lads would start on the Tyrone team?

Ryan Johnson? Mooney?

Don't think he'd start on the Tyrone team but Shay Millar for me has been Down's best performer in both games. Is everywhere on the pitch, gets on a lot of ball and very rarely makes a mistake or takes the wrong option. Hadn't seen him play much before but have been pleasantly surprised.

As someone said elsewhere it only takes 1 good run to change everyone's perception of a player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 28, 2017, 01:55:42 PM
Although The Clutch suggests that Harrison got good game time in the McKenna Cup and the National League, he did not actually feature in either competition in 2017. He started against Monaghan in the USC first round last summer, and his next competitive appearance was in this year's first round against Armagh. However, he was previously involved in Down squads going back to 2013.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on June 28, 2017, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 28, 2017, 01:55:42 PM
Although The Clutch suggests that Harrison got good game time in the McKenna Cup and the National League, he did not actually feature in either competition in 2017. He started against Monaghan in the USC first round last summer, and his next competitive appearance was in this year's first round against Armagh. However, he was previously involved in Down squads going back to 2013.
I stand corrected - I remember seeing Harrison getting fair amount of game time in McKenna and NFL under Eamonn Burns, must have been 2016. I still stand by my statement that calling him a "secret weapon" is over the top, considering as you have pointed out Mourne Rover that he has been in and around the panel since 2013.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on June 29, 2017, 07:37:03 AM
Watched the game again , wasn't it nice to see Oisin mcconville squirm but the match asked me one question , how far can we go, is it a case of everything else is a bonus or can we really challenge, personally a fully fit and motivated Down will give any team a run , I say sit back lads and enjoy the ride , it will be good, to all involved congrats (Sean og included) to the begrudgers feck off , to Tyrone ,  beware of the crouching tiger in the red and black!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 30, 2017, 09:18:27 AM
 After all the euphoria of last weekend least we have a game tonight to look forward to.Liatroim beat Drumaness last night and I notice the Ballyholland Kilcoo game appears to taking place tonight.
Magpies obviously not wanting a backlog of fixtures at the end of the season that may interrupt a potential Ulster Championship run. By the way,well done to all last Saturday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 30, 2017, 07:28:19 PM
All County Minors

Must be the biggest number of entrants for a few years. Liatroim be the favourites ??

Group A
Saul
Baile an Locha
Downpatrick RGU
Bredagh


Group B 
Rostrevor 
Burren
Mayobridge
Rosconnor Gaels


Group C
Kilcoo
Bryansford
Clonduff
Carryduff


Group D
Shamrocks, 
Ballyholland
Liatroim
CPN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Laoiseabu on June 30, 2017, 10:21:34 PM
Laois 4 Sam
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on June 30, 2017, 11:45:34 PM
Laois 4 Sam
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on July 01, 2017, 12:27:24 AM
Harps had a surprisingly comfortable victory over a strong Kilcoo team tonight (apart from their County players obviously). We were missing Joe and Rony as well so it was a great result. Conor Laverty had an uncharacteristic abberation sticking the boot into one of our lads and getting a straight red. Nice to take two points off the Magpies. :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on July 03, 2017, 10:23:41 PM
Any news on Harrison's injury? Will he make the Ulster Final? Or Barry O Hagan? Is he out long term?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 04, 2017, 08:13:22 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on July 03, 2017, 10:23:41 PM
Any news on Harrison's injury? Will he make the Ulster Final? Or Barry O Hagan? Is he out long term?
Eamon Burns said today Connaire is fit and ready. O Hagen could be out for the year has to go see a specialist in Dublin .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on July 10, 2017, 02:31:52 PM
Big crowd going on Sunday I gather. Buses running from a lot of towns.
Here's hoping that Down can get into Tyrones faces as they did to Monaghan and bring Mooney/O'Hanlon and the Johnstons into the game on the back of that. 
Too many defeats in finals these past 20 years.  Time to change our fortunes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on July 10, 2017, 06:06:19 PM
  Looking forward to it all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 10, 2017, 10:33:07 PM
For any Down supporters based in dublin, there is a bus running to Clones on Sunday. €28 return. Pm me to book a seat only 4 spaces left.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 11, 2017, 12:30:09 PM
Those Tyrone ones are seriously cocky wh0res over on the ulster final thread. It would be brilliant to knock them on their arses on Sunday. Do we have a chance. Who knows. The intensity from monaghan game will have to be there. Hopefully we don't revert to type and get a hiding. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on July 11, 2017, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 11, 2017, 12:30:09 PM
Those Tyrone ones are seriously cocky wh0res over on the ulster final thread. It would be brilliant to knock them on their arses on Sunday. Do we have a chance. Who knows. The intensity from monaghan game will have to be there. Hopefully we don't revert to type and get a hiding. Looking forward to it.

Cant wait for it either lads.

If yous are still about an hour or so after the final whistle I will meet yous up in the Square for a pint?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 11, 2017, 01:18:20 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 11, 2017, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 11, 2017, 12:30:09 PM
Those Tyrone ones are seriously cocky wh0res over on the ulster final thread. It would be brilliant to knock them on their arses on Sunday. Do we have a chance. Who knows. The intensity from monaghan game will have to be there. Hopefully we don't revert to type and get a hiding. Looking forward to it.

Cant wait for it either lads.

If yous are still about an hour or so after the final whistle I will meet yous up in the Square for a pint?

If your predictions are right you'll be too busy watching Big Sean lift the cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on July 11, 2017, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 11, 2017, 01:18:20 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 11, 2017, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 11, 2017, 12:30:09 PM
Those Tyrone ones are seriously cocky wh0res over on the ulster final thread. It would be brilliant to knock them on their arses on Sunday. Do we have a chance. Who knows. The intensity from monaghan game will have to be there. Hopefully we don't revert to type and get a hiding. Looking forward to it.

Cant wait for it either lads.

If yous are still about an hour or so after the final whistle I will meet yous up in the Square for a pint?

If your predictions are right you'll be too busy watching Big Sean lift the cup.

Thats why I asked if yous are still about an hour after the final whistle  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 11, 2017, 01:58:23 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 11, 2017, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 11, 2017, 01:18:20 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 11, 2017, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 11, 2017, 12:30:09 PM
Those Tyrone ones are seriously cocky wh0res over on the ulster final thread. It would be brilliant to knock them on their arses on Sunday. Do we have a chance. Who knows. The intensity from monaghan game will have to be there. Hopefully we don't revert to type and get a hiding. Looking forward to it.

Cant wait for it either lads.

If yous are still about an hour or so after the final whistle I will meet yous up in the Square for a pint?

If your predictions are right you'll be too busy watching Big Sean lift the cup.

Thats why I asked if yous are still about an hour after the final whistle  ;)

We'll be down on the pitch clapping you on, like I said we're only going for the day out!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 12, 2017, 08:15:46 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 11, 2017, 01:58:23 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 11, 2017, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 11, 2017, 01:18:20 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 11, 2017, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 11, 2017, 12:30:09 PM
Those Tyrone ones are seriously cocky wh0res over on the ulster final thread. It would be brilliant to knock them on their arses on Sunday. Do we have a chance. Who knows. The intensity from monaghan game will have to be there. Hopefully we don't revert to type and get a hiding. Looking forward to it.

Cant wait for it either lads.

If yous are still about an hour or so after the final whistle I will meet yous up in the Square for a pint?

If your predictions are right you'll be too busy watching Big Sean lift the cup.

Thats why I asked if yous are still about an hour after the final whistle  ;)

We'll be down on the pitch clapping you on, like I said we're only going for the day out!
Gonna bring the flask and a few buns for the Tyrone trophy presentation. Will enjoy the day out. Pinch myself to see if it's real. Great day out for Down against Alll Ireland contenders. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 12, 2017, 08:44:25 PM
Looking forward to a good day out. Plenty of interest around, not too much hype given we're near 5/1 outsiders (longest price ever for a Down team in an Ulster final) but a bit of understated confidence. As Danny Hughes said in the Irish News today, we really have nothing to lose. The Chat shows tomorrow and Friday should be interesting, although in my experience anything  more than 3 on a panel doesn't work, and I expect the same starting 15 as the semi-final.
Weather forecast is dry, four different teams on display, really is bonus territory but what would you give for Darren O'Hagan's cheeky grin from the Gerry Arthurs platform at 3.45?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 12, 2017, 08:53:45 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 12, 2017, 08:15:46 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 11, 2017, 01:58:23 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 11, 2017, 01:21:30 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 11, 2017, 01:18:20 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 11, 2017, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 11, 2017, 12:30:09 PM
Those Tyrone ones are seriously cocky wh0res over on the ulster final thread. It would be brilliant to knock them on their arses on Sunday. Do we have a chance. Who knows. The intensity from monaghan game will have to be there. Hopefully we don't revert to type and get a hiding. Looking forward to it.

Cant wait for it either lads.

If yous are still about an hour or so after the final whistle I will meet yous up in the Square for a pint?

If your predictions are right you'll be too busy watching Big Sean lift the cup.

Thats why I asked if yous are still about an hour after the final whistle  ;)

We'll be down on the pitch clapping you on, like I said we're only going for the day out!
Gonna bring the flask and a few buns for the Tyrone trophy presentation. Will enjoy the day out. Pinch myself to see if it's real. Great day out for Down against Alll Ireland contenders.


Thats it's snoopdog, we'll just be in awe to be in the exalted company of three time AI winners and inventors of Gaelic football, Tyrone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 12, 2017, 10:05:04 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-statistics-what-makes-down-so-great-to-watch-1.3152564

Not a bad article.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on July 14, 2017, 09:22:11 AM
Maurice Hayes on the 1960's;

Part 1
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/the-man-who-brought-down-to-the-top-of-gaelic-football-35916309.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/the-man-who-brought-down-to-the-top-of-gaelic-football-35916309.html)
Part 2
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/my-down-exit-isnt-something-that-burns-me-up-hayes-35920883.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/my-down-exit-isnt-something-that-burns-me-up-hayes-35920883.html)
Part 3
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/we-missed-signs-and-failed-to-net-allireland-treble-35920882.html

Some things never change in Down it seems!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on July 14, 2017, 10:43:45 AM
Was team announced in CC last night as mentioned?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on July 14, 2017, 10:49:46 AM
Lads we haven't yet had the pre Clones drive to Ulster final discussion yet!

So what way is everyone going because every way I've tried is a complete bollix. I had it in my head that if I was to go again (heading from outside Downpatrick) I would try going to Ballygawley then onto Fivemiletown and Clones but on this occasion it will be a car park with Tyrone wans.

It will probably be Newtownhamilton, Castleblayney, Ballybay. Any other ways?

 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 14, 2017, 12:05:50 PM
I head down the M1 to the Castleblaney turn then head to Ballybay. But from here instead of Newbliss-Clones. I turn down to Cootehill and cut across onto the Cavan Road and enter Clones from the South. this is a bit of a longer route but much less cars which is more enjoyable. The main advantage is coming home. See everyone arrives at different times so getting in is not horrendous. But every car leaves at the same time, so the road becomes a car park. This way I am heading South and East where all the traffic wants to go North and north/East Joining back at Ballybay isn't too bad and the N53 after Castleblaney is no bother.

Whatever way it is best to park about a mile outside Clones or you will just be sitting in the car for about 2 hours afterwards not moving.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: UlsterMan2 on July 14, 2017, 12:16:22 PM
Newry, Armagh, Middletown then Monaghan town would be the best bet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on July 14, 2017, 12:51:00 PM
Best to stay away from Middletown as this be jammed with Tyronies!! M1 as far as Junction 17 head for Blayney, Ballybay,Newbliss Clones!!

Team not being named now until after training tonight according To Jack Devenny in CC last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 14, 2017, 09:59:10 PM
Joe Murphy named at 10 for Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on July 14, 2017, 10:27:20 PM
Turley must be injured, I hope he makes it as he would be a big loss
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 14, 2017, 10:50:20 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 14, 2017, 09:59:10 PM
Joe Murphy named at 10 for Sunday.
theres no way turley wont be playing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gabriel on July 14, 2017, 11:00:03 PM
Pretty sure Turley wasn't named in the team announced for either Armagh or Monaghan but he's started both.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 14, 2017, 11:54:32 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 14, 2017, 10:50:20 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 14, 2017, 09:59:10 PM
Joe Murphy named at 10 for Sunday.
theres no way turley wont be playing.

There's no chance of us winning if he doesn't.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 15, 2017, 08:08:19 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 14, 2017, 11:54:32 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 14, 2017, 10:50:20 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 14, 2017, 09:59:10 PM
Joe Murphy named at 10 for Sunday.
theres no way turley wont be playing.

There's no chance of us winning if he doesn't.
Turley will start. He wasn't inice team announced for Monaghan game either. Don't know what benefit is of not giving the correct starting 15. Tyrone team has no colm kavanagh but he will start also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 15, 2017, 09:17:13 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 15, 2017, 08:08:19 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 14, 2017, 11:54:32 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 14, 2017, 10:50:20 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 14, 2017, 09:59:10 PM
Joe Murphy named at 10 for Sunday.
theres no way turley wont be playing.

There's no chance of us winning if he doesn't.
Turley will start. He wasn't inice team announced for Monaghan game either. Don't know what benefit is of not giving the correct starting 15. Tyrone team has no colm kavanagh but he will start also.

There's no Colm Kavanagh alright but the man I'm more worried about is Colm Cavanagh and he's down as number eight!  ;D I actually think it's the other way round and Cavanagh won't be starting if the injury rumours are true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 15, 2017, 11:53:18 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 15, 2017, 09:17:13 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 15, 2017, 08:08:19 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 14, 2017, 11:54:32 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 14, 2017, 10:50:20 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 14, 2017, 09:59:10 PM
Joe Murphy named at 10 for Sunday.
theres no way turley wont be playing.

There's no chance of us winning if he doesn't.
Turley will start. He wasn't inice team announced for Monaghan game either. Don't know what benefit is of not giving the correct starting 15. Tyrone team has no colm kavanagh but he will start also.

There's no Colm Kavanagh alright but the man I'm more worried about is Colm Cavanagh and he's down as number eight!  ;D I actually think it's the other way round and Cavanagh won't be starting if the injury rumours are true.
I knew as soon as I posted I had spelt the name wrong. But I wasn't arsed changing it. Knew someone else would correct me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on July 15, 2017, 12:20:49 PM
Did you also know you where talking complete shite by saying he wasn't named to start?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 15, 2017, 04:50:42 PM
good luck to the players and management tomorrow. its been too long since an Ulster title came back to Down hopefully that will change tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on July 15, 2017, 07:29:11 PM
  Looking forward to a 3 week run-in to the AI QF.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 15, 2017, 10:04:23 PM
Quote from: Hoes before bros on July 15, 2017, 12:20:49 PM
Did you also know you where talking complete shite by saying he wasn't named to start?
Get over yourself you clown . I was told by a Tyrone man he wasn't in the starting 15.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 15, 2017, 11:32:14 PM
Down now at 11/2 on PaddyPower. Worth a tenner in the morning.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 15, 2017, 11:44:38 PM
Good luck AnDun tomorrow, Erin's Isle bar in Albufeira for me tomorrow, hope I'm celebrating about 4ish, first championship game missed in years, gutted but sure I'll not care when we lift the Anglo Celt!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 16, 2017, 08:59:03 AM
I watched the 1999 semi-final between Down and Tyrone in Albufeira. Tyrone were hot favourites. As good as it gets.
On the way to the AI semi-final in 1991 my younger brother used an expression about Peter Withnell  that our da often said;
"Cometh the hour, cometh the man".
This week he assured me that Connaire Harrison will be the man today. That's good enough for me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on July 16, 2017, 02:57:40 PM
Your Tyrone mate is just as full of shit as you are then snoop
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 16, 2017, 07:07:44 PM
Gutted for the Down men today, it's a learning curve and we're not anywhere the top but wouldn't it be great to send them Armagh pricks packing if we draw them ( we're bound to) keep er' lit lads!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 16, 2017, 07:27:30 PM
Quote from: Targetman on July 16, 2017, 07:07:44 PM
Gutted for the Down men today, it's a learning curve and we're not anywhere the top but wouldn't it be great to send them Armagh pricks packing if we draw them ( we're bound to) keep er' lit lads!!

I think halfway through the league (or even after staying up) most people would have taken your hand off to beat Armagh and Monaghan and end up in an Ulster Final even if it did end up in a beating. There's things to improve on and a bit of luck at key moments might have seen the game played out differently but we can't complain too much. I think it shows you really do need to be in Division One to be competing, as Down just hadn't come up against a defense as professional as Tyrone's before today. Onwards to the qualifiers and let's hope we draw Armagh. It only gets easier if we win as the Dubs lie in wait for a quarter final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on July 16, 2017, 08:38:12 PM
Targetman you were exactly what was missing today as Harrison offered nothing. Not all his fault though as he was basically double marked. It's a bit disappointing that there was no plan b as Tyrone were always going to play colm cavanagh in front of him. The only time Down looked like scoring was when they ran at them but Ryan Johnson and O'Hanlon were happy to run round in circles and play keep ball until Tyrone turned them over and went down the other end and punished them. However Id have took getting to an Ulster final at the start of the year so well done to all involved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 16, 2017, 08:45:00 PM
Very disappointing day for the players, management and the large Down support. Tyrone stepped it up at the start of the 2nd half and we just couldn't respond. Beaten by the better team, just disappointing it was over as a contest long before the final whistle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 16, 2017, 09:09:36 PM
We got schooled today.

It happens.

Whether we learn from it is the big question.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on July 16, 2017, 09:22:27 PM
Today was always going to be tough and whilst we all hoped for a win I don't think the players looked like they believed it could happen. But for brief spells we looked lost against the organisation of Tyrone. Once they closed up shop at the back, our half back line didn't look like it had the power to break the lines.
We didn't have the intensity in the tackle that was brought to the Monaghan game. Harrison was well shackled and Cavanagh blocked any potential space.
Hampsey done a lot of harm and basically done what McKernan done v monaghan. McKernan didn't get the ball or the space to dictate and whilst his black card was harsh I don't think it had any bearing on the result.
The biggest test will be lifting themselves to topple Armagh or monaghan again but neither of them are world beaters so hopefully players can believe in themselves and go to the well again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 16, 2017, 09:29:42 PM
We surprised ourselves by getting to the final and it would have been amazing if  the goal O'Hanlon should have scored had left us in front at the break. However, reality kicked in the third quarter and the game was effectively over ten minutes after the break.

We have nothing to be ashamed of as we have made striking progress in the last couple of months and we were up against a Tyrone side which is way ahead of our present level. Their bench was particularly impressive and we would probably have to accept that the final margin could have been much worse than eight points.

However, we are still one match away from a quarter final which very few would have predicted, although being asked to beat either Armagh or Monaghan for the second time in the same summer will be tough.

Cunningham did well in nets and had no chance with either goal. Gerard McGovern was probably the pick of a defence which was always going to have a tough day. Donnelly had a decent spell at midfield before he tired, while all of our forwards worked hard on limited possession with Ryan Johnston the pick of the bunch.

Regrouping is never easy but at least we can look forward to opposition the next day which will be much closer to our own standard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 18, 2017, 08:23:26 AM
I have a slightly different view to most people. In the first half we lived with Tyrone. Tyrone fans say that's only cos they had a bad first half. But funnily enough aparantly Armagh and Monaghan both played poorly against us!!

To win a team needs belief and confidence. For Tyrone that comes through their experience. For an underdog it needs to be proven during the match.

We missed some critical scores. In the first minute a great pass was put into Harrison and he let it bounce off him, Tyrone went down the field and scored. What would getting an easy quick score have done for our lads self belief?

We missed a goal chance in the last minute before half time and an easy point at the start of the second half. Four points would have given energy and belief back to Down. Would Tyrone have hit their purple patch so easily?

When Tyrone had that patch where they scored 7 consecutive points, we had four wides from fairly scoreable positions. The 9 point deficit that opened up caused our lads heads to drop. We failed to stay within a few points and the confidence sapped.

By the time our lads started to fight again it was too late but at least we saw some reaction. Then we were hit by a couple of sucker punches in the goals.

So my overall view remains that man for man our boys are not that far away from Tyrone for skills. But team confidence and belief leaves us 8 points behind. Tyrone are a machine that doesn't stop. We were only good when things were coming of for us and faltered when they weren't.

We missed a fair few scoreable chances and sometimes players passed up a scoring chance to move the ball to somone else. This only changes with confidence. It isn't a fundamental lack of skill.

Lots of what if's here I know. Lots of optimistic conjecture. But I really believe if they stick at it and learn to bring the energy and aggression of the first half to every minute of the game (especially when a good bit behind) then this Down team could win Ulster at least.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 18, 2017, 08:38:49 AM
What game were you watching Pauld?
Tyrone should have been completely out of sight after 27 minutes.They squandered about 3 goal chances and kicked numerous  wides.Down done well to come back to within 1 but they were always going to up it for a bit in the second half to out the game to bed.
We don't have the marquee forwards we used to have and I feel that's our weakness at the minute.Our defence have been sound to date but could do with 2 more quality players but what Burns needs to do for next season is find a mobile midfield and 3-4 forwards
Burns will get next year at the job but I think Down need to go for a Jimmy McGuinness type manager if they are to win trophies next year
Harsh maybe but true
To many lads getting carried away after a few wins
Monaghan have been shown for what an average team they are
Armagh also
I know this won't go down well but here it's a discussion board I'm entitle to my opinion

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on July 18, 2017, 09:05:46 AM
You are Smurfy, you are. And you're not far away with those comments.

Glad we've another day out so that the boys get the chance to redeem things, a chance they've certainly earned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on July 18, 2017, 09:38:44 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 18, 2017, 08:23:26 AM
I have a slightly different view to most people. In the first half we lived with Tyrone. Tyrone fans say that's only cos they had a bad first half. But funnily enough aparantly Armagh and Monaghan both played poorly against us!!

To win a team needs belief and confidence. For Tyrone that comes through their experience. For an underdog it needs to be proven during the match.

We missed some critical scores. In the first minute a great pass was put into Harrison and he let it bounce off him, Tyrone went down the field and scored. What would getting an easy quick score have done for our lads self belief?

We missed a goal chance in the last minute before half time and an easy point at the start of the second half. Four points would have given energy and belief back to Down. Would Tyrone have hit their purple patch so easily?

When Tyrone had that patch where they scored 7 consecutive points, we had four wides from fairly scoreable positions. The 9 point deficit that opened up caused our lads heads to drop. We failed to stay within a few points and the confidence sapped.

By the time our lads started to fight again it was too late but at least we saw some reaction. Then we were hit by a couple of sucker punches in the goals.

So my overall view remains that man for man our boys are not that far away from Tyrone for skills. But team confidence and belief leaves us 8 points behind. Tyrone are a machine that doesn't stop. We were only good when things were coming of for us and faltered when they weren't.

We missed a fair few scoreable chances and sometimes players passed up a scoring chance to move the ball to somone else. This only changes with confidence. It isn't a fundamental lack of skill.

Lots of what if's here I know. Lots of optimistic conjecture. But I really believe if they stick at it and learn to bring the energy and aggression of the first half to every minute of the game (especially when a good bit behind) then this Down team could win Ulster at least.

How can one man be so deluded?
We were at least 12/14 points the better team until we emptied the bench & McQuillan started giving easy frees.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 18, 2017, 09:41:50 AM
You're both talking a bit of sense. Yes Tyrone could have been well ahead after half an hour, but Down also missed a few easy scores and on numerous occasions worked their way into scoring opportunities only to turn back into trouble or out to the wings. Tyrone are definitely on a different level to us and I don't think we'll be challenging for honours any time soon. However, we should be confident of at least holding our own in Ulster over the next few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 18, 2017, 10:03:15 AM
No problem with your comments Surmfy. They are not wrong about the game. I'm just looking at why they are correct. But I don't think we need 3-4 forwards, we need our current forwards scoring confidently. We do not take direct chances. There is a hesitancy there. Tyrone are more ruthless with chances. Players need to have the confidence that the the second the score is on they just take it. Our boys don't show that. Tyrone do!

What I was saying is that we certainly were in a position to score more. Now it is about changing potential in confident scoring. We tend to overwork a clear scoring chance looking for a better one. Just take the score and come again.

When that happens not only will score more it also damages the oppositions confidence (which is what Tyrone did to us).

I would like to think that Burns sacraficed the league to prepare a team for the championship. Next year I hope he would use the league to practice becoming ruthless scorers. I would want to see us showing determined aggression in every game for the full 70. Then we would be ready for a real Ulster challenge.

I will repeat my view that man for man Down are not way behind Tyrone in basic skill level. It is confidence, belief, trust, and an ability to keep going for 70 minutes that I think we lack.

Also gonna repeat that Donegal were ripped apart by Armagh in 2010 and two years later were champions with all their All-stars having played in that game against Armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on July 18, 2017, 01:34:08 PM
Anyone at the Kilcoo CPN game last night? Result Not a massive shock with Kilcoo missing so many lads. Heard the point missing 2/3 as well though. Any reports on the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on July 18, 2017, 04:45:35 PM
Quote from: upandwin on July 18, 2017, 01:34:08 PM
Anyone at the Kilcoo CPN game last night? Result Not a massive shock with Kilcoo missing so many lads. Heard the point missing 2/3 as well though. Any reports on the game?

CPN were missing 2 McCartans (Ciaran and Cormac) Ross McGarry, Miceal O'Hare, Sean Gallagher, Ryan Mallon didn't start but came on the 2nd half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: One in All in on July 18, 2017, 05:17:56 PM
Was at the game last night - entertaining for a neutral

Kilcoo missing 2 Johnstons, D O'Hanlon, Conor Lavery and Aaron Morgan

Point missing above listed names plus Paddy Murdock and Ryan Mc Aleenan

Point should have won by more - they had alot of possession and didn't take chances

Didn't look like a Kilcoo Championship team with PD off the pace



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on July 19, 2017, 02:22:33 PM
Quote from: One in All in on July 18, 2017, 05:17:56 PM
Was at the game last night - entertaining for a neutral

Kilcoo missing 2 Johnstons, D O'Hanlon, Conor Lavery and Aaron Morgan

Point missing above listed names plus Paddy Murdock and Ryan Mc Aleenan

Point should have won by more - they had alot of possession and didn't take chances

Didn't look like a Kilcoo Championship team with PD off the pace
Both teams will have a completely different look come the championship . Devlin spent a lot of his evening running after his marker and then struggled to get back up the pitch to the opposition half where he is at his most productive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bigben36 on July 21, 2017, 01:33:25 PM
I see Clann na Banna are going to the DRA next week to sign a lad from Aghaderg. Sorted him out with a new house and all -  ;) ;). Big push for promotion this year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 21, 2017, 05:39:20 PM
He must be some player!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: UlsterMan2 on July 22, 2017, 03:04:10 AM
Ventured to the rgu match tonight score line flattered Downpatrick with only a minute to go stone should have made it a draw but a missed chance and rgu went up the field and got a goal, finished up 6 up, but have to say rice made a lot of calls against the stone especially a goal against the stone with 10 minutes to go, think the stone diserved a draw st least, but when ur lucks out its out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: UlsterMan2 on July 22, 2017, 03:12:59 AM
The other thing I must state is I've been till two rgu matches this year, first against mayobridge where I stated about Kieran Trainor making brave calls, 2nite he was standing just above me, at the stone match, apparently he hasn't refereed since that game, surely this county can't b doing without a referee of his standard, why is he not refereeing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: activegael on July 24, 2017, 08:57:29 AM
Any word as to why Glen conceded points to ford on friday night? Cant remember last time division 1 team conceded game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on July 24, 2017, 05:59:42 PM
Annaclone didn't field a team against Glenn two seasons ago. I think Kilcoo in the same season didn't field against Burren. And of course we all remember last seasons league final. There's 3 that I can remember
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 24, 2017, 06:02:03 PM
Quote from: activegael on July 24, 2017, 08:57:29 AM
Any word as to why Glen conceded points to ford on friday night? Cant remember last time division 1 team conceded game.
afaik they wouldn't field without their 3 county players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 26, 2017, 07:41:53 AM
Anyone think McKibben is worth a start on Saturday evening. I thought he done well when introduced against Tyrone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on July 26, 2017, 09:46:11 AM
Quote from: ardtole on July 26, 2017, 07:41:53 AM
Anyone think McKibben is worth a start on Saturday evening. I thought he done well when introduced against Tyrone.

Who would you drop in his place? I think he's a good option to come on later in the game when other teams are tiring. Turley & Donnelly have been solid in midfield so far - deserve their start imho.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on July 26, 2017, 12:54:46 PM
I think a few changes to freshen things uo would be a good thing, and maybe throw Monaghan a bit. O'Hare to start, maybe Mooney pushed up to half forward and K MC K to play his sweeping role from midfield. We would miss big Peter,s strength round the middle but could be used later in the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 26, 2017, 01:51:09 PM
Quote from: extra time on July 26, 2017, 12:54:46 PM
I think a few changes to freshen things uo would be a good thing, and maybe throw Monaghan a bit. O'Hare to start, maybe Mooney pushed up to half forward and K MC K to play his sweeping role from midfield. We would miss big Peter,s strength round the middle but could be used later in the game.

What does freshen things up mean? Surely we are looking for consistency and improvement not radical flip flopping for the craic.

Why O'Hare? Why put in someone that hasn't played all year? O'Hare was basically a free taker, contributed little from play and rarely scored from play. Didn't create chances for other players either.

If McKernan plays sweeper from midfield we automatically move the play further into our half. Why surrender territory?

If you move Mooney up the field who plays half back? Also you have just reduced your fielding ability by taking of Turley. If we lose midfield then what's the point in having Mooney in the forward line?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on July 26, 2017, 02:36:13 PM
If you dont know what freshen things up means forget about it. Surrender territory! Have you been watching football lately. Mooney could be given a free role further up the pitch and Either of McKibben  or McArdle could play half back. Plenty of space in Croke Park to work kick outs. Whats the point of having fellas on the panel without giving them a chance. My whole reason for suggesting a few changes was because of playing Monaghan again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on July 26, 2017, 09:32:23 PM
Surely O'Hare will start instead of Jerome. Yes he's not a big scorer from play but we are 3 games into the championship and Jerome is yet to score from play. The rest of extras posts there are a pile of shite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 26, 2017, 09:53:57 PM
Agree that jeromes place must be under threat most probably from o'hare but I would also bring in david mckibben for turley. I'd play mckibben in the no.7 jersey and move mooney to midfield. Croke park is a big pitch and we need legs and mobility in the middle 3rd. Turley and jerome to come on when game slows down in 2nd half, jerome maybe can have more impact from the bench. Its all only opinions guys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 27, 2017, 08:59:54 AM
Jerome hasn't looked great this year so far. I wonder if it is due to the mobility of the forward line. Harrsion doesn't exactly run around like a live wire and Ryan has ben played deep. Seems to me that Jerome prospers best when he is in a forward line that is moving teh defensive line around. At the College he had McCaratn and McGreevy running around and for Kilcoo he has Laverty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 27, 2017, 09:14:17 AM
Would the fact that Jerome is being marked by better defenders than he faces in Down not be the reason he has not been great this year?It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that players run about more.He has got plenty of ball but he just can't shake off his marker.Someone has asked why we need to freshen things up?Did you not see the Tyrone game?Tirally outplayed all over the field.Our biggest ball carrier Poland not used until the last 10 minutes even though it was clear the long ball game was not going to work?Our midfield were getting destroyed.McKibben needs to start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 27, 2017, 11:43:18 AM
I can't see oharas offering anymore than Jerome.  As someone else says he rarely scores from play for Down a good free taker yes but not sure if change for changes sake is required. Speed through the middle with mooney running at monaghan will cause them problems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on July 27, 2017, 12:11:48 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 27, 2017, 09:14:17 AM
Would the fact that Jerome is being marked by better defenders than he faces in Down not be the reason he has not been great this year?It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that players run about more.He has got plenty of ball but he just can't shake off his marker.Someone has asked why we need to freshen things up?Did you not see the Tyrone game?Tirally outplayed all over the field.Our biggest ball carrier Poland not used until the last 10 minutes even though it was clear the long ball game was not going to work?Our midfield were getting destroyed.McKibben needs to start
Good to see there's more than me talking a "pile of shite". ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 27, 2017, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 27, 2017, 09:14:17 AM
Would the fact that Jerome is being marked by better defenders than he faces in Down not be the reason he has not been great this year?It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that players run about more.He has got plenty of ball but he just can't shake off his marker.Someone has asked why we need to freshen things up?Did you not see the Tyrone game?Tirally outplayed all over the field.Our biggest ball carrier Poland not used until the last 10 minutes even though it was clear the long ball game was not going to work?Our midfield were getting destroyed.McKibben needs to start

Well that's definitely going to reduce his impact and a fair point. But I still think that certain players suit certain systems. Mickey Linden was a terrific footballer but became most effective after James McCartan joined the team. James brought great movement and shifted the opposition defence leaving gaps for Mickey to avail off. Mickey did the same for James.

With a defensive line that is able to keep shape a small nimble forward will always struggle. He needs the defence to be moved about to find gaps to get through. Laverty pulled the shape out of defensive lines all day long. If we are not going to have a mobile forward line then probably better with bigger players up front.

But yeah better defenders will of course be a very big part of the equation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 27, 2017, 03:12:27 PM
Someone has to talk shite extra
Sure isn't that what it's about
If there was a bullshit page on here we would be on it 😂😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on July 27, 2017, 05:23:47 PM
Smurfy is a seasoned pro at talking shite extra. You could learn a lot from him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 28, 2017, 09:36:08 PM
Apparently no changes on the Down team for tomorrow, thought he might have given Mc kibben a start, Jerome Johnston's lucky to get another start, no scores in 3 matches ,he needs to step up tomorrow, it's a game we are well capable of winning but i expect a response from Monaghan that could lead to a fairly physical encounter, anyway the prize of a crack at the Dubs is there for the winner whether you want it or not, Down by the minimum!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 29, 2017, 09:10:17 PM
Gutted after that. Typical jackal and Hyde performance. Missed a few good goal chances. Didn't do ourselves justice in the 2nd half. Never showed anywhere near the intensity we did in 1st game against them. Hopefully this panel will stay together. Can't help but think what a difference conor Laverty would've made in that full forward line tonight. Big Connie Harrison has been magnificent in 3 of the 4 games. Disappointed yes more so now to see Armagh get to a quarter final. But credit to them they were better than Kildare tonight. Kildareso forwards were terrible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 29, 2017, 10:34:34 PM
Well that's that. Certainly not gutted as anyone who saw the shambles agin Fermanagh and Clare wouldn't recognise the team in red and black at HQ today. So GRMA to all involved, we've had a good five months and pride is back.
We really need to look at our tactics in the third quarter and I think we need a more significant physical pool of lads who can play for 70 minutes. A couple of bad decisions cost us today and a 8 point defeat was as harsh as the 8 point defeat against Tyrone somewhat flattered us. The Hughes boys called the shots and Kelly's goal showed we have a wee bit of cuteness still to learn. Deegan was generous to them in the first half while Harrison showed he is the man for the big occasion as long as he's not double teamed and the supply is right. We were baying for him to hit those frees in the second half as he was on fire and Darragh was strangely hesitant - management teams must learn to read a game and the mental state of players- Connail's wild shot a case in point. But hey, every man jack of them, Eamonn Burns included, deserve praise and unlike last year we have plenty to build on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 29, 2017, 11:01:37 PM
Poor second half cost us dearly, missed chances and a bollix of a referee all added to a timid exit from this years championship, progress made but a long way to go!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 30, 2017, 09:24:01 AM
Gutted, yes. But for the first time in about 5 years at least I see hope.

The lads have a psychology pproblem. They need to take their talent and become winners. Division 2 is the ideal platform for that. A chance to build consecutive victories, to become ruthless and start to believe in themselves.

When within 2 points of Tyrone or Monaghan our boys showed plenty of belief and were well in it. But in both games the opposition hit a purple patch scoring 4-5 quick points and stretching the lead, both times our lads looked beat. Heads dropped and confidence sapped. They simply didn't look llike they believed they could turn it around.

That will only come from winning, and Division 2 is certainly a great opportnity to build those victories.

Apart from that the defence needs to learn to work together better to close down opposition without silly little fouls. Those are killing us.

Buut there was a bit of bad luck too. Twice in the last ten minutes Harrison had goal chances that could have gone anywhere, luck just didn't fall our way, ball went a little high and in the other boounced wide. But either or both could easily have sneaked in.

Some things worked well other things need work. But I think we do have some very good raw ingredients.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 30, 2017, 10:22:05 AM
Disappointing in the end to lose by 8pts, dont think we deserved that margin of defeat. Loads of positives to take from the year, hopefully this panel of players will stick at it and if we can add a few then we can continue to build next year.
Again we were disappointing in the 3rd quarter and this is something that needs addressed along with the conceding of soft frees.
For the 1st time in a while though the pride is back in down football and its great to see so many kids kitted out in down gear. Hopefully better times ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 30, 2017, 11:24:25 AM
Maybe my posts are a bit rise tinted and I'must fooling myself but I do think we have a good chance at this team challenging in the future.

I don't think it is the third quarter we have a problem with specifically. I think it is teams taking a decent lead against us that is the problem. It just so happens that in the last two games this has happened in the third quarter. I would worry that if it happens in the 2nd or final quarter with would discover that it is being behind that is the problem not just energy lacking during minutes 45-60.

A team that can develop a "never beaten" mentality will always be a challenger. Think of Meath in the 90's, Mayo right now, our own county champions Kilcoo. That's what we are lacking. That never give in, never lie down, never stop believing attitude that drives teams on during periods when the opposition are having a purple patch and allows us a chance to turn it around.

If only we could see some Kilcoo style spirit in our county team then I think we would beat Monaghan and seriously be knocking on the door of an Ulster title.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 30, 2017, 11:35:58 AM
As someone mentioed earlier Conor Laverty would make a big difference playing in and around Harrisson.
Conor Garvey would be a welcome addition to the defence if he was still available.
The fact we have improved somewhat and there is a bit of optimism again, some players who may have opted out before might be easier to entice back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on July 30, 2017, 01:29:59 PM
Garvey and Laverty 2 great players but past is the past. We need to add to current group of players with fresh blood and get new leaders to emerge and drive the group on.

Ryan Brady, Daryl Brannigan, Piaras kane,  Tiarnan Rushe, Pierce Og McCrickard to name a few. All players capable of being developed into top county players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 30, 2017, 01:54:50 PM
i think laverty in particular would be a huge asset.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on July 30, 2017, 08:51:57 PM
I see the Irish News allstars voting starts this week. We should have a few; Cunningham, O'Hagan, McKernan and Harrison must be in with a good shout. O'Hanlon, Mooney and R Johnston should be close. My player of the season for Down would be Conor Maginn but he doesn't always get noticed.
Vote early and often.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 30, 2017, 09:30:07 PM
Maginn had a good year but was surprisingly subbed yesterday, I don't want to be negative as we had a good year but what was the point in putting Joe Murphy on with 10 seconds left, Joe gives his all any time he's called upon and didn't deserve that, a ridiculous decision, he didn't look too happy going off the field and who could blame him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 31, 2017, 05:33:56 AM
You call winning 4 games a good year?And getting 2 hammerings.
The sooner people realise this management team are out of their depth the better .
Down have good players but a poor manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 31, 2017, 12:06:16 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 31, 2017, 05:33:56 AM
You call winning 4 games a good year?And getting 2 hammerings.
The sooner people realise this management team are out of their depth the better .
Down have good players but a poor manager
Who would you suggest ? Would we not go back to square 1 again? Who else actually wants to be the Down manager?  Pete Mcgrath maybe but the co board treated him horrendously the last time he put his name in the hat.. I think Eamon has turned it around and surely deserves another year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 31, 2017, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 31, 2017, 05:33:56 AM
You call winning 4 games a good year?And getting 2 hammerings.
The sooner people realise this management team are out of their depth the better .
Down have good players but a poor manager
Yea winning 4 games compared to the previous year when we didn't win 1 is an improvement, that's why I called it a good year, i know only too well how far we are from being anywhere near the top tier, as for the management I'd be surprised if Burns doesn't get another year,what's the alternative?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 31, 2017, 05:46:42 PM
Reflecting on the year, it's amazing to consider this fact.
At the weekend 160 footballers from eight of the top teams in Ireland took to the field in Croke Park.
Among them all,the top scorer from play was a Down Division 3 player who didn't kick a ball in the league or the McKenna cup.
Connaire Harrison is the first man from Glasdrumman to play senior championship football for Down.
While he may not get an All-Star nomination he should feature in the Irish News top 15.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on August 03, 2017, 04:50:48 PM
Anybody at the Harps V An Ríocht game last night in Ballyholland. I was just looking for a neutral assessment of the last 2 or 3 minutes??? :-X :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 03, 2017, 10:43:11 PM
Down's centre of excellence is to be based at Ballykinlar, currently negotiating with the British government regarding leasing part of the army camp, not a very central location and as for the dealings with the British government wouldn't be ideal, just my opinion, any thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 04, 2017, 08:48:51 AM
Quote from: 5 Sams on August 03, 2017, 04:50:48 PM
Anybody at the Harps V An Ríocht game last night in Ballyholland. I was just looking for a neutral assessment of the last 2 or 3 minutes??? :-X :-X
Must have been a good game to watch, very high scoring.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 04, 2017, 09:54:45 AM
My neutral assessment is that the Harps let themselves down again with off the field antics.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 04, 2017, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 04, 2017, 09:54:45 AM
My neutral assessment is that the Harps let themselves down again with off the field antics.
And not for the first and last time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 04, 2017, 02:11:14 PM
was talking to a couple of kingdom players who were saying they couldnt believe some of the things being said by ballyholland management and subs along the line. thats just one side though, im sure they werent innocent either. all i heard was about kingdom getting last minute penalty. what was the craic 5 sams??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on August 04, 2017, 02:14:53 PM
downjim...Granted a few of our supporters took things too fair..but the standard of refereeing is this county is terrible and doesn't help things. The Kingdom played very well but a draw would have been the right result. The Kingdom got a penalty with 2mins to go, which was never a penalty. It should have been a free from the 14, the foul wasn't inside box so don't know why he decided it was a penalty. There was a point in it at that stage, if he gives a free from the 14 instead of the penalty, the match finishes in a draw and the antics that happened after the final whistle don't happen at all. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 04, 2017, 09:59:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on August 04, 2017, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 04, 2017, 09:54:45 AM
My neutral assessment is that the Harps let themselves down again with off the field antics.
And not for the first and last time.

It's embarrassing the way Ballyholland management conduct themselves. And yer man wonders why his 'face doesn't fit' for the Down job? 😂 If you didn't laugh you'd cry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 05, 2017, 11:52:37 AM
Quote from: Targetman on August 03, 2017, 10:43:11 PM
Down's centre of excellence is to be based at Ballykinlar, currently negotiating with the British government regarding leasing part of the army camp, not a very central location and as for the dealings with the British government wouldn't be ideal, just my opinion, any thoughts?
It might sort out our Defence.  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on August 05, 2017, 04:38:15 PM
CPN sneaking up the league. Sitting joint 2nd on points with one less game played than Kilcoo. We have to play burren twice in 2nd half of the league. Those 2 games will have a big bearing on where we finish. Our teachers doing a great job in their 1st year. Last nights win was 8 in a row (I think)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on August 05, 2017, 10:56:21 PM
Target man, in case you didn't watch Monaghan thumped us last week, Dublin thumped them so it tells you that we have fallen way behind and one of the reasons is we don't have a centre of excellence, now unless you know a piece of land at a reasonable price, Ballykinlar seems to be the best show in town, also it's fairly central to all , the ground is sand based and won't cost a fortune , now I know there's going to be a few die hards who will revel in the British connection controversy but I believe them to be in the minority as the vote at the county board meeting will testify, so unless there's a spare million somewhere or some one has a positive alternative we should back this initiative,best news in a long time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 06, 2017, 07:40:41 AM
Quote from: Targetman on August 03, 2017, 10:43:11 PM
Down's centre of excellence is to be based at Ballykinlar, currently negotiating with the British government regarding leasing part of the army camp, not a very central location and as for the dealings with the British government wouldn't be ideal, just my opinion, any thoughts?
Ballykinlar is a lot more  central location than the Abbey, it wouldnt be any more than 15 mins from castlewellan.u
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 06, 2017, 08:14:24 AM
Quote from: ardtole on August 06, 2017, 07:40:41 AM
Quote from: Targetman on August 03, 2017, 10:43:11 PM
Down's centre of excellence is to be based at Ballykinlar, currently negotiating with the British government regarding leasing part of the army camp, not a very central location and as for the dealings with the British government wouldn't be ideal, just my opinion, any thoughts?
Ballykinlar is a lot more  central location than the Abbey, it wouldnt be any more than 15 mins from castlewellan.u

15 mins from castlewellan means 1.5 hrs per week for someone training 3 times a week.

I get that geographically it's a central spot. But in terms of club dispersion it is anything but central, and the vast majority of players across all age groups would be faced with longer trips, along poorer roads.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 06, 2017, 08:47:49 AM
Spot on wobbler it is in the arsehole of no where let's be frank about it.
Some hammerings given out yesterday just puts Downs season int perspective
We won 4 games all year
Derry-Without 4 Slaughneill players and a host of injuries
Meath-1 of the worst Meath teams in living memory
Armagh-Take a look at yesterday
Monaghan-Possibly the most overrated team that has every played our sport

Wobbler can you sum up Downs year?A man who talks a lot of sense and you seem to be a realist.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 06, 2017, 09:14:41 AM
Should Down keep using the Abbey facilities indefinitely, or have you another similar sized facility in a more preferred location in mind.

Ballykinlar Gaa club was used as a training base for County teams in the 80s/90s and the location as far as I know was never an issue then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 06, 2017, 10:30:35 AM
Quote from: oileain blues on August 05, 2017, 10:56:21 PM
Target man, in case you didn't watch Monaghan thumped us last week, Dublin thumped them so it tells you that we have fallen way behind and one of the reasons is we don't have a centre of excellence, now unless you know a piece of land at a reasonable price, Ballykinlar seems to be the best show in town, also it's fairly central to all , the ground is sand based and won't cost a fortune , now I know there's going to be a few die hards who will revel in the British connection controversy but I believe them to be in the minority as the vote at the county board meeting will testify, so unless there's a spare million somewhere or some one has a positive alternative we should back this initiative,best news in a long time.
I was in Croke Park yesterday and seen both games, I know that Down are a long way off the top teams and a centre of excellence is to be welcomed but i know everyone won't agree on the location but no way is it central to all clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 06, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
Down are about 5 years behind Tyrone physically and 10 years tactically
Look at the subs Down put on last week
4 points down bring on aidan carr
5 points down McKibben
7/8 points down Poland
3 minutes and 8 points down O Hare
10 seconds to go Murphy who was brilliant when he came on in the ulste final
If the top men in this county can't see that out senior management team are completely out of their depth then we are in trouble
Who are these men in the backroom team making the changes??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 06, 2017, 07:02:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 06, 2017, 08:47:49 AM
Spot on wobbler it is in the arsehole of no where let's be frank about it.
Some hammerings given out yesterday just puts Downs season int perspective
We won 4 games all year
Derry-Without 4 Slaughneill players and a host of injuries
Meath-1 of the worst Meath teams in living memory
Armagh-Take a look at yesterday
Monaghan-Possibly the most overrated team that has every played our sport

Wobbler can you sum up Downs year?A man who talks a lot of sense and you seem to be a realist.

The year was genuinely as good as as it could be. Stayed in D2. Won a championship match we'd no expectation of winning, and beat the old rivals Armagh.

Getting armagh at home in the championship was a genuine boon to the players. Whether or not they like/respect/enjoy Eamon Burns was never an issue; they'd a tangible and realistic goal to aim at all winter long. Perhaps, and I'm hoping so, it has allowed a few of the panel to reassess their opinion on him, and now get behind him, as what emanated at the end of the previous season was not what you want to hear.

Anyhow next season's draw is unusually important to progress. Pick up Antrim or Fermanagh, or possibly Cavan or Armagh at home, and the players will know they'll have a chance of creating a championship season. Tyrone in any venue, or Donegal, Derry or Monaghan away, and I'd expect a few boots to be nailed this winter.

Personally if I don't think we can afford to lose a couple of stalwarts. There are good players, potentially solid county players in Down who've never yet played county ball. But I don't think there's anyone in the club scene at present who will close the gap with Tyrone if given a chance.

This year's minor group is more promising than any in recent memory; they're an athletic bunch which is a great start. But none of them will be fit for big ball until 2-3 years time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2017, 12:18:26 AM
One of the key objectives of the Ballykinlar project, although it is not likely to be part of any official statement, is to eventually get Down in a position to compete with Tyrone,  who are miles ahead of all the other Ulster counties in terms of resources and facilities.

Tyrone's centre of excellence at Garvaghey is in an out of the way location, some distance from all their main towns, and in a hilly district where the wind is a big problem even in the summer.

However, the Tyrone county board decided that it was in a reasonably central part of their county, agreed that they could afford it and simply got on with it. Results at all levels over recent seasons have vindicated them.

We could look back at the missed opportunity of the former Castlewellan High School site in the 1990s and the subsequent Burrenbridge disaster, and feel sorry for ourselves as long as we like.

Alternatively, we could work out what is affordable and available to us in a setting accessible to all sections of our county, and start the task of catching up with our opponents.

The short stretch of road between Clough and Ballykinlar could do with an upgrade, but the land is at sea level, the soil is sand based and the neighbourhood has a long association with the training of Down teams.

It actually offers a number of advantages over Garvaghey if we can get the planning and financing aspects finalised so our destiny is in our own hands.

We have made clear progress with our senior squad this season but Tyrone remain the bench mark. They do not automatically produce better teams us but the Ulster final demonstrated that many of their players enjoy advantages in terms of physical and coaching preparations which we need to address.

It may take us five or even ten years to get there, but it has been 23 years since our last Ulster senior title and Ballykinlar surely gives us the chance to start heading in the right direction.





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oileain blues on August 07, 2017, 06:47:06 AM
Smurfy and Wobbler are obviously in the minority when the subject of Ballykinlar is raised, if either of them had a viable alternative , I would be interested, but there isn't , the positives out weigh the negatives , for years players have trained in Ballykinlar , it's the only pitch playable after wet weather , your moaning about travelling to Ballykinlar, for years players trekked to Newry and not a word and the cost of hiring pitches for both hurling and football won't be an issue, there will be an income from clubs hiring the facility so ultimately our finances will be in a better shape, so wobbler, smurfy and target man wake up and smell the coffee , it's going to happen and all your petty personal greviances you may have with the county board won't stop it, Mourne rovers comments are right on the mark, if any one has a viable alternative that won't bankrupt us or that is unattainable please come forward because I for one would be interested in reading them


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 07, 2017, 08:17:42 AM
Quote from: oileain blues on August 07, 2017, 06:47:06 AM
Smurfy and Wobbler are obviously in the minority when the subject of Ballykinlar is raised, if either of them had a viable alternative , I would be interested, but there isn't , the positives out weigh the negatives , for years players have trained in Ballykinlar , it's the only pitch playable after wet weather , your moaning about travelling to Ballykinlar, for years players trekked to Newry and not a word and the cost of hiring pitches for both hurling and football won't be an issue, there will be an income from clubs hiring the facility so ultimately our finances will be in a better shape, so wobbler, smurfy and target man wake up and smell the coffee , it's going to happen and all your petty personal greviances you may have with the county board won't stop it, Mourne rovers comments are right on the mark, if any one has a viable alternative that won't bankrupt us or that is unattainable please come forward because I for one would be interested in reading them




It might be the most obvious solution now. But here's the thing. This isn't like building a house, where if you see another one you fancy, you sell up and move. This is committing Down football to an outpost for eternity.


So here's the alternative: wait until a suitable, more central site comes along. Then commit with everything we have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 07, 2017, 08:47:44 AM
And by the way. This isn't a petty grievance. I don't do that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 07, 2017, 08:58:35 AM
Quote from: oileain blues on August 07, 2017, 06:47:06 AM
Smurfy and Wobbler are obviously in the minority when the subject of Ballykinlar is raised, if either of them had a viable alternative , I would be interested, but there isn't , the positives out weigh the negatives , for years players have trained in Ballykinlar , it's the only pitch playable after wet weather , your moaning about travelling to Ballykinlar, for years players trekked to Newry and not a word and the cost of hiring pitches for both hurling and football won't be an issue, there will be an income from clubs hiring the facility so ultimately our finances will be in a better shape, so wobbler, smurfy and target man wake up and smell the coffee , it's going to happen and all your petty personal greviances you may have with the county board won't stop it, Mourne rovers comments are right on the mark, if any one has a viable alternative that won't bankrupt us or that is unattainable please come forward because I for one would be interested in reading them

Don't be going and complicating things by trying to cater for us hurlers. Why change the habit of a lifetime?

Are we not already bankrupt?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 07, 2017, 09:12:38 AM
Here's the Centres of Excellence that we would be required to benchmark our facilities and success against.

Garvaghey. Positioned directly on the MAIN road between Tyrone's two largest towns, Omagh and Dungannon, and in close proximity to Ballygawley Roundabout, which connects the county to the rest of Ireland.

Cloghan. Positioned directly on the MAIN road that dissects Monaghan and offers easy access to Dublin based players, and close proximity to key population centres Castleblaney and Clontibret.

Darver: a 5 minute drive from the M1 that connects most of Louth, and offers easy access to Dublin based players. Close to key population centres Dundalk and Ardee.

Owenbeg: Positioned directly on the MAIN road that connects Derry City to its rural towns, and roughly half way between its key population bases of Magherafelt and Derry City.

Dunganny: Positioned a 5 min drive from the M3, providing direct access for Dublin based players, and a short drive from key population centres at Navan and Trim.

Can anyone spot what's different about Ballykinler?

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Johnnycool, this isn't about hurling or football. This is about convenience, and the potential for knock on effect for our county teams should players begin to feel inconvenienced.

If we are going to get the hurling men to board the ferry 3 nights a week (something which I'm not quite sure would happen as regularly as the county board would expect), then they're already inconvenienced. Driving to castlewellan at that point is no onerous task.

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That we used to train in ballykinler is a moot point. It was a guaranteed winter pitch from a club who rarely used it. It was the path of least resistance.

Once facilities appeared that were more suited to player logistics, it was left behind.

Players who work / live in Belfast and Dublin will not accept this change easily or gracefully.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 07, 2017, 09:17:06 AM
Can someone explain where the money for this is going to come from?

I dont agree with Ballykinlar being the best site for a facility like this and I also dont think there should ever be a halfway house or a short term solution for now.
Agreed with previous poster saying we should be waiting for the best available site and put absolutely everything into it.

Cant wait to see the spin the bull that will be peddled to sell this dream to the masses. Popcorn at the ready.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 07, 2017, 09:42:06 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 07, 2017, 09:12:38 AM
Here's the Centres of Excellence that we would be required to benchmark our facilities and success against.

Garvaghey. Positioned directly on the MAIN road between Tyrone's two largest towns, Omagh and Dungannon, and in close proximity to Ballygawley Roundabout, which connects the county to the rest of Ireland.

Cloghan. Positioned directly on the MAIN road that dissects Monaghan and offers easy access to Dublin based players, and close proximity to key population centres Castleblaney and Clontibret.

Darver: a 5 minute drive from the M1 that connects most of Louth, and offers easy access to Dublin based players. Close to key population centres Dundalk and Ardee.

Owenbeg: Positioned directly on the MAIN road that connects Derry City to its rural towns, and roughly half way between its key population bases of Magherafelt and Derry City.

Dunganny: Positioned a 5 min drive from the M3, providing direct access for Dublin based players, and a short drive from key population centres at Navan and Trim.

Can anyone spot what's different about Ballykinler?

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Johnnycool, this isn't about hurling or football. This is about convenience, and the potential for knock on effect for our county teams should players begin to feel inconvenienced.

If we are going to get the hurling men to board the ferry 3 nights a week (something which I'm not quite sure would happen as regularly as the county board would expect), then they're already inconvenienced. Driving to castlewellan at that point is no onerous task.

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That we used to train in ballykinler is a moot point. It was a guaranteed winter pitch from a club who rarely used it. It was the path of least resistance.

Once facilities appeared that were more suited to player logistics, it was left behind.

Players who work / live in Belfast and Dublin will not accept this change easily or gracefully.

I'd agree on the inconvienced side of things and Castlewellan would be the ideal location, but I wasn't aware there was a potential site available there.

Some of us are long enough in the tooth to have heard these fanciful plans for 30 odd years, from Derrylecka, St Malachys Castlewellan, heck, we've even had our own hurling centre of excellence in Kilclief before you even talk about Burrenbridge and the millstone that has become to take these things with a pinch of salt.

One thing has to be ensured is that no one, county executive, county committee or whoever is allowed to go on a solo run on this without total buy-in from the clubs as ultimately that's who's going to pay for it, just like Burrenbridge and the redevelopment of Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 07, 2017, 09:56:01 AM
You're absolutely right Johnny. No solo runs here.

In fairness the county board are going the right way about it by lining up the ducks before making the case to the clubs. But personally I'd prefer the clubs were consulted for initial feelings before committing to the cost of such a study. I can't promise you what any club would vote in this circumstance, not even my own. But more than a few will do what they can to block it... which is fence that should be jumped sooner rather than later.

By the way I'd expect that if a suitable plot was available in castlewellan the Board would already be investigating it. So it's not there now. But it's hardly the most developed part of the world; drive around there and all you'll see is green fields. Like Garvaghey was 15 years ago.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on August 07, 2017, 10:05:37 AM
According to Google maps it's a 7 minute drive from Clough. Road from Clough to Ballykinlar isn't the greatest but it's by no means the worst either. There are no issues with the road between Castlewellan and Clough.

This is a route that all east down based panelists must take when travelling to county training in Newry at the minute and I don't think I have seen any posters complaining about the location of county training in Newry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 07, 2017, 10:09:07 AM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on August 07, 2017, 10:05:37 AM
According to Google maps it's a 7 minute drive from Clough. Road from Clough to Ballykinlar isn't the greatest but it's by no means the worst either. There are no issues with the road between Castlewellan and Clough.

This is a route that all east down based panelists must take when travelling to county training in Newry at the minute and I don't think I have seen any posters complaining about the location of county training in Newry

Two wrongs don't make a right.

There are four main population bases in Down football, Belfast, Downpatrick, Kilkeel and Newry. The former is the most populous and the link between the latter two delivers the highest volume of clubs.

Pegging our training centre in proximity to the other one makes no sense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on August 07, 2017, 10:51:16 AM
For me this is a positive move although posters are right to ask questions and seek assurances. If more people had done that when the Burrenbridge fiasco was being steamrolled through we may be in a different place.

I think the greater Newry area posters must remember that our county ground is in your patch. We all put our hands in our pockets to pay for it. It's very handy for you while the rest of us have to travel for county and big club games. The argument about Dublin based players is a bit of a red herring- how many ? Two ?

It's the same distance from Belfast to Ballykinlar as it  is to Newry so the growing greater Belfast clubs are fine.
It's about the same for the Mourne clubs and a lot more convenient for greater Castlewellan and greater Downpatrick. It will be much handier for the Ards clubs and the surfaces are excellent for Hurling. So wobbler your arguments on location don't stack up.

If we get the right people in charge of the project- and from what I hear, they are- then it's an opportunity of a lifetime. The symbolism potential is not lost on any of us. Get de Valera's grandson up to open it and the wheel has turned full circle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 07, 2017, 11:33:45 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on August 07, 2017, 10:51:16 AM
For me this is a positive move although posters are right to ask questions and seek assurances. If more people had done that when the Burrenbridge fiasco was being steamrolled through we may be in a different place.

I think the greater Newry area posters must remember that our county ground is in your patch. We all put our hands in our pockets to pay for it. It's very handy for you while the rest of us have to travel for county and big club games. The argument about Dublin based players is a bit of a red herring- how many ? Two ?

It's the same distance from Belfast to Ballykinlar as it  is to Newry so the growing greater Belfast clubs are fine.
It's about the same for the Mourne clubs and a lot more convenient for greater Castlewellan and greater Downpatrick. It will be much handier for the Ards clubs and the surfaces are excellent for Hurling. So wobbler your arguments on location don't stack up.

If we get the right people in charge of the project- and from what I hear, they are- then it's an opportunity of a lifetime. The symbolism potential is not lost on any of us. Get de Valera's grandson up to open it and the wheel has turned full circle.

At no point have I suggested the Centre should be in Newry.

It's not an opportunity of a lifetime.

There are many, many positive angles obvious to Ballykinler. If you want to highlight and promote those,  I can't and won't disagree.

But stacked up against it is one overarching negative, its location. Ballykinler was strategically chosen as an army base due its inaccessibility. A single road in, a single road out. Nothing around it for miles.

Please do not try to suggest that it will somehow magically become accessible should Down GAA relocate to it. It does you no favours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 07, 2017, 05:27:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 07, 2017, 11:33:45 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on August 07, 2017, 10:51:16 AM
For me this is a positive move although posters are right to ask questions and seek assurances. If more people had done that when the Burrenbridge fiasco was being steamrolled through we may be in a different place.

I think the greater Newry area posters must remember that our county ground is in your patch. We all put our hands in our pockets to pay for it. It's very handy for you while the rest of us have to travel for county and big club games. The argument about Dublin based players is a bit of a red herring- how many ? Two ?

It's the same distance from Belfast to Ballykinlar as it  is to Newry so the growing greater Belfast clubs are fine.
It's about the same for the Mourne clubs and a lot more convenient for greater Castlewellan and greater Downpatrick. It will be much handier for the Ards clubs and the surfaces are excellent for Hurling. So wobbler your arguments on location don't stack up.

If we get the right people in charge of the project- and from what I hear, they are- then it's an opportunity of a lifetime. The symbolism potential is not lost on any of us. Get de Valera's grandson up to open it and the wheel has turned full circle.

At no point have I suggested the Centre should be in Newry.

It's not an opportunity of a lifetime.

There are many, many positive angles obvious to Ballykinler. If you want to highlight and promote those,  I can't and won't disagree.

But stacked up against it is one overarching negative, its location. Ballykinler was strategically chosen as an army base due its inaccessibility. A single road in, a single road out. Nothing around it for miles.

Please do not try to suggest that it will somehow magically become accessible should Down GAA relocate to it. It does you no favours.
Unless there is some current viable alternative-move on and support the thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2017, 10:13:52 PM
This has turned into a lively debate, with plenty of contributions from committed people who want to see the GAA prosper in Down and have different ideas about the best way to proceed. It is probably accepted by everyone that we need a centre of excellence and a number of locations have been suggested.

Funding and planning issues have yet to be finalised but there are pretty firm indications that both can be addressed, so the priorities are probably availability and accessibility.

Ballykinlar clearly is available and  it is reasonably accessible for our main football strongholds in the south of the county, for our hurlers on the Ards peninsula and for the other clubs with the greatest potential for growth which are Bredagh, Carryduff and St Paul's.

The village may have been regarded as off the beaten track when the barracks was built in 1901 but road traffic links have improved a fair bit since then.

Tyrone is an obvious comparison for us and it is a county with four main towns. Garvaghey is certainly convenient for Dungannon and Omagh, but the journey to both Cookstown and Strabane is around 30 miles or slightly further than the distance between Newry and Ballykinlar. If Tyrone players can comfortably manage those sort of trips, we should be able to do so as well.

The suggestion that we should wait and see if something better comes along is very similar to the arguments put forward against the former Castlewellan High School site when it was effectively offered to us at a knock-down price in the early 1990s. Nothing happened, and it was over a decade before the Burrenbridge scheme appeared and collapsed in well documented circumstances.

We have now waited for almost another decade for something else to turn up and we could left in the same position for a very long time to come unless we act decisively now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 07, 2017, 11:02:06 PM
MR what I guess you're trying to say is that when you've a big county and put something right in the middle of it then some people still face a long trip.

What I'm trying to say is that when you have a big county and stick something to one side of it, then the majority of people face a long trip.

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SamFever, "currently viable" isn't as important as getting it right. If we go ahead with Ballykinler, it'll be Down's home long after anyone here has left this earth. It just won't be practical to take this on without investing heavily in it, and once that's done, it's a lifer. As it's should be.

To be plain and bluntly honest about it, I believe that even if the county build the best facilities in the country, it wouldn't have the impact on Down football as building half the facility in the right location. You can tell me it's only a few miles from Clough til you're blue in the face. But its a bastard of a trip from newry, kilkeel or belfast on crap roads full of tractors and cyclists.

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Re one of the earlier posts about the 2-3 Dublin based players. That kind of forgets that both business people and tradespeople ply significant trade in Dublin or Belfast. Down footballers included.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2017, 11:35:30 PM
Fair enough Wobbler, you are fully entitled to disagree with those of us who believe that, for a number of reasons, Ballykinlar is our best option. Where do you feel we should put our centre of excellence instead ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on August 08, 2017, 02:54:09 PM
I think DownGAA is being proactive in informing clubs re this Ballykinlar opportunity.
Many of wobbler's points are valid and have to be taken into consideration, and alternative options put forward. However in the absence of any other COE options on the table , this Ballykinlar proposal should be at least explored .
However , I would question those that correlate COEs with success when there is little evidence to back it up.
The excellent owenbeg facility  has been operational for over 20 years and success hasn't followed .
Whilst Tyrone was more successful immediately before the Garvaghey era.
As long as we have the right mix of personnel involved in the decision making , taking all factors into account around facilities Development , we will optimise the results from that development of facilities.the challenge is deciding what best meets our future needs and resources, and then drive it forward.
Exciting times!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pascal Brennan on August 08, 2017, 03:20:42 PM
Are they talking about some land beside the current GAA facilities or part of the actual barracks which has swimming pools, gymnasiums, sports pitches etc already on site?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 09, 2017, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: Pascal Brennan on August 08, 2017, 03:20:42 PM
Are they talking about some land beside the current GAA facilities or part of the actual barracks which has swimming pools, gymnasiums, sports pitches etc already on site?

Right, asked a few questions about this to a man in the know.

The land (30 acres approx) has more or less been offered to Down CB initially on a 25 year lease on favourable terms, (which I thought was quite short) with a right to buy at agricultural rates. I get the impression that the British Army want shot of it and have heard that from other non GAA sources as well.
Based on the access issues that blighted Burrenbridge I was also told that Down CB seeked reassurances that this wouldn't be an issue with Ballykinlar and those were given but we'll no doubt hear more on that once a planning application is submitted.
They've also to buy 2 to 3 acres of a local farmer for ground running onto Ballykinlars current pitch at current agricultural rates again. You'd always be concerned about the old ransom strips.

I suppose all in it mightn't take too much of an outlay from Down CB / the clubs to get something resembling a centre of excellence up and running as its pretty flat ground anyway with a sandy base for good drainage. The initial aim is four full size pitches, floodlit I presume.

I think this was all made common knowledge to club delegates at the last CB meeting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 09, 2017, 10:00:27 AM
  I think we should build it somewhere between's Wobbler's gaff and mine. No more discussion please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lazer on August 09, 2017, 04:16:01 PM
Personally - I am not too bothered about the location, Obviously it is not perfect, but no location is going to be.

As someone who regularly drives to Ballykinlar, the road from Clough to Ballykinlar is fine when you get used to it.

From Belfast, it is reasonable to get to, either via Downpatrick or via Clough.

It's also a lot closer for the hurling folk in Portaferry area than other county pitches

Yes, Castlewellan is preferable, but we can't wait forever for the perfect site.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 10, 2017, 09:36:24 PM
Good win for the point tonight,Bryansford dominated most of the first half and only went in at h-t a point up, complete opposite in the second half where warrenpoint were the dominant team and ran out comfortable winners, well refereed ( have to praise them an odd time)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 10, 2017, 11:11:18 PM
Thought the score line flattered the Point slightly as the Ford missed some good goal chances.C Maginn and mc Kibben were well marshalled by R Magee and C Mc  Cartan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 12, 2017, 03:41:32 PM
What time is the big meeting taking place at tomorrow?
The town and country know about it at this stage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 12, 2017, 04:01:21 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 12, 2017, 03:41:32 PM
What time is the big meeting taking place at tomorrow?
The town and country know about it at this stage

Elaborate???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 12, 2017, 04:57:21 PM
It's the talk of the county
You need to get out a bit more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on August 12, 2017, 04:58:57 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 12, 2017, 04:57:21 PM
It's the talk of the county
You need to get out a bit more

If you knew that much you'd know what time it was on at
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 12, 2017, 05:01:01 PM
Who said I knew that much?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 14, 2017, 10:41:12 AM
Championship R1 weekend has become both a non event and unnecessarily unfair on players with both a) the timings of matches, and b) the potential for a 5 day turnaround for the next championship match.

I'd like to make a recommendation for Down club football.

Either:

1. Go back to straight knockout championships.

Or

2. Play all of the round 1 matches as double headers simultaneously on a Sunday at 2pm then 4pm. Then likewise the following weekend for R2. Once we are down to 8 teams, spread them out over a weekend again so everyone can attend all matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 14, 2017, 11:46:24 AM
farcical situation a match going on to 10pm on a Sunday night, why couldn't they have been played at 5pm and 7pm? No atmosphere whatsoever, a non event as described above.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 14, 2017, 12:39:59 PM
It's hard to read into any of the games this weekend. It's still Kilcoos to lose but there are 4/5 that could mount serious challenges in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 14, 2017, 01:32:31 PM
I think we all know the championship doesn't really start until the quarterfinals, the early rounds are lacking intensity or even interest from spectators, last nights game being a prime example, do you think we should go back to the old way, lose and you're out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 14, 2017, 02:05:23 PM
Quote from: Targetman on August 14, 2017, 01:32:31 PM
I think we all know the championship doesn't really start until the quarterfinals, the early rounds are lacking intensity or even interest from spectators, last nights game being a prime example, do you think we should go back to the old way, lose and you're out?

Now we've dabbled in it for a few years, surely the only clubs that would be hellbent on retaining a back door would be the top 3-4 sides in the county?

Championship football really has to be cruel to be entertaining.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on August 14, 2017, 02:43:32 PM
Completely agree. Knockout far more intense and enjoyable for spectators. Unfortunately here to stay though as Co Board are not going to be willing to forfeit a revenue stream.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 14, 2017, 02:52:25 PM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on August 14, 2017, 02:43:32 PM
Completely agree. Knockout far more intense and enjoyable for spectators. Unfortunately here to stay though as Co Board are not going to be willing to forfeit a revenue stream.



If the clubs motion it and approve it, then it's the county board's role to apply it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on August 14, 2017, 04:57:25 PM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on August 14, 2017, 02:43:32 PM
Completely agree. Knockout far more intense and enjoyable for spectators. Unfortunately here to stay though as Co Board are not going to be willing to forfeit a revenue stream.

As I understand it , the only reason for spreading the games over the weekend is logistically it would be impossible to service each game with officials , if they were squeezed in to 2 days.
A quick calculation shows that a knockout system provides 15 fixtures in the SFC, whereas the current structure provides 27 fixtures. That's 12 extra fixtures to provide the enjoyment and exposure to championship football for players and spectators in every club. The removal of league playoffs( which in my view is unfair under the current starred system) has already taken away some marquee fixtures.
Our special championship fixture occasions over recent years, have contributed to unearthing valuable Intercounty players e.g. Connaire Harrison, Shea Millar, etc. My club was beaten in the championship yesterday but at least our players and spectators have another day out, which undoubtedly serves to elongate interest among players and supporters in all clubs. This is vital for games promotion in clubs. This system has been in place for a number of years, and the second chance structure has in no way demeaned or lessened the intensity of the business end of the season. I am sure many of those present last night , for example, will still enjoying the final stages in the autumn.
I genuinely think that financial gain was not top of the  agenda when this structure was formulated  . However, those that criticise the county board for financial mismanagement, can hardly criticise that same county board for generating income from paying supporters who are sufficiently interested in our championships , to put their hands in their pockets.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 14, 2017, 05:50:27 PM
All fair points 6th Sam.

But there's little reason why the format for the first two weekends couldn't be streamlined. I take your point about County Board officials, but if you play games in places with one entry point like Hilltown, Drumgath, Downpatrick, St Johns, then they only need couple of officials at a match; one in the gate, one on the sideline. Rest of it  can be handled by club volunteers.

I'd suggest:

Saturday: 4 venues spread across the county. Each with an IFC game @ 2pm and an SFC game at 4pm.
Sunday: 4 venues spread across the county. Each with an IFC game @ 2pm and an SFC game at 4pm.

With some effort made to ensure that the host clubs on Saturday get a Sunday fixture, and vice versa.


All done in two days. More importantly clubs and players can plan ahead knowing it'll be a weekend fixture they don't have to take time off work for, and with at least 6 days rest. Plus families who go to Matches wouldn't have to keep their wains up to 10pm+
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on August 14, 2017, 05:58:27 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 14, 2017, 05:50:27 PM
All fair points 6th Sam.

But there's little reason why the format for the first two weekends couldn't be streamlined. I take your point about County Board officials, but if you play games in places with one entry point like Hilltown, Drumgath, Downpatrick, St Johns, then they only a couple of officials at a match. Rest of it  can be handled by club volunteers.

I'd suggest:

Saturday: 4 venues spread across the county. Each with an IFC game @ 2pm and an SFC game at 4pm.
Sunday: 4 venues spread across the county. Each with an IFC game @ 2pm and an SFC game at 4pm.

With some effort made to ensure that the host clubs on Saturday get a Sunday fixture, and vice versa.


All done in two days. More importantly clubs and players can plan ahead knowing it'll be a weekend fixture they don't have to take time off work for, and with at least 6 days rest. Plus families who go to Matches wouldn't have to keep their wains up to 10pm+

Totally agree, if it's workable , it's more user friendly to have them all Saturday /Sunday /+/- Friday night...not least shift workers who might find it difficult to get off on a Thursday  or Monday at short notice.
Just to clarify, When I referred to officials I meant match officials. However, I know  existing the Thursday-Monday commitment for referees is a nightmare anyway . Back to back matches over shorter timeframe with match officials doubling up ( though changing roles ) , would probably be best.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 14, 2017, 08:12:04 PM
On Ballykinlar.

The general road network in Down is shite. The one good road (A1) runs down the side of the county and is of no use to the vast majority of players.

Its not like Tyrone with the motorway/dual carriageway. Its not like Dublin with roads galore. I'm not even sure we should be looking to simply copy them - I'm very unconvinced it'll work.


What is the purpose of a "centre of excellence"?

Is it for the county senior team to work on handling/kicking a ball, or is it to work on fitness or is it both? Or what about underage/club teams to benefit from general sports science? If its county team fitness and general youth development, why bother dragging everyone to one location? Is a single centre the way to go at all? Would there be more joy out of building two gyms (say at Hilltown and Downpatrick) and getting on with it that way? [With the squad of folks "managing" county teams these days, surely splitting up the group for half the weekly sessions isn't the logistic nightmare it once would have been.]

Anyway, assuming a single centre is what the masses desire...

The geographical centre of the county would be somewhere around Slieve Croob.
The centre of where we draw most of current players would likely be around Hilltown.
The best long term single location would be Castlewellan (with apologies to those from St. Pauls, Carryduff and Bredagh that make the county panel now and in the future!).
If you wanted to compromise out the latter two, then would it not be worth looking at the land around Owen Roe Park? There is a rake of land to the right of the lane down to the existing Kilcoo pitches. OK, not the flattest in the world, but two and half pitches have already been built on similar ground.


Still, not convinced any of the above would work. Really, IMO, the county needs a dual carriageway running from Newry, through Castlewellan to Downpatrick and up to Belfast. Will never happen with the clowns (not) on the (Stormont) Hill though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 14, 2017, 10:37:59 PM
Can't see the co.boards finances stretching to supplying a motorway network leading to ballykinlar!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 14, 2017, 11:07:38 PM
Quote from: Targetman on August 14, 2017, 10:37:59 PM
Can't see the co.boards finances stretching to supplying a motorway network leading to ballykinlar!!

I know, I'm just pointing out that a major difficulty in our county is the generally poor road links. Something which is completely outside the county board's control. So we shouldn't be drawing direct comparisons to Tyrone or to Dublin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 14, 2017, 11:20:19 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 14, 2017, 11:07:38 PM
Quote from: Targetman on August 14, 2017, 10:37:59 PM
Can't see the co.boards finances stretching to supplying a motorway network leading to ballykinlar!!

I know, I'm just pointing out that a major difficulty in our county is the generally poor road links. Something which is completely outside the county board's control. So we shouldn't be drawing direct comparisons to Tyrone or to Dublin.

This is true. So we probably should be looking at one main centre and at least one geographically polar smaller centre as part of this 20:20 vision. I'm softening on BallyK now as to be honest anywhere in the middle of the county is a pain in the hole for just about everyone too. But the thought of South Down u14 and u16 development squads driving up there all year round makes me worried. A young lad from Newry might as well play soccer for a belfast Irish league time once those miles are added up.

---

Some very cruel midweek start times again this week in the Down football championships. Carryduff's players being asked to take half days twice in the one week. Why Bryansford's match and Rostrevor's match have to be a double bull on a Thursday night is beyond me. Bad enough Thu night, so why not two 7.30 throws ins at different grounds?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 15, 2017, 12:01:37 AM
No scoreboard in Hilltown tonight; at £8 in ridiculous. Didn't matter much in 2nd match, but first match was close
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on August 15, 2017, 01:31:29 AM
Any word on the Junior Championship draw? I've looked on the website for fixtures etc but can't find them anywhere?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 15, 2017, 08:42:02 PM
County board have decided not to bother with JFC this year. Only a hindrance for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on August 16, 2017, 01:13:55 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on August 15, 2017, 08:42:02 PM
County board have decided not to bother with JFC this year. Only a hindrance for them.
It has appeared that way for the past few years anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 16, 2017, 10:19:34 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 14, 2017, 11:20:19 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 14, 2017, 11:07:38 PM
Quote from: Targetman on August 14, 2017, 10:37:59 PM
Can't see the co.boards finances stretching to supplying a motorway network leading to ballykinlar!!

I know, I'm just pointing out that a major difficulty in our county is the generally poor road links. Something which is completely outside the county board's control. So we shouldn't be drawing direct comparisons to Tyrone or to Dublin.

This is true. So we probably should be looking at one main centre and at least one geographically polar smaller centre as part of this 20:20 vision. I'm softening on BallyK now as to be honest anywhere in the middle of the county is a pain in the hole for just about everyone too. But the thought of South Down u14 and u16 development squads driving up there all year round makes me worried. A young lad from Newry might as well play soccer for a belfast Irish league time once those miles are added up.

---

Some very cruel midweek start times again this week in the Down football championships. Carryduff's players being asked to take half days twice in the one week. Why Bryansford's match and Rostrevor's match have to be a double bull on a Thursday night is beyond me. Bad enough Thu night, so why not two 7.30 throws ins at different grounds?
You're letting yourself down here with your thoughts on South Down Development squads issues.There is no SD U14 Dev squad this year as it is all-County and there never was a SD U16 Dev squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on August 16, 2017, 05:34:50 PM
Surely you have enough of those medals lying around the house minus  😜
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on August 16, 2017, 05:40:00 PM
You can never have enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 16, 2017, 06:43:51 PM
Quote from: wobbller on August 16, 2017, 10:19:34 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 14, 2017, 11:20:19 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 14, 2017, 11:07:38 PM
Quote from: Targetman on August 14, 2017, 10:37:59 PM
Can't see the co.boards finances stretching to supplying a motorway network leading to ballykinlar!!

I know, I'm just pointing out that a major difficulty in our county is the generally poor road links. Something which is completely outside the county board's control. So we shouldn't be drawing direct comparisons to Tyrone or to Dublin.

This is true. So we probably should be looking at one main centre and at least one geographically polar smaller centre as part of this 20:20 vision. I'm softening on BallyK now as to be honest anywhere in the middle of the county is a pain in the hole for just about everyone too. But the thought of South Down u14 and u16 development squads driving up there all year round makes me worried. A young lad from Newry might as well play soccer for a belfast Irish league time once those miles are added up.

---

Some very cruel midweek start times again this week in the Down football championships. Carryduff's players being asked to take half days twice in the one week. Why Bryansford's match and Rostrevor's match have to be a double bull on a Thursday night is beyond me. Bad enough Thu night, so why not two 7.30 throws ins at different grounds?
You're letting yourself down here with your thoughts on South Down Development squads issues.There is no SD U14 Dev squad this year as it is all-County and there never was a SD U16 Dev squad.

Well pardon my ignorance.

You could just address the underlying point that committing any youngster from South Down / Belfast to trekking an hour every time there's a training session, might not work to the county's advantage.

If we build BallyK it'll almost certainly come with a remit that save for exceptional circumstances, all training at all levels in all codes takes place there. Which I suppose if I was in charge I'd try to apply as well. But as an approach there's some of it Peter and some of it Paul. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on August 16, 2017, 07:42:41 PM
Sure it's not much further for the belfast lads than travelling to newry.i'd concede its maybe not the best location.but it's been used by county teams in days gone by and was never an issue.it might even give football in the surrounding area a boost,which would be no bad thing,plus its a better location for the hurlers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on August 16, 2017, 09:51:44 PM
Sure build it in Newry, incase their players run off to play Irish league soccer. Never mind east down players who might (already) do the same. Think this argument on location has ran its course. Just be happy that the county board are being proactive in trying to build the thing!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 16, 2017, 11:51:25 PM
Quote from: qubdub on August 16, 2017, 09:51:44 PM
Sure build it in Newry, incase their players run off to play Irish league soccer. Never mind east down players who might (already) do the same. Think this argument on location has ran its course. Just be happy that the county board are being proactive in trying to build the thing!

It's only run its course if you believe two wrongs make a right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 17, 2017, 02:56:53 PM
Anyone odds on the Burren v Brudge game ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 17, 2017, 05:55:16 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 17, 2017, 02:56:53 PM
Anyone odds on the Burren v Brudge game ??
burren 2/5  mayobridge 9/4  draw 9/1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 17, 2017, 11:57:24 PM
Some result for Liatroim tonight.What is going on with Rostrevor?
Lost to Drumeness earlier in the year and now this?Thought they would have strolled through that intermediate championship.Although they still might
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 18, 2017, 11:59:33 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 17, 2017, 05:55:16 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 17, 2017, 02:56:53 PM
Anyone odds on the Burren v Brudge game ??
burren 2/5  mayobridge 9/4  draw 9/1


Buying money ☺️
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 18, 2017, 01:29:38 PM
What bookies are giving these odds, I fancy buying some money!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 19, 2017, 03:07:37 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 17, 2017, 11:57:24 PM
Some result for Liatroim tonight.What is going on with Rostrevor?
Lost to Drumeness earlier in the year and now this?Thought they would have strolled through that intermediate championship.Although they still might
Bizarre management decisions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 19, 2017, 08:44:42 AM
Hardly the managers fault.
I did not see any strange decisions from him?Coukd you are to share?
Easy comment to make just because he is a high profile manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 19, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
High profile you say.
Really.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 19, 2017, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 19, 2017, 08:44:42 AM
Hardly the managers fault.
I did not see any strange decisions from him?Coukd you are to share?
Easy comment to make just because he is a high profile manager

That would involve naming players, which I won't do
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on August 19, 2017, 05:54:21 PM
CPN & RGU ended in a draw after extra time. Could have gone either way. Mcaleenan and Mallon black carded last minute of normal time. RGU then score a goal in last minute to level matters and the 2 players who were black carded could not feature in extra time. So happy with draw in the end
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: UlsterMan2 on August 20, 2017, 01:08:30 AM
Went to newry tonight saval put up an embarrassing performance against the town, longstone should have won the game in normal time, but lost their way in extra time, but was disgusted by clonduff official who ran up to umpire and got Michael Ireland sent off for shaking a defender off who was holding him, total disgrace, county should be embarrassed by this
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 20, 2017, 11:52:04 AM
Sure you don't have to name names?Are you blaming the manager on the defeat?Maybe need to look at some players 1 of whom went on holidays and only landed home Thursday
Clownjim where can I buy this money?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 20, 2017, 01:56:45 PM
Hugo will be paying out on Tuesday morning 😉 The stone threw that game away last night, the yellas need a big improvement
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 20, 2017, 02:00:46 PM
Is it fair making Rgu and CPN play again on Wednesday??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 20, 2017, 02:03:50 PM
Why would it not be fair clownjim?
4 days is loads of time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 20, 2017, 02:24:04 PM
You must have played a lot of football  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 20, 2017, 09:24:57 PM
When is the next round of games due?? Next weekend again?? Is that what's causing the rush?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 20, 2017, 09:29:53 PM
But what's wrong with 4 days clownjim?
Can you not answer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 20, 2017, 11:02:56 PM
If you had played st the top level you would know. Senior champ
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 20, 2017, 11:16:03 PM
Why can you not answer??
4 days is plenty of time
What's the big problem??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on August 21, 2017, 02:09:18 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 20, 2017, 11:16:03 PM
Why can you not answer??
4 days is plenty of time
What's the big problem??

Day after a championship match is a bit of a write off, back into training on the second day, then rest day and straight into the match? 6 days should be the minimum for a replay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 21, 2017, 05:04:49 AM
Saturday game
Sunday rest/recover
Monday train
Tuesday rest
Wednesday replay

What's wrong with that?
If the game was a Friday well they would train the Wednesday anyway
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 21, 2017, 07:42:18 AM
After a game and extra time on Saturday, today would still a rest day. If the teams meet tonight it would be for a stretch and video analysis. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 21, 2017, 07:51:15 AM
Tbh I've no issue with a replay being shunted in midweek. The championship can't be put on hold for a full week while that match is resolved; indeed if it wasn't played midweek and another draw came to pass, then the latter stages of the championship would be at risk of midweek games.

But as to why we are playing scheduled championship matches at 6.45pm and 8.15pm midweek, well that just demeans the competition. If we want our players at their best for championship action, then the times have to be friendlier i.e. Not when they should be at work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 21, 2017, 08:10:44 AM
Right so the teams stretch and watch a video tonight that's fine so why can't they play Wednesday night then?Are they gonna stretch again?You stil have not answered as to why it's unfair to ask them to play a game a full 4 days later?

Agree with wobbler on the timing.Lads who work in Belfast/Dublin would likely have to take a half day for an early start.Very unfair to ask that if any player especially after all the training that the club lads would put into it.

Wobbler you talk a lot of sense
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Real_Gael on August 21, 2017, 09:41:50 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 21, 2017, 07:51:15 AM
Tbh I've no issue with a replay being shunted in midweek. The championship can't be put on hold for a full week while that match is resolved; indeed if it wasn't played midweek and another draw came to pass, then the latter stages of the championship would be at risk of midweek games.

But as to why we are playing scheduled championship matches at 6.45pm and 8.15pm midweek, well that just demeans the competition. If we want our players at their best for championship action, then the times have to be friendlier i.e. Not when they should be at work.

Agreed wobbler. Putting games on Thursday and Monday nights at 6.45pm is just not practical at all, particularly if some of your players are working outside the county. If them lads want to play, they are going to miss a half/full days pay.

RE the 4 day turn around, I personally think this is plenty of time, neither team will be training hard to tonight but more so recovery and a bit of analysis work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 21, 2017, 04:10:24 PM
Quote from: Real_Gael on August 21, 2017, 09:41:50 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 21, 2017, 07:51:15 AM
Tbh I've no issue with a replay being shunted in midweek. The championship can't be put on hold for a full week while that match is resolved; indeed if it wasn't played midweek and another draw came to pass, then the latter stages of the championship would be at risk of midweek games.

But as to why we are playing scheduled championship matches at 6.45pm and 8.15pm midweek, well that just demeans the competition. If we want our players at their best for championship action, then the times have to be friendlier i.e. Not when they should be at work.

Agreed wobbler. Putting games on Thursday and Monday nights at 6.45pm is just not practical at all, particularly if some of your players are working outside the county. If them lads want to play, they are going to miss a half/full days pay.

RE the 4 day turn around, I personally think this is plenty of time, neither team will be training hard to tonight but more so recovery and a bit of analysis work.
But its OK to ask them to play a replay @ 7pm on a Wednesday!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on August 21, 2017, 05:40:38 PM
The 4 day turnaround is not a disaster as it is the same for both teams.

But would I not be right in saying that it is actually a 4 day turn around followed by another 4 day turn around immediately?

The winners will be expected to play the following weekend won't they in a quarter final?

If so then three matches in a week is a bit unfair on players who are not training for such output. It imbalances the quarter final a bit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 21, 2017, 08:02:02 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on August 21, 2017, 05:40:38 PM
The 4 day turnaround is not a disaster as it is the same for both teams.

But would I not be right in saying that it is actually a 4 day turn around followed by another 4 day turn around immediately?

The winners will be expected to play the following weekend won't they in a quarter final?

If so then three matches in a week is a bit unfair on players who are not training for such output. It imbalances the quarter final a bit.

Agreed. But it's the very reason why so many sports have found ways to got rid of replays. There's no equitable solution, and in the grander scheme of things it's probably fairer to "punish" the team that needs the replay, than hold up the rest of the competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 21, 2017, 09:19:34 PM
Hope yous got some of that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 24, 2017, 04:15:58 PM
Good display from Downpatrick, easy victory built around the 2 Turleys dominating the middle. As bad as I have seen CPN play in a while.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 24, 2017, 05:36:02 PM
Unusual match; Wpt seemed to cruising at 6-1 up, then 15 min in Downpatrick suddenly unleashed a scoring blitztand by half-time, led 14-6; almost all from play and including a missed (pointed )penalty. Their accuracy was most impressive
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 26, 2017, 02:06:47 PM
Anybody at the stone/kingdom match last night. Good win for longstone, if they had played like that all year they maybe wouldn't find themselves in the position they do. Ryan kelly,  michael ireland and mark poland were a handful all night. Marty clarke was back in action for the kingdom.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 28, 2017, 03:17:28 PM
Any reports from the game last night? Clonduff must have been poor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 28, 2017, 04:58:27 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 28, 2017, 03:17:28 PM
Any reports from the game last night? Clonduff must have been poor
Could mayobridge maybe played well!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 28, 2017, 11:06:51 PM
Quote from: elk on August 28, 2017, 04:58:27 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 28, 2017, 03:17:28 PM
Any reports from the game last night? Clonduff must have been poor
Could mayobridge maybe played well!!!!
Possibly but they'll have to play a lot better next time, Burren again in the quarterfinals!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 28, 2017, 11:34:31 PM
Kilcoo and Burren the only contenders in the senior championship
Rostrevor if they can get themselves right should walk intermediate
Dundrum for the junior
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 29, 2017, 09:36:14 AM
Down SHC is now in a round robin structure to decide who plays in the final.

To date we've had two games both in a draw at the end of normal time. The first time this happened no one from the CB or the two clubs seemed sure as to what was meant to happen, but extra time was agreed (initially) by the CB officials there and both clubs. We ended up winning both in extra time and are now in the final.
The other two clubs now complete the round robin section with what is now a knock out game in two weeks time to decide who plays us.

Fair play to the CB or whoever came up with it as it's been a breath of fresh air with keenly contested games but with a lifeline if you do lose a game, not to mention pretty good crowds and atmosphere with the CB now picking up four gates as opposed to the normal two.

Next stage for this to progress is to get a few amalgamations to add to the mix a spread senior hurling into other areas of the county.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on August 29, 2017, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 29, 2017, 09:36:14 AM
Down SHC is now in a round robin structure to decide who plays in the final.

To date we've had two games both in a draw at the end of normal time. The first time this happened no one from the CB or the two clubs seemed sure as to what was meant to happen, but extra time was agreed (initially) by the CB officials there and both clubs. We ended up winning both in extra time and are now in the final.
The other two clubs now complete the round robin section with what is now a knock out game in two weeks time to decide who plays us.

Fair play to the CB or whoever came up with it as it's been a breath of fresh air with keenly contested games but with a lifeline if you do lose a game, not to mention pretty good crowds and atmosphere with the CB now picking up four gates as opposed to the normal two.

Next stage for this to progress is to get a few amalgamations to add to the mix a spread senior hurling into other areas of the county.

Yes JC seems to have been a roaring success so far.
Regarding amalgamations etc to increase teams in Down SHC,  would
Liatroim and Bredagh be far off SHC over the next couple of years? And would a South Down All stars team be possible to give some of the outstanding Hurlers in eg clonduff , Cpn, newry , Ballela , ballyvarley a crack at SHC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on August 29, 2017, 04:30:11 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on August 29, 2017, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 29, 2017, 09:36:14 AM
Down SHC is now in a round robin structure to decide who plays in the final.

To date we've had two games both in a draw at the end of normal time. The first time this happened no one from the CB or the two clubs seemed sure as to what was meant to happen, but extra time was agreed (initially) by the CB officials there and both clubs. We ended up winning both in extra time and are now in the final.
The other two clubs now complete the round robin section with what is now a knock out game in two weeks time to decide who plays us.

Fair play to the CB or whoever came up with it as it's been a breath of fresh air with keenly contested games but with a lifeline if you do lose a game, not to mention pretty good crowds and atmosphere with the CB now picking up four gates as opposed to the normal two.

Next stage for this to progress is to get a few amalgamations to add to the mix a spread senior hurling into other areas of the county.

Yes JC seems to have been a roaring success so far.
Regarding amalgamations etc to increase teams in Down SHC,  would
Liatroim and Bredagh be far off SHC over the next couple of years? And would a South Down All stars team be possible to give some of the outstanding Hurlers in eg clonduff , Cpn, newry , Ballela , ballyvarley a crack at SHC?

Liatroim and Bredagh as standalone teams would be a good bit off senior hurling as can be seen by Bredagh's showings in the Antrim leagues. Liatroim aren't much better if at all even though they've been there and there abouts at minor for a few years. Serious lack of league hurling by Liatroim this year.
IMO there'd need to be a North Down/South Belfast amalgamation of Bredagh and Carryduff with maybe Ballyvarley thrown in for good measure with a South Down selection of Newry/Point/Clonduff as well as possibly Liatroim/Castlewellan and Ballela who'd be strong enough to compete and then build from there.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 29, 2017, 05:26:00 PM
You beat a team by 15 yet have to play them again. This is a farce. Championship should be knockout.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 29, 2017, 05:35:07 PM
100% agree clownjim.Back to knockout the only way
You guys do normally be flying in the first part then Kilcoo batter yous in the knockout stages when it really matters.Kilcoo are glad it ain't a knockout.
Clownjim what is it with the fear yous have of Kilcoo?Genuine question
Burren v Kilcoo semi final what is the odds
RGU v Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 29, 2017, 07:58:15 PM
Castlewellan must be making the draws
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 29, 2017, 08:23:07 PM
Clownjim can you not answer what all is folk want to know?
Why do Burren crumble when they meet the magpies?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 29, 2017, 10:20:28 PM
Why do the magpies crumble in Ulster??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 29, 2017, 10:35:38 PM
Clownjim what age are you?
That's something a 12 year old would reply with.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on August 29, 2017, 10:47:42 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 29, 2017, 10:35:38 PM
Clownjim what age are you?
That's something a 12 year old would reply with.

Can you call him by his proper username then? If you're going to pull out the childish card, you can't be at it yourself. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2017, 09:28:05 AM
Fair enough
I see today in the Irish News a full clear out of Eamon Burns backroom team with a high profile number 2 set to join.Murray did not last long
Thought??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 30, 2017, 05:26:58 PM
It didn't say Murray was going, did it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2017, 05:34:35 PM
Well Eamon is hardly looking Tally or Gallagher in to hold his hand
They are on the look out for a new coach going by today's Irish News
Doesn't look good on Murrays end when they want someone else  to coach the team
That's more or less telling the man his coaching was poor
Murray is not that stupid
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on August 30, 2017, 05:57:43 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2017, 05:34:35 PM
Well Eamon is hardly looking Tally or Gallagher in to hold his hand
They are on the look out for a new coach going by today's Irish News
Doesn't look good on Murrays end when they want someone else  to coach the team
That's more or less telling the man his coaching was poor
Murray is not that stupid
Was there not a third option mentioned along with Gallagher or Tally. He would surely get the fans flocking back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 30, 2017, 06:28:58 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2017, 05:34:35 PM
Well Eamon is hardly looking Tally or Gallagher in to hold his hand
They are on the look out for a new coach going by today's Irish News
Doesn't look good on Murrays end when they want someone else  to coach the team
That's more or less telling the man his coaching was poor
Murray is not that stupid
I think you'll see the Irish news makes reference to Eamon Burns and Cahal Murray having company at the mourne helm next season!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2017, 09:43:17 PM
So if Paddy Tally comes in to train the team what is Cathal Murrays role?Collect the cones?
I don't think CM is the stupid to except that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 31, 2017, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: Samforever on August 30, 2017, 05:57:43 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2017, 05:34:35 PM
Well Eamon is hardly looking Tally or Gallagher in to hold his hand
They are on the look out for a new coach going by today's Irish News
Doesn't look good on Murrays end when they want someone else  to coach the team
That's more or less telling the man his coaching was poor
Murray is not that stupid
Was there not a third option mentioned along with Gallagher or Tally. He would surely get the fans flocking back.
It's a bit like the Harry Potter films - people are afraid to mention his name in case its real !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 31, 2017, 07:51:13 PM
Who is the 3rd option??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on August 31, 2017, 09:03:14 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on August 31, 2017, 07:51:13 PM
Who is the 3rd option??

Yer man from Translink
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 31, 2017, 09:05:10 PM
Poacher has shown this year he is not to be laughed at
It's only a matter of time before he gets in the hot seat
You can't doubt his record
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on August 31, 2017, 09:19:56 PM
Record? Appalling style of football and shocking behaviour on the line . Don't think so
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 31, 2017, 09:36:39 PM
Doing a good job with Ballyholland and has Carlow flying for the first time in years
It's only a matter of time until he is with Down weather you like it or not
Is there a better coach in Down football?I don't believe so
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 31, 2017, 10:07:02 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 31, 2017, 09:36:39 PM
Doing a good job with Ballyholland and has Carlow flying for the first time in years
It's only a matter of time until he is with Down weather you like it or not
Is there a better coach in Down football?I don't believe so

Eamonn Rooney??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on August 31, 2017, 10:13:59 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 31, 2017, 10:07:02 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 31, 2017, 09:36:39 PM
Doing a good job with Ballyholland and has Carlow flying for the first time in years
It's only a matter of time until he is with Down weather you like it or not
Is there a better coach in Down football?I don't believe so

Eamonn Rooney??

At least Eamon's buses go forward
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 31, 2017, 10:16:24 PM
☝️👌👌👌
Brilliant
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on September 04, 2017, 11:26:08 AM
RGU v Ballyholland was an awful game. certainly not football. playing to avoid defeat as opposed of trying to win the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 04, 2017, 02:17:32 PM
It was a poor game alright.Some difference in Friday nights have compared to saturdays
I expect tonight's match to be on power with Burren/Bridge game
Easily the best game of this years championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 04, 2017, 03:37:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 04, 2017, 02:17:32 PM
It was a poor game alright.Some difference in Friday nights have compared to saturdays
I expect tonight's match to be on power with Burren/Bridge game
Easily the best game of this years championship

Obviously there wasn't too many at the Glenn v Loughinisland match.. it was that fast paced that you couldn't even see 🤣
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 04, 2017, 09:37:42 PM
Bryansford have to be the most frustrating team in Down.They hammer both An Riocht and Saval out the gate only for Kilcoo to hammer them.A team of great players who always promised so much but failed to deliver in the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 04, 2017, 09:53:48 PM
SFC semi final; castlewellan v burren, kilcoo v rgu/bholland

IFC rostrevor v leitrim, annaclone v drumaness

Missed JFC draw sorry  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 04, 2017, 10:08:11 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 04, 2017, 09:37:42 PM
Bryansford have to be the most frustrating team in Down.They hammer both An Riocht and Saval out the gate only for Kilcoo to hammer them.A team of great players who always promised so much but failed to deliver in the championship.
A team of great players I don't think so, it's the same players that consistently fail come championship every year, great players together win championships i.e. Kilcoo!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on September 04, 2017, 10:11:18 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 04, 2017, 09:53:48 PM
SFC semi final; castlewellan v burren, kilcoo v rgu/bholland

IFC rostrevor v leitrim, annaclone v drumaness

Missed JFC draw sorry  :-\

JFC

Dromara v Bright/Ardglass
Dundrum v Kilclief
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 04, 2017, 10:22:59 PM
They have great players in maginn mckibbon savage bonny downey toner Reid to name a few
A team with those players should be doing better than what they do.
Will hammer poor teams but crumble against the big boys
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 05, 2017, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 29, 2017, 09:36:14 AM
Down SHC is now in a round robin structure to decide who plays in the final.

To date we've had two games both in a draw at the end of normal time. The first time this happened no one from the CB or the two clubs seemed sure as to what was meant to happen, but extra time was agreed (initially) by the CB officials there and both clubs. We ended up winning both in extra time and are now in the final.
The other two clubs now complete the round robin section with what is now a knock out game in two weeks time to decide who plays us.

Fair play to the CB or whoever came up with it as it's been a breath of fresh air with keenly contested games but with a lifeline if you do lose a game, not to mention pretty good crowds and atmosphere with the CB now picking up four gates as opposed to the normal two.

Next stage for this to progress is to get a few amalgamations to add to the mix a spread senior hurling into other areas of the county.

It's all got a bit messy it seems....

Ballycran have objected to the extra time saying that the rules of the championship are for a round robin and that the draw should have stood, Down CCC have initially rejected that and its went to Ulster, who've asked Down to look at it again. Down have allegedly looked at it again and aren't for changing their minds. Ballycran have taken it back to Ulster  who're to pass judgement on Thursday evening.

Down CB have never published the rules of the way the senior championship were to be run that's true, but it was asked at a few CB meetings as to what would happen in the event of a draw and the county secretary made it clear that extra time was to be played as a winner was needed to be known, something he reiterated over the phone to the Ballycran county delegate, their secretary and our secretary (who is also our county delegate) in the middle of Portaferry's pitch when the normal time outcome was a draw.

My issue is that if they felt so strongly about it, why did they not take their players off the pitch and not partake in the extra time?
This could all go pete tong if its not sorted out to the satisfaction of everyone...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on September 05, 2017, 10:16:44 AM
Quote from: umpire on September 04, 2017, 10:11:18 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 04, 2017, 09:53:48 PM
SFC semi final; castlewellan v burren, kilcoo v rgu/bholland

IFC rostrevor v leitrim, annaclone v drumaness

Missed JFC draw sorry  :-\

JFC

Dromara v Bright/Ardglass
Dundrum v Kilclief

:-\ bright won this one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: nmsmithy96 on September 05, 2017, 12:28:06 PM
Can anyone explain how relegation from the SFC works?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 05, 2017, 02:58:10 PM
Quote from: nmsmithy96 on September 05, 2017, 12:28:06 PM
Can anyone explain how relegation from the SFC works?

Top 15 teams based on league standings from 2017, plus the winners of Intermediate Championship for 2017 go into Senior Championship in 2018.  Simples.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 05, 2017, 04:01:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 04, 2017, 10:22:59 PM
They have great players in maginn mckibbon savage bonny downey toner Reid to name a few
A team with those players should be doing better than what they do.
Will hammer poor teams but crumble against the big boys
Sure CPN beat them with all these great players playing and the look what happened to them against Loughisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 05, 2017, 04:53:16 PM
They should have been 7/8 points up at HT
I just think for the players they have that they have badly underachieved in championship football this past 10 years
Some great teams but can never produce the goods when it really matters
An underachieving club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 05, 2017, 10:30:42 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 05, 2017, 10:16:44 AM
Quote from: umpire on September 04, 2017, 10:11:18 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 04, 2017, 09:53:48 PM
SFC semi final; castlewellan v burren, kilcoo v rgu/bholland

IFC rostrevor v leitrim, annaclone v drumaness

Missed JFC draw sorry  :-\

JFC

Dromara v Bright/Ardglass
Dundrum v Kilclief

:-\ bright won this one

I believe Ardglass have raised an objection regarding Bright playing an ineligible player in the last few minutes of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 06, 2017, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 05, 2017, 10:30:42 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 05, 2017, 10:16:44 AM
Quote from: umpire on September 04, 2017, 10:11:18 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 04, 2017, 09:53:48 PM
SFC semi final; castlewellan v burren, kilcoo v rgu/bholland

IFC rostrevor v leitrim, annaclone v drumaness

Missed JFC draw sorry  :-\

JFC

Dromara v Bright/Ardglass
Dundrum v Kilclief

:-\ bright won this one

I believe Ardglass have raised an objection regarding Bright playing an ineligible player in the last few minutes of the game.


Bright fielded an underage player - County Board said match is to be replayed like it was in the case of Teconnaught and St.Pauls last year when an underage player was fielded. However Ardglass are refusing to replay match.

By rights Bright should be excluded they broke a well known rule
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on September 06, 2017, 03:07:46 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 06, 2017, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 05, 2017, 10:30:42 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 05, 2017, 10:16:44 AM
Quote from: umpire on September 04, 2017, 10:11:18 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 04, 2017, 09:53:48 PM
SFC semi final; castlewellan v burren, kilcoo v rgu/bholland

IFC rostrevor v leitrim, annaclone v drumaness

Missed JFC draw sorry  :-\

JFC

Dromara v Bright/Ardglass
Dundrum v Kilclief

:-\ bright won this one

I believe Ardglass have raised an objection regarding Bright playing an ineligible player in the last few minutes of the game.


Bright fielded an underage player - County Board said match is to be replayed like it was in the case of Teconnaught and St.Pauls last year when an underage player was fielded. However Ardglass are refusing to replay match.

By rights Bright should be excluded they broke a well known rule

Harsh lesson but the rules are rules. was same player played throughout league too I wonder ?
agree it should be disqualification but precedent must have been set last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 07, 2017, 01:39:04 AM
If you break the rules you should be fired out if the championship.if you play illegal players during the league then you lose the points. If this is not nipped in the bud then everyone will be trying it and if you get caught , you get a replay.

Rules are rules
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 07, 2017, 08:48:41 AM
Quote from: downjim on September 07, 2017, 01:39:04 AM
If you break the rules you should be fired out if the championship.if you play illegal players during the league then you lose the points. If this is not nipped in the bud then everyone will be trying it and if you get caught , you get a replay.

Rules are rules

A replay isn't a big enough deterrent. Game should be awarded to the opposition irrespective of it being league or championship.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Champions elect on September 07, 2017, 09:41:00 AM
Ardglass offered the replay to Bright and county board agreed to it. ardglass could of withheld the objection and bright would of been disqualified.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 07, 2017, 09:49:20 AM
In that case, fair play to Ardglass
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on September 07, 2017, 01:17:54 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 07, 2017, 09:49:20 AM
In that case, fair play to Ardglass

this
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 07, 2017, 05:40:30 PM
Next year I think it's time to let seconds teams into Div 4. There are teams in Down who would be well capable of fielding two squads every Friday night.  Kilcoo, Bridge, Ford, Clonduff and ourselves would definitely be able to. I think teams would embrace the challenges. The Premier reserve league has only 11 games this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 07, 2017, 08:46:42 PM
Fair play to Ardglass is right.

johnneycool, what is the Ballygalget Health & Well Being Centre? A corporate rebrand to get your hands on as much grant funding as possible?  ;)

Had to laugh at the photo of Jim Shannon standing on the pitch, not sure his constituents in The West Winds estate would approve!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 08, 2017, 11:47:59 AM
Quote from: No1 on September 07, 2017, 08:46:42 PM
Fair play to Ardglass is right.

johnneycool, what is the Ballygalget Health & Well Being Centre? A corporate rebrand to get your hands on as much grant funding as possible?  ;)

Had to laugh at the photo of Jim Shannon standing on the pitch, not sure his constituents in The West Winds estate would approve!  ;D

That's not Jim, that's an even bigger bigot from Portavogie who's the lord mayor of North Down and Newtownards who did the sum total of SFA to help us, in fact the local council fulfilled their financial commitment to the bare minimum where I'm led to believe that Saul got substantially more from their respective council. I think he almost shit himself when the lad from DAERAE suggested a picture or two with a few hurls.
The same wee bollox was trying to rail road a "cross community" all weather 3G pitch into Portavogie even though it was too small for gaelic games and kicked up a stink when the SDLP and Alliance councillors pulled him on it.
Thats still up in the air.

As for our Health and Well Being Centre, its a two storey building, kitted out gym on top of two relaxation rooms which oddly enough can double for rather large changing rooms  ;D

Our previous undertakings in spunking money on a floodlit highway to health and various cross community activities like our "Ballygalget Biggest Loser" and even the running club which is now fully affiliated stood by us in a big way.
Still, its a big financial undertaking by us and fundraising will be getting underway very shortly, so I'll get Count to throw you over a few dozen tickets to sell for us.
We're about to turn the first sod once NIE get their finger out and move an electricity pole for us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 08, 2017, 01:36:42 PM
well done to darren, darragh and connaire who received irish news all star awards last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 08, 2017, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 07, 2017, 05:40:30 PM
Next year I think it's time to let seconds teams into Div 4. There are teams in Down who would be well capable of fielding two squads every Friday night.  Kilcoo, Bridge, Ford, Clonduff and ourselves would definitely be able to. I think teams would embrace the challenges. The Premier reserve league has only 11 games this year.

I think in principal it is a good idea, it certainly allows players to get more games. However how do a few things work:



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 08, 2017, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on September 08, 2017, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 07, 2017, 05:40:30 PM
Next year I think it's time to let seconds teams into Div 4. There are teams in Down who would be well capable of fielding two squads every Friday night.  Kilcoo, Bridge, Ford, Clonduff and ourselves would definitely be able to. I think teams would embrace the challenges. The Premier reserve league has only 11 games this year.

I think in principal it is a good idea, it certainly allows players to get more games. However how do a few things work:

  • Would it ever be allowed to have two teams from one club in the same division? Cos that would be wrong
  • would there be a restriction on players playing for both teams? Like the whole first team winning Division 4 AND Division 1.
  • How would the logistics work of having multiple teams playing but not enough pitches? Would teams need two pitches to play two home games at the same time?

1982

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on September 08, 2017, 02:57:27 PM
Did antrim not have this a while back and change to senior leagues and reserve leagues?

It wasn't so long ago we had a Premier reserve 1 & 2. Have several teams now 'dropped' into east and south down reserve leagues leaving only enough seconds teams for the single premier league where each team only plays each other once?

To get more games there could always be a split in the league top half teams play each other once more and same for bottom? Cup/shield idea.

Then again too many fixtures just leads to a farce.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 08, 2017, 03:18:52 PM
I don't see the point in Burren or Kilcoo seconds playing D4 football. They would either demolish junior championship sides by as much as they want, or would not field when senior team injuries/holidays/suspensions stack up, and it would be disheartening for all involved.

Reserve football should be regionalised with an 8 team D1 in both East and South, and the top 2 in each playing a knockout for the All County League title. Teams relegate and promote into their regional D1 as in any other league system.

This is simply down to logistics. It's not hard to pull together a reserve squad when the travel is limited. But a 2pm fixture in an all county league when it means a trip from Belfast to Kilkeel or Newry to Downpatrick, means giving up your entire afternoon (12-5) for that cause. There's only so many times a season any man can do that in the name of B football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: seafoid on September 08, 2017, 04:18:35 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on September 08, 2017, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on September 08, 2017, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 07, 2017, 05:40:30 PM
Next year I think it's time to let seconds teams into Div 4. There are teams in Down who would be well capable of fielding two squads every Friday night.  Kilcoo, Bridge, Ford, Clonduff and ourselves would definitely be able to. I think teams would embrace the challenges. The Premier reserve league has only 11 games this year.

I think in principal it is a good idea, it certainly allows players to get more games. However how do a few things work:

  • Would it ever be allowed to have two teams from one club in the same division? Cos that would be wrong
  • would there be a restriction on players playing for both teams? Like the whole first team winning Division 4 AND Division 1.
  • How would the logistics work of having multiple teams playing but not enough pitches? Would teams need two pitches to play two home games at the same time?

1982

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrX5zDSWcAQgUWv.jpg)
Some great names in those tables. Tully list,  Mayobridge, an Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 10, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
Anyone at the Portaferry/Liatriom minor game yesterday 👊
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 10, 2017, 04:20:36 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 10, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
Anyone at the Portaferry/Liatriom minor game yesterday 👊
what happened? I seen the intermediate hurling final between the same 2 teams was called off today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walt Jabsco on September 10, 2017, 04:29:43 PM
It wasn't called off Portaferry DNF
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walt Jabsco on September 10, 2017, 04:32:35 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 10, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
Anyone at the Portaferry/Liatriom minor game yesterday 👊

Not like you to be interested in hurling jim. Have you an interest in something related ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 10, 2017, 10:46:35 PM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on September 10, 2017, 04:32:35 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 10, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
Anyone at the Portaferry/Liatriom minor game yesterday 👊

Not like you to be interested in hurling jim. Have you an interest in something related ;D
Possibly interested in wether liatroim got any red cards saying as they're big competition to burren for the minor championship, or have i got this wrong!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walt Jabsco on September 10, 2017, 11:21:34 PM
I would say you have it spot on ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 11, 2017, 09:44:09 AM
Quote from: Targetman on September 10, 2017, 10:46:35 PM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on September 10, 2017, 04:32:35 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 10, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
Anyone at the Portaferry/Liatriom minor game yesterday 👊

Not like you to be interested in hurling jim. Have you an interest in something related ;D
Possibly interested in wether liatroim got any red cards saying as they're big competition to burren for the minor championship, or have i got this wrong!!


I think the referee was the only one not to get a touch.....
Started amongst spectators I was told and got out of hand very quickly and spilled onto the field.

Serious manners lacking in some mentors
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 11, 2017, 12:12:33 PM
Hefty suspensions should lie ahead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 11, 2017, 12:37:08 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 11, 2017, 12:12:33 PM
Hefty suspensions fines should lie ahead

Down CB to make a quick buck without addressing the main instigators.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 11, 2017, 08:19:50 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 11, 2017, 12:37:08 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 11, 2017, 12:12:33 PM
Hefty suspensions fines should lie ahead

Down CB to make a quick buck without addressing the main instigators.
Who were the main instigators JC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PMG1 on September 11, 2017, 08:21:41 PM
I am involved with running the Paul McGirr Ulster U16 tournament, does anyone know who won the Down U16 championship this year or what stage it is at?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 11, 2017, 08:55:45 PM
Quote from: PMG1 on September 11, 2017, 08:21:41 PM
I am involved with running the Paul McGirr Ulster U16 tournament, does anyone know who won the Down U16 championship this year or what stage it is at?

Some of the quarter finals haven't been played yet.

Depending on whether there's a crossover in teams with the minor championship, I'd say you'll not get a winner until 1st or second Saturday in October.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 11, 2017, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 11, 2017, 12:12:33 PM
Hefty suspensions should lie ahead

Why's that downjim?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 11, 2017, 09:54:47 PM
Quote from: PMG1 on September 11, 2017, 08:21:41 PM
I am involved with running the Paul McGirr Ulster U16 tournament, does anyone know who won the Down U16 championship this year or what stage it is at?
You can pencil in Kilcoo!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 12, 2017, 05:27:00 PM
Did Kilcoo win the championship???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 12, 2017, 05:56:15 PM
Not yet but they will!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 12, 2017, 11:45:46 PM
Few good teams left in it yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 13, 2017, 03:32:09 PM
Oh I know but would fancy Kilcoo to win it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on September 14, 2017, 12:08:10 PM
who for the all county minors ? burren, liatroim, clonduff ? liatroim and clonduff contested league final. must be favourites ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 14, 2017, 01:46:52 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 14, 2017, 12:08:10 PM
who for the all county minors ? burren, liatroim, clonduff ? liatroim and clonduff contested league final. must be favourites ?

Liatroim would be heavy favourites for the minor title. They're very big and athletic, and have lethal forwards. Burren will be hard to beat but wouldn't just have as much about them as Liatroim do; realistically they'd need all players on form to win. Clonduff probably wouldn't be too far off Liatroim in terms of physical size and might be more capable of challenging them. Kilcoo are tigerish like all Kilcoo teams but are a bit young and light to make a dent in the other 3 (should they even get pat the Baile Locha team... who I've no idea about.


I'd expect Clonduff will either win or be the toughest test for the winners of the u16 FC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on September 14, 2017, 02:02:17 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 14, 2017, 01:46:52 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 14, 2017, 12:08:10 PM
who for the all county minors ? burren, liatroim, clonduff ? liatroim and clonduff contested league final. must be favourites ?

Liatroim would be heavy favourites for the minor title. They're very big and athletic, and have lethal forwards. Burren will be hard to beat but wouldn't just have as much about them as Liatroim do; realistically they'd need all players on form to win. Clonduff probably wouldn't be too far off Liatroim in terms of physical size and might be more capable of challenging them. Kilcoo are tigerish like all Kilcoo teams but are a bit young and light to make a dent in the other 3 (should they even get pat the Baile Locha team... who I've no idea about.


I'd expect Clonduff will either win or be the toughest test for the winners of the u16 FC.

yeh I see clonduff u16s are playing tonight. mite scoot up to that one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on September 15, 2017, 09:32:00 AM
Was the JFC semi final last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 15, 2017, 09:35:37 AM
Quote from: outinfront on September 15, 2017, 09:32:00 AM
Was the JFC semi final last night?

Dundrum 0-12 Kilclief 0-09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 16, 2017, 07:09:56 PM
The Down Senior Championship is now turning into a snoozefeast with Kilcoo just cruising into the final  last without getting out of first gear.Burren also into the final which was pretty predictable.This two are ahead of the rest with Clonduff and Mayobridge the only other teams that showed a bit of pedigree this year.Crap teams playing each other makes for tight games but the results in the 2 semi finals shows how poor them teams are.I expect Kilcoo to win the final but to be pushed all the way.Burren have improved from last year but will it be evough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on September 16, 2017, 07:58:10 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 16, 2017, 07:09:56 PM
The Down Senior Championship is now turning into a snoozefeast with Kilcoo just cruising into the final  last without getting out of first gear.Burren also into the final which was pretty predictable.This two are ahead of the rest with Clonduff and Mayobridge the only other teams that showed a bit of pedigree this year.Crap teams playing each other makes for tight games but the results in the 2 semi finals shows how poor them teams are.I expect Kilcoo to win the final but to be pushed all the way.Burren have improved from last year but will it be evough.
I agree. Burren and Kilcoo streets ahead. The likes of CPN who are currently 2nd in the league are in a false position
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 16, 2017, 08:09:58 PM
CPN Ballyholland Downpatrick Castlewellan Bryansford all good league teams but have not shown anything in championship football this past 15 years.Im maybe a bit harsh on Downpatrick who are only back in division 1 this year.Clonduff can normally mix it with the big teams and Mayobridge are never far away
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 16, 2017, 09:06:16 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 16, 2017, 07:09:56 PM
The Down Senior Championship is now turning into a snoozefeast with Kilcoo just cruising into the final  last without getting out of first gear.Burren also into the final which was pretty predictable.This two are ahead of the rest with Clonduff and Mayobridge the only other teams that showed a bit of pedigree this year.Crap teams playing each other makes for tight games but the results in the 2 semi finals shows how poor them teams are.I expect Kilcoo to win the final but to be pushed all the way.Burren have improved from last year but will it be evough.

I would say Burren have regressed significantly in the last 2 - 3 years and wouldn't give them a prayer in the final.  Says a lot about the standard of club football in down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 16, 2017, 09:11:59 PM
In what way whitegoodman?
Look at the players they have?
McGovern x2
Toner x2
O Hare
McArdle
McKernan
Murdock x2
Rooney
Trainor
McKay
Add in a few of them young lads unsure of names
On paper quality all over that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 16, 2017, 09:30:27 PM
All of them lads have been around each of the last 4 years when they have come well short against Kilcoo.

They haven't had to play well to reach the final and I havent been impressed with them all year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 18, 2017, 08:05:47 PM
The only real championship game was Burren v Bridge in QF. The rest have been shite and a rip off for paying fans.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on September 22, 2017, 02:54:03 PM
anything of note from the ccc meeting last night ? ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on September 23, 2017, 06:19:36 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 22, 2017, 02:54:03 PM
anything of note from the ccc meeting last night ? ???

C'mon, enlighten us then. What were you expecting?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 24, 2017, 05:56:11 PM
The Down SFC final between Burren and Kilcoo will be shown live on tg4 next Sunday, throw in at 3pm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 24, 2017, 06:09:03 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 24, 2017, 05:56:11 PM
The Down SFC final between Burren and Kilcoo will be shown live on tg4 next Sunday, throw in at 3pm.

its defo 3pm? their advert in the Irish News during the week said minor game 2pm senior 4pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on September 24, 2017, 06:28:30 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 24, 2017, 06:09:03 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 24, 2017, 05:56:11 PM
The Down SFC final between Burren and Kilcoo will be shown live on tg4 next Sunday, throw in at 3pm.

its defo 3pm? their advert in the Irish News during the week said minor game 2pm senior 4pm

Back to 3pm on the website and TG4 have it for 3 as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 24, 2017, 06:53:54 PM
Down GAA just tweeted 3pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 24, 2017, 07:16:50 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 24, 2017, 07:26:09 PM
Big win for Slaughtneil today, tough game for the winners of next Sunday's final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on September 25, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
Quote from: Samforever on September 23, 2017, 06:19:36 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 22, 2017, 02:54:03 PM
anything of note from the ccc meeting last night ? ???

C'mon, enlighten us then. What were you expecting?

heard that the re-grading of underage was on the agenda. wondered how it panned out. think it will eventually apply Ireland wide though regardless of what counties decide themselves
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 26, 2017, 09:41:06 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 25, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
Quote from: Samforever on September 23, 2017, 06:19:36 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 22, 2017, 02:54:03 PM
anything of note from the ccc meeting last night ? ???

C'mon, enlighten us then. What were you expecting?

heard that the re-grading of underage was on the agenda. wondered how it panned out. think it will eventually apply Ireland wide though regardless of what counties decide themselves


Does that mean switching to the u-11,u-13,u-15,u17??

If that did come in does that mean those in last year of u-17 would be able to play Senior football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on September 26, 2017, 09:46:56 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 26, 2017, 09:41:06 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 25, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
Quote from: Samforever on September 23, 2017, 06:19:36 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 22, 2017, 02:54:03 PM
anything of note from the ccc meeting last night ? ???

C'mon, enlighten us then. What were you expecting?

heard that the re-grading of underage was on the agenda. wondered how it panned out. think it will eventually apply Ireland wide though regardless of what counties decide themselves


Does that mean switching to the u-11,u-13,u-15,u17??

If that did come in does that mean those in last year of u-17 would be able to play Senior football?

yeh. and no. if in last year of u17 you are still 16 going into that year. you must be 17 or over on 31st December going into the season you wish to play senior football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 26, 2017, 01:05:58 PM
The leagues are now coming  to an end and it's looking like this

Division 1 champions
Castlewellan
CPN
Mayobridge

Relegated
Glenn
Longstone

Division 2 promotion
Saval
Rostrevor
Carryduff

Relegated
Drumeness gone
Darragh cross
Shamrocks
Ballymartin
Annaclone

Division 3 promoted
Tullylish
Clana Banna

Relegated
St Paul's


Some big teams battling for relegation and paying big money to managers
What is the point???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on September 26, 2017, 02:18:51 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 26, 2017, 01:05:58 PM
The leagues are now coming  to an end and it's looking like this

Division 1 champions
Castlewellan
CPN
Mayobridge

Relegated
Glenn
Longstone

Division 2 promotion
Saval
Rostrevor
Carryduff

Relegated
Drumeness gone
Darragh cross
Shamrocks
Ballymartin
Annaclone

Division 3 promoted
Tullylish
Clana Banna

Relegated
St Paul's



Some big teams battling for relegation and paying big money to managers
What is the point???

Teconnaught also relegated from Div 3 - Dan Rice has left also

Ardglass and Dromara up from div 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 26, 2017, 10:45:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 26, 2017, 09:41:06 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 25, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
Quote from: Samforever on September 23, 2017, 06:19:36 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 22, 2017, 02:54:03 PM
anything of note from the ccc meeting last night ? ???

C'mon, enlighten us then. What were you expecting?

heard that the re-grading of underage was on the agenda. wondered how it panned out. think it will eventually apply Ireland wide though regardless of what counties decide themselves


Does that mean switching to the u-11,u-13,u-15,u17??

If that did come in does that mean those in last year of u-17 would be able to play Senior football?
I think the underage structures are staying the same, from what I hear
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on September 27, 2017, 03:06:00 PM
Quote from: Targetman on September 26, 2017, 10:45:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 26, 2017, 09:41:06 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 25, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
Quote from: Samforever on September 23, 2017, 06:19:36 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 22, 2017, 02:54:03 PM
anything of note from the ccc meeting last night ? ???

C'mon, enlighten us then. What were you expecting?

heard that the re-grading of underage was on the agenda. wondered how it panned out. think it will eventually apply Ireland wide though regardless of what counties decide themselves


Does that mean switching to the u-11,u-13,u-15,u17??

If that did come in does that mean those in last year of u-17 would be able to play Senior football?
I think the underage structures are staying the same, from what I hear

yes heard same. the right call. all change for 2019 though it seems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on September 27, 2017, 04:33:43 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 27, 2017, 03:06:00 PM
Quote from: Targetman on September 26, 2017, 10:45:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 26, 2017, 09:41:06 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 25, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
Quote from: Samforever on September 23, 2017, 06:19:36 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 22, 2017, 02:54:03 PM
anything of note from the ccc meeting last night ? ???

C'mon, enlighten us then. What were you expecting?

heard that the re-grading of underage was on the agenda. wondered how it panned out. think it will eventually apply Ireland wide though regardless of what counties decide themselves


Does that mean switching to the u-11,u-13,u-15,u17??

If that did come in does that mean those in last year of u-17 would be able to play Senior football?
I think the underage structures are staying the same, from what I hear

yes heard same. the right call. all change for 2019 though it seems.

This has to be a national call rather than each county deciding individually what to do as there's far too many intercounty club competitions now with various county champions going forward to represent Down.
Who represents Down in the Paul McGirr U16 competition if Tyrone decide to stick with the even numbers and Down decide to go with the odd numbers? There's Feile's and so forth as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 27, 2017, 06:49:43 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 27, 2017, 04:33:43 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 27, 2017, 03:06:00 PM
Quote from: Targetman on September 26, 2017, 10:45:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 26, 2017, 09:41:06 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 25, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
Quote from: Samforever on September 23, 2017, 06:19:36 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on September 22, 2017, 02:54:03 PM
anything of note from the ccc meeting last night ? ???

C'mon, enlighten us then. What were you expecting?

heard that the re-grading of underage was on the agenda. wondered how it panned out. think it will eventually apply Ireland wide though regardless of what counties decide themselves


Does that mean switching to the u-11,u-13,u-15,u17??

If that did come in does that mean those in last year of u-17 would be able to play Senior football?
I think the underage structures are staying the same, from what I hear

yes heard same. the right call. all change for 2019 though it seems.

This has to be a national call rather than each county deciding individually what to do as there's far too many intercounty club competitions now with various county champions going forward to represent Down.
Who represents Down in the Paul McGirr U16 competition if Tyrone decide to stick with the even numbers and Down decide to go with the odd numbers? There's Feile's and so forth as well.

Agree , has to be national.
However several national decisions  recently have hit rural clubs hardest. I think minor club age group should be switched to u18.5 , ie in keeping with school year, so that clubs have a better chance of holding on to teenage players . If it switches to u17 it would be a disaster leading to massive drop out , as several 17 /18 year olds either aren't good enough or don't want to
Make their club senior team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 27, 2017, 09:02:33 PM
Poor Joe Donnan got the wrath of Kilcoo today. Was I the only one that cringed at that statement on social media?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 27, 2017, 09:12:32 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 27, 2017, 09:02:33 PM
Poor Joe Donnan got the wrath of Kilcoo today. Was I the only one that cringed at that statement on social media?

No you werent...Joe wasnt telling any lies. They have little to be doing 3 or 4 days before a championship final issuing a "statement" about an article which isnt far away to be honest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 27, 2017, 09:13:50 PM
Not sure why Kilcoo are so upset at someone highlighting that their goals are a tad loftier than winning the same cup 200 times in a row. If they weren't loftier, that's when every other club would have to wonder what the feck they're at in the Down SFC.


6th Sam, oddly enough I'd have predicted things differently for rural / urban splits if the move to u17 happens. I'd have considered it a major advantage for smaller rural clubs to bring talented juveniles exclusively into senior football for a full year before they hit university, as it gives the club a chance to ingrains them in senior football. Whereas for larger clubs, it poses a problem in that they won't have an immediate need to bring through anyone but the most talented of 17 year olds, so there's a big chance of them spending that crucial "final year at home" in footballing limbo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 27, 2017, 10:20:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 27, 2017, 09:13:50 PM
Not sure why Kilcoo are so upset at someone highlighting that their goals are a tad loftier than winning the same cup 200 times in a row. If they weren't loftier, that's when every other club would have to wonder what the feck they're at in the Down SFC.


6th Sam, oddly enough I'd have predicted things differently for rural / urban splits if the move to u17 happens. I'd have considered it a major advantage for smaller rural clubs to bring talented juveniles exclusively into senior football for a full year before they hit university, as it gives the club a chance to ingrains them in senior football. Whereas for larger clubs, it poses a problem in that they won't have an immediate need to bring through anyone but the most talented of 17 year olds, so there's a big chance of them spending that crucial "final year at home" in footballing limbo.
the quality players are morwe likely to come thru to senior football anyway as they will tend to be best equipped, the disinterested are likely to drop off anyway, what concerns me is the silent majority-those in the middle not yet equipped for senior at 17, but who might stay involved for a further year, and hopefully develop , and be better equipped at 18/19.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 28, 2017, 08:47:39 AM
Pete McGrath ratified as new Louth manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Champions elect on September 28, 2017, 03:55:28 PM
any idea on what is happening with u-21 football this year? is it changing to u-20 for club and county or is it only county and u21 staying for club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 28, 2017, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 27, 2017, 09:13:50 PM
Not sure why Kilcoo are so upset at someone highlighting that their goals are a tad loftier than winning the same cup 200 times in a row. If they weren't loftier, that's when every other club would have to wonder what the feck they're at in the Down SFC.

No one would deny that everyone has a goal of winning Ulster.

However, there is not an assumption that the Down SFC is ours by default. Joe Donnan stating that may lead others to believe that Kilcoo consider other Down clubs to be beneath them. Not the case now, never has been and I'd trust never will be.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on September 28, 2017, 09:44:04 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 28, 2017, 09:37:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 27, 2017, 09:13:50 PM
Not sure why Kilcoo are so upset at someone highlighting that their goals are a tad loftier than winning the same cup 200 times in a row. If they weren't loftier, that's when every other club would have to wonder what the feck they're at in the Down SFC.

No one would deny that everyone has a goal of winning Ulster.

However, there is not an assumption that the Down SFC is ours by default. Joe Donnan stating that may lead others to believe that Kilcoo consider other Down clubs to be beneath them. Not the case now, never has been and I'd trust never will be.

Aye right ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 29, 2017, 08:12:29 AM
Anyone hear Frank Dawson got the sack from Ballymartin during the week?
Heard that last night anyone confirme?
What club team in Down will take him next year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on September 29, 2017, 10:14:29 AM
Joseph Donnan should be congratulated in reporting the truth. But he only wrote what most in the county already know. Kilcoo are a superb side, fully focussed on winning and they make no secret of the fact that they will all 'die in their boots for the cause'  5 in a row and heading for 6 is some achievement but no ,Ulster title obviously wrangles and is the obvious driver for coming back time and again.

No point denying they have eyes on Ulster when you've been seen watching Slaughtneil a few weeks back.

To say they respect their opponents fully at all times is stretching it but what they always do is prepare fully for each and every game like it's a final, whilst being prepared to go beyond the lines of respectability in order to achieve that goal.

The problem for Kilcoo is Joe has put what the Kilcoo supporters openly say and think in the paper and hence in some way they now think he is helping to motivate Burren.

If Burren need that as motivation God help them. The last 5 years should be enough!!

When the ball is threw in on Sunday what Joe has wrote will have no bearing. He won't catch, kick, block or score. He'll simply wait for his headline. Magpies fly into Ulster again or Burren shoot down Magpies.

Kilcoo shouldn't be asking Joe for an apology they should be gagging those who have given him the material to write either players talking on the field or the supporters in stand or street.

Kilcoo are aiming for Ulster....you heard it here first!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on September 29, 2017, 11:28:37 PM
Good luck to the Glenn lads in the South Down Minor championship final tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 30, 2017, 10:01:54 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on September 29, 2017, 10:14:29 AM
Joseph Donnan should be congratulated in reporting the truth. But he only wrote what most in the county already know. Kilcoo are a superb side, fully focussed on winning and they make no secret of the fact that they will all 'die in their boots for the cause'  5 in a row and heading for 6 is some achievement but no ,Ulster title obviously wrangles and is the obvious driver for coming back time and again.

No point denying they have eyes on Ulster when you've been seen watching Slaughtneil a few weeks back.

To say they respect their opponents fully at all times is stretching it but what they always do is prepare fully for each and every game like it's a final, whilst being prepared to go beyond the lines of respectability in order to achieve that goal.

The problem for Kilcoo is Joe has put what the Kilcoo supporters openly say and think in the paper and hence in some way they now think he is helping to motivate Burren.

If Burren need that as motivation God help them. The last 5 years should be enough!!

When the ball is threw in on Sunday what Joe has wrote will have no bearing. He won't catch, kick, block or score. He'll simply wait for his headline. Magpies fly into Ulster again or Burren shoot down Magpies.

Kilcoo shouldn't be asking Joe for an apology they should be gagging those who have given him the material to write either players talking on the field or the supporters in stand or street.

Kilcoo are aiming for Ulster....you heard it here first!!!!

I'm 100% sure Joseph Donnan said it first...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 30, 2017, 12:04:12 PM
Joe Donnan or supporters getting to the stand at 9am tomorrow won't have any bearing on the game tomorrow. It's a massive test for us,may the best team win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 30, 2017, 05:00:09 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 29, 2017, 08:12:29 AM
Anyone hear Frank Dawson got the sack from Ballymartin during the week?
Heard that last night anyone confirme?
What club team in Down will take him next year?
Heard he walked before he was pushed. For someone who is getting paid to manage clubs he surely has a very poor recent record since the late 00's/ early 10's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 01, 2017, 05:25:16 PM
Congrats to Kilcoo 6 titles in a row is a serious achievement, thought Burren were really up for it in the first half especially but couldn't keep it going, Kilcoo eventually got a bit of momentum in the second half and I suppose were deserved winners without hitting anywhere near top form, they'll have to step it up to beat slaughtneil
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 01, 2017, 05:51:16 PM
Burren just weren't good enough again!
It's amazing how this group of Kilcoo lads  still have the hunger to win another title, good luck to them in Ulster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 01, 2017, 05:57:52 PM
The minor game was the best game I've seen all year.. a credit to both teams who went at it all game. A tough way to lose for clonduff but they have some serious footballers, young Devlin was outstanding. Then in Liam Kerr Burren have a rolls Royce of a footballer..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 01, 2017, 09:27:47 PM
Today was probably Kilcoo's poorest final display in their outstanding six in row run, but they still had the organisation and the grit to get over the line. While Burren dominated the first half, they were only a point in front at the break and there was an inevitably about the result as soon as Kilcoo edged ahead. Kilcoo have a top class defensive system but they lost the Ulster final last year because their forwards were not good enough on the day. They were only marginally better today, and relied largely on Dylan Ward's long range points to see them home. Ryan Johnston was carrying an injury, while both Jerome Johnston and Conor Laverty found little space and the rest of their attack did not really function. They will need a distinct improvement up front if they are going to beat Slaughtneil in Newry in a fortnight.

The minor final was a far better game between two closely matched sides who were ready and able to score goals when they were required. Burren showed great determination to snatch it in the last seconds of injury time but the Clonduff management made a very curious decision in replacing their keeper with a couple of minutes to go. His kick outs had been mixed but he was decent from play and his replacement was pretty clearly still getting used to to the pace of the contest when he was outjumped by a Burren forward for the decisive goal at the death.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on October 02, 2017, 08:38:26 AM
I agree that this was probably the worst Kilcoo display in their six victories. But also it was a better side they faced. The big problems would be that they never seem to have a full forward available when they turnover possession and so can't transition to attack quickly. The other massive problem is that they have no midfield. Burren out-marked them all game long.

On the plus side Kilcoo are a fantastic defensive unit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 02, 2017, 11:48:26 AM
First of all congrats to Kilcoo, to come back to the well again is a great achievement.
If they beat the Derry champions then will win Ulster. But I cannot see it as their midfield is poor and they do not have much height in their defence. I do not think they have been a great team to watch over the years but for grinding out results, the best I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 02, 2017, 12:19:01 PM
Great win for Kilcoo yesterday in what I thought was a great game?.
Fair play to Burren for a good performance
Some achievement for Kilcoo
They are the masters of grinding out results
They will never be known for a great footballing side but great champions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 02, 2017, 04:37:03 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 02, 2017, 12:19:01 PM
Great win for Kilcoo yesterday in what I thought was a great game?.
Fair play to Burren for a good performance
Some achievement for Kilcoo
They are the masters of grinding out results
They will never be known for a great footballing side but great champions

They've been "grinding out" a brave few results over the past 9 years to take home 7 championships!
Kilcoo have quality footballers all over the field at all levels, thanks to a commitment to excellence over many years. Their individual ,and collective , decision making sets them apart, and both themselves and Burren made yesterday's game enjoyable and competitive.
Dublin , similarly have "ground out" all their All-ireland finals by a point or two , over roughly the same period, but in reality these teams are  top of the pile because they have the best footballers overall.
Congrats to Kilcoo, and like Ballygalget and our other Representatives, I wish them well in their Ulster campaign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 03, 2017, 06:19:36 PM
The County set up could learn a lot from kilcoo in terms of development structures. How big is kilcoo parish anytime I've been through it it doesn't look too big.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 04, 2017, 11:24:44 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on October 03, 2017, 06:19:36 PM
The County set up could learn a lot from kilcoo in terms of development structures. How big is kilcoo parish anytime I've been through it it doesn't look too big.

quite a big catchment area
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 04, 2017, 12:05:36 PM
There are a lot of clubs bordering kilcoo, I wouldn't think they have a particularly large catchment area.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 04, 2017, 05:39:25 PM
The last census (2001) had us at ~1400 in the parish, but I'd reckon its pushed up since then. I'd guess at somewhere around 1600-1800.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 07, 2017, 08:07:05 PM
Comprehensive wins for Burren and Kilcoo in u14 and u16 championship finals today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 08, 2017, 04:54:12 PM
Has anyone a complete list of the current championship holders from u14 to seniors including u21s??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 08, 2017, 08:59:35 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 08, 2017, 04:54:12 PM
Has anyone a complete list of the current championship holders from u14 to seniors including u21s??
u14: burren.  u16: kilcoo.  minor: burren.  u21: mayobridge.  senior: kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaaboardmod3 on October 09, 2017, 03:53:39 PM
Removed a couple of posts there and warned the poster. Please refrain from needlessly insulting posts about rival clubs or players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on October 09, 2017, 06:37:03 PM
Do Kilcoo have any chance of winning Sunday without Ryan j and Aaron Branagan ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: crice123 on October 09, 2017, 06:38:30 PM
Can't see them beating the mighty slaughtneil. Winners of this match will win ulster in my opinion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 09, 2017, 08:40:57 PM
Quote from: crice123 on October 09, 2017, 06:38:30 PM
Can't see them beating the mighty slaughtneil. Winners of this match will win ulster in my opinion
You got your knuckles well rapped for your last opinion (which has since been removed by the mod)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: crice123 on October 09, 2017, 08:43:36 PM
I've learnt my lesson target
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 09, 2017, 08:48:31 PM
Every day is a school day!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 09, 2017, 08:56:53 PM
Quote from: Targetman on October 09, 2017, 08:40:57 PM
Quote from: crice123 on October 09, 2017, 06:38:30 PM
Can't see them beating the mighty slaughtneil. Winners of this match will win ulster in my opinion
You got your knuckles well rapped for your last opinion (which has since been removed by the mod)

This one is a bit closer to the truth to be fair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 10, 2017, 02:22:31 AM
Eventful enough Day in Parc Esler, Bright players spitting at Dundrum Players and Annaclone/Rostrevor ripping the heads of each other at the start of the game.. Bad couple of weekends in Ulster for player trouble
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on October 10, 2017, 10:57:15 AM
Any word on any club transfers for next season ? I was told that Packie  Downey is moving Back to Drumgath , is this true ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 10, 2017, 11:35:28 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 10, 2017, 02:22:31 AM
Eventful enough Day in Parc Esler, Bright players spitting at Dundrum Players and Annaclone/Rostrevor ripping the heads of each other at the start of the game.. Bad couple of weekends in Ulster for player trouble

Handbags, nothing to see here. Well done Dundrum & Rostrevor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 10, 2017, 01:33:35 PM
Quote from: Down4sam2020 on October 10, 2017, 10:57:15 AM
Any word on any club transfers for next season ? I was told that Packie  Downey is moving Back to Drumgath , is this true ?
A bit of a comedian on here, there's the school bell get back to class!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on October 10, 2017, 02:21:58 PM
Target man , I would much appreciate it  if you were banned from this forum simply due to the fact that you feel the necessity to 'attempt'to involve my own personal life after I simply made a statement im relation to the club transfers for next  season within this county.
This forum is for football , hurling ,  camogie and handball updates and not for getting personal with others.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 10, 2017, 03:07:33 PM
Catch a grip young fella!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5 Sams on October 10, 2017, 10:43:07 PM
Gearóíd Adams in with Eamonn Burns for 2018.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 11, 2017, 10:09:51 AM
Quote from: Targetman on October 10, 2017, 01:33:35 PM
Quote from: Down4sam2020 on October 10, 2017, 10:57:15 AM
Any word on any club transfers for next season ? I was told that Packie  Downey is moving Back to Drumgath , is this true ?
A bit of a comedian on here, there's the school bell get back to class!!

a very comedic retort. which one is the comedian lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 11, 2017, 06:05:03 PM
U14 Burren
U16 Kilcoo
U18 Burren
U21 Mayobridge
RFC Mayobridge
PRFC Kilcoo
JFC Dundrum
IFC Rostrevor
SFC Kilcoo

Is this correct???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 11, 2017, 06:15:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 11, 2017, 06:05:03 PM
U14 Burren
U16 Kilcoo
U18 Burren
U21 Mayobridge
RFC Mayobridge
PRFC Kilcoo
JFC Dundrum
IFC Rostrevor
SFC Kilcoo

Is this correct???
yip. all correct.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on October 11, 2017, 07:14:08 PM
What is the difference between rfc and prfc?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 11, 2017, 07:22:05 PM
About ten years  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on October 11, 2017, 07:29:30 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 11, 2017, 07:22:05 PM
About ten years  :D
;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 11, 2017, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 11, 2017, 07:14:08 PM
What is the difference between rfc and prfc?

3rds and weaker clubs' 2nd teams v stronger clubs' 2nd teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 11, 2017, 09:26:42 PM
On page 1916 of the Down thread what's the view on the appointment of Gearoid Adams as assistant to Eamonn ? particularly interested in the views of the Clonduff posters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 12, 2017, 01:54:40 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on October 11, 2017, 09:26:42 PM
On page 1916 of the Down thread what's the view on the appointment of Gearoid Adams as assistant to Eamonn ? particularly interested in the views of the Clonduff posters.

head of PE for St Louis Grammar School (Ballymena) (used to teach in Red High) , former county player hopefully he can bring more experience in to the set up. good luck to him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 12, 2017, 02:05:46 PM
I would love to know what his role will be.  Is his role different to Cathal Murray, is he an actual coach?  He obviously has experience of managing at both club and county but to what degree.  Say it had been Peter Donnelly brought in, well we know what he would have been doing.  What will Gearoid bring to the table?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 13, 2017, 11:20:47 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on October 12, 2017, 02:05:46 PM
I would love to know what his role will be.  Is his role different to Cathal Murray, is he an actual coach?  He obviously has experience of managing at both club and county but to what degree.  Say it had been Peter Donnelly brought in, well we know what he would have been doing.  What will Gearoid bring to the table?

he says is purely coaching role...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on October 13, 2017, 11:48:21 AM
Draft fixture list for National League released. Not too bad on the travelling front . 3 Home 4 Away.

Allianz Football League Division 2

Round 1: Saturday, January 27th: Cork v Tipperary; Sunday January 28th: Clare v Cavan, Louth v Down, Roscommon v Meath

Round 2: Saturday, February 3rd: Cavan v Louth, Tipperary v Roscommon; Sunday, February 4th: Down v Cork, Meath v Clare

Round 3: Saturday, February 10: Cavan v Meath; Sunday, February 11: Clare v Tipperary, Cork v Louth, Roscommon v Down

Round 4: Sunday, February 25th: Cork v Cavan, Down v Clare, Louth v Roscommon, Tipperary v Meath

Round 5: Saturday, March 3rd: Cavan v Down; Sunday, March 4th: Clare v Roscommon, Meath v Cork, Tipperary v Louth

Round 6: Saturday, March 17th: Cork v Clare; Sunday, March 18th: Down v Tipperary, Louth v Meath, Roscommon v Cavan

Round 7: Sunday, March 25th: Cavan v Tipperary, Clare v Louth, Meath v Down, Roscommon v Cork
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 13, 2017, 12:30:43 PM
Did we not only have 3 games at home this year as well. Always thought it was year about, 3 at home one year, 4 at the next year. But as you say not to bad on the travelling front.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 13, 2017, 01:42:17 PM

Paddy Murray talking in Gaelic life about the referees needing to decipher what is a foul and whats not before Sundays game!! oh the Hypocis!!

Funny how he says that now! AFTER they come out of Down (where they have the calls going the right way)

He also talks about how Slaughtneil are looking beyond Kilcoo, that they think its already won! the same statements that Joseph Donnan had wrote and for which Kilcoo demanded an apology for inferring a lack of respect on their part.

They have been getting the 50-50 calls in Down for a long time now and in some cases 30-70 calls when the referee's have been squeezed enough.

When you go into Ulster at this time of year, the ground is heavier, slippier, referees will allow it to flow and the players just have to deal with it.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 14, 2017, 12:40:58 AM
Our run of fixtures could have been much worse, and we have avoided most of the long away trips. Sheedy asks about last season but we had four home games then - Fermanagh, Meath, Kildare and Galway. Much can happen before the spring but we really should be in the mix for promotion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 14, 2017, 10:20:07 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 14, 2017, 12:40:58 AM
Our run of fixtures could have been much worse, and we have avoided most of the long away trips. Sheedy asks about last season but we had four home games then - Fermanagh, Meath, Kildare and Galway. Much can happen before the spring but we really should be in the mix for promotion.
your right, I'd forgot about the kildare game. The Championships draws are on thursday night so the picture will be complete for the year ahead.
On another note good luck to kilcoo tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 15, 2017, 03:18:57 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 13, 2017, 01:42:17 PM

Paddy Murray talking in Gaelic life about the referees needing to decipher what is a foul and whats not before Sundays game!! oh the Hypocis!!

Funny how he says that now! AFTER they come out of Down (where they have the calls going the right way)

He also talks about how Slaughtneil are looking beyond Kilcoo, that they think its already won! the same statements that Joseph Donnan had wrote and for which Kilcoo demanded an apology for inferring a lack of respect on their part.

They have been getting the 50-50 calls in Down for a long time now and in some cases 30-70 calls when the referee's have been squeezed enough.

When you go into Ulster at this time of year, the ground is heavier, slippier, referees will allow it to flow and the players just have to deal with it.

30-70 ? You got stats for that ? lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 15, 2017, 04:12:41 PM
Utm 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 15, 2017, 04:17:44 PM
That's cheap coming from you downjim
If your players had a set of testicles they would have been playing today
Unlucky Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 15, 2017, 04:45:30 PM
Kilcoo just came up short today, a lack of discipline cost dearly, you can't go down to 13 men ( although slaughtneil were down to 14) and chase the game the way they had to, they also missed a penalty and had a great goal chance tipped over the bar in added time, maybe its just not to be for this team, unfortunately! ... I see 2 division 1 teams didn't bother to field yesterday according to the results website, Saturday football not suit?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on October 15, 2017, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 13, 2017, 12:30:43 PM
Did we not only have 3 games at home this year as well. Always thought it was year about, 3 at home one year, 4 at the next year. But as you say not to bad on the travelling front.

I think there is a two year rotation on the draw. So if you play 3 homes in year one then it will be 4 aways in year two. But then it gets redrawn for the next two years. So over four seasons you will have two seasons 3 homes and 2 seasons 4 homes. But could be doubled up in middle years. These are all possible over four seasons:

3 homes then 4 homes - (new draw) 3 homes then 4 homes.
3 homes then 4 homes - (new draw) 4 homes then 3 homes
4 homes then 3 homes - (new draw) 3 homes then 4 homes
4 homes then 3 homes - (new draw) 4 homes then 3 homes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 15, 2017, 06:37:22 PM
Another hard luck story for kilcoo today, thought they give slaughtneil to much respect in the 1st half and sat off them to much. It was only when they started running at them that they got a bit of joy. A missed penalty and 2 red cards proved costly although kilcoo never give up and very nearly got a goal on 2 occasions at the death, a goal line clearance and a shot off the bar were really unlucky.
Slaughtneil are a very strong team and will give ulster a good rattle again this year.

Downjim, i dont think anyone from burren can laugh at kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 15, 2017, 07:57:06 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on October 15, 2017, 03:18:57 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 13, 2017, 01:42:17 PM

Paddy Murray talking in Gaelic life about the referees needing to decipher what is a foul and whats not before Sundays game!! oh the Hypocis!!

Funny how he says that now! AFTER they come out of Down (where they have the calls going the right way)

He also talks about how Slaughtneil are looking beyond Kilcoo, that they think its already won! the same statements that Joseph Donnan had wrote and for which Kilcoo demanded an apology for inferring a lack of respect on their part.

They have been getting the 50-50 calls in Down for a long time now and in some cases 30-70 calls when the referee's have been squeezed enough.

When you go into Ulster at this time of year, the ground is heavier, slippier, referees will allow it to flow and the players just have to deal with it.

30-70 ? You got stats for that ? lol


No stats but a set of eyes like rest of the county!! Ah well seems the referee hadn't read this weeks Gaelic life, although made a good job of influencing the lines man today!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 15, 2017, 09:10:23 PM
Kilcoo have played in the last six Ulster club championships and have ended up with a litany of hard luck stories but no titles. They have a brilliant defence but their midfield has struggled since Greenan went to Australia and they do not really have enough scoring forwards to get them over the line in tight provincial contests. Their discipline cost them today, as Ward, after an outstanding Down final, got involved in two crazy tackles early on and was gone within nine minutes. Slaughtneil were second best at that stage but used the extra man cleverly to edge ahead until their own red card, which was during a melee and seemed debatable. The second Kilcoo dismissal just after the break looked like a fairly blatant punch off the ball, and the Slaughtneil goal, when Bradley was able to punch to the net after no one picked up his run from the middle, should have finished the contest. However, in fairness to Kilcoo, they pushed up O'Hanlon, got Devlin into the game and probably should have salvaged a draw. They were genuinely unfortunate to miss a penalty, have another effort flicked off the line and the final shot of the day pushed on to the crossbar. However, with Ryan Johnston missing, Jerome needed to deliver on the day but did not score and was seldom a threat, although it was still a surprise when he was replaced when the match was still in the balance.  They are a reasonably young side, but winning another Down title and getting back into the Ulster series a year from now will be a tough prospect. While encouraging the likes of Ward and a couple of the Branagans to get a run in the county squad would help them, they do things differently in Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on October 15, 2017, 11:31:07 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 15, 2017, 09:10:23 PM
Kilcoo have played in the last six Ulster club championships and have ended up with a litany of hard luck stories but no titles. They have a brilliant defence but their midfield has struggled since Greenan went to Australia and they do not really have enough scoring forwards to get them over the line in tight provincial contests. Their discipline cost them today, as Ward, after an outstanding Down final, got involved in two crazy tackles early on and was gone within nine minutes. Slaughtneil were second best at that stage but used the extra man cleverly to edge ahead until their own red card, which was during a melee and seemed debatable. The second Kilcoo dismissal just after the break looked like a fairly blatant punch off the ball, and the Slaughtneil goal, when Bradley was able to punch to the net after no one picked up his run from the middle, should have finished the contest. However, in fairness to Kilcoo, they pushed up O'Hanlon, got Devlin into the game and probably should have salvaged a draw. They were genuinely unfortunate to miss a penalty, have another effort flicked off the line and the final shot of the day pushed on to the crossbar. However, with Ryan Johnston missing, Jerome needed to deliver on the day but did not score and was seldom a threat, although it was still a surprise when he was replaced when the match was still in the balance.  They are a reasonably young side, but winning another Down title and getting back into the Ulster series a year from now will be a tough prospect. While encouraging the likes of Ward and a couple of the Branagans to get a run in the county squad would help them, they do things differently in Kilcoo.

To be fair I don't think you can call stamping on a player lying on ground debatable, it was a poor action
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 15, 2017, 11:49:27 PM
There were few complaints from Kilcoo about their two reds but the Slaughtneil coaches were incensed by their own dismissal. It came as a series of tackles were flying in, and it was hard to say exactly how much contact was made in any of them, but hopefully there will be some TG4 coverage tomorrow night which clarifies matters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on October 16, 2017, 12:36:34 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 15, 2017, 11:49:27 PM
There were few complaints from Kilcoo about their two reds but the Slaughtneil coaches were incensed by their own dismissal. It came as a series of tackles were flying in, and it was hard to say exactly how much contact was made in any of them, but hopefully there will be some TG4 coverage tomorrow night which clarifies matters.

Kilcoo red cards were red cards, but just because the slaughneil bench were incensed it wasn't a red card?? One of their players stamped on a kilcoo lad on ground, I actually think the ref sent off the wrong man. As you say if tg4 have coverage will clear it up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 16, 2017, 09:03:09 AM
As I said here a few weeks ago this Kilcoo team are very successful in Down but will never be seen as a brilliant footballing side.They grind teams down and let's be frank play a terrible brand of football.Yesthet have dominated Down for years but the competition  has been terrible to say the least.Only a poor Burren team have challenged them.Club football in Down has been brutal from the mid nougties and it shows with the Down set up.Yes Kilcoo will continue to dominate Down football due to other teams being pathetic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 16, 2017, 09:54:57 AM
SN, it is a simple fact that the Slaughtneil coaches were more exercised than their Kilcoo counterparts about the various dismissals but no one has suggested this automatically means that Slaughtneil red card was unjustified. Your initial post suggested you had seen a Slaughtneil player stamp on a Kilcoo opponent, while your second post said the wrong player may have been sent off, which tends to confirm that there was confusion about what actually happened. The match reports in today's papers describe the Slaughneil red card as either `inexplicable' or `dubious', so it does not appear that a stamp was witnessed from the press box. Hopefully the TG4 coverage tonight will provide some clarity although their highlights can sometimes be very brief. However, regardless of some of the childish comments which have been appearing, Kilcoo remain a fine side who have been unfortunate not to win an Ulster title so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on October 16, 2017, 11:16:39 AM
We will see how many teams get as close to beating Slaughneil as Kilcoo were yesterday, I left last year's Ulster Final with no doubt that Slaughneil were the superior team but coming out of the Park Esler yesterday the two teams were evenly matched and Kilcoo would have been well worth their win if they had managed to get 1 of the 3 clear goal chances! As for the style of Kilcoo's play, have you watched Slaughneil's? Kilcoo are worthy champions of Down and the other clubs do need to up their game if they are to challenge in the next 4/5 years.
Kilcoo are a superb club team and are genuinely in the top tier of Ulster Club football as proved over the past 6 years in the Ulster with significant wins over St Galls, Cross and Scotsctown (in Clones) and two Ulster Final appearances, as an Armagh exile living in Kilcoo I hope Slaughneil get to the final but are beat by Armagh Harps ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 16, 2017, 11:20:33 AM
 Ballyholland showing their true colours on Saturday.Soccer and pints took precedence over fulfilling
a League game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 16, 2017, 04:02:50 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 16, 2017, 11:20:33 AM
Ballyholland showing their true colours on Saturday.Soccer and pints took precedence over fulfilling
a League game.

Lol. Internet chat room rule #3. Why be civilised, honest or curious, when you can be a shit stirring **** instead?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 16, 2017, 06:12:00 PM
Would anyone here have some down yearbooks from 2005 to 2007 and be willing to part with them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 16, 2017, 10:28:03 PM
The TG4 coverage tonight, as suspected, left out all three red cards, so there must be a prospect that Slaughtneil will seek the full tape in support of any appeal by McNeill. What the highlights did confirm was McMullan made an excellent save from the penalty, even though the umpire behind the post waved it wide and was overruled by the referee. It was also clear that Kilcoo's two late goal chances were inches away from finding the net, so, also taking into account two dubious first half points awarded to Slaughtneil, the margins  on the day were incredibly tight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 16, 2017, 10:33:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 16, 2017, 04:02:50 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 16, 2017, 11:20:33 AM
Ballyholland showing their true colours on Saturday.Soccer and pints took precedence over fulfilling
a League game.

Lol. Internet chat room rule #3. Why be civilised, honest or curious, when you can be a shit stirring **** instead?
Ouch. Man Utd or Liverpool? Harp or Swithwicks? Play a League match or not? This is me being civilised,honest and nosey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on October 16, 2017, 11:25:54 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 16, 2017, 10:28:03 PM
The TG4 coverage tonight, as suspected, left out all three red cards, so there must be a prospect that Slaughtneil will seek the full tape in support of any appeal by McNeill. What the highlights did confirm was McMullan made an excellent save from the penalty, even though the umpire behind the post waved it wide and was overruled by the referee. It was also clear that Kilcoo's two late goal chances were inches away from finding the net, so, also taking into account two dubious first half points awarded to Slaughtneil, the margins  on the day were incredibly tight.
Yeah as you said tg4 avoided the controversial decisions, think it was a clear cut pen no matter what me archer in the Irish News today, but then again he didn't get much right!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on October 16, 2017, 11:34:28 PM
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on October 16, 2017, 11:25:54 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 16, 2017, 10:28:03 PM
The TG4 coverage tonight, as suspected, left out all three red cards, so there must be a prospect that Slaughtneil will seek the full tape in support of any appeal by McNeill. What the highlights did confirm was McMullan made an excellent save from the penalty, even though the umpire behind the post waved it wide and was overruled by the referee. It was also clear that Kilcoo's two late goal chances were inches away from finding the net, so, also taking into account two dubious first half points awarded to Slaughtneil, the margins  on the day were incredibly tight.
Yeah as you said tg4 avoided the controversial decisions, think it was a clear cut pen no matter what me archer in the Irish News today, but then again he didn't get much right!!
Mr Archer said in Irish news :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on October 17, 2017, 02:10:03 AM
Tried to find highlights of Sunday's game. S'neill got out of jail. Thon #11 devlin is a g***y. Off the ball all game.  Found this link. Ohanlon scores. Runs towards cross man to hit him. He himself goes down injured. Sums them up

https://youtu.be/cZxfa8OaNc8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on October 17, 2017, 11:22:51 AM
I see Slaughneil are likely to appeal McNeil's red card, to be fair they are right as he did not warrant a red, it was his colleague who stamped on Celium Doc that deserved the red! Or as Kenny Archers says was he just play acting >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 19, 2017, 01:24:34 PM
Championship draw tonight, what's the chances we'll get another home draw? Antrim or Fermanagh at home please!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FermGael on October 19, 2017, 08:48:22 PM
Quote from: Targetman on October 19, 2017, 01:24:34 PM
Championship draw tonight, what's the chances we'll get another home draw? Antrim or Fermanagh at home please!

I hope so. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 19, 2017, 08:57:48 PM
Oh yes that'll do well!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on October 19, 2017, 09:01:30 PM
That's perfect!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 19, 2017, 09:02:09 PM
Great draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gold on October 19, 2017, 09:02:29 PM
What is the draw?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 19, 2017, 09:03:11 PM
Quote from: Gold on October 19, 2017, 09:02:29 PM
What is the draw?

Antrim followed by Derry/Donegal/Cavan in semis for the winner.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gold on October 19, 2017, 09:10:32 PM
Unlucky lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 19, 2017, 09:22:07 PM
Sure it'll be a wee day out in Newry for yous!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EagleLord on October 20, 2017, 10:05:12 AM
Quote from: our_fella on October 17, 2017, 02:10:03 AM
Tried to find highlights of Sunday's game. S'neill got out of jail. Thon #11 devlin is a g***y. Off the ball all game.  Found this link. Ohanlon scores. Runs towards cross man to hit him. He himself goes down injured. Sums them up

https://youtu.be/cZxfa8OaNc8

Deserved all he got there. There can be no complaints from any Kilcoo person over that incident, or any like it. Whats good for the goose..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: crice123 on October 20, 2017, 02:06:53 PM
Gearoid will enjoy that draw ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 21, 2017, 12:00:52 PM
would love to know the predictions for championships next year, from 16s right through to seniors, just a few shouts at each age- 16's , minors, U21, senior- who can out do kilcoo?? Whos got potential in 16s, minors, and who will win U21's??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 21, 2017, 03:05:27 PM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 21, 2017, 12:00:52 PM
would love to know the predictions for championships next year, from 16s right through to seniors, just a few shouts at each age- 16's , minors, U21, senior- who can out do kilcoo?? Whos got potential in 16s, minors, and who will win U21's??
wonder no longer...just pencil in burren for all those questions and move on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 21, 2017, 06:46:31 PM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 21, 2017, 12:00:52 PM
would love to know the predictions for championships next year, from 16s right through to seniors, just a few shouts at each age- 16's , minors, U21, senior- who can out do kilcoo?? Whos got potential in 16s, minors, and who will win U21's??

Just look at this year's grade below and you'll not be far away with your U15 and U17 etc predictions  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 23, 2017, 08:17:48 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 21, 2017, 03:05:27 PM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 21, 2017, 12:00:52 PM
would love to know the predictions for championships next year, from 16s right through to seniors, just a few shouts at each age- 16's , minors, U21, senior- who can out do kilcoo?? Whos got potential in 16s, minors, and who will win U21's??
wonder no longer...just pencil in burren for all those questions and move on.
Typical Burren confidence????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 24, 2017, 01:52:15 PM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 23, 2017, 08:17:48 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 21, 2017, 03:05:27 PM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 21, 2017, 12:00:52 PM
would love to know the predictions for championships next year, from 16s right through to seniors, just a few shouts at each age- 16's , minors, U21, senior- who can out do kilcoo?? Whos got potential in 16s, minors, and who will win U21's??
wonder no longer...just pencil in burren for all those questions and move on.
Typical Burren confidence????

Minors - Kilcoo and Clonduff contested the U16 All County final few weeks ago so both will be thereabouts for the minors this year along with Liatroim and Burren

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 24, 2017, 01:57:25 PM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 23, 2017, 08:17:48 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 21, 2017, 03:05:27 PM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 21, 2017, 12:00:52 PM
would love to know the predictions for championships next year, from 16s right through to seniors, just a few shouts at each age- 16's , minors, U21, senior- who can out do kilcoo?? Whos got potential in 16s, minors, and who will win U21's??
wonder no longer...just pencil in burren for all those questions and move on.
Typical Burren confidence????

Reverse psychology.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 24, 2017, 07:06:06 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on October 24, 2017, 01:52:15 PM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 23, 2017, 08:17:48 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 21, 2017, 03:05:27 PM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 21, 2017, 12:00:52 PM
would love to know the predictions for championships next year, from 16s right through to seniors, just a few shouts at each age- 16's , minors, U21, senior- who can out do kilcoo?? Whos got potential in 16s, minors, and who will win U21's??
wonder no longer...just pencil in burren for all those questions and move on.
Typical Burren confidence????

Minors - Kilcoo and Clonduff contested the U16 All County final few weeks ago so both will be thereabouts for the minors this year along with Liatroim and Burren
Going by the minors last year, i'd agree that kilcoo and clonduff will be there or there abouts. Liatrom i'm not too sure about- losing a lot of players from the team last year. Two of the McCrickards- who are two quality players are moving up. Same with Burren, although they do still have quality players. Can't count out the Belfast teams, while going by the U16 championship final two years ago, Warrenpoint and Ballyholland could be there or there abouts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 24, 2017, 09:51:15 PM
Seconds teams heading for the 4th Division
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 24, 2017, 11:46:44 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 24, 2017, 09:51:15 PM
Seconds teams heading for the 4th Division

one of a few options mooted, so that would not be fact.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on October 24, 2017, 11:56:25 PM
Surely the fourth division teams would vote against this,not to mention the reserve teams themselves?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 25, 2017, 07:42:36 AM
I don't think the division 4 teams would want reserve teams in division 4
Would the be able to compete?
Downjim are use hosting Slaughtneil this weekend before the big Ulster Match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 25, 2017, 11:17:31 AM
Yes Ulster fry's are are specialty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 25, 2017, 11:20:21 AM
On a serious note, would it not benefit Down football to have a better standard in the lower divisions?? With senior matches on at the same time then the reserve panels would not be that strong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on October 25, 2017, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 25, 2017, 11:20:21 AM
On a serious note, would it not benefit Down football to have a better standard in the lower divisions?? With senior matches on at the same time then the reserve panels would not be that strong
I would tend to agree. I assume they would be able to compete in the junior championship? It happens in Armagh and as far as I know apart from some minor opposition the world hasn't ended. I think it would benefit Division 4 more than it would be detrimental. Teams from Division 4 struggle badly in Division 3 so it might help improve the standard overall.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 25, 2017, 01:21:05 PM
Will 2nds teams be elegible for promotion to Div 3?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 25, 2017, 01:42:39 PM
Any first team getting promoted from 4 really will have earned it.  Some of those teams in premier reserve are strong enough. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on October 25, 2017, 01:48:26 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 25, 2017, 11:17:31 AM
Yes Ulster fry's are are specialty

More like Creatine and protein shakes for those lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 25, 2017, 02:00:17 PM
For me this isn't really a mattter of what's better for the county, for senior teams or reserve teams. It's a matter of whether it has a chance in hell of succeeding, and is therefore worth the effort involved.

If implemented, I fundamentally believe it would fall flat on its face within a year or two, due to the pre-existing culture / traditions within the clubs of Down.

The reason why, in 2017, Kerry clubs will happily merge to enter a senior championship is because they always have done. The barriers of suspicion, trust, favouritism and family rivalries might still exist, but they're much, much lower than in a county in which this has never (or rarely) happened. It's what you do if you're a smaller club, in Kerry. It's not what you do if you're a smaller club, in Down.

The reason why, in 2017, Crossmaglen and a few others can enter seconds teams in the Armagh leagues is becasue they always have done. There is an ethos within the club to support two senior football sides, and while I'm sure every year it poses a few pressure points, there will be a tranche of people within the club determined to keep it this way. As long as those people exist, two teams can exist.

We don't have that history / tradition in Down (not in the past 30 years anyway), so what this proposal needs for it to work, is clubs that are committed to changing their existing ways of doing things; clubs that can generate the (willing) manpower to split their efforts in two each Friday night, not just in terms of players, but in terms of management, administration, grounds staff, medical teams, and supporters.

From my own perspective, I have family and work commitments that makes it difficult to get to some senior games. But if Ballyholland were playing an ACFLI match in Castlewellan and simultaneously an ACFL4 game in Ballyholland, I'd be attending the former, even though it's an extra hour round trip. And that's me who has been a seconds footballer and mentor my entire life. I'd expect that larger clubs than my own would have a greater level of manpower to call on to run two teams. But, be honest, would they be willing?

I just don't see it myself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on October 25, 2017, 02:22:05 PM
Armagh teams have not always enterted seconds teams. In the last 20 or so years Crossmaglen are the only team to have done so, with Killeavy (until this month an intermediate team) and Cullyhanna following suit in recent years. Other clubs have dabbled and it remains to be seen each year which teams will forward a seconds team. I don't see why such fluidity shouldn't be afforded in Down and in fact I don't see what there is to lose. At the end of the day only teams who feel they have the playing numbers and willingness to make it work will enter teams anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 26, 2017, 12:09:02 AM
The top 6 Seconds teams would defiantly compete in Division 4. It would basically be the current Premier Reserve Championship squads playing these games if they were at the same time. I'd say a few of the Seconds teams could give the Div 4 and Junior Chanpionship a good rattle. I believe a Seconds team would not be able to go any further than Div 3 under the proposals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 26, 2017, 09:31:00 AM
I don't think there is many clubs in down could set up with 2 senior teams on a Friday night. It wouldn't just be a matter of the premier reserve team playing because at least 10 (if not all of it in the case of the bigger sides with 30+ togged out on a Friday night) of that side is togged out for the 1st team. We are down to only a handful of clubs now that can field a 3rds team now (only 7 that I can think of) and 2 of them are in the 2nd division. That would tell you that there's not many clubs with 45 players which is what you would need to make that work. But maybe it would encourage more players to stay on in that drop out age if they're playing div 3 or 4 on a Friday instead of reserve football on a Sunday. From my own experience Sundays don't seem to be working for young fellas now - Saturday nights seem to last longer than when I was younger.

There's also big questions to ask to how it works. If you play for the 1st team does that automatically rule you out for the 2nd team? There's the whole issue with regular football for lads too. How do you manage to name a squad of say 25 players and tell the last couple of lads on that panel they more than likely won't get a game week in week out. At the minute those lads at least can play for the 2nds on a Sunday after. Maybe that's not a issue in the bigger clubs though. It would be interesting to hear the view from the big clubs on it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 26, 2017, 04:53:36 PM
How do we define a (B) team?
The current system of naming a Top 13 within a club who are only allowed to play for the (A) team is abused by many clubs. Does this need reviewed and redefined?
Are (B) teams only allowed into the ACFL where a club is also fielding a 3rd team in Reserve football?
Would it be fair to say a player can only represent 1 team in the ACFL1,2,3,4 in a season?
Or a player can move up to the (A) team but not down to the (B) team?
Resulting in players dropping from the (A) to the (C) team in the Reserve league when out of favour.
If a player has played Senior Championship the previous season should he be allowed to play Junior Championship the next?
All Question needing answered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 27, 2017, 02:08:37 AM
Would a top 16 work?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 27, 2017, 09:15:47 AM
Quote from: eyeswideopen on October 26, 2017, 04:53:36 PM
How do we define a (B) team?
The current system of naming a Top 13 within a club who are only allowed to play for the (A) team is abused by many clubs. Does this need reviewed and redefined?
Are (B) teams only allowed into the ACFL where a club is also fielding a 3rd team in Reserve football?
Would it be fair to say a player can only represent 1 team in the ACFL1,2,3,4 in a season?
Or a player can move up to the (A) team but not down to the (B) team?
Resulting in players dropping from the (A) to the (C) team in the Reserve league when out of favour.
If a player has played Senior Championship the previous season should he be allowed to play Junior Championship the next?
All Question needing answered.

Don't think it is any more to be fair. A bit more attention paid to it now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 27, 2017, 10:34:45 AM
I think it is a positive thing that Down CCC are always looking at ways to improve our competitions and there has obviously been a lot of thought go into these new proposals. However, I'm not sure it will work.
Clubs like Kilcoo and Burren are increasingly using the depth of their panel to get through their Division 1 campaigns. Both probably used at least 30 different players this year.
I've no doubt the likes of Kilcoo, Burren, Clonduff and Mayobridge could cater for two senior teams in the ACFL structure.
Looking at the Armagh model the likes of Crossmaglen II's and Cullyhanna II's have essentially become a distinct entity within their club. But do our top clubs have the desire to run two teams on Friday night? Think of the logistics and personnel required to do this. Then there are the demands of the first team manager who may want 27/28 players to travel with his squad.
I'd be more inclined to see things stay how they are in this instance.
For me, and I've mooted it before, but four divisions of eight teams and one division of ten teams I think is and always has been our best option.
A two way league gives 14 fixtures for the top four divisions and 18 fixtures for the fifth division. After the league proper in the top four divisions the top four teams would go into a round robin playoff system with the top two teams at the end of this earning promotion and the top placed team winning the league. The bottom four teams would enter a relegation playoff round robin series with the bottom two getting relegated. In division five the top four teams would contest the promotion playoff only.
This all guarantees a definitive 17 league games per season for divisions 1 to 4 and at least 18 (maximum of 21) in division 5. I also think it would provide for much sterner competition and allows for a bit more flexibility with the calendar.
To add to this I'd bring in a Novice Championship. It would be essentially the fourth grade after the SFC, IFC and JFC. Teams beaten in the preliminary round and quarter finals of the JFC would then enter the NFC. Teams at the bottom of the basement division need something to strive for. The establishment of the Donard Cup and Shield has gone someway to addressing this but a proper Novice Championship would add a lot more prestige and value. Cork and Kerry run with one of these two.

Could look something like this going on this year's league positions:

Division 1

Castlewellan - Warrenpoint - Mayobridge - Burren - Kilcoo - Bryansford - Clonduff - Downpatrick

Division 2

Ballyholland - An Riocht - Longstone - Glenn - Saval - Rostrevor - Carryduff - Loughinisland

Division 3

Bredagh - St John's - Liatroim - Darragh Cross - Ballymartin - Shamrocks - Annaclone - Drumaness

Division 4

Tullylish - Clann na Banna - Drumgath - Saul - Glasdrumman - Bosco - Dundrum - Atticall

Division 5

Teconnaught - St Paul's - Ardglass - Dromara - Kilclief - St Michael's - Bright - Mitchels - Aghaderg - Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 27, 2017, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 27, 2017, 10:34:45 AM
I think it is a positive thing that Down CCC are always looking at ways to improve our competitions and there has obviously been a lot of thought go into these new proposals. However, I'm not sure it will work.
Clubs like Kilcoo and Burren are increasingly using the depth of their panel to get through their Division 1 campaigns. Both probably used at least 30 different players this year.
I've no doubt the likes of Kilcoo, Burren, Clonduff and Mayobridge could cater for two senior teams in the ACFL structure.
Looking at the Armagh model the likes of Crossmaglen II's and Cullyhanna II's have essentially become a distinct entity within their club. But do our top clubs have the desire to run two teams on Friday night? Think of the logistics and personnel required to do this. Then there are the demands of the first team manager who may want 27/28 players to travel with his squad.
I'd be more inclined to see things stay how they are in this instance.
For me, and I've mooted it before, but four divisions of eight teams and one division of ten teams I think is and always has been our best option.
A two way league gives 14 fixtures for the top four divisions and 18 fixtures for the fifth division. After the league proper in the top four divisions the top four teams would go into a round robin playoff system with the top two teams at the end of this earning promotion and the top placed team winning the league. The bottom four teams would enter a relegation playoff round robin series with the bottom two getting relegated. In division five the top four teams would contest the promotion playoff only.
This all guarantees a definitive 17 league games per season for divisions 1 to 4 and at least 18 (maximum of 21) in division 5. I also think it would provide for much sterner competition and allows for a bit more flexibility with the calendar.
To add to this I'd bring in a Novice Championship. It would be essentially the fourth grade after the SFC, IFC and JFC. Teams beaten in the preliminary round and quarter finals of the JFC would then enter the NFC. Teams at the bottom of the basement division need something to strive for. The establishment of the Donard Cup and Shield has gone someway to addressing this but a proper Novice Championship would add a lot more prestige and value. Cork and Kerry run with one of these two.

Could look something like this going on this year's league positions:

Division 1

Castlewellan - Warrenpoint - Mayobridge - Burren - Kilcoo - Bryansford - Clonduff - Downpatrick

Division 2

Ballyholland - An Riocht - Longstone - Glenn - Saval - Rostrevor - Carryduff - Loughinisland

Division 3

Bredagh - St John's - Liatroim - Darragh Cross - Ballymartin - Shamrocks - Annaclone - Drumaness

Division 4

Tullylish - Clann na Banna - Drumgath - Saul - Glasdrumman - Bosco - Dundrum - Atticall

Division 5

Teconnaught - St Paul's - Ardglass - Dromara - Kilclief - St Michael's - Bright - Mitchels - Aghaderg - Ballykinlar

Like the look of that set up. How would championship work? Div1&2 = SFC, Div3&4 = IFC and Div5 = JFC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on October 27, 2017, 12:37:44 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on October 27, 2017, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 27, 2017, 10:34:45 AM
I think it is a positive thing that Down CCC are always looking at ways to improve our competitions and there has obviously been a lot of thought go into these new proposals. However, I'm not sure it will work.
Clubs like Kilcoo and Burren are increasingly using the depth of their panel to get through their Division 1 campaigns. Both probably used at least 30 different players this year.
I've no doubt the likes of Kilcoo, Burren, Clonduff and Mayobridge could cater for two senior teams in the ACFL structure.
Looking at the Armagh model the likes of Crossmaglen II's and Cullyhanna II's have essentially become a distinct entity within their club. But do our top clubs have the desire to run two teams on Friday night? Think of the logistics and personnel required to do this. Then there are the demands of the first team manager who may want 27/28 players to travel with his squad.
I'd be more inclined to see things stay how they are in this instance.
For me, and I've mooted it before, but four divisions of eight teams and one division of ten teams I think is and always has been our best option.
A two way league gives 14 fixtures for the top four divisions and 18 fixtures for the fifth division. After the league proper in the top four divisions the top four teams would go into a round robin playoff system with the top two teams at the end of this earning promotion and the top placed team winning the league. The bottom four teams would enter a relegation playoff round robin series with the bottom two getting relegated. In division five the top four teams would contest the promotion playoff only.
This all guarantees a definitive 17 league games per season for divisions 1 to 4 and at least 18 (maximum of 21) in division 5. I also think it would provide for much sterner competition and allows for a bit more flexibility with the calendar.
To add to this I'd bring in a Novice Championship. It would be essentially the fourth grade after the SFC, IFC and JFC. Teams beaten in the preliminary round and quarter finals of the JFC would then enter the NFC. Teams at the bottom of the basement division need something to strive for. The establishment of the Donard Cup and Shield has gone someway to addressing this but a proper Novice Championship would add a lot more prestige and value. Cork and Kerry run with one of these two.

Could look something like this going on this year's league positions:

Division 1

Castlewellan - Warrenpoint - Mayobridge - Burren - Kilcoo - Bryansford - Clonduff - Downpatrick

Division 2

Ballyholland - An Riocht - Longstone - Glenn - Saval - Rostrevor - Carryduff - Loughinisland

Division 3

Bredagh - St John's - Liatroim - Darragh Cross - Ballymartin - Shamrocks - Annaclone - Drumaness

Division 4

Tullylish - Clann na Banna - Drumgath - Saul - Glasdrumman - Bosco - Dundrum - Atticall

Division 5

Teconnaught - St Paul's - Ardglass - Dromara - Kilclief - St Michael's - Bright - Mitchels - Aghaderg - Ballykinlar

Like the look of that set up. How would championship work? Div1&2 = SFC, Div3&4 = IFC and Div5 = JFC?

Have to agree looks ideal based on the current strength of clubs. Apart from the odd team it would be difficult predict results in alot of the Divisions. I like the 12 team setups atm but I feel wr need to revert the championship back to straight knockout. When you have a small panel and are having to play 25/26 games fatigue/injury kicks in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 27, 2017, 01:42:19 PM
Back in the 80's I seem to remember Annsborough playing in division 5 against Castlewellan seconds

To put the best six premier reserves into Division 4 is madness as the premier reserves would give most of the current div 3 teams a run for their money. would be better putting all six into div 3 now than death by a thousand cuts. and why will they not because you could have a team or two promoted to div 2 in the first year.

its not just division 4 that should be concerned but every club outwith div 1

I am all for improvements but this only improves things for the establishment clubs, the big clubs in Down that need to cater for 30 - 45 players, another thing it will need more referees and therein lies the main reason why it wont work period








Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 27, 2017, 01:44:55 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 27, 2017, 10:34:45 AM
I think it is a positive thing that Down CCC are always looking at ways to improve our competitions and there has obviously been a lot of thought go into these new proposals. However, I'm not sure it will work.
Clubs like Kilcoo and Burren are increasingly using the depth of their panel to get through their Division 1 campaigns. Both probably used at least 30 different players this year.
I've no doubt the likes of Kilcoo, Burren, Clonduff and Mayobridge could cater for two senior teams in the ACFL structure.
Looking at the Armagh model the likes of Crossmaglen II's and Cullyhanna II's have essentially become a distinct entity within their club. But do our top clubs have the desire to run two teams on Friday night? Think of the logistics and personnel required to do this. Then there are the demands of the first team manager who may want 27/28 players to travel with his squad.
I'd be more inclined to see things stay how they are in this instance.
For me, and I've mooted it before, but four divisions of eight teams and one division of ten teams I think is and always has been our best option.
A two way league gives 14 fixtures for the top four divisions and 18 fixtures for the fifth division. After the league proper in the top four divisions the top four teams would go into a round robin playoff system with the top two teams at the end of this earning promotion and the top placed team winning the league. The bottom four teams would enter a relegation playoff round robin series with the bottom two getting relegated. In division five the top four teams would contest the promotion playoff only.
This all guarantees a definitive 17 league games per season for divisions 1 to 4 and at least 18 (maximum of 21) in division 5. I also think it would provide for much sterner competition and allows for a bit more flexibility with the calendar.
To add to this I'd bring in a Novice Championship. It would be essentially the fourth grade after the SFC, IFC and JFC. Teams beaten in the preliminary round and quarter finals of the JFC would then enter the NFC. Teams at the bottom of the basement division need something to strive for. The establishment of the Donard Cup and Shield has gone someway to addressing this but a proper Novice Championship would add a lot more prestige and value. Cork and Kerry run with one of these two.

Could look something like this going on this year's league positions:

Division 1

Castlewellan - Warrenpoint - Mayobridge - Burren - Kilcoo - Bryansford - Clonduff - Downpatrick

Division 2

Ballyholland - An Riocht - Longstone - Glenn - Saval - Rostrevor - Carryduff - Loughinisland

Division 3

Bredagh - St John's - Liatroim - Darragh Cross - Ballymartin - Shamrocks - Annaclone - Drumaness

Division 4

Tullylish - Clann na Banna - Drumgath - Saul - Glasdrumman - Bosco - Dundrum - Atticall

Division 5

Teconnaught - St Paul's - Ardglass - Dromara - Kilclief - St Michael's - Bright - Mitchels - Aghaderg - Ballykinlar

I do like this suggestion and would go as far to say put it forward as a suggestion for the Down convention
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on October 27, 2017, 02:58:07 PM
Down Fanatics proposal is basically what Armagh have minus the play offs. I'm not sure how I feel about a team finishing top of a league then having to win a play off to win it.

Quote from: Lecale Gael on October 27, 2017, 01:42:19 PM
Back in the 80's I seem to remember Annsborough playing in division 5 against Castlewellan seconds

To put the best six premier reserves into Division 4 is madness as the premier reserves would give most of the current div 3 teams a run for their money. would be better putting all six into div 3 now than death by a thousand cuts. and why will they not because you could have a team or two promoted to div 2 in the first year.

its not just division 4 that should be concerned but every club outwith div 1

I am all for improvements but this only improves things for the establishment clubs, the big clubs in Down that need to cater for 30 - 45 players, another thing it will need more referees and therein lies the main reason why it wont work period
Surely improving the standard at lower levels will improve the standard overall? Seconds teams also competed in junior championship before with Clonduff and Castlewellan winning titles in early 90s. There's no guarantee it will be a cake walk this time though providing proper rules are put in place and are well enforced. And surely if you take 6 teams away from premier reserve there'll be less matches that needed refereed there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on October 27, 2017, 03:21:06 PM
One comment I see being brought up recently is that smaller clubs seem to be able to retain youth players better than the bigger clubs as with a smaller club once your out of minor and if you're of decent standard your straight into the senior and more inclined to stick around and go into further education/work in Northern Ireland

If you're an 18 year old in a bigger club, you probably know it going to 4/5 years until you get into their senior side, you're more likely inclined to go to Uni accross the water and give up GAA all together

Not sure what the stats are for this.

In reality the  reserve teams in Div 3/4 are only going to strengthen the bigger clubs but at the same time should increase the numbers playing in the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 27, 2017, 03:43:12 PM
Quote from: qubdub on October 27, 2017, 02:58:07 PM
Down Fanatics proposal is basically what Armagh have minus the play offs. I'm not sure how I feel about a team finishing top of a league then having to win a play off to win it.

Quote from: Lecale Gael on October 27, 2017, 01:42:19 PM
Back in the 80's I seem to remember Annsborough playing in division 5 against Castlewellan seconds

To put the best six premier reserves into Division 4 is madness as the premier reserves would give most of the current div 3 teams a run for their money. would be better putting all six into div 3 now than death by a thousand cuts. and why will they not because you could have a team or two promoted to div 2 in the first year.

its not just division 4 that should be concerned but every club outwith div 1

I am all for improvements but this only improves things for the establishment clubs, the big clubs in Down that need to cater for 30 - 45 players, another thing it will need more referees and therein lies the main reason why it wont work period
Surely improving the standard at lower levels will improve the standard overall? Seconds teams also competed in junior championship before with Clonduff and Castlewellan winning titles in early 90s. There's no guarantee it will be a cake walk this time though providing proper rules are put in place and are well enforced. And surely if you take 6 teams away from premier reserve there'll be less matches that needed refereed there?

It's not. Armagh has six divisions. A and B sections in senior, intermediate and junior leagues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 27, 2017, 04:28:10 PM
There wasnt a whole lot wrong with this year was there?
The biggest problem comes at the end of the year when teams, with nothing to play for, go through the motions.  That is the result of not having any playoffs.  Only the bottom 2 or 3 teams in Div 2 have anything to play for.  All else is sown up from Div 1 to Div 4 and mostly has been for some time.
If there are not going to be league playoffs, then it is probably a better option to finish the leagues before championship is played.
Aside from that, most of the year saw competitive games throughout.  The bigger clubs with more county players are victims of their own success when they lose them to the county for that spring/summer period but I dont think anyone would want to go to a place where we dont play games because county players arent available. 

Most weeks there was a game on the Friday night, and the championship back door I think works alright.  You sense the anticipation of the quarter finals coming and whats wrong with having a few games to sort that out!

Reserve leagues finishing up earlier also well, although why some regional reserve games are still happening I have no idea.  I think U20/21 should run earlier in the year as well.

I have no problem with the co board looking at alternatives as we should always strive to get the optimal set up but as others have said, the premier teams competing in Div 4 will prove a logistical nightmare for most clubs involved.  If they can do it then more power to them and is bound to provide a stronger first team in years to come for those who can.  Down Fanatics proposal is not half bad but it introduces the play offs idea again which people wanted rid off just a few years ago. 

Ultimately, you want a game every week, you want as many players as possible to get a game, you want the 18-20 group looked after and kept involved while also not overbearing them, ideally you want each game to matter, and you want the cream coming to the top by the end of September/October.   Whichever system gets as close to that is the one I would choose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on October 27, 2017, 04:39:05 PM
Main problem this year was that county management had too much power when it came to the starring of fixtures. Our own club had someone on the county panel who played no championship minutes and was unavailable for the club for around 7/8 weeks. A bit of common sense should have prevailed here but it didn't

In that time frame we had three draws and two one point defeats, not saying we would have won those matches and although not a fan of playoff when you have one side not being able to field their strongest side for a 7/8 week period and someone finishing above you who had no one in the county panel something needs to be done to address this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 27, 2017, 05:01:21 PM
Overall our league set up is pretty good - regular games on Friday nights mostly. This year the county team doing better than expected caused issues with fixtures. If we want to allow for something like this and getting leagues finished up before the championship, reducing the leagues to 10 teams could be a easy solution.

On the reserve leagues it's mad they're still going now but it came down to the fact there was next to no games played during the championship period. It's nearly impossible to sort reserve football out. Its the same all over the country though. Smaller league groups would maybe help next year. I think there was too many teams to work around this year in the south down league anyway. There always seems to be something on in clubs on sundays. Everything from tractor runs to fun runs get games moved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: eyeswideopen on October 27, 2017, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 27, 2017, 10:34:45 AM
I think it is a positive thing that Down CCC are always looking at ways to improve our competitions and there has obviously been a lot of thought go into these new proposals. However, I'm not sure it will work.
Clubs like Kilcoo and Burren are increasingly using the depth of their panel to get through their Division 1 campaigns. Both probably used at least 30 different players this year.
I've no doubt the likes of Kilcoo, Burren, Clonduff and Mayobridge could cater for two senior teams in the ACFL structure.
Looking at the Armagh model the likes of Crossmaglen II's and Cullyhanna II's have essentially become a distinct entity within their club. But do our top clubs have the desire to run two teams on Friday night? Think of the logistics and personnel required to do this. Then there are the demands of the first team manager who may want 27/28 players to travel with his squad.
I'd be more inclined to see things stay how they are in this instance.
For me, and I've mooted it before, but four divisions of eight teams and one division of ten teams I think is and always has been our best option.
A two way league gives 14 fixtures for the top four divisions and 18 fixtures for the fifth division. After the league proper in the top four divisions the top four teams would go into a round robin playoff system with the top two teams at the end of this earning promotion and the top placed team winning the league. The bottom four teams would enter a relegation playoff round robin series with the bottom two getting relegated. In division five the top four teams would contest the promotion playoff only.
This all guarantees a definitive 17 league games per season for divisions 1 to 4 and at least 18 (maximum of 21) in division 5. I also think it would provide for much sterner competition and allows for a bit more flexibility with the calendar.
To add to this I'd bring in a Novice Championship. It would be essentially the fourth grade after the SFC, IFC and JFC. Teams beaten in the preliminary round and quarter finals of the JFC would then enter the NFC. Teams at the bottom of the basement division need something to strive for. The establishment of the Donard Cup and Shield has gone someway to addressing this but a proper Novice Championship would add a lot more prestige and value. Cork and Kerry run with one of these two.

Could look something like this going on this year's league positions:

Division 1

Castlewellan - Warrenpoint - Mayobridge - Burren - Kilcoo - Bryansford - Clonduff - Downpatrick

Division 2

Ballyholland - An Riocht - Longstone - Glenn - Saval - Rostrevor - Carryduff - Loughinisland

Division 3

Bredagh - St John's - Liatroim - Darragh Cross - Ballymartin - Shamrocks - Annaclone - Drumaness

Division 4

Tullylish - Clann na Banna - Drumgath - Saul - Glasdrumman - Bosco - Dundrum - Atticall

Division 5

Teconnaught - St Paul's - Ardglass - Dromara - Kilclief - St Michael's - Bright - Mitchels - Aghaderg - Ballykinlar

Not bad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 27, 2017, 09:34:32 PM
I like it. Would prefer 10 teams but there's merit in 8.

The playoffs are essential. They were the reason why teams could play starred fixtures safe in the knowledge that all hands would be on deck for the push to stay up.

I'd suggest that the general apathy to club football the past 5-6 weeks is because the games don't matter. With playoffs you still need a focus after leaving the championship.

We played through to Halloween throughout the 90s and 00s and momentum stayed til the end of the season because of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 27, 2017, 09:38:41 PM
Quote from: qubdub on October 27, 2017, 02:58:07 PM
Down Fanatics proposal is basically what Armagh have minus the play offs. I'm not sure how I feel about a team finishing top of a league then having to win a play off to win it.

Quote from: Lecale Gael on October 27, 2017, 01:42:19 PM
Back in the 80's I seem to remember Annsborough playing in division 5 against Castlewellan seconds

To put the best six premier reserves into Division 4 is madness as the premier reserves would give most of the current div 3 teams a run for their money. would be better putting all six into div 3 now than death by a thousand cuts. and why will they not because you could have a team or two promoted to div 2 in the first year.

its not just division 4 that should be concerned but every club outwith div 1

I am all for improvements but this only improves things for the establishment clubs, the big clubs in Down that need to cater for 30 - 45 players, another thing it will need more referees and therein lies the main reason why it wont work period
Surely improving the standard at lower levels will improve the standard overall? Seconds teams also competed in junior championship before with Clonduff and Castlewellan winning titles in early 90s. There's no guarantee it will be a cake walk this time though providing proper rules are put in place and are well enforced. And surely if you take 6 teams away from premier reserve there'll be less matches that needed refereed there?

more matches on Friday nights if you read the options
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: on the hop on October 28, 2017, 06:24:11 PM
completely off the point, but I have a facebook page called gaa programme collectors. this year I am trying to collect the 70 odd county final programmes throughout the country. doing well so far but I am finding it hard to source a lot of them in ulster but especially the down hurling or football ones. looking for any advice or help where they can be got. I can be contacted through the Facebook page. thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 30, 2017, 08:55:35 PM
Serious question: if one of your senior players announced that they were joining the psni, how would they be recieved within their community?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on October 31, 2017, 02:09:26 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 30, 2017, 08:55:35 PM
Serious question: if one of your senior players announced that they were joining the psni, how would they be recieved within their community?

Big difference between how it should be treated and how it would be treated I would expect. However local issues aside people don't like their mates joining the cops. When I was in England one of our regular football mates joined the police force shortly before I left. I was back one time and asked about him and it turned out no one spoke to him now. They didn't fall out just all the other lads stopped calling or inviting him places. Just a general feeling they would prefer not to hang around with a copper made them feel uneasy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 02, 2017, 02:23:53 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 30, 2017, 08:55:35 PM
Serious question: if one of your senior players announced that they were joining the psni, how would they be recieved within their community?
Serious answer Downjim.The whole idea of this is probably beyond your IQ level so just settle down to a level of thought down near the lower echelons of real life and the times where we are currently at in the political process.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 02, 2017, 09:00:24 AM
Quote from: wobbller on November 02, 2017, 02:23:53 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 30, 2017, 08:55:35 PM
Serious question: if one of your senior players announced that they were joining the psni, how would they be recieved within their community?
Serious answer Downjim.The whole idea of this is probably beyond your IQ level so just settle down to a level of thought down near the lower echelons of real life and the times where we are currently at in the political process.

I don't think you're following the main forum if you think this is a random question out of nowhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 02, 2017, 01:31:34 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 02, 2017, 09:00:24 AM
Quote from: wobbller on November 02, 2017, 02:23:53 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 30, 2017, 08:55:35 PM
Serious question: if one of your senior players announced that they were joining the psni, how would they be recieved within their community?
Serious answer Downjim.The whole idea of this is probably beyond your IQ level so just settle down to a level of thought down near the lower echelons of real life and the times where we are currently at in the political process.

I don't think you're following the main forum if you think this is a random question out of nowhere.
I am following the main Forum but keep it over there.DownJim needs to be stirring something so let him take his potshot over there among the experts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 02, 2017, 02:17:04 PM
Did downjim stir the soup for sluaghtneil
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on November 02, 2017, 03:24:28 PM
Poacher to the stone?????????????????????????????????????????????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnny McCumiskey on November 02, 2017, 07:51:46 PM
After reading today's Irish News about the Loughinisland massacre would any body in there right mind want to join the P.S.N.I.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 03, 2017, 11:03:50 AM
Johnny that was disgraceful but should we not be supportive of the youth now who want to change the police ?

Hopefully Poacher is away from Div 1 next season🙏🙏
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 04, 2017, 03:47:40 PM
Result from Paul McGirr tournament, Kilcoo 8-10 Castleblaney 1-5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 04, 2017, 08:15:58 PM
Poacher going no where
Why would the Harps let the best manager in Down go
He is the man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA GAA Land on November 05, 2017, 05:14:46 AM
Quote from: Johnny McCumiskey on November 02, 2017, 07:51:46 PM
After reading today's Irish News about the Loughinisland massacre would any body in there right mind want to join the P.S.N.I.
Strongly suggest you read Brolly's article about Peadar Heffron. I Would hope you wouldn't repeat the mistakes of some Creggan Kickhams members if a player from your club were to join.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 05, 2017, 08:05:02 AM
Quote from: GAA GAA Land on November 05, 2017, 05:14:46 AM
Quote from: Johnny McCumiskey on November 02, 2017, 07:51:46 PM
After reading today's Irish News about the Loughinisland massacre would any body in there right mind want to join the P.S.N.I.
Strongly suggest you read Brolly's article about Peadar Heffron. I Would hope you wouldn't repeat the mistakes of some Creggan Kickhams members if a player from your club were to join.

You should read what some Kickham's members are writing about the article to see Brolly was incredibly liberal with the truth.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 05, 2017, 05:53:24 PM
Castlewellan not happy with Ballyholland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 05, 2017, 06:35:42 PM
Why Jim?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 05, 2017, 07:10:49 PM
They never fielded against Castlewellan but they basically played a senior team versus the mighty  Bridge thirds in a reserve league final  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 05, 2017, 08:50:40 PM
Wobbler 5sams all joking aside would you be happy with the way your year went with Ballyholland?
Finished 4th from bottom in division 1
Beat 2 division 2 teams in the championship
And failed to field on 2 occasions?
Not a great year for a club with some great underage success over the years?
Who is leading the way at the club if you don't mind me asking?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA GAA Land on November 05, 2017, 10:21:08 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 05, 2017, 08:05:02 AM
Quote from: GAA GAA Land on November 05, 2017, 05:14:46 AM
Quote from: Johnny McCumiskey on November 02, 2017, 07:51:46 PM
After reading today's Irish News about the Loughinisland massacre would any body in there right mind want to join the P.S.N.I.
Strongly suggest you read Brolly's article about Peadar Heffron. I Would hope you wouldn't repeat the mistakes of some Creggan Kickhams members if a player from your club were to join.

You should read what some Kickham's members are writing about the article to see Brolly was incredibly liberal with the truth.
I have read what some members have said and no doubt Brolly, as per usual, has sensationalised a fair bit but it is the view that Johnny McCumiskey holds which is a dangerous one. Saying no one in their right might would want to join the P.S.N.I. is incredibly polarising and goes to show the hatred is still there for a uniform despite who wears it. Peadar Heffron joined the force for all the right reasons and some GAA members at this moment may also be willing to join the PSNI for the same reasons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on November 06, 2017, 01:53:58 AM
Could we not leave this kind of talk to the relevant thread boys? I have political views,just like we all do. Wouldn't dream of bringing them up at the side of a pitch and don't see why on this forum should be different.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on November 06, 2017, 11:28:30 AM
Youre right Jim...Shane O'Hare and Pluggy Barry are mighty men for a "3rds Team"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on November 06, 2017, 07:13:45 PM
Can we not all agree that the league should have finished a while ago? I'd say its damn difficult for teams like Ballyholland who would have a very small panel to keep players playing into the start of November. Maybe Ballyholland will need a bigger panel of players for next year to prevent this. However it is different for Castlewellan who are playing for the league. Its the County boards fault- and it needs to change for next season. So I'd say Castlewellan can keep there complaints to themselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 11, 2017, 03:53:44 PM
Good to see the heavyweights in division four stopping the seconds teams going into the senior leagues
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Post by: eyeswideopen on November 11, 2017, 11:25:34 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 11, 2017, 03:53:44 PM
Good to see the heavyweights in division four stopping the seconds teams going into the senior leagues

What has happened on this front?
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Post by: umpire on November 12, 2017, 05:15:02 PM
Congratulations to Rostrevor on winning today Ulster Intermediate championship semi final against Milford of Donegal by 0.13 to 0.12

Final in 2 weeks time against Moy of Tyrone

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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 12, 2017, 05:39:17 PM
Well done Rostrevor on a great win
Shane Mulholland working his magic
It will be a great final
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Post by: Lecale Gael on November 13, 2017, 01:33:03 AM
Quote from: downjim on November 11, 2017, 03:53:44 PM
Good to see the heavyweights in division four stopping the seconds teams going into the senior leagues

proper order too. you don't mess with junior clubs
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Post by: crice123 on November 13, 2017, 09:15:30 PM
I hear rostrevor vs the moy are on before the senior final anyword on this being true??🔴⚫️
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Post by: supersub on November 13, 2017, 10:27:45 PM
Correct 1pm & 3pm
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Post by: elk on November 14, 2017, 12:25:14 PM
If they beat Moy, is this Rostrevor team capable of going all the way and winning the AI?
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Post by: befair on November 14, 2017, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: elk on November 14, 2017, 12:25:14 PM
If they beat Moy, is this Rostrevor team capable of going all the way and winning the AI?

Not sure, the Kavanaghs were formidable in the first semi-final for Moy and will be hard to handle. Rostrevor are a very young team, and were electric for the first 15 mins, when they built a winning lead, but seemed to lose composure afterwards. It would be great to see them win, especially for Sean Parr, who has been one of the best footballers in the county for the last ten years; if he'd been on the pitch against Cork in 2010 we might have taken Sam home
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 15, 2017, 08:26:18 AM
Quote from: befair on November 14, 2017, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: elk on November 14, 2017, 12:25:14 PM
If they beat Moy, is this Rostrevor team capable of going all the way and winning the AI?

Not sure, the Kavanaghs were formidable in the first semi-final for Moy and will be hard to handle. Rostrevor are a very young team, and were electric for the first 15 mins, when they built a winning lead, but seemed to lose composure afterwards. It would be great to see them win, especially for Sean Parr, who has been one of the best footballers in the county for the last ten years; if he'd been on the pitch against Cork in 2010 we might have taken Sam home

Undoubtedly.
That's where it went wrong.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2017, 08:43:10 AM
No disrespect to Sean Parr good player maybe should have got a run with Down but that's as far as it goes.
We are always quick to build people up when they are going well.Its intermediate football and Rostrevor have not really set the world alight this 10 years
Yes Sean is a good player but with complete respect to him we have lots of them in Down
Would he make the current Down team?
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Post by: supersub on November 15, 2017, 08:55:10 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2017, 08:43:10 AM
No disrespect to Sean Parr good player maybe should have got a run with Down but that's as far as it goes.
We are always quick to build people up when they are going well.Its intermediate football and Rostrevor have not really set the world alight this 10 years
Yes Sean is a good player but with complete respect to him we have lots of them in Down
Would he make the current Down team?

Without a shadow of a doubt.

Intermediate or Senior he is and has been the stand out player for Rostrevor over the ten years you speak of. Class, composure and quality in any position he plays. He would be good enough to hold a place on any Down team from the last ten years. It has been his choice not to take the option of County football.

Moy are heavy favourites for the final as some bookmakers have made it clear! An Gaeltacht must be some outfit also as they are odds on for the Intermediate All Ireland.
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Post by: gaaman2016 on November 15, 2017, 09:15:19 AM
Ulster and All Ireland Intermediate is a funny one

In 2015 we won our first three match's at a canter and in the final we won on a scoreline of 4-01 to 0-10. We finished 2nd in Division 2 that year and most of the teams we played would have been Division 2 teams aswell. At that stage we had 16 team  divisions but some of the teams we played only had 8 in a division. In terms of league position we were the 18th best team in Down but in other counties, the team we were playing were 9/10th in their respective county

When we got through to the All Ireland Final, the team we played from Mayo had finished 2nd in Division 1 and from a physical point of view where a completely different animal to anything we faced in Ulster where apart from the Ulster final (which was played in horrible conditions in Owenbeg) we tore every team to shreds by at least 10 points.

We lost by 5 from what I recall and the Mayo team then got well beat by the Kerry team a couple of weeks later.

If the Mayo team that beat us was in Down, I would say they would have easily have been a top 4 side
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 15, 2017, 11:06:19 AM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on November 15, 2017, 09:15:19 AM
Ulster and All Ireland Intermediate is a funny one

In 2015 we won our first three match's at a canter and in the final we won on a scoreline of 4-01 to 0-10. We finished 2nd in Division 2 that year and most of the teams we played would have been Division 2 teams aswell. At that stage we had 16 team  divisions but some of the teams we played only had 8 in a division. In terms of league position we were the 18th best team in Down but in other counties, the team we were playing were 9/10th in their respective county

When we got through to the All Ireland Final, the team we played from Mayo had finished 2nd in Division 1 and from a physical point of view where a completely different animal to anything we faced in Ulster where apart from the Ulster final (which was played in horrible conditions in Owenbeg) we tore every team to shreds by at least 10 points.

We lost by 5 from what I recall and the Mayo team then got well beat by the Kerry team a couple of weeks later.

If the Mayo team that beat us was in Down, I would say they would have easily have been a top 4 side

Every county seems to have their own take on Senior v Intermediate.  This is shown by the Rostrevor v Milford game.  Rostrevor finished 2nd in Div 2, effectively ranked 14 in Down, but were intermediate by finishing 4th in Div 2 last year, while Milford finished 8th in Div 1 in Donegal this year after getting promoted last year.  They would have been in senior championship in Down this year.
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Post by: elk on November 15, 2017, 11:45:05 AM
I personally don't think this Rostrevor team is as strong as Warrenpoint 2014 and Loughisland 2015 and Moy will be a mighty obstacle for them to overcome but hopefully I'm wrong and they win Ulster for starters.
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Post by: downjim on November 15, 2017, 12:37:54 PM
"I'm really looking forward to the Ulster intermediate final" said no man ever.
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Post by: Rodders88 on November 15, 2017, 01:23:25 PM
Downjim, wind your neck in. Rostrevor getting to the Ulster Intermediate Final is a big thing for their club, everyone in Down should get behind them, fingers crossed they win it and hopefully give the All-Ireland a rattle.
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 15, 2017, 02:23:09 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 15, 2017, 12:37:54 PM
"I'm really looking forward to the Ulster intermediate final" said no man ever.

Still searching for the missing testicles in Burren Jim???

Closest Burren will get to Ulster Club finals will be making Breakfast for those Slaughneil boys every other year.
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Post by: outinfront on November 17, 2017, 09:57:46 AM
Clown.  What a pompous attitude.
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Post by: Targetman on November 17, 2017, 05:38:40 PM
Ciaran McKeever part of the Bridge coaching staff for next season
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Post by: downjim on November 17, 2017, 05:56:24 PM
That's more rows for the Bridge then.

Thanks Mark Poland for a your service to Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 17, 2017, 05:57:58 PM
mark poland has retired from the county scene. great servant to Down football, 2010 being the high point especially the game against kerry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 18, 2017, 08:15:25 PM
Congrats to Kilcoo u16's who beat Carrickmore to reach the final of the Paul Mc Girr tournament, I don't think it was the free flowing and high scoring game the Irish news predicted, h-t score was 2-2, anyway Crossmaglen in the final!!
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Post by: downjim on November 19, 2017, 12:47:41 PM
Hopefully they can do better than their seniors in an Ulster final.
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 20, 2017, 09:49:03 AM
Ahhhh Jim, the gift that keep giving.
Let me get this right.
Youre a Burren man and youre trying to take potshots at Kilcoo teams.
Really.
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Post by: activegael on November 21, 2017, 02:22:10 PM
Any word on the managerial merry-go-round or has it yet to start?
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Post by: downjim on November 21, 2017, 03:56:38 PM
Ireland's greatest club player is away to the Stone
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Post by: crice123 on November 22, 2017, 08:04:26 PM
I'm pretty sure Jackie lynch is stil at drumgath jim?
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Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 24, 2017, 01:06:40 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on November 15, 2017, 11:06:19 AM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on November 15, 2017, 09:15:19 AM
Ulster and All Ireland Intermediate is a funny one

In 2015 we won our first three match's at a canter and in the final we won on a scoreline of 4-01 to 0-10. We finished 2nd in Division 2 that year and most of the teams we played would have been Division 2 teams aswell. At that stage we had 16 team  divisions but some of the teams we played only had 8 in a division. In terms of league position we were the 18th best team in Down but in other counties, the team we were playing were 9/10th in their respective county

When we got through to the All Ireland Final, the team we played from Mayo had finished 2nd in Division 1 and from a physical point of view where a completely different animal to anything we faced in Ulster where apart from the Ulster final (which was played in horrible conditions in Owenbeg) we tore every team to shreds by at least 10 points.

We lost by 5 from what I recall and the Mayo team then got well beat by the Kerry team a couple of weeks later.

If the Mayo team that beat us was in Down, I would say they would have easily have been a top 4 side

Every county seems to have their own take on Senior v Intermediate.  This is shown by the Rostrevor v Milford game.  Rostrevor finished 2nd in Div 2, effectively ranked 14 in Down, but were intermediate by finishing 4th in Div 2 last year, while Milford finished 8th in Div 1 in Donegal this year after getting promoted last year.  They would have been in senior championship in Down this year.

The Moy came 7th in Division 2 making them the 23rd best team in Tyrone, you'd think based on that Rostrevor would be the favourites for Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 24, 2017, 04:36:49 PM
How are our schools doing this year so far?? Coverage is not so good, do schools not have Pro's?
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Post by: Targetman on November 24, 2017, 05:51:47 PM
Full attendances and A stars all round!!
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Post by: downjim on November 25, 2017, 03:24:04 PM
Tullylish won south Down club of the year???? Hmmmmm
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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 25, 2017, 03:40:47 PM
Your not happy the United Nations didn't get it?
At least a few of your players can celebrate that clownjim
Many clubs have you got linking into Burren
CPN TULLYLISH ROSTREVOR CROSSMAGLEN GLENN SHAMROCKS
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Post by: downjim on November 25, 2017, 03:55:28 PM
It's fully deserved after their emphatic div 3 league win playing an attacking brand of football.
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Post by: elk on November 26, 2017, 02:54:27 PM
Rostrevor beaten by a point, good effort but just not good enough. Will be interesting to see how they fair in division one next year
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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 26, 2017, 03:14:07 PM
People need to put some perspective on Rostrevors defeat today
Moy are rated as the 24th best team in Tyrone as per league standings(yes missing 2 Cavanagh for 5 matches )
The 24th ranked team in Down is Drumeness
I don't buy into this massive underdogs tag that the perceived themselves to be today
Good run for Rostrevor but they are not an intermediate team
6 minor titles in 15 years and 1 Ulster minor something not right
Que the backlash
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Post by: Targetman on November 26, 2017, 04:11:30 PM
Great win for Kilcoo u16's to beat Crossmaglen and win the Paul Mc Girr tournament
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Post by: befair on November 26, 2017, 05:41:59 PM
Moy were just that bit cuter; the two red cards were typical Tyrone Tumbles, and delaying their return for the 2nd half while Rostrevor were out on the field for 5 minutes getting cold was a smart call. But we shot too many wides, which was really the difference between the teams. I think we'll compete well in the first division next year, tho we are a long way off Kilcoo and Burren, who are far ahead of the rest. In the long-term we will struggle, more due to population demographics than anything else; house prices high, many of our senior players now living in other villages etc. The most regrettable aspect is that we didn't make the most of our minor teams in the first decade of the 2000s, but young people have to travel now to make a living. Out of one minor championship winning team, 14 are now in the US or Australia, tho I guess most clubs will have to confront that reality
This year was a qualified success; getting promoted was a modest ambition, and really the only strong teams we encountered in the intermediate champion were in the Ulster semi-final and final
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Post by: thewobbler on November 26, 2017, 06:41:34 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 26, 2017, 03:14:07 PM
People need to put some perspective on Rostrevors defeat today
Moy are rated as the 24th best team in Tyrone as per league standings(yes missing 2 Cavanagh for 5 matches )
The 24th ranked team in Down is Drumeness
I don't buy into this massive underdogs tag that the perceived themselves to be today
Good run for Rostrevor but they are not an intermediate team
6 minor titles in 15 years and 1 Ulster minor something not right
Que the backlash

As long as you impeccably high standards in everything you personally do, then you're entitled to have an opinion like this.

I do think though that the majority of us would be delighted with reaching an Ulster final, at any level.
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Post by: activegael on November 27, 2017, 08:44:37 AM
I heard Bryansford on the market for a new manager -  Burns and thorntan quit last week, players not happy as there's more to it than the reasons given. Must be a major problem in Bryansford.
Won't be long until them two are with someone else.
Any truth in Bernie ruane away to Glenn?
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 27, 2017, 08:54:14 AM
Reading interviews and the like over last few weeks in lead up to these Ulster championship games there was a lot of brave talk. I found it arrogant and bit of an insult to insinuate that other Down clubs previously hadn't taken Ulster championship serious when they got that far but yet Rostrevor were out to win the whole thing, All Ireland and all. If youre gonna start talkin the talk youd need to be fit to walk the walk.

Also all this talk of Rostrevor being a rightful Div1 team smacks of serious entitlement. Talk of 2 teams meeting who are masquerading as Div1 teams. You haven't been a Div1 team recently, theres a few reasons for that. I think they could find the going tough when they step up, due to the age profile of some key players, the inexperience of others and also their lack of strength and depth of their panel.
But on the whole a great year for them and they have to be congratulated in winning a championship and gaining promotion. To think that not that long ago they were slagging off their neighbours for celebrating an Intermediate title. Funny that.
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Post by: Hedgehunter on November 27, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
Quote from: activegael on November 27, 2017, 08:44:37 AM
I heard Bryansford on the market for a new manager -  Burns and thorntan quit last week, players not happy as there's more to it than the reasons given. Must be a major problem in Bryansford.
Won't be long until them two are with someone else.
Any truth in Bernie ruane away to Glenn?

Not a bit of it...
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 27, 2017, 12:35:04 PM
Alan O'Neil to Glenn via Culloville.
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Post by: downjim on November 27, 2017, 02:21:35 PM
Are there any good local managers in Down? Or are we going to continue to pay over the odds for mercenaries.
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 27, 2017, 02:59:23 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 27, 2017, 02:21:35 PM
Are there any good local managers in Down? Or are we going to continue to pay over the odds for mercenaries.

Do you mean 'we' as in Burren (Peter McDonnell, Damian Barton, Frank Dawson, Paddy Carr, Steven McDonnell...am I forgetting anyone)
or 'we' generally?
Who are these mercenaries you speak of Jimothy?
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Post by: OgraAnDun on November 27, 2017, 03:04:58 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 27, 2017, 02:59:23 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 27, 2017, 02:21:35 PM
Are there any good local managers in Down? Or are we going to continue to pay over the odds for mercenaries.

Do you mean 'we' as in Burren (Peter McDonnell, Damian Barton, Frank Dawson, Paddy Carr, Steven McDonnell...am I forgetting anyone)
or 'we' generally?
Who are these mercenaries you speak of Jimothy?

Where have Burren's last two managers been from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 27, 2017, 07:33:04 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 27, 2017, 02:21:35 PM
Are there any good local managers in Down? Or are we going to continue to pay over the odds for mercenaries.

I've often wondered this. But then I get round to wondering whether every senior club manager in Tyrone is a miracle worker, or whether the players in that county just want to win championships more, and any goat with a similar drive can do the job. Then I get confused.
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Post by: Targetman on November 27, 2017, 08:49:45 PM
I know he'll be playing for a while yet but having seen what Conor Laverty has done with Kilcoo at underage I think there's a big future for him in coaching/management, by all accounts he's really clued in, bodes well for Kilcoo
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Post by: SHEEDY on November 27, 2017, 09:14:45 PM
marty clarke taking up a coaching role with st johns.
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Post by: Targetman on November 27, 2017, 10:47:16 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 27, 2017, 09:14:45 PM
marty clarke taking up a coaching role with st johns.
Big brother probably got him that gig, he's gonna be a busy man doing that and coaching with Cavan under 20's
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Post by: crice123 on November 28, 2017, 04:24:11 PM
Any truth in the rumours of shamrocks lookin for Johnny McCumiskey for manager?
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Post by: ashman on November 29, 2017, 01:16:32 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/DownGAAMemories/status/932333716378214400

Boyos and girls

Tommy Howard , Tony David , Ross Carr , Liam Honohan & ??

Any idea ??
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Post by: Bigben36 on November 29, 2017, 11:14:44 AM
Any word on how the Newry Mitchel's meeting went last night. I know our own club Aghaderg had struggled for numbers in recent years, but seem to have recovered, number wise anyway!!

Division 4 could be low on numbers this year. Aughlisnafin didnt play last year, while Ballykinlar were only back last season after a season out. Not sure how successful their return was, as they took plenty of big beatings.
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Post by: Maiden1 on November 29, 2017, 11:40:34 AM
Quote from: ashman on November 29, 2017, 01:16:32 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/DownGAAMemories/status/932333716378214400

Boyos and girls

Tommy Howard , Tony David , Ross Carr , Liam Honohan & ??

Any idea ??
Stephen Calnan
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Post by: downjim on November 29, 2017, 04:50:02 PM
If the numbers are low then let seconds teams play in it
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Post by: crice123 on November 29, 2017, 09:45:20 PM
Jim mccorry away to armagh!
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Post by: DuffleKing on November 30, 2017, 07:03:13 PM

Eh, home to Armagh...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 30, 2017, 10:18:33 PM
Eh, away to Armagh, he lives in Rostrevor!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 30, 2017, 10:31:05 PM
McKenna Cup draw made, Down in with UUJ, Derry and Armagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: hectorsheroes on December 02, 2017, 12:51:22 AM
Quote from: downjim on November 29, 2017, 04:50:02 PM
If the numbers are low then let seconds teams play in it
And how would that help the other teams in Div 4? That comes across as seriously arrogant - how about the the likes of yourself who are presumably from a "big" team maybe get your team to try and challenge the county champions instead of lie down or piss off to the states. Give a bit of bloody credit to the lower teams - they're gaels as well instead of using it as a bullying exercise
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Post by: downjim on December 02, 2017, 11:54:27 AM
I do give credit to div 4 teams. It not arrogant in letting seconds teams play in div 4. It would improve div 4 teams as well. Kilcoo, Burren, Mayobridge and Clonduff have the numbers to facilitate two teams on a Friday night. It's not arrogance to allow them to do this, all these clubs not only have the numbers to do it but they have worked really hard and reserve players deserve a chance at this level. Am I the only one who thinks this would improve the lower leagues?
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Post by: thewobbler on December 02, 2017, 03:36:41 PM
The saddest of news.

Our own 5Sams (Paddy Savage) passed away this morning. A true gael and an immeasurable loss to Ballyholland Harps. Rest in Peace my friend.
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Post by: Lecale Gael on December 02, 2017, 03:42:54 PM
The premier reserves top 6 are division 2 bottom six/3 top six standard

it would be akin to letting the bottom 6 of division 1 play their first fifteen in division 3

there would be no benefit to division 4 clubs whatsoever. all the benefit will just be for the 6 premier reserves teams

if they just play the premier reserve games on a Friday night for a season they will see it will not work logistically.

anyway its not going to happen in 2018 but in 2019 if the county reverts to the u17/u15/u13 proposal at club level it will mean a "double" helping of lads just out of underage level. it might be a necessity by then......who knows

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on December 02, 2017, 03:46:27 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 02, 2017, 03:36:41 PM
The saddest of news.

Our own 5Sams (Paddy Savage) passed away this morning. A true gael and an immeasurable loss to Ballyholland Harps. Rest in Peace my friend.

RIP Paddy Savage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 02, 2017, 04:23:00 PM
Rip Paddy
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Post by: Rufus T Firefly on December 02, 2017, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 02, 2017, 03:36:41 PM
The saddest of news.

Our own 5Sams (Paddy Savage) passed away this morning. A true gael and an immeasurable loss to Ballyholland Harps. Rest in Peace my friend.

I got a text telling me this. That is absolutely terrible news. Only met Paddy the once, in Croke Park, and I found him to be a gentleman. Desperately sorry to hear this. My sympathies to the Savage Family, Paddy's friends and my fellow Gaels at Ballyholland.

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam. 
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Post by: OgraAnDun on December 02, 2017, 06:10:46 PM
RIP 5Sams, desperate news.
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Post by: SHEEDY on December 02, 2017, 06:22:10 PM
shocking news. RIP paddy.
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Post by: umpire on December 02, 2017, 08:27:35 PM
i am sadden to hear that Paddy Savage has passed away.  Rest in Peace Paddy.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on December 02, 2017, 08:43:44 PM
Terrible
RIP Paddy
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Post by: charlieTully on December 02, 2017, 09:06:46 PM
Jesus that's terrible news. Only had dealings with him on this forum but asked his advice a few times via pm. Truely sad to hear this news. RIP
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Post by: supersub on December 02, 2017, 11:18:51 PM
Terribly sad.

RIP Paddy. Condolences to Ballyholland community.
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Post by: Minus15 on December 03, 2017, 12:21:40 AM
RIP Paddy Savage. I never had the pleasure of meeting him but he has gone out of his way to give me some advice on here in the past which was always greatly appreciated.
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Post by: 6th sam on December 03, 2017, 10:21:02 AM
Didn't know Paddy, but an excellent contributor here . Condolences to family , friends and Ballyholland club. Go ndéana Dia trócaire ar a anam dílis
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Post by: Dubh driocht on December 03, 2017, 01:42:32 PM
Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam
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Post by: snoopdog on December 06, 2017, 08:04:46 PM
Very sad news about 5 Sam's. Always came across as a nice bloke and a lad who knew his football. I didn't know him apart from this forum. May he rest in peace. A true Down Gael.
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Post by: Lecale Gael on December 08, 2017, 04:56:11 PM
McKenna cup game v UU at RGU on Sunday 7th Jan. Good to see. First game v Armagh is at Esler the Wednesday before and the last game is away to Derry at Owenbeg.

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Post by: downjim on December 09, 2017, 01:03:48 PM
Downpatrick 🤢🤢🤢🤢
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Post by: Down4sam2020 on December 11, 2017, 05:36:26 PM
Any word who the new Rostrevor management is yet ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 12, 2017, 12:15:37 AM
The man only stepped down on Sunday night calm down!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on December 12, 2017, 08:38:52 AM
Quote from: downjim on December 09, 2017, 01:03:48 PM
Downpatrick 🤢🤢🤢🤢

Whats the matter buddie you not well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on December 12, 2017, 02:20:22 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 12, 2017, 12:15:37 AM
The man only stepped down on Sunday night calm down!
Who ever takes the job on will have a tough job ahead of them. Even though Down division one is not of a great standard at the minute there is still a considerable gap between it and division two. A few of their more senior players starting to slow down and I don't think they have a big enough or good enough squad to replace them. Is  Mulholland joining another club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on December 12, 2017, 06:45:04 PM
The average age of the panel is 20.5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on December 12, 2017, 09:26:25 PM
Quote from: Down4sam2020 on December 12, 2017, 06:45:04 PM
The average age of the panel is 20.5
what was the average of the starting 15 against Moy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on December 12, 2017, 10:04:20 PM
How you think rostrevor don't have good enough players coming through is beyond me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: crice123 on December 12, 2017, 10:14:42 PM
Less of the cheek elk u fool
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on December 12, 2017, 11:15:53 PM
Quote from: elk on December 12, 2017, 02:20:22 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 12, 2017, 12:15:37 AM
The man only stepped down on Sunday night calm down!
Who ever takes the job on will have a tough job ahead of them. Even though Down division one is not of a great standard at the minute there is still a considerable gap between it and division two. A few of their more senior players starting to slow down and I don't think they have a big enough or good enough squad to replace them. Is  Mulholland joining another club?
would be interesting to see if he is joining another club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on December 12, 2017, 11:35:28 PM
From his twitter account

Genuinely sad to say I have left @RostrevorGAA to return to @HarpsGAC u14s for 2018. A great club, with great people & destined for great things. Honoured to have had the opportunity to manage there. Thanks to the many for their support & help throughout my 2 years #superreds
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 13, 2017, 08:33:02 AM
Strange decision, must be more to it than that.
Youd think after such a successful season and main aims achieved you would want to stay on and continue the good work.
Maybe he knows they'll struggle next year and decided to get out at the top.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: crice123 on December 13, 2017, 12:46:11 PM
Maybe he knows ur a fool brick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on December 13, 2017, 01:23:15 PM

Mulholland managing his home clubs u14s in the year Down host the feile, can only be a good thing for their club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 13, 2017, 04:03:35 PM
No changes tonight I see 😴😴😴😴😴
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 13, 2017, 04:45:08 PM
I refrained from posting after the Ulster Final defeat as it was gut wrenching for us to say the least. A few comments on here didn't go unnoticed however and weren't in great taste.

I will post on the issue of Shane's departure from the club however, purely because of the speculation which will and evidently has emerged from posts on here. Up until ten days ago or so, it was widely known within the club that Shane would be staying on with Rostrevor - events within his own community since this however have dictated otherwise and thus came the announcement on Sunday evening. There will be no management of another Senior team in 2018, the decision was not because of Rostrevors position, potential position, squad or indeed anything to do with our club. It was a purely personal decision from Shane Mulholland with the best interest of his own club at heart. Contrary to opinions on here, he actually felt that Rostrevor would be able to hold their own in Division 1 in 2018 with the right application. He will manage Ballyholland U14s in 2018 - a change from the scenery of 2017, but there certainly is no feeling of animosity from Rostrevor towards Shane, or the reasons he gave for his departure. The man is speaking the truth, so people should take him at his word. Hopefully this will stop any hearsay on the issue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on December 13, 2017, 04:48:09 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 13, 2017, 04:45:08 PM
I refrained from posting after the Ulster Final defeat as it was gut wrenching for us to say the least. A few comments on here didn't go unnoticed however and weren't in great taste.

I will post on the issue of Shane's departure from the club however, purely because of the speculation which will and evidently has emerged from posts on here. Up until ten days ago or so, it was widely known within the club that Shane would be staying on with Rostrevor - events within his own community since this however have dictated otherwise and thus came the announcement on Sunday evening. There will be no management of another Senior team in 2018, the decision was not because of Rostrevors position, potential position, squad or indeed anything to do with our club. It was a purely personal decision from Shane Mulholland with the best interest of his own club at heart. Contrary to opinions on here, he actually felt that Rostrevor would be able to hold their own in Division 1 in 2018 with the right application. He will manage Ballyholland U14s in 2018 - a change from the scenery of 2017, but there certainly is no feeling of animosity from Rostrevor towards Shane, or the reasons he gave for his departure. The man is speaking the truth, so people should take him at his word. Hopefully this will stop any hearsay on the issue.
Well said Supersub
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: crice123 on December 14, 2017, 09:25:21 AM
Super sub only one in this forum with a bit of sense
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on December 14, 2017, 09:27:36 AM
Quote from: crice123 on December 12, 2017, 10:14:42 PM
Less of the cheek elk u fool
OK B A BARACUS !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on December 14, 2017, 11:57:49 AM
I see Sean Og reckons u 16 's should pay into county games and looks like he wants to increase the cost of attending championship games in Down, always thinking of the supporters!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 14, 2017, 01:03:16 PM
Sure just let everyone in for nothing and make nothing at gates.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on December 14, 2017, 01:24:58 PM
Supersub..well said. Shane is indeed taking our u14 team next season and will not be involved with any senior football side. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on December 14, 2017, 01:25:53 PM
Aye right, another sensible contribution from yourself, u16's shouldn't have to pay in and I think we're paying enough for the quality of championship games on offer, anyone agree?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on December 14, 2017, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: Targetman on December 14, 2017, 01:25:53 PM
Aye right, another sensible contribution from yourself, u16's shouldn't have to pay in and I think we're paying enough for the quality of championship games on offer, anyone agree?

Correct, tbey're expensive enough already.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 14, 2017, 03:25:15 PM
If you look at the pricing of championship games compared to other sports in Ulster then you will realise they are reasonable.  People are taking advantage of the concessions.

Down gaa are hardly making a fortune, every penny counts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on December 14, 2017, 03:47:36 PM
Some u16s only go to the game with their mum or dad cos they get in free. what may happen is they may not go(or parent may not bring them), then the parent(s) might decide not to go

Might not have the effect they hope for.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on December 14, 2017, 05:12:11 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on December 14, 2017, 03:47:36 PM
Some u16s only go to the game with their mum or dad cos they get in free. what may happen is they may not go(or parent may not bring them), then the parent(s) might decide not to go

Might not have the effect they hope for.....

This.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 14, 2017, 06:07:47 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on December 14, 2017, 03:47:36 PM
Some u16s only go to the game with their mum or dad cos they get in free. what may happen is they may not go(or parent may not bring them), then the parent(s) might decide not to go

Might not have the effect they hope for.....

I'm thinking the same.

If you're at a championship match and all you can see is empty spaces in a stand, then a price hike probably isn't the solution.

I'd also think it a worthwhile experiment for the county board to shelve Thursday, Friday and Monday championship matches and run (in the earlier rounds) fixtures side-by-side across the county in smaller grounds in the plum slots of Saturday evening, Sunday afternoon and Sunday evening.

Okay they'd lose out on a few hundred die hards who like to go to as many matches as possible, but convenience in terms of time and location can surely only boost gates among club members and local communities.

Frankly I've no idea why they would expect a large crowd from Carryduff to make a 6.30 Thursday throw-in in Newcastle, or a large crowd from Liatroim to make a 6.30 Thursday throw-in in Newry. Whether we like it or not, modern lives are too busy for that sort of caper.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on December 14, 2017, 06:47:17 PM
What is Sean og thinking ? Charging the youth to see their local heroes , wise up Sean og ...
The next thing all the youth will have to take their passports or he'll syart yapping about losing out on his £2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnneycool on December 15, 2017, 08:23:34 AM
Quote from: Down4sam2020 on December 14, 2017, 06:47:17 PM
What is Sean og thinking ? Charging the youth to see their local heroes , wise up Sean og ...
The next thing all the youth will have to take their passports or he'll syart yapping about losing out on his £2.

Is this actually a serious proposal?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on December 15, 2017, 01:29:11 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on December 15, 2017, 01:59:45 PM
Sure why don't the clubs increase admission to home games and charge U16's aswell ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 15, 2017, 03:10:18 PM
What other sport let's under 16s in for nothin?
And don't throw the amateur status at me as it is far from that.
I think he has a point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on December 15, 2017, 03:19:34 PM
His proposals were to charge u14's £2, u18's £5, scrap student concessions and increase the admission to championship club games, and maybe with all this extra revenue they could afford a decent PA system at Park Esler!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 15, 2017, 04:27:43 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 15, 2017, 03:10:18 PM
What other sport let's under 16s in for nothin?
And don't throw the amateur status at me as it is far from that.
I think he has a point

Smurfy we are talking about club games. It is the sport's secondary competition after County games. Let's remember that. Some games are of a high standard and involve supreme players , many genuinely are not, and some involve players who train no harder than under-6s.

You won't pay as an under 16 into any club rugby match.

Newry City charge precisely £0 for a season ticket for under 16s.

Does anyone pay in to watch hockey?

Tell me. What are the second tier and/or amateur sports in Ireland that under 16s do pay to watch?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 15, 2017, 05:20:18 PM
Fair point Wobbler.
I was thinking all National League matches under 16s £2 but not club games
Even at that is it asking to much?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: crice123 on December 15, 2017, 06:00:33 PM
Charge the youngsters in and less of them will go. Let them in free and numbers will increase. Simple!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on December 15, 2017, 06:43:02 PM
Quote from: crice123 on December 15, 2017, 06:00:33 PM
Charge the youngsters in and less of them will go. Let them in free and numbers will increase. Simple!

he would be as well adding the 2 quid onto an adult fare sure its parents that are going to be handing money over to the under 16s to pay in anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on December 18, 2017, 10:13:31 PM
Mark Copeland taken the managers job at Rostrevor, anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 18, 2017, 10:39:08 PM
Correct
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 20, 2017, 05:16:54 PM
Any word on the Down panel for McKenna cup?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on December 21, 2017, 01:25:41 PM
Michael Cunningham in New York
Aidan Carr retired
Mark Poland retired
Jerome Johnston opt out

Shane Harrison in

that we know of
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on December 22, 2017, 05:31:08 PM
Why has Jerome opted out? He's one of the best in the county and his absense will be felt
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 22, 2017, 06:19:16 PM
Quote from: John Martin on December 22, 2017, 05:31:08 PM
Why has Jerome opted out? He's one of the best in the county and his absense will be felt
he's gone travelling. Might be back for end of league/ championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 02, 2018, 01:09:40 PM
Hard to believe that football season starts again tomorrow evening. According to IN. Aaron Morgan is to be included and few other new call ups. Hopefully the likes of McKibben, & Mc Parland are included in more of the national league games and we have more of a settled team come May in the championship. Be interesting to see how Shay Miller and Harrison fare out this year as they wont be a surprise to anyone this season, both were excellent last summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on January 02, 2018, 10:33:59 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 02, 2018, 01:09:40 PM
Hard to believe that football season starts again tomorrow evening. According to IN. Aaron Morgan is to be included and few other new call ups. Hopefully the likes of McKibben, & Mc Parland are included in more of the national league games and we have more of a settled team come May in the championship. Be interesting to see how Shay Miller and Harrison fare out this year as they wont be a surprise to anyone this season, both were excellent last summer.
Were Down the only panel not noted in the Irish News today ? Same old. Same old.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 03, 2018, 10:37:40 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 02, 2018, 01:09:40 PM
Hard to believe that football season starts again tomorrow evening. According to IN. Aaron Morgan is to be included and few other new call ups. Hopefully the likes of McKibben, & Mc Parland are included in more of the national league games and we have more of a settled team come May in the championship. Be interesting to see how Shay Miller and Harrison fare out this year as they wont be a surprise to anyone this season, both were excellent last summer.

always a January re-start, we go again up down !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 03, 2018, 01:45:32 PM
And we start again tonight
Any thoughts of what will be expected this year??
Promotion and ulster final should be the aim
We had a brutal league last year but a good championship
Although Armagh are crap Monaghan are much better
Looking forward to a big year
Harrison Millar need to hit the ground running
Harrison will be a marked man,he won't be lucky enough to be marking Wylie every game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 03, 2018, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 03, 2018, 01:45:32 PM
And we start again tonight
Any thoughts of what will be expected this year??
Promotion and ulster final should be the aim
We had a brutal league last year but a good championship
Although Armagh are crap Monaghan are much better
Looking forward to a big year
Harrison Millar need to hit the ground running
Harrison will be a marked man,he won't be lucky enough to be marking Wylie every game

Upper Half in Division 2, Ulster final and then hopefully super 8s would be a good year for us.. Need to stay clear of injuries though, aren't blessed with the most talented 16-30
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 03, 2018, 07:18:42 PM
As much as I'd like to see Down do well, if we were to make the Super 8s with our current squad I'd be going for long walks in the countryside with no phone, rather than putting myself through tuning into those demolition jobs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 03, 2018, 09:03:05 PM
Down 0-05 Armagh 1-10, Pairc Esler, 8pm latest. Won't need to worry bout super 8 s
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 03, 2018, 10:10:46 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 03, 2018, 09:03:05 PM
Down 0-05 Armagh 1-10, Pairc Esler, 8pm latest. Won't need to worry bout super 8 s

Wasn't at the game but unless it was like the Fermanagh match in the McKenna Cup in 2016 (where it was clear they would struggle to win a game all season), I doubt tonight will have any relevance come the league or Ulster championship, let alone the Super 8s.

As for talk of getting promoted - I hope not unless it's after seven convincing wins from seven. Best case scenario otherwise is finishing third after a good campaign. In 2015 we somehow got promoted after scraping a few lucky results and we were nowhere near ready for Division 1 - which would happen all over again if we were promoted in similar circumstances this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 03, 2018, 10:14:42 PM
Typical McKenna cup match
Not even the mckennas want to be there
Decent crowd but the game never got going
Good run out for our lads with Kmck the best player on the team
8 or 9 players to come back in for the Louth game
Roll on UUJ
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 03, 2018, 10:19:19 PM
Same problems around midfield, can't win a kickout,Armagh were a bit more physical but its early days
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 03, 2018, 10:23:36 PM
Harrison seems to struggle on the short kick outs
What did you think of peter Turley tonight?
Any thoughts targetman
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 03, 2018, 11:02:06 PM
Thought the kickouts were too slow, if we can't win at midfield we'll have to go short and I think this happened only once, as for Turley he always puts in a shift but at the same time looks like he's struggling fitness wise, Mooney made an impact when introduced
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 03, 2018, 11:08:20 PM
Not too much to get excited about tonight, with Armagh fielding a stronger side which was generally in control. Harrison made a couple of brilliant saves, and had no chance with their goals. His kick outs were mixed, with a couple straight into touch, but the driving rain made it tough for him.

The defence was pretty ordinary, although Doherty was fairly solid and drilled over two 45s, while McParland battled away, but we were wide open for both their goals.

Turley can still win the ball at midifield but his pace is likely to be a problem. Conor Poland had his moments, and is definitely worth another look, possibly further forward, but he was caught out for the second goal.

Ronan Millar was the pick of a forward line which seldom sparked, although Mooney put himself about and kicked a couple of fine points as a sub.
We can expect a few more changes for Jordanstown on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 03, 2018, 11:16:57 PM
What was the starting 15 for Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hoes before bros on January 04, 2018, 01:16:07 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 03, 2018, 09:03:05 PM
Down 0-05 Armagh 1-10, Pairc Esler, 8pm latest. Won't need to worry bout super 8 s
Calm yourself down a bit there snoop. Wouldn't write the year off after one experimental side getting beat in a glorified friendly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 04, 2018, 10:29:15 AM
For what it's worth
Harrison 7 A few great saves for certain goals but his kick outs need to be worked on.1 high  ball came in at  the end and he missed judged it
Flanagan 6 Not a corner back.Badly caught for second goal
McGovern 6 Done ok under high ball.Rash on a few tackles which could have been red
Bell 5 Wasn't in the game at all.May now not get another chance but hopefully he does
McKernan 8 Best player I'm the pitch.Steady at all times and covered some ground
Doherty 6 The middle was left open for both goals.Kicked 2 brilliant free kicks which could keep him in the team
Flynn 5 Only touches the ball twice.Fail to see what he actually does during a game.No impact at all
Turley 6 Doesn't look fit and struggled throughout the game.Give away easy ball towards the end as he was out on his feet
McParland 6 Struggled in midfield.Again he doesn't look fit and midfield is not his position
Poland 8 Got on a lot of ball.2 great catches in midfield and a solid run out.Definate starter
Maginn 7 Done well in large parts and made things happen but was pushed off the hall far to easily
Millar 6 not as prominent as last season but he will get much better as the season goes on and the pitches harden.
Dornan 5 Was very poor little or no movement in the first half and hardly touched the ball.Scored a point in the second half and was replaced immediately
Millar 7 Done very well fir his first start.I can see him starting against Louth.Big future ahead
Morgan 6 wasn't in the game at all.Looked lost at times but he is not a corner forward.Deserbes more chances around the middle

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 04, 2018, 11:17:55 AM
Smurfy, players do move around in an experimental game, but McKernan was in the half forward line, not the defence, McParland was at half back, and not midfield, and Morgan spent the evening as a third midfielder, rather than at corner forward. I agree with you about Conor Poland and Ronan Millar, who both had promising debuts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 04, 2018, 11:32:59 AM
McKernan was not half forward spent a lot of time running from deep and coming out from defence
McParland played midfield in the first half until he was told to go pick up Forker
I'll probably agree with you on Morgan but still think he deserves more chances
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 04, 2018, 11:46:37 AM
Quote from: Hoes before bros on January 04, 2018, 01:16:07 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 03, 2018, 09:03:05 PM
Down 0-05 Armagh 1-10, Pairc Esler, 8pm latest. Won't need to worry bout super 8 s
Calm yourself down a bit there snoop. Wouldn't write the year off after one experimental side getting beat in a glorified friendly
Tongue in cheek. I wasn't in Newry last night. I'd say the conditions were terrible. Looking forward to the 1st league game in Drogheda.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: crice123 on January 04, 2018, 02:50:41 PM
Snoopdog, some man you are to be commenting on this if u don't bother your arse to turn up to games, the reason we really lost was because Sean og forgot the lucky hat!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 04, 2018, 07:16:52 PM
Too many players from div 2 and below on that panel. Seriously would they all start in the Down top 6 in div 1?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 04, 2018, 09:50:22 PM
McKernan
McGovern
Poland
Morgan
Maginn
McParland

Those 5 would start on the Kilcoo team
I'm not sure many of the others would
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 04, 2018, 10:41:27 PM
Quote from: crice123 on January 04, 2018, 02:50:41 PM
Snoopdog, some man you are to be commenting on this if u don't bother your arse to turn up to games, the reason we really lost was because Sean og forgot the lucky hat!
I'm not gonna go to  a glorified friendly when I live in Dublin. I've followed Down long enough in league and championship  I think I can comment on a warm up game. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 04, 2018, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: downjim on January 04, 2018, 07:16:52 PM
Too many players from div 2 and below on that panel. Seriously would they all start in the Down top 6 in div 1?
I fail to see this as a viable argument. What Division did paddy Doherty Joe Lennon  James McCarran junior Greg Blaney  Peter Whitnall etc play in. Plenty of good footballers remain with the club in the parish they were born into. Doesn't make them bad players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 04, 2018, 10:57:04 PM
Shouldn't matter what club or division they play in
But the worrying thing is some players that are in the panel don't stand out at club level
Blaney McCartan etc were head and shoulders above all others
Not now I'm afraid
Lots of athletes playing nowadays
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 04, 2018, 10:57:31 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 04, 2018, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: downjim on January 04, 2018, 07:16:52 PM
Too many players from div 2 and below on that panel. Seriously would they all start in the Down top 6 in div 1?
I fail to see this as a viable argument. What Division did paddy Doherty Joe Lennon  James McCarran junior Greg Blaney  Peter Whitnall etc play in. Plenty of good footballers remain with the club in the parish they were born into. Doesn't make them bad players.
Though I agree with your sentiment snoopdog, Paddy Doherty is a bad example, back then Ballykinlar were a top team and I'm nearly sure were beat in a few sfc finals.
Our best player in the championship last year was probably Connaire Harrison and he would have played the majority of his club football in div 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 05, 2018, 12:49:37 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 04, 2018, 10:41:27 PM
Quote from: crice123 on January 04, 2018, 02:50:41 PM
Snoopdog, some man you are to be commenting on this if u don't bother your arse to turn up to games, the reason we really lost was because Sean og forgot the lucky hat!
I'm not gonna go to  a glorified friendly when I live in Dublin. I've followed Down long enough in league and championship  I think I can comment on a warm up game.

it is evident from your comment that this is a "warm up game" and a "glorified friendly" and if indeed a follower of Down football would be aware that the McKenna cup is merely a preseason competition to blood new players for the year ahead.

A few Down players lined out for St Marys and Queens also. Some counties like Donegal last year used all their u21 players which stood to them, now with the u20 inter county grade and the eligibility rules means this may not be an option now.

Managers want to see players in a county set up as sometimes a player does not play their natural position at club level but at county level it is possible, shane Harrison (a midfielder for his club) in nets for eg who started because Marc Reid lined out for St Marys. some players maybe deemed capable that did not come through the development squads route and a chance to test their credentials.

Some players may not have been able to play against Armagh. Down will never win the McKenna cup while rebuilding. When they last won it they had established players to call on, allstars as well.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 05, 2018, 01:41:58 PM
UUJ match moved to Burren at 2 on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: crice123 on January 05, 2018, 01:57:37 PM
Why Burren, if dpk wasn't available surely drumgath is the next best option
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 05, 2018, 02:02:10 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on January 05, 2018, 12:49:37 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 04, 2018, 10:41:27 PM

Quote from: crice123 on January 04, 2018, 02:50:41 PM
Snoopdog, some man you are to be commenting on this if u don't bother your arse to turn up to games, the reason we really lost was because Sean og forgot the lucky hat!
I'm not gonna go to  a glorified friendly when I live in Dublin. I've followed Down long enough in league and championship  I think I can comment on a warm up game.

it is evident from your comment that this is a "warm up game" and a "glorified friendly" and if indeed a follower of Down football would be aware that the McKenna cup is merely a preseason competition to blood new players for the year ahead.

A few Down players lined out for St Marys and Queens also. Some counties like Donegal last year used all their u21 players which stood to them, now with the u20 inter county grade and the eligibility rules means this may not be an option now.

Managers want to see players in a county set up as sometimes a player does not play their natural position at club level but at county level it is possible, shane Harrison (a midfielder for his club) in nets for eg who started because Marc Reid lined out for St Marys. some players maybe deemed capable that did not come through the development squads route and a chance to test their credentials.

Some players may not have been able to play against Armagh. Down will never win the McKenna cup while rebuilding. When they last won it they had established players to call on, allstars as well.
Was it 2008 we last won It? What All Stars did we have then?  ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 05, 2018, 02:43:23 PM
Quote from: crice123 on January 05, 2018, 01:57:37 PM
Why Burren, if dpk wasn't available surely drumgath is the next best option

Drumgath? What are you smoking
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 05, 2018, 03:16:41 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 05, 2018, 02:02:10 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on January 05, 2018, 12:49:37 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 04, 2018, 10:41:27 PM

Quote from: crice123 on January 04, 2018, 02:50:41 PM
Snoopdog, some man you are to be commenting on this if u don't bother your arse to turn up to games, the reason we really lost was because Sean og forgot the lucky hat!
I'm not gonna go to  a glorified friendly when I live in Dublin. I've followed Down long enough in league and championship  I think I can comment on a warm up game.

it is evident from your comment that this is a "warm up game" and a "glorified friendly" and if indeed a follower of Down football would be aware that the McKenna cup is merely a preseason competition to blood new players for the year ahead.

A few Down players lined out for St Marys and Queens also. Some counties like Donegal last year used all their u21 players which stood to them, now with the u20 inter county grade and the eligibility rules means this may not be an option now.

Managers want to see players in a county set up as sometimes a player does not play their natural position at club level but at county level it is possible, shane Harrison (a midfielder for his club) in nets for eg who started because Marc Reid lined out for St Marys. some players maybe deemed capable that did not come through the development squads route and a chance to test their credentials.

Some players may not have been able to play against Armagh. Down will never win the McKenna cup while rebuilding. When they last won it they had established players to call on, allstars as well.
Was it 2008 we last won It? What All Stars did we have then?  ?

benny and danny got allstars (albeit 2 years later) and were established players, Dan Gordan captain,

Down won two consecutive Ulster under-21 titles in 2008 and  2009 under Pete McGrath and lost narrowly and dramatically to Cork in the All-Ireland decider. Same 2 teams met in the 2010 AI final.

McKernan, Colgan, Maginn, Fitzpatrick, McComiskey, Duffin, Garvey, Laverty, Howard, JBrown, Cathal Murdock, Kevin Anderson and Paul Devlin all featured on one or other u21 panel

Down contribution to Sigerson Cup titles for Queen's and UUJ, and the colleges and schools successes of St Colman's Newry and St Malachy's Castlewellan at the time.

sadly we have only a sprinkling of established players in the McKenna cup panel

Tyrone and Donegal built on u21 sucessess. Downs defeat to Cork in 2010 knocked us for six

but I do see signs of a resurgence as some very talented u17s, u20s are coming through


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 05, 2018, 03:35:11 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 05, 2018, 02:43:23 PM
Quote from: crice123 on January 05, 2018, 01:57:37 PM
Why Burren, if dpk wasn't available surely drumgath is the next best option

Drumgath? What are you smoking
[/quote

There are only a few pitches in Down that would be fit for football at the minute. Drumgath would not be in that category
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 05, 2018, 03:48:18 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 05, 2018, 02:43:23 PM
Quote from: crice123 on January 05, 2018, 01:57:37 PM
Why Burren, if dpk wasn't available surely drumgath is the next best option

Drumgath? What are you smoking
Must be strong gear!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: crice123 on January 05, 2018, 04:24:50 PM
You's men can't take a laugh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 05, 2018, 05:11:28 PM
Lecale who are these under 17-20 players that you speak off??

Genuine question
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on January 05, 2018, 08:07:58 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 05, 2018, 05:11:28 PM
Lecale who are these under 17-20 players that you speak off??

Genuine question

Liam Kerr?? Would he be our most talented player since Marty Clarke?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 05, 2018, 11:04:12 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 05, 2018, 05:11:28 PM
Lecale who are these under 17-20 players that you speak off??

Genuine question

I would prefer not to mention names on an internet forum. would not be fair. will just sit this out and see
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 05, 2018, 11:13:02 PM
Caolan Mooney our next best from Clarke
Ryan Johnstone or Jerome Johnstone??
Kerr a great player though he has it all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 06, 2018, 12:36:10 PM
Shay Mc Cartan was our best talent since Clarke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 06, 2018, 10:28:45 PM
Ed Hardy has made a fair point, as McCartan had even more pace than Mooney and was probably a better finisher with a sharp all-round football brain. If we were able to field both of them in an attack which also featured Clarke and McComiskey, who should still be in their prime, we would be a serious outfit. It would be wrong to judge Kerr before he has kicked a ball for our senior team, but the evidence is that he has enormous potential.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 06, 2018, 11:03:14 PM
What was on the left wing for Bradford City as Yeovil knocked them out of the cup. Substituted after 75 min. 3000 at it. He is still only 23.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 06, 2018, 11:05:41 PM
Fair play to him. Hopefully he plays on til 33!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 07, 2018, 11:43:18 AM
Thoughts on today's game?
Looking at our win loss draw record in today's pape
2017
Played 14
Won 5
Lost 8
Draw 1

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: crice123 on January 07, 2018, 02:26:39 PM
Down gaa a joke, why was the game not put off at 1pm when they New the field was frozen.
As for the clowns at the gate trying to pull the money off the gateman, wise up what was he to do can't start handing money out, free admission to the next game is only possible solution
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 07, 2018, 02:33:22 PM
Quote from: crice123 on January 07, 2018, 02:26:39 PM
Down gaa a joke, why was the game not put off at 1pm when they New the field was frozen.
As for the clowns at the gate trying to pull the money off the gateman, wise up what was he to do can't start handing money out, free admission to the next game is only possible solution

Armagh v Derry followed same timings/decision
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 07, 2018, 02:35:25 PM
They probably were given it every chance for it to clear in fairness
Maybe they made the wrong call to leave it so late but that's the risk you take when it goes wrong
Refixture  needs to be next week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 07, 2018, 02:49:31 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on January 07, 2018, 02:33:22 PM
Quote from: crice123 on January 07, 2018, 02:26:39 PM
Down gaa a joke, why was the game not put off at 1pm when they New the field was frozen.
As for the clowns at the gate trying to pull the money off the gateman, wise up what was he to do can't start handing money out, free admission to the next game is only possible solution

Armagh v Derry followed same timings/decision

I think these things are the decision of the referee rather than county board reps?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 07, 2018, 03:02:12 PM
Monaghan and Donegal was fixed for clones
Game off move on let's get ready for Wednesday night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 07, 2018, 03:06:36 PM
Stop creating a fuss out of nothing. Anything to have a go at the Co Board, it's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 07, 2018, 04:33:21 PM
People would do well to remember that games have been called off shortly before throw-in since the dawn of time. Social media might make it easier to get the message out, but it doesn't make make it any easier to control the weather, or read its effects.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 07, 2018, 05:41:13 PM
More importantly, are the tickets bought for the half time draw still valid!!?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 07, 2018, 10:43:14 PM
You would have thought Sean og could have got the field covered for the night 😠
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 08, 2018, 10:42:45 AM
Quote from: downjim on January 07, 2018, 10:43:14 PM
You would have thought Sean og could have got the field covered for the night 😠
with what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 08, 2018, 10:58:20 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 08, 2018, 10:42:45 AM
Quote from: downjim on January 07, 2018, 10:43:14 PM
You would have thought Sean og could have got the field covered for the night 😠
with what?

Electric Blankets with the profits from charging u16s in......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lazer on January 08, 2018, 11:32:36 AM
Quote from: crice123 on January 07, 2018, 02:26:39 PM
Down gaa a joke, why was the game not put off at 1pm when they New the field was frozen.
As for the clowns at the gate trying to pull the money off the gateman, wise up what was he to do can't start handing money out, free admission to the next game is only possible solution

Nope - consumer regulations would probably disagree - you paid into a match for a certain time and date and it didn't go ahead, therefore should be a full refund if wanted.

I was going to travel up from Derry for the match. glad I didn't now!!

No spectators should be allowed into the grounds until it is certain the match is going ahead, then there would be no issue with refunds.

Yes, late cancellations have been happening for years, doesn't make it right. The decision should be made before supporters would reasonably set out to travel (There no later than 1 hour before for a Down vs UU game, and no later than 2 hours before for a Derry Armagh game).

I remember years ago travelling to a Down Donegal McKenna cup game, and it was meant to be Ballybofey, but was moved to Bundoran, and this was in the days before social media, and therefore we missed the match, despite the long journey to travel for it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 08, 2018, 05:35:23 PM
What happens to those who can't make the next match or 're fixture??  Where there many in attendance?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 08, 2018, 06:20:03 PM
Not really much can be done snoopdog?
Is there anyway around getting money back to them?
Just probably a mattter of cutting your loses and moving on

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 09, 2018, 11:30:42 PM
Quote from: Targetman on January 07, 2018, 05:41:13 PM
More importantly, are the tickets bought for the half time draw still valid!!?

donated to the SVDP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 10, 2018, 01:23:42 PM
Fair enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 10, 2018, 09:58:04 PM
Down beaten by a point by Derry, 1-14 to 2-10. Derry get a goal in the last minute to win it after Down had led for the whole match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 11, 2018, 01:40:31 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 10, 2018, 09:58:04 PM
Down beaten by a point by Derry, 1-14 to 2-10. Derry get a goal in the last minute to win it after Down had led for the whole match.

and Derry down to 14 men....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 12, 2018, 02:05:26 PM
Many clubs started back training yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bigben36 on January 19, 2018, 11:05:19 AM
I see Dundrum are still on the look out for a manager. Bit late in the day for that!!!

Are most clubs sorted for managers yet? Any new appointments?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 19, 2018, 06:48:28 PM
It took Hilltown along time to get a manager. It was looking like the first two into Lowry's on Friday could have got the job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 19, 2018, 08:09:58 PM
Whose managing Clonduff ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 20, 2018, 11:06:09 AM
Duck Bell taking Teconnaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 21, 2018, 10:27:31 AM
Hard to believe its nearly National league time already. Be great to start off with win next Sunday against  Louth, given its Cork the next game. Will Mooney, Darren O Hagan or Ryan Johnson be back for this game? Anyone hazard a guess at starting 15?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 21, 2018, 11:28:40 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 21, 2018, 10:27:31 AM
Hard to believe its nearly National league time already. Be great to start off with win next Sunday against  Louth, given its Cork the next game. Will Mooney, Darren O Hagan or Ryan Johnson be back for this game? Anyone hazard a guess at starting 15?
need to get off to a win next sunday if we dont want to involved in a relegation scrap. With only 3 home games every point will be vital. for the starting 15 i'll take a guess at:

S harrison

K quinn
G mcgovern
B mcardle

D o'hanlon
N mcparland
C mooney

C poland
K mckernan

S millar
C maginn
A morgan

B o'hagan
C harrison
S dornan

Niall madine, ryan johnson and darren o hagan are all possible starters if fit along with ronan millar and anthony doherty who both showed up well in the mckenna cup.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 21, 2018, 01:33:41 PM
After seeing him v Down in Burren, I think Madine might be a bit off starting for Down at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 21, 2018, 01:52:53 PM
I thought Niall Donnelly had a good championship last year, if he is available I'd like to see him continue at midfield. McKibben surely worth a look at as well, impressed when he came off the bench last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 21, 2018, 03:17:13 PM
Sheedy's predicted defence could be pretty close to the actual team, but it is unlikely that we would start with three full forwards and Dornan could miss out. McKernan is usually named in the forward line and played at sweeper. Turley's pace will be an issue on firmer ground in the summer but his physical strength could still be an asset for us at midfield in the  type of conditions we will face on Sunday.

While Down fans will be expecting a win, Louth got promoted ahead of Armagh last year and McGrath will have been targeting this game soon as the fixtures were released. We obviously only have three home matches in D2, which is always a very tight league, so away results in places like Drogheda will probably decide our final placing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 21, 2018, 08:56:13 PM
Quote from: ardtole on January 21, 2018, 01:52:53 PM
I thought Niall Donnelly had a good championship last year, if he is available I'd like to see him continue at midfield. McKibben surely worth a look at as well, impressed when he came off the bench last year.
yeah forgot all about mckibben  :-[ i'd put him on for dornan on my team and play him around the middle, definitely worth a look from the start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 21, 2018, 09:02:40 PM
Sheedy you team looks very good and won't be far away
Lads regarding McKibbon?Why so highly rated?For what reason?
I don't get it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 21, 2018, 09:10:24 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 21, 2018, 09:02:40 PM
Sheedy you team looks very good and won't be far away
Lads regarding McKibbon?Why so highly rated?For what reason?
I don't get it
just think he's always been a quality club player and has impressed any time he has come on for Down. He's maybe earned a chance to show what he can do as a starter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 21, 2018, 09:24:41 PM
Probably deserves a chance but doesn't influence the game in any position
For me he floats about the field doing very little
Compare him to our other 2 wing half backs Mooney and o Hanlon and he doesn't come close
I hope I eat my words
What age is he?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 21, 2018, 09:44:59 PM
Definitely need 2 points next Sunday, a win could set us up for a good league campaign, a defeat and it could be a struggle, we should have a fairly strong team out but Pete will have Louth well fired up for us, Down to win by 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Predictor on January 22, 2018, 07:43:32 PM
Whats everyones view on new rule
If you dont field u get fined plus are deducted 2 points before the start of next season
So say a  team doesnt field a game in 2018 season they start 2019 season on -2 points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 22, 2018, 08:07:13 PM
Quote from: Predictor on January 22, 2018, 07:43:32 PM
Whats everyones view on new rule
If you dont field u get fined plus are deducted 2 points before the start of next season
So say a  team doesnt field a game in 2018 season they start 2019 season on -2 points

The clubs have made such measures necessary.

It's quite clever and I'd support it fully. I expect there'll be a few end of season matches when paid managers are sent on their way, and chairmen step into manager duties for the day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 22, 2018, 08:07:52 PM
Its news to me but good enough, no reason for a team not fielding!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 22, 2018, 09:27:23 PM
Terrible rule, what about the clubs that  are surviving with a panel of 17 or 18 players, a brave lot in Div 4 are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 22, 2018, 10:17:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 22, 2018, 09:27:23 PM
Terrible rule, what about the clubs that  are surviving with a panel of 17 or 18 players, a brave lot in Div 4 are.

So your solution is to make it okay cancel fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 22, 2018, 11:00:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 22, 2018, 10:17:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 22, 2018, 09:27:23 PM
Terrible rule, what about the clubs that  are surviving with a panel of 17 or 18 players, a brave lot in Div 4 are.

So your solution is to make it okay cancel fixtures?
Only if Liverpool are on Sky and it clashes with a League fixture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bigben36 on January 23, 2018, 11:24:02 AM
Is this for hurling & football at senior level? Whats are the fines to be imposed for not fielding. I know a hurling team that is working on a panel of 17 players. Could be trouble ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on January 23, 2018, 12:03:23 PM
I take it the rule is just at senior level? Probably comes from so many teams not fielding at the end of last year. There was a lot in Div 2 anyway. They can't have a stage where a lot of teams have 4 or 5 dud fixtures at the end of the year to field in. If a team is out of the championship and safe in the league (can't go up or down) it's very hard to motivate lads to play in October and November. Maybe only apply the rule for a second offence for teams with a genuine numbers issue. There has to be less rearranging of fixtures for county weekends away and stuff like that. Less games in the league overall would help.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 23, 2018, 02:22:01 PM
A disgraceful rule to deduct points. Proposed by a member from a big club and voted for by big clubs and basically designed to give league winners their day in the sun to collect their trophy.

This will have grave repercussions for div 3/4 clubs working with a limited panel and another indication of where suits are ruining what is a volunteer sport.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on January 23, 2018, 02:59:35 PM
Surely a better solution would be to get the leagues wrapped up before the championship starts like they do in Armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on January 23, 2018, 03:13:08 PM
Quote from: John Martin on January 23, 2018, 02:59:35 PM
Surely a better solution would be to get the leagues wrapped up before the championship starts like they do in Armagh.

Would seem a sensible solution.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 23, 2018, 03:18:31 PM
Quote from: John Martin on January 23, 2018, 02:59:35 PM
Surely a better solution would be to get the leagues wrapped up before the championship starts like they do in Armagh.
This has only become an issue in Down football since the back door was introduced, as it means championship basically knocks any chance of a league programme to the side for 4-5 week. And so it's hard to blame anyone for not giving a damn when the leagues restart.

So it would appear to be the obvious step to take.

Problem is, there are more than a few clubs who will outright refuse to honour tail end or play off fixtures without their county men.... and a super 8 campaign would basically make it impossible to finish leagues by end of August. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 23, 2018, 05:14:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 22, 2018, 10:17:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 22, 2018, 09:27:23 PM
Terrible rule, what about the clubs that  are surviving with a panel of 17 or 18 players, a brave lot in Div 4 are.

So your solution is to make it okay cancel fixtures?

Where did I say that? But have a bit of common sense, there is atleast 3/4 clubs in Div 4 that survive on 17 or 18 each match day, that rule would simply wipe out these clubs all together. Its total different for clubs with bigger panel of players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 23, 2018, 05:16:22 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on January 23, 2018, 02:22:01 PM
A disgraceful rule to deduct points. Proposed by a member from a big club and voted for by big clubs and basically designed to give league winners their day in the sun to collect their trophy.

This will have grave repercussions for div 3/4 clubs working with a limited panel and another indication of where suits are ruining what is a volunteer sport.

Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 23, 2018, 08:11:49 PM
I am sure the ccc can rule each case differently. There's a difference in a the likes of Ballykinlar versus the likes of Ballyholland who refused to travel to Castlewellan on the final game of the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 24, 2018, 12:40:10 PM
Just right, non fielding shouldn't be happening at any level. If you foresee you cannot fulfill your league fixture calendar do not enter a team.

Wrapping up the league before Championship is also a very viable alternative.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 24, 2018, 03:02:31 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 24, 2018, 12:40:10 PM
Just right, non fielding shouldn't be happening at any level. If you foresee you cannot fulfill your league fixture calendar do not enter a team.

Wrapping up the league before Championship is also a very viable alternative.

hark at mystic meg here  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on January 24, 2018, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 24, 2018, 12:40:10 PM
Just right, non fielding shouldn't be happening at any level. If you foresee you cannot fulfill your league fixture calendar do not enter a team.

Wrapping up the league before Championship is also a very viable alternative.

Many teams at all levels have difficulty in fielding, for a variety of reasons, often laziness/couldn't  be bothered. The difficulty is that a dnf or a dummy team going through the motions, can effectively penalise teams in other fixtures. This new rule promotes all games being played , which can only be a good thing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 24, 2018, 03:41:08 PM
you will prob see players wearing jeans like dromintee v cross just to field  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 24, 2018, 06:02:38 PM
Hopefully we will mostly see a change of approach from clubs in their willingness to fulfil fixtures earlier in the season, instead of looking for tactical postponements.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 25, 2018, 03:49:33 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on January 24, 2018, 03:02:31 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 24, 2018, 12:40:10 PM
Just right, non fielding shouldn't be happening at any level. If you foresee you cannot fulfill your league fixture calendar do not enter a team.

Wrapping up the league before Championship is also a very viable alternative.

hark at mystic meg here  ::)

Nothing mystic about it if people are saying on here they won't be able to fulfill fixtures at the end of the season before a ball is kicked!!!!!!

Examples as below:

Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 23, 2018, 05:16:22 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on January 23, 2018, 02:22:01 PM
A disgraceful rule to deduct points. Proposed by a member from a big club and voted for by big clubs and basically designed to give league winners their day in the sun to collect their trophy.

This will have grave repercussions for div 3/4 clubs working with a limited panel and another indication of where suits are ruining what is a volunteer sport.

Couldn't agree more.
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 23, 2018, 05:14:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 22, 2018, 10:17:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 22, 2018, 09:27:23 PM
Terrible rule, what about the clubs that  are surviving with a panel of 17 or 18 players, a brave lot in Div 4 are.

So your solution is to make it okay cancel fixtures?

Where did I say that? But have a bit of common sense, there is atleast 3/4 clubs in Div 4 that survive on 17 or 18 each match day, that rule would simply wipe out these clubs all together. Its total different for clubs with bigger panel of players.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 25, 2018, 04:43:07 PM
A one size fits all approach to not fulfilling fixtures is doomed to all sorts of appeals. No club sets out not to play them all, shit happens. With the best will in the world you may have 18 fellas who say they will play, but come meeting time 5 cant make it for one reason or another, sick, injured, family problems...... should clubs be penalised for this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on January 25, 2018, 05:11:04 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 25, 2018, 04:43:07 PM
A one size fits all approach to not fulfilling fixtures is doomed to all sorts of appeals. No club sets out not to play them all, shit happens. With the best will in the world you may have 18 fellas who say they will play, but come meeting time 5 cant make it for one reason or another, sick, injured, family problems...... should clubs be penalised for this?

Yes.

There must be a sanction for dnf. There are valid reasons for postponement and this is accommodated for in the rules and via respectful cooperation between clubs. If clubs are allowed to dnf without sanction especially towards the end of the league it is unfair, on other innocent clubs who miss out on promotion or are dragged into a relegation dogfight as a result of these dnfs!
There are only 20-24 fixtures for div 3/4 clubs per year , clubs have a responsibility to their developing players to provide them with football matches, so should plan to ensure they can field for all matches
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 25, 2018, 09:53:24 PM
Cavan and Tipp with their teams announced for the weekend, what's the odds the Down team won't be named until at least 11pm on Saturday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 25, 2018, 10:01:54 PM
More like 11am on Sunday morning, Irish News has game for 2.30, throw in @ 2pm for those of us travelling
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oldhacker on January 26, 2018, 01:06:41 PM
The fixtures list in today's paper definitely says that all Sunday's D2 games start at 2pm, with the only exception Roscommon v Meath at 2.30pm. Several counties named their teams last night so there is no reason why our line-up should not be released this evening at the latest. Delaying it any further suggests uncertainty on our part.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on January 26, 2018, 01:53:08 PM
This gets mentioned every year. Does it REALLY matter if we don't know who is playing til the day? We are gonna support the team any way, right? If that's the way Burns wants to do it then so be it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on January 26, 2018, 02:17:47 PM
Quote from: outinfront on January 26, 2018, 01:53:08 PM
This gets mentioned every year. Does it REALLY matter if we don't know who is playing til the day? We are gonna support the team any way, right? If that's the way Burns wants to do it then so be it.

I think it does yea. Say there were two Bredagh lads starting, surely if people knew this on Thursday for example, it would encourage more Bredagh supporters to go. Likewise for other clubs who haven't a history of county men representing them.

For championship games it probably wouldn't make a difference, but for league I think it would encourage supporters from a club to go if they knew their clubman was getting a run out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 26, 2018, 03:34:07 PM
I would go so far as to call it a cultural problem in Down (and in fairness, quite a few other counties too). Ross Carr for example seemed to believe that naming a team anything longer than 15 mins before throw in was a deplorable act, and Burns seems to be of the same mindset.

Why it's a cultural problem is twofold.

First, it would be genuinely good for club-county  relations if things were more transparent; not even from a supporter's perspective, but from an administration point of view. Club managers knowing their players won't be involved on a Wednesday  means they can plan properly for using them in club matches the Friday night.

Secondly, it is genuinely odd to have a belief that opposing county managers are second guessing your selection. Every county team has key man markers and their opponents have key playmakers, and they will realign their teams within a few minutes of throw in, (or even before that) to ensure those match-ups are in place. That's what's worked on in training and players will move according to their role and not their jersey number.

It's really not f**king rocket science, and if the basis of your game plan is regualrly playing key players out of position so as to try and win some Daily Mirror style mind battles with the opposite bainisteoir, you're doing your own team more harm than good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 26, 2018, 05:29:41 PM
It's just unprofessional - either on behalf of the management team, or the PRO who should be releasing it to the press. People want to talk about the team and see how it matches up to the opposition etc. It might generate a bit more publicity and interest in the games as well. AFAIK, the team needs to be sent to Croke Park on a Thursday, so it is picked by then, and the opposition county board need it to print the programmes - so the opposition manager will know it well in advance when Down are playing away. So the only people kept in the dark are fans and the media.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 26, 2018, 06:27:48 PM
No reason why the team can't be named after training whether it be the Thursday or Friday night.
If the big teams can do it why can't we?
As wobbler says it seems to be an on going thing in Down not to name teams squads at anytime
There was no official squad named for the McKenna cup
Does not surprise me as the PR in this county is nothing short of a shambles
The supporters are the ones loosing out here and nobody else
I'm sure the management have named the team to the players already?
Big match on Sunday for us.With the exception of the Monaghan game last year Burns reign as Down manager has been nothing short of terrible.
Here goes

Harrison
O Hagen
Murdock
Quinn
O Hanlon
Mcparland
Mooney
Turley
Poland
McKernan
Maginn
Millar
O Hagen
Harrison
Dornan

Looks a good team

Pity Joe Murphy could not commit with work he would have made that starting team.Suppose work has to come first



Any thoughts wobbler??

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 26, 2018, 07:03:50 PM
Smurfy is very harsh on Burns. His first year was a wipe-out for a number of reasons but keeping us in D2 last year was a creditable achievement and the championship wins over Armagh and Monaghan made it an excellent summer even if we were never likely to progress any further.

Hopefully Sunday's team will be named tonight. Darren O'Hagan was not involved in the McKenna Cup but we will obviously be stronger if he is available in Drogheda. The Louth side was released this morning so they seem confident enough about their position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 26, 2018, 07:05:32 PM
It's up on Facebook you crying shower
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 26, 2018, 07:07:14 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 26, 2018, 07:03:50 PM
Smurfy is very harsh on Burns. His first year was a wipe-out for a number of reasons but keeping us in D2 last year was a creditable achievement and the championship wins over Armagh and Monaghan made it an excellent summer even if we were never likely to progress any further.


Completely agree. 2016 was a disaster but we were never good enough for Div 1 and that just sapped all the confidence for the rest of the year. Getting to an Ulster Final was a decent turnaround, hopefully the trick is repeated this year (but hopefully not to the Super 8s unless we win an Ulster Final, because it would be like 2016 all over again).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 26, 2018, 07:11:15 PM
down team to play louth;

shane harrison

colm flanagan
gerard mcgovern
brendan mcardle

darragh o'hanlon
niall mcparland
anthony doherty

niall donnelly
connor poland

shay millar
connor maginn
caolan mooney

ronan millar
connaire harrison
aaron morgan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 26, 2018, 07:12:21 PM
McKernan must be injured and is a big loss but Donnelly's return at midfield is good news. Both Millars and both Harrisons start but both O'Hagan's are missing. Mooney's switch to the forwards is a bit of a surprise but it seems a decent team in the circumstances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 26, 2018, 07:14:20 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 26, 2018, 07:12:21 PM
McKernan must be injured and is a big loss but Donnelly's return at midfield is good news. Both Millars and both Harrisons start but both O'Hagan's are missing. Mooney's switch to the forwards is a bit of a surprise but it seems a decent team in the circumstances.

Will probably play McKernan's sweeper/free man role. Was very surprised to see him there as well until I realised that McKernan was missing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 26, 2018, 07:30:09 PM
Would Morgan not fill that third midfielder or sweeper role? I'd assume they are experimenting with Mooney in a forward role, although he has looked more comfortable at wing back. He might also be a better option for taking a mark if he can get isolated at wing forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 26, 2018, 07:39:00 PM
Glenn must be some team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 26, 2018, 07:40:43 PM
Clownjim anyword why McKernan not playing?
Lads I dont think it's harsh but we all have opinions
Morgan will come out as will Mooney
Not a bad team on paper
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 26, 2018, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: ardtole on January 26, 2018, 07:30:09 PM
Would Morgan not fill that third midfielder or sweeper role? I'd assume they are experimenting with Mooney in a forward role, although he has looked more comfortable at wing back. He might also be a better option for taking a mark if he can get isolated at wing forward.

Morgan as third midfielder and Mooney a bit further back than that and being used to break up the pitch with speed I would have thought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 26, 2018, 08:02:09 PM
Expect one change in the forwardline before throw in.

Niall McParland the new captain - good luck to him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 26, 2018, 08:08:07 PM
Captain for Sunday??
Surely O Hagen still captain
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 26, 2018, 09:16:20 PM
Hopefully the lads named on sunday can do the business and get off to a winning start. With lots of regular and possible starters missing such as barry and darren o'hagan, the 2 johnsons, kevin mckernan, peter turley as well as keith quinn, donal o'hare, sean dornan and niall madine we hopefully can have the makings of a decent squad and have some competition for places.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 26, 2018, 09:17:33 PM
Never been to a game In Drogheda. Where is the pitch? I will be coming from Dublin. Is it the ground if your coming in to Drogheda from the northern end on the left? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 26, 2018, 09:32:42 PM
It's close to the hospital on the north side of the town.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on January 26, 2018, 09:54:20 PM
Yes Snoopdog.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 26, 2018, 10:14:31 PM
Its a very poor county ground, one very small stand and 3 sides all grass banks, on the team named I'd like to think its good enough to win on Sunday, good to see Donnelly back as we struggle badly at midfield, and I hope something has been worked on in training regarding our kickouts, Down to win by 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on January 26, 2018, 10:37:34 PM
Quote from: downjim on January 26, 2018, 07:39:00 PM
Glenn must be some team

They have won as much as Burren lately  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 26, 2018, 10:41:38 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 26, 2018, 08:08:07 PM
Captain for Sunday??
Surely O Hagen still captain

As I said, Niall McParland is the new captain.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 27, 2018, 03:05:04 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on January 26, 2018, 10:37:34 PM
Quote from: downjim on January 26, 2018, 07:39:00 PM
Glenn must be some team

They have won as much as Burren lately  ;)

So jealous of them, I'm really going to miss that away journey and especially the great showers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 28, 2018, 04:14:50 PM
Great win for  Down
It sets us up for the year
I fancy promotion this year and a step in the right direction
Well done all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 28, 2018, 04:42:18 PM
Steady on there Smurfy, it's only Louth - they'll probably be relegated. There are 6 tougher tests to come. We wouldn't be ready for Div 1 next year either, 3rd place is best place scenario unless we storm the league with 7 wins out of 7. No point getting promoted due to some wacky results like in 2015, only to be humiliated in every game in division 1 and lose all confidence for the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 28, 2018, 04:46:03 PM
Disagree
This team is ready for the big stage
Mooney Harrison O Hagen x2 McKernan McGovern Johnstonesx2 O Hanlon Poland Maginn
Don't tell me the above are not some of the best in Ireland
With the exception of Dublin Kerry Mayo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 28, 2018, 05:25:14 PM
Cork and Roscommon up next and we shall see. Those two games will reveal a lot. The players you mention all have potential but have yet to consistently prove it bar McKernan and D O'Hagan. I don't think we will beat Cork, Roscommon or Meath. Tipp and Cavan will be 50/50 - hopefully we can contain Quinlivan and his mates in the FF line, because I agree that McGovern, O'Hagan and McCardle are a very good backline. Remember that until a goal in the last five mins, we were only 3 points ahead of Louth.

Hopefully I'm wrong and we hammer everyone, but I can't see it happening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 28, 2018, 06:02:29 PM
Smurphy I will tell you that some on your list aren't some of the best in Ireland.
Today could have gone either way and Louth are a limited outfit.There were many promising signs with the defence in particular looking like a unit and were boosted with the introduction of O'Hagan, McKibbin and especially McKernan. We struggled at midfield though, especially after Donnelly went off, and only for a couple of class points plus the goal from Harrison we could have been in trouble. Still, great to start with a win on the road and two more points next week against Cork would be even better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 28, 2018, 06:11:50 PM
It was a good win against a team that will probably get relegated, some good moves in the second half when we played our best football, we finished with a stronger team than the one that started but midfield continues to give cause for concern, we won very little in this sector
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 28, 2018, 06:25:31 PM
Thought we won comfortably enough today, apart from a 5 minute spell in the 2nd half when louth got it back to 2 points we were always in control. This was despite the fact we won nothing in midfield. The introduction of mckernan and darren o'hagan helped steady the ship and push on for the 2 points.

Thought aaron morgan was Down's top performer and along with shay millar got through a serious amount if work on a very heavy pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 28, 2018, 07:18:38 PM
We looked in big trouble when Louth pulled it back to two points with ten minutes left and were in total control at midfield with a gale force wind behind them.  However, our big players stepped up to the plate, particularly Connaire Harrison, and it was surprisingly comfortable in the end.

Shane Harrison's kick outs had mixed success but he took one brilliant catch which persuaded Louth to stop pumping in high balls and looked comfortable in position throughout. Our defence was generally good, with Flanagan promising, McGovern steady and McArdle classy. McParland looked the part as both a centre half and a captain and O'Hanlon was plainly targeted but kept his composure. Doherty was reasonable but got overly involved with his opponent

Donnelly and Poland had their moments individually at midfield without really looking like a partnership, but it was noticeable that we almost collapsed when Donnnelly went off injured. Morgan bailed out us by consistently winning breaking ball and kicking two fine points against the breeze.

Maginn covered a huge amount of ground and took a series of heavy tackles, Mooney never got to grips with the contest but still managed two points while Millar started poorly but got better and better. It was a difficult day for Dornan but Harrison kept going when the ball was not running for him and completely turned the game with 1-2 from play in the space of a couple of minutes.

It was impressive that all our subs made an impact with McKibbin the pick of them, and there are going to be some tight selection calls against Cork next Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 28, 2018, 08:35:29 PM
A good win in difficult enough condition. The pitch wasn't best either. Midfield is a worry. Won very very little all day. Gave away a Lot of ball in 1st half but that will improve with more games. Cork is a big game next Sunday. Need to win our home games. Some hard hitting today all over the park. Louth have a big midfield. They could surprise a few teams . I wouldn't wrote them off. Div 2 will be tough for all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 29, 2018, 12:01:38 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 28, 2018, 08:35:29 PM
A good win in difficult enough condition. The pitch wasn't best either. Midfield is a worry. Won very very little all day. Gave away a Lot of ball in 1st half but that will improve with more games. Cork is a big game next Sunday. Need to win our home games. Some hard hitting today all over the park. Louth have a big midfield. They could surprise a few teams . I wouldn't wrote them off. Div 2 will be tough for all.

The facilities weren't the best either. What exactly does Louth do with funds received from HQ?

Makes ye proud of what we have in Newry. Well done Sean Og!   :P

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Feckmylife on January 29, 2018, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: downjim on January 26, 2018, 07:39:00 PM
Glenn must be some team

Jim I’m well aware that this is just you being a p***k but I’m gonna take it as a compliment. To have a dig at a club the size of ours for producing 3 county seniors is just laughable. Your own club has had many more county players than that over the last 5 or 6 years but it counts for very little if they leave their balls at home on the big days against Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 29, 2018, 08:45:53 PM
I thought ohare looked very sharp when he was introduced, took his point very well, played a lovely pass to Mckernan for a point, possibly could have been a goal opportunity.
Flanagan had a good game at corner back and might push Mcardle for a starting berth. Mooney wasn't as effective in the forwards and I think we will him in the half back line again alongside ohanlon and mcparland, comfortably our strongest line of the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 29, 2018, 10:59:16 PM
Quote from: Feckmylife on January 29, 2018, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: downjim on January 26, 2018, 07:39:00 PM
Glenn must be some team

Jim I'm well aware that this is just you being a p***k but I'm gonna take it as a compliment. To have a dig at a club the size of ours for producing 3 county seniors is just laughable. Your own club has had many more county players than that over the last 5 or 6 years but it counts for very little if they leave their balls at home on the big days against Kilcoo

Ok thanks for clearing that up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on January 30, 2018, 08:36:05 AM
Quote from: downjim on January 29, 2018, 10:59:16 PM
Quote from: Feckmylife on January 29, 2018, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: downjim on January 26, 2018, 07:39:00 PM
Glenn must be some team

Jim I'm well aware that this is just you being a p***k but I'm gonna take it as a compliment. To have a dig at a club the size of ours for producing 3 county seniors is just laughable. Your own club has had many more county players than that over the last 5 or 6 years but it counts for very little if they leave their balls at home on the big days against Kilcoo

Ok thanks for clearing that up

Good man Jim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on January 30, 2018, 04:05:36 PM
Quote from: Feckmylife on January 29, 2018, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: downjim on January 26, 2018, 07:39:00 PM
Glenn must be some team

Jim I'm well aware that this is just you being a p***k but I'm gonna take it as a compliment. To have a dig at a club the size of ours for producing 3 county seniors is just laughable. Your own club has had many more county players than that over the last 5 or 6 years but it counts for very little if they leave their balls at home on the big days against Kilcoo
Surprised CPN have no county players this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 30, 2018, 09:46:09 PM
With St Colman's getting beat yesterday it means not one of the 3 Down teams that were playing Mac Rory football this year have made the quarterfinals, that's a very poor reflection of schools football in this county, any opinions or possible reasons for this
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 30, 2018, 10:46:03 PM
Quote from: Targetman on January 30, 2018, 09:46:09 PM
With St Colman's getting beat yesterday it means not one of the 3 Down teams that were playing Mac Rory football this year have made the quarterfinals, that's a very poor reflection of schools football in this county, any opinions or possible reasons for this
Because when the College have a weak season, the Abbey never step up to the mantle. Has been the case for 50 years.

The College unfortunately are having more of those seasons than they used to, part in no small way to their catchment area now being shared with St Paul's. And it's not only Armagh ones. Conor Clarke, Liam Kerr last season. Two Ballyholland lads starting for them this season.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: One in All in on January 31, 2018, 12:44:38 AM
Ryan Mc Aleenan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 31, 2018, 08:18:43 AM
Although McRory teams have gone it's great to see St Columbans back in an Ulster final and putting Down schools back in the forefront of Ulster colleges football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 31, 2018, 11:01:37 AM
Does anyone have any idea when league fixtures/championship draw will be done??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 31, 2018, 11:44:29 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 31, 2018, 11:01:37 AM
Does anyone have any idea when league fixtures/championship draw will be done??

I think the league fixtures have already been done, just not yet released to clubs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 01, 2018, 10:14:40 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on January 31, 2018, 11:44:29 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 31, 2018, 11:01:37 AM
Does anyone have any idea when league fixtures/championship draw will be done??

I think the league fixtures have already been done, just not yet released to clubs?

should be this weekend I would guess based on the timing of the release last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on February 02, 2018, 09:32:40 AM
I feel that eamon burns will guide this team to an Ulster title if we gain promotion back to division one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 02, 2018, 09:58:25 AM
Quote from: Down4sam2020 on February 02, 2018, 09:32:40 AM
I feel that eamon burns will guide this team to an Ulster title if we gain promotion back to division one.

Not a chance of that happening.. Tyrone are a cut above everyone in Ulster, and with Donegal looking impressive the way they're playing I can't see us beating either of those.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 02, 2018, 10:51:50 AM
I'm the eternal optimist.. Down for the Anglo Celt and Down 4 Sam !!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: crice123 on February 02, 2018, 01:53:11 PM
Down for Sam 2020 u are a fool. If u want to wind people up on this away back to your native Armagh u fraud
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 02, 2018, 11:23:46 PM
Same team named v Cork as against Louth last week. Can't see that being the team to start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 02, 2018, 11:27:54 PM
The unchanged team sounds a bit unlikely but we will see on Sunday. Our draw last season followed a run of at least six consecutive defeats against them, so it will be a tough one which may be decided on the way we handle big Maguire down the middle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 03, 2018, 12:43:55 AM
down by 6 pts  8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 03, 2018, 07:52:02 AM
I'd go for Harrisson
Ohagan, McGovern, mcardle/Flanagan
Ohanlon, mcparland, mooney
Donnelly Poland
McKernan Maginn miller
Ohare Harrisson morgan

I wouldn't be surprised if Maginn missed this one, he took 3 very heavy knocks last week and someone else might get a chance. If Turley is fit I could see him starting and Poland moving to half forward.
It was worth experimenting with Mooney at half forward and late on he was in midfield for a while but he is most effective at wing back. Docherty done a reasonable job but  we missed the attacking bursts from deep that Mooney provides.
Darren Ohagan looked good when he came on and probably needs a game or two but either Mcardle or Flanagan could feel hard done by if either were to make way.
I really hope Ohare starts I thought he looked sharp when he was introduced, maybe the Louth defence were tiring but he is our most natural finisher and I've a feeling him and Harrisson could compliment each other.
I don't think this is a week for experimentation, we had a good win last week and another win against a county we have struggled against recently would be a good boost for morale.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 03, 2018, 01:38:21 PM
Quote from: ardtole on February 03, 2018, 07:52:02 AM
I'd go for Harrisson
Ohagan, McGovern, mcardle/Flanagan
Ohanlon, mcparland, mooney
Donnelly Poland
McKernan Maginn miller
Ohare Harrisson morgan

I wouldn't be surprised if Maginn missed this one, he took 3 very heavy knocks last week and someone else might get a chance. If Turley is fit I could see him starting and Poland moving to half forward.
It was worth experimenting with Mooney at half forward and late on he was in midfield for a while but he is most effective at wing back. Docherty done a reasonable job but  we missed the attacking bursts from deep that Mooney provides.
Darren Ohagan looked good when he came on and probably needs a game or two but either Mcardle or Flanagan could feel hard done by if either were to make way.
I really hope Ohare starts I thought he looked sharp when he was introduced, maybe the Louth defence were tiring but he is our most natural finisher and I've a feeling him and Harrisson could compliment each other.
I don't think this is a week for experimentation, we had a good win last week and another win against a county we have struggled against recently would be a good boost for morale.

thats the team i would go for as well. kevin mckernan and darren o'hagan are 2 of our best players and both are leaders on the field should be starting. i would like to see donal o'hare given a run from the start, he impressed in 2nd half last week and should replace dornan who looked a bit off the pace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 03, 2018, 03:04:55 PM
1. S Harrison

Down team announced

2. C Flanagan
3. G McGovern
4. B McArdle

5. D O'Hanlon
6. N McParland
7. A Doherty

8. C Poland
9. N Donnelly

10. C Mooney
11. C Maginn
12. S Millar

13. S Dornan
14. C Harrison
15. A Morgan

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 03, 2018, 08:44:57 PM
cavan winning by 12 points tonight shows maybe that louth are going to be the whipping boys of this division and we shouldn't be patting ourselves on the back too much for beating them. an improved performance will be needed to come away with 2 points against cork.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 03, 2018, 08:51:38 PM
I agree with you Sheedy. I thought Louth would trouble some of the other teams in div 2, but going by tonight's result they must be favourites for relegation.
I still think if we put our strongest side out tomorrow we should be good enough to claim the points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 03, 2018, 09:32:15 PM
The Cavan/Louth result is even more stark when (if you listen to the Cavan posters on this board), Cavan wouldnt't be far off relegation themselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 04, 2018, 04:53:46 PM
really poor day at the office. the whole thing was just flat right from the start and that includes players and the crowd. it's really frustrating to see so much sideways and backwards passing which ends up getting turned over. dont think thats a great cork team and they beat us handy enough, it shows we've loads of work to do if we don't want to be in a relegation battle. shea miller, darren o'hagan and niall mcparland all worked hard and can come out of the match with a bit of credit on a really bad day for down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 04, 2018, 05:05:16 PM
It was the sort of performance we've all got used to over the past 4/5 years or more. A bit of bad luck, every lose ball seemed to fall to Cork but Down were fairly rubbish. If the house had managed to win (which seemed a possibility up to the goal), it would have been due to Cork's indiscipline rather than Down being any good. The ball into the forward line wasn't really working, but neither was running from sideline to sideline across the 45. It has to be done at times, but there weren't enough players like O'Hagan or Mooney looking to run with pace past the 45, even just to create space or drag men out of position. Felt sorry for O'Hare making runs all day long for a ball that never came (or never reached him).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 04, 2018, 05:49:17 PM
Yeah,O'Hare did make a lot of runs but I thought he went too early. Harrison was also well marshalled and we weren't sufficiently imaginative to come up with a plan B.For me the problems stemmed from an immobile midfield, we could have done with McKernan and Johnston earlier. Shane Harrison had done well up to the goal but tbf he had few options and was showing a bit of urgency when we needed it but it badly backfired and it was game over.
Couple of observations on management. Doherty was excellent with the frees yet when we had a pointable free a minute before halftime they allowed a hail Mary job towards Harrison which ended up with Cork breaking down field and scoring; what should have been the levelling point changed to 2 points down. Also we could see Harrison's frustration,he seemed to be injured and should have been called ashore. Instead he took the bait ,got a straight red and will miss a tricky trip to Roscommon. Maybe I'm too hard on them and the players need to take more responsibility. I thought the half back line,Millar and Morgan were the only ones to come out with any credit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 04, 2018, 06:09:39 PM
Poor from Down today all over the field with only Mooney O Hagan O Hanlon Doherty much good
It is going to be a big couple of weeks ahead against Roscommon and Clare
Again the management team are found wanting
Taking off Doherty??
Are these changes made before the match???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 04, 2018, 08:12:27 PM
Did it annoy anyone else that Down didn't wear their home jersey. Is there a rule where both teams have to wear away strips or are they under orders to drive up sales of new away jersey?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 04, 2018, 08:18:46 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on February 04, 2018, 08:12:27 PM
Did it annoy anyone else that Down didn't wear their home jersey. Is there a rule where both teams have to wear away strips or are they under orders to drive up sales of new away jersey?

Down v Cork has always been away jerseys for both teams, certainly since 2010.

Coming back to the points above about management, I thought it was disappointing that Maguire was allowed to run the show all day for Cork. I know he dropped back a bit to be away from the attentions of the defence and play as a free man, but surely something more could have been done to try and nullify his impact on the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 04, 2018, 08:57:04 PM
Harrison 6 Poor on the kickouts and made a terrible mistake for the cork goal.I don't think he will start v Roscommon
O Hagan 7 Done ok for his first game back drove at the heart of the cork defence in the second half.Still rusty thou
McArdle 6 Did not so much wrong but he is not a corner back and would get destroyed against a better team
Flanagan 6 O Neill had him in circles every time he got the ball.Imagine him marking o Neill in his Pomp
O Hanlon 7 Done well driving forward tried right to the end will have better days
McParkand 6 wasn't in the game at all.Needs to improve
Doherty 7Done well on any 50/50 balls scored 3 great points surprisingly taken off with 20 to go
Poland/Donnelly 6 could not get to grips with the Cork midfield and struggle badly
Millar 7 Done ok in the first half was getting better after half time and score a great point
Maginn 6 poor game.Could not get going and is struggling with the intensity of the game
Mooney 8 Downs best player went direct and could have had a goal good game
Morgan 6 Kicked a lot of needless ball away struggled to get into the game at all place under pressure
Harrison 6 supply of ball in was poor and he wil have better days kicked out at the end and will be a big moss next week
O Hare 6 not at the races will struggle to play  next week
McKernan 7 got on he ball missed an easy chance but scored a point.Why is he not starting??
O Hagan 5 couldn't be the ball inti him may start next week
McKibbon 5 came on and as normal just run about doing nothing adds nothing to the team
Johnstone 6 only back after months out and looked  very rusty
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 04, 2018, 10:20:34 PM
Very poor performance from Down today, second to the ball all over the field and and a very noticeable reluctance to push men up the field hence the struggle to get scores, kickouts a major problem along with the inability to win the midfield battle, doesn't look good for next weeks game away to Roscommon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Feckmylife on February 04, 2018, 10:45:56 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on February 04, 2018, 08:12:27 PM
Did it annoy anyone else that Down didn't wear their home jersey. Is there a rule where both teams have to wear away strips or are they under orders to drive up sales of new away jersey?
Both teams changing to 2nd strip is standard enough. Kerry/Mayo both changed last night, as did Kildare/Monaghan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 04, 2018, 11:32:10 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on February 04, 2018, 08:12:27 PM
Did it annoy anyone else that Down didn't wear their home jersey. Is there a rule where both teams have to wear away strips or are they under orders to drive up sales of new away jersey?


both teams must wear changed strip....hence Kerry wearing gold v mayo, last week louth had to wear white tops instead of red
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 04, 2018, 11:51:49 PM
It was a disappointing day in Newry which probably told us much more about ourselves than the trip to Drogheda. The most annoying aspect was that Cork were nothing special and, going into the last quarter a point behind with plenty of momentum, we were in a decent position to get something out of the game. However, a couple of errors and some poor discipline saw the contest quickly slip away from us.

There was probably be a few more twists and turns in D2 but Meath, Roscommon, Cork and Tipperary look pretty strong and it was always likely that Louth were heading for relegation and would be joined by one of Clare, Cavan and Down. We are fully capable of staying up but our margin of error is not great.

Shane Harrison did fairly well in goals until the misplaced short kick-out which changed the match, and he will hopefully learn from it. Our defence was generally reasonable, before getting into bother late on. The half back line frequently impressed, especially O'Hanlon, and Doherty's replacement was a particular surprise as he had competed well in open play and put over three long range frees with authority.

Midfield is clearly our main problem as Donnelly is still finding his feet at this level and Poland seems more like a half forward. Morgan did a fair job but we could do with a look at Madine during Turley's injury

Mooney was the pick of the forward line, along with Millar, whose withdrawal also appeared to rebound on us. Harrison had a great start but got increasingly frustrated and a sensible substitution would have avoided the red card which almost certainly rules him out for the next two games. O'Hare kept making runs without getting the ball and may be better coming off the bench.

None of the subs made much impact, but McKernan and O'Hagan will be expecting to start in what could be a tough visit to Roscommon.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 05, 2018, 09:24:22 AM
my take on it

1. long ball game plan wasn't working - but kept persisting
2. too many misplaced passes
3. poor decision making
4. free kicks not finding the first man
5. balls into corner not recycled quickly enough
6. attempts falling short
7. attempts from wrong positions
8. possession given away cheaply (out-muscled)


but Cork were not that much better on balance. difference was their ability to get the ball into the scoring zone quicker and they had better forwards

plenty to work on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: crice123 on February 05, 2018, 11:33:08 AM
What exactly does Cathal Murray do on the line apart from give off and turn referees against us!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on February 05, 2018, 12:59:08 PM
Murray's job is to get as many ex-St Colman's players onto the team as he possibly can.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 05, 2018, 01:12:37 PM
Cork were not much better?

They could have scored another 2 goals
Did Down have a shot at goal?

Cork won ever long kickouts
Cork midfielders run through at ease time and time again

Murray and Adams train the team from what I hear
With the quality Down have on the pitch it's hard to explain so many poor performances under Burns
1 big win against Monaghan does not cut it for me I look at the bigger picture and his tenure to date has been diabolical to say the least.When will the county board wake up and smell the coffee here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 05, 2018, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: saulzer on February 05, 2018, 12:59:08 PM
Murray's job is to get as many ex-St Colman's players onto the team as he possibly can.

4 starters yesterday from the county's most successful footballing school. Really worth getting your knickers in a twist over?

Same number as started the AIF in 1994 by the way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 05, 2018, 01:22:05 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 05, 2018, 01:12:37 PM
Cork were not much better? AGREE

They could have scored another 2 goals
Did Down have a shot at goal?

Cork won ever long kickouts
Cork midfielders run through at ease time and time again

Murray and Adams train the team from what I hear
With the quality Down have on the pitch it's hard to explain so many poor performances under Burns
1 big win against Monaghan does not cut it for me I look at the bigger picture and his tenure to date has been diabolical to say the least.When will the county board wake up and smell the coffee here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 05, 2018, 01:23:13 PM
Quote from: saulzer on February 05, 2018, 12:59:08 PM
Murray's job is to get as many ex-St Colman's players onto the team as he possibly can.

wise up lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on February 05, 2018, 07:01:34 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 05, 2018, 01:12:37 PM
Cork were not much better?

They could have scored another 2 goals
Did Down have a shot at goal?

Cork won ever long kickouts
Cork midfielders run through at ease time and time again

Murray and Adams train the team from what I hear
With the quality Down have on the pitch it's hard to explain so many poor performances under Burns
1 big win against Monaghan does not cut it for me I look at the bigger picture and his tenure to date has been diabolical to say the least.When will the county board wake up and smell the coffee here

Ill answer that with an earlier post from you .......

Mooney 8 Downs best player went direct and could have had a goal good game

smh

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 06, 2018, 06:35:25 AM
Only a handful of the players looked up for the game against Cork. Miller,  mooney and Ohagan had a real go. Doherty and the 2 inside forwards also tried hard. The rest showed a serious lack of spirit. One does have to wonder does this come from management. Burns doesn't look very animated along the line. I wonder how he motivates a team 😕
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 06, 2018, 12:32:05 PM
Lack of motivation looked the possible low level performance
Are we any better than when Jim McCrory left us 3 years ago?
Why is Kevin McKernan not starting?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 06, 2018, 01:12:28 PM
I'd say there is a degree of experimentation I'd fully expect McKernan to start come the championship. As long as down stay up this year I'd be happy enough. Promotion would be a  poisoned chalice for whoever goes up this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 06, 2018, 03:09:26 PM
You would be happy enough to stay in division 2?Why would that be?
That's what's wrong we are happy enough in this division
You not see Andy McEntee coming out saying he wants Meath big on the big stage playing the big boys
Look at Galway this year
Happy enough in division 2 playing the likes of Clare Tipp Cavan Louth Meath no thanks
Have any of the above have a prayers chance of winning at provincial level?
But hey happy enough to stay in division 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 06, 2018, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 06, 2018, 03:09:26 PM
You would be happy enough to stay in division 2?Why would that be?
That's what's wrong we are happy enough in this division
You not see Andy McEntee coming out saying he wants Meath big on the big stage playing the big boys
Look at Galway this year
Happy enough in division 2 playing the likes of Clare Tipp Cavan Louth Meath no thanks
Have any of the above have a prayers chance of winning at provincial level?
But hey happy enough to stay in division 2
Maybe you didn't see our last performance in Div 1. Down are light years behind what's up there. Galway tanked us last year. We are at our level. Could you honestly pick out 1 fixture if we were in Div 1 and say we would win? I can't in Div 2. We are that inconsistent. But that's always been an issue with Down in my life time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 06, 2018, 04:35:16 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 06, 2018, 03:09:26 PM
You would be happy enough to stay in division 2?Why would that be?
That's what's wrong we are happy enough in this division
You not see Andy McEntee coming out saying he wants Meath big on the big stage playing the big boys
Look at Galway this year
Happy enough in division 2 playing the likes of Clare Tipp Cavan Louth Meath no thanks
Have any of the above have a prayers chance of winning at provincial level?
But hey happy enough to stay in division 2

its what we are capable of. and at the present time we are a division 2 side. we would come straight back down if promoted.

you are very dismissive of Tipp cavan clare and meath.
Tipp and cavan especially have had strong u21s in recent years. Down haven't in a long time, 10 years in fact. don't get 'happy to' confused with 'resigned to'....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 06, 2018, 04:51:21 PM
Down are never going to improve unless we get back into division 1
Was not that long ago when we were better than Kildare Galway Monaghan and the like
Now we are all happy to stay safe in division 1
I bet you the Kilcoo lads would not just be happy to stay in division 2
Always the losers mentality in Down
We beat a crap Armagh team and Monaghan last year and we all sing and rejoice about a great year
No word of the hammerings to Kildare Galway Tyrone Monaghan Clare and Fermanagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on February 06, 2018, 05:01:20 PM
A crap Armagh team ? Yet still Reached the last 8.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 06, 2018, 05:36:10 PM
There is no point going up to div 1, taking 7 thumpings and back in div 2 the following year, with morale on the floor.
I can see a few positives, our half back line is very good, and our full back line of mcgovern, ohagan and mcardle/Flanagan is stronger than it has been for a long time.

We are struggling at midfield and maybe 2 from Donnelly, McKernan and Turley will be our combination come championship with Morgan named at 15 but playing around the middle.
We are light up front and perhaps that is why Burns is playing Mooney in the forwards during the league, he already knows what he can do from wing back. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a game along Harrisson at ff at some stage during the league to see how they link up.
We have a home tie against Antrim in the summer and that will be the focus of the panel this year, hopefully an Ulster semi final place and anything can happen.
I think we made progress last year and hopefully we can kick on again this year, but at present we are not ready for div one maybe this time next year we will be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on February 06, 2018, 07:04:57 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 06, 2018, 04:51:21 PM
Down are never going to improve unless we get back into division 1
Was not that long ago when we were better than Kildare Galway Monaghan and the like
Now we are all happy to stay safe in division 1
I bet you the Kilcoo lads would not just be happy to stay in division 2
Always the losers mentality in Down
We beat a crap Armagh team and Monaghan last year and we all sing and rejoice about a great year
No word of the hammerings to Kildare Galway Tyrone Monaghan Clare and Fermanagh

Whatever your smoking fella give me some :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 06, 2018, 07:35:18 PM
I'm all for playing at a higher level as it should help to raise standards but being realistic we'd take some hidings in div1, was surprised Gerard McGovern didn't feature on Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 06, 2018, 07:47:33 PM
I'm not really sure that a league season which would inevitably see 4 hidings in 7 matches would do anyone any good.

Galway are clearly on an upward curve. Kildare too, if not quite one as prominent. Down need to also prove we on are one of those before we look at top flight ball again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 06, 2018, 10:14:44 PM
Wheee did you see the progress ardtole?
From beating Galway Kildare etc under McCorry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 06, 2018, 10:47:02 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 06, 2018, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 06, 2018, 03:09:26 PM
You would be happy enough to stay in division 2?Why would that be?
That's what's wrong we are happy enough in this division
You not see Andy McEntee coming out saying he wants Meath big on the big stage playing the big boys
Look at Galway this year
Happy enough in division 2 playing the likes of Clare Tipp Cavan Louth Meath no thanks
Have any of the above have a prayers chance of winning at provincial level?
But hey happy enough to stay in division 2
Maybe you didn't see our last performance in Div 1. Down are light years behind what's up there. Galway tanked us last year. We are at our level. Could you honestly pick out 1 fixture if we were in Div 1 and say we would win? I can't in Div 2. We are that inconsistent. But that's always been an issue with Down in my life time.

Spot on. Down have five games remaining in the division - and I'd say that we could win most of them, but we could just as easily lose most of them. We're better off consolidating this year in Division 2 and looking at a promotion tilt next year. If we went up to Division 1 this year, we would be straight back down next year without a point at the board and be trying to stave off relegation to Div 3 in 2020. We have just been relatively easily beaten by Cork (missing their Nemo contingent), who I do not think will be promoted. The Div 1 teams are an even bigger step up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 06, 2018, 10:52:26 PM
Why next year and not this year?
Why do you think we would be better off next year?
What will improve by this time next year in your opinion?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 06, 2018, 11:11:51 PM
Quote from: Down4sam2020 on February 06, 2018, 05:01:20 PM
A crap Armagh team ? Yet still Reached the last 8.
In the words of Cindy Lauper "I see your true colours shining through "
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 06, 2018, 11:24:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 06, 2018, 10:52:26 PM
Why next year and not this year?
Why do you think we would be better off next year?
What will improve by this time next year in your opinion?

Were you at the Cork match? Did it not give you flashbacks to 2015 and seeing Roscommon easily beat us in Division 2? I think the team needs a bit of stability, a bit of experience playing at this level to provide a base on which to build confidence and performances next year to get promoted. They're just not ready for Div 1 yet. Whether they will be ready for a promotion push and the rigours of Div 1 football in twelve months time remains to be seen. I'm hoping they will be, but I wouldn't be surprised to be looking at a 5th/6th placed finish next year either. That's providing we even stay up, I believe that we are very much in a relegation fight with Cavan and Clare to avoid the 7th placed spot this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 07, 2018, 06:01:15 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 06, 2018, 10:14:44 PM
Wheee did you see the progress ardtole?
From beating Galway Kildare etc under McCorry

Kildare and Galway were in freefall when we beat them, I think kildare got relegated that same year to div 3. Kildare also outplayed us that year only for a smash and grab last few minutes and we stole the two points.

In the league final that year  roscommon hammered us and was the start  of things to come for  two years.

Both Kildare and Galway are on an upward curve at present, Galway have beaten  mayo in consecutive years in connacht so they are both in a better place than they were when we beat them a few years ago.

I do see a few improvements particularly in defence, hopefully harrisson and Miller can improve  on an  impressive summer last year. Maybe Burns will accommodate Mooney in the forwards this year to give us a bigger threat in attack, Ryan Johnson might provide us with a bit more pace.

We are struggling at midfield, we need to find a partner for Donnelly, Poland is probably better suited to half forward, we haven't much strength in depth either but all in all I think we are going in the right direction.

Last year we got mcparland back on the panel, Harrison made the ff spot his own, Miller and Donnelly impressed in Ulster as well and if Burns can use the league to blood Morgan and Flanagan, give Docherty more game time and give us more options come the summer then I'd be happy enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 07, 2018, 08:36:42 AM
Agree to disagree on this one
I personally think we were a much better team under McCorry
They players on the squad are good enough to compete in division 1 but for some reason are getting beat be mediocre teams like Fermanagh Clare Cork(missing 10 players)
Roscommon are no world beaters but hey no doubt we expect Down to get beaten
Again the losers mentality
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 07, 2018, 11:00:22 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 07, 2018, 08:36:42 AM
Agree to disagree on this one
I personally think we were a much better team under McCorry
They players on the squad are good enough to compete in division 1 but for some reason are getting beat be mediocre teams like Fermanagh Clare Cork(missing 10 players)
Roscommon are no world beaters but hey no doubt we expect Down to get beaten
Again the losers mentality

You're backing up everyone else's point. We're not good enough to win division two, so why would we be good enough for division one?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 07, 2018, 11:32:45 AM
Because I think this group would flourish in division 1
Look at Kerry for example
12/13 young lads and flying
McKernan
Mooney
O Hagan x 2
O Hanlon
O Hare
McGovern
Harrison
Johnstone x 2

All brilliant players who should not be happy playing division 2 football
Are you telling me Monaghan or Kildare have better players?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 07, 2018, 11:55:31 AM
How many AI medals (minor, U21 or senior) are there in the Kerry team? How many are in the Down team? Just the one I think, from minor.

Monaghan have consistently shown that they are better than us for a number of years now, whilst Kildare are on an upward trend and finished 1st in a league we struggled to avoid relegation in last year.

Why don't you just come out and state your real motive, that you don't rate Burns and want him gone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 07, 2018, 12:29:16 PM
I don't want anyone out.
How many of that Dublin team have all Ireland minor titles?
Mayo?
Donegal
Tyrone
Winning minor titles means nothing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 07, 2018, 01:24:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 07, 2018, 12:29:16 PM
I don't want anyone out.
How many of that Dublin team have all Ireland minor titles?
Mayo?
Donegal
Tyrone
Winning minor titles means nothing

It's a decent barometer of success. Dublin have AI U21 winners, everyone else there has AI minor and U21 finalists or winners on their team. Your point was that Kerry can do well with a load of youngsters, so why can't Down compete? The answer is that those youngsters are very good players who already are in the habit of winning. Blend that with the top class, experienced players in the team who also have the habit of winning, and there is a good team. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 07, 2018, 01:31:07 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 07, 2018, 12:29:16 PM
I don't want anyone out.
How many of that Dublin team have all Ireland minor titles?
Mayo?
Donegal
Tyrone
Winning minor titles means nothing

I would agree minor titles are not a great indicator but u21 titles be closer


2017 Dublin 2-13 Galway 2-7
2016 Mayo 5-7 Cork 1-14
2015 Tyrone 1–11 Tipperary 0-13
2014 Dublin 1-21 Roscommon 3-6
2013 Galway 1-14 Cork 1-11
2012 Dublin 2-12 Roscommon 0-11
2011 Galway 2-16 Cavan 1-9 [6]
2010 Dublin 1–10 Donegal 1-8
2009 Cork 1–13 Down 2–9
2008 Kerry 2–12 Kildare 0–11


look at the counties that have made the final over the last decade and look at appearances..

Dublin 4
Galway 3
Cork 3
Roscommon 2
Mayo 1
Tyrone 1
Tipperary 1
Cavan 1
Donegal 1
Kerry 1
Kildare 1
Down 1

Now rank to div 1 and div 2

Div 1
Dublin
Galway
Mayo
Tyrone
Donegal
Kerry
Kildare     

Div 2
Cork
Roscommon
Tipperary
Cavan
Down

From Down's sole appearance only Kevin McKernan remains it was that long ago. we have had no success of note. Div 1 teams have won all the finals, the runners up are all div 2 teams

that's the cold hard fact........not about being happy to play div 2.......its all we are capable of at present



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 07, 2018, 02:38:14 PM
And Conor Maginn. But yes, a long time ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 07, 2018, 04:31:06 PM
Fair enough lads some good stats above
Just frustrated after Sunday
Roll on Sunday
Good debate I'll hold my hands up maybe I am wrong 👍
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on February 07, 2018, 09:30:51 PM
Smurfy , we need to not be comaplcent, that is key.  Each game as it comes. Roscommon is next.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 08, 2018, 01:08:49 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 07, 2018, 04:31:06 PM
Fair enough lads some good stats above
Just frustrated after Sunday
Roll on Sunday
Good debate I'll hold my hands up maybe I am wrong 👍

think all Down supporters were frustrated but I do think Burns is trying to blood new players and the acid test can sometimes be painful.

looking at Ulster u21s last decade you can see Cavan and Donegal are going to push Tyrone hard over the next few years.
You can see Down reaching the final in 2010 didn't come by chance. I really do believe with the investment Down are now putting into development Down will improve. But the u20s need to be taken more seriously over next few years. Monaghan are a bit of an enigma, but when you see the likes of McManus not being involved at minor or u21 you wonder are we in Down missing out on talent.....I think we are

2017 Donegal 3-17 Derry 0-13
2016 Monaghan 0-13 Tyrone 0-11
2015 Tyrone 1-11 Donegal 0-13
2014 Cavan 2-6 Donegal 0-8
2013 Cavan 0-13 Donegal 1-6
2012 Cavan 1-10 Tyrone 0-10
2011 Cavan 1-10 Tyrone 0-10
2010 Donegal 2-8 Cavan 0-7
2009 Down 1-14 Armagh 2-10
2008 Down 3-11 Derry 1-14

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Post by: Lecale Gael on February 08, 2018, 01:14:18 PM
Connacht u21 championship finals over last decade

2017 Galway 3-20 Sligo 2-14
2016 Mayo 1-11 Roscommon 1-10
2015 Roscommon 3-14 Galway 3-11
2014 Roscommon 0–19 Leitrim 1-3
2013 Galway 1–17 Roscommon 2–11
2012 Roscommon 1–13 Sligo 0-8
2011 Galway 1–10 Roscommon 0-4
2010 Roscommon 1-6 Sligo 0-4
2009 Mayo 3–14 Sligo 1-8
2008 Mayo 1–14 Roscommon 0–14

Are Roscommon and Galway going to have a big say on Mayo taking up permament residence in Croker every summer.

I think Roscommon are going to be very hard game for Down. If we do get a result it would do wonders for our confidence.
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Post by: downjim on February 08, 2018, 05:53:19 PM
What's the hold up with the fixtures??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 08, 2018, 06:04:31 PM
gerard mcgovern has apparently left the Down panel. he'll be a big miss, very steady in the full back line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 08, 2018, 06:52:47 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 08, 2018, 06:04:31 PM
gerard mcgovern has apparently left the Down panel. he'll be a big miss, very steady in the full back line.
That's a bad blow if true, I did comment on here my surprise at his omission from the team on Sunday, any reason for this Sheedy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 08, 2018, 09:21:12 PM
Quote from: Targetman on February 08, 2018, 06:52:47 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 08, 2018, 06:04:31 PM
gerard mcgovern has apparently left the Down panel. he'll be a big miss, very steady in the full back line.
That's a bad blow if true, I did comment on here my surprise at his omission from the team on Sunday, any reason for this Sheedy?
he left after a row/ falling out with eamonn burns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 08, 2018, 09:49:44 PM
Massive blow if true?
Is this confirmed that he has left the panel
He is going to be some miss..Any reason given?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 08, 2018, 10:45:22 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 08, 2018, 09:21:12 PM
Quote from: Targetman on February 08, 2018, 06:52:47 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 08, 2018, 06:04:31 PM
gerard mcgovern has apparently left the Down panel. he'll be a big miss, very steady in the full back line.
That's a bad blow if true, I did comment on here my surprise at his omission from the team on Sunday, any reason for this Sheedy?
he left after a row/ falling out with eamonn burns.
I'd rate McGovern as probably our best defender with an aggressive approach that is visibly missing in our team, not the sort of news we need after last weeks performance and ahead of a trip to Roscommon, be interesting to hear the official response from the Down camp, if true!!
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Post by: Smurfy123 on February 09, 2018, 08:18:05 AM
I'll hazard a guess at the starting 15 for Sunday
Reid
Flanagan
McArdle
O Hagan
O Hanlon 
McParland
Doherty
Mooney
McKernan
Millar
Maginn
Johnstone
O Hare
Dornan
O Hagan

Not a bad team considering we are missing our 2 best players in Harrison and McGovern
I'm a bit more optimistic looking at that team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bigben36 on February 09, 2018, 02:40:12 PM
Fixtures now out!!! Not online, but all club secretaries have them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 09, 2018, 04:08:24 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 09, 2018, 08:18:05 AM
I'll hazard a guess at the starting 15 for Sunday
Reid
Flanagan
McArdle
O Hagan
O Hanlon 
McParland
Doherty
Mooney
McKernan
Millar
Maginn
Johnstone
O Hare
Dornan
O Hagan

Not a bad team considering we are missing our 2 best players in Harrison and McGovern
I'm a bit more optimistic looking at that team
stronger looking team, i'd stick aaron morgan in for dornan though.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on February 09, 2018, 04:13:20 PM
Yes Morgan in missed that one
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Post by: Smurfy123 on February 10, 2018, 09:23:37 PM
Any team news lads?
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Post by: OgraAnDun on February 10, 2018, 09:58:35 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 10, 2018, 09:23:37 PM
Any team news lads?

Nothing yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 10, 2018, 11:27:32 PM
No surprise there and no word on Mc Govern, in or out (of the squad), will take a big performance to get anything tomorrow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 11, 2018, 07:58:35 AM
Darragh O Hanlon app dropped for today's game.Any Kilcoo poster confirm this?
Another blow if he is not starting along wit Harrison McGovern and O Hanlon
Our 3 best players missing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 11, 2018, 08:10:39 AM
I think Burns is using the league to develop the squad and find a few starters for the summer. He knows what ohanlon can do, similar to sitting McKernan out in the earlier games.

I'd agree it would be a concern if mcgovern has quit the panel as he had the fb spot nailed down. If he has gone I'd be having a look at ohanlon at fb maybe, as that's where he has lined out for kilcoo on occasions.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 11, 2018, 08:14:42 AM
He is not being rested
Train like a dog to be left out in the league doesn't make sense
Who are the lads being tried out?
Morgan Poland and Flanagan are our new comers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 11, 2018, 08:29:32 AM
Docherty, Dornan, Ryan Johnson due a start. Lets wait until we see the starting 15.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 11, 2018, 08:39:26 AM
No reason to drop your best player
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 11, 2018, 09:52:25 AM
Any word of a starting team before the bus leaves!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 11, 2018, 09:55:14 AM
Pitch inspection at 11am apparently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on February 11, 2018, 11:18:37 AM
Tough test for Down today. A win will keep them in touch a defeat will rule out any possible promotion. And with strong word that Gerard McGovern has gone from panel things could get worse
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 11, 2018, 12:25:54 PM
Game on!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 11, 2018, 01:42:31 PM
McKernan not starting again. I could understand the McKenna Cup, maybe the Louth match and at a push the Cork match - but (unless he's just not up to full fitness yet), he's too important a player not to be starting today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 11, 2018, 01:43:41 PM
Marc Reid takes over from Shane Harrison in nets with Barry O'Hagan starting in place of Connaire Harrison - otherwise unchanged.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 11, 2018, 01:51:00 PM
Ryan Johnson in for ohanlon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 11, 2018, 01:59:04 PM
McKernan replaced on bench by Madine, possibly injured. Harrisson, McKernan and ohanlon big omissions and looks like McGovern is gone for definite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 11, 2018, 02:17:55 PM
Down 0-03 to no score up and now playing against 14 men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 11, 2018, 02:27:13 PM
Up by 5 now
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Post by: Dubh driocht on February 11, 2018, 02:43:34 PM
6 up at HT. Benny and Jack are great!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 11, 2018, 02:45:12 PM
I'm not at the match, is there much of a breeze?
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Post by: OgraAnDun on February 11, 2018, 03:15:51 PM
Just the two points in it now with Roscommon having a penalty saved also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 11, 2018, 03:23:11 PM
O'Hanlon on. Down 3 up, 8 mins to go
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 11, 2018, 03:29:12 PM
4 up, 3 to go. Jeez, we might go up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 11, 2018, 03:37:23 PM
Final Score; Roscommon 0-7 An Dun 0-12. Home side were poor and played with 14 men for 3/4 of game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 11, 2018, 03:38:17 PM
Proved me wrong in terms of predictions anyway. Should be safe now with the fixtures we have remaining.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 11, 2018, 03:46:49 PM
Good win. Must've been a strong wind.
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Post by: ardtole on February 11, 2018, 04:08:25 PM
Great win.
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Post by: ONARAGGATIP on February 11, 2018, 04:31:34 PM
great win away from home, one more win should be enough to ensure safety.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 11, 2018, 04:45:36 PM
Sounded like a hard battling win with Roscommon pushing on in the 3rd quarter. One more win should ensure safety and who knows what else after that as the league seems to be very tight. I think for this season to be a successful one Burns has to find a way of getting Harrison and O'Hare playing together as they are comfortably our 2 best attackers with O'Hagan not far behind
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 11, 2018, 04:53:30 PM
great result. will do wonders for the lads confidence

if we can beat Clare at esler then it would be div 2 safety secured with games away to Tipp and Meath and a final home game v Cavan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 11, 2018, 05:10:36 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 11, 2018, 04:53:30 PM
great result. will do wonders for the lads confidence

if we can beat Clare at esler then it would be div 2 safety secured with games away to Tipp and Meath and a final home game v Cavan
Tipp game is at home and cavan game is away
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 11, 2018, 07:17:56 PM
excellent hard fought and deserved win today. great for the players, management and supporters to be going into the mini break in the league fixtures on the back of a positive result.



Down produced a gritty display to earn a 0-12 to 0-7 away win over Roscommon in Division Two of the Football League.

The Mourne County hit the opening six points with Roscommon's prospects not helped by Ian Kilbride's and they remained 0-9 to 0-3 ahead at half-time.

Roscommon hit four straight points before Down keeper Marc Reid crucially saved a Ciaran Murtagh penalty.

A Darren O'Hagan point got Down scoring again before further Darragh O'Hanlon and Niall Madine scores.

Niall Donnelly's point opened the scoring for Down with O'Hagan, fit-again Ryan Johnston, Caolan Mooney and Donal O'Hare (two) notching the Mourne County's early points.

Despite Kilbride's dismissal after he picked a second yellow card, Roscommon responded with three points, including two Cian McKeon efforts, but Down regrouped to hit three more scores before half-time from Colm Flanagan, Anthony Doherty and O'Hare.

Ciaran Murtagh's half-time introduction boosted Roscommon and his brother Diarmuid hit two scores before two more points from another substitute Donie Shine reduced Down's lead to 0-9 to 0-7 by the 53rd minute.

At that stage the momentum appeared to be with the Rossies but then came a turning point as Down keeper Reid spread himself to save Murtagh's penalty.

O'Hagan's superb point from play two minutes later was a steadying score for Down.

After a scoreless 12 minutes, O'Hanlon's free added to Down's lead with Madine's score rounding off their win.

Down's win puts them level at the top of the table on four points with leaders Cork although Meath and Cavan, both on three points, have a game in hand on the Rebel and Mourne counties.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 11, 2018, 09:13:18 PM
Great result for Down today, have to be honest I didn't see it happening after last weeks performance but 4 points with 2 more home games to come puts us in a good place, not much between any teams in this league (apart from Louth)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 12, 2018, 12:17:51 PM
10 down scorers (to Roscommon's 4) should mean plenty of the lads enjoyed the game yesterday  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 12, 2018, 02:08:07 PM
free takers of the likes of Carr, Mason, G McCartan make such a difference

Anthony Doherty and Darragh OHanlon and Donal Ohare look like being our go to men for the dead ball duites

down need to get the supply to the opposition 45 quicker than they do and this can increase the chances of getting frees in the modern game

just a thought
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Post by: umpire on February 13, 2018, 10:01:09 PM
Easter

Easter Tuesday,3rd of April
Div one league games

Rostrevor v Clonduff
Ballyholland v Burren
Saval v An Riocht
Downpatrick v Castlewellan
Bryansford v Kilcoo
Mayobridge v CPN
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Post by: ApresMatch on February 14, 2018, 08:16:08 AM
Any reason why these games are on a Tuesday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 14, 2018, 08:41:40 AM
Quote from: ApresMatch on February 14, 2018, 08:16:08 AM
Any reason why these games are on a Tuesday?
To allow for family commitments on Easter weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 14, 2018, 10:03:12 PM
The players will love this, no scoops over Easter weekend!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 17, 2018, 08:11:00 AM
Quote from: Targetman on February 14, 2018, 10:03:12 PM
The players will love this, no scoops over Easter weekend!!
Easter Tuesday fixtures are scheduled almost every year.

Apparently the season dragged on too long last year (even though late October / early November league playoffs happened every year I played football), so if you're suggesting the county board are wrong to do this, then I'd suggest they cannot win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 17, 2018, 11:33:54 PM
Anyone know how Down minors did today ?

I see the U16's won both games v Antrim
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Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on February 18, 2018, 10:13:47 PM
Can I just begin with saying how good of a tournament I think the Malachy Murdock is, which is ironic as he was such a great man. I went on Friday night - a miserable night may I add to see the stone against the harps. Inevitably both teams where rusty as it is preseason but I must say both teams did very well and made it a great game. The stone under shorty where aggressive and hungry, and with polie and ambrose playing made it a hard game for Ballyholland. The Harps were a bit slow to start of the game but gradually got there and played some great fluent football. Talking to a few men while watching the warm up I noticed a few new faces in the Ballyholland squad- later finding out that 5 of the squad are still playing minor football this year. 2 of these started and played great stuff- one eventually scoring the winning goal. Not often a team mixes in so many young players in the one batch but Poacher obviously sees something within these players as not any Tom Dick or Harry can play senior football. From what I saw, The stone will have great spirit and momentum going forward and should be there or there abouts for promotion to Division 1, while the Harps can look forward with promise to the future, with the energy these young players bring and the experience they still have- was a great watch.
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Post by: downjim on February 20, 2018, 04:07:43 PM
How do you think the two promoted teams will do this year?? I can see a really competitive division one this season with no game a simple two points.
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Post by: supersub on February 20, 2018, 05:19:28 PM
Quote from: downjim on February 20, 2018, 04:07:43 PM
How do you think the two promoted teams will do this year?? I can see a really competitive division one this season with no game a simple two points.

In which Division?  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 20, 2018, 06:07:43 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 20, 2018, 05:19:28 PM
Quote from: downjim on February 20, 2018, 04:07:43 PM
How do you think the two promoted teams will do this year?? I can see a really competitive division one this season with no game a simple two points.

In which Division?  ;D
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Post by: Mourne Rover on February 23, 2018, 05:46:09 PM
A visit to Newry by Clare is not usually a key fixture but the result on Sunday will probably define our league season. We all know that the present Down squad is a work in progress and is fully capable of winning away to Roscommon and then losing at home to Clare, who hammered us in Ennis last year. The wrong result would leave us looking over our shoulder, with tough trips to Cavan and Meath and a pretty unpredictable home game against Tipperary still to come. However, beating Clare would leave us four points ahead of them, with Louth practically gone already. If Clare somehow caught us, the head to head result would still give us the advantage.

Hopefully a team will be named tonight and a first start of the season for McKernan would give us a big lift. He may well be needed to cope with Brennan, who is a serious midfielder for them, and Madine's strength would probably also be useful for us at some stage of the proceedings.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 23, 2018, 06:05:36 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 23, 2018, 05:46:09 PM
A visit to Newry by Clare is not usually a key fixture but the result on Sunday will probably define our league season. We all know that the present Down squad is a work in progress and is fully capable of winning away to Roscommon and then losing at home to Clare, who hammered us in Ennis last year. The wrong result would leave us looking over our shoulder, with tough trips to Cavan and Meath and a pretty unpredictable home game against Tipperary still to come. However, beating Clare would leave us four points ahead of them, with Louth practically gone already. If Clare somehow caught us, the head to head result would still give us the advantage.

Hopefully a team will be named tonight and a first start of the season for McKernan would give us a big lift. He may well be needed to cope with Brennan, who is a serious midfielder for them, and Madine's strength would probably also be useful for us at some stage of the proceedings.

A win would probably have most of us eating our words from the start of the season and looking at a possible promotion tilt. But as you said, a loss and we would be in big trouble. Hopefully we won't be caught out like last year and home advantage will give us enough to get over the line, 6 points on the board and we should be safe at the very least. Neither a win nor a loss would surprise me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 25, 2018, 12:12:38 PM
Neither McKernan nor O'Hanlon start and McKibben replaces Poland at midfield - it looks a solid enough side and we should also have some options from the bench.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 25, 2018, 04:09:47 PM
Losing to Clare again. Back in the relegation mix. Cavan away next weekend a result doesn't look likely there. 1 step forward 2 back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 25, 2018, 04:38:16 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 25, 2018, 04:09:47 PM
Losing to Clare again. Back in the relegation mix. Cavan away next weekend a result doesn't look likely there. 1 step forward 2 back.
really poor stuff today. Clare brought far more intensity and movement in their play than Down and their tackling and breaking forward from the back was also superior to anything Down could muster. in saying that Down had some shocking wides, some of which were taken from ridiculous angles. if only half of those wides had went over we won with a few points to spare but it would have been undeserved. 2 home games 2 losses and back to looking to the bottom of the table rather than the top.

on another note i thought it was poor that there was no minutes silence for the 2 gaels from downpatrick and ballygalget that died during the week.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on February 25, 2018, 07:02:24 PM
The tough statistic for Eamon Burns after today's result is that we have now lost eight out of nine home league games under his management. A record like that means that away sides routinely arrive in Newry knowing they have decent prospects and we were not exactly helped by conceding a goal after 30 seconds.

However, we actually recovered well and created a stack of chances only to miss most of them badly. Most of our 15 wides were from very kickable positions and drained the confidence out of our team.

Clare are a decent side, with two excellent midfielders and an outstanding centre forward in Cleary, but converting straightforward frees, never mind the penalty, would have got us over the line.

Our defence had a mixed day, with Flanagan showing up well again and Mooney having both brilliant and careless moments. O'Hanlon was noticeably off form and should not have been asked to take the penalty

McKibbin was decent at midfield as well as winning the penalty, and Millar as usual covered a huge amount of ground, but our attack did not really function properly. O'Hare had a brilliant first half, including his goal, but faded after the break while O'Hagan won plenty of possession without hurting the opposition and Johnston struggled badly and did not look fit. Morgan was the only sub to make an impact, and we clearly need Harrison back.

There will be no easy points in our last three fixtures and there must be a possibility that we will have to get something out of the trip to Navan on the last day to avoid relegation.



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Post by: Targetman on February 25, 2018, 10:03:00 PM
Very poor performance today that leaves relegation a distinct possibility, Clare's direct play as opposed to our lateral play paid dividends for them and in Gary Brennan they have a player who bossed the midfield area, too many wides and OHanlon missing yet another penalty proved costly, Cavan away next week is gonna be extremely hard as they are flying at the minute
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 26, 2018, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 12, 2018, 02:08:07 PM
free takers of the likes of Carr, Mason, G McCartan make such a difference

Anthony Doherty and Darragh OHanlon and Donal Ohare look like being our go to men for the dead ball duites

down need to get the supply to the opposition 45 quicker than they do and this can increase the chances of getting frees in the modern game

just a thought

the lack of a decent free taker is killing us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 26, 2018, 05:49:05 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 26, 2018, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 12, 2018, 02:08:07 PM
free takers of the likes of Carr, Mason, G McCartan make such a difference

Anthony Doherty and Darragh OHanlon and Donal Ohare look like being our go to men for the dead ball duites

down need to get the supply to the opposition 45 quicker than they do and this can increase the chances of getting frees in the modern game

just a thought

the lack of a decent free taker is killing us
While your point is clearly valid LG, on basis of 15 wides, a greater concern for me is the inability of management to read the game. Doherty is an excellent freetaker from the 45 m range. He may miss the odd one but he has brought a consistency that we haven't had since Marty Clarke. Yet someone decided yesterday that he should be changed mid-match and we had O'Hare, O'Hanlon and Morgan stepping up with little conviction and the inevitable miss. Yet in injury time, when it's too late, Doherty gets the nod again and strokes it over. Equally, why was O'Hanlon entrusted with the penalty ? I don't blame the lad, and he sought divine intervention before kicking it, but everyone round us was calling out for O'Hare to take it.
In Ennis last year Clare came at us in droves for the first five minutes and virtually killed the game with an early goal. We might have expected a strong emphasis on defence in the early stages but instead they came at us again and we were four down before management woke up. Poor show on the sidelines and the costly loss of two points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 26, 2018, 07:07:56 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on February 26, 2018, 05:49:05 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 26, 2018, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 12, 2018, 02:08:07 PM
free takers of the likes of Carr, Mason, G McCartan make such a difference

Anthony Doherty and Darragh OHanlon and Donal Ohare look like being our go to men for the dead ball duites

down need to get the supply to the opposition 45 quicker than they do and this can increase the chances of getting frees in the modern game

just a thought

the lack of a decent free taker is killing us
While your point is clearly valid LG, on basis of 15 wides, a greater concern for me is the inability of management to read the game. Doherty is an excellent freetaker from the 45 m range. He may miss the odd one but he has brought a consistency that we haven't had since Marty Clarke. Yet someone decided yesterday that he should be changed mid-match and we had O'Hare, O'Hanlon and Morgan stepping up with little conviction and the inevitable miss. Yet in injury time, when it's too late, Doherty gets the nod again and strokes it over. Equally, why was O'Hanlon entrusted with the penalty ? I don't blame the lad, and he sought divine intervention before kicking it, but everyone round us was calling out for O'Hare to take it.
In Ennis last year Clare came at us in droves for the first five minutes and virtually killed the game with an early goal. We might have expected a strong emphasis on defence in the early stages but instead they came at us again and we were four down before management woke up. Poor show on the sidelines and the costly loss of two points.

a combination of mistakes cost the game. you can just about stomach a defeat if beaten by the better team on the day. Down threw it away. Doherty should have started
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 27, 2018, 04:25:02 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on February 26, 2018, 05:49:05 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 26, 2018, 10:08:05 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 12, 2018, 02:08:07 PM
free takers of the likes of Carr, Mason, G McCartan make such a difference

Anthony Doherty and Darragh OHanlon and Donal Ohare look like being our go to men for the dead ball duites

down need to get the supply to the opposition 45 quicker than they do and this can increase the chances of getting frees in the modern game

just a thought

the lack of a decent free taker is killing us
While your point is clearly valid LG, on basis of 15 wides, a greater concern for me is the inability of management to read the game. Doherty is an excellent freetaker from the 45 m range. He may miss the odd one but he has brought a consistency that we haven't had since Marty Clarke. Yet someone decided yesterday that he should be changed mid-match and we had O'Hare, O'Hanlon and Morgan stepping up with little conviction and the inevitable miss. Yet in injury time, when it's too late, Doherty gets the nod again and strokes it over. Equally, why was O'Hanlon entrusted with the penalty ? I don't blame the lad, and he sought divine intervention before kicking it, but everyone round us was calling out for O'Hare to take it.
In Ennis last year Clare came at us in droves for the first five minutes and virtually killed the game with an early goal. We might have expected a strong emphasis on defence in the early stages but instead they came at us again and we were four down before management woke up. Poor show on the sidelines and the costly loss of two points.

So the penalty taker should be assigned by who those in the stand think should be taking it? My God. He was entrusted with it as he is the penalty taker has has been for a few years now. A good one at that - granted he has missed a couple recently, but who doesn't. You may also be forgetting that O'Hanlon was the top scorer in the league for Down last year (possibly Championship not sure) due to his free taking ability - again, logically there should be no problem with him stepping up at any stage of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 27, 2018, 11:35:28 PM
O'Hanlon is a fine defender, but his free taking can be mixed as we saw against Monaghan at Croke Park. While he was our top scorer in the league last year, O'Hare held that title for the previous four seasons in a row and is a more natural striker of a dead ball. O'Hanlon deserves full credit for tucking away a pressure kick in the first Monaghan game last summer but he missed his last penalty in a big match for Kilcoo against Slaughneil in the Ulster club championship last Autumn. As it was at the same end of the ground in Newry, it may have been on his mind on Sunday. However, he was the designated penalty taker and there is no guarantee that O'Hare, who was excellent in the first half but poor after the break, would have done any better. If we had taken half of the straightforward other chances we missed against Clare, the penalty would not have mattered anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 07, 2018, 04:36:13 PM
Are yiz for Breffni?

First and only Ulster opposition in the league may prove some sort of barometer for us for the first part of the summer.

Safe trip all to and take 'er cool around those Cootehill/Ballybay corners!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 09, 2018, 04:19:21 PM
Yiz must have no interest or only have eyes for the Ulster rugby trial thread.

Any word of a team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 09, 2018, 05:55:32 PM
I hope to go - more in hope than expectation,
I think Burns will stick with more or less the same team but likely to bring in Connaire Harrison. There's too much pressure being put on Connaire imo; might be better keeping him on the bench to start with. O'Hare had a good first 45 minutes against Clare and O'Hagan should come good with more time under his belt.
I would start Shane Harrison in goals as he's a better all round bet than Reid but the Ford man likely to get the call.
Defence were just ok last day but performed well in the first three games so not many changes expected.
Stick with Doherty on the fees from 40-60m and the 45s.
I would start McKernan with Donnelly at mf and keep McKibbin as an option off the bench. Maginn was subdued the last day but quality normally comes back quickly and he has been consistent for 8 years!
A point would be good, two would be great but I think we will find it tough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 09, 2018, 06:20:18 PM
Aaron Morgan for McKibbon
Harrison for Maginn
McKernan for Johnstone

That's the changes I would make.B O Hagen needs the games as he missed last season and is a threat when he gets going.Thought the defence done well against Clare
Darren o Hagen and Caolan Mooney have are great at attacking
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 09, 2018, 07:53:45 PM
I'd go for
Harrisson/Reid
Flanagan mcardle ohagan
Ohanlon mcparland Mooney
Donnelly Poland
Millar McKernan r.johnson
Ohare Harrisson morgan
I think we could get 2 points on sat night, Burns has experimented in the first four games and there has been some positives, but I think the time is right to start our strongest side and get in championship mode.
I expect he will start Maginn but I just don't think he effects the game enough from such an important position and I don't know where else he could fit in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 10, 2018, 07:51:55 AM
I see McKiernan is named at FF for Cavan. Burns might pick Docherty to man mark him, similar to when he was drafted in to mark Murnin against Armagh in the championship last year. A horses for courses situation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 10, 2018, 01:16:44 PM
barry o'hagan has left the panel apparently, wont be involved tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on March 10, 2018, 01:19:54 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 10, 2018, 01:16:44 PM
barry o'hagan has left the panel apparently, wont be involved tonight.
as far as i know hes going on a stag this weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 10, 2018, 04:08:09 PM
Hearing reports Darren doesn't play tonight either but no team named yet
Hopefully not true as he is playing well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 11, 2018, 07:57:55 AM
Anyone the starting team last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 11, 2018, 08:03:32 AM

Allianz FL D2: Cavan maintain impressive form
Saturday, March 10, 2018
 
Allianz Football League Division Two

CAVAN 0-17 DOWN 0-14

By Paul Fitzpatrick at Kingspan Breffni

Cavan are one step closer to achieving their goal of returning to Division 1 after they saw off Down in an eventful clash at Kingspan Breffni.

The visitors will feel they did enough to come away with something, but some wayward shooting cost them and Cavan finished stronger with a succession of quality scores in the dying minutes. Key to their success was the form of Gearoid McKiernan, who was excellent throughout.

At half-time, the Mourne men led by the odd point in 13 after a helter skelter 35 minutes.

Down, coming off the back of a disappointing home loss to Clare, were the better side in that opening half when, backed by the wind, they soaked up a lot of Cavan pressure and broke out of defence at pace, with pacey ball-carrier Ryan Johnston and target man Connaire Harrison prominent.

For Cavan, McKiernan, making his first start of the campaign, was the Breffni side's go-to man. He kicked the opening point after four minutes and youngster Caoimhin O'Reilly booted over a second but the next four fell to Down.

Donal O'Hare landed the first and the lively Harrison levelled matters before Anthony Doherty came up from the half-back line – where he was marking Dara McVeety – to boom over a 50-metre free from the ground.

And when Harrison sent over an exquisite score after a nice dummy, the visitors were two up and humming.

Cavan, to their credit, hauled themselves back into the contest and after sub Cian Mackey and O'Hare (with a wonderful free from the sideline) traded points, O'Reilly (free) and McKiernan tied the game again on the half-hour mark.

Bryan Magee, with a long-range free, nudged Cavan in front again but Down had the final say in the first half with Ryan Johnston blazing through for his first and O'Hara adding another free from the hands.

Tempers flared at the break, with referee Padraig O'Sullivan speaking to mentors; Down manager Eamonn Burns did not re-appear on the sideline for the second half.

The attritional nature of proceedings continued on the restart. With the wind at their backs, Cavan began brightly, sub Adrian Cole teeing Conor Moynagh up for a well-taken score.

A long-range Doherty free was cancelled out by a superb point from veteran Mackey, now in his 14th season with the Blues, and when McKiernan drove over a huge score from outside the 45, Cavan sensed they could kick on.

Down, though, had other ideas and hung in there stubbornly. Shay Millar clipped in to level the teams yet again in the 48th minute, but Cavan finally put some daylight between them with three points in five minutes from O'Reilly (free), sub Conor Bradley and Oisin Kiernan.

The home side were living dangerously, though. Raymond Galligan was called into action and saved smartly and Down looked to be in for a certain goal only for Milar, who had to be helped off afterwards, to be upended.

O'Hare and Man of the Match McKiernan – with a massive score from the wing – both raised white flags but Down wouldn't go away and they were soon on level terms again with points from Caolan Mooney, Kevin McKernan and Ruairi Wells.

Entering the tension-filled last five minutes, there was nothing between them but Cavan would out-score their opponents by 0-4 to 0-1 when it mattered most.

Sub Sean Johnston conjured a beauty, Dara McVeety did likewise and goalkeeper Ray Galligan converted a 45 deep in injury time.

Harrison hit back with a free but Cavan had one final break out of defence and newcomer Conor Bradley made it count, fisting over the insurance point to seal a hard-earned win for Mattie McGleenan's men.

Scorers for Cavan: Gearoid McKiernan 0-4, Caoimhin O'Reilly 0-3 (2fs), Cian Mackey 0-2, Conor Bradley 0-2, Raymond Galligan 0-1 (45), Bryan Magee 0-1 (f), Dara McVeety 0-1, Conor Moynagh 0-1, Oisin Kiernan 0-1.

Scorers for Down: Donal O'Hare 0-4 (3fs), Connaire Harrison 0-3 (1f), Anthony Doherty 0-2 (2fs),  Shay Millar 0-1, Ryan Johnston 0-1, Caolan Mooney 0-1, Ruairi Wells 0-1, Kevin McKernan 0-1 .

CAVAN: Raymond Galligan, Jason McLoughlin, Padraig Faulkner, Conor Brady, Martin Reilly, Ciaran Brady, Enda Flanagan, Stephen Murray, Bryan Magee, Dara McVeety, Conor Moynagh, Oisin Kiernan, Niall Clerkin, Gearoid McKiernan, Caoimhin O'Reilly

Subs: Cian Mackey for Conor Brady (25 mins), Adrian Cole for Clerkin (h/t), Conor Bradley) for Moynagh (45), Sean Johnston (0-1) for Flanagan (65), Killian Clarke for Murray (68)

DOWN: Marc Reid, Colm Flanagan, Brendan McArdle, Anthony Doherty, Ruairi Wells, Niall McParland, Caolan Mooney, Peter Turley, Niall Donnelly, Conor Francis, Conor Maginn, Shay Millar, Connaire Harrison, Donal O'Hare, Ryan Johnston

Subs: Kevin McKernan for Francis (45), David McKibbin for Millar (57), Conor Poland for Donnelly, Ronan Millar for O'Hare (68).

REFEREE: Padraig O'Sullivan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 11, 2018, 11:27:37 AM
2 players from Burren, 1 from Kilcoo and 0 from Mayobridge. Our county management team need to watch more division one and senior championship  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 11, 2018, 11:46:32 AM
So who is missing then Jimbo.?
Name them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 11, 2018, 11:53:34 AM
Gerard McGovern
Mark McKay
Darragh O Hanlon
Dabs Brannigan

And don't come with the line be won't join the squad go and ask him don't send someone else to ask him

Be interesting to see do the lads that went on the stag get the same treatment as Gerard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 11, 2018, 12:00:28 PM
"There must be players in the lower divisions" . There is a lot of great players in division one. That's why they are in division one 👌👌👌
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 11, 2018, 12:03:00 PM
And it's ok to go on a stag doo but not to head away for a midweek break with the other half. Anyway if you are at a loose end today. We play our noisy neighbours at 6pm today in the Malachy Murdock semi final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 11, 2018, 08:47:58 PM
Meath and Clare both yet to play Louth. Div 3 is now a very real possibility.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 12, 2018, 12:58:18 PM
Tipperary this weekend a big test but a win should see us safe would that be right?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 12, 2018, 01:24:49 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 12, 2018, 12:58:18 PM
Tipperary this weekend a big test but a win should see us safe would that be right?

Nope, Meath will beat Louth and will be on 5 points when we play them. Basically, regardless of the Tipp result, if we beat Meath then we stay in Div 2. If we lose to Meath (even after beating Tipp), then we are probably going to be swapping places with Armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 12, 2018, 01:29:06 PM
Should've beat Clare, Could've beat Cavan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on March 12, 2018, 01:58:51 PM
Looking at our players it will be massively disappointing if we get relegated as we are good enough to remain in Division Two and need to stay there at least if there is to be any hope of provincial honours for this relatively young team. In all the matches so far only Cork have outplayed us but as Armagh can testify there is no place for hard luck nowadays in league football.

The bigger problem remains in Down though that we seem to lose too many good players each year from the panel and never get our strongest players within the county lining up together. For whatever reason our best players end up leaving year in year out for whatever reason.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 12, 2018, 05:58:35 PM
Seen this statistic on Facebook

Jim McCrory Down
League
Played 8
Won 5
Lost 3
10 points from a possible 14(final defeat to Roscommon)
League wins against Galway Laois Westmeath Kildare Cavan

Championship
Played 2
Lost 2

Overall
Played 10
Won 5
Lost 5

Eamon Burns Down
League
Played 19
Won 4
Drew 1
Lost 14
9 points from a possible 38 points
Beat Derry Meath Roscommon Louth

Championship
Played 6
Won 2
Lost 4

Overall
Played 25
Lost 18
Won 6
Drew 1

No wonder players don't commit is it really worth it

6 wins in almost 3 years of football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 13, 2018, 11:20:45 AM
Burns in line for a touchline van according to reports.. Pushed a Cavan player during the match on Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 13, 2018, 12:19:30 PM
Brendan Crossan put a video of it up on Twitter, so that's probably true. He might get the same as Davy Fitz last year.

Wrt what Smurfy put up, that's depressing reading.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 13, 2018, 03:28:53 PM
Barry O'Hagan and Keith Quinn have now left the panel. If Burns is not suspended he could be playing this weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 13, 2018, 10:36:00 PM
Some day there'll be a positive story to come from the Down camp!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 14, 2018, 12:30:16 PM
Bad news travels faster (and further) than good news  :-*
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 18, 2018, 10:10:59 AM
Match off today, feckin snows a pain in the hole!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 20, 2018, 05:02:47 PM
Poacher got Carlow out of division 4. I would be his biggest critic at times generally for his language when we play them. But I do think he would be a good man in the Down set up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on March 20, 2018, 05:26:01 PM
Turlough o'brien maybe played a small role in their promotion?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 20, 2018, 05:46:54 PM
Poacher should be installed as the Down manager next year.
What can we loose with him?
9 league wins a row with Carlow.Some going
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 20, 2018, 10:06:53 PM
God forbid if we get relegated Poacher will be plotting our downfall next year, oh and another new home jersey out now, it doesn't seem that long since the last one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 21, 2018, 09:33:11 AM
Poacher isn't the Carlow Manager. He didn't single handed get anyone promoted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 21, 2018, 11:34:07 AM
Try telling him that!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 24, 2018, 10:11:37 PM
Tomorrow is effectively a relegation play-off, as a win guarantees us survival at Meath's expense while defeat, barring a highly unlikely combination  of results on the last day, will see us in D3. However, although this is arguably our most important league game of the last decade, we are still waiting to find out our official starting 15. The team would have been sent to the Meath county board on Friday for publication in the programme, so our opponents know it but Down supporters are kept in the dark. Although Meath's form to date indicates that they are a limited side, Navan is always a tough place to go.  We will need to be up for the physical challenge while maintaining our discipline and significantly improving our shooting. It is likely to be a high pressure afternoon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 24, 2018, 11:14:33 PM
Down as always will release the team at 20 minutes pre match
That won't change
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 25, 2018, 02:41:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 24, 2018, 11:14:33 PM
Down as always will release the team at 20 minutes pre match
That won't change

I don't think they'll bother with one today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 25, 2018, 03:27:43 PM
Awful start so far... hard to believe this team beat armagh and monaghan only last summer! Cant understand playing Turley still, great servant but hasnt the legs for it now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 25, 2018, 03:53:26 PM
Eamonn Burns has run his course. Brought us to Div 3 barring a miracle. Are we really this bad. Why can't Down get their best players in the pitch. But are we surprised though Down have been at a poor level since 1994 bar 2010. It is f**king hard following.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 25, 2018, 04:11:13 PM
Making a game of it. Hope springs eternal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 25, 2018, 04:40:57 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 25, 2018, 04:11:13 PM
Making a game of it. Hope springs eternal
HAMMERED and relegated. Deserve nothing else.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 25, 2018, 05:27:04 PM
Club games pulled next weekend. All games to be played Easter Tuesday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 25, 2018, 05:27:23 PM
Its a shambles, total shambles, 1 kilcoo starting and 3 from B.Ford.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on March 25, 2018, 05:36:59 PM
Honest question. Would any div 1 club have considered eamonn burns at the time he was appointed down manager in 2016 to manage them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 25, 2018, 06:29:32 PM
another poor performance in what has been a terrible league campaign. we have got what we deserved with division 3 now staring us in the face. questions need to be asked of the team selections, the style of play and why some of our better players are leaving the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 25, 2018, 07:12:37 PM
Very poor performance seem to be getting worse as the year goes on
Time for change regardless of how next week goes.
Good job we have Antrim in the first round of the championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 25, 2018, 07:17:03 PM
Quote from: downjim on March 25, 2018, 05:27:04 PM
Club games pulled next weekend. All games to be played Easter Tuesday
Where they not scheduled for then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 25, 2018, 07:27:08 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 25, 2018, 07:12:37 PM
Very poor performance seem to be getting worse as the year goes on
Time for change regardless of how next week goes.
Good job we have Antrim in the first round of the championship

Antrim will probably fancy their chances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 25, 2018, 08:20:45 PM
Another poor performance from Down today, beat by 9 it could have been a lot more considering Meath missed at least 3 other goal chances, barring a miracle its Div 3 next season and that's a poor reflection on Down football though its probably a fair one, while I admire any player that makes the commitment to playing county football the fact is the majority of our county footballers are not up to the standard required to compete with the top teams, not even the top teams, we're getting beat by counties where hurling is the main game, to be honest barring a couple of good results on the way to last years Ulster final its been a major disappointment under this current management, I can't see it improving!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 25, 2018, 08:52:30 PM
Yep. In fairness to Eamon it was a thankless task. He took it on when no one else wanted it. We had a decent summer last year which is rare in Down so thanks for that. But it's time to stand aside at the end of this championship campaign. Honestly we have run out of men to take over or who would want to take over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 25, 2018, 11:59:46 PM
This has been a hugely frustrating league season for Down as unlike 2016, when we were out of our depth in D1, and last year, when we were fairly fortunate to stay in D2, we were more than good enough to finish in at least a mid table position. However, we failed to pick up any of the points which were there for the taking in our home games against Cork and Clare and kicked ourselves out of the trip to Cavan.

Today was another bitter disappointment as, although we were ultimately well beaten, we came back strongly after allowing Meath to score goals in their first two attacks and only poor decision making prevented us from going in level at the break. We had to throw players forward in the second half and they were able to pick up turnovers and score at will.

It was the second time in three games that we had conceded a goal in the first minute, which should tell us something about our defensive set up. Reid has plenty of talent in nets, frequently placed excellent kick outs and made one blinding save. Unfortunately, he gave away at least three points by hitting the ball straight to opponents and he also gifted a score from a 45 after mishandling a shot which was going wide at a crucial stage when we were getting on top.

The rest of the defence was OK individually, with O'Hagan actually having an outstanding display until he was injured, but collectively we were full of gaps. Turley was excellent for about 50 minutes at midfield and then alarmingly ran out of steam but was left on to the final whistle while Donnelly, who did not play particularly well but is match fit, was replaced.

Johnston made no impact on the contest and should have been taken off earlier. Mooney had a couple of brilliant runs and some more awful moments as well. McKernan's black card was probably when we knew there was no way back, while Harrison was tightly marked but still manage a couple of points from a limited supply.

It is not impossible that Louth, who really hate Meath, will put up a decent show on the last day, but they are fairly unlikely to win even if we see off Tipperary who have nothing to play for. D3 beckons and it may also be dawning on Antrim that a little self belief could take them a long way when the championship comes around.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 26, 2018, 09:19:49 AM
Niall Madine and Conor Francis the latest players to have left the panel
They may go and get a few more Kilcoo lads on the panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: crice123 on March 26, 2018, 11:17:44 AM
The problem with our county set up, is that there is to much politics, e.g some kilcoo players won't play because they don't like burns, ballyholland players won't play due to the treatment of joe Murphy. We need a completely neutral management team from outside the county to have the best chance of getting our best players to play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 26, 2018, 11:59:00 AM
Hold on a second.
Are you saying that there was more than one Ballyholland Player asked to go play for Down!!!!???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on March 26, 2018, 12:03:39 PM
The way the county board have treated poacher sums it all up. Next year, our match against Carlow will be interesting...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: crice123 on March 26, 2018, 12:08:58 PM
I'm saying politics is severely effecting our countys performance brick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down4sam2020 on March 26, 2018, 12:11:00 PM
Why doesn’t white from ballyhaolland play , pretty sure he won best club club player in the whole county a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on March 26, 2018, 12:24:10 PM
(https://scontent.fdub4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/28947651_1869223573121065_378109394970700552_o.jpg?oh=c8e850363fc25babeb9096326eac8a28&oe=5B2E64CC)

Congratulations to the Burren team and management on winning the Malachy Murdock Tournament defeating Crossmaglen 3-13 to 2-12 in an excellent, fast paced, sporting game.
Commiserations to Crossmaglen and thanks for your continued support of our tournament in honour of Malachy.
Burren captain Gerard Mc Govern receives the Malachy Murdock trophy from Collie Campbell representing tournament sponsors Murdock Builders Merchants.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 26, 2018, 12:44:28 PM
Quote from: Down4sam2020 on March 26, 2018, 12:03:39 PM
The way the county board have treated poacher sums it all up. Next year, our match against Carlow will be interesting...

What exactly did the County Board do to Stephen that was so horrendous?
Enlighten us all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 26, 2018, 04:06:45 PM
Is there a man within the county that would have the respect of all the club's and players and would they make themselves available. Something needs to be done about players leaving the panel. And it's understandable why. It's a massive commitment to put in as an amateur tho get relegated to Div 3. We treated mccorry terribly and he was prob the best qualified in the county for the job. Although that Wexford defeat was hard to take in hindsight it was a typical Down result. How many times over the years do Down just not bother to turn up. Give it to someone and let them build from the ground up. What do we have to lose. Apart from the 60s we have competed for 3 years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on March 26, 2018, 08:17:25 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 26, 2018, 04:06:45 PM
Is there a man within the county that would have the respect of all the club's and players and would they make themselves available. Something needs to be done about players leaving the panel. And it's understandable why. It's a massive commitment to put in as an amateur tho get relegated to Div 3. We treated mccorry terribly and he was prob the best qualified in the county for the job. Although that Wexford defeat was hard to take in hindsight it was a typical Down result. How many times over the years do Down just not bother to turn up. Give it to someone and let them build from the ground up. What do we have to lose. Apart from the 60s we have competed for 3 years

Yes.. Pete McGrath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 26, 2018, 08:41:43 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on March 26, 2018, 08:17:25 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 26, 2018, 04:06:45 PM
Is there a man within the county that would have the respect of all the club's and players and would they make themselves available. Something needs to be done about players leaving the panel. And it's understandable why. It's a massive commitment to put in as an amateur tho get relegated to Div 3. We treated mccorry terribly and he was prob the best qualified in the county for the job. Although that Wexford defeat was hard to take in hindsight it was a typical Down result. How many times over the years do Down just not bother to turn up. Give it to someone and let them build from the ground up. What do we have to lose. Apart from the 60s we have competed for 3 years

Yes.. Pete McGrath

You're deluded
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 26, 2018, 08:53:11 PM
He's beyond deluded.
Ask Louth players what they make of Pete.Actually ask the Fermanagh boys too.

Wee James to ride in on a white horse next season when the only way is up and gain promotion at first time of asking. All will be well again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 26, 2018, 09:01:26 PM
I guarantee Poacher would get the players on board
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 26, 2018, 09:26:01 PM
Conor Deegan along with Poacher as trainer?

Anyone suggesting Pete McGrath hasn't a clue in fairness

Pete has been brilliant for Down but he got the chop from Fermanagh and has already lost the dressing room in Louth

Absolutely deluded
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 26, 2018, 09:48:38 PM
To be honest I'm not sure why Conor Deegan would be seen as an upgrade/improvement/change of direction from Burns. His managerial career doesn't suggest so.

Time to leave the class of 1991/94 behind folks. A truly wonderful football team. Indeed football probably came too naturally easy to them for them to understand the limitations of mere mortals. They've nearly all had a stab at management and their successes will never need a second hand to count up. Let's remember them as players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 26, 2018, 09:56:34 PM
Deegan probably the last of the 91/94 left that's why I suggested him

Know very little about him
Who else is out that could come in?
Any outside man is probably what is needed?
Wobbler what do you think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 26, 2018, 10:04:51 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 26, 2018, 09:56:34 PM
Deegan probably the last of the 91/94 left that's why I suggested him

Know very little about him
Who else is out that could come in?
Any outside man is probably what is needed?
Wobbler what do you think

Seeing as we haven't had a local coach win a Down SFC in a hundred years (who was the last one?), we haven't had any success at minor or u21 level for a decade, and it's genuinely impossible to think of a Down coach apart from Poacher who's made strides with any club outside Down, or any other county team, then it kind of has to go outside.

That said, Conor Laverty clearly has a grasp of the whole equation, and along with Steven Poacher would be an interesting combination. f**k knows if they could even work together, but there'd be no shortage of enthusiasm and coaching excellence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 26, 2018, 10:21:03 PM
Good shout wobbler
Laverty in a few years I would imagine he will play for a few years
It's about time poacher got a go at it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 26, 2018, 10:22:48 PM
 anyone care to enlighten us what issue is with poacher and county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 26, 2018, 10:24:58 PM
I just think they don't like what he does along the line
Results don't lie get him in
The current management team will still be there in 2019 mark my words
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 26, 2018, 10:26:38 PM
 The county board don't like what he does along the line.. that's it? Must be more to it than that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 26, 2018, 10:54:36 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 26, 2018, 10:24:58 PM
I just think they don't like what he does along the line
Results don't lie get him in
The current management team will still be there in 2019 mark my words

I'm not so sure. Paddy O'Rourke had the full backing of the executive in 2006 but it still wasn't enough (which to this day is why I'll tell anyone who listens, that the clubs are the county board, even if they don't believe it).

Poacher and the county board is a personality clash. Nothing much more complicated than that. His heart-on-the-sleeve, say-whatever-the-f**k-comes-into-your head approach to football just doesn't sit well with some of our more traditional county board stalwarts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 27, 2018, 08:04:26 AM
Anyone else hear about a bit of unrest in the Down changing room?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 27, 2018, 09:45:31 AM
Sunday was disappointing but as has been noted, the overall performances are better than last year. Fermanagh and Clare last year were brutal; nothing has come close to that this season. Down are a confidence team; when we are confident, like Derry away in the league and Armagh/Monaghan ( first game) last year, we perform. However, more savvy teams have spotted that an early goal ( or two) can torpedo us. So to allow a one on one situation with Meath's first attack was careless; and to follow that up with allowing a direct overlapping attack in for another goal was criminal.
We have a stronger team this year and for that, Burns and Murray deserve some credit. What if any impact has Adams made ? Is he still there ? We seem to have loads of people running up and down the sideline, including the county secretary, but I'm not clear on their roles. With the number of players who have left the panel it is clear that man management is not good.
I cannot fault the effort and commitment of the players. While there may have been some individual mistakes, I have not seen any player not trying his best. I think we can beat Tipp and you can't underestimate how much Louth would like to relegate Meath but if we escaped relegation by some fluke ( like last year) it's papering over the cracks.
Ulster has become a province of three divisions; Tyrone, Monaghan, Donegal in one, Cavan, Armagh, Fermanagh in two and Derry, Antrim and ourselves in three. It's now ten years since a team from outside the top three has won Ulster and I don't see that changing soon.
Going forward I agree with identifying Laverty as an essential part of any management outfit; love him or loathe him, he demonstrates what we need to succeed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 27, 2018, 09:54:38 AM
How do you see that we are a stronger team than last year?
Is the full back line better?No
Is the half back line any better?No
Midfield?No
Half forward line?No
Full forward line ?No
Some lads haven't hit the heights of last year
The record doesn't lie
Played 26
Won 4
Drew 1
Lost 21
The sooner people wake up and smell the coffee the better
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 27, 2018, 10:10:11 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 26, 2018, 10:54:36 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 26, 2018, 10:24:58 PM
I just think they don’t like what he does along the line
Results don’t lie get him in
The current management team will still be there in 2019 mark my words

I’m not so sure. Paddy O’Rourke had the full backing of the executive in 2006 but it still wasn’t enough (which to this day is why I’ll tell anyone who listens, that the clubs are the county board, even if they don’t believe it).


Poacher and the county board is a personality clash. Nothing much more complicated than that. His heart-on-the-sleeve, say-whatever-the-f**k-comes-into-your head approach to football just doesn’t sit well with some of our more traditional county board stalwarts.

I think the county board should realise they are no angels themselves.. As someone who plays club football, players like a manager like poacher someone who’s willing to go in the trenches with you, I’ve coached underage and the new breed of players need man management, someone passionate about Gaelic football, it’s something poacher would bring, something I don’t think the current down management do? He’d create a siege mentality like him and Turlough have done in Carlow, players buy into that that.. Just look at soccer Mourinho in his prime, Guardiola etc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 27, 2018, 10:17:35 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 27, 2018, 09:54:38 AM
How do you see that we are a stronger team than last year?
Is the full back line better?No- Disagree- Flanagan has been excellent, Doherty good
Is the half back line any better?No - Disagree- McPartland , Mooney, O'Hanlon have all played well in parts
Midfield?No - Disagree- last year we had no consistency, Donnelly and McKernan probably best combination
Half forward line? No - agree- under-performing. Darren O'Hagan could add something.
Full forward line ? No- disagree- Harrison didn't play one league game last year and is our main threat. Morgan has brought added value.
Some lads haven't hit the heights of last year
The record doesn't lie - this is a record over three years- I have been consistent on my views of this management team
Played 26
Won 4
Drew 1
Lost 21
The sooner people wake up and smell the coffee the better See above. I think Poacher will stay with Carlow but I wouldn't rule him out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 27, 2018, 10:32:32 AM
While respecting your opinion are you being serious?
McGovern O Hagen in the full back line or Doherty Flanagan?
Half backline?Can you tell me what McParland actually does at 6?O Hanlon has barely kicked a ball in the league?
Midfield?Donnelly has been terrible this season Turley much better
Agree with you on the full forward line though
What's your opinions will the current management still be in a job in 2019?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 27, 2018, 11:38:55 AM
No harm to you lads but your making poacher out to be Jim Gavin/Harte and O'Dwyer all rolled into one here. He has not won any silverware with any club or county teams. Granted he has won a few D schools titles but he does improve average to below average teams and I think this is where we can capitalise his strengths.
Paddy O'Rourke and Mickey Linden have coached teams to win Down SFC but I can't think of anyone else.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 27, 2018, 12:04:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 27, 2018, 10:32:32 AM
While respecting your opinion are you being serious?
McGovern O Hagen in the full back line or Doherty Flanagan?
Half backline?Can you tell me what McParland actually does at 6?O Hanlon has barely kicked a ball in the league?
Midfield?Donnelly has been terrible this season Turley much better
Agree with you on the full forward line though
What's your opinions will the current management still be in a job in 2019?
McGovern and O'Hagan would be in my starting FB line but Flanagan and Doherty have done well so we have more options there.
O'Hanlon has played in the majority of league games so don't understand how you think he has barely kicked a ball? McPartland is a strong fit player who is in his first full league campaign so will develop at CHB.
Turley rarely lets us down but Donnelly has done ok.
I don't think the current managements will, or should, be in post in 2019; the best we can hope for is a respectable championship to let them leave with some dignity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on March 27, 2018, 12:12:32 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 27, 2018, 10:32:32 AM
While respecting your opinion are you being serious?
McGovern O Hagen in the full back line or Doherty Flanagan?
Half backline?Can you tell me what McParland actually does at 6?O Hanlon has barely kicked a ball in the league?
Midfield?Donnelly has been terrible this season Turley much better
Agree with you on the full forward line though
What's your opinions will the current management still be in a job in 2019?
I agreed what does mc parland bring to the team at 6 or as captain. As for poacher he has won nothing at senior level, All he does is organise a group of ordinary players to defend at all costs god forbid if they try to entertain the crowd
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 27, 2018, 12:24:49 PM
Quote from: elk on March 27, 2018, 12:12:32 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 27, 2018, 10:32:32 AM
While respecting your opinion are you being serious?
McGovern O Hagen in the full back line or Doherty Flanagan?
Half backline?Can you tell me what McParland actually does at 6?O Hanlon has barely kicked a ball in the league?
Midfield?Donnelly has been terrible this season Turley much better
Agree with you on the full forward line though
What's your opinions will the current management still be in a job in 2019?
I agreed what does mc parland bring to the team at 6 or as captain. As for poacher he has won nothing at senior level, All he does is organise a group of ordinary players to defend at all costs god forbid if they try to entertain the crowd

Did you get that soundbite from Brolly?

If making a group of "ordinary players" competitive at a higher level than expected is what he does, then surely he's perfect for Down. Or maybe we should go after Jim Gavin??

—-

DownJim, as you've highlighted, if we want a Down man to do the job, and we would also like a prerequisite of proof of winning things, then we are going to have a very, very short list of candidates.

Recognising that Poacher's coaching and enthusiasm might be able to improve the current Down team is not the same thing as comparing him to Gavin or Harte. Genuinely, if we are looking for Down man to take the job, him and wee James (if willing) are the only obvious contenders. So of course people are going to champion his cause.

He's a f**king bollocks by the way and the sooner we get rid of him from Ballyholland the better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 27, 2018, 01:14:46 PM
O Hanlon has started 2 games
Played 5 minutes on Sunday?
What does McParland bring to the table?Why can't you answer that?
You believe Donnelly has played well?Against who?
We have gotten destroyed at midfield against
Louth
Cork
Clare
Meath
Cavan

Done ok against Roscommon as they had a midfielder sent off after 8 minutes.
You are talking absolute crap.
Wobbler talks a lot of sense
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 27, 2018, 02:15:10 PM
What's people's views on the leagues this year. Division one should be a tight affair with Saval and Rostrevor improving the standard. Burren had a good pre season winning our tournament but I will imagine they will experiment a lot during the season.
Kilcoo still the team, can anyone touch them??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 27, 2018, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: downjim on March 27, 2018, 02:15:10 PM
What's people's views on the leagues this year. Division one should be a tight affair with Saval and Rostrevor improving the standard. Burren had a good pre season winning our tournament but I will imagine they will experiment a lot during the season.
Kilcoo still the team, can anyone touch them??

Division 1 Winners - Burren
Division 2 Winners - Glenn
Division 3 Winners - Drumgath
Division 4 Winners - Teconnaught

Dont know relegation rules this year so cant comment on that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 27, 2018, 03:46:03 PM
Burren
Longstone
Shamrocks
Tecconaught
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on March 27, 2018, 03:47:25 PM
Is there any change on this weekends fixtures?

A number of fixtures between tomorrow and Saturday - will these be going ahead alright?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on March 28, 2018, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 27, 2018, 01:14:46 PM
O Hanlon has started 2 games
Played 5 minutes on Sunday?
What does McParland bring to the table?Why can't you answer that?
You believe Donnelly has played well?Against who?
We have gotten destroyed at midfield against
Louth
Cork
Clare
Meath
Cavan

Done ok against Roscommon as they had a midfielder sent off after 8 minutes.
You are talking absolute crap.
Wobbler talks a lot of sense

I've been to every game this year bar Roscommon and I think the Meath game was probably the first time that we had the better of things at midfield. Our problem is that our play was too one dimensional in Navan and Meath were easily able to nullify  any threat that we could have posed. No harm to anyone, but barring frees, Donal O'Hare offers nothing from open play at this level. He looked like he had been left on the field from the primary school game at half time  during the second half.
We have a terrible habit of repeating the same mistakes over and over again and not just on the playing field. While the man in the hat has a job for life nothing will change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 29, 2018, 10:02:59 PM
Any team announced?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 29, 2018, 11:02:37 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 29, 2018, 10:02:59 PM
Any team announced?
are you serious? The first you'll know about the team is 5 minutes before throw in, as is the Down way. Announce the team a couple of days before hand like other counties do and give the supporters something to talk about or something maybe to look forward to seeing.
This along with the refusal of the management to give any interviews after last weeks game I think shows a complete disregard for the supporters.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 29, 2018, 11:18:03 PM
The PR of our county team is absolutely terrible.Big games up talk crap sell it to the public do whatever needs to be done to get people talking and supporters out to the games.Name the team in the Thursday night gives people on sites offices schools something to talk about.That is all it takes.The crowds in newry this year have been poor could we be looking at the poorest crowd in 10/12 years on Saturday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 30, 2018, 08:37:12 AM
Who are the county PR team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 30, 2018, 09:05:07 AM
Maybe that's what they need to give them a kick up the arse. Hit them in the pocket, low gate. With all the guys that walkout on the squad they prob don't know the team until 5 mins b4 throw in. Do they not get fined for not naming the team on a Thursday night or is that just during championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 30, 2018, 09:19:58 AM
Well I would say it's part of the PRO job to PR what's happening in the county.Our social media accounts are possibly the worst in Ireland and that's not exaggeration.
In terms of naming the team it just puts a sour taste in supporting fans mouth that you are going to a game not known what the starting team is.Why not name it on a Thursday and give the supporters something positive to talk about.Cavan and Roscommon have already released a team for the division 2 final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 30, 2018, 01:15:13 PM
There are plenty of young administrators in every club that could move up the ranks. The only problem is that there are too many of the old guard still there. There is a man sitting on the county board that was part of the team who said 12 million was not enough for Newcastle and then bought that field at Burrenbridge. That's crazy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 30, 2018, 08:14:50 PM
So the Tipp game is on Saturday at 3pm. Will be interesting to see what team is lined out- and what crowd will turn up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 30, 2018, 09:49:22 PM
Liam Kearns makes 7 changes from last weeks defeat to Cavan for the trip to Newry tomorrow.The Tipperary team will also travel up the day of the game.
Surely this is Downs game now to lose
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 30, 2018, 10:56:14 PM
I don't think you'll have any bother getting one of the grey seats tomorrow, I'd like to see a full strength Tipp side playing us tomorrow but if he's made 7 changes its gonna be a weaker team but lets see if Down can put in an improved performance from last week when really it was poor, Down team to be named after the roll call just in case of any more defections!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 30, 2018, 11:12:47 PM
Lads all joking aside it has not been mentioned once on any of Downs official social media sites that Down plsy Tipperary tomorrow.Why can't someone take control of this?
Most other counties in Ireland kill social media in the lead up to games.It really shouldn't be that hard to do
Still no team named
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 31, 2018, 07:19:13 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 30, 2018, 11:12:47 PM
Lads all joking aside it has not been mentioned once on any of Downs official social media sites that Down plsy Tipperary tomorrow.Why can't someone take control of this?
Most other counties in Ireland kill social media in the lead up to games.It really shouldn't be that hard to do
Still no team named
Total incompetence.  A child could easily do all that. It shows how unprofessional a set up the Down county board are. We prob deserve to be in divison 3. I won't be wasting the petrol money from Dublin today.  Louth have no hope of getting anything against Meath. Every year it's been the same old from Down over last 20 odd years. Happy Easter all. Maybe the championship can bring better days. We live in hope.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 31, 2018, 03:43:27 PM
Louth winning at half time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 31, 2018, 05:41:07 PM
So it's division 3 here we come. Attitude changes and personnel changes needed from all including the county board, management and players to make sure we come straight back up and dont do a derry and end up in division 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 31, 2018, 06:23:05 PM
Agree 100% Sheedy.Changes needed at every level.Committee Management and Players need to take responsibility for this absolute collapse since Jim McCorry got the sack.He got them promoted and got a vote of no confidence from the big dogs now our next manger gets us 2 relegations in 3 years and not a word of change.Time for someone to come out and speak to the supporters and tell us what the hell is going on with all these walkouts.Time for heads to roll.Sick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 31, 2018, 07:47:34 PM
Can't disagree with any of that, if the attendances at this years games were poor wait till next season and the words poorly attended will will be used quite frequently, on today's game it was an improvement on last week but I suppose that's not saying a lot, one more complaint, why can't whoever is announcing the subs name the feckin players, Down's last sub "no 23 is replacing no 5" we can see that but who is no 23, agh I give up!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 31, 2018, 08:40:17 PM
In fairness the announcer probably hasn't a notion who the sub is.at this rate with all the dropouts the panel could be made up of a bunch of randomers. most likely from East Down.
There's a better team of players has walked from that panel this last 2 years than what's currently there.
There should be a coup this winter similar to what there was in Antrim a year or so ago. It's time to hit the reset button from top to bottom.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 31, 2018, 08:44:00 PM
Yea, Targetman is right about the PA telling us that 23 has replaced 5. No shit Sherlock as the saying goes. And there would be no point looking to the programme for guidance as it was completely wrong and referred to the teams who were picked for the postponed game on 18th March. Accepting that the cost was reduced to a pound, one might have thought that an insert with today's teams would have been an obvious thing to do. But then if you're not going to release the team in advance you might as well be consistent and not tell the programme people or the PA Announcer either.
Those wee men in the white van are going to be lonely next year as Carlow, Longford and Louth won't set the pulses racing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 31, 2018, 09:06:34 PM
Brick it would be hard to do a coup when everyone on the board are singing off the same hyme sheet if you know what I mean?County chairman is in the job for the 5 years as far as I'm aware?
Things need to change and quick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 31, 2018, 09:19:19 PM
Who was no 23?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on March 31, 2018, 09:30:11 PM
Quote from: Targetman on March 31, 2018, 09:19:19 PM
Who was no 23?
One of them Randomers from East Down no doubt!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 31, 2018, 09:34:39 PM
By feck I'll get to the bottom of this before I get Monday's Irish News!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 31, 2018, 09:54:39 PM

Quote from: Targetman on March 31, 2018, 09:19:19 PM
Who was no 23?

Ruairi Wells.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 31, 2018, 10:26:26 PM
700 official attendance today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 31, 2018, 10:33:23 PM
The late subs today may have been Wells and McGrady but the fact that the PA announcer had no clue who they were summed up the  afternoon. It was apparently not possible to name a team in advance against opposition which was going through the motions, for the second match in a row Turley, who gives 100 pc every time, was left on the field for the entire 70 minutes when he was plainly exhausted going into the final quarter, and our main free taker had his duties transferred to a colleague who kept missing. It is hardly a surprise that we will be in D3 next season, and, barring a radical overhaul, we could be there for a while.

Harrison in goals, like Reid last week, mixed fine kick outs with some random efforts and missed his punch for their goal. We improved defensively on the Meath game, which would not have been difficult,  with McKibbin possibly in line for a championship start.  Mooney as usual hit brilliant points between careless moments and could be better deployed in our problem sector at midfield.

Maginn and McKernan were excellent in the half forward line but Millar struggled. O'Hare is a confidence forward who plainly lacks confidence at the moment while Dornan had a brilliant first quarter before vanishing.

It is not a happy picture but Jerome Johnston was at least in the stand and may be on the pitch in the USC in what looks like an increasingly dodgy engagement against Antrim. While there is little point in discussing our set up for 2019, a full quarter of a century since our last Ulster title,  it will hopefully bear no resemblance to this year's model.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 31, 2018, 10:33:29 PM
It wasn't Ruairi Wells, I seen him play last week, I've got a lead possibly Mc Grady (Downpatrick)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on March 31, 2018, 11:07:17 PM
Despite relegation to Division 3, it has to be said that Sean og is doing a magnificent job and I really hope that he is returned for another term when his current term is up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2018, 08:20:29 AM
Ambrose I don't know if you are taking the piss or not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on April 01, 2018, 02:55:33 PM
CPN beat The Bridge by a point this morning. Bridge kicked a lot of wides. Annett from Bridge sent off mid way 2nd half. Any other club games yesterday or today ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 01, 2018, 03:52:39 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on April 01, 2018, 02:55:33 PM
CPN beat The Bridge by a point this morning. Bridge kicked a lot of wides. Annett from Bridge sent off mid way 2nd half. Any other club games yesterday or today ?
longstone beat ballymartin by a point, 4-8 to 2-13 in a mourne derby last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on April 01, 2018, 06:27:19 PM
After watching Dublin v Galway, we are in a dire situation. We are miles away from the top tier. Consider that no one could say we will 100% beat Antrim and the reality of where we are at is depressing. In actual fact a quick exit from the championship would do us all a favour. It would certainly mean A time for change. The whole set up needs renewed. Time for new leadership to come in. The current old guard have done tried and failed. Time to stop passing the baton around the same room, we need forward thinking young blood with a drive and vision that will inspire sponsors, clubs and importantly players to give to the Down cause.
Current Team now mirrors the standing of our County Board, no leadership, no direction and huge indifference to glaring problems. All hidden behind the same old bullshit "Down Way.
It's time to build a new approach, New board, new management and a new team, (some of current are well able to play but can't or won't under the current set up).
I'm sure all those involved are Down men who want the best for Down but ultimately in needing a fresh and innovative approach we need to start again and for the current board it means stepping aside. But it also means clubs must bring forward the best individuals not just reward someone because they have been on the committee for 10 years or more. Bring them forward because they're the best at Management, finance, PR, IT, whatever they specialise in.
Run it like a business, with a proper plan and accountability. Maybe then we can use the # Down Rising
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 01, 2018, 06:39:06 PM
This is the same stuff we heard last year after the defeats to Fermanagh and Clare, and in 2016 after losing every game we played from January to June. Nothing will change, bar possibly the management team (God knows who will replace them). Antrim will fancy their chances in the Championship and I wouldn't put money on us getting out of Division 3 next year either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 01, 2018, 07:03:22 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on April 01, 2018, 02:55:33 PM
CPN beat The Bridge by a point this morning. Bridge kicked a lot of wides. Annett from Bridge sent off mid way 2nd half. Any other club games yesterday or today ?

A lot of errors but that's what you get in early matches. Game should have been over at half time if the Bridge had their shooting boots. CPN/Point took over when they had an extra man. Two teams that should be in the mix come August time. Ross is very accurate and Keith Quinn stood out.
Harps should beat us well giving we have loads away at a stag.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 02, 2018, 12:59:56 PM
I'd say a lot of Pitches will be under pressure for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 02, 2018, 08:47:01 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on April 02, 2018, 12:59:56 PM
I'd say a lot of Pitches will be under pressure for tomorrow.
be surprised if they all go ahead. Any off already.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 03, 2018, 11:56:33 AM
Rostrevor v clonduff off tonight. Unplayable pitches in rostrevor and hilltown.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on April 03, 2018, 12:01:35 PM
Glenn v Tullylish is off as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on April 03, 2018, 12:18:09 PM
Loughinisland v Darragh Cross off tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 03, 2018, 01:02:30 PM
Dundrum vs Ardglass off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 03, 2018, 02:11:00 PM
Looks like Saul v Drumaness only Div 3 game left standing. Bredagh v Carryduff still on as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 03, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Ballyholland and Burren off too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 03, 2018, 03:13:51 PM
Bredagh v Carryduff off now as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on April 03, 2018, 03:48:14 PM
It's going to be a busy 10 days!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on April 03, 2018, 09:02:12 PM
Kingdom best saval 11-8. Think saval were 6-0 up at one stage. Good hard physical game. Conditions didn't make referees job easy. Few things stood out.

-Havern unmarkable first 20mins, then stopped kicking the ball into him.
-Hughes very lucky not to get straight red. Openly punched colgan twice I think. Wisely was taken off.
-Younger colgan had a stormer in midfield. Swatted saval lads away all night.
-Was /is madine supposed to be our saving grace???
-kingdom 13 rightly sent off for strike right in front of referee.. And lastly, is there a louder /yappier manager than Sean Ward??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 03, 2018, 09:27:43 PM
Has Darren O'Hagan left the down panel? I see Benny Coulter quoted on hoganstand about Darren O'Hagan being missing, or did I pick it up wrong?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 03, 2018, 11:31:14 PM
He went off injured against Meath, and was not involved for the Tipperary game a week later, but hopefully will be fine for the championship.  His brother Barry should be approached about a return to the panel, as should Gerard McGovern and Joe Murphy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 04, 2018, 05:56:22 AM
I remember him going off against Meath alright. Thanks Mr.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 05, 2018, 05:33:30 PM
Are pitches playable again ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 05, 2018, 08:02:48 PM
More rain forecast for tomorrow so I'm sure there'll be some games in doubt, this weather really is shite!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 06, 2018, 08:42:59 AM
Pissed down all night and still doing so now.. Looks like there be a few cancellations tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 06, 2018, 12:11:25 PM
Darragh Cross v Glenn is off...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 06, 2018, 12:27:48 PM
Clonduff v mayobridge is off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on April 06, 2018, 01:46:46 PM
Fixture schedule under pressure already and not much scope for refixing the matches

Is April now a complete shutdown for all county team activities?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on April 06, 2018, 01:54:07 PM
I don't think so gaaman. I think the county team are still training when possible but the players are available to their clubs for all games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 06, 2018, 06:20:25 PM
Burren game on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 09, 2018, 08:49:57 PM
Well downjim how'd he behave tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 09, 2018, 08:58:56 PM
Quote from: Targetman on April 09, 2018, 08:49:57 PM
Well downjim how'd he behave tonight?

No need to get worked up during a training session.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 09, 2018, 09:19:06 PM
Ok, another game cancelled
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 09, 2018, 09:26:28 PM
Glenn beat tullylish by a point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 09, 2018, 09:46:05 PM
Clonduff beat rostrevor 2-12 to 0-10. Kilcoo beat downpatrick 7-15 to 1-10.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on April 10, 2018, 02:19:32 PM
Bredagh beat Carryduff by 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on April 10, 2018, 09:33:53 PM
Having watched Rostrevor play their first two games they look like they will struggle to be competitive this year. Kane Mooney Fegan Connolly and Parr look to be the only out field players they have up to division standard at the moment. Perhaps they'll improve the more games they play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 15, 2018, 11:36:58 PM
Heard reports that Kilcoo are flying?? Any other early league reports
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 16, 2018, 02:31:05 AM
Quote from: downjim on April 15, 2018, 11:36:58 PM
Heard reports that Kilcoo are flying?? Any other early league reports
After their defeat to Saval?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 16, 2018, 08:23:38 AM
Kilcoo made 8 changes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 16, 2018, 12:59:20 PM
Quote from: downjim on April 16, 2018, 08:23:38 AM
Kilcoo made 8 changes
They still lost....

Anyway, Glenn have won 3 from 3, solid without being spectacular. Grinded out a tough win v Tullylish, despite playing about 40mins with 14men, comfortable against Carryduff and improved against Annaclone. Tougher tests ahead though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 17, 2018, 09:20:58 PM
Castlewellan 1-8 Rostrevor 3-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 17, 2018, 09:36:52 PM
Bad start for the Town but they must have a Bobby Dazzell cup final to look forward to
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 17, 2018, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 17, 2018, 09:20:58 PM
Castlewellan 1-8 Rostrevor 3-11
big win for the reds. Seen them against clonduff and thought they were very poor but since that they've now won 2 in a row both away from home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 17, 2018, 11:30:36 PM
Having reached page 1960 on this thread, surely some good news about one of our county teams is going to emerge. There are suggestions that the u20s are shaping up reasonably well, although our underage record has not exactly been sparkling in recent years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 18, 2018, 08:49:22 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 17, 2018, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 17, 2018, 09:20:58 PM
Castlewellan 1-8 Rostrevor 3-11
big win for the reds. Seen them against clonduff and thought they were very poor but since that they've now won 2 in a row both away from home.

Home win v An Riocht. Away v Castlewellan.

Kilcoo on Friday.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on April 18, 2018, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 18, 2018, 08:49:22 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 17, 2018, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 17, 2018, 09:20:58 PM
Castlewellan 1-8 Rostrevor 3-11
big win for the reds. Seen them against clonduff and thought they were very poor but since that they've now won 2 in a row both away from home.

Home win v An Riocht. Away v Castlewellan.

Kilcoo on Friday.  ;D

Will the Super Reds clip the wings of Magpies ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on April 18, 2018, 02:30:25 PM
Quote from: elk on April 10, 2018, 09:33:53 PM
Having watched Rostrevor play their first two games they look like they will struggle to be competitive this year. Kane Mooney Fegan Connolly and Parr look to be the only out field players they have up to division standard at the moment. Perhaps they'll improve the more games they play.
Looks like they are improving!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 18, 2018, 03:53:55 PM
Any idea of when Championship draw is made?  Usually around end of April its made isnt it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 19, 2018, 02:24:24 PM
I'm not anti-development squads by any means.

They clearly serve a purpose in helping players from less-enumerated clubs and non-footballing schools to learn, meet and aspire, by playing amongst the brightest talents from bigger clubs and schools.

But I'm really struggling with the concept that 53 x 13 year-olds are needed for u14 county training on Saturdays, just as the club season is ramping into gear. Dragging players an hour from home to be part of a glorified sportsday isn't going to help anyone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 21, 2018, 10:03:08 AM
Some start from Clonduff, what's happening at Castlewellan??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 23, 2018, 01:43:49 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2018, 02:24:24 PM
I'm not anti-development squads by any means.

They clearly serve a purpose in helping players from less-enumerated clubs and non-footballing schools to learn, meet and aspire, by playing amongst the brightest talents from bigger clubs and schools.

But I'm really struggling with the concept that 53 x 13 year-olds are needed for u14 county training on Saturdays, just as the club season is ramping into gear. Dragging players an hour from home to be part of a glorified sportsday isn't going to help anyone.

Fair point Wobbler but then if you select just 25 lads everyone involved gets slapped with accusations of favoritism and nepotism. Also the big East Down/South Down argument rears its head again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 23, 2018, 02:12:20 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on April 23, 2018, 01:43:49 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2018, 02:24:24 PM
I'm not anti-development squads by any means.

They clearly serve a purpose in helping players from less-enumerated clubs and non-footballing schools to learn, meet and aspire, by playing amongst the brightest talents from bigger clubs and schools.

But I'm really struggling with the concept that 53 x 13 year-olds are needed for u14 county training on Saturdays, just as the club season is ramping into gear. Dragging players an hour from home to be part of a glorified sportsday isn't going to help anyone.

Fair point Wobbler but then if you select just 25 lads everyone involved gets slapped with accusations of favoritism and nepotism. Also the big East Down/South Down argument rears its head again

Unless there has been a once-every-hundred-years biological blip, there simply cannot be 53 lads at that age with the natural athleticism needed to be a county player. I'd be surprised if there's even 23.

Personally I just don't see how it benefits either the weaker or stronger players to be involved in such a large group. It cannot be much different to playing under-14 club games, where the stronger players have to pair up against each other and cancel each other out, otherwise they just run amok.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 23, 2018, 02:46:14 PM
These coaches should be sent out to develop coaches in other clubs to improve club coaching especially in the weaker clubs. There are too much emphasis on dev squads and improved coaching is needed in a good few schools.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 23, 2018, 04:01:50 PM
Quote from: downjim on April 23, 2018, 02:46:14 PM
These coaches should be sent out to develop coaches in other clubs to improve club coaching especially in the weaker clubs. There are too much emphasis on dev squads and improved coaching is needed in a good few schools.

That depends on whether the coaches looking after the "ETS" squads are any better than they're getting at home!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on April 24, 2018, 10:52:09 AM
Quote from: downjim on April 17, 2018, 09:36:52 PM
Bad start for the Town but they must have a Bobby Dazzell cup final to look forward to

no they don't have that either
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on April 24, 2018, 01:58:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2018, 02:24:24 PM
I'm not anti-development squads by any means.

They clearly serve a purpose in helping players from less-enumerated clubs and non-footballing schools to learn, meet and aspire, by playing amongst the brightest talents from bigger clubs and schools.

But I'm really struggling with the concept that 53 x 13 year-olds are needed for u14 county training on Saturdays, just as the club season is ramping into gear. Dragging players an hour from home to be part of a glorified sportsday isn't going to help anyone.

of those 53 players selected you will find 40/45 make the sessions every given time with hols injuries or something or other coming up. also players will invariably decide its not for them and leave so its a working size which will trim part by choice and then by time 2019 comes round you will invite new lads to trials and if they are stronger than some of the U14 panel the squad will be trimmed again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on April 24, 2018, 10:19:57 PM
After round 5 in the minor league, any team impressing? Or is it too early?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 25, 2018, 03:57:53 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on April 24, 2018, 01:58:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2018, 02:24:24 PM
I'm not anti-development squads by any means.

They clearly serve a purpose in helping players from less-enumerated clubs and non-footballing schools to learn, meet and aspire, by playing amongst the brightest talents from bigger clubs and schools.

But I'm really struggling with the concept that 53 x 13 year-olds are needed for u14 county training on Saturdays, just as the club season is ramping into gear. Dragging players an hour from home to be part of a glorified sportsday isn't going to help anyone.

of those 53 players selected you will find 40/45 make the sessions every given time with hols injuries or something or other coming up. also players will invariably decide its not for them and leave so its a working size which will trim part by choice and then by time 2019 comes round you will invite new lads to trials and if they are stronger than some of the U14 panel the squad will be trimmed again

I get what you're saying, but it still doesn't answer:

- why anyone needs 40/45 players at a training session, and what can possibly be learned from having so many players around?

- what benefit there is for anyone when the 1st and 2nd best talents in the county match up against the 52nd and 53rd?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 26, 2018, 10:32:13 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 25, 2018, 03:57:53 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on April 24, 2018, 01:58:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2018, 02:24:24 PM
I'm not anti-development squads by any means.

They clearly serve a purpose in helping players from less-enumerated clubs and non-footballing schools to learn, meet and aspire, by playing amongst the brightest talents from bigger clubs and schools.

But I'm really struggling with the concept that 53 x 13 year-olds are needed for u14 county training on Saturdays, just as the club season is ramping into gear. Dragging players an hour from home to be part of a glorified sportsday isn't going to help anyone.

of those 53 players selected you will find 40/45 make the sessions every given time with hols injuries or something or other coming up. also players will invariably decide its not for them and leave so its a working size which will trim part by choice and then by time 2019 comes round you will invite new lads to trials and if they are stronger than some of the U14 panel the squad will be trimmed again

I get what you're saying, but it still doesn't answer:

- why anyone needs 40/45 players at a training session, and what can possibly be learned from having so many players around?

- what benefit there is for anyone when the 1st and 2nd best talents in the county match up against the 52nd and 53rd?

Depending on the attitude of the 52nd/53rd it could push them on? Training and playing with better players will in turn make them better which IF they continue to play Gaelic to senior level will improve Club football in Down so in turn maybe helping County team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on April 27, 2018, 04:45:51 PM
Have to say I agree with wobbler on this for a few reasons, The development squad system is massively flawed,

These are suppossed to be development squads , the key word being develop. The main way to develop an underage player is with a ball in my opinion , i'm not sure how much actual ball time players would get in a session containing 45 lads. Small sided games with half that amount at training would be a much better idea , if that means splitting the session so be it .

Secondly its mainly the same players trotted off each year, yes some may be supremly talented in their club but others are sent year after year by the same manager who has had the same team in the club for x number of years. That happens in most clubs .

A much better system would be to coach the club coaches more . Put the time wasted on development squads into sending the  "elite" coaches who are obviously heading up these squads around the clubs week after week and improve club coaching so that every player is getting the benefit of that level of training.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on April 28, 2018, 10:13:16 AM
Great game in Kilcoo last night between our county's two top clubs. There is not much between the two at the end of the season.
I heard their was trouble in the Bridge last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on April 28, 2018, 03:23:16 PM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on April 24, 2018, 10:19:57 PM
After round 5 in the minor league, any team impressing? Or is it too early?

Ballyholland and Burren the two strongest with Kilcoo also in the mix

But with players starred and exam period approaching the league will throw up some unpredictable results

the championship is wide open
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Feckmylife on April 28, 2018, 04:26:48 PM
Quote from: downjim on April 28, 2018, 10:13:16 AM
Great game in Kilcoo last night between our county's two top clubs. There is not much between the two at the end of the season.
I heard their was trouble in the Bridge last night?
Are Burren in our county's top two??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on April 28, 2018, 09:10:51 PM
Quote from: downjim on April 28, 2018, 10:13:16 AM
Great game in Kilcoo last night between our county's two top clubs. There is not much between the two at the end of the season.
I heard their was trouble in the Bridge last night?

Top 2 lol , that's clutching . Second place is just another name for the first loser
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 28, 2018, 09:28:37 PM
Down u17's beat Armagh 0-11 to 0-8 aet in Newry this evening, while its always good to beat Armagh this was not great viewing, Down never scored in the second half of normal time which sort of sums up the poor standard on offer, mistakes galore by both teams kept it close, best player on the field for me was Down's full back (Lorcan Toal,Carryduff)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 29, 2018, 07:50:05 AM
Quote from: Targetman on April 28, 2018, 09:28:37 PM
Down u17's beat Armagh 0-11 to 0-8 aet in Newry this evening, while its always good to beat Armagh this was not great viewing, Down never scored in the second half of normal time which sort of sums up the poor standard on offer, mistakes galore by both teams kept it close, best player on the field for me was Down's full back (Lorcan Toal,Carryduff)
Never scored in 2nd half??? That's unbelievable. Were they ultra defensive or just poor. Armagh scored 4 goals in league against them. Anyone know 2ho they play next. Back door in the minor u17 now. But prob only in 1st round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 29, 2018, 10:03:51 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 29, 2018, 07:50:05 AM
Quote from: Targetman on April 28, 2018, 09:28:37 PM
Down u17's beat Armagh 0-11 to 0-8 aet in Newry this evening, while its always good to beat Armagh this was not great viewing, Down never scored in the second half of normal time which sort of sums up the poor standard on offer, mistakes galore by both teams kept it close, best player on the field for me was Down's full back (Lorcan Toal,Carryduff)
Never scored in 2nd half??? That's unbelievable. Were they ultra defensive or just poor. Armagh scored 4 goals in league against them. Anyone know 2ho they play next. Back door in the minor u17 now. But prob only in 1st round.

They play Tyrone next.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 29, 2018, 10:36:43 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 29, 2018, 07:50:05 AM
Quote from: Targetman on April 28, 2018, 09:28:37 PM
Down u17's beat Armagh 0-11 to 0-8 aet in Newry this evening, while its always good to beat Armagh this was not great viewing, Down never scored in the second half of normal time which sort of sums up the poor standard on offer, mistakes galore by both teams kept it close, best player on the field for me was Down's full back (Lorcan Toal,Carryduff)
Never scored in 2nd half??? That's unbelievable. Were they ultra defensive or just poor. Armagh scored 4 goals in league against them. Anyone know 2ho they play next. Back door in the minor u17 now. But prob only in 1st round.
Set up very defensively but some of the shooting was brutal, missed a couple of goals as well, a few shooting drills required rather than hand passing which seems to be all we see now!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 30, 2018, 08:11:04 PM
Development squads again.

The under-16 development squad is on duty every Saturday in August, and first two Saturdays in September.

But see, here's the thing. The club championships take place in August and September, I'm assuming on a round robin basis like last year.

Here's all the problems this causes:

- under 16 club teams can't train or play on Saturdays; too many key players away.
- if you've any semblance of player welfare in your system, under-16 clubs can't do too much on the Sunday either.
- county standard under-16s will be playing minor championship on Tuesday nights, so you'd like to think that they won't be trained hard Monday night either. No point in under 16 club training for championship football without their core players.
- obviously they can't train on wednesdays, as they've under 16 club championship on Thursday nights.
- which kind of rules out Friday night too.
- oh, we are back to Saturday.

——-

Then this knocks on. By September, weekday games need to throw in for 6.45. And it's all county championship too, which means an hour of driving for some matches.

The minor championship has the same quandary going on. They can't play Saturdays as the key under-16s are on county duty. So they get 6.45pm championship fixtures on Thursday nights. And more than a few minors are working on sites across the country.

You might squeeze a match in on a Sunday, but senior championship and hurling tend to get Sundays.

——

We want our clubs to develop players, but then we cut them off at the knees during club championship times.


——

I realise this is a regional competition and not only Down's doing. But still.


So many issues.

One simple solution.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 03, 2018, 01:02:10 PM
Did anyone see clownjim this morning?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 03, 2018, 11:29:32 PM
Watched Burren v cpn last night.Good entertaining game with some good football played and some promising young talent on show. Cpn showed a bit of backbone when Burren came back strongly at them in the second half. Only small gripe on the night was the ref let a couple of dangerous high tackles go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 03, 2018, 11:34:54 PM
Bad night at the office but looking forward to finishing the Bridge next week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 05, 2018, 06:07:51 AM
Where you building?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 09, 2018, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: supersub on May 05, 2018, 06:07:51 AM
Where you building?

He's building a bridge to try and to get over all those championship losses to Kilcoo over the past decade.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on May 09, 2018, 03:52:03 PM
Are the fixtures starred this Friday evening?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 09, 2018, 04:06:09 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on May 09, 2018, 03:52:03 PM
Are the fixtures starred this Friday evening?

I don't think they (officially) can be until the 16th?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 10, 2018, 07:28:31 AM
Seeing as Liverpool have made the Champions League final that evening, is the Ulster Council going to proceed with Down v Antrim at 7pm, or show a wee bit of sense and bring it forward an hour?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on May 10, 2018, 08:05:35 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 10, 2018, 07:28:31 AM
Seeing as Liverpool have made the Champions League final that evening, is the Ulster Council going to proceed with Down v Antrim at 7pm, or show a wee bit of sense and bring it forward an hour?

Similar situation arose in 2011, Down vs Armagh clashed with Man Utd in Champions League final and they wouldn't move the time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 10, 2018, 08:07:57 AM
From what I've been reading the Leinster council are going to bring the wexford hurling game forward (not sure who they are playing) and another game that evening. No word from Ulster council yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on May 10, 2018, 08:58:01 AM
Sense and GAA aren't two words that would appear in the same sentence too often
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 10, 2018, 09:11:50 AM
In 2011, down had been in an all Ireland final so the derby with Armagh was a big attraction. At present down need all the support they can get.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 10, 2018, 12:30:54 PM
Bringing the Down game forward to 6pm would be perfect for everyone but the dinosaurs won't move it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 10, 2018, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on May 10, 2018, 12:30:54 PM
Bringing the Down game forward to 6pm would be perfect for everyone but the dinosaurs won't move it

I'd casually estimate a 7pm throw-in would keep at least 1,000 people at home to watch the first half on iPlayer, before switching over.

I'd be genuinely shocked if the Ulster Council are prepared to lose out on a hefty 5-figure sum on the gate, for the sake of an hour
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 10, 2018, 01:42:16 PM
Travelling from east Down, it would probably need to be put back to 5pm. I'd guess more than 1000 would miss the game. What size of crowd are people expecting? I don't think it was ever going to sell out regardless.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 10, 2018, 03:04:08 PM
When's the Championship draws?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 10, 2018, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: ardtole on May 10, 2018, 01:42:16 PM
Travelling from east Down, it would probably need to be put back to 5pm. I'd guess more than 1000 would miss the game. What size of crowd are people expecting? I don't think it was ever going to sell out regardless.
Be lucky to get 10,000 there!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 11, 2018, 09:17:38 AM
I just hope Ulster GAA puts it back. I will be there regardless but I think it would look bad on us as a GAA county to have less than 10,000 at ahome championship match. Has the county board offered clubs a chance to take their underage teams FOC ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 11, 2018, 10:43:21 AM
Fcuk Liverpool.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 11, 2018, 12:11:21 PM
Stevie Gerrard Gerrard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 11, 2018, 02:47:59 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on May 11, 2018, 10:43:21 AM
Fcuk Liverpool.

Much as id love to agree with you, only a truly mad bastard would schedule anything in Ireland directly against them playing in a Champions League final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on May 11, 2018, 03:13:15 PM
Sean og is waiting on UEFA to announce that they will move the CL Final back to it's rightful spot on a Wednesday night.

I'll be in Kiev.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 11, 2018, 04:44:31 PM
In fairness it's Ulster GAA that sets the timing but the two county boards would have a big say. Liverpool have a massive following on this Island. It would be great to see common sense prevail as them players have sacrificed so much. Sean og give our Brian a wee call
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 11, 2018, 05:44:37 PM
Are there any new additions to the squad or are we going into the championship with the same bunch of players who got relegated?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 11, 2018, 09:04:50 PM
Quote from: downjim on May 03, 2018, 11:34:54 PM
Bad night at the office but looking forward to finishing the Bridge next week

Bridge won by 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on May 11, 2018, 10:06:40 PM
Quote from: ardtole on May 11, 2018, 09:04:50 PM
Quote from: downjim on May 03, 2018, 11:34:54 PM
Bad night at the office but looking forward to finishing the Bridge next week

Bridge won by 2

Bridge deserving winners...Burren very average outfit now but have been for some time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on May 11, 2018, 10:36:54 PM
Quote from: thebar on May 11, 2018, 10:06:40 PM
Quote from: ardtole on May 11, 2018, 09:04:50 PM
Quote from: downjim on May 03, 2018, 11:34:54 PM
Bad night at the office but looking forward to finishing the Bridge next week

Bridge won by 2

Bridge deserving winners...Burren very average outfit now but have been for some time.
CPN beat An Riocht by 20 points. Brendan mcveigh in goal and he did well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on May 11, 2018, 10:51:02 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on May 11, 2018, 10:36:54 PM
Quote from: thebar on May 11, 2018, 10:06:40 PM
Quote from: ardtole on May 11, 2018, 09:04:50 PM
Quote from: downjim on May 03, 2018, 11:34:54 PM
Bad night at the office but looking forward to finishing the Bridge next week

Bridge won by 2

Bridge deserving winners...Burren very average outfit now but have been for some time.
CPN beat An Riocht by 20 points. Brendan mcveigh in goal and he did well

:o which team was he in goal for??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 12, 2018, 01:13:41 PM
The Bridge looked hungrier last night and that's their first win over us in years. They really went for it and young Quinn is a great talent. Both teams were missing players so hard to gauge. We need a reaction quickly as getting beaten by both CPN/point/st Peters/insert new name here and them in a week is a bitter pill.

Harps fighting again Wobbler? Are you happy with the way your seniors behave? Is it good for the youth in the club to see fighting every week?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 12, 2018, 02:31:57 PM
Quote from: downjim on May 12, 2018, 01:13:41 PM
The Bridge looked hungrier last night and that's their first win over us in years. They really went for it and young Quinn is a great talent. Both teams were missing players so hard to gauge. We need a reaction quickly as getting beaten by both CPN/point/st Peters/insert new name here and them in a week is a bitter pill.

Harps fighting again Wobbler? Are you happy with the way your seniors behave? Is it good for the youth in the club to see fighting every week?

We are an aggressive team, no doubt. But what's that saying about when you get a reputation for something?

Two of our red cards last night were for returning fire. I've no great complaint there. Yet, strangely the referee contrived to ignore RGU's pre-emptive assaults on each occasion, both of which saw two of theirs lay into one of ours.

I'll put it like this. The match was being recorded by RGU, but I suspect that if it was requested by CCC, it might just have somehow gone missing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 12, 2018, 02:54:39 PM
But this siege mentality is crazy as no one cares about you TBH Poacher is creating a legacy that clubs will detest you for years. I wouldn't want my club to be going on like that and I'm sure underage parents can't be happy with it.

Boasting on social media about winning a game with 12 men, a good achievement for the players but getting 3 sent off in one game is embarrassing. And arguing in the crowd as well. Is their no codes of conduct in your club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 12, 2018, 03:09:51 PM
Quote from: downjim on May 12, 2018, 02:54:39 PM
But this siege mentality is crazy as no one cares about you TBH Poacher is creating a legacy that clubs will detest you for years. I wouldn't want my club to be going on like that and I'm sure underage parents can't be happy with it.

Boasting on social media about winning a game with 12 men, a good achievement for the players but getting 3 sent off in one game is embarrassing. And arguing in the crowd as well. Is their no codes of conduct in your club?

Roughly the same codes of conduct as your own club, and I'd be certain that if you could find a way to trawl CCC records for sendings off, melees and crowd incidents in the past 5 years, our club would be pretty much on a par with your club too.

But you just keep on fishing lad. You'll find what you're looking for with someone else.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 12, 2018, 08:26:07 PM
Down u17's well beat by Tyrone this evening 2-11 to 0-9, the scoreline says it all, Down had plenty of possession but no real cutting edge up front plus Tyrone had a greater physical presence that can be vital at this age group
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 12, 2018, 08:35:28 PM
Another poor performance
Armagh got hammered by Derry who we only beat after extra time. Going by that I hope we avails Derry next
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 12, 2018, 08:46:19 PM
The off the ball movement from u17s was poor, especially once past halfway. Ball carriers often ended up running into trouble as they had few outlets, and too many players wanted to take a safe pass behind, instead of coming off the shoulder.

That's said, the sending off was crucial. Down had little option but to push bodies forward, hence gaps in defence.

Tyrone are big and athletic but apart from 12 and 14, plus McGleenan's monster offspring, wouldn't appear to be "pure" footballers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 13, 2018, 09:01:28 AM
Wobbler between both sides the natural talent was very very limited don't you think?
Why do you think this is the case with so many young lads? Both teams were bursting out of the jerseys may I add. To much time spent in the gym do you think?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 14, 2018, 09:44:03 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 13, 2018, 09:01:28 AM
Wobbler between both sides the natural talent was very very limited don't you think?
Why do you think this is the case with so many young lads? Both teams were bursting out of the jerseys may I add. To much time spent in the gym do you think?

It's hard to know Smurfy.

In fairness Down wouldn't have been able to compete with that Tyrone side (which they did for 50+ minutes) unless they had a strong concentration on athleticism.

But as a unit they were severely lacking in terms of attacking interchanges, which frankly makes them very dull to watch. In these cases it usually comes across as poor decision making from ball carriers, but from where I was sitting, I rarely saw obvious options for offloading and swift interchanges.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 15, 2018, 08:20:17 PM
Why are their no games this weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 15, 2018, 10:07:48 PM
Quote from: downjim on May 15, 2018, 08:20:17 PM
Why are their no games this weekend
apparently they are now only allowed to star a certain amount of league fixtures a year, 3 I think?? So instead of using up one of the allowed starred rounds they instead had no fixtures for this week. Next weeks round of fixtures are starred games. Thats what I was told anyway  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on May 16, 2018, 12:22:16 AM
Quote from: downjim on May 15, 2018, 08:20:17 PM
Why are their no games this weekend

cos of the royal wedding innit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 18, 2018, 09:55:28 AM
O'Hanlon out for season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on May 18, 2018, 11:19:32 AM
Quote from: downjim on May 18, 2018, 09:55:28 AM
O'Hanlon out for season
Injury or travelling ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on May 18, 2018, 11:45:08 AM
Injury

http://gaeliclife.com/2018/05/ohanlon-ruled-out-for-down/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 19, 2018, 11:12:17 AM


Much as id love to agree with you, only a truly mad b**tard would schedule anything in Ireland directly against them playing in a Champions League final.
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I doubt it is going to be brought forward at this stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 20, 2018, 05:27:37 PM
Trying to purchase tickets for the game on saturday. Anyone know the name of the long terraced area opposite the seated stand? Is it the town terrace or south stand?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 20, 2018, 05:33:10 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 20, 2018, 05:27:37 PM
Trying to purchase tickets for the game on saturday. Anyone know the name of the long terraced area opposite the seated stand? Is it the town terrace or south stand?

South Stand would be the main stand. A terrace ticket will allow you to anywhere on the terraces anyway as they're not separated (a la Clones).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 20, 2018, 05:38:15 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on May 20, 2018, 05:33:10 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 20, 2018, 05:27:37 PM
Trying to purchase tickets for the game on saturday. Anyone know the name of the long terraced area opposite the seated stand? Is it the town terrace or south stand?

South Stand would be the main stand. A terrace ticket will allow you to anywhere on the terraces anyway as they're not separated (a la Clones).

Sweet thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on May 21, 2018, 04:20:14 PM
Ballyholland Harps GAC

Champions League Final 26 May

—-

The club will be showing the Champions League final on ALL screens on 26 May, including the build up.

We will have our usual special offers, including any 3 Coors, Corona, Heineken, Stella or Staropromen for £6, 2x VRB for £6, and a range of 500ml craft beers at £3.

—-

Unfortunately this means we will not be streaming the Down match which is running side-by-side. To avoid confusion and potential for disagreement , it won't be shown at all.

This is by order of the committee.

——

Oh and ¡Hala Madrid!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 21, 2018, 05:47:54 PM
Watch while a stream of other clubs now follow suit Ambrose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 21, 2018, 08:39:23 PM
Two miles down the road Down play in the USFC snd Ballyholland post that.  I thought it was a piss take but apparently not.
What a joke of a club, and Wobbler you can't defend this. Would it happen it Joe Murphy was still on panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 21, 2018, 08:59:30 PM
Quote from: downjim on May 21, 2018, 08:39:23 PM
Two miles down the road Down play in the USFC snd Ballyholland post that.  I thought it was a piss take but apparently not.
What a joke of a club, and Wobbler you can't defend this. Would it happen it Joe Murphy was still on panel

Keep on fishing. You will catch me eventually.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 21, 2018, 09:12:37 PM
have to agree with downjim on this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 21, 2018, 09:16:14 PM
Whilst I don't agree with a lot of what clownjim says on here and I think you are a top class poster wobbler I have to agree with him here. Also thought it was some kind of piss take. Suppose every club is entitled to post and watch what they want.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 21, 2018, 09:41:04 PM
I initially thought there would be approx 10k at the game on Saturday, I reckon 7k would be a more realistic attendance, I can't see too many frankies making the journey into the sticks!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 21, 2018, 09:57:35 PM
Perhaps you're right folks.

But bear this in mind. Our club bar will be open Saturday evening as it always is. We are in something of a broadband blackspot, and are genuinely unable to guarantee the smooth streaming of an iPlayer feed for 70 minutes.

Whereas we can guarantee RTE for the champions league final will work.

So tell me something. In this situation is is better that our members who really want to watch Down play but don't want to watch it at home, nor watch it in real life 1 mile away, are at least advised in advance that the club isn't really an option either? Or do we wait until the stream drops after 10 minutes to let them know?

Sometimes things aren't as simple as the click bait generation want to believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 21, 2018, 10:20:32 PM
or maybe its a case of we don't have anybody on the Down panel and we feel we should have, so feck them. we wont have anything to do with them, wont even watch it and maybe we wont be overly disappointed if they lose. all adds to the ballyholland siege mentality, us against the rest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 21, 2018, 10:20:44 PM
Sure could you not put it up on one screen?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 21, 2018, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on May 21, 2018, 10:20:44 PM
Sure could you not put it up on one screen?
Brandband problems. We get about 16 meg, which means it collapses when there's more than half a dozen people online.

Advertise as showing GAA we have to be able to deliver on it. We can't. So we might as well attract a few people in who made up their minds weeks ago that they weren't going to the marshes, but haven't yet decided where they're going.

It's actually a simple enough choice.

As mentioned a few posts ago. More clubs will follow with the same this week. As long as youve barmen not going to the Marshes, it's much more sensible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 21, 2018, 10:34:58 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 21, 2018, 10:20:32 PM
or maybe its a case of we don't have anybody on the Down panel and we feel we should have, so feck them. we wont have anything to do with them, wont even watch it and maybe we wont be overly disappointed if they lose. all adds to the ballyholland siege mentality, us against the rest.

No it doesn't. Wind your neck in.

I'm sorry to tell you friend, we've only got 400 odd members including juveniles, and there's going to be many, many, many more than 400 vacant places at Esler on Saturday evening. Barbecue weather could tip it under 5,000 people.

So stop bashing one club. It's childish.

——

The Ulster Council in their infinite wisdom have decided to put  a round 1 game between two  struggling counties in direct competition with the biggest sporting event in the world this weekend.

And then they want people to pay £30 for the privilege.

If anyone on this thread has a problem with how Gaelic Games are being promoted, start by knocking on that door.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 21, 2018, 10:38:42 PM
Well said wobbler. £24 into a first round game. Why wouldn't you go to the pub and watch it? That would get ya 12 bottles of coors in the Harps club. The pricing is far to much. 2 adults and 1 kid £55 before any food is bought
I'm estimating 7000
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 21, 2018, 10:49:37 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 21, 2018, 10:38:42 PM
Well said wobbler. £24 into a first round game. Why wouldn't you go to the pub and watch it? That would get ya 12 bottles of coors in the Harps club. The pricing is far to much. 2 adults and 1 kid £55 before any food is bought
I'm estimating 7000
there was 9000 in ballybofey and 8000 in enniskillen, i'd say crowd in newry won't be much above 5k.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 22, 2018, 01:17:22 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 21, 2018, 10:34:58 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 21, 2018, 10:20:32 PM
or maybe its a case of we don't have anybody on the Down panel and we feel we should have, so feck them. we wont have anything to do with them, wont even watch it and maybe we wont be overly disappointed if they lose. all adds to the ballyholland siege mentality, us against the rest.

No it doesn't. Wind your neck in.

I'm sorry to tell you friend, we've only got 400 odd members including juveniles, and there's going to be many, many, many more than 400 vacant places at Esler on Saturday evening. Barbecue weather could tip it under 5,000 people.

So stop bashing one club. It's childish.

——

The Ulster Council in their infinite wisdom have decided to put  a round 1 game between two  struggling counties in direct competition with the biggest sporting event in the world this weekend.

And then they want people to pay £30 for the privilege.

If anyone on this thread has a problem with how Gaelic Games are being promoted, start by knocking on that door.

Hang your f u c k ing head in shame man. Putting on that English tripe over your own county to make a few quid on the bar. Disgraceful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & FootballGood man Charlie well said
Post by: Johnny McCumiskey on May 22, 2018, 07:28:39 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 21, 2018, 10:49:37 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 21, 2018, 10:38:42 PM
Well said wobbler. £24 into a first round game. Why wouldn't you go to the pub and watch it? That would get ya 12 bottles of coors in the Harps club. The pricing is far to much. 2 adults and 1 kid £55 before any food is bought
I'm estimating 7000
there was 9000 in ballybofey and 8000 in enniskillen, i'd say crowd in newry won't be much above 5k.
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 21, 2018, 10:49:37 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 21, 2018, 10:38:42 PM
Well said wobbler. £24 into a first round game. Why wouldn't you go to the pub and watch it? That would get ya 12 bottles of coors in the Harps club. The pricing is far to much. 2 adults and 1 kid £55 before any food is bought
I'm estimating 7000
there was 9000 in ballybofey and 8000 in enniskillen, i'd say crowd in newry won't be much above 5k.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 22, 2018, 11:16:24 AM
Bad PR that went wrong.

I will be watching the champions league and I've no doubt it will be shown in our club after the match but I would cringe to think we would advertise that on social media.

Any team news for Saturday btw?? O'Hanlon definitely out??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 22, 2018, 11:31:25 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 21, 2018, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on May 21, 2018, 10:20:44 PM
Sure could you not put it up on one screen?
Brandband problems. We get about 16 meg, which means it collapses when there's more than half a dozen people online.

Advertise as showing GAA we have to be able to deliver on it. We can't. So we might as well attract a few people in who made up their minds weeks ago that they weren't going to the marshes, but haven't yet decided where they're going.

It's actually a simple enough choice.

As mentioned a few posts ago. More clubs will follow with the same this week. As long as youve barmen not going to the Marshes, it's much more sensible.

16MB/s is more than ample for streaming iplayer, I do it on just over 3MB/s.
Put a temporary password on the Wifi for the evening to secure it.


At the same time the Ulster Council really are pricing the families out of these games, £30 at the gate is crazy money for an adult.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on May 22, 2018, 11:43:03 AM
16meg broadband is not an internet blackspot. I can run iplayer on 2 meg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 22, 2018, 12:59:29 PM
Question;
ETS football squads. I see Down U15's are playing the Brian McLernon football tournament in Saval this Saturday against Donegal.

They've a panel of 40 plus youngsters, how do they ensure they all get relevant gametime?
What's the format?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 22, 2018, 01:19:25 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 22, 2018, 11:31:25 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 21, 2018, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on May 21, 2018, 10:20:44 PM
Sure could you not put it up on one screen?
Brandband problems. We get about 16 meg, which means it collapses when there's more than half a dozen people online.

Advertise as showing GAA we have to be able to deliver on it. We can't. So we might as well attract a few people in who made up their minds weeks ago that they weren't going to the marshes, but haven't yet decided where they're going.

It's actually a simple enough choice.

As mentioned a few posts ago. More clubs will follow with the same this week. As long as youve barmen not going to the Marshes, it's much more sensible.

16MB/s is more than ample for streaming iplayer, I do it on just over 3MB/s.
Put a temporary password on the Wifi for the evening to secure it.


At the same time the Ulster Council really are pricing the families out of these games, £30 at the gate is crazy money for an adult.


16MB does work sometimes.

But really honestly fella, I'm the one who has been called in on umpteen occasions the past year when our club's Smart TV isn't streaming. So with the greatest respect I'm a whole pile more qualified than you are to make a judgement call on whether this particular service is up to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 22, 2018, 03:29:17 PM
Would youse all for the love of jaysus leave the Ballyholland boys alone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 22, 2018, 07:10:47 PM
Any more word on the gigantic waste of time, energy and money the centre of excellence is shaping up to be?

Something more likely to get a player killed on the bad roads to/from Ballykinlar than improve the fortunes of Down football (and hurling/camogie, it'll do less than nothing for hurling/camogie).


The hard decision the county board is faced with is not to go ahead. Wait till a better site becomes available*. If that takes 20 years, it takes 20 years. Better that than throw good money away on a fools errand.

*IMO, if a single location is chosen, it has to lie along the main road from Aughlisnafin to Hilltown. Roughly the centre of county as far as the GAA goes and along a main road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on May 24, 2018, 04:15:03 PM
anyone know when the Down SFC/IFC/JFC championship draws are being made ?

asking for a friend :)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 24, 2018, 05:51:47 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on May 24, 2018, 04:15:03 PM
anyone know when the Down SFC/IFC/JFC championship draws are being made ?

asking for a friend :)
tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on May 24, 2018, 10:08:02 PM
All this talk about Ballyholland showing the Liverpool game and how they should show Down is a load of bollocks.
They are well entitled to show whatever they want. The Down County Board and Ulster GAA had ample opportunity to change the game and maximise the gate but as usual they know better, same crowd who advocated building in BallyKinlar and obviously expecting families to fork out upwards on £70 quid to get into Down game to pay for it.
They don't have any regard for the ordinary 5/8 so why would anyone worry about whether a soccer or gaelic game is on the TV.
Simple if you are that worried about Down take a seat in the stand, if not take a seat in your local club. They'll all have the BIG game on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 24, 2018, 10:37:59 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on May 24, 2018, 10:08:02 PM
All this talk about Ballyholland showing the Liverpool game and how they should show Down is a load of bollocks.
They are well entitled to show whatever they want. The Down County Board and Ulster GAA had ample opportunity to change the game and maximise the gate but as usual they know better, same crowd who advocated building in BallyKinlar and obviously expecting families to fork out upwards on £70 quid to get into Down game to pay for it.
They don't have any regard for the ordinary 5/8 so why would anyone worry about whether a soccer or gaelic game is on the TV.
Simple if you are that worried about Down take a seat in the stand, if not take a seat in your local club. They'll all have the BIG game on.

Shit stirrer. Bringing it all up again. You are one devious cnut.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on May 24, 2018, 10:42:33 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on May 24, 2018, 10:08:02 PM
All this talk about Ballyholland showing the Liverpool game and how they should show Down is a load of bollocks.
They are well entitled to show whatever they want. The Down County Board and Ulster GAA had ample opportunity to change the game and maximise the gate but as usual they know better, same crowd who advocated building in BallyKinlar and obviously expecting families to fork out upwards on £70 quid to get into Down game to pay for it.
They don't have any regard for the ordinary 5/8 so why would anyone worry about whether a soccer or gaelic game is on the TV.
Simple if you are that worried about Down take a seat in the stand, if not take a seat in your local club. They'll all have the BIG game on.

The Club is the basic unit of the Association and the primary structure through which the GAA undertakes its mission, which states 'The GAA is a community based volunteer organisation promoting Gaelic games, culture and lifelong participation.'

The objective of the Club is the promotion at local level of the Association's aims, as outlined in the Official Guide – Chapter 1: Aims and Ethos.

The Association's basic aim is to "strengthen the National Identity" through its primary purpose to promote and control the National games of Hurling, Gaelic Football, Handball and Rounders. Its additional aims are to:

• Actively support the Irish language and Irish culture

• Promote the aims of the GAA abroad through the oversees units - see our World GAA portal

• Support the promotion of Camogie and Ladies Gaelic Football

• Support Irish industry

The GAA Club is the bedrock of every Irish community and provides an organised structure from which great community spirit is generated. Today, almost every town and village in the country has its own GAA headquarters, centered on the playing of our exciting games and building on 125 years of great history and success. Our games are also spreading to communities abroad and there are now over 300 clubs affiliated to the GAA in Europe, the USA, Canada, Asia, Australia, New Zeland and Britain.

These clubs are a tremendous influence in their local communities. The GAA is a strong and vibrant Association thanks to the army of dedicated volunteers at Club level committed to the promotion and development of our clubs and our games.

It's vital our clubs continue to grow and reinvent themselves to ensure that this structure is reinforced. Through planning ahead for the future, the GAA will help ensure that clubs remain strong and that dedicated voluntary officials at Club level continue to commit to the promotion and development of our games and our Association.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 24, 2018, 10:59:54 PM
But if a few quid can be made selling pints and watching the pool who gives a feck eh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on May 24, 2018, 11:06:57 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on May 24, 2018, 10:59:54 PM
But if a few quid can be made selling pints and watching the pool who gives a feck eh?

It's supporting Irish industry.

Maybe some of the Ballyholland lads could keep this thread updated on Saturday evening, if their bandwidth allows, for those of us following the Down game from Kiev.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 24, 2018, 11:40:26 PM
As mentioned a couple of times on this thread....

Promotion of Gaelic Games.

We've a provincial council charging £30 (which is £80 for a family of 4) in to watch a match between a D3 side that's never been at a lower ebb, and a D4 side that outwardly would appear to have given up on moving up the ranks.

That pricing structure, whether they mean to or not, sends a clear message that you need both a hefty interest in Gaelic Games, and a fair enough disposable income, to consider going along.

To compound this matter they've faced it off in direct competition with the biggest televised sporting event in europe, featuring a club side who (for reasons I cannot really explain, this "us" soccer culture) capture the hearts and minds of tens of thousands of Antrim and Down GAA followers, playing in their biggest match in 13 years.

So our provincial council, as well as pricing the game out of reach for half-interested or currently disenchanted supporters, and for lower income families, have elected to push thousands upon thostands of potential attendees away.

The Ulster Council are NOT promoting our games. In a race to make money to cover costs they've largely invented for themselves, they have forgotten that this is not the GAA ethos.


And it's an epidemic across leadership in our association. Between league fees, county board levees like the Down draw, insurance and rates, our clubs all start the year £20k in the red. That's before a ball is kicked, a meeting is held, a light is turned on. For most clubs, that equates to £100 a family. Before a ball is kicked, meeting is held, a light turned on.

It's a scandal the way the GAA is going.

So before you start shitting your mouths on a club like Ballyholland, which has grown in every aspect - facilities, structures, success - from an intermediate club to a senior club in the past 10 years, mostly by increasing our membership base,  just have a good think about where money comes from, why we need so much of it, where it all goes, and where the real problems lie.


Promotion of games my f**king arse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on May 25, 2018, 12:55:12 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 24, 2018, 11:40:26 PM
Promotion of games my f**king arse.

The only promotion you've had in Ballyholland lately is in the Carnbane league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 25, 2018, 06:02:20 AM
Quote from: Ambrose on May 25, 2018, 12:55:12 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 24, 2018, 11:40:26 PM
Promotion of games my f**king arse.

The only promotion you've had in Ballyholland lately is in the Carnbane league.

It's kind of difficult to get promoted from D1 you clampitt
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 25, 2018, 08:03:04 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 25, 2018, 06:02:20 AM
Quote from: Ambrose on May 25, 2018, 12:55:12 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 24, 2018, 11:40:26 PM
Promotion of games my f**king arse.

The only promotion you've had in Ballyholland lately is in the Carnbane league.

It's kind of difficult to get promoted from D1 you clampitt

😂 can't argue with that!
As usual many fair points wobbler, and I share your genuine fears around the path the GAA seems to be taking. Conservative and slow to change in some ways, yet making many decisions which hammer the most important aspect of the association-our grassroots members.
But just to give another perspective:
It's not easy to change fixture start times at short notice for several reasons including staffing , and you always need to be careful in establishing precedent, as it could create chaos re fixture change in the future. I note there are also rugby timing clashes. Where does it stop? Should we have changed the times of last week's Ulster minor games because the Scottish cup final was on,  and there's loads of Celtic fans? Personally I'm not an avid soccer fan, but I could see the logic in changing given the many Liverpool supporters who are GAA fans. However USFC games are major events, and there is hefty red tape implications of late fixture changes, often related to amateur volunteer staff in whom the GAA is totally dependent, and that's why late changes rarely  happen.
Unfortunately Inter-County games, unlike other sports don't occur weekly and therefore the cost into championship games probably partly reflect that, but the GAA works harder than other organisations in trying to make things affordable eg group passes, discounts, and early bird/season tickets etc . Compared to soccer supporters, for example,  who are happy to travel to Liverpool , Glasgow and Manchester at will, are charged exorbitant prices and it's not a problem. Ironically many of these sports tourists are the ones who gurn most about paying into Páirc Esler😂.
I also can't understand why DownGAA are getting it in the neck from many re this fixture clash, when it's the Ulster Council that arrange fixtures, and can't be dictated to by individual counties.
The Down county board work hard at providing a brilliant venue on the doorstep of many clubs ( albeit at one end of the county) and then in the rare event of actually getting a home game, everybody's on their back. I'm no apologist for the county board but I'm sure they feel at times they can't win!
Ballyholland have made brilliant strides in recent years, and I'm delighted for the many great clubmen such as yourself who have helped make that happen. However , I would also ask you to reflect, that there  is no doubt whatsoever that part of your success is on the back of the outstanding contribution of the likes of Shane Mulholland , the Murphys and Rony  Murtagh in "Red & Black" , and the promotional benefits county "glamour" brings to your club. I have no doubt that Rony's scoring exploits in 2010 , for example, contributed to your membership escalation in subsequent years , and your recent underage success . Those county men are great leaders and role models in your club , in their own right, but I'm sure you'll agree that their association with the county has done your club no harm. We can all complain about aspects of county administration demands but I would caution against "biting off the hands that feeds you" . There is absolutely no doubt that county success benefits all clubs, and in my opinion, we should do all we can to promote that, regardless of any understandable frustrations. An Dún Abú
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 25, 2018, 08:36:14 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 24, 2018, 11:40:26 PM
As mentioned a couple of times on this thread....

Promotion of Gaelic Games.

We've a provincial council charging £30 (which is £80 for a family of 4) in to watch a match between a D3 side that's never been at a lower ebb, and a D4 side that outwardly would appear to have given up on moving up the ranks.

That pricing structure, whether they mean to or not, sends a clear message that you need both a hefty interest in Gaelic Games, and a fair enough disposable income, to consider going along.

To compound this matter they've faced it off in direct competition with the biggest televised sporting event in europe, featuring a club side who (for reasons I cannot really explain, this "us" soccer culture) capture the hearts and minds of tens of thousands of Antrim and Down GAA followers, playing in their biggest match in 13 years.

So our provincial council, as well as pricing the game out of reach for half-interested or currently disenchanted supporters, and for lower income families, have elected to push thousands upon thostands of potential attendees away.

The Ulster Council are NOT promoting our games. In a race to make money to cover costs they've largely invented for themselves, they have forgotten that this is not the GAA ethos.


And it's an epidemic across leadership in our association. Between league fees, county board levees like the Down draw, insurance and rates, our clubs all start the year £20k in the red. That's before a ball is kicked, a meeting is held, a light is turned on. For most clubs, that equates to £100 a family. Before a ball is kicked, meeting is held, a light turned on.

It's a scandal the way the GAA is going.

So before you start shitting your mouths on a club like Ballyholland, which has grown in every aspect - facilities, structures, success - from an intermediate club to a senior club in the past 10 years, mostly by increasing our membership base,  just have a good think about where money comes from, why we need so much of it, where it all goes, and where the real problems lie.


Promotion of games my f**king arse.

Bang on the money Wobbler.

The Ulster Council now has a myriad of full time officials on the payroll and you'd have to question the effectiveness of them as I just don't see the improvements for all this going on.

We've had Ulster Council coaches down at our place and whilst nice enough lads most aren't as good as some of our own volunteers and its sporadiac with no concerted plan. I don't see how positive outcomes are achievable with this process.
We'd to send three of our members to Armagh in relation to a DEFRA grant we'd applied for. They were grilled for two hours on various aspects of our accounts by a panel of 8 or 9 people before they would approve our application. Guess how much the Ulster Council have offered us in grants relating to the same development, not one brass farthing.

Don't start me on the Down CB levies as they're killing us too before a hurl or ball is bought and we're trying to develop our facilities in the middle of all this.

We'll all do what we need to do to raise funds to keep going, Ballyholland are no different.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 25, 2018, 09:02:39 AM
6th Sam. Nobody is biting off the hand that feeds us.

Why are people determined to make this Ballyholland v Down. It is anything but. There will be no more or fewer Ballyholland folk in Esler on Saturday than there would be if we put a bolt on the club doors.

The club is being opened that evening for people who would prefer to watch a different event.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 25, 2018, 09:15:08 AM
Nice try Wobbler.
You know exactly what you are doing and its in keeping with the running theme this last 5 or 6 years with your club, key individuals and the relationship with the county board/administration in general. It doesnt seem to be abating either.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 25, 2018, 09:29:23 AM
The ulster council have made a huge mistake with the pricing of tickets and now are expecting a very poor crowd and they are starting to realise that. They have just announced they are giving 100 FREE tickets to secondary schools in Down and Antrim. Talking about backtracking
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 25, 2018, 09:30:16 AM
100 tickets per school
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 25, 2018, 09:43:53 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 25, 2018, 09:15:08 AM
Nice try Wobbler.
You know exactly what you are doing and its in keeping with the running theme this last 5 or 6 years with your club, key individuals and the relationship with the county board/administration in general. It doesnt seem to be abating either.

Interesting angle. From my perspective I watched in the past year is provide 5 members to the county minor panel, provide a club referee, heftily increase our Down Draw ticket sales, and just this month provided our facilities on 3 Saturdays out of 4 for development squad games.

So unless you're prepared to back up your slander of our club, I'd ask you to retract this nonsense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 25, 2018, 10:25:42 AM
No actually youre right.
I fully retract my statement.
Youse are all about the county and fully support the administration in all facets of their operations.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 25, 2018, 10:29:41 AM
Brick offering up your pitch for 3 Saturdays is great so I wouldn't try being sarcastic. Whilst I don't agree with Ballyholland publishing the Champions League final like they have done wobbler has a very starting point regarding the use of facilities.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 25, 2018, 10:50:49 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 25, 2018, 09:43:53 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 25, 2018, 09:15:08 AM
Nice try Wobbler.
You know exactly what you are doing and its in keeping with the running theme this last 5 or 6 years with your club, key individuals and the relationship with the county board/administration in general. It doesnt seem to be abating either.

Interesting angle. From my perspective I watched in the past year is provide 5 members to the county minor panel, provide a club referee, heftily increase our Down Draw ticket sales, and just this month provided our facilities on 3 Saturdays out of 4 for development squad games.

So unless you're prepared to back up your slander of our club, I'd ask you to retract this nonsense.
Agree totally, wobbler, Ballyholland have contributed more than most.
In my earlier response, I didn't intend to get into the Ballyholland bashing on this board which is ridiculous at times. However your official promotion (including drinks promotion, which is a wider argument) of a rival event to our county's first round usfc , has unfortunately put your club in the spotlight .
I am more interested in challenging fallacies around reasons for GAA fixture decisions( and you have always challenged these in the past tbf, wobbler)
Wobbler always debates with factual back up which is refreshing, but some here just blindly criticise the GAA , including the Ulster council , unfairly, contributing to a snowball effect of negativity which serves no-one well.

Johnnycool similarly is usually a factual contributor, but how can you criticise the GAa/ ulster council for excellent financial governance putting clubs and their amateur volunteers through rigorous financial questioning when they are applying for 6 figure loans. This is a pain in the neck but entirely justified for everyone's benefit. We've all had to go through it as clubs but it's entirely necessary.
If memory serves me right many contributors continue to give the county board  grief for Burrenbridge loan, yet we now criticise good financial governance?
It is also unfair to say the Ulster council give nothing, There is a lag time and a process but  ulster council do give financial assistance, but it obviously can't be excessive as there are ?3-400 clubs under their umbrella, unless you want them to bump up admission prices further!!!
Yes there are weaknesses in the GAA at all levels, and constructive criticism will help us grow, but don't expect unfair GAA bashing to go unchallenged.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 25, 2018, 11:44:51 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 25, 2018, 10:50:49 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 25, 2018, 09:43:53 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 25, 2018, 09:15:08 AM
Nice try Wobbler.
You know exactly what you are doing and its in keeping with the running theme this last 5 or 6 years with your club, key individuals and the relationship with the county board/administration in general. It doesnt seem to be abating either.

Interesting angle. From my perspective I watched in the past year is provide 5 members to the county minor panel, provide a club referee, heftily increase our Down Draw ticket sales, and just this month provided our facilities on 3 Saturdays out of 4 for development squad games.

So unless you're prepared to back up your slander of our club, I'd ask you to retract this nonsense.
Agree totally, wobbler, Ballyholland have contributed more than most.
In my earlier response, I didn't intend to get into the Ballyholland bashing on this board which is ridiculous at times. However your official promotion (including drinks promotion, which is a wider argument) of a rival event to our county's first round usfc , has unfortunately put your club in the spotlight .
I am more interested in challenging fallacies around reasons for GAA fixture decisions( and you have always challenged these in the past tbf, wobbler)
Wobbler always debates with factual back up which is refreshing, but some here just blindly criticise the GAA , including the Ulster council , unfairly, contributing to a snowball effect of negativity which serves no-one well.

Johnnycool similarly is usually a factual contributor, but how can you criticise the GAa/ ulster council for excellent financial governance putting clubs and their amateur volunteers through rigorous financial questioning when they are applying for 6 figure loans. This is a pain in the neck but entirely justified for everyone's benefit. We've all had to go through it as clubs but it's entirely necessary.
If memory serves me right many contributors continue to give the county board  grief for Burrenbridge loan, yet we now criticise good financial governance?
It is also unfair to say the Ulster council give nothing, There is a lag time and a process but  ulster council do give financial assistance, but it obviously can't be excessive as there are ?3-400 clubs under their umbrella, unless you want them to bump up admission prices further!!!
Yes there are weaknesses in the GAA at all levels, and constructive criticism will help us grow, but don't expect unfair GAA bashing to go unchallenged.

Factual in so far as there's no harm in due dilligence which trust me as a member of our clubs executive happened internally for many's a late night at the back end of last year, but don't think we didn't ask about grants as we did and got the usual "sorry, not yet, but we'll keep you informed". No emails received as yet.

I just think the Ulster Council has built itself into a little empire which seems to think that the ordinary punter paying in the gate is able and capable of absorbing their costs. They might get a rude awakening if they keep charging £30 entrance fee's

FWIW, the Munster hurling championship costs €25 on the day, €20 if you book in advance. Ulster Council is €8 dearer on advance bookings!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 25, 2018, 11:59:13 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 25, 2018, 11:44:51 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 25, 2018, 10:50:49 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 25, 2018, 09:43:53 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 25, 2018, 09:15:08 AM
Nice try Wobbler.
You know exactly what you are doing and its in keeping with the running theme this last 5 or 6 years with your club, key individuals and the relationship with the county board/administration in general. It doesnt seem to be abating either.

Interesting angle. From my perspective I watched in the past year is provide 5 members to the county minor panel, provide a club referee, heftily increase our Down Draw ticket sales, and just this month provided our facilities on 3 Saturdays out of 4 for development squad games.

So unless you're prepared to back up your slander of our club, I'd ask you to retract this nonsense.
Agree totally, wobbler, Ballyholland have contributed more than most.
In my earlier response, I didn't intend to get into the Ballyholland bashing on this board which is ridiculous at times. However your official promotion (including drinks promotion, which is a wider argument) of a rival event to our county's first round usfc , has unfortunately put your club in the spotlight .
I am more interested in challenging fallacies around reasons for GAA fixture decisions( and you have always challenged these in the past tbf, wobbler)
Wobbler always debates with factual back up which is refreshing, but some here just blindly criticise the GAA , including the Ulster council , unfairly, contributing to a snowball effect of negativity which serves no-one well.

Johnnycool similarly is usually a factual contributor, but how can you criticise the GAa/ ulster council for excellent financial governance putting clubs and their amateur volunteers through rigorous financial questioning when they are applying for 6 figure loans. This is a pain in the neck but entirely justified for everyone's benefit. We've all had to go through it as clubs but it's entirely necessary.
If memory serves me right many contributors continue to give the county board  grief for Burrenbridge loan, yet we now criticise good financial governance?
It is also unfair to say the Ulster council give nothing, There is a lag time and a process but  ulster council do give financial assistance, but it obviously can't be excessive as there are ?3-400 clubs under their umbrella, unless you want them to bump up admission prices further!!!
Yes there are weaknesses in the GAA at all levels, and constructive criticism will help us grow, but don't expect unfair GAA bashing to go unchallenged.

Factual in so far as there's no harm in due dilligence which trust me as a member of our clubs executive happened internally for many's a late night at the back end of last year, but don't think we didn't ask about grants as we did and got the usual "sorry, not yet, but we'll keep you informed". No emails received as yet.

I just think the Ulster Council has built itself into a little empire which seems to think that the ordinary punter paying in the gate is able and capable of absorbing their costs. They might get a rude awakening if they keep charging £30 entrance fee's

FWIW, the Munster hurling championship costs €25 on the day, €20 if you book in advance. Ulster Council is €8 dearer on advance bookings!

But the difference is that the Munster round robin means more matches therefore increased total attendances therefore they can afford to decrease ticket costs.
Ticket costs are higher than we all would like, and I think the gaa needs to look at providing more county games over a shorter period of time , allowing players back to clubs earlier but playing plenty of matches when with the county. This would no doubt maintain or improve ticket revenue but also allow reduced cost of match tickets, as per Munster hurling model
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 25, 2018, 06:25:48 PM
for anyone that's interested.... ;)

Down manager Eamonn Burns has handed a championship debut to Castlewellan's Colm Flanagan for Saturday's Ulster SFC game against Antrim in Newry.

Corner-back Flanagan made his entrance to intercounty football during the Dr McKenna Cup.

With injured Darragh O'Hanlon missing, Darren O'Hagan, Niall McParland and Caolan Mooney are in the half-backs.

An experienced attack includes Kevin McKernan, Conor Maginn, Donal O'Hare, Connaire Harrison and Ryan Johnston.

All Antrim's starting 15 have championship experience with Peter Healy and Ruairi McCann having made the debuts against Donegal last summer.

CJ McGourty is a notable absentee from the squad managed by his uncle Lenny Harbinson after he opted out following the Football League.

Right half-back Kevin O'Boyle captains the team with an experienced line-up also including Ricky Johnston, James Laverty, Niall McKeever, Mark Sweeney, Mark Fitzpatrick and the Murray brothers Conor and Ryan.

After staying in touch with Donegal in the first half of last year's Ulster SFC quarter-final, the Saffrons collapsed to a 3-19 to 1-9 defeat at Ballybofey before exiting at the first stage of the qualifiers against Sligo.

Down reached the Ulster final last year after surprising both Armagh and Monaghan but were heavily beaten by Tyrone in the provincial final.

The Mourne County then exited from the championship when Monaghan avenged their Ulster semi-final defeat by earning a 1-24 to 1-16 win in the last qualifying round.

Both Down and Antrim had uninspiring league campaigns in the Spring with Down relegated to Division Three after defeats by Cork, Clare, Cavan and Meath and the Saffrons failing to get out of Division Four.

Down: M Reid; C Flanagan, B McArdle, A Doherty; D O'Hagan, N McParland, C Mooney; P Turley, N Donnelly; K McKernan, C Maginn, S Millar; D O'Hare, C Harrison, R Johnston.

Antrim: C Kerr; P Healy, P Gallagher, N Delargy; K O'Boyle (capt), R Johnston, J Laverty; P McAleer, N McKeever; M Sweeney, C Murray, R McCann; R Murray, M Fitzpatrick, P McBride. Subs: A Hasson, S Beatty, P Branagan, C Burke, C Duffin, O Eastwood, K Healy, C Lemon, D Lynch, M McCarry, E Walsh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 26, 2018, 09:50:52 PM
Comfortable win tonight. strange match, lack of crowd and atmosphere led to it feeling more like a league game. Job done and plenty of players got game time, much tougher next time out though. Good win for u20s, some decent players on show.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 26, 2018, 10:16:44 PM
Good win for Down without really getting out of 3rd gear. Very impressed by the defence and shay millar up front. Donal was his lethal self as well. Him and Harrison had a field day 1 on 1 with there men. Was seriously impressed by the U20's. Some very well developed players in that team like Laverty, Guinness and McConvey. That keeper could also have a good future in nets for Down been a long time since I remember a left footed goalkeeper for Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 26, 2018, 10:29:25 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 26, 2018, 10:22:30 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 26, 2018, 10:16:44 PM
That keeper could also have a good future in nets for Down been a long time since I remember a left footed goalkeeper for Down
Haha! WTF?
The U20 keeper not Liverpools
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 26, 2018, 10:36:35 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 26, 2018, 10:32:55 PM
Still pretty random and irrelevant. I don't remember a wing half back with a shellfish allergy.
Jesus who pissed in your cornflakes. Its just a comment on how every keeper picked for Down over the last decade or so always seems to be right footed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 27, 2018, 01:41:16 PM
 Yesterday was a strange game played out in a low key atmosphere against modest opposition, but a win is a win and we have an Ulster semi to anticipate. Our management deserve credit for a disciplined and well organised display in which every man knew his role and stuck to it well. Reid's kick outs were outstanding, and our entire defence was solid throughout against an Antrim side which took a couple of decent long range points but never threatened closer in. Turley and Donnelly were put under no pressure in the middle but still did well, while our forwards did what was asked of them without overachieving

It must be a while since we have fielded a championship team with no Kilcoo player involved at any stage, but hopefully Jerome will be return to give us some options. With a couple of injuries among the fringe figures, bringing back Madine also made sense last night. We can watch today's match and what it throws up knowing that we are largely under the radar but still involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2018, 01:49:31 PM
Reid's kickouts were outstanding. He kicked every ball short to a Down man as Antrim did not contest one kickout
It was absolute dire stuff from Down
Antrim have cemented their  place as the worst team in ulster and possibly Ireland

Name me another team in Ireland as bad as Antrim?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 27, 2018, 02:23:53 PM
The optimism here reminds me of the reaction after the Louth match. Donegal will beat us handily enough and depending on the qualifier draw, we might get to Round 4 again, IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 27, 2018, 05:07:01 PM
Smurfy, try watching the game again online and you will see that the idea Reid kicked every ball short is nonsense. He had a few easy ones to his corner backs but he also regularly picked out teammates, particularly Shay Millar, on the half way line and out on the wings. I don't recall one which went astray in the entire match.  We will need to improve substantially if we are to have a long summer, but last night we did what we had to do and the standard of the opposition was not our concern. If you really think Down were `dire', name the players you believe put in poor displays.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 27, 2018, 06:25:22 PM
Any idea where the donegal game will be? Armagh would be the more logistical place but heard someone at the match last night say it may be in clones?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 27, 2018, 07:02:01 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 27, 2018, 06:25:22 PM
Any idea where the donegal game will be? Armagh would be the more logistical place but heard someone at the match last night say it may be in clones?
we played donegal in breffni not that long ago, so it could be there. hope not though as its not an easy place to get to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 27, 2018, 09:08:16 PM
Clones Sunday 10thJune @ 4pm, massive step up in quality of opposition, being realistic we are gonna be huge underdogs and hope we don't get a hiding!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 27, 2018, 09:38:06 PM
Quote from: Targetman on May 27, 2018, 09:08:16 PM
Clones Sunday 10thJune @ 4pm, massive step up in quality of opposition, being realistic we are gonna be huge underdogs and hope we don't get a hiding!!

It will be a huge challenge no doubt. No expectations though. Hopefully we can spring another performance like the semi last year. Unlikely but you never know. Won yesterday without having to get out of 2nd gear really albeit against poor opposition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 28, 2018, 12:29:45 PM
There seems to be more reserve games not being played due to not fielding this season. Is there something that can be done to prevent this? Is Sunday a bad day? There used to be loads of thirds teams but now they seem in the minority. Did Kilcoo have 4 teams at one point?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on May 28, 2018, 01:34:58 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2018, 01:49:31 PM
Reid's kickouts were outstanding. He kicked every ball short to a Down man as Antrim did not contest one kickout
It was absolute dire stuff from Down
Antrim have cemented their  place as the worst team in ulster and possibly Ireland

Name me another team in Ireland as bad as Antrim?
Carlow...?  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on May 28, 2018, 01:44:08 PM
Quote from: downjim on May 28, 2018, 12:29:45 PM
There seems to be more reserve games not being played due to not fielding this season. Is there something that can be done to prevent this? Is Sunday a bad day? There used to be loads of thirds teams but now they seem in the minority. Did Kilcoo have 4 teams at one point?
Sunday definitely doesn't help. I pulled the pin after last year mainly because it killed all day Sunday and the kids are running to stuff themselves now. The younger fellas were usually dying too. They tried Wednesdays for the Premier Reserve a couple of years ago but the senior managers weren't happy to let fellas on the edge of the team play a couple days before senior games and it ended up worse. Only Mayobridge, Clonduff, Bryansford, Liatroim and Burren left with 3rds teams as I know. Kilcoo went from 4 teams to 2 in a couple of years I think.
It's a pity because fellas in their mid thirties need something to keep them involved in the sport. The Bridge seem to do it best - they've a serious amount of top level footballers from 35 - 40 still playing away with the 3rds. Fair play to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 28, 2018, 03:55:17 PM
Burren have 2nds and 3rds in the premier reserve league this year. We have Reserves in premier and 3rds in EDRL, Carryduff the same 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on May 28, 2018, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: outinfront on May 28, 2018, 03:55:17 PM
Burren have 2nds and 3rds in the premier reserve league this year. We have Reserves in premier and 3rds in EDRL, Carryduff the same
Sorry, forgot about Bredagh. Didn't realise Carryduff had 3rds. Fair play. In the last few years Rostrevor, Saval & Tullylish all had 3rds teams and pulled them.

How's that working with Burren having 2 in the league? Their 3rds wouldn't have been that strong last year to make that jump.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 28, 2018, 07:04:53 PM
We had a lot of minors coming up this year and we felt it would be better to keep the two teams at the same level
I would have kept one in south Down personally
Monday nights would be a good night for them.
The Bridge do get a good few staying on, big Woods is still playing I see

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on May 28, 2018, 09:41:11 PM
Filling out teams will be an increasing problem; perhaps time to reconsider 13-a-side again. Would also help with the spectacle, make the massed defence less viable.
Unfortunately gaelic football by it's nature is so open it's harder to play on a casual basis or as you get older. In contrast, in soccer + rugby you can play into your 50s
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on May 28, 2018, 10:29:18 PM
Are games starred this weekend ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on May 28, 2018, 10:43:44 PM
Quote from: befair on May 28, 2018, 09:41:11 PM
Filling out teams will be an increasing problem; perhaps time to reconsider 13-a-side again. Would also help with the spectacle, make the massed defence less viable.
Unfortunately gaelic football by it's nature is so open it's harder to play on a casual basis or as you get older. In contrast, in soccer + rugby you can play into your 50s
Don't mention soccer on a Down GAA forum, you might end up on page 3 of the Irish news!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 28, 2018, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: downjim on May 28, 2018, 10:29:18 PM
Are games starred this weekend ??
I'd say this weekend and next
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on May 29, 2018, 12:47:07 PM
Quote from: befair on May 28, 2018, 09:41:11 PM
Filling out teams will be an increasing problem; perhaps time to reconsider 13-a-side again. Would also help with the spectacle, make the massed defence less viable.
Unfortunately gaelic football by it's nature is so open it's harder to play on a casual basis or as you get older. In contrast, in soccer + rugby you can play into your 50s
Both the south down and east down leagues are 13 a side now. Heard it's helped a bit as far as a spectacle goes but teams are still short. They did try Monday nights years ago if I remember right but there was issues with clashing with senior hurling too, so they'd need to sort that out.
Most lads quit playing senior at 32 to 35 and are finished completely. There should be some thought put into how to extend playing days but the competitive nature of the game makes that hard to do I think. Going out for the craic doesn't work if you take a couple of hammerings or injuries pile up. There's a big mix of players in reserves too - from a fella that has never played senior football and has no hope of ever playing senior to a fella on the edge of a senior team or a good senior player in the year after his retirement - if you get the balance the wrong way it can be very one sided.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on May 29, 2018, 03:52:01 PM
Wonder if there is any way the rules could be modified to enable older players to stay involved; like 'touch' rugby. I could hardly run thirty yds without falling over, but could stick the ball over the bar from that distance. We need some method of making gaelic football a more social game; even club players have a Spartan lifestyle now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 01, 2018, 04:12:46 PM
My tuppence is that 2pm on Sundays is the worst possible time for anyone with kids, and that 2pm on a sunny Sunday is write-off completely for younger fellas who enjoy a rip. Reserve football should appeal to social footballers, but the timings just don't work for many.

Personally I'd prefer 11am throw-ins. Yep more than a few lads might still have drink in their system, but it gives everyone their Sunday back. Other than that, 6pm throw-ins are much more conducive to family men than 2pm.

I'm not sure any week night would suit. Senior teams tend to train on Mondays and Wednesdays. Tuesdays is minor football so is out. Thursday night is a possibility and would help keep reserve football for genuine reserves, as 95% of senior managers would let dare let anyone in the first 18-20 senior spits play the night before. But then again, this would cripple smaller clubs.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on June 01, 2018, 04:27:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 01, 2018, 04:12:46 PM
My tuppence is that 2pm on Sundays is the worst possible time for anyone with kids, and that 2pm on a sunny Sunday is write-off completely for younger fellas who enjoy a rip. Reserve football should appeal to social footballers, but the timings just don't work for many.

Personally I'd prefer 11am throw-ins. Yep more than a few lads might still have drink in their system, but it gives everyone their Sunday back. Other than that, 6pm throw-ins are much more conducive to family men than 2pm.

I'm not sure any week night would suit. Senior teams tend to train on Mondays and Wednesdays. Tuesdays is minor football so is out. Thursday night is a possibility and would help keep reserve football for genuine reserves, as 95% of senior managers would let dare let anyone in the first 18-20 senior spits play the night before. But then again, this would cripple smaller clubs.
We tried to move games to 12 last year where possible and it worked out much better. The younger fellas actually preferred it too. Think it give them a reason to go for the cure earlier on a Sunday. The problem was that in our club you had to fight for a pitch with U12 boys, U14 or U16 girls on Sunday mornings plus other teams trying to train. I remember hearing talk about swapping time slots with the ladies on Saturday evenings but the girls weren't keen on Sundays either. It could come down to smaller pitches and 9 or 11 a side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 01, 2018, 10:37:24 PM
Kilcoo bt CPN by 2 points with last kick goal. Big brawl at the end
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 02, 2018, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 01, 2018, 10:37:24 PM
Kilcoo bt CPN by 2 points with last kick goal. Big brawl at the end

Yeah, video doing the rounds lots of pushing and shoving and a bit dancing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 02, 2018, 02:36:02 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 02, 2018, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 01, 2018, 10:37:24 PM
Kilcoo bt CPN by 2 points with last kick goal. Big brawl at the end

Yeah, video doing the rounds lots of pushing and shoving and a bit dancing
from all reports it seems the row in the kingdom/bryansford match was a lot worse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 02, 2018, 03:25:43 PM
Kilcoo, CPN, Bryansford, An Riocht.

Only thing that connects them all is that they've al played Ballyholland this season. f**king Harps at it again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 02, 2018, 04:59:58 PM
Kilcoo footage is shocking, why are their supporters on the field fighting with players?
Was big Rodger playing as well.
What will be done about it though, nothing. Who appoints CB to referee Kilcoo anyway??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 02, 2018, 07:34:08 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 02, 2018, 04:59:58 PM
Kilcoo footage is shocking, why are their supporters on the field fighting with players?
Was big Rodger playing as well.
What will be done about it though, nothing. Who appoints CB to referee Kilcoo anyway??

Jimbo. I'm curious. What is it you think should be "done"?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on June 02, 2018, 07:42:39 PM
Just wondering if any word on Jerome Johnson? Has he been called back into the panel yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on June 02, 2018, 09:51:47 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 02, 2018, 04:59:58 PM
Kilcoo footage is shocking, why are their supporters on the field fighting with players?
Was big Rodger playing as well.
What will be done about it though, nothing. Who appoints CB to referee Kilcoo anyway??
No point criticising Ciaran Brannigan until the report is dealt with. Apparently no sending off which seems strange. CB will have to deal with it either way now. Certainly punches thrown but the 2 lads who weren't playing where laughable.
County Board meeting will be busy Monday!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: hectorsheroes on June 03, 2018, 03:53:05 AM
All you outside the wire "speakers"/"wrong/right-sayers" maybe time you went inside the wire and actually managed and dealt with the aspects you talk about as opposed to "judge" in your expert opinions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 03, 2018, 02:14:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 02, 2018, 07:34:08 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 02, 2018, 04:59:58 PM
Kilcoo footage is shocking, why are their supporters on the field fighting with players?
Was big Rodger playing as well.
What will be done about it though, nothing. Who appoints CB to referee Kilcoo anyway??

Jimbo. I'm curious. What is it you think should be "done"?

Fine the clubs, deduct two points each and send the two lads to dancing lessons
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 03, 2018, 04:31:24 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 03, 2018, 02:14:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 02, 2018, 07:34:08 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 02, 2018, 04:59:58 PM
Kilcoo footage is shocking, why are their supporters on the field fighting with players?
Was big Rodger playing as well.
What will be done about it though, nothing. Who appoints CB to referee Kilcoo anyway??

Jimbo. I'm curious. What is it you think should be "done"?



Fine the clubs, deduct two points each and send the two lads to dancing lessons

Okay fair enough.

Now how are you going to define a melee, so that it becomes possible to implement this punishment consistently?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 03, 2018, 07:45:19 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 02, 2018, 07:34:08 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 02, 2018, 04:59:58 PM
Kilcoo footage is shocking, why are their supporters on the field fighting with players?
Was big Rodger playing as well.
What will be done about it though, nothing. Who appoints CB to referee Kilcoo anyway??

Jimbo. I'm curious. What is it you think should be "done"?
Don't let CB referee Kilcoo games. In general he's a decent ref but anytime I have seen him ref a game Kilcoo is involved in he definitely favours them with his decisions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 03, 2018, 10:38:44 PM
After seeing what Fermanagh did to Monaghan do Down have the personal on and off the field to do something similar to Donegal on Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 04, 2018, 02:50:19 PM
It will  be a tough ask to beat Donegal. We will need to be bettee in front of the posts. But if we can get by Donegal an ulster title would be realistic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 04, 2018, 09:15:29 PM
Down feis sevens results

Senior
Loughinisland bt Mayobridge

Junior
Dundrum bt Aughlisnafinn

Minor
Ballylough bt Attical

disappointing state of affairs only 2 senior entries and 3 junior entries

south down and east down minor qualifying were very well attended by all accounts and results are on the down website. some good close games there.




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 05, 2018, 04:53:19 PM
PRFL on at 11am on the day Down play in Clones. When I was playing football it was on the bus from 9am to the Paragon. Would the county board not have some sense. How can Rostrevor play in Cherryvale at 11 and be in Clones for 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on June 05, 2018, 06:27:36 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 05, 2018, 04:53:19 PM
PRFL on at 11am on the day Down play in Clones. When I was playing football it was on the bus from 9am to the Paragon. Would the county board not have some sense. How can Rostrevor play in Cherryvale at 11 and be in Clones for 2.
I'm sure the two clubs could arrange alternative date. Can't see Cherryvale  objecting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 06, 2018, 10:27:21 AM
Quote from: Samforever on June 05, 2018, 06:27:36 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 05, 2018, 04:53:19 PM
PRFL on at 11am on the day Down play in Clones. When I was playing football it was on the bus from 9am to the Paragon. Would the county board not have some sense. How can Rostrevor play in Cherryvale at 11 and be in Clones for 2.
I'm sure the two clubs could arrange alternative date. Can't see Cherryvale  objecting

Cant see Cherryvale objecting either, but ask Bredagh to be on the safe side 🤔🤔🤔
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 06, 2018, 10:48:31 PM
Bridge shit themselves again tonight with the game in their hands with ten to go
Kilcoo be hard to stop
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 07, 2018, 01:33:29 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 05, 2018, 04:53:19 PM
PRFL on at 11am on the day Down play in Clones. When I was playing football it was on the bus from 9am to the Paragon. Would the county board not have some sense. How can Rostrevor play in Cherryvale at 11 and be in Clones for 2.

All games now off I see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 07, 2018, 01:54:56 PM
No word of a team?

Any injuries since Newry?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on June 07, 2018, 01:56:50 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 06, 2018, 10:48:31 PM
Bridge shit themselves again tonight with the game in their hands with ten to go
Kilcoo be hard to stop

Kilcoo start anymore bralls? Laverty still diving when 1-on-1 with keeper? Whole mgt team still stupidly mic'd up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 07, 2018, 02:20:13 PM
I think you mean Brawls.

Can you explain why its stupid for a management team to be Mic'd up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 07, 2018, 03:21:05 PM
Many going to the game this weekend?? Anyone know were you'd be able to park?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on June 07, 2018, 03:29:07 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 07, 2018, 02:20:13 PM
I think you mean Brawls.

Can you explain why its stupid for a management team to be Mic'd up?

3 slabbers all mic'd up. on line / behind goals and slabbering from top of a van
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 07, 2018, 07:31:07 PM
Quote from: our_fella on June 07, 2018, 03:29:07 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 07, 2018, 02:20:13 PM
I think you mean Brawls.

Can you explain why its stupid for a management team to be Mic'd up?

3 slabbers all mic'd up. on line / behind goals and slabbering from top of a van
Seriously who was on top of a van!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on June 08, 2018, 03:55:57 PM
Quote from: our_fella on June 07, 2018, 01:56:50 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 06, 2018, 10:48:31 PM
Bridge shit themselves again tonight with the game in their hands with ten to go
Kilcoo be hard to stop

Kilcoo start anymore bralls? Laverty still diving when 1-on-1 with keeper? Whole mgt team still stupidly mic'd up?

Do you care to elaborate?? That is a brave accusation, I have been to a few of the games and have seen a broken jaw, a broken eye socket and a young lad getting kicked all of whom were wearing Kilcoo jerseys! Kilcoo are not on their own by a far way in starting bralls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 08, 2018, 04:02:09 PM
Quote from: Targetman on June 07, 2018, 07:31:07 PM
Quote from: our_fella on June 07, 2018, 03:29:07 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 07, 2018, 02:20:13 PM
I think you mean Brawls.

Can you explain why its stupid for a management team to be Mic'd up?

3 slabbers all mic'd up. on line / behind goals and slabbering from top of a van
Seriously who was on top of a van!!
I am not saying he was slobbering but at the CPN match last Friday there was a man on top of a van behind the goals videoing the match
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 08, 2018, 04:14:41 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 08, 2018, 04:02:09 PM
Quote from: Targetman on June 07, 2018, 07:31:07 PM
Quote from: our_fella on June 07, 2018, 03:29:07 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 07, 2018, 02:20:13 PM
I think you mean Brawls.

Can you explain why its stupid for a management team to be Mic'd up?

3 slabbers all mic'd up. on line / behind goals and slabbering from top of a van
Seriously who was on top of a van!!
I am not saying he was slobbering but at the CPN match last Friday there was a man on top of a van behind the goals videoing the match
i know this might sound weird but maybe thats where he got the best view  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on June 08, 2018, 04:39:36 PM
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on June 08, 2018, 03:55:57 PM
Quote from: our_fella on June 07, 2018, 01:56:50 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 06, 2018, 10:48:31 PM
Bridge shit themselves again tonight with the game in their hands with ten to go
Kilcoo be hard to stop

Kilcoo start anymore bralls? Laverty still diving when 1-on-1 with keeper? Whole mgt team still stupidly mic'd up?

Do you care to elaborate?? That is a brave accusation, I have been to a few of the games and have seen a broken jaw, a broken eye socket and a young lad getting kicked all of whom were wearing Kilcoo jerseys! Kilcoo are not on their own by a far way in starting bralls

Not funny how both brawls were began when kilcoo were winning? Hardly an "accusation" when it happens over again & again.. I'm all for siege mentality, but actions are vulgar.. Prime example, Laverty 1-on-1 with  keeper, literally jumped into the air (classic diver), ref said play on.. Low and behold he was rolling around clutching his face, seen was play on, magically resumed play...... 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 09, 2018, 12:43:41 AM
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on June 08, 2018, 03:55:57 PM
Quote from: our_fella on June 07, 2018, 01:56:50 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 06, 2018, 10:48:31 PM
Bridge shit themselves again tonight with the game in their hands with ten to go
Kilcoo be hard to stop

Kilcoo start anymore bralls? Laverty still diving when 1-on-1 with keeper? Whole mgt team still stupidly mic'd up?

Do you care to elaborate?? That is a brave accusation, I have been to a few of the games and have seen a broken jaw, a broken eye socket and a young lad getting kicked all of whom were wearing Kilcoo jerseys! Kilcoo are not on their own by a far way in starting bralls
That must be the pure white jerseys
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on June 09, 2018, 09:37:46 AM
Took in ballyholland v Rostrevor last night. Great game. Rostrevor storming back at end. Bad wides by both teams. Ref didn't have it easy on that tight pitch. Young rushe looks a good player.

Side note, is poucher really our saviour?  Spend half the time running on the field to give abuse to the ref. Is this really who we want running our line? Plus his extreme puke football is hard to watch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 09, 2018, 05:43:40 PM
Sky blues new nickname the blue shirts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 10, 2018, 05:41:46 PM
My god what a shambles. Disgraceful display. When will Down ever learn. Eamonn will surely go after the qualifiers. But who would want it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on June 10, 2018, 07:57:47 PM
Credit to Donegal they are a well organised side, but that was very poor today from Down.  1-08 to 0-00 at one stage and the scoreline still flattered us.  We were beaten all over the park and you would have thought Donegal had the extra man for most of the game and not Down.

I'm sure people at county board level and above will tell us that we are getting great value for money but it is really hard to watch the same sh*te over and over again and still come back for more. We've been relegated to Division 3 and other than an unimpressive win over Antrim that's it for another year. Division 4 beckons if we cannot open our eyes and see that we have as many problems off the field as we have on it. Until we rid ourselves of the nodding dogs and the man in the untouchable job for life on £50 grand a year and all his cronies and yes men then we may as well do a Ballyholland and promote the soccer.

Of course there could really be a long term plan and we are investing in Ballykinlar so we can hide out in a nuclear bunker each and every summer for the next 50 years but other than that I cannot see any plan for the future. If Poacher has any sense he'll stay in Carlow. If Down had any sense..........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 10, 2018, 08:05:55 PM
that has to be one of the worst ever displays from a down team in the ulster championship. men against boys stuff for most of the match and that was with down having a man extra. mooney and darren o'hagan the only players to emerge with any credit. dont know where we go from here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on June 10, 2018, 08:17:37 PM
That'll be 25 years and counting since we last won an Ulster title at senior level. If you had said that leaving Clones in 94 you'd have been given a job as county secretary.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on June 10, 2018, 08:34:06 PM
The same average players get picked year in year out. Too many passengers who are anonymous in Down Club Football but who somehow seem to make The County Panel year after year.

McKernan, McArdle, Turley all need to go. Good servants but being selected on past memories.

Does this Management Team actually watch Club Football or opposing Counties?  It is embarassing and a disgrace!

The fact players would rather play for their Club than represent their County sums up the state of Down Football at the minute!  Shambles
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 10, 2018, 08:36:07 PM
That simply was not good enough. To many passengers on the team who would not get on most ulster teams. That's our worst defeat ever to Donegal

Reid.5 Kickouts were shocking. What have they been at in training
Flanagan.5 Big step up. Not good enough
McArdle. 5 Wasn't good enough to get on teams 5 years ago
Doherty. 5 Had a good league big step up today and failed badly
O Hagen 6 Battled hard. One of better players but away off where he was last year
MCParland 5 Had to go off at half time. Has had a poor campaign and the captain role doesn't suit him on such a high level
Mooney 7 Downs best player tried to drive them forward but little support
Turley 4 Great player for Down but he is not up to this level anymore
Donnelly 5 took his goal well but was cleaned out
Millar 4 Had am off day but has proved to be a decent player
Maginn. 6 Some lovely points
McKernan 4 No where to be seen again when teams get on top he hides
Millar 5 good start but then a silly black card
Harrison 7 done well when ball came in. Fighting a lone battle
O Hare 6 few good points but not a top forward when comes to ulster players


Subs did not make an impact
Big decisions lie ahead. Is it time for poacher to step up?
Terrible 3 years under Burns
2 relegations
2 of our heaviest defeats in history
More a less out of everything and not even mid June

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 10, 2018, 08:37:21 PM
I don't like criticising anyone who commits to playing for or managing Down but enough is enough, that today was an embarrassment, we didn't score for 20 minutes and by that stage the game was over, as for our kickouts what the hell was going on there apart from every one going to a Donegal player,,no heart no spirit no fight against a team playing in 3rd gear, its definitely time to change the management but I honestly don't know who would want the job after watching that shite, and to rub salt into the wounds the u20's blow a 10 point lead to get beat, Brutal!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 10, 2018, 09:37:33 PM
To be fair to the u20s the referee rode them to Timbuktu and back, all game from not giving a black card and give a throw up when Down player spoke back.. Wind went out of are sails then, Pierce Laverty played very well.. As for seniors, though before the match Donegal would win but played us off the park. Harrison, O'Hare and Mooney didn't stop all day by far are best performers.. Kickouts were atrocious, Turley standing in the middle putting his hand up and not running isn't a strategy, his 2nd last game for Down I'd say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on June 10, 2018, 10:36:31 PM
Serious clear out needed starting with the co board then the manager and half the squad. Down are as low as they've been in a long time. Not much pride in the jersey there today with lads not even trying.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 10, 2018, 10:47:04 PM
Who will be next in line urban? Deegan's probably the last of the 91/94 era who has not got a go at the big one. Will he step up to the plate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 10, 2018, 10:49:00 PM
That was shocking today, no question about it. I really felt for the lads, and for Eamon burns, a legend of this county. I have no doubt a lot of hard work was put in by both players and management but it simply isn't working. Eamon will obviously step away after this year unless miracles happen but looking at that pot one in the qualifiers it doesn't look good for us.
Most of our best players were playing today but there will likely be a few retirements after that.
Is there anyone to take it on? There always is and I reckon names such as James, Deegans, Mickey Walsh , Shane Mulholland and Poacher will be in the running.
It is a tough time to be a Down man but we have seen before, from our own and other counties how quickly things can be turned around with the right men in charge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 10, 2018, 11:25:41 PM
Today was arguably our worst Ulster championship display in living memory. Monaghan at the same venue in 2016 ended up in a similar scoreline but we actually competed well in the first half then before falling apart after the break. We were clueless today from start to finish, Donegal brushed us aside all over the pitch and we appeared to have no plan whatsoever to deal with having an extra man for almost an hour.

You would have to feel sorry for Reid, as he is a decent keeper whose confidence disintegrated after his first couple of kick outs went astray. A coach should be been dispatched to give him advice from behind the goals, and taking him off at half time should have been seriously considered, but it was verging on the astonishing that he was allowed to keep going with long balls which lost us possession every tim

We struggled at the back throughout against top quality opposition, with O'Hagan our best defender as usual and Mooney having some good moments pressing up. While Donnelly stuck to his task at a beaten midfield, Turley, who has been a great servant, no longer has the mobility for this level and McKernan never got going.

Our half forward line did not really function but Harrison had an excellent game up front on limited possession while O'Hare had a couple of decent moments. Overall, you would have to say that half our team did not look like county footballers and any decent side will end our season in the qualifiers fairly swiftly.

The defeat for the u20s was probably even more disappointing after we were nine up early in the second half and in complete control. The failure to introduce Kerr at an earlier stage was baffling, and it was a bad day for both of our management teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redzone on June 10, 2018, 11:26:03 PM
Pete Mcgrath. Has proved before
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 11, 2018, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 10, 2018, 11:26:03 PM
Pete Mcgrath. Has proved before
Lets not go down that road, is JimMc Guinness busy these days?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 11, 2018, 07:50:53 AM
I cant see anything changing in Down. We have been on here for the last number of years saying the same thing. Burns has had a nightmare 3 years apart from last years championship which was decent. Will the county board ever get an overhawl? Can they be forced out? How can they be forced out. Do we really want a waterford offaly or louth in the qualifiers ?? What benefit is there of dragging this summer out. Management wise is wee james an option? Didnt do much with the minors. Deegan not sure either. Need someone who can get all players wanting to play for the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 11, 2018, 08:17:02 AM
From what I can gather Deegan is of the same mold as Burns
We need someone to pull everyone together. To many players on that panel not good enough
Jim McGuinness would be my pick but that will not happen
Does it have to be 91/94 team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on June 11, 2018, 09:05:29 AM
I see we have Cavan now. Hard to see how the team can get back up for that one.
There wasn't a huge amount of options the last when Burns came in but there's going to be less this time. Who'd want to come in now? That's assuming Burns has the sense to walk away.
Thought Harrison, Maginn and Darren O'Hagan were the only players to come out with any real credit yesterday. Other lads will be ok - just yesterday didn't work out for them.
I can't believe we have have had 3 different keepers in the last 3 seasons and no one has come up with a decent kick out strategy. You can blame Reid but the players around the middle aren't working hard enough to make space for him to kick into. With all the talk of possession from kick outs in todays football that's a mess. You have to have a plan B and even with an extra man Down couldn't make it work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 11, 2018, 09:12:14 AM
Clear out in county board??

Can someone name me people who would want to be on the county board? We need new faces but who is out there. A few new young faces and good PR would be a great start. We need to sell ourselves again. It's easy to slate volunteers but who is there to step up.

Poacher? Good coach, no plan B but his behaviour is atrocious.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 11, 2018, 09:37:35 AM
Youre wrong Jim.
Hes just a passionate and enthusiastic guy, wears his heart on his sleeve, loves his players, even drinks pints with them and shows the world too through social media. Hes the perfect fit. He would would tick all boxes. What a guy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 11, 2018, 09:45:15 AM
It's as well Maurice Hayes passed away earlier this year as yesterday would have killed him. From the team that started only Harrison, O'Hagan, O'Hare and Mooney should get a start against Cavan.

Down have no bully boys (a la F McGlynn, DJ Kane) and if we want to do anything in the next 5 years we need to unearth about 5 of them right now.   

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on June 11, 2018, 10:12:09 AM
The problem lies with the mentality within The GAA and players from previous winning eras. Management of Senior County Football Teams seems to be passed around in Down to anyone who was even remotely successful or has won an All-Ireland. Show me Eamon Burns, Conor Deegan's or (Insert any 91 or 94 All Ireland Winner) coaching credentials and achievements?

In any other sporting code securing a Senior Management position is only attained when the person's capabilities and credentials have been deemed to be worthy. With us all you've to do is declare an interest, hold an All-Ireland medal and away you go.

It has become a farce and a once proud County is disintegrating into a laughing stock.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on June 11, 2018, 10:36:32 AM
Does anyone know the statistics for our results as a county in the Ulster championship for the last 5 years for minor, senior and under 21 (add in the new under 17/20 grades also)?

There are bound to be very few counties in any province with worse records of the last 5 years (we could go back much further)

I was in attendance at the East Down Under 8 superblitz at RGU on Saturday. Hundreds of children (one source stated 450 kids), great organisation, passionate coaches, loads of wonderful talent on show. Anyone looking in from outside the county would say that we are probably a real force. I'm sure its the same in South Down and all the way up through the age groups throughout the county.

We are not a county of poor footballing standards but why does it seem that way when all our county teams perform at championship level?

As for people mentioning the likes of Jim McGuinness - they need to understand that the County do not have the finances for someone from outside the county. I believe that Poacher seriously needs to be considered as an integral part of the next management. He may not have won much but he has experience of being part of a limited but obviously improved county team in Carlow whilst he has been around schools football and division one football in Down for years now - knowing every player inside out.

In any case regardless of who the next manager is that comes in they will need to get the Kilcoo contingent on board. Unbelievable that not one magpie started yesterday.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 11, 2018, 11:42:51 AM
Kane, dabs, McGovern, McAleenan, Aaron Brannigan, Choc, Mallon, Quinn, Morgan, Brady,O'Hare, PD, McArdle, Magee, McGarry

A team from Downs top 4 teams not playing yesterday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on June 11, 2018, 11:48:35 AM
Quote from: A man from Down on June 11, 2018, 10:36:32 AM
As for people mentioning the likes of Jim McGuinness - they need to understand that the County do not have the finances for someone from outside the county.

Why don't we have the finances and we don't have to include Burrenbridge in the debate, but where does the money go? Also why aren't we able to attract more money in to the county coffers, we have a very marketable product, but as I see it no strategy or imagination. A lot of people, myself included, simply will not give another penny while the likes of McAteer and co have any involvement.

How many more years are we going to talk about this while nothing changes?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 11, 2018, 11:50:39 AM
Ambrose name me young people who you think should take over or would want to? Give us some answers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on June 11, 2018, 12:01:51 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 11, 2018, 11:50:39 AM
Ambrose name me young people who you think should take over or would want to? Give us some answers

Honestly don't have the answers Jim, but we are setting ourselves up for failure time and again by allowing the same people to continue unchallenged. You won't attract new people the way things currently stand.
People like me refuse to contribute financially for obvious reasons and as you stated in your previous post players are staying away for one reason or another. I took a walk down to the Point v KIlcoo game recently and not one of those players, the current top two in the league are represented at county level. It was a cracking game, both sides showed plenty of fight, literally and no one bats an eyelid when these same players don't want to play for the county?

The sad thing is that I can guarantee that we will be having the same conversation this time next year as nothing will have changed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on June 11, 2018, 12:03:59 PM
County finances should be greatly improved now that the clubs are paying off their debt. The makeup of the county board makes it very difficult to replace anyone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 11, 2018, 12:59:02 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 11, 2018, 11:42:51 AM
Kane, dabs, McGovern, McAleenan, Aaron Brannigan, Choc, Mallon, Quinn, Morgan, Brady,O'Hare, PD, McArdle, Magee, McGarry

A team from Downs top 4 teams not playing yesterday
Is that Magee from the bridge or one of the ones from CPN?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 11, 2018, 01:02:36 PM
Our PR is really poor and we need that to improve. We need to sell ourselves better. The Bridge and CPN for example seem to be really good at this. Half of it is probably crap but open the local papers this week and I guarantee there will be at much about those two clubs than Down itself. The Point with Feile stuff and the Bridge prancing big Leo about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 11, 2018, 01:17:51 PM
Quote from: elk on June 11, 2018, 12:59:02 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 11, 2018, 11:42:51 AM
Kane, dabs, McGovern, McAleenan, Aaron Brannigan, Choc, Mallon, Quinn, Morgan, Brady,O'Hare, PD, McArdle, Magee, McGarry

A team from Downs top 4 teams not playing yesterday
Is that Magee from the bridge or one of the ones from CPN?

Either or, two good players

Can any Magpie poster tell us why the Brannigans won't play for Down, McCorry could not even get them. Kilcoo have not have many marquee county players in their history . I may be wrong but have Kilcoo any senior All Ireland winners?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on June 11, 2018, 01:44:18 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 11, 2018, 01:02:36 PM
Our PR is really poor and we need that to improve. We need to sell ourselves better. The Bridge and CPN for example seem to be really good at this. Half of it is probably crap but open the local papers this week and I guarantee there will be at much about those two clubs than Down itself. The Point with Feile stuff and the Bridge prancing big Leo about.

Its a team we need Downjim PR is the last of our worries at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on June 11, 2018, 01:47:04 PM
Slightly off topic but can anyone remember who was Down manager in 1986.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 11, 2018, 02:16:08 PM
Quote from: thebar on June 11, 2018, 01:44:18 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 11, 2018, 01:02:36 PM
Our PR is really poor and we need that to improve. We need to sell ourselves better. The Bridge and CPN for example seem to be really good at this. Half of it is probably crap but open the local papers this week and I guarantee there will be at much about those two clubs than Down itself. The Point with Feile stuff and the Bridge prancing big Leo about.

Its a team we need Downjim PR is the last of our worries at the minute.

I agree with you but my point is that we do not sell ourselves well. Everything is negative, look at the Carlowrising crap on twitter. It works though and Carlow are getting loads of exposure. I honestly would not know a few of them Down players if they walked past me. More exposure needed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on June 11, 2018, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on June 11, 2018, 01:47:04 PM
Slightly off topic but can anyone remember who was Down manager in 1986.
Sean Smith I think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 11, 2018, 04:57:19 PM
Sean Smith was definitely Down manager when we unluckily lost the 1986 Ulster final to Tyrone. He would have taken over from the McCartans the previous season and was succeeded by Jackie McManus a couple of years later.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 11, 2018, 05:10:53 PM
The word is that this management team have been giving a 3 year term to build the team up again. Sean O apparently give them a vote of confidence last night. That's the word around work today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on June 11, 2018, 05:40:54 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 11, 2018, 05:10:53 PM
The word is that this management team have been giving a 3 year term to build the team up again. Sean O apparently give them a vote of confidence last night. That's the word around work today

Is that the same vote of confidence afforded to Jim McCorry!!! when they had the knife stuck in him. Had they of given McCorry a 3 year term and allowed him the time to make the changes,  i think we might have been seeing the benefits of it by now.

The Cavan game represents an opportunity to restart but in reality we are miles of the top ten teams in the country.

At least 4-5 of the starting team yesterday are either not good enough or past their best. we are also missing another 5-6 who either wont play at all or left the panel. the subs who came on made no impression either.

Men against boys in alot of cases and Down also not able to stay with the runners so all told miles behind.

Sean Og must have been on the sauce last night!!!



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 11, 2018, 05:44:05 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on June 11, 2018, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on June 11, 2018, 01:47:04 PM
Slightly off topic but can anyone remember who was Down manager in 1986.
Sean Smith I think
Big Pat Donnan steped back over the line with the ball in the Ulster final, cost us the game!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 11, 2018, 07:56:30 PM
its true the old saying 'empty vessels make the most noise'  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 11, 2018, 10:59:35 PM
Targetman, there is no way the goal should have been given in 1986. Pat Donnan, who it is fair to say had a broad chest, was on the line and leaning forward when he caught the ball. The umpire beside him never moved a muscle but the one on the other side, who did not have a clear view, grabbed the green flag.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 12, 2018, 08:37:58 AM
Wobbler any thoughts on the weekend? Why is it going so badly wrong at all levels for Down? Who should be next in line? Deegan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 12, 2018, 12:30:58 PM
Im surprised that anyone's surprised.

Have a look at our championship defeats since 2010:

2017: Tyrone 9 pts, Monaghan 8 pts.
2016: Monaghan 19 pts, Longford 4 pts (aet)
2015: Derry 1 pt, Wexford 5 pts
2014: Tyrone 8 pts (R), Kildare 10 pts
2013: Donegal 3 pts, Derry 5 pts
2012: Donegal 11 pts, Mayo 18 pts
2011: Armagh 5 pts, Cork 12 pts

With the exception of Celtic Park in 2015, once our heads dropped, the bangers went completely. Which would suggest the players know/believe they're not good enough.

Whether we like it or not, football did change around the turn of this decade. To compete against a top side you have to be structured at the back, which is about management, coaching and shape, and swift and decisive in attack - which is primarily about individual player decision-making. Furthermore, you have to win upwards on 70% of your own restarts, as strong opponents will win more than that of their own.... and you can't win a match with 30% possession. I can't help feeling we're fundamentally lost in all these accounts. Our defensive shape is set up to give opportunities to hide; marking space instead of making tackles, not getting forward to support ball carriers or winning break ball.

Anyhow, I think it's fair to say that we can no longer look down on Antrim. Not something I thought I'd ever say. But being honest is good way to start rebuilding.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on June 12, 2018, 02:37:02 PM
Was just watching the Down vs Kildare match from 2010, and the difference between this Down team and then is unreal. Sure Down had a better squad back then but that Down team did everything at 100 miles per hour; tacking, breaking forward and forward movement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 12, 2018, 04:05:18 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on June 12, 2018, 02:37:02 PM
Was just watching the Down vs Kildare match from 2010, and the difference between this Down team and then is unreal. Sure Down had a better squad back then but that Down team did everything at 100 miles per hour; tacking, breaking forward and forward movement.

we had mccartan, McIver and tally then though

we had ambrose Rodgers, coulter, hughes, the Clarkes, polie, that team should have beat cork that year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 12, 2018, 04:57:11 PM
The contribution of Garvey and Rooney in 2010 often goes overlooked. They nullified so many individual threats on opposing teams that year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 12, 2018, 04:59:16 PM
The 'Down Way' of reminiscing past glories is evident in those last two posts. We have to look forward if we are to move forward.

I'm away home to watch 1991 again  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 12, 2018, 05:57:45 PM
Enniskillen next Saturday at 5, the reward for last Sunday's efforts!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on June 13, 2018, 12:06:54 AM
Deegan? What has he done to warrant getting the Down senior job? Beat Antrim under 20s?

Just keep giving it to the next player from the 91/94 teams who hasn't had the job yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 13, 2018, 08:07:37 AM
By all accounts Deegan reign as under 20 boss has been anything but good. Very unorganised and lads had not a clue when the were training. A very unprofessional set up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 13, 2018, 09:45:06 AM
Anyone who was on the Hill in 91 can apply for the Job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 13, 2018, 09:46:36 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on June 12, 2018, 04:59:16 PM
The 'Down Way' of reminiscing past glories is evident in those last two posts. We have to look forward if we are to move forward.

I'm away home to watch 1991 again  :)

incorrect, you have to look every way possible - fact

btw the 1991 final was how football should be played
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 13, 2018, 09:49:50 AM
We need youth Niall McAleenan , Mickey Walsh and Conor Laverty. That's an exciting line up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 13, 2018, 11:49:13 AM
Jesus.
This is getting ridiculous now.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 13, 2018, 12:11:15 PM
Give us your view Block?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 13, 2018, 12:54:37 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 13, 2018, 11:49:13 AM
Jesus.
This is getting ridiculous now.
x1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 13, 2018, 02:54:18 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 13, 2018, 09:49:50 AM
We need youth Niall McAleenan , Mickey Walsh and Conor Laverty. That's an exciting line up
With Laverty as player/manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on June 13, 2018, 04:36:31 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 13, 2018, 09:49:50 AM
We need youth Niall McAleenan , Mickey Walsh and Conor Laverty. That's an exciting line up

Yer right there.

There is no point bringing in another fella who done his bit in the 90s, but has no worthwhile coaching track record in all the years since.

The younger fellas may not (yet) have established a good track record - but at least there is a chance that it is because of youth rather than simply being a bad/average coach!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 13, 2018, 04:48:27 PM
Mulholland, Kennedy and Poacher as coach with Stevie locked in Friar Tucks during games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 13, 2018, 05:00:41 PM
A puss take if there ever was one. I'm all for young coaches getting a chance but Down need a stable head. Some of the names being fired around are laughable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 13, 2018, 05:01:36 PM
In what way?

Have you any suggestions as to who would fit the bill?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 13, 2018, 05:22:16 PM
Poacher not a bad shout.
Would Wee Pete steady the ship along with poacher?
Well Walsh was with Mayobridge for 4/5 years never competed in a final as far as I know even in those 5 years.
Think it's time for Pete to come back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 13, 2018, 05:29:38 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 13, 2018, 05:22:16 PM
Poacher not a bad shout.
Would Wee Pete steady the ship along with poacher?
Well Walsh was with Mayobridge for 4/5 years never competed in a final as far as I know even in those 5 years.
Think it's time for Pete to come back

Lol at Wee Pete. Just how many teams did she have to fail with before he can be crossed off the list?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 13, 2018, 05:40:53 PM
Your probably right wobbler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 13, 2018, 06:55:20 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 13, 2018, 05:22:16 PM
Poacher not a bad shout.
Would Wee Pete steady the ship along with poacher?
Well Walsh was with Mayobridge for 4/5 years never competed in a final as far as I know even in those 5 years.
Think it's time for Pete to come back
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 13, 2018, 05:40:53 PM
Your probably right wobbler

took you all of 18 minutes to change your mind about wee pete  ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on June 13, 2018, 10:29:51 PM
John mcentee (he was interested before only the co board went for the cheap option) and let him bring his own backroom team.

He's the man to be the next down manager. Or let the county board take the bullshit backward approach and give it a 91/94 player. What's big witnall at these days?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 13, 2018, 10:37:43 PM
We need to keep this in Down and have no Orchard men in our county. There are loads of good men if you look, would wee James take another shot at it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 13, 2018, 10:48:27 PM
So yous all reckon the managerial dream team of Burns, Murray, Adams and whoever else is involved will be relieved of their duties, wudnt bet on it!! Oh sure throw Paul Mc Ivor's name in there too, swipe Kilcoo's manager again and chase him after a year!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 14, 2018, 08:54:05 AM
A strange post.

All County men in action tomorrow night. What does that say if anything?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on June 14, 2018, 12:44:43 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 14, 2018, 08:54:05 AM
A strange post.

All County men in action tomorrow night. What does that say if anything?

Burns had no option other than to let them play tomorrow night. he would have lost more men from the panel had he starred the game. even for him to release some players and not others would have seen those released walking away at this stage. its a gamble in terms of possible injuries but nothing to lose at this stage.

Thought process would also be to allow them to get game time in with the clubs and in the hope that the players regained some confidence and composue before the Cavan game.

Otherwise they be facing into it with their last game the hiding last week and the mental scars that will surely have gone with it.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: belfastsaff on June 15, 2018, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: Targetman on June 13, 2018, 10:48:27 PM
So yous all reckon the managerial dream team of Burns, Murray, Adams and whoever else is involved will be relieved of their duties, wudnt bet on it!! Oh sure throw Paul Mc Ivor's name in there too, swipe Kilcoo's manager again and chase him after a year!!
Wouldn't talk much on this forum but going by my experience Cathal Murray is one of the best about -  However the same cant be said for Adams and Burns out of there depth at this level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on June 15, 2018, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on June 14, 2018, 12:44:43 PM
Burns had no option other than to let them play tomorrow night. he would have lost more men from the panel had he starred the game.

Starred games are a load of balls anyway.

Better the players are match sharp rather than wrapped in cotton wool.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 15, 2018, 04:49:37 PM
Its easy to say that when you've been beaten and little hope of progressing.

If there was an Ulster Final or semi final to prepare for even it'd be a different story.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 15, 2018, 05:18:05 PM
Eamonn should go once this campaign is over, brought nothing to the table, confirmed club managerial success - zero
Conor Deegan - similar success as Eamonn, how he lost that match against Derry is so puzzling,I seen many bad managerial decisions in my lifetime but his is in the top three.
Might as well go for a treble, Sean og , you have done your best , you have run this county into the ground, financially,reputation and relations within and outside the county, do the honourable thing and step aside.
Who replaces Eamonn and Conor, my suggestion is Paddy Tally , he knows the players and Down football so would be a perfect choice.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 16, 2018, 05:47:35 PM
Funny results in the SFL
CPN are flying at present
A few of the so called bigger teams just cruising through to August doing enough to keep them in the top half. If anyone can stop the Magpies who will it be?
Personally I think the Point will fade and are mentally weak. Clonduff ,ourselves and the blueshirts are best equipped to challenge but would need everyone available.
Looking forward to the championship starting as league football is like training games these days, everyone is afraid to show their hand.
Great football from Harps last night, getting beat by 8 and still sit with two sweepers 😴😴😴
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 16, 2018, 06:39:47 PM
Surely Burren are the team to finally take the magpies?
They need to grow a set first.
CPN will be close clownjim are you worried that the wee club down the road are finally catching up? Mayobridge looked more like a second team on Wednesday night all the big hitters not playing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 16, 2018, 07:21:44 PM
Garvey is a big loss to the Blues, We will be in the top 4 and then who knows what will happen.  Did all the county players come through the games unscathed last night??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 16, 2018, 07:25:55 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 16, 2018, 07:21:44 PM
Garvey is a big loss to the Blues, We will be in the top 4 and then who knows what will happen.  Did all the county players come through the games unscathed last night??
connaire harrison was sent off for glasdrumman against atticall.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 16, 2018, 10:37:21 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 16, 2018, 06:39:47 PM
Surely Burren are the team to finally take the magpies?
They need to grow a set first.
CPN will be close clownjim are you worried that the wee club down the road are finally catching up? Mayobridge looked more like a second team on Wednesday night all the big hitters not playing
The bridge could have beaten CPN on Wednesday with a few players missing so they must have a decent chance in the championship but Burren need someone easy to beat Kilcoo to have any chance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: UlsterMan2 on June 17, 2018, 01:11:48 AM
Watched a lot of football this year, the best footballer in down football this year is Connaire Harrison followed by Ryan O Hare of Ballymartin, who isn't even on down squad, and best refereeing performances have been by Ciaran Mooney of Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 17, 2018, 09:39:56 AM
Ulsterman you must watch very little football, Harrison is a decent enough player with a suspect temperament, watch Ryan oHare twice this year , twice he disappointed  and him not being on county panel is his choice, I personally don't think club managers rest players for the championship , they probably play what's available to them.
I personally can't wait for Aug as there may be a few upsets or closer games than you think, on paper it should be a walk in the park for the top six in div 1 but take a closer look and old rivalries from the past are there and maybe it's not so straight forward , for what it's wirth Kilcoo for Senior because they use a tried and trusted formula that up to now no one can beat.
Intermediate - Darragh Cross , hard to beat and have several decent players, depends on holidays etc who they have available
Junior - Ardglass , sentimental pick , but have several talented players , could be their year
Finally Sean og , Eamonn and Conor Deegan should all go , put a new team in place before club championships to let them see what's out there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2018, 09:43:31 AM
Conor Deegan to be confirmed as the new Down manager for 2019 after Downs campaign ends.
He was told on Friday night the jobs his.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 17, 2018, 09:50:33 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2018, 09:43:31 AM
Conor Deegan to be confirmed as the new Down manager for 2019 after Downs campaign ends.
He was told on Friday night the jobs his.

Eith this county board ot wouldnt suprise me if they make this decision while Eamonn is still in the job. Disgraceful
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2018, 09:56:53 AM
Snoopdog that will be conformed when Downs campaign is over
Such an underwhelming appointment
Can it get anymore depressing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 17, 2018, 10:16:24 AM
Quote from: downjim on June 16, 2018, 05:47:35 PM
Funny results in the SFL....

I don't see enough club football so forgive me if this has already been discussed/explained. Buut what has happened to Castlewelan this year? They have been championship finalists in the last two years and been always high up league table. What has caused this year's collapse?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 17, 2018, 10:34:34 AM
2015 was Castlewellan's last appearance in a final, poor league form this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2018, 10:39:27 AM
Gareth o Neill took over Castlewellan this year not a good start for the Crossmaglen man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 17, 2018, 12:00:31 PM
Towns has not changed its team in 5 years- that's what's wrong.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 17, 2018, 12:09:54 PM
Quote from: UlsterMan2 on June 17, 2018, 01:11:48 AM
Watched a lot of football this year, the best footballer in down football this year is Connaire Harrison followed by Ryan O Hare of Ballymartin, who isn't even on down squad, and best refereeing performances have been by Ciaran Mooney of Rostrevor
You need to go and watch some 1st division games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 17, 2018, 02:37:10 PM
Conor Deegans appointment if it's true will be a disaster, he lost that match against Derry when all who were present would have said it was impossible to lose, managerial experience in Down was without success and similar can be said of his spell on Dublin club football.However this could be another example of Sean og stating We have got our man, statement he used when Eamonn Burns was appointed, we are fast running out of candidates from the 1991-1994 era.
In case some of the contributors on here haven't noticed, good players don't always make good managers and to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of madness.
So out with the old and in with the new, Sean og, Eamonn and Conor bye bye!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 17, 2018, 03:19:23 PM
Let's see how things materialise folks.

A senior football manager cannot be appointed until he is proposed by the executive / section committee, and approved by the county board (clubs).

So I'm guessing that even if Deegan is an avenue the executive might explore, there's more than a touch of Chinese whispers going on here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2018, 05:14:51 PM
Wobbler was Burns appointment passed by the clubs? As far as I am aware the executive announced him as the new Down manager. I think this appointment will be svoyter disaster. Why can't we for once think outside the box and go for an outsider. Deegan will be another big disappointment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 17, 2018, 05:31:41 PM
Outsiders?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 17, 2018, 05:43:38 PM
Yes an outside manager clownjim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 17, 2018, 09:46:46 PM
Yes, someone who has a proven track record , successful and would be a bonus if he could communicate with players.
Eamonn would have been proposed by the county executive , presented to clubs and then voted in.What annoys me is why does the executive have individual votes on deciding who is appointed because this can cause friction similar to what occurred with the appointment of Jim MCCorry when the clubs voted overwhelmingly to appoint him , only for Sean og and co at the top table to vote against his appointment, thus distorting the picture, but that's all in the past and maybe it's the Down Way, which is definitely not the away of many other counties.
Another question , is Sean og still paid by the Ilster council or Croke Park , I overheard he's now our responsibility - not good if we are looking value for money!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 18, 2018, 12:32:17 AM
Paddy O'Rourke got removed from post by the county board even through he had full backing of the executive.

Things might be skewed in the executive's favour but the reality is it should be, they're the ones putting the time and effort into running our county.

But I think it's in everyone's interests to accept that they can actually only deliver a motion if a hefty percentage of clubs get behind it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 18, 2018, 08:29:13 AM
A panel of 3-5 people with footballing background should be appointed to source the candidates for the job and then those people should be presented to the club representatives for ratification, I take your point that the executive put a lot of time and effort but if they get an individual vote it means their clubs in effect get two votes.
However as been seen in the past the executive vote as one , they follow and have followed the secretary in the past and that means that block vote can mean the appointment of someone or the sacking of another which has previously happened.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2018, 09:20:12 AM
The panel of 3-5 does not work as 4 of them are normally on the executive. Go out and find the best possible candidate for the job and stop giving it to the easy option who will be a yes man to the top man.
This has been another depressing season for all our teams
Seniors relagated and hammered by Donegal in the championship
Under 20s just about overcome Antrim and beat by Derry
Under 17s beat Armagh in a dire match and lost to both Tyrone and Monaghan
When are the executives going to sit up and take notice?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on June 18, 2018, 01:10:03 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2018, 09:20:12 AM
The panel of 3-5 does not work as 4 of them are normally on the executive. Go out and find the best possible candidate for the job and stop giving it to the easy option who will be a yes man to the top man.
This has been another depressing season for all our teams
Seniors relagated and hammered by Donegal in the championship
Under 20s just about overcome Antrim and beat by Derry
Under 17s beat Armagh in a dire match and lost to both Tyrone and Monaghan
When are the executives going to sit up and take notice?

If you add the hurlers in to that mix, it really hasn't been a great year for anyone in Down.

Talk of Deegan being given the job at this stage is premature, though it wouldn't surprise me in the least, I'm sure we will get our man. Anyone even bothering to go to Enniskillen on Saturday. I can't see anything but a comfortable win for Cavan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 01:31:41 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on June 18, 2018, 01:10:03 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2018, 09:20:12 AM
The panel of 3-5 does not work as 4 of them are normally on the executive. Go out and find the best possible candidate for the job and stop giving it to the easy option who will be a yes man to the top man.
This has been another depressing season for all our teams
Seniors relagated and hammered by Donegal in the championship
Under 20s just about overcome Antrim and beat by Derry
Under 17s beat Armagh in a dire match and lost to both Tyrone and Monaghan
When are the executives going to sit up and take notice?

If you add the hurlers in to that mix, it really hasn't been a great year for anyone in Down.

Talk of Deegan being given the job at this stage is premature, though it wouldn't surprise me in the least, I'm sure we will get our man. Anyone even bothering to go to Enniskillen on Saturday. I can't see anything but a comfortable win for Cavan.

The hurlers are very young and probably did OK in the CR only to get put out on a one point score difference, but yes your general sentiment is very valid.

We ended up not fielding in the Celtic Challenge as we didn't plan to have an U17 hurling team in the Leinster Minor championship at the same time as have an U16 development team in the Celtic Challenge games like every other "Tier One" county, but in saying that I don't think we have the playing base currently and that needs to be looked at if we're serious about development squads and what they're meant to achieve hurling wise.
There is currently no real forum to thrash these things out in hurling and I'd say the same is probably true in football with the internal cartel calling the shots.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 18, 2018, 01:35:45 PM
I'll be there, in all honesty I can't see us winning but I hope the players that didn't perform against Donegal show a bit of pride in the jersey and don't give up if/ when we go a few points behind, are we expecting many changes in personnel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2018, 01:47:05 PM
I would expect McArdle Turley McKernan Donnelly and Millar to drop off the team to be replaced by who I do not know.
Johnstone Dornan Flynn McConville to come in as they are all young and have plenty of running in the legs
Any new additions to the squad ?

My team
Harrison
Flanagan
Doherty
O Hagen
Johnstone
McParland just about
Flynn
Mooney
Dornan
Millar
Maginn
McConville
O hare
Madine
Harrison

McKernan
Donnelly
Turley
McArdle
All to come on when the match is tight at the end and needs some experience
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on June 18, 2018, 03:49:58 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2018, 01:47:05 PM
I would expect McArdle Turley McKernan Donnelly and Millar to drop off the team to be replaced by who I do not know.
Johnstone Dornan Flynn McConville to come in as they are all young and have plenty of running in the legs
Any new additions to the squad ?

My team
Harrison
Flanagan
Doherty
O Hagen
Johnstone
McParland just about
Flynn
Mooney
Dornan
Millar
Maginn
McConville
O hare
Madine
Harrison

McKernan
Donnelly
Turley
McArdle
All to come on when the match is tight at the end and needs some experience

Shay Millar was taken off injured 20 minutes into Glenn's match on Friday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 18, 2018, 10:31:00 PM
Presumably the McConville in Smurfy's team should be McKibben, who will be expecting to start. Harrison looks a certainty in goals but McArdle is still more likely than Doherty at full back and McAleenan could be introduced in the corner. There is a case for keeping last week's half back line of O'Hagan, McParland and Mooney in place but sadly Turley no longer has the mobility for midfield. It would be surprising if Donnelly is not retained, with either Madine or McKibben beside him. McKernan was poor against Donegal but his experience may get him another chance. While there is a lack of depth in our squad, Cavan are nothing special either. However, there is a fair chance that a few careers are on the line in Enniskillen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2018, 10:40:47 PM
Steven McConville clonduff I am talking about. Why would McKibben expect to start?
I would imagine this will be the end for Turley McArdle McKernan all great servants to Down football but we need to move on with the youth. We can't keep going back to these men as we continue to get the same results. What would your starting 15 be mourne?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 18, 2018, 11:03:05 PM
Heard donal o'hare and caolan mooney picked up knocks as well on friday night and are doubts for saturday. Hopefully both are fit as they were 2 of the very few decent performers the last day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 18, 2018, 11:12:44 PM
O Hare and Millar look almost certain to be out both hamstring pulls on Friday night
Mooney would be a doubt
Big misses if true
Can downjim confirm on O Hare?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 18, 2018, 11:54:40 PM
Ligaments gone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 19, 2018, 08:57:58 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 18, 2018, 10:31:00 PM
Presumably the McConville in Smurfy's team should be McKibben, who will be expecting to start. Harrison looks a certainty in goals but McArdle is still more likely than Doherty at full back and McAleenan could be introduced in the corner. There is a case for keeping last week's half back line of O'Hagan, McParland and Mooney in place but sadly Turley no longer has the mobility for midfield. It would be surprising if Donnelly is not retained, with either Madine or McKibben beside him. McKernan was poor against Donegal but his experience may get him another chance. While there is a lack of depth in our squad, Cavan are nothing special either. However, there is a fair chance that a few careers are on the line in Enniskillen.
McAleenan is as good a corner back as there is in the county don't understand why he has not had more game time. Would do no harm to have a look a few of his CPN team mates for next season, as they are at least as good as the majority of the current panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 19, 2018, 09:06:14 AM
Take your blue glasses off elk and name names
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 19, 2018, 10:56:21 AM
Ok Tammy - his wee brother, mc cartan,magee,mallon,murdock and boyle,- don't know if all of them would be interested but I'll stop before the blue haze blinds me totally!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on June 19, 2018, 04:23:51 PM
Donagh McAleenan has been the best player I've witnessed this year in Down Club Football. How young players of his calibre are not involved in The Down set up is beyond me.

John Boyle for a number of years now has been a standout performer in Division 1. Warrenpoint's best and most influential performer. He has stood out a mile every time I've seen them this year.


All Club's will have their view on how their own Club's best player(s) are not involved in The Down Panel. But I think anyone who follows Down GAA closely will acknowledge that for too long the majority of our County representative players do not stand out in Club Football yet still manage to make the squad year after year. Many of them struggle to be the best player in their own Club never mind on a field of play.

Things have to change and until it does we will continue to watch the same names be anonymous in Down Club games yet be on County Teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2018, 06:20:19 PM
Of the starting team who would show well for clubs
Reid x
Flanagan x
McArdle x
Doherty x
O Hagen yes
McParland x
Mooney yes
Donnelly x
Turley x
Millar yes
Maginn yes
Millar x
O hare x
Harrison x
McKernan x

Johnstone yes
Flynn yes
McKibben x
Wells x


Open for correction
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 19, 2018, 06:46:06 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2018, 06:20:19 PM
Of the starting team who would show well for clubs
Reid x
Flanagan x
McArdle x
Doherty x
O Hagen yes
McParland x
Mooney yes
Donnelly x
Turley x
Millar yes
Maginn yes
Millar x
O hare x
Harrison x
McKernan x

Johnstone yes
Flynn yes
McKibben x
Wells x


Open for correction

You are clearly not half wise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2018, 06:48:52 PM
How do you work that out

If you were going to say a Castlewellan match tomorrow unbeknown of anyone would you pick out Flanagan?

Burren McKernan?

Downpatrick Turley?

Hilltown o Hagen yes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 19, 2018, 06:56:28 PM
If you couldn't pick Harrisson out as a county player while watching glassdrumman you would be as well packing the whole thing in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 19, 2018, 07:02:45 PM
I thought he was blowing kisses to his favourites
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2018, 07:04:09 PM
Yes well obviously he would stand out but hasn't this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 19, 2018, 07:27:32 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 19, 2018, 06:56:28 PM
If you couldn't pick Harrisson out as a county player while watching glassdrumman you would be as well packing the whole thing in.
not last friday night you wouldn't. Very poor performance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 19, 2018, 10:31:17 PM
The fact is we don't have many "stand out " players which in turn leads to relegation to division 3 and embarrassing results like the Donegal one, our squad is made up of mostly players who are very average and I'm sure there are players of an equal standard or better in the county who aren't on the panel or don't want to be on the panel!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 20, 2018, 09:48:26 AM
Quote from: Targetman on June 18, 2018, 01:35:45 PM
I'll be there, in all honesty I can't see us winning but I hope the players that didn't perform against Donegal show a bit of pride in the jersey and don't give up if/ when we go a few points behind, are we expecting many changes in personnel?

I see us winning.....close but yes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 20, 2018, 11:40:00 AM
The eternal optimist, fair play!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 20, 2018, 10:04:16 PM
Super blues beaten 😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2018, 10:34:07 PM
Downjim when did Burren start worrying about leagues?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 21, 2018, 10:40:58 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 20, 2018, 10:34:07 PM
Downjim when did Burren start worrying about leagues?

Look sure bet to win minor league anyway
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 21, 2018, 09:53:04 PM
Harrison
McAleenan
McArdle
Doherty
O Hagen
McParland
Mooney
Turley
Donnelly
Millar
McKernan
Maginn
Dornan
Harrison
Millar


Baffles me how so little changes to being made. Destroyed around the middles and overrun all over the field what do we do change our corner back. O Hare was ruled out allowing for that change along with the obvious one and the keeper.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 21, 2018, 10:22:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 21, 2018, 09:53:04 PM
Harrison
McAleenan
McArdle
Doherty
O Hagen
McParland
Mooney
Turley
Donnelly
Millar
McKernan
Maginn
Dornan
Harrison
Millar


Baffles me how so little changes to being made. Destroyed around the middles and overrun all over the field what do we do change our corner back. O Hare was ruled out allowing for that change along with the obvious one and the keeper.
definitely expected more changes to be made. Burns must be hoping the players picked can go out and redeem themselves but unfortunately that line up wouldn't fill me with any confidence especially after the display in the last outing. hope i'm wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 21, 2018, 10:26:30 PM
Anyone in the squad who's annobvuous omission from this week's team fellas?

Not saying Burns is right btw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 21, 2018, 10:32:26 PM
R Johnstone as him coming on doesn't work
Stephen McConville not test at this level but was good for st Mary's (big step up)
J Flynn to midfield

I know now where you are coming from wobbler
Now is when we really miss

McGovern
McGovern
Murphy
Quinn
Mallon
Johnstone
O Hagen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 21, 2018, 11:40:39 PM
Read team, Eamonn has given players chance to redeem themselves, very noble , I expect to be beaten by 5 Pts , hopefully that will end this managers tenure, disastrous appointment from the start, there is no positives I can see, I sincerely as a life long Down supporter hope I'm wrong but I can't see any other result other than defeat.Why isn't more of the panel been given a chance , if they are not good enough why are they there in the first place?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 21, 2018, 11:56:42 PM
There must be a reasonable prospect of a couple of further changes. Harrison was a certainty for nets and it was predictable that McAleenan would come in at corner back with the half back line retained. Turley will only start if Burns thinks the Cavan midfield is physically strong but slow, and Ronan Millar has yet to convince. McKibbin and Flynn are in contention and throwing in someone with a point to prove like Madine or McGrady could shake things up. Cavan are entitled to be favourites, but they have conceded big scores in their last two defeats and, for all our obvious weaknesses, we are a decent price at 3/1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Feckmylife on June 22, 2018, 03:52:42 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 19, 2018, 06:20:19 PM
Of the starting team who would show well for clubs
Reid x
Flanagan x
McArdle x
Doherty x
O Hagen yes
McParland x
Mooney yes
Donnelly x
Turley x
Millar yes
Maginn yes
Millar x
O hare x
Harrison x
McKernan x

Johnstone yes
Flynn yes
McKibben x
Wells x


Open for correction

I've been reading this forum for a long time. This is the most ridiculous post I've ever read
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 22, 2018, 04:11:00 PM
In fairness hes been in good company.
Theres rarely anything in here worth reading anymore.
If opinion on here is any sort of barometer for views in local football then theres some seriously deluded & daft people about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 22, 2018, 04:35:54 PM
Some big games in div 1 tonight. Saval v the Town is a 4 pointer. It will be fiesty no doubt.
The Harps would be hopeful of a win tonight after picking up one point from the last eight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 22, 2018, 04:53:24 PM
100% brick some posters on here not a clue. 😀
What part is ridiculous BTW?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 22, 2018, 09:15:03 PM
While Clones was a low point there is still a duty to support the 15 men who line out in Red and Black. At this stage of the season I actually think Burns has picked the right team; Flanagan a useful man on the bench as he has had a good year and wasn't alone in not playing well against Donegal. I expect Shane to make better use of the kick outs as gaining possession will be critical if we are to have any chance. Our biggest chance is that Mattie McGleenan is even less able than our management to read a game. Maybe Arlene will go to our game to get to know the rules before Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 22, 2018, 09:56:08 PM
Dubh you may get your bag packed for the men in the whites coming, because your either clueless or deranged if you think Eamonn Burns has finally got his team selection right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 22, 2018, 10:27:09 PM
So enlighten us as to the alternatives from the squad available to him ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 23, 2018, 05:54:28 AM
There's the problem Dubh , there have been guys selected onto the panel and never given a chance, putting subs on with 5 mins to go is insulting to those players, there are equal if not better payers in league football, we will see in the club championship who these are, Eamonn s first task should have been to invite them into the panel, he's made 3 changes from team that played against Donegal, he could have made a few more, big Turley is sadly past his best , the modern running game doesn't suit him, Flynn or McKibben for him,if he is fit start Ryan Johnston around the middle of the field, let's see a Down team run at pace with the ball, go toe to toe with Cavan , no blanket defences , as always we have to keep the faith, see several interesting results, Castlewellan revival continues, Loughinisland still unbeaten ( are there any players there ), Saul win again as do Teccounaght, not long to championship .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 23, 2018, 09:25:12 PM
That was a tough one to take, should never have lost that game, 4 up with 15 to go and a man down but looking comfortable enough then the keeper drops one into the net, still had a chance to equalise but O Hagan went for goal and the keeper saves it, 2 needless black cards for Harrison and Mc Kernan and a red for Johnson, the 2 replacements did well namely Madine and McKibben but going a man down we cudnt push up on their kickout, something which worked well in the first half, injuries to Mooney and Donnelly didn't help us either, we didn't get a rub of the green today at all, can't fault the effort but that's it for another year, when's the McKenna cup start!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 23, 2018, 09:40:47 PM
What is so ridiculous about that you clown? You put players up on a pedestal and them bang average . You absolute clown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 23, 2018, 09:53:00 PM
Targetman summed it up well. Low number of supporters for Down but those of us who went got a gutsy display, no luck and wrong side of poor refereeing decisions. Contrary to Cuan's view, Burns clearly picked the right team who should have beaten a Division 1 side albeit a poor one. Shane Harrison got his kick out strategy almost perfect but made a bad mistake which keepers who are usually outfield players often make; he was planning the next move before he had the ball under control. However he has had a good season- made two mistakes which were costly but is a class act. Good to see Reid support him when the lad needed it. The FB line were super; hungry and aggressive. A bit too much so on Doherty's part as he got a straight red in the post match schemuzzle.
Halfback line super too- O'Hagan is a warrior. Mc Partland has presence and Mooney was having his best game until forced off by injury.
Midfield gave 100% , as they always do, and wore the shirt with pride. Donnelly played well until injured and Turley's mixture of brain and brawn is critical for us.
Maginn and Ryan Johnstone put in good shifts with the latter having his most effective game until the straight red. McKernan was bossing the game, scored a peach of a point but yet again got a black card- we think for slobbering. He is no use to us on the sideline and needs to think about this.
Ronan Miller did well from the frees and contributed positively, Harrison scored a great point,narrowly missed another and was leading the line superbly until a very harsh black 25 minutes in to the first half. Clearly he is being targetted by refs and ignorant hallions of full backs but will have to learn from this. Dornan did step up when Connaire went off and had some good moments, supported by Madine- a good ball winner who looks unfit. Flynn, McKibben and Poland were excellent from the bench and good to see Francis get some game time- hopefully his clubmate Hughes will join him in the squad next year, whoever is picking it. Please do not appoint Deegan.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 23, 2018, 09:58:21 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 23, 2018, 09:40:47 PM
What is so ridiculous about that you clown? You put players up on a pedestal and them bang average . You absolute clown
What's that shite all about?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 23, 2018, 10:02:06 PM
DD I never read the biggest load of crap than what I read in your piece.In your eyes everyone was brilliant. Holy fuk going by that Dublin May watch out.
Go back on my messages and I have said Burns has been the worst ever appointed manager
Deegan's anyone??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 23, 2018, 10:08:01 PM
Smurfy, were you at the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 23, 2018, 10:20:37 PM
we may have been but unlucky this evening but the fact remains its been another terrible year in a long line of terrible years for Down football. its now going to be at least a 1/4 of a century since we won an ulster title. do you trust the men in charge to put things right?? we need changes and not just of manager but of the people at the top table, too many of the same faces are overseeing year after year of failure, not just at senior but at all levels of Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 23, 2018, 10:23:45 PM
going by dubh driochts report though everything is rosy.  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 23, 2018, 10:36:28 PM
Sheedy, you usually have a bit more sense than that halfwit Smurfy but where did I say everything is rosy? Same question to you; were you at the game?
For you two lads who don't seem to understand English; the Down players on the field today gave their all. Fair play to them. It wasn't enough.
Now if you want to go back and read my posts you will see exactly what my views are about the state of Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Itchy on June 23, 2018, 10:40:21 PM
Hard luck lads. Ye def were unlucky today but also you were playing against a cavan team coached by a complete clown. What we were trying to do in that game tactically I have no idea. The goal was the killer for ye but I also thought in last 5 ye had good shouts for frees turned away. Why didn't yer man fist over a point instead of going for goal. It would've been extra time and back to 15 a side and ye would've won I'm sure. Cavan going nowhere this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 23, 2018, 10:48:26 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 23, 2018, 10:36:28 PM
Sheedy, you usually have a bit more sense than that halfwit Smurfy but where did I say everything is rosy? Same question to you; were you at the game?
For you two lads who don't seem to understand English; the Down players on the field today gave their all. Fair play to them. It wasn't enough.
Now if you want to go back and read my posts you will see exactly what my views are about the state of Down football.
apologies, just seemed from your post that our team played that well there was no way we could have lost. we played better just not as well as your report stated. the players gave their all but at the end of the day we lost to a poor cavan team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 23, 2018, 10:53:45 PM
Show me a good loser and I will show you a loser, that sums up the reign of Eamonn Burns, may the lord above help us if he gets an extension or Deegan gets the post, if we haven't got the players now we need a management put in place that will plan for the future and our clubs have to encourage their better players to play for their county and as supporters we have to have patience , other choice is more of the same, the odd good league result , we should get a few in div 3 , a false hope come championship and another walloping in the first round proper, time for a radical reason think on how to make it better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 23, 2018, 10:53:57 PM
Shut up DD. Down are and where horrendous this year.
Who is to blame ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 23, 2018, 11:22:32 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 23, 2018, 10:53:57 PM
Shut up DD. Down are and where horrendous this year.
Who is to blame ?

Put down the bottle and step away from the keyboard until tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 23, 2018, 11:28:06 PM
Ogra do you disagree with what I am saying?
Read my posts from18 months ago
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 23, 2018, 11:31:31 PM
Today was a strange game which we should have won pulling up but a defeat may curiously enough be the best result for us . If we had got through to R3, there is a fair chance we would have come up against much stronger opposition and taken a hammering. Instead, we went down fighting in every sense, put back some pride in our jersey and can regroup for D3 next year.

We realistically have a limited squad, we lost probably our five best players to either cards or injuries in the course of the match with O'Hare missing out through injury from the start but Burns produced arguably his best coaching performance for Down, got his tactics right and used his subs effectively. He may well decide it is time to move on and if so he will leave with dignity and the respect of Down supporters.

Shane Harrison was almost entirely excellent, making a  huge improvement on our kickouts, but  like all keepers will unfortunately be remembered for his sole error. The rest of our defence were decent, with O'Hagan the star man all through and fine shifts from McAleenan and until an apparent hamstring Mooney.

Turley and Donnelly competed well at midfield and it was a pity that our discipline let us down further up the field. Connaire Harrison's black card was extremely harsh on a day when the referee let many other offences go, but McKernan is experienced enough not to talk back to officials and Johnston seemed to strike out at a time when we were in almost total control.

The dust up at the end did not look good but showed that our players cared and were prepared to stand up for each other. Hopefully there will be no further repercussions and the coverage on the Sunday Game tomorrow will be brief.

We are in D3 next season because we deserve to be there. It is up to us what we do about it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 24, 2018, 07:04:46 AM
It's up to us what we do about it, quote with regards to our forthcoming stay in div 3, personally I think we can get promoted at first time of asking but we need right panel of players, no more histrionics from players good enough to represent their county, no more inward thinking from clubs who would rather have their players save themselves for club championship campaigns, it's going to take a new management team with balls and the skill of seasoned diplomat , any nominations because Eamonn has tried and failed (again), Deegan is not the answer , so who's up for the job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on June 24, 2018, 08:31:39 AM
Bad way to end to an awful year for Down football, had that game in the bag and threw it away.  Battled back rightly after a bad 1st 20mins, took the likes of Benny McArdle, Turley, Maginn and the excellent Darren O Hagan to drag Down back into it when a few of the others were going through the motions. Harrison and McKernan should have known better but Ryan Johnson red card was ridiculous, he could have seen red a few times before it, and Down were well on top at that point, dont think he was playing particular well, but at that stage when we needed to play keep ball, hes exactly what we needed then he goes and does that, give Cavan all the momentum.. crazy from him. Doran, Madine and Miller battled rightly, felt sorry for S Harrison to be honest, had done well up to that, clanger, probably should have had a hat on playing into the Sun. (Basic stuff) Id say thats the end for a good few of those boys, hard to know what next year will bring hopefully tho we will get the right man in charge, getting out of Div3 is a must tho.

O Hanlon
O Hagan x 2
Mooney
Donnelly
Mc Parland
Milller x 2
C Harrison

There is the basis of a decent team there, if they can add  a few to that and get a few of the players who havent made themselves available for whatever reason involved then it would be a decent start atleast. Easier said that done tho, personally id like to see wee James take the job on again but hard to know if he'd be interested.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 24, 2018, 08:56:48 AM
Discipline or lack of it is also a sign of a managers capabilities.Kevin mcKiernan is a very good footballer but how many games does he get black carded in. Most of them and he is an experienced footballer.Down seem to have discipline issues but Gaelic football in general has an overall problem.
Loosing narrowly to Cavan shows our level a once great county who Down have been doing their.best to emulate this last 25 years with year after year of mediocre performances bar 2010. I think most of us believe with the best 15 in the county on the pitch we still arent up to the standard of the top 3 but we could compete for Ulster. 
Wbo takes over? I dont know. Prob more relevant as to who wants it in the current climate. Rest assured it will be an underwhelmimg appointment . Yeaterday was the first time i felt little disappointment in defeat i go to the majority of games but travelling from Dublin to Enniskillen wasnt ever on the radar. Ive had enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 24, 2018, 09:32:28 AM
Down GAA need to make a decision this week on whether Eamon stays or goes. If he stays come out and say it and if not let's start looking for a new manager. The club championships start in 5 weeks time and would need to ideally be in place then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 24, 2018, 07:21:18 PM
So the management will make a decision in the next few weeks
Meath 2 out
Roscommon 2
Louth 3 out
Monaghan 1
Armagh 3
Tipperary second string 2 out
Antrim 4 out
Derry 4 out

In 3 years that is the only teams that we have beaten
32 matches in league and championship and only 8 wins and the teams we have beat are all terrible with the exception of Roscommon and possibly Monaghan
Time for change
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on June 24, 2018, 10:04:32 PM
Christ McKernan deserved what he got. Embarrassing. What an absolute slabber. "you just wana see yourself on the Sunday game" to the linesman.. Well Kevin, no thanks to you, we won't be seeing you either
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 24, 2018, 10:09:41 PM
Quote from: our_fella on June 24, 2018, 10:04:32 PM
Christ McKernan deserved what he got. Embarrassing. What an absolute slabber. "you just wana see yourself on the Sunday game" to the linesman.. Well Kevin, no thanks to you, we won't be seeing you either
Whilst I don't agree with McKernan's slobbering, I don't think I've ever seen a black card for it before. So he can consider himself very unlucky.

That said, I'd be happy to see 10 men getting a black card in one match if it helps put an end to the verbal abuse referees have to put up with.

—-


I've seen worse brawls in nursery school playgrounds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on June 24, 2018, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 24, 2018, 10:09:41 PM
Quote from: our_fella on June 24, 2018, 10:04:32 PM
Christ McKernan deserved what he got. Embarrassing. What an absolute slabber. "you just wana see yourself on the Sunday game" to the linesman.. Well Kevin, no thanks to you, we won't be seeing you either
Whilst I don't agree with McKernan's slobbering, I don't think I've ever seen a black card for it before. So he can consider himself very unlucky.

That said, I'd be happy to see 10 men getting a black card in one match if it helps put an end to the verbal abuse referees have to put up with.

—-


I've seen worse brawls in nursery school playgrounds.

There's a difference between say passing a bad remark to a referee, but goading and intimidating an offical for 15/20secs he deserved it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Itchy on June 24, 2018, 10:42:17 PM
So it seems ref got black cards right. Very poor discipline from those players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oakleafgael on June 24, 2018, 10:51:21 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 24, 2018, 10:42:17 PM
So it seems ref got black cards right. Very poor discipline from those players.

It was alright. Worse still by McKiernan and McVeety when you consider the game was over and they had won.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on June 24, 2018, 11:08:53 PM
Just saw the brief highlights on Sunday Game; Brought it home how much we blew that game. Against a division1 team (albeit a poor one), we had two of our marquee players black carded, even then went 4 pts ahead, then another red card, and then a catastrophic mistake, + still were only beaten by 2 pts.
I thought we had little chance in this game, but it does show that there is talent + spirit there, maybe not to win an All-ireland, but at least to make it back to div 1 in 2 yrs.
Both black cards were deserved by the way, let their own team down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Itchy on June 24, 2018, 11:16:49 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 24, 2018, 10:51:21 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 24, 2018, 10:42:17 PM
So it seems ref got black cards right. Very poor discipline from those players.

It was alright. Worse still by McKiernan and McVeety when you consider the game was over and they had won.

Still though it was hard to pick out anyone actually striking.  I rewound a few times, couldn't see mcvitty or moynagh punching. It was all very stupid from cavan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Westside on June 24, 2018, 11:30:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 24, 2018, 11:16:49 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on June 24, 2018, 10:51:21 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 24, 2018, 10:42:17 PM
So it seems ref got black cards right. Very poor discipline from those players.

It was alright. Worse still by McKiernan and McVeety when you consider the game was over and they had won.

Still though it was hard to pick out anyone actually striking.  I rewound a few times, couldn't see mcvitty or moynagh punching. It was all very stupid from cavan

Caolan Mooney stoking the fires with his tweet. He should have better sense than taking to Twitter with a photo like that. Is he trying to gain notoriety? What was he even doing in the middle of it wasn't he subbed midway through the second half? Either way, I think the GAA will need to be seen to throw out bans here and both teams will suffer.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on June 24, 2018, 11:45:55 PM
What did he tweet? Seems to have been taken down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 25, 2018, 12:54:38 PM
Frank Dawson has a good track record and could add something to the new set up. Could him and Poacher and Mulholland work??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 25, 2018, 01:54:48 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 25, 2018, 12:54:38 PM
Frank Dawson has a good track record and could add something to the new set up. Could him and Poacher and Mulholland work??
What new set up? Also I have seen Dawson at quite a few games this year so he'll have a good idea which players are performing well and which ones aren't.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 25, 2018, 02:20:23 PM
Intercounty experience as well and I think him and Poacher are friendly. It would be an exciting team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on June 25, 2018, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 25, 2018, 02:20:23 PM
Intercounty experience as well and I think him and Poacher are friendly. It would be an exciting team

WUM. How did the mercenary do at Ballymartin?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 25, 2018, 02:43:29 PM
He was the last man to take an Ulster senior title to this county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on June 25, 2018, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 25, 2018, 02:43:29 PM
He was the last man to take an Ulster senior title to this county

ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... How did he do with Bryansford? How did he do with Antrim?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on June 25, 2018, 02:54:11 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 25, 2018, 02:43:29 PM
He was the last man to take an Ulster senior title to this county

In hurling he did it, not sure about the football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 25, 2018, 03:13:01 PM
He has won 3 more SFC than Poacher and Mulholland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on June 25, 2018, 03:42:53 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 25, 2018, 03:13:01 PM
He has won 3 more SFC than Poacher and Mulholland

So doing nothing since 2011 puts him top of list?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 25, 2018, 03:52:01 PM
Well if its doing nothing since 2011 or doing nothing at all then i think hes sorta out in front in that regard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on June 25, 2018, 04:06:51 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 25, 2018, 03:52:01 PM
Well if its doing nothing since 2011 or doing nothing at all then i think hes sorta out in front in that regard.

How'd he get on in Bellaghy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 25, 2018, 05:43:28 PM
Dawson Poacher and Mulholland could be a dream team. Would the county board be bold enough to go for it? Can't see it happening as Deegan has the job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 25, 2018, 06:01:04 PM
Im not living in the county anymore but what managerial or coaching ability does Mulholland have? All i know is a pretty dismal record with the  minors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 25, 2018, 06:17:29 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 25, 2018, 06:01:04 PM
Im not living in the county anymore but what managerial or coaching ability does Mulholland have? All i know is a pretty dismal record with the  minors.

Lately with rostrever. Took them to Ulster intermediate final. Not sure what's he's at now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 25, 2018, 06:20:11 PM
Intermediate championship with Rostrevor. But they are flying in division 1 this year since he left.
Dawson the manager
Poacher trainer
Mulholland selector
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 25, 2018, 07:06:08 PM
seriously lads, dawson?? personally wouldnt have him, i'd rather have any of wee james, paddy o'rourke or shorty to name a few as manager before dawson. i'd also try to have some of sean ward, mickey walsh or benny coulter involved in some capacity. whoever is in charge needs to try to get the best players wanting to play for down again. 
anyway all this at the minute is pure speculation because eamonn burns is still the manager and i wouldnt be one bit surprised if he is still in charge again next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 25, 2018, 08:21:16 PM
Some of you boys need a reality check. Dawson has been roaded from his last two jobs in Down😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 25, 2018, 10:10:25 PM
Yet there's quite a few in burren would gladly take him back in the morning.
On another note ye can stick your dream teams up your arse. Why do people believe that lumping fellas in with each other as part of a management team works. It just doesn't.

Also should the men who guided other clubs to intermediate success also be thrown into the hat. I doubt it.
Good (or in alot of cases, overrated) players do not  necessarily make good managers or coaches.its a speedbump that the decision makers in our county keep seeming to hit every time they appoint management teams.

I'd love to see in black and white the managerial cvs of alot of the names being bandied about ie experience of managing adult football teams either at top tier clubs or representative level. Success in the role would be an added bonus.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 25, 2018, 10:13:24 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 25, 2018, 04:06:51 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on June 25, 2018, 03:52:01 PM
Well if its doing nothing since 2011 or doing nothing at all then i think hes sorta out in front in that regard.

How'd he get on in Bellaghy?

The same way wee James got on in stints at St Galls and Ballinderry I'd guess. maybe I'm wrong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 25, 2018, 10:29:37 PM
Yes brick that would be the same Wee James who manages St Galls to a championship. You clown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 25, 2018, 10:51:57 PM
As I alluded to.. maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 26, 2018, 04:18:00 PM
Quote from: Targetman on June 23, 2018, 09:25:12 PM
That was a tough one to take, should never have lost that game, 4 up with 15 to go and a man down but looking comfortable enough then the keeper drops one into the net, still had a chance to equalise but O Hagan went for goal and the keeper saves it, 2 needless black cards for Harrison and Mc Kernan and a red for Johnson, the 2 replacements did well namely Madine and McKibben but going a man down we cudnt push up on their kickout, something which worked well in the first half, injuries to Mooney and Donnelly didn't help us either, we didn't get a rub of the green today at all, can't fault the effort but that's it for another year, when's the McKenna cup start!!!

I said we would win and it would be close, but I didn't legislate for the manner of how Down threw this away. A team that cant keep its best players on the pitch (injuries aside) undo the work of everyone else who really did bust a gut to try win this. Discipline is key here and this is one of the main areas we fall down big time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JohnStones on June 26, 2018, 04:42:22 PM
Long time watcher in the shadows and making my first post so go easy on me  :)

What about Micky Moran as Manager, with Poacher, Mulholland, Walsh, Ward as part of backroom if that mix could work together? I would do whatever it took to get Moran in - great style of play, great CV. Maybe would like to wake a sleeping giant as a challenge!?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 26, 2018, 05:38:59 PM
I think your proposed management team isnt big enough.
Mickey Moran would be some boy to get mixed up in that orgy of egos youve named.

Down are not a sleeping Giant. That notion in itself smacks of arrogance that simply cant be justified. The county has fallen way behind other more progressive counties because we havent embraced change properly and only a sprinkling of quality gets us the odd win each year it somewhat papers over the cracks that exist.

Until the county gets overhauled at an administrative level from top to bottom with new faces things will never change. Our domestic senior championship is a walkover every year for 1 team due to the inability of the rest to match up, whilst our schools are not producing the same talent nor winning on a regular basis anymore. Management teams at representative level are effectively just a jobs for the boys arena where nepotism is rife and unless you've worn the jersey you wont get considered for any meaningful role.

There are so many issues at play within the county and things that need to be in place off the field before the on-field business can be sorted. But that wont change as long as key individuals hold sway.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 26, 2018, 06:42:13 PM
Not a bad proposal. Moran manager
Poacher trainer and the other 3 selectors? Would they work together? Mulhollands name seems to be mentioned a lot around this job surely he has to be in it somewhere? Rostrevor weee going nowhere until he went to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 26, 2018, 07:19:35 PM
John Stones, are you not in Russia?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 26, 2018, 07:25:12 PM
Brick , your post smacks of a big ego with a lot of arrogance, I believe like you that fundamental change is required at the county executive, for too long we have been tumbling from one disaster to another culminating in div 3 league football and a swift exit from the championship, several quality names have been suggested and you have dismissed them without offering a viable alternative, as a county we have called upon everyone bar the kit man from the 90 s to lead us and bar 2010 it has not worked.
I'm reading about sleeping giants, why we are failing but when someone offers a proven candidate like Micky Moran , what happens, the suggestion is rubbished, at least someone is thinking outside the box, we need a leader with a proven track record, would be a nice change from ex footballers from successful down teams with no record of success at any managerial level, check Eamonn Burns or ConorDeegans record, anyone who takes the post of Down manager must have a record of success , Micky Moran fits the bill but don't saddle him with a back room team of wanna be s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 26, 2018, 09:17:17 PM
Caun what do you call a backroom team of wannabes?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 26, 2018, 09:30:06 PM
I would think that any potential county manager worth his salt, would only take the job, on the pre condition that he gets to appoint his own backroom team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 26, 2018, 09:41:50 PM
And would the above mentioned not be top of the list ardtole?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 26, 2018, 09:57:09 PM
They might well be. I just got the impression some posters were putting their dream coaching/management structure in place, and I don't think it's realistic.

When Tony McEntee was being touted about before, I remember his clubmate Gareth Oneill was mentioned as one of his selectors. I'd imagine a new manager would want someone alongside them who they have worked with before and have established a degree of trust.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on June 26, 2018, 11:38:41 PM
Not trying to provoke, bit have any of the posters managed a Senior Team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 26, 2018, 11:51:08 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on June 26, 2018, 11:38:41 PM
Not trying to provoke, bit have any of the posters managed a Senior Team?

Is that a prerequisite to passing comment on a gaa discussion board?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 27, 2018, 10:07:53 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on June 26, 2018, 11:51:08 PM
Quote from: Leonardo on June 26, 2018, 11:38:41 PM
Not trying to provoke, bit have any of the posters managed a Senior Team?

Is that a prerequisite to passing comment on a gaa discussion board?

I can spot a mile off those who haven't managed a senior team  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 27, 2018, 10:12:21 AM
Quote from: JohnStones on June 26, 2018, 04:42:22 PM
Long time watcher in the shadows and making my first post so go easy on me  :)

What about Micky Moran as Manager, with Poacher, Mulholland, Walsh, Ward as part of backroom if that mix could work together? I would do whatever it took to get Moran in - great style of play, great CV. Maybe would like to wake a sleeping giant as a challenge!?

good shout on moran, he will need his own backroom team

when McIver and tally were in with James og it worked well and they should have won an all Ireland imo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 27, 2018, 10:45:55 AM
QuoteI think your proposed management team isnt big enough.
Mickey Moran would be some boy to get mixed up in that orgy of egos youve named.

Down are not a sleeping Giant. That notion in itself smacks of arrogance that simply cant be justified. The county has fallen way behind other more progressive counties because we havent embraced change properly and only a sprinkling of quality gets us the odd win each year it somewhat papers over the cracks that exist.

Until the county gets overhauled at an administrative level from top to bottom with new faces things will never change. Our domestic senior championship is a walkover every year for 1 team due to the inability of the rest to match up, whilst our schools are not producing the same talent nor winning on a regular basis anymore. Management teams at representative level are effectively just a jobs for the boys arena where nepotism is rife and unless you've worn the jersey you wont get considered for any meaningful role.

There are so many issues at play within the county and things that need to be in place off the field before the on-field business can be sorted. But that wont change as long as key individuals hold sway.

Nail on the head there Brick.  Sums up exactly where we are.  Depressing as f**k.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 27, 2018, 11:32:50 AM
The clubs in Down have a huge responsibility in all this too. More now than ever there is a huge onus on them to have a sound underage structure in place; to provide a healthy competitive environment for kids to flourish. But this takes a serious volunteer effort not to mention individuals with knowledge and experience with the proper coaching credentials.

For what its worth i think that finances should be directed into the local clubs and primary schools to ensure coaches are upskilled and kids are catered for with the best resources possible. We couldnt supply enough coaches and plough enough finances into this area if you ask me. But then again we all know that finance is a huge area of concern within the county.

Some of the names being bandied about are totally questionable. Some of them have little experience of managing senior club football teams, never mind experienced success. Others have already been involved before with Down teams and have had a shot and have either not succeeded or have left the stage after giving everything they could. Then we have those who have shown to lack the personal qualities required, displaying serious narcissism along the way.

Ive no doubt Eamon Burns is a decent man and tried his best but if we are honest he should never have been appointed as the manager in the first place. Ive no doubt he will do the decent thing and walk away now but id be shocked if there are a line of clubs looking for his service; as it was before he took on the Down job.

The decision makers have a serious task ahead but with their track record in recent years i fear it will be an underwhelming appointment yet again; one that smells of taking the easy/cheap option, maybe another who will acquiesce to them and will be deemed a 'safe pair of hands', probably another hero of the 90s. I dont mean that as an insult on that group but with every failed attempt to shoehorn some of our counties most beloved into managerial roles it personally erodes the on-field memories i would have had of them as players.

No manager worth his salt or with a shred of integrity would tolerate the county secretary or any other committee member for that matter running amok on sidelines and inside the wire, not to mention on the field of play whether its near teams warming up or at team huddles.

Go after Malachy O'Rourke when Monaghan season finishes and give him everything he requires to do the job over a period of 4 years.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 27, 2018, 12:00:24 PM
Give brick the job. In fairness you correct with Malachy O Rourke Down should go after him and soon. Will they get him though? What names that have been mentioned have already failed with Down brick?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 27, 2018, 01:10:50 PM
Open question, regardless of past Down involvement in a playing capacity and irrespective of age and current occupation what do the posters/readers on this forum would make for a decent appointment with a realistic chance of success, for what it's worth , here's what I think should be on the c v

1. Previous senior team management experience with a degree of success
2.A good understanding of the underage structures within Down football, the development squads and schools teams.
3.A hefty set of swingers because he has to not only get the best players out, he has to contend with club managers and secretaries who are self centred at best and then the county executive who up to now have caused this county to fail miserably on and of the field and to compound matters he either tells Sean og to stay at home or get him a tracksuit as he is ire on the pitch than some of the players.
4. Lastly but not least he must be able to provide success on a shoe string budget because we have little or know money to splash about.
That's leaves me to think it has to be an inward appointment, I know of several clubs in Down who have appointment from within and aren't doing too bad.
Suggestions on a postcard , please send to ———————-
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on June 27, 2018, 03:36:11 PM
Rather than talking about the negativity surrounding our county teams, can we look at the positivity  Of youth and discuss how the U16 and Minor leagues are shaping up, can't be too many games left I presume?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 27, 2018, 06:20:16 PM
Its a discussion board and the main topic of discussion is the depressing state of our county teams!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 27, 2018, 08:46:50 PM
Quote from: Targetman on June 27, 2018, 06:20:16 PM
Its a discussion board and the main topic of discussion is the depressing state of our county teams!!
Its in such a depressing state im too depressed to talk about  it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 27, 2018, 09:04:36 PM
Good interview with steven poacher in the newry reporter over the last 2 weeks. No matter what anyone thinks of him, you cant deny he is a real passionate and committed gaa man and speaks a lot of sense regarding the state of football in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on June 27, 2018, 09:43:36 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 27, 2018, 09:04:36 PM
Good interview with steven poacher in the newry reporter over the last 2 weeks. No matter what anyone thinks of him, you cant deny he is a real passionate and committed gaa man and speaks a lot of sense regarding the state of football in the county.

Great interview, something we need to see more of from the local press. Poacher comes across very well and you can't certainly can't deny that he is a passionate GAA man, but he just wouldn't fit with the current administration, but we've been down this road too many times before. "You can't live off history and tradition forever."  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 28, 2018, 07:28:13 AM
Any one up for county secretary post, certainly need a replacement , out with the old in with the new, you would have to get the hilltown mafia on your side, then onward to county convention, has to happen sooner than later, c v to compete with current holder of post would need to include , hardworking but clueless, interfering attitude with little football experience and a little experience in business might also help.
So a new secretary , county executive and senior manger , not much to ask for , I wish it was xmas or carlsberg dabbled in such things.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on June 28, 2018, 10:11:07 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on June 28, 2018, 07:28:13 AM
Any one up for county secretary post, certainly need a replacement , out with the old in with the new, you would have to get the hilltown mafia on your side, then onward to county convention, has to happen sooner than later, c v to compete with current holder of post would need to include , hardworking but clueless, interfering attitude with little football experience and a little experience in business might also help.
So a new secretary , county executive and senior manger , not much to ask for , I wish it was xmas or carlsberg dabbled in such things.

I keep telling you, there's no one in Down can move that man. He's appointed by the Ulster Council and can only be removed by them and with all the implications of redundancy, pensions and so forth he'll move on in a time of his own choosing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 28, 2018, 03:51:11 PM
If enough club reps voted to oust the current secretary , he has to go, Armagh did something similar a few years ago when it was thought a full time secretary was not needed, I would to check but something tells me the payment of the county secretary's considerable salary is part funded if not fully funded by our county, if that's the case it's inconceivable that a secretary could carry on without the backing of the clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 28, 2018, 04:56:33 PM
Only the big clubs getting big Feile games, enjoy your Feile festivities. Feel free to call to Burren on Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 28, 2018, 05:41:35 PM
Clownjim enjoy parading them around the Point tonight. Nothing good to see in Burren?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 29, 2018, 12:01:01 AM
The two Cavan players who got red cards after the final whistle in Brewster Park have been cleared on appeal, according to RTE, but there was no mention of Doherty. As things stand, he would presumably miss our first championship match next year. Perhaps something will be announced in the morning.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 29, 2018, 11:04:41 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 28, 2018, 05:41:35 PM
Clownjim enjoy parading them around the Point tonight. Nothing good to see in Burren?

Was a great night. Had to show CPN how to do it

Anyway at the blueshirt game last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 29, 2018, 12:37:58 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 29, 2018, 11:04:41 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 28, 2018, 05:41:35 PM
Clownjim enjoy parading them around the Point tonight. Nothing good to see in Burren?

Was a great night. Had to show CPN how to do it

Anyway at the blueshirt game last night?
I was at it. CPN made hard work of it but fully deserved to win. Missed a penalty and 4/5 scoreable frees in the first half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 29, 2018, 02:56:36 PM
CPN seem to have hit a bit of a flat spot the last couple of weeks and would need to re-discover their early season form or it could be another short championship run this year. Good win for the Bridge last night, could be the team to end Kilcoo's monopoly on the championship this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on June 29, 2018, 03:13:00 PM
Quote from: elk on June 29, 2018, 02:56:36 PM
CPN seem to have hit a bit of a flat spot the last couple of weeks and would need to re-discover their early season form or it could be another short championship run this year. Good win for the Bridge last night, could be the team to end Kilcoo's monopoly on the championship this year.

:o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 30, 2018, 06:29:54 PM
With our injuries I can't see us being a threat, Clonduff are dangerous  on their day and be interesting to see the Bridge will a full team as they seem to be taking a slow approach to the league. But I can't see the Magpies losing sleep over any team tbh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 02, 2018, 01:55:01 PM
Great feedback from the Feile, a fantastic show put on by my own club especially yesterday, I heard the Bridge and Hilltown were brilliant as well hosting so many games , teams and people over the weekend.

Good to see the smaller clubs pulling out the stops as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on July 02, 2018, 02:45:34 PM
Feile in Rostrevor was a wonderful occasion; well done to the organisers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on July 02, 2018, 04:34:39 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 02, 2018, 01:55:01 PM
Great feedback from the Feile, a fantastic show put on by my own club especially yesterday, I heard the Bridge and Hilltown were brilliant as well hosting so many games , teams and people over the weekend.

Good to see the smaller clubs pulling out the stops as well

Aye it was a totally South Down thing! Get over yourselves !  FFS Bredagh even got the Orange Order in on the act.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 02, 2018, 07:09:23 PM
3 venues in Down chosen for finals day
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on July 03, 2018, 10:02:27 PM
Eamon Burns has stepped down as manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 03, 2018, 10:59:48 PM
One of his better decisions, so begins the process of appointing his successor!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 03, 2018, 11:04:47 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on July 03, 2018, 10:02:27 PM
Eamon Burns has stepped down as manager.
a legend for Down as a player, just didn't work out for him as a manager. Right decision to stand down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 03, 2018, 11:25:27 PM
Eamonn took on a job that no one else wanted and deserves full credit for getting us into an Ulster final against all the odds. Three years is a long time to be in charge of a squad which we know has limitations in key areas, and, after an extremely unfortunate defeat to Cavan, he has picked the right time to step down. His successor should ideally be in place from an early stage in our club championship season, and will have the chance to rebuild in D3 at a period when expectations are modest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 03, 2018, 11:27:37 PM
Conor Deegan has already been told the job is his lads. I would be surprised if Shane Mulholland is not in his backroom team along with his under 20 management team.
Who will take the under 20 roll now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 04, 2018, 06:24:56 AM
Nooooooooooo, loud enough ! Definitely no
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 04, 2018, 08:01:42 AM
Poacher and Mullholland, the game has moved on from 91/94 its time the county did too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 04, 2018, 08:09:04 AM
I told you on here 3 weeks ago Deegan and his team were told they had the job if he wanted it. Add in a high profile name like Shane Mulholland to keep the Down public happy.
It would be the most underwhelming appointment since well since eamon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on July 04, 2018, 08:24:46 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 04, 2018, 08:09:04 AM
I told you on here 3 weeks ago Deegan and his team were told they had the job if he wanted it. Add in a high profile name like Shane Mulholland to keep the Down public happy.
It would be the most underwhelming appointment since well since eamon
That's bull shit. No one has been told nor pcan be told. It is the county board not the county exec who ratify any proposed appointment. None of Deegan , Mulholland nor Poacher would have popular support as have achieved little or nothing at right level. Like Mourne rover says it would be good to get someone in pre championship  but unfortunately the cigs of bureaucracy don't work that quick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 04, 2018, 08:30:55 AM
It is the county executive who will ultimately appoint the manager. Like has been the case this 20 odd years and more. They went after Eamon and got him and now Conor Deegan has been approached
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 04, 2018, 10:11:03 AM
Of course the county executive will pick the manager, would a club committee appoint other people to pick a management??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 04, 2018, 10:27:21 AM
Are people in Down that naive to believe that conor Deegan is the man for the job, he achieved nothing in Dublin despite have unlimited resources, success in Down u20 s -zero, club management in Down zero success, and people believe he's the right appointment, lads get real , nothing against the big lad but it's a disaster in the making, we better have deep pockets because if he gets the job we are going to need them!'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 04, 2018, 10:43:41 AM
The same applies to Poacher, has won nothing of note on his career bar a few tea cups at school level. But he is good with limited teams and he would get us out of division 3 and make us competitive.

Is Jim McGuiness out of the question??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 04, 2018, 10:57:54 AM
McGuiness would have no interest in the Down job, one we couldn't afford him and two we aren't at that level to attract those type of elite level managers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 04, 2018, 11:04:38 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/declanbogue/status/1014263494676541440?s=12

Seen this on twitter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 04, 2018, 11:13:47 AM
Dont believe anything ye read or see in local print or social media.
Alot of them buddies of the Narcissist and just stir the pot to keep the craic going.
The annual Down managerial hoohaa is just entertainment for the ego-maniacs and their cheerleaders.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 04, 2018, 11:50:45 AM
Hopefully we get McGuinness so boring bogue won't have anything to write. What would he know about Down football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 04, 2018, 12:29:39 PM
Previous poster alluded to it already. If you think Jim McGuinness would touch Down job youd be deluded.
If you also think our illustrious leaders at County Board level could produce the sheckles to lure someone of McGuinness ilk to take Down then youre also mistaken. County is stone broke and its gonna be another bargain basement appointment from within to fill the void for another few seasons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 04, 2018, 12:37:40 PM
What mercenaries are available?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 04, 2018, 01:30:08 PM
From what I was told the team of Burns, Murray, Adams etc were not that easy to pay so I'd assume there is a reasonable budget to attract a decent name.

They wouldn't get McGuinness but could tempt the likes of Malachy O Rourke or Tony McEntee with the right package.

Other than that go back to wee James.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on July 04, 2018, 01:50:14 PM
Why would anyone want to manage us?

We don't have the players to meet the expectations of 90% of the county and you'd be working with a county board that is erratic at best.

A poison chalice if ever there was one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 04, 2018, 01:56:23 PM
McGuinness is looking for a job in soccer. He has no interest in getting a gaelic football role. He is supposed to have said as much when he returned from China.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 04, 2018, 02:25:48 PM
I've said it many of times, hands up who wants to be in the county board. If you have a club delegate who is able to or wants to go forward then nominate them in November. It's not hard to seek election in the GAA, so stop the crap and tell me people who want into the executive. Just one person
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDun2025 on July 04, 2018, 03:16:37 PM
With a glance over the past 25 years of appointing a Senior Team management its fairly grim reading so  should we set our expectations very low. NO!  Lets Get it Right

It would seem that the primary criteria for any candidate to take on the senior management role would be
1. that you have played for Down.
2. that you hold an All Ireland Medal.

There is no doubt to the passion and commitment that these men have brought the position. Unfortunately all have been lacking in one or two of the key skills need  do this job.
Skills like Man Management, Knowledge of the modern game, Tactical Astuteness, a comprehensive understanding of other inter-county systems of play other desirable traits Successful experience in Club Management in Down or elsewhere and experience in another Successful Senior County Management setup.

(Wee James was probable the only one to realise he didn't possess all the Knowledge and Skills and hence brought Brian McIvor in as his right hand man, many players from the 2010 team have been vocal about his experience and influence in 2010)

To Manage an Inter county Team is without doubt a very challenging Job in current times. I would put it somewhere on a par with running a small business. Would any one in their right mind appoint someone to run the business who jus worked there for a few years and had one or two years every so often?

For Me Criteria needed for this position.
1 Strong Man Management Skills
2 Strong Coaching pedigree.
3 A Proven track record at Club Level ( 10 Years experience Plus at least 2 County Championships)
4 3+ Years of Management at Senior County Level

Hopefully we can get some one in place who can stabilise us and move us back to Div 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 04, 2018, 03:33:05 PM
Would Mickey Donnelly be a candidate?? He has won county championships, Hogan cup and Now u20s Ulster. He definitely has potential and seems to be a winner.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 04, 2018, 08:05:05 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 27, 2015, 11:41:46 AM
Eamon Burns. If it happens, although I would wish him all the success in the world, it would have to rank up there with the oddest appointments in GAA history.

I mean what is the CV required for a county football manager's job?

Most counties would appear to follow a logical route, which involves shortlisting people with a combination of two or more of:

a) clearly overachieving with a club team.
b) winning senior club championships.
c) getting involved then enjoying some success at a representative level (county minor or under-21, or Sigerson).
d) a strong background in coaching or physical training.
e) recently showing the leadership in county colours that earmarks them as a born winner.

In Down, the criteria would appear to begin with:

i) did you play in 1991 or 1994?
ii) do you know what the Down Way is?

Then, anything from criteria A-E above, well it's something of a bonus.

- - -

Don't get me wrong. It's difficult to find candidates in Down football, Let alone outstanding candidates. We've long bemoaned the absence of a genuine centre half-back or a full-back in our county set-up; which in itself suggests a lack of leaders. Our SFC has been monopolised for over a decade by a couple of men who for some reason, don't fit the pattern. Our juvenile structures are a mess, so a succession of minor and under-21 managers have found it tough going. QUB and the Poly appear to be stuggling to keep up with their cousins in Dublin and Cork.

So the default stance is to look back a generation or two for answers.

But here's the thing, the class of 91 and 94 have spent most of the past two decades passing around the better club jobs in Down football among themselves. Their combined success rate now is roughly the same as it was when they started out.

Using the criteria above, Wee James was by some distance the best of them, and this was proven out in how he performed as Down manager. It was no coincidence.

Unless we're going back for McCartan, It's time to stop drawing from this well.

The modern county player is asked to put in an extraordinary amount of effort to play the game. As such they fundamentally require a belief in the man who is overseeing the ship. They need to believe that he will bring the 2% that makes all the difference. If not his ship will sink: to which the strikes and fallouts in Mayo and Galway are testament.

Remember that most of our county players have never seen any of the 91-94 team actually kick a ball. Much as it might seem heinous to some people in our county, I imagine that being good at foootall once is not actually going to convince too many modern players that the 2% is coming.

The ironic thing is we actually had a manger en situ just a few months ago who actually had that impact.

985 days on. I'm not sure I can deacribe today's situation any differently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on July 04, 2018, 08:30:47 PM
Quote from: AnDun2025 on July 04, 2018, 03:16:37 PM
With a glance over the past 25 years of appointing a Senior Team management its fairly grim reading so  should we set our expectations very low. NO!  Lets Get it Right

For Me Criteria needed for this position.
1 Strong Man Management Skills
2 Strong Coaching pedigree.
3 A Proven track record at Club Level ( 10 Years experience Plus at least 2 County Championships)
4 3+ Years of Management at Senior County Level


We had one of those last time round... even got US promoted to Division 1.

Then the board inexplicably got rid of him after 2 marginal defeats.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JohnStones on July 05, 2018, 12:02:33 AM
Ok I will widen the list coz it will be one of these people!

Micky Donnelly is a great call but I think James ot Deegan has it already.

1. James McCartan
2. Micky Moran
3. Jim McCorry
4. Banty McEneaney
5. Jim McGuinness
6. Conor Deegan
7. Shane Mulholland
8. Barney McAleenan
9. Adrian McGuckian
10. Aidan O'Rourke
11. Cathal O'Rourke
12. Paul McIvor
13. Greg McCartan
14. Paddy Tally
15. Tony McEntee
16. John McEntee
17. Pete McGrath
18. Paddy O'Rourke
19. DJ Kane
20. Micky Donnelly
—————-

1. Stephen Poacher
2. Benny Coulter
3. Niall McAleenan
4. Sean Ward
5. Micky Walsh
6. Ronan Sexton
7. Danny Hughes
8. Francie Poland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 05, 2018, 10:51:40 AM
Holy sweet mother of f**ktards
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 05, 2018, 11:28:08 AM
Sure widen it out to the 3 man ticket of Sean 0'Neill, Paddy Mo and big Tom ffs #thedownway
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on July 05, 2018, 11:32:05 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on July 05, 2018, 10:51:40 AM
Holy sweet mother of f**ktards
LOL  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 05, 2018, 12:31:51 PM
Conor Deegan
James McCartan
Shane Mulholland
Steve Poacher
Pete McGrath

Lads that's it take your pick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on July 05, 2018, 12:47:22 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 05, 2018, 12:31:51 PM
Conor Deegan
James McCartan
Shane Mulholland
Steve Poacher
Pete McGrath

Lads that's it take your pick


Pete McGrath was a disaster in Fermanagh and Louth!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 05, 2018, 01:46:20 PM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on July 05, 2018, 12:47:22 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 05, 2018, 12:31:51 PM
Conor Deegan
James McCartan
Shane Mulholland
Steve Poacher
Pete McGrath

Lads that's it take your pick


Pete McGrath was a disaster in Fermanagh and Louth!!!

While Pete isnt the answer anymore. the above statement is wrong. Pete got Fermanagh to an All Ireland QF. Louth was a hidigt nothing and he did himself no favours.  Very harsh words. I wonder without Pete would we still be harping back to 68 as opposed to 94. Man deserves respect. He should be involved at some level for development.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 05, 2018, 02:10:49 PM
No he shouldnt. Nor should Paddy O'Rourke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on July 05, 2018, 02:17:04 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 05, 2018, 01:46:20 PM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on July 05, 2018, 12:47:22 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 05, 2018, 12:31:51 PM
Conor Deegan
James McCartan
Shane Mulholland
Steve Poacher
Pete McGrath

Lads that's it take your pick


Pete McGrath was a disaster in Fermanagh and Louth!!!

While Pete isnt the answer anymore. the above statement is wrong. Pete got Fermanagh to an All Ireland QF. Louth was a hidigt nothing and he did himself no favours.  Very harsh words. I wonder without Pete would we still be harping back to 68 as opposed to 94. Man deserves respect. He should be involved at some level for development.
Not questioning his achievements over the years, especially in the 90's, but his recent record isn't great. Yes he got Fermanagh to a AIQF in 2015 but 2016, 2017 and 2018 with Louth the players seemed to have downed tools. In 2009 he did great to get Down to an u21 AIF but they lost a match they should have won and he didn't do a great job with the minors after that despite having Hogan Cup winning players at his disposal

Bottom line is he shouldn't be considered
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 08, 2018, 12:03:53 PM
Take wee James of list - confirmed as u17manager next year, take Conor Deegan of list , confirmed as u20 manager next year,Poacher and Carlow manager or Banty, take your pick , get rid of Sean Og as any manager needs the backing of the county executive and he has a bad track record when it comes to offering support to senior managers, he also should have no input into next appointment as he consistently gets it wrong. We have got the man we were looking for- quote from himself whenBurns was appointed , should have read it was between the kit man and one of the last from the 94 team , the kit man was away on holidays so we picked Eamonn Burns, I along with many others hope the c v has to be one that incorporates success and man management.Just a thought .....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 08, 2018, 01:04:42 PM
Every club should have two full sized size pitches, and adequate changing room facilities. If you don't then stop criticising the county board. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on July 08, 2018, 01:25:17 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 08, 2018, 01:04:42 PM
Every club should have two full sized size pitches, and adequate changing room facilities. If you don't then stop criticising the county board.
What kind of clown are you, you have no idea fella.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 08, 2018, 05:29:59 PM
Quote from: thebar on July 08, 2018, 01:25:17 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 08, 2018, 01:04:42 PM
Every club should have two full sized size pitches, and adequate changing room facilities. If you don't then stop criticising the county board.
What kind of clown are you, you have no idea fella.

Clownjim if you want to fund my club go right ahead - Some clubs don't have the support/population to fundraise and raise enough money after they pay their fee's to the county board.. Take your head for a crap
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 08, 2018, 05:54:17 PM
Some crap talked on here and I'm one of them. Don't agree with almost all clownjim says but he has a point here.For the Down panel to have so many players from average clubs is why we have been so poor of late. Against the team that started against Cavan this is how many players on the team in the top division as we sit
CPN 1
Kilcoo 1
Burren 1
Mayobridge 0
Clonduff 1
Rostrevor 1

Top 6
Surely Kilcoo who have dominated club football for years should have more than 1?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 08, 2018, 07:09:53 PM
down jim your a first class clown who knows nothing of clubs who struggle with only having one pitch, it wouldn't surprise me if you are on the county executive who are trying to defend the indefensible by making stupid and irrelevant remarks on this forum, your a Richard head.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 08, 2018, 07:35:18 PM
Cuan you are a funny man. Richard head 😂
Rights lads call it

1- McEntee
2 - Pete
3- Dawson
4- Poacher
5 - Mulholland

Who has what it takes to become Down manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 08, 2018, 08:17:02 PM
Tally with Brian McIver and Mulholland as selectors
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on July 08, 2018, 08:34:09 PM
I suspect Downjim is deliberately winding, but let's analyse what he says.
We need all clubs contributing what they can to the county, by definition most top players should come from the top clubs but nobody can deny that there are gems in the lower divisions .
Some of the top clubs are understandably focusing on their own progress and under the current system , county representation can hinder that progress. When the county is struggling and less likely to win silverware players often will prioritise their club.
It's easy to blindly criticise county players, managers and board , and some  of the personalised comments are at best unhelpful and immature. Regardless of what club you are from , it's easy to agree on a few things: we need to improve on our financial situation , and a county finance/business development manager , as per top counties , would seem Like a good addition.
In the absence of free movement between clubs , every club has a responsibility to provide the very best environment for their players to develop, and to try to develop county players, including amalgamated senior championship teams , fighting for improved club structures etc.
It is absolutely vital that each club aspires to local floodlit facilities for games at all levels and a second pitch to extend the playing season.
If the county team succeeds we all get a spin-off ( If in doubt just look at your club's benefit from an all ireland appearance in 2010) . The structures are there to effect change but too often , we blame individuals as opposed to finding , and unifying behind a winning culture.
The personnel charged with finding our next senior management are 5 respected, knowledgeable and strong minded individuals , and I've no doubt will find the best personnel available . Regardless of their decision, unless we improve our financial situation and every club from senior to junior rally around a common cause and contributes whatever they can to our county's success , we'll probably keep making the same mistakes .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on July 09, 2018, 12:02:18 PM
I believe Barney Mc Aleenan managed and inspired a badly depleted CPN team to a victory on Friday night. Perhaps he and his son might be interested in the Down job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 09, 2018, 12:24:14 PM
Elk in case you did not notice but they beat Saval. I'll repeat that again SAVAL.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on July 09, 2018, 12:30:18 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 09, 2018, 12:24:14 PM
Elk in case you did not notice but they beat Saval. I'll repeat that again SAVAL.
I know sure didn't Saval beat Kilcoo and Clonduff earlier this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 09, 2018, 02:28:34 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 09, 2018, 12:24:14 PM
Elk in case you did not notice but they beat Saval. I'll repeat that again SAVAL.

They are beating all the wee clubs this year  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on July 09, 2018, 02:53:10 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 09, 2018, 02:28:34 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 09, 2018, 12:24:14 PM
Elk in case you did not notice but they beat Saval. I'll repeat that again SAVAL.

They are beating all the wee clubs this year  ;)

What has happened to Saval since start of year, they seemed to be competitive in most games and had a couple of good results but their last few games seem to suggest they have thrown in the towel....they wont pick up many points at this stage of year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 09, 2018, 03:05:03 PM
The real stuff starts after the holidays, injures will have cleared and teams will put out their strongest sides.
Can't wait for championship to start and I would love the county board to have a season ticket.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on July 09, 2018, 03:18:47 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 09, 2018, 03:05:03 PM
The real stuff starts after the holidays, injures will have cleared and teams will put out their strongest sides.
Can't wait for championship to start and I would love the county board to have a season ticket.
We all would, it was great 2 or 3 years back when they had one. You could watch plenty of games/teams for a reasonable price.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 10, 2018, 09:07:12 AM
Great idea to have a season ticket for the forthcoming championship. Please make this happen the powers that be. Regarding winners here goes
Kilcoo v CPN final Kilcoo
Bredagh v St Johns final Bredagh

Not sure about the junior

Elk Saval also had half a team Friday night from what I seen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 10, 2018, 10:59:40 AM
Any odds for SFC??

CPN will not be a player in championship this season, they have been flying too early.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 10, 2018, 11:22:02 AM
Just read in Rathfriland Outlook that the two McIvors are to be approached. I'd be happy with that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on July 10, 2018, 11:38:32 AM
Quote from: downjim on July 10, 2018, 11:22:02 AM
Just read in Rathfriland Outlook that the two McIvors are to be approached. I'd be happy with that

Rathfriland Outlook, the source of ALL your GAA needs  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 10, 2018, 11:52:38 AM
A very good paper for club notes I might add, if they could commit to Kilcoo then Down should be ok. Could he get Brannigan playing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 10, 2018, 12:32:49 PM
We have plenty of options lads but where will the money come from
Tally
McIvor
McEntee 
Moran
Will all expect a serious amount of money to take over this job and that's before you take into consideration selectors etc? Is the money about for these men? It will not be cheap

Pete
McCartan
Ross  Carr
Deegan

Would all be considerably cheaper if not free
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 10, 2018, 12:42:53 PM
Downs finances have greatly improved the past few years so I'm sure there is some about
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 10, 2018, 12:55:42 PM
That greatly improved that you can now go paying a manager big money?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 10, 2018, 01:15:49 PM
An exciting management team and good results will see sponsorship becoming easier.
Good PR needs to happen from within, as I said plenty of times clubs have better PR than the county. Cpn and the blue shirts are brand leaders in bull PR. If they win a toss there is a photo taken ffs

Our website is only good for results and there has not been a post up since  3rd July. These are easy fixes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 10, 2018, 01:36:06 PM
So you go the the big names saying right can you wait until the end of the national league to get your money we just need to try get a few sponsors or board. ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 10, 2018, 01:40:36 PM
There is money there to play with I'm sure. The budget for the seniors is always the biggest and I'm sure Cahill can tighten the budget in other areas to make this happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on July 10, 2018, 01:46:16 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 10, 2018, 10:59:40 AM
Any odds for SFC??

CPN will not be a player in championship this season, they have been flying too early.
They had a bad crash landing against Loughisland last year surely they must do better this year, although Rostrevor could be a potential banana skin for them.Will Burren suffer the same fate this year against the Island? Any date for the first round yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 10, 2018, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 10, 2018, 01:36:06 PM
So you go the the big names saying right can you wait until the end of the national league to get your money we just need to try get a few sponsors or board. ?

Do you think Burns, Adams and Murray did it for free ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 10, 2018, 01:54:25 PM
What sort of money would you be talking about white for the 3 combined?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 10, 2018, 02:10:34 PM
9th Aug, Clonduff could be best equipped to take the Magpies. Really dangerous forward line. Will O'Hanlon play this season??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on July 10, 2018, 02:35:01 PM
School holidays well and truly started going by some of last few posts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 10, 2018, 02:38:25 PM
How do you work that out Sam? It's a discussion board you jerk
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 11, 2018, 09:35:53 AM
I see the Ford never fielded in an U16 and a reserve game on Sunday. What's going on there??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 11, 2018, 09:42:58 AM
I would say a combination of holidays and not big numbers would be he simple reason. It's ok for u clownjim u are picking from around 10 clubs in the local area. The other clubs in Down don't have that privilege
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 11, 2018, 12:43:03 PM
10 clubs ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 11, 2018, 01:10:08 PM
Rostrevor tullylish CPN Ballymartin 3 x Newry clubs Saval Clonduff
Your last 2 winning seniors captains hailed from Rostrevor and Tullylish
Newry is now the hunting ground after CPN now turn yous down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 11, 2018, 06:03:20 PM
You missed a few out 😉

Btw there is still a few walking up the road to st Marys from CPN, NCP or whatever the Point care to call yourselves this week. By the way how much does CPN pay in rent every week ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on July 11, 2018, 11:41:13 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 11, 2018, 06:03:20 PM
You missed a few out 😉

Btw there is still a few walking up the road to st Marys from CPN, NCP or whatever the Point care to call yourselves this week. By the way how much does CPN pay in rent every week ?
Anybody who walks up the road from CPN you are welcome to them. If you are from a village or town that is the club you play for. Full stop. It is what the gaa is all about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 12, 2018, 02:30:39 PM
Discussion in pub last night about the biggest rivalry in Down club football? What's your views?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 12, 2018, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 12, 2018, 02:30:39 PM
Discussion in pub last night about the biggest rivalry in Down club football? What's your views?

East vs South
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on July 12, 2018, 04:27:43 PM
Newry town v warrenpoint town
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 12, 2018, 04:38:39 PM
Burren A v Burren B
From under 12s right up to reserve football
Clownjim could you for the life of me tell me where your players disappear to after minors?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 12, 2018, 05:53:08 PM
We field a senior team and two teams in the premier reserve league. Currently around 80 senior footballers. Not many other clubs in Down catering for so many
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on July 12, 2018, 05:59:30 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 12, 2018, 05:53:08 PM
We field a senior team and two teams in the premier reserve league. Currently around 80 senior footballers. Not many other clubs in Down catering for so many
I seen some of them 80 lads play and there is no way you could call them footballers ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 12, 2018, 06:03:30 PM
And both your teams in the reserve league are crap? Where have all the young talent went too? Great underage system but then do the blowins get pushed to the side?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 12, 2018, 07:02:04 PM
Too many players not enough coaches or facilities to accommodate them players , Burren needs split in two  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 12, 2018, 07:16:26 PM
Jealousy is an awful thing, get your own great clubs in order first. Most of yous are still begging of the council
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 12, 2018, 07:57:46 PM
Clownjim why can't you answer where do all these young players go after minors? Hundreds of players after all. Do they see Kilcoo in the long grass and decide that's not for them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walt Jabsco on July 12, 2018, 08:09:32 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 12, 2018, 07:57:46 PM
Clownjim why can't you answer where do all these young players go after minors? Hundreds of players after all. Do they see Kilcoo in the long grass and decide that's not for them?

The Hatfield
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 12, 2018, 08:16:08 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 12, 2018, 07:57:46 PM
Clownjim why can't you answer where do all these young players go after minors? Hundreds of players after all. Do they see Kilcoo in the long grass and decide that's not for them?

Your obsessed with Kilcoo, no wonder you have won fa since 1953
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 12, 2018, 08:48:49 PM
Not obsessed it's just fully every year it happens. The whole county know what's going to happen. Burren to hammer teams then come a cropper against Kilcoo. League almost wrapped up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 13, 2018, 12:26:21 PM
I hope the 5 man team have been meeting as Cavan will be looking into the same well and being in division 1 will be a lot more enticing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 13, 2018, 11:17:58 PM
They're no more enticing than Down are, in fact Cavan are shite ( division 1 or not)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 13, 2018, 11:45:33 PM
If they are shite what would that make us? I'm sure the 5 man committee have met and already started talking. They have a big decision to make and they know they have to get this appointment correct. I can't see the top dogs surviving if things do not go well next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on July 14, 2018, 10:32:12 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 13, 2018, 11:45:33 PM
If they are shite what would that make us? I'm sure the 5 man committee have met and already started talking. They have a big decision to make and they know they have to get this appointment correct. I can't see the top dogs surviving if things do not go well next year.
Why would that be? Its been poor fare for long enough now what makes next year different?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 14, 2018, 11:06:36 AM
The top dogs will be there because no one else wants it. Not enough administrators taking up posts in clubs never mind county. Too many keyboard warriors and pub slabbers in Down who yap about clubs and county but are not even GAA members.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 14, 2018, 11:33:29 AM
Pub slabbers what age are you clownjim pub slabbers 😩. What is the big pull to get involved when we always do the wrong thing? No doubt the new manager will be a yes man and won't rock the boat with the top men. That is what they look for first. Forget about what you have achieved as manager it is whether you listen to what they tell you. It's different this time as the general public are getting fed up after James McCartans reign ended.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 14, 2018, 11:39:58 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 14, 2018, 11:33:29 AM
Pub slabbers what age are you clownjim pub slabbers 😩. What is the big pull to get involved when we always do the wrong thing? No doubt the new manager will be a yes man and won't rock the boat with the top men. That is what they look for first. Forget about what you have achieved as manager it is whether you listen to what they tell you. It's different this time as the general public are getting fed up after James McCartans reign ended.

Do you think the age requirement for posting on this board is being too young to buy a pint? It would explain some of your posts anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 14, 2018, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 14, 2018, 11:33:29 AM
Pub slabbers what age are you clownjim pub slabbers 😩. What is the big pull to get involved when we always do the wrong thing? No doubt the new manager will be a yes man and won't rock the boat with the top men. That is what they look for first. Forget about what you have achieved as manager it is whether you listen to what they tell you. It's different this time as the general public are getting fed up after James McCartans reign ended.

Who do you think should get the job??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 14, 2018, 01:24:28 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 14, 2018, 11:06:36 AM
The top dogs will be there because no one else wants it. Not enough administrators taking up posts in clubs never mind county. Too many keyboard warriors and pub slabbers in Down who yap about clubs and county but are not even GAA members.

He's actually not far wrong to be fair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 16, 2018, 01:47:03 PM
3 massive games for CPN coming up in their quest for the league title, Harps/Rostrevor and Burren before championship  break. 6 points will surely put one hand on the league cup, though I can't see that happening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on July 16, 2018, 04:02:03 PM
Burren 7/2 with PP for the championship, not very generous the way Burren are playing this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on July 16, 2018, 04:20:24 PM
Kilcoo at 1/2 is buying money...Lump jab
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 16, 2018, 04:56:16 PM
Clownjim you don't have to worry about the league anyway. The usual season for the mighty Burren. No trophies
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 16, 2018, 05:13:20 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 16, 2018, 04:56:16 PM
Clownjim you don't have to worry about the league anyway. The usual season for the mighty Burren. No trophies
jeez smurfy, let this obsession with burren go. its getting boring now. theres more people worried about point scoring against each other than actual football chat.

for what's it's worth if kilcoo have all their players fit i can't see them being beat. clonduff, burren, cpn, bridge or b'ford could all upset them on their day but i think all are still that bit behind the magpies. it's up to the rest to put a challenge up to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on July 16, 2018, 05:18:37 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 16, 2018, 01:47:03 PM
3 massive games for CPN coming up in their quest for the league title, Harps/Rostrevor and Burren before championship  break. 6 points will surely put one hand on the league cup, though I can't see that happening.
Sure when Burren beat CPN they'll be right back in the mix for the league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 16, 2018, 05:51:54 PM
It will be interesting to see who will line out at Midfield for Kilcoo this championship, Greenan is home but what shape is he in. Morgan away partying is a loss. Ryan Johnston will probably have to start. OHanlons frees will definitely be a miss but will he be back in time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 16, 2018, 06:08:09 PM
Sheedy you add nothing worth talking about to the board. The usual shite if Kilcoo have all the players available they will win and then you add the next 5 best teams in Down that coukd take them. Tell us something we don't know. Borefest
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 16, 2018, 08:26:11 PM
Smurfy you are the best thing about the down thread, all your posts are worth tuning in for. If it wasnt for you in here it would get so boring. The way you keep calling a poster 'clownjim' is so funny, it never gets old. Thank god you didn't get a job for the summer, you would be missed in here. Keep the posts coming, can't wait for your latest insights into down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 17, 2018, 06:09:40 AM
Lot of bickering recently on here about Kilcoo , I for one admire them but they are there to be shot at, question for everyone, who are the only two teams from division two to contest SFC finals and what were the outcomes.
Any word on the new Down manager? Dublin hold the ball tactics, would not like to see that spread to other teams, it was horrible to watch but shows how far they are ahead, can't see them being stopped, would love to see Dublin and Kilcoo both toppled but who knows .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 17, 2018, 09:22:13 AM
Loads of teams in div 2 have contested finals and won championships
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 17, 2018, 09:24:15 AM
Ford won in 2003 from div 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on July 17, 2018, 10:15:39 AM
Quote from: downjim on July 17, 2018, 09:24:15 AM
Ford won in 2003 from div 2

No they were Division 1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 17, 2018, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: downjim on July 17, 2018, 09:22:13 AM
Loads of teams in div 2 have contested finals and won championships
No winners from outside the top flight since the intermediate championship was created.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 17, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on July 17, 2018, 06:09:40 AM
Lot of bickering recently on here about Kilcoo , I for one admire them but they are there to be shot at, question for everyone, who are the only two teams from division two to contest SFC finals and what were the outcomes.
Any word on the new Down manager? Dublin hold the ball tactics, would not like to see that spread to other teams, it was horrible to watch but shows how far they are ahead, can't see them being stopped, would love to see Dublin and Kilcoo both toppled but who knows .

Pretty sure loughinisland was one of them and they lost
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on July 17, 2018, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 17, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on July 17, 2018, 06:09:40 AM
Lot of bickering recently on here about Kilcoo , I for one admire them but they are there to be shot at, question for everyone, who are the only two teams from division two to contest SFC finals and what were the outcomes.
Any word on the new Down manager? Dublin hold the ball tactics, would not like to see that spread to other teams, it was horrible to watch but shows how far they are ahead, can't see them being stopped, would love to see Dublin and Kilcoo both toppled but who knows .

Pretty sure loughinisland was one of them and they lost

2008 & 2009 Loughinisland were Div1 but got relegated 2009.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on July 17, 2018, 12:12:57 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on July 17, 2018, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 17, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on July 17, 2018, 06:09:40 AM
Lot of bickering recently on here about Kilcoo , I for one admire them but they are there to be shot at, question for everyone, who are the only two teams from division two to contest SFC finals and what were the outcomes.
Any word on the new Down manager? Dublin hold the ball tactics, would not like to see that spread to other teams, it was horrible to watch but shows how far they are ahead, can't see them being stopped, would love to see Dublin and Kilcoo both toppled but who knows .

Pretty sure loughinisland was one of them and they lost

2008 & 2009 Loughinisland were Div1 but got relegated 2009.
I think Rostrevor where promoted from division 2 in 1992 when they lost final to Burren.  Annaclone in final in 2004.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 17, 2018, 12:54:14 PM
2005 ford ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on July 17, 2018, 01:37:18 PM
Downpatrick, Annaclone? Win, Loss.

Really should have read previous page. Rostrevor were indeed in Div 2, considering I played a league game against them about a fortnight before the final you'd think I'd have known that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 17, 2018, 09:48:35 PM
Loughinisland beat by Burren in 1985, start of a great rivalry over next 5 years, Bryansfird were the other team in the late sixties, and that started them on a wonderful run of form for the next Nos of years, maybe both of these east down teams can shake a few south down trees, championship time is always interesting , however can't see past   Kilcoo.
Any more word on the new senior county manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on July 17, 2018, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on July 17, 2018, 09:48:35 PM
Loughinisland beat by Burren in 1985, start of a great rivalry over next 5 years, Bryansfird were the other team in the late sixties, and that started them on a wonderful run of form for the next Nos of years, maybe both of these east down teams can shake a few south down trees, championship time is always interesting , however can't see past   Kilcoo.
Any more word on the new senior county manager.
Interesting but not the only 2 teams.

Annaclone where div 2 in 2004

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/3727136.stm

And I'm fairly sure Rostrevor where division 2 in 1992 as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 17, 2018, 11:45:41 PM
Liatriom in 2000??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 18, 2018, 07:23:22 AM
Apologies to all in Annaclone , they were div2 also, but since formation of leagues as we know it very few Div 2 sides get to final and I don't think any have won the SFC, Kilcoo I see are 1/2 favs , short enough for me but there are those who may think it's a great price ,not for me , would like to see new champions but with the back door system now in place the one of shocks can't take place any more, I recall Tecconaught beating all Ireland champions Burren in 1989 , probably the biggest shock in the history of theSFC , unless you know better.I would like to see the knockout system returned , no back doors, means when your beat your OUT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on July 18, 2018, 09:23:37 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on July 18, 2018, 07:23:22 AM
Apologies to all in Annaclone , they were div2 also, but since formation of leagues as we know it very few Div 2 sides get to final and I don't think any have won the SFC, Kilcoo I see are 1/2 favs , short enough for me but there are those who may think it's a great price ,not for me , would like to see new champions but with the back door system now in place the one of shocks can't take place any more, I recall Tecconaught beating all Ireland champions Burren in 1989 , probably the biggest shock in the history of theSFC , unless you know better.I would like to see the knockout system returned , no back doors, means when your beat your OUT
I think Teconnaught win over Burren was 1982.  Dromara going from reserve league a few years previous to beating Rostrevor (not sure of team) in 1991 senior championship was a fairly big surprise.  Donal Bell player/coach on both teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 18, 2018, 09:57:29 AM
Teconnaught did beat Burren in 1982, which was before Burren had won any of their Ulster and All Ireland titles, but it was still arguably the biggest Down SFC shock in living memory. Burren were the defending county champions at the time and went on to win the next six in a row.  Donal Bell was some operator, and he was not only the player/manager for Teconnaught but also a deadly free taker
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on July 18, 2018, 10:48:04 AM
Donal Bell is back at the helm in Teconnaught this season and although probably in the wrong division they are unbeaten so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 18, 2018, 01:05:18 PM
Can any Kilcoo poster tell me their longest winning record without being beaten, the back door does suit the bigger clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 18, 2018, 05:13:39 PM
What's Burren longest run?Obviously the Burren team rank as the best in the history of Down football
Who was the next best 2
Downpatrick
Kilcoo
Bryansford
Mayobridge
Loughinisland

Some great teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 18, 2018, 06:32:32 PM
The Clonduff 1 in a row of 2000 was brilliant.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 20, 2018, 09:02:51 AM
Any games worth going to tonight as a neutral??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 20, 2018, 09:14:26 AM
Quote from: downjim on July 20, 2018, 09:02:51 AM
Any games worth going to tonight as a neutral??

Ballyholland vs Burren in the minors
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 20, 2018, 02:07:06 PM
Have the venues and refs been appointed for championship games yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on July 20, 2018, 02:43:25 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 20, 2018, 02:07:06 PM
Have the venues and refs been appointed for championship games yet

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 20, 2018, 02:53:24 PM
Thanks, great to see the best venues in the county being used 😊
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Raven on July 20, 2018, 04:52:43 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on July 18, 2018, 09:23:37 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on July 18, 2018, 07:23:22 AM
Apologies to all in Annaclone , they were div2 also, but since formation of leagues as we know it very few Div 2 sides get to final and I don't think any have won the SFC, Kilcoo I see are 1/2 favs , short enough for me but there are those who may think it's a great price ,not for me , would like to see new champions but with the back door system now in place the one of shocks can't take place any more, I recall Tecconaught beating all Ireland champions Burren in 1989 , probably the biggest shock in the history of theSFC , unless you know better.I would like to see the knockout system returned , no back doors, means when your beat your OUT
Donal Bell player/coach on both teams.
I think Teconnaught win over Burren was 1982.  Dromara going from reserve league a few years previous to beating Rostrevor (not sure of team) in 1991 senior championship was a fairly big surprise.


Dromara came from East Down Reserve league in 1986 to beat Rostrevor in Senior Championship in 1991 losing to winners Downpatrick 2 weeks after All Ireland Final by 5 points and missed 2 penalties
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 20, 2018, 05:56:58 PM
And went from strength to strength ever since
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 20, 2018, 06:58:09 PM
To be fair to Raven, that was probably the biggest achievement on here from a very small club. And I have very few good memories of Dromara!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 20, 2018, 08:02:16 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 20, 2018, 05:56:58 PM
And went from strength to strength ever since
Why do you insist on being such a c**k jockey all the time? Get over yourself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 20, 2018, 09:54:43 PM
Another bad defeat for RGU , hate to see them relegated, need them in div 1 if Down are to improve,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 20, 2018, 10:08:32 PM
How do you work that out Cuan12?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 21, 2018, 11:06:49 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on July 20, 2018, 09:54:43 PM
Another bad defeat for RGU , hate to see them relegated, need them in div 1 if Down are to improve,

For the size of the town they have underachieved in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 21, 2018, 02:33:04 PM
Bit of a gap delevoping in division 1 between the top 6 and the rest. Anyone from Rostrevor and below could get relegated.
Does 2 or 3 go down this year ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 21, 2018, 03:11:32 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 21, 2018, 02:33:04 PM
Bit of a gap delevoping in division 1 between the top 6 and the rest. Anyone from Rostrevor and below could get relegated.
Does 2 or 3 go down this year ??
Does it even matter.. sure anyone outside of the greater Burren area need not apply.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 21, 2018, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on July 21, 2018, 03:11:32 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 21, 2018, 02:33:04 PM
Bit of a gap delevoping in division 1 between the top 6 and the rest. Anyone from Rostrevor and below could get relegated.
Does 2 or 3 go down this year ??
Does it even matter.. sure anyone outside of the greater Burren area need not apply.

You should be out selling lotto tickets
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 21, 2018, 05:49:47 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 21, 2018, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on July 21, 2018, 03:11:32 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 21, 2018, 02:33:04 PM
Bit of a gap delevoping in division 1 between the top 6 and the rest. Anyone from Rostrevor and below could get relegated.
Does 2 or 3 go down this year ??
Does it even matter.. sure anyone outside of the greater Burren area need not apply.

You should be out selling lotto tickets



Plenty being sold... Would you like one?? Or is it not in your remit to be supportive of all clubs in Down trying to do their bit to improve.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 21, 2018, 05:59:39 PM
I hope all clubs in Down improve, I hate  to see clubs stuck in the seventies
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 21, 2018, 06:32:57 PM
Or worse... the glorious 80s
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 21, 2018, 07:33:29 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 21, 2018, 05:59:39 PM
I hope all clubs in Down improve, I hate  to see clubs stuck in the seventies

I might have missed it, but did you ever answer the question why Burren can't turn their underage dominance into senior success?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2018, 07:54:14 PM
I'll answer that. Because you need a set of Stones at senior level. Ok beating teams by 40 points at underage. Stones needed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on July 21, 2018, 07:58:21 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on July 21, 2018, 07:33:29 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 21, 2018, 05:59:39 PM
I hope all clubs in Down improve, I hate  to see clubs stuck in the seventies

I might have missed it, but did you ever answer the question why Burren can't turn their underage dominance into senior success?

Burren are a pseudo big club. Shite enough ground, 2nd pitch no better than most. Clonduff can host championship games on both pitches. No stand unlike ballyholland who are hampered by their location. No class, since they started poaching from their neighbours. No backbone. Annual bend over for an ass fcuk from kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on July 21, 2018, 08:10:24 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on July 21, 2018, 07:58:21 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on July 21, 2018, 07:33:29 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 21, 2018, 05:59:39 PM
I hope all clubs in Down improve, I hate  to see clubs stuck in the seventies

I might have missed it, but did you ever answer the question why Burren can't turn their underage dominance into senior success?

Burren are a pseudo big club. Shite enough ground, 2nd pitch no better than most. Clonduff can host championship games on both pitches. No stand unlike ballyholland who are hampered by their location. No class, since they started poaching from their neighbours. No backbone. Annual bend over for an ass fcuk from kilcoo.
Charlie...no one could describe a club better. They dont have the balls for it but thats doing injustice to Kilcoo who are and have been a far better team for the guts of 10 years over all opposition in Down including Burren. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2018, 08:45:48 PM
Downjim when are these Burren lads going to grow a set?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 21, 2018, 08:57:10 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2018, 08:45:48 PM
Downjim when are these Burren lads going to grow a set?
is someone from burren bullying you at school smurfy? you seem to have some serious issues with burren and their set of balls or lack of.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2018, 09:08:22 PM
Sheedy would you ever go and suck that set? You moron
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 21, 2018, 09:10:26 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 21, 2018, 08:57:10 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2018, 08:45:48 PM
Downjim when are these Burren lads going to grow a set?
is someone from burren bullying you at school smurfy? you seem to have some serious issues with burren and their set of balls or lack of.

It's more about ClownJim who is absolutely downright disrespectful to any club in Down not in the greater Burren area.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 21, 2018, 09:11:47 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2018, 09:08:22 PM
Sheedy would you ever go and suck that set? You moron
let it all out, theres a good chap. Those burren boys cant touch you on here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2018, 09:27:06 PM
Why you saying those Burren boys when your from Burren?😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 21, 2018, 09:31:42 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on July 21, 2018, 09:10:26 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 21, 2018, 08:57:10 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2018, 08:45:48 PM
Downjim when are these Burren lads going to grow a set?
is someone from burren bullying you at school smurfy? you seem to have some serious issues with burren and their set of balls or lack of.

It's more about ClownJim who is absolutely downright disrespectful to any club in Down not in the greater Burren area.

Would you ever consider that he is a complete WUM and will love the fact that some of yous react to it.  I also have my doubts as to whether he is actually from Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 21, 2018, 09:39:02 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2018, 09:27:06 PM
Why you saying those Burren boys when your from Burren?😉
am I now??  :D  dont let all these issues with burren eat you up, its not healthy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2018, 09:42:56 PM
Yes you are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 21, 2018, 09:59:43 PM
Love to see burren getting beat especially in the championship, rather kilcoo won it than burren if it was a straight choice and im not from kilcoo  ;) but nobody can deny burren are one of the biggest clubs in down and ulster with a magnificent history. when have any of the top clubs shown some balls against kilcoo not just burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 21, 2018, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 21, 2018, 09:31:42 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on July 21, 2018, 09:10:26 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 21, 2018, 08:57:10 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2018, 08:45:48 PM
Downjim when are these Burren lads going to grow a set?
is someone from burren bullying you at school smurfy? you seem to have some serious issues with burren and their set of balls or lack of.

It's more about ClownJim who is absolutely downright disrespectful to any club in Down not in the greater Burren area.

Would you ever consider that he is a complete WUM and will love the fact that some of yous react to it.  I also have my doubts as to whether he is actually from Burren.

Ohh I know he's a WUM but it doesn't disguise the fact that he's still a (as someone else put it) Richard Head.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on July 22, 2018, 06:59:25 PM
Exciting times in Down football when this is the best we can come up with to discuss!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 22, 2018, 07:21:46 PM
Going to stop talking crap lads and have real discussions.
Looking at the weekends super 8s I believe Down are miles away.
The pure pace of all the games over the weekend we coukd not live with. The tackling in the Galway and Kildare match was immense. Roscommon are at number 8 but I still think we are behind them although we did beat them this year. Our defenders are to slack and we have no midfield and very few match winning forwards with Harrison the exception. Kerry were poor but have some class forwards. Good luck to whoever takes over as they have one hell of a job ahead of them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on July 22, 2018, 09:22:34 PM
The Down's Championship prediction league is starting soon on new thread. All posters on this thread is welcome to take part.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 22, 2018, 10:05:20 PM
It's amazing the amount of anti Burren sentiment there is on this forum, if I didn't know better you would think they were part of the orange order, doesn't help when they have that arse wipe clown Jim leaning over the wire supporting them, I remember Burren having kahunas the size of cannon balls, but they had serious competition from Bryansford Downpatrick and Loughinisland all from east down , which leads me to a previous point I made about Downpatrick.
When they are strong Down are strong , when east down clubs are strong Down is competitive and when east down schools are successful ie Red High and St Malachys Castlewellan , Down are successful ,look at 1991 and 1994 , east down clubs supplied over half the squad numbers.Why is our senior team so behind now?
Well we could start with the following, new county secretary, do away with starred games , go back to straight knock out championships and appoint a manager with no connection to 1991 or1994.
Lastly , who are the five tasked with getting us a new senior manager?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 22, 2018, 11:53:16 PM
My take would be to run the senior team with the bare minimum funding for about 5 years and invest every other penny into youth development and work from there. Let's be realistic we are nowhere near the top table of the Gaa, so why not pump everything we have into youth and build a decent platform to possibly get back among the big boys within the next decade.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 23, 2018, 12:18:43 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on July 22, 2018, 11:53:16 PM
My take would be to run the senior team with the bare minimum funding for about 5 years and invest every other penny into youth development and work from there. Let's be realistic we are nowhere near the top table of the Gaa, so why not pump everything we have into youth and build a decent platform to possibly get back among the big boys within the next decade.

I'd a thought like this a few years. But.

Doesn't matter who you pay to coach a senior county team, you'll still see the bulk of your costs getting eaten up by mileage, equipments, pitch hire, food, administration, team travel and accommodation. You will need video men and stat men no matter who takes the reins. When you get down to brass tacks, the difference between putting a top class management team in place and a run of the mill team is probably not much more than 40-50k a year. Which wouldn't pay for two coaches at juvenile level. Not enough for a major impact on youth football imho.

But if a good management team is put in place, and gets the team playing football well, and gets the buy in of the best players, the knock on effect in terms of player interest at juvenile level rises simultaneously.... and if talented young athletes are really aspiring to play County ball, that's worth more than coaching I reckon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redzone on July 23, 2018, 06:43:02 AM
The introduction of a second tier competition would really benefit teams like Down. Get them winning a few games because let's face it, Down have little or no talent coming through at underage. Nor have they the know how to even get the right structures in place. The county board is a joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 23, 2018, 07:02:31 AM
I would have to take issue with the post stating we have no under age talent coming through , obviously the same poster wasn't at clones to see the management throw away a six point lead, there was on view several talented youngsters , my question is how can we compete at u 14 through to minor level yet once they leave minor grade the level of performance drops and in some cases are lost to the sport altogether, so we have a problem that needs addressing.
I agree that the senior set up will cost a sizeable chunk of money but it can be managed better , we need value for money, the under age structures are starting to show results , one noteable result recently being the u16 victory over Dublin so something is working, however I feel that sometimes the county coaches don't connect with club juvenile coaches to ensure that players who develop slower than current county players are not overlooked , so sometimes it is not always down to money.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 23, 2018, 08:43:30 AM
This may sound stupid but Down need to find some tall players (6.4)to compete with division 2 teams never mind the big teams. Every team over the weekend had men mountains with the exception of maybe Monaghan around the midfield. The new manager ideally would be rewards to go for the whole of the club championship but if not then at the very least he quarter finals. We are bound to find someone in the lower leagues this year and make an impact with Down. All development squads should be scrapped they are a waste of time from under 16 and below. A complete waste of time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 23, 2018, 10:14:29 AM
I agree to an extent.. County development could start at 16 while starting regional development among groups of say 6-8 clubs per region with no club omitted.. This could start on a shared basis with each club holding rounds of training sessions with the host club afforded the ability to include their whole squad for said session. Just a thought..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 23, 2018, 10:34:31 AM
We have tried the big men from the lower divisions.

I would like to see junior teams amalgamating for SFC, the Kerry model seems successful
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 23, 2018, 07:22:18 PM
Scrap all development squads from u16 and below is an interesting suggestion but a dumb one all the same, sounds like penny pinching but maybe I'm wrong but I would ask what replaces these squads because without youth we have no future , trampling all championship matches to unearth some new talent is another good idea, but lads if there are any 6  6 midfielders as yet undiscovered or not tried I would be  extremely surprised, I believe in the absence of height our coaches have to find a way of counteracting this lack of height and Rory Beggan has showed us a possible solution.!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 23, 2018, 08:31:47 PM
Rory Beggan was brilliant yesterday, unfortunately we aren't blessed with his like!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 24, 2018, 06:46:08 AM
The likes of Rory Beggan and Stephen Cluxton have perfected their game to suit the type of play which brings the best results and it's through coaching and practise , my original point is , that in the absence of big midfielders we have to find a system of play which guarantees possession from the kick out, its no point saying we don't have a Rory Beggan we have to find one, but that's only one piece of the jigsaw .
The new manager has to be a good people person first , we have to see a hunger to play for Down that has been absent in some parts, also has to get good football men on board who know the down leagues inside out and are prepared to visit every club to see what talent if any, is available, every one has a preference, my own is a man with a proven track record of success but maybe unavailable due to current commitments.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 24, 2018, 09:12:21 AM
What was the point/harps game like?? That was some win for The Harps, league getting tight now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on July 24, 2018, 09:37:28 AM
Quote from: downjim on July 24, 2018, 09:12:21 AM
What was the point/harps game like?? That was some win for The Harps, league getting tight now.
Poor game to watch but a good win for the Harps. Warrenpoint's shooting was shocking and they are playing at far slower tempo than they were earlier in the season. Any Burren/Rostrevor men there last night will have come away encouraged with their league and championship clashes coming up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 24, 2018, 10:09:17 AM
They are a good side but they are missing a few older lads, I fancy Rostrevor to run them close in championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on July 24, 2018, 03:47:53 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 24, 2018, 10:09:17 AM
They are a good side but they are missing a few older lads, I fancy Rostrevor to run them close in championship

All depends if Rostrevor have all players available, not a lot of strength on the bench, as seen in their recent results
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 24, 2018, 04:19:45 PM
What's the best Down GAA newspaper?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on July 24, 2018, 04:58:18 PM
Irish News by a mile.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 24, 2018, 05:26:19 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 24, 2018, 04:19:45 PM
What's the best Down GAA newspaper?
Surprisingly the Rathfriland Outlook does a good GAA coverage, and lots of pictures of the twelfth celebrations!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on July 24, 2018, 08:04:02 PM
Sean Rooney interview in the Irish news today was embarrassing. The man never comes across well. Any chance of a new chairman agus new manager!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 24, 2018, 08:26:41 PM
The Irish News must have feck all to report on whenever that makes back page headlines
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 24, 2018, 08:59:27 PM
Shane Mulholland wants the Down job with Poacher assisting, what do yous think?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 09:10:36 PM
Quote from: Targetman on July 24, 2018, 08:59:27 PM
Shane Mulholland wants the Down job with Poacher assisting, what do yous think?
Two fat messes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 24, 2018, 09:25:17 PM
Paddy Tally for manager , let him pick his own team, proven record , wants a go , give him a chance , maybe Stephen Poacher might be asked to help but whoever the new manager wants on his back room team , we should as a county support his judgement , not like the treatment handed out to Jim McCorry by the county executive.
Question for all that read this forum , after the negative rubbish Danny Hughes wrote about our county, why is he on the selection panel, also what the f. K is Jack Devenny doing on it, there are enough good experienced football men in Down who are far more capable than that p***k.
What does he know about Down football other than antagonise football clubs.
It would drive you to despair !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 24, 2018, 09:28:02 PM
There is rumours of plenty of interest in the job with money available through sponsors and other individuals.  Paul McIlvor, Tony McEntee and Gavin Devlin have all been mentioned.  If any of that trio are actually interested I'd have them ahead of the Mulholland Poacher combination.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on July 24, 2018, 09:28:56 PM
http://gaeliclife.com/2018/07/exclusive-mulholland-wants-down-job-with-poacher/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 09:39:34 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on July 24, 2018, 09:25:17 PM
Paddy Tally for manager , let him pick his own team, proven record , wants a go , give him a chance , maybe Stephen Poacher might be asked to help but whoever the new manager wants on his back room team , we should as a county support his judgement , not like the treatment handed out to Jim McCorry by the county executive.
Question for all that read this forum , after the negative rubbish Danny Hughes wrote about our county, why is he on the selection panel, also what the f. K is Jack Devenny doing on it, there are enough good experienced football men in Down who are far more capable than that p***k.
What does he know about Down football other than antagonise football clubs.
It would drive you to despair !!


f**k me. Really, genuinely, f**k me. Have you even thought about this at all?

Danny Hughes has played against or managed against every team in the top 3 divisions in Down over the past 3 years. So if there is a team that is unusually well set up or well motivated, he will be aware of which local managers helped this happen. On top of that, his inclusion is a very clear statement from the county board that this isn't a yes man exercise. Which let's be honest, we all want.

Then there's Jack. A man who spent half a decade running the QUB club. Apart from the obvious direct bonus that he went through a similar process appointing Sigerson managers every year and knows how this shit works, think about this. As a direct result of that tenure he has a network of relationships across the province, in every county, to point him in the direction of promising and interested coaches. And f**k me is also vice chair of our county.


I'm not expecting a response to this as whatever you come up with will be absolute bull shit and unnecessarily personal towards men who've given more to this county than you ever will. But if you do want to talk about... first tell me who the f**k is better qualified in Down football to sit on this committee?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 24, 2018, 09:57:42 PM
Irish's News interview was extremely embarrassing to say the very least but anyway it is what it is. Chairman stuck in the back of the Irish news beggers belief

Shane Mulholland would be a decent appoint after guiding Rostrevor to intermediate success and had a good spell at minor level so he has some experience and I see he also won the Down under 14 league with his club. He obviously knows what success is. Had a good intercounty career too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 24, 2018, 10:08:09 PM
The following are better qualified, Paul Lambe - given years of service to Down , knows the game inside out, Paddy ORourke - passionate about Down football and doesn't go spouting in the local press and by the way knows how to lead
Rodger Morgan - former chairman of Kilcoo and isn't a yes man but knows his football
Donald King - successful solicitor and has all the contacts and played for QUB and knows his football
Barney McAleenan- good footballer , great coach
I could go on but the point I'm making is Liam Doyle , Trixie , I can have but unless the selection process and panel is right we are heading for another wrong appointment, I like many others in this county have no faith in the county secretary and the vice chairman, heaven help us if the former remains and the latter becomes chairman.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:42:05 PM
You do realise that you've listed a bunch of people who are genuinely nowhere nearly as qualified as Jack Devaney to headhunt a a county senior football manager?

Try not to make things personal when you're assessing a situation. It help nobody.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 24, 2018, 10:51:04 PM
You for real Wobbler , how is he better qualified than Paddy ORourke for instance , all Ireland winning captain, managed club and county teams, what has Jack achieved in his playing and managerial career ?
I'm not making this personal I'm saying the make up of this selection panel is wrong and I'm not the only only who thinks this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 11:05:09 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on July 24, 2018, 10:51:04 PM
You for real Wobbler , how is he better qualified than Paddy ORourke for instance , all Ireland winning captain, managed club and county teams, what has Jack achieved in his playing and managerial career ?
I'm not making this personal I'm saying the make up of this selection panel is wrong and I'm not the only only who thinks this.

Paddy is what, around 58 years old, runs his own business, and is a devoted Burren and Down man. How big would you think his network is among the 30 and 40 year olds that dominate the managerial networks? How many players and managers across the county, outside of D1, do you think he's be familiar with?

This is no criticism of PoR by the way. But as mentioned, he's late 50s, and he has enough going in life to allow his finger to be on another pulse.

Winning Sam almost 30 years ago doesn't change that. If it did, we might as well add the remaining members of 68 to the selection panel while we are at it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 24, 2018, 11:10:45 PM
Not a bad mix making up the selection committee most know a bit about football with the exception of one man on it. Would the general public be happy with Mulholland?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 25, 2018, 07:03:48 AM
Only problem with Shane is that his tenure in the minor managership ended prematurely due to a lapse in judgement, personally I would have no objection if he was involved in some capacity, similarly the likes of Paul Duffin would be a good member of the back room staff.
Getting back to Wobbler , your full of b s , to say all the inter county managers are aged between 30 and 40 is a bit wide of the mark, managers of Dublin, Galway , Mayo , Tyrone contradict that statement , nothing beats experience, Jack might be an able administrator but he is not qualified to make any call on a suitable candidate.
As I have said before there are a lot of people who have no faith in this selection committee and finally while they might not be actively involved in the county scene the opinions of the likes of Sean oNeill and Paddy Doherty from the 60 s era may not be as trivial as you suggest.Too many times we have got this part of the process wrong resulting in the wrong appointment, time will tell,but Wobbler your a Richard head to be so dismissive of PoR , don't forget the work he has done in setting up development squads which is starting to show results.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 25, 2018, 07:16:53 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on July 25, 2018, 07:03:48 AM
Only problem with Shane is that his tenure in the minor managership ended prematurely due to a lapse in judgement, personally I would have no objection if he was involved in some capacity, similarly the likes of Paul Duffin would be a good member of the back room staff.
Getting back to Wobbler , your full of b s , to say all the inter county managers are aged between 30 and 40 is a bit wide of the mark, managers of Dublin, Galway , Mayo , Tyrone contradict that statement , nothing beats experience, Jack might be an able administrator but he is not qualified to make any call on a suitable candidate.
As I have said before there are a lot of people who have no faith in this selection committee and finally while they might not be actively involved in the county scene the opinions of the likes of Sean oNeill and Paddy Doherty from the 60 s era may not be as trivial as you suggest.Too many times we have got this part of the process wrong resulting in the wrong appointment, time will tell,but Wobbler your a Richard head to be so dismissive of PoR , don't forget the work he has done in setting up development squads which is starting to show results.

Walsh, if he's 50, it's by a day or two.
Rochford would maybe have just about hit 40.
Gavin has a few years yet to his half century.

Are you trying to prove my point or go against it?

I never dismissed O'Rourke, I just don't see how being an All Ireland winning captain 30 years ago makes him a suitable headhunter in the modern game. The shortlist of suitable candidates within our county couldn't be any shorter. Knowledge and connections that expand beyond our boundaries is essential. Paddy may have this, he even may have it in abundance. If so, get him on board. But don't get him on board because he captained an All Ireland team.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 25, 2018, 08:12:02 AM
I don't think he dismisses POR but he did say he has to much on his plate already. Certainly new modern men picking it is no harm. Lads with all due respect to SM but he would not be fit to manage this Down team. His minor days were a complete disaster from the word go in terms of missing training not winning a match poor training  and finally the bus event. Rostrevor win the intermediate after beating nobody on route. They have now went from strength to strength this year under Copeland with the players suggesting that it's a far better regime and 100 times more professional. I was taking the piss when I mentioned him along with McEntee Tally McIvor Moran and the rest. What in God's name have we become as a county. Poacher on his own would have gained more credibility. What was his record as minor boss btw? Q the backlash from wobbler whom is a fantastic poster btw.
SM can certainly talk the talk but can't walk the walk. Let's call a spade a spade here no doubt wobbler will feel very different.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 25, 2018, 09:07:29 AM
I hope some of the names threw about are piss takes 😂

For my worth I don't think Mulholland and Poacher would be a bad appointment. Not great but would relate to the younger generation.

Well done to a great Burren Minor team on winning the league last night. A great performance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on July 25, 2018, 11:13:27 AM
Burren minors looked very good. Certs for the championship too. Good game of football. nr 7 and 11 stand outs for them. a lot of good footballers on show, both teams

I see mayobridge have moved up for the minor championship

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on July 25, 2018, 03:13:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 24, 2018, 11:10:45 PM
Not a bad mix making up the selection committee most know a bit about football with the exception of one man on it. Would the general public be happy with Mulholland?
As I've said before, winning the intermediate championship with Rostrevor wouldn't be evidence on any great managerial skills. I think we need someone with a bigger rep who will attract all the best players back to the county team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 25, 2018, 03:57:45 PM
Quote from: befair on July 25, 2018, 03:13:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 24, 2018, 11:10:45 PM
Not a bad mix making up the selection committee most know a bit about football with the exception of one man on it. Would the general public be happy with Mulholland?
As I've said before, winning the intermediate championship with Rostrevor wouldn't be evidence on any great managerial skills. I think we need someone with a bigger rep who will attract all the best players back to the county team

It's more than Eamon Burns had won!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on July 25, 2018, 04:03:56 PM
Quote from: befair on July 25, 2018, 03:13:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 24, 2018, 11:10:45 PM
Not a bad mix making up the selection committee most know a bit about football with the exception of one man on it. Would the general public be happy with Mulholland?
As I've said before, winning the intermediate championship with Rostrevor wouldn't be evidence on any great managerial skills. I think we need someone with a bigger rep who will attract all the best players back to the county team

Would agree, if it is, why are the Ulster Intermediate winning management teams of Warrenpoint & Loughinisland not being thrown in the hat too?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 25, 2018, 06:33:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 24, 2018, 09:57:42 PM
Irish's News interview was extremely embarrassing to say the very least but anyway it is what it is. Chairman stuck in the back of the Irish news beggers belief

Shane Mulholland would be a decent appoint after guiding Rostrevor to intermediate success and had a good spell at minor level so he has some experience and I see he also won the Down under 14 league with his club. He obviously knows what success is. Had a good intercounty career too
Haven't been on for a while but this post by Smurfy is just complete sh-te.  How many games did he win in the MFC with Down Minors. There is no All County League at U14 so must have been a SD title---some achievement.  Define a good County career
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 25, 2018, 06:37:14 PM
Time will tell about who will take up the gauntlet and manage Down, is it too much to ask that the new manager can get the team playing with some flair , I stated my feelings on the selection panel but having done so hope the process doesn't take an age as the championship gives any new manager what he has to work with potentially.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 25, 2018, 08:06:48 PM
The selection panel has my full confidence and support. Dedicated and informed men who have the interests of Down football at heart. They have their work cut out mind you; taking on the role wouldn't be hugely attractive but I agree that we have enough talented players to make us competitive in Ulster, get out of Division 3 and get a run in the Super 8s within 3 years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 25, 2018, 10:16:05 PM
At least we are making the back pages of the Irish news again. 3 days in a row on the back page. That's something we haven't been doing in a long time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on July 25, 2018, 10:29:38 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 25, 2018, 08:12:02 AM
I don't think he dismisses POR but he did say he has to much on his plate already. Certainly new modern men picking it is no harm. Lads with all due respect to SM but he would not be fit to manage this Down team. His minor days were a complete disaster from the word go in terms of missing training not winning a match poor training  and finally the bus event. Rostrevor win the intermediate after beating nobody on route. They have now went from strength to strength this year under Copeland with the players suggesting that it's a far better regime and 100 times more professional. I was taking the piss when I mentioned him along with McEntee Tally McIvor Moran and the rest. What in God's name have we become as a county. Poacher on his own would have gained more credibility. What was his record as minor boss btw? Q the backlash from wobbler whom is a fantastic poster btw.
SM can certainly talk the talk but can't walk the walk. Let's call a spade a spade here no doubt wobbler will feel very different.

Whats this about? Same story about taking underage lads out on the lash?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 26, 2018, 09:12:11 AM
Poacher/Mulholland seems to be gathering pace
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 26, 2018, 09:18:19 AM
Something tells me wee clownjim is not a Burren man at all😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 26, 2018, 09:24:07 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 26, 2018, 09:18:19 AM
Something tells me wee clownjim is not a Burren man at all😉

That something is another poster after you have spent the last number of months obsessing over Burren every time downjim posts something.


Quote from: whitegoodman on July 21, 2018, 09:31:42 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on July 21, 2018, 09:10:26 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 21, 2018, 08:57:10 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2018, 08:45:48 PM
Downjim when are these Burren lads going to grow a set?
is someone from burren bullying you at school smurfy? you seem to have some serious issues with burren and their set of balls or lack of.

It's more about ClownJim who is absolutely downright disrespectful to any club in Down not in the greater Burren area.

Would you ever consider that he is a complete WUM and will love the fact that some of yous react to it.  I also have my doubts as to whether he is actually from Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 26, 2018, 09:42:51 AM
Quote from: downjim on July 26, 2018, 09:12:11 AM
Poacher/Mulholland seems to be gathering pace

By gathering pace do you mean the one article which was obviously a journalist looking for a headline has been shared in numerous places?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 27, 2018, 08:44:20 AM
I hear the oul boy Devlin went home with his tail between his legs last night in Burren. Talking when he should have been listening
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 27, 2018, 08:48:09 AM
Don't know what you are on about?? Sure we have no balls  ;)

Exciting enough game but it was good for our younger lads to taste that victory.

I'm sure Kilcoo will be happy enough but we're they missing that many last night?? Are their supporters happy with the tinkering?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 27, 2018, 12:30:21 PM
Disgraceful scenes at burren last night , on and of the pitch , had referee been assessed last night he wouldn't officiate at another game, the free for all caused a disturbance in the crowd , a bad advert for down football, at least two from each side could have and should have seen the line for striking, same ref needs to grown a set , maybe he should be mindful that some one could have been badly hurt , football when the teams decided to play football was good in parts, wouldn't read to much into result as both teams will probably line out differently come championship, it's a contact sport but I wonder how many of the boxers on show last night would step into the ring ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 27, 2018, 02:43:50 PM
I don't think devlin would fancy getting into a ring. His head was used as a punchbag last night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 27, 2018, 02:54:15 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on July 27, 2018, 12:30:21 PM
Disgraceful scenes at burren last night , on and of the pitch , had referee been assessed last night he wouldn't officiate at another game, the free for all caused a disturbance in the crowd , a bad advert for down football, at least two from each side could have and should have seen the line for striking, same ref needs to grown a set , maybe he should be mindful that some one could have been badly hurt , football when the teams decided to play football was good in parts, wouldn't read to much into result as both teams will probably line out differently come championship, it's a contact sport but I wonder how many of the boxers on show last night would step into the ring ?

The usual mouthy shite from certain characters caused a disturbance in the crowd.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on July 27, 2018, 02:59:20 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on July 27, 2018, 12:30:21 PM
Disgraceful scenes at burren last night , on and of the pitch , had referee been assessed last night he wouldn't officiate at another game, the free for all caused a disturbance in the crowd , a bad advert for down football, at least two from each side could have and should have seen the line for striking, same ref needs to grown a set , maybe he should be mindful that some one could have been badly hurt , football when the teams decided to play football was good in parts, wouldn't read to much into result as both teams will probably line out differently come championship, it's a contact sport but I wonder how many of the boxers on show last night would step into the ring ?

Yeh sure, it was the ref's fault.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 27, 2018, 04:53:21 PM
Dry your eyes ogra. Devlin was used as a punchbag move on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 27, 2018, 05:54:12 PM
Red could have nipped it in the bud, the supporters should know better
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 27, 2018, 09:28:31 PM
Certain teams in Down are getting very fond of the eye gouging
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on July 27, 2018, 10:05:30 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 27, 2018, 09:28:31 PM
Certain teams in Down are getting very fond of the eye gouging

ok
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kingpins on July 27, 2018, 11:40:00 PM
Seems to be the case white goodman, very sinister & unsporting behaviour which unless acted upon by the county board or match officials could end badly for a fella, soon be when playing the lough island reavy contingent safety glasses/goggles will soon need to be complusory. Disgusting and despicable behaviour on that regular of an occurance makes you question is it being coached and advised beforehand!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 28, 2018, 12:47:25 AM
The league is hotting up now. I will tell you what that Rostrevor team have made some improvements this year. We destroyed them at the start of the year but tonight they looked very good. Anyone know has Devlin woke up yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 28, 2018, 09:31:14 AM
Did the new Down coach leave the buses at home last night?

Eye gouging is the worst thing I've ever seen and it was brutal on Thursday night. A disgrace!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on July 28, 2018, 05:45:27 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 28, 2018, 09:31:14 AM
Did the new Down coach leave the buses at home last night?

Eye gouging is the worst thing I've ever seen and it was brutal on Thursday night. A disgrace!

Guessing you're talking about Poacher here and Ballyholland who where at home to the bridge so your point is irrelevant, clown.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 28, 2018, 07:01:28 PM
Yes the Bridge , they are hardly the Harlem Globetrotters
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 28, 2018, 07:50:37 PM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on July 28, 2018, 05:45:27 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 28, 2018, 09:31:14 AM
Did the new Down coach leave the buses at home last night?

Eye gouging is the worst thing I've ever seen and it was brutal on Thursday night. A disgrace!

Guessing you're talking about Poacher here and Ballyholland who where at home to the bridge so your point is irrelevant, clown.

I may be wrong but I think he was referring to the fact that they were well beaten and mustn't have parked the bus as they usually would.

Besides I will be well surprised if he is the new Down coach.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on July 28, 2018, 09:13:43 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 28, 2018, 08:56:19 PM
Too many coaches and buses being mentioned. It's hard to follow what anything means.

It's all a bit augher clougher fivemiletown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 28, 2018, 10:26:49 PM
Jesus it is a strange one. I do think Poacher is the best coach in Down football but looking at results lately they struggle against decent teams. Laois beat Carlow 3 times last year. This is the same Laois that Down hammered under McCartan and McCorry. Looking through Ballyhollands championship record they have failed to beat Kilcoo Burren Castlewellan Mayobridge Clonduff Bryansford Downpatrick in 5 years. Possibly the top 7 teams in Down. Whitegoodman what is your thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 28, 2018, 10:31:27 PM
They may have beaten Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 28, 2018, 11:12:57 PM
Any word on Devlin? Last seen running down milltown street. Eye gouging has no place in football in this county. It's time referees stud up to these Kilcoo players. Any truth Devlin is all talk no substance?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 28, 2018, 11:19:58 PM
Poucher is undoubtably a talented coach and motivator who can organise a team.  He is still to convince if he can take a team to the next level of being an attacking force against decent teams.

If there is little money about then he is probably the best option available within the county (despite the sideline antics).  I happen to think that he has no chance while the man in the hat is still around.

If there is money (which I think there is), I'd much prefer one of Tally, Devlin or McEntee.....In that order!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2018, 12:08:13 AM
Poacher I would be happy with no doubt but what is Mulhollands reason for going for the job? Whitegoodman does he have any hope of getting the job? McGuinness I see linked to Cavan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 29, 2018, 10:32:17 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 28, 2018, 11:19:58 PM
Poucher is undoubtably a talented coach and motivator who can organise a team.  He is still to convince if he can take a team to the next level of being an attacking force against decent teams.

If there is little money about then he is probably the best option available within the county (despite the sideline antics).  I happen to think that he has no chance while the man in the hat is still around.

If there is money (which I think there is), I'd much prefer one of Tally, Devlin or McEntee.....In that order!!
Who is Devlin?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 29, 2018, 11:27:00 AM
Tyrone coach, apparently interested in taking the job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 29, 2018, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 29, 2018, 11:27:00 AM
Tyrone coach, apparently interested in taking the job
What is Devlin's first name ?
  Mickey Donnelly ex Bridge manager and current Derry U20 manager and one of the Managers from St Ronan's Lurgan is worth pursuing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 29, 2018, 04:18:51 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 29, 2018, 04:06:40 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on July 29, 2018, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 29, 2018, 11:27:00 AM
Tyrone coach, apparently interested in taking the job
What is Devlin's first name ?
  Mickey Donnelly ex Bridge manager and current Derry U20 manager and one of the Managers from St Ronan's Lurgan is worth pursuing.
Gavin "Horse"
No chance-he's only a runner for Mickey Harte and he's not good at that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2018, 04:23:47 PM
Lads it not as if we have any high profile men interested in the job
At the present time we have one management ream to shown interest
1- Mul and Poacher


No other name officially interested
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2018, 05:56:43 PM
If limerick can make the hurling final surely Down could make the super 8s
Belief and hard work along with good tactics from the manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 29, 2018, 06:02:15 PM
Any local papers do a championship preview??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2018, 06:11:13 PM
Kilcoo v CPN Final
Expierience to win it for Kilcoo again but the gap is closing
Kilcoo
CPN
Burren
Clonduff
Mayobridge
Castlewellan
Bryansford
Downpatrick
Ballyholland
Rostrevor
An Riocht
Loughinisland
Saval
longstone
Glenn
Carryduff

That's my order from 1-16
Go for it Jim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 29, 2018, 06:27:22 PM
NCP will not be in the final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on July 29, 2018, 06:31:09 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 29, 2018, 06:27:22 PM
NCP will not be in the final
Thats for sure unless they put a team out!  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 29, 2018, 06:34:06 PM
PCN are starting to be caught and I fancy the Reds to take them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2018, 06:36:07 PM
Give me your top 16 Jim. Aye good one hardstarion you bore
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 29, 2018, 07:08:30 PM
Kilcoo

Then Burren, Bridge , Clonduff

Only 3 teams that could put it up to magpies but magpies will prevail unless sending off, injuries.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2018, 07:10:06 PM
What was pure shite about that? Obviously limerick mikes ahead of Down that's why I said can make the super 8s and not an all Ireland final. Read what I wrote will you. Limerick haven't contested a final in 11 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on July 29, 2018, 07:30:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 29, 2018, 06:34:06 PM
PCN are starting to be caught and I fancy the Reds to take them.
CPN beat them handily enough in the end on Friday night. Rostrevors legs went in the 2nd half and that was on a  small pitch, I think the Marshes will suit CPN more and they have Mallon and Davison to come into their team while Rostrevor have Doyle and Fegan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 29, 2018, 07:45:07 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 29, 2018, 07:18:44 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2018, 07:10:06 PM
What was pure shite about that? Obviously limerick mikes ahead of Down that's why I said can make the super 8s and not an all Ireland final. Read what I wrote will you. Limerick haven't contested a final in 11 years.
You were making out that Limerick, like Down footballers, are a team of limited ability but through hard work and solid tactics have managed to make an All Ireland final. That is pure shite. Limerick are a team full of hugely talented hurlers who have recently won All Ireland's at U21 and have every right to be playing in an All Ireland final. They would fear no team in the country. Down footballers have no business playing in the Super 8s.
HS,your holidays are over,head back over to Antrim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2018, 07:48:51 PM
Hardstation can you answer me this then if Down have no right in super 8s. Why did Antrim throw everyone behind the ball against us and give us every kickout? Antrim probably 30th in Ireland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2018, 07:58:22 PM
I don't disagree that we are a long way off hard but I'm saying it is possible to make the super 8s. It will be hard to break into it but I believe one outsider will make it every year and possibly 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2018, 08:03:36 PM
Fair enough probably was then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 29, 2018, 08:28:19 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2018, 08:03:36 PM
Fair enough probably was then.

Lol you put up a good argument there smurfy.

Down are a long way behind Dublin, Galway, Donegal, Kerry and Tyrone IMO but with the right management in place I don't see why couldn't put it up to the likes of Monaghan (I know they drew with Kerry)Roscommon and Kildare.  We got to an Ulster final last year with the worst manager in our history so there is something in the current panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on July 29, 2018, 10:47:13 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 29, 2018, 08:00:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2018, 07:58:22 PM
I don't disagree that we are a long way off hard but I'm saying it is possible to make the super 8s. It will be hard to break into it but I believe one outsider will make it every year and possibly 2.
Limerick have not been a long way off making an All Ireland final. That's the point. Your comparison was nonsense.
.Plus the professionalism of the Limerick hurlers and the backroom team leaves Down in the ha'penny place.
Do a bit of research on them. Kielty, kinnerk and Co are serious operators funded by a certain JP McManus .
We're light years away
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2018, 11:00:38 PM
I'll hold my hands up I got that one wrong. They are a serious team with one of the wealthiest men in Ireland backing them. And they look super conditioned something we can't say about the Down players. But as whitegoodman said we got to an ulster final last year with a shambles of a set up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 29, 2018, 11:04:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 29, 2018, 10:34:26 PM
On a really good day, you probably could beat those teams. You would expect them to beat you comfortably 9 times out of 10 though.

We have beaten two of those three teams in the last 2 years so I guess we won't be beating them for another few years !!!!

Roscommon and Kildare are both bang average and Monaghan have a very good manager and one unbelievable forward.  If you can somehow nullify him then they can be got at especially if you have pace in your team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CornUladh02 on July 29, 2018, 11:23:03 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 29, 2018, 11:04:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 29, 2018, 10:34:26 PM
On a really good day, you probably could beat those teams. You would expect them to beat you comfortably 9 times out of 10 though.

We have beaten two of those three teams in the last 2 years so I guess we won't be beating them for another few years !!!!

Roscommon and Kildare are both bang average and Monaghan have a very good manager and one unbelievable forward.  If you can somehow nullify him then they can be got at especially if you have pace in your team.
Is that the same kildare that beat Mayo, who have been in a handful of all Ireland finals since the turn of the decade? Average??,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 30, 2018, 12:17:13 AM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 29, 2018, 11:23:03 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 29, 2018, 11:04:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 29, 2018, 10:34:26 PM
On a really good day, you probably could beat those teams. You would expect them to beat you comfortably 9 times out of 10 though.

We have beaten two of those three teams in the last 2 years so I guess we won't be beating them for another few years !!!!

Roscommon and Kildare are both bang average and Monaghan have a very good manager and one unbelievable forward.  If you can somehow nullify him then they can be got at especially if you have pace in your team.
Is that the same kildare that beat Mayo, who have been in a handful of all Ireland finals since the turn of the decade? Average??,

Would that be the same Mayo team that scraped past Derry a little over 12 months ago? Beating them doesn't make you world beaters (no denying Mayo are a great team though).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2018, 07:48:51 PM
Hardstation can you answer me this then if Down have no right in super 8s. Why did Antrim throw everyone behind the ball against us and give us every kickout? Antrim probably 30th in Ireland

Get real.

We are probably 20-25th worst county in Ireland. Maybe even in the 25-30 bracket!


No where near the level you are suggesting and if we were in S8, we'd be embarrassed every game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 30, 2018, 09:13:37 AM
Jesus calm down.
All I said was if limerick can make the All Ireland final then with hard work and a good management team Down could make the super 8s. I never said Down were anything they are not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 30, 2018, 09:15:02 AM
Quote from: hardstation on July 30, 2018, 12:24:19 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 30, 2018, 12:17:13 AM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 29, 2018, 11:23:03 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 29, 2018, 11:04:34 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 29, 2018, 10:34:26 PM
On a really good day, you probably could beat those teams. You would expect them to beat you comfortably 9 times out of 10 though.

We have beaten two of those three teams in the last 2 years so I guess we won't be beating them for another few years !!!!

Roscommon and Kildare are both bang average and Monaghan have a very good manager and one unbelievable forward.  If you can somehow nullify him then they can be got at especially if you have pace in your team.
Is that the same kildare that beat Mayo, who have been in a handful of all Ireland finals since the turn of the decade? Average??,

Would that be the same Mayo team that scraped past Derry a little over 12 months ago? Beating them doesn't make you world beaters (no denying Mayo are a great team though).
Kildare aren't world beaters but, if you're being honest with yourself, you would say they are a level above where Down currently are.

By your logic could this not be the 1/10 times that Kildare could beat Mayo ?

Down are well off the top tier but I cant agree that the likes of Roscommon and Kildare are that far ahead of Down.  Time will tell if we get a half decent management team in place but we have seen what a decent manager can do with the likes of Fermanagh.

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2018, 07:48:51 PM
Hardstation can you answer me this then if Down have no right in super 8s. Why did Antrim throw everyone behind the ball against us and give us every kickout? Antrim probably 30th in Ireland

Get real.

We are probably 20-25th worst county in Ireland. Maybe even in the 25-30 bracket!


No where near the level you are suggesting and if we were in S8, we'd be embarrassed every game.

So you reckon we wont be in with a shout of promotion to division 2 next year ?  By all accounts we were one result away from staying in Div 2 this year so 20th - 30th would be as much of an exaggeration as top 8.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 30, 2018, 09:49:24 AM
Great news from Kilcoo this morning, the Red has woken up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 30, 2018, 10:40:45 AM
Roscommon and Down were in the same division this year and Down beat them.  Who did Roscommon beat to make the super 8's, Armagh?

I would suggest most Fermanagh supporters would argue that Gallagher has brought them on this year from last year.  Promotion and an Ulster final is a decent year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 30, 2018, 11:13:18 AM
Galway won Div 1 and Donegal were relegated.  Does that mean Galway are a level above Donegal ? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 30, 2018, 11:42:38 AM
Roscommon have beaten Leitrim and Armagh to reach the Super 8's.  Since then they have well beaten and embarrassed on one of those occasions.  Have they shown that they belong at that level?

If Down had the same fixtures to get into the Super 8's Id be disappointed if we didn't have a decent chance of making it.  Or maybe we are not at Armagh's level either?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 30, 2018, 11:57:51 AM
If every player in Down made themselves available we would have some side. Unfortunately some clubs turn their players away from the county.  It is amazing that some bigger and successful clubs have no All Ireland senior winner.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 30, 2018, 12:10:45 PM
The red has awoke. The top 5/6 aides in the country are ahead of everyone them we have 10/15 that could beat anyone on any given day. Then you have about 7/8 that would struggle against those sides. Down are in the second bracket and coukd beat that group but would struggle against the top teams. But improvements can be made in a year. Fermanagh have shown that along with Donegal. Don't forget Donegal got hammered by both Tyrone and Galway last year. Hammered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 30, 2018, 01:15:25 PM
Tell me this HS, are Roscommon and Kildare a level above Cork, Cavan and Clare ?

If not you are saying that Cork, Cavan and Clare are a level above Down ?


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 30, 2018, 01:27:35 PM
The same Kildare that got zero points in the national league and were beaten by the mighty Carlow in the championship.

You are probably right in saying Roscommon would expect to be beating those teams but Id also expect those teams to fancy beating Roscommon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 30, 2018, 01:56:07 PM
Other than a home win to Mayo Kildare beat Derry, Longford and Fermanagh and have zero points in the super 8's.

Either you are saying that Derry, Longford and Fermanagh prove that Kildare are a much better team OR are taking the victory over Mayo as a better barometer than zero points during a league campaign and championship defeat to Carlow.

Down should have beaten Cavan in the qualifiers (and that was coming from the Cavan manager), beat Roscommon in the league and were beaten by two points by Clare.  That to me says there is much of a muchness between the teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on July 30, 2018, 02:20:10 PM
(https://www.newry.ie/photos/ten-years-ago/armagh-v-down-march-2005#!col_3069)


Just 5 short years later this team came within a kick or two of glory. You'd have to believe in us HS?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 30, 2018, 02:26:52 PM
Kildare have beaten one team that is higher than Div 3 so far this year and if they were to play that team 10 times again they would likely be beaten on 9 occasions.

Can you not see your double standards here ? 

Kildare matched Monaghan and Galway but were still beaten and so belong at that level.
Down match Roscommon, Clare and Cavan but are not at their level ?

You are letting your hatred of all things Down blinker any common sense you might have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 30, 2018, 02:42:00 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 30, 2018, 02:31:27 PM
Nonsense. Down are nowhere near to the performances Kildare produced in this year's championship (aside from a slip up to Carlow). They aren't at the same level at all.
Down may be around the same level as Clare & Cavan but aren't as good as them.
Roscommon are better than them all.

Can you go back to the Antrim forum, I know the football/hurling teams are without a home - but there is a home for discussion on how crap Antrim are, can you not put your time to use bringing up suggestions and discussion on how youse can get out of the hole you are in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 30, 2018, 02:42:15 PM
Ok its nonsense then.

Your coming on spouting stuff about Down not being this that or the other and then back it up with absolutely nothing but your opinion which is clouded to say the least.

Roscommon have been absolutely dire in this years championship and  Down beat them by five points in Roscommon in the league yet they are better than anything outside of the top 6.  Do you think that Down would have been beaten by 18 points by Tyrone or was that their slip up like Kildare's was against Carlow.

...And I'm the one talking nonsense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 30, 2018, 02:44:38 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 30, 2018, 02:42:00 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 30, 2018, 02:31:27 PM
Nonsense. Down are nowhere near to the performances Kildare produced in this year’s championship (aside from a slip up to Carlow). They aren’t at the same level at all.
Down may be around the same level as Clare & Cavan but aren’t as good as them.
Roscommon are better than them all.

Can you go back to the Antrim forum, I know the football/hurling teams are without a home - but there is a home for discussion on how crap Antrim are, can you not put your time to use bringing up suggestions and discussion on how youse can get out of the hole you are in

In fairness to him I think he accepts that Antrim football is absolutely rank.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 30, 2018, 02:58:10 PM
Suggesting they could make it with the correct management in place hardstation. As could 8/9 other teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 30, 2018, 03:03:20 PM
They were one game away from making the last 8 last year with a terrible management team I don't think it would be that unbelievable to think that with a decent management team they could go one step further.  Maybe not likely but certainly possible with a decent draw in Ulster and the qualifiers.

Roscommon are not a Super 8 team yet are in the Super 8's.  Down are not a super 8 team yet in the same way could easy make the Super 8's given the difference between the 7th and 18th in the country is minimal.  If we only had to beat Leitrim and Armagh id be confident enough.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on July 30, 2018, 03:53:24 PM
If there is one county the length and breadth of Ireland that are predictably surprising it is ourselves. It gives us our swagger.

Therefore coming on here saying that Down would be a surprise is a waste of fingernails.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on July 30, 2018, 04:05:46 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on July 30, 2018, 09:15:02 AM
So you reckon we wont be in with a shout of promotion to division 2 next year ?  By all accounts we were one result away from staying in Div 2 this year so 20th - 30th would be as much of an exaggeration as top 8.

Yep.

I'd be surprised if we got promoted.

Indeed, I'd be less surprised if we got relegated again.

For those saying it couldn't happen - Derry are now in Division 4. For all the strength of their club game, their county seniors are trading on past glories.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 30, 2018, 04:19:22 PM
I wouldn't be surprised with either a promotion or a relegation. We're clearly not in the top bracket and a couple of decent wins last year (after scraping a draw with Cork to stay in D2) do not cover up how pathetic 2018 and 2016 (and most of 2017) were, but with a bit of luck, a good management team in place and buy in from the players, there's no reason that we can't be competing towards the top of the group outside the top 6.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 30, 2018, 04:22:14 PM
All depends on who the management team is.  The players are there to get out of Div 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on July 30, 2018, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 30, 2018, 03:06:55 PM
Looking to next year. It is very unlikely that Down will make the last 8.
Roscommon have a chance. The provincial system may suit them but they are also better than Down.

Is that you Gearoid??  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on July 30, 2018, 05:05:46 PM
If you were aware of how poorly the leaving management team were thought of both by the supporters and by the players themselves then you would probably agree that there is more potential than they are showing.  There was a raft of players that left the panel during their tenure which doesn't reflect well on them either.  The simple fact was that they should never have the job in the first place and were way out of his depth from the start.

Of course the players would need to look at themselves as well but the fact that they achieved results against Armagh and Monaghan last year tells me there is more in them than the majority of the performances in the last 3 years suggest.  It would be my opinion that the players there are at least middle of the road Div 2 players and with a proper structure and motivation even further up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 01, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
Wobbler-Are you doing a club championship preview this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 01, 2018, 04:00:17 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 01, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
Wobbler-Are you doing a club championship preview this year?

It's a long time from I done one of those Jim.

The thing I want to see from SFC this year is 6-8 teams believing they can win, and genuinely willing themselves towards, the Frank O'Hare. It is so long since it was a competitive competition that most clubs - even if they make noises otherwise - just haven't the culture needed to see off Kilcoo.

We need our every last club to turn every match against them into a fight to the death, to see where the chinks in their armour lie, and then bite, bark and frustrate them to the final whistle. For the likes of Burren, Mayobridge and Bryansford, this means a few of the more individual types taking one for the team and playing the role needed rather than the role wanted.

This isn't anti-Kilcoo by the way. I've nothing but respect for themmuns. But our county needs a competitive championship, and if Kilcoo manage to get trough one of those, they'll be more ripe for Ulster.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 01, 2018, 04:51:00 PM
I think Kilcoo are vulnerable but they have the winning mentality which is worth at least 3 points to them. But I was impressed at how our younger players coped last Thursday night under pressure.
If they win Down they would have a great chance to win Ulster with the shenanigans at Slaughtneil at present.
Big game for Clonduff tonight with their recent form being poor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kingpins on August 01, 2018, 06:55:05 PM
Kilcoo have been hugely successful in down over the last decade and for a small area, really you have to congratulate them and tip your hat to them but lets be honest they were never good enough to capture that ulster title and what was even far more dissapointing was the manner and personality they shown to gaels outside our county. For me thats the bigger reason why our county clubs needs to topple them, at end of the day its a sport with no place for the racism allegations, the sickening verbals to opposing teams, the eye gouging and to bring things to a new low it was shameful to watch one of their own push a woman to the ground last week in full view of public and children!! Yes unfortunately that is how our county club football scene is represented and portrayed to those outside the county.. for me ultimately  that is the most dissapointing thing to sit alongside the fact that while dominating down they were unable to display any silverware or class in ulster!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 01, 2018, 09:55:22 PM
Clonduff 1-10 14 Castlewellan
Bryansford 11 6 Ballyholland

Big result for Castlewellan tonight they are coming into a bit of form at the right time. Another poor result for Clonduff. Ballyholland on the slide too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 02, 2018, 12:37:34 AM
Relegation battle is shaping up nicely; Rostrevor/Ballyholland in a slump, Castlewellan recovering
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 02, 2018, 08:45:25 AM
Quote from: befair on August 02, 2018, 12:37:34 AM
Relegation battle is shaping up nicely; Rostrevor/Ballyholland in a slump, Castlewellan recovering
I think Downpatrick should be more worried than Rostrevor or Ballyholland. Some big games to come between the bottom teams over the next month.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 02, 2018, 11:08:55 AM
I would be slightly concerned if I was Ballyholland coming into the championship. Yes they have a handy draw but they just don't score enough to beat anyone decent. Only Clanna Banna Dromara Mitchels and ballykinlar have score less in all divisions and the last 3 have played 5 less matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 02, 2018, 12:36:34 PM
9 goals in 17 games is a poor return especially when their main forward in over 35 and plays as a lone striker.
Carryduff will certainly be no walk over
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 02, 2018, 01:26:26 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 02, 2018, 12:36:34 PM
9 goals in 17 games is a poor return especially when their main forward in over 35 and plays as a lone striker.
Carryduff will certainly be no walk over
Would have thought T Rushe was only about 20/21 years old
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 02, 2018, 01:57:02 PM
Rushe plays at chf but mostly is at chb
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 02, 2018, 04:13:24 PM
Rushe was a decent minor with good potential but has not carried that form through to senior level. He is just a bang average club player now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 02, 2018, 07:57:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 02, 2018, 04:13:24 PM
Rushe was a decent minor with good potential but has not carried that form through to senior level. He is just a bang average club player now.

Genuine question/observation, I have always liked Rushe and thought that he could push on to bigger and better things with club and county. However he seems to have sacrificed himself to Ballyhollands defensive setup which pushes him further away from where he is most dangerous. Would I be right in my opinion/observation that this is possibly the root cause of of him levelling out so to speak??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 02, 2018, 08:51:45 PM
Seems to lack physical strength for senior football. Was a brilliant minor and potential Down senior but like so many failed to push on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 02, 2018, 10:34:21 PM
He'll probably score more for Newry City than he would for Ballyholland!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on August 03, 2018, 01:06:43 AM
Concern I think for harps is a lot of older players who have don't great work for them throughout their careers are coming to possibly their final year. What is the future like for them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 03, 2018, 08:40:58 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 02, 2018, 07:57:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 02, 2018, 04:13:24 PM
Rushe was a decent minor with good potential but has not carried that form through to senior level. He is just a bang average club player now.

Genuine question/observation, I have always liked Rushe and thought that he could push on to bigger and better things with club and county. However he seems to have sacrificed himself to Ballyhollands defensive setup which pushes him further away from where he is most dangerous. Would I be right in my opinion/observation that this is possibly the root cause of of him levelling out so to speak??
Probably is a factor as the lad has always played in forward positions but a lot of players play out of position for their clubs when required, adapt and still manage to put in good performances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 03, 2018, 03:38:38 PM
There should be a big crowd in the Point tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 03, 2018, 06:34:20 PM
Festival on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 06, 2018, 11:27:34 AM
Has anyone any prices for the weekend games??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on August 06, 2018, 12:55:02 PM
£8 in for double header. Some of them venues will have loads of headers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 06, 2018, 01:32:12 PM
I think he's looking the betting!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 06, 2018, 01:52:17 PM
Yes the betting??

Is their a championship ticket this season??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 06, 2018, 02:31:51 PM
Any bookmakers doing odds for winners of the intermediate championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 06, 2018, 02:56:40 PM
Just seen PRFC results, Kilcoo beaten?? Have they not won the last few titles? Ford must be a good side??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 06, 2018, 09:56:06 PM
Quote from: maldini on August 06, 2018, 02:31:51 PM
Any bookmakers doing odds for winners of the intermediate championship?

Can't find any. Who you fancy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 07, 2018, 12:25:00 AM
Quote from: downjim on August 06, 2018, 01:52:17 PM
Yes the betting??

Is their a championship ticket this season??

Season ticket for quarter finals onwards.

As normal betting prices probably only released a day or so before games begin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 07, 2018, 10:02:11 AM
I hope they don't put patrons of with price, QF upwards £35 would be sufficient
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JohnStones on August 08, 2018, 11:00:04 PM
I reckon Burren to win Seniors, Liatroim Intermediate, Burren win Minors.
Is there a Junior championship? Dont see fixtures. Teconnaught if there is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 09, 2018, 10:27:49 AM
Down player wants Steven Poacher as coach. Let's make it happen. The players have spoken
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 09, 2018, 01:24:37 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 09, 2018, 10:27:49 AM
Down player wants Steven Poacher as coach. Let's make it happen. The players have spoken
just one player ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 09, 2018, 01:34:12 PM
Player but says players want him in. The last 2 years was wasted he says. This is from our best player
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on August 09, 2018, 01:39:27 PM
Darren said that>?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 09, 2018, 01:41:14 PM
Yes and wants Geroid Adams in to manage us. Darren is our best player and x captain
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Post by: downjim on August 09, 2018, 03:00:03 PM
I did not Darren got onto next years squad-congrats
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 09, 2018, 03:34:11 PM
What's that Jim? Players saying last 2 years were a waste and players were dead and had no bite. That is the managements fault
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Post by: downjim on August 09, 2018, 04:19:34 PM
The former captain  says it was dead, I hope he told Eamon that. No bite in playing for your county-come on. I love O'Hagan but there was no need for that interview.

What players do they ask?? What is next years panel?

Anyway on to the serious stuff, Saval at 4/1 tonight looks tasty
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 09, 2018, 05:44:02 PM
I'll advised interview from Darren and some silly comments made in it that the set up has been dead and that the players had no bite this past couple of years. Then to say Adams is a great coach later in the interview? Not sure what the interview has achieved accept say Darren wants a man in that was in the last set up who couldn't get the players going in training and couldn't get them going in matches. No bite and a dead atmosphere would be something to do with the backroom team. The GL are pushing for certain men to get into the set up as they are a journalist dream. The 5 men committee may not be so gullible.
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Post by: charlieTully on August 09, 2018, 10:25:40 PM
how did tonights games go?
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 09, 2018, 10:31:45 PM
Saval won by 4 after extra time. The bookies had Clonduff at 1-12 on which by that reckoning makes it a massive shock. Some players heads elsewhere
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Post by: charlieTully on August 09, 2018, 10:36:34 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 09, 2018, 10:31:45 PM
Saval won by 4 after extra time. The bookies had Clonduff at 1-12 on which by that reckoning makes it a massive shock. Some players heads elsewhere

cheers Smurfy.
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Post by: Targetman on August 09, 2018, 11:22:28 PM
Charlie you'll be pleased to hear Annaclone won, beat glasdrummond 12-2 in a thriller!!
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Post by: charlieTully on August 10, 2018, 12:21:37 AM
Quote from: Targetman on August 09, 2018, 11:22:28 PM
Charlie you'll be pleased to hear Annaclone won, beat glasdrummond 12-2 in a thriller!!

delighted lad,  :'(, rough couple of years there when I had to pretend to like them.
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Post by: downjim on August 10, 2018, 08:43:11 AM
Any Clonduff men want to say what's going on in Hilltown. This year is going from bad to worse, I honestly thought Ross Carr had moved the Yellows to a top 4 club. They are in free fall
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 10, 2018, 08:47:31 AM
Ross Carr had established Clonduff as a top team in Down football got them to a championship final and decent championship wins along the way. Again player power raised its head in Clonduff and after Ross agreeing that he was going back for another term the players wanted him out. Maybe some players want managers to be their friends?
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Post by: downjim on August 10, 2018, 11:50:18 AM
Tally the new front runner??
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Post by: downjim on August 10, 2018, 03:15:21 PM
The kingdom are 6/1 in a two horse race? Surely they are worth a tenner
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 10, 2018, 05:01:52 PM
Well at last they have picked a panel to select a manager with some brains. Only took a few attempts. Any other names linked?
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 10, 2018, 05:31:48 PM
Either or at least they are thinking outside the box.
I'm getting at whoever picked the last manager hardstation
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Post by: SamFever on August 10, 2018, 09:31:27 PM
Super Stevie(the Player(s) choice) didn't do too well this evening. :-[
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Post by: Targetman on August 10, 2018, 09:58:33 PM
The Carryduff manager (don't know who he is) for Down job!!
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 10, 2018, 10:34:50 PM
Another shock tonight. Carryduff must be decent?
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Post by: thebar on August 10, 2018, 10:38:12 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 10, 2018, 10:34:50 PM
Another shock tonight. Carryduff must be decent?

If you have watched Ballyholland the year you'd know they are going bad. They are very poor at the minute. Fair play Carryduff though.
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Post by: Hedgehunter on August 10, 2018, 11:04:43 PM
I fancy the blues to shock Burren too myself...
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 10, 2018, 11:12:55 PM
Yes I have seen them play and are not great but they are a hard team to beat. S P would have been 1 of the men I would have liked to see in the Down set up but what the he'll has happened him? Has he taken his eye off the ball? Credit to Carryduff though what a win. Did they play senior championship last year?
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Post by: snoopdog on August 11, 2018, 06:24:03 PM
Paddy Tally will be available to talk to in 17 mins.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 11, 2018, 08:07:19 PM
Big win for Castlewellan today. Big golf between 1st and 2nd division
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Post by: maldini on August 11, 2018, 08:16:39 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 06, 2018, 09:56:06 PM
Quote from: maldini on August 06, 2018, 02:31:51 PM
Any bookmakers doing odds for winners of the intermediate championship?

Can't find any. Who you fancy?

Darragh Cross
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Post by: charlieTully on August 11, 2018, 08:26:17 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 11, 2018, 08:07:19 PM
Big win for Castlewellan today. Big golf between 1st and 2nd division

Major.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 11, 2018, 08:48:27 PM
Kilcoo giving Bryansford a lesson. How the hell have ford 4 county men?
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Post by: MK on August 11, 2018, 09:02:20 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 11, 2018, 08:26:17 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 11, 2018, 08:07:19 PM
Big win for Castlewellan today. Big golf between 1st and 2nd division

Major.


Yes a MAJOR gulf-just look at the ballyholland/carryduff result  ::) ::)
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Post by: gaaman2016 on August 11, 2018, 09:08:06 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 11, 2018, 08:07:19 PM
Big win for Castlewellan today. Big golf between 1st and 2nd division

Yeah because Ballyholland hammered Carryduff didn't they 🙄
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Post by: SHEEDY on August 11, 2018, 09:12:10 PM
castlewellan won 0-9 to 0-5, hardly a big win. kilcoo far from their best but won easy.
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Post by: MK on August 11, 2018, 09:20:47 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 11, 2018, 09:12:10 PM
castlewellan won 0-9 to 0-5, hardly a big win. kilcoo far from their best but won easy.

and the div.2 team(carryduff) actually beat the div.1 team by a greater margin....
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Post by: Targetman on August 11, 2018, 09:31:32 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 11, 2018, 08:48:27 PM
Kilcoo giving Bryansford a lesson. How the hell have ford 4 county men?
Eamon Burns being from Bryansford could be a factor!!
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 12, 2018, 04:43:46 PM
Downpatrick with 4 county men beaten by Glenn who are fifth in division 2. And we wonder why we are not competing at senior level.
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Post by: Hedgehunter on August 12, 2018, 05:17:01 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 12, 2018, 04:43:46 PM
Downpatrick with 4 county men beaten by Glenn who are fifth in division 2. And we wonder why we are not competing at senior level.

Ach sure the gap between division 1 & 2 is scandalous... Glenn were well worth their win even played 45mins with 14 men. Turley was really the only one that showed for RGU, had a good battle with McParland. The two millers were very good for Glenn.
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Post by: downjim on August 12, 2018, 05:19:32 PM
The front door looks the best way to go through, some good sides could be having an early break next week.
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Post by: gaaman2016 on August 12, 2018, 06:28:18 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 12, 2018, 04:43:46 PM
Downpatrick with 4 county men beaten by Glenn who are fifth in division 2. And we wonder why we are not competing at senior level.

What's your point? Glenn had three players that started both Ulster games this year
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 12, 2018, 06:33:46 PM
My point is they should not have 4 players on the county squad. Thought I made that point very clear? If not now I do gaa man
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Post by: gaaman2016 on August 12, 2018, 07:16:39 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 12, 2018, 06:33:46 PM
My point is they should not have 4 players on the county squad. Thought I made that point very clear? If not now I do gaa man

In that case (despite the result today) given that Glenn are mid table in Division 2, should they have 3 starters? I personally don't have an issue with 3 boys on the panel from RGU. If others won't commit someone has to be on the panel

On Glenn ,they got beat in Division 2  last week by 24 points so fair play to them for turning that around. Surely goes down as one of the biggest upsets in Down GAA history given the gulf in class between Division 1 and 2  ::) ::)
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 12, 2018, 10:58:54 PM
All but 1 game done and Kilcoo still the team to beat
CPN good win tonight in a tricky match
Stilll sticking to my predictions CPN V KILCOO final
Jim all the pressure now on you
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Post by: elk on August 12, 2018, 11:53:22 PM
Don't think too many teams would be worried about CPN on tonight's performance
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 12, 2018, 11:57:44 PM
7 point win over Neighbours Rostrevor a great win. Nobody will want us either
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Post by: downjim on August 13, 2018, 08:38:59 AM
No pressure on us, a young side for the future. No chance for anyone with Kilcoo and the illustrious CPN ready to battle it out in October. I was down the town on Saturday night and yous really fancy your chances this year. Don't forget to book off them Mondays now.
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Post by: upandwin on August 13, 2018, 10:04:33 AM
One would've been forgiven for thinking you lot won the Championship after beating Kilcoo a fortnight ago ClownJim...I'd tell you to book your days off but I've a feeling you don't have anywhere to be on Monday mornings...Maybe you should stop worrying about other clubs all the time and get your own house in order...Have yas sent the annual invite for Breakfast to Slaughtneil yet or just waiting to see who draws the Magpies in Ulster? ;)
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 13, 2018, 10:10:00 AM
No real shocks with the weekend games. Last nights game was a no-brainer. Disappointed at the quality however and definitely expected more from Rostrevor in a derby game. Point have undoubted quality but Rostrevor just dont have same calibre of player available. They also arent getting best from key men. They more or less rolled over and had their bellies tickled by the Point for long spells.

Same could be said for Kilcoo game really. Again wasnt played with the intensity or needle of a championship derby. Bryansford need a hard look at themselves. Carry to much quality in their ranks to be poncing about from year to year underchieving.

Cant see Loughinisland troubling Burren tonight.
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Post by: downjim on August 13, 2018, 10:16:41 AM
Does the championship start on Thursday again? Kilcoo looked to have a few newbies playing
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Post by: thebar on August 13, 2018, 10:45:05 AM
Burren need to be beating Loughinisland pulling up if they have any notion of a championship.
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Post by: Mike Tyson on August 13, 2018, 10:52:24 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 13, 2018, 10:10:00 AM
No real shocks with the weekend games. Last nights game was a no-brainer. Disappointed at the quality however and definitely expected more from Rostrevor in a derby game. Point have undoubted quality but Rostrevor just dont have same calibre of player available. They also arent getting best from key men. They more or less rolled over and had their bellies tickled by the Point for long spells.

Same could be said for Kilcoo game really. Again wasnt played with the intensity or needle of a championship derby. Bryansford need a hard look at themselves. Carry to much quality in their ranks to be poncing about from year to year underchieving.

Cant see Loughinisland troubling Burren tonight.

:o
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Post by: Hedgehunter on August 13, 2018, 10:58:25 AM
Quote from: downjim on August 13, 2018, 10:16:41 AM
Does the championship start on Thursday again? Kilcoo looked to have a few newbies playing
Yes, Burren are slated to Play Clonduff in Annsborough.
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Post by: downjim on August 13, 2018, 11:21:03 AM
Annsborough not a bad pitch, anything's better than the Glenn surface
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Post by: elk on August 13, 2018, 12:14:17 PM
Quote from: thebar on August 13, 2018, 10:45:05 AM
Burren need to be beating Loughinisland pulling up if they have any notion of a championship.
They should beat Loughisland easily sure aren't they form team in the county after beating Kilcoo and CPN in top of the league clashes. They will probably do the league/championship double now!
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Post by: Hedgehunter on August 13, 2018, 12:58:27 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 13, 2018, 11:21:03 AM
Annsborough not a bad pitch, anything's better than the Glenn surface
Aye but sure we're selling a few lotto tickets, so what's your problem now??
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Post by: Mourne Red on August 13, 2018, 07:51:15 PM
What a result for Attical?!
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Post by: SHEEDY on August 13, 2018, 08:43:55 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 13, 2018, 07:51:15 PM
What a result for Attical?!
some comeback, liatroim were 6pts up at half time and still 5 up with 10 mins left.  attical end up winning by 2pts.  2-12 to 0-16.
burren 5pts up at h/t.
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Post by: Mourne Red on August 13, 2018, 09:42:04 PM
Anyone get the Intermediate draw??
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Post by: SHEEDY on August 13, 2018, 09:45:09 PM
SFC Winners draw:
Carryduff v burren
Mayobridge v saval
Kilcoo v castlewellan
CPN v glenn

Losers draw:
An riocht v downpatrick
Ballyholland v clonduff
Loughinisland v longstone
Bryansford v rostrevor
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Post by: supersub on August 13, 2018, 11:15:43 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 13, 2018, 09:42:04 PM
Anyone get the Intermediate draw??

IFC


Tullylish v Drumaness
Darraghcross v Atticall
Ballymartin v St Johns
Shamrocks v St Johns


Dundrum v Liatroim
Drumgath v Glasdrumman
Bedraggled v Bosco
Clann Na Banna v Saul
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 14, 2018, 12:10:58 AM
The runaway leaders in division 2 were a mile behind Burren tonight. Burren second gear. Loughinisland will go straight back down next year. How many balls did they give away
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Post by: downjim on August 14, 2018, 08:46:15 AM
I would not say miles behind, the blues had chances but they failed to punish us. They were missing another good forward. They will beat the Stone and could make a QF. On present form it looks like Burren, Kilcoo, CPN and Bridge semis but there has been plenty of shocks so far.

Any word on venues??
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Post by: Cuan12 on August 14, 2018, 09:24:01 AM
Smurfy , you for real, Burren in second gear, island had chances and did give the ball away but they won't fear Burren if we are lucky enough to get through to q/f, hopefully not played under lights, but Burren were the team looking for final whistle and went to sweeper because they didn't fancy 15 on 15 when island were coming back in second half, I will say this though Burren won't win championship
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Post by: east down gael on August 14, 2018, 09:26:12 AM
What time today do the county board release times,dates and venues anyone know?
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Post by: Mourne Red on August 14, 2018, 09:34:38 AM
Quote from: east down gael on August 14, 2018, 09:26:12 AM
What time today do the county board release times,dates and venues anyone know?

From past few years they are usually released around lunch time (1-2) on their Facebook page.
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Post by: thebar on August 14, 2018, 10:36:21 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 14, 2018, 12:10:58 AM
The runaway leaders in division 2 were a mile behind Burren tonight. Burren second gear. Loughinisland will go straight back down next year. How many balls did they give away

You know anything about football fella? 1 score in it at the final whistle and you think Loughinisland are miles behind?  ;D ;D ;D Cant see past Kilcoo even at this stage they are just too good with too many options to be beat...
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Post by: Hedgehunter on August 14, 2018, 10:44:13 AM
CPN v Glenn 3pm Saturday in Mayobridge..
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Post by: angermanagement on August 14, 2018, 10:45:14 AM
Would Rory Mason not be worth a shout with the county?
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Post by: Hedgehunter on August 14, 2018, 10:48:42 AM
Quote from: angermanagement on August 14, 2018, 10:45:14 AM
Would Rory Mason not be worth a shout with the county?

Absolutely, along with a few others from Loughinisland.
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Post by: gaaman2016 on August 14, 2018, 10:50:22 AM
I think Loughinisland can play a lot better than they did last night. Big step up in intensity from what they are used to. Forwards didn't get the same space they do in Div 2. Will stand to them should they progress further.

Hard to look past Kilcoo
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Post by: thebar on August 14, 2018, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: angermanagement on August 14, 2018, 10:45:14 AM
Would Rory Mason not be worth a shout with the county?

I think so for sure.
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Post by: Ulsterman09 on August 14, 2018, 12:50:31 PM
Wow, what's with all the neglect on the blues? Not bad running the second best team to within a score. L'island just didn't take their chances, had too many wides and missed goal chances. Compared to burren who were efficient. Did Lisland not beat the up and rising CPN last year? 😱 to say they are miles behind is a real insult. Island looked to b the team on top. Wouldn't over hype a first round championship match that wasn't knock out, and burren should know 👀
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Post by: downjim on August 14, 2018, 12:58:51 PM
I would not say we are the second best team and expectations are not as high this year but it was good to see so many younger players getting their chance last night. Mason and the two midfielders could be worked with.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 15, 2018, 05:12:54 PM
What outsider got the job? Reported on social media?
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Post by: Hedgehunter on August 15, 2018, 06:16:48 PM
Tally?
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Post by: Ed Hardy on August 15, 2018, 07:25:03 PM
Is that Harrison and McParland both away for next year now? Massive blow already for whoever takes the job.
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Post by: snoopdog on August 15, 2018, 10:35:09 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on August 15, 2018, 07:25:03 PM
Is that Harrison and McParland both away for next year now? Massive blow already for whoever takes the job.
Which Harrison? Keeper of fwd?
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Post by: Oldhacker on August 15, 2018, 11:15:21 PM
Connaire Harrison is working in London at the moment but he is due home in the autumn. It would be pretty surprising if he is not available for our soon to be appointed new manager.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 15, 2018, 11:34:37 PM
When's the white smoke oldhacker? Something needs to happen soon as social media in overdrive
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 16, 2018, 08:11:42 AM
Who is he big name that has pulled out of the Down job?
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Post by: elk on August 16, 2018, 09:26:03 AM
Must be Poacher
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 16, 2018, 09:27:44 AM
Farcical.
Newsflash!....narcissistic self-made guru and nutjob rules himself out of running for Down job.

BIG NAME. ;D
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 16, 2018, 01:05:43 PM
I now see on the hoganstand website that Aidan O Rourke and Stephen Poacher are the favourites to take over in Cavan. Explains today's article in Irish news
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Post by: downjim on August 16, 2018, 02:19:25 PM
You need to be in race first before you pull out of it 😂😂😂
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Post by: charlieTully on August 16, 2018, 04:09:27 PM
is there any matches on sun evening?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JohnStones on August 16, 2018, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 16, 2018, 02:19:25 PM
You need to be in race first before you pull out of it 😂😂😂

Are you James McGrath DownJim? Wondering.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on August 16, 2018, 05:29:52 PM
Quote from: JohnStones on August 16, 2018, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 16, 2018, 02:19:25 PM
You need to be in race first before you pull out of it 😂😂😂

Are you James McGrath DownJim? Wondering.
And he is going to answer Yes and I'm Ross Carr!Catch yourself on guessing who people are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 16, 2018, 05:32:29 PM
Quote from: JohnStones on August 16, 2018, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 16, 2018, 02:19:25 PM
You need to be in race first before you pull out of it 😂😂😂

Are you James McGrath DownJim? Wondering.
Sure that would mean he's a Warrenpoint man not a Burren man, not possible !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on August 16, 2018, 09:14:18 PM
What the hell has happened the kingdom?23 points down early in second half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 16, 2018, 10:09:15 PM
Clonduff and Downpatrick safely through. Ballyholland and An Riocht the first 2 teams eliminated fro this years seniors championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 16, 2018, 10:25:53 PM
Quote from: elk on August 16, 2018, 05:32:29 PM
Quote from: JohnStones on August 16, 2018, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 16, 2018, 02:19:25 PM
You need to be in race first before you pull out of it 😂😂😂

Are you James McGrath DownJim? Wondering.
Sure that would mean he's a Warrenpoint man not a Burren man, not possible !
And before that a Drumgath man and a Downpatrick man!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 17, 2018, 01:49:50 PM
Hopefully Castlewellan and Saval can provide a shock tonight. Two is asking a lot but we all can pray.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on August 17, 2018, 03:08:41 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 17, 2018, 01:49:50 PM
Hopefully Castlewellan and Saval can provide a shock tonight. Two is asking a lot but we all can pray.

As long as they stay away from the post match meals they'll be ok.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on August 17, 2018, 07:59:05 PM
I've had enough.

So where does the highly egotistical and self professed coaching guru go now? First club dumped out of the senior championship last night with a customary defensive performance when I always thought that you actually needed to score to win games. A few weeks ago according to him Down needed to modernise and he was the man to do it but now he has come up with the old excuse that the County Board don't want him, does he want people to beg him to do it? Him pushing the county players to put it in the press that they really wanted him was a really pathetic way about doing things. I tell you what if I was on the receiving end of some of his very mouthy instructions he was roaring last night, fffing his own players left right and centre then expecting them to work for him, then I would be telling him where to go. I also thought that he knew it all but he puts on a hat to hide the fact that he is miked up to someone in the stand, it obviously didn't work too well either. So it looks like he'll be heading back to Carlow with his tail between his legs as more than likely Cavan will be going in house after himself and Aidan O'Rourke won't get that job by all accounts. You wouldn't be too happy as a Carlow man if your coach was trying to move away when a few months ago during all the Carlow rising bullshit he had committed to another year and they were going to kill dead things in Division 3 then suddenly he doesn't fancy it. What is he all about? I know one thing, I would not have paid into Newry or followed Down all over Ireland if I thought that the shit I have watched Ballyholland play over the last few years was the same style that Down would be playing with him as a coach. It's a blessing he won't be involved with us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 17, 2018, 08:04:33 PM
So you wouldn't be a fan of Poacher then!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 17, 2018, 09:42:28 PM
Quote from: Lotto on August 17, 2018, 07:59:05 PM
I've had enough.

So where does the highly egotistical and self professed coaching guru go now? First club dumped out of the senior championship last night with a customary defensive performance when I always thought that you actually needed to score to win games. A few weeks ago according to him Down needed to modernise and he was the man to do it but now he has come up with the old excuse that the County Board don't want him, does he want people to beg him to do it? Him pushing the county players to put it in the press that they really wanted him was a really pathetic way about doing things. I tell you what if I was on the receiving end of some of his very mouthy instructions he was roaring last night, fffing his own players left right and centre then expecting them to work for him, then I would be telling him where to go. I also thought that he knew it all but he puts on a hat to hide the fact that he is miked up to someone in the stand, it obviously didn't work too well either. So it looks like he'll be heading back to Carlow with his tail between his legs as more than likely Cavan will be going in house after himself and Aidan O'Rourke won't get that job by all accounts. You wouldn't be too happy as a Carlow man if your coach was trying to move away when a few months ago during all the Carlow rising bullshit he had committed to another year and they were going to kill dead things in Division 3 then suddenly he doesn't fancy it. What is he all about? I know one thing, I would not have paid into Newry or followed Down all over Ireland if I thought that the shit I have watched Ballyholland play over the last few years was the same style that Down would be playing with him as a coach. It's a blessing he won't be involved with us.

Have you said to him you've had enough? Or just come on here to be an anonymous troll??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 17, 2018, 09:43:56 PM
Cracker first post.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on August 17, 2018, 10:06:32 PM
As a coach I have heard he is very good and he obviously tries to get the players to do what he wants but watching him last night when fffing off the players to get them to move either back or forward, they either didn't listen to him or took an age to do what he wanted them to do. This does not seem like a team playing for their manager but the Down players seem to think he is the answer to their prayers, conveniently forgetting that he has insulted most of them during his time as Ballyholland manager with the verbals he always gives to the opposition. His constant hand clapping, swearing, abuse of his own and away players, giving out to referees, pitch intrusions, never mind his acting up and getting involved with the crowd and tell me this, would any of this change if he was involved with Down? This is not the way a so called top coach, who he professes to be, should behave. We  have all had men in our youth who lead us in a certain way either in clubs, schools or whatever but watching from the stands if I was playing for that man I would hate to be playing the football that man is saying Down needs to modernise to. And this is the man so many want to take us forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on August 17, 2018, 10:10:51 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 17, 2018, 09:42:28 PM
Have you said to him you've had enough? Or just come on here to be an anonymous troll??

I have
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on August 18, 2018, 12:49:49 AM
Good performance from the Bridge, I'd say most likely finalists along side kilcoo. Annett looks like some player, wouldn't be surprised if universities and clubs from over the water are fighting for him in the next few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 18, 2018, 09:12:21 AM
Lotto your nuts but you will be a laugh. Kilcoo and Bridge through to the quarters will CPN and Burren join them? Ballyholland first team out but the do have a great youth system so it will be interesting if SP stays and brings through the outstanding talent. Any more word on the manager they would be wise to get it done for next weekend as 12 teams are still involved in both the senior and intermediate championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 18, 2018, 09:27:43 AM
Poacher has left harps according to Twitter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 18, 2018, 09:47:45 AM
Did he get the Cavan job?
Confirmed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on August 18, 2018, 09:52:24 AM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on August 18, 2018, 12:49:49 AM
Good performance from the Bridge, I'd say most likely finalists along side kilcoo. Annett looks like some player, wouldn't be surprised if universities and clubs from over the water are fighting for him in the next few years.

Bridge won but I thought they looked very average...Saval stayed with them for long periods and went a point ahead half way through the second half but the 2nd bridge goal was vital when there was nothing between the sides. Agree Annett does look like a decent one and hes quick too...nice footballer. Saval will put it up to most and wouldnt rule them out of progressing further. The bridge are hit and miss...to me they look like a team searching for there best 15 and still haven't found them yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 18, 2018, 10:44:11 AM
The bridge loook very fit and well organised but the struggle to put the ball over the bar. That's 2 weeks in a row where there forwards squandered easy scoring chances. Looking at the final 8 you would be thinking Kilcoo CPN Burren Bridge Loughinisland Clonduff Ford Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 18, 2018, 11:14:43 AM
If the Bridge could convert their scores they would win most games with ease, Saval threw  everything at them but they still were six points off. Madine was well marshalled last night but McCarthy in midfield for Saval was strong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on August 18, 2018, 12:07:46 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 18, 2018, 09:47:45 AM
Did he get the Cavan job?
Confirmed?

No

Michael Graham proposed as Cavan Manager
Cavan County Board Management Committee last night ratified Michael Graham as the new Senior Football Team Manager. The committee are proposing Michael for ratification by county committee on Mon evening.
- Official Cavan GAA (@CavanCoBoardGaa) August 18, 2018

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 20, 2018, 11:26:52 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 29, 2018, 10:47:13 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 29, 2018, 08:00:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2018, 07:58:22 PM
I don't disagree that we are a long way off hard but I'm saying it is possible to make the super 8s. It will be hard to break into it but I believe one outsider will make it every year and possibly 2.
Limerick have not been a long way off making an All Ireland final. That's the point. Your comparison was nonsense.
.Plus the professionalism of the Limerick hurlers and the backroom team leaves Down in the ha'penny place.
Do a bit of research on them. Kielty, kinnerk and Co are serious operators funded by a certain JP McManus .
We're light years away

It's all about the ££££€€€€€€€

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk-qFMFXoAA011J.jpg)

And a well defined process of improving participation rates at schools levels;

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/how-success-of-munster-rugby-saved-limerick-hurling-37217211.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/how-success-of-munster-rugby-saved-limerick-hurling-37217211.html)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on August 20, 2018, 11:41:30 AM
Thought that myself once I heard the victory speech yesterday.

We may not have a JP but at least we have FD  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 20, 2018, 12:15:15 PM
Red Mourne - Surely the simple fact that everyone on here has anonymity defeats your point! I very much doubt all the opinions on here are shared with those who are the brunt of them.

On Poacher - A talented coach but I'm not sure he's the lead figure, could do very well as part of a Down set up.

Championship - Kilcoo streets ahead from the games I've seen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 20, 2018, 12:30:08 PM
From what I saw at the weekend, this championship can be won by 3/4 clubs. The town have no one to blame but themselves for not winning on Friday night, and while Kilcoo definitely have another gear, so do most other clubs that played at the weekend. Burren never tested but Liam Kerr could be the man to make the difference in bigger games. CPN were average at best but still think they have a couple of gears more in them and Glenn are never easily beaten. Mayobridge haven't totally convinced me and I do think they're lacking one or two forwards from being excellent. Prediction for last 8: Burren vrs Bryansford CPN vrs RGU, Bridge vrs Loughinisland and Kilcoo vrs Castlewellan. Kilcoo-Burren final again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 20, 2018, 02:48:04 PM
It should be the four quarter finalists into the semis and then it's the luck of the draw. CPN were not grear in Saturday and failed to cope with men behind the ball.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 20, 2018, 04:35:57 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 20, 2018, 02:48:04 PM
It should be the four quarter finalists into the semis and then it's the luck of the draw. CPN were not grear in Saturday and failed to cope with men behind the ball.
CPN definitely did struggle with the packed defense but Glenn started to tire in the second half and CPN took over until that strange goal at the end but CPN's fitness told in extra time. Have to say I was disappointed with the performances of the 3 Down men for Glenn and the one for CPN, did not stand out in a very ordinary game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 20, 2018, 06:53:31 PM
Quote from: elk on August 20, 2018, 04:35:57 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 20, 2018, 02:48:04 PM
It should be the four quarter finalists into the semis and then it's the luck of the draw. CPN were not grear in Saturday and failed to cope with men behind the ball.
CPN definitely did struggle with the packed defense but Glenn started to tire in the second half and CPN took over until that strange goal at the end but CPN's fitness told in extra time. Have to say I was disappointed with the performances of the 3 Down men for Glenn and the one for CPN, did not stand out in a very ordinary game.

Yes Glenn did tire towards the end, thought Ronan Millar and Gary McMahon were very good. McMahon most certainly saved CPN though in the 60mins. Although a tight game he saved 2 almost certain goals and good accurate kicking. Glenn's lack of depth showed in the end as they had very little to come on and freshen things up where as CPN did. We can definitely take credit from our 2 championship performances to date considering our severely indifferent league form.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 21, 2018, 12:42:01 AM
Thought they should have cut and lined out Pairc Esler before the championship games there tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 21, 2018, 02:45:46 AM
V disappointing result in Ballymartin tonight. Rostrevor were 6 pts ahead with 10 mins to go (actually 7 pts, as scoreboard was wrong), and we took off two of our strongest players and ball winners, conceded a soft goal + ended up losing by two points. Don't usually like to blame management, as we had enough chances to win two games, and should have been out of sight, but these were bizarre decisions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 21, 2018, 02:04:46 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 20, 2018, 06:53:31 PM
Quote from: elk on August 20, 2018, 04:35:57 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 20, 2018, 02:48:04 PM
It should be the four quarter finalists into the semis and then it's the luck of the draw. CPN were not grear in Saturday and failed to cope with men behind the ball.
CPN definitely did struggle with the packed defense but Glenn started to tire in the second half and CPN took over until that strange goal at the end but CPN's fitness told in extra time. Have to say I was disappointed with the performances of the 3 Down men for Glenn and the one for CPN, did not stand out in a very ordinary game.
Yes Glenn did tire towards the end, thought Ronan Millar and Gary McMahon were very good. McMahon most certainly saved CPN though in the 60mins. Although a tight game he saved 2 almost certain goals and good accurate kicking. Glenn's lack of depth showed in the end as they had very little to come on and freshen things up where as CPN did. We can definitely take credit from our 2 championship performances to date considering our severely indifferent league form.
That was always gonna be a tricky tie for CPN-Actually fancied Glenn to pip them before throw in (The reason Why I don't gamble)...Agreed thought Miller and McMahon were impressive but no eye catching performances on the day tbh other than them and Ryan Magee for CPN. Rostrevor put a good show on last night, Bryansford will count themselves extremely lucky to still be in this championship. Can't see them beating the town-But I've been wrong before ::)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 21, 2018, 09:27:14 PM
The Banty to be confirmed as the new Down manager going by tomorrow's Irish news. Jesus where did that come out off? Done very well with Monaghan minors this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on August 21, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 21, 2018, 09:27:14 PM
The Banty to be confirmed as the new Down manager going by tomorrow's Irish news. Jesus where did that come out off? Done very well with Monaghan minors this year

They tweeted that he had expressed an interest and had been in contact with the CB, I'm not sure that's quite as far as confirming him (unless there's something else?).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 21, 2018, 11:29:30 PM
It said he had been contacted by Down and has said he is interested. That's a curveball nobody seen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on August 22, 2018, 07:53:09 AM
I'd still be very surprised if it wasn't Paddy Tally, even more so if Benny Counter is alongside.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 22, 2018, 09:09:07 AM
Banty would be just another disaster like he was at meath and wexford. Would be better going with another 90s legend from within. I was ootimistic with Tally but not journey man banty. He is good with monaghan he should stay there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the goal was on on August 22, 2018, 09:14:27 AM
Back of Irish news will be all downs if Banty pulls this off!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 22, 2018, 09:22:55 AM
Anyone else hear Niall McAleenan is in on wee Petes ticket along with Barney?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 22, 2018, 12:39:00 PM
This is absolutely bizarre.
Farcical. And being played out in public too.

There needs to be an appointment made and pretty soon.
Theyd need to get it right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: haranguerer on August 22, 2018, 12:42:45 PM
Banty is a good gaa man, but that'd be an awful appointment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 22, 2018, 01:27:14 PM
Just you stay where you are Banty and don't be coming anyway near us lot, its time this was sorted out with Tally being my choice over some of the other candidates, I suppose it's keeping the Irish News with material to fill the back page!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 22, 2018, 01:28:21 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 22, 2018, 12:39:00 PM
This is absolutely bizarre.
Farcical. And being played out in public too.

There needs to be an appointment made and pretty soon.
Theyd need to get it right.

Public being journalists asking potential candidates questions to unearth some sort of story. Speculation around every management appointment everywhere. Hardly 'played out' in public!

Who is 'right' Brick?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 22, 2018, 03:14:24 PM
People declaring an interest through media connections and 'playing the game' to the detriment of the county.
Using local media to further own agenda. Leaking the names of selection panel. Adding fuel to fire by making announcements through social media; announcements and news that really isnt their place to be leaking.
The whole circus has been played out too publicly and certain people have been lapping it up and stirring the pot because they cant help themselves when a 'jouranlist' (use that term loosely) or buddy with a camera or microphone want a soundbite.

Any man worth his salt and appropriate for the county manager role wouldnt be courting the publicity and playing to the gallery that some guys have been. Theyd be sorting it out behind closed doors, not posturing before the gallery.

2 suitable candidates and only 2 men id let near it would be Malachy O'Rourke or Tally.
But wouldnt be surprised if they wouldnt touch it with thecircus thats been going on recently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 22, 2018, 03:26:59 PM
Brick, you're fairly getting your knickers in a twist over nothing. We either want media coverage of our games or we don't. If we do, then managerial speculation is going to take place and there's no way to control it.

The selection panel wasn't leaked. It was announced to the clubs, who otherwise would have inundated the board with questions and paranoid waffle. This is what should happen in a member based organisation.

Lastly, you let yourself down by mentioning Malachy O'Rourke. It's like a West Ham fan giving off about appointing Pelligrini when Pochettino should be offered the job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 22, 2018, 03:30:41 PM
Why wouldnt Malachy O'Rourke be suitable?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 22, 2018, 03:33:01 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 22, 2018, 03:30:41 PM
Why wouldnt Malachy O'Rourke be suitable?

Think he means Monaghan are miles ahead of Down - like Spurs are West Ham.. Why Would Potchettino/O'Rourke be interested
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 22, 2018, 03:36:06 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 22, 2018, 03:30:41 PM
Why wouldnt Malachy O'Rourke be suitable?

Because he's currently coaching a committed, talented and well-conditioned group of players in a county where all the clubs and players seem to throw their weight into the cause. A county that has has won a couple of provincial minor titles in recent years. One with excellent, centrally located training facilities which are an easy spin from Dublin.


We, on the other hand, won a couple All Irelands when he was a child.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 22, 2018, 03:38:48 PM
In my mind he is done with Monaghan and that project will come to an end soon.
By all accounts he was to leave last year. I dont think he can do much more with them.

Pray tell. Whos your recommendation for the job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 22, 2018, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on August 22, 2018, 03:38:48 PM
In my mind he is done with Monaghan and that project will come to an end soon.
By all accounts he was to leave last year. I dont think he can do much more with them.

Pray tell. Whos your recommendation for the job.

I don't have one. Genuinely don't. I'd prefer it wasn't Banty.


I think you're missing the point about O'Rourke. He's now an elite manager. He has zero affiliation with Down. Know your limits.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 22, 2018, 05:44:54 PM
Banty and Lavo are front runners
Pete and McAleenan close begind
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnny McCumiskey on August 22, 2018, 05:58:56 PM
It will be the 7th of September before the new Down manger will be announced , and he is the only man job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 22, 2018, 06:23:45 PM
Tell us more Johnny
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on August 22, 2018, 08:03:32 PM
Not sure about Banty but I have faith in the committee to make the right appointment from whoever is available.
From the names in circulation I would go for Tally; he is a proven coach and the Sigerson with St Marys was a remarkable achievement. He seems to have a good relationship with McKernan, who remains an important influence in our squad.
Put people like Benny- or Marty Clarke with his knowledge of top level professional sport - and Conor Laverty alongside him and you have a young and hungry management team who would have the respect of the players and get the best men turning out for the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 22, 2018, 09:11:28 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on August 22, 2018, 08:03:32 PM
Not sure about Banty but I have faith in the committee to make the right appointment from whoever is available.
From the names in circulation I would go for Tally; he is a proven coach and the Sigerson with St Marys was a remarkable achievement. He seems to have a good relationship with McKernan, who remains an important influence in our squad.
Put people like Benny- or Marty Clarke with his knowledge of top level professional sport - and Conor Laverty alongside him and you have a young and hungry management team who would have the respect of the players and get the best men turning out for the county


That last paragraph sounds like a good shout.  Laverty might help get a few more of the Kilcoo lads involved as well.  That's the sort of management team I expected the selection committee to come with and I'd be surprised if they picked the likes of Pete or Banty.

Unless they have been overruled, in which case what was the point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 22, 2018, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: Johnny McCumiskey on August 22, 2018, 05:58:56 PM
It will be the 7th of September before the new Down manger will be announced , and he is the only man job
Who would be your choice Johnny, I know you're a knowledgeable football man?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: on the sideline on August 23, 2018, 02:00:41 AM
From what I heard Tally has it and will be joined by Stephen Beattie(Tyrone) and possibly Gavin McGilly(Armagh) the St. Marys management team that lead them to the Sigerson Cup win - and I'm sure someone/some people from Down itself too.

I think Paul McIvor was/is involved with St. Mary's too and would/could be a possible member of the management set up given he's worked with those men before and his extensive knowledge of the Down club scene from his time with Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JohnStones on August 23, 2018, 08:32:10 AM
Benny is the 4th person. Announcement tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 23, 2018, 09:47:44 AM
What's the background on the 2 lads? Heard of McGilly won an All Ireland with Moy don't know the other
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 23, 2018, 05:37:53 PM
Johny are you not going to share the news?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JohnStones on August 23, 2018, 09:11:59 PM
DownJim you have not one clue you clown! How are those front runners?
Announcement imminent. Tally and Benny.
Email from the Hat just gone out to clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on August 23, 2018, 10:08:33 PM
Paddy Tally announced.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 23, 2018, 10:45:49 PM
Great appointment. Hopefully he gets all players in the county on board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 23, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
Paddy tally is confirmed as manager along with stephen beattie, gavin mcgilly and benny coulter on his management team.

Best of luck to them!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 23, 2018, 11:08:39 PM
Good to get this sorted, plenty of time for the management to prepare for next season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 23, 2018, 11:42:31 PM
Good appointment. Let's hope Tally can get the best players playing. What is the background of Beaty?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oakleafgael on August 24, 2018, 12:21:21 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 23, 2018, 11:42:31 PM
Good appointment. Let's hope Tally can get the best players playing. What is the background of Beaty?

Exceptionally good coach.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on August 24, 2018, 01:35:53 AM
Superb appointment. Your 5 man steering committee did well and the man in the hat deserves credit too for setting up that committee and giving them a unobtrusive run at it.

I fully expect to see tangible progress in Down in the next few years. You have genuine reason for excitement here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 24, 2018, 09:12:16 AM
Seems an exciting team who should get the best out, we wil be hard to play against but Tallys teams are crap to watch but he gets results and that's what we need.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Trap on August 24, 2018, 09:51:43 AM
Will he still manage St Marys as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 24, 2018, 10:16:45 AM
Quote from: downjim on August 24, 2018, 09:12:16 AM
Seems an exciting team who should get the best out, we wil be hard to play against but Tallys teams are crap to watch but he gets results and that's what we need.
They werent too crap to watch in 2010 when he had a big influence in Down reaching the All Ireland Final. Give the guy a chance before slagging him off. Galway needed the defensive set up they had holes right through them the last couple of years. They will miss him.
He is the best candidate we couldve got lets see what he and his team can do. I assume Benny will be key in getting the players to all come on board. Goal is promotion and a good run in championship next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 24, 2018, 10:19:17 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on August 24, 2018, 10:16:45 AM
Quote from: downjim on August 24, 2018, 09:12:16 AM
Seems an exciting team who should get the best out, we wil be hard to play against but Tallys teams are crap to watch but he gets results and that's what we need.
They werent too crap to watch in 2010 when he had a big influence in Down reaching the All Ireland Final. Give the guy a chance before slagging him off. Galway needed the defensive set up they had holes right through them the last couple of years. They will miss him.
He is the best candidate we couldve got lets see what he and his team can do. I assume Benny will be key in getting the players to all come on board. Goal is promotion and a good run in championship next year.
But your right results is what Down need. Cant be any  worse than watching them last  few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 24, 2018, 12:57:36 PM
There are no guarantees at any level of management but Paddy Tally is pretty clearly the best option available to us. He has previously coached four different counties, crucially including ourselves, his Sigerson success with St Mary's was an outstanding achievement and he will have the full respect and commitment of the players before he even walks in the door.

Our squad is plainly nowhere near the level it was when he last worked with us, but some of those who have recently dropped out for various reasons will return, this year's u20s were our most promising under-age side for a number of seasons and should provide some new recruits while Tally has a record of improving exisiting talent.

He will bring organisation, motivation and fresh thinking on a range of fronts, and like everyone else he will ultimately be judged on results. All Down supporters will wish him the best of luck from day one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 24, 2018, 01:29:18 PM
Downer Jim - Why so negative. You want the best for your county yet you don't throw your full support behind the new manager.

All the tripe spouted for weeks and I must say the Co.Board have done the job right this time round.

Good luck to the new management team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on August 24, 2018, 02:37:08 PM
I'm on the fence as far as this appointment goes, but if he manages to get the best players in the county back on the panel, then we should see a vast improvement on our current situation.
To get the best players back playing for Down again we obviously need the Kilcoo contingent back on board, for this reason alone I had hoped that Conor Laverty would have been included in the new back room team.
It also goes without saying that the man in the hat cannot be allowed to have any say in team selection or any on field activities.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 24, 2018, 02:47:15 PM
I am fully behind the appointment, it's exciting, young and vibrant. Benny is still at the age where he would still have good links to the players but most importantly will be able to sell the team to players who seem to stay away. I'm looking for forward to what they can bring to the table.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on August 24, 2018, 02:53:34 PM
Tally is a good motivator which is essential here. He got the best of Kevin McKernan at the ranch and can do so again. as someone pointed out Tallys experience in various county set ups is another string to his bow. This man feels now it is time to be the front man and taking a division three team with potential and a lot of experience is ideal for him. I just hope there is a seamless link between the three main squads at senior, u20 and minor so that players progress better from minor to senior. There needs to be quarterly meet ups and better cohesion.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 24, 2018, 05:02:44 PM
Anyone information on the other lads? Looks a very exciting appointment looking from the outside and I good job done by the 5 man committee. They sure can't get the blame if it all goes wrong. Interesting times ahead in Down. McKernan for captain?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 24, 2018, 05:49:01 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 24, 2018, 05:02:44 PM
. McKernan for captain?
Time to move forward and change for the future
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on August 24, 2018, 07:31:20 PM
Congrats Sean og , right appointment , of all the candidates he ,plus his team were the correct choice, we have broke away from the guys of the 90 s , the latter , within this county whoshould be held in the greatest esteem , however there comes a time to push forward , if given the time and support Tally will prove to be the man , but he needs to get every manager of every club on board , no south down bias , every footballer in Down should look upon this appointment as an opportunity to step forward.AN DUn ABU
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 24, 2018, 10:13:13 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 24, 2018, 06:06:12 PM
The interesting thing is that there is a manager going into Down who isn't being written off and made the scapegoat from the word go. Pressure now on the players to see where the problem lies.

The man before Eamonn Burns came in on a similar pedestal.

Now - the county board has to make sure they don't press the panic button if a couple of bad results in a row come back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 25, 2018, 08:47:59 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on August 24, 2018, 07:31:20 PM
Congrats Sean og , right appointment , of all the candidates he ,plus his team were the correct choice, we have broke away from the guys of the 90 s , the latter , within this county whoshould be held in the greatest esteem , however there comes a time to push forward , if given the time and support Tally will prove to be the man , but he needs to get every manager of every club on board , no south down bias , every footballer in Down should look upon this appointment as an opportunity to step forward.AN DUn ABU

South Down bias shite again: feck up with that please
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on August 25, 2018, 08:50:13 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 24, 2018, 06:06:12 PM
The interesting thing is that there is a manager going into Down who isn't being written off and made the scapegoat from the word go. Pressure now on the players to see where the problem lies.

The wee Frankie fella, living in a glass house throwing stones at his neighbours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Jim Bob on August 26, 2018, 03:36:03 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on August 24, 2018, 12:21:21 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 23, 2018, 11:42:31 PM
Good appointment. Let's hope Tally can get the best players playing. What is the background of Beaty?

Exceptionally good coach.


Yes ......and just call him Archie
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on August 26, 2018, 07:54:29 PM
I think that Tally is the best we could have wished for and I am delighted that none of the other knobs who were linked with the job were appointed. His record is decent and he has added a bit of organisation and steel to Galway this year. He has already started work in the media and is trying to portray himself as a players man to entice those many players who have turned the county down in recent times that he is something different, I just hope this works. In Galway he had plenty to work with though and some absolutely outstanding forwards in the likes of Walsh and Comer, I just don't see that with potential with us. In St Mary's he had players who were prepared to work for him and that's the challenge he has in Down. I have watched many club championship games the last few weeks and I just don't see the county players or indeed new potential we need to make a difference. I don't mean to rain on this big parade but I can't see any movement out of Division 3 this year with minimal impact on the Ulster Championship in 2019. I hope I am wrong though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 26, 2018, 09:39:19 PM
Whilst Down haven't set the world alight of late they should be in the top 4 in division 3 at least. I would expect promotion back to division 2 at the first attempt but as our near neighbours know it is notthat easy at the first attempt. Depending on the amount of home matches we get will be important. If it's 3 then it will be tough if it's 4 it makes it a hell of a lot easier
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John o connor on August 26, 2018, 11:46:44 PM
Haven't been on in ages but I see your still a w**ker hardstation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 28, 2018, 03:28:43 AM
Close game tonight, v little between the teams, perhaps the Ford a bit unlucky. BTW ridiculous situation that both teams had such similar colours; black shorts, green shirts, the only difference the Ford's gold hoop, mimicked by Castlewellan's sponsor in white on the front of the jersey. Don't know if it was difficult for the players in the heat of a game, but it showed no consideration for elderly or visually impaired spectators
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 28, 2018, 06:36:18 AM
Anyone else think the championship draws looked very unprofessional last night, slips of white paper(folded over but clearly visible writing) being drawn from a chinese takeaway container!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on August 28, 2018, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 28, 2018, 06:36:18 AM
Anyone else think the championship draws looked very unprofessional last night, slips of white paper(folded over but clearly visible writing) being drawn from a chinese takeaway container!!!

What else did you expect? It's the Down way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on August 28, 2018, 12:22:56 PM
When do schools start back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on August 29, 2018, 08:13:14 AM
Interesting mix in the championship q-finals for those stuck on the old chestnut that there is a South down bias in the County.In both Senior and Intermediate there are four from each side of the divide left in the mix.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Bigben36 on August 29, 2018, 08:55:50 AM
Any word when the fixtures will be announced. Thought they would have been available yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 29, 2018, 10:34:31 AM
Great game in Kilcoo last night, really looking forward to the replay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on August 29, 2018, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: downjim on August 29, 2018, 10:34:31 AM
Great game in Kilcoo last night, really looking forward to the replay.
Did Kilcoo not win that one?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 29, 2018, 11:01:45 AM
Website has it a draw so assume it's a replay. Two good teams there, Would have liked to see that game. When is replay?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 29, 2018, 11:07:30 AM
Quote from: thebar on August 29, 2018, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: downjim on August 29, 2018, 10:34:31 AM
Great game in Kilcoo last night, really looking forward to the replay.
Did Kilcoo not win that one?

According to Kilcoo facebook they won by a point - Referee had it as a draw (missed a score) Surely there should be a scoreboard working at the game?? Scenes of Meath/Antrim in Christy Ring a few years ago about it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 29, 2018, 11:09:31 AM
The referees score is the only one that counts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 29, 2018, 07:42:02 PM
Why does the referee have to be at fault, or have both sides acknowledged the score as wrong?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2018, 10:47:09 PM
Any word on the new set up? Potential panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on August 30, 2018, 11:33:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2018, 10:47:09 PM
Any word on the new set up? Potential panel?

Wise up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 31, 2018, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: Samforever on August 30, 2018, 11:33:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2018, 10:47:09 PM
Any word on the new set up? Potential panel?

Wise up

They were due to get together and train in the Abbey yesterday evening only the Pitches haven't been cut - FACT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on August 31, 2018, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: general on August 31, 2018, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: Samforever on August 30, 2018, 11:33:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2018, 10:47:09 PM
Any word on the new set up? Potential panel?

Wise up

They were due to get together and train in the Abbey yesterday evening only the Pitches haven't been cut - FACT

That's a shit excuse, there's a 4G pitch there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 31, 2018, 09:48:46 PM
I've witnessed some horrible things in football matches over the years. But I'm struggling to think of anything worse than what I saw tonight in Ballyholland. Numbing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on August 31, 2018, 09:49:40 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on August 31, 2018, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: general on August 31, 2018, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: Samforever on August 30, 2018, 11:33:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2018, 10:47:09 PM
Any word on the new set up? Potential panel?

Wise up

They were due to get together and train in the Abbey yesterday evening only the Pitches haven't been cut - FACT

That's a shit excuse, there's a 4G pitch there.

Are you seriously telling us that current or potential county players were meant to be training in the Abbey this week? So we have the 1/4 finals of Championship next weekend and these players were released by their clubs, get real. I know that Tally has to justify the serious note he is on (reported £70k in Galway so at least that) but I couldn't see him having too many at this time of the year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on August 31, 2018, 09:50:05 PM
Saw the game was abandoned on twitter because of an injury. How serious was it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 31, 2018, 10:38:28 PM
I meant have they been at any games yet? Lotto I think he is taking this piss man. Wobbler what happened?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 01, 2018, 01:55:56 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 31, 2018, 09:50:05 PM
Saw the game was abandoned on twitter because of an injury. How serious was it?

Was at the match, Downpatrick leading by 11 pts with less than 10 mins left. Then there was a huge mill, can't really say who started it. Two players down, ambulance was called, not sure why they didn't finish the game under lights
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 01, 2018, 10:49:28 AM
Quote from: befair on September 01, 2018, 01:55:56 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 31, 2018, 09:50:05 PM
Saw the game was abandoned on twitter because of an injury. How serious was it?

Was at the match, Downpatrick leading by 11 pts with less than 10 mins left. Then there was a huge mill, can't really say who started it. Two players down, ambulance was called, not sure why they didn't finish the game under lights

Heard the young fella was kicked in the head twice by a DP player who has previous of assaulting people on a pitch. Any truth in this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Samforever on September 01, 2018, 11:24:50 AM
Why let the truth get in the way of a good story ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 01, 2018, 12:21:55 PM
Kicked in the head numerous times from what I hear? This would not be the first time this lad has done that. Crap footballers have to try make a name for themselves elsewhere so he does that wonder who he takes after trying to be centre of attention. 52 week ban would not be enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 01, 2018, 12:24:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 01, 2018, 12:21:55 PM
Kicked in the head numerous times from what I hear? This would not be the first time this lad has done that. Crap footballers have to try make a name for themselves elsewhere so he does that wonder who he takes after trying to be centre of attention. 52 week ban would not be enough
Hopefully referee will have it in his report and the player will be banned for life. No need for anything like that in the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 01, 2018, 01:43:11 PM
Eye gouging at minors the other night with a fella getting a scratched cornea and then kicking in the head last night . Stay classly folks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 01, 2018, 01:46:53 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 01, 2018, 10:49:28 AM
Quote from: befair on September 01, 2018, 01:55:56 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 31, 2018, 09:50:05 PM
Saw the game was abandoned on twitter because of an injury. How serious was it?

Was at the match, Downpatrick leading by 11 pts with less than 10 mins left. Then there was a huge mill, can't really say who started it. Two players down, ambulance was called, not sure why they didn't finish the game under lights

Heard the young fella was kicked in the head twice by a DP player who has previous of assaulting people on a pitch. Any truth in this?

Also saw the lineman being shoved by one of the Ballyholland mentors at half-time right in front of the ref. They were 11 pts behind, hardly the lineman's fault. Set the tone for was a nasty game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 01, 2018, 06:25:29 PM
He should get a 52 week suspension. What has happened to Ballyholland this year? The used to be so hard to beat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 02, 2018, 11:11:13 PM
Now we've got that all ireland nonsense out of the way, roll on january and the mckenna cup.  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 03, 2018, 10:01:43 AM
That's a long way off Sheedy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 03, 2018, 11:42:29 AM
Is their a weekend pass for the championship games?? Some tasty games, I don't think the 4 favourites will all come out on top
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 03, 2018, 12:04:04 PM
CPN (just about)
Burren
Kilcoo
Clonduff

CPN need to improve we have not been playing well of late and have picked up a few injuries and we woukd not have a big panel to choose from unlike our noisy neighbours up the road who have a massive pick. Would be very surprised if it is not a Kilcoo and Burren final again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 03, 2018, 12:10:29 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 03, 2018, 12:04:04 PM
CPN (just about)
Burren
Kilcoo
Clonduff

CPN need to improve we have not been playing well of late and have picked up a few injuries and we woukd not have a big panel to choose from unlike our noisy neighbours up the road who have a massive pick. Would be very surprised if it is not a Kilcoo and Burren final again.
Sounds like your making excuses already in case Loughisland turn you over again. Surely a team that is joint top of the 1st division should be able to handle a 2nd division team even with some injuries. Who are the key players injured?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 03, 2018, 12:17:52 PM
Ryan Boyle knee injury
Nidge
Paddy Murdock
Ciarán McCartan


All missing through one thing or another that played a massive part last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 03, 2018, 12:20:05 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 03, 2018, 12:04:04 PM
CPN (just about)
Burren
Kilcoo
Clonduff

CPN need to improve we have not been playing well of late and have picked up a few injuries and we woukd not have a big panel to choose from unlike our noisy neighbours up the road who have a massive pick. Would be very surprised if it is not a Kilcoo and Burren final again.

Not giving the blue shirts any chance ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 03, 2018, 12:22:33 PM
Can you not read above clownjim?
You know what happens when Burren and Kilcoo play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 03, 2018, 12:26:01 PM
I'm on about the Bridge who you have tipped to beat Clonduff you dose
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 03, 2018, 12:27:47 PM
Can you not read above clownjim?
If I pick Clonduff I obviously don't give Mayobridge a chance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 03, 2018, 12:30:15 PM
They looked very good on Friday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 03, 2018, 12:41:44 PM
Burren probably played a reserve team or junior team. Only team in Down football fit to play 2 teams in the PRFL with the resources on hand. Success has to follow all the underage dominance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 03, 2018, 12:48:58 PM
No we were strong, missing a few but nothing major. We have 3 adult teams, what your problem Smurfy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 03, 2018, 12:55:14 PM
Why enter them into the PRFL?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 03, 2018, 01:07:56 PM
To put the teams on the same level, plus SDFL is not a great standard. We are happy with the progress this year in our first year doing it with seconds getting to semi final and juniors are into championship final. You seem obsessed with Burren, do you want to join to??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 03, 2018, 01:50:09 PM
Why would you want to put teams on the same level?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 03, 2018, 02:05:19 PM
You won't have to worry as NCP can hardly field one reserve team never mind two
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 03, 2018, 02:10:38 PM
But why do you want the teams treated on the same level but yet at underage you have A and B teams? Would it not be better to treat your underage teams as equal?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 03, 2018, 02:18:16 PM
Listen we will continue to win county titles, you stick to winning Irish news awards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 03, 2018, 02:21:15 PM
They clearly have dried up. And from what I heard a big push was made to win the league but you some how made a mess of that on Friday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 03, 2018, 02:36:34 PM
1953, I rest my case.

There are more county titles than senior to be won
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 03, 2018, 03:26:45 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 03, 2018, 12:17:52 PM
Ryan Boyle knee injury
Nidge
Paddy Murdock
Ciarán McCartan


All missing through one thing or another that played a massive part last year.
Is Nidge busy make a new series of Love/Hate? Thought I heard Murdock was back from the states at the weekend. Mc Cartan has been missing all year and the Point seem to be coping OK without him,you didn't mention Mc Loughlin I would have thought he is a miss for you's in midfield.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 03, 2018, 10:35:30 PM
Rostrevor probably safe after tonight's win; Saval + An Riocht look the bottom two, and one of Downpatrick, Ballyholland and Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 03, 2018, 10:50:11 PM
Do rgu get the points from Fridays game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 03, 2018, 10:54:25 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 03, 2018, 10:50:11 PM
Do rgu get the points from Fridays game
If the game was abandoned before full-time due to injury, it will have to be replayed, I presume. I recall a similar situation Rostrevor vs Loughinisland match, Rostrevor leading in injury time, game had to be replayed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 04, 2018, 11:08:03 AM
Honest question: is it illegal to wear eyegyards in a GAA game. The ones you use in handball?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 04, 2018, 12:40:02 PM
I would think they would be allowed. Why do you ask?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 04, 2018, 02:19:24 PM
It's a thought, the way the game is going I think safety is key. There is going to be a serious eye injury in our games soon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on September 04, 2018, 02:31:00 PM
Which finals are on each weekend in October?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 04, 2018, 07:03:15 PM
Quote from: outinfront on September 04, 2018, 02:31:00 PM
Which finals are on each weekend in October?
junior and intermediate hurling finals 23rd september.  senior hurling final 30th september.  senior and minor football finals 14th october.  intermediate and junior football finals 21st october
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 05, 2018, 09:45:50 AM
Any dates for MFC semi finals??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on September 05, 2018, 09:51:32 AM
Quote from: downjim on September 05, 2018, 09:45:50 AM
Any dates for MFC semi finals??

One of the Kilcoo posters might be able to help you with that one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 05, 2018, 10:03:13 AM
2019 National Football league provisionall fixtures
Round 1 Down v Westmeath
Round 2 Sligo v Down
Round 3 Down v Laois
Round 4 Longford v Down
Round 5 Down v Offally
Round 6 Carlow v Down
Round 7 Down v Louth

All winnable games with Sligo and Longford being the big 2 that would be tight away from home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on September 05, 2018, 10:15:39 AM
One L in provisional and indeed one L in Offaly.

Might consider a wee spring break to Carlow.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on September 05, 2018, 11:04:35 AM
Alright Aristo no need to be correcting typos.  This forum would sicken ye.

Thanks Sheedy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on September 05, 2018, 12:46:36 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 05, 2018, 09:45:50 AM
Any dates for MFC semi finals??

sat 15 sept

rgu v ballyholland

burren v bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on September 05, 2018, 01:04:30 PM
Quote from: outinfront on September 05, 2018, 11:04:35 AM
Alright Aristo no need to be correcting typos.  This forum would sicken ye.

Thanks Sheedy.

Aristoprat  8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 05, 2018, 02:32:49 PM
Great SFC previews in the Newry reporter today said no man ever
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 05, 2018, 06:27:02 PM
People just love complaining. Unreal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 05, 2018, 07:04:34 PM
Surely the minor semi finals cannot be the same day as reserve finals
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 05, 2018, 07:24:58 PM
£50 for the championship ticket, probably worth getting if you're planning to take in most championship fixtures from here on in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 05, 2018, 11:15:31 PM
Having four home games in D3, if the fixtures are confirmed, is a big advantage, and a properly prepared Down side should be capable of gaining maximum points in Newry. The three away trips are much tougher prospects, and we may need at least one win on the road to secure promotion. The visit to Carlow should be good fun.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 08, 2018, 03:36:31 PM
Hard to know what to make of the Bridge last night, they looked in control for large parts and then collapsed. Why did Arthur not start?? Corey Quinn should be in Tallys squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 08, 2018, 04:20:25 PM
Mayobridge looked frightening good last night for 55 minutes. They nearly threw it away at the end. It's now looking like the top 4 teams in Down in the semis. Going to be a tasty last 4 draw. No doubt the big 2 will be kept apart
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 08, 2018, 08:11:22 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 08, 2018, 04:20:25 PM
Mayobridge looked frightening good last night for 55 minutes. They nearly threw it away at the end. It's now looking like the top 4 teams in Down in the semis. Going to be a tasty last 4 draw. No doubt the big 2 will be kept apart

How is it looking that way. Is there not 2 games still to play. I hope the island put manners on you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 08, 2018, 08:35:57 PM
How is it not? Check the bookmakers. Once bitten twice shy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 08, 2018, 09:30:50 PM
Best of luck to the camogs in croke park tomorrow. Hopefully the girls can get the win and bring the trophy home but no matter what, they've done themselves and their clubs proud in getting this far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 09, 2018, 10:44:18 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 08, 2018, 09:30:50 PM
Best of luck to the camogs in croke park tomorrow. Hopefully the girls can get the win and bring the trophy home but no matter what, they've done themselves and their clubs proud in getting this far.
+1. Best of luck to the girls.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 09, 2018, 10:03:28 PM
Big win for Burren Donal O Hare back is a major boost. The Big 2 to be kept apart. Why did Castlewellan not put on a sub when Duffin got a black card
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 09, 2018, 10:29:39 PM
I think they'd used all their subs, from the games I seen over the weekend ( them all), the big 2 are Kilcoo and Mayobridge, hope they are kept apart it would make for a better final!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 09, 2018, 11:29:58 PM
On paper big 2 are
1- Kilcoo
2 Burren
3/4 CPN Mayobridge

Downjim must be out celebrating
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 10, 2018, 08:39:12 AM
Have Warrenpoint already won , didn't see the result anywhere
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 10, 2018, 08:41:42 AM
There is only a big one in Down, CPN people have week after championship booked off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 10, 2018, 09:09:08 AM
No but the bookies think so. Well if they don't do what they normally do and keep the big 2 apart we will need the week off. But let's wait and see. Big 2 to be kept apart tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 10, 2018, 09:12:42 AM
On last nights performance we are not in the top two in Down, we are a young side who will dominate in years to come
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 10, 2018, 09:23:53 AM
How many years are you saying that now downjim? Only 1 team that can match the magpies and they are playing tonight. I'll not name names
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 10, 2018, 10:24:27 AM
You reckon CPN will take the Magpies??
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 10, 2018, 10:30:50 AM
Won't be far away. Probably the best equipped team to take them. Are Burren going backwards under O Rourke?
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Post by: downjim on September 10, 2018, 10:41:09 AM
Looked best equipped when you drew with the mighty Glenn 😂
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 10, 2018, 11:00:12 AM
I'm sure we beat them. Would love to get the noisy neighbours in the semi final.
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Post by: downjim on September 10, 2018, 11:06:51 AM
Your very confident
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 10, 2018, 11:09:04 AM
Why not. The big 2 will be kept apart.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 10, 2018, 11:17:47 AM
Has anyone been at all the games?? What wereKilcoo like
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 10, 2018, 11:20:46 AM
They did not get out of third gear. How Downpatrick had 4 men on that county squad is baffling. 1 was taken off and the other 3 were piss poor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on September 10, 2018, 01:55:56 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 10, 2018, 11:17:47 AM
Has anyone been at all the games?? What wereKilcoo like

always in control v Bryansford
Town pushed them all the way and kilcoo won it extra time
match v RGU kilcoo never looked like losing

5 in a row looks a very strong bet
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Post by: Targetman on September 10, 2018, 05:58:51 PM
More like 7 in a row!!
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Post by: OgraAnDun on September 10, 2018, 10:07:30 PM
Warrenpoint best equipped for Kilcoo alright.
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Post by: Nanderson on September 10, 2018, 10:08:04 PM
should the draw for the semi finals not have been done tonight?
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Post by: Maiden1 on September 10, 2018, 10:32:29 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 10, 2018, 10:08:04 PM
should the draw for the semi finals not have been done tonight?

Senior probably after Loughinisland Warrenpoint replay.

Intermediate
Darragh Cross vs Liatroim
Bredagh vs Saul

JFC
Teconnaught vs Ardglass
Aghaderg/ Kilclief vs Aughlisnafin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 10, 2018, 10:35:38 PM
Still there lads dunno what the panic is about.

Draw on Saturday after the replay

Why has the junior championship draw been made with a drawn match also in it?

Wet conditions don't suit our fast football
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 10, 2018, 10:38:52 PM
Or maybe your free taker choked when it mattered most.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 10, 2018, 10:40:24 PM
Wasn't fully fit and it was a tight kick.

Why was the junior championship made?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 10, 2018, 10:49:18 PM
He choked.
You're either fit to play or you aren't.
Although you're right.... he isn't fit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 10, 2018, 10:54:14 PM
He is county material
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 10, 2018, 11:00:26 PM
Down are missing a crowd favourite. He's the man.
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Post by: elk on September 10, 2018, 11:05:47 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 10, 2018, 10:40:24 PM
Wasn't fully fit and it was a tight kick.

Why was the junior championship made?
He scored one from roughly the same spot earlier in the half, pressure on usually results in a Mc Garry miss.
Cpn got out of jail tonight but I think they'll win the replay
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 10, 2018, 11:20:04 PM
Just because he bottles it on the big occasions doesn't mean he is not a good player. He has be great in the league this year. Our top scorer. Give an exhibition of football like never before against Saval a few weeks back
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Post by: meatsy86 on September 11, 2018, 06:24:11 AM
Why was there no extra time last night?
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 11, 2018, 07:04:50 AM
Replays from quarter finals on and not extra time.

Why was the junior draw made?
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Post by: downjim on September 11, 2018, 08:43:03 AM
Exhibition of football v Saval lol you're  a WUM smurfy!!
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Post by: downjim on September 11, 2018, 11:32:24 AM
I thought Loughinisland dominated the game and will be more annoyed they did not win. The Point maybe will improve better in Pairc Esler at the weekend. Kilcoo under lights is not good for championship. Only game I did not see was Kilcoo but the magpies won't be fearing too much, maybe the first 50 of Mayobridge but their last ten ruined that performance. We need Donal flying fit.
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Post by: upandwin on September 11, 2018, 12:40:08 PM
Don't know that Loughinisland dominated the game but neither team impressed that's for sure. Think a draw was a fair result. Poor conditions definitely levelled the playing field but if the conditions suit then I'd imagine CPN will win the replay. Thought both teams were very wasteful and Kilcoo won't be too bothered about who they face at this stage. Burren could've won by 10 the other night but if Donal isn't playing they won't win a thing. No options off the bench and very poor in their transition from back to front. Apart from Foy and Donal there are no real stand out players from Burren that can hurt Kilcoo. Mayobridge-Kilcoo final if they avoid each other in the Semis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 11, 2018, 08:15:53 PM
Any word on the venue for the replay,hope the county board think of the spectators and put it at HQ were there is a bit of comfort and shelter. Don't fancy the kilcoo experience again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 11, 2018, 08:46:56 PM
Castlewellan 2.30 pm for reply
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 11, 2018, 08:57:21 PM
The game should be in Newry
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Post by: elk on September 11, 2018, 09:17:06 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 11, 2018, 08:46:56 PM
Castlewellan 2.30 pm for reply
Rain forecasted for Saturday looks like Twitter and the pub for me. East down venue for CPN again, bit unfair ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 11, 2018, 09:27:01 PM
Quote from: elk on September 11, 2018, 09:17:06 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 11, 2018, 08:46:56 PM
Castlewellan 2.30 pm for reply
Rain forecasted for Saturday looks like Twitter and the pub for me. East down venue for CPN again, bit unfair ??
No its a football pitch between the 2 clubs...east down / south down doesn't come into it. Castlewellan the right choice of venue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 11, 2018, 09:29:13 PM
We seem to always get east down. Newry the only place to play the replay
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 11, 2018, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 11, 2018, 09:29:13 PM
We seem to always get east down. Newry the only place to play the replay
Your a joker kiddo :)
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Post by: Hedgehunter on September 11, 2018, 10:09:54 PM
Will John Boyle be lining out against Crusaders??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 12, 2018, 07:28:00 AM
Suck it up smurf, island travelled to hill town to play Burren in earlier round , didn't complain, went to Newry to take on long stone on a Monday night at 8.15 pm , didn't complain, but rich you coming on saying it should be in Newry, Castlewellan suits us, will attract good crowd.Looking forward to a good game.
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Post by: downjim on September 12, 2018, 08:53:00 AM
I think everyone wants to play in Newry, the game should have been taken to Pairc Esler on sat night
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Post by: downjim on September 12, 2018, 12:16:14 PM
Do you think the county board would but the two SFC as a double bill. It would definitely get a great crowd.
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Post by: elk on September 12, 2018, 12:22:01 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 12, 2018, 08:53:00 AM
I think everyone wants to play in Newry, the game should have been taken to Pairc Esler on sat night
Down Jim and smurfy agreeing on something, must be a good omen for CPN
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Post by: downjim on September 12, 2018, 12:35:46 PM
If gives rain all day Saturday, it would be a good idea to move the SFC to 8 in Newry straight after the RFC and PRFC finals. Kilcoo was freezing the other night.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 12, 2018, 01:05:22 PM
Newry at 8 would have been perfect and it would have left John Boyle with no decision to make. Saturday at 2.30 puts him in a position whether to attend the soccer or our match. Tough position for John to be in.
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Post by: Cuan12 on September 12, 2018, 02:53:47 PM
Stop yer crying smurf, Newry on a sat night, on your door step , suit the soccer heads in Warrenpoint, anything else you want , maybe somebody to sit beside you and fan you or waiter service , let us know and we will see what can be arranged.
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Post by: downjim on September 12, 2018, 02:56:43 PM
Warrenpoint home to Cliftonville on Saturday as well.
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Post by: elk on September 12, 2018, 04:32:53 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 12, 2018, 01:05:22 PM
Newry at 8 would have been perfect and it would have left John Boyle with no decision to make. Saturday at 2.30 puts him in a position whether to attend the soccer or our match. Tough position for John to be in.
If he has a contract with Newry it will be soccer. Thought he was one of the points better players on Monday, they'll just have to juggle their team around.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 13, 2018, 08:07:31 AM
Kilcoo 1
CPN 1
Burren 2
Mayobridge 0
Loughinisland 0
Liatrom 0
D Cross 1
Saul 0
Bredagh 0

Of the 9 teams left in both the senior and junior championship only 5 players from those teams made up part of the county squad. With only 2 players starting against Cavan. A very low number considering Downpatrick had 5 players alone on the extended panel.
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Post by: Mourne Red on September 13, 2018, 08:11:24 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 13, 2018, 08:07:31 AM
Kilcoo 1
CPN 1
Burren 2
Mayobridge 0
Loughinisland 0
Liatrom 0
D Cross 1
Saul 0
Bredagh 0

Of the 9 teams left in both the senior and junior championship only 5 players from those teams made up part of the county squad. With only 2 players starting against Cavan. A very low number considering Downpatrick had 5 players alone on the extended panel.

Intermediate ^^^ - But I would give Pierce Laverty of Saul a run in McKenna cup is if I was Tally, played against him a few times very good player and looked good for u20s this year
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Post by: Square Ball on September 13, 2018, 08:14:30 AM
Bredagh had Conor Francis on the senior squad.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 13, 2018, 08:21:15 AM
Thought he was Carryduff.
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Post by: downjim on September 13, 2018, 12:41:30 PM
Does anyone know if Benny Coulter is still playing football?does he play reserves or premier reserves ?
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Post by: Mourne Rover on September 13, 2018, 12:52:24 PM
Bredagh's Conor Francis came off the bench against Cavan in the championship, as did Johnny Flynn of Loughinisland, so there are a few gaps in Smufy's list. Both Kilcoo and Burren would also have had more representatives in the squad if they had been fit and available.
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Post by: thebar on September 13, 2018, 01:00:28 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 13, 2018, 12:41:30 PM
Does anyone know if Benny Coulter is still playing football?does he play reserves or premier reserves ?
Yes hes playing and he's flying too....just reserves though
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Post by: downjim on September 13, 2018, 01:13:24 PM
But will have to play premier reserve championship I'd imagine
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 13, 2018, 03:03:03 PM
Johny Flynn hardly kicked a ball for Down. Maybe do if the two DOH had of been fit would have maybe started the game. Francis anygood?
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Post by: Mourne Red on September 13, 2018, 03:17:54 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 13, 2018, 03:03:03 PM
Johny Flynn hardly kicked a ball for Down. Maybe do if the two DOH had of been fit would have maybe started the game. Francis anygood?

He came on Sub nearly every game for Down this year
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 13, 2018, 03:29:39 PM
No he didn't.
If you play senior championship the previous year does that rule you out for 2 years or something with reserves?
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Post by: Mourne Red on September 13, 2018, 03:38:40 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 13, 2018, 03:29:39 PM
No he didn't.
If you play senior championship the previous year does that rule you out for 2 years or something with reserves?

Down Championship games this year

Match vs Antrim

Down: M Reid; C Flanagan, B McArdle (0-01), A Doherty (0-03, 3f); D O'Hagan, N McParland, C Mooney (0-01); P Turley, N Donnelly; K McKernan (1-01), C Maginn, S Millar (0-02); D O'Hare (0-07, 5f), C Harrison (0-01), R Millar.

Subs: S Dornan (0-02) for McKernan (BC, h-t), J Flynn for R Millar (50), D McKibbibn for Mooney (56), R McAleenan for Flanagan (56), C McGrady for Harrison (59), N Madine for O'Hare (66).

Match vs Donegal

Down: M Reid; C Flanagan, B McArdle, A Doherty; D O'Hagan, N McParland, C Mooney (0-01); P Turley, N Donnelly (1-01); K McKernan, C Maginn (0-02), S Millar; D O'Hare (0-04, 3f), C Harrison (0-04) R Millar.

Subs: R Johnston for R Millar (BC 21), R Wells for McParland (h-t), S Dornan for S Millar (BC 36), C Poland for Doherty (48), D McKibben for Turley (54), F Flynn for McKibbin (64 BC)

Match vs Cavan

Down: Shane Harrison, Ryan McAleenan, Brendan McArdle, Anthony Doherty (0-4f), Darren O'Hagan, Niall McParland, Caolán Mooney, Peter Turley (0-1), Niall Donnelly, Ronan Millar (0-4, 3f), Kevin McKernan (0-1), Conor Maginn (0-1), Sean Dornan (0-2), Connaire Harrison (0-1), Ryan Johnston

Subs: David McKibbin (0-1) for McKernan (BC, 30 mins), Niall Madine for Harrison (BC, 30), Jonny Flynn for Mooney (44), Conor Poland for Donnelly (51)


Flynn came on in them all, do you even watch Down?? And rule is if you play any form of championship you can't play reserve championship the following year - free to play the league as far as I know
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Post by: thewobbler on September 13, 2018, 04:51:36 PM
Reserve championship rules were changed this year.

The named lists now count for both league and championship.

Once you play in a higher grade of championship, you are ineligible for the lower grade for rest of season.

Nothing is carried forward between years. In effect, if R1 takes place before SFC, it's only the named 10/13 who cannot play in that match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 13, 2018, 06:07:44 PM
Could Benny play twice this weekend??
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Post by: thewobbler on September 13, 2018, 06:31:36 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 13, 2018, 06:07:44 PM
Could Benny play twice this weekend??

If he is not in the named 23, and hasn't played SFC or PRFC football yet this season, then yes.
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Post by: saulzer on September 13, 2018, 09:55:21 PM
I wonder who Smurfy thinks the5 Downpatrick players on the Down panel were. The actual number was 4 - Turley, Doherty, Bell, & McGrady
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 13, 2018, 11:05:21 PM
Centre back? Left at the start of year? Not sure of his name
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Post by: Hedgehunter on September 14, 2018, 12:51:07 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 13, 2018, 11:05:21 PM
Centre back? Left at the start of year? Not sure of his name

Gerard Collins?
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Post by: downjim on September 14, 2018, 09:21:45 AM
Is it true Clonduff have been meeting Poacher ??
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 14, 2018, 09:29:27 AM
Yes Collins? Was he not on the squad?
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Post by: saulzer on September 14, 2018, 12:49:32 PM
No, definitely only 4 RGU men & only two that were actually used.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 14, 2018, 01:14:27 PM
Right sorry thought he was on the panel. What's McGrady like? Can remember him for queens Big and strong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 14, 2018, 01:54:10 PM
East Down Bias, spilt the county in two
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on September 14, 2018, 04:03:25 PM
Poacher has had his wings clipped.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 14, 2018, 04:30:03 PM
Why? What's going down now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 15, 2018, 03:25:57 AM
Another scorekeeping farce tonight in Downpatrick. No scoreboard available which is surely unacceptable at ACL 1. Rostrevor scored a late goal, which spectators and presumably players assumed brought the sides level. Downpatrick then scored a point, putting them one point ahead in injury time. Rostrevor rushed the kick out, looking for a draw, but the ball was turned over and Downpatrick scored the final free, to win by two points. No argument there, they were the better team on the night, aided by some inexplicable decisions by the Rostrevor management.
But on the Down GAA site, Downpatrick are recorded as winning by one point, which meant that Rostrevor needn't have rushed the kick-out, + could have played out time for a draw, which would have suited us well.

These things happen, you say, except that the same thing happened in our championship match vs Bryansford in Ballymartin. Bryansford scored a late goal to even the match, both on the scoreboard and to the count of spectators; but the refs tally was different; apparently Bryansford were still one point behind. They went one to score 3 more points to win by two in the end

I understand similar confusion occurred in a minor championship between Burren + Kilcoo.

Surely it's not beyond the officials to keep an eye on the scoreboard and ensure it is correct, as it affects the attitude of the players and the ultimate result
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Post by: Leftmidfield on September 15, 2018, 06:02:25 PM
Draw made after CPN 3point win v Loughinusland after extra time  CPN V Kilcoo and Burren V Bridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 15, 2018, 09:35:11 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on September 15, 2018, 06:02:25 PM
Draw made after CPN 3point win v Loughinusland after extra time  CPN V Kilcoo and Burren V Bridge

are the bridge a year off challenging ? They should have the beating of Burren as long as they remember its not over till the 60 has been played, they are a team on an upward curve and will pose a serious challenge to the magpies but its probably just too soon. As for the CPN . its POINTless them even showing up for the semi.
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Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on September 16, 2018, 10:26:21 AM
Two great games in Castlewellan yesterday. Harps and Hoops contested a very good game which the harps eventually came out on top of and are into to the minor final. Great to see a new team competing. Probably the lift Ballyholland need. RGU weren't far off, think Ballyhollands strength from the bench saw them through.
The senior game was great also, with Loghinisland pushing the point right to the word . Will be a great addition to division 1 next year. Roll on the semis
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 16, 2018, 11:20:17 AM
The big 4 to battle it out
I knew they would keep the so called big 2 apart
Interesting few weeks ahead. If any team can take the magpies it's us
We do not fear them unlike our noisy neighbours
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Post by: downjim on September 16, 2018, 02:15:51 PM
You could only applaud Mickey Lindens point yesterday, a joy to see. Some going from Mayobridge to win two reserve titles.
The Point will crap themselves again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 16, 2018, 02:43:22 PM
U14 county final
U16 county final
Minor county final
Reserve final
PRFC semi final
SFC semi final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 16, 2018, 07:12:42 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 16, 2018, 11:20:17 AM
The big 4 to battle it out
I knew they would keep the so called big 2 apart
Interesting few weeks ahead. If any team can take the magpies it's us
We do not fear them unlike our noisy neighbours
Nothing wrong with having dreams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on September 16, 2018, 07:20:26 PM
Could mayobridge get the hat-trick and scoop the big one? Best placed to put it up to the magpies IMO. Would be some going. Have to agree with Charlie Tully....can't see CPN giving kilcoo any trouble. In truth kilcoo only get going at this time of year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 16, 2018, 07:37:58 PM
fancy a bridge v kilcoo final. can't see the point getting within 5/6pts of kilcoo and just have a sneaky feeling that the bridge will beat burren and then give kilcoo their fill of it in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 16, 2018, 08:49:56 PM
We will be up against it no doubt against Kilcoo and if truth be told I think it's the hardest draw we could have gotten and with injuries now stacking up I just think it will be to much for our team. We have picked up another few injuries and just haven't got the squad Kilcoo have.
Burren and Mayobridge will be a tight game but I just think Burren will have enough especially now with O Hare and Toner back on board. It would be a better spectacle if Mayobridge did he to the final as they may put it upto Kilcoo better than Burren. Best 4 teams in Down left in the competition
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 16, 2018, 09:32:40 PM
Bridge v Burren to hard to call and wont be much in it...maybe slightly favour Burren but only slighty...Kilcoo will walk the other semi final, they are miles ahead of the rest with the Bridge and Burren making up the top 3 sides in the county...take your pick for the 4th best at the min, they are all at a similar level to the other.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 17, 2018, 08:55:48 AM
Bookies have a Kilcoo v Burren final with the magpies creating history
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 17, 2018, 09:11:32 AM
The bookies don't play in the semis. 2 good matches in store I reckon. All four teams like to play football with Kilcoo probably the most defensive. And that's not a criticism by the way
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 17, 2018, 12:02:48 PM
Smurfy yous will bottle it v the Magpies
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 17, 2018, 12:11:11 PM
Says the Burren man ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 17, 2018, 12:27:14 PM
Talking to a couple of Burren supporters yesterday and they are fairly confident they will take care of the Bridge ( don't understand what they base this confidence on ). Personally think it will be Mayobridge/Kilcoo final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 17, 2018, 12:33:08 PM
The blue shirts have not beat us in Pairc Esler in years, the famous jersey scares them.
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 17, 2018, 12:40:28 PM
And the sight of a black jersey in turn scares the knickers off the Burren brigade.
Youre the gift that keeps giving Jim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 17, 2018, 01:02:17 PM
3 teams from Clonallen parish in the SFC semi final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dec on September 17, 2018, 02:42:42 PM
So what is the difference between the Premier Reserve Football Championship and the Reserve Football Championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 17, 2018, 02:46:10 PM
PRFC is for the top 12 or so seconds teams. The RFC is for weaker reserve and thirds teams. PRFC would be a better standard than junior football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on September 17, 2018, 09:19:59 PM
The premier reserve league competition is very competitive. Decent standard.
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Post by: umpire on September 17, 2018, 09:28:50 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 17, 2018, 01:02:17 PM
3 teams from Clonallen parish in the SFC semi final

Downjim
Fantastic Parish for GAA. Clonallen would be far too strong for the Parish of Kilcoo !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 17, 2018, 10:16:29 PM
We don't bottle it unlike yourselves downjim. We could take Kilcoo but will need our best ever performance but it is very possible. Imagine a CPN Burren final. The place would go mad. Let's make it happen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 17, 2018, 10:54:08 PM
Burren and the Point is like the Liverpool and Everton rivalry. We don't care about you same as Liverpool 😂
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 17, 2018, 10:58:18 PM
Suppose Kilcoo are your big rivals now
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Post by: downjim on September 17, 2018, 11:57:04 PM
You never were
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Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 18, 2018, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 17, 2018, 10:58:18 PM
Suppose Kilcoo are your big rivals now

To be a rival you have to beat the other team occasionally (in the matches that matter).  ;)
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Post by: elk on September 22, 2018, 11:01:33 PM
Watched a non event today CPN and kilcoo. Waste of money and time
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Post by: Ulsterman09 on September 22, 2018, 11:23:06 PM
Why's that elk? 2nds teams on show? Seen the island got promoted today. Must have finally stopped fecking about in div 2  and joined the big boys again.
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Post by: Nanderson on September 23, 2018, 12:57:01 PM
Downpatrick manager not happy with the referee in the Burren and RGU game. Anyone at the game know what this is about?
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Post by: saulzer on September 23, 2018, 02:02:56 PM
Heard it was a shockingly bad performance from the ref
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Post by: downjim on September 23, 2018, 09:24:24 PM
Another county title for the biggest club in Down
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 24, 2018, 11:32:09 AM
Fair play downjim your underage is clearly the best in Down but your numbers are massive. How do you keep them all happy?
On another note all league football should be finished an awful position for CPN to be in on Saturday where we had to play the same team a week before the championship. A league would be massive for our club but that now looks unlikely. Heard a few teams played weakened teams at the weekend which makes the bottom of the league looking very interesting. Bryansford seem to have stopped playing
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Post by: forevergreen on September 24, 2018, 01:41:57 PM
Looks like a League title coming to Burren. with only Saval left to play and them relegated on Saturday, the last game should be a foregone conclusion.
Bottom of table now has An Riocht to play anyone of Town, RGU, Ballyholland, Rostrevor or Bryansford.
Town v RGU this week will have a big say on overall outcome, though ford look to have down tools too early and could be pulled in. the Harps v RGU replay should be tasty too.
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Post by: Targetman on September 24, 2018, 07:57:40 PM
I see all the clubs are going to benefit from JP Mc Manus's generosity, I wonder how long they'll have to wait for it?
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Post by: Lecale Gael on September 24, 2018, 08:21:16 PM
100,000/48 = guts of 2 grand a club  8)
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Post by: forevergreen on September 24, 2018, 08:22:38 PM
That'll be £100000 less county board f**k ups and costs. Clubs will be collecting again then
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Post by: gaaman2016 on September 24, 2018, 08:36:58 PM
Hope I'm wrong but I suspect as usual the Co Board will magically conjure a £2k deficit for each club and keep the the €100,000
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Post by: Targetman on September 24, 2018, 08:44:04 PM
At least I'm not the only cynic out there!!
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Post by: Hedgehunter on September 24, 2018, 10:33:26 PM
How does promotion and relegation work in the senior divisions this year? I think it's changed on years gone bye?
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Post by: Aristo 60 on September 25, 2018, 09:09:18 AM
DCB could do another club prize draw for €25,000...cost of (automatic) entry... you guessed it... €2,000.

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Post by: downjim on September 25, 2018, 09:59:39 AM
Glenn won't be promoted
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 25, 2018, 10:03:13 AM
Not much point CPN turning up on Saturday
Kilcoo 1/6 6/1 CPN
Burren 1/2 2/1 Mayobridge

The big two in Down football continues.

Bottom 2 go down I think?
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Post by: downjim on September 25, 2018, 10:05:01 AM
Does that surprise you Smurfy?? The two best teams this decade
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 25, 2018, 10:12:22 AM
I thought maybe 1/4 4/1 more like it
That one surprised me
Can't argue with the best 2 teams this decade
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Post by: downjim on September 25, 2018, 10:39:56 AM
6/1 is some price in a two horse race
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Post by: elk on September 25, 2018, 04:02:07 PM
2/1 for the Bridge is generous enough.
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Post by: whitegoodman on September 25, 2018, 04:57:39 PM
Just wondering where the general consensus for the bridge winning this wkend is coming from.  Burren certainly haven't been ripping up any trees but the bridge are still very reliant on the older generation and haven't sparkled either this year.

Is it based on one half against a very poor clonduff team ?
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Post by: gaaman2016 on September 25, 2018, 05:36:48 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 25, 2018, 10:12:22 AM
I thought maybe 1/4 4/1 more like it
That one surprised me
Can't argue with the best 2 teams this decade

Really? Given your comments a couple of months ago regarding the gap between Div 1 and Div 2 and that Warrenpoint have been taken to extra time by Div 2 sides 3 times since then I'd say 6-1 is being optimistic based on your comments
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 25, 2018, 05:40:21 PM
Both Glenn and Loughinisland are established senior teams don't forget. Wasn't that long ago that Glenn were being touted as senior championship underdogs to push Kilcoo all the way. Loughinisland are unbeaten in division 2 and are miles ahead of the rest
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Post by: gaaman2016 on September 25, 2018, 05:50:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 11, 2018, 08:07:19 PM
Big win for Castlewellan today. Big golf between 1st and 2nd division

Contradicting yourself are you not?
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Post by: gaaman2016 on September 25, 2018, 05:52:42 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 14, 2018, 12:10:58 AM
The runaway leaders in division 2 were a mile behind Burren tonight. Burren second gear. Loughinisland will go straight back down next year. How many balls did they give away

And again
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 25, 2018, 06:02:15 PM
Only Loughinisland and possibly Glenn would be competitive in division 1. In my humble opinion
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Post by: downjim on September 25, 2018, 10:05:16 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on September 25, 2018, 04:57:39 PM
Just wondering where the general consensus xfor the bridge winning this wkend is coming from.  Burren certainly haven't been ripping up any trees but the bridge are still very reliant on the older generation and haven't sparkled either this year.

Is it based on one half against a very poor clonduff team ?

Sure we are crap , well the rest of Down think
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 25, 2018, 10:17:44 PM
Burren are a very good team until they face the black and white. Then they get frightened.
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Post by: OgraAnDun on September 25, 2018, 10:54:26 PM
It looks like CPN start to tremble when they see the might of Div 2
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Post by: Hedgehunter on September 26, 2018, 02:08:52 AM
Quote from: downjim on September 25, 2018, 09:59:39 AM
Glenn won't be promoted
Hopefully not Richard Head.
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Post by: downjim on September 26, 2018, 09:30:45 AM
Smurfy we have won more championships in 3 days than CPN have won in 3 decades 😂
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Post by: Kingpins on September 26, 2018, 10:02:56 PM
Looking forward to the weekend games , some tasty battles ahead. Mayobridge going well & looking to finish the season on high before benny goes to help tally. Definitely thnk there will be no more than couple points margin in this game and would fancy a draw. The game on saturday will be different story.. "eye gauge" a winning margin of at least 5 points to you know who.. but hopefully i could be wrong! :o 8)ļ
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Post by: champion1981 on September 27, 2018, 09:19:18 PM
"eye gauge" kingpins having watched my club v kilcoo under age they come across very well drilled and coached at all under age level,and all these players have came through their own small primary school! to be in the hunt for 7 in a row has to be admired, its something that a small club like my own aspire to be!
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Post by: downjim on September 28, 2018, 11:49:22 AM
How much is it into the weekend games ??
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Post by: Square Ball on September 28, 2018, 12:03:47 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 28, 2018, 11:49:22 AM
How much is it into the weekend games ??

£12 adults
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Post by: our_fella on September 28, 2018, 03:02:12 PM
Taking odds of 1/10 for another Laverty diving extravaganza tomorrow night.. Lucky he wasnt thrown into Moygannon river after his antics during league @ CPN's home.. Undoes all his good work!

Burren & Kilcoo both to win pulling up.
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Post by: Ambrose on September 28, 2018, 05:29:59 PM
Quote from: our_fella on September 28, 2018, 03:02:12 PM
Taking odds of 1/10 for another Laverty diving extravaganza tomorrow night.. Lucky he wasnt thrown into Moygannon river after his antics during league @ CPN's home.. Undoes all his good work!

Burren & Kilcoo both to win pulling up.

The Moygannon river? It's a stream on a good day.

Burren v the Point would be the dream final. Kilcoo's run has to come to an end at some point. I'm hoping CPN are the team to do just that and I've put a few quid on them after seeing the odds.
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Post by: champion1981 on September 28, 2018, 06:21:19 PM
mayobridge to win by 2 points,darragh cross just to get over the line, looking forward to seeing young ruari mccrickard good up and coming no 6, think the point will push the magpies all the way! laverty will be a massive lose to the magpies
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Post by: Ambrose on September 28, 2018, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on September 28, 2018, 06:21:19 PM
mayobridge to win by 2 points,darragh cross just to get over the line

Looking like a Burren v Point final, the Bridge haven't come out for the second half.

Liatriom had a comfortable win in the IFC earlier.
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Post by: champion1981 on September 28, 2018, 09:48:02 PM
will the point be fit for the mighty burren though
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Post by: forevergreen on September 28, 2018, 10:58:34 PM
Well that was easy!! Bridge collapsed as Burren brought big Eamonn Toner on. 2 goals!! Boom game over. Then Kerr joins the party
Time to get the flags out. We can watch and wait now!!
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Post by: whitegoodman on September 28, 2018, 11:07:53 PM
I said before I was surprised by how many thought the bridge would win.  They are still too reliant on their older players and if Corey Quinn is wrapped up there isn't much else there.

Toner made a big difference apart from his goal as he provides a focal point that was lacking in the first half.  Burren are average enough and won't beat Kilcoo but they are still comfortably the second best team in Down which doesn't say much about Down football.

On another point both teams and in particular the bridge have a very big backroom team.  Sometimes a group of 3 or 4 can provide a lot clearer instructions than 5,6 or 7.
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Post by: Kingpins on September 29, 2018, 01:58:46 AM
Champion 1981 obviously you are from a small club when your aspirations are to replicate a club who can only dominate a county but no ulsters or bigger glory.. set ur sights higher & reach for the sky!! Not the sky blues though as tonight slammed my predictions out the window, looks like 2nds & 3rds glory maybe the pinnacle now for next couple years although, the bench getting emptied with the aul crew might jeopardise their success next year. Was Mickey not available to rescue them? Who shall meet burren in final is anyones guess now as its a funny aul  game.. sometimes even hilarious! 😂
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Post by: befair on September 29, 2018, 03:04:48 AM
Disappointing game tonight; after looking the better team in the fist half, the bridge completely collapsed after Burren's first goal, maybe lacking in self-belief.

BTW what was the reason for the pop-music blaring at half-time?
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Post by: champion1981 on September 29, 2018, 07:13:55 AM
kingpin yes im from a small club , 1 day id hope to see our seniors playing div 1 football, but i bet you now if you asked any castlewellan d/patrick clonduff  vast majority of the bridge team now,ect  ect would they be happy to win a dsfc just even 1 i think they would take the arm of ya! let alone win 6 in a row !! credit where credit is due kilcoo the best team in down  over the past  10 years easy!
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Post by: Leftmidfield on September 29, 2018, 09:19:23 PM
So a Kilcoo v Burren final after they beat CPN tonight by 6 points. Strange as it might sound but best team didn't win tonight. CPN could easily have won that game.
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Post by: champion1981 on September 29, 2018, 09:32:55 PM
leftmidfield the best team always wins!! kilcoo fell behind with a great goal ,but it didnt seem to bother them,would like to see cpn get a dsfc medal though,some good ballers on that team! esp their no8
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Post by: Leftmidfield on September 29, 2018, 09:51:59 PM
Yes great goal by Davidson which was the only good thing he did in the game. One minute later CPN captain sent off & probably rightly so. If he had stayed on when they were in the ascendency I def think CPN would have won
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Post by: befair on September 29, 2018, 10:17:20 PM
Felt sorry for the Point, just lacked discipline tonight They were competing well, and had just gone ahead with an absolutely superb goal when their midfielder received a really unnecessary 2nd yellow, tho the ref had no other option. After that it was just a matter of time.
Must be said that Kilcoo are not the force that they were, and they've lost some of their strongest players; even tonight, two of the Branagans (who when all 5 play are a formidable defensive unit) had to be substituted in the first half.

BTW once again we were subjected to deafening pop music during half-time (the same 3 songs as last night)
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Post by: champion1981 on September 29, 2018, 10:24:11 PM
silly challenge from boyle yes ,thought the ref was good tonight though he tried to let it flow for both sides! who would of got the man of the match? i seen big greenan and arron morgan sitting up in the stands tonight , if theyre fit for the final (to play apart) think the magpies will cherish a dog fight with burren and only see the result going 1 way
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Post by: Mourne Rover on September 29, 2018, 10:31:28 PM
Leftmidfield is right as the Point could and probably should have won that game. An absolutely stunning goal from Davidson put them two up, at a stage when they were in control all over the pitch and looking like pulling off the upset of the decade in our championship. However, straight from the kick-up, Ryan Boyle, who was playing an influential role but already on a yellow, produced a crazy high tackle and was gone. Then D'Arcy saved a PD penalty at the other end and the Point defenders were still celebrating when Doherty put in the rebound. Kilcoo also benefitted from a series of generous calls from the referee, including the awarding of two crucial frees after wrongly ruling that CPN players had fouled the ball during passes. Burren will definitely have a big chance in the final on tonight's form. The watching Paddy Tally will not have seen too much to get him excited, although he would surely have noted the way in which Donal Hughes was hitting points from all angles during Bredagh's IFC win.
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Post by: Leftmidfield on September 29, 2018, 10:35:23 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on September 29, 2018, 10:24:11 PM
silly challenge from boyle yes ,thought the ref was good tonight though he tried to let it flow for both sides! who would of got the man of the match? i seen big greenan and arron morgan sitting up in the stands tonight , if theyre fit for the final (to play apart) think the magpies will cherish a dog fight with burren and only see the result going 1 way
MOTM Ryan Mallon I say followed by Ryan Magee and John Boyle
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Post by: champion1981 on September 29, 2018, 10:49:28 PM
mourne rover the 2 calls on fouling the ball (1 cpn player fisted the ball and caught it himself before letting it bounce) (2 cpn player threw the ball)  think theyre both fouls! no8 for cpn was my man of the match, kilcoo goalkeeper had a good game, tally will have his work cut out for him thats for sure
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Post by: One in All in on September 29, 2018, 10:50:49 PM
I thought the difference was 3 fold:

Kilcoo experience told eg. penalty rebound and cool heads to grind a result against what looked like a better team on the ball

Kilcoo scored their long range frees and 45s whereas Point didnt score any of theirs

Ref seemed to give Kilcoo benefit of doubt all night from over carrying in first half to suspect frees in the second

Burren will give it a serious rattle if they dominate the middle like R Mallon & J Boyle did tonight
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Post by: Dubh driocht on September 29, 2018, 11:26:12 PM
Champion81 you make the same mistake as the ref(was it Ronan Barry? Names of refs not given in the programme). The CPN fullback made the handpass just before halftime, the Kilcoo player palmed it back and the fullback tried it again. A poor decision by a ref who made several poor decisions, nearly all in favour of Kilcoo. Laverty got a free in the second half that even Laverty didn't call for. The Magpies looked jaded and are carrying injuries so if Burren show balls, they can win. But we say that every year!
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Post by: champion1981 on September 29, 2018, 11:40:24 PM
dubh driocht,i think the ref made the right calls a throw ball and passing the ball to yourself  in the rule book is a foul! laverty in 2nd half got shoved in middle of the back which was silly from cpn player as laverty wasnt  going to get on the ball! hope its a good final for all that!
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Post by: One in All in on September 29, 2018, 11:50:55 PM
Champion1981 - are you Ronan Barry?  :)

Ref made more than a few bad calls although Point didnt help themselves with indiscipline at times
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Post by: champion1981 on September 30, 2018, 12:11:04 AM
one in all in 😉how'd you guess! ok so the magpies didnt beat cpn it was ronan barry 🙈, but from what i have seen so far in dsfc the pick out of   it wouldnt get close to an ulster championship!
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Post by: Mourne Rover on September 30, 2018, 12:27:50 AM
Champion1981 is right to suggest that the Down champions have at best an outside chance in the USC but completely wrong about the referee. All the marginal calls went to Kilcoo and everyone in our section of the stand thought the two calls over foul passes were ludicrous. In the first one, the excellent CPN full back, Murdoch, made a fist pass which was blocked and then caught the rebound. The result was a  converted free in front of the posts. In the second, the CPN corner forward made what looked like a clear fisted pass for an easy score only for a free out to be awarded. There is no dispute over the two red cards, which were obviously correct, but Kilcoo rode their luck all night. While another Down title is possible, both Johnstons and the rest of their forwards will have to improve significantly if they are to progress any further.
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Post by: One in All in on September 30, 2018, 12:38:12 AM
Agree.

Kilcoo are a long way from their prime and whoever wins the final is unlikely to go far in Ulster

Says alot about Down football that they can still dominate year on year

Burrens best chance in years to topple them
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Post by: elk on September 30, 2018, 02:02:27 AM
CPN missed their chance tonight very unfortunate Ryan Boyle being sent off as he was playing well but he made a mistake at a crucial time for the point,thought the stand out player on the pitch tonight was there no 8 Ryan Magee, obviously was frustrated when he got sent off
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Post by: Dubh driocht on September 30, 2018, 10:55:05 AM
Mid Down Gael has called it fairly. Whatever we might think, Kilcoo have done brilliantly to maintain such consistency. The County Board seem to be promoting the half time kickabouts by children, so I watched a group of girls playing a game of ball retention and got some insight into the mentality within the club: superb.
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Post by: Dubh driocht on September 30, 2018, 10:59:35 AM
MDG Can you restore your post? Makes DownJim and me look a bit silly which to be fair is not hard in the former's case
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Post by: OgraAnDun on September 30, 2018, 11:04:37 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on September 30, 2018, 10:59:35 AM
MDG Can you restore your post? Makes DownJim and me look a bit silly which to be fair is not hard in the former's case

I think downjim is right in this case - Burren are in no way the favourites, despite Kilcoo scraping over the line. They're more than capable of doing it again.
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Post by: our_fella on October 01, 2018, 09:32:55 AM
My two cents on the game.. Jeez, if there's ever a time to dethrone this Kilcoo, its this year.. Shadow of their former selves with the mass of injuries they have.. Burren will never get a better chance, but we've said that before havent we?

Points #3 is some player. Dispossessed his man on numerous occasions and strong going forward? County potential?
Mallon & Boyle were mighty in MF, only for Boyle to get stupidly sent off. Kilcoo man didnt need much to go down however? Devlin spent the whole game nipping, tugging and slabbering to Boyle, yet went unpunished?
McGarry & McAleeenen were well marshaled, spent too much time out around MF to cause any damage.
WHAT A GOAL BY DAVIDSON
Thought the 2 Johnstons were very quiet, well marked too. Laverty also quiet
Point mgt with some strange calls. I would have had Grant thrown into the fray much earlier, 1st ball in they got a score from, why so late?


With regards to the final, if Burren get a few goals, they'll win.. A kilcoo team without Ohanlon,Morgan,Greenan, plus losing the 2 Brannigans to injury during the game, will they ever get a better shot?
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Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on October 01, 2018, 09:44:38 AM
What date is the Down final?
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Post by: charlieTully on October 01, 2018, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on October 01, 2018, 09:44:38 AM
What date is the Down final?

14th
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Post by: outinfront on October 01, 2018, 11:34:13 AM
I THINK the dates are as follows:

Junior Final: 7th
Minor & Senior: 14th
Intermediate: 21st

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Post by: downjim on October 01, 2018, 03:06:55 PM
I hope the gougers wear their black jerseys when requested
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Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 01, 2018, 04:10:59 PM
Mayobridge and Burren pretty much went to script. Bridge relying heavily on bringing more of an intensity and edge to get the upper hand on Burren, who it must be said are doing some arsing about with team selections and positional manouvres. The superior quality within the Burren squad gets them over the line and the Bridge's spirited efforts fall short again. Was disappointed that Bridge didnt lay into Burren a bit more and soften them up. The goals they conceded killed off their challenge and with very little up front in terms of firepower they were always up against it.
Burren have blooded some fine young footballers and whats more is they seem to have a bit more about them than their more experienced team mates. Bridge need to unearth a few scoring forwards, whilst it looks like they are carrying a few passengers that the other semi-finalists wouldnt have near their team.

In the other game the match was pretty much decided by the indicipline or lack of cuteness of Point. An experienced player (and team captain) like Boyle should never have got himself into a situation where one more mistimed tackle or lazy foul and he would have walked. He was already walking a fine line with him and his opponent at it the whole game. The amount of posturing and dick-measuring that goes on in games between opponents is tiresome. If ye act the maggot then ye run the risk of being sent to the line.
Point got the matchups right and tactically looked to have it sussed also. They were able to handle everything Kilcoo threw at them whilst giving a large portion of their own in return.
Kilcoo i feel will actually be glad of such a game and it will bring them up to speed for their final. They struggled for periods and their big game players found it tough against an equally mobile and physical side. They will have a few injuries to sort out before they tackle Burren which might be a worry. 

In terms of County potential, there maybe a few who should get the chance to prove their worth from the weekend, but whether they can make the step up or are fit for it remains to be seen. Magee from Point (midfielder i think) was the outstanding player on show over the 2 games, whilst young Kerr from Burren oozes class and has serious talent which needs nurturing.
John Boyle was also a cut above and to be fair has been the top no6 in club football in the county this last couple years, but probably wrong side of 30 im guessing.
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Post by: Leftmidfield on October 01, 2018, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 01, 2018, 04:10:59 PM
Mayobridge and Burren pretty much went to script. Bridge relying heavily on bringing more of an intensity and edge to get the upper hand on Burren, who it must be said are doing some arsing about with team selections and positional manouvres. The superior quality within the Burren squad gets them over the line and the Bridge's spirited efforts fall short again. Was disappointed that Bridge didnt lay into Burren a bit more and soften them up. The goals they conceded killed off their challenge and with very little up front in terms of firepower they were always up against it.
Burren have blooded some fine young footballers and whats more is they seem to have a bit more about them than their more experienced team mates. Bridge need to unearth a few scoring forwards, whilst it looks like they are carrying a few passengers that the other semi-finalists wouldnt have near their team.

In the other game the match was pretty much decided by the indicipline or lack of cuteness of Point. An experienced player (and team captain) like Boyle should never have got himself into a situation where one more mistimed tackle or lazy foul and he would have walked. He was already walking a fine line with him and his opponent at it the whole game. The amount of posturing and dick-measuring that goes on in games between opponents is tiresome. If ye act the maggot then ye run the risk of being sent to the line.
Point got the matchups right and tactically looked to have it sussed also. They were able to handle everything Kilcoo threw at them whilst giving a large portion of their own in return.
Kilcoo i feel will actually be glad of such a game and it will bring them up to speed for their final. They struggled for periods and their big game players found it tough against an equally mobile and physical side. They will have a few injuries to sort out before they tackle Burren which might be a worry. 

In terms of County potential, there maybe a few who should get the chance to prove their worth from the weekend, but whether they can make the step up or are fit for it remains to be seen. Magee from Point (midfielder i think) was the outstanding player on show over the 2 games, whilst young Kerr from Burren oozes class and has serious talent which needs nurturing.
John Boyle was also a cut above and to be fair has been the top no6 in club football in the county this last couple years, but probably wrong side of 30 im guessing.
John Boyle also played 90 mins for Newry City in the afternoon and actually made the Sunday Life team of the day
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Post by: Cuan12 on October 02, 2018, 01:19:25 PM
AND?
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Post by: elk on October 02, 2018, 01:52:53 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on October 02, 2018, 01:19:25 PM
AND?
He's a good soccer player
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 02, 2018, 03:08:31 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on October 02, 2018, 01:19:25 PM
AND?
What I mean is it was remarkable that he played 2 competitive games in the one day and was outstanding in both of them - although I think you knew what I meant
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 02, 2018, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on October 02, 2018, 03:08:31 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on October 02, 2018, 01:19:25 PM
AND?
What I mean is it was remarkable that he played 2 competitive games in the one day and was outstanding in both of them - although I think you knew what I meant

amateur soccer players break about as much sweat as an indoor bowler though to be fair  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 02, 2018, 06:18:26 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on October 02, 2018, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on October 02, 2018, 03:08:31 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on October 02, 2018, 01:19:25 PM
AND?
What I mean is it was remarkable that he played 2 competitive games in the one day and was outstanding in both of them - although I think you knew what I meant

amateur soccer players break about as much sweat as an indoor bowler though to be fair  ;D
It's not exactly amateur
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 02, 2018, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on October 02, 2018, 06:18:26 PM
It's not exactly amateur

Your right.

The preparation standards in the "amateur" sport put them to shame!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 02, 2018, 10:11:39 PM
anyone here about a cpn ref aggressively confronting the officals after cpn game on sat evening?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 02, 2018, 10:24:14 PM
I saw one of the umpires getting grief afterwards; don't know if it was mentor, more likely a supporter. Easy to blame the officials rather than your own team's indiscipline and naivete
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 02, 2018, 10:37:15 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on October 02, 2018, 01:19:25 PM
AND?

It's quite remarkable. Highest level of soccer in NI followed by a Senior Championship Semi final against the 6 time county champions. And superb in both. Fair play to him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 02, 2018, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 02, 2018, 10:37:15 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on October 02, 2018, 01:19:25 PM
AND?

It's quite remarkable. Highest level of soccer in NI followed by a Senior Championship Semi final against the 6 time county champions. And superb in both. Fair play to him.
+1. top player in both codes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 03, 2018, 06:38:39 AM
ive heard ciaran mooney gets the dsfc final 🙈 good its not true for the sake of both clubs ! he will ruin a final, or indeed any game for that matter!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on October 03, 2018, 09:54:51 AM
Anyone know why he continues to get the top games? Shows no consistency when making decisions and afraid to make the big calls any time I have seen him ref.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 03, 2018, 02:20:23 PM
He is a good referee; young, fit, keeps up with the play well, a ref is never going to please everyone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 03, 2018, 03:29:57 PM
Any referee going into the final must ensure they are willing to make the right calls as per the rule book and the big calls no matter who the team or player involved is. the last week has been dominated by Ronan Barry's performance. He's not fit to referee them big games end off. Ronan is clearly afraid to go against Kilcoo in the big games and sided with them again last week. The fact is, we have very few who are and the blame for that lies with the refereeing board and those who oversee it, allowing the same mistakes and disregard for the rules to pertain every week.
Referees are apparently regularly assessed for Performance, fitness and transparancey. it's clear to almost everyone apart from the co board that a lot of our referees are not fit to even referee and are not applying the rules fairly or in full. They'll either be intimidated by the thought of making the call or maybe they have more to gain by not making the right call.
Good luck to whoever gets the final. If its Ciaran Mooney or whoever so be it, whoever it is needs to be given the full backing of the county board, his linesmen etc and ensure that he can be brave enough to do it right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 03, 2018, 03:31:44 PM
Can't believe Leo didn't get the final, best ref about...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 03, 2018, 04:26:25 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 03, 2018, 03:29:57 PM
it's clear to almost everyone apart from the co board that a lot of our referees are not fit to even referee and are not applying the rules fairly or in full.

I take it your application to become a referee is already lodged?

Just so the County Board have the option of using someone who knows the rule book inside out and can obviously spot every bit of foul play from 100 yrds away in the stand? Or maybe even further away after reading the next week's paper?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 03, 2018, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 03, 2018, 03:29:57 PM
Any referee going into the final must ensure they are willing to make the right calls as per the rule book and the big calls no matter who the team or player involved is. the last week has been dominated by Ronan Barry's performance. He's not fit to referee them big games end off. Ronan is clearly afraid to go against Kilcoo in the big games and sided with them again last week. The fact is, we have very few who are and the blame for that lies with the refereeing board and those who oversee it, allowing the same mistakes and disregard for the rules to pertain every week.
Referees are apparently regularly assessed for Performance, fitness and transparancey. it's clear to almost everyone apart from the co board that a lot of our referees are not fit to even referee and are not applying the rules fairly or in full. They'll either be intimidated by the thought of making the call or maybe they have more to gain by not making the right call.
Good luck to whoever gets the final. If its Ciaran Mooney or whoever so be it, whoever it is needs to be given the full backing of the county board, his linesmen etc and ensure that he can be brave enough to do it right.

The only place that this has dominated this last week is in Warrenpoint. Blaming the ref for being shite, no matter how much you want to be true is never a good look in defeat. Take the soup, learn from it and move on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 03, 2018, 06:37:47 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 03, 2018, 03:31:44 PM
Can't believe Leo didn't get the final, best ref about...
Or Brendan rice
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 04, 2018, 09:47:17 AM
all county finals should have a referee from outside of our county or even outside ulster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: our_fella on October 04, 2018, 09:55:46 AM
Quote from: elk on October 03, 2018, 06:37:47 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 03, 2018, 03:31:44 PM
Can't believe Leo didn't get the final, best ref about...
Or Brendan rice

:o :o :o :o   Man would be too busy fist-bumping & having the craic with players than acc officiating the game. Always makes it about himself. Even Point people cant stand the "infamous branky"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Jim Bob on October 04, 2018, 11:23:08 PM
Quote from: our_fella on October 04, 2018, 09:55:46 AM
Quote from: elk on October 03, 2018, 06:37:47 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 03, 2018, 03:31:44 PM
Can't believe Leo didn't get the final, best ref about...
Or Brendan rice

:o :o :o :o   Man would be too busy fist-bumping & having the craic with players than acc officiating the game. Always makes it about himself. Even Point people cant stand the "infamous branky"

Cowardly attack on a GAA volunteer who is not here to defend himself. Wise up !!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 04, 2018, 11:53:06 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 03, 2018, 03:29:57 PM
Any referee going into the final must ensure they are willing to make the right calls as per the rule book and the big calls no matter who the team or player involved is. the last week has been dominated by Ronan Barry's performance. He's not fit to referee them big games end off. Ronan is clearly afraid to go against Kilcoo in the big games and sided with them again last week. The fact is, we have very few who are and the blame for that lies with the refereeing board and those who oversee it, allowing the same mistakes and disregard for the rules to pertain every week.
Referees are apparently regularly assessed for Performance, fitness and transparancey. it's clear to almost everyone apart from the co board that a lot of our referees are not fit to even referee and are not applying the rules fairly or in full. They'll either be intimidated by the thought of making the call or maybe they have more to gain by not making the right call.
Good luck to whoever gets the final. If its Ciaran Mooney or whoever so be it, whoever it is needs to be given the full backing of the county board, his linesmen etc and ensure that he can be brave enough to do it right.

Are you a ref yourself?? If not what you are is a cowardly cnut slabbering on a faceless forum. Foreveryellow you should name yourself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 05, 2018, 12:02:35 PM
Aye and yer name is Charlie Tully(LISH), or are you Ronan Barry in disguise, seem to have touched a nerve.

I'm not on my own in thinking that a lot of our referees fall short of what is required. as I said before the CB must ensure that refereeing perfromance'S meet the required criteria. if they don't then its either down to a lack of understanding of the rules or a clear disregard for them.

i'd guarantee you that if the CB enforced the assessments properly, we would all see refereeing standards improve and those that don't apply the rules fairly and impartially, would eventually have too.

Have a good day Charles
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kingpins on October 05, 2018, 11:04:38 PM
All refs have a tough job on their hands and are no different to players in  terms of making a mistake here & there, but lately its been made even more difficult when a team focuses on nasty unsporting actions which are very hard to identify at that moment but naturally can provoke reactions from the opposition which in turn are more obvious and hence are inclined to be acted upon by the officials! It is these despicable and disgusting cowardly unsporting actions which whoever referees the final would need to be aware of and act upon with the appropriate measures to finally bring an end to it!! There is no place for it in our game and any club to associate themselves with that behaviour just epitomises the class or lack of it which they have!! So we can only hope next sunday evening we are able to talk about the great things in our game, not the ref and certainly not the *dark arts* !! Is it Up To Manager to eradicate these actions or maybe is that the instigator..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 07, 2018, 10:42:56 AM
Dark arts hasn't won them 6 titles in a row to be fair. Two sides to every story. Keep your discipline and don't react, it doesn't matter how much they do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 07, 2018, 11:09:23 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 07, 2018, 10:42:56 AM
Dark arts hasn't won them 6 titles in a row to be fair. Two sides to every story. Keep your discipline and don't react, it doesn't matter how much they do.
Surely this is when the ref and his officials should be doing their jobs right and not let individuals get away with underhand acts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 07, 2018, 08:04:34 PM
Bad scenes in Kilcoo today with RGU and Ballyholland at it again. These scenes are becoming alarmingly common in gaelic atm all over the counrty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 07, 2018, 08:27:59 PM
Wild videos going around of today's match between RGU and Ballyholland
When will this stuff stop. Thuggery at its highest. Both teams should be ashamed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 07, 2018, 08:40:03 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 07, 2018, 08:27:59 PM
Wild videos going around of today’s match between RGU and Ballyholland
When will this stuff stop. Thuggery at its highest. Both teams should be ashamed
Not only the teams but the clubs and their "suppporters"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 07, 2018, 08:40:58 PM
Throw the book at the pair of them with the highest possible fines and relegate the both of them..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 07, 2018, 08:45:25 PM
Shocking scenes. More people jumping in there to get involved than at the mcgregor fight. Relegate both and large fines and bans, only way to deal with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 07, 2018, 08:46:39 PM
And a young child can be heard asking his father daddy what are they doing
Sickening scenes. Big fines coming for both clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 07, 2018, 09:13:59 PM
Quote from: elk on October 07, 2018, 11:09:23 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 07, 2018, 10:42:56 AM
Dark arts hasn't won them 6 titles in a row to be fair. Two sides to every story. Keep your discipline and don't react, it doesn't matter how much they do.
Surely this is when the ref and his officials should be doing their jobs right and not let individuals get away with underhand acts.

As I said, keep your discipline, don't react. 15v15 gives you a much better chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 07, 2018, 09:18:50 PM
Had the game finished when the fighting started ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: omagh_gael on October 07, 2018, 09:22:26 PM
At one stage a player completely takes out what looks like a middle aged woman. Horrendous scenes. Worst I've seen yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 07, 2018, 09:30:31 PM
Just seen the videos on twitter.. Shocking stuff but notice how the woman talking wasn't shocked at anything? Just talked away as normal, disgusting that these scenes aren't shocking people now, think that rules need to be put forward too Congress to try and stop this.. Fines/Deducting points and expulsion from championship.. Only way clubs will learn I feel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on October 08, 2018, 12:42:53 AM
Watched the video rough stuff. Hope Referee has enough room on the report!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 08, 2018, 08:49:40 AM
What fines or other punishments are available to the county board? Are they able to impose points deductions or just fines and player bans
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 08, 2018, 08:57:50 AM
The Harps have been in the dock more times this year than Paddy Jackson, fines don't worry them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 08, 2018, 09:00:01 AM
What is it with Ballyholland this last few years? They seem to have went from a very likeable club to one of the worst in Down? Maybe I'm wrong in suggesting that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 08, 2018, 09:53:03 AM
CPN now look favs for the league, can Rostrevor still be caught??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on October 08, 2018, 09:55:28 AM
Who was the brave Ballyholland player who emptied the woman?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 08, 2018, 10:02:58 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 08, 2018, 09:53:03 AM
CPN now look favs for the league, can Rostrevor still be caught??

With us having to play Saval in last game, there is only 1 favourite for it and thats us. Town hammered Saval on Saturday, foregone conclusion. real question is 'can we do the double??'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 08, 2018, 10:05:11 AM
If the Point have two more big wins would they not win on score difference??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 08, 2018, 10:07:21 AM
Quote from: our_fella on October 08, 2018, 10:04:29 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 08, 2018, 09:00:01 AM
What is it with Ballyholland this last few years? They seem to have went from a very likeable club to one of the worst in Down? Maybe I'm wrong in suggesting that?

Siege mentality instilled by 1 Mr.Poacher probably doesn't help. Detested by everyone outside B'Holland, and maybe even inside too?? Horrible man, horrible team to watch and a horrible attitude towards refs

No harm to you but you can't blame him for that row, the dogs in the street know who was involved and SP did not put fighting into them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 08, 2018, 10:27:20 AM
The ccccccc will be busy this week. In fairness the Downpatrick man jumped the fence first
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 08, 2018, 11:28:24 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 08, 2018, 10:05:11 AM
If the Point have two more big wins would they not win on score difference??

Apologies Jim, didnt realise Point had won by as much. they were well behind in score difference prior to Saturday, so Yes, if they have 2 big wins in last 2 games, then Burren will need to beat Saval by as much in one game as the point win by in their 2 games.

town beat Saval by 19 pts on Saturday, so would think we can do similar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 08, 2018, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 08, 2018, 11:28:24 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 08, 2018, 10:05:11 AM
If the Point have two more big wins would they not win on score difference??

Apologies Jim, didnt realise Point had won by as much. they were well behind in score difference prior to Saturday, so Yes, if they have 2 big wins in last 2 games, then Burren will need to beat Saval by as much in one game as the point win by in their 2 games.

town beat Saval by 19 pts on Saturday, so would think we can do similar
Might be diffiult enough for CPN to win their last 2 games against Clonduff and Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 08, 2018, 11:38:24 AM
Bad scenes in Kilcoo.  League positions could well be affected by the outcome of Co Board review I suspect.
At the top of the league, CPN have to beat Castlewellan and Clonduff.  They may well do that but cant see them beating the Town by more than a couple of points, so it will fall to CPN game v Clonduff compared to Burren v Saval.  Both opposition appear to have downed tools so anything could happen but would favour Burren at this stage.
At the bottom, a lot could depend on the outcome of co board review.
As it stands it is pretty much between Downpatrick and Ballyholland to join An Riocht in the play off.  It comes down to Ballyholland v Rostrevor. If harps win, they are safe, if they lose, they will almost certainly be in the play off.
There are other scenarios but it is almost 90% that it will come to Ballyhollands last game (and the co board outcome).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 08, 2018, 11:53:49 AM
The county board could confirm that the game is null and void which then leaves Downpatrick in the bottom 3 and a playoff with An Riocht. I think that's probably the best outcome for all involved here. Castlewellan will probably be hoping for that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 08, 2018, 11:58:45 AM
So Ballyholland would get rewarded for battering half of South Down into Lough Island Reavey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 08, 2018, 12:12:47 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 08, 2018, 11:53:49 AM
The county board could confirm that the game is null and void which then leaves Downpatrick in the bottom 3 and a playoff with An Riocht. I think that's probably the best outcome for all involved here. Castlewellan will probably be hoping for that
Castlwellan will be safe anyway. They will most likely beat Bryansford which will leave them on 20pts and if they get to that figure then they cant be sucked into bottom 3 due to other things like score difference etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 08, 2018, 12:17:16 PM
It has worked out well for Castlewellan with most teams downing tools for them to pick up points with maybe the acception of Downpatrick. I can't see much else the county board can do except null and void the match and fire out a few suspensions and fines.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on October 08, 2018, 12:40:37 PM
Why null and void the match when went to full time?  To do that would give Ballyholland an advantage.  Ballyholland started the row that led to the first match being abandoned when they were 12 points down.  A Ballyholland spectator started the row in yesterday's game.  They would be rewarded for thuggery. You really didb't think that one through, did you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on October 08, 2018, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 08, 2018, 12:17:16 PM
It has worked out well for Castlewellan with most teams downing tools for them to pick up points with maybe the acception of Downpatrick. I can't see much else the county board can do except null and void the match and fire out a few suspensions and fines.

So Downpatrick beat Ballyholland twice and get awarded no points which will put them into a relegation play-off? Surely that would set a precedent for any team getting beat with 10 mins to go to try and get the game abandoned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 08, 2018, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on October 08, 2018, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 08, 2018, 12:17:16 PM
It has worked out well for Castlewellan with most teams downing tools for them to pick up points with maybe the acception of Downpatrick. I can't see much else the county board can do except null and void the match and fire out a few suspensions and fines.

So Downpatrick beat Ballyholland twice and get awarded no points which will put them into a relegation play-off? Surely that would set a precedent for any team getting beat with 10 mins to go to try and get the game abandoned.

I was at the first match, which was also abandoned after a melee; were there any sanctions/suspensions after that game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 08, 2018, 02:45:08 PM
So technically it wasn't abandoned after a melee. It was abandoned due to poor light after it took quite a while to get an injured player up and the floodlights weren't working!!  The only suspension from it seems to be a for Downpatrick player who I gather was involved in the Ballyholland player getting hurt.
Also, the rematch wasn't abandoned, it had played through to full time.  Cant see it being declared null and void therefore.  Downpatrick will likely be given the points for this game bringing them to 18 and Ballyholland 19.
There will likely be significant suspensions which would obviously hit both teams going into the last games as well as fines, and there could also be a points deduction for each team which would still leave them within a point of each other going into last game but would avoid the the scenario of Ballyholland benefitting from a null and void.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 08, 2018, 04:48:00 PM
On a lighter note. Congtatulations to our Minor hurlers who won the championship yesterday for the first time in our history. Now the hard bit, keeping these players together and challange for senior titles in years to come. I know it doesnt work like that, but those have to be out aspirations. Think small, stay small
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 08, 2018, 06:12:30 PM
Was there only one team misbehaving in kilcoo? From the sounds of this discussion all the anger seems to be directed towards Ballyholland. Let's not forget that the first encounter was abandoned due to a RGU player kicking an opponent in the head.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 08, 2018, 06:33:05 PM
How did Murtagh get his Jaw broke??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on October 08, 2018, 07:38:12 PM
In an unfortunate accidental clash with his own teammate during a passage of play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 09, 2018, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 08, 2018, 04:48:00 PM
On a lighter note. Congtatulations to our Minor hurlers who won the championship yesterday for the first time in our history. Now the hard bit, keeping these players together and challange for senior titles in years to come. I know it doesnt work like that, but those have to be out aspirations. Think small, stay small

Congrats to the Bredagh hurlers and importantly the coaches who've put in the hours with those lads.

As you say getting them to senior hurling is the next big trick but hopefully the U21 competition will keep their interests going over the winter months when they can drift off never to be seen again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 09, 2018, 11:55:26 AM
who we going for on sunday folks kilcoo or burren?
it will be a tight 1 to call i think!
going with burren by +2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 09, 2018, 01:00:28 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2018, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 08, 2018, 04:48:00 PM
On a lighter note. Congtatulations to our Minor hurlers who won the championship yesterday for the first time in our history. Now the hard bit, keeping these players together and challange for senior titles in years to come. I know it doesnt work like that, but those have to be out aspirations. Think small, stay small

Congrats to the Bredagh hurlers and importantly the coaches who've put in the hours with those lads.

As you say getting them to senior hurling is the next big trick but hopefully the U21 competition will keep their interests going over the winter months when they can drift off never to be seen again.

This only the second time a team from outside the Ards has won the MHC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 09, 2018, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 09, 2018, 01:00:28 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2018, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 08, 2018, 04:48:00 PM
On a lighter note. Congtatulations to our Minor hurlers who won the championship yesterday for the first time in our history. Now the hard bit, keeping these players together and challange for senior titles in years to come. I know it doesnt work like that, but those have to be out aspirations. Think small, stay small

Congrats to the Bredagh hurlers and importantly the coaches who've put in the hours with those lads.

As you say getting them to senior hurling is the next big trick but hopefully the U21 competition will keep their interests going over the winter months when they can drift off never to be seen again.

This only the second time a team from outside the Ards has won the MHC?

Possibly,
Carryduff won it a four or five years back, don't think Liatroim managed it even though they come close and possibly should have beaten our lads in the Marshes two years ago but lost the plot at the end when cool heads were needed.
Kilclief and AnRiocht got to finals back in the day as well.

Carryduff didn't build on their win and aren't competing in underage hurling at any level but have a decent enough U12 outfit.

Bredagh are competitive all the way down and considering they won 4 feiles on the bounce and this is the only Minor they've to show for that domination they really need to blood these lads into adult hurling ASAP.
They'll be strong enough again next year as well though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on October 09, 2018, 03:29:20 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2018, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 09, 2018, 01:00:28 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2018, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 08, 2018, 04:48:00 PM
On a lighter note. Congtatulations to our Minor hurlers who won the championship yesterday for the first time in our history. Now the hard bit, keeping these players together and challange for senior titles in years to come. I know it doesnt work like that, but those have to be out aspirations. Think small, stay small

Congrats to the Bredagh hurlers and importantly the coaches who've put in the hours with those lads.

As you say getting them to senior hurling is the next big trick but hopefully the U21 competition will keep their interests going over the winter months when they can drift off never to be seen again.

This only the second time a team from outside the Ards has won the MHC?

Possibly,
Carryduff won it a four or five years back, don't think Liatroim managed it even though they come close and possibly should have beaten our lads in the Marshes two years ago but lost the plot at the end when cool heads were needed.
Kilclief and AnRiocht got to finals back in the day as well.

Carryduff didn't build on their win and aren't competing in underage hurling at any level but have a decent enough U12 outfit.

Bredagh are competitive all the way down and considering they won 4 feiles on the bounce and this is the only Minor they've to show for that domination they really need to blood these lads into adult hurling ASAP.
They'll be strong enough again next year as well though.


Liatroim won Minor Hurling in 2014
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 09, 2018, 04:29:34 PM
Disappointing there are no hurling highlights on Down GAA media, we should be showcasing our talents.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 09, 2018, 08:10:39 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2018, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 09, 2018, 01:00:28 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2018, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 08, 2018, 04:48:00 PM
On a lighter note. Congtatulations to our Minor hurlers who won the championship yesterday for the first time in our history. Now the hard bit, keeping these players together and challange for senior titles in years to come. I know it doesnt work like that, but those have to be out aspirations. Think small, stay small

Congrats to the Bredagh hurlers and importantly the coaches who've put in the hours with those lads.

As you say getting them to senior hurling is the next big trick but hopefully the U21 competition will keep their interests going over the winter months when they can drift off never to be seen again.

This only the second time a team from outside the Ards has won the MHC?

Possibly,
Carryduff won it a four or five years back, don't think Liatroim managed it even though they come close and possibly should have beaten our lads in the Marshes two years ago but lost the plot at the end when cool heads were needed.
Kilclief and AnRiocht got to finals back in the day as well.

Carryduff didn't build on their win and aren't competing in underage hurling at any level but have a decent enough U12 outfit.

Bredagh are competitive all the way down and considering they won 4 feiles on the bounce and this is the only Minor they've to show for that domination they really need to blood these lads into adult hurling ASAP.
They'll be strong enough again next year as well though.

I played in MHC final for a Ballyvarley/Ballela mix loosing to Ballycran by the odd score about 15 years ago. We had an awesome team back then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 10, 2018, 09:04:44 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on October 09, 2018, 08:10:39 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2018, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 09, 2018, 01:00:28 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2018, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 08, 2018, 04:48:00 PM
On a lighter note. Congtatulations to our Minor hurlers who won the championship yesterday for the first time in our history. Now the hard bit, keeping these players together and challange for senior titles in years to come. I know it doesnt work like that, but those have to be out aspirations. Think small, stay small

Congrats to the Bredagh hurlers and importantly the coaches who've put in the hours with those lads.

As you say getting them to senior hurling is the next big trick but hopefully the U21 competition will keep their interests going over the winter months when they can drift off never to be seen again.

This only the second time a team from outside the Ards has won the MHC?

Possibly,
Carryduff won it a four or five years back, don't think Liatroim managed it even though they come close and possibly should have beaten our lads in the Marshes two years ago but lost the plot at the end when cool heads were needed.
Kilclief and AnRiocht got to finals back in the day as well.

Carryduff didn't build on their win and aren't competing in underage hurling at any level but have a decent enough U12 outfit.

Bredagh are competitive all the way down and considering they won 4 feiles on the bounce and this is the only Minor they've to show for that domination they really need to blood these lads into adult hurling ASAP.
They'll be strong enough again next year as well though.

I played in MHC final for a Ballyvarley/Ballela mix loosing to Ballycran by the odd score about 15 years ago. We had an awesome team back then.

That's the problem with hurling in Down in a nutshell right there.

Every once in a while the likes of Liatroim, Ballela, Ballyvarley, CPN, Clonduff, Carrduff, Castlewellan. Shamrocks will come along with a strong underage team as good as anything in the Ards but then nothing behind it for eons to sustain a proper rip at senior hurling and then just dip in between intermediate and Junior at best.

Liatroim have a good nucleus of young hurlers in Adult hurling which got them into the Ulster Intermediate club championship but didn't field at minor or U16 at all this year, didn't turn up for an U14 championship semi-final against a very dominant Portaferry who've been putting 20 to 30 points on everyone at this grade, but not turning up doesn't set a good example to those young lads that giving up is an option.

It will be interesting to see if they play senior championship next year as they should do as Senior club hurling in the Ards is no big shakes at the minute.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 10, 2018, 10:02:59 AM
Is there a u21 comp this season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 10, 2018, 10:13:58 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 10, 2018, 10:02:59 AM
Is there a u21 comp this season

Yes, but winter hurling is never good....

We won't be able to get 15 to field sadly, poor numbers, some lads with long term injuries and some off to far and distant lands for university.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 10, 2018, 10:23:17 AM
Football u21 I meant

"I'm really looking forward to the Down u21 hurling championship " said no man ever 😁
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 10, 2018, 10:37:50 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 10, 2018, 09:04:44 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on October 09, 2018, 08:10:39 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2018, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 09, 2018, 01:00:28 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2018, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 08, 2018, 04:48:00 PM
On a lighter note. Congtatulations to our Minor hurlers who won the championship yesterday for the first time in our history. Now the hard bit, keeping these players together and challange for senior titles in years to come. I know it doesnt work like that, but those have to be out aspirations. Think small, stay small

Congrats to the Bredagh hurlers and importantly the coaches who've put in the hours with those lads.

As you say getting them to senior hurling is the next big trick but hopefully the U21 competition will keep their interests going over the winter months when they can drift off never to be seen again.

This only the second time a team from outside the Ards has won the MHC?

Possibly,
Carryduff won it a four or five years back, don't think Liatroim managed it even though they come close and possibly should have beaten our lads in the Marshes two years ago but lost the plot at the end when cool heads were needed.
Kilclief and AnRiocht got to finals back in the day as well.

Carryduff didn't build on their win and aren't competing in underage hurling at any level but have a decent enough U12 outfit.

Bredagh are competitive all the way down and considering they won 4 feiles on the bounce and this is the only Minor they've to show for that domination they really need to blood these lads into adult hurling ASAP.
They'll be strong enough again next year as well though.

I played in MHC final for a Ballyvarley/Ballela mix loosing to Ballycran by the odd score about 15 years ago. We had an awesome team back then.

That's the problem with hurling in Down in a nutshell right there.

Every once in a while the likes of Liatroim, Ballela, Ballyvarley, CPN, Clonduff, Carrduff, Castlewellan. Shamrocks will come along with a strong underage team as good as anything in the Ards but then nothing behind it for eons to sustain a proper rip at senior hurling and then just dip in between intermediate and Junior at best.

Liatroim have a good nucleus of young hurlers in Adult hurling which got them into the Ulster Intermediate club championship but didn't field at minor or U16 at all this year, didn't turn up for an U14 championship semi-final against a very dominant Portaferry who've been putting 20 to 30 points on everyone at this grade, but not turning up doesn't set a good example to those young lads that giving up is an option.

It will be interesting to see if they play senior championship next year as they should do as Senior club hurling in the Ards is no big shakes at the minute.

From what I heard that is their plan - whether it works out or not is a different thing.

The hurling clubs outside of the Ards struggle for the same reasons as a rule - numbers. Bredagh and Carryduff don't have that issue and there seems to be some really good hurling men involved there. When I started playing junior hurling 20 odd years ago there was teams in Drumaness, Rostrevor, Darragh Cross and Downpatrick to name a few and they're all gone. Most of the clubs left depend on picking up players from neighbouring football clubs. When I played underage hurling Ballela would have had players from Annaclone and Banbridge, Ballyvarley had fellas from Tullylish and Glenn, even Liatroim had a crowd of Kilcoo lads and some from St Johns. The problem with that is holding on to them after underage level. It's like double drop out levels. It's very hard to play for 2 clubs at senior level hurling and football. I did it for a while but it takes a bit of work to keep both happy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 11, 2018, 01:02:56 PM
Burren @ 2/1 with Paddy Power, must be due to beat Kilcoo soon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 11, 2018, 02:03:11 PM
Could be a Burren double  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 11, 2018, 05:11:05 PM
wont be much in this game, kilcoo missing 8 men through injury? surly if burren dont beat them this year they may as well give up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 11, 2018, 05:41:58 PM
Just home from the Point, can someone please tell them to stop yapping lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 11, 2018, 08:02:10 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 11, 2018, 05:41:58 PM
Just home from the Point, can someone please tell them to stop yapping lol

Where ya down doing a bit of recruiting?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kingpins on October 11, 2018, 08:24:14 PM
Regarding Irish news article today and Mc Iver's quote " they (kilcoo) play on the edge but their desire is to get to the ball in a fair way, they have worked really hard in the training pitch to perfect their technique in the art of defending"

Is this man deluded or does he think everyone else is? What a complete loada dung and lies, eye gouging, squeezing testicles, nipping, kneeing , verbal insults, and much more to the list are no skills or arts you could contribute to defending!! They are acts of cowards and sneaky dirty disgusting actions like these should never be allowed on a gaa pitch, should never be tolerated and deserve to be stopped straight away before a disastrous consequence arises from it. The honours and awards a team collect are to be commended and applauded but definitely not when "tactics" like those mentioned above are used to attain these awards, hopefully the referee and county board are awake to this and especially in the week that has passed and brought shame to our county throughout gaa circles we can witness a great sporting occasion without "their art of defending" 🙈💩💩💩
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 11, 2018, 08:58:04 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on October 11, 2018, 08:02:10 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 11, 2018, 05:41:58 PM
Just home from the Point, can someone please tell them to stop yapping lol

Where ya down doing a bit of recruiting?

You should start a bit yourselves
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 11, 2018, 09:11:19 PM
Armagh at home in next summers championship. Always a big one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 11, 2018, 09:15:10 PM
Armagh at home.. Game will be a sell out with it being Paddy Tally's first game in Championship also.. Hopefully eat a good league behind us build momentum for that derby game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 11, 2018, 09:25:14 PM
Quote from: Kingpins on October 11, 2018, 08:24:14 PM
Regarding Irish news article today and Mc Iver's quote " they (kilcoo) play on the edge but their desire is to get to the ball in a fair way, they have worked really hard in the training pitch to perfect their technique in the art of defending"

Is this man deluded or does he think everyone else is? What a complete loada dung and lies, eye gouging, squeezing testicles, nipping, kneeing , verbal insults, and much more to the list are no skills or arts you could contribute to defending!! They are acts of cowards and sneaky dirty disgusting actions like these should never be allowed on a gaa pitch, should never be tolerated and deserve to be stopped straight away before a disastrous consequence arises from it. The honours and awards a team collect are to be commended and applauded but definitely not when "tactics" like those mentioned above are used to attain these awards, hopefully the referee and county board are awake to this and especially in the week that has passed and brought shame to our county throughout gaa circles we can witness a great sporting occasion without "their art of defending" 🙈💩💩💩

Well, that escalated quickly.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 11, 2018, 09:57:46 PM
kingpins you have an awful chip on your shoulder with the wee magpies 😂! jealous much?? regarding grabing/pulling testicles they would have serious bother getting hold /finding a burrens mans testicles 🙈😂! and if all this cr@p that you talk here is true,are they the only club in down/ireland that carry out this "ART" one talks of??🤔
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kingpins on October 11, 2018, 11:57:24 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 11, 2018, 09:57:46 PM
kingpins you have an awful chip on your shoulder with the wee magpies 😂! jealous much?? regarding grabing/pulling testicles they would have serious bother getting hold /finding a burrens mans testicles 🙈😂! and if all this cr@p that you talk here is true,are they the only club in down/ireland that carry out this "ART" one talks of??🤔

You have alot of questions you want answered, so ill try my best. Jealous?? Of a club who fails once they step out of down despite trying every tactic in the book.. catch yourself on!! Yes they are Wee magpies, so you have noticed that aswell.. small in stature and miniscule when it comes to ulster or all ireland glory. Are you quoting this from experience going around grasping peoples balls 🤔... says more about yourself than anything. Dont even attempt the line if true as every one in down knows about the shameful antics and speaking to lots of clubs the magpies seem to be only culprits.. regarding rest of ireland, my own opinion would be yes as far as i know.  i know and have spoken to lots of clubs in ulster whom have no regard for the magpies because of their sporting manner lets say, although other clubs in ireland whom my club would have encountered and maintain a healthy respect for still, have never heard of them and probably never will encounter them to their delight!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 12, 2018, 12:33:09 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 09, 2018, 04:29:34 PM
Disappointing there are no hurling highlights on Down GAA media, we should be showcasing our talents.

why don't you volunteer to video it. would be great idea
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 12, 2018, 06:29:19 AM
kingpins i dont think the magpies are strong enough to win an ulster tbh!maybe there best years are behind them!! but to play in ulster you first have to win your county which its something yous havnt done in 6 odd years!! oh and when yous did last win it yous done very well in ulster!!! yea kilcoo seem a small team but theyre ALL kilcoo men ALL their OWN, says alot i think!! unlike some teams now adays🙈👍
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kingpins on October 12, 2018, 07:22:35 AM
Champion 1981...while im glad you are aware that we represented down in glory through ulster and Ireland, you are veering away from my point which is the unfortunate and sad fact that very few people/clubs will commend or applaud your local achievements (down success) simply because of the cowardly disgusting shameful tactics you employ towards your opposition on a field of sport. Eye gouging , mouth gouging, racist verbal abuse, to name a few are not the antics associated to any sporting team who gain the respect of gaa followers and that is the bottom line, and still despite throwing everything at the kitchen sink so to speak you have retreated back home as failures outside your own county while gaining a shameful sporting reputation. #fact
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 12, 2018, 08:44:33 AM
kingpins im not a kilcoo person! but hold them in high reguard for all that! i dont hear to many other clubs give of about them as much as you!! #fact, burren teams now dont have any respect in the county any more !! from trying to poach managers from other clubs and players yous are a laughing stock! phoneing former magpie managers asking how to beat them 🤣🤣😂🙈🙈
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 12, 2018, 09:12:55 AM
The ass gouging, that's the newest one. You forgot about that .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on October 12, 2018, 09:25:37 AM
Suppose the burren men have to do their slabbering online 😂 too scared of Kilcoo to say it to their faces 😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 12, 2018, 11:16:38 AM
They aren't my club either, but I've never had a problem with Kilcoo. In fact I admire their club spirit + their success in bringing their own players through (not like Burren)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 12, 2018, 11:40:52 AM
Massive for Newry to see Ballyholland in a minor final,a strong city club can only benefit county football. Newry has been a sleeping giant for too long.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 12, 2018, 01:13:51 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 12, 2018, 11:40:52 AM
Massive for Newry to see Ballyholland in a minor final,a strong city club can only benefit county football. Newry has been a sleeping giant for too long.
Thought the city clubs were Bosco Shamrocks and Mitchels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 12, 2018, 01:20:22 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 12, 2018, 11:40:52 AM
Massive for Newry to see Ballyholland in a minor final,a strong city club can only benefit county football. Newry has been a sleeping giant for too long.

I'm rooting for Kilcoo simply because they are the only country club involved Sunday...good to see a Newry outfit though alongside the Point, its important that GAA is encouraged in our town and cities.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 12, 2018, 01:20:49 PM
downjim ass gouging you say lol😀? id say yous have a few men that didnt complain about that💩✌
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 12, 2018, 01:27:58 PM
Is it mid term break ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 12, 2018, 01:42:00 PM
whitegoodman you allowed out for the day?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 12, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
Surprisingly not much talk on the MFC this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 12, 2018, 02:27:35 PM
jimmyfloyd shoud be a good game,fancy burren to win this 1, ballyholland have a good squad for all that, just think burren will get over the line
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 12, 2018, 02:37:00 PM
Champion I've heard mixed opinions on who people think will win. What I've heard a few times is the strength of the Ballyholland squad as you said. Both teams have strong benches and have players who can change games. Interesting game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 12, 2018, 10:59:23 PM
Burren surely won't have a better opportunity on Sunday. Kilcoo clearly not at their best, some key men injured and I think lacking a bit of pace and mobility in defence and midfield. If it's open football burren could win but Kilcoo will fancy their chances in a war of attrition. As a neutral I'm genuinely looking forward to a fair hard hitting game and hopefully the officials won't be the talking point. Don't rule out a replay  😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 13, 2018, 05:17:58 PM
Warrenpoint's discipline let them down again today; an unnecessary red card + some slobbering at the ref gifted the game to Castlewellan. Still tight at the bottom for the last relegation play-off place; Castlewellan, Downpatrick or Ballyholland. I'm told Rostrevor are safe (on points scored or head-to-heads).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 13, 2018, 05:45:17 PM
NCP shit themselves again lol looking forward to a few pints in the Point tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 13, 2018, 06:56:27 PM
Quote from: befair on October 13, 2018, 05:17:58 PM
Warrenpoint's discipline let them down again today; an unnecessary red card + some slobbering at the ref gifted the game to Castlewellan. Still tight at the bottom for the last relegation play-off place; Castlewellan, Downpatrick or Ballyholland. I'm told Rostrevor are safe (on points scored or head-to-heads).
Downpatrick and Ballyholland should be relegated automatically after last weeks disgraceful scenes. Time to stamp this moronic behaviour by hitting clubs hard. If the clubs dont feel the pain either in the pocket or in status then it will continue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 13, 2018, 09:50:02 PM
So the big final tomorrow...who will win...can Kilcoo make history and be the first to do 7 in a row or will Burren beat them...Kilcoo are as weak as they have been since there domination began with at least half a dozen fellas who would be starting out injured..the one thing they do have in an unbelievable will to win which will be hard to overcome. Burren on the other hand remind me of Mayo. If there is one team I never want to see in a final its Mayo because sure as hell they never win due to combination of factors (no bottle / lack of leaders / no stomach for the fight) and Burren to date have been the same and I suspect the same tomorrow.  On the other hand they are playing a Kilcoo team with at least half a reserve side out in place of there injured seniors....surely they wont fear this outfit no more and stand up. Somehow I doubt it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Insane Bolt on October 14, 2018, 05:36:47 PM
Well done Burren👍
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on October 14, 2018, 05:39:40 PM
Burren 2.12 v 2.9 Kilcoo
Well done Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 14, 2018, 05:40:12 PM
Going to get it out of the road
Well done Burren on a great win commiserations to Kilcoo
With the youth system Burren will be about for a long long time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: naka on October 14, 2018, 05:49:48 PM
Have to say down minor final very enjoyable
Burden keeper was excellent but Mc govern and grant for Ballyholland were sensational hopefully they continue to develop.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 14, 2018, 06:49:26 PM
Not often I say this but 2 good games in Newry today, the best teams won both games so congrats to Ballyholland and Burren, as Naka said Grant and Mc Govern were match winners for Harps, in the senior final the class of Donal O Hare was the difference, Kilcoo will lick their wounds and come again next year!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kingpins on October 14, 2018, 07:11:59 PM
Great sporting occasion today (which is the real winner ). Huge congratulations to ballyholland, a great side with classy players and just too good for us today. Well done to the seniors, commiserations to kilcoo and credit where due, today no old antics or unsporting conduct! They might be back, we go into ulster with no pressure, huge ask, (possibly not ready yet) but will aim to restore pride back to ulster club glory for the county as we have done so many time previously 😁👍#5ulstersinarow #proudhistory #futureisgreenandwhite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 14, 2018, 07:13:42 PM
Quote from: Targetman on October 14, 2018, 06:49:26 PM
Not often I say this but 2 good games in Newry today, the best teams won both games so congrats to Ballyholland and Burren, as Naka said Grant and Mc Govern were match winners for Harps, in the senior final the class of Donal O Hare was the difference, Kilcoo will lick their wounds and come again next year!!
Donal ohare was the difference. Cathsl Murdock 1st half free kick taking kept burren in it. Minor game very good open football. Really enjoyed it. £12.00 value for money. 12, 13, 14 for Harps very good
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on October 14, 2018, 07:50:16 PM
Quote from: Kingpins on October 14, 2018, 07:11:59 PM
Great sporting occasion today (which is the real winner ). Huge congratulations to ballyholland, a great side with classy players and just too good for us today. Well done to the seniors, commiserations to kilcoo and credit where due, today no old antics or unsporting conduct! They might be back, we go into ulster with no pressure, huge ask, (possibly not ready yet) but will aim to restore pride back to ulster club glory for the county as we have done so many time previously 😁👍#5ulstersinarow #proudhistory #futureisgreenandwhite
Give it a rest ffs, you have been trying to wind it up all week with the kilcoo bashing! This isn't a complaint but it is sweet tonight from a burren man with their own dark arts to close out game, with management kicking balls into pitches, systematic fouling including a very dangerous tackle from mckernan on young rooney! Not sour grapes as best team won but please open your eyes. Good luck to burren in Ulster and to the kilcoo team congratulations on a good year with all the hurdles that they had to overcome.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 14, 2018, 08:16:49 PM
Hard luck Kilcoo was rooting for them today as I thought it would be special to see 7 in a row being done. The amount of injuries affecting the starting team for Kilcoo took its toll, seeing Laverty came back on they had exhausted their best options from the bench (although i was surprised Aaron Brannigan wasn't thrown in maybe with 15 mins left). 3 of the Brannigan's getting yellow cards early on changed the way they liked to mark their men and it mean't Kerr, O'Hare and Toner got a bit more freedom. Its mad to think that some of that Kilcoo squad; Ryan Johnston, Darryl Brannigan, Darragh O'Hanlon and possibly a couple of others have won 2009-2011 Down Minor championships and then went on to win 2012-2017 Down Senior championships. Thats a serious medal collection 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 14, 2018, 09:08:34 PM
To Burren congrats....deserving winners on the day not only did you stand up when it counted but played some nice controlled football especially in the 2nd half...injuries caught up with Kilcoo but at the end of the day 6 in a row hasn't been a bad run! Ballyholland deserving minor winners...14 for Ballyholland very good they have some handy footballers coming through if they can just keep them together.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 14, 2018, 09:24:14 PM
Fantastic win for our seniors today. They kept the heads well in 2nd half and Donal O has found his ruthless streak again. Kilcoo kept at it and whilst they were missing a number of their top players, Burren had quite a few changes too from previous. Bringing Con Toner and Shay McArdle of the bench shows the strength in depth we have.
Our young lads done very well and will only grow in confidence now. Kerr was lively throughout and shipped a heavy tackle from Daryl Brannigan that could have subdued him. Kilcoo will believe that they can regroup and go again given their injuries but this might well be the monkey of our backs to bring more of the younger players through.
Thought Con Reynolds done a good job in the middle, kept control and allowed game to play when possible.
Ulster will be a new challenge but this group could provide a few shocks in it.
Unfortunately for our minors they came up against a great Harps side that have plenty of talent that was equally matched by a himger and work rate. They'll have given Ballyholland a real lift when badly needed.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 14, 2018, 09:54:03 PM
Two decent games in Newry today with Ballyholland minors the stars of the show. They are solid at the back with a serious midfield and McGovern and Grant were outstanding up front.

Burren just edged the senior final, probably through hunger across the pitch with Donal O'Hare bringing a touch of class to their attack and deservedly getting the MoM. His second goal, at the end of the best move of the day, was a particularly clinical piece of finishing and good enough to win any championship.

The Branagans are still a force of nature, and, with no USC to consider this Autumn, it would be a huge pity if the likes of Dabs and Genie went through their careers without finding out once and for all if they are county standard. They may not be the biggest, but they would bring pace, heart and total commitment to any squad. It was a pity to see Laverty, the best club player we have produced in the last 20 years, struggling, but Kilcoo
will be a threat again when they are able to field their strongest side, although the Johnstons showed very little discipine when they were most needed in the closing stages.

While the Ulster title is wide open this year, Burren would still need to improve sharply if they are to go on a run. They relied heavily on the four long range frees from Murdoch to keep them in the contest at half time, and they would be outsiders if they get Scotstown in the quarters, but they won't be worrying too much about that tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on October 14, 2018, 11:43:02 PM
Great to see positive posts on this thread regarding Down finals held today. For all the work that was undoubtedly put in to the four teams reaching this stage, hopefully it bodes well for the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 15, 2018, 01:37:10 AM
Utm my arse, best club player since 98 is not Laverty but in the top five. We are back and we are not going anywhere. It's coming home
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 15, 2018, 01:47:23 AM
It wasn't Lavertys day but he's up there as one of the best club players this 20 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 15, 2018, 02:17:54 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 15, 2018, 01:37:10 AM
Utm my arse, best club player since 98 is not Laverty but in the top five. We are back and we are not going anywhere. It's coming home

Win with dignity ya p***k. Half their first team was missing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 15, 2018, 08:02:18 AM
I said he was in the top five club players this past 20 years . Anyone for Mollies??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on October 15, 2018, 09:11:11 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 15, 2018, 01:37:10 AM
Utm my arse, best club player since 98 is not Laverty but in the top five. We are back and we are not going anywhere. It's coming home

Is that your prediction for your Ulster club championship run?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kingpins on October 15, 2018, 09:57:46 AM
Stevi nicks.. wind your neck in, take the beating and quit your crying!! Mc kernan met the fella with super shoulder, shouldnt even have been a free!! Lets put the jealousy and bitterness to one side and agree that the cream always rises to the top, u14s, u 16s, minor finalists, 2nds semi finalists, 3rds finalists, senior double!! The aristocrats of down football, always have and always will be!! Past, present and future champions!! As i said dominating a county for so long but yet no return in ulster marks failure in my eyes, you need to cement your clubs name in ulster glory to be recognised as a great team, lets be honest down hav'nt produced any great teams since ourselves and it looks like its going to be left up to us to repeat the glory in the years ahead again. Heads up to kilcoo though, tried so hard.. failed and will go down as decent team in our local club scene.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 15, 2018, 10:02:51 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 15, 2018, 01:37:10 AM
Utm my arse, best club player since 98 is not Laverty but in the top five. We are back and we are not going anywhere. It's coming home

Be prepared to have this quoted back to you this time next year if Burren do a bottle job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 15, 2018, 10:05:04 AM
Quote from: Kingpins on October 15, 2018, 09:57:46 AM
Stevi nicks.. wind your neck in, take the beating and quit your crying!! Mc kernan met the fella with super shoulder, shouldnt even have been a free!! Lets put the jealousy and bitterness to one side and agree that the cream always rises to the top, u14s, u 16s, minor finalists, 2nds semi finalists, 3rds finalists, senior double!! The aristocrats of down football, always have and always will be!! Past, present and future champions!! As i said dominating a county for so long but yet no return in ulster marks failure in my eyes, you need to cement your clubs name in ulster glory to be recognised as a great team, lets be honest down hav'nt produced any great teams since ourselves and it looks like its going to be left up to us to repeat the glory in the years ahead again. Heads up to kilcoo though, tried so hard.. failed and will go down as decent team in our local club scene.

This in a nutshell, a prime example of why Burren folk can be labelled an arrogant shower of pricks.
Aristocrats show class.
Wasnt much chirping for last 7 years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 15, 2018, 10:05:18 AM
Quote from: Kingpins on October 15, 2018, 09:57:46 AM
Stevi nicks.. wind your neck in, take the beating and quit your crying!! Mc kernan met the fella with super shoulder, shouldnt even have been a free!! Lets put the jealousy and bitterness to one side and agree that the cream always rises to the top, u14s, u 16s, minor finalists, 2nds semi finalists, 3rds finalists, senior double!! The aristocrats of down football, always have and always will be!! Past, present and future champions!! As i said dominating a county for so long but yet no return in ulster marks failure in my eyes, you need to cement your clubs name in ulster glory to be recognised as a great team, lets be honest down hav'nt produced any great teams since ourselves and it looks like its going to be left up to us to repeat the glory in the years ahead again. Heads up to kilcoo though, tried so hard.. failed and will go down as decent team in our local club scene.

Good man Kingpins you tell him ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 15, 2018, 10:05:23 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 15, 2018, 02:17:54 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 15, 2018, 01:37:10 AM
Utm my arse, best club player since 98 is not Laverty but in the top five. We are back and we are not going anywhere. It's coming home

Win with dignity ya p***k. Half their first team was missing.
As much as id like to see Burren do well in Ulster. Its comments and arrogance of the above would turn you off them. Thankfully i know alot of decent Burren people whom im delighted for and they wouldnt come out with the arrogance this clown constantly does. For Kilcoo to get so close to 7 in a row is a massive achievment for a club that were nowhere in the 80s and 90s. . The Benchmark in Down football. With a full strength squad thet willl be back next year. Hopefully more of their players will make themselves available for Tally.  Also hopefully Burren will bring through some of this promising crop of players they have to the county side. McKernan has been the only real classy olayer from that club to play for Down in a long time. Will highlights be on tg4 this evening i wonder
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 15, 2018, 10:07:34 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on October 15, 2018, 10:05:23 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 15, 2018, 02:17:54 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 15, 2018, 01:37:10 AM
Utm my arse, best club player since 98 is not Laverty but in the top five. We are back and we are not going anywhere. It's coming home

Win with dignity ya p***k. Half their first team was missing.
As much as id like to see Burren do well in Ulster. Its comments and arrogance of the above would turn you off them. Thankfully i know alot of decent Burren people whom im delighted for and they wouldnt come out with the arrogance this clown constantly does. For Kilcoo to get so close to 7 in a row is a massive achievment for a club that were nowhere in the 80s and 90s. . The Benchmark in Down football. With a full strength squad thet willl be back next year. Hopefully more of their players will make themselves available for Tally.  Also hopefully Burren will bring through some of this promising crop of players they have to the county side. McKernan has been the only real classy olayer from that club to play for Down in a long time. Will highlights be on tg4 this evening i wonder

I doubt it snoopdog regarding highlights... TG4 had no camera even at the match unless they borrow footage from BBC / UTV who both had a camera there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on October 15, 2018, 10:29:30 AM
Yesterday was a great advertisement for club football in Down. Burren also very deserving winners. Donal O'Hare and Toner had excellent games whilst PD was probably the standout player for Kilcoo. Thought Con Reynolds handled the game very well. Kilcoo have been fantastic champions and will be back. The Ulster championship is wide open this year with a few of the big hitters now gone. With a bit of momentum behind Burren anything can happen. 

The only disappointing thing on the day was two minutes before the final whistle a group of 17 - 18 year olds from Burren were waiting to run onto the field to celebrate (rightly so). A bunch of Kilcoo lads in the same age bracket burst past us on the terrace and ran to the terrace behind the nets were a bit of a row broke out but the stewards seemed to calm this. Whether they were provoked or not who knows but our games have had enough bad coverage without this happening!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 15, 2018, 10:42:57 AM
How can we improve the standards in East Down?? Have an East Doen team won a real championship this season, anyone got a roll of honour ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 15, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Jim are you the Burren eejit that was standing behind the goals banging the hoarding and roaring at the Kilcoo defenders with 5mins to go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 15, 2018, 11:03:33 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 15, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Jim are you the Burren eejit that was standing behind the goals banging the hoarding and roaring at the Kilcoo defenders with 5mins to go.

Lol. He jumped the fence when he saw 4/5 kilcoo children coming towards him.

Well done to Burren, better team on the day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 15, 2018, 11:11:37 AM
I wonder who will win club of the year ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on October 15, 2018, 11:15:15 AM
Quote from: Kingpins on October 15, 2018, 09:57:46 AM
Stevi nicks.. wind your neck in, take the beating and quit your crying!! Mc kernan met the fella with super shoulder, shouldnt even have been a free!! Lets put the jealousy and bitterness to one side and agree that the cream always rises to the top, u14s, u 16s, minor finalists, 2nds semi finalists, 3rds finalists, senior double!! The aristocrats of down football, always have and always will be!! Past, present and future champions!! As i said dominating a county for so long but yet no return in ulster marks failure in my eyes, you need to cement your clubs name in ulster glory to be recognised as a great team, lets be honest down hav'nt produced any great teams since ourselves and it looks like its going to be left up to us to repeat the glory in the years ahead again. Heads up to kilcoo though, tried so hard.. failed and will go down as decent team in our local club scene.
So you ignore the main point of my post, no crying at all, best team won without doubt. It was to point out to you that all teams use various methods legal and illegal to close out games! It was something new to me that when our keeper goes to take a kickout out one of your management took it on himself to kick another ball onto the pitch. Innovative I thought, not crying but according to you all week Kilcoo are big bad boys who use 'Dark Arts' and the good boys from Burren would't resort to any such tactics!
And as said before good luck in Ulster, tough game against Scotstown/Derrygonnelly but home advantage might count. Make the most of it because the decent club team will be back next year with hopefully a full deck of cards!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 15, 2018, 11:29:05 AM
Quote from: Kingpins on October 15, 2018, 09:57:46 AM
Stevi nicks.. wind your neck in, take the beating and quit your crying!! Mc kernan met the fella with super shoulder, shouldnt even have been a free!! Lets put the jealousy and bitterness to one side and agree that the cream always rises to the top, u14s, u 16s, minor finalists, 2nds semi finalists, 3rds finalists, senior double!! The aristocrats of down football, always have and always will be!! Past, present and future champions!! As i said dominating a county for so long but yet no return in ulster marks failure in my eyes, you need to cement your clubs name in ulster glory to be recognised as a great team, lets be honest down hav'nt produced any great teams since ourselves and it looks like its going to be left up to us to repeat the glory in the years ahead again. Heads up to kilcoo though, tried so hard.. failed and will go down as decent team in our local club scene.

Don't forget the blue shirts who tried and failed once they got out of Newry lol it's coming home lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 15, 2018, 11:38:29 AM
Will there be an open top bus in the point this evening parading the cup? only fair if there was.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 15, 2018, 11:48:54 AM
That would not be fair on CPN,they are being paraded eith their league runners up trophy and we nearly beat Kilcoo trophy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 15, 2018, 01:56:19 PM
The are 8 Down championships throughout the grades, 6/8 are held in 3 clubs a few miles apart. But yeah there is south Down bias lol it's coming home
Title: Anocht
Post by: drici on October 15, 2018, 03:32:05 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on October 15, 2018, 10:05:23 AM

Will highlights be on tg4 this evening i wonder


Yes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 15, 2018, 03:34:44 PM
Fair play to the Harps, a great side. Hopefully they stick to GAA and not get lost like the other Newry teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kingpins on October 15, 2018, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 15, 2018, 03:34:44 PM
Fair play to the Harps, a great side. Hopefully they stick to GAA and not get lost like the other Newry teams.

Jim.. enough is enough!! Come on now.. surely you have something to be doing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 15, 2018, 06:23:27 PM
After the shit I got on here, no chance. It's coming home lol  one in a row
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 15, 2018, 06:26:18 PM
Have laughed at you Jim all day. Your a nutcase but a funny one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kingpins on October 15, 2018, 06:46:27 PM
Stevi introducing another ball onto the field at a crucial time, yes it is illegal , but can anyone lose an eye from it or does anyone get insulted by a barrage of sledging from it.. to me they are the dark arts!!  Concentrate on football and who knows where it might take yous through time, sure just look where it got us over the years 😁
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mauricemoss on October 15, 2018, 08:10:32 PM
I'm immensely proud of our lads in black and white. What they've achieved over the past 9 years has been stuff of dreams and they're living legends in the village. They'll take a good break over winter and be back raring to go as always.

Fair play and congratulations to Burren, I've always enjoyed the games between ourselves and them and yesterday they beat us fair and square. Can have absolutely no complaints and wish them all the best in Ulster. I hope they represent the county well.

A very special mention to Ballyholland minors. Incredible performance. A great second half and for all the bad press and shite about them over the past few weeks, it's been great to see some good news for their club. Fair play to them young fellas, they've done the club proud.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on October 15, 2018, 08:44:18 PM
Congrats to Burren - deserved their win.

Cathal Murdock gave a masterpiece in long range free taking - what did he get - 4 of the first 6 burren scores? Dont think hes ever been in a down senior team? He hasnt got a bad haul of medals - including McRory, Hogan, Down Senior Champ
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 15, 2018, 08:50:00 PM
Quote from: general on October 15, 2018, 08:44:18 PM
Congrats to Burren - deserved their win.

Cathal Murdock gave a masterpiece in long range free taking - what did he get - 4 of the first 6 burren scores? Dont think hes ever been in a down senior team? He hasnt got a bad haul of medals - including McRory, Hogan, Down Senior Champ

I think Cathal had a spell in goal during the National league if I remember, about 6/7 years ago maybe. His free kicks in first half were exceptional.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 15, 2018, 08:50:21 PM
Is Mid Down Gael on holidays?? He usually has a few drunken posts around this time, his internet must have been down lol 1 in a row
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: one day on October 15, 2018, 10:21:35 PM
Great to see Downjim celebrating in the Point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 15, 2018, 11:44:38 PM
Utm utm utm utm
Lol lol lol lol
We are the champions my friend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 16, 2018, 10:43:36 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 15, 2018, 08:50:21 PM1 in a row

Not much of a row is it Jim?

I suppose Burren will be starting to assemble a few back-to-back titles with their youth teams starting to trickle through. (Or hopefully trickle through anyway.)


Although, it'd be nice to see Burren back to their usual spot next year (out on the pitch watching the trophy presentation with long faces) just to keep you quiet for a while longer yet!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 16, 2018, 10:54:36 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 18, 2018, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 17, 2018, 10:58:18 PM
Suppose Kilcoo are your big rivals now

To be a rival you have to beat the other team occasionally (in the matches that matter).  ;)


Lol
Song with all our childhood friends
And it went like this yeah, oops .......,,,,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 16, 2018, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 16, 2018, 10:54:36 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 18, 2018, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 17, 2018, 10:58:18 PM
Suppose Kilcoo are your big rivals now

To be a rival you have to beat the other team occasionally (in the matches that matter).  ;)


Lol
Song with all our childhood friends
And it went like this yeah, oops .......,,,,


Congratulations, you are now the rival that is 6-1 behind.

Well done you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 16, 2018, 11:33:58 AM
14-5-2

Bumpers in Burren are only taking cash this week, too many medals have been found in the change.

Btw has Donal let the Chocs out of his back pocket yet??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 16, 2018, 11:51:11 AM
I just drove past Bridge street in Newry and seen McIvor Snr and Jnr heading for the dole office 😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 16, 2018, 12:10:01 PM
Your a happy man now Jim I give you that! I didn't realise how much they had got under skin...but its good craic now all the same :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kingpins on October 16, 2018, 01:11:28 PM
In all grades how many times have we toppled kilcoo this year do you think, not including big red thon night 😁
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 16, 2018, 01:36:44 PM
Wouldn't be like a Burren pr*ck to be ungracious in victory. Think you are forgetting the fact that your minors got an absolute example made out of them about how to play football by a seemingly weaker and the underdog in the Harps.  Celebrate your clubs success by all means but don't make a d*ck out if yourself
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 16, 2018, 02:01:19 PM
Jimmy, take a chill pill 😉
In all seriousness has the red woken up yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 16, 2018, 02:13:15 PM
Lol
Red was in the back of a van on Sunday. He was afraid to go into the stand
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 16, 2018, 02:16:39 PM
Right I won't mention the slappings we have given to Kilcoo this year anymore 😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 16, 2018, 05:36:25 PM
Gaelic Life reporting that both RGU and Ballyholland kicked out of next years championship and several individual punishments handed out as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 16, 2018, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 16, 2018, 05:36:25 PM
Gaelic Life reporting that both RGU and Ballyholland kicked out of next years championship and several individual punishments handed out as well

both will appeal and be reinstated as per norm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 16, 2018, 05:43:29 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on October 16, 2018, 05:41:37 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 16, 2018, 05:36:25 PM
Gaelic Life reporting that both RGU and Ballyholland kicked out of next years championship and several individual punishments handed out as well

both will appeal and be reinstated as per norm
i'd say you'd get pretty short odds on them both being reinstated after an appeal. these type of punishments never seem to stick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on October 16, 2018, 06:30:48 PM
GAELIC Life understands that Ballyholland and RGU Downpatrick have today been informed that they will be excluded from next year's Down Senior Championship.

The punishment relates to the recent brawl that broke out between the sides in their league meeting in Kilcoo. Correspondence was delivered and both clubs have also received heavy individual punishments too from the Down CCC.

While both clubs were anticipating heavy sanctions, championship exclusion is likely to have taken them both by surprise. Although neither club was in a position to confirm, appeals seem inevitable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 16, 2018, 06:52:32 PM
What would acceptable punishment be?? If this is the case and they are omitted from next years senior championship it sets a very dangerous precedent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 16, 2018, 07:10:46 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on October 16, 2018, 06:52:32 PM
What would acceptable punishment be?? If this is the case and they are omitted from next years senior championship it sets a very dangerous precedent.

It sets a prettt good precedent in my view - if 14 of your players jump a fence to scrap in the car park, you're going to miss championship football. Seems fairly reasonable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 16, 2018, 07:16:28 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on October 16, 2018, 07:10:46 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on October 16, 2018, 06:52:32 PM
What would acceptable punishment be?? If this is the case and they are omitted from next years senior championship it sets a very dangerous precedent.

It sets a prettt good precedent in my view - if 14 of your players jump a fence to scrap in the car park, you're going to miss championship football. Seems fairly reasonable.

Yes I agree it should act as a good deterrent, but we all know there will be heated games over the next few years and boils over but not to the same degree as was witnessed in Kilcoo, will them teams also be expelled? Or do you have to clear the fence to warrant an expulsion. Where is the line drawn??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 16, 2018, 07:20:40 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on October 16, 2018, 07:16:28 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on October 16, 2018, 07:10:46 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on October 16, 2018, 06:52:32 PM
What would acceptable punishment be?? If this is the case and they are omitted from next years senior championship it sets a very dangerous precedent.

It sets a prettt good precedent in my view - if 14 of your players jump a fence to scrap in the car park, you're going to miss championship football. Seems fairly reasonable.

Yes I agree it should act as a good deterrent, but we all know there will be heated games over the next few years and boils over but not to the same degree as was witnessed in Kilcoo, will them teams also be expelled? Or do you have to clear the fence to warrant an expulsion. Where is the line drawn??

I think it's an exception for actively pursuing the other team outside the wire. You didn't get a slap breaking something up and react in the heat of the moment, you actively went seeking the confrontation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 16, 2018, 07:27:11 PM
The person who videoed it and sent it out will be popular in their club now, assuming they're from RGU or Ballyholland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 16, 2018, 07:58:30 PM
That punishment is prob about right. But yes where is the line drawn. Would a brawl on the field.warrant same punishment? .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 16, 2018, 08:09:25 PM
Would a brawl between Burren and Kilcoo warrent the same punishment? Ohh wait..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 16, 2018, 09:46:12 PM
I think a brawl that goes outside the wire, and involves players assaulting spectators, is very different from (the more regular) on field melee - which by and by large involves shouldering, pushing, shoving and a few punches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 16, 2018, 10:43:55 PM
While the scenes were bad in Kilcoo, these sentences are tough on the club and no doubt will be appealed, the championship is a strange one, relegation would have been a better deterrent. What everyone is thinking is that the pick of both teams would hardly win intermediate never mind senior lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 17, 2018, 07:14:02 AM
I dont really see the championship ban as a punishment. Any club that is in the bottom half of the table would love to skip championship weeks and just concentrate on improving league form. As Jim said relegation or points deduction for this year or next would have made more sense but sure...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 17, 2018, 08:32:28 AM
A lot of people are seeing the melee in Kilcoo as an isolated incident whereas it has to be take in account of the previous match - Just because the ruling of 'insufficient lighting' was cited those with cop on will know the game was abandoned because of the fracas. Two games marred by complete chaos has to be dealt with. I'm not saying what that punishment is, that's a long debate.

In terms of Burren - Congrats to them however there's a way to win and a way to lose. On here, in my opinion, the winners have lost. Gloat, be smug, but remember there's a line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 17, 2018, 08:58:51 AM
Obviously there was ill feeling from previous RGU v Ballyholland game. The main talking point of which was a player being kicked in the head and the kicker who was named by all who where at that game didn't get so much as a slap on the wrist.
Had that incident been dealt with properly and the head kicker been reported and suspended accordingly then there may have been a different mindset with both teams mindful of possible suspensions  going into the replay. Not reporting or dealing with a man who kicked a player in the head set the precedent for more aggro in the replay.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: APM on October 17, 2018, 09:02:13 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 17, 2018, 08:58:51 AM
Obviously there was ill feeling from previous RGU v Ballyholland game. The main talking point of which was a player being kicked in the head and the kicker who was named by all who where at that game didn't get so much as a slap on the wrist.
Had that incident been dealt with properly and the head kicker been reported and suspended accordingly then there may have been a different mindset with both teams mindful of possible suspensions  going into the replay. Not reporting or dealing with a man who kicked a player in the head set the precedent for more aggro in the replay.



F***in right!! The sooner people realise two wrongs make a right the better. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 17, 2018, 09:39:46 AM
Not what i meant APM, but reality is there was a mindset to settle scores from the previous game long before the ball was thrown in. Had there been suspensions from 1st game and appropriate warnings then do you think any players woyld have left the field. Not likely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on October 17, 2018, 09:50:21 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 17, 2018, 09:39:46 AM
Not what i meant APM, but reality is there was a mindset to settle scores from the previous game long before the ball was thrown in. Had there been suspensions from 1st game and appropriate warnings then do you think any players woyld have left the field. Not likely.

The game in Kilcoo there was not a bad tackle in it. This started between grown men behind the fence - which then the players got involved which they should not of.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 17, 2018, 10:00:28 AM
If Down CCC are making this up as they go along then it will be thrown out before it gets to appeal in Ulster.

It's time that the disciplinary code needs a good look at with the legal profession involved to reduce the amount of loopholes in it.

I'd be inclined to be specific on the punishments as such e.g.

Failing to control your players;
    Entering the field of play without Authorisation; 4 game ban, £500 fine to the club, 2 point deduction in league. expelled from Championship)
    Leaving the field of play without authorisation;  8 game ban, £500 fine to the club ( IIRC this currently is a 6 month suspension, but is never enforced)

If clubs fail to identify person or persons involved, Club removed from all GAA activity for 1 month. All games scheduled to be awarded to opponents.

Failure to control spectators;
   Spectators entering the field of play without Authorisation; 1 year ban, £500 fine to the club

So on and so forth.


The problem is that those issuing the current punishments are volunteers from other clubs with various views and prejudices working in the background and transparency needs to be key here.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on October 17, 2018, 10:00:29 AM
Quote from: banker on October 17, 2018, 09:50:21 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 17, 2018, 09:39:46 AM
Not what i meant APM, but reality is there was a mindset to settle scores from the previous game long before the ball was thrown in. Had there been suspensions from 1st game and appropriate warnings then do you think any players woyld have left the field. Not likely.

The game in Kilcoo there was not a bad tackle in it. This started between grown men behind the fence - which then the players got involved which they should not of.

So your Da is getting hit and you would stand and watch?

Agree shouldnt have happened but how many men would stand by and watch their father get hit?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 17, 2018, 10:02:19 AM
Quote from: Taylor on October 17, 2018, 10:00:29 AM
Quote from: banker on October 17, 2018, 09:50:21 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 17, 2018, 09:39:46 AM
Not what i meant APM, but reality is there was a mindset to settle scores from the previous game long before the ball was thrown in. Had there been suspensions from 1st game and appropriate warnings then do you think any players woyld have left the field. Not likely.

The game in Kilcoo there was not a bad tackle in it. This started between grown men behind the fence - which then the players got involved which they should not of.

So your Da is getting hit and you would stand and watch?

Agree shouldnt have happened but how many men would stand by and watch their father get hit?

None, but don't expect to be playing football/hurling for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 17, 2018, 11:07:16 AM
 Big game Sunday, what's the verdict??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 17, 2018, 11:16:03 AM
Crossmaglen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 17, 2018, 11:19:34 AM
Have a big of respect, Bredagh and Liatroim could be a cracker
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 17, 2018, 11:21:07 AM
I've heard of 48weeks 96weeks and lifetime bans been handed out..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on October 17, 2018, 11:36:02 AM
Quote from: Taylor on October 17, 2018, 10:00:29 AM
Quote from: banker on October 17, 2018, 09:50:21 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 17, 2018, 09:39:46 AM
Not what i meant APM, but reality is there was a mindset to settle scores from the previous game long before the ball was thrown in. Had there been suspensions from 1st game and appropriate warnings then do you think any players woyld have left the field. Not likely.

The game in Kilcoo there was not a bad tackle in it. This started between grown men behind the fence - which then the players got involved which they should not of.

So your Da is getting hit and you would stand and watch?

Agree shouldnt have happened but how many men would stand by and watch their father get hit?

Absolutely agree. I could not stand and watch my father being hit. But you would still expect a punishment. It is not as if his father was hit for no reason.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 17, 2018, 01:19:59 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 17, 2018, 11:07:16 AM
Big game Sunday, what's the verdict??
Bredagh 4/9, Liatroim 9/4, thats a great price for Liatroim, I think this will be a close one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 18, 2018, 05:04:23 PM
Just listening to the wooly podcast and they talked about the ban handed out up here. They read out that all senior teams have been suspended - does that mean they're out of reserve championship too or a complete ban next year as in league and all? Haven't seen anything official yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 18, 2018, 06:46:20 PM
Final series of league games this week; not sure about how the final standings are worked out. Castlewellan + Downpatrick have handy games against the Kingdom + Bryansford, who have nothing to play for, so should run up big scores. Ballyholland  and Rostrevor is the one interesting game; if Rostrevor are safe via head-to-heads, Ballyholland could take this one; the team that needs the win usually gets the win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 18, 2018, 09:16:04 PM
Will playoffs be next week then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 18, 2018, 09:22:59 PM
I would say do. Hearing trials for Down happening. 4 CPN lads about time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 19, 2018, 09:28:53 AM
Who are the 4 Point lads Smurfy ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2018, 09:38:34 AM
Not sure. But there is definitely 4 going to the trials. Whilst I agree we are not the finished article I think a few lads deserve a go. And without time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 19, 2018, 12:25:07 PM
They the players who near beat Kilcoo lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on October 19, 2018, 03:34:52 PM
Now that seniors is over, who do people fancy for the under 21's championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 19, 2018, 05:08:14 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 19, 2018, 12:25:07 PM
They the players who near beat Kilcoo lol
Should be a good representation from the club that did beat kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2018, 05:33:33 PM
Kilcoo reserves
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 19, 2018, 06:37:20 PM
Quote from: Petergriffin1 on October 19, 2018, 03:34:52 PM
Now that seniors is over, who do people fancy for the under 21's championship?

Rostrevor won minors, Shamrocks, and the Bridge should be ok.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 20, 2018, 06:01:46 PM
Very lack-lustre affair in Ballyholland; both teams depleted, either from injury or suspension, and when scores were equal with ~ 5 mins to go just played keep-ball till the final whistle, with no attempt to attack
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 21, 2018, 06:06:15 PM
Anyone have any ideas who makes trophy cabinets??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 21, 2018, 07:39:00 PM
Ask the Kilcoo folk can they lend ya one..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 21, 2018, 08:22:44 PM
The intermediate final in Newry today was a belter, with Bredagh going 12 up early in the second half and looking like they would cruise it before Liatriom came roaring back and got within a point before Bredagh broke away to get a point deep in injury time to win 3-13 to 1-17.  Liatriom also hit the underside of the crossbar through Pearse Og McCrickard late on, and only a brilliant save shortly afterwards from Odhran Devlin prevented a Liam Doyle goal. Both sides missed a stack of other chances and there were rows all over the field as it reached a climax. P J Davidson had a stormer for Liatriom but the star of the show was dual player Donal Hughes who got 1-9 for Bredagh and must surely get a chance to show what he can do in a red and black football jersey. Conor Francis who is already in the  squad was also outstanding, with Eoin Costello, a former Down defender, not far behind him. There was talk afterwards that Doyler may finally be retiring 20 years after his last intermediate final. If he had been fit in 2010, there is no doubt that we would have been all Ireland champions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 21, 2018, 08:33:05 PM
Yes must admit that second half was very entertaining indeed. Hughes was never a mile ahead of his marker but his quality on the ball waas plain to see. Thought Francis had a really good game too. Liatroim started very slow, maybe a bit of nerves. Took until 40 mins for them to come out of their shell. Good finish to the season for the Intermediate final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 21, 2018, 11:50:31 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 21, 2018, 06:06:15 PM
Anyone have any ideas who makes trophy cabinets??

Just put a cloth over it to keep the dust off it - no point youse going to the expense of a permanent fixture which will lie empty after next autumn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 22, 2018, 02:11:05 PM
IFC was end to end stuff at times. 1-17 to 3-13, 34 scores as opposed the 5 - 4 Antrim game. It wasnt for the faint hearted either, squeeky bum time indeed, but we got there. Not a bad way to end our season in Down for the club. Now to give Ulster a lash.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 22, 2018, 03:08:16 PM
is there any 1 in liatroim that could get a call up to the county set up? how did the young mccrickards go? ive heard plenty of talk about these young players coming through in liatroim !!maybe their first love is for hurly??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 22, 2018, 04:25:41 PM
U14 county champions
U16 county champions
Minor beat in final by Harps
Thirds beat in final by Bridge
Seconds beat in PRFC semi final by Bridge
Seniors county champions

Don't know if there is room for the u21 trophy😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 22, 2018, 04:41:25 PM
Quote from: Petergriffin1 on October 19, 2018, 03:34:52 PM
Now that seniors is over, who do people fancy for the under 21's championship?

burren look to be the strongest but a with some teams pulling in players from other clubs there might be a surprise or two
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 22, 2018, 08:44:38 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 22, 2018, 03:08:16 PM
is there any 1 in liatroim that could get a call up to the county set up? how did the young mccrickards go? ive heard plenty of talk about these young players coming through in liatroim !!maybe their first love is for hurly??
Pearse og had a good 2nd half and was influential in Liatroim making a game of it, should get a chance with the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 22, 2018, 11:30:55 PM
Pearse Og was the pick of the McCrickards but certainly not the best forward on display at Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 24, 2018, 11:12:11 AM
Match fixing in Down, what's Mooney on about?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on October 24, 2018, 12:02:25 PM
Rostrevor and Ballyholland arranged for their match to end in a draw. Video going about showing Rostrevor just passing the ball amongst themselves in their own half playing out time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 24, 2018, 12:33:32 PM
Would hope this is fake news
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on October 24, 2018, 12:42:02 PM
Apparantly Rostrevor were 9-2 up at ht. Rumours are once the sides went level both teams were happy to play out time and just pass the ball about.

https://twitter.com/ConorDoyle23/status/1054836033072828417?s=19
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 24, 2018, 12:44:10 PM
Is it bottom team relegated and the next 2 play off for the remaining place? if so it happens every year that if 2 teams just above relegation zones play each other in the last game and both need a point it nearly always ends in a draw.  Not sure there is much can be done about it.  If Spurs and Liverpool were 3rd and 4th going into last game of the season and Arsenal were 3 points behind would either team commit many players forward in last 10 minutes if it was 0-0?

                Pts   Diff
Rostrevor   21   -8
Ballyholland   20   -11
RGU Downpatrick   20   -56
An Riocht   13   -98
Saval   8   -117

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 24, 2018, 12:47:10 PM
Looks bad especially on John Fegan who manages Rgu, don't think he will be happy with his former teammates
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on October 24, 2018, 12:50:13 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 24, 2018, 12:44:10 PM
Is it bottom team relegated and the next 2 play off for the remaining place? if so it happens every year that if 2 teams just above relegation zones play each other in the last game and both need a point it nearly always ends in a draw.  Not sure there is much can be done about it.  If Spurs and Liverpool were 3rd and 4th going into last game of the season and Arsenal were 3 points behind would either team commit many players forward in last 10 minutes if it was 0-0?

                Pts   Diff
Rostrevor   21   -8
Ballyholland   20   -11
RGU Downpatrick   20   -56
An Riocht   13   -98
Saval   8   -117

Looks like it was pre-arranged.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 24, 2018, 04:28:19 PM
Similar outcome in 2nd division where St Johns played Ballymartin? Similar scoreline at Half time as well, both now have to play off against each other. Doubt that will be a draw!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 24, 2018, 04:35:41 PM
It's not Ballyholland or Rostrevors fault RGU are where they are. Concentrate on your own performance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on October 24, 2018, 05:46:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 24, 2018, 04:35:41 PM
It's not Ballyholland or Rostrevors fault RGU are where they are. Concentrate on your own performance

They have no one to blame for their league position but themselves. But you wouldn't like to think it was a pre-arranged agreement for the game to end in a draw which it looks like it was.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 24, 2018, 06:38:42 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on October 24, 2018, 05:46:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 24, 2018, 04:35:41 PM
It's not Ballyholland or Rostrevors fault RGU are where they are. Concentrate on your own performance

They have no one to blame for their league position but themselves. But you wouldn't like to think it was a pre-arranged agreement for the game to end in a draw which it looks like it was.

Bullshit.. It's like the Slaughtneil match were they held on to the ball for ages in midfield, they had no incentive to attack with ballyholland 15 men behind the ball and risk a counter attack and putting themselves in danger of losing.. Come the closing minutes neither team wanted to risk losing and settled for the draw, I doubt there were brown envelopes swapped before the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 24, 2018, 07:00:23 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on October 24, 2018, 05:46:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 24, 2018, 04:35:41 PM
It's not Ballyholland or Rostrevors fault RGU are where they are. Concentrate on your own performance

They have no one to blame for their league position but themselves. But you wouldn't like to think it was a pre-arranged agreement for the game to end in a draw which it looks like it was.

What is it that Downpatrick wish to achieve by peddling this myth?

Rostrevor's corner-back taking a black card for his team, cutting out a one-on-one with a trip, with 10 minutes to go tells you all you need to know about whether the game was competitive or not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 24, 2018, 07:22:29 PM
Rostrevor didn't need a draw, were already mathematically safe, so it was a dead rubber for them, which is why they fielded several regulars short.  In sport the team that needs the result usually gets the result. Over the season Downpatrick have only themselves to blame, tho it was weird cocktail of results in the end; if Castlewellan had beaten Bryansford, Ballyholland would have been in the bottom three on the head-to-head
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 24, 2018, 07:34:07 PM
Quote from: befair on October 24, 2018, 07:22:29 PM
Rostrevor didn't need a draw, were already mathematically safe, so it was a dead rubber for them, which is why they fielded several regulars short.  In sport the team that needs the result usually gets the result. Over the season Downpatrick have only themselves to blame, tho it was weird cocktail of results in the end; if Castlewellan had beaten Bryansford, Ballyholland would have been in the bottom three on the head-to-head

Not sure how Befair? Harps and RGU won their 2 encounters by 3 points apiece. Would that not have seen head to head ruled out, and onto scoring difference.

By my calculations, if Ballyholland has have won by 20-odd on Saturday and RGu had have won on 20-odd, and Castlewellan lost, Ros would have ended up in the playoff. Ros were as good as mathematically safe, but not quite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 24, 2018, 09:03:16 PM
Slaughtneil game was a good comparison. Harps line up with 15 behind the ball for last 2 mins after equalising to try and secure a draw and their place in div 1.  Rostrevor having just conceded 7 in a row would have been happy enough with a draw at that stage and were putting the emphasis on harps to come out and take it off them.
13 seconds of video tells the whole story of a game though doesn't it 😳
Do kingdom have a good chance in playoff with hoops missing so many!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 24, 2018, 09:08:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 24, 2018, 07:34:07 PM
Quote from: befair on October 24, 2018, 07:22:29 PM
Rostrevor didn't need a draw, were already mathematically safe, so it was a dead rubber for them, which is why they fielded several regulars short.  In sport the team that needs the result usually gets the result. Over the season Downpatrick have only themselves to blame, tho it was weird cocktail of results in the end; if Castlewellan had beaten Bryansford, Ballyholland would have been in the bottom three on the head-to-head

Not sure how Befair? Harps and RGU won their 2 encounters by 3 points apiece. Would that not have seen head to head ruled out, and onto scoring difference.

By my calculations, if Ballyholland has have won by 20-odd on Saturday and RGu had have won on 20-odd, and Castlewellan lost, Ros would have ended up in the playoff. Ros were as good as mathematically safe, but not quite.

You are probably right Wobbler; it all became a bit confusing. But we knew we were virtually safe
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 24, 2018, 11:41:00 PM
Green & Gold I don't know what your issue is, but how dare you accuse our club of match fixing. I can categorically say it is absolute nonsense that the result was 'prearranged'. Sounds like serious sour grapes and very very bad sportsmanship on your behalf.

For the record - if two teams were to tie for third bottom it went to head to head and the aggregate result between the two sides over the two league encounters. If this was level it then went to overall score difference. If three teams were to tie it immediately goes to score difference - this is where Rostrevor potentially could have been pulled into it if results had gone seriously wrong on the final day as was mentioned. So it wasn't a dead rubber.

However, when you are 7 points ahead and get pinned back to a draw with a couple of minutes remaining. and then the opposition refuses to push up on the man on the ball, why would you risk losing the game by going for a score against a blanket of 15 men. The video is 13 seconds long and the whole 'episode' last about a minute and a half maximum. Rostrevor didn't need to score, but didn't want to concede either, and they certainly couldnt control what the opposition did either. If a draw suited Ballyholland so be it, but there was certainly no agreement at any point that this would be the case, as has been implied on here. Slaughtneil is a good example indeed, and also last years SFC game Harps v Kilcoo where Kilcoo kicked the ball around among themselves for several minutes as Harps didn't put any pressure on, videos emerged of that too, but no claims of match fixing there.

The bottom line is Saval, An Riocht and RGU did not get enough points over 22 games to secure first Division football in 2019. None of them can blame anyone else but themselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on October 25, 2018, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 24, 2018, 04:28:19 PM
Similar outcome in 2nd division where St Johns played Ballymartin? Similar scoreline at Half time as well, both now have to play off against each other. Doubt that will be a draw!!

You at that match?

St John's would have been already playing in the playoff as Annaclone could not match their points and they could not catch Tullylish or Liatroim. Ballymartin were leading the game with a few minutes to go but St John's got a late goal to draw the game. Also a few red cards handed out during that game were players will be suspended for the play off game so I highly doubt it was a fix.

I could not see any club in Down doing favours for other clubs. It is impossible to even get matches re-scheduled without a huge argument so highly doubt teams are pre-arranging results of games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 26, 2018, 04:57:58 PM
Sources tell me Pete McGrath is available for the Rostrevor post next year, as the current manager is leaving. Amazing that it has taken so long for Pete to manage his own club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2018, 03:39:35 PM
Any word on when the county trials will be and who all has been asked to go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 27, 2018, 03:43:27 PM
Are Carryduff amalgamating at u21 again??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on October 27, 2018, 08:35:45 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2018, 03:39:35 PM
Any word on when the county trials will be and who all has been asked to go?

Started last night, Friday, in the Bridge. Another one tomorrow I believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 27, 2018, 09:07:29 PM
Apparently 40 at trials last night and 40 tomorrrow. Players from lower divisions getting a chance don't know if that's any good. Can't see many players from the lower leagues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 28, 2018, 05:55:04 PM
Great result for ballycran today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 29, 2018, 09:24:15 AM
Quote from: ardtole on October 28, 2018, 05:55:04 PM
Great result for ballycran today.

It was indeed and was against the odds and maybe SN underestimated them at their peril.

By all accounts if they can repeat their performance from yesterday in a fortnight's time then they can push the Dall as well.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 29, 2018, 10:06:37 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 29, 2018, 09:24:15 AM
Quote from: ardtole on October 28, 2018, 05:55:04 PM
Great result for ballycran today.

It was indeed and was against the odds and maybe SN underestimated them at their peril.

By all accounts if they can repeat their performance from yesterday in a fortnight's time then they can push the Dall as well.


where will the final be held?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 29, 2018, 03:49:55 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 29, 2018, 10:06:37 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 29, 2018, 09:24:15 AM
Quote from: ardtole on October 28, 2018, 05:55:04 PM
Great result for ballycran today.

It was indeed and was against the odds and maybe SN underestimated them at their peril.

By all accounts if they can repeat their performance from yesterday in a fortnight's time then they can push the Dall as well.


where will the final be held?

Either in Armagh or Owenbeg I'd say.

Crans should be pushing for Armagh as its a fierce jaunt to Owenbeg from the peninsula.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on October 29, 2018, 04:01:48 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 27, 2018, 03:43:27 PM
Are Carryduff amalgamating at u21 again??

Carryduff very strong at u21 on yesterday's evidence. Why they take players in from other clubs I will never know!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 29, 2018, 08:37:42 PM
McIver gone from the magpies
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 29, 2018, 10:03:44 PM
Disgraceful a club the size of Carryduff poaching other players. Saul were in the all county minor league with a full pick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on October 29, 2018, 10:18:59 PM
From a burren man👆
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 29, 2018, 11:26:59 PM
Pete McGrath the new Rostrevor manager. Announced tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 30, 2018, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 29, 2018, 10:03:44 PM
Disgraceful a club the size of Carryduff poaching other players. Saul were in the all county minor league with a full pick

are they not just sanctioned in as those player's own club aren't in the comp ? hardly poaching but I see your a bit of a WUM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 30, 2018, 12:25:57 PM
I was told this morning that Poacher is top of Kilcoos list, only as a coach though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 30, 2018, 04:46:12 PM
lol downjim😂, i wouldnt think kilcoo would have him about the place for all that!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 30, 2018, 06:18:23 PM
They would be a perfect match tbh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 30, 2018, 08:34:56 PM
lol ,did yous not like him when he was with yous?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 31, 2018, 12:07:53 PM
Mark Doran and Shorty heading to the Bridge by all accounts, strange
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 31, 2018, 08:46:51 PM
mark doran was interviewed  by the magpies to go along with the returning jim mccrory!! tho liatroim want him (doran) as the main man apparently!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 01, 2018, 12:01:55 PM
Mulholland for Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 01, 2018, 02:44:42 PM
Serious question : who are the up and coming coaches in Down. Who will be on everyone's wish list?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on November 01, 2018, 09:08:36 PM
downjim there doesnt seem to be 2 many within our county getting the chance, mark copeland? paddy muarry,mark doran ,poacher,but these are more in line of trainers tho? i wouldnt like a manager from inside my county to take our senior team for all that!  will paddy stay with burren ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on November 02, 2018, 04:05:41 AM
Brendan Mason, respected, talented and isn't a messer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on November 02, 2018, 06:42:09 AM
big gregory mccartan is making a bit of noise in london😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 02, 2018, 01:12:27 PM
I'm sure he is!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on November 04, 2018, 05:47:13 PM
Burren beat by Scotstown 0.13 to 0.10. Burren were 10 - 3 down after 40 mins but made a great effort to get to within 1 point 12-11. Good shout for a Burren penalty at at the end. Best team won though. Scotstown kicked 7 or 8 wides in 1st half and really should have been out of sight at half time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 04, 2018, 06:02:15 PM
Best team won alright but an unbelievable decision by Hurson not to award a penalty in the 60th minute. Disappointed that all three of our football representatives have fallen at the first hurdle again. County Board timing for the awards questionable to say the least
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on November 04, 2018, 06:30:59 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 04, 2018, 06:02:15 PM
Best team won alright but an unbelievable decision by Hurson not to award a penalty in the 60th minute. Disappointed that all three of our football representatives have fallen at the first hurdle again. County Board timing for the awards questionable to say the least

jesus wept  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 04, 2018, 06:41:35 PM
Looked like a clear cut penalty to all but the referee, also I don't think I've seen a goalie score from open play until Beggan did today, a good last 15 from Burren but not enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 04, 2018, 07:17:39 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 04, 2018, 06:02:15 PM
Best team won alright but an unbelievable decision by Hurson not to award a penalty in the 60th minute. Disappointed that all three of our football representatives have fallen at the first hurdle again. County Board timing for the awards questionable to say the least
What date would have suited then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 04, 2018, 07:40:56 PM
Catch yourself on ffs. Some tubes about this board. Blaming an awards night on defeats over the weekend? Burren were soundly beaten today and it's where this county is at the minute. Great comeback but down to the lack of accuracy by Scotstown. Not many potential Down players on show today. McKernan maybe
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 04, 2018, 08:24:21 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 04, 2018, 06:02:15 PM
Best team won alright but an unbelievable decision by Hurson not to award a penalty in the 60th minute. Disappointed that all three of our football representatives have fallen at the first hurdle again. County Board timing for the awards questionable to say the least

Re last sentence - one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this board and I've read some shite excuse my French. Plus ill informed I'll add.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on November 04, 2018, 08:24:35 PM
Quote from: Caitlin on November 04, 2018, 07:23:56 PM
I would have thought the awards would have been better in December or after the Ulster Club Championship. Bit unfair to have Donal Hughes on a night out in Newry hours before he had to make the long journey to Cootehill for a 2pm throw-in (plus extra time).
I'm sure Kevin McKernan could have done without a night out 36 hours before his club's biggest game in years. I think Burren were serious contenders for Ulster if they had got past Scotstown and it would have been nice to have the McFerran cup at a Down presentation for the first time in 30 years.

with respect, that's just an retrospective assumption with little foundation

awards could have been accepted on their behalf if preparation would be an issue

the date for the dinner was set last year and with guests travelling from all parts of Ireland and overseas it could not have been easy to schedule.

the day after the anniversary of the GAA being formed was a nice touch.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on November 04, 2018, 08:25:20 PM
😀any word of downjim ?  burren were beat by a better team!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 04, 2018, 08:29:52 PM
We were the last team to win Ulster and we will be the next team, that's for sure. A great year for the club and we are going to continue adding folks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on November 04, 2018, 08:41:10 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 04, 2018, 08:29:52 PM
We were the last team to win Ulster and we will be the next team, that's for sure. A great year for the club and we are going to continue adding folks.

You're not selling the caravan then? I suppose we can expect to see more mobile homes springing up around the 12 townlands.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 04, 2018, 09:51:43 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 04, 2018, 08:29:52 PM
We were the last team to win Ulster and we will be the next team, that's for sure. A great year for the club and we are going to continue adding folks.

Is that the transfer window open now Jim?

Who are youse looking to swoop for first? [Or is it all hush hush until negotiations are complete?]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on November 04, 2018, 10:44:48 PM
🙈was slaughtneil not the last team to win ulster?🤔
few boys from armagh 2 or 3 from the point direction  few from newry and yous might push on in ulster lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on November 05, 2018, 01:40:10 PM
Fair play to RGU on winning their playoff game v an riocht on Saturday albeit by using players that should really have been serving out their deserved suspensions.makes a mockery of the whole system and must find themselves very lucky to still be playing in division 1 next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on November 05, 2018, 04:01:16 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on November 05, 2018, 01:40:10 PM
Fair play to RGU on winning their playoff game v an riocht on Saturday albeit by using players that should really have been serving out their deserved suspensions.makes a mockery of the whole system and must find themselves very lucky to still be playing in division 1 next year.

How did that happen? Were the suspensions appealed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 05, 2018, 05:44:53 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on November 05, 2018, 01:40:10 PM
Fair play to RGU on winning their playoff game v an riocht on Saturday albeit by using players that should really have been serving out their deserved suspensions.makes a mockery of the whole system and must find themselves very lucky to still be playing in division 1 next year.
imo if one team finishes 7 points ahead of the other then they deserve to stay up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on November 05, 2018, 10:01:31 PM
Wouldn't disagree with that Sheedy but the fact remains allowing suspended players to play on Saturday had a big say in them staying up after a one off game in which they won by a point..The rules need to be looked at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 06, 2018, 12:02:02 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 04, 2018, 06:02:15 PM
Best team won alright but an unbelievable decision by Hurson not to award a penalty in the 60th minute. Disappointed that all three of our football representatives have fallen at the first hurdle again. County Board timing for the awards questionable to say the least

Ehh... kilcoo have been in two finals in recent years. Rostrevor were in intermediate final last year and loughinisland and cpn have both won intermediate in recent years. Down clubs have done reasonably well in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on November 06, 2018, 02:07:27 AM
Saw the Burren/Scotstown highlights on TG4 tonight; that was the most stonewall penalty I've ever seen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 06, 2018, 10:21:21 AM
Quote from: befair on November 06, 2018, 02:07:27 AM
Saw the Burren/Scotstown highlights on TG4 tonight; that was the most stonewall penalty I've ever seen
No doubt about it.  Clearly tripped by the Scotstown defender before another one came in and finished the job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on November 06, 2018, 12:49:19 PM
colin mccrickard away to the town as a trainer ?🙈
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on November 06, 2018, 12:54:59 PM
heard today from a good source  that colin mccrickard former liatroim and down star heavly linked to the senior managers role in the fontenoys,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
Saulduff must be big favourites for u21 championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on November 06, 2018, 03:48:59 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 06, 2018, 02:33:02 PM
Saulduff must be big favourites for u21 championship

This from a guy who records his club as 'newry'  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on November 06, 2018, 03:53:44 PM
"Saulduff" haven't had a Saul fella take the field yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 07, 2018, 07:15:06 AM
Shane Mulholland to Clonduff
Jim McCorry to Kilcoo
Tony Bagnell to Glenn
Danny Hughes to Saval
Ronan Sexton to Mayobridge
Paddy Hardy to Downpatrick

Anyone else hear any of the above
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on November 07, 2018, 12:31:13 PM
Tony Bagnall with Brendan Grant n Liam Bagnall confirmed in Glenn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ulsterman09 on November 07, 2018, 01:16:55 PM
Tony McEntee to Loughinisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 07, 2018, 01:50:25 PM
Quote from: Ulsterman09 on November 07, 2018, 01:16:55 PM
Tony McEntee to Loughinisland

Has the blue wave transformed into the greenbacks wave?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 07, 2018, 02:25:12 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on November 06, 2018, 12:02:02 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 04, 2018, 06:02:15 PM
Best team won alright but an unbelievable decision by Hurson not to award a penalty in the 60th minute. Disappointed that all three of our football representatives have fallen at the first hurdle again. County Board timing for the awards questionable to say the least

Ehh... kilcoo have been in two finals in recent years. Rostrevor were in intermediate final last year and loughinisland and cpn have both won intermediate in recent years. Down clubs have done reasonably well in Ulster.

Indeed, a pretty good representation in Intermediate at least the last few years. Loughinisland got to AIF too. Kilcoo for all their efforts haven't won it but as noted have been in Finals!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 07, 2018, 02:41:04 PM
Did Liatroim not win an Ulster title at intermediate or at least come very close to it way back at the inception of the competition when they had Doyle and McCrickard and McCartan etc just burst onto the scene.

Before Warrenpoints Ulster title success didnt they also lose an Ulster Final in Extra time to eventual AI Winners?

The same day i think Kilcoo were pipped by Cross maybe. A final remembered unfortunately for alleged reacist comments to a player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on November 07, 2018, 03:43:45 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 07, 2018, 02:41:04 PM
Did Liatroim not win an Ulster title at intermediate or at least come very close to it way back at the inception of the competition when they had Doyle and McCrickard and McCartan etc just burst onto the scene.

Before Warrenpoints Ulster title success didnt they also lose an Ulster Final in Extra time to eventual AI Winners?

The same day i think Kilcoo were pipped by Cross maybe. A final remembered unfortunately for alleged reacist comments to a player.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Intermediate_Club_Football_Championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 07, 2018, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 07, 2018, 02:41:04 PM
Did Liatroim not win an Ulster title at intermediate or at least come very close to it way back at the inception of the competition when they had Doyle and McCrickard and McCartan etc just burst onto the scene.

Before Warrenpoints Ulster title success didnt they also lose an Ulster Final in Extra time to eventual AI Winners?

The same day i think Kilcoo were pipped by Cross maybe. A final remembered unfortunately for alleged reacist comments to a player.

Yep, first year of it and no All Ireland series at the time. 1998 as per Maiden's link - same year that we beat Kilcoo in both intermediate final and division 2 league final...how times have changed!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on November 07, 2018, 07:09:33 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on November 07, 2018, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 07, 2018, 02:41:04 PM
Did Liatroim not win an Ulster title at intermediate or at least come very close to it way back at the inception of the competition when they had Doyle and McCrickard and McCartan etc just burst onto the scene.

Before Warrenpoints Ulster title success didnt they also lose an Ulster Final in Extra time to eventual AI Winners?

The same day i think Kilcoo were pipped by Cross maybe. A final remembered unfortunately for alleged reacist comments to a player.

Yep, first year of it and no All Ireland series at the time. 1998 as per Maiden's link - same year that we beat Kilcoo in both intermediate final and division 2 league final...how times have changed!
I think Kilcoo had only been promoted from division 3 the year before.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 07, 2018, 07:24:36 PM
I remember kilcoo in div 3 alright. Serious progress since then and no sign of slowing up. Definitely the benchmark for all clubs and inspirational for all small clubs in particular.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 07, 2018, 11:47:22 PM
I said it plenty of times before then Kilcoo and the Bridge came through the divisions and worked hard. I remember our seconds beating the Bridge seniors in div 4 around early 80s. These small clubs should be an inspiration to all small clubs in Down. Hard work pays off but the cream always sits on the top 😉😁
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on November 08, 2018, 09:08:44 AM
Agree with Downjim, I hear its Saulduff plus other clubs also. Surely cheating? Burren should give them a game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on November 08, 2018, 10:59:44 AM
Quote from: Petergriffin1 on November 08, 2018, 09:08:44 AM
Agree with Downjim, I hear its Saulduff plus other clubs also. Surely cheating? Burren should give them a game.

No, not cheating under the competition rules. agree should be a good contest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 08, 2018, 11:44:52 AM
Downjim, I probably should not bother, and no doubt you are correct to point out that Mayobridge lost a league game to an unheralded D4 side back in the early 1980s. However, some of us can recall that, during exactly the same period, Burren lost a championship match to Teconnaught, who were rank outsiders at the time and have spent the last few seasons in would you believe D4. Hard work can pay off regardless of a club's grading.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on November 08, 2018, 12:03:12 PM
glad to see downjim has got over their hammering in ulster and back to his good old self again😁,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on November 08, 2018, 01:59:27 PM
Lecale Gael, maybe not cheating but surely Carryduff and Saul both good enough to compete? Don't think it would mean as much winning a championship with some lads you maybe don't even know. What jerseys do they wear? Hopefully Kerr will be fit...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on November 08, 2018, 03:52:37 PM
Quote from: Petergriffin1 on November 08, 2018, 01:59:27 PM
Lecale Gael, maybe not cheating but surely Carryduff and Saul both good enough to compete? Don't think it would mean as much winning a championship with some lads you maybe don't even know. What jerseys do they wear? Hopefully Kerr will be fit...

Carryduff will wear their own jerseys as I see that is the team listed in the fixtures.

I presume any player(s) from any other clubs are involved by way of sanction to play for the duration of the competition because their own team not in the competition. I recall last season carryduff did similar and won the championship.

Maybe Burren can get players in from Bosco, Mitchels or Rostrevor next year if they so desire  ;D

I see Bryansford play Mayobridge in the other semi final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 08, 2018, 03:59:37 PM
Burren could try get players from Tullylish Rostrevor CPN or any of the Newry clubs
Oh wait!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 08, 2018, 04:11:15 PM
Oh he comes Smurfy with his smugness. Great year for the point, 3rd in league and we should have beat Kilcoo. Now can someone find me a pitch in the Point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on November 08, 2018, 04:19:00 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 08, 2018, 04:11:15 PM
Oh he comes Smurfy with his smugness. Great year for the point, 3rd in league and we should have beat Kilcoo. Now can someone find me a pitch in the Point.
There is one across from Mary Queen of Peace
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on November 08, 2018, 04:44:39 PM
The ford vs Mayobridge should be a good game also both doing well. Will be an interesting two games!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ulsterman09 on November 08, 2018, 07:06:52 PM
Frank Dawson Brendan Mason and some fella Frank McVeigh for kilcoo job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 08, 2018, 07:43:35 PM
Conor Deegan confirmed as Mayobridge manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on November 08, 2018, 08:34:38 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 08, 2018, 07:43:35 PM
Conor Deegan confirmed as Mayobridge manager

He must have given up his post as U.20 Manager as he can't do both.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 08, 2018, 09:25:18 PM
He must be on a ticket with Shorty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on November 08, 2018, 10:37:18 PM
Lots of fake news
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on November 09, 2018, 09:07:51 AM
Heard lots of reports of Dawson to Kilcoo, would be a good appointment for them to get back on track.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JohnStones on November 09, 2018, 10:58:21 AM
Dawson. Do me a favour. The man is a joke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 09, 2018, 11:01:16 AM
Most successful manager this decade other than McIvor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 09, 2018, 11:57:00 AM
You will find that's Jim McCorry clownjim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 09, 2018, 01:20:45 PM
NCP should employ Dawson, he might guide you to league runners up in 2019.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on November 09, 2018, 06:04:10 PM
I cringe for Burren every time I see you post something Jim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 09, 2018, 06:42:22 PM
Burren Paddy O Rourke
CPN Niall McAleenan
Mayobridge Mickey Walsh
Kilcoo Frank Dawson
Clonduff Keith Farrell
Bryansford Francie McKibben
Rostrevor Peter McGrath
Downpatrick John Fegan
Loughinisland Tony McEntee
Castlewellan Mark Dornan
Ballyholland Jackie lynch


Division 2
Saval Danny Hughes
Longstone Shorty Trainor
Kingdom Martin Clarke
St Johns John Mackey
Tullylish Mickey Mcveigh
Saul Donnie Brennan
Liatrom Gary Farrell
Bredagh Jody Gormley
Carryduff Paddy Dougherty
Darragh Cross Liam Hardy

Have I missed any
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 09, 2018, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: JohnStones on November 09, 2018, 10:58:21 AM
Dawson. Do me a favour. The man is a joke.

I'd agree with that - worked half the clubs in Down without ever achieving too much despite having some pretty handy squads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on November 09, 2018, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 09, 2018, 06:42:22 PM
Burren Paddy O Rourke
CPN Niall McAleenan
Mayobridge Mickey Walsh
Kilcoo Frank Dawson
Clonduff Keith Farrell
Bryansford Francie McKibben
Rostrevor Peter McGrath
Downpatrick John Fegan
Loughinisland Tony McEntee
Castlewellan Mark Dornan
Ballyholland Jackie lynch


Division 2
Saval Danny Hughes
Longstone Shorty Trainor
Kingdom Martin Clarke
St Johns John Mackey
Tullylish Mickey Mcveigh
Saul Donnie Brennan
Liatrom Gary Farrell
Bredagh Jody Gormley
Carryduff Paddy Dougherty
Darragh Cross Liam Hardy

Have I missed any
No idea where you got Marty at the Kingdom from
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 09, 2018, 09:19:20 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 09, 2018, 06:42:22 PM
Burren Paddy O Rourke
CPN Niall McAleenan
Mayobridge Mickey Walsh
Kilcoo Frank Dawson
Clonduff Keith Farrell
Bryansford Francie McKibben
Rostrevor Peter McGrath
Downpatrick John Fegan
Loughinisland Tony McEntee
Castlewellan Mark Dornan
Ballyholland Jackie lynch


Division 2
Saval Danny Hughes
Longstone Shorty Trainor
Kingdom Martin Clarke
St Johns John Mackey
Tullylish Mickey Mcveigh
Saul Donnie Brennan
Liatrom Gary Farrell
Bredagh Jody Gormley
Carryduff Paddy Dougherty
Darragh Cross Liam   
Have I missed any
Justin not Jackie Lynch at Harps, Gormley has left Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on November 10, 2018, 12:11:03 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 09, 2018, 06:42:22 PM
Burren Paddy O Rourke
CPN Niall McAleenan
Mayobridge Mickey Walsh
Kilcoo Frank Dawson
Clonduff Keith Farrell
Bryansford Francie McKibben
Rostrevor Peter McGrath
Downpatrick John Fegan
Loughinisland Tony McEntee
Castlewellan Mark Dornan
Ballyholland Jackie lynch


Division 2
Saval Danny Hughes
Longstone Shorty Trainor
Kingdom Martin Clarke
St Johns John Mackey
Tullylish Mickey Mcveigh
Saul Donnie Brennan
Liatrom Gary Farrell
Bredagh Jody Gormley
Carryduff Paddy Dougherty
Darragh Cross Liam Hardy

Have I missed any
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Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on November 09, 2018, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: JohnStones on November 09, 2018, 10:58:21 AM
Dawson. Do me a favour. The man is a joke.

I'd agree with that - worked half the clubs in Down without ever achieving too much despite having some pretty handy squads.

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on November 09, 2018, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: JohnStones on November 09, 2018, 10:58:21 AM
Dawson. Do me a favour. The man is a joke.

I'd agree with that - worked half the clubs in Down without ever achieving too much despite having some pretty handy squads.

I agree . Have kilcoo thought this through
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on November 10, 2018, 12:23:28 AM
Liam Hardy left Darragh Cross year ago...
Donnie Brennan at Saul?
Dougherty manager of the Duff?
To name a few...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on November 10, 2018, 11:06:12 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 08, 2018, 07:43:35 PM
Conor Deegan confirmed as Mayobridge manager

;D

Sure your bound to know he was ratified as the Down U20's several weeks back and likewise McCartan as minor so they not be in the annual managers merrygoround. Not allowed to double job anymore...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on November 10, 2018, 08:53:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 09, 2018, 06:42:22 PM
Burren Paddy O Rourke
CPN Niall McAleenan
Mayobridge Mickey Walsh
Kilcoo Frank Dawson
Clonduff Keith Farrell
Bryansford Francie McKibben
Rostrevor Peter McGrath
Downpatrick John Fegan
Loughinisland Tony McEntee
Castlewellan Mark Dornan
Ballyholland Jackie lynch


Division 2
Saval Danny Hughes
Longstone Shorty Trainor
Kingdom Martin Clarke
St Johns John Mackey
Tullylish Mickey Mcveigh
Saul Donnie Brennan
Liatrom Gary Farrell
Bredagh Jody Gormley
Carryduff Paddy Dougherty
Darragh Cross Liam Hardy

Have I missed any

Tom McMahon is Darragh Cross manager
Eamon Morgan Tullylish manager
Marty Clarke not at St John's?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 11, 2018, 10:46:09 AM
Rumours in the Point last night that the Bridge were trying to poach managers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on November 11, 2018, 04:55:58 PM
Carryduff combo team beat Burren today in U21 semi final. Just about deserved it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 11, 2018, 05:29:07 PM
Is this the 3-4 teams combined and no call for it? Hardly fair
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedBlackPurpleGold on November 11, 2018, 05:51:12 PM
It's 2 players not from Carryduff,  sure we are missing 3 of last year's team due to injury(all Carryduff players!)
We are not the only team with outside players in the U21 competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 11, 2018, 05:59:00 PM
Carryduff have dominated underage at this level throughout underage why do they need to bring in other players? How does this benefit your club in the long term? I can see into it the teams that go join as they are weak but for Carryduff to do it and are allowed to do it is a joke. The system is all wrong. If Carryduff win it's not beneficial for them as a club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on November 11, 2018, 06:00:20 PM
Quote from: RedBlackPurpleGold on November 11, 2018, 05:51:12 PM
It's 2 players not from Carryduff,  sure we are missing 3 of last year's team due to injury(all Carryduff players!)
We are not the only team with outside players in the U21 competition.
It's great for those 2 players to get to play Burren etc as well. The amalgamated teams in general might even help Conor Deegan see a few players that he otherwise wouldn't see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 11, 2018, 06:01:50 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 11, 2018, 05:59:00 PM
Carryduff have dominated underage at this level throughout underage why do they need to bring in other players? How does this benefit your club in the long term? I can see into it the teams that go join as they are weak but for Carryduff to do it and are allowed to do it is a joke. The system is all wrong. If Carryduff win it's not beneficial for them as a club.

Yis are looking at this inside out.

Saul would, I'm guessing, struggled to make an u21 team this year, let alone a competitive one.

So would you rather them lads don't play u21 club football?
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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 11, 2018, 06:10:08 PM
I'd rather they joined up with a team who have not dominated this group in the way up through underage. Yes the lads are doing nothing wrong but join in with Downpatrick or Darragh Cross.
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Post by: thewobbler on November 11, 2018, 06:14:10 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 11, 2018, 06:10:08 PM
I'd rather they joined up with a team who have not dominated this group in the way up through underage. Yes the lads are doing nothing wrong but join in with Downpatrick or Darragh Cross.

I'd like to think that any right minded Saul man would sooner easy his spleen than join forces with RGU.

Re Darragh. Here's the problem with u21 championship. It's a high standard, it's expansive to enter. Entering a team for the sake of it is a waste of everyone's time.
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Post by: Lecale Gael on November 11, 2018, 06:24:48 PM
so its a Carryduff v Bryansford final

the Ford looking very strong and look certs to win this
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Post by: RedBlackPurpleGold on November 11, 2018, 06:32:31 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 11, 2018, 05:59:00 PM
Carryduff have dominated underage at this level throughout underage why do they need to bring in other players? How does this benefit your club in the long term? I can see into it the teams that go join as they are weak but for Carryduff to do it and are allowed to do it is a joke. The system is all wrong. If Carryduff win it's not beneficial for them as a club.

carryduff didn't  dominate  at this level,  they were no where near the top teams. Shamrocks won 14 & 16 and Rostrevor the minor.  This year's team is an U 20 side except  for 1 player,  similar  to Burren who have only  a few not available  next year
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Post by: ApresMatch on November 11, 2018, 07:34:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 11, 2018, 06:14:10 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 11, 2018, 06:10:08 PM
I'd rather they joined up with a team who have not dominated this group in the way up through underage. Yes the lads are doing nothing wrong but join in with Downpatrick or Darragh Cross.

I'd like to think that any right minded Saul man would sooner easy his spleen than join forces with RGU.

Re Darragh. Here's the problem with u21 championship. It's a high standard, it's expansive to enter. Entering a team for the sake of it is a waste of everyone's time.
Was worthwhile venture for Darragh! Got 4 weeks training, a challenge game and two hard games. Will bring few more through to our senior panel which is what we need. Minors got introduced to a higher standard of physical football. We've consistently entered U21s over last few years to compete and it's had positive impact on senior team and the battle with dropout!
U21s is an excellent bridge from minor to senior!
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Post by: Petergriffin1 on November 12, 2018, 09:03:08 AM
Saul were a good minor team and definitely could've fielded an u21 team I imagine. They also have many players who have played at senior level for Saul this year. If Liam Kerr was fit I feel Burren would've won. As for the ford, they are putting away high scores and will be favourites. Although, I hear the referee was a young lad who went to school and knew majority of the Ford players which would be a huge advantage.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 12, 2018, 10:39:18 AM
Welcome to Down football
Val Andrews
Mark Harte
Conleth Gilligan
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Post by: Maiden1 on November 12, 2018, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 12, 2018, 10:39:18 AM
Welcome to Down football
Val Andrews
Mark Harte
Conleth Gilligan
Didn't Mark Harte manage Tullylish a few years ago?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 12, 2018, 10:58:57 AM
Yes and done a great job
Downpatrick
Clonduff
Bryansford
Mayobridge
Kilcoo
Loughinisland

All going big from reports. The sidelines next year will be exciting.
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Post by: banker on November 12, 2018, 02:05:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 12, 2018, 10:39:18 AM
Welcome to Down football
Val Andrews
Mark Harte
Conleth Gilligan

Which clubs are these men going to?
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Post by: Petergriffin1 on November 12, 2018, 03:04:35 PM
Really excited to see how Frank Dawson gets on with Kilcoo, think he will suit their game well and get them back to winning ways. Any truth in McIver too Burren?
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Post by: thebar on November 12, 2018, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 12, 2018, 10:58:57 AM
Yes and done a great job
Downpatrick
Clonduff
Bryansford
Mayobridge
Kilcoo
Loughinisland

All going big from reports. The sidelines next year will be exciting.

Bryansford? You know something Smurfy?
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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 12, 2018, 06:07:34 PM
Are they not on the look out for a new manager?
Harte will be good for Clonduff
Mayobridge look likely to hire Paddy Andrews
Conketh Gilligan Downpatrick
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Post by: Targetman on November 12, 2018, 06:18:26 PM
Is Dawson's appointment at Kilcoo confirmed? or is this speculation
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Post by: supersub on November 12, 2018, 06:24:13 PM
Absolute bollox is what it is. Pardon my French.
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Post by: champion1981 on November 12, 2018, 07:47:28 PM
jim mccory and frank the tank dawson now confirmed as kilcoo's management team on a 4 year deal!! massive statement of intent from the magpies here!! serious £££ id say
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Post by: Targetman on November 12, 2018, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 12, 2018, 06:24:13 PM
Absolute bollox is what it is. Pardon my French.
Didn't think Kilcoo would entertain the journeyman!! Will be interesting to see who they do appoint
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Post by: Last Caress on November 12, 2018, 08:53:40 PM
Don't believe any off this. Just wait for the clubs to officially announce these appointments. 
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Post by: supersub on November 12, 2018, 11:31:09 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on November 12, 2018, 07:47:28 PM
jim mccory and frank the tank dawson now confirmed as kilcoo's management team on a 4 year deal!! massive statement of intent from the magpies here!! serious £££ id say

4 year deal? Are we suddenly in the English Premier League?
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Post by: champion1981 on November 13, 2018, 07:54:10 AM
supersub ,the way some players carry themselves  now you would think we were in the bpl! but instead of jim and frank going into kilcoo and in their first season they dont win the sfc do kilcoo let them go ???? think thats y these men says its a 4 year process!!!
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Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 13, 2018, 09:59:47 AM
Quote from: Targetman on November 12, 2018, 06:18:26 PM
Is Dawson's appointment at Kilcoo confirmed? or is this speculation

Hope tae f**k its speculation!
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Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 13, 2018, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: supersub on November 12, 2018, 11:31:09 PM
Are we suddenly in the English Premier League?

Eh?

Sure Burren have been working the transfer windows for decades now.
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Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 13, 2018, 10:03:59 AM
Quote from: champion1981 on November 13, 2018, 07:54:10 AM
supersub ,the way some players carry themselves  now you would think we were in the bpl! but instead of jim and frank going into kilcoo and in their first season they dont win the sfc do kilcoo let them go ???? think thats y these men says its a 4 year process!!!

I smell BS.

I don't think they could be taken seriously if they announce it is a 4 year process to turn the team that has won 6 of the last 7 championships and lost the last one in the final with half a dozen injuries into a team that wins it again?

So now I doubt the whole story.
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Post by: downjim on November 13, 2018, 12:15:11 PM
I was very impressed with Carryduff on Sunday and if they can keep  them boys through it won't be long to they are in the top tier.  Kilcoo looking a big name to bounce back.
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Post by: champion1981 on November 13, 2018, 12:49:40 PM
raidogaagaa ,😂😓😥, when i counted the players @start of game yous had 15 just like burren! stop making excuses!!
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Post by: champion1981 on November 13, 2018, 12:52:55 PM
downjim,would dawson be a big name for the magpies? is paddy staying with yous?
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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 13, 2018, 12:57:32 PM
Welcome to Down football Martin McHugh
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Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 13, 2018, 07:23:57 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on November 13, 2018, 12:49:40 PM
raidogaagaa ,😂😓😥, when i counted the players @start of game yous had 15 just like burren! stop making excuses!!

The point is, if those players are available, do you think it'd take 4 years to turn the squad into championship winners?
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Post by: champion1981 on November 13, 2018, 08:54:29 PM
time will tell gaagaa, but mayobridge prob thought the same after 09 ,in my opinion the bridge were a better team than this current kilcoo team and they havnt won it since 08,though i would love to have seen these 2 great teams play against eachother in their prime, 😊
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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 13, 2018, 10:07:14 PM
Jody Gormley the new Manager of Loughinisland? Big move
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Post by: Cuan12 on November 14, 2018, 06:07:30 AM
Any one on here explain why two east down teams have to play the u 21 championship final in hill town, surely there is a pitch available in east down, utter nonsense , no regard for supporters of bryansford and carryduff
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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 14, 2018, 07:17:26 AM
I would say other pitches are closed for the year
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Post by: Lloyd p on November 14, 2018, 11:59:26 AM
Great appointment from loughinisland last night they have real potential to go well this year.Any other legitimate management posts confirmed other than the BS posted on here previously?
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Post by: banker on November 14, 2018, 02:03:10 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on November 14, 2018, 11:59:26 AM
Great appointment from loughinisland last night they have real potential to go well this year.Any other legitimate management posts confirmed other than the BS posted on here previously?

The bridge announced their management team on twitter last night. Fergal Reel and Colin Laverty.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 14, 2018, 02:25:25 PM
Silverbridge duo Fergal Reel and Colin Laverty. Reel done a decent job with a star studded Pats team in Louth but his last 2 jobs in Monaghan ended very badly. Clontiberet was a disaster for him. CPN were close to appointing him last year but went for Niall McAleenan instead. Oldschool management style but that can be a good thing. Any word Frank Dawson is close to putting paper to Kilcoo?
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Post by: champion1981 on November 14, 2018, 09:02:57 PM
massive news coming out of kilcoo tonight, apparently mickey moran is the man they want
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Post by: snoopdog on November 14, 2018, 09:15:17 PM
Is there nobody within Down that can be given a chance to manage the clubs. As a county there must be some amount of money lining outside managers pockets. Yes Burren have one of their own but stevie mcdonnell isnt there for free. Would jerome johnson not get a chance with his own club? Maybe its a position he has had in the past. 
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Post by: champion1981 on November 14, 2018, 09:18:27 PM
snoopdog do u really think paddy isnt getting paid in burren?? id say jeromes biggest hurdle is that this year he will have 3 sons there! maybe a selector or a role below the manager ?
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Post by: general on November 14, 2018, 09:37:12 PM
Mickey Moran Appointed Kilcoo Senior Team Manager

Eoghan Rua Cill Chua CLG are delighted to announce the appointment of Mickey Moran as senior team manager on a 3 year term.
Mickey was unanimously ratified at a club committee meeting this evening and the club are over the moon that the Glen Maghera man has agreed to become our manager.
Moran is a former Derry player and manager, and is renowned as one of the top coaches in the GAA. He had spells as manager in Mayo, Donegal, Leitrim and Sligo in the past and more recently led Slaughtneil to 4 Derry and 3 Ulster club titles.

Also part of the new management team will be Conleith Gilligan, who will act as team trainer.
Conleith is also a former Derry player and only this season retired from a very successful club career with his native Ballinderry Shamrocks.
A prolific forward, Gilligan won an All Ireland club Title, two ulster club titles and seven Derry championships with the Lough Shore club.
In recent years he has took up some coaching/training roles while still playing and is highly rated in this regard.

Paul Devlin will also be part of management team in a coaching role. Paul is also a Native of the Oak Leaf County.

We wish our new management team and players all the best for the 2019 season.

#UTM 🏁

Ref: Kilcoo Facebook

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Post by: general on November 14, 2018, 09:40:45 PM
Supposedly Frank Dawson turned down the water boy job at Kilcoo as the package offered was not good enough. Believe this if you wish.

It's as realistic as some of the other tripe being I've read here recently  ;D
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Post by: naka on November 14, 2018, 09:46:05 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 13, 2018, 10:07:14 PM
Jody Gormley the new Manager of Loughinisland? Big move
Hopefully he gets better results than he does at the abbey🙈
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Post by: Ambrose on November 14, 2018, 09:50:31 PM
Great appointment for Kilcoo, they've reacted to the championship defeated exactly as you would expect them to. It would be great to see more of them making themselves available to the county team, they have been the best team in the county for nearly a decade but have been badly underrepresented for whatever reasons for too long.

Mayobridge   ::)
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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 14, 2018, 10:08:24 PM
That's a big big statement from Kilcoo withtgat management team. They sure will bounce back this year. Possibly as good a club management team in Ireland. Moran Gilligan and Devlin. In shock at the calibre in the one management team. The other teams in Down will not like to see that.
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Post by: Mourne Red on November 14, 2018, 10:17:11 PM
The JP McManus is being used well by clubs it seems! Some good appointments so far
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Post by: OgraAnDun on November 14, 2018, 10:17:51 PM
Serious money being thrown around there.
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Post by: champion1981 on November 14, 2018, 10:26:49 PM
fair play to kilcoo. massive massive appointments there,good luck to them! however they managed to pull that 1 of i dont know but fair fu@ks to them!! no price on success!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on November 14, 2018, 10:31:44 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 14, 2018, 09:15:17 PM
Is there nobody within Down that can be given a chance to manage the clubs. As a county there must be some amount of money lining outside managers pockets. Yes Burren have one of their own but stevie mcdonnell isnt there for free. Would jerome johnson not get a chance with his own club? Maybe its a position he has had in the past.

Clubs obviously don't feel they have men in house that are fit for the job. Is that down to no investment into coaching over the last 2 decades in the county? We have only seen in the last 2 years a bit of investment into this and still is nothing major compared to other counties.

From the top 2 divisions there must only be 5-6 clubs with clubmen as current managers - Burren, Rostrevor, Glenn, Tullylish, Darragh Cross. There may be a few more but I wouldn't say too many!
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Post by: Targetman on November 14, 2018, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: naka on November 14, 2018, 09:46:05 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 13, 2018, 10:07:14 PM
Jody Gormley the new Manager of Loughinisland? Big move
Hopefully he gets better results than he does at the abbey🙈
That wouldn't be hard, I'd say his work colleague Dan Gordon played a part in his appointment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 15, 2018, 10:22:50 AM
What's that smell?????


Desperation 😩
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on November 15, 2018, 12:06:08 PM
thats fear u smell downjim lol
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Post by: thebar on November 15, 2018, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on November 15, 2018, 12:06:08 PM
thats fear u smell downjim lol
i think its running down his legs  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on November 16, 2018, 11:31:47 AM
All managers confirmed for next season then? or still some clubs looking? Clonduff, Bryansford?
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Post by: SamFever on November 16, 2018, 04:29:35 PM
Quote from: Petergriffin1 on November 16, 2018, 11:31:47 AM
All managers confirmed for next season then? or still some clubs looking? Clonduff, Bryansford?
And we'll all being selling Down Club draw tickets to pay for these Managers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 16, 2018, 05:15:51 PM
Need to sell a lot about Kilcoo!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on November 16, 2018, 11:44:04 PM
😂😂 jealous much targetman?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 17, 2018, 04:34:57 PM
Not a bit, fair play to Kilcoo, will be interesting next season!!
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Post by: Ed Hardy on November 17, 2018, 07:35:37 PM
Any word on how the county trials went? Many new players called into squad?
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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 18, 2018, 05:12:29 PM
Big win for saulduffteccisland today. Can they now enter ulster with half of east down on board? Why do they need to do it?
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Post by: east down gael on November 18, 2018, 05:15:50 PM
Pathetic comment
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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 18, 2018, 05:20:39 PM
Why is it pathetic?
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Post by: Centre 3/4 on November 18, 2018, 05:30:52 PM
There's one player from Saul and one from teconnaght who apparently won't be back to them next year, island bit is just you being an idiot
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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 18, 2018, 05:36:59 PM
Why won't he be back? 3 teams joined together is a bit much
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Post by: east down gael on November 18, 2018, 05:37:19 PM
Also,they weren't playing some south down minnows.they were playing burren,a team who don't take in players on a sanction then let them back to their clubs.they just take in players.
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Post by: Targetman on November 18, 2018, 08:16:48 PM
They were playing Bryansford, I was at the match and Carryduff (or whatever) won easily 3-7 - 0-3, Laverty from Saul makes a difference, a good player
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Post by: Lecale Gael on November 19, 2018, 12:21:42 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 18, 2018, 05:12:29 PM
Big win for saulduffteccisland today. Can they now enter ulster with half of east down on board? Why do they need to do it?

2 players in for an opportunity to play u21 championship football is hardly half of East Down. Why type tripe. should these lads not experience this level of football if their own club aren't in the competition ?

I am near sure I read somewhere that Bryansford had lads in on a similar sanction when they beat Carryduff in the minor championship

Looks like its more a need for the individual player to play than the club to accomodate it
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Post by: Aristo 60 on November 19, 2018, 10:39:21 AM
Bryansford?

Don't you all mean Dunforddrum?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on November 20, 2018, 07:58:42 AM
Lot of jealousy from Burren and Warrenpoint clubs , Carryduff deserve their win, if they have a couple of players from other clubs, so what , they will go back to their own clubs , unlike Burren who actively pursue young players from neighbouring clubs , good luck to Carryduff in Ulster .
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Post by: SamFever on November 20, 2018, 09:29:40 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on November 20, 2018, 07:58:42 AM
Lot of jealousy from Burren and Warrenpoint clubs , Carryduff deserve their win, if they have a couple of players from other clubs, so what , they will go back to their own clubs , unlike Burren who actively pursue young players from neighbouring clubs , good luck to Carryduff in Ulster .
Hearing there were altercations in the Holylands on Sunday
night between Bryansford&Carryduff players after the U21 Final.
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Post by: Petergriffin1 on November 21, 2018, 08:59:28 AM
That's not good... hopefully nobody badly hurt??
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Post by: SamFever on November 21, 2018, 11:10:02 AM
Quote from: Petergriffin1 on November 21, 2018, 08:59:28 AM
That's not good... hopefully nobody badly hurt??
I think there were A&E visits required.
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Post by: SHEEDY on November 21, 2018, 05:46:12 PM
Quote from: Petergriffin1 on November 21, 2018, 04:42:40 PM
Heard Frank Dawson has approached Clonduff for the following season, could be fake news but would be interesting
mark harte has already been confirmed as new manager by clonduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 22, 2018, 10:22:54 AM
Quote from: SamFever on November 20, 2018, 09:29:40 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on November 20, 2018, 07:58:42 AM
Lot of jealousy from Burren and Warrenpoint clubs , Carryduff deserve their win, if they have a couple of players from other clubs, so what , they will go back to their own clubs , unlike Burren who actively pursue young players from neighbouring clubs , good luck to Carryduff in Ulster .
Hearing there were altercations in the Holylands on Sunday
night between Bryansford&Carryduff players after the U21 Final.

There was indeed and one fella took a hell of a beating.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on November 26, 2018, 11:24:43 PM
How can a suspended member of the association be appointed to a divisional board within this county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 27, 2018, 10:24:09 AM
I'm hearing we're moving to U13/U15/U17 in 2020, anyone else hear that as well?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on November 27, 2018, 12:20:55 PM
How can a suspended member of the association be appointed to a divisional board within this county?

Are you able to elaborate on this Razor?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on November 27, 2018, 06:39:44 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on November 27, 2018, 12:20:55 PM
How can a suspended member of the association be appointed to a divisional board within this county?

Are you able to elaborate on this Razor?
[Ballykinlar man perhaps?]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on November 28, 2018, 10:40:18 AM
Exactly right Downtothewire
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Post by: Lecale Gael on November 28, 2018, 11:47:05 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 27, 2018, 10:24:09 AM
I'm hearing we're moving to U13/U15/U17 in 2020, anyone else hear that as well?

yes that's the word back from county board, in agreement with clubs apparently
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on November 29, 2018, 07:19:56 PM
Are other counties making this move to U13/15/17 ?
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Post by: Lecale Gael on November 29, 2018, 09:01:09 PM
Quote from: Caitlin on November 29, 2018, 07:19:56 PM
Are other counties making this move to U13/15/17 ?

Yes I believe so, only matter of time before GAA consitutionalise it I think
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Post by: Ed Hardy on November 29, 2018, 10:19:39 PM
Irish News has Paul Devlin, Michael Cunningham and few others back training with county panel. No mention of Aaron or Daryl Branagan tho, which is a pity.
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Post by: supersub on November 29, 2018, 11:22:48 PM
Be pretty hard for Cunningham to make it from New York Id say.
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Post by: Lloyd p on November 30, 2018, 08:11:52 PM
John Rafferty named as new RGU manager..good appointment from them after all the negative press they've had recently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 30, 2018, 08:36:51 PM
Another all Ireland winner joins a division 1 team
Won an all Ireland with St Galls
Down teams are going all out
Pete McGrath
Mark Harte
Mickey Moran
Conleth Gilligan
Paddy O Rourke
Steven McDonnell
John Rafferty
Ross Carr
Jody Gormley
Some big names along the line a division 1 next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on November 30, 2018, 09:24:14 PM
Lenny Harbinson managed St Galls to the All Ireland, Rafferty did win an Ulster but got beat in the AI Final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on November 30, 2018, 09:53:12 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 30, 2018, 08:36:51 PM
Another all Ireland winner joins a division 1 team
Won an all Ireland with St Galls
Down teams are going all out
Pete McGrath
Mark Harte
Mickey Moran
Conleth Gilligan
Paddy O Rourke
Steven McDonnell
John Rafferty
Ross Carr
Jody Gormley
Some big names along the line a division 1 next year

Who's Ross with?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 01, 2018, 08:48:47 AM
Hearing Ross is with Bryansford this year
Few teams back training already
Rostrevor up mountains already
Clonduff Mayobridge Loughinisland all back
Teams used to keep what they done to themselves now managers/coaches post everything they do on social media to benefit there own profile. You can be sure Kilcoo won't tell the world what they are doing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on December 01, 2018, 12:05:33 PM
Bundy Mason with Bredagh!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 01, 2018, 12:50:35 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on December 01, 2018, 12:05:33 PM
Bundy Mason with Bredagh!

Yip indeed, good replacement for Jody.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on December 01, 2018, 08:43:15 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 01, 2018, 08:48:47 AM
Hearing Ross is with Bryansford this year
Few teams back training already
Rostrevor up mountains already
Clonduff Mayobridge Loughinisland all back
Teams used to keep what they done to themselves now managers/coaches post everything they do on social media to benefit there own profile. You can be sure Kilcoo won't tell the world what they are doing.

Smurfy which of these clubs managers/coaches posted on social media that they were back training?🤔
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 02, 2018, 11:56:25 AM
Smurfy talking crap again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 02, 2018, 05:45:18 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 01, 2018, 08:48:47 AM
Hearing Ross is with Bryansford this year
Few teams back training already
Rostrevor up mountains already
Clonduff Mayobridge Loughinisland all back
Teams used to keep what they done to themselves now managers/coaches post everything they do on social media to benefit there own profile You can be sure Kilcoo won't tell the world what they are doing.

Neither of the highlighted are accurate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on December 04, 2018, 12:08:36 PM
Rostrevor are training though?
Clonduff are to start this week or next week?
Most teams will have a weights programme in place but it's unusual for clubs to be on the field at this time of year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 04, 2018, 12:39:46 PM
Rostrevor are back supersub. Training up mountains already. Early candidates for relegation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 04, 2018, 01:42:58 PM
Are the Point not back yet? Or will you be trying to pace yourselves for another heroic X Factor sob story defeat 😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 04, 2018, 02:18:02 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 04, 2018, 01:42:58 PM
Are the Point not back yet? Or will you be trying to pace yourselves for another heroic X Factor sob story defeat 😂

Make sure that cup is nice and polished for Kilcoo when youse bottle it next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 04, 2018, 02:44:04 PM
Don't worry, we have employed a full time polisher as by the time he finishes polishing all our trophies, the first one is covered in dust 😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on December 04, 2018, 04:02:59 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 04, 2018, 02:44:04 PM
Don't worry, we have employed a full time polisher as by the time he finishes polishing all our trophies, the first one is covered in dust 😉

I know who your talking about...that lad working 6 days a week in Kilcoo..goes to Burren for a half hour on Sunday  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 05, 2018, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 04, 2018, 12:39:46 PM
Rostrevor are back supersub. Training up mountains already. Early candidates for relegation

You're good value I'll give you that much.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 05, 2018, 09:22:08 PM
Quote from: thebar on December 04, 2018, 04:02:59 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 04, 2018, 02:44:04 PM
Don't worry, we have employed a full time polisher as by the time he finishes polishing all our trophies, the first one is covered in dust 😉

I know who your talking about...that lad working 6 days a week in Kilcoo..goes to Burren for a half hour on Sunday  ;D

Just curious here, what yous actually win?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on December 05, 2018, 10:38:19 PM
Congrats to Liatroim on winning U21 B Football Championship tonight at the Dub v Bredagh by 3 points 2-14 to 2-11
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 06, 2018, 03:59:34 PM
Quote from: Downtothewire on December 05, 2018, 10:38:19 PM
Congrats to Liatroim on winning U21 B Football Championship tonight at the Dub v Bredagh by 3 points 2-14 to 2-11

indeed, a very good game. thats 2-1 to them in finals this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 09, 2018, 04:15:46 PM
We won today to become minor girls football Ulster champions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 10, 2018, 03:27:30 PM
Stevie's back tell a friend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 10, 2018, 03:52:54 PM
With the McKenna cup just around the corner is there any more updates on what the panel for the competition is going to be?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 10, 2018, 08:27:20 PM
Millar Doherty and MvGovern gone from last years panel I see in today's paper. Season starts in just over 2 and a half weeks. Crazy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 10, 2018, 09:53:43 PM
All three were potential championship starters so their departure definitely goes down as a setback. McGovern obviously dropped out mid-way through the league, but there was an expectation he would return after a change of manager and he is probably still the best full back available to us. Doherty is a decent half back and the only free taker in the squad who can usually be relied on to put over 45s, while Millar had improved steadily, works amazingly hard and often manages a couple of points from play in the bigger games.  However, it also means that some new faces are going to get their chance and the early indications are that the players have taken well to Tally's methods.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rory on December 12, 2018, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 27, 2018, 10:24:09 AM
I'm hearing we're moving to U13/U15/U17 in 2020, anyone else hear that as well?

Would this not have to be a motion for the County Convention?  No mention of it in the motions published
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 12, 2018, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: rory on December 12, 2018, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 27, 2018, 10:24:09 AM
I'm hearing we're moving to U13/U15/U17 in 2020, anyone else hear that as well?

Would this not have to be a motion for the County Convention?  No mention of it in the motions published

Not sure TBH, was just told that by a lad on the County committee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 13, 2018, 01:06:14 PM
Any changes at convention??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 13, 2018, 02:31:31 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 13, 2018, 01:06:14 PM
Any changes at convention??
Motion passed to prohibit Burren taking players from other South Down Clubs from birth onwards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 13, 2018, 04:15:28 PM
Accounts are in a better place. Fair play to all involved. Not much talking points last night. Some big clubs back training already I see. Rostrevor leading the way
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oakleafgael on December 14, 2018, 11:43:58 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 12, 2018, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: rory on December 12, 2018, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 27, 2018, 10:24:09 AM
I'm hearing we're moving to U13/U15/U17 in 2020, anyone else hear that as well?

Would this not have to be a motion for the County Convention?  No mention of it in the motions published

Not sure TBH, was just told that by a lad on the County committee.

There won't be any choice with this most likely. It's going before Congress next year as a motion and will be a done deal. U19 down to U13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 17, 2018, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: oakleafgael on December 14, 2018, 11:43:58 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 12, 2018, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: rory on December 12, 2018, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 27, 2018, 10:24:09 AM
I'm hearing we're moving to U13/U15/U17 in 2020, anyone else hear that as well?

Would this not have to be a motion for the County Convention?  No mention of it in the motions published

Not sure TBH, was just told that by a lad on the County committee.

There won't be any choice with this most likely. It's going before Congress next year as a motion and will be a done deal. U19 down to U13

Well that would be the right way to do it rather than letting counties decide in isolation.

We've teams in the Antrim leagues who operate different age groups already, so we play for instance Primary 6 in Down and U10 in Antrim, no biggie as it's go games but then we may have an U13 team in Antrim and an U14 team in Down, then you have the complexities of inter county club competitions like Feile and Ulster Minor club hurling championships where one county will be playing out U19 and another U18.

This has been handled very badly by Croke Park from the get go with little thought for exams in the North which happen from 15-16 yrs old for GCSE and the 17-18 for A levels so there's little gain in moving to the odd years due to exams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on December 17, 2018, 02:25:17 PM
The St Paul's tournament in Belfast seems to be heating up a bit, final four Letterkenney, Bellaghy, Ballyholland and Crossmaglen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 17, 2018, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 17, 2018, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: oakleafgael on December 14, 2018, 11:43:58 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 12, 2018, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: rory on December 12, 2018, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 27, 2018, 10:24:09 AM
I'm hearing we're moving to U13/U15/U17 in 2020, anyone else hear that as well?

Would this not have to be a motion for the County Convention?  No mention of it in the motions published

Not sure TBH, was just told that by a lad on the County committee.

There won't be any choice with this most likely. It's going before Congress next year as a motion and will be a done deal. U19 down to U13

Well that would be the right way to do it rather than letting counties decide in isolation.

We've teams in the Antrim leagues who operate different age groups already, so we play for instance Primary 6 in Down and U10 in Antrim, no biggie as it's go games but then we may have an U13 team in Antrim and an U14 team in Down, then you have the complexities of inter county club competitions like Feile and Ulster Minor club hurling championships where one county will be playing out U19 and another U18.

This has been handled very badly by Croke Park from the get go with little thought for exams in the North which happen from 15-16 yrs old for GCSE and the 17-18 for A levels so there's little gain in moving to the odd years due to exams.

I'm not sure Croke Park could have played it much different. Such a change is always going to involve a transition period, and from what I can gather they've allowed clubs and county boards across the country a couple of years to let the concept bed in, rather than force a clean break.

Exams are a moot issue imho. Fellas are now sitting GCSEs and A-Levels from 4th year through to upper 6th, so May is always going to pose problems, regardless of football/hurling age grades.


Personally I'm in favour of u17, as it creates a clean break between adult and juvenile sport. I think I mentioned it on here before, but last year Liatroim had a handful of players involved simultaneously in minor and intermediate hurling and football championship semi finals. Trying to implement a "fair" fixture list through September when that's happening, just isn't possible. It's the definition of player burnout.

Conversely I'd be against the u19 grade, as it would only replace the problem that removing u18 is meant to fix, and magnify it somewhat by virtue of most clubs relying on lads travelling back from University in April, May and June to play matches or train.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 18, 2018, 09:41:43 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 17, 2018, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 17, 2018, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: oakleafgael on December 14, 2018, 11:43:58 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 12, 2018, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: rory on December 12, 2018, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 27, 2018, 10:24:09 AM
I'm hearing we're moving to U13/U15/U17 in 2020, anyone else hear that as well?

Would this not have to be a motion for the County Convention?  No mention of it in the motions published

Not sure TBH, was just told that by a lad on the County committee.

There won't be any choice with this most likely. It's going before Congress next year as a motion and will be a done deal. U19 down to U13

Well that would be the right way to do it rather than letting counties decide in isolation.

We've teams in the Antrim leagues who operate different age groups already, so we play for instance Primary 6 in Down and U10 in Antrim, no biggie as it's go games but then we may have an U13 team in Antrim and an U14 team in Down, then you have the complexities of inter county club competitions like Feile and Ulster Minor club hurling championships where one county will be playing out U19 and another U18.

This has been handled very badly by Croke Park from the get go with little thought for exams in the North which happen from 15-16 yrs old for GCSE and the 17-18 for A levels so there's little gain in moving to the odd years due to exams.

I'm not sure Croke Park could have played it much different. Such a change is always going to involve a transition period, and from what I can gather they've allowed clubs and county boards across the country a couple of years to let the concept bed in, rather than force a clean break.

Exams are a moot issue imho. Fellas are now sitting GCSEs and A-Levels from 4th year through to upper 6th, so May is always going to pose problems, regardless of football/hurling age grades.


Personally I'm in favour of u17, as it creates a clean break between adult and juvenile sport. I think I mentioned it on here before, but last year Liatroim had a handful of players involved simultaneously in minor and intermediate hurling and football championship semi finals. Trying to implement a "fair" fixture list through September when that's happening, just isn't possible. It's the definition of player burnout.

Conversely I'd be against the u19 grade, as it would only replace the problem that removing u18 is meant to fix, and magnify it somewhat by virtue of most clubs relying on lads travelling back from University in April, May and June to play matches or train.

I entirely agree with you on the U17 grade as I believe there in merit in that as it can run along side adult competitions with no cross over like we see with U18 at the moment. U19 isn't needed unless to replace U21 as a one off round robin competition.

I'm not against these changes, I just think they're a bit piecemeal and with us also playing in Antrim (who may be going odd in 2019) and going to various blitzes in Tyrone, Derry and so forth, you could be going with an U12 team one day and an U11 or U13 the next.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 19, 2018, 05:41:38 PM
Some big chances on the McKenna cup squad. I've counted 16 newcomers in a 26man squad. No Burren players along with Mooney Harrison and a few other big names. 5 Kilcoo players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedBlackPurpleGold on December 19, 2018, 06:13:40 PM
What is the squad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on December 19, 2018, 07:36:18 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 19, 2018, 05:41:38 PM
Some big chances on the McKenna cup squad. I've counted 16 newcomers in a 26man squad. No Burren players along with Mooney Harrison and a few other big names. 5 Kilcoo players.
Many Point lads on it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 19, 2018, 10:43:04 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 19, 2018, 05:41:38 PM
Some big chances on the McKenna cup squad. I've counted 16 newcomers in a 26man squad. No Burren players along with Mooney Harrison and a few other big names. 5 Kilcoo players.

Where did you see the squad named?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 19, 2018, 10:50:38 PM
Newry reporter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 19, 2018, 10:52:42 PM
Can you post the squad up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2018, 08:52:00 AM
New lads in
Devlin Kilcoo
Kane Kilcoo
J Johnstone Kilcoo
McCarthy Saval ???
Havern saval
McClement Loughinisland
Mason Loughinisland
Brady Mayobridge
McClorey Mayobridge
Quinn Mayobridge
B O Hagen Clonduff back
Parr Rostrevor keeper
Francis bredagh
Burns Castlewellan
Harney Saul
Murnin Clonduff
Collins RGU


Old
McAleenan CPN
Donnelly Tullylish
Poland longstone
McKibbon Bryansford
R Johnstone Kilcoo
McArdle Annaclone
Wells Bryansford
O Hagen Clonduff
McGrady Downpatrick


Only 3 starters from last years squad on the panel o Hagen McArdle and Donnelly
No McKernan Mooney Harrison Maginn OHare and lots more
A very inexperienced squad to put out

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2018, 08:53:25 AM
McCarthy was meant be a question mark as have never seen him play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 20, 2018, 10:22:09 AM
Francis was there last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2018, 10:29:47 AM
Didn't realise that
He didn't play much?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 20, 2018, 10:56:35 AM
Not sure, Def came on in last game of AI
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 20, 2018, 02:07:37 PM
Just read the reporter, Tally reckons Benny has no influence on the Bridge players on the squad. We believe you Paddy. A McKenna cup squad without a player from Downs best team 🧐🧐
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on December 20, 2018, 02:59:04 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 20, 2018, 02:07:37 PM
Just read the reporter, Tally reckons Benny has no influence on the Bridge players on the squad. We believe you Paddy. A McKenna cup squad without a player from Downs best team 🧐🧐
Probably saving them for the championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2018, 03:24:11 PM
Would that be the best team who just about beat Kilcoo with a reserve team playing? What Burren ones should be on it besides Kevin McKernan and Donal O Hare
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on December 20, 2018, 05:13:04 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2018, 03:24:11 PM
Would that be the best team who just about beat Kilcoo with a reserve team playing? What Burren ones should be on it besides Kevin McKernan and Donal O Hare

Gerard McGovern still away in Oz and would surely be involved if at home, Conaill McGovern opted out last year but didn't really look county level this year, Rooney was good this year but that time has passed, both Toners were playing well but injuries would likely keep them from meeting the physical demands of county level.
Realistically looking at some of those in the county squad, Cathal Foy and Stevie Fegan may have been worth a trial and both improving year on year. Its our younger players who will likely be playing for Down at U21s in 2019 - Cox, McAvoy, Kerr all have to be part of Deegan's plans.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on December 20, 2018, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2018, 08:52:00 AM
New lads in
Devlin Kilcoo
Kane Kilcoo
J Johnstone Kilcoo
McCarthy Saval ???
Havern saval
McClement Loughinisland
Mason Loughinisland
Brady Mayobridge
McClorey Mayobridge
Quinn Mayobridge
B O Hagen Clonduff back
Parr Rostrevor keeper
Francis bredagh
Burns Castlewellan
Harney Saul
Murnin Clonduff
Collins RGU


Old
McAleenan CPN
Donnelly Tullylish
Poland longstone
McKibbon Bryansford
R Johnstone Kilcoo
McArdle Annaclone
Wells Bryansford
O Hagen Clonduff
McGrady Downpatrick


Only 3 starters from last years squad on the panel o Hagen McArdle and Donnelly
No McKernan Mooney Harrison Maginn OHare and lots more
A very inexperienced squad to put out

Yas looking to move forward and bring new lads in to help us develop and become a better team???

No point picking the same lads Who've had a chance and proven not to be good enough. Can't believe rooney was even mentioned he's 30+ and hasn't been around with down squad for a few years. Mcclements from loughanisland was as exciting as any midfielder within the county last year and yas haven't gave the lad a mention. Talk about who's there and not the boys who aren't.

Get behind the bloody team for once and stop being so negative.

Personally I think it's brilliant the amount of new and young players in the squad and knowing the fact that there are also a lot of brilliant u20s involved with the senior squad also this year is something to be excited about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2018, 11:21:42 PM
Keyboard u must be on the panel. Yes I agree the panel needed a complete overhaul but 15/16 new boys in is a lot? Great to see Kilcoo with lads on the squad. If Tally can get some players from the McKenna cup panel it will be a job well done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 21, 2018, 01:09:32 PM
I hope that Kilcoo commit to the county, they have been pulling in opposite ways for decades. For a club with the most senior championship wins not to have a All Ireland winner in our 5 wins says it all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on December 21, 2018, 01:22:31 PM
Clubs cannot force players to go to play for the county. It's about the want of the player. As I said before and I'll say again the boys who aren't there will win nothing with down and that's a fact so stop giving them the time of day whereas the boys that are there have a real chance of getting silverware this year. Yes surely would be great to have everyone putting their foot to the wheel but they aren't.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 21, 2018, 01:34:02 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2018, 11:21:42 PM
Keyboard u must be on the panel. Yes I agree the panel needed a complete overhaul but 15/16 new boys in is a lot? Great to see Kilcoo with lads on the squad. If Tally can get some players from the McKenna cup panel it will be a job well done.
Where is everyone getting these 15/16 new faces? Those 'new faces' have been involved with the county before bar McCarthy, McClements, Mason, Parr and Harney. Obviously a new manager will have a load of new faces in as its a clean slate for everyone and he must feel that these are the players worth taking a look at
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 21, 2018, 05:24:57 PM
Henderson what are you talking about
Havern
McClorey
Quinn
Brady?
Kane

Along with the lads you have said

Have any of the above ever started a senior match with Down?

Havern and possibly Brady started McKenna cup
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 21, 2018, 05:32:38 PM
I assumed the Quinn for mayobridge was Keith but it may be Cory. Havern definatley played McKenna Cup a couple of years ago and O'Hagan outshone him and got the spot on the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 22, 2018, 04:02:32 PM
I thought Havern played a national league game or 2. Could be wrong tho. Any word of Laverty from Saul or Guinness from Carryduff,  are they with their universities for McKenna cup? Thought they might be in with a shout of a call up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 22, 2018, 04:18:19 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on December 22, 2018, 04:02:32 PM
I thought Havern played a national league game or 2. Could be wrong tho. Any word of Laverty from Saul or Guinness from Carryduff,  are they with their universities for McKenna cup? Thought they might be in with a shout of a call up.
Laverty was a sub on the UUJ team, as well as Lorcan Harney starting for them. Guiness should be on the Queens team and would be good to see those 3 make the panel for the national league if they perform well for their Unis
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 23, 2018, 09:24:42 AM
Have kilcoos brannigans ruled themselves out of Down selection altogether?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on December 25, 2018, 11:23:27 PM
They never rule themselves in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 28, 2018, 03:58:03 PM
Irish News says, there has been speculation that Daryl & Aaron Branagan could join the panel. Here's hoping it's true, would be a big boost consider the amount of players away or unavailable for whatever reasons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 28, 2018, 04:45:29 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on December 28, 2018, 03:58:03 PM
Irish News says, there has been speculation that Daryl & Aaron Branagan could join the panel. Here's hoping it's true, would be a big boost consider the amount of players away or unavailable for whatever reasons.

Probably the same hack who had Mickey Cunningham back from the States to play and not a word of truth in it.  I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting on them to commit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 29, 2018, 11:27:52 AM
The Down's team named in today's Irish News

Rory Burns
S.Murnin, R. Wells, R. McAleenan;
R. Brady, B. McArdle, R. Johnson;
A. McClements, D. McCartney;
D. McKibbin, C. Poland, C. Francis;
J.Johnson, P. Havern, R. Mason

Subs
J. Parr,
N. Donnelly, K. McClorey, S. Annett,
C. McGrady, P. Devlin,  D. McClements
C Quinn, C. Harney, D. McCabe

Good luck to Down

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 29, 2018, 08:48:27 PM
Lots of new faces for tomorrow. The Down social media team must be sleeping again. Not a single word of the match. If we can unearth a few from this team along with the more established players like Mooney McKernan O Hare Harrison O Hagen Donnelly Turley Reid should do ok
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 29, 2018, 10:26:56 PM
It is encouraging that Tally has started his term of office by naming not only his starting team but his bench 48 hours before the throw-in. Many of his predecessors delayed their selections and sent out a message of uncertainty. The line-up is experimental, as you would expect for a pre-season competition, but it is capable of giving us some decent options for the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 30, 2018, 03:19:29 PM
Great to see former championship winner Frank Dawson back along the sideline in div 1 next year. Could he be the man to take a sleeping giant to the promised land.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 30, 2018, 07:42:46 PM
Where woukd frank be going to?
Pleasantly surprised by today's performance in Breffni Park. Some good performances from a lot of players and I made it 11/12 debuts handed out today along with the returning Jerome Johnstone and Pat Havern. Great to see Ryan Johnstone back on the pitch. Shooting was the problem today as like last year. The handpass rule is so bad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on December 30, 2018, 09:28:59 PM
Dawson along with Mark Doran at the town. Another club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on December 30, 2018, 11:11:27 PM
Dawson for the town.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 31, 2018, 11:50:36 AM
Will Benny be giving Robbie Coulter a chance next week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 31, 2018, 04:28:07 PM
Lol clownjim
Mayobridge were the most exciting team i seen in this years championship it's a pity they don't have a keeper though.
Will Dawson bring much to the Town except for a massive wage bill. Can't wait until this years league to start with so many big names along the lines. Anyone know when the league fixtures are out?
CPN trying our best to get Ciaran McCartan back it would be some boost
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 31, 2018, 08:25:03 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 30, 2018, 07:42:46 PM
Where woukd frank be going to?
Pleasantly surprised by today's performance in Breffni Park. Some good performances from a lot of players and I made it 11/12 debuts handed out today along with the returning Jerome Johnstone and Pat Havern. Great to see Ryan Johnstone back on the pitch. Shooting was the problem today as like last year. The handpass rule is so bad.

Just wondering smurfy if Down were as defensively set up yesterday as I have heard?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 31, 2018, 10:43:36 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 31, 2018, 08:25:03 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 30, 2018, 07:42:46 PM
Where woukd frank be going to?
Pleasantly surprised by today's performance in Breffni Park. Some good performances from a lot of players and I made it 11/12 debuts handed out today along with the returning Jerome Johnstone and Pat Havern. Great to see Ryan Johnstone back on the pitch. Shooting was the problem today as like last year. The handpass rule is so bad.

Just wondering smurfy if Down were as defensively set up yesterday as I have heard?
Went 21 mins in 2nd half without scoring. But they need to learn how to defend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on January 01, 2019, 11:51:18 AM
McCartan would be a huge boost for yous smurfy, would add to an ever improving team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on January 01, 2019, 12:32:53 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on January 01, 2019, 11:51:18 AM
McCartan would be a huge boost for yous smurfy, would add to an ever improving team.
Reality check needed here I think, the point in the championship struggled pass Glenn Loughlinisland and were beaten by a average Kilcoo team. They have a lot of improving to do yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 01, 2019, 02:06:43 PM
I was impressed with Down on Sunday for 1st game of the season, and considering how many players were making their debuts. They did set up to sit very deep, trying to force the turn over and break immediately to the wings, with brady or Johnson. Still loads to work on tho, just need to find the right balance in attack. Wells, Havern were impressive as was O'Grady when he came on. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 02, 2019, 08:23:22 AM
Only getting back to you now had a few days away
Yes they looked as if they got a few men behind the ball alright. Mason Havern Johnstone McKibbon looked like the furthest men up the field. Does anyone know when the big hitters are back? Mooney Harrison McKernan O Hare Barry Darren O Hagen Donnelly Turley Maginn Dornan Reid ?
All those are likely starters
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 05, 2019, 12:12:50 AM
Any word on the team for Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 05, 2019, 10:10:37 AM
Team in today's Irish Sun

Power
Murnin
Wells
McAleenan
Collins
McArdle
Johnstone
McAlement
McCarthy
Francis
Poland
Mason
Harney
Havern
Johnstone

5/6 changes from last week very experimental tram. Any updates on the big hitters coming back in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 05, 2019, 12:28:18 PM
Big hitters, will you wise up. By the talk of you ya would think we have Dermo and the Gooch coming to us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on January 05, 2019, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 05, 2019, 10:10:37 AM
Team in today's Irish Sun

Power
Murnin
Wells
McAleenan
Collins
McArdle
Johnstone
McAlement
McCarthy
Francis
Poland
Mason
Harney
Havern
Johnstone

5/6 changes from last week very experimental tram. Any updates on the big hitters coming back in?

Power in goal?
J. Parr ? ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 05, 2019, 01:05:50 PM
Quote from: umpire on January 05, 2019, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 05, 2019, 10:10:37 AM
Team in today's Irish Sun

Power
Murnin
Wells
McAleenan
Collins
McArdle
Johnstone
McAlement
McCarthy
Francis
Poland
Mason
Harney
Havern
Johnstone

5/6 changes from last week very experimental tram. Any updates on the big hitters coming back in?

Power in goal?
J. Parr ? ?
yeah jonny parr is in goal this week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on January 05, 2019, 01:57:54 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on January 05, 2019, 03:43:51 PM
Have to agree with Downjim, the days of us having big hitters is long gone, but Smurf thinks the point are a top team in Down, 😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 05, 2019, 03:50:45 PM
And are CPN not a top team in Down? Get your facts right Cuan12 ya mouth. Semi final of the championship and second in division 1. If that's not a top team what is? I didn't say the top team I said a top team. I'll await your response
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 05, 2019, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 05, 2019, 03:50:45 PM
And are CPN not a top team in Down? Get your facts right Cuan12 ya mouth. Semi final of the championship and second in division 1. If that's not a top team what is? I didn't say the top team I said a top team. I'll await your response

A sentence with the words Summer and Swallow comes to mind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on January 05, 2019, 11:59:39 PM
Careful there Smurfy, someone might point out that the Point finished third in the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 06, 2019, 01:13:59 PM
Lol yes third, the best season in years, hardly an aristocrat in Down GAA now. CPN known throughout Ireland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on January 06, 2019, 02:25:56 PM
Everyone is having a good laugh at your expense Smurf, ya think your a big team but in reality you weren't and aren't, island were unlucky not to beat you in last years championship and when the chips are down, your lot hides, and yes you finished third , super season.😂😂😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 06, 2019, 03:51:55 PM
Good one Cuan. Now do you understand what I mean when I say about getting the big hitters back in? Time for the big players to come back in. Poor showing today to many new lads massive step up. Same shite different year. Down scores a cracking goal bit was disallowed after the fourt handpass. It actually made me laugh it was that ridiculous. Queens and Down now playing for the wooden spoon on Wednesday night .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 06, 2019, 04:36:55 PM
Brutal enough performance from Down today, looked like men against boys for the majority of it. Paul Devlin done well when he came on tho, harsh on Harney being taken off at ht. Considering the performance of the other corner forward who somehow managed to stay on the whole game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on January 06, 2019, 05:05:43 PM
Lads it's the McKenna cup with a new manager who needs to see a few players, there were guys on this forum giving of about the players then and these were the big hitters Smurf was asking to come back, we are in Div 3 for a reason , we weren't good enough for div 2.Paddy Tally will make us hard to beat with a mixture of the old and the new so let's not get over critical and one final thing the point will do well to finish 3rd again 😂😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 06, 2019, 05:08:20 PM
That's just the phrase I was thinking myself Ed, men against boys. Our inability to covert plenty of possession into scoring opportunities, poor decision making and execution of the most basic of skills was the difference. Constant shouting from the line to 'get back', 'get back' and if that is the way we are going to play it, it's gonna be a long year. The tactic of putting all the big men on one side of the pitch and the keeper lobbing it up among them, then scraping for the break is pure genius, is this what a massive pay packet gets you these days?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 06, 2019, 05:13:01 PM
Strange tactic putting men over to one side and bombing the ball iut. Donegal won everything in the air. Can't understabd why a short kickout wasn't tried. Long year ahead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 06, 2019, 05:21:26 PM
Hard to watch that today, pushed about by a bigger more physical team for most of the match, not many positives to take if any, I know its early in the year but a lot of work for the management team to do!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 06, 2019, 07:23:06 PM
No one is going to get too exercised about a McKenna Cup game on a wet January Sunday but today was poor fare. While both sides were understrength, Donegal looked at a completely different level to us.  We had plenty of pace and energy but seldom got into dangerous positions. Although our tactic of pumping kick-outs into congested areas has to be down to experimentation, it severely limited our possession and a half time total of three points tells its own story. We were a little unlucky that our two best moves saw a goal disallowed for an unnecessary extra hand pass and a shot come back off the base of the post, but Donegal always seemed capable of stepping up a gear.  Our recent record in the competition is admittedly dreadful anyway, and the only match which matters this month is the league opener against Laois. However, Tally probably did not get too many additional options from this afternoon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on January 06, 2019, 07:29:09 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 06, 2019, 03:51:55 PM
Good one Cuan. Now do you understand what I mean when I say about getting the big hitters back in? Time for the big players to come back in.

Do you ever wonder why we are going nowhere if folks are calling a halt to any experimentation after a McKenna cup defeat?

We don't have any "big" hitters - and we sure as hell aren't going to find any by continuing to flog the old warhorses. Our squad is decidedly average compared to most in Ulster never mind the rest of Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on January 06, 2019, 07:34:22 PM
Some of the knee jerk reaction stuff on here makes you wonder if some have an actual clue .

Im far from a big Down fan but todays game looked like a very experimental side getting used to a new system and generally to a man working fairly hard. There are nailed on starters in Maginn, Darren o Hagan, Harrison, Mc Kernan , Donnelly , Mooney and possibly Reid to come back in when they are fit enough/rested enough.  Thats half a team

Tally and co are doing exactly what they were tasked with doing , trying to unearth new talent by trying the best in the county who want to play and implementing a system of play which makes Down hard to beat .

Havern , Wells , A McClements , Mc Aleenan and Mason have all stepped up so far imo . Pd and Mc Kibbon too , The league will tell the tale better as it will probably be a fairly set team with minimal changes weekly.

Give the team and management a summer then decide . Its a marathon to get Down anywhere, anyone who expected quick results is completely deluded 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on January 06, 2019, 11:09:10 PM
Can't understand why Burren are not represented on this current panel they're the best team in Down at the moment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on January 07, 2019, 12:29:30 AM
Down won a good amount of their own kick outs ye idiot. Yes they didn't clean catch them in the air but they were broken and the down lads won the majority of the breaks. Was evident this was a tactic of downs and it frustrated the Donegal players greatly. Good few short kick outs also taken today but I dunno maybe yous don't realise but down are in division 3 and Donegal in division 1. Both teams performed well below their capabilities obviously. Downs biggest problem today was their ability to be clinical in front of goal no doubt about it. Should have had two goals, even the ones they'd too many fist passes they should've worked it out. Their point taking again was poor but bloody heck it's January. All about the league and aiming for promotion. The players by then should be really well prepared for what will be an interesting championship campaign I believe for this group as down will cause upsets and go far.
Anyone who believes different obviously not a down supporter.

No burren players on the current McKenna cup squad because the ones from last year are getting rested like the Mooney's and ohagans. There are also a couple of them on university squads including Steven fegan who's with uuj. Surely yas would know this if yas followed down football at all instead of typing crap on this all the time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 07, 2019, 12:04:11 PM
Keyboard Warrior, Donegal are a very fine side but they are actually in division two, rather than division one. Down managed to win breaking ball from a few kick outs yesterday but the area was so congested that we had very few opportunities to set up attacks. The result was that we managed a total of three points by half time, at which stage the game was over. However, you are right to stress that all our preparations need to be geared up for the start of the league. If we are in decent shape for the Laois match, yesterday will be very quickly forgotten.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 09, 2019, 01:38:44 PM
Does anyone know what Harps and RGU fully fot. Are they in the champ next year, did they get points deducted??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ulsterman09 on January 11, 2019, 09:22:05 AM
I heard both teams will now be entered in the UFC for the coming year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 12, 2019, 07:53:09 AM
Congratulations to my own club, Bredagh, on scooping the Gaelic Life club of the year award last night. That's another one to polish 😉😜
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on January 12, 2019, 10:39:54 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 12, 2019, 07:53:09 AM
Congratulations to my own club, Bredagh, on scooping the Gaelic Life club of the year award last night. That's another one to polish 😉😜

Congrats Square ball, a brilliant club, massive work over several years 👍
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 12, 2019, 12:00:38 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 12, 2019, 07:53:09 AM
Congratulations to my own club, Bredagh, on scooping the Gaelic Life club of the year award last night. That's another one to polish 😉😜

Well done, if you need some polish we can give you some. We buy by the gallon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on January 12, 2019, 01:36:51 PM
Quote from: downjim on January 12, 2019, 12:00:38 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 12, 2019, 07:53:09 AM
Congratulations to my own club, Bredagh, on scooping the Gaelic Life club of the year award last night. That's another one to polish 😉😜

Well done, if you need some polish we can give you some. We buy by the gallon.

Burren are a top notch club and an example to us all, but to be fair have a head start on other clubs due to a very strong tradition, and long established quality facilities , in an area with a very strong gaa ethos , with ready made rivalry and  competition  on your own doorstep .
Bredagh by contrast are formed less than 50 years ago in a non traditional GAA  area. They have had massive challenges accessing facilities in Castlereagh borough and even up to recently have endured harassment. In the midst of this they have actively promoted male and female football and hurling, and been successful . With GAA jerseys aplenty on the ravenhill  and ormeau roads, and the hive of GAA activity which is Cherryvale, the legacy of the visionaries who formed Breadgh in the 70s is amazing. Congrats Bredagh gaels, delighted that you are now getting the respect and recognition you deserve
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on January 17, 2019, 08:29:51 AM
Anyone have a list of the teams in each division this season? When are the fixtures announced?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 19, 2019, 10:31:57 AM
Hard to believe its only a week away to 1st meaningful Down game under Tally. Any idea of what team will line out? Are the Burren players back in the panel yet? Bound to be a few university players also available for the league?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 21, 2019, 11:25:18 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 19, 2019, 10:31:57 AM
Hard to believe its only a week away to 1st meaningful Down game under Tally. Any idea of what team will line out? Are the Burren players back in the panel yet? Bound to be a few university players also available for the league?

well the first game wont have ohagan, mckernan or Johnston cos of the black cards picke up last year I heard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on January 22, 2019, 09:32:56 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on January 21, 2019, 11:25:18 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 19, 2019, 10:31:57 AM
Hard to believe its only a week away to 1st meaningful Down game under Tally. Any idea of what team will line out? Are the Burren players back in the panel yet? Bound to be a few university players also available for the league?

well the first game wont have ohagan, mckernan or Johnston cos of the black cards picke up last year I heard

They are due to the red cards received after the Cavan match last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on January 23, 2019, 05:51:32 AM
A Chara

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'A Night with The Dubs'

including special guests

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Along with Danny Hughes, Mark Poland and compere for the night Steven Poacher.

Friday 15th February 7.30pm

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 23, 2019, 05:05:12 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on January 23, 2019, 05:51:32 AM
A Chara

Saval GAC

In Aid Of Youth Developement

Presents

'A Night with The Dubs'

including special guests

Dean Rock & Cíaran Kilkenny- 5 Time All-Ireland Winners

Along with Danny Hughes, Mark Poland and compere for the night Steven Poacher.

Friday 15th February 7.30pm

@ Saval GAC

Admission - £12

All Welcome

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I don't know why we are letting this lunatic SP compere our Night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 23, 2019, 05:19:01 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on January 23, 2019, 05:51:32 AM
A Chara

Saval GAC

In Aid Of Youth Developement

Presents

'A Night with The Dubs'

including special guests

Dean Rock & Cíaran Kilkenny- 5 Time All-Ireland Winners

Along with Danny Hughes, Mark Poland and compere for the night Steven Poacher.

Friday 15th February 7.30pm

@ Saval GAC

Admission - £12

All Welcome

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There's nothing like putting people off going to this.I hope it goes well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 23, 2019, 05:38:27 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 23, 2019, 05:05:12 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on January 23, 2019, 05:51:32 AM
A Chara

Saval GAC

In Aid Of Youth Developement

Presents

'A Night with The Dubs'

including special guests

Dean Rock & Cíaran Kilkenny- 5 Time All-Ireland Winners

Along with Danny Hughes, Mark Poland and compere for the night Steven Poacher.

Friday 15th February 7.30pm

@ Saval GAC

Admission - £12

All Welcome

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I don't know why we are letting this lunatic SP compere our Night.

Because he's good at it. Go along, you might be surprised.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 23, 2019, 05:57:39 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2019, 05:38:27 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 23, 2019, 05:05:12 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on January 23, 2019, 05:51:32 AM
A Chara

Saval GAC

In Aid Of Youth Developement

Presents

'A Night with The Dubs'

including special guests

Dean Rock & Cíaran Kilkenny- 5 Time All-Ireland Winners

Along with Danny Hughes, Mark Poland and compere for the night Steven Poacher.

Friday 15th February 7.30pm

@ Saval GAC

Admission - £12

All Welcome

https://www.facebook.com/savalgac/photos/a.10150401181895554/10161614268720554/?type=3&eid=ARBbYBzOgnQKDvoxqsj5RHTsi0QVEetfnTCAzPIVWVSJzptb-oz_ZN0aNV58gnKV9WDclfpMT6qdUpfW&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARDwLlIcdY2alsYe2OSbZJvoVf8xk5y2au9WUsv_Wt7eqNJV0co40udektuuXNZKbkSt_zMhq99nI_JQCK2avzZIBmrOyto06O5vtXI3GU1AG91VG9I_m9W9y3-yIYw-ai4EC51aOmne_0lc56o1Vg-ezS1keBftUs3Cv-LruRmWVWYgZIfUkfnHD7u712C3qnrfy_ncNb96to63MiRN5brovaV3oac2ZzfutDPF5hc9ziSUS8WTpmg4hWIKlwLYrXy2M4Hk8RMcnLb2sHzLAfUbAAHBIEuUV-ugPPWiNzV7o67KWPHC69vyrBwq5p74XmyipuIgyH33Ylq8lAqDLyitPLBoSRXftQ&__tn__=EEHH-R
I don't know why we are letting this lunatic SP compere our Night.

Because he's good at it. Go along, you might be surprised.

He'll probably spend the whole night giving his phone to people and asking them to take photos while he introduces the guests, asks questions, moves around the stage etc because that's all his twitter is full of (apart from the obvious).We could all get people to take photos of us doing our jobs which would be very boring in many cases so why does he constantly tweet photos of him doing what he is paid to do, his job?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 23, 2019, 06:29:16 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 23, 2019, 05:57:39 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2019, 05:38:27 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 23, 2019, 05:05:12 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on January 23, 2019, 05:51:32 AM
A Chara

Saval GAC

In Aid Of Youth Developement

Presents

'A Night with The Dubs'

including special guests

Dean Rock & Cíaran Kilkenny- 5 Time All-Ireland Winners

Along with Danny Hughes, Mark Poland and compere for the night Steven Poacher.

Friday 15th February 7.30pm

@ Saval GAC

Admission - £12

All Welcome

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I don't know why we are letting this lunatic SP compere our Night.

Because he's good at it. Go along, you might be surprised.

He'll probably spend the whole night giving his phone to people and asking them to take photos while he introduces the guests, asks questions, moves around the stage etc because that's all his twitter is full of (apart from the obvious).We could all get people to take photos of us doing our jobs which would be very boring in many cases so why does he constantly tweet photos of him doing what he is paid to do, his job?

Unfollow him then you twat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 23, 2019, 06:36:53 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 23, 2019, 06:29:16 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 23, 2019, 05:57:39 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2019, 05:38:27 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 23, 2019, 05:05:12 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on January 23, 2019, 05:51:32 AM
A Chara

Saval GAC

In Aid Of Youth Developement

Presents

'A Night with The Dubs'

including special guests

Dean Rock & Cíaran Kilkenny- 5 Time All-Ireland Winners

Along with Danny Hughes, Mark Poland and compere for the night Steven Poacher.

Friday 15th February 7.30pm

@ Saval GAC

Admission - £12

All Welcome

https://www.facebook.com/savalgac/photos/a.10150401181895554/10161614268720554/?type=3&eid=ARBbYBzOgnQKDvoxqsj5RHTsi0QVEetfnTCAzPIVWVSJzptb-oz_ZN0aNV58gnKV9WDclfpMT6qdUpfW&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARDwLlIcdY2alsYe2OSbZJvoVf8xk5y2au9WUsv_Wt7eqNJV0co40udektuuXNZKbkSt_zMhq99nI_JQCK2avzZIBmrOyto06O5vtXI3GU1AG91VG9I_m9W9y3-yIYw-ai4EC51aOmne_0lc56o1Vg-ezS1keBftUs3Cv-LruRmWVWYgZIfUkfnHD7u712C3qnrfy_ncNb96to63MiRN5brovaV3oac2ZzfutDPF5hc9ziSUS8WTpmg4hWIKlwLYrXy2M4Hk8RMcnLb2sHzLAfUbAAHBIEuUV-ugPPWiNzV7o67KWPHC69vyrBwq5p74XmyipuIgyH33Ylq8lAqDLyitPLBoSRXftQ&__tn__=EEHH-R
I don't know why we are letting this lunatic SP compere our Night.

Because he's good at it. Go along, you might be surprised.

He'll probably spend the whole night giving his phone to people and asking them to take photos while he introduces the guests, asks questions, moves around the stage etc because that's all his twitter is full of (apart from the obvious).We could all get people to take photos of us doing our jobs which would be very boring in many cases so why does he constantly tweet photos of him doing what he is paid to do, his job?

Unfollow him then you twat.

So stating the obvious makes me a twat. Thanks for the advice by the way, sorry for speaking ill of your good buddy. BTW I don't follow him on twitter, bit sad if you follow opinionated fools like that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on January 23, 2019, 06:55:50 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 23, 2019, 05:05:12 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on January 23, 2019, 05:51:32 AM
A Chara

Saval GAC

In Aid Of Youth Developement

Presents

'A Night with The Dubs'

including special guests

Dean Rock & Cíaran Kilkenny- 5 Time All-Ireland Winners

Along with Danny Hughes, Mark Poland and compere for the night Steven Poacher.

Friday 15th February 7.30pm

@ Saval GAC

Admission - £12

All Welcome

https://www.facebook.com/savalgac/photos/a.10150401181895554/10161614268720554/?type=3&eid=ARBbYBzOgnQKDvoxqsj5RHTsi0QVEetfnTCAzPIVWVSJzptb-oz_ZN0aNV58gnKV9WDclfpMT6qdUpfW&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARDwLlIcdY2alsYe2OSbZJvoVf8xk5y2au9WUsv_Wt7eqNJV0co40udektuuXNZKbkSt_zMhq99nI_JQCK2avzZIBmrOyto06O5vtXI3GU1AG91VG9I_m9W9y3-yIYw-ai4EC51aOmne_0lc56o1Vg-ezS1keBftUs3Cv-LruRmWVWYgZIfUkfnHD7u712C3qnrfy_ncNb96to63MiRN5brovaV3oac2ZzfutDPF5hc9ziSUS8WTpmg4hWIKlwLYrXy2M4Hk8RMcnLb2sHzLAfUbAAHBIEuUV-ugPPWiNzV7o67KWPHC69vyrBwq5p74XmyipuIgyH33Ylq8lAqDLyitPLBoSRXftQ&__tn__=EEHH-R
I don't know why we are letting this lunatic SP compere our Night.

I thought he was suspended from GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 23, 2019, 07:43:41 PM
Quote from: Godsown on January 23, 2019, 06:55:50 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 23, 2019, 05:05:12 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on January 23, 2019, 05:51:32 AM
A Chara

Saval GAC

In Aid Of Youth Developement

Presents

'A Night with The Dubs'

including special guests

Dean Rock & Cíaran Kilkenny- 5 Time All-Ireland Winners

Along with Danny Hughes, Mark Poland and compere for the night Steven Poacher.

Friday 15th February 7.30pm

@ Saval GAC

Admission - £12

All Welcome

https://www.facebook.com/savalgac/photos/a.10150401181895554/10161614268720554/?type=3&eid=ARBbYBzOgnQKDvoxqsj5RHTsi0QVEetfnTCAzPIVWVSJzptb-oz_ZN0aNV58gnKV9WDclfpMT6qdUpfW&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARDwLlIcdY2alsYe2OSbZJvoVf8xk5y2au9WUsv_Wt7eqNJV0co40udektuuXNZKbkSt_zMhq99nI_JQCK2avzZIBmrOyto06O5vtXI3GU1AG91VG9I_m9W9y3-yIYw-ai4EC51aOmne_0lc56o1Vg-ezS1keBftUs3Cv-LruRmWVWYgZIfUkfnHD7u712C3qnrfy_ncNb96to63MiRN5brovaV3oac2ZzfutDPF5hc9ziSUS8WTpmg4hWIKlwLYrXy2M4Hk8RMcnLb2sHzLAfUbAAHBIEuUV-ugPPWiNzV7o67KWPHC69vyrBwq5p74XmyipuIgyH33Ylq8lAqDLyitPLBoSRXftQ&__tn__=EEHH-R
I don't know why we are letting this lunatic SP compere our Night.

I thought he was suspended from GAA.
It's Clubs like ours and others that are keeping the foolin the public eye. Bit disheartened that he's coming to help (£££££'s) but  hey ho I'm not on the Committee so can't do anything about it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 23, 2019, 09:16:08 PM
Poor aul Stevie can't do right for doing wrong!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on January 23, 2019, 10:54:43 PM
Could be worse. .... Brolly comes to mind
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on January 24, 2019, 02:13:42 AM
Quote from: SamFever on January 23, 2019, 05:05:12 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on January 23, 2019, 05:51:32 AM
A Chara

Saval GAC

In Aid Of Youth Developement

Presents

'A Night with The Dubs'

including special guests

Dean Rock & Cíaran Kilkenny- 5 Time All-Ireland Winners

Along with Danny Hughes, Mark Poland and compere for the night Steven Poacher.

Friday 15th February 7.30pm

@ Saval GAC

Admission - £12

All Welcome

https://www.facebook.com/savalgac/photos/a.10150401181895554/10161614268720554/?type=3&eid=ARBbYBzOgnQKDvoxqsj5RHTsi0QVEetfnTCAzPIVWVSJzptb-oz_ZN0aNV58gnKV9WDclfpMT6qdUpfW&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARDwLlIcdY2alsYe2OSbZJvoVf8xk5y2au9WUsv_Wt7eqNJV0co40udektuuXNZKbkSt_zMhq99nI_JQCK2avzZIBmrOyto06O5vtXI3GU1AG91VG9I_m9W9y3-yIYw-ai4EC51aOmne_0lc56o1Vg-ezS1keBftUs3Cv-LruRmWVWYgZIfUkfnHD7u712C3qnrfy_ncNb96to63MiRN5brovaV3oac2ZzfutDPF5hc9ziSUS8WTpmg4hWIKlwLYrXy2M4Hk8RMcnLb2sHzLAfUbAAHBIEuUV-ugPPWiNzV7o67KWPHC69vyrBwq5p74XmyipuIgyH33Ylq8lAqDLyitPLBoSRXftQ&__tn__=EEHH-R
I don't know why we are letting this lunatic SP compere our Night.

Well Sam im sure the commitee will look forward to you volunteering your services at the agm to become a pro-active member of it. Better to air your grievances there than act the keyboard warrior on here but then i guess anonymity suits you. Personally i think SP willl be a great addition to the panel.i have seen him at a few similar events in this role and he was excellent. Plus he has an afiliation with the 2 Dublin lads in that he part managed the Carlow team.that played against them in last years championship which im sure will form part of the conversation on the night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 24, 2019, 08:54:10 AM
Samfever is the guy who sits in the corner of Saval and complains about everyone and everything.yet never lifts his hand.
SP might be a looper but he will be good at this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 24, 2019, 09:01:01 AM
 I have said my piece and will not be attending.Amen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 24, 2019, 02:44:10 PM
Bet you said nothing to the organisers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 24, 2019, 10:16:21 PM
Laois named a team tonight with no Donie Kingston, who has reportedly been carrying an injury. He is a huge loss to them, although Down will also be some way from full strength.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on January 25, 2019, 03:09:05 PM
Any word on theDown team or do we have to wait to tomorrow evening again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 25, 2019, 05:28:32 PM
Quote from: downjim on January 24, 2019, 08:54:10 AM
Samfever is the guy who sits in the corner of Saval and complains about everyone and everything.yet never lifts his hand.
SP might be a looper but he will be good at this.
Substitute myself and put in downjim. Samfever  downjim is the guy who sits in the corner of Burren and complains about everyone and everything.yet never lifts his hand
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 25, 2019, 09:57:19 PM
I see both the hurling and football teams announced on twitter for tomorrow night. All I'll say if Down footballers win I'll eat my hat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 25, 2019, 10:59:54 PM
Smurfy is as positive as ever about our prospects but the reality is that we have a capable new manager who has been dealing with a fair amount of upheaval in his squad and has named a team to do a specific job in our opening game against what should be serious promotion rivals.

While almost half the side have never previously started a league or championship match and a few others are in unusual positions, did we really expect a settled and familiar line-up ?

O'Hare and O'Hagan will probably appear at some stage, and it would not be a surprise if Harrison is added to the bench, but we have plenty of pace and fitness by all accounts will not be a problem.

We will pretty clearly be keeping plenty of players behind the ball, and the question is whether we can build up enough scores against  decent opposition at this level. It's a new season under the Saturday night lights so bring it on.





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 26, 2019, 06:35:15 AM
No I'm being a realist. No negativity at all just saying as I feel. It's not the strongest of teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 26, 2019, 07:01:34 AM
Where is Liam Devlin from, Clann Na Banna? What age is he?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 26, 2019, 07:31:13 AM
I don't think it is unfair to suggest the team named is experimental. Il be at the game more in hope than expectation, but with a new manager you have to give them time to find their feet.
Derry went down a similar path last year and paid a heavy price, hopefully as the league progresses we get the likes of Mooney, Harrisson and the lads who are suspended back on the starting 15.

I would just be concerned that a couple of early losses can create it's own pressures especially when there are only 7 league games.

Hopefully we get something from tonight's game but I think it might be a bridge too far playing so many inexperienced lads together, I'd gladly be proved wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tony on January 26, 2019, 10:58:41 AM
From a Laois perspective, we're missing a few key players due to injury, and we're trying out a number of new faces. It's not the strongest possible Laois 15. However, by all accounts the mood in the camp is high and everyone is rowing in behind the setup this year after a promising 2018. I expect a 50/50 match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on January 26, 2019, 05:43:45 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 26, 2019, 07:01:34 AM
Where is Liam Devlin from, Clann Na Banna? What age is he?

Liam is from Banbridge yes - big tall lad and can certainly get about - certainly wouldnt be shy putting himself into a tackle.

I believe he has featured in the league before for us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 26, 2019, 08:24:53 PM
Dissapointing 2nd half. Kingston looks to have totally changed the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 26, 2019, 09:16:00 PM
Very poor second half , the lack of a major physical presence especially in the middle third is causing us problems, our midfield was getting cleaned out in the second half but Havern and Devlin were taken off, surely Donnelly would be better in midfield rather than full back, a bad start!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 26, 2019, 09:33:14 PM
Poor second half. Laois had a great bench Down looked to be struggling. Donal O Hare looks sharp.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Tony on January 26, 2019, 09:51:10 PM
Hard luck Down, still plenty of matches to get going. Laois were very strong today in 2nd half and Donie was on fire. I can see ye beating most of the teams in Div . 3; the 2nd half just really clicked for us with the introduction of Donie Kingston and Colm Begley. Best of luck for the rest of the league, ye are nice supporters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 26, 2019, 10:05:51 PM
A steep learning curve for many players tonight. Laois put on 6'6'' Donie Kingston and a few others much the same size, in comparison look who we were putting on. Good wee players but that's exactly what they are, wee. We really lack size and it cost us tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 26, 2019, 10:51:44 PM
It was a disappointing night as we were in such a strong position at half time and the defeat means we may have to win all of our remaining six matches if we are to get promoted. The Laois manager made some crucial tactical and personnel switches during the break, and they were physically stronger than us in some key areas.

However, the game probably turned on a ludicrous decision when Francis was plainly pulled down in front of the main stand, the referee allowed play to continue and the goal gave Laois a huge lift.

Our defence struggled in the second half, particularly after Donnelly was injured, and, apart from O'Hare, our substitutions did not really work. The new faces only made a limited impact and we can expect a fair number of changes for what will be a must win trip to Sligo next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on January 26, 2019, 11:27:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 26, 2019, 10:51:44 PM
It was a disappointing night as we were in such a strong position at half time and the defeat means we may have to win all of our remaining six matches if we are to get promoted. The Laois manager made some crucial tactical and personnel switches during the break, and they were physically stronger than us in some key areas.

However, the game probably turned on a ludicrous decision when Francis was plainly pulled down in front of the main stand, the referee allowed play to continue and the goal gave Laois a huge lift.

Our defence struggled in the second half, particularly after Donnelly was injured, and, apart from O'Hare, our substitutions did not really work. The new faces only made a limited impact and we can expect a fair number of changes for what will be a must win trip to Sligo next week.

what was the craic with the mark JJ took in the second half? ref blew him up for overcarrying even though he had caught the ball clean and was standing still. they went up the field and scored from the resulting free kick. it would have put us 3 up but changed it to a 1 point game. We were poor though, kick out strategy seemed to be hoof a 50/50 ball to the same area each time and pray to win a breaking ball. Donal Ohare was the only man who looked like a proper county man when he eventually came on. A lot of players missing for various reasons but it should have been pencilled in as a must win game if promotion was a realistic target.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on January 26, 2019, 11:32:48 PM
The ref blew a Laois man up for overcarrying after that as well when he was standing expecting a mark to be given. Anyone know why they weren't?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 27, 2019, 12:07:04 AM
Jerome called a mark for a catch from a free kick which is not permitted. He also had a bad miss at the same end but produced a brilliant first half. If we have Darren O'Hagan, McKernan and Ryan Johnston back next week, with probably Mooney, McKibben and O'Hare coming in and maybe Harrison and McArdle available, we will hopefully get our season up and running.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 27, 2019, 08:58:14 AM
As disapointing as it was 2nd half. Down need to unearth new talent. And tally is trying that. We may not get promoted but what would we learn playing the usual suspects?. I wasnt at the game but by sounds of it the defensive set up wasnt the usual Paddy Tally shut out but that takes time. We will know more in a month. Armagh on May 19th is a long way off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 27, 2019, 09:58:43 AM
If you think that Down team is getting promoted you have another thing coming. Decent club footballers but some of them at the minute are not county standard and that's the bottom line. If we are beat next week we are in trouble with Westmeath coming to newry the week after. Hard to fathom the big turnaround in players to last year. To much I believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 27, 2019, 10:36:53 AM
Very early days for Tally and this Down team, but hard to take many positives from last nights game. Despite having 2 sweepers in place Down conceded 2.15, they were cleaned out in mf. Thought big Donnelly should have been brought in there before he went off with another shoulder injury which is very concerning. Few individual moments from forward line but in general didnt link up that well. Hopefully will see a vast improvement when the suspended players and few more injured players get back tho. Conor Francis much better suited to half forward line,  and Liam Devlin looked a little lost to be honest. O'Hare looked good and surely must start against Sligo, in place of Jerome who once again failed to deliver in a Down top. Mooney and Daniel Guinness also looked sharp coming off the bench. 6 games left, 4 away from home, Div 4 is a distinct possibility now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 27, 2019, 10:43:39 AM
Thought Jerome did well on poor service. Who was the player injured at the far end? The stretcher was going out after the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 27, 2019, 10:49:46 AM
All Doom and gloom on here. Are we really thinking div 4 is a serious possibility? If things are so bad what is tge point in getting what most people think is a really good management team together.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 27, 2019, 11:01:40 AM
Division 4 is a really strong possibility I'm afraid to say. Why would it not be? It has happened derry Laois and Westmeath in recent times and we would not be much better than those. Jerome had a brilliant first half. Devlin Poland McAleenan Mcconville and Flanagan has no impact of the game at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 27, 2019, 11:07:15 AM
I don't think relegation will be an issue if Mooney, McKernan, Harrisson and Ohare start. Tally looks like he is going to use this league campaign to experiment and blood new players and is taking a more long term approach. 

In fairness we looked very solid in the first half and laois really struggled to make inroads into our half despite a lot of possession. The introduction of Kingston at ht was pivotal and he was instrumental in all laois's attacling play in the 2nd half, and although the 2nd laois goal should have been a free out, laois had a couple of other opportunities they should have profited from.
I thought Flynn and Mcconville done well particularly in the first half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on January 27, 2019, 01:49:15 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 27, 2019, 11:01:40 AM
Division 4 is a really strong possibility I'm afraid to say. Why would it not be? It has happened derry Laois and Westmeath in recent times and we would not be much better than those. Jerome had a brilliant first half. Devlin Poland McAleenan Mcconville and Flanagan has no impact of the game at all.
You have changed your tune...good to see little more realism with your posts now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 27, 2019, 02:43:37 PM
No I'm not changing my tune. It's a realistic prospect with Mooney Harrison O Hare McKernan Maginn Johnstone McArdle O Hagens likely to miss large parts of the league. It would not be a prospect at all
If all the above playing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 27, 2019, 04:32:15 PM
Smurfy, although you have named eight players as `likely to miss large parts of the league', there is every prospect that six of them will be in the squad for our second game next Sunday. There is some uncertainty about McArdle and Maginn, but no one has suggested they face lengthy lay-offs.

If we slip up against Sligo, we will certainly be in trouble. However, they lost by double scores to Carlow today so a Down side with some familiar faces returning should be capable of getting a result at Collooney.

We need to use D3 as an opportunity to give us options in as many positions as possible, so there are inevitably going to be twists and turns along the way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on January 27, 2019, 05:37:44 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on January 26, 2019, 11:27:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 26, 2019, 10:51:44 PM
It was a disappointing night as we were in such a strong position at half time and the defeat means we may have to win all of our remaining six matches if we are to get promoted. The Laois manager made some crucial tactical and personnel switches during the break, and they were physically stronger than us in some key areas.

However, the game probably turned on a ludicrous decision when Francis was plainly pulled down in front of the main stand, the referee allowed play to continue and the goal gave Laois a huge lift.

Our defence struggled in the second half, particularly after Donnelly was injured, and, apart from O'Hare, our substitutions did not really work. The new faces only made a limited impact and we can expect a fair number of changes for what will be a must win trip to Sligo next week.

what was the craic with the mark JJ took in the second half? ref blew him up for overcarrying even though he had caught the ball clean and was standing still. they went up the field and scored from the resulting free kick. it would have put us 3 up but changed it to a 1 point game. We were poor though, kick out strategy seemed to be hoof a 50/50 ball to the same area each time and pray to win a breaking ball. Donal Ohare was the only man who looked like a proper county man when he eventually came on. A lot of players missing for various reasons but it should have been pencilled in as a must win game if promotion was a realistic target.

This has been an issue for at least ten years with Down. It was eventually their undoing in the 2010 AIF.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 27, 2019, 06:46:28 PM
I hear that Poacher let himself down a bagful again last at the end of the Down game when he must have got into it with the Laois stats people at the back of the stand and he ended up throwing a bottle at them as he was going down the steps. The man just can't help himself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on January 28, 2019, 09:32:58 AM
If true then he should be dealt with appropriately by Down. He has caused mayhem here for several years and gets away with it ad nauseum . In instances like this he taints us all in the eyes of visitors
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 28, 2019, 11:52:39 AM
So I was chatting to Stevie this morning.

Apparently the Laois man is obsessed with attacking football, and him and Poacher have had a run-in about this before.

The Laois fella spent the whole game winding people up by shouting things like "get it into the forwards", "take your man on" and "have a go".

Which was okay when Down were winning, as our crowd could laugh away at him. But when Laois began to get on top, the air began to change too.

Poacher says he tried to warn him that things could get ugly: "you're in the the wrong province for that kind of talk, son", and "look, there's children here, they don't need to hear words like that".

But on and on the Laois man went. Louder and louder, "Don't be afraid to take a pop", "protecting the lead is a dangerous game lads; stay on the front foot".

Then he threw out the ultimate insult to everyone around him "for God's sake Donie, don't be chasing back, defending is something for the backs to do. You take a breather".

At this point Steven was rightly worried a riot could ensue. Being a friend to any man in trouble, he went into full distraction mode, throwing water bottles around and doing that "everyone look at me" raindance thing he does.

It was this little charade that created a short window for the Laois man to run for safety.

Steven willingly showed me the thank you texts he got from across Laois this morning. The lad involved probably won't be coming north again for a while. He forgets himself and just can't rein it in, and puts the whole county in jeopardy. Awful shame as apparently he's a really nice fella, apart from his mucked up desire for attacking football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on January 28, 2019, 01:09:35 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 28, 2019, 11:52:39 AM
So I was chatting to Stevie this morning.

Apparently the Laois man is obsessed with attacking football, and him and Poacher have had a run-in about this before.

The Laois fella spent the whole game winding people up by shouting things like "get it into the forwards", "take your man on" and "have a go".

Which was okay when Down were winning, as our crowd could laugh away at him. But when Laois began to get on top, the air began to change too.

Poacher says he tried to warn him that things could get ugly: "you're in the the wrong province for that kind of talk, son", and "look, there's children here, they don't need to hear words like that".

But on and on the Laois man went. Louder and louder, "Don't be afraid to take a pop", "protecting the lead is a dangerous game lads; stay on the front foot".

Then he threw out the ultimate insult to everyone around him "for God's sake Donie, don't be chasing back, defending is something for the backs to do. You take a breather".

At this point Steven was rightly worried a riot could ensue. Being a friend to any man in trouble, he went into full distraction mode, throwing water bottles around and doing that "everyone look at me" raindance thing he does.

It was this little charade that created a short window for the Laois man to run for safety.

Steven willingly showed me the thank you texts he got from across Laois this morning. The lad involved probably won't be coming north again for a while. He forgets himself and just can't rein it in, and puts the whole county in jeopardy. Awful shame as apparently he's a really nice fella, apart from his mucked up desire for attacking football.

wobbler you should get a gold star for that post!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 28, 2019, 04:44:15 PM
Quote from: thebar on January 28, 2019, 01:09:35 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 28, 2019, 11:52:39 AM
So I was chatting to Stevie this morning.

Apparently the Laois man is obsessed with attacking football, and him and Poacher have had a run-in about this before.

The Laois fella spent the whole game winding people up by shouting things like "get it into the forwards", "take your man on" and "have a go".

Which was okay when Down were winning, as our crowd could laugh away at him. But when Laois began to get on top, the air began to change too.

Poacher says he tried to warn him that things could get ugly: "you're in the the wrong province for that kind of talk, son", and "look, there's children here, they don't need to hear words like that".

But on and on the Laois man went. Louder and louder, "Don't be afraid to take a pop", "protecting the lead is a dangerous game lads; stay on the front foot".

Then he threw out the ultimate insult to everyone around him "for God's sake Donie, don't be chasing back, defending is something for the backs to do. You take a breather".

At this point Steven was rightly worried a riot could ensue. Being a friend to any man in trouble, he went into full distraction mode, throwing water bottles around and doing that "everyone look at me" raindance thing he does.

It was this little charade that created a short window for the Laois man to run for safety.

Steven willingly showed me the thank you texts he got from across Laois this morning. The lad involved probably won't be coming north again for a while. He forgets himself and just can't rein it in, and puts the whole county in jeopardy. Awful shame as apparently he's a really nice fella, apart from his mucked up desire for attacking football.

wobbler you should get a gold star for that post!  ;D ;D ;D
👍👏👏
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDun2025 on January 28, 2019, 10:22:09 PM
Tough result to take in Saturday  Night. Relegation should not be an issue from this Division. Promotion is still possible  all teams will drop points especially with so many derby games in Leinster.

Paddy and his team have a massive job on their hands let's give him the time to get it right. And support the players to get the work under their belt and learn the skills that are needed to compete at this level.

The players that are not available for one reason or another can not just be replaced it will take significant game time to get these young guys up to the standard they need to be at to compete.
Players who played league or championship last year that are currently  unavailable to the county.
Gerard McGovern
Niall McParland
Anthony Doherty
Peter Turkey
Shay Millar
Ronan Millar
Daragh O'Hanlon
Aaron Morgan.
Men with a significant amount of experience and power and many hours of league and champiounship hours under their belt.
If we get K McKernan, D O'Hagan RJ and Harrison back in the starting 15 for Sligo I'd be  confident we can get the Result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedBlackPurpleGold on January 29, 2019, 07:49:50 AM
After watching the match I can only conclude that some on this feed haven't a clue about football. Down were excellent on-the-go first half. We had a terrible 3rd quarter but the game turned on the foul on Francis. Heads dropped after that but this was a very inexperienced team,  they will get better and with all the players missing coming back we can still have a decent league. PS Donnelly was at full back because of injuries and will be back to midfield in due course.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on January 29, 2019, 12:49:54 PM
Always so much negativity and crap slagging on this thread.  Would melt ye!

What 'new' lads did well? Any impact off the bench? What were the positives?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on February 02, 2019, 07:26:35 AM
Stronger team out this week, should go well , still a few areas which can be improved but it's a must win game so I predict a comfortable win by 6 points , no negative waves here .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: grounded on February 02, 2019, 12:47:16 PM
Quote from: RedBlackPurpleGold on January 29, 2019, 07:49:50 AM
After watching the match I can only conclude that some on this feed haven't a clue about football. Down were excellent on-the-go first half. We had a terrible 3rd quarter but the game turned on the foul on Francis. Heads dropped after that but this was a very inexperienced team,  they will get better and with all the players missing coming back we can still have a decent league. PS Donnelly was at full back because of injuries and will be back to midfield in due course.

That's my take on it as well. Lots of promise shown by a very inexperienced side. Things will pick up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 02, 2019, 02:38:09 PM
Down-1 @ 5/6, can't ignore that!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 03, 2019, 07:00:51 PM
Showed some grit and determination to snatch a win today in brutal conditions. After a nightmare start had Sligo ahead 1.2 to 0. Down battled the whole way to claw themselves into the game. Darren O Hagen, RJ and Mooney all put in some performance  and D O'Hare also,  mf still a worry tho, struggled to win much but was a brutal day to be fair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 03, 2019, 09:05:38 PM
Sometimes you wonder why we are mad enought to drive to Connacht on the coldest and wettest day of the year, particularly when Sligo take the lead in injury time. Then Mooney hits the net with practically the last kick after a brilliant move and it all makes sense again.

The conditions were so bad today, on a pitch with unusually long grass, that it turned into a battle of attrition, with repeated handling errors and tackles flying all over the place. Sligo were quicker to realise the value of the long ball and it looked bleak for us when they led 1-2 to no score after barely five minutes.

Murnin and  Jerome were a little unlucky to be replaced so early but the changes helped us to get back into it with McKernan a steady influence when he went to full back and Darren O'Hagen always impressive beside him. The keeper, Burns, was rock solid under the dropping ball but midfield was a lottery and plenty of breaks went against us.

Poland had probably his best game for Down so far while O'Hare has a touch of class and it was important to give Harrison a run in the last quarter.

Mooney still takes the odd wrong option but his 1-2 from play was crucial in such a tight contest. Down showed great coolness by
putting together a string of passes right at the death, and, when a point was there for the taking, O'Hare was able to pick out Mooney for a decisive finish.

We will need to improve sharply against Westmeath next Saturday, but, with other sides dropping points this weekend, another win would put us right back in the mix for promotion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 04, 2019, 07:31:06 AM
Moy appoint Shane Mulholland and Stephen Poacher as new managers for the 2019 season. Any other Down men managing outside of Down? Wobbler you kept that one quiet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: magpie seanie on February 04, 2019, 03:47:14 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 03, 2019, 09:05:38 PM
Sometimes you wonder why we are mad enought to drive to Connacht on the coldest and wettest day of the year, particularly when Sligo take the lead in injury time. Then Mooney hits the net with practically the last kick after a brilliant move and it all makes sense again.

The conditions were so bad today, on a pitch with unusually long grass, that it turned into a battle of attrition, with repeated handling errors and tackles flying all over the place. Sligo were quicker to realise the value of the long ball and it looked bleak for us when they led 1-2 to no score after barely five minutes.

Murnin and  Jerome were a little unlucky to be replaced so early but the changes helped us to get back into it with McKernan a steady influence when he went to full back and Darren O'Hagen always impressive beside him. The keeper, Burns, was rock solid under the dropping ball but midfield was a lottery and plenty of breaks went against us.

Poland had probably his best game for Down so far while O'Hare has a touch of class and it was important to give Harrison a run in the last quarter.

Mooney still takes the odd wrong option but his 1-2 from play was crucial in such a tight contest. Down showed great coolness by
putting together a string of passes right at the death, and, when a point was there for the taking, O'Hare was able to pick out Mooney for a decisive finish.

We will need to improve sharply against Westmeath next Saturday, but, with other sides dropping points this weekend, another win would put us right back in the mix for promotion.

If you're still optimistic about your promotion chances then what would you make of Sligo's prospects? I thought we were desperately unlucky to lose that game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 04, 2019, 05:11:00 PM
Carryduff going well reaching Ulster U21 final, county panellist Daniel Guinness hit winning point. Is the older brother James in reckon for county panel, or where is he?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 04, 2019, 05:40:15 PM
If Sligo keep producing the kind of intensity on display yesterday, they will give anyone in D3 a game. The margins were very tight in Collooney, and the result could have gone either way in injury time. When Sligo took the lead, Barry O'Hagan had a decent late chance for a point but the ball faded wide. If it had gone over, two exhausted teams would probably have settled for the draw. Instead, Down had no option other than to throw men forward, and it paid off with the goal from Mooney. Sligo will find it tough going to Laois without Hughes this Sunday but, when back to full strength, have definite prospects away to Louth and at home to Offaly in their final fixture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedBlackPurpleGold on February 05, 2019, 07:50:49 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 04, 2019, 05:11:00 PM
Carryduff going well reaching Ulster U21 final, county panellist Daniel Guinness hit winning point. Is the older brother James in reckon for county panel, or where is he?
James is studying in Dublin,  a good player and definitely worth looking at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 06, 2019, 09:35:35 AM
Good luck to Carryduff in the Ulster final. A proud time for the whole of East Down.
Kilcoo look to be flying in the much coveted Ulster senior league. Two big wins already and a tasty affair away to St Brigids at 11am on Sunday to look forward to for their players. As Downs only participants we are all behind you and hope you can claim that maiden Ulster title victory.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on February 07, 2019, 06:38:43 PM
I hear the Premier Reserve League games are now being played on Saturday night.

Surely this going to clash with the ladies club matches and will not be enough referees to cover both. 

Integration is going well in Down. NOT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 07, 2019, 07:39:51 PM
Integration is the LGFA amd camogie boards fault throughout Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on February 08, 2019, 08:10:21 AM
Quote from: downjim on February 07, 2019, 07:39:51 PM
Integration is the LGFA amd camogie boards fault throughout Ireland.

Integration is a three way thing between the LGFA, Camogie and Mens Football

But typical Mens County Board NO respect for the LGFA in this county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 08, 2019, 08:24:44 AM
Quote from: razor on February 07, 2019, 06:38:43 PM
I hear the Premier Reserve League games are now being played on Saturday night.

Surely this going to clash with the ladies club matches and will not be enough referees to cover both. 

Integration is going well in Down. NOT

FWIW I support this move if it's happening.

Reserve football squads tend to have a lot of students, which makes midweek matches difficult, and rely on family men, which makes long Sunday away matches troublesome.

Saturday evening  then pints afterwards might inject some much needed player interest in the competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 08, 2019, 08:57:05 AM
Lgfa should recruit more referees then.

Reserve games on Saturday will be great for clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 08, 2019, 12:47:06 PM
Well what's everyone's thoughts for this weekend?

Will Tally add to his tally? Or will the Smokey Heads prevail?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 08, 2019, 10:09:46 PM
Any team news for tomorrow night? It's a big one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on February 08, 2019, 10:51:34 PM
The premier reserve league desperately needs to be split back into two divisions in my opinion.there is a clear divide between the top seconds teams such as burren,kilcoo,mayobridge and castlewellan,and the teams who would previously have made up premier reserve league two.if I recall correctly,the leagues were merged into one due to teams not fielding.i don't think this has helped,and now you have teams struggling to field in an away fixture,that even if they had their strongest 15 they wouldn't win.however due to cry offs they are going to a difficult away fixture to take a hammering.
   
If the leagues were split again you would have teams playing each other at a similar level,meaning more enjoyable games,and less cryoffs as most games would be theoretically winnable.it would also mean the team promoted should be able for the step up.also,a team looking to step up from east or south down reserve league wouldn't jump from playing a thirds team to kilcoo seconds.
   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on February 08, 2019, 11:11:03 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 08, 2019, 10:09:46 PM
Any team news for tomorrow night? It's a big one

DOWN: Rory Burns; Darren O'Hagan, Ruairi Wells, Gerard Collins; Stephen Fegan, Colm Flanagan, Johnny Flynn; Caolan Mooney, Conor Poland; Conor Francis, Paul Devlin, Kevin McKernan; Ryan Johnston, Pat Havern, Donal O'Hare.

WESTMEATH: Eoin Carberry; Killian Daly, Ronan Wallace, Boidu Sayeh; David Lynch, Jamie Gonoud, James Dolan; Denis Corroon, Noel Mulligan; Ronan O'Toole, Callum McCormack, Ger Egan; Kieran Martin, Joe Halligan, Sam Duncan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 08, 2019, 11:31:25 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on February 08, 2019, 11:11:03 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 08, 2019, 10:09:46 PM
Any team news for tomorrow night? It's a big one

DOWN: Rory Burns; Darren O'Hagan, Ruairi Wells, Gerard Collins; Stephen Fegan, Colm Flanagan, Johnny Flynn; Caolan Mooney, Conor Poland; Conor Francis, Paul Devlin, Kevin McKernan; Ryan Johnston, Pat Havern, Donal O'Hare.

WESTMEATH: Eoin Carberry; Killian Daly, Ronan Wallace, Boidu Sayeh; David Lynch, Jamie Gonoud, James Dolan; Denis Corroon, Noel Mulligan; Ronan O'Toole, Callum McCormack, Ger Egan; Kieran Martin, Joe Halligan, Sam Duncan.

that's prob the strongest starting 15 yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: grounded on February 09, 2019, 09:06:18 PM
Great heart shown to clinch that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 09, 2019, 10:13:50 PM
Not a great performance and it could have  went either way. Big 2 points all the same
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 09, 2019, 11:06:31 PM
Timely decision to take Harrison off, great winning score!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 10, 2019, 12:01:09 AM
We may not exactly be producing sparkling football but it tells you something about a squad when you come from behind to hit an injury time winner for the second week in a row. The manager deserves enormous credit for the changes he made in both games, and he completely outsmarted opponents who had an extra man for two thirds of the match.

He has us brilliantly organised at the back, and our tackling has improved beyond recognition.To only concede four points in the second half with the numerical disadvantage was an outstanding performance. It helped that Westmeath were so conservative throughout but we were the team who wanted it more at the decisive stage.

Burns had an excellent penalty save, after a little advice from his coach, and is good with the ball in his hands even if he had very few options with his kick outs. The entire defence combined well, with O'Hagan an outstanding captain and McKernan supervising everything.

Our midfield is not really big enough to win primary possession but has plenty of pace and did a decent job on the limited opportunities from breaking ball which came our way.

Havern has ability but his follow through after the missed goal chance was foolish and could easily have cost us the result. Fortunately Ryan Johnston had his best ever game for Down and O'Hare ran himself into the ground and was man of the match by a mile.

Tally sent on Harrison at the break but realised he was not fully fit and took him off again in favour of Jerome, who was replaced early last week but had the maturity to secure and score from the crucial mark.

We have a tough trip to Longford coming up but two points from our last two away fixtures, and hopefully a maximum return at home, may well get us over the line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 10, 2019, 07:33:04 AM
The giving up primary possession surely needs addressed. We were doing it before the sending off so that's no excuse. Then our knockouts just bombed down the middle is hardly a creative kick out strategy. Better teams will destroy us. Great point from  JJ to win it though. Mooney ohare and ohagan stood up to the plate again. The Co Board need to look at themselves with not letting children on the field at Half time. What is the H&S risk with kids running on grass with a ball. Wise to f**k up!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 10, 2019, 09:13:16 AM
Same as Sligo game for Down, effort and heart cant be questioned at all, you could see at the final whistle how delighted the players were. Some hit from JJ to win it, will do his confidence no harm.

Great penalty save from Burns, he didnt seem to have any other options available to him other than boom it out to the packed side of the pitch, were Westmeath definitely came out better, sending off didnt help as very difficult to work short kickout with player less on the pitch. Pick of the defence were O'Hagan, Collins and Wells for me. MF fought hard, but bit worrying how little ball they won.  Ryan Johnston, O'Hare both put in serious shift again but without doubt the substitution of Maginn was the winning of the game, thought he was excellent in 2nd half. Harrison cleary not ready for 35mins and will improve.

Still plenty of players to come back into the team, that will no doubt in improve it, Ryan McAleenan in at corner back would release O Hagan to no 6. He's such a good footballer, be good to see him on the ball as much as possible. Niall Donnelly in at MF beside Mooney would make big difference also.
No pretty to watch, but hats off to the team for their  fight and desire, that definitely cant be questioned.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 10, 2019, 10:07:00 AM
Down need to try get another midfielder to play alongside Mooney and Donnelly is probably the right man for that role. He has been played fullback but he is probably our best midfielder this past few years. Performance should get better as last night was not great. Harrison clearly a mile off the pace and give away 3 or 4 balls needs to get himself in shape. One season wonder comes to mind as he has done nothing before or after that year where he had 2 great matches against Monaghan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 10, 2019, 04:04:59 PM
We have little option other than to pack midfield and try and win the breaking ball as we just do not have players available who are likely to take clean catches. Short kick outs are very risky against well organised opponents and a turnover could easily have led to a Westmeath goal in the first half last night.
Donnelly will make a difference when he recovers from injury but we never really replaced the likes of Gordon, King and Ambrose from a few years ago.  However, coming from behind to grab injury time wins twice in a row is bound to increase our confidence in a tight division. Our trip to Longford in a fortnight wil be crucial as they had an excellent win away to Carlow today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on February 11, 2019, 02:55:52 PM
Such a pity Niall Parland is in Qatar, I think he could have been developed into a quality midfielder for us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on February 13, 2019, 02:39:57 PM
Fixtures calendar (yet to be approved) has been sent to clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on February 13, 2019, 07:30:42 PM
First of all can I explain that I am not from Down but regularly  visit your site to read  the many comments and constructive discussion that takes place and generally enjoy the posts. However, I see unwarranted  comments from one poster constantly criticising others and generally attempting to insult other clubs and individuals. Downjim, to my knowledge your club is a well respected club in GAA circules the length and breadth of Ireland, but your antics reflects on your club whether you like it or not and I'm sure the good people from Burren are embarrassed by your pathetic juvenile behaviour. We are all GAA people and do not need to attempt to insult each other, there are enough begrudgers out there willing to do that to our great association. So please show respect to all in our sport.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 13, 2019, 10:07:04 PM
Downjim, you have an admirer!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on February 14, 2019, 04:21:37 PM
Quote from: Targetman on February 13, 2019, 10:07:04 PM
Downjim, you have an admirer!!

180 sir
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on February 14, 2019, 06:27:38 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on February 13, 2019, 07:30:42 PM
First of all can I explain that I am not from Down but regularly  visit your site to read  the many comments and constructive discussion that takes place and generally enjoy the posts. However, I see unwarranted  comments from one poster constantly criticising others and generally attempting to insult other clubs and individuals. Downjim, to my knowledge your club is a well respected club in GAA circules the length and breadth of Ireland, but your antics reflects on your club whether you like it or not and I'm sure the good people from Burren are embarrassed by your pathetic juvenile behaviour. We are all GAA people and do not need to attempt to insult each other, there are enough begrudgers out there willing to do that to our great association. So please show respect to all in our sport.

Good man Smurph.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 17, 2019, 03:51:23 PM
Unlucky Carryduff in today's final. Only a matter of time until Laverty transfers from Saul
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on February 18, 2019, 07:10:31 AM
That's the stupidest comment you have ever posted smurf, what basis are you using to substantiate this notion, the lad played in a few games for Carryduff because his own club didn't have a team in the competition, Down ultimately benefit , so what's the problem, narrow minded south down clubmen like yourself are vexed because your own clubs are not winning the u21 championship , bottom line is , you should keep those stupid thoughts to yourself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on February 18, 2019, 12:24:06 PM
Hardly downs benefit cuan if he's playing for carryduff? If it was down's benefit he'd be playing for down. Still a disgrace that carryduff are happy enough for their own players to sit on the bench and not get any football but take in other lads from other clubs and give them football. What are carryduff gonna do with their seniors this year? Heard they are looking Donal o'hare in. Wonder will they get him?
Fact of the matter is east down football bar kilcoo is in a shambolic state currently and this is only going to continue and the gap is only getting bigger.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 18, 2019, 01:19:50 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on February 18, 2019, 12:24:06 PM
Hardly downs benefit cuan if he's playing for carryduff? If it was down's benefit he'd be playing for down. Still a disgrace that carryduff are happy enough for their own players to sit on the bench and not get any football but take in other lads from other clubs and give them football. What are carryduff gonna do with their seniors this year? Heard they are looking Donal o'hare in. Wonder will they get him?
Fact of the matter is east down football bar kilcoo is in a shambolic state currently and this is only going to continue and the gap is only getting bigger.

5 of the 11 clubs in ACFL1 are from East Down.

I believe they'll be joined in the SFC by Liatroim, Bredagh and Carryduff.

I'm not sure what you use for your baramoter, but it would appear to be somewhat flawed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on February 18, 2019, 02:06:12 PM
Clonduff brought in players for u21 for years. Carryduff allowed Laverty to play for them to benefit the lad and the boys around him got to play in an Ulster final. What better way to improve your senior team than get your young players playing at the top level? Even better news is they have 13 boys back next year to do it all again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 18, 2019, 05:06:31 PM
What players did Clonduff bring in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on February 18, 2019, 05:15:31 PM
Colm McAlarney was on a combined Laitroim Loughinisland minor team that got to the final of the Down championship in the mid 60s.  There have probably been amalgamations for as long as teams have played.

Colm McAlarney could well have made the down minor team anyhow but it makes it a lot easier for the county manager to see a player if his club team is playing at a good standard.  Certainly easier to pick than if the player wasn't playing any football because his club team hadn't the numbers to get 15 players at that grade.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 18, 2019, 05:48:26 PM
Saul and ardglass amalgamation won the very first Ulster minor club back in 1983 I think it was.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on February 18, 2019, 06:12:02 PM
Quote from: Targetman on February 18, 2019, 05:06:31 PM
What players did Clonduff bring in?
Patrick Grant, plays for teconnaght
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on February 18, 2019, 06:51:36 PM
Smurf your full of crap, denying a young player top flight ultimately denies him the chance to develop further and hopefully start for Down seniors, your narrow minded insular attitude serves no purpose in down , your idea of success is to get to a semi final and finish above roster or, both of which you won't achieve this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 18, 2019, 07:12:10 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on February 18, 2019, 06:12:02 PM
Quote from: Targetman on February 18, 2019, 05:06:31 PM
What players did Clonduff bring in?
Patrick Grant, plays for teconnaght
Ah right, all them players over the years!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on February 18, 2019, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: ardtole on February 18, 2019, 05:48:26 PM
Saul and ardglass amalgamation won the very first Ulster minor club back in 1983 I think it was.

Correct ardtole . Both clubs combined in 1982 under Ardglass  name and were narrowly beaten at county semifinal stage. Then won Ulster in 1983.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 18, 2019, 11:46:01 PM
Clonduff took their fair share of blow ins over the years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on February 19, 2019, 01:07:31 AM
Quote from: downjim on February 18, 2019, 11:46:01 PM
Clonduff took their fair share of blow ins over the years
No too many Caravan Parks in Hilltown Downjim. You've been very quiet after getting caught up in that Sandstorm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 19, 2019, 08:51:14 PM
Quote from: downjim on February 18, 2019, 11:46:01 PM
Clonduff took their fair share of blow ins over the years
Name them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 19, 2019, 10:40:55 PM
Do you not know the answer targetman ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on February 20, 2019, 01:13:53 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on February 18, 2019, 02:06:12 PM
Clonduff brought in players for u21 for years. Carryduff allowed Laverty to play for them to benefit the lad and the boys around him got to play in an Ulster final. What better way to improve your senior team than get your young players playing at the top level? Even better news is they have 13 boys back next year to do it all again.

What about the other 10 carryduff lads that were sitting on the bench??? Maybe I'm wrong but my club try to develop and improve every player within the club and not just the "best" players. Just think if Burren had have taken that strategy then Kevin mckernan probably wouldn't be playing football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on February 20, 2019, 01:19:50 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 18, 2019, 01:19:50 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on February 18, 2019, 12:24:06 PM
Hardly downs benefit cuan if he's playing for carryduff? If it was down's benefit he'd be playing for down. Still a disgrace that carryduff are happy enough for their own players to sit on the bench and not get any football but take in other lads from other clubs and give them football. What are carryduff gonna do with their seniors this year? Heard they are looking Donal o'hare in. Wonder will they get him?
Fact of the matter is east down football bar kilcoo is in a shambolic state currently and this is only going to continue and the gap is only getting bigger.

5 of the 11 clubs in ACFL1 are from East Down.

I believe they'll be joined in the SFC by Liatroim, Bredagh and Carryduff.

I'm not sure what you use for your baramoter, but it would appear to be somewhat flawed.

Brilliant 5 of 11 in division 1. Really going well then. Kilcoo leading the flag so east down is brilliant. Castlewellan couldn't even have their own u21 team they had to amalgamate. A big club like this shouldn't be happening. Byransfords senior are going backwards as is their youth with no championship winning teams in recent years. Downpatrick are just about in division 1 but would most certainly not say they are excelling currently. Loughanisland in fairness seem to be up and coming. With a young senior team performing very well in last years championship however with the gormley appointment I can only see them playing 15 men behind the ball football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 20, 2019, 02:31:46 PM
Kevin really came into his own around 16-18, up until then he was an average player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 20, 2019, 04:38:53 PM
Quote from: downjim on February 19, 2019, 10:40:55 PM
Do you not know the answer targetman ??
Neither do you by the looks of it, name the blow ins!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 21, 2019, 09:05:21 AM
The blue shirts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on February 21, 2019, 12:16:14 PM
Dont think Downjim as any names. Hope he doesn't post the names of blow ins at his club. It would be some list
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 21, 2019, 01:20:12 PM
A Clonduff poster could verify this, if they had a good internet connection.

Apparently a lot of money being put on the point to win Frank in Hugo's. 12/1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on February 21, 2019, 02:21:36 PM
Paddy Grant that plays for Teconnaught was the Clonduff Transfer over last few years? Is that the same Paddy Grant that lives in clonduff and plays hurling for clonduff? big transfer news
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 21, 2019, 03:03:28 PM
Cheers for clearing that up Paddy but I was not even on about you. Why do you live in  Hilltown and play for Tecconaught? Clonduff have 3 adult teams Paddy ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on February 21, 2019, 08:11:54 PM
Safer asking him that but was clearing up that its not exactly clonduff bringing boys in for years when he lives in the parish but his home club where he used to live doesnt have a team just like he hurls for clonduff because they T'connaught dont have a Hurling team. Not everyone has a caravan to play where they want. Nothing wrong with lads whos club does t have a team joining somewhere else, but 2 closest clubs should try to join to make one team rather than ayera going where they want. Be nice to see more teams at u20. Saul/bright/ardglass? Drumgath annaclone used to join? Saval/Ballyholland, aghaderg/Clan na banna? And more if we are so worried about lads joining other clubs we should look at some senior teams theough the divisions were lads addresses dont match their clubs catchment :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 21, 2019, 08:42:34 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on February 21, 2019, 08:11:54 PM
Safer asking him that but was clearing up that its not exactly clonduff bringing boys in for years when he lives in the parish but his home club where he used to live doesnt have a team just like he hurls for clonduff because they T'connaught dont have a Hurling team. Not everyone has a caravan to play where they want. Nothing wrong with lads whos club does t have a team joining somewhere else, but 2 closest clubs should try to join to make one team rather than ayera going where they want. Be nice to see more teams at u20. Saul/bright/ardglass? Drumgath annaclone used to join? Saval/Ballyholland, aghaderg/Clan na banna? And more if we are so worried about lads joining other clubs we should look at some senior teams theough the divisions were lads addresses dont match their clubs catchment :)
In Theory yes this is a good thing for under age. Problem is though it's usually the smaller club in the pairing that has players tempted to go with the annaclones or clann na banna when it comes to senior football. They see  more chance of playing at a higher level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on February 21, 2019, 08:47:20 PM
Just giving examples, in ideal world its 2 x smaller clubs that should join for those competitions only for a numbers issue rather than join with a big club who dont need the numbers which is where this conversation appears to have started
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on February 21, 2019, 09:43:16 PM
Keen to hear who the Clonduff imports are. I'm a member and not sure who you are talking about Jim?
Maybe I should go to more games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 21, 2019, 09:56:35 PM
You not know the blue shirts!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on February 22, 2019, 02:45:02 AM
What decade you in target man??? Or should we say century???

Downjim- unhappy burren over in ballyholland yesterday rumour has it?? Any truth to these rumours?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 22, 2019, 11:29:06 PM
Down team for Longford named as Burns; Collins, Wells, McAleenan; Laverty, Flannagan, O'Hagan; Flynn, Mooney; Ryan Johnston, Poland, McGrady; O'Hare, Harrison, McKernan.

It's a pretty strong side for a crunch match, with the winners very likely to be promoted. Jerome might have started but will certainly be used at some stage. Pierce Laverty is an excellent prospect and there is only one way to find out if he is a senior county player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 23, 2019, 08:21:10 AM
Strong enough looking 15 again this week from Down, looking forward to seeing how Laverty gets on. Surprised Maginn not in from the start tho after the difference he made last time out.

Conor Francis not made the 26? Is he injured?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 23, 2019, 08:56:33 AM
Stringer looking Down team for Sunday I expect them to win a tight match. Longford have players back from the mullinaghta team so wil be a boost but still expect Down to win.

League fixtures out I see

Burren to take a month or 2 to get going but will finish in top 4

Kilcoo flying in ulster league will win division 1 and favourites for the big one

CPN we will start off quiet slow in the league and if we can get everyone fit can be contenders again fir the championship

Mayobridge as always top 3 in division 1 and if they could sort their goalkeeper out could push the big two

Clonduff will finish in top 6 and if they could unearth a defender or 2 could cause an upset in the championship

Rostrevor can't see them competing as they done last year relegation contenders

Castlewellan to be comfortable mid table league team and as we have seen in the past won't count come the big one

Bryansford like Castlewellan will sit comfortably in division 1 and get to quarter finals the big underachieving team of ten years

Downpatrick should improve on a disastrous campaign last year but still could go down

Ballyholland really are up against it this year with suspensions early on and retirements. And say what you likd about him but poacher leaving is a massive loss. Automatic relegation

Loughinisland had a great campaign last year and should be mid table division 1 and a quarter final championship team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 24, 2019, 05:18:46 PM
Not too many people would have predicted an eight point win for us in Longford, and promotion is now very much in our own hands. We are sitting in second with three games left, the last of which is at home to Louth who top the division on scoring difference. Hopefully someone who was there can tell us a little more about the performance. Fair play to Donal O'Hare who has had an excellent goal scoring record over the years. He may be the first Down senior player to score a hat-trick since Mickey Linden in a McKenna Cup final against Derry at Casement Park about three decades ago, unless anyone can recall a more recent example.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiffler on February 24, 2019, 05:26:22 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 24, 2019, 05:18:46 PM
Not too many people would have predicted an eight point win for us in Longford, and promotion is now very much in our own hands. We are sitting in second with three games left, the last of which is at home to Louth who top the division on scoring difference. Hopefully someone who was there can tell us a little more about the performance. Fair play to Donal O'Hare who has had an excellent goal scoring record over the years. He may be the first Down senior player to score a hat-trick since Mickey Linden in a McKenna Cup final against Derry at Casement Park about three decades ago, unless anyone can recall a more recent example.

John Mc areavey got a hat trick I think in Mc kenna Cup about 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 24, 2019, 06:47:02 PM
Was in Longford today, the difference between the two sides was the class of Donal O Hare, 3 goals excellently taken along with a couple of points, Burns saved another penalty and the defence was solid enough, problem still at midfield where we struggled to win possession but that has been well documented before, we need to get more forwards on the scoresheet although Jerome scored 2 when introduced, Harrison looks way of the pace at the minute and didn't offer much before being subbed, all in a good win against our rivals for promotion, happy enough!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 24, 2019, 07:18:18 PM
Its not pretty but its effective, O Hare ruthless infront of goal and Jerome excellent when introduced for Harrison and as targetman said he was miles off the pace, his current form is a bit of a concern tbh. Burns another great penalty save, defence coped well,  didnt really give Longford much. MF won very little, really would need sorted out soon. Hopefully Donnelly is back soon to partner Mooney in there but was a great win away against the previously unbeaten league leaders.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 24, 2019, 08:03:21 PM
Stiffler, John McAreavey definitely got 2-3 on his McKenna Cup debut against Donegal about ten years ago. Perhaps someone from Tullylish can tell us if he ever managed a county hat-trick as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 24, 2019, 08:16:16 PM
Was the McAreavey hatrick not against Tyrone in McKenna cup up in Omagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: seafoid on February 25, 2019, 07:59:49 AM
1989 McKenna Cup and Danny Kelly interview


https://youtu.be/ARrPYOpX2jU
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 26, 2019, 09:00:04 AM
Can someone tell me when the minor league starts? Has any fixtures been released
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on February 26, 2019, 09:06:22 AM
Quote from: downjim on February 26, 2019, 09:00:04 AM
Can someone tell me when the minor league starts? Has any fixtures been released

Dates were sent out to the clubs. No fixtures done yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 27, 2019, 12:32:36 AM
Quote from: downjim on February 26, 2019, 09:00:04 AM
Can someone tell me when the minor league starts? Has any fixtures been released

sunday 10th march, no fixtures as yet though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 27, 2019, 05:35:58 PM
Imagine the senior leagues had to wait this long, games start next week, let's get them out please
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 28, 2019, 08:00:02 AM
Quote from: downjim on February 27, 2019, 05:35:58 PM
Imagine the senior leagues had to wait this long, games start next week, let's get them out please
Can you play Minor this year DJ? ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 28, 2019, 09:09:49 AM
No cos there is only senior football in Down this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 28, 2019, 01:53:27 PM
Quote from: downjim on February 28, 2019, 09:09:49 AM
No cos there is only senior football in Down this year
Still U16 then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on February 28, 2019, 02:26:58 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2019, 01:53:27 PM
Quote from: downjim on February 28, 2019, 09:09:49 AM
No cos there is only senior football in Down this year
Still U16 then?


Don't be worrying about me, you just make sure your satnav is working for div 2 this year.
A bigger yo-yo club than West Brom
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 28, 2019, 03:51:46 PM
Quote from: downjim on February 28, 2019, 02:26:58 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2019, 01:53:27 PM
Quote from: downjim on February 28, 2019, 09:09:49 AM
No cos there is only senior football in Down this year
Still U16 then?


Don't be worrying about me, you just make sure your satnav is working for div 2 this year.
A bigger yo-yo club than West Brom
Indeed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on February 28, 2019, 07:55:36 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2019, 03:51:46 PM
Quote from: downjim on February 28, 2019, 02:26:58 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2019, 01:53:27 PM
Quote from: downjim on February 28, 2019, 09:09:49 AM
No cos there is only senior football in Down this year
Still U16 then?


Don't be worrying about me, you just make sure your satnav is working for div 2 this year.
A bigger yo-yo club than West Brom
Indeed.


Are West Brom Senior or Intermediate this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 01, 2019, 09:51:44 AM
West Brom will be playing more gaa than a lot of teams by the looks of things this year. A few clubs may just club together and organise underage games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on March 01, 2019, 09:30:32 PM
Frig me what is going on at Abbey these days?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 01, 2019, 09:56:51 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 01, 2019, 09:30:32 PM
Frig me what is going on at Abbey these days?
why, what happened
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on March 01, 2019, 10:20:15 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 01, 2019, 09:56:51 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 01, 2019, 09:30:32 PM
Frig me what is going on at Abbey these days?
why, what happened
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/make-sick-three-points-scored-u15-game-194801
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 01, 2019, 10:34:15 PM
When Donegal won the AI in 2012 , it was:

- maybe 25% because their defensive approach allowed them to protect slender leads.

- maybe 35% because because teams at that time had no idea how to play against their new system.

- but 40%+ because they'd 3 shithouse scoring machines playing up front, who never took a knock all season.

The reason they didn't win another one is the second two advantages got smaller.

Game is littered now with managers who've only read half the book and  can't see the wood for the trees.

Grow forwards. Win games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 01, 2019, 10:42:13 PM
Genuinely looking forward to Ballyhollands approach at senior level this year wobbler. Do they stick or twist and play with more forwards with these fantastic minors and risk the chance of getting relegated? I'm not for one second saying them young lads not up to it but may be a bit much to ask with all the retirements and the suspended few for the first couple of games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 02, 2019, 08:58:31 AM
Just on the abbey thing. Loughinisland have got themselves the biggest bluffer in Down Football. That is an already known fact before yesterday. Although he is not officially thaf manager of that under 15 team he is part of the set up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on March 02, 2019, 10:09:54 AM
'Biggest bluffer in down football'? How exactly? He brought cullyhanna to a senior championship final,their first if I'm not mistaken. Won a hogan with the abbey. Took Bredagh to two intermediate championships, and established them as a solid division two team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 02, 2019, 11:09:34 AM
I am really looking forward to seeing Loughinisland in the top flight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 02, 2019, 11:17:10 AM
Run out of longstone cullyhanna and Down. Bredagh were massive favourites ffs catch yourself on Jody. Many years have bredagh failed to reach the top flight again?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on March 02, 2019, 12:06:52 PM
Massive favourites?wise up,everything you've just said is bullshit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 02, 2019, 12:19:59 PM
Smurfy is not making much sense here. He condemns Jody Gormley for not getting Bredagh into D1 but he must know that the club's only previous short spell in the top league was some 40 years ago. He is completely wrong to claim that Bredagh were `massive favourites' in their two IFC wins under Gormley. Bredagh were actually huge outsiders against An Riocht in 2016, and available at 4/1 on the day, while the Liatroim final last year was always going to be the tight game it turned out to be. Keeping Loughinisland in D1 is not going to be easy but everyone who has worked with Gormley knows that he is a very accomplished coach
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 02, 2019, 02:10:11 PM
Tell that to anyone who has played MacRory at the Abbey for the last ten years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on March 02, 2019, 09:37:57 PM
Straightforward enough win for Down tonight in a tricky conditions. Offaly didn't really have any real threat from play and relied a lot on frees for their scores, particularly in the 1st half. Some very favourable decisions from the ref kept the game tight until the 1st goal. Always looked like  game where whoever got the 1st goal would push on and thankfully Quinn took his chance after Down missed a couple of earlier goal chances. Laverty at half back looks a real good player and links up play well as hes not afraid to get forward. Hes a bit like a more athletic O'Hanlon. Promotion looks almost secure now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 02, 2019, 10:18:02 PM
We were ordinary enough in the first half and two points looked a vulnerable lead with Offaly having a strong wind after the break. However, we improved steadily as the game progressed against admittedly limited opposition who relied heavily on generous frees from a fussy referee to keep in touch.

Our defence is capably organised with Wells settling in nicely at full back and Laverty an impressive newcomer at wing half while O'Hagan had another outstanding night and McKernan was a reassuring presence.

There is always likely to be a problem when we play two non-midfielders at midfield, although Flynn was a little unfortunate to be replaced so early, and we really need Donnelly back before long.

Ryan Johnston had one of those games where he kept beating men but only went sideways, while Jerome may have been fortunate to stay on when he got involved with an opponent right on the half time whistle

O'Hare was excellent again up front, where Guinness had his moments but really should have palmed in his first half chance. Quinn did not let a couple of misplaced passes worry him when he came on and finished clinically for both of his goals.

One more win should take us up, as well as earning a day out at Croke Park, which would have to go down as a very satisfactory debut league campaign for Tally.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 03, 2019, 12:25:01 AM
Best of luck to Clonduff in Croke Park on Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on March 03, 2019, 07:42:26 AM
Smurfy , as always your talking bull shite, it seems you have a bias against east down teams and loughinisland in particular, loughinisland were accused by some of being defensive last year , but if you look at the stats , yes they conceded fewer points than any other team in the division but they also scored more than any other team, I don't see the defensive side changing much but they have the talent to out score opponents, I watched your team last year and they were no different , they didn't go 15 on 15 , they targeted players and had their best defenders marking dangerous forwards and others dropping back , so don't sit behind your keyboard and talk crap about a manager who has achieved a lot in football, you obviously have never managed a senior team in your club, if yiu had you would be aware that Morden day managers set out their teams to win,MR Poucher showed that, I personally don't want my game to go ultra defensive , it doesn't have to be but I'm sure your no different than any other when your team wins especially against better opposition because your manager got it tactically right.This year we will see how the point go if your manager elects to go 15 on 15.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 03, 2019, 08:12:31 AM
No I never would have said Loughinisland were defensive ya clown. First time I've hesrd the current Loughinisland team being described as defensive. And it's CPN not the Point
Decent win for Down btw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on March 03, 2019, 09:07:54 AM
down minor football  ???

all county 15 aside
Kilcoo
mayobridge
RGU
Bryansford
Carryduff
Ballyholland
Clonduff
Burren

all county 13 aside (mourne)
Ballylough
Liatroim
Castlewellan
Dromara/Dundrum
Newry Shamrocks
Rostrevor

all county 13 aside (lecale)
Bright
Kilclief
St Kevins
St Patricks Saul
Loughinisland
St Pauls
Bredagh

no east down minor league, rest of teams are South Down A by looks of it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on March 03, 2019, 03:31:16 PM
Congrats to Clonduff Camogs on their All Ireland success today. There'll be a hell of a party in Hilltown tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on March 03, 2019, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 02, 2019, 10:18:02 PM
We were ordinary enough in the first half and two points looked a vulnerable lead with Offaly having a strong wind after the break. However, we improved steadily as the game progressed against admittedly limited opposition who relied heavily on generous frees from a fussy referee to keep in touch.

Our defence is capably organised with Wells settling in nicely at full back and Laverty an impressive newcomer at wing half while O'Hagan had another outstanding night and McKernan was a reassuring presence.

There is always likely to be a problem when we play two non-midfielders at midfield, although Flynn was a little unfortunate to be replaced so early, and we really need Donnelly back before long.

Ryan Johnston had one of those games where he kept beating men but only went sideways, while Jerome may have been fortunate to stay on when he got involved with an opponent right on the half time whistle

O'Hare was excellent again up front, where Guinness had his moments but really should have palmed in his first half chance. Quinn did not let a couple of misplaced passes worry him when he came on and finished clinically for both of his goals.

One more win should take us up, as well as earning a day out at Croke Park, which would have to go down as a very satisfactory debut league campaign for Tally.

All but one of Offaly's scores came from frees in the first half, you could argue that many of them were dubious, but it's something that needs to be addressed. Midfield is a worry, we rarely win primary possession, though we have started to do quite well with breaking ball, but with the introduction of the mark we really need one high fielder.  Mooney is better suited to either the half back or half forward line.
Carlow won't be a push over in their own back yard but I do expect us to beat Louth in the final game of the league. Hopefully we'll have done enough for a day out in Croke Park.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on March 03, 2019, 06:49:33 PM
Smurf it will always be the point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 03, 2019, 07:46:37 PM
It's CPN for this week, big F might rebrand next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 04, 2019, 09:53:38 AM
Quote from: Ambrose on March 03, 2019, 03:31:16 PM
Congrats to Clonduff Camogs on their All Ireland success today. There'll be a hell of a party in Hilltown tonight.

Were the better team throughout but the conditions looked shocking and led to a low scoring contest.

Well done them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 04, 2019, 11:29:58 AM
Anyone using the GAA App to register? That's assuming you are all paid up members of course
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 04, 2019, 11:52:07 AM
I see Burren thirds are rebranded clownjim. Are you to good to be known as a thirds team? Globetrotters maybe be a better name seeing as you have players from alll over Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on March 04, 2019, 12:22:31 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on March 03, 2019, 03:31:16 PM
Congrats to Clonduff Camogs on their All Ireland success today. There'll be a hell of a party in Hilltown tonight.

Brilliant achievement, Clonduff are an example to all clubs. History/tradition, Male , female, football , hurling, camogie , Scór, county support , years of county representatives on teams , management , county board. Core GAA values promoted throughout the club, and have found them always extremely welcoming and respectful to our own club whenever we played them. A very proud day for the club , a culmination of years of hard work and always trying to do things the right way. Comhghairdeas
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on March 04, 2019, 12:23:24 PM
I see the club formerly know as Warrenpoint had their dinner dance at the weekend. A great day for the parish with the senior team being presented with their bronze senior league medals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on March 04, 2019, 08:10:46 PM
That's a major achievement for THE POINT, best season in a long time, must have been a short ceremony handing out the medals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on March 05, 2019, 08:24:33 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on March 02, 2019, 02:10:11 PM
Tell that to anyone who has played MacRory at the Abbey for the last ten years.

Shocking that Jody still gets to take this team. Since hogan success has yet to pass the quarter final stage. This is a huge under achievement by the school and the one common denominator is Jody to be fair. Many of their teams have had success down the school and then Jody takes over and it doesn't go as well. Maybe someone else should get a go within the school???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 06, 2019, 05:26:03 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on March 05, 2019, 08:24:33 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on March 02, 2019, 02:10:11 PM
Tell that to anyone who has played MacRory at the Abbey for the last ten years.

Shocking that Jody still gets to take this team. Since hogan success has yet to pass the quarter final stage. This is a huge under achievement by the school and the one common denominator is Jody to be fair. Many of their teams have had success down the school and then Jody takes over and it doesn't go as well. Maybe someone else should get a go within the school???
What success has there been? My nephews go to the Abbey and I haven't heard of much silverware "down the School"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on March 07, 2019, 08:13:35 AM
Does any of your nephews play at the Abbey Sam? Whats their opinion of the style of Football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 07, 2019, 11:38:39 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on March 07, 2019, 08:13:35 AM
Does any of your nephews play at the Abbey Sam? Whats their opinion of the style of Football?
None of them play there.Not good enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on March 08, 2019, 12:22:53 AM
They won the dalton or cor na og a couple of years back beating maghera in the final. Think Jim McCartan took the team. Young lad McGovern from ballyholland was on the team. I also know they'd a lot of their teams coming up short in numerous finals and semi finals. Mcaleenans year group from the point was star studded from what I remember with all on Armagh or down county minor panel. Treanor from burren his team the year later was very similar with most on county minors. Maybe star studded is the wrong word but they all played county minor football so the ability was there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 08, 2019, 02:43:32 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on March 08, 2019, 12:22:53 AM
They won the dalton or cor na og a couple of years back beating maghera in the final. Think Jim McCartan took the team. Young lad McGovern from ballyholland was on the team. I also know they'd a lot of their teams coming up short in numerous finals and semi finals. Mcaleenans year group from the point was star studded from what I remember with all on Armagh or down county minor panel. Treanor from burren his team the year later was very similar with most on county minors. Maybe star studded is the wrong word but they all played county minor football so the ability was there.
yes-I get the point now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 10, 2019, 06:37:10 PM
I see Kilcoo are into the ulster league final with another easy win against Dromore. CPN had a great win yesterday sets us up well for the league. Called up to watch Clonduff and Dromintee in the MM tournament Jesus Armagh club football must be poor Clonduff hammered them. Interesting all County players playing for their clubs over the weekend crazy decision with 2 matches to go in the league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on March 11, 2019, 09:11:30 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 10, 2019, 06:37:10 PM
I see Kilcoo are into the ulster league final with another easy win against Dromore. CPN had a great win yesterday sets us up well for the league. Called up to watch Clonduff and Dromintee in the MM tournament Jesus Armagh club football must be poor Clonduff hammered them. Interesting all County players playing for their clubs over the weekend crazy decision with 2 matches to go in the league

Funny I heard they lost again, Glenn Wattys beat them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on March 11, 2019, 01:31:54 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 10, 2019, 06:37:10 PM
I see Kilcoo are into the ulster league final with another easy win against Dromore. CPN had a great win yesterday sets us up well for the league. Called up to watch Clonduff and Dromintee in the MM tournament Jesus Armagh club football must be poor Clonduff hammered them. Interesting all County players playing for their clubs over the weekend crazy decision with 2 matches to go in the league

why is letting County players play for their clubs in a free week Crazy??? There are set periods of time for County managers to hold players back from their clubs, middle of march isn't one of them. if it was a week before the Championship or league final then yes but mid national league NO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on March 11, 2019, 10:10:12 PM
Quote from: downjim on March 04, 2019, 12:23:24 PM
I see the club formerly know as Warrenpoint had their dinner dance at the weekend. A great day for the parish with the senior team being presented with their bronze senior league medals.

As a Burren man you are undoubtedly aware that teams in Burren have not always played under the St. Mary's name. Early teams in Burren included Corrags Clan na Gael, Wolfe Tones, Parnells and the Dreadnoughts. There was also a team known as the Hedge of Rats, maybe your family may have been represented on that particular team.

Your constant belittling of Warrenpoint/CPN is becoming a little tiresome to say the least. CPN are doing magnificent work at all levels and in both codes and this should be encouraged by anyone with an interest in GAA, wether they are from the locality or beyond. While we all enjoy local rivalry you just take things to a whole new level of fuckwhittery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 14, 2019, 12:37:56 PM
Looking forward to poacher v Down this weekend. Or I mean Carlow. Every paper you lift it's about poacher nobody else. Nothing to do with some great players Carlow have in Broderick and the murphys to name a few. They do not even get a mention. Has any number 2 in the history of the GAA got so many headlines?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 14, 2019, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 14, 2019, 12:37:56 PM
Looking forward to poacher v Down this weekend. Or I mean Carlow. Every paper you lift it's about poacher nobody else. Nothing to do with some great players Carlow have in Broderick and the murphys to name a few. They do not even get a mention. Has any number 2 in the history of the GAA got so many headlines?

Sherlock last year... Have to say it takes all the attention of the Carlow players, allows them to go into the game with no pressure on them. Smart tactic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on March 14, 2019, 12:58:23 PM
Has he been behaving himself on the line with Carlow or is he still at his usual antics?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 14, 2019, 12:58:52 PM
No pressure the pressure seems to be all on Carlow here as it's all anyone's talking about. Two pages in Irish news yesterday two pages today all about Carlow. Fancy Down by 3 it's going to be very toug though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on March 14, 2019, 09:15:10 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 14, 2019, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 14, 2019, 12:37:56 PM
Looking forward to poacher v Down this weekend. Or I mean Carlow. Every paper you lift it's about poacher nobody else. Nothing to do with some great players Carlow have in Broderick and the murphys to name a few. They do not even get a mention. Has any number 2 in the history of the GAA got so many headlines?

Sherlock last year... Have to say it takes all the attention of the Carlow players, allows them to go into the game with no pressure on them. Smart tactic.

Don't imagine that's the plan. It's always about him. Fecking narcissist. Last summer he had splash all over the papers withdrawing from the race for the Down job. Never in consideration!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 14, 2019, 10:28:01 PM
You'll enjoy Saturday's Irish News then!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on March 14, 2019, 10:54:46 PM
Quote from: Targetman on March 14, 2019, 10:28:01 PM
You'll enjoy Saturday's Irish News then!!

Can't wait
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on March 14, 2019, 11:56:45 PM
Quote from: Godsown on March 14, 2019, 09:15:10 PM
Don't imagine that's the plan. It's always about him. Fecking narcissist. Last summer he had splash all over the papers withdrawing from the race for the Down job. Never in consideration!

Never in consideration because he wouldn't have Sean og dictating how he'd have to do things the 'Down way'. Only room for one narcissist in Down GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 15, 2019, 10:06:13 AM
Quote from: Ambrose on March 14, 2019, 11:56:45 PM
Quote from: Godsown on March 14, 2019, 09:15:10 PM
Don't imagine that's the plan. It's always about him. Fecking narcissist. Last summer he had splash all over the papers withdrawing from the race for the Down job. Never in consideration!

Never in consideration because he wouldn't have Sean og dictating how he'd have to do things the 'Down way'. Only room for one narcissist in Down GAA.
Oh yes,blame Sean Og for SP being a prat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on March 16, 2019, 12:06:27 AM
I see kilcoo are ulster league champions. Can they end the year with an other ulster title? The one that has eluded them to date. They will be happy with that tonight.... long season ahead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on March 16, 2019, 09:14:07 AM
Quote from: Godsown on March 14, 2019, 10:54:46 PM
Quote from: Targetman on March 14, 2019, 10:28:01 PM
You'll enjoy Saturday's Irish News then!!

Can't wait

It's an excellent article and shows Poacher in a slightly different light than you'd expect. I'm sure most of us don't actually know the man, other than what we see for 70 minutes along the line. He's a very well respected coach, who just happens to be working with the opposition today, but behind it all, he's still a Down man, a passionate one at that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 16, 2019, 05:39:30 PM
Seems to have been quite a game in Carlow. Our winning point came in the fourth minute of injury time and, according to the KCLR coverage, Poacher went for the referee at the final whistle. The commentators were frequently confused about what was happening but we appear to have had two red cards for second yellows in the closing stages. KCLR had no clue who went off.

The postponement of Laois v Westmeath complicates everything, and gaa.ie has suggested that it will not be played `this weekend'. Monday may be an option but, if that does not happen,  a decision will have to be taken on staging the final round of league fixtures next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 16, 2019, 11:20:34 PM
Is that 3 of our 5 wins with injury time winners. We could be very easily sitting on 4 pts. But lads have done well to always be in a position to win the games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 17, 2019, 07:03:38 AM
Strange match. How Down found themselves in a draw game with time almost up is mad. Down dominated the match from start to finish and missed 4 goal chances. The referee give Carlow some really easy frees. Carlow kicked all but 2 score from free kicks. Good to get a win but that's a poor Carlow team who lacked any fitness. Heavy suspensions to follow for Carlow after what happened at the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 17, 2019, 10:44:58 AM
Caolan Mooney was excellent yesterday. Such quick hands, McKernan and ohagan very good too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 23, 2019, 02:46:09 PM
Decent team named for tomorrow, with some strength in depth developing on the bench. It's also good to see Donnelly and Mallon back in the match day squad to give us options around the middle. The only negative element is the uncertainty over the final table because of the postponed game between Louth and Westmeath, who should pretty obviously have been instructed to reschedule the fixture for last Wednesday at the latest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 23, 2019, 06:19:07 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 23, 2019, 02:46:09 PM
Decent team named for tomorrow, with some strength in depth developing on the bench. It's also good to see Donnelly and Mallon back in the match day squad to give us options around the middle. The only negative element is the uncertainty over the final table because of the postponed game between Louth and Westmeath, who should pretty obviously have been instructed to reschedule the fixture for last Wednesday at the latest.
Win tomorrow and we are promoted . No need to worry about anyone else.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 23, 2019, 08:07:43 PM
Hearing Attical beat Ballyholland by 10 points in Thursday night. Say what you want about him but Poacher done one hell of a job for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 24, 2019, 03:46:11 PM
Need Westmeath and Louth to draw next week to get out of Div 3... how far Down have fallen. Div 3 2020 it is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 24, 2019, 03:53:32 PM
Surely a draw would send Westmeath up?

Can't use head to heads in a 3-way tie, I wouldn't think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on March 24, 2019, 03:54:50 PM
No head to heads in a 3 way tie. Points difference will decide it. A draw for westmeath next week and we stay in Division 3. A win for either Westmeatb or Louth and we stay in Division 3.We cannot be promoted now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on March 24, 2019, 03:58:47 PM
Was looking at the as it stands table from half time! You're all correct
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 24, 2019, 05:28:10 PM
Absolutely awful stuff from Down today,  dont deserve to go to Div2  with a performance like that. A real kick in the teeth after 5 wins on the spin and very poor performance in last meaningful game before championship. Tally had improved them in certain area's no doubt, but very worrying after 7 games and McKenna cup if thats the plan for kickouts and the mf pairing. Hard to name the 15 to start against Armagh in May.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 24, 2019, 05:41:00 PM
Today's first half was our most disappointing performance for a very long time, and, although we improved in the final quarter, the damage had been done and we managed to miss out on a promotion which was practically in our grasp.

We were uncertain from the start, with experienced figures like McKernan and Mooney making a series of unforced errors. Mooney did get a fine point which arguably should have been a goal but neither he nor Flynn are really midfielders and the opposition pairing took us apart. Our kick-out strategy was baffling, putting the ball constantly in an area which we could not gain possession, but the keeper could only have been acting on instructions.

The spine of the team was a huge problem, with Wells and Flanagan both exposed at the back before getting taken off and Poland not making an impact at centre forward.

Darren O'Hagan was our best player as usual, and nearly pulled us over the line singlehandedly, while a little more composure from our forwards in the closing stages could easily have got us the draw.

Very few of our substitutions worked and it was surprising not to see Maginn used at any stage on a day when we were crying out for a cool head on the ball.

Next year's D3 appears significantly tougher, with Cork, Tipperary and Derry all in the picture, so we could be regretting today's result for a very long time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 24, 2019, 05:50:51 PM
That was awful today, we don't deserve to be in Div 2 if we can't beat Louth at home, I can't take any positives from that performance apart from maybe Darren O' Hagen, getting cleaned out in midfield yet again but do we make any changes in that area, no sure leave Donnelly and Mallon on the bench and take a few forwards off!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 24, 2019, 05:54:02 PM
Awful stuff today. The goalkeepers kickouts are baffling. Flanagan and McAleenan not up to it as count defenders and midfield is a major problem. No vocal point in the forward line where was Poland playing? Very disappointed performance from so many established players. J Johnstone can not take a man on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 24, 2019, 05:55:46 PM
Agree why was Donnelly not put in for Flynn in the middle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 24, 2019, 06:24:22 PM
This juvenile kick out strategy has been the same since the start of the Mc Kenna Cup. Surely we have the players and the management to have other options on restarts. It's either ignorance or arrogance to continue with this and not have other options when it clearly doesn't work against physically bigger teams. Some of our performances today were just awful and we lacked leaders, apart from Darren O'Hagan, for long periods of the game. If you were picking a team from today for Armagh how many from today would start? We have alot of work to do but at the minute I really fear for the Armagh game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 24, 2019, 06:27:02 PM
Donnelly is not the finished product as a county midfielder but he has improved steadily in recent seasons and we are clearly going to need him in the championship. He has missed the entire league through injury but it was hard to understand why he was fit enough for the bench today but not used in the final quarter.

While Tally deserves full credit for putting together a run of five consecutive wins, realistically the only opposition we dominated was a limited Offaly. Three of the games were won in injury time, and today could have been a fourth, but you cannot go on hoping to snatch results at the death. Our squad lacks depth and there are probably at least half a dozen positions up for grabs against Armagh.

Another factor is our form in Newry, where we have lost more matches than we have won over the last four or five seasons. Promotion today would have given us  a big lift but instead our confidence going into the championship may be fragile.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 24, 2019, 06:29:30 PM
How much are Down wasting on paying Tally. It's obviously clear we dont have the players or they don't want to play for us. Looking at the games Down have played they were lucky to be in top spot b4 today. Last gasp winners against the 2 relegated  teams. As well as Westmeath . We dont deserve to go up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on March 24, 2019, 06:31:52 PM
If I were to have a stab at the starting 15 for Armagh id go with this;

Reid (Burns has done ok in nets but dont fancy a club midfielder doing nets for the county)
O'Hagan
Wells
Collins
Laverty
Flanagan
Guinness

Donnelly
McKernan

Mooney
Maginn
R Johnston
O'Hare
Harrison
J Johnston

Probably completely left field to what Tally will pick tbh. Anyone know whats happened to the Loughinisland players on the panel, thought both McClements done well in McKenna cup yet no sign of them on the league panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on March 24, 2019, 07:35:17 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 24, 2019, 05:55:46 PM
Agree why was Donnelly not put in for Flynn in the middle

He's not 100% fit yet.

Cleaned out in the middle of the park yet again, this time by a player from the Westerns, who play in the lowest division in county Louth, but we didn't even try to change the kick out strategy until mid way through the second half. I may just stick pins in my eyes instead of watching the Armagh game.

Two positives from today's games, we won't have to pay those inflated prices into Div2 games next year and Sean og is overseeing this shitshow on 50 grand a year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 24, 2019, 07:36:42 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on March 24, 2019, 06:31:52 PM
If I were to have a stab at the starting 15 for Armagh id go with this;

Reid (Burns has done ok in nets but dont fancy a club midfielder doing nets for the county)
O'Hagan
Wells
Collins
Laverty
Flanagan
Guinness

Donnelly
McKernan

Mooney
Maginn
R Johnston
O'Hare
Harrison
J Johnston

Probably completely left field to what Tally will pick tbh. Anyone know whats happened to the Loughinisland players on the panel, thought both McClements done well in McKenna cup yet no sign of them on the league panel

Nanderson, what would the basis for picking some of these individuals to play against Armagh, past/current performances or potential? O Hagan is the only one I would agree with in defence but you're putting a man who got 1.1 from WHB in the corner, when he is one of the best attacking players we have. All Mc Kernan can do is sweep, he's not a midfielder and doesn't like marking. Mooney and R Johnston could blow teams away on their own but are inconsistent, this current system doesn't suit Maginn and Harrison, O'Hare is still a top forward, J Johnston shouldn't even be starting for Kilcoo never mind Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on March 24, 2019, 07:55:39 PM
I'd genuine optimism with the appointment of Tally but my goodness that has long gone! His tactics are baffling. Playing with strong wind in first half he played 1 forward up and didn't push up on Louth kick out. Went a little more attacking for last 15 mins of the game and nearly snatched a draw which would have been harsh on Louth. I agree in that if you can't beat Louth at home you don't deserve to be in Div 2. Players can shoulder a little blame but management and tactics or lack of is the reason down will be in Div 3 next year. Massive changes needed or Armagh will definitely dump us out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on March 24, 2019, 07:56:08 PM
Quote from: Lotto on March 24, 2019, 07:36:42 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on March 24, 2019, 06:31:52 PM
If I were to have a stab at the starting 15 for Armagh id go with this;

Reid (Burns has done ok in nets but dont fancy a club midfielder doing nets for the county)
O'Hagan
Wells
Collins
Laverty
Flanagan
Guinness

Donnelly
McKernan

Mooney
Maginn
R Johnston
O'Hare
Harrison
J Johnston

Probably completely left field to what Tally will pick tbh. Anyone know whats happened to the Loughinisland players on the panel, thought both McClements done well in McKenna cup yet no sign of them on the league panel

Nanderson, what would the basis for picking some of these individuals to play against Armagh, past/current performances or potential? O Hagan is the only one I would agree with in defence but you're putting a man who got 1.1 from WHB in the corner, when he is one of the best attacking players we have. All Mc Kernan can do is sweep, he's not a midfielder and doesn't like marking. Mooney and R Johnston could blow teams away on their own but are inconsistent, this current system doesn't suit Maginn and Harrison, O'Hare is still a top forward, J Johnston shouldn't even be starting for Kilcoo never mind Down.
O'Hagan will be in the corner picking up Clarke like he always has done when the 2 teams meet as hes our best man marker. McKernans achilles heel is that he is so well versatile that he doesn't have a 'natural' position. And with Down not having any real good midfielders he will naturally fill the gap like he always has done. J Johnston is a player who on his day can be unmarkable, unfortunalty those days are few and far between. But i feel hes a better option than O'Hagan who suffers this problem as well. Who knows maybe the 1st few games of the club season might unearth another top forward,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 24, 2019, 08:01:37 PM
I take your point about unearthing new forwards. It's some step up from club to county football and we should have looked at other options in the league. They have alot to do and this sideways football is not what we are used to. If it beats Armagh, I'll take it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on March 24, 2019, 08:04:26 PM
Pity mooney didn't bury that goal chance in first half. Louth hit a good few wides in first half too and defended very well getting bodies back and closing down space. I fear Armagh will destroy us. Div 3 is our level just  yet unfortunately
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on March 24, 2019, 09:27:26 PM
A lot of very well informed posts here, expressing exactly what I am thinking atm. Can't disagree on any made about today. Problem is, if we can see it, why can't management?

A few areas that were awful were the kickouts and when has any gaelic defender ever been told to mark a man starting behind him?
Also, on one Louth attack which ended in a score, I counted 18 passes and not a tackle or shoulder put in.
This is basic stuff that I shout at u16s for not doing.
Another very valid point made was home form.
A very depressing afternoon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CornUladh02 on March 24, 2019, 09:44:12 PM
Alot of credit for louths victory today would have to go to former Down assistant Cathal Murray. Louth tactically superior today and didn't give Down any frees on which they have been heavily reliant.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on March 24, 2019, 09:46:03 PM
Unbelievable that we continued to persist with the long kickout to the same area for over 50 mins when it was clear that we were getting cleaned at midfield.
Set up too defensively with the wind which made it easy for Louth in the first half and let them find their way into the game.
Apart from that it wouldn't matter who was in charge we just dont have the players to compete at a higher level and unfortunately Division 3 is our level at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 24, 2019, 09:48:50 PM
Everyone behind the ball apart from 1 player when we had a string breeze doesn't make sense. The defensive coach must have a handy time at training as we play with 14 behind the ball a lot of the time. I would hate to be a forward on that team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 24, 2019, 09:56:15 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on March 24, 2019, 07:35:17 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 24, 2019, 05:55:46 PM
Agree why was Donnelly not put in for Flynn in the middle

He's not 100% fit yet.

Cleaned out in the middle of the park yet again, this time by a player from the Westerns, who play in the lowest division in county Louth, but we didn't even try to change the kick out strategy until mid way through the second half. I may just stick pins in my eyes instead of watching the Armagh game.

Two positives from today's games, we won't have to pay those inflated prices into Div2 games next year and Sean og is overseeing this shitshow on 50 grand a year.

After today there is another man on much more than 50 grand overseeing a much bigger shit show on the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CornUladh02 on March 24, 2019, 10:00:01 PM
Quote from: Lotto on March 24, 2019, 09:56:15 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on March 24, 2019, 07:35:17 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 24, 2019, 05:55:46 PM
Agree why was Donnelly not put in for Flynn in the middle

He's not 100% fit yet.

Cleaned out in the middle of the park yet again, this time by a player from the Westerns, who play in the lowest division in county Louth, but we didn't even try to change the kick out strategy until mid way through the second half. I may just stick pins in my eyes instead of watching the Armagh game.

Two positives from today's games, we won't have to pay those inflated prices into Div2 games next year and Sean og is overseeing this shitshow on 50 grand a year.

After today there is another man on much more than 50 grand overseeing a much bigger shit show on the field.

Can't see where the county secretary comes into louths first victory in newry for a long long time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on March 24, 2019, 10:04:21 PM
Agree with Smurfy. 14 (possibly 15) in own half when we had strong wind in first half WTF ??. Maybe wouldn't have mattered because our shooting was atrocious. End story BEST TEAM WON
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on March 24, 2019, 10:10:26 PM
Playing McKernan as an orthodox corner back was plainly a mistake that should have been rectified but wasn't. The settled full back line of Wells, Collins & MaAleenan with McKernan as sweeper would have been a much better option. As others have stated, the absence of a functioning kickout strategy & effective Midfield is baffling. Louth ghosted through our halfback line far too easily in the first half & had they been decent finishers would have notched up another 5 or 6 points. Paul Devlin should have come on in the first half to kick long range points when we had the wind advantage. Lot of managerial mistakes today. Defeat snatched from the jaws of success but the players lacked urgency & creativity & must take some blame - with the notable exception of Darren O'Hagan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 24, 2019, 10:12:44 PM
If all else fails blame Sean Og, the blame lies with the management who pick the team and issue the instructions, and the players who are not up to playing at a higher level ffs at one point 2 Down players ran into each other!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 24, 2019, 10:15:41 PM
Down managers have been overseeing poor kickout strategies since mccartan couldn't see what was happening in the 2010 all Ireland final. With the mark is there really no good tall men in the 4 divisions of  club football who can catch a high ball. Sickening year after year with Down. Soul destroying to see the same mistakes and lack of plannimg year on year and nothing ever done to improve it
Div 3 could be our.level for a few years. Armagh have nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on March 24, 2019, 10:37:48 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 24, 2019, 10:15:41 PM
Down managers have been overseeing poor kickout strategies since mccartan couldn't see what was happening in the 2010 all Ireland final. With the mark is there really no good tall men in the 4 divisions of  club football who can catch a high ball. Sickening year after year with Down. Soul destroying to see the same mistakes and lack of plannimg year on year and nothing ever done to improve it
Div 3 could be our.level for a few years. Armagh have nothing to worry about.
Nail on head
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on March 24, 2019, 11:28:04 PM
Imo it is all down to management, and not player ability.
Especially when it is something like a kick out strategy.
One story that stuck with me - my uncle won a McRory cup under Gerry Browne's management in the fifties. He told me that Browne had a tactic that for every sideline ball that the Abbey won in the opponents half, that the end result was a player in position to take a scoreable point. And 99% of the time they scored.
If there is a manager getting paid to manage a team, surely a kick out strategy isn't too much to ask.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: saulzer on March 25, 2019, 12:21:47 AM
Peter Turley was dropped too readily. He would have been great for winning kickouts for a half in the league. The prize this year was promotion to Division 2, we're not going to win Ulster. Today's game had huge significance. We weren't set up right for it & decision making on the line was poor. Massively disappointing as we really could have been a decent Division 2 team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 25, 2019, 07:00:56 AM
The only player Ive seen this league campaign to take any high catches was Owen McCabe from Carryduff and he only played for 10mins. Surely he was worth more game time? I think Donnelly bar his injury would have been playing no.8 just finding a partner for him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on March 25, 2019, 07:39:15 AM
Read all these posts, lot of doom and gloom, lot of work required and a lot of patience required. I'm no different from all who post on this forum in wanting Down back at top table, our neighbours Armagh had been in Div3 for 3 yrs , Derry dropped to Div4, whilst these facts should not be used as excuses for our demise both these counties are on their way back up due to a lot of work at under age level and this work gradually developing genuine talent. I believe we are on this journey , we will bounce back , we have talent coming through the age groups and we are going to be in a good place within a few years so patience is required. Paddy Tally is working with a limited squad , I would love to see the fear of defeat thrown aside and go 15 on 15 , if not leave 3-4 forwards up beyond the opposition 45 but we need a good defence to do that and a decent midfield who can either pick a pass or carry the ball quickly out of defence.Kick out strategies are exactly that - strategies and we need more than one because we are sadly lacking in that area , Mooney is a natural forward , Flynn a half back , so to pillar them on this forum is unfair, these guys give up 5 out of 7 nights for their county and I include us in county, so go easy lads when critising players , we all get frustrated but let's get behind this group of players for Armagh game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 25, 2019, 07:58:10 AM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on March 24, 2019, 11:28:04 PM
Imo it is all down to management, and not player ability.
Especially when it is something like a kick out strategy.
One story that stuck with me - my uncle won a McRory cup under Gerry Browne's management in the fifties. He told me that Browne had a tactic that for every sideline ball that the Abbey won in the opponents half, that the end result was a player in position to take a scoreable point. And 99% of the time they scored.
If there is a manager getting paid to manage a team, surely a kick out strategy isn't too much to ask.

All I'm getting from this is that your uncle greatly exaggerates the ability of players from his youth, and that you're daft enough to believe him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 25, 2019, 01:24:16 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on March 25, 2019, 07:39:15 AM
Read all these posts, lot of doom and gloom, lot of work required and a lot of patience required. I'm no different from all who post on this forum in wanting Down back at top table, our neighbours Armagh had been in Div3 for 3 yrs , Derry dropped to Div4, whilst these facts should not be used as excuses for our demise both these counties are on their way back up due to a lot of work at under age level and this work gradually developing genuine talent. I believe we are on this journey , we will bounce back , we have talent coming through the age groups and we are going to be in a good place within a few years so patience is required. Paddy Tally is working with a limited squad , I would love to see the fear of defeat thrown aside and go 15 on 15 , if not leave 3-4 forwards up beyond the opposition 45 but we need a good defence to do that and a decent midfield who can either pick a pass or carry the ball quickly out of defence.Kick out strategies are exactly that - strategies and we need more than one because we are sadly lacking in that area , Mooney is a natural forward , Flynn a half back , so to pillar them on this forum is unfair, these guys give up 5 out of 7 nights for their county and I include us in county, so go easy lads when critising players , we all get frustrated but let's get behind this group of players for Armagh game.
Patience is required, we haven't won an Ulster title since 1994, I think we've been more than patient!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on March 25, 2019, 06:10:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 25, 2019, 07:58:10 AM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on March 24, 2019, 11:28:04 PM
Imo it is all down to management, and not player ability.
Especially when it is something like a kick out strategy.
One story that stuck with me - my uncle won a McRory cup under Gerry Browne's management in the fifties. He told me that Browne had a tactic that for every sideline ball that the Abbey won in the opponents half, that the end result was a player in position to take a scoreable point. And 99% of the time they scored.
If there is a manager getting paid to manage a team, surely a kick out strategy isn't too much to ask.

All I'm getting from this is that your uncle greatly exaggerates the ability of players from his youth, and that you're daft enough to believe him.

Yeah I know, an ulster schools cup winning side completing a set play devised by a future All Ireland senior winning manager.
Mad stuff altogether.
Kevin O'Neill must be daft as well:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/down-teams-dont-always-win-but-they-always-believe-they-can-win-26682053.html

'ON the old Dublin Road in Newry, on a hill overlooking Páirc Esler, lives Kevin O'Neill, wing-back on the 1960 team and brother of the celebrated attacker Seán. He attributes much of Down's style to the coaching input of Gerry Brown in the local CBS, the Abbey, in the 1950s, which he attended. He sees the style Brown cultivated and Down's brand as virtually indistinguishable.

"Brown was the first real coach that I encountered in football and he used to break the game down into different facets. I remember him having a team, an under 14 team, my brother Seán played on it in the Abbey, and it was the nearest thing to a machine you ever saw. He would show them how to make decoy runs, go through routines. Some of the scores they ran up in their games were staggering. Goals all over the place.'

Q.E.D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downman1996 on March 25, 2019, 08:36:50 PM
A lot of people here saying about downs poor or lack of a kick out strategy.. would just like to point out down haven't had a quality midfielder since Ambrose & Big Dan, personally think this is a major flaw in downs game which from seeing a lot of club football I can't really see where the next quality midfielder is coming from!! Also a real star in the forward line is missing too, Ohare our closest thing but is too inconsistent & gets bullied by the big boys!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 25, 2019, 11:41:01 PM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on March 25, 2019, 06:10:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 25, 2019, 07:58:10 AM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on March 24, 2019, 11:28:04 PM
Imo it is all down to management, and not player ability.
Especially when it is something like a kick out strategy.
One story that stuck with me - my uncle won a McRory cup under Gerry Browne's management in the fifties. He told me that Browne had a tactic that for every sideline ball that the Abbey won in the opponents half, that the end result was a player in position to take a scoreable point. And 99% of the time they scored.
If there is a manager getting paid to manage a team, surely a kick out strategy isn't too much to ask.

All I'm getting from this is that your uncle greatly exaggerates the ability of players from his youth, and that you're daft enough to believe him.

Yeah I know, an ulster schools cup winning side completing a set play devised by a future All Ireland senior winning manager.
Mad stuff altogether.
Kevin O'Neill must be daft as well:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/down-teams-dont-always-win-but-they-always-believe-they-can-win-26682053.html

'ON the old Dublin Road in Newry, on a hill overlooking Páirc Esler, lives Kevin O'Neill, wing-back on the 1960 team and brother of the celebrated attacker Seán. He attributes much of Down's style to the coaching input of Gerry Brown in the local CBS, the Abbey, in the 1950s, which he attended. He sees the style Brown cultivated and Down's brand as virtually indistinguishable.

"Brown was the first real coach that I encountered in football and he used to break the game down into different facets. I remember him having a team, an under 14 team, my brother Seán played on it in the Abbey, and it was the nearest thing to a machine you ever saw. He would show them how to make decoy runs, go through routines. Some of the scores they ran up in their games were staggering. Goals all over the place.'

Q.E.D

I missed the bit where Abbey dominated colleges football for years.

You keep missing the bit where it's easy to have tactics when your opponents don't have any.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on March 26, 2019, 12:17:32 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 25, 2019, 07:00:56 AM
The only player Ive seen this league campaign to take any high catches was Owen McCabe from Carryduff and he only played for 10mins. Surely he was worth more game time? I think Donnelly bar his injury would have been playing no.8 just finding a partner for him.
Great prospect from my club,  I'd give him a while to settle but he will be a star in the years to come. Probably won't come through this year but I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 26, 2019, 02:42:59 PM
 I see an unnamed Carlow Selector (but apparently has previous form ;D) was involved in nasty behaviour after their defeat to Laois on Sunday.
Maybe Croke Park can do what Down failed to do over the years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 27, 2019, 11:21:07 AM
Put manners on him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 27, 2019, 07:33:40 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 26, 2019, 02:42:59 PM
I see an unnamed Carlow Selector (but apparently has previous form ;D) was involved in nasty behaviour after their defeat to Laois on Sunday.
Maybe Croke Park can do what Down failed to do over the years.

That's an all time low, even for this individual. It was all over here http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28867.405 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28867.405) on Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on March 28, 2019, 11:05:03 AM
Quote from: Lotto on March 27, 2019, 07:33:40 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 26, 2019, 02:42:59 PM
I see an unnamed Carlow Selector (but apparently has previous form ;D) was involved in nasty behaviour after their defeat to Laois on Sunday.
Maybe Croke Park can do what Down failed to do over the years.

That's an all time low, even for this individual. It was all over here http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28867.405 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28867.405) on Sunday

All very hard to believe as this man was beattified only 2 weeks ago in the Irish News
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 28, 2019, 05:49:32 PM
Leave him alone.
Man's saving lives.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 30, 2019, 05:42:40 PM
Congrats to St Colmans on winning an u16 All Ireland title today. Paul McGirr cup. Won by a point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2019, 10:15:45 AM
League fixtures this week in division 1

Rostrevor v CPN CPN by 4 or 5 think Rostrevor May struggle this year
Castlewellan v BFORD Tight game to call going to go with ford by 2
BHolland v MBridge Bridge to win handy enough Harps May struggle this year bridge by 8
Clonduff v Kilcoo Clonduff always put it upto the magpies but magpies by 4
Downp v Lisland Home advantage to get the hoops of to a good start. Hoops by 3

I see Brolly calling out Poacher again in the Indo about his negative approach to football. Wonder will the public catch on? How many trophies has he won in 25 years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 01, 2019, 04:21:37 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2019, 10:15:45 AM
League fixtures this week in division 1

Rostrevor v CPN CPN by 4 or 5 think Rostrevor May struggle this year
Castlewellan v BFORD Tight game to call going to go with ford by 2
BHolland v MBridge Bridge to win handy enough Harps May struggle this year bridge by 8
Clonduff v Kilcoo Clonduff always put it upto the magpies but magpies by 4
Downp v Lisland Home advantage to get the hoops of to a good start. Hoops by 3

I see Brolly calling out Poacher again in the Indo about his negative approach to football. Wonder will the public catch on? How many trophies has he won in 25 years
It's not the public that needed to catch on.It's the Clubs that have employed him over the years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on April 01, 2019, 08:00:04 PM
Think Warrenpoint may find Rostrevor too good, Rostrevor by 2, Bridge by 5, Clonduff - draw, Castlewellan- another draw and island by 4, great to see the football back , interesting to see how the league goes, few surprises ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on April 01, 2019, 08:12:54 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 01, 2019, 04:21:37 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2019, 10:15:45 AM
League fixtures this week in division 1

Rostrevor v CPN CPN by 4 or 5 think Rostrevor May struggle this year
Castlewellan v BFORD Tight game to call going to go with ford by 2
BHolland v MBridge Bridge to win handy enough Harps May struggle this year bridge by 8
Clonduff v Kilcoo Clonduff always put it upto the magpies but magpies by 4
Downp v Lisland Home advantage to get the hoops of to a good start. Hoops by 3

I see Brolly calling out Poacher again in the Indo about his negative approach to football. Wonder will the public catch on? How many trophies has he won in 25 years
It's not the public that needed to catch on.It's the Clubs that have employed him over the years.
He kept Ballyholland in div 1 for about 5 years which is good going based on Ballyholland history. Maybe he took them as far as he could and it time for a new voice but I don't understand why so many feel the need to keep having a pop at him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on April 03, 2019, 02:20:06 PM
Always hard to assess form at this time of year; new managers, many team changes since the autumn, and Kilcoo + Burren tend to start slowly with their eyes on the bigger prize. It will be more competitive this year; Loughinisland are a tougher challenge than Saval + An Riocht. Perhaps Ballyholland for relegation, the other is anyone's guess
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 04, 2019, 08:16:08 PM
Rostrevor beat CPN 0.09 to 0.06 in the opening round of Div1

by the pic rostrevor posted on their social - pitch looks fecked already
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on April 04, 2019, 08:24:50 PM
Smurf , I got my prediction wrong , Warrenpoint beat by 3 points not two, are Warrenpoint not in the top four as you have maintained, long season for Warrenpoint I think, what happened tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 04, 2019, 08:43:35 PM
Better team won. Conditions were very poor and when Rostrevor went ahead they packed a lot of men behind the ball. If Mooney has of taken that goal chance after half time it could have been more. Few of our lads only back tonight so they will get better but fair play to the reds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on April 04, 2019, 09:34:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 04, 2019, 08:43:35 PM
Better team won. Conditions were very poor and when Rostrevor went ahead they packed a lot of men behind the ball. If Mooney has of taken that goal chance after half time it could have been more. Few of our lads only back tonight so they will get better but fair play to the reds.
Agree. Best team won. Sh*t conditions for both teams. Referee made some dubious decisions against both teams especially for supposed over carrying. Point missing a few Boyle and Grant for example. Well done rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 04, 2019, 09:39:13 PM
Boyle wasn't allowed to play as Newry have a match tomorrow night. Anyone know was Rushe playing for Ballyholland tonight? He also plays for Newry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on April 04, 2019, 09:53:56 PM
Rostrevor were the better team tonight. Just a pity the pitch and weather limited any chance of decent football being played. Thought Rostrevor looked fitter as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 05, 2019, 07:53:45 AM
No complaints about last night better team win. Downjim is very quiet. No word of the 20 point hammering Burren suffered against Crossmaglen? That championship win going to some heads already from what I hear. At least Kilcoo always stayed grounded
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 06, 2019, 01:49:24 PM
Does anyone else have problems getting on to the county website? Just seems to load for ages and can't load competitions to get results. Why in 2019 do we have a crap website platform?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 06, 2019, 02:07:22 PM
The website seems to have had technical problems for some time but it is pretty poor that the service has actually got worse for the start of our all county leagues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 06, 2019, 03:01:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on April 06, 2019, 02:07:22 PM
The website seems to have had technical problems for some time but it is pretty poor that the service has actually got worse for the start of our all county leagues.
......and our main Sponsor is an IT Company.Surely they could advise(if asked)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 06, 2019, 07:09:27 PM
Great to have the leagues started again. No big shocks and everyone still believes it could be their year. A good distraction from our county team spending another year in Division 3. Reading the preview of the Division 3 final today it was a harsh reminder that in 2016 and 2017 Down lost more games than any other team in the country. Then we were relegated to Division 3 in 2018. Brutal again. Then we can't get out of the third division in 2019. Let's hope that the thought of Armagh gets players and management focused.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 07, 2019, 08:25:54 PM
I wonder will today's abandoned minor league match teams be given the same punishment that last years Senior teams got. Interesting to see what way it is dealt with
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 07, 2019, 10:09:07 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 07, 2019, 08:25:54 PM
I wonder will today's abandoned minor league match teams be given the same punishment that last years Senior teams got. Interesting to see what way it is dealt with

Heard it was abandoned..How bad was it??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on April 08, 2019, 08:06:05 AM
Who were the teams involved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 08, 2019, 08:11:07 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on April 08, 2019, 08:06:05 AM
Who were the teams involved

Burren v Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on April 08, 2019, 12:30:02 PM
If the country board wants to cut out this behaviour from a young age, severe punishment should be enforced. Make an example of one of the two biggest clubs in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on April 08, 2019, 03:25:20 PM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on April 08, 2019, 12:30:02 PM
If the country board wants to cut out this behaviour from a young age, severe punishment should be enforced. Make an example of one of the two biggest clubs in Down.

Why one of them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 08, 2019, 04:45:13 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on April 08, 2019, 08:11:07 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on April 08, 2019, 08:06:05 AM
Who were the teams involved

Burren v Kilcoo
Was it abandoned or cancelled?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on April 08, 2019, 05:50:47 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 08, 2019, 04:45:13 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on April 08, 2019, 08:11:07 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on April 08, 2019, 08:06:05 AM
Who were the teams involved

Burren v Kilcoo
Was it abandoned or cancelled?

Abandoned.

Incident after a tackle lead to several players scuffling - few punches thrown - then all players converged on the scuffle.

Lots of pushing etc. the coaches and players pulling the players involved apart.

Ref blew his whistle persistently then left field apparently saying he wasn't continuing the match with that behaviour.

Order restored after a couple of minutes - coaches asked ref to continue game but he'd had enough.

As compared to senior incident last year - nowhere near as bad - all on field - but still shouldn't happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on April 08, 2019, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on April 08, 2019, 05:50:47 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 08, 2019, 04:45:13 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on April 08, 2019, 08:11:07 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on April 08, 2019, 08:06:05 AM
Who were the teams involved

Burren v Kilcoo
Was it abandoned or cancelled?

Abandoned.

Incident after a tackle lead to several players scuffling - few punches thrown - then all players converged on the scuffle.

Lots of pushing etc. the coaches and players pulling the players involved apart.

Ref blew his whistle persistently then left field apparently saying he wasn't continuing the match with that behaviour.

Order restored after a couple of minutes - coaches asked ref to continue game but he'd had enough.

As compared to senior incident last year - nowhere near as bad - all on field - but still shouldn't happen.
I was at this game and agree with you.
I would add I witnessed an adult from Burren throwing a couple of kilcoo players to the ground. These are Still juveniles playing.  He must have missed the child protection course
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 09, 2019, 06:17:46 PM
 Dearie Me   ..... https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0409/1041652-lengthy-bans-for-trio-cast-shadow-over-carlow-summer/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on April 09, 2019, 09:51:31 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on April 08, 2019, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on April 08, 2019, 05:50:47 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 08, 2019, 04:45:13 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on April 08, 2019, 08:11:07 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on April 08, 2019, 08:06:05 AM
Who were the teams involved

Burren v Kilcoo
Was it abandoned or cancelled?

Abandoned.

Incident after a tackle lead to several players scuffling - few punches thrown - then all players converged on the scuffle.

Lots of pushing etc. the coaches and players pulling the players involved apart.

Ref blew his whistle persistently then left field apparently saying he wasn't continuing the match with that behaviour.

Order restored after a couple of minutes - coaches asked ref to continue game but he'd had enough.

As compared to senior incident last year - nowhere near as bad - all on field - but still shouldn't happen.
I was at this game and agree with you.
I would add I witnessed an adult from Burren throwing a couple of kilcoo players to the ground. These are Still juveniles playing.  He must have missed the child protection course

Well Downjim nothing to say. To quote you from couple of years back "Hefty suspensions should lie ahead"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: seafoid on April 10, 2019, 08:55:00 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-down-v-meath-1991-getting-to-the-heart-of-modern-football-1.3855100

Seán Moran: Down v Meath 1991 - getting to the heart of modern football

Players commemorate famous All-Ireland 28 years on but with an eye on their health

They gathered in the shadow of the ground, which had changed beyond recognition from the time when their paths crossed most famously.

There was a bundle of reasons why the Down and Meath footballers, who had contested the 1991 All-Ireland were selected as test cases for Donal O'Neill's documentary Extra Time, which records the screening for cardiac health of the players, now between their late 40s and early 60s.

O'Neill's father Kevin was a member of the Down teams of the 1960s and he survived a heart attack in 2010, as did twice All-Ireland medallist from the 1990s Gary Mason. Ambrose Rogers played in the 1991 final and wasn't as lucky, suffering a fatal heart attack in his 30s in 1999.

In association with businessman Dave Bobbett, founder of the charity Irish Heart Disease Awareness, the short film (a full-length version is due for release later this year) follows the players through a series of tests, including CCS (Coronary Calcium Scoring), a scan that Bobbett passionately advocated for all middle-aged men at Friday night's launch in the Croke Park Jury's Hotel.

More of that, below.

"Not every All-Ireland is a seminal event but 1991 was. It heralded the rise of Ulster football

Running throughout the programme were the highlights of the 1991 All-Ireland and 28 years later the sense of history was striking.

Croke Park was colourful with all the red-and-black flags swaying like poppies around the stadium but the context of that match is hard to recapture. Not alone had Down not won an All-Ireland since 1968 but no counties from either Ulster or Connacht had done so in the same period.

There is general recollection of Down manager Peter McGrath's stump speech on the victorious bus home and his phrase that they "had beat the team that couldn't be beaten". It sounded melodramatic but contained a grain of truth.

That summer Meath played 10 matches – an unprecedented schedule for those pre-qualifier days – including the famous four-match saga against Dublin in the Leinster championship during which they also drew with Wicklow. Aside from those draws they had scrapped out a narrow win against a good Roscommon team and if "unbeatable" was an exaggeration, well no-one had managed it in nine championship outings.

Down's peculiar record against Kerry was also in play, as they had beaten them well in the All-Ireland semi-final to maintain the perfect championship sequence – four from four – but Kerry were at their most vulnerable in an All-Ireland series for decades and that was priced into the team's perceived merits.

Meath had lifted the Sam Maguire twice in the previous four years and were seasoned and very experienced.

Luck deserted them along the way, though. Robbie O'Malley, probably the best corner back in the game at the time, broke his leg in the Leinster final and in the lead-up to the All-Ireland Colm O'Rourke was unwell and although he triggered Meath's comeback in the final after coming off the bench, he was unable to play a full part.

Wasteland

Although the Ulster county had won an All-Ireland under-21 title 12 years previously – three players, captain Paddy O'Rourke, Greg Blaney and Liam Austin played in both – and a minor title in 1987, under McGrath's management, senior had been a wasteland since 1968: just two provincial successes and the 1983 league, none of which led on to greater things.

All told they had three players with one All Star each, Blaney and Austin going back to 1983 and another seven years later. At last Friday night's event, James McCartan said that he got that one by buying drink for journalists on the 1990 international rules tour of Australia. I don't remember this but then again I wasn't a selector at the time.

What Down did have was a radiant self-confidence. The county had never lost an All-Ireland final and no doubt appeared to cross the collective mind that this could have been good fortune or coincidence.

Tactically they anticipated the modern age with two wing forwards, Ross Carr and Mason who had previously been half backs and indefatigably tracked back. Both good kickers, they shared frees, right and left. Blaney was the prototype creative centre forward, servicing two fast, incisive corner forwards in McCartan and Mickey Linden and a wrecking ball full forward, Peter Withnell.

The match was decided between the 19th and 47th minutes when Down out-scored Meath by 1-9 to 0-1 and it's doubtful that any other team could have lived with fluent destructiveness unleashed in those 28 minutes.

Even the comeback kings couldn't turn it around although they went close, losing just 1-14 to 1-16.

Not every All-Ireland is a seminal event but 1991 was. It heralded the rise of Ulster football – no other province has seen the Sam Maguire more often in the 28 years since – and obliterated the stranglehold of the Munster-Leinster duopoly.

Back in the present, Meath had a rather more serious victory when the veterans of 1991 were assessed by the CCS test.

Although both teams had eight players, who returned a perfect zero score the average of the respective groups diverged sharply: Meath came in with 16 whereas Down's was 264. More acutely, eight of the latter players – some of whom registered in the thousands – were recommended to seek further medical assessment whereas just one Meath player came into that category.

It's good that the memories of teams' achievements live on as long as possible into the future but it would be even better if the players themselves could as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 11, 2019, 09:36:37 PM
Kilcoo 5.18
Downpatrick 0.05
That is some hammering at any level let alone seniors. Two clubs paying outside managers with one being a total waste of money. Kilcoo mean business this year can't see anyone touching them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 11, 2019, 10:51:49 PM
Kilcoo hammered DP own in ballymartin in the 1st or 2nd game of the league last year so hard to see if either team has improved or gotten worse in the last 12 months but you're right Kilcoo look like they will be hard to stop this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 11, 2019, 11:14:37 PM
Kilcoo did pick up a serious amount of injury's throughout last years campaign and if they can keep the injuries down nobody will touch them. That tonight was with 2 of the brannigans Ryan Johnstone and none of the minors that played in the ulster league final against Ballinderry. They have a serious serious squad this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 12, 2019, 10:17:32 PM
Decent win by CPN against a new look Ballyholland team. They are very young and will struggle this year. We take on the noisy neighbours on Monday whom have let winning the one in a row get to them. Kilcoo and the great Mayobridge teams of the nougties didn't dine out on a championship for 6 months and counting. Some of the younger brigade should take a long hard look at themselves
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on April 13, 2019, 11:14:11 PM
What is the bard of Warrenpoint alluding to now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on April 15, 2019, 08:56:18 PM
Loughinisland gifted 2 goals in the first half; but much the better team throughout
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on April 15, 2019, 10:33:55 PM
Great win for Glenn tonight in Saval. Credit the lads who have really stepped up as a team. We always find it hard to beat Saval. Glenn kept them to one point in second half. Some win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on April 15, 2019, 10:43:08 PM
CPN drew with Burren tonight. Point could have won. At least twice as many sides as Burren. Burren equalized with last minute free kick. Controversial to say the least
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 16, 2019, 09:36:30 AM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on April 15, 2019, 10:33:55 PM
Great win for Glenn tonight in Saval. Credit the lads who have really stepped up as a team. We always find it hard to beat Saval. Glenn kept them to one point in second half. Some win.

Glenn were certainly well worth their win! Jack McCartan is something else! Matty bagnall did ok :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on April 16, 2019, 08:51:35 PM
Surely Glenn would be clear favourites for that game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 16, 2019, 09:10:23 PM
Is the draw for the championship this Thursday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 16, 2019, 11:28:19 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on April 16, 2019, 08:51:35 PM
Surely Glenn would be clear favourites for that game?

For what game?? Saval?? It could be 20+ years from Glenn have beaten Saval in Saval and managing this without Niall McParland the 2 Millars,Denis Murtagh and more is some achievement. Credit where it's due to the players and management who have started the season extremely well. But tougher tasks lie ahead no doubt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on April 17, 2019, 08:37:32 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on April 16, 2019, 11:28:19 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on April 16, 2019, 08:51:35 PM
Surely Glenn would be clear favourites for that game?

For what game?? Saval?? It could be 20+ years from Glenn have beaten Saval in Saval and managing this without Niall McParland the 2 Millars,Denis Murtagh and more is some achievement. Credit where it's due to the players and management who have started the season extremely well. But tougher tasks lie ahead no doubt.

Be worrying if there wasnt tougher tasks ahead. Saval average at best - far too reliant on Pat
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on April 17, 2019, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on April 16, 2019, 11:28:19 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on April 16, 2019, 08:51:35 PM
Surely Glenn would be clear favourites for that game?

For what game?? Saval?? It could be 20+ years from Glenn have beaten Saval in Saval and managing this without Niall McParland the 2 Millars,Denis Murtagh and more is some achievement. Credit where it's due to the players and management who have started the season extremely well. But tougher tasks lie ahead no doubt.

Will these lads be back later in the year??? Otherwise you can't say they were without them. Saval could say they were without Niall madine etc. In that case
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on April 17, 2019, 02:21:41 PM
If they weren't playing in the match then they were without them surely?

Think I've maybe missed the point?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on April 17, 2019, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on April 17, 2019, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on April 16, 2019, 11:28:19 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on April 16, 2019, 08:51:35 PM
Surely Glenn would be clear favourites for that game?

For what game?? Saval?? It could be 20+ years from Glenn have beaten Saval in Saval and managing this without Niall McParland the 2 Millars,Denis Murtagh and more is some achievement. Credit where it's due to the players and management who have started the season extremely well. But tougher tasks lie ahead no doubt.

Will these lads be back later in the year??? Otherwise you can't say they were without them. Saval could say they were without Niall madine etc. In that case

McParland is due back at the end of May I believe as for the others I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on April 17, 2019, 10:24:46 PM
Quote from: outinfront on April 17, 2019, 02:21:41 PM
If they weren't playing in the match then they were without them surely?

Think I've maybe missed the point?

The point is that they aren't just injured or suspended and available for the next game. They aren't there for the medium future. Lots of teams can add who they don't have due to various reasons - most commonly people moving away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on April 20, 2019, 05:09:27 PM
Warrenpoint beat again, what's happening Smurfy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 20, 2019, 10:40:36 PM
Beat by a good team. We were robbed on Monday. I said it before the best team I seen last year was Mayobridge. They were the most exciting team i seen. We are not up to the standards of last year. But maybe someone realises that the league doesn't matter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 21, 2019, 01:54:44 AM
And that defeat was without
Ciaran McCartan who has returned from cork
Patrick Murdock
Ryan Mallon
Joe Magee
Aaron Magee
Cormac McCartan
John Boyle
We struggle as it is but without these men we are pretty average.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on April 21, 2019, 08:33:09 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 21, 2019, 01:54:44 AM
And that defeat was without
Ciaran McCartan who has returned from cork
Patrick Murdock
Ryan Mallon
Joe Magee
Aaron Magee
Cormac McCartan
John Boyle
We struggle as it is but without these men we are pretty average.
You don't rate the 15 that fielded for you then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on April 21, 2019, 08:41:46 AM
Always an excuse for the Point , missing players, ref decisions, you name them Smurfs used them!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 21, 2019, 09:22:10 AM
No excuse yesterday beaten by a seasoned team who will always be knocking on the door. Only stating we are missing up to 10 players whom all could potentially start for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on April 21, 2019, 04:05:42 PM
Every club for every game is always missing players, going by your reasoning we should be playing 20 a side, taking your defeat no excuses , use your available players and respect them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 21, 2019, 06:36:23 PM
Kilcoo money being well spent. 1.05 some scoring. Mickey the hero
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on April 21, 2019, 07:08:36 PM
Very disappointing finish to the Minor game yesterday. Up by 4 points going into the last 10 minutes and ended up being beaten by 3. Some outstanding talent in the Down squad and with a star studded management team, we really should have been getting over the line against Monaghan. Also very disappointing that they couldn't even send a representative to the official launch of the Minor Championship during the week where every other county apart from Down had someone there. Poor form.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on April 21, 2019, 08:22:10 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 21, 2019, 06:36:23 PM
Kilcoo money being well spent. 1.05 some scoring. Mickey the hero
V cynical targeting of Sean Parr by Kilcoo; he was on a yellow (correctly), was impeded by a Kilcoo player and the ref fell for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on April 23, 2019, 08:19:32 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 21, 2019, 06:36:23 PM
Kilcoo money being well spent. 1.05 some scoring. Mickey the hero

I must have read the website wrong, it says Kilcoo won by 2 points. 6 scores each, not a massive return but it's 2pts nevertheless. If they win the league, who will remember what they scored.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 23, 2019, 10:34:02 AM
Great to get our first win of the season, heavy scoring  for the Duff last night v Saval.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on April 23, 2019, 10:49:43 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 23, 2019, 10:34:02 AM
Great to get our first win of the season, heavy scoring  for the Duff last night v Saval.
Definite statement of intent early doors by Carryduff. A club finally looking like they are heading in right direction after years of producing teams with potential at underage. Loads of development happening at " the roundabout "
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 23, 2019, 02:28:02 PM
Quote from: Lotto on April 21, 2019, 07:08:36 PM
Very disappointing finish to the Minor game yesterday. Up by 4 points going into the last 10 minutes and ended up being beaten by 3. Some outstanding talent in the Down squad and with a star studded management team, we really should have been getting over the line against Monaghan. Also very disappointing that they couldn't even send a representative to the official launch of the Minor Championship during the week where every other county apart from Down had someone there. Poor form.
So called star studded managerial team have failed for a few years. It's no shock anymore . Defeat is the Down way. At all levels by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on April 23, 2019, 06:10:02 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 23, 2019, 02:28:02 PM
Quote from: Lotto on April 21, 2019, 07:08:36 PM
Very disappointing finish to the Minor game yesterday. Up by 4 points going into the last 10 minutes and ended up being beaten by 3. Some outstanding talent in the Down squad and with a star studded management team, we really should have been getting over the line against Monaghan. Also very disappointing that they couldn't even send a representative to the official launch of the Minor Championship during the week where every other county apart from Down had someone there. Poor form.
So called star studded managerial team have failed for a few years. It's no shock anymore . Defeat is the Down way. At all levels by the looks of it.

A bit harsh.

Monaghan got to All Ireland semi last year - still have some players from that team. One of the favourites for this year's Ulster Minor Champs.

Beat Down by 9 in league few weeks back. Down did well to live with them on Saturday.

Yes - on another day Down could have won, but to be fair, Monaghan looked a strong side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 23, 2019, 09:38:49 PM
Anyone in Carryduff this evening? What sort team did Down line out with?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 23, 2019, 09:54:22 PM
There was obviously no programme and plenty of changes made in the course of a low key friendly. Down largely went man to man defensively, with Wells and Collins fairly comfortable in the full back line, McKernan placed as an orthodox centre half and Francis overlapping beside him. The midfield was Flynn and Mallon, who were reasonable without noticeably improving on the league partnerships. Maginn looked the part at centre forward, and scored an early goal, with Guinness and McGrady showing up well alongside him. Havern won every ball at full forward with Devlin and McCabe providing support. There was no sign of either O'Hagan or O'Hare, while Harrison is injured, and Mooney came off the bench. Davidson was another sub who saw plenty of the ball but may still be short on fitness. The game was divided into three periods, and Down were three up going into the third one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on April 24, 2019, 09:41:14 AM
What would they have learned from a friendly against an Antrim team that Down beat in 3rd gear in last years championship? Down play Donegal next weekend in Tullylish..Would say this will be their last run out before the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on April 24, 2019, 10:19:18 AM
They were able to give a game of inter country football to lads who have been playing club for the last few weeks, fellas need to get up to that pace again.  They seemed to be playing a different style so that needs time to get players used to it.  In fairness Antrim had some very good players on show and I'm sure Tally was pleased with the run out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on April 24, 2019, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: befair on April 21, 2019, 08:22:10 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 21, 2019, 06:36:23 PM
Kilcoo money being well spent. 1.05 some scoring. Mickey the hero
V cynical targeting of Sean Parr by Kilcoo; he was on a yellow (correctly), was impeded by a Kilcoo player and the ref fell for it.
Hard to feel any sympathy for a player who can be V cynical himself
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on April 25, 2019, 07:29:41 PM
I see the club championship draws are made this evening.  :)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on April 25, 2019, 07:33:19 PM
PREDICTIONS ???


2019 Down GAA All County Football League (Division 1)

26.04.19 (Fri)

Round 5

Ballyholland V Cill Chua

Castlewellan V RGU Downpatrick

Rostrevor V Clonduff GAC

Mayobridge V Bryansford

Burren GAC V Loughinisland

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on April 25, 2019, 07:37:24 PM
predictions ?

Div 2

Round 5

An Riocht V St John's Drumnaquoile

Darragh Cross V Glenn John Martins GFC

Liatroim V Bredagh

Saval V Longstone


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on April 25, 2019, 07:39:21 PM
predictions ???

div 3

Round 5

Glasdrumman V Dromara

Atticall V Newry Shamrocks

Ballymartin V St Colman's Drumaness

Teconnaught V Drumgath

St John Bosco GAC V Annaclone

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on April 25, 2019, 07:41:11 PM
predictions

div 4

Round 3

St Michael's V Kilclief

Aghaderg V St Paul's

Bright V Aughlisnafin

Ardglass V Mitchels


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on April 25, 2019, 07:42:17 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on April 25, 2019, 07:33:19 PM
PREDICTIONS ???


2019 Down GAA All County Football League (Division 1)

26.04.19 (Fri)

Round 5

Ballyholland V Cill Chua

Castlewellan V RGU Downpatrick

Rostrevor V Clonduff GAC

Mayobridge V Bryansford

Burren GAC V Loughinisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on April 25, 2019, 07:43:37 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on April 25, 2019, 07:37:24 PM
predictions ?

Div 2

Round 5

An Riocht V St John's Drumnaquoile

Darragh Cross V Glenn John Martins GFC

Liatroim V Bredagh

Saval V Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on April 25, 2019, 07:44:43 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on April 25, 2019, 07:39:21 PM
predictions ???

div 3

Round 5

Glasdrumman V Dromara

Atticall V Newry Shamrocks

Ballymartin V St Colman's Drumaness

Teconnaught V Drumgath

St John Bosco GAC V Annaclone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on April 25, 2019, 07:45:50 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on April 25, 2019, 07:41:11 PM
predictions

div 4

Round 3

St Michael's V Kilclief

Aghaderg V St Paul's

Bright V Aughlisnafin

Ardglass V Mitchels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 25, 2019, 09:20:13 PM
A very one sided senior championship draw with the exception of Mayobridge v Burren and even at that if Mayobridge beat holders Burren they are back in it. Brutal draw for them on that front
Easy wins for
CPN
CASTLEWELLAN
KILCOO
CLONDUFF
LOUGHINISLAND
BRYANSFORD
ROSTREVOR
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on April 25, 2019, 10:00:06 PM
What was the full draw Mr Smurf?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 25, 2019, 10:08:55 PM
CPN BALLYHOLLAND
BURREN MAYOBRIDGE
RGU ROSTREVOR
KILCOO AN RIOCHT
CLONDUFF SAVAL
LONGSTONE LOUGHINISLAND
BRYANSFORD BREDAGH
CASTLEWELLAN CARRYDUFF
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on April 26, 2019, 06:29:05 AM
Smurf, RGU and Carryduff may cause Rostrevor and Castlewellan a few problems as it is championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 26, 2019, 07:22:13 AM
Can't see it Cuan. The biggest draw of the first round is obviously Mayobridge and Burren but then again even if Mayobridge were to beat them they are back in. Time to bring back the straight knockout? If I were the county board I would take all games away from Newry until maybe the quarter finals. Imagine say Mayobridge and Burren played in hilltown on a Sunday. Or Saval and Clonduff in Mayobridge on a Friday night. Better atmosphere
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on April 26, 2019, 02:21:38 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 26, 2019, 07:22:13 AM
Can't see it Cuan. The biggest draw of the first round is obviously Mayobridge and Burren but then again even if Mayobridge were to beat them they are back in. Time to bring back the straight knockout? If I were the county board I would take all games away from Newry until maybe the quarter finals. Imagine say Mayobridge and Burren played in hilltown on a Sunday. Or Saval and Clonduff in Mayobridge on a Friday night. Better atmosphere
Hard to beat the South Down clubs and venues Smurf. Class altogether . The rest of Down should just go away and leave the elite to it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 26, 2019, 09:32:51 PM
I have been critical of them on here but what a win for Ballyholland. Take a bow justy lynch and Damien McCrink. To go to Loughinisland and get a point and then to beat Kilcoo. Some win. What's going on in Kilcoo? Don't think Moran realised he was taking over an ageing team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 26, 2019, 10:20:08 PM
Smurfy where you not saying a few weeks ago that no one would touch Kilcoo ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 26, 2019, 10:26:09 PM
I did whitegoodman I did. I fell for the hype around Moran and co after what he done with SNeil but the more I look at his overall record it's not great. I'll hold my hands up yes I did say that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 26, 2019, 10:35:04 PM
It's too early to say about any team this year.  Some teams are further ahead than others in fitness and some care more about the league than others.

Some interesting results tonight all the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 26, 2019, 10:55:29 PM
Bredagh were held to 1-4 to 0-0 at half time by Liatroim, they diddnt score in second half, we win, but anyone remember any other game where each team diddnt score in a half?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 26, 2019, 11:08:18 PM
Division 1 is going to be very even this year.

Every team is big enough and well drilled enough to ensure that if they're motivated on the night, it will be close.

Pure experience, and sheer depth of talent, respectively will make Kilcoo and Burren favs for Frank again. But it's already got the look of the most open Down SFC since the mid nineties.


——

Great result for the Harps tonight and I'm delighted for Justin and Damian. Performances have been getting better each week. 5 teenagers started again tonight, and another one on after 10 mins. The Murphy cavalry is back in a fortnight too. Hopefully they'll have to play their way back into the team!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 26, 2019, 11:16:55 PM
Fair play to the Harps men tonight. Another pleasing thing from an outsider looking in this result is not plastered all over twitter as if yas won the championship. 5 teenagers starting against ulster league champions and come away with a win is some going. Lynch and McCrink settled in well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CornUladh02 on April 26, 2019, 11:24:28 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 26, 2019, 11:16:55 PM
Fair play to the Harps men tonight. Another pleasing thing from an outsider looking in this result is not plastered all over twitter as if yas won the championship. 5 teenagers starting against ulster league champions and come away with a win is some going. Lynch and McCrink settled in well.
Great win.
Ulster league champions..  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 26, 2019, 11:28:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 26, 2019, 11:08:18 PM
Division 1 is going to be very even this year.

Every team is big enough and well drilled enough to ensure that if they're motivated on the night, it will be close.

Pure experience, and sheer depth of talent, respectively will make Kilcoo and Burren favs for Frank again. But it's already got the look of the most open Down SFC since the mid nineties.


——

Great result for the Harps tonight and I'm delighted for Justin and Damian. Performances have been getting better each week. 5 teenagers started again tonight, and another one on after 10 mins. The Murphy cavalry is back in a fortnight too. Hopefully they'll have to play their way back into the team!

I would be very surprised if it isn't kilcoo and Burren in the final again if they are kept apart.  If both are close to full strength they are ahead of the rest.  By a distance too.

Smurfy u have previously mentioned about Ulster league champions as if it means something.  I may be missing something but is the Ulster league not just glorified friendlies where it saves teams trying to organise matches during pre season ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 26, 2019, 11:35:10 PM
Yes but the manner Kilcoo beat teams out the gate winning it then beating Downpatrick by 30 points. They deserve some credit for winning it. Can't see past the big 4 again for the semi finals
Burren
Kilcoo
CPN
Mayobridge

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on April 27, 2019, 09:43:51 AM
Kilcoo are notorious at slow league campaigns? What sort of team had they out?
Saval and Glenn seem to be going tightly in Div2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on April 27, 2019, 09:57:58 AM
Smurfy big 4 cpn really?? 🙈
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on April 27, 2019, 10:05:15 AM
 
Quote from: terrifictommy on April 27, 2019, 09:43:51 AM
Kilcoo are notorious at slow league campaigns? What sort of team had they out?
Saval and Glenn seem to be going tightly in Div2.
Is that the same Saval that Carryduff put 8-15 past?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on April 27, 2019, 10:39:59 AM
Well noted Centre. For whatever reason I thought they seemed to be better off than they actually are!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on April 27, 2019, 11:32:40 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 26, 2019, 11:35:10 PM
Yes but the manner Kilcoo beat teams out the gate winning it then beating Downpatrick by 30 points. They deserve some credit for winning it. Can't see past the big 4 again for the semi finals
Burren
Kilcoo
CPN
Mayobridge

What are you on, you are having some serious delusions here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 27, 2019, 12:02:04 PM
Finished joint second in the league with Mayobridge
Semi final of championship
League
1 Burren
2 Mayobridge
2 CPN
4 Kilcoo

Championship
Semi final
CPN V Kilcoo
Mayobridge v Burren

What is delusional about that you muppet?
Come up with some shite excuse but CPN are now a top 4 club in Down until someone can move us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on April 27, 2019, 01:07:42 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 27, 2019, 12:02:04 PM
Finished joint second in the league with Mayobridge
Semi final of championship
League
1 Burren
2 Mayobridge
2 CPN
4 Kilcoo

Championship
Semi final
CPN V Kilcoo
Mayobridge v Burren

What is delusional about that you muppet?
Come up with some shite excuse but CPN are now a top 4 club in Down until someone can move us.

Classy response, poor sign when you have to resort to insults.

Your compelling evidence from last year makes it clear that Warrenpoint are now a Top 4 club in Down, how wrong I have been. I hope you had a big night celebrating your joint second in the league  ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on April 27, 2019, 07:02:48 PM
Classy response, poor sign when you have to resort to insults.

Did you know call him delusional? And you now seek the moral high ground, that's a bit rich.

His logic does stack up. Who else would replace CPN in the 4?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on April 27, 2019, 07:21:38 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on April 27, 2019, 07:02:48 PM
Classy response, poor sign when you have to resort to insults.

Did you know call him delusional? And you now seek the moral high ground, that's a bit rich.

His logic does stack up. Who else would replace CPN in the 4?

Sweet f**k.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 27, 2019, 08:40:31 PM
Lotto u mug how are we not a top 4 club? Top 4 and semi final of the championship would suggest we are unless you have some other treason as to why we are not? At this present time CPN are in the top 4. Might change next year but we are
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on April 27, 2019, 08:52:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 27, 2019, 08:40:31 PM
Lotto u mug how are we not a top 4 club? Top 4 and semi final of the championship would suggest we are unless you have some other treason as to why we are not? At this present time CPN are in the top 4. Might change next year but we are

No treason at all, you have proved me wrong. I hope you have another successful year being satisfied with mediocrity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 27, 2019, 09:42:55 PM
Mediocrity competing with the only 3 teams that have won championships this past 20 years? You have not a clue what you are talking about. CPN rubbing shoulders with Kilcoo Burren and Mayobridge is mediocre? How do you work that out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on April 27, 2019, 10:52:20 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 27, 2019, 09:42:55 PM
Mediocrity competing with the only 3 teams that have won championships this past 20 years? You have not a clue what you are talking about. CPN rubbing shoulders with Kilcoo Burren and Mayobridge is mediocre? How do you work that out?

Ah man, stop before you embarrass yourself and St Peters any further. You would also be better getting your facts right as you can often be left looking like an ass.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on May 03, 2019, 09:30:32 PM
How did the so called top 4 go this week Smurf?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 03, 2019, 10:01:40 PM
Well 2 of them won.
Kilcoo and Burren were playing each other
CPN had a great win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on May 05, 2019, 12:15:04 PM
Division 1 results so far would suggest Smurfs assumption that Warrenpoint are in top 4 seems to be flawed given Clonduff are unbeaten,, Mayonridge getting beat by Loughinisland , does anyone else on here think that the league is getting more competitive which hopefully feeds into a better county team.
Matches I have watched have been in the main good high scoring tight games, refs make good games, the whistle happy ones destroy games and frustrate players, there are quality refs out there who referee with no quarter asked no quarter given their thinking and it's good to watch , I hate to see lazy frees which are easy to give by the ref, when Paul Higgins, DJ, POR,John Kelly etc played , they give frees away reluctantly but if they did the recipient knee they had earned a free, I know some will say different game different time and their right but referees then seemed to let the players play and come into contact.Anyway Smurf next few weeks will be interesting , and then the championship, my tip for an upset , watch Castlewellan game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 06, 2019, 08:25:57 AM
Not the worst performance from Down yesterday,  James Guinness caught the eye,  I think that was his 1st game Down. McGrady also put in decent shift I thought. The biggest problem was  the same as the national league, slow build up meant Donegal were able to get their players back and cover around the full forward. But they opened up more in 2nd half and moved it quicker.

Team for armagh game;

Burns
Ryan Mc A
Wells
Collins
O Hagan
McKernan
J Guinness
Mooney
Poland
D Guinness
P Devlin
McGrady
R Johnson
O Hare
Harrison


Also that's some pitch Tullylish have now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 06, 2019, 11:56:18 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on May 06, 2019, 08:25:57 AM
Not the worst performance from Down yesterday,  James Guinness caught the eye,  I think that was his 1st game Down. McGrady also put in decent shift I thought. The biggest problem was  the same as the national league, slow build up meant Donegal were able to get their players back and cover around the full forward. But they opened up more in 2nd half and moved it quicker.

Team for armagh game;

Burns
Ryan Mc A
Wells
Collins
O Hagan
McKernan
J Guinness
Mooney
Poland
D Guinness
P Devlin
McGrady
R Johnson
O Hare
Harrison


Also that's some pitch Tullylish have now.
What was the score?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on May 06, 2019, 12:48:25 PM
There's a few mentioned in previous posts that are simply not up to task ahead, can't see Paddy Talky picking players who don't play his way or who can't , we need a team not 15 individuals and what has been posted as the potential line up has too many individuals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on May 06, 2019, 03:13:17 PM
Standard in the county isn't where it was, back to basics needed. We can't keep thinking where we are is good enough to compete in Ulster let alone All-Ireland series.

Cuan - Right about refs, not sure who ppl class as good this year but they can change a games complexion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 06, 2019, 09:44:47 PM
Donegal apparently won by two.  There will be plenty of suggestions about the team for Armagh, and Ed Hardy is entitled to his ideas. However, Maginn is still a likely starter with Havern and Mallon there or thereabouts. If McArdle and Flynn are fit, they are in the same category. The biggest question is whether O'Hagan, probably our best player, is asked to mark Clarke in the corner or kept at his natural position at wing half. Midfield is a problem no matter what we do so packing the sector may be our best option.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 09, 2019, 10:04:25 PM
Is the Down v Armagh game an all ticket
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 14, 2019, 10:42:29 AM
Ryan Johnston ruled out of armagh game. Big blow, either as a starter or to come off the bench.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 14, 2019, 10:25:03 PM
Anyone care to hazzard a guess at the team for Sunday. I don't expect many changes from the league unless the friendlies unearthed something special

1. Burns
2. Collins (man mark clarke)
3. Wells
4. McAleenan
5. Laverty
6. Flanagan
7. O'Hagan
8. Mooney
9. Flynn
10. Guiness
11. Maginn
12. McGrady
13. J Johnston
14. O'Hare
15. McKernan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on May 15, 2019, 09:36:52 PM
That team won't beat Armagh. We just aren't good enough and we will get the usual it's a work in progress story!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 15, 2019, 11:34:15 PM
Nanderson does not say which of the Guinness brothers he is suggesting. Both are well in contention, as are Poland, Havern, Harrison and a couple of others, so there will be a few tight selection calls along the way. Tally is more than capable of shaking up the team that finished the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 16, 2019, 07:44:53 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 15, 2019, 10:00:59 PM
Is the usual not that you hound the manager out with a belief that your players are good enough if you had the correct management team in place?

Fcuk off back to casement.... oops
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 16, 2019, 09:22:49 AM
You are right. It was common to point finger at management whilst citing that the players were good enough and just needed the right man in place.
But im afraid to say time has moved on and its one of the poorest Down panels in recent memory. Tally is the right man to oversee the development and he is as good as we are going to get in Down for the foreseeable.
The players might come good in time and surprise a few people but i really cant see it. Lean times will continue for Down as far as the modern game is concerned. The calibre of footballer just doesnt exist in the county anymore as far as i can see. Efforts are being made in terms of grassroots and structures but we probably wont see those fruits for maybe another 10yrs at best.

but he was also right....you should f**k away off back to Antrim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on May 16, 2019, 02:09:18 PM
I'm in Antrim and I want the f**k out of it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 16, 2019, 02:36:50 PM
Hoganstand-esque debate there lads!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on May 16, 2019, 06:39:35 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 15, 2019, 11:34:15 PM
Tally is more than capable of shaking up the team that finished the league.

Shame he hadn't given them a bit of a shake before the league finished.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 16, 2019, 09:38:29 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on May 16, 2019, 06:39:35 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 15, 2019, 11:34:15 PM
Tally is more than capable of shaking up the team that finished the league.

Shame he hadn't given them a bit of a shake before the league finished.

Seriously for a man with such a reputation for being a 'players manager' I'm yet to hear many positive comments about him as a man manager, well apart from his 'love child' Kevin Mc Kernan. Players walking away wouldn't indicate that he is as special as he thinks he is. He has replaced Mark Reid with the Burren sub goalkeeper, what the hell is that all about? I hear there were 5 Carryduff players leading the show against Donegal in Tullylish last week and with total respect to Carryduff, if we are relying on some of those players to beat Armagh then we have very little chance. We have a very average defence, inadequate midfield, I don't include Mooney in that as he is not a midfielder, with an extremely impotent forward line who play in the defence most of the time during games anyway. I read where Tally thinks he is not an overly defensive manager, well I beg to differ and having watched Down play in the league with 12-14 players behind the ball for the majority of games he strikes me as setting a team up very defensively. God help us as I can't see anything other than an Armagh win, I sincerely hope I am wrong though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 16, 2019, 10:09:59 PM
FFS Lotto get off the fence, would you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 16, 2019, 10:13:57 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on May 16, 2019, 10:09:59 PM
FFS Lotto get off the fence, would you?

You trying to be funny?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 17, 2019, 01:54:45 PM
We definitely do not have the quality of player that most of the top ten or twelve sides have. But doesn't that make teamwork even more important? I do not see Down players playing as a cohesive unit. It doesn't look like they are following patterns of play.

Donegal came good in 2012 because they followed patterns of play, they were well drilled and worked together, they did not rely on individual talent. I know people will say that their individuals were better then than ours are now but that's not my point. The point is that a Donegal side that was smashed by Armagh came back to claim All-Ireland glory with players that were not as good across the 15 as some of their opponents. Their players improved as individuals after fully committing to working as a team

Gaelic football is an amazing team sport. A fast co-ordinated approach can level two teams up far quicker than almost any other of the major field sports.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 17, 2019, 11:57:32 PM
Team named as Burns; O'Hagan, Wells, Collins; McAleenan, McKernan, Daniel Guinness; Mooney, Poland; Francis, Jerome Johnston, Maginn; Havern, O'Hare, Harrison.

We will certainly not start in this formation, and like Armagh there could still be changes. McArdle and Flynn are definitely losses and we have pace rather than size across the field. The Armagh side looks as though it as a distinct physical advantage but we will be hoping that our manager reads it better along the way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 18, 2019, 12:00:04 AM
If that's the first 15 I will eat my hat. 9 forwards starting. I'll give Tally that he fair shakes it up. When was the last time a Carryduff man started? Greg in 97/98?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 18, 2019, 12:09:11 AM
Give over hardstation ya tube. Go back to the Antrim board. Trying to run down a great. Give over
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 18, 2019, 02:19:32 AM
Adrian Scullion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on May 18, 2019, 08:26:37 AM
If that's the team, I would say we will win, it's not blind optimism but  having watched these players we have a very capable forward line and if we can use paces do guile to beat brawn there will be some on here who will have eat their words. Armagh are no world beaters , they like us have been struggling but we can lift our game and get a result, Down to win by 2-4 points, Tally's no how, decent weather and a fast game will help us get a result but the kick outs are so important.Minors can also win, some exciting talent on show.
So lads get of the teams back, regardless where the players are from , support the team and lastly Greg Blaney was a devoted and talented hurler and footballer who played football for Ballycran and Carryduff.Having been brought up in Ballycran he obviously would say he's from Ballycran but he was special, silly arguement really !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 18, 2019, 06:50:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 18, 2019, 02:19:32 AM
Adrian Scullion.
Bellaghy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 18, 2019, 07:22:52 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 18, 2019, 06:50:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 18, 2019, 02:19:32 AM
Adrian Scullion.
Bellaghy

Would you describe Dan McCartan in 2010 as Tullylish?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 19, 2019, 12:11:39 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 18, 2019, 07:22:52 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 18, 2019, 06:50:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 18, 2019, 02:19:32 AM
Adrian Scullion.
Bellaghy

Would you describe Dan McCartan in 2010 as Tullylish?
Maybe just Donaghacloney or Ballyholland being Newry as in Pats Carryout Newry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 19, 2019, 10:11:15 PM
Losing at home to Armagh in the championship for the first time in over sixty years is never going to be a good day but the way we rallied when the game seemed gone, and then probably should have gone on to win it in extra time, was hugely impressive and indicated that we may have a team again within a year or two.

While a couple of individual errors of judgment cost us dearly, Tally did a brilliant job tactically and kept his head when McGeeney was all over the place in the closing stages. We can also feel pretty hard done by as it was very hard to see how a head high tackle from Mooney was a red while a hand straight into the face from O'Neill was only a yellow as he went on to be man of the match. Havern may have handled on the ground in the very last play but he was almost certainly fouled first and, with Armagh panicking, anything could have happened from a long free into the square

The most impressive aspect for us was the way the younger players stepped up to the mark, through Daniel Guinness, Francis and Havern from the start and James Guinness, Quinn and McCabe coming off the bench. They all made mistakes under pressure along the way but they look like the best group of emerging talent we have had for a decade.

Throw in excellent displays from both O'Hagans, McAleenan, McKernan, O'Hare and Harrison and we might yet have a run in the qualfiers with the right draw.

Tally's set up meant Armagh did not have any real midfield advantage before Mooney's dismissal and he came up with a decent plan for 14 men as well. Burns had a fine game with some excellent kick-outs until he got over confident and went on one run too many resulting in his black card.

Wells tried hard at full back but struggled throughout and we have very few alternatives there after the injuries to Donnelly and McArdle. A call to McGovern may be unlikely but is still worth considering.

However, there is every prospect that this squad is going to improve both this summer and in the coming season. Tally proved his capabilitiies today and, with the players buying into his approach, some heartening progress is definitely on the cards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on May 19, 2019, 10:56:59 PM
Mooney's tackle was reckless and dangerous; O'Neill's was a tap and not dangerous. Fair play to Down though, battled like dogs!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 19, 2019, 11:08:51 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on May 19, 2019, 10:56:59 PM
Mooney's tackle was reckless and dangerous; O'Neill's was a tap and not dangerous. Fair play to Down though, battled like dogs!

I can't see it like that. Mooney was travelling at speed and his opponent turned and ducked at speed. Happens at least once in every game of football. There's more malice and intent in almost any shoulder tackle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 20, 2019, 07:00:38 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 19, 2019, 10:11:15 PM
Losing at home to Armagh in the championship for the first time in over sixty years is never going to be a good day but the way we rallied when the game seemed gone, and then probably should have gone on to win it in extra time, was hugely impressive and indicated that we may have a team again within a year or two.

While a couple of individual errors of judgment cost us dearly, Tally did a brilliant job tactically and kept his head when McGeeney was all over the place in the closing stages. We can also feel pretty hard done by as it was very hard to see how a head high tackle from Mooney was a red while a hand straight into the face from O'Neill was only a yellow as he went on to be man of the match. Havern may have handled on the ground in the very last play but he was almost certainly fouled first and, with Armagh panicking, anything could have happened from a long free into the square

The most impressive aspect for us was the way the younger players stepped up to the mark, through Daniel Guinness, Francis and Havern from the start and James Guinness, Quinn and McCabe coming off the bench. They all made mistakes under pressure along the way but they look like the best group of emerging talent we have had for a decade.

Throw in excellent displays from both O'Hagans, McAleenan, McKernan, O'Hare and Harrison and we might yet have a run in the qualfiers with the right draw.

Tally's set up meant Armagh did not have any real midfield advantage before Mooney's dismissal and he came up with a decent plan for 14 men as well. Burns had a fine game with some excellent kick-outs until he got over confident and went on one run too many resulting in his black card.

Wells tried hard at full back but struggled throughout and we have very few alternatives there after the injuries to Donnelly and McArdle. A call to McGovern may be unlikely but is still worth considering.

However, there is every prospect that this squad is going to improve both this summer and in the coming season. Tally proved his capabilitiies today and, with the players buying into his approach, some heartening progress is definitely on the cards.

Is he back in the country?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on May 20, 2019, 07:08:39 AM
Similar to rugby, Caolan, as the tackler, has a responsibility to his opponent when tackling. He's coming in too quick from the front. You can come in that quick from the side but not the front in todays game with referees now looking for dangerous play around the head. Mooney seemed to know straight away he was in bother.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ulsterman09 on May 20, 2019, 07:58:11 AM
Really missing the presence of a natural strong full back, both McGovern and Doherty are big misses.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 20, 2019, 08:12:10 AM
If Down could somehow get McGovern Doherty McParland along with 1 midfielder and a keeper they would have a serious team. That forward line are dangerous and add in the subs that came on Quinn O Hagen McCabe Devlin they are pretty solid up top. Guinness x2 McCabe Quinn 2 Keepers  Havern Collins? Francie? I make it 8/9 debutants yesterday? Massive blow to loose Mooney but I think to loose the keeper was an even bigger blow as Down went back to just hoofing the call out which ultimately cost them the match
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 20, 2019, 08:34:48 AM
Fantastically entertaining. Loved it. A real championship match. Armagh, at 5 points and a man up should have buried us. They totally pooped their tactics. Should simply have driven long balls to Clarke for the next ten minutes.

Fair play to our boys who fought back against the odds. Vast improvement from the league. Can we continue the improvement, and more importantly the speed of play?

Will Ryan Johnstone (or any of the other injured players) be available any time soon?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on May 20, 2019, 03:33:57 PM
QuoteTally did a brilliant job tactically

MR, I agree with most of what you write there but he made a huge error sending Poland back in to pick up Murnin.  I thought that was a terrible decision that cost us a goal and a point.

Plenty of positives to take away though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on May 20, 2019, 04:41:47 PM
Ryan Mallon came on and was then taken off. Was this tactical or was he injured?
If it was the former then I think that could be the last we will see of him in the red and black
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 20, 2019, 04:44:58 PM
Id hazard a guess that he was taken off because of the personal error count at a critical juncture in the game.
If hes going to be effective in Tally's team he's going to have to improve his awareness and decision-making and get his head up more often. Maybe add an end product to his repertoire.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 20, 2019, 05:15:26 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on May 20, 2019, 04:41:47 PM
Ryan Mallon came on and was then taken off. Was this tactical or was he injured?
If it was the former then I think that could be the last we will see of him in the red and black

He was taken off because of his inability to lift the ball but rather chose to put his toe in it, a decision which ended up with the ball in our net within 20 seconds. Head down and run hard is all he has ever been about with very poor decision making throw in, I'm sure Armagh would have rather he had stayed on as he offered nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 20, 2019, 05:26:14 PM
We probably should have parked Havern on the edge of the square and bombed a few in.

2 goals from long high balls in... and I don't remember their full back or goalie making any massive catches and clearances either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 20, 2019, 06:49:28 PM
I seriously don't get the celebration of being gallant losers, sure aren't we just great we nearly won a game against our hated rivals but all is good, we played some nice football, if Caolan and Rory hadn't got sent off and with a wee bit of luck we could have won but it's grand we'll take being second best. But hey, we have a(n extremely well paid) genius over us who has us really going places. I think some of you need to wake up and smell the coffee. We're still in Division 3 when we couldn't get over the line against an average Louth team and people think we have made progress this year.

Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 19, 2019, 10:11:15 PM
Tally did a brilliant job tactically
Brilliant tactics???

The long ball in was working and we got scores being direct but failed to consistently do this. Havern and Harrison wouldn't stay inside where they were dangerous and an option for a direct ball in.
Linked to above point was the lack of presence in FF line to hit a man with so often while building attacks, not even a highball in.
Kevin Mc Kernan on Rian O'Neill, what was that about?
Transition was pedestrian until late on in the game when we went for it and see the difference that it made - let the players play FFS.
Failed to push up on kickouts giving Armagh easy possession to come at us.
Kickouts haven't changed much since the league and cost against a very dominant Armagh midfield going long and trying to win the break ball. It didn't work during the league and we had similar results yesterday.
Sub keeper has trained twice with Down after only be called into the panel last weekend. WTF
Even with 15 behind the ball we were still so open at the back and Armagh got through us far too easy too often.
Poor tackling led to so many frees being given away but poor free taking from Armagh helped us stay in touch.
We had a panel of over 40 for most of the year but yesterday there was little confidence in the panel options when putting players back on who were taken off for playing bad. Where was the player development since October working with a genius?
Putting Conor Poland back on at full back
Turnovers and decision making poor throughout
Constantly carrying the ball into the tackle and coughing up easy possession against a more physical and organised team.
Inability to pick up runners at us with slack/poor/non existent marking.
Lack of a defensive plan when we went 3 points up in the 2nd period of extra time to close the game out and our manager is a defensive guru.

Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 19, 2019, 10:11:15 PM
Tally proved his capabilitiies today and, with the players buying into his approach, some heartening progress is definitely on the cards.

Players buying into his approach? 15 behind the ball, put everyone on one side of the pitch, kick it out and hope to get the break, pass sideways constantly but don't worry about going forward, drop to the 50 after your team scores, put the same men back on even though you have taken them off for not playing well, just a few of the genius approach from our manager. How can you say that progress is on the cards, we have made little progress this year? Just about beating very poor teams in Carlow and Sligo in the last few minutes of games, choking when we had the game by the throat yesterday. If was someone on the bench yesterday, seeing men go back on who had played poorly and been taken off I would have to wonder why I would go back to training this week. Here's hoping for London in the qualifiers, or maybe not. Let's see your heartening progress in the qualifiers Mourne Rover.

It was a complete shitshow at times yesterday, like the league at times but keep up your positivity if you want but it's not for me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 20, 2019, 09:19:41 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 20, 2019, 06:49:28 PM
I seriously don't get the celebration of being gallant losers, sure aren't we just great we nearly won a game against our hated rivals but all is good, we played some nice football, if Caolan and Rory hadn't got sent off and with a wee bit of luck we could have won but it's grand we'll take being second best. But hey, we have a(n extremely well paid) genius over us who has us really going places. I think some of you need to wake up and smell the coffee. We're still in Division 3 when we couldn't get over the line against an average Louth team and people think we have made progress this year.

Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 19, 2019, 10:11:15 PM
Tally did a brilliant job tactically
Brilliant tactics???

The long ball in was working and we got scores being direct but failed to consistently do this.
Do you know what happens when a team continue to kick a ball long? Defenders get wise to it, get men back and break it. The reason Down were so effective was because they hit it so little and did it at crucial times when Armagh were vulnerable at the back and managed to catch them out. Thats not to say that it would work everytime. I would expect any division 4 club team to know how to play against a high ball in let alone a county team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 20, 2019, 09:41:20 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 20, 2019, 09:19:41 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 20, 2019, 06:49:28 PM
I seriously don't get the celebration of being gallant losers, sure aren't we just great we nearly won a game against our hated rivals but all is good, we played some nice football, if Caolan and Rory hadn't got sent off and with a wee bit of luck we could have won but it's grand we'll take being second best. But hey, we have a(n extremely well paid) genius over us who has us really going places. I think some of you need to wake up and smell the coffee. We're still in Division 3 when we couldn't get over the line against an average Louth team and people think we have made progress this year.

Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 19, 2019, 10:11:15 PM
Tally did a brilliant job tactically
Brilliant tactics???

The long ball in was working and we got scores being direct but failed to consistently do this.
Do you know what happens when a team continue to kick a ball long? Defenders get wise to it, get men back and break it. The reason Down were so effective was because they hit it so little and did it at crucial times when Armagh were vulnerable at the back and managed to catch them out. Thats not to say that it would work everytime. I would expect any division 4 club team to know how to play against a high ball in let alone a county team

A bit like Armagh, a county team not a Division 4 club team, did for the last goal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 20, 2019, 11:05:56 PM
I've been watching football for 35 years and one thing has remained a constant: when a long ball is kicked in that actually gives an attacker a half a chance of winning, it scares the shit out of defenders.

Most long balls don't work as they're the wrong trajectory (every foot of height gives the defender a few ms more to adjust) or because they're landing near the corner flag and serve little advantage in winning,  or are kicked long just as the attacker is coming short.

But plant it up there and ensure the target has at least some ground support, and fear will rule. At every level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 20, 2019, 11:21:04 PM
Lotto has clearly forgotten about our last Ulster championship match 12 months ago when Donegal beat us by 13 points without breaking sweat even through we had an extra man for almost an entire hour. This time round, we came up with a strategy to negate Armagh's perceived superiority at midfield until Mooney got himself sent off. We then regrouped, had to cope with the black card for our keeper and then finished very strongly to come from five behind and get a draw. We could have won it in extra time and lost out by a point in the end. We had six players starting in the championship for the first time with a further four debuts from the bench.

When most supporters think we have made significant progress since last year's debacle, Lotto thinks we are celebrating failure. In Lotto's world, you can somehow push up on the opposition and keep kicking the ball in long, even if you are a man down. Lotto's tactical insight is summed up as `let the players play FFS'. Lotto did not notice the way we rotated our full forwards and pulled Armagh defenders out of possession, resulting in three goals, and obviously missed the sense of purpose which was present across the squad.

There were plenty of handling mistakes and errors of judgment along the way, we have a long way to go and much will depend on the draw for the qualfiiers. However, we have a spirit about us, the younger players are only going to improve and we are begining to look like we might become a team again. It's a start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 21, 2019, 03:03:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 20, 2019, 11:05:56 PM
I've been watching football for 35 years and one thing has remained a constant: when a long ball is kicked in that actually gives an attacker a half a chance of winning, it scares the shit out of defenders.

Most long balls don't work as they're the wrong trajectory (every foot of height gives the defender a few ms more to adjust) or because they're landing near the corner flag and serve little advantage in winning,  or are kicked long just as the attacker is coming short.

But plant it up there and ensure the target has at least some ground support, and fear will rule. At every level.

At the risk of sounding like one of them ould fellas of the flat cap brigade... a long ball in that is gonna bounce on the goaline is about the right flight for asking all sorts of awkward questions of the goalie and fullback.

Particularly if the fullback is already worried about the ball out in front and is marking in front.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on May 21, 2019, 03:55:55 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 20, 2019, 11:21:04 PM
Lotto has clearly forgotten about our last Ulster championship match 12 months ago when Donegal beat us by 13 points without breaking sweat even through we had an extra man for almost an entire hour. This time round, we came up with a strategy to negate Armagh's perceived superiority at midfield until Mooney got himself sent off. We then regrouped, had to cope with the black card for our keeper and then finished very strongly to come from five behind and get a draw. We could have won it in extra time and lost out by a point in the end. We had six players starting in the championship for the first time with a further four debuts from the bench.

When most supporters think we have made significant progress since last year's debacle, Lotto thinks we are celebrating failure. In Lotto's world, you can somehow push up on the opposition and keep kicking the ball in long, even if you are a man down. Lotto's tactical insight is summed up as `let the players play FFS'. Lotto did not notice the way we rotated our full forwards and pulled Armagh defenders out of possession, resulting in three goals, and obviously missed the sense of purpose which was present across the squad.

There were plenty of handling mistakes and errors of judgment along the way, we have a long way to go and much will depend on the draw for the qualfiiers. However, we have a spirit about us, the younger players are only going to improve and we are begining to look like we might become a team again. It's a start.

Well said.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on May 23, 2019, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 20, 2019, 05:15:26 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on May 20, 2019, 04:41:47 PM
Ryan Mallon came on and was then taken off. Was this tactical or was he injured?
If it was the former then I think that could be the last we will see of him in the red and black

He was taken off because of his inability to lift the ball but rather chose to put his toe in it, a decision which ended up with the ball in our net within 20 seconds. Head down and run hard is all he has ever been about with very poor decision making throw in, I'm sure Armagh would have rather he had stayed on as he offered nothing.

Every player can make a mistake; taking a lad off so shortly after being brought on was an unnecessary humiliation. Mallon is a county standard footballer, and would be an excellent full-back; I agree further up the field he is less effective
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on May 23, 2019, 05:31:01 PM
Quote from: befair on May 23, 2019, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 20, 2019, 05:15:26 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on May 20, 2019, 04:41:47 PM
Ryan Mallon came on and was then taken off. Was this tactical or was he injured?
If it was the former then I think that could be the last we will see of him in the red and black

He was taken off because of his inability to lift the ball but rather chose to put his toe in it, a decision which ended up with the ball in our net within 20 seconds. Head down and run hard is all he has ever been about with very poor decision making throw in, I'm sure Armagh would have rather he had stayed on as he offered nothing.

Every player can make a mistake; taking a lad off so shortly after being brought on was an unnecessary humiliation. Mallon is a county standard footballer, and would be an excellent full-back; I agree further up the field he is less effective

I even suggested to another fan that Mallon would have been better suited to go in to full back when they brought Poland back on..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 23, 2019, 10:16:48 PM
Another big win for Ballyholland tonight. Big second half for them coming from 4 points down in last 10 minutes. Mooney playing for Rostrevor so I take it games are not starred. Leaves Ballyholland in a good position after a pooor start. Fair play to them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on May 24, 2019, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 23, 2019, 10:16:48 PM
Another big win for Ballyholland tonight. Big second half for them coming from 4 points down in last 10 minutes. Mooney playing for Rostrevor so I take it games are not starred. Leaves Ballyholland in a good position after a pooor start. Fair play to them

Why would these games be starred when Down dont play until 8th June?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 24, 2019, 01:05:38 PM
Who said they were you clown? Get off that high horse that you are on. Are you looking to make a few friends
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 24, 2019, 05:38:49 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 24, 2019, 01:05:38 PM
Who said they were you clown? Get off that high horse that you are on. Are you looking to make a few friends

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on May 27, 2019, 10:54:57 AM
Tipp at home then.

They haven't been going well this year with just one win Div 2. Looks like a winnable game if the Down men can bring the same energy and never say die attitude back to Newry as was on display the last day.

I'm thinking a win, which will give our young lads the experience they will need for the future ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 27, 2019, 10:21:40 PM
After Monaghan, Tipperary were probably the second toughest draw we could have got. While their league form was poor, they were still a division above us  and they had a particularly impressive win over Donegal. They have had a decent record over the last few seasons, thanks to an astute manager and one of the best full forwards in the country, although their championship defeat against Limerick must be a good sign for us. A home tie probably helps us but our record  in Newry over the last four years has been disappointing. If we can find a full back, and use our younger players properly, we should be capable of getting another day out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 27, 2019, 11:05:31 PM
This will be a massive test for this young squad and if they can get through it they will be given some boost. It's a game that Down can win but one that they can also loose easily. My big worry would be Sweeney and Quinlivan in the full forward line. It is probably our weakest line and Tipperary strongest. I would prefer to play Tipp than Fermanagh though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 29, 2019, 10:09:33 PM
Result from tonight's U20's match, Down 7-13 Armagh 0-12
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 29, 2019, 10:52:30 PM
Some scoreline. What's the Leo Murphy development league though?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 29, 2019, 11:28:49 PM
Think its some sort of pre championship competition
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 30, 2019, 09:40:50 AM
Down footballers do not win many matches by 22 points at any level so it was quite a result. When the same two teams met at the same venue in the former u21 championship three years, Armagh won by exactly the same margin. Last night's outcome would suggest there is some substance to the good reports coming out of the Mourne Academy, and there is no doubt that the 2018 u20 side should at least have made the Ulster final. However, given the dire record of our underage squads over the last decade, we probably need to wait under until later in the year before drawing conclusions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 30, 2019, 11:58:03 AM
Is it the same management team involved with the U20's as last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 30, 2019, 07:29:22 PM
 Any line-out of the Down team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 30, 2019, 08:59:03 PM
Looking at pictures on facebook lineup seemed to be
1. Jack Hazzard
2. ?
3. Finn McElroy
4. Ronan Harrison
5. John McGeough
6. ?
7. Conor Clarke
8. Liam Middleton
9. Ross Carr
10. ?
11. Shane Annett
12. ?
13. Ryan McEvoy
14. Liam Kerr
15. ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 31, 2019, 06:48:05 AM
Ruairi McCormack CPN
Aardan McAvoy Burren
Declan McClements Loughinisland
Ryan Martin Mayobridge

This is probably Down's best underage team in many years and I would expect them to get to at least an ulster final. Some serious players on that team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 31, 2019, 12:49:18 PM
One missing is Cathal Gorman (NEWRY Shamrocks)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on May 31, 2019, 03:26:32 PM
There is the makings of a fine footballer in Finn McElroy, if he could just keep focused on the game itself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 31, 2019, 04:07:19 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on May 31, 2019, 03:26:32 PM
There is the makings of a fine footballer in Finn McElroy, if he could just keep focused on the game itself.
He played against our club a few weeks back and bombed up and down the pitch from full back. Serious athlete that will probably be better suited to half back once he has more experiance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 01, 2019, 09:18:38 AM
CPN beat again last night against an average Downpatrick side. We have started the season off very poorly and look a shadow of the team that played so well last year. Looking at the league table and I'm starting to worry anyone on 7 teams look likely to get dragged in. Burren Kilcoo Clonduff and Loughinisland pulling away from the rest. It is a massive 3 weeks ahead for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 01, 2019, 11:23:06 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 01, 2019, 09:18:38 AM
CPN beat again last night against an average Downpatrick side. We have started the season off very poorly and look a shadow of the team that played so well last year. Looking at the league table and I'm starting to worry anyone on 7 teams look likely to get dragged in. Burren Kilcoo Clonduff and Loughinisland pulling away from the rest. It is a massive 3 weeks ahead for us.

at least you are in the big 4. cant take that away from.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 01, 2019, 11:27:52 AM
Are we not? I really don't know where the argument is here
Semi final of championship
CPN
BURREN
MAYOBRIDGE
KILCOO

League finish
BURREN
MAYOBRIDGE
CPN
KILCOO

What am I missing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on June 01, 2019, 02:51:08 PM
Your marbles
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Niall Quinn on June 02, 2019, 03:47:50 AM
and a question mark
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on June 04, 2019, 10:07:06 PM
Another impressive win for the u20's this evening against Meath, any idea of the starting 15? Down Twitter account is pretty much useless.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Rodders88 on June 05, 2019, 12:26:22 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 01, 2019, 09:18:38 AM
CPN beat again last night against an average Downpatrick side. We have started the season off very poorly and look a shadow of the team that played so well last year. Looking at the league table and I’m starting to worry anyone on 7 teams look likely to get dragged in. Burren Kilcoo Clonduff and Loughinisland pulling away from the rest. It is a massive 3 weeks ahead for us.

Smurfy....would hardly say Loughinisland are pulling away from the rest. The 3 teams directly below them (CPN, Mayobridge & Rostrevor) are only a point behind  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on June 06, 2019, 09:59:49 PM
Any word of the Down team for Sunday being named? Are Donnelly and Ryan Johnson still out injured?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 08, 2019, 08:56:39 AM
Flynn for Mooney
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 08, 2019, 11:58:20 AM
I see Dubs get their red cards cancelled but no other county does.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 08, 2019, 01:40:02 PM
Mooney's red card was dubious but, if the authorities were really out to get us, he could have had his suspension extended for the incidents on the pitch at the end of normal time. He was involved in very similar conduct at the final whistle in his previous championship appearance, against Cavan last summer. While Mooney is a very talented player, and capable of turning a match on a good day, he is not a teenager any more and he must know that he is not much use to the team when sitting in the stand.

Tally surprised most of us by starting his named team in the USC but there must be a fair chance of a couple of late changes tomorrow. It is likely to be a  tight game in which a repeat of the overall Armagh performance, apart from carrying the ball into tackles, might get us over the line. The big concern is our erratic home form against a side who have an excellent record on the road.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 09, 2019, 06:55:22 PM
A win is a win but we made it hard for ourselves. Some poor shooting in first half allowed them to stay in the game and if Burns hadn't made a fine save half way through the second half we could have been in trouble.
Some of the lads who did well the last day literally took their eye off the ball; a Down shirt has to be earned.
Full back line and McKernan good at the back, midfield ok although surprised to see Poland go off. Havern, Harrison pick of the starting forward line but Laverty and particularly Quinn were excellent when they came on,
Don' think there was a card of any colour- long time since I saw a game like that.
Avoid Mayo and Tyrone and we might get another couple of days out- Up Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on June 09, 2019, 07:45:55 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 09, 2019, 06:55:22 PM
A win is a win but we made it hard for ourselves. Some poor shooting in first half allowed them to stay in the game and if Burns hadn't made a fine save half way through the second half we could have been in trouble.
Some of the lads who did well the last day literally took their eye off the ball; a Down shirt has to be earned.
Full back line and McKernan good at the back, midfield ok although surprised to see Poland go off. Havern, Harrison pick of the starting forward line but Laverty and particularly Quinn were excellent when they came on,
Don' think there was a card of any colour- long time since I saw a game like that.
Avoid Mayo and Tyrone and we might get another couple of days out- Up Down.
was very surprised Laverty didnt feature against Armagh considering he would probably be the next most athletic player to mooney. Cory Quinn is a class footballer and really excels in this early 2nd half sub role
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 09, 2019, 08:58:02 PM
Not too many posts here about the Tipperary game which probably indicates that it was a gutsy but  largely unconvincing display against an ordinary Tipperary side. We should have been well clear in the first quarter, but found ourselves behind after conceding a goal very easily. We were then in control for most of the second half but only a brilliant save from Burns prevented a second soft goal which might well have finished us off. While there is no problem over our fitness, we could really do with a favourable draw tomorrow.

Our kick-outs were a familiar problem, although most of the defenders did reasonably well individually and O'Hagan was brilliant as usual. Flynn worked hard at midfield without creating much while Poland was replaced ten minutes before the break so the return of Mooney will be a boost.

The forwards seemed to lack confidence after some glaring early misses from both frees and open play, but Havern eventually came of age as a county player and Harrison was always a threat. O'Hare barely touched the ball apart from his regular habit of scoring a crucial goal and the star of the show was Quinn coming off the bench. He has a football brain which allows him to find time and space and there is a touch of swagger about his shooting.

Tally may not have picked the right team from the start but he got all his changes right and reads the game well. If we could just move the ball faster, we are capable of putting it up to most of the potential opposition in the second round
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on June 09, 2019, 09:28:07 PM
Tally took of Havern who was playing well and he put on Devlin who, apart from being a good left footed free taker, is not worthy of a county jersey. He refuses to go direct on the first half but it is our most successful tactic!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 09, 2019, 11:35:35 PM
Town Gael has confused his subs, as Devlin came on for Poland ten minutes before half time, played pretty well and scored an important point from play. Havern was not taken off until the closing stages when he had run himself into the ground and his replacement, Barry O'Hagan, got what was effectively the winning score. Down definitely should be more direct but we had difficulty working the ball into the right positions against a well organised Tipperary defence. However, if we keep switching Harrison and Havern with Quinn coming off the bench, we can trouble plenty of sides.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 10, 2019, 05:11:07 AM
Quote from: Town Gael on June 09, 2019, 09:28:07 PM
Tally took of Havern who was playing well and he put on Devlin who, apart from being a good left footed free taker, is not worthy of a county jersey. He refuses to go direct on the first half but it is our most successful tactic!

You are letting tribal bias skew rational objectivity there young man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on June 10, 2019, 12:38:53 PM
Next round
Mayo v Down at Newry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 10, 2019, 01:04:58 PM
Yes - fortress Newry.

When was the last time we played Mayo? We beat them in Castlebar in the league 2011 I think it was but they stuffed us in Croke Park in 2012 maybe? Did they come to Newry in the league in 2012 also?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 10, 2019, 01:19:08 PM
Great draw for down,  low expectations, huge pressure on mayo and Horan. They can go gung ho with a full house roaring them on. I'm going to have a wee bet at the 11/2 paddy power are offering.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 10, 2019, 01:32:41 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on June 10, 2019, 01:04:58 PM
Yes - fortress Newry.

When was the last time we played Mayo? We beat them in Castlebar in the league 2011 I think it was but they stuffed us in Croke Park in 2012 maybe? Did they come to Newry in the league in 2012 also?

Lost in the league in 2016 by a couple of points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on June 10, 2019, 01:54:29 PM
Excellent draw; should be a great occasion, + Mayo always seem vulnerable at this stage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on June 10, 2019, 01:55:31 PM
I presume this won't affect club fixtures on the Friday night, that those games will be starred
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on June 10, 2019, 06:20:36 PM
Games are starred this weekend for senior and U20 players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 11, 2019, 08:19:56 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on June 10, 2019, 01:04:58 PM
Yes - fortress Newry.

When was the last time we played Mayo? We beat them in Castlebar in the league 2011 I think it was but they stuffed us in Croke Park in 2012 maybe? Did they come to Newry in the league in 2012 also?

Pretty sure that 2011 match in Castlebar was a draw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on June 11, 2019, 09:46:01 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on June 10, 2019, 06:20:36 PM
Games are starred this weekend for senior and U20 players

It will depend when the game against Mayo will take place whether Fridays nights fixtures are starred or not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on June 11, 2019, 09:54:00 AM
What about next week's round of club fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 11, 2019, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 11, 2019, 08:19:56 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on June 10, 2019, 01:04:58 PM
Yes - fortress Newry.

When was the last time we played Mayo? We beat them in Castlebar in the league 2011 I think it was but they stuffed us in Croke Park in 2012 maybe? Did they come to Newry in the league in 2012 also?

Pretty sure that 2011 match in Castlebar was a draw

Maybe - I remember leaving feeling like we'd won. They had Aidan O'Shea sent off. How many remain for Down from that day - Maginn and McKernan only I guess.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 11, 2019, 10:23:40 AM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on June 10, 2019, 01:04:58 PM
Yes - fortress Newry.

When was the last time we played Mayo? We beat them in Castlebar in the league 2011 I think it was but they stuffed us in Croke Park in 2012 maybe? Did they come to Newry in the league in 2012 also?

In 2016? Ye were already relegated. Mayo won 1-19 to 1-16.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on June 11, 2019, 12:11:30 PM
Quote from: outinfront on June 11, 2019, 09:54:00 AM
What about next week's round of club fixtures?

They definitely will be starred.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on June 11, 2019, 12:36:33 PM
This weeks Club fixtures for clubs who have county panellists on Seniors or U20's have been pulled. The following weeks fixtures will be starred for all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on June 11, 2019, 02:10:56 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on June 11, 2019, 12:36:33 PM
This weeks Club fixtures for clubs who have county panellists on Seniors or U20's have been pulled. The following weeks fixtures will be starred for all.
You can be sure the club games next week will be canceled as well; this is why we lose out to soccer, where players are guaranteed regular games. It's only a 2nd round qualifier FFS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on June 11, 2019, 02:29:10 PM
Why is this week's pulled and next week starred? Because of the u20s this week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: gaaman2016 on June 11, 2019, 02:41:37 PM
On starred fixtures, as there is an odd number of teams in the divisions, does a team that has a bye on a starred round not get an unfair advantage?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on June 11, 2019, 06:19:34 PM
Actually just noticed that u20s have their championship game the following week. What's the difference in this week and next week? Surely star both weeks or call off both weeks? Cannot understand the logic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on June 12, 2019, 11:10:39 AM
Games can be starred if they are within 6 days of a qualifier match. Obv teams have objected to this weeks matches but should be no issues for next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on June 12, 2019, 12:12:19 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on June 12, 2019, 11:10:39 AM
Games can be starred if they are within 6 days of a qualifier match. Obv teams have objected to this weeks matches but should be no issues for next week.

There is a county bye law which states that the county board are only allowed to star so many games in the season
Title: FAO Johnneycool
Post by: No1 on June 13, 2019, 10:17:46 AM
What's the craic with Diarmuid O'Sullivan along the line with the hurlers?  Is he part of the management team or just drafted in for important games?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on June 13, 2019, 10:51:18 AM

He's been up a few times for training sessions and the like on an Ad-hoc basis from what I can make out.

They've done well to date, but Meath are a step up and are rightly favourites.

No size but plenty of speed in the Down hurlers, especially in the forwards. Will be interesting to see how they get on in Croke Park.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 13, 2019, 05:22:20 PM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on June 11, 2019, 02:41:37 PM
On starred fixtures, as there is an odd number of teams in the divisions, does a team that has a bye on a starred round not get an unfair advantage?

An omelette needs a few broken eggs. 10 team top flights next year will free up weekends and make less need for starred games.

I'd guess CCC knew in advance they'd have to pull this week's fixtures, and trying to star them was a hopeful punt. But as far as I know there's no limit to the games that can be starred, as long as the championship match is within a week of a league round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 15, 2019, 07:20:23 PM
well done to Down U20s today on their winning of the LEO MURPHY cup
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on June 15, 2019, 09:10:01 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 13, 2019, 05:22:20 PM
Quote from: gaaman2016 on June 11, 2019, 02:41:37 PM
On starred fixtures, as there is an odd number of teams in the divisions, does a team that has a bye on a starred round not get an unfair advantage?

An omelette needs a few broken eggs. 10 team top flights next year will free up weekends and make less need for starred games.

I'd guess CCC knew in advance they'd have to pull this week's fixtures, and trying to star them was a hopeful punt. But as far as I know there's no limit to the games that can be starred, as long as the championship match is within a week of a league round.

With 11 team leagues 1 team had a bye and it would have been unfair to star games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Feckmylife on June 18, 2019, 11:32:42 AM


There is a county bye law which states that the county board are only allowed to star so many games in the season
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This used to be the case but somewhere along the way the county board somehow did away with this rule. It used to be a maximum of 5 starred games. In 2017 there were 8 games starred which obviously didn't go down well with some clubs. I think since then they have stuck to Croke Park guidelines of games can only be starred if they are within 6 days of a qualifier.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 18, 2019, 06:56:56 PM
Rumours about that Caolan Mooney and Connaire Harrison are going to be playing club football in London very soon, and through in Jamie Clarke all for the same team!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 18, 2019, 07:21:45 PM
Quote from: Targetman on June 18, 2019, 06:56:56 PM
Rumours about that Caolan Mooney and Connaire Harrison are going to be playing club football in London very soon, and through in Jamie Clarke all for the same team!!

Read that earlier on

http://www.theirishworld.com/armagh-all-star-nominee-jamie-clarke-joins-neasden-gaels/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 18, 2019, 11:31:14 PM
wont affect Down v mayo game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 19, 2019, 10:05:49 PM
Ballyholland  0.11 CPN 1.11 tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 21, 2019, 12:24:38 AM
RGU 3-9 KILCOO 0-16
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 21, 2019, 12:29:49 AM
Fancy Mayo by 5:6 points at least but who knows. If you had of asked me after the Louth match it would have been 20 points but big improvements made. Gives a good day so I would expect 10000 at the match?
Kilcoo fairly stuttering this year what's going on? Nobody is setting the world alight in division 1 but that result gives Downpatrick a chance at avoiding automatic relegation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 22, 2019, 11:48:11 PM
The silence before the Mayo game is nearly as bad as the silence afterwards. Our 'big' players really let us down today. Mc Kernan is well and truly finished costing us dearly both at the back and going forward, Harrison was well held, O'Hare was anonymous like he has been all Summer, Darren gave us so much as always but was rash and got a stupid black. Mooney kept us in the show and was the only man going direct. Our keeper is still a disaster, costing us scores again today and I wonder does the manager ever get anyone to practice frees. The huge investment, financially, in Tally has shown a limited improvement this year but he has blooded a number of new players who will benefit from their experience and I still need to be convinced that this way of playing football is best for us and suits the players we have available to play it. In must say that I have never seen a Down team yap as much at referees, umpires and linesmen in my life.  I mean, it's a mans game, get on with it you were doing the same to Mayo and they never questioned anything. Mayo gave us a lesson in this respect and our players have alot to learn with Tally's Tyrone tactics certainly not working today.

4/10 for the year and I can't see us getting out of Division 3, if the changes then go through for the championship by my reckoning we will in a 'B' championship next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on June 23, 2019, 06:42:44 AM
Not the game I was at. Down,  a division 3 team competed with one of the top 4 teams in the country.while Mayo were the better team we had our chances to win it and every man involved with Down should be proud of their efforts. We are going the right way.  An Dun Abu
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 23, 2019, 07:08:02 AM
I was critical of paddy after the first national league but the turnaround in his team has been brilliant. They play with so much heart and desire it's a joy to watch. They play some fantastic football too. If Francis had of taken that goal it was a one point match and that's only one if 4 goal chances that we had. Down are moving in the right direction and it has been along time coming. It has been a while since I was excited about a young squad with a great future  ahead and with a great under 20 team finally this county can look forward with some optimism. Well done lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 23, 2019, 08:39:42 AM
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Last night was frustrating with the free taking and so many poor wides. We let a great chance of beating Mayo go last night. . I think we gave them 1.02 from poor kickouts. I think we are going in the right direction. Need to unearth more talent. The never say die attitude is a breath if fresh air. Previous Down teams wouldve lay down when mayo got the goal but these guys kept at it and poor finishing cost them. Hopefully it will give them the hunger to improve again next year. Have to get out of a competitive div 3 next year and tgat won't be easy.
Best of luck to the U20s today against Antrim in Clones.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on June 23, 2019, 11:41:26 AM
Quote from: Lotto on June 22, 2019, 11:48:11 PM
The silence before the Mayo game is nearly as bad as the silence afterwards. Our 'big' players really let us down today. Mc Kernan is well and truly finished costing us dearly both at the back and going forward, Harrison was well held, O'Hare was anonymous like he has been all Summer, Darren gave us so much as always but was rash and got a stupid black. Mooney kept us in the show and was the only man going direct. Our keeper is still a disaster, costing us scores again today and I wonder does the manager ever get anyone to practice frees. The huge investment, financially, in Tally has shown a limited improvement this year but he has blooded a number of new players who will benefit from their experience and I still need to be convinced that this way of playing football is best for us and suits the players we have available to play it. In must say that I have never seen a Down team yap as much at referees, umpires and linesmen in my life.  I mean, it's a mans game, get on with it you were doing the same to Mayo and they never questioned anything. Mayo gave us a lesson in this respect and our players have alot to learn with Tally's Tyrone tactics certainly not working today.

4/10 for the year and I can't see us getting out of Division 3, if the changes then go through for the championship by my reckoning we will in a 'B' championship next year.

You are one clown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on June 23, 2019, 02:21:37 PM
Unlucky for Down last night. Worth pointing out that this is a 3 year project and i feel far more confident in Down after this year than at the end of last year. Think Tally is going for a similar approach that McGuinness did with donegal in 2011 and working on perfecting his defensive play this year and then hopefully work on the attacking play next year.
Any one got a line up for the u20 game this morning. Very excited to see a number of these guys in the senior team next year, including Kerr, Middleton, Annett, Hazzard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 24, 2019, 03:33:36 PM
Corey Quinn is some man to leave on the bench for 50 minutes. He awareness, positioning and passing, not to mention his 2 points, were something else. Was it just me or did everything he touch turn to gold for us?

I watched only him for a few minutes after he came on and in that short time I came to the conclusion that he can be one of our best in the years to come and has a football brain second to none. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 27, 2019, 03:01:13 PM
Don't all rush me with answers. I haven't gone away ye know!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on June 27, 2019, 03:45:21 PM
I agree Aristo. He offers something different to that Down forward line and looks more of a threat than most forwards. 5 points in 55 minutes from play is great going.. Is Cory a relation to John Quinn? A great player for Mayobridge when they were winning championships and you can see similarities in their play!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on June 27, 2019, 03:52:21 PM
Quote from: Petergriffin1 on June 27, 2019, 03:45:21 PM
I agree Aristo. He offers something different to that Down forward line and looks more of a threat than most forwards. 5 points in 55 minutes from play is great going.. Is Cory a relation to John Quinn? A great player for Mayobridge when they were winning championships and you can see similarities in their play!
He's John's nephew. Seems a great prospect. Very smart on the ball but willing to take a risk with it for the score at the same time - too many players now go for the easy option every time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 30, 2019, 11:47:58 PM
Havent posted here in a while but I have been a constant peeper, interesting to see the eulogising here a few weeks ago when Down U20s won a development league that consisted of zero of the main challengers in Ulster and had people calling Deegan and Co the new messiahs of Down football and not a mention of todays result anywhere in the one game that really mattered. Also worth noting the absolute shambolic record of King James and his 15 man management team in the U17 championship. Anyone else providing such failure and lack of progress after 4 years would have serious questions to answer of their futures.

Looking forward to All Ireland Final day to see the 1994 team deservedly paraded on the pitch, the only high point of a dismal year, giving us great memories of special days and a team that symbolised the way Down teams should play and not the negative rubbish we are currently subjected to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 01, 2019, 12:31:36 PM
When Down u20s won the Leo Murphy Cup, there was a single post here congratulating the team but making no mention of the management.  It's pretty difficult to see how this amounted to eulogising anyone or claiming that Deegan was the new messiah of Down football. There's no doubt that our underage record has been very poor for many years, and probably hit rock bottom in 2016 when our then u21s lost by 22 points to Armagh in Newry.  Yesterday, our u20s were away to Tyrone, probably the favourites for the competition, and lost by two points. Some of our other development squads have been getting decent results of late, so, while we have a very long way to go, we are certainly not in the position we were three or four seasons ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on July 01, 2019, 12:51:22 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on June 30, 2019, 11:47:58 PM
Havent posted here in a while but I have been a constant peeper, interesting to see the eulogising here a few weeks ago when Down U20s won a development league that consisted of zero of the main challengers in Ulster and had people calling Deegan and Co the new messiahs of Down football and not a mention of todays result anywhere in the one game that really mattered. Also worth noting the absolute shambolic record of King James and his 15 man management team in the U17 championship. Anyone else providing such failure and lack of progress after 4 years would have serious questions to answer of their futures.

Looking forward to All Ireland Final day to see the 1994 team deservedly paraded on the pitch, the only high point of a dismal year, giving us great memories of special days and a team that symbolised the way Down teams should play and not the negative rubbish we are currently subjected to.

Don't you mean "the Down way" Sean Og??   :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on July 01, 2019, 09:32:08 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on July 01, 2019, 12:31:36 PM
When Down u20s won the Leo Murphy Cup, there was a single post here congratulating the team but making no mention of the management.  It's pretty difficult to see how this amounted to eulogising anyone or claiming that Deegan was the new messiah of Down football. There's no doubt that our underage record has been very poor for many years, and probably hit rock bottom in 2016 when our then u21s lost by 22 points to Armagh in Newry.  Yesterday, our u20s were away to Tyrone, probably the favourites for the competition, and lost by two points. Some of our other development squads have been getting decent results of late, so, while we have a very long way to go, we are certainly not in the position we were three or four seasons ago.
Derry got to the all Ireland final and beaten by a David Clifford inspired Kerry while Cavan were beaten by a David Clifford inspired Kerry in the semi final at that age at minor level so they would be the favourites at u20s for ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 01, 2019, 11:13:14 PM
Derry are certainly capable of winning the u20 Ulster title but they will have to cope wih the loss of Callum Brown and Anton Tohill to Australia.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on July 02, 2019, 12:02:46 PM
CPN let the game slip away badly last night against Burren. Great game to watch right to the final whistle. I thought the ref done well and kept the game moving, although a few around me thought he let too much go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on July 02, 2019, 03:25:33 PM
And if they blow only some of the time, they aren't being consistent!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on July 02, 2019, 10:01:58 PM
Good game to watch have to say though burren looked like they could score a goal every time they went down the field 2nd half. CPN just never seem to be able to win nip and tuck games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 05, 2019, 09:28:39 PM
Back to winning ways tonight for CPN. Good away victory. What is going on in Mayobridge a team who I thought would push on after last year. A shadow of the team I seen play last year. They look so unfit something they normally pride themselves on. Could they possibly get relagated surely not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 05, 2019, 09:55:07 PM
Was at this game myself and really it was a 2 point hammering, CPN always in control and won with ease, as for the Bridge they're in a spot of bother and Ballyholland getting a win adds to it, McKeever has his work cut out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 05, 2019, 10:08:56 PM
How can a team go downhill so quickly. Looks like my big four is now a 3. CPN can now concentrate on the big one with league status secured after tonight. Roll on August
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 07, 2019, 06:05:28 AM
Best of luck today to former Kilclief hurler and footballer Cormac Sharvin, in the final round of the Irish Open in Lahinch. Could be a career defining weekend and has been in great form all year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 24, 2019, 07:54:50 AM
How come the ratification of minor and u20 county managers was hurried through at the last county board meeting, are clubs views on the subject now ignored, u20 performance has improved so Conor deserves another stint but the minors record under James McCartan  has been abysmal, there should have been a serious rethink on that position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 24, 2019, 03:03:32 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on July 24, 2019, 07:54:50 AM
How come the ratification of minor and u20 county managers was hurried through at the last county board meeting, are clubs views on the subject now ignored, u20 performance has improved so Conor deserves another stint but the minors record under James McCartan  has been abysmal, there should have been a serious rethink on that position.
I wouldn't be so sure either deserve another year. McCartan has had a terrible record over the minors. Deegan blew a 10 point lead to Derry last year and this year's 1st half performance against Tyrone must have serious questions over his ability to manage. Winning a pre championship tournament should have no bearing on that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on July 24, 2019, 11:12:03 PM
So what's the story with the mayobridge house draw? They must be disappointed.  Some work gone into it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on July 25, 2019, 09:29:27 AM
Surely it was overly ambitious from the start.

The income target I heard was beyond enormous so much so it would have been tough enough for the county to generate the ticket numbers required, never mind a single club.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 25, 2019, 10:41:54 AM
How much were they looking to lift? Kildress lifted £474k and Moneyglass lifted over 400k as well. If the will is there there is money to be made.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on July 25, 2019, 10:47:59 AM
Quote from: Last Caress on July 24, 2019, 11:12:03 PM
So what's the story with the mayobridge house draw? They must be disappointed.  Some work gone into it.

What happened? Thought the draw was in August
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on July 25, 2019, 10:57:57 AM
Important Notice

To Friends of Mayobridge GAC

24th July 2019

Dear Members

It is with huge regret that we need to inform you that our planned A1 House Draw is not going to proceed on 17th August 2019 as advertised.

Friends of Mayobridge was set up with the specific aim to establish a development fund for the purposes of extending the playing fields and facilities in Mayobridge GAC for the benefit of present and future members.

The committee has recently received notification from the PSNI that there have been a small number of complaints about the draw arising from the antiquated and unsuitable legislation that currently governs this area, and that they will be compelled to open an investigation if the draw were to continue. While we are adamant that the Club has at all times acted appropriately, we are saddened to say that we can no longer operate the draw.
As a member of the Friends of Mayobridge club, we greatly value your support of the club and its charitable endeavours. We sincerely hope that you will continue to show support for our club.  However, should you wish to rescind your membership, your subscription will be refunded. All members will be contacted directly by email or telephone within 14 days. For further information please contact us on
friendsofmayobridge@gmail.com.

We wish to take this opportunity to thank all those who have supported us to date and look forward to your continued support.

Rosemary Magee, Chairperson Friends of Mayobridge GAC
Mairead Rooney, Chairperson Mayobridge GAC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on July 25, 2019, 11:30:47 AM
Bound to be very disappointing for them - huge work had gone in.

Considering other clubs have ran successful draws it seems strange that some legislation has stopped it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 25, 2019, 11:54:05 AM
Extremely disappointed for the Bridge, progressive club and a good club, the dickheads who have gone out of their way to make mischief should bow their heads in shame, I doubt we will see these individuals supporting a GAA team , is it jealousy or just an evil mindset, don't let the begrudges get you down Mayobridge GAC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on July 25, 2019, 03:06:46 PM
Definitely malevolent forces at work. Would have been great earner from what I hear.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on July 25, 2019, 07:57:32 PM
Nothing to do with low ticket sales then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 25, 2019, 08:28:03 PM
Quote from: Lotto on July 25, 2019, 07:57:32 PM
Nothing to do with low ticket sales then?

I enjoy an open mind on any matter. But Jesus that's one cynical and downright disrespectful comment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on July 25, 2019, 08:38:56 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 25, 2019, 08:28:03 PM
Quote from: Lotto on July 25, 2019, 07:57:32 PM
Nothing to do with low ticket sales then?

I enjoy an open mind on any matter. But Jesus that's one cynical and downright disrespectful comment.

Just asking the question. I know the sales weren't wonderful a few months back. And tell me this Wobbler, do you know how many tickets were sold?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 25, 2019, 10:41:29 PM
Lotto I have to agree with Wobbler, that's one crass and disrespectful remark, take Mayobridges post for what it is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on July 25, 2019, 11:18:37 PM
If it's some legal technicality it's a lesson for other organisations to be aware this. An unfortunate situation for them. Real task trying to refund those who wish to be refunded.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: delgany on July 25, 2019, 11:25:42 PM
For the draw to be legit under current legislation , every person taking part, has to be a member of the club.  Surely they could make everyone an Honorary member for the draw ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: naka on July 26, 2019, 07:44:49 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on July 25, 2019, 10:41:29 PM
Lotto I have to agree with Wobbler, that's one crass and disrespectful remark, take Mayobridges post for what it is.
Tickets I believe far in excess of the number needed and that's from a reliable source.
I heard 4 separate complaints about the draw caused the psni stir.
The issue is clearly that they are in breach of the gambling rules.
They should have set up a special class of membership at £100 with everyone getting free entry into a draw for a house.( or something along those lines).
Clearly an unfortunate episode.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sportacus on July 26, 2019, 07:46:59 PM
There are some very hard working people behind the scenes in Mayobridge.  I hope they find a way through this and the powers that be can give us all some clarity for the future.  Anyone casting negativity at this should maybe just keep their thoughts to themselves, or better still roll their own sleeves up and do a bit of ticket selling for their own club, generally a thankless task. 

In the bigger picture, GAA clubs, and other sports, do such great work giving young people a pathway, it amazes me that more public funding isn't available.  It's wasted on so many other things.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: APM on July 26, 2019, 07:59:50 PM
Could they finish up better off if most people don't ask for their money back and they still have the house?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 01, 2019, 01:28:43 PM
Kilcoo seem to be coming into form and most likely to finish top; disappointing to see Clonduff's challenge fade, as I thought they looked very strong earlier in the year. Surprised to see Mayobridge in the relegation dogfight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 02, 2019, 11:00:33 AM
Quote from: befair on August 01, 2019, 01:28:43 PM
Kilcoo seem to be coming into form and most likely to finish top; disappointing to see Clonduff's challenge fade, as I thought they looked very strong earlier in the year. Surprised to see Mayobridge in the relegation dogfight
Some dogfight indeed, 4 teams joint bottom on 10 points and 1 on 12, going down to the wire. Into championship so may see the odd strange result
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on August 03, 2019, 12:46:01 AM
Top four is looking tight too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on August 03, 2019, 06:14:32 PM
Does this mean the mighty Warrenpoint are no longer  in the top 4 in the county, I think smurfy was banging on about it earlier, any shocks forecast in the championship, can't see the point winning
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 09, 2019, 05:59:21 PM
The championship seems a dead duck, i detect v little interest. It's either Kilcoo or Burren, and the back door renders all the early games fairly meaningless
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 09, 2019, 09:56:13 PM
What makes you think there's no interest in it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on August 09, 2019, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: befair on August 09, 2019, 05:59:21 PM
The championship seems a dead duck, i detect v little interest. It's either Kilcoo or Burren, and the back door renders all the early games fairly meaningless


Let me guess, you're 'a glass half empty' kinda guy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on August 10, 2019, 08:50:03 AM
 Betfair, just sit at home, no point on you going to any matches, you must of stood outside some games and took a straw poll to gage interest, your typical of a minority of supporters who just like to moan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 10, 2019, 08:59:16 AM
I'd say you would have to go back to 2002 or so to find the last time the Down SFC was anything but a one horse or two horse race.

This doesn't make it a dead duck, but personally I've never seen the need/will for a back door in an uncompetitive championship. In this year's iteration, the chances of both Burren and Kilcoo being beaten twice by anyone other than each other, would be next to none. So when we all re-enter as back door teams, it's sadly just to make up the numbers.

After seeing Glasdrumman pulling out this week, it put a feeling in my head that if it was possible for clubs to indicate pre-championship whether they wish to use or decline a "back door pass", I'd expect 50%+ of clubs would decline.

Hopefully our championship gets more competitive soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 10, 2019, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: maldini on August 09, 2019, 09:56:13 PM
What makes you think there's no interest in it

The scarcity of comments on this forum is just one example
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on August 10, 2019, 06:25:52 PM
Wobbler , your right that the back door system leads to some mid matches and I sympathise with teams like Glassdrumman who get thumped first day out and don't fancy a repeat dose, a straight knock out competition is what is needed but that will deprive the county of much needed revenue, but that's what's needed to inject a bit of added interest in our championships
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 10, 2019, 07:38:23 PM
Waterlogged pitch in Kilcoo tonight so both the IFC and SFC games were postponed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 10, 2019, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 10, 2019, 07:38:23 PM
Waterlogged pitch in Kilcoo tonight so both the IFC and SFC games were postponed.

An absolute farce if I'm honest..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on August 10, 2019, 09:29:29 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 10, 2019, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 10, 2019, 07:38:23 PM
Waterlogged pitch in Kilcoo tonight so both the IFC and SFC games were postponed.

An absolute farce if I'm honest..
Did you see pictures of the pitch. Goalkeepers area was basically a swimming pool
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 10, 2019, 09:47:51 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 10, 2019, 09:29:29 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 10, 2019, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 10, 2019, 07:38:23 PM
Waterlogged pitch in Kilcoo tonight so both the IFC and SFC games were postponed.

An absolute farce if I'm honest..
Did you see pictures of the pitch. Goalkeepers area was basically a swimming pool

I did as I was at it.. that swimming pool was gone in about 15 seconds. However I've no issue with the postponements.. they stripped the main pitch and started to set up the back pitch, still charging and allowing cars in when cars where streaming out of the place. Communication was shite..
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Post by: supersub on August 10, 2019, 11:41:21 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 10, 2019, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on August 10, 2019, 07:38:23 PM
Waterlogged pitch in Kilcoo tonight so both the IFC and SFC games were postponed.

An absolute farce if I'm honest..

It's not really a farce though is it? Very bad weather, 4 teams, 4 sets of supporters, two different throw in times, one road in and out, not the easiest to manage I'd imagine. Probably tried all they could to get at least one played and left to the last minute to decide. These things happen, move on.
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Post by: terrifictommy on August 11, 2019, 10:59:28 AM
All the football played this weekend and the topic is a waterlogged pitch. This is ridiculous.
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Post by: Godsown on August 11, 2019, 05:17:54 PM
Some guys just look at any opportunity to moan. Grow up
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Post by: Ambrose on August 11, 2019, 10:17:35 PM
Mayobridge 2-14
Burren.       0-19
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Post by: Last Caress on August 11, 2019, 10:19:49 PM
Followed the Burren v Mayobridge game on twitter. Close game. How was it to watch?
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Post by: ciaran1988 on August 12, 2019, 03:52:46 PM
How do we see tonight's games going
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Post by: terrifictommy on August 12, 2019, 08:08:35 PM
Glenn
Breadth
Downpatrick/Rostrevor will be close

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Post by: champion1981 on August 12, 2019, 10:15:54 PM
Where has downjim gone? I hope he is well😉
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Post by: befair on August 12, 2019, 10:31:10 PM
Comfortable win for Rostrevor; Bredagh's win was a surprise
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Post by: Cuan12 on August 13, 2019, 07:35:06 AM
Some interesting match ups in rd2 of SFC, Belfast derby will be interesting pits Bundie against the Doc, two good coaches who the county board should note of,if they are looking for replacements for wee James or Conor Deegan, after all they wouldn't have much to follow in terms of results , especially the minor management.
Who knows.
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Post by: Square Ball on August 13, 2019, 01:09:43 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 12, 2019, 08:08:35 PM
Glenn
Breadth
Downpatrick/Rostrevor will be close
Not too many would have given us a chance, 6 up at the break and the got it to 1, but we got the goal to close it out, was a good game, others may not think so. bookies had it us +6 10/11 or something like that. A derby in the second round of the SFC would have been unthinkable 7 or 8 years ago.
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Post by: SamFever on August 13, 2019, 03:51:37 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 13, 2019, 01:09:43 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 12, 2019, 08:08:35 PM
Glenn
Breadth
Downpatrick/Rostrevor will be close
Not too many would have given us a chance, 6 up at the break and the got it to 1, but we got the goal to close it out, was a good game, others may not think so. bookies had it us +6 10/11 or something like that. A derby in the second round of the SFC would have been unthinkable 7 or 8 years ago.
A side show.None of them will be there after the quarter finals.
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Post by: befair on August 13, 2019, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: SamFever on August 13, 2019, 03:51:37 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 13, 2019, 01:09:43 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 12, 2019, 08:08:35 PM
Glenn
Breadth
Downpatrick/Rostrevor will be close
Not too many would have given us a chance, 6 up at the break and the got it to 1, but we got the goal to close it out, was a good game, others may not think so. bookies had it us +6 10/11 or something like that. A derby in the second round of the SFC would have been unthinkable 7 or 8 years ago.
A side show.None of them will be there after the quarter finals.
Don't agree; apart from Kilcoo (+perhaps Burren, if they can regroup), all the others are closely matched. Loughinisland might be the most dangerous
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Post by: SamFever on August 13, 2019, 05:30:13 PM
Quote from: befair on August 13, 2019, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: SamFever on August 13, 2019, 03:51:37 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 13, 2019, 01:09:43 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 12, 2019, 08:08:35 PM
Glenn
Breadth
Downpatrick/Rostrevor will be close
Not too many would have given us a chance, 6 up at the break and the got it to 1, but we got the goal to close it out, was a good game, others may not think so. bookies had it us +6 10/11 or something like that. A derby in the second round of the SFC would have been unthinkable 7 or 8 years ago.
A side show.None of them will be there after the quarter finals.
Don't agree; apart from Kilcoo (+perhaps Burren, if they can regroup), all the others are closely matched. Loughinisland might be the most dangerous
Mayobridge may disagree with that.
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Post by: terrifictommy on August 13, 2019, 09:17:49 PM
Sam, I'd pretty much agree but does depend how the draw fares out. I'd bet Teconnaught didn't think they'd make Rd 3!
Bredagh and Carryduff are both good sides, they've come a long way over the last 5/6 years but need to get to Division 1 and stay to maintain that momentum.
Kilcoo for the big one, Glenn for IFC.
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Post by: Square Ball on August 14, 2019, 10:43:03 AM
Kilcoo Senior
Darragh Cross for IFC
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Post by: Petergriffin1 on August 14, 2019, 02:03:57 PM
Glenn for IFC, young Joe Sands looks a very good player for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: banker on August 15, 2019, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: Petergriffin1 on August 14, 2019, 02:03:57 PM
Glenn for IFC, young Joe Sands looks a very good player for them.

Young Paddy Brooks was the standout player on Monday evening for Glenn. Serious pace, power and skill for a lad that age!
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Post by: elk on August 15, 2019, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: banker on August 15, 2019, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: Petergriffin1 on August 14, 2019, 02:03:57 PM
Glenn for IFC, young Joe Sands looks a very good player for them.

Young Paddy Brooks was the standout player on Monday evening for Glenn. Serious pace, power and skill for a lad that age!
God help whoever Glenn play next
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Post by: Godsown on August 15, 2019, 07:00:42 PM
GCSE Results out next week? Hoganstand not available?
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Post by: Cuan12 on August 15, 2019, 10:01:51 PM
With that many young players Glenn must be a cert for u12.5 championship , some dummy tits getting thrown out of the pram if they get beat.
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Post by: umpire on August 15, 2019, 10:30:06 PM
This is my picks for next week SFC
Longstone, Ballyholland, Burren, Bryansford, Mayobridge, Bredagh, Clonduff and Kilcoo.
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Post by: befair on August 17, 2019, 01:20:40 PM
Relegation battle heating up; wins for Ballyholland, Mayobridge, Bryansford and Downpatrick. RGN's win in Burren a big shock
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Post by: terrifictommy on August 18, 2019, 07:19:59 PM
What's the story with Burren, weakened side for champ? Didn't see their champ defeat coming either. Big game on Friday for them too. Relegation is boiling up nicely, anyone form 6 could go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 18, 2019, 08:41:27 PM
Have the RGU/Ballyholland games been factored in? And what about Clonduff/Kilcoo?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 18, 2019, 10:42:54 PM
What's up with Castlewellan league champions 2 years ago now looking at relegation, if rgu or ballyholland stay up fair play to them with the suspensions and 2 less games
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Post by: Square Ball on August 19, 2019, 01:19:31 PM
very close at the bottom of Div 2 as well, its bottom two down with the the next two playing off and the loser relegated.
Position   Team                      Played        Points
7   Saval                               17      12
8   Sabhaill Naomh Pádraig       17      12
9   St John's Drumnaquoile       16      11
10   Liatroim                               13      5
11   Tullylish                               16      4

Tullylish doomed, Liatroim need at least 4 wins to get out of the bottom 2 and into the play offs
Liatroim to play st Johns, Glenn, Tullylish Saul, An Riocht and Darragh twice.
St Johns have to play Liatroim, Longstone, Bredagh and Tullylish
Saul to play Darragh, Liatroim and Saval
Saval to play An Roicht, Saul and Darragh.

some 4 pointers there
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Post by: maldini on August 19, 2019, 02:53:49 PM
Liatroim have given themselves too much to do I think
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Post by: ApresMatch on August 19, 2019, 03:27:30 PM
Saul to join Tullylish in bottom two. Liatroim to join them after a playoff defeat to St Johns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 19, 2019, 03:37:17 PM
how Many is it from Div 1 this year? 2?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 19, 2019, 03:47:06 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 19, 2019, 03:37:17 PM
how Many is it from Div 1 this year? 2?

Yes, 1 up two down, all the divisions should end up with 10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 19, 2019, 05:41:28 PM
Can't see liatroim staying up there local derby next year could well be the fin
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Post by: maldini on August 20, 2019, 10:00:34 AM
What dates are the senior, intermediate and junior finals scheduled for?
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Post by: Hedgehunter on August 20, 2019, 10:19:53 PM
What went on in the Kilcoo CPN game? The small clip online is pretty shocking to say the least.
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Post by: befair on August 20, 2019, 11:41:37 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 20, 2019, 10:19:53 PM
What went on in the Kilcoo CPN game? The small clip online is pretty shocking to say the least.

Have you a link?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 21, 2019, 12:03:48 AM
Quote from: befair on August 20, 2019, 11:41:37 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 20, 2019, 10:19:53 PM
What went on in the Kilcoo CPN game? The small clip online is pretty shocking to say the least.

Have you a link?

Search Kilcoo on twitter and you will find it.. 18 stitches apparently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 21, 2019, 02:44:17 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 21, 2019, 12:03:48 AM
Quote from: befair on August 20, 2019, 11:41:37 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 20, 2019, 10:19:53 PM
What went on in the Kilcoo CPN game? The small clip online is pretty shocking to say the least.

Have you a link?

Search Kilcoo on twitter and you will find it.. 18 stitches apparently.

Got it thanks
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Post by: elk on August 21, 2019, 07:39:37 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 21, 2019, 12:03:48 AM
Quote from: befair on August 20, 2019, 11:41:37 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on August 20, 2019, 10:19:53 PM
What went on in the Kilcoo CPN game? The small clip online is pretty shocking to say the least.

Have you a link?

Search Kilcoo on twitter and you will find it.. 18 stitches apparently.
Conor Laverty bang out of order with what he done in the clip
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Post by: terrifictommy on August 21, 2019, 08:37:11 AM
Does it surprise anyone? I've read the threads, all referring to some previous incident and latter goings on in the game but to justify that type of infield behaviour isn't right. That doesn't condone andything else that might have occurred- Be interesting to see an outcome of this but it's a subject rising and difficult to know what sanctions should unilaterally apply.
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Post by: downjim on August 21, 2019, 10:13:51 AM
Kilcoo in violence shocker  ???
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Post by: champion1981 on August 21, 2019, 11:27:09 AM
Downjim!! Your alive🤣 was worried about you after the bridge game 🙈, I think if the point should show the hole recording of the match ,would be heavy suspensions for both teams
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Post by: Stevie Nicks on August 21, 2019, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on August 21, 2019, 11:27:09 AM
Downjim!! Your alive🤣 was worried about you after the bridge game 🙈, I think if the point should show the hole recording of the match ,would be heavy suspensions for both teams

Yeah very Selective posting of video to be sure, there could have been plenty of videos showing misbehaviour from CPN at the game, for example PD having to leave pitch with a busted nose!
Good to see Downjim has awakenedd, think he is a closet magpie fan as they are the only club which motivate him to post!! After Friday his own club might have a few weeks off ;)
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Post by: Last Caress on August 21, 2019, 06:34:36 PM
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on August 21, 2019, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on August 21, 2019, 11:27:09 AM
Downjim!! Your alive🤣 was worried about you after the bridge game 🙈, I think if the point should show the hole recording of the match ,would be heavy suspensions for both teams

Yeah very Selective posting of video to be sure, there could have been plenty of videos showing misbehaviour from CPN at the game, for example PD having to leave pitch with a busted nose!
Good to see Downjim has awakenedd, think he is a closet magpie fan as they are the only club which motivate him to post!! After Friday his own club might have a few weeks off ;)

You have it spot on champion1981
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Post by: terrifictommy on August 21, 2019, 08:19:09 PM
Will the whole video vindicate the action? So no harm done then.
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Post by: elk on August 21, 2019, 08:40:46 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 21, 2019, 08:19:09 PM
Will the whole video vindicate the action? So no harm done then.
Exactly there's no justification for what laverty did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 21, 2019, 09:28:20 PM
Quote from: elk on August 21, 2019, 08:40:46 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 21, 2019, 08:19:09 PM
Will the whole video vindicate the action? So no harm done then.
Exactly there's no justification for what laverty did.

Is he still employed by the Co Board as a development officer?
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Post by: Last Caress on August 21, 2019, 10:33:09 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 21, 2019, 08:19:09 PM
Will the whole video vindicate the action? So no harm done then.
It won't vindicate the individuals actions but would incriminate the actions of others. Supporters included.
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Post by: champion1981 on August 21, 2019, 10:54:30 PM
@hedgehunter I dont think laverty is employed by the co board, seems to be about this time every year we all not pick the magpies faults or actions🙈,myself included, listening to players from  both sides and neutrals @the game I hear conor got awful heavy weather before he lashed out at his opponent, he took a training session @ a club on saturday ,after talking to our chairwoman about the incident doing the rounds on social media he pulled up his top and showed her his arms and chest which were black and blue from being nipped and even a bite mark on back of his shoulder, so the only thing I could say to laverty Is fair played young man keep up the good work , he is a genius  to watch after all these years still  👍#utf🇮🇪
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Post by: Hedgehunter on August 21, 2019, 11:48:48 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on August 21, 2019, 10:54:30 PM
@hedgehunter I dont think laverty is employed by the co board, seems to be about this time every year we all not pick the magpies faults or actions🙈,myself included, listening to players from  both sides and neutrals @the game I hear conor got awful heavy weather before he lashed out at his opponent, he took a training session @ a club on saturday ,after talking to our chairwoman about the incident doing the rounds on social media he pulled up his top and showed her his arms and chest which were black and blue from being nipped and even a bite mark on back of his shoulder, so the only thing I could say to laverty Is fair played young man keep up the good work , he is a genius  to watch after all these years still  👍#utf🇮🇪

Absolute madness..
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Post by: guevara on August 22, 2019, 01:34:42 AM
Champion1981 your comments are embarassing.

Lavery has plenty of previous in this type of behaviour and it happens far too often in GAA Games. The only medicine for him is to take him to court and then maybe individuals won't indulge in sneaky cheap shots.

Also let it be noted Neil Cousins saw the incident and let it go unpunished. An absolute disgrace.
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Post by: champion1981 on August 22, 2019, 07:03:30 AM
If the ref seen it then nothing could be done about it?? If a dog bites a human it would be put down!! Not that there would be much to chew at on laverty 😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 22, 2019, 08:10:07 AM
Quote from: guevara on August 22, 2019, 01:34:42 AM
Champion1981 your comments are embarassing.

Lavery has plenty of previous in this type of behaviour and it happens far too often in GAA Games. The only medicine for him is to take him to court and then maybe individuals won't indulge in sneaky cheap shots.

Also let it be noted Neil Cousins saw the incident and let it go unpunished. An absolute disgrace.
Would a Kilcoo player do that?
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Post by: Last Caress on August 22, 2019, 09:23:38 AM
Quote from: guevara on August 22, 2019, 01:34:42 AM
Champion1981 your comments are embarassing.

Lavery has plenty of previous in this type of behaviour and it happens far too often in GAA Games. The only medicine for him is to take him to court and then maybe individuals won't indulge in sneaky cheap shots.

Also let it be noted Neil Cousins saw the incident and let it go unpunished. An absolute disgrace.
In that case should the same medicine not apply those players who indulge in all sneaky cheap shots
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Post by: terrifictommy on August 22, 2019, 11:18:07 AM
Elk - Yes they would, is there not an ongoing case from last year involving Clonduff??

I can't believe the comments here - This type of action is not part of our loved game. If any of these alleged instances occurred it's indefensible, none of them cancel the other action out and all should be condoned.

And moving back to the siege mentality. Is it always Kilcoo. Nope. It's a wider issue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on August 22, 2019, 12:16:25 PM
Has the kilcoo man involved in the court case  not transferred to st  brigids Belfast?? Though he was still a kilcoo player at the time, magpies wouldn't like that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 23, 2019, 10:30:21 AM
No big surprises in the results last night.

Predictions for weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 23, 2019, 01:28:21 PM
Should be no big surprises expect burren to easily beat a very bad Castlewellan, Loughinisland should have to much for the bridge and Carryduff to beat Bredagh in a tight game
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Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on August 23, 2019, 08:07:43 PM
Can we remember what happened last year when video footage went viral?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 23, 2019, 09:31:33 PM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on August 23, 2019, 08:07:43 PM
Can we remember what happened last year when video footage went viral?

Certainly not the same level of outrage this time round. Orwell was spot on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 23, 2019, 10:36:01 PM
Went to the game in Hilltown tonight game was a lot closer than I expected Castlewellan will look back at a missed opportunity to beat the county champions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on August 23, 2019, 10:45:16 PM
Castlewellan v burren game 🙈 wow 2 bad teams on this occasion, and the ref even worse, awful easy frees awarded to burren at important times in the game, 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 23, 2019, 11:31:00 PM
Burren must just love extra time!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 23, 2019, 11:37:21 PM
The poster who tipped Carryduff to beat Bredagh in a tight game was correct but he/she may not have expected a winning goal in the third minute of injury time. While Liatroim is a brilliant venue, with an excellent new pitch, it was a slightly unusual choice for the meeting of two Belfast sides. They went at it hammer and tongs anyway, so fair play to Carryduff for edging it as they almost certainly head for D1 as well. Bredagh on tonight's form may join them shortly, and our county teams can only benefit as new players emerge from a major population centre.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 24, 2019, 09:49:59 AM
Mourne rover maybe a lack of floodlit pitches closer to the Belfast sides led to the destination of that fixture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 24, 2019, 12:10:16 PM
Both teams had to travel anyway so no disadvantage. Seems to have been a good game. Was it a last minute goal?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 24, 2019, 12:21:42 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 24, 2019, 12:10:16 PM
Both teams had to travel anyway so no disadvantage. Seems to have been a good game. Was it a last minute goal?

Was scored 2 mins into 3 minutes of extra time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 24, 2019, 12:48:25 PM
Always a hard one for the losing team but Carryduff are probably a better side, certainly made Castlewellan look fairly average.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 24, 2019, 12:55:21 PM
PTC, a different starting time would have facilitated another venue but it was still a fine contest between two well matched sides which went right to the wire.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on August 24, 2019, 01:25:17 PM
Can some one clear up what the arrangements will be for Rgu vBallyholland and the Kilcoo v Clonduff matches because they will meet eventually.
Personally I think it's a disgrace about how the county board has handled these events, the CCC has handled these events very poorly and only sets Down football for ridicule, and if there has been further problems involving Kilcoo the board must take action.Interesting times ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 24, 2019, 01:34:22 PM
Ballyholland and Downpatrick will not meet each other in league football this season. Therefore each club has 18 games instead of everyone else's 20.

FWIW I think it's a fair punishment as the previously mooted measures were either related to a different competition, or would have seen other clubs gaining an unfair advantage.

As for Kilcoo Clonduff, this game was postponed in unusual circumstances and as is often the case in these circumstances, will be shoehorned in somewhere between now and the end of the season. Not sure why you feel the need for an official correspondence on that one.
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Post by: DuffGael on August 24, 2019, 01:49:13 PM
Really tight game between Carryduff and Bredagh, the Duff were the better side in the first half and should have been up by 3/4. Bredagh were fantastic the second half and we're in control going into extra time but decided to mess about trying to hold the ball but lost it.  Duff then scored the winning goal. A draw would probably have been a fair result but it's a great way to win any game though an awful way to lose one.  Both teams are young and it can only be good for Down county  teams going forward that both clubs are now producing quality footballers.
It's part 2 Next Week as they meet in the IHC which should be another tight game.
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Post by: Dubh driocht on August 24, 2019, 02:49:28 PM
Yes, find myself agreeing with Duffgael  which is probably the first time I've ever agreed with a Gael from the Duff.
Regarding criticism of County Board/CCC on handling of Kilcoo/Clonduff/RGU/Harps/Liatroim as a venue; get over yourselves.  There's plenty of reasons to criticise the county board but these aren't them.  Excellent set up at Pairc Fontenoy last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on August 24, 2019, 05:40:42 PM
Cuan 12, what action would you take if in charge?dont think clonduff or kilcoo done anything wrong as a club??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 24, 2019, 06:21:30 PM
If you went round every club you would find incidents of bad discipline didn't a burren player throw a ball at an official but not a word about it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on August 24, 2019, 07:30:41 PM
On the question of free for all's and downright thuggery the only answer is heavy penalties,but for our board to kick the can down the road is cowardly and reckless.
Now , what is it with our referees , there's no consistency in the interpretation of the rules, what actions result in a black card , same about a yellow, a red , what is a legal tackle , and the favourite - added on time, that should be out of the refs hands, some carry two watches , beggars belief as to what for , probably to show everyone  that he has more than one watch because it can't be to make sure he plays the correct amount of time.
I watched a referee rob Loughinisland today,he would not get a senior game after today if he was being assessed, he was shocking,good game despite him.
Anyone at the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 24, 2019, 08:26:56 PM
Some people just love a good yap. Unbelievable. Regarding the venue at Liatroim, a complete non starter, obviously there are certain criteria for evening Championship games. Liatroim must've have been the best choice for the game. Clubs have to agree to host games just incase anyone wasn't aware, so I am sure all avenues are explored. It's not a case of closing the eyes and picking a random location. On the punishments, as far as the majority of people are concerned the RGU Harps case is closed as the decision has been made and punishments final. The Kilcoo Clonduff is difficult, especially if outside authorities are involved - which I am sure they were at the time of the postponement. Hardly kicking the can down the road though. Rostrevor have an outstanding game again Warrenpoint to play which hasn't been fixed yet, so I am sure the game mentioned will be fixed in the same manner as the round which was postponed. Don't think there's too much wrong with any of that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on August 24, 2019, 09:19:20 PM
Am I correct in saying there are specific rules regarding the postponement of games and re fixing  of these games, the board are hoping that the clubs involved are not in contention to win the league or be relegated, declaring these games are meaningless and that's not good.
Can some one on the fixtures committee tell everyone why Drumaness or Downpatrick were overlooked for the Carryduff vBredagh match, in preference to Liatrom, strange  decision.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 24, 2019, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on August 24, 2019, 07:30:41 PM
On the question of free for all's and downright thuggery the only answer is heavy penalties,but for our board to kick the can down the road is cowardly and reckless.
Now , what is it with our referees , there's no consistency in the interpretation of the rules, what actions result in a black card , same about a yellow, a red , what is a legal tackle , and the favourite - added on time, that should be out of the refs hands, some carry two watches , beggars belief as to what for , probably to show everyone  that he has more than one watch because it can't be to make sure he plays the correct amount of time.
I watched a referee rob Loughinisland today,he would not get a senior game after today if he was being assessed, he was shocking,good game despite him.
Anyone at the game.
this ref always wants to be centre of attention
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on August 25, 2019, 08:31:22 AM
I'm not advocating we take on board all the rules of the LGAC but how they handle the time issue is a solution to the disaster which is the performance as displayed by Brendan Rice, how rugby league and union deal with it whilst not ideal is better than to allow an excuse for a referee ruin any game he officiates by trying to be the centre of attention all the time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 25, 2019, 02:11:31 PM
Did the county board have a 4th official indicating time added? That's the norm, and they get that from the ref. Surely both sides have the same opportunity to score so if the gripe is against time  only then is this really a massive debate? I get that in close games the refs marginal decisions look bigger.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on August 25, 2019, 02:47:42 PM
Tommy, the ref indicated 3 mins  additional time relayed to the crowd via the fourth official, he choose to play 6 mins 54 secs of additional time, Its no excuse for Loughinisland defeat and they have a second chance, my point is where did he find the additional time, no one was down for 4 mins , blatant cheating that's what I call it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 25, 2019, 03:04:28 PM
Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying, that seems excessive alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 26, 2019, 09:28:52 AM
So Clonduff go in the back door, potentially some massive games. Are theses fixtures down for next weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 26, 2019, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: PTC on August 26, 2019, 09:28:52 AM
So Clonduff go in the back door, potentially some massive games. Are theses fixtures down for next weekend?

The backdoor fixtures are due this week, but can't see any in Sunday, also we in IHC this Saturday so no idea idea when our game may be, Thursday or Monday, either way doesn't give dual players too long to recover
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 27, 2019, 10:23:04 AM
SFC and IFC draw and venues

Thursday 29th August - Pairc Esler
6.30pm IFC Atticall v Saul
8.00pm  SFC Bryansford v Clonduff
JFC - St Johns
6.30pm  Dundrum v Kilclief


Friday 30th August- Tullylish
6.30pm  IFC Newry Shamrocks v Teconnaught
8.00pm SFC  Ballyholland v Loughinisland
JFC - Drumaness
6.30pm Ardglass v St Pauls


Monday 2nd September - Kilcoo
6.30pm IFC  Annaclone v Liatroim
8.00pm  SFC Bredagh v Longstone

Monday 2nd September - Clonduff
6.30pm  IFC Drumgath v Drumaness
8.00pm  SFC  Burren v Rostrevor
JFC - St Patrick's Park
6.30pm Aghaderg v Bright
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 27, 2019, 10:50:57 AM
Clonduff top pitch is not great for a big championship game!! Some tasty ties to look forward to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 27, 2019, 11:02:59 AM
Some decent games to be had alright Jim. I'd say Burren need more good fortune in Clonduff to bear a Rostrevor team who will fancy their chances?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 27, 2019, 11:18:03 AM
Ah, dual players conundrum.

I'll go back to a post I made a few years ago when Liatroim had a handful of players competing to the closing stages of the IFC, IHC, MFC and MHC.

What is it that a fixtures secretary can do in such circumstances?

It's all very well giving off. But the only solution for "burnout" of genuine dual players is to start one code's competitions in May, and wrap it up by the start of August.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 27, 2019, 11:26:31 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 27, 2019, 11:18:03 AM
Ah, dual players conundrum.

I'll go back to a post I made a few years ago when Liatroim had a handful of players competing to the closing stages of the IFC, IHC, MFC and MHC.

What is it that a fixtures secretary can do in such circumstances?

It's all very well giving off. But the only solution for "burnout" of genuine dual players is to start one code's competitions in May, and wrap it up by the start of August.

Liatroim are guaranteed 3 games in the Senior Hurling Championship this year as well starting on Saturday night with a double header in Carryduff.

Good to see them make the step up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 27, 2019, 11:43:38 AM
Any odds on the championship now?? What way did Kilcoo perform last night?? No one is setting the world a light at the minute, Kilcoo massive favs but any other team would be confident of another few wins, Clonduff, Harps and the stone to come through
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on August 27, 2019, 12:08:09 PM
Was in Hughes bookmakers last night and a burren man put 5k on the point to win championship  ,a proud burren man he is 2,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 27, 2019, 12:50:09 PM
Any odds for the IFC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 27, 2019, 01:36:45 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 27, 2019, 11:43:38 AM
Any odds on the championship now?? What way did Kilcoo perform last night?? No one is setting the world a light at the minute, Kilcoo massive favs but any other team would be confident of another few wins, Clonduff, Harps and the stone to come through
I wasn't overly impressed with Kilcoo last night, if Mooney had of been available for Rostrevor it could have been different, at the minute I'd say Kilcoo are the best of a fairly average lot
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 27, 2019, 01:51:57 PM
Ballyholland and Longstone - not so sure about that. I'd be on Bredagh and Loughinisland on previous rounds. Rostrevor could cause an upset too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Akinfenwa on August 27, 2019, 02:08:48 PM
All very close to call ties in the SFC. You wouldn't be surprised to hear either team win in all the ties. Although I'd edge towards Clonduff, Loughinisland, Bredagh and Burren, but as I say all tight matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on August 27, 2019, 04:50:01 PM
Targetman 100% agree with you on mooney, but magpies could say same about ryan johnstone, Aidan  brannigan, ceilum Doherty, Aaron morgan ,darragh o Hanlon  big greenan and mcgreevy,,burren need to up their game big time to beat the reds, loughinisland, clonduff,reds,breadth all to advance to next round
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 28, 2019, 02:41:42 PM
Completely wide open this year based on what I've seen. Think an outsider could sneak it, Loughinisland or Mayobridge possibly. Loughinisland should've beaten the bridge but there's more to come from the sky blues. Anyone know if Kilcoo are getting some of their missing players back soon? CPN were very impressive against Clonduff but very poor against Ballyholland so never know which Warrenpoint will show up-think they've the best team on paper but not hungry enough for me. Burren will grind out a couple of results and get beaten by the Magpies in another rematch in the final...

Predictions for the coming weeks-

Stone to beat Bredagh by 4
Island to beat Harps by 5
Burren to beat Reds by 6
Clonduff to beat Ford by 4


CPN v Burren
Mayobridge v Stone
Kilcoo v Clonduff
Carryduff v Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 28, 2019, 04:43:19 PM
There's a few tipping Longstone, I just can't see them matching Bredaghs pace. Experience may be the difference though. I'm still going Bredagh, Burren, Clonduff, Loughinisland.

Is that quarter final listing accurate, as in that's who each winner will play?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 28, 2019, 08:06:19 PM
Loughinisland 16/1 & CPN @ 10/1 are the value bets
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 29, 2019, 02:09:00 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 28, 2019, 02:41:42 PM
Completely wide open this year based on what I've seen. Think an outsider could sneak it, Loughinisland or Mayobridge possibly. Loughinisland should've beaten the bridge but there's more to come from the sky blues. Anyone know if Kilcoo are getting some of their missing players back soon? CPN were very impressive against Clonduff but very poor against Ballyholland so never know which Warrenpoint will show up-think they've the best team on paper but not hungry enough for me. Burren will grind out a couple of results and get beaten by the Magpies in another rematch in the final...

Predictions for the coming weeks-

Stone to beat Bredagh by 4
Island to beat Harps by 5
Burren to beat Reds by 6
Clonduff to beat Ford by 4


CPN v Burren
Mayobridge v Stone
Kilcoo v Clonduff
Carryduff v Longstone
When are these fixtures on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on August 29, 2019, 05:15:23 PM
The 1/4 finals draw hasn't taken place yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on August 30, 2019, 02:04:38 PM
Ive a fiver on Longstone at 250/1 think they could cause a few upsets
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 30, 2019, 03:14:34 PM
Quote from: Petergriffin1 on August 30, 2019, 02:04:38 PM
Ive a fiver on Longstone at 250/1 think they could cause a few upsets

You'd be safer giving it to Sean Og.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 30, 2019, 03:16:15 PM
Fancy the harps and the ford for a couple of upsets 2night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2019, 10:02:20 PM
I was Ballyhollands biggest critic but by god they have surprised me this year. Off the bottom of the table and in the quarter final of the championship. They should have beat us in the first match and you know what they are playing a decent brand of football. It's a pity they didn't do that 5/6 years ago when murtagh Murphy Campbell mccrink etc were in there pomp.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on August 30, 2019, 10:03:15 PM
Quote from: elk on August 28, 2019, 08:06:19 PM
Loughinisland 16/1 & CPN @ 10/1 are the value bets
Hope no men actually believed this sh*te 😅
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 30, 2019, 10:15:36 PM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on August 30, 2019, 10:03:15 PM
Quote from: elk on August 28, 2019, 08:06:19 PM
Loughinisland 16/1 & CPN @ 10/1 are the value bets
Hope no men actually believed this sh*te 😅
the bookies are never far away 😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 30, 2019, 11:23:48 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2019, 10:02:20 PM
I was Ballyhollands biggest critic but by god they have surprised me this year. Off the bottom of the table and in the quarter final of the championship. They should have beat us in the first match and you know what they are playing a decent brand of football. It's a pity they didn't do that 5/6 years ago when murtagh Murphy Campbell mccrink etc were in there pomp.

Them lads were in their pomp 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 31, 2019, 12:08:39 AM
Underachieved? Who managed them 10 years ago
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 31, 2019, 12:22:29 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 31, 2019, 12:08:39 AM
Underachieved? Who managed them 10 years ago

I'd suggest that in order to underachieve you have to be clearly better than your opponents at least occasionally, but never do it on the big day.

That's been a few clubs in Down in my lifetime, but it's never been Ballyholland in senior football. Not yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on August 31, 2019, 01:48:07 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 31, 2019, 12:22:29 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 31, 2019, 12:08:39 AM
Underachieved? Who managed them 10 years ago

I'd suggest that in order to underachieve you have to be clearly better than your opponents at least occasionally, but never do it on the big day.

That's been a few clubs in Down in my lifetime, but it's never been Ballyholland in senior football. Not yet.

What are you saying Wobbler because I can't make sense of your post?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on August 31, 2019, 10:58:31 AM
He's saying that they didn't underachieve; quite the opposite!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on August 31, 2019, 09:25:55 PM
Interested to read in Irish News that Conor Laverty is part of Banty's backroom team at Monaghan.  No doubt the Farney men remember his second half performance against them in the 2012 Ulster semi final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on September 02, 2019, 01:49:33 PM
Talking to a few Burren men yesterday at Croker, they are dying to get Carryduff next round.. Obviously very confident about tonight's game.. I feel Rostrever could cause an upset
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on September 02, 2019, 01:51:02 PM
Don't think Carryduff would fear Burren either.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 02, 2019, 05:41:42 PM
If burren play as bad as they did against Castlewellan they could be in trouble
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on September 02, 2019, 09:58:36 PM
Morgan Fuels SFC quarter finals
Kilcoo v Burren
CPN v Longstone
Mayobridge v Ballyholland
Carryduff v Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 02, 2019, 11:35:05 PM
Not the same Burren team as in the past; struggled against a depleted Rostrevor till the last few mins. Bu being underdogs vs Kilcco might suit them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 03, 2019, 09:00:29 AM
Quote from: befair on September 02, 2019, 11:35:05 PM
Not the same Burren team as in the past; struggled against a depleted Rostrevor till the last few mins. Bu being underdogs vs Kilcco might suit them
Kilcoo struggled against Rostrevor too, maybe they are not that bad. Burren were underdogs for the final last year and beat them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 03, 2019, 09:15:59 AM
Don't think I'll be putting money on any of these next toes, all fairly even games I think. My predictions would be: Kilcoo, CPN, Mayobridge and Clonduff. Got Longstone wrong in the last round though and they seemed to have done a good job last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 03, 2019, 11:20:54 AM
A poor enough champ thus far, Warrenpoint will be quietly confident of claiming their first trophy since the 50's, the pressure is certainly on them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 03, 2019, 11:35:39 AM
I'd say the pressure is more on an underperforming reigning county champions team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 03, 2019, 11:40:07 AM
We are massive underdogs against the championship favourites but we need a massive improvement to test Kilcoo. I'd imagine Kilcoos injuries will be cleared up by then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on September 03, 2019, 12:28:05 PM
What an experience this year must be for Ballyholland. Everyone writing them off. Watching the game against loughinisland their panel must consist of about 8/10 18-20 year olds. Great to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 03, 2019, 12:36:35 PM
Good year for Ballyholland
Coulter
Brady
Brady
Loughran
Havern
Grant
Murphy
Murphy
Mcateer
Walsh
Campbell
Rushe

Subs that came on
White
Mcateer
Kearns

All those above or 22 and above??

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 03, 2019, 02:26:07 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 03, 2019, 11:20:54 AM
A poor enough champ thus far, Warrenpoint will be quietly confident of claiming their first trophy since the 50's, the pressure is certainly on them.

Have to agree with Tommy...I'd say the defending champions will be feeling the heat of expectation more than anyone. Really tough tie against Kilcoo...Can see them coming good though and winning it. They've been shockingly bad but Gerard McGovern coming back to play and Toner and McKay match fit and Steven Fegan will be back match fit for that too no doubt...Burren by 2

Kilcoo v Burren-Burren by 2
CPN v Longstone-CPN by 8
Mayobridge v Ballyholland-Ballyholland by 1
Carryduff v Clonduff-Clonduff in Extra Time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 03, 2019, 02:47:44 PM
Unfortunately we would have them back.
Ballyholland will be a great price and I fancy them also.
The battles of the duffs is a hard one to call.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on September 03, 2019, 07:55:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 03, 2019, 12:36:35 PM
Good year for Ballyholland
Coulter
Brady
Brady
Loughran
Havern
Grant
Murphy
Murphy
Mcateer
Walsh
Campbell
Rushe

Subs that came on
White
Mcateer
Kearns

All those above or 22 and above??

Does the young fella McGovern not get on? Or he still minor?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 03, 2019, 08:19:08 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 03, 2019, 11:20:54 AM
A poor enough champ thus far, Warrenpoint will be quietly confident of claiming their first trophy since the 50's, the pressure is certainly on them.
Any Burren men I have been talking to are confident it's theirs once they dispose of Kilcoo,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 03, 2019, 09:12:20 PM
Quote from: elk on September 03, 2019, 09:00:29 AM
Quote from: befair on September 02, 2019, 11:35:05 PM
Not the same Burren team as in the past; struggled against a depleted Rostrevor till the last few mins. Bu being underdogs vs Kilcco might suit them
Kilcoo struggled against Rostrevor too, maybe they are not that bad. Burren were underdogs for the final last year and beat them!
If Kilcoo keep Donal O'Here quiet they'll win. His goal before half-time really changed the game, + he created it from nothing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 03, 2019, 10:01:14 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on September 03, 2019, 07:55:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 03, 2019, 12:36:35 PM
Good year for Ballyholland
Coulter
Brady
Brady
Loughran
Havern
Grant
Murphy
Murphy
Mcateer
Walsh
Campbell
Rushe

Subs that came on
White
Mcateer
Kearns

All those above or 22 and above??

Does the young fella McGovern not get on? Or he still minor?
Don't think he's eligible for seniors yet, but i see a John Mc Govern scored for Newry at the weekend, definitely one for the future
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 04, 2019, 10:39:01 AM
Who comes up with the fixture schedule and venues for the championship?
Senior match at 3 in Newcastle probably over at 4.30/4.40
We play in Burren at 5.30 in a double header
Now a double header in Burren in a senior championship quarter final will habe severe parking consequences on the roads around Burren.
Why Newry wasn't used at the normal throw in times of 6.30/8 on a Sunday is mind boggling
At least that gives people who are attending the first match to grab a quick bite to eat?
Thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on September 04, 2019, 11:54:32 AM
A shocker smurfy. And the fact Monday night is only being used for a senior and intermediate double header in newry is mind boggling.
What are ballyholland and bridge players expected to do when they arrive? I'd say all spaces in car park will be gone by the time they start arriving. Point and stone supporters along with their players will have spaces filled and will be starting to park around burren at that stage.

Burren kilcoo looks very tasty and both teams will fancy themselves of course. Kilcoo to win this one.
Point and stone is another tight one. I expect the point just to have too much for the stone.
Clonduff and carryduff will be tight again but carryduff youth and pace could take them through.
Bridge and ballyholland will be another battle. Ballyholland to nick It I reckon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 04, 2019, 12:19:25 PM
Quote from: befair on September 03, 2019, 09:12:20 PM
Quote from: elk on September 03, 2019, 09:00:29 AM
Quote from: befair on September 02, 2019, 11:35:05 PM
Not the same Burren team as in the past; struggled against a depleted Rostrevor till the last few mins. Bu being underdogs vs Kilcco might suit them
Kilcoo struggled against Rostrevor too, maybe they are not that bad. Burren were underdogs for the final last year and beat them!
If Kilcoo keep Donal O'Here quiet they'll win. His goal before half-time really changed the game, + he created it from nothing
[/quote do kilcoo have the forward line to do the damage that Castlewellan and rostrevor couldn't do? Donal o'hare would be a handful for any team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 04, 2019, 12:30:03 PM
Venues for the games always a debate.
Kilcoo - No dugouts for the teams, I've seen more subs/mentors over the line than behind it. Some day that will cause a controversial moment between players and sidelines. Wonder if the Kilcoo seniors will allow the teams to warm up properly this round.
Clonduff - Venue isn't the concern but the pitch and lack of lighting and scoreboard are. Not a great vantage point for spectators either.
Burren - we all know the parking issues

Don't get me wrong theses clubs are the best that are around and Marshall very well. But what are the real alternatives. All have the same issues surely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on September 04, 2019, 04:01:59 PM
Any updates on Ballykinlar? Last update from Kim Jung McAteer was that he had appointed a planning consultant from Derry.
We must have nearly cleared the Burrenbridge debt by now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 04, 2019, 04:38:54 PM
Surely they could have put a senior and intermediate double header in newry on Friday night
And the same in Burren on Sunday at 6.30 and 8
But to put a big senior double header in Burren is madness
Now what if any of the first games on Sunday go to extra time?
There is a chance that the matches in Newcastle won't be over at 5.30 if any goes to extra time.
Getting from Newcastle at 5 to Burren at 5.30? Work that one out?
And the big game of the weekend is on Monday at 8
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 05, 2019, 01:50:29 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on September 04, 2019, 04:01:59 PM
Any updates on Ballykinlar? Last update from Kim Jung McAteer was that he had appointed a planning consultant from Derry.
We must have nearly cleared the Burrenbridge debt by now.

Collie McGurk? Was that him?

Burrenbridge dept is now serviceable after being taken over by Croke Park, but I think there's a good few more years yet before it's cleared.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on September 05, 2019, 11:10:08 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 05, 2019, 01:50:29 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on September 04, 2019, 04:01:59 PM
Any updates on Ballykinlar? Last update from Kim Jung McAteer was that he had appointed a planning consultant from Derry.
We must have nearly cleared the Burrenbridge debt by now.

Collie McGurk? Was that him?

Burrenbridge dept is now serviceable after being taken over by Croke Park, but I think there's a good few more years yet before it's cleared.

What's the burrenbridge dept?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 06, 2019, 10:33:14 AM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on September 05, 2019, 11:10:08 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 05, 2019, 01:50:29 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on September 04, 2019, 04:01:59 PM
Any updates on Ballykinlar? Last update from Kim Jung McAteer was that he had appointed a planning consultant from Derry.
We must have nearly cleared the Burrenbridge debt by now.

Collie McGurk? Was that him?

Burrenbridge dept is now serviceable after being taken over by Croke Park, but I think there's a good few more years yet before it's cleared.

What's the burrenbridge dept?

debt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 06, 2019, 10:57:01 AM
County board ex have dealt with Burrenbridgr, it was a disaster but it's behind us, county negotiated a new deal  and we are servicing that debt along with other debt from Parc Esler, Ballykinlar is a new chapter in Down GAA history and while the location might not please all it's the only viable option to develop a facility to compete with our provincial rivals.
Let's not forget Tyrone have had Garvaghy over 20 yrs and look where they are, our team of the nineties blew Tyrone away, look where we are now, so forget about Burrenbridge , that's being dealt with , concentrate on what we have , last thing , keep seeing derogatory references to our county secretary and I don't think they help, constructive criticism is grand but destructive with snide remarks doesn't help.
We all want the same thing - success
Kilcoo will win championship , complacency is only thing that will beat them!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 06, 2019, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 06, 2019, 10:57:01 AMBallykinlar is a new chapter in Down GAA history and while the location might not please all it's the only viable option to develop a facility to compete with our provincial rivals.

No, its not.

It is a massive mistake which will become all too clear in the years ahead.

When someone is hurt or worse driving home knackered from training some night on the shite roads - it'll be seen as the utterly stupid idea that it is.



The bravest decision the county board could take is to wait... wait until land comes up that is close to the main route running from the Finn through to Hilltown. There have been at least 2 opportunities passed up over the previous 2 decades. More opportunities will come up as folks give up on farming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 06, 2019, 12:44:15 PM
I think it's the best option we have at this time and can only improve the lesser facilities that exist in East Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 06, 2019, 12:53:26 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 06, 2019, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 06, 2019, 10:57:01 AMBallykinlar is a new chapter in Down GAA history and while the location might not please all it's the only viable option to develop a facility to compete with our provincial rivals.

No, its not.

It is a massive mistake which will become all too clear in the years ahead.

When someone is hurt or worse driving home knackered from training some night on the shite roads - it'll be seen as the utterly stupid idea that it is.



The bravest decision the county board could take is to wait... wait until land comes up that is close to the main route running from the Finn through to Hilltown. There have been at least 2 opportunities passed up over the previous 2 decades. More opportunities will come up as folks give up on farming.


I agree.

Training several times a week in Ballykinlar will make opting out a very real proposition for anyone working in Dublin.

Challenge matches for juvenile squads against Cavan, Monaghan, Louth, Meath etc will be met with a "can you not find us a venue closer to the border?".

That's when management teams will begin to challenge any requirement from county board that Ballykinlar must be the venue for county teams.

County board then will face the dilemma of forcing the rule, or a one-breaks-it-everyone-breaks-it-problem arising.

I know everyone means well with Ballykinlar. And it has some potential as an East down training facility. But it's just too remote to serve our county the way Garvaghey or Clontibret works.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 06, 2019, 01:59:24 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 06, 2019, 12:44:15 PM
I think it's the best option we have at this time and can only improve the lesser facilities that exist in East Down.

It may be the best option at this time - but that does not mean it is a good enough option to get the go ahead - it will not justify the investment and will be a(nother) massive millstone around the neck of county finances.

Decision should have been "no options available at this time are good enough to proceed".
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 06, 2019, 02:07:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 06, 2019, 12:53:26 PM
Challenge matches for juvenile squads against Cavan, Monaghan, Louth, Meath etc will be met with a "can you not find us a venue closer to the border?".

For any county team its in the arse end of nowhere.

For most clubs in Down its in the arse end of nowhere FFS!


Every other county in Ireland will be coming in the Blackstaff Road as that's what google maps will tell them is quickest. Only a matter of time before there is an accident on the roads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 06, 2019, 02:09:23 PM
Are there any other defunct pitches/schools in Down that could be taken over by Down Gaa, always thought Derrylecka had potential . What's Annsborough like these days?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 06, 2019, 02:19:58 PM
Most people would prefer our main training complex to be in or around Castlewellan, and there's no doubt that the decision not to buy the former Castlewellan High School site when it was offered to us for a knock-down price in the 1990s was an enormous mistake. However, that opportunity is gone, and none of the other options in the immediate area have worked out, so we need to look elsewhere. Ballykinlar is eight miles from Castlewellan, a drive of roughly 15 minutes, and cannot reasonably be regarded as a remote location. While the short road from Clough to the village is narrow, there is every reason to believe that it will be upgraded. The venue itself has huge potential and there are no sign of difficult planning issues at this stage. It clearly suits the hurlers, the camogs and the women footballers well, and is particularly convenient for the major centres of population on our side of Belfast and in Downpatrick from where players have traditionally had to travel to Newry. Male footballers from the south Down clubs will face longer journeys than at present but it is difficult to see how they will be seriously inconvenienced. When we get a properly designed training centre up and running, we will be in a different era so it is a project which deserves to be endorsed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 06, 2019, 04:07:56 PM
MR you're working on the assumption that people who live in Co Down work in Co Down.

Driving from Dublin to Belfast for the occasional training session is doable. Driving from Dublin to Ballykinlar for the odd training session is doable. Driving it 3 times a week for 8 months would test the resolve of even the most committed man. Especially if they've the best part of an hour back down to Burren, warrenpoint, Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 06, 2019, 04:29:06 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 06, 2019, 02:19:58 PM
While the short road from Clough to the village is narrow, there is every reason to believe that it will be upgraded.

Do you know something the rest of us doesn't?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 06, 2019, 04:44:41 PM
Newry would be the best place for a centre of excellence
As wobbler says you got to think of work.
Dublin Belfast based players Newry is central. And lads working say in Newcastle it's only 30
Minutes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on September 06, 2019, 04:47:38 PM
Who owns Ballykinlar or what deal has been done regarding the site?

I seriously doubt any roads in the area will be upgraded, when you look at the state of the rest of the roads in the area any money for road repairs will go to the primary routes. I can't see a road upgrade to a GAA training centre being high up on the list of priorities for the relevant NI infrastructure department.

I've seen a figure of £6 million mentioned as to the overall cost of the project, obviously there will be government grants available and Croke Park will contribute, but how much are Down GAA expected to contribute and where will the money come from, they're not exactly known for their financial prudence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on September 06, 2019, 04:51:52 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 06, 2019, 02:09:23 PM
Are there any other defunct pitches/schools in Down that could be taken over by Down Gaa, always thought Derrylecka had potential.

Surely a Burren man would know that Derryleckagh floods regularly?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 06, 2019, 05:12:28 PM
Ballykinlar is a sandy pitch near the shore so water will run off it and the pitch not cut up if teams are training on it in January.  It also has a lot of grounds around it so it much more cost effective to build something than e.g. buying land and building a pitch near Castlewellan.  It not ideal for all teams but it only 40 minutes or less drive from Mayobridge, Hilltown, Kilcoo, Castlewellan, Newcastle, Carryduff etc. to Ballykinlar.  Not sure any location would be ideal for every team.  It is only the last couple of miles of the journey that it a bad road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 06, 2019, 05:16:00 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 06, 2019, 04:44:41 PM
Newry would be the best place for a centre of excellence

Just having a look using the power of google maps and directions - I think Annaclone would be about the most central for everyone to get to.

All at ~7.30pm arrival time

Belfast >> Annaclone : 35-45 mins
Newry >> Annaclone : 20 mins
Newcastle >> Annaclone : 25 mins
Downpatrick >> Annaclone : 40 mins
Attical >> Annaclone : 30 mins

Belfast >> Ballykinlar : 40-50 mins
Newry >> Ballykinlar : 45 mins
Newcastle >> Ballykinlar : 15 mins
Downpatrick >> Ballykinlar: 12 mins
Attical >> Ballykinlar : 40 mins

Belfast >> Newry : 45 - 60 mins
Newry >> Newry : 0
Newcastle >> Newry : 40 mins
Downpatrick >> Newry : 45-55 mins
Attical >> Newry : 35 mins

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 06, 2019, 06:00:02 PM
Wobbler is making the assumption that Down people working outside the county will be travelling from Dublin. Many do, and that has to taken into account. However, there are also Down people working in Belfast and other northern counties who need to be considered, and we need to remember that all underage players using the facility will be based at home. All in all, the arguments for a central location remain strong and Maiden1's points about the nature of the Ballykinlar site are pretty telling. Trying to look somewhere else at this stage would add years to the project and might well mean it will never happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 06, 2019, 06:16:21 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 06, 2019, 06:00:02 PM
Wobbler is making the assumption that Down people working outside the county will be travelling from Dublin. Many do, and that has to taken into account. However, there are also Down people working in Belfast and other northern counties who need to be considered, and we need to remember that all underage players using the facility will be based at home. All in all, the arguments for a central location remain strong and Maiden1's points about the nature of the Ballykinlar site are pretty telling. Trying to look somewhere else at this stage would add years to the project and might well mean it will never happen.

I'm not making that assumption MR. I'm just pointing out a cold hard fact that there's a whole pile more money for tradespeople to head south.

Plus, there is any amount of students heading to Dublin for 4 years.

We can't expect a county senior team to thrive if the only viable career option is a teacher or farmer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 06, 2019, 06:35:41 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 06, 2019, 06:00:02 PM
Wobbler is making the assumption that Down people working outside the county will be travelling from Dublin. Many do, and that has to taken into account. However, there are also Down people working in Belfast and other northern counties who need to be considered,

I was thinking of that as well when I suggested Annaclone.

@7.30pm arrival time:
Annaclone is 5 mins from the A1.
The marshes are around 10 mins from the A1
Ballykinlar is around 40mins from the A1.



[BTW - def. not from Annaclone so not self promoting here.]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 06, 2019, 06:47:42 PM
FWIW anywhere within 5 mins of the A1 would have to be considered a good position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 06, 2019, 09:06:42 PM
Wobbler you post some horse manure, in case you haven't noticed, it was a democratic decision taken to go to the ballykinlar,artics have trundled along that road for years, so access by coach for visiting won't be a problem, god forbid anyone gets hurt badly enough to be either airlifted or taken to hospital by road but the nearest hospital is only 10 mins by road if players want to play for Down then travelling won't be an issue, get behind the project instead of snipping.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on September 06, 2019, 09:33:24 PM
I was just wondering why you haven't included Portaferry to Annaclone?
Down teams won all Ireland's in the 90's training in Ballykinlar all winter.  The sand pitch meant they played on a firm sod all year so had an advantage over other counties.

Just having a look using the power of google maps and directions - I think Annaclone would be about the most central for everyone to get to.

All at ~7.30pm arrival time

Belfast >> Annaclone : 35-45 mins
Newry >> Annaclone : 20 mins
Newcastle >> Annaclone : 25 mins
Downpatrick >> Annaclone : 40 mins
Attical >> Annaclone : 30 mins

Belfast >> Ballykinlar : 40-50 mins
Newry >> Ballykinlar : 45 mins
Newcastle >> Ballykinlar : 15 mins
Downpatrick >> Ballykinlar: 12 mins
Attical >> Ballykinlar : 40 mins

Belfast >> Newry : 45 - 60 mins
Newry >> Newry : 0
Newcastle >> Newry : 40 mins
Downpatrick >> Newry : 45-55 mins
Attical >> Newry : 35 mins
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 06, 2019, 10:01:51 PM
Another big result for ballyholland tonight, should be a tight game with the bridge next week in the championship. Castlewellan have left themselves a lot to do
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 06, 2019, 10:05:07 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on September 06, 2019, 09:33:24 PM
I was just wondering why you haven't included Portaferry to Annaclone?
Down teams won all Ireland's in the 90's training in Ballykinlar all winter.  The sand pitch meant they played on a firm sod all year so had an advantage over other counties.

Never thought to include portaferry as I never considered placing hurling and football centres in the same place.

Is there any other club south of Downpatrick bar the Fontenoys that hurls at a high standard?


Pitch construction has moved on an awful lot since the 90s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 06, 2019, 10:19:54 PM
Wobbler, there may well be `any amount' of Down students heading to Dublin for four years but a quick check of the red and black jerseys around the Holylands suggests there are still plenty heading in the other direction. The number of county players produced for us by UCD and TCD compared to QUB and UUJ may change someday but remains pretty low at the moment.  Looking at the squad picture of our 1994 AI champions back at Croke Park for the 25th anniversary should remind us how well balanced that group was between south and east Down, and how that has traditionally been the case with our successful sides. A location for our training complex somewhere close to the centre of our county makes solid sense.  Slightly separately, congratulations to Carryduff for effectively if not mathematically securing the only promotion place into D1 tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on September 06, 2019, 11:14:46 PM
I think using Dublin based players as an excuse not to go ahead with Ballykinlar is clutching at straws. There are men that travel from Dublin to Tyrone, Donegal etc to train with their counties and to suggest Down men are any less committed to their County is disrespectful bordering on cynical. I think the real issue is the south down men will have to go further than Newry to reach this new facility  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 07, 2019, 12:12:58 AM
Quote from: qubdub on September 06, 2019, 11:14:46 PM
I think using Dublin based players as an excuse not to go ahead with Ballykinlar is clutching at straws. There are men that travel from Dublin to Tyrone, Donegal etc to train with their counties and to suggest Down men are any less committed to their County is disrespectful bordering on cynical. I think the real issue is the south down men will have to go further than Newry to reach this new facility  ::)

Which, with the greatest respect, is a parochial and simplistic mindset.

——


There is no mythical border between hilltown and Kilcoo.

But there's a very real one just outside Newry.

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Mayo run training in Dublin for their Dublin based players. They do this because fellas based in Dublin cannot make the 3 hour journey to Castlebar to do laps.

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This is where we are heading.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 07, 2019, 08:14:16 AM
Newry is where it is at men.
No disrespect but that's where the sponsors are all based and it's the hub of the county
EOS
FD
CC
FPM
MURDOCKS
MCCARTANS

All those signs behind the goals and all based in and around Newry
Whether some like it or not East Down has little or no pulling power in terms of money.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 07, 2019, 08:56:29 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 07, 2019, 08:14:16 AM
Newry is where it is at men.
No disrespect but that's where the sponsors are all based and it's the hub of the county
EOS
FD
CC
FPM
MURDOCKS
MCCARTANS

All those signs behind the goals and all based in and around Newry
Whether some like it or not East Down has little or no pulling power in terms of money.

It's all about the money , money , money.
Surely , if we've learnt anything about the GAA in recent years, slavish adherence to money based decisions is ruining the GAA.
Agree entirely with wobbler regarding sensibly looking at feasibility and An emphasis of future proofing of any option and that therefore must include a choice(s) accessible to the largest population bases and workplace areas.  Ie north down/belfast, newry and Dublin.
I think we should certainly promote ballykinlar because it can be turned round quickly and cost effectively And is accessible to several east down clubs who have limited facilities . It will hopefully increase participation in these areas. It will provide much needed daytime and floodlit options for clubs, schools , colleges and at least underage county squads . With demographic considerations , as per wobbler , we also need senior county training facilities in newry. Has the link with Abbey not served us well in this regard, and presumably could continue . Ballykinlar would be a suitable base for weekend activity, but we probably need also to have a newry option for midweek training.
My favoured future proof model in keeping with environmental, cost , participation and manpower considerations , is to provide new or upgraded accessible facilities throughout our county which can be maintained by local clubs and schools, and have a centre of excellence as a weekend hub of activity(Ballykinlar is probably best option for a variety of reasons, eg immediate availability, low cost, planning friendliness , soil constitution, weather, and local need).
I would agree re sponsors and Newry to a certain extent but this is a chicken and egg scenario whereby if everything's based in newry then your only likely to attract newry sponsors . Presumably even newry sponsors would want to widen their net, and tapping into belfast /north down has potential for new sponsors.
I emphasise to a certain extent with Those concerned regarding journey times to ballykinlar as those from my neck of the woods have had to endure years of travelling over an hour to Newry for years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 07, 2019, 09:10:57 AM
Great points 6th Sam and I agree with you on all
Was just saying about the sponsors
For what it's worth I think ballykinlar should be our training hub and keep the abbey link and then obviously all matches in Newry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 07, 2019, 10:59:38 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 07, 2019, 09:10:57 AM
Great points 6th Sam and I agree with you on all
Was just saying about the sponsors
For what it's worth I think ballykinlar should be our training hub and keep the abbey link and then obviously all matches in Newry

I think the sponsor/newry point is well
Made, the bulk of business funding for Down comes from in and around Newry and we should be careful not to bite the hands that feeds us. Páirc Esler is an outstanding venue of which we can be proud and it's usage should be maximised , not least to ensure we continue to attract newry based sponsors, but there potentially are untapped areas of business funding further north & the growing strength of bredagh and Carryduff reinforces the need to engage more with more northern parts of the county. Though I can totally appreciate many of the anti-ballykinlar arguments, we are probably at least 7 or 8 years off any other centre of excellence option, and I genuinely feel that if we hold off it may never happen. I feel we could steal a march on other counties by amending and future proofing the "centre of excellence " model , by having it in Ballykinlar for our hurlers , footballers at weekends and underage squads and schools , but also using satellite centres available in Belfast ( Queen's) and Newry (Abbey) to ensure that its senior player friendly . As we go forward And increasing s&c demands , players should be able to do s&c close to home, and have quality grass pitches/s&c, medical and conferencing facilities for weekend (fri-sun) sessions( Ballykinlar) with 1-2 Midweek senior training sessions in Newry/belfast on a floodlit grass pitch with back up facilities . I feel This is the best sustainable model based on all current and future consideration, though I stand corrected if someone can come up with a better alternative .
Ploughing all our money into a large centre of excellence in Newry is a long way off , is totally inaccessible to our hurlers and east/North Down. The Ballykinlar development will provide focus and momentum for Down going forward and will hopefully engage hurling and those in the east/north of the county that feel we've been too newry-centric. We are a large population county, let's do a Dublin -widen the net , increase the participation and maximise our resources ( including rented facilities) .
I would have shared the serious reservations about Ballykinlar but now I definitely see it as our best "hub" option , with rented back up facilities in Newry and Belfast.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on September 07, 2019, 01:21:43 PM
Interesting to note that our neighbours in Armagh have recently approved ambitious plans for a new training complex. Where? Portadown. No panic about sponsors, prime location etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 07, 2019, 01:42:20 PM
Moan if the county board take action, moan if they don't. Moan they try to develop a strategy and base for future, ridicule their decision. Criticise people for not making a decision 2 decades ago, argue with what they're trying to do now.

Arguably 9 of the last starting team would be closer to Ballykinlar than Newry, would that be right? Players from Bredagh, Carryduff, Castlewellan, Bryansford, Loughinisland, Longstone, Kilcoo. The rest surely the difference is minimal, thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 07, 2019, 01:48:30 PM
Tommy if you're looking at the make-up of last year's starting team, instead of future population trends, then I hope you're not involved in strategy for anything, anywhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 07, 2019, 02:22:28 PM
Wobbler - Is there a correlation between demographics and those in the county team? How many Newry based footballers have been on the county panel in recent times? We can all talk about the pull of labour to the urban areas such as Dublin, but the game has moved away from the blue collar workers to more white collar in my opinion. And you talk about strategy - What's your strategy? Spend outside their budget for somewhere in Newry or surrounding, with less space? Sounds good, where do I sign up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 07, 2019, 05:55:38 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 07, 2019, 01:42:20 PM
Moan if the county board take action, moan if they don't. Moan they try to develop a strategy and base for future, ridicule their decision. Criticise people for not making a decision 2 decades ago, argue with what they're trying to do now.

Arguably 9 of the last starting team would be closer to Ballykinlar than Newry, would that be right? Players from Bredagh, Carryduff, Castlewellan, Bryansford, Loughinisland, Longstone, Kilcoo. The rest surely the difference is minimal, thoughts?

It's unfair to describe rationale debate as moaning.
As a strategy for the county , we need to
Make it as easy as possible for our senior county players given that they are likely to be either working full time or full time students thus it's reasonable to try to minimise travel time/expenses. We already have access to the Abbey which works well and similarly some senior/u20 training in Belfast midweek makes sense . However as a weekend hub it should be central and in the absence of a realistic alternative in the Castlewellan-hilltown corridor , Ballykinlar is the best alternative . It's handy to the bulk of our senior footballers and hurlers  especially at the weekend with less traffic and more free time. There are several areas of Tyrone and Donegal much less accessible to their excellence centres than newry is to Ballykinlar . There Is no club in Down further away from Ballykinlar than several of our current county players are from Newry. There is no other realistic alternative. Ballykinlar it is then, let's make it happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 07, 2019, 06:02:33 PM
Castlewellan to go straight down, RGU v the Bridge in a play off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 07, 2019, 08:58:58 PM
While TerrificTommy could also have included players in the last starting team from Glasdrumman, Saul and Downpatrick as coming from areas reasonably close to Ballykinlar, Wobbler is correct to stress that demographics need to be taken into consideration. There is still is no escaping the reality that the three fastest growing clubs in Down are arguably Bredagh, Carryduff and St Paul's of Holywood. The overall balance of footballing locations and the requirements of the hurlers and the two women's codes take us pretty inescapably to Ballykinlar. Every venue has its positives and negatives, and anyone who has been to Garvaghy knows that it is built on an exposed hill top where the wind and the rain would cut you in two for most of the year. However, Tyrone teams at all levels have gained huge benefits since it opened and Ballykinlar can do the same for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 07, 2019, 11:14:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 07, 2019, 08:58:58 PM
While TerrificTommy could also have included players in the last starting team from Glasdrumman, Saul and Downpatrick as coming from areas reasonably close to Ballykinlar, Wobbler is correct to stress that demographics need to be taken into consideration. There is still is no escaping the reality that the three fastest growing clubs in Down are arguably Bredagh, Carryduff and St Paul's of Holywood. The overall balance of footballing locations and the requirements of the hurlers and the two women's codes take us pretty inescapably to Ballykinlar. Every venue has its positives and negatives, and anyone who has been to Garvaghy knows that it is built on an exposed hill top where the wind and the rain would cut you in two for most of the year. However, Tyrone teams at all levels have gained huge benefits since it opened and Ballykinlar can do the same for us.
Weather/altitude Of Ballykinlar also gives it an edge. Importantly as a floodlit facility , it means that all clubs in Down will now have access to floodlights , which will
Improve participation and fixture planning .
With so many positives, There would need to be a realistic alternative to ballykinlar found pretty soon ( and I don't see it) , otherwise we should plough on and support a potentially transformative addition to our playing facilities
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 08, 2019, 09:26:32 AM
I know of east down clubs who, in the pursuit of training facilities have travelled to the Abbey just to train, the money aspect may on the face of it seem sound, but any organisation sponsoring Down isn't concerned where the team trains, its concerned about exposure, the team will still play in Newry , that won't change, Ballykinlar will offer clubs facilities under lights, ability to hold juvenile tournaments for our development squads.
We have at last something to strive towards , it ticks a lot of boxes, no one likes change for change sake but when we have the prospect of having a facility which will benefit our football and hurling squads for years to come we have to embrace the opportunity not make petty arguments in opposition which will ultimately prove fruitless.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 08, 2019, 09:56:29 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 08, 2019, 09:26:32 AM
I know of east down clubs who, in the pursuit of training facilities have travelled to the Abbey just to train, the money aspect may on the face of it seem sound, but any organisation sponsoring Down isn't concerned where the team trains, its concerned about exposure, the team will still play in Newry , that won't change, Ballykinlar will offer clubs facilities under lights, ability to hold juvenile tournaments for our development squads.
We have at last something to strive towards , it ticks a lot of boxes, no one likes change for change sake but when we have the prospect of having a facility which will benefit our football and hurling squads for years to come we have to embrace the opportunity not make petty arguments in opposition which will ultimately prove fruitless.


All you see is positives. And I'm happy for you.

What I can see is an impasse a few years after it opens when management teams at every level begin requesting St Colman's, The Abbey and The Dub on a regular basis, in attempts to manage player discord. So long as the county board of that time don't try to force every team to Ballykinlar, it will only be an issue for a short while before being accepted as one of those things.

If they approach it with the edict that everything goes to Kinlar, then the project will become a byword for disharmony.

Kick that can down the road if you want Cuan. Pretend to yourself that everyone will be delighted to travel to the arse end of beyond for what is, for all intents and purposes, the same strip of grass and floodlights they've driven past 20 times en route. This a very real issue and it will rear its head by the end of year 1.

This is not an anti Ballyknlar stance. There are a lot of positives about the project. But anyone who genuinely believes that the facilities will always overcome the location, is taking too many happy pills.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 08, 2019, 11:34:20 AM
Ok Wobbler, what's the alternative, we messed up with Burrenbridge, there's nothing else out there, so it's ok for players from east down to go to newry but not for south down players to do the opposite, I believe the glass always to be half full, I believe with the development of Ballykinlar we will see an improvement in our u de rage teams which will ultimately feed through to our senior team, we can't develop our training centre as a temporary measure, we need and I believe we will have a first class facility, I know Wobbler you may have to travel more than 10-15 mins but spare a thought for those  of us who for the last no's of decades have travelled to Newry to train play and watch, oh and as a footnote, the senior teams hurling, football men's and ladies have used Ballykinlar on a regular basis up to now so what's going to be so different?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 08, 2019, 12:12:59 PM
At this point Cuan it's not about alternatives. Kinlar is going to happen.

What we do though need is some forward planning and commonsense in terms of its practicality as a a sole venue for county team training.

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By the way your constant beating of  the "it was good enough for East Down, so suck it up you south Down pricks" line is genuinely grating (as well as insular, smallminded, selfish, and ultimately horse shit).

Only when you begin accepting that Ballykinlar is an inconvenient location for dozens of clubs, for anyone working/living in Belfast or Co Antrim, for anyone working in Dublin, and for every single visiting county in Ireland, and see how these factors balance against it being super convenient for a dozen clubs, then will you realise this is not a south down /east down issue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on September 08, 2019, 01:22:33 PM
An excellent development opportunity for Down GAA which certainly outweighs it's less than ideal location. You're clutching at straws when you are using inconveniencing the opposition in your argument (that's a good thing!)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 08, 2019, 03:06:00 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 08, 2019, 12:12:59 PM
At this point Cuan it's not about alternatives. Kinlar is going to happen.

What we do though need is some forward planning and commonsense in terms of its practicality as a a sole venue for county team training.

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By the way your constant beating of  the "it was good enough for East Down, so suck it up you south Down pricks" line is genuinely grating (as well as insular, smallminded, selfish, and ultimately horse shit).

Only when you begin accepting that Ballykinlar is an inconvenient location for dozens of clubs, for anyone working/living in Belfast or Co Antrim, for anyone working in Dublin, and for every single visiting county in Ireland, and see how these factors balance against it being super convenient for a dozen clubs, then will you realise this is not a south down /east down issue.
Rather than a knee jerk reaction to wobbler's comments , it would serve us better to try to minimise his very genuine concerns , which are obviously in the interests of Down GAA. Because he's direct, and doesn't pull any punches, it doesn't lessen his valid arguments.
Many counties have missed a trick in throwing all their eggs into a single centre of excellence, often resulting in an underused expensive white elephant, and we should instead aim to have Ballykinlar as a state of the art base, augmenting our existing (rented) facilities.
Those with a geographical knowledge will realise that Ballykinlar's sea level location , weather and soil type already give it an edge on mountain based owenbeg and garvaghey , for example , in terms of exposure to the elements , 365 day availability and low maintenance. Because it's an area poorly served by floodlit facilities and highest density of clubs , and close two 3 of our biggest GAA towns( Downpatrick, Newcastle, Castlewellan, there'll be obvious participation benefits.
It is also much more accessible to Bredagh /Carryduff than newry is.
Ballykinlar will serve very well as our hub, but I feel DownGAA must also aim to guarantee continued use of Newry and Belfast, if we are to optimise our player friendliness ( which is vital to success).
Much as Ballykinlar isn't a perfect location, for infrastructure, it's in the middle of our county and is cost effective. There are already loads of floodlit venues around Newry , providing more Newry facilities  at greater expense would be hard to justify. On a final note , accesibility of a centre of excellence for travelling counties would be a low priority factor in decision making in optimising our own resources . We should remember that the vast majority of county activity at excellence centres will be at weekends, when infrastructure has much less relevance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 08, 2019, 03:10:38 PM
Wobbler , we all want the same thing and that is successful teams representing Down, presently we are falling further behind our provincial rivals, no matter where our center of excellence goes it will be inconvenient for some, it's not an us v them as you have alluded to, it's a fundamental need if we are to progress and be successful.
Ballykinlar will give us sand based training pitches at a fraction of the cost of what it would cost elsewhere in the county, we aren't exactly dripping in cash so it's too good an opportunity to pass up, I believe in debate and most of the comment here is genuine concerns but unless some one has a credible and viable alternative Ballykinlar is the only show in town.
As a county we leak thousands of pounds in pitch fees for training in the Abbey,St Colman's and the Red High.
When Ballykinlar is developed the payment of these fees will drop which I believe are approx 90 pds per hour so a liability each year can be turned into an asset - so financially it's a sound prospect.
Plus wobbler you will be able to go for a paddle in the sea !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 08, 2019, 08:59:28 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 08, 2019, 11:34:20 AM
Ok Wobbler, what's the alternative, we messed up with Burrenbridge, there's nothing else out there, so it's ok for players from east down to go to newry but not for south down players to do the opposite

Newry to me is not a viable option. It would be utterly daft to situate the centre at one end of the county. It'd mean someone travelling from Downpatrick would take ~50mins.


To me, the lack of alternative is no excuse for being forced into an expensive mistake. Better to keep the money for when somewhere more suitable does come up.

Based on 7.30pm arrival time:
Its 40 mins from Cherryvale to Annaclone.
Its 40 mins from Cherryvale to Castlewellan.
Its 45 mins from Cherryvale to Ballykinlar.

You can't seriously tell me that Ballykinlar is the best place for it when the road links are so so poor. Are the Down GAA going to fund improvement of the road from Clough to Ballykinlar?


It is unfortunate that the roads in down are so shite, but we have to live with what we have.

The Finn would probably be the best place if you were not considering players outside the county - its approx equal travel times from Newry and from Cherryvale.
If your considering players travelling from outside the county, then you wanna get closer to the A1.

I suppose my two sentences above raises a question - would it be better to be looking at separate facilities for seniors vs. the underage teams? The underage teams aren't going to be drawing many from outside the county.

Either way, Ballykinlar is very much a sub-optimal solution. For something that we would want to last decades, say yes because its the only land available at the moment strikes me as poor decision making.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 08, 2019, 10:04:10 PM
Radio your described as being a hero member on this forum with hundreds of posts, I bet you have had a right good moan about all things Down, but all the moaning won't stop Ballykinlar from happening and guys like yourself need to get behind this project , there's no other alternative and to start talking about split facilities is ludicrous if you have been to a county convention over the last no's of years you will have heard we aren't endowed with cash.
Also the clubs on a majority vote basis have backed this ,that's called democracy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 08, 2019, 10:22:05 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 08, 2019, 08:59:28 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 08, 2019, 11:34:20 AM
Ok Wobbler, what's the alternative, we messed up with Burrenbridge, there's nothing else out there, so it's ok for players from east down to go to newry but not for south down players to do the opposite

Newry to me is not a viable option. It would be utterly daft to situate the centre at one end of the county. It'd mean someone travelling from Downpatrick would take ~50mins.


To me, the lack of alternative is no excuse for being forced into an expensive mistake. Better to keep the money for when somewhere more suitable does come up.

Based on 7.30pm arrival time:
Its 40 mins from Cherryvale to Annaclone.
Its 40 mins from Cherryvale to Castlewellan.
Its 45 mins from Cherryvale to Ballykinlar.

You can't seriously tell me that Ballykinlar is the best place for it when the road links are so so poor. Are the Down GAA going to fund improvement of the road from Clough to Ballykinlar?


It is unfortunate that the roads in down are so shite, but we have to live with what we have.

The Finn would probably be the best place if you were not considering players outside the county - its approx equal travel times from Newry and from Cherryvale.
If your considering players travelling from outside the county, then you wanna get closer to the A1.

I suppose my two sentences above raises a question - would it be better to be looking at separate facilities for seniors vs. the underage teams? The underage teams aren't going to be drawing many from outside the county.

Either way, Ballykinlar is very much a sub-optimal solution. For something that we would want to last decades, say yes because its the only land available at the moment strikes me as poor decision making.
I understand the concerns but Ballykinlar is best as a hub for the following reasons:
It's available
Low cost for purchase cost and maintenance
No planning  issues
Local need for optimal usage
Fairly central
Geographical advantages
Quick turnaround

I could go on

Utilisation of the Abbey for
Midweek senior sessions will tick most boxes.
No other venue will get near to these advantages


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 08, 2019, 11:17:46 PM
This discussion has descended a little and has probably run its course. However, it should be pointed out that no one would seriously make a decision based on distances from Cherryvale alone, and the times quoted by RadioGaaGaa are wrong anyway as the route goes through Clough which is closer to  Ballykinlar than Castlewellan. Suggesting that Aughlisnafin would be a a much more suitable choice also makes no sense as it is barely five miles from Ballykinlar and very unfairly has already had planning issues over GAA facilities. Planning has always to be a key concern, as Antrim Gaels have discovered not just over Casement Park but specifically over their own centre of excellence at Dunsilly. Ballykinlar does not seem to be facing any sustainable objections from neighbours or over access and is a wide open location blessed with decent weather and sandy soil. It is reasonably central, allowing for the overdue removal of a couple of bends on the three mile stretch from Clough, the funding is in place and the delegates to the county board have endorsed it. Having watched rival counties surge ahead of us in terms of facilities and performances, we really going to argue over this for another couple of decades ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 09, 2019, 12:36:47 AM
Mourne Rover - well said, now who s going to win the prospective championships, because it could be a clean sweep for east down and we will have to travel to Newry to witness it( sorry Wobbler and Radio man couldn't resist)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 09, 2019, 12:37:38 AM
Maybe I'm being misunderstood here.

There's immense value in the Ballykinlar site, both as a general base for Down football and a de facto home for East Down football. It'll be playable all but 365 days a year and is clearly a financial gift.

Where my concerns stem principally come from is that should we invest significant capital into turning it into a state-of-the-art facility, our administrative bodies might wish to begin its life with a "ballykinlar or nowhere" policy.

That, to me, is the major issue.

Take two examples.

1. Over the past few seasons our u20 squads have trained regularly in the Dub. Although this is money leaving our county I would regard it as an extremely positive arrangement. If 20+ of a panel is based in Belfast, then carting the squad beyond Belfast makes no sense. The players are happy, and once you take mileage and buses out of the equation, even with Ballykinlar, it's basically a zero cost per night.

2. Our under-16 or under-17 management looking for a midweek challenge match. They phone the usual suspects - Monaghan, Louth, Meath, Cavan, Armagh, Derry, Antrim, Tyrone. The opposition management say that's fine, but we will host unless it's a Newry venue (first five) Belfast (second three). Down manager asks why, then e.g. Monaghan manager says "sure if it's Iniskeen, half your team will be home by 9.30, but if it's in Ballykinlar, none of our team sees their mammies before 10.30".

In either situation, Ballykinlar doesn't help us. It has clear plusses folks. But its remoteness will provide barriers. Address them. Don't create them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 09, 2019, 10:35:03 AM
What happened at the lgfa intermediate final on Saturday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 09, 2019, 11:30:17 AM
Quote from: downjim on September 09, 2019, 10:35:03 AM
What happened at the lgfa intermediate final on Saturday?
what did you hear yourself?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 09, 2019, 11:48:05 AM
Getting extremely tight at the foot of the table...lots of teams will be sweating with only 3/4 games to go for most. Fancy Castlewellan to get out of the automatic relegation spot. They'll pick up points somewhere in the run-in. RGU to go straight down for me, with Castlewellan playing CPN in the relegation play off. That could go either way. Massive credit must go to Ballyholland for the heart they've shown. I'm certainly not their biggest fan and have been very critical of how they conduct themselves on the pitch but I think they'll have a semi final to look forward to in the coming weeks. Starting to think Carryduff could turn over the yellas and sticking with Burren to beat Kilcoo. CPN will win easy if they show half their potential-Anybody's to win outright regardless of the 1/4 final results.

What's everyone's Predicitions for this weekend's games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 09, 2019, 11:48:06 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 06, 2019, 04:44:41 PM
Newry would be the best place for a centre of excellence
As wobbler says you got to think of work.
Dublin Belfast based players Newry is central. And lads working say in Newcastle it's only 30
Minutes

I presume that's a football centre of excellence you're talking about in Newry?

A location around Castlewellan is the best option for the whole county and all codes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 09, 2019, 11:55:45 AM
Think we all heard the rumours from Saturday
Burren v Harps Clonduff v CPN in semis
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 09, 2019, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 09, 2019, 12:37:38 AM
Maybe I'm being misunderstood here.

There's immense value in the Ballykinlar site, both as a general base for Down football and a de facto home for East Down football. It'll be playable all but 365 days a year and is clearly a financial gift.

Where my concerns stem principally come from is that should we invest significant capital into turning it into a state-of-the-art facility, our administrative bodies might wish to begin its life with a "ballykinlar or nowhere" policy.

That, to me, is the major issue.

Take two examples.

1. Over the past few seasons our u20 squads have trained regularly in the Dub. Although this is money leaving our county I would regard it as an extremely positive arrangement. If 20+ of a panel is based in Belfast, then carting the squad beyond Belfast makes no sense. The players are happy, and once you take mileage and buses out of the equation, even with Ballykinlar, it's basically a zero cost per night.

2. Our under-16 or under-17 management looking for a midweek challenge match. They phone the usual suspects - Monaghan, Louth, Meath, Cavan, Armagh, Derry, Antrim, Tyrone. The opposition management say that's fine, but we will host unless it's a Newry venue (first five) Belfast (second three). Down manager asks why, then e.g. Monaghan manager says "sure if it's Iniskeen, half your team will be home by 9.30, but if it's in Ballykinlar, none of our team sees their mammies before 10.30".

In either situation, Ballykinlar doesn't help us. It has clear plusses folks. But its remoteness will provide barriers. Address them. Don't create them.

Valid points:
1. For this reason it Makes sense to continue this dub/abbey option and effectively should save money
2. Midweek challenge matches ( which are very time consuming) at exam prep time , should be completely discouraged for player welfare reasons. If we have any serious challenge matches we should aim to  be in Páirc Esler where we will be playing our home games, and we should also take the opportunity for away challenges again to help planning for our away competitive fixtures.

In short , I agree that we should retain the option of Dub and Abbey, allowing midweek training to be as player friendly as possible , but We must plough ahead with Ballykinlar as it appears to be the best option by some distance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 09, 2019, 01:27:10 PM
Think Castlewellan will go straight down then Bryansford in the playoff, fancy kilcoo in the big one think they will want it more after last year. Then I'll go for the bridge, Carryduff and CPN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 09, 2019, 04:10:17 PM
Yew tree , Wobbler and all the rest of the south down brigade , for years players from east down have travelled to hilltown and Newry, players who served their county with distinction from the following clubs, Carryduff, Bredagh,Loughinisland , Downpatrick,Ardglass,Teccouaght,Kilclief to name a few, did they complain, he'll no they f king got on with it, so what's different if some guys have to travel to east down to train, the current hurling squad trains in Downpatrick and there are a few from south down and I've heard no complaints, but then the wobble brigade who know everything about down football maybe no different and to trot out a few serious football people have concerns doesn't wash, ask Greg Blaney , John Kelly Neil Collins Brendan Mason Gary Mason Dan Gordon,Alan Molloy, Barry Breen ,Conor Deegan, to name a few about travelling to training, did they complain, no , they got on with the job in hand because they wanted to play for their county, they made excuses to get to training not excuses to get out of it , so get over yourselves, financially it makes sense, logistically it's no worse than what we have had to put up with before, and wobbles the SFC, IFC and JFC will all be coming to east down, your team got lucky last time out , you have some decent young players who hopefully will be playing in the red and black so get the sat nav updated in case you get lost going to Ballykinlar 💙😂❤️🖤
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 09, 2019, 04:58:42 PM
Couple of marginal calls but I'm going with:
Clonduff
Mayobridge
CPN
Kilkoo

Ballymartin
DarraghCross
St Johns
Glenn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pascal Brennan on September 09, 2019, 05:22:34 PM
Kind of apt that 'Jim' has a burner account created now called Yewtree. I'd fair say same fella would qualify for the same 'Operation'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 09, 2019, 06:26:03 PM
Yew tree tell me what level you played at and what you won, all of the names I mentioned were superstars in gaa terms , they could have played at any level, they would have adapted they would have trained but most of all they would not trot out horse shit of excuses, I had the honour of playing with and against these men and they wouldn't used distance and facilities as excuses, I would love to meet these serious gaa men you trot out who are against Ballykinlar , I believe some very narrowed mi def people are against this, Parc Esler will always be our pitch and is in south down, why can't we have a centre of excellence  in East Down, it's voted on at county board ,its passed and all the bull shit excuses won't change it, so show some respect to ex down players, get a good sat nav and start supporting your county, I would love to call you some bad names here but you are a down Gael and I respect that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 09, 2019, 08:12:41 PM
I played u14 B in '82 with big mick and dan the man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 09, 2019, 08:44:45 PM
I played against and with POR, against Ross Carr, against Pete McGrath , managed by Sean I Neill and the late Pat oHare and every one of those men and a dozen more like them are not worried about location but having a facility to call our own and be proud of, so get on board .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 09, 2019, 10:01:10 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 08, 2019, 10:04:10 PMbut all the moaning won't stop Ballykinlar from happening and guys like yourself need to get behind this project , there's no other alternative

You sound like Boris f**king Johnson.

You just need to believe more and we'll get Ballykinlar done and there will be rivers of chocolate and pots of gold at the end of the rainbows.  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on September 09, 2019, 10:07:30 PM
Couldn't care less who you Cuan played against - your points regarding Ballykinler are out of touch with followers of Down Football.We don't want it located there , there will be a boycott in essence managers won't train there ,clubs like Harps,Burren or The Bridge won't tolerate it.
East Down Rehabilitation Centre perhaps to get East Down up to a bit of a level.And please refrain from the old chestnut of naming a few old men from there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 09, 2019, 10:30:45 PM
Few facts , east down club has dominated the SFC in the last decade, east down club won't ulster intermediate c ship, last year all three c ship trophies last year, so why in heavens name locate everything in south down, the amount of dis respect to east down players is in real, we don't show the same towards south down players , coaches and administrators, quite the opposite , A tricolour and a red and black flag over Ballykinlar will warm the heart of this Gael and fellow Gael's, you don't want involved f k off and watch Newry City or Warrenpoint Town , after all only take you 10 mins and tickets won't be hard to come by
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 09, 2019, 10:57:30 PM
Quote from: yewtree on September 09, 2019, 10:07:30 PM
Couldn't care less who you Cuan played against - your points regarding Ballykinler are out of touch with followers of Down Football.We don't want it located there , there will be a boycott in essence managers won't train there ,clubs like Harps,Burren or The Bridge won't tolerate it.
East Down Rehabilitation Centre perhaps to get East Down up to a bit of a level.And please refrain from the old chestnut of naming a few old men from there.

Yewtree I give you this much your entertaining  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 09, 2019, 11:12:32 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 09, 2019, 10:35:03 AM
What happened at the lgfa intermediate final on Saturday?

I heard there were punches thrown by a Kilcoo man on the stand side. I was on the opposite side so didn't see it, happy to be corrected if its wrong. What I did see was Conor Lavery running all the way round the pitch to abuse the lineswoman who had advised the ref to give a yellow card to a Kilcoo player. It was unnecessary and unsporting and a really bad example to young players, as Kilcoo were much the better team and never in danger of defeat.
This shouldn't take away from what was a great occasion; hats off to the organisers. The Down LGFA are unsung heroes, providing games for our young women despite operating with a tiny budget.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 10, 2019, 07:45:57 AM
Quote from: befair on September 09, 2019, 11:12:32 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 09, 2019, 10:35:03 AM
What happened at the lgfa intermediate final on Saturday?

I heard there were punches thrown by a Kilcoo man on the stand side. I was on the opposite side so didn't see it, happy to be corrected if its wrong. What I did see was Conor Lavery running all the way round the pitch to abuse the lineswoman who had advised the ref to give a yellow card to a Kilcoo player. It was unnecessary and unsporting and a really bad example to young players, as Kilcoo were much the better team and never in danger of defeat.
This shouldn't take away from what was a great occasion; hats off to the organisers. The Down LGFA are unsung heroes, providing games for our young women despite operating with a tiny budget.

The only balls I want to see a woman handling are my own.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 10, 2019, 09:15:44 AM
The only balls I want to see a woman handling are my own.
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But the reality Charlie is - you'll probably never see it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on September 10, 2019, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 09, 2019, 10:30:45 PM
Few facts , east down club has dominated the SFC in the last decade, east down club won't ulster intermediate c ship, last year all three c ship trophies last year, so why in heavens name locate everything in south down, the amount of dis respect to east down players is in real, we don't show the same towards south down players , coaches and administrators, quite the opposite , A tricolour and a red and black flag over Ballykinlar will warm the heart of this Gael and fellow Gael's, you don't want involved f k off and watch Newry City or Warrenpoint Town , after all only take you 10 mins and tickets won't be hard to come by

Well, bar the important one.... unless Burren teletransported last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 10, 2019, 11:14:30 AM
Apologies to all Burren supporters
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 10, 2019, 11:44:52 AM
Cuan let it go. Most people know that after Kilcoo Gaelic is not taking seriously enough in east down. You just need to look at the clubs competing in semi finals year in fear out at u derange. Kilcoo Clonduff CPN Burren Mayobridge Ballyholland. I'll give you Carryduff are going well to at present. But can you really say underage clubs in east down are putting in the proper work? Yes you will always get a senior team who gets a good few years like Loughinisland but at underage they are no where to be seen. I agree Ballykinlar needs to the our centre of excellence but everyone knows it's all happening in south down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on September 10, 2019, 11:48:06 AM
Cuan never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Seriously for last 15 years all we hear is this constant East Down complaining.Facts are the standard in East Down is aweful except Kilcoo which really is a kind of separate entity.
I'd imagine if we asked Kilcoo they'd prefer Newry like all the big clubs around Newry.
Asking people from the football powerbases to travel away to Ballykinler is not fair at all on students ,managers etc recovery and sitting in a car for 2 hours is not right.Yes we might have a few from East Down travelling a distance so be it they are a minority.For the greater good leave Ballykinler to be run for the people over there and to try and bring their standards up.
This may sound very bias but I'd go as far to say we could field a better team and better team spirit and camaderie if we just picked from South Down.Now I'm being a bit extreme there but overall point is build and grow what we have a strong South Down to being even stronger and bring the few exceptions from East Down over.We can do this in Abbey or College.Leave Ballykinler as East Down Football Rehabilation Centre.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 10, 2019, 11:52:25 AM
Quote from: befair on September 09, 2019, 11:12:32 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 09, 2019, 10:35:03 AM
What happened at the lgfa intermediate final on Saturday?
What I did see was Conor Lavery running all the way round the pitch to abuse the lineswoman who had advised the ref to give a yellow card to a Kilcoo player. It was unnecessary and unsporting and a really bad example to young players, as Kilcoo were much the better team and never in danger of defeat.

Think this could be a case of mistaken identity
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 10, 2019, 01:28:09 PM
If I could ban two words from this board, it would be East and South.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 10, 2019, 02:54:21 PM
Yew tree , now I know your trying to make mischief, Ballykinlar is here , east down teams have always had a healthy representation at county level, have a look at all the teams who won all Ireland's, history doesn't lie,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on September 10, 2019, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 10, 2019, 11:44:52 AM
Cuan let it go. Most people know that after Kilcoo Gaelic is not taking seriously enough in east down. You just need to look at the clubs competing in semi finals year in fear out at u derange. Kilcoo Clonduff CPN Burren Mayobridge Ballyholland. I'll give you Carryduff are going well to at present. But can you really say underage clubs in east down are putting in the proper work? Yes you will always get a senior team who gets a good few years like Loughinisland but at underage they are no where to be seen. I agree Ballykinlar needs to the our centre of excellence but everyone knows it's all happening in south down

I and I'm sure plenty other take great offence at this as a member of an east Down club involved in underage coaching. This east/south argument is a nonsense started by a wum but that comment is out of order in relation to any club, every club in Down have volunteers putting hours in to developing the youth otherwise they wouldn't exist.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 10, 2019, 03:13:39 PM
👍👏👏👏
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 10, 2019, 04:28:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 10, 2019, 01:28:09 PM
If I could ban two words from this board, it would be East and South.

Well said, affinity to East or South Down, makes absolutely no sense, We should be judged only as a whole county, many areas of the county have strengths and weaknesses and we can all leRn from these
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 10, 2019, 04:37:04 PM
Quote from: PTC on September 10, 2019, 11:52:25 AM
Quote from: befair on September 09, 2019, 11:12:32 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 09, 2019, 10:35:03 AM
What happened at the lgfa intermediate final on Saturday?
What I did see was Conor Lavery running all the way round the pitch to abuse the lineswoman who had advised the ref to give a yellow card to a Kilcoo player. It was unnecessary and unsporting and a really bad example to young players, as Kilcoo were much the better team and never in danger of defeat.

Think this could be a case of mistaken identity

Definitely not; I've always admired Conor Lavery as a player, and Kilcoo as a club, but this behaviour was a very bad example to young gaels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on September 10, 2019, 05:21:47 PM
Quote from: befair on September 10, 2019, 04:37:04 PM
Quote from: PTC on September 10, 2019, 11:52:25 AM
Quote from: befair on September 09, 2019, 11:12:32 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 09, 2019, 10:35:03 AM
What happened at the lgfa intermediate final on Saturday?
What I did see was Conor Lavery running all the way round the pitch to abuse the lineswoman who had advised the ref to give a yellow card to a Kilcoo player. It was unnecessary and unsporting and a really bad example to young players, as Kilcoo were much the better team and never in danger of defeat.

The sooner he heads to Monaghan the better it seems. Not been a good couple of weeks for him it seems.
Think this could be a case of mistaken identity

Definitely not; I've always admired Conor Lavery as a player, and Kilcoo as a club, but this behaviour was a very bad example to young gaels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on September 10, 2019, 06:11:09 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on September 10, 2019, 05:21:47 PM
Quote from: befair on September 10, 2019, 04:37:04 PM
Quote from: PTC on September 10, 2019, 11:52:25 AM
Quote from: befair on September 09, 2019, 11:12:32 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 09, 2019, 10:35:03 AM
What happened at the lgfa intermediate final on Saturday?
What I did see was Conor Lavery running all the way round the pitch to abuse the lineswoman who had advised the ref to give a yellow card to a Kilcoo player. It was unnecessary and unsporting and a really bad example to young players, as Kilcoo were much the better team and never in danger of defeat.

Need to be very careful before launching a personal attack!! It was not CONOR laverty!!




The sooner he heads to Monaghan the better it seems. Not been a good couple of weeks for him it seems.
Think this could be a case of mistaken identity

Definitely not; I've always admired Conor Lavery as a player, and Kilcoo as a club, but this behaviour was a very bad example to young gaels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on September 10, 2019, 06:20:09 PM
On the Ballykinlar discussion. The whole East vs South Down angle is unnecessary and divisive (although I think many of the contributors just enjoy rattling each others' cages!).

I think the issue is: what is the purpose of the Centre?

As a training facility: Down isn't a particularly big county and Ballykinlar is no more that 40 mins or so away from any part of the county. I have driven to Downpatrick, Newry, Belfast and many clubs in between for several years taking kids to dev squads and they are many others who do the same.
If you designate one place as the training venue there are always going to be pros and cons - cost - closer to A than B - quality of land etc - you're never going to satisfy everyone in Down, but those who have been committed to getting to training for years in the many venues used will continue to do so.

The second use is as a venue for matches - challenge or competitive - which is what all of the other CoEs in neighbouring counties do.

This is where Ballykinlar falls short.

If you look at all the other CoEs:

Louth: 10 mins from M1
Antrim: just off M2
Derry: on the A6
Tyrone: on the A5
Monaghan: 10 mins from N2
Cavan: just off N3/N55

All beside main roads through the county - obviously this suits travelling teams in particular.

Ballykinlar with it's position right on the East coast is quite difficult to get to for travelling teams.

The solution proposed by someone else to use Newry as the location for challenge games also has problems. It isn't called the Marshes for nothing.

From September through to May you are unlikely to be allowed to play in Pairc Esler much due to concerns over pitch damage. Only this year the u17s were due to play Offaly before the senior League match and had to be moved last minute doe to the Mitchels further down the Ind estate - as you can imagine the surface there was an embarassment.

So there would need to be a lot of work in Newry to use that as a venue all year round.

Or it's back to using club grounds, the Abbey, St Colmans, and the Dub (latter 2 aren't even in Down) as match venues for underage teams.

So if it's just a training centre Ballykinlar is fine.

As a venue for those coming from outside the county it is quite remote - it'll be interesting to see if it works for travelling teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on September 10, 2019, 06:27:12 PM
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on September 10, 2019, 06:11:09 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on September 10, 2019, 05:21:47 PM
Quote from: befair on September 10, 2019, 04:37:04 PM
Quote from: PTC on September 10, 2019, 11:52:25 AM
Quote from: befair on September 09, 2019, 11:12:32 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 09, 2019, 10:35:03 AM
What happened at the lgfa intermediate final on Saturday?
What I did see was Conor Lavery running all the way round the pitch to abuse the lineswoman who had advised the ref to give a yellow card to a Kilcoo player. It was unnecessary and unsporting and a really bad example to young players, as Kilcoo were much the better team and never in danger of defeat.

Need to be very careful before launching a personal attack!! It was not CONOR laverty!!




The sooner he heads to Monaghan the better it seems. Not been a good couple of weeks for him it seems.
Think this could be a case of mistaken identity

Definitely not; I've always admired Conor Lavery as a player, and Kilcoo as a club, but this behaviour was a very bad example to young gaels.
Sorry to be clear it was not CONOR Laverty, definite mistaken identity!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 10, 2019, 06:29:23 PM
What I did see was Conor Lavery running all the way round the pitch to abuse the lineswoman who had advised the ref to give a yellow card to a Kilcoo player. It was unnecessary and unsporting and a really bad example to young players, as Kilcoo were much the better team and never in danger of defeat.

The sooner he heads to Monaghan the better it seems. Not been a good couple of weeks for him it seems
🤙

Definitely not; I've always admired Conor Lavery as a player, and Kilcoo as a club, but this behaviour was a very bad example to young gaels.

This mans behaviour on or of the pitch never surprises me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 10, 2019, 06:56:04 PM
Quote from: elk on September 10, 2019, 06:29:23 PM
What I did see was Conor Lavery running all the way round the pitch to abuse the lineswoman who had advised the ref to give a yellow card to a Kilcoo player. It was unnecessary and unsporting and a really bad example to young players, as Kilcoo were much the better team and never in danger of defeat.

The sooner he heads to Monaghan the better it seems. Not been a good couple of weeks for him it seems
🤙

Definitely not; I've always admired Conor Lavery as a player, and Kilcoo as a club, but this behaviour was a very bad example to young gaels.

This mans behaviour on or of the pitch never surprises me

It was outside the wire; ID is correct
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 10, 2019, 08:33:54 PM
Is the other wee fella that coaches kilcoo ladies not Conor's mini me. That's perhaps why the identity is wrong. Or maybe Conor was outside the wire causing havoc. Either way I wasn't there to witness. The fact that no one is disputing the allegation but the accused must mean there is plenty of truth in it. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 10, 2019, 08:59:37 PM
Quote from: yewtree on September 10, 2019, 08:26:17 PM
I don't want any East South Division I just feel people need a reality check on the weaknesses in 'less strong area' of Down.No one wants to insult the dedication of coaches over there but just maybe if the coaching was better the standard over there would be better.
I am just fed up being railroaded into Ballykinler when we have Abbey and College built and already there.
If you did a straw poll in Harps Club or Fagans in 'point all the big football men would agree with me.This whole saga could cause serious animosity and division which at times isnt great anyway.

Very good,😂,
You nearly had me there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on September 11, 2019, 01:11:43 AM
Some amount of shite being spouted on here these last few pages. cant decide though wums or idiots, maybe both.  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on September 11, 2019, 11:34:00 AM
Looking ahead to Frank O'Hare - big chance for 'point this year.Wouldn't it be great to have final in Parc Esler and 'point and Burren in it.Would create some buzz .It would be the final most neutrals would want.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on September 11, 2019, 12:28:20 PM
Quote from: yewtree on September 11, 2019, 11:34:00 AM
Looking ahead to Frank O'Hare - big chance for 'point this year.Wouldn't it be great to have final in Parc Esler and 'point and Burren in it.Would create some buzz .It would be the final most neutrals would want.

I can guarantee that 95% of people would rather not see a burren and CPN final 😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 11, 2019, 01:26:34 PM
Hear hear, this is the year I'm supporting Kilcoo, Warrenpoint are hateful and Burren not a million miles behind them,so it's the magpies for me , and every east down club in their prospective championship , but maybe our coaches aren't good enough.🤪🤪
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 11, 2019, 07:13:16 PM
Think it's a really open senior championship this year the intermediate will be between glen and daragh cross I think and maybe bright for the junior though the fin have come on a lot and wouldn't be surprised if they where to win it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on September 12, 2019, 01:27:41 PM
Burren v CPN in a county final? Usually 1st teams play their 2nds in challenge games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 12, 2019, 03:33:35 PM
Warrenpoint will be in no county final be it hurling or football, when did they last win a senior final, I'm guessing the late seventies/ early eighties against Downpatrick - could be wrong ,contained Emmet mcgivernr, Pat oHare Peter Rooney etc, all gentlemen , not like the present shower of a holes who masquerade as supporters
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on September 12, 2019, 05:00:30 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 12, 2019, 03:33:35 PM
Warrenpoint will be in no county final be it hurling or football, when did they last win a senior final, I'm guessing the late seventies/ early eighties against Downpatrick - could be wrong ,contained Emmet mcgivernr, Pat oHare Peter Rooney etc, all gentlemen , not like the present shower of a holes who masquerade as supporters
1953
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 12, 2019, 05:09:36 PM
Thanks maiden , I will remember that date 1953 every time that pray from Warrenpoint mentions anything about championships or top 4 teams , I've heard of a slow burner but that's taking the Michael, would that be the reason they have taken to the hurling, some good coaches in Warrenpoint
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Akinfenwa on September 13, 2019, 12:49:34 AM
One has to feel that Warrenpoint have a strong chance of making the final. If they draw the winners of the Duffs or the Bridge/Harps they could definitely have a shot at least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on September 13, 2019, 11:07:12 AM
The point will surely believe they have a good chance of making it to the Final. Big Murdock a boost for them at Full back. Expect Kilcoo Burren to be a feisty affair as usual and can see Burren edging it. Other 2 senior games tough to call. DarraghCross, Shamrocks both to progress in the intermediate. Glenn and Liatrom game of the championship I feel, some great players from the games I seen, Mc Crickard, Sands and Bagnall all been impressive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on September 13, 2019, 02:05:03 PM
Quote from: yewtree on September 13, 2019, 12:29:00 PM
Frank O'Hare very wide open but Burren and Point seem to be ahead of the rest.Clonduff a possibility but team spirit isn't there at the minute - friction on a few levels within I'm led to believe but the yellas have a history.
I don't like calling it an Intermediate or Junior I am more inclined to call Intermediate -'Reserve type ' and Junior -'Thirds Type' but these games are of little value except maybe in terms of helping tham become senior.
Just get a feeling Burren will shade it and Point can make it competitive and give a bit of glamour to Tom O'Hare that has been missing since the glory days of The Bridge.
I think it would take much more than these two teams to achieve that. Need a complete change to how football is played is what would be needed. But here's hoping..............
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 13, 2019, 02:10:30 PM
Quote from: yewtree on September 13, 2019, 12:29:00 PM
Frank O'Hare very wide open but Burren and Point seem to be ahead of the rest.Clonduff a possibility but team spirit isn't there at the minute - friction on a few levels within I'm led to believe but the yellas have a history.
I don't like calling it an Intermediate or Junior I am more inclined to call Intermediate -'Reserve type ' and Junior -'Thirds Type' but these games are of little value except maybe in terms of helping tham become senior.
Just get a feeling Burren will shade it and Point can make it competitive and give a bit of glamour to Tom O'Hare that has been missing since the glory days of The Bridge.
My god are yew downjim in disguise. That's some statement to come out with on intermediate and junior championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on September 13, 2019, 05:00:19 PM
Are Burren ahead of the rest based on their draws with the town and bridge or scraping past half a Rostrevor team? Asking for a friend....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on September 13, 2019, 08:13:23 PM
I don't believe so. It's an open competition
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 13, 2019, 09:20:22 PM
Can't wait for Ballyholland v RGU play off , looking very like it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 13, 2019, 11:58:52 PM
No real surprises tonight I see
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 14, 2019, 12:07:29 AM
Surprised Shamrocks beat Ballymartin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 14, 2019, 08:36:39 AM
Can't wait for ballyholland v rgu play off  my arse, if it's football , ballyholland lose, if it's fighting ballyholland  come second , and then it's all downhill , happy days , but sure,aren't  all the best coaches in south down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 14, 2019, 09:09:01 AM
I did put Ballymartin for the win but that game could always have gone either way, goals win games in this case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 14, 2019, 09:36:12 AM
so Castlewellan nearly relegated it looks like some bad times ahead for them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 14, 2019, 09:57:42 AM
I bet very few would have put them in this position at start of the year, me included.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on September 14, 2019, 01:31:26 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on September 13, 2019, 05:00:19 PM
Are Burren ahead of the rest based on their draws with the town and bridge or scraping past half a Rostrevor team? Asking for a friend....

Burren are a championship club that win championships - tradition carries a lot.The Point on the other hand could be on verge of creating history.Yourself I'm delighted you are promoted but I doubt you'll stay up-too many holidays and holiday homes your way, and Clonduff will walkover you.
Personally it would be good for the county if the Point could win it , turning into a real sports town with the success of Warrenpoint Town and a real goodwill within the town.Others could learn from it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 15, 2019, 12:07:12 AM
Please make it stop
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 15, 2019, 10:22:43 AM
yew tree still talking rubbish,Warrenpoint haven't won SFC since 1953 and in all honesty I  think they will have to wait another few years, still think Kilcoo will win SFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on September 15, 2019, 07:21:31 PM
Not a walkover by any means but a good learning curve for our lads. 6 u21s starting and 3 more on as subs. Good foundation to build on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 15, 2019, 10:04:19 PM
We haven't gone away you know. Last 4 again. Too 4 team in Down again. We haven't gone away
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on September 15, 2019, 10:25:18 PM
Some result for the Harps
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 15, 2019, 11:02:34 PM
Some result for harps number 15 was outstanding. Warrenpoint looking very impressive in the first game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 16, 2019, 12:24:53 AM
Quote from: yewtree on September 15, 2019, 11:58:25 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on September 15, 2019, 07:21:31 PM
Not a walkover by any means but a good learning curve for our lads. 6 u21s starting and 3 more on as subs. Good foundation to build on.

Don't be getting too carried away ,in the championship you only beat 2 poor East Down teams. The yellas shifted 2 dodgy goals and it put a flattering score line on it ,15 scores to 9 really tells the tale. Carryduff will be relegated next year even with their league of nations, very few actually from Carryduff that came through primary school together etc. and then their U21s made up of Antrim lads, Saul ,Darragh Cross etc.

As I said before Point are turning out to be a serious outfit , second year in a row as supersub says top4 but before the year is out Point will be the big talking point. A clear vision for the future regards facilities ,cross community and working very well with Warrenpoint Town. Imagine the buzz about Newry if it turns out to be Point v Burren Final.

Over to Burren tomorrow to do the business and set it up.

Good man smurph.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on September 16, 2019, 06:11:41 AM
Yewtree you must have some chip on that shoulder you're embarrassing yourself
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 16, 2019, 11:45:08 AM
Really looking forward to the game tonight. Think if kilcoo keep Donal ohare quiet they could edge it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 16, 2019, 01:52:04 PM
66 years since Warrenpoint win a senior title, 66 more before they win it again, it's a pity Kilcoo or Burren will go out tonight, but regardless Warrenpoint won't prevail and as for the verbal diarrhoea Yewtree comes out with, well the smurf and himself are on a par when talking rubbish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 16, 2019, 03:39:46 PM
Unless Burren show much improvement tonight surely it's not too much of a shame if they go out? Warrenppunt have been good value so far, not saying they can beat Kilcoo but why put them down for aspiring to win.
Kilcoo by 3
Glenn by 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 16, 2019, 03:59:05 PM
Tommy have a read of the garbage Yewtree and smurf come out with and you will fully understand why some of us are in the ABFW camp
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pearse Blue on September 16, 2019, 04:04:11 PM
Quote from: PTC on September 16, 2019, 11:45:08 AM
Really looking forward to the game tonight. Think if kilcoo keep Donal ohare quiet they could edge it
They have more than Donal Ohare, Burren will have more fight IMO and sometimes fight is enough for championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 16, 2019, 04:27:49 PM
Donal ohare has been burrens top scorer and main danger so far in the championship, I'm sure kilcoo will bring plenty of fight into the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 16, 2019, 05:43:48 PM
Cant see burren doing it tonight, unless they have improved big time, kilcoo by @least 7 points 😉 #eastdownabu
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 16, 2019, 09:36:48 PM
Draw!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 16, 2019, 09:59:49 PM
Yewtree and Smurf, I've news for yous clowns, you will not beat Kilcoo or Burren, ref did magpies out of this one but maybe not in replay
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on September 16, 2019, 10:08:09 PM
Cuan can you explain how in gods name the ref done kilcoo tonight?? McArdle was pulling the trigger and a leg went in for the penalty, I could see it from the terrace.

Barry black carded McAvoy (which was correct) but gave Rooney a yellow for the same tackle I. The first half.

Not to mention a litany of Frees for Laverty some of which were questionable and Aidan Brannigan had numerous fouls ignored.

Barry is a poor ref and certainly not strong enough for a game of that calibre but the last couple of frees where frees and Kilcoo should have kicked on but ultimately allowed Burren unto them and Ronan McGrath punished them with the last kick. Also Bear in mind Donals poor imiss prior to Burren last 3 points.

Draw fair result and both teams will have to improve
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 16, 2019, 10:18:44 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on September 16, 2019, 10:08:09 PM
Cuan can you explain how in gods name the ref done kilcoo tonight?? McArdle was pulling the trigger and a leg went in for the penalty, I could see it from the terrace.

Barry black carded McAvoy (which was correct) but gave Rooney a yellow for the same tackle I. The first half.

Not to mention a litany of Frees for Laverty some of which were questionable and Aidan Brannigan had numerous fouls ignored.

Barry is a poor ref and certainly not strong enough for a game of that calibre but the last couple of frees where frees and Kilcoo should have kicked on but ultimately allowed Burren unto them and Ronan McGrath punished them with the last kick. Also Bear in mind Donals poor imiss prior to Burren last 3 points.

Draw fair result and both teams will have to improve
Have to agree ref definitely favoured kilcoo tonight worth 2 or 3 points to them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on September 16, 2019, 10:30:32 PM
Quote from: elk on September 16, 2019, 10:18:44 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on September 16, 2019, 10:08:09 PM
Cuan can you explain how in gods name the ref done kilcoo tonight?? McArdle was pulling the trigger and a leg went in for the penalty, I could see it from the terrace.

Barry black carded McAvoy (which was correct) but gave Rooney a yellow for the same tackle I. The first half.

Not to mention a litany of Frees for Laverty some of which were questionable and Aidan Brannigan had numerous fouls ignored.

Barry is a poor ref and certainly not strong enough for a game of that calibre but the last couple of frees where frees and Kilcoo should have kicked on but ultimately allowed Burren unto them and Ronan McGrath punished them with the last kick. Also Bear in mind Donals poor imiss prior to Burren last 3 points.

Draw fair result and both teams will have to improve
Have to agree ref definitely favoured kilcoo tonight worth 2 or 3 points to them

+1 - as a neutral it was a pretty awful game of football to watch.
Hard to believe that when the two best teams in the county meet, that Laverty is still the most influential player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 16, 2019, 10:33:09 PM
Kilcoo were the better team throughout, but gvae away some slack scores and cheap possession to keep Burren in the game. Having said that, Burren should have had a 2nd penalty and scored two great points late in injury time. Neither team is the strength of a few years ago, so spending big money on management teams to win Ulster is money down the drain. Fancy Kilcoo in the replay, but Warrenpoint could challenge them both
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 16, 2019, 11:03:01 PM
Quote from: befair on September 16, 2019, 10:33:09 PM
Kilcoo were the better team throughout, but gvae away some slack scores and cheap possession to keep Burren in the game. Having said that, Burren should have had a 2nd penalty and scored two great points late in injury time. Neither team is the strength of a few years ago, so spending big money on management teams to win Ulster is money down the drain. Fancy Kilcoo in the replay, but Warrenpoint could challenge them both

Cant argue with any of that...Kilcoo not what what they where and Burren even worse...Kilcoo the next day without a doubt, Burren are very average but then so is Down football in general.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on September 17, 2019, 07:44:26 AM


Don't be getting too carried away ,in the championship you only beat 2 poor East Down teams. The yellas shifted 2 dodgy goals and it put a flattering score line on it ,15 scores to 9 really tells the tale. Carryduff will be relegated next year even with their league of nations, very few actually from Carryduff that came through primary school together etc. and then their U21s made up of Antrim lads, Saul ,Darragh Cross etc.


All bar 2 of Carryduff's senior panel are born,  raised and played underage age for the Duff. You seem to be the Donald Trump of this forum with your alternative facts. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 17, 2019, 10:23:49 AM
Burren really got out of jail last night...as a neutral it was intriguing but a very poor watch in terms of quality!! Both teams really didn't do themselves justice and based on that showing I don't think Harps or Yellas or CPN will be fearful of anyone. Referee as usual let the occasion get true better of him, He had a shocker in the Kilcoo-CPN semi final last year and similar head scratching calls last night. He gave Burren a soft penalty then didn't give them a stone wall one later in the second half🤔 can't see Burren playing any worse in the replay, Kerr and Toner very quiet last night and Can't see them as shackled the nex day. Burren by 4 in the replay!! Think the winner of this tie v Ballyholland would make for a good semi final...Burren v Point final hopefully!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 17, 2019, 12:05:53 PM
Not sure what game everyone else was at but the GaelicLife said it lived up to the anticipation!!

Neither game was great from a quality point but interesting all the same. You have to beat what's in front of you on the day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 17, 2019, 12:24:31 PM
Very poor quality last night from both teams
An awful amount of easy balls given away and sly digs after tackles
The standard off football in Down is at an all time low. And even for 10 years it has been very poor with a barrage teams winning championships. It has been a while since we seen a real exciting team win it. Mickey Moran has not improved this Kilcoo team at all. Back to the drawing board. Yes they may win Down but no hope in ulster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 17, 2019, 01:09:09 PM
Smurfy it's not burren nor kilcoo fault outside them the standard is so bad in down,its upto every other team to get to burren and kilcoos level,magpies never got out of 2nd gear ,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 17, 2019, 01:12:16 PM
No Kilcoo and Burren are very average teams. Not near the Kilcoo team of 5 years ago. And Burren no where near the team of 2011. The standard including Kilcoo and Burren is crap
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 17, 2019, 02:15:43 PM
Says alot for the rest of the teams in dsfc 🤮🙈
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 17, 2019, 02:36:06 PM
The last three times kilcoo were beat in Ulster it was by the team that went on to win and kilcoo put up a good fight in those three encounters, last year burren were beat by scotstown who went on to the final and were narrowly beat. Kilcoo and burren know each other inside out it was never going to be a classic open game of football. Kilcoo by 3 in the replay
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 17, 2019, 04:10:44 PM
Quote from: PTC on September 17, 2019, 02:36:06 PM
The last three times kilcoo were beat in Ulster it was by the team that went on to win and kilcoo put up a good fight in those three encounters, last year burren were beat by scotstown who went on to the final and were narrowly beat. Kilcoo and burren know each other inside out it was never going to be a classic open game of football. Kilcoo by 3 in the replay
Exactly neither were good enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 17, 2019, 04:32:10 PM
Quote from: elk on September 17, 2019, 04:10:44 PM
Quote from: PTC on September 17, 2019, 02:36:06 PM
The last three times kilcoo were beat in Ulster it was by the team that went on to win and kilcoo put up a good fight in those three encounters, last year burren were beat by scotstown who went on to the final and were narrowly beat. Kilcoo and burren know each other inside out it was never going to be a classic open game of football. Kilcoo by 3 in the replay
Exactly neither were good enough
The best of a bad bunch then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on September 17, 2019, 04:47:57 PM
Game started well, but went downhill from there, not helped by a poor ref who started to book men for every tackle. Burren will be happy to be still in the championship, kilcoo will think they let it slip.All to play for Saturday night, 50/50 game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on September 17, 2019, 09:02:40 PM
Go through that Carryduff team and name all these Antrim lads etc you're talking about? Every single player bar two have played for the duff right the way through underage. The arrogance of you trying to suggest otherwise when you haven't a notion what you're talking about is absolutely unbelievable.

Burren nicked a draw last night kilcoo won't let it slip twice
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 18, 2019, 01:02:51 AM
Have to agree with the Carryduff contributor, Yew f king tree is one arrogant p***k , who not only probably has never kicked a ball but doesn't know if the ball is blown up or stuffed, won't matter the point won't win the SFC, could they be on the slide given their league form and I bet there are some Carryduff people that can't wait to shove this pompous dick heads words down his throat next year when these two teams meet .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 18, 2019, 06:17:04 AM
East Down clubs need to get there own house in order. The football is so poor and underage teams are terrible. Poor structures and coaching. Carryduff has no call to joinnwith Saul and Teconnacht in last years under 21. But here let them at it. No wonder they can't get past the quarter finals
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 18, 2019, 08:34:02 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 18, 2019, 06:17:04 AM
East Down clubs need to get there own house in order. The football is so poor and underage teams are terrible. Poor structures and coaching. Carryduff has no call to joinnwith Saul and Teconnacht in last years under 21. But here let them at it. No wonder they can't get past the quarter finals

You mean Down clubs in general - dam all difference in standard of football north/south/east/west.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 18, 2019, 08:54:28 AM
But there is. East Down clubs at juvenile level are a mile behind with the exception of Kilcoo and some teams Carryduff. It's always the same teams in all county finals etc. CPN BURREN MAYOBRIDGE CLONDUFF BALLYHOLLAND KILCOO
It's about time they got structures in place
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 18, 2019, 08:56:03 AM
Smurfy, I have checked the Down website and I noticed that not 1 underage Point team are in the top divisions ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on September 18, 2019, 09:09:33 AM
Down Jim, yewtree, Smurfy 123=== the same person
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on September 18, 2019, 09:31:24 AM
Bit harsh on East Down.

Bredagh and Carryduff consistently produce good underage teams.

Kilcoo tend to produce a good team every 5-6 years or so which is about right given the population. Majority of other East Down clubs have small populations too, but the like of Loughinisland, Laoitrim etc you would expect to produce a reasonable underage team a bit more often.

Teams that really should do better are Downpatrick, B'ford and Castlewellan. But outside of Bredagh and Carryduff there seems to be a problem getting lads in towns interested in playing.

Not just in East Down - Newry is suffering same.

And previous comment about CPN is correct - outside of u20s there is nothing to shout about at the moment. Can't remember last time CPN were in an underage final outside of u21s - u14 South Down final about 4/5 years ago maybe?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on September 18, 2019, 09:32:49 AM
Carryduff in the minor semi final and Bredagh are in the u16 final. Give it a rest once and for all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on September 18, 2019, 11:05:40 AM
Have to agree that 'most' of East Down is currently below power, they do have their season in lights but not consistently (bar Kilcoo of late) and South Down clubs are still more consistently the strong hold however by no means Top class sides. The best point i have seen on this thread is that no matter if your club is East or South, the Biggest problem in Down Football is Newry by a long shot
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 18, 2019, 01:01:57 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 18, 2019, 01:02:51 AM
Have to agree with the Carryduff contributor, Yew f king tree is one arrogant p***k , who not only probably has never kicked a ball but doesn't know if the ball is blown up or stuffed, won't matter the point won't win the SFC, could they be on the slide given their league form and I bet there are some Carryduff people that can't wait to shove this pompous dick heads words down his throat next year when these two teams meet .

You do realise this person is from Burren yes? Cuan you seem to have a serious chip on your shoulder...it's good to talk you know :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 18, 2019, 01:20:21 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 18, 2019, 01:01:57 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 18, 2019, 01:02:51 AM
Have to agree with the Carryduff contributor, Yew f king tree is one arrogant p***k , who not only probably has never kicked a ball but doesn't know if the ball is blown up or stuffed, won't matter the point won't win the SFC, could they be on the slide given their league form and I bet there are some Carryduff people that can't wait to shove this pompous dick heads words down his throat next year when these two teams meet .

You do realise this person is from Burren yes? Cuan you seem to have a serious chip on your shoulder...it's good to talk you know :)
Cuan are you from loughinisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on September 18, 2019, 03:12:30 PM
Cuan would mean roots in Kilclief surely?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 18, 2019, 08:24:24 PM
Gentlemen ( from South down and I use this term reluctantly) from where I sit the whole county would want any body but the point to win the SFC,, a clean sweep from east down would suit fine , Darragh, Bright and Kilcoo would be good but who knows maybe the Finn will sneak in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on September 18, 2019, 08:27:14 PM
What about the women on the board?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 18, 2019, 08:33:55 PM
The women on the board talk sense , they love the game and don't come out with the bias ,chip on the shoulder bullshit that pours out of the point camp ,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on September 18, 2019, 09:27:19 PM
Was looking at the programme from burren v kilcoo game, how many players kilcoo missing? Darragh O Hanlon and Ryan Johnson both injured, What about C.Doherty, Aaron Morgan, JJ Mclaughlin, Paul Greenan, McGreevey? All injured?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on September 18, 2019, 09:54:26 PM
A quarter of a century ago today, we won our fifth All Ireland senior title. I wonder what odds you would have got leaving Croke Park on that damp Sunday evening that we wouldn't win another Ulster, never mind another All Ireland over the next 25 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 18, 2019, 10:31:52 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on September 18, 2019, 09:54:26 PM
A quarter of a century ago today, we won our fifth All Ireland senior title. I wonder what odds you would have got leaving Croke Park on that damp Sunday evening that we wouldn't win another Ulster, never mind another All Ireland over the next 25 years.
Yep the county failed miserably to build on the success of 2 all ireland titles. It's as if they just thought it would happen. Those 25 years went by quickly. And we are no closer now to competing to win a provincial never mind an all Ireland. We will prob be in a new B/intermediate championship next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 19, 2019, 11:08:15 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on September 18, 2019, 09:27:19 PM
Was looking at the programme from burren v kilcoo game, how many players kilcoo missing? Darragh O Hanlon and Ryan Johnson both injured, What about C.Doherty, Aaron Morgan, JJ Mclaughlin, Paul Greenan, McGreevey? All injured?
from what I've heard all long term injuries, big enough hole in any panel let alone from small village, and still competing for championship, think with all that said they still have enough to take burren on sat night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 19, 2019, 02:52:45 PM
Maybe it's a play on the word ciúin (quiet)...which would be quite ironic...that being said I don't think you have much to worry about Cuan, point won't win it (Think they've a very strong 15 but not much to bring on). Burren will walk it...Ballholland only team that can challenge them from what I've seen and that's out of sheer tenacity...Kilcoo have missed their chance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 19, 2019, 03:32:43 PM
Don't know upandwin, you could be right about Ballyholland, they are dogged , committed and coming into a bit of form at the right time, Kilcoo may have too much for Burren, and if that's the case then it's theirs to win with Ballyholland possibly facing them in the final. The wannabe s from that supposed sporting hub have no chance , if they aren't careful they could be dragged into a relegation play off and wouldn't that be terrible - not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 19, 2019, 03:44:34 PM
ballyholland had a great win on Sunday night,, a pitch like burren would of suited them and they could be opened up a bit more in Newry for the semi final, still think kilcoo will beat burren even with all the injuries
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 19, 2019, 07:13:08 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 19, 2019, 02:52:45 PM
Maybe it's a play on the word ciúin (quiet)...which would be quite ironic...that being said I don't think you have much to worry about Cuan, point won't win it (Think they've a very strong 15 but not much to bring on). Burren will walk it...Ballholland only team that can challenge them from what I've seen and that's out of sheer tenacity...Kilcoo have missed their chance

Big statement!! me thinking it might be the other way round!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 19, 2019, 07:34:42 PM
Anyone who seen that first game would agree with you thebar.
Would love a free flowing game without the niggles and complaints about the man in the middle. That way we might actually seen some football, Kilcoo threatened in small patches to do that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on September 19, 2019, 08:15:59 PM
Are there any plans to 'stream' the replay, I can't make it to Newry on Saturday evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 20, 2019, 09:13:04 AM
Quote from: thebar on September 19, 2019, 07:13:08 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 19, 2019, 02:52:45 PM
Maybe it's a play on the word ciúin (quiet)...which would be quite ironic...that being said I don't think you have much to worry about Cuan, point won't win it (Think they've a very strong 15 but not much to bring on). Burren will walk it...Ballholland only team that can challenge them from what I've seen and that's out of sheer tenacity...Kilcoo have missed their chance

Big statement!! me thinking it might be the other way round!
Quote from: thebar on September 19, 2019, 07:13:08 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 19, 2019, 02:52:45 PM
Maybe it's a play on the word ciúin (quiet)...which would be quite ironic...that being said I don't think you have much to worry about Cuan, point won't win it (Think they've a very strong 15 but not much to bring on). Burren will walk it...Ballholland only team that can challenge them from what I've seen and that's out of sheer tenacity...Kilcoo have missed their chance

Big statement!! me thinking it might be the other way round!
with adrian sharvin getting the replay with rice and faloon on the lines yous sure as hell can guarantee  it will be  a "look at me show"! Sharvin a soccer ref type,rice hates burren,and I dont even think Faloon likes himself  to be honest
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 20, 2019, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on September 20, 2019, 09:13:04 AM
Quote from: thebar on September 19, 2019, 07:13:08 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 19, 2019, 02:52:45 PM
Maybe it's a play on the word ciúin (quiet)...which would be quite ironic...that being said I don't think you have much to worry about Cuan, point won't win it (Think they've a very strong 15 but not much to bring on). Burren will walk it...Ballholland only team that can challenge them from what I've seen and that's out of sheer tenacity...Kilcoo have missed their chance

Big statement!! me thinking it might be the other way round!
Quote from: thebar on September 19, 2019, 07:13:08 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 19, 2019, 02:52:45 PM
Maybe it's a play on the word ciúin (quiet)...which would be quite ironic...that being said I don't think you have much to worry about Cuan, point won't win it (Think they've a very strong 15 but not much to bring on). Burren will walk it...Ballholland only team that can challenge them from what I've seen and that's out of sheer tenacity...Kilcoo have missed their chance

Big statement!! me thinking it might be the other way round!
with adrian sharvin getting the replay with rice and faloon on the lines yous sure as hell can guarantee  it will be  a "look at me show"! Sharvin a soccer ref type,rice hates burren,and I dont even think Faloon likes himself  to be honest

What club does Faloon represent these days? ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 20, 2019, 12:36:05 PM
There's not many of the  refs left at this stage to choose from champion. Only Brannigan surely that's considered on that level? But he's prob earmarked for the final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 20, 2019, 12:45:31 PM
When u really think of it ,f××k  the selection and standard of referees in down are terrible, gavin Corrigan and gabriel tumielty prob the best of recent times , faloon would cause a riot at best of times,jumped up p***k
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 20, 2019, 12:50:59 PM
Are you Joe Brolly in disguise ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 20, 2019, 12:55:59 PM
Terrific Tommy 😂, you can forget about paul faloon as far as he is a man! On a serious note though  brolly wouldn't have half the medals I have 💪👌
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on September 20, 2019, 01:20:57 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on September 20, 2019, 12:45:31 PM
When u really think of it ,f××k  the selection and standard of referees in down are terrible, gavin Corrigan and gabriel tumielty prob the best of recent times , faloon would cause a riot at best of times,jumped up p***k

Jumped up or just has enough integrity not to be intimidated or sweetened to turn a blind eye. he's clearly highly thought off with the powers that be in intercounty refereeing.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 20, 2019, 01:29:22 PM
Forevergreen if travelling around the country to be a lines man, is  that what you call an inter county referee ? He hasn't done to many big games outside of the county has he?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on September 20, 2019, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on September 20, 2019, 01:29:22 PM
Forevergreen if travelling around the country to be a lines man, is  that what you call an inter county referee ? He hasn't done to many big games outside of the county has he?

A few more than Gabriel Tumilty or Gavin Corrigan....

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 20, 2019, 02:06:47 PM
Do you need some salt for that chip Champion. Very poor form.
On a lighter note - Maybe we should consider games where there are no referee.

Are semi finals next weekend or two weeks away?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 20, 2019, 02:13:24 PM
I never said gavin or gabriel were intercounty  referees, but that said gavin did an all ireland final before,😁
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 20, 2019, 02:40:12 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on September 20, 2019, 09:13:04 AM
Quote from: thebar on September 19, 2019, 07:13:08 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 19, 2019, 02:52:45 PM
Maybe it's a play on the word ciúin (quiet)...which would be quite ironic...that being said I don't think you have much to worry about Cuan, point won't win it (Think they've a very strong 15 but not much to bring on). Burren will walk it...Ballholland only team that can challenge them from what I've seen and that's out of sheer tenacity...Kilcoo have missed their chance

Big statement!! me thinking it might be the other way round!
Quote from: thebar on September 19, 2019, 07:13:08 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 19, 2019, 02:52:45 PM
Maybe it's a play on the word ciúin (quiet)...which would be quite ironic...that being said I don't think you have much to worry about Cuan, point won't win it (Think they've a very strong 15 but not much to bring on). Burren will walk it...Ballholland only team that can challenge them from what I've seen and that's out of sheer tenacity...Kilcoo have missed their chance

Big statement!! me thinking it might be the other way round!
with adrian sharvin getting the replay with rice and faloon on the lines yous sure as hell can guarantee  it will be  a "look at me show"! Sharvin a soccer ref type,rice hates burren,and I dont even think Faloon likes himself  to be honest

I lol at that last line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 20, 2019, 03:33:07 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on September 20, 2019, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on September 20, 2019, 01:29:22 PM
Forevergreen if travelling around the country to be a lines man, is  that what you call an inter county referee ? He hasn't done to many big games outside of the county has he?

A few more than Gabriel Tumilty or Gavin Corrigan....

Don't know the man, but always found him an excellent ref; but the GAA will never change, no matter how many mistakes/wides/howlers our own team makes, blame the ref
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: hectorsheroes on September 21, 2019, 02:20:48 AM
A stunning assassination of anyone trying to control a match through their interest in GAA. Do you honestly believe they set out after a days work and possible family, job concerns they get their jollies having a go or a cut at a team? Is this a serious argument? Have you ever refereed a match? Seriously - cop on - or alternatively as seems popular lets keep kicking the shite out of people who bother their arse to take these hits - sure they're all wankers when we don't win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 21, 2019, 07:52:49 AM
On the subject of refs, I believe none of them deliberately get out of bed and decide that today's the day I'm going to get at a team by giving dodgy decisions but to anyone that goes and supports their team it may seem that way, their are a few refs who try their best but are simply not good enough to control certain games, and this is gets me wondering if the assessment procedure is not a total farce, certain refs have got big games and they have been shocking, refs all do the job differently, on duty today we have Aidy Sharvin - competent , gets the job done with little fuss, Paul Faloon- I like his style, no nonsense old style ref who lets the teams get at it, doesn't please everyone as he believes it's a physical game, and lastly Brendan Rice, who is better suited to the ladies game as he can prance about like a prima Donna and doesn't have to carry a watch as the issue of how long a match lasts is taken out of his hands but apart from not being able to tell the time and thinking he has to upstage the two teams he knows the rules and apply them well, so it's the magpies for me and I predict a red card and a few black as well with the linesmen having a real impact on the match outcome.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 21, 2019, 08:49:41 AM
Hopefully the officials aren't the talking point when the game finishes, it's a thankless job! Really looking forward to the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 21, 2019, 09:20:30 AM
Just watching the rugby world cup at the moment; the respect shown to the ref is amazing. No backchat is permissible, and is severely punished. We need a culture change!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 21, 2019, 05:33:01 PM
Thing is - with the amount of shite a referee gets - why are folks surprised that there isn't a large pool of great referees to pick from?

I dunno what the answer is - but we need to be careful we don't end up with clubs having to referee halves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 21, 2019, 07:40:44 PM
Good coverage on Down TV with Patsy Russell https://t.co/ICn7vNl7pf?amp=1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on September 21, 2019, 07:48:54 PM
Very good coverage from Patsy and co this evening.

Been a fairly open game so far. Good luck to our men in the 2nd half, big effort required. #UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 21, 2019, 08:52:19 PM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on September 21, 2019, 07:48:54 PM
Very good coverage from Patsy and co this evening.

Been a fairly open game so far. Good luck to our men in the 2nd half, big effort required. #UTM

Who were those two imbeciles trying to commentate on the game tonight. They were more interested in thanking their cousins or whoever rather than concentrating on the job they were asked to do, that was wild hard to listen to.  Then the thing crashes at the penalty and when it comes back, Kilcoo have scored two goals. What was that all about? The stream was decent but why not sync with the game rather than being so far behind.

Same old Burren - grow a set of balls when the going gets tight. Like the drawn game, your big players went missing when they should have stood up. Serious investment, again, for little return. Big names often come with big reputations and big expenses but not always big results.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiffler on September 21, 2019, 08:54:54 PM
Was a serious number of balls kicked onto the field the last 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 21, 2019, 09:54:44 PM
Great game. Burren really blew it; 4 pts up, in dying minutes, in possession, yet contrived to allow Kilcoo to steal it. I've been critical of Lavery on this forum for other reasons, but he was superb in setting up the penalty and scoring the winner; when the pressure is on you need your top men to show up.
Not sure where this tactic of kicking balls onto the field to hold up play came from, but it's very unsporting, as is lying down at the faintest touch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 21, 2019, 09:56:19 PM
Didn't hear it Lotto, heard them say hello to their grandsons listening and that's all. They done a fairly reasonable job I thought, probably volunteers so if you were expecting the Sunday game panel you'd be left wanting. Why people are so mischievous about those contributing to the game for very little reward.

Thought this game was the opposite of last week. Burren better team but couldn't see it out. Dominated midfield this time as well. Better game, less off the ball and man in yellow done a good job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 21, 2019, 10:02:05 PM
Thought the ref did well let the game go as best he good, kilcoo supporters beside me saying that stevie McDonald kicked balls on to pitch in last years final so they were getting there own back. Laverty stood up again when it mattered most
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on September 21, 2019, 10:12:56 PM
Quote from: PTC on September 21, 2019, 10:02:05 PM
Thought the ref did well let the game go as best he good, kilcoo supporters beside me saying that stevie McDonald kicked balls on to pitch in last years final so they were getting there own back. Laverty stood up again when it mattered most
I agree ref did well.
I did see that from stevie last year myself.
Well done on the live stream. A Few relatives watched it online. They seemed pleased with it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 21, 2019, 10:20:40 PM
Decent game tonight that Burren looked like winning with relative comfort until the penalty, then Kilcoo kicked on and finished the stronger, like previous posters said Laverty's influence in the last 10 minutes was the difference, anyone know what the row at the corner of the stand was about, gonna need segregation in the future!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 21, 2019, 10:26:53 PM
Quote from: Targetman on September 21, 2019, 10:20:40 PM
Decent game tonight that Burren looked like winning with relative comfort until the penalty, then Kilcoo kicked on and finished the stronger, like previous posters said Laverty's influence in the last 10 minutes was the difference, anyone know what the row at the corner of the stand was about, gonna need segregation in the future!!
kids fighting behind the stand or so i believe
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 21, 2019, 10:34:22 PM
Well one things for sure Yewtree , Newry won't be buzzing as Burren are out and your lot will be joining them next round- the joys the joys
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 21, 2019, 10:42:38 PM
Quote from: Lotto on September 21, 2019, 08:52:19 PM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on September 21, 2019, 07:48:54 PM
Very good coverage from Patsy and co this evening.

Been a fairly open game so far. Good luck to our men in the 2nd half, big effort required. #UTM

Who were those two imbeciles trying to commentate on the game tonight. They were more interested in thanking their cousins or whoever rather than concentrating on the job they were asked to do, that was wild hard to listen to.  Then the thing crashes at the penalty and when it comes back, Kilcoo have scored two goals. What was that all about? The stream was decent but why not sync with the game rather than being so far behind.

Same old Burren - grow a set of balls when the going gets tight. Like the drawn game, your big players went missing when they should have stood up. Serious investment, again, for little return. Big names often come with big reputations and big expenses but not always big results.

Didn't crash for me so I'd say it's more to do with your internet connection and the amount of devices connected to it. Stream was great and they are volunteers for this and it was free so stop complaining.

Laverty the difference tonight for Kilcoo, East Down clean sweep is on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on September 21, 2019, 11:05:05 PM
Brannigan referee kilcoo again? Surely your joking. Did he not ref them in a semi final bs the bridge a few years back and only awarded them 1 free in the second half which was a 45. Also I thought he was cousins with the chocs?

Refereeing in the county has gone down a notch this year compared to last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on September 21, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: stiffler on September 21, 2019, 08:54:54 PM
Was a serious number of balls kicked onto the field the last 5 minutes.

Burren's blatant timewasting from start of second half came back to haunt them so they can have no complaints regarding Kilcoo's antics.

Fine margins decide these games-Mc kernan's clumsy tackle leading to the penalty(which was excellently taken by PD)and the failure to re-act to the rebound off the post leading to the goal ultimately made the difference.Kilcoo should be concerned with the number of wides they had in the first half especially otherwise megabucks micky should be confident of reclaiming Frank.
Also the commotion behind the stand apparently involved a row between teenagers..but the man formerly known to wear a hat  soon got it sorted....it's a pity he could'nt sort the tannoy issues 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 21, 2019, 11:18:26 PM
Quote from: MK on September 21, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: stiffler on September 21, 2019, 08:54:54 PM
Was a serious number of balls kicked onto the field the last 5 minutes.

Burren's blatant timewasting from start of second half came back to haunt them so they can have no complaints regarding Kilcoo's antics.

Fine margins decide these games-Mc kernan's clumsy tackle leading to the penalty(which was excellently taken by PD)and the failure to re-act to the rebound off the post leading to the goal ultimately made the difference.Kilcoo should be concerned with the number of wides they had in the first half especially otherwise megabucks micky should be confident of reclaiming Frank.
Also the commotion behind the stand apparently involved a row between teenagers..but the man formerly known to wear a hat  soon got it sorted....it's a pity he could'nt sort the tannoy issues

Yes, should have given credit to Paul Devlin; having missed a few frees earlier, he put one over fromm 50 yds to get the deficit back to 3 pts, then nervelessly slammed home the penalty. Like Laverty, big players for big occasions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 22, 2019, 12:02:13 AM
Quote from: Lotto on September 21, 2019, 08:52:19 PM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on September 21, 2019, 07:48:54 PM
Very good coverage from Patsy and co this evening.

Been a fairly open game so far. Good luck to our men in the 2nd half, big effort required. #UTM

Who were those two imbeciles trying to commentate on the game tonight. They were more interested in thanking their cousins or whoever rather than concentrating on the job they were asked to do, that was wild hard to listen to.  Then the thing crashes at the penalty and when it comes back, Kilcoo have scored two goals. What was that all about? The stream was decent but why not sync with the game rather than being so far behind.

Same old Burren - grow a set of balls when the going gets tight. Like the drawn game, your big players went missing when they should have stood up. Serious investment, again, for little return. Big names often come with big reputations and big expenses but not always big results.

Imbeciles? Are you serious? Catch a grip of yourself what an utterly disgraceful comment, and fix your broadband while you're at it as there was f**k all wrong with the stream. Start to finish with no interruptions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 22, 2019, 02:55:01 AM
Yewtree 🙈,aidy  sharvin, I was wrong  tonight, u did good ,I've no great love for kilcoo, but by God the cream always 2 the  top !!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on September 22, 2019, 03:21:57 AM
Watched the stream over in London we're over the big game v Chelsea .. and went for meal so on late.Can't believe Kilcoo stole it but anyway we're still there and nothing to fear .Yellas v Point what a final ?We just need to stop  Seamy Loughran and big pitch doesn't suit Harps. Yellas have the mental angle on Kilcoo .Hope no one needs to resort to law to sort things out in this one, amazing Kilcoo !Predict Yellas and Point.
Funny on a different note earlier today I saw 2 little kids arguing and I thought A bit like school and the tell tale tit or squealer. I suppose things change over the years.
Set up for a big one Yellas v Point pencil it in your diaries.
East Down go play for the Junior 3rds title
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 22, 2019, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: yewtree on September 22, 2019, 03:21:57 AM
Watched the stream over in London we're over the big game v Chelsea .. and went for meal so on late.Can't believe Kilcoo stole it but anyway we're still there and nothing to fear .Yellas v Point what a final ?We just need to stop  Seamy Loughran and big pitch doesn't suit Harps. Yellas have the mental angle on Kilcoo .Hope no one needs to resort to law to sort things out in this one, amazing Kilcoo !Predict Yellas and Point.
Funny on a different note earlier today I saw 2 little kids arguing and I thought A bit like school and the tell tale tit or squealer. I suppose things change over the years.
Set up for a big one Yellas v Point pencil it in your diaries.
East Down go play for the Junior 3rds title

Disrespect to clubs at junior level is disgusting.. Hopefully you get a box at the Clonduff Kilcoo Royal Rumble next week, knock some sense into you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 22, 2019, 09:52:45 AM
Yew tree I think your going to eat a large slice of humble pie when all your pathetic comments regarding east down clubs comes back to haunt you, Warrenpoint have an average team and may get past Ballyholland but that's it, Kilcoo for me,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on September 22, 2019, 10:15:27 AM
Quote from: yewtree on September 22, 2019, 03:21:57 AM
Watched the stream over in London we're over the big game v Chelsea .. and went for meal so on late.Can't believe Kilcoo stole it but anyway we're still there and nothing to fear .Yellas v Point what a final ?We just need to stop  Seamy Loughran and big pitch doesn't suit Harps. Yellas have the mental angle on Kilcoo .Hope no one needs to resort to law to sort things out in this one, amazing Kilcoo !Predict Yellas and Point.
Funny on a different note earlier today I saw 2 little kids arguing and I thought A bit like school and the tell tale tit or squealer. I suppose things change over the years.
Set up for a big one Yellas v Point pencil it in your diaries.
East Down go play for the Junior 3rds title
Stay over there and enjoy your beloved soccer. You'll be welcomed with open arms.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 22, 2019, 10:33:46 AM
Quote from: Last Caress on September 22, 2019, 10:15:27 AM
Quote from: yewtree on September 22, 2019, 03:21:57 AM
Watched the stream over in London we're over the big game v Chelsea .. and went for meal so on late.Can't believe Kilcoo stole it but anyway we're still there and nothing to fear .Yellas v Point what a final ?We just need to stop  Seamy Loughran and big pitch doesn't suit Harps. Yellas have the mental angle on Kilcoo .Hope no one needs to resort to law to sort things out in this one, amazing Kilcoo !Predict Yellas and Point.
Funny on a different note earlier today I saw 2 little kids arguing and I thought A bit like school and the tell tale tit or squealer. I suppose things change over the years.
Set up for a big one Yellas v Point pencil it in your diaries.
East Down go play for the Junior 3rds title
Stay over there and enjoy your beloved soccer. You'll be welcomed with open arms.
Yew tree the ultimate bandwagonner.   Embarrasing statements on junior and intermediate clubs. I'd say he is 12.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on September 22, 2019, 10:46:37 AM
Someone please tell that clown cuan 12. That that even bigger clown yew tree is a burren man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 22, 2019, 10:56:01 AM
Quote from: sdg on September 22, 2019, 10:46:37 AM
Someone please tell that clown cuan 12. That that even bigger clown yew tree is a burren man.
i would say he was out drowning his sorrows last night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on September 22, 2019, 11:10:51 AM
Next Saturday, Glenn have u16 girls championship semi final at 12.30pm, u14 boys final at 1.30pm and intermediate semi final at 3.30pm.
1. Is there any thought put into scheduling these matches?
Goodness knows, we don't make many finals, all of a sudden three in the one afternoon!
2. Why is senior football, especially an intermediate semi final, scheduled for a time when a lot of people are working. When did championship football on a Saturday afternoon start?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 22, 2019, 12:07:28 PM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on September 22, 2019, 11:10:51 AM
Next Saturday, Glenn have u16 girls championship semi final at 12.30pm, u14 boys final at 1.30pm and intermediate semi final at 3.30pm.
1. Is there any thought put into scheduling these matches?
Goodness knows, we don't make many finals, all of a sudden two in the one afternoon!
2. Why is senior football, especially an intermediate semi final, scheduled for a time when a lot of people are working. When did championship football on a Saturday afternoon start?

I don't think they sold enuff season passes.. so looking all the intermediate attendees to then go and pay into Newry..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 22, 2019, 02:25:03 PM
Burren supporters pretending to be point fans, nothing surprises me any more, I'm unashamedly an east down Gael who believes in east down coaches and players, clowns from south down who try to belittle our clubs and players deserve exactly what Burren got last night - a lesson, maybe yew tree has a foot in both camps , seems likely but an east down clean sweep is on the cards and we will have a center of excellance in Ballykinlar soon, you just couldn't make it up, Yewtree
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on September 22, 2019, 03:12:14 PM
As I was at the game last night, how did the online service work? I hope this is going to happen for semi finals and final, it allows all Down Gaels across the world to keep in touch with home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 22, 2019, 06:28:50 PM
Quote from: sdg on September 22, 2019, 03:12:14 PM
As I was at the game last night, how did the online service work? I hope this is going to happen for semi finals and final, it allows all Down Gaels across the world to keep in touch with home.

Worked well, they got it right this time do it free and make sure there was no teething problems so they can charge for the next couple of rounds. Mentioned there was over 2000 people watching so website should be able to cope with the traffic that comes through it in the future. Hope they continue this, didn't have to watch X Factor or Strictly with the other half so I was delighted
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 22, 2019, 07:02:17 PM
Quote from: sdg on September 22, 2019, 03:12:14 PM
As I was at the game last night, how did the online service work? I hope this is going to happen for semi finals and final, it allows all Down Gaels across the world to keep in touch with home.
Worked well; obs not Sky HD quality, but a great service for gaels who couldn't make the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on September 22, 2019, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: befair on September 22, 2019, 07:02:17 PM
Quote from: sdg on September 22, 2019, 03:12:14 PM
As I was at the game last night, how did the online service work? I hope this is going to happen for semi finals and final, it allows all Down Gaels across the world to keep in touch with home.
Worked well; obs not Sky HD quality, but a great service for gaels who couldn't make the game

Glad to hear they didn't charge this time, there were problems on Monday night and people were demanding refunds but none were forthcoming. They should really cover at least one game every weekend, more during the championship. If there was a small charge to watch all the games you couldn't complain, but I get the feeling they will try to milk it, as usual. Dublin GAA have their own Youtube channel they use this to broadcast live games, it's a pity we haven't got a close association with an IT company who could look into something similar.

Hope the Point go on and win it, they should have too much for Ballyholland, but this Ballyholland team won't lie down. Really looking forward to this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 23, 2019, 11:02:11 AM
Would expect the point to beat Ballyholland again but it will be tight. The other semi is the one most people will be interested in as they have not played each other this year. Will all players be available for selection?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 23, 2019, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on September 22, 2019, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: befair on September 22, 2019, 07:02:17 PM
Quote from: sdg on September 22, 2019, 03:12:14 PM
As I was at the game last night, how did the online service work? I hope this is going to happen for semi finals and final, it allows all Down Gaels across the world to keep in touch with home.
Worked well; obs not Sky HD quality, but a great service for gaels who couldn't make the game

Glad to hear they didn't charge this time, there were problems on Monday night and people were demanding refunds but none were forthcoming. They should really cover at least one game every weekend, more during the championship. If there was a small charge to watch all the games you couldn't complain, but I get the feeling they will try to milk it, as usual. Dublin GAA have their own Youtube channel they use this to broadcast live games, it's a pity we haven't got a close association with an IT company who could look into something similar.

Hope the Point go on and win it, they should have too much for Ballyholland, but this Ballyholland team won't lie down. Really looking forward to this one.

I got a refund automatically. Didnt request one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 23, 2019, 12:52:43 PM
Kilcoo v harp final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 23, 2019, 07:20:30 PM
Sean og sent an email round the clubs and due  to large number of young children being left unattended we will now be implementing a charge of £2 for U-16s. Honestly the county board are worse than Scrooge McDuck.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 23, 2019, 07:47:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 23, 2019, 07:20:30 PM
Sean og sent an email round the clubs and due  to large number of young children being left unattended we will now be implementing a charge of £2 for U-16s. Honestly the county board are worse than Scrooge McDuck.
that is unbelievable i know £2 doesn't break the bank but catch a grip. When you think they turn a corner with the free streaming of matches they do something like this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 23, 2019, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 23, 2019, 07:20:30 PM
Sean og sent an email round the clubs and due  to large number of young children being left unattended we will now be implementing a charge of £2 for U-16s. Honestly the county board are worse than Scrooge McDuck.

The man is an idiot... has he not seen the positive press we have been receiving around the country with the amount of kids out kicking ball on the pitch at HT during the big games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 23, 2019, 08:23:36 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on September 23, 2019, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 23, 2019, 07:20:30 PM
Sean og sent an email round the clubs and due  to large number of young children being left unattended we will now be implementing a charge of £2 for U-16s. Honestly the county board are worse than Scrooge McDuck.

The man is an idiot... has he not seen the positive press we have been receiving around the country with the amount of kids out kicking ball on the pitch at HT during the big games?

Imagine that, the county board being unhappy about looking after unattended kids for 2 hrs......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 23, 2019, 08:27:12 PM
Quote from: befair on September 23, 2019, 08:23:36 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on September 23, 2019, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 23, 2019, 07:20:30 PM
Sean og sent an email round the clubs and due  to large number of young children being left unattended we will now be implementing a charge of £2 for U-16s. Honestly the county board are worse than Scrooge McDuck.

The man is an idiot... has he not seen the positive press we have been receiving around the country with the amount of kids out kicking ball on the pitch at HT during the big games?

Imagine that, the county board being unhappy about looking after unattended kids for 2 hrs......

Bollocks. They are ushered of the field as half time ends and that's as far as it goes. No looking after involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 23, 2019, 08:29:49 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 23, 2019, 08:27:12 PM
Quote from: befair on September 23, 2019, 08:23:36 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on September 23, 2019, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 23, 2019, 07:20:30 PM
Sean og sent an email round the clubs and due  to large number of young children being left unattended we will now be implementing a charge of £2 for U-16s. Honestly the county board are worse than Scrooge McDuck.

The man is an idiot... has he not seen the positive press we have been receiving around the country with the amount of kids out kicking ball on the pitch at HT during the big games?

Imagine that, the county board being unhappy about looking after unattended kids for 2 hrs......

Bollocks. They are ushered of the field as half time ends and that's as far as it goes. No looking after involved.

Absolutely right... They should be more concerned about having to look after unruly adults in the stands.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 23, 2019, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 23, 2019, 07:20:30 PM
Sean og sent an email round the clubs and due  to large number of young children being left unattended we will now be implementing a charge of £2 for U-16s. Honestly the county board are worse than Scrooge McDuck.

That's poor form if true what honestly is the thinking behind that move - keep the kids away who we want to be representing club and county over the coming years? Can the county board not be held to account over this by the club reps?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on September 23, 2019, 08:39:41 PM
Hmmm....theres a good chance the county "board" agreed this lol. Ask your club delegate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 23, 2019, 09:11:15 PM
Heres an idea charge kids £2 that are there without an adult and any children accompanied by an adult gets in free. That way someone will actually be in charge for keeping an eye on their own children.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 23, 2019, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 23, 2019, 09:11:15 PM
Heres an idea charge kids £2 that are there without an adult and any children accompanied by an adult gets in free. That way someone will actually be in charge for keeping an eye on their own children.

I have a hard time believing that the children of Kilcoo,Clonduff, Ballyholland and CPN will be making their own way to Newry for the weekend..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 23, 2019, 10:04:46 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on September 23, 2019, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 23, 2019, 09:11:15 PM
Heres an idea charge kids £2 that are there without an adult and any children accompanied by an adult gets in free. That way someone will actually be in charge for keeping an eye on their own children.

I have a hard time believing that the children of Kilcoo,Clonduff, Ballyholland and CPN will be making their own way to Newry for the weekend..
They aren't the ones causing the problems its the ones hanging about Newry with nothing else to do on a saturday evening so they decide to go to a crowded game and muck about around the stands.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on September 23, 2019, 10:06:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 23, 2019, 07:20:30 PM
Sean og sent an email round the clubs and due  to large number of young children being left unattended we will now be implementing a charge of £2 for U-16s. Honestly the county board are worse than Scrooge McDuck.
They haven't a clue. Does that mean you pay for toddlers and babies. County board please clarify...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on September 23, 2019, 10:18:58 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on September 23, 2019, 10:06:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 23, 2019, 07:20:30 PM
Sean og sent an email round the clubs and due  to large number of young children being left unattended we will now be implementing a charge of £2 for U-16s. Honestly the county board are worse than Scrooge McDuck.
They haven't a clue. Does that mean you pay for toddlers and babies. County board please clarify...
Sorry I should have written NEED TO CLARIFY.  Could cause issues at the turnstiles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 23, 2019, 10:25:17 PM
I've read through the explanatory letter a few times today.

Still though I'm struggling to grapple the correlation between a nominal entry fee for u16s, children playing on the field at half time, and teenagers forming into an antisocial group.

Chaps if you want to charge a few quid for kids, just be honest about it. Don't dress it up within this nonsense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on September 23, 2019, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 23, 2019, 10:25:17 PM
I've read through the explanatory letter a few times today.

Still though I'm struggling to grapple the correlation between a nominal entry fee for u16s, children playing on the field at half time, and teenagers forming into an antisocial group.

Chaps if you want to charge a few quid for kids, just be honest about it. Don't dress it up within this nonsense.
can that letter be posted up? Haven't seen it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 23, 2019, 10:33:24 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 23, 2019, 10:04:46 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on September 23, 2019, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 23, 2019, 09:11:15 PM
Heres an idea charge kids £2 that are there without an adult and any children accompanied by an adult gets in free. That way someone will actually be in charge for keeping an eye on their own children.

I have a hard time believing that the children of Kilcoo,Clonduff, Ballyholland and CPN will be making their own way to Newry for the weekend..

While everyone else suffers financially??
They aren't the ones causing the problems its the ones hanging about Newry with nothing else to do on a saturday evening so they decide to go to a crowded game and muck about around the stands.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 23, 2019, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 23, 2019, 10:25:17 PM
I've read through the explanatory letter a few times today.

Still though I'm struggling to grapple the correlation between a nominal entry fee for u16s, children playing on the field at half time, and teenagers forming into an antisocial group.

Chaps if you want to charge a few quid for kids, just be honest about it. Don't dress it up within this nonsense.

Totally agree I don't understand this link either....the kids are going mad so we are going to charge them all £2 quid to enter to go mad....what tripe...tell ya what sure if we charge to bring kids to the game the adults will mind them lol couldn't make it up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on September 24, 2019, 12:16:26 AM
Not long back great what a weekend still unbeaten in League reds forever, I'm hoarse and another trip away soon ,it is tough work.
On the local front was shocked to hear Kilcoo won ,heard was last 15minutes.But Burren are Burren ,they'll be back at top soon enough in another minor final and the dream team coming through soon. They will then dominate for a very long time.
The Point now definitely peoples' favourites in what I predict will be a Yellas v Point final.Clonduff with the yanks back will be too much for Kilcoo plus they have the mental edge on Kilcoo and if it gets physical will put them on their arses.In a war of attrition who would you fancy a Mickey Moran team or a Harte type team.?Clonduff will be tutored by experts and traditionally have had many tough men through the years ,Clonduff will win this one.
Setting it up for a great day out and a buzz around the area.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 24, 2019, 08:51:01 AM
@yewtree magpies 1-3 point 5-1 yellas  7-1 not sure but I think its kilcoo who are the favourites you clown💪🙈
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 24, 2019, 10:37:48 AM
Quote from: Ambrose on September 22, 2019, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: befair on September 22, 2019, 07:02:17 PM
Quote from: sdg on September 22, 2019, 03:12:14 PM
As I was at the game last night, how did the online service work? I hope this is going to happen for semi finals and final, it allows all Down Gaels across the world to keep in touch with home.
Worked well; obs not Sky HD quality, but a great service for gaels who couldn't make the game

Glad to hear they didn't charge this time, there were problems on Monday night and people were demanding refunds but none were forthcoming. They should really cover at least one game every weekend, more during the championship. If there was a small charge to watch all the games you couldn't complain, but I get the feeling they will try to milk it, as usual. Dublin GAA have their own Youtube channel they use this to broadcast live games, it's a pity we haven't got a close association with an IT company who could look into something similar.

Hope the Point go on and win it, they should have too much for Ballyholland, but this Ballyholland team won't lie down. Really looking forward to this one.

That is simply untrue. Please check your facts before posting things like this. I got a full refund before the night was out, as did every single person who paid for the service that evening I am lead to believe.

Hopefully something the streaming service continues, a small charge is nothing if you are able to access it from anywhere in the world. Armagh have been doing it for a few years and works well. Teething problems but a lot of overreactions as normal, replay stream was decent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 24, 2019, 10:40:10 AM
Watched a lot of club championship football this year and it's been very hard to say anyone has impressed. The 'Big guns' (Burren and Kilcoo) have been far from their best. Rostrevor could've beaten Kilcoo and that was without Mooney...Burren should've been beaten by Castlewellan and struggled against Rostrevor 2nds team but still could (should) have had a semi final to look forward to...Mayobridge will feel like they've missed a massive opportunity-nothing against Ballyholland but the Bridge will feel like they let one slip, as they'd have fancied their chances against CPN in the Semis. Without doubt CPN have quality (best performance from any team in the competition when they played against Clonduff IMO) but I don't know that they want it as much as other teams, feel like they could blow a team out of the water but if it's really put up to them I'm not sure they have the fire in the belly. Genuinely can't see Clonduff beating Kilcoo, think there will be 6 or 7pts in that one. Ballyholland will massively fancy their chances of beating point, That's the draw they'd have wanted but I'm going for CPN by 3 though. CPN/Kilcoo final would make for best value for me as a neutral (They played out a cracker last year) but can't see anyone taking the Magpies...they just know how to grind out a win. Kilcoo to beat CPN in the final by 2...but all to play for!! Really looking forward to this weekend's games...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on September 24, 2019, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on September 23, 2019, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 23, 2019, 10:25:17 PM
I've read through the explanatory letter a few times today.

Still though I'm struggling to grapple the correlation between a nominal entry fee for u16s, children playing on the field at half time, and teenagers forming into an antisocial group.

Chaps if you want to charge a few quid for kids, just be honest about it. Don't dress it up within this nonsense.
can that letter be posted up? Haven't seen it.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFLcIfTWsAAt2xo?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on September 24, 2019, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on September 24, 2019, 12:53:25 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on September 23, 2019, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 23, 2019, 10:25:17 PM
I've read through the explanatory letter a few times today.

Still though I'm struggling to grapple the correlation between a nominal entry fee for u16s, children playing on the field at half time, and teenagers forming into an antisocial group.

Chaps if you want to charge a few quid for kids, just be honest about it. Don't dress it up within this nonsense.
can that letter be posted up? Haven't seen it.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFLcIfTWsAAt2xo?format=jpg&name=large)
thanks Ambrose.  It's getting some very negative responses on the Down facebook page. They might need the extra stewards outside the field at the ticket van. Gonna be alot of unhappy people 😂😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 24, 2019, 04:42:20 PM
If clubs could control their members at games we would not be in this position
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Post by: sdg on September 24, 2019, 05:20:37 PM
 :-*Major OG by the co board charging u16s.
Glenn v stJohn's Glenn win will have to much quality.
Shamrocks v D cross.  Cross win shamrocks have good  wee team but that's where D cross will be too big and strong.

Kilcoo v Clonduff  6 or 7 point win for kilcoo

CPN v Ballyholland. The hardest game to call,  Draw
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Post by: PTC on September 24, 2019, 06:08:15 PM
Think kilcoo will beat the yellas in a tight game the burren games should stand to them. The other semi final will also go down to the wire should be two good games
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Post by: ardtole on September 24, 2019, 09:02:29 PM
I thought Kilcoo struggled when Burren kicked the ball early into the 2 big lads in the full forward line. Once they went 4 ahead with maybe 15/20 mins to go the stopped doing this, tried to hold on to posession and ultimately played into Kilcoo's hand.

If Clonduff play Arthur Mcconville and Barry OHagan right on the edge of the square like Burren had done, they could cause the kilcoo defence problems.

Lavery again showed his class, Clonduff might want Darren O'Hagan attacking from the half back line but he could be an option to man mark Lavery.







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Post by: terrifictommy on September 24, 2019, 09:47:18 PM
Jim, longest hiatus I've seen you have, welcome back. It's not clubs role to curtail their supporters, it's people's own morals. At what point does abusing anyone within earshot resemble the sport we love so much. It's a dark alley we are going down and I'm not sure how to fix it. Charging £2 for minors isn't the answer.

SDG - id back those calls alright. Friday nights game would be interesting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 25, 2019, 12:46:12 PM
Just seen the video of the teenagers fighting behind the stand in Newry last week. Not surprised the County Board have elected to charge £2 entry, clearly no interest in watching football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 25, 2019, 03:24:57 PM
Sledgehammer to crack a nut comes to mind, what are we coming to, £2 in for u16, to stop a few unruly youngsters, could we not ask participating clubs for volunteers to ensure young lads from these clubs watch the game rather than run amok, do we really want to deter young lads from attending high profile games, sorry Sean og and co you have got this one badly wrong, it's not the £2 it's the fact that no one has sat done and discussed how to nip this problem in the bud, if charging £2 was the best solution they could come up with then we have guys at the helm who are clueless, and I think that is not the case , I think this has been a knee jerk reaction rather than a well thought out solution.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 25, 2019, 03:34:32 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 25, 2019, 03:24:57 PM
Sledgehammer to crack a nut comes to mind, what are we coming to, £2 in for u16, to stop a few unruly youngsters, could we not ask participating clubs for volunteers to ensure young lads from these clubs watch the game rather than run amok, do we really want to deter young lads from attending high profile games, sorry Sean og and co you have got this one badly wrong, it's not the £2 it's the fact that no one has sat done and discussed how to nip this problem in the bud, if charging £2 was the best solution they could come up with then we have guys at the helm who are clueless, and I think that is not the case , I think this has been a knee jerk reaction rather than a well thought out solution.

There's nothing kneejerk about charging U16's in, that was discussed at CB level a few years ago and knocked back by the clubs.
The latest incident in Newry is just the excuse to introduce it via the backdoor and whilst £2 isn't going to break anyone's bank its just the start of it.

Also,
   parents are entirely responsible for their children's behaviour. Asking stewards or whoever to marshall them is just neglecting their duty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 25, 2019, 04:48:34 PM
What's the big deal with paying £2 for under 16s
If you are not prepared to pay £2 don't take the children.
You would not be long during a 15 year old £3 for a chip down the town
Get real lads and stop always moaning £2 for 60 minutes of high quality football is nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on September 25, 2019, 06:16:25 PM
CB should take the £2, issue a raffle ticket with the child's match ticket and run a raffle at half time with go games footballs, sliotars, Down jerseys etc for the kids
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on September 25, 2019, 06:22:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 25, 2019, 04:48:34 PM
What's the big deal with paying £2 for under 16s

If it's not a big deal then why bother charging it in the first place?

People have previously pointed out that the GAA is in trouble in urban areas and our chairman for life wants to turn more people away from Pairc Esler on Saturday evening. Unbelievable Jeff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on September 25, 2019, 10:44:56 PM
To even have to issue a memo is a sad day for the GAA but it needed to be done.
We all to often criticize our committees within clubs and at County level but this time I feel it is a great bit of leadership from our County Board. Other County Boards have had worse situations but let it die down but no our leadership meet it head on. Why the issue ? Things happened and they have made a stand I and many I have spoken to applaud the memo and the County Board.
We have made a stand against antisocial behaviour and I feel proud of our County Board, let's applaud them as here they are courageous and right.
I have been to Windsor park a few times recently on youth soccer trips and they don't tolerate it so why should the GAA.?
Let's get behind our Board .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 25, 2019, 11:04:36 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 25, 2019, 04:48:34 PM
What's the big deal with paying £2 for under 16s
If you are not prepared to pay £2 don't take the children.
You would not be long during a 15 year old £3 for a chip down the town
Get real lads and stop always moaning £2 for 60 minutes of high quality football is nothing.
Be careful.....if the kids stop going to the football the outlook is bleak for the future. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 26, 2019, 09:03:40 AM
Quote from: yewtree on September 25, 2019, 10:44:56 PM
To even have to issue a memo is a sad day for the GAA but it needed to be done.
We all to often criticize our committees within clubs and at County level but this time I feel it is a great bit of leadership from our County Board. Other County Boards have had worse situations but let it die down but no our leadership meet it head on. Why the issue ? Things happened and they have made a stand I and many I have spoken to applaud the memo and the County Board.
We have made a stand against antisocial behaviour and I feel proud of our County Board, let's applaud them as here they are courageous and right.
I have been to Windsor park a few times recently on youth soccer trips and they don't tolerate it so why should the GAA.?
Let's get behind our Board .

Yewtree, read your posts from your entry to the Board and had a laugh but now having heard that you have attended "THAT PLACE" with youths I despair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 26, 2019, 10:33:50 AM
For the love of Christ can people please stop engaging with Yewtree and hopefully he will just fade in to the darkness... ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 26, 2019, 09:24:12 PM
Burren vs Rostrevor league game fixed for tomorrow at 7.30pm. Strange conflict with the semi-final in Pairc Esler, especially with Wpt involved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 26, 2019, 10:28:11 PM
Quote from: befair on September 26, 2019, 09:24:12 PM
Burren vs Rostrevor league game fixed for tomorrow at 7.30pm. Strange conflict with the semi-final in Pairc Esler, especially with Wpt involved
yewtree will be torn. Who will he choose
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on September 27, 2019, 12:02:14 AM
Again I must commend the County Board on this weekend fixture making , got the Point game on a Friday night and a very common-sense approach with Warrenpoint Town in action on Saturday afternoon in Milltown against Institute. Again accepting the reality that some of us and a growing number too like to be able to watch our local football team in action as well as our GAA team. The amount of underage footballers playing Gaelic now is staggering and long may it continue. Point leading from the front in accommodating and being an open house to all sports lovers.
Then Saturday evening Kilcoo and Clonduff in a closely fought game with the yellas coming out on top and a few reds too.Kilcoo with the mild mannered Moran up against the Harte inspired duo from Tyrone who most certainly will have Clonduff poised and ready to show what a traditional South Down club can do with an East Down outfit.
Let's hope it is a thriller to set up Point v Clonduff final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 27, 2019, 08:17:40 AM
I've seen nothing which suggests Clonduff will make the final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on September 27, 2019, 08:35:24 AM
Is there a live stream of CPN v Ballyholland ? If so where does it be on ? Down GAA Facebook page ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 27, 2019, 04:02:36 PM
£2 charge for u16's scrapped!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 27, 2019, 04:58:13 PM
Yewtree, stick to Warrenpoint town, your not a true GAA supporter , go see your soccer , enjoy it , be bored by it do whatever you want with it but don't start criticising our county fixtures secretary for not taking into consideration soccer, your a dick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 27, 2019, 06:24:40 PM
Is there a stream?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 27, 2019, 07:07:54 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 27, 2019, 06:24:40 PM
Is there a stream?
There is indeed

https://t.co/I2kfAU9Od1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 27, 2019, 07:38:11 PM
Great to hear but lads, please just commentate on the game. I really don't care who is watching the game so stop calling out names.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 27, 2019, 08:22:56 PM
Quote from: hardstation on September 27, 2019, 08:05:22 PM
Bit of a mismatch.

Can't see this one ending around 22:35 when Sean Og runs on to stop the game.🤔😜
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 27, 2019, 08:38:03 PM
Seriously, who gives a f**k who is watching. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 27, 2019, 09:11:24 PM
I do, I think it's a nice sentiment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 27, 2019, 09:23:17 PM
That's so sweet, Tommy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 27, 2019, 09:32:37 PM
Not gonna gloat. All I will say is I hope now you believe me when I say we are a top 4 team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 27, 2019, 09:35:33 PM
Oh, you're back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 27, 2019, 09:41:04 PM
Well done, not many would predict that game with a normally tough defensive blanket. Enjoy the build up for the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 27, 2019, 09:55:51 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 27, 2019, 09:32:37 PM
Not gonna gloat. All I will say is I hope now you believe me when I say we are a top 4 team

Hard to argue with that performance. Good luck in final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on September 27, 2019, 10:03:32 PM
The point definitely the most impressive team this year. On paper and on tonight's evidence they're a serious outfit. Should make for a great final with the magpies
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 27, 2019, 10:04:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 27, 2019, 09:32:37 PM
Not gonna gloat. All I will say is I hope now you believe me when I say we are a top 4 team

When there were ropey performances in the championship and the drop to the bottom of the league placings you weren't to be heard, as they say you're nothing but a dry day man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 27, 2019, 10:06:15 PM
Superb performance from CPN. The big wide spaces of Pairc Esler did not suit Ballyholland. In truth The Blues had too much pace and power  and the game was over when the first goal went in.

Finally on Paul Falloon. I despair!  He needs to implement the rules of the game. Ballyholland's off the ball shite should have been dealt with and it wasn't. Even when his Linesman informed him of off the ball altercations, he done nothing.
If you can't apply the rules of the game, don't be a Referee.
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Post by: sdg on September 27, 2019, 10:23:20 PM
Brilliant win for CPN, game was over after 10mins, everyone playing well from the start. Ballyholland I would have to question there kickout plan, there was none.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 27, 2019, 10:30:59 PM
Point were outstanding, well organised with plenty of men back and very threatening up front. Well done Barney.
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Post by: yewtree on September 27, 2019, 10:55:59 PM
Wow unbelievable performance - Ross McGarry top man 1.11 - guy works so hard - frees out of the hand ,of the ground , 45 ,penalty, from play great playmaker. Strong and fit.
So Point are in the final , the knock on for this in the town is just reward for the vision of Brendan Rice , Fergal McCormick , Bernie Ruane and others.Moygannon will be rocking until Final Day.
John Boyle playing top level football week in week out and a not too bad Gaelic player , he was accommodated so he can play both .This must be template for clubs going forward.
Just can't wait as everyone is saying Point in the final is the peoples favourite. Even Burren men cheering tonight .So let's hope Clonduff join Point tomorrow night - we can't be having Kilcoo in another final. Send them back to the mountains and the sheep.
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Post by: sdg on September 27, 2019, 11:09:14 PM
Quote from: yewtree on September 27, 2019, 10:55:59 PM
Wow unbelievable performance - Ross McGarry top man 1.11 - guy works so hard - frees out of the hand ,of the ground , 45 ,penalty, from play great playmaker. Strong and fit.
So Point are in the final , the knock on for this in the town is just reward for the vision of Brendan Rice , Fergal McCormick , Bernie Ruane and others.Moygannon will be rocking until Final Day.
John Boyle playing top level football week in week out and a not too bad Gaelic player , he was accommodated so he can play both .This must be template for clubs going forward.
Just can't wait as everyone is saying Point in the final is the peoples favourite. Even Burren men cheering tonight .So let's hope Clonduff join Point tomorrow night - we can't be having Kilcoo in another final. Send them back to the mountains and the sheep.

Yewtree I don't know what Rice has done for CPN, don't remember him taking any teams. Fergal yes off the pitch and Bernie Ruane most definitely put in 10 years or more building that senior team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 27, 2019, 11:11:13 PM
Quote from: befair on September 26, 2019, 09:24:12 PM
Burren vs Rostrevor league game fixed for tomorrow at 7.30pm. Strange conflict with the semi-final in Pairc Esler, especially with Wpt involved

Not that strange. It was fixed for Sat and the two clubs agreed Friday night. Doubt there are too many Point or Harps supporters in either club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 28, 2019, 12:34:16 AM
Downpatrick vs Ballyholland in the relegation play-off? Could be a bigger crowd than the county final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 28, 2019, 12:47:26 AM
Congrats to CPN tonight. Played some wonderful football. They've serious pace and moved it quickly, which is a pretty lethal combination. From 1-15 they were better than us and the score line unfortunately reflected the game accurately. Very impressed with young McCormick, D'Arcy and Rhino.

We will never want to see that video again. It's rare that you get 15 players all on tune but it's even rarer again that you get all 15 completely out of tune. But it happened to us tonight. None of us saw it coming. That wasn't Ballyholland.

Good luck in the final to the Blues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 28, 2019, 07:26:59 AM
When was the last time we had an exciting team like this make the finals. A team all neutrals like and are easy to watch. The defensive crap we have seen this 10 years is hopefully over. This CPN team reminds me of the Mayobridge team back in the day. Bring on the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 28, 2019, 10:21:03 AM
Kind words Wobbler! 

Your Team an off night snd any time young Loughran got the ball he was too far from goal to have an impact.
Serious game from John Boyle, who I thought Paul Murphy struggled with all night.

The pitch didn't suit The Harps style, too wide  and open , and with the pace in The Point Team there was just too many holes to plug.
Proud Point Man and our style of play was a joy to watch.
Roll on The Final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 28, 2019, 10:41:17 AM
Great result for the point last night they will go into the final with a lot of confidence after that win, I thought ballyholland would of run them close but it was over as soon as the goal went in. Hopefully tonight's game will be closer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 28, 2019, 11:40:59 AM
Listening to a couple of kilcoo lads sitting in front of me last night discussing what they will do to beat the point, think they must have forgotten they have to play a game tonight! A lot of Ballyholland players found out on the big pitch last night. The point won't get the same freedom in the final from Clonduff or Kilcoo. Ross mc Garry was excellent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 28, 2019, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 28, 2019, 07:26:59 AM
When was the last time we had an exciting team like this make the finals. A team all neutrals like and are easy to watch. The defensive crap we have seen this 10 years is hopefully over. This CPN team reminds me of the Mayobridge team back in the day. Bring on the final.
🙈😂 wise up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on September 28, 2019, 01:28:32 PM
Is kilcoo v Clonduff being live 2nite aswell?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 28, 2019, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on September 28, 2019, 01:28:32 PM
Is kilcoo v Clonduff being live 2nite aswell?
it is indeed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 28, 2019, 01:48:38 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 28, 2019, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on September 28, 2019, 01:28:32 PM
Is kilcoo v Clonduff being live 2nite aswell?
it is indeed
Have you got the link? Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 28, 2019, 01:54:38 PM
Quote from: befair on September 28, 2019, 01:48:38 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 28, 2019, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on September 28, 2019, 01:28:32 PM
Is kilcoo v Clonduff being live 2nite aswell?
it is indeed
Have you got the link? Thanks
won't be posted until later, be on the Twitter account and Facebook
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 28, 2019, 05:56:56 PM
2 tight  semis there in the Inter. Anyone at it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 28, 2019, 06:31:36 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 28, 2019, 05:56:56 PM
2 tight  semis there in the Inter. Anyone at it?

Yes... I can confirm that there won't be an East Down sweep.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2019, 08:32:30 PM
Never mind that... They couldn't get the names of any players right if their lives depended on it....woeful
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 28, 2019, 09:12:54 PM
Congratulations to Carryduff for clinching promotion and the D2 title tonight. They are a fine young side with plenty of pace and can hopefully cope with the pressures of the top division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 28, 2019, 09:14:40 PM
That was a tough watch. The standard was very very poor. So many basic mistakes being made. Lads not fit to kick the ball 30 yards. Fist passes going to the ground more than not. The list goes on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on September 28, 2019, 09:23:06 PM
Horrible game won by a team that just is so sore on the eye.Clonduff got the goals but just couldn't put Kilcoo away.Kilcoo very poor and Point will not have a problem with them if all the officials do their jobs. There needs to be a referee from outside the county. The whole of Ulster will be shouting for the point.
Even Burren men will be there as point men for the day ,Barney will have his homework done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on September 28, 2019, 09:23:57 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 28, 2019, 05:56:56 PM
2 tight  semis there in the Inter. Anyone at it?

Yes - Shamrocks showed great character to come from three points down to win by 2, against a side a division above them.

Glenn were dominant in the first half but wasted good scoring chances - St. Johns were playing hard for the win, and it looked like it for a while. Two cracking scores by Jarlath McConaghy and Gerard Bagnall to win the game for Glenn.

What impressed me about both the Shamrocks and Glenn was their patience and not panicking to secure the win - should be a good final.

Is it just me or do teams keep their worst football for playing against Kilcoo?

Or do Kilcoo force them to play dung?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 28, 2019, 09:24:19 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 28, 2019, 09:12:54 PM
Congratulations to Carryduff for clinching promotion and the D2 title tonight. They are a fine young side with plenty of pace and can hopefully cope with the pressures of the top division.

Congrats Carryduff , great outfit, well deserved.
Kilcoo/CPN should be a great final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on September 28, 2019, 09:40:26 PM
Terrible game tonight but the best team won. Don't think Kilcoo will be worried about performance. Semi finals are all about winning. Special mention for shamrocks brilliant win and great for Newry. Congrats also to Carryduff on winning Div2 a lot off hard work has been done at underage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 28, 2019, 09:51:03 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2019, 08:32:30 PM
Never mind that... They couldn't get the names of any players right if their lives depended on it....woeful

Feck it. It's free. Saves the petrol the time and the entrance fee. Worth it imo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2019, 10:10:04 PM
Very much so dessie..... Absolutely patsy..... Not forgetting big Damian mcilroys 40th birthday.. Works in the butchers in Mayobridge.... And also Thomas Gutsy(could there ever be a more ill fitting nickname) o hare in grants bar.

I think there were 5 Arthur mcconvilles playing out there at one stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on September 28, 2019, 10:17:42 PM
I'd take a rough guess by saying between kilcoo and clonduff they are probably spending over £50k on outside managers and they serve up that shite! Dear help down football!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 28, 2019, 10:21:01 PM
Kilcoo are not near the force they were but fair play they are still the best
The brannigans hold then together and they are having less affect year on year
What I will say is Down club football is crap. CPN are the leading lights.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on September 28, 2019, 10:24:14 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2019, 10:10:04 PM
Very much so dessie..... Absolutely patsy..... Not forgetting big Damian mcilroys 40th birthday.. Works in the butchers in Mayobridge.... And also Thomas Gutsy(could there ever be a more ill fitting nickname) o hare in grants bar.

I think there were 5 Arthur mcconvilles playing out there at one stage.
Its free. And fair play to them. If it wasnt streamed you would still complain
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2019, 10:26:16 PM
Absolutely dessie
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on September 28, 2019, 10:28:31 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 28, 2019, 10:21:01 PM
Kilcoo are not near the force they were but fair play they are still the best
The brannigans hold then together and they are having less affect year on year
What I will say is Down club football is crap. CPN are the leading lights.
totally agree. Hard watch tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on September 28, 2019, 10:30:01 PM
I hear the commentary was as good as the game!! In fairness it's good the facility is there especially for people overseas so give the lads a break.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 28, 2019, 10:31:08 PM
Kilcoo the better team, Mc Conville's tap in kept Clonduff in touch but they never pushed on. Like always Kilcoo never panicked knowing they would get the scores but I would have to question Clonduff's tactics. Everyone knows that Kilcoo have issues in their full back line but Clonduff didn't put Arthur inside to test this.

One of the most disturbing but not unsurprising things I was told by several people tonight was that a Kilcoo minor player, county minor from last year and current Kilcoo senior panelist, apparently asked a Mayobridge player during the game how his mother was. The Kilcoo player obviously knew that his Mayobridge opponent's mother had passed away during the year but he felt it appropriate to goad the lad about his mother's death. Why would anyone in the right mind do this or why would any young lad think of saying something sick like this? Kilcoo are full of the dark arts from underage all the way up to senior and there is one man driving it all. Kilcoo have short memories in what this current senior player and ex Down star did to individuals in their club. Scum like this have no place in our games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on September 28, 2019, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2019, 10:26:16 PM
Absolutely dessie
;D ;D ;D its patsy here. Dessie has gone home
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 28, 2019, 10:40:46 PM
Quote from: Lotto on September 28, 2019, 10:31:08 PM
Kilcoo the better team, Mc Conville's tap in kept Clonduff in touch but they never pushed on. Like always Kilcoo never panicked knowing they would get the scores but I would have to question Clonduff's tactics. Everyone knows that Kilcoo have issues in their full back line but Clonduff didn't put Arthur inside to test this.

One of the most disturbing but not unsurprising things I was told by several people tonight was that a Kilcoo minor player, county minor from last year and current Kilcoo senior panelist, apparently asked a Mayobridge player during the game how his mother was. The Kilcoo player obviously knew that his Mayobridge opponent's mother had passed away during the year but he felt it appropriate to goad the lad about his mother's death. Why would anyone in the right mind do this or why would any young lad think of saying something sick like this? Kilcoo are full of the dark arts from underage all the way up to senior and there is one man driving it all. Kilcoo have short memories in what this current senior player and ex Down star did to individuals in their club. Scum like this have no place in our games.
what did this so called individual do to ppl in his own club, hope the minor is dealt with /punished, did the referee hear it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on September 28, 2019, 10:46:38 PM
Quote from: Lotto on September 28, 2019, 10:31:08 PM
Kilcoo the better team, Mc Conville's tap in kept Clonduff in touch but they never pushed on. Like always Kilcoo never panicked knowing they would get the scores but I would have to question Clonduff's tactics. Everyone knows that Kilcoo have issues in their full back line but Clonduff didn't put Arthur inside to test this.

One of the most disturbing but not unsurprising things I was told by several people tonight was that a Kilcoo minor player, county minor from last year and current Kilcoo senior panelist, apparently asked a Mayobridge player during the game how his mother was. The Kilcoo player obviously knew that his Mayobridge opponent's mother had passed away during the year but he felt it appropriate to goad the lad about his mother's death. Why would anyone in the right mind do this or why would any young lad think of saying something sick like this? Kilcoo are full of the dark arts from underage all the way up to senior and there is one man driving it all. Kilcoo have short memories in what this current senior player and ex Down star did to individuals in their club. Scum like this have no place in our games.
Not good if true. Difficult to believe this takes place from underage level. Been to loads of underage competitions which kilcoo have attended. Never witness that... and who's the one man. Really? One man instigating all that? Really?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on September 28, 2019, 10:49:08 PM
Famous Down club in disgusting sledging shocker
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 28, 2019, 11:51:55 PM
As for the intermediate games, Darragh must be absolutely sick.. The game should have been over at HT but they kicked wide after wide. Shamrocks hung in there and produced at the right times and looked stronger in the closing stages.

Glenn were very comfortable in the opening 20mins and leading 7-2 at one stage but the johnnies kept chipping away at the scoreboard and brought it level deep into the 2nd half, Glenn got a 2nd wind and finished the stronger with a couple of great points from Brooks and Bagnall to close out the game.

Should be an interesting Final.

I also witnessed the man with the hat take an accidental slap to the chin during the bit of pushing and shoving on the sidelines during the 1st match.. Which started after the booting of the footballs onto the pitch to waste time in the dying embers..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 29, 2019, 12:26:42 AM
Glenn took CPN to the wire last year they must be a shoe in for the inter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on September 29, 2019, 01:05:40 AM
Quote from: elk on September 29, 2019, 12:26:42 AM
Glenn took CPN to the wire last year they must be a shoe in for the inter

Yes, they nearly got past CPN elk, but the players we lost this season left us wondering how we were going to do at all this season.
We lost the two Millars, Niall McParland and Denis Murtagh.

Plus club captain Conor Cranney had a cruciate at the start of the season. Goalkeeper John O'Hare wasn't available, but is back now.

This is where, before the final, credit has to be paid to Tony Bagnall, his management team, and the players for what they have achieved this year.

They have had the mindset of we'll concentrate on who is here, not who is not here.

And the way the team has grown this year, the younger (and older) fellas stepping up to the plate and getting us to an intermediate final, I have nothing but admiration for the lads for getting this far.

Having said that, I will be sick if Shamrocks beat us!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 29, 2019, 01:16:54 AM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on September 29, 2019, 01:05:40 AM
Quote from: elk on September 29, 2019, 12:26:42 AM
Glenn took CPN to the wire last year they must be a shoe in for the inter

Yes, they nearly got past CPN elk, but the players we lost this season left us wondering how we were going to do at all this season.
We lost the two Millars, Niall McParland and Denis Murtagh.

Plus club captain Conor Cranney had a cruciate at the start of the season. Goalkeeper John O'Hare wasn't available, but is back now.

This is where, before the final, credit has to be paid to Tony Bagnall, his management team, and the players for what they have achieved this year.

They have had the mindset of we'll concentrate on who is here, not who is not here.

And the way the team has grown this year, the younger (and older) fellas stepping up to the plate and getting us to an intermediate final, I have nothing but admiration for the lads for getting this far.

Having said that, I will be sick if Shamrocks beat us!!
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Good luck to both you and shamrocks may the best team win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on September 29, 2019, 01:23:59 AM
Quote from: elk on September 29, 2019, 01:16:54 AM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on September 29, 2019, 01:05:40 AM
Quote from: elk on September 29, 2019, 12:26:42 AM
Glenn took CPN to the wire last year they must be a shoe in for the inter

Yes, they nearly got past CPN elk, but the players we lost this season left us wondering how we were going to do at all this season.
We lost the two Millars, Niall McParland and Denis Murtagh.

Plus club captain Conor Cranney had a cruciate at the start of the season. Goalkeeper John O'Hare wasn't available, but is back now.

This is where, before the final, credit has to be paid to Tony Bagnall, his management team, and the players for what they have achieved this year.

They have had the mindset of we'll concentrate on who is here, not who is not here.

And the way the team has grown this year, the younger (and older) fellas stepping up to the plate and getting us to an intermediate final, I have nothing but admiration for the lads for getting this far.

Having said that, I will be sick if Shamrocks beat us!!
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Good luck to both you and shamrocks may the best team win
Fair play, thanks man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on September 29, 2019, 08:22:06 AM
Two very different semi-finals.

If Kilcoo had played Ballyholland in that form they also would have hammered them. So scorelines mean very little for me.

Looking at Kilcoo last night I would say that they are more vulnerable than previous years but still have certain aspects that are magnificent.

Passes that are looping are a disaster against Kilcoo (like high looping hand passes). That gives them time to see where the ball is going, the receiver has to effectively stand still and wait for the ball and by the time it gets there Kilcoo have surrounded him with 2-3 players to force a turnover.

Running into contact with kilcoo players is equally a disaster.  Same thing, first guy slows the attacker down then they quickly get 2-3 round the man to force turnover ball.

They way too beat Kilcoo seems to me to find a way to attack that excludes thier ability to surround and force turnover, it is their main strength and they rely on it heavily.

CPN are fast and move the ball well, and are happy to get it quickly into the full forward line with long direct play, but have some attackers that are more than happy to take men on. And indeed, to run at a second defender while being chased by a first. If they do that to kilcoo I think we could see them getting swallowed up very quickly.

I think the Point can beat Kilcoo but they need to be moving the ball very fast once it goes into the full forward line, it can't be a held-turn-run option very often.

In defence CPN look probably capable of keeping the Kilcoo players reasonably quiet. However Kilcoo have scored a lot more freely in the league, average score is 16 points per game even if you exclude the fluke score against Downpatrick in the first game, and have averaged 15 in the championship (fairly consistently).

Basically, if the Point can keep working hard in defence and avoid getting swamped in their long balls forward to Ross, then I think they have  very good chance against a Kilcoo team that is still very good but probably a touch off the abilities of their own team a few years ago under McCorry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skeog on September 29, 2019, 08:30:16 AM
Fair play to both commentators who seem to know everybody in Down, and Down Gaa for showing the games free.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on September 29, 2019, 08:41:41 AM
The 1st semi final was basically over after 10mins, CPN never got tested at all. Last nights game never got going at all I thought, very strange atmosphere for semi final and big local derby.

CPN play good brand of football, all very comfortable on the ball, but I think Kilcoo will be to strong, fit and too experienced to lose the final. Will be interesting game tho.

On separate note, doubt Paddy Tally has seem much in championship so far to warrant calling in to squad next year, Ryan Trainor worth a shot at it? John Boyle been excellent so far, but cant see him going back on the panel at his age. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 29, 2019, 08:43:12 AM
Lotto are u suggesting a player from Kilcoo sledging a dead parent on the field of play?
Jesus I'm all for a bit of slagging in this page but generally light hearted to get a rise
If that's the case I would imagine the aforementioned club will take immediate action
But again lotto nothing anyone writes on here can be taking seriously
Disgusting if true. Where the hell is the game going to with that bullshit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 29, 2019, 09:02:10 AM
Not a great game last night but kilcoo won't care they are into another final, eight years in a row is some achievement they must have some hunger to keep coming back and you wouldn't bet against them winning it again. The three tough games they had should leave them in good shape for the final they just know how to grind out a victory when things aren't going well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 29, 2019, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on September 28, 2019, 11:51:55 PM
As for the intermediate games, Darragh must be absolutely sick.. The game should have been over at HT but they kicked wide after wide. Shamrocks hung in there and produced at the right times and looked stronger in the closing stages.

Glenn were very comfortable in the opening 20mins and leading 7-2 at one stage but the johnnies kept chipping away at the scoreboard and brought it level deep into the 2nd half, Glenn got a 2nd wind and finished the stronger with a couple of great points from Brooks and Bagnall to close out the game.

Should be an interesting Final.

I also witnessed the man with the hat take an accidental slap to the chin during the bit of pushing and shoving on the sidelines during the 1st match.. Which started after the booting of the footballs onto the pitch to waste time in the dying embers..

The Darragh maor uisce did the right thing when that cuntish tactic started. Threw the Shamrocks bag of balls over the wall into the stand
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 29, 2019, 09:22:23 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 29, 2019, 08:43:12 AM
Lotto are u suggesting a player from Kilcoo sledging a dead parent on the field of play?
Jesus I'm all for a bit of slagging in this page but generally light hearted to get a rise
If that's the case I would imagine the aforementioned club will take immediate action
But again lotto nothing anyone writes on here can be taking seriously
Disgusting if true. Where the hell is the game going to with that bullshit

Yes, I have total faith in the guy who told me at the game. I'm surprised no one else has heard this. I've done a bit of digging and there was talking of the lad going to the young Mayobridge players house to apologise. If it was my lad who received this abuse, God forbid, I'd be telling him to go f**k himself and his apology. There is absolutely no place for this in our games. Ask about yourselves men, someone will be on here to confirm it's true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 29, 2019, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: maldini on September 29, 2019, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on September 28, 2019, 11:51:55 PM
As for the intermediate games, Darragh must be absolutely sick.. The game should have been over at HT but they kicked wide after wide. Shamrocks hung in there and produced at the right times and looked stronger in the closing stages.

Glenn were very comfortable in the opening 20mins and leading 7-2 at one stage but the johnnies kept chipping away at the scoreboard and brought it level deep into the 2nd half, Glenn got a 2nd wind and finished the stronger with a couple of great points from Brooks and Bagnall to close out the game.

Should be an interesting Final.

I also witnessed the man with the hat take an accidental slap to the chin during the bit of pushing and shoving on the sidelines during the 1st match.. Which started after the booting of the footballs onto the pitch to waste time in the dying embers..

The Darragh maor uisce did the right thing when that cuntish tactic started. Threw the Shamrocks bag of balls over the wall into the stand

This is getting more common, can have a significant impact and the rules need to respond . Play does not need to stop unless the second ball is actually interfering with play. The onus should be on the team who is advantaged by playing down the clock to remove the second ball from play immediately or risk additional time being added on and black card.
I think the black card has been a mixed bag, whereas it is a disincentive to some cynical play it hasn't clamped down on unsporting playing down the clock behaviour. Cynical fouls in the dying minutes are encouraged to get over the line. This is easily remedied ,  Black and yellow card fouls  to count down the clock should also incur a 2 minute additional time penalty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 29, 2019, 12:57:02 PM
Heard about this during the week, happened during game on Tuesday. I don't think writing words on this page will be descriptive enough of the ugliness of such events. Win at all costs and the world is against us - Not the blueprint I want for our county. Forget the apology, people only apologise when others show distaste for their actions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 29, 2019, 01:45:44 PM
Is it any wonder there are rows in football nowadays when these scumbags tactics are rife..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 29, 2019, 02:06:34 PM
Before anyone goes off on one it is just speculation from lotto and as I said we can't believe all we read on this forum. I would expect the club to deal with it internally if true. Have text a mate to see if any substance to it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 29, 2019, 02:30:05 PM
Thanks Smurfy, I'll await the response from your mate. So then you can post speculation or will that be a more valid post because your mate told you. #mindyourhead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 29, 2019, 02:39:44 PM
Its win @all cost, stuff like that shouldn't be brought up on the field of play or indeed any where else for that matter, this is only 1 side of the story however, was this so called kilcoo player attacked or verbally abused to throw this up to a fellow Gael? 🤔 anyway back to last nights game ,god the yellas were very defensive every player inside their own 45 , puke football, magpies far fitter team ,still need to improve big time to beat a decent point team,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 29, 2019, 03:22:03 PM
I'm all for banter on this forum and agree with everyone who has condemned this sort of personal sledging , the young lad who was subject to this abuse I commend for not reacting but god knows what was going through his mind, the offending player his coach and club need to have a long hard look at this and make sure it never happens again, there is no place for this type of behaviour, I hope it doesn't put if this young lad from playing football for his club and I wish him well for the future
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 29, 2019, 07:43:54 PM
100% agree with you cuan, dont think his coach  and club sent him out to verbally abuse his opponent? Or do you know something we dont🤔?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 29, 2019, 08:19:08 PM
Territommy I didn't speculate on anything. It was brought up by somebody else. Sure I won't comment on it on a discussion board. Wise up will you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 29, 2019, 09:01:00 PM
Smurfy, it was sarcasm. We should believe a post from you because you text a mate rather than 2 other corroborated posts. Serious matter, serious deep rooted values of what winning means and at what personal cost. It makes me sad to think this is the path our games are heading, and no doubt it is. Real empathy goes to that player, no one should have to endure that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 29, 2019, 09:12:00 PM
Will kilcoo v point b a hard 1 to call?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 29, 2019, 09:21:55 PM
Yeah, it will depend on which Point team turn up. If it's the pacy attack side we've seen a few times then they will trouble Kilcoo and may well be favourites. If they slow the game up then there's usually only one winner in that. Be interesting to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 29, 2019, 09:30:08 PM
Well for what's it worth it's true and the apology came from the lad that said it. The lad called to the house and said sorry so at least that is something.  Can't understand how or why this sledging happens in our games. Sad state of affairs. No doubt it will be brushed under the carpet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 30, 2019, 10:36:13 AM
Bit of an anti-climax of a weekend at those games. CPN were seriously impressive and are still the best team I've seen in this year's championship to date. That being said, Ballyholland never ever got going and some of their younger players looked like the occasion got the better of them. After 15mins the game was dead and buried but it's the first year I've seen a point team put their opponents to the sword. Kept going for 60mins and have pace, power and skill all over the pitch. 1-15 I haven't seen too many weak links, not sure what they have to bring off the bench which would be my main concern if I was a point man. Still, looks promising for them based on what I've seen.

Kilcoo and Clonduff was a very poor spectacle, Clonduff never looked like they believed they could win that match. Even when they went two up in the second half, they retreated and invited pressure on from the Magpies. Kilcoo see to have a mental edge over some teams in the county which is worth three or four points in itself. They never got out of 2nd or 3rd gear and have a lot more to offer which is promising for them. I don't think we've seen the best of the All blacks yet but they don't look like the team they were a few years ago. Conor Lavery was instrumental and thought Eugene Brannigan was very busy as always. IMO Clonduff made a mistake putting Darren on Lavery, DOH is their best player and leader but didn't bring any of that to the table on Saturday eve.

I genuinely think we're in for a cracking final, CPN will fear no one and rightly so. Kilcoo will have done their homework but I think this is a 50/50 game based on who takes their chances on the day and a big factor will be the man in the middle-a strong ref will suit CPN, I think Kilcoo have benefitted from some soft refereeing in the past with regards to the dark arts and diving etc. I don't see either team running away with it, going to say this game will end in a draw. CPN to win it in the replay for me.

Any word or thoughts on who is referring the final? As a neutral, I'm very much looking forward to this one...unknown quantity vrs a mammoth team of the last decade...lots to be excited about in 2wks!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 30, 2019, 01:37:08 PM
A strong Referee will be required if we are to come out on top. On Friday Night Paul Falloon blatantly ignored three or four off the ball incidents that would have seen Ballyholland punished.

Kilcoo will be well aware of The Point's main threats and will do whatever it takes to nulify them. If the Referee allows them to hold, drag and foul it will undoubtedly curtail our running game. However if he Referees the game based on the laws of the game then I honestly think bar a seriously poor display, we will have too much for Kilcoo. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 30, 2019, 02:10:30 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 30, 2019, 01:37:08 PM
A strong Referee will be required if we are to come out on top. On Friday Night Paul Falloon blatantly ignored three or four off the ball incidents that would have seen Ballyholland punished.

Kilcoo will be well aware of The Point's main threats and will do whatever it takes to nulify them. If the Referee allows them to hold, drag and foul it will undoubtedly curtail our running game. However if he Referees the game based on the laws of the game then I honestly think bar a seriously poor display, we will have too much for Kilcoo.

If you're seriously suggesting that the ref on Friday night helped Ballyholland even slightly, then you're incapable of objective assessment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 30, 2019, 02:17:37 PM
Gaa clubs all have a brand, a legacy you might say, regardless of what a certain club might win this year or any year, their reputation will forever be tarnished with the crap that they take to games. The GAA means much more than this, will this certain club be releasing a statement or hope it just goes away
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 30, 2019, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 30, 2019, 01:37:08 PM
A strong Referee will be required if we are to come out on top. On Friday Night Paul Falloon blatantly ignored three or four off the ball incidents that would have seen Ballyholland punished.

Kilcoo will be well aware of The Point's main threats and will do whatever it takes to nulify them. If the Referee allows them to hold, drag and foul it will undoubtedly curtail our running game. However if he Referees the game based on the laws of the game then I honestly think bar a seriously poor display, we will have too much for Kilcoo.

Aw now Guevara, I was at the game with a number of Point people who I'm friendly with and all of them would tell you Paul Falloon was very good the other night and didn't help Ballyholland in the slightest. Thought he did the game very fairly and was a very decent display of referring IMO. Tiarnan Rushe should've been black carded first half but that was the linesman (Darren O'Hare I believe) who should've called that, not Falloon. Other than that there was very little he got wrong...

Kilcoo seem to have most of the referees on their side this last six or seven years...most of whom are doing in house games for them. Adrian Sharvin probably get the final. Surely Ciaran Brannigan can't get the final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 30, 2019, 03:30:26 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 30, 2019, 02:17:37 PM
Gaa clubs all have a brand, a legacy you might say, regardless of what a certain club might win this year or any year, their reputation will forever be tarnished with the crap that they take to games. The GAA means much more than this, will this certain club be releasing a statement or hope it just goes away
does the south down select make a statement every time a certain mr magill or mr ryan hits juvenile player's? Or indeed when they're firing abuse at their own under age players? Twice this year magill was forced to apologise to under age players from his adopted club😂, but yous wont talk about that ,it might bring the reputation of the great burren down ! #a**hole
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on September 30, 2019, 05:30:07 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on September 30, 2019, 03:30:26 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 30, 2019, 02:17:37 PM
Gaa clubs all have a brand, a legacy you might say, regardless of what a certain club might win this year or any year, their reputation will forever be tarnished with the crap that they take to games. The GAA means much more than this, will this certain club be releasing a statement or hope it just goes away
does the south down select make a statement every time a certain mr magill or mr ryan hits juvenile player's? Or indeed when they're firing abuse at their own under age players? Twice this year magill was forced to apologise to under age players from his adopted club😂, but yous wont talk about that ,it might bring the reputation of the great burren down ! #a**hole
well said champion1981. Like I posted sometime back I witnessed this for myself.  Downjim has just come out of hibernation and is still not fully awake. But no doubt he will come alive over the next 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 30, 2019, 05:31:13 PM
the Referees done a good job at the weekend, let's not make them the most important part of the final. It's the match ups that will possibly decide this and whether Pount can keep that free flowing football going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 30, 2019, 07:23:35 PM
Tommy, point and kilcoo 2 good attacking teams if and when the go at it,point have couple of good footballers ,but honestly cant see them beat kilcoo ,kilcoos know how to win and grind out results will get them over the line
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on September 30, 2019, 07:36:23 PM
Some people are not brought up they are dragged up if some of the sledging and verbals,a certain club think this passes as being competitive.

One club in The East in particular needs to take a look at themselves.

Burren in fairness would not be a club renowned for unsporting behaviour if anything I feel they and their seniors are fantastic role models.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 30, 2019, 07:51:03 PM
Quote from: yewtree on September 30, 2019, 07:36:23 PM
Some people are not brought up they are dragged up if some of the sledging and verbals,a certain club think this passes as being competitive. Yewtree 😂 did you attend last years sfc final, throwing balls on to field to kill time?? Great role models all right,  when yous got it done few weeks back yous wernt to happy, and that east down club you refer 2 is the most decorated club In this fine county, jealously will get you no where 😉😂

One club in The East in particular needs to take a look at themselves.

Burren in fairness would not be a club renowned for unsporting behaviour if anything I feel they and their seniors are fantastic role models.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 30, 2019, 07:53:14 PM
Quote from: yewtree on September 30, 2019, 07:36:23 PM
Some people are not brought up they are dragged up if some of the sledging and verbals,a certain club think this passes as being competitive.

One club in The East in particular needs to take a look at themselves.

Burren in fairness would not be a club renowned for unsporting behaviour if anything I feel they and their seniors are fantastic role models.

Burren was the 1st place I seen that shite of booting the balls onto the pitch to waste time in a league game a few years ago during the Ward era.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on September 30, 2019, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: yewtree on September 30, 2019, 07:36:23 PM
Some people are not brought up they are dragged up if some of the sledging and verbals,a certain club think this passes as being competitive.

One club in The East in particular needs to take a look at themselves.

Burren in fairness would not be a club renowned for unsporting behaviour if anything I feel they and their seniors are fantastic role models.
Go on. Be a proper keyboard warrior and just name that club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 30, 2019, 09:47:04 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on September 30, 2019, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: yewtree on September 30, 2019, 07:36:23 PM
Some people are not brought up they are dragged up if some of the sledging and verbals,a certain club think this passes as being competitive.

One club in The East in particular needs to take a look at themselves.

Burren in fairness would not be a club renowned for unsporting behaviour if anything I feel they and their seniors are fantastic role models.
Go on. Be a proper keyboard warrior and just name that club.

Why, do ya not know who it is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on September 30, 2019, 10:20:11 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on September 30, 2019, 09:47:04 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on September 30, 2019, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: yewtree on September 30, 2019, 07:36:23 PM
Some people are not brought up they are dragged up if some of the sledging and verbals,a certain club think this passes as being competitive.

One club in The East in particular needs to take a look at themselves.

Burren in fairness would not be a club renowned for unsporting behaviour if anything I feel they and their seniors are fantastic role models.
Go on. Be a proper keyboard warrior and just name that club.

Why, do ya not know who it is?
Fair Idea. Not brave enough for yewtree to name?
Be careful. I hear they dabble in witch craft and satanic rituals. All part of the dark arts. You would never know what they could do to us on this board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on October 01, 2019, 09:39:58 AM
Relax Wobbler!  Did The Referee leniently allow Ballyholland away with a number of late "tackles" , third man tackles and various off the ball incidents?  Yes. It had no impact on the game.
However you are missing the point. The job of a Referee is too apply the rules of the game. Anytime I've seen Paul Falloon (and it's been a fair few) he fails to to do his job, and instead is selective of when to and when not to call the cynical off the ball shite that has no place in our game.

My point was that in my opinion Kilcoo will use similar tactics and it will take a strong Refereeing performance to call them on it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 01, 2019, 11:20:12 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 19, 2019, 03:32:43 PM
Don't know upandwin, you could be right about Ballyholland, they are dogged , committed and coming into a bit of form at the right time, Kilcoo may have too much for Burren, and if that's the case then it's theirs to win with Ballyholland possibly facing them in the final. The wannabe s from that supposed sporting hub have no chance , if they aren't careful they could be dragged into a relegation play off and wouldn't that be terrible - not
At least you got the Kilcoo bit right!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on October 01, 2019, 11:21:08 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 30, 2019, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: guevara on September 30, 2019, 01:37:08 PM
A strong Referee will be required if we are to come out on top. On Friday Night Paul Falloon blatantly ignored three or four off the ball incidents that would have seen Ballyholland punished.

Kilcoo will be well aware of The Point's main threats and will do whatever it takes to nulify them. If the Referee allows them to hold, drag and foul it will undoubtedly curtail our running game. However if he Referees the game based on the laws of the game then I honestly think bar a seriously poor display, we will have too much for Kilcoo.

Aw now Guevara, I was at the game with a number of Point people who I'm friendly with and all of them would tell you Paul Falloon was very good the other night and didn't help Ballyholland in the slightest. Thought he did the game very fairly and was a very decent display of referring IMO. Tiarnan Rushe should've been black carded first half but that was the linesman (Darren O'Hare I believe) who should've called that, not Falloon. Other than that there was very little he got wrong...

Kilcoo seem to have most of the referees on their side this last six or seven years...most of whom are doing in house games for them. Adrian Sharvin probably get the final. Surely Ciaran Brannigan can't get the final?
How can ciaran Brannigan honestly be considered to referee kilcoo games??? He is a relative of the Brannigans on the kilcoo team. A disgrace over the years he has got to referee kilcoo with them playing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 01, 2019, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: guevara on October 01, 2019, 09:39:58 AM
Relax Wobbler!  Did The Referee leniently allow Ballyholland away with a number of late "tackles" , third man tackles and various off the ball incidents?  Yes[/font]. It had no impact on the game.
However you are missing the point. The job of a Referee is too apply the rules of the game. Anytime I've seen Paul Falloon (and it's been a fair few) he fails to to do his job, and instead is selective of when to and when not to call the cynical off the ball shite that has no place in our game.

My point was that in my opinion Kilcoo will use similar tactics and it will take a strong Refereeing performance to call them on it.

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 01, 2019, 01:38:03 PM
Quote from: guevara on October 01, 2019, 09:39:58 AM
Relax Wobbler!  Did The Referee leniently allow Ballyholland away with a number of late "tackles" , third man tackles and various off the ball incidents?  Yes. It had no impact on the game.
However you are missing the point. The job of a Referee is too apply the rules of the game. Anytime I've seen Paul Falloon (and it's been a fair few) he fails to to do his job, and instead is selective of when to and when not to call the cynical off the ball shite that has no place in our game.

My point was that in my opinion Kilcoo will use similar tactics and it will take a strong Refereeing performance to call them on it.

Yeah but the point is you're only seeing it in one direction.

Rushe should have got a black card.

But if we are letter of the law-ing it then John Boyle could have taken a black a few times for drag downs, and the flying tackle on Paul Murphy was, well, a red card in most field sports in the world.


The ref was more than fair to CPN Friday night.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on October 01, 2019, 02:30:26 PM
So you thought Falloon had a good game but now your saying he missed incidents?  Which is it?

Personally I thought John Boyle shipped a few late hits on Friday. I didn't think on any occasion he hauled a player down.

But again you deliberately miss the point being made. It is the job of The Referee to ensure a game is officiated in a fair manner, with the rules applied accordingly.

If a Referee does that, the cynical tactics employed by some are stamped out from the outset.

Too many have the view "it's a mans game". There is nothing manly about opportunistic cheap shots that are all too common in Today's game.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 01, 2019, 03:04:02 PM
Quote from: guevara on October 01, 2019, 02:30:26 PM
So you thought Falloon had a good game but now your saying he missed incidents?  Which is it?

Personally I thought John Boyle shipped a few late hits on Friday. I didn't think on any occasion he hauled a player down.

But again you deliberately miss the point being made. It is the job of The Referee to ensure a game is officiated in a fair manner, with the rules applied accordingly.

If a Referee does that, the cynical tactics employed by some are stamped out from the outset.

Too many have the view "it's a mans game". There is nothing manly about opportunistic cheap shots that are all too common in Today's game.

At no point did I say he had a good game. Just that on the balance of decisions, CPN shouldn't really complain about his performance.

While I largely agree with what you want referees to do, ultimately the off the ball stuff you're describing is not going to be seen by him unless he's looking in the wrong direction.

It requires linesmen and umpires to intervene for that to happen. At which point the referee has a judgement call to make, whether to trust the opinions and recommendations of the umpire, or not. It's wonderfully easy for you to say he should. It's not so easy for the man who actually has to dole out the cards. Especially if the precedent he sets means he has to evaluate every off the ball incident in unison with up to 6 different opinions, each of which is formed by a person with their own biases and a slightly different disposition towards aggression than the next man.

None of us want the referee to be the most visible man on the field. He (well, most of them) doesn't want this either. Do we really want 7 men adjudicating continually?

I can see what you're after. But I'm really sure anyone wants what it would bring.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 01, 2019, 03:50:07 PM
CB are looking for new refs all the time lads, step in when you're ready. Oh wait, it's easier to slate them than join them. I wouldn't fancy it, they are trying to keep on top of our mistakes, and we make a lot more. Plus, Falloon is in the inter-county scene and you don't get there for being a poor referee no matter what we say.
Once we rule out the refs who can't do the game there aren't many options left. Con Reynolds for 2nd year......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 01, 2019, 03:57:05 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 01, 2019, 03:04:02 PM
Quote from: guevara on October 01, 2019, 02:30:26 PM
So you thought Falloon had a good game but now your saying he missed incidents?  Which is it?

Personally I thought John Boyle shipped a few late hits on Friday. I didn't think on any occasion he hauled a player down.

But again you deliberately miss the point being made. It is the job of The Referee to ensure a game is officiated in a fair manner, with the rules applied accordingly.

If a Referee does that, the cynical tactics employed by some are stamped out from the outset.

Too many have the view "it's a mans game". There is nothing manly about opportunistic cheap shots that are all too common in Today's game.

At no point did I say he had a good game. Just that on the balance of decisions, CPN shouldn't really complain about his performance.

While I largely agree with what you want referees to do, ultimately the off the ball stuff you're describing is not going to be seen by him unless he's looking in the wrong direction.

It requires linesmen and umpires to intervene for that to happen. At which point the referee has a judgement call to make, whether to trust the opinions and recommendations of the umpire, or not. It's wonderfully easy for you to say he should. It's not so easy for the man who actually has to dole out the cards. Especially if the precedent he sets means he has to evaluate every off the ball incident in unison with up to 6 different opinions, each of which is formed by a person with their own biases and a slightly different disposition towards aggression than the next man.

None of us want the referee to be the most visible man on the field. He (well, most of them) doesn't want this either. Do we really want 7 men adjudicating continually?

I can see what you're after. But I'm really sure anyone wants what it would bring.
When you listen to people watching football, especially when you are a neutral at games, they don't want the referee to be fair. They want a free called every time a hand is laid on their player and they want no frees gave against them. The amount of times you hear a ref being called all sorts for a completely correct call at a game is a joke. I'm sure I've done it myself in the heat of it too but it's getting worse. I know we don't have the best crop of refs in Down but who'd do it? I wouldn't do it for £500 a game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 01, 2019, 04:21:49 PM
It would probably be better if a man went out and actually went toe to toe with his opposite number in a contest of ability, skill and wits without having to resort to crap.
Good players dont need resort to nonsense, its usually the tubes you see running about like headless chickens. You can be sure that the guy spends his time cheap digging, sledging and late hitting is technically inferior to his opponent. For instance Ballyholland no6 spent most of the game on Friday throwing shapes. If id been him i would took one look at the scoreboard and kept my head down and said nowt.

Ballyholland were disappointing by their own standards, and very un-Ballyholland like. They left a raft of room in front of McGarry & co to operate in untouched for large parts and when Point built up that lead they never relented. The sweeper or men back didnt affect the game as much as ive seen them do previously. Even when Point got ahead of steam i was surprised Ballyholland didnt shut the gate for a period just to regain composure. In a year when the standard looked as poor as ever they probably maxed out at getting to a semi and im sure avoiding relegation is the ultimate aim.

You have to give the Point credit though in how they played. Pace, power and mobility across all lines and key players performed, though id doubt if they could replicate that again with nearly 1-15 on song. Kilcoo will set out to do a job on Boyle such is his influence, similarly to how he had the physicality to handle Murphy's threat. McGarry wont score a hatful against the Brannigans but id still expect him to weigh in with scores. The Point's strength is actually their defence and how interchangeable it is with quality footballers across the lines, they seem to be able to handle most threats. If memory serves me the two teams played out a fiercely fought contest in the semis last year and it looked finely balanced until the sending off of Point Capt.
Kilcoo will want to put them in their place and show that Burren winning last year was a blip..whereas Point will want to prove they have the mettle required to back up their chat.
Dont rule out the draw folks.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 01, 2019, 04:34:54 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 01, 2019, 04:21:49 PM
It would probably be better if a man went out and actually went toe to toe with his opposite number in a contest of ability, skill and wits without having to resort to crap.
Good players dont need resort to nonsense, its usually the tubes you see running about like headless chickens. You can be sure that the guy spends his time cheap digging, sledging and late hitting is technically inferior to his opponent. For instance Ballyholland no6 spent most of the game on Friday throwing shapes. If id been him i would took one look at the scoreboard and kept my head down and said nowt.

Ballyholland were disappointing by their own standards, and very un-Ballyholland like. They left a raft of room in front of McGarry & co to operate in untouched for large parts and when Point built up that lead they never relented. The sweeper or men back didnt affect the game as much as ive seen them do previously. Even when Point got ahead of steam i was surprised Ballyholland didnt shut the gate for a period just to regain composure. In a year when the standard looked as poor as ever they probably maxed out at getting to a semi and im sure avoiding relegation is the ultimate aim.

You have to give the Point credit though in how they played. Pace, power and mobility across all lines and key players performed, though id doubt if they could replicate that again with nearly 1-15 on song. Kilcoo will set out to do a job on Boyle such is his influence, similarly to how he had the physicality to handle Murphy's threat. McGarry wont score a hatful against the Brannigans but id still expect him to weigh in with scores. The Point's strength is actually their defence and how interchangeable it is with quality footballers across the lines, they seem to be able to handle most threats. If memory serves me the two teams played out a fiercely fought contest in the semis last year and it looked finely balanced until the sending off of Point Capt.
Kilcoo will want to put them in their place and show that Burren winning last year was a blip..whereas Point will want to prove they have the mettle required to back up their chat.
Dont rule out the draw folks.

The most sensible post I've seen on this thread in about 18 months...mine included lol I've called the draw too, think it will be won by CPN in the replay...Kilcoo aren't as good as they were last year and the point seem better...Bridge and Burren will be kicking themselves...it was a year anyone of the big four could've won it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 01, 2019, 09:38:54 PM
So kilcoo win the league tonight I see  ,must of Been poor enough game, heavy suspensions coming I heard! Did the referee get a dig?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 01, 2019, 09:56:06 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 01, 2019, 09:38:54 PM
So kilcoo win the league tonight I see  ,must of Been poor enough game, heavy suspensions coming I heard! Did the referee get a dig?
Yes I heard Mr Rice got a dig from a Clonduff player
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 01, 2019, 10:05:22 PM
Bad work if true! Was a low scoring game congrats to kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 02, 2019, 07:18:05 AM
Disgrace of true indeed, verbal abuse is bad enought, but when it comes to the physical kind it's time to act swiftly. Without these guys in the middle we have no games, it's as simple as that. Will the refs themselves act on this? Anyone know the sanctions that can be used? Surely the club should act as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on October 02, 2019, 11:55:50 AM
Shocking hope the Co board take the strongest possible action. Congratulations to Kilcoo on winning the ACL Div1. A few big games coming up Saturday at the bottom end, Downpatrick v Ford the big game. Think Castlewellan will get a easy win against a probably 2nds Warrenpoint team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 02, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
Couple of big weeks ahead in the season...What's everyone's predictions for Saturday's games? Lots of permutations possible...

Rostrevor v Mayobridge-Surely Mayobridge will win that against a Rostrevor side that have obviously packed up tools for the year
Downpatrick v Bryansford-Both need to win, think Bryansford will win in a close game
Castlewellan v CPN-Castlewellan to beat the point handy, point surely bubble wrapping players over the next 10days
Ballyholland v Burren-Harps to win by 4...Burren have given up the ghost too, apparently they aren't training or anything.

Think if those results go to plan, that means RGU go down and Castlewellan would play Ballyholland in a Playoff? Would be good value for the neutrals if Harps and Hoops played out a relegation decider...If Downpatrick beat the Ford and those other results go as predicted, am I right in saying that would leave Castlewellan straight down and RGU playing Bryansford in a relegation playoff?


Are the point and Mayobridge safe enough no matter what? Head hurts looking at that league table...  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rory on October 02, 2019, 04:26:49 PM
Quote from: upandwin on October 02, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
Couple of big weeks ahead in the season...What's everyone's predictions for Saturday's games? Lots of permutations possible...

Rostrevor v Mayobridge-Surely Mayobridge will win that against a Rostrevor side that have obviously packed up tools for the year
Downpatrick v Bryansford-Both need to win, think Bryansford will win in a close game
Castlewellan v CPN-Castlewellan to beat the point handy, point surely bubble wrapping players over the next 10days
Ballyholland v Burren-Harps to win by 4...Burren have given up the ghost too, apparently they aren't training or anything.

Think if those results go to plan, that means RGU go down and Castlewellan would play Ballyholland in a Playoff? Would be good value for the neutrals if Harps and Hoops played out a relegation decider...If Downpatrick beat the Ford and those other results go as predicted, am I right in saying that would leave Castlewellan straight down and RGU playing Bryansford in a relegation playoff?


Are the point and Mayobridge safe enough no matter what? Head hurts looking at that league table...  :-\
Diff  Pts
6   Cumann Pheadair Naofa        9   18
7   Mayobridge                         -3   16
8   Bryansford                          -23  16
9   Ballyholland                        -49  16
10   RGU Downpatrick              -58   12
11   Castlewellan                     -54   11

I'm presuming the tie-breaker is score difference.

If Bryansford and Ballyholland get a better result than 'Bridge, 'Bridge will end up in playoff as they are all on same points.  The score diff means that 3 wins would probably put Ballyholland in playoff.

If CPN lose by 9 say, and bridge win by 4, 'Ford win by 24 and Harps win by 50, then CPN in playoff  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 02, 2019, 04:37:16 PM
Quote from: rory on October 02, 2019, 04:26:49 PM
Quote from: upandwin on October 02, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
Couple of big weeks ahead in the season...What's everyone's predictions for Saturday's games? Lots of permutations possible...

Rostrevor v Mayobridge-Surely Mayobridge will win that against a Rostrevor side that have obviously packed up tools for the year
Downpatrick v Bryansford-Both need to win, think Bryansford will win in a close game
Castlewellan v CPN-Castlewellan to beat the point handy, point surely bubble wrapping players over the next 10days
Ballyholland v Burren-Harps to win by 4...Burren have given up the ghost too, apparently they aren't training or anything.

Think if those results go to plan, that means RGU go down and Castlewellan would play Ballyholland in a Playoff? Would be good value for the neutrals if Harps and Hoops played out a relegation decider...If Downpatrick beat the Ford and those other results go as predicted, am I right in saying that would leave Castlewellan straight down and RGU playing Bryansford in a relegation playoff?


Are the point and Mayobridge safe enough no matter what? Head hurts looking at that league table...  :-\
Diff  Pts
6   Cumann Pheadair Naofa        9   18
7   Mayobridge                         -3   16
8   Bryansford                          -23  16
9   Ballyholland                        -49  16
10   RGU Downpatrick              -58   12
11   Castlewellan                     -54   11

I'm presuming the tie-breaker is score difference.

If Bryansford and Ballyholland get a better result than 'Bridge, 'Bridge will end up in playoff as they are all on same points.  The score diff means that 3 wins would probably put Ballyholland in playoff.

If CPN lose by 9 say, and bridge win by 4, 'Ford win by 24 and Harps win by 50, then CPN in playoff  :o

So the point aren't safe...? Nervy times on the seaside...lol Haven't seen much of Ford or RGU this year...who wins that one? Can see Cwellan, Bridge and Ballyholland winning...just don't know anything about RGU or Ford. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 02, 2019, 07:32:37 PM
I see adrain sharvin is doing the senior final, I thought he did very well in the kilcoo burren replay
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 02, 2019, 07:49:20 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 02, 2019, 07:32:37 PM
I see adrain sharvin is doing the senior final, I thought he did very well in the kilcoo burren replay

Any word on who's doing the intermediate? Or even Junior for that matter?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 02, 2019, 09:15:01 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on October 02, 2019, 07:49:20 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 02, 2019, 07:32:37 PM
I see adrain sharvin is doing the senior final, I thought he did very well in the kilcoo burren replay

Any word on who's doing the intermediate? Or even Junior for that matter?
.no one named yet for junior or intermediate. Gavin finnegan doin the minors
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Jim Bob on October 03, 2019, 12:30:40 AM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on October 01, 2019, 09:56:06 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 01, 2019, 09:38:54 PM
So kilcoo win the league tonight I see  ,must of Been poor enough game, heavy suspensions coming I heard! Did the referee get a dig?
Yes I heard Mr Rice got a dig from a Clonduff player

Back page of Thursday's  Irish News
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 03, 2019, 08:54:51 AM
Down GAA is in the gutter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 03, 2019, 09:55:32 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 03, 2019, 08:54:51 AM
Down GAA is in the gutter
It's not Down that is in the gutter but the Club concerned.
Who is in charge there?
Barry McGuigan?
They need to take action or they'll be going to the Courts on a more frequent basis after these
last 15months.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Trap on October 03, 2019, 10:34:40 AM
Why did the referee not just walk off the pitch? how did he decide to play on?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 03, 2019, 05:53:40 PM
Two despicable deeds over the last week. A young player goading his opponent over his dead mother and another player assaulting a referee because the same referee had abused him from the other side of the fence in a recent game. Lads, where the hell are we going in Down football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 03, 2019, 07:53:49 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 03, 2019, 05:53:40 PM
Two despicable deeds over the last week. A young player goading his opponent over his dead mother and another player assaulting a referee because the same referee had abused him from the other side of the fence in a recent game. Lads, where the hell are we going in Down football?

Lotto, where do you get your info? Surely a referee, quite a seasoned one too, would not abuse a player over the wire - Especially when he knows he will be on a pitch with him at some point. As hard to believe as the tooth fairy. Just don't see this as having any merit. What it does is try to soften the act.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 03, 2019, 08:23:37 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 03, 2019, 07:53:49 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 03, 2019, 05:53:40 PM
Two despicable deeds over the last week. A young player goading his opponent over his dead mother and another player assaulting a referee because the same referee had abused him from the other side of the fence in a recent game. Lads, where the hell are we going in Down football?

Lotto, where do you get your info? Surely a referee, quite a seasoned one too, would not abuse a player over the wire - Especially when he knows he will be on a pitch with him at some point. As hard to believe as the tooth fairy. Just don't see this as having any merit. What it does is try to soften the act.
from what I hear the faloon  brothers where doing a lot of slabbering at the kilcoo and Clonduff game on Saturday night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 03, 2019, 09:40:56 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 03, 2019, 07:53:49 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 03, 2019, 05:53:40 PM
Two despicable deeds over the last week. A young player goading his opponent over his dead mother and another player assaulting a referee because the same referee had abused him from the other side of the fence in a recent game. Lads, where the hell are we going in Down football?

Lotto, where do you get your info? Surely a referee, quite a seasoned one too, would not abuse a player over the wire - Especially when he knows he will be on a pitch with him at some point. As hard to believe as the tooth fairy. Just don't see this as having any merit. What it does is try to soften the act.

Why would I try to soften the act of hitting a referee, this is never acceptable behaviour in anyone's book no matter what the provocation. This seasoned referee apparently shouted abuse over the fence during a recent game at the guy who is supposed to have struck him, believe it or believe it not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 03, 2019, 09:43:45 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 03, 2019, 08:23:37 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 03, 2019, 07:53:49 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 03, 2019, 05:53:40 PM
Two despicable deeds over the last week. A young player goading his opponent over his dead mother and another player assaulting a referee because the same referee had abused him from the other side of the fence in a recent game. Lads, where the hell are we going in Down football?

Lotto, where do you get your info? Surely a referee, quite a seasoned one too, would not abuse a player over the wire - Especially when he knows he will be on a pitch with him at some point. As hard to believe as the tooth fairy. Just don't see this as having any merit. What it does is try to soften the act.
from what I hear the faloon  brothers where doing a lot of slabbering at the kilcoo and Clonduff game on Saturday night

Paul Faloon is one of the quietest men you would meet and I find this very hard to believe, his brother is a different story.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 03, 2019, 10:06:32 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 03, 2019, 09:43:45 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 03, 2019, 08:23:37 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 03, 2019, 07:53:49 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 03, 2019, 05:53:40 PM
Two despicable deeds over the last week. A young player goading his opponent over his dead mother and another player assaulting a referee because the same referee had abused him from the other side of the fence in a recent game. Lads, where the hell are we going in Down football?

Lotto, where do you get your info? Surely a referee, quite a seasoned one too, would not abuse a player over the wire - Especially when he knows he will be on a pitch with him at some point. As hard to believe as the tooth fairy. Just don't see this as having any merit. What it does is try to soften the act.
from what I hear the faloon  brothers where doing a lot of slabbering at the kilcoo and Clonduff game on Saturday night

Paul Faloon is one of the quietest men you would meet and I find this very hard to believe, his brother is a different story.
apparently Paul was unhappy with the ref and his brother was giving a few of the kilcoo players abuse. What club do they come from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 03, 2019, 10:17:02 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 03, 2019, 10:06:32 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 03, 2019, 09:43:45 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 03, 2019, 08:23:37 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 03, 2019, 07:53:49 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 03, 2019, 05:53:40 PM
Two despicable deeds over the last week. A young player goading his opponent over his dead mother and another player assaulting a referee because the same referee had abused him from the other side of the fence in a recent game. Lads, where the hell are we going in Down football?

Lotto, where do you get your info? Surely a referee, quite a seasoned one too, would not abuse a player over the wire - Especially when he knows he will be on a pitch with him at some point. As hard to believe as the tooth fairy. Just don't see this as having any merit. What it does is try to soften the act.
from what I hear the faloon  brothers where doing a lot of slabbering at the kilcoo and Clonduff game on Saturday night

Paul Faloon is one of the quietest men you would meet and I find this very hard to believe, his brother is a different story.
apparently Paul was unhappy with the ref and his brother was giving a few of the kilcoo players abuse. What club do they come from?

You said they were doing alot of slabbering.  Now there is a long way between being unhappy at a referees performance and slabbering about it, Paul no and Kevin yes. Compare that with Rice who shouts and roars at all who will listen to him, sitting in the same place in the stand every game. Clubs for the Faloons, no ideas and Kevin refs more in Armagh than Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 03, 2019, 11:32:50 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 03, 2019, 09:40:56 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 03, 2019, 07:53:49 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 03, 2019, 05:53:40 PM
Two despicable deeds over the last week. A young player goading his opponent over his dead mother and another player assaulting a referee because the same referee had abused him from the other side of the fence in a recent game. Lads, where the hell are we going in Down football?

Lotto, where do you get your info? Surely a referee, quite a seasoned one too, would not abuse a player over the wire - Especially when he knows he will be on a pitch with him at some point. As hard to believe as the tooth fairy. Just don't see this as having any merit. What it does is try to soften the act.

Why would I try to soften the act of hitting a referee, this is never acceptable behaviour in anyone's book no matter what the provocation. This seasoned referee apparently shouted abuse over the fence during a recent game at the guy who is supposed to have struck him, believe it or believe it not.

Told same this evening Lotto, Rice apparently shouting abuse over the wire at the Clonduff player in previous game. He's a mouth piece but hitting a ref is madness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 04, 2019, 12:04:41 AM
No harm to you lads but you are out of order by putting anything about Rice shouting something in a previous game in the same context as him being hit. For one, is it even true! I dont doubt he would shout at a match if he was a supporter, as we all do, but I have heard that there is absolutely no truth in it in this instance. Worse than that though is it is in some way justifying the actions of the Clonduff player.  You may think your not doing that but by providing some sort of 'reason' that's exactly what you are doing.
It is an absolute disgrace and the player should get a significant ban from both the co board and Clonduff.  There is no justification for what was an unprovoked attack. Bear in mind this was a player who was in the midst of being sent off for another strike, this time on his opponent.
It is the player who has to answer for his actions here and not the referee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 04, 2019, 01:11:00 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on October 04, 2019, 12:04:41 AM
No harm to you lads but you are out of order by putting anything about Rice shouting something in a previous game in the same context as him being hit. For one, is it even true! I dont doubt he would shout at a match if he was a supporter, as we all do, but I have heard that there is absolutely no truth in it in this instance. Worse than that though is it is in some way justifying the actions of the Clonduff player.  You may think your not doing that but by providing some sort of 'reason' that's exactly what you are doing.
It is an absolute disgrace and the player should get a significant ban from both the co board and Clonduff.  There is no justification for what was an unprovoked attack. Bear in mind this was a player who was in the midst of being sent off for another strike, this time on his opponent.
It is the player who has to answer for his actions here and not the referee.
Unacceptable, and the club should also be sanctioned
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 04, 2019, 09:16:41 AM
A lot to peoples names being thrown about and being abused on here.
So that makes it different from abuse on the field or behind the fence?
Sorry, its all anonymous on here so its ok.............. carry on.........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on October 04, 2019, 10:31:29 AM
Quote from: Golden Eye on October 03, 2019, 11:13:16 PM
Looking at the ladies underage finals and Francis rogan being the 4 eyed **** that he is giving all the finals to east down referees again, no surprise there! His own we click of people while the other do the last minute games and fevers and lads who are on the national panel and Ulster can't even get a final in down and you have the like of the female twin of Jackie Quinn, helen rice refereeing u16 B final!

5 finals appointed so far 4 of them are east down!
U14 A Final Eugene O'hare 
U14 b final Colin Murray
U14 c final Peter Brannigan
U14 d final Dominic kearns

U16 b final Helen rice

And the down LGFA are about bringing the youth into refereeing and all these referees are over 45!

Goldeneye

You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

Francis Rogan appoints referees and he tries to spread his finals out and treats the referees with a bit of respect unlike the mens county board

Goldeneye I think if you go and look back at the appointments that Francis Rogan made this year then you will find that the Ladies Intermediate Championship Final and the Junior Championship Final were both refereed by South Down referees and the linesmen for the three adult championship finals at least one of them were South Down officials.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Golden Eye on October 04, 2019, 03:33:16 PM
I'm not on about senior football, how is young referees meant to progress when they don't get underage finals? At least the men's board are pushing the younger lads on!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on October 04, 2019, 11:15:07 PM
Disgrace the other night and surprise surprise what clubs are involved.

Trouble seems to follow.

This year we have had the horrible sledging in minor and senior games ,throwing balls on the pitch , rows in minor games,reluctance to use the GAA's own disciplinary process, paying mercenaries, fighting in the stands, Sunday October 13th will be the final end to this traumatic period in Down Football. Last year we had the great Burren this year the peoples favourite.

But on the football field we have The Point the peoples favourite about to win the championship ! A team that can play football in an exciting way. If given the proper protection from all the officials no doubt they will win.Barney has put together a formidable outfit and from what I had heard Point were pushing for referees and linesmen from outside the county. With influence at the highest level it nearly happened only for last minute intervention from a very influential man.
The Point by 7.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 04, 2019, 11:25:46 PM
Quote from: yewtree on October 04, 2019, 11:15:07 PM
Disgrace the other night and surprise surprise what clubs are involved.

Trouble seems to follow.

This year we have had the horrible sledging in minor and senior games ,throwing balls on the pitch , rows in minor games,reluctance to use the GAA's own disciplinary process, paying mercenaries, fighting in the stands, Sunday October 13th will be the final end to this traumatic period in Down Football. Last year we had the great Burren this year the peoples favourite.

But on the football field we have The Point the peoples favourite about to win the championship ! A team that can play football in an exciting way. If given the proper protection from all the officials no doubt they will win.Barney has put together a formidable outfit and from what I had heard Point were pushing for referees and linesmen from outside the county. With influence at the highest level it nearly happened only for last minute intervention from a very influential man.
The Point by 7.
Jesus... blinkers on or what. Did a point supporter not  enter the field against kilcoo in the league and threw punches? Quite happy to be corrected on that if not true. Glass houses and all that.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 04, 2019, 11:48:40 PM
Said it before and say it again. Yewtree is a Burren person and does nothing but talk about other clubs...😕

Last caress I was at the CPN Kilcoo game you're referring to and that did happen. What I will say is that Kilcoo players (two of the 5/6 incidents caught on video) were Judas pinching point players throughout. Not going to name players on this forum as it's not appropriate to do so, but the usual suspects at it for kilcoo the whole night. That being said the supporter who jumped the wire was way out of line too tbf. Think there's been a history of rows between those two teams and Kilcoo supporters and bench flooded the field last year when they went to Moygannon on two separate occasions. Not sticking up for either club btw but main point was that Yewtree is from Burren😂😂This is from a mourne man living in exile in the point!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 05, 2019, 07:14:32 AM
Yewtree agree with officials  from outside the county 100%, point are a very good footballing team easy on the eye, hope it's a good game,kilcoo I think will stumble over the line in this 1 I think,kilcoos know how to win big games when things aren't going to plan and sheer dertimation work rate will be a massive plus on their side ,as will their champions fixtures stand by them 2 tough games against burren,point haven't really got tested yet,will the big occasion get to them? Has Boyle got soccer the day of final or day before? Massive player and point will need every one firing on all cylinders  ,they haven't a great bench , kilcoo need big big improvements in devlin rooney Johnstons young mcevoy and ward ,🤔 can moran get clean sweep in first season? Some season for him/them if they do ,anyway kilcoo by 5 pulling up, 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 05, 2019, 09:08:54 AM
Stumble over the line
Pull up at the end
Which one is it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 05, 2019, 03:25:49 PM
Smurfy,kilcoo wont be firing on all cylinders ,eg missing goal chances  , to many frees conceded ,and missed, but basically they wont need to be at best to beat this point team, 😉 that clear enough for you??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on October 05, 2019, 06:59:35 PM
Smurf , Yewtree and the rest of you begrudges , Kilcoo will win, McGarry won't have such an influence in final, rest of point attack is not as effective, Kilcoo by 4and no fighting on or of the pitch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 05, 2019, 07:14:48 PM
Cab the point still be in relegation after being beaten today??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 05, 2019, 08:44:10 PM
seen on Castlewellans Twitter updates that a Warrenpoint player was stretched off. Bad luck with championship final coming up next week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 05, 2019, 09:13:11 PM
We rested the whole team today. No we can't go down. By the looks of it may be between Bryansford Ballyholland for a playoff with Castlewellan or Downpatrick definitely in a playoff with one of those going down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on October 05, 2019, 11:38:17 PM
Not much talk of minor final between Burren and Kilcoo , Kilcoo should walk it going by 2 years ago u16 but feel the mighty Burren have progressed more.
In fairness some special talents in Burren , they just have a habit of producing serious players .
Will be a delight to watch them beat Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 06, 2019, 12:28:02 AM
Quote from: yewtree on October 05, 2019, 11:38:17 PM
Not much talk of minor final between Burren and Kilcoo , Kilcoo should walk it going by 2 years ago u16 but feel the mighty Burren have progressed more.
In fairness some special talents in Burren , they just have a habit of producing serious players .
Will be a delight to watch them beat Kilcoo.

Would that be talk or walk? The shit they did to Mayobridge in the semi final was as low as I have ever heard. The players and management should hang their heads in shame. I hope Burren give them a lesson but I can't see it. It will be a title won by Kilcoo in shame.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 06, 2019, 09:55:20 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on October 05, 2019, 06:59:35 PM
Smurf , Yewtree and the rest of you begrudges , Kilcoo will win, McGarry won't have such an influence in final, rest of point attack is not as effective, Kilcoo by 4and no fighting on or of the pitch
Personally I think it will be great when CPN win instead of the usuals Burren or Kilcoo. They are far from a one man team, man for man they are superior to Kilcoo they just need to believe and not get sucked into any unsportsmanlike tactics Kilcoo consistently deploy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2019, 10:25:10 AM
Kilcoo have not been good champions at any level. Always something that puts a dark cloud over all teams and that's why and it pains me to say it Burren win today. Burren are a great club who respect all teams. Kilcoos minor championship team has been somewhat massively turnised with some disgraceful stuff on route to the final. I wonder who they take after
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 06, 2019, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2019, 10:25:10 AM
Kilcoo have not been good champions at any level. Always something that puts a dark cloud over all teams and that's why and it pains me to say it Burren win today. Burren are a great club who respect all teams. Kilcoos minor championship team has been somewhat massively turnised with some disgraceful stuff on route to the final. I wonder who they take after
unfortunately sledging is part of the game now ,at every level,we even seen it in the all ireland ,was the kilcoo players sledging for no reason?did the bridge players  not say or do anything  to kilcoo players? I think not! Anyway it's the same old cliche # don't give what you cant take back🤔
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 06, 2019, 12:55:21 PM
Are you condoning slagging a dead parent?? There is no place in GAA for that, absolutely none, there is nothing else to say on this matter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rory on October 06, 2019, 01:27:28 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 06, 2019, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2019, 10:25:10 AM
Kilcoo have not been good champions at any level. Always something that puts a dark cloud over all teams and that's why and it pains me to say it Burren win today. Burren are a great club who respect all teams. Kilcoos minor championship team has been somewhat massively turnised with some disgraceful stuff on route to the final. I wonder who they take after
unfortunately sledging is part of the game now ,at every level,we even seen it in the all ireland ,was the kilcoo players sledging for no reason?did the bridge players  not say or do anything  to kilcoo players? I think not! Anyway it's the same old cliche # don't give what you cant take back🤔
Are you implying that the Bridge lads said something as bad to the Kilcoo lads?  A really hope you're not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 06, 2019, 02:55:03 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 06, 2019, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2019, 10:25:10 AM
Kilcoo have not been good champions at any level. Always something that puts a dark cloud over all teams and that's why and it pains me to say it Burren win today. Burren are a great club who respect all teams. Kilcoos minor championship team has been somewhat massively turnised with some disgraceful stuff on route to the final. I wonder who they take after
unfortunately sledging is part of the game now ,at every level,we even seen it in the all ireland ,was the kilcoo players sledging for no reason?did the bridge players  not say or do anything  to kilcoo players? I think not! Anyway it's the same old cliche # don't give what you cant take back🤔

And that Chumpion says more about you as a person than anything. Catch yourself on. There is no defending the context of what was said. If you think it's acceptable then you should go back to the gutter along with those that said or put the words in his mouth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on October 06, 2019, 04:55:08 PM
Some absolute bull being talked on this thread. The Kilcoo lad was wrong and it can not be condoned in any way, rightly so he played no part in today's final. But if anyone thinks this is a problem only associated with Kilcoo they are deluded! It is widespread in the game and needs to be addressed centrally. Happens in every club and county going back to the infamous ricey from Tyrone and further back. My own daughter at underage level has been the victim of sledging ffs!
On the game today, it was a good game and a draw was the fair result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 06, 2019, 05:56:41 PM
😂 @ forevergreen, I'd love 2 minutes with you😁
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 06, 2019, 06:39:07 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 06, 2019, 05:56:41 PM
😂 @ forevergreen, I'd love 2 minutes with you😁
I bet you say that to all the boys. You charmer!!😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on October 06, 2019, 07:33:07 PM
Really enjoyed the junior final today, congrats to Bright, enjoy your success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 06, 2019, 09:14:53 PM
Congratulations to bright on winning the junior championship. The minors was a tight game and draw probably a fair result
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2019, 09:21:28 PM
Castlewellan down
Bryansford in playoff. Yep once big clubs. What is it with Bryansford as an underachieving club at senior level? A few great under 21 teams of late and nothing at senior level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 06, 2019, 09:36:59 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2019, 10:25:10 AM
Kilcoo have not been good champions at any level. Always something that puts a dark cloud over all teams and that's why and it pains me to say it Burren win today. Burren are a great club who respect all teams. Kilcoos minor championship team has been somewhat massively turnised with some disgraceful stuff on route to the final. I wonder who they take after
sweet holy f**k. Change this forum from Down Club Hurling and Football to ANY ONE BUT KILCOO. We know they are no angels but they are far from the only ones.  Burren respect all teams...... jesus I would rather listen to Arlene Foster talk shite than read this shite. All the same at the end of the day. Just shite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on October 06, 2019, 10:13:56 PM
Yet again Kilcoo get out of jail ,this time in the minors.A team that hammered everybody in Down at u16 level struggled to beat Burren .Yes Burren got the equaliser but really Burren were the far better team.

Looks like the glory years for Burren are coming ,the amazing thing is that Burren team bar a few is an under 16 team -scary to think how far ahead Burren are in terms of player development and coaching. When you look back at the Kilcoo games in senior Burren were the better team over the two games.

From a Down perspective this can only be good for the county as these Burren players will be the dominant men in our county squads. It seems at last Kilcoo are beginning to fade away and back to where they belong mediocrity and maybe time to reflect on their culture regards discipline and sporting values.
In fairness Burren have values and that is why I'm glad they are returning to greatness even though more delighted Point are about to win senior final.

Minor Champions elect - Burren , a club of sporting class.
Senior Champions elect - CPN ,the peoples favourite.

All ironically from South Down and our County Board are trying to impose Ballykinler on us , it is time the real football men of Down put a stop to this.Maybe time for our sponsors to intervene and have their say on it .I'm sure they wouldn't want it in a back of beyond spot , miles from Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 06, 2019, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: yewtree on October 06, 2019, 10:13:56 PM
Yet again Kilcoo get out of jail ,this time in the minors.A team that hammered everybody in Down at u16 level struggled to beat Burren .Yes Burren got the equaliser but really Burren were the far better team.

Looks like the glory years for Burren are coming ,the amazing thing is that Burren team bar a few is an under 16 team -scary to think how far ahead Burren are in terms of player development and coaching. When you look back at the Kilcoo games in senior Burren were the better team over the two games.

From a Down perspective this can only be good for the county as these Burren players will be the dominant men in our county squads. It seems at last Kilcoo are beginning to fade away and back to where they belong mediocrity and maybe time to reflect on their culture regards discipline and sporting values.
In fairness Burren have values and that is why I'm glad they are returning to greatness even though more delighted Point are about to win senior final.

Minor Champions elect - Burren , a club of sporting class.
Senior Champions elect - CPN ,the peoples favourite.

All ironically from South Down and our County Board are trying to impose Ballykinler on us , it is time the real football men of Down put a stop to this.Maybe time for our sponsors to intervene and have their say on it .I'm sure they wouldn't want it in a back of beyond spot , miles from Newry.
well said. Yewtree Guevara . Revolution....and we know how it ended for him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on October 07, 2019, 05:42:09 AM
Once again Yewtree you have shown what an insignificant a hole you really are, you obviously write controversial items on this forum to get people's blood boiling.Did you ever play football at any level? Did you ever achieve anything ?Do you go to matches apart from Warrenpoint Town and Liverpool FC, nobody needs a job like you , be you Burren or Point supporter coming on a slagging of other teams in a disrespectful way, your a south down clown who gives south down football supporters a bad name, calling for sponsors to step in, tell everyone what you have done for down football be it in a playing , coaching,financial or administrative role , the answer will be interesting to read.
Kilcoo will win the SFC,and whilst they won't be everyone's favourite team they deserve respect for their achievements.
Congrats to Bright FC, all the best in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on October 07, 2019, 09:19:48 AM
Congrats to Bright yesterday, a team to keep an eye on.. Also good to see Adrian Sharvin being the man in the middle for the Senior Final, one of the top referees in Ulster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 07, 2019, 09:23:17 AM
Frank Dawson will be snapped up by a division 1 team now, surely too good for Div 2 with the town
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on October 07, 2019, 09:41:24 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on February 13, 2019, 07:30:42 PM
First of all can I explain that I am not from Down but regularly  visit your site to read  the many comments and constructive discussion that takes place and generally enjoy the posts. However, I see unwarranted  comments from one poster constantly criticising others and generally attempting to insult other clubs and individuals. Downjim, to my knowledge your club is a well respected club in GAA circules the length and breadth of Ireland, but your antics reflects on your club whether you like it or not and I'm sure the good people from Burren are embarrassed by your pathetic juvenile behaviour. We are all GAA people and do not need to attempt to insult each other, there are enough begrudgers out there willing to do that to our great association. So please show respect to all in our sport.
Et tu Yewtree (for Burren read Warrenpoint)€
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 07, 2019, 09:58:47 AM
Frank's record has not been bad lately
2 sackings and a relegation
Division 1 clubs who could potentially change manager
Clonduff
Bryansford
Downpatrick
Burren

Division 2
Saval
Darragh Cross
Bredagh
Longstone
Castlewellan
Saul
Liatrom
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on October 07, 2019, 10:44:16 AM
I agree, Frank up there with the top coaches about and knows Down Football more than anyone else.. Potentially taking over Paddy at Burren?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 07, 2019, 11:53:40 AM
No reason at all for us, Bredagh, to change manager after 1 season, were sitting in joint second and can cement 2nd in our final game, we have not finished that high on a hell of a long time. It's a work in progress and Bundy won't be going anywhere 🙏
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 07, 2019, 12:25:50 PM
For anyone sick of seeing yewtree spout BS put him on your ignore list.

Click on profile, hover over Modify Profile, click on Buddies/Ignore List, Then Edit Ignore list and add him in.

Save yourself from reading his nonsense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 07, 2019, 12:55:54 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 07, 2019, 12:25:50 PM
For anyone sick of seeing yewtree spout BS put him on your ignore list.

Click on profile, hover over Modify Profile, click on Buddies/Ignore List, Then Edit Ignore list and add him in.

Save yourself from reading his nonsense.
I like your style Mourne Red
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 07, 2019, 01:05:32 PM
The Town are a massive club to be in div 2, what went wrong??

On subject of managers, what managers are out there? All mercenaries
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 07, 2019, 04:29:45 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 07, 2019, 01:05:32 PM
The Town are a massive club to be in div 2, what went wrong??

On subject of managers, what managers are out there? All mercenaries
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  You lot have had you share of them over the years.Pioneers of it since the late eighties.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 07, 2019, 06:42:22 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 07, 2019, 04:29:45 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 07, 2019, 01:05:32 PM
The Town are a massive club to be in div 2, what went wrong??

On subject of managers, what managers are out there? All mercenaries
[/b]
  You lot have had you share of them over the years.Pioneers of it since the late eighties.

Is McCartan's caravan still kicking around?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 07, 2019, 08:16:05 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 07, 2019, 09:58:47 AM
Frank's record has not been bad lately
2 sackings and a relegation
Division 1 clubs who could potentially change manager
Clonduff
Bryansford
Downpatrick
Burren

Division 2
Saval
Darragh Cross
Bredagh
Longstone
Castlewellan
Saul
Liatrom

I'd have thought Mayobridge rather than Clonduff? I'd also say Longstone, Bredagh and Saul would be fairly happy with their season. Haven't set the world alight but stayed in Division 2.
Is Dawson that good?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 07, 2019, 08:42:57 PM
Saul are on the verge of relegation to division 3.
A poor season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 07, 2019, 09:31:43 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 07, 2019, 12:25:50 PM
For anyone sick of seeing yewtree spout BS put him on your ignore list.

Click on profile, hover over Modify Profile, click on Buddies/Ignore List, Then Edit Ignore list and add him in.

Save yourself from reading his nonsense.

I'd like to nominate you as MVP. Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 08, 2019, 10:08:42 AM
Is it true that Kilcoo appealed the suspension handed out to the minor ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on October 08, 2019, 12:23:51 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 08, 2019, 10:08:42 AM
Is it true that Kilcoo appealed the suspension handed out to the minor ?

That was the story going round on Sunday before the match.

Apparently county board upheld it at 1.30pm just 30 mins before throw in.

Not surprising that they appealed really - player involved was a big miss for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 08, 2019, 12:48:04 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 07, 2019, 08:16:05 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 07, 2019, 09:58:47 AM
Frank’s record has not been bad lately
2 sackings and a relegation
Division 1 clubs who could potentially change manager
Clonduff
Bryansford
Downpatrick
Burren

Division 2
Saval
Darragh Cross
Bredagh
Longstone
Castlewellan
Saul
Liatrom

I’d have thought Mayobridge rather than Clonduff? I’d also say Longstone, Bredagh and Saul would be fairly happy with their season. Haven’t set the world alight but stayed in Division 2.
Is Dawson that good?

Indeed, with a fair few men down from the last Intermediate winning team and a lot of young lads getting their first season of senior football under their belts we have done well.  Hopefully we can finish second in the league.  I'd say we are happy enough with our first season under Bundy and team.  I'd suggest our only disappointment is not holding out in injury time to Carryduff in the Championship and missing out on a QF spot.  But there's potential for improvement and with a few lads back next year hopefully we can push on in the right direction. If we do finish 2nd it's a pity it's only 1 up!

There's also time for Saul to save themselves.  Messy at the bottom!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 08, 2019, 12:49:34 PM
How could the county board suspend any 1 with out a hearing? It wasn't in the referees report about sledging, the kilcoo lad never got a yellow or red card nor his name even taking,  can they do that ? From what I've been told they suspend him on the back of a letter from mayobridge? I also heard his own club tried to suspend him fro  county finals! Any truth in this men?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 08, 2019, 01:03:02 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on October 08, 2019, 12:23:51 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 08, 2019, 10:08:42 AM
Is it true that Kilcoo appealed the suspension handed out to the minor ?

That was the story going round on Sunday before the match.

Apparently county board upheld it at 1.30pm just 30 mins before throw in.

Not surprising that they appealed really - player involved was a big miss for them.

Would him being a big miss justify them appealing it saying as they sincerely apologised over the issue !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 08, 2019, 01:21:33 PM
These boys are minors, they need to be taught correctly. If you are wrong accept the responsibility and move on.
Appealing is wrong on Kilcoo's behalf and I know a lot of Kilcoo people are not happy about the appeal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on October 08, 2019, 01:30:43 PM
The minor who I understand is genuinely remorseful for what he said, was suspended from the County final by Kilcoo Committee.
The County board then took it off Kilcoo's hands and passed an 8 week suspension.
I understand Kilcoo were appealing that decision.
He was never going to play in Sunday's final even if the 8 week suspension had been overturned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 08, 2019, 01:34:00 PM
Why appeal the suspension then before the game  ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 08, 2019, 01:56:37 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 08, 2019, 01:34:00 PM
Why appeal the suspension then before the game  ?

Are there other matches after? Ulster Championship for instance.


Besides that - the suspension was imposed based on... the referee's report?
I can only assume it was the referee's report - but if that was the case why was the player not sent off during the game?

If it was not in the referee's report, or was not witnessed/overheard by the referee - then - while in this case the player seems to have admitted guilt and a suspension is indeed in order - down the line we are opening up the disciplinary process to "he said, she said" where clubs/supporters might throw allegations around in an attempt to get players suspended... would be particularly useful if club A were playing club B in the league a few weeks before being scheduled to meet in the Championship.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on October 08, 2019, 02:19:17 PM
Fair play to Kilcoo if they were imposing their own suspension before such an important match.

As far as the Co board getting involved is concerned I guess if there was a complaint and an apology. The apology is an admission of guilt. No one would apologise for an accusation like this if it were not true.

While there are those who may question the Co board for getting involved if it wasn't in the ref's report. Equally, if they didn't do anything and guilt had been admitted they would face criticism.

Given that I think everyone would agree that the verbal abuse was unacceptable I don't think the boards suspension is excessive and will be a lesson to others about this sort of behaviour.

I don't really think there's much more to add - the lad has been suspended and hopefully has learned a lesson - case closed.

And yes there is an Ulster minor championship - starts in December I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 08, 2019, 02:48:51 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on October 08, 2019, 02:19:17 PM
While there are those who may question the Co board for getting involved if it wasn't in the ref's report. Equally, if they didn't do anything and guilt had been admitted they would face criticism.

Given that I think everyone would agree that the verbal abuse was unacceptable I don't think the boards suspension is excessive and will be a lesson to others about this sort of behaviour.

Yeah, the problem is the lesson for some might be to never admit guilt and/or apologise.

While I don't disagree with the ban if its based on official evidence, I do have concern about precedent for future events.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on October 08, 2019, 05:19:10 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on October 08, 2019, 02:48:51 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on October 08, 2019, 02:19:17 PM
While there are those who may question the Co board for getting involved if it wasn't in the ref's report. Equally, if they didn't do anything and guilt had been admitted they would face criticism.

Given that I think everyone would agree that the verbal abuse was unacceptable I don't think the boards suspension is excessive and will be a lesson to others about this sort of behaviour.

Yeah, the problem is the lesson for some might be to never admit guilt and/or apologise.

While I don't disagree with the ban if its based on official evidence, I do have concern about precedent for future events.

It's a dilemma for the CB really, but I don't think they could have sat by and ignored this.

I suppose the obvious comparison is the legal system - while pleading guilty may get you a more lenient sentence it does not exonerate you.

I guess the CB should be more open about their process if that is the case and release a statement to the effect that a suspension of say 12 weeks was applied but reduced to 8 (or whatever it is) due to admission of guilt/ remorse/apology etc.

That would go some way to demonstrating that admitting guilt or apologising will be taken into account.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Silver hill on October 08, 2019, 06:35:49 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on October 08, 2019, 05:19:10 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on October 08, 2019, 02:48:51 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on October 08, 2019, 02:19:17 PM
While there are those who may question the Co board for getting involved if it wasn't in the ref's report. Equally, if they didn't do anything and guilt had been admitted they would face criticism.

Given that I think everyone would agree that the verbal abuse was unacceptable I don't think the boards suspension is excessive and will be a lesson to others about this sort of behaviour.

Yeah, the problem is the lesson for some might be to never admit guilt and/or apologise.

While I don't disagree with the ban if its based on official evidence, I do have concern about precedent for future events.

It's a dilemma for the CB really, but I don't think they could have sat by and ignored this.

I suppose the obvious comparison is the legal system - while pleading guilty may get you a more lenient sentence it does not exonerate you.

I guess the CB should be more open about their process if that is the case and release a statement to the effect that a suspension of say 12 weeks was applied but reduced to 8 (or whatever it is) due to admission of guilt/ remorse/apology etc.

That would go some way to demonstrating that admitting guilt or apologising will be taken into account.

Doesn't really stack up that kilcoo imposed their own ban to then lodge a last minute appeal on the sat night before the final the next day. The only logical reason for that would be to allow the player to play in the game as he would be eligible until appeal was heard. If that was indeed the sequence of events, then fair play to the Down co board for hastily arranging a meeting on the Sunday morning, to hear, and rightly throwing the appeal out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 08, 2019, 08:14:36 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on October 08, 2019, 06:35:49 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on October 08, 2019, 05:19:10 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on October 08, 2019, 02:48:51 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on October 08, 2019, 02:19:17 PM
While there are those who may question the Co board for getting involved if it wasn't in the ref's report. Equally, if they didn't do anything and guilt had been admitted they would face criticism.

Given that I think everyone would agree that the verbal abuse was unacceptable I don't think the boards suspension is excessive and will be a lesson to others about this sort of behaviour.

Yeah, the problem is the lesson for some might be to never admit guilt and/or apologise.

While I don't disagree with the ban if its based on official evidence, I do have concern about precedent for future events.

It's a dilemma for the CB really, but I don't think they could have sat by and ignored this.

I suppose the obvious comparison is the legal system - while pleading guilty may get you a more lenient sentence it does not exonerate you.

I guess the CB should be more open about their process if that is the case and release a statement to the effect that a suspension of say 12 weeks was applied but reduced to 8 (or whatever it is) due to admission of guilt/ remorse/apology etc.

That would go some way to demonstrating that admitting guilt or apologising will be taken into account.

Doesn't really stack up that kilcoo imposed their own ban to then lodge a last minute appeal on the sat night before the final the next day. The only logical reason for that would be to allow the player to play in the game as he would be eligible until appeal was heard. If that was indeed the sequence of events, then fair play to the Down co board for hastily arranging a meeting on the Sunday morning, to hear, and rightly throwing the appeal out.
apparently a bridge member asked for an apology and if they were to get it there would be no more word of it,case closed and move on,  so by all accounts they got what they asked for in an apology and went on to notify the CB, going back on their word ?.I guess you could say🤔,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 08, 2019, 08:23:15 PM
Still wouldn't explain why they would appeal the suspension if they issued an internal suspension.

What would it say about the sincerity of the apology and the internal suspension if they take their appeal to the Ulster council ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 08, 2019, 08:38:33 PM
Appealing the suspension when they had already suspended him?
Kilcoo never suspended the lad and that's a fact.
The lad apologised unreservedly to the lad and the lads family for slagging of the young lads dead mum. The manager also attended that meeting and said he can't understand what got over the young lad and then now appealing it.
Terrible terrible work by the club
Appealing the suspension on what grounds may I ask?
Our lads will be ready for the sledging on Sunday. The sledging young Carr received in ye last game was meant to be disgraceful
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 08, 2019, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 08, 2019, 08:23:15 PM
Still wouldn't explain why they would appeal the suspension if they issued an internal suspension.

What would it say about the sincerity of the apology and the internal suspension if they take their appeal to the Ulster council ?
think missing 2 county finals for an 18 year old is big enough suspension! From what I hear all deals are of the table after bridge went back on their word, lot of kilcoo folk not happy with the way CB handled it, they will get it thrown out in ulster,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 08, 2019, 08:46:25 PM
It's not in the referee report - That's what I'm told. County Board acted from a letter put in and handed a suspension. Kilcoo submitted their appeal at the last, I can only assume to hope the appeal did not take place before the final. This is plausible.

Kilcoo suspending their player and then lodging an appeal - Not plausible. It doesn't make sense. So any crap on here that they condemn the act do not match the action they have taken.

Either way, well done to the CB for swift action. Let's draw a line under this and move on.

Looking forward to Sunday, can we get it streamed again? Too cold to go out 🥶🥶
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 08, 2019, 08:54:03 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 08, 2019, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 08, 2019, 08:23:15 PM
Still wouldn't explain why they would appeal the suspension if they issued an internal suspension.

What would it say about the sincerity of the apology and the internal suspension if they take their appeal to the Ulster council ?
think missing 2 county finals for an 18 year old is big enough suspension! From what I hear all deals are of the table after bridge went back on their word, lot of kilcoo folk not happy with the way CB handled it, they will get it thrown out in ulster,

If they were appealing it on Sunday morning it was their intention to have the lad available for the game that day and not miss any final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 08, 2019, 09:30:24 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 08, 2019, 08:54:03 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 08, 2019, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 08, 2019, 08:23:15 PM
Still wouldn't explain why they would appeal the suspension if they issued an internal suspension.

What would it say about the sincerity of the apology and the internal suspension if they take their appeal to the Ulster council ?
think missing 2 county finals for an 18 year old is big enough suspension! From what I hear all deals are of the table after bridge went back on their word, lot of kilcoo folk not happy with the way CB handled it, they will get it thrown out in ulster,

If they were appealing it on Sunday morning it was their intention to have the lad available for the game that day and not miss any final
yes as far as I've heard they were hoping to have him available last sunday  ,bridge handed letter into county board on Wednesday night/ Thursday morning, hence the appeal on sunday,  3 or 4 committee members from kilcoo tried to suspend the young buck ,but went about it totally the wrong way🤔, will kilcoo lift their game in replay? Missed first half of minor game, who was the burren man escorted from the field of play In last 5 mins? After trying to confront the referee?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 08, 2019, 09:33:51 PM
So Kilcoo suspended him for the final but we're hoping to win the appeal on Sunday for him to play?
Think we all know they did not suspend him
What were they appealing exactly? That the lad did not say it after openly admitting it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 08, 2019, 09:49:37 PM
Smurfy he didn't admit to anything ,that came from bridge fella , if hes suspended from minors can he play for his seniors this weekend? He gets a run out for them doesn't he?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 08, 2019, 09:53:19 PM
Why did he attend the house of the young lad whose dead mother he apparently was sledging?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 08, 2019, 10:02:50 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 08, 2019, 08:46:25 PM
It's not in the referee report - That's what I'm told. County Board acted from a letter put in and handed a suspension.

Either way, well done to the CB for swift action.

Quote from: champion1981 on October 08, 2019, 09:30:24 PMbridge handed letter into county board on Wednesday night/ Thursday morning

Genuinely not sure how to feel about this.

Obviously, given what is clearly known in this case, the suspension is... justified.

But, it opens an awful can of worms for manipulation in the future.


Can any club now send a letter to the County Board and expect disciplinary procedures to be initiated off the back of it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 08, 2019, 10:12:26 PM
I think you would find that a serious incident like that on a pitch to a juvenile has to be reported for safeguarding references. Why would the young fella go to the house if he didn't say it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 08, 2019, 10:29:47 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 08, 2019, 09:30:24 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 08, 2019, 08:54:03 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 08, 2019, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 08, 2019, 08:23:15 PM
Still wouldn't explain why they would appeal the suspension if they issued an internal suspension.

What would it say about the sincerity of the apology and the internal suspension if they take their appeal to the Ulster council ?
think missing 2 county finals for an 18 year old is big enough suspension! From what I hear all deals are of the table after bridge went back on their word, lot of kilcoo folk not happy with the way CB handled it, they will get it thrown out in ulster,

If they were appealing it on Sunday morning it was their intention to have the lad available for the game that day and not miss any final
yes as far as I've heard they were hoping to have him available last sunday  ,bridge handed letter into county board on Wednesday night/ Thursday morning, hence the appeal on sunday,  3 or 4 committee members from kilcoo tried to suspend the young buck ,but went about it totally the wrong way🤔, will kilcoo lift their game in replay? Missed first half of minor game, who was the burren man escorted from the field of play In last 5 mins? After trying to confront the referee?
Sounds like a new headline. Care to expand?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on October 08, 2019, 11:13:44 PM
Issue was a non event , young player was badly injured and a bit of remonstrating with a referee ,basically a non story.

The antics and tackles of some of the opposition on Sunday don't belong in Gaelic. If we get a strong referee Burren will be minor champions.

We have been to several gaelic Feiles in the south and never once have encountered the level of nastiness that we get from East Down. In National League football travelling to Portadown and other places for youth football I never witness it.

County Board have to be applauded for their decisive actions and again have shown strong leadership. This sledging which seems to have become a habit in East Down has no place in GAA football.

I would be keen to see if someone could post a detailed list of East Down disciplinary issues this last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 09, 2019, 08:19:14 AM
Quote from: yewtree on October 08, 2019, 11:13:44 PM
Issue was a non event , young player was badly injured and a bit of remonstrating with a referee ,basically a non story.

The antics and tackles of some of the opposition on Sunday don't belong in Gaelic. If we get a strong referee Burren will be minor champions.

We have been to several gaelic Feiles in the south and never once have encountered the level of nastiness that we get from East Down. In National League football travelling to Portadown and other places for youth football I never witness it.

County Board have to be applauded for their decisive actions and again have shown strong leadership. This sledging which seems to have become a habit in East Down has no place in GAA football.

I would be keen to see if someone could post a detailed list of East Down disciplinary issues this last year.
yes yewtree as expected once a burren man was involved it's no big deal, and the young burren player that was stretchered of walked out of the changing rooms unaided ,🙈 embarrassed much,? You talk about discipline. Did your number 6 senior player and former county star get hit with a month ban for hitting an official? So sort out your own club before you worry about others
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 09, 2019, 08:25:05 AM
Is this the thought process then?

Wake up.
Take a dump.
Think up some shit
Find a way to include East Down among those shite thoughts.
Type it up.
Laugh at self for being so outrageous and witty.
Repeat.


——

This section of the board has been in decline for a decade. But you've made it terminal yewtree. Well done you.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 09, 2019, 08:36:37 AM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 09, 2019, 08:19:14 AM
Quote from: yewtree on October 08, 2019, 11:13:44 PM
Issue was a non event , young player was badly injured and a bit of remonstrating with a referee ,basically a non story.

The antics and tackles of some of the opposition on Sunday don't belong in Gaelic. If we get a strong referee Burren will be minor champions.

We have been to several gaelic Feiles in the south and never once have encountered the level of nastiness that we get from East Down. In National League football travelling to Portadown and other places for youth football I never witness it.

County Board have to be applauded for their decisive actions and again have shown strong leadership. This sledging which seems to have become a habit in East Down has no place in GAA football.

I would be keen to see if someone could post a detailed list of East Down disciplinary issues this last year.
yes yewtree as expected once a burren man was involved it's no big deal, and the young burren player that was stretchered of walked out of the changing rooms unaided ,🙈 embarrassed much,? You talk about discipline. Did your number 6 senior player and former county star get hit with a month ban for hitting an official? So sort out your own club before you worry about others

Who got the ban for hitting an official ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 09, 2019, 09:00:11 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 09, 2019, 08:36:37 AM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 09, 2019, 08:19:14 AM
Quote from: yewtree on October 08, 2019, 11:13:44 PM
Issue was a non event , young player was badly injured and a bit of remonstrating with a referee ,basically a non story.

The antics and tackles of some of the opposition on Sunday don't belong in Gaelic. If we get a strong referee Burren will be minor champions.

We have been to several gaelic Feiles in the south and never once have encountered the level of nastiness that we get from East Down. In National League football travelling to Portadown and other places for youth football I never witness it.

County Board have to be applauded for their decisive actions and again have shown strong leadership. This sledging which seems to have become a habit in East Down has no place in GAA football.

I would be keen to see if someone could post a detailed list of East Down disciplinary issues this last year.
yes yewtree as expected once a burren man was involved it's no big deal, and the young burren player that was stretchered of walked out of the changing rooms unaided ,🙈 embarrassed much,? You talk about discipline. Did your number 6 senior player and former county star get hit with a month ban for hitting an official? So sort out your own club before you worry about others

Who got the ban for hitting an official ?
c McGovern  got handed a 3 month ban for hitting an official ,the official was doing the line, burren got it over ruled as the spelling of his name was incorrectly spelt,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on October 09, 2019, 09:04:17 AM
Fair good draw for an Ulster Championship run in 2020.

Prelim Mon v Cav
Prelim v Antrim
Ferm v Down

Donegal v Tyrone
Armagh v Derry




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on October 09, 2019, 09:21:05 AM
Division 2 team at home to a Div3 team.  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 09, 2019, 09:41:19 AM
Quote from: yewtree on October 08, 2019, 11:13:44 PM
Issue was a non event , young player was badly injured and a bit of remonstrating with a referee ,basically a non story.

The antics and tackles of some of the opposition on Sunday don't belong in Gaelic. If we get a strong referee Burren will be minor champions.

We have been to several gaelic Feiles in the south and never once have encountered the level of nastiness that we get from East Down. In National League football travelling to Portadown and other places for youth football I never witness it.

County Board have to be applauded for their decisive actions and again have shown strong leadership. This sledging which seems to have become a habit in East Down has no place in GAA football.

I would be keen to see if someone could post a detailed list of East Down disciplinary issues this last year.
May I suggest you go back to "that sport" and stop annoying us here.Sh-t happens but your pontificating only makes it worse.P-ick!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 09, 2019, 10:35:26 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 08, 2019, 10:12:26 PM
I think you would find that a serious incident like that on a pitch to a juvenile has to be reported for safeguarding references. Why would the young fella go to the house if he didn't say it?

I've clearly pointed out several times (and specifically have done so) that this case is different from what may come down the line because there has been an admission of guilt.

If there is no admission of guilt, is a letter from a club now enough to start and end disciplinary procedures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 09, 2019, 10:56:16 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 09, 2019, 08:25:05 AM
Is this the thought process then?

Wake up.
Take a dump.
Think up some shit
Find a way to include East Down among those shite thoughts.
Type it up.
Laugh at self for being so outrageous and witty.
Repeat.


——

This section of the board has been in decline for a decade. But you've made it terminal yewtree. Well done you.

Laugh at everyone else for being so stupid as to fall for it and react
Repeat

Should be the last two lines. Anyone taking him/her seriously needs to have a look at themselves
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 09, 2019, 11:20:04 AM
I'd a parent of one of our U14 hurlers approach me after a game about what was said to his son as his opponent was alleged to have said that he was going to rape our players ma.

My take on it at the time was that if the referee didn't hear it and do anything about it then it really would be a case of "he said this - no I didn't" and a waste of time and effort and TBH knowing the (east   ;)   ) Down club involved there was no point mentioning it to them either something the parent knows from his own playing days.


It's very welcome that the county board are taking a stand on this but how will this process pan out in the long run?

Nothing in the referees report it seems.

Mayobridge seem to have been in contact with Kilcoo at some level where the young lad seems to have personally apologised which is very welcome I'd have thought.

Mayobridge send in a letter of complaint to Down CCC

Down CCC I presume have given Kilcoo and the player responsible a right to reply or did they take the personal apology as an admission of guilt?

The appeal being thrown out.

I can understand Down CCC wanting to take a stand on driving this shíte out of Gaelic Games but it looks on the face of it there's a lot of holes in the process that need sorted out for it to be consistent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 09, 2019, 12:14:25 PM
So who do ya's think will win the match on Sunday? Think if it's tight going into last 5 or 10 minutes kilcoo's experience could get them over the line. Warrenpoint are a great team think we are in for a good game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 09, 2019, 01:18:18 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on October 09, 2019, 10:35:26 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 08, 2019, 10:12:26 PM
I think you would find that a serious incident like that on a pitch to a juvenile has to be reported for safeguarding references. Why would the young fella go to the house if he didn’t say it?

I've clearly pointed out several times (and specifically have done so) that this case is different from what may come down the line because there has been an admission of guilt.

If there is no admission of guilt, is a letter from a club now enough to start and end disciplinary procedures?

There was an admission of guilt, CB took action.  If there is no admission of guilt and nothing in referees report then there is no action to take, letter or no letter.

It should be that simple.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 09, 2019, 01:23:07 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 09, 2019, 12:14:25 PM
So who do ya's think will win the match on Sunday? Think if it's tight going into last 5 or 10 minutes kilcoo's experience could get them over the line. Warrenpoint are a great team think we are in for a good game
I'm gonna go with The Point.  Think kilcoo are not the force they have been. If the Point really want it now is the opportunity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 09, 2019, 01:47:58 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 09, 2019, 01:18:18 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on October 09, 2019, 10:35:26 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 08, 2019, 10:12:26 PM
I think you would find that a serious incident like that on a pitch to a juvenile has to be reported for safeguarding references. Why would the young fella go to the house if he didn't say it?

I've clearly pointed out several times (and specifically have done so) that this case is different from what may come down the line because there has been an admission of guilt.

If there is no admission of guilt, is a letter from a club now enough to start and end disciplinary procedures?

There was an admission of guilt, CB took action.  If there is no admission of guilt and nothing in referees report then there is no action to take, letter or no letter.

It should be that simple.

You're probably right but I won't be expecting lads to apologise from now on and I think some level of remorse should be taken into account.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 09, 2019, 02:18:54 PM
Remorse?? How about teaching your members not to say this crap, it's the GAA, we are the Gaa, sledging is for tramps
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on October 09, 2019, 02:48:10 PM
Hearing tragic news today that will shock County Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: paddyjohn on October 09, 2019, 02:56:59 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on October 09, 2019, 02:48:10 PM
Hearing tragic news today that will shock County Down football.

Unreal. RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on October 09, 2019, 03:15:39 PM
Shocking news, Gentleman. RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 09, 2019, 04:04:14 PM
 Eamon Burns Bryansford. RIP.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on October 09, 2019, 04:06:19 PM
Poor Eamon and family.

He scored Down's first point from play in the '91 final. A score that settled us down after an early diet of Carr & Mason frees. It was a real beauty. Running straight at goal he passed it over the bar with no small measure of eloquence.

That and the mini run to the UF he gave us in 2017 are how I will remember him (RIP).

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 09, 2019, 04:34:19 PM
RIP Eamon - taken long before his time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 09, 2019, 04:44:58 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 09, 2019, 02:18:54 PM
Remorse?? How about teaching your members not to say this crap, it's the GAA, we are the Gaa, sledging is for tramps
downjim if that's the case,your club is full of them!! Only caught the 2nd half of minor game sunday past and the  whole way through that half there was a white headed man from burren roaring abuse to referee and young kilcoo players in regards to ruc/PSNI cops,  he should of got a slap in the teeth for the way he was carrying on! Same shit as reported here few weeks back about mr p faloon,calling on the police,  people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, 🤔
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on October 09, 2019, 04:50:47 PM
RIP Eamonn Burns, gentleman of and on the pitch, massive loss to Down GAA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 09, 2019, 05:01:19 PM
RIP EAMON
I had a go at him here on occasions ill not deny but regardless of how I thought of him as manager of Down he was a legend in this county
Rest easy big man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on October 09, 2019, 05:47:12 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 08, 2019, 09:49:37 PM
Smurfy he didn't admit to anything ,that came from bridge fella , if hes suspended from minors can he play for his seniors this weekend? He gets a run out for them doesn't he?

The way I see it is that eventually technology will be forced in. A company has already developed GPS trackers and it wouldn't take much to add wee mics to them. Our society is becoming increasingly sensitive to words and language (not judging good or bad, just saying). So I would see an eventual demand. Then there would be no he said...

Would have been science fiction twenty years ago but now I don't think its so far fetched.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 09, 2019, 06:21:48 PM
RIP Eamon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 09, 2019, 06:26:13 PM
How is anyone even trying to justify the young Kilcoo player sledging a Mayobridge lads dead mum of 4 months. Instead of appealing it Kilcoo should have accepted it and try move on as quick as possible. I see it has now made the Irish news.
Don't thrash talk on the pitch and you won't need to worry. I would rather get a punch than asking how my dead mum is keeping. And only 4 months passed from what I'm lead to believe. No wonder with the man in charge of them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 09, 2019, 06:28:52 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 09, 2019, 04:44:58 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 09, 2019, 02:18:54 PM
Remorse?? How about teaching your members not to say this crap, it's the GAA, we are the Gaa, sledging is for tramps
downjim if that's the case,your club is full of them!! Only caught the 2nd half of minor game sunday past and the  whole way through that half there was a white headed man from burren roaring abuse to referee and young kilcoo players in regards to ruc/PSNI cops,  he should of got a slap in the teeth for the way he was carrying on! Same shit as reported here few weeks back about mr p faloon,calling on the police,  people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, 🤔
Like i said before Downjim will come out of hibernatiion in the run up to the final. If kilcoo win he will disappear until next years championship. If they lose expect him to be keyboard happy. Just like last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 09, 2019, 06:38:13 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 09, 2019, 06:26:13 PM
How is anyone even trying to justify the young Kilcoo player sledging a Mayobridge lads dead mum of 4 months. Instead of appealing it Kilcoo should have accepted it and try move on as quick as possible. I see it has now made the Irish news.
Don't thrash talk on the pitch and you won't need to worry. I would rather get a punch than asking how my dead mum is keeping. And only 4 months passed from what I'm lead to believe. No wonder with the man in charge of them
This forum is making a story for them. Don't need to be a reporter. Just read it here. Subject should be closed. It's been thrashed out enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 09, 2019, 06:38:44 PM
Eamonn Burns was always a leader in Down football. He stood up in '91 and '94 when he was needed and yet again in 2016 when the county couldn't get a manager, he stood up. He was abused from everyone, and in particular on here, when things didn't go our way but he kept coming back. He took us to the Ulster Final in 2017 and I'm sure this gave him great pride, though the result never went our way. He was slated again in 2018 and sadly walked. We don't have enough men like Eamonn Burns who will put their shoulder to the wheel whenever they are needed. RIP Eamonn, you can be proud of your contribution to Down football in so many ways.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on October 09, 2019, 07:02:40 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 09, 2019, 04:44:58 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 09, 2019, 02:18:54 PM
Remorse?? How about teaching your members not to say this crap, it's the GAA, we are the Gaa, sledging is for tramps
downjim if that's the case,your club is full of them!! Only caught the 2nd half of minor game sunday past and the  whole way through that half there was a white headed man from burren roaring abuse to referee and young kilcoo players in regards to ruc/PSNI cops,  he should of got a slap in the teeth for the way he was carrying on! Same shit as reported here few weeks back about mr p faloon,calling on the police,  people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, 🤔


Now even the dogs on the street know that certain clubs from the East have a name for sledging.
The County Board as we have become used to over recent times again acted with leadership. Why would Kilcoo even dare to appeal it ?

We as a county need to expect our clubs to act with decency and if not thankfully we have a strong County Board to intervene.

Burren minors had to put up with serious abuse on Sunday and even before the game the usual verbal abuse was in full flow. In fairness the Burren management acted with sheer class as we have come to expect and leading a serious talented sporting bunch.

Seems time spent avoiding justice is a habit in some parts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 09, 2019, 07:22:36 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 09, 2019, 06:38:44 PM
Eamonn Burns was always a leader in Down football. He stood up in '91 and '94 when he was needed and yet again in 2016 when the county couldn't get a manager, he stood up. He was abused from everyone, and in particular on here, when things didn't go our way but he kept coming back. He took us to the Ulster Final in 2017 and I'm sure this gave him great pride, though the result never went our way. He was slated again in 2018 and sadly walked. We don't have enough men like Eamonn Burns who will put their shoulder to the wheel whenever they are needed. RIP Eamonn, you can be proud of your contribution to Down football in so many ways.

Well said Lotto. As you said Eamon stepped in for a number of years to manage the county during a time when some of the older boys were hanging up the boots and there wasn't much coming through to replace them. And not 1 in the county would have taken them either so for that we should be thankful and thank him for his not insignificant role during the glory years of the early 90's. For me his performances in the All Ireland Final of '91 and '94 Ulster final showed what a classy powerful player he was. Thanks Eamon for the memories...A gentleman and great GAA man. RIP Eamon. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on October 09, 2019, 07:25:08 PM
Eamonn Burns RIP.

Great player, great servant to the GAA, a big loss.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 09, 2019, 07:39:53 PM
Was lucky enough to see Eamon Burns in his prime winning 2 All Ireland's, a great servant to Down football, R.I P.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thejuice on October 09, 2019, 08:14:12 PM
RIP Eamon

Will be remembered around Meath for being a great player on a great team that put us to the sword. There's a lot of respect for that team here even if ye broke our hearts. Our thoughts and prayers with his family and friends.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 09, 2019, 09:04:54 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 09, 2019, 08:14:12 PM
RIP Eamon

Will be remembered around Meath for being a great player on a great team that put us to the sword. There's a lot of respect for that team here even if ye broke our hearts. Our thoughts and prayers with his family and friends.

This post sums Eamonn up . Great player recognised and respected not only In his own county. RIP.  Tragedy to go so young.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on October 09, 2019, 11:50:44 PM
Quote from: thebar on October 09, 2019, 07:22:36 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 09, 2019, 06:38:44 PM
Eamonn Burns was always a leader in Down football. He stood up in '91 and '94 when he was needed and yet again in 2016 when the county couldn't get a manager, he stood up. He was abused from everyone, and in particular on here, when things didn't go our way but he kept coming back. He took us to the Ulster Final in 2017 and I'm sure this gave him great pride, though the result never went our way. He was slated again in 2018 and sadly walked. We don't have enough men like Eamonn Burns who will put their shoulder to the wheel whenever they are needed. RIP Eamonn, you can be proud of your contribution to Down football in so many ways.

Well said Lotto. As you said Eamon stepped in for a number of years to manage the county during a time when some of the older boys were hanging up the boots and there wasn't much coming through to replace them. And not 1 in the county would have taken them either so for that we should be thankful and thank him for his not insignificant role during the glory years of the early 90's. For me his performances in the All Ireland Final of '91 and '94 Ulster final showed what a classy powerful player he was. Thanks Eamon for the memories...A gentleman and great GAA man. RIP Eamon.

Excellent posts lads, anyone viewing on here to read reactions, just read these and take a moment... RIP  Eamonn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 10, 2019, 01:21:48 PM
Is it true the Point had a press day last week ?  Would this sort of thing normally be done by club teams ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 10, 2019, 01:40:09 PM
A press day- a press week I think. Come on CPN, stay out of papers and concentrate on the football, kilcoo probably laughing at the hype.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 10, 2019, 08:49:57 PM
If they did, good move. All out of the road at the same time. Players can concentrate on a good week's training. Only seems like a media week as the papers are out on different days. Professionally run, a lot like the rest of their club. To be commended. Who cares what Kilcoo think. Enjoy the occasion play the game. Best of luck to both clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 10, 2019, 08:53:39 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 10, 2019, 08:49:57 PM
If they did, good move. All out of the road at the same time. Players can concentrate on a good week's training. Only seems like a media week as the papers are out on different days. Professionally run, a lot like the rest of their club. To be commended. Who cares what Kilcoo think. Enjoy the occasion play the game. Best of luck to both clubs.
It wasn't a press day. Local paper came to big breakfast on Saturday morning. A couple of photos taken. All over in 10 minutes !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on October 11, 2019, 06:45:16 PM
Press day a great positive celebration for the point.

By comparison another club from The East is causing press headlines for all the wrong reasons their antics and unsporting behaviour is tarnishing our great county.

Everybody is talking about friends from youth football are all disgusted and any goodwill the gaelic is getting from grassroots football may be lost if this continues. Today more than ever is there football boys playing gaelic - antics with verbals can lose this goodwill.

Let's hope this period has come to an end and we can have a County Final day without this horrible sideshow , from Ulster Club antics years ago to this please God it ends now.

The peoples favourite The Point have a county's goodwill behind them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 11, 2019, 06:52:37 PM
Quote from: yewtree on October 11, 2019, 06:45:16 PM
Press day a great positive celebration for the point.

By comparison another club from The East is causing press headlines for all the wrong reasons their antics and unsporting behaviour is tarnishing our great county.

Everybody is talking about friends from youth football are all disgusted and any goodwill the gaelic is getting from grassroots football may be lost if this continues. Today more than ever is there football boys playing gaelic - antics with verbals can lose this goodwill.

Let's hope this period has come to an end and we can have a County Final day without this horrible sideshow , from Ulster Club antics years ago to this please God it ends now.

The peoples favourite The Point have a county's goodwill behind them.
😂😂 i would say the club from the east are devastated that neutrals will be cheering on the point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 11, 2019, 10:55:54 PM
😂😂 i would say the club from the east are devastated that neutrals will be cheering on the point
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Why would they???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 11, 2019, 11:23:39 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on October 11, 2019, 10:55:54 PM
😂😂 i would say the club from the east are devastated that neutrals will be cheering on the point

Why would they???
[/quote]sorry I should of said I was being sarcastic 🙄! Kilcoo won't give a f**k who is there supporting the point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 11, 2019, 11:25:58 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 11, 2019, 11:23:39 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on October 11, 2019, 10:55:54 PM
😂😂 i would say the club from the east are devastated that neutrals will be cheering on the point

Why would they???
sorry I should of said I was being sarcastic 🙄! Kilcoo won't give a f**k who is there supporting the point
[/quote]

now that sounds about right 👍
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 12, 2019, 07:48:30 AM
Now Jarlath Burns has commented on kilcooos sledging. No place in the game for that and if he gets in as president he will be stamping it out. Anyword how Kilcoo got on at the ulster council appeals last night? They would have been safer to take the suspension and move on as it has got some bad publicity since Sunday. This has happened before so it's not a one off incident
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 12, 2019, 08:26:30 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 12, 2019, 07:48:30 AM
Now Jarlath Burns has commented on kilcooos sledging. No place in the game for that and if he gets in as president he will be stamping it out. Anyword how Kilcoo got on at the ulster council appeals last night? They would have been safer to take the suspension and move on as it has got some bad publicity since Sunday. This has happened before so it's not a one off incident
is this the same jarlath burns that also says we need to do away with the tri colour and irish national anthem?🤔
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 12, 2019, 08:38:55 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 12, 2019, 07:48:30 AM
Now Jarlath Burns has commented on kilcooos sledging. No place in the game for that and if he gets in as president he will be stamping it out. Anyword how Kilcoo got on at the ulster council appeals last night? They would have been safer to take the suspension and move on as it has got some bad publicity since Sunday. This has happened before so it's not a one off incident
im surprised there is any room in the papers to write about the alleged sledging with the amount of crap the point have in them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 12, 2019, 09:19:04 AM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 12, 2019, 08:26:30 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 12, 2019, 07:48:30 AM
Now Jarlath Burns has commented on kilcooos sledging. No place in the game for that and if he gets in as president he will be stamping it out. Anyword how Kilcoo got on at the ulster council appeals last night? They would have been safer to take the suspension and move on as it has got some bad publicity since Sunday. This has happened before so it's not a one off incident
is this the same jarlath burns that also says we need to do away with the tri colour and irish national anthem?🤔
your correct. It has happened before. All over Ireland. Needs to be addressed. And I think it will. But how can it be policed.

If Burns gets to be President and removes the flag and anthem from the game I bet kilcoo will be to blame for that too😁😁
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 12, 2019, 09:46:05 AM
Sledging is part of the game but to slag a players dead parent of a few months is unacceptable.
Don't you worry about what's in the papers. CPN will win tomorrow. Everyone saying to me at the start of the year that we were not even a top 4 team no sign of them men now.
The blue wave has arrived and not the one that won division 2 last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 12, 2019, 10:41:27 AM
Does anyone actually think Kilcoo are right in appealing the ban ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 12, 2019, 10:56:10 AM
No it was a disgrace they appealed it and any right minded person I talked to said the same, there was a few staunch Kilcoo gaels in that too.
Smurfy I think Kilcoo are ready for you, beating Longstone and Harps in Newry is not really top class opposition. I just think Kilcoo will have too much experience.
Should be an interesting battle no doubt and may the best team win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 12, 2019, 11:21:01 AM
Best of luck to our ladies footballers in their Ulster semi final today and to our senior footballers in the final tomorrow.

#UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on October 12, 2019, 02:36:27 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 06, 2019, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2019, 10:25:10 AM
Kilcoo have not been good champions at any level. Always something that puts a dark cloud over all teams and that's why and it pains me to say it Burren win today. Burren are a great club who respect all teams. Kilcoos minor championship team has been somewhat massively turnised with some disgraceful stuff on route to the final. I wonder who they take after
unfortunately sledging is part of the game now ,at every level,we even seen it in the all ireland ,was the kilcoo players sledging for no reason?did the bridge players  not say or do anything  to kilcoo players? I think not! Anyway it's the same old cliche # don't give what you cant take back🤔
You are every bit as bad as the kilcoo player that said it. You must be some example to your own family.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on October 12, 2019, 02:48:29 PM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on October 12, 2019, 11:21:01 AM
Best of luck to our ladies footballers in their Ulster semi final today and to our senior footballers in the final tomorrow.

#UTM
Hope yous are well beaten, up St. Paul's and CPN!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 12, 2019, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on October 12, 2019, 02:36:27 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 06, 2019, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2019, 10:25:10 AM
Kilcoo have not been good champions at any level. Always something that puts a dark cloud over all teams and that's why and it pains me to say it Burren win today. Burren are a great club who respect all teams. Kilcoos minor championship team has been somewhat massively turnised with some disgraceful stuff on route to the final. I wonder who they take after
unfortunately sledging is part of the game now ,at every level,we even seen it in the all ireland ,was the kilcoo players sledging for no reason?did the bridge players  not say or do anything  to kilcoo players? I think not! Anyway it's the same old cliche # don't give what you cant take back🤔
You are every bit as bad as the kilcoo player that said it. You must be some example to your own family.
climb back under the rock keyboardwarrior, you 🛎end
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 12, 2019, 06:32:17 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on October 12, 2019, 02:48:29 PM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on October 12, 2019, 11:21:01 AM
Best of luck to our ladies footballers in their Ulster semi final today and to our senior footballers in the final tomorrow.

#UTM
Hope yous are well beaten, up St. Paul's and CPN!
[/quote
Is the senior final being streamed ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 12, 2019, 06:48:25 PM
I'm not really bothered who wins, I'm just hoping both teams get to express themselves rather than fall foul of the defensive blockades. Kilcoo will be hard to break down for CPN though so I'll edge with Kilcoo.
Can't see past Glenn in first game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 12, 2019, 07:22:21 PM
Liatroim relegated to division 3
Saul v Saval in the play off to see who else goes down with Tullylish and Liatroim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on October 12, 2019, 07:50:44 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 12, 2019, 08:26:30 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 12, 2019, 07:48:30 AM
Now Jarlath Burns has commented on kilcooos sledging. No place in the game for that and if he gets in as president he will be stamping it out. Anyword how Kilcoo got on at the ulster council appeals last night? They would have been safer to take the suspension and move on as it has got some bad publicity since Sunday. This has happened before so it's not a one off incident
is this the same jarlath burns that also says we need to do away with the tri colour and irish national anthem?🤔

And what would be terribly wrong with that ? Sports association nothing else and time to maker it more welcoming for others. Too many rednecks who want to keep us in the past , maybe they can't wield influence anymore through violence and are trying to keep the GAA back thankfully we are progressives and moving away from this political nonsense.

Tomorrow a progressive town and club with lots of crossover from football to the gaelic can hopefully soon be the symbol of a new GAA as opposed to one redneck club that is firmly rooted in the past.

The peoples favourites can be a real new symbol of sport - the point to win by 7 masterminded yet again by Barney.
Barney's legacy is the Burren great teams (he had a serious impact on all those he coached from Burren) and now his stamp is on the point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 12, 2019, 08:55:50 PM
Yewtree, you're progressively becoming an annoying git. I mean just lay down, enjoy the game tomorrow and don't let the occasion go to your head. This crusade you're on is boring. Seen the Ulster draw for 2020, didn't see either East Down or South Down in first round games. Down was there though #onecounty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 12, 2019, 09:32:35 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 12, 2019, 08:55:50 PM
Yewtree, you're progressively becoming an annoying git. I mean just lay down, enjoy the game tomorrow and don't let the occasion go to your head. This crusade you're on is boring. Seen the Ulster draw for 2020, didn't see either East Down or South Down in first round games. Down was there though #onecounty
;D nice one terrific. Was wondering what colours east and south down wear? How many more divisions in down do we have.  North, west ? What about Up down, Sit Down, Down town? Am I missing any? For the slabbering yewtree is giving about being progressive, he clearly believes in division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on October 13, 2019, 12:39:37 AM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 12, 2019, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on October 12, 2019, 02:36:27 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 06, 2019, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2019, 10:25:10 AM
Kilcoo have not been good champions at any level. Always something that puts a dark cloud over all teams and that's why and it pains me to say it Burren win today. Burren are a great club who respect all teams. Kilcoos minor championship team has been somewhat massively turnised with some disgraceful stuff on route to the final. I wonder who they take after
unfortunately sledging is part of the game now ,at every level,we even seen it in the all ireland ,was the kilcoo players sledging for no reason?did the bridge players  not say or do anything  to kilcoo players? I think not! Anyway it's the same old cliche # don't give what you cant take back🤔
You are every bit as bad as the kilcoo player that said it. You must be some example to your own family.
climb back under the rock keyboardwarrior, you 🛎end
1 down 1 to go, up CPN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 10:05:09 AM
I hope that black and white shower have a wee bit more about them today than they did last week during the minor final when I heard a Mayobridge county official had to be removed from the sideline as the Kilcoo supporters were shouting all sorts of abuse at her. They have turned themselves into a real soccer crew with their antics and the shit they do and say both on and off the pitch. They can't get beaten by enough today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 13, 2019, 10:15:17 AM
Quote from: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 10:05:09 AM
I hope that black and white shower have a wee bit more about them today than they did last week during the minor final when I heard a Mayobridge county official had to be removed from the sideline as the Kilcoo supporters were shouting all sorts of abuse at her. They have turned themselves into a real soccer crew with their antics and the shit they do and say both on and off the pitch. They can't get beaten by enough today.
I'm sure the mayobridge folk will welcome the kilcoo supports and players bus through the village with stone throwing like they do every other year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 13, 2019, 10:24:19 AM
Are the matches being streamed today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 13, 2019, 11:31:59 AM
My prediction is that whichever side loses, thy'll blame the ref
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 11:45:38 AM
Quote from: PTC on October 13, 2019, 10:15:17 AM
Quote from: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 10:05:09 AM
I hope that black and white shower have a wee bit more about them today than they did last week during the minor final when I heard a Mayobridge county official had to be removed from the sideline as the Kilcoo supporters were shouting all sorts of abuse at her. They have turned themselves into a real soccer crew with their antics and the shit they do and say both on and off the pitch. They can't get beaten by enough today.
I'm sure the mayobridge folk will welcome the kilcoo supports and players bus through the village with stone throwing like they do every other year

You see, that is the problem with you Kilcoo people. Big enough to give plenty but hate taking it. Ignore the facts and come back with some other shite. It's like your appeal for the sledging in the minor semi final, the lad admitted it and then had to apologise so what are you appealing against to Down and the Ulster committees?

BTW, are you mid down gael resurrected? Plenty of fist pumping in the crowd today MK
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 13, 2019, 12:01:48 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 11:45:38 AM
Quote from: PTC on October 13, 2019, 10:15:17 AM
Quote from: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 10:05:09 AM
I hope that black and white shower have a wee bit more about them today than they did last week during the minor final when I heard a Mayobridge county official had to be removed from the sideline as the Kilcoo supporters were shouting all sorts of abuse at her. They have turned themselves into a real soccer crew with their antics and the shit they do and say both on and off the pitch. They can't get beaten by enough today.
I'm sure the mayobridge folk will welcome the kilcoo supports and players bus through the village with stone throwing like they do every other year

You see, that is the problem with you Kilcoo people. Big enough to give plenty but hate taking it. Ignore the facts and come back with some other shite. It's like your appeal for the sledging in the minor semi final, the lad admitted it and then had to apologise so what are you appealing against to Down and the Ulster committees?

BTW, are you mid down gael resurrected? Plenty of fist pumping in the crowd today MK
not mid down Gael, not from kilcoo I'm from east down and would rather kilcoo won, I'm just stating the facts about what happens every year kilcoo go through mayobridge. but sure we won't talk about that just slate kilcoo instead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 12:12:37 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 13, 2019, 12:01:48 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 11:45:38 AM
Quote from: PTC on October 13, 2019, 10:15:17 AM
Quote from: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 10:05:09 AM
I hope that black and white shower have a wee bit more about them today than they did last week during the minor final when I heard a Mayobridge county official had to be removed from the sideline as the Kilcoo supporters were shouting all sorts of abuse at her. They have turned themselves into a real soccer crew with their antics and the shit they do and say both on and off the pitch. They can't get beaten by enough today.
I'm sure the mayobridge folk will welcome the kilcoo supports and players bus through the village with stone throwing like they do every other year

You see, that is the problem with you Kilcoo people. Big enough to give plenty but hate taking it. Ignore the facts and come back with some other shite. It's like your appeal for the sledging in the minor semi final, the lad admitted it and then had to apologise so what are you appealing against to Down and the Ulster committees?

BTW, are you mid down gael resurrected? Plenty of fist pumping in the crowd today MK
not mid down Gael, not from kilcoo I'm from east down and would rather kilcoo won, I'm just stating the facts about what happens every year kilcoo go through mayobridge. but sure we won't talk about that just slate kilcoo instead

yes and ignoring the fact that the Kilcoo supporters gave a county board official such abuse that she had to leave the sideline last Sunday. If they have been stoned every year that is totally wrong but I have never heard it mentioned before in all the years of Kilcoo success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 13, 2019, 12:15:36 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 12:12:37 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 13, 2019, 12:01:48 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 11:45:38 AM
Quote from: PTC on October 13, 2019, 10:15:17 AM
Quote from: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 10:05:09 AM
I hope that black and white shower have a wee bit more about them today than they did last week during the minor final when I heard a Mayobridge county official had to be removed from the sideline as the Kilcoo supporters were shouting all sorts of abuse at her. They have turned themselves into a real soccer crew with their antics and the shit they do and say both on and off the pitch. They can't get beaten by enough today.
I'm sure the mayobridge folk will welcome the kilcoo supports and players bus through the village with stone throwing like they do every other year

You see, that is the problem with you Kilcoo people. Big enough to give plenty but hate taking it. Ignore the facts and come back with some other shite. It's like your appeal for the sledging in the minor semi final, the lad admitted it and then had to apologise so what are you appealing against to Down and the Ulster committees?

BTW, are you mid down gael resurrected? Plenty of fist pumping in the crowd today MK
not mid down Gael, not from kilcoo I'm from east down and would rather kilcoo won, I'm just stating the facts about what happens every year kilcoo go through mayobridge. but sure we won't talk about that just slate kilcoo instead

yes and ignoring the fact that the Kilcoo supporters gave a county board official such abuse that she had to leave the sideline last Sunday. If they have been stoned every year that is totally wrong but I have never heard it mentioned before in all the years of Kilcoo success.
cause kilcoo don't go yapping about everything that goes on they just get on with it. There is plenty of mouthing goes on in the stands every club has them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 12:22:20 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 13, 2019, 12:15:36 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 12:12:37 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 13, 2019, 12:01:48 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 11:45:38 AM
Quote from: PTC on October 13, 2019, 10:15:17 AM
Quote from: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 10:05:09 AM
I hope that black and white shower have a wee bit more about them today than they did last week during the minor final when I heard a Mayobridge county official had to be removed from the sideline as the Kilcoo supporters were shouting all sorts of abuse at her. They have turned themselves into a real soccer crew with their antics and the shit they do and say both on and off the pitch. They can't get beaten by enough today.
I'm sure the mayobridge folk will welcome the kilcoo supports and players bus through the village with stone throwing like they do every other year

You see, that is the problem with you Kilcoo people. Big enough to give plenty but hate taking it. Ignore the facts and come back with some other shite. It's like your appeal for the sledging in the minor semi final, the lad admitted it and then had to apologise so what are you appealing against to Down and the Ulster committees?

BTW, are you mid down gael resurrected? Plenty of fist pumping in the crowd today MK
not mid down Gael, not from kilcoo I'm from east down and would rather kilcoo won, I'm just stating the facts about what happens every year kilcoo go through mayobridge. but sure we won't talk about that just slate kilcoo instead

yes and ignoring the fact that the Kilcoo supporters gave a county board official such abuse that she had to leave the sideline last Sunday. If they have been stoned every year that is totally wrong but I have never heard it mentioned before in all the years of Kilcoo success.
cause kilcoo don't go yapping about everything that goes on they just get on with it. There is plenty of mouthing goes on in the stands every club has them

Absolutely, every club has mouths. But when it gets very personal and directed at one individual that's the issue I have.

You seem to know an awful lot about Kilcoo and are backing them constantly for a man not from there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 13, 2019, 12:25:05 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 12:22:20 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 13, 2019, 12:15:36 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 12:12:37 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 13, 2019, 12:01:48 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 11:45:38 AM
Quote from: PTC on October 13, 2019, 10:15:17 AM
Quote from: Lotto on October 13, 2019, 10:05:09 AM
I hope that black and white shower have a wee bit more about them today than they did last week during the minor final when I heard a Mayobridge county official had to be removed from the sideline as the Kilcoo supporters were shouting all sorts of abuse at her. They have turned themselves into a real soccer crew with their antics and the shit they do and say both on and off the pitch. They can't get beaten by enough today.
I'm sure the mayobridge folk will welcome the kilcoo supports and players bus through the village with stone throwing like they do every other year

You see, that is the problem with you Kilcoo people. Big enough to give plenty but hate taking it. Ignore the facts and come back with some other shite. It's like your appeal for the sledging in the minor semi final, the lad admitted it and then had to apologise so what are you appealing against to Down and the Ulster committees?

BTW, are you mid down gael resurrected? Plenty of fist pumping in the crowd today MK
not mid down Gael, not from kilcoo I'm from east down and would rather kilcoo won, I'm just stating the facts about what happens every year kilcoo go through mayobridge. but sure we won't talk about that just slate kilcoo instead

yes and ignoring the fact that the Kilcoo supporters gave a county board official such abuse that she had to leave the sideline last Sunday. If they have been stoned every year that is totally wrong but I have never heard it mentioned before in all the years of Kilcoo success.
cause kilcoo don't go yapping about everything that goes on they just get on with it. There is plenty of mouthing goes on in the stands every club has them

Absolutely, every club has mouths. But when it gets very personal and directed at one individual that's the issue I have.

You seem to know an awful lot about Kilcoo and are backing them constantly for a man not from there.
I'm backing the east down club the way burren and rostrevor and many other south down clubs are backing the point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 13, 2019, 02:25:05 PM
Will there be a stream for today's game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 13, 2019, 03:37:56 PM
No fcuker can be bothered to reply ffs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on October 13, 2019, 03:39:29 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on October 13, 2019, 02:25:05 PM
Will there be a stream for today's game?

https://play.webvideocore.net/popapp.php?l=170967&w=720&h=800&p=4GE35AGFE12D4C4&title=Down+Gaa&bgcolor1=%23ffffff&bgcolor2=%23e0e0e0&hide_playlist&hide_description&hide_live_chat=1&layout=default&is_inversed&theme=light&image&use_html5=1&live_id=9l91qxma5tkw&sel_playlist&sel_multiplaylist&is_responsive=1&is_vertical&one_thumb_per_row&thumbs_size=medium&disable_hash=1&skinAlpha=50&colorBase&colorIcon&colorHighlight=%235cbbf5&fs_popin&start_volume&close_button&player_align=NONE&player_bar=1&auto_play&auto_hide_player_controls=1&chat_position&description_position&playlist_position&allow_fullscreen=1&player_start_volume&widget_height_behavior=0&template_published_fields=-1&fbclid=IwAR1AvsYrPsYXMq7dPlKcBwZMJLWSRbriYvPG0wHm3veWaiqSXmytxUTRjGc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on October 13, 2019, 03:56:50 PM
Good man Ambrose. Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 13, 2019, 04:15:58 PM
Comghairdeas to Glenn.
I'm having problems with the link- anyone else ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 13, 2019, 04:16:44 PM
Should have asked the sponsors to stream this rather than this shambles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 13, 2019, 04:19:28 PM
Stream was working Ok before the game, but offline now; commentators must be talking to themselves now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on October 13, 2019, 04:38:57 PM
Working perfectly now!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on October 13, 2019, 04:59:06 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGxHWnpX0AA_DZd?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

They had said they weren't going to stream today's game as the above screenshot from earlier this afternoon shows.

Decent crowd, poor enough atmosphere 7 points a piece. All to play for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on October 13, 2019, 05:13:13 PM
Point keeper pulled a couple of top notch saves. Kilcoo currently 2 up 8 left
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 13, 2019, 05:33:35 PM
Poor game; Kilcoo a bit fortunate with the goal, tho unfortunate in Daryl Brannigan's black card; showed their usual doggedness to grind out the result. Wpt probably overrated, due to semifinal result, when Ballyholland collapsed. Kilcoo maybe not the force of a few years ago
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on October 13, 2019, 05:42:36 PM
Well well well, the mighty point beaten, over rated, supported by a few muppets , told you Yewtree, show me a good loser and I will show you a loser, quote from some one called Shankly, can't remember the team he managed, and two out of three ain't bad for the east, so leaves you to support the point town and they are going wel!!
Enjoy your night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 13, 2019, 07:04:25 PM
Congrats to kilcoo. Hard luck for the point.

So let the begrudgers on here start their keyboard bull shit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 13, 2019, 07:08:33 PM
Kilcoo are not the force they were but they know how to grind out narrow wins and their experience could still take them a long way in the Ulster championship. While they are as tight as ever at the back and have come up with a mobile midfield, their attack probably relies too heavily on the Johnston brothers. Laverty did set up the crucial goal with a deflected pass, but was otherwise barely involved.

The Point had every chance to at least take it to a replay, but they could do with another couple of scoring forwards to take the pressure off McGarry. They had to score a goal if they were going to edge it and it was unfortunate that their best opportunity went to Mallon at such an early stage.

Murdoch from the Point and Ward of Kilcoo, if he is available, would be worth a run at county level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 13, 2019, 07:19:45 PM
Delighted with the result and to be bringing Frank back to Kilcoo this evening. Commiserations to Warrenpoint in what was a well fought game.

Not bad for a redneck club  ;)

#UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 13, 2019, 08:16:05 PM
Better team won today, point can have no excuses. Team of the decade maybe even the last 25 years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on October 13, 2019, 08:42:24 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 13, 2019, 08:16:05 PM
Better team won today, point can have no excuses. Team of the decade maybe even the last 25 years

Well done to Kilcoo and Glenn today

Kilcoo undoubtedly the team of the decade....as for the last 25 years they have merely matched the Bridge in winning multiple county titles..yet not conquering Ulster -never mind even getting a look at Andy Merrigan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 13, 2019, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: MK on October 13, 2019, 08:42:24 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 13, 2019, 08:16:05 PM
Better team won today, point can have no excuses. Team of the decade maybe even the last 25 years

Well done to Kilcoo and Glenn today

Kilcoo undoubtedly the team of the decade....as for the last 25 years they have merely matched the Bridge in winning multiple county titles..yet not conquering Ulster -never mind even getting a look at Andy Merrigan
when the bridge lost there stranglehold on the down championship they never got it back but kilcoo came straight back with another title some team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on October 13, 2019, 09:11:04 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 13, 2019, 08:55:34 PM
Quote from: MK on October 13, 2019, 08:42:24 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 13, 2019, 08:16:05 PM
Better team won today, point can have no excuses. Team of the decade maybe even the last 25 years

Well done to Kilcoo and Glenn today

Kilcoo undoubtedly the team of the decade....as for the last 25 years they have merely matched the Bridge in winning multiple county titles..yet not conquering Ulster -never mind even getting a look at Andy Merrigan
when the bridge lost there stranglehold on the down championship they never got it back but kilcoo came straight back with another title some team

Yes PTC ,You are correct in both your statements-however you have not addressed the issue that the all conquering Bridge and Kilcoo sides have failed to progress beyond the County.... some team surely...within the County...maybe Micky will deliver-after all is that not what he was employed for?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 13, 2019, 09:13:00 PM
Not as good as the team from a few years ago where I genuinely thought they have a chance in Ulster. This team will not pass the first hurdle.

Congratulations to Glenn, fairly good performance without excelling.

Kilcoo better team. Thought Ward was brilliant. 1-04 between two midfielders.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 13, 2019, 09:13:23 PM
Quote from: yewtree on October 12, 2019, 07:50:44 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 12, 2019, 08:26:30 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 12, 2019, 07:48:30 AM
Now Jarlath Burns has commented on kilcooos sledging. No place in the game for that and if he gets in as president he will be stamping it out. Anyword how Kilcoo got on at the ulster council appeals last night? They would have been safer to take the suspension and move on as it has got some bad publicity since Sunday. This has happened before so it's not a one off incident
is this the same jarlath burns that also says we need to do away with the tri colour and irish national anthem?🤔

And what would be terribly wrong with that ? Sports association nothing else and time to maker it more welcoming for others. Too many rednecks who want to keep us in the past , maybe they can't wield influence anymore through violence and are trying to keep the GAA back thankfully we are progressives and moving away from this political nonsense.

Tomorrow a progressive town and club with lots of crossover from football to the gaelic can hopefully soon be the symbol of a new GAA as opposed to one redneck club that is firmly rooted in the past.

The peoples favourites can be a real new symbol of sport - the point to win by 7 masterminded yet again by Barney.
Barney's legacy is the Burren great teams (he had a serious impact on all those he coached from Burren) and now his stamp is on the point.
Come out come where ever you are...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnny McCumiskey on October 13, 2019, 10:13:16 PM
One simply question how many medals do the Brannigan brothers have between them? Would it be a record for the one family of brothers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 13, 2019, 11:39:21 PM
Aidan, Niall and Aaron probably have eight each, Dabs maybe six and Genie about four. The total for the brothers is therefore around 34 or more although someone from Kilcoo can no doubt give an accurate figure. Is it correct that only Aidan played at senior county level ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 14, 2019, 08:34:30 AM
Niall has played for Down.

The McGovern brothers must have a fair chunk of medals between them but maybe not as much as the brannigans.  However if you asked Aidan and co I'm sure they would swap a couple of their county medals for Ulster and All Ireland ones.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on October 14, 2019, 09:56:00 AM
Congratulations to Kilcoo. Just a bit cuter and dragged us into a poor game. I thought we paid them too much respect and adapted our game, and ultimately it suited them more than us.

The game was there for the taking and I believe having played poorly we played the better football. But frees cost us and Sharvin was fairly soft in awarding some, but no excuses.

Dylan Ward was excellent and Jerome caused us problems too.

Good Luck.to Kilcoo in Ulster.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 14, 2019, 11:54:22 AM
Bit of a damp squib yesterday.
The first game was poor enough fare with Glenn doing their best to throw it away and Shamrocks throwing the kitchen sink at them up until the finish. I was led to believe Glenn had more quality in their side but for long periods they werent showing it, whereas Shamrocks were pluckily going for it but just lacked the same quality across their team. It wasnt until more direct route was taken by both teams that they got any joy (a re-occurring theme for both games). Dont think anyone wouldve begrudged Shamrocks a draw in the end had they managed to nick one more score when only a point in it. Glenn definitely over-played things and were more wasteful n possession and done alot of fartin about. Dont think they will make much impression in Ulster but no doubt theyll be glad with their lot this season. Shamrocks need to build on that and really get a consistency over a season and be playing their football in div 2.

The senior game was a cagey affair for long periods, with both teams going score for score back n forth up until the last 5mins or so. A game was never really allowed to break out with an awful lot of frees being awarded throughout. The ref  seemed to blow for alot of things before the offence actually occurred, he never let things materialise or develop and seemed to take a safe option quickly whistling.

Both teams were very evenly matched and the key match ups were working for both sides with Aaron Brannigan probably keeping John Boyle as quiet as anyone could, even though he was still very influential. Similarly young McCartan had the measure of Laverty and his antics (Ref should be applauded for not buying the bullshit), though he had a key hand in Kilcoos goal. It was a game where a goal would definitely swing the result heavily and it probably proved to be the winning of it for the magpies. They hit a 4min purple patch midway through 2nd half registering 1-2 in quick succession which allowed them the breathing space to hang on in the end and hit Point on the break. They managed the finish to the game the way a seasoned team of winners would be expected to whilst the Point were forced to push on and go for broke.

Kilcoo definitely dont have the same quality of previous teams or potentially their opponents but in games like this its clear that quality alone wont suffice and thats where they seem to eek out results. Theyve integrated a few newish faces that have improved certain areas ie Dylan Ward at Midfield being the obvious one. Point were far too conservative i think and they maybe should sprang big Grant from the bench alot earlier, as the direct route to him in last few minutes was yielding results and Kilcoo generally struggle against big ball-winning target men. Maybe less tiki-taka and a bit more direct play from them could seen them score more. McGarry was well marshalled and didnt have the backup to weigh in with supporting scores, with Mallon's bag out earlier than normal and MacAleenan well marshalled, they struggled for scores. A mention to both keepers for saving the day for their sides with decent saves and generally good distribution. A game where Kilcoo stepped it up for a few mins and made hay whereas Point didnt perform how they could have.

Not a huge amount on view to make Tally think about either with maybe Point goalie, Boyle, Murdock and Magee for Point and maybe Dylan Ward, Aaaron and Daryl Brannigan from Kilcoo looking like county material.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 14, 2019, 02:54:32 PM
Poor game yesterday, ref looked very nervous. Cpn threw it away especially with Donaghs goal chance. Open top bus tour for the bridesmaids in the point later.
In all seriousness though, worse championship in years, standard was terrible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 14, 2019, 06:27:57 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 14, 2019, 02:54:32 PM
Poor game yesterday, ref looked very nervous. Cpn threw it away especially with Donaghs goal chance. Open top bus tour for the bridesmaids in the point later.
In all seriousness though, worse championship in years, standard was terrible.

Thought ref was excellent , the fact that there's not much complaining about him indicates he got most things right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 14, 2019, 06:37:24 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 14, 2019, 02:54:32 PM
Poor game yesterday, ref looked very nervous. Cpn threw it away especially with Donaghs goal chance. Open top bus tour for the bridesmaids in the point later.
In all seriousness though, worse championship in years, standard was terrible.
I also thought the ref did well, don't think the standard is that bad. I watched the Dublin championship on Saturday evening thought it was terrible we just don't see an open game of football these days
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 14, 2019, 07:41:55 PM
Nice post Brick. Did Ward get the MOM?

First game - Glenn just about seen it over the line. Never really got going. Don't think I've seen so many black cards before in one game.

Second game - CPN will be ruing their performance. Struggled to get direct quick ball to inside forwards. But Kilcoo, as I thought, snuffed their danger fairly well. The goal chance for CPN needed to be taken. Ref was good, harsh to criticise that and in fairness neither the crowd or players reacted to his decisions - which is a good indicator.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 14, 2019, 07:48:23 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 14, 2019, 07:41:55 PM
Nice post Brick. Did Ward get the MOM?

First game - Glenn just about seen it over the line. Never really got going. Don't think I've seen so many black cards before in one game.

Second game - CPN will be ruing their performance. Struggled to get direct quick ball to inside forwards. But Kilcoo, as I thought, snuffed their danger fairly well. The goal chance for CPN needed to be taken. Ref was good, harsh to criticise that and in fairness neither the crowd or players reacted to his decisions - which is a good indicator.
Aidan Brannigan picked up MOTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 14, 2019, 07:59:45 PM
Sadly modern football is a game where only 2 or 3 players on each side have the gravitas/presence to be allowed to take risks. Everyone else is there basically not to make mistakes.

It won't fix itself in the short term either. It's almost impossible to blame coaches for doing this, for being able to mould a team into a system, requires dedication and determination to a structure.

—-

Well done to Kilcoo. I'd have preferred the trophy went to Warrenpoint for no other reason than I hate monopolies in sport, but you have to admire the Magpies; they're absolutely relentless and a marvellous club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 14, 2019, 08:00:28 PM
Thanks - Couldn't argue with that either. Thought Ward had a good game too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 14, 2019, 09:29:47 PM
Just seen Ross Mc Garry's miss again on TG4, wasn't a great pass from McAleenan but it should've been a goal, I think the Point will see yesterday as one that got away but fair dues to Kilcoo, but they'll have to step it up if they want to do anything in Ulster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on October 15, 2019, 06:29:06 AM
Yewtree gone missing, just for the record ,  east down teams won division one, two and four, they also won senior and junior championships , not bad for inferior players and supposed low standard of footballers compared to south down.
As I said before stick to your ground ball football , sure there's always next year lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 15, 2019, 09:12:16 AM
Is there any south Down teams in div 4 ffs Burren juniors would walk that league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 15, 2019, 09:22:37 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 15, 2019, 09:12:16 AM
Is there any south Down teams in div 4 ffs Burren juniors would walk that league

Mitchels are bottom of it I think.

Agreed - the junior teams from a few of the big clubs would walk it (and probably Div3 as well).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 15, 2019, 09:58:37 AM
Yeah but let's be fair you either play for your local team, accepting its limitations (player numbers etc) and try to move forward, or you transfer about like in local soccer.   So what's it going to be?  A smaller club winning junior Championship or winning a league should be admired every bit as much as a large club competing at the top table. Not mocked. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 15, 2019, 10:30:54 AM
Quote from: outinfront on October 15, 2019, 09:58:37 AM
Yeah but let's be fair you either play for your local team, accepting its limitations (player numbers etc) and try to move forward, or you transfer about like in local soccer.   So what's it going to be?  A smaller club winning junior Championship or winning a league should be admired every bit as much as a large club competing at the top table. Not mocked.

+1

I'd imagine that the 'feeling' of winning any grade of club county championship at adult level is the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 15, 2019, 12:11:10 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 15, 2019, 09:12:16 AM
Is there any south Down teams in div 4 ffs Burren juniors would walk that league
How do you block these idiots ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 15, 2019, 12:25:39 PM
Wil the l county board let reserve teams into the all county league this season?? I believe it would improve leagues, there are about 3-4 clubs who have resources to have two squads
On a separate note Donagh Mc should get call upto county squad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 15, 2019, 02:32:36 PM
Quote from: outinfront on October 15, 2019, 09:58:37 AM
Yeah but let's be fair you either play for your local team, accepting its limitations (player numbers etc) and try to move forward, or you transfer about like in local soccer.   So what's it going to be?  A smaller club winning junior Championship or winning a league should be admired every bit as much as a large club competing at the top table. Not mocked.

Absolutely.

If we rewind the clock just about 25 years, Kilcoo were in Division 3.

What may be a small club now could be dominating the scene 30 years down the line - a nucleus to build around and a helluva lot of hard work from committed folks and who knows where you'll end up.


I've played in both systems in different counties - ours where the reserves are separate and others where you have reserves from one club fielding against seniors from another - and I don't think that works. Far too easy for the big club to ring the game by dropping fellas down from the senior panel.


So while I said earlier that any reserve team from a big club would walk Div4 - that does not mean we should dismiss the efforts of those in Div4 or should we push the reserves from big clubs into combined leagues. It was just an observation (which in hindsight I probably should have kept to myself).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 15, 2019, 02:41:28 PM
Wee bit of cash helps too..facilities development etc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 15, 2019, 02:52:16 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 15, 2019, 02:41:28 PM
Wee bit of cash helps too..facilities development etc

I played my first ever adult game of hurling in Kilcoo and that was the mid eighties. Their changing rooms were a container back then.

Some progress from then to where they are now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 15, 2019, 02:57:03 PM
Good win for Kilcoo again. Becoming a common theme where they just seem to grind out results. I actually thought both teams were very evenly matched. Both teams created two big goal chances each and Kilcoo were able to take one of them and that little bit of composure was all that separated the teams. If McGarry had scored the fisted chance then the story would've been very different IMO. That being said, no matter which team lost, the other would've gone home ruing massive chances missed.

Thought CPN were forced in to a tentative game plan, all credit to Kilcoo as that's what they are best at. Open game of football would never have suited them and their game plan was carried out to perfection. To a man, they all did their job and hats off to them as county champions again. Warrenpoint proved a lot of people wrong and they weren't there to make up numbers, it's been good to see a fresh team play some attractive football, albeit that wasn't in the final. Kilcoo worthy winners!!


In terms of county additions, McCourt and McMahon look the best two keepers behind Rory Burns currently. I'd also have Patrick Murdock, Cormac McCartan and John Boyle (best player I've seen this year by a long stretch) from Warrenpoint. Daryl and Aaron Brannigan, alongside Dylan Ward maybe the best of the Kilcoo players on Sunday. Paddy Tally won't be overly excited from what he's seen this year I wouldn't think :/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on October 15, 2019, 03:03:26 PM
What constitutes a 'successful' club?

Serious question.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 15, 2019, 03:10:34 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 15, 2019, 03:03:26 PM
What constitutes a 'successful' club?

Serious question.

I used to think it was all about winning competitions.

Now as I age, I think its more about getting kids out of the house, off games-consoles and giving them some kind of healthier lifestyle*, as well as keeping young adults off the drink for a bit.


*as well as instilling teamwork and attitude. One of the best things I ever learned from football; "no pain, no gain".
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 15, 2019, 03:41:00 PM
I'm off today and bored so looking through league tables. 66 games in reserves leagues were conceded this year. That's crazy and participation in football needs to be addressed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 15, 2019, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 15, 2019, 03:41:00 PM
I'm off today and bored so looking through league tables. 66 games in reserves leagues were conceded this year. That's crazy and participation in football needs to be addressed

Participation in sport in general is falling off a cliff.

Rugby, soccer, football (and I assume camogie/hurling too?) - all clubs are suffering - and most have very worrying age profiles as well.

It's a bigger social problem than just Down GAA.  :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 15, 2019, 04:27:57 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 15, 2019, 03:41:00 PM
I'm off today and bored so looking through league tables. 66 games in reserves leagues were conceded this year. That's crazy and participation in football needs to be addressed

Reserves is a problem . Apart from the top clubs, unfortunately it doesn't capture the imagination. Sunday football has become unpopular in most areas because of Saturday / Sunday drinking culture, TV soccer and weekends away.
It's risky playing football Ill prepared , those unable to train hard due to other commitments etc., don't feel prepared or motivated to play on a Sunday . Even The Down over 40s doesn't help as a big squad plays for Down as opposed to their club reserve teams.
IMHO Top Reserve teams going to Div 4 is a non starter for the reasons mentioned by another poster above.
I think playing it on a Tuesday night alternating with minors might improve participation.
Renaming it development team/league. Area based in group stages then all county for graded latter stages , 13 a side options, functional eligibility change ie only those who play less than a half for seniors is expected/allowed to play next reserve game.
It's all about development and participation as opposed to winning the trophy  ie clubs are discouraged from playing active seniors but ensure those getting minimal senior match time are getting loads of football. And finally don't squeeze in reserve games when there are loads of senior and minor games

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on October 15, 2019, 05:16:17 PM
Gutted about the result but would never argue about it. Kilcoo were probably just about one point better from start to finish.

But I do believe the Point have the potential to win a championship. It's a fairly young team, most of them won the U21 championship only 5 years ago.

Year by year the Point have improved. This team has a few more years in them.

But all credit to Kilcoo and I will support them in Ulster, as I would for any of our county champions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 15, 2019, 05:30:55 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 15, 2019, 04:27:57 PM
I think playing it on a Tuesday night alternating with minors might improve participation.

I would have thought a Thursday would be better.

Pros
- might stop first teams training on the Thursday - too much training these days asks an unfair commitment IMO.
- manager should have a good idea of his 15 for Friday's senior game, so can release the subs to the reserve squad for the Thursday game.
- doesn't interfere with weekend

Cons
- travelling distances after work for a game is a balls. But can't really be got around unless you play Sat evening?
- manager of firsts might decree they train anyway and has a squad of 30 training for only ~20 of them to have a chance of matches any week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on October 15, 2019, 06:02:47 PM
PaulD123, agree entirely with you. The Point are in the same position Kilcoo and Mayobridge were in before they won their first championship in the current era. They were knocking on the door for a number of years before they got their first, but when it happened they both pushed on and won a number. The Point can do the same, providing they can hold on to all potential players in their catchment area.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 15, 2019, 06:09:47 PM
For what it's worth I think Saturday evenings have been a major improvement for reserve football. We'd our most consistent turn out for years.

Regular midweek doesn't work as it clashes with minor football, senior training and work. Sundays were too much of a struggle between hangovers, Sunday drinking, family commitments.

But if it was up to me I'd regionalise reserve football, with a first and second division in each board. All County league playoffs would see the top 2 in each board playing against each other semi-final and final. 15 a side where possible in D1, 13 a side in D2 unless both teams agree to 15.

All County championship would remain as is.

Travelling across the county for seconds football is a catch 22 for many clubs; players committing to 4-5 hours and when travelling up, half expecting the opposition not to field, so quite a few players just don't go, in case that happens. That in my lifetime of reserve football is the continual single biggest obstacle to players committing.

——

I'd have no interest in seeing seconds teams entering the ACFL. Kilcoo seconds would gain a lot more from playing Burren seconds and Clonduff seconds, than from bartering the bottom teams in the county for an hour every week. And that's before the cultural change required for lads, mentors and club people not to follow their firsts on a Friday night.

——

Id also regionalise divisions 3 and 4 of the ACFL for similar reasons. Combine all the teams and split them arbitrarily into a D3 Shimna and D3 Bann (doesn't matter what they're called).

Yep it would see a few hannerings  handed out when the 21st "ranked" team in the county meets the 44th. But I would guarantee the teams "ranked" 38-44 would have greater turnout from their less-interested players, if every other Friday evening wasn't a rush to the other end of the county. This can only improve those clubs.

Regionalisation of those leagues almost certainly  would work better on an arbitrary basis rather than along Divisional Board lines i.e. take the two sides farthest from each other and then put the 10-11 clubs closest to them into their divisions. Central teams like Dromara or the Fin might find themselves swapping divisions year on year, but there would be no harm in that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 15, 2019, 06:15:53 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on October 15, 2019, 05:30:55 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 15, 2019, 04:27:57 PM
I think playing it on a Tuesday night alternating with minors might improve participation.

I would have thought a Thursday would be better.

Pros
- might stop first teams training on the Thursday - too much training these days asks an unfair commitment IMO.
- manager should have a good idea of his 15 for Friday's senior game, so can release the subs to the reserve squad for the Thursday game.
- doesn't interfere with weekend

Cons
- travelling distances after work for a game is a balls. But can't really be got around unless you play Sat evening?
- manager of firsts might decree they train anyway and has a squad of 30 training for only ~20 of them to have a chance of matches any week.
The difficulty with Thursday is that fringe players may be asked to play two nights in a row.

On another note , the main reason for reserves struggling and we appear to be seeing more dropout is the rule that only final year minors can play adult football. This has completely hammered small clubs.it was supposedly to avoid burnout but other rules such as starred games takes the pressure of the tiny percentage of players susceptible to burnout , an additional easily policed rule that no player should play more than two games per week would easily avoid burnout. I am not aware of any evidence that introduction to adult club football at 16.5 created significant increased injury risk. In rural areas introducing 16/17 year olds to adult football with big numbers and higher quality training was a mainstay of  player Development . Now these lads only football is ~10 minor games , often in amalgamations which bring their own problems.
If GAA were serious about reducing injury risk and developing young players whilst support their bedrock rural clubs ,the most effective way was to change to 13 a side across the board , and allow physically mature 16/17 year olds to play senior. Soccer is a worldwide professional sport heavily financed and committed to player development, it's also probably a greater injury risk eg head/ankles etc, yet they have no age restriction that I am aware of?
GAA need to be ahead of the game in terms of player retention but it seems to me that there have been negative unintended consequences of recent rule changes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 15, 2019, 06:25:41 PM
Tough loss for us but very proud of the lads. They give it all and are a credit to the club. Great night all the same Sunday and yesterday and very much deserved. We will be back.
Our premier reserve team is poor and shoukd be much better. I think the top 3/4 teams in reserve football would compete high in division 3 and a certain thirds team as well from what I seen.
Saturday evening did not really work and I think Sundays were actually better
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 15, 2019, 08:59:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 15, 2019, 06:25:41 PM
Tough loss for us but very proud of the lads. They give it all and are a credit to the club. Great night all the same Sunday and yesterday and very much deserved. We will be back.
Our premier reserve team is poor and shoukd be much better. I think the top 3/4 teams in reserve football would compete high in division 3 and a certain thirds team as well from what I seen.
Saturday evening did not really work and I think Sundays were actually better

Nothing like celebrating failure.

You missed one of the best opportunities for a county title. Kilcoo were there for the taking but your reluctance to go for the throat cost you. Far too conservative, safe and lacking belief.  You would have thought Barney would have had you in better shape. Burren and Clonduff will also be kicking themselves. They always reckon that in any broth, scum rises to the top.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on October 16, 2019, 12:11:04 AM
Whats wrong with you Lotto?
You're like a wee fella bullied at school and spends his time taking it out on Kilcoo GAC.
There's people you can talk to that help with the kind of issues you have.
Browsing through your posts it would appear you're a little depressed.
I'll help you... Suck it up you poisonous w**ker.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 16, 2019, 08:35:28 AM
Quote from: Lotto on October 15, 2019, 08:59:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 15, 2019, 06:25:41 PM
Tough loss for us but very proud of the lads. They give it all and are a credit to the club. Great night all the same Sunday and yesterday and very much deserved. We will be back.
Our premier reserve team is poor and shoukd be much better. I think the top 3/4 teams in reserve football would compete high in division 3 and a certain thirds team as well from what I seen.
Saturday evening did not really work and I think Sundays were actually better

Nothing like celebrating failure.

You missed one of the best opportunities for a county title. Kilcoo were there for the taking but your reluctance to go for the throat cost you. Far too conservative, safe and lacking belief.  You would have thought Barney would have had you in better shape. Burren and Clonduff will also be kicking themselves. They always reckon that in any broth, scum rises to the top.
Is this the words of a true GAA lover?........... Didn't take long for the Trolling to return
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 16, 2019, 11:50:45 AM
The Premier Reserve League is very competitive with good quality throughout. Yes some kickings occur but that's sport. I see no need to change this.  It's mainly made up from Clubs that have large enough numbers to field 3 teams and/or enough quality players to compete.

For clubs with smaller numbers and no interest in travelling there are the East Down and South Down leagues.  Made up of thirds teams from larger clubs and seconds teams from clubs with less numbers. Reserve champ. would be only time needed to travel too far. 

Honestly what more do people want? If you want to play senior football Div 4 - 1 you have to be willing to make some sacrifices along the way and that can mean travelling, taking some tankings, etc.  Maybe if clubs decide they don't want to do this or can't, then maybe they should be allowed entry to the regional divisions, but this could well result in kilcoo 3rds giving you a  kicking.  So who benefits? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on October 16, 2019, 12:48:26 PM
Reserve football needs to start in February, and have 7 or 8 games played, this will give young players and fringe men the chance to impress senior managers and get into their plans for the start of senior league in April.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 16, 2019, 03:46:58 PM
I think people are overestimating the potential strength of second string teams in the ACFL structure.
Remember that if a seconds' team enters into this structure then their games will be at the same time on a Friday night as their senior game.
Take for example if Kilcoo 1sts were in Division 1 and Kilcoo 2nds were in Division 4. Top 13 rule is applicable.
Say the Kilcoo 1sts manager has an injury list of 4/5 and yet still, as most do, wants to bring a panel of 25-28 to the senior game. That's the guts of 33 -35 players out of commission for the 2nds team for their game.
Not withstanding the 2nds squads' own potential injury list/unavailability. That would probably leave half of a 2nds team made up with 3rds players. Consistently this sort of team may be competitive enough at times in Division 4 but definitely not in Division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 16, 2019, 04:52:21 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 16, 2019, 03:46:58 PM
I think people are overestimating the potential strength of second string teams in the ACFL structure.
Remember that if a seconds' team enters into this structure then their games will be at the same time on a Friday night as their senior game.
Take for example if Kilcoo 1sts were in Division 1 and Kilcoo 2nds were in Division 4. Top 13 rule is applicable.
Say the Kilcoo 1sts manager has an injury list of 4/5 and yet still, as most do, wants to bring a panel of 25-28 to the senior game. That's the guts of 33 -35 players out of commission for the 2nds team for their game.
Not withstanding the 2nds squads' own potential injury list/unavailability. That would probably leave half of a 2nds team made up with 3rds players. Consistently this sort of team may be competitive enough at times in Division 4 but definitely not in Division 3.

Mayobridge are the only one with a 3rds team strong enough for that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 16, 2019, 07:20:48 PM
Not if Linden and Coulter retire!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 18, 2019, 12:11:13 PM
Here lads, let's Sledge at all costs, but don't admit to it, deny deny deny
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 18, 2019, 03:20:48 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 18, 2019, 12:11:13 PM
Here lads, let's Sledge at all costs, but don't admit to it, deny deny deny
BORING......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on October 19, 2019, 01:22:57 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 16, 2019, 03:46:58 PM
I think people are overestimating the potential strength of second string teams in the ACFL structure.
Remember that if a seconds' team enters into this structure then their games will be at the same time on a Friday night as their senior game.
Take for example if Kilcoo 1sts were in Division 1 and Kilcoo 2nds were in Division 4. Top 13 rule is applicable.
Say the Kilcoo 1sts manager has an injury list of 4/5 and yet still, as most do, wants to bring a panel of 25-28 to the senior game. That's the guts of 33 -35 players out of commission for the 2nds team for their game.
Not withstanding the 2nds squads' own potential injury list/unavailability. That would probably leave half of a 2nds team made up with 3rds players. Consistently this sort of team may be competitive enough at times in Division 4 but definitely not in Division 3.
Do you really think a Kilcoo player that the senior manager has told he is on the seconds on a given week wants to travel to St. Paul's in Belfast in division 4 while the senior team is playing the bridge/ burren/ yellas or point? Same for every seconds teams that would be considered for playing in division 4 but in all honesty it wouldn't be fair on them players as it would be more than likely they wouldn't have one single supporter watching them.
Kilcoo burren Mayobridge rostrevor castlewellan and clonduff would be the 6 strongest in terms of panels and should probably play each other in their own league. This would mean minimal travelling and players playing at their level while being challenged weekly. Put these games on a Wednesday leaves weekends free for everyone. Senior teams do most training on Mondays and Wednesday would be the second night where they could do their tactics work etc with the smaller numbers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 19, 2019, 02:02:05 PM
So we create an elite reserve league for these clubs, the rest we will just shove to the side. Sounds like a proper plan. Sign me up.
Every county faces the same battles, teams at different levels. The leagues and teams involved are not the issue. Participation is the issue but there is a lot of work going on at grass roots so hopefully we can benefit from this in a few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 19, 2019, 05:21:50 PM
Any word how the double header went in Castlewellan today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on October 19, 2019, 05:57:40 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 19, 2019, 05:21:50 PM
Any word how the double header went in Castlewellan today
Saul and Bryansford won
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 19, 2019, 06:47:30 PM
Saul beat Saval by 4 after extra time, Bryansford beat RGU by 2 , 2 tough entertaining games on a heavy pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 19, 2019, 06:53:58 PM
Saval have went well back they were in division one last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 19, 2019, 07:06:40 PM
Bright play in the Ulster junior championship championship tomorrow and the team they're playing has just got promoted to Div1 in Cavan, doesn't seem fair, what exactly are the criteria for what championship you're eligible to play in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 19, 2019, 07:19:59 PM
So unless we get to the Ulster final next year were out of Sam ? Disaster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 19, 2019, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on October 19, 2019, 07:19:59 PM
So unless we get to the Ulster final next year were out of Sam ? Disaster
an Ulster final appearance is a possibility next year. Disaster?? Do you honestly feel like we have a chance of winning Sam?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 19, 2019, 08:06:18 PM
Has anyone else in recent memory went from Division 1 to division 3 in back to back seasons?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 19, 2019, 08:08:21 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on October 19, 2019, 08:06:18 PM
Has anyone else in recent memory went from Division 1 to division 3 in back to back seasons?
Think clann na banna may have done that recently but not 100% sure
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on October 19, 2019, 08:40:29 PM
Ballymartin were in division one not so long ago and now find themselves in the third division.Its not that strange as after a year of losing games regularly in division one,you get used to it and once relegated it can affect your next year in the second division.
   On today's games you would have to give great credit to saul and especially their manager.They had one and a half feet in division three at half time,but somehow managed to completely turn the game on it's head and deservedly went on to win.they have a good young team and another year in division two will bring them on massively,albeit in a tighter division where results will be harder to come by.
   RGU started the brighter in the second game but a goal before half time gave bryansford an arguably unfair lead.bryansford shaded it in the second half,thanks to some poor shooting from the downpatrick forwards.the RGU lads could rightly be fairly annoyed with the referee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2019, 09:39:53 PM
Is it a new thing in Down to celebrate a relegation survival? A lot of teams this past few weeks have been celebrating like they won a trophy. Found it very strange that. Let's celebrate being the third worst team in a crap Down league. I have never seen the standard in Down as poor as what's in it now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 19, 2019, 09:56:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2019, 09:39:53 PM
Is it a new thing in Down to celebrate a relegation survival? A lot of teams this past few weeks have been celebrating like they won a trophy. Found it very strange that. Let's celebrate being the third worst team in a crap Down league. I have never seen the standard in Down as poor as what's in it now.
I would think it's a celebration of relief that they haven't gone down. Agree the standard is poor. But that's what we've got. It's a shame. Considering we acknowledged the great 1994 win last week at the club championship final. It will come around again..... but when?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2019, 10:03:09 PM
No it's more than relief
I've seen the words great escape now from 2 teams
The great escape
Move on to go on like it's a trophy in the cabinet. Teams celebrate winning trophy's but now teams celebrate survival. Not sure when it will turn. But it is as bad as it has been for 40 years. Win a match let's post a picture about it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 19, 2019, 10:30:22 PM
Annaclone manager steps down after gaining promotion, strange!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2019, 10:34:26 PM
I think he knows they won't go any further. A very old team with nothing much coming through. I would say that's his thinking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 19, 2019, 10:58:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2019, 10:34:26 PM
I think he knows they won't go any further. A very old team with nothing much coming through. I would say that's his thinking.
Possibly thought they could end up playing Bryansford next year or then again maybe thinking of going forward for the Bryansford managers role
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 20, 2019, 08:03:28 AM
Quote from: PTC on October 19, 2019, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on October 19, 2019, 07:19:59 PM
So unless we get to the Ulster final next year were out of Sam ? Disaster
an Ulster final appearance is a possibility next year. Disaster?? Do you honestly feel like we have a chance of winning Sam?
I think whoever gets promoted from div 3 will not go into the 2nd tier comp once exiting the provincial. But Down getting promoted from Div 3 is a tougher ask than this year's league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 20, 2019, 11:21:00 AM
Division two is the right level for Downpatrick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on October 20, 2019, 12:16:39 PM
Downpatrick
Castlewellan
Bredagh
Longstone
Darragh Cross
An Riocht
Glenn
St Johns
Saul
Annaclone

Div 2 tough next season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 20, 2019, 02:43:57 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2019, 10:03:09 PM
No it's more than relief
I've seen the words great escape now from 2 teams
The great escape
Move on to go on like it's a trophy in the cabinet. Teams celebrate winning trophy's but now teams celebrate survival. Not sure when it will turn. But it is as bad as it has been for 40 years. Win a match let's post a picture about it

Says the club who celebrated coming 3rd in the league last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 20, 2019, 03:24:19 PM
Apres Match is correct to point out what a cut-throat affair D2 is going to be next year. Are we back to two up and two down ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 20, 2019, 04:12:35 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 01, 2019, 11:27:52 AM
Are we not? I really don't know where the argument is here
Semi final of championship
CPN
BURREN
MAYOBRIDGE
KILCOO

League finish
BURREN
MAYOBRIDGE
CPN
KILCOO

What am I missing

Smurfy - Becoming like some of the other bores on here. You seemed to be celebrating winning nothing on that post. Now I'm not slating that, success sometimes isnt a measure of the trophies in the cabinet but the end result of the efforts. Saul for example, I think can be quite happy and rightly celebrate staying in Div2, why shouldn't they. Bryansford, May once have been a team to beat, but tough times come to every club. Again what is success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 20, 2019, 05:20:12 PM
Kilcoo win what was a poor enough minor final, best team won though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on October 20, 2019, 08:22:28 PM
Best team maybe but Kilcoo should be ashamed of themselves for playing the man who was suspended for goading an opponent about his mother who had recently died. Appealing the suspension to Croke Park on a technicality was without justification. A tainted county title
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 20, 2019, 08:40:34 PM
Congrats to kilcoo unbelievable year to go unbeaten in the minors and premier reserves and also win the senior league and championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 20, 2019, 08:56:20 PM
A win at all cost mentality taken too far perhaps.

Is it true Benny is away from the county and Mickey Walsh and Mark Doran are in.  If correct it's nice to see performances being rewarded !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 20, 2019, 09:11:21 PM
I'm not agreeing that they should have appealed it but that's the system and the right to appeal is part of that. It's a regular occurrence that decisions are over turned on a technicality.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on October 20, 2019, 09:19:10 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 20, 2019, 08:40:34 PM
Congrats to kilcoo unbelievable year to go unbeaten in the minors and premier reserves and also win the senior league and championship
Add to that The Ulster League and the club championship seems a little more inviting with the demise of Slaughtneil and their replacement entering these stages for the first time .... in quite a while
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 20, 2019, 09:44:54 PM
Quote from: MK on October 20, 2019, 09:19:10 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 20, 2019, 08:40:34 PM
Congrats to kilcoo unbelievable year to go unbeaten in the minors and premier reserves and also win the senior league and championship
Add to that The Ulster League and the club championship seems a little more inviting with the demise of Slaughtneil and their replacement entering these stages for the first time .... in quite a while
it's been a very successful year for them. Without a doubt . Is there not a ladies football title in there too?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 20, 2019, 10:38:27 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on October 20, 2019, 08:22:28 PM
Best team maybe but Kilcoo should be ashamed of themselves for playing the man who was suspended for goading an opponent about his mother who had recently died. Appealing the suspension to Croke Park on a technicality was without justification. A tainted county title
ashamed of winning? I honestly don't think that the magpies will care, fair played lads enjoys the celebrations!  Best club in down by miles, hope someday our wee club could be half as successful 😉🇮🇪
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on October 21, 2019, 01:50:52 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 20, 2019, 08:56:20 PM
A win at all cost mentality taken too far perhaps.

Is it true Benny is away from the county and Mickey Walsh and Mark Doran are in.  If correct it's nice to see performances being rewarded !!
Benny back with bridge?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 21, 2019, 09:40:31 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 20, 2019, 04:12:35 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 01, 2019, 11:27:52 AM
Are we not? I really don’t know where the argument is here
Semi final of championship
CPN
BURREN
MAYOBRIDGE
KILCOO

League finish
BURREN
MAYOBRIDGE
CPN
KILCOO

What am I missing

Smurfy - Becoming like some of the other bores on here. You seemed to be celebrating winning nothing on that post. Now I’m not slating that, success sometimes isnt a measure of the trophies in the cabinet but the end result of the efforts. Saul for example, I think can be quite happy and rightly celebrate staying in Div2, why shouldn’t they. Bryansford, May once have been a team to beat, but tough times come to every club. Again what is success.

Agree entirely!  If you can't celebrate a massive come back and win after extra time to stay up in a division that you were just promoted to  (Saul) then what can you do.  It's not just the efforts of the one match but the entire season. 


Back to Reserves.  On a few points made - I think reserve players should be able to go support their senior team at matches.  Playing at the same time would put an end to that!

On the elite league point - while I agree participation is ultimately something we need to achieve we shouldn't keep rejigging things just so it makes it easier for some teams.  The premier league is there to encourage competitive games and to improve players, many who are working towards senior squad.  As I already said we have south and east down leagues.  So the less strong teams are hardly being forgotten or  'cast aside'. 

Where the big struggle with participation is is div 4 senior teams.  The likes of Ballykinlar and Killyleagh have dropped away.  How do we help there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 21, 2019, 11:11:19 AM
There was a bad atmosphere in Pairc Esler yesterday with the news that they appealed suspension to Croke Park and got off with a technicality. Apologies are easily said but the saying goes actions speak louder than words.
A magnificent year for Kilcoo but tainted again with bad press. They don't care though and that's fine but there are greater things in life than medals to be taught. Enjoy your gloating because it won't last forever.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 21, 2019, 11:26:01 AM
To be honest I'm not sure many clubs would have reacted any differently to Kilcoo in this situation.

It was a deplorable act.

But then you have to balance this against club factors; namely giving a group of lads - who've been working together since 6 years old - the best possible opportunity to win a minor championship title. That's 30-odd players, 25-odd families, all from a small, tightly knit area, who would likely have been directly affected had Kilcoo not appealed. The role of a club management team, when they get to the closing stages of a championship, is to ensure their club have every chance of winning the trophy.

It's very easy for faceless people to condemn Kilcoo's actions and claim their spot on the holier than thou podium.

But I do believe that if you were to man up and be entirely honest with yourself, about how you would handle this situation should it happen on your watch, you'd take Kilcoo's approach.

By the way I'm not justifying anything. But this incident kind of reflects the wider GAA culture,  of win at all costs.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 21, 2019, 11:35:48 AM
Wobbler I think you are wrong in saying clubs would not act differently, a MFC will be forgotten about in weeks. Things are more important than that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 21, 2019, 11:49:15 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 21, 2019, 11:35:48 AM
Wobbler I think you are wrong in saying clubs would not act differently, a MFC will be forgotten about in weeks. Things are more important than that.

Give me an example of a club that has thrown an important player under a bus, and your point might be valid.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 21, 2019, 11:57:45 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 21, 2019, 11:11:19 AM
There was a bad atmosphere in Pairc Esler yesterday with the news that they appealed suspension to Croke Park and got off with a technicality. Apologies are easily said but the saying goes actions speak louder than words.
A magnificent year for Kilcoo but tainted again with bad press. They don't care though and that's fine but there are greater things in life than medals to be taught. Enjoy your gloating because it won't last forever.
Sounds like a case of sour grapes to me. Read some of your own posts from this time last year. The Master Of Gloating At His Best.

I agree with thewobbler.  Clubs would do the same.
This maybe the opportunity for clubs to get this behaviour stamped out. The negative attention it has gained maybe enough for clubs to stand up and take steps to eradicate the problem. Wishful thinking....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 21, 2019, 12:00:44 PM
This case is different from anything, yes clubs will go to the ends and back to get suspensions cleared as undoubtedly your club know so well. But if clubs are willing to go to extreme lengths to get things lifted then they are condoning actions of the individuals. They will actively say they are condoning the actions but actions speak louder than words. Some people may say it's sour grapes but it's nothing to do with trophies. Good luck to Kilcoo with their success this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 21, 2019, 12:12:36 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 21, 2019, 12:00:44 PM
This case is different from anything, yes clubs will go to the ends and back to get suspensions cleared as undoubtedly your club know so well. But if clubs are willing to go to extreme lengths to get things lifted then they are condoning actions of the individuals. They will actively say they are condoning the actions but actions speak louder than words. Some people may say it's sour grapes but it's nothing to do with trophies. Good luck to Kilcoo with their success this year.
God that must have taken some afford.  On the road to recovery at last.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 21, 2019, 12:15:30 PM
Wobbler whilst I agree with you about clubs doing all to get lads off this is different. For the lad Clarke and Laverty to call to the lads house and apologise and to say it was unacceptable and it should never happen. Kilcoo then apologised and said that stuff is not acceptable and he will be hit with a suspension after an investigation into it is complete. That investigation would be held straight after the minor final which he would have been playing in only for Down to act swiftly which Kilcoo did not think would happen. They tried to pull a fast one. Suspend the lad for 4 weeks after the minor final meaning he wouldn't miss any matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 21, 2019, 12:29:49 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 21, 2019, 12:15:30 PM
Wobbler whilst I agree with you about clubs doing all to get lads off this is different. For the lad Clarke and Laverty to call to the lads house and apologise and to say it was unacceptable and it should never happen. Kilcoo then apologised and said that stuff is not acceptable and he will be hit with a suspension after an investigation into it is complete. That investigation would be held straight after the minor final which he would have been playing in only for Down to act swiftly which Kilcoo did not think would happen. They tried to pull a fast one. Suspend the lad for 4 weeks after the minor final meaning he wouldn't miss any matches.

It might be different. But is it really worse? Hand on heart, would you rather be on the end of highly personal sledging, or get a broken jaw from a sucker punch? There is a cover up over things like the latter every couple of weeks throughout the season.

As a talking point it reminds me of the enragement of soccer fans and pundits towards spitting, whereas when one of their own breaks an opponents leg in an aggressive tackle it's "part of the game".

If this young fella had have smashed someone's jaw in the semi final, there would have been widespread sympathy for him missing his "only chance of playing in a minor final".

Or if this young fella had have spent a couple of minutes abusing the referee and calling him every name under the sun, while identifying him only through his physical flaws, there would have been widespread sympathy for him missing his "only chance of playing in a minor final".

Unfortunately familiarity can and does breed acceptance. And once it's accepted, it's no longer considered underhand, but just part of the game.

I'm fundamentally against sledging, and would welcome any potential measures to ensure the popular consensus is that it is beyond the pail.

But expecting any club to pursue and punish their own players for sledging, when every club across the country will steadfastly defend their players in similar or worse scenarios, is a tad rich.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 21, 2019, 01:31:26 PM
Its not that often I would agree with Downjim but in this case I do and I think you are wrong Wobbler.  I don't think you are getting the main issues around this.  It is only a matter of months since the Mayobridge lad lost his mother and his opponent is using this to gain an advantage.  This happened at an underage match FFS.  If you don't deem this worse than what has gone before then it says more about you than anything else.

When you take into account the offence and the age of the lad I think most clubs would not have appealed in the circumstances.  The club should have set down a marker that he went too far and went way over the line that would be deemed acceptable.  I think any club with morals would have done this and I would have no problem telling anyone from Kilcoo this.  How would the lad from Mayobridge and his father have felt when they heard the news of the appeal? That heart felt doorstep apology doesn't seem so heartfelt now.   It is ironic as it would have been likely that Kilcoo would have won yesterday without him.

Kilcoo have had a fantastic year but it is tainted by this.  I have no doubts that they wont give a damn but it has and will lose them respect throughout the county and province.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 21, 2019, 01:39:58 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 21, 2019, 01:31:26 PM
Its not that often I would agree with Downjim but in this case I do and I think you are wrong Wobbler.  I don't think you are getting the main issues around this.  It is only a matter of months since the Mayobridge lad lost his mother and his opponent is using this to gain an advantage.  This happened at an underage match FFS.  If you don't deem this worse than what has gone before then it says more about you than anything else.

When you take into account the offence and the age of the lad I think most clubs would not have appealed in the circumstances.  The club should have set down a marker that he went too far and went way over the line that would be deemed acceptable.  I think any club with morals would have done this and I would have no problem telling anyone from Kilcoo this.  How would the lad from Mayobridge and his father have felt when they heard the news of the appeal? That heart felt doorstep apology doesn't seem so heartfelt now.   It is ironic as it would have been likely that Kilcoo would have won yesterday without him.

Kilcoo have had a fantastic year but it is tainted by this.  I have no doubts that they wont give a damn but it has and will lose them respect throughout the county and province.

+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 21, 2019, 01:45:23 PM
With the greatest respect WGM, you're missing my fundamental point. I'm not in any way suggesting that Kilcoo were right to appeal. I'm suggesting that if placed in an identical situation, just about every club in Ireland would appeal.

You might wish to believe that your own club is different. But I expect it's not.

Anything goes in Gaelic Games. We have a serious cultural issue. Kilcoo are a symptom, not the cause.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 21, 2019, 01:55:51 PM
I get your fundamental point, I still think its wrong.

A clubs actions are based on the culture set within that club.  I would be shocked and horrified if 90% of clubs in Down would appeal an underage suspension given the circumstances.  You obviously believe Ballyholland would have appealed which is a surprise as I know a lot of good people in Ballyholland and would envisage they wouldn't stand for this sort of thing.

Id actually be shocked if 90% of the people on this board didn't disagree with what you say.  If that's not the case then it is extremely disturbing and the GAA really has hit a new low.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 21, 2019, 02:01:21 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 21, 2019, 01:55:51 PM
I get your fundamental point, I still think its wrong.

A clubs actions are based on the culture set within that club.  I would be shocked and horrified if 90% of clubs in Down would appeal an underage suspension given the circumstances.  You obviously believe Ballyholland would have appealed which is a surprise as I know a lot of good people in Ballyholland and would envisage they wouldn't stand for this sort of thing.

Id actually be shocked if 90% of the people on this board didn't disagree with what you say.  If that's not the case then it is extremely disturbing and the GAA really has hit a new low.

There's no need to bring Ballyholland into this.

Of course 90%+ people on this board would disagree with me. It's remarkably easy to have morals unless you're physically voting for them to restrict your club's progress.

But I would fully expect that 90%+ of a) management teams and b) club committees, would vote in favour of bad press plus a championship, over good press and no championship. Right across Ireland.

The subject matter might be a new low. But the appeals process has been morally bankrupt for as long as I can remember.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on October 21, 2019, 02:14:14 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 21, 2019, 01:45:23 PM
With the greatest respect WGM, you're missing my fundamental point. I'm not in any way suggesting that Kilcoo were right to appeal. I'm suggesting that if placed in an identical situation, just about every club in Ireland would appeal.

You might wish to believe that your own club is different. But I expect it's not.

Anything goes in Gaelic Games. We have a serious cultural issue. Kilcoo are a symptom, not the cause.

This is a fair point - I can't think of any time a player has been suspended by their own club because of an on the field disciplinary issue and I do think while it is easy to take the high ground when it isn't your club. I'm not sure any club would have voluntarily suspended one of their most important players before a county final.

Clubs/coaches maybe in effect 'suspend' players for missing training or breaching a no drink ban etc, but obviously this is just called 'being dropped'.

I do think we have to remember that this happened at underage level though and no matter what clubs/county/provincial boards etc did in this matter in regards to applying and lifting sanctions, the one thing I can say is that as a parent, I can categorically state, that if it was my son who did something like this, he would not have been on that field yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 21, 2019, 02:21:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 21, 2019, 02:01:21 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 21, 2019, 01:55:51 PM
I get your fundamental point, I still think its wrong.

A clubs actions are based on the culture set within that club.  I would be shocked and horrified if 90% of clubs in Down would appeal an underage suspension given the circumstances.  You obviously believe Ballyholland would have appealed which is a surprise as I know a lot of good people in Ballyholland and would envisage they wouldn't stand for this sort of thing.

Id actually be shocked if 90% of the people on this board didn't disagree with what you say.  If that's not the case then it is extremely disturbing and the GAA really has hit a new low.

There's no need to bring Ballyholland into this.

Of course 90%+ people on this board would disagree with me.

But I would fully expect that 90%+ of a) management teams and b) club committees, would vote in favour of bad press plus a championship, over good press and no championship. Right across Ireland.

The subject matter might be a new low. But the appeals process has been morally bankrupt for as long as I can remember.

Firstly Kilcoo have had great success across senior/minor codes this season and that will be recorded in the History books, they have undoubtedly plenty of talented players. Secondly it they may have been tainted by the actions of a few but now completely Tainted by the endorsement of same actions and verbal abuse the Kilcoo club through what was originally effectively a smokescreen to clear the lad to play in the minor final but then appealing the suspension previously and again yesterday.
The apology now has been seen for what is was 'A complete facade' which in itself is another insult to the family of the deceased.

Physicality is a must in GAA and no one wants to see it disappear, after all its a contact sport, but Gouging etc and sledging are not the actions of a man, they are simply the actions of a coward and gypsy, so when you do that and you then end up with a smack in the mouth or your name dragged through the dirt then its a case of "don't do the crime,if you cant do the time".

Put simply Kilcoo have no respect for the rules/regulations of the GAA but would have you believe otherwise. Its a win at all costs mentality were they are happy to use the everyone hates us for justification to excuse low life actions, that are simply cowardly.

If they maintain that their club has standards and don't endorse such actions then they shouldn't help the perpetrators out by appealing punishments and suspensions. Likewise every other club should do the same. That would send a message to young players to play hard but don't lower the name of the club by acting like a gypsy.

As for the lad involved in the disgusting sledging and Dr Slabber who got a smack for mouthing, what lesson have they learned, absolutely none, they have their medals but their reputations are muck!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 21, 2019, 02:26:14 PM
I brought Ballyholland into it because you obviously believe they are one of the 90% that would appeal and I would be surprised by that.

The act was despicable at all age groups but even more so at underage level.  To think that most committees  would appeal for the sake of an underage championship is shocking and something I struggle to comprehend or get my head around.  Nor do I believe it to be the truth.

The appeals process may be morally bankrupt but I suspect it has not seen this sort of appeal before.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 21, 2019, 02:29:22 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on October 21, 2019, 02:14:14 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 21, 2019, 01:45:23 PM
With the greatest respect WGM, you’re missing my fundamental point. I’m not in any way suggesting that Kilcoo were right to appeal. I’m suggesting that if placed in an identical situation, just about every club in Ireland would appeal.

You might wish to believe that your own club is different. But I expect it’s not.

Anything goes in Gaelic Games. We have a serious cultural issue. Kilcoo are a symptom, not the cause.

This is a fair point - I can't think of any time a player has been suspended by their own club because of an on the field disciplinary issue and I do think while it is easy to take the high ground when it isn't your club. I'm not sure any club would have voluntarily suspended one of their most important players before a county final.

Clubs/coaches maybe in effect 'suspend' players for missing training or breaching a no drink ban etc, but obviously this is just called 'being dropped'.

I do think we have to remember that this happened at underage level though and no matter what clubs/county/provincial boards etc did in this matter in regards to applying and lifting sanctions, the one thing I can say is that as a parent, I can categorically state, that if it was my son who did something like this, he would not have been on that field yesterday.

Good point.

Kilcoo didnt need to do the internal suspension, they just needed to adhere to the suspension already given.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 21, 2019, 02:43:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 21, 2019, 02:01:21 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on October 21, 2019, 01:55:51 PM
I get your fundamental point, I still think its wrong.

A clubs actions are based on the culture set within that club.  I would be shocked and horrified if 90% of clubs in Down would appeal an underage suspension given the circumstances.  You obviously believe Ballyholland would have appealed which is a surprise as I know a lot of good people in Ballyholland and would envisage they wouldn't stand for this sort of thing.

Id actually be shocked if 90% of the people on this board didn't disagree with what you say.  If that's not the case then it is extremely disturbing and the GAA really has hit a new low.

There's no need to bring Ballyholland into this.

Of course 90%+ people on this board would disagree with me. It's remarkably easy to have morals unless you're physically voting for them to restrict your club's progress.

But I would fully expect that 90%+ of a) management teams and b) club committees, would vote in favour of bad press plus a championship, over good press and no championship. Right across Ireland.

The subject matter might be a new low. But the appeals process has been morally bankrupt for as long as I can remember.

In view of the sensitivities involved , I don't feel this is the right forum to debate the specifics of controversies at underage level .
However it must be said that whilst there is so much positive about our games, in some things in the GAA we seem to be losing our way.
My own club has recently experienced the very positive supportive network our great organisation provides. We are very grateful and have been truly humbled by the support we have received from many clubs at a very difficult time.
In reality , The vast majority of our experiences with the GAA are no doubt positive.
However it seems to be that there has been a gradual increase in unsavoury incidents and it's time for the GAA to explore this and try and eradicate it. Rugby and soccer have had some success in promoting a positive culture recently .
All clubs have a responsibility to try to promote a positive respectful culture, and those that would point the finger exclusively at certain clubs are missing the point . The conduct of spectators, club officials and on occasion , players , is not acceptable , Especially in the modern era when it is being exposed leaving our association open to ridicule. In soccer , clubs are penalised for behaviour of supporters etc and this is something we should legislate for in the GAA.
We have parents in our club, some from GAA background and some not , who don't want to bring their children to watch games due to the nature and extent of verbals. Sadly this crowd behaviour is almost never challenged by the "slabber's" own club, and therein lies the problem. It's usually left to
Opposition fans to sort out and then it becomes a row and escalates. If clubs were hit in the pocket for proven bad behaviour, they'd soon start to enforce normality.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 21, 2019, 03:03:34 PM
I'd agree with you 6th Sam. Maybe it has always been this way and I wasn't open minded enough to see it, but Gaelic Games has seemingly jumped off a cliff edge when it comes to a moral code.

There is an open culture of cheating. Whether it's through paying extraordinary sums of money in brown envelopes to coaches and back room teams, intimidating the officials, club umpires who refuse any calls to be objective, time wasting and head injuries, kicking balls away, kicking balls in, sledging, cheap shots, gouging, diving and feigning injury, water carriers interrupting play, 20 minute half time breaks, appealing every sanction in board rooms, requesting fixture postponements due to injuries, etc, etc. With little no respect being shown by players, this is of course going to spread to crowds.

How to fix it, I don't know. Bringing back 4 week suspensions instead of 1 game suspensions would definitely though help.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 21, 2019, 03:41:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 21, 2019, 03:03:34 PM
I'd agree with you 6th Sam. Maybe it has always been this way and I wasn't open minded enough to see it, but Gaelic Games has seemingly jumped off a cliff edge when it comes to a moral code.

There is an open culture of cheating. Whether it's through paying extraordinary sums of money in brown envelopes to coaches and back room teams, intimidating the officials, club umpires who refuse any calls to be objective, time wasting and head injuries, kicking balls away, kicking balls in, sledging, cheap shots, gouging, diving and feigning injury, water carriers interrupting play, 20 minute half time breaks, appealing every sanction in board rooms, requesting fixture postponements due to injuries, etc, etc. With little no respect being shown by players, this is of course going to spread to crowds.

How to fix it, I don't know. Bringing back 4 week suspensions instead of 1 game suspensions would definitely though help.

well said Wobbler, when suspensions for a strike where 1 month across the board or 3 months for kicking etc there was probably less occurrence, sledging whilst not new has become increasingly more vitriolic and very little way of proving it, hence the perfect way for a coward to operate.
heavier suspensions and a tighter appeals process with a bit more integrity from all concerned would discourage a lot of what is currently going on,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheClutch on October 21, 2019, 03:46:41 PM
Is sledging a regular occurrence in Division 1/2 games? Having been involved in senior football for 10+ years at Division 3/4 level I've experienced very little sledging outside the usual "your sh**e" etc.
Personally I'd be shocked and furious if anything derogatory on a personal/non football level was aimed at myself or team mates, and would expect the referee and offender's club to take appropriate action.There is absolutely no place for it in our games and I'd feel rather ashamed of clubs at the higher end of our county it this was something that happened regularly in the top divisions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on October 21, 2019, 04:56:23 PM
Charlie Carr case thrown out. Unconfirmed reports suggest Kilcoo are going to Croke Park to appeal the decision.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 21, 2019, 05:42:22 PM
Quote from: TheClutch on October 21, 2019, 03:46:41 PM
Is sledging a regular occurrence in Division 1/2 games? Having been involved in senior football for 10+ years at Division 3/4 level I've experienced very little sledging outside the usual "your sh**e" etc.
Personally I'd be shocked and furious if anything derogatory on a personal/non football level was aimed at myself or team mates, and would expect the referee and offender's club to take appropriate action.There is absolutely no place for it in our games and I'd feel rather ashamed of clubs at the higher end of our county it this was something that happened regularly in the top divisions.
Unfortunately I remember being subject to sledging in div 4 ~25 years ago, also  remember alleged sledging in underage matches more recently , and it hasn't been club specific .
Referees can not be expected to deal with it unless they hear it, as it's also possible that players could make up an allegation or misunderstand.
Ultimately the GAA needs to foster/promote/reward sportsmanship ( soccer/Rugby appear to have had some success with this) and presumably technology will develop over next few years to provide independent evidence .
Making grounds more family friendly and rival supporters more welcome should be encouraged and funded. Club's will be forced to police their own fans if they are hit with sanctions for evidenced behaviour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on October 21, 2019, 07:39:04 PM
I would like an opportunity to clear a couple of things up regarding the minor match yesterday. Especially as whitegoodman, forevergreen, smurfy and others post whatever comes into their heads as fact.
The whole incident sits well with no one from the Kilcoo club.
The player involved was genuinely remorseful for what he said. He could have denied it and never had a suspension imposed on him but I'm glad he chose instead to admit his guilt and accepted his one match ban imposed by Kilcoo committee.
The punishment for verbally abusing your opponent carries a max one match ban.
Instead the County board gave an 8 week ban for 'bringing the game into disrepute'.
The Lad missed 4 matches including a senior and minor championship final.
A fair enough punishment I'd have thought.
How do you please the jealous mobs? Firing squad? Hangman?
Now ask yourselves honestly, would your club have suspended one of its own under similar circumstances?
I doubt it. Kilcoo acted with courage and I admire them for it.
The lad has learned his lesson, as a club we've tried to learn from this.
Always keen to improve, always keen to learn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 21, 2019, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: Oglach on October 21, 2019, 07:39:04 PM
I would like an opportunity to clear a couple of things up regarding the minor match yesterday. Especially as whitegoodman, forevergreen, smurfy and others post whatever comes into their heads as fact.
The whole incident sits well with no one from the Kilcoo club.
The player involved was genuinely remorseful for what he said. He could have denied it and never had a suspension imposed on him but I'm glad he chose instead to admit his guilt and accepted his one match ban imposed by Kilcoo committee.
The punishment for verbally abusing your opponent carries a max one match ban.
Instead the County board gave an 8 week ban for 'bringing the game into disrepute'.
The Lad missed 4 matches including a senior and minor championship final.
A fair enough punishment I'd have thought.
How do you please the jealous mobs? Firing squad? Hangman?
Now ask yourselves honestly, would your club have suspended one of its own under similar circumstances?
I doubt it. Kilcoo acted with courage and I admire them for it.
The lad has learned his lesson, as a club we've tried to learn from this.
Always keen to improve, always keen to learn.

Courage you say... ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 21, 2019, 08:01:54 PM
Quote from: Oglach on October 21, 2019, 07:39:04 PM
I would like an opportunity to clear a couple of things up regarding the minor match yesterday. Especially as whitegoodman, forevergreen, smurfy and others post whatever comes into their heads as fact.
The whole incident sits well with no one from the Kilcoo club.
The player involved was genuinely remorseful for what he said. He could have denied it and never had a suspension imposed on him but I'm glad he chose instead to admit his guilt and accepted his one match ban imposed by Kilcoo committee.
The punishment for verbally abusing your opponent carries a max one match ban.
Instead the County board gave an 8 week ban for 'bringing the game into disrepute'.
The Lad missed 4 matches including a senior and minor championship final.
A fair enough punishment I'd have thought.
How do you please the jealous mobs? Firing squad? Hangman?
Now ask yourselves honestly, would your club have suspended one of its own under similar circumstances?
I doubt it. Kilcoo acted with courage and I admire them for it.
The lad has learned his lesson, as a club we've tried to learn from this.
Always keen to improve, always keen to learn.
Good to have your comments on this and clear up a few facts. I have no doubt this topic will continue. Unfortunately.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 21, 2019, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on October 21, 2019, 04:56:23 PM
Charlie Carr case thrown out. Unconfirmed reports suggest Kilcoo are going to Croke Park to appeal the decision.
😂 if they took it to Croke park they would win as they have won everything else this year 🏆🏆
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 21, 2019, 08:34:18 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on October 21, 2019, 07:41:42 PM
Quote from: Oglach on October 21, 2019, 07:39:04 PM
I would like an opportunity to clear a couple of things up regarding the minor match yesterday. Especially as whitegoodman, forevergreen, smurfy and others post whatever comes into their heads as fact.
The whole incident sits well with no one from the Kilcoo club.
The player involved was genuinely remorseful for what he said. He could have denied it and never had a suspension imposed on him but I'm glad he chose instead to admit his guilt and accepted his one match ban imposed by Kilcoo committee.
The punishment for verbally abusing your opponent carries a max one match ban.
Instead the County board gave an 8 week ban for 'bringing the game into disrepute'.
The Lad missed 4 matches including a senior and minor championship final.
A fair enough punishment I'd have thought.
How do you please the jealous mobs? Firing squad? Hangman?
Now ask yourselves honestly, would your club have suspended one of its own under similar circumstances?
I doubt it. Kilcoo acted with courage and I admire them for it.
The lad has learned his lesson, as a club we've tried to learn from this.
Always keen to improve, always keen to learn.

Courage you say... ::) ::) ::)

Yea could expand on the courage part, has me a bit confused!

Of the 4 games how many were minor games  ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 21, 2019, 08:39:37 PM
For many it's not jealousy either.

I don't think anyone could doubt that Kilcoo minor and senior team were the best teams in Down this year.  The minor team in particular are impressive and by a distance superior to the teams around them. 

But that's not what this discussion is about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 21, 2019, 08:55:24 PM
Quote from: Oglach on October 21, 2019, 07:39:04 PM
I would like an opportunity to clear a couple of things up regarding the minor match yesterday. Especially as whitegoodman, forevergreen, smurfy and others post whatever comes into their heads as fact.
The whole incident sits well with no one from the Kilcoo club.
The player involved was genuinely remorseful for what he said. He could have denied it and never had a suspension imposed on him but I'm glad he chose instead to admit his guilt and accepted his one match ban imposed by Kilcoo committee.
The punishment for verbally abusing your opponent carries a max one match ban.
Instead the County board gave an 8 week ban for 'bringing the game into disrepute'.
The Lad missed 4 matches including a senior and minor championship final.
A fair enough punishment I'd have thought.
How do you please the jealous mobs? Firing squad? Hangman?
Now ask yourselves honestly, would your club have suspended one of its own under similar circumstances?
I doubt it. Kilcoo acted with courage and I admire them for it.
The lad has learned his lesson, as a club we've tried to learn from this.
Always keen to improve, always keen to learn.
Ah so he didn't bring the game into disrepute, that clears that up, so in essence we have all learned that the young lad, the kilcoo minor management and club  couldn't give a flying f**k about the offended family and to hell with any justice they might have been entitled to, his apology was obviously about as sincere as Sammy Wilson saying he wants a United Ireland!!!
Well done always learning
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 21, 2019, 09:17:12 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 21, 2019, 08:55:24 PM
Quote from: Oglach on October 21, 2019, 07:39:04 PM
I would like an opportunity to clear a couple of things up regarding the minor match yesterday. Especially as whitegoodman, forevergreen, smurfy and others post whatever comes into their heads as fact.
The whole incident sits well with no one from the Kilcoo club.
The player involved was genuinely remorseful for what he said. He could have denied it and never had a suspension imposed on him but I'm glad he chose instead to admit his guilt and accepted his one match ban imposed by Kilcoo committee.
The punishment for verbally abusing your opponent carries a max one match ban.
Instead the County board gave an 8 week ban for 'bringing the game into disrepute'.
The Lad missed 4 matches including a senior and minor championship final.
A fair enough punishment I'd have thought.
How do you please the jealous mobs? Firing squad? Hangman?
Now ask yourselves honestly, would your club have suspended one of its own under similar circumstances?
I doubt it. Kilcoo acted with courage and I admire them for it.
The lad has learned his lesson, as a club we've tried to learn from this.
Always keen to improve, always keen to learn.
Ah so he didn't bring the game into disrepute, that clears that up, so in essence we have all learned that the young lad, the kilcoo minor management and club  couldn't give a flying f**k about the offended family and to hell with any justice they might have been entitled to, his apology was obviously about as sincere as Sammy Wilson saying he wants a United Ireland!!!
Well done always learning

Yea but they showed tremendous courage they way they went about it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Golden Eye on October 22, 2019, 08:29:17 AM
So there we have it,,, how the Kilcoo club must be celebrating this morning or perhaps not. A week after winning the Down Senior Championship and their replayed minor victory  perhaps they won't actually be celebrating as much now. Given how they managed to get overturned at GAA HQ the alleged but very publicised sledging dished out by one of their minor players in a recent championship minor match against a young opponent who's mother had earlier this year passed away after a cancer battle,  the Kilcoo club found itself on the receiving end today at Newry Courthouse. The lies by their player were clearly and ruthlessly exposed.  Unlike the young minor footballers from Mayobridge who got no justice, Charlie Carr did. He got justice for himself, his family and the GAA family. The dog on the street has been aware of The Magpies dark arts. Their victorious senior captains of last week must surely be thoughtful after the court result today. Sledging a Downpatrick player last year and sledging the wife of a very recent Down captain come to mind. The once self nominated defenders of all that is republican, ran to the police when someone had the courage to stand up to them,,, and now they as a club have been found out. Monaghan senior footballers can now enjoy the fruits of Kilcoo's labour. What was the reason for appealing the minor players sledging??? Why were their supporters recently fighting at a ladies final? Is there not a moral fibre in anyone associated with their club and committee. Their recent successes are meaningless and of no value compared to the victory of Charlie Carr today. Today truth, manliness, courage and beating the bully prevailed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 22, 2019, 08:43:23 AM
They are a club with little or no class
The way they conduct themselves on the field is nothing short of disgusting
Carr stood up the the sledging and the club run to the PSNI
They may be dominating Down football but the lack the class of the great Bryansford team of the 70s the brilliant all Ireland winning Burren team of the 80s and the swashbuckling Bridge team of the noughtys. Gloating on social media really makes the apology to the young lads family sound cheap. The manager has form for this behaviour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 22, 2019, 08:45:17 AM
Need to stop the Kilcoo bashing and wise up this shite happens all over the county - Example Drumgath player a couple of years sledging a well known Tullylish player about something that is completely out of bounds, Lynch assaulting a minor who was playing for Saul last year before a ball was thrown in, absolutely no-one said anything about any of that on this forum.. As for the court case there were Kilcoo players who couldn't believe this was taken too court and were hoping that Charlie got nothing done against him.

My point is sledging and the shite is prevalent in nearly every club, it needs stamped out around the county time to take a look at the wider view not just be blinded because of your jealousy of Kilcoo

I'd agree with smurfy about the gloating, they don't help themselves and something that does grind a gear with me but the amunt of crap people write against them you can see why they are doing it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 22, 2019, 08:57:49 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 22, 2019, 08:43:23 AM
They are a club with little or no class
The way they conduct themselves on the field is nothing short of disgusting
Carr stood up the the sledging and the club run to the PSNI
They may be dominating Down football but the lack the class of the great Bryansford team of the 70s the brilliant all Ireland winning Burren team of the 80s and the swashbuckling Bridge team of the noughtys. Gloating on social media really makes the apology to the young lads family sound cheap. The manager has form for this behaviour.
As far as I'm aware this case was not taken by the Club but by the individual (It was a Civil Case). More FAKE news. Worse than TRUMP!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on October 22, 2019, 10:03:29 AM
Quote from: Last Caress on October 22, 2019, 08:57:49 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 22, 2019, 08:43:23 AM
They are a club with little or no class
The way they conduct themselves on the field is nothing short of disgusting
Carr stood up the the sledging and the club run to the PSNI
They may be dominating Down football but the lack the class of the great Bryansford team of the 70s the brilliant all Ireland winning Burren team of the 80s and the swashbuckling Bridge team of the noughtys. Gloating on social media really makes the apology to the young lads family sound cheap. The manager has form for this behaviour.
As far as I'm aware this case was not taken by the Club but by the individual (It was a Civil Case). More FAKE news. Worse than TRUMP!!!!

The sad thing in this whole thread is that people spout shite and others take it as gospel, half truths, half facts, total lies mixed in with an element of truth/fact.
Kilcoo as a club had nothing to do with court case so people coming on saying otherwise are incorrect and need to wise up! Yes there have been some unsavoury incidents this year but this thread is unbelievable with the vile hatred of the most successful club in the county this year by some stretch.
Everyone needs to look at their own club who no doubt have their own issues regarding supporters and or sledging. I have been at a lot of club football this year and have heard and seen quite a bit of bad behaviour and I can tell you now for a fact they weren't all from Kilcoo!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on October 22, 2019, 10:27:51 AM
Quote from: Last Caress on October 22, 2019, 08:57:49 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 22, 2019, 08:43:23 AM
They are a club with little or no class
The way they conduct themselves on the field is nothing short of disgusting
Carr stood up the the sledging and the club run to the PSNI
They may be dominating Down football but the lack the class of the great Bryansford team of the 70s the brilliant all Ireland winning Burren team of the 80s and the swashbuckling Bridge team of the noughtys. Gloating on social media really makes the apology to the young lads family sound cheap. The manager has form for this behaviour.
As far as I'm aware this case was not taken by the Club but by the individual (It was a Civil Case). More FAKE news. Worse than TRUMP!!!!

It was a criminal case, GBH, quite a serious charge. So serious that it was heard in the Crown Court instead of the Magistrates, so Carr could have possibly faced a prison sentence if found guilty.
Sad that it was allowed to get this far before someone finally called a halt to these proceedings. Also sad, but very typical that these so called hard men are the first to run to the police when they get a taste of their own medicine. Surely the media should ignore these cases unless the accused is found guilty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 22, 2019, 10:31:21 AM
Interesting;

"Under cross-examination from defence counsel Joe Brolly however, Dr McLaughlin denied suggestions he 'specialised' in intimidating opponents."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on October 22, 2019, 12:34:37 PM
Any thoughts on the two tier system and how it might affect Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 22, 2019, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on October 22, 2019, 12:34:37 PM
Any thoughts on the two tier system and how it might affect Down?
Probably will not be in the Qualifiers.
Quick question,what has Mark Doran achieved
to be drafted into the Senior County backroom team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 22, 2019, 12:57:52 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 22, 2019, 08:45:17 AM
Need to stop the Kilcoo bashing and wise up this shite happens all over the county - Example Drumgath player a couple of years sledging a well known Tullylish player about something that is completely out of bounds, Lynch assaulting a minor who was playing for Saul last year before a ball was thrown in, absolutely no-one said anything about any of that on this forum.. As for the court case there were Kilcoo players who couldn't believe this was taken too court and were hoping that Charlie got nothing done against him.

My point is sledging and the shite is prevalent in nearly every club, it needs stamped out around the county time to take a look at the wider view not just be blinded because of your jealousy of Kilcoo

I'd agree with smurfy about the gloating, they don't help themselves and something that does grind a gear with me but the amunt of crap people write against them you can see why they are doing it
👏👏 well said there is a lot goes on in the county but kilcoo are the only ones who get the bad press! A clonduff player told a kilcoo player he hoped he got cancer! A burren player fired a ball at an official, a clonduff player punched a ref. None of this got the same attention as kilcoo have been getting. All the best to kilcoo in Ulster seniors and minors championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pearse Blue on October 23, 2019, 09:33:16 AM
Quote from: Last Caress on October 22, 2019, 08:57:49 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 22, 2019, 08:43:23 AM
They are a club with little or no class
The way they conduct themselves on the field is nothing short of disgusting
Carr stood up the the sledging and the club run to the PSNI
They may be dominating Down football but the lack the class of the great Bryansford team of the 70s the brilliant all Ireland winning Burren team of the 80s and the swashbuckling Bridge team of the noughtys. Gloating on social media really makes the apology to the young lads family sound cheap. The manager has form for this behaviour.
As far as I'm aware this case was not taken by the Club but by the individual (It was a Civil Case). More FAKE news. Worse than TRUMP!!!!
Maybe it wasn't brought to the courts by the club, but how gutless letting it go that far especially when they haven't been saints in the past either. The club should've strongly advised against a legal battle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on October 23, 2019, 01:38:42 PM
Anyone know if reports in yesterday's Irish news are true, is Benny away? Replaced by Walsh and Doran?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on October 23, 2019, 02:18:59 PM
Yes I think Irish News researched it before printing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on October 23, 2019, 03:15:53 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on October 23, 2019, 02:18:59 PM
Yes I think Irish News researched it before printing.
. THANKS, 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 23, 2019, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 22, 2019, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on October 22, 2019, 12:34:37 PM
Any thoughts on the two tier system and how it might affect Down?
Probably will not be in the Qualifiers.
Quick question,what has Mark Doran achieved
to be drafted into the Senior County backroom team?
Asking again here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on October 23, 2019, 08:48:07 PM
Won an All-Ireland minor medal, played senior inter-county football, won an intermediate championship with Longstone, runs his own fitness company and managed Castlewellan to 2 Div 1 titles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 23, 2019, 09:02:33 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on October 23, 2019, 08:48:07 PM
Won an All-Ireland minor medal, played senior inter-county football, won an intermediate championship with Longstone, runs his own fitness company and managed Castlewellan to 2 Div 1 titles.

Good answer.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 23, 2019, 09:08:42 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on October 23, 2019, 08:48:07 PM
Won an All-Ireland minor medal, played senior inter-county football, won an intermediate championship with Longstone, runs his own fitness company and managed Castlewellan to 2 Div 1 titles.

Did Shorty Treanor not manage them for the first and then had them at top of 1st and into play off which wasnt played until start of following year when Shorty had left/moved on, granted Doran was then in charge for the play off final which was effectively the curtain raiser for the new year league??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on October 23, 2019, 09:09:55 PM
I would have thought Shorty had managed The Town to those league wins but I stand to be corrected. Bar Paddy Tally and his side kick the three county management teams are decidedly light on any managerial achievement. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 23, 2019, 09:13:41 PM
He managed in division 1 done ok with Castlewellan regardless if he was only in for the playoff.
Jesus what do people in here want. He's young too and I'm sure he can take some coaching. Would be interesting to know why Benny has stepped away. Mayobridge maybe.
Hearing the lad Beatty taking most of the training and boys not overly impressed with it
Give Doran a chance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on October 23, 2019, 09:25:41 PM
He was with Shorty then took over like you said forevergreen only the Kilcoo match was the start of his first season alone and he won it that year as well properly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 23, 2019, 10:15:36 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 23, 2019, 09:13:41 PM
He managed in division 1 done ok with Castlewellan regardless if he was only in for the playoff.
Jesus what do people in here want. He's young too and I'm sure he can take some coaching. Would be interesting to know why Benny has stepped away. Mayobridge maybe.
Hearing the lad Beatty taking most of the training and boys not overly impressed with it
Give Doran a chance

Benny not getting any say apparently so had enough and rightly so.

I don't see the 2 new boys having much say either but you never know.  The whole management package looks expensive enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 24, 2019, 11:59:39 AM
My championship all stars
1.Mcmahon
2.Magee
3.choc
4.O'Hagan
5.Aaron B
6.John Boyle
7.Dabs
8. Ryan mcevoy
9. Murphy
10. Arthur
11. P D
12. Donagh
13. Laverty
14. Ross
15. Loughran

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 24, 2019, 04:29:36 PM
That's a decent side, Ryan Magee in midfield for me in place of Murphy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 24, 2019, 05:14:56 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 24, 2019, 11:59:39 AM
My championship all stars
1.Mcmahon
2.Magee
3.choc
4.O'Hagan
5.Aaron B
6.John Boyle
7.Dabs
8. Ryan mcevoy
9. Murphy
10. Arthur
11. P D
12. Donagh
13. Laverty
14. Ross
15. Loughran
who is Magee at 2?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on October 26, 2019, 03:08:11 AM
Quote from: elk on October 24, 2019, 05:14:56 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 24, 2019, 11:59:39 AM
My championship all stars
1.Mcmahon
2.Magee
3.choc
4.O'Hagan
5.Aaron B
6.John Boyle
7.Dabs
8. Ryan mcevoy
9. Murphy
10. Arthur
11. P D
12. Donagh
13. Laverty
14. Ross
15. Loughran
who is Magee at 2?
1. Bobo/ Trainor
2. McAleenan
3. Murdock
4. O Hagan
5. John Boyle
6. Choc
7. Dabs
8. McEvoy
9. Ryan Magee
10. Ward
11. Aidan Carr
12. Donagh
13. Loughran
14. Ross
15. Laverty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on October 26, 2019, 03:32:38 PM
Wat is going on with Castlewellan football, failed to score v Burren in u21 championship game in Burren last nite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 26, 2019, 04:38:29 PM
Quote from: sdg on October 26, 2019, 03:32:38 PM
Wat is going on with Castlewellan football, failed to score v Burren in u21 championship game in Burren last nite.
what was the score?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on October 26, 2019, 04:49:47 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 26, 2019, 04:38:29 PM
Quote from: sdg on October 26, 2019, 03:32:38 PM
Wat is going on with Castlewellan football, failed to score v Burren in u21 championship game in Burren last nite.
what was the score?
. 1  16___0 00
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 27, 2019, 08:25:06 AM
Fantastic result for Newry Shamrocks. Hope they can push on and win the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2019, 10:41:06 AM
See young McGovern from Ballyholland signed new contract with Newry City. Hopefully that doesnt stop him playing football with Down in few years, looked some prospect anytime Ive seen him play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on October 27, 2019, 11:24:43 AM
Quote from: sdg on October 26, 2019, 03:32:38 PM
Wat is going on with Castlewellan football, failed to score v Burren in u21 championship game in Burren last nite.
talk about a club going backwards!! Years of poaching players from other clubs and indeed other countys taking its toal now, no underage structure at all, then you have the finn club up and running again ,which takes up a few players that represented town in most codes from underage to seniors, it's a pity tho 😁once a big club with ambition to the slums of div 2 and maybe div 3 after next season! Half of them don't know if they're from the finn or castlewellan or who to support ! 🙈
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on October 27, 2019, 01:04:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2019, 10:41:06 AM
See young McGovern from Ballyholland signed new contract with Newry City. Hopefully that doesnt stop him playing football with Down in few years, looked some prospect anytime Ive seen him play.

You did say the contract is with Newry City and not Real Madrid?  Wise up FFS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on October 27, 2019, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 27, 2019, 11:24:43 AM
Quote from: sdg on October 26, 2019, 03:32:38 PM
Wat is going on with Castlewellan football, failed to score v Burren in u21 championship game in Burren last nite.
talk about a club going backwards!! Years of poaching players from other clubs and indeed other countys taking its toal now, no underage structure at all, then you have the finn club up and running again ,which takes up a few players that represented town in most codes from underage to seniors, it's a pity tho 😁once a big club with ambition to the slums of div 2 and maybe div 3 after next season! Half of them don't know if they're from the finn or castlewellan or who to support ! 🙈
Very complementary for the lower division teams. But your right, it's a serious fall for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2019, 02:02:45 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 27, 2019, 01:04:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2019, 10:41:06 AM
See young McGovern from Ballyholland signed new contract with Newry City. Hopefully that doesnt stop him playing football with Down in few years, looked some prospect anytime Ive seen him play.

You did say the contract is with Newry City and not Real Madrid?  Wise up FFS

Why? Surely likes of John Boyle  would have played more seasons with Down only for his soccer career.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 27, 2019, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on October 27, 2019, 01:58:16 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on October 27, 2019, 11:24:43 AM
Quote from: sdg on October 26, 2019, 03:32:38 PM
Wat is going on with Castlewellan football, failed to score v Burren in u21 championship game in Burren last nite.
talk about a club going backwards!! Years of poaching players from other clubs and indeed other countys taking its toal now, no underage structure at all, then you have the finn club up and running again ,which takes up a few players that represented town in most codes from underage to seniors, it's a pity tho 😁once a big club with ambition to the slums of div 2 and maybe div 3 after next season! Half of them don't know if they're from the finn or castlewellan or who to support ! 🙈
Very complementary for the lower division teams. But your right, it's a serious fall for them.

You reap what you so, but they were very poor the other night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 27, 2019, 07:54:35 PM
Still don't see how it's fair that U21 teams can transfer players in for a championship campaign
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: delgany on October 27, 2019, 08:07:44 PM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 27, 2019, 07:54:35 PM
Still don't see how it's fair that U21 teams can transfer players in for a championship campaign
If their own club doesn't field in the competition , the player is able to get a sanction to play elsewhere . Max.no. allowed is 5 afaik
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 27, 2019, 08:16:23 PM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 27, 2019, 07:54:35 PM
Still don't see how it's fair that U21 teams can transfer players in for a championship campaign
Surely it's fairer than the only way you can play in an u20 competition is to be from a big club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 28, 2019, 10:42:43 AM
Quote from: JimmyFloydMay123 on October 27, 2019, 07:54:35 PM
Still don't see how it's fair that U21 teams can transfer players in for a championship campaign

Who beat you yesterday then??
Btw who are poaching players??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Jim Bob on October 29, 2019, 07:07:19 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2019, 02:02:45 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 27, 2019, 01:04:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2019, 10:41:06 AM
See young McGovern from Ballyholland signed new contract with Newry City. Hopefully that doesnt stop him playing football with Down in few years, looked some prospect anytime Ive seen him play.

You did say the contract is with Newry City and not Real Madrid?  Wise up FFS

Why? Surely likes of John Boyle  would have played more seasons with Down only for his soccer career.

Yes.... Smither too only played a few National,league games for Down because of his soccer career definitely would have had a big County career only for the soccer
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Post by: yewtree on October 31, 2019, 12:27:25 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 29, 2019, 07:07:19 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2019, 02:02:45 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 27, 2019, 01:04:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2019, 10:41:06 AM
See young McGovern from Ballyholland signed new contract with Newry City. Hopefully that doesnt stop him playing football with Down in few years, looked some prospect anytime Ive seen him play.

You did say the contract is with Newry City and not Real Madrid?  Wise up FFS


Why? Surely likes of John Boyle  would have played more seasons with Down only for his soccer career.

Yes.... Smither too only played a few National,league games for Down because of his soccer career definitely would have had a big County career only for the soccer

Yes so many Gaelic careers being spoilt by backward managers.Let's hope John McGovern is facilitated to do both.He is too good a player to miss out on ,County Minor captain and potential attack leader on Senior County side.
Potentially if James is involved with seniors again soon he will work with him.James understands from his own experience in Irish League football and knows it can be done.You're right on about Smither but with Darren at Newry he'll work well for Harps and John.From talking to a few Harps men on a trip recently all are delighted for him.
Surprise victory though the other day for Shamrocks v Harps in U21s but the East South gap was highlighted in Burren v Castlewellan game , Castlewellan didn't even score !I know Burren are a special side but to hold a team scoreless is some feat.More silverware going to Burren in this competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on November 01, 2019, 07:28:49 AM
Yewtree is back banging the same old drum, apparently Burren goalkeeper had a great game but still a terrible result for the town, interesting to see if Carryduff will match the mighty Burren, did you get over the Kilcoo result but now I think your a Burren lad and not one from the point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on November 01, 2019, 01:30:14 PM
I see south down select did very well in their first game in the Paul mcgirr tournament, they must be strong favourites to win it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on November 01, 2019, 06:03:07 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on November 01, 2019, 07:28:49 AM
Yewtree is back banging the same old drum, apparently Burren goalkeeper had a great game but still a terrible result for the town, interesting to see if Carryduff will match the mighty Burren, did you get over the Kilcoo result but now I think your a Burren lad and not one from the point

I think the problem isn't an east v south thing (stupid argument anyway). It seems to be a town issue - Newry is in same boat as Castlewellan - Downpatrick not far behind.

Good to see Bredagh and Carryduff bucking the trend.

And you're right about Burren v Carryduff - will be a close game - think predicting a Burren u21 championship win was a tad premature.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on November 01, 2019, 08:48:27 PM
Quote from: yewtree on October 31, 2019, 12:27:25 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 29, 2019, 07:07:19 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2019, 02:02:45 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 27, 2019, 01:04:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2019, 10:41:06 AM
See young McGovern from Ballyholland signed new contract with Newry City. Hopefully that doesnt stop him playing football with Down in few years, looked some prospect anytime Ive seen him play.

You did say the contract is with Newry City and not Real Madrid?  Wise up FFS


Why? Surely likes of John Boyle  would have played more seasons with Down only for his soccer career.

Yes.... Smither too only played a few National,league games for Down because of his soccer career definitely would have had a big County career only for the soccer

Yes so many Gaelic careers being spoilt by backward managers.Let's hope John McGovern is facilitated to do both.He is too good a player to miss out on ,County Minor captain and potential attack leader on Senior County side.
Potentially if James is involved with seniors again soon he will work with him.James understands from his own experience in Irish League football and knows it can be done.You're right on about Smither but with Darren at Newry he'll work well for Harps and John.From talking to a few Harps men on a trip recently all are delighted for him.
Surprise victory though the other day for Shamrocks v Harps in U21s but the East South gap was highlighted in Burren v Castlewellan game , Castlewellan didn't even score !I know Burren are a special side but to hold a team scoreless is some feat.More silverware going to Burren in this competition.

Quote from: PTC on November 01, 2019, 01:30:14 PM
I see south down select did very well in their first game in the Paul mcgirr tournament, they must be strong favourites to win it

Yes a very comprehensive win v Rossa Magherafelt with their best wishes afterwards.Burren have built a great relationship with them over Feiles and games.Couldn't get over how commanding Burren were.The work being done in Burren is unrivalled and not one parent managing a team.But next a hard game up now v Gaoith Dobhair.
In the U21s Burren have a home game v League of Nations Carryduff with the usual arrival of Range Rover 4 by 4s and Mercedes and posh wealthy boys from The East - this time expect a battle and a 6 point Burren win.
In the other game Point will have too much for a resurgent Shamrocks but can't see past a Burren title.Wonder why Kilcoo haven't entered and let's hope Magherafelt Rossa hammer them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on November 01, 2019, 10:05:36 PM
Quote from: yewtree on November 01, 2019, 08:48:27 PM
Quote from: yewtree on October 31, 2019, 12:27:25 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 29, 2019, 07:07:19 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2019, 02:02:45 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 27, 2019, 01:04:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2019, 10:41:06 AM
See young McGovern from Ballyholland signed new contract with Newry City. Hopefully that doesnt stop him playing football with Down in few years, looked some prospect anytime Ive seen him play.

You did say the contract is with Newry City and not Real Madrid?  Wise up FFS


Why? Surely likes of John Boyle  would have played more seasons with Down only for his soccer career.

Yes.... Smither too only played a few National,league games for Down because of his soccer career definitely would have had a big County career only for the soccer

Yes so many Gaelic careers being spoilt by backward managers.Let's hope John McGovern is facilitated to do both.He is too good a player to miss out on ,County Minor captain and potential attack leader on Senior County side.
Potentially if James is involved with seniors again soon he will work with him.James understands from his own experience in Irish League football and knows it can be done.You're right on about Smither but with Darren at Newry he'll work well for Harps and John.From talking to a few Harps men on a trip recently all are delighted for him.
Surprise victory though the other day for Shamrocks v Harps in U21s but the East South gap was highlighted in Burren v Castlewellan game , Castlewellan didn't even score !I know Burren are a special side but to hold a team scoreless is some feat.More silverware going to Burren in this competition.

Quote from: PTC on November 01, 2019, 01:30:14 PM
I see south down select did very well in their first game in the Paul mcgirr tournament, they must be strong favourites to win it

Yes a very comprehensive win v Rossa Magherafelt with their best wishes afterwards.Burren have built a great relationship with them over Feiles and games.Couldn't get over how commanding Burren were.The work being done in Burren is unrivalled and not one parent managing a team.But next a hard game up now v Gaoith Dobhair.
In the U21s Burren have a home game v League of Nations Carryduff with the usual arrival of Range Rover 4 by 4s and Mercedes and posh wealthy boys from The East - this time expect a battle and a 6 point Burren win.
In the other game Point will have too much for a resurgent Shamrocks but can't see past a Burren title.Wonder why Kilcoo haven't entered and let's hope Magherafelt Rossa hammer them.
The words of a very sad individual.  Sink your keyboard boot into every club you can.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on November 01, 2019, 10:06:47 PM
Quote from: yewtree on November 01, 2019, 08:48:27 PM
Quote from: yewtree on October 31, 2019, 12:27:25 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 29, 2019, 07:07:19 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2019, 02:02:45 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 27, 2019, 01:04:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2019, 10:41:06 AM
See young McGovern from Ballyholland signed new contract with Newry City. Hopefully that doesnt stop him playing football with Down in few years, looked some prospect anytime Ive seen him play.

You did say the contract is with Newry City and not Real Madrid?  Wise up FFS


Why? Surely likes of John Boyle  would have played more seasons with Down only for his soccer career.

Yes.... Smither too only played a few National,league games for Down because of his soccer career definitely would have had a big County career only for the soccer

Yes so many Gaelic careers being spoilt by backward managers.Let's hope John McGovern is facilitated to do both.He is too good a player to miss out on ,County Minor captain and potential attack leader on Senior County side.
Potentially if James is involved with seniors again soon he will work with him.James understands from his own experience in Irish League football and knows it can be done.You're right on about Smither but with Darren at Newry he'll work well for Harps and John.From talking to a few Harps men on a trip recently all are delighted for him.
Surprise victory though the other day for Shamrocks v Harps in U21s but the East South gap was highlighted in Burren v Castlewellan game , Castlewellan didn't even score !I know Burren are a special side but to hold a team scoreless is some feat.More silverware going to Burren in this competition.

Quote from: PTC on November 01, 2019, 01:30:14 PM
I see south down select did very well in their first game in the Paul mcgirr tournament, they must be strong favourites to win it

Yes a very comprehensive win v Rossa Magherafelt with their best wishes afterwards.Burren have built a great relationship with them over Feiles and games.Couldn't get over how commanding Burren were.The work being done in Burren is unrivalled and not one parent managing a team.But next a hard game up now v Gaoith Dobhair.
In the U21s Burren have a home game v League of Nations Carryduff with the usual arrival of Range Rover 4 by 4s and Mercedes and posh wealthy boys from The East - this time expect a battle and a 6 point Burren win.
In the other game Point will have too much for a resurgent Shamrocks but can't see past a Burren title.Wonder why Kilcoo haven't entered and let's hope Magherafelt Rossa hammer them.

think magherafelt will be kilcoos toughest game this year. Kilcoo would find it hard for numbers for under21s with minors and seniors still going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on November 01, 2019, 10:14:37 PM
Quote from: yewtree on November 01, 2019, 08:48:27 PM
Quote from: yewtree on October 31, 2019, 12:27:25 AM
Quote from: Jim Bob on October 29, 2019, 07:07:19 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2019, 02:02:45 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 27, 2019, 01:04:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 27, 2019, 10:41:06 AM
See young McGovern from Ballyholland signed new contract with Newry City. Hopefully that doesnt stop him playing football with Down in few years, looked some prospect anytime Ive seen him play.

You did say the contract is with Newry City and not Real Madrid?  Wise up FFS


Why? Surely likes of John Boyle  would have played more seasons with Down only for his soccer career.

Yes.... Smither too only played a few National,league games for Down because of his soccer career definitely would have had a big County career only for the soccer

Yes so many Gaelic careers being spoilt by backward managers.Let's hope John McGovern is facilitated to do both.He is too good a player to miss out on ,County Minor captain and potential attack leader on Senior County side.
Potentially if James is involved with seniors again soon he will work with him.James understands from his own experience in Irish League football and knows it can be done.You're right on about Smither but with Darren at Newry he'll work well for Harps and John.From talking to a few Harps men on a trip recently all are delighted for him.
Surprise victory though the other day for Shamrocks v Harps in U21s but the East South gap was highlighted in Burren v Castlewellan game , Castlewellan didn't even score !I know Burren are a special side but to hold a team scoreless is some feat.More silverware going to Burren in this competition.

Quote from: PTC on November 01, 2019, 01:30:14 PM
I see south down select did very well in their first game in the Paul mcgirr tournament, they must be strong favourites to win it

Yes a very comprehensive win v Rossa Magherafelt with their best wishes afterwards.Burren have built a great relationship with them over Feiles and games.Couldn't get over how commanding Burren were.The work being done in Burren is unrivalled and not one parent managing a team.But next a hard game up now v Gaoith Dobhair.
In the U21s Burren have a home game v League of Nations Carryduff with the usual arrival of Range Rover 4 by 4s and Mercedes and posh wealthy boys from The East - this time expect a battle and a 6 point Burren win.
In the other game Point will have too much for a resurgent Shamrocks but can't see past a Burren title.Wonder why Kilcoo haven't entered and let's hope Magherafelt Rossa hammer them.

You are as your name suggest poisonous
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on November 01, 2019, 11:14:39 PM
Yewtree, you are as predictable as rain, Carryduff will beat Burren , can't see how they are a League of Nations , but your prediction will go the same way as the point winning the SFfC
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Post by: Last Caress on November 02, 2019, 02:48:50 PM
Think I'll go to game in newry tomorrow. Magherfelt having nothing to lose, so lets hope for a tight game.  Pressure is on kilcoo. Gonna say kilcoo win by 1.
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Post by: Maurice Moss on November 02, 2019, 02:52:27 PM
All the best to our men tomorrow. Looking forward to a good competitive game.

#UTM
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Post by: Chronic on November 02, 2019, 03:38:20 PM
Looking forward to the game tomorrow from a M'Felt perspective. We've played Burren a lot in underage and Kilcoo at minors a good few years ago but Seniors at this stage is a new experience. Hoping for a good game!
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Post by: sdg on November 02, 2019, 03:39:41 PM
Good luck kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redzone on November 02, 2019, 03:40:10 PM
What would Glenn be like in intermediate. Evens against a very good kinawely team tomorrow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 02, 2019, 04:19:07 PM
Back in another Ulster final. Hard to beat tradition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on November 02, 2019, 05:21:42 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 02, 2019, 03:40:10 PM
What would Glenn be like in intermediate. Evens against a very good kinawely team tomorrow

Glenn can be very difficult to play against, they swallow you up, turn the ball over and break at serious pace. Very fit young team and if everyone was available they would be playing at a higher level, I'd expect them to give Kinawley a very tight low scoring game, who comes out on top I don't  have a clue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on November 02, 2019, 06:12:03 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 02, 2019, 04:19:07 PM
Back in another Ulster final. Hard to beat tradition.
what was the score? Is that final next week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 02, 2019, 06:36:45 PM
Burren 2-20-Gaoth Dobhair 0-4, close enough!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on November 02, 2019, 06:53:09 PM
Quote from: redzone on November 02, 2019, 03:40:10 PM
What would Glenn be like in intermediate. Evens against a very good kinawely team tomorrow

Kinawley were 2/1 a couple of days ago-now best priced Evens
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on November 02, 2019, 11:57:42 PM
Quote from: Targetman on November 02, 2019, 06:36:45 PM
Burren 2-20-Gaoth Dobhair 0-4, close enough!!
competitive......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on November 03, 2019, 12:52:31 PM
So Carryduff (and yes all Carryduff players) beat the mighty Burren in Burren with a county senior player out injured.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on November 03, 2019, 01:16:39 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on November 03, 2019, 12:52:31 PM
So Carryduff (and yes all Carryduff players) beat the mighty Burren in Burren with a county senior player out injured.
Well done Carryduff they are a good honest team..been a long time since mighty and Burren could be used in the same sentence your going back along time Centre!
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Post by: Cuan12 on November 03, 2019, 02:44:56 PM
Surely Yewtree that's not the same Carryduff from east down, the one thing about you is your consistent with your predictions - wrong and wrong again, as the previous post stated , all their own players , so well down Carryduff and your point ground ball team also did well yesterday, Burren might win something point will win nothing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 03, 2019, 05:17:21 PM
Comfortable win for Kilcoo today, they'll never have a better chance of winning Ulster than this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on November 03, 2019, 06:02:08 PM
Would be good to see them win Ulster finally even though this is far from their strongest team of the past decade
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on November 03, 2019, 07:59:41 PM
Thought the kilcoo goalie had a great game today even with all the crap he had to listen to. Ward would be worth a look at for the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on November 03, 2019, 08:10:19 PM
Sad day for utree, Burren beaten and Kilcoo win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on November 03, 2019, 08:25:59 PM
Never got to the kilcoo game unfortunately,  but glad to hear c/duff beat the south down select yewtree and downjim away back to the rock that yous live under,lol ,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on November 03, 2019, 08:27:30 PM
Well done to kilcoo today.
A special mention to carryduff on a great win.
Does anyone know how many Range Rover 4 by 4s and Mercedes and posh wealthy boys from The East was at that game.....
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Post by: BarryBreensBandage on November 03, 2019, 09:23:03 PM
Deserved win for Glenn in the Ulster intermediate QF by beating a much fancied Kinawley side.
Great character and skill in this group of lads.
Magheracloone up next.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on November 03, 2019, 09:38:06 PM
Great to see Glenn winning today. A club on the way up and will be a real force when they get all their players back. Good luck in the semi final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on November 03, 2019, 11:47:51 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on November 03, 2019, 09:38:06 PM
Great to see Glenn winning today. A club on the way up and will be a real force when they get all their players back. Good luck in the semi final.
Fair play, thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 04, 2019, 07:49:03 AM
I thought Glenn were lucky enough to win BBB, Jack McCartan probably the best player for them on the day.. Strange game plan from Kinawley didn't really attack a lot of lateral passing no one wanting to break the line until last 5 minutes and missed two goal scoring opportunities.. Shocking penalty miss from Ruairi Corrigan at the end also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on November 04, 2019, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 04, 2019, 07:49:03 AM
I thought Glenn were lucky enough to win BBB, Jack McCartan probably the best player for them on the day.. Strange game plan from Kinawley didn't really attack a lot of lateral passing no one wanting to break the line until last 5 minutes and missed two goal scoring opportunities.. Shocking penalty miss from Ruairi Corrigan at the end also

Perhaps a bit harsh on Glenn who I thought were always in control (bar the missed penalty) and the better team. Yes the corrigans had plenty of ball but created very little scoring opportunities. Which is surely what you want your defensive setup to do?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 04, 2019, 12:23:08 PM
Carryduff are a very good side and they will win Ulster u21.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 04, 2019, 12:23:55 PM
Well done to Glenn yesterday btw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on November 04, 2019, 12:25:13 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on November 04, 2019, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 04, 2019, 07:49:03 AM
I thought Glenn were lucky enough to win BBB, Jack McCartan probably the best player for them on the day.. Strange game plan from Kinawley didn't really attack a lot of lateral passing no one wanting to break the line until last 5 minutes and missed two goal scoring opportunities.. Shocking penalty miss from Ruairi Corrigan at the end also

Perhaps a bit harsh on Glenn who I thought were always in control (bar the missed penalty) and the better team. Yes the corrigans had plenty of ball but created very little scoring opportunities. Which is surely what you want your defensive setup to do?

Wasn't the best game to watch no doubt about it but as far as glenn are concerned we deserved the win. Some score from matty bagnall when he came on to wrap it up.

Glenns defensive game was superb. onwards and upwards
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 04, 2019, 12:40:13 PM
   Saul now taken over the mantle as the League of Nations for the U21 competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on November 04, 2019, 12:43:53 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 04, 2019, 12:23:55 PM
Well done to Glenn yesterday btw

And Kilcoo. As a county we always support our representatives in Ulster and indeed beyond.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 04, 2019, 12:59:26 PM
I won't be supporting Kilcoo due to their behaviour this year among others and I have told Kilcoo people this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on November 04, 2019, 01:06:29 PM
I'm sure Kilcoo people are losing a lot of sleep over this. Would a free lunch in Greenans and a years subscription to The Magpie change your mind?

Obviously you can't support the county team if there are any Kilcoo players on it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 04, 2019, 01:09:41 PM
To be honest I would not support any other team except Burren. What sort of game was it?? Is it true they were ultra defensive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on November 04, 2019, 01:18:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 04, 2019, 01:09:41 PM
To be honest I would not support any other team except Burren. What sort of game was it?? Is it true they were ultra defensive.
Begrudger.....A person who tends to complain, especially about trivial or petty matters
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on November 04, 2019, 01:45:23 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 04, 2019, 02:14:03 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 04, 2019, 01:09:41 PM
What sort of game was it?? Is it true they were ultra defensive.

Only one winner in the other QFs scored more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 04, 2019, 03:16:23 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 04, 2019, 01:09:41 PM
To be honest I would not support any other team except Burren. What sort of game was it?? Is it true they were ultra defensive.

Kilcoo always in control. If anything Magherafelt showed no attacking ambition until last 5 mins. Goal was always going to be a big factor in this game and once Kilcoo scored the goal game was over 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on November 04, 2019, 07:30:06 PM
Good win for us yesterday. Delighted to get the win. Up against a Derrgonnelly team that are no pushovers either and can expect a fierce encounter with them.

Congratulations to Glenn also, great to see them marching on. Be great to see them do well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on November 04, 2019, 10:16:37 PM
Kilcoo proved me wrong - looking ahead they could get their hands on Ulster title yet. Well done to both them and Glenn, keeping the flag flying as they say.

Every year a Burren man/woman takes a right plonker of themselves. This years special award goes to Yewtree. I haven't been on in a while so your prize is a little like you, sour😂.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on November 05, 2019, 07:18:28 AM
Yes, that special award for Yewtree was well deserved , his unselfish devotion to lost causes , his continuous spouting of knowledge and expert analysis of the local game leaves him in a world that no one can get near, a time of reflection Yewtree , point gaa and soccer both going no where , your beloved Burren( who probably would like you to shut up) also wondering how do we beat the team from east down, your welcome to Ballykinlar for tea and a chat , we will supply the klineex.
There's a song that starts , cheer up sleepy yew oh what can it mean for a- I won't continue, keep up the good work see ya over in Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: paddyjohn on November 05, 2019, 11:00:05 AM
Best place to park around Pairc Esler?
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Post by: Hedgehunter on November 05, 2019, 12:38:23 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on November 05, 2019, 11:00:05 AM
Best place to park around Pairc Esler?

Probably best to park in the town and walk down as traffic getting away can be an nightmare. Public car park across the road from the front of the Buttercrane shopping centre would probably be your best bet and then a 5-10 walk down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on November 05, 2019, 08:32:04 PM
Double header then in Armagh for both Glenn and Kilcoo on Sunday the 17th...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 05, 2019, 10:27:01 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on November 05, 2019, 08:32:04 PM
Double header then in Armagh for both Glenn and Kilcoo on Sunday the 17th...
The pitch is in bits supposedly. Huring and camogie moved from there this weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 06, 2019, 01:02:36 PM
Are we definitely going to u13/15/17 etc next year? Our kids are Guinea pigs here and we are going to lose footballers rather than gain players. What clubs have the numbers to play in an u19 league along with a senior league. It's a shambles, has anything been sent to clubs to show what night games etc are on yet?? Will the u19 league be played on same day as reserves??
I think all clubs should protest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 06, 2019, 04:32:07 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 06, 2019, 01:02:36 PM
Are we definitely going to u13/15/17 etc next year? Our kids are Guinea pigs here and we are going to lose footballers rather than gain players. What clubs have the numbers to play in an u19 league along with a senior league. It's a shambles, has anything been sent to clubs to show what night games etc are on yet?? Will the u19 league be played on same day as reserves??
I think all clubs should protest.

AFAIK this has been mooted for a few years now and ratified by the clubs about a month or so ago.

Down are more or less following the guidelines from Croke Park to be fair. The problem is that from a hurling perspective is that Antrim are remaining with the old format so if we want to enter juvenile teams in Antrim it will be at different age groups. Not impossible to work around, just complicates things a bit.

I do agree with you though that one of the alleged objectives to keep youngsters involved in juvenile competitions but this U19 will do anything but as you already have highlighted not to mention lads away to university and the likes.

The thing is this is seemingly driven to prevent issues with junior cert and leaving cert exams in the South but if anything won't make a button of difference let alone here in the North where GCSE's and A levels are more or less spread over two years anyway.

Feile will remain at U14, plus I thought that it was interesting on the Paul McGirr tournament that they took the decision to invite the U15 champions and allow them to field their U16's in the two counties who already are running with the odd age groups.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on November 06, 2019, 07:00:38 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on November 05, 2019, 07:18:28 AM
Yes, that special award for Yewtree was well deserved , his unselfish devotion to lost causes , his continuous spouting of knowledge and expert analysis of the local game leaves him in a world that no one can get near, a time of reflection Yewtree , point gaa and soccer both going no where , your beloved Burren( who probably would like you to shut up) also wondering how do we beat the team from east down, your welcome to Ballykinlar for tea and a chat , we will supply the klineex.
There's a song that starts , cheer up sleepy yew oh what can it mean for a- I won't continue, keep up the good work see ya over in Ballykinlar

Here we go another from The East - don't count your chickens yet regards Ballykinler, in the papers today but we are a long way from its completion.Mark my words it will be scaled back and already we have had high level meetings with Agents about an alternative in Newry area.
On Gaelic front The League of Nations narrowly beat Burren and oh yes the 4 by 4s and Mercedes were all there cheering on the boys of Antrim and Carryduff and the other places and if a few decisions had gone Burren's way it would have been a different result.On not having a full team and missing an injured County Senior, where we are from you are not called a Senior County Player until at least 4 seasons not one! A pity Down doesn't run a championship U20 for entry into the Ulster one and have the proper representatives at the age grade.

The Ulster Championship U16 marked the introduction to Ireland the best underage team ever.This team and its mentors sent a message from South Down to the rest of Ireland and the start of a new glory years for Burren and Down.These players will backbone Down very soon.Some scoreline !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 06, 2019, 07:18:28 PM
Will you catch yourself on.

Burren will do well to get 8 of that team playing senior club football never mind for Down.  The current under 20 team have been talked up a lot through the age groups and they have regressed significantly so a lot can happen between 16 and 20.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 06, 2019, 07:20:31 PM
And will you stop with the south Down nonsense ffs.  You are making a tit of yourself and your 2 or 3 clubs you claim to be part of.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on November 06, 2019, 08:34:39 PM
Someone get yewtree that Mercedes he so desperately wants
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on November 06, 2019, 09:22:22 PM
Someone just get Yewtree a taxi for one!!! Not speaking on behalf of Burren and I think more interested in bringing bad press to Burren. More likely to be CPN.
Our U16 team are exceptional but alot of work and cohesion required to get them through to senior, we've seen alot of so called future stars disappear, but hopefully this group can be brought through and build a unit that can bring consistency at senior level.
As for Ballykinlar, it's probably the cheapest option so can see why CB went for it but its a bollox of a run but if lads want to play county football then they'll make the effort, if they don't fancy it, then it won't matter where the training ground is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on November 07, 2019, 06:20:50 AM
Before people get influenced by that dick Yewtree, drive to Ballykinlar and see what's on offer, you will be pleasantly surprised, as for Burren u16 team, I sincerely hope they are the best in Ireland but that's a bold statement and a heavy tag to place on any juvenile team, the secret is not getting a good team at u16 level it's getting them through to senior level, there will be a drop of, boys will find other distractions , I hope there are a few county players but genuine Burren people know few will make senior footballers and fewer senior county players, there's a few decent prospects in east down so with the Ballykinlar project and the emergence of talent, the prospects for Down football is on the up.
By the way Yewtree , Carryduff u21 are all from Carryduff, there are a few amalgamations and fair play it gives players from clubs who don't have an u21 team football, those players are humble enough to play with another club but you would have them play none , your a pompous a hole who I believe is a soccer head with no allegiance or loyalty to any south club, a true Gael wouldn't spout the verbal diarrhoea you do- go watch infield you deserve each other
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on November 07, 2019, 10:34:07 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on November 06, 2019, 09:22:22 PM
Someone just get Yewtree a taxi for one!!! Not speaking on behalf of Burren and I think more interested in bringing bad press to Burren. More likely to be CPN.
Our U16 team are exceptional but alot of work and cohesion required to get them through to senior, we've seen alot of so called future stars disappear, but hopefully this group can be brought through and build a unit that can bring consistency at senior level.
As for Ballykinlar, it's probably the cheapest option so can see why CB went for it but its a bollox of a run but if lads want to play county football then they'll make the effort, if they don't fancy it, then it won't matter where the training ground is.

Forevergreen, am I right in saying Burren had 2 teams entered the league at U16 level this year? That must introduce a whole other set of problems. Assume the same will be the case for the U17s next year? It would be difficult keeping them circa 50 lads through to U19s let alone seniors!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on November 07, 2019, 11:48:48 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on November 06, 2019, 09:22:22 PM
Someone just get Yewtree a taxi for one!!! Not speaking on behalf of Burren and I think more interested in bringing bad press to Burren. More likely to be CPN.
Our U16 team are exceptional but alot of work and cohesion required to get them through to senior, we've seen alot of so called future stars disappear, but hopefully this group can be brought through and build a unit that can bring consistency at senior level.
As for Ballykinlar, it's probably the cheapest option so can see why CB went for it but its a bollox of a run but if lads want to play county football then they'll make the effort, if they don't fancy it, then it won't matter where the training ground is.
I think you will find he's a Burren man, nothing to do with the point, read all his posts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 07, 2019, 01:10:28 PM
Likely to be from neither, he gets the reaction on here that he sets out to do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 07, 2019, 01:18:12 PM
Steven Poacher to be the next Bryansford manager!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 07, 2019, 01:55:24 PM
Quote from: Targetman on November 07, 2019, 01:18:12 PM
Steven Poacher to be the next Bryansford manager!!
Sweet Jes-s.Is there no end to the lunacy of Clubs to engage a clown like him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on November 07, 2019, 04:03:08 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 07, 2019, 01:55:24 PM
Quote from: Targetman on November 07, 2019, 01:18:12 PM
Steven Poacher to be the next Bryansford manager!!
Sweet Jes-s.Is there no end to the lunacy of Clubs to engage a clown like him?
I guess next years East Down derby Bryansford v Loughinisland will be an interesting defensive game 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on November 07, 2019, 08:35:42 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on November 07, 2019, 10:34:07 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on November 06, 2019, 09:22:22 PM
Someone just get Yewtree a taxi for one!!! Not speaking on behalf of Burren and I think more interested in bringing bad press to Burren. More likely to be CPN.
Our U16 team are exceptional but alot of work and cohesion required to get them through to senior, we've seen alot of so called future stars disappear, but hopefully this group can be brought through and build a unit that can bring consistency at senior level.
As for Ballykinlar, it's probably the cheapest option so can see why CB went for it but its a bollox of a run but if lads want to play county football then they'll make the effort, if they don't fancy it, then it won't matter where the training ground is.

Forevergreen, am I right in saying Burren had 2 teams entered the league at U16 level this year? That must introduce a whole other set of problems. Assume the same will be the case for the U17s next year? It would be difficult keeping them circa 50 lads through to U19s let alone seniors!

Yes 2 teams in the League. Serious commitment and great work from a big management team to be able to work with them all. But definitely will require same again at u17s and then to try and integrate them moving forward into senior. But with drop offs and travelling etc it should give them greater numbers to pull from than they would ordinarily get in smaller playing groups.
Getting them to achieve success at senior level is the ultimate aim but they seem to be a very good group of lads in general.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 08, 2019, 10:00:01 AM
Reading horror stories of the u19 league in Monaghan and how it fell on its arse last year due to constraints with senior team. I think we have been sold a dud here and it seems clubs in Ulster are voting against it now. There was 8 teams in the ACMFL in 2019 and I would say at a push that only Burren, Mayobridge, Clonduff, Carryduff and Kilcoo would definitely be able to partake in an u19 league in 2020. I hope clubs can push something true at convention to leave age grades as it is, there is no paper or framework out on this yet so I think it should be stopped. 2 years to get ready for this changeover and nothing in print yet! And we complain about brexit! Does anyone involved in club committees or county board level know what's going on with this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 08, 2019, 10:08:35 AM
Quote from: downjim on November 08, 2019, 10:00:01 AM
Reading horror stories of the u19 league in Monaghan and how it fell on its arse last year due to constraints with senior team. I think we have been sold a dud here and it seems clubs in Ulster are voting against it now. There was 8 teams in the ACMFL in 2019 and I would say at a push that only Burren, Mayobridge, Clonduff, Carryduff and Kilcoo would definitely be able to partake in an u19 league in 2020. I hope clubs can push something true at convention to leave age grades as it is, there is no paper or framework out on this yet so I think it should be stopped. 2 years to get ready for this changeover and nothing it print yet! And we complain about brexit! Does anyone involved in club committees or county board level know what's going on with this?


Devil's advocate.

Why do we need an under 19 league?

Why can't 18 year olds play B football until they're ready for the step up, instead of being pulled in two directions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 08, 2019, 10:16:09 AM
Did Monaghan and Down get money for this trial a few years ago or was a dreaming that. I am genuinely worried about this and we are peddling with our future players here. I feel sorry for the young lads who will have to post two years at their youngest age. Where is the development there? I would imagine that clubs are in the process of reviewing 2019 and getting into position to get ready for 2020, but clubs are in limbo here or maybe I am wrong? Does anyone know wtf is going on?
How many clubs are concerned of the changeover?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on November 08, 2019, 10:28:36 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 08, 2019, 10:08:35 AM
Quote from: downjim on November 08, 2019, 10:00:01 AM
Reading horror stories of the u19 league in Monaghan and how it fell on its arse last year due to constraints with senior team. I think we have been sold a dud here and it seems clubs in Ulster are voting against it now. There was 8 teams in the ACMFL in 2019 and I would say at a push that only Burren, Mayobridge, Clonduff, Carryduff and Kilcoo would definitely be able to partake in an u19 league in 2020. I hope clubs can push something true at convention to leave age grades as it is, there is no paper or framework out on this yet so I think it should be stopped. 2 years to get ready for this changeover and nothing it print yet! And we complain about brexit! Does anyone involved in club committees or county board level know what's going on with this?


Devil's advocate.

Why do we need an under 19 league?

Why can't 18 year olds play B football until they're ready for the step up, instead of being pulled in two directions?

That would be my thinking on it and I know the hurling clubs in the county are thinking like that. There's a lot of demands at that age, sporting wise and socially too.

Put some effort back into making reserve football a step towards playing senior. Personally I've never thought that playing against your own age group really prepares you for playing adult football but different people/clubs will look differently at that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 08, 2019, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on November 08, 2019, 10:28:36 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 08, 2019, 10:08:35 AM
Quote from: downjim on November 08, 2019, 10:00:01 AM
Reading horror stories of the u19 league in Monaghan and how it fell on its arse last year due to constraints with senior team. I think we have been sold a dud here and it seems clubs in Ulster are voting against it now. There was 8 teams in the ACMFL in 2019 and I would say at a push that only Burren, Mayobridge, Clonduff, Carryduff and Kilcoo would definitely be able to partake in an u19 league in 2020. I hope clubs can push something true at convention to leave age grades as it is, there is no paper or framework out on this yet so I think it should be stopped. 2 years to get ready for this changeover and nothing it print yet! And we complain about brexit! Does anyone involved in club committees or county board level know what's going on with this?


Devil's advocate.

Why do we need an under 19 league?

Why can't 18 year olds play B football until they're ready for the step up, instead of being pulled in two directions?

That would be my thinking on it and I know the hurling clubs in the county are thinking like that. There's a lot of demands at that age, sporting wise and socially too.

Put some effort back into making reserve football a step towards playing senior. Personally I've never thought that playing against your own age group really prepares you for playing adult football but different people/clubs will look differently at that.

any lad in our club who turns 18, ie is no longer U17 will automatically play adult hurling, that's just the way it is as we've poor numbers for a year or two.
No big change in that regard for us, but there's no denying that there's a drop off on lads coming out of the juvenile ranks not playing adult hurling and this new format expedites that by a year...

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 08, 2019, 10:52:03 AM
A simple change would have been moving minor football to a Saturday  evening and reserves to a Tuesday evening. Seniors train Monday and Wednesday so it won't affect numbers at training. Saturday evening for minor football would also mean there would be no need for an exam break. I have yet to hear of a good argument for the changeover and I am fearful we are going to be the only one of the few screwed over by this. Our participation in reserve league football needs to be looked at. 20 odd years ago when I was playing football there was over ten clubs in Down with 3 teams, now clubs are struggling to field a seconds team. We are doing something wrong and I think this will make it worse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on November 08, 2019, 01:47:18 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 08, 2019, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on November 08, 2019, 10:28:36 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 08, 2019, 10:08:35 AM
Quote from: downjim on November 08, 2019, 10:00:01 AM
Reading horror stories of the u19 league in Monaghan and how it fell on its arse last year due to constraints with senior team. I think we have been sold a dud here and it seems clubs in Ulster are voting against it now. There was 8 teams in the ACMFL in 2019 and I would say at a push that only Burren, Mayobridge, Clonduff, Carryduff and Kilcoo would definitely be able to partake in an u19 league in 2020. I hope clubs can push something true at convention to leave age grades as it is, there is no paper or framework out on this yet so I think it should be stopped. 2 years to get ready for this changeover and nothing it print yet! And we complain about brexit! Does anyone involved in club committees or county board level know what's going on with this?


Devil's advocate.

Why do we need an under 19 league?

Why can't 18 year olds play B football until they're ready for the step up, instead of being pulled in two directions?

That would be my thinking on it and I know the hurling clubs in the county are thinking like that. There's a lot of demands at that age, sporting wise and socially too.

Put some effort back into making reserve football a step towards playing senior. Personally I've never thought that playing against your own age group really prepares you for playing adult football but different people/clubs will look differently at that.

any lad in our club who turns 18, ie is no longer U17 will automatically play adult hurling, that's just the way it is as we've poor numbers for a year or two.
No big change in that regard for us, but there's no denying that there's a drop off on lads coming out of the juvenile ranks not playing adult hurling and this new format expedites that by a year...

I know what you're saying, there's a danger that after finishing at u17 there'll be a perceived jump into the senior squad, whereas at the minute they're at least crossing over between minors/reserves/seniors at a point, be it only for that last season.

On the other end of the spectrum, I actually think the U7, U9 and U11 groupings might work better for development because the ages grouped together at that point works well running along side the primary school classes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 08, 2019, 05:33:51 PM
Downjim the current football nights (can't speak for hurling) make a lot of sense. More sense than your proposal.

Move minors (u18s) to a Saturday and you run into conflicts everywhere:

- senior football Friday night, so back-to-back games for better players, and even for weaker players at weaker clubs.

- schools football matches and training on Saturdays.

- Down juvenile training and matches on Saturdays.

- afaik hurling matches on Saturdays and Sundays.

Plus part time work.

I don't think you've really thought this big idea through tbh.

——

Re dropout rates. I don't really see how u18 to u17 will make any difference. Better players and interested players will be training with their senior team in their u18 year regardless. It now becomes a formalised thing surely in most clubs; step up and train with the adults once you leave u17. Those that don't have the interest at 17 are not often going to get the taste as a result of one more juvenile season.

If anything it could see a larger group of players getting exposure to the positives of adult training while still living with their mammies and daddies, and by the time they head to uni, it should be a part of their routine.

Obviously these lads need football matches. But with reserves now positioned on a Saturday evening, those who aren't getting football elsewhere have a pretty plum slot in the week.

Clubs should really throw their weight into strong seconds football rather than u19s imho.

It's not that long ago that reserve football was littered with 15 and 16 year olds. Asking a 17 year old to "man up" to this level is hardly a daunting proposition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on November 09, 2019, 04:39:34 PM
Any word on the manager merry go round for next season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 09, 2019, 05:21:19 PM
Bridge men heading to Stone and Saval, Clarke and poacher to Ford, I also heard that Moran is leaving Kilcoo when campaign is over? Mickey Mcveigh to take the town. Liatriom to take a kilcoo man to get them back up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on November 09, 2019, 08:17:56 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 09, 2019, 05:21:19 PM
Bridge men heading to Stone and Saval, Clarke and poacher to Ford, I also heard that Moran is leaving Kilcoo when campaign is over? Mickey Mcveigh to take the town. Liatriom to take a kilcoo man to get them back up

Paddy Hardy isn't a Kilcoo man. Gearoid Adams going to Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on November 10, 2019, 07:42:25 PM
clownjim must be stuck in traffic on the journey home from Dromore. Big win for Burren today in the final of the Paul McGirr tournament.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 10, 2019, 08:53:31 PM
Tradition and Ulster's.. the Burren way
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on November 10, 2019, 10:43:55 PM
What a day, not long in but must say if Carlsberg did days this would be a top one.We destroy the blue Mancs and Burren get another Ulster title , not by 1 point or 2 but winning an Ulster Final by about 20.Another Paul McGirr not so long after Conor Cox lead Burren few years back.A shame there is no All Ireland series for these young lads.This is a testament to work done at Under 6 ,Carrick School ,u14 and now the management this year.Ar aghaigh le cheile.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 11, 2019, 10:54:24 AM
Yew tree I see that team that won all before them were beaten out the gate by Carryduff last week and Liatrom yesterday in the B competition. Nothing new with Burren cleaning up at underage then a massive drop out as they have that many numbers at senior level lots of lads don't get playing. That's not a criticism by the way it's facts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on November 13, 2019, 10:33:24 PM
Quote from: Godsown on November 13, 2019, 09:56:04 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on November 13, 2019, 07:28:25 PM
See S Poacher writing in the Irish News today. What a man, did Down miss a trick in not appointing him as senior manager? He certainly can talk the talk bit has not yet demonstrated he can walk the walk. Hear he is going to Bryansford next year, any truth in this?

Irish News, Twitter, Tele,  Newry Reporter, Gaelic Life and all his fan club have been hyping the profile boss. Publicity, publicity publicity. Results zero!

Maybe some of you armchair coaches and pundits might post up some of your own achievements and results. Or publish them in one of your columns in the local media.

No such thing as bad publicity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on November 13, 2019, 10:38:39 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 13, 2019, 10:29:30 PM
Did i read Wee James has him in as coach for the Down Minors?

He is indeed.

Should liven things up at least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 14, 2019, 09:37:35 AM
He won a junior vocational schools in 2007.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 14, 2019, 02:14:20 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 14, 2019, 09:37:35 AM
He won a junior vocational schools in 2007.

..and boy hasnt he reminded us about it ever since.
A media darling.
He shed a tear when he left Carlow dont ye know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on November 14, 2019, 08:39:10 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on November 14, 2019, 02:14:20 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 14, 2019, 09:37:35 AM
He won a junior vocational schools in 2007.

..and boy hasnt he reminded us about it ever since.
A media darling.
He shed a tear when he left Carlow dont ye know.

Quote from: downjim on November 14, 2019, 09:37:35 AM
He won a junior vocational schools in 2007.

The boy is just so passionate, I remember him winning games on his own.I have been told he would walk on hot coals for his club with the heart of a lion.A serious man to have on your team.He just cares so much for Newry and Mitchells. I'm led to believe the unseen work he has put into his beloved Mitchells would put any volunteer to shame.He just cares so much and loves to give back to Newry.
Also some say he is very big on equality issues and a progressive on social issues.Down are so lucky to have him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 15, 2019, 11:37:19 AM
Would be great to see Glenn win at the weekend but think they are up against it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on November 15, 2019, 12:10:01 PM
See the div3 league fixtures are out. Wee weekend to Tullamore in the offing  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on November 15, 2019, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 15, 2019, 11:37:19 AM
Would be great to see Glenn win at the weekend but think they are up against it!
it would be great to see both teams win at the weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on November 16, 2019, 11:40:34 AM
Adh Mór to Shamrocks today in the Ulster Hurling final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on November 16, 2019, 02:27:53 PM
Best of luck to all Down teams playing this weekend.
Any word on what new players have been called up to the county panel for McKenna cup this year?  Bound to be back doing some kind of sessions now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 16, 2019, 03:53:19 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on November 15, 2019, 12:10:01 PM
See the div3 league fixtures are out. Wee weekend to Tullamore in the offing  :)
Could you post them Aristo. I dont see them anywhere. Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 16, 2019, 03:56:36 PM
Some good u21 games this weekend. Drumgath v CPN should be a cracker
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on November 16, 2019, 08:03:36 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 16, 2019, 03:56:36 PM
Some good u21 games this weekend. Drumgath v CPN should be a cracker
Drumgath??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on November 16, 2019, 09:00:50 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 16, 2019, 03:56:36 PM
Some good u21 games this weekend. Drumgath v CPN should be a cracker
Who is in the other semi final? Burren won Ulster at this age at minors so they are obviously one team who's the other?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on November 17, 2019, 09:45:06 AM
Good luck to glen and kilcoo today in their semi finals
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on November 17, 2019, 12:35:10 PM
All the best to our men and also to Glenn in both games today. Big efforts required and hope they do the county proud and there are 2 down teams progressing to Ulster final day.

#UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 17, 2019, 03:40:57 PM
Can anything be more negative than Kilcoo style of football, Mickey Moran makes poacher look like Micko
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on November 17, 2019, 04:17:44 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 17, 2019, 03:40:57 PM
Can anything be more negative than Kilcoo style of football, Mickey Moran makes poacher look like Micko
Correct me if i'm wrong but has any team scored more than Kilcco in a game of championship football this season? Nothing negative about outscoring every opponent
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 17, 2019, 04:45:03 PM
"There's nothing to do in Kilcoo except going to mass, having a few sheep and playing football " Aaron Brannigan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 17, 2019, 05:42:08 PM
Glenties are a fairly defensive team so we're in for a real cracker of a final, Kilcoo to win by 1!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on November 17, 2019, 06:17:25 PM
1-0  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 17, 2019, 07:21:05 PM
U21 A final Carryduff v Mayobridge

B  Clonduff v winner of Bredagh/Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on November 17, 2019, 07:24:38 PM
Delighted with the result for the club tonight. We will absolutely not be taking anything for granted coming up against Glenties. We seen what kind of game plan they follow and bossed Clontibret so we are expecting a fierce tough game against them.

That was a serious effort from our men and I'm bursting with pride. They've done the village proud.

#UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on November 17, 2019, 07:26:22 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 17, 2019, 03:40:57 PM
Can anything be more negative than Kilcoo style of football, Mickey Moran makes poacher look like Micko
Yeah there is....your posts. That must be a very large pill for you to swallow. Watch you dont choke on it. Along with those sour (now rotten) grapes. Not pleasant football to watch but they wont care.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on November 17, 2019, 07:51:18 PM
Great stuff from Kilcoo; indomitable spirit, those Branagans in defence are formidable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 17, 2019, 08:51:29 PM
Fair play to kilcoo again, outstanding defending, and some great flair going forward.
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Post by: Mourne Rover on November 17, 2019, 10:04:07 PM
This may not be the best Kilcoo side of the last decade but it is packed with effective performers and it will be a shame if more of them do not get at least the opportunity to see what they can do in a Down jersey. All five Branagans are county standard players, although Aidan and Niall are at the veteran stage and Eugene may be too lightly built. However, Aaron was again outstanding today and Dabs is close to the same level. If they finally get an Ulster medal, every effort should be made to recruit them for the National League. If they again turn down the invitation, which sadly seems likely, the next step should be getting Ryan McEvoy and Dylan Ward on board.  The `us against the world' notion will only take Kilcoo so far, and their best talents need to get their chance on the biggest stage.
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Post by: snoopdog on November 17, 2019, 11:19:11 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on November 17, 2019, 10:04:07 PM
This may not be the best Kilcoo side of the last decade but it is packed with effective performers and it will be a shame if more of them do not get at least the opportunity to see what they can do in a Down jersey. All five Branagans are county standard players, although Aidan and Niall are at the veteran stage and Eugene may be too lightly built. However, Aaron was again outstanding today and Dabs is close to the same level. If they finally get an Ulster medal, every effort should be made to recruit them for the National League. If they again turn down the invitation, which sadly seems likely, the next step should be getting Ryan McEvoy and Dylan Ward on board.  The `us against the world' notion will only take Kilcoo so far, and their best talents need to get their chance on the biggest stage.
If Kilcoo win Ulster will any of their players be availabe for county. I would assume club would take priority. Best of luck to them in final. Hard luck to Glenn today.
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Post by: thewobbler on November 17, 2019, 11:34:07 PM
Brilliant stuff from Kilcoo today. By right any team that suffers such a wipeout at midfield should be beaten out of the park, yet they always looked comfortable. Hopefully they finish the job now against Glenties.

The midfield thing kind of makes me wonder (again) about the usefulness of stats. Every club has men punching furiously into iPads throughout every match. Today's game would suggest there's little to be gained from precise knowledge of the breakdown of kickouts.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on November 18, 2019, 08:56:10 AM
Woobler I think you will find that the fact Derrygonelly hadn't 1 decent forward was the reason as to why that midfield dominance didn't show on the scoreboard. At that level I have never seen a worse forward unit. 7 scorable frees all missed along with those 2 goal chances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 18, 2019, 09:32:43 AM
I seen better forwards in the east Down reserve league ffs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 18, 2019, 09:48:15 AM
Fecking begrudgers . Kilcoo are in an Ulster Final on merit. Get over it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 18, 2019, 10:45:37 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 18, 2019, 08:56:10 AM
Woobler I think you will find that the fact Derrygonelly hadn't 1 decent forward was the reason as to why that midfield dominance didn't show on the scoreboard. At that level I have never seen a worse forward unit. 7 scorable frees all missed along with those 2 goal chances.

These are the same forwards that won an SFC and saw off the champions of Tyrone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on November 18, 2019, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 17, 2019, 04:45:03 PM
"There's nothing to do in Kilcoo except going to mass, having a few sheep and playing football " Aaron Brannigan
All the praying is working
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 18, 2019, 11:11:55 AM
Quote from: elk on November 18, 2019, 10:52:28 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 17, 2019, 04:45:03 PM
"There's nothing to do in Kilcoo except going to mass, having a few sheep and playing football " Aaron Brannigan
All the praying is working

There must be a team confession after each game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on November 18, 2019, 01:45:35 PM
Quote from: Godsown on November 18, 2019, 09:48:15 AM
Fecking begrudgers . Kilcoo are in an Ulster Final on merit. Get over it.
Trust me they CANT and WONT get over it. Its hate any club but your own for these people.
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Post by: Sandstorm on November 18, 2019, 02:09:53 PM
How refreshing to hear any young man emphasise the importance of mass to him in an era when most don't go or would be loath to announce that they did go on national TV. Great interview.
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Post by: supersub on November 18, 2019, 03:43:12 PM
While it is a good sound bite 'nothing else to do in Kilcoo...etc' in my opinion they are doing themselves a disservice. Surely 15 years ago there was also nothing else to do in Kilcoo? But they weren't winning anything. It's the serious hard yards the club have put in to get them to where they are today. Regardless of what else goes on. Success breads success and they have built something to keep working on. Maybe now yes it is good that there is nothing else to do as such, so there are no distractions, but it all had to change at some point.
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Post by: Nanderson on November 18, 2019, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 18, 2019, 03:43:12 PM
While it is a good sound bite 'nothing else to do in Kilcoo...etc' in my opinion they are doing themselves a disservice. Surely 15 years ago there was also nothing else to do in Kilcoo? But they weren't winning anything. It's the serious hard yards the club have put in to get them to where they are today. Regardless of what else goes on. Success breads success and they have built something to keep working on. Maybe now yes it is good that there is nothing else to do as such, so there are no distractions, but it all had to change at some point.
Always reminds me of a Joe Brolly quote about Jim McGuinness bringing in a lot of the U21 Donegal team that won Ulster and were runners up in AI in 2010. 'You can't breed winners with losers'. Kilcoo had a great set of underage teams in the late 00's and they managed to mix it perfectly with the more experianced players like Laverty, Greenan, McEvoys, etc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 18, 2019, 06:07:07 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on November 18, 2019, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 18, 2019, 03:43:12 PM
While it is a good sound bite 'nothing else to do in Kilcoo...etc' in my opinion they are doing themselves a disservice. Surely 15 years ago there was also nothing else to do in Kilcoo? But they weren't winning anything. It's the serious hard yards the club have put in to get them to where they are today. Regardless of what else goes on. Success breads success and they have built something to keep working on. Maybe now yes it is good that there is nothing else to do as such, so there are no distractions, but it all had to change at some point.
Always reminds me of a Joe Brolly quote about Jim McGuinness bringing in a lot of the U21 Donegal team that won Ulster and were runners up in AI in 2010. 'You can't breed winners with losers'. Kilcoo had a great set of underage teams in the late 00's and they managed to mix it perfectly with the more experianced players like Laverty, Greenan, McEvoys, etc

Rewind another 15+ years on that.

The start of it all was the early to mid 90s, going from Div3 to Div1 in 2 years in the mid to late 90s was off the back of the initial push - and beating Burren first time out in Div 1 (in Burren) was a massive confidence boost that had everyone not just believing, but knowing they were of a standard good enough to win in senior football.

But the bulk of that generation had a long hard slog and didn't quite make it in the SFC. Mayobridge frequently being the dastardly culprits. Many (even of the 1998 minor team) were gone by 2009 before eventually the Frank O'Hare was won. The subsequent SFC winning teams 2012- has been back boned by the U-14 AI Feile winning squad of 2006.

But without the work done in the early and mid-90s, nothing of what came after would have been possible. Even in the 80s getting the pitch. That was the foundations everything else was built on. There is a helluva lot owed to a lot of men (some now sadly gone) that put in serious hours on and off the pitch to get the club to where it is today.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 18, 2019, 06:15:55 PM
Snoopdog asks whether any Kilcoo players would be available for Down if they are involved in the All Ireland series. However, the club final is due to be played at Croke Park on January 19, 2020. Even if they take a break for some weeks, they would only miss the first couple of NFL fixtures. Getting out of D3 this season is vital for Down, and we need the strongest possible squad for the main games. A case can be made for several Kilcoo representatives so hopefully a diplomatic initiative is under way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on November 18, 2019, 11:57:40 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on November 18, 2019, 06:07:07 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on November 18, 2019, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 18, 2019, 03:43:12 PM
While it is a good sound bite 'nothing else to do in Kilcoo...etc' in my opinion they are doing themselves a disservice. Surely 15 years ago there was also nothing else to do in Kilcoo? But they weren't winning anything. It's the serious hard yards the club have put in to get them to where they are today. Regardless of what else goes on. Success breads success and they have built something to keep working on. Maybe now yes it is good that there is nothing else to do as such, so there are no distractions, but it all had to change at some point.
Always reminds me of a Joe Brolly quote about Jim McGuinness bringing in a lot of the U21 Donegal team that won Ulster and were runners up in AI in 2010. 'You can't breed winners with losers'. Kilcoo had a great set of underage teams in the late 00's and they managed to mix it perfectly with the more experianced players like Laverty, Greenan, McEvoys, etc

Rewind another 15+ years on that.

The start of it all was the early to mid 90s, going from Div3 to Div1 in 2 years in the mid to late 90s was off the back of the initial push - and beating Burren first time out in Div 1 (in Burren) was a massive confidence boost that had everyone not just believing, but knowing they were of a standard good enough to win in senior football.

But the bulk of that generation had a long hard slog and didn't quite make it in the SFC. Mayobridge frequently being the dastardly culprits. Many (even of the 1998 minor team) were gone by 2009 before eventually the Frank O'Hare was won. The subsequent SFC winning teams 2012- has been back boned by the U-14 AI Feile winning squad of 2006.

But without the work done in the early and mid-90s, nothing of what came after would have been possible. Even in the 80s getting the pitch. That was the foundations everything else was built on. There is a helluva lot owed to a lot of men (some now sadly gone) that put in serious hours on and off the pitch to get the club to where it is today.

I was at the game in Hilltown, in an almost unplayable downpour, when the changing of the guard happened. Mayobridge were champions and huge favourites, and were cruising, 5 pts ahead with a few minutes to go. Kilcoo were awarded a 21 yd free, Lavery took it quickly and set up a goal. Suddenly the gap was only 2 pts, the Bridge panicked and Kilcoo won out.
I was reminded of it yesterday, all these years later; Lavery's speed of thought with the quick free, was the crucial goal. He really is a one-off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on November 19, 2019, 05:47:17 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on November 18, 2019, 06:07:07 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on November 18, 2019, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 18, 2019, 03:43:12 PM
While it is a good sound bite 'nothing else to do in Kilcoo...etc' in my opinion they are doing themselves a disservice. Surely 15 years ago there was also nothing else to do in Kilcoo? But they weren't winning anything. It's the serious hard yards the club have put in to get them to where they are today. Regardless of what else goes on. Success breads success and they have built something to keep working on. Maybe now yes it is good that there is nothing else to do as such, so there are no distractions, but it all had to change at some point.
Always reminds me of a Joe Brolly quote about Jim McGuinness bringing in a lot of the U21 Donegal team that won Ulster and were runners up in AI in 2010. 'You can't breed winners with losers'. Kilcoo had a great set of underage teams in the late 00's and they managed to mix it perfectly with the more experianced players like Laverty, Greenan, McEvoys, etc

Rewind another 15+ years on that.

The start of it all was the early to mid 90s, going from Div3 to Div1 in 2 years in the mid to late 90s was off the back of the initial push - and beating Burren first time out in Div 1 (in Burren) was a massive confidence boost that had everyone not just believing, but knowing they were of a standard good enough to win in senior football.

But the bulk of that generation had a long hard slog and didn't quite make it in the SFC. Mayobridge frequently being the dastardly culprits. Many (even of the 1998 minor team) were gone by 2009 before eventually the Frank O'Hare was won. The subsequent SFC winning teams 2012- has been back boned by the U-14 AI Feile winning squad of 2006.

But without the work done in the early and mid-90s, nothing of what came after would have been possible. Even in the 80s getting the pitch. That was the foundations everything else was built on. There is a helluva lot owed to a lot of men (some now sadly gone) that put in serious hours on and off the pitch to get the club to where it is today.

Goosebumps reading that. Great post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on November 20, 2019, 08:28:44 PM
Quote from: Lotto on November 20, 2019, 07:52:19 PM
Quote from: befair on November 18, 2019, 11:57:40 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on November 18, 2019, 06:07:07 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on November 18, 2019, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 18, 2019, 03:43:12 PM
While it is a good sound bite 'nothing else to do in Kilcoo...etc' in my opinion they are doing themselves a disservice. Surely 15 years ago there was also nothing else to do in Kilcoo? But they weren't winning anything. It's the serious hard yards the club have put in to get them to where they are today. Regardless of what else goes on. Success breads success and they have built something to keep working on. Maybe now yes it is good that there is nothing else to do as such, so there are no distractions, but it all had to change at some point.
Always reminds me of a Joe Brolly quote about Jim McGuinness bringing in a lot of the U21 Donegal team that won Ulster and were runners up in AI in 2010. 'You can't breed winners with losers'. Kilcoo had a great set of underage teams in the late 00's and they managed to mix it perfectly with the more experianced players like Laverty, Greenan, McEvoys, etc

Rewind another 15+ years on that.

The start of it all was the early to mid 90s, going from Div3 to Div1 in 2 years in the mid to late 90s was off the back of the initial push - and beating Burren first time out in Div 1 (in Burren) was a massive confidence boost that had everyone not just believing, but knowing they were of a standard good enough to win in senior football.

But the bulk of that generation had a long hard slog and didn't quite make it in the SFC. Mayobridge frequently being the dastardly culprits. Many (even of the 1998 minor team) were gone by 2009 before eventually the Frank O'Hare was won. The subsequent SFC winning teams 2012- has been back boned by the U-14 AI Feile winning squad of 2006.

But without the work done in the early and mid-90s, nothing of what came after would have been possible. Even in the 80s getting the pitch. That was the foundations everything else was built on. There is a helluva lot owed to a lot of men (some now sadly gone) that put in serious hours on and off the pitch to get the club to where it is today.

I was at the game in Hilltown, in an almost unplayable downpour, when the changing of the guard happened. Mayobridge were champions and huge favourites, and were cruising, 5 pts ahead with a few minutes to go. Kilcoo were awarded a 21 yd free, Lavery took it quickly and set up a goal. Suddenly the gap was only 2 pts, the Bridge panicked and Kilcoo won out.
I was reminded of it yesterday, all these years later; Lavery's speed of thought with the quick free, was the crucial goal. He really is a one-off.


You conveniently forget that not long after this this same individual was apparently told to get the f**k out of Kilcoo, people have very short memories of what he did among his own people.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/242/no_shit_sherlock.gif)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on November 20, 2019, 11:36:48 PM
I don't know the lad, only watched him over many years, and I appreciate what a wonderful player he is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on November 21, 2019, 02:02:13 PM
Not long now to Christmas and season of goodwill.That club from The East are in Ulster Final but as an act of goodwill and taking into account they are near border of South I feel we should take them in as our own as there are more like us in their outlook on football and commitment than those deep in The East.So good luck to Kilcoo in the final and let the whole county get behind them.
We mightn't always like getting beat by them but you gotta admire them.But 2020 it will back to the usual and they will not win Championship.This is the end of this period of profile for them.
Any word on Senior County Squad , any new faces in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 21, 2019, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: yewtree on November 21, 2019, 02:02:13 PM
Not long now to Christmas and season of goodwill.That club from The East are in Ulster Final but as an act of goodwill and taking into account they are near border of South I feel we should take them in as our own as there are more like us in their outlook on football and commitment than those deep in The East.So good luck to Kilcoo in the final and let the whole county get behind them.
We mightn't always like getting beat by them but you gotta admire them.But 2020 it will back to the usual and they will not win Championship.This is the end of this period of profile for them.
Any word on Senior County Squad , any new faces in?
Spewtree,Any chance of a spot of hibernation for you for a few months?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on November 21, 2019, 04:04:01 PM
Quote from: yewtree on November 21, 2019, 02:02:13 PM
Not long now to Christmas and season of goodwill.That club from The East are in Ulster Final but as an act of goodwill and taking into account they are near border of South I feel we should take them in as our own as there are more like us in their outlook on football and commitment than those deep in The East.So good luck to Kilcoo in the final and let the whole county get behind them.
We mightn't always like getting beat by them but you gotta admire them.But 2020 it will back to the usual and they will not win Championship.This is the end of this period of profile for them.
Any word on Senior County Squad , any new faces in?

A couple of Glenn men in..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on November 21, 2019, 04:58:37 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on November 21, 2019, 04:04:01 PM
Quote from: yewtree on November 21, 2019, 02:02:13 PM
Not long now to Christmas and season of goodwill.That club from The East are in Ulster Final but as an act of goodwill and taking into account they are near border of South I feel we should take them in as our own as there are more like us in their outlook on football and commitment than those deep in The East.So good luck to Kilcoo in the final and let the whole county get behind them.
We mightn't always like getting beat by them but you gotta admire them.But 2020 it will back to the usual and they will not win Championship.This is the end of this period of profile for them.
Any word on Senior County Squad , any new faces in?

A couple of Glenn men in..
Ross McGarry CPN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on November 21, 2019, 11:43:02 PM
Has anyone got the squad list, or a link?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on November 22, 2019, 01:17:43 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on November 21, 2019, 04:04:01 PM
Quote from: yewtree on November 21, 2019, 02:02:13 PM
Not long now to Christmas and season of goodwill.That club from The East are in Ulster Final but as an act of goodwill and taking into account they are near border of South I feel we should take them in as our own as there are more like us in their outlook on football and commitment than those deep in The East.So good luck to Kilcoo in the final and let the whole county get behind them.
We mightn't always like getting beat by them but you gotta admire them.But 2020 it will back to the usual and they will not win Championship.This is the end of this period of profile for them.
Any word on Senior County Squad , any new faces in?

A couple of Glenn men in..

Who's in from Glenn?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 22, 2019, 01:34:36 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on November 21, 2019, 10:15:42 PM
Yewtree you are a complete Richard head with a massive chip on your shoulder, Ross McGarry as good a club footballer that he is, won't make it as a senior county footballer, been tried before didn't cut it, with devoted gaels like yourself point will do well again next year, by the way clubs from the east won divisions 1,2 and 4
SFC , JFC, MFC so do yourself a favour and ssshh

Richard head.  :D :D, sorry i laughed out loud at that. Havent heard it in a while.

Also best of Luck to Kilcoo in he final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on November 23, 2019, 04:33:16 PM
Quote from: general on November 22, 2019, 01:17:43 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on November 21, 2019, 04:04:01 PM
Quote from: yewtree on November 21, 2019, 02:02:13 PM
Not long now to Christmas and season of goodwill.That club from The East are in Ulster Final but as an act of goodwill and taking into account they are near border of South I feel we should take them in as our own as there are more like us in their outlook on football and commitment than those deep in The East.So good luck to Kilcoo in the final and let the whole county get behind them.
We mightn't always like getting beat by them but you gotta admire them.But 2020 it will back to the usual and they will not win Championship.This is the end of this period of profile for them.
Any word on Senior County Squad , any new faces in?

A couple of Glenn men in..

Who's in from Glenn?

John O'Hare and Jack McCartan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on November 24, 2019, 04:14:06 PM
Another county title goes to the east today..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 24, 2019, 04:43:24 PM
You are as bad as him !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on November 24, 2019, 04:45:36 PM
Any word on who played in challenge game v Kildare yesterday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 24, 2019, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on November 24, 2019, 04:14:06 PM
Another county title goes to the east today..

Warrenpoint would be favourites for the Set Dancing all the same
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on November 25, 2019, 12:44:27 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on November 23, 2019, 04:33:16 PM
Quote from: general on November 22, 2019, 01:17:43 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on November 21, 2019, 04:04:01 PM
Quote from: yewtree on November 21, 2019, 02:02:13 PM
Not long now to Christmas and season of goodwill.That club from The East are in Ulster Final but as an act of goodwill and taking into account they are near border of South I feel we should take them in as our own as there are more like us in their outlook on football and commitment than those deep in The East.So good luck to Kilcoo in the final and let the whole county get behind them.
We mightn't always like getting beat by them but you gotta admire them.But 2020 it will back to the usual and they will not win Championship.This is the end of this period of profile for them.
Any word on Senior County Squad , any new faces in?

A couple of Glenn men in..

Who's in from Glenn?

John O'Hare and Jack McCartan

2 Very Capable Lads - JOH as good as anyone in goals and seriously dedicated. Being around the setup will bring his communication on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on November 25, 2019, 12:50:44 PM
Yewtree , did you go to u21 final yesterday , wondering what result was
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 25, 2019, 04:57:42 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on November 24, 2019, 04:14:06 PM
Another county title goes to the east today..
Actually two titles went East.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 25, 2019, 06:56:26 PM
Well Yewtree, any word on how Scor is going. Bound to be a few titles going to the big clubs down there. You know " it's the most wonderful time of the year"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on November 27, 2019, 07:39:14 PM
JOH gets caught in possession too much surely? Tends to go for wanders from what I seen. And the other lad is a good player but not county standard yet, time to grow.

East/South. You all need to catch a grip. Poison. Pollution. Despair. I've no hope for Down football whilst all of you are contributors to any team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on November 27, 2019, 08:08:21 PM
Good luck to Kilcoo on Sunday; wonderful battling side, the sum is more than the parts. Suspect that the Donegal side have come though the harder side of the draw and may be a step too far. Hope I'm wrong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 27, 2019, 08:38:27 PM
Yes all the best to Kilcoo. Although not the only Down side chasing an Ulster title. Our own minor ladies are in the final against Killygarry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on November 30, 2019, 07:18:51 PM
Good luck to the magpies tomorrow really hope they can get the win. It would be huge boost for down football 🏁
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 30, 2019, 07:33:13 PM
Good luck to kilcoo tomorrow, hopefully can bring a long overdue ulster title back to down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 30, 2019, 08:04:55 PM
All the best to Kilcoo tomorrow, I fancy them to win by 2 (after extra time)!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 30, 2019, 08:27:42 PM
Good luck to Kilcoo on Sunday in Ulster Club Final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on November 30, 2019, 09:13:29 PM
Good luck to the magpies.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on December 01, 2019, 12:00:13 AM
From Merseyside best of luck to Kilcoo in the final tomorrow ,hopefully they can repeat what Warrenpoint did in 2014.Hopefully a South Down club providing the inspiration to all in Kilcoo , it can be done.Best of luck Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 01, 2019, 10:11:34 AM
Good luck kilcoo #utm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on December 01, 2019, 11:52:12 AM
All the best to Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on December 01, 2019, 03:17:10 PM
Kilcoo should have had this game dead and buried; tho amazed Jock didn't get a straight red
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on December 01, 2019, 03:30:18 PM
Delighted for Kilcoo; the better team all through. How many games have they won this year by narrow margins?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: grounded on December 01, 2019, 03:36:52 PM
Well done Kilcoo. Been denied a few Ulster's so this will be all the sweeter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 01, 2019, 03:39:03 PM
Brilliant performance from Kilcoo, congrats to them, great to see a Down club win Ulster again. All efforts must be made to get a few off them men to play for county. Hopefully  Kilcoo go on and give All Ireland a rattle now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on December 01, 2019, 03:58:27 PM
Comghairdeas Cill Chua. Brilliant performance,  full of pride and passion but discipline and determination as well.  Onwards to the Andy Merrigan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on December 01, 2019, 04:41:37 PM
Well done kilcoo. Nobody can argue they didn't deserve it



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on December 01, 2019, 04:50:28 PM
Super stuff. Well done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 01, 2019, 05:34:10 PM
Delighted for Kilcoo. Fantastic effort from a fantastic club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on December 01, 2019, 05:36:50 PM
Just back from Omagh, great win for Kilcoo and fully deserved, some great individual performances but for me Daryl Brannigan was the best player on the field, definitely could win the All Ireland now!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on December 01, 2019, 05:50:13 PM
Well done Kilcoo, fantastic achievement.

Other than that lapse just before half time they were much the better team. Them Branagans are exceptional footballers.

Great to see some silverware coming back to the county.


Any word from clownjim?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on December 01, 2019, 05:57:07 PM
 Can't believe we finally got there, great for the players, the parish and Down GAA.
Down Jim wished Kilcoo goodluck this morning so fair play to him.
Saved our best performance for the final.
Unreal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 01, 2019, 06:03:32 PM
Congratulations kilcoo, well deserved win. The ending was more nervy than it needed to be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on December 01, 2019, 06:15:29 PM
Congrats Kilcoo, great performance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on December 01, 2019, 07:13:57 PM
Never been as proud of a bunch of lads in my whole life. Absolutely amazing effort from every one of them right down to the last sub.

We will enjoy the celebrations over the next few days as I think we have earned it lol.

Thanks to everyone for all the support, the amount of well wishers on here and when I've been out and about has been great to see.

#UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on December 01, 2019, 07:46:57 PM
Great win and great performance although hairy at times got the job done. Now go on and finish the job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on December 01, 2019, 07:55:46 PM
Kilcoo...congratulations on winning Ulster. I for one didnt think this team was as good as previous teams but man was I wrong. For sure there are more Ulster titles in that team and really they should have won by more in the end. Enjoy the celebrations you done your parish and Down proud.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on December 01, 2019, 08:47:58 PM
Really glad I went to Omagh today. Great win. Well done kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ballela-angel on December 01, 2019, 09:11:26 PM
Congratulations to Kilcoo on a great win - Good luck in the semi final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on December 01, 2019, 10:14:32 PM
congrats to Kilcoo

A tremendous season for them and most certainly Down's club of the year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: umpire on December 01, 2019, 10:16:28 PM
Fantastic result for Kilcoo today, congratulations and-good luck for All Ireland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 01, 2019, 10:33:59 PM
Well done Kilcoo. What a great game entertaining from start to finish. And the best team won. Hope they can win the All Ireland now . And hopefully the Down team can get the benefit of some of those players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 02, 2019, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on December 01, 2019, 10:33:59 PM
Well done Kilcoo. What a great game entertaining from start to finish. And the best team won. Hope they can win the All Ireland now . And hopefully the Down team can get the benefit of some of those players.

Great performance, combination of workrate and quality footballers all over the field, who know what to do with the ball. Culmination of years of hard graft. Well done Kilcoo and best of luck in All-Ireland. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 02, 2019, 10:11:05 AM
Superb game! Nerves were wrecked for them watching the last few minutes god knows how the supporters and players felt.. I don't think I've seen a better performance in a club game than Brannigan put on yesterday, was inspirational. Can't help but admire the hard work and graft Kilcoo put in by their community to get the club to where it is now. Hopefully they can go on and win the All-Ireland now, can they beat Corofin? I don't know but wish them all the best
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on December 03, 2019, 11:27:59 PM
Excellent programme on BBC tonight. Explained exactly what the GAA means to a community. Well worth a look on iplayer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on December 04, 2019, 07:19:50 AM
Wasn't a dry eye in the house after watching the BBC programme.

Puts it all into perspective what the GAA is all about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 04, 2019, 08:40:39 AM
Well done the Magpies.

Should really have won by more but Ulster championships are hard won and won't be forgotten any time soon.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on December 04, 2019, 08:49:12 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on December 03, 2019, 11:27:59 PM
Excellent programme on BBC tonight. Explained exactly what the GAA means to a community. Well worth a look on iplayer
Watched this myself. Agree its worth a look.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on December 04, 2019, 10:05:19 AM
Great show. Terry O'Hanlon has put in some commitment to the cause over the years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on December 04, 2019, 07:58:03 PM
Great result for Kilcoo on Sunday well done to all.

But it is now a bit nauseating,all the comments.They are no different to clubs and chairmen up and down the country , all have serious commitment.Not much difference to commitment shown by coaches at Rossowen or Newry City or Warrenpoint Gaelic , it just sounds so oh unreal commitment ,nonsense all sports club up and down Northern Ireland have committed people.To talk about a club having all the right ideals seems to me very hypocritical in an amateur association they have all these paid personnel.

It was the poorest standard of an Ulster Club in years and really not surprised Kilcoo won.But some on here need to get a grip and coming out with all these cheesy words about Kilcoo.

It seemed to be a very poorly attended game.Now moving on who are the new faces in at County this year.Ross McGarry must be given proper and sustained game time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on December 04, 2019, 09:33:02 PM
Quote from: yewtree on December 04, 2019, 07:58:03 PM
Great result for Kilcoo on Sunday well done to all.

But it is now a bit nauseating,all the comments.They are no different to clubs and chairmen up and down the country , all have serious commitment.Not much difference to commitment shown by coaches at Rossowen or Newry City or Warrenpoint Gaelic , it just sounds so oh unreal commitment ,nonsense all sports club up and down Northern Ireland have committed people.To talk about a club having all the right ideals seems to me very hypocritical in an amateur association they have all these paid personnel.

It was the poorest standard of an Ulster Club in years and really not surprised Kilcoo won.But some on here need to get a grip and coming out with all these cheesy words about Kilcoo.

It seemed to be a very poorly attended game.Now moving on who are the new faces in at County this year.Ross McGarry must be given proper and sustained game time.
Everyone keep posting the comments. If its annoying this p***k then keep posting them. Well done kilcoo. Hoping they do well in the semi final.  How moving on, how is Northern Ireland team doing these days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on December 04, 2019, 09:47:23 PM
 ;D Did kilcoo win the Northern Ireland sfc at the weekend? What was a Donegal team doing in it lol.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 05, 2019, 09:42:41 PM
All very quiet on the county front, hard to believe season starts again at the end of this month. Any word on who's been called into the panel for McKenna cup? Seen R Mc Garry & J McCartan names mentioned on this. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on December 06, 2019, 05:06:29 AM
Typical comment from Yewtree, chip on shoulder, can't congratulate Kilcoo on a magnificent achievement, has to drag soccer clubs into his post, he is right that right across  the board there is serious commitment given by all coaches in all sports and you only get out what you put in andKilcoo have and continue to put in a serious amount of work , I'm not their biggest fan but admire their achievements thus far and would love to see them win the lot, also Richard head you can't have watched the Ulster final.  Kilcoo s performance was excellent , standard was very good, and while Ross McGarry is an outstanding club player I can't see him being a success at county level, I sincerely hope I'm wrong for the sake of the county team but time will tell.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 06, 2019, 09:44:22 AM
Was it yewtree who was slagging off  intermediate and junior clubs on here a few months back. The guy is cluless he should stick to lfc now they have woken up after 30 years. Cluelesstree
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 10, 2019, 04:32:50 PM
Plans submitted for Ballykinlar.

All systems are go it seems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on December 12, 2019, 11:01:28 PM
Deckchairs rearranged on the Titanic. As you were.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 13, 2019, 09:51:30 AM
Not many people looking to unseat any officers?? I actually think the county board are doing a lot better than previous years, the debt that has been left by previous officers is a disgrace
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on December 13, 2019, 12:55:29 PM
Jack Devanney as Chairman is a massive coup for Down , the regard he is held in is phenomenal on the corridors of GAA power.The fact that no one stood against him is a mark of the esteem he is held in within the county.

He is extremely educated well spoken ,well read on GAA issues and is a progressive.From talking to people the amazing part is it has taken him so long to become Chairman ,some say a potential President.He has worked tirelessly at all levels of the GAA over the years.

From a business background and living in South Down his first big challenge will be Ballykinler.

Will he scale it back and look at the options closer to home in Newry for us? Talk before was of the site near Newry and a scaled back Ballykinler , yes planning has been submitted but an amendment could be added.Jack Devanney will be looking to make his mark from the get go and I have a feeling Ballykinler will be on his radar to scale back.

Already the rumblings from sponsors like what has happened in other counties has begun.The sponsors will have a big say on this before any brick is laid and Jack Devanney will be very aware of those sponsors.So very much looking forward to his term.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on December 13, 2019, 02:41:25 PM
Heard Jack made a great acceptance speech. He is a very capable  orator.  Will he be able to keep the man in the hat in check? As a paid officer his role is to carry out the decisions of the County Board, not be the decision taker as he has been for too long.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 13, 2019, 03:58:20 PM
Yes, congratulations to Jack. Can't really see him curtailing BK, but then again there's people on here that seem to have the inside track
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on December 14, 2019, 02:00:18 PM
For pity's sake Yewtree crawl back under the rock from whence you came from, who are the sponsors that don't want a centre of excellance , you keep telling us of rumblings and here say, the new chairman will do what's right for the county not just what the Newry gaels want, by the way he also from east down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on December 16, 2019, 10:16:44 AM
TEAM OF THE YEAR - Across all divisions.

1. Bobo Kilcoo 
2. Patrick Murdock Warrenpoint
3. Luke Byrne Shamrocks
4. Aiden Brannigan Kilcoo
5. Shane Annet - Bridge
6. Daryl Brannigan Kilcoo
7. Aaron Brannigan Kilcoo
8. John Boyle Point
9. P Murph Harps
10. Mc Cartan Glenn
11. PD kilcoo
12. Tyrenan Rusher HARPS
13. Quinn Bridge
14. Joseph Sands Glenn
15. J Johnson Kilcoo

thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on December 16, 2019, 02:54:36 PM
Quote from: Petergriffin1 on December 16, 2019, 10:16:44 AM
TEAM OF THE YEAR - Across all divisions.

1. Bobo Kilcoo 
2. Patrick Murdock Warrenpoint
3. Luke Byrne Shamrocks
4. Aiden Brannigan Kilcoo
5. Shane Annet - Bridge
6. Daryl Brannigan Kilcoo
7. Aaron Brannigan Kilcoo
8. John Boyle Point
9. P Murph Harps
10. Mc Cartan Glenn
11. PD kilcoo
12. Tyrenan Rusher HARPS
13. Quinn Bridge
14. Joseph Sands Glenn
15. J Johnson Kilcoo

thoughts?
You need to watch more matches
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 16, 2019, 03:18:15 PM
Is Jack not a member of Bredagh?

Sems a sound man any time I've had dealings with him.

WRT BK, I see someone has already donated £65K towards it according to the accounts I saw, unless I wasn't reading them right.

Is "Chicken" a family nickname as I know a "chicken" whose brother was PRO now treasurer???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Petergriffin1 on December 16, 2019, 03:19:54 PM
Lets see your team Elk sure
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 16, 2019, 04:04:19 PM
Jack is indeed a member of Bredagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 16, 2019, 04:16:43 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 16, 2019, 04:04:19 PM
Jack is indeed a member of Bredagh.
i thought he lived out Glenn direction and Saul before that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on December 16, 2019, 04:20:04 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on December 14, 2019, 02:00:18 PM
For pity's sake Yewtree crawl back under the rock from whence you came from, who are the sponsors that don't want a centre of excellance , you keep telling us of rumblings and here say, the new chairman will do what's right for the county not just what the Newry gaels want, by the way he also from east down.
Quote from: yewtree on December 13, 2019, 12:55:29 PM
Jack Devanney as Chairman is a massive coup for Down , the regard he is held in is phenomenal on the corridors of GAA power.The fact that no one stood against him is a mark of the esteem he is held in within the county.

He is extremely educated well spoken ,well read on GAA issues and is a progressive.From talking to people the amazing part is it has taken him so long to become Chairman ,some say a potential President.He has worked tirelessly at all levels of the GAA over the years.

From a business background and living in South Down his first big challenge will be Ballykinler.

Will he scale it back and look at the options closer to home in Newry for us? Talk before was of the site near Newry and a scaled back Ballykinler , yes planning has been submitted but an amendment could be added.Jack Devanney will be looking to make his mark from the get go and I have a feeling Ballykinler will be on his radar to scale back.

Already the rumblings from sponsors like what has happened in other counties has begun.The sponsors will have a big say on this before any brick is laid and Jack Devanney will be very aware of those sponsors.So very much looking forward to his term.

As far as I have been told for all your information Jack is not from East Down , he lives in South Down and is originally from the Cuala Club.I'm told years ago he was a driving force in Bredagh but now moved on to South Down.

He is articulate and has done trojan work through the years at club and university level and watch this space what he does regards Newry site and Ballykinlar.

I am led to believe he is on the liberal progressive side of the GAA and look forward to his tenure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on December 17, 2019, 08:00:51 AM
Quote from: Petergriffin1 on December 16, 2019, 10:16:44 AM
TEAM OF THE YEAR - Across all divisions.

1. Bobo Kilcoo 
2. Patrick Murdock Warrenpoint
3. Luke Byrne Shamrocks
4. Aiden Brannigan Kilcoo
5. Shane Annet - Bridge
6. Daryl Brannigan Kilcoo
7. Aaron Brannigan Kilcoo
8. John Boyle Point
9. P Murph Harps
10. Mc Cartan Glenn
11. PD kilcoo
12. Tyrenan Rusher HARPS
13. Quinn Bridge
14. Joseph Sands Glenn
15. J Johnson Kilcoo

thoughts?

A you have too much time on your hands
B you are 12 years old.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 17, 2019, 04:43:31 PM
Still no word on age groups for 2020 yet teams will be back resining in a few weeks. What nights are games on etc
Coaching officer role should be given to Poacher or Laverty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 17, 2019, 04:56:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 17, 2019, 04:43:31 PM
Still no word on age groups for 2020 yet teams will be back resining in a few weeks. What nights are games on etc
Coaching officer role should be given to Poacher or Laverty
Is this something new to your Club DJ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 17, 2019, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 17, 2019, 04:43:31 PM
Still no word on age groups for 2020 yet teams will be back training in a few weeks. What nights are games on etc
Coaching officer role should be given to Poacher or Laverty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 18, 2019, 09:36:12 AM
Quote from: downjim on December 17, 2019, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 17, 2019, 04:43:31 PM
Still no word on age groups for 2020 yet teams will be back training in a few weeks. What nights are games on etc
Coaching officer role should be given to Poacher or Laverty

Two separate issues there Jim.

Fixtures are nothing to do with the Coaching Officer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on December 18, 2019, 10:06:02 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 17, 2019, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 17, 2019, 04:43:31 PM
Still no word on age groups for 2020 yet teams will be back training in a few weeks. What nights are games on etc
Coaching officer role should be given to Poacher or Laverty

As far as I can see we are agreed for u13,15,17 age groups for 2020.We have been discussing Saturdays for a u19 grade to alternate each Saturday with Reserves.

Regards Coaching Officer Role I would look no further than Dan McCartan Burren ,he seems committed and steady.It appears that he wouldn't have the wherewithal to be a manager or coach but could turn out to be a good administrator.With his commitment I feel this could be a master stroke to co opt him on to County Board as Coaching Officer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on December 19, 2019, 08:10:12 AM
Conor Lavery is the man for the coaching role, no other individual comes close, Dan McCartan has had experience with wee James in the minor set up and if we are honest about it, that didn't go well in terms of results, I'm not knocking either person as it takes a lot to manager / coach a county team but Lavery is your man, it's about time we as a county started to appoint the right people in important positions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CornUladh02 on December 19, 2019, 02:43:53 PM
The coaching officer job AFAIK is an unpaid and maybe an unfashionable position so it immediately rules out alot of coaches who are with other teams. Daniel is a good shout in terms of his dual coaching and business acumen snd would be an asset the current CB. You can't solely judge a mans coaching credentials on his teams successes or failures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 20, 2019, 10:56:55 AM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on December 19, 2019, 02:43:53 PM
The coaching officer job AFAIK is an unpaid and maybe an unfashionable position so it immediately rules out alot of coaches who are with other teams. Daniel is a good shout in terms of his dual coaching and business acumen snd would be an asset the current CB. You can't solely judge a mans coaching credentials on his teams successes or failures.

Not sure of the requirements of a coaching officer, but I'd have thought that being a good coach may not actually be one of them as strange as that may seem.
Having an understanding of Planning and structuring of the coaching process is probably more important than being a good coach yourself.

When Brian Cody is asked about the success of hurling in Kilkenny he always talks about Ned Quinn who set about changing Kilkenny hurling in the mid 90's after Down beat them in Nowlan Park to relegate them to Div2 of the NHL believe it or not.

I'd suggest a degree in Sports Science or similar would be a basic prerequisite and then having a few relations on the interview panel will get you over the line..


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 20, 2019, 12:50:05 PM
If there is a 5 year plan in place, or similar, then Conor Laverty should be at the forefront of it. I'd like to see him looking after anywhere between u-16s to u20s, and if successful, eventually take the senior job. Similar to how mickey harte came through the ranks at tyrone.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 20, 2019, 03:47:43 PM
Quote from: ardtole on December 20, 2019, 12:50:05 PM
If there is a 5 year plan in place, or similar, then Conor Laverty should be at the forefront of it. I'd like to see him looking after anywhere between u-16s to u20s, and if successful, eventually take the senior job. Similar to how mickey harte came through the ranks at tyrone.

I presume the Mourne Academy have a plan to work to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on December 20, 2019, 04:11:04 PM
Would it be wise or feasible to drastically reduce expenditure on our Down Senior team and invest that money into our youth setup over a 5-7 year period?? I don't see Down dining at the top table any time soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on December 20, 2019, 05:09:21 PM
Quote from: yewtree on December 18, 2019, 10:06:02 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 17, 2019, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 17, 2019, 04:43:31 PM
Still no word on age groups for 2020 yet teams will be back training in a few weeks. What nights are games on etc
Coaching officer role should be given to Poacher or Laverty

As far as I can see we are agreed for u13,15,17 age groups for 2020.We have been discussing Saturdays for a u19 grade to alternate each Saturday with Reserves.

Regards Coaching Officer Role I would look no further than Dan McCartan Burren ,he seems committed and steady.It appears that he wouldn't have the wherewithal to be a manager or coach but could turn out to be a good administrator.With his commitment I feel this could be a master stroke to co opt him on to County Board as Coaching Officer.

Quote from: Cuan12 on December 19, 2019, 08:10:12 AM
Conor Lavery is the man for the coaching role, no other individual comes close, Dan McCartan has had experience with wee James in the minor set up and if we are honest about it, that didn't go well in terms of results, I'm not knocking either person as it takes a lot to manager / coach a county team but Lavery is your man, it's about time we as a county started to appoint the right people in important positions.

This coaching officer post doesn't need to be a quality coach or manager but is more administrative.This is where Dan McCartan Burren could come in as an administrator as he has a profile name ,(with respect to his efforts at coaching or managing that appears to be not working out) let's use him and from what I am led to believe his talents would be better served on the County Board than a training pitch.
I'm sure there are others out there but this role is not a new one but I feel Jack will co-opt Daniel on to the County Board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 21, 2019, 08:21:02 PM
With McKenna cup just around the corner anyone able to hazard a guess on a starting 15. Would love to see Niall Donnelly back in midfield for the seaason if his injuries have cleared. Would be massive unit around the middle again and was having a good season up til the injury a couple of years ago. Would also like to see Quinn nail down a starting place on the team. Was class in every game he came on last year.

1. Marc Reid
2. McAleenan
3. Murdock
4. Collins
5. D. Guinness
6. O'Hagan
7. Laverty
8. Donnelly
9. Middleton
10. J. Guinness
11. Quinn
12. Mooney
13. Havern
14. Harrison
15. Kerr
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 22, 2019, 11:05:39 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on December 21, 2019, 08:21:02 PM
With McKenna cup just around the corner anyone able to hazard a guess on a starting 15. Would love to see Niall Donnelly back in midfield for the seaason if his injuries have cleared. Would be massive unit around the middle again and was having a good season up til the injury a couple of years ago. Would also like to see Quinn nail down a starting place on the team. Was class in every game he came on last year.

1. Marc Reid
2. McAleenan
3. Murdock
4. Collins
5. D. Guinness
6. O'Hagan
7. Laverty
8. Donnelly
9. Middleton
10. J. Guinness
11. Quinn
12. Mooney
13. Havern
14. Harrison
15. Kerr

Thats probably not a bad line for McKenna cup, I would like to see Owen McCabe getting plenty of game time in McKenna cup and National league. Who else's been called into squad? I thought Conor Clarke would have been brought into the panel this year? I seen Carr, Middleton and Kerr named in Irish news.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 29, 2019, 08:36:36 AM
Down team to play fermanagh;

O Hare
McAleenan
McArdle
Collins
Laverty
O Hagan
Annett
Flynn
Mooney
McCabe
C Gallagher
Poland
D Guinness
Havern
McGarry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 29, 2019, 10:55:24 AM
Strong McKenna cup team. Good to see McArdle back for another year. Midfield still looks a problem. Any news on Harrison I have heard he hasn't attended yet. Hope he comes back fit to play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 29, 2019, 04:03:37 PM
Given that Fermanagh had a new manager, and sent out a pretty strong line-up, winning away by double scores, 1-11 to 0-7, was a decent result. Sounds like Liam Kerr was the start of the show. A win against Antrim in the next match will take us through to the McKenna semis for the first time in ages.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FermGael on December 29, 2019, 07:17:09 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 29, 2019, 04:03:37 PM
Given that Fermanagh had a new manager, and sent out a pretty strong line-up, winning away by double scores, 1-11 to 0-7, was a decent result. Sounds like Liam Kerr was the start of the show. A win against Antrim in the next match will take us through to the McKenna semis for the first time in ages.
Don't want to rain on your parade but Fermanagh had a very experimental side out today.
5 or 6 players tops who would have been starting last year .
McGrath, Jones brother's, Breen , Eoin Donnelly and Declan McCusker . 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 29, 2019, 10:35:13 PM
It's effectively a pre-season friendly so no one will be too exercised by the result. However, Fermanagh had six players from the county champions Derrygonnelly in their squad as well as established players like McGrath, Cassidy, McCusker, Breen and Donnelly starting. Corrigan was also named but dropped out so, by McKenna Cup standards, it was a reasonable line-up. Down had a few new faces, and will probably make further changes for the Antrim game, but it is very early days for both sides.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FermGael on December 29, 2019, 11:33:43 PM
Mourne, outside of the two Jones lads from Derrygonnelly, the rest of them Derrygonnelly lads have been nowhere near the Fermanagh line up for the past few years.
We had a very inexperienced forward line  and our full back was from Clones however that works.
As you said early days but Down impressed me. Seemed to be full of running and looked fresh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Don Johnson on December 30, 2019, 02:52:04 PM
Anyone hear any news about Mooney?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on December 30, 2019, 04:51:12 PM
Apparently he was the victim of a serious assault in Newry last night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 30, 2019, 08:41:04 PM
Very sad news that, some tramps about, fingers crossed he makes a quick recovery. I see he has new business venture just starting up, hopefully it wont be badly effective either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 30, 2019, 10:05:05 PM
Some dirt bags about Newry. Get well soon Caolan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yellowcard on December 31, 2019, 11:55:13 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-50955661
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Orior on December 31, 2019, 07:59:22 PM
This is awful. When will people realise that just one punch can kill?

:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: shantygael on December 31, 2019, 08:44:30 PM
There is a video going around of it.lucky he's still living. Get well soon lad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on December 31, 2019, 09:02:16 PM
That boy won't be going back to Australia. Glad Mooney seems ok anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on December 31, 2019, 09:16:23 PM
Video is shocking.

Best wishes to him.

But there's something wrong when somebody is standing videoing that, then sharing it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 31, 2019, 10:56:40 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on December 31, 2019, 09:16:23 PM
Video is shocking.

Best wishes to him.

But there's something wrong when somebody is standing videoing that, then sharing it.
Is this the video where someone is picked up and thrown to the ground landing head first?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 01, 2020, 12:26:17 AM
The video doing the rounds is feck all to do with the assault on Mooney!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on January 01, 2020, 12:33:34 AM
Quote from: Targetman on January 01, 2020, 12:26:17 AM
The video doing the rounds is feck all to do with the assault on Mooney!!
Yea was gonna say that video wasnt taken in Newry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on January 01, 2020, 12:45:35 AM
I wish the lad all the best for a full and quick recovery. Happy and prosperous new year to all followers of our great games.  Good luck to Kilcoo on Saturday,  I think they can do it. What about a new year resolution,  let's discuss our games a d cut out the nastiness that has blighted this site recently!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 01, 2020, 12:15:55 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on January 01, 2020, 12:33:34 AM
Quote from: Targetman on January 01, 2020, 12:26:17 AM
The video doing the rounds is feck all to do with the assault on Mooney!!
Yea was gonna say that video wasnt taken in Newry
That video is from an incident in Cork. Miraculously that guy is ok. But i agree people are more concerned about videoing these things than trying to prevent it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on January 01, 2020, 01:41:40 PM
I, like a few members on this forum have to question why would any one stand and video some one being the victim of a serious assault, if it's purely to put the footage out on social media sites I would seriously question that persons morals, I would love to see that person also prosecuted but am unsure if they commit any crime when filming some one getting a severe beating , bottom line is we all wish Caolan a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: under the bar on January 01, 2020, 09:09:23 PM
Any word who the fellas charged are from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on January 01, 2020, 09:45:41 PM
Quote from: under the bar on January 01, 2020, 09:09:23 PM
Any word who the fellas charged are from?

They're from Newry. I'll say no more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 02, 2020, 10:49:20 AM
Hope Caolan makes a speedy recovery. Big miss for Down for league I would imagine 3 month recovery especially with the bleed on the brain something that really can not be messed about with. Although football will be the last thing on his mind as he recovers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on January 02, 2020, 02:39:40 PM
Dont understand people making up stories about Ballykinlar/Newry or wherever for the COE. Ballykinlar is the chosen site, it will cost less to do it there than anywhere else, the ground is already in good order and the area available is most suitable. Ballykinlar is 45/50 minutes maxiumum to any club in the county (Newry 48 mins), most south Down clubs Mayobridge, Rostrevor, Burren are all within 40 minutes. Clonduff, Drumgath, Annaclone just over 30 mins and all mourne clubs are 30-40 mins. The Successful Down teams of the 90's trained in Ballykinlar and this facility will be much better than then. Currently the development squads, county Ladies teams and numerous clubs travel to the current Ballykinlar club to train. To me it is the obvious decision given the ground available, Castlewellan would be ideal however there is going to be suitable available areas for sale or lease in every village and town in the county. Just because Pairc Esler is Newry doesnt mean COE has to be. Derry has Celtic Park, COE in Owenbeg, Tyrone have Omagh, COE in Ballygawley, Monaghan have Clones, COE in Cloghan. I live in South Down and have been to Ballykinlar many times doing the run to trainings and works fine and is a good deal done by the county board and it will be the site the COE will be at and will help to push our county on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on January 03, 2020, 03:46:57 PM
Many neutrals heading for Breffni tomorrow? Would be brilliant for Down football if kilcoo could get a victory
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: under the bar on January 04, 2020, 01:10:37 AM
Quote from: Ambrose on January 01, 2020, 09:45:41 PM
Quote from: under the bar on January 01, 2020, 09:09:23 PM
Any word who the fellas charged are from?

They're from Newry. I'll say no more.

Named now. What's the Down GAA connection?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on January 04, 2020, 10:35:49 AM
All the best to our senior men today.

#UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 04, 2020, 11:56:42 AM
Good luck to Kilcoo today. Hope you do it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on January 04, 2020, 02:05:29 PM
Good win for Down u20's. Anyone at it or any idea of who would be on the team this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on January 04, 2020, 05:08:47 PM
Well done Kilcoo. Now to win it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 04, 2020, 05:34:22 PM
Magnificent by Kilcoo. Weathered the storm amd got over the line. Delighted for them. Corofin will be hard to beat but kilcoo will do their homework. Go and win it.  Then get some of those guys into the Down panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on January 04, 2020, 05:50:35 PM
Congrats Kilcoo, you beat a good team today, Corofin next up - you can do it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: grounded on January 04, 2020, 05:50:57 PM
Yes, fantastic by Kilcoo. A real controlled performance, especially as they had a few dubious decisions called against them. Defence outstanding. Daryl Brannigan on a different level. Lavery pulling the strings up front.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 04, 2020, 06:11:41 PM
Corofin are one of the best club sides of recent decades but Kilcoo will give them all they want in the final. When it is over, regardless of the result, the priority must be getting some more Kilcoo players into the county squad at some stage during the NFL. Of the Branagan brothers, Aidan and Niall are probably at the veteran stage but  Aaron and Dabs would be huge assets and Eugene might join them as well. Ryan McEvoy is a fantastic prospect at 19 and looks as though he could come straight into a Down team at either full back or midfield. The Johnston brothers and PD will be back and McCourt in goals is also worth a look. Having finally won Ulster, and got through the AI final as well, this must be the time to make some progress over the previous reluctance of some Kilcoo players to accept county calls.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 04, 2020, 07:34:39 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 04, 2020, 06:11:41 PM
Corofin are one of the best club sides of recent decades but Kilcoo will give them all they want in the final. When it is over, regardless of the result, the priority must be getting some more Kilcoo players into the county squad at some stage during the NFL. Of the Branagan brothers, Aidan and Niall are probably at the veteran stage but  Aaron and Dabs would be huge assets and Eugene might join them as well. Ryan McEvoy is a fantastic prospect at 19 and looks as though he could come straight into a Down team at either full back or midfield. The Johnston brothers and PD will be back and McCourt in goals is also worth a look. Having finally won Ulster, and got through the AI final as well, this must be the time to make some progress over the previous reluctance of some Kilcoo players to accept county calls.


Couldnt agree more, Id love to see Dabs, Darren O Hagan and  Aaron Branagan play in half back line together. Ryan Johnson looks better with every game, always showed his ability in flashes previously but really looking the part now.

Really hope they go on and win it now!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 04, 2020, 07:35:51 PM
You would never have more than 4/5 from one club in a county panel. The club wouldn't entertain it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 04, 2020, 08:32:48 PM
Brilliant result for Kilcoo. I think that Ballyboden will have more members than there are people in Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 04, 2020, 09:04:37 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on January 04, 2020, 07:35:51 PM
You would never have more than 4/5 from one club in a county panel. The club wouldn't entertain it

St Galls and Cross would have had definitely had 6 players or more on county panels. Ballinderry probably the same. Unfortunately can't see more than 3 or 4  off the kilcoo squad joining up with Down after the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on January 04, 2020, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 04, 2020, 06:11:41 PM
Corofin are one of the best club sides of recent decades but Kilcoo will give them all they want in the final. When it is over, regardless of the result, the priority must be getting some more Kilcoo players into the county squad at some stage during the NFL. Of the Branagan brothers, Aidan and Niall are probably at the veteran stage but  Aaron and Dabs would be huge assets and Eugene might join them as well. Ryan McEvoy is a fantastic prospect at 19 and looks as though he could come straight into a Down team at either full back or midfield. The Johnston brothers and PD will be back and McCourt in goals is also worth a look. Having finally won Ulster, and got through the AI final as well, this must be the time to make some progress over the previous reluctance of some Kilcoo players to accept county calls.
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Down football is obviously not too bad at club level as kilcoo had a few tight games to win the county championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 04, 2020, 09:40:44 PM
Well done Kilcoo, fully deserved win, they'll give Corofin all they want and more in the final!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on January 04, 2020, 11:27:29 PM
Quote from: elk on January 04, 2020, 09:05:47 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 04, 2020, 06:11:41 PM
Corofin are one of the best club sides of recent decades but Kilcoo will give them all they want in the final. When it is over, regardless of the result, the priority must be getting some more Kilcoo players into the county squad at some stage during the NFL. Of the Branagan brothers, Aidan and Niall are probably at the veteran stage but  Aaron and Dabs would be huge assets and Eugene might join them as well. Ryan McEvoy is a fantastic prospect at 19 and looks as though he could come straight into a Down team at either full back or midfield. The Johnston brothers and PD will be back and McCourt in goals is also worth a look. Having finally won Ulster, and got through the AI final as well, this must be the time to make some progress over the previous reluctance of some Kilcoo players to accept county calls.
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Down football is obviously not too bad at club level as kilcoo had a few tight games to win the county championship
corofin had even harder games in the Galway championship don't get carried away elk kilcoo have gone to a different level than they needed to be in the down championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on January 05, 2020, 11:27:30 PM
Well done kilcoo. Really hope they can do what's needed to win the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 08, 2020, 11:18:59 PM
Down were a little patchy tonight against limited opposition, but started and finished the game reasonably strongly.  While qualifying from a pretty ordinary group to make the semi finals of the McKenna for the first time in seven years will not get anyone too excited, securing the extra game against a D1 side like Tyrone should certainly bring us on for the start of the league.

Hynes looked OK in nets and most of his kick-outs were fine while McKernan showed good positional sense at full back but it remains to be seen whether he still has the pace for the edge of the square. Darren O'Hagan was the pick of the defence as usual, and Flynn is starting to look more comfortable at midfield. Barry O'Hagan and Havern had decent nights up front and Quinn only needed one half to remind us that his finishing has a touch of class. Hughes and Kerr both took fine scores coming off the bench so we have a few options for the next match which will tell us much more about where we are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on January 09, 2020, 10:03:54 AM
Thanks for the report MR.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on January 11, 2020, 07:01:02 PM
I see the kilcoo folks cleaned up last night @ the Gaelic  life  awards, fair play to them, think they can cause an upset sunday week! Best of luck to them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 12, 2020, 08:38:04 AM
Did Down u20s lose to Antrim yesterday?   I know it was a development game. But cant be a good sign unless they were trying out a host of players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on January 12, 2020, 10:55:05 AM
Yea, I dont think Down were trying.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 12, 2020, 02:45:14 PM
Sounds like a very poor first half display from Down in the McKenna semi, going in 11 points behind. There are bound to be a few changes, and we have the wind after the break, but the indications are that Tyrone have barely been out of second gear so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 12, 2020, 03:40:00 PM
Definitely a better effort in the second half, and we got it back to four points at one stage, but Tyrone pulled away late on for a nine point win. We now have a better idea of the standard which will be required to get us out of D3, and the trip to Tipperary on the first day is as big a league game as we have faced for quite some time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2020, 04:39:38 PM
Just home. Men against boys. A 15 minute period in the sending half stopped it from being embarrassing. I just can't see a system in place after 15 months. Thank god it was a second string Tyrone team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on January 12, 2020, 06:19:56 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 12, 2020, 08:38:04 AM
Did Down u20s lose to Antrim yesterday?   I know it was a development game. But cant be a good sign unless they were trying out a host of players.
Who is the management team this year?  I hear a couple from last year have left
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on January 12, 2020, 06:30:10 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2020, 04:39:38 PM
Just home. Men against boys. A 15 minute period in the sending half stopped it from being embarrassing. I just can't see a system in place after 15 months. Thank god it was a second string Tyrone team.

It was a Division 1 team against a Division 3 team and it was never going to end any other way. It's very hard going to these games knowing we are going to be on the end of a tanking, but it's where we are right now.

Big week ahead for Down football and Kilcoo in particular. It would be great to see the entire county united behind Kilcoo, as a county we have been starved of success for more than 25 years.

Does anyone know if season ticket holders still get free entry to the club finals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 12, 2020, 07:24:08 PM
A real reality check for Down this afternoon, but that was probably the best team we will play all season, its just where we are at these days. After a pretty awful 1st half, they definitely played better in 2nd half, albeit Tyrone took the foot of the gas. Really needed full panel of players too pick from to even get near the top team, and given  we're missing Rory Burns, McCabe, Donnelly, Harrison, James Guinness, and hopefully the Kilcoo contingent.  Sooner these players get back in the squad the better as good few players looked well out of there depth today. Lack of kick out strategy still very worrying.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2020, 08:34:55 PM
Ed i would agree that if it was Tyrone's full squad but they were missing
Mcaliskey
Brennan
Morgan
McCann sub
Harte
Donnelly
McShane
Cassidy
Cavangh
R Brennan
McKernan
Kennedy
Myler
Most if all those would start if fit

Down missing a few but only certain starters missing Harrison and Johnstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 12, 2020, 09:07:41 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on January 12, 2020, 06:30:10 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2020, 04:39:38 PM
Just home. Men against boys. A 15 minute period in the sending half stopped it from being embarrassing. I just can't see a system in place after 15 months. Thank god it was a second string Tyrone team.

It was a Division 1 team against a Division 3 team and it was never going to end any other way. It's very hard going to these games knowing we are going to be on the end of a tanking, but it's where we are right now.

Big week ahead for Down football and Kilcoo in particular. It would be great to see the entire county united behind Kilcoo, as a county we have been starved of success for more than 25 years.

Does anyone know if season ticket holders still get free entry to the club finals?
Yep they do, mine would need to come in the post this week!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 12, 2020, 10:25:57 PM
Everyone will have their own opinion but it is a little surprising Smufy thinks the only certain starters missing today were `Harrison and Johnstone'. The probables list, if everyone is available, might reasonably include both Johnston brothers plus Burns, McArdle, Donnelly, McCabe, James Guinness, Devlin and Mooney.  If all the Kilcoo team declared for Down, then Aaron and Dabs Branagan definitely, plus possibly their younger brother Genie and perhaps Ward and Ryan McEvoy, would also be in the frame. Today was a reality check which confirmed  again that we are nowhere near D1 standard. However, with a full strength squad, promotion from D3 is a legitimate aspiration.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on January 13, 2020, 02:06:13 PM
I see Brolly isn't giving the magpies much of a chance on Sunday hopefully they do the business and bring an all Ireland title to County Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 14, 2020, 10:25:50 AM
Hi all, long time reader of the board and wanted to say a few things.

Ballykinlar is a great spot for the Down centre of excellence
The east Down bias is laughable on here, East Down is the hub of gaa in Down and the rise of Carryduff and Bredagh will increase this.
Good luck to East Down representatives Kilcoo on Sunday, I am sure the whole county is supporting them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 16, 2020, 01:23:33 PM
Best of luck to Kilcoo on Sunday. Heading to it myself, would be a huge boost to  football in the county if they can get over the line.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on January 16, 2020, 04:21:16 PM
Any news from the Kilcoo camp? Any injury concerns? Think they are a great bet at 10/3; Corofin are deserved favourites, but Kilcoo, keep stepping up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 16, 2020, 04:38:10 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 14, 2020, 10:25:50 AM
Hi all, long time reader of the board and wanted to say a few things.

Ballykinlar is a great spot for the Down centre of excellence
The east Down bias is laughable on here, East Down is the hub of gaa in Down and the rise of Carryduff and Bredagh will increase this.
Good luck to East Down representatives Kilcoo on Sunday, I am sure the whole county is supporting them.
Advice--keep reading and cease posting crap like your first post. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 17, 2020, 02:51:39 PM
Best of luck to the Magpies on Sunday..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on January 17, 2020, 03:45:32 PM
Best of luck to the Magpies on Sunday,

Working on site with a number of Kilcoo Locals, win or loose we don't expect them on site most of next week! Win and it could be a fortnight ffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 17, 2020, 05:59:38 PM
Adh mor Cill Chua. Whatever your views on their questionable non football tactics we should get behind them on Sunday.  We have been starved of success in the county and the magpies have flown through Ulster and South Dublin under Mickey Moran.  Posters will know I have consistently highlighted Conor Laverty as an outstanding leader and I look forward to him lifting Andy Merrigan on behalf of his club, county and province.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 17, 2020, 09:33:29 PM
Best of luck to the Magpies on Sunday. I'd love to be in croke pk but I'm going to go up home and watch it with the aul lad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 17, 2020, 09:42:47 PM
All the best to Kilcoo on Sunday, I'll be in Croke Park hoping to see them crowned champions, my season ticket has me stuck in section 301 of the Cusack, not a good seat so I'm hoping after the hurling that some better seats will be available, shouldn't be any bother moving
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on January 17, 2020, 10:44:42 PM
One things for sure Corofin will be assignment but I expect a Kilcoo victory and maybe Smurf and co will show some respect !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 17, 2020, 11:10:14 PM
I would like to wish Kilcoo all the very best on Sunday
I will be in Croke Park on Sunday hoping they win. No I won't be jumping up and down at every score but it would be a massive boost for Down GAA. For one day and one day only I will be supporting the magpies
Good Luck Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on January 18, 2020, 07:03:03 AM
Good man Smurf, I,like you have an admiration for Kilcoo, we can only hope that our county senior team can somehow mirror image Kilcoo s success but that's for later, on Sunday we are all behind them on Sunday ,Corofin will not have come up against this sort of team before , I take Kilcoo to win by the narrowest of margins with the ability to get goals the key to success.
COME ON KILCOO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Silver hill on January 18, 2020, 09:14:33 AM
Obviously an outsider here, but curious as to what the opinion is of kilcoo from within Down? Anecdotally, it would appear that they are begrudgingly respected but generally not liked? A siege mentality with a win at any costs culture? Seem to have gone beyond the pale on too many occasions for a lot of people. The recent incident with the minor and his mentor was particularly galling it seems? Or is it simply jealousy and usual inter club rivalry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 18, 2020, 11:30:28 AM
Kilcoo are a very well run club and will continue to dominate Down football and have great people around the club Mick Kane Jerome Johnstone O Hanlon Morgan who have drove that club forward for years when they were not as successful which is a credit to them. Johnstone work at underage years ago can not go unnoticed I think he was the man who drove it forward.
Kilcoo would not be the most popular team in Down because of the dark arts during matches which is very unfortunate as they have some brilliant players and don't need it.
I take my hat off to them but I do not like what they do on a pitch and I'm sure I am not the only one
Good luck Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on January 18, 2020, 01:21:04 PM
Here we go again. This topic (the kilcoo topic) has been flogged to death on this forum. Start up a new thread and leave this one for other discussions. Good luck to kilcoo . I hope they do it. As for this board, well it's not worth the bother. Same people.  Same shite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 18, 2020, 02:33:27 PM
Good luck to all in kilcoo, hopefully the cup will be coming back up the motorway tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 18, 2020, 04:53:38 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 18, 2020, 09:14:33 AM
Obviously an outsider here, but curious as to what the opinion is of kilcoo from within Down? Anecdotally, it would appear that they are begrudgingly respected but generally not liked? A siege mentality with a win at any costs culture? Seem to have gone beyond the pale on too many occasions for a lot of people. The recent incident with the minor and his mentor was particularly galling it seems? Or is it simply jealousy and usual inter club rivalry?
No different to any other successful club. If all clubs were based on the kilcoo model Down football would be a much more competitive animal. No one in Down are a match for kilcoo.  A great success story whatever tomorrows outcome.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on January 18, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 18, 2020, 04:53:38 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 18, 2020, 09:14:33 AM
Obviously an outsider here, but curious as to what the opinion is of kilcoo from within Down? Anecdotally, it would appear that they are begrudgingly respected but generally not liked? A siege mentality with a win at any costs culture? Seem to have gone beyond the pale on too many occasions for a lot of people. The recent incident with the minor and his mentor was particularly galling it seems? Or is it simply jealousy and usual inter club rivalry?
No different to any other successful club. If all clubs were based on the kilcoo model Down football would be a much more competitive animal. No one in Down are a match for kilcoo.  A great success story whatever tomorrows outcome.

Would love to see kilcoo do it tomorrow. So many great people at all levels in the club, who have worked hard over many years. I played against and managing against them for many years and they have always treated our own club with great respect and have shown us great friendship and support . I think it's very important how they have shown rural clubs , you can still reach the very highest level in our association with a fraction of the population resources of other clubs. Serious level of football ability and knowledge throughout the senior set up and whole club. Good luck Kilcoo , I'm sure you'll do our county proud.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on January 18, 2020, 06:04:35 PM
Have to say Good luck and be great if they could win.Now or ver for them as doubtful they'll get out of Down 2020.

Tomorrow will be for lots of posters on here I reckon to be channel switching between Gaelic final and the big game on Sky the real Reds v Red Mancs. And a little trip over to see Reds soon but that is for another day.

Then NFL Championship Games (but no Pats or Brady !) ..

Superb Sports Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on January 18, 2020, 10:19:08 PM
Good luck to everyone associated with kilcoo tomorrow. I think the Andy merrigan cup will be coming back to Down. Kilcoo by 4 #UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 18, 2020, 11:45:41 PM
Quote from: yewtree on January 18, 2020, 06:04:35 PM
Have to say Good luck and be great if they could win.Now or ver for them as doubtful they'll get out of Down 2020.

Tomorrow will be for lots of posters on here I reckon to be channel switching between Gaelic final and the big game on Sky the real Reds v Red Mancs. And a little trip over to see Reds soon but that is for another day.

Then NFL Championship Games (but no Pats or Brady !) ..

Superb Sports Sunday.
😂 Jesus wept
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on January 19, 2020, 09:44:35 AM
What an incredible journey this fantastic group of men have brought us on. Mickey Moran and his team are special and have brought us to dream land. Today is a special day for our great club and no matter the result, these fellas are legends in the parish.

Its an honour and special privilege to be able to run out onto Croke Park with the boys you grew up and went to school with. And although the supporters won't be on the pitch with them, we will be behind the team as they cover every blade of the hallowed turf in search of glory.

Thanks to everyone for the support over the last couple of weeks. Great messages of support coming in from all over Down, Ulster, Ireland and abroad. The parish is buzzing with excitement.

For anyone travelling down, have a safe journey and add to the chants of UTM to help us bring this cup back up the road 😊💪

#CillChuaAbu #UTM #UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 19, 2020, 10:06:00 AM
I'll be there fully behind Kilcoo but chanting UTM's just pushing it a bit too far!!😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Silver hill on January 19, 2020, 10:09:28 AM
What kilcoo have done is incredible. They are the epitome of what any small club should aspire to. My question is, would it lessen their winning mentality if they dropped the sledging. I don't think there's any doubt that its coached by their captain and talisman, but more importantly, it's tolerated by the hierarchy within. The recent appeal after the minor game is testimony to that. I enjoy the attitude and approach of the Brannigan boys, their humility and innocence, I just wonder what they would honestly think of all that other nonsense. Probably wouldn't care one iota if they win today but for me, definitely asterisk against it if they do because of that shit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 19, 2020, 12:20:42 PM
Good luck to Kilcoo this afternoon, a lot been written, positive and negative, about them over the years but I do hope they win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on January 19, 2020, 09:08:57 PM
Disappointing result today for Kilcoo, thought they could have won it over the 60 minutes. Congrats to Corofin, arguably the greatest ever club team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 19, 2020, 09:18:38 PM
Hard luck Kilcoo great achievement and almost done it. The sending off was very harsh I thought. Referee was horrible
Worrying result queens getting hammered by 30 odd points. I would not hold much hope for Down under 20s. Who appoints them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 19, 2020, 09:35:46 PM
Kilcoo were very unfortunate not to win in normal time. While both sides wasted plenty of opportunities, the Kilcoo misses were from easier positions. The first yellow card from Ward appeared extremely dubious although the second was a foolish foul. However, Corofin seemed to panic in the closing stages and Kilcoo had a whole series of relatively straightforward chances. The first Devlin free was unfortunate, Laverty put a shot wide from a great position and one of the Branagans probably should have scored as well. Corofin supporters were complaining about the amount of additional injury time but their players were dragging down opponents across the field and they emptied their bench in the process. The ball was knocked away after the final free was awarded so the referee was fully entitled to bring it forward. If Kilcoo had levelled just a little earlier, Corofin were there for the taking. Extra time was one way traffic but it was still a brilliant effort from Kilcoo. If O'Hanlon had been available, they would almost certainly be All Ireland champions tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on January 19, 2020, 09:39:13 PM
Hard luck Kilcoo today. A few wides and shots dropping short ultimatley cost them the game over 60 minutes plus the ref ballsing up the sending off. A few kilcoo players will feel like they let the game pass them by. However I dont think that Kilcoo won a clean ball from their own kickouts over the entire game. Only time they won their kickout was when corofin fouled them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on January 19, 2020, 10:58:06 PM
Agree, the first yellow was a Tyrone tumble, but the second was just stupid; always uphill after that, but incredible fighting spirit after that. Kick-out policy crumbled in extra time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 20, 2020, 12:07:10 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on January 19, 2020, 09:39:13 PM
Hard luck Kilcoo today. A few wides and shots dropping short ultimatley cost them the game over 60 minutes plus the ref ballsing up the sending off. A few kilcoo players will feel like they let the game pass them by. However I dont think that Kilcoo won a clean ball from their own kickouts over the entire game. Only time they won their kickout was when corofin fouled them.

Midfield was a huge problem; they were unable to create any momentum as a result. Any time they scored they were on the back foot. Kilcoo have defied the natural laws of Gaelic Football in getting this far without a steady midfield retention platform and somehow very nearly crossed the toughest line of all.

They'll be sick tonight, especially the 4-5 of them well below their usual levels of influence.

It'll be tough for them to climb this peak again. But if there's one thing we've learned about Kilcoo the past 15 years, it's that they always regroup.

——

On a side note, Gaelic Football is condemned as a spectacle. Today wasn't the tipping point or anything like that, but only further evidence.

How our sport can continue to provide a reward for endlessly recycling possession either side of halfway is beyond me. Blaming the opponents for not pushing is up is wrong. Basketball worked this out 60 years ago: if there is a get out clause when in possession, the team in front will abuse it. It needs closed. Banning passing backwards across the halfway lines would be simplest and most effective rule change we could ever implement.

And as for the concerted campaign by managers, media and players to eradicate the black card, we should hold our heads in shame. A yellow card simply isn't deterrent enough, and already the improvements of the black card's initial years have been largely washed away by referees being bullied into the romantic notion of "you can't ruin that poor lad's day for one wee foul, after he's been training all year".  Whether it's the first minute or the last minute, that urge towards cynical fouling should be met with a serious deterrent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on January 20, 2020, 11:47:55 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 19, 2020, 09:35:46 PM
Kilcoo were very unfortunate not to win in normal time. While both sides wasted plenty of opportunities, the Kilcoo misses were from easier positions. The first yellow card from Ward appeared extremely dubious although the second was a foolish foul. However, Corofin seemed to panic in the closing stages and Kilcoo had a whole series of relatively straightforward chances. The first Devlin free was unfortunate, Laverty put a shot wide from a great position and one of the Branagans probably should have scored as well. Corofin supporters were complaining about the amount of additional injury time but their players were dragging down opponents across the field and they emptied their bench in the process. The ball was knocked away after the final free was awarded so the referee was fully entitled to bring it forward. If Kilcoo had levelled just a little earlier, Corofin were there for the taking. Extra time was one way traffic but it was still a brilliant effort from Kilcoo. If O'Hanlon had been available, they would almost certainly be All Ireland champions tonight.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda, the bottom line is they lost. They had their chances in normal time ( without O Hanlon ) and didn't take them. Would have been nice to see an All Ireland title coming back to Down but the little bit of luck that Kilcoo have been carrying this campaign eventually ran out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 20, 2020, 11:50:59 AM
Tyrone won All Ireland's with limited ball in the middle

Big match this weekend team to start

O Hare kickouts much better than Burns. Burns kickouts costly
McAleenan
McArdle
Collins
Laverty
O Hagen
Cox
Flynn
Middleton
O Hagen
Quinn
Guinness
O hare
Havern
Kerr


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 20, 2020, 04:24:39 PM
Most of Smurfy's team will start in Clonmel but McKernan, although he did not have a good day against Tyrone, willl probably be in there somewhere, and McCabe may get his chance at midfield. O'Hare is a decent prospect in goals but the experience of Burns could be the key factor. It is unusual to have such a crucial match in January and it is arguably the most important league opener we have faced for a very long time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on January 20, 2020, 05:25:02 PM
What was the idea behind Kilcoo having the number '10' on the neck area on the back of their shirts yesterday.

Does anyone know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 20, 2020, 08:08:39 PM
Kilcoo played a typical Kilcoo game in normal time although the quality of the opposition forced them into making more errors than usual. Only Daryl and Laverty played the occasion but all can reflect on a great year. Unfortunately the  chance may have gone as their example will spur on many clubs in Down and Ulster to raise their games. Good to see local clubs supporting the magpies and who knows when a Down team will be back in HQ.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on January 20, 2020, 08:10:09 PM
One thing i've noticed about Kilcoo this year under Moran is that he doesn't tend to use a lot of subs. Although they have a massive panel he only seems to bring on Justin, sheelan (who is now a starter) and anthony morgan. Players that were once guaranteed starters on the teams in the past few years like James McClean, Marty Devlin, Micheal Rooney now aren't even getting a sniff of championship football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 20, 2020, 09:48:22 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on January 20, 2020, 08:08:39 PM
Kilcoo played a typical Kilcoo game in normal time although the quality of the opposition forced them into making more errors than usual. Only Daryl and Laverty played the occasion but all can reflect on a great year. Unfortunately the  chance may have gone as their example will spur on many clubs in Down and Ulster to raise their games. Good to see local clubs supporting the magpies and who knows when a Down team will be back in HQ.
Let's call it as it is- most Down people would be pleased
that Kilcoo lost.Sad but true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 21, 2020, 07:45:14 AM
Quote from: wobbller on January 20, 2020, 09:48:22 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on January 20, 2020, 08:08:39 PM
Kilcoo played a typical Kilcoo game in normal time although the quality of the opposition forced them into making more errors than usual. Only Daryl and Laverty played the occasion but all can reflect on a great year. Unfortunately the  chance may have gone as their example will spur on many clubs in Down and Ulster to raise their games. Good to see local clubs supporting the magpies and who knows when a Down team will be back in HQ.
Let's call it as it is- most Down people would be pleased
that Kilcoo lost.Sad but true.

Anyone I was talking to wanted Kilcoo to win. I was at croke park and there was significant support from clubs all over Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 21, 2020, 10:03:09 AM
Hard luck Kilcoo, having no midfield or a marquee forward who could score them 3/4 points from play cost them in the end. I would love to see dabs and Ryan McEvoy into the Down squad, I don't think Ryan and Jerome will cut in for Down anymore and we have too many similar players. If the rumour of Moran leaving is true then Gilligan I am sure could step up.

Massive game for us on Sunday, we need at least 4 points from our first 3 games to be in with a chance of promotion. Is Harrisson near fit does anyone know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 21, 2020, 10:39:30 AM
Agree Ryan and Jerome would be squad players Jerome would probably start but he is not the forward that is going to get you 4/5 points a game like Donal O Hare. Dabs would be an addition to the Down team hopefully he joins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 21, 2020, 11:14:52 AM
Would Niall McEvoy be worth a shout, looks like an old fashioned corner back, the type of player Sean Boylen would have liked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 21, 2020, 11:28:30 AM
McEvoy is past his past unfortunately and is the wrong side of 30 but a brainy player and great servant to Kilcoo. Its mad to think the Kilcoo are now taking a well earned break while the rest of the county are slogging their guts on pitches to try and topple them. Big numbers out training in Ford which may be worth keeping an eye on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on January 21, 2020, 11:43:18 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 21, 2020, 11:28:30 AM
McEvoy is past his past unfortunately and is the wrong side of 30 but a brainy player and great servant to Kilcoo. Its mad to think the Kilcoo are now taking a well earned break while the rest of the county are slogging their guts on pitches to try and topple them. Big numbers out training in Ford which may be worth keeping an eye on.

The more they slog their guts out now - the less likely they are to win.

No point peaking in May.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 21, 2020, 05:49:28 PM
  A couple proposals from Loughinisland for Thursday's County Board's Meeting looking for a round of Championship to be played
in April and for the Leagues to be finished before Round 2 of the Championship are played in August.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 21, 2020, 06:03:16 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 21, 2020, 05:49:28 PM
  A couple proposals from Loughinisland for Thursday's County Board's Meeting looking for a round of Championship to be played
in April and for the Leagues to be finished before Round 2 of the Championship are played in August.

I wouldn't be against this, but if we are to continue with the round 1 back door, I say play it in April too.

Championship in August can then be rolled through very quickly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 21, 2020, 09:44:25 PM
Quote from: yewtree on January 21, 2020, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 21, 2020, 06:03:16 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 21, 2020, 05:49:28 PM
  A couple proposals from Loughinisland for Thursday's County Board's Meeting looking for a round of Championship to be played
in April and for the Leagues to be finished before Round 2 of the Championship are played in August.

I wouldn't be against this, but if we are to continue with the round 1 back door, I say play it in April too.

Championship in August can then be rolled through very quickly.

Regarding club players and respect for them , it would be an easier thing to run Gaelic when soccer season finishes.Then go for a compressed season , plenty of games and less training nights.

In US the baseball season doesn't go against NFL.In Northern Ireland and Republic most gifted guys do both soccer and Gaelic.This way here we save clubs money by not having to pay coaches per session and we get better buy in from all.

A condensed format and shorter season would suit better.It could also be a positive on player numbers in Newry and keep more kids at the Gaelic and maybe boost Shamrocks , Bosco and Mitchells.

I know talking to players that the Gaelic season runs too long and run by idiots demanding full attendance at training even though the players have other sporting commitments.A bit of rethink needed by Down , even trial it over a 3 year period.

Can we just go with "Ireland" please.

Also I don't know of a single senior footballer in my club who also plays competitive soccer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 21, 2020, 09:48:36 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on January 21, 2020, 09:44:25 PM
Quote from: yewtree on January 21, 2020, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 21, 2020, 06:03:16 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 21, 2020, 05:49:28 PM
  A couple proposals from Loughinisland for Thursday's County Board's Meeting looking for a round of Championship to be played
in April and for the Leagues to be finished before Round 2 of the Championship are played in August.

I wouldn't be against this, but if we are to continue with the round 1 back door, I say play it in April too.

Championship in August can then be rolled through very quickly.

Regarding club players and respect for them , it would be an easier thing to run Gaelic when soccer season finishes.Then go for a compressed season , plenty of games and less training nights.

In US the baseball season doesn't go against NFL.In Northern Ireland and Republic most gifted guys do both soccer and Gaelic.This way here we save clubs money by not having to pay coaches per session and we get better buy in from all.

A condensed format and shorter season would suit better.It could also be a positive on player numbers in Newry and keep more kids at the Gaelic and maybe boost Shamrocks , Bosco and Mitchells.

I know talking to players that the Gaelic season runs too long and run by idiots demanding full attendance at training even though the players have other sporting commitments.A bit of rethink needed by Down , even trial it over a 3 year period.

Can we just go with "Ireland" please.

Also I don't know of a single senior footballer in my club who also plays competitive soccer.
Yew tree is 11 he is talking about his age group.
Also It's Ireland not norn iron.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 21, 2020, 10:52:25 PM
Yew tree how does the season run in to long?
Starts in April and finishes the first week in October?
6 months is to long is it? Do you want a 4 month season?
Pisses me off when I hear that crap that the season is to long. Lazy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on January 22, 2020, 11:39:39 AM
Quote from: yewtree on January 21, 2020, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 21, 2020, 06:03:16 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 21, 2020, 05:49:28 PM
  A couple proposals from Loughinisland for Thursday's County Board's Meeting looking for a round of Championship to be played
in April and for the Leagues to be finished before Round 2 of the Championship are played in August.

I wouldn't be against this, but if we are to continue with the round 1 back door, I say play it in April too.

Championship in August can then be rolled through very quickly.

Regarding club players and respect for them , it would be an easier thing to run Gaelic when soccer season finishes.Then go for a compressed season , plenty of games and less training nights.

In US the baseball season doesn't go against NFL.In Northern Ireland and Republic most gifted guys do both soccer and Gaelic.This way here we save clubs money by not having to pay coaches per session and we get better buy in from all.

A condensed format and shorter season would suit better.It could also be a positive on player numbers in Newry and keep more kids at the Gaelic and maybe boost Shamrocks , Bosco and Mitchells.

I know talking to players that the Gaelic season runs too long and run by idiots demanding full attendance at training even though the players have other sporting commitments.A bit of rethink needed by Down , even trial it over a 3 year period.
There ya go. Says it all. Same people. Same shite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: quiganmaster on January 22, 2020, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 21, 2020, 10:52:25 PM
Yew tree how does the season run in to long?
Starts in April and finishes the first week in October?
6 months is to long is it? Do you want a 4 month season?
Pisses me off when I hear that crap that the season is to long. Lazy

A lot of club players out on the pitch first week of January preseason training and then the leagues start in April. If they're half successful then the season runs at least until mid September.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on January 22, 2020, 03:29:50 PM
Plenty of lads busting to get out after 3 months off.  Ok some preseasons are a bit extreme but there's plenty happy to get out and back with their clubs.

If Championship is to be played in April surely better to have rd1/2 done so that from late august on it's knockout only?  Real championship matches.
If you're gone by April, finish out the league season and head off on holidays or whatever you wanna do.
If you're still in the mix then time to knuckle down coming into the summer months.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 22, 2020, 04:49:24 PM
Alternatively, your season is over in April and you have to train and play basically meaningless games for the next 4 months (unless in a relegation dogfight). The season over before summer has even begun.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on January 22, 2020, 10:27:03 PM
Amateur Sport, Amateur Players with full time jobs - of course they are gona burn out

Have it on good authority that, not fully confirmed - Mickey Moran will be staying on for this season at Kilcoo. Don't expect to see Conor Laverty playing for Kilcoo  until July time - at the orders of Mickey Moran

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 23, 2020, 09:30:05 PM
Anyword on the Down team for Sunday? Tough game away to Tipp, it's really a must win game if they want to be in with a chance of being promoted. Any word on James Guinness? Is he out injured?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 24, 2020, 09:10:16 AM
With Harrison out, Mooney out and I presume the kilcoo lads are not back yet, it could be a big ask to collect 2 points on the road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on January 24, 2020, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: ardtole on January 24, 2020, 09:10:16 AM
With Harrison out, Mooney out and I presume the kilcoo lads are not back yet, it could be a big ask to collect 2 points on the road.
I was speaking to a Father of one of the kilcoo players, (who we would hope would play county football this year), he said his son is likely not to play following " the negative and abusive online attacks towards his club, team and individuals. Can you blame him".
Its disappointing. To be honest he gave the impression that even if his son wanted to play he would not allow it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 24, 2020, 11:48:51 AM
Quote from: Last Caress on January 24, 2020, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: ardtole on January 24, 2020, 09:10:16 AM
With Harrison out, Mooney out and I presume the kilcoo lads are not back yet, it could be a big ask to collect 2 points on the road.
I was speaking to a Father of one of the kilcoo players, (who we would hope would play county football this year), he said his son is likely not to play following " the negative and abusive online attacks towards his club, team and individuals. Can you blame him".
Its disappointing. To be honest he gave the impression that even if his son wanted to play he would not allow it.

Dissapointing if true. All good players should be welcomed with open arms into the county set up. I thought most people wished Kilcoo well. Yes there are a few bitters on everywhere  but this shouldn't be a reason not to play for your county.  You know your doing something right as a club when people lambast you out of jealousy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on January 24, 2020, 11:57:22 AM
Quote from: Last Caress on January 24, 2020, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: ardtole on January 24, 2020, 09:10:16 AM
With Harrison out, Mooney out and I presume the kilcoo lads are not back yet, it could be a big ask to collect 2 points on the road.
I was speaking to a Father of one of the kilcoo players, (who we would hope would play county football this year), he said his son is likely not to play following " the negative and abusive online attacks towards his club, team and individuals. Can you blame him".
Its disappointing. To be honest he gave the impression that even if his son wanted to play he would not allow it.
Needs to cut the apron strings, if his son is good enough for the County he should give it a go. Might regret it later in life if he doesn't.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 24, 2020, 11:59:43 AM
Well it has to be a Brannigan as nobody else is good enough for the team that are already not on it. The Johnstone brothers and Paul Devlin already play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 24, 2020, 01:26:21 PM
Possibly young Mc Avoy, though I'd have thought he'd be one for the future
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on January 24, 2020, 05:37:42 PM
You're a clown

Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 24, 2020, 11:59:43 AM
Well it has to be a Brannigan as nobody else is good enough for the team that are already not on it. The Johnstone brothers and Paul Devlin already play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 24, 2020, 06:01:30 PM
Who who else would start for Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on January 24, 2020, 06:36:47 PM
 Smurf !!!!!!! Lol you for real? Kilcoo would wipe the floor with down,  more like who on our county team would start for kilcoo 🤣, Donal o hare and maybe Darren o'Hagan,  not much after that if I'm honest
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on January 24, 2020, 06:49:02 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on January 24, 2020, 07:14:45 PM
They didn't get out of 2nd gear in down as they didn't  have 2, who would you put in kilcoo starting 15 that named to start for down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 24, 2020, 07:20:58 PM
They were 4 points down with 8 mins to go against Burren and beat CPN by a point.  Where they in 2nd gear for these matches ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 24, 2020, 07:27:05 PM
Yas are losing the run of yourselves a bit with how good Kilcoo are.  The great Burren team of the 80s wouldn't beat the Down team of that era and the same applies to the current Kilcoo team.

Plus most would agree the Kilcoo team as a whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts which isn't a dig at the players. In fact it's a compliment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 24, 2020, 08:09:45 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 24, 2020, 07:27:05 PM
Yas are losing the run of yourselves a bit with how good Kilcoo are.  The great Burren team of the 80s wouldn't beat the Down team of that era and the same applies to the current Kilcoo team.

Plus most would agree the Kilcoo team as a whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts which isn't a dig at the players. In fact it's a compliment.

In fairness, the Down team of the 1980s were D1 standard, won an Ulster title and and NFL. They by rights should have battered any club side.

Plus I'm not sure the current Down side would have the aerial strength or physical attributes to dominate Kilcoo physically, in the way you would expect a county side to do to a club side.


I'm not saying Kilcoo would win. But both sides going genuinely hammer and tong would, I expect, be a close enough affair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 24, 2020, 08:16:53 PM
The team named tonight wouldn't exactly strike fear into many teams. Harrison and Mooney are huge losses. It's a big ask to get 2 points away to tipp, who apparently have a good few regulars missing this year also. Tough game to call.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on January 24, 2020, 08:36:07 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 24, 2020, 07:20:58 PM
They were 4 points down with 8 mins to go against Burren and beat CPN by a point.  Where they in 2nd gear for these matches ?just playing with them, when they needed to they played a bit for 5mins and beat teams, sign of  a good team that,😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 24, 2020, 09:31:24 PM
What other players would start for Down from Kilcoo besides the brannigans and the lads who already commit? You still haven't answered
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 24, 2020, 10:05:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2020, 08:09:45 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 24, 2020, 07:27:05 PM
Yas are losing the run of yourselves a bit with how good Kilcoo are.  The great Burren team of the 80s wouldn't beat the Down team of that era and the same applies to the current Kilcoo team.

Plus most would agree the Kilcoo team as a whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts which isn't a dig at the players. In fact it's a compliment.

In fairness, the Down team of the 1980s were D1 standard, won an Ulster title and and NFL. They by rights should have battered any club side.

Plus I'm not sure the current Down side would have the aerial strength or physical attributes to dominate Kilcoo physically, in the way you would expect a county side to do to a club side.


I'm not saying Kilcoo would win. But both sides going genuinely hammer and tong would, I expect, be a close enough affair.

And by the same token that Burren team were at a higher level than this Kilcoo team similar to the Down team of the 80s being at a higher level than the current Down team so it swings in roundabouts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on January 24, 2020, 10:26:01 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 24, 2020, 09:31:24 PM
What other players would start for Down from Kilcoo besides the brannigans and the lads who already commit? You still haven't answered young mcevoy ward McCourt  and arron  morgan are all better players than what's there with county,  laverty and niall mcevoy could also represent county along with the 3/4 braniganns,  now tell me who on this county team lining out this weekend would start for the magpies???🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 24, 2020, 10:40:33 PM
O hare
O Hagen x2
Quinn
Annett
McCabe
Dornan


Ward Morgan mcevoy and McCourt certainly a long way to go yet
Mcevoy and Laverty would not start for Down. Laverty coukd not start in his prime for Christ sake. He did then get his place on poor poor Down teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on January 24, 2020, 11:16:21 PM
As I mentioned earlier, you are a clown

Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 24, 2020, 10:40:33 PM
O hare
O Hagen x2
Quinn
Annett
McCabe
Dornan


Ward Morgan mcevoy and McCourt certainly a long way to go yet
Mcevoy and Laverty would not start for Down. Laverty coukd not start in his prime for Christ sake. He did then get his place on poor poor Down teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 24, 2020, 11:26:05 PM
Comparing club and county teams makes little sense. Our starting line up for Sunday looks promising, and has plenty of pace, but is unproven in a number of areas. Tally has made a big call in dropping McKernan, although probably the right one on his Tyrone display, and Havern may be unfortunate to miss out. However, this is the chance for the likes of Fegan, Annett, Guinness and McCabe to really show us what they can do. If O'Hare, Quinn and Barry O'Hagan manage a few scores, we will be in with a shout. Our bench is also decent, which could make a difference,and it's great to see Donnelly back there after a full year out, but, like almost all of our league games last season, it will probably come down to tight margins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 25, 2020, 08:14:53 AM
I'm a clown because I have an opinion on a discussion board?
My initial point was no Kilcoo player is guaranteed a place on the Down squad outside of the brannigans and the lads who commit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on January 25, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 24, 2020, 10:40:33 PM
O hare
O Hagen x2
Quinn
Annett
McCabe
Dornan


Ward Morgan mcevoy and McCourt certainly a long way to go yet
Mcevoy and Laverty would not start for Down. Laverty coukd not start in his prime for Christ sake. He did then get his place on poor poor Down teams
as I said earlier Darren o Hagan and donal o'hare  and that would be it, barry o Hagan and dornan would jump out of the way when they see their own shadows ffs,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on January 25, 2020, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 24, 2020, 11:26:05 PM
Comparing club and county teams makes little sense. Our starting line up for Sunday looks promising, and has plenty of pace, but is unproven in a number of areas. Tally has made a big call in dropping McKernan, although probably the right one on his Tyrone display, and Havern may be unfortunate to miss out. However, this is the chance for the likes of Fegan, Annett, Guinness and McCabe to really show us what they can do. If O'Hare, Quinn and Barry O'Hagan manage a few scores, we will be in with a shout. Our bench is also decent, which could make a difference,and it's great to see Donnelly back there after a full year out, but, like almost all of our league games last season, it will probably come down to tight margins.
McKernan is done,good servant to down all the same,but him and young Carr can count themselves lucky to get a game at all this season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 25, 2020, 10:48:40 AM
The McKernans and Carr's will be steeped in Down history forever more than what can be said for any Kilcoo player. Check out the history of Down. Cheap shot at young Carr and him only starting on his County career. Clown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on January 25, 2020, 11:59:10 AM
Strange

Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 25, 2020, 10:48:40 AM
The McKernans and Carr's will be steeped in Down history forever more than what can be said for any Kilcoo player. Check out the history of Down. Cheap shot at young Carr and him only starting on his County career. Clown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 25, 2020, 01:29:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 24, 2020, 10:40:33 PM
O hare
O Hagen x2
Quinn
Annett
McCabe
Dornan


Ward Morgan mcevoy and McCourt certainly a long way to go yet
Mcevoy and Laverty would not start for Down. Laverty coukd not start in his prime for Christ sake. He did then get his place on poor poor Down teams

Laverty is still one of the best players in the county. Always olayed out of his skin for Down. Are you that bitter and jealous of kilcoo  that you wouldnt give the man the credit he deserves. Did you ever even see him play for Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 25, 2020, 02:41:01 PM
Laverty was a fine servant for Down and over a 2 or 3 year period was one of the better players.  However like McKernan Father Time has caught up with him and he wouldn't have much of an impact at county level at this stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 25, 2020, 02:44:57 PM
I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that any of the starting forwards or subs for tomorrow on an individual level would start for Kilcoo.  Would McGarry or Kerr not start for Kilcoo ?

Would Benny McArdle or Ryan McAleenan not start in Kilcoos full back line ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on January 25, 2020, 05:18:32 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 25, 2020, 02:44:57 PM
I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that any of the starting forwards or subs for tomorrow on an individual level would start for Kilcoo.  Would McGarry or Kerr not start for Kilcoo ?

Would Benny McArdle or Ryan McAleenan not start in Kilcoos full back line ?
who would you drop from kilcoo full back line for mccardle or mcaleenan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on January 25, 2020, 05:25:49 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 25, 2020, 10:48:40 AM
The McKernans and Carr's will be steeped in Down history forever more than what can be said for any Kilcoo player. Check out the history of Down. Cheap shot at young Carr and him only starting on his County career. Clown
clown!!! Lol you serious? History?? That's why down are so far behind, ffs , Ross Carr senior was a good player for sure ,but his sons arent half the men he was,same as mckernan, you smurfy are the clown !!🤦‍♂️🤣
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 25, 2020, 06:41:05 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on January 25, 2020, 05:18:32 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 25, 2020, 02:44:57 PM
I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that any of the starting forwards or subs for tomorrow on an individual level would start for Kilcoo.  Would McGarry or Kerr not start for Kilcoo ?

Would Benny McArdle or Ryan McAleenan not start in Kilcoos full back line ?
who would you drop from kilcoo full back line for mccardle or mcaleenan?

Nial McEvoy & Ryan McEvoy. Ryan had a great season but would you start an 18 ur old at full back if Down were playing in the championship in the morning ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on January 25, 2020, 11:59:37 PM
Lads catch ur self's on county and club 2 completely different levels. Anyone suggesting kilcoo would be better than Down needs there head checked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on January 26, 2020, 09:39:59 AM
Quote from: sdg on January 25, 2020, 11:59:37 PM
Lads catch ur self's on county and club 2 completely different levels. Anyone suggesting kilcoo would be better than Down needs there head checked.🙈🤦‍♂️kilcoo would beat down,burren wouldn't be far from beating them also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 26, 2020, 12:22:02 PM
Look at it this way - would Downs championship team be fit to score more than 7 points in over 80 minutes of football against Corofin ?

I'd like to think so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 26, 2020, 12:46:57 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 26, 2020, 12:22:02 PM
Look at it this way - would Downs championship team be fit to score more than 7 points in over 80 minutes of football against Corofin ?

I'd like to think so.

Moot point WGM.

Would Kilcoo at home to Louth expect to register at least 1.06? I would think so.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 26, 2020, 12:53:30 PM
I'm not sure they would if they can only score 7 points against a fellow club team in the open spaces of Croke Park.

The point remains as has been said before it's ridiculous to think a decent club team would beat a county team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on January 26, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 26, 2020, 12:53:30 PM
I'm not sure they would if they can only score 7 points against a fellow club team in the open spaces of Croke Park.

The point remains as has been said before it's ridiculous to think a decent club team would beat a county team.

The county team is no great shakes at the moment. I wouldnt bet to much on them beating anything at the minute based on what they have done for the last 10 years i.e. nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on January 26, 2020, 02:17:03 PM
Just to wish management and team all the best for the year, and hope they bring some pride back to Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 26, 2020, 03:39:46 PM
Poor performance in clonmel. Very wasteful. A struggle from here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on January 26, 2020, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 26, 2020, 03:39:46 PM
Poor performance in clonmel. Very wasteful. A struggle from here.

Played against 14 men for most of the second half, we really should have won this game. Very wasteful, must have had 7 or 8 wides in the second half. Went for the wrong options in the first half, when a couple of easy points, after winning the advanced mark, would have won us the game.
Tipp had a bit of a purple patch before the break scoring 4 unanswered points, but we were far too defensive for most of the game, especially with an extra man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 26, 2020, 03:46:19 PM
Listened to the match on Tipp Fm, absolute rubbish result, failing to beat Tipp who played nearly entire 2nd half with 14 men. Have to question Tally big time for being so defensive despite have extra man. I didnt feel very confident when I seen the starting 15 and even less so with the 2 changes before hand. Derry next Saturday night is a must win simple as that. Dont like being so negative this early, but I dont think there has been any progression under Tally at all. Hopefully proves me wrong next few games and gets some of the Kilcoo squad into the team, along with Harrison and Donnelly. (if fit to start)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 26, 2020, 03:52:36 PM
Tally's defensive gameplan is outdated and teams have now moved away from it but Down are playing it and playing it poorly. Listened to the match on the radio and the man said at the end Tipp played 42 minutes a man down as the also had a man in the sin bin. Disappointed result considering the absentees on the Tipp team and playing with an extra man for so long. Disappointed also on the set up I was expecting big things and nothing as really changed from previous set ups. A real opportunity missed. A must win next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on January 26, 2020, 03:53:51 PM
How did Mckernan do? Seen him against Antrim and he got cleaned out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on January 26, 2020, 05:26:35 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 26, 2020, 03:52:36 PM
Tally's defensive gameplan is outdated and teams have now moved away from it but Down are playing it and playing it poorly. Listened to the match on the radio and the man said at the end Tipp played 42 minutes a man down as the also had a man in the sin bin. Disappointed result considering the absentees on the Tipp team and playing with an extra man for so long. Disappointed also on the set up I was expecting big things and nothing as really changed from previous set ups. A real opportunity missed. A must win next week.
Agree Tally is yesterday's man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on January 26, 2020, 08:16:31 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 26, 2020, 12:53:30 PM
I'm not sure they would if they can only score 7 points against a fellow club team in the open spaces of Croke Park.

The point remains as has been said before it's ridiculous to think a decent club team would beat a county team.
downs championship team wouldn't score 3 points against the best club team of all time let alone 7, 🤦‍♂️🙈
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on January 26, 2020, 08:21:22 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 26, 2020, 03:46:19 PM
Listened to the match on Tipp Fm, absolute rubbish result, failing to beat Tipp who played nearly entire 2nd half with 14 men. Have to question Tally big time for being so defensive despite have extra man. I didnt feel very confident when I seen the starting 15 and even less so with the 2 changes before hand. Derry next Saturday night is a must win simple as that. Dont like being so negative this early, but I dont think there has been any progression under Tally at all. Hopefully proves me wrong next few games and gets some of the Kilcoo squad into the team, along with Harrison and Donnelly. (if fit to start)
according to smurfy no one on kilcoo team would get on down team 🤣🤮🙈
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 26, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on January 26, 2020, 08:16:31 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 26, 2020, 12:53:30 PM
I'm not sure they would if they can only score 7 points against a fellow club team in the open spaces of Croke Park.

The point remains as has been said before it's ridiculous to think a decent club team would beat a county team.
downs championship team wouldn't score 3 points against the best club team of all time let alone 7, 🤦‍♂️🙈

Ok fair enough.

I see I am wasting my time on this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 26, 2020, 08:37:34 PM
No I said outside the brannigans and the lads that are on the panel no I don't think they would. Aaron Morgan Dylan Ward hardly set the world alight. They are not going to win you any games. Team players and yes maybe Down squad players but to suggest they start is way off the mark. Only 1 Corifin player starts for Galway.
Down kicked 3 points in 32 minutes with and extra man and the aid of a stiff breeze and one was a 45. Shocking stuff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 26, 2020, 09:43:36 PM
It's a hell of  drive to Clonmel, facing a team who have operated at a higher level than us for several seasons, so we would probably have taken a draw in advance, but in the circumstances it was definitely a point dropped. However, the number of unforced errors we made throughout meant that only a brilliant save from Burns prevented us from coming home with nothing.

The pitch was pretty dreadful, and full of bumps with overly long grass, so it favoured a physically stronger Tipperary, who were also much more proficient in the use of the mark to keep them in touch on limited possession. We probably played better against the wind in the first half, although it faded in the second, and we really should have pulled away in the first quarter, but our shooting was consistantly poor.

Given that Kennedy got a ten minute sin bin in this first half, followed by a red five minutes after the break, we obviously were a man up for over 40 minutes and failed to manage the advantage properly. There is nothing wrong with some long balls towards the square, but they were often poorly directed when we should have using our pace in the open spaces. While there were still flashes of decent play, we went sideways much too routinely and we have serious room for improvement overall.

Burns was our best player, with confident handling and decent kick outs as well as two points from 45s and the crucial point blank save. We were OK defensively, with decent league debuts from Fagan and Annett, but midfield was a problem when Dornan went off, presumably injured, as Poland did not look suited to the position.

The forwards played in patches, but McCabe, with his outstanding leap, should be quite a prospect when he comes to term with the mark. It was great to see Donnelly back after a full year out as he can give us options at full back and midfield.

Derry started with a disappointing draw at home to Leitrim, so a win against them in Newry on Saturday night would leave us well placed, but we are very much a work in progress and the division will probably go the wire again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 27, 2020, 08:40:36 AM
Mourne can I ask you what has changed under Tally's tenure? For me it's pretty much the same except a lot more defensive which other teams are going away from. Look at the scores Armagh put up on a regular basis. 5 points from play against 14 men for over half the game is poor stuff and considering Tipperary were missing a host of big players. Yes Down were missing a few too but surely we should be beaten Tipperary with 14. I was expecting big big improvements under him but I'm afraid it has not happened. Considering the money he is getting we need more in return. Saturdays match is massive. Lose the match and promotion is gone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 27, 2020, 10:59:08 AM
Its the first game so I will reserve judgement to after Saturday night but we left that one behind us. I felt we should have pushed up more with he extra man but in modern day football and the way teams line out , an extra man is no real benefit compared to 15 years ago. I still think we have hope with this team and Paddy is giving young exciting players a chance,  like the look of Quinn and McCabe though. We are missing a Brian fenton style midfielder who can win primary possession and play football.

On issue of club v county, lads wise up County players are in a  different league, I do wish more Magpies would commit to the set up but we cant force people to wear the famous red and black.  It should be an honour to be asked and I think its an insult that some people can laugh at the prospect of representing this proud football county.

Lets get behind the lads on Saturday night, it will be a battle but one i am confident we can prevail.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on January 27, 2020, 04:25:49 PM
Yes Down played for 40 minutes of the Game with a Player up. However they played against a 14 man wall....Tipp played ultra defensive and were difficult to break down. Down definitely made mistake with passing etc as did Tipp but a young Down team with few debuts went ok and had opportunities to win it and didnt take them, still decent coming from Tipp with a point and by no means finished. As for what difference has Tally made, look at the age profile of the team, he is bleeding in more youth and past managers have and Down will get the benefits of this in the future
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 27, 2020, 05:02:45 PM
I think you will find the average age of the Down team on Sunday was 27
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 27, 2020, 07:14:55 PM
I'm not saying get rid of any manager. I would like them to come away from the defensive stuff that was played years ago. When Down shoukd have been playing defensive football the were not and now when the game is evolving again we are stuck in what teams were doing 5 years ago. Tally most experienced man for the job but please give us something going forward. 5 points from play in 78 minutes football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 27, 2020, 07:22:11 PM
Playing defensive football when score difference kept us in Div 3 last year after a couple of miracle last gasp 1 points wins is a bit worrying.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 27, 2020, 08:54:54 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 27, 2020, 07:14:55 PM
I'm not saying get rid of any manager. I would like them to come away from the defensive stuff that was played years ago. When Down shoukd have been playing defensive football the were not and now when the game is evolving again we are stuck in what teams were doing 5 years ago. Tally most experienced man for the job but please give us something going forward. 5 points from play in 78 minutes football

I was thinking the same myself over the weekend. When defensive football was at it's most effective, we played into the opposition's hands.

Now when even Donegal and Tyrone, nevermind Dublin and Kerry and by all accounts Galway under Joyce, have found ways to counter the defensive game and are more attacking in their outlook, we again are possibly slow to react.

Could possibly be a bit harsh after just one league game, and we were missing Harrison and Mooney who are huge attacking threats. But in general I hope we are more adventurous and I'd hate to be in Derrys position with Rory Gallagher in charge. The match reports from their opening game was horrific.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 27, 2020, 10:02:06 PM
We created plenty of decent chances yesterday and the fact that we only scored four points from play was down to pretty poor shooting rather than defensive tactics. The dreadful pitch also meant that neither side was likely to run up a big total. It was disappointing that we did not use the extra man to secure the win but we should be judged after a run of league games and not on day one. We will definitely have a better idea about our prospects after the  Derry game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 28, 2020, 09:37:28 AM
Was Johnny Flynn not fit to start on Sunday? I think currently him and Donnelly probably our strongest midfield partnership. Kerr pushing for a start id imagine this Saturday evening,  any word on Laverty or James Guinness, both still injured?

Team for Saturday

Burns
Fegan
McKernan
McAleenan
Collins
O'Hagan
Annett
Flynn
Donnelly
D Guinness
Quinn
McCabe
Havern
O Hare
Kerr
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 28, 2020, 09:41:01 AM
With new season fast approaching, any thoughts on year ahead. By all accounts Bryansford and Warrenpoint are training to the max and I expect a good start in the league for them. Division two is going to be a dogfight but experience of Frank Dawson should get the Town back up. Is John Rafferty still managing Downpatrick?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 28, 2020, 10:50:13 AM
Ed that's not a bad team and probably our strongest available. Some really good attacking players and a solid defence. I would expect that team to beat Derry. Derry will probably bring a few lads into the team that didn't okay on Saturday night. I think they were missing a few. Harrison on the bench would be good
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 28, 2020, 11:09:38 AM
Quote from: hardstation on January 27, 2020, 07:09:49 PM
Not sure what good will come of hounding yet another manager. Down are as good as their players are and at the minute that's weak enough.
HS, Good you got an away win yourselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on January 28, 2020, 11:10:34 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 28, 2020, 09:37:28 AM
Was Johnny Flynn not fit to start on Sunday? I think currently him and Donnelly probably our strongest midfield partnership. Kerr pushing for a start id imagine this Saturday evening,  any word on Laverty or James Guinness, both still injured?

Team for Saturday

Burns
Fegan
McKernan
McAleenan
Collins
O'Hagan
Annett
Flynn
Donnelly
D Guinness
Quinn
McCabe
Havern
O Hare
Kerr
Dodgy full back line
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on January 28, 2020, 03:56:50 PM
I am positive about most thinks Red and Black, but McKernan is not our full back. Roasted v Antrim and Tyrone. He will struggle for a starting 15 place but if to get one has to be further out the field as Full back is not it. Johnny Flynn is full of running, but not a midfielder at this level, unfortunately we dont have the players for every position. Donnelly will be strong for midfield, Mooney is a miss. agree Kerr should start

PS Smurfy......  Average age of starting team was 24
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 28, 2020, 05:10:24 PM
McArdle to go to full back if fit and McKernan on the bench. But he is filling a gap where we are weak so really who else have we to out into full back? Could Flynn do full back and push McCabe to midfield and Poland around the half forward line for his physical attributes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walt Jabsco on January 28, 2020, 08:37:34 PM
Any dates for the start of the leagues released yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 28, 2020, 09:42:17 PM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on January 28, 2020, 08:37:34 PM
Any dates for the start of the leagues released yet?
Draft proposals are out, have them in work. Will post the start dates tomorrow if I remember
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 29, 2020, 06:49:37 PM
3rd April
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walt Jabsco on January 29, 2020, 07:29:38 PM
Thanks  Could I assume that Round 2 is on 6th or 7th
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 30, 2020, 07:34:40 PM
Think this is right.
ACPRL 22 Feb

Div 3 29 March
Div 1 and 2 3 April, 6, 17, 24
May, 1, 8, 15 30
June, 5, 12, 19, 26.
July 3, 9, 24.
Championship 30/31 1 and 2
Aug 7.
Championship 13, 14, 15 and 17
Championship 20,21,22,23,24
Championship 28, 29, 31
Sept 4 and 19
Championship 11,12,13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walt Jabsco on January 30, 2020, 11:24:20 PM
Much appreciated SB
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 31, 2020, 12:33:05 AM
cheers SB
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 31, 2020, 09:33:43 AM
SB would Div 4 start on the 3rd April too then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 31, 2020, 10:22:40 AM
When will fixtures be released?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 31, 2020, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 31, 2020, 10:22:40 AM
When will fixtures be released?
Just checked the list I have and there's no mention of D4. Fixtures should be out soon, were released 15 Feb last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 31, 2020, 06:55:50 PM
Team named as Burns; D O'Hagan, McArdle, McAleenan; Collins, McKernan, Annett; Flynn, Poland; B O'Hagan, Devlin, Guinness; McCabe, O'Hare, Quinn.
Tally made some late changes last week and may do so again as it is difficult to believe that Poland is going to start at midfield while a couple of others made very little impact in Clonmel. It is striking that Devlin is straight back at centre forward with no sign of any other Kilcoo players. The two Johnsons will presumably return but there have been no hints so far that they could be joined by a couple of Branagans. Anyway, it is likely to be a tight one tomorrow with much at stake between two sides who are not particularly high on confidence. If we have made some progress over the use of the mark, it would make a big difference.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on January 31, 2020, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 31, 2020, 06:55:50 PM
Team named as Burns; D O'Hagan, McArdle, McAleenan; Collins, McKernan, Annett; Flynn, Poland; B O'Hagan, Devlin, Guinness; McCabe, O'Hare, Quinn.
Tally made some late changes last week and may do so again as it is difficult to believe that Poland is going to start at midfield while a couple of others made very little impact in Clonmel. It is striking that Devlin is straight back at centre forward with no sign of any other Kilcoo players. The two Johnsons will presumably return but there have been no hints so far that they could be joined by a couple of Branagans. Anyway, it is likely to be a tight one tomorrow with much at stake between two sides who are not particularly high on confidence. If we have made some progress over the use of the mark, it would make a big difference.
from what I'm hearing none of the branagans will join up with the down team, but 6 others will ! But no call up as of yet for their goal keeper McCourt 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 01, 2020, 10:33:03 AM
Looks a good team. I would prefer Kerr in from the start but good team
Massive match. Come on lads we can do it
Down by 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 01, 2020, 02:57:49 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on January 31, 2020, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 31, 2020, 06:55:50 PM
Team named as Burns; D O'Hagan, McArdle, McAleenan; Collins, McKernan, Annett; Flynn, Poland; B O'Hagan, Devlin, Guinness; McCabe, O'Hare, Quinn.
Tally made some late changes last week and may do so again as it is difficult to believe that Poland is going to start at midfield while a couple of others made very little impact in Clonmel. It is striking that Devlin is straight back at centre forward with no sign of any other Kilcoo players. The two Johnsons will presumably return but there have been no hints so far that they could be joined by a couple of Branagans. Anyway, it is likely to be a tight one tomorrow with much at stake between two sides who are not particularly high on confidence. If we have made some progress over the use of the mark, it would make a big difference.
from what I'm hearing none of the branagans will join up with the down team, but 6 others will ! But no call up as of yet for their goal keeper McCourt 🤷‍♂️

Irish News says Jerome J, Aaron Morgan, Paul D and C Doherty all returned to Down training this week. Wonder If any others will return, Id imagine Ryan Johnson will be back soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JoG2 on February 01, 2020, 03:49:41 PM
Men, any local radio stations carrying tonight's game? Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 01, 2020, 09:08:24 PM
Massive 2 points
Massive
Regardless of the game it was all about the win
Thank god for Paudie Hughes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 01, 2020, 09:20:21 PM
Paudie's some boy, very important 2 points secured
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: grounded on February 01, 2020, 09:58:25 PM
Yep a wins a win. Two teams not going well at the minute, but we just about got the result. With the exception of Cork(and i could be wrong!) I don't think there is much between the other counties in the division. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 01, 2020, 10:26:01 PM
Critical 2 points thanks to Rory Gallagher.  The man has lost the run of himself. Tally got it right and Down got out of jail.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 01, 2020, 10:26:41 PM
There were two ordinary enough sides in Newry tonight and the better managed one got over the line for a crucial win. Tally made the right subs and was able to cope with Poland's back card, while Gallagher spent the night yapping at his players and the officials for no apparent reason.

Darren O'Hagan was our best player as usual and the defence was generally solid. Burns was excellent under the dropping ball although his kick outs to an under pressure midfield were mixed. Our forwards worked hard on limited possession, with an important contribution from Kerr coming off the bench.

We took the lead for the first time with less than five minutes left and had the organisation necessary to grind out the result. Derry's discipline let themselves down in the closing stages and Barry O'Hagan's late black card was a classic example of taking one for the team.

There are very tight margins in D3 but we have left ourselves in the position we wanted to be after two games and promotion is in our own hands now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on February 01, 2020, 11:55:30 PM
Hard game to watch with very few pieces of good football on show
Down dug in well last 15 minutes when they went down to 14 men
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 02, 2020, 04:22:40 PM
Certainly not the best Ive seen Down play under Tally, but one thing you have to give him and this bunch of players is their ability to go right to the very end, Derry should have had them beat after Poland's black, Down just kept plugging away and eventually got their reward. The defence seemed to copy reasonably well, after unsettled first 10mins. Mf battled rightly, but the lack of ability to win our own kickouts is really becoming a massive problem and thats whole middle 8 fault and the keepers. Would make the game a lot easier if we could atleast break even in MF. (Some catch from Sean Doran at the death tho)  forwards done ok on little supply but I cant think of any really goal chances they created. Having said all that only thing that matters was the win and they ground it out. Be good to have few more lads back tho, (Harrison, Donnelly, Ryan Johnson, James Guinness and whoever else I've forgotten) make some difference.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 02, 2020, 04:23:07 PM
Good weekend for all in Down. Footballers, hurlers, camogs and ladies footballers come away with wins
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 02, 2020, 04:26:20 PM
Also Hughes is v poor ref, its a very hard job at the best of times but that man just makes it worse for himself some of the decisions last night were baffling, especially when not giving Derry advantage in the 1st half when they might have worked a goal chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 02, 2020, 04:55:59 PM
Or the time he blew the Derry many up for over carrying the ball on his own 14. If Derry could shoot they would have won comfortably. We have big problems on kickouts. We give Derry every kickout and now instead of kicking the ball out to the side like last year they have changed it down the middle of the pitch. Massive improvements needed. Thinking about this today I think we are better in tier 2 at least we will get a few games but the minute we play a division 2 team it's lights out and god forbid S division 1 team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 02, 2020, 04:57:35 PM
Poland going off helped Down. He was dead on his feet and gave a few wayward passes before the black. Definitely not a midfielder of intercounty standard. Derry are shocking and not beating them in Newry would have been criminal. DOH again Downs best player. Being realistic I don't expect to get anything in Cork but Down should win the remaining games in the division and that should be enough for promotion. The team certainly missing Mooney and his direct running. Young Kerr excellent when he came on and should start the next day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 02, 2020, 09:30:15 PM
Neither of our midfielders are naturals for the position but they ran themselves into the ground  and disrupted Derry's supply lines all night. We are likely to be missing Mooney for quite a while so other options need to be explored. While Kerr is a fine prospect, he is still only 20 and introducing him in the second half as the game opens up is probably the best approach. We have got ourselves into a decent position in D3 after two games and we will have a clearer idea about our prospects after the trip to Cork.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on February 03, 2020, 12:01:05 AM
Great win last night and well grinded out.Paddy is doing some job, teaching us how to win by toughness and resilience.

Knowing about University Football myself and Paddy's approach he has brought those skills to the inter county arena.

Now I must get off this phone and back to a few pints here on my favorite Sunday of the year.
Patrick Mahomes to cooper fasten his MVP credentials with The Chiefs by 9 or more.
It will be a red weekend with us creating more Premier League records ,Down win and Chiefs about to.
Now back to the drink #Superbowl2020
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on February 03, 2020, 02:46:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 02, 2020, 09:30:15 PM
Neither of our midfielders are naturals for the position but they ran themselves into the ground  and disrupted Derry's supply lines all night. We are likely to be missing Mooney for quite a while so other options need to be explored. While Kerr is a fine prospect, he is still only 20 and introducing him in the second half as the game opens up is probably the best approach. We have got ourselves into a decent position in D3 after two games and we will have a clearer idea about our prospects after the trip to Cork.

Kerr was minor same year as Clifford and O'Se I think - so age shouldn't be an issue. If he's good enough deserves a start. Based on performance Sat evening I think he deserves a start next time out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 04, 2020, 05:29:53 PM
I see Abbey knocked out at the first knockout phase today. What an underachieving school.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 04, 2020, 05:59:58 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 04, 2020, 05:29:53 PM
I see Abbey knocked out at the first knockout phase today. What an underachieving school.
If the players aren't there,what can you expect?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on February 04, 2020, 06:09:01 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 04, 2020, 05:29:53 PM
I see Abbey knocked out at the first knockout phase today. What an underachieving school.
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2020, 05:59:58 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 04, 2020, 05:29:53 PM
I see Abbey knocked out at the first knockout phase today. What an underachieving school.
If the players aren't there,what can you expect?

As a guy who was an Abbey Boy I just can't understand it but I think it is at the stage now that we enter B Competitions , we are a McLarnon School not a McRory School anymore.

Down the school Abbey are entered into B competitions.

Time we just entered the McLarnon and we would hardly win it but it is the standard Abbey is at.The feeder clubs have delusions of gradeur as does the School.But reality is we are a B School .

Abbey are a McLarnon School not a McRory School.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 04, 2020, 07:04:57 PM
Haven't the player? Backboned by that Burren team along with McGovern who is potentially the best player at that level along with 5 or 6 Armagh minors
But sure they haven't the players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 04, 2020, 08:32:39 PM
The Burren lads are only 6th year.

If they don't make the later changes next year then questions should definitely be asked.  Questions should be asked anyway given the ultra defensive football they play under Gormley.  Sickening to see 16 and 17 year olds playing to this sort of system.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CornUladh on February 04, 2020, 09:24:16 PM
Ah lads. Bit of an over reaction in here about  the abbey. St Pats Armagh aren't exactly minnows of the ulster colleges so it's surely not a huge surprise? Down and Armagh teams havent a good record at underage in recent years so the abbey have no divine right to win that tie today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 04, 2020, 10:21:23 PM
Quote from: yewtree on February 04, 2020, 06:09:01 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 04, 2020, 05:29:53 PM
I see Abbey knocked out at the first knockout phase today. What an underachieving school.
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2020, 05:59:58 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 04, 2020, 05:29:53 PM
I see Abbey knocked out at the first knockout phase today. What an underachieving school.
If the players aren't there,what can you expect?

As a guy who was an Abbey Boy I just can't understand it but I think it is at the stage now that we enter B Competitions , we are a McLarnon School not a McRory School anymore.

Down the school Abbey are entered into B competitions.

Time we just entered the McLarnon and we would hardly win it but it is the standard Abbey is at.The feeder clubs have delusions of gradeur as does the School.But reality is we are a B School .

Abbey are a McLarnon School not a McRory School.
Feeder clubs????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 05, 2020, 09:39:33 AM
Has anyone got a copy of the Abbey team because I believe they draw players from the biggest clubs in South Down and South Armagh?
Am I right to say they have not reached a final since 2006?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on February 05, 2020, 09:51:16 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on February 04, 2020, 08:32:39 PM
The Burren lads are only 6th year.

If they don't make the later changes next year then questions should definitely be asked.  Questions should be asked anyway given the ultra defensive football they play under Gormley.  Sickening to see 16 and 17 year olds playing to this sort of system.

Correct Burren lads are 6th year as is McGovern, but that shouldn't be an excuse at this age. Enniskillen won it last year with quite a few 6th years (which makes it surprising that they got knocked out too).

In fairness to the coaches the Abbey haven't been overly defensive this year - maybe the criticism from last year has had an effect. If anything Armagh were more defensive yesterday.

The biggest reason they lost yesterday was that McGovern went off injured after 15 mins or so. Their forwards are pretty ordinary without him.

To be fair this age group have been average enough the whole way up - next year will be telling. That group won D'alton, Brock and got to Cor Na Nog final. Could be their standard once in 20 year opportunity to get somewhere in the McRory.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on February 05, 2020, 10:13:47 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 05, 2020, 09:39:33 AM
Has anyone got a copy of the Abbey team because I believe they draw players from the biggest clubs in South Down and South Armagh?
Am I right to say they have not reached a final since 2006?

5 Burren
3 Ballyholland
2 Killeavey
1 Silverbridge
1 Mayobridge
1 Warrenpoint
1 Belleek ans 1 I don't know

Not sure about 2006 but sounds about right. Think the Abbey have only ever won it 6 or 7 times in total
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The_Slug on February 05, 2020, 10:45:04 AM
Quote from: Too many steps on February 05, 2020, 10:13:47 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 05, 2020, 09:39:33 AM
Has anyone got a copy of the Abbey team because I believe they draw players from the biggest clubs in South Down and South Armagh?
Am I right to say they have not reached a final since 2006?

5 Burren
3 Ballyholland
2 Killeavey
1 Silverbridge
1 Mayobridge
1 Warrenpoint
1 Belleek ans 1 I don't know

Not sure about 2006 but sounds about right. Think the Abbey have only ever won it 6 or 7 times in total

Coming from Tyrone, we would always associate St.Colemans as the big footballing school in Newry and the Abbey were always a team that struggled (almost like a second choice school in football terms), they always has 2 or 3 really good players but then the rest of the teams were mediocre players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 05, 2020, 11:18:07 AM
the 6th year argument does not cut it either, these are top players in the Abbey, underachieving yet again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: seafoid on February 05, 2020, 09:19:47 PM
A blast from the past and the sadly missed Sunday Tribune

Grandaddy of them all
Despite a storied life that's seen controversy and conflict, Maurice Hayes is proudest of masterminding Down's revolution
Ewan MacKenna

Hands on: despite admitting that it may seem 'childish' compared to so many conflicts, Maurice Hayes cites his work with Down as one of his proudest achievements

The exact year has been lost from a mind overflowing with brilliant memories, but it was roughly around the millennium when Maurice Hayes' sister-in-law called over with a box of old negatives. They belonged to his father who had fought "very little" in Mesopotamia during the first world war. But when he had them printed, they turned out to be shots of Baghdad and Basra in 1919. By coincidence, having been the man who'd done much of the groundwork for the Patten Report into policing in Northern Ireland, he was later asked to talk to a group of important Iraqi figures and brought the photographs along.
"They were so excited, they were shouting 'There's the mosque' and 'Saddam blew that up'. I was telling them my father would never talk about the war but loved the Arabs and thought they were like the Irish as they had a verbal culture and liked story-telling. He thought they were very badly treated and if George Bush had ever talked to him, he'd never have gone near the place. These Iraqis were delighted with hearing all of this." It was just another day in the amazing life of Maurice Hayes.
But, since this is the sports section and only one page, we'll move on. Last Monday, when the 83-year-old went to Newry and saw a queue for the All Ireland finalists' open night, he got thinking about 50 years ago and how the gates were opened. Success came pouring through and has trickled right on into the present. "It made me proud and I realised that, while it may seem childish compared to other things, helping Down to that 1960 All Ireland was right up with the best things I've done."
Yet in the beginning there was darkness. When Hayes took over as county secretary in the 1950s, Down had never even won an Ulster title. Put it this way, in 1956 Kerry's Paudie Sheehy had been marking Kevin Mussen in the Railway Cup and told him that it must be terrible to play for a county that will never win anything. Mussen later said that championship preparation back then involved 20 lads on gameday showing up and having jerseys thrown at them. "It was worse than that," Hayes laughs. "They spent more time trying to get jerseys back off them because it would cost money."
Having hurled for Down, Hayes initially tried to push that code as an administrator. Himself and Paddy O'Donoghue, who would later become an SDLP politician, decided the best way forward was to start over and focus on kids. But the existing clubs stood in the way because of fear of competition. Hayes saw it as a fear of ambition. "It's one of the regrets I have generally, that hurling is getting smaller. I much prefer it to football and it's the game that's the glory."
On the football side of Down, there was similar thinking at the time. After winning the junior All Ireland in 1946, Down were happy to be a medium-sized fish in that puddle. "The idea was to prevent people playing senior so they'd qualify for junior. It was a disaster." There were other disasters too. The team was picked by a county board that was relieved when the seniors got dumped out of the championship so they could get back to club scene. In short, while the players were there, the support system wasn't. But after the county barely managed to field a team for a 1957 defeat to Donegal, Hayes was hell-bent on change.
"There was a rule where you could be suspended for six months for refusing to play with the county team. I saw it that if a team was so lousy you had to sanction people for not playing then you were going no place. The thing to do was build a team people would give their right arm to get on but that took time. We went around and talked to each guy separately. There were other things going on too. Paddy Doherty had been playing soccer with Lincoln and we wanted to get him home and at that time there was a wonderful thing called a clemency committee which was supposed to correct miscarriages of justice. It was all wheeling and dealing and we got Doherty reinstated. PJ McIlroy had been off in forestry and I remember writing to him, telling him to keep fit because we were putting a team together. James McCartan had been suspended. It wasn't easy."
But other problems remained, such as the standard of club football. If Hayes' diplomacy had come from his father, his sporting nous had come from his mother. A Kerry woman from Shannon Rovers, it was from her county he got the idea of regional teams. "Up to that we had a lot of small clubs and nearly everyone was a midfielder. There were guys getting beaten to death carrying their teams and we wanted to give them the satisfaction of playing with better players. But, while we were doing all of this, a lot of the county board thought we were lunatics and it'd all come crashing down."

Yet another obstacle, according to Hayes, was that the county was stuck in the shadow of Cavan. As was the majority of Ulster. "We wanted to get out of here because it was so incestuous. The teams here played each other in a thing called the Lagan Cup, named after a Dr Lagan in Omagh whose son is now producing a very decent wine in Western Australia called Chateau Xanadu. But it induced a notion that somehow people from Kerry and these places were giants." So off they went opening pitches from Listowel to Knockbridge and Hayes reckons the best game of football he ever saw was a match between Dublin and Down one Friday to raise money for St Vincent's. So wide did Down spread their wings they even found themselves playing Galway in the final of the 1959 Wembley tournament.
"We were over there staying in this God awful hotel and there was a wee Dublin porter and he says 'I wouldn't eat here if I was you, bugs were in the kitchen last week'. We didn't. But we learned a lot about ourselves beating Galway. I was talking to Kevin O'Neill before the match and he was marking Joe Young. I said to Kevin, he's not great, you can handle him. Kevin came in at half-time and said 'I've marked better in Maghera'. And they were bottom of Division 4 of the Down league."
That was the essence of what the revolution was about. Although in the process Down revolutionised the GAA. Barney Carr became team manager, Danny Flynn was trainer, there was collective training, physios, meals, the lot. And all of it was done on a budget that barely existed. "Sure the physios were just people in hospitals giving us a hand and there were no huge meals, we were operating on the free milk up in a school, it was there for the children from the British government. But the difference we made was we started building team spirit. A lot of things the GPA were looking for, we had been doing."
You bring up the idea of his five-year plan to win an All Ireland and he scoffs at an idea that has become legend. "People talked about certain things I did and they are blown out of proportion. Like they say us being the first team with tracksuits was some psychological thing. What happened was in those days the subs would tog out, put on their boots and pull their trousers back on. That was great until we played a minor match one time and there was a guy from the Longstone and he was gone very trendy and had gotten drainpipe trousers. He couldn't get his trousers off without taking off his boots and it took us about 10 minutes getting this sub onto the field. After that we said we'd get tracksuits. It was the same with the five-year plan. It was blown out of proportion years later."
Instead all he ever wanted was progression as Down went from an Ulster final defeat in 1958 to a title in 1959 after a 15-point win over Cavan. By then he knew they would win it all. But 1960 was sooner than he expected. "It was hard getting rid of the mentality, the northern one, of coming down to give a good show and being happy with that. People talk about Down confidence or arrogance, but coming from the north, we deliberately cultivated it. We wanted to instil the idea we were as good as anyone. In fact in that final against Kerry the team sprinted onto the pitch. That was trendsetting. So was our style. Kerry had a zonal game and we exploited that with movement. It was interesting because we got a lot of support from hurling counties because our game had a hurling fluidity. We knew if we got the ball to the forwards they'd do damage and a huge part of it was Liam Murphy's kickouts over midfield."
Later that same day, as he left Croke Park as the man that masterminded history and walked down O'Connell Street, Hayes was passed by a Morris Minor with Sam Maguire strapped to the roof and northern accents shouting out the windows at Dublin people. He decided that wasn't for him and, instead of heading home with the team, got a lift to the Listowel Races. The rest of them headed for the border and, when they became the first team to cross into Northern Ireland as champions and reached Newry, 30,000 were waiting. "That's all back projection though. We had no concept of bringing it across the border, we just went there to win a match."
The following year Down were back and won the All Ireland in front of the biggest ever crowd to witness an Irish sporting event. After that they brought in black shorts instead of white for "peripheral vision and so we didn't have to change our colours so often". And by 1964 Hayes was even favoured to become GAA General-Secretary. "I was walking down Jones's Road after that with two other people that hadn't been appointed. We were congratulating ourselves that we were the only three people in Ireland that were thought less able to do a job than Seán Ó Síocháin. The other two were Con Murphy and Kevin Heffernan. Ach, life goes on."
But after their 1968 All Ireland victory it began to go in the wrong direction. Down wasn't at the forefront of the Troubles because "it got the land-owning problems out of the way when the Normans came in the 12th century and sure in 1968 there was a reception here in Downpatrick for us and the local cricket team." But in other places the dark clouds were gathering. As three-time All Ireland winners in a single decade they were invited by the Lord Mayor of Belfast to a banquet. Outside Ian Paisley's wife was among the protesters.
Back in 1960, Down had beaten Cavan to win the first part of their double. Kevin Mussen was in Hilltown at the time and put the trophy on a sideboard when the postman came in. "He was a B Special, and he turned to Mussen and said 'Jaysus, you took it off the f***ers'." But while that unity would disappear, the impact of Hayes' achievements wouldn't.
"I spent most of my career in human relations and I learned more from those 1960 guys than anyone. They were from every sort of background. Teachers, solicitors, mechanics. Pat Rice's club had a do for his 70th, the poor fella died not long after it, and I asked Pat where he'd been because I hadn't seen him in a long time. Turns out he was out in Iraq building palaces for Saddam Hussein. I told him he was the guy half the intelligence agencies were looking for, he knew where all the strong rooms were. But they were all guys of quality in their own right."
And their impact was everywhere. One of the team's biggest supporters was Noel Duggan from Cork who Hayes keeps meeting at players' funerals as one by one, the past seems ever more distant. Even in today's team he can see that risky style that they introduced. And while it helped GAA grow in the north, it helped the south to admire.
"I was doing to that old forum in Europe thing a while back and I was at this very rowdy meeting in Wexford one night in which Garret Fitzgerald attempted to prove to his own statistical satisfaction that the Irish fishing industry never had it so good. And this to a crowd in Kilmore Quay who couldn't pay for fuel to get their boats out of the harbour. It was very raucous and this big guy stopped me on the way out and I wondered what was going to happen. He says in this deep voice, 'I have just one question for you'. What's that? 'I'm going to mention three names I want to know what they mean to you... O'Neill, McCartan and Doherty?' The half-forward line on the 1960 Down teams.
The guy stared down and started to laugh. "You're the man." And all because of just another day in the amazing life of Maurice Hayes.
emackenna@tribune.ie
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 06, 2020, 02:45:18 PM
Great stuff Seafoid.

Are many of yiz heading Cork?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on February 06, 2020, 06:47:54 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 06, 2020, 02:45:18 PM
Great stuff Seafoid.

Are many of yiz heading Cork?

Excellent article from Seafoid, thanks for sharing.

I'll be in Cork, weather permitting. I'm not 100% sure the game will go ahead if the weather forecast is correct. Just hope that if they call it off, they do so quite early.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on February 06, 2020, 08:40:03 PM
Coiste Chontae an Dun and the family that is Down GAA are saddened to learn of the death of Sean Smith, a former County Senior Football team manager. A native of Maghery in Co Armagh, Sean won an All Ireland Minor medal in 1949 with his home County. It was though with his adopted County of Down that Sean came to prominence as the manager of the great Bryansford team of the late 1960s early 70s. Sean had two spells as Down Senior team manager guiding the team to Ulster Senior Finals in 1974 and 1975 and then again in 1986. An Anglo Celt victory was to elude him but he helped provide many memorable days for Down supporters during his terms as manager. A man who was passionate about the game and who was a great exponent of coaching, it was often said that Sean Smith was ahead of his time.

We in Down GAA extend our deepest sympathy to his wife Mary, his daughter and sons and the entire Smith family circle. To the Gaels of Bryansford we also extend our sympathy at this time.

Ar dheis de go raibh a anam.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 06, 2020, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on February 06, 2020, 08:40:03 PM
Coiste Chontae an Dun and the family that is Down GAA are saddened to learn of the death of Sean Smith, a former County Senior Football team manager. A native of Maghery in Co Armagh, Sean won an All Ireland Minor medal in 1949 with his home County. It was though with his adopted County of Down that Sean came to prominence as the manager of the great Bryansford team of the late 1960s early 70s. Sean had two spells as Down Senior team manager guiding the team to Ulster Senior Finals in 1974 and 1975 and then again in 1986. An Anglo Celt victory was to elude him but he helped provide many memorable days for Down supporters during his terms as manager. A man who was passionate about the game and who was a great exponent of coaching, it was often said that Sean Smith was ahead of his time.

We in Down GAA extend our deepest sympathy to his wife Mary, his daughter and sons and the entire Smith family circle. To the Gaels of Bryansford we also extend our sympathy at this time.

Ar dheis de go raibh a anam.
May he rest in peace . Was the manager in 80s when I started going to games as a kid.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on February 07, 2020, 05:50:43 AM
I had the honour of playing for UUJ (or the Poly as it was known then) in the early eighties when Sean Smyth was the manager. He was held in the highest esteem, indeed a man well before his time. I assume his funeral will be in Antrim Town where he has lived for many years since taking up a teaching principal job there many years ago. May he rest in peace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on February 07, 2020, 09:10:08 AM
Quote from: bannside on February 07, 2020, 05:50:43 AM
I had the honour of playing for UUJ (or the Poly as it was known then) in the early eighties when Sean Smyth was the manager. He was held in the highest esteem, indeed a man well before his time. I assume his funeral will be in Antrim Town where he has lived for many years since taking up a teaching principal job there many years ago. May he rest in peace.

Smith (Ardglass, formerly Antrim), Sean RIP, Died 5th February 2020. Dearly beloved husband of Mary (nee Henvey) and loving Dad to Mary, Aidan, John and Malachy. Dear father-in-law of Tom, Mairead, Joan-Edel and Nicola. Devoted grandfather to John, Sean, Conor, Ciara, Declan, James, Meabh and Kate. Dear brother of Jimmy and Barbara and the late Anne, Hughie and Kathleen.

Funeral from his home, 1 Green Road, Ardglass on Saturday 8th February 2020 at 11.15am for 12 noon Requiem Mass in St Nicholas' Church, Ardglass. Burial afterwards in the adjoining Calvary Cemetery.

Deeply regretted by his entire family circle and friends.

Sacred Heart of Jesus have mercy on his soul.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 07, 2020, 10:19:28 AM
Are division 3 fixtures out yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on February 07, 2020, 10:24:50 AM
Thanks for that clarification Ambrose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 07, 2020, 12:04:01 PM
Here is a thought for discussion. Teams in division 4 to be allowed to sanction 3 players from div 1 or 2 clubs who are not on the first 13. These could be something that would benefit a lot of small clubs . Thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 07, 2020, 12:50:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 07, 2020, 12:04:01 PM
Here is a thought for discussion. Teams in division 4 to be allowed to sanction 3 players from div 1 or 2 clubs who are not on the first 13. These could be something that would benefit a lot of small clubs . Thoughts?
Hilarious.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 07, 2020, 01:27:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 07, 2020, 12:04:01 PM
Here is a thought for discussion. Teams in division 4 to be allowed to sanction 3 players from div 1 or 2 clubs who are not on the first 13. These could be something that would benefit a lot of small clubs . Thoughts?

No. No no no no.

You'd have fellas almost ostracized from their own clubs?


How about:
- matches in Div4 should be able to be 13 a-side (or maybe even 11 a-side) and still be a valid league fixture if one team cannot field the full 15.
- a 7s league? (possibly ideal for smaller clubs that aren't confident about being able to field a full team through the year)
- Div3 and 4 clubs are exempt from the rules outlawing underage players from playing senior football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 07, 2020, 01:35:42 PM
7s football in shit, the team who can cheat the best ie get a man on to defend when you score usually wins.
The demise of sevens football throughout Ireland is down to this and Down teams were the best at it.
Sevens used to be brilliant and I mind as a young cub heading around the country watching some great sevens tournaments, the cheating began and that ended it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on February 07, 2020, 08:23:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 07, 2020, 12:04:01 PM
Here is a thought for discussion. Teams in division 4 to be allowed to sanction 3 players from div 1 or 2 clubs who are not on the first 13. These could be something that would benefit a lot of small clubs . Thoughts?

Probably one of the most ridiculous suggestions I've ever heard!
Fixtures are out for All-County leagues; I see the derby starts have been done away with. I actually liked that recent innovation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 07, 2020, 09:07:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 07, 2020, 01:35:42 PM
7s football in shit, the team who can cheat the best ie get a man on to defend when you score usually wins.
The demise of sevens football throughout Ireland is down to this and Down teams were the best at it.
Sevens used to be brilliant and I mind as a young cub heading around the country watching some great sevens tournaments, the cheating began and that ended it.

Yes, because it would be utterly impossible to change the rules to make it that the player coming off must leave at the centreline and the player coming on must come on at the centreline and the latter cannot set foot on the pitch before the former steps off it.... and there is no break in play for substitutes.

Impossible. Simply couldn't be done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 07, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
All the fixtures out today. Sorry have them in work and can't remember when 4 starts. We open up at home v DPK
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 08, 2020, 11:53:36 AM
Where can one see the fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on February 08, 2020, 01:34:17 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 08, 2020, 11:53:36 AM
Where can one see the fixtures?

http://www.downgaa.net/fixtures
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on February 08, 2020, 09:21:01 PM
Excellent (free) commentary on ArmaghTV tonight from the Athletic Grounds, would be great if our own county could provide a similar service for those who can't make it to games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 09, 2020, 06:43:18 PM
The result from Cork was predictable enough and anyone who travelled through the storm to get there deserves great credit. The radio commentary suggested that we missed enough chances when we had the wind in the second half to get something out of the game. It is striking that we performed better with a man down against Derry than we did with a man up against both Tipperary and Cork. However, it was good to see both Patrick Murdoch and James Guinness getting a run and our squad should be getting stronger. The next match, at home to Longford in two weeks, will probably decide our fate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 09, 2020, 08:31:28 PM
Just in. Same things keep happening Cork dominated the restart but we give them every kickout in the first half. 14 men behind the ball the first half and conceded 8 and coukd have been much more. Took on 2 forwards  at half time but Cork started to run the ball and we were all at sea and they wenti to a 9 point lead with 10 to go. Quinn scored a goal and a point to make things look better but it wasn't enough. We seem to drop plenty back but have no attacking strategy and kickouts are none existent. I would worry if Darren o Hagen got injured and Quinn seems to be the only man who can hit the net. 2 points from play from our forwards is a poor return. Next match massive
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 09, 2020, 09:00:46 PM
He doesn't seem to have a clue of his best team which is another problem.  Any word on how long Mooney is likely to be out for ?  Is Harrison even on the panel ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 09, 2020, 09:01:58 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on February 09, 2020, 09:00:46 PM
He doesn't seem to have a clue of his best team which is another problem.  Any word on how long Mooney is likely to be out for ?  Is Harrison even on the panel ?
will be lucky if mooney is back for the championship season by all accounts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 09, 2020, 09:12:12 PM
Harrison working away apparently but makes weekends. Can't see Mooney playing until next year. I just don't get why we are so defensive and the lads that runs on the pitch you could hear him shouting when Cork has the ball get back get back. Surely PT was brought in to do more than that? Spillane got it right in the paper Down will set up defensive but won't have enough up front to trouble Cork. I expected so much more from PT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on February 09, 2020, 09:23:58 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 09, 2020, 09:12:12 PM
Harrison working away apparently but makes weekends. Can't see Mooney playing until next year. I just don't get why we are so defensive and the lads that runs on the pitch you could hear him shouting when Cork has the ball get back get back. Surely PT was brought in to do more than that? Spillane got it right in the paper Down will set up defensive but won't have enough up front to trouble Cork. I expected so much more from PT
Don't know why u expected more from PT he's a defensive coach always has been, maybe that's why he never got the number 1 job in any other county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 09, 2020, 09:28:53 PM
He won an All Ireland with Tyrone and got Down to a final and also won a Sigerson with St Mary's. That's why I expected more from him. Yes he is a defensive coach but everyone has moved on. Did you not expect more from him or are you happy with what we are getting?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on February 09, 2020, 11:06:57 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 09, 2020, 09:28:53 PM
He won an All Ireland with Tyrone and got Down to a final and also won a Sigerson with St Mary's. That's why I expected more from him. Yes he is a defensive coach but everyone has moved on. Did you not expect more from him or are you happy with what we are getting?
no I did not expect more from him, did u watch St Mary's in the sigerson, 14 men back all the time. And he was only trainer for Tyrone and Down not making any decisions. And no I didn't want him in the 1st place as he sets his team up to not get beat, as opposed to win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CornUladh on February 09, 2020, 11:43:01 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 09, 2020, 09:28:53 PM
He won an All Ireland with Tyrone and got Down to a final and also won a Sigerson with St Mary's. That's why I expected more from him. Yes he is a defensive coach but everyone has moved on. Did you not expect more from him or are you happy with what we are getting?
Mickey Harte won 3 all irelands with Tyrone. The current Down manager was coach for the first in 2003 before Mickey dispensed with his services. He also won 1 Sigerson out of at least 15 attempts with an excellent team packed with excellent intercounty players and good club players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 09, 2020, 11:47:17 PM
Corn what I'm saying is I expected more from him. A bigger bounce but it hasn't happened. I still think Down will gain promotion but the football is dreadful. Did you expect more from him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 10, 2020, 09:15:43 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 09, 2020, 11:47:17 PM
Corn what I'm saying is I expected more from him. A bigger bounce but it hasn't happened. I still think Down will gain promotion but the football is dreadful. Did you expect more from him?
Question is. Do we have the players?  Down recycle ball time after time in the fwd line when in good scoring positions. Is this a fault of Tally ? Or because our fwds are not clinical enough infront of the posts. Look at our minors and u20's not exactly a conveyor belt of talent coming through.  What I have noted from Tallys time is Down now play to the final whistle they dont give up. I havent heard much from yesterday's game but I assume weather played a massive part in it and the lack of scoring forwards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: nrico2006 on February 10, 2020, 09:24:49 AM
How many teams get promoted?  It doesn't look to likely at this stage that Down will go up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 10, 2020, 09:28:33 AM
I would say it is his call that the forwards recycle the ball.
Snoopdog we are in division 3. Not so long ago in division 2 we were beating hallways Kildare Armagh Meath but now it's a struggle to beat teams in division 2. Don't buy that one were team plays to the end. Tyrone and Cork have comfortably beat us this year? Why didn't we play to the end?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 10, 2020, 10:26:42 AM
Against Tyrone they clawed it back to be within 4 points.  Against Cork yesterday they did keep plugging away. So if not Tally who do you suggest? We got rid of a man who got us up to Div 1. Swapping and changing managers isn't going to get us anywhere. On paper the 3 toughest games are behind us. None of the remaining games are gimmes but Down are more than capable of winning them .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 10, 2020, 10:31:06 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 10, 2020, 10:26:42 AM
Against Tyrone they clawed it back to be within 4 points.  Against Cork yesterday they did keep plugging away. So if not Tally who do you suggest? We got rid of a man who got us up to Div 1. Swapping and changing managers isn't going to get us anywhere. On paper the 3 toughest games are behind us. None of the remaining games are gimmes but Down are more than capable of winning them .

With the greatest respect to Longford, Louth, Leitrim and Offaly, but if we're only scraping past those four then we have no business in Div 2 (or Tier 1) anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 10, 2020, 10:51:07 AM
Down will win all remaining games. My gripe with this is I was expecting so much more from a PT team. Underwhelmed is an understatement
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: nrico2006 on February 10, 2020, 11:23:57 AM
I don't see how it can be a given that Down will definitely beat the remaining four teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on February 10, 2020, 11:45:29 AM
I can't see us beating Longford, this ultra defensive set up just doesn't suit us. It's horrible to watch. Just over 1500 turned out to watch yesterday's game in one of the finest stadiums in the country. Outside of the top two or three teams in the country, football is by and large unwatchable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 10, 2020, 11:52:46 AM
I think Offaly could be the trickiest match we have left. Agree with you Ambrose this system doesn't work with 14 behind the ball and try breaking out. We have some great forwards in O Hare Johnstone Quinn O Hagen McCabe Devlin Kerr but we are not getting there wheat out of them. In the 3 games to date I would say they have score 1-10 from play between them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 10, 2020, 11:57:06 AM
We missed plenty of chances yesterday but w really could do with harrison as a pivotal playing in attack, would like to see a forward line of O'Hagan, Quinn, McCabe, Jerome, Harrison and Donal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CornUladh on February 10, 2020, 02:59:01 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 09, 2020, 11:47:17 PM
Corn what I'm saying is I expected more from him. A bigger bounce but it hasn't happened. I still think Down will gain promotion but the football is dreadful. Did you expect more from him?
I think most accept down aren't a top 8 team consistently at the moment. I think most would accept Down playing a more attractive brand of football and losing than losing playing v conservative football which they are now. I think the current down managers work will benefit the next manager and they atill have a good chance of promotion but mo more room for error.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on February 10, 2020, 05:20:31 PM
Quote from: CornUladh on February 10, 2020, 02:59:01 PM
I think most accept down aren't a top 8 team consistently at the moment. I think most would accept Down playing a more attractive brand of football and losing than losing playing v conservative football which they are now. I think the current down managers work will benefit the next manager and they atill have a good chance of promotion but mo more room for error.

Down aren't a top 16 team at present. We would all like to see Down playing an attractive brand of football and winning, but we just don't have the players to do that. I could accept this putrid crap that we are forced to endure if it was getting results, but it's just not working.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 10, 2020, 05:25:27 PM
U20's play Cavan on Saturday, what sort of team do Down have for this? Many of last years team available?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on February 10, 2020, 08:52:28 PM
We got beaten by a team who took the dubs to the last 10 mins in Croke Park last year by 5 points and but for poor composure and what must've been 10 wides in the last 20 mins could've been right in with a shout. The second half was played man to man no sweepers so a lot of the tripe on here is really hard to read. We have our destiny in our own hands and have our 3 toughest games out of the way. We have more players coming back in now from injury and two weeks to prepare for Longford.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on February 10, 2020, 09:28:15 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on February 10, 2020, 08:52:28 PM
We got beaten by a team who took the dubs to the last 10 mins in Croke Park last year by 5 points and but for poor composure and what must've been 10 wides in the last 20 mins could've been right in with a shout. The second half was played man to man no sweepers so a lot of the tripe on here is really hard to read. We have our destiny in our own hands and have our 3 toughest games out of the way. We have more players coming back in now from injury and two weeks to prepare for Longford.
What a load of crap, Cork won pulling up I think they finished with 13 men. Result was never in doubt. And who is these players coming back from injury
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 10, 2020, 09:53:44 PM
What injured players? Harrison
Cork were 9 points up with 4 minutes to go and playing with 13 men.
Some people here need to cut this crap about playing to the final whistle.
What do you expect players to do?
Down have not progressed under PT that's the bottom line here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 10, 2020, 10:10:45 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 10, 2020, 09:53:44 PM
What injured players? Harrison
Cork were 9 points up with 4 minutes to go and playing with 13 men.
Some people here need to cut this crap about playing to the final whistle.
What do you expect players to do?
Down have not progressed under PT that's the bottom line here
Wee birdie tells me your weren't even in Cork yesterday. >:( ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CornUladh on February 11, 2020, 10:39:24 AM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on February 10, 2020, 08:52:28 PM
We got beaten by a team who took the dubs to the last 10 mins in Croke Park last year by 5 points and but for poor composure and what must've been 10 wides in the last 20 mins could've been right in with a shout. The second half was played man to man no sweepers so a lot of the tripe on here is really hard to read. We have our destiny in our own hands and have our 3 toughest games out of the way. We have more players coming back in now from injury and two weeks to prepare for Longford.
Yes, Down probably better when playing a less restrictive gameplan like in 2nd half v mayo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 12, 2020, 10:20:02 AM
Are all the managers in div 1 -4 in place?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on February 12, 2020, 08:03:17 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 10, 2020, 11:57:06 AM
We missed plenty of chances yesterday but w really could do with harrison as a pivotal playing in attack, would like to see a forward line of O'Hagan, Quinn, McCabe, Jerome, Harrison and Donal

Have to agree there , we are creating chances but our forward line has no cutting edge bar Donal O'Hare ,Liam Kerr (he deserves full games) and O'Hagan ,I'd keep McCabe in about there also but reality is the rest (robots) are not up to inter-county standard.

A few of them just run the ball like headless chickens and can't make a telling pass in,some very very limited players getting game time this last while.But it still is only February but the sooner we start giving Liam Kerr full games the better.

Liam has that class we associate with Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 12, 2020, 10:21:48 PM
Can't agree yewtree. Donal is a great club player and a good county player but doesn't score enough from open play and has been average in the 3 games. He spent most of the Derry match in our half back line. Donal o Hare needs to be close to goal as that's what his game is about. Kerr a great player and would like to see him start against Longford.
Team
O Hare
Fegan
McArdle
Collins
James Guinness
O Hagen
Annett
Poland
Flynn
Kerr
Maginn
Havern
Johnstone
O hare
McCabe

Quinn Harrison O Hagen Devlin to come in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on February 12, 2020, 11:18:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 12, 2020, 10:21:48 PM
Can't agree yewtree. Donal is a great club player and a good county player but doesn't score enough from open play and has been average in the 3 games. He spent most of the Derry match in our half back line. Donal o Hare needs to be close to goal as that's what his game is about. Kerr a great player and would like to see him start against Longford.
Team
O Hare
Fegan
McArdle
Collins
James Guinness
O Hagen
Annett
Poland
Flynn
Kerr
Maginn
Havern
Johnstone
O hare
McCabe

Quinn Harrison O Hagen Devlin to come in
No CPN players good enough to start Smurfy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 12, 2020, 11:43:06 PM
Well when Ross can't even make the 24 there is something wrong
I am being a realist here
Paddy a great player but coming back from 2 serious shoulder operations and pulled his hamstring and I think Ryan has been used enough so would stick Fegan in
No point putting Ross in and him can't make the panel
The best club player in Down football this 3/4 years Ross Mc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: A man from Down on February 13, 2020, 01:51:43 PM
Lots of ifs and buts and possibilities fellas but the simple reality is that Down are as good as the league position of the division they are in.
Sure theres probably very little between the teams of both divison 2 and 3 but that does'nt matter a dam if you are stuck in either division. Only the teams in divison one are really good enough these days to win an Ulster title let alone anything else.

Our biggest issue seems to be the inability to produce midfielders. Since the days of Ambrose, Dan, Callum King (almost 10years ago!) only Peter Turley was a consistant proper midfielder. Why is this?

Nearly every county seem to have the standard 6ft 2 plus midfielders that can field a ball and use their physicality around the middle. We simply will not race up through the divisions or win anything continuing to bypass midfield.

And btw I'm not having a go at those who have played there in recent years. Donnelly is a decent midfielder but has had his injury problems and similarly Flynn has'nt played enough. The likes of McKernan, Mooney and Poland are all very good footballers but not tall enough and would probably be the first to say themeselves that they aren't midfielders.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CornUladh on February 14, 2020, 11:39:06 PM
Quote from: yewtree on February 14, 2020, 07:45:03 PM
Quote from: A man from Down on February 13, 2020, 01:51:43 PM
Lots of ifs and buts and possibilities fellas but the simple reality is that Down are as good as the league position of the division they are in.
Sure theres probably very little between the teams of both divison 2 and 3 but that does'nt matter a dam if you are stuck in either division. Only the teams in divison one are really good enough these days to win an Ulster title let alone anything else.

Our biggest issue seems to be the inability to produce midfielders. Since the days of Ambrose, Dan, Callum King (almost 10years ago!) only Peter Turley was a consistant proper midfielder. Why is this?

Nearly every county seem to have the standard 6ft 2 plus midfielders that can field a ball and use their physicality around the middle. We simply will not race up through the divisions or win anything continuing to bypass midfield.

And btw I'm not having a go at those who have played there in recent years. Donnelly is a decent midfielder but has had his injury problems and similarly Flynn has'nt played enough. The likes of McKernan, Mooney and Poland are all very good footballers but not tall enough and would probably be the first to say themeselves that they aren't midfielders.


Very valid points regarding midfield ,our current midfield isn't up to it.Big McKay from Burren could be an option if he was back.

Mooney best spot is wing half back ,Kevin McK as sweeper.

Poland has missed too much football over the years.He was a good talent as a minor but hasn't came through.I feel he is at best a squad player and I have been told by guys who know him that his fitness isn't there as an inter-county midfielder - he has missed the boat .He has close to 30 now I'd say 28 / 29.Why Paddy is persisting with him is strange to say the least.He seems like a guy that spends too much time in the gym and has missed out on the vital years as a developing footballer.Football has no place for sediment.

Time Paddy looked out for bigger younger men as midfielders. McCabe possibly.

Still early days but the hardest 3 games over and promotion is within our grasp and Paddy taking us in the right direction overall.
Do you contradict yourself often? You mention Mark McKay who last played for Down in 2016 being an option for midfield. Maybe or maybe not. Im unsure if he has played mich for his club lately.  Then you go onto to say time Paddy looked for younger men as midfielders. Go figure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 16, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
Mark McKay for the Down squad? Maybe 6 years ago no longer an option and would be surprised if he starts for Burren next year.
Very tight at the top of division 3 now 4 teams now on 3 points after Offaly defeated Louth today.
The Longford game looks like a winner takes all. It is a game that we can win with confidence. Any word on Harrison and Haveron?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ulsterman09 on February 16, 2020, 10:21:14 PM
Loughinisland beat the county today ? Albeit a B side but fair play. Shows maybe club players prefer to play where they are...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 17, 2020, 09:12:23 AM
Quote from: Ulsterman09 on February 16, 2020, 10:21:14 PM
Loughinisland beat the county today ? Albeit a B side but fair play. Shows maybe club players prefer to play where they are...

Any idea of the Down line up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on February 18, 2020, 11:09:14 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 17, 2020, 09:12:23 AM
Quote from: Ulsterman09 on February 16, 2020, 10:21:14 PM
Loughinisland beat the county today ? Albeit a B side but fair play. Shows maybe club players prefer to play where they are...

Any idea of the Down line up?

O'Hare from Glenn in nets, Collins, McArdle, McAleenan full back line, Daniel Guinness & Aaron Morgan in midfield, Corey Quinn & Harrison in full forward line. Apart from that not many of the other lads who will see time come championship. The rest of the team were either not getting game time or coming back from injury - Ceilum Doherty, Ciaran Harney, Conor Cox, Peter Fegan, Benny Gallen a few of the others playing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 19, 2020, 10:45:24 PM
Some rain will the match go ahead on Saturday?
Big game could go either way
Not as easy as many think
Down by 2/3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 20, 2020, 11:35:54 AM
I see St Colmans are into semi final and have a great chance in getting to a final. A question for the south Down members. Is the abbey a smaller school and do the college get the first pick in players. It seems as if the college always get better teams, why is this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on February 20, 2020, 06:05:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 20, 2020, 11:35:54 AM
I see St Colmans are into semi final and have a great chance in getting to a final. A question for the south Down members. Is the abbey a smaller school and do the college get the first pick in players. It seems as if the college always get better teams, why is this?

Numbers wise they're roughly the same.

Reasons why St Colmans do better - probably a few.

St Colmans have a larger and more rural catchment (this probably comes from the fact it was a boarding school in the past) - the decline of football in Newry can't help Abbey.

St Colmans have the tradition - even when Newry football was strong St Colmans did better than Abbey.

With that St Colmans have the coaches who have been there and have the know how to win McRory.

St Colmans will keep good footballers even if they academically under achieve @ GCSE whereas Abbey would not - although I'm not sure if this is still the case - definitely was throughout 80s 90s and 2000s.

This year has definitely opened up with Omagh getting knocked out - Omagh thrashed St Colmans in the McCormack they'll be glad to see them out. Very open McRory now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 20, 2020, 06:24:00 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on February 20, 2020, 06:05:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 20, 2020, 11:35:54 AM
I see St Colmans are into semi final and have a great chance in getting to a final. A question for the south Down members. Is the abbey a smaller school and do the college get the first pick in players. It seems as if the college always get better teams, why is this?

Numbers wise they're roughly the same.

Reasons why St Colmans do better - probably a few.

St Colmans have a larger and more rural catchment (this probably comes from the fact it was a boarding school in the past) - the decline of football in Newry can't help Abbey.

St Colmans have the tradition - even when Newry football was strong St Colmans did better than Abbey.

With that St Colmans have the coaches who have been there and have the know how to win McRory.

St Colmans will keep good footballers even if they academically under achieve @ GCSE whereas Abbey would not - although I'm not sure if this is still the case - definitely was throughout 80s 90s and 2000s.

This year has definitely opened up with Omagh getting knocked out - Omagh thrashed St Colmans in the McCormack they'll be glad to see them out. Very open McRory now.


The only comment I'll make here is that the bit on bold couldn't be any further off the mark if an Abbey forward needed to kick it to win a MacRory knockout match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on February 20, 2020, 09:35:05 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 20, 2020, 06:24:00 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on February 20, 2020, 06:05:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 20, 2020, 11:35:54 AM
I see St Colmans are into semi final and have a great chance in getting to a final. A question for the south Down members. Is the abbey a smaller school and do the college get the first pick in players. It seems as if the college always get better teams, why is this?

Numbers wise they're roughly the same.

Reasons why St Colmans do better - probably a few.

St Colmans have a larger and more rural catchment (this probably comes from the fact it was a boarding school in the past) - the decline of football in Newry can't help Abbey.

St Colmans have the tradition - even when Newry football was strong St Colmans did better than Abbey.

With that St Colmans have the coaches who have been there and have the know how to win McRory.

St Colmans will keep good footballers even if they academically under achieve @ GCSE whereas Abbey would not - although I'm not sure if this is still the case - definitely was throughout 80s 90s and 2000s.

This year has definitely opened up with Omagh getting knocked out - Omagh thrashed St Colmans in the McCormack they'll be glad to see them out. Very open McRory now.


The only comment I'll make here is that the bit on bold couldn't be any further off the mark if an Abbey forward needed to kick it to win a MacRory knockout match.

Nice retort had a chuckle at Abbey forward line.

But have to say I went to Abbey. My brothers went to college. So think  I have a good insight to what was going on in both establishments around that time.

Everyone knew round Newry that the college would try their best to keep footballers. And the abbey let a lot of good footballers go.

I'm not saying the college never got rid of a good footballer but they would try their best to keep them.

As I said I don't believe that is the case more recently.

The coaching was a bigger factor I think though. A lot of potentially good Abbey teams were managed very poorly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 20, 2020, 09:51:25 PM
Colman's managed better Abbey very poorly managed
The teams the abbey had and won nothing is mind boggling
McEntee
McConville
O Rourkes
Walsh
Sexton
McGeeney
Kearney
McNultys
Mulholland

And many many more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leonardo on February 20, 2020, 10:28:47 PM
Was at St Colman in 80s - you didn't get to do A levels if grades were low. Probably cost us 1 MacRory at least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 21, 2020, 02:09:06 PM
Any word how Pairc Esler is? There has been some amount of rain. Is there any alternative to host the game in a different venue?

In all honestly the whole post primary set up in Down needs improved, that is where i would be pushing coaches. Look at St Pats Downpatrick, a massive school with over 800 boys, surely it should be McRory cup team . St Marks Warrenpoint used to be a powerhouse in the county and I never hear of them playing at top level anymore.
Its great to see the College and Abbey competing but half their footballers are Armagh so it would be better if all Down schools were improving. Maybe teachers don't have the time anymore but kids are being sent to these schools  from excellent clubs from county Down who provide excellent coaching.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on February 21, 2020, 02:56:35 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 21, 2020, 02:09:06 PM
Any word how Pairc Esler is? There has been some amount of rain. Is there any alternative to host the game in a different venue?

In all honestly the whole post primary set up in Down needs improved, that is where i would be pushing coaches. Look at St Pats Downpatrick, a massive school with over 800 boys, surely it should be McRory cup team . St Marks Warrenpoint used to be a powerhouse in the county and I never hear of them playing at top level anymore.
Its great to see the College and Abbey competing but half their footballers are Armagh so it would be better if all Down schools were improving. Maybe teachers don't have the time anymore but kids are being sent to these schools  from excellent clubs from county Down who provide excellent coaching.
When did St Marks play at the top level?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: naka on February 21, 2020, 03:05:04 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 20, 2020, 11:35:54 AM
I see St Colmans are into semi final and have a great chance in getting to a final. A question for the south Down members. Is the abbey a smaller school and do the college get the first pick in players. It seems as if the college always get better teams, why is this?
putting it simply, same catchment, probably a similar split in potential but st colman`s have a tradition with teachers who have bought into the  gaa ethos
abbey poorly coached , there have been some seriously good teams through the school which have been let down on the side lines.
next year is massive because probably the best mc rory team they have had in 15 years but reality is yet again it will be let down by the coaching staff and fail at last 16 or quarters yet again.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 21, 2020, 04:13:03 PM
See you all Saturday evening in Newry be you from St Colman's or the Abbey, have GSCE's or A-Levels or neither!

An Dun Abu

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 21, 2020, 04:23:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 20, 2020, 06:24:00 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on February 20, 2020, 06:05:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 20, 2020, 11:35:54 AM
I see St Colmans are into semi final and have a great chance in getting to a final. A question for the south Down members. Is the abbey a smaller school and do the college get the first pick in players. It seems as if the college always get better teams, why is this?

Numbers wise they're roughly the same.

Reasons why St Colmans do better - probably a few.

St Colmans have a larger and more rural catchment (this probably comes from the fact it was a boarding school in the past) - the decline of football in Newry can't help Abbey.

St Colmans have the tradition - even when Newry football was strong St Colmans did better than Abbey.

With that St Colmans have the coaches who have been there and have the know how to win McRory.

St Colmans will keep good footballers even if they academically under achieve @ GCSE whereas Abbey would not - although I'm not sure if this is still the case - definitely was throughout 80s 90s and 2000s.

This year has definitely opened up with Omagh getting knocked out - Omagh thrashed St Colmans in the McCormack they'll be glad to see them out. Very open McRory now.


The only comment I'll make here is that the bit on bold couldn't be any further off the mark if an Abbey forward needed to kick it to win a MacRory knockout match.

I agree. That comment is incorrect. I went to the college in 80s and 90s. . If you weren't up to it in exams you were gone after GCSE.  As for Omagh hammering College in MaCormick , poison chalice I dont think Anyone who has won that cup have ever won Macrory. Violet Hill wouldn't be too worried about that tin pot. Cathal Murray  knows what it takes. Best of Luck against pats Armagh in athletic grounds next friday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 21, 2020, 06:38:30 PM
Down team to play longford;

Burns, Fegan, Murdock, McAleenan, Collins, O Hagan, Mc Ardle, Flynn, Poland, O Hagan, Doherty, Kerr, O Hare, McCabe,   Quinn.

Few changes,  very surprised to see Doherty at chf tho, bit out of the blue. 4 ouf 6 forwards are very small, very lightweight. MF is a massive concern, neither player looks very comfortable there. I thought thats where Tally would make a change or even 2. Massive game, must win really.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 21, 2020, 06:47:48 PM
If this team starts, McKernan, Johnston and Devlin are among those dropped after the Cork game. Doherty looked a decent prospect at this stage last year but missed Kilcoo's entire championship run with a long term injury. While it is certainly one of the lightest forward lines we have named for a long time, Tally will probably be watching the weather before making final decisions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 22, 2020, 09:58:46 PM
Massive 2 points for Down and still all to play for
But by god it is a boring boring brand of football we play.
I am struggling to watch that crap
The first half especially was a borefest
Darren O Hagen is a great played
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 22, 2020, 10:12:40 PM
Credit to the players for battling away to the end but thats awful to watch 2nite, made ridiculous hard work of that, should have been out of sight by 45mins, instead they persisted in playing the ball back and forth and ended up being 1pt behind with 15mins left. Showed great character to go on and win it from there, but some of decisions were strange. Felt sorry for Annett being subbed off, didnt really understand that call. Tally definitely not sure of his strongest 15.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 23, 2020, 12:19:46 AM
Down made very hard work of what should have been a straighforward win but we should still give our players and management full credit for turning round a crucial game in hugely pressurised circumstances. We are in D3 because our results in recent seasons have not been good enough, so we need to rebuild, get promoted and play in the first tier championship. We don't have a squad which is capable of producing sparkling football at this stage but it is pretty clear that we are improving and are just about where we need to be with three league games left.

It was an unusual match against Longford in that we seemed to be steadily pulling clear in the final quarter only to concede a comic book goal and allow our kick out strategy to suddenly collapse in the space of a couple of minutes. Finding ourselves two behind with just over ten minutes left and facing a gale force wind was a huge test of character which we were able to come through.

Darren O'Hagan is a true leader and the goals from Quinn and James Guinness showed a touch of class when we really needed it. Kerr is also emerging as the kind of forward who can bring us to a different level.

There were plenty of negative aspects to our display as well but we are starting to make a habit of edging tight contests and the changes Tally made were effective throughout. While we are dealing with narrow margins, two points in Tullamore next week will have us on the brink of a considerable achievement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 23, 2020, 11:02:48 AM
Good win for the U20's yesterday also, just seen the line up on Twitter,  John McGovern and Justin Clarke not on panel? I thought those 2 boys would have been good enough for that team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 23, 2020, 11:03:35 AM
Scrappy enough game last night. Down seem to play there best football when they are coming from behind. They opened up Longford with ease for the 2 goals. Liam Kerr really looks like a generational talent. Definatley our most talented forward since Marty Clarke (although we never got to see the best of him)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 24, 2020, 08:53:05 AM
It was a hard fought win on Saturday night and fair play to the lads who are still in with a good shout at promotion.
But......the product is extremely hard to watch, the first half was really boring and the crowd were not engaged at all, there seems to be a disconnect or something.
I love my football but I am really considering whether i will go to any more games. Liam Kerr was very good and i still do not know why young Annett was called ashore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 24, 2020, 10:27:35 AM
Suppose PT job is to get results regardless of how they get it so he has to get credit for the win against Longford on Saturday night
Guinness Quinn Kerr and as always Darren O were very good
Think Donal O has been pretty average this league but certainly can't fault his effort and workrate as he seems to be playing further out the field this year.
In reality Down Cork and Derry would not look out of place in division 2 but after that the step up is huge.
The thing about the way Down set themselves up they are never going to get a hammering and they will never blow teams away. They just grind teams down and normally have that touch of ckass to come out on top in this division
I just can stand the ultra defensive game and that first half was as boring a half of football I have watch in years. That's just my opinion I don't like defensive football as it is but 15 men behind the ball I just can't take.
But the results have left us in a good position within 3 matches to go
Look at Galway yesterday when they play football. What a waste of 3 years for some of them Galway players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 25, 2020, 10:03:16 AM
I was at the East Down Scor final at the weekend and I was shocked to see that 8 clubs never got involved in Scor this year, 6 of which are big div 1 and 2 clubs in East Down.

I would like to remind clubs that the Rule 4 of the GAA's official guide states:

The Association shall actively support the Irish language, traditional Irish dancing, music, song, and other aspects of Irish culture. It shall foster an awareness and love of the national ideals in the people of Ireland, and assist in promoting a community spirit through its clubs.

Scor gets people involved in the GAA who may not be from a sporting background, any club not promoting our  culture are leaving out a lot of people in your communities. Clubs should be proactive in having a cultural/Scor officer to increase participation.

Carryduff and Bredagh have the biggest memberships in the county, come on folks you can do better.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 25, 2020, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 25, 2020, 10:03:16 AM
I was at the East Down Scor final at the weekend and I was shocked to see that 8 clubs never got involved in Scor this year, 6 of which are big div 1 and 2 clubs in East Down.

I would like to remind clubs that the Rule 4 of the GAA's official guide states:

The Association shall actively support the Irish language, traditional Irish dancing, music, song, and other aspects of Irish culture. It shall foster an awareness and love of the national ideals in the people of Ireland, and assist in promoting a community spirit through its clubs.

Scor gets people involved in the GAA who may not be from a sporting background, any club not promoting our  culture are leaving out a lot of people in your communities. Clubs should be proactive in having a cultural/Scor officer to increase participation.

Carryduff and Bredagh have the biggest memberships in the county, come on folks you can do better.

At least they play hurling and also camogie in Bredagh's part, so swings and roundabouts!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on February 25, 2020, 04:33:55 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 25, 2020, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 25, 2020, 10:03:16 AM
I was at the East Down Scor final at the weekend and I was shocked to see that 8 clubs never got involved in Scor this year, 6 of which are big div 1 and 2 clubs in East Down.

I would like to remind clubs that the Rule 4 of the GAA's official guide states:

The Association shall actively support the Irish language, traditional Irish dancing, music, song, and other aspects of Irish culture. It shall foster an awareness and love of the national ideals in the people of Ireland, and assist in promoting a community spirit through its clubs.

Scor gets people involved in the GAA who may not be from a sporting background, any club not promoting our  culture are leaving out a lot of people in your communities. Clubs should be proactive in having a cultural/Scor officer to increase participation.

Carryduff and Bredagh have the biggest memberships in the county, come on folks you can do better.

At least they play hurling and also camogie in Bredagh's part, so swings and roundabouts!

JC , share your sentiments re spreading the hurling/camogie gospel but Tbf it is very very hard to start up hurling/camogie from scratch . Providing cultúr/singing/dance/music/drama is relatively easy. I think every club has a responsibility to provide male/female sport and culture if they are to meet the ideals of the association. Scór isn't for everyone however and the GAA needs to be imaginative regarding promoting culture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 25, 2020, 04:53:01 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on February 25, 2020, 04:33:55 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 25, 2020, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 25, 2020, 10:03:16 AM
I was at the East Down Scor final at the weekend and I was shocked to see that 8 clubs never got involved in Scor this year, 6 of which are big div 1 and 2 clubs in East Down.

I would like to remind clubs that the Rule 4 of the GAA's official guide states:

The Association shall actively support the Irish language, traditional Irish dancing, music, song, and other aspects of Irish culture. It shall foster an awareness and love of the national ideals in the people of Ireland, and assist in promoting a community spirit through its clubs.

Scor gets people involved in the GAA who may not be from a sporting background, any club not promoting our  culture are leaving out a lot of people in your communities. Clubs should be proactive in having a cultural/Scor officer to increase participation.

Carryduff and Bredagh have the biggest memberships in the county, come on folks you can do better.

At least they play hurling and also camogie in Bredagh's part, so swings and roundabouts!

JC , share your sentiments re spreading the hurling/camogie gospel but Tbf it is very very hard to start up hurling/camogie from scratch . Providing cultúr/singing/dance/music/drama is relatively easy. I think every club has a responsibility to provide male/female sport and culture if they are to meet the ideals of the association. Scór isn't for everyone however and the GAA needs to be imaginative regarding promoting culture.

When James Guinness danced through the Longford defence on Saturday night it was like music to my ears. Poetry in motion. How is that for culture>? #Scor(e)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 25, 2020, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 25, 2020, 04:53:01 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on February 25, 2020, 04:33:55 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 25, 2020, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 25, 2020, 10:03:16 AM
I was at the East Down Scor final at the weekend and I was shocked to see that 8 clubs never got involved in Scor this year, 6 of which are big div 1 and 2 clubs in East Down.

I would like to remind clubs that the Rule 4 of the GAA's official guide states:

The Association shall actively support the Irish language, traditional Irish dancing, music, song, and other aspects of Irish culture. It shall foster an awareness and love of the national ideals in the people of Ireland, and assist in promoting a community spirit through its clubs.

Scor gets people involved in the GAA who may not be from a sporting background, any club not promoting our  culture are leaving out a lot of people in your communities. Clubs should be proactive in having a cultural/Scor officer to increase participation.

Carryduff and Bredagh have the biggest memberships in the county, come on folks you can do better.

At least they play hurling and also camogie in Bredagh's part, so swings and roundabouts!

JC , share your sentiments re spreading the hurling/camogie gospel but Tbf it is very very hard to start up hurling/camogie from scratch . Providing cultúr/singing/dance/music/drama is relatively easy. I think every club has a responsibility to provide male/female sport and culture if they are to meet the ideals of the association. Scór isn't for everyone however and the GAA needs to be imaginative regarding promoting culture.

When James Guinness danced through the Longford defence on Saturday night it was like music to my ears. Poetry in motion. How is that for culture>? #Scor(e)
Very good A 60.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 26, 2020, 09:08:20 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on February 25, 2020, 04:33:55 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 25, 2020, 03:50:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 25, 2020, 10:03:16 AM
I was at the East Down Scor final at the weekend and I was shocked to see that 8 clubs never got involved in Scor this year, 6 of which are big div 1 and 2 clubs in East Down.

I would like to remind clubs that the Rule 4 of the GAA's official guide states:

The Association shall actively support the Irish language, traditional Irish dancing, music, song, and other aspects of Irish culture. It shall foster an awareness and love of the national ideals in the people of Ireland, and assist in promoting a community spirit through its clubs.

Scor gets people involved in the GAA who may not be from a sporting background, any club not promoting our  culture are leaving out a lot of people in your communities. Clubs should be proactive in having a cultural/Scor officer to increase participation.

Carryduff and Bredagh have the biggest memberships in the county, come on folks you can do better.

At least they play hurling and also camogie in Bredagh's part, so swings and roundabouts!

JC , share your sentiments re spreading the hurling/camogie gospel but Tbf it is very very hard to start up hurling/camogie from scratch . Providing cultúr/singing/dance/music/drama is relatively easy. I think every club has a responsibility to provide male/female sport and culture if they are to meet the ideals of the association. Scór isn't for everyone however and the GAA needs to be imaginative regarding promoting culture.

I didn't say it was easy, but when you see the likes of Kilcoo making inroads at the camogie when there was little history of it then it is possible if there is a will.

There's far bigger clubs in Down who don't even do that but as long as they put out a ballad group then that's great!

I wouldn't be castigating Bredagh and Carryduff for not providing that aspect of our culture when they're working away elsewhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 26, 2020, 10:49:54 AM
JC the two biggest clubs in Down in terms of numbers are Bredagh and Carryduff and by a mile.

What i was tying to get at was that there are clubs in the county not even playing lip service to Scor.

When i look at GAA clubs in the county, the likes of Clonduff and Mayobridge would be strong in providing most aspects of the gaa, Warrenpoint, Kilcoo , Ford, Castlwellan as well, Burren would be a strong football clubs for boys and girls but Scor could improve.

I know Scor could improve but music, dance and song is as much as our heritage as our games and we as the gaa community need to protect and pass on to future generations.

I would also like to see a resurgence of hurling in clubs in the county but numbers might be a problem but clubs should amalgamate so give children the opportunity to play ,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on February 26, 2020, 12:21:41 PM
Bredagh run cultural events all the time, Irish language, music events, community events, quiz, etc, etc. There's a night coming up with a talk from Linda Ervine for example.
Fairly sure our neighbours are the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 26, 2020, 04:43:54 PM
Quote from: outinfront on February 26, 2020, 12:21:41 PM
Bredagh run cultural events all the time, Irish language, music events, community events, quiz, etc, etc. There's a night coming up with a talk from Linda Ervine for example.
Fairly sure our neighbours are the same.
Linda Irvine-my God >:( >:(. Who next? Winnie Mandela?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 27, 2020, 08:56:00 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 26, 2020, 04:43:54 PM
Quote from: outinfront on February 26, 2020, 12:21:41 PM
Bredagh run cultural events all the time, Irish language, music events, community events, quiz, etc, etc. There's a night coming up with a talk from Linda Ervine for example.
Fairly sure our neighbours are the same.
Linda Irvine-my God >:( >:(. Who next? Winnie Mandela?  ;D ;D

ELP is giving a talk in Bredaghs club house about inclusiveness and shared spaces in South Belfast
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 27, 2020, 02:55:38 PM
Anyone hear Castlewellan beat Clonduff 10-10 to 0.04 in a challenge match last night. Money well spent  in Clonduff. That's some hammering regardless of what team they had out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 27, 2020, 03:41:18 PM
I expect a big response from the Town this season, division 2 will be a dogfight but I reckon the experience of Frank Dawson will take Castlewellan back to the top tier of Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on February 27, 2020, 07:54:47 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 27, 2020, 02:55:38 PM
Anyone hear Castlewellan beat Clonduff 10-10 to 0.04 in a challenge match last night. Money well spent  in Clonduff. That's some hammering regardless of what team they had out.
Yeah this was in Malachy Murdock tournament. Clonduff had a challenge game on Sunday and put out a 3rds team. So I'm hearing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 27, 2020, 10:02:26 PM
A match Sunday so they put out a thirds team on Wednesday?
Surely that's not right?
10-10 holy god
Send them back to Tyrone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on February 27, 2020, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 26, 2020, 10:49:54 AM
JC the two biggest clubs in Down in terms of numbers are Bredagh and Carryduff and by a mile.

What i was tying to get at was that there are clubs in the county not even playing lip service to Scor.

When i look at GAA clubs in the county, the likes of Clonduff and Mayobridge would be strong in providing most aspects of the gaa, Warrenpoint, Kilcoo , Ford, Castlwellan as well, Burren would be a strong football clubs for boys and girls but Scor could improve.

I know Scor could improve but music, dance and song is as much as our heritage as our games and we as the gaa community need to protect and pass on to future generations.

I would also like to see a resurgence of hurling in clubs in the county but numbers might be a problem but clubs should amalgamate so give children the opportunity to play ,


Truth hurts you belong in 1900s , the GAA has moved on from this bullshit.No one cares about those things only a handful of backward folk.The GAA is a modern sports association and is moving on to a tolerant modern era.
No longer being manipulated by extremists .It is a sporting association not some dinosaur.
In time Score will be binned along with Rule 21 and Rule 42.
The people don't want any politics in the new GAA  , they want unionist and nationalist involved together and don't want these dinosaur activities bringing it back to its past.
It is sport and only sport.
In time with guys like Burns at the helm it can get rid of the playing of the Irish anthem and maybe adopt Ireland's Call type song.
I would say most posters on here are of the same view.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 28, 2020, 11:36:00 AM
Quote from: yewtree on February 27, 2020, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 26, 2020, 10:49:54 AM
JC the two biggest clubs in Down in terms of numbers are Bredagh and Carryduff and by a mile.

What i was tying to get at was that there are clubs in the county not even playing lip service to Scor.

When i look at GAA clubs in the county, the likes of Clonduff and Mayobridge would be strong in providing most aspects of the gaa, Warrenpoint, Kilcoo , Ford, Castlwellan as well, Burren would be a strong football clubs for boys and girls but Scor could improve.

I know Scor could improve but music, dance and song is as much as our heritage as our games and we as the gaa community need to protect and pass on to future generations.

I would also like to see a resurgence of hurling in clubs in the county but numbers might be a problem but clubs should amalgamate so give children the opportunity to play ,


Truth hurts you belong in 1900s , the GAA has moved on from this bullshit.No one cares about those things only a handful of backward folk.The GAA is a modern sports association and is moving on to a tolerant modern era.
No longer being manipulated by extremists .It is a sporting association not some dinosaur.
In time Score will be binned along with Rule 21 and Rule 42.
The people don't want any politics in the new GAA  , they want unionist and nationalist involved together and don't want these dinosaur activities bringing it back to its past.
It is sport and only sport.
In time with guys like Burns at the helm it can get rid of the playing of the Irish anthem and maybe adopt Ireland's Call type song.
I would say most posters on here are of the same view.
Spewtree,head on back to the soccer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 28, 2020, 01:42:42 PM
Irish news has Offaly v Down at 12pm? Hoganstand has a 2.30pm throw in. Think it's a doubleheader with the Offaly hurlers. Anyone know start time for sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on February 28, 2020, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 28, 2020, 01:42:42 PM
Irish news has Offaly v Down at 12pm? Hoganstand has a 2.30pm throw in. Think it's a doubleheader with the Offaly hurlers. Anyone know start time for sure.

Offaly v Wickow 12:30 Hurling
Offaly v Down  14:30 Football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 28, 2020, 03:31:01 PM
The founding fathers of the GAA set up the association to promote Irish culture and pastimes . We have clubs in our county who forget about the true ethos of the GAA and we need to get back to our roots, if you think i am backward Yewtree then one of us is a member of the wrong association. BTW I do not even think you are a member of a club, you are one of these yaps who begrudge everything and give out, while looking in instead of looking out. #Tool
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 28, 2020, 06:52:15 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on February 28, 2020, 02:00:38 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 28, 2020, 01:42:42 PM
Irish news has Offaly v Down at 12pm? Hoganstand has a 2.30pm throw in. Think it's a doubleheader with the Offaly hurlers. Anyone know start time for sure.

Offaly v Wickow 12:30 Hurling
Offaly v Down  14:30 Football.
Cheers Ambrose
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 28, 2020, 09:10:00 PM
St Colman s 0.16 pats Armagh 0.12 FT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 29, 2020, 05:30:56 PM
U20's beat by Donegal this afternoon. Missed 3/4 really good goal chances and lost player due to black card with about 10 to go, Donegal went up the pitch and got a goal straight away. Very winnable game, management and players will feel they let it slip away as.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 29, 2020, 06:33:28 PM
Our lead manager of the under 20s must be the worst appointment of all time.  Look at his record,  with talented squads. Great players rarely make great managers. Another Ulster title gone missing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 29, 2020, 07:58:43 PM
Poor appointment and i would say that ends his reign.
Underage in this County has been a disaster this years
So many poor results
Has anyone a team for the under 20s
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 29, 2020, 08:03:06 PM
Hazard, fitzsimons, toal, o hagan, brooks, campbell, fettes, o rawe, mc evoy, mc cormack, prenter, gorman, rice,  o hare, johnson.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on February 29, 2020, 08:10:10 PM
Your manager missed three or four golden goal chances and got a black card??? He must have had a busy afternoon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 29, 2020, 09:13:46 PM
Quote from: bannside on February 29, 2020, 08:10:10 PM
Your manager missed three or four golden goal chances and got a black card??? He must have had a busy afternoon.

I said management and players will feel they let it slip away.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on February 29, 2020, 10:31:11 PM
Good to see that ground ball loving idiot from Warrenpoint has took time to post some absolute crap on here, and as always attracts some stinging rebuke.
U20 s y all accounts could have won , should have won etc, but stark reality is they didn't , so do we look for change , I think so , are there suitable candidates, yes there are, Carryduff management team for a start , they have experience coaching in development squads and brought success to current club,similarly Mason the Bredagh manager has the right credentials.
It's time to look at guys who have put the work into under age squads and ultimately we are looking for a flow of talented footballers to progress into the senior ranks.
So spewtree you stick to fighting with visiting supporters and  goal keepers, that's of course you can drag yourself away from the Jarlath Burns victory celebrations, sorry I forgot he got beat , so we will be able to play our national anthem at our national games.
What's the chances Warrenpoint get relegated?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 01, 2020, 09:36:32 AM
I know he has a lot of commitments at present, but surely Conor Laverty would be an ideal candidate to be part of the county underage structures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 01, 2020, 04:19:53 PM
Credit where credit is due big win for Down and a good score put up
Well done management and players
Seemed to be a comfortable win
Promotion in touching distance
I'll say it again well done to the management
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 01, 2020, 04:44:35 PM
Good win alright, and without Darren O'Hagan and Donal O'Hare.  Barry O'Hagan seems to have stepped up to the mark along with the Guinness bros, Kerr and Quinn. Good to see Harrison rattled the crossbar and Burns kept a clean sheet.  Two wins in last two games guarantees us promotion and first tier championship football so Tally to keep the focus.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 01, 2020, 05:35:22 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on March 01, 2020, 04:44:35 PM
Good win alright, and without Darren O'Hagan and Donal O'Hare.  Barry O'Hagan seems to have stepped up to the mark along with the Guinness bros, Kerr and Quinn. Good to see Harrison rattled the crossbar and Burns kept a clean sheet.  Two wins in last two games guarantees us promotion and first tier championship football so Tally to keep the focus.
if 2 teams are level on points, does head to head or scoring difference determine who finishes above who?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 01, 2020, 05:53:01 PM
First consideration is the result between them. So if we win both our games only Longford could be level with us and as we beat them, we go up. Only if results lead to us and Tipperary level will scoring difference kick in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on March 01, 2020, 08:03:49 PM
(https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.4189662.1583089661!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_685/image.jpg)

Any idea of the conditions for yesterdays U20 game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 02, 2020, 06:12:05 PM
I see Down's motion to congress to have club games 70 minutes in duration was overwhelmingly defeated, value for money for the punters was their reason, more punishment more like!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 02, 2020, 08:13:58 PM
Think it was Castlewellan's motion and I think we pushed it to Congress 3 years ago as well.

I'm not sure about it's merits tbh. It would naturally place an even greater emphasis on fitness (surely we don't want that), and would put even more pressure on throw-in times for the shorter evenings of April and September. Those are definites. In terms of potential weaknesses, it means dead rubbers and sludgings would have another 10 minutes of nonsense to play out, while I can't help thinking more muscle injuries in the closing stages, in the early years at least ie more physio bills.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 03, 2020, 09:32:36 AM
Any idea when juveniles fixtures are out? Leagues must be nearly ready to start?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 03, 2020, 09:35:52 AM
Also , did Rostrevors motion go thorough ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 04, 2020, 12:02:25 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on March 04, 2020, 09:58:58 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 03, 2020, 09:35:52 AM
Also , did Rostrevors motion go thorough ?

?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on March 04, 2020, 10:57:34 PM
The Allianz Football League Game Down v Leitrim will now take on Saturday 14th March @7.00pm in Pairc Esler as opposed to Sunday 15th March.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 06, 2020, 02:59:50 PM
 We could be promoted by next Sunday afternoon(15th) if results go our way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 06, 2020, 03:40:52 PM
I thinking about that during the week. How would that go?

Obv we need to beat Leitrim and what else needs to happen?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on March 06, 2020, 03:56:37 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on March 06, 2020, 03:40:52 PM
I thinking about that during the week. How would that go?

Obv we need to beat Leitrim and what else needs to happen?

Beat Leitrim on Saturday night and Derry beat Longford on Sunday Down are promoted with a game to spare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on March 06, 2020, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on March 06, 2020, 03:56:37 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on March 06, 2020, 03:40:52 PM
I thinking about that during the week. How would that go?

Obv we need to beat Leitrim and what else needs to happen?

Beat Leitrim on Saturday night and Derry beat Longford on Sunday Down are promoted with a game to spare.

But if Down were to lose to Louth and Derry & Longford to win their last game it would be a 3 way tie and head to head would no longer be relevant, and it would come down to score difference, is that not the case?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 06, 2020, 04:54:28 PM
that's what I thought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on March 06, 2020, 05:14:44 PM
Experience has taught me never to be over confident when it comes to Down footballers, but they will beat this Louth team with a bit to spare. They've lost a number of players since last years shock win in Newry and they're nailed on for relegation. We owe them big time for that defeat in Newry.
This Down team have proved a lot of people wrong, myself included, they have steadily improved throughout the league and although the football isn't always pretty they are able to grind out a result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 06, 2020, 05:28:40 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on March 06, 2020, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on March 06, 2020, 03:56:37 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on March 06, 2020, 03:40:52 PM
I thinking about that during the week. How would that go?

Obv we need to beat Leitrim and what else needs to happen?

Beat Leitrim on Saturday night and Derry beat Longford on Sunday Down are promoted with a game to spare.

But if Down were to lose to Louth and Derry & Longford to win their last game it would be a 3 way tie and head to head would no longer be relevant, and it would come down to score difference, is that not the case?
Derry play Longford next so a 3 way play-off is impossible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 06, 2020, 09:16:53 PM
Is it not possible for Derry, Longford and Down to all finish up with 9 points?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 06, 2020, 09:56:35 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on March 06, 2020, 09:16:53 PM
Is it not possible for Derry, Longford and Down to all finish up with 9 points?
I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 08, 2020, 09:06:14 PM
No worries we all get a little ahead of ourselves when we are showing signs of improvement!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 09, 2020, 02:36:21 PM
Would anyone have the team and scorers from Saturdays league game in Tullylish? PR for underage football in Down is brutal when you look at likes of Antrim, Tyrone etc

On another note, well done to Kilcoo on organizing East Down sevens yesterday. I thought sevens was a dying game but I really enjoyed yesterdays games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on March 09, 2020, 06:08:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2020, 02:36:21 PM
Would anyone have the team and scorers from Saturdays league game in Tullylish? PR for underage football in Down is brutal when you look at likes of Antrim, Tyrone etc

u17s starting lineup:

1. A Murdock
2. F McEvoy
3. P McCarthy
4. O McCrickard
5. C Rogers
6. R Magill
7. W Kelly
8. O Murdock
9. J Howlett
10. J Morgan
11. N Toner
12. O Cunningham
13. J Duggan
14. O Savage
15 Z Murdock

Can't recall all the scorers.

Didn't see much of the u16s so couldn't give you the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 10, 2020, 09:20:28 AM
Quote from: Too many steps on March 09, 2020, 06:08:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2020, 02:36:21 PM
Would anyone have the team and scorers from Saturdays league game in Tullylish? PR for underage football in Down is brutal when you look at likes of Antrim, Tyrone etc

u17s starting lineup:

1. A Murdock
2. F McEvoy
3. P McCarthy
4. O McCrickard
5. C Rogers
6. R Magill
7. W Kelly
8. O Murdock
9. J Howlett
10. J Morgan
11. N Toner
12. O Cunningham
13. J Duggan
14. O Savage
15 Z Murdock

Can't recall all the scorers.

Didn't see much of the u16s so couldn't give you the team.
Any idea what Clubs they are all from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 10, 2020, 03:34:31 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on March 09, 2020, 06:08:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2020, 02:36:21 PM
Would anyone have the team and scorers from Saturdays league game in Tullylish? PR for underage football in Down is brutal when you look at likes of Antrim, Tyrone etc

u17s starting lineup:

1. A Murdock
2. F McEvoy
3. P McCarthy
4. O McCrickard
5. C Rogers
6. R Magill
7. W Kelly
8. O Murdock
9. J Howlett
10. J Morgan
11. N Toner
12. O Cunningham
13. J Duggan
14. O Savage
15 Z Murdock

Can't recall all the scorers.

Didn't see much of the u16s so couldn't give you the team.

Thanks for this, a lot of them names look like from Ulster U16 champions Burren, going by last years u16 league and championship they look unbeatable.


On another note, results already from reserve leagues looks bad already with numerous DNF across two sections, there are teams in premier reserve now who could not win the East Down reserve league, surely you need to win a sectional league to go up. Loughinisland reserves not fielding at home, like WTF
If its bad now with no senior games on then wait to see what happens when they do
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on March 11, 2020, 04:22:25 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 10, 2020, 09:20:28 AM
Quote from: Too many steps on March 09, 2020, 06:08:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2020, 02:36:21 PM
Would anyone have the team and scorers from Saturdays league game in Tullylish? PR for underage football in Down is brutal when you look at likes of Antrim, Tyrone etc

u17s starting lineup:

1. A Murdock - Burren
2. F McEvoy - Saval
3. P McCarthy - Burren
4. O McCrickard - Liatroim
5. C Rogers - Kilcoo
6. R Magill- Burren
7. W Kelly - Clonduff
8. O Murdock - Burren
9. J Howlett - CPN
10. J Morgan - Kilcoo
11. N Toner - Burren
12. O Cunningham - RGU
13. J Duggan - Burren
14. O Savage - Loughinisland
15 Z Murdock - Burren

Can't recall all the scorers.

Didn't see much of the u16s so couldn't give you the team.
Any idea what Clubs they are all from?

Think that's right - apologies in advance if I've got any wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 12, 2020, 08:21:10 AM
Any confirmed instances of this virus having an impact on any club preparations? As in training or friendly matches cancellations?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 12, 2020, 04:11:51 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on March 12, 2020, 08:21:10 AM
Any confirmed instances of this virus having an impact on any club preparations? As in training or friendly matches cancellations?
Yes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 12, 2020, 04:30:00 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 12, 2020, 04:11:51 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on March 12, 2020, 08:21:10 AM
Any confirmed instances of this virus having an impact on any club preparations? As in training or friendly matches cancellations?
Yes.

Well, everyone is same boat now anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 23, 2020, 03:45:41 PM
I heard Benny the Great has suggested that once the pandemic has run its course the gaa should revert to knock out championship for this year. Winner takes all. Forget the 2 Tier nonsense

I would LOVE that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 24, 2020, 09:38:22 AM
It would be a great idea but at the minute i would be happy to see an u10 friendly before September. GAA is the last thing on peoples minds at present. If in Down we can get back to Football around August, I would forget about the leagues for the year and have 4 groups for the SFC with Round robin games. The top team into the QF and 2 and 3 are in a play off with the other groups to try and get into QF. They play a similar system in Armagh at present. I do not think we are going to be able to complete a full round of league fixtures and I cannot see clubs agreeing to one round of fixtures to determine a league title or relegation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 24, 2020, 02:48:52 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 24, 2020, 09:38:22 AM
It would be a great idea but at the minute i would be happy to see an u10 friendly before September. GAA is the last thing on peoples minds at present. If in Down we can get back to Football around August, I would forget about the leagues for the year and have 4 groups for the SFC with Round robin games. The top team into the QF and 2 and 3 are in a play off with the other groups to try and get into QF. They play a similar system in Armagh at present. I do not think we are going to be able to complete a full round of league fixtures and I cannot see clubs agreeing to one round of fixtures to determine a league title or relegation.

I know player burnout people are going to cry but maybe have games on Mondays and Fridays? if we do get back to being able to tog out and play this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on March 24, 2020, 02:55:25 PM
More games than training. I like it.

In fact don't train just play lol.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 24, 2020, 04:59:45 PM
Impossible as u17 games are scheduled for Monday nights. Stay safe everyone, thats the main thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 24, 2020, 06:29:27 PM
Pete McGrath selects best 15 from men he played with or managed - Irish News today

THE brief was to pick his best side from the men he played alongside or managed and Pete McGrath has come up with a truly formidable, star-studded line-up that spans over 60 years from the late Leo Murphy, a team-mate in his early days with St Bronagh's, Rostrevor, to Stephen Cluxton, who remains a key part of the all-conquering Dublin team of today.
In between those two, Pete had the difficult task of selecting players from the Down, Ulster, St Colman's, Fermanagh and Louth teams and the club sides he was involved with. Andy Watters spoke to the vastly-experienced All-Ireland winner as he selected his best XV.

1 Stephen Cluxton (Ireland)
I managed Stephen in the 2004 International Rules home series. At that stage he hadn't yet become the iconic figure that he now is but even then the International Rules player had to be an extension of an outfield player in how he used the ball. Cluxton played exceptionally well against the Australians and, given what he has become since, it would be impossible for anyone asked who was the greatest 'keeper they ever managed not to say 'Stephen Cluxton'.
I also had to consider Neil Collins, given all he did in the 1990s, Mickey McVeigh who was another very good goalkeeper and Niall Morgan, who did goal when I managed the Ulster team, but I have to go with Cluxton.

2 Ryan McMenamin (Ireland)
AUSTRALIA in 2005 was a very difficult tour, the matches were brutally physical but he was one of the Ireland players who certainly stood up to the Aussies. By that time he had won two All-Irelands with Tyrone and went on to win a third.
When you look at corner-backs, Ryan had everything – he had the aggression, he had physicality and he was a good footballer, he could go forward and mentally he was very, very strong.
There were good footballers in the Down full-back line like Paul Higgins and Micheal Magill but I've decided to go for Ryan.

3 Leo Murphy (Rostrevor)
I CAME into the Rostrevor senior team in 1969 and I played with the great Leo Murphy for six years. He was an iconic Down full-back from the 1960s and by that time he had retired from inter-county football but he was still a relatively young man.
Football then was a bit more physical than it is now and you had big Leo at the edge of the square and he was a very dominating, physical and controlling figure. He was a hero to me given that he was an All-Ireland winner with Down and he was a marvellous man as well as being a marvellous footballer.

4 Tom O'Hare (Down)
AS A young guy coming into the Down senior team in 1972/73 Tom (an All-Ireland winner in 1968) was still playing. Gerry O'Neill, the former Armagh manager, said Tom O'Hare was 'the Beckenbauer of Gaelic Football' and he was. He could read the game so well and he made playing left corner-back a cool position to play in because he had the attributes of a really classy footballer – the sense of anticipation, fielding ability, use of the ball... A man who was ahead of his time.

5 Tomas O Se (Ireland)
HE was in the Ireland team in 2004 and 2005. In what was a very physical tour of Australia, Tomas got stuck into it and played with his usual verve and energy. He is one of the outstanding Kerry players of all time and when you've managed a man like that, it would be very hard to keep him out of your all-time greatest team.

6 Barry Breen (Down)
AT centre-half backs it's Barry Breen. He played there in the '94 Down team, he was midfield in 1991. I managed Barry at minor level as well and he resembled Tom O'Hare in many ways in that his reading of the game and his use of the ball was superb. He was someone who always seemed to have a lot of time in possession. He wasn't fast but he was very deceptive in his movement and the ground he could cover. A very intelligent player and a natural footballer who didn't need coaching, he just seemed to fit into whatever position you played him in. In 1994 his contribution at centre half-back was very important.

7 DJ Kane (Down)
AN understated footballer in certain ways, he had drive and focus and a ruthless streak, in the good sense of the word. He was very good on the ball, you just have to watch the Ulster final of 1994 to see how often he got forward.
I couldn't go past DJ at number seven.

8 Sean Cavanagh (Ireland)
HE played for me in 2004 and 2005 and he loved the International Rules game. His contribution to the Tyrone successes was immense. He had running power, fielding ability and scoring ability and as the game evolved from the 'noughties' on it suited him even more. It became a running game where positions weren't that important and it was about covering ground, anticipating and getting forward and he had all those qualities.
In my time with Fermanagh, Eoin Donnelly was in that mould in the sense that he is a high fielder, he can cover ground and has good vision.

9 Colm McAlarney (Down)
ANOTHER player I played with. In all the midfielders I have seen down through the years to the present time, I think McAlarney would be right up there with the best of them. Jack O'Shea himself said that he modelled his game on Colm McAlarney. Colm's running ability, his athleticism, his accuracy in possession for scoring and passing... It was his sheer infectiousness, he had such great enthusiasm for the game, he just wanted to play and he played with such energy and vibrancy. A marvellous footballer.

10 Brian Dooher (Ireland)
ANOTHER International Rules man. He never let me down in the Ireland series. He was the ideal team player, the amount of work that he did, his selflessness on the ball, his scoring ability and tackling ability... For any manager Dooher would be a dream player to have in your squad because of what he did and for the example he would show.
After long deliberation I went for him but Ross Carr was a great man and a great player in the '90s. He was a similar player to Dooher and an expert free-taker as well. It was a tough call.

11 Greg Blayney (Down)
THE ultimate number 11 in how the position was played then and probably how it is still played today. A playmaker, very strong, very courageous, his ability to win breaking ball was almost uncanny and his physical strength in retaining possession, breaking tackles and then delivering the inch-perfect pass... A man who found it so hard to take defeat, he was just an absolute winner from day one.

12 Padraig Joyce (Ireland)
FROM Galway, he played for Ireland in the two years I was manager and he was the captain of the team. Led by example, a wonderful footballer. Like all the top forwards he had vision, he had scoring ability and the facility to find space and of course his performances for Galway in the two All-Ireland finals would make him stand out as a very accomplished, first rate forward.

13 Mickey Linden (Down)
WHEN I look back at all the players I managed or played with, if you're looking for a corner-forward then Mickey would be a no-brainer. The man's pace, his scoring ability, the fact that he taught himself how to kick better with his left foot than his right foot! In 1994 Mickey was 31 and his performances that year, right back to the classic against Derry at Celtic Park through to the final against Dublin on an awful day at Croke Park were superb. His scores, his strength on the ball... By that time Dublin knew that Linden was the man they had to stop but they failed, they couldn't stop him. He put in another really top-drawer performance as he had been doing all year. At top of the right, Mickey Linden is the man.

14 Sean O'Neill (Down)
ANOTHER Down player I played with. Ask anyone who played alongside him: 'Who is the greatest player you ever played with?' I would say they would go for Sean. I personally think he's the greatest forward that ever played the game. His pace, his ball-winning ability, his uncanny ability to do the unexpected – defenders never knew what he was going to do. He could go right, go left, lay it off, take them on... He could rise, flick the ball on. The sense of menace that Sean O'Neill created whenever he had the ball close to goal is second to none although Peter Canavan might come close. O'Neill would get on any team no matter what era and you had to play with him to realise his determination to win. The sense of mission that he brought to every game he played was something that I have never experienced in any other player. He was a unique player and in many ways a unique person.

15 James McCartan (St Colman's College and Down)
I MANAGED James at St Colman's College and minor, U21 and senior level with Down. You could take certain qualities that Mickey Linden and Sean O'Neill had and you would find them in James. He was totally fearless, his ball-winning capacity for a small person was exceptional. On the ball his balance was superb and he was almost impossible to dispossess and he could think his way through a game. I saw matches where James was being neutralised by an opponent but he would always find a way and it took just three or four flashes from him and he could change a game by taking a man on and laying the ball off for a critical score or finding the net himself.
The '94 performance at Celtic Park was exceptional and his scores in the All-Ireland final of 1991, when Meath physically threw everything at him, was superb. The harder they hit him the better he got and I always feel that really great players save their greatest performances for the biggest occasions and James did that. Himself, Greg and Mickey were probably the best triangle of forwards that you would ever see on any team.

Overview
I HAD three or four contenders for every position but I had to ask myself: 'Who is the guy that I really can't leave out?' So that is what swung the decision in that person's favour.
Those are the marginal calls you have to make in picking any team, I had to make them in real life when I was picking real teams for really big matches and for this team I still tried to apply the same principles.
There are so many great players who I had the privilege of playing beside and managing, and 'privilege' is the word I would use. Whenever you sit down and think about it, you begin to appreciate the whole array of great players as well as great people you had the privilege of playing with or coaching.

Just a few thoughts. I would have thought he would have show more allegiance to his own men who went to war for him in his All Ireland's. Cluxton instead of Neil Collins, Mc Menamin ahead of Paul Higgins and Dooher before Ross Carr, those decisions just don't make sense to me. Just ok views on DJ Kane, looks like he had to pick one of his captains.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 25, 2020, 03:58:41 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 24, 2020, 04:59:45 PM
Impossible as u17 games are scheduled for Monday nights. Stay safe everyone, thats the main thing.

And hurling
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on March 29, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
WATCH our latest #Flashback full-match video, the 1991 All-Ireland SFC Final between @OfficialDownGAA and @MeathGAA. Ross Carr gives a very revealing insight into that dramatic season in the accompanying written feature #LongReadSunday #GAA

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/flashback-1991-all-ireland-sfc-final-down-v-meath/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Astrail on April 08, 2020, 05:56:34 AM
Quote from: Ambrose on March 29, 2020, 03:24:13 PM
WATCH our latest #Flashback full-match video, the 1991 All-Ireland SFC Final between @OfficialDownGAA and @MeathGAA. Ross Carr gives a very revealing insight into that dramatic season in the accompanying written feature #LongReadSunday #GAA

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/flashback-1991-all-ireland-sfc-final-down-v-meath/

Analysis of the game and an interview with Wee James on Wooly Parkinson's podcast this week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 08, 2020, 08:04:23 AM
Anyone have a go at picking a Down team from 1990 until present day with only one player per club, its going around twitter atm, not as easy as you would think;

M McVeigh
Magill
B Burns
D O Hagan
McKernan
B Breen
Kane
G McCartan
Rodgers
Hughes
Blaney
Mason
Linden
Withnall
J McCartan

Mickey over Benny
Assumed J McCartan was Tullylish and Greg was Ballymartin
Lack of Full Forward alternatives, possibly Ronan Murtagh
Thought of Liam Doyle at half back but didn't do it enough at senior level imo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 08, 2020, 08:40:26 AM
1 Neil Collins Carryduff
2 Paul Higgins Ballymartin
3 Conor Deegan Rgu
4 Miceal Magill Warrenpoint
5 DJ Kane Shamrocks
6 Paddy O'Rourke Burren
7 Eamonn Burns Bryansford
8 Dan Gordon Loughinisland
9 Greg McCartan Castlewellan
10 Ross Carr Clonduff
11 Greg Blaney Ballycran
12 Ambrose Rodgers jr Longstone
13 Mickey Linden Mayobridge
14 Aidan Farell Rostrevor
15 James McCartan Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 08, 2020, 09:26:12 AM
Mickey McVeigh

Miceal Magill
Dan Gordon
Paul Higgins

DJ Kane
Liam Doyle
Ross Carr

Barry Breen
Ambrose Rogers Jr

Conor Laverty
Greg Blaney
Martin Clarke

Mickey Linden
James McCartan
Danny Hughes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 08, 2020, 09:40:45 AM
Interesting

You reckon Dan Gordon was a better full back that Brian Burns in his prime ?

There isn't much breaking ball being won by your wing forwards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 08, 2020, 09:49:18 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 08, 2020, 09:40:45 AM
Interesting

You reckon Dan Gordon was a better full back that Brian Burns in his prime ?

There isn't much breaking ball being won by your wing forwards.

Brian Burns had a wonderful year in 1994 at FB. Was he actually a solid reliable full back after that year? That's debatable. He ended up a mediocre (by county standards) midfielder before too long, while Down spent 15 years looking for a full back. Then came along Big Dan, who was a more than solid option there for 2-3 years.

But as it turns out i didn't have a Ford player in that line up, so there's a strong chance that Eamon Burns would heave-ho Liam Doyle.

——

Would Conor Laverty and Greg Blaney not be expert breaking ball winners?

And Clarke starts no matter what.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 08, 2020, 10:13:25 AM
Bit harsh on Brian Burns, thought he was decent at least through until 1996, did he not mark canavan in the beaten final against Tyrone that year ?  Dan had a decent year in 2010 at fullback but went by the wayside very quickly after that.

Don't see Laverty as a ball winner in the mould of Mason or Carr or wee James for that matter, wouldn't be picked ahead of any of those three in the half forward line imo but its all about opinion.

Maybe swap Marty with Hughes and play him at 15 like in 2010.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 08, 2020, 10:24:12 AM
Yeah Clarke has to start, cant believe I omitted him. I'd have him at wing forward and put Ambrose at ff, in place of Farrell.  Ambrose could go to mf either and Dan at Ff, where he was very effective in his early days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 08, 2020, 10:29:20 AM
I still think Deegan has to start at fb, unfortunate that Breen misses out further out the field, but there is more strength in depth in the half back and midfield areas
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 08, 2020, 10:54:20 AM
Two class footballers and very difficult to chose but Breen edges it for me.

Difficult to comprehend that the best footballer we have had in the last 20 years cant get in anyone's team, all because of how good Mickey was
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 08, 2020, 10:55:18 AM
Imagine Benny and Mickey in their prime in the inside forward line together - Frightening
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 08, 2020, 10:55:30 AM
M mc veigh

M magill
C deegan
P higgins

E burns
P o'rourke
Dj kane

D gordon
A rodgers jnr

R carr
G blaney
M clarke

M linden
A farrell
J mccartan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on April 08, 2020, 12:39:19 PM
1 Neil Collins (Carryduff)
2 Miceal Magill (CPN)
3 Conor Deegan (Downpatrick)
4 Paul Higgins (Ballymartin)
5 DJ Kane (Newry Shamrocks)
6 Paddy O'Rourke (Burren)
7 Eamonn Burns (Bryansford)
8 Dan Gordon (Loughinisland)
9 Greg McCartan Castlewellan)
10 Ross Carr (Clonduff)
11 Greg Blaney (Ballycran)
12 Martin Clarke (An Riocht)
13 Mickey Linden (Mayobridge)
14 Ambrose Rogers Snr (Longstone)
15 James McCartan (Tullylish)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 08, 2020, 12:48:58 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on April 08, 2020, 12:39:19 PM
1 Neil Collins (Carryduff)
2 Miceal Magill (CPN)
3 Conor Deegan (Downpatrick)
4 Paul Higgins (Ballymartin)
5 DJ Kane (Newry Shamrocks)
6 Paddy O'Rourke (Burren)
7 Eamonn Burns (Bryansford)
8 Dan Gordon (Loughinisland)
9 Greg McCartan Castlewellan)
10 Ross Carr (Clonduff)
11 Greg Blaney (Ballycran)
12 Martin Clarke (An Riocht)
13 Mickey Linden (Mayobridge)
14 Ambrose Rogers Snr (Longstone)
15 James McCartan (Tullylish)

Listing Blaney as a Ballycran footballer since 1990 is cop out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 08, 2020, 01:11:26 PM
An alternative 15 with no players that have won an all ireland:

M mcveigh

D rafferty
D gordon
D ohagan

D ohanlon
L doyle
C mooney

A rodgers
K king

D hughes
Shorty treanor
M clarke

P mccommiskey
B coulter
R murtagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 08, 2020, 01:36:39 PM
Interesting, you have none of the 2010 half back line which was a mainstay of that team.

Not too many cleaned Garvey and Rooney that year and McKernan was immense going forward once he won his place back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 08, 2020, 02:27:30 PM
Great debate lads
Can't argue with most of Ambrose team
Mickey McVeigh in goals as I would count Greg B as Carryduff
I would also place Ambrose Rodgers senior in midfield and Mason at 14
Other than that it looks good

Best Down team from the 90s

1- N Collins
2- M McGill
3- C Deegan
4- P Higgins
5 E Burns
6 P O Rourke
7 D J Kane
8 G McCartan
9 B Breen
10 R Carr
11 G Blaney
12 J McCartan
13 M Linden
14 B Coulter
15 G Mason

Only 1 played of the modern era would make that team and in saying that make that forward line comfortably with question. Benny is on power on his day for both the club and county pound for pound as good a forward as we have ever produced.

Players unfortunate to miss out
B Burns someone had to loose out
P Witnell
A Rodgers SNR (coming to and end then)
J Kelly
M Clarke
Shorty (if only he made himself available for Down more. Probably the nest club player Down has ever produced)
D O Hagen Downs most consistent player this 6 years


Below great players but not for long enough
A Rodgers
C McCabe (talent but don't know why couldn't make more of it???)
M McVeigh
S Mullholland
S Ward


L Howlett very unfortunate with injuries but what a player at underage. He was something else.

Open for debate lads

Hope everyone is keeping well

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 08, 2020, 03:07:07 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 08, 2020, 01:36:39 PM
Interesting, you have none of the 2010 half back line which was a mainstay of that team.

Not too many cleaned Garvey and Rooney that year and McKernan was immense going forward once he won his place back
it was the one from each team that was the killer, laverty, mckernan, garvey had to miss out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on April 08, 2020, 03:29:59 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 08, 2020, 02:27:30 PM
Great debate lads
Can't argue with most of Ambrose team
Mickey McVeigh in goals as I would count Greg B as Carryduff
I would also place Ambrose Rodgers senior in midfield and Mason at 14
Other than that it looks good

Open for debate lads

Hope everyone is keeping well

As the wobbler says, including Blaney as a Ballycran footballer is a cop out, but he's the first name on my team sheet. I have to include Neil Collins from Carryduff as my keeper, if only for that penalty save, but he was still the best Down keeper from that era in my opinion.
Mickey McVeigh was an excellent keeper, but if I included him, I'd have to drop Greg McCartan from midfield and let's be honest including Greg as a Castlewellan player is another cop out. Greg is a Ballymartin man. In my time watching Down from the early 70s, Greg makes my all time midfield pairing along with Colm McAlarney.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 08, 2020, 04:36:14 PM
Here is one for yas;

For those who can remember, who was the better captain and leader (not player), DJ or POR ?

Maybe its an unfair question given there were so many leaders in that team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 08, 2020, 05:50:40 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on April 08, 2020, 03:29:59 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 08, 2020, 02:27:30 PM
Great debate lads
Can't argue with most of Ambrose team
Mickey McVeigh in goals as I would count Greg B as Carryduff
I would also place Ambrose Rodgers senior in midfield and Mason at 14
Other than that it looks good

Open for debate lads

Hope everyone is keeping well

As the wobbler says, including Blaney as a Ballycran footballer is a cop out, but he's the first name on my team sheet. I have to include Neil Collins from Carryduff as my keeper, if only for that penalty save, but he was still the best Down keeper from that era in my opinion.
Mickey McVeigh was an excellent keeper, but if I included him, I'd have to drop Greg McCartan from midfield and let's be honest including Greg as a Castlewellan player is another cop out. Greg is a Ballymartin man. In my time watching Down from the early 70s, Greg makes my all time midfield pairing along with Colm McAlarney.

Surely if you count Gregory McCartan as a Ballymartin man (his original club), you have to count Blaney as a Ballycran man (his original club). 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 08, 2020, 05:58:07 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 08, 2020, 05:50:40 PM
Surely if you count Gregory McCartan as a Ballymartin man (his original club), you have to count Blaney as a Ballycran man (his original club).

Big Greg was playing for Ballymartin when Down won the All Irelands.

Wee Greg was playing for Carryduff when Down won the All Irelands.


Hardly unreasonable to have Ballymartin & Carryduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on April 08, 2020, 07:48:07 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 08, 2020, 04:36:14 PM
Here is one for yas;

For those who can remember, who was the better captain and leader (not player), DJ or POR ?

Maybe its an unfair question given there were so many leaders in that team.

POR was a passenger in 1991, he wore No.6 but never played there. Always moved onto the 'weakest' forward. A leader in his size but not in his play. DJ drove the team on 1994 and lead by example, he was a scrapper and did whatever needed to be done to win.

As for putting Dan Gordan as the best number 3 at any stage is bewildering. Donncha O'Connor scored 5 points of him in 2010, he was never a man marker and had a terrible game that day, maybe costing us a win. The line must also take alot of the blame for not making a change sooner.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 08, 2020, 08:09:56 PM
Wee James was good craic on Woolly podcast, he was very complementary about a certain part of big Austin's anatomy!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 08, 2020, 09:01:35 PM
Quote from: Lotto on April 08, 2020, 07:48:07 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 08, 2020, 04:36:14 PM
Here is one for yas;

For those who can remember, who was the better captain and leader (not player), DJ or POR ?

Maybe its an unfair question given there were so many leaders in that team.

POR was a passenger in 1991, he wore No.6 but never played there. Always moved onto the 'weakest' forward. A leader in his size but not in his play. DJ drove the team on 1994 and lead by example, he was a scrapper and did whatever needed to be done to win.

As for putting Dan Gordan as the best number 3 at any stage is bewildering. Donncha O'Connor scored 5 points of him in 2010, he was never a man marker and had a terrible game that day, maybe costing us a win. The line must also take alot of the blame for not making a change sooner.

I sat in the Canal End for that match.

My overwhelming memory of the second half was that Cork won almost every kickout then drove straight up the giant gaping hole in the middle of Down's defence.

Personally I'd never blame anyone in a full-back line when that happens. It's like blaming doctors for not saving everyone from cancer.

And yet Cork still only won by one. That's how efficient we had become up front.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on April 09, 2020, 01:27:24 AM
I was in the Canal End also; Cork were there for the taking, but our kick-out strategy was disastrous.  The management didn't respond, instead made foolish changes in the forward line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 09, 2020, 08:28:00 AM
Quote from: befair on April 09, 2020, 01:27:24 AM
I was in the Canal End also; Cork were there for the taking, but our kick-out strategy was disastrous.  The management didn't respond, instead made foolish changes in the forward line.

Yep totally agree. You could see it unfolding. But the management failed miserably in that 2nd half. And our knockout strategy is still non existent. I always thought Dan Gordon should've been moved out to midfield to at least try and win ball. Cork ruled midfield in that 2nd half winning frees and tapping them over. I have never watched that game over again I didn't even watch the sunday game that night. I often wonder if wee james had kept the management team in place would they have been more competitive in the following few  years.That was an all ireland thrown away in my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 09, 2020, 08:40:31 AM
I don't think he could keep the same management team in place.  I think there were fundamental disagreements in that second half along the line as to who to bring off and when and I think some decisions were made without the approval of James, the taking off of McComiskey and bringing on of Brannigan spring to mind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 09, 2020, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 08, 2020, 05:58:07 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 08, 2020, 05:50:40 PM
Surely if you count Gregory McCartan as a Ballymartin man (his original club), you have to count Blaney as a Ballycran man (his original club).

Big Greg was playing for Ballymartin when Down won the All Irelands.

Wee Greg was playing for Carryduff when Down won the All Irelands.


Hardly unreasonable to have Ballymartin & Carryduff.

Personally, I'd consider Blaney a Ballycran man. If anything I shouldn't have included Greg McCartan as a Castlewellan club man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 09, 2020, 11:37:49 AM
Anyone else going to take a stab at best team from 90
91/94 team would dominate all positions with 1/2 maybe
Leaving out Brian Burns doesn't sound right
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 09, 2020, 12:06:35 PM
N Collins
D O'Hagan/Rafferty close 2nd
Deegan
P Higgins
D.j Kane
B Breen
E Burns
D Gordon
G McCartan
M Clarke
G Blaney
R Carr
M Linden
B Coulter
J McCartan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 09, 2020, 12:08:38 PM
Darragh OHanlon looked likely to squeeze in only for injuries and maybe Mooney if same question asked in 3 or 4 years time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 09, 2020, 07:01:50 PM
Anyone care to pick their best 15 of players currently playing club football in Down? Or even fellas that are in abroad. Be interesting to see the team we could have if all we're available.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 09, 2020, 07:12:27 PM
I think that would be decent 15.

M Cunningham
A Branagan
G McGovern
D O Hagan
D Branagan
D O Hanlon
J Guinness
A Doherty
N Donnelly
S Miller
O McCabe
C Mooney
D O Hare
C Harrison
R Johnson
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 09, 2020, 08:19:01 PM
Not bad, great defence, just a pity 4 of them currently are not available.  Who knows if Darragh will ever be the same after 2 very serious injuries.

Feels like you are missing someone in forward line put cant put my finger on who. 

Maybe Niall McParland at 6 or midfield.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 09, 2020, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 09, 2020, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 08, 2020, 05:58:07 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 08, 2020, 05:50:40 PM
Surely if you count Gregory McCartan as a Ballymartin man (his original club), you have to count Blaney as a Ballycran man (his original club).

Big Greg was playing for Ballymartin when Down won the All Irelands.

Wee Greg was playing for Carryduff when Down won the All Irelands.


Hardly unreasonable to have Ballymartin & Carryduff.

Personally, I'd consider Blaney a Ballycran man. If anything I shouldn't have included Greg McCartan as a Castlewellan club man.

Greg did play football for Ballycran in his latter years when they tried to play both for a while.
Some course Christians playing along with a lad with two AI medals in his arse pocket.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 09, 2020, 09:21:16 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 09, 2020, 08:19:01 PM
Not bad, great defence, just a pity 4 of them currently are not available.  Who knows if Darragh will ever be the same after 2 very serious injuries.

Feels like you are missing someone in forward line put cant put my finger on who. 

Maybe Niall McParland at 6 or midfield.

Completely forgot about McParland, id play him beside Donnelly in MF then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 10, 2020, 08:31:06 AM
Liam Kerr has probably shown enough to edge out Johnson and Corey Quinn looks promising as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 10, 2020, 01:00:24 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 10, 2020, 08:31:06 AM
Liam Kerr has probably shown enough to edge out Johnson and Corey Quinn looks promising as well.
Would be a great bench, very  little between Kerr, Quinn, R J and O Hare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on April 14, 2020, 01:14:17 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 09, 2020, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 09, 2020, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 08, 2020, 05:58:07 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 08, 2020, 05:50:40 PM
Surely if you count Gregory McCartan as a Ballymartin man (his original club), you have to count Blaney as a Ballycran man (his original club).

Big Greg was playing for Ballymartin when Down won the All Irelands.

Wee Greg was playing for Carryduff when Down won the All Irelands.


Hardly unreasonable to have Ballymartin & Carryduff.

Personally, I'd consider Blaney a Ballycran man. If anything I shouldn't have included Greg McCartan as a Castlewellan club man.

Greg did play football for Ballycran in his latter years when they tried to play both for a while.
Some course Christians playing along with a lad with two AI medals in his arse pocket.

Greg played for BallycrN in 91
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on April 14, 2020, 01:16:30 AM
Quote from: ardtole on April 10, 2020, 08:31:06 AM
Liam Kerr has probably shown enough to edge out Johnson and Corey Quinn looks promising as well.
Kerr is a fantastic talent but has only played a couple of league games,  if he keeps progressing he will be a legend but ATM he shouldn't be considered for this
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 15, 2020, 12:44:51 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on April 14, 2020, 01:14:17 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 09, 2020, 09:14:11 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 09, 2020, 10:26:50 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 08, 2020, 05:58:07 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 08, 2020, 05:50:40 PM
Surely if you count Gregory McCartan as a Ballymartin man (his original club), you have to count Blaney as a Ballycran man (his original club).

Big Greg was playing for Ballymartin when Down won the All Irelands.

Wee Greg was playing for Carryduff when Down won the All Irelands.


Hardly unreasonable to have Ballymartin & Carryduff.

Personally, I'd consider Blaney a Ballycran man. If anything I shouldn't have included Greg McCartan as a Castlewellan club man.

Greg did play football for Ballycran in his latter years when they tried to play both for a while.
Some course Christians playing along with a lad with two AI medals in his arse pocket.

Greg played for BallycrN in 91

You could be right but I always thought Carryduff had three lads on the 91 team, Neil Collins, John Kelly and Greg.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on April 16, 2020, 01:41:08 AM
Greg was Ballycran,  Mark McCartan Was The 3rd player on the squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on April 16, 2020, 09:34:41 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0410/1129909-all-stars-of-the-sunday-game-era-football-half-backs/

RTE Sport today produced a shortlist of the best football half backs of the Sunday Game era over the last 40 years.  It included over 70 names, including several who never actually played in an All Ireland final. DJ made the cut but big Paddy, who captained the first Ulster team to win the Sam Maguire for almost a quarter of a century, was omitted. Barry Breen, who was outstanding at centre half in 1994 when he won an All Star, also missed out, as did Kevin McKernan, who was brilliant throughout our 2010 campaign. It's clearly never been easy for northern players to impress southern judges.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on April 17, 2020, 08:30:39 PM
Paddy's problem was he was at his best in the 80's while Down were not great and probably played more at midfield than half back. He was outstanding though.
Breen has never been truly appreciated and McKernan again has played everywhere so difficult for him
My best 3 would be McConnell, Downey and either McCaffery or Stephen O'Brien
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 20, 2020, 04:29:57 PM
Some fantastic work being done by a lot of clubs to assist the vulnerable in their communities. Great to see
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 25, 2020, 03:21:52 PM
Derry v Down 1994 ulster championship match is on tg4 tomorrow afternoon. One of the best matches of all time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 25, 2020, 03:50:43 PM
Ah brilliant, that was some days craic!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on April 26, 2020, 04:30:54 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 25, 2020, 03:21:52 PM
Derry v Down 1994 ulster championship match is on tg4 tomorrow afternoon. One of the best matches of all time.

I always thought it was a classic but anybody think it's a bit over-rated with the passage of time?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 26, 2020, 04:53:52 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 26, 2020, 04:30:54 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 25, 2020, 03:21:52 PM
Derry v Down 1994 ulster championship match is on tg4 tomorrow afternoon. One of the best matches of all time.

I always thought it was a classic but anybody think it's a bit over-rated with the passage of time?
call me crazy but as iconic the 90's team are to us I think the current Down team would beat them even with them being average compare to other teams atm. The game has just evolved so much in terms of athleticism and skill. Back then it seemed that the tactic was catch it and kick it as far up the field and hope it went to a teammate 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 26, 2020, 04:59:30 PM
Nanderson you are crazy.
The game has evolved massively but so to would that team
Crazy statement
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 26, 2020, 05:04:47 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 26, 2020, 04:59:30 PM
Nanderson you are crazy.
The game has evolved massively but so to would that team
Crazy statement
I never said that the 90's team would have evolved. Its if the two teams stayed in the era that they are currently in. I would fancy Darren O'Hagan to do a job on Linden and nullify their main threat up front.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 26, 2020, 05:08:01 PM
Is that a piss take?
Darren a super defender but come on
Who would do a number on
Greg?
James?
Ross?
McCabe?

O and who would you put in midfield against Gregory Eamon Burns Breen Deegan

Higgins Deegan Magill etc would not cope with Downs current forwards 🙄🙄
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 26, 2020, 07:09:37 PM
I don't know much, but here's what I do know.

- Down were best team in Ireland in 1994. It's actually insulting to suggest a D3 team from 2020 would beat them because they've compensated for not being naturally big and athletic, by eating weights.

- I watched all of the 1994 team and subs in club football, and was (un)lucky enough to play against good few of them. The likes of Ciaran McCabe and Gerard Deegan were on a different level to even D1 club forwards. There are lads who've played for Down the last 5 years who you wouldn't notice in a club game if you watched them for a week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 26, 2020, 07:28:09 PM
And that is why wobbler is the best posted on this board
Well said
I rest my case
Very well put
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 26, 2020, 08:01:08 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 26, 2020, 07:28:09 PM
And that is why wobbler is the best posted on this board
Well said
I rest my case
Very well put
Thank-you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 26, 2020, 10:01:14 PM
On that topic, anyone that thinks the current Down team would beat the 94 team is taking the piss, where would you start in comparing the players, I know the game has changed a lot but the quality of players on view onTG4 today is simply not in the county now, one of the best of many days following Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on April 26, 2020, 10:47:14 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 26, 2020, 05:04:47 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 26, 2020, 04:59:30 PM
Nanderson you are crazy.
The game has evolved massively but so to would that team
Crazy statement
I never said that the 90's team would have evolved. Its if the two teams stayed in the era that they are currently in. I would fancy Darren O'Hagan to do a job on Linden and nullify their main threat up front.
Nanderson you gave me a laugh if nothing else  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on April 26, 2020, 11:11:29 PM
I've been following Down since the early to mid 70s, my first memory of a Down game was circa 1974. That particular game in Celtic Park in 1994 was the greatest game of football I ever attended. If Down had lost that game by a point or two we really couldn't have had any complaints, it was that close. Derry had some amazing footballers. Brolly ran the show until Paul Higgins put manners on him.Tohill and McGilligan at midfield were without equal, Tohill was and is the complete footballer. McKeever and Scullion were two of the greatest corner backs in the game. Henry Downey was magnificent, not just on the day, but over a two or three tear period and he deservedly got to lift Sam in 1993. For me Brian McCormack was one of the most under rated footballers of his generation. And they had the mecurial Eamon Coleman as manager.
BUT, they hurt us in Newry on a wet day in the Marshes the year before and we owed them one AND their All Ireland title was on the line.
Where do you start with the Down team on that day. Collins was magnificent, that save from Tohill alone should have earned him an All Star. Paul Higgins changed the game when he was introduced, he didn't allow Brolly a second. DJ commanded the half back line, he played like a man possessed. Our midfield shaded the battle with Tohill and McGilligan. Greg McCartan in particular had an excellent game, possibly his best game in a Down shirt and definetly his best celabration at the final whistle.
The star of the show, the star of that team ran the game from centre half forward. Blaney was just ahead of the game, he made decisons before anyone else knew what he was even thinking about, no solo, no bounce just a straight, quick ball into the corners. Linden in particular made hay in the Celtic Park sunshine. Wee James, probably scored the point of the year when he seemed to carry the ball for an age, bit for me his best score was in the first half, when he won his own ball and banged it over the bar. Similar to Heaneys snap shot in the second half.

Fergal P McCusker scored a fortuitous goal, which swung the game in Derrys favour and wee Pete introduced Ciaran McCabe for Gerard Deegan and the rest, as they say is history. Greg McCartan added another point from a free, but for me, I knew Derry were beat when McGilligan went down in the 70th minute. Wee James and Blaney were concocting an injury to run down the clock, but McGilligan was down, he had given his all and Derry were vanquished.

Tommy Sugrue blew the final whistle, but we had to wait until September for Sam. Neil Collins saved a penalty in an otherwise, unremarkable season. Whatever about our victory that day and our subsequent victories on the road to Sam, Derry lost the best the manager they ever had through sheer short sightedness and despite managing Cavan, his heart was always in Derry.

For anyone to suggest that anyone from the current panel would do a job on any of the players in that game in '94 is lunacy.

RIP to the two Eamons from 94 and anyone else who has may no longer be with us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 26, 2020, 11:27:02 PM
I'm probably 10 years younger than you Ambrose and would have to agree with your post. Ohagan and possibly a fit Ohanlon and Mooney would make the 90s squad from the present teams.

Blaney was outstanding in that game v Derry and he had Henry Downey marking him, what a player he was. I listened to a podcast recently with Tony Scullion, probably the best interview I ever listened to, sheer enthusiasm and pure respect for every team mate and opponent he ever faced. That was a serious Derry team, who looked like they had Downs number before McCabes goal. There probably isn't a player in the country (nevermind down) who would take the scores Wee James did that day, and with such nonchalance.

Mickey Linden is Mickey Linden, very fortunate to be 19 year of age back then, great team. Best Down performance I've seen was the semi final that year v Cork, won by 7 , I think, but it was a complete performance, never looked in trouble.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on April 26, 2020, 11:33:23 PM
Do you have a link to the podcat with Tony Scullion?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Trap on April 27, 2020, 12:07:46 AM
I happened to watch Down v Kerry in 2010 today. Down were absolutely awesome and had some magnificent individual displays.
Was just looking about after watching the 1994 match.........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on April 27, 2020, 12:41:45 AM
Irrespective of the football wee Marty was useless as a commentator and hasn't aged well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on April 27, 2020, 09:09:09 AM
Quote from: Ambrose on April 26, 2020, 11:33:23 PM
Do you have a link to the podcat with Tony Scullion?

Just google Shane Stapleton Our Game. Should be on there  down the list a bit Ambrose.

He's currently doing interviews with past stars - good enjoyable listening. He's talking to ex-footballers and hurlers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on April 27, 2020, 03:10:01 PM
The real shame is how our game has deteriorated since then; no massed defence (thanks Donegal), no faking injury to get opponents sent off (thanks Tyrone), no short kick-outs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 27, 2020, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on April 26, 2020, 11:33:23 PM
Do you have a link to the podcat with Tony Scullion?

https://ourgame.ie/tony-scullion-on-derry-1993-bringing-sam-home-to-his-dad-brolly-tohill-downey-co/

Would recommend it, one of the best I have listened to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on April 28, 2020, 10:57:21 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 27, 2020, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on April 26, 2020, 11:33:23 PM
Do you have a link to the podcat with Tony Scullion?

https://ourgame.ie/tony-scullion-on-derry-1993-bringing-sam-home-to-his-dad-brolly-tohill-downey-co/

Would recommend it, one of the best I have listened to.

Thanks SB
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 29, 2020, 05:25:42 PM
Quote from: befair on April 27, 2020, 03:10:01 PM
The real shame is how our game has deteriorated since then; no massed defence (thanks Donegal), no faking injury to get opponents sent off (thanks Tyrone), no short kick-outs.

Has it deteriorated though?

Or is that just a common rhetoric used by those who remember a different style when they grew up and perhaps played?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 06, 2020, 09:56:58 PM
Obviously it's a big if at the minute - But clubs been given the go ahead to start training again 20th July, what do we reckon will happen? Will it just be championship played or will they do something with the leagues as well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on May 07, 2020, 12:22:08 AM
I would think it will just be Championship, the format is anyone's guess as it would need to be meaningful enough for clubs make the effort yet would need to be completed before inter country championship in October. Light is going to be a problem
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on May 13, 2020, 08:10:13 PM
http://www.downgaa.net/news/virtualsong
Comghairdeas to Paula and all involved; absolutely brilliant
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 16, 2020, 10:38:08 AM
GAA lockdown rules being broken by Clubs close to the coast of Carlingford Lough.Bad form.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 16, 2020, 06:59:45 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ambrose on May 16, 2020, 08:34:35 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 16, 2020, 10:38:08 AM
GAA lockdown rules being broken by Clubs close to the coast of Carlingford Lough.Bad form.

Cuchulainn Gaels, Cooley Kickhams and St Patricks?

Do we really need this type of bullsh*t at the minute?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 16, 2020, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: Ambrose on May 16, 2020, 08:34:35 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 16, 2020, 10:38:08 AM
GAA lockdown rules being broken by Clubs close to the coast of Carlingford Lough.Bad form.

Cuchulainn Gaels, Cooley Kickhams and St Patricks?

Do we really need this type of bullsh*t at the minute?
To use Sean Cavanagh terminology- the UK side of the Lough is what I am referencing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 17, 2020, 12:20:20 AM
Was it a full session or a few guys out kicking ball?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 12:28:28 AM
Personally I'd appreciate if the poster(s) in question could advise on whether they have first hand, second hand or third hand knowledge of clubs breaking the law.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 17, 2020, 09:16:29 AM
Boris's lockdown rules? Go out, dont go out, stay in, go to work, Exercise, dont go to Work. Hard to follow what rules are meant to be at this stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 11:11:28 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 12:28:28 AM
Personally I'd appreciate if the poster(s) in question could advise on whether they have first hand, second hand or third hand knowledge of clubs breaking the law.
Fourth or fifth hand :) :)What does it matter whether it was 1st,2nd or whatever? If true,it is a disgrace. Ps.I don't know if it is true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 11:16:02 AM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 11:11:28 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 12:28:28 AM
Personally I'd appreciate if the poster(s) in question could advise on whether they have first hand, second hand or third hand knowledge of clubs breaking the law.
Fourth or fifth hand :) :)What does it matter whether it was 1st,2nd or whatever? If true,it is a disgrace. Ps.I don't know if it is true.

It matters a lot. It's the difference between a couple of players going for a 5k while in club colours, then bumping into another player, and 20 men meeting at a pre-specified location and going through drills or tactics together.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 17, 2020, 11:19:30 AM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 11:11:28 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 12:28:28 AM
Personally I'd appreciate if the poster(s) in question could advise on whether they have first hand, second hand or third hand knowledge of clubs breaking the law.
Fourth or fifth hand :) :)What does it matter whether it was 1st,2nd or whatever? If true,it is a disgrace. Ps.I don't know if it is true.

Why would you state it in such terms or at all if you don't know it's true? To use a very prevalent and apt term, fake news? Could you please expand on the clubs or personnel you are speaking about as I am sure they would like to correct you if you are wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 12:02:56 PM
I seemed to have touched a raw nerve around the the place.
I heard it.
I've put it onto the Board here.
I have said I don't know if it is true.
The truth will come out and if wrong,it's no big deal.If true,it is a big deal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 17, 2020, 12:10:39 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 12:02:56 PM
I seemed to have touched a raw nerve around the the place.
I heard it.
I've put it onto the Board here.
I have said I don't know if it is true.
The truth will come out and if wrong,it's no big deal.If true,it is a big deal.

You could have asked on the board - "anyone hear of clubs breaking lockdown rules".. But you went straight to say GAA clubs not adhering to lockdown from Chinese whispers you heard and not provided substance of what the situation was
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 12:17:13 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 17, 2020, 12:10:39 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 12:02:56 PM
I seemed to have touched a raw nerve around the the place.
I heard it.
I've put it onto the Board here.
I have said I don't know if it is true.
The truth will come out and if wrong,it's no big deal.If true,it is a big deal.

You could have asked on the board - "anyone hear of clubs breaking lockdown rules".. But you went straight to say GAA clubs not adhering to lockdown from Chinese whispers you heard and not provided substance of what the situation was
You could have, you should have! Oh dear! Prickly bunch on here today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 17, 2020, 12:18:31 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 12:17:13 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 17, 2020, 12:10:39 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 12:02:56 PM
I seemed to have touched a raw nerve around the the place.
I heard it.
I've put it onto the Board here.
I have said I don't know if it is true.
The truth will come out and if wrong,it's no big deal.If true,it is a big deal.

You could have asked on the board - "anyone hear of clubs breaking lockdown rules".. But you went straight to say GAA clubs not adhering to lockdown from Chinese whispers you heard and not provided substance of what the situation was
You could have, you should have! Oh dear! Prickly bunch on here today.

Only p***k here is you sir
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 12:52:40 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 17, 2020, 12:18:31 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 12:17:13 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 17, 2020, 12:10:39 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 12:02:56 PM
I seemed to have touched a raw nerve around the the place.
I heard it.
I've put it onto the Board here.
I have said I don't know if it is true.
The truth will come out and if wrong,it's no big deal.If true,it is a big deal.

You could have asked on the board - "anyone hear of clubs breaking lockdown rules".. But you went straight to say GAA clubs not adhering to lockdown from Chinese whispers you heard and not provided substance of what the situation was
You could have, you should have! Oh dear! Prickly bunch on here today.

Only p***k here is you sir
Sir?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 04:35:21 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
Not that common in that I didn't know the grounds so all we need now is the Clubs concerned and then look forward to our Sunday Dinner.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CornUladh02 on May 17, 2020, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
I would find it extraordinary and very hard to believe that clubs had full training sessions at council venues during lockdown.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on May 17, 2020, 11:28:55 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 04:35:21 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
Not that common in that I didn't know the grounds so all we need now is the Clubs concerned and then look forward to our Sunday Dinner.

Your initial post was very assertive and sure footed. Like a kid  who couldn't wait to tell their mate in the school yard a rumour overheard in the youth club. Without taking into consideration what you were saying may affect other persons incorrectly if you don't clarify what the f**k you are talking about. This is why people want to know the clubs in question. You have since backtracked as you realise you had little founding to go in so deep initially.

In any case, for the sake of clarity and the integrity of St Bronagh's GAA Rostrevor, closely aligned with Carlingford Lough as most know and may lead them to believe our club was involved. They weren't. I don't know who was, and it certainly isn't common knowledge, but it certainly was not Rostrevor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on May 17, 2020, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
I would find it extraordinary and very hard to believe that clubs had full training sessions at council venues during lockdown.

That's because it didn't happen.

One place you're not going to train is on a field that is just far enough away from a public road to not be able to stop someone taking photos, but just close enough to a public road for any modern camera to identify faces.


Anyway other wobller the problem here isn't that the GAABoard is mighty, or important or even influential. But there's someone in every club in our county has read this thread now, and has subsequently circulated the question around their own club. And people will stress and promote paranoia as a result.

So it's a Chinese whisper.

Maybe that's what you wanted, to entertain yourself.

But it's shitty behaviour imho.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 18, 2020, 08:48:07 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on May 17, 2020, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
I would find it extraordinary and very hard to believe that clubs had full training sessions at council venues during lockdown.

That's because it didn't happen.

One place you're not going to train is on a field that is just far enough away from a public road to not be able to stop someone taking photos, but just close enough to a public road for any modern camera to identify faces.


Anyway other wobller the problem here isn't that the GAABoard is mighty, or important or even influential. But there's someone in every club in our county has read this thread now, and has subsequently circulated the question around their own club. And people will stress and promote paranoia as a result.

So it's a Chinese whisper.

Maybe that's what you wanted, to entertain yourself.

But it's shitty behaviour imho.
Lotto has the answers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 18, 2020, 09:29:09 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on May 17, 2020, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
I would find it extraordinary and very hard to believe that clubs had full training sessions at council venues during lockdown.

That's because it didn't happen.

One place you're not going to train is on a field that is just far enough away from a public road to not be able to stop someone taking photos, but just close enough to a public road for any modern camera to identify faces.


Anyway other wobller the problem here isn't that the GAABoard is mighty, or important or even influential. But there's someone in every club in our county has read this thread now, and has subsequently circulated the question around their own club. And people will stress and promote paranoia as a result.

So it's a Chinese whisper.

Maybe that's what you wanted, to entertain yourself.

But it's shitty behaviour imho.
thewobbler,Are you saying people in your Club(maybe yourself) would circulate a so-called Chinese whisper around the members which would then promote paranoia?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 18, 2020, 09:31:11 AM
No I'm saying that's what you're doing.

Isn't that obvious?


This one is about you mate, not me, not Ballyholland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 19, 2020, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 18, 2020, 08:48:07 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on May 17, 2020, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
I would find it extraordinary and very hard to believe that clubs had full training sessions at council venues during lockdown.

That's because it didn't happen.

One place you're not going to train is on a field that is just far enough away from a public road to not be able to stop someone taking photos, but just close enough to a public road for any modern camera to identify faces.


Anyway other wobller the problem here isn't that the GAABoard is mighty, or important or even influential. But there's someone in every club in our county has read this thread now, and has subsequently circulated the question around their own club. And people will stress and promote paranoia as a result.

So it's a Chinese whisper.

Maybe that's what you wanted, to entertain yourself.

But it's shitty behaviour imho.
Lotto has the answers

Even worse that one of them was apparently pretending to be their local soccer team when asked what they were at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 19, 2020, 10:49:17 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 19, 2020, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 18, 2020, 08:48:07 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on May 17, 2020, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
I would find it extraordinary and very hard to believe that clubs had full training sessions at council venues during lockdown.

That's because it didn't happen.

One place you're not going to train is on a field that is just far enough away from a public road to not be able to stop someone taking photos, but just close enough to a public road for any modern camera to identify faces.


Anyway other wobller the problem here isn't that the GAABoard is mighty, or important or even influential. But there's someone in every club in our county has read this thread now, and has subsequently circulated the question around their own club. And people will stress and promote paranoia as a result.

So it's a Chinese whisper.

Maybe that's what you wanted, to entertain yourself.

But it's shitty behaviour imho.
Lotto has the answers

Even worse that one of them was apparently pretending to be their local soccer team when asked what they were at.
Ah go on Lotto—put them all out of their misery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 20, 2020, 01:46:18 PM
 Can we move on? This is worse than a Zoom Quiz
among children.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 22, 2020, 07:31:51 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 19, 2020, 10:49:17 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 19, 2020, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 18, 2020, 08:48:07 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on May 17, 2020, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
I would find it extraordinary and very hard to believe that clubs had full training sessions at council venues during lockdown.

That's because it didn't happen.

One place you're not going to train is on a field that is just far enough away from a public road to not be able to stop someone taking photos, but just close enough to a public road for any modern camera to identify faces.


Anyway other wobller the problem here isn't that the GAABoard is mighty, or important or even influential. But there's someone in every club in our county has read this thread now, and has subsequently circulated the question around their own club. And people will stress and promote paranoia as a result.

So it's a Chinese whisper.

Maybe that's what you wanted, to entertain yourself.

But it's shitty behaviour imho.
Lotto has the answers

Even worse that one of them was apparently pretending to be their local soccer team when asked what they were at.
Ah go on Lotto—put them all out of their misery.
It is interesting that one of the clubs has kept their walking route around their pitches open which I believe is in contradiction of the Croke Park directive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 22, 2020, 11:07:35 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 22, 2020, 07:31:51 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 19, 2020, 10:49:17 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 19, 2020, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 18, 2020, 08:48:07 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on May 17, 2020, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
I would find it extraordinary and very hard to believe that clubs had full training sessions at council venues during lockdown.

That's because it didn't happen.

One place you're not going to train is on a field that is just far enough away from a public road to not be able to stop someone taking photos, but just close enough to a public road for any modern camera to identify faces.


Anyway other wobller the problem here isn't that the GAABoard is mighty, or important or even influential. But there's someone in every club in our county has read this thread now, and has subsequently circulated the question around their own club. And people will stress and promote paranoia as a result.

So it's a Chinese whisper.

Maybe that's what you wanted, to entertain yourself.

But it's shitty behaviour imho.
Lotto has the answers

Even worse that one of them was apparently pretending to be their local soccer team when asked what they were at.
Ah go on Lotto—put them all out of their misery.
It is interesting that one of the clubs has kept their walking route around their pitches open which I believe is in contradiction of the Croke Park directive.
Lotto,You are holding onto a lot of info.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 26, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Shay McCartan released by Bradford City. Would love to see him back playing GAA before the end of his prime years. I've never marked a player as quick and explosive as he was underage and a lethal finisher
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 27, 2020, 09:23:48 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 19, 2020, 10:49:17 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 19, 2020, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 18, 2020, 08:48:07 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on May 17, 2020, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
I would find it extraordinary and very hard to believe that clubs had full training sessions at council venues during lockdown.

That's because it didn't happen.

One place you're not going to train is on a field that is just far enough away from a public road to not be able to stop someone taking photos, but just close enough to a public road for any modern camera to identify faces.


Anyway other wobller the problem here isn't that the GAABoard is mighty, or important or even influential. But there's someone in every club in our county has read this thread now, and has subsequently circulated the question around their own club. And people will stress and promote paranoia as a result.

So it's a Chinese whisper.

Maybe that's what you wanted, to entertain yourself.

But it's shitty behaviour imho.
Lotto has the answers

Even worse that one of them was apparently pretending to be their local soccer team when asked what they were at.
Ah go on Lotto—put them all out of their misery.
Too quiet on here this week.Lotto is not spilling the beans but
what I heard was that it was Burren and CPN who were the culprits
caught training on local Council pitches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 28, 2020, 07:49:15 AM
Quote from: wobbller on May 27, 2020, 09:23:48 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 19, 2020, 10:49:17 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 19, 2020, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 18, 2020, 08:48:07 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on May 17, 2020, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
I would find it extraordinary and very hard to believe that clubs had full training sessions at council venues during lockdown.

That's because it didn't happen.

One place you're not going to train is on a field that is just far enough away from a public road to not be able to stop someone taking photos, but just close enough to a public road for any modern camera to identify faces.


Anyway other wobller the problem here isn't that the GAABoard is mighty, or important or even influential. But there's someone in every club in our county has read this thread now, and has subsequently circulated the question around their own club. And people will stress and promote paranoia as a result.

So it's a Chinese whisper.

Maybe that's what you wanted, to entertain yourself.

But it's shitty behaviour imho.
Lotto has the answers

Even worse that one of them was apparently pretending to be their local soccer team when asked what they were at.
Ah go on Lotto—put them all out of their misery.
Too quiet on here this week.Lotto is not spilling the beans but
what I heard was that it was Burren and CPN who were the culprits
caught training on local Council pitches.
You took the words right out of my mouth, read between the lines and that's what I have been saying. Bad form and this was actually weeks ago during the heart of this pandemic and not just the last week or two.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on May 29, 2020, 09:49:49 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 26, 2020, 07:47:47 PM
Shay McCartan released by Bradford City. Would love to see him back playing GAA before the end of his prime years. I've never marked a player as quick and explosive as he was underage and a lethal finisher

Unfortunately its not going to happen. Speaking with Shay on Thurs evening. Awaiting the Outcome of the current EFL talks etc.

His words were "nobody's doing nothing at the minute, clubs need to know when they are back so they can plan ahead"

He has spoke to previous club Accrington Stanley and is hopeful of a return should there be a bit of cleaning up on the way forward over the next few weeks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 29, 2020, 11:46:35 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 28, 2020, 07:49:15 AM
Quote from: wobbller on May 27, 2020, 09:23:48 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 19, 2020, 10:49:17 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 19, 2020, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 18, 2020, 08:48:07 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on May 17, 2020, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
I would find it extraordinary and very hard to believe that clubs had full training sessions at council venues during lockdown.

That's because it didn't happen.

One place you're not going to train is on a field that is just far enough away from a public road to not be able to stop someone taking photos, but just close enough to a public road for any modern camera to identify faces.


Anyway other wobller the problem here isn't that the GAABoard is mighty, or important or even influential. But there's someone in every club in our county has read this thread now, and has subsequently circulated the question around their own club. And people will stress and promote paranoia as a result.

So it's a Chinese whisper.

Maybe that's what you wanted, to entertain yourself.

But it's shitty behaviour imho.
Lotto has the answers

Even worse that one of them was apparently pretending to be their local soccer team when asked what they were at.
Ah go on Lotto—put them all out of their misery.
Too quiet on here this week.Lotto is not spilling the beans but
what I heard was that it was Burren and CPN who were the culprits
caught training on local Council pitches.
You took the words right out of my mouth, read between the lines and that's what I have been saying. Bad form and this was actually weeks ago during the heart of this pandemic and not just the last week or two.
No comment from the big mouth pieces of both of these clubs, the truth must really hurt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 30, 2020, 08:27:23 AM
I think you will find 6 lads meeting up doing some exercise on a council pitch which has reopened is well within the guidelines as long as social distancing is maintained.
Am I missing something here? I can assure you no one has been training on our pitch. Let me make that very very clear.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 30, 2020, 09:42:51 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 30, 2020, 08:27:23 AM
I think you will find 6 lads meeting up doing some exercise on a council pitch which has reopened is well within the guidelines as long as social distancing is maintained.
Am I missing something here? I can assure you no one has been training on our pitch. Let me make that very very clear.
You tell them Smurfy!! Spreading slander like that😃😃😃
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 02, 2020, 07:51:40 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 30, 2020, 09:42:51 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 30, 2020, 08:27:23 AM
I think you will find 6 lads meeting up doing some exercise on a council pitch which has reopened is well within the guidelines as long as social distancing is maintained.
Am I missing something here? I can assure you no one has been training on our pitch. Let me make that very very clear.
You tell them Smurfy!! Spreading slander like that😃😃😃

I said previously that the Point training at Milltown was weeks ago during the early stages of total lockdown, you are admitting it took place at this time then. As for the Burren walkway around the pitches also being open for weeks now or possibly never even closing, who do these people think they are? I'm not even going to mention them training at Derryleckagh also a number of weeks ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 02, 2020, 11:51:57 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 30, 2020, 08:27:23 AM
I think you will find 6 lads meeting up doing some exercise on a council pitch which has reopened is well within the guidelines as long as social distancing is maintained.
Am I missing something here? I can assure you no one has been training on our pitch. Let me make that very very clear.
Smurfy,your sh-te about 6 lads meeting up was illegal when these incidences occured.The usual tripe
from you defending Dominic Rabb types.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 04, 2020, 08:54:11 AM
   The CoronaVirus situation has really affected some people in Down GAA circles.Today in the Irish News see's our County Hurling Manager list the top Celtic players that he has watched over the years . Sweet J-sus.Bad enough my own Club man dropping in every so often about his great love of Liverpool Soccer but this...a new low!
  Please God we can get back to the GAA-normal way of things soon as this is embarrassing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 04, 2020, 10:32:53 AM
Embarrassing? Newspapers trying to fill columns after 12 weeks of no sport is embarrassing? It's a credit to them to keep going. Some perspective on life needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 04, 2020, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: supersub on June 04, 2020, 10:32:53 AM
Embarrassing? Newspapers trying to fill columns after 12 weeks of no sport is embarrassing? It's a credit to them to keep going. Some perspective on life needed.
Oh dear,another LLL ;D ;D ;D. lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: seafoid on June 04, 2020, 02:51:08 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-summer-s-mosaic-slips-away-one-small-tile-at-a-time-1.4268981

"It was cold beyond belief when I got to Ballykinlar back on an April evening in 1990. My car had been making an ailing noise for the latter part of the journey but a complete lack of any mechanical understanding helped to persuade me that I'd be home before the matter needed any drastic attention.

Down footballers had, in manager Peter McGrath's first year, made the upcoming league semi-final. I had formed an enthusiast's view that were worth keeping an eye on after a league match against Cavan in Breffni Park. If Linden and McCartan weren't quite yet Lennon and McCartney, I was still impressed by the attacking style.

In Ballykinlar when the training session in the shadow of the large military installation had finished, a couple of kindly souls, including selector John Murphy, offered to lead me out to the Dublin road.

My car wheezed and struggled and eventually ground to a halt in Castlewellan where the clutch was deemed "away". In a very GAA deliverance the treacherous vehicle was pushed off the road into the driveway of the county minor manager, Gerry Dougherty, who then organised somewhere for me to stay.
The next day another selector Barney Treanor, a busy farmer, towed me to Newry to get the clutch replaced.

Down would run Meath very close in the league final and of course 16 months later beat them in the All-Ireland final to become the first county in 23 years from outside Munster or Leinster to win the Sam Maguire.

At the Down press night before that 1991 All-Ireland, Newry was packed on a sunny September evening. I met both John Murphy and Barney Treanor on the field and said that the traffic around Páirc Esler had been so crazy that I had been forced to park the car miles away.

John looked at me sceptically and replied: "We don't want to hear anything about your car."

Both of them died this year, Barney in February and John the week before last. Although I hadn't bumped into either in aeons, I will always remember their kindness 30 years ago and the exhilarating adventure of the football team they helped to assemble.

We'll miss them, especially whenever the games return and the great drama resumes."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 04, 2020, 05:08:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2020, 02:51:08 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-summer-s-mosaic-slips-away-one-small-tile-at-a-time-1.4268981

"It was cold beyond belief when I got to Ballykinlar back on an April evening in 1990. My car had been making an ailing noise for the latter part of the journey but a complete lack of any mechanical understanding helped to persuade me that I'd be home before the matter needed any drastic attention.

Down footballers had, in manager Peter McGrath's first year, made the upcoming league semi-final. I had formed an enthusiast's view that were worth keeping an eye on after a league match against Cavan in Breffni Park. If Linden and McCartan weren't quite yet Lennon and McCartney, I was still impressed by the attacking style.

In Ballykinlar when the training session in the shadow of the large military installation had finished, a couple of kindly souls, including selector John Murphy, offered to lead me out to the Dublin road.

My car wheezed and struggled and eventually ground to a halt in Castlewellan where the clutch was deemed "away". In a very GAA deliverance the treacherous vehicle was pushed off the road into the driveway of the county minor manager, Gerry Dougherty, who then organised somewhere for me to stay.
The next day another selector Barney Treanor, a busy farmer, towed me to Newry to get the clutch replaced.

Down would run Meath very close in the league final and of course 16 months later beat them in the All-Ireland final to become the first county in 23 years from outside Munster or Leinster to win the Sam Maguire.

At the Down press night before that 1991 All-Ireland, Newry was packed on a sunny September evening. I met both John Murphy and Barney Treanor on the field and said that the traffic around Páirc Esler had been so crazy that I had been forced to park the car miles away.

John looked at me sceptically and replied: "We don't want to hear anything about your car."

Both of them died this year, Barney in February and John the week before last. Although I hadn't bumped into either in aeons, I will always remember their kindness 30 years ago and the exhilarating adventure of the football team they helped to assemble.

We'll miss them, especially whenever the games return and the great drama resumes."
Two good men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 04, 2020, 08:11:11 PM
Load of Balls Podcast had PJ Magee on this week, brilliant listen if anyone has a spare couple of hours.. Best manager/coach I've ever had, good to hear him talk about his career and what he thinks of modern players compared to past players. Great interview
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 04, 2020, 08:51:38 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 04, 2020, 05:08:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2020, 02:51:08 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-summer-s-mosaic-slips-away-one-small-tile-at-a-time-1.4268981

"It was cold beyond belief when I got to Ballykinlar back on an April evening in 1990. My car had been making an ailing noise for the latter part of the journey but a complete lack of any mechanical understanding helped to persuade me that I'd be home before the matter needed any drastic attention.

Down footballers had, in manager Peter McGrath's first year, made the upcoming league semi-final. I had formed an enthusiast's view that were worth keeping an eye on after a league match against Cavan in Breffni Park. If Linden and McCartan weren't quite yet Lennon and McCartney, I was still impressed by the attacking style.

In Ballykinlar when the training session in the shadow of the large military installation had finished, a couple of kindly souls, including selector John Murphy, offered to lead me out to the Dublin road.

My car wheezed and struggled and eventually ground to a halt in Castlewellan where the clutch was deemed "away". In a very GAA deliverance the treacherous vehicle was pushed off the road into the driveway of the county minor manager, Gerry Dougherty, who then organised somewhere for me to stay.
The next day another selector Barney Treanor, a busy farmer, towed me to Newry to get the clutch replaced.

Down would run Meath very close in the league final and of course 16 months later beat them in the All-Ireland final to become the first county in 23 years from outside Munster or Leinster to win the Sam Maguire.

At the Down press night before that 1991 All-Ireland, Newry was packed on a sunny September evening. I met both John Murphy and Barney Treanor on the field and said that the traffic around Páirc Esler had been so crazy that I had been forced to park the car miles away.

John looked at me sceptically and replied: "We don't want to hear anything about your car."

Both of them died this year, Barney in February and John the week before last. Although I hadn't bumped into either in aeons, I will always remember their kindness 30 years ago and the exhilarating adventure of the football team they helped to assemble.

We'll miss them, especially whenever the games return and the great drama resumes."
Two good men.
Great men, what a contribution they both made to Down GAA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 04, 2020, 08:56:46 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 04, 2020, 08:11:11 PM
Load of Balls Podcast had PJ Magee on this week, brilliant listen if anyone has a spare couple of hours.. Best manager/coach I've ever had, good to hear him talk about his career and what he thinks of modern players compared to past players. Great interview

PJ is a Seriously knowledgeable football man, with outstanding values which he never dilutes. John Fegan really gets the best out of his subjects by making them feel comfortable , leading in with relevant questions and then letting them do the talking. Great interview with Marty Clarke last week as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 04, 2020, 11:12:12 PM
A lot of discussion on the main Board about our possible new Down Club in East Belfast.Quite heated for all the wrong reasons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on June 05, 2020, 07:13:34 AM
Agree Sam,  it's a great thing for Down GAA,  we need clubs forming in places we don't have clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 05, 2020, 10:34:22 AM
Quote from: Lotto on May 19, 2020, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 18, 2020, 08:48:07 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on May 17, 2020, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
I would find it extraordinary and very hard to believe that clubs had full training sessions at council venues during lockdown.

That's because it didn't happen.

One place you're not going to train is on a field that is just far enough away from a public road to not be able to stop someone taking photos, but just close enough to a public road for any modern camera to identify faces.


Anyway other wobller the problem here isn't that the GAABoard is mighty, or important or even influential. But there's someone in every club in our county has read this thread now, and has subsequently circulated the question around their own club. And people will stress and promote paranoia as a result.

So it's a Chinese whisper.

Maybe that's what you wanted, to entertain yourself.

But it's shitty behaviour imho.
Lotto has the answers

Even worse that one of them was apparently pretending to be their local soccer team when asked what they were at.
East Down now at it.Local Club are back training disguised as soccer players at the Rosconnor council pitches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 05, 2020, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on June 05, 2020, 07:13:34 AM
Agree Sam,  it's a great thing for Down GAA,  we need clubs forming in places we don't have clubs.

As long as it meets approval of surrounding clubs, ( and I imagine they would look on it positively in terms of extra local competition) , it should be an exciting development .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on June 05, 2020, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 05, 2020, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on June 05, 2020, 07:13:34 AM
Agree Sam,  it's a great thing for Down GAA,  we need clubs forming in places we don't have clubs.

As long as it meets approval of surrounding clubs, ( and I imagine they would look on it positively in terms of extra local competition) , it should be an exciting development .
So my own Club would have to agree to East Belfast being setting up a Club?I don't think that is the case.
We wish them all the best but it'll be tough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 05, 2020, 11:39:32 AM
Quote from: imagine on June 05, 2020, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 05, 2020, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on June 05, 2020, 07:13:34 AM
Agree Sam,  it's a great thing for Down GAA,  we need clubs forming in places we don't have clubs.

As long as it meets approval of surrounding clubs, ( and I imagine they would look on it positively in terms of extra local competition) , it should be an exciting development .
So my own Club would have to agree to East Belfast being setting up a Club?I don't think that is the case.
We wish them all the best but it'll be tough.
My understanding is that there are certain regulations and procedures around new starts , and exploring potential detrimental impact on surrounding clubs would be part of that. Catchment area etc has to be decided upon. Wouldn't see it as a problem as when demographics are supportive, a new club is probably more likely to help surrounding clubs, in fact carryduff/bredagh/st pauls are likely to provide good info and advice
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maiden1 on June 05, 2020, 11:48:19 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 05, 2020, 11:39:32 AM
Quote from: imagine on June 05, 2020, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 05, 2020, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on June 05, 2020, 07:13:34 AM
Agree Sam,  it's a great thing for Down GAA,  we need clubs forming in places we don't have clubs.

As long as it meets approval of surrounding clubs, ( and I imagine they would look on it positively in terms of extra local competition) , it should be an exciting development .
So my own Club would have to agree to East Belfast being setting up a Club?I don't think that is the case.
We wish them all the best but it'll be tough.
My understanding is that there are certain regulations and procedures around new starts , and exploring potential detrimental impact on surrounding clubs would be part of that. Catchment area etc has to be decided upon. Wouldn't see it as a problem as when demographics are supportive, a new club is probably more likely to help surrounding clubs, in fact carryduff/bredagh/st pauls are likely to provide good info and advice
If any club would be impacted it would be Bredagh, the rest of the clubs are far enough away that it wouldn't encroach there catchment area.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Malone+Rugby+Football+Club,+Gibson+Park+Avenue,+Cregagh+Road,+Belfast,+UK/Cherryvale+Playing+Fields,+Ravenhill+Road,+Belfast,+UK/@54.5864897,-5.8997223,15z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x4861091110cba439:0xa3e743e4353c4c80!2m2!1d-5.89616!2d54.582887!1m5!1m1!1s0x4861091c594a4efb:0xd22ccbe770a08bcf!2m2!1d-5.911152!2d54.5748953
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 05, 2020, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on May 17, 2020, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
I would find it extraordinary and very hard to believe that clubs had full training sessions at council venues during lockdown.

That's because it didn't happen.

One place you're not going to train is on a field that is just far enough away from a public road to not be able to stop someone taking photos, but just close enough to a public road for any modern camera to identify faces.


Anyway other wobller the problem here isn't that the GAABoard is mighty, or important or even influential. But there's someone in every club in our county has read this thread now, and has subsequently circulated the question around their own club. And people will stress and promote paranoia as a result.

So it's a Chinese whisper.

Maybe that's what you wanted, to entertain yourself.

But it's shitty behaviour imho.

Craic at work today is that another local club are at as well - any truth Wobbler or is it another Chinese whisper?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on June 05, 2020, 06:15:07 PM
Quote from: Lotto on June 05, 2020, 06:04:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 17, 2020, 11:36:49 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on May 17, 2020, 11:28:15 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 17, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 17, 2020, 01:39:01 PM

Quote from: Nanderson on May 17, 2020, 01:34:15 PM
Name the club then if you are already prepared to spread idle gossip on the matter
If I had wanted to name the Clubs I would have done so 3 or 4 posts ago.Paid help justifying their outrageous weekly wages.

It's common knowledge that the clubs in question were caught training at Milltown and Derryleckagh.
I would find it extraordinary and very hard to believe that clubs had full training sessions at council venues during lockdown.

That's because it didn't happen.

One place you're not going to train is on a field that is just far enough away from a public road to not be able to stop someone taking photos, but just close enough to a public road for any modern camera to identify faces.


Anyway other wobller the problem here isn't that the GAABoard is mighty, or important or even influential. But there's someone in every club in our county has read this thread now, and has subsequently circulated the question around their own club. And people will stress and promote paranoia as a result.

So it's a Chinese whisper.

Maybe that's what you wanted, to entertain yourself.

But it's shitty behaviour imho.

Craic at work today is that another local club are at as well - any truth Wobbler or is it another Chinese whisper?
Poor Chinese. Getting the blame for everything lately...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 05, 2020, 07:18:13 PM
Loughinisland by all accounts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 05, 2020, 07:26:08 PM
I have specifically asked Wobbler as he might personally know which club I am talking about  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 05, 2020, 08:00:12 PM
Club Championship starting in August by the looks of things - My own team been told to get the runners on and clock in the miles, small groups training seems to be going to happen by end of the month
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 05, 2020, 08:38:25 PM
Quote from: Lotto on June 05, 2020, 07:26:08 PM
I have specifically asked Wobbler as he might personally know which club I am talking about  ;)
Would that be myself,wobbller or thewobbler?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 05, 2020, 08:40:07 PM
 I haven't heard anything about the East Down infraction.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 05, 2020, 10:48:19 PM
To be fair, there is only one Wobbler and then there is some other guy. Why someone would pick such a close name to another poster is beyond me!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 05, 2020, 11:20:06 PM
Quote from: Lotto on June 05, 2020, 10:48:19 PM
To be fair, there is only one Wobbler and then there is some other guy. Why someone would pick such a close name to another poster is beyond me!
Other guy here! ;D
We await the answer from my cousin thewobbler.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 05, 2020, 11:34:28 PM
Good man  :) He was logged in there but left without a reply, he can't handle the truth  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 12:18:30 AM
Ah I can handle the truth lads.

And it's the same thing here as it was when I jumped in a few weeks ago.

The only difference between a couple of men staying fit together, half a dozen men working in a group together on their fitness, and full-on senior club training, is how much someone wants to add to the rumour when it arrives with them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 12:31:45 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 12:18:30 AM
Ah I can handle the truth lads.

And it's the same thing here as it was when I jumped in a few weeks ago.

The only difference between a couple of men staying fit together, half a dozen men working in a group together on their fitness, and full-on senior club training, is how much someone wants to add to the rumour when it arrives with them.

So it is ok to access Council pitches which are officially closed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 06, 2020, 12:41:49 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 12:18:30 AM
Ah I can handle the truth lads.

And it's the same thing here as it was when I jumped in a few weeks ago.

The only difference between a couple of men staying fit together, half a dozen men working in a group together on their fitness, and full-on senior club training, is how much someone wants to add to the rumour when it arrives with them.

The curse of the highly paid Coach strikes again and spoken like a true DUP Politician.
My cousin is now a clown.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 09:39:44 AM
Quote from: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 12:31:45 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 12:18:30 AM
Ah I can handle the truth lads.

And it's the same thing here as it was when I jumped in a few weeks ago.

The only difference between a couple of men staying fit together, half a dozen men working in a group together on their fitness, and full-on senior club training, is how much someone wants to add to the rumour when it arrives with them.

So it is ok to access Council pitches which are officially closed?

Is it okay to presume that a GAA club can somehow prevent its members from doing this (or doing anything)?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 09:46:26 AM
Quote from: wobbller on June 06, 2020, 12:41:49 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 12:18:30 AM
Ah I can handle the truth lads.

And it's the same thing here as it was when I jumped in a few weeks ago.

The only difference between a couple of men staying fit together, half a dozen men working in a group together on their fitness, and full-on senior club training, is how much someone wants to add to the rumour when it arrives with them.

The curse of the highly paid Coach strikes again and spoken like a true DUP Politician.
My cousin is now a clown.

Ah you see, now you're putting 2 and 3 together and getting a can of vegetable soup for your breakfast. Your response to me calling this out as Chinese whispers, is to add a highly paid mentor to the mix. I'm looking forward to you naming who this person is.

Ballyholland have not been training in any shape or form, at any grade, in either code, since 12th March.

Is that clear enough for you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 06, 2020, 10:55:45 AM
Well said the real wobbler
Same as our lads
How can you stop 6 lads going to a council pitch for a kickabout or some running?
Nothing in the slightest to do with our club
On March 12 our club stopped end of story and it will not return until June 29
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on June 06, 2020, 11:41:01 AM
What type of championship do you think there'll be in the 11 week club season?

I read somewhere that there'd be no Ulster and AI club championships this year, is this correct?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 12:04:15 PM
Quote from: maldini on June 06, 2020, 11:41:01 AM
What type of championship do you think there'll be in the 11 week club season?

I read somewhere that there'd be no Ulster and AI club championships this year, is this correct?

The balance is in getting players up to championship speed, but also giving enough "championship" games to make the season semi-worthwhile.

I'd suggest dropping the leagues for a year, and instead splitting them in two (geographically if possible), so that 4-5 weeks of "sanctioned, organised friendlies" can take place. With everyone getting at least two home games.

Then round robin groups of 4 for the championships (junior obviously needs a slightly different format), with the top two in each progressing  to the quarters. Round robin matches and quarter finals would be played across the county in neutral venues, but at same time, to minimise the number of people venturing to watch.

By the way the only way this would work is if clubs unequivocally agree to either "next score wins" or a free taking  contest in event of a tie after double extra time.

Week 1: Friendly league week 1
Week 2: Friendly league week 2
Week 3: Friendly league week 3
Week 4: Friendly league week 4
Week 5: friendly league week 5 / bye week
Week 6: Round robin week 1
Week 7: Round robin week 2
Week 8: Round robin week 3
Week 9: championship quarters
Week 10: championship semis
Week 11: championship final


I'd also resist any calls for a "plate" for the bottom 2 in the round robins. A 7 game season is better than no season. Just start planning for next season lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 09:46:26 AM
Quote from: wobbller on June 06, 2020, 12:41:49 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 12:18:30 AM
Ah I can handle the truth lads.

And it's the same thing here as it was when I jumped in a few weeks ago.

The only difference between a couple of men staying fit together, half a dozen men working in a group together on their fitness, and full-on senior club training, is how much someone wants to add to the rumour when it arrives with them.

The curse of the highly paid Coach strikes again and spoken like a true DUP Politician.
My cousin is now a clown.

Ah you see, now you're putting 2 and 3 together and getting a can of vegetable soup for your breakfast. Your response to me calling this out as Chinese whispers, is to add a highly paid mentor to the mix. I'm looking forward to you naming who this person is.

Ballyholland have not been training in any shape or form, at any grade, in either code, since 12th March.

Is that clear enough for you?

You are absolutely wrong there Wobbler. They have been training in Derryleckagh for a few weeks now, jumping the fence to get in. Some lad pops a knee or breaks an arm they are not covered by the GAA insurance never mind the transmission of the infection which can occur. I admire your strong defiance but I know what is going on, whether you choose to admit it or not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on June 06, 2020, 12:11:37 PM
11 weeks is too short to play a league and championship, but too long to have just a knockout championship were half the clubs would only have one game all year

Decent proposals there

If no league I assume the 2021 championship lineups will be based on the 2019 league positions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 12:13:59 PM
Lotto you seem to be under the impression that is club sanctioned training. Why?

What is it you actually think that a GAA club can do to stop people jumping the fence onto a council property?

If someone who happens to be from Ballyholland smashes their head in Derryleckagh at the minute it's on them. Not the club, not the GAA.

You describe me as "absolutely wrong".  I'm the treasurer of my club. Please don't try to tell me I'm wrong on this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 06, 2020, 12:33:54 PM
   My post yesterday was about Loughinisland breaking the rules but lotto has his view on whatever Ballyholland are up to.
TheWobbler's proposal makes sense.The usual back door championship is hard to justify when it's to be the only activity for the year for Senior Footballers.Will there be 2nds and 3rds football?Will there be any Football for younger ones?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 12:34:46 PM
Your senior team is collectively training in Derryleckagh and has been for several weeks now. You know it and I know it. End of.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 12:54:42 PM
Quote from: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 12:34:46 PM
Your senior team is collectively training in Derryleckagh and has been for several weeks now. You know it and I know it. End of.

Honestly fella, you have no idea what the f**k is going on. No idea. All you have is a collection of rumours that you are choosing to embellish and factualise because you've seen them written down in WhatsApp.

I suppose you know the absolute truth about two well known local business people's love lives too, do you? Or maybe you should just start using a bullshit-ometer with forwarded messages.

Writing "end of" does not change this.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 01:03:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 12:54:42 PM
Quote from: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 12:34:46 PM
Your senior team is collectively training in Derryleckagh and has been for several weeks now. You know it and I know it. End of.

Honestly fella, you have no idea what the f**k is going on. No idea. All you have is a collection of rumours that you are choosing to embellish and factualise because you've seen them written down in WhatsApp.

I suppose you know the absolute truth about two well known local business people's love lives too, do you? Or maybe you should just start using a bullshit-ometer with forwarded messages.

Writing "end of" does not change this.

Hit a nerve there Wobbler, the truth really hurts. I might slip down to Derrlyleckagh and take a photo of Ballyholland not training.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 01:04:32 PM
Quote from: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 01:03:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 12:54:42 PM
Quote from: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 12:34:46 PM
Your senior team is collectively training in Derryleckagh and has been for several weeks now. You know it and I know it. End of.

Honestly fella, you have no idea what the f**k is going on. No idea. All you have is a collection of rumours that you are choosing to embellish and factualise because you've seen them written down in WhatsApp.

I suppose you know the absolute truth about two well known local business people's love lives too, do you? Or maybe you should just start using a bullshit-ometer with forwarded messages.

Writing "end of" does not change this.

Hit a nerve there Wobbler, the truth really hurts. I might slip down to Derrlyleckagh and take a photo of Ballyholland not training.

I'd like you to do exactly that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 06, 2020, 01:09:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 12:54:42 PM
Quote from: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 12:34:46 PM
Your senior team is collectively training in Derryleckagh and has been for several weeks now. You know it and I know it. End of.

Honestly fella, you have no idea what the f**k is going on. No idea. All you have is a collection of rumours that you are choosing to embellish and factualise because you've seen them written down in WhatsApp.

I suppose you know the absolute truth about two well known local business people's love lives too, do you? Or maybe you should just start using a bullshit-ometer with forwarded messages.

Writing "end of" does not change this.
Love lives-this is getting good.Tell us more ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 06, 2020, 02:44:38 PM
Wobbler that is not a bad schedule at all. Any chance you could sit on the committee that decides
Lotto don't think you bet the point. How can you stop lads getting into a council pitch and doing some training? Nothing to do with the clubs in the slightest
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 03:10:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 06, 2020, 02:44:38 PM
Wobbler that is not a bad schedule at all. Any chance you could sit on the committee that decides
Lotto don't think you bet the point. How can you stop lads getting into a council pitch and doing some training? Nothing to do with the clubs in the slightest

Your own club, apparently, have also been at it in Milltown as well you know. No issue with a few lads training but when you have a full panel together like Ballyholland absolutely breaking so many rules both GAA and government based, putting their own health and the health of those at home at risk well then that is the issue I have. If people do what they should then the quicker we will get out of this and back to playing ball but reckless individuals and clubs just don't help the show.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 03:59:41 PM
Quote from: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 03:10:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 06, 2020, 02:44:38 PM
Wobbler that is not a bad schedule at all. Any chance you could sit on the committee that decides
Lotto don't think you bet the point. How can you stop lads getting into a council pitch and doing some training? Nothing to do with the clubs in the slightest

Your own club, apparently, have also been at it in Milltown as well you know. No issue with a few lads training but when you have a full panel together like Ballyholland absolutely breaking so many rules both GAA and government based, putting their own health and the health of those at home at risk well then that is the issue I have. If people do what they should then the quicker we will get out of this and back to playing ball but reckless individuals and clubs just don't help the show.

stop this you f**king arse. All you have is a couple of WhatsApp messages with no detail, and you think it's enough to hang a club.

You're making yourself look like a clown.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it any more true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 04:12:38 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 03:59:41 PM
Quote from: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 03:10:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 06, 2020, 02:44:38 PM
Wobbler that is not a bad schedule at all. Any chance you could sit on the committee that decides
Lotto don't think you bet the point. How can you stop lads getting into a council pitch and doing some training? Nothing to do with the clubs in the slightest

Your own club, apparently, have also been at it in Milltown as well you know. No issue with a few lads training but when you have a full panel together like Ballyholland absolutely breaking so many rules both GAA and government based, putting their own health and the health of those at home at risk well then that is the issue I have. If people do what they should then the quicker we will get out of this and back to playing ball but reckless individuals and clubs just don't help the show.

stop this you f**king arse. All you have is a couple of WhatsApp messages with no detail, and you think it's enough to hang a club.

You're making yourself look like a clown.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it any more true.

There you go, that's me told off and apparently I'M the one looking like a clown  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 04:15:26 PM
Well Lotto it's like this. You're finger pointing at all other D1 clubs in your area. It's such a convenient fit that it can only be parochial nonsense.

"They're all guilty, everyone is guilty apart from us".

"No we don't have any evidence, but we will repeat this until we die".

That's clown behaviour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 04:19:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 04:15:26 PM
Well Lotto it's like this. You're finger pointing at all other D1 clubs in your area. It's such a convenient fit that it can only be parochial nonsense.

"They're all guilty, everyone is guilty apart from us".

"No we don't have any evidence, but we will repeat this until we die".

That's clown behaviour.

3 clubs - Warrenpoint, Burren and Ballyholland, I didn't mention all clubs in D1.

Where are those other stupid quotes coming from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on June 06, 2020, 05:30:58 PM
Could you have a one round league, 9 games, and then a knockout championship in 11 weeks?
Playing Friday & Monday for a few weeks would enable you to get this all in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 06:44:05 PM
Quote from: maldini on June 06, 2020, 05:30:58 PM
Could you have a one round league, 9 games, and then a knockout championship in 11 weeks?
Playing Friday & Monday for a few weeks would enable you to get this all in

In theory yes. In reality you'd have no leeway for postponements for bereavements or weather, none at all. Plus I'd expect any dual club might have more than a few issues with this.

The secret to this is in making allowances for an imperfect sequence of games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on June 06, 2020, 07:18:32 PM
Well reasoned plan Wobbler for return on football for this year though word coming out from CCC  is probably going to involve all SFC games at Pairc Esler, though their plan is back door rather than round robin. The rationale is on basis of social distancing of supporters.
Would be great if plan also involves reserves.
Biggest headache will be juveniles. Hard for GAA to organise training and games for 15 aside when that number is larger than what will be allowed into school classes even in September. Logistical nightmare with lot of manpower involved in the planning of all training and games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 08:25:00 PM
Quote from: Godsown on June 06, 2020, 07:18:32 PM
Well reasoned plan Wobbler for return on football for this year though word coming out from CCC  is probably going to involve all SFC games at Pairc Esler, though their plan is back door rather than round robin. The rationale is on basis of social distancing of supporters.
Would be great if plan also involves reserves.
Biggest headache will be juveniles. Hard for GAA to organise training and games for 15 aside when that number is larger than what will be allowed into school classes even in September. Logistical nightmare with lot of manpower involved in the planning of all training and games

I can see what they're getting at there.

But I doubt there would be any more than 800 at any round robin match, if 4 of them were held simultaneously. There's 20 venues in our county could host those games. Plus, if there is a higher level of COVID in say Belfast or Downpatrick than Newry, it's probably not a good idea to bring hundreds of people down to Newry for a game, when there are suitable venues en route.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on June 06, 2020, 08:36:37 PM
Quote from: Godsown on June 06, 2020, 07:18:32 PM
Well reasoned plan Wobbler for return on football for this year though word coming out from CCC  is probably going to involve all SFC games at Pairc Esler, though their plan is back door rather than round robin. The rationale is on basis of social distancing of supporters.
Would be great if plan also involves reserves.
Biggest headache will be juveniles. Hard for GAA to organise training and games for 15 aside when that number is larger than what will be allowed into school classes even in September. Logistical nightmare with lot of manpower involved in the planning of all training and games

A back door championship potentially won't give some teams many games, some may only get 2 or 3 games. Co. Board would need to provide something more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on June 06, 2020, 11:22:37 PM
Quote from: maldini on June 06, 2020, 05:30:58 PM
Could you have a one round league, 9 games, and then a knockout championship in 11 weeks?
Playing Friday & Monday for a few weeks would enable you to get this all in

No,  senior hurling on Monday nights
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 10, 2020, 11:27:09 PM
 Anything further on Football Championships or underage football being on or not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 11, 2020, 03:17:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 08:25:00 PM
Quote from: Godsown on June 06, 2020, 07:18:32 PM
Well reasoned plan Wobbler for return on football for this year though word coming out from CCC  is probably going to involve all SFC games at Pairc Esler, though their plan is back door rather than round robin. The rationale is on basis of social distancing of supporters.
Would be great if plan also involves reserves.
Biggest headache will be juveniles. Hard for GAA to organise training and games for 15 aside when that number is larger than what will be allowed into school classes even in September. Logistical nightmare with lot of manpower involved in the planning of all training and games

I can see what they're getting at there.

But I doubt there would be any more than 800 at any round robin match, if 4 of them were held simultaneously. There's 20 venues in our county could host those games. Plus, if there is a higher level of COVID in say Belfast or Downpatrick than Newry, it's probably not a good idea to bring hundreds of people down to Newry for a game, when there are suitable venues en route.

In my opinion the Pairc Esler idea is the only real way they can ensure the protocols whatever they may be are followed.

Co Board & 1 club in control, rather than the variables that can occur if spread among other venues. Would love to see it at other venues of course, but control is paramount.

However if bad weather hits, you're fucked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 11, 2020, 03:40:09 PM
The GAA need to remember that 97% of Gaels are volunteers ,we know what the other 3% are . I hope Croke Park will be giving grants to clubs for these upgrades .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 11, 2020, 09:38:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 01:04:32 PM
Quote from: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 01:03:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 12:54:42 PM
Quote from: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 12:34:46 PM
Your senior team is collectively training in Derryleckagh and has been for several weeks now. You know it and I know it. End of.

Honestly fella, you have no idea what the f**k is going on. No idea. All you have is a collection of rumours that you are choosing to embellish and factualise because you've seen them written down in WhatsApp.

I suppose you know the absolute truth about two well known local business people's love lives too, do you? Or maybe you should just start using a bullshit-ometer with forwarded messages.

Writing "end of" does not change this.

Hit a nerve there Wobbler, the truth really hurts. I might slip down to Derrlyleckagh and take a photo of Ballyholland not training.

I'd like you to do exactly that.
I was going to take a a trip over to Derryleckagh this evening as that's when Ballyholland normally train there but I believe the County Secretary has put an end to your training when he put your senior team off the pitch recently. You probably don't know anything about that either Wobbler.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 11, 2020, 10:41:59 PM
embellish

/ɪmˈbɛlɪʃ,ɛmˈbɛlɪʃ/

verb

make (a statement or story) more interesting by adding extra details that are often untrue.
"Confused club members often embellish stories about their rival clubs"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 12, 2020, 01:24:19 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 11, 2020, 10:41:59 PM
embellish

/ɪmˈbɛlɪʃ,ɛmˈbɛlɪʃ/

verb

make (a statement or story) more interesting by adding extra details that are often untrue.
"Confused club members often embellish stories about their rival clubs"
Hi cousin/lotto,this is getting too much.Can we settle this once and for all about Ballyholland training illegally or not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 12, 2020, 07:57:55 AM
Quote from: wobbller on June 12, 2020, 01:24:19 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 11, 2020, 10:41:59 PM
embellish

/ɪmˈbɛlɪʃ,ɛmˈbɛlɪʃ/

verb

make (a statement or story) more interesting by adding extra details that are often untrue.
"Confused club members often embellish stories about their rival clubs"
Hi cousin/lotto,this is getting too much.Can we settle this once and for all about Ballyholland training illegally or not?

I'm saying yes, he is saying no. It is well known that they have been training collectively and were also caught. He can deny it all he wants but he is only making a fool of himself by taking this stance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 08:09:10 AM
but I believe the County Secretary has put an end to your training when he put your senior team off the pitch recently.

You're happy to commit to writing that Seán Og McAteer entered a locked council facility and convinced/coerced/forced a large group of young males to leave the facility.


But I'm the fool?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 12, 2020, 09:08:13 AM
So its the same format as last season for the championship again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 12, 2020, 10:09:45 AM
Quote from: downjim on June 12, 2020, 09:08:13 AM
So its the same format as last season for the championship again

So that's players of teams who get knocked out getting 2 games for Senior/Intermediate level and 1 at Junior Level? - If the leagues aren't being run then call of this season (modified leagues obviously), how's that supposed to entice players back

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 12, 2020, 10:58:20 AM
But can you see clubs agreeing to promotion and relegation in a competition ran off like a go game tournament?
But people cannot be negative either, if I see a few games this year i will be happy. It was not too long to people on this board were saying that there will be no football to 2022.
I am sure a few clubs teams could be near burnout after the intense running training they have been doing the past few months.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 12, 2020, 11:13:26 AM
Quote from: downjim on June 12, 2020, 10:58:20 AM
But can you see clubs agreeing to promotion and relegation in a competition ran off like a go game tournament?
But people cannot be negative either, if I see a few games this year i will be happy. It was not too long to people on this board were saying that there will be no football to 2022.
I am sure a few clubs teams could be near burnout after the intense running training they have been doing the past few months.

Probably not but I do think players should be consulted on it - Like I've been training doing the runs and already done a pre-season and will most likely have to go through another one and if we lose I get 1/2 games, a lot off effort for potentially very little reward.

I see Tyrone have split their leagues in 2 which I know there would be a disagreement about but I think it could be a good idea. Randomly pick teams in the groups or seed whichever people would prefer. Below is just random groups no bias

Example in Div 1 (Group 1)

Carryduff
Loughinisland
Burren
CPN
Ballyholland

(Group 2)

Kilcoo
Rostrevor
Bryansford
Clonduff
Mayobridge

Home and away fixtures, guarantee of 8 games - then I'm not sure of how many go up/down but a relegation play-off and top 2 in each group play league final

Then straight knock-out championship all could be run off before Inter-County games start.

I know this will be picked apart but just think it's a better deal for spectators and players - we both just want games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 12, 2020, 11:41:14 AM
Mourne Red ideally that would work with two games a week but Hurling and underage competitions need to come into reckoning too. Personally I think they should play all senior competitions and see where we are at. Trying to sort out reserve fixtures will be total carnage.
If county board are sorting seniors and minor fixtures for now then clubs could play 2 games a week, If every age group has fixtures then it with be a mess not to mention Ladies and Camogie who should be working away on something as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on June 12, 2020, 02:17:25 PM
Round Robin Championship with each club guaranteed 3 championship games seems like ideal format put forward by other counties. Promotion and relegation doesn't seem viable as there is not enough time to complete full round of fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 12, 2020, 11:16:29 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 08:09:10 AM
but I believe the County Secretary has put an end to your training when he put your senior team off the pitch recently.

You're happy to commit to writing that Seán Og McAteer entered a locked council facility and convinced/coerced/forced a large group of young males to leave the facility.


But I'm the fool?

Sorry about this lads. Catch a f**king grip on yourself. Everybody knows you have been training away when you shouldn't have been. You can talk all the shit you want to try and defend the indefensible. It's like trying to back that knob of a manager you had before Justy, and the style of shit shit football, never mind the antics, he played and you personally signed the cheques he was given Wobbler. Your club has really gone downhill in recent years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 13, 2020, 01:16:00 AM
Quote from: hardstation on June 12, 2020, 11:19:04 PM
The friendly fire has just escalated somewhat....
The cousin seems to be in a pickle here.Although I'd say there were no cheques involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 13, 2020, 09:38:57 AM
Quote from: Lotto on June 12, 2020, 11:16:29 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 08:09:10 AM
but I believe the County Secretary has put an end to your training when he put your senior team off the pitch recently.

You're happy to commit to writing that Seán Og McAteer entered a locked council facility and convinced/coerced/forced a large group of young males to leave the facility.


But I'm the fool?

Sorry about this lads. Catch a f**king grip on yourself. Everybody knows you have been training away when you shouldn't have been. You can talk all the shit you want to try and defend the indefensible. It's like trying to back that knob of a manager you had before Justy, and the style of shit shit football, never mind the antics, he played and you personally signed the cheques he was given Wobbler. Your club has really gone downhill in recent years.


Finally we get to the nub of it.

You don't like Ballyholland.

Which is the ultimate reason why you are compelled to embellish rumours about this club.

There are no facts here. Just wild fantasies. Such as Sean Og climbing the gates of a council facility to throw people off it. Just a word of advice. If you have some factual information about rival club's misdemeanours, you don't strengthen your case by adding flavour, you weaken it.

And your problem, throughout this conversation, has been that the core story - groups of 5-6 lads training together on a council pitch, without mentors or supervision - isn't a story.


I'm going to make a stabby guess that you don't like Warrenpoint or Burren much either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 13, 2020, 04:15:32 PM
What was wrong with 6 lads running around a field Lotto?
Can't see what the issue is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 14, 2020, 12:09:24 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 13, 2020, 04:15:32 PM
What was wrong with 6 lads running around a field Lotto?
Can't see what the issue is?
So you saw these 6 lads running around a field Smurfy? The source is a liar.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 14, 2020, 01:03:29 PM
Give over Lotto ffs, players all round the county been training together and posting on social media rather silly, as long as the 2m rule was followed who cares - Lets get back to talking about Football, any ideas when Championship/League draws will be made? Also was there any information given about supporters attending games? Are they permitted as long as social distancing is observed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 14, 2020, 03:01:54 PM
No I didn't but what's the problem
A field can be full of people in groups of 6(now 10) so long as they stick to the social distancing. So you could potentially have 100 running on a pitch doing nothing wrong(NO GAA PITCHES YET)
It is now a big thing to take a picture of lads out doing some training. Jesus get over it
Move on
In typical GAA fashion people are out to find the faults and holes
I seen 10 players out running this morning and I said to myself Jesus that's great to see.
If you wanna run get out and run
If you wanna shop get out and shop
If you wanna walk get out and walk
If you wanna stay indoors stay indoors
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 15, 2020, 09:21:51 AM
Can we forget about arguing about training ffs, every div 1 and 2 team are back training in every place other than their own pitch. Derrylecka, Milltown, Kilbroney, Tollymore, Annsborough and Kilcoo meadow to name a few. People giving  the Wobbler grief should really look at their own club ! Ps if you club is not doing any kind of fitness work NOW then i would be giving your senior manager grief and not wobbler.

What is your thoughts on the county board proposals? Personally i think they are ok and credit must go to getting them out. I think RGU and Castlewellan are griping that their is no promotion or relegation. Personally Castlewellan should be thankful as they will have another year in div 2 before they drop to div 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 15, 2020, 10:13:46 AM
I don't really see the need for league finals, but it's a small gripe. Lot of games squeezed into a short space of time, and the SFC relegation will help keep things honest.

—-

Anyone looking for a promotion / relegation league system in such a truncated season,  likely needs a wee light shone on their eyes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 15, 2020, 10:29:42 AM
To be honest, compiling that fixture list would not be easy and it looks clear and transparent.
Down Gaa used to be a shambles at leagues, draws, cups etc but in the past numbers of years  it seems very professional.
Although we all want to win a championship or league title, we should all enjoy the few games we will have this year and chance of meet old friends and foes.
I for one wont be complaining about a long trip to the far end of the county on a Friday evening with a coffee and sandwich from a Petrol station.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on June 16, 2020, 12:30:10 AM
I'm sure that will be a great relief to them that they are not representing you!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 16, 2020, 12:34:02 PM
Quote from: yewtree on June 15, 2020, 11:45:38 PM
Quote from: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 09:46:26 AM
Quote from: wobbller on June 06, 2020, 12:41:49 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 12:18:30 AM
Ah I can handle the truth lads.

And it's the same thing here as it was when I jumped in a few weeks ago.

The only difference between a couple of men staying fit together, half a dozen men working in a group together on their fitness, and full-on senior club training, is how much someone wants to add to the rumour when it arrives with them.

The curse of the highly paid Coach strikes again and spoken like a true DUP Politician.
My cousin is now a clown.

Ah you see, now you're putting 2 and 3 together and getting a can of vegetable soup for your breakfast. Your response to me calling this out as Chinese whispers, is to add a highly paid mentor to the mix. I'm looking forward to you naming who this person is.

Ballyholland have not been training in any shape or form, at any grade, in either code, since 12th March.

Is that clear enough for you?

You are absolutely wrong there Wobbler. They have been training in Derryleckagh for a few weeks now, jumping the fence to get in. Some lad pops a knee or breaks an arm they are not covered by the GAA insurance never mind the transmission of the infection which can occur. I admire your strong defiance but I know what is going on, whether you choose to admit it or not.

Lads , so what if there is socially distanced training, any player looking an edge will have been doing it.The fixtures released look good considering the pandemic.For years I have been calling out for a condensed season, just maybe not as condensed as this.
A lot of guys locally are beginning to come round to my way of thinking on this.Championship is going to be real interesting this year and the guys have been on extensive running plans and I imagine in terms of fitness will be ahead of those up the mountains.Those ones win one Ulster and now they are 'Kings of Ulster' they won't reach the final this year.
Have been doing a little social distancing bbqs and all are in agreement they are not representative of us.
you are spewing again spewtree.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on June 17, 2020, 06:21:13 PM
Quote from: yewtree on June 15, 2020, 11:45:38 PM
Quote from: Lotto on June 06, 2020, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 09:46:26 AM
Quote from: wobbller on June 06, 2020, 12:41:49 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2020, 12:18:30 AM
Ah I can handle the truth lads.

And it's the same thing here as it was when I jumped in a few weeks ago.

The only difference between a couple of men staying fit together, half a dozen men working in a group together on their fitness, and full-on senior club training, is how much someone wants to add to the rumour when it arrives with them.

The curse of the highly paid Coach strikes again and spoken like a true DUP Politician.
My cousin is now a clown.

Ah you see, now you're putting 2 and 3 together and getting a can of vegetable soup for your breakfast. Your response to me calling this out as Chinese whispers, is to add a highly paid mentor to the mix. I'm looking forward to you naming who this person is.

Ballyholland have not been training in any shape or form, at any grade, in either code, since 12th March.

Is that clear enough for you?

You are absolutely wrong there Wobbler. They have been training in Derryleckagh for a few weeks now, jumping the fence to get in. Some lad pops a knee or breaks an arm they are not covered by the GAA insurance never mind the transmission of the infection which can occur. I admire your strong defiance but I know what is going on, whether you choose to admit it or not.

Lads , so what if there is socially distanced training, any player looking an edge will have been doing it.The fixtures released look good considering the pandemic.For years I have been calling out for a condensed season, just maybe not as condensed as this.
A lot of guys locally are beginning to come round to my way of thinking on this.Championship is going to be real interesting this year and the guys have been on extensive running plans and I imagine in terms of fitness will be ahead of those up the mountains.Those ones win one Ulster and now they are 'Kings of Ulster' they won't reach the final this year.
Have been doing a little social distancing bbqs and all are in agreement they are not representative of us.
"US" ? You mean your bbq friends....just when you think we are getting through this corona virus, the old bullshite virus returns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 18, 2020, 09:13:30 AM
Does anyone know how the county board meeting went the other night? Are we going ahead with the format? I do not see any communications on our excellent up to date website.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 18, 2020, 11:54:24 PM
Going ahead as far as I know. If you could do a better job you should give them a hand!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 19, 2020, 12:52:58 PM
Thanks supersub, and as always your excellent positive tone. I bet you are great craic in a bar. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 20, 2020, 01:29:20 AM
You are some boy to be talking about a positive tone for all that. Haven't been in one since Mid March so can't really remember  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on June 20, 2020, 10:37:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 15, 2020, 10:29:42 AM
To be honest, compiling that fixture list would not be easy and it looks clear and transparent.
Down Gaa used to be a shambles at leagues, draws, cups etc but in the past numbers of years  it seems very professional.
Although we all want to win a championship or league title, we should all enjoy the few games we will have this year and chance of meet old friends and foes.
I for one wont be complaining about a long trip to the far end of the county on a Friday evening with a coffee and sandwich from a Petrol station.


Supersub Downjim and a positive tone don't go together.You see his post above - who is he trying to impress with that one !

So regulations are still in place here but why oh why are teams out training ?
Club committees or County Boards need to take action on this , no concern for the welfare of society and above the law .Well I hope to see Club Committes and County Boards suspend these people from our association. It is reckless and showing disregard to society and sending a very bad example to those young lads summoned to training.Covid19 is a serious issue , a life and death issue and we all must follow the guidelines and those that don't should be punished.
Sporting Organizations are meant to lead so it will be interesting to see how our local coaches and managers are dealt with on this one.
The GAA in Down now have been set a test , are they going to punish these coaches and managers ? The GAA can not speak about caring for society and doing their best if they tolerate this.
I know many friends who are frontline workers and are disgusted.
If hairdressers and other professions have to keep the rules surely The GAA can also.

And punish those managers and coaches who decide to call training during a pandemic and against the law.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on June 20, 2020, 10:44:30 PM
Quote from: yewtree on June 20, 2020, 10:37:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 15, 2020, 10:29:42 AM
To be honest, compiling that fixture list would not be easy and it looks clear and transparent.
Down Gaa used to be a shambles at leagues, draws, cups etc but in the past numbers of years  it seems very professional.
Although we all want to win a championship or league title, we should all enjoy the few games we will have this year and chance of meet old friends and foes.
I for one wont be complaining about a long trip to the far end of the county on a Friday evening with a coffee and sandwich from a Petrol station.


Supersub Downjim and a positive tone don't go together.You see his post above - who is he trying to impress with that one !

So regulations are still in place here but why oh why are teams out training ?
Club committees or County Boards need to take action on this , no concern for the welfare of society and above the law .Well I hope to see Club Committes and County Boards suspend these people from our association. It is reckless and showing disregard to society and sending a very bad example to those young lads summoned to training.Covid19 is a serious issue , a life and death issue and we all must follow the guidelines and those that don't should be punished.
Sporting Organizations are meant to lead so it will be interesting to see how our local coaches and managers are dealt with on this one.
The GAA in Down now have been set a test , are they going to punish these coaches and managers ? The GAA can not speak about caring for society and doing their best if they tolerate this.
I know many friends who are frontline workers and are disgusted.
If hairdressers and other professions have to keep the rules surely The GAA can also.

And punish those managers and coaches who decide to call training during a pandemic and against the law.

Might have to suspend themselves
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 21, 2020, 08:56:34 PM
Quote from: Downtothewire on June 20, 2020, 10:44:30 PM
Quote from: yewtree on June 20, 2020, 10:37:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 15, 2020, 10:29:42 AM
To be honest, compiling that fixture list would not be easy and it looks clear and transparent.
Down Gaa used to be a shambles at leagues, draws, cups etc but in the past numbers of years  it seems very professional.
Although we all want to win a championship or league title, we should all enjoy the few games we will have this year and chance of meet old friends and foes.
I for one wont be complaining about a long trip to the far end of the county on a Friday evening with a coffee and sandwich from a Petrol station.


Supersub Downjim and a positive tone don't go together.You see his post above - who is he trying to impress with that one !

So regulations are still in place here but why oh why are teams out training ?
Club committees or County Boards need to take action on this , no concern for the welfare of society and above the law .Well I hope to see Club Committes and County Boards suspend these people from our association. It is reckless and showing disregard to society and sending a very bad example to those young lads summoned to training.Covid19 is a serious issue , a life and death issue and we all must follow the guidelines and those that don't should be punished.
Sporting Organizations are meant to lead so it will be interesting to see how our local coaches and managers are dealt with on this one.
The GAA in Down now have been set a test , are they going to punish these coaches and managers ? The GAA can not speak about caring for society and doing their best if they tolerate this.
I know many friends who are frontline workers and are disgusted.
If hairdressers and other professions have to keep the rules surely The GAA can also.

And punish those managers and coaches who decide to call training during a pandemic and against the law.

Might have to suspend themselves
Correct in that as I believe our County Senior Footballers were out training yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on June 22, 2020, 10:02:08 PM
Sounds like as per usual you have absolutely no idea what you're rambling on about yewtree
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 22, 2020, 10:43:16 PM
Can you share these photos and videos that are circulating??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 22, 2020, 11:12:08 PM
 Yes Spewtree,spew the beans
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 23, 2020, 09:43:35 PM
Pis-up and brewery come too mind waiting on this Championship draw 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 23, 2020, 10:14:00 PM
Tough draw for us
What a mess they made of that
Posting out the draw before the video went online
Jesus what was that about
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 23, 2020, 10:19:00 PM
County board couldn't have organised a better first round draw if they tried
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 23, 2020, 10:42:12 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 23, 2020, 10:14:00 PM
Tough draw for us
What a mess they made of that
Posting out the draw before the video went online
Jesus what was that about
Smurfy,where did they post it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 23, 2020, 10:54:17 PM
CPN vs Burren
Kilcoo vs Mayobridge
Ballyholland vs Darraghcross
Glenn vs Bryansford
Carryduff vs Clonduff
Rostrevor vs RGU
Longstone vs Loughinisland
Castlewellan vs Bredagh

An Riocht vs Teconnaught
Annaclone vs Bright
Leitrim vs Saval
Atticall vs Shamrocks
Dromara vs St Johns
Bosco vs Tullylish
Saul vs Ballymartin
Drumgath va Clann na Banna

St Paul's vs Mitchell's
Glassdrumman vs St Michaels
Finn vs Ardglass
Dundrum vs East Belfast
Aghaderg vs Drumaness
Kilclief BYE
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 24, 2020, 08:58:08 AM
There were some really good draws last night but Down GAA tell everyone the draw is live at 9pm then post a video a good hour after this. It just looks so amateur and there is no reason someone could have recorded that with their phone and done a live feed on Facebook.
I am sure out of the members of the PR team that someone should have recognized this and realized that here was an opportunity to capture GAA folk for an hour or so. But at least the top 4 balls were cold and these two fixtures should get the coffers rolling again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 24, 2020, 09:09:55 AM
Without fail, the county board are accused on here every year of either a) keeping the big guns apart to get a more lucrative latter stages, or b) drawing the big guns together for a lucrative early round gate.

Which one is it lads? It can't be both. Which f**king one is it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 24, 2020, 09:14:36 AM
Quote from: downjim on June 24, 2020, 08:58:08 AM
There were some really good draws last night but Down GAA tell everyone the draw is live at 9pm then post a video a good hour after this. It just looks so amateur and there is no reason someone could have recorded that with their phone and done a live feed on Facebook.
I am sure out of the members of the PR team that someone should have recognized this and realized that here was an opportunity to capture GAA folk for an hour or so. But at least the top 4 balls were cold and these two fixtures should get the coffers rolling again.

It was laughable the Facebook said that they couldn't meet indoor when the executive announced Monday that 6 people from different households could meet indoors, and there was no social distancing during the draw anyways  ??? But anyways season starts from today, full contact training allowed and matches in 5 weeks, good to have the pitches open for a kick about again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 24, 2020, 09:28:51 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 24, 2020, 09:09:55 AM
Without fail, the county board are accused on here every year of either a) keeping the big guns apart to get a more lucrative latter stages, or b) drawing the big guns together for a lucrative early round gate.

Which one is it lads? It can't be both. Which f**king one is it?

Alright Wobbler calm done will you, that was tongue in cheek but the point I was alluding to was the draw not being live. Opportunity was missed. 9pm on a Tuesday with nothing else on. A perfect chance to capture an audience.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 24, 2020, 09:39:40 AM
An opportunity for what exactly? To prolong a draw unnecessarily telling us news we already know?

Maybe it's just me is more interested in the outcome, than the actual process, Downjim.


The county board officials are neither actors nor performers. They don't put on a show and with the greatest respect to them (for it's true even at the highest rung of county GAA draws) they look stiff and worried during live draws.

You can talk about transparency, and you do have a point. But there'll be talk of heated balls all the way from Moygannon to Grinan today. Mainly because like in actual GAA matches, everyone seems to think it's a f**king conspiracy against them unless things pan out exactly as they want.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 24, 2020, 10:22:25 AM
Opportunity for a bit of PR, to put our county out there. A lot of people were waiting to watch the draw and I believe that is were the confusion came from. When they are waiting on their phones/laptop for an hour with nothing happening they get confused and then things are not clear people speculate. Its simple things like this that could be tidied up. 
I am looking forward to the draws, the back door will give teams another chance and probably the top 4 teams in the county are going to. It will give us all something to look forward to after a boring few months.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on June 24, 2020, 11:10:16 AM
What a shambles last night was! Such a bad look for our CB. In the lashing rain.

Anyone able to post the photo of the Down u17/u19s training in Rosstrevor last week? Obviously no adherence to social distancing with 30-40 young lads on the 1 pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 24, 2020, 11:47:56 AM
Why would you want to see a photo of u17s training you weirdo?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on June 24, 2020, 11:57:05 AM
Hilarious downjim... ::)

Do you think they should be training in such large numbers? Against medical advice?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on June 24, 2020, 01:10:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 24, 2020, 09:39:40 AM
An opportunity for what exactly? To prolong a draw unnecessarily telling us news we already know?

Maybe it's just me is more interested in the outcome, than the actual process, Downjim.


The county board officials are neither actors nor performers. They don't put on a show and with the greatest respect to them (for it's true even at the highest rung of county GAA draws) they look stiff and worried during live draws.

You can talk about transparency, and you do have a point. But there'll be talk of heated balls all the way from Moygannon to Grinan today. Mainly because like in actual GAA matches, everyone seems to think it's a f**king conspiracy against them unless things pan out exactly as they want.
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Don't think there'll be any talk of conspiracy on that draw...Burren and Point will have wanted that draw and will be chomping at the bit I'd imagine. No chat of conspiracy when it 'panned out' exactly as they wanted against the harps last year for all that...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on June 24, 2020, 01:34:28 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on June 24, 2020, 11:57:05 AM
Hilarious downjim... ::)

Do you think they should be training in such large numbers? Against medical advice?

You made an account to ask for photos of Down teams running in a forest park last week. You need to get a life and delete your account.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on June 24, 2020, 04:00:59 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 24, 2020, 01:34:28 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on June 24, 2020, 11:57:05 AM
Hilarious downjim... ::)

Do you think they should be training in such large numbers? Against medical advice?

You made an account to ask for photos of Down teams running in a forest park last week. You need to get a life and delete your account.


Great article yesterday by Cahair O'Kane with headline, Why is county game being allowed to hold clubs to ransom ?

Sounds like lies there from DownJim as there was the small GAA pitch in Kilbroney being used with vast numbers .

It was against not only Medical Advice , it was against the GAA rules. It was contrary to what the GAA response to Covid19 is.Are these coaches above the GAA rules?Covid19 is a life and death issue.

Maybe Downjim knows more about this ? Was he not just yesterday talking about Covid19 Supervisor role ?

They are effectively playing with the minds of young players and parents who are afraid to speak out and say it was wrong or their chance at inter county football might be gone.

Are the clubs not going to stand up (for their players and families on that squad ) to this and ensure the County Board make a stand against these coaches? Some of the media who have these coaches on speed dial are they going to be complicit in this ?

This is a serious scandal for Down Co Board, do these coaches have some sort of magic spell or hold over Down GAA ?I sense they are a group of coaches under pressure but the games are not on until October. Would the same people flaunt the roles in their respective workplaces ? If they did there would be consequences. Now let's see what Down Co Board does.They have brought the GAA into disrepute.

This GAA gathering was wrong and a horrible indictment against the responsible GAA people in Down, those that had family die , those that work on the front line, those that couldn't be in their grandparents houses,couldn't meet friends and did what society expects.

The Down Co Board can't let their name be ruined by these people , Down GAA board have to act.

Clubs of these players need to be responsible .Local journalists need to be responsible and call this out.

On the playing front a great draw last night.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 24, 2020, 08:12:05 PM
5times5times you will soon learn that you are not allowed to mention teams training when they shouldn't be on here. Some lads get very tetchy and it is too close to home for some but they continue to deny it ever happened in their club. Downjim, it wasn't a forest park run, they were collectively training on one of the pitches. But sure some of these coaching gurus are above the law and have always done what they want anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 24, 2020, 10:55:52 PM
Just as a matter of interest, what would these people (who are so vexed at these training actions) like to be done about it? I think it's bad work myself, but really what can be done?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on June 24, 2020, 11:36:50 PM
I have just seen the photo on twitter.

Looks to be the soccer field in kilbroney. Easily 30+ lads there.. And not spread out across the field. So blasé it seems. But sure because they're coached by wee James we'll turn a blind eye??

Why are these teams above our clubs??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 29, 2020, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 24, 2020, 11:47:56 AM
Why would you want to see a photo of u17s training you weirdo?
Cut out that type of innuendo, no need for that DownJim.He is only trying to put this point
across on the issue
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on June 30, 2020, 11:53:24 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 29, 2020, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 24, 2020, 11:47:56 AM
Why would you want to see a photo of u17s training you weirdo?
Cut out that type of innuendo, no need for that DownJim.He is only trying to put this point
across on the issue
I am concerned that the above innuendo could be libellous; the moderators should take action
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on July 01, 2020, 11:38:05 AM
Quote from: befair on June 30, 2020, 11:53:24 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 29, 2020, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 24, 2020, 11:47:56 AM
Why would you want to see a photo of u17s training you weirdo?
Cut out that type of innuendo, no need for that DownJim.He is only trying to put this point
across on the issue
I am concerned that the above innuendo could be libellous; the moderators should take action

I see he still hasnt addressed my latest point either..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 01, 2020, 01:42:04 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 01, 2020, 11:38:05 AM
Quote from: befair on June 30, 2020, 11:53:24 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 29, 2020, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 24, 2020, 11:47:56 AM
Why would you want to see a photo of u17s training you weirdo?
Cut out that type of innuendo, no need for that DownJim.He is only trying to put this point
across on the issue
I am concerned that the above innuendo could be libellous; the moderators should take action

I see he still hasnt addressed my latest point either..

Who is your club 5times?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on July 01, 2020, 05:55:25 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 01, 2020, 01:42:04 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 01, 2020, 11:38:05 AM
Quote from: befair on June 30, 2020, 11:53:24 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 29, 2020, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 24, 2020, 11:47:56 AM
Why would you want to see a photo of u17s training you weirdo?
Cut out that type of innuendo, no need for that DownJim.He is only trying to put this point
across on the issue
I am concerned that the above innuendo could be libellous; the moderators should take action

I see he still hasnt addressed my latest point either..

Who is your club 5times?

The kingpins of Down & Ulster #utm... Why might i ask??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 02, 2020, 09:21:01 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 01, 2020, 05:55:25 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 01, 2020, 01:42:04 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 01, 2020, 11:38:05 AM
Quote from: befair on June 30, 2020, 11:53:24 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 29, 2020, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 24, 2020, 11:47:56 AM
Why would you want to see a photo of u17s training you weirdo?
Cut out that type of innuendo, no need for that DownJim.He is only trying to put this point
across on the issue

I am concerned that the above innuendo could be libellous; the moderators should take action

I see he still hasnt addressed my latest point either..

Who is your club 5times?

The kingpins of Down & Ulster #utm... Why might i ask??

I thought you were complaing about club players training together but you were talking about County sorry.. Well done on last year bw=tw.

Back to football, Leagues and Championships are being brought forward, we were told last night at training.. League starts 2 weeks on Friday Really is a joke that we have time cut short to get ready, can do all the running you want but it doesn't replicate training

Looks like County Management are wanting more time with players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on July 03, 2020, 12:30:43 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 02, 2020, 09:21:01 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 01, 2020, 05:55:25 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 01, 2020, 01:42:04 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 01, 2020, 11:38:05 AM
Quote from: befair on June 30, 2020, 11:53:24 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 29, 2020, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 24, 2020, 11:47:56 AM
Why would you want to see a photo of u17s training you weirdo?
Cut out that type of innuendo, no need for that DownJim.He is only trying to put this point
across on the issue

I am concerned that the above innuendo could be libellous; the moderators should take action

I see he still hasnt addressed my latest point either..

Who is your club 5times?

The kingpins of Down & Ulster #utm... Why might i ask??

I thought you were complaing about club players training together but you were talking about County sorry.. Well done on last year bw=tw.

Back to football, Leagues and Championships are being brought forward, we were told last night at training.. League starts 2 weeks on Friday Really is a joke that we have time cut short to get ready, can do all the running you want but it doesn't replicate training

Looks like County Management are wanting more time with players



It doesn't matter when the leagues start or end. Every county manager gets their players on 14th September.

"You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't ..." ... please all the people all of the time"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 03, 2020, 12:40:44 AM
Quote from: True Blue on July 03, 2020, 12:30:43 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 02, 2020, 09:21:01 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 01, 2020, 05:55:25 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 01, 2020, 01:42:04 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 01, 2020, 11:38:05 AM
Quote from: befair on June 30, 2020, 11:53:24 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 29, 2020, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: downjim on June 24, 2020, 11:47:56 AM
Why would you want to see a photo of u17s training you weirdo?
Cut out that type of innuendo, no need for that DownJim.He is only trying to put this point
across on the issue

I am concerned that the above innuendo could be libellous; the moderators should take action

I see he still hasnt addressed my latest point either..

Who is your club 5times?

The kingpins of Down & Ulster #utm... Why might i ask??

I thought you were complaing about club players training together but you were talking about County sorry.. Well done on last year bw=tw.

Back to football, Leagues and Championships are being brought forward, we were told last night at training.. League starts 2 weeks on Friday Really is a joke that we have time cut short to get ready, can do all the running you want but it doesn't replicate training

Looks like County Management are wanting more time with players



It doesn't matter when the leagues start or end. Every county manager gets their players on 14th September.

"You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't ..." ... please all the people all of the time"
What a thought provoking post after nearly two years away from the Board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 03, 2020, 08:43:22 AM
I don't understand the mindset Mourne Red.

The league this year is a series of glorified friendlies and you're giving off because they've been brought forward, thereby limiting the need for your club to organise friendlies.

Meanwhile the championship earns a week of two's breathing space which means a penalty shoot out might be avoidable.

County board can't win if you reckon this is an issue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 03, 2020, 10:17:35 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 03, 2020, 08:43:22 AM
I don't understand the mindset Mourne Red.

The league this year is a series of glorified friendlies and you're giving off because they've been brought forward, thereby limiting the need for your club to organise friendlies.

Meanwhile the championship earns a week of two's breathing space which means a penalty shoot out might be avoidable.

County board can't win if you reckon this is an issue.

Injuries - Player Welfar etc... as I said in my original post, yes we've all been out running doing our own stuff but it doesn't replicate what you do in training, less than 3 weeks to train up to league pace then 3 weeks to get into Championship pace.

This doesn't allow management to get players into right condition and I wouldn't be surprised if there's an increase in injuries, we've had 2 so far from 2 sessions

And from what I've heard and I mentioned in my post They've also brought championship forward thewobbler so there's no breathing space

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 03, 2020, 11:09:52 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 03, 2020, 10:17:35 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 03, 2020, 08:43:22 AM
I don't understand the mindset Mourne Red.

The league this year is a series of glorified friendlies and you're giving off because they've been brought forward, thereby limiting the need for your club to organise friendlies.

Meanwhile the championship earns a week of two's breathing space which means a penalty shoot out might be avoidable.

County board can't win if you reckon this is an issue.

Injuries - Player Welfar etc... as I said in my original post, yes we've all been out running doing our own stuff but it doesn't replicate what you do in training, less than 3 weeks to train up to league pace then 3 weeks to get into Championship pace.

This doesn't allow management to get players into right condition and I wouldn't be surprised if there's an increase in injuries, we've had 2 so far from 2 sessions

And from what I've heard and I mentioned in my post They've also brought championship forward thewobbler so there's no breathing space

Honestly I think you're a wee bit caught up in the death-by-training myth espoused by managers. If professional footballers can return to competitive football within a fortnight of training, there is no reason on this earth why GAA players would need longer. Especially for a league with no promotion / relegation.

Regarding muscle injuries, these happen all the time in football. I'd think you're looking out for them now with some sort of cause and effect scenario being played out, when they literally happen all the time (and I've the physio bills to prove it). In my experience, the only training sessions which have a full availability of players starting and finishing the session are those in the week before championship round 1, and those in the week before a championship final.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 03, 2020, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 03, 2020, 11:09:52 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 03, 2020, 10:17:35 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 03, 2020, 08:43:22 AM
I don't understand the mindset Mourne Red.

The league this year is a series of glorified friendlies and you're giving off because they've been brought forward, thereby limiting the need for your club to organise friendlies.

Meanwhile the championship earns a week of two's breathing space which means a penalty shoot out might be avoidable.

County board can't win if you reckon this is an issue.

Injuries - Player Welfar etc... as I said in my original post, yes we've all been out running doing our own stuff but it doesn't replicate what you do in training, less than 3 weeks to train up to league pace then 3 weeks to get into Championship pace.

This doesn't allow management to get players into right condition and I wouldn't be surprised if there's an increase in injuries, we've had 2 so far from 2 sessions

And from what I've heard and I mentioned in my post They've also brought championship forward thewobbler so there's no breathing space

Honestly I think you're a wee bit caught up in the death-by-training myth espoused by managers. If professional footballers can return to competitive football within a fortnight of training, there is no reason on this earth why GAA players would need longer. Especially for a league with no promotion / relegation.

Regarding muscle injuries, these happen all the time in football. I'd think you're looking out for them now with some sort of cause and effect scenario being played out, when they literally happen all the time (and I've the physio bills to prove it). In my experience, the only training sessions which have a full availability of players starting and finishing the session are those in the week before championship round 1, and those in the week before a championship final.

Premier League had a month of training before going into matches.. They also don't have jobs to go to so can focus on recovery, can't speak for other clubs players but with us majority of us are still working. Premier League have also increased amount of substitutes allowed and introduced water breaks due to increased threat of injuries.

I know we won't agree but I just think it is a poor move by the county board - And yes their may not be promotion/relegation but still a League Trophy and of course a Championship title to play for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on July 03, 2020, 08:48:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 03, 2020, 11:09:52 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 03, 2020, 10:17:35 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 03, 2020, 08:43:22 AM
I don't understand the mindset Mourne Red.

The league this year is a series of glorified friendlies and you're giving off because they've been brought forward, thereby limiting the need for your club to organise friendlies.

Meanwhile the championship earns a week of two's breathing space which means a penalty shoot out might be avoidable.

County board can't win if you reckon this is an issue.

Injuries - Player Welfar etc... as I said in my original post, yes we've all been out running doing our own stuff but it doesn't replicate what you do in training, less than 3 weeks to train up to league pace then 3 weeks to get into Championship pace.

This doesn't allow management to get players into right condition and I wouldn't be surprised if there's an increase in injuries, we've had 2 so far from 2 sessions

And from what I've heard and I mentioned in my post They've also brought championship forward thewobbler so there's no breathing space

Honestly I think you're a wee bit caught up in the death-by-training myth espoused by managers. If professional footballers can return to competitive football within a fortnight of training, there is no reason on this earth why GAA players would need longer. Especially for a league with no promotion / relegation.

Regarding muscle injuries, these happen all the time in football. I'd think you're looking out for them now with some sort of cause and effect scenario being played out, when they literally happen all the time (and I've the physio bills to prove it). In my experience, the only training sessions which have a full availability of players starting and finishing the session are those in the week before championship round 1, and those in the week before a championship final.

Hopefully you won't get too many injuries in your challenge match tomorrow morning Wobbler, you don't need more physio bills especially as you aren't covered by GAA insurance to play the game. As club secretary I'm sure you know about this game? Just a short trip up the Dublin road but why the early start?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on July 04, 2020, 12:36:29 AM
Quote from: Lotto on July 03, 2020, 08:48:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 03, 2020, 11:09:52 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 03, 2020, 10:17:35 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 03, 2020, 08:43:22 AM
I don't understand the mindset Mourne Red.

The league this year is a series of glorified friendlies and you're giving off because they've been brought forward, thereby limiting the need for your club to organise friendlies.

Meanwhile the championship earns a week of two's breathing space which means a penalty shoot out might be avoidable.

County board can't win if you reckon this is an issue.

Injuries - Player Welfar etc... as I said in my original post, yes we've all been out running doing our own stuff but it doesn't replicate what you do in training, less than 3 weeks to train up to league pace then 3 weeks to get into Championship pace.

This doesn't allow management to get players into right condition and I wouldn't be surprised if there's an increase in injuries, we've had 2 so far from 2 sessions

And from what I've heard and I mentioned in my post They've also brought championship forward thewobbler so there's no breathing space

Honestly I think you're a wee bit caught up in the death-by-training myth espoused by managers. If professional footballers can return to competitive football within a fortnight of training, there is no reason on this earth why GAA players would need longer. Especially for a league with no promotion / relegation.

Regarding muscle injuries, these happen all the time in football. I'd think you're looking out for them now with some sort of cause and effect scenario being played out, when they literally happen all the time (and I've the physio bills to prove it). In my experience, the only training sessions which have a full availability of players starting and finishing the session are those in the week before championship round 1, and those in the week before a championship final.

Hopefully you won't get too many injuries in your challenge match tomorrow morning Wobbler, you don't need more physio bills especially as you aren't covered by GAA insurance to play the game. As club secretary I'm sure you know about this game? Just a short trip up the Dublin road but why the early start?
Just say what you want to say lotto. Share what you have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 04, 2020, 12:39:01 AM
Jesus lotto you have something against Ballyholland
U keep calling them out even though most clubs are at it
You can't argue with that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 04, 2020, 12:11:57 PM
Can someone clarify what 'league pace' and 'Championship pace' actually mean in a scenario where all teams are in exactly the same situation? Surely you would rather play matches than train.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on July 04, 2020, 01:43:05 PM
There is no league pace the league games are challenge games to get players up to pace playing matches so actually are a good idea to give teams a chance to blood different players and get lads the game time they need before going into a championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 05, 2020, 04:43:04 PM
Looks like I've finally earned myself my own personal troll.

Took quite a few years longer than expected to reach this milestone, but I'm glad to have finally made it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 06, 2020, 07:12:57 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 05, 2020, 04:43:04 PM
Looks like I've finally earned myself my own personal troll.

Took quite a few years longer than expected to reach this milestone, but I'm glad to have finally made it.
Probably a sign of respect to you thewobbler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on July 06, 2020, 07:18:54 PM
Nothing personal but just calling out the clubs who think they are above the law. The truth really does hurt some people.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 06, 2020, 10:19:56 PM
Quote from: Lotto on July 06, 2020, 07:18:54 PM
Nothing personal but just calling out the clubs who think they are above the law. The truth really does hurt some people.

And who is your holier than thou club lotto?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 07, 2020, 10:23:57 PM
Quote from: yewtree on July 07, 2020, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 06, 2020, 10:19:56 PM
Quote from: Lotto on July 06, 2020, 07:18:54 PM
Nothing personal but just calling out the clubs who think they are above the law. The truth really does hurt some people.

And who is your holier than thou club lotto?

The issue here is managers and clubs being above the rules and society.
They need to be called out.
Lunatics having 15 ,16 year olds out training in Kilbroney in June (against all regulations GAA and society ) when the games are not until October, it is either right or wrong. Our County Board and our clubs who don't call this out are wrong and weak.
It is not an issue of 'holier than thou' it was and is wrong.
Mourne Red were you aware of this ?
Do you think it was correct ?
If your club had a 15 ,16 year old there when restrictions were not lifted and he was one of over 30 in a small pitch in Kilbroney would you think it ok ?
Would you ask your club to ask at the county board what went on in Kilbroney that night ?
What adults called for that gathering ?
Then ask the County Board to give all details to Croke Park ,Newry ,Mourne and Down District Council Officers and take it from there.
The clubs and managers ethics during this pandemic need to be assessed.

Aware of County Underage teams training in Kilbroney? This I wasn't aware of until I seen it posted on this board, but from the people I've talked too they hadn't heard of this either - This is like Ewan McKenna claiming Tyrone, Kerry etc where all training only to be called out by 2 players on the Tyrone panel that he was talking 'Sh*te' and he then deleted his tweet.. If Kilbroney gate did happen then of course it was wrong and if I was one of the parents then I would report the county board but there has been no complaints made as far as I know.. have you reported it to your club yewtree? or go over the board and report it to Ulster council who would investigate it with no bias.

The 'Holier than Thou' comment was aimed at posters who are constantly attacking the same clubs/posters over and over without disclosing their own club. I'm from East Down so have no affiliation to Ballyholland, Rostrevor etc but if you are going to tought or mud-sling then have the balls to disclose your own club.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 09, 2020, 12:30:40 PM
Any truth Carlow will be getting a new manager. A Down man who has already been involved with them? That's what I am hearing. It would be a surprise if that wasn't the case. A good fit for both it seems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 10, 2020, 05:29:55 PM
Plenty of friendlies hastily arranged for this weekend I'd say...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on July 13, 2020, 08:43:44 PM
Are spectators allowed at the games this coming Friday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 14, 2020, 09:30:09 AM
According to Gaelic life player tested for COVID-19 from Attical.. Hopefully gets well soon, but have County Board or Croke Park set out guidelines on what happens to club if this happens? They have a fixture on Friday and if it's a player on senior panel do the rest of the panel need to self-isolate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on July 14, 2020, 10:07:33 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 14, 2020, 09:30:09 AM
According to Gaelic life player tested for COVID-19 from Attical.. Hopefully gets well soon, but have County Board or Croke Park set out guidelines on what happens to club if this happens? They have a fixture on Friday and if it's a player on senior panel do the rest of the panel need to self-isolate?

This is where the definition of close or casual contact comes into play.;

Close Contact                                                                Casual Contact
Will be Tested                                                                Passive Follow Up for 14 days
Will undergo active follow up from Public Health               Will be advised about their risk
Should be contacted every day                                        Should ring GP immediately if any symptoms develop
Telephone GP immediately if unwell
Don't leave home unless necessary
Avoid Travel (within or outside of Ireland)

GAA INVOLVEMENT – None until medical                         GAA INVOLVEMENT – As normal as long as symptom free
assessment and clearance to return





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on July 14, 2020, 02:30:05 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 14, 2020, 09:30:09 AM
According to Gaelic life player tested for COVID-19 from Attical.. Hopefully gets well soon, but have County Board or Croke Park set out guidelines on what happens to club if this happens? They have a fixture on Friday and if it's a player on senior panel do the rest of the panel need to self-isolate?


Quote from: yewtree on July 07, 2020, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 06, 2020, 10:19:56 PM
Quote from: Lotto on July 06, 2020, 07:18:54 PM
Nothing personal but just calling out the clubs who think they are above the law. The truth really does hurt some people.

And who is your holier than thou club lotto?

The issue here is managers and clubs being above the rules and society.
They need to be called out.
Lunatics having 15 ,16 year olds out training in Kilbroney in June (against all regulations GAA and society ) when the games are not until October, it is either right or wrong. Our County Board and our clubs who don't call this out are wrong and weak.
It is not an issue of 'holier than thou' it was and is wrong.
Mourne Red were you aware of this ?
Do you think it was correct ?
If your club had a 15 ,16 year old there when restrictions were not lifted and he was one of over 30 in a small pitch in Kilbroney would you think it ok ?
Would you ask your club to ask at the county board what went on in Kilbroney that night ?
What adults called for that gathering ?
Then ask the County Board to give all details to Croke Park ,Newry ,Mourne and Down District Council Officers and take it from there.
The clubs and managers ethics during this pandemic need to be assessed.

Mourne Red that is terrible news out of Attical. It is very worrying for all in that area and to the continuation of Gaelic matches and training.

Kilbroney gate has not been looked into at all and as usual certain people are above the rules and ethics of GAA .This irresponsible behaviour needs called out , these adults are bringing the game into disrepute.

To highlight this disregard and GAA position on County Team Gatherings and processes under Covid 19 our County mentors have called 15,16 year old lads to Kilbroney Park again this week for a training gathering less than 10 miles from Attical.

Can our County Board and clubs stand by and watch this ? The GAA needs to stop this and sanctions handed out.

These lunatics are making a mockery of everything and a disgrace - does Down GAA sit back and allow this ?

Let's all hope the news from Attical is not life threatening .


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Post by: thewobbler on July 14, 2020, 02:58:34 PM
Just me thinking out loud, but surely if there's one thing that might be safer than outdoor training 10 miles from a lightly infected rural community, is imaginary training 10 miles from a lightly infected rural community.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on July 14, 2020, 04:37:44 PM
Has anyone actually seen the photo from Kilbroney or is it all rumours so far? Bad news about player in Attical hopefully he recovers quickly, and it doesnt spread.

Gaelic Life also reporting Ryan McAleenan has stepped away from county football. Big blow for Tally that, he was very steady defender and Tally obviously liked him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on July 14, 2020, 04:59:39 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on July 14, 2020, 04:37:44 PM
Has anyone actually seen the photo from Kilbroney or is it all rumours so far? Bad news about player in Attical hopefully he recovers quickly, and it doesnt spread.

Gaelic Life also reporting Ryan McAleenan has stepped away from county football. Big blow for Tally that, he was very steady defender and Tally obviously liked him.

Was floating about on twitter last week. 30/40 lads, not inc mgt on the Kilbroney soccer field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 15, 2020, 10:45:42 AM
Will we be allowed to go to any games at the weekend?
Are clubs going to stop people from attending? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 15, 2020, 01:43:48 PM
As it turns out the Attical person who tested positive was away through work and just returned to the mourned as he was unwell. A parent of a player not a player. All family tested and all came back negative. Let's move on From Kilbroney Gate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on July 15, 2020, 02:19:03 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 15, 2020, 01:43:48 PM
As it turns out the Attical person who tested positive was away through work and just returned to the mourned as he was unwell. A parent of a player not a player. All family tested and all came back negative. Let's move on From Kilbroney Gate.

Why? Especially when they so flagrantly broke the rules? Is it cause they're run by Wee James? Or a spineless CB?
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Post by: Last Caress on July 15, 2020, 02:32:07 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 15, 2020, 10:45:42 AM
Will we be allowed to go to any games at the weekend?
Are clubs going to stop people from attending?
Its not looking likely Downjim.
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2020/07/15/news/gaa-await-covid-19-test-from-second-ulster-club-after-atticall-confirm-shutdown-2005706/
Its been rumoured that its a second club from Down, lets hope its a negative result for the individual.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 15, 2020, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on July 15, 2020, 02:32:07 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 15, 2020, 10:45:42 AM
Will we be allowed to go to any games at the weekend?
Are clubs going to stop people from attending?
Its not looking likely Downjim.
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2020/07/15/news/gaa-await-covid-19-test-from-second-ulster-club-after-atticall-confirm-shutdown-2005706/
Its been rumoured that its a second club from Down, lets hope its a negative result for the individual.

If the 2nd case is in fact in our County, does put worries of the league/Championship being played out in doubt - Out of curiosity can those men involved in their Clubs committee answer me this, what happens if a club doesn't fulfill a fixture but cites worries over Coronavirus as a reason is it still the same punishment for not fulfilling a fixture in previous years? i.e a fine and points deduction for the following season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 15, 2020, 03:04:29 PM
Did Kilbroney gate happen? Where is the proof? That's why move on
Attical dealt with it and now it's sorted all within a few days. That's exactly what GAA clubs need to do. That was sorted with little or no fuss great stuff
Now a lot of people like to make a big deal of it.
Attical man tested positive. Tracked and traced all close contacts. Tested them. All results negative
If anything it shows how safe it is
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 15, 2020, 03:18:41 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 15, 2020, 02:38:04 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on July 15, 2020, 02:32:07 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 15, 2020, 10:45:42 AM
Will we be allowed to go to any games at the weekend?
Are clubs going to stop people from attending?
Its not looking likely Downjim.
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2020/07/15/news/gaa-await-covid-19-test-from-second-ulster-club-after-atticall-confirm-shutdown-2005706/
Its been rumoured that its a second club from Down, lets hope its a negative result for the individual.

If the 2nd case is in fact in our County, does put worries of the league/Championship being played out in doubt - Out of curiosity can those men involved in their Clubs committee answer me this, what happens if a club doesn't fulfill a fixture but cites worries over Coronavirus as a reason is it still the same punishment for not fulfilling a fixture in previous years? i.e a fine and points deduction for the following season


I doubt sincerely that the subject of fines or points deductions has even been discussed. It's just not that sort of year.

I've had absolutely no steer this, but I would expect the guiding principle for the season is that if a team cannot field, they concede, and we move on. For example, if an active senior player tests positive, then as all members or that team and back room would need tested before a refixture date could be considered. There isn't the available time windows to allow such a course to be fulfilled.

The problem everyone faces here is that if this were to happen to a championship finalist or semi finalist, it would likely become an exceptionally emotive and divisive issue.

But I can't wait to learn what the alternatives would be from those who would get so emotional about it.

If you get any football at all this season, you are lucky. Stop keeping score. That's a message needs to register around the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 15, 2020, 03:37:03 PM
Will Loughinsland have gates closed tomorrow for spectators?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 15, 2020, 11:09:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 15, 2020, 03:37:03 PM
Will Loughinsland have gates closed tomorrow for spectators?

Downjim - CPN just tweeted out the following

" Current GAA COVID-19 guidance does not allow spectators to attend Fri nights ACFL DIV 1 R.1 match v @bryansfordgaa therefore we ask that all loyal supporters follow the match on twitter/FB where possible."

Disappointing supporters can't get out to games, hopefully guidelines change soon so we can get out and enjoy some matches. If the boys covering the Championships games last year could get out and cover a game each week would be great fix for those missing the GAA.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on July 16, 2020, 01:38:56 PM
Good news from our Assembly, we can now go to the pub and drink to 2.00am with 1 hour drinking up time to really integrate. But don't go to a football field to spectate where there is 500 meters to social distance in the open air where it is accepted that the virus is unlikely to spread. What about the players who are coming in close contact during the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 16, 2020, 01:42:05 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on July 16, 2020, 01:38:56 PM
Good news from our Assembly, we can now go to the pub and drink to 2.00am with 1 hour drinking up time to really integrate. But don't go to a football field to spectate where there is 500 meters to social distance in the open air where it is accepted that the virus is unlikely to spread. What about the players who are coming in close contact during the game.

If you'd read past the headlines you'd know that the first part of your rant isn't currently relevant.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on July 16, 2020, 03:08:45 PM
Understand, but they may well be in before we are allowed to spectate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 16, 2020, 04:06:33 PM
Go on father, go on. Lock the gates to God's house. Sure they were locked at the time of the Famine too. No priest died the time of the Famine: only poor people like us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on July 17, 2020, 10:10:35 PM
Would anyone at the Glenn and Saul game tonight be able to confirm if Shay McCartan togged out. Seen Maurice McKey put up photos on fb and I'm near sure Shay was #10
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Post by: Hedgehunter on July 17, 2020, 10:19:23 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on July 17, 2020, 10:10:35 PM
Would anyone at the Glenn and Saul game tonight be able to confirm if Shay McCartan togged out. Seen Maurice McKey put up photos on fb and I'm near sure Shay was #10

Correct and sent a Saul player to the shop for groceries while bagging his goal.. Video on the Glenn FB.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on July 17, 2020, 10:38:39 PM
Class goal. Always had an eye for a goal. I suppose he is free to do as he wishes whilst not having a soccer club contract. Would be great if he stuck around for a year or so but i suppose there is still very good money in the lower english leagues
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 17, 2020, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on July 17, 2020, 10:38:39 PM
Class goal. Always had an eye for a goal. I suppose he is free to do as he wishes whilst not having a soccer club contract. Would be great if he stuck around for a year or so but i suppose there is still very good money in the lower english leagues

Who knows what the future holds...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 18, 2020, 09:54:01 PM
Glasdrumman had 4 players sent off in the First half last night, mad!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 22, 2020, 10:47:36 PM
Longstone player has tested positive for COVID-19, all matches and training cancelled until next Monday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 23, 2020, 09:34:03 AM
Best wishes to the Stone player. I think the GAA has some big calls in next few weeks. If clubs continue to shut down then it will turn into a farce. The risks at GAA clubs are crazy and its very hard for volunteers to enforce rules correctly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 23, 2020, 10:41:27 AM
Downjim the reason why every team in every club has covid officers is to allow everyone to act quickly.

The GAA already made the big call there. It's play on while you can, and don't be a silly bugger when you cannot.

What I'm not sure about is, when championship comes around and a team cannot fulfil: a) postponement, b) walkover or c) reintroduce a loser from the previous round.

I'm hoping it's not a).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on July 23, 2020, 11:26:06 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 23, 2020, 10:41:27 AM
Downjim the reason why every team in every club has covid officers is to allow everyone to act quickly.

The GAA already made the big call there. It's play on while you can, and don't be a silly bugger when you cannot.

What I'm not sure about is, when championship comes around and a team cannot fulfil: a) postponement, b) walkover or c) reintroduce a loser from the previous round.

I'm hoping it's not a).

I'd say walk-over - time is of the essence.  Only problem is if some club goes down the legal/court route.  That would f**k everything up.

I think GAA HQ would need to make statement shortly clarifying this, or they might leave it up to each county board.

Only problem with this is if some club player tests positive, there's a good chance the club will keep quiet about it and play on regardless.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 23, 2020, 01:41:56 PM
Killeavy closed too, I cannot see stormont opening up now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on July 23, 2020, 05:14:00 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 23, 2020, 11:26:06 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 23, 2020, 10:41:27 AM
Downjim the reason why every team in every club has covid officers is to allow everyone to act quickly.

The GAA already made the big call there. It's play on while you can, and don't be a silly bugger when you cannot.

What I'm not sure about is, when championship comes around and a team cannot fulfil: a) postponement, b) walkover or c) reintroduce a loser from the previous round.

I'm hoping it's not a).

I'd say walk-over - time is of the essence.  Only problem is if some club goes down the legal/court route.  That would f**k everything up.

I think GAA HQ would need to make statement shortly clarifying this, or they might leave it up to each county board.

Only problem with this is if some club player tests positive, there's a good chance the club will keep quiet about it and play on regardless.
This has implications which could lead to someone losing their life,  if a club does something like that then the suspensions and punishment must be massive. 
I hope no one is that stupid
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on July 23, 2020, 05:23:29 PM
 The Stone and now the 'Town.Getting very local now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 23, 2020, 05:50:02 PM
I get Longstone but not the Town? If clubs are going to suspend activity in that way then it's time we stopped for the year and quit wasting everyone's time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on July 23, 2020, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on July 23, 2020, 05:14:00 PM
Quote from: marty34 on July 23, 2020, 11:26:06 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 23, 2020, 10:41:27 AM
Downjim the reason why every team in every club has covid officers is to allow everyone to act quickly.

The GAA already made the big call there. It's play on while you can, and don't be a silly bugger when you cannot.

What I'm not sure about is, when championship comes around and a team cannot fulfil: a) postponement, b) walkover or c) reintroduce a loser from the previous round.

I'm hoping it's not a).

I'd say walk-over - time is of the essence.  Only problem is if some club goes down the legal/court route.  That would f**k everything up.

I think GAA HQ would need to make statement shortly clarifying this, or they might leave it up to each county board.

Only problem with this is if some club player tests positive, there's a good chance the club will keep quiet about it and play on regardless.
This has implications which could lead to someone losing their life,  if a club does something like that then the suspensions and punishment must be massive. 
I hope no one is that stupid

From tomorrow you can attend outdoor sporting events...if they can be catered for from a socially distanced point of views. Up to clubs now!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 23, 2020, 08:31:25 PM
What's the Town? Have they got one also? Not good
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 24, 2020, 12:25:53 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 23, 2020, 08:31:25 PM
What's the Town? Have they got one also? Not good

Put up a status that they had played The Stone and Killeavy two clubs who had positive tests so they have suspended activity as precaution
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 24, 2020, 07:11:43 AM
Ah come on. If teams start doing that then what hope will we have of living with this? Is that a genuine reason to stop? Genuine question.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 24, 2020, 08:21:20 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 24, 2020, 07:11:43 AM
Ah come on. If teams start doing that then what hope will we have of living with this? Is that a genuine reason to stop? Genuine question.

Yes, it's an excellent reason to stop, otherwise if any of their players picked it up they'll probably pass it on to whoever they are marking in the next game and the cycle continues!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on July 24, 2020, 02:53:54 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 24, 2020, 08:21:20 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 24, 2020, 07:11:43 AM
Ah come on. If teams start doing that then what hope will we have of living with this? Is that a genuine reason to stop? Genuine question.

Yes, it's an excellent reason to stop, otherwise if any of their players picked it up they'll probably pass it on to whoever they are marking in the next game and the cycle continues!

Remember it could also have worked the other way with a Castlewellan member / members being carriers and transferring to the other 2 named clubs (or vice versa)...no one knows thats the problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 24, 2020, 10:08:20 PM
County Board, Clubs and Destination Newry have to be commended tonight, out injured so wasn't at my own clubs game but felt like it was Soccer Saturday with the scores coming in all the time.. First class coverage!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 25, 2020, 07:40:14 AM
https://twitter.com/JeromeQuinn/status/1286765980010586112?s=09
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 27, 2020, 08:32:16 PM
Dundrum now affected.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on July 28, 2020, 03:28:33 PM
I see there needed to be an air ambulance for one of the portaferry games at the weekend.

QuoteUpdate on Kevin smyth. The big man has been kept in hospital and hoping to have surgery tomorrowCrossed fingers so keep him in your thoughts.  Senior hurlers are holding a raffle to try and help Kevin and family out while he is out of work. Painting by Emma Finnegan

(From portaferry twitter)

Must have been bad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 28, 2020, 07:15:26 PM
Quote from: wobbller on July 27, 2020, 08:32:16 PM
Dundrum now affected.

Unfortunately 4 within our club infected now per the Facebook post the club put out.. Hopefully it's a speedy recovery for them and we can get back out on the field again soon.

Hopefully teams played in the past few weeks all return negative too
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Post by: wobbller on July 28, 2020, 09:04:23 PM
 Hope everyone will be ok.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on July 29, 2020, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 28, 2020, 03:28:33 PM
I see there needed to be an air ambulance for one of the portaferry games at the weekend.

QuoteUpdate on Kevin smyth. The big man has been kept in hospital and hoping to have surgery tomorrowCrossed fingers so keep him in your thoughts.  Senior hurlers are holding a raffle to try and help Kevin and family out while he is out of work. Painting by Emma Finnegan

(From portaferry twitter)

Must have been bad.

Bad alright. Reports are that he went up to catch a ball and twisted his foot on landing so badly that the foot was allegedly pointing in the opposite direction. That's probably an exaggeration but not good nonetheless
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 30, 2020, 03:28:35 PM
Castlewellan ladies coach tested positive and was out in Mullhollands on Saturday night.. Think it's time to drive home "Stay Away if you want to play". Amount of young ones out at the weekends in the pubs then going to training during the week putting teammates at risk is selfish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 30, 2020, 03:40:08 PM
That is very unfair on the person who got it, I hope he is ok. You are allowed to socialize, but I cannot see the GAA season finishing with all this going on. It is making people feel very uneasy. At the end of the day it is only a game of football or hurling. Is it worth all this? That twice Castlwellan have  had to close, that is an awful lot of pressure on their committee and volunteers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 30, 2020, 03:50:41 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 30, 2020, 03:40:08 PM
That is very unfair on the person who got it, I hope he is ok. You are allowed to socialize, but I cannot see the GAA season finishing with all this going on. It is making people feel very uneasy. At the end of the day it is only a game of football or hurling. Is it worth all this? That twice Castlwellan have  had to close, that is an awful lot of pressure on their committee and volunteers.

I get what you're saying at me being a bit unfair, but if they had symptoms at the time you are supposed to self-isolate not socialise.. Just with the time it takes to have symptoms, book a test and get your results back the probably would have had symptoms at the weekend.

I think it'll be a domino effect once one club pulls out of league/championship for the year other clubs will follow, just a case of who blinks first.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on July 30, 2020, 03:57:25 PM
I think you are right and i do not think that clubs would be overly worried about no action. There is too much riding on this unfortunately.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on July 30, 2020, 07:01:48 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 30, 2020, 03:50:41 PM
Quote from: downjim on July 30, 2020, 03:40:08 PM
That is very unfair on the person who got it, I hope he is ok. You are allowed to socialize, but I cannot see the GAA season finishing with all this going on. It is making people feel very uneasy. At the end of the day it is only a game of football or hurling. Is it worth all this? That twice Castlwellan have  had to close, that is an awful lot of pressure on their committee and volunteers.

I get what you're saying at me being a bit unfair, but if they had symptoms at the time you are supposed to self-isolate not socialise.. Just with the time it takes to have symptoms, book a test and get your results back the probably would have had symptoms at the weekend.

I think it'll be a domino effect once one club pulls out of league/championship for the year other clubs will follow, just a case of who blinks first.
castlewellan have now fallen to the virus.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 01, 2020, 03:23:11 AM
Was at the CPN/Rostrevor game; a draw at half-time, then Rostrevor for some reason substituted half their defenders, and CPN dominated from then on.
Have to mention the CPN goalie, who operated very effectively as a sweeper in front of the Rostrevor full-forward line, preventing any long balls coming in. His kick-outs were also excellent; the county should definitely be looking at him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 05, 2020, 02:04:31 PM
Took a wee hiatus from the board there but some things don't change.

No real discussions on the football so far this year? Any team think standing out in any division?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on August 05, 2020, 02:59:25 PM
See Wee James in the irish news today giving off about other counties breading training rules....

Do the rules not apply to him? When 1 of his teams was photographed in Kilbroney weeks ago???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 05, 2020, 04:39:11 PM
with covid 19 rife in areas around Newcastle does anyone know if county board has a contingency plan if an area goes into lockdown. A few people on social media crying out for newcastle/castlewellan areas to go into lockdown. If that happens you could be talking 6 clubs!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 05, 2020, 05:28:59 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on August 05, 2020, 02:59:25 PM
See Wee James in the irish news today giving off about other counties breading training rules....

Do the rules not apply to him? When 1 of his teams was photographed in Kilbroney weeks ago???

Quotes must have been from the Tomas O'Se podcast
He said he knows Down definitely weren't breaking any rules on it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on August 05, 2020, 05:41:01 PM
He must only have been talking about senior squads then  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 06, 2020, 09:51:26 PM
Let the government figure out the policy lads, they've got more expertise than listening to Cynthia down the road.

Any predictions for Championship this year: I'll go
Warrenpoint
Leitrim
Drumaness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 10, 2020, 08:38:52 AM
what clubs in Down are currently in lockdown due to Corona Virus outbreaks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on August 10, 2020, 09:37:20 AM
Clubs don't close down due to Covid.  The PHA make the call on what is deemed a close and a casual contact. Individuals are isolated rather than whole clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 10, 2020, 09:41:06 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on August 10, 2020, 09:37:20 AM
Clubs don't close down due to Covid.  The PHA make the call on what is deemed a close and a casual contact. Individuals are isolated rather than whole clubs.

Castlewellan definitely did recently.....

https://www.facebook.com/castlewellan.gac/photos/a.969882639751693/4256948834378374/ (https://www.facebook.com/castlewellan.gac/photos/a.969882639751693/4256948834378374/)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 10, 2020, 09:45:07 AM
St John's have stopped their children from playing gaelic games due to the pandemic, the only club in the county to make this decision! It remains to be seen if they have made the right decision but I am sure there are a lot of unhappy parents in that area who are seeing their neighbouring parishes play gaelic games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on August 10, 2020, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 10, 2020, 09:41:06 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on August 10, 2020, 09:37:20 AM
Clubs don't close down due to Covid.  The PHA make the call on what is deemed a close and a casual contact. Individuals are isolated rather than whole clubs.

The club made that decision but the club was not forced to close Down.

Castlewellan definitely did recently.....

https://www.facebook.com/castlewellan.gac/photos/a.969882639751693/4256948834378374/ (https://www.facebook.com/castlewellan.gac/photos/a.969882639751693/4256948834378374/)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 14, 2020, 11:25:20 PM
Hard football to watch. Kilcoo win without playing much football. Deserving winners but by hell they don't play a nice brand of football. They won't care. Ulster Champions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 15, 2020, 10:26:23 AM
Not many surprises last night.
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Post by: ardtole on August 15, 2020, 10:43:43 AM
I watched the game on tg4 last night, thought it was a good enough game. I was impressed with Shane Annett no 5 for the Bridge I think he was. Is he on the county panel?

Good to see Darragh O Hanlon make an appearance too along with Celium Doherty.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 16, 2020, 08:54:46 AM
What's going on in Castlewellan. Beaten by Saul last week and then by Bredagh in the championship yesterday? Where has it all gone wrong since they won division 1
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Post by: terrifictommy on August 16, 2020, 08:56:28 PM
Anyone at the game tonight, seems like a good decent game of football? I'm not really surprised by the result either. Has Davidson given CPN the added spice?
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Post by: Square Ball on August 16, 2020, 09:21:18 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 16, 2020, 08:56:28 PM
Anyone at the game tonight, seems like a good decent game of football? I'm not really surprised by the result either. Has Davidson given CPN the added spice?

You not watch it online? Was a good game indeed
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Post by: SHEEDY on August 16, 2020, 09:23:06 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 16, 2020, 08:56:28 PM
Anyone at the game tonight, seems like a good decent game of football? I'm not really surprised by the result either. Has Davidson given CPN the added spice?
watched it on pairc TV, great coverage, Connor deegan doesn't get too excited on co commentary though, same tone throughout  :D
Point well worth the win, the 2 boyles, Patrick murdock and cormac mccartan were really good for the point. Burren were very poor, Liam kerr the only player that carried any threat.
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Post by: terrifictommy on August 16, 2020, 09:52:47 PM
No I missed the coverage. No 20p coins  for the WiFi metre
I don't think this is a big shock.
Is the draw tomorrow evening?
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Post by: befair on August 16, 2020, 09:57:50 PM
V good coverage, pic was crystal clear, commentary fine
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 16, 2020, 10:44:46 PM
Brilliant performance from the lads tonight.
Best team all over the field

Winners pot
Kilcoo
Ballyholland
CPN
Bredagh
Rostrevor
Clonduff/Carryduff
Bryansford
Longstone


Losers pot
Darragh Cross
Burren
Mayobridge
Loughinisland
Glenn
Carryduff/Clonduff
Downpatrick
Castlewellan


That losers pot could throw up a big one
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Post by: upandwin on August 17, 2020, 08:49:50 AM
Some game last night, brilliant to finally see two teams go toe-to-toe and just let the football do the talking-It's restored some of my faith in our game. It was exactly what was needed after that Glenn-Ford game earlier in the day. Thought the two teams spent the first half sussing each other out, probably because they haven't played each other in championship football in almost 15yrs. Thought Burren started by far the better side and after going 3pts up in the first 5mins, it looked to me like it was going to be one way traffic but the point weathered the storm well. I think there is real character in that Warrenpoint side, got to see a lot of them over the last few years and been impressed at their bouncebackability (is that still a word?). For me, Paddy Murdock, Ryan Boyle and Ciaran McCartan the pick of the players for them. Also Young McCormack and no.7 (Ryan Magee I think) did a lot of the unnoticed work, for me they were the point's two most underrated performers last night. Davidson was poor enough I thought, showed glimpses of his former self but doesn't look fit. Their squad strength showed when (for the first time that I can see) CPN had a few substitutes who can come on and genuinely influence the game.

For Burren I thought In the first 10mins McKernan went well and tried to drive the team on and lead from the front, he scored the first point and gave a massive roar afterwards and could tell he was trying to G the younger lads up, still a leader for Burren. Thought Liam Kerr was spectacular, it was a definite black card for him in the second half but other than that he was electric-a joy to watch. Cathal Foy wasn't as effective as he can be, nor was young Fegan (Stevy?) but those lads still look a bit rusty and will benefit from the game time last night. Young McGrath in half forward was well shackled, had a very very quiet game. I was surprised big Ryan Treanor didn't start the game, to add some physicality inside for the long ball that Burren were trying to use. Ryan McAleenan did a sterling job on O'Hare, thought he was really really poor by his lofty standards-think more a testament to the tenacity of the point half backs and midfield to cut off supply in to him. I think there's a lot more to come from this Burren side and would bet my life they'll be in the mix come semi final/final time. They may well take the back door run as an opportunity to build momentum and progress that way-Kilcoo have done that effectively in the past.

What are the thoughts on tonight's fixture? Fancy Carryduff to overturn the result from this fixture last year to win by 1 against Clonduff. Hoping for a really big clash in both pots of the next round, the dream scenario for me would be:

Burren vs Bridge
Kilcoo vs CPN
Loughinisland vs RGU
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Post by: guevara on August 17, 2020, 09:53:02 AM
Point vs Burren was a fantastic game. Both Teams went for it from the throw in. People seem to underestimate The Point's physicality. I thought at the closer stages of the game The Point were able to win the close encounters and pull away.

Ryan Boyle was simply unplayable, with pace and power that Burren simply had no answer for. Paddy Murdock is the best full-back in The County. No frills but reads the game brilliantly, teak tough and makes it all look simple.

The Point got lucky in a sense. Davidson was being substituted, Ref played on and he hits a beautiful pass to Ross for a goal.

For Burren Liam Kerr was fantastic and carried the game to The Point. McKernan and Donal O'Hare were pretty poor and McKernan in particular was anonymous when Burren needed him.

Finally Mark Doran recently stated that Paddy Tally and his selectors would be picking boys for Down based on performances and not names. Let's see if this happens or is it all lip service and the same 20 boys from before will be representing Down.
I honestly believe we have some very talented players who are a lot better than some on show in Red & Black. Nobody can blame boys for not wanting to commit to Down when they see players who have been extremely poor for their Club be brought back to County Teams on an annual basis.
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Post by: downjim on August 17, 2020, 11:04:33 AM
Point were with worth the victory, we kicked too much possession away. The point really look improved and will be between them them and kilcoo for the title. Burren and Bridge derby coming up again no doubt.
Some excellent defenders on show over the weekends games btw
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Post by: elk on August 17, 2020, 11:21:08 AM
Great coverage of the CPN / Burren game last night on Pairc TV, entertaining game. Besides Laim Kerr CPN players had the edge all over the pitch. Ryan Boyle, Paddy Murdock and Ciaran Mc Cartan were excellent for CPN. Would have to agree with Upandwin in that Davidson looked to be a yard of the pace and gave the ball away a lot. I would imagine some of the lads who came off the bench might fancy their chances of starting before him next game. Wouldn't write Burren off yet as with Kerr and O'Hare they have the potential to rack up heavy scores but they would need better service as O'Hare had to come out the pitch away from the scoring zone looking for the ball.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on August 17, 2020, 10:37:49 PM
A lot of talk about this great up and coming Carryduff team. They have done well to get themselves into division 1 but have failed to beat anyone of note in senior championship football this few years. They were awful tonight. Basic skill levels were really poor
Tough one for us. Burren and Kilcoo. Not making it easy
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Post by: the goal was on on August 17, 2020, 10:58:41 PM
Guevara considering paddy tally was doing commentary for Tyrone tv over weekend when some down champ games were on I doubt it !
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Post by: upandwin on August 18, 2020, 09:28:49 AM
Sooooo now we know the draws for the next round of the SFC how does everyone see it playing out? Before anyone says it I'm aware there is a separate forum for champ predictions lol Just getting the debate going here...

I think Burren v the Town is a non contest, Burren to have that wrapped up by half time I think, be surprised if they don't win by 10 or more, might be a good chance for them to try some younger players and blood them in like Danny Magill etc. They need to find a different player or two to break in to the starting 15 and challenge the Magpies this year. Fancy Carryduff to beat RGU in a very tight game, actually thought RGU would have been too strong for the reds and came up short in the last round and maybe that will have taken the wind out of the sails a bit, Carryduff by 1 for me. Loughinisland to beat DC by at least 7/8, shocked at their first result tbh and think there'll be a big reaction to that result. Mayobridge to edge out a gutsy Glenn side by 4/5 I think Bridge fitness will take them through at the end of a tight enough affair.

On the winners side, Think Clonduff will push on and have been really impressive over the last two seasons under new management, look to have the bit between the teeth now and not the pushovers they sued to be. Clonduff to beat Ford by 2 (Probably another Septic Stevey display...can see that one being a snoozefest with The yellows winning out just....). Longstone Ballyholland is a great draw for both teams, giving a real opportunity to a lesser fancied team to reach the latter stages of the competition. Fancy the Harps to win this one by 5/6, they have too much quality up front for the Stone IMO. Think if Rushe or Loughran show up at all they should win with a few to spare. Rostrevor will beat Bredagh easy IMO, have seen the reds a fair bit over the last couple of years too and think if they had the real hunger and ambition of previous Rostrevor sides they could challenge anyone on their day. Maybe this year will be too much of a stretch for them to beat the 'Big Three' atm in Burren, CPN and Kilcoo...even think maybe they'd struggle against the Bridge. Rostrevor to win by 8 if Mooney plays well.

The standout fixture once again involves Warrenpoint in the repeat of the 2019 final...This will be a massive test for CPN and maybe the high of beating their nearest and dearest on Sunday will take its toll but that being said, if they can't get motivated to beat the Ulster Champs then there is something seriously wrong. I can't quite call this fixture, Magpies are the absolute masters of tactics and will slow the game and grind it out I think by 2/3pts...If Warrenpoint stand any chance of reversing last year's result they absolutely need to take their goal chances this time around. They create so many scoring opportunities but aren't efficient enough. If Lavery and the Johnstons are on their game I see Kilcoo winning it but if the point can nullify that threat they stand a real chance as they have the better team going forward I believe. Kilcoo won't be worried about the result either way as I've seen them get knocked out by the mighty Burren in Round 2 before and come back stronger through the Back door. Either way it's a great game to look forward to for us all.

Looking forward to seeing our County Champs again as haven't seen them since the final last year. The county board will be delighted with that draw anyways, as will PaircTV I'd imagine :)

Roll On the weekend!!!! 
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Post by: Sandstorm on August 18, 2020, 04:30:16 PM
Surprised that a selector of county minors would take a dig at a club he would be drawing players from. Surprised that Bryansford have not got more control over him, I'm sure they wouldn't approve him taking a dig at their neighbours.
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Post by: Caitlin on August 18, 2020, 06:48:13 PM
There must be a chance the leagues and championship games will not be completed with the latest news on the spread of the virus; in the South they are reducing the number of people able to attend outdoor sporting events to 15.
Credit where credit is due; the county board have a super job with football and hurling in getting the leagues going before the championship in such a narrow window, with a clear plan to get the championships completed asap.
Fair play also for making the arrangements with Pairc TV to stream the three games over the last few days; the coverage was excellent and, along with the TG4 game on Friday night, it was great for people unable to get to the games to see four games live.
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Post by: Targetman on August 18, 2020, 08:23:22 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on August 18, 2020, 04:30:16 PM
Surprised that a selector of county minors would take a dig at a club he would be drawing players from. Surprised that Bryansford have not got more control over him, I'm sure they wouldn't approve him taking a dig at their neighbours.
Seriously, he just called it as it was, Kilcoo do seem to be set up more defensibly this year, the best was him comparing himself to the Barcelona manager given they just got stuffed 8-2 and he's now out of a job!!
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Post by: bannside on August 18, 2020, 09:50:16 PM
You misinterpreted that completely. Read it again, slowly, lol.
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Post by: meatsy86 on August 18, 2020, 11:59:59 PM
I see Ballyholland at it again tonight along with Bosco at an U13 match. Disgraceful scenes from mentors/supporters.
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Post by: supersub on August 19, 2020, 12:15:38 AM
Could you describe what actually happened?
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Post by: meatsy86 on August 19, 2020, 08:15:49 AM
To put it simply a row on the field between a few players one mentor/supporter runs in quickly followed by one from the opposing side who proceeds to knock the other one out/over with his fist. There is a video showing the whole thing doing the rounds. Yet again another example of this one in all in mentality that is now seeped its way into our underage games.
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Post by: 5times5times on August 19, 2020, 10:24:13 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 18, 2020, 11:59:59 PM
I see Ballyholland at it again tonight along with Bosco at an U13 match. Disgraceful scenes from mentors/supporters.

Am i seeing things, or does the Bosco man, not grab the ballyholland young player first??
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Post by: meatsy86 on August 19, 2020, 11:19:09 AM
Everyone involved is in the wrong
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Post by: downjim on August 19, 2020, 12:04:07 PM
Its look bad from both clubs and the person videoing is bound to be breaking rules as well. Underage games should not be recorded on peoples personal phones. I am sure all parties are keen to put this behind them but its a lesson for coaches to keep the head and also for the coaches who preach get stuck into them. This behaviour can spiral out of control and for what? The glory of winning an u13 south Down league ffs Every club is guilty of this  so we cannot point fingers
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Post by: terrifictommy on August 19, 2020, 02:03:31 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on August 19, 2020, 11:19:09 AM
Everyone involved is in the wrong

Very true. Sometimes people think the white lines mean there is an excuse.
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Post by: befair on August 23, 2020, 06:13:00 PM
Watching the Clonduff/Bryansford game
(1) Great coverage by Pairc TV
(2) Stellar performance by Danny Savage; 4 amazing points in a row that turned the game when Clonduff were cruising. Showed what a good footballing side Bryansford are when released from the defensive tactics
(3) Refs don't know the difference between black/yellow cards
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Post by: befair on August 23, 2020, 08:51:48 PM
Again great coverage by Pairc TV, but Kilcoo letting themselves down by trying to attack the ref at the end. Thought the ref had a good game, trying to let the game flow. Still confusion about what is a black/yellow, which penalised Kilcoo tonight and Rostrevor on Friday night. Would still fancy Kilcoo for the championship, but please stop crying at the ref.
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Post by: terrifictommy on August 23, 2020, 09:17:25 PM
Betfair, I didn't see any black cards issued in Clonduff game nor did I see anything that warranted it. Maybe it's us spectators who don't know the difference. Plus you can't single out the refs and then tell people to lay off them.

I'm not sure Bryansford took the game to Clonduff, looked more like Clonduff run out of steam. But extra time Bryansford tried to kick themselves out of the first period. Great scoring in the second period.

Savage hardly touched the ball in the first 50 mins.
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Post by: Last Caress on August 23, 2020, 10:37:48 PM
Watched the kilcoo/point game on line. Did the ref play the full time?
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Post by: thewobbler on August 23, 2020, 11:06:13 PM
Bit harsh on Kilcoo above.

It looked unruly but I'd think the same issue registered with everyone at once and they all felt compelled to give their tuppence. If I'm being honest I'd have done the same.

I'd need to go back to the last century to remember only 1 min of injury time in a game, let alone one with water breaks.

Good game though. Point are a very decent side, well balanced and well coached.

There'll be a few nails bitten tomorrow night when the draw is being made.
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Post by: Last Caress on August 23, 2020, 11:06:56 PM
Quote from: befair on August 23, 2020, 08:51:48 PM
Again great coverage by Pairc TV, but Kilcoo letting themselves down by trying to attack the ref at the end. Thought the ref had a good game, trying to let the game flow. Still confusion about what is a black/yellow, which penalised Kilcoo tonight and Rostrevor on Friday night. Would still fancy Kilcoo for the championship, but please stop crying at the ref.
hardly a good game, if he is confused about what is black or yellow. To be fair after watching  it I'm confused
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Post by: Last Caress on August 23, 2020, 11:13:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 23, 2020, 11:06:13 PM
Bit harsh on Kilcoo above.

It looked unruly but I'd think the same issue registered with everyone at once and they all felt compelled to give their tuppence. If I'm being honest I'd have done the same.

I'd need to go back to the last century to remember only 1 min of injury time in a game, let alone one with water breaks.

Good game though. Point are a very decent side, well balanced and well coached.

There'll be a few nails bitten tomorrow night when the draw is being made.
last century? And heres me thinking you are only a young pup 😄😄
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Post by: upandwin on August 24, 2020, 08:39:03 AM
Last caress, take a day off... Your Kilcoo bias is so blatant it's cringeworthy. Yes, the ref should have played another minute at least and tbh from where I was watching I thought he had a good game overall but thought some 50/50 decisions went the Point's way for sure. On the other hand, I was at the county final last year and the ref that day made call after call after call against Warrenpoint and was responsible for at least 2/3 scores in favour of the magpies (Including their goal). Sometimes the decisions go your way, sometimes they don't but Kilcoo didn't cover themselves in glory last night after the final whistle. I still fancy the Magpies to come back stronger and win it again but last night they can have zero complaints about that result. Could've gone either way but if they can win like champions they should lose like champions too...poor scenes from our county champions.

Anyways who does everyone want to see in the qualifiers? Would love to see Burren and Kilcoo for obvious reasons, think that would be closer than people think although I'm surprised Burren didn't rack up a bigger scoreline against the town...

Bridge v Clonduff would be another cracker. My hope is:

Kilcoo v Burren
Bridge v Clonduff
Carryduff/RGU v Loughinisland
Bredagh v Stone
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Post by: wobbller on August 24, 2020, 09:05:23 AM
Quote from: upandwin on August 24, 2020, 08:39:03 AM
Last caress, take a day off... Your Kilcoo bias is so blatant it's cringeworthy. Yes, the ref should have played another minute at least and tbh from where I was watching I thought he had a good game overall but thought some 50/50 decisions went the Point's way for sure. On the other hand, I was at the county final last year and the ref that day made call after call after call against Warrenpoint and was responsible for at least 2/3 scores in favour of the magpies (Including their goal). Sometimes the decisions go your way, sometimes they don't but Kilcoo didn't cover themselves in glory last night after the final whistle. I still fancy the Magpies to come back stronger and win it again but last night they can have zero complaints about that result. Could've gone either way but if they can win like champions they should lose like champions too...poor scenes from our county champions.

Anyways who does everyone want to see in the qualifiers? Would love to see Burren and Kilcoo for obvious reasons, think that would be closer than people think although I'm surprised Burren didn't rack up a bigger scoreline against the town...

Bridge v Clonduff would be another cracker. My hope is:

Kilcoo v Burren
Bridge v Clonduff
Carryduff/RGU v Loughinisland
Bredagh v Stone
It's Kilcoo,Longstone,Bredagh,Clonduff in the one half V L,island,Burren,MayoB/Glenn or Carryduff/RGU in the other half.
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Post by: upandwin on August 24, 2020, 09:41:13 AM
Are you sure? I always thought it was an open draw for the third round qualifiers...that the only seeded draws were for quarter finals where the 'winners' can't play each other i.e Rostrevor, Ford, CPN and Harps can't meet each other...

Is that definite?
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Post by: downjim on August 24, 2020, 10:04:49 AM
Let's call a spade a spade , the scene's at the end were disgraceful and there should be hefty suspensions for the men who followed the ref to the changing rooms. There is no glossing over that and no excuses . Refereeing is hard enough and Paul had a great game last night. Bullying referees needs to be condemned and I hope our county board shows leadership and takes correct actions against the said individuals.
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Post by: elk on August 24, 2020, 11:27:20 AM
Quote from: downjim on August 24, 2020, 10:04:49 AM
Let's call a spade a spade , the scene's at the end were disgraceful and there should be hefty suspensions for the men who followed the ref to the changing rooms. There is no glossing over that and no excuses . Refereeing is hard enough and Paul had a great game last night. Bullying referees needs to be condemned and I hope our county board shows leadership and takes correct actions against the said individuals.
Totally agree, took the gloss off what was an enjoyable game. Although CPN got the result and met Kilcoo head on,I thought Kilcoo were the better team and the next team up for them will feel the backlash.
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Post by: upandwin on August 24, 2020, 11:32:37 AM
Kilcoo certainly looked the better of the two and only for missing chances at big moments they'd have won that game...More in the tank for CPN and genuinely think they're the more talented team but you can't put a price on experience...Kilcoo will be harder to beat the next time and not many referees have the same balls as the ref yesterday. Most referees bend (understandably) to the pressure of their support and players...the referee of this reverse fixture will determine the winners of the 2020 SFC in my opinion...Agree with DownJim though...
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Post by: befair on August 24, 2020, 05:24:46 PM
Also think Jock was fortunate not to get a 2nd yellow for verbals towards the ref at the end of the 1st half. Ref showed great restraint there; if it was rugby, it would be a 6 month suspension. No need for it, because the Branigans are formidable as a collective, other teams must shudder when they see them all lined out
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Post by: maldini on August 24, 2020, 05:55:43 PM
Is the draw for the next round tonight or after the match on Wednesday
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Post by: Nanderson on August 24, 2020, 05:59:38 PM
Quote from: maldini on August 24, 2020, 05:55:43 PM
Is the draw for the next round tonight or after the match on Wednesday
tonight i believe
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Post by: Mourne Red on August 24, 2020, 09:21:42 PM
Kilcoo vs Burren.. The draw we all wanted! Dare say there will be reports there's COVID in Burren and Kilcoo over the next week or so   ;D
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Post by: champion1981 on August 24, 2020, 09:26:43 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 24, 2020, 11:32:37 AM
Kilcoo certainly looked the better of the two and only for missing chances at big moments they'd have won that game...More in the tank for CPN and genuinely think they're the more talented team but you can't put a price on experience...Kilcoo will be harder to beat the next time and not many referees have the same balls as the ref yesterday. Most referees bend (understandably) to the pressure of their support and players...the referee of this reverse fixture will determine the winners of the 2020 SFC in my opinion...Agree with DownJim though...
didn't see the game,but going by BBC report and the Irish news the ref had a stinker, between cutting play time short for apparently " forgot about the 2nd half water break" lol and over ruling both lines men and his own umpires on several occasions doesn't look good for Paul faloon,  I heard also today that he resigned from referring any truth in this??
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Post by: maldini on August 24, 2020, 09:32:51 PM
are the relegation play offs in SFC and IFC this weekend or next?
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Post by: terrifictommy on August 24, 2020, 10:23:44 PM
Does anyone blame him if he did quit, seasoned campaigner and the best in the county, yet treated like that after a game. It's so far past our games ethics and at some point markers need to be put down. No doubt Kilcoo will circle the wagons and believe the world are out to get them. Poor kilcoo.

Champion - I'd say you are one of these bloodbayers, from the BBC report I watched it just mentioned the timing issue.
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Post by: Oglach on August 24, 2020, 10:43:05 PM
The refereeing in the Kilcoo/Warrenpoint game was a disgrace.
The same Referee has personal issues with some of the Kilcoo players and has told this openly.
The report in the Irish news was as critical as Ive read in a while. It stopped short from calling him a cheat!
It's not the first time these problems have arisen but they're a little more obvious now.
The time keeping was worrying alright but whats more worrying is that the clock on the scoreboard was working for the clonduff/Bryansford game.
The excuse for it not working for the Kilcoo/Point game "the remote is lost!"
Is it too much to ask that the matches are officiated fairly?
Congratulations to Warrenpoint on a gutsy performance but like it or not, it'll be remembered as a victory for a crooked referee.
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Post by: Golden Eye on August 24, 2020, 10:46:35 PM
Kilcoo absolutely Disgusting! For a chairman and secretary of a club to run out and approach a referee and personal abuse that man was unreal!

Kilcoo shouldn't be allowed any spectators for there behaviour last night, burren should be given there tickets!

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Post by: thewobbler on August 24, 2020, 10:46:59 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 24, 2020, 10:23:44 PM
Does anyone blame him if he did quit, seasoned campaigner and the best in the county, yet treated like that after a game. It's so far past our games ethics and at some point markers need to be put down. No doubt Kilcoo will circle the wagons and believe the world are out to get them. Poor kilcoo.

Champion - I'd say you are one of these bloodbayers, from the BBC report I watched it just mentioned the timing issue.

I would absolutely love to see zero tolerance for referee abuse, I really would. Id be 100% behind cards galore and people ejected from grounds, and for as long as it takes.

It's a sickening stain on our game that people feel entitled to object vociferously to every decision, and will make it personal and downright nasty at the drop of a hat.

But in the context of the GAA world in 2020, I think there's a few on here want to overplay Kilcoo's behaviour. I'm sure there were plenty of foul things directed at Faloon. But to be declared championship match losers by a point when time clearly wasn't up, that's a hammer blow. That he was surrounded wasn't even slightly a surprise. Anyone who thinks their club would behave differently is living in cuckoo land.

Finally, there were seven officials Faloon could have got a steer from on a simple thing like time. Same as our championship match on Saturday when the referee was determined to keep his own sin bin timings, and play 10 mins of injury time. They have support in championship matches and sometimes these lads just don't help themselves.

I just wish they showed the same conviction in waving red cards for personal abuse, for encroaching onto fields, for people acting the ****.
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Post by: forevergreen on August 24, 2020, 10:59:18 PM
Quote from: Oglach on August 24, 2020, 10:43:05 PM
The refereeing in the Kilcoo/Warrenpoint game was a disgrace.
The same Referee has personal issues with some of the Kilcoo players and has told this openly.
The report in the Irish news was as critical as Ive read in a while. It stopped short from calling him a cheat!
It's not the first time these problems have arisen but they're a little more obvious now.
The time keeping was worrying alright but whats more worrying is that the clock on the scoreboard was working for the clonduff/Bryansford game.
The excuse for it not working for the Kilcoo/Point game "the remote is lost!"
Is it too much to ask that the matches are officiated fairly?
Congratulations to Warrenpoint on a gutsy performance but like it or not, it'll be remembered as a victory for a crooked referee.
f**k I laughed at this - is it to much to ask for matches to be officiated fairly??. You's arent as quick to criticise officials when they ignore gouging, disgraceful verbals, fingers in mouths etc. But what goes around comes around. Yous have blocked Paul Fallon for years because he doesn't get intimidated by you's. He might well have made a timing error and for that he'll have to hold his hands up and take the criticism but everything else is by the book with him and that's your bigger problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 24, 2020, 11:08:27 PM
Quote from: Oglach on August 24, 2020, 10:43:05 PM
The refereeing in the Kilcoo/Warrenpoint game was a disgrace.
The same Referee has personal issues with some of the Kilcoo players and has told this openly.
The report in the Irish news was as critical as Ive read in a while. It stopped short from calling him a cheat!
It's not the first time these problems have arisen but they're a little more obvious now.
The time keeping was worrying alright but whats more worrying is that the clock on the scoreboard was working for the clonduff/Bryansford game.
The excuse for it not working for the Kilcoo/Point game "the remote is lost!"
Is it too much to ask that the matches are officiated fairly?
Congratulations to Warrenpoint on a gutsy performance but like it or not, it'll be remembered as a victory for a crooked referee.

This libellous and the moderators should take it down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 24, 2020, 11:13:22 PM
Paul Faloon refereed the game to the highest standard and is by far the best ref in Down football and he proved it. He doesn't get intimidated by Kilcoo like the rest do. Even Sharvin tried to give a line ball to Kilcoo that Faloon overturned. It clearly came off a Kilcoo man Sharvin tryin to blatantly help Kilcoo. We were lucky to come away with the win but we will take it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on August 24, 2020, 11:20:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 24, 2020, 11:13:22 PM
Paul Faloon refereed the game to the highest standard and is by far the best ref in Down football and he proved it. He doesn't get intimidated by Kilcoo like the rest do. Even Sharvin tried to give a line ball to Kilcoo that Faloon overturned. It clearly came off a Kilcoo man Sharvin tryin to blatantly help Kilcoo. We were lucky to come away with the win but we will take it
The highest standard!! We wouldn't be on here discussing this if it was of a high standard.
God help Down football if that's the highest standard.
The evidence is stacked in this one. Take off the blinkers fellas.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on August 25, 2020, 06:43:18 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 24, 2020, 11:13:22 PM
Paul Faloon refereed the game to the highest standard and is by far the best ref in Down football and he proved it. He doesn't get intimidated by Kilcoo like the rest do. Even Sharvin tried to give a line ball to Kilcoo that Faloon overturned. It clearly came off a Kilcoo man Sharvin tryin to blatantly help Kilcoo. We were lucky to come away with the win but we will take it
😄 the highest standard he says! He over ruled both his lines men and even his umpires 🙈  ,im afraid all he has done here has woke a sleeping giant in our game, i think kilcoo will be more than happy with the 6draw last night and take the points seconds comfortably, 😁
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on August 25, 2020, 07:03:13 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 24, 2020, 10:23:44 PM
Does anyone blame him if he did quit, seasoned campaigner and the best in the county, yet treated like that after a game. It's so far past our games ethics and at some point markers need to be put down. No doubt Kilcoo will circle the wagons and believe the world are out to get them. Poor kilcoo.

Champion - I'd say you are one of these bloodbayers, from the BBC report I watched it just mentioned the timing issue.
yeah you must of watched the same bbc report as I did! Read the irish news write up! Never  have I read such a bad report about a referee  in County Down! Or in deed Ireland,  or maybe just maybe kilcoo run the irish news also🤔,  the jealously on the page is unbelievable,  dare I say 99.9 % of people on this would love to be in the  position that the magpies are in!! I for 1 would!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on August 25, 2020, 08:21:43 AM
Some guys /girls obviously have a very blinkered view of the points Kilcoo game, first congrats to whoever come up with the tv coverage.
The game I thought was very well referred by Paul Faloon, I have met him several times when he has referred our games and he is the only ref who truly lets the game flow,Kilcoo lost the game because of ill discipline, it was a true championship game played in the right spirit until Kilcoo felt the game slipping away, how many times has Dylan Ward been black carded, the rule of a ten minute sir on the bench is good as it does penalise the offending players team, I don't think Warrenpoint will win the SFC but they will go close, some good players and I'm no fan if theirs, Kilcoo will come back stronger but they should go to Paul Faloon and apologise to him as their actions at the end of the game were a disgrace and very reminiscent of by gone days of thuggery and abuse towards officials.Kilcoo will be lucky to escape further sanctions but any action by the CCC is dependant on referees report and how much the county hierarchy value and support their officials.
Smurf you have genuine contenders this year but don't be getting carried away!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 25, 2020, 08:22:26 AM
Most people in here are from a range of clubs, so either those outside of Kilcoo have got it all wrong or the perspective you have is clouded. Each year the same debate rumbles on, its about the integrity of the football club. Abusing an individual is wrong.

Why don't people talk about Kilcoo with admiration like they do of Corofin, Crossmaglen. is the jealousy any less. I doubt it. Would I like to have as many county medals in my pocket over the last decade - Yes without a doubt.

Down have 2 refs in the national panel, you don't get to that level being a poor ref. That's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on August 25, 2020, 08:29:22 AM
I don't know what went on here but when someone is making a conspiracy theory of it by saying that remote was lost for the time keeping on the scoreboard for the game then it makes a bit of a mockery of their arguments. How would a ref know up front that if he was looking a team beat he could do it by blowing up early!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on August 25, 2020, 08:39:26 AM
Kilcoo s intergity has never been questioned in the past or has it, memory is fading but I recall them being involved in racially abusing a Crossmaglen player, they are extremely driven but some of their actions on the field have in the past being rightly criticised but I believe they concentrate playing football these days, bottom line is the team and their supporters don't like getting beat and believe they can attack officials with impunity .
An apology to the referee would go along to diffuse this situation but we will see, over to the CCC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 25, 2020, 08:54:56 AM
Say what you like about this forum but by Christ It is entertaining...I'm not biased towards any particular referee or against any either but from where I watched the match it was referred excellently (apart from the obvious mistake with time which was crazy). During the 59 and a half mins of play however :) I think Faloon had a fantastic game and that's hard to do where Kilcoo are involved. I don't think naming referees for calling them out is appropriate on here but let's look at the conspiracy theory from outside the Magpie camp for a second if you want to go down this rabbit hole.

Kilcoo v Burren in 2015 Q/F (I think, could be wrong on year) Gerard McGovern black card for 'sledging' (never seen or heard of that before or after that instance) when Burren were well on top, that changed the game and Kilcoo won.

Kilcoo v Burren 2017- Kilcoo MANAGEMENT kick Balls on to the pitch to waste time and no extra time added to allow for their shithousery, then they cried off for Burren doing same thing in 2018 in County final the following year

Kilcoo v CPN in 2018 S/F-I counted 5 free kicks given to Kilcoo in that game which were at best, not fouls and at worst, actually free kicks the other way-4 of these amounted to scores)...Point captain Boyle got two yellows in this game and sent off when Point were winning by 2 and in ascendancy...His first yellow card was mystifying and Devlin got nothing for two of the EXACT same tackles...Kilcoo won by 3/4 points...

Kilcoo v Clonduff 2019 S/F- One of the Brannigans reckless flying knees in to the keeper at the end and scuffle ensues...McConville and keeper both sent off and Brannigan gets a YELLOW card from a Rostrevor referee (I wonder why a Rostrevor man wouldn't want an important Kilcoo player to be suspended for their final that particular year)

Constant reports of Referees doing in-house games and overseeing TACKLING GRIDS and Pressure cooker drills in training sessions too, maybe Paul Faloon wasn't willing to be bought off by the Magpies and hence the grudge they have towards him...

Makes for a more appealing conspiracy theory than the 'Sure yer man forgot the remote' narrative...


For those of you might miss the tone of this post I'll sum it up...Sometimes decisions go your way, sometimes they don't...sometimes teams feel hard done by and it happens EVERY SINGLE CLUB at some point...The way I see it, when you are the favourites in a match or champonship-you will always get the rub of the green from referees when it matters (IN ALL SPORTS) and that will be the same until you become the big team...as underdogs you are going to have to beat the favourites and the referee...you will have to overcome 16 men maybe 17 men really when you have umpires that can't make the big calls evenly...Kilcoo did it at one point to overturn the burren team that was dominating 10yrs ago, as did Burren to take down the Mighty Bridge sides early 2000s...so will Burren or Warrenpoint or anyone else that wants a crack at the title...they will have to beat all the officials too, or get a half strong referee with the backbone to refer unbiased and make calls as he sees them...unfortunately for the chasing pack I think it will have to be the former because we aren't blessed with strong enough referees in this county other than Paul and possibly Con Reynolds who has had a couple of great games in this year's championship already...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 25, 2020, 09:43:34 AM
Ballyholland men here saying that any other team would act the same way ..... no not any other team , yours maybe given their recent behaviour . There is no excuse ever for that spectacle .

I'm sure Paul would be the first to admit he made a mistake after the game on the time when he reflects on it , but to be surrounded by half a dozen players and officials is bound to be a scary situation . To be fair to one of the kilcoo men , the chairman I think , he seemed to be trying to get his members away from Paul . He made a mistake , he's human . If a player makes a mistake do his team members surround him and give him grief after the fact ... no they don't . We need referees , no games take place without them . Paul made one error , the time . The overturning the line ball was a decision he should be complimented for because it was THE RIGHT CALL 🙄. Yes Some 50/50 decisions went against kilcoo , Such is the game . Get over it and take ur medicine and come back better
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 25, 2020, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 25, 2020, 09:43:34 AM
Ballyholland men here saying that any other team would act the same way ..... no not any other team , yours maybe given their recent behaviour . There is no excuse ever for that spectacle .

I'm sure Paul would be the first to admit he made a mistake after the game on the time when he reflects on it , but to be surrounded by half a dozen players and officials is bound to be a scary situation . To be fair to one of the kilcoo men , the chairman I think , he seemed to be trying to get his members away from Paul . He made a mistake , he's human . If a player makes a mistake do his team members surround him and give him grief after the fact ... no they don't . We need referees , no games take place without them . Paul made one error , the time . The overturning the line ball was a decision he should be complimented for because it was THE RIGHT CALL 🙄. Yes Some 50/50 decisions went against kilcoo , Such is the game . Get over it and take ur medicine and come back better

Are you not a Glenn man?

I'm used to GAA folk who can combine a short memory and a burning passion to convince themselves of anything. But you should probably wait another couple of seasons before throwing stones from your greenhouse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 25, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
How can Sharvin justify given that line ball to Kilcoo that Faloon overturned? He was 5 yards from it? Blatant cheating if you ask me. Many referees would take the easy option and go with the linesman but Faloon seen through Sharvin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 25, 2020, 10:56:55 AM
Speaking to a few Burren men yesterday in work and they were all hoping to get Kilcoo in the draw...exact words were 'If the point can manage to beat them then they aren't that good...' seems a strange take on the whole sitatuion but they'll be (not so) quietly confident this weekend...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 25, 2020, 11:07:20 AM
If reports that Paul Faloon has quit refereeing Gaelic games over Sunday evening then it's an absolute disgrace. I thought he refereed his brilliantly and that added to the spectacle. An open apology from the Kilcoo club would go along way. Chairmen , Ex chairmen, Secretary's, county board delegates should know better than to encroach the playing field to abuse refs. How can Kilcoo underage coaches teach respect when they see their top rank officials behave like that. The county board need to deal with this for the integrity of Gaelic football in this county. No cup is worth more than respect.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 25, 2020, 11:22:10 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 25, 2020, 10:29:00 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 25, 2020, 09:43:34 AM
Ballyholland men here saying that any other team would act the same way ..... no not any other team , yours maybe given their recent behaviour . There is no excuse ever for that spectacle .

I'm sure Paul would be the first to admit he made a mistake after the game on the time when he reflects on it , but to be surrounded by half a dozen players and officials is bound to be a scary situation . To be fair to one of the kilcoo men , the chairman I think , he seemed to be trying to get his members away from Paul . He made a mistake , he's human . If a player makes a mistake do his team members surround him and give him grief after the fact ... no they don't . We need referees , no games take place without them . Paul made one error , the time . The overturning the line ball was a decision he should be complimented for because it was THE RIGHT CALL 🙄. Yes Some 50/50 decisions went against kilcoo , Such is the game . Get over it and take ur medicine and come back better

Are you not a Glenn man?

I'm used to GAA folk who can combine a short memory and a burning passion to convince themselves of anything. But you should probably wait another couple of seasons before throwing stones from your greenhouse.

I am and unlike you I'm saying these scenes have no place in our game . There is no justification for having a volunteer fearing his safety , none ....ever .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 25, 2020, 11:29:03 AM
You're not reading what I've been saying then Stiff Breeze. To repeat:

1. These scenes have no place in our game and I'd love a zero tolerance approach to be implemented.

2. But given how commonplace it is for managers, subs and admins to encroach the field of play, and given how commonplace it is for them and players to surround and verbally abuse referees, I don't think Kilcoo's behaviour the other night was unexpected. In fact I fully expect every single club in Ireland would behave in a similar fashion, in that context.

Your club would. My club would. CPN would. Burren would. All the clubs from the mouthpieces above would.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 25, 2020, 11:36:36 AM
Quote from: upandwin on August 25, 2020, 08:54:56 AM
Say what you like about this forum but by Christ It is entertaining...I'm not biased towards any particular referee or against any either but from where I watched the match it was referred excellently (apart from the obvious mistake with time which was crazy). During the 59 and a half mins of play however :) I think Faloon had a fantastic game and that's hard to do where Kilcoo are involved. I don't think naming referees for calling them out is appropriate on here but let's look at the conspiracy theory from outside the Magpie camp for a second if you want to go down this rabbit hole.

Kilcoo v Burren in 2015 Q/F (I think, could be wrong on year) Gerard McGovern black card for 'sledging' (never seen or heard of that before or after that instance) when Burren were well on top, that changed the game and Kilcoo won.

Kilcoo v Burren 2017- Kilcoo MANAGEMENT kick Balls on to the pitch to waste time and no extra time added to allow for their shithousery, then they cried off for Burren doing same thing in 2018 in County final the following year

Kilcoo v CPN in 2018 S/F-I counted 5 free kicks given to Kilcoo in that game which were at best, not fouls and at worst, actually free kicks the other way-4 of these amounted to scores)...Point captain Boyle got two yellows in this game and sent off when Point were winning by 2 and in ascendancy...His first yellow card was mystifying and Devlin got nothing for two of the EXACT same tackles...Kilcoo won by 3/4 points...

Kilcoo v Clonduff 2019 S/F- One of the Brannigans reckless flying knees in to the keeper at the end and scuffle ensues...McConville and keeper both sent off and Brannigan gets a YELLOW card from a Rostrevor referee (I wonder why a Rostrevor man wouldn't want an important Kilcoo player to be suspended for their final that particular year)

Constant reports of Referees doing in-house games and overseeing TACKLING GRIDS and Pressure cooker drills in training sessions too, maybe Paul Faloon wasn't willing to be bought off by the Magpies and hence the grudge they have towards him...

Makes for a more appealing conspiracy theory than the 'Sure yer man forgot the remote' narrative...


For those of you might miss the tone of this post I'll sum it up...Sometimes decisions go your way, sometimes they don't...sometimes teams feel hard done by and it happens EVERY SINGLE CLUB at some point...The way I see it, when you are the favourites in a match or champonship-you will always get the rub of the green from referees when it matters (IN ALL SPORTS) and that will be the same until you become the big team...as underdogs you are going to have to beat the favourites and the referee...you will have to overcome 16 men maybe 17 men really when you have umpires that can't make the big calls evenly...Kilcoo did it at one point to overturn the burren team that was dominating 10yrs ago, as did Burren to take down the Mighty Bridge sides early 2000s...so will Burren or Warrenpoint or anyone else that wants a crack at the title...they will have to beat all the officials too, or get a half strong referee with the backbone to refer unbiased and make calls as he sees them...unfortunately for the chasing pack I think it will have to be the former because we aren't blessed with strong enough referees in this county other than Paul and possibly Con Reynolds who has had a couple of great games in this year's championship already...

Was at the CPN V Kilcoo 2018 game and Ronan Barry definitely had his Kilcoo colours on under his referees jersey that night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 25, 2020, 11:45:07 AM
Wobbler there are mouthpieces in every club but they don't go after the ref when you get beat in a game and certainly the top table in big clubs in this county do not behave in that manner. People are in those roles to show leadership. One person can loss the run of their-self but not the whole bloody executive.I have yet to see Anita Brannigan encroach a field to abuse a referee, Larry Byrne....... etc etc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on August 25, 2020, 11:45:37 AM
This video to me, sums up Kilcoo.. How some of their supporters cry wolf is staggering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZxfa8OaNc8

Ohanlon scores an incredible free
Waves to the crowd
When running out, delib goes in search of a Cross man
Shoulder each other
Ohanlon goes down holding his face, and the cries (as usual) of the Kilcoo fans.[/li][/list]


Or how about the racial abuse of another Cross player?
Or the sledging to another down club player about their dead parent?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 25, 2020, 11:47:02 AM
Everyone knows Barry is a vivid supporter of Kilcoo
He has been for many a year
The Kilcoo colours under his top
As bad a referee in the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 25, 2020, 11:50:05 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 25, 2020, 11:29:03 AM
You're not reading what I've been saying then Stiff Breeze. To repeat:

1. These scenes have no place in our game and I'd love a zero tolerance approach to be implemented.

2. But given how commonplace it is for managers, subs and admins to encroach the field of play, and given how commonplace it is for them and players to surround and verbally abuse referees, I don't think Kilcoo's behaviour the other night was unexpected. In fact I fully expect every single club in Ireland would behave in a similar fashion, in that context.

Your club would. My club would. CPN would. Burren would. All the clubs from the mouthpieces above would.

You should leave it at point 1 . I've seen managers approach and abuse an official , In the wrong Completely , but it's 1 person losing the run of themselves , this was players , management and club officials. Let's see how the county board stands behind their official , time for a line to be drawn in the sand .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 25, 2020, 12:00:57 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 25, 2020, 11:45:07 AM
Wobbler there are mouthpieces in every club but they don't go after the ref when you get beat in a game and certainly the top table in big clubs in this county do not behave in that manner. People are in those roles to show leadership. One person can loss the run of their-self but not the whole bloody executive.I have yet to see Anita Brannigan encroach a field to abuse a referee, Larry Byrne....... etc etc

Whereas I've seen dozens of club officers flood absolute bile in the face of officials after matches, for perceived bias. Sometimes it's heat of the moment. Sometimes it's cold and callous.

Hence I think it's genuinely understandable that when an indisputably incorrect decision (to blow up early) goes against a club, that there is an immediate outburst of wrath to the referee from all involved.

——

There's a further conundrum for Kilcoo here. I think everyone would appreciate it if they released a statement, and an apology to the referee.

But unless Faloon writes up individuals specifically, I'm not sure how CCC might intervene. They could pull Kilcoo on a "bringing the game into disrepute" charge, but that surely couldn't stick in any appeals process, unless the referee is prepared to identify individuals as being directly personal and threatening. The video coverage isn't enough to hang any single person individually, especially as it was after the final whistle and people have a right to enter the pitch.

So they're unlikely to implicate themselves in any way for wrong doing, because that admission of guilt might actually help any potential disrepute case against them.

It's awkward.

I'd love clubs to man up and admit it when they're wrong. It would be step one in the process of fixing this sort of problem. Just can't see it happening here.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 25, 2020, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 25, 2020, 11:50:05 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 25, 2020, 11:29:03 AM
You're not reading what I've been saying then Stiff Breeze. To repeat:

1. These scenes have no place in our game and I'd love a zero tolerance approach to be implemented.

2. But given how commonplace it is for managers, subs and admins to encroach the field of play, and given how commonplace it is for them and players to surround and verbally abuse referees, I don't think Kilcoo's behaviour the other night was unexpected. In fact I fully expect every single club in Ireland would behave in a similar fashion, in that context.

Your club would. My club would. CPN would. Burren would. All the clubs from the mouthpieces above would.

You should leave it at point 1 . I've seen managers approach and abuse an official , In the wrong Completely , but it's 1 person losing the run of themselves , this was players , management and club officials. Let's see how the county board stands behind their official , time for a line to be drawn in the sand .

I disagree.

There's half a dozen posters who want to portray this as a Kilcoo problem.

It's not.

It's an institutional problem in the GAA.

They're no angels. Not even close. But any person adopting a holier than thou attitude against Kilcoo this week, I make them wrong. Every club would have behaved equally appallingly (or worse) in that exact context.


The root problem here isn't Kilcoo. It's is fucked up rulebook and appeals process that facilitates this behaviour
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 25, 2020, 12:11:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 25, 2020, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 25, 2020, 11:50:05 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 25, 2020, 11:29:03 AM
You're not reading what I've been saying then Stiff Breeze. To repeat:

1. These scenes have no place in our game and I'd love a zero tolerance approach to be implemented.

2. But given how commonplace it is for managers, subs and admins to encroach the field of play, and given how commonplace it is for them and players to surround and verbally abuse referees, I don't think Kilcoo's behaviour the other night was unexpected. In fact I fully expect every single club in Ireland would behave in a similar fashion, in that context.

Your club would. My club would. CPN would. Burren would. All the clubs from the mouthpieces above would.

You should leave it at point 1 . I've seen managers approach and abuse an official , In the wrong Completely , but it's 1 person losing the run of themselves , this was players , management and club officials. Let's see how the county board stands behind their official , time for a line to be drawn in the sand .

I disagree.

There's half a dozen posters who want to portray this as a Kilcoo problem.

It's not.

It's an institutional problem in the GAA.

They're no angels. Not even close. But any person adopting a holier than thou attitude against Kilcoo this week, I make them wrong. Every club would have behaved equally appallingly (or worse) in that exact context.


The root problem here isn't Kilcoo. It's is fucked up rulebook and appeals process that facilitates this behaviour

No I disagree , not every club would not have reacted the same , that's a massive generalisation . Some clubs have a win no matter what approach , most dont . To clarify my position , I like how kilcoo operate on the field Playing football , great buy in , great club pitches and for a small pick they work wonders . I'm the fartherest thing from anti kilcoo . I just think it was wrong , what club did it is irrelevant to me .

We agree on the rules and appeals thing though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 25, 2020, 12:47:18 PM
We have all been shafted down the years by refs or at least thought we were. John Anthony and Mickey Cranney must get a mention in must pubs every weekend in County Down ffs
There is no justification for that behaviour whatsoever whether it be Kilcoo, Harps , Burren or whoever. A statement? What club members would be fit to stand up against the culprits  who were the instigators.
The county has trouble getting referees and after Sunday night who in their right mind would take up the whistle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 25, 2020, 01:13:41 PM
I'd agree it's an institutional and cultural problem. I have no idea why referees tolerate it; in rugby if you look sideways at the ref it's a penalty, twice and it's a yellow or red. I've always admired this Kilcoo team, + supported them once my own club was out (which is usually fairly early), but this whining and petulance and attacking the ref reflects badly on them; they had plenty of opportunities during the game to win it, but blaming the ref is an easy call.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on August 25, 2020, 06:37:46 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on August 25, 2020, 11:45:37 AM
This video to me, sums up Kilcoo.. How some of their supporters cry wolf is staggering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZxfa8OaNc8

Ohanlon scores an incredible free
Waves to the crowd
When running out, delib goes in search of a Cross man
Shoulder each other
Ohanlon goes down holding his face, and the cries (as usual) of the Kilcoo fans.[/li][/list]


Or how about the racial abuse of another Cross player?
Or the sledging to another down club player about their dead parent?



Quote from: 5times5times on July 01, 2020, 05:55:25 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 01, 2020, 01:42:04 PM

Who is your club 5times?

The kingpins of Down & Ulster #utm... Why might i ask??


5times5times, you must be suffering a bit of an identity crisis, either you are from Kilcoo or you are not.

The treatment of Paul Faloon by Kilcoo has been horrendous for several years now. Some of the stories of what people have said or done is just sick. Kilcoo are very good at dishing out their own brand of hatred but so much of it is just cowardly, just ask Mayobridge minors and the other night it was Paul's turn again. They should suck it up and stop whinging to their fellow county mates in the press just to get a story. Everybody knows what way Paul Faloon referees games and while others blow constantly on the whistle, he doesn't. This makes for a good spectacle rather than the stop start nature of games and it's better than watching the likes of a boy from Warrenpoint be the centre of attention in a game rather than the game itself. Paul Faloon has a great future in refereeing and good luck to him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on August 25, 2020, 08:57:52 PM
Another day, another club

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We have today been informed that one of our Senior players has tested positive for Covid -19.
He has been deemed not to have had close contact with any other members of his team recently.
Following consultation with PHA and Down County Board, we have been advised that club activities, which are all outside, can continue as normal.

As always we advise everyone to adhere to Public Health Agency guidelines in relation to hand and facial hygiene as well as social distancing.
Should you feel unwell or develop symptoms of Covid-19 please self isolate and arrange testing as per PHA advice.
We wish our member a speedy recovery and we will update our communications should there be any change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on August 26, 2020, 12:54:18 AM
I'm just delighted they found the remote for Monday night's game. Looked at the game again and to be honest the kilcoo officials appeared to be protecting the ref from some spectators who went on the field. I don't know their names but a man dressed in black and one with a light coloured coat were confronting their own people.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on August 26, 2020, 11:17:16 AM
Watched the Point and Kilcoo game back. The ref done a very good job time keeping aside. He is one of the few refs that will not be bullied by kilcoo do fair play. You can say what you want but true champions lose with grace. Burren or the great Mayobridge team of the 2000s would have never acted like that. Its pure intimidation from Kilcoo and people are sick of their antics. From intimidating refs to sledging young lads they just cant do it without controversy. No doubt they will turn this into a positive in their own camp and the seige mentality will set in... Everyone hates us... Maybe they do but it isnt without justification.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on August 26, 2020, 10:29:03 PM
Quote from: urbangael on August 26, 2020, 11:17:16 AM
Watched the Point and Kilcoo game back. The ref done a very good job time keeping aside. He is one of the few refs that will not be bullied by kilcoo do fair play. You can say what you want but true champions lose with grace. Burren or the great Mayobridge team of the 2000s would have never acted like that. Its pure intimidation from Kilcoo and people are sick of their antics. From intimidating refs to sledging young lads they just cant do it without controversy. No doubt they will turn this into a positive in their own camp and the seige mentality will set in... Everyone hates us... Maybe they do but it isnt without justification.
really don't think the magpies care what we think of them tbh! On paper the best team to come out of down this 20 odd years ! And in every club there's sledging going on and has been for some time, dont honestly think its only kilcoo that does a bit of sledging
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on August 26, 2020, 11:38:09 PM
The sledging of the young from mayobridge crossed the line. Its well documented. They always seem to stoop to new lows and can't win without controversy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 28, 2020, 02:11:20 PM
Clonduff 7/4 looks like great value
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on August 28, 2020, 04:39:38 PM
Quote from: urbangael on August 26, 2020, 11:38:09 PM
The sledging of the young from mayobridge crossed the line. Its well documented. They always seem to stoop to new lows and can't win without controversy.

CPN player came out of Kilcoo game with a gouging injury to his eye and bruised balls that were twisted during the game. What the f**k is that all about and if that's the way they want to play it, then f**k away off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 28, 2020, 05:29:29 PM
Brannigan and ward up in front of disciplinary committee tonight.
What is wrong with these Kilcoo players
Absolutely disgusting comments towards Paul Faloon
Disgusting in the highest order
Regardless of the result that has no place in our games
Ah it would make you cross
Disgusting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 28, 2020, 06:08:10 PM
Carryduff v Downpatrick called off again tonight. 2nd Downpatrick player has tested positive apparently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on August 28, 2020, 09:30:17 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 28, 2020, 05:29:29 PM
Brannigan and ward up in front of disciplinary committee tonight.
What is wrong with these Kilcoo players
Absolutely disgusting comments towards Paul Faloon
Disgusting in the highest order
Regardless of the result that has no place in our games
Ah it would make you cross
Disgusting
seriously??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 28, 2020, 09:49:11 PM
Yes.
Up tonight with suspension hanging over both after comments made towards Paul Faloon
Disgusting comments may I add
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on August 28, 2020, 10:00:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 28, 2020, 09:49:11 PM
Yes.
Up tonight with suspension hanging over both after comments made towards Paul Faloon
Disgusting comments may I add
which brannigan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on August 28, 2020, 10:09:37 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on August 28, 2020, 10:00:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 28, 2020, 09:49:11 PM
Yes.
Up tonight with suspension hanging over both after comments made towards Paul Faloon
Disgusting comments may I add
which brannigan?

Probably the scumming one who acts like a tr**p on the pitch. Shit, hold on. Eeny meeny miny moe  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on August 29, 2020, 12:11:52 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 28, 2020, 09:49:11 PM
Yes.
Up tonight with suspension hanging over both after comments made towards Paul Faloon
Disgusting comments may I add
Why did u hear the comments???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 29, 2020, 12:43:52 AM
No but I know what he said
Sick sick abuse of Paul Faloon and no place for it in our games
Awful
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 29, 2020, 01:41:47 AM
This abuse is unacceptable; it's more visible when a top club like Kilcoo is involved, but just heard about another incident where a ref had to escorted to his car at The Kingdom. We are letting ourselves down, and the GAA needs to take a stand against this
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on August 29, 2020, 07:13:02 AM
Quote from: Lotto on August 28, 2020, 10:09:37 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on August 28, 2020, 10:00:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 28, 2020, 09:49:11 PM
Yes.
Up tonight with suspension hanging over both after comments made towards Paul Faloon
Disgusting comments may I add
which brannigan?

Probably the scumming one who acts like a tr**p on the pitch. Shit, hold on. Eeny meeny miny moe  :o
id say you would know all about tr**ps lotto!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 29, 2020, 11:20:20 AM
I'll not start calling people names. Players should be accountable for actions that they partake on the field of play. The abuse that Faloon received from two Kilcoo players and mister nice guy Gilligan. Disgraceful. Brannigan firing cheap shots throughout his career and acts the nice guy off it. He gets he wee digs in at younger players. I've never seen him go for O Hagen Murphy Toner Carr as he knows what he would get
Sickened by reports of what was said
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on August 29, 2020, 03:12:02 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 29, 2020, 11:20:20 AM
I'll not start calling people names. Players should be accountable for actions that they partake on the field of play. The abuse that Faloon received from two Kilcoo players and mister nice guy Gilligan. Disgraceful. Brannigan firing cheap shots throughout his career and acts the nice guy off it. He gets he wee digs in at younger players. I've never seen him go for O Hagen Murphy Toner Carr as he knows what he would get
Sickened by reports of what was said
think he is more than fit for the few guys you named there lol 😆,  jealous much?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 29, 2020, 03:20:45 PM
What the hell is there to be jealous about. I'd rather have my integrity than any amount of medals.
To glorify anything that happened last week and make this Kilcoo team martyrs is insane Champion.
Only a select few know exactly what was said and the truth but seeing the pictures it doesn't look like they are asking the ref to meet for coffee.
#blinkersalwayson
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on August 29, 2020, 04:40:58 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 28, 2020, 05:29:29 PM
Brannigan and ward up in front of disciplinary committee tonight.
What is wrong with these Kilcoo players
Absolutely disgusting comments towards Paul Faloon
Disgusting in the highest order
Regardless of the result that has no place in our games
Ah it would make you cross
Disgusting
A one match ban each, I'm hearing. Maybe someone else could confirm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 29, 2020, 05:16:10 PM
Back to the football.. What a result for Dromara beating St.Johns.. That's a D4 beating a D2 club, St.Johns a bit of a rebuild ahead of them to do before next season or else could en up in Division 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 29, 2020, 06:13:18 PM
Not too many predicted that on the competition Mourne. It was fairly close in the first game as well but don't think St Johns are anywhere near the standard from last few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on August 29, 2020, 07:51:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 28, 2020, 05:29:29 PM
Brannigan and ward up in front of disciplinary committee tonight.
What is wrong with these Kilcoo players
Absolutely disgusting comments towards Paul Faloon
Disgusting in the highest order
Regardless of the result that has no place in our games
Ah it would make you cross
Disgusting

There is no "disciplinary committee" CCC will have proposed a penalty. Players must either accept or request a hearing to the Hearings Committee. This committee will not know the proposed sanction and on evidence presented will determine a penalty which may be greater or less than proposed

By the way well done Dromara. A lot of money spent by St. John's to be beat by a division 4 team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 29, 2020, 11:38:27 PM
Getting away from Kilcoo and their antics, fair play to Dromara , just shows you that championship is all on the day and who wants it more normally comes out on top, as for tomorrow Clonduff 7/4 and Burren 4/1 has to be worth a score!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 30, 2020, 05:41:20 PM
C'mon Burren!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on August 30, 2020, 06:00:17 PM
As much as I wanted to Clonduff to win, the decision by the umpire to say that ball was over the line was shocking.
He was a metre behind the line when he called it, and waved the green flag like he was landing an aircraft. It was worse than Micheal Greenan's decision in 1986 against Pat Donnan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on August 30, 2020, 06:27:27 PM
https://www.facebook.com/111276448908371/posts/3198497556852896/?sfnsn=scwspwa&extid=W8xgYDxTc50BYG4x&d=w&vh=e
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 30, 2020, 06:32:55 PM
I thought from the replays pairc tv showed it was a goal. The bridge should have won despite that. Terrible game management 2 up in injury time with a penalty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on August 30, 2020, 07:43:16 PM
No chance was it a goal in my mind, he never looked to have taken the ball over the line. Big finish from Clonduff but Mayobridge really should have been out of sight.

The production is good but Down crests flashing over the screen late on didn't help. The commentary was also horrendous, a case of how many big words can you get into one sentence.  Bring back Dessie and Patsy  ;D

Let battle commence now and hope we see some football tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on August 30, 2020, 08:27:06 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on August 29, 2020, 07:13:02 AM
Quote from: Lotto on August 28, 2020, 10:09:37 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on August 28, 2020, 10:00:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 28, 2020, 09:49:11 PM
Yes.
Up tonight with suspension hanging over both after comments made towards Paul Faloon
Disgusting comments may I add
which brannigan?

Probably the scumming one who acts like a tr**p on the pitch. Shit, hold on. Eeny meeny miny moe  :o
id say you would know all about tr**ps lotto!

One Brannigan takes Donal O'Hare down and the other drags his boot across his face - yes tramps. Ryan Johnston gets his fake tan smudged and he's down for 5 minutes. 2 types of tramps  ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 30, 2020, 08:36:34 PM
Anyone know what's happening with the postponed game between Carryduff and RGU?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 30, 2020, 08:38:12 PM
O'Hanlon isn't fit at all, needs to come off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 30, 2020, 08:39:32 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 30, 2020, 08:36:34 PM
Anyone know what's happening with the postponed game between Carryduff and RGU?

County Board stayed that any game called off should be played within 3 days of the original fixture else it's a walkover to the other side, so they've broke their own rules.. Up in the air to what's happening
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 30, 2020, 09:11:13 PM
Brannigan threw 3 punches there all caught on camera - that's a lengthy suspension needed.

Instigated it and everyone could see that, no punches thrown until he started it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on August 30, 2020, 09:20:46 PM
Have RGU forfeited their qualifier against Carryduff. No official statement on it but they aren't mentioned in the draw?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Frankie123 on August 30, 2020, 09:30:49 PM
Looks like county board have shafted RGU. Why are RGU put out rather than Carryduff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 30, 2020, 09:38:45 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 30, 2020, 09:11:13 PM
Brannigan threw 3 punches there all caught on camera - that's a lengthy suspension needed.

Instigated it and everyone could see that, no punches thrown until he started it
Kilcoo last week, Burren this week; why can teams not accept defeat gracefully anymore?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 30, 2020, 09:39:54 PM
Quote from: Frankie123 on August 30, 2020, 09:30:49 PM
Looks like county board have shafted RGU. Why are RGU put out rather than Carryduff?

Because they had 2 cases of Coronavirus and the fixture wasn't played within 3 days of the original fixture, this was communicated to all clubs.. It's not fair but unfortunately to keep/play football this year it's what has to be done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on August 30, 2020, 09:44:25 PM
Quote from: befair on August 30, 2020, 09:38:45 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 30, 2020, 09:11:13 PM
Brannigan threw 3 punches there all caught on camera - that's a lengthy suspension needed.

Instigated it and everyone could see that, no punches thrown until he started it
Kilcoo last week, Burren this week; why can teams not accept defeat gracefully anymore?
Rephrase that, Kilcoo last week, Kilcoo and Burren this week. Brannagan threw a number of punches so Kilcoo aren't victims in this. Big difference in players having a thump at one another and the ref needing escorted off, being threatened on and off the field and verbal abuse of a personal and the worst nature being thrown at him. If you talk you got to be prepared to listen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Frankie123 on August 30, 2020, 09:49:17 PM
Original fixture last Monday was cancelled at carryduff's request and rescheduled for Wednesday at carryduffs request.  The rescheduled fixture  was cancelled at Carryduff's request.  I ask again, why Carryduff are in the draw and not the RGU?  The second cancellation occurred before any mention of coronavirus
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on August 30, 2020, 09:51:07 PM
Niall Branagan will certainly be suspended for the quarter final and perhaps even longer. Camera doesn't lie. Decent first half but second half was a bit dour. Some great scores by both teams. Kilcoo the better team. More ruthless in front of goal and worthy winners.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The_big_bad_wolf on August 30, 2020, 09:52:50 PM
Great game in Newry tonight, best team won.  As a long time follower of Down football, how Kevin McKernan & Donal O'Hare are still on a county panel really  baffles me??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on August 30, 2020, 09:57:52 PM
The treatment of RGU is a joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 30, 2020, 10:01:51 PM
Quote from: Frankie123 on August 30, 2020, 09:49:17 PM
Original fixture last Monday was cancelled at carryduff's request and rescheduled for Wednesday at carryduffs request.  The rescheduled fixture  was cancelled at Carryduff's request.  I ask again, why Carryduff are in the draw and not the RGU?  The second cancellation occurred before any mention of coronavirus

Not part of Carryduff or County Board just giving out my opinion on why they were kicked out, that's what I thought the reason was for.. If you want answers coming on a forum you're not in the right place I'd say you should ask your club chairman to contact the county board and get an answer from them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on August 30, 2020, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: Frankie123 on August 30, 2020, 09:49:17 PM
Original fixture last Monday was cancelled at carryduff's request and rescheduled for Wednesday at carryduffs request.  The rescheduled fixture  was cancelled at Carryduff's request.  I ask again, why Carryduff are in the draw and not the RGU?  The second cancellation occurred before any mention of coronavirus
The PHA cancelled Friday's game and shut downpatrick down. If clubs get corona virus outbreaks that is obviously more serious than football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2020, 10:13:09 PM
Carryduff cancelled Monday and Wednesdays. Yes they had a death but what was the reason to cancel the match Wednesday. RGU got to feel hard done by here they have too
Unfortunately for Burren McKernan and O Hare have been coming to an end this while. O Hare still get you 5/6 frees but from general play is not getting many scores.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on August 30, 2020, 10:20:10 PM
If the RGU lads who tested positive for covid/ squad members they were in contact with had played Monday/Wednesday both clubs would be shut for two weeks and lads would've been putting others at risk
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on August 30, 2020, 10:24:43 PM
Great game. Why don't the begrudgers accept the result? From what I could see on line McGoverns couldn't take the beating and struck out at lads offering to shake hands. Faloon may well have motivated Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2020, 10:30:24 PM
They hadn't tested positive Monday or Wednesday so wouldn't have been at any risk to anyone
The question now must be asked why was the game cancelled on Wednesday at Carryduffs request?
Downpatrick have to feel hard done by
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on August 30, 2020, 10:34:19 PM
Well they apparently contracted it last weekend at a house party so they would've still had it regardless of a test. The game should never have been scheduled on Wednesday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 30, 2020, 10:35:50 PM
Good first half but poor enough second half, Kilcoo just squeezed the life out of Burren who were somewhat clueless when it came to the final third of the pitch, things got nasty enough after the final whistle with the referee amazingly showing 1 red card to Shay Mc Ardle, I was at the game and definitely think there was more than 400 there!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on August 30, 2020, 10:46:52 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on August 30, 2020, 10:34:19 PM
Well they apparently contracted it last weekend at a house party so they would've still had it regardless of a test. The game should never have been scheduled on Wednesday

How can you come on here spoofing and lying like that. Was talking to some of the guys on Friday and that is bullshit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2020, 10:47:58 PM
Why should the match not have been scheduled for Wednesday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on August 30, 2020, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2020, 10:47:58 PM
Why should the match not have been scheduled for Wednesday?
Agree
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on August 30, 2020, 11:01:29 PM
Look for reasons personal to the club. The game ideally should be RGU v Carryduff on Tuesday night in Newry and push the rest back a week. Dont see what harm that would do
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2020, 11:04:40 PM
But you said the match shouldn't have been fives for Wednesday??
Why not Wednesday?
Why did Carryduff not play Wednesday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on August 30, 2020, 11:06:17 PM
Ring Sean og and ask him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 30, 2020, 11:08:57 PM
I'm asking you a genuine question as to why it shouldn't have been played Wednesday
Calling it off Monday was the absolute correct decision after the awful death in the Carryduff club
And everyone will agree with that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on August 31, 2020, 12:28:38 PM
Kilcoo better team, no complaints.
RGU shafted, that's not fair.
Clonduff first goal should never have been called
Kilcoo and CPN only two teams left that can win Frank
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on August 31, 2020, 05:14:42 PM
Quote from: downjim on August 31, 2020, 12:28:38 PM
Kilcoo better team, no complaints.
RGU shafted, that's not fair.
Clonduff first goal should never have been called
Kilcoo and CPN only two teams left that can win Frank
agreed,  burren have a lot of rebuilding to do, donal conal Kevin & shay are finished,  actually felt sorry for paddy o rouke last night  ,id say he will walk away now ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 31, 2020, 05:34:59 PM
Still can't get around the Downpatrick situation
They moved the match Monday and Wednesday and now from what I'm hearing Carryduff doing all sorts in the background yesterday so they didn't have to play them. Downpatrick were prepared to play tonight. A lot of county board men hail from Carryduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 31, 2020, 06:13:53 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 31, 2020, 05:34:59 PM
Still can't get around the Downpatrick situation
They moved the match Monday and Wednesday and now from what I'm hearing Carryduff doing all sorts in the background yesterday so they didn't have to play them. Downpatrick were prepared to play tonight. A lot of county board men hail from Carryduff
A lot of County Board men from Carryduff. Who?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 31, 2020, 06:22:34 PM
It was a big shout Smurfy.

Ger Connery Is the East Down chair. That's it from the Duff.


I'd welcome a statement about this from Down county board myself. I fully agree that the show must go on during Covid, and that'll mean some clubs losing out. I'd be curious though at just how close to the line RGU were. We got our entire senior panel tested and cleared in 48 hours a few weeks ago. I'd be hopeful that any club would get 48 hours grace before ejection.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 31, 2020, 07:14:10 PM
Unfair would be to allow the game to go ahead without the due care and attention needed to ensure no other Covid infections occurred. Carryduff surely would have concerns playing the game considering the risk involved- RGU hardly going to challenge for big honours after their first effort so take on the chin and regroup.

Shamrocks are going very well in Inter. Be interesting to see how they fare against Saul. Be a good game to watch I'd say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on August 31, 2020, 09:58:40 PM
First half of last nights game was a great advert for Down football. Second half petered put a little but Kilcoo wont be handing over their title lightly. Conleth and Mickey have them nicely pitched by the look of things. Liam Kerr from Burren and youngest Johnston would both be great additions to next years Down senior squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 31, 2020, 11:52:56 PM
Kerr has been in the Down senior squad since the start of the season while the youngest Johnson is more likely to feature with next year's u20s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on September 01, 2020, 09:05:45 AM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2020/09/01/news/down-left-with-no-choice-but-to-expel-downpatrick-says-devaney-2052535/?fbclid=IwAR2-qMXStl_vwR37RFGG1R2IA3_TE2zJYirp_bIEVz0AG4bHdY4WI-vHVQg (http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2020/09/01/news/down-left-with-no-choice-but-to-expel-downpatrick-says-devaney-2052535/?fbclid=IwAR2-qMXStl_vwR37RFGG1R2IA3_TE2zJYirp_bIEVz0AG4bHdY4WI-vHVQg)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 01, 2020, 11:48:14 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 01, 2020, 09:05:45 AM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2020/09/01/news/down-left-with-no-choice-but-to-expel-downpatrick-says-devaney-2052535/?fbclid=IwAR2-qMXStl_vwR37RFGG1R2IA3_TE2zJYirp_bIEVz0AG4bHdY4WI-vHVQg (http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2020/09/01/news/down-left-with-no-choice-but-to-expel-downpatrick-says-devaney-2052535/?fbclid=IwAR2-qMXStl_vwR37RFGG1R2IA3_TE2zJYirp_bIEVz0AG4bHdY4WI-vHVQg)
Was it wriiten or notified to Clubs this harsh measure?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 01, 2020, 03:23:47 PM
Every club got the championship regulations sent out to them and Section 5 is all about postponements;

5. Postponements
5.1 Applications for postponement of championship fixtures will only be considered by the Competitions Control Committee in the following exceptional circumstances:
(i) Death in the immediate family circle (father, mother, wife, husband, brother, sister or child) of a player. A game due to have been played up to and including the day of the funeral may be postponed under this Regulation. Rescheduled fixtures must take place no later than 72 hours after the funeral.
(ii) A positive COVID-19 test within the club and/or requirement for testing within the club (as determined by the relevant public health authority). Rescheduled fixtures must take place within 72 hours of the original fixture.
5.2 Failure to fulfill a fixture within the provisions of (i) or (ii) above shall result in forfeiture, and award of the game to the opposing team. There shall be no additional penalties.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 01, 2020, 04:56:56 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2020, 03:23:47 PM
Every club got the championship regulations sent out to them and Section 5 is all about postponements;

5. Postponements
5.1 Applications for postponement of championship fixtures will only be considered by the Competitions Control Committee in the following exceptional circumstances:
(i) Death in the immediate family circle (father, mother, wife, husband, brother, sister or child) of a player. A game due to have been played up to and including the day of the funeral may be postponed under this Regulation. Rescheduled fixtures must take place no later than 72 hours after the funeral.
(ii) A positive COVID-19 test within the club and/or requirement for testing within the club (as determined by the relevant public health authority). Rescheduled fixtures must take place within 72 hours of the original fixture.
5.2 Failure to fulfill a fixture within the provisions of (i) or (ii) above shall result in forfeiture, and award of the game to the opposing team. There shall be no additional penalties.
my info is that there was more than one and  I saw earlier a Championship match down South was put off for 10 days due to Covid.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 01, 2020, 05:06:26 PM
This isn't a GAA rule though SamFever. It's Down County Board's bylaws.


And yes we were all made aware of it in advance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 01, 2020, 06:01:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 01, 2020, 05:06:26 PM
This isn't a GAA rule though SamFever. It's Down County Board's bylaws.


And yes we were all made aware of it in advance.
Point taken.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Akinfenwa on September 01, 2020, 06:08:10 PM
I still don't think we've heard the full story on this yet. A few of the RGU players and club members took to Twitter under Down posts, and some implied that they would have been able to fulfil the fixture last night (Monday). This would have been right at the end of the 72 hour window. I also seen one player questioning how the CCC seen that RGU were unable to complete the fixture over the weekend but could play the relegation play off this weekend.

Anyway, Carryduff have been left in a tight spot. Being caught up in all this will have hampered their preparations, and providing they live up to the favourites tag and see off Longstone tonight, there is only 6 days until the quarter final. And Bryansford are no easy task.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 01, 2020, 10:51:13 PM
Senior Championship Relegation playoffs have been pushed back a week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Frankie123 on September 01, 2020, 11:17:05 PM
Are the play offs not where the team has lost a game not where they've been not allowed to play so surely this side of the competition should be scrapped?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 02, 2020, 12:27:30 PM
If RGU win their appeal what will happen the championship? Does anyone know this? It all looks like it could end in a shambles, with the county final not to 27th Sept there could have been a bit of leeway shown to RGU. There is no way this would have been done to Kilcoo, Burren, Bridge, Clonduff etc
Some things have to be called out and RGU are deservely getting sympathy as one of the postponements was not their fault and they showed empathy and support with Carryduff. Rgu have been expelled from SFC by our county board twice in 3 years, their PRO sounded defiant in irish news and rightly so
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 02, 2020, 12:41:22 PM
Quote from: Frankie123 on September 01, 2020, 11:17:05 PM
Are the play offs not where the team has lost a game not where they've been not allowed to play so surely this side of the competition should be scrapped?

Would this obtuse understanding of competition regulations then apply to every competition going forward, or only this year's SFC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 02, 2020, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 02, 2020, 12:27:30 PM
If RGU win their appeal what will happen the championship? Does anyone know this? It all looks like it could end in a shambles, with the county final not to 27th Sept there could have been a bit of leeway shown to RGU. There is no way this would have been done to Kilcoo, Burren, Bridge, Clonduff etc
Some things have to be called out and RGU are deservely getting sympathy as one of the postponements was not their fault and they showed empathy and support with Carryduff. Rgu have been expelled from SFC by our county board twice in 3 years, their PRO sounded defiant in irish news and rightly so

An entire paragraph of supposition.

Personally I'd really like an official timeline on the steps that led to the decision, for it would help those remaining clubs understand that opponents cannot shaft them by demanding or stalling on Covid results.

But until then, it would be better if people didn't try to work out the timeline from random twitter rants.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 02, 2020, 12:58:00 PM
Actually what I've written above is immaterial.

To quote the RGU PRO in the Irish News.

QuotePending a favourable outcome to these tests, we would have been free to play the fixture with Carryduff on Tuesday, September 8.

Are people really expecting the entire championship to be frozen until 8 September?

And what to do we do on 12 September when a small outbreak happens in Kilcoo/CpN/Ballyholland, wherever? I mean if a precedent is set that the tournament will wait a fortnight for RGU, which club in their right mind would not demand the same outcome should they have a small outbreak?

Do people really think that the county board are being biased here? Because if you do, then you don't want a championship to proceed this season. That's what you saying.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 02, 2020, 01:32:22 PM
All clubs knew the repercussions regarding Covid unfortunate or not, and it is unfortunate for Downpatrick, however imo the CB were left with little option moving forward with the time constraints. I do have sympathy for RGU but it's one of those things you have to accept in the current climate and move on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 02, 2020, 01:51:51 PM
 This is the same County Board to use HH's terminology "in the current climate that
1) allowed collective Minor Football Training in Kilbroney during lockdown
2)fully witnessed gross abuse of one of our Referees as did all those watching on Live Stream
3)fully witnessed a mass brawl between two of our Clubs  as did all those watching on Live Stream
but yet an issue which is unprecendented and ironically following on from RGU'S empathy towards Carryduff
in allowing the Carryduff/RGU Game to be postponed twice they now find themselves out of the SFC.
  Strange times in the "current climate"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 02, 2020, 02:08:50 PM
Sam just to be clear.

You'd be okay to restart the Championship on 8 September, with the last backdoor round on say 12 September, and the quarter finals on the weekend of 19 September?

And you'd still be okay with this, even though it sets a precedent that the championship will wait 10-14 days for every club that has a small corona outbreak?

Air your grievances if you must. But don't use them to attack this particular decision.

——

By the way I've nothing but sympathy for RGU. I'd be gutted if this was my own club, particularly as it results in the ultimate booby prize of relegation playoffs.

But the only way through this fucked up year is by applying a criteria that allows the show to roll on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 02, 2020, 03:23:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2020, 02:08:50 PM
Sam just to be clear.

You'd be okay to restart the Championship on 8 September, with the last backdoor round on say 12 September, and the quarter finals on the weekend of 19 September?

And you'd still be okay with this, even though it sets a precedent that the championship will wait 10-14 days for every club that has a small corona outbreak?

Air your grievances if you must. But don't use them to attack this particular decision.

——

By the way I've nothing but sympathy for RGU. I'd be gutted if this was my own club, particularly as it results in the ultimate booby prize of relegation playoffs.

But the only way through this fucked up year is by applying a criteria that allows the show to roll on.

Agree and also complicated by the original fixture being put off due to a funeral in Carryduff.....

Tough luck on RGU.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 02, 2020, 04:38:59 PM
wobbler i understand why the co board have thrown them out but I wonder would this happen to the bigger established division 1 clubs in the county. If 3 kilcoo player gets covid on thursday and PHA say they are our for 7 days do you think they would get thrown out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 02, 2020, 05:00:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 02, 2020, 04:38:59 PM
wobbler i understand why the co board have thrown them out but I wonder would this happen to the bigger established division 1 clubs in the county. If 3 kilcoo player gets covid on thursday and PHA say they are our for 7 days do you think they would get thrown out?

Yes. 100% yes.

What on earth can the Co Board possibly gain by being anything other than that 100% straight on this?



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 02, 2020, 05:07:26 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2020, 05:00:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 02, 2020, 04:38:59 PM
wobbler i understand why the co board have thrown them out but I wonder would this happen to the bigger established division 1 clubs in the county. If 3 kilcoo player gets covid on thursday and PHA say they are our for 7 days do you think they would get thrown out?

Yes. 100% yes.

What on earth can the Co Board possibly gain by being anything other than that 100% straight on this?
What they could gain would be a bit of respect. I'm sure every Club would be sympathetic to Downpatrick's situation especially after the tragedy in Carryduff. and would understand if changes were to occur.You appear quite defensive of the County Board considering your Club's experiences over the years when the lubatic was running the line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 02, 2020, 05:46:49 PM
Quote from: wobbller on September 02, 2020, 05:07:26 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2020, 05:00:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 02, 2020, 04:38:59 PM
wobbler i understand why the co board have thrown them out but I wonder would this happen to the bigger established division 1 clubs in the county. If 3 kilcoo player gets covid on thursday and PHA say they are our for 7 days do you think they would get thrown out?

Yes. 100% yes.

What on earth can the Co Board possibly gain by being anything other than that 100% straight on this?
What they could gain would be a bit of respect. I'm sure every Club would be sympathetic to Downpatrick's situation especially after the tragedy in Carryduff. and would understand if changes were to occur.You appear quite defensive of the County Board considering your Club's experiences over the years when the lubatic was running the line.


I call a spade a spade cousin.

By the way, if you set up competition rules, get the clubs to agree to them, then judiciously decide that the rules don't apply, you don't gain respect. You gain confusion, frustration, anger, and accusations of bias, and at every turn.

If you think otherwise then you've gone soft upstairs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 02, 2020, 06:03:29 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2020, 05:46:49 PM
Quote from: wobbller on September 02, 2020, 05:07:26 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 02, 2020, 05:00:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 02, 2020, 04:38:59 PM
wobbler i understand why the co board have thrown them out but I wonder would this happen to the bigger established division 1 clubs in the county. If 3 kilcoo player gets covid on thursday and PHA say they are our for 7 days do you think they would get thrown out?

Yes. 100% yes.

What on earth can the Co Board possibly gain by being anything other than that 100% straight on this?
What they could gain would be a bit of respect. I'm sure every Club would be sympathetic to Downpatrick's situation especially after the tragedy in Carryduff. and would understand if changes were to occur.You appear quite defensive of the County Board considering your Club's experiences over the years when the lubatic was running the line.


I call a spade a spade cousin.

By the way, if you set up competition rules, get the clubs to agree to them, then judiciously decide that the rules don't apply, you don't gain respect. You gain confusion, frustration, anger, and accusations of bias, and at every turn.

If you think otherwise then you've gone soft upstairs.
A spade it is alright but a disaster for Downpatrick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 02, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
Right decision by the county board and very unlucky on Downpatrick. The only thing i'd be concerned about now is other teams hiding covid cases in the fear of being kicked out of a championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 02, 2020, 06:12:20 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 02, 2020, 06:06:43 PM
Right decision by the county board and very unlucky on Downpatrick. The only thing i'd be concerned about now is other teams hiding covid cases in the fear of being kicked out of a championship

Maybe so. I know I wouldn't be coughing out loud in the next few weeks if it could rule me out, let alone my club out.

But I reckon most people who've been tested have done so because of contact tracing requirements than any flu-like symptoms. That'll be harder to wangle out of.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Frankie123 on September 03, 2020, 04:42:35 PM
If there's a COVID outbreak in one of the eight remaining clubs will the championship still go ahead or will the championship be on hold?  Lol, we'll have a team winning the championship without playing the final mebbee?  Better than Duffys circus! 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 05, 2020, 08:55:46 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 02, 2020, 04:38:59 PM
wobbler i understand why the co board have thrown them out but I wonder would this happen to the bigger established division 1 clubs in the county. If 3 kilcoo player gets covid on thursday and PHA say they are our for 7 days do you think they would get thrown out?
always kilcoo with u downjim 🙈 if kilcoo had covid it will be kept under wraps,  just like burren did with the minor 😉  ,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 05, 2020, 09:09:24 PM
Ballyholland up to their usual tricks in Castlewellan apparently. Video doing the rounds of trouble in the crowd and possibly players jumping the wire, again. You would think they would learn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 06, 2020, 08:15:36 AM
Quote from: Lotto on September 05, 2020, 09:09:24 PM
Ballyholland up to their usual tricks in Castlewellan apparently. Video doing the rounds of trouble in the crowd and possibly players jumping the wire, again. You would think they would learn.

"Apparently" and "possibly" in the same comment. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 06, 2020, 11:06:58 AM
Previous post put about Ballyholland match, a player did jump the fence to confront and fight with island supporters, that's fact , fences were originally put up to keep supporters of the field not to keep players from engaging with supporters and I believe Ballyholland and Bosco were at it at an U13 match, but as always Ballyholland will not be punished, banning their supporters for the rest of the championship and a hefty fine might be appropriate - shame they can't enjoy their team winning a great match without misbehaving , what is it with them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 06, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
Kilcoo to beat Rostrevor comfortably; they were v impressive against Burren, and now have all the refs intimidated. Warrenpoint are strong favs via Clonduff, who were v fortunate vs Mayobridge; but the yellows have plenty of good players, are due a big performance, and will relish being underdogs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 06, 2020, 04:06:24 PM
Huge result for Bredagh in the SHC, beating Ballycran 2-17 to 0-17. Bredagh will still finish bottom of the group but it is their first ever senior championship win over an Ards club. It will take a pretty mature poster to confirm the last time any non Ards team won a championship match - it might be Kilclief but it must be many decades ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 06, 2020, 10:25:08 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on September 06, 2020, 08:15:36 AM
Quote from: Lotto on September 05, 2020, 09:09:24 PM
Ballyholland up to their usual tricks in Castlewellan apparently. Video doing the rounds of trouble in the crowd and possibly players jumping the wire, again. You would think they would learn.

"Apparently" and "possibly" in the same comment. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story  ::)

I wouldn't want to be accused of trolling clubs or individuals but the clip I saw was unclear, hence the ambiguity. Is that ok for you? It is very hard to believe the continued stupidity of some people though.

Warrenpoint there to be taken tonight but Clonduff stepped back and let them in. Fair play to CPN for sticking at it and not panicking. John Boyle ran the show when he came in and got them over the line. Penalties are a terrible way to go out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 06, 2020, 10:36:33 PM
Penalties were a cruel way to end that game!  Clonduff will kick themselves for not taking their chances when clear.

John Boyle was the difference. Came on and completely changed the game. You could see The Point Players get a lift from his introduction. One of the most underrated footballers in Down but by God he can play.

Some game of football for the neutral !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 06, 2020, 10:58:22 PM
Great game tonight; Point were caught on the hop by the Clonduff goals, but gradually pulled it back, John Boyle making the difference when he came on. Kilcoo look increasingly formidable, good players all over the field, and I expect them to be the ultimate winners, esp as the refs are afraid of them,; one of the Branagans clearly punched a Rostrevor player right in front of the stands (and the ref, and the linesman), but the ref only gave a yellow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on September 06, 2020, 11:44:56 PM
I appreciate the difference between watching a game live at Pairc Esler and watching it on TV but I got the distinct impression that Gavin Finnegan awarded frees much easier to the Point than to Clonduff. What did any one at the game think?
Also are there any runes as to who can actually take the penalties? Is it only those who finished the game as in soccer or is it anyone on the named panel ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 07, 2020, 12:06:27 AM
Quote from: Godsown on September 06, 2020, 11:44:56 PM
I appreciate the difference between watching a game live at Pairc Esler and watching it on TV but I got the distinct impression that Gavin Finnegan awarded frees much easier to the Point than to Clonduff. What did any one at the game think?
Also are there any runes as to who can actually take the penalties? Is it only those who finished the game as in soccer or is it anyone on the named panel ?

Yes I also thought Gavin had a poor game and helped get CPN back into the game especially in the 2nd half with soft free after soft free and The yellas getting nothing up the other end.. In saying that it was great entertainment and well worth the £6 and a great effort by both teams..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 07, 2020, 08:54:42 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 06, 2020, 04:06:24 PM
Huge result for Bredagh in the SHC, beating Ballycran 2-17 to 0-17. Bredagh will still finish bottom of the group but it is their first ever senior championship win over an Ards club. It will take a pretty mature poster to confirm the last time any non Ards team won a championship match - it might be Kilclief but it must be many decades ago.

It's the first in my lifetime, I'd say you'd need to go back to the sixties and maybe before for the last non ards winner.

Bredagh had strong minor teams for the last few years and always had quality hurlers coming through the ranks before that.

We drew in normal time with them and managed the point victory in extra time two weeks ago, so they knew they had it in them.

Hope they stick at senior level as it's a far more interesting championship with them in it.


Alas we couldn't avail of the opportunity to take advantage of Ballycrans demise and they still go through to the final against hot favourites Portaferry who beat us yesterday evening. Our lads have only their lack of discipline to blame.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 07, 2020, 09:23:45 AM
What a game last night...don't know if t's due to the coverage and the amount of games we are all getting to watch but I've thoroughly enjoyed the championship this year...

As a neutral I couldn't have asked for better value for £6...PaircTV must be commended on the sterling job they're doing atm, what a brilliant service this has been during a pretty s**t year all in all.

Clonduff will be sick, had another massive opportunity to beat CPN after going 7/8pts up at one point. Even in the second half, they were alays 4/5pts up until the last ten mins. Absolutely crazy that they can't see these games out...I feel for them because they're good lads with real heart and desire and fear absolutely no one...Thought Darren O'Hagan was spectacular throughout but Barry was far far too Wasteful, not like him at all. Big Arthur is always a handful and kicked some lovely scores and took his goal chance really well...some leap. They have to think though it wasn't last night that was their undoing because they were underdogs going in to that game but more so the Bryansford game that they threw away...I don't know what the problem is but they seem to go ahead and then retreat which you don't see the other big teams doing, you wouldn't see Burren or Kilcoo do that too often and it seems a common theme for the yellows. They should have beaten Kilcoo in the semi final last year and never believed they could win it that night. Kilcoo were there for the taking but Clonduff didn't put the foot down after their second goal, would like to see them take it to the next level but can't put my finger on what they need to do to achieve that.

On Warrenpoint, they were far from their best and look a different team with John Boyle not playing...some lift for them and the crowd when he came on...just marshalled the whole defence and made things tick for the point and controlled the tempo of the last 15mins (His score in extra time was unreal). I've seen so much of Warrenpoint last few years and he's been the standout performer for me. That being said, last night won't be good enough to beat the Magpies again but maybe a hard game like that will stand by them. One thing I will say is they have serious metal which couldn't be said about a lot of point teams in the past, they never know when they are beaten and showed serious character again last night so fair play to them.

Penalty shootouts are getting mixed reactions across the country but have to say I really enjoy them, think they're a class way to decide a game for the neutral. Maybe not good for the nerves for both sets of supporters last night but from where I was sitting, I could've watched a shootout all night lol

Ford to win by 4/ tonight I think. Anyone know what's happening with RGU? Are they refusing to play relegation play off?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 07, 2020, 09:47:37 AM
Kilcoo in total control thought the score line flattered Rostrevor. Some posters blaming the ref, clonduff have no one to blame but themselves that point defence was wide open for more goals and they stopped pushing forward when they had 3 goals. Kilcoo will be quite happy with what they saw last night and be confident of retaining the cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 07, 2020, 08:42:01 PM
Bryansford totally imploding tonight. Clonduff hammer Carryduff, Bryansford beat Clonduff, Carryduff hammer Bryansford; makes sense?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 07, 2020, 09:24:30 PM
Warrenpoint v kilcoo. ballyholland v carryduff in semis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 07, 2020, 09:31:24 PM
Carryduff look like they could become a decent outfit over the next few years...they are young and if they stick at it with a few additions will give most there fill of it. Totally deserved to win that match tonight and I like the fact they love a goal..would have been nice to see the 70m effort roll into the net when Reid was playing out the field instead of doing his job (not blaming the goalkeeper - stupid tactic I don't like bring the goalie into the middle of the park). Bryansford were poor all over and very disappointing - 1 player missing for them was David McKibben? injured? Wouldn't have won it with him but would have helped. Congrats Carryduff - potential Championship Final with Ballyholland now in semi final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 07, 2020, 09:46:26 PM
Clonduff completely outplayed Bryansford for 45 minutes. The Ford have went back a lot over the years and are a pale shadow of the teams they used to have.
Some draws tonight. One of the big 2 going out. Some twists yet I would say
Where does Poacher and co go from here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 07, 2020, 09:51:38 PM
Quote from: thebar on September 07, 2020, 09:31:24 PM
Carryduff look like they could become a decent outfit over the next few years...they are young and if they stick at it with a few additions will give most there fill of it. Totally deserved to win that match tonight and I like the fact they love a goal..would have been nice to see the 70m effort roll into the net when Reid was playing out the field instead of doing his job (not blaming the goalkeeper - stupid tactic I don't like bring the goalie into the middle of the park). Bryansford were poor all over and very disappointing - 1 player missing for them was David McKibben? injured? Wouldn't have won it with him but would have helped. Congrats Carryduff - potential Championship Final with Ballyholland now in semi final.
Mckibben doesn't get on with the management team. heard he was training with the stone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 07, 2020, 09:57:45 PM
Quote from: PTC on September 07, 2020, 09:51:38 PM
Quote from: thebar on September 07, 2020, 09:31:24 PM
Carryduff look like they could become a decent outfit over the next few years...they are young and if they stick at it with a few additions will give most there fill of it. Totally deserved to win that match tonight and I like the fact they love a goal..would have been nice to see the 70m effort roll into the net when Reid was playing out the field instead of doing his job (not blaming the goalkeeper - stupid tactic I don't like bring the goalie into the middle of the park). Bryansford were poor all over and very disappointing - 1 player missing for them was David McKibben? injured? Wouldn't have won it with him but would have helped. Congrats Carryduff - potential Championship Final with Ballyholland now in semi final.
Mckibben doesn't get on with the management team. heard he was training with the stone
Didn't realise that some miss. I think it about time someone went up to the stone and looked him back!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 08, 2020, 09:16:07 AM
Think if you asked most decent lads to play for that management team they'd struggle...can't for the life of me understand The Ford selling their soul to bring those coaches on board...ford were in my opinion of the few pure footballing teams left in Down, it's a pity now that all teams seem to be happy doing whatever it takes as long as it means winning matches, even if that meant grinding out a 0-4 to 0-03 win.

Ballyholland to beat Carryduff for me but that'll be a seriously tight game...CPN-Kilcoo to go to penalties :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on September 08, 2020, 12:02:19 PM
Downjim, any truth in the rumour that 4 Burren players got suspended for their behaviour after their exit from the championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 08, 2020, 01:36:04 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on September 08, 2020, 12:02:19 PM
Downjim, any truth in the rumour that 4 Burren players got suspended for their behaviour after their exit from the championship?

If that's the case then why haven't Kilcoo players been suspended all caught on camera.

Is the season over for clubs after exiting Championship? Seems to be a few clubs have broke off for the season - I know there is a league game or 2 remaining but there just friendlies for clubs with no chance of winning the league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Frankie123 on September 08, 2020, 02:18:29 PM
I see Leitrim have Covid 19 cases and wish them speedy recovery.  They do not have to isolate and can play their semifinal this weekend .  How does this differ from the RGU position  earlier when the RGU were forced out of the championship?   Good luck to Liatroim but could someone explain please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Frankie123 on September 08, 2020, 02:27:17 PM
Apologies for misnaming Liatroim as it's Liatroim Gaels.  I still ask the question though, how can this club continue as usual?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on September 08, 2020, 03:23:36 PM
Quote from: Frankie123 on September 08, 2020, 02:27:17 PM
Apologies for misnaming Liatroim as it's Liatroim Gaels.  I still ask the question though, how can this club continue as usual?

Some clown. For clarity, this is not related to Liatroim Fontenoys, but a club in county Leitrim.

I would say your query would be best directed to Connacht GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Frankie123 on September 08, 2020, 04:13:43 PM
You should've read both posts and seeing as you're such a know it all surely you can answer the question.  One organisation?  One set of rules?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 08, 2020, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: Frankie123 on September 08, 2020, 04:13:43 PM
You should've read both posts and seeing as you're such a know it all surely you can answer the question.  One organisation?  One set of rules?

What did the Ulster Council tell you on friday night?

FWIW, each county can have its own bylaws which were published prior to the championship..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 08, 2020, 04:29:18 PM
Quote from: Frankie123 on September 08, 2020, 04:13:43 PM
You should've read both posts and seeing as you're such a know it all surely you can answer the question.  One organisation?  One set of rules?

It's not a weakness to be able to admit you were wrong.

Most would see it as a strength.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on September 08, 2020, 05:08:53 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 08, 2020, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: Frankie123 on September 08, 2020, 04:13:43 PM
You should've read both posts and seeing as you're such a know it all surely you can answer the question.  One organisation?  One set of rules?

What did the Ulster Council tell you on friday night?

FWIW, each county can have its own bylaws which were published prior to the championship..

The thing to understand is that it's not the GAA who define a Covid 'outbreak' and the resulting containment protocols.

So the Down CB set a 72 hour rule which applied to RGU (unfortunately for them).

But in the 6 counties the PHA is the body that will decide if players have to self isolate.

I don't know what the exact situation was in the case of RGU, but the PHA must have deemed enough players to be close contacts or tested positive to have caused RGU not to be able to field.

Similarly in the case alluded to in an earlier post with Burren minors a player tested positive but was deemed to be a casual contact  - so the team could play on (although they postponed a game while waiting on PHA advice),but the player and his close contacts would have to self isolate. Also I heard ML Connolly (BBC health journalist) who's son plays for Bredagh recount exactly the same situation as the Burren one to a health expert on the BBC last week with the same outcome.

Ultimately the PHA don't care if you're a GAA club or a choir or a tiddly winks club - they'll just look at the evidence and advise accordingly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 09, 2020, 07:44:41 PM
Much as I would like cpn to win. After watching the clonduff v cpn game back I think paddy power has the odds about right with kilcoo 1/2 and cpn 2/1. After all this is the best kilcoo team ever, reigning ulster champions and very close to winning an all Ireland. Kilcoo by 3 or 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 10, 2020, 12:45:02 PM
Watched the great Podcast last night, have to say been finding it very enjoyable. Mark Doran been a breath of fresh air on it too, very unbiased and talks sense. Have to agree with the predictions of the panel in general. I think Carryduff will give the Harps their fill of it but maybe this game has come a year or two too early...seem to have a bright future ahead though.

The Main event will be interesting. Kilcoo will be really up for this and can see a heavy reaction to their defeat earlier in the year. CPN will have no fear though, they're the gutsiest team I've seen outside of Kilcoo in the last ten years...absolute power and speed everywhere and I genuinely don't see any weaknesses in either side...Will all come down to who gets the 50/50 balls and wins the dirty ball. Think the referee will have a massive impact on the result too. If Barry or Sharvin refer the game the point are done for. If Con Reynolds, the game make for a better spectacle IMO.

Kilcoo to win on penalties and Harps to win in ET...Here's hoping for a great day of football for the neutrals   ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 13, 2020, 12:53:45 PM
Ballyholland might be too cute and battle-hardened for Carryduff; great to see a new and rising club, with so much potential for the future, but they may have been flattered by Bryansford's early capitulation. Kilcoo also may have been flattered by their stroll against Rostrevor, where they were kicking points from all angles, while CPN will have learned a lot from their quarter-final. Their build-up was painfully slow and they really seemed to be struggling, yet showed tremendous fortitude to come back from 3 snap goals (a stark contrast to the Bryansford reaction). Still the Magpies remain formidable; not just 5 Branagans now, but 3 Johnsons (and the ref, of course).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on September 13, 2020, 01:06:08 PM
Two good games hopefully coming up today. Can't see there being much between the teams come the end of each game.

Fingers crossed our men do it against Warrenpoint, will be a fiercely contested game. #UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 13, 2020, 04:59:01 PM
Well done to Carryduff; great achievement to make the final. They'll be huge underdogs, but nothing to lose
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 13, 2020, 05:14:14 PM
Quote from: befair on September 13, 2020, 04:59:01 PM
Well done to Carryduff; great achievement to make the final. They'll be huge underdogs, but nothing to lose
Thought Carryduff would win the game in the 60 minutes but getting the game to extra time i thought Ballyhollands experiance would see them through but fair play to a young Carryduff team. Hopefully they will put all that great work at underage and u20/21 to good use and be a real force in Down for the next decade
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on September 13, 2020, 06:40:07 PM
Well done to the Duff. Great achievement so far and they are great value for it. But by God that was a real Ballyholland love in from the Pairc TV commentary team .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 13, 2020, 06:50:15 PM
Massive game for us here. The nerves are not good. Setting off here now for what will be a mighty battle but we need to improve on last weeks performance
Ballyholland will be kicking themselves they couldn't make the final. They got a dream route to the final. Well done Carryduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: delgany on September 13, 2020, 06:57:01 PM
Up the 'Duff !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on September 13, 2020, 07:13:45 PM
UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 13, 2020, 09:05:56 PM
The penalty just about kept CPN in it, but Kilcoo are different class to everyone else in Down; much better than last year, so it's a shame there's no Ulster club championship this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 13, 2020, 09:56:25 PM
We simply never turned up and Kilcoo ran away with it. In the early stages we missed some very easy chances and only for Gary McMahon the game would have been over at half time.

Kilcoo were prepared to attack The Point directly when in posession, whereas we laboured around too much and over complicated things. Too many boys stood of their opposite number , whereas Kilcoo got in our faces and forced turnovers.

We are a better team than tonights showing and hopefully it is a lesson we will learn from.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 13, 2020, 10:28:11 PM
Kilcoo were exceptional tonight and all the indications are that they are better than last season. Their squad has been strengthened by the return of Doherty, who was excellent this evening, and Greenan, who gives them options at midfield, while O'Hanlon will be another huge addition when he is fully fit. They are very unfortunate that there is no Ulster championship this year, as they would almost certainly have retained it and given the All Ireland a big rattle. It is a big achievement for Carryduff to get to a Down final but it would be a major surprise if they get anywhere close to Kilcoo. The Point were clearly drained by the extra time and penalties last week and didn't really turn up tonight. They probably should have won the 2019 Down SFC but it could be a while before they get a similar chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 13, 2020, 11:10:48 PM
Kilcoo cruised to final, they had too much all over the field. The point were disappointing but are much better than they showed tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 14, 2020, 12:02:50 AM
Beat by a better team. Was always going to be hard the second time around
Good luck to Kilcoo in the final
Hard one to take
Proud of our lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 14, 2020, 01:05:31 PM
The Point shouldn't be too deflated. They have great potential; decent-sized town, well-established club, plenty of numbers at under-age, good men at the top, fewer players being poached by Burren; I can see them winning championships in the near future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 14, 2020, 01:15:08 PM
Our underage wouldn't be near as strong as this generation. I think we need to win something with this group or it may be a very long time. Hats of to Kilcoo they were by far the better team. The draw for us was very tough we played all top teams. Every match was a real battle. Hopefully we can recover
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on September 14, 2020, 04:03:40 PM
Fair play to Kilcoo last night. Different quality altogether compared to CPN.

However, having just watched the highlights of the Armagh final, 1 thing, as per usual with Kilcoo, is how often they go down, clutching their face...

Prime example, being 1:38-1:40 in bbc highlights.

Ward offloads the ball, turns his back to back into point player, contact, then goes down holding his face....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 14, 2020, 08:58:30 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on September 14, 2020, 04:03:40 PM
Fair play to Kilcoo last night. Different quality altogether compared to CPN.

However, having just watched the highlights of the Armagh final, 1 thing, as per usual with Kilcoo, is how often they go down, clutching their face...

Prime example, being 1:38-1:40 in bbc highlights.

Ward offloads the ball, turns his back to back into point player, contact, then goes down holding his face....
yip agree 100% they're the only team I've ever seen doing that 🤣🙈 not! Sour grapes maybe?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 15, 2020, 10:11:05 AM
Well done Kilcoo...one thing about the Point men, they are gracious in victory and defeat. They are not as bad as they looked the other night but Kilcoo were magnificent. If only we could get some of those lads playing regularly for Down, from Warrenpoint there has to be a few lads getting a call from Paddy Tally. Adam Lynch is one of the most underrated players in Down and there are a few others too that I'd have in with the county. From Kilcoo you could name 13 or 14 men in fairness lol

Good luck to the Magpies in the final, well deserved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oakleaflad on September 15, 2020, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 13, 2020, 10:28:11 PM
Kilcoo were exceptional tonight and all the indications are that they are better than last season. Their squad has been strengthened by the return of Doherty, who was excellent this evening, and Greenan, who gives them options at midfield, while O'Hanlon will be another huge addition when he is fully fit. They are very unfortunate that there is no Ulster championship this year, as they would almost certainly have retained it and given the All Ireland a big rattle. It is a big achievement for Carryduff to get to a Down final but it would be a major surprise if they get anywhere close to Kilcoo. The Point were clearly drained by the extra time and penalties last week and didn't really turn up tonight. They probably should have won the 2019 Down SFC but it could be a while before they get a similar chance.
That's a while statement. Almost certainly? Ulster titles aren't just handed out, they'd have been in the mix with 3 or 4 other teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 15, 2020, 10:26:30 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on September 15, 2020, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 13, 2020, 10:28:11 PM
Kilcoo were exceptional tonight and all the indications are that they are better than last season. Their squad has been strengthened by the return of Doherty, who was excellent this evening, and Greenan, who gives them options at midfield, while O'Hanlon will be another huge addition when he is fully fit. They are very unfortunate that there is no Ulster championship this year, as they would almost certainly have retained it and given the All Ireland a big rattle. It is a big achievement for Carryduff to get to a Down final but it would be a major surprise if they get anywhere close to Kilcoo. The Point were clearly drained by the extra time and penalties last week and didn't really turn up tonight. They probably should have won the 2019 Down SFC but it could be a while before they get a similar chance.
That's a while statement. Almost certainly? Ulster titles aren't just handed out, they'd have been in the mix with 3 or 4 other teams.

Derrygonnely harps almost beat kilcoo in the early stages. Tough competition alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 15, 2020, 01:24:48 PM
Quote from: ardtole on September 15, 2020, 10:26:30 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on September 15, 2020, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 13, 2020, 10:28:11 PM
Kilcoo were exceptional tonight and all the indications are that they are better than last season. Their squad has been strengthened by the return of Doherty, who was excellent this evening, and Greenan, who gives them options at midfield, while O'Hanlon will be another huge addition when he is fully fit. They are very unfortunate that there is no Ulster championship this year, as they would almost certainly have retained it and given the All Ireland a big rattle. It is a big achievement for Carryduff to get to a Down final but it would be a major surprise if they get anywhere close to Kilcoo. The Point were clearly drained by the extra time and penalties last week and didn't really turn up tonight. They probably should have won the 2019 Down SFC but it could be a while before they get a similar chance.
That's a while statement. Almost certainly? Ulster titles aren't just handed out, they'd have been in the mix with 3 or 4 other teams.

Derrygonnely harps almost beat kilcoo in the early stages. Tough competition alright.
"almost beat them"?🙈" nearly "never bulled the cow 🤣
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 18, 2020, 07:16:34 AM
It has been a great championship this year but the one thing that stands out is the county player not standing out with the exception of say a Jerome Johnstone.
You look through all the county lads and they do not stand out when playing club football
Why is that?
I see Tally is sticking with the same squad after coming out with he will pick players how they play in the championship?
If that was the case some very high profile players in Down would not be on it
Kilcoo have been superb this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 18, 2020, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 18, 2020, 07:16:34 AM
It has been a great championship this year but the one thing that stands out is the county player not standing out with the exception of say a Jerome Johnstone.
You look through all the county lads and they do not stand out when playing club football
Why is that?
I see Tally is sticking with the same squad after coming out with he will pick players how they play in the championship?
If that was the case some very high profile players in Down would not be on it
Kilcoo have been superb this year.
Sorry did I miss that or Has Tally said that? or is it your opinion that he wont add to squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 18, 2020, 01:39:03 PM
I'd imagine that if the league wasn't being finished out, or if securing promotion didn't matter so much, there would be a strong handful of players he would have a good look at.

But truth is, there is a job to be done in 4 week's time, and he'd be a bit of a mad bastard to try to develop a nucleus of new players into a style in that time. We might see 1 or 2. That's it's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on September 18, 2020, 01:46:37 PM
Coverage from pairc tv this year has been excellent giving people a chance to see teams and players they normally wouldn't have got to see much off. A list of some of the best players from each team in this year's championship so far:

Kilcoo: 3 Johnston's, 5 brannigans, Ryan mcevoy, Dylan ward
Wpoint: lynch,p Murdock, 2 boyles, Magee,c macartan,mcgarry,
Carryduff: mcgeough, beattie, 2 Guinness, Tunney, McGrath
Burren: L Kerr, s fegan, g McGovern, c toner, r treanor
Clonduff: 2 ohagans, Ryan Brannigan, Tom close,Arthur,p lively
Ford: d savage,Lewis casement, ohiggins
Lisland: j Flynn, r mason, a mcclements, c Turley
Bholland: m walsh,s loughran,j McGovern, b and r Campbell
Dpk: g Collins, t prenter
Rostervor: Mooney, a McMahon j fegan , c Gordon
Bridge: C Smyth, c Quinn, k mclorey
Glenn: jack and shay mccartan, j ohare
Bredagh: Donal hughes
Longstone: m Poland,harrison, c doran,Finn McElroy

Feel free to add. Hopefully some of the lads above get a chance with the county if they haven't already.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 19, 2020, 04:32:22 PM
Burren minors deserve a mention today. After a cake walk of a championship for them. Not 1 team was able to give them a game.  Congrats. Hope the county minors can capitalise from this group of players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 19, 2020, 06:51:57 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 19, 2020, 04:32:22 PM
Burren minors deserve a mention today. After a cake walk of a championship for them. Not 1 team was able to give them a game.  Congrats. Hope the county minors can capitalise from this group of players.

Seen some photos of the team from the Down Facebook page, looks to have been serious S&C done with them when you compare them to other minor teams around the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 19, 2020, 06:53:07 PM
Has this Burren team ever lost lost a game at this age group?

I can't remember it happening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 19, 2020, 07:01:32 PM
Lloyd, that's 60 names and I'd rule out quite a number of them as not good enough for county.
Others I wouldn't include due to their indiscretions a few weeks ago.
Think Hynes in goal is a contender not mentioned from Carryduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on September 19, 2020, 07:26:48 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 19, 2020, 07:01:32 PM
Lloyd, that's 60 names and I'd rule out quite a number of them as not good enough for county.
Others I wouldn't include due to their indiscretions a few weeks ago.
Think Hynes in goal is a contender not mentioned from Carryduff.

Yes agreed but certainly wasn't saying they are all county standard or should be with the county?I was just highlighting stand out players from the games I had seen in my own opinion but think there are certainly a few named that should be looked at and I'm sure they will be. Apologies to darragh cross and Castlewellan but just didn't get seeing any of their games.

In terms of indiscretions as you put it im not sure how this means that they didn't perform well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on September 19, 2020, 10:55:06 PM
County Final tomorrow , the biggest turn off in decades.

Zero interest in it with that club from The East against the weakest team ever to reach a final.

Thankfully this season is over and a very disappointing one , how that draw was made is unbelievable.

Just no buzz about 'Point or Newry and it is not good for Down.

Anyone else here feel such a damp squib the final is ?



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on September 19, 2020, 11:38:44 PM
Kilcoo prove they are worthy champions by beating top teams on way to final. Carryduff show further evidence of their peogress curve by getting to first senior final...but theres no buzz in Newry or Warrenpoint. Embrace it Yewtree, the two teams in the final are there on merit!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 19, 2020, 11:45:34 PM
Quote from: bannside on September 19, 2020, 11:38:44 PM
Kilcoo prove they are worthy champions by beating top teams on way to final. Carryduff show further evidence of their peogress curve by getting to first senior final...but theres no buzz in Newry or Warrenpoint. Embrace it Yewtree, the two teams in the final are there on merit!
exactly, the best team in the county against an up and coming Carryduff team, 2 teams there on merit. why should the county final be about a buzz round the point or Newry? Kilcoo to win by 5 or 6, hopefully Carryduff can make a decent game of it and I think they can.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 20, 2020, 08:16:01 AM
Yewtree the reason there's no buzz around the Point or Newry might just be because people have certain other things on their minds.
All the  players and mentors across the four codes have put in tremendous efforts in the most challenging of circumstances to give the people enjoyment and excitement. The county board, referees and all involved with Pairc TV deserve great praise for reminding us what's important during the most difficult of times. You're the sort of boy who loves sitting in the dark complaining rather than turning on the light.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on September 20, 2020, 08:23:33 AM
Quote from: yewtree on September 19, 2020, 10:55:06 PM
County Final tomorrow , the biggest turn off in decades.

Zero interest in it with that club from The East against the weakest team ever to reach a final.

Thankfully this season is over and a very disappointing one , how that draw was made is unbelievable.

Just no buzz about 'Point or Newry and it is not good for Down.

Anyone else here feel such a damp squib the final is ?
id say there's great buzz down round Belfast though, 3 city teams appearing in their respective county finals,  if we were  2 pick the 2 best teams to play in the senior county final it would be kilcoo A v kilcoo B
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on September 20, 2020, 09:23:04 AM
Haven't posted here since before the semi final. A special mention to Warrenpoint, always enjoy playing them, no oul shite and play hard attacking football. They are gracious in victory and defeat and I really feel this team are capable of a senior championship. The previous game going to penalties definitely had an impact on their performance but our men were exceptional and took advantage of this. There will be more battles in the years to come.

Onto today's final, looking forward to it against Carryduff. Not sure what to expect, but certainly not expecting an easy game or a walkover as it is being reported in the news. No pressure on them as they have earned the right to be in the final and as we all know anything can happen. Their underage set up has been magnificent over the last 10-15 years and they are starting to see the rewards of it now at senior level. Great to see a new club into the final and driving through Carryduff having flags and banners up on they way to work is class.

We will be hard to live with if we play like we did in the semi final. This Carryduff team have an eye for a goal and if we nulify that and take our own chances then Frank O'Hare should be staying in Kilcoo for another year, fingers crossed.

Been a funny oul year not being able to have bigger crowds at games and that. The scramble for tickets has been brutal for this game, can I just give a special mention to Pairc TV. Their coverage of championship games has been fantastic and a special mention to Patsy Russell. The man is like our own wee national county treasure with his commentary. I've not got a ticket for tonight but looking forward to viewing from home. Pairc TV well done on the service all year.

All the best to our men in black and white today, up the mighty magpies.

#UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 20, 2020, 12:59:48 PM
Best of luck to Drumgath today in the intermediate final. Bring it home lads!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 20, 2020, 04:25:54 PM
Quote from: yewtree on September 19, 2020, 10:55:06 PM
County Final tomorrow , the biggest turn off in decades.

Zero interest in it with that club from The East against the weakest team ever to reach a final.

Thankfully this season is over and a very disappointing one , how that draw was made is unbelievable.

Just no buzz about 'Point or Newry and it is not good for Down.

Anyone else here feel such a damp squib the final is ?

;D you've been missed fella!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 20, 2020, 08:46:31 PM
Bit of a damp squib the Senior game in my opinion - Kilcoo always likely too win it

But in terms of the intermediate, what a Championship run from Saul, they've played excellent football along the way and for the losses the club has suffered over the past 12 months it was brilliant to see them win it. The emotion at the end in the captains speech said it all, no doubt they'll celebrate tonight and deservedly so.

Had my battles with them through the years but glad they done it today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 20, 2020, 10:23:29 PM
That's 9 championship medals for a lot of them kilcoo lads, how many does shorty have?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 20, 2020, 10:25:45 PM
I believe its 10...I think some of those Kilcoo lads could end up with quite a few more yet not much to touch them in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 20, 2020, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: PTC on September 20, 2020, 10:23:29 PM
That's 9 championship medals for a lot of them kilcoo lads, how many does shorty have?
10
You'd fancy a lot of them kilcoo players like Jerome, PD and maybe the older guys like aidan/niall brannigan and laverty to go on and beat that record
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 20, 2020, 11:52:04 PM
Exceptional championship from Kilcoo.

They make the game look easy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 21, 2020, 09:23:53 AM
Quarantine the Bridge for 3 months
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on September 21, 2020, 10:02:25 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 19, 2020, 06:53:07 PM
Has this Burren team ever lost lost a game at this age group?

I can't remember it happening.

Won u12 league u14 league and champ, u16 league and champ and now u17.

Plus county and national feile u14. U16 mcgirr.

Only blip was u16 league  - but that was an unusual situation in that they entered 2 teams (split their 'A' team players evenly between the 2 teams) I think in the league stages 1 team drew with Bredagh and one lost (can't remember exactly). The 2 Burren teams met in semi and them won the league.

But when the full team was together they haven't lost a game that I can remember.

As for S&C - don't think Burren would do any more than any other club (but could be wrong). But most of these boys are in county squads and school teams. So the combination of S&C over 3 squads might make a difference I suppose.

But bottom line - they're all good footballers - and extremely well organised.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on September 21, 2020, 08:29:36 PM
All very predictable yesterday and a very deflated day.

Kilcoo won comfortable without getting out of 3rd gear , really wish we could have had a better team in the final to see if they would have had mettle for Burren in a final.

The draw gave us a lame-duck final. Carryduff were very weak.Still not convinced by Kilcoo.

Next year Burren or 'Point will be able to finally bring Frank O'Hare to where it belongs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 21, 2020, 08:37:03 PM
A brilliant Burren underage team who have won all around them with ease
The big question is will the be able to bring them through to seniors and be successful
Ourselves Kilcoo and Mayobridge brought through great underage teams who went on to become successful
That's the big question here
We will wait and see
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 21, 2020, 08:53:18 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 21, 2020, 08:37:03 PM
A brilliant Burren underage team who have won all around them with ease
The big question is will the be able to bring them through to seniors and be successful
Ourselves Kilcoo and Mayobridge brought through great underage teams who went on to become successful
That's the big question here
We will wait and see

Being successful means winning things, what have you actually won Smurfy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on September 21, 2020, 09:02:48 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 21, 2020, 08:37:03 PM
A brilliant Burren underage team who have won all around them with ease
The big question is will the be able to bring them through to seniors and be successful
Ourselves Kilcoo and Mayobridge brought through great underage teams who went on to become successful
That's the big question here
We will wait and see

What a stupid arrogant post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 21, 2020, 09:18:47 PM
Won under 21s and got to the final of a senior championship
I would put our youth success closely behind Mayobridge and Kilcoo
Maybe just not as successful but not to far off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 21, 2020, 09:40:27 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 21, 2020, 09:18:47 PM
Won under 21s and got to the final of a senior championship
I would put our youth success closely behind Mayobridge and Kilcoo
Maybe just not as successful but not to far off

Just about 8 championships behind. Rein it in Smurfy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on September 21, 2020, 09:41:27 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 21, 2020, 09:18:47 PM
Won under 21s and got to the final of a senior championship
I would put our youth success closely behind Mayobridge and Kilcoo
Maybe just not as successful but not to far off

Carryduff won 4x U21 and got to a SFC final. Don't think you will hear any of them coming out with that b/s. When did Point last win SFC which would be a measure of success . I'm sure you have a few black and white photops somewhere
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 21, 2020, 10:03:46 PM
Quote from: yewtree on September 21, 2020, 08:29:36 PM
All very predictable yesterday and a very deflated day.

Kilcoo won comfortable without getting out of 3rd gear , really wish we could have had a better team in the final to see if they would have had mettle for Burren in a final.

The draw gave us a lame-duck final. Carryduff were very weak.Still not convinced by Kilcoo.

Next year Burren or 'Point will be able to finally bring Frank O'Hare to where it belongs.
Did carryduff lose by anymore than kilcoo beat burren or warrenpoint by?? Monday club must be open again. That's a laughable post yewtree even for you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 21, 2020, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: yewtree on September 21, 2020, 08:29:36 PM
All very predictable yesterday and a very deflated day.

Kilcoo won comfortable without getting out of 3rd gear , really wish we could have had a better team in the final to see if they would have had mettle for Burren in a final.

The draw gave us a lame-duck final. Carryduff were very weak.Still not convinced by Kilcoo.

Next year Burren or 'Point will be able to finally bring Frank O'Hare to where it belongs.
The pick of Burren and the Point combined wouldn't beat Kilcoo, honestly can see Kilcoo winning the championship for the next 3/4 years!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 21, 2020, 10:12:17 PM
Kilcoo looked as fresh this year as they have in a long time and now have a youthful looking team again.  Whilst they will lose the leadership of a couple of Brannigans sooner rather than later they will still be the team to beat for a while to come.

However to say they would beat the pick of Burren and Point is being a WUM at best or plain stupid at worst.

Does anyone have a record of the minor championship winners from the last 10 years ? How many of those have Warrenpoint won ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on September 21, 2020, 10:16:40 PM
I think Warrenpoint have won a grand total of 1 MFC in the last 10 years, in 2012. If I'm not wrong, Burren have won 4 of the last 7 and been beaten in 2 finals and semi final in that time. Rostrevor have 2 or 3, Ballyholland have 1 and Kilcoo might make up the rest?

2010 - Kilcoo beat ? in final
2011 - Kilcoo beat Point in final
2012 - Point beat Burren
2013 - Rostrevor beat ?
2014 - Burren beat Shamrocks
2015 - Rostrevor beat Shamrocks
2016 - Burren beat Clonduff
2017 - Burren beat ?
2018 - Ballyholland beat Burren
2019 - Kilcoo beat Burren
2020 - Burren beat Bredagh

It's a pretty poor return for Burren in the SFC when you look at it like that, especially considering they won 2 SFCs in 2010/11, two Ulster U21s around that time and an Ulster MFC in 2016 too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on September 21, 2020, 10:22:51 PM
Quote from: yewtree on September 21, 2020, 08:29:36 PM
All very predictable yesterday and a very deflated day.

Kilcoo won comfortable without getting out of 3rd gear , really wish we could have had a better team in the final to see if they would have had mettle for Burren in a final.

The draw gave us a lame-duck final. Carryduff were very weak.Still not convinced by Kilcoo.

Next year Burren or 'Point will be able to finally bring Frank O'Hare to where it belongs.
l see Kilcoo have won 8 of the last 9 championships, what would they need to do to convince you Yewtree?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 21, 2020, 11:07:29 PM
Won under 21s
As exciting a team as anyone in Down this long long time
We play a free flowing brand of football some of which hasn't been seen in years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on September 21, 2020, 11:49:53 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 21, 2020, 11:07:29 PM
Won under 21s
As exciting a team as anyone in Down this long long time
We play a free flowing brand of football some of which hasn't been seen in years

No Cojones for the big prize
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 22, 2020, 09:09:07 AM
Serious questions people, with the virus seemingly shutting down a lot of clubs in south Down and with it spreading. Can we see the leagues being finished? Do you think the county board will scrap the remaining league games and reserve championships? Will there be any outrage if this happens?

* Smurfy do not mention a team who has not won a major in 70 years with the traditional heavyweights in Down football, good man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 22, 2020, 11:27:42 AM
Quote from: downjim on September 22, 2020, 09:09:07 AM
Serious questions people, with the virus seemingly shutting down a lot of clubs in south Down and with it spreading. Can we see the leagues being finished? Do you think the county board will scrap the remaining league games and reserve championships? Will there be any outrage if this happens?

* Smurfy do not mention a team who has not won a major in 70 years with the traditional heavyweights in Down football, good man.

Think Clubs/County Board will try and finish it if they can, big appetite from supporters to see more matches especially with how good the Championship games have been.. From a player perspective there'll be little outrage from us if it's scrapped we can't get promoted or relegated so its basically a couple of kick-abouts that need to be fulfilled.

We can use those couple of weeks as downtime to reset and get started on S&C for 2021

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 22, 2020, 05:19:31 PM
No need for the leagues to be finished putting everything into perspective.

Got a good run at it and the main events bar replayed hurling final are done.

Quit while you're head.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on September 23, 2020, 08:41:47 AM
Quote from: supersub on September 22, 2020, 05:19:31 PM
No need for the leagues to be finished putting everything into perspective.

Got a good run at it and the main events bar replayed hurling final are done.

Quit while you're head.

None of the intermediate or junior hurling championship games have even started yet. I know most of this county don't give a stuff but if the pin is pulled now that's going to be harsh on those players. Not to start until 11th October.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 23, 2020, 09:12:14 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 23, 2020, 08:41:47 AM
Quote from: supersub on September 22, 2020, 05:19:31 PM
No need for the leagues to be finished putting everything into perspective.

Got a good run at it and the main events bar replayed hurling final are done.

Quit while you're head.

None of the intermediate or junior hurling championship games have even started yet. I know most of this county don't give a stuff but if the pin is pulled now that's going to be harsh on those players. Not to start until 11th October.
What's the reason for the intermediate and junior starting so late? Is it dual players?. Both should be finished out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on September 23, 2020, 12:15:23 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 23, 2020, 09:12:14 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 23, 2020, 08:41:47 AM
Quote from: supersub on September 22, 2020, 05:19:31 PM
No need for the leagues to be finished putting everything into perspective.

Got a good run at it and the main events bar replayed hurling final are done.

Quit while you're head.

None of the intermediate or junior hurling championship games have even started yet. I know most of this county don't give a stuff but if the pin is pulled now that's going to be harsh on those players. Not to start until 11th October.
What's the reason for the intermediate and junior starting so late? Is it dual players?. Both should be finished out.
They said they couldn't play it round the football championships. There would be an odd duel player but not many. I think they were worried about referee shortage too when the plan was put in place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 23, 2020, 02:15:41 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 23, 2020, 12:15:23 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 23, 2020, 09:12:14 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 23, 2020, 08:41:47 AM
Quote from: supersub on September 22, 2020, 05:19:31 PM
No need for the leagues to be finished putting everything into perspective.

Got a good run at it and the main events bar replayed hurling final are done.

Quit while you're head.

None of the intermediate or junior hurling championship games have even started yet. I know most of this county don't give a stuff but if the pin is pulled now that's going to be harsh on those players. Not to start until 11th October.
What's the reason for the intermediate and junior starting so late? Is it dual players?. Both should be finished out.
They said they couldn't play it round the football championships. There would be an odd duel player but not many. I think they were worried about referee shortage too when the plan was put in place.
Any decisions on closing down should only be on basis of public health guidelines. Behind closed doors should be considered, especially in view of the success of PáircTV. Unless there is a valid public health direction otherwise , it would be totally unfair to pull the plug on competitions IMHO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on September 23, 2020, 02:20:26 PM
Now the championship has finished, who would be in favour of going back to a knock out championship, given the excitement of the Tyrone KO system?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 23, 2020, 02:49:32 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on September 21, 2020, 10:16:40 PM
I think Warrenpoint have won a grand total of 1 MFC in the last 10 years, in 2012. If I'm not wrong, Burren have won 4 of the last 7 and been beaten in 2 finals and semi final in that time. Rostrevor have 2 or 3, Ballyholland have 1 and Kilcoo might make up the rest?

2010 - Kilcoo beat ? in final
2011 - Kilcoo beat Point in final
2012 - Point beat Burren
2013 - Rostrevor beat ?
2014 - Burren beat Shamrocks
2015 - Rostrevor beat Shamrocks
2016 - Burren beat Clonduff
2017 - Burren beat ?
2018 - Ballyholland beat Burren
2019 - Kilcoo beat Burren
2020 - Burren beat Bredagh

It's a pretty poor return for Burren in the SFC when you look at it like that, especially considering they won 2 SFCs in 2010/11, two Ulster U21s around that time and an Ulster MFC in 2016 too.

I think under-age football is at best only a guide for future senior titles. I was involved with a v successful underage team, but by the time they were in the early 20s almost all of them had emigrated. Young people now have to travel to make a career and the only time they can do this is in their 20s. But underage football is it's own reward, hopefully the lessons learned about the transience of success/failure and the friendships made will be lifelong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on September 23, 2020, 07:37:02 PM
While there is no guarantee of success at senior level, there is no doubt that investing in underage can pay dividends.
Look at the championship finals/semi-finals;
St Pauls  :) Saul and Kilcoo have all gone down that road and reaped the rewards this year- Kilcoo for the last 11 years. Carryduff, CPN and Ballyholland the same.
Burren and Bredagh too. Now people may complain that apart from Kilcoo there are young players moving to these clubs- clearly a well organised underage structure is a magnet but we don't want to see a small number of super clubs- a rising tide should lift all boats.
On a separate note I fear that sport will be shut down in the coming weeks and we may not see a county championship. It only goes to highlight what a great job the CCC did in organising the club championships.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 26, 2020, 10:58:01 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 23, 2020, 02:15:41 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 23, 2020, 12:15:23 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 23, 2020, 09:12:14 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 23, 2020, 08:41:47 AM
Quote from: supersub on September 22, 2020, 05:19:31 PM
No need for the leagues to be finished putting everything into perspective.

Got a good run at it and the main events bar replayed hurling final are done.

Quit while you're head.

None of the intermediate or junior hurling championship games have even started yet. I know most of this county don't give a stuff but if the pin is pulled now that's going to be harsh on those players. Not to start until 11th October.
What's the reason for the intermediate and junior starting so late? Is it dual players?. Both should be finished out.
They said they couldn't play it round the football championships. There would be an odd duel player but not many. I think they were worried about referee shortage too when the plan was put in place.
Any decisions on closing down should only be on basis of public health guidelines. Behind closed doors should be considered, especially in view of the success of PáircTV. Unless there is a valid public health direction otherwise , it would be totally unfair to pull the plug on competitions IMHO

I am sure the multiple shutdowns across the county causing havoc with fixture calendars at all levels, all after consultation with Public Health is reason enough.

Behind closed doors perhaps, how do you police it though.

The likes of the reserve Championships haven't started either. It's not about not giving a stuff about hurling, and it's not about being 'fair', it's about what is right for society in general. What would be really harsh on those players is if they train and play through a peak in the virus and suddenly put family members or others at risk unknowingly. It is hard to know what is the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 27, 2020, 11:55:10 AM
With the increase in covid cases throughout Down it will be interesting to see do the leagues finish? I would think Downpatrick will be looking on very closely. I think a few teams will have to forfeit matches next Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 27, 2020, 04:39:40 PM
Great coverage by Jerome Quinn today for the u13 All County final. Great game and for me very exciting to watch, heart was going a dinger, end to end, all the usual cliches. Hard to call right up to the whistle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 28, 2020, 08:58:18 AM
The reserve championship begin this week and I don't think any club would be too disappointed if the are scrapped due to the increasing covid problem. I think it would show leadership by county board to stop it. Limit contacts as much as possible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on September 28, 2020, 09:05:01 AM
Where was the u13 game played at? Looked like a great setup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 28, 2020, 10:30:50 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 28, 2020, 09:05:01 AM
Where was the u13 game played at? Looked like a great setup.

Looked a bit like Castlewellan from the pictures I saw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on September 28, 2020, 10:35:23 AM
Cheers JC. Looked a good setup. I've never seen their ground before.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 29, 2020, 05:02:27 AM
Have to say I enjoyed the championships in down this year, everyone, myself included expected a defensive tactics based championship - that didn't happen
Enjoyed the fact the best team won , annoying we won't see that team play in Ulster series , I think they would have won that .
Enjoyed pairs tv - Patsy Russell and all the commentators , great job
Enjoyed seeing all three winners coming from east down , that will wipe the smile of Yew Tree , Smurf 123 and all the rest of those smug a holes from south down , we are all down supporters at the end of it all but it's great seeing Richard heads from Warrenpoint and Burren cry about how good their juvenile teams are when their senior teams get thumped, great things ahead when center of excellence gets up and running - some crying then Yew tree
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on September 29, 2020, 09:02:54 AM
If you take Yewtree seriously then more fool you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on September 29, 2020, 10:13:52 AM
Does anyone know what protocol there is for remainder of league if a club is shut due to covid? Do they forfeit the match. At the minute I know that the Bridge and Saul are closed.Are there any others?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: seafoid on September 30, 2020, 02:45:48 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/when-down-s-1960-all-ireland-victory-brought-down-barriers-1.4367907

When Down's 1960 All-Ireland victory brought down barriers
Protestants and Catholics travelled to Croke Park and celebrated side-by-side in Newry
about 9 hours ago
Peter Makem


Of all the many conversations I've had over the years about the rise of the 1960 Down team, one in particular stands out to this day. And it wasn't with a player, a manager or a pundit. It was with a self-proclaimed hard-line unionist called George Graham from Kilkeel back in 1982 when he was chairman of the Newry and Mourne Council.

He was not, it is fair to say, a man who wore his beliefs lightly. However, one night following a council meeting, we got into a conversation about sport leading into Gaelic football. Much to my surprise he reeled off six or seven names from the famous All-Ireland winning side – more than 20 years after the event – and recalled, with quite a measure of impression, the excitement in the county when they brought the Sam Maguire cup across the Border for the first time.

"You didn't expect to hear that from me, did you?' he finally said, and went off with a contented grin.

A few days following that victory over Kerry, the story is well told of a Protestant postman knocking on the door of one of the Down footballers and proclaiming: "Well done! Well done! Ye bate the bastards!"

The sudden rise of Down as a force in Gaelic football brought a surge of colour, charisma, daring, defiance, sheer fitness and brilliance of teamplay not seen before, attracted the greatest crowds in the history of the game, stirred the imagination of the country and enthralled all sections of the community north of the Border.

Down captain Kevin Mussen and Kerry captain Paudie Sheehy with the referee before the game
Down captain Kevin Mussen and Kerry captain Paudie Sheehy with the referee before the game
It was the largest gathering of people on the island of Ireland since Daniel O'Connell's monster meeting at Tara back in 1843
No side from the Six Counties had been able to break the hoodoo in All-Ireland semi-finals and finals: Armagh in 1950 and '53, Antrim in '51, Tyrone in '56 and '57, Derry in '58 and up-and-coming Down in '59 – something akin to the Mayo impasse of modern times.


But the rise of Down did not just happen. It was highly organised. Following a first-round championship defeat by Armagh in 1957, the county secretary Maurice Hayes and other officials assembled a group of players in Newcastle GAA grounds and presented his plans for a radical new approach. The overall philosophy was to aim higher, reach further, dig deeper than anything previously undertaken in Gaelic football. If everybody committed themselves totally to the challenge, he promised they would be All-Ireland champions in three years.

Down had no championship tradition and had not even won an Ulster title at that stage.

Hardened
After their first victory in Ulster in 1959, they were defeated by Galway in the All-Ireland semi-final, but retained their provincial title in 1960 and were growing all the time. The two struggles against Offaly in the semi-finals had matured and hardened the side, twice coming back from the jaws of defeat – and now something utterly unthinkable a few years earlier was on the cards: an All-Ireland final confrontation with Kerry. Expectation was in full spate. It made the front-page headline of the Sunday Press: "All set for epic final."

And so, on that September Sunday morning of the final in 1960, Down supporters checked their cars and vans for oil and water for the long journey, checked the tyres, maybe the points and plugs as well, and headed off in their Austin 7s, 10s, 12s and 16s, Morris 10s, Morris Minors, Ford Prefects, Bedford vans, Zodiacs, Consuls, A-30s, Volkswagen Beetles, Citroëns, Hillman Minxes, Rover 2000s, Anglias, Humbers and Morris Major vans through the bottlenecks of Newry, Dundalk, Castlebellingham, Dunleer, Drogheda, Julianstown, Balbriggan and Swords, on past Dublin Airport and down into the cauldron of Drumcondra – and suddenly straight ahead was the great elevation of the new Hogan stand.


To the left of that was the more venerable Cusack stand which had a Down connection in that Michael Cusack taught in St Colman's College, Newry from 1871 to 1876 and in 1882 founded the Dublin Hurling Club, said to be the nucleus of the GAA which came two years after. Listed on that hurling team were several Co Down Protestants including Rev Samuel Holmes and the brothers Frank and Robert Patterson from Newry.

By half three, a record 88,000 spectators had crammed into Croke Park. Tickets were only needed for the Hogan and upper Cusack. It was the largest gathering of people on the island of Ireland since Daniel O'Connell's monster meeting at Tara back in 1843.

Down footballers, officials, supporters and journalists from the time are adamant that considerable numbers of the Protestant population from across the county and beyond travelled to Croke Park in full support for the semi-finals and final. It seemed that the exploits of the team had created a sense of common belonging and self-worth; they knew that they wanted to celebrate but were not sure how, that it stirred something uplifting within them but they were not sure what, and that the success belonged to them as well but they were uncertain as to why.

Friendships
That campaign of 1960 was well remembered by North Down unionist politician Robert McCartney, as he told Eamonn Rafferty in the latter's book Talking Gaelic in 1997. It was only when he went to Queen's University in 1954 that he formed friendships with GAA people and started going to games. When Down rose to prominence he followed them enthusiastically to Croke Park for all the big games.

"I think, after all, that whether you are a Catholic or Protestant you get a kick out of Ulster teams winning in Croke Park. You can go back to Cú Chulainn or whatever, but an Ulsterman is an Ulsterman and he gets a buzz out of the likes of Derry, Donegal or Down bringing home the Sam Maguire."


Kevin Mussen and Paddy 'Mo' Doherty, captains of the 1960 and 1961 Down All-Ireland winning teams. Photograph: Mark Pearce/Inpho/Presseye
Kevin Mussen and Paddy 'Mo' Doherty, captains of the 1960 and 1961 Down All-Ireland winning teams. Photograph: Mark Pearce/Inpho/Presseye
The crossing of the Border with the Sam Maguire cup represented a genuine passing over, a coming of age, the entry of a new age of heroes
Sodilva Murphy, wife of the late Leo, the Down full-back, clearly remembers her Protestant neighbours coming to their house in Poyntzpass to listen to the Down games on the radio, and were totally into the excitement. Such was common in rural areas. Many others from that community were so caught up in the drama of it all, she remembered, that they travelled off to Croke Park for the games and were there afterwards in Newry for the triumphant homecoming.

I was a schoolboy in 1960 and for some reason found myself in my grandparents' house in Keady where it was half-time in the game. I counted nine visitors there sitting very tense-faced listening to the high-pitched voice of Michael O'Hehir who kept repeating that Down were ahead by two points. There was no Sunday Game in those pundit-free days. RTÉ didn't cover GAA matches on TV until 1962 and all those confined to listening to the radio saw the events at Croke Park in their own imaginations conducted by O'Hehir.

Excitable
As the match resumed I worked out that seven in the room including my granda – all Armagh people – were supporting Down. They included a highly excitable man sitting beside me who, when James McCartan scored a goal after about 10 minutes, literally sprung into life squealing at the top of his voice, "She's comin' across! She's comin' across!" (meaning the Sam Maguire was going to cross the border) his feet drumming up and down on the floor like pistons.

The excitement was now in full boil and, into the last eight minutes, Down were awarded a penalty. The room filled with mutterings and exclamations and a shifting in the seats and a great hush came over the radio as if there was nobody in Croke Park. If Paddy Doherty scored it was all over for Kerry, creating a gap of seven points. But to miss, apart from the dread of a tension-filled ending, would destroy the sheer beauty of Down's overall defiant display. The penalty had to be the coup de grace.


Then O'Hehir broke the lull. "And up he steps!"

No other broadcaster possessed such a vocal detonation of the phrase "it's a goal", sounding like the snarl of a cat in a midnight fight. The man beside me went into another craze of excitement with his feet in full revs as two listeners fled the house without a word. And then the final whistle sounded and, after a pause to let the roar of the crowd be heard, O'Hehir solemnly intoned the vast reality: "And Down are the All-Ireland champions."

The crossing of the Border with the Sam Maguire cup represented a genuine passing over, a coming of age, the entry of a new age of heroes. The knowledge that Gaelic football in the Six Counties had triumphed obliterated the memories of the gallant 50s, and removed the Border as the psychological obstacle it had become in this regard. There had been no homecoming like it in the history of the GAA in terms of crowds and excitement.

All the way from Dublin the team were greeted in the various towns with jubilation as the cavalcade reached the Border at Killeen, where a grand crossing ceremony was organised by members of the local Cloghogue clergy and the adjacent Killeavy GFC. The Sam Maguire cup glistened and gleamed as Down captain Kevin Mussen, along with players and officials, stepped formally across the exact line of the Border to a wild fanfare of acclaim. After that historic gesture, it was on slowly down the hill into the waiting arms of Newry where tens of thousands had gathered from all over Ulster.

Eventually the team moved through the thronged villages of Mayobridge and Hilltown and into Castlewellan where the they were welcomed by the parish priest, Rev CJ Crossan, who was joined by Rev FN Warren of the Church of Ireland and Rev J Bridgett of the Presbyterian church along with the lord lieutenant for Co Down, Hon Gerald Annesley.


Night had fallen when the final destination of Newcastle was reached and the bus eased through the waiting crowds and entered the football grounds. There, the Sam Maguire cup was placed on the exact spot from where three years previously Maurice Hayes had made his prophesy.

Peter Makem is a native of Derrynoose, Co Armagh and former Armagh manager, winning the Ulster title in 1982. He lives in Newry and works as a writer with special interest in Gaelic footbal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on September 30, 2020, 07:35:08 PM
Great read that. Down are a million miles away from getting Sam back across the border at the moment. With the county squad back together, any new players called up by Tally? Bound to be changes to the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 30, 2020, 08:40:22 PM
Thanks for posting Seafoid. Great read.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on September 30, 2020, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on September 30, 2020, 07:35:08 PM
Great read that. Down are a million miles away from getting Sam back across the border at the moment. With the county squad back together, any new players called up by Tally? Bound to be changes to the panel.

If that's the case who would you get rid of and who would you bring in remembering it's only 15 aside and restricted panel size.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 30, 2020, 10:22:11 PM
I believe ryan McAvoy, Shealan Johnson and Dylan ward, ryan johnson also back. And Conor mcCrickard all joined the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 30, 2020, 11:11:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 29, 2020, 10:13:52 AM
Does anyone know what protocol there is for remainder of league if a club is shut due to covid? Do they forfeit the match. At the minute I know that the Bridge and Saul are closed.Are there any others?

The rules are you've 72 hours to play the game, if you can't due to covid you forfeit the points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 01, 2020, 09:20:49 AM
Anyone know if there is u21 football this season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 01, 2020, 09:21:40 AM
Quote from: maldini on September 30, 2020, 11:11:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 29, 2020, 10:13:52 AM
Does anyone know what protocol there is for remainder of league if a club is shut due to covid? Do they forfeit the match. At the minute I know that the Bridge and Saul are closed.Are there any others?

The rules are you've 72 hours to play the game, if you can't due to covid you forfeit the points
thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on October 01, 2020, 11:54:27 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 01, 2020, 09:21:40 AM
Quote from: maldini on September 30, 2020, 11:11:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 29, 2020, 10:13:52 AM
Does anyone know what protocol there is for remainder of league if a club is shut due to covid? Do they forfeit the match. At the minute I know that the Bridge and Saul are closed.Are there any others?

The rules are you've 72 hours to play the game, if you can't due to covid you forfeit the points
thanks

Think they were championship rules but worth checking out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 01, 2020, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: maldini on September 30, 2020, 11:11:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 29, 2020, 10:13:52 AM
Does anyone know what protocol there is for remainder of league if a club is shut due to covid? Do they forfeit the match. At the minute I know that the Bridge and Saul are closed.Are there any others?

The rules are you've 72 hours to play the game, if you can't due to covid you forfeit the points
What has gone on in Saul since their tremendous IFC win? The whole area and even further afield has a Covid line back to that Sunday.
I'm hearing they took a bus to the Final in Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on October 01, 2020, 04:41:35 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 01, 2020, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: maldini on September 30, 2020, 11:11:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 29, 2020, 10:13:52 AM
Does anyone know what protocol there is for remainder of league if a club is shut due to covid? Do they forfeit the match. At the minute I know that the Bridge and Saul are closed.Are there any others?

The rules are you've 72 hours to play the game, if you can't due to covid you forfeit the points
What has gone on in Saul since their tremendous IFC win? The whole area and even further afield has a Covid line back to that Sunday.
I'm hearing they took a bus to the Final in Newry.

Tittle tattle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 01, 2020, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 01, 2020, 04:41:35 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 01, 2020, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: maldini on September 30, 2020, 11:11:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 29, 2020, 10:13:52 AM
Does anyone know what protocol there is for remainder of league if a club is shut due to covid? Do they forfeit the match. At the minute I know that the Bridge and Saul are closed.Are there any others?

The rules are you've 72 hours to play the game, if you can't due to covid you forfeit the points
What has gone on in Saul since their tremendous IFC win? The whole area and even further afield has a Covid line back to that Sunday.
I'm hearing they took a bus to the Final in Newry.

Tittle tattle
My tittle tattle person is rarely wrong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 01, 2020, 07:45:07 PM
I think Saul with hindsight realise getting on the bus was a mistake. Even if of was not passed on the bus it was a mistake to do it. They had a great run and shouldn't take away from a brilliant year.
Leagues are likely to drag on now with cases mounting in different clubs
The Down county board need to have a plan in place
Play or not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on October 01, 2020, 08:00:59 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 01, 2020, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 01, 2020, 04:41:35 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 01, 2020, 03:29:45 PM
Quote from: maldini on September 30, 2020, 11:11:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on September 29, 2020, 10:13:52 AM
Does anyone know what protocol there is for remainder of league if a club is shut due to covid? Do they forfeit the match. At the minute I know that the Bridge and Saul are closed.Are there any others?

The rules are you’ve 72 hours to play the game, if you can’t due to covid you forfeit the points
What has gone on in Saul since their tremendous IFC win? The whole area and even further afield has a Covid line back to that Sunday.
I'm hearing they took a bus to the Final in Newry.

Tittle tattle
My tittle tattle person is rarely wrong

Surely someone was already infected before the bus trip or am I missing something
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 01, 2020, 09:40:17 PM
Do Saul not have a doctor as part of the management?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on October 01, 2020, 09:45:31 PM
I had heard it stemmed from a bar there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 01, 2020, 09:54:02 PM
Can't really say if it was from a bar a bus but it's happened
The bus should never have happened especially with so many asymptotic ones about
Unfortunate but as I said with hindsight the wouldn't do it again
Leagues to continue until November
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 01, 2020, 10:07:55 PM
Castlewellan conceded to Glenn earlier in the league due to covid
I'm sure Saul will do the same, their remaining games are pretty meaningless anyway
No need to drag this on to November
Quite sure the 72 hour rule applies to league as well anyway
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 01, 2020, 10:13:05 PM
You can't concede a league game, or you will start next season with a 2 point penalty.

The PHA can of course close a club down which overrules everyone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 01, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Yes Castlewellan forfeited earlier on in the year?
Also PHA closed down Downpatrick?
Maybe league roles were different than championship rules?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on October 01, 2020, 10:44:11 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 01, 2020, 10:13:05 PM
You can't concede a league game, or you will start next season with a 2 point penalty.

The PHA can of course close a club down which overrules everyone.

Under the present circumstances I doubt CCC would enforce the 2 point penalty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 01, 2020, 10:57:36 PM
You would think under the circumstances the 2 points deduction would be fired out this year
Yes I agree any other year but not this
What happens to Castlewellan who have already forfeited a match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 05, 2020, 10:46:13 AM
what happened the point yesterday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 05, 2020, 01:35:08 PM
All club football cancelled for the foreseeable future!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on October 05, 2020, 02:23:21 PM
Not county tho..

county teams cant get covid  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 06, 2020, 10:08:41 AM
Do you think there would be much objection by clubs if the leagues , reserve championships and hurling be scraped to 2021. I just do not see the appetite there anymore. Burren have a chance to win the league but I do not think there would be too much lost sleep over it. It would be hard on Clonduff who are in the league final and going for their first of silverware in a generation. What are the views from the hurling snobs? why did the senior hurling go ahead and not the other grades?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 06, 2020, 10:41:20 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 06, 2020, 10:08:41 AM
Do you think there would be much objection by clubs if the leagues , reserve championships and hurling be scraped to 2021. I just do not see the appetite there anymore. Burren have a chance to win the league but I do not think there would be too much lost sleep over it. It would be hard on Clonduff who are in the league final and going for their first of silverware in a generation. What are the views from the hurling snobs? why did the senior hurling go ahead and not the other grades?

Snobs you say?  ;D ;D

I'd say senior hurling went ahead (championship only) and a smattering of Div1 and Div2 adult league games because of a shortage of referees and the issues of dual players in the likes of Liatroim, Clonduff and the likes.

A good few underage championships got completed with only a handful remaining but I was surprised at how quickly Croke Park pulled the plug but not shocked as the behaviour of some teams left them open for abuse.

Only surmising.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 06, 2020, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 06, 2020, 10:41:20 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 06, 2020, 10:08:41 AM
Do you think there would be much objection by clubs if the leagues , reserve championships and hurling be scraped to 2021. I just do not see the appetite there anymore. Burren have a chance to win the league but I do not think there would be too much lost sleep over it. It would be hard on Clonduff who are in the league final and going for their first of silverware in a generation. What are the views from the hurling snobs? why did the senior hurling go ahead and not the other grades?

Snobs you say?  ;D ;D

I'd say senior hurling went ahead (championship only) and a smattering of Div1 and Div2 adult league games because of a shortage of referees and the issues of dual players in the likes of Liatroim, Clonduff and the likes.

A good few underage championships got completed with only a handful remaining but I was surprised at how quickly Croke Park pulled the plug but not shocked as the behaviour of some teams left them open for abuse.

Only surmising.

Think they were the main points. When they started the fixtures they were short of referees too - apparently initially a lot of the refs weren't keen on coming back but that seemed to ease as things got up and running. Junior and Intermediate hurling got pushed to get the football championship played first. Personally I thought they could of had both up and running at least straight after the football if not overlapping from the semi final stage. But we are where we are now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 07, 2020, 10:30:19 PM
An outbreak in the Down squad
4 players tested positive
Hopefully that's all with it restarting in 10 days
Good to see more Kilcoo lads on the squad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 08, 2020, 09:44:40 AM
Outbreaks in Down squad. Fermanagh shut down and numerous other cases throughout the country. Is it realistic to expect the intercounty season to reach a conclusion? They'd fella arent professional getting paid thousands a week and tested on a regular basis. Does pounds come before player welfare in the GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedBlackPurpleGold on October 08, 2020, 11:28:05 AM
Would there be an objection to the hurling championships not going ahead, absolutely. These guys train like the footballers do, care like the footballers do so why should they not get their championship. The county board pay lip service to hurling and as long as it doesn't interfere with the footballer it's ok. Those championships should have been played but only the co board know why they didn't. As for hurling snobs they are as bad as football snobs. Both games are great
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 08, 2020, 04:27:00 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 08, 2020, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: RedBlackPurpleGold on October 08, 2020, 11:28:05 AM
Would there be an objection to the hurling championships not going ahead, absolutely. These guys train like the footballers do, care like the footballers do so why should they not get their championship. The county board pay lip service to hurling and as long as it doesn't interfere with the footballer it's ok. Those championships should have been played but only the co board know why they didn't. As for hurling snobs they are as bad as football snobs. Both games are great
The Calendar came out in June and there were no objections from the Clubs and I think this year, from what I have heard,produced the best SHC ever.There are casualties from this latest lockdown and the IHC,JHC and U19/21 competitions are part of that.
I know Ballela objected as the only hurling only club outside of the Ards but it made no difference. The junior and intermediate hurling fixtures weren't to be played during the football championships and that was it. A good SHC was great for those 4 teams but to make it out like its just tough shit to the rest is a bit much.
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Post by: Johnnysboys on October 09, 2020, 08:15:04 AM
Managerial merry go round has started already with Burren and Dundrum management teams stepping aside during the week. Whoever takes the Burren role will have big pressure on their shoulders with this all conquering U17s team coming through and expected to challenge Kilcoo in the coming years.
I'd say there could be a number of changes in division one for 2021 with the exception of Carryduff, Kilcoo, Bryansford and Mayobridge..
Any other changes within Other clubs??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 09, 2020, 09:53:18 AM
Has the season been cancelled yet? I cannot believe our press office have not made a statement, talk about leaving lads in limbo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 09, 2020, 10:24:35 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 09, 2020, 09:53:18 AM
Has the season been cancelled yet? I cannot believe our press office have not made a statement, talk about leaving lads in limbo
Spoke to someone on the CCC yesterday and they are holding on in the hope they get the hurling championships played.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 09, 2020, 10:31:58 AM
What's the story with U19/U21?  Club championships looking unlikely?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 09, 2020, 10:36:17 AM
As much as clubs would like to play championships and leagues this ear, lets be realistic. This stop start nature of playing will only increase injuries especially at this time of year when pitches are in gutters. Is there any appetite to finish the intermediate or junior hurling or the reserve championships at this present time. There will always be a few moaning but we have got a good run at it this season and all gaels should be relatively happy considering the year that was in it. I would like to here other clubs views?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 10, 2020, 04:26:34 PM
Quote from: outinfront on October 09, 2020, 10:31:58 AM
What's the story with U19/U21?  Club championships looking unlikely?

Could they play an u20 competition in feb/March next year for clubs before the start of the senior leagues to give the players a chance to impress management and it could perhaps help county u20 management??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 12, 2020, 09:44:43 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on October 08, 2020, 04:27:00 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 08, 2020, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: RedBlackPurpleGold on October 08, 2020, 11:28:05 AM
Would there be an objection to the hurling championships not going ahead, absolutely. These guys train like the footballers do, care like the footballers do so why should they not get their championship. The county board pay lip service to hurling and as long as it doesn't interfere with the footballer it's ok. Those championships should have been played but only the co board know why they didn't. As for hurling snobs they are as bad as football snobs. Both games are great
The Calendar came out in June and there were no objections from the Clubs and I think this year, from what I have heard,produced the best SHC ever.There are casualties from this latest lockdown and the IHC,JHC and U19/21 competitions are part of that.
I know Ballela objected as the only hurling only club outside of the Ards but it made no difference. The junior and intermediate hurling fixtures weren't to be played during the football championships and that was it. A good SHC was great for those 4 teams but to make it out like its just tough shit to the rest is a bit much.

Not sure it's related but Ballela failed to field in a league match against our lads that was scheduled the Saturday before lockdown.

With no hope of championship some players may have downed tools already.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on October 13, 2020, 07:36:23 PM
Seen on Twitter, Darren O'hagan and Harrison both out injured. Big blow to Paddy Tally that. Anybody see the new players called in named in Newry Reporter?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 13, 2020, 09:02:43 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 13, 2020, 07:36:23 PM
Seen on Twitter, Darren O'hagan and Harrison both out injured. Big blow to Paddy Tally that. Anybody see the new players called in named in Newry Reporter?
Darren is out long term which is a massive blow to down and clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on October 13, 2020, 09:06:37 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 13, 2020, 09:02:43 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 13, 2020, 07:36:23 PM
Seen on Twitter, Darren O'hagan and Harrison both out injured. Big blow to Paddy Tally that. Anybody see the new players called in named in Newry Reporter?
Darren is out long term which is a massive blow to down and clonduff

Shame that, hopefully he makes full recovery, he's probably one of the most under rated players in Ireland. Been consistently excellent for past 8 or 9 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 13, 2020, 10:14:47 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 13, 2020, 09:06:37 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 13, 2020, 09:02:43 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 13, 2020, 07:36:23 PM
Seen on Twitter, Darren O'hagan and Harrison both out injured. Big blow to Paddy Tally that. Anybody see the new players called in named in Newry Reporter?
Darren is out long term which is a massive blow to down and clonduff

Shame that, hopefully he makes full recovery, he's probably one of the most under rated players in Ireland. Been consistently excellent for past 8 or 9 years.

Don't think he is under rated he just plays for a county not at the top table at present. His desire/heart/toughness playing for a Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone Mayo he would prob have at least one all star.. serious club player too. Darren is 30 now - the intensity he plays the game at - it could be difficult to see him back to his 100% best. Harrison is another blow - haven't really had much outta him at county level for a while now. Would they not be safer playing a young lad now In these two league games and v Fermanagh with one eye on the future??
That young lad O'Hare from Saul is a huge prospect and Conor Mc Crickard from laitroim - play them lads now..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 14, 2020, 09:46:27 AM
With the new restrictions does that mean that u17 intercounty will go ahead?
I take it thats senior leagues, reserve championships and hurling scrapped then?
Very tough on Clonduff but that is the hand we have been dealt with
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 14, 2020, 11:28:21 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 14, 2020, 09:46:27 AM
With the new restrictions does that mean that u17 intercounty will go ahead?
I take it thats senior leagues, reserve championships and hurling scrapped then?
Very tough on Clonduff but that is the hand we have been dealt with

Not sure on this one.. I think senior GAA is deemed elite level but U17s would still be children. What then for the u20 semi finals happening this weekend?? Because they are over 18 and playing at inter county standard with a few of them involved in their senior setups - are they deemed elite???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 14, 2020, 11:46:01 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 14, 2020, 11:28:21 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 14, 2020, 09:46:27 AM
With the new restrictions does that mean that u17 intercounty will go ahead?
I take it thats senior leagues, reserve championships and hurling scrapped then?
Very tough on Clonduff but that is the hand we have been dealt with

Not sure on this one.. I think senior GAA is deemed elite level but U17s would still be children. What then for the u20 semi finals happening this weekend?? Because they are over 18 and playing at inter county standard with a few of them involved in their senior setups - are they deemed elite???

I do not think anyone knows, a statement from Ulster or Down would help to clarify some of the questions. Can teams train?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 14, 2020, 11:49:57 AM
In the south, the FAI National Youth Leagues are considered elite sports (I believe, judging by the fact that the FAI kept them running after all but elite sport was banned there).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 14, 2020, 06:36:06 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 14, 2020, 11:46:01 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 14, 2020, 11:28:21 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 14, 2020, 09:46:27 AM
With the new restrictions does that mean that u17 intercounty will go ahead?
I take it thats senior leagues, reserve championships and hurling scrapped then?
Very tough on Clonduff but that is the hand we have been dealt with

Not sure on this one.. I think senior GAA is deemed elite level but U17s would still be children. What then for the u20 semi finals happening this weekend?? Because they are over 18 and playing at inter county standard with a few of them involved in their senior setups - are they deemed elite???

I do not think anyone knows, a statement from Ulster or Down would help to clarify some of the questions. Can teams train?

I'm sure they are trying to get clarity themselves seeing as the restrictions were only announced 8 hours ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on October 16, 2020, 03:48:02 PM
Team named for tomorrow's game;
Burns
Collins
Murdock
McAleenan
D Guinness
P Fegan
S Fegan
Flynn
Poland
O Hagan
Mooney
Kerr
Doherty
J Johnson
O Hare

I would have preferred to see Donnelly (if fit?) playing in the middle. Ryan Johnson surely will get some game time aswell.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 16, 2020, 07:54:52 PM
Ryan Mc Aleenan's retirement didn't last long
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 17, 2020, 09:23:13 AM
Game off as Leitrim can't field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 17, 2020, 09:47:47 AM
So do we get the walkover?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 17, 2020, 09:55:29 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on October 17, 2020, 09:47:47 AM
So do we get the walkover?
Yes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 17, 2020, 02:12:01 PM
The Down county board will be trying to deduct 4 points on Leitrim for next years league!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 17, 2020, 06:42:09 PM
Congratulations to Paddy Tally, who, unless the GAA change the rules, has got us into the top tier championship as well as promotion to D2. Even if we lose to Louth, we will finish on nine points. Longford, Derry and Offaly can all match that total, but we have already beaten each of them and therefore have to finish in front through the head to head results.

It's quite an achievement, as we had to come from behind late on to draw with Tipperary and beat Longford. In the crucial game against Derry, we were a man down and two behind with ten minutes left. Tally reorganised and we got four of the last five points to edge it. It all means that, even if the championship never happens, we have achieved our main target this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 17, 2020, 06:43:14 PM
McAleenan away from Warrenpoint and Rostrevor making changes to their management too. Disappointing there was no game today but the two points puts us closer to promotion - hopefully score difference doesn't come into in in the long run.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 17, 2020, 07:19:58 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 17, 2020, 06:42:09 PM
Congratulations to Paddy Tally, who, unless the GAA change the rules, has got us into the top tier championship as well as promotion to D2. Even if we lose to Louth, we will finish on nine points. Longford, Derry and Offaly can all match that total, but we have already beaten each of them and therefore have to finish in front through the head to head results.

It's quite an achievement, as we had to come from behind late on to draw with Tipperary and beat Longford. In the crucial game against Derry, we were a man down and two behind with ten minutes left. Tally reorganised and we got four of the last five points to edge it. It all means that, even if the championship never happens, we have achieved our main target this season.
I'm pretty sure the rule has always been if 3 or more team level on points it goes to score difference. So Down aren't out of the water yet although I thought there would be some sort of walkover bonus you get on your score difference like a +5 to your points scored
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 17, 2020, 07:21:24 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 17, 2020, 06:42:09 PM
Congratulations to Paddy Tally, who, unless the GAA change the rules, has got us into the top tier championship as well as promotion to D2. Even if we lose to Louth, we will finish on nine points. Longford, Derry and Offaly can all match that total, but we have already beaten each of them and therefore have to finish in front through the head to head results.

It's quite an achievement, as we had to come from behind late on to draw with Tipperary and beat Longford. In the crucial game against Derry, we were a man down and two behind with ten minutes left. Tally reorganised and we got four of the last five points to edge it. It all means that, even if the championship never happens, we have achieved our main target this season.
if more than two teams are level on points it goes to scoring difference, down need a draw against louth to be certain of promotion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 17, 2020, 08:24:43 PM
Yes, while it would require Longford to beat Cork, it is possible if Down lose that we will be in a 3 way tie with them and Derry or Offaly.
Cork are up and have nothing to play for so we should go to Drogheda seeking a win or at least avoid defeat
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 17, 2020, 08:30:39 PM
The last three posters are obviously correct, as there is still an outside chance that three teams could finish on nine points each with promotion decided on scoring difference. However, as Nanderson highlighted, Down were awarded a win today which left our scoring average unchanged, which cannot be fair. If some combination of Down, Derry, Longford and Offaly somehow finished level, there would be a strong case for the GAA reverting to head to head results, which would confirm our promotion. Offaly play Derry in the last round of fixtures, so only one of them can reach nine points. It is possible that Longford might beat Cork, who are already promoted, but Down really should resolve the debate by winning at Louth, who have been relegated after losing six out of six. While I celebrated prematurely, only a bizarre sequence of results or the abandonment of the last round of games can prevent us going up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 17, 2020, 08:38:53 PM
Gaa confirm that if 3 or more teams are on level points at the end of division 3 the results against leitrim won't be counted and only scoring difference against the other 6 teams will count.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 17, 2020, 08:48:13 PM
This is the relevant section from the GAA's official guide -

(d) In the event that two teams or more finish with equal points, but have been affected by a disqualification, loss of game on a proven objection, retirement or walk over, the tie shall be
decided by the following means:
(i) Score Difference from the games in which only the teams involved, (teams tied on points), have played each other. (subtracting the total Scores Against from total Scores For)
(ii) Highest Total Score For, in which only the teams involved, have played each other, and have finished equal in (i)
(iii) A Play-Off

This effectively indicates that D3 promotion this season has to be decided on head to head results in the event of any group of teams finishing level on points in second place, and strongly suggests we are already up. However, avoiding defeat in Drogheda makes the discussion academic.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 17, 2020, 09:49:06 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 17, 2020, 06:43:14 PM
McAleenan away from Warrenpoint and Rostrevor making changes to their management too. Disappointing there was no game today but the two points puts us closer to promotion - hopefully score difference doesn't come into in in the long run.

What changes are these?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 18, 2020, 05:17:34 PM
Offaly's defeat today means it is technically possible for Down, Derry and Longford to all finish level on nine points. If it is a two way tie, it is decided on the head to head result, meaning Down go through. A triple tie would involve using the aggregate scores from the previous matches between the three teams, and would leave Derry ahead. It is more than a little confusing, but a Down win in Louth ends all arguments.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 18, 2020, 05:50:52 PM
Just go and beat Louth ffs. If you can't do that you don't deserve to be in Div2!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on October 18, 2020, 10:20:04 PM
Congrats to Down Hurlers on winning promotion from NHL 2B today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 19, 2020, 08:36:05 AM
Quote from: Downtothewire on October 18, 2020, 10:20:04 PM
Congrats to Down Hurlers on winning promotion from NHL 2B today

First time in a while they've managed to get one over on Derry at this level, so all good for competing against the likes of Offaly and Kerry next year.

A big step up but it's time the hurlers pushed on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 19, 2020, 09:07:05 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 19, 2020, 08:36:05 AM
Quote from: Downtothewire on October 18, 2020, 10:20:04 PM
Congrats to Down Hurlers on winning promotion from NHL 2B today

First time in a while they've managed to get one over on Derry at this level, so all good for competing against the likes of Offaly and Kerry next year.

A big step up but it's time the hurlers pushed on.

Agree JC , Great achievement, especially as Down haven't had much underage success recently compared to other times. Interesting to see many of the names on the teamsheet match names of the golden era of the 90s, offspring coming through well. Great to see the success of liatroim and bredagh at underage being translated into county senior team. Do you think this year's SFC timing and structure  Translated into us having a competitive edge on Derry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 19, 2020, 11:22:27 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on October 19, 2020, 09:07:05 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 19, 2020, 08:36:05 AM
Quote from: Downtothewire on October 18, 2020, 10:20:04 PM
Congrats to Down Hurlers on winning promotion from NHL 2B today

First time in a while they've managed to get one over on Derry at this level, so all good for competing against the likes of Offaly and Kerry next year.

A big step up but it's time the hurlers pushed on.

Agree JC , Great achievement, especially as Down haven't had much underage success recently compared to other times. Interesting to see many of the names on the teamsheet match names of the golden era of the 90s, offspring coming through well. Great to see the success of liatroim and bredagh at underage being translated into county senior team. Do you think this year's SFC timing and structure  Translated into us having a competitive edge on Derry?

SHC you mean?

There's probably something in that as the three Ards clubs and Bredagh were coming of the back of 6 plus competitive games so match sharpness was there, but then again the two Liatroim lads in McCrickard and McManus got SFA competitive hurling in the lead up which isn't good for them either.
One Portaferry lad was drafted straight onto the starting 15 after his championship performances as it should be. A few Bredagh lads also had the chance to show their worth in the club championships and two started with more on the panel.

I think the Derry SHC was straight knockout so that means some of those lads would have only got one or two games, three at a push to the final for S'Neil and Lynches.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Antrim Coaster on October 19, 2020, 07:49:17 PM
Derry SHC was 2 groups of 4 where placings determined who played who. Slaughtneil and Lynches finished top of their group and went into the SHC final. 2nd played 3rd from the opposite group to determine who played Intermediate/Junior. Winners played in the IHC Final and losers played in the JHC Final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on October 19, 2020, 10:55:49 PM
Quote from: Antrim Coaster on October 19, 2020, 07:49:17 PM
Derry SHC was 2 groups of 4 where placings determined who played who. Slaughtneil and Lynches finished top of their group and went into the SHC final. 2nd played 3rd from the opposite group to determine who played Intermediate/Junior. Winners played in the IHC Final and losers played in the JHC Final
This format should be used in Down for Senior and Intermediate championships. Junior could be separate championships
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 20, 2020, 08:30:09 AM
Quote from: Downtothewire on October 19, 2020, 10:55:49 PM
Quote from: Antrim Coaster on October 19, 2020, 07:49:17 PM
Derry SHC was 2 groups of 4 where placings determined who played who. Slaughtneil and Lynches finished top of their group and went into the SHC final. 2nd played 3rd from the opposite group to determine who played Intermediate/Junior. Winners played in the IHC Final and losers played in the JHC Final
This format should be used in Down for Senior and Intermediate championships. Junior could be separate championships

I'd like to see some of the scorelines in those round robins before passing comment as much as Bredagh have bridged the gap this year, the previous year Liatroim took a few heavy defeats and there's an even bigger drop off in standard to the next level in club hurling in Down.
Bredagh compete year in year out at the highest level at underage hurling in Down and that's beginning to show at senior level. Liatroim/ O'Rahillies/Castlewellan(I think that's the moniker at U13) dip in and dip out and for every really good team they produce there's nothing then for four or five years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 20, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
A serious question which might create a bit of debate! Hurling is a fantastic sport especially at the top level but for dual clubs is it really hard to balance hurling and football? Does hurling hamper hamper football or vice versa. In terms of SFC Kilcoo, Burren, Ford and the Bridge would be recognised as our most successful clubs, they do not have hurling, Is there a correlation? If Liatroim concentrated at one code where would they be at it? Certainly not in division 3 in football!
Should there not be a Mourne hurling club? Camogie seems very strong in that area.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on October 20, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 20, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
A serious question which might create a bit of debate! Hurling is a fantastic sport especially at the top level but for dual clubs is it really hard to balance hurling and football? Does hurling hamper hamper football or vice versa. In terms of SFC Kilcoo, Burren, Ford and the Bridge would be recognised as our most successful clubs, they do not have hurling, Is there a correlation? If Liatroim concentrated at one code where would they be at it? Certainly not in division 3 in football!
Should there not be a Mourne hurling club? Camogie seems very strong in that area.

In your opinion, and an opinion I assume based on recent senior football championship roll of honour.

It all depends on your bench mark. I am extremely proud of our ability in the most part to either field or contribute to teams in 4 different codes, as well as provide an outlet for around 40 under 5s in the fundamentals programme each Sunday morning (in the Summer months), and in what we as a club have provided by way of facilities to the local community.

As primarily a football man I would love nothing more than a senior championship win however notwithstanding that I believe I am a member of a very successful club.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 20, 2020, 11:42:14 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 20, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 20, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
A serious question which might create a bit of debate! Hurling is a fantastic sport especially at the top level but for dual clubs is it really hard to balance hurling and football? Does hurling hamper hamper football or vice versa. In terms of SFC Kilcoo, Burren, Ford and the Bridge would be recognised as our most successful clubs, they do not have hurling, Is there a correlation? If Liatroim concentrated at one code where would they be at it? Certainly not in division 3 in football!
Should there not be a Mourne hurling club? Camogie seems very strong in that area.

In your opinion, and an opinion I assume based on recent senior football championship roll of honour.

It all depends on your bench mark. I am extremely proud of our ability in the most part to either field or contribute to teams in 4 different codes, as well as provide an outlet for around 40 under 5s in the fundamentals programme each Sunday morning (in the Summer months), and in what we as a club have provided by way of facilities to the local community.

As primarily a football man I would love nothing more than a senior championship win however notwithstanding that I believe I am a member of a very successful club.

As i stated "In terms of SFC Kilcoo, Burren, Ford and the Bridge would be recognised as our most successful clubs", in terms of providing facilities to communities and outlets for underage then I would say that 95% of clubs within our county our very successful. What i want to know do you think is hurling or football hampering your chances being more successful in terms of silverware. Would you sacrifice your hurling team to win a Frank O'Hare cup?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 20, 2020, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 20, 2020, 11:42:14 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 20, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 20, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
A serious question which might create a bit of debate! Hurling is a fantastic sport especially at the top level but for dual clubs is it really hard to balance hurling and football? Does hurling hamper hamper football or vice versa. In terms of SFC Kilcoo, Burren, Ford and the Bridge would be recognised as our most successful clubs, they do not have hurling, Is there a correlation? If Liatroim concentrated at one code where would they be at it? Certainly not in division 3 in football!
Should there not be a Mourne hurling club? Camogie seems very strong in that area.

In your opinion, and an opinion I assume based on recent senior football championship roll of honour.

It all depends on your bench mark. I am extremely proud of our ability in the most part to either field or contribute to teams in 4 different codes, as well as provide an outlet for around 40 under 5s in the fundamentals programme each Sunday morning (in the Summer months), and in what we as a club have provided by way of facilities to the local community.

As primarily a football man I would love nothing more than a senior championship win however notwithstanding that I believe I am a member of a very successful club.

As i stated "In terms of SFC Kilcoo, Burren, Ford and the Bridge would be recognised as our most successful clubs", in terms of providing facilities to communities and outlets for underage then I would say that 95% of clubs within our county our very successful. What i want to know do you think is hurling or football hampering your chances being more successful in terms of silverware. Would you sacrifice your hurling team to win a Frank O'Hare cup?

Liatroim have a hurling tradition for as long as I can remember and knowing some of the families involved in Liatroim hurling you'd be a braver man than me to be telling them that Liatroim would be giving up the hurling to concentrate on football.  ;D

FWIW, the first ever adult hurling game I played was against Kilcoo as a 15yo. We also played against Bryansford and RGU in that same year, all now defunct.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on October 20, 2020, 12:28:15 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 20, 2020, 11:42:14 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 20, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 20, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
A serious question which might create a bit of debate! Hurling is a fantastic sport especially at the top level but for dual clubs is it really hard to balance hurling and football? Does hurling hamper hamper football or vice versa. In terms of SFC Kilcoo, Burren, Ford and the Bridge would be recognised as our most successful clubs, they do not have hurling, Is there a correlation? If Liatroim concentrated at one code where would they be at it? Certainly not in division 3 in football!
Should there not be a Mourne hurling club? Camogie seems very strong in that area.

In your opinion, and an opinion I assume based on recent senior football championship roll of honour.

It all depends on your bench mark. I am extremely proud of our ability in the most part to either field or contribute to teams in 4 different codes, as well as provide an outlet for around 40 under 5s in the fundamentals programme each Sunday morning (in the Summer months), and in what we as a club have provided by way of facilities to the local community.

As primarily a football man I would love nothing more than a senior championship win however notwithstanding that I believe I am a member of a very successful club.

As i stated "In terms of SFC Kilcoo, Burren, Ford and the Bridge would be recognised as our most successful clubs", in terms of providing facilities to communities and outlets for underage then I would say that 95% of clubs within our county our very successful. What i want to know do you think is hurling or football hampering your chances being more successful in terms of silverware. Would you sacrifice your hurling team to win a Frank O'Hare cup?

Apologies, you did. Also it was not intended to be a antagonistic response however it may read that way.

Would you sacrifice your hurling team to win a Frank O'Hare cup?

No, I wouldn't.

do you think is hurling or football hampering your chances being more successful in terms of silverware

I honestly don't believe that in terms of SFC we would be more successful if we were not a dual club (men) however there is no doubt it is a balancing act at underage, whereby due to playing numbers most age groups have an overlap and as such you may have a player playing 2 age grades and 2 sports, therefore 4 teams. As an U17 management we had our lads for 1hr a week (plus match) and that was after their 45 min/ 1hr of hurling, done in an effort to ensure parents weren't having to travel to the club every night. But I still believe that any excuse around lack of success due to dual status is only that, an excuse.

One for yourself, last year at U16 you had 2 teams entered in the A league I believe, both of whom walked their division - serious amount of talent coming through. While its a nice problem to have, how do you keep those 30-40 lads involved with the club through in to adulthood, and with such success where does the (for want of a better term) mediocre player fit in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 20, 2020, 01:36:03 PM
Down promoted as Longford have conceded
What a mess this division 3 is turning into
Last week and now this
Longford maybe see themselves in a better position next year to gain promotion.
The 2 relegated teams in division 2 next year will automatically go into the B championship
Another league campaign which will be very important
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 20, 2020, 01:48:01 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 20, 2020, 12:21:52 PM
Quote from: downjim on October 20, 2020, 11:42:14 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 20, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
Quote from: downjim on October 20, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
A serious question which might create a bit of debate! Hurling is a fantastic sport especially at the top level but for dual clubs is it really hard to balance hurling and football? Does hurling hamper hamper football or vice versa. In terms of SFC Kilcoo, Burren, Ford and the Bridge would be recognised as our most successful clubs, they do not have hurling, Is there a correlation? If Liatroim concentrated at one code where would they be at it? Certainly not in division 3 in football!
Should there not be a Mourne hurling club? Camogie seems very strong in that area.

In your opinion, and an opinion I assume based on recent senior football championship roll of honour.

It all depends on your bench mark. I am extremely proud of our ability in the most part to either field or contribute to teams in 4 different codes, as well as provide an outlet for around 40 under 5s in the fundamentals programme each Sunday morning (in the Summer months), and in what we as a club have provided by way of facilities to the local community.

As primarily a football man I would love nothing more than a senior championship win however notwithstanding that I believe I am a member of a very successful club.

As i stated "In terms of SFC Kilcoo, Burren, Ford and the Bridge would be recognised as our most successful clubs", in terms of providing facilities to communities and outlets for underage then I would say that 95% of clubs within our county our very successful. What i want to know do you think is hurling or football hampering your chances being more successful in terms of silverware. Would you sacrifice your hurling team to win a Frank O'Hare cup?

Liatroim have a hurling tradition for as long as I can remember and knowing some of the families involved in Liatroim hurling you'd be a braver man than me to be telling them that Liatroim would be giving up the hurling to concentrate on football.  ;D

FWIW, the first ever adult hurling game I played was against Kilcoo as a 15yo. We also played against Bryansford and RGU in that same year, all now defunct.

I would say football has had more of an effect on hurling in the county since the 80/90s than the other way round. Like Johnny I played by first junior hurling games as a 15yo in the mid 90s against Downpatrick, Drumaness and Rostrevor. Even Darragh Cross were an intermediate team then and they've stopped too. You would of had more lads from football only clubs playing a bit of hurling for their neighbours too. As leagues have got more organised, therefore more games, footballers can't commit to play as much. Outside managers have made that worse, play for me only or feck off.

Liatroim have improved over that period as a club even if the footballers find themselves where they are now, they'll not be there too long. I don't think having no hurling in the early 00s would have got them past Mayobridge at the time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 21, 2020, 01:15:30 PM
I wouldnt say it is turning into a mess but teams are certainly using current circumstances t their advantage. The GAA should have had at least two or three free weeks for postponements, we cant get through a bad spell of weather without postponements never mind a pandemic. However I do believe Longford have been smart (not that I agree with it) but they will see themselves as having a better opportunity for a top 2 finish next year and play in Sam Maguire rather than play division 2 have to avoid relegation to play for Sam.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on October 23, 2020, 07:19:03 PM
Warrenpoint put a team in the Hurling reserve championship this year for the first time so things are progressing there numbers wise.. I agree with the statement around the football leagues affecting the Hurling.. Down football leagues are so demanding compare to peer counties and it is very hard for dual players to commit properly to both.. Doesn't help with outside managers using the league to justify payments in an organisation based on volunteers.. Positive end to both the county teams leagues and playing at a higher grade is  something to look forward to next year..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 24, 2020, 12:01:39 PM
Is Down v Louth on Pairc tv tomorrow?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on October 24, 2020, 01:44:02 PM
No,  the game is on GAAGO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 24, 2020, 02:26:53 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on October 24, 2020, 01:44:02 PM
No,  the game is on GAAGO
Thanks DuffGael
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 25, 2020, 02:42:45 PM
Down have been appalling this first half
No energy going forward. Handpass after handpass. Midfield getting cleaned out
What is the actual game plan to get the ball inti the full forward line?
The full forward line  has not touched the ball in 35 minutes football
Johnstone playing well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 25, 2020, 03:31:53 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 25, 2020, 02:42:45 PM
Down have been appalling this first half
No energy going forward. Handpass after handpass. Midfield getting cleaned out
What is the actual game plan to get the ball inti the full forward line?
The full forward line  has not touched the ball in 35 minutes football
Johnstone playing well
Don't think he's played that well. He must be infuriating to play with at this level. Constantly takes way too much out of the ball and runs into tackles trying to buy frees. He might get away with it at club level but you cannot do that at county level. His failure to kick the ball when 1 on 1 with the Louth goalkeeper was such a poor decision and was borderline cocky. In saying that if he was able to remove these things from his game and done what he is good at 'giving and going' he'd be flying
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on October 25, 2020, 03:46:35 PM
how did john o'hare fair out in goals? his first start for the county i believe. has been fantastic for the club over the last few years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 25, 2020, 03:49:08 PM
Caught out for a goal. Felt for him when he went long Louth were dominating
Lots of lads to return for the Fermanagh game
Mooney and Johnstone the big two
O hare and BOH very disappointing today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 25, 2020, 06:13:53 PM
The Down display was as disappointing as the dreadful GAAGO coverage, complete with a hand regularly wiping the single camera and a commentator who had plainly never heard of most of the players before.

O'Hare had a tough day with his kick-outs and it was not surprising that one was eventually intercepted for a gift goal. The defence generally struggled and regularly gave away soft frees. Donnelly looked some way off fitness at midfield after his long absence but Ward provided some of our very few bright moments. The forward line was limited and Ryan Johnson's one on one miss at a stage when the game was still in the balance summed things up. It looked as though he was trying to toe tap the ball into the air and then flick it over the keeper who blocked it anyway. He still somehow scored a point from the rebound, but it was difficult to work out what our attacking plan was overall. While we will field a very different side against Fermanagh, this was not exactly a confidence booster before the championship.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 25, 2020, 07:04:32 PM
The worrying thing from a Down perspective is they haven't much to come in
O Hare
O Hagan
Guinness
Devlin
Johnstone
McCabe

All above could possibly start against Fermanagh in the forward line
With Jerome Johnstone really the only one to come in?
Maybe I am missing a few names
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 25, 2020, 07:09:50 PM
My team for the championship opener would be:
Burns
McAleenan
Murdock
Collins
Annett
McCartan
D. Guinness
Flynn
Poland
Kerr
Mooney
J. Guinness/B. O'Hagan
McCabe
O'Hare
J. Johnston





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 25, 2020, 08:20:47 PM
Thought Dylan Ward showed up well today and could be in with a shout of starting. Nandersons team probably not far away, Ryan Johnston maybe for Mccabe?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on October 25, 2020, 09:25:53 PM
Very poor showing today, against a team without a win this year, thought Ward was the only positive. Cant see how O'Hare or McCabe can start against Fermanagh, both look really out of form. In McCabe's defence tho, Tally doesnt seem to know where to play him. Barry O Hagan disappointing today along with a lot of others. So slow and pedestrian with ball, hand pass backwards and invite pressure on, brutal to watch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 25, 2020, 09:31:30 PM
The game is very hard to watch at present but agree with Ed on O'Hare - his form is very poor at present and was for burren in championship too.
McCabe best position is at 10
I would go with
McCabe
J Johnston
L Kerr
R Johnston
B O'Hagan
S Johnston
Players all in good form in club series and good players forby that...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on October 26, 2020, 12:08:25 AM
Donal O Hare is a class act....you simply dont lose that in a couple of games. Having a pop at him here is cheap..even if he is going through a poor patch! You give a dozen years to your county (from u 16 onwards) and boys here lining up to take a cheap shot pop at you. Not very classy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on October 26, 2020, 10:09:49 AM
Quote from: bannside on October 26, 2020, 12:08:25 AM
Donal O Hare is a class act....you simply dont lose that in a couple of games. Having a pop at him here is cheap..even if he is going through a poor patch! You give a dozen years to your county (from u 16 onwards) and boys here lining up to take a cheap shot pop at you. Not very classy.

Donal O Hare been brilliant player for Down for guts of 10years, however anyone who thinks hes in good form clearly hasnt seen him play this season. Donal in good form walks on to team thats obvious. Other players deserve a chance thats all I'm saying.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on October 28, 2020, 11:23:33 AM
See Shane Mullholland appointed manager of CPN. Good appointment and strong squad. Any other new managers?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 28, 2020, 11:32:42 AM
Some coup for the Point, can he get them over the line though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 28, 2020, 12:08:46 PM
Not an inspiring appointment by any means, I think it will take a strong backroom team to help him. He had success at intermediate level with Rostrevor but this is a different level and I think CPN had a stronger team in place last year but maybe when he names his backroom team it could be different. Don't need big name appointments I agree with that but what you do need is someone with a history of regular success to know what takes at this level if CPN are to push on rather than take a step back. Hopefully I am wrong as they are a team I would admire. Any other vacancies or appointments in the manager madness month?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 28, 2020, 01:08:10 PM
Don't know much about him but he has big shoes to fill
Niall took us to the next level and brought huge success to us
We needed to get the appointment early to tie down a few boys
Unfortunate that we can't keep the group chat private
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on October 28, 2020, 01:47:45 PM
If that what is huge success then god help your club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 28, 2020, 06:14:15 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 28, 2020, 01:08:10 PM
Don't know much about him but he has big shoes to fill
Niall took us to the next level and brought huge success to us
We needed to get the appointment early to tie down a few boys
Unfortunate that we can't keep the group chat private

I'd say Barney would only be a size 7, maybe an 8 at a push so those shoes wouldn't be that big to fill. Niall has been sailing along on his Da's coat tails for some time now. Barney used to stand behind the dugout in Moygannon and tell the young fella what changes to make, nowadays he's in the stand on the phone or on an earpiece. Be up front Niall and put him beside you on the line but the roles of organ grinder and monkey are very well defined.

I agree with gaelforce, I was expecting more than Mulholland who will probably do an ok job but although in his first whatsapp message he says he is "Aiming for at least 1 Senior Champ", that again wouldn't fill me full of confidence. He first of all needs to stop players screenshoting messages and making them public, very embarassing to both him and the club and he hasn't even taken a session yet. Mark Poland with him also, a man with zero experience as a coach beyond youngsters. Good luck, I think they will need it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 28, 2020, 07:45:21 PM
Not to often we agree lotto but saying he is aiming for more than 1 championship in his first text is pie in the sky stuff
Lots of clubs will remember that for next year and may go against us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 28, 2020, 08:12:11 PM
So what is your opinion on Mulholland/Poland management and the tweeting from the players whatsapp?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 28, 2020, 11:40:46 PM
Two Cross men in charge of Burren?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on October 29, 2020, 12:18:50 AM
Two massive appointments but not the two that were expected.

Burren were to go with an Ex County senior manager and a very high profile lively coach but it all went wrong when the two lads were insisting a very close relation be addition to management team. Burren players not happy with that addition so that appointment couldn't go through .Then at last minute they got another high profile man in.All not so happy in caravan land.

The Point on the other hand thought they had their number one target but just couldn't get it over the line.But in Shane Mulholland they have a real top manager and a very canny assistant in Mark Poland. Mark and Shane will bring a freshness to the Point and the reassuring thing is the players and changing room are all very excited to be working under Shane.Shane understands only too well the John Boyle position in terms of his football commitments.
All in all the mood about The Point is very positive about this management and feel it could be the key to at last getting over the line and an O'Hare Cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 29, 2020, 08:31:35 AM
Some amount of complete gobshites on this forum...Smurph you aren't a Point man so quit trolling the board to get some attention...

On the manager merry-go-round, Mulholland is about as good an appointment as the point could get I think...good man manager by all accounts and that's a big part to play in CPN. The whatsapp group was a c**k up by (most likely) a young lad who was either on the beer in Belfast or maybe doesn't get too much game time and has a chip on their shoulder and is still in the senior chat for whatever reason. That being said, I didn't see a wild lot for people to be giving it so attention like would people expect a new manager to come in and say 'great to be involved lads, hoping for a few heavy defeats and maybe sneak a relegation play off win in October!!' f**k me some amount of morons with little else or no work to be at on a Wednesday to be sending messages around of a manager wanting to be successful with a new team...they've been the second best team in the county for 2/3yrs now so hardly a shock they'd try and win a championship...anyways just My opinion.

I see the great Stevey Poacher is staying with the Ford with Ciaran Brannigan stepping down...assume that will mean McKibbon will be back playing which is a massive boost for a team that looked decent last year but devoid of leaders when under the cosh...he'll be a big help to Poacher.

Is Pete McGrath still with the reds does anyone know? Who are the appointed team in Burren? Any other big appointments?

Big question is can anyone challenge Kilcoo for the SFC next year? My prediction would be no, unless there's a mass exodus of lads emigrating for work in the next five years they will be hard to stop...not because of talent but more to do with their shear refusal to lose. No other team in Down has the cojones to beat them...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on October 29, 2020, 09:56:37 AM
Quote from: wobbller on October 28, 2020, 11:40:46 PM
Two Cross men in charge of Burren?

Believe so - no expense spared there (yet again)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 29, 2020, 12:08:42 PM
Decent appointment for us
As one said if he can build on Niall's success this team can make the history books within our club
We are building something so special
Hope to god these men can go down in history also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on October 29, 2020, 12:23:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 29, 2020, 09:56:37 AM
Quote from: wobbller on October 28, 2020, 11:40:46 PM
Two Cross men in charge of Burren?

Believe so - no expense spared there (yet again)

Yet you wont give the names? You'd know more about a fish supper you clown.

Do you think Moran + Gilligan are working for free?
Do you think McAleenan was working for free?
Do you think Poacher is working for free?
Do you think Harte is working for free?
Heck, even Shorty for Mitchells....free?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on October 29, 2020, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 29, 2020, 12:23:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 29, 2020, 09:56:37 AM
Quote from: wobbller on October 28, 2020, 11:40:46 PM
Two Cross men in charge of Burren?

Believe so - no expense spared there (yet again)

Yet you wont give the names? You'd know more about a fish supper you clown.

Do you think Moran + Gilligan are working for free?
Do you think McAleenan was working for free?
Do you think Poacher is working for free?
Do you think Harte is working for free?
Heck, even Shorty for Mitchells....free?

Give names?
Do you mean about Burren?

Sure the dogs on the street know who it is

You would think a man like yourself would have your finger on the pulse
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on October 29, 2020, 02:10:46 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 29, 2020, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 29, 2020, 12:23:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 29, 2020, 09:56:37 AM
Quote from: wobbller on October 28, 2020, 11:40:46 PM
Two Cross men in charge of Burren?

Believe so - no expense spared there (yet again)

Yet you wont give the names? You'd know more about a fish supper you clown.

Do you think Moran + Gilligan are working for free?
Do you think McAleenan was working for free?
Do you think Poacher is working for free?
Do you think Harte is working for free?
Heck, even Shorty for Mitchells....free?

Give names?
Do you mean about Burren?

Sure the dogs on the street know who it is

You would think a man like yourself would have your finger on the pulse

You make a sly dig about Burren paying a manager, yet I listed other clubs, to which you ignored?

Sure the man on the street knows about Jim Gavin coming down the M1.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 29, 2020, 04:28:31 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 29, 2020, 02:10:46 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 29, 2020, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 29, 2020, 12:23:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 29, 2020, 09:56:37 AM
Quote from: wobbller on October 28, 2020, 11:40:46 PM
Two Cross men in charge of Burren?

Believe so - no expense spared there (yet again)

Yet you wont give the names? You'd know more about a fish supper you clown.

Do you think Moran + Gilligan are working for free?
Do you think McAleenan was working for free?
Do you think Poacher is working for free?
Do you think Harte is working for free?
Heck, even Shorty for Mitchells....free?

Give names?
Do you mean about Burren?

Sure the dogs on the street know who it is

You would think a man like yourself would have your finger on the pulse

You make a sly dig about Burren paying a manager, yet I listed other clubs, to which you ignored?

Sure the man on the street knows about Jim Gavin coming down the M1.......
Please tell us more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on October 29, 2020, 04:31:37 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 29, 2020, 02:10:46 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 29, 2020, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 29, 2020, 12:23:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 29, 2020, 09:56:37 AM
Quote from: wobbller on October 28, 2020, 11:40:46 PM
Two Cross men in charge of Burren?

Believe so - no expense spared there (yet again)

Yet you wont give the names? You'd know more about a fish supper you clown.

Do you think Moran + Gilligan are working for free?
Do you think McAleenan was working for free?
Do you think Poacher is working for free?
Do you think Harte is working for free?
Heck, even Shorty for Mitchells....free?

Give names?
Do you mean about Burren?

Sure the dogs on the street know who it is

You would think a man like yourself would have your finger on the pulse

You make a sly dig about Burren paying a manager, yet I listed other clubs, to which you ignored?

Sure the man on the street knows about Jim Gavin coming down the M1.......

Very touchy - I didnt mention other clubs and didnt dispute that certain clubs pay managers.

I simply said 'no expense spared'.........which there isnt.

Unless off course you want to say otherwise
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 29, 2020, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 29, 2020, 09:56:37 AM
Quote from: wobbller on October 28, 2020, 11:40:46 PM
Two Cross men in charge of Burren?

Believe so - no expense spared there (yet again)

You are sure on this ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 29, 2020, 04:48:59 PM
Who was the last manager from Down to win our SFC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on October 29, 2020, 04:56:36 PM
Paddy O Rourke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on October 29, 2020, 05:27:43 PM
Quote from: upandwin on October 29, 2020, 08:31:35 AM
Some amount of complete gobshites on this forum...Smurph you aren't a Point man so quit trolling the board to get some attention...

On the manager merry-go-round, Mulholland is about as good an appointment as the point could get I think...good man manager by all accounts and that's a big part to play in CPN. The whatsapp group was a c**k up by (most likely) a young lad who was either on the beer in Belfast or maybe doesn't get too much game time and has a chip on their shoulder and is still in the senior chat for whatever reason. That being said, I didn't see a wild lot for people to be giving it so attention like would people expect a new manager to come in and say 'great to be involved lads, hoping for a few heavy defeats and maybe sneak a relegation play off win in October!!' f**k me some amount of morons with little else or no work to be at on a Wednesday to be sending messages around of a manager wanting to be successful with a new team...they've been the second best team in the county for 2/3yrs now so hardly a shock they'd try and win a championship...anyways just My opinion.

I see the great Stevey Poacher is staying with the Ford with Ciaran Brannigan stepping down...assume that will mean McKibbon will be back playing which is a massive boost for a team that looked decent last year but devoid of leaders when under the cosh...he'll be a big help to Poacher.

Is Pete McGrath still with the reds does anyone know? Who are the appointed team in Burren? Any other big appointments?

Big question is can anyone challenge Kilcoo for the SFC next year? My prediction would be no, unless there's a mass exodus of lads emigrating for work in the next five years they will be hard to stop...not because of talent but more to do with their shear refusal to lose. No other team in Down has the cojones to beat them...


McKibbin no longer with the Ford. Has moved to Neasden Gaels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 29, 2020, 06:08:35 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 29, 2020, 04:28:31 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 29, 2020, 02:10:46 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 29, 2020, 01:02:55 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 29, 2020, 12:23:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 29, 2020, 09:56:37 AM
Quote from: wobbller on October 28, 2020, 11:40:46 PM
Two Cross men in charge of Burren?

Believe so - no expense spared there (yet again)

Yet you wont give the names? You'd know more about a fish supper you clown.

Do you think Moran + Gilligan are working for free?
Do you think McAleenan was working for free?
Do you think Poacher is working for free?
Do you think Harte is working for free?
Heck, even Shorty for Mitchells....free?

Give names?
Do you mean about Burren?

Sure the dogs on the street know who it is

You would think a man like yourself would have your finger on the pulse

You make a sly dig about Burren paying a manager, yet I listed other clubs, to which you ignored?

Sure the man on the street knows about Jim Gavin coming down the M1.......
Please tell us more


More lies and slander... he's coming down in a helicopter  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 30, 2020, 09:54:51 AM
Quote from: yewtree on October 29, 2020, 12:18:50 AM
Two massive appointments but not the two that were expected.

Burren were to go with an Ex County senior manager and a very high profile lively coach but it all went wrong when the two lads were insisting a very close relation be addition to management team. Burren players not happy with that addition so that appointment couldn't go through .Then at last minute they got another high profile man in.All not so happy in caravan land.

The Point on the other hand thought they had their number one target but just couldn't get it over the line.But in Shane Mulholland they have a real top manager and a very canny assistant in Mark Poland. Mark and Shane will bring a freshness to the Point and the reassuring thing is the players and changing room are all very excited to be working under Shane.Shane understands only too well the John Boyle position in terms of his football commitments.
All in all the mood about The Point is very positive about this management and feel it could be the key to at last getting over the line and an O'Hare Cup.
#
Who was their number one choice if not Mulholland ? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 30, 2020, 12:56:21 PM
Quote from: elk on October 30, 2020, 09:54:51 AM
Quote from: yewtree on October 29, 2020, 12:18:50 AM
Two massive appointments but not the two that were expected.

Burren were to go with an Ex County senior manager and a very high profile lively coach but it all went wrong when the two lads were insisting a very close relation be addition to management team. Burren players not happy with that addition so that appointment couldn't go through .Then at last minute they got another high profile man in.All not so happy in caravan land.

The Point on the other hand thought they had their number one target but just couldn't get it over the line.But in Shane Mulholland they have a real top manager and a very canny assistant in Mark Poland. Mark and Shane will bring a freshness to the Point and the reassuring thing is the players and changing room are all very excited to be working under Shane.Shane understands only too well the John Boyle position in terms of his football commitments.
All in all the mood about The Point is very positive about this management and feel it could be the key to at last getting over the line and an O'Hare Cup.
#
Who was their number one choice if not Mulholland ?

They were fighting it out with Burren for Jim Gavin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 01, 2020, 12:38:10 PM
Yesterday's defeat for Monaghan has got me thinking
Are we to quick to label lads as brilliant and innovative
Is innovative even that good? We hear these words fired out all the time. Innovative coach bla bla bla. Come the cut and trust of it once you pull away all the garbage around it the bottom line is it comes down to results and trophy's. Self proclaimed innovative coaches and managers are building up a big profile on the back of what may I add? Break it all down and what are the end results here?
Now let me say this these men have brought numerous trophies to their clubs but the don't label themselves
Bernie Ruane
Liam Howlett
Gervaise Poland
PJ McGreevey
Brendan McKernan
Jerome Johnstone
Marty Johnstone
PJ MCGee
Dessie Kennedy
Gerry Doherty


That's just some men off the top of my head that have guided their respective clubs a long way

McGreevey Clonduff underage and an all Ireland Feile
Johnstone's I'll say no more
Kennedy the all conquering Mayobridge team and Down minors
Ruane CPN Minor and 21 domination
McKernan Poland multiple Burren conquering teams


Any thoughts on this?
I would like to hear wobblers opinions on this one

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on November 01, 2020, 02:07:14 PM
Really enjoyable game to watch yesterday alright. It's not over until the final whistle. That last free was superb. Did anyone happen to notice one of the Monaghan management team sneaking behind him, crossing the field. You can take the boy out of Down.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 01, 2020, 06:42:23 PM
Don't label all of Down in that vein please.. His antics didn't work though. On another note today I seen a referee who had the balls to move a free in when Rian O'Neill was kicking it and 3 Derry players were standing in front of him roaring at nothing in particular.. Imagine the amount of frees that would be moved forward against kilcoo if we had any referees (apart from Falloon) who had the stomach to stand up to them???  Knew the rule existed and knew they were getting away with murder..

Bernie Ruane won underage titles yes but had his chance with us at senior level and didn't cut it.
G Poland, McKernan are in back room teams but not front line there is a massive difference.  Johnston's had the success but mostly with 2 teams from the club. They ain't winnin as many 'A' titles further down the age groups. Last years minors could be their last for a while..

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 02, 2020, 09:32:40 AM
Smurfy, I doubt that these men are being overlooked so much as either having too much sense, or not having enough time, to manage their own clubs (or both).

——

The one thing that the mercenary managers of our association have managed to do over the past 20 years, is change the mindset of the average player.

Once upon a time, players had a better understanding of their natural bars. Not so much these days, where they're inclined to believe that the gap between them and a county player can be bridged through dedication to S&C, a risk-adverse playing style, and eons of stats to help them learn.

The problem for the player is that if county players also follow this regime, then the gap never actually closes. We just end up with a more boring game. But that doesn't stop their demands.

The problem for clubs is that players now demand absolute attention. They want to train 3-4 times a week, all year round, and must be able to enjoy neverending variations on the same drills. They demand someone to monitor their vital statistics and their explosive performance. They expect video and statistical analysis of their matches, whether friendlies against junior sides, or senior championship knockouts, and pretend to learn from this data - to the point that they want their in-house matches analysed same way. They gain fulfilment from a weekly hour long one-on-one call about match-ups and (mostly fictional) kick out routines and transition strategies.

——

The only person who can give that sort of commitment to players for any length of time, is someone who is retired, or someone on the payroll.

So whether the outside manager is better or not doesn't overly matter.

Chances are he's not. Have a look at the host of names on the Down circuit who've never improved a club, yet pick one up every year, and you could make a strong case that he's clearly not.

But he brings his time, which is what players want, and he usually brings all the pointless expensive tools like GPS analysis with him, which is also what players want. They don't know why. But they do know that if [insert rival club name] have it, then they must have it too.

I don't like it. But it's the world we live in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 02, 2020, 12:08:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 02, 2020, 09:32:40 AM
Smurfy, I doubt that these men are being overlooked so much as either having too much sense, or not having enough time, to manage their own clubs (or both).

——

The one thing that the mercenary managers of our association have managed to do over the past 20 years, is change the mindset of the average player.

Once upon a time, players had a better understanding of their natural bars. Not so much these days, where they're inclined to believe that the gap between them and a county player can be bridged through dedication to S&C, a risk-adverse playing style, and eons of stats to help them learn.

The problem for the player is that if county players also follow this regime, then the gap never actually closes. We just end up with a more boring game. But that doesn't stop their demands.

The problem for clubs is that players now demand absolute attention. They want to train 3-4 times a week, all year round, and must be able to enjoy neverending variations on the same drills. They demand someone to monitor their vital statistics and their explosive performance. They expect video and statistical analysis of their matches, whether friendlies against junior sides, or senior championship knockouts, and pretend to learn from this data - to the point that they want their in-house matches analysed same way. They gain fulfilment from a weekly hour long one-on-one call about match-ups and (mostly fictional) kick out routines and transition strategies.

——

The only person who can give that sort of commitment to players for any length of time, is someone who is retired, or someone on the payroll.

So whether the outside manager is better or not doesn't overly matter.

Chances are he's not. Have a look at the host of names on the Down circuit who've never improved a club, yet pick one up every year, and you could make a strong case that he's clearly not.

But he brings his time, which is what players want, and he usually brings all the pointless expensive tools like GPS analysis with him, which is also what players want. They don't know why. But they do know that if [insert rival club name] have it, then they must have it too.

I don't like it. But it's the world we live in.

This is class.. it should be read at club AGMs to the people that matter - the community..  So many self proclaimed "coaches" who love the spotlight are on the circuit and never really improve the clubs they are with. If they get within 3 points of kilcoo or beat CPN that's what they base their "coaching philosophy " on - improvement!!!
I'm not old fashioned enough to realise the game hasn't changed and there is a need at times for GPS and analysis of games. But the constant drive to do what your neighbour is doing or what the county champions are doing is ridiculous.. work with the players at your disposal but don't take away from their game by putting them into a "system" that goes against what the game is about which is scoring more than your opponent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on November 02, 2020, 12:49:36 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 01, 2020, 06:42:23 PM
Don't label all of Down in that vein please.. His antics didn't work though. On another note today I seen a referee who had the balls to move a free in when Rian O'Neill was kicking it and 3 Derry players were standing in front of him roaring at nothing in particular.. Imagine the amount of frees that would be moved forward against kilcoo if we had any referees (apart from Falloon) who had the stomach to stand up to them???  Knew the rule existed and knew they were getting away with murder..

Bernie Ruane won underage titles yes but had his chance with us at senior level and didn't cut it.
G Poland, McKernan are in back room teams but not front line there is a massive difference.  Johnston's had the success but mostly with 2 teams from the club. They ain't winnin as many 'A' titles further down the age groups. Last years minors could be their last for a while..
[/quote

Ruane didn't cut at senior, I think u will find he won Down intermediate, ulster Intermediate and division 2, in his 1st year then kept us in the 1st division for the 1st time in nearly 40 years all the while bringing in all the underage players and getting rid of the deadwood. And left a ready made team for the next man coming in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 02, 2020, 07:07:12 PM
Quote from: sdg on November 02, 2020, 12:49:36 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 01, 2020, 06:42:23 PM
Don't label all of Down in that vein please.. His antics didn't work though. On another note today I seen a referee who had the balls to move a free in when Rian O'Neill was kicking it and 3 Derry players were standing in front of him roaring at nothing in particular.. Imagine the amount of frees that would be moved forward against kilcoo if we had any referees (apart from Falloon) who had the stomach to stand up to them???  Knew the rule existed and knew they were getting away with murder..

Bernie Ruane won underage titles yes but had his chance with us at senior level and didn't cut it.
G Poland, McKernan are in back room teams but not front line there is a massive difference.  Johnston's had the success but mostly with 2 teams from the club. They ain't winnin as many 'A' titles further down the age groups. Last years minors could be their last for a while..
[/quote

Ruane didn't cut at senior, I think u will find he won Down intermediate, ulster Intermediate and division 2, in his 1st year then kept us in the 1st division for the 1st time in nearly 40 years all the while bringing in all the underage players and getting rid of the deadwood. And left a ready made team for the next man coming in.

Exactly
A down and ulster INTERMEDIATE.. his success was staying in division 1 and nothing else. But he did that to his credit.. if we are being honest the management that have just departed we're not a "success" either. No titles in 4 years is poor. Let's see what Mulholland and Poland can do..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on November 02, 2020, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 02, 2020, 07:07:12 PM
Quote from: sdg on November 02, 2020, 12:49:36 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 01, 2020, 06:42:23 PM
Don't label all of Down in that vein please.. His antics didn't work though. On another note today I seen a referee who had the balls to move a free in when Rian O'Neill was kicking it and 3 Derry players were standing in front of him roaring at nothing in particular.. Imagine the amount of frees that would be moved forward against kilcoo if we had any referees (apart from Falloon) who had the stomach to stand up to them???  Knew the rule existed and knew they were getting away with murder..

Bernie Ruane won underage titles yes but had his chance with us at senior level and didn't cut it.
G Poland, McKernan are in back room teams but not front line there is a massive difference.  Johnston's had the success but mostly with 2 teams from the club. They ain't winnin as many 'A' titles further down the age groups. Last years minors could be their last for a while..
[/quote

Ruane didn't cut at senior, I think u will find he won Down intermediate, ulster Intermediate and division 2, in his 1st year then kept us in the 1st division for the 1st time in nearly 40 years all the while bringing in all the underage players and getting rid of the deadwood. And left a ready made team for the next man coming in.

Exactly
A down and ulster INTERMEDIATE.. his success was staying in division 1 and nothing else. But he did that to his credit.. if we are being honest the management that have just departed we're not a "success" either. No titles in 4 years is poor. Let's see what Mulholland and Poland can do..
Johnnysboy exactly I think ur missing the point, we were a club that maybe got promoted 6 or 7 times over a 40 year period and went straight back down every year until 2015. Maybe your  1 of these new people that started hanging about the club in recent years but the ulster Intermediate win was my best day as a blue the catalyst for we are now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 02, 2020, 09:08:39 PM
Is Jim McCorry from Cross ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 02, 2020, 09:39:35 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 02, 2020, 09:08:39 PM
Is Jim McCorry from Cross ??
thats what was being said on here by the people in the know   ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 02, 2020, 09:47:37 PM
Indeed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 02, 2020, 10:05:39 PM
White smoke at St Mary's I hear
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 02, 2020, 10:24:52 PM
Big coup for Burren but I think it's to little to late
An ageing team and the all conquering under 17 will need a year or 2 yet
Burren have little left in the tank
Toners x 2
Rooney
McKernan
McArdle
Murdock x2
McEntee x2
McGovern x1
Poland
McKay


All the above have been great servants but they won't play much more
Fegans
O hare
Kerr

They don't have much more stand out players after that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 02, 2020, 10:36:06 PM
Conor Toner and McArdle are both shy of 30.  Gerard McGovern and Cathal Foy will still be around as well. There will be 3-4 of the under 17 team integrated fairly sharpish.

The likes of McKernan and Conal McGovern will still be about to make a bit of an impact at club football and help mentor the younger lads.

Was McCorry first choice for CPN ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 02, 2020, 11:16:24 PM
Yes McCorry was first choice for us but he has went up the road
McCorry is a serial winner
Toner and McArdle have had a lot of injuries. McCorry may get the last bit out of them
Of the all conquering 17s who can't step in straight away ?

Magill
McCarthy
Murdock

Anyone else?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 03, 2020, 10:59:13 AM
Jim has a great record of introducing youth and its  great appointment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on November 03, 2020, 01:08:16 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 02, 2020, 10:36:06 PM
Conor Toner and McArdle are both shy of 30.  Gerard McGovern and Cathal Foy will still be around as well. There will be 3-4 of the under 17 team integrated fairly sharpish.

The likes of McKernan and Conal McGovern will still be about to make a bit of an impact at club football and help mentor the younger lads.

Was McCorry first choice for CPN ?

Was McCorry first choice for Burren?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 03, 2020, 02:27:47 PM
Quote——

The one thing that the mercenary managers of our association have managed to do over the past 20 years, is change the mindset of the average player.

Once upon a time, players had a better understanding of their natural bars. Not so much these days, where they're inclined to believe that the gap between them and a county player can be bridged through dedication to S&C, a risk-adverse playing style, and eons of stats to help them learn.

The problem for the player is that if county players also follow this regime, then the gap never actually closes. We just end up with a more boring game. But that doesn't stop their demands.

The problem for clubs is that players now demand absolute attention. They want to train 3-4 times a week, all year round, and must be able to enjoy neverending variations on the same drills. They demand someone to monitor their vital statistics and their explosive performance. They expect video and statistical analysis of their matches, whether friendlies against junior sides, or senior championship knockouts, and pretend to learn from this data - to the point that they want their in-house matches analysed same way. They gain fulfilment from a weekly hour long one-on-one call about match-ups and (mostly fictional) kick out routines and transition strategies.

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The only person who can give that sort of commitment to players for any length of time, is someone who is retired, or someone on the payroll.

So whether the outside manager is better or not doesn't overly matter.

Chances are he's not. Have a look at the host of names on the Down circuit who've never improved a club, yet pick one up every year, and you could make a strong case that he's clearly not.

But he brings his time, which is what players want, and he usually brings all the pointless expensive tools like GPS analysis with him, which is also what players want. They don't know why. But they do know that if [insert rival club name] have it, then they must have it too.

I don't like it. But it's the world we live in.

Wobbler, that is the best thing I have read on this thread in a very very long time.  Absolutely nailed it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 03, 2020, 06:10:17 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 03, 2020, 10:59:13 AM
Jim has a great record of introducing youth and its  great appointment.

It's a good appointment and history shows he took a great underage team in mayobridge to senior success and did likewise with kilcoo in 2012 and 2013.. whether he can do the same with Burren remains to be seen..  at Clonduff with a team of serial underage winners (particularly minor age) he did nothing and after the debacle with down he was at his native county for the last while.

I think the burren players mentioned on here still have quite a bit in the tank if looked after correctly and Jim has the experience to do that.. Their first port of call is to break into the top two of the county and then win the down title again.. 
keeping Gearoid Adams with Jim and adding last years minor management to his back room shows the intent on getting these young lads through... pressure is on...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 03, 2020, 08:51:42 PM
Who are the top 2 on the county and what is that assessment based on ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 03, 2020, 08:56:33 PM
Top 6

1- Kilcoo
2 CPN
3 Burren
4 Clonduff
5 Mayobridge
6 Ballyholland


Wobbler you talk a lot of sense
A great read and I fully agree

Magil and Cunningham  in with JMC in Burren from what I hear?

All outsiders you would need to get some Burren men on the ticket


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 03, 2020, 09:02:32 PM
Why are CPN at 2 ? What is that based on ? 1 championship final ?

Wouldn't believe all the rumours u hear otherwise Oisin would still be rocking up in Burren this wk ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 03, 2020, 10:22:52 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 03, 2020, 09:02:32 PM
Why are CPN at 2 ? What is that based on ? 1 championship final ?


Think it's also based on Set Dancing and recitation achievements as well. Just not sure about Ballad group
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffleKing on November 03, 2020, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 02, 2020, 09:08:39 PM
Is Jim McCorry from Cross ??

Lurgan man - St Paul's I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 04, 2020, 02:12:31 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 03, 2020, 08:51:42 PM
Who are the top 2 on the county and what is that assessment based on ?

Best two in county are kilcoo for obvious reasons and CPN.. CPN got to a final last year Burren got beat in 1/4 finals and they got to semi final this year whereas burren got to last 16.  The only team to beat CPN in cship in two years is kilcoo (2) whereas burren have been beaten by kilcoo (2), CPN and Mayobridge in last two seasons.. So it makes sense Burren have slipped down the order to 3.. There are others catching them too such as Clonduff, Ballyholland and Carryduff.  So they need to make sure Jim has his ducks in a row or they could end up worse off next season...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 04, 2020, 04:54:08 PM
I'd say Burren are quaking in their boots over Ballyholland and Clonduff alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 04, 2020, 05:43:15 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 04, 2020, 04:54:08 PM
I'd say Burren are quaking in their boots over Ballyholland and Clonduff alright.

Well maybe they should be.. they haven't beaten them (Ballyholland) by much in the leagues lately and indeed have succumbed to them on a few occasions. Last game of last year being a good example where Ballyholland tore them apart on the scoreboard to save their division one status. The good Ballyholland minor team also hammered burren in the county final a few years ago so they hold no fear of them. Clonduff are a strange club and when they get their act together as seen in some games this year are a real threat but other times they look very ordinary (Bryansford in championship).. the players they can field and the physicality they being surely they are in the top 5 of the county??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 06, 2020, 05:38:45 PM
Team named.. will they line out in the positions stated??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 06, 2020, 05:48:19 PM
That team will not start
Unless some players have improved since the club championship
No McAleenan Quinn or Kerr?
I would expect all 3 to start with McKernan Poland and Laverty  to miss out
A strange team selection
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 06, 2020, 11:54:40 PM
Late changes are always possible but Tally does not usually name fake teams. There will probably be some positional switches, with Poland and Doherty operating around midfield, Flynn dropping back and McKernan at sweeper. However, throwing Kerr and Quinn in after the break when the game opens up is not a bad plan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on November 07, 2020, 10:34:05 PM
Whatever the team I think we can beat Fermanagh,  then there is Cavan who are not world beaters.  Let's get behind them.. Down Abu
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on November 08, 2020, 10:09:07 AM
When intercounty football returned, Down had 2 potentially competitive games to prepare for the championship. Leitrim pulled out of the first one so nothing could be done about that. Down then played a second string team against Louth meaning the team that take on Fermanagh today have  not had a competitive game. I hope I am wrong but I hope the decision not to play the championship team against Louth does not come back to bite them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 08, 2020, 03:33:28 PM
Very good 2nd half secured a comfortable win. Barry deserved motm, some brillant long range points. Thought Daniel guinness, Pierce laverty and Peter fegan had good games as well. Caolan mooney and Donal also showed up well and showed good leadership. Good options off the bench led to an easy enough win in the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 08, 2020, 03:49:57 PM
My god can we please get off this Branagan bandwagon.. even the commentators talked about it.. Aidan is nearly 37, Niall is 33, Aaron is 30, Daryl and Eugene are a hood age to play inter county football but that's it.. plus Doherty loses his first 4 balls in the tackle today and PD fails to shine yet again for county - let's be honest kilcoo have Ryan and Jerome ready for first team and Ryan McEvoy with bit of league football next year could step up - I doubt Sheelan will - I remember him with minors few years back - beat Armagh on his own in extra time but other games - attitude was poor..
Big Murdock was solid in full back ably supported by Peter Fegan, McKernan looks rusty - can't understand teams allowing him to be sweeper!! OHagan was very good, O'Hare will be disappointed with being taken off and Jerome in flashes showed what he is capable off..
subs RJ and Cory Quinn kicked good scores. Bench will be important next weekend v Cavan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on November 08, 2020, 04:03:38 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 08, 2020, 03:49:57 PM
My god can we please get off this Branagan bandwagon.. even the commentators talked about it.. Aidan is nearly 37, Niall is 33, Aaron is 30, Daryl and Eugene are a hood age to play inter county football but that's it.. plus Doherty loses his first 4 balls in the tackle today and PD fails to shine yet again for county - let's be honest kilcoo have Ryan and Jerome ready for first team and Ryan McEvoy with bit of league football next year could step up - I doubt Sheelan will - I remember him with minors few years back - beat Armagh on his own in extra time but other games - attitude was poor..
Big Murdock was solid in full back ably supported by Peter Fegan, McKernan looks rusty - can't understand teams allowing him to be sweeper!! OHagan was very good, O'Hare will be disappointed with being taken off and Jerome in flashes showed what he is capable off..
subs RJ and Cory Quinn kicked good scores. Bench will be important next weekend v Cavan
sad thing is though @37 aidan choc would walk onto that down team! How Poland and flynn make that team is shocking,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 08, 2020, 04:59:19 PM
Donnelly would probably start at midfield if fit, but the Louth game suggested he has some way to go. While Flynn and Poland are seldom going to win much possession in the air, they run themselves into the ground for the team. Down got stronger and stronger as the game progressed today, and our bench should give us a chance in a tight match against Cavan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on November 08, 2020, 05:03:24 PM
Let's he honest... Have we really a hope against any of cavan, Armagh or donegal? Each of those sides have settled mfs. We don't.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 08, 2020, 05:24:43 PM
sad thing is though @37 aidan choc would walk onto that down team! How Poland and flynn make that team is shocking,

He cudn do it in his 20s when we aren't exactly world beaters so I doubt he could now..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 08, 2020, 06:03:33 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on November 08, 2020, 04:03:38 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 08, 2020, 03:49:57 PM
My god can we please get off this Branagan bandwagon.. even the commentators talked about it.. Aidan is nearly 37, Niall is 33, Aaron is 30, Daryl and Eugene are a hood age to play inter county football but that's it.. plus Doherty loses his first 4 balls in the tackle today and PD fails to shine yet again for county - let's be honest kilcoo have Ryan and Jerome ready for first team and Ryan McEvoy with bit of league football next year could step up - I doubt Sheelan will - I remember him with minors few years back - beat Armagh on his own in extra time but other games - attitude was poor..
Big Murdock was solid in full back ably supported by Peter Fegan, McKernan looks rusty - can't understand teams allowing him to be sweeper!! OHagan was very good, O'Hare will be disappointed with being taken off and Jerome in flashes showed what he is capable off..
subs RJ and Cory Quinn kicked good scores. Bench will be important next weekend v Cavan
sad thing is though @37 aidan choc would walk onto that down team! How Poland and flynn make that team is shocking,

If that isn't a wind up it's one of the most ridiculous statements I have heard in a long time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on November 08, 2020, 06:06:36 PM
Noticed Dylan Ward wasnt named on the bench, he injured? Hopefully still involved in the panel, he definitely has something to offer, especially given how badly we struggle in the middle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 08, 2020, 06:09:39 PM
Would agree with that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on November 08, 2020, 06:11:30 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on November 08, 2020, 06:06:36 PM
Noticed Dylan Ward wasnt named on the bench, he injured? Hopefully still involved in the panel, he definitely has something to offer, especially given how badly we struggle in the middle.

Maybe he missed his lift? Prob spending his time ringing Paul faloon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 08, 2020, 07:42:22 PM
Hopefully Ward is still involved as Cavan are beatable, would have preferred to face them than Monaghan.
Fermanagh were poor; they have had a difficult preparation and lost key players but Down did well in the second half. Tally got his selection and tactics spot on, as he usually does. Nobody had a bad game and while O'Hagan scored four super points, Mooney was the class act on show. Three critical turnovers in the first half, two great points and a brilliant run for the goal was some return for a man coming back from a fractured skull. While his talent is clear, his reading of the game has improved beyond recognition and Marty Clarke called it right that he thrives when surrounded by good players. He was a worthy captain today in the absence of Darren so well done to all involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 08, 2020, 08:38:57 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on November 08, 2020, 05:03:24 PM
Let's he honest... Have we really a hope against any of cavan, Armagh or donegal? Each of those sides have settled mfs. We don't.
wise up. It's no secret Donegal and Tyrone are on different level to rest of ulster but on any given day any of the other teams could beat each other. To say down have no hope against cavan is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 08, 2020, 09:24:51 PM
Tally called it right again today, as Dubh Driocht says, and we need him to come up with a plan which will restrict Cavan's influence at midfield. It's amazing that Paddy Power is quoting Down 4/6 and Cavan 6/4 when it should probably be the other way about, but, if it comes to a tight finish, our bench is capable of making the difference.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on November 08, 2020, 10:11:50 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on November 08, 2020, 06:11:30 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on November 08, 2020, 06:06:36 PM
Noticed Dylan Ward wasnt named on the bench, he injured? Hopefully still involved in the panel, he definitely has something to offer, especially given how badly we struggle in the middle.

Maybe he missed his lift? Prob spending his time ringing Paul faloon

Are they big mates?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 09, 2020, 07:23:42 AM
Some good scores in the second half (and O'Hagans at end of first).

Still massive problems winning primary possession though. Hard to see how we'd survive if someone pushed up on our kickouts for the full 70.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 09, 2020, 08:49:22 AM
A great second half performance yesterday and the subs made a big impact. We need to sort out midfield as this is were Cavan beat Monaghan and their midfield is not bad. I would start Ryan Johnston as he is a better footballer than both midfielders who played yesterday.
Impressed with Fegan , Laverty and Guinness in defence and with Murdock looking solid at 3 there is something to build on there. Up front  we definitely have some classy players who when given room can hurt teams. Interesting use of Kerr and Quinn who are in my opinion in the top 6 forwards in the county but coming on to a tired defence caused a lot of problems and Down were dominant from then on.
The only Branaigan who would get near that team would be Dabs. The gulf between club and county is fierce.
I am hopeful for next week but it will be won with our match ups and line up. Its a massive opportunity to get to an Ulster final . But the pace we possess is frightening and if we can utilize it then we will cause plenty of teams problems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 09, 2020, 09:32:41 AM
Quote from: downjim on November 09, 2020, 08:49:22 AM
A great second half performance yesterday and the subs made a big impact. We need to sort out midfield as this is were Cavan beat Monaghan and their midfield is not bad. I would start Ryan Johnston as he is a better footballer than both midfielders who played yesterday.
Impressed with Fegan , Laverty and Guinness in defence and with Murdock looking solid at 3 there is something to build on there. Up front  we definitely have some classy players who when given room can hurt teams. Interesting use of Kerr and Quinn who are in my opinion in the top 6 forwards in the county but coming on to a tired defence caused a lot of problems and Down were dominant from then on.
The only Branaigan who would get near that team would be Dabs. The gulf between club and county is fierce.
I am hopeful for next week but it will be won with our match ups and line up. Its a massive opportunity to get to an Ulster final . But the pace we possess is frightening and if we can utilize it then we will cause plenty of teams problems.

Good win in my limited opinion.

The number 2 looks like a proper defender, able to dispossess an opponent in one on one situations, like hens teeth in the modern game. The forwards can score from distance rather than having to walk it into the 21 yard line first, plenty of pace in and around the middle which is good, but kick outs and high balls into the defence must be a concern as it looks to be a small enough team in general. Breaking the ball down in midfield is okay if you've numbers waiting on it, but in the first half in particular Fermanagh won quite a few of those balls pretty easily.

Down improved immeasurably in the second half, but a lot of the Fermanagh players didn't exactly look like prime athletes but a win is a win and move on to this weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on November 09, 2020, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 09, 2020, 08:49:22 AM
A great second half performance yesterday and the subs made a big impact. We need to sort out midfield as this is were Cavan beat Monaghan and their midfield is not bad. I would start Ryan Johnston as he is a better footballer than both midfielders who played yesterday.
Impressed with Fegan , Laverty and Guinness in defence and with Murdock looking solid at 3 there is something to build on there. Up front  we definitely have some classy players who when given room can hurt teams. Interesting use of Kerr and Quinn who are in my opinion in the top 6 forwards in the county but coming on to a tired defence caused a lot of problems and Down were dominant from then on.
The only Branaigan who would get near that team would be Dabs. The gulf between club and county is fierce.

So downjim do you think that the likes of pierce laverty (who played well yesterday no doubt) playing his club football in division 2 is fit for county football but not aaron branagan whose been a standout performer for kilcoo senior championship winning teams every year for the last number of years?? Seems a strange assessment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 09, 2020, 07:09:36 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on November 09, 2020, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 09, 2020, 08:49:22 AM
A great second half performance yesterday and the subs made a big impact. We need to sort out midfield as this is were Cavan beat Monaghan and their midfield is not bad. I would start Ryan Johnston as he is a better footballer than both midfielders who played yesterday.
Impressed with Fegan , Laverty and Guinness in defence and with Murdock looking solid at 3 there is something to build on there. Up front  we definitely have some classy players who when given room can hurt teams. Interesting use of Kerr and Quinn who are in my opinion in the top 6 forwards in the county but coming on to a tired defence caused a lot of problems and Down were dominant from then on.
The only Branaigan who would get near that team would be Dabs. The gulf between club and county is fierce.

So downjim do you think that the likes of pierce laverty (who played well yesterday no doubt) playing his club football in division 2 is fit for county football but not aaron branagan whose been a standout performer for kilcoo senior championship winning teams every year for the last number of years?? Seems a strange assessment.

Aaron, Aidan, Dabs, Eugene, Niall DO NOT WANT TO PLAY COUNTY FOOTBALL.. Wee James tried, Jim McCorry tried (he had a good insight with them too), Eamon Burns god rest him tried and paddy Tally has tried. They don't want to play, they are fiercely committed to their club but not county - not ever... can we PLEASE move on...
Joe Fitzpatrick, Gavin Comiskey, Colm ONeill, Anthony Cunningham, Miceal Moley, Martin Calliff, Donal Murtagh all played for Crossmaglen and won 1/2/3 All Ireland's but never played county senior football in Armagh's glory years between 99-08... This happens. Successful club teams have fierce committed players who absolutely excel at club level but don't want to play county or have tried and didn't adjust to the pace, commitment or physicality of it.. Can we please for the love off god move on from the Brannagins and indeed other Kilcoo players not on the panel...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on November 10, 2020, 10:23:56 AM
Can't understand why any kilcoo lads went to the county after county board members cheering for corofin in croke park, ward was dropped for going to rough in training
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 10, 2020, 11:27:54 AM
Quote from: Lloyd p on November 09, 2020, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 09, 2020, 08:49:22 AM
A great second half performance yesterday and the subs made a big impact. We need to sort out midfield as this is were Cavan beat Monaghan and their midfield is not bad. I would start Ryan Johnston as he is a better footballer than both midfielders who played yesterday.
Impressed with Fegan , Laverty and Guinness in defence and with Murdock looking solid at 3 there is something to build on there. Up front  we definitely have some classy players who when given room can hurt teams. Interesting use of Kerr and Quinn who are in my opinion in the top 6 forwards in the county but coming on to a tired defence caused a lot of problems and Down were dominant from then on.
The only Branaigan who would get near that team would be Dabs. The gulf between club and county is fierce.

So downjim do you think that the likes of pierce laverty (who played well yesterday no doubt) playing his club football in division 2 is fit for county football but not aaron branagan whose been a standout performer for kilcoo senior championship winning teams every year for the last number of years?? Seems a strange assessment.

Not a strange assessment I am just giving my opinion, the 5 lads have been excellent stalwarts for their club throughout the years and I commend their efforts. But players who excel at club level do not necessarily excel at county level. Aaron a few years ago would have been good enough for the squad  and Choc was around the squad for a few years but could never cement a consistent place in the first 15. But what a club player and that is not being patronising IMA.

There are countless throughout Down and the rest of the country .

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-lundy-latest-to-see-gulf-between-club-and-county-1.2251717
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on November 10, 2020, 01:22:13 PM
Hard to believe they are still being talked about when they are not county players. Aidan was about the county long enough and wasn't good enough for a starting place consistently, he also felt hard done by with the CB in other cases where he felt they could have backed him or been in his corner so there is no surprise that he wasnt selling county football to his younger brothers and pushing them to go to it. They are committed to club yes, no more than other county players are to their clubs. There is a huge difference in county football to club and both Daryl and Aaron could make that jump. C Doherty and P Devlin are on county and not at the level of Daryl and Aaron. To talk about the 5 Brannagans is pointless. 2 of them should be on county but dont want to be and thats fine. D Ward is on panel and didnt make match day squad, we dont be at trainings, we see club games and thats it, so the managers will pick 26 based on what they see. The current panel is very young, bursting with speed and over the next few years with experience could well become a force so rather than run them down until then, support them now until then.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 13, 2020, 10:53:46 AM
Would anyone have an up to date managerial appointments for 2021 please for all four divisions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 13, 2020, 01:58:58 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 13, 2020, 10:53:46 AM
Would anyone have an up to date managerial appointments for 2021 please for all four divisions?

Division 1

Kilcoo. Micky Moran
Clonduff vacated yesterday
Mayobridge Ciaràn mc Keever
Burren Jim mc Corry
Ballyholland Justin Lynch
CPN Shane Mulholland
Rostrevor Pete McGrath (senior)
Loughinisland Jody Gormley
Bryansford Stephen Poacher
Carryduff DJ Morgan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 13, 2020, 02:15:10 PM
Division 2

Glen
Longstone - Benny Coulter
Saul - Ronan McCartan
Darragh Cross - DJ Kane/Enda Gormley
Castlewellan - Frank Dawson
RGU -
An Riocht -
Annaclone -
Bredagh - Brendan Mason
At John's

Division 3

Drumgath - Jackie Lynch
Laitroim - Frank Fitzsimmons
Ballymartin -
Saval - Ronan Sexton
Shamrocks -
Tullylish -
Clann Na Banna -
Teconnaught -
Auglisnafin -
Attical -
St. John's Bosco -

Division 4

Dundrum - John Clarke
Glasdrumman -
St Paul's -
Drumaness -
Dromara -
Kilclief -
Mitchell's - John Treanor
Ahaderg -
Bright -
Ardglass -
At Michael's -
East Belfast -

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 14, 2020, 04:00:55 PM
Brillant win by the hurlers, no one had give them much of a chance. Unreal performance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 14, 2020, 04:03:40 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 14, 2020, 04:00:55 PM
Brillant win by the hurlers, no one had give them much of a chance. Unreal performance.

Serious result. Brilliant work
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 14, 2020, 04:11:17 PM
Fantastic win.  I wasn't overly impressed with Offaly against us last week, just we were shite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 14, 2020, 04:20:23 PM
Yes watching scores on Twitter, fantastic result well deserved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on November 14, 2020, 07:35:42 PM
Serious result today .. well done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 14, 2020, 07:39:07 PM
Good second half performance last week. That's what is needed tomorrow. I think we will win with a few to spare. Cavan no great shakes.
Expect Kerr and Johnstone to start
We can't not start them
Can't wait for this match
Well done to the hurlers today. Mighty result
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 14, 2020, 07:50:43 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 14, 2020, 07:39:07 PM
Good second half performance last week. That's what is needed tomorrow. I think we will win with a few to spare. Cavan no great shakes.
Expect Kerr and Johnstone to start
We can't not start them
Can't wait for this match
Well done to the hurlers today. Mighty result
don't expect Ryan Johnson or liam kerr to start, one thing about paddy tally is that he very rarely names dummy teams. Expect both to come on in 2nd half when the game opens up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 14, 2020, 08:07:51 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 14, 2020, 07:39:07 PM
Good second half performance last week. That's what is needed tomorrow. I think we will win with a few to spare. Cavan no great shakes.
Expect Kerr and Johnstone to start
We can't not start them
Can't wait for this match
Well done to the hurlers today. Mighty result

Cavan will dominate midfield. That's just how raw size works. If they push up on our kickouts ww could find it a struggle to gain consecutive possessions.

Doesn't matter how few shakes the opposites team has if they're dominating primary possession. This is going to be an exceptionally tough game for Down I reckon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: up the rovers on November 14, 2020, 08:08:50 PM
Quote from: dingle82 on November 14, 2020, 07:35:42 PM
Serious result today .. well done

Certainly was
Congratulations to Ronan Sheehan and everyone involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 14, 2020, 09:15:52 PM
Well done to our Hurlers today. They stuck at it and did brilliantly. Hope.they can go on and win it next sat against kildare.
Tomorrow is no easy task. Up against a team that has been playing against superior opposition than Down have over last few years. I'm failing to see why Down are favourites for this game. Yes we have a chance but as said above midfield is massive tomorrow. Down have never really had a kickout strategy and I'd expect cavan to push up on any short kickouts. Hopefully our pace will see us over the line , we need to start better than last week which I feel was due to a lack of game time.
Title: FAO Johnneycool
Post by: No1 on November 14, 2020, 09:25:09 PM
What did ya reckon about that result today? I didn't see it. Boys must have performed well? Glad to see the Viper learned something about penalties from his Ballycam days!!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on November 14, 2020, 11:35:50 PM
Brilliant by our hurlers today.  Well done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 15, 2020, 11:06:24 AM
A brilliant result for the hurlers yesterday.  While we've had some good managers from the Ards I think we do better with managers from outside the big three. Ronan Sheehan has done an impressive job and great to see so many clubs represented.  Pairc TV coverage was excellent again.
Hopefully the courage shown yesterday will inspire the footballers today; posters are right to question why Down are favourites as realistically how many people would fancy us if we were up against Monaghan today?
We are probably at the same standard as Armagh/Derry/Cavan with a few significant differences; we have a couple of players who can 'show some magic'- thinking Mooney/O'Hagan/J Johnston/Kerr/Quinn- and we have a manager who knows what he's about and who the players trust and respect.  That should get us over the line today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 15, 2020, 02:06:31 PM
That's the best performance by a Down team since Kerry in 2010.

The players are absolutely dialled in, and are moving and thinking as a team. Attacking with such conviction that Cavan are genuinely scared shitless.

Keep it going lads.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 15, 2020, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 15, 2020, 02:06:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 14, 2020, 08:07:51 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 14, 2020, 07:39:07 PM
Good second half performance last week. That's what is needed tomorrow. I think we will win with a few to spare. Cavan no great shakes.
Expect Kerr and Johnstone to start
We can't not start them
Can't wait for this match
Well done to the hurlers today. Mighty result

Cavan will dominate midfield. That's just how raw size works. If they push up on our kickouts ww could find it a struggle to gain consecutive possessions.

Doesn't matter how few shakes the opposites team has if they're dominating primary possession. This is going to be an exceptionally tough game for Down I reckon.
The first half couldn't be any more opposite to this.

Absolutely delighted to be proven wrong.

Down attacking kickouts in droves for the breaking ball. It's a pleasure to watch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 15, 2020, 02:16:06 PM
Brillant first half. Jerome, Mooney and Liam kerr brilliant. Speed unreal. Best half of football down have produced in years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 15, 2020, 03:00:49 PM
You would have to question some of the substitutions that have been made and some that haven't.

This has been a collapse of epic proportions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 15, 2020, 03:04:52 PM
Unreal collapse.

How did a team that player with such an unselfish conviction for 35 mins evolve into that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 15, 2020, 03:07:29 PM
Unreal collapse, brutal 2nd half. Couldn't win a kickout.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 15, 2020, 03:07:49 PM
From 10 points up to that is nothing short of utterly pathetic
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 15, 2020, 03:09:13 PM
McKernan and Poland lasting the full match, Kerr and Devlin coming off so early, Ryan Johnstone coming on with 3 minutes to go, you could go on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on November 15, 2020, 03:13:47 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 15, 2020, 03:07:49 PM
From 10 points up to that is nothing short of utterly pathetic
Poland and flynn are not county standard or any where near it ! O hare mckernan Poland flynn burns s,Johnson  =shite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: grounded on November 15, 2020, 03:27:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 15, 2020, 03:04:52 PM
Unreal collapse.

How did a team that player with such an unselfish conviction for 35 mins evolve into that?

Its hard to know where to start. As a Down supporter definitely feel sick. My only consolation and its a very small one is we would have got got absolutely anhilated by Donegal.
     Cavan arent that much better but at the very least they can contest midfield. They will get tanked too, just not by as much.
      Until we get a pair of midfielders who can at least compete in the air we will always struggle.
       We also had a bagful of goal chances which we didnt take kicking balls into the keepers hands time after time, kills morale.
       
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 15, 2020, 03:29:58 PM
Poland and flynn won nothing in midfield, how Poland stayed on as long is baffling. Shealan coming on before Ryan is another strange one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 15, 2020, 03:33:09 PM
Quote from: grounded on November 15, 2020, 03:27:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 15, 2020, 03:04:52 PM
Unreal collapse.

How did a team that player with such an unselfish conviction for 35 mins evolve into that?

Its hard to know where to start. As a Down supporter definitely feel sick. My only consolation and its a very small one is we would have got got absolutely anhilated by Donegal.
     Cavan arent that much better but at the very least they can contest midfield. They will get tanked too, just not by as much.
      Until we get a pair of midfielders who can at least compete in the air we will always struggle.
       We also had a bagful of goal chances which we didnt take kicking balls into the keepers hands time after time, kills morale.
       

Finding one midfielder of note would do for now.  If Darren O hagan and Gerrard McGovern were added to the defence and Harrison added as an option up front there is the makings of a team there.

The players need to look at themselves after that but the line def did not help.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on November 15, 2020, 03:33:38 PM
What midfielders have we got that would be capable of winning primary possession: Feel free to add to the list
Ronan McAlinden
Liam Middleton
Ruairi McCrickard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 15, 2020, 03:35:59 PM
Maybe he wasn't following his man or doing the necessary dirty work off the ball that we don't see on the tv but Kerr coming off so early is totally baffling.  He was one of the ones that was causing huge damage running at Cavan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 15, 2020, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on November 15, 2020, 03:33:38 PM
What midfielders have we got that would be capable of winning primary possession: Feel free to add to the list
Ronan McAlinden
Liam Middleton
Ruairi McCrickard


That list wouldn't inspire me but I can't think of any other which is quite depressing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on November 15, 2020, 03:41:24 PM
Although we got cleaned at midfield 2nd half that wasent the main reason we got beat. Clear cut goal chances were missed and so many wrong decisions were made 2nd half. We still had enough chances to win the game even without primary possession.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on November 15, 2020, 03:42:51 PM
Flynn had mckiernan pocketed until he got that silly yellow card at end of 1st half and from then on McKiernan dominated him. Is Niall Donnelly not fit enough to play (if not why is he on the panel)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 15, 2020, 03:43:44 PM
Quote from: hardstation on November 15, 2020, 03:40:17 PM
To be fair, Down had the same lads in midfield in the 1st half and did well. They broke ball and worked like dogs to win the breaks. They didn't bring that same intensity to the 2nd half, for whatever reason.

A mixture of Cavan squeezing up and McKiernan wakening up was the difference.  Down don't have someone at 6 3 or 6 4 to do that .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2020, 03:58:14 PM
Down just don't have that physicality around the middle
Flynn
Poland
Mooney
Donnelly
Nothing else in the county
Time for cool heads around management
Kerr coming off was strange
Very strange
Johnstone only getting 3 minutes
The kickouts to the sideline?? What's that about
S J very inexperienced not to pass that ball for a clear goal
A game of 2 half's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 15, 2020, 04:00:51 PM
Disappointed would be putting it mildly but glad to see posters aren't getting too personal here.
Every one of those lads did their best for the red and black at a challenging time in all our lives; they aren't paid, there are no supporters, you wouldn't put a dog out in those conditions.
Good luck to Cavan, they're going to need it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on November 15, 2020, 04:07:05 PM
Any Team that allows a 10 point winning margin to be overturned is going nowhere. Very poor substitutions. Cavan were petrified of the pace of Kerr & Mooney in the first half, yet we took both off?

Our failure to convert simple, clear cut chances came back to bite us. Poland taking that pass away from Devlin, when waiting to bury it springs to mind.

McKiernon and Galligan cleaned us out at Midfield, yet neither Conor Poland nor Johnny Flynn had the sense to start breaking every kick out to try and gain some sort posession. How Poland managed to remain on the field baffled me.

Another story of hard luck, great first half etc, etc. We simply lack the game intelligence to ensure our shooters end up on the ball in the scoring zone. Good Teams ensure this is a basic tactic.

We badly need a Midfield or at least a tactic that allows us to compete in there. Because at the minute it is a major area of our downfall.

McKernan is not the answer at sweeper!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on November 15, 2020, 04:15:30 PM
We unfortunately crumpled when the pressure was on and it's hard to understand how players who were outstanding in the first half lost their way so badly after the break. A little calmness with all those chances in the middle of the second half when we were still three or four in front would have stopped Cavan's momentum, and sadly our substitutions did not work at all. We have to hope that our younger players will learn from the experience today and can develop further in division two. However, realistically, it will take us a long time to get over today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2020, 04:22:06 PM
The lads give it their best
It may be a while before we get a draw like this year
To avoid
Donegal
Tyrone
Monaghan
Armagh
Derry
May not happen for a while
It's a massive opportunity missed
At least we have division 2 next year which will help us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on November 15, 2020, 04:28:26 PM
Division 2 next year with the likes of Mayo and Cork should help bring this Down team on massively. I know everyone will be disappointed today with management but look at the amount of players that Tally has brought in to the team and have given debuts to. This is a down team nearing the end of a transition phase and there looks to be 80% of a team there but its just finding those missing links
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2020, 04:40:10 PM
Still big question marks over the sideline
No kickout strategy after 2 years
Why take off Kerr
Why no Johnstone
It's the big calls we are payin for and most big calls he has got wrong
Louth last year
Today
Mayo last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on November 15, 2020, 04:45:11 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2020, 04:40:10 PM
Still big question marks over the sideline
No kickout strategy after 2 years
Why take off Kerr
Why no Johnstone
It's the big calls we are payin for and most big calls he has got wrong
Louth last year
Today
Mayo last year

What's a kickout strategy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 15, 2020, 05:09:23 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 15, 2020, 04:45:11 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2020, 04:40:10 PM
Still big question marks over the sideline
No kickout strategy after 2 years
Why take off Kerr
Why no Johnstone
It's the big calls we are payin for and most big calls he has got wrong
Louth last year
Today
Mayo last year

What's a kickout strategy?

For the better teams, it's along the lines of:

1. If you have to go long, only kick it in the direction of their best fielder if you've a better fielder.
2. If they're generally better in the air, then go to break it every time. Every time.
3. Then swarm the break.

The strategy favoured by overthinkers has 13 different variations, each with shrowded secret calls, to ensure that players refuse to use instinct when hunting the ball. I mean why would they want to do that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 15, 2020, 05:13:07 PM
There is a bit of science to the break ball.

Yet all the video analysts in the world don't seem to bother!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2020, 05:14:19 PM
Well explained wobbler
Down kick the ball to the same side of the field every Tom dick and Harry know this
Why not mix it up without getting over technical about it. Keep it simple
Just change it up a bit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on November 15, 2020, 05:35:08 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2020, 05:14:19 PM
Well explained wobbler
Down kick the ball to the same side of the field every Tom dick and Harry know this
Why not mix it up without getting over technical about it. Keep it simple
Just change it up a bit

Lol.

Is this your kick out strategy??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 15, 2020, 07:02:33 PM
Some ridiculous comments here. No need to get personal or use profanities when referring to lads representing the county. That's nothing short of disgraceful.

Yes Down lost today after being in a commanding position. However that is how sport works. Nothing is certain and two halves can be polar opposites for no apparent reason.

There are certainly positives coming from this current panel and with a few tweaks they could be a serious outfit. But this pining for players who aren't there is really fantasy stuff. It's very possible that the likes of O'Hagan, McGovern, Harrison will never play in the same down team together again. They may be available but such is the way it goes, you rarely have what you think is your 'best' team or panel available.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 15, 2020, 07:18:47 PM
What is fantasy about 3 players back playing for their county ?  Not sure about Harrison but the other two will be lining out for their club and will likely make themselves available.  It's not as if we are talking about lads that have refused to commit over the years or that that have career threatening injuries.

Haven't seen two many go overboard on comments, is an honest assessment of a players performance not allowed anymore, are we all too precious these days.

Anyway I'm more concerned by what looks to be pre determined changes along the line on the last two games.  Nothing else would explain some of the changes today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on November 15, 2020, 08:22:50 PM
A major problem is down rely too much on individuals and not on the collective . That can be levelled at down teams throughout the previous years . One or two players will have a great day one game and be anonymous the next . Outside of Darren o Hagan through the years  I struggle to think of anyone that gives a 7/10 performance nearly every game . The top sides have consistent performers , so that if a few main men are marshalled the collective still achieves . Too much is built around Mooney , it took him to be the difference maker last week in a key moment and he was again this week for 35 minutes . Then he went out of the game and the whole team collapsed as a forward moving unit . On a positive , the lads like Daniel Guiness and the whole new full back line are solid if unspectacular and are good additions .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on November 15, 2020, 08:37:07 PM
Best football Ive seen from Down in a long long time in that 1st half, such a pity it was followed by 2nd half collapse. What will really annoy the players is that even when Cavan really put the pressure on Down, they still had opportunities to kill the game off. Few strange calls from the line today but  there is a significant improvement in this team. Div2 next year will definitely improve them again. Obvious again how much we struggled to win kickouts (basically been a problem since Gordan, Rodgers, and King retired) Maybe next year Jack Hazard could be in with a shout of no.1 Jersey, definitely need few more options in MF. Would Ryan McAvoy, Charlie Smith, O'Rawe be worth a look in there? Couldnt fault the players for effort today, roll on 2021.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 15, 2020, 09:22:34 PM
Disappointing today no doubt. But a few players were found out. We have some lads with serious pace and some with a serious lack of pace.. Jerome and Mooney were better marked in the second half and we seemed to be devoid of ideas without them. As Cavan grew into the game we struggled to get a foothold and it all wasn't just kickouts - decision making on the ball was poor, I'm sure shaelan will take his mark next time and strike the ball unopposed for a score ( that would have put us 4 up) shot selection was poor, our sweeper when they pushed up on him was poor and the line make changes etc but every single bit of criticism can't be about them.
We need to build now, prepare for the onslaught of division 2. Mayo, Cork, Kildare, Meath, Westmeath, Laois, Clare - there are winnable games in there.. sustain ourselves in the league and build for ulster again.. finally - a few players from a certain club need to wind their necks in causing all sorts of problems in the set up.. it's your county you're playing for, if you think it's a professional setup or not means nothing - and the fact you are only in to the panel - conduct yourself with a bit of decorum. And thon other imbecile calling out a fellow players young family needs a good kicking. But you mirror what you see with your club on the pitch in a regular basis...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2020, 09:35:04 PM
Well said Johny
Some incidents this week from certain players upsetting the apple cart
Disgraceful comments towards a players young family
The lad should have been told to leave training
Another dropped from the 26
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 15, 2020, 10:55:37 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 15, 2020, 07:18:47 PM
What is fantasy about 3 players back playing for their county ?  Not sure about Harrison but the other two will be lining out for their club and will likely make themselves available.  It's not as if we are talking about lads that have refused to commit over the years or that that have career threatening injuries.

Haven't seen two many go overboard on comments, is an honest assessment of a players performance not allowed anymore, are we all too precious these days.

Anyway I'm more concerned by what looks to be pre determined changes along the line on the last two games.  Nothing else would explain some of the changes today.

Well I'll put it another way, how long have you/we/they been saying - when x, y & z come back etc. Quite possibly by the time one or all of them come back others will be away. It's an ever evolving situation, so you can't take a team and just theoretically put 3 players into it. It may never happen.

And calling out 6 players by name and equalling them as shite is absolutely over the top in my book and no need whatsoever. Nothing about being precious or any of that usual rhetoric.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on November 16, 2020, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2020, 09:35:04 PM
Well said Johny
Some incidents this week from certain players upsetting the apple cart
Disgraceful comments towards a players young family
The lad should have been told to leave training
Another dropped from the 26

Whats this about?? Im guessing Kilcoo??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on November 16, 2020, 08:29:50 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1327658562420690944 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1327658562420690944)

Winning penalty in the hurling. The keeper too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 16, 2020, 08:44:39 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 16, 2020, 08:29:50 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1327658562420690944 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1327658562420690944)

Winning penalty in the hurling. The keeper too.

What a story, won't be easy v Kildare , but Beating Offaly is a massive achievement, well done all and good luck in final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 16, 2020, 09:01:37 AM
Can someone explain what happened in training during the week instead of talking in riddles ?

The first half we were excellent but had chances to kill the game off but did not and Cavan were buoyed by a few early scores.We were devoid of leaders to grab the game by the scruff of the neckin the second period.

We have the basis of a good team and if we can strengthen in a few areas, we could improve. We need to improve in nets and I do think Niall Kane would be a better option here especially from the kick out. Murdock got a cleaning in the second half but he will learn from it and he is the best full-back in the county. We are badly stuck for tall athletic midfielders and to be honest there was not much on show in the club championships. Middleton from Liatriom and Charlie Smyth from the Bridge have potential but physically would not be strong enough yet. It will be a few years to Oran Murdock is ready but he is a hell of a player. Forwards wise we have so many talented fast speedy players but we finally missed the raw strength of Harrsion who gives you the option of kicking it long.
In a strange season we cant judge Tally and the players on one freak 30 minutes, our aim this season was to go up and we done that. The pick of Cavan, Down and Armagh would not beat Donegal anyway so maybe we are better off away from the final.
Lets build for next years league and to try and cement a place in the division.
Title: Re: FAO Johnneycool
Post by: johnnycool on November 16, 2020, 09:36:32 AM
Quote from: No1 on November 14, 2020, 09:25:09 PM
What did ya reckon about that result today? I didn't see it. Boys must have performed well? Glad to see the Viper learned something about penalties from his Ballycam days!!  ;D

ha ha, I think everyone at some stage or other has had a go at playing floor ball with Ballycam, they've folded now as Da John Convery took the pension..

The wee bollox is good at saving penalties as we've found to our cost this year and last year in the club championships.

great win for the lads, Joe Mcdonagh beckons next year irrespective of the final as both teams go up, and with also being promoted to 2A it'll be a huge step up.

The Covid blessing is that with the club campaign over before the county scene more players are able to commit to the county team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 10:04:27 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 16, 2020, 08:29:50 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1327658562420690944 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1327658562420690944)

Winning penalty in the hurling. The keeper too.

Was he using a outfield regulation hurl?  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 16, 2020, 10:20:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2020, 10:04:27 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 16, 2020, 08:29:50 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1327658562420690944 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1327658562420690944)

Winning penalty in the hurling. The keeper too.

Was he using a outfield regulation hurl?  ;D ;)

Is there such a thing? Thought all hurls had to be less that 5 1/2 inches at its widest point..

big Speedy on the Mic not knowing his left from his right......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on November 16, 2020, 10:56:39 AM
That's the way to do it Smurfy and 5times, get behind your keyboard and let them have it. Don't worry about letting the facts get in the way. What happens on the training field should stay on the training field. Strangely in my own county the club that gets all the criticism is the one that is most successful. Jealousy? Anyway lads, in these strange and difficult times let them have both barrels. champion1981, your post naming players was a disgrace. Whatever you boys do, don't let anyone's mental health get in the way of your vitrial.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on November 16, 2020, 10:58:43 AM
Tough one to take yesterday. Tally and the players must be sick this morning. I think it's lazy analysis to say Down had no kick out strategy. Like Tally isn't some young green manager. He's been around and I'm sure kos are discussed in depth. What Down wouldn't give for  Greg mccartan in his prime! They obviously had a strategy in the first half.... Break everything! Cavan just upped their performance in the second half. PD and mooney drifted out of the game and Flynn was doing OK until the big girl from cavan with the pony tail got in his head. Momentum in football is massive. Another goal in the first half would probably have made the difference. Some of the subs was strange to say the least. Kerr coming off was especially weird as he didn't look like he was tired to me. Learning curve for all involved and if truth be told the lesson Donegal would serve them if they had of made final would be more severe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 16, 2020, 11:24:54 AM
Some game in the whole with Down playing some good stuff in the first half but decision making at the start of the second being the killer.
The lad who went for the diving fisted goal and took it off the toes of Johnson IIRC will rue that one as that would have wrestled momentum back for Down when they needed to kill off Cavan. Even then Down kicked some poor wides into that end but whatever way the wind was blowing seemed to cause problems up that end as Cavan did the same in the first half.

Once Cavan got on a roll Down lacked the game management, cuteness, wherewithall and bit of ignorance to put some manners on some of the Cavan lads, pony tail lad being one of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 16, 2020, 04:13:23 PM
Not keyboard warrior stuff
Stating facts
What happen on the training pitch stays on the training pitch is right don't publicise it back to your club
A young lad saying to tally that he thinks he should be on instead on Kevin McKernan. And tally let's him go. Whatever you have to say about McKernan he gives his all and for a young lad just into the squad to come out with crap like that. Fair play to tally for sending him packing
For sure go to the management and ask why you can't get on but to try dish one of our greats. And this on the back of a roasting against Louth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 16, 2020, 09:33:44 PM
Who are the club players that should have been asked in?? Those that produced it in club championship were all there (those that want to be there I mean)
U mention Dylan Ward - what exactly did he do when introduced? Nothing and if he had been on earlier I feel it would have been the same. It's ok sledging ur opponent in club games but when they don't bite at county level - poor Dylan looks ordinary..
someone in previous post mentioned - what happens on a training pitch stays on it - what sort of 70s attitude is that?? Physically yes - if u clip me and later on I clip you then we move on - but that's not what's happening and people don't have to put up with verbal abuse anymore when it's personal. Why should they??
Kevin has been a fantastic servant I agree but his legs are gone at this level and at times this year for his club too. I feel Ryan Johnston into this position at half time and would've offered a serious threat with his pace and ball carrying ability out of defence, keep Kerr on (if not injured) and Mooney - we now have 3 pacy threats running at the opposition.
But it's all ifs Butts and maybes now - the burning question I have is - will Tally stay on?? If an opportunity came to manage or coach ur own county would he not go for that????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on November 16, 2020, 10:43:27 PM
Quote from: yewtree on November 16, 2020, 05:03:34 PM
Still can't my head around yesterday.
10 point lead and a manager with this reputation as being defensive.
This is an all time low.
Let's start from goalkeeper - one dimensional kick outs and no presence under a high ball - look at the penalty incident. Far better keepers in the county than the ex St Marys keeper.
The defence - Kevin McKiernan a great servant to Down but not up to it anymore and especially in key role as 'sweeper'. The ex St Marys player's better days are behind him. Others like Paddy Murdock , Peter Fagan and Daniel Guinness part of the great QUB defence that lost to DCU in Sigerson by about 30 points. Seems to be only interested in these college players and if you look at the squad there are guys there can't even get starting places on their college teams and they are very poor Sigerson teams compared to the past. On kick outs these guys made little movement to give us options as opposed to going long  literally all the time.
Midfield in second half was non existent - Johnny Flynn was bullied out of it.Dylan Ward should have started full stop.Caolan Mooney outstanding and then went quiet.
Up front Jerome Johnston was fantastic in first half and his leg seemed to bother him in second. Liam Kerr was great too but then to be taken off has to be a mystery. Barry O'Hagan the great 'kicker' should have been called off at half time but the biggest mystery is Conor 'never out of the gym' staying on. He wouldn't get on a decent club side.Donal O'Hare just not at this level anymore.
The substitutions I couldn't get my head around ,Corey Quinn needed on yes as did Dylan Ward but the other two they offered nothing, James Guinness an average at best club player (don't think he even starts automatically for his club) and Sheelin Johnston young and not even an established starter for his club.. How Ryan Johnston was not on early is inexplicable.
I think Tally needs help on the side-line as what he has there at the minute is limited. I'd hope to see him be a bit ruthless with his managerial assistants and get a football man in not a gym guy.
There were players in Club Championship who should have been asked in to join the squad.
Yesterday was a dark day for county.

Ah catch yourself on.

I am no fan of Tally and would be very critical of his playing style. I think most of the points you have made above are way off the mark. You have put the boot in there to a group of lads who had to:

Play a completely different brand of football that they have been playing for the last few years - who would have thought - kick passing and playing in the opponents half. And changing to this at a late stage in the championship;

They excelled and gave us the best half of football in this years championship, in the worst conditions;

Deal with a referee who played Cavan back into the match;

Deal with a situation where they had to defend a big lead, in an Ulster SF, against a very hungry and more experienced Cavan team. How many of them would have experience of that?

Play on with some serious questions over substitution decisions, and a serious amount of responsibility placed on relatively inexperienced shoulders;

All of the above, and if they had have taken their goal chances, they would have beat Cavan off the park.

And lost by just a point.

I feel sorry for the players more than I am disappointed. I also feel sorry for Tally, as I believe he set up to win by going for it.

I can't see how your dissection above adds to the discussion.

It is not an all time low. 2019 vs Louth in Pairc Esler was a lot worse.

Dark days if you focus on the bad.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 16, 2020, 11:04:16 PM
Sadly, it probably doesn't even rank in our top 10 worst defeats in the past 20 years.

I'd think throwing away a 7 point lead around 2005 when McCabe came in for the second half, without one of his legs, was probably worse than this weekend.

I'm not totally disheartened though. In Kerr, Guinness, Mooney, Laverty, Annett, there's some exceptional pace around the set up, and things could get very exciting if allowed off the leash. Hopefully Conor McCrickard has the desire to add to this too. Obviously we need to dig out midfielders from somewhere. How do we start a petition to keep Liatroim lads focused on the bigger ball?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 17, 2020, 09:12:00 AM
I agree Wobbler, we were very unlucky not to win but this young side should learn. Some people need to realise that we were not leaving the Gooch and Maurice Fitzergald on the bench.

But a petition for Liatroim  :o They are in division 3 and leagues do not lie but young Middelton has something but is raw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down0202 on November 17, 2020, 01:29:17 PM
In regards to the midfield line. The two midfielders had a great first half. Flynn was roasting McKiernan and Mooney was making great runs.
The problem is the actual fielding of the ball.
During championship, I seen many great midfielders in the air which Down could seriously use for that position.

Kilcoo: Dylan Ward should be starting in midfield and not coming on in the last ten minutes of the game.
Clonduff: Tom Close and Ross Carr were brilliant in the air during championship.
Warrenpoint: Cormac and Ciaran McCartan also had a great championship in midfield.
Leitrim have big McCrickard and Middleton
There are many more that can be looked at but that is what I feel the problem is
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 17, 2020, 01:50:45 PM
If we can unearth midfielders of the calibre of Ambrose and Dan then I definitely think we could win at least an Ulster title in the next few years. Kilcoo have been the benchmark fr a number of years now but they never seem to have the same midfield pairing. They rarely play two traditional midfielders in the sense. Paul Murphy is near 40 and still a good club midfielder. I thought Owen Mccabe would push on but I was disappointed in his performances in the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on November 17, 2020, 04:37:15 PM
I think there was a bit of an overreaction to the result by some in the county never mind on here. Very disappointing to lose from the position we were in but there's definitely something in that performance to work from. There looks to be a lack of a plan from kick outs but you can't lay all that blame on the keeper. You can only give it short to someone who wants it and you need to be confident they won't lose it from there. When you watch it on TV it's hard to see if there was movement or not, but there didn't seem to be. With all the kick out plans you still have to be at least able to compete with the opposition midfield because it won't always go your way. Down didn't do that in the 2nd half but did it really well in the 1st.
Substitutions didn't work out for them either. It's easy to say that was Tally's fault or blame the lads that came on but the game was running away from Down at the time and players were trying to force things. You're going to get more mistakes then. I thought maybe Ryan Johnston should have been on earlier. The sweepers should of dropped back to help out the full back line when Cavan were lumping balls in but again on the TV it didn't seem to happen.
Some great scores and defensive work in the 1st half shouldn't be completely forgotten but 10 points is a big lead to let go.

Hurlers had a great win. Fair play to Ronan and all the lads involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walt Jabsco on November 17, 2020, 05:13:35 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 16, 2020, 11:04:16 PM
Sadly, it probably doesn't even rank in our top 10 worst defeats in the past 20 years.

I'd think throwing away a 7 point lead around 2005 when McCabe came in for the second half, without one of his legs, was probably worse than this weekend.

I'm not totally disheartened though. In Kerr, Guinness, Mooney, Laverty, Annett, there's some exceptional pace around the set up, and things could get very exciting if allowed off the leash. Hopefully Conor McCrickard has the desire to add to this too. Obviously we need to dig out midfielders from somewhere. How do we start a petition to keep Liatroim lads focused on the bigger ball?

Says a lot when you are looking to get hurlers to play and in a year where we had one of the easiest paths to an Ulster Final in years   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 18, 2020, 08:54:13 AM
Big coup for Hilltown who have got Niall and Barney on board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 18, 2020, 10:54:12 AM
Quote from: downjim on November 18, 2020, 08:54:13 AM
Big coup for Hilltown who have got Niall and Barney on board.

Massive coup if it's true. But would be surprised.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on November 18, 2020, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 18, 2020, 10:54:12 AM
Quote from: downjim on November 18, 2020, 08:54:13 AM
Big coup for Hilltown who have got Niall and Barney on board.

Massive coup if it's true. But would be surprised.

Serious appointment if correct but talk over the weekend was that Wee James approached for it but was told no way could he bring the brother, so that leaves James in an awkward position to who he can bring with him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down0202 on November 18, 2020, 02:58:22 PM
From what I heard Harte done a sly move to Hilltown. Wee James be a great appointment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 21, 2020, 06:23:39 PM
Great win for the camogs today, into the all ireland intermediate final next week. Hopefully hurlers can also win tomorrow, good luck to players and management. Match Live on tg4 YouTube.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 22, 2020, 08:04:40 PM
Wasn't to be for the hurlers, 3 goals conceded were a killer in a closely fought match. Down just couldn't get level in 2nd half, kildare always managed to stay a couple of points ahead. Tough defeat but still a very good year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on November 22, 2020, 08:11:07 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 22, 2020, 08:04:40 PM
Wasn't to be for the hurlers, 3 goals conceded were a killer in a closely fought match. Down just couldn't get level in 2nd half, kildare always managed to stay a couple of points ahead. Tough defeat but still a very good year.

Was a good game , but Kildare physically much stronger. I enjoyed game but pity Down didn't get win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 22, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
I thought Down played the better hurling with some great scoring. But kildare size proved the difference. Though the goals were a bit slack but onwards and upwards for the hurlers Joe McDonagh next year.
Might be a few sore footballers this evening after watching a cavan team we shouldve beaten last week win the ulster title today over a very fancied Donegal.  Although Cavan probably a more physical match for Donegal than Down wouldve been. But we will never know and congrats to Cavan and Tipp .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on November 22, 2020, 10:37:22 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 22, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
I thought Down played the better hurling with some great scoring. But kildare size proved the difference. Though the goals were a bit slack but onwards and upwards for the hurlers Joe McDonagh next year.
Might be a few sore footballers this evening after watching a cavan team we shouldve beaten last week win the ulster title today over a very fancied Donegal.  Although Cavan probably a more physical match for Donegal than Down wouldve been. But we will never know and congrats to Cavan and Tipp .

Considering we tore that Cavan team apart for 30 mins, and even in the second half had good chances to put them away, maybe we are turning a corner
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 22, 2020, 11:10:29 PM
Quote from: befair on November 22, 2020, 10:37:22 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 22, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
I thought Down played the better hurling with some great scoring. But kildare size proved the difference. Though the goals were a bit slack but onwards and upwards for the hurlers Joe McDonagh next year.
Might be a few sore footballers this evening after watching a cavan team we shouldve beaten last week win the ulster title today over a very fancied Donegal.  Although Cavan probably a more physical match for Donegal than Down wouldve been. But we will never know and congrats to Cavan and Tipp .

Considering we tore that Cavan team apart for 30 mins, and even in the second half had good chances to put them away, maybe we are turning a corner
definitely, it's not all negative, we had enough chances to kill of cavan last week. We left behind 2-4 at least in 2nd half which even if we'd only got the points would've been enough. The 1st half showed how what we can do, the 2nd showed what we badly need to improve on. Leaders needed when things turn against us, that's where Darren O'hagan was badly missed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 23, 2020, 09:18:42 AM
Quote from: befair on November 22, 2020, 10:37:22 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 22, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
I thought Down played the better hurling with some great scoring. But kildare size proved the difference. Though the goals were a bit slack but onwards and upwards for the hurlers Joe McDonagh next year.
Might be a few sore footballers this evening after watching a cavan team we shouldve beaten last week win the ulster title today over a very fancied Donegal.  Although Cavan probably a more physical match for Donegal than Down wouldve been. But we will never know and congrats to Cavan and Tipp .

Considering we tore that Cavan team apart for 30 mins, and even in the second half had good chances to put them away, maybe we are turning a corner
Yes. Without doubt there is hope. A good div 2 campaign next year is the goal now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 23, 2020, 11:13:54 AM
This is almost schoolground stuff. We played well against Cavan and Cavan beat Donegal so we wudve beat Donegal - bollocks.. Cavan had the physicality to mark Michael Murphy (hardly seen him in the game) and they had the pace/doggedness to stay with mchugh (nowhere to be seen when the tide turned) they had a powerful fullback who limited mcbreaty to a couple and he was replaced late on - let's be honest we don't have those... putting a pacy player on mchugh robs us of that player in an attacking sense as it's a disciplined job needed on mchugh. We are far enough away yet.. division 2 is massive for us next year to build something worthwhile.. we need to hit the ground running and beat at least 2 of the big teams in the section.. cork/Meath showed at weekend they can be got at so target them as well as Laois, Westmeath and Clare and that would be a great league..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 23, 2020, 01:35:11 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 22, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
I thought Down played the better hurling with some great scoring. But kildare size proved the difference. Though the goals were a bit slack but onwards and upwards for the hurlers Joe McDonagh next year.
Might be a few sore footballers this evening after watching a cavan team we shouldve beaten last week win the ulster title today over a very fancied Donegal.  Although Cavan probably a more physical match for Donegal than Down wouldve been. But we will never know and congrats to Cavan and Tipp .

Inability to win possession up the field an issue for the hurlers, one that in all fairness they worked reasonably well to negate. Kildare more direct and their half back line dominated most of the second half.

A good season for the hurlers all in but need some big ignorant forwards able to put their paw on a ball with two or three hanging off them, no one in the Ards as yet meets that criteria so need to look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 23, 2020, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 23, 2020, 01:35:11 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 22, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
I thought Down played the better hurling with some great scoring. But kildare size proved the difference. Though the goals were a bit slack but onwards and upwards for the hurlers Joe McDonagh next year.
Might be a few sore footballers this evening after watching a cavan team we shouldve beaten last week win the ulster title today over a very fancied Donegal.  Although Cavan probably a more physical match for Donegal than Down wouldve been. But we will never know and congrats to Cavan and Tipp .

Inability to win possession up the field an issue for the hurlers, one that in all fairness they worked reasonably well to negate. Kildare more direct and their half back line dominated most of the second half.

A good season for the hurlers all in but need some big ignorant forwards able to put their paw on a ball with two or three hanging off them, no one in the Ards as yet meets that criteria so need to look elsewhere.

Is it just me JC , but the current senior squad seem to have a great attitude , and was this something missing in many Down hurlers in recent years. Rónán Sheehan seems intensely committed , and it seems to be rubbing off on the players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 24, 2020, 08:05:10 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 23, 2020, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 23, 2020, 01:35:11 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 22, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
I thought Down played the better hurling with some great scoring. But kildare size proved the difference. Though the goals were a bit slack but onwards and upwards for the hurlers Joe McDonagh next year.
Might be a few sore footballers this evening after watching a cavan team we shouldve beaten last week win the ulster title today over a very fancied Donegal.  Although Cavan probably a more physical match for Donegal than Down wouldve been. But we will never know and congrats to Cavan and Tipp .

Inability to win possession up the field an issue for the hurlers, one that in all fairness they worked reasonably well to negate. Kildare more direct and their half back line dominated most of the second half.

A good season for the hurlers all in but need some big ignorant forwards able to put their paw on a ball with two or three hanging off them, no one in the Ards as yet meets that criteria so need to look elsewhere.

Is it just me JC , but the current senior squad seem to have a great attitude , and was this something missing in many Down hurlers in recent years. Rónán Sheehan seems intensely committed , and it seems to be rubbing off on the players.

Fair play to Ronan, he does seem to build up a relationship with the players and a good few he'd have been involved with through the development squads and the likes but there was no club county divide due to Covid which probably helped him get some lads to commit to the shortened intercounty scene.
Normally you'd be playing a CR game on the Saturday and an Antrim League game on the Sunday and that's too much for some of the older lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 24, 2020, 05:19:40 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 24, 2020, 08:05:10 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 23, 2020, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 23, 2020, 01:35:11 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 22, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
I thought Down played the better hurling with some great scoring. But kildare size proved the difference. Though the goals were a bit slack but onwards and upwards for the hurlers Joe McDonagh next year.
Might be a few sore footballers this evening after watching a cavan team we shouldve beaten last week win the ulster title today over a very fancied Donegal.  Although Cavan probably a more physical match for Donegal than Down wouldve been. But we will never know and congrats to Cavan and Tipp .

Inability to win possession up the field an issue for the hurlers, one that in all fairness they worked reasonably well to negate. Kildare more direct and their half back line dominated most of the second half.

A good season for the hurlers all in but need some big ignorant forwards able to put their paw on a ball with two or three hanging off them, no one in the Ards as yet meets that criteria so need to look elsewhere.

Is it just me JC , but the current senior squad seem to have a great attitude , and was this something missing in many Down hurlers in recent years. Rónán Sheehan seems intensely committed , and it seems to be rubbing off on the players.

Fair play to Ronan, he does seem to build up a relationship with the players and a good few he'd have been involved with through the development squads and the likes but there was no club county divide due to Covid which probably helped him get some lads to commit to the shortened intercounty scene.
Normally you'd be playing a CR game on the Saturday and an Antrim League game on the Sunday and that's too much for some of the older lads.
Tbf, Antrim will make fixtures suit their clubs and county teams. They'll not go out of their way to suit Down county team fixtures which often don't always coincide with Antrim county team . It seems to Me that Ulster GAA should step up to make a meaningful Ulster League , so that Foen clubs don't have to play in Antrim leagues
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 24, 2020, 07:17:28 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 24, 2020, 05:19:40 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 24, 2020, 08:05:10 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 23, 2020, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 23, 2020, 01:35:11 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 22, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
I thought Down played the better hurling with some great scoring. But kildare size proved the difference. Though the goals were a bit slack but onwards and upwards for the hurlers Joe McDonagh next year.
Might be a few sore footballers this evening after watching a cavan team we shouldve beaten last week win the ulster title today over a very fancied Donegal.  Although Cavan probably a more physical match for Donegal than Down wouldve been. But we will never know and congrats to Cavan and Tipp .

Inability to win possession up the field an issue for the hurlers, one that in all fairness they worked reasonably well to negate. Kildare more direct and their half back line dominated most of the second half.

A good season for the hurlers all in but need some big ignorant forwards able to put their paw on a ball with two or three hanging off them, no one in the Ards as yet meets that criteria so need to look elsewhere.

Is it just me JC , but the current senior squad seem to have a great attitude , and was this something missing in many Down hurlers in recent years. Rónán Sheehan seems intensely committed , and it seems to be rubbing off on the players.

Fair play to Ronan, he does seem to build up a relationship with the players and a good few he'd have been involved with through the development squads and the likes but there was no club county divide due to Covid which probably helped him get some lads to commit to the shortened intercounty scene.
Normally you'd be playing a CR game on the Saturday and an Antrim League game on the Sunday and that's too much for some of the older lads.
Tbf, Antrim will make fixtures suit their clubs and county teams. They'll not go out of their way to suit Down county team fixtures which often don't always coincide with Antrim county team . It seems to Me that Ulster GAA should step up to make a meaningful Ulster League , so that Foen clubs don't have to play in Antrim leagues

When in Rome and all that.

TBH if the Ulster Council were to come up with a league for everyone and Antrim decided they were still going it alone we'd probably stay with Antrim.
The main reason being is that you know when a fixture is set it won't be pulled for a football game, with the Ulster Council pulling the strings you can bet your bottom dollar that if a Derry dual club was having issues with fixtures the hurling ones will get the chop. We couldn't afford for that to happen.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 24, 2020, 09:18:14 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 24, 2020, 07:17:28 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 24, 2020, 05:19:40 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 24, 2020, 08:05:10 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 23, 2020, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 23, 2020, 01:35:11 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 22, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
I thought Down played the better hurling with some great scoring. But kildare size proved the difference. Though the goals were a bit slack but onwards and upwards for the hurlers Joe McDonagh next year.
Might be a few sore footballers this evening after watching a cavan team we shouldve beaten last week win the ulster title today over a very fancied Donegal.  Although Cavan probably a more physical match for Donegal than Down wouldve been. But we will never know and congrats to Cavan and Tipp .

Inability to win possession up the field an issue for the hurlers, one that in all fairness they worked reasonably well to negate. Kildare more direct and their half back line dominated most of the second half.

A good season for the hurlers all in but need some big ignorant forwards able to put their paw on a ball with two or three hanging off them, no one in the Ards as yet meets that criteria so need to look elsewhere.

Is it just me JC , but the current senior squad seem to have a great attitude , and was this something missing in many Down hurlers in recent years. Rónán Sheehan seems intensely committed , and it seems to be rubbing off on the players.

Fair play to Ronan, he does seem to build up a relationship with the players and a good few he'd have been involved with through the development squads and the likes but there was no club county divide due to Covid which probably helped him get some lads to commit to the shortened intercounty scene.
Normally you'd be playing a CR game on the Saturday and an Antrim League game on the Sunday and that's too much for some of the older lads.
Tbf, Antrim will make fixtures suit their clubs and county teams. They'll not go out of their way to suit Down county team fixtures which often don't always coincide with Antrim county team . It seems to Me that Ulster GAA should step up to make a meaningful Ulster League , so that Foen clubs don't have to play in Antrim leagues

When in Rome and all that.

TBH if the Ulster Council were to come up with a league for everyone and Antrim decided they were still going it alone we'd probably stay with Antrim.
The main reason being is that you know when a fixture is set it won't be pulled for a football game, with the Ulster Council pulling the strings you can bet your bottom dollar that if a Derry dual club was having issues with fixtures the hurling ones will get the chop. We couldn't afford for that to happen.
Fair point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on November 28, 2020, 04:21:06 PM
Any word on who will get the U20's job? I would have liked wee James to take it, as he's coached a lot of players as minor manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 28, 2020, 04:40:15 PM
I'd like to see Conor Laverty get it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 28, 2020, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: ardtole on November 28, 2020, 04:40:15 PM
I'd like to see Conor Laverty get it.

Why?? So we can have another group of players who say what they want on the pitch and then fight it in higher authority to get cleared... no thank you...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 29, 2020, 12:36:38 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on November 28, 2020, 04:21:06 PM
Any word on who will get the U20's job? I would have liked wee James to take it, as he's coached a lot of players as minor manager.

Ffs that's brought them all on well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 30, 2020, 08:50:57 AM
Niall and Barney be a good fit for the u20s?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down0202 on November 30, 2020, 12:08:22 PM
Dinky McBride away to Clonduff. Good appointment?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 30, 2020, 02:56:43 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 30, 2020, 08:50:57 AM
Niall and Barney be a good fit for the u20s?

Benny Coulter has it in the bag.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on November 30, 2020, 03:30:06 PM
I'd like to see Pete McGrath get and have Niall McAleenan as his assistant. I think would be a great chance for Niall to learn off Pete and an opportunity away from the Barney on his own. But some people overplay the Barney card as Barney hasn't won much at championship level.
We owe so much to Pete and feel we should definitely bring him back in to the county set up. Benny also is still cutting his teeth so leave him be for a few years until he gets that experience.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on November 30, 2020, 04:02:22 PM
Next years u20s should be good with loads of players getting action in the SFC this year for the top teams which is an encouraging sign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 30, 2020, 04:45:22 PM
Quote from: yewtree on November 30, 2020, 03:30:06 PM
I'd like to see Pete McGrath get and have Niall McAleenan as his assistant. I think would be a great chance for Niall to learn off Pete and an opportunity away from the Barney on his own. But some people overplay the Barney card as Barney hasn't won much at championship level.
We owe so much to Pete and feel we should definitely bring him back in to the county set up. Benny also is still cutting his teeth so leave him be for a few years until he gets that experience.

Wee Pete would be a great choice, but forget Niall. What Down really needs is 3 of the 1994 panel joining Pete as selectors. Great bunch of lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 30, 2020, 05:13:04 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 30, 2020, 02:56:43 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 30, 2020, 08:50:57 AM
Niall and Barney be a good fit for the u20s?

Benny Coulter has it in the bag.
Wouldn't have a great work ethic as a number 1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CornUladh on December 03, 2020, 11:27:35 AM
Quote from: SamFever on November 30, 2020, 05:13:04 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 30, 2020, 02:56:43 PM
Quote from: downjim on November 30, 2020, 08:50:57 AM
Niall and Barney be a good fit for the u20s?

Benny Coulter has it in the bag.
Wouldn't have a great work ethic as a number 1.

Longstone lads would disagree
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 03, 2020, 06:56:59 PM
Are all clubs sorted with management at this stage???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 04, 2020, 03:19:17 PM
Mark Dorn and Jerome Johnstone new Ballybay managers
Shane Beattie also away to manage Coalisland in Tyrone
Will that mean Paddy Tally to name a new backroom team?
Ballybay is a big club. A few titles and a few final defeats
Paddy O Rourke away to Castlewellan anyone hear that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 04, 2020, 04:32:45 PM
Years ago we used to have top managers who managed teams to play the right way and to win, Ray Morgan being the cream of the crop. A proven winner.
Now we have managers/coaches/gurus, strength and conditioning etc on the circuit with no record of success but still being hired by clubs.
There are managers doing the rounds for the guts of 15 years who have not won a thing. I am at a loss how there are boys on the gravy train making a killing because they can take a good session or the players love him. People need to wake up and smell the coffee. Show me your medals please, that is all that matters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 04, 2020, 05:05:42 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 04, 2020, 04:32:45 PM
Years ago we used to have top managers who managed teams to play the right way and to win, Ray Morgan being the cream of the crop. A proven winner.
Now we have managers/coaches/gurus, strength and conditioning etc on the circuit with no record of success but still being hired by clubs.
There are managers doing the rounds for the guts of 15 years who have not won a thing. I am at a loss how there are boys on the gravy train making a killing because they can take a good session or the players love him. People need to wake up and smell the coffee. Show me your medals please, that is all that matters.
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Ah yes,the good old days.Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 04, 2020, 05:44:13 PM
I hear you downjim
But Morgan had to start somewhere?
Who would you be referring too?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on December 04, 2020, 06:06:54 PM
Outside managers are an expensive and pointless blight on GAA clubs; every club's manager should be a member
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on December 04, 2020, 10:24:03 PM
Quote from: downjim on December 04, 2020, 04:32:45 PM
Years ago we used to have top managers who managed teams to play the right way and to win, Ray Morgan being the cream of the crop. A proven winner.
Now we have managers/coaches/gurus, strength and conditioning etc on the circuit with no record of success but still being hired by clubs.
There are managers doing the rounds for the guts of 15 years who have not won a thing. I am at a loss how there are boys on the gravy train making a killing because they can take a good session or the players love him. People need to wake up and smell the coffee. Show me your medals please, that is all that matters.

Now here is the boy -Downjim I'm guessing you have managed lots and lots of senior club success - a proven winner.

The recent inter county managers we have had from within Down have had no success at senior club level.

Take a look at say Ross Carr and Dj Kane zero success.
James McCartan zero success with Burren,St Galls and Balinderry effectively given the road by all teams. And now in his 6th year at County Minor as DownJim says 'People need to wake up and smell the coffee' zero success. His assistants Daniel McCartan and Steven Poacher again zero success. Daniel I'm sure hasn't managed a team at all.
Eamon Burns RIP zero senior club success.
Paddy Tally not from Down , his assistant Mark £££Doran relegated Castlewellan.
Conor Deegan zero success.

The interesting thing is clubs just love paying out money. It will be interesting to see how Paddy Tally picks his new backroom with Doran and Beattie ruling themselves out.
Wee Pete seems to be only manager we have to come back in and settle things back down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 04, 2020, 10:55:51 PM
Best of luck to the girls in the all ireland intermediate camogie final tomorrow 💪
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 05, 2020, 08:12:19 AM
Did McCartan not win a championship with the Galls??
DJ win a league with Newry Shamrocks?
I do think Niall McAleenan would be a good man to replace those men with Barney also involved on match days
His knowledge is second to none which brought huge success to us this past 4 years
Looking at an article Doran will do both Ballybay and Down so he stays
Beattie will more than likely do both
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 05, 2020, 11:56:04 AM
Quote from: befair on December 04, 2020, 06:06:54 PM
Outside managers are an expensive and pointless blight on GAA clubs; every club's manager should be a member

That is all well and good - but its not easy being criticised by neighbours for playing the wrong team, playing the wrong tactics, being accused of not picking so-and-so because yer granda had a row with his granda 50 years ago etc etc etc.

I agree with the sentiment - but have had variations on the above put to me by men who did manage their club at senior level. So its not just a case of clubs looking outside - there is also a case of many within not wanting the spotlight of the parish on them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 05, 2020, 12:22:25 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on December 05, 2020, 11:56:04 AM
Quote from: befair on December 04, 2020, 06:06:54 PM
Outside managers are an expensive and pointless blight on GAA clubs; every club's manager should be a member

That is all well and good - but its not easy being criticised by neighbours for playing the wrong team, playing the wrong tactics, being accused of not picking so-and-so because yer granda had a row with his granda 50 years ago etc etc etc.

I agree with the sentiment - but have had variations on the above put to me by men who did manage their club at senior level. So its not just a case of clubs looking outside - there is also a case of many within not wanting the spotlight of the parish on them.

If getting an internal manager was so easy , why are most clubs happy to pay expenses to an "outsider". I think it's a myth that there are mercenary coaches going around coining it. I have Known many external coaches and I've yet to Meet one who's primary motivation is money. In my experience they are highly motivated people, who enjoy doing what they're good at, and contribute enormously to clubs and GAA development. Often they won't coach in their own clubs for the reasons mentioned above , whereas they can enjoy coaching an external team where they are judged on their merits with no internal factors to distract them. It's particularly important for less successful clubs to see a different approach to bring them on , rather than insular stagnation. Even if an internal coach is happy to do the job, and does not cost expenses , it's not necessarily the perfect answer. Outside ideas are healthy. Those that cry re coaching expenses would be better focussing on the current unfairness in the GAA where Dublin clubs can pay GPOs , helped by GAA funding. I think this obviously works in Dublin, and is creating employment which is brilliant, however the GAA should be working towards a mechanism for making it available in every county . Given the future challenges for society , the GAA is in a position to create employment and make an even greater contribution to society .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on December 05, 2020, 05:27:16 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 05, 2020, 12:22:25 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on December 05, 2020, 11:56:04 AM
Quote from: befair on December 04, 2020, 06:06:54 PM
Outside managers are an expensive and pointless blight on GAA clubs; every club's manager should be a member

That is all well and good - but its not easy being criticised by neighbours for playing the wrong team, playing the wrong tactics, being accused of not picking so-and-so because yer granda had a row with his granda 50 years ago etc etc etc.

I agree with the sentiment - but have had variations on the above put to me by men who did manage their club at senior level. So its not just a case of clubs looking outside - there is also a case of many within not wanting the spotlight of the parish on them.

If getting an internal manager was so easy , why are most clubs happy to pay expenses to an "outsider". I think it's a myth that there are mercenary coaches going around coining it. I have Known many external coaches and I've yet to Meet onex who's primary motivation is money. In my experience they are highly motivated people, who enjoy doing what they're good at, and contribute enormously to clubs and GAA development. Often they won't coach in their own clubs for the reasons mentioned above , whereas they can enjoy coaching an external team where they are judged on their merits with no internal factors to distract them. It's particularly important for less successful clubs to see a different approach to bring them on , rather than insular stagnation. Even if an internal coach is happy to do the job, and does not cost expenses , it's not necessarily the perfect answer. Outside ideas are healthy. Those that cry re coaching expenses would be better focussing on the current unfairness in the GAA where Dublin clubs can pay GPOs , helped by GAA funding. I think this obviously works in Dublin, and is creating employment which is brilliant, however the GAA should be working towards a mechanism for making it available in every county . Given the future challenges for society , the GAA is in a position to create employment and make an even greater contribution to society .

Are you for real?...the love of the job etc. You must be in the manager's union.

If money isn't the motivating factor and it's their love of that club, why don't they let the brown envelopes go back into the underage development of said club?

Also, their love of the club mustn't be that great if they move to another club down the road after one year!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 06, 2020, 10:18:44 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 05, 2020, 08:12:19 AM
Did McCartan not win a championship with the Galls??
DJ win a league with Newry Shamrocks?
I do think Niall McAleenan would be a good man to replace those men with Barney also involved on match days
His knowledge is second to none which brought huge success to us this past 4 years
Looking at an article Doran will do both Ballybay and Down so he stays
Beattie will more than likely do both

How do you work that out?? Runner up in championship and league does not equate to huge success in my eyes...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 08, 2020, 09:44:56 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 06, 2020, 10:18:44 PM
How do you work that out?? Runner up in championship and league does not equate to huge success in my eyes...

Its all relative...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 08, 2020, 05:16:52 PM
I would call it a success
Under 20 deadline with 6 in for it
Great to see so many going for it

Ross Carr
DJ MORGAN
Danny Hughes
Michael Walsh
Niall McAleenan
Paul McCartan

Some good candidates and good spread
Each have good credentials
Interviews next week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 08, 2020, 05:31:58 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 08, 2020, 05:16:52 PM
I would call it a success
Under 20 deadline with 6 in for it
Great to see so many going for it

Ross Carr
DJ MORGAN
Danny Hughes
Michael Walsh
Niall McAleenan
Paul McCartan

Some good candidates and good spread
Each have good credentials
Interviews next week

I hope Niall Mc Aleenan isn't looking for the same money that priced himself and 3 others out of the Clonduff job, after winning nothing with Point but according to people being very successful  :o. Hughes appointed in Castlewellan which is a big enough job in itself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 08, 2020, 05:46:10 PM
I would see it as success as do a lot of people
Well he hardly going to do Clonduff for the good of his health
He surely is now the front runner for the under 20s?
Or maybe a few of the above could come together as a team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 08, 2020, 05:57:43 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 08, 2020, 05:46:10 PM
I would see it as success as do a lot of people
Well he hardly going to do Clonduff for the good of his health
He surely is now the front runner for the under 20s?
Or maybe a few of the above could come together as a team?

Nobody remembers losers and that is exactly what the Point are and have been for a very long time, by not losing by as much as before then that suddenly makes you a success. Still losing in my book.  As for apparently asking Clonduff for £1000 a week for 4 men, you be the judge of how his health is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 08, 2020, 06:05:34 PM
Clonduff would take a championship final so they would
Niall has a very well supported team around him when it comes to his management team and I'm sure Clonduff would have benefited from him and his team
If the county board want a strong team he has it

1 Niall
2 Ross
3 Mickey Walsh
4 Danny Hughes
5 DJ
6 Paul M

That's the route I would go
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 08, 2020, 06:21:57 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 08, 2020, 05:57:43 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 08, 2020, 05:46:10 PM
I would see it as success as do a lot of people
Well he hardly going to do Clonduff for the good of his health
He surely is now the front runner for the under 20s?
Or maybe a few of the above could come together as a team?

Nobody remembers losers and that is exactly what the Point are and have been for a very long time, by not losing by as much as before then that suddenly makes you a success. Still losing in my book.  As for apparently asking Clonduff for £1000 a week for 4 men, you be the judge of how his health is.
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 08, 2020, 06:05:34 PM
Clonduff would take a championship final so they would
Niall has a very well supported team around him when it comes to his management team and I'm sure Clonduff would have benefited from him and his team
If the county board want a strong team he has it

1 Niall
2 Ross
3 Mickey Walsh
4 Danny Hughes
5 DJ
6 Paul M

That's the route I would go

You mean he can't stand on his own feet and his da makes all the calls during games, yes very well supported alright. I wouldn't exactly call him and his management team strong,how do you work that one out smurfy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 08, 2020, 06:25:33 PM
I've explained lotto he came into us and took us to places that we never had been. A born winner. Why would he not lean on his father for support
If Down are serious about things Niall and his team should be front runners
Ross is also high up the list
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CHB1 on December 08, 2020, 07:44:08 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 08, 2020, 05:57:43 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 08, 2020, 05:46:10 PM
I would see it as success as do a lot of people
Well he hardly going to do Clonduff for the good of his health
He surely is now the front runner for the under 20s?
Or maybe a few of the above could come together as a team?

Nobody remembers losers and that is exactly what the Point are and have been for a very long time, by not losing by as much as before then that suddenly makes you a success. Still losing in my book.  As for apparently asking Clonduff for £1000 a week for 4 men, you be the judge of how his health is.

£40k? Surely that is rumour? Is that the sums that people would be looking to manage a team these days?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 08, 2020, 07:49:57 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 08, 2020, 06:25:33 PM
I've explained lotto he came into us and took us to places that we never had been. A born winner. Why would he not lean on his father for support
If Down are serious about things Niall and his team should be front runners
Ross is also high up the list

No Barney, just stop right there. You are embarrassing yourself, sweet mother A BORN WINNER?. Why in good God would you say that? He has never won anything in his life, nothing with the Point and even worse in his day job, nothing with his school when he has had serious talent on both fronts. I don't like running the man down but people like you build him up to be something he is not. He is far from a born winner or you would have won something in his time there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 09, 2020, 08:05:07 AM
Yes a born winner. Barney and Niall are a team he doesn't hide behind him
All I am saying if Down want that winning spark Niall could be that man
Should he drop his backroom team for a few pound. No
My views will not change he is one of the best up and coming managers in Ulster
Liatrom Clonduff and Castlewellan all wanted him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on December 09, 2020, 10:01:53 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 09, 2020, 08:05:07 AM
Yes a born winner. Barney and Niall are a team he doesn't hide behind him
All I am saying if Down want that winning spark Niall could be that man
Should he drop his backroom team for a few pound. No
My views will not change he is one of the best up and coming managers in Ulster
Liatrom Clonduff and Castlewellan all wanted him

I thought born winners normally win something so must have missed something. I hear also we have missed out on No 1 choice for U20s as they had already headed for Ballybay. Second choice look like remaining at IFC winners. Wide open from here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downjim on December 09, 2020, 11:46:56 AM
who are the remaining IFC winners? who is favourite for the job. If Walsh is going for it I think he would be a good choice. Laverty would be another man I would like to see in there but he could be tied up with Banty. Neil Coulter has done excellent work at underage in Burren and is doing good work with Killeavy.
Niall Mc would be another good option and its great to see some good names around which bodes well for the future.
Someone like this should get it and that is no disrespect to the older guys but a fresh face would be good.
We should be able to compete at u20s and hopefully win silverware for the next few seasons so its a big appointment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 10, 2020, 04:38:35 PM
According to I.N. Conor Laverty also in for the U20's job, apparently he has Marty Clarke and Brendan McVeigh as part of his backroom team. Would be a good appointment. Very highly rated coach and strong team in with him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 10, 2020, 05:08:58 PM
By all accounts that piece of shit Laverty has been appointed along with Martin Clarke, Declan Morgan and Sean Boylan (obviously the Meath one if this is to be believed). While Laverty might be a decent coach, I wouldn't let any of my sons anywhere near a team with him in charge. His track record speaks for itself, just ask anyone from Mayobridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 10, 2020, 05:14:29 PM
Martin Clarke to be confirmed in next few days
Along with Conor Laverty Brendan McVeigh and Ronan McCartan
That's a good management team
Stiff competition from
Mickey Walsh and Mickey linden
Ross Carr DJ Kane
DJ Morgan
Danny Hughes
Paul McCartan Neil Coulter


Some men in for it
Good to see
I wish Conor Marty Brendan and Ronan all the best
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 10, 2020, 06:46:43 PM
Conor laverty, Marty Clarke and Sean boylan set to be confirmed tonight for down u20s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on December 10, 2020, 07:16:10 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 10, 2020, 05:08:58 PM
By all accounts that piece of shit Laverty has been appointed along with Martin Clarke, Declan Morgan and Sean Boylan (obviously the Meath one if this is to be believed). While Laverty might be a decent coach, I wouldn't let any of my sons anywhere near a team with him in charge. His track record speaks for itself, just ask anyone from Mayobridge.
🤣 lotto,  your sons would have to be asked first, 🙈🙈
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on December 10, 2020, 07:28:58 PM
Great appointment at long last the county board stop looking to the 91 and 94 teams for these management roles good luck to laverty and his management team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on December 10, 2020, 07:45:49 PM
Agree with PTC; every good under 20 player in Down will want to be part of that setup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 10, 2020, 08:19:09 PM
I'm not too optimistic about that u20 management team.. Monaghan didn't really set the world alight with Laverty in the background team and St Johns haven't exactly prospered with Clarke when was in with them.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 10, 2020, 08:40:46 PM
Lavertys record with kilcoo underage teams is nothing short of remarkable. I could understand if mayobridge players in particular had a problem with him, and didn't want to commit, but overall a very strong coaching package and I wish them every success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 10, 2020, 08:58:45 PM
Good appointments
Listen Monaghan and St John's did not go to well for the lads but you can only work with what you have
Clarke was hardly meant to do much with them
Give them a chance
Ardtole don't be getting carried away now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 10, 2020, 09:07:46 PM
Don't be getting carried away with what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 10, 2020, 09:14:06 PM
His record with Kilcoo underage is nothing short of remarkable?
1 successful age group
Like most clubs have
CPN had it a few years ago
Burrens minor team now
Kilcoo minor last year
Rostrevor 4 minors in a row
Mayobridge back in the day

What's remarkable about it?

That's not taking away I'm delighted with that appointment
But stop getting carried away
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on December 10, 2020, 09:41:28 PM
Lots of big Egos in that mgt team, hopefully it's not a case of too many chiefs. Serious cost as well no doubt so the pressure is on to deliver. I strongly dislike the dark arts Laverty brings it was even apparent in Monaghans defeat to Cavan. However I'd never want a Down team to fail so fingers crossed they bring success and get a healthy amount of u20s progressing so senior football at inter County standard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on December 10, 2020, 09:46:09 PM
Caolan Mooney transfer from rostrevor to downpatrick rgu confirmed yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 10, 2020, 10:06:54 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 10, 2020, 09:14:06 PM
His record with Kilcoo underage is nothing short of remarkable?
1 successful age group
Like most clubs have
CPN had it a few years ago
Burrens minor team now
Kilcoo minor last year
Rostrevor 4 minors in a row
Mayobridge back in the day

What's remarkable about it?

That's not taking away I'm delighted with that appointment
But stop getting carried away

More age groups than just minor at underage level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 10, 2020, 10:12:53 PM
He managed the one team through the ranks
What is remarkable about that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 10, 2020, 10:32:39 PM
Some bitterness on here. Best of luck to the new management team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 10, 2020, 10:53:22 PM
It's somewhere between needy and confused to involve such a big management team. The u20 season is not long enough, not exclusive enough (in terms of player availability) and doesn't enjoy enough continuity of players year-on-year, to warrant over analysis, over training, over conditioning.

It's even odder as Laverty has brought a club team up through the ranks at this exact age group, so in terms of scouting, he will be familiar with the all but the springiest of springers sent his way.

Why anyone would want hours of management meetings and calls about something they've so little time to mould into a team with an identity  is, I suppose, beyond me.

But i still have a good feeling about  the top of this tree. If football brains on the field has any correlation with football brains off the field, we should be in for a treat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 10, 2020, 11:01:21 PM
No bitterness here
Was just calling ardtole out on his quite remarkable comment
Lads get carried away and come out with wild statements like that
It's like calling a good player a legend
Everyone's a legend these days
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on December 11, 2020, 08:30:30 AM
Or like calling someone who has never won anything a born winner !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on December 11, 2020, 01:21:02 PM
Good to see Laverty getting involved in the county set up, Sean Boylan's involvement is a bit out there but good luck to them, with a bit of success this could be our senior management team in the next few years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on December 11, 2020, 05:36:11 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 10, 2020, 06:46:43 PM
Conor laverty, Marty Clarke and Sean boylan set to be confirmed tonight for down u20s.

Disgraceful appointment, to bring in an outsider like Boylan ahead of Pete McGrath.
Conor Laverty has never managed a senior team , he was with Monaghan for a few months and they didn't want him back. Martín Clarke was at St John's and did nothing. If we are going down this celebrity route with Boylan things are at a low ebb.
To overlook the Niall McAleenan management was disgraceful and as I alluded to before , could have easily persuaded Pete McGrath in to mentor him. But to bring in Boylan is laughable.
With respect to him he is hardly relevant to the game now, he has been away from it two decades now.
I thought with Jack Devaney at the helm things would change but Down still stuck in the 90s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on December 11, 2020, 05:42:45 PM
Quote from: yewtree on December 11, 2020, 05:36:11 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 10, 2020, 06:46:43 PM
Conor laverty, Marty Clarke and Sean boylan set to be confirmed tonight for down u20s.

Disgraceful appointment, to bring in an outsider like Boylan ahead of Pete McGrath.
Conor Laverty has never managed a senior team , he was with Monaghan for a few months and they didn't want him back. Martín Clarke was at St John's and did nothing. If we are going down this celebrity route with Boylan things are at a low ebb.
To overlook the Niall McAleenan management was disgraceful and as I alluded to before , could have easily persuaded Pete McGrath in to mentor him. But to bring in Boylan is laughable.
With respect to him he is hardly relevant to the game now, he has been away from it two decades now.
I thought with Jack Devaney at the helm things would change but Down still stuck in the 90s.

Down still stuck in the 90s.

And yet you want Pete McGrath?????
Sure why not give it to Ross/DJ/Wee James
Also, how do you know Laverty not still with Monaghan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on December 11, 2020, 06:01:41 PM
5 times beat me to it. You want McGrath but you want out of the 90's??

Im no fan of Laverty but he is a very good coach and highly regarded one and he gets my respect for that. Has done great things in terms of coaching and development in his own club and with other clubs in Ulster he has been involved unknown to many. Some antics of his his playing and coaching past i dislike but no denying hes good man for the job. Boylan a great idea... someone from outside the county with very experienced head and no predetermined thoughts on any player that will also be a good mentor. I wouldnt be as
Keen on Marty Clarke being in as has done zero in terms of coaching but maybe as a forwards coach or more technical skills stuff he may have a place. Rest of the management spot On and good overall team new and fresh bring new approaches to a good group of players. All not rosey in monaghan obviously as banty has lost Laverty and Peter Donnelly in past 2 weeks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on December 11, 2020, 07:54:13 PM
Great appointment. Down have been stuck with 91/94 for too long. It was like groundhog day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Verticalball on December 11, 2020, 08:27:17 PM
Delighted to see this to be honest. No sense in having Laverty in Monaghan when we need the best coaches here. Exciting management and if a few more make it through to seniors we can challenge at senior level for an Ulster title.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 12, 2020, 10:52:57 AM
Is ther much talk of hope for the current Down Minor footballers in this years championship. Obviously it's will be a team heavily resourced from Burren.   Tyrone are prob a strong side as usual. Monaghan have done well recently. I havent seen any odds on this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on December 12, 2020, 12:41:43 PM
Yes would be a big disappointment if they don't at least make an Ulster final especially with the easier side of the draw.

The only doubts are that it's all on the day and if there is any issues around covid.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 12, 2020, 07:59:18 PM
There is huge expectation on this minor group to deliver. Now I believe they can at least get to the Ulster final and then it's just one performance to win it. They should be relatively fresh by the time they get to the final too as they have an easy side of the draw. They will account for Fermanagh easily next weekend and Monaghan should beat Cavan - Monaghan have done quite well in recent seasons at minor but this years group are not well placed.
The other side of the draw with Donegal, Tyrone and Derry is tough to call. But either Tyrone or Donegal should be the opposition in the final.
Huge representation from burren on this panel and indeed team - add in a couple from Bredagh, young Savage from Loughinisland and big Jack Howlett from CPN and you have a serious team.
Regarding the U20 appointment - I'm not a fan but am willing to give it a go - let's see what happens.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on December 15, 2020, 03:22:18 PM
Caolan Mooney transfer from Rostrevor to RGU has now been confirmed I believe. With word that Anthony Doherty also returning home from oz Downpatrick will be hard to stop in division 2 next season. Any other new management appointments confirmed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on December 15, 2020, 10:20:13 PM
Club loyalty!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on December 15, 2020, 10:56:13 PM
Why has Mooney transfered to Downpatrick?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on December 15, 2020, 11:56:20 PM
£5 k a week, summer house in Killough/ Clough ( can never tell the difference) Why wouldn't he
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on December 16, 2020, 10:21:11 AM
Quote from: Godsown on December 15, 2020, 11:56:20 PM
£5 k a week, summer house in Killough/ Cough ( can never tell the difference) Why wouldn't he

absolute bull

5k a week  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 16, 2020, 02:50:59 PM
Quote from: general on December 16, 2020, 10:21:11 AM
Quote from: Godsown on December 15, 2020, 11:56:20 PM
£5 k a week, summer house in Killough/ Cough ( can never tell the difference) Why wouldn't he

absolute bull

5k a week  ::)
Godsown/General, this is a serious issue.It is reputable 3K signing on Fee and an agreed fee
per league appearance and more for championship matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on December 16, 2020, 02:57:58 PM
I'm sure Dean Rock,COC, Aidan O'Shea or one of those boys would come up and live in Downpatrick for 260k a year ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 16, 2020, 06:42:48 PM
Quote from: general on December 16, 2020, 10:21:11 AM
Quote from: Godsown on December 15, 2020, 11:56:20 PM
£5 k a week, summer house in Killough/ Cough ( can never tell the difference) Why wouldn't he

absolute bull

5k a week  ::)
🤣 there are professional sportspeople not on that.  Lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on December 17, 2020, 02:47:45 PM
QuoteKillough/ Clough ( can never tell the difference)

  ;D  ;D

Drive through both on the same day in early July and that should help clear that up!

Not sure I'd want a summer house in either!   ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on December 18, 2020, 04:27:53 PM
With the post-Christmas lockdown, will the Ulster minor championship be abandoned?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 18, 2020, 04:42:08 PM
Quote from: befair on December 18, 2020, 04:27:53 PM
With the post-Christmas lockdown, will the Ulster minor championship be abandoned?
I'd say that could be a possibility. Not sure what restrictions will be in Republic, so semis and final may be able to be played in the 3 southern counties.but then you may have travel restrictions etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on December 18, 2020, 11:02:13 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on December 18, 2020, 04:42:08 PM
Quote from: befair on December 18, 2020, 04:27:53 PM
With the post-Christmas lockdown, will the Ulster minor championship be abandoned?
I'd say that could be a possibility. Not sure what restrictions will be in Republic, so semis and final may be able to be played in the 3 southern counties.but then you may have travel restrictions etc.

Will the National Leagues now take place if no collective training allowed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 19, 2020, 01:19:23 AM
Quote from: knockitdown on December 15, 2020, 10:56:13 PM
Why has Mooney transfered to Downpatrick?

He is living in the parish, which would be the reason for any potential transfer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 19, 2020, 06:57:59 AM
I thought i read somewhere during the summer he married a girl from downpatrick, she plays for down ladies i think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 19, 2020, 10:30:27 AM
No he's getting married to a girl in Downpatrick and they have a child coming next year so makes sense
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 19, 2020, 01:09:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 18, 2020, 11:02:13 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on December 18, 2020, 04:42:08 PM
Quote from: befair on December 18, 2020, 04:27:53 PM
With the post-Christmas lockdown, will the Ulster minor championship be abandoned?
I'd say that could be a possibility. Not sure what restrictions will be in Republic, so semis and final may be able to be played in the 3 southern counties.but then you may have travel restrictions etc.

Will the National Leagues now take place if no collective training allowed?

Currently, no sporting activity is permitted between Stephen's Day and 2 Jan. After this the only permitted training or games would be elite sport which is only inter county minor or senior. All other training is not permitted after 26 December.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on December 19, 2020, 09:39:15 PM
On the topic of club transfers, Former county goalkeeper Kieran Gordon is living in Newry following his well publicised personal issues.

Wonder would any Newry club take a punt on him... He's obviously got the talent but whether or not he would commit or not to Gaa again would be questionable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 19, 2020, 10:41:53 PM
What an U.17 team we have tomorrow v Fermanagh, I hope the Burren team does the business.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on December 20, 2020, 12:08:39 AM
Quote from: general on December 19, 2020, 09:39:15 PM
On the topic of club transfers, Former county goalkeeper Kieran Gordon is living in Newry following his well publicised personal issues.

Wonder would any Newry club take a punt on him... He's obviously got the talent but whether or not he would commit or not to Gaa again would be questionable

Transferred to cullyhanna last season and played in championship for them. Word has it he has since been chased so would be available to other clubs yes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on December 20, 2020, 11:01:16 AM
What is the U17 team for today ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 20, 2020, 01:44:00 PM
Awful first half from Down minor footballers, behind 0-7 to 0-2 in Enniskillen with no scores from play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on December 20, 2020, 01:50:33 PM
Very very poor, playing with no cohesion and look like a bunch of boys who have never met each other before which is strange considering 8 of them are from the one team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FermGael on December 20, 2020, 02:29:56 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 12, 2020, 07:59:18 PM
There is huge expectation on this minor group to deliver. Now I believe they can at least get to the Ulster final and then it's just one performance to win it. They should be relatively fresh by the time they get to the final too as they have an easy side of the draw. They will account for Fermanagh easily next weekend and Monaghan should beat Cavan - Monaghan have done quite well in recent seasons at minor but this years group are not well placed.
The other side of the draw with Donegal, Tyrone and Derry is tough to call. But either Tyrone or Donegal should be the opposition in the final.
Huge representation from burren on this panel and indeed team - add in a couple from Bredagh, young Savage from Loughinisland and big Jack Howlett from CPN and you have a serious team.
Regarding the U20 appointment - I'm not a fan but am willing to give it a go - let's see what happens.

Lovely post
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on December 20, 2020, 02:34:00 PM
Really disappointing, had high hopes for that team but 5 scores in 60 mins isn't going to get you very far.

Terrible performance only worsened by the referee.  End of the road for that management team and yet another disappointing year for down underage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on December 20, 2020, 02:35:01 PM
Shocking by the management team, that Burren minor team was being talked about as the best ever at under 17 level .
Fair play to Fermanagh, they fully deserved it.
Looking back to 2010 it seems clear that McIver and Tally were the main men
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 20, 2020, 02:35:43 PM
To only score 1-4 in championship football is shocking .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on December 20, 2020, 02:37:30 PM
Fair point Fermgael and pure and utter arrogance on the part of that poster. Nothing is given at this age group and we had no right to expect a win. The one thing that comes out of this is that this management team have had more than ample opportunities at this age group. Coaching in Down needs a complete overhaul at development squad level as whatever we are doing isn't working for quite a few years . Good luck to Fermanagh ongoing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 20, 2020, 02:43:19 PM
Wow.. I stand corrected.. that was horrible to watch.. fair play to Fermanagh for their performance but serious questions need to be asked of that coaching set up we have at minor level. This year was the dream ticket getting poacher out of Carlow and him spread over the Irish news talking tripe about coming home to help out. He went to the minors because he thought he was guaranteed success with that group and they played one championship game only. Disgrace. Mark Poland - did he do any work with the forward division at all. Yes Fermanagh were defensive but with us playing the 13-2 formation the lads should be used to breaking down mass defences in training. This is still a serious footballing group and hopefully Laverty etc can get something from them when they move to the next level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2020, 02:44:53 PM
Am embarrassing performance from a team expected to go very far
Some quarters had an All Ireland in that team
Time for the management to step aside
Time for people to wake up to certain peoples self confessed innovators of the game who does not get results but talk a good game
Time to go
What other minor selector in ulster would be in the Irish news talking about wjat a great team they have
Not the manager the selector
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 20, 2020, 02:49:33 PM
Down failed to score a point from play and were poor from start to finish. Discipline was a big problem, decision making across the pitch was pretty dreadful and there will have to be serious questions asked of the management. It's hard to understand why there was such confidence about our prospects as our underage record has been dire over recent years. Fermanagh were solid rather than brilliant, but that was more than good enough on the day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on December 20, 2020, 02:56:50 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 20, 2020, 02:43:19 PM
Wow.. I stand corrected.. that was horrible to watch.. fair play to Fermanagh for their performance but serious questions need to be asked of that coaching set up we have at minor level. This year was the dream ticket getting poacher out of Carlow and him spread over the Irish news talking tripe about coming home to help out. He went to the minors because he thought he was guaranteed success with that group and they played one championship game only. Disgrace. Mark Poland - did he do any work with the forward division at all. Yes Fermanagh were defensive but with us playing the 13-2 formation the lads should be used to breaking down mass defences in training. This is still a serious footballing group and hopefully Laverty etc can get something from them when they move to the next level.

Is Poacher a bit of a waffler?

He sure likes the media attention.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 20, 2020, 02:57:04 PM
That was very disappointing today. The guys played like they had no game plan and there was definitely no plan b. If they played till midnight I doont think they wouldve got the scores. The Management team let that group of players down. Wee James have given alot to Down football but it hasn't worked out for him , his minor teams have done nothing. Time now for change. And none that are currently there should be getting a go at the job. Fair play to Fermanagh. They had a game plan and got the result they deserved. Best of luck to them against Monaghan. Referee was very poor, no mistake Down wouldnt have won that game with a better ref but he was a poor ref.  Hopefully the U20 management team can do more with these lads. The worry as usual with Down teams is the lack of height.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on December 20, 2020, 03:13:13 PM
Anyone who has watched the Burren minor team this year or through the years will note that they play with a looseness and freedom which makes them a very good team.  Some of those lads seem to have the fear of god in them to move past the half way line.  Ryan Magill is a superb attacking half back yet I never seen him up the field once today.

On another note it is utterly depressing that under 17 teams are so defensive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2020, 03:21:59 PM
Serious questions need to be asked of this management team!
How many games have the won in 5 years?
The big appointment that had a 2 page spread in the back of the Irish news has failed
Clubs are bringing through brilliant underage players and then being paralysed by defensive crap
A goal from play in 65 minutes football
That Burren team are superb. Some of those lads today didn't seem up for the fight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on December 20, 2020, 04:25:49 PM
Shocking result! 1-4 is an awful return for a team that possessed some very gifted attackers. I'd say the Burren minor team would have fared no worse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on December 20, 2020, 06:43:24 PM
County football is a different standard, even for a lower rated county like Fermanagh. Players that look like superstars at club minor level are quickly found wanting; obviously the case for the Burren contingent. Some humility would help
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 20, 2020, 06:46:39 PM
I doubt you're in the wrong place for that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Betsy Gray on December 20, 2020, 07:16:58 PM
Disappointing result for the minor team. We just do not seem to be creating proper inter county standard footballers anymore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 20, 2020, 08:08:55 PM
What a terrible performance from a team considered by some, don't know who, to be one of the favourites for the All Ireland never mind Ulster. And we have the best coach in Ireland involved with them, the self professed all knowing guru, sure it was going to be easy with the wonderful players they had. If he spent less time mouthing off in the press it would have suited him better. It was like they had never trained or played together and met up just this morning for the match, it was just a shambles from start to finish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2020, 08:28:02 PM
Lotto they were made favourites for ulster as they won it at under 16 under the guidance of Patrick Cunningham
And all noises coming out of Down was this was the best underage team they have produced in 10 years
That's why it is such a shock that Fermanagh beat them. Could maybe see into it if it was Donegal Derry or Tyrone but not Fermanagh
When are people going to ask the hard questions of the guru? When?
All talk about what other teams should be doing. Mind your own team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 20, 2020, 08:32:29 PM
What's the hard questions that should be asked. Do tell
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2020, 08:42:24 PM
What exactly have you won?
That hard question
Where is the backup to all the hype?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 20, 2020, 08:49:59 PM
Not that I disagree but what exactly has anyone won recently... Name the successful coaches and the yardstick by which they are successful
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2020, 08:58:26 PM
DJ O TOOLE
NEIL COULTER
BERNIE RUANE
MARTIN JOHNSTONE

Off the top of my head all underage
Brick my point is these men spend a lot of time on social media telling people how other teams should do things to win. If you put yourself out back it up
Don't forget the same manager got humiliated by Carryduff in this year's championship.
But all we hear is he is the best coach in ulster.
How??
Where??
Innovative??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 20, 2020, 09:02:48 PM
This has been a nightmare year for everyone, and particularly disjointed and disruptive to all counties at u17 level. Very disappointing for the lads, but these teenagers should not be judged on a one-off match after a 2 hour journey in separate cars, with disruptive uncertain build up and onward path. Should this age-group have proceeded at Intercounty level in the midst of a pandemic in December ?
Interesting that the football from both sides was patchy and mistake ridden. Football at this age should be about development and I'm not sure if a high profile Intercounty competition at u17 helps that development. Dublin have won 1 minor all-ireland during in the past 20 years  , yet it doesn't seem to impede their senior progress.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 20, 2020, 09:10:25 PM
If you think that the guys you listed are any better or should be coaching our u17s then fair enough. I'd politely disagree.
You're slating the current management team very readily.there are very few alternatives and the cult of coach unfortunately seems to hold serious currency these days. He who shouts loudest and most often will always draw attention.

Whilst it's disappointing the 17 lost today I think its more worrying how little of our schools are making any impression at ulster colleges level Across the board
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2020, 09:14:31 PM
I didn't say these guys were any better
Why would you not think DJ OR COULTER would be fit for it?
Multiple winners with Burren and Carryduff
Agree he who shouts loudest
And also would agree the Down schools have been poor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 20, 2020, 09:18:40 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 20, 2020, 09:02:48 PM
This has been a nightmare year for everyone, and particularly disjointed and disruptive to all counties at u17 level. Very disappointing for the lads, but these teenagers should not be judged on a one-off match after a 2 hour journey in separate cars, with disruptive uncertain build up and onward path. Should this age-group have proceeded at Intercounty level in the midst of a pandemic in December ?
Interesting that the football from both sides was patchy and mistake ridden. Football at this age should be about development snd I'm not sure if a high profile Intercounty competition for  helps that development. Dublin have won 1 minor allure during in the past 20+ years  , yet it doesn't seem to impede their senior progress

Yes it has been a nightmare but it was also a nightmare for Fermanagh who also had to travel - albeit a shorter distance - to the ground today.. we had people (poacher/Poland) going mad about these young men's mental health when the competition was pulled a few weeks ago - so they got their way and got the game played - to show us that inept effort.. and I don't for one second blame the players - they carry out instruction on the pitch - I blame the instructors..
poacher won a junior all Ireland bout 15 years ago that would be about a category E/F grade at colleges level and not one single thing since.. keeping Ballyholland in division 1 and getting within 10 points of Dublin and all of a sudden he is the man everyone wants - apparently... Poland/Dan are cutting their teeth at coaching so will get a by ball on this one - but we're James usually surrounds himself with good people - he got this one badly wrong.
Benny Coulter/Mark Poland/Ronan McCartan/Liam Doyle - let's inject a bit of youth into our coaching.. I know Ronan is back room on u20 but give him a greater role with U17s and let him at it..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on December 20, 2020, 09:55:57 PM
Why would you let him at it? What has he done at minor
Level? One intermediate championship Doesn't warrant a county role. His involvement at u20s isn't even in a coaching capacity which is why he isnt named as part of the management when made public. He may well be a decent coach time will tell but he has more experience to gain as a manager or coach before being ever considered for county minor. Bit of a SM guy like one of our current coaches just like Stevey P.... what was Jim Gavin or Dessie Farrells last SM post? I do agree with likes of Neil Coulter, established and successful at the relevant age group and has had alot of success. Current management team has good mix of experience but they have tried and it hasnt worked unfortunately maybe time for a change
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Betsy Gray on December 20, 2020, 09:58:49 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 20, 2020, 09:10:25 PM
If you think that the guys you listed are any better or should be coaching our u17s then fair enough. I'd politely disagree.
You're slating the current management team very readily.there are very few alternatives and the cult of coach unfortunately seems to hold serious currency these days. He who shouts loudest and most often will always draw attention.

Whilst it's disappointing the 17 lost today I think its more worrying how little of our schools are making any impression at ulster colleges level Across the board

Hit the nail on the head there. And possibly add to that Down players do not appear to feature prominently in the Sigerson Cup at present.

As I stated above, it looks like we are just gong through a patch where we are not producing the players.

Its probably also fair to say that we have not been producing very good coaches in the county for a number of years now. Kilcoo have been doing well at club level but almost their entire coaching team is made up of men from outside the County. I could be wrong but I do not think there have been any coaches from Down finding success with clubs outside our own county (save for Poacher's relatively successful stint with Carlow).

It is good to see some of the younger generation trying to take steps towards becoming coaches. Hopefully they find some success going forward.

Conor Laverty clearly has a great interest in coaching so hopefully he can follow that through with some success. My only concern about him is the baggage he potentially brings to the role but hopefully that won't surface.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 21, 2020, 08:41:03 AM
We are miles behind at underage level
How come the all conquering Burren team which many believe is this best this county has ever produced can win with such ease but yet the county get knocked out in the first round by Fermanagh?
Make no mistake this team were touted in many quarters to win the All Ireland
Maybe it was just an off day and Fermanagh had one of those days?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Calm Down on December 21, 2020, 08:47:26 AM
Having watched all the minor games (yes my life is that boring) I thought Down were lacking both discipline and leadership from their line. They looked like a team who have never been behind or under P before and when they were the management had not way of changing or encouraging them to change. Slow build up almost handing the ball to each other, you can moan about defensive set ups but teams if they want to be the best have to find away round it

Apparently the young lad was sent off for spitting I see on Twitter, surprised as a neutral this is being brushed under the carpet here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 21, 2020, 09:11:43 AM
On a more positive note the U17 hurlers won their All Ireland B Championship yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 21, 2020, 09:19:03 AM
Quote from: Calm Down on December 21, 2020, 08:47:26 AM
Having watched all the minor games (yes my life is that boring) I thought Down were lacking both discipline and leadership from their line. They looked like a team who have never been behind or under P before and when they were the management had not way of changing or encouraging them to change. Slow build up almost handing the ball to each other, you can moan about defensive set ups but teams if they want to be the best have to find away round it

Apparently the young lad was sent off for spitting I see on Twitter, surprised as a neutral this is being brushed under the carpet here
If true then he deserved to walk. I watched the game but didnt see that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 21, 2020, 10:51:55 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 21, 2020, 09:11:43 AM
On a more positive note the U17 hurlers won their All Ireland B Championship yesterday.

Would it be fair to say JC that this was Down's best hurling year fir a long time. Great to see progress being made. 13 redhigh boys on the panel , big credit to the work being done there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 21, 2020, 12:16:47 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 21, 2020, 10:51:55 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 21, 2020, 09:11:43 AM
On a more positive note the U17 hurlers won their All Ireland B Championship yesterday.

Would it be fair to say JC that this was Down's best hurling year fir a long time. Great to see progress being made. 13 redhigh boys on the panel , big credit to the work being done there

Yes, probably has.

A bit like the seniors the u17's were coming off the back of a good round robin championship with the Ports being a good bit stronger than the rest during the round robin phases but at least we gave them a run for it in the final which was a contest right up to the end.
They'd still be a good bit below Antrim IMO, but able for Derry and anything else in Ulster. We're still a good bit away from the days of giving tier one counties their fill of it at underage. The Celtic Challenge was badly missed this year IMO but nothing can be done about that.

These lads were developed by their clubs first and foremost, if they trained once a week for the school it would be the height of it, if at all. We've 3 lads who go to the red high on the panel with another 2 at Knock. They play little enough hurling in school. Portaferry would have a large contingent at the Red High making up most of that 13 you talk about. The credit for their development is with Portaferry.

Some would have played in previous years Celtic Challenges and the CB are getting their act together there although we'd the strange anomaly of us being asked to send a 13yo, a 14yo and 15yo to the final trial in October even though they were ineligible. My take on that is as much as it was a basic mistake to make but what has been happening the developments squads prior to this year when the management felt the need to delve so deep that they wanted to take three of our U15's to an U17 county panel....

Hurling wise schools do very little in terms of development and that's not just the red high, I'd include Knock in there as well. St Columba's would do more than any of them and thats with them having a small enough pick at the minute. Obviously from my days at school we played more football at St Columba's and if we played one hurling game, maybe 2 it was the height of it. So if they get a handful of more games then that's progress, but it's not going to be a major step in a child's development.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on December 21, 2020, 12:58:53 PM
Not sure if it's already been mentioned but thought Paul Falloon was very good in the middle for the U20 All Ireland final. Great decision at the end not to take the easy option and award a free for the Dublin player diving. We are often quick (myself included) to criticize ref's so only right we acknowledge when they have good games too. Well done Paul.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on December 21, 2020, 03:08:59 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on December 21, 2020, 12:58:53 PM
Not sure if it's already been mentioned but thought Paul Falloon was very good in the middle for the U20 All Ireland final. Great decision at the end not to take the easy option and award a free for the Dublin player diving. We are often quick (myself included) to criticize ref's so only right we acknowledge when they have good games too. Well done Paul.

Agree, thought he was excellent
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on December 21, 2020, 04:32:46 PM
I see big mouth Poacher at it again on twitter.. Swiftly deleted his tweet too. Didnt like being called out on his style of muck football & antics, resorting to a low-blow..

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 21, 2020, 08:03:32 PM
What did he post?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 21, 2020, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on December 21, 2020, 08:03:32 PM
What did he post?
after parkinson was getting stuck into him on twitter about down only scoring 1-4 etc etc. Poacher responded with we all have off days, happy christmas and posted a newspaper article of a story about colm parkinson getting charged with assault from years ago. Swiftly deleted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 21, 2020, 09:57:50 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 21, 2020, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on December 21, 2020, 08:03:32 PM
What did he post?
after parkinson was getting stuck into him on twitter about down only scoring 1-4 etc etc. Poacher responded with we all have off days, happy christmas and posted a newspaper article of a story about colm parkinson getting charged with assault from years ago. Swiftly deleted.

To be fair Parkinson is a mouth piece and deserved something thrown at him, shite he spurns on his podcast and twitter only a matter of time. Back to the football disappointing enough result considering the Burren team that were apart of that squad. But perhaps we need to go down a way of like a Barca (La Masia) approach to our development squads?

Have a set out a determined way of playing starting at youngest age group and all our development squads play this way, attacking hard working football that focuses on developing skills of the players. Seems to be a lot put into the S&C sode of things for these underage county players and when you play against them in senior football at least skill wise theres not much to worry about (bar the wee f**kers being fast). S&C can take a back seat and once they hit 17/18 give them S&C plans.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 22, 2020, 09:07:27 AM
Lads not going to get personal with insults about court cases regarding Parkinson. That crap no need in the broad daylight of social media. To many SM gurus about.
Let's get to the facts here. Men are getting big jobs and touted as the best coach in ulster maybe Ireland but backs it up with ZERO trophy's. When will people start asking the hard question?
I see James McCartan has stepped down.
Time for Neil Coulter or Bernie Ruane to stand up please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: oakleaflad on December 22, 2020, 12:31:59 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 21, 2020, 08:41:03 AM
We are miles behind at underage level
How come the all conquering Burren team which many believe is this best this county has ever produced can win with such ease but yet the county get knocked out in the first round by Fermanagh?
Make no mistake this team were touted in many quarters to win the All Ireland
Maybe it was just an off day and Fermanagh had one of those days?
Where did this expectation come from? Not trying to rub it in but Down genuinely would have been no better than Derry, Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan and maybe Armagh and Cavan too at U15/16 with the same age group and that's only in Ulster. Derry won the respective U15 and U16 competitions against Cavan and Donegal in the finals but there isn't a whole lot between most of the sides to be honest. Talk of an All Ireland is crazy from any Ulster side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on December 22, 2020, 12:41:49 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 22, 2020, 12:31:59 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 21, 2020, 08:41:03 AM
We are miles behind at underage level
How come the all conquering Burren team which many believe is this best this county has ever produced can win with such ease but yet the county get knocked out in the first round by Fermanagh?
Make no mistake this team were touted in many quarters to win the All Ireland
Maybe it was just an off day and Fermanagh had one of those days?
Where did this expectation come from? Not trying to rub it in but Down genuinely would have been no better than Derry, Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan and maybe Armagh and Cavan too at U15/16 with the same age group and that's only in Ulster. Derry won the respective U15 and U16 competitions against Cavan and Donegal in the finals but there isn't a whole lot between most of the sides to be honest. Talk of an All Ireland is crazy from any Ulster side.

A good club minor underage team means little at county level. I was involved with a good under-age side who won nearly everything on their way up the ranks. We strolled the county minor championship, but even so had only one player on the county squad. If Burren had 8 on the county team it's a failure of scouting and recruitment from all the other clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on December 22, 2020, 11:34:02 PM
Just a word on the down minors. Of course teams can have an off day and it just didn't seem to happen for the lads on the day. Thought Fermanagh's number 6 and 11 were the two real stand out players on the pitch. In regards to the expectations and hype around this team, there seems to be a lot of this in down and it never does any good. Tipping this team for ulsters and all Irelands before a ball was kicked was madness and maybe young fellas start to buy into this. For anyone in the know, would any of these lads be thought of as the best in the country for there age group? Players in the past like benny coulter, Marty Clarke and Paul mccomiskey were at this age group and had a big say in their teams winning all Ireland's. From the evidence I seen on Sunday this wouldn't be the case but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 23, 2020, 09:35:26 PM
According to the greatest coach in Ireland and now ex Down Minor coach, he is helping some lads on twitter to pick an All Stars football side. Perhaps he would have been better concentrating on picking a minor team that could have beaten Fermanagh last Sunday. He's also on an All Ireland Final review podcast and all talk about that game. Very interesting that he hasn't put forward an analysis of his own teams last Sunday on any of his usual formats, now I would listen to that one but he hasn't the balls to do it. Plenty of talk about other coaches and their teams performance but perhaps he needs to look in the mirror first.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on December 24, 2020, 10:16:11 AM
Happy Christmas to all Gaels, I hope this dreadful pandemics soon defeated, everyone stays safe and healthy and we can all get back to watching attractive games. Also that the greatest coach of all time realises that despite the effort you make to stop the opposition scoring, you still have to get more scores than them to win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Calm Down on December 26, 2020, 03:10:59 PM
If stories are to be believed the Down CB are appealing the red card for the minor who was spitting! If this is true it is disgusting and an awful example to set for a U17 basically tells him that there should be no consequences for his actions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 27, 2020, 12:22:04 PM
Quote from: Calm Down on December 26, 2020, 03:10:59 PM
If stories are to be believed the Down CB are appealing the red card for the minor who was spitting! If this is true it is disgusting and an awful example to set for a U17 basically tells him that there should be no consequences for his actions

Whatever happened to the day when you just took your punishment?? Got sent off for whatever you just sat out the necessary time (which usually meant you missed a few games) but society nowadays we appeal everything, set the wrong precedent esp to young players that they can do as they please and we will get you off on a technicality or something stupid..
on a side note - I heard the keeper got sent off after the final whistle for booting the ball at the ref and that is the red they are appealing not the spitting incident.. still setting wrong precedent IMO..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 28, 2020, 01:44:45 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 27, 2020, 12:22:04 PM
Quote from: Calm Down on December 26, 2020, 03:10:59 PM
If stories are to be believed the Down CB are appealing the red card for the minor who was spitting! If this is true it is disgusting and an awful example to set for a U17 basically tells him that there should be no consequences for his actions

Whatever happened to the day when you just took your punishment?? Got sent off for whatever you just sat out the necessary time (which usually meant you missed a few games) but society nowadays we appeal everything, set the wrong precedent esp to young players that they can do as they please and we will get you off on a technicality or something stupid..
on a side note - I heard the keeper got sent off after the final whistle for booting the ball at the ref and that is the red they are appealing not the spitting incident.. still setting wrong precedent IMO..

If the goalkeeper hit the ref with the ball then maybe a senior debut for him next year, could do with some accurate kicks from our goalkeepers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Calm Down on December 28, 2020, 07:54:00 PM
Having seen a video of the goalkeeper kick incident I think any grounds of appeal will be weak! Whilst it was not booted at the ref it is clear the keeper took his time to line up the kick at the ref and hit him with it, the only defence can be that he was kicking the ball away, however the video would suggest otherwise
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 30, 2020, 06:18:46 PM
Any word on any new faces in the Down panel for 2021 or any returning players? Are the Millars from Glenn still in Oz? G McGovern back involved? See Doherty due back in Ireland soon, be good to see him involved again. Be interesting to see if Shay McCartan makes himself available for the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 30, 2020, 06:24:22 PM
Conor Francis is another who looked decent footballer before he left. Any word in him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on January 04, 2021, 07:45:59 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on December 30, 2020, 06:18:46 PM
Any word on any new faces in the Down panel for 2021 or any returning players? Are the Millars from Glenn still in Oz? G McGovern back involved? See Doherty due back in Ireland soon, be good to see him involved again. Be interesting to see if Shay McCartan makes himself available for the county.

Shay McCartan playing soccer for Ballymena United - won't be playing for Glenn nor Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 06, 2021, 06:06:07 PM
Did anyone else hear that Down seniors were apparently put off the Abbey pitch by the PSNI last night?

Absolutely ridiculous if this is true. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 06, 2021, 06:15:29 PM
It's common knowledge now lotto
Absolutely disgraceful especially with the high numbers in that area
Jesus give it a few weeks until things settle
What's the rule on county and club training?
Elite ok?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 06, 2021, 06:21:20 PM
From Hoganstand

GAA confirms no collective training for inter-county teams until February
January 05, 2021

Inter-county teams will not be allowed to hold collective training sessions throughout January
The GAA has announced that no collective training for inter-county teams will be permitted for at least the remainder of January.

January 15th had been the date set out for inter-county teams to resume training with the National Leagues set to commence at the end of February.

However, in a letter sent out to all county board secretaries this morning, GAA Director General Tom Ryan cited "the current exceptional rise in infection rates of Covid-19 and the increased risk of community transmission" as the reason why teams cannot go back to collective training this month.

Mr Ryan added that club and county gyms must also stay closed until further notice and that breaches of these provisions will be dealt with under Rule 7.2 (e) of the officials guide, which is the rule that refers to misconduct considered to have discredited the Association.

"As you are aware the current Level 5 restrictions in the South will run until January 31at which point the GAA will review the current situation and any further advice in this context will be provided," Mr Ryan's letter reads.

"Finally, it is important to note that outdoor gatherings on GAA property are not permitted – the only current exemption to this is for walkways (which may stay open for use by the community with social distancing in place) and for clubs registered for the 'Ireland Lights Up' walking initiative.

"I fully appreciate the frustrations these additional restrictions may place on our inter-county players and management teams.

"However, the safety of everyone in the game and indeed the broader community has to be our primary focus.

"It has never been more important for our players, coaches and officials to follow both the Government guidelines and our own provisions around training."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 07, 2021, 09:52:55 AM
Big headlines in the Irish news
This is wrong on so so many levels
Whoever authorised that training session should go and go now
I don't mind about loosing and men trying their best at running this county but to go against GAA guidelines is one thing but to go against a major public health announcement is another
This should not be happening and is downright disgraceful on so many levels
So many rules broken
Mixing
Training
Travelling
Using a school that can't take kids
Seriously Down GAA need to make a statement ASAP and someone has to take responsibility for letting this happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 07, 2021, 10:10:39 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 07, 2021, 09:52:55 AM
Big headlines in the Irish news
This is wrong on so so many levels
Whoever authorised that training session should go and go now
I don't mind about loosing and men trying their best at running this county but to go against GAA guidelines is one thing but to go against a major public health announcement is another
This should not be happening and is downright disgraceful on so many levels
So many rules broken
Mixing
Training
Travelling
Using a school that can't take kids
Seriously Down GAA need to make a statement ASAP and someone has to take responsibility for letting this happen.

It's very worrying that they are prepared to go against the govt and gaa guidelines. They could possibly get a ban here. I think the GAA  are only waiting to use some county as an example.and with police involvement it's not hearsay.  This was on the 5th jan and the gaa made the statement on 5th. What were the guidelines in the North for so called elite sports training? Is there a loophole here somewhere? I assume it was at the abbey? I cant see report on the IN website
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 07, 2021, 10:16:35 AM
The GAA guidelines were clear a breach in the rules will result in a minimum 8 week ban
I'm flabbergasted our secretary and chairman give the go ahead here
The rules are clear and very clear
Disgusting on so so many levels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 07, 2021, 01:06:36 PM
A man who I thought woukd have had better sense the Down chairman was telling blatant lies in the Irish news. It was a full training session. In the current circumstances with are very worrying I find this hard to believe woukd happen. Things are much much worse now than what they were 6 months ago. I would think some Downpatrick people wouldn't be to happy with the chairman's words
I got word on Tuesday evening about 10 about this. The one thing you can be sure of with Down is that nothing and I mean nothing stays within the team. The players can't wait to tell tales. The leaks that come out of that squad is frightening
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 07, 2021, 07:25:26 PM
1) Have the players not the b-lls to say NO?
2)Paddy Tally and fellow selectors/Sean Og/Jack Devaney
and indeed the Governors/Headmaster of the Abbey Grammar
should all make a public apology.
Jack Devaney should go further and apologise for his public lies
as there were at least 36 players plus back room team
on site at the Abbey.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on January 07, 2021, 07:54:23 PM
Think Smutfy is right Sam. The players can't hold their own water. That info is all over SM. Serious questions to be answered by the powers that be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on January 07, 2021, 11:52:43 PM
I don't agree with this in the slightest, they had no need to be training when the GAA had only that day made the decision to extend the ban on county training. However, people saying about all the rules they have broken.... the only rule is the GAA rule, in terms of Government guidelines they are allowed to train and play matches the same way that Ulster and Leinster Rugby are they classed as an elite sport however the GAA decided to lead by example and rightly so to extend an internal ban on county training. There is no minimum penalty for teams in breach, any talk of bans for possible breach was never released though maybe it should have been. Training bans have been broken before and no doubt the GAA and down will hope this goes quiet and forgotten about soon, i am sure its a case of they were the ones that got caught as other counties likely doing similar and this will ensure they no longer risk it either. County Board should have shown leadership and made sure this didnt happen

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on January 08, 2021, 10:15:51 AM
There will be no ban the training did not take place on a GAA owned pitch therefore no sanctions can be handed down by Croke Park.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on January 08, 2021, 10:29:16 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on January 08, 2021, 10:15:51 AM
There will be no ban the training did not take place on a GAA owned pitch therefore no sanctions can be handed down by Croke Park.

Did Armagh not get sanctioned for going away to Portugal during a training ban? Doubt there's too many GAA pitches over there?

2nd time in 3 lockdowns where Down GAA have disgraced themselves regarding training sessions when they should have shut up shop.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on January 08, 2021, 02:49:15 PM
A bit different in that there was a specific restriction placed on going abroad for training in the month of April to allow county players play for their clubs in the closed month. Law states they can train so why shouldn't they?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on January 08, 2021, 02:59:09 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on January 08, 2021, 02:49:15 PM
A bit different in that there was a specific restriction placed on going abroad for training in the month of April to allow county players play for their clubs in the closed month. Law states they can train so why shouldn't they?

That is just daft.

If you are playing GAA you abide by the GAA rules.

Law doesnt say I will get sent off for telling someone to f**k off but if I do it on a field to a referee I should be sent off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 08, 2021, 04:01:26 PM
Serious amount of people try so hard to be offended and outraged these days. They are adults, they assessed their own risks and made a choice. The same way we all should in life. Virtue signaling is the latest trend I suppose. Laws broken? No. 'Guidance' not strictly adhered to? Yes. Let's all move on.

As an aside, any players keen to leak things to their mates or others maybe aren't of the right mentality to complete/contribute in a high level team environment. And as mentioned, they are adults so if they didn't agree with whatever was planned, they can speak up and make their own choice.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 08, 2021, 05:00:15 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on January 08, 2021, 04:01:26 PM
Serious amount of people try so hard to be offended and outraged these days. They are adults, they assessed their own risks and made a choice. The same way we all should in life. Virtue signaling is the latest trend I suppose. Laws broken? No. 'Guidance' not strictly adhered to? Yes. Let's all move on.

As an aside, any players keen to leak things to their mates or others maybe aren't of the right mentality to complete/contribute in a high level team environment. And as mentioned, they are adults so if they didn't agree with whatever was planned, they can speak up and make their own choice.

This was not 'guidance'. It was a directive from Croke Park stating in first paragraph in the instruction:
Given the current exceptional rise in infection rates of Covid 19 and the increased risk of community transmission, the GAA has taken the decision that there will be no collective training permitted for inter-county teams for at least the remainder of the month of January.

How exactly do you make this out to be guidance? As for assessing their own risk and making their own choices, the fear that if they didn't attend they could be dropped or playing chances being limited would have been the reason they attended, they would not have said no to Paddy Tally so they had no choice.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 08, 2021, 05:51:21 PM
Who will the front runners be for the vacant minor job?? Surely Poacher has to get it - they didn't get him out of Carlow to train the minors for a year and disappear again??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 08, 2021, 05:52:42 PM
Of course there's the GAA edict in place, which I accept we all must follow.

But on the other hand, what is it that people want to get so upset about?

We were happy enough for elite status to be placed upon same players in November, thereby allowing them to use changing rooms. And now we don't want them to meet at all?

Furthermore we were all witness to a countrywide GAA success story over the summer, when teams trained and played outside only. It worked. It genuinely worked.

So I can't help but think that if teams are willing to meet strictly outdoors for training in January, and practice social distancing wherever possible, then there's no harm in it. In fact I'd prefer they do that than go running alone on frosty, dark roads. Gyms are closed and as most of them do actually work for a living, it would mean frosty, dark roads.

I don't wish to sound like I'm defending GAA rule breaking. But this isn't a golf gate type scenario. Not even close. It's really not far off a "nothing to see here" story.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 08, 2021, 06:08:37 PM
Nothing ever surprises me about you wobbler. You are defending Down for breaking the rules the same way you tried to defend your own club Ballyholland who repeatedly broke the rules during lockdown last year. It was wrong then and it is even more wrong now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 08, 2021, 06:16:47 PM
I'm not defending them.

I just don't really understand the need for outpourings of ire myself. In the grand scale of things that can be done wrong in Covid times, running around outdoors is somewhere between staying at home at going to work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 08, 2021, 06:28:43 PM
From Hoganstand

Down not expecting to face sanctions after Newry gathering
January 08, 2021

Down GAA say they have notified Croke Park of the development
Down GAA say they do not expect to face any sanctions after a number of their senior footballers gathered in Newry last Tuesday.

Elite status allows Down and other counties to train amid Northern Ireland's current lockdown, but the GAA has put a ban on all collective training until February 1 at the earliest.

BBC Sport NI reports that the PSNI looked into the gathering at Abbey Christian Brothers' Grammar School and were "fully satisfied there was no issue".

Down county board chairman Jack Devaney also confirmed that they have notified Croke Park of the development.

"Some of our squad members did gather for approximately 40 minutes at Abbey CBS college on Tuesday evening to discuss individual training programmes," said Devaney.

"Down GAA has notified Croke Park of the development. We were clear that we were not doing any collective training and indeed haven't trained as a group since mid-November.

"We anticipate that no sanctions will arise from this. Approximately 18 attended, and in line with protocols were split into two groups; many were new to the squad and received induction packages and individual programmes until inter-county training resumes."

There is nothing more I hate in life than a liar. Devaney trying to defend what he says the Down players were doing in the Abbey on Tuesday night. Does he think we are stupid when everybody knows it was a training session yet according to him all the GAA rules were being adhered to and it was just to give individual training programmes. There are ways and means of distributing these programmes, the players don't have to be fully kitted out on a pitch to do this. Devaney should take his lies and f**k away back of to Clare or wherever he is from, he can't defend this. Hold your hands up and take it on the chin, they were wrong and broke the rules. Just don't try to tell lies when the truth is very well known.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 08, 2021, 07:19:13 PM
Catch yourself on lotto- pathetic virtue signalling supplemented with personal abuse without knowing facts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 08, 2021, 07:23:32 PM
I just hate liars.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on January 08, 2021, 07:45:27 PM
Thoughts on Rostrevor training in kilbroney over Christmas?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 08, 2021, 08:37:32 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 08, 2021, 07:45:27 PM
Thoughts on Rostrevor training in kilbroney over Christmas?

They need it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 08, 2021, 09:24:53 PM
 Can the posters who used the term "virtue signalling" please explain what it means?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 08, 2021, 11:30:19 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 08, 2021, 07:45:27 PM
Thoughts on Rostrevor training in kilbroney over Christmas?

Thoughts on you getting your facts right?

Don't ever come on this board and try to demean another club, absolutely disgraceful. You will find that there were no breach of any guidance or restrictions where our club is concerned. 'Over Christmas' is incorrect. Please take this post down it's the lowest. Revised GAA guidelines came in 27th Dec. Previous ones were in place from 11th Dec.

On the County issue, why are so many so quick to get on a high horse. Are you really that offended by the actions? I find it hard to believe so
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 08, 2021, 11:37:46 PM
If over Christmas is incorrect what is actually factually correct. Clear up any confusion and nip the chat in the bud sure.

Whilst the faux outrage and pitch fork mob is a bit over the top it can't be denied that any breach of directive or public health guideline is just shitty form from those involved. We're a nation of bollixes that generally can't do what we're told and can't help ourselves when it comes to doing our own thing regardless of others.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 09, 2021, 12:03:54 AM
Quote from: supersub on January 08, 2021, 11:30:19 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 08, 2021, 07:45:27 PM
Thoughts on Rostrevor training in kilbroney over Christmas?

Thoughts on you getting your facts right?

Don't ever come on this board and try to demean another club, absolutely disgraceful. You will find that there were no breach of any guidance or restrictions where our club is concerned. 'Over Christmas' is incorrect. Please take this post down it's the lowest. Revised GAA guidelines came in 27th Dec. Previous ones were in place from 11th Dec.

On the County issue, why are so many so quick to get on a high horse. Are you really that offended by the actions? I find it hard to believe so

I am disgusted that county officers rang a number of clubs to request their grounds for a Down Senior session which was totally against the GAA rules yet when they were found out holding the training session in the Abbey they then tried to pass it off as something else. Yes, I am seriously offended by the reckless flaunting of a GAA directive. Most of us are trying to do the right thing to beat this shit but the Down County Board/Senior Team think they can do what they want, seriously? Catch yourselves on. Stop the lying Devaney.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 09, 2021, 12:19:15 AM
Lads it's not the end of the world but considering Newry and Mourne are in the top 10 of most effected places in the uk I think someone should have said let's cop ourselves on here for a few weeks. Let's the cases drop and give it a few weeks. That's on public health alone
Now the breaking of GAA rules was clear and they were broke end off story.
The men at the top shoukd have cancelled all training.
Lead from the top
Club teams are looking up to you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 09, 2021, 09:54:36 AM
 There appears to have been a certain attitude around the County Executive and various Managements over the past while that the Rules are for others.
  Think Shane Mulholland and the infamous drinking with the Minor Footballers to celebrate a defeat on the way back from Derry.
  Think wee James and the alleged floating of COVID rules for his Minors.
  Think Paddy Tally and his exploits this week.
Our top Table need to lead and be doing the right thing but if all is to be believed there has been lies told and maybe Dubh Driocht can put us correct by telling us the Facts as he defended our County Chairman in his last post and at the same time explain the term virtual signalling while he's at it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 09, 2021, 10:16:06 AM
Sam the SM one was hardly a massive story. Young 17/18 year olds having a few drinks after a match? Am I missing something? That's life it happens Jesus. That's the real world and if you say otherwise you are kidding yourself
The other 2 are pubic health matters

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 09, 2021, 12:39:35 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on January 08, 2021, 11:37:46 PM
If over Christmas is incorrect what is actually factually correct. Clear up any confusion and nip the chat in the bud sure.

Whilst the faux outrage and pitch fork mob is a bit over the top it can't be denied that any breach of directive or public health guideline is just shitty form from those involved. We're a nation of bollixes that generally can't do what we're told and can't help ourselves when it comes to doing our own thing regardless of others.

I think my comment and timeline is enough.

Agree it's bad form re County, but can't help thinking you could put any topic or subject in place of the Covid breach and the same people would still be outraged, that's all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on January 09, 2021, 12:53:27 PM
It's not bad from just the County but from any club. Your own included. All this bullshit with technicalities and not exactly breaking rules is a nonsense. People should stop looking for ways around things and just do as they're asked and indeed go above and beyond what they're asked. It's pretty straight forward.

As for a previous mentonied issue, if people can't see what's wrong with adult mentors and managers facilitating underage drinking of minors who they have a duty of care and responsibility to then theres definitely something amiss. It's indefensible and that's the bottom line. Beggars belief that it needs pointed out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on January 09, 2021, 02:45:04 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on January 09, 2021, 12:53:27 PM
It's not bad from just the County but from any club. Your own included. All this bullshit with technicalities and not exactly breaking rules is a nonsense. People should stop looking for ways around things and just do as they're asked and indeed go above and beyond what they're asked. It's pretty straight forward.

As for a previous mentonied issue, if people can't see what's wrong with adult mentors and managers facilitating underage drinking of minors who they have a duty of care and responsibility to then theres definitely something amiss. It's indefensible and that's the bottom line. Beggars belief that it needs pointed out.

Reminds me of these lads who use any loophole trying to get red cards recinded for semi-finals and finals etc.  Always looking for a technicality.

Should do like John Mullane years ago and just be decent and take the punishment for what he did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 09, 2021, 03:23:03 PM
Why are club teams training in December when the club season is months away ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on January 09, 2021, 05:44:44 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on January 08, 2021, 07:19:13 PM
Catch yourself on lotto- pathetic virtue signalling supplemented with personal abuse without knowing facts
Quote from: marty34 on January 09, 2021, 02:45:04 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on January 09, 2021, 12:53:27 PM
It's not bad from just the County but from any club. Your own included. All this bullshit with technicalities and not exactly breaking rules is a nonsense. People should stop looking for ways around things and just do as they're asked and indeed go above and beyond what they're asked. It's pretty straight forward.

As for a previous mentonied issue, if people can't see what's wrong with adult mentors and managers facilitating underage drinking of minors who they have a duty of care and responsibility to then theres definitely something amiss. It's indefensible and that's the bottom line. Beggars belief that it needs pointed out.

Reminds me of these lads who use any loophole trying to get red cards recinded for semi-finals and finals etc.  Always looking for a technicality.

Should do like John Mullane years ago and just be decent and take the punishment for what he did.

Quote from: SamFever on January 09, 2021, 02:29:58 PM
  There appears to be an arrogance with all these University educated Administrators/Managers and various posters on the Board here defending them.Old Boys Club.
Quote from: Lotto on January 09, 2021, 12:03:54 AM
Quote from: supersub on January 08, 2021, 11:30:19 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on January 08, 2021, 07:45:27 PM
Thoughts on Rostrevor training in kilbroney over Christmas?

Thoughts on you getting your facts right?

Don't ever come on this board and try to demean another club, absolutely disgraceful. You will find that there were no breach of any guidance or restrictions where our club is concerned. 'Over Christmas' is incorrect. Please take this post down it's the lowest. Revised GAA guidelines came in 27th Dec. Previous ones were in place from 11th Dec.

On the County issue, why are so many so quick to get on a high horse. Are you really that offended by the actions? I find it hard to believe so

I am disgusted that county officers rang a number of clubs to request their grounds for a Down Senior session which was totally against the GAA rules yet when they were found out holding the training session in the Abbey they then tried to pass it off as something else. Yes, I am seriously offended by the reckless flaunting of a GAA directive. Most of us are trying to do the right thing to beat this shit but the Down County Board/Senior Team think they can do what they want, seriously? Catch yourselves on. Stop the lying Devaney.

After months of hardship and personal loss this continues. My partner's aunt lost her life to this deadly virus .We couldn't go to the service and cremation. I had thought the minor mentors and subsequent sacking might have been a deterrent to others but obviously not. This behaviour seems to be facilitated further up the chain of command within our County. If the Abbey facilities had been arranged for this by anyone in a position of authority within the county board then their positions are untenable and can not be brushed under the carpet on the basis of 'nothing to see move on' type attitude .
People on here trying to brush this under the carpet are either part of their old boys club University network or the actual culprits themselves.
In our area we have a very high incidence of cases and for this to happen it is not enough to brush it under the carpet. If anyone on here has children at The Abbey and missing out on education etc I would like to think they will raise this issue further with the Schools Senior Management. No one is above the law and can not try to escape an inquiry into this and also Kilbroneygate.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on January 09, 2021, 05:54:37 PM
I think  Down should accept they were in the wrong and take the punishment given out by croke pk. They broke the rules. Any word of who is in for the minor job?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 09, 2021, 06:51:19 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on January 09, 2021, 12:53:27 PM
It's not bad from just the County but from any club. Your own included. All this bullshit with technicalities and not exactly breaking rules is a nonsense. People should stop looking for ways around things and just do as they're asked and indeed go above and beyond what they're asked. It's pretty straight forward.

As for a previous mentonied issue, if people can't see what's wrong with adult mentors and managers facilitating underage drinking of minors who they have a duty of care and responsibility to then theres definitely something amiss. It's indefensible and that's the bottom line. Beggars belief that it needs pointed out.

You are out of order. There's no bullshit or technicalities where our club is concerned. Guidance followed like it was the whole way through 2020. Read the below which came out on 8th December, there was no need to try and 'get round' anything. It was short lived but so be it. You are now commenting on something when there is a firm stay at home message in place in society which was not in place during the time concerned.

I am pleased to confirm that from Friday 11th December relaxations have been announced which allow GAA Clubs to re-commence some of our activities, including:

- Outdoor training (exercise) in groups of up to a maximum of 15;

- Re-opening of GAA Club gyms for individual training

Now that is pretty straightforward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on January 09, 2021, 08:27:37 PM
Should make the County Board on Thursday week fun
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 09, 2021, 08:31:08 PM
Delegates will say nothing and it'll be the usual brush & carpet trick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on January 09, 2021, 09:17:16 PM
Quote from: sdg on January 09, 2021, 05:54:37 PM
I think  Down should accept they were in the wrong and take the punishment given out by croke pk. They broke the rules. Any word of who is in for the minor job?

Who stepped down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 10, 2021, 09:20:43 AM
Minor management stepped down
As of last night nominations ended last night and it's pretty much like we were applying for 20s
Paul Cunningham burren
John Fegan Downpatrick
Paddy Hardy Mickey McVeigh Castlewellan
Mickey Walsh/Linden mayobridge
Ross Carr Clonduff
DJ Morgan Carryduff
Eamon Blaney ??????
Mark Copeland clonduff
Joe Tunney Carryduff????
Conor Daly - Paul Shields Clonduff rostrevor



A big selection again
All worthy of getting the job
Good luck to all candidates
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on January 10, 2021, 10:11:05 PM
It's not that often that I agree with Yewtree but he or she is right, if Jack Delaney has lied about his involvement in organising this training session he has to do the honourable thing - resign. Our county is having enough bad publicity recently and this shit storm we can do without.Rules are rules;are we as a county  above abiding by them? Moreover it doesn't matter if other counties have been training, we as a county which used to be respected have to show the wider sporting community we will abide by the rules and take appropriate steps to clean this mess up.
Like Yewtree and I'm sure many others who post and follow this forum, I lost two close friends to co vid, couldn't go to wake, chapel and stood at a distance in the grave yard so I would appeal to everyone to adhere to the restrictions, vaccines will be rolled out and hopefully we can get back to participating in the sport we all love be it as a player, coach, administrator or spectator.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on January 10, 2021, 11:17:36 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on January 10, 2021, 10:11:05 PM
It's not that often that I agree with Yewtree but he or she is right, if Jack Delaney has lied about his involvement in organising this training session he has to do the honourable thing - resign. Our county is having enough bad publicity recently and this shit storm we can do without.Rules are rules;are we as a county  above abiding by them? Moreover it doesn't matter if other counties have been training, we as a county which used to be respected have to show the wider sporting community we will abide by the rules and take appropriate steps to clean this mess up.
Like Yewtree and I'm sure many others who post and follow this forum, I lost two close friends to co vid, couldn't go to wake, chapel and stood at a distance in the grave yard so I would appeal to everyone to adhere to the restrictions, vaccines will be rolled out and hopefully we can get back to participating in the sport we all love be it as a player, coach, administrator or spectator.

Well if the Minor Management can be sacked by Co Board - can the whole County Board not convene and get to the bottom of this also ? Whoever had direct involvement in the booking of Abbey Facilities must be identified ,if any Co Board officials liaised with Senior Management they need to be identified, The Board of Governors and Senior Management of Abbey CBS need to be held to account also. This is not a hard task to do , time for GAA to lead from the front. Resignations are needed here and the truth obtained. It may not be Co Chairman at fault here but he must initiate the inquiry to find out exactly what went on? Who made the calls ? Who was the conduit here ? There needs to be accountability ? Kilbroneygate occurred and now this.
If some of the clubs did the same the same people at top would be rushing to punish -well time to show leadership and integrity now. In an era now where players are university educated and some in responsible professions and players are so quick to be heard why did they attend ? Seems that the players too are irresponsible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 10, 2021, 11:29:53 PM
f**k me folks. I'm sure you're all familiar with the various episodes of the Simpsons where a braying mob gathers with pitchforks. The mob doesn't really know what they're braying about, they just want some justice to be administered. That's what this has descended into.

Why wouldn't the Abbey rent a pitch to a recurring customer, when it was legally permitted?

Who's going to replace all these county board officers you want to throw on the sword?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 10, 2021, 11:56:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 10, 2021, 11:29:53 PM
f**k me folks. I'm sure you're all familiar with the various episodes of the Simpsons where a braying mob gathers with pitchforks. The mob doesn't really know what they're braying about, they just want some justice to be administered. That's what this has descended into.

Why wouldn't the Abbey rent a pitch to a recurring customer, when it was legally permitted?

Who's going to replace all these county board officers you want to throw on the sword?
And in comes the "yes Sir three bags full sir" wobbler
If you're daft enough to watch the Simpsons for more than one episode you should seek help.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 11, 2021, 12:07:16 AM
Your posts are getting stranger. The university alumni one had me scratching my head. Now attacking the Simpsons.

You could though just reply to me. Why wouldn't the Abbey accept a legal pitch booking? Who is it we should expect to take over the county board?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on January 11, 2021, 12:08:01 AM
Would agree that until such times as the vaccine effect kicks in , we should all try to abide by the restrictions, Frustrating as they may be. I feel that aggressive curtain twitching is likely to be counterproductive however, leading to unhealthy finger pointing and subsequent secrecy. Hopefully the vaccine will help get us back to normality .
I find this thread very disappointing but don't take it seriously  , as we are mostly anonymous posters merely giving opinions or in the  case of some regular posters, clearly winding up. It's telling however that it only heats up when getting the boot into managers , coaches, county board officials etc, usually on the basis of ill informed , inaccurate gossip, or half-truths.  This can be toxic at times, and I note Davy Fitz's comments re this culture , on The Late Late Show . There's very rarely positive comments or realistic suggestions for improvement based on evidence.
Any positive news stories , constructive suggestions for improvement in the County, or examples of best practice out there which we can learn from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on January 11, 2021, 12:16:57 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 10, 2021, 11:29:53 PM
f**k me folks. I'm sure you're all familiar with the various episodes of the Simpsons where a braying mob gathers with pitchforks. The mob doesn't really know what they're braying about, they just want some justice to be administered. That's what this has descended into.

Why wouldn't the Abbey rent a pitch to a recurring customer, when it was legally permitted?

Who's going to replace all these county board officers you want to throw on the sword?

Wobbler1 if that is best way to address you- so basically you're saying everything is ok as ' Who's going to replace all these county board officers you want to throw on the sword?' I don't like or respect that type of attitude .What has happened this past while during this Pandemic has scared the life out of society. My partner is afraid to go to the shops , her aunt passed away due to Covid .And you belittle that all, have you any principles ?
We are in an organisation that is linked to the grassroots, the people I am a recent convert to it as my youth was spent playing football but through neighbours and others I got involved. I'm as keen as anyone. My partners family were very much involved in the Bosco. But we can't condone the actions of our flagship team and there really does need to be action and resignations. I have looked back at your posts and you seem a genuine guy and a guy not in with the dinosaurs of the GAA but please start to think more of wider society and the implications of role models doing the wrong thing.
The GAA of 2021 is new and not the old one of the backward terrorist supporter anymore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 11, 2021, 12:26:48 AM
Again yewtree, I'm not defending the county board / county senior team here.

I'm one of those people who finds the modern coach/player obsession with the "extra 2%" absolutely bewildering (especially so when it replaces an emphasis on the 98% that really matters).

There's no need for group training in a pandemic. None at all.

But my basic point is that a group of healthy (elite) adults training in an outdoor environment really isn't worth getting emotionally charged about. There was a full round of Irish League fixtures the week before. There's groups of bikers, cyclists, runners, walkers all over our roads, hills and mountains every weekend. If these people are travelling alone, maintaining social distance wherever possible and not meeting indoors, I just can't  get upset by any of this. These are not the reasons why COVID is spreading.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on January 11, 2021, 12:46:18 AM
Wobbler absolutely very fair points and well put .In ways you temper my anger but in another way using my own moral compass I feel if you are in a position of leadership you should always do what your organisation professes.
I feel when I look as a newbie to Down GAA I see it as a kinda who you know, what money you bring to the party etc and if you were part of a successful team in the past or your dad was a player kinda of organisation. Even what school you went to Abbey or College gives you an advantage. Knowing and perceiving that I feel Down GAA never stick to principles and this is in my book an example. When you look over recent years the behaviour of some of the clubs and what they get away with it is unreal , sadly mostly from East Down.
The despicable behaviours of teams from Kilcoo area and Downpatrick area beggars belief.
In that context I want Down GAA to turn a new leaf and lead with integrity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 11, 2021, 09:09:29 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 10, 2021, 11:29:53 PM
f**k me folks. I'm sure you're all familiar with the various episodes of the Simpsons where a braying mob gathers with pitchforks. The mob doesn't really know what they're braying about, they just want some justice to be administered. That's what this has descended into.

Why wouldn't the Abbey rent a pitch to a recurring customer, when it was legally permitted?

Who's going to replace all these county board officers you want to throw on the sword?
I never mentioned the Abbey taking the Booking
  I was following up on some other poster making reference to Universities.
  I never asked for the County Board to be replaced.
  Although I do think an apology from the Officers would help.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 11, 2021, 11:58:37 AM
Word on the street is that the coach of all coaches Poacher has joined Roscommon??? Any truth??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on January 11, 2021, 12:22:30 PM
What in the name of good god have Roscommon done to deserve that. Serial loser at every club he's been at, failure in Carlow except in stoking up resentment, abject disaster with this years Down Minors. If he goes a bit further West he could join up with that other ego maniac in USA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 11, 2021, 03:04:58 PM
Quote from: Godsown on January 11, 2021, 12:22:30 PM
What in the name of good god have Roscommon done to deserve that. Serial loser at every club he's been at, failure in Carlow except in stoking up resentment, abject disaster with this years Down Minors. If he goes a bit further West he could join up with that other ego maniac in USA
SP is reportedly a good Coach.Full Stop.Not a Manager or someone who should be along the sideline in any match situation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on January 11, 2021, 03:22:25 PM
Has he ever had success apart from his golden generation high school team???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 11, 2021, 05:08:30 PM
Wobbler absolutely very fair points and well put .In ways you temper my anger but in another way using my own moral compass I feel if you are in a position of leadership you should always do what your organisation professes.
I feel when I look as a newbie to Down GAA I see it as a kinda who you know, what money you bring to the party etc and if you were part of a successful team in the past or your dad was a player kinda of organisation. Even what school you went to Abbey or College gives you an advantage. Knowing and perceiving that I feel Down GAA never stick to principles and this is in my book an example. When you look over recent years the behaviour of some of the clubs and what they get away with it is unreal , sadly mostly from East Down.
The despicable behaviours of teams from Kilcoo area and Downpatrick area beggars belief.
In that context I want Down GAA to turn a new leaf and lead with integrity.

Care to elaborate on these insinuations? When you say "Kilcoo area and Downpatrick area" are you exclusively talking about Kilcoo GAC and RGU? Or do you mean Clonduff, Drumgath, Castlewellan, Liatroim, Ardglass, Bright, Teconnaught, Kilclief also? Are the south Down clubs all angels then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 11, 2021, 06:15:26 PM
Anyone hear that the Johnston brothers have left the Down squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 11, 2021, 08:31:34 PM
Quote from: Targetman on January 11, 2021, 06:15:26 PM
Anyone hear that the Johnston brothers have left the Down squad?
Were they not present at Abbeygate or have they been dropped for being man enough not to be attending an illicit GAA gathering? ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 12, 2021, 10:04:41 AM

SP is reportedly a good Coach.Full Stop.Not a Manager or someone who should be along the sideline in any match situation.
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Define "good coach"?? Turn up on time, be organised, have a plan for next opposition, treat players and others on management team with respect..... surely everyone who coaches does the above.. but these self obsessed, all about me bullsh***ers who talk the talk but when it comes to it their teams are no different or a pattern of play isn't obvious are plentiful in GAA circles at present..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on January 12, 2021, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: Targetman on January 11, 2021, 06:15:26 PM
Anyone hear that the Johnston brothers have left the Down squad?

Heard they were dropped by Yewtree for being from Kilcoo. Some other boys apparently for the chop due to who they play for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 13, 2021, 05:32:41 PM
I'm amazed to see that not only do we have the best coach in Ireland as one of our own in Down, we now have the greatest chef in Ireland as well. How seriously does this individual crave attention that he first of all puts this madness together and secondly makes the stupid thing public?  As they say, the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on January 13, 2021, 05:59:53 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 13, 2021, 05:32:41 PM
I'm amazed to see that not only do we have the best coach in Ireland as one of our own in Down, we now have the greatest chef in Ireland as well. How seriously does this individual crave attention that he first of all puts this madness together and secondly makes the stupid thing public?  As they say, the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.

What?

Just tell us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 13, 2021, 06:12:10 PM
There is a video doing the rounds of him in his pyjamas showing people how to cook a pizza, by the looks of it he has being taking his advice too literally.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 13, 2021, 06:29:25 PM
Lotto have a wee read through your post history when you get a chance.

To put it politely, you don't have anything positive to say about anyone or anything. Just angry at everyone all the time.

Get some more sleep fella.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 13, 2021, 06:35:26 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 13, 2021, 06:29:25 PM
Lotto have a wee read through your post history when you get a chance.

To put it politely, you sing have anything positive to say about anyone or anything. Just angry at everyone all the time.

Get some more sleep fella.

You have too much time on your hands wobbler. Sticking up for your drinking buddy again.

BTW, I can't sing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 13, 2021, 08:33:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 13, 2021, 06:29:25 PM
Lotto have a wee read through your post history when you get a chance.

To put it politely, you don't have anything positive to say about anyone or anything. Just angry at everyone all the time.

Get some more sleep fella.
Wobbler,would you not agree Poacher is a silly cnut?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 13, 2021, 08:46:50 PM
He's a genuinely great lad. I'd have a lot of time for him.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on January 13, 2021, 10:37:08 PM
This is typical of some of the posters here - stuck in the past.
We have a forward minded coach who comes not from GAA background and all the idiots try to belittle him.
Every player ne has coached under him adore him, in fact he is probably our biggest GAA personality about now (not trophy laden yet).
I am told in his younger years he was ever present at Damolly games and his background is there so for the 'stuck in the past ' crew he is an easy target.
Time to ease off and if he had wanted Down minor it was his ,he decided to move on and he wasn't sacked like the others but he is apparently moving to a bigger challenge.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 14, 2021, 12:24:20 AM
Quote from: yewtree on January 13, 2021, 10:37:08 PM
This is typical of some of the posters here - stuck in the past.
We have a forward minded coach who comes not from GAA background and all the idiots try to belittle him.
Every player ne has coached under him adore him, in fact he is probably our biggest GAA personality about now (not trophy laden yet).
I am told in his younger years he was ever present at Damolly games and his background is there so for the 'stuck in the past ' crew he is an easy target.
Time to ease off and if he had wanted Down minor it was his ,he decided to move on and he wasn't sacked like the others but he is apparently moving to a bigger challenge.
How SP was even allowed to be involved with the Minors in 2020 is mind boggling enough without
suggesting the position was his for the taking in 2021.
   Spewree ,SP is a GAA man( a not very wise one ) but don't try to put him in your category of new type Gael who belittles the battle that was hard fought for our identity as GAA people over the years.
  By all means,be involved in your new Sport GAA with Bosco but tone it down with this rhetoric of a new type of GAA that you frequently mention.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on January 14, 2021, 12:36:11 AM
Now that you're back with us Yewtree are you going to enlighten us as to how the good people of the great clubs of Kilcoo, Liatroim, Castlewellan Downpatrick, Loughinisland  , Saul Ballykinler etc have upset you so much. So much history there for a newbie to Down GAA to understand
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 15, 2021, 08:24:55 AM
Start of the National Leagues probably going to be delayed.Later start for Club Football is likely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redhandefender on January 15, 2021, 02:56:46 PM
Hard fought and Down don't belong in the same sentence. Arrogance about yous is unreal, SP being treated the same as McCorry by the looks of it. Got ahead in the football when the other 5 counties were cementing a real ulster identity!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on January 15, 2021, 03:14:13 PM
Difference in McCorry & Poacher the prat is, McCorry has senior medals in his back pocket... Poacher has a D levels schools title, and that was 14/15 years ago!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on January 15, 2021, 07:02:04 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on January 15, 2021, 03:14:13 PM
Difference in McCorry & Poacher the prat is, McCorry has senior medals in his back pocket... Poacher has a D levels schools title, and that was 14/15 years ago!!!!
McCorry was and is highly respected by clubs in Down but was shafted by officialdom and his exit was a stain on the county. No one would compare the two
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 15, 2021, 07:09:11 PM
Speaking of stains Godsown, how anyone could compare Poacher and his glorious career failures but massive self professing online presence with the respectful and successful Jim Mc Corry. Beats me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 15, 2021, 09:37:23 PM
 Can we move on and forget about Stevie?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 15, 2021, 09:58:01 PM
Probably not buddy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on January 16, 2021, 01:18:39 AM
Somebody else's problem now. Good luck to them. I mean good luck to Sligo Leitrim , Galway and Mayo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: naka on January 16, 2021, 07:35:59 PM
know both guys, jim was a real gaa man totally committed to doing his best for whichever team he worked for .
steven gets a lot of bad press here but genuinely he is a down man through and through and whilst his online persona mightnt suit a lot , he  will put down football before anything else.
mightnt suit teh agenda here but it is what it is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on January 18, 2021, 04:03:11 PM
Wouldn't have much time for SP but that post was way OTT. No place on here for that shite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 18, 2021, 11:24:12 PM
Agreed. Lotto may be a great contributor to this board but that is simply out of order.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 19, 2021, 08:55:00 PM
Took it down, wobbller do the same then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 21, 2021, 01:16:42 PM
The club proposals for 2021 don't allow for the 2020 league being completed which is strange.. most other counties are completing their 2020 programmes before starting 2021.. but I suppose if they inscribed covid as the winner of division 1 in 2020 - everyone would agree!!
Another tight schedule ahead but the division 1/2 mix should be good and will show teams how far away they are from the top table..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on January 21, 2021, 02:11:13 PM
Just can wait for football hurling and camogie to start back for all, adults and juveniles but in as safe and fear free environment as possible. Should be a really exciting summer for everyone involved with Gaelic games. Let's hope the dark days are behind us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 21, 2021, 02:33:53 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 21, 2021, 01:16:42 PM
The club proposals for 2021 don't allow for the 2020 league being completed which is strange.. most other counties are completing their 2020 programmes before starting 2021.. but I suppose if they inscribed covid as the winner of division 1 in 2020 - everyone would agree!!
Another tight schedule ahead but the division 1/2 mix should be good and will show teams how far away they are from the top table..

What were the proposals put forward Johnny? When do they have a date for league to start?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 21, 2021, 05:45:02 PM

What were the proposals put forward Johnny? When do they have a date for league to start?
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April 9th will be the division 1/2 and 3/4 competitions with 4 games guaranteed for each team and no county players allowed

May 28th for divisional leagues to commence and one round only. Top team wins league, bottom team relegated and team 8&9 play off to join them in relegation - def do not agree with this..

championship begins on weekend of Thursday 19th august.. play week on week up to QF then have week break between games up to and including final. 

Not a bad set up.. but with lockdown pushed back til March now - god knows when we will see activity on the pitches in terms of training and matches...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on January 23, 2021, 06:44:44 PM
Mayobridge must be hot favourites to knock Kilcoo off their perch.
In the Irish Life 'Every Step Counts' Walking Challenge their top three performers have done over 1200km between them in 10 days- that's a marathon a day- yet they're not even first team players.
The club has clocked up nearly 20.000 km,, more than twice the team in second place. Some going
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 23, 2021, 07:31:07 PM
Yep, definitely championship winning form that!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 23, 2021, 09:12:58 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 21, 2021, 01:16:42 PM
The club proposals for 2021 don't allow for the 2020 league being completed which is strange.. most other counties are completing their 2020 programmes before starting 2021.. but I suppose if they inscribed covid as the winner of division 1 in 2020 - everyone would agree!!
Another tight schedule ahead but the division 1/2 mix should be good and will show teams how far away they are from the top table..

Most other counties proposing to finish 2020 had a competitive league with relegation and promotion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on January 23, 2021, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: Caitlin on January 23, 2021, 06:44:44 PM
Mayobridge must be hot favourites to knock Kilcoo off their perch.
In the Irish Life 'Every Step Counts' Walking Challenge their top three performers have done over 1200km between them in 10 days- that's a marathon a day- yet they're not even first team players.
The club has clocked up nearly 20.000 km,, more than twice the team in second place. Some going

Some going my a**e. You don't even need to walk or run, you can enter the distance "walked" manually. Say no more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on January 23, 2021, 09:54:44 PM
It was in the rules and regulations at start of 2020 league that there was no promotion or relegation so that was understood by all but there is likely to be both this time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 24, 2021, 10:34:16 PM
My point was, it is not really 'imperative' the 2020 Down league is finished like other counties. As really it doesn't mean anything.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 25, 2021, 11:07:38 AM
Quote from: supersub on January 24, 2021, 10:34:16 PM
My point was, it is not really 'imperative' the 2020 Down league is finished like other counties. As really it doesn't mean anything.

There was to be a winner in division 1... that's important... but with covid - nothing is really important except staying safe..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 25, 2021, 11:50:35 AM
I don't think anyway really cares about winning a league title that nobody cared about if you know what I mean.  Most of the games were glorified challenge matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on January 25, 2021, 12:50:41 PM
Wasn't there precedent set before with league final delayed into the following year, kilcoo Castlewellan a couple of years ago?
A league title is always prestigious and if public health advice allows this could go ahead when football allowed back, I would imagine
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 25, 2021, 12:53:50 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on January 25, 2021, 12:50:41 PM
Wasn't there precedent set before with league final delayed into the following year, kilcoo Castlewellan a couple of years ago?
A league title is always prestigious and if public health advice allows this could go ahead when football allowed back, I would imagine

The difference being that the previous league title was competitive tournament. 2020's was not.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 25, 2021, 02:15:05 PM
I don't know how people keep sayin last year we're glorified challenge matches. I was at quite a few games that had the cut and thrust of every other season. Every team was at the same level in terms of fitness etc and the pace of the games got better as they developed. Clonduff were already guaranteed a place in the final but I think the other section had a few permutations so it could be awkward to finish because of that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on January 25, 2021, 04:04:01 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 25, 2021, 02:15:05 PM
I don't know how people keep sayin last year we're glorified challenge matches. I was at quite a few games that had the cut and thrust of every other season. Every team was at the same level in terms of fitness etc and the pace of the games got better as they developed. Clonduff were already guaranteed a place in the final but I think the other section had a few permutations so it could be awkward to finish because of that.

Would agree re everybody being at same level , and as we had been starved of sport , it was great to be back at it. Fair play to Down GAA for getting so much of the season completed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 25, 2021, 04:10:41 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 25, 2021, 02:15:05 PM
I don't know how people keep sayin last year we're glorified challenge matches. I was at quite a few games that had the cut and thrust of every other season. Every team was at the same level in terms of fitness etc and the pace of the games got better as they developed. Clonduff were already guaranteed a place in the final but I think the other section had a few permutations so it could be awkward to finish because of that.

They might have been hard hitting. But without relegation to worry about, it's not league football. The format was designed specifically to give club footballers the best chance possible of having a fair and meaningful championship competition, and not to crown some club as winners of a league nobody gives a damn about.

Anyone who really wants to finish out such a competition, especially when we are pretty likely to have the same again this summer, should have a word with themselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 25, 2021, 04:20:19 PM
Would have to agree with this.  Plus a few of the matches I seen teams weren't even close to full strength.

I would be surprised if Clonduff or Kilcoo or Burren or whoever from the other section are too bothered about getting it played.

Now if CPN were in the final Smurfy would be demanding it were played  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 25, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
Whitegoodman we would take a league title now
We haven't the titles that other clubs have
On the argument
I don't see why the 2020 league needs to be played
Put all into 2021
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 25, 2021, 07:24:48 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 25, 2021, 04:20:19 PM
Would have to agree with this.  Plus a few of the matches I seen teams weren't even close to full strength.

I would be surprised if Clonduff or Kilcoo or Burren or whoever from the other section are too bothered about getting it played.

Now if CPN were in the final Smurfy would be demanding it were played  ;)

As it stood Clonduff were in the final and Burren v Bridge was in other section. If Burren won they were into final. If Bridge won it forced a three way playoff for final.. I'm sure Clonduff would love a league title for likes of Darren OHagan etc who have won nothing at club level.. After 2 disappointing championships I'm sure Burren would have loved a title too.. CPN would take your hand off for a title. There are only 2 titles handed out each year for senior clubs..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 25, 2021, 11:24:59 PM
 The tightening of restrictions in the Free State is going to have implications
for the restart of any GAA activity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 26, 2021, 08:44:25 PM
Allianz Leagues set to be delayed until end of March
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 27, 2021, 07:23:49 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 25, 2021, 11:07:38 AM
Quote from: supersub on January 24, 2021, 10:34:16 PM
My point was, it is not really 'imperative' the 2020 Down league is finished like other counties. As really it doesn't mean anything.

There was to be a winner in division 1... that's important... but with covid - nothing is really important except staying safe..

Important yes, imperative no.

The fact Kilcoo were happy to void the game v Rostrevor at the end of the season when they technically had a chance of getting to the final/winning says it all. The leagues were glorified challenge matches, don't let anyone think anything else. A winner would be for league sponsor reasons more so than for any other reason. It really isn't important at this stage. It would have been if teams' league status depended on the outcome. However it doesn't.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 28, 2021, 02:02:14 PM


Important yes, imperative no.

The fact Kilcoo were happy to void the game v Rostrevor at the end of the season when they technically had a chance of getting to the final/winning says it all. The leagues were glorified challenge matches, don't let anyone think anything else. A winner would be for league sponsor reasons more so than for any other reason. It really isn't important at this stage. It would have been if teams' league status depended on the outcome. However it doesn't.
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Kilcoo couldn't get to the final - Clonduff were unbeaten in their section including their game v Kilcoo. So they were automatically there..

Big decisions tonight for the county board to elect new minor management. A lot of strong candidates included and some strong tickets.  Interview process is difficult at the minute but everyone gets the same process I suppose..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on January 29, 2021, 08:32:57 AM
Things mightily quiet on minor appointment. No news I presume
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 29, 2021, 06:30:52 PM
Even the McKenna Cup would stir me this year.Soccer,Rugby and re-runs just don't do it for me.And two or three months away for me to get jabbed.Will there even be Club football at all?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownbutnotOut on January 29, 2021, 09:39:52 PM
Cork and Down's senior footballers are to receive notice of proposed sanctions for alleged training breaches in the coming days.

Investigations into claims they breached the collective training ban earlier this month have now concluded and it is expected they will soon receive notice of the sub-committee's recommendations.

The Irish Examiner has learned Kildare were the third county asked about their activities but as there was no evidence of them contravening the training moratorium they will not be punished. Collective training was due to resume on January 15 before being extended indefinitely.

Suspensions have been mooted, which could also apply to the chairman of each county as well as the teams. Last summer, GAA president John Horan warned individual responsibility for breaches would rest with county chairs.

Such breaches are being considered under Rule 7.2 (e) of the GAA's Official Guide, "misconduct considered to have discredited the Association". A member found to have done so will receive a minimum of an eight-week suspension with possible debarment and expulsion from the GAA. For a team or unit, potential disqualification is also a possible penalty.

In the context of this month's incredibly high Covid case numbers and deaths, the actions of the counties have infuriated Croke Park and they have considered looking at handing down penalties outside of the rule.

"That question has been asked, whether they are restricted to imposing the penalties contained in that rule or not," said GAA director of communications Alan Milton earlier this month. "There is plenty in it to be applied, as required, but this wasn't just a GAA issue, this was also societal. There was an open letter sent out last week out by the DG (director general Tom Ryan) which clearly underlined the seriousness of it." At the very least, fines are expected to be recommended but the punishments could yet include teams being stripped of home advantage in the Allianz Leagues. Cork are in Division 2 South with Clare, Laois and Kildare while Down are in the division's North group along with Mayo, Meath and Westmeath.

Cork manager Ronan McCarthy confirmed to the Irish Examiner that the panel did convene on Youghal beach on the first weekend of this month but insisted they were compliant "at all times" with public health and Association guidelines. He said of the team building exercise: "We are hugely conscious of our responsibilities to our players, backroom team and the wider public and are fully committed – as we have always been – to following Covid protocols, in particular during this difficult period of escalating numbers nationally." 

Down chairman Jack Devaney insisted no training took place in Abbey CBS on January 5 when the PSNI were called but were satisfied that as an elite sports group they could come together. "A number of the panel, including potential new players, were brought together last night and the management went through their individual programme plans and what they expect of them for the coming weeks, because they won't be back together for a while," said Devaney. "Someone obviously called the police in, but they were satisfied that there was no issue."

Part of the counties' mitigation is believed to centre around these gatherings taking place on non-GAA property. However, in his letter Ryan stressed "outdoor gatherings on GAA property are not permitted". The GAA's rulebook defines collective training as "where one or more player(s) is/are required to be at a specific place at a specific time on a specific date".

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on January 29, 2021, 09:51:44 PM
Still recovering from too much refreshments with my LFC supporters bubble the other night. Wow what a game just there on BBC2 feel Glentoran gained a point and Larne lost 2.Though big Jeff Hughes was immense and McDaid should have got penalty at the end but Larne under Tiarnan Lynch are doing great.
Just shows the quality of the local football game ,I really enjoyed that game. But still miss being there at The Showgrounds live to see our guys.
This brings me to the point quite possibly the dinosaurs will be up in arms , what about getting Darren Mullen involved in the county underage structures.?? He works with Everton too.
Too fixated with tradition , time moves on Down GAA should too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on January 29, 2021, 10:18:23 PM
Sorry there , too much football wrong board but anyways I just feel Down needs to start tapping more into the greater Newry Sports community.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 10:35:15 AM
John Devaney still trying to justify the debacle in the Abbey by lying through his teeth. Everybody knows it was a full training session with between 35 - 40 players present along with all the management and backroom people so maybe close to 50 there. Hold your hands and say they were wrong but don't try to lie your way out of it. There would have been more thought of you by doing the right thing but I sincerely hope Croke Park wipe the floor with Devaney and the whole bunch. It was wrong on so many levels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 01:01:20 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 10:35:15 AM
John Devaney still trying to justify the debacle in the Abbey by lying through his teeth. Everybody knows it was a full training session with between 35 - 40 players present along with all the management and backroom people so maybe close to 50 there. Hold your hands and say they were wrong but don't try to lie your way out of it. There would have been more thought of you by doing the right thing but I sincerely hope Croke Park wipe the floor with Devaney and the whole bunch. It was wrong on so many levels.
Lotto,there was a full apology at the County Board meeting the other night and you should let it go.Spewtree can you wise up with the soccer and other sports tripe.We can't get playing our own games never mind facilating other sports during these difficult times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 03:46:22 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 01:01:20 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 10:35:15 AM
John Devaney still trying to justify the debacle in the Abbey by lying through his teeth. Everybody knows it was a full training session with between 35 - 40 players present along with all the management and backroom people so maybe close to 50 there. Hold your hands and say they were wrong but don't try to lie your way out of it. There would have been more thought of you by doing the right thing but I sincerely hope Croke Park wipe the floor with Devaney and the whole bunch. It was wrong on so many levels.
Lotto,there was a full apology at the County Board meeting the other night and you should let it go.Spewtree can you wise up with the soccer and other sports tripe.We can't get playing our own games never mind facilating other sports during these difficult times.

Wobbller, who apologised and what did they apologise for? I would like to think the chairman was big enough to apologise for his lying.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 04:41:21 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 03:46:22 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 01:01:20 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 10:35:15 AM
John Devaney still trying to justify the debacle in the Abbey by lying through his teeth. Everybody knows it was a full training session with between 35 - 40 players present along with all the management and backroom people so maybe close to 50 there. Hold your hands and say they were wrong but don't try to lie your way out of it. There would have been more thought of you by doing the right thing but I sincerely hope Croke Park wipe the floor with Devaney and the whole bunch. It was wrong on so many levels.
Lotto,there was a full apology at the County Board meeting the other night and you should let it go.Spewtree can you wise up with the soccer and other sports tripe.We can't get playing our own games never mind facilating other sports during these difficult times.

Wobbller, who apologised and what did they apologise for? I would like to think the chairman was big enough to apologise for his lying.
Ask your Club's County Board Rep(if you are even a Club member)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 04:41:21 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 03:46:22 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 01:01:20 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 10:35:15 AM
John Devaney still trying to justify the debacle in the Abbey by lying through his teeth. Everybody knows it was a full training session with between 35 - 40 players present along with all the management and backroom people so maybe close to 50 there. Hold your hands and say they were wrong but don't try to lie your way out of it. There would have been more thought of you by doing the right thing but I sincerely hope Croke Park wipe the floor with Devaney and the whole bunch. It was wrong on so many levels.
Lotto,there was a full apology at the County Board meeting the other night and you should let it go.Spewtree can you wise up with the soccer and other sports tripe.We can't get playing our own games never mind facilating other sports during these difficult times.

Wobbller, who apologised and what did they apologise for? I would like to think the chairman was big enough to apologise for his lying.
Ask your Club's County Board Rep(if you are even a Club member)

I'm asking you, you seem to know all that is going on in the county board so just tell us. Maybe you are just talking your usual dung. I take it that the Down chairman didn't apologise for lying to everyone about what went on in the Abbey then? Very proud club member btw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 06:36:42 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 04:41:21 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 03:46:22 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 01:01:20 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 10:35:15 AM
John Devaney still trying to justify the debacle in the Abbey by lying through his teeth. Everybody knows it was a full training session with between 35 - 40 players present along with all the management and backroom people so maybe close to 50 there. Hold your hands and say they were wrong but don't try to lie your way out of it. There would have been more thought of you by doing the right thing but I sincerely hope Croke Park wipe the floor with Devaney and the whole bunch. It was wrong on so many levels.
Lotto,there was a full apology at the County Board meeting the other night and you should let it go.Spewtree can you wise up with the soccer and other sports tripe.We can't get playing our own games never mind facilating other sports during these difficult times.

Wobbller, who apologised and what did they apologise for? I would like to think the chairman was big enough to apologise for his lying.
Ask your Club's County Board Rep(if you are even a Club member)

I'm asking you, you seem to know all that is going on in the county board so just tell us. Maybe you are just talking your usual dung. I take it that the Down chairman didn't apologise for lying to everyone about what went on in the Abbey then? Very proud club member btw.
Ask your Club Rep.In my Club the Club Rep. puts out the bullet points to those that are interested after each County Board meeting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 06:49:18 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 06:36:42 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 04:41:21 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 03:46:22 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 01:01:20 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 10:35:15 AM
John Devaney still trying to justify the debacle in the Abbey by lying through his teeth. Everybody knows it was a full training session with between 35 - 40 players present along with all the management and backroom people so maybe close to 50 there. Hold your hands and say they were wrong but don't try to lie your way out of it. There would have been more thought of you by doing the right thing but I sincerely hope Croke Park wipe the floor with Devaney and the whole bunch. It was wrong on so many levels.
Lotto,there was a full apology at the County Board meeting the other night and you should let it go.Spewtree can you wise up with the soccer and other sports tripe.We can't get playing our own games never mind facilating other sports during these difficult times.

Wobbller, who apologised and what did they apologise for? I would like to think the chairman was big enough to apologise for his lying.
Ask your Club's County Board Rep(if you are even a Club member)

I'm asking you, you seem to know all that is going on in the county board so just tell us. Maybe you are just talking your usual dung. I take it that the Down chairman didn't apologise for lying to everyone about what went on in the Abbey then? Very proud club member btw.
Ask your Club Rep.In my Club the Club Rep. puts out the bullet points to those that are interested after each County Board meeting.
That must be some club you have. You're the boyo that brought up the apology but now you won't say who said it and what they apologised for. Laughable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 07:41:36 PM
Give us all a shout when you are less inebriated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 07:55:15 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 07:41:36 PM
Give us all a shout when you are less inebriated.

Don't judge people by your own standards. You still haven't answered the question either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 31, 2021, 09:29:31 AM
Lotto what wobbler is saying is that a full apology was made during the week at the county board meeting
You need to talk to your club rep for the details
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 31, 2021, 11:00:09 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 31, 2021, 09:29:31 AM
Lotto what wobbler is saying is that a full apology was made during the week at the county board meeting
You need to talk to your club rep for the details

Thanks for clarifying that smurfy, I wasn't sure what wobbller meant when he told me to ask my Club's County Board Rep about what what went on at the last meeting! Neither of you pair can say what the apology was for so I take it more lies were told.

I also hear the county board are trying to put together the minor management from several of the applicant teams, hard to see how that would work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 31, 2021, 05:17:28 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 31, 2021, 11:00:09 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 31, 2021, 09:29:31 AM
Lotto what wobbler is saying is that a full apology was made during the week at the county board meeting
You need to talk to your club rep for the details

Thanks for clarifying that smurfy, I wasn't sure what wobbller meant when he told me to ask my Club's County Board Rep about what what went on at the last meeting! Neither of you pair can say what the apology was for so I take it more lies were told.

I also hear the county board are trying to put together the minor management from several of the applicant teams, hard to see how that would work.

Did your CB Rep tell you that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 01, 2021, 08:20:46 AM
Quote from: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 07:55:15 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 07:41:36 PM
Give us all a shout when you are less inebriated.

Don't judge people by your own standards. You still haven't answered the question either.

"Confidentiality is extremely important and committee business should not be discussed outside of the meeting"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 01, 2021, 11:24:57 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 01, 2021, 08:20:46 AM
Quote from: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 07:55:15 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 07:41:36 PM
Give us all a shout when you are less inebriated.

Don't judge people by your own standards. You still haven't answered the question either.

"Confidentiality is extremely important and committee business should not be discussed outside of the meeting"
Is the County Board meetings really a Committee? Is our Rep breaking the rules then by sharing all
that goes on with us the next day by e-mail?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 02, 2021, 08:22:21 AM
Quote from: wobbller on February 01, 2021, 11:24:57 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 01, 2021, 08:20:46 AM
Quote from: Lotto on January 30, 2021, 07:55:15 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 30, 2021, 07:41:36 PM
Give us all a shout when you are less inebriated.

Don't judge people by your own standards. You still haven't answered the question either.

"Confidentiality is extremely important and committee business should not be discussed outside of the meeting"
Is the County Board meetings really a Committee? Is our Rep breaking the rules then by sharing all
that goes on with us the next day by e-mail?

IMO no, they have every right to share the outcomes of the meetings but not necessarily the who said what.
The CB share the meeting minutes with the clubs anyway as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2021, 11:20:16 AM
I see Tally has been hit with a 12 week ban for the collective training. Chance of losing home venue for a national league game too. Nightmare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on February 02, 2021, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2021, 11:20:16 AM
I see Tally has been hit with a 12 week ban for the collective training. Chance of losing home venue for a national league game too. Nightmare.

Is that just him or the team?

Does Tally have to sit in stand?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 02, 2021, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2021, 11:20:16 AM
I see Tally has been hit with a 12 week ban for the collective training. Chance of losing home venue for a national league game too. Nightmare.

Is that just him or the team?

Does Tally have to sit in stand?

Surely Devaney's position is untenable and he must step down after his statement at the County Board meeting last week. Any grounds for appeal will also be shot when Croke Park hear what he said.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 07:25:22 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 02, 2021, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2021, 11:20:16 AM
I see Tally has been hit with a 12 week ban for the collective training. Chance of losing home venue for a national league game too. Nightmare.

Is that just him or the team?

Does Tally have to sit in stand?

Surely Devaney's position is untenable and he must step down after his statement at the County Board meeting last week. Any grounds for appeal will also be shot when Croke Park hear what he said.
Did your Club Rep tell you that eventually?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on February 02, 2021, 07:32:58 PM
If Tally is out for 12 weeks surely we need a new manager,  he can't attend training and it only starts when we go back.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 07:54:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 07:25:22 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 02, 2021, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2021, 11:20:16 AM
I see Tally has been hit with a 12 week ban for the collective training. Chance of losing home venue for a national league game too. Nightmare.

Is that just him or the team?

Does Tally have to sit in stand?

Surely Devaney's position is untenable and he must step down after his statement at the County Board meeting last week. Any grounds for appeal will also be shot when Croke Park hear what he said.
Did your Club Rep tell you that eventually?

In a word, No. The truth always comes out. Do you think that your precious reps are the only ones who hear what goes on at those meetings? I can't believe so many gutless Club Reps like your buddy, Wobbller, didn't tell John Devaney to have the balls to step aside the other night. He has really brought Down GAA into disrepute and needs to make it right by standing down. I said right from the start that of all this there is nothing more I hate in life than liars, Devaney is just that but Tally takes the fall. Tally probably asked for the session and should have been told no. They have only themselves to blame.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 08:39:02 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 07:54:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 07:25:22 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 02, 2021, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2021, 11:20:16 AM
I see Tally has been hit with a 12 week ban for the collective training. Chance of losing home venue for a national league game too. Nightmare.

Is that just him or the team?

Does Tally have to sit in stand?

Surely Devaney's position is untenable and he must step down after his statement at the County Board meeting last week. Any grounds for appeal will also be shot when Croke Park hear what he said.
Did your Club Rep tell you that eventually?

In a word, No. The truth always comes out. Do you think that your precious reps are the only ones who hear what goes on at those meetings? I can't believe so many gutless Club Reps like your buddy, Wobbller, didn't tell John Devaney to have the balls to step aside the other night. He has really brought Down GAA into disrepute and needs to make it right by standing down. I said right from the start that of all this there is nothing more I hate in life than liars, Devaney is just that but Tally takes the fall. Tally probably asked for the session and should have been told no. They have only themselves to blame.
I can ask my Rep buddy for Jack's number if you want or you can ask your own Rep.Sorry,I forgot,you don't have a Club therefore you don't know a Club Rep. :D :D Jack's number is 07- -....... Clown.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 08:42:49 PM
 Continued... You despise SPoacher and now it's Club Reps plus Jack Devaney.Who is next on your hate list?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 08:39:02 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 07:54:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 07:25:22 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 02, 2021, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2021, 11:20:16 AM
I see Tally has been hit with a 12 week ban for the collective training. Chance of losing home venue for a national league game too. Nightmare.

Is that just him or the team?

Does Tally have to sit in stand?

Surely Devaney's position is untenable and he must step down after his statement at the County Board meeting last week. Any grounds for appeal will also be shot when Croke Park hear what he said.
Did your Club Rep tell you that eventually?

In a word, No. The truth always comes out. Do you think that your precious reps are the only ones who hear what goes on at those meetings? I can't believe so many gutless Club Reps like your buddy, Wobbller, didn't tell John Devaney to have the balls to step aside the other night. He has really brought Down GAA into disrepute and needs to make it right by standing down. I said right from the start that of all this there is nothing more I hate in life than liars, Devaney is just that but Tally takes the fall. Tally probably asked for the session and should have been told no. They have only themselves to blame.
I can ask my Rep buddy for Jack's number if you want or you can ask your own Rep.Sorry,I forgot,you don't have a Club therefore you don't know a Club Rep. :D :D Jack's number is 07- -....... Clown.

Seriously, lay off the Babycham young man. I told you I was a very proud club member but didn't get my info from them. It's not that hard to decipher is it?

You have normally plenty to say so should John Devaney step down for the lies he has admitted to have told to both Croke Park and the press in recent weeks over Abbeygate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 08:39:02 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 07:54:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 07:25:22 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 02, 2021, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2021, 11:20:16 AM
I see Tally has been hit with a 12 week ban for the collective training. Chance of losing home venue for a national league game too. Nightmare.

Is that just him or the team?

Does Tally have to sit in stand?

Surely Devaney's position is untenable and he must step down after his statement at the County Board meeting last week. Any grounds for appeal will also be shot when Croke Park hear what he said.
Did your Club Rep tell you that eventually?

In a word, No. The truth always comes out. Do you think that your precious reps are the only ones who hear what goes on at those meetings? I can't believe so many gutless Club Reps like your buddy, Wobbller, didn't tell John Devaney to have the balls to step aside the other night. He has really brought Down GAA into disrepute and needs to make it right by standing down. I said right from the start that of all this there is nothing more I hate in life than liars, Devaney is just that but Tally takes the fall. Tally probably asked for the session and should have been told no. They have only themselves to blame.
I can ask my Rep buddy for Jack's number if you want or you can ask your own Rep.Sorry,I forgot,you don't have a Club therefore you don't know a Club Rep. :D :D Jack's number is 07- -....... Clown.

Seriously, lay off the Babycham young man. I told you I was a very proud club member but didn't get my info from them. It's not that hard to decipher is it?

You have normally plenty to say so should John Devaney step down for the lies he has admitted to have told to both Croke Park and the press in recent weeks over Abbeygate?
As my Club Rep represents my Club at the County Board and the floor accepted the apology that is good enough for me. As for laying off Babycham,you've lost me there. As for deciphering whatever,you've lost me again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 09:46:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 08:39:02 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 07:54:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 07:25:22 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 02, 2021, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2021, 11:20:16 AM
I see Tally has been hit with a 12 week ban for the collective training. Chance of losing home venue for a national league game too. Nightmare.

Is that just him or the team?

Does Tally have to sit in stand?

Surely Devaney's position is untenable and he must step down after his statement at the County Board meeting last week. Any grounds for appeal will also be shot when Croke Park hear what he said.
Did your Club Rep tell you that eventually?

In a word, No. The truth always comes out. Do you think that your precious reps are the only ones who hear what goes on at those meetings? I can't believe so many gutless Club Reps like your buddy, Wobbller, didn't tell John Devaney to have the balls to step aside the other night. He has really brought Down GAA into disrepute and needs to make it right by standing down. I said right from the start that of all this there is nothing more I hate in life than liars, Devaney is just that but Tally takes the fall. Tally probably asked for the session and should have been told no. They have only themselves to blame.
I can ask my Rep buddy for Jack's number if you want or you can ask your own Rep.Sorry,I forgot,you don't have a Club therefore you don't know a Club Rep. :D :D Jack's number is 07- -....... Clown.

Seriously, lay off the Babycham young man. I told you I was a very proud club member but didn't get my info from them. It's not that hard to decipher is it?

You have normally plenty to say so should John Devaney step down for the lies he has admitted to have told to both Croke Park and the press in recent weeks over Abbeygate?
As my Club Rep represents my Club at the County Board and the floor accepted the apology that is good enough for me. As for laying off Babycham,you've lost me there. As for deciphering whatever,you've lost me again.

I asked you the question not your club rep? I will ask it again-should John Devaney step down for the lies he has admitted to have told to both Croke Park and the press in recent weeks over Albbeygate?

I apologise if English isn't your first language if I lost you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 02, 2021, 09:59:21 PM
There is an irony that burns brightly, when someone who demands truth, honour, and integrity, does so behind the cloak of an identity so carefully concealed he won't reveal a modicum of detail about himself.

I can only imagine you're not so forthright with your opinions in the real world.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 10:00:37 PM
Sweet Jesus!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 09:46:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 08:39:02 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 07:54:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 07:25:22 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 02, 2021, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2021, 11:20:16 AM
I see Tally has been hit with a 12 week ban for the collective training. Chance of losing home venue for a national league game too. Nightmare.

Is that just him or the team?

Does Tally have to sit in stand?

Surely Devaney's position is untenable and he must step down after his statement at the County Board meeting last week. Any grounds for appeal will also be shot when Croke Park hear what he said.
Did your Club Rep tell you that eventually?

In a word, No. The truth always comes out. Do you think that your precious reps are the only ones who hear what goes on at those meetings? I can't believe so many gutless Club Reps like your buddy, Wobbller, didn't tell John Devaney to have the balls to step aside the other night. He has really brought Down GAA into disrepute and needs to make it right by standing down. I said right from the start that of all this there is nothing more I hate in life than liars, Devaney is just that but Tally takes the fall. Tally probably asked for the session and should have been told no. They have only themselves to blame.
I can ask my Rep buddy for Jack's number if you want or you can ask your own Rep.Sorry,I forgot,you don't have a Club therefore you don't know a Club Rep. :D :D Jack's number is 07- -....... Clown.

Seriously, lay off the Babycham young man. I told you I was a very proud club member but didn't get my info from them. It's not that hard to decipher is it?

You have normally plenty to say so should John Devaney step down for the lies he has admitted to have told to both Croke Park and the press in recent weeks over Abbeygate?
As my Club Rep represents my Club at the County Board and the floor accepted the apology that is good enough for me. As for laying off Babycham,you've lost me there. As for deciphering whatever,you've lost me again.

I asked you the question not your club rep? I will ask it again-should John Devaney step down for the lies he has admitted to have told to both Croke Park and the press in recent weeks over Albbeygate?

I apologise if English isn't your first language if I lost you.
You sound like a man that has a massive chip on his shoulder or has been wronged by Jack Devaney and others over the years.
   Your point of being a proud Club member amuses me.Would your Club be proud of you with all this spouting about our County Chairman?I would think not.Bye!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 02, 2021, 10:04:30 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 10:00:37 PM
Sweet Jesus!

A one in a million post from you where you don't make a personal attack on someone, from behind your cloak. It should be framed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 10:08:47 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 10:01:02 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 09:46:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 08:39:02 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 07:54:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 02, 2021, 07:25:22 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 02, 2021, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: marty34 on February 02, 2021, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2021, 11:20:16 AM
I see Tally has been hit with a 12 week ban for the collective training. Chance of losing home venue for a national league game too. Nightmare.

Is that just him or the team?

Does Tally have to sit in stand?

Surely Devaney's position is untenable and he must step down after his statement at the County Board meeting last week. Any grounds for appeal will also be shot when Croke Park hear what he said.
Did your Club Rep tell you that eventually?

In a word, No. The truth always comes out. Do you think that your precious reps are the only ones who hear what goes on at those meetings? I can't believe so many gutless Club Reps like your buddy, Wobbller, didn't tell John Devaney to have the balls to step aside the other night. He has really brought Down GAA into disrepute and needs to make it right by standing down. I said right from the start that of all this there is nothing more I hate in life than liars, Devaney is just that but Tally takes the fall. Tally probably asked for the session and should have been told no. They have only themselves to blame.
I can ask my Rep buddy for Jack's number if you want or you can ask your own Rep.Sorry,I forgot,you don't have a Club therefore you don't know a Club Rep. :D :D Jack's number is 07- -....... Clown.

Seriously, lay off the Babycham young man. I told you I was a very proud club member but didn't get my info from them. It's not that hard to decipher is it?

You have normally plenty to say so should John Devaney step down for the lies he has admitted to have told to both Croke Park and the press in recent weeks over Abbeygate?
As my Club Rep represents my Club at the County Board and the floor accepted the apology that is good enough for me. As for laying off Babycham,you've lost me there. As for deciphering whatever,you've lost me again.

I asked you the question not your club rep? I will ask it again-should John Devaney step down for the lies he has admitted to have told to both Croke Park and the press in recent weeks over Albbeygate?

I apologise if English isn't your first language if I lost you.
You sound like a man that has a massive chip on his shoulder or has been wronged by Jack Devaney and others over the years.
   Your point of being a proud Club member amuses me.Would your Club be proud of you with all this spouting about our County Chairman?I would think not.Bye!

Just looking for honesty and truth which I believe I have found. I have no axe to grind. I despise liars and our chairman has admitted he lied so he should do the right thing and resign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the goal was on on February 03, 2021, 04:11:43 PM
Paddy tally deliberately targeted!!! Give us a break! As the manager he was the one who decided to arrange everything to get the players together . Despite last april pushing a 'we have to do everything the government and gaa message on TV. He's an educated enough man to know if they got caught their would be repercussions .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 03, 2021, 04:55:41 PM
Firstly let me say I have the upmost respect for Darren O Hagan
He is a proper player and gets on with it but he has got this one badly wrong
Whoever pencilled his tweet together and told him to put it out is wrong
Down trained and broke the rules and got caught take the punishment
A 12 week suspension for PT is hardly that big
The manager calls the session so the buck stops with him
I really do not know what had to be gained from it only bringing more attention to it
I would like to know the real Wobblers take on this one
Normally he is on the money with it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 03, 2021, 09:03:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 03, 2021, 04:55:41 PM
Firstly let me say I have the upmost respect for Darren O Hagan
He is a proper player and gets on with it but he has got this one badly wrong
Whoever pencilled his tweet together and told him to put it out is wrong
Down trained and broke the rules and got caught take the punishment
A 12 week suspension for PT is hardly that big
The manager calls the session so the buck stops with him
I really do not know what had to be gained from it only bringing more attention to it
I would like to know the real Wobblers take on this one
Normally he is on the money with it
Hi,this is the unreal one here.I see Darren has wisely removed his Tweet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on February 03, 2021, 09:30:44 PM
These last few posts are silly. First the Smurf is wondering what wobbler thinks, don't be such a nerd .
We are in the midst of a life and death issue and a few close to me and the partner have lost against Covid. Down GAA were wrong and Tally carries the can.
John Devanney has been exonerated when he first spoke to the media he was relying on information supplied to him ,John is a respectable man and Croke Park exonerated him.
Darren O'Hagan has just made a fool of himself ,seems out in Hilltown some of these people just adore social media and think that their words or tweets are like 'press releases' from Stormont Government. Darren you play football like a man don't be getting on like a woman there as there are too many women around GAA getting on like men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 03, 2021, 09:42:04 PM
Oh Holy f**k.
Shit just got real
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 03, 2021, 09:56:53 PM
Jesus yew tree calm down I was only saying
Darren will realise he got this one wrong( tweet gone so he will already know)
Advised by a backroom member of the management team to tweet it apparently
All I'm saying is it was someone's fault and a 12 weeks suspension for the manager seem about right
Don't know what the kick up is about
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 03, 2021, 11:58:08 PM
 A comedy show tonight by spewtree.Bring back lotto.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 04, 2021, 09:22:42 AM
"Still recovering from too much refreshments with my LFC supporters bubble the other night."

Didn't care too much about COVID restirctions there Spewtree? No bubbles allowed in this lockdown..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 04, 2021, 03:03:54 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 04, 2021, 09:22:42 AM
"Still recovering from too much refreshments with my LFC supporters bubble the other night."

Didn't care too much about COVID restirctions there Spewtree? No bubbles allowed in this lockdown..
Hopefully he will Brighton up a bit.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 04, 2021, 03:55:16 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 04, 2021, 03:03:54 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 04, 2021, 09:22:42 AM
"Still recovering from too much refreshments with my LFC supporters bubble the other night."

Didn't care too much about COVID restirctions there Spewtree? No bubbles allowed in this lockdown..
Hopefully he will Brighton up a bit.  ;D
Ah,a bit of Free State wit ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 06, 2021, 12:31:44 PM
Lotto, Lotto, wherefore art thou Lotto?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 06, 2021, 08:09:27 PM
https://twitter.com/andun1010/status/1358140085317861376?s=21
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on February 06, 2021, 11:13:06 PM
Any news on minor management , rumour has it's another appointment from the 91/94 squad, who has had previous inter county management experience.
On the Tally front, is it fair he gets 12 week ban ?
I hope that during the appeals process our chairman stands up and tells the truth , will be a refreshing change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 07, 2021, 09:04:12 AM
Well who else do you think should get the ban?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 07, 2021, 12:56:04 PM
Ok so who was it? Who was out training this morning? Seen on twitter but they didn't name the club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 07, 2021, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 07, 2021, 12:56:04 PM
Ok so who was it? Who was out training this morning? Seen on twitter but they didn't name the club
Who posted it on Twitter?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 07, 2021, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 07, 2021, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 07, 2021, 12:56:04 PM
Ok so who was it? Who was out training this morning? Seen on twitter but they didn't name the club
Who posted it on Twitter?

Q https://twitter.com/w33fry/status/1358391938009939973?s=21
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 07, 2021, 02:47:31 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 07, 2021, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 07, 2021, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 07, 2021, 12:56:04 PM
Ok so who was it? Who was out training this morning? Seen on twitter but they didn't name the club
Who posted it on Twitter?

Q https://twitter.com/w33fry/status/1358391938009939973?s=21
P-ss take
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on February 07, 2021, 04:13:33 PM
Absolutely an attempt at wind up by" Who the fucks like me" brigade. One of the contributors complaining about possible Covid breach has been one of the main culprits over the past year. Just need to keep themselves talked about on social media. No doubt they'll be giving us commentary on the Rugby , Liverpool City and the Super Bowl
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 07, 2021, 04:17:08 PM
W33w@rt
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on February 07, 2021, 07:12:43 PM
Just about to buy club draw tickets £120 Co Board draw, has got me thinking about fundraising within the county.
Somebody mentioned Club Down also fund raises. Was looking into it ,what is it about ? I see a twitter account that is only tweeting about camogie mostly? Says on twitter it is a fundraising body for Official Down GAA but doesn't mention it is fundraising for Down Camogie Board or Ladies Board.
Any posters here give more info.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on February 07, 2021, 08:39:19 PM
Quote from: yewtree on February 07, 2021, 07:12:43 PM
Just about to buy club draw tickets £120 Co Board draw, has got me thinking about fundraising within the county.
Somebody mentioned Club Down also fund raises. Was looking into it ,what is it about ? I see a twitter account that is only tweeting about camogie mostly? Says on twitter it is a fundraising body for Official Down GAA but doesn't mention it is fundraising for Down Camogie Board or Ladies Board.
Any posters here give more info.

Buy a Clubs Draw Ticket. Club Down all but dead and gone. As certain '91 star was being paid £25k a year by Club Down to fund raise. Don't think he raised 25 quid!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on February 07, 2021, 11:59:12 PM
 The Down Discussion Board is currently just full of innuendo,insults and downright bad manners.It'd be better suspended until our National games get an Official restart date.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on February 10, 2021, 11:57:34 AM
Tally's ban reduced to 8 weeks after appeal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on February 10, 2021, 12:38:43 PM
Does the GAA have the most pathetic appeals/rules committee in all of sports? Has anyone ever not successfully appealed a ban?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 10, 2021, 12:52:32 PM
Quote from: Godsown on February 10, 2021, 11:57:34 AM
Tally's ban reduced to 8 weeks after appeal
m

Basically too when the inter county season will be starting then? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on February 10, 2021, 01:06:23 PM
That's about right but as stated above the appeals process in GAA is so convoluted and not fit for purpose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on February 10, 2021, 08:53:39 PM
Was looking through Daily Mirror sport and two big pieces of news in Paddy Tally is suspended for 8 weeks and no Gaelic until May now apparently including County.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 10, 2021, 09:49:56 PM
Looks like no collective training until after Easter which I agree with on the premise this gets rid of this feckin thing.. get as many vaccinated as possible so that it can't have the same lockdown impact again in the near future.. I would think it could be club before county again this year then but they could maybe pencil in provincial and all Ireland competitions at some stage.. I actually think I will be at the pitch every night when it does open up again - I am sick of these 4 walls..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 10, 2021, 10:07:07 PM
Not great news for anyone especially those Managers and Coaches on a £/per session Fee. 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on February 10, 2021, 10:39:24 PM
Yes ,I feel for those men who have bills to pay and all are victims of Covid.
From what I hear they are still getting money for organising training plans and doing zoom calls.
Let's hope our clubs don't forget these coaches as this extra income is vital, lost mileage and expenses is a serious issue here .Clubs at least should be providing these coaches with at least 60 /70 % of agreed income .There are lots of ways clubs can raise this by Lotto , Last Man Standing and the big County Draw tickets.
If they don't it will say a lot about GAA committees. It is a duty of care to these coaches with the professionalism they bring to lots of clubs and communities.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 11, 2021, 12:49:43 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 28, 2021, 02:02:14 PM


Important yes, imperative no.

The fact Kilcoo were happy to void the game v Rostrevor at the end of the season when they technically had a chance of getting to the final/winning says it all. The leagues were glorified challenge matches, don't let anyone think anything else. A winner would be for league sponsor reasons more so than for any other reason. It really isn't important at this stage. It would have been if teams' league status depended on the outcome. However it doesn't.

Kilcoo couldn't get to the final - Clonduff were unbeaten in their section including their game v Kilcoo. So they were automatically there..

Big decisions tonight for the county board to elect new minor management. A lot of strong candidates included and some strong tickets.  Interview process is difficult at the minute but everyone gets the same process I suppose..
[/quote]

Going back a few pages here haven't been on in a while.

On the date Rostrevor were to play Kilcoo at the start of October, Kilcoo could still have qualified for the league final as Clonduff hadn't played their game v Warrenpoint. It was to be on the same day. Despite this, Kilcoo were happy to forgo the game which was my original point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on February 11, 2021, 01:54:53 PM
Just on that note.. Has the new down minor management team been confirmed? Little or no talk of it since the interviews a few weeks back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 11, 2021, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on February 11, 2021, 01:54:53 PM
Just on that note.. Has the new down minor management team been confirmed? Little or no talk of it since the interviews a few weeks back.
Hearing that there may have been more interviews on Monday and Tuesday night which would be downright bad manners if these new candidates were
being interviewed after the process was started and nearly finished or as an earlier poster said they are trying to mix and match from the
original apllicants.Shabby work as usual from our County leaders along with everything else that has gone on this past while.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on February 11, 2021, 07:16:21 PM
Is there not a chance that your county leaders are trying to get together the best calibre team possible? If that means picking bits from different proposals is that such a crime, really? Especially if it's done in the genuine best interests of the county!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 11, 2021, 07:54:16 PM
Quote from: bannside on February 11, 2021, 07:16:21 PM
Is there not a chance that your county leaders are trying to get together the best calibre team possible? If that means picking bits from different proposals is that such a crime, really? Especially if it's done in the genuine best interests of the county!
If we could just discuss Down GAA business amongst Down Gaels it'd be great.
BS,you have a habit of coming on here when there is any kind of criticism of our University educated County leadership.Are some of them your fellow Graduates?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 11, 2021, 08:46:56 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 11, 2021, 07:54:16 PM
Quote from: bannside on February 11, 2021, 07:16:21 PM
Is there not a chance that your county leaders are trying to get together the best calibre team possible? If that means picking bits from different proposals is that such a crime, really? Especially if it's done in the genuine best interests of the county!
If we could just discuss Down GAA business amongst Down Gaels it'd be great.
BS,you have a habit of coming on here when there is any kind of criticism of our University educated County leadership.Are some of them your fellow Graduates?

The frustration among us Down Gaels about the management is more, theyve picked and chose aspects from the different proposals for the last 2 or 3 appointments and has got us nowhere. We had a magnificent Burren team who's players on our minor team got beat by Fermanagh.

Instead of picking and choosing give the job to who put forward the best proposal and let them get on with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on February 11, 2021, 09:06:55 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 11, 2021, 07:54:16 PM
Quote from: bannside on February 11, 2021, 07:16:21 PM
Is there not a chance that your county leaders are trying to get together the best calibre team possible? If that means picking bits from different proposals is that such a crime, really? Especially if it's done in the genuine best interests of the county!
If we could just discuss Down GAA business amongst Down Gaels it'd be great.
BS,you have a habit of coming on here when there is any kind of criticism of our University educated County leadership.Are some of them your fellow Graduates?

Jesus thats some pretty exclusionist bullshit right there 😂😂
Are non-Downers even allowed to read this? Sure let us know
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 11, 2021, 09:27:40 PM
We need a quarantine area for these foreigners arriving on here this evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on February 11, 2021, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: Downtothewire on February 07, 2021, 08:39:19 PM
Quote from: yewtree on February 07, 2021, 07:12:43 PM
Just about to buy club draw tickets £120 Co Board draw, has got me thinking about fundraising within the county.
Somebody mentioned Club Down also fund raises. Was looking into it ,what is it about ? I see a twitter account that is only tweeting about camogie mostly? Says on twitter it is a fundraising body for Official Down GAA but doesn't mention it is fundraising for Down Camogie Board or Ladies Board.
Any posters here give more info.

Buy a Clubs Draw Ticket. Club Down all but dead and gone. As certain '91 star was being paid £25k a year by Club Down to fund raise. Don't think he raised 25 quid!

So trying to get more information on options to donate to Down GAA , any posters out there confirm what is status of Club Down ? How do you donate ? Just want to give something, as long as it is not put into Ballykinler and goes to Gaelic Football.
Partner would rather me spending it on her lol but just a modest amount to give considering the Covid times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on February 11, 2021, 11:25:46 PM
Guarantee you if I was coming on to say I heard the county "board" were making hard work of finalising the minor appointment I would be welcomed with open arms!

Closing the door on my way out. Lol.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 11, 2021, 11:37:32 PM
Quote from: bannside on February 11, 2021, 11:25:46 PM
Guarantee you if I was coming on to say I heard the county "board" were making hard work of finalising the minor appointment I would be welcomed with open arms!

Closing the door on my way out. Lol.
Your departing post doesn't make sense.Welcomed where or by whom?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on February 12, 2021, 08:17:10 AM
You definitely have me snookered with that logic anyway, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 12, 2021, 05:22:59 PM
Has McKeever stepped down in the bridge??? Heard that circulating today..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on February 12, 2021, 06:30:53 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 12, 2021, 05:22:59 PM
Has McKeever stepped down in the bridge??? Heard that circulating today..

Is he with Armagh also?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on February 12, 2021, 06:33:04 PM
Talking to a gent today at petrol pump and he was saying that , looks like then Benny will be back at last to Bridge.
That is prime for Benny as he knows all the young uns coming through and in reality from what I'm told he wasn't that happy at Longstone Apparently too much interference from the old fella that is always about there.
Bridge need to get him back as Longstone is a club pretty much with their best days behind them ,Mark Poland stopped and pretty much nothing coming through. Prediction is within 4 years they'll be Division 3.
So looks like good news for The Bridge and a smart move for Benny.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 12, 2021, 10:55:55 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 11, 2021, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on February 11, 2021, 01:54:53 PM
Just on that note.. Has the new down minor management team been confirmed? Little or no talk of it since the interviews a few weeks back.
Hearing that there may have been more interviews on Monday and Tuesday night which would be downright bad manners if these new candidates were
being interviewed after the process was started and nearly finished or as an earlier poster said they are trying to mix and match from the
original apllicants.Shabby work as usual from our County leaders along with everything else that has gone on this past while.

You knew it was me but you couldn't bare to say it.

Just wondering will Tally's 4 weeks reduced suspension be passed on to Laverty who was training the Down U.20's in Tollymore last Sunday morning?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 12, 2021, 11:29:08 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 12, 2021, 10:55:55 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 11, 2021, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on February 11, 2021, 01:54:53 PM
Just on that note.. Has the new down minor management team been confirmed? Little or no talk of it since the interviews a few weeks back.
Hearing that there may have been more interviews on Monday and Tuesday night which would be downright bad manners if these new candidates were
being interviewed after the process was started and nearly finished or as an earlier poster said they are trying to mix and match from the
original apllicants.Shabby work as usual from our County leaders along with everything else that has gone on this past while.

You knew it was me but you couldn't bare to say it.

Just wondering will Tally's 4 weeks reduced suspension be passed on to Laverty who was training the Down U.20's in Tollymore last Sunday morning?
"Couldn't bare" to say it was you.Sweet God!
That's a serious accusation to be making about the U20's.Are the U20 Management now on your Hate list? You have a habit of weekend wine fuelled dribble.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 13, 2021, 01:11:44 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 12, 2021, 11:29:08 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 12, 2021, 10:55:55 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 11, 2021, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on February 11, 2021, 01:54:53 PM
Just on that note.. Has the new down minor management team been confirmed? Little or no talk of it since the interviews a few weeks back.
Hearing that there may have been more interviews on Monday and Tuesday night which would be downright bad manners if these new candidates were
being interviewed after the process was started and nearly finished or as an earlier poster said they are trying to mix and match from the
original apllicants.Shabby work as usual from our County leaders along with everything else that has gone on this past while.

You knew it was me but you couldn't bare to say it.

Just wondering will Tally's 4 weeks reduced suspension be passed on to Laverty who was training the Down U.20's in Tollymore last Sunday morning?
"Couldn't bare" to say it was you.Sweet God!
That's a serious accusation to be making about the U20's.Are the U20 Management now on your Hate list? You have a habit of weekend wine fuelled dribble.

You know f**k all about me and what I do, so knock yourself out with your accusations as much as you want. I have stated fact about Down U.20's, the same way I have stated many other facts. As for dribble, you are obviously spending too much time looking in the mirror.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 13, 2021, 01:16:33 PM
The level of personal attacks on coaches and officials, subtle
and not so subtle accusations of rule breaking, and snipes at other clubs on this message board is beyond embarrassing now. It would be great to share opinions and positive news about GAA but I suppose this whole pandemic has brought out the worst in people, especially on social media and online forums. Quit moaning about who was training and where, if anyone here can show that a group of young men out exercising directly contributed to losses of life then please share. If not, quiet down and let the young lads at it. They need it more than ever right now. In the coming years when participation levels hit rock bottom and mental health issues peak, feel free to stand by your snipey comments if you are comfortable with the current devastation of sport and mental health which has no strong evidential basis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 13, 2021, 03:56:58 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 13, 2021, 01:16:33 PM
The level of personal attacks on coaches and officials, subtle
and not so subtle accusations of rule breaking, and snipes at other clubs on this message board is beyond embarrassing now. It would be great to share opinions and positive news about GAA but I suppose this whole pandemic has brought out the worst in people, especially on social media and online forums. Quit moaning about who was training and where, if anyone here can show that a group of young men out exercising directly contributed to losses of life then please share. If not, quiet down and let the young lads at it. They need it more than ever right now. In the coming years when participation levels hit rock bottom and mental health issues peak, feel free to stand by your snipey comments if you are comfortable with the current devastation of sport and mental health which has no strong evidential basis.
So the Rules are not for the young lads?That phrase is indicative of why we are still in the middle of this pandemic.Shame on you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on February 13, 2021, 06:43:36 PM
Excellent post manwithnoplan, well said
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 13, 2021, 08:00:37 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on February 13, 2021, 06:43:36 PM
Excellent post manwithnoplan, well said
So Sandstorm and manwithnoplan are both daft.Are you any relation of lotto?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 13, 2021, 08:37:10 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 13, 2021, 01:16:33 PM
The level of personal attacks on coaches and officials, subtle
and not so subtle accusations of rule breaking, and snipes at other clubs on this message board is beyond embarrassing now. It would be great to share opinions and positive news about GAA but I suppose this whole pandemic has brought out the worst in people, especially on social media and online forums. Quit moaning about who was training and where, if anyone here can show that a group of young men out exercising directly contributed to losses of life then please share. If not, quiet down and let the young lads at it. They need it more than ever right now. In the coming years when participation levels hit rock bottom and mental health issues peak, feel free to stand by your snipey comments if you are comfortable with the current devastation of sport and mental health which has no strong evidential basis.

What a disgusting message. Lots of us abiding by the rules so we can get out of this pandemic as soon as possible for good this time. And you come put with a stupid comment like that. If the down u20 are training then shame on the county board for allowing it to happen at this time and shame on this much touted management for carrying it out..  I have no problem with lads getting programmes and carrying out such in a safe and responsible manner but collective training should not be happening in any capacity. Kilcoo lads posting on social media showing them training in 3/4's is another joke. All from different households and in contact training - they must be immune to this virus over there..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: shagger on February 13, 2021, 10:37:40 PM
Kilcoo players are "Elite athletes" so they are grand....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 13, 2021, 11:26:39 PM
Quote from: shagger on February 13, 2021, 10:37:40 PM
Kilcoo players are "Elite athletes" so they are grand....
What an insightful first post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 14, 2021, 11:16:43 AM
Quote from: shagger on February 13, 2021, 10:37:40 PM
Kilcoo players are "Elite athletes" so they are grand....

Corofin would beg to differ....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 14, 2021, 03:30:14 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 13, 2021, 08:37:10 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 13, 2021, 01:16:33 PM
The level of personal attacks on coaches and officials, subtle
and not so subtle accusations of rule breaking, and snipes at other clubs on this message board is beyond embarrassing now. It would be great to share opinions and positive news about GAA but I suppose this whole pandemic has brought out the worst in people, especially on social media and online forums. Quit moaning about who was training and where, if anyone here can show that a group of young men out exercising directly contributed to losses of life then please share. If not, quiet down and let the young lads at it. They need it more than ever right now. In the coming years when participation levels hit rock bottom and mental health issues peak, feel free to stand by your snipey comments if you are comfortable with the current devastation of sport and mental health which has no strong evidential basis.

What a disgusting message. Lots of us abiding by the rules so we can get out of this pandemic as soon as possible for good this time. And you come put with a stupid comment like that. If the down u20 are training then shame on the county board for allowing it to happen at this time and shame on this much touted management for carrying it out..  I have no problem with lads getting programmes and carrying out such in a safe and responsible manner but collective training should not be happening in any capacity. Kilcoo lads posting on social media showing them training in 3/4's is another joke. All from different households and in contact training - they must be immune to this virus over there..

"Stupid" indeed. Another personal attack. You crack on with how you want to live your life but feel free not to upset yourself with how others are living while they do you no harm at all. I stand by everything I said, I put huge value on the physical and mental wellbeing of people and especially young people. I truly hope the devastating effects of these lockdowns don't impact you and yours in the near future, as they have done to so many already.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 14, 2021, 03:35:29 PM
https://www.hoganstand.com/Down/Article/Index/315603

Interesting perspective from a man working as a doctor during the pandemic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 14, 2021, 04:10:35 PM
 A lot of support here for breaking GAA rules and respective Government's Laws.Very disturbing if it's true about our U20's and Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 14, 2021, 04:18:30 PM
There's not a lot of support for it.

A couple of people (including myself) don't overly consider adult men exercising outdoors in parks that are open to the public, to be worthy of anything beyond indifference. That is neither a "lot" or "support".

By the way did you see the photos from Stormont yesterday? Thousands of people from hundreds of households all in the one public space. I'd have no problem with this either. So long as they've a dollop of common sense, the only thing they'll catch is a few shivers.





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pbat on February 14, 2021, 04:19:06 PM
When the amount of rule breaking going on can you blame the government for removing elite sport off the GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 14, 2021, 08:58:04 PM
 Unbelievable the laissez-faire attitude to all of this,especially from posters who I would have expected more off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on February 15, 2021, 10:16:25 AM
With the vaccinations in the North massively outstripping the south we could well be allowed back long before them,  but would the GAA allow it or will they go with an all Ireland approach.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 15, 2021, 11:19:37 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on February 15, 2021, 10:16:25 AM
With the vaccinations in the North massively outstripping the south we could well be allowed back long before them,  but would the GAA allow it or will they go with an all Ireland approach.

No chance, they left north behind last year in some decision they'll open GAA up once the south are in a better situation. Whispers that it'll be May before club goes back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 16, 2021, 04:36:37 PM
White smoke at last from county board about minor management.. How will they fare??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 16, 2021, 06:18:48 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 16, 2021, 04:36:37 PM
White smoke at last from county board about minor management.. How will they fare??

Some range of men involved but little experience at this level. Good to see progression and reward for being involved with Development squads and less of the 91/94 brigade being handed the gig again. I hope they do well but hard to see much football at this level before they finish last year's competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on February 16, 2021, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 16, 2021, 04:36:37 PM
White smoke at last from county board about minor management.. How will they fare??

Who are they then? Where was this news announced?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 16, 2021, 09:08:13 PM
https://twitter.com/officialdowngaa/status/1361769876843560965?s=21
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 16, 2021, 10:57:55 PM


Quote from: thewobbler on February 14, 2021, 04:18:30 PM
There's not a lot of support for it.

A couple of people (including myself) don't overly consider adult men exercising outdoors in parks that are open to the public, to be worthy of anything beyond indifference. That is neither a "lot" or "support".

By the way did you see the photos from Stormont yesterday? Thousands of people from hundreds of households all in the one public space. I'd have no problem with this either. So long as they've a dollop of common sense, the only thing they'll catch is a few shivers.

Quote from: SamFever on February 14, 2021, 08:58:04 PM
Unbelievable the laissez-faire attitude to all of this,especially from posters who I would have expected more off.

I take it you are talking about the wonderful guru of Down football thewobbler. It is hardly surprising he hasn't changed his stance since his club Ballyholland were proven to be one of the worst rule breakers in lockdown 1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 16, 2021, 11:03:05 PM
Nobody in Down football has stepped out of line this week.

But Lotto is on the drink again, and someone must be called out for the sins.

Looks like it's my turn again.

Poor me.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 16, 2021, 11:09:28 PM
Truth hurts boyo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 16, 2021, 11:10:31 PM
So do hangovers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 16, 2021, 11:15:14 PM
Seriously, you are worse than your doppleganger!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 16, 2021, 11:17:42 PM
Well until you let us know a few details about yourself, I'm more than happy to join him in painting you as a bitter alcoholic.

All's fair in absolute anonymity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 16, 2021, 11:31:47 PM
What are you on about? Your opinion on allowing teams to train is obscene. How can seriously say it is ok to train, no matter what the numbers are? Your club totally ignored the rules in lockdown 1 and your community paid for it, I take it none of your family died because of it. Don't come on here and be the big I am, seriously catch yourself on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 16, 2021, 11:42:46 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 16, 2021, 11:31:47 PM
What are you on about? Your opinion on allowing teams to train is obscene. How can seriously say it is ok to train, no matter what the numbers are? Your club totally ignored the rules in lockdown 1 and your community paid for it, I take it none of your family died because of it. Don't come on here and be the big I am, seriously catch yourself on.

I'm quoting this one Lotto, for the reason that when you read this back to yourself when sober, you might regret it and try to delete.

It's probably best you you remain anonymous. There's a lot of people I know would take very serious umbrage with you for what you've just written. You've connected Ballyholland Harps GAC to deaths in the community.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 16, 2021, 11:59:37 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 16, 2021, 11:42:46 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 16, 2021, 11:31:47 PM
What are you on about? Your opinion on allowing teams to train is obscene. How can seriously say it is ok to train, no matter what the numbers are? Your club totally ignored the rules in lockdown 1 and your community paid for it, I take it none of your family died because of it. Don't come on here and be the big I am, seriously catch yourself on.

I'm quoting this one Lotto, for the reason that when you read this back to yourself when sober, you might regret it and try to delete.

It's probably best you you remain anonymous. There's a lot of people I know would take very serious umbrage with you for what you've just written. You've connected Ballyholland Harps GAC to deaths in the community.

Your attempts to demean me aren't working. I seriously hope that none of the deaths in your community came about by the transmission between your players that flagrantly disobeyed both GAA and NI Gov rules, I can't answer that. You and your Senior team know what you did so don't put it back on me for highlighting it here or last year either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 17, 2021, 12:23:06 AM
Quote from: Lotto on February 16, 2021, 11:59:37 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 16, 2021, 11:42:46 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 16, 2021, 11:31:47 PM
What are you on about? Your opinion on allowing teams to train is obscene. How can seriously say it is ok to train, no matter what the numbers are? Your club totally ignored the rules in lockdown 1 and your community paid for it, I take it none of your family died because of it. Don't come on here and be the big I am, seriously catch yourself on.

I'm quoting this one Lotto, for the reason that when you read this back to yourself when sober, you might regret it and try to delete.

It's probably best you you remain anonymous. There's a lot of people I know would take very serious umbrage with you for what you've just written. You've connected Ballyholland Harps GAC to deaths in the community.

Your attempts to demean me aren't working. I seriously hope that none of the deaths in your community came about by the transmission between your players that flagrantly disobeyed both GAA and NI Gov rules, I can't answer that. You and your Senior team know what you did so don't put it back on me for highlighting it here or last year either.
Have to defend my cousin here.
   Locco or lotto whatever suits your inebriation level-no one is demeaning you on this Board.You are demeaning yourself and all connected to you.
    The Minor Management is a strange one.It seems Ambrose has got himself appointed to this gig this past 6 or 7 years and is now joined by his Line Manager.Eyes in the camp for you know who methinks.Ps. I wish them well after the last eight wasted years or is that ten years if you include wee Pete?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 17, 2021, 12:43:41 AM
Quote from: wobbller on February 17, 2021, 12:23:06 AM
Quote from: Lotto on February 16, 2021, 11:59:37 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 16, 2021, 11:42:46 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 16, 2021, 11:31:47 PM
What are you on about? Your opinion on allowing teams to train is obscene. How can seriously say it is ok to train, no matter what the numbers are? Your club totally ignored the rules in lockdown 1 and your community paid for it, I take it none of your family died because of it. Don't come on here and be the big I am, seriously catch yourself on.

I'm quoting this one Lotto, for the reason that when you read this back to yourself when sober, you might regret it and try to delete.

It's probably best you you remain anonymous. There's a lot of people I know would take very serious umbrage with you for what you've just written. You've connected Ballyholland Harps GAC to deaths in the community.

Your attempts to demean me aren't working. I seriously hope that none of the deaths in your community came about by the transmission between your players that flagrantly disobeyed both GAA and NI Gov rules, I can't answer that. You and your Senior team know what you did so don't put it back on me for highlighting it here or last year either.
Have to defend my cousin here.
   Locco or lotto whatever suits your inebriation level-no one is demeaning you on this Board.You are demeaning yourself and all connected to you.
    The Minor Management is a strange one.It seems Ambrose has got himself appointed to this gig this past 6 or 7 years and is now joined by his Line Manager.Eyes in the camp for you know who methinks.Ps. I wish them well after the last eight wasted years or is that ten years if you include wee Pete?

Good man, take care.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 17, 2021, 12:45:48 AM
Quote from: Lotto on February 17, 2021, 12:43:41 AM
Quote from: wobbller on February 17, 2021, 12:23:06 AM
Quote from: Lotto on February 16, 2021, 11:59:37 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 16, 2021, 11:42:46 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 16, 2021, 11:31:47 PM
What are you on about? Your opinion on allowing teams to train is obscene. How can seriously say it is ok to train, no matter what the numbers are? Your club totally ignored the rules in lockdown 1 and your community paid for it, I take it none of your family died because of it. Don't come on here and be the big I am, seriously catch yourself on.

I'm quoting this one Lotto, for the reason that when you read this back to yourself when sober, you might regret it and try to delete.

It's probably best you you remain anonymous. There's a lot of people I know would take very serious umbrage with you for what you've just written. You've connected Ballyholland Harps GAC to deaths in the community.

Your attempts to demean me aren't working. I seriously hope that none of the deaths in your community came about by the transmission between your players that flagrantly disobeyed both GAA and NI Gov rules, I can't answer that. You and your Senior team know what you did so don't put it back on me for highlighting it here or last year either.
Have to defend my cousin here.
   Locco or lotto whatever suits your inebriation level-no one is demeaning you on this Board.You are demeaning yourself and all connected to you.
    The Minor Management is a strange one.It seems Ambrose has got himself appointed to this gig this past 6 or 7 years and is now joined by his Line Manager.Eyes in the camp for you know who methinks.Ps. I wish them well after the last eight wasted years or is that ten years if you include wee Pete?

Good man, take care.
Always!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 17, 2021, 06:59:11 AM
Lotto what are you talking about man?
You say none of these have any experience at this level
Cunningham Burren minors for years
Morgan successful Carryduff minor and 21
Dougherty successful Carryduff
Ambrose involved under James


Still I thought the board would have went for Mickey Walsh and Mickey linden or Ross Carr and Thornton

The above went for both the under 20 job and the minors so it's a big blow for both and can't see either being back managing again at this level for a while


I wish the new management team all the best

And lotto wise up with that ridiculous statement about Ballyholland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 17, 2021, 08:10:49 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 17, 2021, 06:59:11 AM
Lotto what are you talking about man?
You say none of these have any experience at this level
Cunningham Burren minors for years
Morgan successful Carryduff minor and 21
Dougherty successful Carryduff
Ambrose involved under James


Still I thought the board would have went for Mickey Walsh and Mickey linden or Ross Carr and Thornton

The above went for both the under 20 job and the minors so it’s a big blow for both and can’t see either being back managing again at this level for a while


I wish the new management team all the best

And lotto wise up with that ridiculous statement about Ballyholland


This is not correct.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 17, 2021, 10:59:59 AM
Quite a large minor management team, hopefully that brings plenty of ideas and knowledge of the available players to the table. However I'd hope it wouldn't mean a clash in terms of ideas/playing styles etc. Is there an indication on who would have the ultimate say on these things or who has the "lead role" as such? Hopefully see an upturn in fortunes and wish the management and team the best for whenever they can get back at it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 17, 2021, 07:44:58 PM
You would assume the lead role would be the Manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 17, 2021, 09:17:22 PM
Thanks for that mature and insightful reply. Apologies, I had only seen a list of names of the management team at that stage and not the article naming Cunningham the manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on February 18, 2021, 03:03:02 PM
I have seen a few similar comments about a large management team, is it really for an intercounty set up?
Manager
Selectors
Outfield Coaches
Goalkeeper Coach
S&C Coach

No bigger than a couple of Division one club set ups. There were a few good set ups in for this job, good to see that good people are interested in the minor job. Good luck to the men who got the post wish them every success
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 18, 2021, 03:20:51 PM
It's not an adult inter county set up.

It's an u17 squad. In a normal season, the gap between schools players being made fully available, and the Ulster Championship, is at best a couple of months, and is balanced a little against exam commitments.

The first month is spent whittling down a trial squad into a final squad, through in-house matches, friendly matches, and various tests for fitness etc. The second month is spent trying to mould a team into a structure, around those players available. But a lot of that is trialling how players react in positions.

What I'm getting at there is that the season could be over before any serious coaching is done. Or more pertinently, that there's not enough coaching commitments to overload a couple of men.

As mentioned when the u20 management was announced, why on earth any manager would want 7-10 voices during the trials and whittling down stage is beyond me. They must love meetings.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 18, 2021, 09:49:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 18, 2021, 03:20:51 PM
It's not an adult inter county set up.

It's an u17 squad. In a normal season, the gap between schools players being made fully available, and the Ulster Championship, is at best a couple of months, and is balanced a little against exam commitments.
The first month is spent whittling down a trial squad into a final squad, through in-house matches, friendly matches, and various tests for fitness etc. The second month is spent trying to mould a team into a structure, around those players available. But a lot of that is trialling how players react in positions.

What I'm getting at there is that the season could be over before any serious coaching is done. Or more pertinently, that there's not enough coaching commitments to overload a couple of men.

As mentioned when the u20 management was announced, why on earth any manager would want 7-10 voices during the trials and whittling down stage is beyond me. They must love meetings.

Too much emphasis placed on colleges level football. How can players make a county minor setup when they are getting slogged at schools level and then maybe number 27-35 on the panel but are not allowed to go to minor trials. Then when school football ends in jan (Abbey) or feb/match (College) the lads are fit but their game play is so poor they can't make the squad. There needs to be a better system put in place where the school teachers don't put pressure on lads not to trial for their county but they can't get on school team. Teachers don't own the players after all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on February 19, 2021, 10:30:05 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 18, 2021, 03:20:51 PM
It's not an adult inter county set up.

It's an u17 squad. In a normal season, the gap between schools players being made fully available, and the Ulster Championship, is at best a couple of months, and is balanced a little against exam commitments.

The first month is spent whittling down a trial squad into a final squad, through in-house matches, friendly matches, and various tests for fitness etc. The second month is spent trying to mould a team into a structure, around those players available. But a lot of that is trialling how players react in positions.

What I'm getting at there is that the season could be over before any serious coaching is done. Or more pertinently, that there's not enough coaching commitments to overload a couple of men.

As mentioned when the u20 management was announced, why on earth any manager would want 7-10 voices during the trials and whittling down stage is beyond me. They must love meetings.


Yes an u17 squad... wouldn't a club u17 squad have 4 in management team? considering child protection for a start its how many should be there for a panel of 30, then add the S&C coach, the Goalkeeper coach and one more on top of that its hardly huge. Managers don't have 7-10 voices, they have different roles for each persons speciality and take opinions.

This page could at times be called the Anti-Down GAA page.

Team does poorly..... Get the manager out.
Get two good management set ups in place - Those management teams are too big!

Soon the jerseys will be too Red and the grass at Pairc Esler too green.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on February 19, 2021, 02:48:13 PM
The old one-club days are gone. It's a fortunate young person who lives in the village they grew up in, especially during their twenties and early thirties when many, maybe even most, will have to travel to make their way in the world. If they can return to Ireland in their later years they are also the lucky ones.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 19, 2021, 04:01:17 PM
I think you're picking me up there wrong Gaelforce. What I wrote above is far from anti-Down, just an observation that the current trend of needing nearly a dozen  men to look after a team is on the other side of over the top.

S&C for example is pointless here. Players at that age will either be on a pre-existing S&C programme set by their school management, or a pre-existing S&C programme set by their club, or steadfastly refuse S&C, or have never done S&C. In any of these cases, the benefit an S&C coach can bring to a 17 year old in the 6-8 weeks between the panel being selected and the championship beginning is ninw or very close to none.

By the way, MacRory Cup teams seem to get by perfectly well with a management team of 3-4, for a season that lasts (for most schools) at least 4 months, and panels of well over 30.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on February 19, 2021, 07:35:59 PM
Not that I have picked you up wrong Wobbler, as my Anti-Down remark was based on the majority of posts across this whole thread in recent weeks and months not just your previous post, I wouldn't call it an Anti-Down post but certainly some points i'd disagree with you on it.....nothing wromg with people having different opinions mind you

For me i'd say your thoughts on it are a bit short sighted, as the S&C coach may not make a huge impact in the upcoming short season if he was new to the players, however this particular person has been working with these players through development squads for at least the past 3 years so I would imagine he is continuing his work in the development of these players and therefore will make a difference.

4 People at Macrory teams, probably correct, however I dont see many Goalkeeper specific coaches or S and C coaches with Macrory teams.....are you saying these specialised people are not needed at County Minor level? if so I would disagree, in fact I would say there needs to be more specialised coaches for our forgotten Goal Keepers at all levels.

Well done to the Down CB on putting a good team in place and covering all areas, wasn't an easy choice as some other strong candidates and we should wish them and the team the best of luck for this short year and the management team for future years to come
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 19, 2021, 09:26:47 PM
Believe me the Abbey have a management panel of 1 at Mac Rory level, it's Jody Gormley and that's it!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on February 19, 2021, 09:58:46 PM
Yeah but they're kinda shit year on year let's be honest
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on February 19, 2021, 10:50:15 PM
With the new age groups a lot of the minor team wont be playing McCrory.  Remember too most east down players go to schools that are not as football specific as those in Newry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 22, 2021, 07:34:00 PM
 Time goes slow!I'm zoomed out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 22, 2021, 08:41:58 PM
So... Just read through Boris's roadmap and 17th May allows 30 person limit outdoors.. So a possible date for resuming of training?? Individual run plans are sickening at this point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 22, 2021, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 22, 2021, 08:41:58 PM
So... Just read through Boris's roadmap and 17th May allows 30 person limit outdoors.. So a possible date for resuming of training?? Individual run plans are sickening at this point
are you based in England?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 22, 2021, 10:29:37 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 22, 2021, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 22, 2021, 08:41:58 PM
So... Just read through Boris's roadmap and 17th May allows 30 person limit outdoors.. So a possible date for resuming of training?? Individual run plans are sickening at this point
are you based in England?

Arelene/Michelle will copy and paste.. probably should have added that into my previous message
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 22, 2021, 10:43:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 22, 2021, 10:29:37 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 22, 2021, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 22, 2021, 08:41:58 PM
So... Just read through Boris's roadmap and 17th May allows 30 person limit outdoors.. So a possible date for resuming of training?? Individual run plans are sickening at this point
are you based in England?

Arelene/Michelle will copy and paste.. probably should have added that into my previous message
Probably will alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 23, 2021, 07:08:10 AM
Mourns red think you need to read that again
29 March. Organised outdoor sport kids and adults
We are not in England but watch these morons follow Boris
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 23, 2021, 08:10:27 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 23, 2021, 07:08:10 AM
Mourns red think you need to read that again
29 March. Organised outdoor sport kids and adults
We are not in England but watch these morons follow Boris

Didn't see that until you just mentioned Smurfy! only seen outdoor facilities.. Suppose pressure will be on the GAA to let clubs in the North train if we follow Boris
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 28, 2021, 10:46:45 PM
GAA Congress comes up with some good results but some poor decisions too.. now into March - hopefully not long until we see action on the pitches again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on March 16, 2021, 04:53:49 PM
Outstanding article today in Irish News from Jack Devanney.
He has shown great leadership  here and going out demanding a return to games in Northern Ireland before Republic returns. This makes sense as opposed to the romantic views from Tyrone. Our vaccination progress here and the First Minister allowing restrictions to be lifted soon makes it a very sensible and real prospect of games being played soon. The kids especially need back and let's hope this does not become political as we have different laws in NI so lets hope Down moves on. We led before in relation to the ground breaking rule 21 change .Jack Devanney won't be held back by the backward folk.
Even at congress he spoke very well and now could we be beginning to see the emergence of a potential GAA Presidential candidate in next election.
Proud of Jack's leadership.
Let's get behind him on this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on March 16, 2021, 05:56:07 PM
Quote from: yewtree on March 16, 2021, 04:53:49 PM
Outstanding article today in Irish News from Jack Devanney.
He has shown great leadership  here and going out demanding a return to games in Northern Ireland before Republic returns. This makes sense as opposed to the romantic views from Tyrone. Our vaccination progress here and the First Minister allowing restrictions to be lifted soon makes it a very sensible and real prospect of games being played soon. The kids especially need back and let's hope this does not become political as we have different laws in NI so lets hope Down moves on. We led before in relation to the ground breaking rule 21 change .Jack Devanney won't be held back by the backward folk.
Even at congress he spoke very well and now could we be beginning to see the emergence of a potential GAA Presidential candidate in next election.
Proud of Jack's leadership.
Let's get behind him on this.

Just skip over his blatant lie about organised training and having the police land up the Abbey...? yeah... great leadership  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 16, 2021, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 16, 2021, 05:56:07 PM
Quote from: yewtree on March 16, 2021, 04:53:49 PM
Outstanding article today in Irish News from Jack Devanney.
He has shown great leadership  here and going out demanding a return to games in Northern Ireland before Republic returns. This makes sense as opposed to the romantic views from Tyrone. Our vaccination progress here and the First Minister allowing restrictions to be lifted soon makes it a very sensible and real prospect of games being played soon. The kids especially need back and let's hope this does not become political as we have different laws in NI so lets hope Down moves on. We led before in relation to the ground breaking rule 21 change .Jack Devanney won't be held back by the backward folk.
Even at congress he spoke very well and now could we be beginning to see the emergence of a potential GAA Presidential candidate in next election.
Proud of Jack's leadership.
Let's get behind him on this.

Just skip over his blatant lie about organised training and having the police land up the Abbey...? yeah... great leadership  :o

This proven liar is an embarrassment to his 'adopted county'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 17, 2021, 09:37:17 AM
Quote from: Lotto on March 16, 2021, 07:16:58 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 16, 2021, 05:56:07 PM
Quote from: yewtree on March 16, 2021, 04:53:49 PM
Outstanding article today in Irish News from Jack Devanney.
He has shown great leadership  here and going out demanding a return to games in Northern Ireland before Republic returns. This makes sense as opposed to the romantic views from Tyrone. Our vaccination progress here and the First Minister allowing restrictions to be lifted soon makes it a very sensible and real prospect of games being played soon. The kids especially need back and let's hope this does not become political as we have different laws in NI so lets hope Down moves on. We led before in relation to the ground breaking rule 21 change .Jack Devanney won't be held back by the backward folk.
Even at congress he spoke very well and now could we be beginning to see the emergence of a potential GAA Presidential candidate in next election.
Proud of Jack's leadership.
Let's get behind him on this.

Just skip over his blatant lie about organised training and having the police land up the Abbey...? yeah... great leadership  :o

This proven liar is an embarrassment to his 'adopted county'.

There are plenty of proven liars native to this county so he's in good company.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on March 18, 2021, 01:01:41 AM
Quote from: yewtree on March 16, 2021, 04:53:49 PM
Outstanding article today in Irish News from Jack Devanney.
He has shown great leadership  here and going out demanding a return to games in Northern Ireland before Republic returns. This makes sense as opposed to the romantic views from Tyrone. Our vaccination progress here and the First Minister allowing restrictions to be lifted soon makes it a very sensible and real prospect of games being played soon. The kids especially need back and let's hope this does not become political as we have different laws in NI so lets hope Down moves on. We led before in relation to the ground breaking rule 21 change .Jack Devanney won't be held back by the backward folk.
Even at congress he spoke very well and now could we be beginning to see the emergence of a potential GAA Presidential candidate in next election.
Proud of Jack's leadership.
Let's get behind him on this.

The first minister?  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 18, 2021, 07:16:41 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on March 18, 2021, 01:01:41 AM
Quote from: yewtree on March 16, 2021, 04:53:49 PM
Outstanding article today in Irish News from Jack Devanney.
He has shown great leadership  here and going out demanding a return to games in Northern Ireland before Republic returns. This makes sense as opposed to the romantic views from Tyrone. Our vaccination progress here and the First Minister allowing restrictions to be lifted soon makes it a very sensible and real prospect of games being played soon. The kids especially need back and let's hope this does not become political as we have different laws in NI so lets hope Down moves on. We led before in relation to the ground breaking rule 21 change .Jack Devanney won't be held back by the backward folk.
Even at congress he spoke very well and now could we be beginning to see the emergence of a potential GAA Presidential candidate in next election.
Proud of Jack's leadership.
Let's get behind him on this.

The first minister?  ::)
Unfortunately I dont see the GAA allowing the northern counties to begin games. But kids should be back playing or training in some form.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on March 22, 2021, 06:35:49 AM
Yewtree, having read your post about honest Jack Devanney I now am convinced you are on drugs.This is a person who has told blatant lies about organising a training session in the abbey contrary to co vid regulations , how would he make a good GAA President when he can't conduct himself in the proper manner as Down GAA chairman.
Keep taking the tabs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 23, 2021, 11:58:49 AM
https://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/316169

A little bit of good news with a return to the pitch on the horizon, hopefully players have been looking after themselves and the club coaches take care in how they plan this return. It's one thing going running over the last few months, another thing altogether to be out on the field twisting, turning and playing ball.

It leaves around 7 weeks before the planned start of the ACFL so hopefully plenty of time for players to get up to speed and hit the ground running and provide us with some positive football action to talk about.

And more importantly the young players have something to enjoy after what has been an immensely challenging year for them with school closures, kid's entertainment facilities closed and sport put on hold. Let's hope once we return, we can finally look forward from all of this!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 29, 2021, 11:28:31 AM
Does anyone know the date that pitches are open? Do they open up on the 12th just when training is allowed?

I thought I seen something about 1st April but haven't been able to find an article the past few days that gives a date of them opening
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 29, 2021, 08:23:48 PM
12th April assuming the Executive pave the way week commencing 5th.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 29, 2021, 08:47:41 PM
Quote from: supersub on March 29, 2021, 08:23:48 PM
12th April assuming the Executive pave the way week commencing 5th.

Cheers supersub 👍🏻
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on March 30, 2021, 09:55:24 PM
See Cahir O'Kane grovelling big time in the Irish News today. A lot of these reporters forget that our games provide them with their living. His article was cringing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 01, 2021, 11:05:30 PM
Great episode of laochra gael on tg4 tonight. Pete mcgrath is some man for one man, he brought some great days to the county. He's given unreal service to Down gaa and gaa as a whole.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on April 02, 2021, 12:47:55 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 01, 2021, 11:05:30 PM
Great episode of laochra gael on tg4 tonight. Pete mcgrath is some man for one man, he brought some great days to the county. He's given unreal service to Down gaa and gaa as a whole.

Absolutely fantastic show with great memories.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 08, 2021, 10:54:05 PM
Couple of great coaching sessions online this week hosted by Down county board - more of this innovative fresh approach needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on April 13, 2021, 11:24:15 PM
Hear the greatest coach of all time has left Bryansford.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on April 14, 2021, 12:47:00 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on April 13, 2021, 11:24:15 PM
Hear the greatest coach of all time has left Bryansford.

££££ makes the world go around
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on April 14, 2021, 02:20:33 PM
Any word on who Poachers replacement is at the Ford?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on April 14, 2021, 04:36:39 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on April 13, 2021, 11:24:15 PM
Hear the greatest coach of all time has left Bryansford.

Trying to charge a club for zoom meetings is a bit much.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 15, 2021, 10:37:23 PM

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Trying to charge a club for zoom meetings is a bit much.
[/quote]

Did he seriously do this?? Or is it the usual tripe being spouted about him just because it's him???
With the season started on Monday past it leaves the Ford in limbo for management or are they sorted already??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on April 17, 2021, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: Lotto on April 14, 2021, 04:36:39 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on April 13, 2021, 11:24:15 PM
Hear the greatest coach of all time has left Bryansford.

Trying to charge a club for zoom meetings is a bit much.

He absolutely did Johnny no doubt He put it out there that he wasn't happy with the covid guidelines he was told to work under so he left. It was all money related which is despicable and just pure greed. It probably suited him to leave as Bryansford were gonna be a distraction with him involved with Roscommon as well. I was looking forward to reading the truth in the Newry Reporter about him leaving but all I read was a list of glorious failures with club and county teams over a number of years. No doubt Roscommon will be added to that list quite soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on April 20, 2021, 04:13:51 PM
Provisional dates out for the leagues to start in Down and not happening until the county is out of ulster . Club players shat on as usual . Also talk of an in league warm up cup competition to use as friendlies before the actual league in order to fend off travelling to other counties . Again a poor idea as any team going for anything seriously will not want to show their hand to the same clubs they will ultimately compete with . It will become farcical with teams using them just to get players game time.  Maybe a better idea would be teams from areas competing against each other from any division . St johns , castlewellan , kilcoo and the Finn for example . If teams are gonna play weakened sides anyway maybe use this freak year and circumstance to give lower league teams a crack at the big boys and see where the standard is at and maybe improve down football as a whole as a result .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on April 20, 2021, 07:28:10 PM
Donegal at Pairc Esler is a tough one in a year with no back door.  One to look forward to so we need a good league preparation. They were being talked about as possibly the only threat to the Dubs last year until Cavan tore into them, we will need everything to go right and pray that everything goes wrong for them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 20, 2021, 07:29:40 PM
Well given that Down have drawn Donegal in the preliminary round on the weekend of 26/27th of June, the leagues should be starting the following week!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 20, 2021, 10:31:37 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 20, 2021, 07:28:10 PM
Donegal at Pairc Esler is a tough one in a year with no back door.  One to look forward to so we need a good league preparation. They were being talked about as possibly the only threat to the Dubs last year until Cavan tore into them, we will need everything to go right and pray that everything goes wrong for them
any hope of supporters being back for this one?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on April 25, 2021, 10:18:57 AM
Quote from: Lloyd p on April 14, 2021, 02:20:33 PM
Any word on who Poachers replacement is at the Ford?

See Ford have announced new management team of Conor Gribben, Chris Brannigan and Ambrose Rogers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on April 25, 2021, 07:09:55 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on April 20, 2021, 07:28:10 PM
Donegal at Pairc Esler is a tough one in a year with no back door.  One to look forward to so we need a good league preparation. They were being talked about as possibly the only threat to the Dubs last year until Cavan tore into them, we will need everything to go right and pray that everything goes wrong for them

Its the hardest draw we could have got, home or away is irrelevant with no supporters and we certainly wont win that game. That will be 3 years with one championship win v Fermanagh for Tally and co. No Ulster title in 28 years next year, it really beggars belief. Any news on the U20 season, excited to see what Conor Lav can do with that talented group.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 25, 2021, 10:37:55 PM

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Its the hardest draw we could have got, home or away is irrelevant with no supporters and we certainly wont win that game. That will be 3 years with one championship win v Fermanagh for Tally and co. No Ulster title in 28 years next year, it really beggars belief. Any news on the U20 season, excited to see what Conor Lav can do with that talented group.
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He has done plenty of training with them anyhow!! Lockdown means nothing to this group...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 27, 2021, 03:30:17 PM
Has there been any retirements/any new faces in the Down squad for this year? Hopefully Darren O'Hagan is back, will need full squad a available to even compete in the league and give Donegal a game a bit of a game this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 29, 2021, 09:55:31 PM
I see the fixtures are out for the new competition Corn an Duin. I hope it's a success and gives lads a real edge for when the league season starts..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 04, 2021, 10:14:12 AM
I like this idea and saves sorting out challenge matches and unnecessary travel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 07, 2021, 06:53:25 AM
Out in front it's probably a good competition for smaller clubs but the bigger clubs will give out some hammerings
Our group we will have 3 dead rubbers against the 3 mourn clubs Longstone Ballymartin and Attical
Word is we will enter our second string team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 07, 2021, 01:22:21 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 07, 2021, 06:53:25 AM
Out in front it's probably a good competition for smaller clubs but the bigger clubs will give out some hammerings
Our group we will have 3 dead rubbers against the 3 mourn clubs Longstone Ballymartin and Attical
Word is we will enter our second string team
Don't quite get that logic of fielding your 2nds.So the non County players on the Seniors
get no football???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 07, 2021, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on April 27, 2021, 03:30:17 PM
Has there been any retirements/any new faces in the Down squad for this year? Hopefully Darren O'Hagan is back, will need full squad a available to even compete in the league and give Donegal a game a bit of a game this year.
Gerald McGovern and Shay Miller I believe will be back. McParland prob wont be back in time.
Ryan Johnson isnt in panel. Shelan concentrating o  U20s. All a cording to the irish news
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 07, 2021, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 07, 2021, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on April 27, 2021, 03:30:17 PM
Has there been any retirements/any new faces in the Down squad for this year? Hopefully Darren O'Hagan is back, will need full squad a available to even compete in the league and give Donegal a game a bit of a game this year.
Gerald McGovern and Shay Miller I believe will be back. McParland prob wont be back in time.
Ryan Johnson isnt in panel. Shelan concentrating o  U20s. All a cording to the irish news
Irish news has gone to pot this past few years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 07, 2021, 09:34:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 07, 2021, 06:53:25 AM
Out in front it's probably a good competition for smaller clubs but the bigger clubs will give out some hammerings
Our group we will have 3 dead rubbers against the 3 mourn clubs Longstone Ballymartin and Attical
Word is we will enter our second string team

Short memory young Murphy. Very short memory. Don't be such a knob.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 09, 2021, 08:53:00 AM
Down suffered a big defeat at the hands of Tyrone last week in Newry

Team
Burns
Murdock
McGovern
Collins
Laverty
Flynn
McEvoy
Middleton
Poland
Mooney
Devlin
Guiness
Quinn
McCrickard
Doherty


Decent team that by the looks of it those lads would be fighting for a starting place next week with this group likely to return
Darren O H
Barry O H
Kevin McK
Peter F
Liam K
James G
Benny McA
Conor G


Strong team if above lads come into the team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 09, 2021, 09:15:36 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 09, 2021, 08:53:00 AM
Down suffered a big defeat at the hands of Tyrone last week in Newry

Team
Burns
Murdock
McGovern
Collins
Laverty
Flynn
McEvoy
Middleton
Poland
Mooney
Devlin
Guiness
Quinn
McCrickard
Doherty


Decent team that by the looks of it those lads would be fighting for a starting place next week with this group likely to return
Darren O H
Barry O H
Kevin McK
Peter F
Liam K
James G
Benny McA
Conor G


Strong team if above lads come into the team

Sweet f**k, has that Tyrone man a clue putting out a team like that so close to the start of the league?  He has been taking a serious dough from Down over the last 2 years and he obviously knows nothing about his players. Paddy Murdock is a No.3, Johnny Flynn is not a No. 6. Poland is not a county midfielder. Mooney and Guinness need to be coming onto the ball. Devlin is? Who is going to score with that forward line apart from Quinn in that team? Apart from Kerr and Darren O'Hagan in the subs there is not much else to inspire me. Just throw the towel in now Tally.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on May 10, 2021, 04:56:06 PM
Down were devastating in the first half against Cavan last year, Mooney (especially) but also Johnson and Kerr. We panicked in the 2nd half, but if  we could recreate that pace and drive we could compete with any county (in Ulster). Is Johnson off the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 12, 2021, 06:18:26 PM
Big blow to us with Cormac MCartan out for the season and Patrick Murdock also injured both picked up with Down
Cormac has picked up the dreaded cruciate
Our most consistent player
Wil pick my Down starting team later after I get over my disappointment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 13, 2021, 04:50:27 PM
Spectators allowed back on 24th May up to 500.. Plenty of football being played this summer to.. Be great getting back to watching some ball
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 13, 2021, 07:21:30 PM
Taken from Hoganstand

Tally says training breach was an error of judgement but he knows other counties were at it
May 13, 2021

Down manager Paddy Tally says he wishes he had never taken the coaching session in Abbey CBS last January that was deemed in breach of the GAA's Covid-19 rules.

Tally received an eight week suspension from the GAA for organisining the session and talking to Brian Carthy on his latest Podcast, the Mourne manager says it was an 'error of judgement'.

"It was an error of judgement on my behalf and I do regret taking the players out for that session," explained Tally who said it was definitely unusual to see the PSNI arrive half way through. "It was strange, they don't normally come to watch training sessions."

Explaining the circumstances, Tally says they were working with a small group of new players to the panel.

"I had a number of new players out. I'd taken a few players out to show them the running programme, what they had to do for the next six weeks before we would start training, just to get ready. That's all it really amounted to.

"As the law was in the North, we weren't breaking any Covid regulations. In the North we were seen as elite and the law says you could train in groups of less than 15. But we did break the GAA rule. Looking back at it now, I wish we just hadn't done it."

Tally also explained that he knew other counties were training and the get together was an attempt not to get left behind.

"That was our first get together and to be honest with you, we knew that a lot of other counties were back out doing stuff. And I had been contacted by a number of other managers telling me that they had been doing bits and could we take a challenge match. So I thought most other counties that I know are doing it so maybe we should start getting something done. It was a little bit of panic on my behalf and an error of judgement."




As proud Down man I would plead to anyone with influence to ask these 'blow ins' to do the right thing and stop spouting their lies over Abbeygate. Our county chairman was caught out several times with his lies and now Tally, who previously trying to cover up to some degree, now says that there were only a few new lads there. Seriously, the new season is upon us and you are trying to get the county behind you but you come out with a ball of lies to try to justify training over lockdown. Everybody else being at it as well, apparently, and these men contacted him looking for a game. Catch a grip. Tailtean Cup next year so you'll be gone anyway Paddy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 13, 2021, 09:12:25 PM
It's called the Tailteann Cup and the director general, Tom Ryan, has been unable to say when it may ever be launched. However, Lotto, as a self proclaimed proud Down man, is still plainly hoping that we lose every game this season and get relegated anyway. Paddy Tally has admitted to an error of judgment during the covid restrictions and he was certainly not the only manager in the same position. He has a huge game on Saturday and every true Down supporter will be wishing him well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on May 13, 2021, 09:31:38 PM
Antrim played by the rules last year and the opposition put seven goals past us, training regularly during lockdown when we abided by the rules! Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Cost us promotion.

Coming on to a public discussion board to hang your own county out to dry is a completely different kind of low. at least that's the way I see it!  The kind of supporter who wants to see his own county team beaten in every match. These individuals should be avoided at all costs.

Good luck to Paddy Tally and Down for the coming year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2021, 01:45:25 PM
Down team to start tomorrow
Burns
Collins
McGovern
Mcelroy
Laverty
Flynn
D Guiness
McEvoy
Poland
J guiness
Dougherty
Mooney
O hag
Quinn
McKernan


Interesting to see Mooney at 12
McKernan Wil act as sweeper
McElroy Longstone  and McEvoy Kilcoo to make debut

Strong team
Team not officially released
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 14, 2021, 04:47:28 PM
Down team named for mayo;

R Burns

G Collins
G McGovern
P Murdock

P Laverty
K McKernan
J Flynn

R McEvoy
C Mooney

C Doherty
C Poland
D Guinness

B O'Hagan
J Guinness
C Quinn

good luck to the lads for the year ahead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 15, 2021, 02:58:17 PM
Well that was a brutal second period of the first half. Kickout strategy?? No tackling, midfield non existent, sweeper - where is he?? Brutal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 15, 2021, 03:14:02 PM
It's appalling. I would hate to be a defender in a team that gets so absolutely pummelled at midfield. Must be soul destroying.

Down county board would be well within rights to shut off all expenditure on stats and GPS at this point in time. They're  both a distraction and a giant f**king waste of money when the coaches / players are unable / unwilling to find ways to gain a foothold on primary possession.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 15, 2021, 03:17:30 PM
This is really bad today. Massive gap between the 2 teams. Down midfield and kickouts have been very poor. Must be soul destroying. But you only learn from playing the better teams and this is some learning curve today. Mayo look seriously fitter. Donegal wont be too worried.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 15, 2021, 03:42:30 PM
Team improved when Kerr and Darren O'Hagan came on.  Down dropped when Mayo got the goal. Barry couldve had a goal but Mayo took the foot of the pedal.  Not sure where Down go from here. Need to stay in Div 2. Down need to be playing strong teams to become competitive.  Conditions were attrocious at times but were the same for both sides. Meath up next, another stern test.  Long journey home after that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 15, 2021, 03:42:35 PM
Poor enough game from Down and were lucky to tag on a goal and few points near the end when Mayo were home and dry. Midfield was non existent with Mooney maybe touching the ball 4 times in the game although he won primary possession twice which was more than many. Tally has far too much faith in some players that just aren't up to standard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on May 15, 2021, 03:45:11 PM
My expectations were low, a Div 3 team vs a Div 1 team, but that was disappointing. No plan for our kick-outs (or their kick-outs), no midfield, wasteful shooting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 15, 2021, 03:51:36 PM
Some things never change. There has been little to no progress now with Tally into his third term. He could possibly start with a kickout strategy to retain possession, this is basic stuff men. We should have stayed in Div 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 15, 2021, 05:02:22 PM
No kick out strategy 3 years later
There has to be a better keeper in Down.
Such an underwhelming performance from Down
The less said about it the better
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 15, 2021, 05:28:55 PM
Beat by a team that played an All Ireland final six months ago, a very good side, on their own patch. Not sure what some people were expecting, but plenty of knee jerk reactions to be found after the first competitive game of the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 15, 2021, 05:36:58 PM
Man with no plan it's the fact that it's the same problem
Yes we are not blessed with big men but surely after year 3 we would have a plan to gain primary possession
Forwards playing as individuals and not as a team

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 15, 2021, 06:48:38 PM
[quote author=manwithnoplan link=topic=25.msg2051096#msg2051096 date=1621096135]
Beat by a team that played an All Ireland final six months ago, a very good side, on their own patch. Not sure what some people were expecting, but plenty of knee jerk reactions to be found after the first competitive game of the season.
[/quote]

manwithnoplan welcome on board Paddy  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 15, 2021, 08:52:02 PM
Despite a lack of kickout strategy and no tackling etc - basics were lacking.. plus my club man was absolutely cleaned out of it but yet remained on the pitch.. I don't understand that thinking. A few others got roasted today too.. are the current players on the panel the best we have in the county??? And please don't start about players from Kilcoo who don't want to play...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 15, 2021, 10:10:41 PM
Today was very disappointing but not particularly surprising. We have struggled to deal with kick outs under successive managers and we are not producing midfielders who have either the size or the technique needed in the modern game. It would be wrong to completely blame Burns, who frequently had little to aim at, but the leading keepers are capable of organising their teammates and putting the ball into areas where we have a decent chance of retaining possession. Our related statistics from Castlebar could only be embarrassing, and we are heading back to D3 if there are not addressed. While Mayo are realistically a level or two above us, and Meath next week will be a better test of where we really stand, the indications are not good. Donegal's display tonight was also pretty ominous for the USC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 15, 2021, 10:14:49 PM
First switch should be the goalkeeper
No where near good enough
Far to slow getting his kickouts away

O Kane Kilcoo keeper
McGarry CPN
Savage BFORD
Loughran BALLYHOLLAND
SMYTH Mayobridge

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 15, 2021, 10:24:35 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 15, 2021, 06:48:38 PM
[quote author=manwithnoplan link=topic=25.msg2051096#msg2051096 date=1621096135]
Beat by a team that played an All Ireland final six months ago, a very good side, on their own patch. Not sure what some people were expecting, but plenty of knee jerk reactions to be found after the first competitive game of the season.

manwithnoplan welcome on board Paddy  ;D
[/quote]

What were your realistic expectations for today? Reading many of your posts, you either don't see Down football realistically, or you are just very negative. It's been 27 years since Down won Ulster, many managers have failed. Do you not think that the problem maybe doesn't lie with the current senior management? Like club football, there are varying levels to each team. Currently Down are not near the top half. As others mentioned, the physicality isn't there. This is vital in football now. Can't just go out and grow some 6ft 3 lads who can play football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 15, 2021, 10:28:57 PM
Burns 4 Kickouts aimed long to the sideline
Paddy 5 tough days at the office. Destroyed
McGovern 6 looks a good bit of the pace
Collins 6 wasteful with the ball
Laverty 4 no impact on the game. What does he do?
Flynn. 5 no impact. A midfielder
McKernan. 4 sweeper. Was never in that position. Time is up
Poland 4 no impact. Not on the ball
McEvoy 5 quiet debut will improve
Guiness 4 fitness but adds nothing to the attack
Mooney 5 his quietest game for a long time
J guiness 4 poor. Doesn't tackle
O Hagan 5 misses a lot. One of better players
Quinn 5 poor ball goin in but lost all 50/50 battles
Dougherty 4 off early and could have been anyone
Kerr 5 direct and will start next week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 15, 2021, 11:20:02 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 15, 2021, 10:14:49 PM
First switch should be the goalkeeper
No where near good enough
Far to slow getting his kickouts away

O Kane Kilcoo keeper
McGarry CPN
Savage BFORD
Loughran BALLYHOLLAND
SMYTH Mayobridge

Kane isn't even the best keeper in kilcoo ffs... how could he play county level..
please tell me you are joking about McGarry??? Big games in county championship he disappears let alone playing at intercounty level..
Danny Savage has been tried by every manager from wee James to Tally in year 1.. NOT intercounty level... he must be 32 ish as well..
Loughran - dead ball specialist no doubt and suits the way harps play with 1 up and 14 back - he has pace to get the ball.. but I'd say Guinness x2, BO'H, CQ, CD, Poland are all better footballers tbh
Smyth - this has to be a piss take?? This lad scored a few dead balls in the championship last year and is now hailed our next hero. At 6'2 he can't win his own ball in midfield, doesn't compete well in crowded areas and doesn't tackle.. is it because he is over 6 foot we now feel we have a baller???

I despair at some of the suggestions on here...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on May 16, 2021, 05:06:05 AM
There are guys from your community, your families and parishes who get a call up for county duty, consider it a supreme honour, train hard 4 nights a week, watch their diet closely, do gym work often twice a day, build life around representing their county. Not just the starting 15, but subs and boys who don't even get their name on the programme.

And some self righteous p***k thinks he has a right to come into social media and name names and denegrate  insult and cast judgement as if they were all Jack O Shea's themselves back in the day. Cyber bullies, that's what you are - can't you make a good point while leaving the names and personal shit out of it???

Mourne Rover made his point more than adequately without seeing the need to get personal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 16, 2021, 07:17:17 AM
Hard to disagree with any of that bannside.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 16, 2021, 10:10:53 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 15, 2021, 11:20:02 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 15, 2021, 10:14:49 PM
First switch should be the goalkeeper
No where near good enough
Far to slow getting his kickouts away

O Kane Kilcoo keeper
McGarry CPN
Savage BFORD
Loughran BALLYHOLLAND
SMYTH Mayobridge

Kane isn't even the best keeper in kilcoo ffs... how could he play county level..
please tell me you are joking about McGarry??? Big games in county championship he disappears let alone playing at intercounty level..
Danny Savage has been tried by every manager from wee James to Tally in year 1.. NOT intercounty level... he must be 32 ish as well..
Loughran - dead ball specialist no doubt and suits the way harps play with 1 up and 14 back - he has pace to get the ball.. but I'd say Guinness x2, BO'H, CQ, CD, Poland are all better footballers tbh
Smyth - this has to be a piss take?? This lad scored a few dead balls in the championship last year and is now hailed our next hero. At 6'2 he can't win his own ball in midfield, doesn't compete well in crowded areas and doesn't tackle.. is it because he is over 6 foot we now feel we have a baller???

I despair at some of the suggestions on here...
He is 28ish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 16, 2021, 10:31:32 AM
Catch yourself on bannside
It's a discussion board
I give a brief take on how the starting team performed yesterday and not 1 personal attack
That's what this is for
Nothing personal
And Ross is 29 and hasn't ever got an opportunity
Why not give him a go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 16, 2021, 11:01:23 AM
Lines have gotten silly blurry above.

Lotto's belief that he is entitled to continually attack and slander semi-public figures from the cover of anonymity is misled and downright disgusting. I sincerely hope he gets a knock on the door from PSNI one day, just so he realises that the playing field is more even than he thinks.

But when posters on a GAA discussion forum find it wrong that other posters might analyse and criticise the performances of players/management in GAA matches, then you really to have a good think about why the f**k it is you might tune into a GAA discussion board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 16, 2021, 12:19:35 PM
Quote from: bannside on May 16, 2021, 05:06:05 AM
There are guys from your community, your families and parishes who get a call up for county duty, consider it a supreme honour, train hard 4 nights a week, watch their diet closely, do gym work often twice a day, build life around representing their county. Not just the starting 15, but subs and boys who don't even get their name on the programme.

And some self righteous p***k thinks he has a right to come into social media and name names and denegrate  insult and cast judgement as if they were all Jack O Shea's themselves back in the day. Cyber bullies, that's what you are - can't you make a good point while leaving the names and personal shit out of it???

Mourne Rover made his point more than adequately without seeing the need to get personal.

Would you keep your nose out of this thread. You slabber enough on your own section without pontificating on here. You are a well known trouble maker in your own county so sort out your own problems, and believe me you have plenty, first before being a dick on here. Just f**k away off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 16, 2021, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 16, 2021, 11:01:23 AM
Lines have gotten silly blurry above.

Lotto's belief that he is entitled to continually attack and slander semi-public figures from the cover of anonymity is misled and downright disgusting. I sincerely hope he gets a knock on the door from PSNI one day, just so he realises that the playing field is more even than he thinks.

But when posters on a GAA discussion forum find it wrong that other posters might analyse and criticise the performances of players/management in GAA matches, then you really to have a good think about why the f**k it is you might tune into a GAA discussion board.

::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 16, 2021, 03:41:10 PM
With the way the game is moving particularly at intercounty level - can you realistically start out your career at 28/29?? I understand savage and mcgarry being very good club players and not intercounty standard - that has happened loads in the past and I'm sure will again in the future.. intercounty is seriously pacy and conditioned players who are usually early to mid 20s when establishing themselves.. Are there any potential u20 players who could feature this year???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on May 16, 2021, 06:56:49 PM
Tally will stick with the players he trusts so the current panel will have to step up. Nobody will know more than themselves and they could win the next two games if the kick out strategy is addressed immediately and players believe in themselves.  One practical suggestion; Burns always seems to be in a rush, presumably under orders, he should compose himself more and get it right.
On a separate note, great win for the hurlers. Down were 5 to 1 according to the Irish News so that result from Ballycran is a big one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 16, 2021, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on May 16, 2021, 06:56:49 PM
Tally will stick with the players he trusts so the current panel will have to step up. Nobody will know more than themselves and they could win the next two games if the kick out strategy is addressed immediately and players believe in themselves.  One practical suggestion; Burns always seems to be in a rush, presumably under orders, he should compose himself more and get it right.
On a separate note, great win for the hurlers. Down were 5 to 1 according to the Irish News so that result from Ballycran is a big one

Massive result for the hurlers. Carlow had been threatening to break into top 10 in recent years , and are surrounded by Hurling counties compared to Down's isolation, massive credit to all involved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 17, 2021, 09:10:05 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 16, 2021, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on May 16, 2021, 06:56:49 PM
Tally will stick with the players he trusts so the current panel will have to step up. Nobody will know more than themselves and they could win the next two games if the kick out strategy is addressed immediately and players believe in themselves.  One practical suggestion; Burns always seems to be in a rush, presumably under orders, he should compose himself more and get it right.
On a separate note, great win for the hurlers. Down were 5 to 1 according to the Irish News so that result from Ballycran is a big one

Massive result for the hurlers. Carlow had been threatening to break into top 10 in recent years , and are surrounded by Hurling counties compared to Down's isolation, massive credit to all involved

TBH I didn't see that one coming and thought like everyone else thought there would be 10+ points between the teams.

Soundings from some of our lads on the panel were that the previous week they'd just run out of puff after driving all the way to Kerry in the morning and then to play a game of hurling is unrealistic after 6 odd hours on a bus.

Wicklow next, a game they'd be expecting to win so hopefully they can kick on and get another few points on the board before facing Offaly and Meath.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: grounded on May 17, 2021, 06:28:28 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 16, 2021, 09:15:46 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on May 16, 2021, 06:56:49 PM
Tally will stick with the players he trusts so the current panel will have to step up. Nobody will know more than themselves and they could win the next two games if the kick out strategy is addressed immediately and players believe in themselves.  One practical suggestion; Burns always seems to be in a rush, presumably under orders, he should compose himself more and get it right.
On a separate note, great win for the hurlers. Down were 5 to 1 according to the Irish News so that result from Ballycran is a big one

Massive result for the hurlers. Carlow had been threatening to break into top 10 in recent years , and are surrounded by Hurling counties compared to Down's isolation, massive credit to all involved

Brilliant result from the hurlers. As others have said totally unexpected. Roll on Wicklow.
      As for the footballers, is anybody seriously  surprised by the result? Apart from Dublin who are in different stratosphere, Mayo along with Kerry are probably the best of the rest.
      Its also the first game of the league in a most disjointed year, preparation wise.
       I wouldn't be too disheartened. We definitely have potential to improve.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 17, 2021, 10:55:02 PM
Footballers home to Meath this weekend - now a must win game to keep divisional status.

Who should start??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 17, 2021, 11:14:05 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 17, 2021, 10:55:02 PM
Footballers home to Meath this weekend - now a must win game to keep divisional status.

Who should start??
a home match but in the athletic grounds 🙄 this week's match will give us a better idea of where we stand
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 18, 2021, 07:51:06 PM
Must win match for Down in Armagh on Sunday
Not to often Armagh do Down any favours but the allowed Down to train on it

Down team for Sunday

My pick

O hare
Fegan
McEvoy
McGovern
Annett
O Hagan
D guiness
J Flynn
C Mooney
Poland
Devlin
McConville
Quinn
O Hagan
McArdle Sweeper



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 18, 2021, 08:00:55 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 18, 2021, 07:51:06 PM
Must win match for Down in Armagh on Sunday
Not to often Armagh do Down any favours but the allowed Down to train on it

Down team for Sunday

My pick

O hare
Fegan
McEvoy
McGovern
Annett
O Hagan
D guiness
J Flynn
C Mooney
Poland
Devlin
McConville
Quinn
O Hagan
McArdle Sweeper
Something tells me O'Hare isn't county this season. Think he lined out for Glenn last weekend. Marc Reid is back up goalie I believe
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 18, 2021, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 18, 2021, 07:51:06 PM
Must win match for Down in Armagh on Sunday
Not to often Armagh do Down any favours but the allowed Down to train on it

Down team for Sunday

My pick

O hare
Fegan
McEvoy
McGovern
Annett
O Hagan
D guiness
J Flynn
C Mooney
Poland
Devlin
McConville
Quinn
O Hagan
McArdle Sweeper

Annett not on panel either...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 19, 2021, 06:53:33 AM
Why are they not in squad?

Would have liked to see both in Action

It's a massive match.

Meath supporters seem to feel they have went back in 2 years and put in a poor performance on Sunday so we may see the backlash

Thinking about the keeper situation. Whilst I'm certainly not his biggest fan Burns seems to be hung out to dry by management and players. No kickout strategy falls back on him. He has obviously been told to hit that famous pack where all the players bunch and try win the break ball.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 20, 2021, 09:29:21 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 19, 2021, 06:53:33 AM
Why are they not in squad?

Would have liked to see both in Action

It's a massive match.

Meath supporters seem to feel they have went back in 2 years and put in a poor performance on Sunday so we may see the backlash

Thinking about the keeper situation. Whilst I'm certainly not his biggest fan Burns seems to be hung out to dry by management and players. No kickout strategy falls back on him. He has obviously been told to hit that famous pack where all the players bunch and try win the break ball.

Annett left and O'Hare hasnt been on the panel in two years. Why would you not play your own club man Smurfy?

Massive game is right, we really need to win this Sunday (and we can) or else its a battle on the final day to see who gets the handier relegation play off. Staying up is all we can hope for because we wont beat Donegal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 22, 2021, 11:42:06 AM
Down team for tomorrow

M Reid
C McCartan
G McGovern
P Fegan
P Laverty
C Mooney
D o Hagan
J Flynn
C Poland
D Guiness
J guiness
R McEvoy
P Devln
B o Hagan
C Quinn

I like the sound of Mooney in defence coming onto the ball. He had great year when Down reached the ulster final
Poland and Flynn better at midfield as both were played out of position last week
Burns McKernan Murdock Collins and Doherty pay the price for last weeks performance
Is Darren ready for a full match
Is Reid up for it
A strong team hopefully a big performance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on May 22, 2021, 04:54:02 PM
Some recovery from C Mccartan after you telling us he'd done his cruciate Smurfy!? Something tells me you are a complete spoofer  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 22, 2021, 05:48:12 PM
How can you spoof naming a team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 22, 2021, 09:18:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 22, 2021, 11:42:06 AM
Down team for tomorrow

M Reid
C McCartan
G McGovern
P Fegan
P Laverty
C Mooney
D o Hagan
J Flynn
C Poland
D Guiness
J guiness
R McEvoy
P Devln
B o Hagan
C Quinn

I like the sound of Mooney in defence coming onto the ball. He had great year when Down reached the ulster final
Poland and Flynn better at midfield as both were played out of position last week
Burns McKernan Murdock Collins and Doherty pay the price for last weeks performance
Is Darren ready for a full match
Is Reid up for it
A strong team hopefully a big performance

Reid is a long ball man and will be hung out to dry like Burns if he doesn't have more options or movement in defence first of all. Mooney and Darren will give much more of a burst through the middle third. Midfield continues to be a weakness particularly when the box kick out strategy is used. Again, no big consistent scorers up from apart from Quinn, no graft in Devlin and Mc Evoy will be in MF with D Guinness at HB. Not very promising and coming against a physically bigger team will make this very difficult tomorrow. I hope they prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 23, 2021, 11:41:42 AM
Down team named

M Reid
P Fegan
G McGovern
P Murdock
P Laverty
D O'Hagan
C Mooney
R McEvoy
J Flynn
J Guinness
B O'Hagan
L Kerr
D Guinness
C Quinn
P Devlin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on May 23, 2021, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 22, 2021, 05:48:12 PM
How can you spoof naming a team?

Pretty easily it seems  :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 23, 2021, 12:23:43 PM
Spoof because I named the correct team?
Do you think it was a wild guess Mooney moved to the defence?
And O Hagan Reid Devlin and McCartan will all start
What have I spoofed about?
Kerr in for Poland was the only late change
Where have I spoofed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: grounded on May 23, 2021, 01:45:43 PM
Fingers crossed for this evening. There is not a whole pile of difference between the 2 teams. So could go either way. Just hoping for a better performance than last week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 23, 2021, 04:57:53 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 23, 2021, 01:45:43 PM
Fingers crossed for this evening. There is not a whole pile of difference between the 2 teams. So could go either way. Just hoping for a better performance than last week.

Theres a massive difference on the scoreboard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 23, 2021, 05:22:14 PM
An absolutely awful performance from Down, making no progress whatsoever and div3/4 is the level that this team are at, a complete mess!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 23, 2021, 05:28:28 PM
You'd near swear these players never seen each other in their lives. No cohesion whatsoever on the team. I dont mind them playing defensive football if thats the what Talley thinks their strengths are but by god at least be good at it if you're going to play that way
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 23, 2021, 05:53:08 PM
Absolutely horrendous display but possibly overshadowed by the clueless performance of an inept referee. I don't know where this team is heading but it certainly isn't upwards. Encouraging to see Conor Mc Crickard finishing strongly when everybody else had thrown the towel in. Stories of unrest in the camp also appearing which affected team selection today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 23, 2021, 06:48:35 PM
Really poor stuff today. Slow, boring, negative. Scoreline flattered Down at the end because Meath were much the better team. They looked like a team while we looked like a load of fellas that had been gathered up that morning.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on May 23, 2021, 08:05:22 PM
Holy shite where does this team go from here... Disappointing thing was I wasn't surprised by the result. If anything it flattered down. Every team in Ulster would appear to be making progress except Down. The reality is some of the best players in Down aren't playing for the County for one reason or another and it could be another 20+years before they are challenging for an Ulster title. No progress on the field and a stale Co Board making no progress off the field... Sorry for the doom and gloom but its the reality of Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on May 23, 2021, 08:16:19 PM
Never been further away....wouldn't matter who the personnel were...just not good enough and no light at the end of the tunnel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 23, 2021, 08:18:16 PM
Who are all these best players not playing for Down
With the exception of J Johnstone?
Down have been very poor since this management took over
No game plan but plant 13 behind the ball and hope for the best
Antrim and Derry seem to be making real progress
What is the game plan?
What progress has been made?
What has Tally brought to the table?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 23, 2021, 08:45:54 PM
I fear this team will take an awful beating of Donegal if they dont get some sort of cohesion and quick. Westmeath a big game next week and I cant see them winning that. A playoff for relegation possibly against Cork? It would take some dramatic change for this team to stay up. Down were fortunate to get promoted last year alot of teams at same level in div 3 last term apart from Cork.  I thought Down would struggle to stay up but I didnt realise we were this poor,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 23, 2021, 09:37:00 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 23, 2021, 08:18:16 PM
Down have been very poor since this management took over

Down have been poor for years before this management took over. Its just more of the same.

Calling for change at senior level is like the English press thinking with a change of manager they'd win the world cup.


The changes need to happen on down the age groups. Unfortunately, playstations & xboxes are winning the attention of youngsters and football sport is a very distant second. [Which in itself doesn't explain the drop in performance relative to others - but is one of the obstacles that must be overcome to address the issues.]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 23, 2021, 10:46:19 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 15, 2021, 10:14:49 PM
First switch should be the goalkeeper
No where near good enough
Far to slow getting his kickouts away

O Kane Kilcoo keeper
McGarry CPN
Savage BFORD
Loughran BALLYHOLLAND
SMYTH Mayobridge

I see Savage came on today.. still not a county player in my eyes...

Very very poor today. Cohesion, kickouts, team play etc have all been talked about on here - but their basics of the game are fierce poor.. we don't tackle to dispossess we run along side men n pull n drag n concede free kicks galore.. catching, kicking, fist passing, pickups - breaks my heart watching them plus we look heavy.. bar Mooney and Kerr who have blistering pace all other players look heavy set.  Might work for January/February league football with heavy pitches but not this time of year.. Michael Murphy injured hamstring today could help us to keep score down v Donegal.. I fear this match..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: grounded on May 23, 2021, 11:08:18 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 23, 2021, 04:57:53 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 23, 2021, 01:45:43 PM
Fingers crossed for this evening. There is not a whole pile of difference between the 2 teams. So could go either way. Just hoping for a better performance than last week.

Theres a massive difference on the scoreboard.

Yep, i never thought we are that bad. Things are bleak
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 23, 2021, 11:09:48 PM
Down looked very heavy legged today.
Compared to Cavan last year where we had pace everywhere in the team
Still all the play for in a one off match against one of the other teams in south
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 24, 2021, 08:32:46 AM
Even the Sunday Game match commentator passing a snidey comment at the end as to how poor Down were..

With 40 odd clubs and the vast majority of the CB's resources behind football, it's really poor stuff all the same.

Hope someone grabs the nettle and shakes these development squads up as evidently Down aren't producing the right types of footballers.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on May 24, 2021, 10:01:24 AM
Let's not pretend that the best players are playing in the county...I guarantee you could pick 15 lads about the county to beat this Down team. The management have to take some responsibility because I think the style of football has been so negative, but they'll argue that's because they're not working with the best talent either...so it's a chicken and egg scenario.

I think over the last ten years or so, our mantra has been to 'not lose the game' rather than try and win it. Poor stuff, yesterday was no surprise other than I thought it would've been more of a drubbing. Tough division this year no doubt and I for one thought this experience would do the lads good but it seems to be having the total opposite effect.

IMO the most obvious position that needs addressed is at N0.1. Several Keepers that spring to mind, not sure if anyone else was asked or not but seems to be a massive area for improvement. That being said, the current lads have had zero help with no kick out plan or movement even to give them support.

Can anyone here explain why the obvious Kilcoo contingent aren't available...ever? IMO Niall Kane, Eugene, Daryl and Aaron Brannigan would be a massive help to the cause and I'd probably have Donach McAleenan in there from CPN...think he's a class player too. Is Steven Fegan involved from Burren? He's another fine player but riddled with injuries so maybe not available. Heard a few very strange names mentioned for call ups to the squad over the last month or so which seem questionable...won't mention the names as I'd rather not sledge people on here but is there no1 else people can think of for a call up to add some experience and something a bit different to what we have?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 24, 2021, 11:57:56 AM
I think there is too much focus on tactics etc at underage making players more robotic and also sapping enjoyment out of the game for youngsters.

I'm not saying take competitive edge out of Gaelic but replace these tactics training parts etc and teach basics to players.. Right foot, left foot, catching, hand passing. Backs v Forwards, coaching the block.

Also put competitiveness back into the game and a younger age,, no more participation medals etc these youngsters are playing FIFA/Call of Duty and play to win with them so bring this back into underage, will drive youngsters on to put practice into there football skills and less practicing their Fortnite/gaming skills.

If we can get underage right and not have a 10 person management team who all have their own ideas and telling players different things we'll be back at ulsters top table. Also a permanent coaching officer at our big Gaelic schools would be a good option. Newry, Downpatrick and Castlewellan biggest catchment of players from clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 24, 2021, 01:51:29 PM
We thought we had a great minor team last year and against fermanagh they looked like they were holding back. Werent allowed to do what comes naturally. Just play football and sure if that takes us nowhere at least it's better than trying to play defensively and still get hammered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 25, 2021, 09:01:18 AM
  Paddy Tally having a good rant about where Down are going wrong.Nothing to do with him of course.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 25, 2021, 05:35:38 PM
Yes wobbler not a great interview
Blaming the players for not committing
As the famous Kilcoo player said why go to the county when the club training is better
The question has to be asked
Have Down improved any under tally?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 25, 2021, 08:57:30 PM
Quote from: upandwin on May 24, 2021, 10:01:24 AM
IMO the most obvious position that needs addressed is at N0.1. Several Keepers that spring to mind, not sure if anyone else was asked or not but seems to be a massive area for improvement. That being said, the current lads have had zero help with no kick out plan or movement even to give them support.

Retaining the kick outs has very little to do with the goalie if the players out the field aren't cooperating with him.

As I was always told back in the day - it takes two to make a pass.

Frequently the goalie is hung out to dry with a load of statues in the middle third of the pitch showing nothing for him to hit.


Even the art of the break ball looks like its ignored. Statistically, probably ~90% of broken ball is either straight back where it came from, or goes all the way through the crowd to where it was going anyway. Do we teach players in timing their run to hit the front or back of the pod as the ball would arrive at either? Do we fuk.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 25, 2021, 11:28:40 PM
There's so many things wrong with Down county football.

Breaking ball is the most obvious one. I can't help feeling it's what happens when players are too programmed and fearful of not making mistakes that they lose their instincts. Which is most galling for the most talented. For all Dublin's trillion advantages, they never tried to take the spark out of McCaffrey, Fenton, O'Callaghan, MacAuley, Connolly, Mannion. Nor did they try to tame the edges of McMahon, Small or Cooper. Being conditioned to within an inch is a prerequisite. Working hard off the ball is a prerequisite. Getting them to play safe and mind their own shop only? Never. There was always half a dozen men to do that around them.

But re the Kilcoo complaints, to be honest it's a valid point - but I think the optics are inside out. The reason why playing for Kilcoo is a more attractive option for their players is simple enough: there's reward almost every season, and signs of progression almost every season. And the main reason for this is because all the other clubs in the county have allowed this to happen. If a talented, competitive  26 year old from Kilcoo had genuine fear that his club championship season might end before it starts (as it does for players from Dungannon, Clonoe, Errigal, Carrickmore etc), then he'd surely be more likely to keep his options for success/glory/recognition more open. But as it stands they all know they're likely coasting into Ulster, where they can achieve serious, high level goals.

Basically, what I'm saying, is that it's the other clubs' faults (including Ballyholland) that this situation has arisen. Not Kilcoo's. We all need to stand up and be counted. Point fingers when we've done our bit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 27, 2021, 09:45:19 PM
Fiercely physical and competitive game last night between Clonduff and Burren.. Burren edged it in the end but Clonduff have some big physical powerhouses at their disposal.. This competition was to be county player free and yet McGovern and McKernan both featured for Burren.. What's that about???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on May 30, 2021, 02:31:31 PM
Down looking good so far; should be further ahead. Mooney and Kerr looking dangerous every time they get the ball
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on May 30, 2021, 03:15:54 PM
Lucky we haven't blown it; our goal has a charmed existence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 30, 2021, 03:34:15 PM
Very lucky today. For all the stick Bubba gets over his kickouts, he pulled us out of a hole there and whoever it was that took the ball off the line. Down always seem to retreat into their shell when things start going against them instead of pushing on and trying to nab a score or 2 to swing the momentum. Glad we got the win. I'd fancy our chances better against Laois rather than Cork
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 30, 2021, 03:42:52 PM
Great win today
A wins a win
Sets us up nicely with a match against an average Laois side
Credit to Bubba who I have had a go at for his kickouts but he was the hero today
Well done bubba
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 30, 2021, 04:23:28 PM
Burns was our man of the match by some distance in an absolutely crazy match. We were eight up in the third quarter and completely dominating, after Westmeath got a black card, and it should have been just a question of game management. However, the wind seemed to get stronger, the familiar gaps started to appear in our defence and a brilliant Westmeath goal gave them all the momentum. The excellent penalty save from Burns gave us some respite, but he had to make another couple of fine stops, there was another shot blocked on the line and a Westmeath forward palmed the ball on to the crossbar. At the other end, Kerr overcarried the ball when a goal seemed certain and Darren O'Hagan missed an equally good chance. Eight minutes of injury time was announced and the referee actually managed to play ten, but we just about got over the line. There were some outstanding blocks and tackles in the dying stages as well as some panicky mistakes, and a relegation playoff against Laois is probably the outcome we wanted. If we stay up, we will have done it the hard way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 30, 2021, 09:25:22 PM
Great to get a win and many thanks to Burns for that. Just papering over the cracks though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 31, 2021, 05:29:58 PM
What club is Thomas McInerney from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 31, 2021, 06:24:40 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on May 31, 2021, 05:29:58 PM
What club is Thomas McInerney from?
Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 31, 2021, 09:30:09 PM
Brilliant win on Sunday against an ultra defensive set up, Laois are very poor and we should be winning that game comfortably especially with home advantage. With Murphy and McGee injured, have we a glimmer of hope v Donegal ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 03, 2021, 05:46:44 PM
What's the story with so many games being called off due to no referee??? I know there is a big drive to recruit referees every year but are we that short that we are now not having fixtures???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on June 03, 2021, 08:06:44 PM
The game I was at last weekend there was a load of referees calling fouls, right enough none of them were on the pitch.
But apart from that there's been no real new refs in the county this past 4/5 years. The odd one or two but more leaving?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 05, 2021, 03:42:41 PM
Loooking at the recent scores in the Corn An Duin sections and a few teams getting toppled by lower league opposition.. the one club that really stands out is the Bridge... has "downs oldest club" bubble finally burst???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on June 05, 2021, 05:10:56 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on June 03, 2021, 08:06:44 PM
The game I was at last weekend there was a load of referees calling fouls, right enough none of them were on the pitch.
But apart from that there's been no real new refs in the county this past 4/5 years. The odd one or two but more leaving?
With the abuse refs receive, who would want to be a GAA ref? Managers make mistakes, players miss open goals, but it's easier to blame the ref.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 10, 2021, 09:19:11 PM
Just wondering why our Down social media channels of twitter and facebook are solely County based? We must have the worst PRO's in Ireland over the last few years who cannot retweet or post any club activity, every other county can do this apart from us apparently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 12, 2021, 02:25:35 PM
Any team news for tonight's game. Did the 500 spectators get selected or how did the tickets get sorted? 12 to every club?
I dont know how it will go but Down have struggled against Laois over last number of years. They have had height in Kingston that Down always struggle with and begley will be a bonus to them if fit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 12, 2021, 04:21:03 PM
All I know is Gerard Mcgovern is full back and Patrick Murdock is left corner back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 12, 2021, 09:16:26 PM
Good win today. I didnt see it but another year in div 2 gives something to build on. Looking at div 2 if it had been played as normal I wouldve looked at Laois and westmeath as games to win to keep us up.  Cant see is troubling Donegal but sure just go for it nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on June 12, 2021, 10:21:08 PM
A good finish to our league campaign and we will be dining at the number 2 table for another year.
Tally managed the game well and while the kick out strategy is far from perfect, it has come on leaps and bounds, with Rory Burns born again to claim a second successive motm performance.
Full back line was strong, only Darren impressed in HB line and Ryan McAvoy brought plenty to the mf sector when he came on apart from his black card and mad cross field pass to Donie Kingston.
Liam Kerr was pick of the forward line despite 1.9 from Barry O'Hagan while Cory Quinn didn't do a lot but everything was quality.  He has the balance and skills of Mark Poland but more end product.  The usual mixture of madness and brilliance from Mooney while all subs did well.
We probably won't get close to Donegal but I'm certain we will put on a good show with pride in the Jersey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 12, 2021, 10:53:11 PM
That was a decent performance from Down in hugely pressurised circumstances so full credit to the squad and management. We managed to give away two poor goals, but Laois effectively handed two back to us, and Down were good value for the win in the end. We still could have lost, if it had not been for three brilliant saves from Burns, while Kerr was outstanding and Barry O'Hagan was excellent from both frees and open play. Our second goal was pretty bizarre, with Mooney making a mess of an attempt to fist a point and the Laois keeper somehow fumbling the ball into the net. We have nothing to lose against Donegal, who are likely to be at a different level, but today was a day when the only thing that mattered was the result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 13, 2021, 12:27:34 AM
Quote from: Lotto on June 10, 2021, 09:19:11 PM
Just wondering why our Down social media channels of twitter and facebook are solely County based? We must have the worst PRO's in Ireland over the last few years who cannot retweet or post any club activity, every other county can do this apart from us apparently.

Almost every single club championship game Junior to Senior is covered at adult level and has been the last few years. Your comments are wide of the mark. Last year during the league there was actually a live score show on social media covering the club matches that no one could attend. The coverage of club football has increased dramatically over the last number of years not to mention the live streaming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 13, 2021, 12:49:39 AM
Watched match on GAAGO thought it was a more than decent performance. Liam kerr and Barry OHagan always carried a threat up front, Cory Quinn was decent in flashes as well. Rory Burns was probably motm with a couple of brilliant saves. If only we could unearth a real top quality midfielder from somewhere. Division 2 status secured which was vital for the development of this team, lots of new players being introduced.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on June 13, 2021, 12:02:37 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 13, 2021, 12:27:34 AM
Quote from: Lotto on June 10, 2021, 09:19:11 PM
Just wondering why our Down social media channels of twitter and facebook are solely County based? We must have the worst PRO's in Ireland over the last few years who cannot retweet or post any club activity, every other county can do this apart from us apparently.

Almost every single club championship game Junior to Senior is covered at adult level and has been the last few years. Your comments are wide of the mark. Last year during the league there was actually a live score show on social media covering the club matches that no one could attend. The coverage of club football has increased dramatically over the last number of years not to mention the live streaming.

Don't mind him supersub, he's a moron, total wum who doesn't contribute anything positive at all. Yesterday was a much improved performance and a big result! I think we have a chance v Donegal especially in Newry with our own supporters giving the team a lift. Look at Cavan, Ulster champions but now in division 4, it was important we didn't drop to 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 13, 2021, 04:27:49 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on June 13, 2021, 12:02:37 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 13, 2021, 12:27:34 AM
Quote from: Lotto on June 10, 2021, 09:19:11 PM
Just wondering why our Down social media channels of twitter and facebook are solely County based? We must have the worst PRO's in Ireland over the last few years who cannot retweet or post any club activity, every other county can do this apart from us apparently.

Almost every single club championship game Junior to Senior is covered at adult level and has been the last few years. Your comments are wide of the mark. Last year during the league there was actually a live score show on social media covering the club matches that no one could attend. The coverage of club football has increased dramatically over the last number of years not to mention the live streaming.

Don't mind him supersub, he's a moron, total wum who doesn't contribute anything positive at all. Yesterday was a much improved performance and a big result! I think we have a chance v Donegal especially in Newry with our own supporters giving the team a lift. Look at Cavan, Ulster champions but now in division 4, it was important we didn't drop to 3.

Thank you for confirming my point supersub, nothing at all this year on the club front on our social media just county yet you tell me how wonderful things were last year!

As for a win yesterday being a positive, I have to disagree. It is just papering over the cracks but it wont be Tally's problem for much longer which really is a positive. Dropping to Division 3 would have given us a great opportunity to build again with a new manager, now we are in a position where we could get relegated next year and end up in the Tailteann Cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 13, 2021, 05:42:41 PM
A very positive performance yesterday I thought with some outstanding individual performances.. Liam Kerr, Darren and Barry OHagan, Mooney and Quinn in flashes added to by Burns, Patrick murdock and Daniel Guinness. It was vital we stayed in division two for the development of this group long term and hopefully with another few additions next season we can finish more comfortable in the division.
Mayo, Kildare gone up and Laois, Westmeath gone down and with Derry/Offaly promoted and Roscommon (so far) relegated it makes for an interesting division next season..
Championship I just don't see us at the races to be honest. Murphy, McFadden, McHugh, Langan, Gallagher, etc etc pose a serious physical and football threat.. but here's hoping...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 13, 2021, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: Lotto on June 13, 2021, 04:27:49 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on June 13, 2021, 12:02:37 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 13, 2021, 12:27:34 AM
Quote from: Lotto on June 10, 2021, 09:19:11 PM
Just wondering why our Down social media channels of twitter and facebook are solely County based? We must have the worst PRO's in Ireland over the last few years who cannot retweet or post any club activity, every other county can do this apart from us apparently.

Almost every single club championship game Junior to Senior is covered at adult level and has been the last few years. Your comments are wide of the mark. Last year during the league there was actually a live score show on social media covering the club matches that no one could attend. The coverage of club football has increased dramatically over the last number of years not to mention the live streaming.

Don't mind him supersub, he's a moron, total wum who doesn't contribute anything positive at all. Yesterday was a much improved performance and a big result! I think we have a chance v Donegal especially in Newry with our own supporters giving the team a lift. Look at Cavan, Ulster champions but now in division 4, it was important we didn't drop to 3.

Thank you for confirming my point supersub, nothing at all this year on the club front on our social media just county yet you tell me how wonderful things were last year!

As for a win yesterday being a positive, I have to disagree. It is just papering over the cracks but it wont be Tally's problem for much longer which really is a positive. Dropping to Division 3 would have given us a great opportunity to build again with a new manager, now we are in a position where we could get relegated next year and end up in the Tailteann Cup.

Where did it say anything in your post about this year? It was a general, ignorant sweeping statement about County social media. In fact the only reference to a timescale was 'the last few years' which is what I was referring to. I dare say when the leagues are up and running and certainly in championship season you'll get all the coverage you want on club games. However I suspect then there'll be something else to yap about. I'd also say it wouldn't be too hard to find an email address or indeed a phone number for the county PRO, Secretary or Chairman if you want to volunteer your own services to bridge the gap you see at the present minute. Have a fabulous evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 14, 2021, 09:02:39 AM
It really doesn't sit well with me when we as a county after spending thousands and thousands of pounds on a management team that was supposed to take us to the next level our county and supporters are celebrating a relegation win as if it's a winning formula
As it turned out Meath actually were not much good after all. And Westmeath took a tanking
Now I'm not suggesting that the players won't be relieved but we were told this manager would take us to the next level.
The celebrating posts on social media are worrying
Not to long ago we were in division 1 and comfortable in it for a while
All that is wrong with this county
Imagine the greats of the 90s celebrating that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 14, 2021, 09:28:04 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 14, 2021, 09:02:39 AM
It really doesn't sit well with me when we as a county after spending thousands and thousands of pounds on a management team that was supposed to take us to the next level our county and supporters are celebrating a relegation win as if it's a winning formula
As it turned out Meath actually were not much good after all. And Westmeath took a tanking
Now I'm not suggesting that the players won't be relieved but we were told this manager would take us to the next level.
The celebrating posts on social media are worrying
Not to long ago we were in division 1 and comfortable in it for a while
All that is wrong with this county
Imagine the greats of the 90s celebrating that
I'm curious as to who you would suggest we get in as a manager if Tally goes. There was a committee set up to get a manager last time. Danny Hughes et al . I'm not saying Tally will improve these guys. They dont look to have a kickout strategy for one but are we not at our level? Middle of the road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 14, 2021, 09:52:55 AM
That is the thing. We have not improved one bit in 3 years.
Anyone who says that this team has improved in 3 years are not telling the truth
The kickout strategy is one
Forward play looks like it's off the cuff and no pattern to it from one game to the next
My gripe with it is the colossal amount of money being spent on a sub standard mananemgt team when we could get one within Down a margin of the cost

Mulholland
McAleenan
Poacher
Lynch
Deegan
McCartan

All above are young and have been about but it will be a no because they never managed at this level
Time for us to drop that also
We have had all that before and failed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 14, 2021, 05:50:49 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 14, 2021, 09:52:55 AM
That is the thing. We have not improved one bit in 3 years.
Anyone who says that this team has improved in 3 years are not telling the truth
The kickout strategy is one
Forward play looks like it's off the cuff and no pattern to it from one game to the next
My gripe with it is the colossal amount of money being spent on a sub standard mananemgt team when we could get one within Down a margin of the cost

Mulholland
McAleenan
Poacher
Lynch
Deegan
McCartan

All above are young and have been about but it will be a no because they never managed at this level
Time for us to drop that also
We have had all that before and failed

A margin of the cost?? Are you serious??? Two of these mentioned above have been with my club - one currently there - and another offered his services when we had our last manager.. none of these people are cheap I can promise you that.. Apart from McCartan - who else in ur list has a right to be touted as an intercounty manager??? If Tally does step down or is pushed - we need an outsider as there is simply no one within our county capable (maybe wee James at a push) of taking us to the "next level"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 14, 2021, 11:02:37 PM
Smurfy's bitter disappointment that Down were not relegated to D3 must have affected this memory when he said we were comfortable when we were in D1 `not too long ago.'
We have only been in D1 for one season out of the last eight, back in 2016, when we managed to lose all seven of our games.
Tally inherited a squad which had just been relegated to D3, and has since managed to get us back to D2 and then consolidate our position there for another year.
The season before he came in, we were demolished by Donegal in the USC, even though we had an extra man for practically the entire match.
Our USC record since then is that we lost to Armagh by a point after extra time in 2019, and then beat Fermanagh before losing to Cavan by a point last year.
We have a long way to go, and there have been plenty of setbacks along the way, but the suggestion that `we have not improved one bit' since the 2018 collapse against Donegal is ludicrous.
The reality is that division two is our optimum level at the moment. We have a decent group of committed young players who are capable of further progress next year, but we are not close to being among the top ten sides in the country, regardless of who is in charge, and criticising the team for failing to get to the top division makes no sense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 14, 2021, 11:21:37 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 14, 2021, 09:52:55 AM
That is the thing. We have not improved one bit in 3 years.
Anyone who says that this team has improved in 3 years are not telling the truth
The kickout strategy is one
Forward play looks like it's off the cuff and no pattern to it from one game to the next
My gripe with it is the colossal amount of money being spent on a sub standard mananemgt team when we could get one within Down a margin of the cost

Mulholland
McAleenan
Poacher
Lynch
Deegan
McCartan

All above are young and have been about but it will be a no because they never managed at this level
Time for us to drop that also
We have had all that before and failed
Deegan didnt do much with the u21s/u20s. Our Minors last year were supposed favourites for the all ireland , under poacher and wee james they looked like 15 lads that never played together.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 17, 2021, 07:23:39 PM
Conor Deegan has always believed he will be the next Down manager, even before Tally was appointed never mind for next year. Seriously, what planet does this man live on? His years with the 21's were shocking, like Tally with no progress at all never mind that he couldn't get on with Walsh his No.2 as they hardly spoke. We will be replacing incompetence with even more incompetence putting him in.

I would go back to wee James, any other Down names are laughable. Minors are totally different than grown men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 17, 2021, 08:24:46 PM
Any word when league fixtures are being released or when the club championship draw is being done???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 24, 2021, 10:42:34 AM
Breaking news... Down play Donegal in the prelim. round of the USFC in Newry at 1pm on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on June 24, 2021, 12:07:40 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 24, 2021, 10:42:34 AM
Breaking news... Down play Donegal in the prelim. round of the USFC in Newry at 1pm on Sunday.

Will Senior club football resume the following week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 24, 2021, 12:58:48 PM
Very quiet build up to the championship. Let's face it do Down have any hope? I dont think so. A good performance is all we can hope for. Declan Bonner thinks Murphy will be back for sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 24, 2021, 06:32:21 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 24, 2021, 12:58:48 PM
Very quiet build up to the championship. Let's face it do Down have any hope? I dont think so. A good performance is all we can hope for. Declan Bonner thinks Murphy will be back for sunday.

It's really hard to hope for anything else than a performance to keep the score respectable . Good will not beat Donegal though, it's gonna take something we haven't seen consistently in the Tally era to get us through this one. I hope Paddy has a plan now, especially on kickouts, that will make us competitive. I would like to be positive, for a change, but I just can't see anything other than a Donegal win. I listened to Darren O'Hagan on the radio this morning, someone I have serious time for, but he spoke like Down had already thrown in the towel. I hope not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on June 26, 2021, 06:19:50 AM
Down always have hope,  yes Donegal are a better side than us but we can beat them. If things click we are hard to stop,  the big issue is can we win enough possession,  let's hope so.  Good luck to the team tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on June 26, 2021, 04:20:26 PM
Bookies giving a 7 pt margin, which might be worth taking; depends on Murphy not starting, or not being fully fit, Donegal being over-confident, and if Down can re-create last years 1st half performance vs Cavan. Maybe I'm grasping at straws
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 26, 2021, 04:58:15 PM
Big surprise to see Murdoch on the bench tomorrow, as he would have been regarded as an almost certain starter if fit. However, Tally deserves credit for a bold move in giving championship debuts to the Liatroim pair of McCrickard and Middleton. They will bring the physical presence we need to be competitive, although the possibility of a couple of late switches can never be ruled out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 27, 2021, 09:46:00 AM
Good luck to all the Down players and management today
We can do this
Let's give the supporters the boost we need
What a day for a match
Come on Down
Come on
Ulster football is back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 27, 2021, 02:30:02 PM
Dont think we expected anything else than this. Few great goal chances. Donegal comfortable though. Is there any point discussing the kickouts. Same every year. I dont expect Tally will be there next year. Massive turnover of footballers doesnt help. But a gameplan and kickout strategy might help
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: on the sideline on June 27, 2021, 02:37:44 PM
Where are the Johnston's, O'Hare and Harrison?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 27, 2021, 02:49:08 PM
Players need to be consulted on new management, no disrespect to those players out there today but we need to get the best players in the County back involved. Need to know why there are so many opt outs and what will it take to get them back. Do they oppose a regimented structure without the freedoms to express themselves? We need to appoint someone who will get the best out of the players rather than shoehorn them into something that they are not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on June 27, 2021, 03:05:02 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on June 27, 2021, 02:37:44 PM
Where are the Johnston's, O'Hare and Harrison?
Jerome, Donal and Harrison all injured and off the panel. Ryan didn't commit this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on June 27, 2021, 03:07:41 PM
Sometimes its the hope that kills you. The one thing I dont get is how a team that is known for playing very defensive football be so bad at it. You should not be conceding 2-25 in a game playing 13 men behind the ball. Donegal men taking on shots from inside the scoring zone unopposed is criminal if this is the style of play that you want to play. Can't see Tally surviving this. Will see how the U20s get on this year before we can decide if that management is ready to step up to the top job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 27, 2021, 03:54:17 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on June 27, 2021, 03:05:02 PM
Quote from: on the sideline on June 27, 2021, 02:37:44 PM
Where are the Johnston's, O'Hare and Harrison?
Jerome, Donal and Harrison all injured and off the panel. Ryan didn't commit this year

Can't be that bad then when they can still play for their clubs though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on June 27, 2021, 04:18:03 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 27, 2021, 02:49:08 PM
Players need to be consulted on new management, no disrespect to those players out there today but we need to get the best players in the County back involved. Need to know why there are so many opt outs and what will it take to get them back. Do they oppose a regimented structure without the freedoms to express themselves? We need to appoint someone who will get the best out of the players rather than shoehorn them into something that they are not.

Which players are you going to consult on management. The ones there that you don't rate or every adult player in the county. Unworkable way of appointing a management set up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 27, 2021, 04:20:10 PM
Why would you consult the players when we don't know how many will be involved
Why even ask the players
By tally's interview he is going no where
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on June 27, 2021, 05:14:18 PM
Quote from: Godsown on June 27, 2021, 04:18:03 PM
Quote from: Hedgehunter on June 27, 2021, 02:49:08 PM
Players need to be consulted on new management, no disrespect to those players out there today but we need to get the best players in the County back involved. Need to know why there are so many opt outs and what will it take to get them back. Do they oppose a regimented structure without the freedoms to express themselves? We need to appoint someone who will get the best out of the players rather than shoehorn them into something that they are not.

Which players are you going to consult on management. The ones there that you don't rate or every adult player in the county. Unworkable way of appointing a management set up

I'm not saying the players will appoint the management. I'm saying they need to be consulted. We need to understand why so many walk away and so many refuse to commit or make themselves available and take these learnings and come up with a plan that suits.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 27, 2021, 05:39:25 PM
Consult the players, catch yourselves on. We have too many pampered pooches in Down currently without this. Kevin Mc Kernan had a major influence on getting our current disaster of a management in place and we can see how that worked out.

Tally's three year and £100,000 contract negotiated by Danny Hughes who helped raise the funds for him is at an end I believe. That performance today sums up how far we have declined recently. Eamon Burns was ridiculed by so many but getting to an Ulster Final and great days on the way just shows us what we are missing. We are so far off pace of the way football is currently and having such a manager who can't see that is holding us back. Today, so many of his players let him and us down. What have they been doing in training for months now when we are so defensively set up but yet so open at the same time. No movement on our own kickouts, hanging our keeper out to dry like many days is just scandalous and not pushing up on Donegal's kickouts today was pathetic. We have been an embarrassment for 3 years now, bye Paddy.

Conor Deegan seems to think he should be the next manager. Talk about going from to dumb to dumber.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on June 27, 2021, 08:56:59 PM
Tally comes across as quite arrogant in his interviews. Can see why a lot of players have walked away. Conceding 2.25 while playing defensive football is just embarrassing. Massive gulf in class and donegal just so well conditioned and slicker all over the park. Realistically it what most people expected today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 27, 2021, 09:10:13 PM
That was like a junior/intermediate team playing a senior team in the championship, the difference in 2 teams was night and day. Donegal were fitter, stronger, had a game plan, had a kick out strategy and could kick points from distance. Apart from Barry OHagan who was superb and Liam kerr in flashes, Down had nobody who could carry the fight.
I'm not knocking the players because I know the commitment they give but surely Down football is better than that. To play a defensive brand of football and still concede 2-25 leaves serious question marks over the management continuing into next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 27, 2021, 10:00:51 PM
The lack of a winning mentality is why the brannigans and now the Johnstone's don't play for Down
I woukdnt be a fan of Tally but only so much he can do
Imagine Kilcoo getting hammered out the gate and a player writing on social media "TIGHT MATCH TODAY"
Them sort of players should be no where near Down squads
Undervalues the whole thing that
That sort of crap annoys the hell out of me
No doubt I will get criticised here for picking on players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 28, 2021, 08:55:24 AM
Poor performance by Down yesterday, I fear for us in Div 2 next year, but it's the here and now we have to deal.To suggest the players should be consulted is laughable, next you will have letters hand delivered pleading for players to play.
The involvement of certain senior players getting Tally appointed needs looked at so it never happens again, Paddy Tally might be a fine coach but county manager he is not, why he sets up so defensive beggars belief, we can't defend , we have some quality forwards but to have them track back and then expect them to get forward and score is a very big ask.
Who would replace PT is the question but my preference is the one we passed over, Banty, proved he can get a county who were in the doldrums to one who were and still are very competitive, forget about the 91 and 94 teams , I hope PT recognises he isn't up to the job and any new manager develops us into a formidable attacking unit and not one remembered as a failed defensive unit with one or two good forwards.
What would yesterday's score had been if OHagan had been absent and about yesterday , why in blue blazes was Kerr hauled ashore and we can't trust McGovern , fine player but bad disciplinary record.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 28, 2021, 09:52:39 AM
Was anyone really shocked at yesterday's scoreline? A lot of our players never performed and the shooting boots were definitely off but sometimes that happens in football. Who was the player writing stuff on social media?
There are too many players / former players who talk too much about setups etc when they should look at their own performance. This county needs to unite and whoever has the job need year has a massive job on their hands. we are not producing the same calibre of players and there is a lot of good work going on in clubs. Are schools an issue with some schools doing nothing to promote Gaelic games?

Onto the u20s now and good luck to the squad, there seems to be a good squad in place with many tipping this side for ulster glory.

On the club scene, does anyone know how the league will be sorted? Will they go ahead as normal if the u20s are still in the competition? I think we need to give Conor and his team all the time and no complications to go far and to try and get some silverware to the county. An u20 title would be a huge boost to us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 28, 2021, 10:12:55 AM
Really?

If we were to postpone senior club leagues for an underage inter-county competition, we might as well go back in time thirty years.

I don't give a damn how fancied they are. They're 19 year old lads, and doubling up on club and county commitments should be a breeze for them.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 28, 2021, 10:18:15 AM
I agree with you totally that leagues will go ahead as planned but if Down is still in the competition then I do not think they should be playing for their respective clubs in the league. This will cause problems with clubs I would imagine?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 28, 2021, 11:50:41 AM
So now you want the clubs leagues stopped to facilitate the under 20s?
Club players are bound to be pretty pissed off at this stage
When do the leagues start?
Why not start them this week?
What's the hold up now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 28, 2021, 12:19:39 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 28, 2021, 11:50:41 AM
So now you want the club's leagues stopped to facilitate the under 20s?
Club players are bound to be pretty pissed off at this stage
When do the leagues start?
Why not start them this week?
What's the hold up now

When did I once say that I wanted the leagues stopped. I am just stating that it would not be fair on clubs playing in leagues without their u20 players providing they go on a run. Has anyone a breakdown of the squad and their clubs?
The leagues cannot be started this week as warm-up competitions need to be finished, I can not wait to see the final stages of the Corn an Duin plate. Kilcoo look to be in good nick but Burren and Warrenpoint under new management seems to be motoring a long rightly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 28, 2021, 12:32:05 PM
They shouldn't have to play without their u20s.

If they're as good as we hope, they'll be playing 5 weeks out of 6 between 9 July and 15 August. That's 6 weeks of prime football season. It's just not feasible to postpone our adult leagues indefinitely, for under-age football. And if county board relents and stars the club fixtures on those weekends, there'll be uproar.

The most sensible way out is to play full club fixtures in tandem. That might reduce Laverty and co's preparation time, but f**k me they've been prepping for an awful long time already. There's surely little room left in their heads for motivation and instruction at this point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 28, 2021, 12:38:56 PM
Agree with Wobbler we must play on regardless
This team is touted as All Ireland winners so what hope do we have if you now tell club players that the leagues won't start until August 20th?
Where does that leave club football in Down?
It may ruin it if that's the case
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 28, 2021, 01:00:39 PM
Always remember that Ambrose Rodgers got his injury before the all Ireland in a club championship game which could have been avoided. In a normal season(2 rounds of fixtures), having a few starred fixtures would not have been that detrimental but as the league is only one round and 2up2down then I can see a headache for county board officials if the u20s can get a decent run. The leagues are needed soon as the warm-up competition has not captured the imagination but there could be a few tasty clashes coming up. BTW would you think it was fair asking players to play on a Friday night and then another game on a Sunday, surely this would be detrimental to our young footballers who we need to get through to senior level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 28, 2021, 01:41:00 PM
You're fairly banging the player welfare drum there.

Ambrose has spent that long out with that many different injuries that I suspect if you wrapped him up in cotton wool, he'd get a reaction to the material.

More to the point. If an underage competition is going to have a significant impact on availability for an adult competition, then the underage tournament is the problem, and it should be removed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 28, 2021, 01:41:42 PM
No i dont think it would be unfair to play on a friday and then on a sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 28, 2021, 02:30:14 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 28, 2021, 01:41:00 PM
You're fairly banging the player welfare drum there.

Ambrose has spent that long out with that many different injuries that I suspect if you wrapped him up in cotton wool, he'd get a reaction to the material.

More to the point. If an underage competition is going to have a significant impact on availability for an adult competition, then the underage tournament is the problem, and it should be removed.

It's not about player welfare, I am trying to think of what could potentially happen down the road. Down could get beaten next Friday and there would be no issues.
But put it this way Down is in an Ulster final on the Sunday V Tyrone. Ballyholland plays Burren in the league on Friday night. Would county management want Danny Magill v John McGovern on Friday night and play for Down on a Sunday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 28, 2021, 02:53:55 PM
Honestly, when an u20 cup is stuck in the middle of peak club season, then any manager who expects full reign over his players has lost the plot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 28, 2021, 03:16:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 28, 2021, 12:19:39 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 28, 2021, 11:50:41 AM
So now you want the club's leagues stopped to facilitate the under 20s?
Club players are bound to be pretty pissed off at this stage
When do the leagues start?
Why not start them this week?
What's the hold up now

When did I once say that I wanted the leagues stopped. I am just stating that it would not be fair on clubs playing in leagues without their u20 players providing they go on a run. Has anyone a breakdown of the squad and their clubs?
The leagues cannot be started this week as warm-up competitions need to be finished, I can not wait to see the final stages of the Corn an Duin plate. Kilcoo look to be in good nick but Burren and Warrenpoint under new management seems to be motoring a long rightly
Provided Kilcoo win their section, Kilcoo v Burren should be a good match to watch. Fancy the Island to beat CPN.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 28, 2021, 03:39:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 28, 2021, 02:53:55 PM
Honestly, when an u20 cup is stuck in the middle of peak club season, then any manager who expects full reign over his players has lost the plot.

u20s have yet to play a game for their clubs this season. The leagues will be exciting as well but I expect a few fireworks in the forthcoming weeks ahead. If u20 players are starred then it would be unfair to play the 2up2down after one round of fixtures. Though Conor is a club player so he should understand that clubs will need their full set of players as it will be close to the championship as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on June 28, 2021, 09:13:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 28, 2021, 03:39:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 28, 2021, 02:53:55 PM
Honestly, when an u20 cup is stuck in the middle of peak club season, then any manager who expects full reign over his players has lost the plot.

u20s have yet to play a game for their clubs this season. The leagues will be exciting as well but I expect a few fireworks in the forthcoming weeks ahead. If u20 players are starred then it would be unfair to play the 2up2down after one round of fixtures. Though Conor is a club player so he should understand that clubs will need their full set of players as it will be close to the championship as well.

Alot of talk about nothing let the U20's go win the match first if they are good enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Egans left boot on June 28, 2021, 11:20:49 PM
From a distance tally never suitedDown he has to go.Maybe Moran and Gilligan?? But listen simple when u know players from afar Danny savage genius with his feet gets 10 minutes and Kevin mc kernan comes on with 13 to go and is finished!! Management
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 29, 2021, 10:56:23 AM
There are certainly no massives names available if Tally does step away. The Moran/Gilligan setup would be a good fit and they would get the buy-in from all the Kilcoo players as some fell out/threw the dummy out with Paddy. Apart from the Johnstones, Ward and Darryl Brannigan is there anyone who was not in Newry on Sunday? We are currently a bit off division one but if the group of players can stick together with a sprinkling of youth then we should start to make progress in the next few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 30, 2021, 12:11:04 AM
So there we have it
No club league until the Down under 20s exit the championship
Leagues in Down potentially not starting until August 18th
What a mess the fixtures department have made of this
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 30, 2021, 09:04:30 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 30, 2021, 12:11:04 AM
So there we have it
No club league until the Down under 20s exit the championship
Leagues in Down potentially not starting until August 18th
What a mess the fixtures department have made of this

Smurfy are you serious about this??Games postponed because of a Mickey Mouse cup. No wonder we are where we are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 30, 2021, 12:29:59 PM
Yes leagues to be put on hold until under 20s are out
Potentially 18th August if what many predict that they could go all the way
It's not often I would criticise the Down fixtures committee as they do a great job but they have clearly made a big mistake not playing an 18 game home and away league.
Lookin now 4 games would have been starred thats not much considering other years County players could miss up to 7/8 matches
All other leagues in ulster are underway
Who would have thought that when things returned at the start of April that club players wouldn't kick a league ball until August
No wonder the standard on Down is so poor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 30, 2021, 01:26:42 PM
That's disappointing, I am sure some sort of agreement could be sorted. Club players are finding it hard to get a focus and I can understand why. There is no plan in place. Will the leagues be still promotion and relegation, Smurfy? That will be hard to push in with the championship on the horizon which is the golden goose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on June 30, 2021, 09:49:15 PM
There had been a date of 23rd July initially given for the start of club leagues. Does this later date apply to all 4 divisions? And has it been confirmed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 30, 2021, 10:43:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 30, 2021, 12:29:59 PM
Yes leagues to be put on hold until under 20s are out
Potentially 18th August if what many predict that they could go all the way
It's not often I would criticise the Down fixtures committee as they do a great job but they have clearly made a big mistake not playing an 18 game home and away league.
Lookin now 4 games would have been starred thats not much considering other years County players could miss up to 7/8 matches
All other leagues in ulster are underway
Who would have thought that when things returned at the start of April that club players wouldn't kick a league ball until August
No wonder the standard on Down is so poor
When we got to an all ireland semi in 2010 some bright spark thought it a good idea to get a round of championship in b4 SF, cost us Ambrose. Now they hold up games for U20s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 30, 2021, 11:06:54 PM
The more you read that the worse it seems
No reason why plans could not have been in place to start the leagues this Friday
We are holding up leagues in Down for our under 20s
Jesus how has this happened?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 01, 2021, 12:09:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 30, 2021, 11:06:54 PM
The more you read that the worse it seems
No reason why plans could not have been in place to start the leagues this Friday
We are holding up leagues in Down for our under 20s
Jesus how has this happened?

I think you are scare-mongering smurfy. Is there any substance to these rumours.

The Leagues could not start this week as the semi-finals of warm up competition are due to take place. The Point would be favourites to progress to the final. Kilcoo welcome Burren which should be a mouth-watering affair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 01, 2021, 04:09:18 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 30, 2021, 12:11:04 AM
So there we have it
No club league until the Down under 20s exit the championship
Leagues in Down potentially not starting until August 18th
What a mess the fixtures department have made of this

Leagues start on 23 July - the above is load of crap..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on July 01, 2021, 05:05:31 PM
What is all this spouting untruths about? Leagues start 23 July, show some respect for the U20's. After last week a little bit of success would be very welcome at county level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 01, 2021, 05:59:30 PM
How can you start the league on July 23rd when it's the night of the ulster under 20 final and by all accounts it would be a major surprise if Down did not feature in it
Play without them? Is that what you are saying johny?
Hardly scaremongering. 3 weeks and not a fixture out
Does that not tell you something
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Akinfenwa on July 01, 2021, 07:38:39 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 01, 2021, 05:59:30 PM
Hardly scaremongering. 3 weeks and not a fixture out
Does that not tell you something

I don't fully understand. Could you please clarify if you've received this information from a legitimate source or just making unsubstantiated claims based solely on the fact the league fixtures have not been made available yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on July 01, 2021, 09:33:23 PM
The fixtures are out, and the league starts on the 23rd as previously planned. No call for all this negative nonsense based on some sort of rumour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 01, 2021, 10:10:52 PM
Round one 23rd July 2021

Clonduff v carryduff
Kilcoo v Bryansford
Mayobridge v Ballyholland
CPN v Burren
Loughinisland v Rostrevor

Some games hard to call there......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on July 02, 2021, 11:11:41 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 01, 2021, 05:59:30 PM
How can you start the league on July 23rd when it's the night of the ulster under 20 final and by all accounts it would be a major surprise if Down did not feature in it
Play without them? Is that what you are saying johny?
Hardly scaremongering. 3 weeks and not a fixture out
Does that not tell you something

Spoofer123 strikes again  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 02, 2021, 12:29:53 PM
Smurfy must be worried about meeting the mighty Burren in the first game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on July 02, 2021, 10:05:30 PM
CPN beat L'island 1.12 to 1.11. L'island must've hit 20 wides. Who won other semi ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 03, 2021, 01:27:56 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on July 02, 2021, 10:05:30 PM
CPN beat L'island 1.12 to 1.11. L'island must've hit 20 wides. Who won other semi ?

Kilcoo beat Burren 1.10 to 1.09. Usual fare from Burren v the magpies.. that lad Oran Murdock is worth keeping an eye on - how he is not a certain starter for the county U20s is beyond me.
So it's Kilcoo v CPN in final - another year - nothing changes!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on July 04, 2021, 07:22:23 PM
The greatest coach in Ireland never won a game this year, oh my what a big surprise. His outdated methods which we in Down are so familiar with have been found out again. Fools will flock to his 'innovative' coaching days, perhaps he should be a spectator and take notes in future. Where to go now as his sideline antics and engineering a cute move away from Bryansford means no one in Down would touch him? Little sympathy but there are plenty of fools out there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on July 05, 2021, 11:13:22 PM
Was at the Rostrevor/Bryansford game tonight. Bryansford played 15 men behind the ball and didn't contest kickouts until with a few minutes left, and 4 pts behind, they decided to move up the field. They scored 4 pts in that short time to bring the game to extra time.
Their tactics were bewildering; it's not like they were playing Brazil....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 06, 2021, 08:46:48 AM
By all accounts, Burren gave Kilcoo their fill of it on Friday. Were both teams at full strength. Can anyone tell if Sunday's final is being streamed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 06, 2021, 09:01:24 AM
Early season trophy up for grabs Sunday evening in Newry
I think this may attract a good crowd
We have had different players in and out of the team in our first 6 games. We are starting to get more lads back so the final may be a tasty affair
Looking forward to the game
Was at the Rostrevor match last night. Bryansford kicked a few late scores to make the scoreboard look better. They play a very negative brand of football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 06, 2021, 10:11:05 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 06, 2021, 09:01:24 AM
Early season trophy up for grabs Sunday evening in Newry
I think this may attract a good crowd
We have had different players in and out of the team in our first 6 games. We are starting to get more lads back so the final may be a tasty affair
Looking forward to the game
Was at the Rostrevor match last night. Bryansford kicked a few late scores to make the scoreboard look better. They play a very negative brand of football

I think it's a bigger game for yous than Kilcoo, If the Point shit the nest again then it will be a case of what's another year. If the Point can get a win then it might put some doubt in Kilcoos head for the season ahead. Though I do not believe Choc and Laverty have featured yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on July 06, 2021, 02:26:34 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 06, 2021, 09:01:24 AM
Early season trophy up for grabs Sunday evening in Newry
I think this may attract a good crowd
We have had different players in and out of the team in our first 6 games. We are starting to get more lads back so the final may be a tasty affair
Looking forward to the game
Was at the Rostrevor match last night. Bryansford kicked a few late scores to make the scoreboard look better. They play a very negative brand of football
Was at the loughinisland game and tbh the point we're missing a lot of players no John Boyle no Magee's no mc cartans  and r mc aleenan. Some of the lads replacing them struggled so I would be fearful for CPN if the same team lines out against Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 06, 2021, 04:14:36 PM
I expect Kilcoo to win but it won't be easy, their reserves and premier reserves also look to be on target to win their respective leagues again. They seem to have a strong core of adult footballers who are committed to the club, great to see.

Sad news about Charlie Keown (former county Chair) who passed away, may he rest in peace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on July 08, 2021, 09:44:11 PM
Tally's gone, who next?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 08, 2021, 10:00:37 PM
Quote from: Targetman on July 08, 2021, 09:44:11 PM
Tally's gone, who next?

Wow - didn't see this coming so quickly...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 08, 2021, 11:45:57 PM
Quote from: Targetman on July 08, 2021, 09:44:11 PM
Tally's gone, who next?
not a surprise. Hopefully whoever comes in can unite the county and get the best players back in the jersey.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 09, 2021, 07:36:07 AM
Tally did OK, nothing better, nothing worse.
There are some people who blame him for the decision to substitute Paul McComiskey which probably cost us an All Ireland.  That's a bit unfair as ultimately the manager makes decisions.  That's why he has to take responsibility for what was an embarrassing performance against Donegal following an equally embarrassing collapse against Cavan.  However he did get a limited group of players to adopt an effective style and deserves credit for getting us into Division 2 and keeping us there. So I thank him and his management team.
It's a big challenge to find a successor , probably easier to say who should not get it. A number of prominent names spring to mind but none of the people being mentioned ( apart from Conor Laverty, Jim McGuinness or Mickey Harte) should even be considered let alone appointed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 09, 2021, 09:30:27 AM
On the management front, we need someone who will unite the county again. But some of the so-called players need to take a hard look at themselves. The commitment levels of other counties are way ahead of what we have. We always have someone else to blame whether it be management, county board, the man who makes the grub, or the cleaner in the dressing rooms.  Boys think that it's a divine right to play for Down and to refuse a Down jersey is an insult to all the great men who played before you. I wish the new management team that comes in the best of luck whoever they are and let's get Down back to winning ways again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on July 09, 2021, 10:36:31 AM
Back to the 91-94 team we go..... Bottom line is, we dont have the players.. Lets take midfield for example....

Poland, Flynn, McEvoy, Mooney. Not 1 of them is of intercounty MF standard.

Antrim have big McKeever
Fermanagh have Jones & Donnelly
Derry have Glass

Who are all these mystical players we seemingly cant get onto the panel? And dont start this Kilcoo BS again...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 09, 2021, 11:51:20 AM
well the 3 Johnstons, Connaire Harrison, Pat Havern, Sean Dornan, Dabs Brannigan and Johny Parr are some that quickly spring to mind.

And yes I know Johny is not playing with Rostrevor but for me, he is the best keeper in the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on July 09, 2021, 12:12:37 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 09, 2021, 11:51:20 AM
well the 3 Johnstons, Connaire Harrison, Pat Havern, Sean Dornan, Dabs Brannigan and Johny Parr are some that quickly spring to mind.

And yes I know Johny is not playing with Rostrevor but for me, he is the best keeper in the county

You think Tally should of got a man playing county that doesn't even play club football?

Is there any indication that the other 7 you mention will play now that Tally is gone? Or that Tally had anything to do with them not being there? I'm not saying they won't but if we're here this time next year talking about players not playing for a manager we have to start asking a different question.

Down just don't have enough star players at the minute to compete at a decent level. Hopefully there's more coming through now, I haven't seen as much club football over the last year as I would have previously. Down have a good few good players that will work hard and do a job but you need more X factor players with them. Look at the difference Marty Clarke made to the team in 2010. All of a sudden Benny wasn't on his own, or teams couldn't just concentrate on stopping Benny alone. Ambrose was a step above most around the middle too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on July 09, 2021, 12:45:22 PM
Harrison havern dornan all injuries, Dabs has never committed for any manager, and kilcoo boys flit in and out as they please as if it's up to someone to convince them that playing for Down isn't beneath them. Not as easy as it sounds
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 09, 2021, 02:22:42 PM
Harrison cant be injured as he is playing for Dromara Village at soccer. Has he played for Glasdrumman this season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 09, 2021, 04:07:55 PM
Good luck to Conor Laverty and his team tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 09, 2021, 07:05:22 PM
Seen a lot of clamour for wee James to get the job.. He's not the answer and we should stay clear, had a torrid time with the Minors. Harte would be a dream appointment for me would grip the supporters and players a like.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 09, 2021, 08:34:37 PM
Down 10 points up approaching half time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on July 09, 2021, 09:27:46 PM
Very good performance from the U20's. Very lively and well set up. Interesting to see how far they can go
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 09, 2021, 09:31:00 PM
I see donegal beat tyrone and  monaghan beat derry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 09, 2021, 09:34:31 PM
Fermanagh beat Antrim too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 09, 2021, 09:37:46 PM
Great win. Seems a long time since any Down team beat another Ulster County that easily at any level. Hopefully they can push on now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 09, 2021, 09:41:37 PM
Was thinking the same myself Sheedy, impressive away win fir sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 09, 2021, 09:43:09 PM
Another thread has us down to play Fermanagh in the semi final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 09, 2021, 10:14:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 09, 2021, 11:51:20 AM
well the 3 Johnstons, Connaire Harrison, Pat Havern, Sean Dornan, Dabs Brannigan and Johny Parr are some that quickly spring to mind.

And yes I know Johny is not playing with Rostrevor but for me, he is the best keeper in the county

Oh my god here we go again beating the crap out of a drum that ain't going to make a difference. Each management is entitled to pick who they want to - and even though Tally sat down in a personal meeting with the Branagan's to get them into the fold - they still refused - what more does he do?? Feed their sheep before training, sit up with them during lambing season, take them to mass each weekend???? 

Anyway - good performance tonight - Cavan are poor and we beat them well at minor level too so don't get carried away with this.. we now move forward to Fermanagh and watch as the big guns on the other side of the draw beat each other. Sounds a bit like Euro 2021!!!!
Surprised at some of the selections on the team tonight tbh but got the job done so can't question it..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 09, 2021, 10:31:38 PM
Well done to the u20s.

I'd a lagging fear based on the past decade that we'd be more fart than shit. But it was controlled, accomplished - and it does look like there's more to come. Well done lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 10, 2021, 07:54:59 AM
Paddy Tally has not brought Down football forward
He came in with big expectations and it didn't happen
Great win for the under 20s
Team selection wrong? They were outstanding
Give that management team the senior post
Stop looking back to the past
A young fresh new management team let them build for the future
An Dun ABU


To all who had a go at me for saying the ckub leagues would start on the 24th? Really?
What now lads if as expected Down beat Fermanagh. We need to give these under 20s the best possible chance of winning something
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 10, 2021, 09:53:45 PM
I wasn't a big advocate of that Corn an Duin but went to the match tonight in Mayobridge
Jesus what a game of football
Longstone probably the better team in normal time but Clonduff shaded it after extra time
The fitness levels of both teams looked to be through the roof
How did Longstone ever end up in division 2
Down have missed a trick not getting the league going
Looking forward to tomorrow's match. I think it will be like a championship match
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on July 10, 2021, 11:02:08 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 10, 2021, 09:53:45 PM
I wasn't a big advocate of that Corn an Duin but went to the match tonight in Mayobridge
Jesus what a game of football
Longstone probably the better team in normal time but Clonduff shaded it after extra time
The fitness levels of both teams looked to be through the roof
How did Longstone ever end up in division 2
Down have missed a trick not getting the league going
Looking forward to tomorrow's match. I think it will be like a championship match

Me too. Think Reds will take The Hoops 😁
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on July 11, 2021, 08:58:33 AM
Smurfy, in that heat too. Not sure I'm a fan of it still though, we could have first part of league over and I don't see benefit. Clonduff look any better than last year?
Are today's games on Pairc TV?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 11, 2021, 09:18:11 AM
Tommy no still not a fan of it but it was as good as match as I have seen in a long long time
2 teams playing proper football
Clonduff looked good very fit and move the ball well going forward.
Clonduff have underachieved for years with that group. Will that Tyrone man take them to the next level
They are 1 of 4 teams that could potentially take Kilcoo
Now I'm not saying they will btw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on July 11, 2021, 10:11:10 AM
It certainly would be nice to have a more competitive championship, same old gets fairly boring after a while.
Maybe the recent issues have created a more open and attacking philosophy, watching the Inter county there seems to be much more scores and a better attacking system.
Be interesting to see who comes out on top today, have the feeling it's more important for CPN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on July 11, 2021, 11:59:02 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on July 11, 2021, 10:11:10 AM
It certainly would be nice to have a more competitive championship, same old gets fairly boring after a while.
Maybe the recent issues have created a more open and attacking philosophy, watching the Inter county there seems to be much more scores and a better attacking system.
Be interesting to see who comes out on top today, have the feeling it's more important for CPN

More important for CPN, really??? A meaningless pre season competition, wise up.

Excellent win for our U20 side Friday evening, I agree with Wobbler, more to come from this young side, they have a head start on most teams as they have been training since January, so there is an Ulster title there for the taking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on July 11, 2021, 12:08:23 PM
More important for CPN, really??? A meaningless pre season competition, wise up.

Absolutely more important for CPN. I can guess neither team are thinking it's a Mickey Mouse cup before throw in, and both will want that win. You are naive if you don't believe these 2 going head-2-head in a 'final' isn't significant.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on July 11, 2021, 10:07:04 PM
What was the game like today? I see Kilcoo won well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on July 11, 2021, 10:15:59 PM
It was like a training match especially with the small crowd which added to lack of atmosphere. Kilcoo much superior and the score line certainly didn't flatter them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on July 12, 2021, 10:17:30 AM
Warrenpoint seem to have a lot of lads missing. Very one sided game, their new management team have a lot to work on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on July 12, 2021, 11:19:32 AM
Not a single mention of ANY of the games this week across the finals... Anybody even suprised?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on July 12, 2021, 01:12:51 PM
Shield final was a good game; RGN 7 pts ahead with 15 mins left, good comeback by Rostrevor to win in the end. Sean Parr still an amazing footballer, should have been on the county panel for years. If he'd been playing in Croke Pk in 2010 we'd have taken Sam home
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Akinfenwa on July 14, 2021, 09:19:19 AM
Championship draws going up on Facebook at 5pm today.

Any ties anyone wants to see? A couple of big guns drawn together? Keep the big boys separate until later in the competition?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 14, 2021, 10:11:00 AM
Can anyone tell me are division 1 and 2 going ahead if Down win on Friday night? There is real talk throughout the county that the leagues are going to lose promotion and relegation and to play for the trophies due to players' involvement in the  u20 championship. It was a great performance by Down on Friday night but how in the name of God did the GAA let this competition be run in the middle of July and August . Apparently, Ballyholland has stated they are not playing the league without their county players, and who can blame them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 14, 2021, 01:15:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 14, 2021, 10:11:00 AM
Can anyone tell me are division 1 and 2 going ahead if Down win on Friday night? There is real talk throughout the county that the leagues are going to lose promotion and relegation and to play for the trophies due to players' involvement in the  u20 championship. It was a great performance by Down on Friday night but how in the name of God did the GAA let this competition be run in the middle of July and August . Apparently, Ballyholland has stated they are not playing the league without their county players, and who can blame them.

I think I read somewhere where there are 3 free dates later on in the year where any postponements will be played and if needed the final round of fixtures will be pushed back 1 week to allow the postponed to catch up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on July 14, 2021, 02:11:38 PM
I believe clubs are given the option to postpone their games should they have any county players...

this will then turn the fixture list in to more Friday/Monday Games (already 2 scheduled in div 2) rather than push the end date back for the league - Div 2 still scheduled to finish on 3rd Sept.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 14, 2021, 02:14:21 PM
If Down got to the all Ireland final there are 5 games scheduled to be played before then. The number of fixtures to be squeezed into then would be crazy. This has not been thought out properly. Teams will have played games and teams will know what they need to do et etc, It is going to be a disaster if Down can go far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 14, 2021, 10:07:47 PM
If Down win on Friday what happens?
Some teams play some don't?
What a crazy crazy situation.
Some teams may not start until the first week of August
If an All Ireland final it will run into some teams starting at the end of August
Promotion and relegation for some teams who could be playing in 10 games in 20 days if that 6th of September is the cut of point
I don't think the county board have much riggle room as it takes 6 weeks to run off the championship that's with no weekends free
Promotion and relegation needs scrapped
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 14, 2021, 10:39:13 PM
In the event of Down Under 20s reaching an Ulster Final and All Ireland Semi Finals or Final, the following dates have been set aside for postponed games to be played- August 16th, August 30th and September 3rd (Final round of League Games would then move to Monday 6th September).

Games will not be automatically postponed by CCC but a request must be made to CCC by Clubs who may be impacted by their players involvement with Down Under 20s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 14, 2021, 11:02:38 PM
If Down get to an All Ireland final there is only 7 Monday/Fridays to Sept 6th that's teams playing Monday Friday Monday Friday Monday Friday Monday
They would need to extend it
Are the county board really going to ask teams to play 9 games in 20 days
Here's another 1
Say Kilcoo want to push for ulster they will play 15 games in 11 weeks
Time for promotion and relegation to go
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 14, 2021, 11:10:01 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 14, 2021, 11:02:38 PM
If Down get to an All Ireland final there is only 7 Monday/Fridays to Sept 6th that's teams playing Monday Friday Monday Friday Monday Friday Monday
They would need to extend it
Are the county board really going to ask teams to play 9 games in 20 days
Here's another 1
Say Kilcoo want to push for ulster they will play 15 games in 11 weeks
Time for promotion and relegation to go

No Chance... May aswell Scrap the leagues then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 14, 2021, 11:18:24 PM
If we are really going to permit the needs of 35 nineteen year olds to trump the needs of 1,000 adult footballers, then we really should take a few minutes to consider what it's all about.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 14, 2021, 11:29:09 PM
Agree 100%.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 14, 2021, 11:32:03 PM
I also agree
But take your own club wobbler
Missing 5 players for 5 matches in a 9 game league
Where is the fairness in that?
A lot at stake
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 14, 2021, 11:34:19 PM
You're working from an assumption that the county u20 team "owns" the rights to playing these players.

No reason why they can't play both.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 14, 2021, 11:40:58 PM
Fair point
But you and I know that the under 20s will not be playing next Friday night and then an ulster final on Sunday
That is just not going to happen
I don't disagree with you by the way
Do the county board really know what they are going to do?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 15, 2021, 08:58:19 AM
I really hope that Down can go on a run but herein lies the problem.  Trying to squeeze so many games in a short period of time will only mean injuries and do teams want that with the championship around the corner. It will be fine for teams with larger panels who will be able to rest players but one or two injuries to a team could decimate them. The wobbler has a point but it will be unfair to put players in a position to play club when the county setup does not want to. Also, the minor championship is scheduled on Monday nights in August, pitches are hard to come by at the minute without having a senior league game and the minor championship game on the same evening. There is going to be no right or wrong answer to this but there is a chance that a team could play 4 senior league games and another team not having kicked a ball. That is not fair. The league games should be all played on the same night within reason but no team should have a backlog of games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 15, 2021, 12:58:47 PM
Clubs have played for years under the starred system . That was losing their senior county players . Promotion and relegation play offs were brought in to ease the unfairness of this process meaning at the business end of the league you will have your full squad available for the games to either save yourself or try to win the league . I'd imagine this won't be as much of an issue as predicted and most will play on without the lads unless they form a major part of your team .Plus who's to say how far they actually go .  It's a freak season again with covid , county boards are having to make decisions on the hop . Players want to play and can't wait to get going , stop moaning and get out and enjoy it .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 15, 2021, 01:36:04 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 15, 2021, 12:58:47 PM
Clubs have played for years under the starred system . That was losing their senior county players . Promotion and relegation play offs were brought in to ease the unfairness of this process meaning at the business end of the league you will have your full squad available for the games to either save yourself or try to win the league . I'd imagine this won't be as much of an issue as predicted and most will play on without the lads unless they form a major part of your team .Plus who's to say how far they actually go .  It's a freak season again with covid , county boards are having to make decisions on the hop. Players want to play and can't wait to get going , stop moaning and get out and enjoy it .

Of course, players want to play, no one except for smurfy is saying to scrap the leagues. The problem is that there are play-offs that act as a buffer for the clubs with many county players.

I was speaking with a man this morning and his solution was to have no relegation but have two promoted from 2,3,4. This would change the number in the leagues from in 2021 from 10,10,11,12 to 12,10,11,10 in 2022. It was the fairest option i have heard in a long time and all clubs would be able to agree on that as every club can play for something.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 15, 2021, 01:58:17 PM
That would see us spending the next 3 years getting the leagues back to a manageable size. All because of 35 x nineteen year olds.

Everyone needs to a deep breath here and realise that if central council want to stick an u20 club competition in the middle of the club season, then the u20 competition cannot take precedence. Otherwise we might as well go back to the early 90s and plan to finish our club seasons on the following calendar year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 15, 2021, 02:08:05 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 15, 2021, 01:58:17 PM
That would see us spending the next 3 years getting the leagues back to a manageable size. All because of 35 x nineteen year olds.

Everyone needs to a deep breath here and realise that if central council want to stick an u20 club competition in the middle of the club season, then the u20 competition cannot take precedence. Otherwise we might as well go back to the early 90s and plan to finish our club seasons on the following calendar year.

But the u20 competition is taking precedence! We understand everything at what you are saying but you tell the Down u20 management that John McGovern will be playing for Ballyholland next weekend if they are in an Ulster final. Do you honestly think that will happen? Your logic is correct but in the real world, it is not happening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 15, 2021, 02:13:07 PM
It will only take precedence if our clubs allow it to happen.

How players are released for county fixtures is not set by central council. It is motioned by the county board executive, and agreed by the county board (the clubs).

My personal belief (in no way representative of my club) is that senior league fixtures should be fulfilled on same weekend throughout the u2 competitions, and u20 players are eligible to play for clubs.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 15, 2021, 02:56:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 15, 2021, 02:13:07 PM
It will only take precedence if our clubs allow it to happen.

How players are released for county fixtures is not set by central council. It is motioned by the county board executive, and agreed by the county board (the clubs).

My personal belief (in no way representative of my club) is that senior league fixtures should be fulfilled on same weekend throughout the u2 competitions, and u20 players are eligible to play for clubs.

So league fixtures are to take place next Sunday then if Down were still in the competition with all players to clubs, again sounds good but no chance of it happening.

I don't think it will matter anyway, lockdown 3 coming soon  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 15, 2021, 05:03:19 PM
The county board have clearly stated no club will have a game which is starred
Which leaves us with 3 scenarios

1. Wobblers suggestion which is not going to happen

2. Any team with players on the panel don't play and reschedule

3. Play without them

Number 1 and 3 ain't happening

So we could have some teams that have played 3 or 4 games and another not even started

Something has to give
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on July 15, 2021, 06:05:40 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 15, 2021, 02:13:07 PM
It will only take precedence if our clubs allow it to happen.

How players are released for county fixtures is not set by central council. It is motioned by the county board executive, and agreed by the county board (the clubs).

My personal belief (in no way representative of my club) is that senior league fixtures should be fulfilled on same weekend throughout the u2 competitions, and u20 players are eligible to play for clubs.

I have to agree, the leagues have to go ahead, we are the only county in Ulster that hasn't started the league's yet and now we are stopping them for an underage development squad!!! What's next???

Laverty has been training these lads from February the whole way through lockdown, time to push on with the senior club leagues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 15, 2021, 06:26:42 PM
Lads whilst I agree that the leagues should go on without them or scrapped that is not going to happen

And anyone who thinks these lads will play for the clubs now is badly badly mistaken

These players haven't played for the clubs since the 1st game of that pre season competition so they are not going to play now

And I'll state again I agree with wobbler regarding we should not be stopping club leagues for this

That's 2 Fridays past already where leagues could have been started

I'll say it again a decision needs to be made

And it's all or nothing

Can't have say 7 teams not playing and the rest playing.
That's just farcical
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 15, 2021, 07:19:07 PM
What clubs will be looking for a postponement? I'm not speaking for my club but I wouldn't think they will be looking to postpone. But who knows.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on July 15, 2021, 07:31:14 PM
Any club who have U.20's on their team as starters and are most likely weaker without them will possibly look for postponements. Any others with injuries and players on U.20 panel may also look to put their game back if this suited them. I always thought that County panels were allowed a free fortnight before their championship games, certainly the case for seniors and I think 7 days for minors, not sure what it is for U.20's though. This really is a mess and while we all want to see them do well there is no doubt that the club season will suffer for the sake of this competition.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 15, 2021, 09:17:58 PM
Well would you expect auglishnafin to play without there best player? After all the hard work that club done to get into Division 3 to potentially play 5 matches without him and probably getting relegated?
Saul without O Hare? I think not
Now we are fine as we only have 2 and can deal with that but the smaller clubs will struggle
It may only be 1 player but in a short league it could be the difference in getting relegated and staying up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on July 15, 2021, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 15, 2021, 09:17:58 PM
Well would you expect auglishnafin to play without there best player? After all the hard work that club done to get into Division 3 to potentially play 5 matches without him and probably getting relegated?
Saul without O Hare? I think not
Now we are fine as we only have 2 and can deal with that but the smaller clubs will struggle
It may only be 1 player but in a short league it could be the difference in getting relegated and staying up.


Could we have some English please, what point are you making?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 15, 2021, 09:58:40 PM
Good man
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 16, 2021, 08:46:17 AM
I see the Auglishnafin match will be off Monday night if Down win tonight
Anyone who thought games would continue without these lads were mistaken
This is just the start of it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 16, 2021, 09:31:55 AM
The leagues cant be scrapped, I think teams should play without their players and no relegation but promotion from 2,3,4. It will be up to the CCC to rejig the leagues in the next few years but a division 1 with 12 teams next year would not be the end of the world followed by 2(10 teams), 3 (11 teams), and 4 (10 teams). I think that would be fairer on every player both county and club and would ensure all games go ahead as planned without the stop-start nature. If Down win tonight I hope the CCC sees sense to meet over the weekend and agree on this proposal as it's the only viable solution. The wobbler's suggestions sound good but won't happen, Smurfy's suggestions to scrap the league are ludicrous. The fairest solution is no relegation but promotion. There would be no club that would be against this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 16, 2021, 03:21:03 PM
U20s on tg4 youtube tonight. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on July 16, 2021, 04:18:59 PM
The reason the choices are so difficult are all outlined in the thread. So many different opinions about what's the best way forward and all discredit each other's views.
Plan better, go ahead without u20's, postpone if not available, all for u20, get rid of u20. County board, provincial.
They had to make a decision and we clubs need to adjust. The county are saying any clubs who don't wish to go ahead when there is a clash, they can postpone. I can't see any other logical way forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 16, 2021, 04:42:41 PM
The problem is the further they go in the competition that there will be no space to play the remaining games due to the start of the championship. It will not be possible to have enough weeks even if they go Monday and Friday. I really believe that option of no relegation is the best option if they win an Ulster title. It will keep everyone happy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 16, 2021, 05:57:35 PM
Truth hurts you seem to have a good solution
No relegation
That would mean all clubs would get on with it from next week on with no issues
As it stands if Down win tonight we will see 50% of matches in division 1 and 2 postponed
Now that is farcical
Would it be that bad if the leagues were
Div 1 -12
Division 2- 12
Division 3 12
Division 4 10

Now what is wrong with that?

Things will be a lot clearer this evening

Good luck to Conor and his brilliant team tonight
Playing the game the way it should be
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 16, 2021, 09:24:55 PM
Farcical you reckon ....50% postponed you say ....It's fantastic insight for you to know what decision 20 clubs are going to make next Friday night . Did you text round them all ? Which ones aren't playing out of interest ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 16, 2021, 09:35:11 PM
Well of the top of my head with lads on panel
Kilcoo 5
Ballyholland 4
Burren 4
Auglisnafin 1
St John's 1
Saul 1
Mayobridge 4
Glenn 1
Clonduff 2
Downpatrick 1
Carryduff 2
Longstone 1
Bryansford 2


Now why would any of those clubs play with men down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on July 16, 2021, 09:40:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 16, 2021, 09:35:11 PM
Well of the top of my head with lads on panel
Kilcoo 5
Ballyholland 4
Burren 4
Auglisnafin 1
St John's 1
Saul 1
Mayobridge 4
Glenn 1
Clonduff 2
Downpatrick 1
Carryduff 2
Longstone 1
Bryansford 2


Now why would any of those clubs play with men down?
How many of them would start for the their seniors? Especially the bigger clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 16, 2021, 09:53:20 PM
Probably every single one except Kilcoo

CPN have 2 who didn't make the 26 and will start for us

Both them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 16, 2021, 10:52:37 PM
I presume the u20 ulster final will be in Armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 17, 2021, 08:44:18 AM
Great performance again by our U20s. It's a joy to watch the pace and flair they attack with. Only for the keeper Down couldve had 4 or 5 goals in the 1st half. Despite all the negativity on here about the league it's great to see a Down team winning and winning with flair, playing the game how it should be played.  Monaghan will be tough opposition. They look a big strong outfit. Hard to know at this age group. It will be a real test for these lads. But the game management looked good also in last 2 games start fast and get the scores up and then in 2nd half close the game out. An ulster final to look fwd to now next week probably in Armagh sat or sun.  I wonder what way tickets are for under age games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 17, 2021, 06:36:33 PM
Great performance by u20s, especially in 1st half and they should've been much further ahead at half time.

Tragic news from monaghan after their game last night shows how quickly life can change. RIP Brendan Og Duffy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 17, 2021, 07:10:52 PM
Very sad news about the Monaghan under 20 captain
A very sad day
It's really hard to take in that
Thoughts and prayers with his family

It's really does make you think
We talk about leagues getting held up
For what's it's worth
Let all club leagues go ahead next Friday and do away with relegation
And let the under 20s concentrate on that

But after the news this morning I'm not really worried what happens
Let lads play and enjoy football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on July 17, 2021, 08:48:10 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 17, 2021, 07:10:52 PM
Very sad news about the Monaghan under 20 captain
A very sad day
It's really hard to take in that
Thoughts and prayers with his family

It's really does make you think
We talk about leagues getting held up
For what's it's worth
Let all club leagues go ahead next Friday and do away with relegation
And let the under 20s concentrate on that

But after the news this morning I'm not really worried what happens
Let lads play and enjoy football

Smurfy why are you still going on about the league's, I can't believe you are still going on about this! It's a development squad, the league's go ahead, players can play both, end of the line.

Interesting lots calling for Laverty to be appointed next Down manager, couldn't win a game with Monaghan last year, and you look at a year older Monaghan team today winning through to an Ulster final.

It's one thing coaching 16, 17 and 18 year olds in your own club but a different game with senior IC players. I really don't know where we turn to maybe an outsider again but please don't mention the usual same old names like Wee James, Poacher, Ross, Deegan, Mulholland, they simply aren't good enough. People might not agree here but surely Benny needs to be considered?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 17, 2021, 09:23:13 PM
Development tournament or not the players wil not be allowed to play
That's the bottom line
So you expect players to play Friday night and then an Ulster final on Saturday night?
Is that what you are saying here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 17, 2021, 09:29:04 PM
Anyone asking young fellas to play on a Friday night with an Ulster final the next night needs to have a word with themselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 17, 2021, 09:35:41 PM
Well said Sheedy
It will not happen
The under 20s will not be playing club football on Friday night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on July 18, 2021, 12:23:54 AM
The football world doesn't revolve around them. There are plenty of others who are looking forward to playing for their clubs next Friday. Crack on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 18, 2021, 07:33:46 AM
Plan I get that I really do
I know the leagues don't revolve around them
But why should say Saul play 4 or 5 games with big O Hare there best player?
Why should they have to play without him?
That's my point here
I agree all matches should be played but they won't
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on July 18, 2021, 08:47:45 PM
It was gone for me but came back up. Not sure why.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on July 18, 2021, 09:57:08 PM
Very distasteful and inappropriate comment by LOTTO has been removed.

Warning issued to the poster as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 19, 2021, 09:00:51 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on July 18, 2021, 09:57:08 PM
Very distasteful and inappropriate comment by LOTTO has been removed.

Warning issued to the poster as well.

Disgraceful comment Lotto, no wonder discussion boards are near a thing of the past
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 19, 2021, 09:13:12 AM
Refs have been appointed for all senior games on Friday so all must be going ahead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 19, 2021, 09:17:36 AM
Sorry I just checked and the Fins game tonight is not on, this will be a shit show
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 19, 2021, 09:24:42 AM
Disgraceful comment and rightly removed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 19, 2021, 10:07:25 AM
Carryduff seems to be going in the right direction, their B and C team in the final of A reserve leagues next week. They are a massive force in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 19, 2021, 01:08:02 PM
U20 game now postponed on Saturday so a full list of fixtures will go ahead on Friday..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 19, 2021, 03:43:51 PM
all players allowed to play in it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 19, 2021, 04:28:28 PM
Smurfy, why could your  B and C teams not field at the weekend? Are the players back playing soccer now? Tougher sanctions are needed on clubs who continually do not field in reserve games.  If you are not going to play then don't enter a competition. The CCC splits reserve into cup, shield, and plate so everyone has a chance of some silverware but some teams their nose up at it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 19, 2021, 05:40:23 PM
A stag and the county board wouldn't put it off finals had to be played this weekend

As I said leagues are going to be a disaster
First game off tonight
Auglishnafin who have 1 player that played a combined 20 minutes for the 20s now off.
What about the other 45 lads who miss out tonight?
What happens them?
Now I certainly don't blame auglisnafin for getting it off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 19, 2021, 07:55:47 PM
So the Down under 20s game moved to Friday the 30th and rightly so
But it creates all sorts of problems for the Down fixtures
Round 2 now will be cancelled and with matches Monday it can't move to then
I see Attical and Saval off because of covid.
The county board need to make a statement very soon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 19, 2021, 08:52:50 PM
Liatrom v Shamrocks also postponed tonight
Time for the leagues to be scrapped
Will we even get a championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 19, 2021, 09:54:15 PM
I blame the protocol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on July 19, 2021, 10:00:41 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 19, 2021, 09:54:15 PM
I blame the protocol

;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 20, 2021, 09:00:23 AM
2 out of 5 games played last night in the 3rd tier, that is not like a real league. This biggest threat to our leagues is going to be covid cases as the cases are rising in the community and are going to get worse. There is only one option for the county board to take and there would be no yapping from any club. Let the games commence on Friday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 20, 2021, 11:45:09 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 20, 2021, 09:00:23 AM
2 out of 5 games played last night in the 3rd tier, that is not like a real league. This biggest threat to our leagues is going to be covid cases as the cases are rising in the community and are going to get worse. There is only one option for the county board to take and there would be no yapping from any club. Let the games commence on Friday.

Few more games called off on Friday already due to COVID cases in some clubs. Genuine question do we think the leagues will be finished this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 20, 2021, 12:52:46 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 20, 2021, 11:45:09 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 20, 2021, 09:00:23 AM
2 out of 5 games played last night in the 3rd tier, that is not like a real league. This biggest threat to our leagues is going to be covid cases as the cases are rising in the community and are going to get worse. There is only one option for the county board to take and there would be no yapping from any club. Let the games commence on Friday.

Few more games called off on Friday already due to COVID cases in some clubs. Genuine question do we think the leagues will be finished this year?

They would if there was no relegation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 20, 2021, 05:09:16 PM
Those clubs who called off last night due to covid have also asked to postpone Fridays games
What more can clubs do if they get an outbreak?
The county board literally have run out of weekends that's even going Monday and Friday
It's a tight fixture calendar as it is with no disruptions add in covid and it's impossible to play out a meaningful league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 20, 2021, 10:14:19 PM
Meeting to decide the way forward on Thursday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 20, 2021, 11:09:26 PM
What games are off on Friday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 20, 2021, 11:22:16 PM
All games in division 1 off Friday except Kilcoo v Bryansford
Only 2 on in division 2
How has this come to this?
The first games should all start together
No matches next Friday either
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 21, 2021, 01:03:22 AM
Jeez there is some amount of whinging done on here.. just let them get on with it and see how it pans out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2021, 07:33:05 AM
Let them get on with what exactly hedge?
Approximately 240 club players won't be getting on with anything Friday night
Try telling the club players who have been training from the first week of April to let them just get on with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 21, 2021, 08:53:38 AM
Most senior players won't have a game now to August as next week's games as of due to the u20 final. And then the county board wants to run a senior league off like an East Down go game super blitz. Could games not go ahead on Friday and be starred as normal. No relegation from each league and let the club players get football. At the start of August, a lot of our senior footballers will not have played in the senior football league. I am not whingeing, I am stating the facts and it will get worse if win an Ulster final which I firmly believe we are capable of. Can this not be sorted ASAP

Where is the meeting supersub ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAAHEAD1960 on July 21, 2021, 09:15:11 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2021, 07:33:05 AM
Let them get on with what exactly hedge?
Approximately 240 club players won't be getting on with anything Friday night
Try telling the club players who have been training from the first week of April to let them just get on with it.

A perfectly good Friday for football is being passed up on. Now 9 matches will be squeezed into 5 weeks for those other 240 club players. All of this just to suit a handful of players.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on July 21, 2021, 09:55:46 AM
Extend the leagues out so they aren't cramped into a 5 week period and make the championships a straight knockout
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 21, 2021, 10:14:28 AM
Quote from: maldini on July 21, 2021, 09:55:46 AM
Extend the leagues out so they aren't cramped into a 5 week period and make the championships a straight knockout

That will never happen as championship gates create the money for the county board and more games mean more money. Games are still going to be restricted to a certain number.
The timeframe for the championship is so tight due to Ulster championship so the best solution to this fiasco is to have the games started this week and take away the threat of relegation. Club players will be delighted to begin real football and the u20 players will have the best preparation going into the Ulster final.

Does anyone think I am talking bonkers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on July 21, 2021, 12:22:13 PM
Another season of nonsense in Down...does this carry on happen in other counties? Seems like it's always us in a tangle every year for some reason...

Games off this Friday, next Friday will probably be scrapped too...then Fridays and Mondays with Championship around the corner :(

Clubs don't want to play without their U20s and that's not surprising but the County Board should be ensuring the games go ahead as starred fixtures...like it's been done for years at Senior Level.

Solution is simple...scrap the relegation from Div1-3, two go up from Div2, Two up from Div3 and two up from Div4. Leaves us next year with 12 teams in Div1, 10 in Div2, 11 teams in Div3 and 10 in Div 4. There's benefit and incentive for every team and good competitive fixtures before Championship gets underway. Also means that no team is unduly hampered by not having the U20S.

Am I missing something here or why can't this be done?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 21, 2021, 12:32:55 PM
Simpler solution.

Play the leagues. Play them with the u20 players.

And also don't send out messages to all clubs that the county under 20 management "are prepared to release the following players".  As if somehow this is a benevolent act of kindness.

Maybe next year central council will do everyone a favour and not drop a county championship into the middle of the club season. But until then, don't take a shit on the clubs. We don't deserve that. Not for an underage football competition.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on July 21, 2021, 12:48:28 PM
Anyways for a bit of lighthearted craic, what do you all think predictions for the leagues would be this year if all squads were full out? I'd go for the following:

DIV1:

Kilcoo
Burren
Clonduff
Mayobridge
CPN
Loughinisland
Carryduff
Ballyholland
Rostrevor
Bryansford

DIV2:

RGU
Castlewellan
Longstone
An Riocht
Glenn
Bredagh
Darraghcross
Saul
St Johns
Annaclone

Div3

Liatroim
Drumgath
Ballymartin
Saval
Shamrocks
Clann Na Banna
Tullylish
Bosco
Aughlisnafin
Attical
Teconnaught

Don't know enough about Div4 to even have an opinion...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 21, 2021, 01:16:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 21, 2021, 12:32:55 PM
Simpler solution.

Play the leagues. Play them with the u20 players.

And also don't send out messages to all clubs that the county under 20 management "are prepared to release the following players".  As if somehow this is a benevolent act of kindness.

Maybe next year central council will do everyone a favour and not drop a county championship into the middle of the club season. But until then, don't take a shit on the clubs. We don't deserve that. Not for an underage football competition.

That's not going to happen and you know it, the whole thing is a mess and it needs to be sorted. Your own club has no game Friday and no game next Friday.

Also what would the penalty be if you played a starred player?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 21, 2021, 01:37:46 PM
Quote from: upandwin on July 21, 2021, 12:48:28 PM
Anyways for a bit of lighthearted craic, what do you all think predictions for the leagues would be this year if all squads were full out? I'd go for the following:

DIV1:

Kilcoo
Burren
Clonduff
Mayobridge
CPN
Loughinisland
Carryduff
Ballyholland
Rostrevor
Bryansford

DIV2:

RGU
Castlewellan
Longstone
An Riocht
Glenn
Bredagh
Darraghcross
Saul
St Johns
Annaclone

Div3

Liatroim
Drumgath
Ballymartin
Saval
Shamrocks
Clann Na Banna
Tullylish
Bosco
Aughlisnafin
Attical
Teconnaught

Don't know enough about Div4 to even have an opinion...

I fancy St Pauls and Dromara to go up. There will be a few mis mathces in division 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 21, 2021, 01:42:40 PM
The reason why it's not going to happen is because as county (a group of clubs) we collectively seem unwilling to consider and challenge the reasons why u20 county football would take precedence over senior club football.

Do I want our county to win championships? Yes.
Did i tune in each of the last two Fridays with a sense of expectation and later a sense of pride? Yes.

Do I think the absolute pursuit of this goal is worthy of obliterating the short window in which a club football season can take place? Absolutely no way.

Am I disgusted that players are being denied to their clubs 8 days before an underage county match, which as a decision means there's no chance for the rest of this series of meeting halfway, bargaining, or showing of common sense anywhere ? Absolutely f**king yes.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 21, 2021, 01:57:40 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 21, 2021, 01:42:40 PM
The reason why it's not going to happen is because as county (a group of clubs) we collectively seem unwilling to consider and challenge the reasons why u20 county football would take precedence over senior club football.

Do I want our county to win championships? Yes.
Did i tune in each of the last two Fridays with a sense of expectation and later a sense of pride? Yes.

Do I think the absolute pursuit of this goal is worthy of obliterating the short window in which a club football season can take place? Absolutely no way.

Am I disgusted that players are being denied to their clubs 8 days before an underage county match, which as a decision means there's no chance for the rest of this series of meeting halfway, bargaining, or showing of common sense anywhere ? Absolutely f**king yes.

Has your club made these views known or is that a personal opinion. The leagues should be starting on Friday, every single game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 21, 2021, 02:50:32 PM
Simple solution . Games should be starred and play on . Most of the teams in div 2/3 are affected by 1 and at most 2 starters . By changing the games they may be missing 1/2 of the of players who are available and fit now . Any division 1 team should be able to withstand the loss of a few 20 year old lads . Clubs with panels of 30+ saying they can't play and then saying they are thinking of their team ... managers thinking of themselves . Star the games , think of the players who want to play and play on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 21, 2021, 03:07:24 PM
Ordinarily I'd agree with you Stiffbreeze. Managers have spent my whole life trying to get out of matches instead of just playing the fecking things.

But this year is a nine match, no play-off format, where 20% of the teams get relegated - and potentially three of those nine games could be starred.

We've created a situation whereby an adjustment of a single defeat into a draw will be vital for half the clubs in the county (indeed, scoring difference in any given match could prove vital).

So asking managers to plough on with this now is a bit like dealing a massive hand, then allowing some teams to change cards, and others not to. That's not on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 21, 2021, 03:16:29 PM
Has that not always been the case ? Some teams with league winning aspirations and some with survival aspirations get shafted due to county players on their squad and some dont ? And again we are talking about under 20 lads here in senior teams not county seniors, huge difference .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 21, 2021, 03:22:27 PM
But you can't compare a 9-game season that was scheduled to run off 9 over 7 weeks, with a 22 game game season that was run off offer 6 months and culminated in playoffs at the end as a safety net.

The playoffs and the starred system really do kind of need each other, in times of county success.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 21, 2021, 04:00:34 PM
Promote and relegate only 1 and playoff with top 2 and bottom 2 then . Games go ahead and 1 extra game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 21, 2021, 04:17:11 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 21, 2021, 04:00:34 PM
Promote and relegate only 1 and playoff with top 2 and bottom 2 then . Games go ahead and 1 extra game

That would not solve anything as the margin for error would be so tight. In a 5 game league, 5 wins would see you safe.

I have yet to see a better idea than not having relegation and still have a promotion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 21, 2021, 04:34:58 PM
I'm a 9 game league 5 wins would see you safe no matter what . No relegation will mean meaningless games and teams not fielding due to nothing to play for after 5 games .  With or without a few 20 year olds for 4 games the worst teams will end up at the bottom and the better at the top as usually happens in any league . The playoff game is just to give each team involved a fair crack at survival or promotion with their full panel . The main pluses to that system are it allows us to carry on regardless of county and leaves the league competitive
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 21, 2021, 04:43:54 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 21, 2021, 04:34:58 PM
I'm a 9 game league 5 wins would see you safe no matter what . No relegation will mean meaningless games and teams not fielding due to nothing to play for after 5 games .  With or without a few 20 year olds for 4 games the worst teams will end up at the bottom and the better at the top as usually happens in any league . The playoff game is just to give each team involved a fair crack at survival or promotion with their full panel . The main pluses to that system are it allows us to carry on regardless of county and leaves the league competitive

Teams will field as all games are played before the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2021, 05:38:57 PM
If someone in the county board would come out and admit they made an absolute balls of the leagues. Corn an Duin started 9 weeks ago why could the leagues not have started with 18 games and the normal started system like every year?
In a 9 game league as was mentioned here every point is vital
In this weather what a disaster that we will have no matches to attend on Friday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on July 22, 2021, 01:06:36 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2021, 05:38:57 PM
If someone in the county board would come out and admit they made an absolute balls of the leagues. Corn an Duin started 9 weeks ago why could the leagues not have started with 18 games and the normal started system like every year?
In a 9 game league as was mentioned here every point is vital
In this weather what a disaster that we will have no matches to attend on Friday

They didn't make a balls of the leagues, at the time it was the right call but unfortunately covid has raised its head again and we didn't make hay while the sun shined so therefore we have no competitive football played and it's frustrating for everyone involved.

Covid is one thing but clubs being held to ransom by an u20 development squad is a bigger issue. Surprised clubs allowing this to happen. Outcome of tonight's meeting will be interesting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 22, 2021, 01:14:54 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on July 22, 2021, 01:06:36 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 21, 2021, 05:38:57 PM
If someone in the county board would come out and admit they made an absolute balls of the leagues. Corn an Duin started 9 weeks ago why could the leagues not have started with 18 games and the normal started system like every year?
In a 9 game league as was mentioned here every point is vital
In this weather what a disaster that we will have no matches to attend on Friday

They didn't make a balls of the leagues, at the time it was the right call but unfortunately covid has raised its head again and we didn't make hay while the sun shined so therefore we have no competitive football played and it's frustrating for everyone involved.

Covid is one thing but clubs being held to ransom by an u20 development squad is a bigger issue. Surprised clubs allowing this to happen. Outcome of tonight's meeting will be interesting.

Next season the county board will have to tell the senior and u20 that club players have to play in club league and not play 14 days before championship games, get back to the starred system.
This season we need a quick fix to get the games up and running and there is only one real option.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 22, 2021, 04:15:53 PM
How did they not make a balls of it?
How was it not the right time to start the league at the start of May?
Why not start the league instead of a Mickey Mouse competition that wasn't taking seriously
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 22, 2021, 09:27:56 PM
County board meeting tonight has given a few surprises.. no relegation this year from division 1 and going back to 12 teams next year.. senior matches start next Thursday night.. obviously starred for u20 panel.. let the chastising begin....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 22, 2021, 09:53:51 PM
So no relegation from any division ? And all games tomorrow off and re fixed for next Thursday ? Is that the result of tonight ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 22, 2021, 10:02:55 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 22, 2021, 09:53:51 PM
So no relegation from any division ? And all games tomorrow off and re fixed for next Thursday ? Is that the result of tonight ?

No, any games scheduled for tomorrow go ahead.. Games scheduled for next Friday will be brought forward to Thursday.

Also any Covid postponements will result in a forfeit given the short timeframe before the championship commences.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 23, 2021, 08:34:05 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 22, 2021, 09:27:56 PM
County board meeting tonight has given a few surprises.. no relegation this year from division 1 and going back to 12 teams next year.. senior matches start next Thursday night.. obviously starred for u20 panel.. let the chastising begin....

I think everyone should be happy with games going ahead now, clubs cannot get off with bull shit excuses, good luck to all teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on July 23, 2021, 12:22:23 PM
Brilliant news. Well done County Board on a good decision. They get enough stick from us when they f**k up so fair play to them on making the right call...

Just a pity no games tonight worth talking about, roll on next week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 25, 2021, 11:01:56 AM
Good that the county board made a call and now league matches continue regardless
Credit where it is due
They seem problems may arise and dealt with it
Went to Rostrevor and Mayobridge on Friday night good first 45 then the bridge pulled away final quarter
Rostrevor very much in transition with lots of young lads and I think they may struggle this year without Mooney
What is going on in An Riocht beat by 20 points by Downpatrick? Are Downpatrick really that far ahead of them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on July 25, 2021, 01:20:05 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 25, 2021, 11:01:56 AM
Good that the county board made a call and now league matches continue regardless
Credit where it is due
They seem problems may arise and dealt with it
Went to Rostrevor and Mayobridge on Friday night good first 45 then the bridge pulled away final quarter
Rostrevor very much in transition with lots of young lads and I think they may struggle this year without Mooney
What is going on in An Riocht beat by 20 points by Downpatrick? Are Downpatrick really that far ahead of them?
Kingdom missing 6 starters due to isolation. Only had 3/4 subs with them but looked second best all over the field
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on July 25, 2021, 07:08:00 PM
Any players I've talked to are totally fucked off. Glorified friendlies was the most used phrase.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 25, 2021, 08:05:54 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on July 25, 2021, 07:08:00 PM
Any players I've talked to are totally fucked off. Glorified friendlies was the most used phrase.

I'm unsure as to how this could possibly be true . Any team newly promoted will be delighted as they get a free pass in the division for a year to improve . Any team who normally struggle equally so And for any team with aspirations of a top two finish nothing changes . I'd say this is negativity for negativity's sake
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on July 25, 2021, 08:35:48 PM
Absolutely. Almost unanimous agreement among the clubs. Most players and coaches I've spoken to are delighted to be playing league football. Let's hope Covid gives us a clear run at it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on July 26, 2021, 08:48:53 AM
Any info on the two Div1 games last week? Heard Mayobridge were mightily impressive all over the park, with Shane Annette, Kevin McClorey and Corey Quinn impressing...Corey racking up 3-6

Rostrevor are a poor enough for Division 1...and when a couple of the old guard call it a day I think they'll struggle massively...they will be thankful of the free pass for another year in Div 1.

Any word on the Kilcoo/Ford game? Expected that to be a tanking tbh...5pts is much closer than most people would've thought...Did Kilcoo have an experimental team out?

Some good games to look forward to over the next few weeks...Burren will be the one to watch this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on July 26, 2021, 08:56:31 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 25, 2021, 08:05:54 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on July 25, 2021, 07:08:00 PM
Any players I've talked to are totally fucked off. Glorified friendlies was the most used phrase.

I'm unsure as to how this could possibly be true . Any team newly promoted will be delighted as they get a free pass in the division for a year to improve . Any team who normally struggle equally so And for any team with aspirations of a top two finish nothing changes . I'd say this is negativity for negativity's sake

Not at all. I'm not a player. I'd have more interest in under age football these days. Just feeding back what's been said to me .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on July 26, 2021, 11:21:21 AM
Who are the Society of St Peter?

I see them down for a few underage hurling and football games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on July 26, 2021, 11:33:43 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 26, 2021, 11:21:21 AM
Who are the Society of St Peter?

I see them down for a few underage hurling and football games.
Do you mean Warrenpoint? Cumann Naomh Peadar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on July 26, 2021, 12:45:49 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on July 26, 2021, 11:33:43 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 26, 2021, 11:21:21 AM
Who are the Society of St Peter?

I see them down for a few underage hurling and football games.
Do you mean Warrenpoint? Cumann Naomh Peadar

That's probably who it is, but all of a sudden the English version is coming up on the Down fixtures website when it was the Irish version before.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on July 26, 2021, 09:02:01 PM
It's actually Cumann Pheadair Naofa
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 27, 2021, 08:50:14 AM
Quote from: upandwin on July 26, 2021, 08:48:53 AM
Any info on the two Div1 games last week? Heard Mayobridge were mightily impressive all over the park, with Shane Annette, Kevin McClorey and Corey Quinn impressing...Corey racking up 3-6

Rostrevor are a poor enough for Division 1...and when a couple of the old guard call it a day I think they'll struggle massively...they will be thankful of the free pass for another year in Div 1.

Any word on the Kilcoo/Ford game? Expected that to be a tanking tbh...5pts is much closer than most people would've thought...Did Kilcoo have an experimental team out?

Some good games to look forward to over the next few weeks...Burren will be the one to watch this year

Kilcoo coasted through the game in third gear, it will be interesting to see what the Burren game will be like this week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 27, 2021, 12:08:49 PM
I see on Down website that the Down u17 team play Tyrone tomorrow night, does anyone know what the team is or what clubs are represented? There is nothing on social media about this as all the media seems to be around the u20.
Are Burren still the stand-out team at minor level?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on July 27, 2021, 03:53:27 PM
CPN able to play a friendly this week but calling off their league game. The league is no relegation so don't understand why they won't play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on July 27, 2021, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on July 27, 2021, 03:53:27 PM
CPN able to play a friendly this week but calling off their league game. The league is no relegation so don't understand why they won't play.

Probably due to the fact Burren asked to postpone the game more than anything I'd imagine...hardly rocket science that one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 27, 2021, 04:29:56 PM
Quote from: upandwin on July 27, 2021, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on July 27, 2021, 03:53:27 PM
CPN able to play a friendly this week but calling off their league game. The league is no relegation so don't understand why they won't play.

Probably due to the fact Burren asked to postpone the game more than anything I'd imagine...hardly rocket science that one

Why would Burren postpone a game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on July 27, 2021, 06:36:13 PM
Quote from: upandwin on July 27, 2021, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on July 27, 2021, 03:53:27 PM
CPN able to play a friendly this week but calling off their league game. The league is no relegation so don't understand why they won't play.

Probably due to the fact Burren asked to postpone the game more than anything I'd imagine...hardly rocket science that one

They were due to play Carryduff not Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on July 28, 2021, 02:17:13 PM
They were due to play Burren last Friday....Burren asked to postpone because of close contact for Covid and their U20s unavailable (They Asked to postpone before relegation announcement)

Carryduff CPN game was called off by County Board along with all other league fixtures because of the U20 final (Again before the announcement by County Board)

I assume clubs playing Thursday or tonight have done that now not really too bothered about the result, just wanting to get the show on the road etc...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 28, 2021, 02:28:51 PM
Quote from: upandwin on July 21, 2021, 12:48:28 PM
Anyways for a bit of lighthearted craic, what do you all think predictions for the leagues would be this year if all squads were full out? I'd go for the following:

DIV1:

Kilcoo
Burren
Clonduff
Mayobridge
CPN
Loughinisland
Carryduff
Ballyholland
Rostrevor
Bryansford

DIV2:

RGU
Castlewellan
Longstone
An Riocht
Glenn
Bredagh
Darraghcross
Saul
St Johns
Annaclone

Div3

Liatroim
Drumgath
Ballymartin
Saval
Shamrocks
Clann Na Banna
Tullylish
Bosco
Aughlisnafin
Attical
Teconnaught

Don't know enough about Div4 to even have an opinion...

Div1

Carryduff
Kilcoo
Burren
Mayobridge
Warrenpoint
Clonduff
Louginisland
Ballyholland
Rostrevor
Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 28, 2021, 09:11:53 PM
Big hammering tonight for U17s against Tyrone in championship, 0-9 to 3-16.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on July 28, 2021, 10:14:03 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 28, 2021, 09:11:53 PM
Big hammering tonight for U17s against Tyrone in championship, 0-9 to 3-16.
Ah well,sure the cookery and baking exercises went well in the build-up. 8)
Can't blame Stevie P for this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on July 28, 2021, 11:30:57 PM
A day in the life of Down GAA, first we have the announcement of a new 5 man panel to pick the next Down manager but everyone knows only one name on that 5 man list will make the final call. Then we have the news that planing permission has been passed for our much needed center of excellence.

But to finish the day off in true Down fashion we go and get one of the biggest drubbings we have ever taken in underage championship, what an utter farce. Look at the great men who were overlooked for this job, hard questions must now start being asked and answered about the selection process, how the likes of Carr, Linden, Walsh, Hughes, were overlooked for this role is confusing. One of the biggest questions though has to be about our games manager, what progress are we making or what progress have we made with him in charge of development for over a decade now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 28, 2021, 11:35:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on July 28, 2021, 10:14:03 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 28, 2021, 09:11:53 PM
Big hammering tonight for U17s against Tyrone in championship, 0-9 to 3-16.
Ah well,sure the cookery and baking exercises went well in the build-up. 8)
Can't blame Stevie P for this one.

Cookery/Baking exercises - what's that about???

Stevie p would have had a few of these lads on panel last year so it more than likely is still his fault!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 28, 2021, 11:37:36 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on July 28, 2021, 11:30:57 PM
A day in the life of Down GAA, first we have the announcement of a new 5 man panel to pick the next Down manager but everyone knows only one name on that 5 man list will make the final call. Then we have the news that planing permission has been passed for our much needed center of excellence.

But to finish the day off in true Down fashion we go and get one of the biggest drubbings we have ever taken in underage championship, what an utter farce. Look at the great men who were overlooked for this job, hard questions must now start being asked and answered about the selection process, how the likes of Carr, Linden, Walsh, Hughes, were overlooked for this role is confusing. One of the biggest questions though has to be about our games manager, what progress are we making or what progress have we made with him in charge of development for over a decade now?

Who is on the 5 man panel???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 28, 2021, 11:52:46 PM
Since 2009 (our last Ulster minor final... correct me if I'm wrong), we've tried just about every type of manager at this level. And (again, correct me if I'm wrong - but I'm not far away), none of them has won more than a single Championship match in a row.

It would kind of suggest that the problems maybe aren't beginning 8-12 weeks before championship.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 29, 2021, 12:22:23 AM
   God the father(Sean Og),the Son(wee JackJohn) and the Holy Ghost(Barney McAleenan) plus a few Disciples(Mark Poland-hired hand) and Benny McArdle( current "past-it" County player)
[/quote]

My oh my.. Barney McAleenan - surely he will be pushing an agenda with Niall in the frame to be part of the setup??? Mark Poland and Benny McArdle - what is that about...

Jim Gavin better answer his phone when they come calling!!!

Internal appointment - Conor Deegan, Micky Walsh, Niall McAleenan, Justy Lynch, Shane Mulholland, Conleth Gilligan as coach..

Still be in division 2 and unless we get Kilkenny in the back door - championship will be 2 games...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 29, 2021, 08:12:27 AM
Wobbler you will find that management team have been with them 3 years ongoing
A very very poor showing last night
Very disheartening after seeing the good work from the 20s
That's all I can say on it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 29, 2021, 08:26:33 AM
The blame has to be put at the door of coaching . I dont believe Tyrone produce many better footballers than Down do but they are much better prepared.Monaghan a small county are much better coached and prepared than Down. Last years mi ors a prime example, hotly tipped as favourites but looked like they couldnt string a pass together. The U20s have bucked the trend and we can only hope they keep it going for another while. Best of luck to them tomorrow night. Possibly they have a proper coaching team in position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on July 29, 2021, 08:53:54 AM
See Loughinisland got an absolute trimming by Rostrevor, what's that about? Haven't heard much from Loughinisland this year at all, have they got lads missing? Rostrevor aren't up to much so that's a bit of a shock result, especially with the game being in Loughinisland...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 29, 2021, 08:58:08 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 28, 2021, 11:52:46 PM
Since 2009 (our last Ulster minor final... correct me if I'm wrong), we've tried just about every type of manager at this level. And (again, correct me if I'm wrong - but I'm not far away), none of them has won more than a single Championship match in a row.

It would kind of suggest that the problems maybe aren't beginning 8-12 weeks before championship.

Some people are quick to judge a setup that has found had it hard to meet due to covid or to organize matches as well.

I look closely at underage and the clubs that are consistently in top tier underage competitions are


Ford
Bredagh
Kilcoo
Carryduff

Burren
Clonduff
Mayobridge
Ballyholland

Start looking at the coaching structures within your own clubs, can something be done by the county to help you? It is very easy to pop the blame at the county board level, though I would like to see more coaching done in the secondary level especially schools like the Red High and Knock, the Red High should be playing McRory football every year with the number of lads that go to it and the clubs that feed them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on July 29, 2021, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: upandwin on July 29, 2021, 08:53:54 AM
See Loughinisland got an absolute trimming by Rostrevor, what's that about? Haven't heard much from Loughinisland this year at all, have they got lads missing? Rostrevor aren't up to much so that's a bit of a shock result, especially with the game being in Loughinisland...

Was at the game. Loughinisland missing half their team due to covid/isolating. Will be surprised if the league is completed this year with the way things are going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 29, 2021, 12:40:19 PM
No need to be so negative, the games will be played whether there are people isolating or not.

It would be good for someone in Burren to stream tonight's game for patrons who cannot get and especially ones who are far away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on July 29, 2021, 12:53:13 PM
Not negative, just looking at it realistically and the situation is getting increasingly worse.

Regarding the underage clubs post there.. Fair to say most of these clubs have the biggest numbers with some able to field 2 or 3 teams at each age group. Impossible in majority of rural clubs. No coincidence there I'm sure. That's not to take away from the work being done by the coaches there though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on July 29, 2021, 12:56:03 PM
Chatting to a few of the younger Burren lads on the squad and they're very confident of beating Kilcoo tonight...they said Burren let the Magpies off the hook in Corn an Duin game and they'll not be beaten again this year...

Can't wait to see how that game goes tonight. Lot of hype around the Burren set up this year, McCorry will have them in good order and they're obviously very confident. They see themselves as heavy favourites for the championship too when U20s are back available they'll be hard beat...great to have league underway
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 29, 2021, 12:58:10 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on July 29, 2021, 12:53:13 PM
Not negative, just looking at it realistically and the situation is getting increasingly worse.

Regarding the underage clubs post there.. Fair to say most of these clubs have the biggest numbers with some able to field 2 or 3 teams at each age group. Impossible in majority of rural clubs. No coincidence there I'm sure. That's not to take away from the work being done by the coaches there though.
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Might be a valid point but towns like Downpatrick, Castlewellan, Warrenpoint and  Newry need to producing better underage teams. When these areas done well, we won all Irelands
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: shagger on July 29, 2021, 09:46:21 PM
Quote from: upandwin on July 29, 2021, 12:56:03 PM
Chatting to a few of the younger Burren lads on the squad and they're very confident of beating Kilcoo tonight...they said Burren let the Magpies off the hook in Corn an Duin game and they'll not be beaten again this year...

Can't wait to see how that game goes tonight. Lot of hype around the Burren set up this year, McCorry will have them in good order and they're obviously very confident. They see themselves as heavy favourites for the championship too when U20s are back available they'll be hard beat...great to have league underway

"They'll not be beaten again this year".....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 29, 2021, 09:49:05 PM
A big task for the selection Committee on getting the right people for our Senior Footballers.Good to see two young ones on board.Don't really see how Barney can be relevant in today's game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 29, 2021, 10:08:45 PM


"They'll not be beaten again this year".....
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That's that quote gone.... Kilcoo got away with murder tonight and as usual Burren didn't have the balls to stand up to them.. two very very defensive teams who try and hit on the break as often as they can. The less said about the referee display the better.. Kilcoo must absolutely love it when they see his name beside their games!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on July 29, 2021, 10:15:29 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 29, 2021, 10:08:45 PM


"They'll not be beaten again this year".....

That's that quote gone.... Kilcoo got away with murder tonight and as usual Burren didn't have the balls to stand up to them.. two very very defensive teams who try and hit on the break as often as they can. The less said about the referee display the better.. Kilcoo must absolutely love it when they see his name beside their games!!!
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Sure, blame the ref.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on July 29, 2021, 10:56:44 PM
Quote from: upandwin on July 29, 2021, 12:56:03 PM
Chatting to a few of the younger Burren lads on the squad and they're very confident of beating Kilcoo tonight...they said Burren let the Magpies off the hook in Corn an Duin game and they'll not be beaten again this year...

Can't wait to see how that game goes tonight. Lot of hype around the Burren set up this year, McCorry will have them in good order and they're obviously very confident. They see themselves as heavy favourites for the championship too when U20s are back available they'll be hard beat...great to have league underway

Lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 29, 2021, 11:48:56 PM


Sure, blame the ref.....
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Absolutely not blaming anyone.. but Ronan has history with the magpies!! Like a few others - doesn't want to stand up to them in case he gets the Falloon treatment!!! With only a few games tonight surely he could have had others with him to watch off the ball stuff..
sets our game up for Monday as "interesting"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 30, 2021, 09:12:14 AM
A very low-scoring game, could this be a sign for the rest of the year? Two games and Kilcoo narrowly beaten Burren, McCorry is a shrewd operator and I am sure he is happy enough the way things are going.
On another note, huge congratulations to Bright U17s  on winning the u17 division 4 title beating a fancied Burren B team during the week, a great result for the club,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on July 30, 2021, 09:34:12 AM
So much for the mighty Burren and their unbeaten run lol...was up at the game and it was intriguing but not much of a spectacle...cat and mouse stuff for 60mins with both teams super defensive. Burren will be happy enough with what they saw last night, I think they have more to come in from the U20 side than the Magpies do, Dabs will be glad that Oran Murdock wasn't available after the last display...

Burren carrying a few passengers last night, especially in their forward line. It will be between those two teams come championship time, their fitness is incredible and neither team backed down.

Glad to see Kilcoo get it over the line last night, Burren just didn't have the balls to win it-missed a few really easy scores and it looked like they really miss Donal for Free kicks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 30, 2021, 09:52:51 AM
Quote from: upandwin on July 30, 2021, 09:34:12 AM
So much for the mighty Burren and their unbeaten run lol...was up at the game and it was intriguing but not much of a spectacle...cat and mouse stuff for 60mins with both teams super defensive. Burren will be happy enough with what they saw last night, I think they have more to come in from the U20 side than the Magpies do, Dabs will be glad that Oran Murdock wasn't available after the last display...

Burren carrying a few passengers last night, especially in their forward line. It will be between those two teams come championship time, their fitness is incredible and neither team backed down.

Glad to see Kilcoo get it over the line last night, Burren just didn't have the balls to win it-missed a few really easy scores and it looked like they really miss Donal for Free kicks.

Its early days but Kilcoo and Burren will always be the front runners with the squads they have. But I fancy the Point and Clonduff to have a good season.

Good to see Newry Shamrocks getting off to a good start, both them and RGU are sleeping giants of Down football. With the talent at their disposal The RGU should be getting out of the second tier.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on July 30, 2021, 10:08:16 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 30, 2021, 09:52:51 AM
Good to see Newry Shamrocks getting off to a good start, both them and RGU are sleeping giants of Down football. With the talent at their disposal The RGU should be getting out of the second tier.

I know the old mantra is 'you can only beat what's in front of you' but wins over Banbridge and Tullylish should have been expected from Shamrocks. They won't have enough for the likes of Liatroim and Saval for example, so tougher games lie ahead.

I agree with RGU, they should be one of the hot favourites for a return to the top flight. Its tough to call who goes with them, and I'd say four or five teams would have quiet ambitions of claiming that second promotion spot.

Down in Div 4, St Pauls and Ardglass have to be the favourites but Bright and Kilclief can be the ones to throw a spanner in the works.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 30, 2021, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on July 30, 2021, 10:08:16 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 30, 2021, 09:52:51 AM
Good to see Newry Shamrocks getting off to a good start, both them and RGU are sleeping giants of Down football. With the talent at their disposal The RGU should be getting out of the second tier.

I know the old mantra is 'you can only beat what's in front of you' but wins over Banbridge and Tullylish should have been expected from Shamrocks. They won't have enough for the likes of Liatroim and Saval for example, so tougher games lie ahead.

I agree with RGU, they should be one of the hot favourites for a return to the top flight. Its tough to call who goes with them, and I'd say four or five teams would have quiet ambitions of claiming that second promotion spot.

Down in Div 4, St Pauls and Ardglass have to be the favourites but Bright and Kilclief can be the ones to throw a spanner in the works.

Tonight's game in McNamee Park between St Pauls and Bright will be a tough battle and will put one side into a strong position to get into division 3 . St Pauls getting big numbers at training by all accounts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 30, 2021, 10:46:03 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 30, 2021, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on July 30, 2021, 10:08:16 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 30, 2021, 09:52:51 AM
Good to see Newry Shamrocks getting off to a good start, both them and RGU are sleeping giants of Down football. With the talent at their disposal The RGU should be getting out of the second tier.

I know the old mantra is 'you can only beat what's in front of you' but wins over Banbridge and Tullylish should have been expected from Shamrocks. They won't have enough for the likes of Liatroim and Saval for example, so tougher games lie ahead.

I agree with RGU, they should be one of the hot favourites for a return to the top flight. Its tough to call who goes with them, and I'd say four or five teams would have quiet ambitions of claiming that second promotion spot.

Down in Div 4, St Pauls and Ardglass have to be the favourites but Bright and Kilclief can be the ones to throw a spanner in the works.

Tonight's game in McNamee Park between St Pauls and Bright will be a tough battle and will put one side into a strong position to get into division 3 . St Pauls getting big numbers at training by all accounts.

Bright/St.Paul's/Kilclief would be the favourites to go up from Division 4.. They're a cut above everyone else in the Division.. Glassdrumman, Dundrum, Drumaness ones you'd normally include in a promotion mix unfortunately don't have the players this year too put up a fight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 30, 2021, 11:03:13 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 30, 2021, 10:46:03 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 30, 2021, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on July 30, 2021, 10:08:16 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 30, 2021, 09:52:51 AM
Good to see Newry Shamrocks getting off to a good start, both them and RGU are sleeping giants of Down football. With the talent at their disposal The RGU should be getting out of the second tier.

I know the old mantra is 'you can only beat what's in front of you' but wins over Banbridge and Tullylish should have been expected from Shamrocks. They won't have enough for the likes of Liatroim and Saval for example, so tougher games lie ahead.

I agree with RGU, they should be one of the hot favourites for a return to the top flight. Its tough to call who goes with them, and I'd say four or five teams would have quiet ambitions of claiming that second promotion spot.

Down in Div 4, St Pauls and Ardglass have to be the favourites but Bright and Kilclief can be the ones to throw a spanner in the works.

Tonight's game in McNamee Park between St Pauls and Bright will be a tough battle and will put one side into a strong position to get into division 3 . St Pauls getting big numbers at training by all accounts.

Bright/St.Paul's/Kilclief would be the favourites to go up from Division 4.. They're a cut above everyone else in the Division.. Glassdrumman, Dundrum, Drumaness ones you'd normally include in a promotion mix unfortunately don't have the players this year too put up a fight

Does Drumaness not have a good pick? Should they not always be competing at the junior level?

I have said it for years now and I think it's time that Dundrum and Ballykinlar amalgamate and reignite Gaelic games in the Tyrella parish. The new complex should see a new awakening and for an area that has given go many great players to the county, I believe it's time for heads to come together and to think of a way to see Gaelic games flourish.

I also believe an amalgamation between Ballymartin, Longstone and Glasgrumman could happen in the new future .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on July 30, 2021, 11:25:41 AM
Split Kilcoo in to North and South and let the rest of the county have a chance lads...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 30, 2021, 11:34:05 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 30, 2021, 11:03:13 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 30, 2021, 10:46:03 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 30, 2021, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on July 30, 2021, 10:08:16 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 30, 2021, 09:52:51 AM
Good to see Newry Shamrocks getting off to a good start, both them and RGU are sleeping giants of Down football. With the talent at their disposal The RGU should be getting out of the second tier.

I know the old mantra is 'you can only beat what's in front of you' but wins over Banbridge and Tullylish should have been expected from Shamrocks. They won't have enough for the likes of Liatroim and Saval for example, so tougher games lie ahead.

I agree with RGU, they should be one of the hot favourites for a return to the top flight. Its tough to call who goes with them, and I'd say four or five teams would have quiet ambitions of claiming that second promotion spot.

Down in Div 4, St Pauls and Ardglass have to be the favourites but Bright and Kilclief can be the ones to throw a spanner in the works.

Tonight's game in McNamee Park between St Pauls and Bright will be a tough battle and will put one side into a strong position to get into division 3 . St Pauls getting big numbers at training by all accounts.

Bright/St.Paul's/Kilclief would be the favourites to go up from Division 4.. They're a cut above everyone else in the Division.. Glassdrumman, Dundrum, Drumaness ones you'd normally include in a promotion mix unfortunately don't have the players this year too put up a fight

Does Drumaness not have a good pick? Should they not always be competing at the junior level?

I have said it for years now and I think it's time that Dundrum and Ballykinlar amalgamate and reignite Gaelic games in the Tyrella parish. The new complex should see a new awakening and for an area that has given go many great players to the county, I believe it's time for heads to come together and to think of a way to see Gaelic games flourish.

I also believe an amalgamation between Ballymartin, Longstone and Glasgrumman could happen in the new future .

Usually yes, but soccer season starting soon so Ness players tend to go to it over GAA.. Also fair weather players I've always thought through the years, boys will only tog out if they've a chance of winning something.

Dundrum wise a proposal was brought forward by the then committee a few years ago about amalgamation with Kinlar and all football be moved over to the centre of excellence when built but was strongly opposed by the players. Don't know if Ballymartin or Stone would be keen on an amalgamation but Glassdrumman look to be struggling senior panel down until they get to u11s for numbers, could be bleak few years for them. Hopefully they can keep the ship afloat until they get numbers coming through
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 30, 2021, 11:52:59 AM
Quote from: upandwin on July 30, 2021, 11:25:41 AM
Split Kilcoo in to North and South and let the rest of the county have a chance lads...

At the minute, yes but that won't last forever, you only have to look at their underage results to foresee that. They are still strong but not the force of Burren, Carryduff, Bredagh and the likes .

Senior players should not have the casting vote on amalgamations, it should be a collective thing. The future of the GAA in these areas is the most important aspect. Ballykinlar has no team at senior level but they have a sprinkling of players around the place, Dundrum is a yo-yo club and it seems a junior title every few years keeps them happy. The centre of excellence could be their home pitch, which should put it over the line. I hope that both clubs have the vision to see that.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 30, 2021, 04:11:18 PM
What's the point in building a centre of excellence if a club is going to use it as their base?. Would club use not make it less accessible for county developments, and underage teams along with county senior teams. I'd say with 4 pitches they could all be in full use most evening and nights with the county alone. Do any clubs use Garvaghy in tyrone ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedHand88 on July 30, 2021, 04:14:44 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 30, 2021, 04:11:18 PM
What's the point in building a centre of excellence if a club is going to use it as their base?. Would club use not make it less accessible for county developments, and underage teams along with county senior teams. I'd say with 4 pitches they could all be in full use most evening and nights with the county alone. Do any clubs use Garvaghy in tyrone ?
Not that I know of no. Wouldn't be fair. Schools get a look in I think, but it's nearly entirely county training (all levels).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 30, 2021, 04:33:05 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 30, 2021, 04:11:18 PM
What's the point in building a centre of excellence if a club is going to use it as their base?. Would club use not make it less accessible for county developments, and underage teams along with county senior teams. I'd say with 4 pitches they could all be in full use most evening and nights with the county alone. Do any clubs use Garvaghy in tyrone ?

I am not saying for all the time, maybe just for a senior home game for dundrum/Ballykinlar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on July 30, 2021, 04:35:29 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 30, 2021, 04:14:44 PM
but it's nearly entirely county training (all levels).

The county's underage teams play their home games there too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 30, 2021, 04:39:18 PM
It wont be used all the time ffs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 30, 2021, 04:51:38 PM
Why would you even suggest giving it out to a club?
Tye county board tried to revive both BK and Newry Mitchell's and it hasn't worked out
Time to move on
Good luck to the under 20s tonight


Regarding club
We can't look past Kilcoo for division 1 but the usual suspects will be trying to win it
CPN
Clonduff
Burren
Mayobridge

Hard to look past any of the above

Division 2
Downpatrick at a canter with anyone of 5 or 6 from the others

Division 3
Liatrom at a canter and add in Shamrocks Saval Drumgath or Bosco

Division 4 don't know much about it


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on July 30, 2021, 05:10:36 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 29, 2021, 11:48:56 PM


Sure, blame the ref.....
but Ronan has history with the magpies!! Like a few others - doesn't want to stand up to them in case he gets the Falloon treatment!!! With only a few games tonight surely he could have had others with him to watch off the ball stuff..
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Ronan is one of the most experienced about, champ finals and games galore  - Surely good enough for a league game. Who else, lot of the others don't seem to be available and see quite a few are in Ulster circles.

Is Championship a straight knock out again this year? You'd have to fancy Kilcoo again quite strongly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 30, 2021, 05:49:29 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on July 30, 2021, 05:10:36 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 29, 2021, 11:48:56 PM


Sure, blame the ref.....
but Ronan has history with the magpies!! Like a few others - doesn't want to stand up to them in case he gets the Falloon treatment!!! With only a few games tonight surely he could have had others with him to watch off the ball stuff..

Ronan is one of the most experienced about, champ finals and games galore  - Surely good enough for a league game. Who else, lot of the others don't seem to be available and see quite a few are in Ulster circles.

Is Championship a straight knock out again this year? You'd have to fancy Kilcoo again quite strongly.
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    Again? It hasn't been straight knock-out for a good few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on July 30, 2021, 05:52:05 PM
I couldn't remember last year! Is it knockout this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 30, 2021, 05:59:38 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on July 30, 2021, 05:52:05 PM
I couldn't remember last year! Is it knockout this year?
Backdoor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on July 30, 2021, 08:09:21 PM
U20 game on TG$ btw; close at half-time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 30, 2021, 08:34:25 PM
Laverty has got all the match ups right.. Boys are throwing it away with poor shooting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on July 30, 2021, 08:57:16 PM
Down should have won that comfortably; much the better team in the 2nd half, but forwards continually panicking in front of goals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on July 30, 2021, 09:46:38 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on July 28, 2021, 11:30:57 PM
A day in the life of Down GAA, first we have the announcement of a new 5 man panel to pick the next Down manager but everyone knows only one name on that 5 man list will make the final call. Then we have the news that planing permission has been passed for our much needed center of excellence.

But to finish the day off in true Down fashion we go and get one of the biggest drubbings we have ever taken in underage championship, what an utter farce. Look at the great men who were overlooked for this job, hard questions must now start being asked and answered about the selection process, how the likes of Carr, Linden, Walsh, Hughes, were overlooked for this role is confusing. One of the biggest questions though has to be about our games manager, what progress are we making or what progress have we made with him in charge of development for over a decade now?
Get the white smoke out. Laverty and his team have come knocking on the door
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 30, 2021, 09:55:27 PM
Good win, better team from half time on and should've won in normal time only for some shocking misses. Great to get some underage success, been long time coming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 30, 2021, 09:55:59 PM
How did no 13 not start? The only natural forward on that Down side. Great work rate across the pitch but seem to lack shooters !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 30, 2021, 10:03:55 PM
Andrew Gilmore or Peter McMullan man of the match for me, both sensational.. Gilmore been tearing up underage for years for St Johns good to see him get the pay off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 30, 2021, 10:18:28 PM
Great win. Looked like they might throw it away. But very professional in et saw the game out. Delighted. Long time for Down. Roscommon next sat. I assume Breffni or clones? Enniskillen maybe forma bigger crowd.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 30, 2021, 10:21:04 PM
O'Hare had good game and probably deserved man of match, gilmore was very good and surely has to start next time. 2 midfielders were decent and won a lot of ball. Charlie Smyth picked up a lot of balls, supported play and scored a few crucial frees. For forwards that are so highly thought of  some of the shooting was criminal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blowitupref on July 30, 2021, 10:27:33 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 30, 2021, 10:18:28 PM
Great win. Looked like they might throw it away. But very professional in et saw the game out. Delighted. Long time for Down. Roscommon next sat. I assume Breffni or clones? Enniskillen maybe forma bigger crowd.

It's Breffni apparently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 30, 2021, 10:38:38 PM

Dundrum wise a proposal was brought forward by the then committee a few years ago about amalgamation with Kinlar and all football be moved over to the centre of excellence when built but was strongly opposed by the players. Don't know if Ballymartin or Stone would be keen on an amalgamation but Glassdrumman look to be struggling senior panel down until they get to u11s for numbers, could be bleak few years for them. Hopefully they can keep the ship afloat until they get numbers coming through
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Tell me this folks

Looking at other counties like Galway, Dublin, Armagh, Cork. Kerry, Monaghan, Mayo etc they allow clubs to have a team in the senior league and Junior league.. For example Corofin have a team that is playing in Senior. Intermediate and Junior leagues.. Nemo Rangers the same.. others like Crossmaglen and killeavy are in senior and junior league in Armagh.. I'm sure the likes of CPN, Kilcoo, Burren, Clonduff, Mayobridge could all field in division 4 and make it more competitive.. Surely the likes of Dundrum, Dromara, St Paul's etc would relish the chance of going to these clubs and showcasing their talent rather than the same old same old each year.. Teams in division 4 target who they will beat before a ball is kicked and know the 1 or 2 games that will be tough.. surely if there were 5,6,7 tough games per season the quality of player they have would improve - thus county representatives..

These teams can get promoted but only to division 3 not beyond.. If their seniors were to be relegated then they won't play each other in division 2.. but if they go another division their junior team has to go to division 4... name a top 20 players that are never allowed to play in juniors and if a junior player for kilcoo goin well in division 4 and plays for seniors after a couple of weeks - he cannot go back to junior again that year.. I think it could work if we had open minded people in certain clubs..

Thoughts???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 30, 2021, 11:05:44 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 30, 2021, 10:38:38 PM

Dundrum wise a proposal was brought forward by the then committee a few years ago about amalgamation with Kinlar and all football be moved over to the centre of excellence when built but was strongly opposed by the players. Don't know if Ballymartin or Stone would be keen on an amalgamation but Glassdrumman look to be struggling senior panel down until they get to u11s for numbers, could be bleak few years for them. Hopefully they can keep the ship afloat until they get numbers coming through

Tell me this folks

Looking at other counties like Galway, Dublin, Armagh, Cork. Kerry, Monaghan, Mayo etc they allow clubs to have a team in the senior league and Junior league.. For example Corofin have a team that is playing in Senior. Intermediate and Junior leagues.. Nemo Rangers the same.. others like Crossmaglen and killeavy are in senior and junior league in Armagh.. I'm sure the likes of CPN, Kilcoo, Burren, Clonduff, Mayobridge could all field in division 4 and make it more competitive.. Surely the likes of Dundrum, Dromara, St Paul's etc would relish the chance of going to these clubs and showcasing their talent rather than the same old same old each year.. Teams in division 4 target who they will beat before a ball is kicked and know the 1 or 2 games that will be tough.. surely if there were 5,6,7 tough games per season the quality of player they have would improve - thus county representatives..

These teams can get promoted but only to division 3 not beyond.. If their seniors were to be relegated then they won't play each other in division 2.. but if they go another division their junior team has to go to division 4... name a top 20 players that are never allowed to play in juniors and if a junior player for kilcoo goin well in division 4 and plays for seniors after a couple of weeks - he cannot go back to junior again that year.. I think it could work if we had open minded people in certain clubs..

Thoughts???
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Transferred from an Div 4 club due to moving out of the parish but they talked about restructuring leagues a few years ago and players in club I was in wanted that.. No offence too them but you learn nothing and don't improve beating Aghaderg, St Michaels, Mitchell's by 20 points. You've it right too Johnny games are targeted so you'd base trainings on playing Finn/St Paul's etc the stronger teams and that's how the league is done. Also going up to Kilcoo, Burren etc gives teams who've no chance of playing at those venues a taste of what it's like and bigger crowd to play in front off too..

But too my mind only thing stopping this would be senior managers want to keep everyone who is on their panel playing senior football, wouldn't lend them to the "2s". Other thing would be shortage of referees, don't think we have the capacity to put more games on a Friday night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on July 30, 2021, 11:24:18 PM
What a win for Down tonight
Fair play to all involved
A great achievement

The division 4 teams voted against seconds teams entering division 4 3 years ago. That's why it never happened. The senior clubs wanted it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 30, 2021, 11:51:16 PM
Quite a performance tonight from what is clearly the best underage team we have produced since the 2005 AI minor champions. They were a brilliantly organised side, with every player comfortable on the ball and confident in the system. Monaghan put in a massive effort in the most difficult of circumstances, but just a little more calmness by our forwards would have finished the contest comfortably in normal time. However, extra time was a clinical exercise with our ability to retain possession and use our pace hugely impressive. O'Hare was a well deserved man of the match, and his interview afterwards was also exceptional, but there were plenty of other fine performances and Gilmore coming off the bench was a game changer. While the AI semi against Roscommon is only a week away, we have a serious management unit and the squad will be well up for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 30, 2021, 11:54:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on July 30, 2021, 11:24:18 PM
What a win for Down tonight
Fair play to all involved
A great achievement

The division 4 teams voted against seconds teams entering division 4 3 years ago. That's why it never happened. The senior clubs wanted it

Didn't know that Smurfy apologies.. Club I was playing for at the time the players wanted it.. Hopefully get suggested again in the near future. It will benefit clubs in the long term, look at the Finn for example they were playing Senior teams 2nds teams in 2019 when they had a free week and clearly benefitted them from the level they were then too now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on July 31, 2021, 12:50:11 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on July 30, 2021, 11:51:16 PM
Quite a performance tonight from what is clearly the best underage team we have produced since the 2005 AI minor champions. They were a brilliantly organised side, with every player comfortable on the ball and confident in the system. Monaghan put in a massive effort in the most difficult of circumstances, but just a little more calmness by our forwards would have finished the contest comfortably in normal time. However, extra time was a clinical exercise with our ability to retain possession and use our pace hugely impressive. O'Hare was a well deserved man of the match, and his interview afterwards was also exceptional, but there were plenty of other fine performances and Gilmore coming off the bench was a game changer. While the AI semi against Roscommon is only a week away, we have a serious management unit and the squad will be well up for it.

Excellent review. That is a serious Down team.

First off, hard luck to Monaghan, they were a credit to their county. A few lads and supporters were in bits at the end. Just so sad and hard to comprehend.

I hope for all the best for them in the future and sincere sympathy with the Dufaigh family.

Everything about Down tonight really impressed me.
The missed chances, the times when we looked buried, down to 14. Monaghan at times looking like sure winners.
As a defender in my playing days I always look at the grind of a win. Downs tackling was flawless tonight.

What won it for Down was their command of the basic skills and the confidence to play football. To stick to a plan. Kilcoo-esque maybe?

I thought what would cause Down to lose tonight was the historical habit of us losing and winning nothing for so long. Not to these players.
Mistakes were made but it cared not a jot. A trait that is taught.

Finally when we won, the understated celebration of the win was what marked the night for me. The respect that Down management and team showed toward Monaghan will live with me for a long time.

Now for Monaghan to win the Ulster senior championship. Come on the Farney!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on July 31, 2021, 07:14:54 AM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on July 31, 2021, 12:50:11 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on July 30, 2021, 11:51:16 PM
Quite a performance tonight from what is clearly the best underage team we have produced since the 2005 AI minor champions. They were a brilliantly organised side, with every player comfortable on the ball and confident in the system. Monaghan put in a massive effort in the most difficult of circumstances, but just a little more calmness by our forwards would have finished the contest comfortably in normal time. However, extra time was a clinical exercise with our ability to retain possession and use our pace hugely impressive. O'Hare was a well deserved man of the match, and his interview afterwards was also exceptional, but there were plenty of other fine performances and Gilmore coming off the bench was a game changer. While the AI semi against Roscommon is only a week away, we have a serious management unit and the squad will be well up for it.

Excellent review. That is a serious Down team.

First off, hard luck to Monaghan, they were a credit to their county. A few lads and supporters were in bits at the end. Just so sad and hard to comprehend.

I hope for all the best for them in the future and sincere sympathy with the Dufaigh family.

Everything about Down tonight really impressed me.
The missed chances, the times when we looked buried, down to 14. Monaghan at times looking like sure winners.
As a defender in my playing days I always look at the grind of a win. Downs tackling was flawless tonight.

What won it for Down was their command of the basic skills and the confidence to play football. To stick to a plan. Kilcoo-esque maybe?

I thought what would cause Down to lose tonight was the historical habit of us losing and winning nothing for so long. Not to these players.
Mistakes were made but it cared not a jot. A trait that is taught.

Finally when we won, the understated celebration of the win was what marked the night for me. The respect that Down management and team showed toward Monaghan will live with me for a long time.

Now for Monaghan to win the Ulster senior championship. Come on the Farney!

Well organised, well motivated, well disciplined, quality performances all round.  Now for Roscommon. Heartbreaking for Monaghan, so proud of big Ruairí's emotional speech of support.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on July 31, 2021, 11:46:25 AM
Congratulations to the Kilcoo U.20 team last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 31, 2021, 11:57:25 AM

Fantastic interview from ruairi o hare and well done the team amd management 👏
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on July 31, 2021, 12:56:27 PM
Quote from: Lotto on July 31, 2021, 11:46:25 AM
Congratulations to the Kilcoo U.20 team last night.
Don't be a d-ck!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 31, 2021, 01:58:15 PM
Slightly off topic but are the likes of Bredagh / Carryduff producing any underage county players? 2 clubs with big picks. Can only benefit Down long term.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 31, 2021, 02:56:02 PM
Quote from: Lotto on July 31, 2021, 11:46:25 AM
Congratulations to the Kilcoo U.20 team last night.
Sad begrudgery on a night that pride was restored in Down football and, more importantly, the players, management and supporters showed respect for a grieving family and county.
The future of Ireland will be shaped by people like Brendan Óg Duffy, Ruairi O'Hare and their teammates .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on July 31, 2021, 03:13:24 PM
The small number of clubs involved in the u20 team reflects the demise of East Down as a force and the lack of players from the big towns (Downpatrick, Belfast, Newry, Castlewellan)
It will be a generation before we challenge at senior level again.
Having said that, an Ulster U20 is to be celebrated for its own sake. I suspect life will take many of these lads away from Ireland, so Carpe Diem
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on July 31, 2021, 03:31:49 PM
Quote from: befair on July 31, 2021, 03:13:24 PM
The small number of clubs involved in the u20 team reflects the demise of East Down as a force and the lack of players from the big towns (Downpatrick, Belfast, Newry, Castlewellan)
It will be a generation before we challenge at senior level again.
Having said that, an Ulster U20 is to be celebrated for its own sake. I suspect life will take many of these lads away from Ireland, so Carpe Diem

12 players on last night's panel from East Down? RGU had a starter, and have men on the senior panel. Carryduff have players involved at pretty much all levels. Very negative comment after what was a positive event for Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 31, 2021, 03:41:08 PM
Quote from: befair on July 31, 2021, 03:13:24 PM
The small number of clubs involved in the u20 team reflects the demise of East Down as a force and the lack of players from the big towns (Downpatrick, Belfast, Newry, Castlewellan)
It will be a generation before we challenge at senior level again.
Having said that, an Ulster U20 is to be celebrated for its own sake. I suspect life will take many of these lads away from Ireland, so Carpe Diem
13 different clubs on a 24 man panel is hardly a small representation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 31, 2021, 03:58:27 PM
Honestly boys need to shut up about Castlewellan, Newry, Downpatrick etc..  We've a strong squad who cares were players are from.. 7 starters were from East Down clubs and arguably the 3 best players on the night were from East Down.

Castlewellan haven't won a championship since the 90s same as RGU and a Newry club hasn't won a SFC since the 60s. It's 2021 stop living in the past.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on July 31, 2021, 04:51:27 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 31, 2021, 03:58:27 PM
Honestly boys need to shut up about Castlewellan, Newry, Downpatrick etc..  We've a strong squad who cares were players are from.. 7 starters were from East Down clubs and arguably the 3 best players on the night were from East Down.

Castlewellan haven't won a championship since the 90s same as RGU and a Newry club hasn't won a SFC since the 60s. It's 2021 stop living in the past.

And Down haven't won anything since 1994.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on July 31, 2021, 09:15:51 PM
While there is a strong case for not responding to the likes of Befair, it should still be pointed out that our present u20s probably include a wider range  of clubs than any other Down squad in recent years. When Befair refers to the demise of east Down, he must have forgotten about Kilcoo. Walter asks about under age representation from Bredagh and Carryduff, so Lorcan Toal started for Down last night, and got better and better as the game went on. Our minors had a bad night against Tyrone but both midfielders and the full forward were from the Belfast neighbours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on July 31, 2021, 10:22:59 PM
Quote from: befair on July 31, 2021, 04:51:27 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 31, 2021, 03:58:27 PM
Honestly boys need to shut up about Castlewellan, Newry, Downpatrick etc..  We've a strong squad who cares were players are from.. 7 starters were from East Down clubs and arguably the 3 best players on the night were from East Down.

Castlewellan haven't won a championship since the 90s same as RGU and a Newry club hasn't won a SFC since the 60s. It's 2021 stop living in the past.

And Down haven't won anything since 1994.......
.......McKenna Cup?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 01, 2021, 12:27:38 AM
Quote from: thebar on July 31, 2021, 10:22:59 PM
Quote from: befair on July 31, 2021, 04:51:27 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 31, 2021, 03:58:27 PM
Honestly boys need to shut up about Castlewellan, Newry, Downpatrick etc..  We've a strong squad who cares were players are from.. 7 starters were from East Down clubs and arguably the 3 best players on the night were from East Down.

Castlewellan haven't won a championship since the 90s same as RGU and a Newry club hasn't won a SFC since the 60s. It's 2021 stop living in the past.

And Down haven't won anything since 1994.......
.......McKenna Cup?
Which proves my point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 01, 2021, 10:08:21 PM
Disgraceful scenes at the end of the minor league final today in Mayobridge.. Burren win the game easily but started an absolute melee.. these clubs need to be held to account like Ballyholland and Downpatrick were a few years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 02, 2021, 08:33:54 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 01, 2021, 10:08:21 PM
Disgraceful scenes at the end of the minor league final today in Mayobridge.. Burren win the game easily but started an absolute melee.. these clubs need to be held to account like Ballyholland and Downpatrick were a few years ago.


sssshhh move on.. nothing to see here, two of the so-called superclubs, nothing will be done about it. The videos did not look too kind though.

Well done to u20 team, that setup should be moved to senior ASAP, does anyone know if Conor and team are interested in going?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 02, 2021, 08:42:21 AM
Looking through the results from the weekend, Newry Mitchells have not played a game. Have we lost one of our most famous clubs? Home of the great Sean O'Neill.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 02, 2021, 08:58:28 AM
Let's move on from the terrible scenes at yesterday's match
Supporters subs players all involved
Let's try brush it under the carpet
I wonder wil the county board come down on them like they did Ballyholland and Downpatrick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 02, 2021, 09:22:26 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 02, 2021, 08:58:28 AM
Let's move on from the terrible scenes at yesterday's match
Supporters subs players all involved
Let's try brush it under the carpet
I wonder wil the county board come down on them like they did Ballyholland and Downpatrick

Was it that bad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on August 02, 2021, 12:48:29 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 02, 2021, 08:42:21 AM
Looking through the results from the weekend, Newry Mitchells have not played a game. Have we lost one of our most famous clubs? Home of the great Sean O'Neill.

Looks like their game is off again tonight. Annoyingly, the Down website doesn't post the game as being cancelled, they just remove the referee from the fixture and leave the game up as if it was going ahead. To some, it might look like the game is still going to be played so that's misleading. I can imagine some supporters still travel to games on the back of it so I'd imagine some frustrated fans.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 02, 2021, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 02, 2021, 08:33:54 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 01, 2021, 10:08:21 PM
Disgraceful scenes at the end of the minor league final today in Mayobridge.. Burren win the game easily but started an absolute melee.. these clubs need to be held to account like Ballyholland and Downpatrick were a few years ago.


sssshhh move on.. nothing to see here, two of the so-called superclubs, nothing will be done about it. The videos did not look too kind though.

Well done to u20 team, that setup should be moved to senior ASAP, does anyone know if Conor and team are interested in going?

Is Conor interested? Where have you been living the past 4 days it's the biggest propaganda drive on social media since the US presidential election campaign. Conor and his Kilcoo compadres are beautifully construing an image of this angelic figure who has all of a sudden has been touched by an angel. The club championship is only around the corner, it won't be long before the mask slips. Never forget!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 02, 2021, 01:08:25 PM
Any predictions for tonight's games, I am looking forward to watching the two best teams in the league play in Kilcoo tonight. It should be a cracker
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 02, 2021, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 02, 2021, 09:22:26 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 02, 2021, 08:58:28 AM
Let's move on from the terrible scenes at yesterday's match
Supporters subs players all involved
Let's try brush it under the carpet
I wonder wil the county board come down on them like they did Ballyholland and Downpatrick

Was it that bad?

Any melee or encroachment of the field by non-players should be considered as 'bad'. Too often our games descend into an episode of the 3 Muskateers when really the isolated incident would fizzle out fairly quickly. And in this instance it was a children's match!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 02, 2021, 02:28:11 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 02, 2021, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 02, 2021, 09:22:26 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 02, 2021, 08:58:28 AM
Let's move on from the terrible scenes at yesterday's match
Supporters subs players all involved
Let's try brush it under the carpet
I wonder wil the county board come down on them like they did Ballyholland and Downpatrick

Was it that bad?

Any melee or encroachment of the field by non-players should be considered as 'bad'. Too often our games descend into an episode of the 3 Muskateers when really the isolated incident would fizzle out fairly quickly. And in this instance it was a children's match!

There will be no punishment for the two clubs, we all know that certain clubs in the county get preferential treatment when it comes to suspensions and hearings.  If that was RGU in those videos yesterday it would have been a different story and would be front-page news in the Irish news.

But if supporters had contributed to a fight then there should be consistent action taken . But we never get consistency.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 02, 2021, 04:25:43 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 02, 2021, 08:33:54 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 01, 2021, 10:08:21 PM
Disgraceful scenes at the end of the minor league final today in Mayobridge.. Burren win the game easily but started an absolute melee.. these clubs need to be held to account like Ballyholland and Downpatrick were a few years ago.


sssshhh move on.. nothing to see here, two of the so-called superclubs, nothing will be done about it. The videos did not look too kind though.


Have you a link?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 02, 2021, 06:44:32 PM
Quote from: befair on August 02, 2021, 04:25:43 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 02, 2021, 08:33:54 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 01, 2021, 10:08:21 PM
Disgraceful scenes at the end of the minor league final today in Mayobridge.. Burren win the game easily but started an absolute melee.. these clubs need to be held to account like Ballyholland and Downpatrick were a few years ago.


sssshhh move on.. nothing to see here, two of the so-called superclubs, nothing will be done about it. The videos did not look too kind though.


Have you a link?

I'll take one as well lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 02, 2021, 11:30:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 02, 2021, 01:08:25 PM
Any predictions for tonight's games, I am looking forward to watching the two best teams in the league play in Kilcoo tonight. It should be a cracker

It was some game.. We definitely have their mark in these games and a bit more belief we will take them in the championship too.. Clonduff look like pace setters at minute.. playing weakened teams due to injuries and winning games is good sign of a strong panel.. Rostrevor struggling as expected and apparently the blues had the unbeatable Burren beaten and let it slip in injury time..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 03, 2021, 08:48:15 AM
Kilcoo had a good team out minus a few regulars but apparently so did the Point but the victors seemed to look sharper, Kilcoo will get stronger for the championship but on last night's performance, they will not cakewalk it like previous years. I always rated Mulholland as a manager and he seems to have steel in the Point this season.

A prominent county board member told me last night that there will be repercussions for the brawl at Sunday's minor league final and the talk is that they could be expelled from the championship. Apparently, county board is sick of clubs fighting and bringing the good name of the county into disrepute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 03, 2021, 09:18:31 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 03, 2021, 08:48:15 AM
Kilcoo had a good team out minus a few regulars but apparently so did the Point but the victors seemed to look sharper, Kilcoo will get stronger for the championship but on last night's performance, they will not cakewalk it like previous years. I always rated Mulholland as a manager and he seems to have steel in the Point this season.

A prominent county board member told me last night that there will be repercussions for the brawl at Sunday's minor league final and the talk is that they could be expelled from the championship. Apparently, county board is sick of clubs fighting and bringing the good name of the county into disrepute.
Prominent ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 03, 2021, 09:24:35 AM
Was up watching Kilcoo CPN game last night. Have to say, lots of missed chances from both teams and they'll both probably be happy enough with the result tbf. Kilcoo will have bigger fish to fry than a league game at the start of the year, they haven't traditionally started the league that strongly...they'll hit their stride in about 3/4weeks I'd imagine.

Was very impressed with our lads though tbf, both teams missing a good few players that will make a big impact if fit and available later in the year. Kilcoo being kept to one point in the second half was not like them at all and they badly lost their discipline near the end with one Brannigan being black carded and the other sent off for a kick. Magpies didn't get out of 2nd or 3rd gear but neither did Warrenpoint. Good start to the league for our lads, very tough few fixtures coming up though against Burren, Yellas and Bridge.

Clonduff seem to be flying and Harps ticking along OK too, Rostrevor got a fair pasting last night at home which was surprising, anyone at the game? Also Loughinisland getting it very tight atm, are they missing many men? Know Flynn wrecked himself but surely they should still be competitive enough with the talent at their disposal?

Mayobridge getting pipped by Burren at the death which seems to be an annual occurence now, whether it's a last minute goal or point-they never seem to be able to see it over the line. What was the report from that game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 03, 2021, 09:34:38 AM
Also, side note...Out of ten games played in Div1 so far, 9 of them have been won by the away side...any particular reason for that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 03, 2021, 09:38:54 AM
Quote from: upandwin on August 03, 2021, 09:34:38 AM
Also, side note...Out of ten games played in Div1 so far, 9 of them have been won by the away side...any particular reason for that?

It's just numbers being numbers. Live long enough and you'll see 6 numbers in a row come out in the lotto.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 03, 2021, 09:49:47 AM
Fair...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 03, 2021, 09:51:06 AM
Quote from: upandwin on August 03, 2021, 09:24:35 AM
Was up watching Kilcoo CPN game last night. Have to say, lots of missed chances from both teams and they'll both probably be happy enough with the result tbf. Kilcoo will have bigger fish to fry than a league game at the start of the year, they haven't traditionally started the league that strongly...they'll hit their stride in about 3/4weeks I'd imagine.

Was very impressed with our lads though tbf, both teams missing a good few players that will make a big impact if fit and available later in the year. Kilcoo being kept to one point in the second half was not like them at all and they badly lost their discipline near the end with one Brannigan being black carded and the other sent off for a kick. Magpies didn't get out of 2nd or 3rd gear but neither did Warrenpoint. Good start to the league for our lads, very tough few fixtures coming up though against Burren, Yellas and Bridge.

Clonduff seem to be flying and Harps ticking along OK too, Rostrevor got a fair pasting last night at home which was surprising, anyone at the game? Also Loughinisland getting it very tight atm, are they missing many men? Know Flynn wrecked himself but surely they should still be competitive enough with the talent at their disposal?

Mayobridge getting pipped by Burren at the death which seems to be an annual occurence now, whether it's a last minute goal or point-they never seem to be able to see it over the line. What was the report from that game?


Could this be the year that Clonduff finally clicks, I always think on paper they have a great squad but always seem to shit the nest at big stages. They are crying out for a good defense and goalie.  I am so looking forward to our championships, I think we will be in for a treat and although Kilcoo will be favourites I think there will be 6/7 teams that will fancy their chances on any given day provided they get a favourable run.

Kilcoo, Burren, CPN, Clonduff, Bridge and possibly Ballyholand and Carryduff could win a Down senior football championship this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 03, 2021, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 03, 2021, 09:51:06 AM
Quote from: upandwin on August 03, 2021, 09:24:35 AM
Was up watching Kilcoo CPN game last night. Have to say, lots of missed chances from both teams and they'll both probably be happy enough with the result tbf. Kilcoo will have bigger fish to fry than a league game at the start of the year, they haven't traditionally started the league that strongly...they'll hit their stride in about 3/4weeks I'd imagine.

Was very impressed with our lads though tbf, both teams missing a good few players that will make a big impact if fit and available later in the year. Kilcoo being kept to one point in the second half was not like them at all and they badly lost their discipline near the end with one Brannigan being black carded and the other sent off for a kick. Magpies didn't get out of 2nd or 3rd gear but neither did Warrenpoint. Good start to the league for our lads, very tough few fixtures coming up though against Burren, Yellas and Bridge.

Clonduff seem to be flying and Harps ticking along OK too, Rostrevor got a fair pasting last night at home which was surprising, anyone at the game? Also Loughinisland getting it very tight atm, are they missing many men? Know Flynn wrecked himself but surely they should still be competitive enough with the talent at their disposal?

Mayobridge getting pipped by Burren at the death which seems to be an annual occurence now, whether it's a last minute goal or point-they never seem to be able to see it over the line. What was the report from that game?


Could this be the year that Clonduff finally clicks, I always think on paper they have a great squad but always seem to shit the nest at big stages. They are crying out for a good defense and goalie.  I am so looking forward to our championships, I think we will be in for a treat and although Kilcoo will be favourites I think there will be 6/7 teams that will fancy their chances on any given day provided they get a favourable run.

Kilcoo, Burren, CPN, Clonduff, Bridge and possibly Ballyholand and Carryduff could win a Down senior football championship this year

No they couldn't, what are you basing this on, a couple of glorified friendlies ?

Kilcoo and at a push Burren or CPN might.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 03, 2021, 11:49:12 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on August 03, 2021, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 03, 2021, 09:51:06 AM
Quote from: upandwin on August 03, 2021, 09:24:35 AM
Was up watching Kilcoo CPN game last night. Have to say, lots of missed chances from both teams and they'll both probably be happy enough with the result tbf. Kilcoo will have bigger fish to fry than a league game at the start of the year, they haven't traditionally started the league that strongly...they'll hit their stride in about 3/4weeks I'd imagine.

Was very impressed with our lads though tbf, both teams missing a good few players that will make a big impact if fit and available later in the year. Kilcoo being kept to one point in the second half was not like them at all and they badly lost their discipline near the end with one Brannigan being black carded and the other sent off for a kick. Magpies didn't get out of 2nd or 3rd gear but neither did Warrenpoint. Good start to the league for our lads, very tough few fixtures coming up though against Burren, Yellas and Bridge.

Clonduff seem to be flying and Harps ticking along OK too, Rostrevor got a fair pasting last night at home which was surprising, anyone at the game? Also Loughinisland getting it very tight atm, are they missing many men? Know Flynn wrecked himself but surely they should still be competitive enough with the talent at their disposal?

Mayobridge getting pipped by Burren at the death which seems to be an annual occurence now, whether it's a last minute goal or point-they never seem to be able to see it over the line. What was the report from that game?


Could this be the year that Clonduff finally clicks, I always think on paper they have a great squad but always seem to shit the nest at big stages. They are crying out for a good defense and goalie.  I am so looking forward to our championships, I think we will be in for a treat and although Kilcoo will be favourites I think there will be 6/7 teams that will fancy their chances on any given day provided they get a favourable run.

Kilcoo, Burren, CPN, Clonduff, Bridge and possibly Ballyholand and Carryduff could win a Down senior football championship this year

No they couldn't, what are you basing this on, a couple of glorified friendlies ?

Kilcoo and at a push Burren or CPN might.

I am basing it on that when it comes to knock out football any of them teams can beat each other. ae you saying Clonduff could not beat Burren team when the get stuck into them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 03, 2021, 11:54:01 AM
On another note, Dromara had a great win over St Pauls. Division 4 is going to go to the final day, Bright seem to be on the way up again. Great to see
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 03, 2021, 12:11:47 PM
I certainly believe Clonduff could beat Burren or Burren could get caught by one of the other teams you mentioned but other than CPN or Burren I haven't seen any evidence that the teams you mentioned have the quality to beat Kilcoo in championship semi final or final.

The back door systems also provides the "better" teams with a second chance if they have an off day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 03, 2021, 12:18:08 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on August 03, 2021, 12:11:47 PM
I certainly believe Clonduff could beat Burren or Burren could get caught by one of the other teams you mentioned but other than CPN or Burren I haven't seen any evidence that the teams you mentioned have the quality to beat Kilcoo in championship semi final or final.

The back door systems also provides the "better" teams with a second chance if they have an off day.

Thats fair enough, I have not seen enough football in the top league to convey then.  What teams have you seen in the top division? How would you rate the top 8 teams in the county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 03, 2021, 12:38:25 PM
Kilcoo




Burren / CPN


Clonduff / Carryduff / Mayobridge

The rest

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 03, 2021, 12:44:57 PM
Fair enough, from last night's game I felt that Kilcoo just doesn't seem to be motoring as well as they were. Paul Devlin is some loss to them. I always felt he never got the credit in Kilcoo as some other players but he has been crucial to their success over the years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 03, 2021, 12:53:21 PM
They will be motoring come September.  Don't think they will lose much sleep over losing a league game here or there.

Devlin is a miss but they have plenty of strength in depth that other teams could only dream of.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 03, 2021, 01:04:35 PM
Kilcoo 4/6

Burren 5/1

Warrenpoint 5/1

Mayobridge 12/1

Carryduff 16/1

Clonduff 16/1

Ballyholland 20/1

Rostrevor 20/1

Loughinisland 25/1

Castlewellan 28/1

Bryansford 28/1

Longstone 50/1

Downpatrick 50/1

Bredagh 66/1

Glenn 80/1

Saul 80/1

odds courtesy of Paddy Power

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 03, 2021, 01:11:57 PM
Would back up what I am saying

And the bookies usually aren't far wrong  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 03, 2021, 01:59:15 PM
Burren at 5/1 is some price if they aren't going to be beaten again this year, well...after being beaten by Kilcoo that was :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The_big_bad_wolf on August 03, 2021, 09:06:55 PM
You must have been some player Lotto in your time, if you have as many medals as Paul Devlin - for I thought it was only at swimming you got medals for diving but then again jealousy effects people in different ways!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on August 03, 2021, 09:43:56 PM
Quote from: The_big_bad_wolf on August 03, 2021, 09:06:55 PM
You must have been some player Lotto in your time, if you have as many medals as Paul Devlin - for I thought it was only at swimming you got medals for diving but then again jealousy effects people in different ways!

Do we have to put the underscores in your name to quote you, it's a bit much?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on August 04, 2021, 12:48:02 AM
Quote from: Lotto on August 03, 2021, 09:43:56 PM
Quote from: The_big_bad_wolf on August 03, 2021, 09:06:55 PM
You must have been some player Lotto in your time, if you have as many medals as Paul Devlin - for I thought it was only at swimming you got medals for diving but then again jealousy effects people in different ways!

Do we have to put the underscores in your name to quote you, it's a bit much?

The lad (correctly) called you out on your toxic attitude, and that was your retort, to attack his username? Well I'll leave this famous advice here for you:
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 04, 2021, 08:41:05 AM
Lotto your shameful and faceless dig should have resulted in a ban.

I am trying to purchase tickets for Saturday's match for the children, can these be got online?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 04, 2021, 08:56:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 04, 2021, 08:41:05 AM
Lotto your shameful and faceless dig should have resulted in a ban.

I am trying to purchase tickets for Saturday's match for the children, can these be got online?
No idea what ticket allocation will be like or how many will be allowed. I hear the Down supporters club are running a bus/buses.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 04, 2021, 11:16:50 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on August 04, 2021, 08:56:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 04, 2021, 08:41:05 AM
Lotto your shameful and faceless dig should have resulted in a ban.

I am trying to purchase tickets for Saturday's match for the children, can these be got online?
No idea what ticket allocation will be like or how many will be allowed. I hear the Down supporters club are running a bus/buses.

Its near Wednesday afternoon, you would think the public could be informed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on August 04, 2021, 02:58:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 04, 2021, 11:16:50 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on August 04, 2021, 08:56:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 04, 2021, 08:41:05 AM
Lotto your shameful and faceless dig should have resulted in a ban.

I am trying to purchase tickets for Saturday's match for the children, can these be got online?
No idea what ticket allocation will be like or how many will be allowed. I hear the Down supporters club are running a bus/buses.

Its near Wednesday afternoon, you would think the public could be informed

Heard 2000 allowed in total.

By the time Croke Park, Provincial and County Boards take their cut for sponsors etc. Players/Coaches and their families get their allocation there could only be a few hundred left for general sale.

With so few they might just distribute them all through the clubs - keep an eye on the Down social media is best bet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on August 04, 2021, 03:07:59 PM
Somebody was telling me earlier that the clubs are getting first dibs. Only fair I think though not a great deal available apparently
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 04, 2021, 04:13:03 PM
clubs getting 6 tickets going by Castlewellan gaa facebook, clubs getting the scraps
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 04, 2021, 04:32:25 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 04, 2021, 04:13:03 PM
clubs getting 6 tickets going by Castlewellan gaa facebook, clubs getting the scraps
Maybe you could speak again to your PROMINENT County Board member.He may assist you in obtaining a Ticket.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 05, 2021, 08:47:21 AM
BALLYHOLLAND   vs   LOUGHINISLAND
ROSTREVOR   vs   KILCOO   
CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA   vs CLONDUFF
BURREN GAC   vs   BRYANSFORD   
CARRYDUFF   vs   MAYOBRIDGE

How does everyone see this weekend's fixtures panning out? The best game on paper is Point v Yellas, think this one could be a draw....Clonduff haven't been full out and have won their first two easy enough so will be hard to beat. Home advantage might stand by Warrenpoint but they're missing some key players atm. Going for a high scoring draw

Mayobridge v Carryduff is an intriguing one, tough place to go for the Bridge and could be closer than people think...just fancy the Bridge by 2/3pts though...both teams have some really good players but the Bridge will win if Cory has a good day at the office...think Carryduff are still a bit suspect at the back

Burren should have no bother dispatching the Ford, maybe they'll take this chance to rest a few players and give fringe players game time...Burren by 10 for me.

Same for Kilcoo v Rostrevor...think Kilcoo will rest some lads and should still run out easy winners against a fairly average Reds team...Kilcoo by 7/8

Loughinisland have been missing a lot of players so far by all accounts and if they can get some lads back on the pitch they could get their first win of the season...But fancy Harps to sneak this one in a low scoring game. Going for Ballyholland by 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 05, 2021, 08:54:17 AM
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Predict the winners and runners up of each football 2021 championship


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U15
U13
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 05, 2021, 08:56:04 AM
Quote from: upandwin on August 05, 2021, 08:47:21 AM
BALLYHOLLAND   vs   LOUGHINISLAND
ROSTREVOR   vs   KILCOO   
CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA   vs CLONDUFF
BURREN GAC   vs   BRYANSFORD   
CARRYDUFF   vs   MAYOBRIDGE

How does everyone see this weekend's fixtures panning out? The best game on paper is Point v Yellas, think this one could be a draw....Clonduff haven't been full out and have won their first two easy enough so will be hard to beat. Home advantage might stand by Warrenpoint but they're missing some key players atm. Going for a high scoring draw

Mayobridge v Carryduff is an intriguing one, tough place to go for the Bridge and could be closer than people think...just fancy the Bridge by 2/3pts though...both teams have some really good players but the Bridge will win if Cory has a good day at the office...think Carryduff are still a bit suspect at the back

Burren should have no bother dispatching the Ford, maybe they'll take this chance to rest a few players and give fringe players game time...Burren by 10 for me.

Same for Kilcoo v Rostrevor...think Kilcoo will rest some lads and should still run out easy winners against a fairly average Reds team...Kilcoo by 7/8

Loughinisland have been missing a lot of players so far by all accounts and if they can get some lads back on the pitch they could get their first win of the season...But fancy Harps to sneak this one in a low scoring game. Going for Ballyholland by 2

Ballyholland, Kilcoo, CPN, Burren, Draw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 05, 2021, 10:05:20 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 05, 2021, 08:54:17 AM
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Predict the winners and runners up of each football 2021 championship


SFC
IFC
JFC
PRFC
RFC

U17
U15
U13

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 05, 2021, 11:10:48 AM
Predict the winners and runners up of each football 2021 championship

Winners first, runner up second

SFC Kilcoo Clonduff
IFC Kingdom Liatroim
JFC Aughlisnafin Bright
PRFC Carryduff Kilcoo
RFC Mayobridge Carryduff

U17 Burren Bryansford
U15 Mayobridge Bredagh
U13 Byransford Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 05, 2021, 12:55:32 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on August 04, 2021, 02:58:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 04, 2021, 11:16:50 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on August 04, 2021, 08:56:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 04, 2021, 08:41:05 AM
Lotto your shameful and faceless dig should have resulted in a ban.

I am trying to purchase tickets for Saturday's match for the children, can these be got online?
No idea what ticket allocation will be like or how many will be allowed. I hear the Down supporters club are running a bus/buses.

Its near Wednesday afternoon, you would think the public could be informed

Heard 2000 allowed in total.

By the time Croke Park, Provincial and County Boards take their cut for sponsors etc. Players/Coaches and their families get their allocation there could only be a few hundred left for general sale.

With so few they might just distribute them all through the clubs - keep an eye on the Down social media is best bet.
2000 in a ground that holds 25k. Madness to be honest. How big an attendance would this get in normal times plus it's a ground totally open to the elements. Really disappointing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 05, 2021, 02:06:07 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 05, 2021, 11:10:48 AM
Predict the winners and runners up of each football 2021 championship

Winners first, runner up second

SFC Kilcoo Clonduff
IFC Kingdom Liatroim
JFC Aughlisnafin Bright
PRFC Carryduff Kilcoo
RFC Mayobridge Carryduff

U17 Burren Bryansford
U15 Mayobridge Bredagh
U13 Byransford Burren

Bright are still Intermediate

SFC - Burren - Mayobridge
IFC - Liatroim - An Riocht
JFC - A'Finn - Ardglass
PRFC - Carryduff - Kilcoo
RFC - M'Bridge - Carryduff
U17 - Burren - M'Bridge
U15 - Warrenpoint - M'Bridge
U13 - Burren - Bryansford

(Underage is just based on league results as I wouldn't be too familiar with most of the teams)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 05, 2021, 03:03:09 PM
SFC - Kilcoo - CPN
IFC - Liatroim - An Riocht
JFC - A'Finn - Ardglass
PRFC - Kilcoo - Burren
RFC - M'Bridge - CPN
U17 - Burren - M'Bridge
U15 - M'Bridge - CPN
U13 - Burren - Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 06, 2021, 08:49:56 AM
Was Burren and Ford U15 0.00 to 0.00 last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 06, 2021, 08:55:58 AM
Abandoned. Something needs to be done about these underage matches. I see a blind eye has been turned to Sunday. No doubt last nights abandoned match will also

On another note I see Danny Hughes calling for a John McEntee type manager to come into Down. Surely we are now past this? We need a man who will take control of 17s 20s and seniors and knows what's around the County

I don't see why the under 20 management can't step straight in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 06, 2021, 09:04:07 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 06, 2021, 08:55:58 AM
Abandoned. Something needs to be done about these underage matches. I see a blind eye has been turned to Sunday. No doubt last nights abandoned match will also

On another note I see Danny Hughes calling for a John McEntee type manager to come into Down. Surely we are now past this? We need a man who will take control of 17s 20s and seniors and knows what's around the County

I don't see why the under 20 management can't step straight in

Abandoned? Why? Do not tell half a story Smurfy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 06, 2021, 11:04:06 AM
Smurfy you have left a bigger cliffhanger than an episode of Eastenders!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 07, 2021, 06:20:47 PM
Good luck to the U20s tonight. I'm sure they will do us proud.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 07, 2021, 08:48:02 PM
Disappointing night, Down were in control and looked to have the match won but unfortunately the lads just seemed to be running on empty for the last 10/15 mins. The extra time win over monaghan clearly still in the legs in the heavy conditions.
We probably should have been further ahead but for some poor misses and shot selection. Hopefully still a big future ahead in the Down jersey for some of these young fellas.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 07, 2021, 08:55:28 PM
Disappointing end to a great U20 campaign.  They were a joy to watch. Missed alot of scores tonight like the ulster final but looked like they would get over the line. But Roscommon stuck to the task and simply took their scores. Down failed to take easy scores and paid the price for that. A lot of good footballers there no need to rush them in to senior yet or the management. It would stand to Down in future if this management team stayed in place for the next year or 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SuperRed on August 07, 2021, 09:46:15 PM
The lads have done superbly to win an Ulster Championship... Maybe the extra time last week just saw us run out of steam. Plenty to be proud and excited about moving forward. Thought the conditions took their toll and Roscommon just had that little bit extra in the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on August 07, 2021, 10:27:55 PM
Both sides missed plenty of chances, but the points from relatively easy positions which went astray when we were three up in the final quarter were crucial. Our discipline was excellent in Ulster so it is a pity that it disappeared in the closing stages today. However, a provincial championship is a rare achievement for Down at any level so congratulations to everyone involved in a great run which for the first time in quite a while has provided us with some excellent senior prospects. The fact that Roscommon had two weeks to prepare, while we were taken to extra time a week ago, was pretty clearly a factor. Our generally poor record on heavy pitches is a debate for another day, so good luck in the final to a fine Roscommon team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 07, 2021, 10:50:11 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 07, 2021, 08:48:02 PM
Disappointing night, Down were in control and looked to have the match won but unfortunately the lads just seemed to be running on empty for the last 10/15 mins. The extra time win over monaghan clearly still in the legs in the heavy conditions.
We probably should have been further ahead but for some poor misses and shot selection. Hopefully still a big future ahead in the Down jersey for some of these young fellas.

Seriously??? The team beat Fermanagh, Cavan and Monaghan on route to an Ulster title.. meanwhile the big hitters Donegal, Tyrone, Derry were all in the other side of the draw Batein lumps outta each other.. still in the legs after extra time - every dog on the street knows they have been training since January in the parks around the county. Legs shudnt be a problem in their 4th game of a campaign...

I think tonight we were found out on the pitch and on the line. Some of the substitutions made were baffling - mccusker and Clarke offer zero off the bench IMO but club blood runs thicker than county water... our discipline was appalling in the tackle and shot selection was poor too..
unfortunately a number of these lads will probably be rushed thru to senior now and in all fairness probably only 3/4 of them are fit for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 07, 2021, 11:34:09 PM
Should have won it; 3 pts up and missed a series of easy scores. Once Johnson got the red card we totally folded, and acting like babies at the end of the game reflected the general lack of discipline
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 07, 2021, 11:38:56 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 07, 2021, 10:50:11 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 07, 2021, 08:48:02 PM
Disappointing night, Down were in control and looked to have the match won but unfortunately the lads just seemed to be running on empty for the last 10/15 mins. The extra time win over monaghan clearly still in the legs in the heavy conditions.
We probably should have been further ahead but for some poor misses and shot selection. Hopefully still a big future ahead in the Down jersey for some of these young fellas.

Seriously??? The team beat Fermanagh, Cavan and Monaghan on route to an Ulster title.. meanwhile the big hitters Donegal, Tyrone, Derry were all in the other side of the draw Batein lumps outta each other.. still in the legs after extra time - every dog on the street knows they have been training since January in the parks around the county. Legs shudnt be a problem in their 4th game of a campaign...

I think tonight we were found out on the pitch and on the line. Some of the substitutions made were baffling - mccusker and Clarke offer zero off the bench IMO but club blood runs thicker than county water... our discipline was appalling in the tackle and shot selection was poor too..
unfortunately a number of these lads will probably be rushed thru to senior now and in all fairness probably only 3/4 of them are fit for it.
interesting the couple of fellas you named out of the entire panel are from a certain club, think it's clear you have an agenda. Last week's match was both mentally and physically exhausting and clearly had an impact in last 10 minutes.
Knock yourself with the negativity if it makes you feel better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 07, 2021, 11:45:34 PM
Quote from: befair on August 07, 2021, 11:34:09 PM
Should have won it; 3 pts up and missed a series of easy scores. Once Johnson got the red card we totally folded, and acting like babies at the end of the game reflected the general lack of discipline
Quote from: befair on August 07, 2021, 11:34:09 PM
Should have won it; 3 pts up and missed a series of easy scores. Once Johnson got the red card we totally folded, and acting like babies at the end of the game reflected the general lack of discipline
the match was already going against us before Johnsons red card. General lack of discipline?? Acting like babies? They're young fellas who were frustrated the result was going against them, go to any underage match in the county where there's something on the line and you'll see a lot worse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 07, 2021, 11:50:54 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 07, 2021, 11:38:56 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 07, 2021, 10:50:11 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 07, 2021, 08:48:02 PM
Disappointing night, Down were in control and looked to have the match won but unfortunately the lads just seemed to be running on empty for the last 10/15 mins. The extra time win over monaghan clearly still in the legs in the heavy conditions.
We probably should have been further ahead but for some poor misses and shot selection. Hopefully still a big future ahead in the Down jersey for some of these young fellas.

Seriously??? The team beat Fermanagh, Cavan and Monaghan on route to an Ulster title.. meanwhile the big hitters Donegal, Tyrone, Derry were all in the other side of the draw Batein lumps outta each other.. still in the legs after extra time - every dog on the street knows they have been training since January in the parks around the county. Legs shudnt be a problem in their 4th game of a campaign...

I think tonight we were found out on the pitch and on the line. Some of the substitutions made were baffling - mccusker and Clarke offer zero off the bench IMO but club blood runs thicker than county water... our discipline was appalling in the tackle and shot selection was poor too..
unfortunately a number of these lads will probably be rushed thru to senior now and in all fairness probably only 3/4 of them are fit for it.
interesting the couple of fellas you named out of the entire panel are from a certain club, think it's clear you have an agenda. Last week's match was both mentally and physically exhausting and clearly had an impact in last 10 minutes.
Knock yourself with the negativity if it makes you feel better.

No agenda needed against any club, you only have to look at the captain and the KK blinkers that ultimately cost him the down job but if rumours are to believed our first choice has turned it down, hope it doesn't make the press and turn this into a chaos as before.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 07, 2021, 11:56:33 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 07, 2021, 11:50:54 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 07, 2021, 11:38:56 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 07, 2021, 10:50:11 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 07, 2021, 08:48:02 PM
Disappointing night, Down were in control and looked to have the match won but unfortunately the lads just seemed to be running on empty for the last 10/15 mins. The extra time win over monaghan clearly still in the legs in the heavy conditions.
We probably should have been further ahead but for some poor misses and shot selection. Hopefully still a big future ahead in the Down jersey for some of these young fellas.

Seriously??? The team beat Fermanagh, Cavan and Monaghan on route to an Ulster title.. meanwhile the big hitters Donegal, Tyrone, Derry were all in the other side of the draw Batein lumps outta each other.. still in the legs after extra time - every dog on the street knows they have been training since January in the parks around the county. Legs shudnt be a problem in their 4th game of a campaign...

I think tonight we were found out on the pitch and on the line. Some of the substitutions made were baffling - mccusker and Clarke offer zero off the bench IMO but club blood runs thicker than county water... our discipline was appalling in the tackle and shot selection was poor too..
unfortunately a number of these lads will probably be rushed thru to senior now and in all fairness probably only 3/4 of them are fit for it.
interesting the couple of fellas you named out of the entire panel are from a certain club, think it's clear you have an agenda. Last week's match was both mentally and physically exhausting and clearly had an impact in last 10 minutes.
Knock yourself with the negativity if it makes you feel better.

No agenda needed against any club, you only have to look at the captain and the KK blinkers that ultimately cost him the down job but if rumours are to believed our first choice has turned it down, hope it doesn't make the press and turn this into a chaos as before.
no agenda against any club but....
Down u20s won an Ulster title, something which many Down underage teams have failed to do over last 20 years but as soon as they're beat people queue up to have a go against manager and certain players, pathetic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SuperRed on August 07, 2021, 11:56:47 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 07, 2021, 11:45:34 PM
Quote from: befair on August 07, 2021, 11:34:09 PM
Should have won it; 3 pts up and missed a series of easy scores. Once Johnson got the red card we totally folded, and acting like babies at the end of the game reflected the general lack of discipline
Quote from: befair on August 07, 2021, 11:34:09 PM
Should have won it; 3 pts up and missed a series of easy scores. Once Johnson got the red card we totally folded, and acting like babies at the end of the game reflected the general lack of discipline
the match was already going against us before Johnsons red card. General lack of discipline?? Acting like babies? They're young fellas who were frustrated the result was going against them, go to any underage match in the county where there's something on the line and you'll see a lot worse.

Would tend to agree with the above... It's something that happens in games of the nature. Sides are later to the challenge and momentum carries men on the up into the ball... Frustration grows and the time ebbs away - and then a bit of petulance. Not wanted in the game, but will never really see an end to it. Pride, frustration and a scent of defeat is a very potent tonic.

With six minutes of added time, I felt we could have been a little more patient and worked a score at a time where we were maybe a point adrift but Roscommon had their tails up and it wasn't to be. Be good to see these lads progress with their clubs over the next couple of months and keep the progession moving.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 08, 2021, 08:34:43 AM
The bitterness on here from certain posters is ridiculous. Down were gone in that last 12 to 15 mins. Poor shot selection prob cost us. Roscommon dug in and kept plugging away and got the reward. We gifted them a few scores to keep them in touch at times and the goal they ran through Down. But the big failing was not popping the ball over the bar from scoreable positions, something a Tyrone or Kerry wouldve done. And same failing nearly cost them in the Ulster Final. Slagging off the opposition that Doen played in Ulster is Laughable. I think that Monaghan team won an ulster minor. The positive surges forward were great to see, no cross field and passing back that the seniors constantly do. There are a lot of good players there that experience and maturity will advance them. They will be gutted. I wonder how many will be around for U20 again next year. I wouldnt be rushing them into a senior set up just yet. And I'd keep the management as is with the U20s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 08, 2021, 08:44:23 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 07, 2021, 11:50:54 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 07, 2021, 11:38:56 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 07, 2021, 10:50:11 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 07, 2021, 08:48:02 PM
Disappointing night, Down were in control and looked to have the match won but unfortunately the lads just seemed to be running on empty for the last 10/15 mins. The extra time win over monaghan clearly still in the legs in the heavy conditions.
We probably should have been further ahead but for some poor misses and shot selection. Hopefully still a big future ahead in the Down jersey for some of these young fellas.

Seriously??? The team beat Fermanagh, Cavan and Monaghan on route to an Ulster title.. meanwhile the big hitters Donegal, Tyrone, Derry were all in the other side of the draw Batein lumps outta each other.. still in the legs after extra time - every dog on the street knows they have been training since January in the parks around the county. Legs shudnt be a problem in their 4th game of a campaign...

I think tonight we were found out on the pitch and on the line. Some of the substitutions made were baffling - mccusker and Clarke offer zero off the bench IMO but club blood runs thicker than county water... our discipline was appalling in the tackle and shot selection was poor too..
unfortunately a number of these lads will probably be rushed thru to senior now and in all fairness probably only 3/4 of them are fit for it.
interesting the couple of fellas you named out of the entire panel are from a certain club, think it's clear you have an agenda. Last week's match was both mentally and physically exhausting and clearly had an impact in last 10 minutes.
Knock yourself with the negativity if it makes you feel better.

No agenda needed against any club, you only have to look at the captain and the KK blinkers that ultimately cost him the down job but if rumours are to believed our first choice has turned it down, hope it doesn't make the press and turn this into a chaos as before.
What do you mean from the above? What cost who the Down job? And who was the 1st choice as new senior manager??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 08, 2021, 10:11:21 AM
A great campaign
Unlucky in defeat last night
Now appoint this management team for the senior post
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 08, 2021, 10:53:17 AM
That was so disappointing.

People seems to be focused on the last 10 minutes, but that's not where the game was lost. With that breeze we needed to post a bigger margin by half time. Our forwards kicked us out of it, all of them in turn, and with the benefit of hindsight there could be an argument that the forwards were all too similar in style - and putting a couple of workhorses in instead might have favourably changed the onus of the forward line. Football is much easier in hindsight to be fair.

Roscommon were really quite tidy. Very quick and very well organised at the back.

Our first Ulster championship team at any level since forever though. Let's hope we are finally pointing in the right direction again.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SuperRed on August 08, 2021, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 08, 2021, 10:11:21 AM
A great campaign
Unlucky in defeat last night
Now appoint this management team for the senior post

Conor Laverty will no doubt manage Down in the future, if he wants it - I would maybe give him another year or two at U20s... unless there is noone else that can viably manage the senior side with experience and vision.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 08, 2021, 01:02:43 PM
Would a transition in the senior for Laverty with say a Pete McGrath type be an option while also staying in charge of U20s? Prob too much as he is also in charge of GAA at trinity and still plays for kilcoo. Incidentally he may take the kilcoo job before Down seniors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on August 08, 2021, 01:17:18 PM
Win with humility lose with dignity, bit of a shambolic ending to a game we should have won , some poor decisions taken in front of goal but there were a lot of positives, management should be asked to stay for a couple of seasons , something similar for u17 s and we just might develop a senior team capable of competing for silverware, congrats to management and team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on August 08, 2021, 03:08:28 PM
Yep it was bitterly disappointing after the highs of the Athletic Grounds. Both players and management will know that game was there for the taking. We panicked too soon but hopefully will learn from it; my only criticism is that we don't need the theatrical protestations of innocence when both red cards were clear. If you give it out you've got to take it; That's one cynical importation from other counties we can do without.

Anyway, good to have an Ulster title for the first time in 12 years and well done to all the players and management for a serious commitment of time and effort.
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Post by: befair on August 08, 2021, 04:15:02 PM
Great to have an Ulster title, but the petulance at the end really let us down; these lads will encounter many disappointments in life, and losing a football match will be the least of these. It also sets a bad example to younger players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 08, 2021, 08:05:28 PM
Quote from: befair on August 08, 2021, 04:15:02 PM
Great to have an Ulster title, but the petulance at the end really let us down; these lads will encounter many disappointments in life, and losing a football match will be the least of these. It also sets a bad example to younger players.
jeeesus, have a day off ffs. The stuff at the end was nothing more than handbags. Young fellas full of frustration pushing and squaring up to each.other. You see it every week, doesn't make it right but to go on about setting a bad example and bigger disappointments in life, talk about an overreaction. Seems like some posters look for any excuse to have a go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 08, 2021, 08:39:00 PM
You are right Sheedy, it happens every week, every week in Kilcoo, eye gouging an opponent is up there with spitting, the lowest of the low but is anyone really that surprised with this carry on. The player in question, and his manager and his club have plenty of history and it just seems to happen all too often. Thought it would have taken till at least the club championship for the mask to slip but it only took a week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 08, 2021, 09:09:54 PM
Wow. Just wow. One Kilcoo player was rash with that challenge. The card could well have been yellow at the same time. The other was a Clonduff player so how Kilcoo get the rap is beyond me. I'm tears of the actual game, couple of key decisions cost them, not sure any sub contributed more than those they replaced.
I don't buy they are young lads who are disappointed, they've been playing club senior for a few years so have plenty of experience. There's always a way to show your class, even in defeat.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 09, 2021, 08:47:44 AM
It was a disappointing end to a great campaign and everyone involved should be proud. Young lads were emotive at the end and things like that happen but the eye incident which was caught twice on camera looked really nasty and I hope the young lad in question would have apologized to the Roscommon players as that could have a serious implication on a football field, football is not as important as that and we need to ensure every kid knows that.
There is a big step up from u20 to senior but there are a few there that have serious potential and  Conor and his team are the men to steer the young lads to get to senior level.


On the club front:

Division 1- It is no surprise to see the pace setters at this early stage, Clonduff is still unbeaten and they knocked Kilcoo out of premier reserve champ which will give the squad huge confidence. Rostrevor and Byransford have made poor starts with both playing each other this weekend.

Divison 2-  I can see RGU going through the league unbeaten,  the remaining spot to be the Kingdom or Longstone.

Divison 3-  Looks to be a few covid concedes but it is going to be so tight for the two promotion spots with a good few teams in contention. Shamrocks and Liatriom would be favorites.

Divison 4- Bright looking strong but again there are a few teams still in with a shout. It looks that Newry Mitchells have gone to the sword, that's very sad but with no underage structure in place it was inevitable. Newry has much more potential for Gaelic games and there should be a games development officer specifically for Newry City. Massive potential.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebuzz on August 09, 2021, 10:24:51 AM
Down should have definitely won the match and will view it as one that got away. I was sure at 1-9 to 1-6 that they had it. Couldn't believe it when they got beat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 09, 2021, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: thebuzz on August 09, 2021, 10:24:51 AM
Down should have definitely won the match and will view it as one that got away. I was sure at 1-9 to 1-6 that they had it. Couldn't believe it when they got beat.

The goal just before half time was the platform to kick on however Down never did. A mere three points in the 2nd half and two of them from frees was never going to be enough to win All Ireland semi final.

Was achievement in itself for Down to win Ulster, the antics late on was not pretty, I understand the frustration young lads would have when they knew the match was lost but there is no excuse for what Sean Óg Cusker did.
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Post by: upandwin on August 09, 2021, 11:09:15 AM
Great start to the Div1 league, some really intriguing games. Massive gulf between the top 4/5 and the rest. Clonduff, Kilcoo, CPN and Burren to fight it out as expected...though Mayobridge will feel like they can close the gap. I've seen most teams at this stage and can't see too much for Kilcoo to be concerned about...though maybe with the U20s coming back in they'll be a big help to certain clubs. Few Burren people I have spoken to reckon young Murdock will be the missing link to win them a championship this year....

Rostrevor seem to be in bad difficulty now, have they lost players this year or is this just their level now? To score 4pts in a league game is not like them...even if it is against Kilcoo. Bryansford going in the same way, they seem to be in real trouble...

Is there any chance of an upset in the Championship this year or will Kilcoo coast to another title? Hard to see anyone stopping them in their tracks...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 09, 2021, 11:19:37 AM
Quote from: upandwin on August 09, 2021, 11:09:15 AM
Great start to the Div1 league, some really intriguing games. Massive gulf between the top 4/5 and the rest. Clonduff, Kilcoo, CPN and Burren to fight it out as expected...though Mayobridge will feel like they can close the gap. I've seen most teams at this stage and can't see too much for Kilcoo to be concerned about...though maybe with the U20s coming back in they'll be a big help to certain clubs. Few Burren people I have spoken to reckon young Murdock will be the missing link to win them a championship this year....

Rostrevor seem to be in bad difficulty now, have they lost players this year or is this just their level now? To score 4pts in a league game is not like them...even if it is against Kilcoo. Bryansford going in the same way, they seem to be in real trouble...

Is there any chance of an upset in the Championship this year or will Kilcoo coast to another title? Hard to see anyone stopping them in their tracks...

I think the u20s will be a massive help to some clubs especially Clonduff and Burren.

Will McGovern play with the Harps or is that him away back to soccer?

From what I have seen it will Kilcoo to lose but a lot will fancy themselves, Top 5 are away ahead . Kilcoo, Burren, CPN, Mayobridge, Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 09, 2021, 11:32:57 AM
Quote from: thebuzz on August 09, 2021, 10:24:51 AM
Down should have definitely won the match and will view it as one that got away. I was sure at 1-9 to 1-6 that they had it. Couldn't believe it when they got beat.

Down the better team but Roscommon had two of the standout players, the number 3 and the big midfielder who kept battling away until the end and got their rewards.
Some selfish decision making and just bad luck, hitting the crossbar and the angle in the second half cost Down but with the three point lead Roscommon always threatened to close it and duly did. Down had no kick left once Roscommon took the lead.
Tired legs and tired minds.
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Post by: upandwin on August 09, 2021, 11:38:56 AM
What is the story with Clonduff team? Watched Point game and Clonduff on Friday and the yellas were the better team. Strange one though because after 20mins they emptied the bench bringing on Three O'Hagans, Ryan Brannigan and Stephen McConville...and they have two U-20s to come in as well which can only help...they just never seem to do it on the big day against Burren or Kilcoo...

Can they finally take things to the next level or will they fall away? They have so many good forwards but their defence is leaky...If the draw keep the big teams apart for the first two rounds then we could have a cracking knockout stage ahead :)
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Post by: elk on August 09, 2021, 01:35:38 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 09, 2021, 11:38:56 AM
What is the story with Clonduff team? Watched Point game and Clonduff on Friday and the yellas were the better team. Strange one though because after 20mins they emptied the bench bringing on Three O'Hagans, Ryan Brannigan and Stephen McConville...and they have two U-20s to come in as well which can only help...they just never seem to do it on the big day against Burren or Kilcoo...

Can they finally take things to the next level or will they fall away? They have so many good forwards but their defence is leaky...If the draw keep the big teams apart for the first two rounds then we could have a cracking knockout stage ahead :)
Didn't think there was a lot between them but clonduff seemed more up for it, a good draw for the Point considering they were missing 4 or 5 lads who would normally be starting. Agree with previous posters could be a tight championship this year if the better teams avoid each other in the early rounds
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Post by: SuperRed on August 09, 2021, 02:17:25 PM
Was at Rostrevor/Kilcoo on Friday night - Reds are missing quite a few players in different areas of the pitch for a number of reasons and fielded a reasonably unfamiliar side. Dylan Ward picked up a nasty enough injury very early in the game, but the Magpies have so many options and seem to be motoring along well. Kilcoo rested the Johnstons and othrrs and Aaron Brannigan, PD were unavailable etc - so they gave a number of players a good workout on a miserable enough night. At the current rate of going, there are a few teams that would be happy enough with no relegation this season and Rostrevor look like a dry run in Division One before a potential scrap next season could do them the world of good... From their point of view, you would hope they would have closer to their full hand then, but they are missing a hosy of players at the moment (of course, other teams miss players at different times and it's even happening at the minute in some teams, but Rostrevor are definitely up there with the worst in that regard when you look at it)
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Post by: upandwin on August 09, 2021, 02:41:06 PM
Relegation being scrapped has been a massive boost for Reds, Ford, Loughinisland, Harps and Carryduff...when RGU and probably the Stone come up, I think we will have a very competitive 12 team Division1...What happened Ward at the Rostrevor game? He'd be a massive miss for them if badly hurt...he's a super footballer and has become a key man for the Magpies when the chips are down in recent years. Where are all the players away to Super? I know Mooney going was a huge blow (would be to any team) but are others injured or just unable to commit?

Mayobridge might go under the radar and be happy with that...great result v Carryduff, any reports on that game? I think Burren will be the biggest beneficiary of the 20s getting beaten...Danny and Ryan Magill big additions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 09, 2021, 02:52:51 PM
How bad was Wards injury?  I know they have a great squad but Devlin and Ward are massive players for them

I said it before that Clonduff always have a great team on paper but they always shit themselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SuperRed on August 09, 2021, 03:05:15 PM
It seems to be shoulder; could be a collar bone maybe. He was taken off after some treatment on the park... Mixture of all sorts of things it would appear with Rostrevor. Work, other commitments, injuries, miscellaneous - some good men will hardly feature this season, but some other young players are showing well. You're right about the saving grace a few clubs will see with the no relegation. It even sets them up nicely for next year with the right circumstances with two sides coming up that no matter what, you'll fancy that you can get over in the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 09, 2021, 03:34:27 PM
The strong are getting stronger and the weak are getting weaker within the county. Some clubs are able to maximize their players and resources while other clubs cannot get their players on the field.

Does anyone know that reason? There seem to be areas in the county that they just live and breathe Gaelic football, other places can take it or leave it.

Would it be an idea to regionalise areas again for senior championshp?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 09, 2021, 03:37:36 PM
Quote from: SuperRed on August 09, 2021, 03:05:15 PM
It seems to be shoulder; could be a collar bone maybe. He was taken off after some treatment on the park... Mixture of all sorts of things it would appear with Rostrevor. Work, other commitments, injuries, miscellaneous - some good men will hardly feature this season, but some other young players are showing well. You're right about the saving grace a few clubs will see with the no relegation. It even sets them up nicely for next year with the right circumstances with two sides coming up that no matter what, you'll fancy that you can get over in the league.

Sorry to be blunt, but is there an issue with holding onto players in your club? Did you not have a really successful underage spell?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SuperRed on August 09, 2021, 03:52:28 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 09, 2021, 03:37:36 PM
Quote from: SuperRed on August 09, 2021, 03:05:15 PM
It seems to be shoulder; could be a collar bone maybe. He was taken off after some treatment on the park... Mixture of all sorts of things it would appear with Rostrevor. Work, other commitments, injuries, miscellaneous - some good men will hardly feature this season, but some other young players are showing well. You're right about the saving grace a few clubs will see with the no relegation. It even sets them up nicely for next year with the right circumstances with two sides coming up that no matter what, you'll fancy that you can get over in the league.

Sorry to be blunt, but is there an issue with holding onto players in your club? Did you not have a really successful underage spell?

We had a nearly two decades worth of continuous underage success, but it's a bit more complicated than not being able to hold onto players... I suppose it even comes down to costs of housing and things like that where young adults are not able to readily afford housing in Rostrevor and move to neighbouring places or further afield - particularly first buyers which would take in much of the senior age bracket - It's definitely simplistic to say that it's the only reason, but it's an issue that even falls outside of the club's ability to change. Having said that, it's definitely disappointing not to have had more success. I think the mid 00s were promising, but we probably felt the effects of our extra-time defeat to Mayobridge in the 2007 QF for a few years and lost some momentum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 09, 2021, 03:54:48 PM
Quote from: SuperRed on August 09, 2021, 03:52:28 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 09, 2021, 03:37:36 PM
Quote from: SuperRed on August 09, 2021, 03:05:15 PM
It seems to be shoulder; could be a collar bone maybe. He was taken off after some treatment on the park... Mixture of all sorts of things it would appear with Rostrevor. Work, other commitments, injuries, miscellaneous - some good men will hardly feature this season, but some other young players are showing well. You're right about the saving grace a few clubs will see with the no relegation. It even sets them up nicely for next year with the right circumstances with two sides coming up that no matter what, you'll fancy that you can get over in the league.

Sorry to be blunt, but is there an issue with holding onto players in your club? Did you not have a really successful underage spell?

We had a nearly two decades worth of continuous underage success, but it's a bit more complicated than not being able to hold onto players... I suppose it even comes down to costs of housing and things like that where young adults are not able to readily afford housing in Rostrevor and move to neighbouring places or further afield - particularly first buyers which would take in much of the senior age bracket - It's definitely simplistic to say that it's the only reason, but it's an issue that even falls outside of the club's ability to change. Having said that, it's definitely disappointing not to have had more success. I think the mid 00s were promising, but we probably felt the effects of our extra-time defeat to Mayobridge in the 2007 QF for a few years and lost some momentum.

The price of housing in Rostrevor is crazy, can anything be done about it? is there anything to stop the penioners using it as a retirement home
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SuperRed on August 09, 2021, 03:57:39 PM
Replay defeat in 2007 that should be - I don't know what can be done. There needs to be some more housing developments and less flats, but I suppose that's a question for other people
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 09, 2021, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: SuperRed on August 09, 2021, 03:57:39 PM
Replay defeat in 2007 that should be - I don't know what can be done. There needs to be some more housing developments and less flats, but I suppose that's a question for other people

The elected reps in Rostrevor need to be held accountable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SuperRed on August 09, 2021, 04:55:33 PM
Don't think anything will change in the foreseeable in that regard... Is there an official date set for the commencement of the club championships?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 09, 2021, 05:01:38 PM
Quote from: SuperRed on August 09, 2021, 04:55:33 PM
Don't think anything will change in the foreseeable in that regard... Is there an official date set for the commencement of the club championships?

Think it will be weekend of 10th-13th will be championship dates.. Week after the League, then run it off until October for County final then into Ulster/All Ireland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 09, 2021, 05:28:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 09, 2021, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: SuperRed on August 09, 2021, 03:57:39 PM
Replay defeat in 2007 that should be - I don't know what can be done. There needs to be some more housing developments and less flats, but I suppose that's a question for other people

The elected reps in Rostrevor need to be held accountable
Only if the elected reps can move Carlingford Lough inland to Mayobridge and Hilltown; being beside the sea and mountains has unforeseen consequences
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on August 09, 2021, 11:04:53 PM
I know a lad who said that for years about seaside clubs.
There's something different in the air there alright 😁
Seriously though it has a severe impact on clubs as the former players from rostrevor are heavily involved in clubs such as Clonduff especially.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 10, 2021, 10:46:38 AM
A big two points for Dromara last night, it is good to see a competitive division 4 this year, the junior championship should be good viewing. Does anyone know if championship games will be streamed this year on Pairc TV?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 11, 2021, 09:29:41 AM
What's the deal with Teconnaught nor fielding for their last two fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 12, 2021, 10:34:05 AM
Some game last night in Hilltown, Burren starting off well with Danny Magill looking promising but credit to Clonduff they kept battling and kept the pressure on when Burren seemed to back into a hole and was very ultra-defensive in last quarter but Clonduff finished the strongest. I actually thought Burren would be better but they seem to be trying younger players and I am sure it will take them time to fit into division one football. Clonduff is a team that will fancy themselves after their great start and they must have a great squad as they beat a fancied Kilcoo seconds in Premier reserves.
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Post by: SuperRed on August 12, 2021, 10:57:06 AM
I might be wrong here, but is that Clonduff's first senior title since a league/championship double in 2000? Fair play to them, as they've been a very competitive Division One side fot a very long time... Despite being in a few championship finals / semi finals in the past decade, it seems that they play their best football earlier in the season and then it all goes a little flat. Their championship record is fairly good though, and they certainly have the forward players to compete. Burren will be disappointed in the end, but as always they'll be there or thereabouts. It'll take a few years to get the younger players up to senior level - it can be a different game altogether. Disappointing to see some clubs struggling, as you say. Covid playing its part of course, but never nice to see clubs not fielding
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 12, 2021, 11:34:14 AM
I think you are right, they have a huge pick and should be winning more silverware but I fancy them to break into the Burren, point /Kilcoo bracket this year and McBride seems to have brought a freshness to them. This is the time of year you need to be coming into some sort of form and I am going to watch Kilcoo on Friday and I think they will start to turn up the gears. Big talk that Moran/Gilligan are being approached for Down job. I would be happy with that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 12, 2021, 04:56:32 PM
Good game; Hilltown looked up against it early on, but gradually dominated an ultra-defensive Burren set-up, and fully deserved to win. With Darren O'Hagan to come back in, they could be Kilcoo's biggest challengers this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 12, 2021, 05:16:52 PM
That unbeaten run of Burren going well...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on August 12, 2021, 11:14:25 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 11, 2021, 09:29:41 AM
What's the deal with Teconnaught nor fielding for their last two fixtures?

Can only assume Covid related though haven't seen anything to confirm this. They played the other games ok

No games can be postponed now so it's field or forfeit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 13, 2021, 08:30:36 AM
Quote from: befair on August 12, 2021, 04:56:32 PM
Good game; Hilltown looked up against it early on, but gradually dominated an ultra-defensive Burren set-up, and fully deserved to win. With Darren O'Hagan to come back in, they could be Kilcoo's biggest challengers this year.

Was McCorry as defensive with Kilcoo?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SuperRed on August 13, 2021, 05:05:50 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 13, 2021, 08:30:36 AM
Quote from: befair on August 12, 2021, 04:56:32 PM
Good game; Hilltown looked up against it early on, but gradually dominated an ultra-defensive Burren set-up, and fully deserved to win. With Darren O'Hagan to come back in, they could be Kilcoo's biggest challengers this year.

Was McCorry as defensive with Kilcoo?

I don't recall McCorry's Kilcoo sides being overtly defensive... I think they tailored their cloth to suit most of the time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SuperRed on August 13, 2021, 09:18:59 PM
Some interesting results tonight...
Kilcoo edge out Ballyholland by 4... 0-11 to 0-07 at Pairc Eoghain Rua.
Donagh McAleenan and Ross McGarry scored late points, as Cumann Pheadair Naofa battled back to draw in Mayobridge, 1-11 apiece. Two sides that are looking very slick so far.
Late show from Carryduff with a penalty in the final minute of normal time seeing them past Loughinisland at St. MacCartan Park... 1-11 to 0-9 after a bit of gloss was put on the result
... and Rostrevor held off a late Bryansford rally to pick up two deserved points in Newcastle... 1-10 to 2-6. Ford rooted to the bottom and Reds looking up.

Elsewhere, RGU looking very impressive in Division 2 at the moment. Themselves and Longstone my pick for promotion. Liatroim and Saval maybe in Division 3... It's looking like Covid 19 is putting paid to a lot of games, the further you venture down the leagues.

Elsewhere
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 13, 2021, 10:14:27 PM

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Was McCorry as defensive with Kilcoo?
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Don't think he was no - but think the defensive element is coming from Adams as the coach tbh.. his favourite phrase is plus one,  plus one - even when they were on the attack he was shouting this.. he was defensive with Clonduff in the past and then Down.. McCorry has it all to do in Burren - 2 defeats from the first 4 games against so called big hitters won't impress him and think they stole the win v Mayobridge- with ourselves to face them down Monday night - it could be a long August for him!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 13, 2021, 11:59:20 PM
McCorry will ok with Burren
This is Mickey Mouse stuff for the big hitters
It's challenge matches
The big concern has to be Bryansford? What has happened to this once great club?
I genuinely want to know what has happened them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Six Miles From Bangor on August 14, 2021, 01:29:28 PM
Double All Ireland winner James McCartan Snr has passed away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on August 14, 2021, 02:19:17 PM
A massive figure in Down GAA, R.I.P.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SuperRed on August 14, 2021, 06:19:26 PM
RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 16, 2021, 09:43:55 AM
Cracking game in Warrenpoint tonight, CPN v Burren. Things starting to heat up in the league over the last week or so. I'm sure Clonduff will be hoping for a Burren win tonight, they'll fancy themselves for the league title again this year after winning last year's final.

Match Ups will be interesting...both teams have been very hot and cold in the league. CPN normally struggle against the defensive systems and Burren are going as defensive as I've ever seen them in my time watching them. The U20s could be the difference tonight for Burren, if Danny Magill and young Murdock step up tonight they will be hard to beat.

Can't wait for this one...

Clonduff will surely be too strong for a Carryduff side that have a lengthy trip down to Hilltown?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 16, 2021, 03:57:48 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 16, 2021, 09:43:55 AM
Cracking game in Warrenpoint tonight, CPN v Burren. Things starting to heat up in the league over the last week or so. I'm sure Clonduff will be hoping for a Burren win tonight, they'll fancy themselves for the league title again this year after winning last year's final.

Match Ups will be interesting...both teams have been very hot and cold in the league. CPN normally struggle against the defensive systems and Burren are going as defensive as I've ever seen them in my time watching them. The U20s could be the difference tonight for Burren, if Danny Magill and young Murdock step up tonight they will be hard to beat.

Can't wait for this one...

Clonduff will surely be too strong for a Carryduff side that have a lengthy trip down to Hilltown?
Match Ups will be interesting...both teams have been very hot and cold in the league. CPN normally struggle against the defensive systems and Burren are going as defensive as I've ever seen them in my time watching them. The U20s could be the difference tonight for Burren, if Danny Magill and young Murdock step up tonight they will be hard to beat.

A lot will depend on the team Warrenpoint field, they still looked to be missing a few of their first choice players from last year against the Bridge on Friday night. Would fancy Burren for the win tonight,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 16, 2021, 10:07:53 PM
Another Burren defeat...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: shagger on August 16, 2021, 10:40:31 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 16, 2021, 10:07:53 PM
Another Burren defeat...

Great to see
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on August 16, 2021, 11:11:11 PM
I was at the game tonight. Couldn't of called with 10 minutes to go. The point just about deserved to win.
Kerr very effective. Some strange refereeing decisions for BOTH sides.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 16, 2021, 11:34:48 PM
A very good game for the neutral tonight.. I felt we just about deserved the win in the end.. With big Seàn O'Hare punching a great goal just going into added time - there was a huge relief among the faithful that we held on for the win in the end.. This used to be such a massive thing for our club - now it's just what happens!!! I thought Cormac McCartan was immense as was Ruairi McCormick - two lads that should def be playing intercounty senior football next year.. The Burren subs bench are hard to listen to - should concentrate on the game rather than abusing the referee for every call.. We are now the only unbeaten team in the division and can hopefully push on in the next few games in preparation for the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on August 17, 2021, 12:02:53 AM
A big win for Carryduff in Hilltown too, 10 point win after being 3 down at the half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 17, 2021, 08:56:00 AM
What a brilliant game in Moygannon last night. Honestly a credit to both teams and a huge crowd to boost. Strange game as I thought Warrenpoint were brilliant for the first 30mins against a hard wind and went in 3pts up. Burren came out the hungrier second half and quickly closed the gap. Burren have strong runners all over the pitch and looked very dangerous for spells. The only thing is that they are a bit predictable, it's literally just 'give the ball to Liam Kerr and see what happens'...Most matchups were pretty 50/50 and the result could've gone either way tbf...

Warrenpoint missing a few notable players, not sure if Burren were full out but seemed like they were. Previous poster mentioned Burren giving off to the ref, not sure how that could be the case...genuinely thought the referee was horrendous throughout but definitely gave CPN nothing...Lots of soft, scorable free kicks given to Burren for the slightest of infractions...It's so frustrating to see that one week you can have a referee let play go and allow loads of hits and physicality (proper order) and yet the following week, every slight touch (or in some cases just a shoulder to shoulder) is blown for a free. Anyways...shouldn't complain as I wouldn't have the balls to stand in the middle with a whistle myself but it is frustrating the lack of consistency across the board.

Last night was as good a game as I've seen this season, heart attack stuff at the end for both sets of supporters. Have to say as well both teams obviously respect each other...no s**t or sledging or crying, just two good sides going at each other start to finish.

Championship is there for a number of teams this year for the first time in a decade. Magpies the slight favourites, CPN, Clonduff, Bridge and Burren all in with a chance and all can beat each other on any given night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 17, 2021, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 16, 2021, 11:34:48 PM
A very good game for the neutral tonight.. I felt we just about deserved the win in the end.. With big Seàn O'Hare punching a great goal just going into added time - there was a huge relief among the faithful that we held on for the win in the end.. This used to be such a massive thing for our club - now it's just what happens!!! I thought Cormac McCartan was immense as was Ruairi McCormick - two lads that should def be playing intercounty senior football next year.. The Burren subs bench are hard to listen to - should concentrate on the game rather than abusing the referee for every call.. We are now the only unbeaten team in the division and can hopefully push on in the next few games in preparation for the championship.

As a neutral, i was over at the dugout side in Moygannon last and to tell you the truth both dugouts were mouths. If the players shouting were that good they should be playing!

Onto the game, Point started the better but Burren worked themselves into the game and near the end had plenty of chances to go ahead. CPN is a seasoned team and their experience showed at the end. Kilcoo won't be too worried as they are still a small bit ahead of the chasing pack which from what I saw this year are Burren, Point, Bridge, and Clonduff.
Although Carryduff had a big result in Hilltown, any reports from there as i expected Clonduff to win?  For all the money Burren has thrown at their management they are not firing on all cylinders but they are blooding a few young players so they won't panic at the minute.
That some some win for Glenn against the RGU, divison 2 is going to go to the wire.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 17, 2021, 02:47:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 17, 2021, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 16, 2021, 11:34:48 PM
A very good game for the neutral tonight.. I felt we just about deserved the win in the end.. With big Seàn O'Hare punching a great goal just going into added time - there was a huge relief among the faithful that we held on for the win in the end.. This used to be such a massive thing for our club - now it's just what happens!!! I thought Cormac McCartan was immense as was Ruairi McCormick - two lads that should def be playing intercounty senior football next year.. The Burren subs bench are hard to listen to - should concentrate on the game rather than abusing the referee for every call.. We are now the only unbeaten team in the division and can hopefully push on in the next few games in preparation for the championship.


As a neutral, i was over at the dugout side in Moygannon last and to tell you the truth both dugouts were mouths. If the players shouting were that good they should be playing!

Onto the game, Point started the better but Burren worked themselves into the game and near the end had plenty of chances to go ahead. CPN is a seasoned team and their experience showed at the end. Kilcoo won't be too worried as they are still a small bit ahead of the chasing pack which from what I saw this year are Burren, Point, Bridge, and Clonduff.
Although Carryduff had a big result in Hilltown, any reports from there as i expected Clonduff to win?  For all the money Burren has thrown at their management they are not firing on all cylinders but they are blooding a few young players so they won't panic at the minute.


That some some win for Glenn against the RGU, divison 2 is going to go to the wire.

Glenn were excellent value for their 2 points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 17, 2021, 03:05:56 PM
Will Ballyholland and Mayobridge be worth going to tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 17, 2021, 03:18:17 PM
Ballyholland will give them a game I think...they have some very good forwards to be fair to them. Is John McGovern playing GAA? See he is back with Newry so not sure if he's available for the Harps atm...

Fancy Mayobridge to beat them by 3/4pts but don't think it'll be as one-sided as people think...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 17, 2021, 10:22:29 PM
Why do Ballyholland play with such a chip on their shoulder?? They have great players individually but collectively they are not getting the best from each other.. That was shambolic tonight from them but in fairness Mayobridge were worth the victory. I honestly thought with his pedigree and underage reports that Tiernan Rushe would be a county player by now but plays with such a lack of discipline in his game it detracts from the obvious talent he has.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 17, 2021, 10:50:59 PM
What age is that lad Rush?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 18, 2021, 08:51:52 AM
The match last night was a really dour affair especially in the first half whereby Ballyholland was trying to stop the flow of the Mayobridge attack and hit on the break. In the second period once the Bridge got the goal it opened up for them and they should have won by more and capped off a solid performance with a few more goals. It was an aggressive niggly derby game but the Bridge had too much legs for them and look to be in good nick. I can't see them beating Kilcoo in the championship but I don't think they will steamroll them either.

I see Burren are down to play Rostrevor tonight, they should win that one.

Any rumours about vacant senior football championship post?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 18, 2021, 10:56:03 AM
What a terrible game of football...Ballyholland kicked a few scorable chances wide and coughed the ball up so often to the Bridge. They leave one man up on his own, felt sorry for young Murtagh as he was isolated with little or no service...

Harps never looked like they believed they could win that game and were just trying to keep the score down...which they didn't. Also, the young McGovern lad wasn't playing and that's a huge miss for them, wonder will he be available for championship? Massive loss if he's not...

Mayobridge won by 10 in second gear...they will fancy themselves for a big year ahead. I think they are maybe one forward short of really troubling Kilcoo...very reliant on Cory Quinn. Big and strong around the middle 8, Kilcoo will need a real plan for the kickouts as that's the Bridge's main threat IMO

Burren will no doubt put out a seconds team tonight as they've two games in three days...They'll rest a lot of their big hitters but they have the strength and depth to do that and comfortably beat Rostrevor tonight...The Reds are a shadow of former teams in that club, wonder when the last time was they beat Burren...

Any word on candidates for new Down Manager? Would be great if they were appointed and able to see plenty of football in Down over the next two months as things start to ramp up...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 18, 2021, 11:43:28 AM
Yes, I think there should be an appointment before the club championship so the management can get a look at the players.
Laverty and co really did give everyone a chance in the u20s whereby for years ceratin management teams failed to acknowledge the lower East Down players. I have seen a lot of football in the low leagues and there are certainly players in these divisions capable of playing for Down if giving the right program. The tops teams in Down are away ahead in strength and conditioning and have their own gyms.
I personally would like to see the u20 set up given a chance, either that or Moran/Gilligan who would have a good understanding of Down football.

I don't want us throwing money at a McEntee or the likes of those who have no affinity to Down football. We are not going to win an All-Ireland next year but we could in the next 10 if we get the right structures in place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 18, 2021, 10:49:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 18, 2021, 11:43:28 AM
Yes, I think there should be an appointment before the club championship so the management can get a look at the players.
Laverty and co really did give everyone a chance in the u20s whereby for years ceratin management teams failed to acknowledge the lower East Down players. I have seen a lot of football in the low leagues and there are certainly players in these divisions capable of playing for Down if giving the right program. The tops teams in Down are away ahead in strength and conditioning and have their own gyms.
I personally would like to see the u20 set up given a chance, either that or Moran/Gilligan who would have a good understanding of Down football.

I don't want us throwing money at a McEntee or the likes of those who have no affinity to Down football. We are not going to win an All-Ireland next year but we could in the next 10 if we get the right structures in place.

Who are these players from "lower East Down" that got such a chance this year???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 18, 2021, 10:53:02 PM
Took in the Burren v Rostrevor game tonight. My god the reds are in a poor place. Burren were shown up in their last two games but the reds failed to capitalise on this. McKernan was playing like a 22 year old on the inside line whereas he didn't get an inch against the bigger teams this year. It's a hood job there is no relegation this year or the reds would be certs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 19, 2021, 07:36:04 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 18, 2021, 10:49:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 18, 2021, 11:43:28 AM
Yes, I think there should be an appointment before the club championship so the management can get a look at the players.
Laverty and co really did give everyone a chance in the u20s whereby for years ceratin management teams failed to acknowledge the lower East Down players. I have seen a lot of football in the low leagues and there are certainly players in these divisions capable of playing for Down if giving the right program. The tops teams in Down are away ahead in strength and conditioning and have their own gyms.
I personally would like to see the u20 set up given a chance, either that or Moran/Gilligan who would have a good understanding of Down football.

I don't want us throwing money at a McEntee or the likes of those who have no affinity to Down football. We are not going to win an All-Ireland next year but we could in the next 10 if we get the right structures in place.

Who are these players from "lower East Down" that got such a chance this year???

There were lads from Saul, St Johns Drumnaquoile and Auglishnafin playing for the u20s this year. And all contributed signifigantly too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 19, 2021, 08:17:43 AM
Rostrevor hammered, as expected. They really are a poor team this year. Does anyone know the reason behind the demise? I know Mooney transferred but surely there is more to it than that? Can't remember the last time Rostrevor beat Burren in a competitive game...

Has anyone seen Carryduff this year? Could they build on a big year in 2020 and push for another good championship run or Div1 title? They got a good trimming by the Bridge at the start of the year but have gone well since, winning 4 on the trot...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 19, 2021, 08:19:43 AM
Those lads all played minor for Down and have not just started to represent Down. They are stand out players for the clubs
Don't get this about lower league players. If they are good enough to play for Down whoever the manager is will pick them
Who are these other players that should get the opportunity?
Saul and St John's both division 2
O hare and Gilmore were always great underage players for both Red High and St Colman's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 19, 2021, 08:29:09 AM


There were lads from Saul, St Johns Drumnaquoile and Auglishnafin playing for the u20s this year. And all contributed signifigantly too.
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Did Pearse Laverty and the Harney's not all get game time on the recent past? Andrew Gilmore was on the county Minors a couple of years ago and Croskery played a combined total of about 40 mins over 4 games - hardly significant.. I think your gripe is with senior management not looking at these and other lads of their elk in the past. But if Croskery for example scores 2.05 against a team bottom of division 3 or 4 - but is held scoreless v Liatroim or Saval do you honestly think he is then fit for senior intercounty football??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 19, 2021, 08:41:57 AM
Well said Johny

The top 4 teams in the Premier Reserve league would compete in division 3 and 1 of those would win the league.

It's like Liatrom shooting the lights out in division 3 but struggle in 2.
Wasn't the last team to get promoted from 3 Annaclone? Unbeaten too and struggle in 2

My point is a few stand out players in 3 should get you up


Down have always picked the players that are they best if they make themselves available and not what club they are from.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 19, 2021, 08:54:38 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 19, 2021, 08:19:43 AM
Those lads all played minor for Down and have not just started to represent Down. They are stand out players for the clubs
Don't get this about lower league players. If they are good enough to play for Down whoever the manager is will pick them
Who are these other players that should get the opportunity?
Saul and St John's both division 2
O hare and Gilmore were always great underage players for both Red High and St Colman's

All of a sudden you become smug at the lower leagues, it was not so long ago that Warrenpoint was playing lower league football. What I am saying is that the county could give the best players in the lower leagues a chance to develop physically as most clubs don't have the finances or infrastructure to compete with Burren, Kilcoo, Mayobridge, Carryduff etc

St Pauls is an up-and-coming club, players like Eastwood and Tucker are really strong footballers. I would love to see players like that put into a development junior setup to see if they could push on.

Burren beating Rostrevor last night was inevitable, but Rostrevor has four points on the board. So seeing Bryansford sitting at the bottom of the league is really sad for a club that I loved following for their swashbuckling style. They always epitomized all that is good about East Down football, especially in the 70s and 80s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 19, 2021, 09:00:33 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 19, 2021, 08:41:57 AM
Well said Johny

The top 4 teams in the Premier Reserve league would compete in division 3 and 1 of those would win the league.

It's like Liatrom shooting the lights out in division 3 but struggle in 2.
Wasn't the last team to get promoted from 3 Annaclone? Unbeaten too and struggle in 2

My point is a few stand out players in 3 should get you up


Down have always picked the players that are the best if they make themselves available and not what club they are from.


Give me the four clubs who would compete in division 3 and remember these games are being played at the same time as the senior games so teams cannot play 4/5 or 10 from the senior panel. Crossmaglen seconds are second in Armagh junior league, they do it right over there. So think about that before you talk about a reserve team winning Division 3. If Top 13s did not include past players who have emigrated 5 years ago then things would be different.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 19, 2021, 09:29:09 AM
Don't get what your point is there Truth? He isn't saying anything negative about lower league football but it raises the question now that you've brought up that point...

Take CPN as an example, they were an average (even poor) Division 2 team about 6yrs ago...hardly any representation at county level except for Ryan Boyle and Ryan Mallon....yet when they get promoted and started being more competitive then players like McAleenan and McGarry start getting their chance even though they've been playing for the last ten years...they didn't suddenly start being county material as soon as we get promoted but you aren't operating at the level needed to be considered in the lower leagues sometimes...

You need to be an absolutely exceptional talent to get plucked from lower divisions because whether you like it or not, the standard of football and pace of games is much less intense than county training never mind inter-county football. Mentally it's a big step up. Players get picked if they are massively standing out, likes of Paul McComiskey and Connaire Harrison etc.

But I'm sorry, kicking 3/4pts in a Div3/4 league game isn't going to get you called up to the Down panel. I don't think there's a bias towards players in any particular part of the county and every single manager that comes in can't be wrong all the time...

Genuine question here as I honestly don't know enough about it but Who else should there be on the 2022 panel that can be called on? I can't think of any obvious additions tbh...maybe another keeper but I don't think there's a better option than Burns or Charlie Smyth, not that I've seen anyway...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on August 19, 2021, 09:57:32 AM
What he means is that if Kilcoo, Clonduff and Mayobridge say entered a 2nd team in div 3 or 4 and the games had to be played at the same time as the 1st team it would be a completely different team than the Saturday premier reserve team. Some people can't get that. Paid senior manager would be looking 25 to 30 players togged out for him in the senior game so possibly 10 - 15 players not available for the 2nd team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 19, 2021, 10:06:27 AM
Quote from: upandwin on August 19, 2021, 09:29:09 AM
Don't get what your point is there Truth? He isn't saying anything negative about lower league football but it raises the question now that you've brought up that point...

Take CPN as an example, they were an average (even poor) Division 2 team about 6yrs ago...hardly any representation at county level except for Ryan Boyle and Ryan Mallon....yet when they get promoted and started being more competitive then players like McAleenan and McGarry start getting their chance even though they've been playing for the last ten years...they didn't suddenly start being county material as soon as we get promoted but you aren't operating at the level needed to be considered in the lower leagues sometimes...

You need to be an absolutely exceptional talent to get plucked from lower divisions because whether you like it or not, the standard of football and pace of games is much less intense than county training never mind inter-county football. Mentally it's a big step up. Players get picked if they are massively standing out, likes of Paul McComiskey and Connaire Harrison etc.

But I'm sorry, kicking 3/4pts in a Div3/4 league game isn't going to get you called up to the Down panel. I don't think there's a bias towards players in any particular part of the county and every single manager that comes in can't be wrong all the time...

Genuine question here as I honestly don't know enough about it but Who else should there be on the 2022 panel that can be called on? I can't think of any obvious additions tbh...maybe another keeper but I don't think there's a better option than Burns or Charlie Smyth, not that I've seen anyway...

Smurf said that one of the top 4 teams in premier reserve would win division 3 and I have asked the question of which team would be able to do that without their top 24 or so players every Friday night. Which of these teams would beat Saval, Shackrocks, Liatroim, Drumgath, etc etc
I think he was being very negative to the lower leagues. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 19, 2021, 11:54:21 AM
Played one of the top 4 teams in the premier reserve (mayobridge) in a pre-season friendly when I was playing with a division 4 team.. We beat them by 6 points, also Finn played Kilcoo reserves in friendlies last year or the year before and beat them.. Bit of a half-arsed uninformed comment from Smurfy there.

I don't think there are any players south of Division 2 worth looking at for the County team but if there is then let them show it when Championship comes. Croskery for example for how good he's been Finn have lost two JFC in a row.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 19, 2021, 12:20:14 PM
Also, Kilcoo reserves came to play in the Connolly cup a few years ago and never won it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 19, 2021, 12:44:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 19, 2021, 08:54:38 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 19, 2021, 08:19:43 AM
Those lads all played minor for Down and have not just started to represent Down. They are stand out players for the clubs
Don't get this about lower league players. If they are good enough to play for Down whoever the manager is will pick them
Who are these other players that should get the opportunity?
Saul and St John's both division 2
O hare and Gilmore were always great underage players for both Red High and St Colman's

All of a sudden you become smug at the lower leagues, it was not so long ago that Warrenpoint was playing lower league football. What I am saying is that the county could give the best players in the lower leagues a chance to develop physically as most clubs don't have the finances or infrastructure to compete with Burren, Kilcoo, Mayobridge, Carryduff etc

St Pauls is an up-and-coming club, players like Eastwood and Tucker are really strong footballers. I would love to see players like that put into a development junior setup to see if they could push on.

Burren beating Rostrevor last night was inevitable, but Rostrevor has four points on the board. So seeing Bryansford sitting at the bottom of the league is really sad for a club that I loved following for their swashbuckling style. They always epitomized all that is good about East Down football, especially in the 70s and 80s.

I'm referring to this...why are you pointing out about W'Point playing lower league football...don't get how his comment was smug towards lower leagues here...The seconds team for Burren, Kilcoo, Bridge and Clonduff (who are the big four clubs to most people) would absolutely be competing in Div4, not so much maybe Div3...If Kilcoo fielded a totally separate 15 on Friday nights while their seniors playd they'd still be winning games. That's not a smugness against any Div 4 teams...It's a credit to Kilcoo and Burren etc to have that depth in their clubs...Sure Mayobridge were playing seniors in friendlies and letting their seconds play their Corn an Duin games and I think they beat Liatroim, Drumgath and narrowly lost out to Carryduff and Castlewellan...those games happened on the same nights their seniors were playing...what's the big deal here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 19, 2021, 02:40:39 PM
If it looks like a smurph and sounds like a smurph.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 19, 2021, 03:21:23 PM
Look I'll say it for the last time but if the top teams in division one took their top  25 players the junior team would compete at the top end of division 4, and the only teams with numbers to do this are Burren, Kilcoo, Mayobridge, Carryduff and Clonduff, they would struggle in the top end of division 3. And I would doubt the players would want to be playing division 4 if their seniors were playing at the same time.

Onto tomorrow night, there are some humdingers over the four divisions

1. Kilcoo travel to Carryduff and can Clonduff bounce back in big local derby? The Ford must be looking to grab their first 2 points v Ballyholland

2. RGU v Castlewellan- whoever wins this will go up

3. same with Saval and Liatriom

4.  Killief v Bright in top of the table clash, again whoever wins this will have one foot in division 3. Eugene O'Hare is an experienced ref and the right man for this fixture.

It would be great if Down gaa done a results show tomorrow like last year as tomorrow's games should be very exciting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 19, 2021, 04:27:58 PM
Truth Hurts - I get what you are saying and I do agree. The team that plays right now every Saturday would certainly compete in Div3 but if they played on the normal Div3 night (Friday) then it Wouldn't be the same squad. At least 7/8 players would be with the senior team, at least.

In regards to lower league players playing county - It's possible. Look at Harrison. But it's few and far between, it's a different level of pace, speed (mentally and physically) and game awareness.

Should be some good games tomorrow alright but football has been better to enjoy this year. Long May it continue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 19, 2021, 06:20:37 PM
I don't think a club manager would carry 25 on a Friday if he knew his reserves were playin a match. A squad of 19 enough and 17 for the other match.
I don't see how they couldn't compete with Liatrom Shamrocks etc.
St Paul's went to 3 under Blaney and didn't win a match. They got hammered every match
Eastwood and Tucker don't mean to be smug but never heard of them. If teams have a player that is genuine county standard you would know. Coskery was known. McCumiskey was known.
I just don't get the lower leagues comments. It's a bit like the east down and south down stuff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on August 19, 2021, 07:25:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 19, 2021, 06:20:37 PM
I don't think a club manager would carry 25 on a Friday if he knew his reserves were playin a match. A squad of 19 enough and 17 for the other match.
I don't see how they couldn't compete with Liatrom Shamrocks etc.
St Paul's went to 3 under Blaney and didn't win a match. They got hammered every match
Eastwood and Tucker don't mean to be smug but never heard of them. If teams have a player that is genuine county standard you would know. Coskery was known. McCumiskey was known.
I just don't get the lower leagues comments. It's a bit like the east down and south down stuff

You're always good for a laugh Smurf I'll give you that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 19, 2021, 10:23:04 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on August 19, 2021, 07:25:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 19, 2021, 06:20:37 PM
I don't think a club manager would carry 25 on a Friday if he knew his reserves were playin a match. A squad of 19 enough and 17 for the other match.
I don't see how they couldn't compete with Liatrom Shamrocks etc.

You're always good for a laugh Smurf I'll give you that.

U can only play 5 subs.. every manager worth their salt knows who he will bring on as a game changer or to plug a hole in defence.. why take 34 lads on ur senior panel when ya don't need them..

I feel the clubs in division 3/4 know they wud struggle to compete with the second string of the likes of CPN, Burren, Mayobridge, Clonduff, Kilcoo and Carryduff and that's why they don't want it happening.. obviously if a lad plays division 4 for a few games and is goin well and the division one team takes him in and uses him in a game - he can't then go back n play division 4 league for remainder of the year.. this thing would be easily managed as it is in most other counties.. It would be interesting to see how these players from lower leagues would fare against players from second string division one clubs..

On another note - this board would frustrate ya with the negative comments about small east down clubs players being overlooked.. do something about it.. Carryduff, CPN, Ballyholland etc were yo-yo clubs for years and got their houses in order with underage structures to feed the senior team - now they are established division one clubs..
Saul were the same between division 2/3 and got themselves together and sorted the problem.

It's not rocket science to get your club established, competing, producing county standard players.. roll the sleeves up and get stuck in. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on August 20, 2021, 08:26:14 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 19, 2021, 10:23:04 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on August 19, 2021, 07:25:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 19, 2021, 06:20:37 PM
I don't think a club manager would carry 25 on a Friday if he knew his reserves were playin a match. A squad of 19 enough and 17 for the other match.
I don't see how they couldn't compete with Liatrom Shamrocks etc.

You're always good for a laugh Smurf I'll give you that.

U can only play 5 subs.. every manager worth their salt knows who he will bring on as a game changer or to plug a hole in defence.. why take 34 lads on ur senior panel when ya don't need them..

I feel the clubs in division 3/4 know they wud struggle to compete with the second string of the likes of CPN, Burren, Mayobridge, Clonduff, Kilcoo and Carryduff and that's why they don't want it happening.. obviously if a lad plays division 4 for a few games and is goin well and the division one team takes him in and uses him in a game - he can't then go back n play division 4 league for remainder of the year.. this thing would be easily managed as it is in most other counties.. It would be interesting to see how these players from lower leagues would fare against players from second string division one clubs..

On another note - this board would frustrate ya with the negative comments about small east down clubs players being overlooked.. do something about it.. Carryduff, CPN, Ballyholland etc were yo-yo clubs for years and got their houses in order with underage structures to feed the senior team - now they are established division one clubs..
Saul were the same between division 2/3 and got themselves together and sorted the problem.

It's not rocket science to get your club established, competing, producing county standard players.. roll the sleeves up and get stuck in.
Aye so only bring 4 then. Makes perfect sense :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 20, 2021, 08:27:57 AM
What's wrong Mike?
Why would a senior manager carry more than 19 if the others had a game?
I don't see anyone that is in the lower leagues that should be on the squad.
Even the lower league players don't stand out.
Laverty Saul
Poland Longstone
Collins Downpatrick
Harney Saul
Middleton Liatrom

And all above players are head and shoulders the best players involved at club level
All brilliant club players


Let's just get behind the new manager without all this lower league crap

I still stand that the top 4 premier reserve teams would walk division 4 and complete at the top in division 3 even though both would play on a Friday
If teams like CPN Kilcoo Burren and Mayobridge played in 3 and 4 would it not help the lower league players? The lift a Dundrum coming and playing CPN on a Friday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 20, 2021, 08:29:34 AM
What's wrong with bringing 4 subs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 20, 2021, 08:44:29 AM
Smurfy why do you always mention CPN with the established teams who have been dining at the top for years. Warrenpoint reserves would not be as strong as those others mentioned. Please can you list CPN's hour list at the premier reserve level since the millennium?

You have a smugness about not watching junior football, take that you another forum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on August 20, 2021, 08:48:30 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 20, 2021, 08:27:57 AM
What's wrong Mike?
Why would a senior manager carry more than 19 if the others had a game?
I don't see anyone that is in the lower leagues that should be on the squad.
Even the lower league players don't stand out.
Laverty Saul
Poland Longstone
Collins Downpatrick
Harney Saul
Middleton Liatrom

And all above players are head and shoulders the best players involved at club level
All brilliant club players


Let's just get behind the new manager without all this lower league crap

I still stand that the top 4 premier reserve teams would walk division 4 and complete at the top in division 3 even though both would play on a Friday
If teams like CPN Kilcoo Burren and Mayobridge played in 3 and 4 would it not help the lower league players? The lift a Dundrum coming and playing CPN on a Friday

I'll agree with most of what's being said there regarding players in div 3 & 4 but if you think any manager paid to take a team in div 1 is going to be happy to take 19 players on a Friday night you've not been involved with a senior set up for a very long time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 20, 2021, 08:49:59 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 19, 2021, 10:23:04 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on August 19, 2021, 07:25:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 19, 2021, 06:20:37 PM
I don't think a club manager would carry 25 on a Friday if he knew his reserves were playin a match. A squad of 19 enough and 17 for the other match.
I don't see how they couldn't compete with Liatrom Shamrocks etc.

You're always good for a laugh Smurf I'll give you that.

U can only play 5 subs.. every manager worth their salt knows who he will bring on as a game changer or to plug a hole in defence.. why take 34 lads on ur senior panel when ya don't need them..

I feel the clubs in division 3/4 know they wud struggle to compete with the second string of the likes of CPN, Burren, Mayobridge, Clonduff, Kilcoo and Carryduff and that's why they don't want it happening.. obviously if a lad plays division 4 for a few games and is goin well and the division one team takes him in and uses him in a game - he can't then go back n play division 4 league for remainder of the year.. this thing would be easily managed as it is in most other counties.. It would be interesting to see how these players from lower leagues would fare against players from second string division one clubs..

On another note - this board would frustrate ya with the negative comments about small east down clubs players being overlooked.. do something about it.. Carryduff, CPN, Ballyholland etc were yo-yo clubs for years and got their houses in order with underage structures to feed the senior team - now they are established division one clubs..
Saul were the same between division 2/3 and got themselves together and sorted the problem.

It's not rocket science to get your club established, competing, producing county standard players.. roll the sleeves up and get stuck in.



Unfortunately, a lot of clubs could only dream about the pick in Carryduff, Warrenpoint and Ballyholland/Newry. Go down to any division 4 game tonight and see plenty of volunteers with their "sleeves rolled up and getting stuck in" !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 20, 2021, 08:58:22 AM
CPN are building something special. We have serious numbers now
Why would a paid senior manager have an issue with bringing 19 players on match day. He can only use 5. Makes his job easier. Everyone getting plenty of football
I think it would strengthen the lower league teams and players.
Something needs to happen. Division 4 has gone completely stale. Add in 2 teams next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 20, 2021, 09:10:49 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 20, 2021, 08:58:22 AM
CPN are building something special. We have serious numbers now
Why would a paid senior manager have an issue with bringing 19 players on match day. He can only use 5. Makes his job easier. Everyone getting plenty of football
I think it would strengthen the lower league teams and players.
Something needs to happen. Division 4 has gone completely stale. Add in 2 teams next year.

Please list CPN's honours since the turn of the millennium at reserve level?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 20, 2021, 10:18:16 AM
It's not about honours.. it's about being able to facilitate players with games. If CPN have the numbers - what has their trophy haul or lack of it got to do with anything???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on August 20, 2021, 10:45:38 AM
Try telling Dublin it's not about the trophies.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 20, 2021, 10:47:16 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 20, 2021, 10:18:16 AM
It's not about honours.. it's about being able to facilitate players with games. If CPN have the numbers - what has their trophy haul or lack of it got to do with anything???

I still stand that the top 4 premier reserve teams would walk division 4 and complete at the top in division 3 even though both would play on a Friday
If teams like CPN Kilcoo Burren and Mayobridge played in 3 and 4 would it not help the lower league players? The lift a Dundrum coming and playing CPN on a Friday



That was what smurfy said, he is mentioning CPN is the same breath as the 3 teams who have dominated Reserve football (and senior) the past 20 years.
He has no substance to be saying their seconds should be playing football in division 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 20, 2021, 11:01:33 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 20, 2021, 08:58:22 AM
CPN are building something special. We have serious numbers now
Why would a paid senior manager have an issue with bringing 19 players on match day. He can only use 5. Makes his job easier. Everyone getting plenty of football
I think it would strengthen the lower league teams and players.
Something needs to happen. Division 4 has gone completely stale. Add in 2 teams next year.

Picked probably the worst year to come out with that statement, given how competitive Div 4 has been this year. Perhaps showing your lack of awareness/interest in the lower divisions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 20, 2021, 10:32:39 PM
Couple of nice results tonight.. Clonduff and ourselves setting the pace with Carryduff finding their feet now too...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 21, 2021, 08:28:47 PM
How teams can't smell blood with Kilcoo this year
Devlin Gone
O Hanlon Gone
Morgan gone
Johnstone hamstring
Laverty knee

What more motivation do teams need.

Championship is wide open for whoever wants it. Will Kilcoo get another handy one?
Noes the time for teams to start focusing on the big one

Ourselves
Kilcoo
Clonduff
Burren
Mayobridge


That's who can win it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 21, 2021, 10:47:15 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 21, 2021, 08:28:47 PM
How teams can't smell blood with Kilcoo this year
Devlin Gone
O Hanlon Gone
Morgan gone
Johnstone hamstring
Laverty knee

What more motivation do teams need.

Championship is wide open for whoever wants it. Will Kilcoo get another handy one?
Noes the time for teams to start focusing on the big one

Ourselves
Kilcoo
Clonduff
Burren
Mayobridge


That's who can win it

When you say gone? Do you mean not playing this year?

For me having seen most teams play with the exception of Burren and The Bridge, Clonduff or CPN if they can overcome the mental block against the magpies are in with a great chance of winning the Championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 22, 2021, 10:02:54 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 21, 2021, 10:47:15 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 21, 2021, 08:28:47 PM
How teams can't smell blood with Kilcoo this year
Devlin Gone
O Hanlon Gone
Morgan gone
Johnstone hamstring
Laverty knee

What more motivation do teams need.

Championship is wide open for whoever wants it. Will Kilcoo get another handy one?
Noes the time for teams to start focusing on the big one

Ourselves
Kilcoo
Clonduff
Burren
Mayobridge


That's who can win it

When you say gone? Do you mean not playing this year?

For me having seen most teams play with the exception of Burren and The Bridge, Clonduff or CPN if they can overcome the mental block against the magpies are in with a great chance of winning the Championship

The mental block will change this year.. the time of the magpie is coming to an end...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 23, 2021, 01:42:26 AM
What's with a division 2 team not wanting to travel to an away game and being accused of using Covid as the reason? Big big accusation that. And really can't prove that it is not covid. The same team played Friday night so they must have got covid results over the weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on August 23, 2021, 08:32:30 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 23, 2021, 01:42:26 AM
What's with a division 2 team not wanting to travel to an away game and being accused of using Covid as the reason? Big big accusation that. And really can't prove that it is not covid. The same team played Friday night so they must have got covid results over the weekend

Do tell more - first ive heard of this
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 23, 2021, 08:50:19 AM
It's not really unrealistic to have had positive Covid tests between Friday night and now. Strange comment to make.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 23, 2021, 08:59:28 AM
Kilcoo will still walk the senior  football championship, Carryduff and the south Down super clubs will shit themselves again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 23, 2021, 09:21:08 AM
No it's not strange but when the rumour comes out on the Thursday that this team wasn't going to field on the Monday came about and was confirmed on Sunday that's what the issue is with it.
We never shit ourselves just beat by a better team
We are building and ready for the big one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 23, 2021, 09:31:14 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 23, 2021, 08:59:28 AM
Kilcoo will still walk the senior  football championship, Carryduff and the south Down super clubs will shit themselves again

Your thirds shit themselves against the magpies yesterday by the looks of things
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 23, 2021, 10:18:01 AM
Well it's out first year of thirds so what do you expect?
It was my first game I seen them playing
I'm certain that Kilcoo thirds team clean up they are strong
But as I said I haven't followed it just our top 2 teams
On that note that Kilcoo thirds team would walk division 4 at a canter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 23, 2021, 10:28:57 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 23, 2021, 10:18:01 AM
Well it's out first year of thirds so what do you expect?
It was my first game I seen them playing
I'm certain that Kilcoo thirds team clean up they are strong
But as I said I haven't followed it just our top 2 teams
On that note that Kilcoo thirds team would walk division 4 at a canter.

LOL Now a thirds team would win division 4 , wise up will you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 23, 2021, 10:33:49 AM
No I said KILCOO thirds would win division 4
I didn't say a thirds team I said Kilcoo
And they would
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 23, 2021, 10:45:17 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 23, 2021, 10:33:49 AM
No I said KILCOO thirds would win division 4
I didn't say a thirds team I said Kilcoo
And they would

Because they hammered your thirds team? You are deluded
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 23, 2021, 12:27:24 PM
No because they are an extremely talented thirds team
They would beat most seconds team and all
Anyway you brought up thirds I'm just giving my opinion like you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on August 23, 2021, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 23, 2021, 01:42:26 AM
What's with a division 2 team not wanting to travel to an away game and being accused of using Covid as the reason? Big big accusation that. And really can't prove that it is not covid. The same team played Friday night so they must have got covid results over the weekend
Few boys isolating as far as I'm aware on a squad that is already light enough due to several long term injuries that have been picked up this season. Those few boys isolating would have made the difference in fielding or not so covid is a valid excuse
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 23, 2021, 12:49:16 PM
But they fielded Friday night at home
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 23, 2021, 12:57:54 PM
who is not fielding?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on August 23, 2021, 01:15:50 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 23, 2021, 12:49:16 PM
But they fielded Friday night at home
And have since picked up another long term arm injury and a head injury.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 23, 2021, 02:51:42 PM
So a team, already missing players, lost a couple more and now cannot field. Seems like a fairly realistic scenario, not sure what the fuss is about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 23, 2021, 03:41:50 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 23, 2021, 12:57:54 PM
who is not fielding?

The Kingdom afaik...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 23, 2021, 03:53:36 PM
Surely with the build-up of fixtures, Saul should be happy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 23, 2021, 10:50:45 PM
A few interesting results tonight.. Clonduffs to lose now...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 23, 2021, 11:03:16 PM
Surely it'll come down to last game between the current top 2... Interesting end to the league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 24, 2021, 08:51:07 AM
Clonduff's to lose? Was looking at the table last night and it seems wide open but as far as I can see, only CPN have their fate in their own hands? If they win the last four games then they win the league? If Carryduff beat the Point next week then that opens the door for themselves and Clonduff and Kilcoo...with the yellas and Magpies playing each other on the last day of the season...

Warrenpoint have to be slight favourites at this stage but Carryduff is a very tricky place to go and get a result so nothing is given...I fully expect them to beat Rostrevor and the Ford but Ballyholland is never a straight forward fixture so tonight will be interesting, looking forward to that one...wonder what sort of side both teams will have available.

Were there any reports on last night's games? Rostrevor took another absolute hammering...they've gone to the dogs altogether. Clonduff are a great team but surely the reds can be better set up than getting beat by 13pts. Lots of rumblings about players not happy with their management, hard to make sense of it all from the outside looking in.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 24, 2021, 10:24:16 AM
It's in our hands to win the league. Win the rest of our matches and we win the league
Going strong on all fronts. Our Premier Reserves into semi final
Tonight's game will be interesting. Ballyholland seem to have lost that edge they once had. Ballyholland were never going to win a championship or league but you knew you were in a battle with them. Looking at the results that doesn't look like the case anymore.

Bryansford and Loughinisland can't count themselves very lucky that relegation has been done away with.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 24, 2021, 10:29:00 AM
Defeat for Dundrum and Kilief puts them out on contention for promotion in 4. The race now between St Pauls, Dromaraand bright to see who goes up. A really strong league this year and its good to see Newry Mitchell's fielding and getting a win last night in Kilwarlin.

Looking at the fixture list CPN certainly is strong favourites for the league title, Carryduff cannot win it now so they won't be risking any players in that tie. Kilcoo by all accounts have not shown their hand in the league and will be strong favourites to retain the Frank O'Hare cup even with Devlin out. The chasing pack CPN, Burren, Mayobridge, Carryduff and Clonduff are much of a muchness and would fancy themselves against each other and vice versa. the RGU are racking up some big scores and Carryduff and them in the first round should be a cracker.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 24, 2021, 10:37:57 AM
Quote from: upandwin on August 24, 2021, 08:51:07 AM
Clonduff's to lose? Was looking at the table last night and it seems wide open but as far as I can see, only CPN have their fate in their own hands? If they win the last four games then they win the league? If Carryduff beat the Point next week then that opens the door for themselves and Clonduff and Kilcoo...with the yellas and Magpies playing each other on the last day of the season...

Warrenpoint have to be slight favourites at this stage but Carryduff is a very tricky place to go and get a result so nothing is given...I fully expect them to beat Rostrevor and the Ford but Ballyholland is never a straightforward fixture so tonight will be interesting, looking forward to that one...wonder what sort of side both teams will have available.

Were there any reports on last night's games? Rostrevor took another absolute hammering...they've gone to the dogs altogether. Clonduff are a great team but surely the reds can be better set up than getting beat by 13pts. Lots of rumblings about players not happy with their management, hard to make sense of it all from the outside looking in.

Jesus concluded, "Truly I tell you no prophet is accepted in his hometown"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 24, 2021, 11:38:16 AM
Why can Carryduff not win it now? Surely if they win their last three games they have a mathematical chance? I think this close to championship, most teams will be playing their strongest hand as there will be little or no chance of any friendlies after the league before championship starts? The next four games are dress rehearsals for 1st round of the championship...

Realistically Burren can try new players and tactics as they will definitely beat Saul in their opener, and they have nothing to play for in the league. Same goes for Bryansford and Loughinisland who will feel they have very winnable championship games and with poor showings in the league so far, will need to try new systems and players to improve for a championship run.

Mayobridge and Kilcoo are bound to want to gather some momentum before the biggest clash of the first round in a few weeks. RGU and Carryduff the same.

Getting really excited now about a championship that I never thought would take place a few months back...My predictions are as follows:

Saul v Burren - Burren by 8/9pts pulling up
Bredagh v Castlewellan- Castlewellan by a couple
Mayobridge v Kilcoo- Mayobridge by 3, Kilcoo not going out of second gear
Clonduff v Rostrevor- Clonduff by 10 pulling up
L'Island v Harps- Island in extra time
Ford v Glenn- Glenn in Extra time
Stone v Warrenpoint- Point by a couple, def won't be a walkover
RGU v Carryduff- RGU by 2, Mooney stealing the show

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 24, 2021, 12:11:37 PM
Saul v Burren - Burren easily
Bredagh v Castlewellan- be close, could go to extra time
Mayobridge v Kilcoo- Kilcoo easily
Clonduff v Rostrevor- Clonduff easily
L'Island v Harps- Harps if all players out
Ford v Glenn- Glenn narrowly
Stone v Warrenpoint- Point by ten +
RGU v Carryduff- extra time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 24, 2021, 09:00:04 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 24, 2021, 10:24:16 AM
It's in our hands to win the league. Win the rest of our matches and we win the league
Going strong on all fronts. Our Premier Reserves into semi final
Tonight's game will be interesting. Ballyholland seem to have lost that edge they once had. Ballyholland were never going to win a championship or league but you knew you were in a battle with them. Looking at the results that doesn't look like the case anymore.

Bryansford and Loughinisland can't count themselves very lucky that relegation has been done away with.

🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on August 24, 2021, 09:02:49 PM
CPN 1.10 Ballyholland 2.12
Harps fully deserved win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on August 24, 2021, 09:13:35 PM
Mmm. Normal service resumed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 24, 2021, 09:21:12 PM
Harps deserved the win; some brilliant points in the 3rd quarter turned the game. Was told that CPN didn't have their strongest team out, which I can't understand with a chance of winning the league at stake.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on August 24, 2021, 09:28:19 PM
CPN missing John Boyle
McMahon not in nets for some reason
Ryan McAleenan is "long term" injury if you want to include him
Apart from that full team imo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 24, 2021, 10:21:27 PM
Good of Harps to let CPN get themselves back into it too make it close before burying them in the last minutes of the game 👀
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 24, 2021, 11:25:02 PM
Poor performance from us
Ballyholland full value for the win
This could be another year we fuk up the league
Beat the big 2 and still can't get over the line
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 25, 2021, 08:52:09 AM
CPN can still win the league if they win their last 3 games but will prob need Kilcoo to beat Clonduff to make sure. either way it's typical of Warrenpoint when really they should have been in cruise control. Was Boyle not playing due to soccer commitments?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 25, 2021, 09:00:16 AM
John hasn't played for Newry this year yet. He has been a sub
Not sure if that was the reason
It's not in our own hands to now win it which is the problem
I think management have 1 eye on the championship
I'm sure all the big teams will have now turned attentions to it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 25, 2021, 09:15:02 AM
Was at the game last night and as a previous poster said, Ballyholland fully deserved the win we can have no complaints. They were hungrier and won every 50/50, our lads letting Loughran and Murtagh shoot for fun and they put over some magnificent scores. We were missing John Boyle but he didn't play against Burren or Loughinisland recently but we coped without him no problem...Gary McMahon had been injured but was definitely available as he was stripped out...but think he must just have been dropped...I definitely think we are a much stronger team with him in the side but the players on the pitch should've had enough to see out that game...no intensity, no aggression and until the last 10mins there was no fight either. Poor decision making all over the pitch, in particular from our forwards who seemed reluctant to shoot.

Clonduff's to lose now, they will fancy themselves for back to back leagues which would be some achievement. Big opportunity missed for our lads who will probably now go to Carryduff and get beat after that show last night. Hopefully we put up a half decent performance against the mighty Reds in the local derby Friday, one to look forward to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 25, 2021, 09:18:05 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 25, 2021, 09:00:16 AM
John hasn't played for Newry this year yet. He has been a sub
Not sure if that was the reason
It's not in our own hands to now win it which is the problem
I think management have 1 eye on the championship
I'm sure all the big teams will have now turned attentions to it

Absolute nonsense...W'point wanted to win that league...and may still do tbf. But to say there's one eye on championship is Bull***t no harm...strong team out. Maybe Burren and Kilcoo etc have an eye on championship as they have bigger fish to fry than the league but CPN haven't won silverware worth talking about in decades. Sooner they get their best 15 sorted the better but there's no excuse for a performance like that last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 25, 2021, 09:21:44 AM
Personally, I'd be worried about the mental state of any man who really wants to win D1 this year.

In fact I'd be worried about it most years. League titles don't matter a damn unless there's promotion attached to it. But especially this year, D1 really doesn't matter a damn. It's a high standard of friendly match, nothing else.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 25, 2021, 09:28:36 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 25, 2021, 09:21:44 AM
Personally, I'd be worried about the mental state of any man who really wants to win D1 this year.

In fact I'd be worried about it most years. League titles don't matter a damn unless there's promotion attached to it. But especially this year, D1 really doesn't matter a damn. It's a high standard of friendly match, nothing else.

That's a strange comment, I would think that any team who wins a division one title who be delighted with it.

Will John McGovern be allowed to play for the Harps in the championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 25, 2021, 10:27:49 AM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on August 24, 2021, 09:28:19 PM
CPN missing John Boyle
McMahon not in nets for some reason
Ryan McAleenan is "long term" injury if you want to include him
Apart from that full team imo
If CPN have nothing else to come in besides the above they may forget about the championship after last nights performance. Ballyholland actually played some decent football last night instead of the usual defensive blueprint they stick to and were well worth their win. I agree with other posters CPN would definitely be trying to win the league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 25, 2021, 10:52:59 AM
Could the Harps be dark horses for the SFC, they could have made the final last season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 25, 2021, 11:11:11 AM
Having chatted to people at the game last night I think there was a big stag at the weekend which also wouldn't have helped matters :/

Clonduff had a similar situation last week after a wedding and took a hammering at the hands of Carryduff...Ballyholland looked good last night but I seriously doubt they can win a SFC with that team. Kilcoo will win it at a canter again by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 25, 2021, 11:31:54 AM
Is there an expected announcement due on the county senior football management?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on August 25, 2021, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 25, 2021, 09:21:44 AM
Personally, I’d be worried about the mental state of any man who really wants to win D1 this year.

In fact I’d be worried about it most years. League titles don’t matter a damn unless there’s promotion attached to it. But especially this year, D1 really doesn’t matter a damn. It’s a high standard of friendly match, nothing else.

This is exactly the point this year.  You just have to look at the strange look of the league table and the fact that no one team is dominant and teams are getting beat by teams that wouldn't usually be beat by.  Sure CPN or Clonduff may be pushing for a league but I really don't think Mickey Moran or Jim McCorry give one fiddlers f**k about the league.

I may be wrong but I will be surprised if its not the usual suspects in the championship final unless they meet each other prior to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 25, 2021, 12:24:58 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on August 25, 2021, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 25, 2021, 09:21:44 AM
Personally, I'd be worried about the mental state of any man who really wants to win D1 this year.

In fact I'd be worried about it most years. League titles don't matter a damn unless there's promotion attached to it. But especially this year, D1 really doesn't matter a damn. It's a high standard of friendly match, nothing else.

This is exactly the point this year.  You just have to look at the strange look of the league table and the fact that no one team is dominant and teams are getting beat by teams that wouldn't usually be beat by.  Sure CPN or Clonduff may be pushing for a league but I really don't think Mickey Moran or Jim McCorry give one fiddlers f**k about the league.

I may be wrong but I will be surprised if its not the usual suspects in the championship final unless they meet each other prior to it.

You think it will be a Kilcoo/CPN final then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 25, 2021, 12:31:12 PM
The big clubs have no interest in the league
Carryduff Ballyholland Rostrevor Loughinisland and maybe the Ford would celebrate it
Who remembers how many Kilcoo have won or the great Burren teams of the 80s or the great bridge team of the noughties
Teams are gauged on championships
Lower divisions with promotion this year is different
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 25, 2021, 12:46:51 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 25, 2021, 12:31:12 PM
The big clubs have no interest in the league
Carryduff Ballyholland Rostrevor Loughinisland and maybe the Ford would celebrate it
Who remembers how many Kilcoo have won or the great Burren teams of the 80s or the great bridge team of the noughties
Teams are gauged on championships
Lower divisions with promotion this year is different

You have won nothing at senior level since the early 50s, ffs it would be celebrated as big as anything.

It's easy for people to come on writing with 2 games to go in the league that teams don't care about the league. Every manager would be delighted with a league title. Jesus, it grins my gears about clubs dissing the league. Thats an easy cop out when you are not going well. Only one team can win the Frank O'Hare cup and a senior team divion 1 title would take pride of place on a club wall.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on August 25, 2021, 01:02:03 PM
There's two competitions up for grabs one of which has been won almost exclusively by one club the last number of years. Most senior players have zero medals. Most managers have won sweet nothing. Winning a trophy is still an achievement especially for clubs who've won sweet fa. Catch yourselves on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 25, 2021, 01:02:22 PM
It's all about perspective.

Footballers want to win games.

But if a key player from league contenders like Clonduff, CPN or Kilcoo has a leg strain next week, he won't be playing in the final league match(es). He will stay on ice until the championship.

Him playing might secure the win. And if it was a championship final this week, he would find a way. If it was a relegation league playoff he'd find a way too.

That's the league summed up. It's great to play in. It's nice to win. But in the grand scheme, winning a league title doesn't matter so much.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 25, 2021, 01:35:47 PM
Any league title for anyone outside of burren and kilcoo would be massively celebrated and a fantastic achievement . Winning anything at senior level is a fantastic achievement for anyone given the vice like grip the above mentioned two have had on things for years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 25, 2021, 02:03:42 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but since the turn of the Millenium there have been 20 champs and league trophies presented (40 in total), only Kilcoo, Mayobridge, Burren, Ford, Castlewellan, The kingdom and Clonduff have collected any titles, Maybe Rostrevor won one league title?? But for clubs to say they don't care about a league is crap, yes if there is an injury you won't risk your player but clubs should be disrespecting a Down division one league, as the teams down below would lose a limb for it. Its easy to say you don't care when you had a shit campaign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 25, 2021, 02:21:12 PM
See I think you're confusing the situation by putting D1 in with the lower divisions.

When in D2 or D3, the focus of the season is in either getting promoted, or staying up.... depending on how suited you are to that division. Championship is important but, particularly if you've had recent IFC /JFC success, for many clubs maybe not as important as progressing upwards in the league (if stronger) or solidifying league position (if weaker).

As all games at both ends of the table matter, it tends to produce a very fair league, where almost every result matters to everyone involved. Therefore winning a D2 or D3 title is of great significance to a club.

D1 doesn't have the same thing going at both ends. For simply put, the season goal of the top 5-6 teams will be to win Frank O'Hare (or further, if Kilcoo) and has nothing to do with the league. The season goal of the bottom 4-5 times will be initially about retaining league position ie not getting relegated, and an extended championship run.

This situation means that winning a D1 league is just not as prestigious as you want it be. This is just simply what happens when a number of teams involved have eyes on other prizes, and could take or leave winning it. The prestige of a competition is defined not by its name or it's status, but by how much players want to win it.

——

By the way, when it's a 10 team D1 with 2 teams down, it's still a great league, for only the very top couple of sides won't be looking over shoulder all season long.

When it's a 12 team league, a lot of this pressure is alleviated from the bigger 5-6 clubs.

When it's a 15 team league like a few years ago, it's a shit show.

When it's a 10 team league with no relegation, it's also a shit show.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 25, 2021, 04:42:15 PM
The championship winners routinely finish in the top 3 in the league . This has been the case for years so it's obviously important enough to them . 3 maybe 4 teams have a realistic shot at the championship , the rest are hoping to catch the big teams on an off day or get a favourable draw . The main teams have got to where they are by consistently winning which happens in  the league . Hiltown won a title this year and suddenly they have a bit of belief .... Go figure

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 26, 2021, 09:24:51 AM
Clonduff players were celebrating the 2020 league title this year with tears in their eyes after beating Burren...tell those lads it doesn't mean anything because there was no relegation involved in the league.

A league title is something to be hugely proud of, no matter who you are. Lads from Castlewellan and An Riocht etc who realistically will never win a senior championship will always be able to talk about the nights in Newry where they lifted the Div1 title.

It might not mean as much to the lads in Kilcoo or Burren right now but at one stage, even the Magpies had to win a league or two before they won their first SFC in a long time. It's a statement of intent and gives players a belief and a mentality that they can win big prizes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SuperRed on August 26, 2021, 10:06:33 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 25, 2021, 02:03:42 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but since the turn of the Millenium there have been 20 champs and league trophies presented (40 in total), only Kilcoo, Mayobridge, Burren, Ford, Castlewellan, The kingdom and Clonduff have collected any titles, Maybe Rostrevor won one league title?? But for clubs to say they don't care about a league is crap, yes if there is an injury you won't risk your player but clubs should be disrespecting a Down division one league, as the teams down below would lose a limb for it. Its easy to say you don't care when you had a shit campaign.

Rostrevor beat Mayobridge in the league final in 2005...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 26, 2021, 10:18:45 AM
Hearing the shortlist for Down position down to 4?


Tony McEntee Danny Hughes
Conor Deegan Aidan O Rourke An Other
Conor Laverty Marty Clarke
Mickey Walsh Mickey Linden


All things considered that's not a bad list.
A few outsiders didn't want to be considered
With the championship 3 weeks away today an appointment is imminent
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 26, 2021, 10:44:44 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 26, 2021, 10:18:45 AM
Hearing the shortlist for Down position down to 4?


Tony McEntee Danny Hughes
Conor Deegan Aidan O Rourke An Other
Conor Laverty Marty Clarke
Mickey Walsh Mickey Linden


All things considered that's not a bad list.
A few outsiders didn't want to be considered
With the championship 3 weeks away today, an appointment is imminent


If we were not good enough for McEntee before then i think he should be chalked off. Any of the others would do the job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 26, 2021, 11:29:19 AM
Connor Deegan would be a very questionable appointment, not a very good track record over recent years.
Not sure taking Laverty and Clarke away from the under 20's after a decent year would be wise, maybe give them another year or two to continue working with future senior players and on how they want them to play the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 26, 2021, 12:11:30 PM
I am hearing greats reports about Mickey Walsh with the RGU , I would rather him get a shot at it than Deegans to be fair. Laverty would also be another good shout but maybe keep him with the young lads for a few years. Let's be honest about it, our underage has been neglected the past number of years so stability and the experience and dedication of Laverty at this level could be crucial. Conor had to work extremely hard to play intercounty football as his size hampered him but his dedication and willingness to win was second to none. Although he would be a good appointment I just feel that we need stability to try and get more success at underage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 26, 2021, 10:51:08 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 26, 2021, 10:18:45 AM
Hearing the shortlist for Down position down to 4?


Tony McEntee Danny Hughes
Conor Deegan Aidan O Rourke An Other
Conor Laverty Marty Clarke
Mickey Walsh Mickey Linden


All things considered that's not a bad list.
A few outsiders didn't want to be considered
With the championship 3 weeks away today an appointment is imminent

Unfortunately no one on this list was the famous fives first choices. Turned down unsurprisingly on 3 occasions by former hi profile intercounty managers.

What a poor list that is such an underwhelming list of candidates. It's a sad sign of the times when we can't attract a high profile manager and if the famous five can't come up with something more appealing than this then they are the wrong men to select the manager.

Some of th names above to manage at intercounty senior level is laughable, this cannot be true Smurfy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 27, 2021, 08:17:25 AM
Think the original list of candidates was as follows:

Jim Gavin
Mickey Harte
Jim McGuinness
Scrooge McDuck
Pat Mustard

Heard that from a prominent County Board member...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 27, 2021, 11:53:35 AM
A big mourne derby tonight in Dunavil. The Kingdom seemed to have recovered from their covid outbreak lol
They would love nothing better to scupper Longstone's promotion bid.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 27, 2021, 12:11:21 PM
Few good derbies on this evening...Clonduff will hammer the Ford, Business as usual for the yellas. Warrenpoint will beat Rostrevor IMO and Longstone will hammer An Riocht...

Be interesting to see how Harps go against Carryduff...Kilcoo v the Bridge in a dress rehearsal for Championship should be the pick of the games tonight-Magpies by 2 but fancy the Bridge to beat them like the point did last year when it doesn't matter at all to Kilcoo...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 27, 2021, 12:24:09 PM
Dylan Ward and Devlin will be big misses but they should have enough to take Mayobridge in both games.
I fancy the Kingdom to win tonight
Harps will get the into Carryduff tonight, wait to you see. They will be hurting after last years semi.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 27, 2021, 12:29:48 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 27, 2021, 08:17:25 AM
Think the original list of candidates was as follows:

Jim Gavin
Mickey Harte
Jim McGuinness
Scrooge McDuck
Pat Mustard

Heard that from a prominent County Board member...

I can gather thats a flippant comment from you but if Louth can go out on a limb to get one of the best managers in the game, why should we accept this level of mediocre yet again? How many of those named have experience of senior intercounty level outside of ORourke who in his first and only managerial post in Louth was a total and utter failure. There is no outstanding candidates in our own county, time to think big or we will be heading one direction.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 27, 2021, 12:45:05 PM
Harps will have to much for Carryduff tonight. Carryduff bubble has well and truly burst
Kilcoo by 5
CPN by 8
Clonduff by 5


I see another 4 teams couldn't be bothered playing tonight

Who exactly would you like to see in as manager then if the above are not good enough? You talk about experience
Like who
We need to be realistic
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 27, 2021, 01:08:40 PM
I am only seeing this now, why are Annaclone, Bosco, and Banbridge not fielding tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 27, 2021, 01:20:00 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 27, 2021, 12:45:05 PM
Harps will have to much for Carryduff tonight. Carryduff bubble has well and truly burst
Kilcoo by 5
CPN by 8
Clonduff by 5


I see another 4 teams couldn't be bothered playing tonight

Who exactly would you like to see in as manager then if the above are not good enough? You talk about experience
Like who
We need to be realistic

Realistic? Dont make me laugh, this is a job that would be sought after the length and breadth of the country, are you trying to tell me Down job is a less attractive proposition than Louth wise up. We need fresh start, stop giving the buddies the job, zero connections to Queens, Jack Devanney and Sean og McAteer, no links to current clubs, no former players etc etc we have tried all this and it hasn't worked. Now is time for a totally fresh approach, look what happened in Derry when Rory Gallagher landed, he united the whole county, watch them storm past us next year as we twiddle away another 2/3 years wasted time and money on bluffers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 27, 2021, 01:22:30 PM
But who red and black?
It's ok saying this and that
Who can we realistically get?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 27, 2021, 02:51:55 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 27, 2021, 01:22:30 PM
But who red and black?
It's ok saying this and that
Who can we realistically get?

That's the job for the expert 5 man panel, that's why they were appointed, but please don't come back to us with previous failures, former players, queen's old boys or someone off the buddy list. The people of Down deserve better. Antrim got McGinley, Derry got Gallagher, Armagh wanted someone got Donaghy, Monaghan got Buckley, Donegal got Rochford, just look at that list in comparison and tell me we can't do better?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on August 27, 2021, 03:36:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 27, 2021, 12:45:05 PM
I see another 4 teams couldn't be bothered playing tonight

A very disappointing remark to make. You've absolutely no idea what's going on within some of these clubs. I was at a lower league game recently where both teams were straight up 15 v 15, no subs at all available for either side. Some of these clubs have senior squads of 20 or even less, and one or two injuries, covid cases or suspensions, not to mention work or family commitments, can scupper a club's ability to put a team on the field.

We can't all be blessed with the numbers to be able to put three senior level teams on the field every week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 27, 2021, 03:42:26 PM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on August 27, 2021, 03:36:14 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 27, 2021, 12:45:05 PM
I see another 4 teams couldn't be bothered playing tonight

A very disappointing remark to make. You've absolutely no idea what's going on within some of these clubs. I was at a lower league game recently where both teams were straight up 15 v 15, no subs at all available for either side. Some of these clubs have senior squads of 20 or even less, and one or two injuries, covid cases or suspensions, not to mention work or family commitments, can scupper a club's ability to put a team on the field.

We can't all be blessed with the numbers to be able to put three senior level teams on the field every week.

I wouldn't worry about that statement, if you read through the message board this particular "contributor" is full of negativity and sniping remarks. All reasonable people understand the struggles facing many club teams right now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 27, 2021, 11:02:19 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 27, 2021, 02:51:55 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 27, 2021, 01:22:30 PM
But who red and black?
It's ok saying this and that
Who can we realistically get?

That's the job for the expert 5 man panel, that's why they were appointed, but please don't come back to us with previous failures, former players, queen's old boys or someone off the buddy list. The people of Down deserve better. Antrim got McGinley, Derry got Gallagher, Armagh wanted someone got Donaghy, Monaghan got Buckley, Donegal got Rochford, just look at that list in comparison and tell me we can't do better?

A complete kop out answer after a scathing initial comment. You may as well have posted nothing. If you've such a strong opinion lay out who you think this saviour should be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 27, 2021, 11:36:48 PM
Agree supersub. Who do you want in as manager?
Don't come with Gavin or that.
No I was stating teams have forfeited matches if anyone really thinks it's covid need to get real. Can't play Friday but good for Monday. Get real.

Rostrevor poor tonight. Sad to see. A lot of young players. Maybe a tough year for them but it will stand by them next year where it really counts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 28, 2021, 09:36:37 AM
Poor indeed, serious turnover of (mainly top13) players from last year has been a major contributing factor to the team/squad. A few hefty defeats has probably knocked confidence too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on August 28, 2021, 09:52:53 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 27, 2021, 11:36:48 PM
No I was stating teams have forfeited matches if anyone really thinks it's covid need to get real. Can't play Friday but good for Monday. Get real.

Covid can be a factor, but one of many potential possibilities. Again, you've no idea what's going on within these clubs. I'd advise you not to comment further on the matter as you are clearly unaware of the current struggles of a lot of clubs. You don't seem to realise that some clubs are operating at bare bones, and as you come from a club with three senior level teams, your responses stink of 'spoilt child' syndrome.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 28, 2021, 01:14:38 PM
Clonduff have really taken their eye of the ball; defeats to Carryduff and, more surprisingly, Bryansford, have left CPN in the driving seat
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 28, 2021, 01:50:17 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 27, 2021, 12:45:05 PM
Harps will have to much for Carryduff tonight. Carryduff bubble has well and truly burst
Kilcoo by 5
CPN by 8
Clonduff by 5


I see another 4 teams couldn't be bothered playing tonight

Who exactly would you like to see in as manager then if the above are not good enough? You talk about experience
Like who
We need to be realistic
The mighty CPN didn't turn up for Feile today. Any reason for this Smurfy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on August 28, 2021, 06:56:29 PM
Concentrating on SFC but think there was a curse put on them same time as Mayo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 29, 2021, 10:56:45 AM
First final of the year secured and should be strong favourites to win it with the experience we have on the panel.. Burren are a youthful setup so we should have too much for them..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 29, 2021, 02:09:27 PM
Burren will win the PRFC...CPN have a decent team but there were only a few teams that could win the PRFC...Burren are the best team by a street, Kilcoo and Clonduff next. CPN have played nobody decent until Carryduff. Burren will walk the final, their seconds would beat most senior teams...loads of U20s playing and that was a lot of the team who came through unbeaten in the whole of underage football. Burren people have never been more confident and they all say they will win the SFC and PRFC this year...they won't be beaten again this year at senior level...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on August 29, 2021, 07:14:22 PM
When do the Championships start? Is it the weekend immediately following the completion of the leagues (10th-13th September) or the weekend after (17th-20th)? I've been looking and of the "six counties", four of them have their club championship fixtures and dates published. The only two that don't have the information readily available on their website are understandably Tyrone who are still in the All Ireland, and Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 29, 2021, 09:32:06 PM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on August 29, 2021, 07:14:22 PM
When do the Championships start? Is it the weekend immediately following the completion of the leagues (10th-13th September) or the weekend after (17th-20th)? I've been looking and of the "six counties", four of them have their club championship fixtures and dates published. The only two that don't have the information readily available on their website are understandably Tyrone who are still in the All Ireland, and Down.

Down Championship fixture list was sent out to clubs about a month or so ago. 1st Round of Championship is 10-13th then played too finished with maybe 1 week break somewhere in-between all the fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 29, 2021, 10:04:59 PM
I thought Championship was 17th weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 29, 2021, 10:12:48 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 29, 2021, 02:09:27 PM
Burren will win the PRFC...CPN have a decent team but there were only a few teams that could win the PRFC...Burren are the best team by a street, Kilcoo and Clonduff next. CPN have played nobody decent until Carryduff. Burren will walk the final, their seconds would beat most senior teams...loads of U20s playing and that was a lot of the team who came through unbeaten in the whole of underage football. Burren people have never been more confident and they all say they will win the SFC and PRFC this year...they won't be beaten again this year at senior level...

Sometimes the best team doesn't win as easy as you think and sometimes not at all.. We seen this quote about Burren not being beaten a while back and it went to pieces after ONE game!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 29, 2021, 10:18:51 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 29, 2021, 09:32:06 PM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on August 29, 2021, 07:14:22 PM
When do the Championships start? Is it the weekend immediately following the completion of the leagues (10th-13th September) or the weekend after (17th-20th)? I've been looking and of the "six counties", four of them have their club championship fixtures and dates published. The only two that don't have the information readily available on their website are understandably Tyrone who are still in the All Ireland, and Down.

Down Championship fixture list was sent out to clubs about a month or so ago. 1st Round of Championship is 10-13th then played too finished with maybe 1 week break somewhere in-between all the fixtures.

Was this then put back a week when the All Ireland final was moved? Not sure why as obviously Down aren't involved and the day itself could be left free of games, but I had heard this from a few people. Hopefully the fixtures get sorted ASAP anyway, if even to allow players and management to plan ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 29, 2021, 10:26:18 PM
Didn't take into account the All-Ireland, Yeh it'll be put back until the next week then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 30, 2021, 12:06:26 AM
The dates for every round of the championship were sent out two weeks ago, and had factored in the AI Final move. All clubs will be more than aware of this. The football Championships start on Thursday 16th Sept. Hurling championship starts this coming weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 30, 2021, 07:55:04 AM
Quote from: supersub on August 30, 2021, 12:06:26 AM
The dates for every round of the championship were sent out two weeks ago, and had factored in the AI Final move. All clubs will be more than aware of this. The football Championships start on Thursday 16th Sept. Hurling championship starts this coming weekend.

Would you know the planned date for releasing the championship fixtures?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on August 30, 2021, 09:24:19 AM
Quote from: upandwin on August 29, 2021, 02:09:27 PM
Burren will win the PRFC...CPN have a decent team but there were only a few teams that could win the PRFC...Burren are the best team by a street, Kilcoo and Clonduff next. CPN have played nobody decent until Carryduff. Burren will walk the final, their seconds would beat most senior teams...loads of U20s playing and that was a lot of the team who came through unbeaten in the whole of underage football. Burren people have never been more confident and they all say they will win the SFC and PRFC this year...they won't be beaten again this year at senior level...

Haven't heard anything in Burren about not being beaten again this year from the locals. So don't know where this is coming from. If anything quite a few are quite pessimistic about the championship.

Like everyone they are looking at Kilcoo thinking there might be signs of a dip in form and with injuries they might not be the force they were, but also know Kilcoo will be a different proposition come championship.

There seems to be very little between the top 4 or 5 teams in the league this year so should be interesting championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 30, 2021, 02:54:13 PM
1st Round - 16th-20th September
2nd Round - 23rd-27th September
3rd Round - 1st-4th October
1/4 Finals - 8th-11th October
Semi Finals - 22nd-24th October
Final - 7th November

That's the fixture dates list.. Junior/Intermediate football finals are 5th/6th November.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on August 30, 2021, 07:44:48 PM
Half time CPN 1.08 Carryduff 0.3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on August 30, 2021, 08:34:37 PM

Carryduff: 0-7(7)
Warrenpoint: 2-12(18)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 30, 2021, 11:56:36 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on August 30, 2021, 07:55:04 AM
Quote from: supersub on August 30, 2021, 12:06:26 AM
The dates for every round of the championship were sent out two weeks ago, and had factored in the AI Final move. All clubs will be more than aware of this. The football Championships start on Thursday 16th Sept. Hurling championship starts this coming weekend.

Would you know the planned date for releasing the championship fixtures?

I'm afraid I don't. I would imagine soon enough however. Possibly after the last round of league fixtures on Friday?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on August 31, 2021, 10:38:05 AM
Now that the destiny of Division 1 is firmly in CPN's hands (barring a final day slip up at home to Bryansford), attention turns to the other three divisions. All three have an exciting run in.
Division 2: Downpatrick are already promoted and should wrap up the title with a win at Saul on Friday. Last night's results have thrown up an interesting clash, as Longstone and Castlewellan play in a winner take all battle for the second promotion spot. The draw favours the Stone, should that be the result.
Division 3: 2 games remaining for most, and if Shamrocks can get a win away at Liatroim on Friday, it will leave all of the top 3 on 16 points going into the final match on Monday. A Liatroim win on Friday will see them and Saval promoted as Saval will have a 2 point lead over Shamrocks and have them on the head to head.
Division 4: With 2 games remaining, any of 4 teams still have a shot at going up. On Friday, Bright and St Pauls should have comfortable victories, but Kilclief and Dromara face each other. A Dromara win will see Kilclief out of the running, but a Kilclief win will see them both with a mathematical chance of going up, but needing a result elsewhere to give them a chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 31, 2021, 11:03:52 AM
Fair play to the County Board, their decision regarding the league structures has made for a really enjoyable spectacle across all four divisions...

CPN will not get it easy on Friday, Ford will have their tails up after a great win against Clonduff last week. Big game on Friday for the neutrals will be Clonduff v Kilcoo...strange one with the yellas that they always seem to start really well every single year and begin to fall away when the proper business end of the season rolls around. Bit early to say that this year but I think they'll need a good showing against the Magpies to get some momentum before their championship campaign begins.

What has happened Loughinisland? See they didn't field last night against Bryansford? They were struggling massively at the start of the year with Covid from what I hear but surely they can still get 15 lads to line out for league games? Seems like they've resigned themselves to the fact they won't be competitive this year in the SFC and with no relegation maybe it's not worth risking lads etc. which is fair enough.

RGU are some force to be reckoned with if this year is anything to go by...Prenter, Mooney, Smyth and D Turley seriously pacey and provide strength all over the pitch with Anthony Doherty back, Gerard Collins and Big Peter Turley at the edge of the square, they are my dark horses for a serious championship run...only thing going against them is they have been playing Div2 intensity all year which is hard to then adjust to the pace of Div1 teams like Kilcoo and Burren...

Has anyone seen much of the Stone or Castlewellan this year? I think the Stone will have too much at home to the Town and should just pip them...

Saval and Liatroim to go up from Div 3, Would be shocked if Shamrocks go and get a result in Liatroim this week but you never know I suppose...Great week of football ahead of us :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 31, 2021, 11:49:12 AM
Quote from: upandwin on August 31, 2021, 11:03:52 AM
Fair play to the County Board, their decision regarding the league structures has made for a really enjoyable spectacle across all four divisions...

CPN will not get it easy on Friday, Ford will have their tails up after a great win against Clonduff last week. Big game on Friday for the neutrals will be Clonduff v Kilcoo...strange one with the yellas that they always seem to start really well every single year and begin to fall away when the proper business end of the season rolls around. Bit early to say that this year but I think they'll need a good showing against the Magpies to get some momentum before their championship campaign begins.

What has happened Loughinisland? See they didn't field last night against Bryansford? They were struggling massively at the start of the year with Covid from what I hear but surely they can still get 15 lads to line out for league games? Seems like they've resigned themselves to the fact they won't be competitive this year in the SFC and with no relegation maybe it's not worth risking lads etc. which is fair enough.

RGU are some force to be reckoned with if this year is anything to go by...Prenter, Mooney, Smyth and D Turley seriously pacey and provide strength all over the pitch with Anthony Doherty back, Gerard Collins and Big Peter Turley at the edge of the square, they are my dark horses for a serious championship run...only thing going against them is they have been playing Div2 intensity all year which is hard to then adjust to the pace of Div1 teams like Kilcoo and Burren...

Has anyone seen much of the Stone or Castlewellan this year? I think the Stone will have too much at home to the Town and should just pip them...

Saval and Liatroim to go up from Div 3, Would be shocked if Shamrocks go and get a result in Liatroim this week but you never know I suppose...Great week of football ahead of us :)

Busy lad as he'll hopefully be playing hurling for us on the Sundays...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 31, 2021, 11:57:56 AM
Yea, supposedly a great hurler too...Fair play to the lad, hope the two codes don't out pressure on him to choose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on August 31, 2021, 01:03:38 PM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on August 31, 2021, 10:38:05 AM
Now that the destiny of Division 1 is firmly in CPN's hands (barring a final day slip up at home to Bryansford), attention turns to the other three divisions. All three have an exciting run in.
Division 2: Downpatrick are already promoted and should wrap up the title with a win at Saul on Friday. Last night's results have thrown up an interesting clash, as Longstone and Castlewellan play in a winner take all battle for the second promotion spot. The draw favours the Stone, should that be the result.
Division 3: 2 games remaining for most, and if Shamrocks can get a win away at Liatroim on Friday, it will leave all of the top 3 on 16 points going into the final match on Monday. A Liatroim win on Friday will see them and Saval promoted as Saval will have a 2 point lead over Shamrocks and have them on the head to head.
Division 4: With 2 games remaining, any of 4 teams still have a shot at going up. On Friday, Bright and St Pauls should have comfortable victories, but Kilclief and Dromara face each other. A Dromara win will see Kilclief out of the running, but a Kilclief win will see them both with a mathematical chance of going up, but needing a result elsewhere to give them a chance.
Longstone are almost assured promotion being 2 points ahead of Castlewellan and have a 48 point better points difference so unless there is a 25 point win by Castlewellan its pretty much game over in div 2. Although Longstone struggled go put away an under strength kingdom team on Friday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on August 31, 2021, 01:04:54 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 31, 2021, 01:03:38 PM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on August 31, 2021, 10:38:05 AM
Now that the destiny of Division 1 is firmly in CPN's hands (barring a final day slip up at home to Bryansford), attention turns to the other three divisions. All three have an exciting run in.
Division 2: Downpatrick are already promoted and should wrap up the title with a win at Saul on Friday. Last night's results have thrown up an interesting clash, as Longstone and Castlewellan play in a winner take all battle for the second promotion spot. The draw favours the Stone, should that be the result.
Division 3: 2 games remaining for most, and if Shamrocks can get a win away at Liatroim on Friday, it will leave all of the top 3 on 16 points going into the final match on Monday. A Liatroim win on Friday will see them and Saval promoted as Saval will have a 2 point lead over Shamrocks and have them on the head to head.
Division 4: With 2 games remaining, any of 4 teams still have a shot at going up. On Friday, Bright and St Pauls should have comfortable victories, but Kilclief and Dromara face each other. A Dromara win will see Kilclief out of the running, but a Kilclief win will see them both with a mathematical chance of going up, but needing a result elsewhere to give them a chance.
Longstone are almost assured promotion being 2 points ahead of Castlewellan and have a 48 point better points difference so unless there is a 25 point win by Castlewellan its pretty much game over in div 2. Although Longstone struggled go put away an under strength kingdom team on Friday
My understanding is that head to head is the tiebreaker, not score difference.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 31, 2021, 01:05:32 PM
Head to head in a two way tie for any position, surely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 31, 2021, 02:47:39 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 31, 2021, 01:05:32 PM
Head to head in a two way tie for any position, surely.

depends what rules Down CCC decide to use and that could change at any time.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on August 31, 2021, 03:19:50 PM
Apologies just looked at div 1 at it seems to be sorted on head to head so that must be the first tiebreaker
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 31, 2021, 03:23:35 PM
Do Castlewellan have any chance of beating the Stone? I thought the town were struggling for numbers at one stage...could Danny Hughes be in line for the county job at some point? Friendly with a couple of the lads on the oracle selection panel...wouldn't be surprised if he got the job somehow...

Seems to be doing a right enough job at castlewellan but still relatively inexperienced...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 31, 2021, 05:50:55 PM
Exciting end to the season
Division 1
We are in the driving seat but the Bridge Kilcoo or Clonduff could nip us if we aren't careful

Division 2
Downpatrick up with either Castlewellan or the stone to join them in a head to head game

Division 3
If Liatrom beat shamrocks it's Saval and Liatrom up


Castlewellan should not be where they are in Down football. The numbers they have they should be competing for honours. Just shows you the great job shorty done getting 2 leagues


Division 1 CPN Champions
Division 2 Downpatrick Castlwellan
Division 3 Liatrom Saval

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 01, 2021, 08:47:42 AM
With Mayobridge getting the points of Loughinisland on Friday it not means the Point needs to beat Byransford, a draw will not be sufficient. Clonduff needs to beat Kilcoo and hope CPN drop points to get their second league title in a number of weeks. Kilcoo will be looking to get a performance together as we move close to the championship, their supporters are getting a bit anxious of their league form and are worried about the injuries to key players. Paul Devlin and Dylan Ward have been instrumental to their success the past few years and it will be a massive loss for them. I know Devlin is long-term but is Ward?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 01, 2021, 09:19:39 AM
The bog one for us was Monday. Away to Belfast on a Monday but Carryduff were very poor
Are Carryduff a one season wonder?
Big talk about all these county players but are they overrated?

Championship finals
CPN v Kilcoo

An Riocht v Annaclone


Dundrum v East Down

Fixtures should be out fairly soon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 01, 2021, 10:21:12 AM
Carryduff are missing a few and they got a favourable run in the championship last year. The same way our lads in the Point got a very favourable run in 2019 to sneak in to a final...wouldn't call C'duff a one season wonder-they have beaten some good Div1 teams this year and a top 5 finish would be a good result for them in a very competitive league...

Massive opportunity for Warrenpoint this Friday to win our first bit of decent silverware in about 50yrs...we'll never have a better chance of winning the first division and it might never happen again. I think Burren and Kilcoo will be the final this year, with Clonduff their main threat. Clonduff can beat Kilcoo and Warrenpoint on their day but they won't beat Burren in the championship when it matters.

I was looking at the odds for Down SFC- Kilcoo 4/6, Burren and CPN 5/1, Clonduff 16/1...crazy stuff.

I'd have Kilcoo favourites for obvious reason but more like 6/5 as they have a hard draw first round...If Ward is missing that's a massive blow to the Magpies...that could make or break their defence of the Frank O'Hare cup

Clonduff at 16/1 is some price, if they can avoid the big guns early they have a real opportunity and they've got an easy first round draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 01, 2021, 11:09:50 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 01, 2021, 09:19:39 AM
The bog one for us was Monday. Away to Belfast on a Monday but Carryduff were very poor
Are Carryduff a one season wonder?
Big talk about all these county players but are they overrated?

Championship finals
CPN v Kilcoo

An Riocht v Annaclone


Dundrum v East Down

Fixtures should be out fairly soon

Bryansford are a proud club and I tell you one thing, they ain't travelling to you just for a trophy presentation. The young coaches in Bryansford are been improving the team week on week and fair play to them after being shafted at the beginning of the year. They are always a strong championship team too.

It would be a massive statement of intent going into the championship if Clonduff can beat Kilcoo on Friday night but Kilcoo won't want two defeats on the bounce going into a championship campaign so I expect them to bounce back.

I am looking forward to heading to Longstone for the winner takes all game. Two proud clubs who believe themselves to be top tier clubs. I think it will be a spicy affair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 01, 2021, 11:50:52 AM
What does your gut say about the Stone game Truth? Hard place to go and think the tight pitch might just favour the stone...Castlewellan a great running team and have plenty of dangerous forwards but might not have the space up there to cause the usual damage they would on an open pitch..

If the game was in Castlewellan, I'd fancy the town but my gut says Stone by 2...agree though, it'll be spicy and will need a good referee taking charge. Any word who will get it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 01, 2021, 12:01:12 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 01, 2021, 11:50:52 AM
What does your gut say about the Stone game Truth? Hard place to go and think the tight pitch might just favour the stone...Castlewellan a great running team and have plenty of dangerous forwards but might not have the space up there to cause the usual damage they would on an open pitch..

If the game was in Castlewellan, I'd fancy the town but my gut says Stone by 2...agree though, it'll be spicy and will need a good referee taking charge. Any word who will get it?


No ref assigned for it and the Clonduff and Kilcoo game, probably as no one wants to do them ;)

I think Longstone will grind out a victory narrowly but its the biggest game of the weekend with a massive prize on offer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 01, 2021, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 27, 2021, 02:51:55 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 27, 2021, 01:22:30 PM
But who red and black?
It's ok saying this and that
Who can we realistically get?

That's the job for the expert 5 man panel, that's why they were appointed, but please don't come back to us with previous failures, former players, queen's old boys or someone off the buddy list. The people of Down deserve better. Antrim got McGinley, Derry got Gallagher, Armagh wanted someone got Donaghy, Monaghan got Buckley, Donegal got Rochford, just look at that list in comparison and tell me we can't do better?

I'd like John Kennedy given a chance - he took Glenn from the doldrums to Div 1, since managed in Louth and been with Dromintee the past couple of years winning Div1 title this year. He was in for a shout with the u20's a few years back however the panel did not want poucher involved with him.

I know first hand JK lives for it, proven in down+armagh now. Maybe as he wasnt part of the 91 or 94 team may go against him all the same  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 01, 2021, 12:33:09 PM
Quote from: general on September 01, 2021, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 27, 2021, 02:51:55 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 27, 2021, 01:22:30 PM
But who red and black?
It's ok saying this and that
Who can we realistically get?

That's the job for the expert 5 man panel, that's why they were appointed, but please don't come back to us with previous failures, former players, queen's old boys or someone off the buddy list. The people of Down deserve better. Antrim got McGinley, Derry got Gallagher, Armagh wanted someone got Donaghy, Monaghan got Buckley, Donegal got Rochford, just look at that list in comparison and tell me we can't do better?

I'd like John Kennedy given a chance - he took Glenn from the doldrums to Div 1, since managed in Louth and been with Dromintee the past couple of years winning Div1 title this year. He was in for a shout with the u20's a few years back however the panel did not want poucher involved with him.

I know first hand JK lives for it, proven in down+armagh now. Maybe as he wasnt part of the 91 or 94 team may go against him all the same  ::)

Please take your Glenn-coated glasses off,  Glenn got to division 1 with an exceptional group of players who came through at the same time. I have no doubt that Kennedy is a good manager but he has never been part of an intercounty set up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on September 01, 2021, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 01, 2021, 09:19:39 AM
The bog one for us was Monday. Away to Belfast on a Monday but Carryduff were very poor
Are Carryduff a one season wonder?
Big talk about all these county players but are they overrated?

Have struggled massively with injuries all year especially to key players, Connery Mcgeough Beatty McCabe Mcgonigle among 9 players missing on Monday. Wider squad just not strong enough to compete with a very slick point team. Two county boys that played didn't have much support so a tad unfair there. Mid table finish in our first season isn't the worst account given how much we've struggled with numbers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 01, 2021, 01:34:06 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on September 01, 2021, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 01, 2021, 09:19:39 AM
The bog one for us was Monday. Away to Belfast on a Monday but Carryduff were very poor
Are Carryduff a one season wonder?
Big talk about all these county players but are they overrated?

Have struggled massively with injuries all year especially to key players, Connery Mcgeough Beatty McCabe Mcgonigle among 9 players missing on Monday. Wider squad just not strong enough to compete with a very slick point team. Two county boys that played didn't have much support so a tad unfair there. Mid table finish in our first season isn't the worst account given how much we've struggled with numbers.

A Belfast club struggling for numbers emphasise the problem; imagine how difficult it is for small rural clubs. Maybe it's time to go 13-a-side; make it easier for small clubs (and counties) to compete. More space might also make defensive strategies less effective

Hope CPN win tonight; having so many players poached by Burren down the years must have been frustrating. Down football really needs the bigger towns like Warrenpoint, Castlewellan, and Downpatrick to prosper if we are ever again to challenge at county level. Newry is a dead duck, it seems
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 01, 2021, 01:41:19 PM
Is the reason no ref appointed because the game is called off?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 01, 2021, 01:46:21 PM
Quote from: befair on September 01, 2021, 01:34:06 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on September 01, 2021, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 01, 2021, 09:19:39 AM
The bog one for us was Monday. Away to Belfast on a Monday but Carryduff were very poor
Are Carryduff a one season wonder?
Big talk about all these county players but are they overrated?

Have struggled massively with injuries all year especially to key players, Connery Mcgeough Beatty McCabe Mcgonigle among 9 players missing on Monday. Wider squad just not strong enough to compete with a very slick point team. Two county boys that played didn't have much support so a tad unfair there. Mid table finish in our first season isn't the worst account given how much we've struggled with numbers.

A Belfast club struggling for numbers emphasise the problem; imagine how difficult it is for small rural clubs. Maybe it's time to go 13-a-side; make it easier for small clubs (and counties) to compete. More space might also make defensive strategies less effective

Hope CPN win tonight; having so many players poached by Burren down the years must have been frustrating. Down football really needs the bigger towns like Warrenpoint, Castlewellan, and Downpatrick to prosper if we are ever again to challenge at county level. Newry is a dead duck, it seems

Carryduff , Bredagh and East Belfast are lucky that they come unbder the gaelfast. Newry needs a full time gaa officer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 01, 2021, 01:52:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 01, 2021, 01:46:21 PM
Quote from: befair on September 01, 2021, 01:34:06 PM
Quote from: Centre 3/4 on September 01, 2021, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 01, 2021, 09:19:39 AM
The bog one for us was Monday. Away to Belfast on a Monday but Carryduff were very poor
Are Carryduff a one season wonder?
Big talk about all these county players but are they overrated?

Have struggled massively with injuries all year especially to key players, Connery Mcgeough Beatty McCabe Mcgonigle among 9 players missing on Monday. Wider squad just not strong enough to compete with a very slick point team. Two county boys that played didn't have much support so a tad unfair there. Mid table finish in our first season isn't the worst account given how much we've struggled with numbers.

A Belfast club struggling for numbers emphasise the problem; imagine how difficult it is for small rural clubs. Maybe it's time to go 13-a-side; make it easier for small clubs (and counties) to compete. More space might also make defensive strategies less effective

Hope CPN win tonight; having so many players poached by Burren down the years must have been frustrating. Down football really needs the bigger towns like Warrenpoint, Castlewellan, and Downpatrick to prosper if we are ever again to challenge at county level. Newry is a dead duck, it seems

Carryduff , Bredagh and East Belfast are lucky that they come unbder the gaelfast. Newry needs a full time gaa officer

you reckon?

Wonder if any of the three have noticed themselves...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 01, 2021, 02:17:06 PM
the 4 Newry clubs would see a benefit immediately, 20,000 of a poplulation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 01, 2021, 02:44:13 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 01, 2021, 02:17:06 PM
the 4 Newry clubs would see a benefit immediately, 20,000 of a poplulation

What benefit do you think Carryduff, Bredagh and less so East Belfast availed of as part of Gaelfast?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 01, 2021, 03:05:15 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2021, 02:44:13 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 01, 2021, 02:17:06 PM
the 4 Newry clubs would see a benefit immediately, 20,000 of a poplulation

What benefit do you think Carryduff, Bredagh and less so East Belfast availed of as part of Gaelfast?

I am sure East Belfast would be getting help. Do you not think a games promotion officer in Newry would be a waste of money?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 01, 2021, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 01, 2021, 03:05:15 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2021, 02:44:13 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 01, 2021, 02:17:06 PM
the 4 Newry clubs would see a benefit immediately, 20,000 of a poplulation

What benefit do you think Carryduff, Bredagh and less so East Belfast availed of as part of Gaelfast?

I am sure East Belfast would be getting help. Do you not think a games promotion officer in Newry would be a waste of money?

I'm sure there's already county and Ulster GDO's working in Newry, not full time all the same.

From what I'm aware there's very little "extra" for the three clubs you mentioned as Antrim CB took control and not only had coaches in Belfast but North Antrim and the likes..

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 02, 2021, 10:04:14 AM
Any word when the championship fixtures are being announced, as in date, venue, ref etc.

Surely the league conclusions don't affect the Championship do they have to wait until after Friday to plan them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 02, 2021, 10:10:43 AM
Also, See Loughinisland have conceded tomorrow night's game again...bad state of affairs when there are division one teams unable to field...Covid has been a real hammering for them this year and injuries on top of it by the sounds of things...not having much luck. Surely even they could fire some Minors or U20s out on the pitch for a game and try to avoid a fine...? There has to be 15 ppl fi and able to play a game on Friday night, just not ideal prep for their championship campaign ahead...

So if Clonduff beat Kilcoo and Ford beat Warrenpoint, Clonduff pip their neighbours on head to head to win the league...if CPN win they lift Div1 for their first time ever and if CPN and Clonduff are both beaten then the Bridge take it home...great finish in store. My prediction is Clonduff by 2, Warrenpoint to Draw and Clonduff to win the league on three way H2H
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 02, 2021, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 02, 2021, 10:04:14 AM
Any word when the championship fixtures are being announced, as in date, venue, ref etc.

Surely the league conclusions don't affect the Championship do they have to wait until after Friday to plan them?

Championship dates sent around the clubs this morning
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 02, 2021, 02:31:58 PM
I expect CPN to win comfortably this evening; I hope they celebrate as they deserve.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on September 02, 2021, 02:50:38 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 02, 2021, 10:04:14 AM
Any word when the championship fixtures are being announced, as in date, venue, ref etc.

Surely the league conclusions don't affect the Championship do they have to wait until after Friday to plan them?

Nothing posted officially on county website or social media, but there's fixtures showing on Wikipedia so who knows if they are real or someone having us on:

16 September 2021Round 1   Longstone    v Warrenpoint   Ballymartin   
19:30 IST (UTC+1)            Venue: Páirc Cois na Farraige
17 September 2021Round 1   Saul    v Burren   Liatroim   
19:30 IST (UTC+1)            Venue: Fontenoy Park
18 September 2021Round 1   Bredagh    v Castlewellan   Downpatrick   
14:00 IST (UTC+1)            Venue: Páirc Tomás Ruséil
18 September 2021Round 1   RGU Downpatrick    v    Carryduff   Darragh Cross   
17:00 IST (UTC+1)            Venue: St Mochai's Park
19 September 2021Round 1   Mayobridge    v    Kilcoo   Newry   
15:00 IST (UTC+1)            Venue: Páirc Esler
19 September 2021Round 1   Loughinisland    v    Ballyholland Harps   Newcastle   
17:00 IST (UTC+1)            Venue: St Patrick's Park
19 September 2021Round 1   Clonduff    v    Rostrevor   Newry   
19:00 IST (UTC+1)            Venue: Páirc Esler
20 September 2021Round 1   Bryansford    v   Glenn   Newry   
19:15 IST (UTC+1)            Venue: Páirc Esler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 02, 2021, 05:59:14 PM
RGU have it on their Facebook page as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 02, 2021, 09:55:12 PM
Massive weekend for the club..
seniors to win the first division title tomorrow
Seconds to win championship Saturday
Senior ladies to win league Saturday evening..
#blues
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 02, 2021, 11:05:27 PM
We are winning on all fronts
The hard work is paying off
Barring an off night the league title looks in the bag
That will set us up well for the big one
The big one looks as open this year than any other year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 03, 2021, 08:42:13 AM
I would hate to see it if you got a bit of success
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 03, 2021, 09:29:14 AM
Jesus Christ I'm a Point Man and even I can't listen to that garbage from these two Gobshites...any wonder half the county hates us...

Would be great for our lads to win something, this group has given us a lot of joy over the last few years and their efforts are massively thanked by gaels in our club as we were in a terrible place not that long ago. We were a Yo-Yo intermediate team about 6yrs ago, A division one title was laughable then. I still don't think we are good enough to win a SFC but here's hoping they prove me wrong. The seconds are massively up against it on Saturday, Burren will win that match handy IMO. They have the most strength and depth of any club in Down and I'd argue Kilcoo and Clonduff are next best, we have been fortunate to get an easier draw to the final but you can only beat what's in front of you.

Still think there's a twist in the tale tonight, Ford always good when there's no pressure on them. I fully expect them to take this game the whole way...Still think the Bridge will fancy their chances of winning the league.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on September 03, 2021, 01:07:17 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 03, 2021, 09:29:14 AM
Jesus Christ I'm a Point Man and even I can't listen to that garbage from these two Gobshites...any wonder half the county hates us...

Would be great for our lads to win something, this group has given us a lot of joy over the last few years and their efforts are massively thanked by gaels in our club as we were in a terrible place not that long ago. We were a Yo-Yo intermediate team about 6yrs ago, A division one title was laughable then. I still don't think we are good enough to win a SFC but here's hoping they prove me wrong. The seconds are massively up against it on Saturday, Burren will win that match handy IMO. They have the most strength and depth of any club in Down and I'd argue Kilcoo and Clonduff are next best, we have been fortunate to get an easier draw to the final but you can only beat what's in front of you.

Still think there's a twist in the tale tonight, Ford always good when there's no pressure on them. I fully expect them to take this game the whole way...Still think the Bridge will fancy their chances of winning the league.

As a fellow point man I cudnt agree more, 2 Arsholes.  Probably didn't even know where moygannon was when we where in the 2nd division
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 03, 2021, 01:18:54 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 03, 2021, 09:29:14 AM
Jesus Christ I'm a Point Man and even I can't listen to that garbage from these two Gobshites...any wonder half the county hates us...

Would be great for our lads to win something, this group has given us a lot of joy over the last few years and their efforts are massively thanked by gaels in our club as we were in a terrible place not that long ago. We were a Yo-Yo intermediate team about 6yrs ago, A division one title was laughable then. I still don't think we are good enough to win a SFC but here's hoping they prove me wrong. The seconds are massively up against it on Saturday, Burren will win that match handy IMO. They have the most strength and depth of any club in Down and I'd argue Kilcoo and Clonduff are next best, we have been fortunate to get an easier draw to the final but you can only beat what's in front of you.

Still think there's a twist in the tale tonight, Ford always good when there's no pressure on them. I fully expect them to take this game the whole way...Still think the Bridge will fancy their chances of winning the league.

Warrenpoint would not be hated generally but recently have become a bit vocal, doing great work in a town and other urban centres should take note especially in East Down where we have a lor of untapped resources
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 03, 2021, 02:44:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 03, 2021, 01:18:54 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 03, 2021, 09:29:14 AM
Jesus Christ I'm a Point Man and even I can't listen to that garbage from these two Gobshites...any wonder half the county hates us...

Would be great for our lads to win something, this group has given us a lot of joy over the last few years and their efforts are massively thanked by gaels in our club as we were in a terrible place not that long ago. We were a Yo-Yo intermediate team about 6yrs ago, A division one title was laughable then. I still don't think we are good enough to win a SFC but here's hoping they prove me wrong. The seconds are massively up against it on Saturday, Burren will win that match handy IMO. They have the most strength and depth of any club in Down and I'd argue Kilcoo and Clonduff are next best, we have been fortunate to get an easier draw to the final but you can only beat what's in front of you.

Still think there's a twist in the tale tonight, Ford always good when there's no pressure on them. I fully expect them to take this game the whole way...Still think the Bridge will fancy their chances of winning the league.

Warrenpoint would not be hated generally but recently have become a bit vocal, doing great work in a town and other urban centres should take note especially in East Down where we have a lor of untapped resources

CPN certainly aren't hated; most Down men are delighted to see your club going well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 03, 2021, 03:17:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 03, 2021, 01:18:54 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 03, 2021, 09:29:14 AM
Jesus Christ I'm a Point Man and even I can't listen to that garbage from these two Gobshites...any wonder half the county hates us...

Would be great for our lads to win something, this group has given us a lot of joy over the last few years and their efforts are massively thanked by gaels in our club as we were in a terrible place not that long ago. We were a Yo-Yo intermediate team about 6yrs ago, A division one title was laughable then. I still don't think we are good enough to win a SFC but here's hoping they prove me wrong. The seconds are massively up against it on Saturday, Burren will win that match handy IMO. They have the most strength and depth of any club in Down and I'd argue Kilcoo and Clonduff are next best, we have been fortunate to get an easier draw to the final but you can only beat what's in front of you.

Still think there's a twist in the tale tonight, Ford always good when there's no pressure on them. I fully expect them to take this game the whole way...Still think the Bridge will fancy their chances of winning the league.

Warrenpoint would not be hated generally but recently have become a bit vocal, doing great work in a town and other urban centres should take note especially in East Down where we have a lor of untapped resources

yip, those hoors in Donaghadee should be doing more..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 03, 2021, 04:15:07 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 03, 2021, 03:17:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 03, 2021, 01:18:54 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 03, 2021, 09:29:14 AM
Jesus Christ I'm a Point Man and even I can't listen to that garbage from these two Gobshites...any wonder half the county hates us...

Would be great for our lads to win something, this group has given us a lot of joy over the last few years and their efforts are massively thanked by gaels in our club as we were in a terrible place not that long ago. We were a Yo-Yo intermediate team about 6yrs ago, A division one title was laughable then. I still don't think we are good enough to win a SFC but here's hoping they prove me wrong. The seconds are massively up against it on Saturday, Burren will win that match handy IMO. They have the most strength and depth of any club in Down and I'd argue Kilcoo and Clonduff are next best, we have been fortunate to get an easier draw to the final but you can only beat what's in front of you.

Still think there's a twist in the tale tonight, Ford always good when there's no pressure on them. I fully expect them to take this game the whole way...Still think the Bridge will fancy their chances of winning the league.

Warrenpoint would not be hated generally but recently have become a bit vocal, doing great work in a town and other urban centres should take note especially in East Down where we have a lor of untapped resources

yip, those hoors in Donaghadee should be doing more..

I was more thinking of places like Banbridge, Crossgar but I also believe places like Ardglass, Dundrum, Drumaness who have good populations should be higher up the leagues. Drumaness are a sleeping giant in this county and have a great pick, if the players could concentrate on gaelic instead of the Mills they would fly through the divisons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 03, 2021, 07:21:57 PM
1st half water break. Kilcoo 0-04 clonduff 0-01
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 03, 2021, 07:37:29 PM
Half time. Kilcoo 0-06 clonduff 1-05

High ball in bounced over keeper head and in on the whistle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 03, 2021, 08:19:37 PM
2-12 to 1-12 clonduff win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 03, 2021, 08:37:47 PM
Warrenpoint 3-15 Bryansford 4-4.

Warrenpoint Div1 league champions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 03, 2021, 08:46:25 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on September 03, 2021, 08:37:47 PM
Warrenpoint 3-15 Bryansford 4-4.

Warrenpoint Div1 league champions
What times the open top bus parade?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on September 03, 2021, 08:56:37 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 03, 2021, 09:29:25 PM
1 out of 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 03, 2021, 09:29:58 PM
Who's promoted from 2 with the town beating Longstone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 03, 2021, 09:38:50 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on September 03, 2021, 09:29:58 PM
Who's promoted from 2 with the town beating Longstone?
dp and castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 04, 2021, 01:20:16 AM
What a brilliant night for our club. Massive thanks to our players and management over the last number of years for their hard work and dedication. Game played in the right spirit and Ford came to moygannon to win the game no doubt, fair play to them and they're a fantastic club...well done also to Castlewellan on their late victory. Hard luck to longstone, very hard to take but they'll be back...

Hope our lads and any club who had a positive end to the season enjoy their night and anyone who is struggling as well takes solace in the fact there is no relegation and can regroup for next year.

Open bus parade put on hold due to Covid, thanks for earlier poster for asking. A pint of black for us all in the point just to quietly celebrate a small club competing at the highest level after being so obscure for decades...thanks to those that have sent good wishes. Oiche Mhaith
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 04, 2021, 08:27:39 AM
Up and win - Is this your season finished! CPN not sticking around for Championship.

Ballyholland suffered a heavy defeat? Not like them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CornUladh on September 04, 2021, 01:31:10 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 01, 2021, 02:17:06 PM
the 4 Newry clubs would see a benefit immediately, 20,000 of a poplulation

8 clubs pull players out of newry or just out of it
Shamrocks
Bosco
Mitchels
Ballyholland
Burren (old point road)
Saval (damolly)
Killeavey (dub road)
Thomas Davis (dub road and Barcroft carnagat)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 04, 2021, 01:45:17 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 04, 2021, 01:20:16 AM
What a brilliant night for our club. Massive thanks to our players and management over the last number of years for their hard work and dedication. Game played in the right spirit and Ford came to moygannon to win the game no doubt, fair play to them and they're a fantastic club...well done also to Castlewellan on their late victory. Hard luck to longstone, very hard to take but they'll be back...

Hope our lads and any club who had a positive end to the season enjoy their night and anyone who is struggling as well takes solace in the fact there is no relegation and can regroup for next year.

Open bus parade put on hold due to Covid, thanks for earlier poster for asking. A pint of black for us all in the point just to quietly celebrate a small club competing at the highest level after being so obscure for decades...thanks to those that have sent good wishes. Oiche Mhaith

Nice post but I don't think you can call the point a small club! Congratulations though!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 05, 2021, 04:27:33 PM
And so the weekend ends with 1 out of 3 - but it is the one we wanted.. Burren were marginally better than us yesterday playing their senior team (scoreboard didn't reflect the game at all) and the ladies just left too much of a hill to climb v Saul
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on September 05, 2021, 05:27:24 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 05, 2021, 04:27:33 PM
And so the weekend ends with 1 out of 3 - but it is the one we wanted.. Burren were marginally better than us yesterday playing their senior team (scoreboard didn't reflect the game at all) and the ladies just left too much of a hill to climb v Saul

Strange assessment of the Reserve match.

Burren created half a dozen goal chances and took 5. Point never looked like scoring a goal. So hard to see how the "scoreboard didn't reflect the game".

As for the comment about "playing the senior team". Name the players that are seniors. I only saw 2 players on the Burren team that have started any senior league games this year - I'm sure the point had nearly as many.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 05, 2021, 05:32:55 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on September 05, 2021, 05:27:24 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 05, 2021, 04:27:33 PM
And so the weekend ends with 1 out of 3 - but it is the one we wanted.. Burren were marginally better than us yesterday playing their senior team (scoreboard didn't reflect the game at all) and the ladies just left too much of a hill to climb v Saul

Strange assessment of the Reserve match.

Burren created half a dozen goal chances and took 5. Point never looked like scoring a goal. So hard to see how the "scoreboard didn't reflect the game".

As for the comment about "playing the senior team". Name the players that are seniors. I only saw 2 players on the Burren team that have started any senior league games this year - I'm sure the point had nearly as many.

Shouldn't worry yourself on such things. It's standard practice after any reserve league semi final or final (as it was named 13 only exempt this year, it was like a league match in terms of eligibility) to complain bitterly about the opposing team; and then cite "sure every one of them is a senior footballer", even if they last played at that level 10 years ago, or have managed 10 whole minutes at it this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 05, 2021, 09:38:43 PM


Strange assessment of the Reserve match.

Burren created half a dozen goal chances and took 5. Point never looked like scoring a goal. So hard to see how the "scoreboard didn't reflect the game".

As for the comment about "playing the senior team". Name the players that are seniors. I only saw 2 players on the Burren team that have started any senior league games this year - I'm sure the point had nearly as many.
[/quote]

Mcavoy in corner back
Fitzpatrick in corner back
Tony Magee in wing half
McCarthy played on down U20s team and their seniors
Fitzpatrick in half forward
Seàn murdock
Murphy in full forward
Toner in corner forward.

Brought on Poland and Zach murdock and both played Friday night v Ballyholland

That's 10....

We had Azza, Nidge, givran, Seàn O'Hare, Aaron D'Arcy and brought on Byrne and JG
That's 7...
Do the math...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 05, 2021, 10:11:58 PM
Your an absolute twat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on September 05, 2021, 11:00:17 PM
Sometimes it's just best to accept defeat with a bit of grace and move on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on September 05, 2021, 11:45:27 PM
The scoreboard done the math. Accept it and move on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on September 06, 2021, 09:44:33 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 05, 2021, 09:38:43 PM



Mcavoy in corner back
Fitzpatrick in corner back
Tony Magee in wing half
McCarthy played on down U20s team and their seniors
Fitzpatrick in half forward
Seàn murdock
Murphy in full forward
Toner in corner forward.

Brought on Poland and Zach murdock and both played Friday night v Ballyholland

That's 10....

We had Azza, Nidge, givran, Seàn O'Hare, Aaron D'Arcy and brought on Byrne and JG
That's 7...
Do the math...
[/quote]

You can knock 5 off that Burren list. The 2 Fitzpatrick's, McAvoy, Magee and S Murdock haven't played for Burren in the senior league this year much - Sean and Mal might have played a few minutes as subs. Can't remember the other 3 featuring at all - think they may have been subs but can't remember them getting on.

McCarthy, Toner and Zach are still only 18 (they'd still be minors in the old u18 system) so it's not surprising they're getting game time in reserves to get them used to adult football. They've mostly been subs in the league and in Toners case is coming back from injury.

New management and new players in have changed the landscape a bit. So players who may have been 1st picks last year have might not be this year.

Anyway as wobbler cleared up there were only 13 players ineligible which in a squad the size of Burrens isn't a lot (I think I heard they had about 60 or more senior players registered this year).  Burren probably could have declared a full match day panel of 24 ineligible and still put out that starting line up.

So all within the rules of the competition - time to move on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 06, 2021, 12:44:27 PM
Burren were by far the better team on Saturday, no complaints...comhairdeas to them for a thoroughly deserved win. Our lads looked nervous and made so many poor individual errors that were capitalised on by Burren. In all honesty, only for the ref it could have been worse for us on the day but I don't think there's a 16pt difference in those two teams. Still a good weekend, Friday was great for our club and I'm sure Burren celebrated their win on Saturday just as much, as they should.

In terms of Championship, it's as wide open a SFC as there's been in 10yrs. Kilcoo won't have a 100% PD, Ward or JJ for the first couple of rounds and that could prove tough for their squad. Their league campaign won't raise too many eyebrows as they don't worry too much about the league at this stage. I think Burren and Clonduff are still the main threat but Mayobridge can beat Kilcoo first round...

IMO from what I've seen and heard I'd have Burren slight favourite and Clonduff and Kilcoo and CPN at a par, just because of Kilcoo's injury concerns. With a fully fit squad they'd win the SFC again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 06, 2021, 01:14:42 PM
Let's be honest, no reserve championship should be played before the senior championship as most teams were backfilled with senior players who would not normally play in reserve championships but every team has the same rules.
In ref SFC Kilcoo are still the big favourites, dont be kidding yourselves despite the injuries. The chasing pack led by CPN are much of a muchness . CPN, Burren, Clonduff, Mayobridge, and Carryduff.
Harps and RGU will also be dangerous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on September 06, 2021, 01:30:41 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 06, 2021, 01:14:42 PM
In ref SFC Kilcoo are still the big favourites, dont be kidding yourselves despite the injuries. The chasing pack led by CPN are much of a muchness . CPN, Burren, Clonduff, Mayobridge, and Carryduff.
Harps and RGU will also be dangerous.
Absolutely. It almost feels like we have this same discussion every year "oh Kilcoo aren't the team they were" then they get to yet another final, and all bar one win it. It definitely feels like the chasing pack are getting closer though and having more teams in it will make for a fantastic championship.

On that note, does anyone know if the county are doing a season ticket pass like they have in Armagh and Derry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 06, 2021, 02:35:31 PM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on September 06, 2021, 01:30:41 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 06, 2021, 01:14:42 PM
In ref SFC Kilcoo are still the big favourites, dont be kidding yourselves despite the injuries. The chasing pack led by CPN are much of a muchness . CPN, Burren, Clonduff, Mayobridge, and Carryduff.
Harps and RGU will also be dangerous.
Absolutely. It almost feels like we have this same discussion every year "oh Kilcoo aren't the team they were" then they get to yet another final, and all bar one win it. It definitely feels like the chasing pack are getting closer though and having more teams in it will make for a fantastic championship.

On that note, does anyone know if the county are doing a season ticket pass like they have in Armagh and Derry?

How much are they, would love something like that, or a season pass for the streamed games. Any odds on intermediate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on September 06, 2021, 03:50:40 PM
Over in Derry, £70. £80 for Armagh. Sounds like a lot but let's be realistic, the lowest amount we'd be charged in to games is £8, maybe even £10 or £12. Given the fact there's 27 games in the senior championship alone, you could easily take in 8-10 games in the first two rounds and the rest of the championship would effectively be free for you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 07, 2021, 08:43:17 AM
a even a round pass for £30 would be good
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 07, 2021, 08:55:28 AM
Well down to Bright on winning division 4 , they are a club on the up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on September 07, 2021, 01:40:48 PM
Anyone know when the C/ship draw is on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 07, 2021, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: ck on September 07, 2021, 01:40:48 PM
Anyone know when the C/ship draw is on?
Are you serious?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 07, 2021, 03:25:46 PM
Quote from: SamFever on September 07, 2021, 02:15:57 PM
Quote from: ck on September 07, 2021, 01:40:48 PM
Anyone know when the C/ship draw is on?
Are you serious?

For 2022 LOL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 09, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
No word of the Annaclone and Loughinisland game last night? If it was the RGU involved there would have been ten pages on it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 09, 2021, 08:52:39 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 09, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
No word of the Annaclone and Loughinisland game last night? If it was the RGU involved there would have been ten pages on it.

I think you'll find that when there's a 5-minute video of unpleasant scenes doing the rounds, it'll generate 10 pages.

The clubs involved are inconsequential.

But you carry on being paranoid.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on September 09, 2021, 09:29:12 AM
The ten pages was generated by a 'lady' supporter of RGU putting up the video so don't complain when it goes viral.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 09, 2021, 12:45:53 PM
What did I miss?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on September 09, 2021, 12:47:46 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 09, 2021, 08:52:39 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 09, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
No word of the Annaclone and Loughinisland game last night? If it was the RGU involved there would have been ten pages on it.

I think you'll find that when there's a 5-minute video of unpleasant scenes doing the rounds, it'll generate 10 pages.

The clubs involved are inconsequential.

But you carry on being paranoid.

There is a video going around, so what are you getting at?

And the clubs being inconsequential to whom exactly?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 09, 2021, 01:06:19 PM
I believe it's very important that the clubs are named and actions are taken, a video of fist fighting, people rolling around the ground after being struck, young kids being in close proximity, people heard shouting "get him" and "hit him". It's disgraceful and needs to be highlighted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 09, 2021, 01:09:35 PM
Haven't seen it so can't comment. Don't even know which clubs are involved.
One in all in is too common now and a way to prevent it needs to be found.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on September 09, 2021, 01:26:59 PM
Are you annoyed that there was a fight at an U19 match or that people aren't giving those clubs a hard time because your club did previously?

I haven't seen a video and wasn't at the match so can't comment on it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 09, 2021, 02:04:02 PM
Firstly annoyed that people think it acceptable to have a free for all on a GAA pitch. Nothing is ever done about them as clubs always cry and appeal on a technicality.

Secondly, clubs in the county get less grief than other clubs when things such as this happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 09, 2021, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 09, 2021, 02:04:02 PM
Firstly annoyed that people think it acceptable to have a free for all on a GAA pitch. Nothing is ever done about them as clubs always cry and appeal on a technicality.

Secondly, clubs in the county get less grief than other clubs when things such as this happen.

There's that paranoia again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 09, 2021, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 09, 2021, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 09, 2021, 02:04:02 PM
Firstly annoyed that people think it acceptable to have a free for all on a GAA pitch. Nothing is ever done about them as clubs always cry and appeal on a technicality.

Secondly, clubs in the county get less grief than other clubs when things such as this happen.

There's that paranoia again.

I call it facts, your club appealed the expulsion of the  senior championship after your fight in Kilcoo car park.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 09, 2021, 02:32:59 PM
There were 7 neutral officials at the match, the chair of CCC was at the match, and a full length video of the incident was published and picked up by every media outlet in Ireland.

Both clubs were evidently guilty of bringing the game into disrepute. This was beyond dispute.

The severity of the punishments though is undefined for such occurrences so both clubs naturally did what they could to mitigate their initial sanctions.

But if you're expecting every melee to be investigated and administered in equal fashion, you need to understand that CCC are bound initially to the referee's report, and where appropriate and fair, the use of video evidence. If neither is conclusive in their need to deliver sanctions, then you really can't expect CCC to go on a wild goose hunt.

Harps v RGU in Kilcoo, in terms of misdemeanours to investigate, was beyond clear cut.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on September 09, 2021, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 09, 2021, 02:04:02 PM
Firstly annoyed that people think it acceptable to have a free for all on a GAA pitch. Nothing is ever done about them as clubs always cry and appeal on a technicality.

Secondly, clubs in the county get less grief than other clubs when things such as this happen.

Annaclone have more than their fair share of heavy punishment over the years, before the days of lawyers appealing suspensions, so I don't know where you're getting that out of.

You've watched a clip on a video and want 2 smaller clubs smashed over the head because RGU got punished for being involved in high profile incidents.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 09, 2021, 03:55:13 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 09, 2021, 03:39:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 09, 2021, 02:04:02 PM
Firstly annoyed that people think it acceptable to have a free for all on a GAA pitch. Nothing is ever done about them as clubs always cry and appeal on a technicality.

Secondly, clubs in the county get less grief than other clubs when things such as this happen.

Annaclone have more than their fair share of heavy punishment over the years, before the days of lawyers appealing suspensions, so I don't know where you're getting that out of.

You've watched a clip on a video and want 2 smaller clubs smashed over the head because RGU got punished for being involved in high profile incidents.

Annaclone getting punishment, somehow i find that hard to believe  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 10, 2021, 07:50:27 AM
If the two clubs are inconsequential god help us with the we  future of Down football, the Wobble Gob would be picking the county team from Newry/Warrenpoint, there isn't one club that can stand up and claim they have never been involved in a dust up, don't condone it but annoys me when people try to take the moral high ground, especially those dickheads among us from Burren or Warrenpoint.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 10, 2021, 08:53:26 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 10, 2021, 07:50:27 AM
If the two clubs are inconsequential god help us with the we  future of Down football, the Wobble Gob would be picking the county team from Newry/Warrenpoint, there isn't one club that can stand up and claim they have never been involved in a dust up, don't condone it but annoys me when people try to take the moral high ground, especially those dickheads among us from Burren or Warrenpoint.

What have you again Burren and Warrenpoint?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 10, 2021, 09:16:41 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 10, 2021, 07:50:27 AM
If the two clubs are inconsequential god help us with the we  future of Down football, the Wobble Gob would be picking the county team from Newry/Warrenpoint, there isn't one club that can stand up and claim they have never been involved in a dust up, don't condone it but annoys me when people try to take the moral high ground, especially those dickheads among us from Burren or Warrenpoint.

Ah for fucks sake.

Read it again, without an agenda.

Whichever teams involved are inconsequential in terms of sanctions. Not inconsequential in terms of their worth as clubs. CCC don't judge the severity of sanctions by the colour of jerseys. That's the point I'm making.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 10, 2021, 11:33:30 AM
So Conor Deegans will be announced as the new senior manager soon, what are your thoiughts? Is he keeping it warm for Laverty?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on September 10, 2021, 12:46:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 10, 2021, 11:33:30 AM
So Conor Deegans will be announced as the new senior manager soon, what are your thoiughts? Is he keeping it warm for Laverty?

Would question the logic behind it given a relatively poor recent track record in management. From Dromara to the county job is quite a leap. Though hopefully he would have a good relationship with some of the players from his role with the under 21's previously. It's a difficult job for anyone to take on regardless, and if it is him hopefully he gets players buying in and has good people around him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 10, 2021, 02:24:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 10, 2021, 11:33:30 AM
So Conor Deegans will be announced as the new senior manager soon, what are your thoiughts? Is he keeping it warm for Laverty?

That'll be us relegated and if we meet anyone other than Fermanagh we'll be out first round in Ulster.. Terrible manager, Counter underage players that I know, they didn't like his methods and thought his tactics were outdated
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 10, 2021, 02:36:56 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 10, 2021, 02:24:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 10, 2021, 11:33:30 AM
So Conor Deegans will be announced as the new senior manager soon, what are your thoiughts? Is he keeping it warm for Laverty?

That'll be us relegated and if we meet anyone other than Fermanagh we'll be out first round in Ulster.. Terrible manager, Counter underage players that I know, they didn't like his methods and thought his tactics were outdated

Will you give him a chance please! Lets see the back room team first
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on September 10, 2021, 03:34:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 10, 2021, 11:33:30 AM
So Conor Deegans will be announced as the new senior manager soon, what are your thoiughts? Is he keeping it warm for Laverty?

Can someone please tell me what this man has achieved in management to be rewarded with the senior county job? Down football must be in a bad way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on September 10, 2021, 04:30:23 PM
It's a little surprising that Truth Hurts is absolutely convinced Conor Deegan is going to be the new Down manager but does not know how to spell his name.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 10, 2021, 04:51:38 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on September 10, 2021, 04:30:23 PM
It's a little surprising that Truth Hurts is absolutely convinced Conor Deegan is going to be the new Down manager but does not know how to spell his name.

Thanks, Mr Grammar and spelling police officer, to serve and correct!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 12, 2021, 10:20:45 PM
Surely Conor Deegan would be a step back for us as a county???
I look at Logan and Dooher yesterday and I know they had a serious panel to step in to but I feel we are looking in the wrong direction within the county getting Deegan..
Surely a combo of Niall McAleenan, Mulholland and Laverty/Clarke is the way forward??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 13, 2021, 03:08:33 PM
Does anyone know the admission price for this week's games? What happens if an elderly person comes to the gate without a ticket or smartphone. Can tickets be bought at the grounds? Do u16s need tickets?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 13, 2021, 03:35:55 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 13, 2021, 03:08:33 PM
Does anyone know the admission price for this week's games? What happens if an elderly person comes to the gate without a ticket or smartphone. Can tickets be bought at the grounds? Do u16s need tickets?
tickets are £5, cant be bought at the turnstile. all u16s need a ticket as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 14, 2021, 10:48:36 AM
Championship fever starting then, 2 days to go!
Pick of the games must be Mayobridge v Kilcoo. Be interesting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 14, 2021, 11:22:21 AM
Just can't shake the feeling Mayobridge will turn the Magpies over. That's developed in to a big rivalry over the years and Mayobridge have missed a few chances to beat Kilcoo in SFC recently...I've seen the Bridge three times now and they're one of the best teams I've seen.

RGU to beat Carryduff as well for me...Duff just missing a few key players at the wrong time and Downpatrick would be the dark horses of the championship for me...they could go very far with a good draw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 14, 2021, 12:55:41 PM
I'm not so sure Mayobridge will, but I'm hoping they'll give it a good rattle.
Think RGU will overcome Duff but can't see a semi final out of them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 14, 2021, 01:18:20 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 14, 2021, 11:22:21 AM
Just can't shake the feeling Mayobridge will turn the Magpies over. That's developed in to a big rivalry over the years and Mayobridge have missed a few chances to beat Kilcoo in SFC recently...I've seen the Bridge three times now and they're one of the best teams I've seen.

RGU to beat Carryduff as well for me...Duff just missing a few key players at the wrong time and Downpatrick would be the dark horses of the championship for me...they could go very far with a good draw

Kilcoo will rattle out the old guard who have been hiding from the league, this happens every year men, the odds don't lie but Mayobridge never rolls over for any team. Kilcoo will have a different team on Sunday and we will be talking about who can get near them next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 14, 2021, 01:22:07 PM
Is there a back door this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on September 14, 2021, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: befair on September 14, 2021, 01:22:07 PM
Is there a back door this year?

Yes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 14, 2021, 02:16:03 PM
Normally I'd agree with you but I feel like the injuries this year have been more harsh for Kilcoo than other teams...Devlin, Ward and Jerome all either not fit or not firing on all cylinders so far through Injury. But you're right, they are the team to beat no doubt but for once I think they're beatable. Previous years I thought it was an inevitability they'd win Frank (was shocked in 2018) but they've been flawless. This year could be a different story if those lads aren't 100%...Take Jerome out of any team in Down and they're massively impacted...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on September 14, 2021, 03:14:24 PM
Now that we have a good mix of entries for the prediction comp, I thought it would be interesting to have a look at the 'wisdom of the crowd'.

In the SFC, CPN, Burren and Clonduff are all expected to get landslide victories as they have all got 100% of the votes. So far, the closest battle predicted is the RGU-Carryduff encounter. The community has RGU slight favourites in a coinflip, one which the bookmakers have marked Carryduff as clear favourites.

Dromara-Clann na Banna and Saval-Darragh Cross look to be the picks of the IFC.

27 (100.00%)   CPN (1/8)   -   Longstone (9/2)   0 (0.00%)
0 (0.00%)   Saul (13/2)   -   Burren (1/14)   27 (100.00%)
7 (25.93%)   Bredagh (11/4)   -   Castlewellan (1/3)   20 (74.07%)
10 (37.04%)   Mayobridge (4/1)   -   Kilcoo (1/6)   17 (62.96%)
27 (100.00%)   Clonduff (1/2)   -   Rostrevor (15/8)   0 (0.00%)
3 (11.11%)   Loughinisland (7/4)   -   Ballyholland (4/7)   24 (88.89%)
20 (74.07%)   Bryansford (1/3)   -   Glenn (11/4)   7 (25.93%)
14 (51.85%)   RGU (15/8)   -   Carryduff (1/2)   13 (48.15%)
26 (96.30%)   An Riocht   -   Ballymartin   1 (3.70%)
15 (57.69%)   Clann na Banna   -   Dromara   11 (42.31%)
5 (19.23%)   Bosco   -   Atticall   21 (80.77%)
22 (81.48%)   Shamrocks   -   Drumgath   5 (18.52%)
2 (7.41%)   St Johns   -   Liatroim   25 (92.59%)
3 (11.11%)   St Pauls   -   Annaclone   24 (88.89%)
11 (40.74%)   Saval   -   Darragh Cross   16 (59.26%)
25 (92.59%)   Tullylish   -   Bright   2 (7.41%)
4 (14.81%)   Mitchels   -   Glasdrumman   23 (85.19%)
25 (96.15%)   Drumaness   -   St Michaels   1 (3.85%)
26 (96.30%)   East Belfast   -   Aghaderg   1 (3.70%)
24 (88.89%)   Aughlisnafin   -   Teconnaught   3 (11.11%)
7 (26.92%)   Ardglass   -   Dundrum   19 (73.08%)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 14, 2021, 03:27:40 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 14, 2021, 02:16:03 PM
Normally I'd agree with you but I feel like the injuries this year have been more harsh for Kilcoo than other teams...Devlin, Ward and Jerome all either not fit or not firing on all cylinders so far through Injury. But you're right, they are the team to beat no doubt but for once I think they're beatable. Previous years I thought it was an inevitability they'd win Frank (was shocked in 2018) but they've been flawless. This year could be a different story if those lads aren't 100%...Take Jerome out of any team in Down and they're massively impacted...

Men, again we have been saying this for years, the two Johnstons were missing one year and they still won it. They always have a few injuries and come back stronger in the championship. Big Choc, Jerome, Shealan, Ward and Devlin will be playing on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 14, 2021, 04:28:51 PM
County Board charging u16s into championship games is a f**king disgrace
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 14, 2021, 04:57:34 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 14, 2021, 04:28:51 PM
County Board charging u16s into championship games is a f**king disgrace

Would you not perhaps accept that:

1. When capacity restrictions mean that everyone attending must pre-purchase a ticket, the only practical way to do this is with a charge? I mean if Joanne from Ballyholland books 4 free children's tickets for Sunday's match and then decides not to go, then that's 4 of the allocated spaces gone, never to return, and 4 tickets she cannot pass onto an adult. Maybe you believe that all the Joanne's of the world will cancel their tickets and free them up again. I don't think any of them would.

2. Furthermore, as capacity  is limited, and every person has to be accounted for, then for more popular games, that capacity is going to be sorely tested. If there's 1000 tickets available and the first hundred dads in grab free tickets for their children, "just in case they might go", then the game will sell out in no time. Except it isn't sold out. It's instead a giant pain in the hole for everyone involved as real, bonafide club stalwarts will miss out because Frank and Liam from the next parish may or may not  each bring their 4 kids. Frank and Liam might not even go themselves if it rains. Sure it's only a fiver.

3.  £5 for an adult to attend an SFC match is about £5 less than it was 2 years ago, which surely negates somewhat the cost of bringing along children.


Maybe, just maybe there sometimes is a world of grey between "what used to happen" and "a f**king disgrace"?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 14, 2021, 05:11:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 14, 2021, 04:57:34 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 14, 2021, 04:28:51 PM
County Board charging u16s into championship games is a f**king disgrace

Would you not perhaps accept that:

1. When capacity restrictions mean that everyone attending must pre-purchase a ticket, the only practical way to do this is with a charge? I mean if Joanne from Ballyholland books 4 free children's tickets for Sunday's match and then decides not to go, then that's 4 of the allocated spaces gone, never to return, and 4 tickets she cannot pass onto an adult. Maybe you believe that all the Joanne's of the world will cancel their tickets and free them up again. I don't think any of them would.

2. Furthermore, as capacity  is limited, and every person has to be accounted for, then for more popular games, that capacity is going to be sorely tested. If there's 1000 tickets available and the first hundred dads in grab free tickets for their children, "just in case they might go", then the game will sell out in no time. Except it isn't sold out. It's instead a giant pain in the hole for everyone involved as real, bonafide club stalwarts will miss out because Frank and Liam from the next parish may or may not  each bring their 4 kids. Frank and Liam might not even go themselves if it rains. Sure it's only a fiver.

3.  £5 for an adult to attend an SFC match is about £5 less than it was 2 years ago, which surely negates somewhat the cost of bringing along children.


Maybe, just maybe there sometimes is a world of grey between "what used to happen" and "a f**king disgrace"?

TheWobbler the restrictions lifted mean there are hardly any capacity issues now, U16s could be purchased as a free option and then scanned. So that keeps track off numbers too. Also hardly any JFC/IFC games sold out last year and you expect to your arguement to hold up for those games?

And you obviously don't go too many games as championships games were only £10 because they were double headers in which u16s was free for attending. JFC and MFC was a double header in 2019 and was £10 for the double header so this £5 cheaper bullshit you came up with you can put it back up your arse where you pulled it from.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 14, 2021, 05:16:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 14, 2021, 05:11:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 14, 2021, 04:57:34 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 14, 2021, 04:28:51 PM
County Board charging u16s into championship games is a f**king disgrace

Would you not perhaps accept that:

1. When capacity restrictions mean that everyone attending must pre-purchase a ticket, the only practical way to do this is with a charge? I mean if Joanne from Ballyholland books 4 free children's tickets for Sunday's match and then decides not to go, then that's 4 of the allocated spaces gone, never to return, and 4 tickets she cannot pass onto an adult. Maybe you believe that all the Joanne's of the world will cancel their tickets and free them up again. I don't think any of them would.

2. Furthermore, as capacity  is limited, and every person has to be accounted for, then for more popular games, that capacity is going to be sorely tested. If there's 1000 tickets available and the first hundred dads in grab free tickets for their children, "just in case they might go", then the game will sell out in no time. Except it isn't sold out. It's instead a giant pain in the hole for everyone involved as real, bonafide club stalwarts will miss out because Frank and Liam from the next parish may or may not  each bring their 4 kids. Frank and Liam might not even go themselves if it rains. Sure it's only a fiver.

3.  £5 for an adult to attend an SFC match is about £5 less than it was 2 years ago, which surely negates somewhat the cost of bringing along children.


Maybe, just maybe there sometimes is a world of grey between "what used to happen" and "a f**king disgrace"?

TheWobbler the restrictions lifted mean there are hardly any capacity issues now, U16s could be purchased as a free option and then scanned. So that keeps track off numbers too. Also hardly any JFC/IFC games sold out last year and you expect to your arguement to hold up for those games?

And you obviously don't go too many games as championships games were only £10 because they were double headers in which u16s was free for attending. JFC and MFC was a double header in 2019 and was £10 for the double header so this £5 cheaper bullshit you came up with you can put it back up your arse where you pulled it from.
Mourne Red, well done on organising the Prediction Comp. but I think you are a bit OTT in your tone there to my cousin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 14, 2021, 05:22:41 PM
So in summary, according to you, the county board which is currently:

1. Not scheduling double headers.

2. Avoiding taking payments at the gate, in favour of losing a cut on every ticket to Stripe and the App producer.

3. Charging reduced prices.

Are only doing all this because they're batshit crazy bastards who don't understand capacity regulations in the six counties.

Makes perfect sense.

——

Hit me with "that's for double headers" all you like. Prior to Covid you'd have paid more than £5 into any SFC game going back 10 years - whether you wanted to watch 1 game, 1.5 games or 2.

There is actually a per adult cost saving going on. Don't try to pretend otherwise. The maths behind it is primary one stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on September 14, 2021, 06:34:15 PM
Odds for a couple of selected games are interesting;
Clonduff 1/3 draw 15/2 Rostrevor 11/4
Kilcoo 1/6 draw 12/1 Mayobridge 4/1
Carryduff 1/2 draw 7/1 RGU 15/8

Nobody thinks Rostrevor have a chance but plenty fancying Mayobridge who are bigger odds and according to the bookies have less chance of winning. Bookies odds also heavily favour Carryduff against RGU. There's nice wee value double to be had for those fancying Mayobridge and Downpatrick
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 14, 2021, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 14, 2021, 05:22:41 PM
So in summary, according to you, the county board which is currently:

1. Not scheduling double headers.

2. Avoiding taking payments at the gate, in favour of losing a cut on every ticket to Stripe and the App producer.

3. Charging reduced prices.

Are only doing all this because they're batshit crazy bastards who don't understand capacity regulations in the six counties.

Makes perfect sense.

——

Hit me with "that's for double headers" all you like. Prior to Covid you'd have paid more than £5 into any SFC game going back 10 years - whether you wanted to watch 1 game, 1.5 games or 2.

There is actually a per adult cost saving going on. Don't try to pretend otherwise. The maths behind it is primary one stuff.

There is no cost saving going on at all, either you are on the CB or very stupid. The CB have had a disaster and if you can't see the anger on social media from the decision to charge u16s you don't belong in the GAA. You just ignored my point where I proved you wrong about the double header you said it doesn't matter if you wanted to watch 1 game it was still £10.. it was £10 for 2 matches just because you've no interest in the match before doesn't mean it was £10 for 1 match.

Also the buck stupid decision to schedule SHC and SFC match's for Bredagh 24 hours apart is another example of how incompetent they are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 14, 2021, 10:24:52 PM
Down Facebook page deleted their post about pricing because of the backlash in the comments about charging u16s into matches... But TheWobbler will have you believe it's justified, there's an idiot in every village as they say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 14, 2021, 10:28:12 PM
The joys of winning our first league a lost phone back on board now
Great win and great celebrations for a few days but now the focus is firmly on the big one
It's an open one this year but Kilcoo still favourites

As for kids getting charged in
Now I'm no big fan of the county board but what do you want them to do?
Is £5 for a kid into a championship match really that bad?
What's the big outcry all about?

Expect the Down manager to be named soon
1 of Conor Laverty or Conor Deegans to be announced
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on September 14, 2021, 10:58:38 PM
I'd agree with Smurfy and wobbler, I don't understand the mass backlash. Everyone that posted negatively has ignored the fact that this is not a permanent change, it is temporary to allow for a restriction on the number of tickets that can be offered for each game. If the country is fully open this time next year, you can guarantee the under 16s will be allowed in FOC again.

Regarding the pricing, single matches in previous years were £8, double headers £10, so yes there has been a reduction on price on adult tickets.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on September 14, 2021, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 14, 2021, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 14, 2021, 05:22:41 PM
So in summary, according to you, the county board which is currently:

1. Not scheduling double headers.

2. Avoiding taking payments at the gate, in favour of losing a cut on every ticket to Stripe and the App producer.

3. Charging reduced prices.

Are only doing all this because they're batshit crazy bastards who don't understand capacity regulations in the six counties.

Makes perfect sense.

——

Hit me with "that's for double headers" all you like. Prior to Covid you'd have paid more than £5 into any SFC game going back 10 years - whether you wanted to watch 1 game, 1.5 games or 2.

There is actually a per adult cost saving going on. Don't try to pretend otherwise. The maths behind it is primary one stuff.

There is no cost saving going on at all, either you are on the CB or very stupid. The CB have had a disaster and if you can't see the anger on social media from the decision to charge u16s you don't belong in the GAA. You just ignored my point where I proved you wrong about the double header you said it doesn't matter if you wanted to watch 1 game it was still £10.. it was £10 for 2 matches just because you've no interest in the match before doesn't mean it was £10 for 1 match.

Also the buck stupid decision to schedule SHC and SFC match's for Bredagh 24 hours apart is another example of how incompetent they are.

Not the first time that has happened just ask Liatroim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 14, 2021, 11:29:10 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 14, 2021, 10:24:52 PM
Down Facebook page deleted their post about pricing because of the backlash in the comments about charging u16s into matches... But TheWobbler will have you believe it's justified, there's an idiot in every village as they say.

If continually shouting louder and louder helps you convince yourself this a simple black and white issue, then I suppose you gotta do what you gotta do.

I prefer chatting to people with a more open mind. So I'm tuning out.

Enjoy the championship. It will never be cheaper again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 15, 2021, 12:15:54 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 14, 2021, 11:29:10 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 14, 2021, 10:24:52 PM
Down Facebook page deleted their post about pricing because of the backlash in the comments about charging u16s into matches... But TheWobbler will have you believe it's justified, there's an idiot in every village as they say.

If continually shouting louder and louder helps you convince yourself this a simple black and white issue, then I suppose you gotta do what you gotta do.

I prefer chatting to people with a more open mind. So I'm tuning out.

Enjoy the championship. It will never be cheaper again.

When they introduced £2 entry for u16s for "anti-social" behaviour there was backlash on this board now they want to charge £5. Championship was cheaper back in 2019. Good night ✌🏻
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 15, 2021, 08:26:50 AM
What's wrong with charging kids £5?
If you don't want to pay the £5 then don't go
No doubt if the same people were asked to pay £50 for wee Johnny to attend a soccer match in England it wouldn't be an issue.
It's acceptable to jump on the back off the GAA and expect everything for free
Ah the grab all association
What about the children getting all year membership for about 30 a year
I know here in Warrenpoint to attend our local soccer club it's that a month and if we are not happy then away on you go
And by the way I'm happy to pay it
£20 for 2 adults and 2 children to attend a championship match in Down is nothing Have a think about it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 15, 2021, 08:31:10 AM
Quote from: Downtothewire on September 14, 2021, 11:04:09 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 14, 2021, 10:04:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 14, 2021, 05:22:41 PM
So in summary, according to you, the county board which is currently:

1. Not scheduling double headers.

2. Avoiding taking payments at the gate, in favour of losing a cut on every ticket to Stripe and the App producer.

3. Charging reduced prices.

Are only doing all this because they're batshit crazy bastards who don't understand capacity regulations in the six counties.

Makes perfect sense.

——

Hit me with "that's for double headers" all you like. Prior to Covid you'd have paid more than £5 into any SFC game going back 10 years - whether you wanted to watch 1 game, 1.5 games or 2.

There is actually a per adult cost saving going on. Don't try to pretend otherwise. The maths behind it is primary one stuff.

There is no cost saving going on at all, either you are on the CB or very stupid. The CB have had a disaster and if you can't see the anger on social media from the decision to charge u16s you don't belong in the GAA. You just ignored my point where I proved you wrong about the double header you said it doesn't matter if you wanted to watch 1 game it was still £10.. it was £10 for 2 matches just because you've no interest in the match before doesn't mean it was £10 for 1 match.

Also the buck stupid decision to schedule SHC and SFC match's for Bredagh 24 hours apart is another example of how incompetent they are.

Not the first time that has happened just ask Liatroim

Probably forgot they'd a hurling game on the Sunday.....

They've now moved the hurling to the tuesday night onto one of the floodlit pitches in Cherryvale which IIRC is only 130metres long. There'll be lads taking scores from their own 20 metre line....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 15, 2021, 08:47:15 AM
It was a little thoughtless by CCC.

But I do think it's possibly time that hurling folk in our county moved to bring their championships forward, so as not to clash with football.

I know we should in theory protect and honour the dual player. But if a coupon of dozen men (can it be many more than that) wish to pursue two sports equally to a very high level, is it fair to expect the rest of us to build our schedule around their narrow needs?

What are the reasons why hurling championships couldn't start earlier?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 15, 2021, 09:09:32 AM
I have to agree with Wobbler and Smurfy about the tickets prices, the past few years a first-round match would have been at least £8 with prices rising to £15 for the final. The ticketing is most likely due to risk assessments and ensuring the county board knows the exact capacity. The backlash from some people is laughable, complaining about paying a fiver to take their kid into a championship match to see a game of football, yet they don't complain when having to pay nearly a fiver in their local pub for a pint of beer. The county board gets a very hard time and usually by people who would not volunteer in their club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 15, 2021, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 15, 2021, 08:47:15 AM
It was a little thoughtless by CCC.

But I do think it's possibly time that hurling folk in our county moved to bring their championships forward, so as not to clash with football.

I know we should in theory protect and honour the dual player. But if a coupon of dozen men (can it be many more than that) wish to pursue two sports equally to a very high level, is it fair to expect the rest of us to build our schedule around their narrow needs?

What are the reasons why hurling championships couldn't start earlier?

Probably the same reasons the football one wasn't started earlier which I'm only guessing is that with the various changes to the GAA calendars that they don't want to play championship through the summer period when people may be taking time off for holidays..

Only surmising.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 15, 2021, 09:14:53 AM
The bet of the weekend is 7/4 Loughinisland, mark my words, you think Tyrone has been cute hoors!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 15, 2021, 09:16:40 AM
Our club people should know better than go onto Facebook and slam the county board for a £5 fee to atttend a championship match
Normally teams put on a show and to see some great players and skill
All for a £5
Head to the bowling alley with the kids and you will know about the costs
Or a swimming club
Or the local soccer club
You will be paying a lot more than a £5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 15, 2021, 09:21:37 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 15, 2021, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 15, 2021, 08:47:15 AM
It was a little thoughtless by CCC.

But I do think it's possibly time that hurling folk in our county moved to bring their championships forward, so as not to clash with football.

I know we should in theory protect and honour the dual player. But if a coupon of dozen men (can it be many more than that) wish to pursue two sports equally to a very high level, is it fair to expect the rest of us to build our schedule around their narrow needs?

What are the reasons why hurling championships couldn't start earlier?

Probably the same reasons the football one wasn't started earlier which I'm only guessing is that with the various changes to the GAA calendars that they don't want to play championship through the summer period when people may be taking time off for holidays..

Only surmising.

But let's say next year Johnny. Would it be impractical to play the hurling championship a little earlier?

I've mentioned it before on here, and it's the major reason why I prefer u17 grades to u18 grades. In 2017 Liatroim were going well in the MFC, MCC, IHC and IFC simultaneously, with a handful of players involved in all four teams. Expecting CCC to be able to facilitate this was actually unreasonable and to be fair, I heard few complaints from Liatroim at the time (even though I believe they ended up underperforming in each grade). But it was an eye opener into just how difficult it can be to plan championships when they fully overlap.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 15, 2021, 09:26:00 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 15, 2021, 09:16:40 AM
Our club people should know better than go onto Facebook and slam the county board for a £5 fee to atttend a championship match
Normally teams put on a show and to see some great players and skill
All for a £5
Head to the bowling alley with the kids and you will know about the costs
Or a swimming club
Or the local soccer club
You will be paying a lot more than a £5

At 5/1 are you worth a punt?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 15, 2021, 09:28:04 AM
Slaughtneil seemed to manage it alright if I remember...heard a good story about Chrissy McKeague addressing the changing room the week they won their Ulster Championship and saying if any man goes on the beer that Sunday, not to bother coming to Hurling training the Tuesday night in advance of their Hurling final 7 days later. I get that not every club can have their mentality but there was certainly a crossover of at least 7/8 starting players for both Hurling and Football teams in that run up to both championships...Just shows you how much it meant to them...very impressive
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 15, 2021, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 15, 2021, 09:26:00 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 15, 2021, 09:16:40 AM
Our club people should know better than go onto Facebook and slam the county board for a £5 fee to atttend a championship match
Normally teams put on a show and to see some great players and skill
All for a £5
Head to the bowling alley with the kids and you will know about the costs
Or a swimming club
Or the local soccer club
You will be paying a lot more than a £5


Burren are worth a punt at 5/1...a fair price for us would be around 7 or 8/1 IMO...Clonduff at 16s surely the value of the outsiders no?
At 5/1 are you worth a punt?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 15, 2021, 09:37:50 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 15, 2021, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 15, 2021, 09:26:00 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 15, 2021, 09:16:40 AM
Our club people should know better than go onto Facebook and slam the county board for a £5 fee to atttend a championship match
Normally teams put on a show and to see some great players and skill
All for a £5
Head to the bowling alley with the kids and you will know about the costs
Or a swimming club
Or the local soccer club
You will be paying a lot more than a £5

Burren and Burren lite both at 5/1 are good shouts for the champ, I think McCorry will be eyeing up an assault on the title. Clonduff at 16/1 is definitely a massive price and especially as they will easily account for the Super reds. Downpatrick are also a good E/W price as 25/1 but I will put my neck out and name the semi-finalists of Kilcoo, CPN, Burren and Loughinisland. 2 south and 2 East Down.


Burren are worth a punt at 5/1...a fair price for us would be around 7 or 8/1 IMO...Clonduff at 16s surely the value of the outsiders no?
At 5/1 are you worth a punt?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on September 15, 2021, 09:44:56 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 15, 2021, 09:21:37 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 15, 2021, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 15, 2021, 08:47:15 AM
It was a little thoughtless by CCC.

But I do think it's possibly time that hurling folk in our county moved to bring their championships forward, so as not to clash with football.

I know we should in theory protect and honour the dual player. But if a coupon of dozen men (can it be many more than that) wish to pursue two sports equally to a very high level, is it fair to expect the rest of us to build our schedule around their narrow needs?

What are the reasons why hurling championships couldn't start earlier?

Probably the same reasons the football one wasn't started earlier which I'm only guessing is that with the various changes to the GAA calendars that they don't want to play championship through the summer period when people may be taking time off for holidays..

Only surmising.

But let's say next year Johnny. Would it be impractical to play the hurling championship a little earlier?

I've mentioned it before on here, and it's the major reason why I prefer u17 grades to u18 grades. In 2017 Liatroim were going well in the MFC, MCC, IHC and IFC simultaneously, with a handful of players involved in all four teams. Expecting CCC to be able to facilitate this was actually unreasonable and to be fair, I heard few complaints from Liatroim at the time (even though I believe they ended up underperforming in each grade). But it was an eye opener into just how difficult it can be to plan championships when they fully overlap.
The Intermediate and Junior hurling championships, where most of the dual players play, are on after the football championships so they mostly do avoid each other. The 2020 championship was held off so much last year it didn't happen so it was played in July this year. If one of the intermediate teams go up next year there will have to be a different plan to avoid the same issues.

Apart from one player from Ballygalget/RGU they only had to work around Bredagh so it shouldn't of happened.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 15, 2021, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 15, 2021, 09:14:53 AM
The bet of the weekend is 7/4 Loughinisland, mark my words, you think Tyrone has been cute hoors!!

Nothing cute about us TH, keep talking about Clonduff and RGU being dark horses.. Noones talking about us which is what we like
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 15, 2021, 09:52:25 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 15, 2021, 09:47:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 15, 2021, 09:14:53 AM
The bet of the weekend is 7/4 Loughinisland, mark my words, you think Tyrone has been cute hoors!!

Nothing cute about us TH, keep talking about Clonduff and RGU being dark horses.. Noones talking about us which is what we like

You had loads of men at training over the weeks that you apparently have covid cases while putting in a lot of heavy work. You hear a lot while getting an ice-cream ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 15, 2021, 10:02:43 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 15, 2021, 09:44:56 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 15, 2021, 09:21:37 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 15, 2021, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 15, 2021, 08:47:15 AM
It was a little thoughtless by CCC.

But I do think it's possibly time that hurling folk in our county moved to bring their championships forward, so as not to clash with football.

I know we should in theory protect and honour the dual player. But if a coupon of dozen men (can it be many more than that) wish to pursue two sports equally to a very high level, is it fair to expect the rest of us to build our schedule around their narrow needs?

What are the reasons why hurling championships couldn't start earlier?

Probably the same reasons the football one wasn't started earlier which I'm only guessing is that with the various changes to the GAA calendars that they don't want to play championship through the summer period when people may be taking time off for holidays..

Only surmising.

But let's say next year Johnny. Would it be impractical to play the hurling championship a little earlier?

I've mentioned it before on here, and it's the major reason why I prefer u17 grades to u18 grades. In 2017 Liatroim were going well in the MFC, MCC, IHC and IFC simultaneously, with a handful of players involved in all four teams. Expecting CCC to be able to facilitate this was actually unreasonable and to be fair, I heard few complaints from Liatroim at the time (even though I believe they ended up underperforming in each grade). But it was an eye opener into just how difficult it can be to plan championships when they fully overlap.
The Intermediate and Junior hurling championships, where most of the dual players play, are on after the football championships so they mostly do avoid each other. The 2020 championship was held off so much last year it didn't happen so it was played in July this year. If one of the intermediate teams go up next year there will have to be a different plan to avoid the same issues.

Apart from one player from Ballygalget/RGU they only had to work around Bredagh so it shouldn't of happened.

Bredagh evidently would have been happy to play senior football on the friday and then the hurling on the Sunday. Not sure how the CCC ended up with Bredagh playing football on the Saturday which caused the issue with their hurlers but that isn't a big thing to take into account for the CCC.

Pre Covid the hurling championship had a backdoor format similar to the football and was timed to run into the Ulster Club championship semifinal/final normally in October/Nov time and that's only but fair.
Playing it earlier or later would have the winners sitting on their hands for a month or so and that's hardly ideal preparation.

There are indeed more issues with the intermediate and junior hurling championships as they're solely dual clubs by and large.

I see this year the provincial hurling championships are scheduled for Dec 2021 for the semi-final and Jan 2022 for the final. I can only think thats so whoever wins Ulster is then straight into an AI semi-final. There'll be a large gap anyway for the Down champions anyway but hurling is better played on a dry sod whereas for football it's less critical.

AIB Ulster GAA Hurling Senior Club Championship
(Year 2 of 3)

Semi Final (Saturday 11 / Sunday 12 December)

Aontroim V Doire

Final (Saturday 08 / Sunday 09 January)

An Dún V Semi Final Winner

All-Ireland Semi Final (Saturday 22 / Sunday 23 January)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on September 15, 2021, 10:27:49 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 15, 2021, 10:02:43 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 15, 2021, 09:44:56 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 15, 2021, 09:21:37 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 15, 2021, 09:10:58 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 15, 2021, 08:47:15 AM
It was a little thoughtless by CCC.

But I do think it's possibly time that hurling folk in our county moved to bring their championships forward, so as not to clash with football.

I know we should in theory protect and honour the dual player. But if a coupon of dozen men (can it be many more than that) wish to pursue two sports equally to a very high level, is it fair to expect the rest of us to build our schedule around their narrow needs?

What are the reasons why hurling championships couldn't start earlier?

Probably the same reasons the football one wasn't started earlier which I'm only guessing is that with the various changes to the GAA calendars that they don't want to play championship through the summer period when people may be taking time off for holidays..

Only surmising.

But let's say next year Johnny. Would it be impractical to play the hurling championship a little earlier?

I've mentioned it before on here, and it's the major reason why I prefer u17 grades to u18 grades. In 2017 Liatroim were going well in the MFC, MCC, IHC and IFC simultaneously, with a handful of players involved in all four teams. Expecting CCC to be able to facilitate this was actually unreasonable and to be fair, I heard few complaints from Liatroim at the time (even though I believe they ended up underperforming in each grade). But it was an eye opener into just how difficult it can be to plan championships when they fully overlap.
The Intermediate and Junior hurling championships, where most of the dual players play, are on after the football championships so they mostly do avoid each other. The 2020 championship was held off so much last year it didn't happen so it was played in July this year. If one of the intermediate teams go up next year there will have to be a different plan to avoid the same issues.

Apart from one player from Ballygalget/RGU they only had to work around Bredagh so it shouldn't of happened.

Bredagh evidently would have been happy to play senior football on the friday and then the hurling on the Sunday. Not sure how the CCC ended up with Bredagh playing football on the Saturday which caused the issue with their hurlers but that isn't a big thing to take into account for the CCC.

Pre Covid the hurling championship had a backdoor format similar to the football and was timed to run into the Ulster Club championship semifinal/final normally in October/Nov time and that's only but fair.
Playing it earlier or later would have the winners sitting on their hands for a month or so and that's hardly ideal preparation.

There are indeed more issues with the intermediate and junior hurling championships as they're solely dual clubs by and large.

I see this year the provincial hurling championships are scheduled for Dec 2021 for the semi-final and Jan 2022 for the final. I can only think thats so whoever wins Ulster is then straight into an AI semi-final. There'll be a large gap anyway for the Down champions anyway but hurling is better played on a dry sod whereas for football it's less critical.

AIB Ulster GAA Hurling Senior Club Championship
(Year 2 of 3)

Semi Final (Saturday 11 / Sunday 12 December)

Aontroim V Doire

Final (Saturday 08 / Sunday 09 January)

An Dún V Semi Final Winner

All-Ireland Semi Final (Saturday 22 / Sunday 23 January)

Would they have been better to hold off until after the football this year do you think and run with the IHC & JHC or would the lack of refs stop that too?

Do Derry and Antrim do football & hurling championships week about?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 15, 2021, 11:55:53 AM
Does anyone actually have any insight in to when we will see the new Down Management team announced? Is it imminent or still to be interviewed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 15, 2021, 12:32:39 PM
Deegan and O'Rourke to be announced soon with A N Other ex Queens university GAA great.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 15, 2021, 12:40:50 PM
I have heard all the names that everyone has heard
Deegan
Laverty
O Rourke
Oaks
Hackett


Do I think any of the above are Downs first choice picks no not in the slightest
Do I think they are struggling and above are the options now? Maybe
Do I think we have all been fooled and Down will name a big name manager soon? Yes

If it was any of the above what reason is there not to announce him before the championship starts tomorrow night? None

If they are still working on someone then that's the hold up. That is the only reason why a delay in naming a man is happening

Struggling to get who they want and are still in discussions

I don't believe any of the above are first choice picks but it could happen

No other reason why it should take over 9 weeks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 15, 2021, 03:21:33 PM
There are no Down matches scheduled on Pairc TV?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on September 15, 2021, 04:34:59 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 15, 2021, 12:40:50 PM
I have heard all the names that everyone has heard
Deegan
Laverty
O Rourke
Oaks
Hackett


Do I think any of the above are Downs first choice picks no not in the slightest
Do I think they are struggling and above are the options now? Maybe
Do I think we have all been fooled and Down will name a big name manager soon? Yes

If it was any of the above what reason is there not to announce him before the championship starts tomorrow night? None

If they are still working on someone then that's the hold up. That is the only reason why a delay in naming a man is happening

Struggling to get who they want and are still in discussions

I don't believe any of the above are first choice picks but it could happen

No other reason why it should take over 9 weeks

Who are Oaks and Hackett?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 15, 2021, 05:01:43 PM
Quote from: Godsown on September 15, 2021, 04:34:59 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 15, 2021, 12:40:50 PM
I have heard all the names that everyone has heard
Deegan
Laverty
O Rourke
Oaks
Hackett


Do I think any of the above are Downs first choice picks no not in the slightest
Do I think they are struggling and above are the options now? Maybe
Do I think we have all been fooled and Down will name a big name manager soon? Yes

If it was any of the above what reason is there not to announce him before the championship starts tomorrow night? None

If they are still working on someone then that's the hold up. That is the only reason why a delay in naming a man is happening

Struggling to get who they want and are still in discussions

I don't believe any of the above are first choice picks but it could happen

No other reason why it should take over 9 weeks

Who are Oaks and Hackett?

Karl Oaks from Downpatrick and jack Hackett from Craggy Island;

(https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th/id/OIP.bNRyDf1qeIbbOQVARxRRUwHaDh?w=349&h=166&c=7&r=0&o=5&pid=1.7)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 15, 2021, 07:01:18 PM
From Dublin I'm lead to believe
Manages Kilmacud Crokes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 15, 2021, 09:18:21 PM
Quote from: Godsown on September 15, 2021, 04:34:59 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 15, 2021, 12:40:50 PM
I have heard all the names that everyone has heard
Deegan
Laverty
O Rourke
Oaks
Hackett


Do I think any of the above are Downs first choice picks no not in the slightest
Do I think they are struggling and above are the options now? Maybe
Do I think we have all been fooled and Down will name a big name manager soon? Yes

If it was any of the above what reason is there not to announce him before the championship starts tomorrow night? None

If they are still working on someone then that's the hold up. That is the only reason why a delay in naming a man is happening

Struggling to get who they want and are still in discussions

I don't believe any of the above are first choice picks but it could happen

No other reason why it should take over 9 weeks

Who are Oaks and Hackett?
KO, Another Queens alumini
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 16, 2021, 12:04:25 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 15, 2021, 03:21:33 PM
There are no Down matches scheduled on Pairc TV?

Check downgaa.tv
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 16, 2021, 08:59:41 AM
Quote from: supersub on September 16, 2021, 12:04:25 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 15, 2021, 03:21:33 PM
There are no Down matches scheduled on Pairc TV?

Check downgaa.tv

Thanks supersub, fair play to the county board for streaming these games.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 16, 2021, 02:25:26 PM
In regard to streaming of the SFC;

All matches can be bought individually for £5 or a bundle offer for all six games is available at a price of £18. There is also a Super Sunday bundle for the three games at a price of £10

Hopefully the quality of the service is good. its great value for anyone who wants to watch from home.

https://downgaa.tv/events/?activity_type_checked_ids=&locations_checked_ids=&sport_teams_checked_ids=&competitions_teams_checked_ids=&start_date=&end_date=&search_for_an_event=
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 16, 2021, 02:34:25 PM
Is there a back door this year, I didn't think so but seen a comment a few days ago that there is
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Silver hill on September 16, 2021, 02:36:04 PM
Quote from: general on September 16, 2021, 02:25:26 PM
In regard to streaming of the SFC;

All matches can be bought individually for £5 or a bundle offer for all six games is available at a price of £18. There is also a Super Sunday bundle for the three games at a price of £10

Hopefully the quality of the service is good. its great value for anyone who wants to watch from home.

https://downgaa.tv/events/?activity_type_checked_ids=&locations_checked_ids=&sport_teams_checked_ids=&competitions_teams_checked_ids=&start_date=&end_date=&search_for_an_event=


Maybe it was just myself and my internet but I paid for a few games last year from the Down championship last year with Pairc and the quality was decidedly dodgy with constant freezes.
Was that a problem for anyone else or just my bad luck?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 16, 2021, 02:50:19 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 16, 2021, 02:34:25 PM
Is there a back door this year, I didn't think so but seen a comment a few days ago that there is

Yes

I am aware for senior there 100% is
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 16, 2021, 02:51:49 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on September 16, 2021, 02:36:04 PM
Quote from: general on September 16, 2021, 02:25:26 PM
In regard to streaming of the SFC;

All matches can be bought individually for £5 or a bundle offer for all six games is available at a price of £18. There is also a Super Sunday bundle for the three games at a price of £10

Hopefully the quality of the service is good. its great value for anyone who wants to watch from home.

https://downgaa.tv/events/?activity_type_checked_ids=&locations_checked_ids=&sport_teams_checked_ids=&competitions_teams_checked_ids=&start_date=&end_date=&search_for_an_event=


Maybe it was just myself and my internet but I paid for a few games last year from the Down championship last year with Pairc and the quality was decidedly dodgy with constant freezes.
Was that a problem for anyone else or just my bad luck?

My own was grand for the games i didnt get to live. playback feature was good also.

sayign that i run off superfast fibre - i imagine it takes a fair bit of bandwidth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on September 16, 2021, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 16, 2021, 02:34:25 PM
Is there a back door this year, I didn't think so but seen a comment a few days ago that there is

The dates provided by the CCC includes a 'Round 3' for SFC and IFC, which wouldn't be possible without a qualifier/backdoor.
I can't confirm if there is a backdoor for JFC as haven't seen those ones but going by recent years I think there isn't? I'm open to correction on that one if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 16, 2021, 03:38:32 PM
Longstone will give the point their fill of it this eve...W'Point riddled with Injuries and Covid too maybe but think there is a serious amount of lads missing tonight...I expect this game to go 1/2pts either way but if I was a betting man I'd say the stone might get a big scalp this eve...hope I'm wrong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 16, 2021, 03:52:34 PM
Not a pups chance of Stone beating Point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on September 16, 2021, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 16, 2021, 03:38:32 PM
Longstone will give the point their fill of it this eve...W'Point riddled with Injuries and Covid too maybe but think there is a serious amount of lads missing tonight...I expect this game to go 1/2pts either way but if I was a betting man I'd say the stone might get a big scalp this eve...hope I'm wrong

This feels a bit like trying to downplay the massive favourites tag. Its a double digits Point win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 16, 2021, 04:12:44 PM
It would take an extraordinary effort for Longstone players and management to give a tuppeny damn after the last minute of their league campaign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Betsy Gray on September 16, 2021, 04:14:52 PM
Hopefully we see a weekend of decent championship action.

Tyrone's victory on Saturday really hit home just how far we have fallen in terms of the Ulster and all Ireland football stage. Since we last won an Ulster in 1994 Tyrone Tyrone have produced a team to win 3 all irelands then produced another team that has gone on to win an all Ireland. And it all seems further away than ever.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 16, 2021, 05:04:10 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 16, 2021, 03:38:32 PM
Longstone will give the point their fill of it this eve...W'Point riddled with Injuries and Covid too maybe but think there is a serious amount of lads missing tonight...I expect this game to go 1/2pts either way but if I was a betting man I'd say the stone might get a big scalp this eve...hope I'm wrong

CPN will win by 8+ points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 16, 2021, 05:55:15 PM
CPN double digits and that's no disrespect to Longstone as they are a great club but the golf between 1 and 2 is a lot
Ryan McAleenan also back in the frame for us
Good luck to all competing teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 16, 2021, 06:12:01 PM
Do we need e-tickets for tonight's game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on September 16, 2021, 06:15:21 PM
Quote from: befair on September 16, 2021, 06:12:01 PM
Do we need e-tickets for tonight's game?

Yes, ticket only. Still available on the app
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 16, 2021, 07:42:41 PM
Anyone else's stream keep freezing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 16, 2021, 07:51:31 PM
Pairc TV is hopeless
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 16, 2021, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on September 16, 2021, 02:36:04 PM
Quote from: general on September 16, 2021, 02:25:26 PM
In regard to streaming of the SFC;

All matches can be bought individually for £5 or a bundle offer for all six games is available at a price of £18. There is also a Super Sunday bundle for the three games at a price of £10

Hopefully the quality of the service is good. its great value for anyone who wants to watch from home.

https://downgaa.tv/events/?activity_type_checked_ids=&locations_checked_ids=&sport_teams_checked_ids=&competitions_teams_checked_ids=&start_date=&end_date=&search_for_an_event=


Maybe it was just myself and my internet but I paid for a few games last year from the Down championship last year with Pairc and the quality was decidedly dodgy with constant freezes.
Was that a problem for anyone else or just my bad luck?

Last year it was excellent. The year before there were some issues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on September 16, 2021, 08:59:47 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 16, 2021, 05:55:15 PM
CPN double digits and that's no disrespect to Longstone as they are a great club but the golf between 1 and 2 is a lot
Ryan McAleenan also back in the frame for us
Good luck to all competing teams

;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 16, 2021, 09:05:36 PM
Jesus, CPN still on the drink from winning the league were they?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 16, 2021, 09:17:43 PM
Your a twat Smurfy. You really are. Maybe just button it from here on in. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 16, 2021, 09:21:08 PM
Brutal coverage from Pairc TV, commentator was blaming the weather!! Anyway fair play to Longstone, never scored in the second half but still beat the league winners!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 16, 2021, 09:25:56 PM
Some amount of disrespect to the stone on here earlier after reading some of their posts...total fools if they believed the stone wouldn't make a game of that tonight. There are a few teams you never get anything handy from them the stone being one. Fair play Longstone well deserved and not one bit surprised.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 16, 2021, 09:31:26 PM
Be right back folks, away to stick on the kettle 😁😁
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 16, 2021, 09:36:27 PM
Quote from: Targetman on September 16, 2021, 09:21:08 PM
Brutal coverage from Pairc TV, commentator was blaming the weather!! Anyway fair play to Longstone, never scored in the second half but still beat the league winners!!

It was shocking. Doesn't instill much hope for the rest of the matches. Super Sunday lined up ffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on September 16, 2021, 09:52:17 PM
Quote from: thebar on September 16, 2021, 09:25:56 PM
Some amount of disrespect to the stone on here earlier after reading some of their posts...total fools if they believed the stone wouldn't make a game of that tonight. There are a few teams you never get anything handy from them the stone being one. Fair play Longstone well deserved and not one bit surprised.

I'll hold my hands up, got that one badly wrong.
I did get a run down to the game, and even for a neutral, the low scoring game was very entertaining. Walking out at the end I heard a few CPN supporters saying they kicked an awful lot of wides, but I have to give top marks to the Stone defence. They were forcing the shots from the wings. Every time a CPN player crossed the 50 they were met with a wall of red jerseys. CPN seemed to run out of ideas at the end.

I also have to say Ballymartin have to get credit for hosting the game, thought they done a great job considering they rarely get SFC games. The pitch and the lights were fantastic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 16, 2021, 09:56:20 PM
Good game, the Stone were full value for the win; much better drilled and disciplined. They had slight wind advantage in the first half, but wind became much stronger in the second half and the Point couldn't make use of it.

On a side note, hats off the Ballymartin; their facilities really are superb and a credit to the club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 16, 2021, 09:59:24 PM
Well that was a shambles... inept, no ideas, out fought, out thought and that's just the management.. missing players - yes - but getting v beat by a division 2 team (2022) is a farce and serious questions need asked of management.. to make matters worse - having a Longstone man on the management - surely he knew what matchups to make etc.. ffs football is frustrating..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on September 16, 2021, 10:26:24 PM
We have been beaten twice this year (so far). Once  by Ballyholland (Shane Mulholland's club) and once by The Stone ( Polie's club). I think both clubs had extra incentive and a f**k you attitude
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 16, 2021, 10:50:50 PM
You need to settle yourself
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on September 16, 2021, 10:54:33 PM
Burren, Kilcoo and The Bridge can't beat us but ballyholland and Stone can. I am just pointing out the common denominator(s) !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 16, 2021, 10:55:47 PM
Yes you're right. The points new management team have been conspiring against them all along.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 16, 2021, 10:59:20 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on September 16, 2021, 10:26:24 PM
We have been beaten twice this year (so far). Once  by Ballyholland (Shane Mulholland's club) and once by The Stone ( Polie's club). I think both clubs had extra incentive and a f**k you attitude
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The point were just very poor tonight don't think anyone will be concerned about playing either team in the next rounds
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 16, 2021, 11:16:51 PM
As poor as we have played all year but that's down to being completely out thought along the line before a balll was thrown in.
We looked clueless throughout and could have been more behind if the Stone had of scored those goal chances after half time
I think we took them for granted and it backfired
We must regroup and go again
Fair play to longstone full value and they got all the big calls right along the line
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 17, 2021, 08:31:45 AM
Coverage was a bit patchy last night alright, but still great to see the game. Point looked out of ideas against a tough Longstone side, some of their defending was superb. You won't see many games when the winning team doesn't score in the 2nd half at all. Not sure where next for the Point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on September 17, 2021, 08:42:33 AM
We were very poor last nite, no leadership on and off the pitch, Longstone deserved to win . Next day out is massive 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 17, 2021, 09:09:31 AM
I called this yesterday but was really hoping I would be wrong. It's blatantly obvious that the strength and depth isn't there for us. Lots of fringe lads getting their chances last night and didn't step up. The only positive from last night is this will hopefully force the management's hand to play the best 15 no matter what. Two McCartans, two McAleenans, John Boyle all need to be playing for us to have any chance of a championship run but I've said it earlier in the year, the SFC will be between Burren, Kilcoo and Clonduff. We were lucky to get a Div1 league title this year and I firmly believe we will be lucky to get to the quarter finals this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 17, 2021, 09:30:51 AM
An enjoyable game in Ballymartin last night not because of football but because of the passion shown by the Stone. It looked as it was only a matter of turning up for the Point and I was surprised by the team's selection. The Stone over the years has thrived on being against the odds and Benny had them well organized last night. I still think there is a kick in the point team though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 17, 2021, 09:56:05 AM
Well done to the Stone btw, didn't mention that in my last response. Credit where it's due, they were all bought in on the night and we can't begrudge them a very good win. Good luck to them on their championship journey. Hopefully our lads can regroup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 17, 2021, 10:40:53 AM
Also, I came home and tried the Pairc tv coverage which was poor last night. But the connection in Ballymartin would not be the best so I would imagine Newry will be a lot better. What amazes me is the outrage on social media towards the official down gaa Twitter account. These people are volunteers and clowns think it is ok to tag them and give them abuse looking a few likes from their mates. £18 for 6 games is excellent value for the weekend. Also, the commentators are also volunteers and are new to it and are doing a good job. There is no need for abuse to any commentator.  Please do not encourage the tools on twitter who think they are funny.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 17, 2021, 11:56:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 17, 2021, 10:40:53 AM
Also, I came home and tried the Pairc tv coverage which was poor last night. But the connection in Ballymartin would not be the best so I would imagine Newry will be a lot better. What amazes me is the outrage on social media towards the official down gaa Twitter account. These people are volunteers and clowns think it is ok to tag them and give them abuse looking a few likes from their mates. £18 for 6 games is excellent value for the weekend. Also, the commentators are also volunteers and are new to it and are doing a good job. There is no need for abuse to any commentator.  Please do not encourage the tools on twitter who think they are funny.
. 
It's hardly excellent value if the service is dung. If your gonna charge for something deliver it ffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 17, 2021, 12:15:44 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 17, 2021, 10:40:53 AM
Also, I came home and tried the Pairc tv coverage which was poor last night. But the connection in Ballymartin would not be the best so I would imagine Newry will be a lot better. What amazes me is the outrage on social media towards the official down gaa Twitter account. These people are volunteers and clowns think it is ok to tag them and give them abuse looking a few likes from their mates. £18 for 6 games is excellent value for the weekend. Also, the commentators are also volunteers and are new to it and are doing a good job. There is no need for abuse to any commentator.  Please do not encourage the tools on twitter who think they are funny.
I haven't seen any abuse sent to them. Just a few comments about dial up Internet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on September 17, 2021, 12:30:40 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 17, 2021, 10:40:53 AM
Also, I came home and tried the Pairc tv coverage which was poor last night. But the connection in Ballymartin would not be the best so I would imagine Newry will be a lot better. What amazes me is the outrage on social media towards the official down gaa Twitter account. These people are volunteers and clowns think it is ok to tag them and give them abuse looking a few likes from their mates. £18 for 6 games is excellent value for the weekend. Also, the commentators are also volunteers and are new to it and are doing a good job. There is no need for abuse to any commentator.  Please do not encourage the tools on twitter who think they are funny.

Don't take it personally young Pete!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 17, 2021, 12:55:08 PM
Where do they even get these boys from.
If the service is gonna be crap then better not deliver it at all or else do it for free.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 17, 2021, 01:52:03 PM
Championship Clean sweep for east down this year ( for a change), Warrenpoint typically bullish before longstone  game but failed to deliver again, ah well winning a reduced fixture league will have to suffice for the next 50 odd years- the joys the joys !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 17, 2021, 02:01:22 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 17, 2021, 01:52:03 PM
Championship Clean sweep for east down this year ( for a change), Warrenpoint typically bullish before longstone  game but failed to deliver again, ah well winning a reduced fixture league will have to suffice for the next 50 odd years- the joys the joys !!

Might be a clean sweep at senior level but South Down will win all in underage again.
Was chatting to a few people about the game today and they were all saying the same thing, the Point cannot handle pressure. I argued my case for them but maybe there is a mental block with some of their players. Darragh Cross needs to get a championship this year, it will be a great boost to GAA in Saintfield area which in time will become a good gaa area, mark my words!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 17, 2021, 02:30:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 17, 2021, 02:01:22 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 17, 2021, 01:52:03 PM
Championship Clean sweep for east down this year ( for a change), Warrenpoint typically bullish before longstone  game but failed to deliver again, ah well winning a reduced fixture league will have to suffice for the next 50 odd years- the joys the joys !!

Might be a clean sweep at senior level but South Down will win all in underage again.
Was chatting to a few people about the game today and they were all saying the same thing, the Point cannot handle pressure. I argued my case for them but maybe there is a mental block with some of their players. Darragh Cross needs to get a championship this year, it will be a great boost to GAA in Saintfield area which in time will become a good gaa area, mark my words!
Are drugs you take illegal or prescribed? Either way they are affecting you badly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 17, 2021, 02:37:28 PM
Don't know about a mental block tbf...make no mistake, the teams last night were evenly enough matched on paper. If you took 7 certain starters out of the team in Burren, Kilcoo, Mayobridge or Clonduff in a championship game then I think Longstone would put it up to any of them on any given night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 17, 2021, 02:53:43 PM
Did they not fire a load of them on, do you think CPN took the Stone for granted not starting the 5 starters.

Good luck to Saul tonight, a massive occasion for a club that is always willing to help out East Down clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 17, 2021, 05:58:20 PM
100% we did not take the stone for granted. I genuinely think that was the best team available to us last night. 4/5 long term injuries and D McAleenan missing with Covid or illness or something. That's why I've been saying this week I felt we were there for the taking...every club has their injury problems so no excuse. Let's hope there's an entertaining game this eve in Liatroim but I think this will be the result everyone expected last night...if burren are full out they'll win by 10-15pts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 17, 2021, 09:59:36 PM
Went to the Burren and Saul match
Jesus talk about a miss match
Burren should have won by 30 think it was 20 in the end
I'll go for
Castlewellan
Downpatrick
Clonduff
Bryansford
Kilcoo
Ballyholland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 17, 2021, 10:04:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 17, 2021, 02:53:43 PM
Good luck to Saul tonight, a massive occasion for a club that is always willing to help out East Down clubs

Eh, how's that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 17, 2021, 10:10:40 PM
This whole East Down vs South Down bullshit bores the life out of me.. There's 1 Football County team we aren't split in two
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 18, 2021, 10:26:18 PM
3 division two clubs through in the winners section.. This would be some season if it was an actual championship instead of a back door gate receipts one...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 18, 2021, 11:29:11 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 18, 2021, 10:26:18 PM
3 division two clubs through in the winners section.. This would be some season if it was an actual championship instead of a back door gate receipts one...

But it's not. It's the same as every other season the last few years. There's always subconsciously the fact of the back door in any team's mind. Just because a team took a scalp this week doesn't mean if it had been straight knockout the same would have happened. It's all ifs and buts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 18, 2021, 11:51:38 PM
Is there relegation from championship this year? Or is it scrapped from Championship and League this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 19, 2021, 10:05:14 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 18, 2021, 11:51:38 PM
Is there relegation from championship this year? Or is it scrapped from Championship and League this year?
I would imagine there would have to be as the intermediate and junior champions will have to move up a championship. Isn't it usually between the teams that lose both their games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 19, 2021, 01:40:45 PM
If it was knockout I don't think we would have taken Longstone for granted
Pasted them every other time we play them and I'm only thinking the players thought it to be the same
The losers group is is lookin tough and will even more after tonight
Everyone will be wanting Castlewellan or Saul
Our lads back training this morning to put right Thursdays result
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 19, 2021, 03:02:19 PM
Lovely shot of the Kilcoo lads watering the pitch in their pre-match huddle. Absolutely grim stuff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 19, 2021, 06:18:53 PM
Kilcoo good for their win, obviously there for the taking but Mayobridge stepped back and stopped going at them. Even when they were four down with 5 minutes left, they were still conditioned to sit back and not go for it. Why change a plan that was working in the first half and really troubled Kilcoo.

Just wondering why the so called 'Down's oldest club' have changed their traditional sky blue colours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 19, 2021, 09:58:58 PM
Quote from: Lotto on September 19, 2021, 06:18:53 PM
Kilcoo good for their win, obviously there for the taking but Mayobridge stepped back and stopped going at them. Even when they were four down with 5 minutes left, they were still conditioned to sit back and not go for it. Why change a plan that was working in the first half and really troubled Kilcoo.

Just wondering why the so called 'Down's oldest club' have changed their traditional sky blue colours.

I have often wondered why they changed colour myself.. is it an O'Neill's thing or committee thing??

Kilcoo just do what they do - get the job done. Half back line looked lively going forward and up front Laverty talking everyone through the game - still hate the way he dives though - after 18 odd years playing senior footy - fuckin wise up.. Not so sure the bridge "plan" was so good - but kilcoo worked it out and negated their key men. Quinn hit 5 points in first half - starve supply into him - problem sorted.. Annett was very poor today IMO - was looking forward to him getting at kilcoo with his free flowing game but saw nothing.. Thought the ref was lenient on a few occasions when they shud have been black card decisions - took the easy way out with yellow.
Clonduff were very good tonight - pace, power, height, decision making - all in their favour..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 19, 2021, 11:17:21 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 19, 2021, 10:05:14 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 18, 2021, 11:51:38 PM
Is there relegation from championship this year? Or is it scrapped from Championship and League this year?
I would imagine there would have to be as the intermediate and junior champions will have to move up a championship. Isn't it usually between the teams that lose both their games?

Was that not just a one off last year as there were no leagues?
It'll go on league positions from this season I'd imagine
EG 2022 SFC will be 10 Division 1 teams, top 5 from Division 2 and IFC winner
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 20, 2021, 08:31:57 AM
Big draw tonight some interesting knockout ties could take place in the losers pot

Winners pot
Kilcoo
Burren
Clonduff
Ballyholland
Bredagh
Downpatrick
Longstone
Bford/Glenn

Losers
CPN
Mayobridge
Rostrevor
Castlewellan
Saul
Loughinisland
Carryduff
Glenn/Bford


It is going to be interesting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 20, 2021, 11:32:43 AM
Great weekend of Fixtures...lots of interesting results and a few eye catching displays.

Very very early days but from what I watched I'd sum it up like this:

Kilcoo are still the clear favourites for the SFC, not talking about footballing ability but their mentality and guile to find a way to win matches is second to none. They never got rattled yesterday and even though the Bridge played the better football at times in the first half, the Magpies just kept plugging away and stuck to their task. They trust the process.

Warrenpoint sadly won't feature for much longer, they're badly short some key players and will not see the quarter finals this year IMO, mad the difference a couple of weeks can make.

Burren and Clonduff will both fancy their chances this year and Burren in particular will be quietly confident. I think Burren will raise their game and beat Kilcoo if they meet each other. Clonduff I think will be a nearly team this year but they can win it over the next 3/4 years if they stick together.

Castlewellan are a badly fading force in Down football and they will have a long year ahead of them in D1 in 2022 after the display I witnessed against Bredagh. Carryduff are also struggling massively with a few injuries to key men forcing them through the back door and they might not see another final of senior championship for a long time IMO.

I fancied RGU to be the real outsiders for a Championship run and I'll stick by that...it will take a seriously good team to stop them , their only worry is that a few injuries to starting 15 will kill them as their strength and depth is none existent outside of their starters.

In the relegation fight for Intermediate championship I'm going to say the obvious choice is Saul. They're miles off the senior championship standard but IFC next year could do them no harm and this year should be celebrated by their players and supporters as a great experience to play against the biggest club in Down this year in SFC and give their lads a big day out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 20, 2021, 08:55:01 PM
Round 2 winners group
Clonduff v kilcoo
Glen v burren
Rgu Downpatrick v longstone
Bredagh v ballyholland

Losers draw
Carryduff v saul
Loughinisland v mayobridge
CPN v byransford
Castlewellan v rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 20, 2021, 09:47:05 PM
Some big draws
The stand out one being Clonduff and Kilcoo
It will get centre stage in Newry on Friday night or Sunday
What has happened to Bryansford senior footballers? That was terrible stuff tonight
A once dominant force in Down they have got nothing now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 20, 2021, 09:56:03 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 20, 2021, 09:47:05 PM
Some big draws
The stand out one being Clonduff and Kilcoo
It will get centre stage in Newry on Friday night or Sunday
What has happened to Bryansford senior footballers? That was terrible stuff tonight
A once dominant force in Down they have got nothing now

No credit to Glenn, no???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 20, 2021, 09:58:07 PM
Apologies Hedge
Glenn were full value for the win
A great performance and they never looked like loosing that match
A lack of fight and desire from the Ford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 20, 2021, 10:10:33 PM
Well done Glenn on a deserved win tonight. Bryansford in a poor place with not much leadership on or off the field it would seem in terms of their senior team...maybe Poacher wasn't so slow and got out early doors?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on September 20, 2021, 10:35:39 PM
Very impressive display from Glenn tonight. Some great individual performances all over the park but they are a very cohesive unit and will be very dangerous. How'd they not get out of Div 2 ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 20, 2021, 10:39:04 PM
Quote from: Godsown on September 20, 2021, 10:35:39 PM
Very impressive display from Glenn tonight. Some great individual performances all over the park but they are a very cohesive unit and will be very dangerous. How'd they not get out of Div 2 ?
They didn't win enough matches I'd say.Dromara for us🤷🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on September 20, 2021, 10:55:23 PM
Smart arse
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 20, 2021, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: Godsown on September 20, 2021, 10:35:39 PM
Very impressive display from Glenn tonight. Some great individual performances all over the park but they are a very cohesive unit and will be very dangerous. How'd they not get out of Div 2 ?
In fairness i seen Glen play the Stone earlier in the year and they were poor enough but missing a few key players at the time...Millar wasnt about for sure. Seems like they have got a few boys back...all helps.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on September 20, 2021, 11:10:12 PM
Very proud of that Glenn win tonight.
I thought Bransford were handy enough tonight, but Glenn were more in control of the game.
That Glenn team can,  and I hope they do, give Burren a rattle. Nothing to lose.
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Post by: terrifictommy on September 21, 2021, 11:58:39 AM
I don't think the comment was dismissive of Glenn, more a question of what has happened with Bryansford. Poor league campaign and struggling in Championship. As for the Poacher comment - did he not abandon ship at the last minute throwing the whole thing in the air?
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Post by: ApresMatch on September 21, 2021, 09:03:47 PM
Glenn, the Stone and Bredagh all well ahead of Castlewellan on their day in Div 2. Prob few others too. But the Town are up. Missed opportunities for few teams this year.
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Post by: Johnnysboys on September 22, 2021, 10:41:43 PM
Nasty rumours going around about Kilcoo player today.. Is the cloak starting to slip??
Draws this week are very predictable apart from the Kilcoo v Clonduff game. Is it time to scrap the back door system??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 23, 2021, 08:59:20 AM
Some big fixtures this weekend
The losers groups will be exciting
Predictions
Kilcoo 5
Burren 7
Downpatrick 5
Ballyholland 4

Mayobridge 4
Castlewellan 1
CPN 7
Carryduff 8


Last chance for some big teams in the losers
It would be catastrophic if we went out but just can't see it. We are hurting as a club after last weeks defeat. Our players are made of the right stuff and the success of recent years will stand by us.
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Post by: Truth hurts on September 23, 2021, 09:35:52 AM
I am going to repost a gaelic life article from Joe Brolly last year, granted he is a hypocrite but we all need to be careful when spreading news. There should be nothing more mentioned on this matter.




THE Reverend Travis Clarke, Catholic parish priest of the Pearl Saint Peter & Saint Paul dicoese in Louisiana, was arrested last week on obsenity charges.

Bored by lockdown, his empty schedule allowing his head to be filled with unclean temptation, the poor man finally succumbed and as you do, organised an orgy on the church altar with his two communion servers. I have to say I've never been a fan of orgies. One never knows who to thank at the end of the night.

On Wednesday past, three days after his arrest, the Archbishop of New Orleans travelled to the church with his resident exorcist (I kid you not) and they performed a lengthy ritual (behind closed doors) that was said to have "purified God's altar and restored the sanctity of his holy church."

Rev Clarke, who has been summarily suspended, must be sorely regretting videoing the whole thing on his cell-phone, which according to the local police chief he had "set up on a tripod to get the best possible angles, which will be a great help to the prosecution team." As a friend of mine from Dungiven commented, "Let he who has not organised an orgy on the church altar with his communion servers throw the first stone."

People can't sit down to a dinner of chicken and mash these days without taking a picture of it and posting it online with some important message like 'Yummy' or 'So hungry cannot wait to eat this.'

Society has been infected by what I call social media tourettes syndrome (SMTS). The automatic response to any event is to film and publicise it. SMT does not permit the sufferer to decide between what is acceptable, enjoyable, stupid, disloyal, dangerous, a gross breach of privacy or even a criminal act.

Most distressing is the glee with which many people in the GAA community are now happy to spread vile gossip, photographs and videos about other GAA members.

This year, a well-known retired footballer was subjected to a disgraceful attack on social media into his private and family life, which went viral. It was the sort of poisonous campaign that dark US political forces might mount against a candidate for office. Yet GAA people were spreading this stuff, instead of protecting one of our own.

The problem is that people, because of SMT, do not think of the consequences. The trauma to a family. The whispering campaign in a community. The terrible sense of humiliation. It's pathetic, unworthy and has to stop.

Recently, one of the great clubs and communities of Derry has been rocked by anonymous allegations against a large number of families of wife swapping and all sorts. Again, huge hurt has been caused because this stuff has been shared throughout the land by GAA folk who should know better.

Some years ago, one of our elite county footballers, struggling with a pathological gambling addiction, found himself at his lowest ebb and put himself in a dreadfully compromising position. The footage was leaked out and GAA folk gleefully shared it. It was sent to me. I deleted it without watching and rang the sender (a friend) to forcefully tell him never to send me anything like that again.

When I was growing up and going through the ranks of Dungiven and Derry, we never had this problem. The sense of solidarity was very strong. If anyone was in trouble, we were all in trouble.

Problems from family break up to alcoholism, gambling addiction to unemployment were all dealt with within the community. Publically naming and shaming just for the fun of it never happened. Of course, we didn't have camera phones. The only time I ever saw a camera about the club was when The Mid Ulster's Danny 'Click' O'Kane took pictures of the team before the throw-in at a championship match.

Last year, I was being trolled online by someone I didn't know with very vicious personal abuse. Not that it bothers me, but I noticed his profile pic was of a well-known GAA club, so I rang a friend of mine who owns a pub in that town.

He said "I know his father well. I am surprised at the young fella, I wouldn't have thought he was like that." I read out some of the abuse he was subjecting me to over the phone. "Jesus Christ, I'll go over to the house now." And so he did.

About an hour later I got a phone call. It was the lad's father. "I've a boy here has something to say to you Joe." The lad apologised, I accepted and when we talked about it, it was clear that he had genuinely no idea of the sort of impact this sort of thing can have on people.

I think the lesson for us all, is that if you're going to have an orgy on the altar, leave your phone at home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 23, 2021, 10:13:43 AM
I don't think this week's fixtures will be anywhere near as predictable as people think. No harm Smurfy but you're a clown, 'success' over the last few years is absolute shite. Our club hasn't done anything to warrant a seat at the top table. There is Kilcoo, then Burren and then the rest of us all. At least Burren can say they won it in 2018. There are 4/5 good footballing sides in the reckoning but a big gulf in class from Magpies to the rest of us all IMO.

I think unless there are a few bodies back for W'Point we will struggle massively Sunday. Yes, a reaction would be fantastic and I'd love to see it but I don't think we have the quality at our disposal now to brush aside any team in this championship tbh. I'm going for a draw, with CPN winning in ET but it will be very close.

RGU will destroy the stone I think...they've a great group of players and if they all perform to the expected standard, they'll win by 7 or 8pts. My upset of the round is for the town to beat Rostrevor. The reds are favourites for the game and neither will be within a hound's gowl of counting come business end but It will be a decent game and I fancy CWellan to edge it.

Bridge will win comfortably and I think that result again Kilcoo won't bother them, as they know they can play better and still hung in for 45mins against Kilcoo who were very good IMO.

Going for Clonduff to beat Kilcoo as well in an upset and we'll see W'point v Kilcoo third round probably for a decent gate. Burren with another draw they'll absolutely coast through. Glenn have a lot of good lads but they're miles off where Burren are at this minute in time. Burren forwards will run riot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 24, 2021, 11:27:11 AM
Looking forward to another weekend of great football.
I am really looking forward to Sunday to see how Darragh Cross can cope with the pace of Liatriom and also if Clonduff can continue their league form against the championship favorites.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 24, 2021, 01:30:12 PM
Conor Mc Crickards transfer and Liam Middletons absence will be a big loss to Liatroim, have to fancy Darragh Cross, Kilcoo just to edge their game with Clonduff, but could meet again when its knock out!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 24, 2021, 01:31:02 PM
Quote from: Targetman on September 24, 2021, 01:30:12 PM
Conor Mc Crickards transfer and Liam Middletons absence will be a big loss to Liatroim, have to fancy Darragh Cross, Kilcoo just to edge their game with Clonduff, but could meet again when its knock out!!

Where has he transferred to?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 24, 2021, 04:14:10 PM
A team in Cork (apparently works there)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 24, 2021, 07:29:14 PM
Anyone know whos bright idea it was to stream a game from probably the biggest network black spot in the county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 24, 2021, 07:48:17 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 24, 2021, 07:29:14 PM
Anyone know whos bright idea it was to stream a game from probably the biggest network black spot in the county?

18 quid and can't even get on at all. Trying to charge another fiver for by the sound of it no coverage anyway. But sure hi its only a couple a quid, decent spuds trying to provide a service.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on September 25, 2021, 08:59:21 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 24, 2021, 07:48:17 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 24, 2021, 07:29:14 PM
Anyone know whos bright idea it was to stream a game from probably the biggest network black spot in the county?

18 quid and can't even get on at all. Trying to charge another fiver for by the sound of it no coverage anyway. But sure hi its only a couple a quid, decent spuds trying to provide a service.

I've mixed feelings about it to be honest. On one hand, the attempt to widen the coverage of our championship is a fantastic idea, it reaches those that are housebound, abroad or even those from other counties.

On the other hand, it doesn't seem like any network testing was done at Liatroim or Ballymartin prior to the day of the match, going to those grounds on the day and hoping for the best is just lunacy. Then asking people to cough up £5 a head for a sub-par service, then not issuing a credit for a future game or refund when it doesn't work sends the whole lot into farce. Asking people to pay when you've no idea if the service will work doesn't sit right with me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 25, 2021, 03:23:32 PM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on September 25, 2021, 08:59:21 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 24, 2021, 07:48:17 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 24, 2021, 07:29:14 PM
Anyone know whos bright idea it was to stream a game from probably the biggest network black spot in the county?

18 quid and can't even get on at all. Trying to charge another fiver for by the sound of it no coverage anyway. But sure hi its only a couple a quid, decent spuds trying to provide a service.

I've mixed feelings about it to be honest. On one hand, the attempt to widen the coverage of our championship is a fantastic idea, it reaches those that are housebound, abroad or even those from other counties.

On the other hand, it doesn't seem like any network testing was done at Liatroim or Ballymartin prior to the day of the match, going to those grounds on the day and hoping for the best is just lunacy. Then asking people to cough up £5 a head for a sub-par service, then not issuing a credit for a future game or refund when it doesn't work sends the whole lot into farce. Asking people to pay when you've no idea if the service will work doesn't sit right with me
Yea bar those 2 games the coverage has been excellent and its a handy way of taking in more games. But as soon as I heard the game was being streamed in Liatroim i knew it was a recipe for disaster. Although to compensate they sent an email this morning saying that they would film Bredagh Ballyholland game and put it on site on demand which is fair enough and a good gesture
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Post by: charlieTully on September 25, 2021, 09:08:31 PM
Much better this evening. 👌
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 25, 2021, 10:17:43 PM
We just ran out of legs against The Bridge today in Newcastle, don't think the 8 point loss reflected the game. We've a young team and there'll be better days out for us. Burren or Kilcoos too win I think, infighting in Kilcoo might catch them out but they always seem to find a way through Down Championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on September 26, 2021, 12:10:03 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 25, 2021, 10:17:43 PM
We just ran out of legs against The Bridge today in Newcastle, don't think the 8 point loss reflected the game. We've a young team and there'll be better days out for us. Burren or Kilcoos too win I think, infighting in Kilcoo might catch them out but they always seem to find a way through Down Championship
?????🤔
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 26, 2021, 07:11:53 AM
Quote from: Last Caress on September 26, 2021, 12:10:03 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 25, 2021, 10:17:43 PM
We just ran out of legs against The Bridge today in Newcastle, don't think the 8 point loss reflected the game. We've a young team and there'll be better days out for us. Burren or Kilcoos too win I think, infighting in Kilcoo might catch them out but they always seem to find a way through Down Championship
?????🤔

How do all rows start these days, Someone texting another persons other half caused a bit of a row
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Post by: Caitlin on September 26, 2021, 12:02:41 PM
Big day for Clonduff and Dinky McBride today. Clealry all not well in the Kilcoo camp and if the Yellas are going to make a statement, today is the day to do it.
I think CPN may not have it as easy against the Ford as people expect and Bredagh may also be a dark horse against Ballyholland.
RGU are motoring well although Collins will be a massive loss the next day.
Enjoyed the tv coverage of Bridge v Island yesterday- Cory Quinn is some footballer. Loughinisland should stay in the SFC and I think between Rostrevor and saul who go to IFC.
Darragh Cross looking good in the IFC and St Pauls to bounce back against Bright
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Post by: Lotto on September 26, 2021, 05:53:41 PM
Kilcoo seriously efficient again today. There for the taking and Clonduff will rue the easy chances they missed throughout the game, they have only themselves to blame. Kilcoo now have a week off to sort out any niggles with Clonduff being bruised and back out next week. Ballyholland down by 3 at half time, should be an interesting second half. Decent production today but no harm to Mc Grath but he is hard to listen to. I hope Patsy is doing the game later on.
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Post by: Down Follower on September 26, 2021, 08:21:32 PM
I actually think McGrath is the best one of the group. He's not monotone like quite a few. Portrays the excitement well.
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Post by: SuperRed on September 26, 2021, 08:32:47 PM
Rostrevor desperately unlucky to be facing SFC playoffs given the problems they've had and their second half performance last night. Lads pulling on the jersey deserve credit... Castlewellan very fortunate at the end. Don't think anyone really knows if it was a goal. Saul or Bryansford probably most likely to end up at IFC level next season, but its all on the day - I would say Saul. They have just found the going tough, but their draw was very difficult compared to what they might have got in fairness... Loughinisland seem to be getting somewhere closer to what we expect from them and Rostrevor have had a recent run of wins against Ford and have the players to outgun Bryansford in a scoring match. Kilcoo just seem to find those scores and extra bits and pieces over an hour of play. Clonduff played quite well but yet found themselves beaten with a little to spare. Downpatrick getting a bit of momentum. Will be interesting to see how they get on if /when they hit the knockout...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 27, 2021, 08:54:38 AM
Kilcoo does what Kilcoo does, grind out a victory.  Clonduff like the Bridge before them had plenty of chances but did not capitalise. I havent seen anyone yet who will touch them. Ballyholland were lucky yesterday v a well-organised Bredagh team. Castlewellan seem to love the last minute goals and Mayobridge get over the line v a plucky Loughinisland team. Warrenpoint upped the ante and i think their is a kick in them. There is some interesting games coming up in the forthcoming weeks but I still think Kilcoo are the team to beat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 27, 2021, 10:52:07 AM
Can clubs do something about their members abusing the county board social media page? These people are volunteers who give up their time to post scores. We have never had better access to scores and games ever.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 27, 2021, 10:57:01 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 27, 2021, 10:52:07 AM
Can clubs do something about their members abusing the county board social media page? These people are volunteers who give up their time to post scores. We have never had better access to scores and games ever.

I would second this - all voluntarily done. Credit given where credit due, nobody is perfect
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Post by: ScarvaLegend on September 27, 2021, 11:13:38 AM
I had a quick scroll through Twitter and Facebook and can't see any negative comments but that is likely because they have since been deleted. But I know what you are talking about, and some comments have been very disappointing.

In regards to Championship coverage, I believe the County Board is going above and beyond to provide a good level of coverage for every game. Keep in mind that you can't expect someone from the CB at every game all weekend. Also, they shouldn't have to provide every score from every game, imagine the mess that would make if there were 5 or 6 games going on at once!

With that being said, the clubs themselves could be doing more to engage with their members/supporters. Some clubs give a fantastic commentary of the game, in particular Castlewellan have an excellent feed. A lot of other clubs do a score by score and allows you to easily follow the game. Other clubs don't post for months on end and it causes something of a media blackout for some Championship games when two of these teams play each other. I think that can be particularly frustrating as a lot of the time the person controlling the twitter account is probably standing at the game, how hard is it to whip out the phone at a water break and half time and send a quick tweet.

So for me, any frustration aimed at the County Board is entirely misplaced and I'll say the Board have been doing a fantastic job over the last two weekends.
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Post by: upandwin on September 27, 2021, 12:53:59 PM
Agree with the above...and I know the comment that we're alluding to. I don't necessarily think the person updating the scores is the same person who deciding to charge underage people in to the games. I don't agree that U16s should be charged BUT no one is being forced to go to a game with five or six kids. There is a streaming service for most games and that will cost £5 for a household, which I think is fairly reasonable.

The same people complaining about not being able to afford £20 to see the club that means so much to them, are the same men and women paying £120 a month for Sky sports without blinking an eye. Also I think £5 a head is more than fair for adults going to games. I have been to a couple of Irish league games North and South and the charge is normally around £15-20 p/person. It really seems like people are going out of their way to be offended by this. These are generally the same people that complain about the lack of resources and funds for our county teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 27, 2021, 12:56:03 PM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on September 27, 2021, 11:13:38 AM
I had a quick scroll through Twitter and Facebook and can't see any negative comments but that is likely because they have since been deleted. But I know what you are talking about, and some comments have been very disappointing.

In regards to Championship coverage, I believe the County Board is going above and beyond to provide a good level of coverage for every game. Keep in mind that you can't expect someone from the CB at every game all weekend. Also, they shouldn't have to provide every score from every game, imagine the mess that would make if there were 5 or 6 games going on at once!

With that being said, the clubs themselves could be doing more to engage with their members/supporters. Some clubs give a fantastic commentary of the game, in particular Castlewellan have an excellent feed. A lot of other clubs do a score by score and allows you to easily follow the game. Other clubs don't post for months on end and it causes something of a media blackout for some Championship games when two of these teams play each other. I think that can be particularly frustrating as a lot of the time the person controlling the twitter account is probably standing at the game, how hard is it to whip out the phone at a water break and half time and send a quick tweet.

So for me, any frustration aimed at the County Board is entirely misplaced and I'll say the Board have been doing a fantastic job over the last two weekends.

Good job but get house in order with regards live streams of matches outside of Newry - don't advertise and take money for something you can't offer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 27, 2021, 02:27:57 PM
Will Burren and Glenn be worth going to? Glenn looked good last week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 27, 2021, 02:35:38 PM
Can't see this one being close tonight. Glenn will hang in tight for 20mins but be a couple behind at HT. Burren will run riot second half, they've pace and power everywhere. Burren to win by 8 pulling up.

I agree Glenn looked decent last week but after the shambles of a display from the Ford against a poor enough W'point side, maybe that Glenn result wasn't as good as we cracked it up to be.
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Post by: Smurfy123 on September 27, 2021, 09:43:15 PM
That was another shocking performance from us last night
Bryansford missed a guilt edge goal chance and a penalty before we even looked like playing
Long aimless ball kicked into the forward line
It's plain as day every other team in Down didn't give a damn about the league
We need a big improvement to overcome Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 28, 2021, 08:38:34 AM
Burren into the quarters without breaking a sweat, it's hard to know if that will benefit them in the long run, they certainly have some dangerous forwards but the jury is still out on whether they can take the magpies.
The clash of the clash so far will take place on Sunday even between the 2020 and 2021 league winners, it has the potential to be a cracker but i think the injury to McGarry could sway it for the yellows but this could go to the extra time, it's one I am really looking forward to. The championship begins this weekend!
DJ will be up against his own club and I expect a response from Darragh Cross who were average on Sunday.
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Post by: whitegoodman on September 28, 2021, 08:44:38 AM
Burren were poor last night.  Sloppy was probably the right word to describe them.  If they got one of Clonduff, Warrenpoint or Mayobridge in the QF they could be caught cold give the lack of opposition they have faced to date.

Kilcoo still the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 28, 2021, 09:06:11 AM
Kilcoo has two weeks off now which will get Dabs and Dylan Ward time to recover. They are ahead of the rest by a bit but still can be caught but a team will need to take their chances. Mayobridge and Clonduff had plenty but never took them. There are only 4 teams left which on their day could beat the magpies and one will be eliminated at the weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 28, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
Some draw last night...who in the world could have foreseen that we'd get drawn with Clonduff? That'll be the end of the road for our lads surely...in fairness we are miles off Burren and Kilcoo so it makes no odds whether we play Clonduff now or a better team later as there's a big gulf. Streamed the Burren game last night and I fancy them to win the whole thing. Two easy fixtures has given them a chance to give lots of lads plenty of football and not have to risk any injured players like Fegan and Toner. Liam Kerr and Danny Magill are different gravy. Kilcoo will be worried about Burren IMO...The rest of the teams in the county are a side act...County board will surely keep Kilcoo and Burren apart in the semi finals hoping for a showpiece event.

Not much excitement other than our game this wkend. Should be a good crowd there on Sunday night. Fancy Mayobridge to do enough against Bredagh, they'll win by 2/3 pulling up. Castlewellan will fancy their chances against Glenn but that game will be close and I think Glenn will edge it. Carryduff and Longstone will be tight as well but I think Carryduff will see it through.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 28, 2021, 09:24:58 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 28, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
Some draw last night...who in the world could have foreseen that we'd get drawn with Clonduff? That'll be the end of the road for our lads surely...in fairness we are miles off Burren and Kilcoo so it makes no odds whether we play Clonduff now or a better team later as there's a big gulf. Streamed the Burren game last night and I fancy them to win the whole thing. Two easy fixtures has given them a chance to give lots of lads plenty of football and not have to risk any injured players like Fegan and Toner. Liam Kerr and Danny Magill are different gravy. Kilcoo will be worried about Burren IMO...The rest of the teams in the county are a side act...County board will surely keep Kilcoo and Burren apart in the semi finals hoping for a showpiece event.

Not much excitement other than our game this wkend. Should be a good crowd there on Sunday night. Fancy Mayobridge to do enough against Bredagh, they'll win by 2/3 pulling up. Castlewellan will fancy their chances against Glenn but that game will be close and I think Glenn will edge it. Carryduff and Longstone will be tight as well but I think Carryduff will see it through.

Thats correct the CCC will fix the draw to ensure Kilcoo play Burren in the final ::)
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Post by: upandwin on September 28, 2021, 02:52:37 PM
Hopefully...would make for a good final in fairness lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 28, 2021, 03:39:07 PM
If the Point doesn't win this weekend, I think it's the last chance for the so-called golden generation to win a championship as Burren is going to get stronger for the next few years. Looking at underage I cannot see CPN producing the same caliber of players in the next number of numbers as the other big division one clubs around them. Will the Warrenpoint committee be happy with a league title?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 28, 2021, 03:56:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 28, 2021, 09:24:58 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 28, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
Some draw last night...who in the world could have foreseen that we'd get drawn with Clonduff? That'll be the end of the road for our lads surely...in fairness we are miles off Burren and Kilcoo so it makes no odds whether we play Clonduff now or a better team later as there's a big gulf. Streamed the Burren game last night and I fancy them to win the whole thing. Two easy fixtures has given them a chance to give lots of lads plenty of football and not have to risk any injured players like Fegan and Toner. Liam Kerr and Danny Magill are different gravy. Kilcoo will be worried about Burren IMO...The rest of the teams in the county are a side act...County board will surely keep Kilcoo and Burren apart in the semi finals hoping for a showpiece event.

Not much excitement other than our game this wkend. Should be a good crowd there on Sunday night. Fancy Mayobridge to do enough against Bredagh, they'll win by 2/3 pulling up. Castlewellan will fancy their chances against Glenn but that game will be close and I think Glenn will edge it. Carryduff and Longstone will be tight as well but I think Carryduff will see it through.

Thats correct the CCC will fix the draw to ensure Kilcoo play Burren in the final ::)

I'm presuming the 4 teams already into the quarter finals will be kept apart and each will end up playing a round three?? winner or are all 8 teams entered into an open draw?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on September 28, 2021, 03:57:50 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 28, 2021, 03:56:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 28, 2021, 09:24:58 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 28, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
Some draw last night...who in the world could have foreseen that we'd get drawn with Clonduff? That'll be the end of the road for our lads surely...in fairness we are miles off Burren and Kilcoo so it makes no odds whether we play Clonduff now or a better team later as there's a big gulf. Streamed the Burren game last night and I fancy them to win the whole thing. Two easy fixtures has given them a chance to give lots of lads plenty of football and not have to risk any injured players like Fegan and Toner. Liam Kerr and Danny Magill are different gravy. Kilcoo will be worried about Burren IMO...The rest of the teams in the county are a side act...County board will surely keep Kilcoo and Burren apart in the semi finals hoping for a showpiece event.

Not much excitement other than our game this wkend. Should be a good crowd there on Sunday night. Fancy Mayobridge to do enough against Bredagh, they'll win by 2/3 pulling up. Castlewellan will fancy their chances against Glenn but that game will be close and I think Glenn will edge it. Carryduff and Longstone will be tight as well but I think Carryduff will see it through.

Thats correct the CCC will fix the draw to ensure Kilcoo play Burren in the final ::)

I'm presuming the 4 teams already into the quarter finals will be kept apart and each will end up playing a round three?? winner or are all 8 teams entered into an open draw?

It'll be seeded. Round 2 winners play a Round 3 qualifier.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 28, 2021, 05:09:49 PM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on September 28, 2021, 03:57:50 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 28, 2021, 03:56:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 28, 2021, 09:24:58 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 28, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
Some draw last night...who in the world could have foreseen that we'd get drawn with Clonduff? That'll be the end of the road for our lads surely...in fairness we are miles off Burren and Kilcoo so it makes no odds whether we play Clonduff now or a better team later as there's a big gulf. Streamed the Burren game last night and I fancy them to win the whole thing. Two easy fixtures has given them a chance to give lots of lads plenty of football and not have to risk any injured players like Fegan and Toner. Liam Kerr and Danny Magill are different gravy. Kilcoo will be worried about Burren IMO...The rest of the teams in the county are a side act...County board will surely keep Kilcoo and Burren apart in the semi finals hoping for a showpiece event.

Not much excitement other than our game this wkend. Should be a good crowd there on Sunday night. Fancy Mayobridge to do enough against Bredagh, they'll win by 2/3 pulling up. Castlewellan will fancy their chances against Glenn but that game will be close and I think Glenn will edge it. Carryduff and Longstone will be tight as well but I think Carryduff will see it through.

Thats correct the CCC will fix the draw to ensure Kilcoo play Burren in the final ::)

I'm presuming the 4 teams already into the quarter finals will be kept apart and each will end up playing a round three?? winner or are all 8 teams entered into an open draw?

It'll be seeded. Round 2 winners play a Round 3 qualifier.

Thought as much.
Those pesky members of the CCC will keep Burren and Kilcoo apart yet again..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on September 28, 2021, 10:55:44 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 28, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
Some draw last night...who in the world could have foreseen that we'd get drawn with Clonduff? That'll be the end of the road for our lads surely...in fairness we are miles off Burren and Kilcoo so it makes no odds whether we play Clonduff now or a better team later as there's a big gulf. Streamed the Burren game last night and I fancy them to win the whole thing. Two easy fixtures has given them a chance to give lots of lads plenty of football and not have to risk any injured players like Fegan and Toner. Liam Kerr and Danny Magill are different gravy. Kilcoo will be worried about Burren IMO...The rest of the teams in the county are a side act...County board will surely keep Kilcoo and Burren apart in the semi finals hoping for a showpiece event.

Not much excitement other than our game this wkend. Should be a good crowd there on Sunday night. Fancy Mayobridge to do enough against Bredagh, they'll win by 2/3 pulling up. Castlewellan will fancy their chances against Glenn but that game will be close and I think Glenn will edge it. Carryduff and Longstone will be tight as well but I think Carryduff will see it through.

In fairness I think you got this the wrong way round...Kilcoo have no fear of Burren and have shown that clearly over the past decade...Burren along with everyone else have it all to prove.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 29, 2021, 08:24:28 AM
Knockout football from here
Some big games no bigger than Sunday

Bredagh Mayobridge - Mayobridge by 6

Carryduff Longstone - Carryduff by 6

CPN Clonduff - CPN by 2 but we must improve on previous performances

Glenn Castlewellan - Glenn by 2 after extra time

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 29, 2021, 08:37:16 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 29, 2021, 08:24:28 AM
Knockout football from here
Some big games no bigger than Sunday

Bredagh Mayobridge - Mayobridge by 6

Carryduff Longstone - Carryduff by 6

CPN Clonduff - CPN by 2 but we must improve on previous performances

Glenn Castlewellan - Glenn by 2 after extra time


If Ross is still out, Clonduff will beat yous, I just dont think CPN have the same zip as the last few years, they look laboured going forward. Clonduff sharpshooters cant have as bad a day again!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 29, 2021, 10:34:59 AM
Our lady and st Patricks Knock are entering the McRory cup for the first time ever, this is a massive achievement for the Belfast clubs and a great boost for East Down Gaels who are continually watching the Newry schools getting all the glory. That should be the aim of the Red High, to become a consistent McRory cup school, the clubs that feed the schools are strong clubs, this should be a target for Down GAA!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 29, 2021, 10:49:35 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 29, 2021, 10:34:59 AM
Our lady and st Patricks Knock are entering the McRory cup for the first time ever, this is a massive achievement for the Belfast clubs and a great boost for East Down Gaels who are continually watching the Newry schools getting all the glory. That should be the aim of the Red High, to become a consistent McRory cup school, the clubs that feed the schools are strong clubs, this should be a target for Down GAA!

Where could i find fixtures for the macrory games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: delgany on September 29, 2021, 11:12:00 AM
Quote from: general on September 29, 2021, 10:49:35 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 29, 2021, 10:34:59 AM
Our lady and st Patricks Knock are entering the McRory cup for the first time ever, this is a massive achievement for the Belfast clubs and a great boost for East Down Gaels who are continually watching the Newry schools getting all the glory. That should be the aim of the Red High, to become a consistent McRory cup school, the clubs that feed the schools are strong clubs, this should be a target for Down GAA!

Where could i find fixtures for the macrory games?

http://www.danskebankulsterschoolsgaa.com/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 29, 2021, 05:57:50 PM
Agree we looked laboured
But it's the same team that won the league and kicked 3.15 in out last league game and beat both Burren and Kilcoo along the way
How can we look so poor within 2 weeks of winning a league
That should have been the confidence we needed to kick on
I still think we can find our league form
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 29, 2021, 10:11:53 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 29, 2021, 10:34:59 AM
Our lady and st Patricks Knock are entering the McRory cup for the first time ever, this is a massive achievement for the Belfast clubs and a great boost for East Down Gaels who are continually watching the Newry schools getting all the glory. That should be the aim of the Red High, to become a consistent McRory cup school, the clubs that feed the schools are strong clubs, this should be a target for Down GAA!

Easier said than done this.. St Louis were there for a couple of years and have disappeared, St Paul's, St Malachys - all back at McLarnon level now..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 30, 2021, 04:30:41 PM
I was chatting with a Bredagh man today and they are confident of beating Mayobridge this weekend, they are really disappointed in getting hit by the sucker punch from Balyholland. Could they be worth a punt at 11/2?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on September 30, 2021, 05:10:42 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 30, 2021, 04:30:41 PM
I was chatting with a Bredagh man today and they are confident of beating Mayobridge this weekend, they are really disappointed in getting hit by the sucker punch from Balyholland. Could they be worth a punt at 11/2?
Good luck with the punt
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 30, 2021, 05:37:05 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 29, 2021, 10:11:53 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 29, 2021, 10:34:59 AM
Our lady and st Patricks Knock are entering the McRory cup for the first time ever, this is a massive achievement for the Belfast clubs and a great boost for East Down Gaels who are continually watching the Newry schools getting all the glory. That should be the aim of the Red High, to become a consistent McRory cup school, the clubs that feed the schools are strong clubs, this should be a target for Down GAA!

Easier said than done this.. St Louis were there for a couple of years and have disappeared, St Paul's, St Malachys - all back at McLarnon level now..
That St Louis team was a bit of a freak team. In 2005 they had at least 3 players in James Colgan, Marty Clarke and Joe Ireland that played on the Down U21 team whilst still in school which is a bit of a rare occurance, especially in Marty's case as he was still in Lower 6th. Marty and James were also both on the Down minor team that won the All Ireland a few months later. That team came together thanks to a lot of strong underage teams in the local clubs, namely An Riocht and Rostrevor in the early 00's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on September 30, 2021, 06:17:44 PM
Folks is the online coverage from Pairc Esler decent this year? Won't make the games so was going to watch online if it does the job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 30, 2021, 06:25:16 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on September 30, 2021, 06:17:44 PM
Folks is the online coverage from Pairc Esler decent this year? Won't make the games so was going to watch online if it does the job
Yeah pairc esler coverage is good
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 30, 2021, 07:24:29 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 30, 2021, 06:25:16 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on September 30, 2021, 06:17:44 PM
Folks is the online coverage from Pairc Esler decent this year? Won't make the games so was going to watch online if it does the job
Yeah pairc esler coverage is good

Just turn the volume down unless Patsy is commentating.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on September 30, 2021, 09:00:11 PM
Quote from: Lotto on September 30, 2021, 07:24:29 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 30, 2021, 06:25:16 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on September 30, 2021, 06:17:44 PM
Folks is the online coverage from Pairc Esler decent this year? Won't make the games so was going to watch online if it does the job
Yeah pairc esler coverage is good

Just turn the volume down unless Patsy is commentating.

The commentary is fine. Only point is Patsy roars down the microphone at a goal/goal chance and its RIP eardrums. Hes a good commentator for 59 minutes of the matches though!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 01, 2021, 09:37:30 AM
you are paying £3 for a match, are you expecting Micheal O'Hir FFS, enjoy the games from the comfort of your home and stop complaining, please. These people are volunteers !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 01, 2021, 01:10:25 PM
Patsy is a legend, our very own Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh.
CPN/Clonduff too close to call; betting has CPN slight favs which seems right.
Longstone could surprise Carryduff. Glenn/Castlewellan will be cannon fodder in the next round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 01, 2021, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: befair on October 01, 2021, 01:10:25 PM
Patsy is a legend, our very own Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh.
CPN/Clonduff too close to call; betting has CPN slight favs which seems right.
Longstone could surprise Carryduff. Glenn/Castlewellan will be cannon fodder in the next round.

4 South Down and 4 East Down teams will be in the quarters
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on October 01, 2021, 01:46:28 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 01, 2021, 09:37:30 AM
you are paying £3 for a match, are you expecting Micheal O'Hir FFS, enjoy the games from the comfort of your home and stop complaining, please. These people are volunteers !!!!!!!!!!!

Apologies, I didn't want anyone to misinterpret my message, I agree Patsy is legendary and has provided a fantastic service to this county over the last 40 years. The other lads are doing a great job.

Regarding this weekend, absolutely agree that CPN/Clonduff is far too close to call. If you flipped a coin it would land on its side!
The Bridge should have too much for Bredagh this evening, and that's probably the only clear cut one of the weekend.
Carryduff should just edge out the Stone tomorrow, but I think it will be a lot closer than people anticipate, maybe only a point or two in Carryduff's favour at the end.
On Monday night, I think Castlewellan can just edge out Glenn but wouldn't be surprised in a reverse result here either.

All in all, we've a fantastic weekend of football ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 01, 2021, 01:47:54 PM
Have many of you watched the RGU yet? I haven't seen them myself but hear that they could be dangerous to some of the Div 1 teams if they meet in the quarters. Perhaps not for outright winning it but is a semi/final realistic if they avoid Kilcoo and Burren?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 01, 2021, 01:49:32 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 01, 2021, 01:47:54 PM
Have many of you watched the RGU yet? I haven't seen them myself but hear that they could be dangerous to some of the Div 1 teams if they meet in the quarters. Perhaps not for outright winning it but is a semi/final realistic if they avoid Kilcoo and Burren?

They won't play Kilcoo or Burren in the quarters
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on October 02, 2021, 04:05:34 PM
October and still haven't announced a new county management  set up. I thought they would have had someone in place before the championship got serious. Wonder what the hold up as been.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 02, 2021, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 02, 2021, 04:05:34 PM
October and still haven't announced a new county management  set up. I thought they would have had someone in place before the championship got serious. Wonder what the hold up as been.
They prob cant get the 1st 2nd or 3rd choice or else it's a management team still involved in championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 02, 2021, 07:08:40 PM
Word on the street is that our Full back from 91 is the new manager 👀👀
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 02, 2021, 07:13:47 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on October 02, 2021, 04:05:34 PM
October and still haven't announced a new county management  set up. I thought they would have had someone in place before the championship got serious. Wonder what the hold up as been.

Why is that? What's the correlation between county management and serious championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 02, 2021, 08:30:10 PM
Cpn by 2, everyone has dismissed them there has to be a kick in them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 02, 2021, 08:43:27 PM
Quote from: urbangael on October 02, 2021, 07:08:40 PM
Word on the street is that our Full back from 91 is the new manager 👀👀

I've been hearing this for weeks now and for the future of Down football I sincerely hope this is completely untrue. We have had some bad managerial choices over the years, none more so than our last man but if this man was to be appointed it would be the biggest retrograde step in the history of Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 03, 2021, 07:51:16 AM
I'd have to agree with you. It's not the most impressive CV to be honest. Currently managing in Div 4 in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 03, 2021, 08:39:30 PM
Duine- Very true and funny.
At some point we'll all have to realise we're at a certain level and it may be some time before we dine at the top table. But whoever takes over needs positive encouragement and not the same negative rhetoric.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 03, 2021, 08:49:45 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 03, 2021, 08:39:30 PM
Duine- Very true and funny.
At some point we'll all have to realise we're at a certain level and it may be some time before we dine at the top table. But whoever takes over needs positive encouragement and not the same negative rhetoric.

Totally agree.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on October 03, 2021, 08:52:47 PM
Clonduff looked good tonight- but I think CPN have had a poor championship. Mulholland was a fine footballer but is very limited as a manager and not clear what added value Polie is bringing.
The Carrs, McConvilles, Brannigans and O'Hagans are super footballers and when you add in young talent like Brown and Close they are likely to be there or there abouts. Thanks to the excellent coverage from Down GAA TV ( the action replays and post match interviews have really improved things but the streaming from anywhere beyond Newry and Newcastle is problematic) we are all able to get a perspective on the main contenders behind Kilcoo; from what I've seen the order is Burren,Clonduff, Mayobridge, RGU,Carryduff, Ballyholland, Glenn, Castlewellan of the surviving teams.
Let's hope the Down management team pay for their bundles over the next three weekends.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 03, 2021, 08:57:23 PM
Hard to believe how poor CPN have been under their new management compared to under mc aleenan. Same squad but playing crap.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 03, 2021, 09:00:16 PM
Enjoyable game this evening. Clonduff got their rewards for playing the more attacking football. No doubt injuries to key players have really had a huge impact on the blues. Nobody will want to draw Clonduff in the quarters. Faloon doesn't get every call right (what ref does in fairness) but he lets the game go rather than blowing every minor incident which really makes for a more free flowing enjoyable game. Probably the best ref in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 03, 2021, 09:22:52 PM
Well that was brutal. Mulholland was and has been out of his depth all season. He won a half league title but the standard of play has been brutal. I'm afraid that could be the point on the way down the slope again. Playing Players who have literally only came back into the fold a month ago is totally wrong IMO and was our problem for years. McAleenan won f**k all with us - but the bluffers knew where they stood.
Our golden team, golden generation, best team in decades and we end up with a half league trophy. I'll take it but it means little.. how people rate us as second best team in the county is laughable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 03, 2021, 09:27:55 PM
These reports are a bit unkind; mid 2nd half, CPN had just reduced the deficit to 2 pts with 2 brilliant pts from ~45 metres, and it was anyone's game. Then a mix-up in the CPN square gave away a goal, and their heads dropped after that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on October 03, 2021, 09:46:01 PM
The Point have gone backward massively in the last 18 months. From a Team that had pace all over the field and carried an attacking threat, to a one paced defensive Team who spend half the game fist passing the ball across the opposition 40.

Mullholland looked clueless for the majority of that game and the Longstone game. Roaring "pressurise the ball" with 10 minutes to go, while still playing a sweeper is a huge contradiction.

No bravery or willingless to attack the game when it was there for the taking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 03, 2021, 10:31:15 PM
Faloon is no doubt the best at the minute. Too many games are ruined by not having a flow.
As for CPN, in danger of following the path of Castlewellan a few years ago. Never got over the line when it mattered
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 03, 2021, 11:12:56 PM
Superb win for Bredagh today in the SHC, beating Ballygalget by 2 today down there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 04, 2021, 08:48:52 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 03, 2021, 11:12:56 PM
Superb win for Bredagh today in the SHC, beating Ballygalget by 2 today down there.

No qualms from us, better team won on the day.

I see they are also set to play Ballycran in our place this Sunday due to the unavailability of Carryduff I'm assuming.

They also might fair better against Ballycran with a bit of space for their forwards to operate in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 04, 2021, 08:49:42 AM
What a win for St Pauls on Saturday versus Attical, they are a club on the up. Darragh Cross was too strong for Newry Shamrocks and the defeat against Liatroim good be what they needed.
On the SFC front, Bredagh gave Maobridge a scare but the experience saw them pull away in the last 1 or so, they need to be a lot more clinical if they are going to proceed. Carryduff push on after grinding a victory out v the Stone and Clonduff looked impressive v a lacklustre Warrenpoint, McGarry is a massive loss for them but John Boyle has not reached the heights of the last few seasons. A clean sweep of underage football titles by South Down clubs again! Are they doing something down there that needs to be fed to other clubs as we need to improve wholely as a county? In A competitions it seems to be competed by the same few teams every year. In years gone by there used to be a shock team every few years but it seems clubs like Burren, Ballyholland, Mayobridge, Byransford are competing for the honours every year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on October 04, 2021, 09:09:32 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 04, 2021, 08:48:52 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 03, 2021, 11:12:56 PM
Superb win for Bredagh today in the SHC, beating Ballygalget by 2 today down there.

No qualms from us, better team won on the day.

I see they are also set to play Ballycran in our place this Sunday due to the unavailability of Carryduff I'm assuming.

They also might fair better against Ballycran with a bit of space for their forwards to operate in.

What way do the groups etc work? Do they go to semi finals? What do the groups count towards? (or group I assume...)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 04, 2021, 10:40:22 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 04, 2021, 08:49:42 AM
What a win for St Pauls on Saturday versus Attical, they are a club on the up. Darragh Cross was too strong for Newry Shamrocks and the defeat against Liatroim good be what they needed.
On the SFC front, Bredagh gave Maobridge a scare but the experience saw them pull away in the last 1 or so, they need to be a lot more clinical if they are going to proceed. Carryduff push on after grinding a victory out v the Stone and Clonduff looked impressive v a lacklustre Warrenpoint, McGarry is a massive loss for them but John Boyle has not reached the heights of the last few seasons. A clean sweep of underage football titles by South Down clubs again! Are they doing something down there that needs to be fed to other clubs as we need to improve wholely as a county? In A competitions it seems to be competed by the same few teams every year. In years gone by there used to be a shock team every few years but it seems clubs like Burren, Ballyholland, Mayobridge, Byransford are competing for the honours every year.

The point can't keep looking to John Boyle, he must be 36 at this stage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 04, 2021, 12:10:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 04, 2021, 09:09:32 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 04, 2021, 08:48:52 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 03, 2021, 11:12:56 PM
Superb win for Bredagh today in the SHC, beating Ballygalget by 2 today down there.

No qualms from us, better team won on the day.

I see they are also set to play Ballycran in our place this Sunday due to the unavailability of Carryduff I'm assuming.

They also might fair better against Ballycran with a bit of space for their forwards to operate in.

What way do the groups etc work? Do they go to semi finals? What do the groups count towards? (or group I assume...)

Top two go into the final..

currently both Portaferry and Ballycran are sitting at played 4, won 3 so look to be favourites to progress.

Bredagh would need to win both their remaining games against both and hope we beat either one of those two then score differences come into it.


1   Portaferry   4   3   1   0   90   69   21   6
2   Ballycran   4   3   1   0   92   75   17   6
3   Bredagh   4   1   3   0   75   89   -14   2
4   Ballygalget 4   1   3   0   74   98   -24   2

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on October 04, 2021, 12:24:15 PM
Ah I did wonder. Bredagh kind of get it tough. They'd senior football saturday then hurling yesterday. I don't know how much overlap there is but there's at least Danny Hughes's sons who seem to be their main men.

Yeah looks to be a bit too much to expect them to get to the final but at least there is now another team there to threaten you ards boys  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 04, 2021, 12:39:17 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 04, 2021, 12:24:15 PM
Ah I did wonder. Bredagh kind of get it tough. They'd senior football saturday then hurling yesterday. I don't know how much overlap there is but there's at least Danny Hughes's sons who seem to be their main men.

Yeah looks to be a bit too much to expect them to get to the final but at least there is now another team there to threaten you ards boys  ;D

They've been beating us Ards boys right up through underage for quite a few years now and have finally been able to get some of those young lads to commit to senior hurling then they're definitely going to be in the mix for the next while.

All good in my mind whilst we ourselves need to develop more players and have been hit hard with injuries the pleasing thing was that we started one 18yo, and brought on two others and none looked out of place albeit they could do with learning some "ahem" dark arts as they're a tad soft in certain scenarios..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on October 04, 2021, 12:43:39 PM
Tbh I think covid has helped clubs like Bredagh. I think some of the belfast clubs tend to have a lot of younger ones who travel and haven't been able to. (I honestly think that is why Rossa so much better in antrim but anyway that's for another thread)

A few ards derbies will harden them up in no time ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 04, 2021, 01:57:13 PM
After last nights performance I can see Clonduff going on to win Frank, they won it in 81 and 2001, they are due one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The_big_bad_wolf on October 04, 2021, 05:33:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 04, 2021, 01:57:13 PM
After last nights performance I can see Clonduff going on to win Frank, they won it in 81 and 2001, they are due one

Truth hurts just to correct you, Clonduff won Frank in 1980 & 2000
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 04, 2021, 09:16:47 PM
Interesting draws tonight.
Looks like the harps are heading for their third semi final in a row. Clonduff v Downpatrick could be interesting , Kilcoo will hammer carryduff and the noisy neighbours could come a cropper v Mayobridge..
all to play for..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 05, 2021, 08:52:23 AM
Ballyholland must get the luckiest draws in Ireland, Carryduff will worry Kilcoo for a while but the magpies will storm through. Clonduff should take RGU and Burrens excellent youth players will take them easily into the semi-final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 05, 2021, 09:13:09 AM
I am only after hearing about the u15 plate championship final, Tullylish v St Johns. Tullylish full forward scored 4.5 or something, was not in the winning team photo. Apparently a ringer from Banbridge and illegal. Congratulations on your u15 plate victory Tullylish  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 05, 2021, 09:27:15 AM
Interesting draws...

RGU could beat Clonduff if they turn up but they will need a lot to go right for them and hope Clonduff have an off day. Burren will beat Mayobridge 9 times out of 10 in that fixture. The sky blues are afraid of Burren I think. They have had them on the ropes for the last four or five years in league games and always conspired to lose it with a last minute goal or ship 4/5pts in the dying minutes somehow. Would love to see the Bridge win but can't foresee anything other than Burren by 3/4.

Kilcoo will always just do enough and probs won't give too much away. Glenn could trouble Harps but I think Ballyholland will have just enough to win. Ballyholland get some amount of easy draws...but they'll not get past the semi final once again. If they play Kilcoo, Burren or Clonduff/RGU they'll get spanked.

Semi Finals will be Kilcoo v Clonduff and Burren v Ballyholland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 05, 2021, 09:35:38 AM
Quote from: upandwin on October 05, 2021, 09:27:15 AM
Interesting draws...

RGU could beat Clonduff if they turn up but they will need a lot to go right for them and hope Clonduff have an off day. Burren will beat Mayobridge 9 times out of 10 in that fixture. The sky blues are afraid of Burren I think. They have had them on the ropes for the last four or five years in league games and always conspired to lose it with a last minute goal or ship 4/5pts in the dying minutes somehow. Would love to see the Bridge win but can't foresee anything other than Burren by 3/4.

Kilcoo will always just do enough and probs won't give too much away. Glenn could trouble Harps but I think Ballyholland will have just enough to win. Ballyholland get some amount of easy draws...but they'll not get past the semi final once again. If they play Kilcoo, Burren or Clonduff/RGU they'll get spanked.

Semi Finals will be Kilcoo v Clonduff and Burren v Ballyholland.

I have liked what I have seen from Burren this year and if they can get over the line this year, I expect them to dominate for a number of years, the amount of underage glory the past number of years is staggering and they added another minor title to their history at the weekend.  Kilcoo v Burren final for me.
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Post by: terrifictommy on October 05, 2021, 11:07:04 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 05, 2021, 09:13:09 AM
I am only after hearing about the u15 plate championship final, Tullylish v St Johns. Tullylish full forward scored 4.5 or something, was not in the winning team photo. Apparently a ringer from Banbridge and illegal. Congratulations on your u15 plate victory Tullylish  :D

From what I heard (obviously 12th watered down version) Tullylish were more than aware and concocted a story to the photographer about the boy being in photos. A well known referee was the manager as well.
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Post by: SamFever on October 05, 2021, 08:15:38 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 05, 2021, 11:07:04 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 05, 2021, 09:13:09 AM
I am only after hearing about the u15 plate championship final, Tullylish v St Johns. Tullylish full forward scored 4.5 or something, was not in the winning team photo. Apparently a ringer from Banbridge and illegal. Congratulations on your u15 plate victory Tullylish  :D

From what I heard (obviously 12th watered down version) Tullylish were more than aware and concocted a story to the photographer about the boy being in photos. A well known referee was the manager as well.
The 'ole Rum/Black 😅😅
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2021, 08:10:27 AM
The dust has settled from the weekend
What a terrible 3 weeks for us
From winning the league to going out of the championship in a whim
It has been a terrible year
If it has learnt me anything league football in Down is a waste of time in terms of tryin to win a league
It's all about championship and it's obvious most other teams turned attention to the championship midway through the league
I do feel the current management will have a few serious conversations with the committee if they want to stay on next year
We needed to bring things to a new level when NMA left and that simply didn't happen which the players sensed.
Niall put his life into the club for 4 years and it rubbed off on players which has been missing this year
It looks like our golden generation may be over and our underage is not great
Boyles x2
Rhino
McMahon
R mcaleenan
Davidson
C McCartan

All above could go

If the management stay on I think they need to add some spark to the set up
We looked so leggy and clueless tactically both defensively and going Forward
We looked like the only plan going forward was to launch high ball into Jamie
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 06, 2021, 08:56:52 AM
You won your first senior title (1/2 title) in nearly 70 years, you should be grateful. What did the players not sense? Blame the management again scenario!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2021, 09:07:28 AM
Blame the management again when I just said NMA took us to a very high level?
I didn't blame management
I said players sensed that things didn't go to a higher level
The reason you take in a manager is to try get the players to a higher level than the previous manager
Truth u said on the 4th that you fancied Clonduff for the Frank O Hare cup and a few posts later tipped Kilcoo Burren for the final
Now i think what you say will be taken with a pinch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 06, 2021, 11:05:37 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2021, 09:07:28 AM
Blame the management again when I just said NMA took us to a very high level?
I didn't blame management
I said players sensed that things didn't go to a higher level
The reason you take in a manager is to try get the players to a higher level than the previous manager
Truth u said on the 4th that you fancied Clonduff for the Frank O Hare cup and a few posts later tipped Kilcoo Burren for the final
Now i think what you say will be taken with a pinch

Maybe it's the fault of the players? Did they commit enough?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on October 06, 2021, 11:28:33 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 06, 2021, 11:05:37 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2021, 09:07:28 AM
Blame the management again when I just said NMA took us to a very high level?
I didn't blame management
I said players sensed that things didn't go to a higher level
The reason you take in a manager is to try get the players to a higher level than the previous manager
Truth u said on the 4th that you fancied Clonduff for the Frank O Hare cup and a few posts later tipped Kilcoo Burren for the final
Now i think what you say will be taken with a pinch

Maybe it's the fault of the players? Did they commit enough?

Player's definitely didn't commit fully, but the management played them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2021, 12:02:00 PM
I don't know of any player who didn't fully commit?
If they didn't commit they wouldn't be on the panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on October 06, 2021, 12:15:36 PM
Can this discussion not be about teams still left in the championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2021, 12:18:06 PM
It's a discussion board
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 06, 2021, 12:18:50 PM
It looked to me that NMCA took a no-shit bullshit approach and ensured that Gaelic was first and foremost in everyone's mind and that soccer was cast aside. . All in all a league title is a massive achievement and you should be very grateful to the management and players for delivering it. Looking all your underage, you seem to be playing a lot in B and C sections which with the population should not be happening. Newry, Warrenpoint, Castlewellan, and Downpatrick clubs have the population to ensure that their underage teams are not in div 3 or 4 competitions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2021, 12:35:36 PM
All grades outside A except for our under 15s
It may be a while before we win the senior championship
The hurt of this year is the only way I can see one last kick in this team but that's what it will be. A last kick.
It will all depend if any retirements happen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 06, 2021, 01:42:26 PM
Quote from: sdg on October 06, 2021, 11:28:33 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 06, 2021, 11:05:37 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 06, 2021, 09:07:28 AM
Blame the management again when I just said NMA took us to a very high level?
I didn't blame management
I said players sensed that things didn't go to a higher level
The reason you take in a manager is to try get the players to a higher level than the previous manager
Truth u said on the 4th that you fancied Clonduff for the Frank O Hare cup and a few posts later tipped Kilcoo Burren for the final
Now i think what you say will be taken with a pinch

Maybe it's the fault of the players? Did they commit enough?

Player's definitely didn't commit fully, but the management played them.
So you blame the management then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 07, 2021, 08:53:39 AM
No I didn't blame anyone
I said things were not taken to a higher level than what the previous manager did
That's what was expected
The players have to take responsibility too
That said I believe this group have 1 last kick in them if they really want it
I also believe the current management will be preparing already for next season
With this years extended season clubs don't have much time to plan for next season regarding new managers etc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 07, 2021, 09:13:23 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 07, 2021, 08:53:39 AM
No I didn't blame anyone
I said things were not taken to a higher level than what the previous manager did
That's what was expected
The players have to take responsibility too
That said I believe this group have 1 last kick in them if they really want it
I also believe the current management will be preparing already for next season
With this years extended season clubs don't have much time to plan for next season regarding new managers etc
Extended?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 07, 2021, 10:51:30 AM
Going by the previews it seems that Caryduff and Mayobridge have no chance this weekend.
Will there be any intermediate games on Down Tv this weekend?
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Post by: Nanderson on October 07, 2021, 11:30:26 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 07, 2021, 10:51:30 AM
Going by the previews it seems that Caryduff and Mayobridge have no chance this weekend.
Will there be any intermediate games on Down Tv this weekend?
no 4 senior games plus loughinisland bryansford relegation match
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Post by: Johnnysboys on October 07, 2021, 06:12:06 PM
It actually makes me laugh when people talk about NMCA taking our club to a new level - he did no such thing. Won absolutely f**k all in his tenure and that's what success is based on. Not taking s**t from players is one thing - but players not being allowed to play for their own club teams because a blow in getting £££ (and a very hefty back room team) is dictating is completely wrong.
At same time I feel Mulholland made mistake this year letting players who trained only a month play championship. Setting those type standards is not what wins year in year out.
If we want to compete - we need to compete at top level at all underage teams, we need to freshen up the senior team every year with 2-4 players putting themselves forward for consideration. But these players need a chance to play. No point playing the same old every year especially when they have proven on the championship stage they can't cut it..
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Post by: Lotto on October 07, 2021, 07:44:53 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 07, 2021, 06:12:06 PM
It actually makes me laugh when people talk about NMCA taking our club to a new level - he did no such thing. Won absolutely f**k all in his tenure and that's what success is based on. Not taking s**t from players is one thing - but players not being allowed to play for their own club teams because a blow in getting £££ (and a very hefty back room team) is dictating is completely wrong.
At same time I feel Mulholland made mistake this year letting players who trained only a month play championship. Setting those type standards is not what wins year in year out.
If we want to compete - we need to compete at top level at all underage teams, we need to freshen up the senior team every year with 2-4 players putting themselves forward for consideration. But these players need a chance to play. No point playing the same old every year especially when they have proven on the championship stage they can't cut it..

That's a bit harsh Johnny, what do you mean? I'm not talking about the money as he was supposedly looking £1000 a week from Clonduff for his management team. As for playing players only back, they were recognised seniors and had helped get the Point close to the top in Down, whey would he not play them?

Bringing underage players through is the lifeblood to any senior team but if the Point are playing lower level stuff then the chances of having 2/3 younger players into the senior set up every year is slim. That's not going to help them in the long term and if they don't win a championship very soon then it's never gonna in the next 10 - 15 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 07, 2021, 10:14:24 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 07, 2021, 06:12:06 PM
we need to compete at top level at all underage teams,

Totally correct.

Even if you get a single brilliant team coming through the underage - that'll be very unlikely to carry a club to senior glory unless the support cast are of the standard.

Unless by fluke, no club comes to the top of the pile overnight.


So instead of throwing money at a new senior boss - committees around the county might well do better by throwing a bit more money at their underage teams instead. Be that even just footballs, or coaching courses for the coaches, or a bit more expensive - better (floodlit) training pitches.

There are no trees or mountaintops on a football pitch. Players can run just as well with a ball as without - so running through forests or Kilbroney is either a coach doing it wrong or a coach that doesn't have a pitch to train on.
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Post by: Johnnysboys on October 07, 2021, 10:29:08 PM


That's a bit harsh Johnny, what do you mean? I'm not talking about the money as he was supposedly looking £1000 a week from Clonduff for his management team. As for playing players only back, they were recognised seniors and had helped get the Point close to the top in Down, whey would he not play them?

Bringing underage players through is the lifeblood to any senior team but if the Point are playing lower level stuff then the chances of having 2/3 younger players into the senior set up every year is slim. That's not going to help them in the long term and if they don't win a championship very soon then it's never gonna in the next 10 - 15 years.
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Players that were training around their working life were told to make greater sacrifices or leave - sometimes people shud remember it's an amateur game with people that have to work to pay the bills. Young Gallagher had serious potential as a minor - tough as nails corner back who took no shit.. Told to go. Aaron Magee - told to go.
As for players getting us near the top what a message to send to our younger players - Magee n Davidson can train for a month n play. Thanks for training your ass off since April but the two lads are back now so use can p**s off... Its wrong on so many levels. But typical of paid management looking for a quick fix..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 08, 2021, 01:15:55 PM
Sounds like someone you know had to make way for players the management believed offered more to the clubs needs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 08, 2021, 01:22:38 PM
I can laugh at the Point ones on this, You are like spoilt children complaining. Both SM and NMcA have taken CPN/Warrenpoint to the closest that they have ever been in my lifetime. Even to be dining at the top table is a credit to you all. There are a lot of clubs in East Down who would be glad of being in your position.
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Post by: Mourne Red on October 09, 2021, 02:49:55 PM
Finn finally going to get their hands on the JFC unless Drumaness pluck some form from a magic hat.. At both JFC games so far and poor enough, Dundrum must have injuries or disagreements in house 6 players who should be starting on bench.
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Post by: SHEEDY on October 09, 2021, 08:08:53 PM
Kilcoo always seem to do enough to get the job done, fair play to Carryduff who looked beat in the first half but fought back well. Kilcoo's better bench and experience seen them through in the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 10, 2021, 03:02:14 PM
Patsy and Dessie are back  ;D, 'great to have you back Dessie, delighted to be here Patsy.'
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Post by: befair on October 10, 2021, 05:05:23 PM
Clonduff impressive today; Darren O'Hagan really is outstanding, ran the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 10, 2021, 05:47:32 PM
Some difference between the performances of Darren and his Down vice captain today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 10, 2021, 06:37:58 PM
What a result for Saul today...outstanding achievement to see them win their first senior game in a long long time. What in the name of god has happened Rostrevor though? What an absolute shambles of a year for them...only a matter of time before they're relegated as well. Pete McGrath surely won't stick around next year? Well done Saul...great to see it
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Post by: manwithnoplan on October 10, 2021, 07:04:05 PM
Rostrevor or Bryansford playing intermediate next year then, as division 1 clubs whichever one it is will surely be looking a run in Ulster IFC.
The difference in intensity and quality in the L'Island v B'Ford compared to RGU v Clonduff seemed vast, though that's harder to judge when watching a (dodgy) stream.
Clonduff played some nice football, the O'Hagans and Arthur McConville all excellent. Arthur the top 'traditional' full forward in Down maybe? RGU were good too, a year in division 1 should see them even more competitive in next year's SFC.
Great result for Saul, getting another go at senior football next year will bring them on.
Great win for Drumgath too, Liatriom well fancied so will Drumgath be the dark horses and make up for last year's defeat?
Kilcoo doing what they do, but maybe looking slightly more vulnerable and the remaining teams will be boosted by how Carryduff pushed them.
Enjoyable stuff anyway, credit to all the teams and players for the efforts and skill on show. And still more to come....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on October 10, 2021, 11:57:33 PM
Hearing reports Castlewellan, Rostrevor and Loughinisland could all be in the hunt for new managers for next year already..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 11, 2021, 08:06:58 AM
Castlewellan not happy at getting promoted and winning a SFC game? Or is that management team moving on of their own accord? Seemed a fairly successful year for them...

L'Island have wasted a good group of players IMO over the last number of years. Makings of a really good team but always flopped on the bigger days. For a string of a few years they had Quarter Finals done and dusted but seemed to conspire to mess it up...now their team is ageing. Flynn and Mason entering the latter stages of their careers and Dan hasn't loads of time left either I wouldn't think...have the got anything coming through at Minor or 21 level?

Rostrevor are in real trouble...they just seem to be going from bad to worse. Have a few good lads who want to give everything for the jersey and then they have a vast majority who don't seem to care one bit what happens the club. From what I've seen this year they have shown no heart, no passion and no leadership on or off the field. The great Pete McGrath surely won't stay on another year but who will take them? Can't see anyone massively dying to take them other than the allure of an Intermediate championship and Ulster run, they'll be getting spanked every week in Div1 and with 12 teams in the league next year they would do very very well to finish 3rd bottom...sad times for the Super Reds
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 11, 2021, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: upandwin on October 11, 2021, 08:06:58 AM
Castlewellan not happy at getting promoted and winning a SFC game? Or is that management team moving on of their own accord? Seemed a fairly successful year for them...

L'Island have wasted a good group of players IMO over the last number of years. Makings of a really good team but always flopped on the bigger days. For a string of a few years they had Quarter Finals done and dusted but seemed to conspire to mess it up...now their team is ageing. Flynn and Mason entering the latter stages of their careers and Dan hasn't loads of time left either I wouldn't think...have the got anything coming through at Minor or 21 level?

Rostrevor are in real trouble...they just seem to be going from bad to worse. Have a few good lads who want to give everything for the jersey and then they have a vast majority who don't seem to care one bit what happens the club. From what I've seen this year they have shown no heart, no passion and no leadership on or off the field. The great Pete McGrath surely won't stay on another year but who will take them? Can't see anyone massively dying to take them other than the allure of an Intermediate championship and Ulster run, they'll be getting spanked every week in Div1 and with 12 teams in the league next year they would do very very well to finish 3rd bottom...sad times for the Super Reds

Completely off the mark about Loughinisland.. We had 3 players over 30 playing in championship hardly an ageing team and Flynn and Mason are both only 28 so just coming into their Prime as footballers both physically and experience wise.. We've good young players coming through who will need to fill out physically over the winter, been hard for them to do with gyms being closed for near a full 18months with COVID so expecting 18-20 year olds  to take the team forward is a bit much..  but if they get in it over the winter period we will be in good stead for next season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on October 11, 2021, 05:57:48 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 11, 2021, 05:05:19 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 11, 2021, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: upandwin on October 11, 2021, 08:06:58 AM
Castlewellan not happy at getting promoted and winning a SFC game? Or is that management team moving on of their own accord? Seemed a fairly successful year for them...

L'Island have wasted a good group of players IMO over the last number of years. Makings of a really good team but always flopped on the bigger days. For a string of a few years they had Quarter Finals done and dusted but seemed to conspire to mess it up...now their team is ageing. Flynn and Mason entering the latter stages of their careers and Dan hasn't loads of time left either I wouldn't think...have the got anything coming through at Minor or 21 level?

Rostrevor are in real trouble...they just seem to be going from bad to worse. Have a few good lads who want to give everything for the jersey and then they have a vast majority who don't seem to care one bit what happens the club. From what I've seen this year they have shown no heart, no passion and no leadership on or off the field. The great Pete McGrath surely won't stay on another year but who will take them? Can't see anyone massively dying to take them other than the allure of an Intermediate championship and Ulster run, they'll be getting spanked every week in Div1 and with 12 teams in the league next year they would do very very well to finish 3rd bottom...sad times for the Super Reds

Completely off the mark about Loughinisland.. We had 3 players over 30 playing in championship hardly an ageing team and Flynn and Mason are both only 28 so just coming into their Prime as footballers both physically and experience wise.. We've good young players coming through who will need to fill out physically over the winter, been hard for them to do with gyms being closed for near a full 18months with COVID so expecting 18-20 year olds  to take the team forward is a bit much..  but if they get in it over the winter period we will be in good stead for next season
Is Jody Gormley away?

?? Saul maybe. Vacancy there I believe
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 11, 2021, 09:00:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 28, 2021, 09:24:58 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 28, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
Some draw last night...who in the world could have foreseen that we'd get drawn with Clonduff? That'll be the end of the road for our lads surely...in fairness we are miles off Burren and Kilcoo so it makes no odds whether we play Clonduff now or a better team later as there's a big gulf. Streamed the Burren game last night and I fancy them to win the whole thing. Two easy fixtures has given them a chance to give lots of lads plenty of football and not have to risk any injured players like Fegan and Toner. Liam Kerr and Danny Magill are different gravy. Kilcoo will be worried about Burren IMO...The rest of the teams in the county are a side act...County board will surely keep Kilcoo and Burren apart in the semi finals hoping for a showpiece event.

Not much excitement other than our game this wkend. Should be a good crowd there on Sunday night. Fancy Mayobridge to do enough against Bredagh, they'll win by 2/3 pulling up. Castlewellan will fancy their chances against Glenn but that game will be close and I think Glenn will edge it. Carryduff and Longstone will be tight as well but I think Carryduff will see it through.

Thats correct the CCC will fix the draw to ensure Kilcoo play Burren in the final ::)

;D
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Post by: knockitdown on October 12, 2021, 08:28:46 AM
JFC Semis
Dundrum V Drumaness in Liatroim Friday 22nd @ 7.15
East belfast V The Finn in Downpatrick Friday 22nd @ 7.15

IFC Semis
Drumgath V An Riocht in Ballymartin Friday 22nd @ 7.15
Annaclone V Darragh Cross in Kilcoo Saturday 23rd @ 6

SFC Semis
Kilcoo v Ballyholland in Newry Sunday 24th @ 3
Conduff v Burren in Newry Sunday 24th @ 7.15
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on October 12, 2021, 08:46:46 AM
Quote from: SamFever on October 11, 2021, 05:05:19 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 11, 2021, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: upandwin on October 11, 2021, 08:06:58 AM
Castlewellan not happy at getting promoted and winning a SFC game? Or is that management team moving on of their own accord? Seemed a fairly successful year for them...

L'Island have wasted a good group of players IMO over the last number of years. Makings of a really good team but always flopped on the bigger days. For a string of a few years they had Quarter Finals done and dusted but seemed to conspire to mess it up...now their team is ageing. Flynn and Mason entering the latter stages of their careers and Dan hasn't loads of time left either I wouldn't think...have the got anything coming through at Minor or 21 level?

Rostrevor are in real trouble...they just seem to be going from bad to worse. Have a few good lads who want to give everything for the jersey and then they have a vast majority who don't seem to care one bit what happens the club. From what I've seen this year they have shown no heart, no passion and no leadership on or off the field. The great Pete McGrath surely won't stay on another year but who will take them? Can't see anyone massively dying to take them other than the allure of an Intermediate championship and Ulster run, they'll be getting spanked every week in Div1 and with 12 teams in the league next year they would do very very well to finish 3rd bottom...sad times for the Super Reds

Completely off the mark about Loughinisland.. We had 3 players over 30 playing in championship hardly an ageing team and Flynn and Mason are both only 28 so just coming into their Prime as footballers both physically and experience wise.. We've good young players coming through who will need to fill out physically over the winter, been hard for them to do with gyms being closed for near a full 18months with COVID so expecting 18-20 year olds  to take the team forward is a bit much..  but if they get in it over the winter period we will be in good stead for next season
Is Jody Gormley away?

Yes, confirmed last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 12, 2021, 09:04:49 AM
Clonduff looked good on Sunday and I expect them to beat Burren. Burren looked good on Sunday in the first half but Mayobridge will be kicking themselves with some wayward shooting. I think Clonduff forwards will be a lot more clinical and a Kilcoo v Clonduff final will certainly be a tasty affair.
Darragh should now win the intermediate after Liatriom being ousted. Liatroim were riddled with injuries and if they are going to improve in football they will need to choose hurling or football. It's not doing the players any good.
The Fin are strong favourites for the junior and I expect the 3 championships to come to the East in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 12, 2021, 09:29:26 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 12, 2021, 09:04:49 AM
Clonduff looked good on Sunday and I expect them to beat Burren. Burren looked good on Sunday in the first half but Mayobridge will be kicking themselves with some wayward shooting. I think Clonduff forwards will be a lot more clinical and a Kilcoo v Clonduff final will certainly be a tasty affair.
Darragh should now win the intermediate after Liatriom being ousted. Liatroim were riddled with injuries and if they are going to improve in football they will need to choose hurling or football. It's not doing the players any good.
The Fin are strong favourites for the junior and I expect the 3 championships to come to the East in the next few weeks.

Have to agree with what you say about Mayobridge kicking themselves, some really poor shot selections and maybe a lack of killer instinct cost them big time. Clonduff looked very good in killing off the RGU challenge and look to have more clinical forwards than 'Bridge so it makes for another potentially excellent game.
While I see your point about Liatriom players being stretched too thinly, it would be sad to see them give up on one of the codes as there are so many talented players there in both codes. It's a job for the county board to protect these dying breeds through scheduling. Not an easy task but they need to try something. Drumgath had a very good win and will be full of confidence now so I wouldn't write them off just yet either.
The junior looks to be sewn up, with a lack of quality this year compared to previous years. With Bright, St Paul's and Dromara all division 4 clubs this year but playing intermediate, it has taken the competition out of it. And with the Finn likely to be playing intermediate next year too, it'll leave probably Bosco to walk through it. I can't see them beating St John's but if that did happen, that would be a div 2 team against div 4 teams next year. While the restructuring and relegation play off system has obviously helped those other clubs play at a higher level, it is detrimental to the competition levels of the JFC. Though I admit I don't see an obvious solution there either. I suppose that brings us back to reserve teams from the bigger clubs entering it, as used to be the case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 12, 2021, 11:13:53 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 12, 2021, 09:29:26 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 12, 2021, 09:04:49 AM
Clonduff looked good on Sunday and I expect them to beat Burren. Burren looked good on Sunday in the first half but Mayobridge will be kicking themselves with some wayward shooting. I think Clonduff forwards will be a lot more clinical and a Kilcoo v Clonduff final will certainly be a tasty affair.
Darragh should now win the intermediate after Liatriom being ousted. Liatroim were riddled with injuries and if they are going to improve in football they will need to choose hurling or football. It's not doing the players any good.
The Fin are strong favourites for the junior and I expect the 3 championships to come to the East in the next few weeks.

Have to agree with what you say about Mayobridge kicking themselves, some really poor shot selections and maybe a lack of killer instinct cost them big time. Clonduff looked very good in killing off the RGU challenge and look to have more clinical forwards than 'Bridge so it makes for another potentially excellent game.
While I see your point about Liatriom players being stretched too thinly, it would be sad to see them give up on one of the codes as there are so many talented players there in both codes. It's a job for the county board to protect these dying breeds through scheduling. Not an easy task but they need to try something. Drumgath had a very good win and will be full of confidence now so I wouldn't write them off just yet either.
The junior looks to be sewn up, with a lack of quality this year compared to previous years. With Bright, St Paul's and Dromara all division 4 clubs this year but playing intermediate, it has taken the competition out of it. And with the Finn likely to be playing intermediate next year too, it'll leave probably Bosco to walk through it. I can't see them beating St John's but if that did happen, that would be a div 2 team against div 4 teams next year. While the restructuring and relegation play off system has obviously helped those other clubs play at a higher level, it is detrimental to the competition levels of the JFC. Though I admit I don't see an obvious solution there either. I suppose that brings us back to reserve teams from the bigger clubs entering it, as used to be the case.
Relegation to junior championship is between bosco and Dromara
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 12, 2021, 11:16:29 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 28, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
Some draw last night...who in the world could have foreseen that we'd get drawn with Clonduff? That'll be the end of the road for our lads surely...in fairness we are miles off Burren and Kilcoo so it makes no odds whether we play Clonduff now or a better team later as there's a big gulf. Streamed the Burren game last night and I fancy them to win the whole thing. Two easy fixtures has given them a chance to give lots of lads plenty of football and not have to risk any injured players like Fegan and Toner. Liam Kerr and Danny Magill are different gravy. Kilcoo will be worried about Burren IMO...The rest of the teams in the county are a side act...County board will surely keep Kilcoo and Burren apart in the semi finals hoping for a showpiece event.

Not much excitement other than our game this wkend. Should be a good crowd there on Sunday night. Fancy Mayobridge to do enough against Bredagh, they'll win by 2/3 pulling up. Castlewellan will fancy their chances against Glenn but that game will be close and I think Glenn will edge it. Carryduff and Longstone will be tight as well but I think Carryduff will see it through.

Clonduff won't beat Burren...Burren will win the full thing. Clonduff will bottle it this wkend against the first decent team they've faced. Kilcoo could get caught on the hop by the Harps...that'll be closer than people think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 12, 2021, 11:30:44 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 12, 2021, 11:13:53 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 12, 2021, 09:29:26 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 12, 2021, 09:04:49 AM
Clonduff looked good on Sunday and I expect them to beat Burren. Burren looked good on Sunday in the first half but Mayobridge will be kicking themselves with some wayward shooting. I think Clonduff forwards will be a lot more clinical and a Kilcoo v Clonduff final will certainly be a tasty affair.
Darragh should now win the intermediate after Liatriom being ousted. Liatroim were riddled with injuries and if they are going to improve in football they will need to choose hurling or football. It's not doing the players any good.
The Fin are strong favourites for the junior and I expect the 3 championships to come to the East in the next few weeks.

Have to agree with what you say about Mayobridge kicking themselves, some really poor shot selections and maybe a lack of killer instinct cost them big time. Clonduff looked very good in killing off the RGU challenge and look to have more clinical forwards than 'Bridge so it makes for another potentially excellent game.
While I see your point about Liatriom players being stretched too thinly, it would be sad to see them give up on one of the codes as there are so many talented players there in both codes. It's a job for the county board to protect these dying breeds through scheduling. Not an easy task but they need to try something. Drumgath had a very good win and will be full of confidence now so I wouldn't write them off just yet either.
The junior looks to be sewn up, with a lack of quality this year compared to previous years. With Bright, St Paul's and Dromara all division 4 clubs this year but playing intermediate, it has taken the competition out of it. And with the Finn likely to be playing intermediate next year too, it'll leave probably Bosco to walk through it. I can't see them beating St John's but if that did happen, that would be a div 2 team against div 4 teams next year. While the restructuring and relegation play off system has obviously helped those other clubs play at a higher level, it is detrimental to the competition levels of the JFC. Though I admit I don't see an obvious solution there either. I suppose that brings us back to reserve teams from the bigger clubs entering it, as used to be the case.
Relegation to junior championship is between bosco and Dromara

Apologies, my mistake. Though again I can't see Dromara being troubled by any of the other sides if they are the team relegated given they only lost to Bright in the league this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 12, 2021, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: upandwin on October 12, 2021, 11:16:29 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 28, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
Some draw last night...who in the world could have foreseen that we'd get drawn with Clonduff? That'll be the end of the road for our lads surely...in fairness we are miles off Burren and Kilcoo so it makes no odds whether we play Clonduff now or a better team later as there's a big gulf. Streamed the Burren game last night and I fancy them to win the whole thing. Two easy fixtures has given them a chance to give lots of lads plenty of football and not have to risk any injured players like Fegan and Toner. Liam Kerr and Danny Magill are different gravy. Kilcoo will be worried about Burren IMO...The rest of the teams in the county are a side act...County board will surely keep Kilcoo and Burren apart in the semi finals hoping for a showpiece event.

Not much excitement other than our game this wkend. Should be a good crowd there on Sunday night. Fancy Mayobridge to do enough against Bredagh, they'll win by 2/3 pulling up. Castlewellan will fancy their chances against Glenn but that game will be close and I think Glenn will edge it. Carryduff and Longstone will be tight as well but I think Carryduff will see it through.


Kilcoo will win Frank and win the Ulster title again, whoever wins in Derry and Tyrone will party for a week. There is nothing in Armagh or Monaghan to trouble Kilcoo either .
Clonduff won't beat Burren...Burren will win the full thing. Clonduff will bottle it this wkend against the first decent team they've faced. Kilcoo could get caught on the hop by the Harps...that'll be closer than people think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 12, 2021, 01:32:58 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 12, 2021, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: upandwin on October 12, 2021, 11:16:29 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 28, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
Some draw last night...who in the world could have foreseen that we'd get drawn with Clonduff? That'll be the end of the road for our lads surely...in fairness we are miles off Burren and Kilcoo so it makes no odds whether we play Clonduff now or a better team later as there's a big gulf. Streamed the Burren game last night and I fancy them to win the whole thing. Two easy fixtures has given them a chance to give lots of lads plenty of football and not have to risk any injured players like Fegan and Toner. Liam Kerr and Danny Magill are different gravy. Kilcoo will be worried about Burren IMO...The rest of the teams in the county are a side act...County board will surely keep Kilcoo and Burren apart in the semi finals hoping for a showpiece event.

Not much excitement other than our game this wkend. Should be a good crowd there on Sunday night. Fancy Mayobridge to do enough against Bredagh, they'll win by 2/3 pulling up. Castlewellan will fancy their chances against Glenn but that game will be close and I think Glenn will edge it. Carryduff and Longstone will be tight as well but I think Carryduff will see it through.


Kilcoo will win Frank and win the Ulster title again, whoever wins in Derry and Tyrone will party for a week. There is nothing in Armagh or Monaghan to trouble Kilcoo either .
Clonduff won't beat Burren...Burren will win the full thing. Clonduff will bottle it this wkend against the first decent team they've faced. Kilcoo could get caught on the hop by the Harps...that'll be closer than people think

Bit early to write off all the other clubs in Ulster, especially given how strong Tyrone clubs are and how their SFC winners may well have All Ireland winners in their side to keep standards high and who will be hungry for even more success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 12, 2021, 01:53:25 PM
Tyrone club's notoriously bad in Ulster at SFC level for whatever reason and I don't think that will change this year.. I suspect it'll be between Kilcoo/Burren and the Derry/Donegal winners for Ulster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on October 12, 2021, 05:06:27 PM
Quote from: upandwin on October 12, 2021, 11:16:29 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 28, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
Some draw last night...who in the world could have foreseen that we'd get drawn with Clonduff? That'll be the end of the road for our lads surely...in fairness we are miles off Burren and Kilcoo so it makes no odds whether we play Clonduff now or a better team later as there's a big gulf. Streamed the Burren game last night and I fancy them to win the whole thing. Two easy fixtures has given them a chance to give lots of lads plenty of football and not have to risk any injured players like Fegan and Toner. Liam Kerr and Danny Magill are different gravy. Kilcoo will be worried about Burren IMO...The rest of the teams in the county are a side act...County board will surely keep Kilcoo and Burren apart in the semi finals hoping for a showpiece event.

Not much excitement other than our game this wkend. Should be a good crowd there on Sunday night. Fancy Mayobridge to do enough against Bredagh, they'll win by 2/3 pulling up. Castlewellan will fancy their chances against Glenn but that game will be close and I think Glenn will edge it. Carryduff and Longstone will be tight as well but I think Carryduff will see it through.

Clonduff won't beat Burren...Burren will win the full thing. Clonduff will bottle it this wkend against the first decent team they've faced. Kilcoo could get caught on the hop by the Harps...that'll be closer than people think

Ballyholland arent gona come within 6 points of kilcoo next weekend - absolute gulf in quality. Ballyholland very poor last night - couldnt believe how poor they were - expected alot better
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Centre 3/4 on October 12, 2021, 05:34:45 PM
Nowhere close. Glenn very unlucky to lose the two Millars early on or could've been a different story. Credit to the harps in another semi final but they aren't at the same level to trouble the others
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 13, 2021, 09:38:02 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 12, 2021, 09:04:49 AM
Clonduff looked good on Sunday and I expect them to beat Burren. Burren looked good on Sunday in the first half but Mayobridge will be kicking themselves with some wayward shooting. I think Clonduff forwards will be a lot more clinical and a Kilcoo v Clonduff final will certainly be a tasty affair.
Darragh should now win the intermediate after Liatriom being ousted. Liatroim were riddled with injuries and if they are going to improve in football they will need to choose hurling or football. It's not doing the players any good.
The Fin are strong favourites for the junior and I expect the 3 championships to come to the East in the next few weeks.

How much hurling do Liatroim play?  I mean in terms of fixtures outisde of training?  Not being funny, genuine question.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 13, 2021, 09:44:39 AM
Is there any word on the county senior job?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 13, 2021, 10:10:42 AM
Think Paul Chuckle was approached at the weekend and turned it down, doesn't want to get back in to the county spotlight since his brother Barry passed away.

That leaves Tony the Tiger, Jedward, Poacher/Deegan or Dustin the Turkey favourites for the post. Only problem is none of them played on the 90s teams with exception of Deego.

The fact that it is semi-final stages in SFC and no manager appointed is an absolute farce...now that everyone in the country has known for over 6weeks that there has been a vacancy and we haven't got anyone in place that anyone worth their salt who is approached now will turn it down as they'll think they were an afterthought.

At this rate we'll be lucky to have anyone who has been involved with a county team previously so will have to roll the rice on a relatively unknown quantity and hope for the best...Niall McAleenan, Jody Gormley or DJ from Carryduff could end up in the hot seat the way things are going...sad state of affairs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on October 13, 2021, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 12, 2021, 09:04:49 AM
Clonduff looked good on Sunday and I expect them to beat Burren. Burren looked good on Sunday in the first half but Mayobridge will be kicking themselves with some wayward shooting. I think Clonduff forwards will be a lot more clinical and a Kilcoo v Clonduff final will certainly be a tasty affair.
Darragh should now win the intermediate after Liatriom being ousted. Liatroim were riddled with injuries and if they are going to improve in football they will need to choose hurling or football. It's not doing the players any good.
The Fin are strong favourites for the junior and I expect the 3 championships to come to the East in the next few weeks.

No merit in that, none of those you're referencing had anything to do with hurling.

Drumgath were a very well organised outfit and full value for their win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 13, 2021, 12:05:59 PM
The Down job has been vacant for over 3 months
Has the be the longest dragged out process for a long time
Men turned them down and then went looking for others who obviously knew they were down the list and said no
The men who now want it seem to be the only candidates but the selection committee are scrambling about for the big name to save face

Still think it will be one from
Laverty
Deegans
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 13, 2021, 12:43:52 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 13, 2021, 12:05:59 PM
The Down job has been vacant for over 3 months
Has the be the longest dragged out process for a long time
Men turned them down and then went looking for others who obviously knew they were down the list and said no
The men who now want it seem to be the only candidates but the selection committee are scrambling about for the big name to save face

Still think it will be one from
Laverty
Deegans
Please God No to either of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 13, 2021, 12:49:33 PM
It seems  that Laverty will be announced after the club championship ends? It would be an exciting set up. Let him at it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 13, 2021, 01:12:39 PM
I can't see how Laverty could be appointed as long as he's still playing club football. I know he did this with the u-20s but it's not the same
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 13, 2021, 01:22:04 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on October 13, 2021, 01:12:39 PM
I can't see how Laverty could be appointed as long as he's still playing club football. I know he did this with the u-20s but it's not the same

I would imagine this will be his final season, the u20s were an exciting team who really gave the county a lift.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 13, 2021, 01:33:31 PM
I would hope Laverty and his management team would be kept with the U20s for another couple of years. They did so well this year it would only benefit the seniors further down the line. If Laverty gets the job it needs to be like McGeeney in Armagh. Given time to work with Players and get back to being a div 1 team.
Down need to be realistic. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 13, 2021, 07:08:44 PM
Honest question here and I don't know the answer. Do people really think Down have the players to get to division 1 and complete with the big boys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 13, 2021, 07:21:00 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 13, 2021, 07:08:44 PM
Honest question here and I don't know the answer. Do people really think Down have the players to get to division 1 and complete with the big boys.
No. Could be a top division 2 team and maybe dip our feet in div 1 the odd time. The new crop of u20 fills us with a bit of hope but it can be hard to integrate them into a senior set up without upsetting the balance of the squad plus you are only as strong as the new group of players coming behind you. Dublin especially benefitted from about 5 years of real strong u21 teams coming through the ranks and i can't see Down having that many strong squads come through in succession considering our last great u21 team was 2008-2009
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 13, 2021, 07:30:28 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 13, 2021, 07:21:00 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 13, 2021, 07:08:44 PM
Honest question here and I don't know the answer. Do people really think Down have the players to get to division 1 and complete with the big boys.
No. Could be a top division 2 team and maybe dip our feet in div 1 the odd time. The new crop of u20 fills us with a bit of hope but it can be hard to integrate them into a senior set up without upsetting the balance of the squad plus you are only as strong as the new group of players coming behind you. Dublin especially benefitted from about 5 years of real strong u21 teams coming through the ranks and i can't see Down having that many strong squads come through in succession considering our last great u21 team was 2008-2009
This is why I feel Laverty would be better staying with the U20s for another couple of years and then making the transition to senior with that group of players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 13, 2021, 08:38:44 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 13, 2021, 07:21:00 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 13, 2021, 07:08:44 PM
Honest question here and I don't know the answer. Do people really think Down have the players to get to division 1 and complete with the big boys.
No. Could be a top division 2 team and maybe dip our feet in div 1 the odd time. The new crop of u20 fills us with a bit of hope but it can be hard to integrate them into a senior set up without upsetting the balance of the squad plus you are only as strong as the new group of players coming behind you. Dublin especially benefitted from about 5 years of real strong u21 teams coming through the ranks and i can't see Down having that many strong squads come through in succession considering our last great u21 team was 2008-2009

The 08/09 team wouldn't lace the boots of the 05 U21s team..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 13, 2021, 09:26:54 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 13, 2021, 08:38:44 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 13, 2021, 07:21:00 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 13, 2021, 07:08:44 PM
Honest question here and I don't know the answer. Do people really think Down have the players to get to division 1 and complete with the big boys.
No. Could be a top division 2 team and maybe dip our feet in div 1 the odd time. The new crop of u20 fills us with a bit of hope but it can be hard to integrate them into a senior set up without upsetting the balance of the squad plus you are only as strong as the new group of players coming behind you. Dublin especially benefitted from about 5 years of real strong u21 teams coming through the ranks and i can't see Down having that many strong squads come through in succession considering our last great u21 team was 2008-2009

The 08/09 team wouldn't lace the boots of the 05 U21s team..

Yes that 05 team was excellent, though I don't think very many players from either side went on to have long or distinguished careers at senior level (if you believe that shows greater quality I don't know). Both very good sides, but both losing All Ireland finals through leaking goals. The late goal in 2009 was a brutal end to a great game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on October 13, 2021, 11:10:22 PM
From the 05 team, Colgan, Rogers, Laverty, Carr, Mark Poland, McGovern and Clarke all went on play senior championship football. The 09 team produced Turley, Hanna, Fitzpatrick, Murphy, Maginn, O'Reilly, Devlin, McComiskey and Conor Poland who did likewise. Those are excellent returns from underage squads, and both sides were full of quality.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on October 14, 2021, 12:39:38 AM
Coming into the business end of the year year , predictions are -
SFC - Burren
IFC - Darragh Cross
JFC - Aughlisnafin

Some games the last while and a few crackers to look forward to.Finally Kilcoo are going to be dethroned  and it won't be by Burren who will win Frank O'Hare , Ballyholland will beat an aging side.Ballyholland are probably the toughest team in this championship and will bully Kilcoo.But come final Burren class will see them over the line.
In IFC I'd love to see Drumgath do it aith a very shrewd combination of wee fry and Jackie Lynch but can't see past Darragh Cross .Drumgath beat a Leitrim team fancied by some but just not up to it and a very costly management set up I'm led to believe .Darragh Cross have the inspirational hero of the 90s DJ in charge and feel his know how and experience will guide them over the line.
Delighted to see DJ back patrolling the sideline and talk is after IFC and Ulster All Ireland  series over he may well be taking over Carryduff as he has been approached.
Now a lot of clubs looking new managements for 2022
Division 1 -
Rostrevor - Peter McGrath gone to be confirmed - presumed vacancy
Loughinisland - Jodi£ Gormley gone ,players not happy with his training and older player influence , Dan Gordon was real manager and Gormley front- vacancy
Bryansford - no vacancy rebuilding and club committee understanding of that
Ballyholland - obviously no vacancy
Kilcoo - Micky Moran retiring , vacancy but not an attractive one as team on way down. They are turning on themselves at the minute , difficulties off pitch re sponsorship from the community and more.
Carryduff - Cahal Murray and D Morgan gone ,there too long and no progress .DJ Kane being pursued to come in.Also talk was James McCartan as his cousin is the power broker there. Maybe a DJ James McCartan combo- vacancy.
Burren - obviosly no vacancy
Mayobridge - Lots of old guard not happy with McKeever and want Benny back but issue is £ as club will not pay club member to manage so it is over to Benny on this one .Plenty of ways to get round this I'd say so Benny return on cards is £ issue sorted - vacancy
Clonduff - obviously no vacancy.
Warrenpoint - Things not good at all here.An internal power struggle at play here ,lots querying influence of Rose of Tralee man. Management were very weak all year and older players calling the shots, young Poland just not up to it apparently as trainer and management like a cheap fizzy wine all bubble and no substance.- vacancy.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on October 14, 2021, 01:37:30 AM
Division 2 -
St Johns - Rebuilding with Gilmores McMullan but underperformed to be in  relegation position .Queries over fitness and general conditioning of players, not a happy club.Result v Shamrocks last straw- vacancy
Annaclone -as above but run in championship covering the cracks as in relegation position .Committee already have knife out. Won't beat Darragh Cross in semi final - vacancy.
Saul - Very poor season after maiden IFC win, an extremely costly £££ management team which has committee not happy. Won 2 League games all year and one point from relegation. Issues regards player commitment and management commitment too but not happy with management overall .Only for the real brains in this management team John Fegan they would have been gone in August .As a result looks like John Fegan to be appointed with Peter McGrath junior , a very good combo.
Bredagh - With the numbers this club has, the last 2 years have been very poor. Brendan Mason was on borrowed time from club committee and then with the players reaction to  his decision to bring Frank Dawson in hastened his exit. Very poor year finishing 2 points from relegation. Promotion was committee expectation. - vacancy. Talk was Danny Hughes has been lined up for Bredagh.
Darragh Cross -A  great year under DJ and getting better.If he goes to Carryduff , maybe Enda Gormley could step up . - vacancy but possible Enda Gormley appointment.
An Riocht -Mid Table but great championship run Bernie Ruane working his magic. All happy with him but might we see Bernie Ruana being tempted backed to Warrenpoint - no vacancy unless Bernie Ruane goes back to Warrenpoint.
Glenn - no vacancy but expectation is to push on 2022.Players love Brendan Grant and Bagnall.
Longstone - club in decline and players not happy with Benny after not securing promotion, not saved by his negative championship night ! - vacancy.
Castlewellan - promotion and unlucky in championship.Promotion was the goal and only acceptable outcome . They will struggle in Division 1 in 2022, hence Danny moving on. Smart move.But think Danny Hughes has worked his magic and now he moves on.
Downpatrick - Great year and whole club revitalised by a very innovative and strong committee , unlucky v The Yellas and promotion back to Division 1 - very happy with Micky Walshs know how - no vacancy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 14, 2021, 06:32:32 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on October 13, 2021, 11:10:22 PM
From the 05 team, Colgan, Rogers, Laverty, Carr, Mark Poland, McGovern and Clarke all went on play senior championship football. The 09 team produced Turley, Hanna, Fitzpatrick, Murphy, Maginn, O'Reilly, Devlin, McComiskey and Conor Poland who did likewise. Those are excellent returns from underage squads, and both sides were full of quality.

All good players no doubt. As for distinguished senior careers, you could remove a lot of those names. Not trying to discredit any if those men, more an observation on longevity and achievements with regards to their senior careers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 14, 2021, 06:36:03 AM
Quote from: yewtree on October 14, 2021, 01:37:30 AM
Division 2 -
St Johns - Rebuilding with Gilmores McMullan but underperformed to be in  relegation position .Queries over fitness and general conditioning of players, not a happy club.Result v Shamrocks last straw- vacancy
Annaclone -as above but run in championship covering the cracks as in relegation position .Committee already have knife out. Won't beat Darragh Cross in semi final - vacancy.
Saul - Very poor season after maiden IFC win, an extremely costly £££ management team which has committee not happy. Won 2 League games all year and one point from relegation. Issues regards player commitment and management commitment too but not happy with management overall .Only for the real brains in this management team John Fegan they would have been gone in August .As a result looks like John Fegan to be appointed with Peter McGrath junior , a very good combo.
Bredagh - With the numbers this club has, the last 2 years have been very poor. Brendan Mason was on borrowed time from club committee and then with the players reaction to  his decision to bring Frank Dawson in hastened his exit. Very poor year finishing 2 points from relegation. Promotion was committee expectation. - vacancy. Talk was Danny Hughes has been lined up for Bredagh.
Darragh Cross -A  great year under DJ and getting better.If he goes to Carryduff , maybe Enda Gormley could step up . - vacancy but possible Enda Gormley appointment.
An Riocht -Mid Table but great championship run Bernie Ruane working his magic. All happy with him but might we see Bernie Ruana being tempted backed to Warrenpoint - no vacancy unless Bernie Ruane goes back to Warrenpoint.
Glenn - no vacancy but expectation is to push on 2022.Players love Brendan Grant and Bagnall.
Longstone - club in decline and players not happy with Benny after not securing promotion, not saved by his negative championship night ! - vacancy.
Castlewellan - promotion and unlucky in championship.Promotion was the goal and only acceptable outcome . They will struggle in Division 1 in 2022, hence Danny moving on. Smart move.But think Danny Hughes has worked his magic and now he moves on.
Downpatrick - Great year and whole club revitalised by a very innovative and strong committee , unlucky v The Yellas and promotion back to Division 1 - very happy with Micky Walshs know how - no vacancy.

You certainly seem to have your ear to the ground. Not be long now until the merry go round kicks off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truebluewarriorinexile on October 14, 2021, 08:41:06 AM
I think Bundy Mason should be given a shout at management. Good loughinisland man and gets the boys onside. Young team once the old player/manger finally hang up boots.


Quote from: yewtree on October 14, 2021, 12:39:38 AM
Coming into the business end of the year year , predictions are -
SFC - Burren
IFC - Darragh Cross
JFC - Aughlisnafin

Some games the last while and a few crackers to look forward to.Finally Kilcoo are going to be dethroned  and it won't be by Burren who will win Frank O'Hare , Ballyholland will beat an aging side.Ballyholland are probably the toughest team in this championship and will bully Kilcoo.But come final Burren class will see them over the line.
In IFC I'd love to see Drumgath do it aith a very shrewd combination of wee fry and Jackie Lynch but can't see past Darragh Cross .Drumgath beat a Leitrim team fancied by some but just not up to it and a very costly management set up I'm led to believe .Darragh Cross have the inspirational hero of the 90s DJ in charge and feel his know how and experience will guide them over the line.
Delighted to see DJ back patrolling the sideline and talk is after IFC and Ulster All Ireland  series over he may well be taking over Carryduff as he has been approached.
Now a lot of clubs looking new managements for 2022
Division 1 -
Rostrevor - Peter McGrath gone to be confirmed - presumed vacancy
Loughinisland - Jodi£ Gormley gone ,players not happy with his training and older player influence , Dan Gordon was real manager and Gormley front-
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 14, 2021, 08:46:12 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 14, 2021, 06:36:03 AM
Quote from: yewtree on October 14, 2021, 01:37:30 AM
Division 2 -
St Johns - Rebuilding with Gilmores McMullan but underperformed to be in  relegation position .Queries over fitness and general conditioning of players, not a happy club.Result v Shamrocks last straw- vacancy
Annaclone -as above but run in championship covering the cracks as in relegation position .Committee already have knife out. Won't beat Darragh Cross in semi final - vacancy.
Saul - Very poor season after maiden IFC win, an extremely costly £££ management team which has committee not happy. Won 2 League games all year and one point from relegation. Issues regards player commitment and management commitment too but not happy with management overall .Only for the real brains in this management team John Fegan they would have been gone in August .As a result looks like John Fegan to be appointed with Peter McGrath junior , a very good combo.
Bredagh - With the numbers this club has, the last 2 years have been very poor. Brendan Mason was on borrowed time from club committee and then with the players reaction to  his decision to bring Frank Dawson in hastened his exit. Very poor year finishing 2 points from relegation. Promotion was committee expectation. - vacancy. Talk was Danny Hughes has been lined up for Bredagh.
Darragh Cross -A  great year under DJ and getting better.If he goes to Carryduff , maybe Enda Gormley could step up . - vacancy but possible Enda Gormley appointment.
An Riocht -Mid Table but great championship run Bernie Ruane working his magic. All happy with him but might we see Bernie Ruana being tempted backed to Warrenpoint - no vacancy unless Bernie Ruane goes back to Warrenpoint.
Glenn - no vacancy but expectation is to push on 2022.Players love Brendan Grant and Bagnall.
Longstone - club in decline and players not happy with Benny after not securing promotion, not saved by his negative championship night ! - vacancy.
Castlewellan - promotion and unlucky in championship.Promotion was the goal and only acceptable outcome . They will struggle in Division 1 in 2022, hence Danny moving on. Smart move.But think Danny Hughes has worked his magic and now he moves on.
Downpatrick - Great year and whole club revitalised by a very innovative and strong committee , unlucky v The Yellas and promotion back to Division 1 - very happy with Micky Walshs know how - no vacancy.

You certainly seem to have your ear to the ground. Not be long now until the merry go round kicks off.

LMFAO you believe that crap, unless spewtree has access to every committee minutes in the county that is the biggest pile of crap I have ever read since the scums newspaper coverage of the Hillsborough disaster!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 14, 2021, 08:55:53 AM
With all due respect for Bernie he will not be back with us
The semi final game against Kilcoo will tell a lot about a Ballyholland
Loughinisland agree they need a change as do Bredagh who should be doing a lot better
Don't think you are correct about the Glenn situation players want change
McKeever seems to be a favourite amongst the Mayobridge ones
Darragh Cross bottom of Division 2 this year Liatrom beat them
An Riocht brilliant intermediate run they have beaten 3 division 3 teams
Saul with Fegan to take over u did say he was the brains behind this squad so why so pooor?
Rostrevor do need a change they are very poor
Bryansford rebuilding? The men managing them have not improved them 1 bit


Why is anyone reading into what is possibly the weakest intermediate ever

Such a poor standard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 14, 2021, 09:29:31 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 14, 2021, 08:55:53 AM
With all due respect for Bernie he will not be back with us
The semi final game against Kilcoo will tell a lot about a Ballyholland
Loughinisland agree they need a change as do Bredagh who should be doing a lot better
Don't think you are correct about the Glenn situation players want change
McKeever seems to be a favourite amongst the Mayobridge ones
Darragh Cross bottom of Division 2 this year Liatrom beat them
An Riocht brilliant intermediate run they have beaten 3 division 3 teams
Saul with Fegan to take over u did say he was the brains behind this squad so why so pooor?
Rostrevor do need a change they are very poor
Bryansford rebuilding? The men managing them have not improved them 1 bit


Why is anyone reading into what is possibly the weakest intermediate ever

Such a poor standard

Intermediate is at a poor standard because the senior championship is as poor as it's been for a long time. No relegation for a couple of years has left teams in false positions too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 14, 2021, 09:32:47 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 14, 2021, 08:46:12 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 14, 2021, 06:36:03 AM
Quote from: yewtree on October 14, 2021, 01:37:30 AM
Division 2 -
St Johns - Rebuilding with Gilmores McMullan but underperformed to be in  relegation position .Queries over fitness and general conditioning of players, not a happy club.Result v Shamrocks last straw- vacancy
Annaclone -as above but run in championship covering the cracks as in relegation position .Committee already have knife out. Won't beat Darragh Cross in semi final - vacancy.
Saul - Very poor season after maiden IFC win, an extremely costly £££ management team which has committee not happy. Won 2 League games all year and one point from relegation. Issues regards player commitment and management commitment too but not happy with management overall .Only for the real brains in this management team John Fegan they would have been gone in August .As a result looks like John Fegan to be appointed with Peter McGrath junior , a very good combo.
Bredagh - With the numbers this club has, the last 2 years have been very poor. Brendan Mason was on borrowed time from club committee and then with the players reaction to  his decision to bring Frank Dawson in hastened his exit. Very poor year finishing 2 points from relegation. Promotion was committee expectation. - vacancy. Talk was Danny Hughes has been lined up for Bredagh.
Darragh Cross -A  great year under DJ and getting better.If he goes to Carryduff , maybe Enda Gormley could step up . - vacancy but possible Enda Gormley appointment.
An Riocht -Mid Table but great championship run Bernie Ruane working his magic. All happy with him but might we see Bernie Ruana being tempted backed to Warrenpoint - no vacancy unless Bernie Ruane goes back to Warrenpoint.
Glenn - no vacancy but expectation is to push on 2022.Players love Brendan Grant and Bagnall.
Longstone - club in decline and players not happy with Benny after not securing promotion, not saved by his negative championship night ! - vacancy.
Castlewellan - promotion and unlucky in championship.Promotion was the goal and only acceptable outcome . They will struggle in Division 1 in 2022, hence Danny moving on. Smart move.But think Danny Hughes has worked his magic and now he moves on.
Downpatrick - Great year and whole club revitalised by a very innovative and strong committee , unlucky v The Yellas and promotion back to Division 1 - very happy with Micky Walshs know how - no vacancy.

You certainly seem to have your ear to the ground. Not be long now until the merry go round kicks off.

LMFAO you believe that crap, unless spewtree has access to every committee minutes in the county that is the biggest pile of crap I have ever read since the scums newspaper coverage of the Hillsborough disaster!

There was a hint of sarcasm in my response.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 14, 2021, 03:38:33 PM
Quote from: Truebluewarriorinexile on October 14, 2021, 08:41:06 AM
I think Bundy Mason should be given a shout at management. Good loughinisland man and gets the boys onside. Young team once the old player/manger finally hang up boots.


Quote from: yewtree on October 14, 2021, 12:39:38 AM
Coming into the business end of the year year , predictions are -
SFC - Burren
IFC - Darragh Cross
JFC - Aughlisnafin

Some games the last while and a few crackers to look forward to.Finally Kilcoo are going to be dethroned  and it won't be by Burren who will win Frank O'Hare , Ballyholland will beat an aging side.Ballyholland are probably the toughest team in this championship and will bully Kilcoo.But come final Burren class will see them over the line.
In IFC I'd love to see Drumgath do it aith a very shrewd combination of wee fry and Jackie Lynch but can't see past Darragh Cross .Drumgath beat a Leitrim team fancied by some but just not up to it and a very costly management set up I'm led to believe .Darragh Cross have the inspirational hero of the 90s DJ in charge and feel his know how and experience will guide them over the line.
Delighted to see DJ back patrolling the sideline and talk is after IFC and Ulster All Ireland  series over he may well be taking over Carryduff as he has been approached.
Now a lot of clubs looking new managements for 2022
Division 1 -
Rostrevor - Peter McGrath gone to be confirmed - presumed vacancy
Loughinisland - Jodi£ Gormley gone ,players not happy with his training and older player influence , Dan Gordon was real manager and Gormley front-

Was going to let it go by but what utter shite about Loughinislnd, Jody was the manager full stop in trainings and team talks, thought spewtree had forgot his password because it's been ages since he's be on talking shit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truebluewarriorinexile on October 14, 2021, 04:11:43 PM
Hmmm not sure the language is needed. Seemed to be he was putting players into exile in a small club. Apparently he was the acting chairman and Dan and Co't were telling him what to do. Not my words, but no someone in the club (cannot name names).Think the club needs a reset and bundy back in hopefully.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 14, 2021, 06:27:30 PM
Quote from: Truebluewarriorinexile on October 14, 2021, 04:11:43 PM
Hmmm not sure the language is needed. Seemed to be he was putting players into exile in a small club. Apparently he was the acting chairman and Dan and Co't were telling him what to do. Not my words, but no someone in the club (cannot name names).Think the club needs a reset and bundy back in hopefully.

Your username and your comment could lead people to think that you might be one of these 'exiled' players.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 14, 2021, 06:33:04 PM
Some dung talked today about the state of Down football and imminent changes to be made in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on October 14, 2021, 06:49:16 PM
Quote from: yewtree on October 14, 2021, 12:39:38 AM
Coming into the business end of the year year , predictions are -
SFC - Burren
IFC - Darragh Cross
JFC - Aughlisnafin

Some games the last while and a few crackers to look forward to.Finally Kilcoo are going to be dethroned  and it won't be by Burren who will win Frank O'Hare , Ballyholland will beat an aging side.Ballyholland are probably the toughest team in this championship and will bully Kilcoo.But come final Burren class will see them over the line.
In IFC I'd love to see Drumgath do it aith a very shrewd combination of wee fry and Jackie Lynch but can't see past Darragh Cross .Drumgath beat a Leitrim team fancied by some but just not up to it and a very costly management set up I'm led to believe .Darragh Cross have the inspirational hero of the 90s DJ in charge and feel his know how and experience will guide them over the line.
Delighted to see DJ back patrolling the sideline and talk is after IFC and Ulster All Ireland  series over he may well be taking over Carryduff as he has been approached.
Now a lot of clubs looking new managements for 2022
Division 1 -
Rostrevor - Peter McGrath gone to be confirmed - presumed vacancy
Loughinisland - Jodi£ Gormley gone ,players not happy with his training and older player influence , Dan Gordon was real manager and Gormley front- vacancy
Bryansford - no vacancy rebuilding and club committee understanding of that
Ballyholland - obviously no vacancy
Kilcoo - Micky Moran retiring , vacancy but not an attractive one as team on way down. They are turning on themselves at the minute , difficulties off pitch re sponsorship from the community and more.
Carryduff - Cahal Murray and D Morgan gone ,there too long and no progress .DJ Kane being pursued to come in.Also talk was James McCartan as his cousin is the power broker there. Maybe a DJ James McCartan combo- vacancy.
Burren - obviosly no vacancy
Mayobridge - Lots of old guard not happy with McKeever and want Benny back but issue is £ as club will not pay club member to manage so it is over to Benny on this one .Plenty of ways to get round this I'd say so Benny return on cards is £ issue sorted - vacancy
Clonduff - obviously no vacancy.
Warrenpoint - Things not good at all here.An internal power struggle at play here ,lots querying influence of Rose of Tralee man. Management were very weak all year and older players calling the shots, young Poland just not up to it apparently as trainer and management like a cheap fizzy wine all bubble and no substance.- vacancy.
DJ Kane has not been approached by Carryduff,  I would doubt he will be.
Wee James would be excellent for us as would a few others.
However to say DJ Morgan had no progress with us is mad,  5 years he won 3 u21 titles,  a div2 title,  a senior county final appearance and this year to take Kilcoo to a point after extra time is something we could have only dreamed about before him and Paddy Doc arrived.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 14, 2021, 08:21:17 PM
Now that we are entering the business end of the championship season who would we say has been the player of the tournament so far. From Clonduff you'd have the likes of Darren O'Hagan and big Arthur playing very well. Kilcoo's best player seems to be the very underated Micheal Rooney and Eugene Brannigan not far behind. Ballyhollands standouts seem to be Walsh, Joe Murphy, Rushe and Loughran. And with Burren, Liam Kerr has been in exceptional form, backed up by Danny Magill and Ordhran Murdock. For me its between O'Hagan, Kerr and Micheal Rooney for the best player this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 14, 2021, 09:01:31 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 14, 2021, 06:27:30 PM
Quote from: Truebluewarriorinexile on October 14, 2021, 04:11:43 PM
Hmmm not sure the language is needed. Seemed to be he was putting players into exile in a small club. Apparently he was the acting chairman and Dan and Co't were telling him what to do. Not my words, but no someone in the club (cannot name names).Think the club needs a reset and bundy back in hopefully.

Your username and your comment could lead people to think that you might be one of these 'exiled' players.....


Strange altogether that username, but as one of the 'non exiled' players on the panel, panel was open to everyone with some ones coming and going through different things.. The only complaint players had was to use the bench more. That acting chairman stuff is nonsense trueblue
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 14, 2021, 10:13:12 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 14, 2021, 08:55:53 AM
With all due respect for Bernie he will not be back with us
The semi final game against Kilcoo will tell a lot about a Ballyholland
Loughinisland agree they need a change as do Bredagh who should be doing a lot better
Don't think you are correct about the Glenn situation players want change
McKeever seems to be a favourite amongst the Mayobridge ones
Darragh Cross bottom of Division 2 this year Liatrom beat them
An Riocht brilliant intermediate run they have beaten 3 division 3 teams
Saul with Fegan to take over u did say he was the brains behind this squad so why so pooor?
Rostrevor do need a change they are very poor
Bryansford rebuilding? The men managing them have not improved them 1 bit


Why is anyone reading into what is possibly the weakest intermediate ever

Such a poor standard

Finished 6th
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 15, 2021, 09:02:56 AM
Conor Laverty was confirmed as u20 manager for next season at a meeting last night, must mean Deegan has the top job, good luck Conor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 15, 2021, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 15, 2021, 09:02:56 AM
Conor Laverty was confirmed as u20 manager for next season at a meeting last night, must mean Deegan has the top job, good luck Conor
Good to hear. For the dev on the U20 side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 15, 2021, 12:38:15 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 15, 2021, 11:55:24 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 15, 2021, 09:02:56 AM
Conor Laverty was confirmed as u20 manager for next season at a meeting last night, must mean Deegan has the top job, good luck Conor
Really?Don't quite get your logic with this assumption.

Ok so its Jim Gavin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 15, 2021, 03:36:50 PM
Different Jim.

The silver haired fox from the north west.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on October 15, 2021, 11:57:17 PM
OMG what vitrol.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 18, 2021, 08:25:03 AM
Rostrevor go down into the lower championship
A bad bad year for them and Bryansford
A good job that there was no relegation or both those teams would be playing in division 2
It's not to often you get to put the rights wrong without to much of an impact
Surely both clubs will look elsewhere next year for new management teams
Sad to hear all the reports coming out of Rostrevor
A great club in disarray

On the Down job
It's clear that it's not Conor Deegan
The new manager is still involved in the club championship
And until he exits the championship it will not be revealed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 18, 2021, 10:15:43 AM
Heard reports that one of our greatest players could be in the mix, Deegans said no
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 18, 2021, 10:27:53 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 18, 2021, 08:25:03 AM
Rostrevor go down into the lower championship
A bad bad year for them and Bryansford
A good job that there was no relegation or both those teams would be playing in division 2
It's not to often you get to put the rights wrong without to much of an impact
Surely both clubs will look elsewhere next year for new management teams
Sad to hear all the reports coming out of Rostrevor
A great club in disarray

On the Down job
It's clear that it's not Conor Deegan
The new manager is still involved in the club championship
And until he exits the championship it will not be revealed

Rostrevor will be ok? Come to a really small club to see what its like, division 1 playing intermediate next year,they will be grand
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on October 18, 2021, 11:57:45 AM
What is the rule now in terms of teams getting back up to senior. Will it revert back to league positions or is it now that you have to win intermediate to get back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 18, 2021, 02:48:21 PM
Rostrevor will be kicking themselves today...they had the game well within their control 2mins before the second water break. The Ford kicked two frees to get back to 3pts going in to the last 15mins and Rostrevor froze. Yesterday has zero to do with management or coaching, they are lacking in leaders on the pitch and when big Parr stops playing, they're in serious trouble.

Big miss not having arguably the best keeper in the county not available and that comes down to a difference of opinion between management and him but the kickouts were a mess for the Reds yesterday. Fair play to Bryansford who kept at their task and didn't panic. Big no.9 for them looks a player, O'Higgins I think.

It always amazes me how some people have the nerve to slabber to the sidelines with more than 20mins to go, then crawl under their rock when the tide turns. Easy to be a mouthpiece when you're winning. Heard a Reds 'waterboy' give the big 'un' to a Group of Ford supporters behind the wire slagging them off for having 12 at training during the week...then last 5mins he slowly slid back off to the Rostrevor side for the last few mins...classic

Rebuild job but no doubt Rostrevor will waltz the IFC next year and give Ulster a decent rattle. Who will be taking them is another conversation entirely...I think they have a decent chance of staying in Div1 if they can get some players back committing. They're on a level with Loughinisland, Bryansford, Castlewellan and they just ahve to finish above two of those I think.

Also W'Point are on the way down it seems, Carryduff are anyones guess and I think RGU are the same...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on October 18, 2021, 03:06:35 PM
Quote from: upandwin on October 18, 2021, 02:48:21 PM
Rostrevor will be kicking themselves today...they had the game well within their control 2mins before the second water break. The Ford kicked two frees to get back to 3pts going in to the last 15mins and Rostrevor froze. Yesterday has zero to do with management or coaching, they are lacking in leaders on the pitch and when big Parr stops playing, they're in serious trouble.

Big miss not having arguably the best keeper in the county not available and that comes down to a difference of opinion between management and him but the kickouts were a mess for the Reds yesterday. Fair play to Bryansford who kept at their task and didn't panic. Big no.9 for them looks a player, O'Higgins I think.

It always amazes me how some people have the nerve to slabber to the sidelines with more than 20mins to go, then crawl under their rock when the tide turns. Easy to be a mouthpiece when you're winning. Heard a Reds 'waterboy' give the big 'un' to a Group of Ford supporters behind the wire slagging them off for having 12 at training during the week...then last 5mins he slowly slid back off to the Rostrevor side for the last few mins...classic

Rebuild job but no doubt Rostrevor will waltz the IFC next year and give Ulster a decent rattle. Who will be taking them is another conversation entirely...I think they have a decent chance of staying in Div1 if they can get some players back committing. They're on a level with Loughinisland, Bryansford, Castlewellan and they just ahve to finish above two of those I think.

Also W'Point are on the way down it seems, Carryduff are anyones guess and I think RGU are the same...

Isn't it four down next season? Just one of those rumours I'd heard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 18, 2021, 03:14:54 PM
It will be 3 down and 3 the year after, clubs won't agree to 4 down.
NMCA or John Fegan to take over the mantle in Rostrevor.
Bundy coming home to the blues.
Wee James To Carryduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 18, 2021, 03:56:50 PM
Already done as 4 down next season.. Was the agreement for no relegation this year. League is going to be interesting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 18, 2021, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 18, 2021, 03:56:50 PM
Already done as 4 down next season.. Was the agreement for no relegation this year. League is going to be interesting


Was not agreed on , fake news
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 18, 2021, 05:16:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 18, 2021, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 18, 2021, 03:56:50 PM
Already done as 4 down next season.. Was the agreement for no relegation this year. League is going to be interesting


Was not agreed on , fake news

Dead on then Trump.. We will see next year 👌🏻 They restructured the divisions so 10 in each a couple of years ago.. They aren't going back to 12 a league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2021, 08:53:03 AM
A good few openings for next season from what I hear
Clubs need to be on the ball pretty soon

Bryansford decision imminent
Rostrevor
Loughinisland
Saul
Longstone
Castlewellan
CPN decision imminent meeting tonight
Newry Shamrocks
Newry Bosco
Carryduff
Bredagh decision imminent
Glenn decision imminent


A busy few weeks for clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 19, 2021, 09:06:44 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 18, 2021, 05:16:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 18, 2021, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 18, 2021, 03:56:50 PM
Already done as 4 down next season.. Was the agreement for no relegation this year. League is going to be interesting


Was not agreed on , fake news

Dead on then Trump.. We will see next year 👌🏻 They restructured the divisions so 10 in each a couple of years ago.. They aren't going back to 12 a league

It was not finalized, it was agreed that the board would look at it later, they could get to 10 teams in two years,
go 11 teams in 2023
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 19, 2021, 09:16:12 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2021, 08:53:03 AM
A good few openings for next season from what I hear
Clubs need to be on the ball pretty soon

Bryansford decision imminent
Rostrevor
Loughinisland
Saul
Longstone
Castlewellan
CPN decision imminent meeting tonight
Newry Shamrocks
Newry Bosco
Carryduff
Bredagh decision imminent
Glenn decision imminent


A busy few weeks for clubs

Decision imminent LOL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 19, 2021, 05:02:21 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2021, 08:53:03 AM
A good few openings for next season from what I hear
Clubs need to be on the ball pretty soon

Bryansford decision imminent
Rostrevor
Loughinisland
Saul
Longstone
Castlewellan
CPN decision imminent meeting tonight
Newry Shamrocks
Newry Bosco
Carryduff
Bredagh decision imminent
Glenn decision imminent


A busy few weeks for clubs

Your a head case...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 19, 2021, 07:55:24 PM
It's brought a bit of lightheartedness to this group😂

On a serious football note, games should be fairly exciting at the weekend. Are they being streamed, are they all a fiver still?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 19, 2021, 11:32:34 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2021, 08:53:03 AM
A good few openings for next season from what I hear
Clubs need to be on the ball pretty soon

Bryansford decision imminent
Rostrevor
Loughinisland
Saul
Longstone
Castlewellan
CPN decision imminent meeting tonight
Newry Shamrocks
Newry Bosco
Carryduff
Bredagh decision imminent
Glenn decision imminent


A busy few weeks for clubs

I really hope Hollo gets the road tbh.. brought us silverware yes - but his approach is all wrong.. we have players another year older now and still no championship.. Should've got McCorry before them Uns up the road did...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 20, 2021, 12:13:56 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 19, 2021, 07:55:24 PM
It's brought a bit of lightheartedness to this group😂

On a serious football note, games should be fairly exciting at the weekend. Are they being streamed, are they all a fiver still?
Only 2 senior games are live. Other 4 games are deferred coverage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 20, 2021, 08:24:11 AM
From reports the CPN lads believe the management need help so it may be interesting to see who they get in.
All the teams making decisions need to make it quick
Most clubs normally start Gym work in December

This weekend I'll go with
Kilcoo
Burren
An Riocht
Darragh Cross
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 20, 2021, 09:08:16 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 19, 2021, 11:32:34 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2021, 08:53:03 AM
A good few openings for next season from what I hear
Clubs need to be on the ball pretty soon

Bryansford decision imminent
Rostrevor
Loughinisland
Saul
Longstone
Castlewellan
CPN decision imminent meeting tonight
Newry Shamrocks
Newry Bosco
Carryduff
Bredagh decision imminent
Glenn decision imminent


A busy few weeks for clubs

I really hope Hollo gets the road tbh.. brought us silverware yes - but his approach is all wrong.. we have players another year older now and still no championship.. Should've got McCorry before them Uns up the road did...

I am hearing reports than Poacher will be heading to Rostrevor next season, interesting appointment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 20, 2021, 12:17:26 PM
Will Rostrevor be happy with that?
I heard he is going to Castlewellan?
The National league due to start in 3 months and Down don't even have a manager
By the time they appoint and get things up and running Down will have approx 2 months to prepare for the league
Other teams are already back and we can't even appoint
I'm hearing a few Tyrone men been approached
Peter Canavan with Gavin Devlin as coach
Decision likely by the end of the week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on October 20, 2021, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 20, 2021, 09:08:16 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 19, 2021, 11:32:34 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 19, 2021, 08:53:03 AM
A good few openings for next season from what I hear
Clubs need to be on the ball pretty soon

Bryansford decision imminent
Rostrevor
Loughinisland
Saul
Longstone
Castlewellan
CPN decision imminent meeting tonight
Newry Shamrocks
Newry Bosco
Carryduff
Bredagh decision imminent
Glenn decision imminent


A busy few weeks for clubs

I really hope Hollo gets the road tbh.. brought us silverware yes - but his approach is all wrong.. we have players another year older now and still no championship.. Should've got McCorry before them Uns up the road did...

I am hearing reports than Poacher will be heading to Rostrevor next season, interesting appointment

Hopefully that's the closest he gets to the red and black !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 20, 2021, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 20, 2021, 12:17:26 PM
Will Rostrevor be happy with that?
I heard he is going to Castlewellan?
The National league due to start in 3 months and Down don't even have a manager
By the time they appoint and get things up and running Down will have approx 2 months to prepare for the league
Other teams are already back and we can't even appoint
I'm hearing a few Tyrone men been approached
Peter Canavan with Gavin Devlin as coach
Decision likely by the end of the week

Rostrevor will be more appealing as they should win the intermediate. Both teams will struggle in division one next year. There is a reason Danny jumped ship after taking them up. Niall and Barney back to the Town perhaps.
John McEntee has stepped down as manager of Clontibret, could that be a sign?
Really looking forward to this weekend's games, Kilcoo should be too strong for Ballyholland while Burren and Clonduff will be tight, whoever wins should set an interesting East v South Down final.

I expect Darragh V Kingdom final and Darragh with the big money spent are hoping for glory in their historic year. It will further improve Gaelic games in the Sainfield/Crossgar area
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 11:43:58 AM
There an interesting podcast in the Gaelic life this week. They talk about the game being stronger if it had fewer clubs? What's your thoughts on this? personally, there are too many clubs in Down and there should be a few amalgamations!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 21, 2021, 12:47:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 11:43:58 AM
There an interesting podcast in the Gaelic life this week. They talk about the game being stronger if it had fewer clubs? What's your thoughts on this? personally, there are too many clubs in Down and there should be a few amalgamations!
Possibly correct but would love to hear your suggestions
as to where to start?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 12:55:30 PM
Bosco/Mitchells

Glasdrumman/Longstone possibly Ballymartin

Ballykinlar/Dundrum
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 21, 2021, 01:00:53 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 12:55:30 PM
Bosco/Mitchells

Glasdrumman/Longstone possibly Ballymartin

Ballykinlar/Dundrum

Balkykinlar players wouldn't go to Dundrum when they folded.. Finn, St Johns and Ardglass got the players from there.

Glassdrumman would be a good shout, club that's struggling recently and amalgamation would be best for them to keep some part of history. Same goes with Mitchells/Bosco suggestion

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 01:33:21 PM
also the county board need to be stricter on clubs poaching players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 21, 2021, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 12:55:30 PM
Bosco/Mitchells

Glasdrumman/Longstone possibly Ballymartin

Ballykinlar/Dundrum
Aghaderg and St Michaels
Kiclief and Ardglass
Saul and Bright
St Johns and the the Finn
Darragh Cross and Drumaness
Saval and Glenn
East Belfast and St Pauls
Tullylish and Clann Na Banna
Annaclone and Drumgath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 21, 2021, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 12:55:30 PM
Bosco/Mitchells

Glasdrumman/Longstone possibly Ballymartin

Ballykinlar/Dundrum
Aghaderg and St Michaels
Kiclief and Ardglass
Saul and Bright
St Johns and the the Finn
Darragh Cross and Drumaness
Saval and Glenn
East Belfast and St Pauls
Tullylish and Clann Na Banna
Annaclone and Drumgath

Some of them are ludicrous Wobb, East Belfast and St Pauls are two of the biggest clubs in the county in terms of membership. Darragh and Drumaness don't need to amalgamate but it's certainly an area that needs tapped into.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 21, 2021, 02:44:18 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 21, 2021, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 12:55:30 PM
Bosco/Mitchells

Glasdrumman/Longstone possibly Ballymartin

Ballykinlar/Dundrum
Aghaderg and St Michaels
Kiclief and Ardglass
Saul and Bright
St Johns and the the Finn
Darragh Cross and Drumaness
Saval and Glenn
East Belfast and St Pauls
Tullylish and Clann Na Banna
Annaclone and Drumgath

Having a GAA club is about more than just if you can play senior football. My wife's grandfather played for Clann Na Banna in the 50s. They couldn't get a pitch in Banbridge and had to play in Ballyvarley. They had to fight their way through organised unionist blockades on the Scarva Rd just to play. Why would they give up what they've built, as limited as it may seem to some of the bigger clubs, if they have the numbers to keep going. Not every club can be a division 1 club.

You could say that some of those clubs should have an arrangement at underage so lads are playing at a better level but most of the clubs mentioned there are happy enough with where they are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on October 21, 2021, 02:44:18 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 21, 2021, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 12:55:30 PM
Bosco/Mitchells

Glasdrumman/Longstone possibly Ballymartin

Ballykinlar/Dundrum
Aghaderg and St Michaels
Kiclief and Ardglass
Saul and Bright
St Johns and the the Finn
Darragh Cross and Drumaness
Saval and Glenn
East Belfast and St Pauls
Tullylish and Clann Na Banna
Annaclone and Drumgath

Having a GAA club is about more than just if you can play senior football. My wife's grandfather played for Clann Na Banna in the 50s. They couldn't get a pitch in Banbridge and had to play in Ballyvarley. They have to fight their way through organised unionist blockades on the Scarva Rd just to play. Why would they give up what they've built, as limited as it may seem to some of the bigger clubs, if they have the numbers to keep going. Not every club can be a division 1 club.

You could say that some of those clubs should have an arrangement at underage so lads are playing at a better level but most of the clubs mentioned there are happy enough with where they are.

I would not want to see amalgamations for the sake of it but only when it's needed. There is more chance of Crusaders and Cliftonville amalgamating as North Belfast soccer team than Glenn and Saval .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 21, 2021, 04:12:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on October 21, 2021, 02:44:18 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 21, 2021, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 12:55:30 PM
Bosco/Mitchells

Glasdrumman/Longstone possibly Ballymartin

Ballykinlar/Dundrum
Aghaderg and St Michaels
Kiclief and Ardglass
Saul and Bright
St Johns and the the Finn
Darragh Cross and Drumaness
Saval and Glenn
East Belfast and St Pauls
Tullylish and Clann Na Banna
Annaclone and Drumgath

Having a GAA club is about more than just if you can play senior football. My wife's grandfather played for Clann Na Banna in the 50s. They couldn't get a pitch in Banbridge and had to play in Ballyvarley. They have to fight their way through organised unionist blockades on the Scarva Rd just to play. Why would they give up what they've built, as limited as it may seem to some of the bigger clubs, if they have the numbers to keep going. Not every club can be a division 1 club.

You could say that some of those clubs should have an arrangement at underage so lads are playing at a better level but most of the clubs mentioned there are happy enough with where they are.

I would not want to see amalgamations for the sake of it but only when it's needed. There is more chance of Crusaders and Cliftonville amalgamating as North Belfast soccer team than Glenn and Saval .

There's some clubs you mentioned are in trouble in the long run and they'll have to do something new in the near future. The only full amalgamation in recent history, even that's 40 years ago, I can think of is An Riocht - I have no idea how the agreement was made though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 21, 2021, 06:03:27 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 21, 2021, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 12:55:30 PM
Bosco/Mitchells

Glasdrumman/Longstone possibly Ballymartin

Ballykinlar/Dundrum
Aghaderg and St Michaels
Kiclief and Ardglass
Saul and Bright
St Johns and the the Finn
Darragh Cross and Drumaness
Saval and Glenn
East Belfast and St Pauls
Tullylish and Clann Na Banna
Annaclone and Drumgath

Some of these are ridiculous. Some of these "smaller" clubs have done great work in recent years that's now led to success at various levels.

Shows a real South Down 'Big Club' arrogant attitude.

Saul - recent IFC winners and now playing SFC
Bright - recent JFC and Div 4 winners with underage success, trying to build something. Facilities are superb.
Finn - Now in Div 3 after some hard years and likely to win the JFC, good underage structure there now and player retention has been good.
Darragh - IFC possibility this year
St Pauls - Huge effort in recent years to turn a struggling senior team in to a solid young team, with players now coming through from underage. Recent JFC winners.
East Belfast - Brand new club with huge numbers, haven't even begun to establish themselves yet they should not exist?

Never mind the rest.

Not to mention some of the great facilities some of these clubs have worked hard for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 21, 2021, 06:14:02 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 21, 2021, 06:03:27 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 21, 2021, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 12:55:30 PM
Bosco/Mitchells

Glasdrumman/Longstone possibly Ballymartin

Ballykinlar/Dundrum
Aghaderg and St Michaels
Kiclief and Ardglass
Saul and Bright
St Johns and the the Finn
Darragh Cross and Drumaness
Saval and Glenn
East Belfast and St Pauls
Tullylish and Clann Na Banna
Annaclone and Drumgath

Some of these are ridiculous. Some of these "smaller" clubs have done great work in recent years that's now led to success at various levels.

Shows a real South Down 'Big Club' arrogant attitude.

Saul - recent IFC winners and now playing SFC
Bright - recent JFC and Div 4 winners with underage success, trying to build something. Facilities are superb.
Finn - Now in Div 3 after some hard years and likely to win the JFC, good underage structure there now and player retention has been good.
Darragh - IFC possibility this year
St Pauls - Huge effort in recent years to turn a struggling senior team in to a solid young team, with players now coming through from underage. Recent JFC winners.
East Belfast - Brand new club with huge numbers, haven't even begun to establish themselves yet they should not exist?

Never mind the rest.

Not to mention some of the great facilities some of these clubs have worked hard for.
Just my opinion and will not happen in the next five years but sometime down the line just as the debt is paid off(maybe not even)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 22, 2021, 09:30:10 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on October 21, 2021, 04:12:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on October 21, 2021, 02:44:18 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 21, 2021, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 12:55:30 PM
Bosco/Mitchells

Glasdrumman/Longstone possibly Ballymartin

Ballykinlar/Dundrum
Aghaderg and St Michaels
Kiclief and Ardglass
Saul and Bright
St Johns and the the Finn
Darragh Cross and Drumaness
Saval and Glenn
East Belfast and St Pauls
Tullylish and Clann Na Banna
Annaclone and Drumgath

Having a GAA club is about more than just if you can play senior football. My wife's grandfather played for Clann Na Banna in the 50s. They couldn't get a pitch in Banbridge and had to play in Ballyvarley. They have to fight their way through organised unionist blockades on the Scarva Rd just to play. Why would they give up what they've built, as limited as it may seem to some of the bigger clubs, if they have the numbers to keep going. Not every club can be a division 1 club.

You could say that some of those clubs should have an arrangement at underage so lads are playing at a better level but most of the clubs mentioned there are happy enough with where they are.

I would not want to see amalgamations for the sake of it but only when it's needed. There is more chance of Crusaders and Cliftonville amalgamating as North Belfast soccer team than Glenn and Saval .

There's some clubs you mentioned are in trouble in the long run and they'll have to do something new in the near future. The only full amalgamation in recent history, even that's 40 years ago, I can think of is An Riocht - I have no idea how the agreement was made though.

Are Annaclone and Clonduff not amalgamations? Though men from Mageral and Cabra will always tell you where they are from?

Does anyone know what way the county board is voting at congress? What did the clubs agree upon? Option B I hope!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 22, 2021, 12:17:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 22, 2021, 09:30:10 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on October 21, 2021, 04:12:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on October 21, 2021, 02:44:18 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 21, 2021, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2021, 12:55:30 PM
Bosco/Mitchells

Glasdrumman/Longstone possibly Ballymartin

Ballykinlar/Dundrum
Aghaderg and St Michaels
Kiclief and Ardglass
Saul and Bright
St Johns and the the Finn
Darragh Cross and Drumaness
Saval and Glenn
East Belfast and St Pauls
Tullylish and Clann Na Banna
Annaclone and Drumgath

Having a GAA club is about more than just if you can play senior football. My wife's grandfather played for Clann Na Banna in the 50s. They couldn't get a pitch in Banbridge and had to play in Ballyvarley. They have to fight their way through organised unionist blockades on the Scarva Rd just to play. Why would they give up what they've built, as limited as it may seem to some of the bigger clubs, if they have the numbers to keep going. Not every club can be a division 1 club.

You could say that some of those clubs should have an arrangement at underage so lads are playing at a better level but most of the clubs mentioned there are happy enough with where they are.

I would not want to see amalgamations for the sake of it but only when it's needed. There is more chance of Crusaders and Cliftonville amalgamating as North Belfast soccer team than Glenn and Saval .

There's some clubs you mentioned are in trouble in the long run and they'll have to do something new in the near future. The only full amalgamation in recent history, even that's 40 years ago, I can think of is An Riocht - I have no idea how the agreement was made though.

Are Annaclone and Clonduff not amalgamations? Though men from Mageral and Cabra will always tell you where they are from?

Does anyone know what way the county board is voting at congress? What did the clubs agree upon? Option B I hope!
I was going to mention Annaclone & Magheral but I didn't think many would know much about Magheral. Annaclone have been a club since 1896, Magheral started at the end of the 40s and closed up at the end of the 50s and most of those players left came back to Annaclone.

I can't see an amalgamation with us and Drumgath getting much support or any need for it, hopefully, but we have had some good arrangements at underage over the last 30 years.

Off The Ball have been reporting Down as supporting Option B - heard it got full support from clubs at the last meeting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 22, 2021, 05:02:14 PM
Tullylish (Gilford & Laurencetown) 60s
St Pauls (Holywood & Bangor) 70s
St Johns (Drumnaquoile & Drumaroad) 70s
St Michaels (Kilwarlin & Magheralin) 60s

are all amalgamations AFAIK. Also BAK I'm not sure the disbandment of Magheral was entirely voluntary
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stillsenior on October 22, 2021, 11:15:34 PM
I'm a Down man living in Tyrone. Hearing tonight from a very reliable source that Peter Canavan is the new Down senior manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Silver hill on October 22, 2021, 11:46:50 PM
Thought it was someone who was still managing a Club team...that's why it couldn't be announced?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 23, 2021, 03:07:25 PM
Quote from: stillsenior on October 22, 2021, 11:15:34 PM
I'm a Down man living in Tyrone. Hearing tonight from a very reliable source that Peter Canavan is the new Down senior manager
A big name but what has he accomplished as a manager. Has he managed club or anyone else bar his time in Fermanagh. ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 23, 2021, 06:52:30 PM
Canavan is probably the best footballer I have seen, exceptional. Almost won an all-ireland single handedly in 1995.

His managerial record to date is underwhelming, id imagine his expenses are on the high side, overall id be slightly despondant about his appointment.

Some lads like Davy Fitz can come in and give a struggling county a lift, to me Canavan is Tyrone through and through, im not sure he would have the same passion and relentless drive, that he would have if involved with Tyrone or Errigal Ciaran.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 23, 2021, 10:36:31 PM
Surely this Canavan story is fake news??? Let's be 100% honest - what would attract a man like god to our county - we will struggle in division 2 and won't win ulster nor the all Ireland in the next decade.. anyone getting a pot of money could come in and take it - but anyone genuine who thinks they will better their cv - they won't be taking our county....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 23, 2021, 10:49:55 PM
Conleth Gilligan going to be new Down boss apparently
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on October 24, 2021, 01:09:22 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 23, 2021, 10:49:55 PM
Conleth Gilligan going to be new Down boss apparently

Would be a great appointment imo.... Said this from the outset. Only potential issue is if he goes with Kilcoo's blessing or not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the goal was on on October 24, 2021, 03:04:42 PM
Gilligan not even manager of a club team but is good enough for down management post?? Big difference
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 24, 2021, 03:27:51 PM
What would happen if Kilcoo qualified for the ulster club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The_big_bad_wolf on October 24, 2021, 05:43:44 PM
For clubs to train from early new year with the aim to win a county championship, to then be presented with Brian Higgins as referee along with his six officials in a semi final at Newry this afternoon is a disgrace.  This was a diabolical decision by the county board or who ever is responsible for appointing him! 

No disrespect to Brian but he was completely out of his depth this afternoon!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on October 24, 2021, 05:56:23 PM
Sad day for Down GAA when one team goes out to play football and the other team just want to perform thuggery and are accommodated by the referee and his officials. Did race, and I'm not even from Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 24, 2021, 07:53:48 PM
The Stream is really poor from pairc esler.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 24, 2021, 08:07:33 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on October 24, 2021, 07:53:48 PM
The Stream is really poor from pairc esler.

The football is worse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 24, 2021, 08:45:20 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on October 24, 2021, 05:56:23 PM
Sad day for Down GAA when one team goes out to play football and the other team just want to perform thuggery and are accommodated by the referee and his officials. Did race, and I'm not even from Down.
What happened?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaagaagaa20 on October 24, 2021, 11:15:51 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on October 24, 2021, 05:56:23 PM
Sad day for Down GAA when one team goes out to play football and the other team just want to perform thuggery and are accommodated by the referee and his officials. Did race, and I'm not even from Down.
For a man who's "not even from Down" you have posted the majority of your posts regarding Down football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on October 25, 2021, 12:12:55 AM
Why would you assume I'm a man? Are females not allowed on this site?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 25, 2021, 12:44:51 AM
Burren were by far the better team last night but fail to put teams away for some reason. It makes for an interesting final with prob the two best teams in the county there.. only a point has separated them in their two fixtures this year and I think this one will be the same..
Kerr will be out after a disgraceful challenge on him which is why I tip kilcoo to win it in the end.. won't be much in it but I just don't see any of the Burren subs bringing to the party what Kerr does.
Where now for Clonduff?? A raft of players in their 30s and not much coming off the conveyor belt for them. Is there anyone on their panel capable of stepping up to county?? Wee Darren is quality but prob past his best at county level to be fair.
Barry is excellent, that lad Close looks decent but no one else really is there??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 25, 2021, 08:21:24 AM
It was a fair shoulder on Kerr which is part of the game unfortunate for burren that he was injured . Kilcoo performance yesterday makes them look more vulnerable this year than previously
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 25, 2021, 08:56:58 AM
Interesting two semi-finals yesterday. Kilcoo looked comfortable up until the last 10 and what's worrying is that they are not scoring as heavily as they did in years gone by but they are masters at grinding out victories. They are not the best footballing side to have graced this county but they are grinders. Ballyholland tried to bully them which urned into a wrestling/boxing match. The scenes at the stand side were a disgrace and it's sad to see people jump the fence at a game especially in front of so many young ones. having a full-on punching fight in front of so many people and being live on tv is a disgrace and should be condemned by the county board. There should be suspensions for a few players, mentors, officials. Pairc Esler should have another dugout at the far side of the potch to stop the hustle and bustle in that area.

I felt Clonduff will be kicking themselves this morning after they let Burren off the hook, Kerr if out will be a massive loss as Burren does not have the strength in depth to replace him. Trainor took the mark well but in fairness, it's a crap rule but Burren will not be complaining this morning. It will be some story if McCorry can do one over the club that he built to dominate Down the past decade. The game will be tight and will be won on the sideline between two shrewd operators. McCorry was taken in to win The championship, this is Moran's last game in the Down championship. It's a game that everyone will look forward to and I am sure TG4 will be looking the rights of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 25, 2021, 10:49:43 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 25, 2021, 12:44:51 AM
Burren were by far the better team last night but fail to put teams away for some reason. It makes for an interesting final with prob the two best teams in the county there.. only a point has separated them in their two fixtures this year and I think this one will be the same..
Kerr will be out after a disgraceful challenge on him which is why I tip kilcoo to win it in the end.. won't be much in it but I just don't see any of the Burren subs bringing to the party what Kerr does.
Where now for Clonduff?? A raft of players in their 30s and not much coming off the conveyor belt for them. Is there anyone on their panel capable of stepping up to county?? Wee Darren is quality but prob past his best at county level to be fair.
Barry is excellent, that lad Close looks decent but no one else really is there??
Don't see how the tackle was disgraceful. Yea he didn't see it coming but it was a square shoulder and just really unlucky he didn't see it coming
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 25, 2021, 11:11:54 AM
I thought the tackle on Kerr was fine tbh...We'd all have been slabbering on here about the Clonduff lad if he pulled out of the tackle when he had a chance for a big hit...

Clonduff missed a big opportunity last night, Burren have the Indian Sign over them. Think Burren will beat Kilcoo even without Kerr although he's been the best player of the Championship so far by a long way IMO...Think Burren still have plenty of firepower with Magill, O'Hare and Mckernan has been fantastic this season too...

Is D Brannigan available or what's the story? He is a massive loss to the magpies if unavailable...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 25, 2021, 11:21:16 AM
Quote from: upandwin on October 25, 2021, 11:11:54 AM
I thought the tackle on Kerr was fine tbh...We'd all have been slabbering on here about the Clonduff lad if he pulled out of the tackle when he had a chance for a big hit...

Clonduff missed a big opportunity last night, Burren have the Indian Sign over them. Think Burren will beat Kilcoo even without Kerr although he's been the best player of the Championship so far by a long way IMO...Think Burren still have plenty of firepower with Magill, O'Hare and Mckernan has been fantastic this season too...

Is D Brannigan available or what's the story? He is a massive loss to the magpies if unavailable...

Kilcoo will win the final, it will be 8-7 or something crap like that. Is it just me or has the standard been brutal this year. all the games are a slog.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 25, 2021, 11:25:55 AM
2 absolute shockers in Newry yesterday
The standard of club football in Down right now is as poor as I have ever seen
30 scores in 2 semi finals
The al star Clonduff forward line failed to show up to the big stage again
What is it with those players who promise so much but fail to deliver when it comes to the crunch
Experienced players mind you

The first Match was so bad

Gilligan to manage Down?
If anyone thinks this is a positive move forward they are badly badly mistaken
I would rather have Conor D than Conleth G


Watching that Action in Newry yesterday what the hell is wrong with Down football?
How can it be so poor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 25, 2021, 12:16:01 PM
When u line a man up from 5-10 yards who has his back to u and then turns for u to smash him - that's dangerous play - I don't give a flying f**k what yas think.. it was a disgraceful tackle..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 25, 2021, 12:24:56 PM
Ah sure there ya have it...the beauty of sport. I've spoken to about ten people who were at the game and plenty others who watched the stream and it's definitely splitting opinion...

From what I heard, lots of people saying The refs favoured the big two yesterday. How Higgins got that game is beyond me and for some reason AS keeps getting the big games in Down when he absolutely can't refer at that level...The sad thing for any club outside of the Big two, you're going to have to beat the referees to win a SFC until you become the team to beat...happens in all sports where referees are more likely to give 50/50 decisions to the big team. Suppose that's the advantage you've earned from winning it in the first place...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 25, 2021, 12:42:36 PM
apparently Kerr out for final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on October 25, 2021, 01:37:38 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 25, 2021, 12:16:01 PM
When u line a man up from 5-10 yards who has his back to u and then turns for u to smash him - that's dangerous play - I don't give a flying f**k what yas think.. it was a disgraceful tackle..
It wasn't an kids U8 game he was playing in. Physical contact is part of the senior game. He was there to be shouldered and it was shoulder to shoulder. A clean fair tackle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 25, 2021, 01:37:59 PM
Comes back to the duty of care argument that was had after the Dublin v Mayo game this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 25, 2021, 01:46:33 PM
Quote from: elk on October 25, 2021, 01:37:38 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 25, 2021, 12:16:01 PM
When u line a man up from 5-10 yards who has his back to u and then turns for u to smash him - that's dangerous play - I don't give a flying f**k what yas think.. it was a disgraceful tackle..
It wasn't an kids U8 game he was playing in. Physical contact is part of the senior game. He was there to be shouldered and it was shoulder to shoulder. A clean fair tackle
Exactly caught him square on the shoulder and was just a case of a bigger heavier player going in on someone much slighter. If you discipline that sort of tackle then we might as well just play tag football. Again it's unfortunate that someone got seriously hurt over it but you can't expect someone to pull out of that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 25, 2021, 01:52:32 PM
I don't know why people expected the first game to be any different to what it was. Scrappy, defensive, lack of direct play. It's been both teams style this year so far? Ballyholland scored twice in 45mins and only added the goal at the hour mark, Kilcoo scoreless for 20-odd mins in 2nd half. Pulling, dragging, niggling - It was always going to be type of game.
Expected 2nd game to be more expansive but that only happened in small parts. The shoulder was exactly text book, but I get the feeling that it was forceful from player not expecting the impact. And Kerr was having a very good game before that
Neither a great spectacle,  let's hope for a better final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 25, 2021, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 25, 2021, 12:16:01 PM
When u line a man up from 5-10 yards who has his back to u and then turns for u to smash him - that's dangerous play - I don't give a flying f**k what yas think.. it was a disgraceful tackle..

How do you challenge for a ball without lining up a fair shoulder then? Yes we hate to see any player getting hurt, but the hit was fair and many's a time Kerr will have taken such hits but had himself braced or his body shape right to absorb it. He should have been given a clear shout that the hit was coming, maybe he didn't and that's the fault of his team mates and coaches who weren't far away.

Anyway huge shame if he is out, fantastic player and been one of the few highlights of the last few games in the SFC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on October 25, 2021, 05:23:29 PM
Awful to see the best player out for the final. The shoulder rule if not watched is going to cause a serious injury someday. On here we're  saying take it away from the game and that will ruin the game. I disagree. You don't see many shoulders like that anymore in the games. We want to watch our best players play. Not to see them injured in the way Liam was last night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on October 25, 2021, 05:44:26 PM
Great atmosphere yesterday in Pairc Esler for both games .

Lots of excitement mounting for this Burren side .Liam Kerr a massive loss as he has been player of the championship so far.

In fairness to Packy no malice intended , you don't want ever want to be hit by Packy but hopefully Liam recovers quickly.

Interesting chat going around about the Convention , rumour is a new regime being proposed to bring Down GAA more modern and to begin challenging again for silverware

Proposed nominations for County Board - these men are being approached to try and get them to run

Chairman - Connal Murray Darragh Cross
Vice Chairman -Gerard Connerry Carryduff
Secretary - not up yet for change still in post until readvertised
Assistant Secretary -Paul Fegan Burren
Treasurer -Padraig Matthews Clonduff
Coaching Officer - Ross Carr - (to oversee County Coaches etc and Underage Squads )
PRO -Anthony McNamee Ballyholland
Central Council -Roger Morgan Kilcoo
Ulster Council - Jack Devanney Bredagh and
Irish and Cultural Officer -Sean Gallagher Shamrocks

Feeling is if these men could be persuaded to run we would be looking at a transformed County in the years to come.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 25, 2021, 06:27:34 PM
Cannot actually believe what I am reading here. People actually questioning the rule allowing a shoulder to shoulder challenge? Strong shoulder challenges have been in the GAA since its invention and will not and should not be changed. Its unfortunate kerr ended up injured, nobody wants to see good players get hurt never mind a fracture.... But looking at it, it was a perfect challenge within the rules that Liam wasnt ready for and any Burren man would have been proud of it had it been other way round. People saying disgraceful challenge have tinted glasses or do not know gaelic games or have never watched Tipperary v Limerick in the hurling or a dub v tyrone game. Burren nipped the game in the end, teams were evenly enough matched, two sketchy semis, both losing teams had their chances and winning teams did enough... hope for a good final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sportacus on October 25, 2021, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: yewtree on October 25, 2021, 05:44:26 PM
Great atmosphere yesterday in Pairc Esler for both games .

Lots of excitement mounting for this Burren side .Liam Kerr a massive loss as he has been player of the championship so far.

In fairness to Packy no malice intended , you don't want ever want to be hit by Packy but hopefully Liam recovers quickly.

Interesting chat going around about the Convention , rumour is a new regime being proposed to bring Down GAA more modern and to begin challenging again for silverware

Proposed nominations for County Board - these men are being approached to try and get them to run

Chairman - Connal Murray Darragh Cross
Vice Chairman -Gerard Connerry Carryduff
Secretary - not up yet for change still in post until readvertised
Assistant Secretary -Paul Fegan Burren
Treasurer -Padraig Matthews Clonduff
Coaching Officer - Ross Carr - (to oversee County Coaches etc and Underage Squads )
PRO -Anthony McNamee Ballyholland
Central Council -Roger Morgan Kilcoo
Ulster Council - Jack Devanney Bredagh and
Irish and Cultural Officer -Sean Gallagher Shamrocks

Feeling is if these men could be persuaded to run we would be looking at a transformed County in the years to come.
You could also modernise by ensuring there is some gender diversity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on October 25, 2021, 07:09:39 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on October 25, 2021, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: yewtree on October 25, 2021, 05:44:26 PM
Great atmosphere yesterday in Pairc Esler for both games .

Lots of excitement mounting for this Burren side .Liam Kerr a massive loss as he has been player of the championship so far.

In fairness to Packy no malice intended , you don't want ever want to be hit by Packy but hopefully Liam recovers quickly.

Interesting chat going around about the Convention , rumour is a new regime being proposed to bring Down GAA more modern and to begin challenging again for silverware

Proposed nominations for County Board - these men are being approached to try and get them to run

Chairman - Connal Murray Darragh Cross
Vice Chairman -Gerard Connerry Carryduff
Secretary - not up yet for change still in post until readvertised
Assistant Secretary -Paul Fegan Burren
Treasurer -Padraig Matthews Clonduff
Coaching Officer - Ross Carr - (to oversee County Coaches etc and Underage Squads )
PRO -Anthony McNamee Ballyholland
Central Council -Roger Morgan Kilcoo
Ulster Council - Jack Devanney Bredagh and
Irish and Cultural Officer -Sean Gallagher Shamrocks

Feeling is if these men could be persuaded to run we would be looking at a transformed County in the years to come.
You could also modernise by ensuring there is some gender diversity.
That's what the County Boards for Ladies/Camogie are for.
Run along back to your own place coming on here with that s-ite!
   No,I will not be running for election to our County Board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on October 25, 2021, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: yewtree on October 25, 2021, 05:44:26 PM
Great atmosphere yesterday in Pairc Esler for both games .

Lots of excitement mounting for this Burren side .Liam Kerr a massive loss as he has been player of the championship so far.

In fairness to Packy no malice intended , you don't want ever want to be hit by Packy but hopefully Liam recovers quickly.

Interesting chat going around about the Convention , rumour is a new regime being proposed to bring Down GAA more modern and to begin challenging again for silverware

Proposed nominations for County Board - these men are being approached to try and get them to run

Chairman - Connal Murray Darragh Cross
Vice Chairman -Gerard Connerry Carryduff
Secretary - not up yet for change still in post until readvertised
Assistant Secretary -Paul Fegan Burren
Treasurer -Padraig Matthews Clonduff
Coaching Officer - Ross Carr - (to oversee County Coaches etc and Underage Squads )
PRO -Anthony McNamee Ballyholland
Central Council -Roger Morgan Kilcoo
Ulster Council - Jack Devanney Bredagh and
Irish and Cultural Officer -Sean Gallagher Shamrocks

Feeling is if these men could be persuaded to run we would be looking at a transformed County in the years to come.

So you are saying this list of people is being touted as being a replacement county executive and they haven't confirmed they want to run for position. That's clever
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 25, 2021, 07:17:25 PM
Very unfortunate about young Kerr he has been the best player in the championship this year and hopefully he makes a speedy recovery, on the challenge I think it was fair he was there to be hit and it's part of the game, if it was a Clonduff player receiving a ball like that at the other end of the field I'd expect Gerard McGovern or some of his Burren teammates to do the same
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 25, 2021, 07:21:27 PM
Plenty of talk about a shoulder and nothing about the thuggery along the line, tv highlights show a Kilcoo sub swinging punches multi times,worst than in Derry a few weeks and not as bad in Donegal yesterday's but they outbreaks of subs and mentors  getting involved in rows should see both teams automatically banned the following seasons championship,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 25, 2021, 07:27:10 PM
Totally agree with you weasel some of the antics Ballyholland were at was a disgrace
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 25, 2021, 07:34:43 PM
Who the hell is Connal Murray and Gerard Connery ?
Thought the shoulder was a fair challenge
Unfortunate on Kerr as he has been a bright spark in a terrible championship
Why has this years championship been particularly poor?
Half a league teams not up to pace?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 25, 2021, 07:43:07 PM
What has been so bad about this years championship? We had 2 tight semi finals some of the football mightn't have been great but it's do or die when you get to that stage and all that matters is the result, the quarter finals were something similar, have a look round the other counties everywhere is pretty much the same
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on October 25, 2021, 08:40:13 PM
Firstly, Ger Connery has been chairman and vice chairman of the East Down Board for last number of years so if you don't know him, you know very little about Down GAA.
Secondly, fair play to the committee appointing the next county manager for not leaking the names in the frame. However, time to make the appointment unless the man really has a focus on other matters.
Thirdly, two disappointing games yesterday but the strongest two teams have emerged for the final.
Ballyholland always play on the edge but yesterday they were well over it- and deserve to be called out for an over-aggressive approach. They play up that persecution complex and it doesn't serve them well- Kilcoo don't need a second invitation for a rumble and both sidelines deserve criticism for crossing the line. Bad role models for the many young supporters at the game.
Was so disappointed that the Yellas didn't make it over the line in the second game. They mightn't get a better chance with the current crop of senior players although their future is bright. The TV coverage and the commentators caught the shoulder-charge on Liam Kerr well; every single Burren man would have done the same and it was within the rules, unlike the John Small effort in the All Ireland semi-final. McCorry was out of order having a go at Sharvin at half-time and as some posters have noted, it does have an impact on referees.While Sharvin got that one right I think he was wrong to disallow the Clonduff goal so McCorry will think his half-time efforts paid off.
The final will be tight and Kerr is a huge loss; with Dabs back, momentum has swung to the Magpies.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on October 25, 2021, 09:03:24 PM
Quote from: Caitlin on October 25, 2021, 08:40:13 PM
Firstly, Ger Connery has been chairman and vice chairman of the East Down Board for last number of years so if you don't know him, you know very little about Down GAA.
Secondly, fair play to the committee appointing the next county manager for not leaking the names in the frame. However, time to make the appointment unless the man really has a focus on other matters.
Thirdly, two disappointing games yesterday but the strongest two teams have emerged for the final.
Ballyholland always play on the edge but yesterday they were well over it- and deserve to be called out for an over-aggressive approach. They play up that persecution complex and it doesn't serve them well- Kilcoo don't need a second invitation for a rumble and both sidelines deserve criticism for crossing the line. Bad role models for the many young supporters at the game.
Was so disappointed that the Yellas didn't make it over the line in the second game. They mightn't get a better chance with the current crop of senior players although their future is bright. The TV coverage and the commentators caught the shoulder-charge on Liam Kerr well; every single Burren man would have done the same and it was within the rules, unlike the John Small effort in the All Ireland semi-final. McCorry was out of order having a go at Sharvin at half-time and as some posters have noted, it does have an impact on referees.While Sharvin got that one right I think he was wrong to disallow the Clonduff goal so McCorry will think his half-time efforts paid off.
The final will be tight and Kerr is a huge loss; with Dabs back, momentum has swung to the Magpies.
Burren to win it!On the subject of the TV coverage,it's good but they need some decent lead commentators as apart from Patsy the rest are poor.Some of the co-commentators would be better.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 25, 2021, 09:43:51 PM
The coverage isn't good, it's great. It's improved on last year and will get better again next year. It's great value plus there's a good bit of detail those people have to get before jumping into the hot seat. And they are amateurs, not paid thousands so perspective is needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 25, 2021, 10:15:55 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 25, 2021, 09:43:51 PM
The coverage isn't good, it's great. It's improved on last year and will get better again next year. It's great value plus there's a good bit of detail those people have to get before jumping into the hot seat. And they are amateurs, not paid thousands so perspective is needed.
Totally agree , not perfect in terms of technical issues, but what a service. Thanks to all involved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 26, 2021, 07:21:45 AM
Who would actually want the down job. Limited ability in terms of talent and the 2 semi finals on Sunday would evidence that. The 40 or 50k a year is the real motivation and there in lies the problem whereby a mercenary will have no problem filling his pockets and moving on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 26, 2021, 08:14:55 AM
PTC you go to games to watch quality players and some good football
What we were served on Sunday was terrible
2 terrible games
Don't get me started on that intermediate football
The Down manager has a job on his plate
Just over 8 weeks until the McKenna cup starts
News reports suggest Mickey Moran and Conleth Gilligan to be announced
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 26, 2021, 08:52:20 AM
It has been a poor championship thus far at all levels. Probably the worst in a number of years. I really hope the county boar go back to intermediate and senior double header next year as they always increase the atmosphere. Apart from Oran Murdock there has been a poor emergence of midfielders in the championship too. No big men around.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 26, 2021, 09:00:24 AM
Quote from: urbangael on October 26, 2021, 07:21:45 AM
Who would actually want the down job. Limited ability in terms of talent and the 2 semi finals on Sunday would evidence that. The 40 or 50k a year is the real motivation and there in lies the problem whereby a mercenary will have no problem filling his pockets and moving on.

Similar to most other county managers then. Any man taking the money will want to show something in return and enhance their reputation along the way, or at the very least, not damage it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on October 26, 2021, 09:01:12 AM
there is no mckenna cup this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 26, 2021, 09:13:11 AM
Possibly the lack of a 'proper' league has led to a slightly lackluster championship. Many teams with nothing to play for, for most of the year then trying to step up and hit championship pace just hasn't happened for the most part unfortunately. Hard to fault the players and management as most teams know they aren't going to win their respective championships, and so getting the motivation levels and in turn the standard of preparation from the players to where it usually is has maybe been more difficult. Usually these teams have had a relegation/promotion battle and look to the championship to maybe take a scalp and finish the year having rocked someone's boat a little. Plus the odd bit of covid disruption to league games and training sessions may have had an impact. I wouldn't panic and see it as the death of football in Down, maybe just a result of the times we are currently in. Just my thoughts on it anyway....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 26, 2021, 09:18:01 AM
Our county board needs to be announcing this week, most other counties are back in the gym and our boys have not even met yet. It's a shambles with around 10 weeks left to the return of the intercounty season. How can the new management select a good panel in that timeframe, it's becoming really frustrating as a Down fan to see this drawn-out crap and silence from our hierarchy?
Yes, fair play to the selection committee for not releasing any information but come on people this is getting worrying. It cannot take this long to get someone in place and what is worrying me now is that they do not have anyone good enough interested in the role. It is looking like that. I fear for us in next years league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on October 26, 2021, 10:01:06 AM
Rostrevor announced pete mcgrath gone. Rumours that he could be going to saul. Heard Niall mcaleenan linked with rostrevor job. John Kennedy is supposedly heading back to glenn to partner in with there setup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 26, 2021, 10:02:26 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 26, 2021, 09:18:01 AM
Our county board needs to be announcing this week, most other counties are back in the gym and our boys have not even met yet. It's a shambles with around 10 weeks left to the return of the intercounty season. How can the new management select a good panel in that timeframe, it's becoming really frustrating as a Down fan to see this drawn-out crap and silence from our hierarchy?
Yes, fair play to the selection committee for not releasing any information but come on people this is getting worrying. It cannot take this long to get someone in place and what is worrying me now is that they do not have anyone good enough interested in the role. It is looking like that. I fear for us in next years league.

It wouldn't be unreasonable to expect any player who has been on the panel this last few years, or who plays division 1 club football, to be fit to go to the gym and figure out what to do himself for a couple of weeks. Hardly the end of the world.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 26, 2021, 11:07:55 AM
But if that chosen manager is involved still in club championship it would be remiss of anyone to announce it. It wouldn't be fair on that club.
And I don't think it'll be Mickey Moran, I thought he is retiring.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 26, 2021, 01:45:31 PM
I don't care who it is but they should be announced asap, there should be a core panel but I am sure there will be a few trials to see who are close enough. Who do you think will be making the step up who was not involved in Tallys squad.
Jerome, Ryan, Shealan Johnston, Micheal Rooney
Oran Murdock, Paddy McCarthy
Campbell from Ballyholand
Eamon Brown, Tom Brown, Jamie O'Hagan
Adam Lynch, Donach McAleenan
Shane Annett,  Smyth
Ronan Beatty
McKibben from the town
Rory Mason
Ruari O'Hare
Daniel Eastwood
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 26, 2021, 05:54:52 PM
With all due respect to those lads bar Annett and McAleenan the rest are not up to it
When are we going to stop beating the Kilcoo drum
Those lads don't want to play
Will the new manager run trials??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 26, 2021, 10:01:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 26, 2021, 05:54:52 PM
With all due respect to those lads bar Annett and McAleenan the rest are not up to it
When are we going to stop beating the Kilcoo drum
Those lads don't want to play
Will the new manager run trials??
Good man Smurfy,put those East Down ones
in their box!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 26, 2021, 10:07:52 PM
Sorry young Murdock a great player also
No disrespect to the others but not at that level
I see All Ireland champions Tyrone back training.
We haven't even got a manager
This delay will have some affect on Downs year I have no doubt about that
I would be shocked if all intercounty teams are not doing something already
What way does that new cup competition work next year? The Taltiean cup?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 26, 2021, 11:06:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 26, 2021, 01:45:31 PM
I don't care who it is but they should be announced asap, there should be a core panel but I am sure there will be a few trials to see who are close enough. Who do you think will be making the step up who was not involved in Tallys squad.
Jerome, Ryan, Shealan Johnston, Micheal Rooney
Oran Murdock, Paddy McCarthy
Campbell from Ballyholand
Eamon Brown, Tom Brown, Jamie O'Hagan
Adam Lynch, Donach McAleenan
Shane Annett,  Smyth
Ronan Beatty
McKibben from the town
Rory Mason
Ruari O'Hare
Daniel Eastwood

Kilcoo  players - completely disagree
Burren players are both 18 years old.. they have another 2 years playing u20 before starting to think about seniors..
which Campbell - there are 3 of them!!!
Eamon Brown - no chance - very poor in last two games - stakes are higher he was nowhere to be seen - I take it u mean Tom Close - worth taking to try and develop over nxt few years - O'Hagan - surely u are taking the piss here?? At present we have Peter Fegan, Daniel Guinness, Darren O'Hagan, Gearard McGovern, Gerard Collins, Pearse Laverty, Cormac McCartan on the panel amongst others - Jamie may be a decent club player for the next ten years but he is no where near county standard.
Neither CpN player is county standard
Shane Annett yes - Smyth - no chance.
Beatty good player If he can stay fit
Mc Kibben - no chance
Mason - seriously you are having a laugh
O'Hare - good player
Eastwood???

From what I have seen of championship in last two seasons - U may have missed Stevie Fegan, Ross carr, murdock from Rostrevor, Conor Clarke, Ruairi McCormick, Connor Fitzpatrick (Bridge), Shea Byrne, Oisin mcConvey, Josh Connery, Seamus Loughran, Tiarnan Rushe, darragh Fegan, Jack McCartan, Brendan Gallen - probably missing a few here!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 26, 2021, 11:15:55 PM
Johnysboy you are taking the piss

None of the below would even start for
Kilcoo
Burren
Clonduff
CPN
Mayobridge

Not 1 of them
Donnach is well fit for county football

None of the lads you mentioned are close to county standard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 26, 2021, 11:41:24 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 26, 2021, 11:15:55 PM
Johnysboy you are taking the piss

None of the below would even start for
Kilcoo
Burren
Clonduff
CPN
Mayobridge

Not 1 of them
Donnach is well fit for county football

None of the lads you mentioned are close to county standard

You mean apart from the players that actually start EVERY game for the teams above???

It's like everything else - it's an opinion and based on what I have seen in the last two seasons - these lads are championship consistent for their clubs.

Donach is 24/25 now - if he was "well fit for county football" he would be there - simple.. just because someone is their clubs best player doesn't mean they can make that next step to county level. John Boyle - classic example.. brilliant for us for years but nowhere near it at county level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 27, 2021, 08:59:56 AM
Jack McCartan has a bit of potential no doubt, is Rushe played a bit of football instead of running around thinking he is Hulk Hogan(a very poor Hulk Hogan I may add) then he could may a good player. has the referee been announced for the final yet? Probably only 2 or 3 people fit for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 27, 2021, 10:14:18 AM
I'd expect one of the inter-county refs to be appointed for this one Id say. Needs a good experienced campaigner,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 27, 2021, 02:15:41 PM
Fallon, Rice and Corrigan should be the officials on the day. Also, will need good strong umpires
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 27, 2021, 02:21:24 PM
the intermediate final should be Brannigan, O'Hare and Barry

Junior  : Finnegan, Moore, burke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 27, 2021, 03:07:05 PM
Hope Sean Rooney is on here as his job is done for him..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 27, 2021, 04:07:38 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 27, 2021, 03:07:05 PM
Hope Sean Rooney is on here as his job is done for him..

Do you disagree with them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 27, 2021, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 27, 2021, 02:15:41 PM
Fallon, Rice and Corrigan should be the officials on the day. Also, will need good strong umpires
Could probably throw brannigan into this as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 27, 2021, 04:58:50 PM
There's merit to disagree with every one depending on what tint your glasses are. Remember there are also 4th officials which if done right can keep the sidelines marshalled and allow lineman to watch the pitch. But agree with the men for middle, either way about is right option.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 27, 2021, 06:06:26 PM
Think Adrian Sharvin is a great ref although probably won't get the final after doing the semi
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 27, 2021, 11:59:01 PM
I know we disagree on many things on this forum but the one thing I think we all agree on is that Paul Falloon is a top referee and at present is head abs shoulders the best in our county. Why are we even having a discussion about who gets the final when we have him in our ranks?? Surely it should be his?? No affiliation to either club (don't think it would matter anyhow) and is very composed in high pressure games. Anyone else getting it is a fraud by the county board IMO.
But then there is of course the fact that Kilcoo don't like him due to him not buying their antics on the pitch or sideline - and that's the reason he won't be doing it. County Board need to have the balls to stand up to the thugs and show them who is actually running the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 28, 2021, 07:04:45 AM
Has the referee been picked yet? The only reason Paul Falloon wouldn't get it is he lost his composure last year and finished a game early, if the match was to be live to tg4 and this happened it would be embarrassing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 28, 2021, 07:59:16 AM
Damian Cassidy to be installed as Down manager
Assistant by Danny Hughes and Dan Gordon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 28, 2021, 08:33:12 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 28, 2021, 07:59:16 AM
Damian Cassidy to be installed as Down manager
Assistant by Danny Hughes and Dan Gordon
The 3 D's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 28, 2021, 09:06:54 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 27, 2021, 11:59:01 PM
I know we disagree on many things on this forum but the one thing I think we all agree on is that Paul Falloon is a top referee and at present is head abs shoulders the best in our county. Why are we even having a discussion about who gets the final when we have him in our ranks?? Surely it should be his?? No affiliation to either club (don't think it would matter anyhow) and is very composed in high pressure games. Anyone else getting it is a fraud by the county board IMO.
But then there is of course the fact that Kilcoo don't like him due to him not buying their antics on the pitch or sideline - and that's the reason he won't be doing it. County Board need to have the balls to stand up to the thugs and show them who is actually running the county.

Falloon is the best by a country mile and he will referee an all Ireland final someday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 28, 2021, 09:07:25 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 28, 2021, 07:59:16 AM
Damian Cassidy to be installed as Down manager
Assistant by Danny Hughes and Dan Gordon

How many announcements are you on now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 28, 2021, 09:20:27 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 28, 2021, 09:07:25 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 28, 2021, 07:59:16 AM
Damian Cassidy to be installed as Down manager
Assistant by Danny Hughes and Dan Gordon

How many announcements are you on now?
A random survey by hoganstand.com has predicted that by 2022 4 out of 5 people will have been linked to the vacant Down job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 28, 2021, 10:37:46 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 28, 2021, 07:59:16 AM
Damian Cassidy to be installed as Down manager
Assistant by Danny Hughes and Dan Gordon

You on the wacky backy smurfy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 28, 2021, 11:51:05 AM
Brendan rice confirmed as the referee for the final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 28, 2021, 01:09:13 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 28, 2021, 11:51:05 AM
Brendan rice confirmed as the referee for the final

Colm Gribben Intermediate
Conor Curran Junior

Rice is an experienced campaigner but if my mind serves me right did he send a McGovern off in a Burren/Kilcoo game a few years ago, or was it Ciaran Brannigan? He should not be influenced .
Good to see young Curran getting a final, he has potential
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 28, 2021, 01:10:28 PM
Can any Ballyholland or Kilcoo poster confirm was there  any suspensions from Sunday's game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 28, 2021, 02:51:42 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 28, 2021, 11:51:05 AM
Brendan rice confirmed as the referee for the final

Congratulations to Kilcoo on winning another county title.. A clubman of mine but will be bullied by Kilcoo - again.. how can a man who referees their in house games get the county final - it's wrong on so many levels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 28, 2021, 02:59:23 PM
Kilcoo must have some amount of in-house games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 28, 2021, 03:54:55 PM
Great to see new referees getting the nod, new blood needed. Seems to be approach this year to get them through and get experience to move up next year. Disappointed that our best ref isn't in line for final though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 28, 2021, 04:01:37 PM
Rice will crumble when it comes to the pressure of this year's final. He knows full well all the Burren people hate his guts after the McGovern sending off and he'll try to undo that mistake this year and gift Burren a SFC...Burren will win this final by 5/6 and they'll be one of the favourites to win Ulster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 28, 2021, 04:27:21 PM
Quote from: upandwin on October 28, 2021, 04:01:37 PM
Rice will crumble when it comes to the pressure of this year's final. He knows full well all the Burren people hate his guts after the McGovern sending off and he'll try to undo that mistake this year and gift Burren a SFC...Burren will win this final by 5/6 and they'll be one of the favourites to win Ulster

Rice wouldn't give Burren the steam of his piss! He'll turn a blind eye when needed and ensure he's the centre attraction. The assessors should be entertained if no one else
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 28, 2021, 04:41:32 PM
Great to see so many people can be certain of the outcome of the senior final based on the ref. There'll be serious money to be made in Toals now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 29, 2021, 08:55:45 AM
Too many eyes on a game now so refs are over scrutinized.
There is still no announcement about the manager, everyone is getting worried at this stage even the players. 10 weeks to the beginning of the national football league, 10 weeks!!
There are club teams making plans for 2022 and we as a county have no management team in place. It is now 4 months since the backbenchers ousted Paddy Tally, you would think we would have something sorted in 4 months .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on October 29, 2021, 10:05:57 AM
Any update Smurfy on who is today's likely candidate ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on October 29, 2021, 11:04:16 AM
We're really at a low ebb in Down football arent we these days? County team, club games and now referees

County team, less said the better.
Club football, 2 brutal bad negative football semi finals. Compare either game with Armagh semis (38 ponts & 23 points), to our 2 snooze fests
Referees, best ref in county not getting final, due to Kilcoo slabbers dictating to co.board that its not faloon.

On subject of themuns, has anything come out about the latest kilcoo melee? Was the sub from kilcoo suspended for a blatant punch on sideline?  video on whatsapp, its pretty clear who the main actors are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 29, 2021, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 29, 2021, 11:04:16 AM
We're really at a low ebb in Down football arent we these days? County team, club games and now referees

County team, less said the better.
Club football, 2 brutal bad negative football semi finals. Compare either game with Armagh semis (38 ponts & 23 points), to our 2 snooze fests
Referees, best ref in county not getting final, due to Kilcoo slabbers dictating to co.board that its not faloon.

On subject of themuns, has anything come out about the latest kilcoo melee? Was the sub from kilcoo suspended for a blatant punch on sideline?  video on whatsapp, its pretty clear who the main actors are.

Nothing is being done about it, the ref dealt with it then so will be no repercussions. If it was two divison 4 teams it would be different, 2 divison one teams get preference as usual.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 29, 2021, 11:31:03 AM
2 of the worst semi finals in living memory
Worst championship in living memory
What was the stand out match?

Regarding the new Down manager
Everyone seems to be guessing at this stage
9 weeks to the start of the McKenna cup. Where has it been confirmed that no McKenna cup is to take place this year?
Club teams normally give themselves 10 weeks preparation for the start of a campaign with gym work and field sessions
Anyone who thinks 9 weeks is enough preparation time knows nothing
Say a manager is appointed next week that leaves 8 weeks preparation
Give or take 2 weeks to gather up a squad and a management team you are talking 6 weeks preparation
To ring around a squad of players and to not expect them to have plans made would be foolish. I hope the new manager doesn't expect that when he is appointed for a panel of players to be able to start the following week
Middle of November earliest which in such an important league campaign is quite worrying
Do we think for 1 second that the teams around us that we can actually beat like the Offalys are doing nothing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on October 29, 2021, 11:43:02 AM
Dont worry smurfy plenty of time, theres no mckenna cup! Google it and you will find out that the competition is finished
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 29, 2021, 11:44:48 AM
Would I be right that we've had over 60 games so far in the Championship? We have really only talked about refereeing in the senior semis and neither were terrible refereeing but actually terrible games. All year we have all praised and talked very little about those in the middle so I think this is all over exaggerated. I've heard good reports about those all year. Let's hope football wins in the finals, Inter looks set to be a good game I think.
As for County job. Not sure we could leave it any more last minute. Whoever takes over will need time, different styles can't be forged overnight and it's too late now to get off to the slide sired start. Maybe the person being appointed already knows and has been to club games, that would be a good head start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 29, 2021, 01:05:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 29, 2021, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 29, 2021, 11:04:16 AM
We're really at a low ebb in Down football arent we these days? County team, club games and now referees

County team, less said the better.
Club football, 2 brutal bad negative football semi finals. Compare either game with Armagh semis (38 ponts & 23 points), to our 2 snooze fests
Referees, best ref in county not getting final, due to Kilcoo slabbers dictating to co.board that its not faloon.

On subject of themuns, has anything come out about the latest kilcoo melee? Was the sub from kilcoo suspended for a blatant punch on sideline?  video on whatsapp, its pretty clear who the main actors are.

Nothing is being done about it, the ref dealt with it then so will be no repercussions. If it was two divison 4 teams it would be different, 2 divison one teams get preference as usual.

If it was two Division 4 teams nothing would be done either Truth don't spin that narrative.. Been plenty of melees after matches in that division and FA happened
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 29, 2021, 01:11:47 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 29, 2021, 01:05:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 29, 2021, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 29, 2021, 11:04:16 AM
We're really at a low ebb in Down football arent we these days? County team, club games and now referees

County team, less said the better.
Club football, 2 brutal bad negative football semi finals. Compare either game with Armagh semis (38 ponts & 23 points), to our 2 snooze fests
Referees, best ref in county not getting final, due to Kilcoo slabbers dictating to co.board that its not faloon.

On subject of themuns, has anything come out about the latest kilcoo melee? Was the sub from kilcoo suspended for a blatant punch on sideline?  video on whatsapp, its pretty clear who the main actors are.

Nothing is being done about it, the ref dealt with it then so will be no repercussions. If it was two divison 4 teams it would be different, 2 divison one teams get preference as usual.

If it was two Division 4 teams nothing would be done either Truth don't spin that narrative.. Been plenty of melees after matches in that division and FA happened

Name them and where they shown on BBC newsline? Its not as if the county board are busy searching for a manager , i am sure they should investigate the scenes of thuggery. Ballyholland came to Newry to throw their weight about and a few lads got a fe hidings which has been coming to them for a few years. Do yu think the scenes are a good look on Down football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 29, 2021, 01:51:54 PM
Dundrum v Finn, Saul V Drumgath, An Ríocht v St Johns.. Few underage games called off for fighting nothing happened suspension wise to any of the clubs.. I wouldn't be a fan of ballyholland but too say other teams in the county don't get off with stuff because they're lower down is just not true.

People just not at those games to give them the scrutiny they would get with an audience
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 29, 2021, 02:18:00 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 29, 2021, 01:51:54 PM
Dundrum v Finn, Saul V Drumgath, An Ríocht v St Johns.. Few underage games called off for fighting nothing happened suspension wise to any of the clubs.. I wouldn't be a fan of ballyholland but too say other teams in the county don't get off with stuff because they're lower down is just not true.

People just not at those games to give them the scrutiny they would get with an audience

These where no where near the scale of that row on sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 29, 2021, 04:39:13 PM
Jesus Christ there was a few well deserved slaps handed out on Sunday and we are still going on about it, don't think we talked as much about Burren when they lost control of themselves after Kilcoo beat them in championship last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 29, 2021, 05:28:30 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 29, 2021, 01:51:54 PM
Dundrum v Finn, Saul V Drumgath, An Ríocht v St Johns.. Few underage games called off for fighting nothing happened suspension wise to any of the clubs.. I wouldn't be a fan of ballyholland but too say other teams in the county don't get off with stuff because they're lower down is just not true.

People just not at those games to give them the scrutiny they would get with an audience

Ah yes, that huge riot between Dundrum and the Finn  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 29, 2021, 05:55:32 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 29, 2021, 05:28:30 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 29, 2021, 01:51:54 PM
Dundrum v Finn, Saul V Drumgath, An Ríocht v St Johns.. Few underage games called off for fighting nothing happened suspension wise to any of the clubs.. I wouldn't be a fan of ballyholland but too say other teams in the county don't get off with stuff because they're lower down is just not true.

People just not at those games to give them the scrutiny they would get with an audience

Ah yes, that huge riot between Dundrum and the Finn  ;D

2017/2018 both benches emptied and fighting up corner opposite their Scoreboard side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on October 29, 2021, 11:55:30 PM
The senior hurling final should be worth watching this weekend.  2 good teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on October 30, 2021, 10:02:17 AM
10.00 am and still no words of wisdom from the Point ! Ffs how much longer do we have to wait? Come on papa Smurf.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 30, 2021, 11:05:35 AM
Words maybe
Wisdom unlikely
🤡
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 31, 2021, 06:22:03 AM
No I have run out of names to guess
At this stage I'm loosing all hope
Jimmy McGuiness latest but I would be very surprised
It has to be someone still involved with a club
Gilligan
Cassidy
Adams


Will th new man be introduced at half time on Sunday???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on October 31, 2021, 10:27:08 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 31, 2021, 06:22:03 AM
No I have run out of names to guess
At this stage I'm loosing all hope
Jimmy McGuiness latest but I would be very surprised
It has to be someone still involved with a club
Gilligan
Cassidy
Adams


Will th new man be introduced at half time on Sunday???

Yea they'll parade him round pairc esler no doubt  ::)

Malachy orourke another candidate still involved in club championship...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 31, 2021, 10:55:05 AM
Hurling final switched to Newry today due to waterlogged pitches in the ards
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 01, 2021, 08:14:14 AM
Crans prevailed after extra time. Close game throughout although I did fancy the Crans who gained momentum as the championship got going and the pitches got softer. A direct brand of hurling which suits their personnel. Whether they'll be able to do anything with the winners of Dunloy/Slaughtneil in January is another story.

Ports thought they'd it in the bag after winning some early round games well but then struggled thereafter. Speedier of the two teams overall and they'll be licking their wounds after yesterday..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 01, 2021, 08:38:30 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 01, 2021, 08:14:14 AM
Crans prevailed after extra time. Close game throughout although I did fancy the Crans who gained momentum as the championship got going and the pitches got softer. A direct brand of hurling which suits their personnel. Whether they'll be able to do anything with the winners of Dunloy/Slaughtneil in January is another story.

Ports thought they'd it in the bag after winning some early round games well but then struggled thereafter. Speedier of the two teams overall and they'll be licking their wounds after yesterday..

How did Down teams do in Antrim league this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 01, 2021, 09:24:11 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 01, 2021, 08:38:30 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 01, 2021, 08:14:14 AM
Crans prevailed after extra time. Close game throughout although I did fancy the Crans who gained momentum as the championship got going and the pitches got softer. A direct brand of hurling which suits their personnel. Whether they'll be able to do anything with the winners of Dunloy/Slaughtneil in January is another story.

Ports thought they'd it in the bag after winning some early round games well but then struggled thereafter. Speedier of the two teams overall and they'll be licking their wounds after yesterday..

How did Down teams do in Antrim league this year?

Ports went well enough and were third, Crans midtable respectability and we were bottom of Div1.

Bredagh are midtable Div2B which you'd expect them to get out of as they're better than that although they do struggle to get their best 15 out and like ourselves there's maybe a lack of strength in depth to cover those losses.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 01, 2021, 09:42:15 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 01, 2021, 09:24:11 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 01, 2021, 08:38:30 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 01, 2021, 08:14:14 AM
Crans prevailed after extra time. Close game throughout although I did fancy the Crans who gained momentum as the championship got going and the pitches got softer. A direct brand of hurling which suits their personnel. Whether they'll be able to do anything with the winners of Dunloy/Slaughtneil in January is another story.

Ports thought they'd it in the bag after winning some early round games well but then struggled thereafter. Speedier of the two teams overall and they'll be licking their wounds after yesterday..

How did Down teams do in Antrim league this year?

Ports went well enough and were third, Crans midtable respectability and we were bottom of Div1.

Bredagh are midtable Div2B which you'd expect them to get out of as they're better than that although they do struggle to get their best 15 out and like ourselves there's maybe a lack of strength in depth to cover those losses.

No doubt youse will be back, but demographics are a challenge in the future for the GAA with smaller numbers in rural areas. I think the GAA moving to 13 a side overall would be a smart move , as rural clubs are going to be increasingly challenged in getting 15 players out in both codes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 01, 2021, 10:31:52 AM
Into another week, 9 weeks to the start of intercounty football and we still have no manager. I think the clubs need to start putting pressure on the board as it's a disgrace that no one has been announced. As a supporter, I am really worried.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 01, 2021, 11:48:38 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 01, 2021, 09:42:15 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 01, 2021, 09:24:11 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 01, 2021, 08:38:30 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 01, 2021, 08:14:14 AM
Crans prevailed after extra time. Close game throughout although I did fancy the Crans who gained momentum as the championship got going and the pitches got softer. A direct brand of hurling which suits their personnel. Whether they'll be able to do anything with the winners of Dunloy/Slaughtneil in January is another story.

Ports thought they'd it in the bag after winning some early round games well but then struggled thereafter. Speedier of the two teams overall and they'll be licking their wounds after yesterday..

How did Down teams do in Antrim league this year?

Ports went well enough and were third, Crans midtable respectability and we were bottom of Div1.

Bredagh are midtable Div2B which you'd expect them to get out of as they're better than that although they do struggle to get their best 15 out and like ourselves there's maybe a lack of strength in depth to cover those losses.

No doubt youse will be back, but demographics are a challenge in the future for the GAA with smaller numbers in rural areas. I think the GAA moving to 13 a side overall would be a smart move , as rural clubs are going to be increasingly challenged in getting 15 players out in both codes

You will be challenging yourselves in a few years I believe Sam . From small acorns and all that . Trying to keep your coastal neighbours on their toes !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 01, 2021, 01:36:01 PM
Any new appointments on the management merry go round yet?
Few teams & managers have parted company.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 01, 2021, 03:21:20 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 01, 2021, 01:36:01 PM
Any new appointments on the management merry go round yet?
Few teams & managers have parted company.

smurfy is the man for that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 01, 2021, 04:15:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 01, 2021, 10:31:52 AM
Into another week, 9 weeks to the start of intercounty football and we still have no manager. I think the clubs need to start putting pressure on the board as it's a disgrace that no one has been announced. As a supporter, I am really worried.

I would sooner wait another few weeks for the right appointment . Many good options still
Involved with clubs . I would have confidence in the selection panel picking the right person at the right time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 01, 2021, 05:16:48 PM
 Conor Deegan,Conor Laverty,Jim McGiinness,Malachy O'Rouke and Damian Cassidy
have been appointed as Joint Managers of Down Senior Footballers!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 01, 2021, 05:36:47 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 01, 2021, 05:16:48 PM
Conor Deegan,Conor Laverty,Jim McGiinness,Malachy O'Rouke and Damian Cassidy
have been appointed as Joint Managers of Down Senior Footballers!
along with Micky Moran, Conleth Gilligan and Peter Canavan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on November 01, 2021, 05:47:38 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 01, 2021, 05:36:47 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 01, 2021, 05:16:48 PM
Conor Deegan,Conor Laverty,Jim McGiinness,Malachy O'Rouke and Damian Cassidy
have been appointed as Joint Managers of Down Senior Footballers!
along with Micky Moran, Conleth Gilligan and Peter Canavan
could probably throw in nuno espirito santo now that hes available now too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 01, 2021, 08:23:49 PM
I think we all now know that the to be appointed new Down manager is still involved
Moran
Laverty
Mal O R (even though he said no)
Cassidy out now
Adams
Gilligan


Outsiders but no reason to suggest if it wasn't one of those then it should be announced
Deegan
Mulholland
Walsh

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 01, 2021, 09:32:40 PM
Any club appointments?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 08:51:09 AM
Can any Burren poster confirm if Oran Murdock has been approached to play Aussie Rules?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 02, 2021, 08:58:44 AM
6th Sam it's ok saying you would rather wait and get the right man but seriously every weeks delay will have a huge impact on Downs season.
Over 4 months since Tally left the post. 4 months
Every other team in Ireland will be doing something that goes without saying.
Every week really counts now.
If a manager is appointed after next weeks county finals which looks to be the case as it must be someone who is involved then it could be December before the meeting man gets his squad up and running
Any time for trialling players or getting a look at some lads is gone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 09:19:33 AM
I just was told in the shop there now that there has been a few hefty bans sent by the county board after the battle of Esler and that the CCC will be busy with appeals in the next few days trying to free up bodies for the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 02, 2021, 03:09:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 09:19:33 AM
I just was told in the shop there now that there has been a few hefty bans sent by the county board after the battle of Esler and that the CCC will be busy with appeals in the next few days trying to free up bodies for the final.

As if the county board are going to argue with Kilcoo. If they want someone available to play - done
If they want a particular ref - done
Forget about appeals - county board are scared shitless of them..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 02, 2021, 04:15:18 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 02, 2021, 03:09:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 09:19:33 AM
I just was told in the shop there now that there has been a few hefty bans sent by the county board after the battle of Esler and that the CCC will be busy with appeals in the next few days trying to free up bodies for the final.

As if the county board are going to argue with Kilcoo. If they want someone available to play - done
If they want a particular ref - done
Forget about appeals - county board are scared shitless of them..

Why?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 02, 2021, 04:15:18 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 02, 2021, 03:09:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 09:19:33 AM
I just was told in the shop there now that there has been a few hefty bans sent by the county board after the battle of Esler and that the CCC will be busy with appeals in the next few days trying to free up bodies for the final.

As if the county board are going to argue with Kilcoo. If they want someone available to play - done
If they want a particular ref - done
Forget about appeals - county board are scared shitless of them..

Why?

The CCC are not afraid of the magpies. Bigness has the biggest suspension which is hardly surprising
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 02, 2021, 04:27:34 PM
Sad news in Byransford today with the passing of the great Oliver Burns, he was a colossus with the great ford team of the 70s and captained them to 2 ulster titles. A very proud clubman, East Down and Down gael. May he rest in peace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on November 02, 2021, 07:54:15 PM
Johnny, you speak like Kilcoo are the New York mafia. As far as I can see the county board take Kilcoo to task at all times but technicalities seem to get them off the hook. Wouldn't it be better if a leaf was taken out of the Portglenone club, be gracious and go more more dignity.
And I'm fairly sure they don't appoint referees, have you ever read your posts ffs wise up fella. May be you believe your own hype.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 03, 2021, 07:31:23 AM
Have it on very good source the Michael Moran will be revealed as the new Down manager at Tuesday nights county board meeting
Mr Conleth Gilligan will join his backroom team
Not what I hoped but I'd like to wish both all the very best
How will they juggle both if Kilcoo win on Sunday ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 03, 2021, 09:22:02 AM
It will be a good appointment if that is the case but you are as reliable as the front page of the Sunday World.

Some big names were announced on the Ballykinlar board, some strange names too. Hopefully, it gets off the ground soon. It should reignite Gaelic games in the area which at one time was a force in Down gaa circles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 03, 2021, 10:40:13 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 03, 2021, 07:31:23 AM
Have it on very good source the Michael Moran will be revealed as the new Down manager at Tuesday nights county board meeting
Mr Conleth Gilligan will join his backroom team
Not what I hoped but I'd like to wish both all the very best
How will they juggle both if Kilcoo win on Sunday ?
Mr :o Smurf,you have all the most up to date news.What a wee gem you are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on November 03, 2021, 10:51:10 AM
Im hearing peter Canavan new manager, confirmed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 03, 2021, 12:11:11 PM
So that's it

Joint managers
Peter Canavan
Mickey Moran
Jimmy McG

Selectors
Conor Deegan
Pete McGrath
Damien Cassidy
Shane Mulholland
Brendan Hackett


Coach
Conleth Gilligan
Aidan O Rourke
Conor Laverty

Now that I would be happy with

I'm taking the piss btw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the goal was on on November 03, 2021, 12:16:06 PM
Strong word that M O Rourke is the new man but insisted no announcements until club season ends !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on November 03, 2021, 12:34:23 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on November 03, 2021, 12:16:06 PM
Strong word that M O Rourke is the new man but insisted no announcements until club season ends !!

Why would he leave a club team that most likely could beat Down??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on November 03, 2021, 03:23:30 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on November 03, 2021, 12:34:23 PM
Quote from: the goal was on on November 03, 2021, 12:16:06 PM
Strong word that M O Rourke is the new man but insisted no announcements until club season ends !!

Why would he leave a club team that most likely could beat Down??

Also, If his club win on Sunday they will have Ulster.

Zero percent of O'Rourke I'd imagine
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 03, 2021, 06:13:28 PM
I think the pull to manage an intercounty team goes beyond club
Both Moran and O Rourke have managed at the highest level why would they not want to manage Down?
Club management is big but county management is massive
To say why would either move from a successful club is just mind boggling
Another week almost gone and we don't look like making an announcement
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 03, 2021, 06:29:45 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 03, 2021, 06:13:28 PM
I think the pull to manage an intercounty team goes beyond club
Both Moran and O Rourke have managed at the highest level why would they not want to manage Down?
Club management is big but county management is massive
To say why would either move from a successful club is just mind boggling
Another week almost gone and we don't look like making an announcement

Sure we get announcements almost daily here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on November 03, 2021, 07:57:45 PM
Unai Emery today ruled himself out of the Newcastle job . That can only mean he's taking the Down job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 03, 2021, 10:19:40 PM
Is Steve Bruce a realistic candidate?

Big fan of 'traditional football' apparently but can also organise a defence.

Got a tidy payoff from last gig so might not be that hard to pay.

What's not to love?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 03, 2021, 11:40:07 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on November 02, 2021, 07:54:15 PM
Johnny, you speak like Kilcoo are the New York mafia. As far as I can see the county board take Kilcoo to task at all times but technicalities seem to get them off the hook. Wouldn't it be better if a leaf was taken out of the Portglenone club, be gracious and go more more dignity.
And I'm fairly sure they don't appoint referees, have you ever read your posts ffs wise up fella. May be you believe your own hype.

Not quite the mafia but they do pull sway.. technicalities - don't make me laugh. Our esteemed county secretary didn't get told to go to his office through Kilkeel and not Kilcoo for the craic. Your 100% they don't appoint referees but they do put in their objections if it's the one who challenges them and ain't afraid of them on the pitch - who then gets verbally abused leaving the pitch and through messages for days on end after the game (Mafia style). But in your eyes they are probably just a small parish of 600 who go to mass and have a few sheep each..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 04, 2021, 09:28:10 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 03, 2021, 11:40:07 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on November 02, 2021, 07:54:15 PM
Johnny, you speak like Kilcoo are the New York mafia. As far as I can see the county board take Kilcoo to task at all times but technicalities seem to get them off the hook. Wouldn't it be better if a leaf was taken out of the Portglenone club, be gracious and go more more dignity.
And I'm fairly sure they don't appoint referees, have you ever read your posts ffs wise up fella. May be you believe your own hype.

Not quite the mafia but they do pull sway.. technicalities - don't make me laugh. Our esteemed county secretary didn't get told to go to his office through Kilkeel and not Kilcoo for the craic. Your 100% they don't appoint referees but they do put in their objections if it's the one who challenges them and ain't afraid of them on the pitch - who then gets verbally abused leaving the pitch and through messages for days on end after the game (Mafia style). But in your eyes they are probably just a small parish of 600 who go to mass and have a few sheep each..

There was a "Kilcoo mafia" flag at the 1991 all-Ireland final, the Kilcoo mafia is going a long time  ;) :) A strong East Down club with a few eijets but then again every club has them. The loss of Kerr on Sunday is massive. Jim is trying to crush the empire which he single handily built. I don't think the mafia will let that happen  :) :) Darragh and the Kindom is going to be a cracker and I expect the WJ Farrell cup to come to the East and reignite Gaelic games in the Crossgar /Saintfield area. These areas have been deprived by the county boards over the years and with more coaching and help these areas could flourish.
I have a sneaky suspicion that Dundrum can take the Fin, Dundrum has championship pedigree at this level and a few cute old foxes who know what it takes to win a junior championship. All the pressure is on the Fin, it should be a clinker.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 05, 2021, 08:28:41 AM
Big word around the County last night was Jimmy McG

Now I can't see it for the simple reason why has he not been announced

With the delay in the announcement it has to be someone involved in finals day

Jim McC no?
Moran yes
Gilligan yes
Adams yes
Mal O Rourke maybe
Cassidy already out so no


Other counties involved in finals
Antrim no
Tyrone no
Armagh no
Cavan no
Fermanagh no


So it has to be from top group that's the only reason for delay

Unless it's someone from
Meath
Dublin
Or that

My clear money is on Mickey Moran it makes sense
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 05, 2021, 08:56:49 AM
The only thing clear is no one has a clue who it is.

3 good games over the weekend, hard to predict the winner from all 3. Kilcoo will probably have too much for Burren, Intermediate in the balance, and Dundrum could cause an upset. Should be interesting.

Some nonsense about referees, Kilcoo, mafia etc the last couple of pages. Keep that for Hoganstand or Snapchat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 05, 2021, 09:41:00 AM
Toals in the Town has installed Sean og as favourite for the Down job after guiding Newry Mitchells to the junior quarter final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on November 05, 2021, 10:52:24 AM
kerr and ryan magill out massive blow for burren. Kilcoo to win easy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on November 06, 2021, 05:24:36 PM
Question for Smurf and the soccer heads from the point when was the last time there was a clean sweep of county titles from south down because I have a feeling all is coming east !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on November 06, 2021, 06:40:50 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on November 06, 2021, 05:24:36 PM
Question for Smurf and the soccer heads from the point when was the last time there was a clean sweep of county titles from south down because I have a feeling all is coming east !!

This aged well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 06, 2021, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on November 06, 2021, 05:24:36 PM
Question for Smurf and the soccer heads from the point when was the last time there was a clean sweep of county titles from south down because I have a feeling all is coming east !!
what's this fascination with south versus east all about?
What a smash and grab win for the kingdom, Darragh cross will be devastated, they had match won comfortably.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 06, 2021, 07:46:41 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 06, 2021, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on November 06, 2021, 05:24:36 PM
Question for Smurf and the soccer heads from the point when was the last time there was a clean sweep of county titles from south down because I have a feeling all is coming east !!
what's this fascination with south versus east all about?
What a smash and grab win for the kingdom, Darragh cross will be devastated, they had match won comfortably.

Stupid comment that keeps getting brought up that East vs South. Glad Kingdom won so that crap gets nipped in the bud
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 06, 2021, 07:54:11 PM
Anyone who believes in the importance/significance/mystical power of a fictional line across our county should be beaten over the head, very hard and very often, with a very solid spade.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on November 06, 2021, 08:04:15 PM
Totally agree.
But South Derry >>>>>>>>> North Derry.

Its much safer to say that in here 😃😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on November 06, 2021, 09:58:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 06, 2021, 07:54:11 PM
Anyone who believes in the importance/significance/mystical power of a fictional line across our county should be beaten over the head, very hard and very often, with a very solid spade.

100% agree the East Down / South Down thing is nonsense. The sooner the divisional boards / committees are dismantled the better as it only perpetuates division. Surely an all county youth committee could run go games and U13 Leagues. From my experience the other underage leagues U15 and U17 have benefited from going all county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on November 07, 2021, 08:37:57 AM
WTF was Paul Falloon doing linesman for last night? The best referee in Down and he's on the line. An insult to the players who train like fk all year and invest. A county final is not a place to give a ref a go. Gribben didn't see the harm in giving the team getting beat a few handy ones last night. Wouldn't have happened if Brannigan or Falloon were on the whistle. Not acceptable!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on November 07, 2021, 12:00:56 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on November 07, 2021, 08:37:57 AM
WTF was Paul Falloon doing linesman for last night? The best referee in Down and he's on the line. An insult to the players who train like fk all year and invest. A county final is not a place to give a ref a go. Gribben didn't see the harm in giving the team getting beat a few handy ones last night. Wouldn't have happened if Brannigan or Falloon were on the whistle. Not acceptable!

As a neutral I thought the ref had a very good game. I think your club bias has prompted such an unwarranted attack on an official which you should retract. If I were a Darragh man this morning I'd be asking questions about the game management of the team, not incorrectly slating a ref who quite frankly did little (to no) wrong. Your keeper had a decent game up until the second goal, it is a cardinal sin to have zero command of your six yard box as a stopper.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on November 07, 2021, 01:01:33 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on November 07, 2021, 08:37:57 AM
WTF was Paul Falloon doing linesman for last night? The best referee in Down and he's on the line. An insult to the players who train like fk all year and invest. A county final is not a place to give a ref a go. Gribben didn't see the harm in giving the team getting beat a few handy ones last night. Wouldn't have happened if Brannigan or Falloon were on the whistle. Not acceptable!

Gribben had a very solid game and was consistent with his decisions on high tackles , over carrying and general fouls . Darragh cross had about 70% possession in the game and should have had it dead and buried . I'd say Paul would be the first man keen to give other referees big games , otherwise how do they progress , sour grapes me thinks after big money management appointments and still no silverware
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on November 07, 2021, 01:45:04 PM
Yeah I'm pretty sure Paul would be first to support others getting a chance. I was told my someone in co board this week that they were pushing the newer refs into bigger games to get them experience for future years. Makes sense when we seen the semi and final appointments. And sure why not 
Conceding two goals in last couple of mins cost them a medal in a game they had full control of for 57 mins. But what a feeling that must be for An Riocht, fair play to them. I hope they enjoy that and move through Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on November 07, 2021, 04:04:20 PM
Kilcoo vastly superior; Burren panicking
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 07, 2021, 04:30:25 PM
O'Rourke not going to be the Down manager then seeing as he's into Ulster Club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: seafoid on November 07, 2021, 05:12:07 PM
Quote from: befair on November 07, 2021, 04:04:20 PM
Kilcoo vastly superior; Burren panicking
Kilcoo's dominance is a disaster at county level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The_big_bad_wolf on November 07, 2021, 06:12:35 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 03, 2021, 11:40:07 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on November 02, 2021, 07:54:15 PM
Johnny, you speak like Kilcoo are the New York mafia. As far as I can see the county board take Kilcoo to task at all times but technicalities seem to get them off the hook. Wouldn't it be better if a leaf was taken out of the Portglenone club, be gracious and go more more dignity.
And I'm fairly sure they don't appoint referees, have you ever read your posts ffs wise up fella. May be you believe your own hype.

Not quite the mafia but they do pull sway.. technicalities - don't make me laugh. Our esteemed county secretary didn't get told to go to his office through Kilkeel and not Kilcoo for the craic. Your 100% they don't appoint referees but they do put in their objections if it's the one who challenges them and ain't afraid of them on the pitch - who then gets verbally abused leaving the pitch and through messages for days on end after the game (Mafia style). But in your eyes they are probably just a small parish of 600 who go to mass and have a few sheep each..

Johnny maybe your a bit like myself and haven't a championship medal to your name, but back in my day if I thought having a few sheep & going to mass would have got me a least one championship medal, I would have been quite happy to do so!   But again a bit of jealous is hard to hide!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 07, 2021, 07:34:03 PM
Three good finals for different reasons.
The Junior was an excellent game with the standard high for Junior football.  Delighted for the Fin but Dundrum gave it a great rattle, Rogers, Venney and McGrattan did well.
Darragh will be devastated after taking their eye off the ball in the last few minutes; fair play to James Colgan who stopped the ball going over from Marcus Miskelly's free, ball went down the field and Conor Doyle reduced it to 5. The two goals reminded us what passion can do in Gaelic football.
As for the Magpies; what can you say? Every man played his part and best of luck in Ulster.
The County board deserve credit for hosting an impressive weekend, the three referees were excellent and Down GAA TV brings another dimension 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on November 07, 2021, 08:03:28 PM
Kilcoo did what they always do by doing just enough today. They identified the weakest and youngest Burren players, tracking them step for step with no opportunity to play or contribute, with these Burren players allowing themselves to be constantly bullied. Danny Magill, Kevin Mc Kernan and Burren's big hope Oran Murdock were taken out of the game. Mc Kernan has always lacked balls against Kilcoo so he is no big surprise but I expected more from Murdock. With no Kerr to break the Kilcoo line, Mc Corry had two weeks to come up with a plan B but there was no evidence of it today. Burren missed a big chance and their management/players can only blame themselves.

Can I also add that Brendan Rice, today's final referee, would do most of their in-house games and gets exceptionally well paid for them. The players know his style of refeering, what he blows and what he lets go, what you can get away with and what you can't. Some advantage to Kilcoo every year and Rice gets a fair few ££ as well. Win Win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 07, 2021, 09:17:50 PM
Quote from: Lotto on November 07, 2021, 08:03:28 PM
Kilcoo did what they always do by doing just enough today. They identified the weakest and youngest Burren players, tracking them step for step with no opportunity to play or contribute, with these Burren players allowing themselves to be constantly bullied. Danny Magill, Kevin Mc Kernan and Burren's big hope Oran Murdock were taken out of the game. Mc Kernan has always lacked balls against Kilcoo so he is no big surprise but I expected more from Murdock. With no Kerr to break the Kilcoo line, Mc Corry had two weeks to come up with a plan B but there was no evidence of it today. Burren missed a big chance and their management/players can only blame themselves.

Can I also add that Brendan Rice, today's final referee, would do most of their in-house games and gets exceptionally well paid for them. The players know his style of refeering, what he blows and what he lets go, what you can get away with and what you can't. Some advantage to Kilcoo every year and Rice gets a fair few ££ as well. Win Win

So do kilcoo pay every ref in the county "exceptionally well" or just Brendan Rice in the hope he gets the final?  :o

What a load of brown!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 07, 2021, 09:44:32 PM
Given the amount of referees they apparently control, Kilcoo must average 6-7 in house games a week.

Congrats to the Magpies.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on November 07, 2021, 09:55:29 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on November 07, 2021, 09:17:50 PM
Quote from: Lotto on November 07, 2021, 08:03:28 PM
Kilcoo did what they always do by doing just enough today. They identified the weakest and youngest Burren players, tracking them step for step with no opportunity to play or contribute, with these Burren players allowing themselves to be constantly bullied. Danny Magill, Kevin Mc Kernan and Burren's big hope Oran Murdock were taken out of the game. Mc Kernan has always lacked balls against Kilcoo so he is no big surprise but I expected more from Murdock. With no Kerr to break the Kilcoo line, Mc Corry had two weeks to come up with a plan B but there was no evidence of it today. Burren missed a big chance and their management/players can only blame themselves.

Can I also add that Brendan Rice, today's final referee, would do most of their in-house games and gets exceptionally well paid for them. The players know his style of refeering, what he blows and what he lets go, what you can get away with and what you can't. Some advantage to Kilcoo every year and Rice gets a fair few ££ as well. Win Win

So do kilcoo pay every ref in the county "exceptionally well" or just Brendan Rice in the hope he gets the final?  :o

What a load of brown!

This year Rice did Kilcoo in the quarter final when Kilcoo played Carryduff, there is absolutely no doubt that he favoured Kilcoo in this game with some very dodgy decisions for them. He will always get semis or finals so they keep the man sweet. As for the brown, it must be in the envelope Roger gives him  8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on November 07, 2021, 10:08:05 PM
Quote from: Lotto on November 07, 2021, 09:55:29 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on November 07, 2021, 09:17:50 PM
Quote from: Lotto on November 07, 2021, 08:03:28 PM
Kilcoo did what they always do by doing just enough today. They identified the weakest and youngest Burren players, tracking them step for step with no opportunity to play or contribute, with these Burren players allowing themselves to be constantly bullied. Danny Magill, Kevin Mc Kernan and Burren's big hope Oran Murdock were taken out of the game. Mc Kernan has always lacked balls against Kilcoo so he is no big surprise but I expected more from Murdock. With no Kerr to break the Kilcoo line, Mc Corry had two weeks to come up with a plan B but there was no evidence of it today. Burren missed a big chance and their management/players can only blame themselves.

Can I also add that Brendan Rice, today's final referee, would do most of their in-house games and gets exceptionally well paid for them. The players know his style of refeering, what he blows and what he lets go, what you can get away with and what you can't. Some advantage to Kilcoo every year and Rice gets a fair few ££ as well. Win Win

So do kilcoo pay every ref in the county "exceptionally well" or just Brendan Rice in the hope he gets the final?  :o

What a load of brown!

This year Rice did Kilcoo in the quarter final when Kilcoo played Carryduff, there is absolutely no doubt that he favoured Kilcoo in this game with some very dodgy decisions for them. He will always get semis or finals so they keep the man sweet. As for the brown, it must be in the envelope Roger gives him  8)

I sense a lot of bitterness here, in no way did I feel that Rice 'favoured' Kilcoo. In fact he blew them up on multiple occasions for time wasting, something that I wish more refs would clamp down on. It was a fairly reffed game and Burren had their fair share of decisions, they were simply outclassed on the day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on November 07, 2021, 10:28:29 PM
Genuinely some shocking comments from Lotto there about B Rice. I know it was designed to bring a response but why anyone would even say something like that is beyond me. Worst thing is that his performance today wasn't event mentioned.
His performance was exactly what you would expect from a referee btw, cut out any bs time wasting and told players to get on with it.
On the match itself, kilcoo just had the players who could finish moves off. Like most of their games this year they looked like they were on the ropes but held on in the end. Hopefully they give Ulster a good rattle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 07, 2021, 11:07:08 PM
Plenty of bitterness about tonight.  Disgraceful post from lotto, Brendan Rice had good game and fact nobody is talking about him says a lot.

Well done to kilcoo, well worthy and deserved champions again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 07, 2021, 11:13:21 PM
Get out and get the boots and whistle on yourself Lotto seeing as you think you can do a better job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on November 07, 2021, 11:17:38 PM
Boys a boys, not a mention of the way Kilcoo played today!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on November 07, 2021, 11:29:30 PM
Quote from: Lotto on November 07, 2021, 08:03:28 PM
Kilcoo did what they always do by doing just enough today. They identified the weakest and youngest Burren players, tracking them step for step with no opportunity to play or contribute, with these Burren players allowing themselves to be constantly bullied. Danny Magill, Kevin Mc Kernan and Burren's big hope Oran Murdock were taken out of the game. Mc Kernan has always lacked balls against Kilcoo so he is no big surprise but I expected more from Murdock. With no Kerr to break the Kilcoo line, Mc Corry had two weeks to come up with a plan B but there was no evidence of it today. Burren missed a big chance and their management/players can only blame themselves.

Can I also add that Brendan Rice, today's final referee, would do most of their in-house games and gets exceptionally well paid for them. The players know his style of refeering, what he blows and what he lets go, what you can get away with and what you can't. Some advantage to Kilcoo every year and Rice gets a fair few ££ as well. Win Win
Every team in Down knows the referees and their styles. What advantages did kilcoo have that Burren didn't have? Lotto take a wee rest and come back with something logical (that will take a while)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on November 07, 2021, 11:53:36 PM
I've been reading the anti Kilcoo bile from lotto and co for some time now and it honestly doesn't affect me anymore.
For the record, Burren scored 4 points from
play and 8 points from frees ( some of the very soft variety) Kilcoo scored 4 from frees and the rest from open play. A bad return for a well paid referee in my opinion!!
Rice had opportunity's to gave a penalty to both Kilcoo and Burren in 1st half but gave neither.
He hurried the Kilcoo keeper in his kick outs from 20 minutes and that placed unnecessary pressure on keeper for the remainder of the game. Same wasn't applied to Burren.
All said, I felt Kilcoo were the better footballing team and had we not lost Dabs there would have been 8/10points in it.
Another point, 9 Kilcoo players picked up their tenth championship medal today to equal the great Shorty Trainor (correct me if I'm wrong).
I'm a very proud Magpie tonight, I'd have given my arm to witness them winning 1 championship but this is the stuff of dreams.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 07, 2021, 11:53:49 PM
Congrats Óglach. As a neutral I would like to thank all clubs , officials  , media And county board for making it such a special weekend . Though fair play to An Riocht and their management , genuinely gutted for Darragh who are great team and club , with a brilliant future ahead of them.
Kilcoo are some outfit , ultimately they just had more quality than Burren. Good luck to all teams in Ulster.
I think most of us would agree that Personalised Comments above re managers and referees should be treated with the contempt they deserve. Let's concentrate on savouring superb championships .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 07, 2021, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: Lotto on November 07, 2021, 11:17:38 PM
Boys a boys, not a mention of the way Kilcoo played today!
kilcoo played well today, on top on most areas of the field and probably better than the 2 points they had on the scoreboard. Don't let the bitterness blind you..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 07, 2021, 11:57:06 PM
Well done to Kilcoo and the other winners over the weekend
Deserved that win today

Expect the Down manager to be announced Wednesday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on November 08, 2021, 08:05:07 AM
Kilcoo excellent yesterday. Dont win by much but dominate the games. Burren didnt do much to creat them problems at all. Poor from mccorry who should have known everything about kilcoo. Burren just did not look like winning or going infront at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 08, 2021, 08:17:53 AM
McCorry didn't bring anything to the Burren table this year
In the biggest of big games it was the same old from Burren
Why not try something different
Is that not why these big managers are brought in

Expect Jim McG and Stephen Poacher to be named doll as the Down management as soon as tomorrow if word is right. Fully founded by our sponsors
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 08, 2021, 09:01:55 AM
Quote from: Oglach on November 07, 2021, 11:53:36 PM
I've been reading the anti Kilcoo bile from lotto and co for some time now and it honestly doesn't affect me anymore.
For the record, Burren scored 4 points from
play and 8 points from frees ( some of the very soft variety) Kilcoo scored 4 from frees and the rest from open play. A bad return for a well paid referee in my opinion!!
Rice had opportunity's to gave a penalty to both Kilcoo and Burren in 1st half but gave neither.
He hurried the Kilcoo keeper in his kick outs from 20 minutes and that placed unnecessary pressure on keeper for the remainder of the game. Same wasn't applied to Burren.
All said, I felt Kilcoo were the better footballing team and had we not lost Dabs there would have been 8/10points in it.
Another point, 9 Kilcoo players picked up their tenth championship medal today to equal the great Shorty Trainor (correct me if I'm wrong).
I'm a very proud Magpie tonight, I'd have given my arm to witness them winning 1 championship but this is the stuff of dreams.

Congraulations Oglach, in relation to the 9 players , can you tell us how many played in the 10 finals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on November 08, 2021, 09:35:16 AM
Two Kilcoo players played in all 10 finals.
Paul Devlin and Conor Laverty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 08, 2021, 09:41:13 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 08, 2021, 08:17:53 AM
McCorry didn't bring anything to the Burren table this year
In the biggest of big games it was the same old from Burren
Why not try something different
Is that not why these big managers are brought in

Expect Jim McG and Stephen Poacher to be named doll as the Down management as soon as tomorrow if word is right. Fully founded by our sponsors

Am not sure exactly what McCorry could have done.  He finished with a better team than he started with Toner, Trainor and McArdle all making an impact.  These guys were obviously not fit to start otherwise they would have.  Add to this the the obvious miss of Kerr and Foy and that is a 3rd of a starting team.  Lotto may also be forgetting that Murdock is 18 years of old along with a couple of the other lads so they have time on their side and their day will come.

Congratulations to Kilcoo, Ryan Johnston is a joy to watch in full flow and hopefully him and his brothers will be back for Down next year and we arent good enough not to have these boys around.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 08, 2021, 09:53:41 AM
Quote from: Oglach on November 08, 2021, 09:35:16 AM
Two Kilcoo players played in all 10 finals.
Paul Devlin and Conor Laverty.

Thought that Aiden played in 10 but you know better. I knew Niall Mc took a year out and Jerome and Ryan were injured one year. Thanks for this. Devlin and Laverty equalling Shortys record is some going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 08, 2021, 10:00:55 AM
Quote from: Oglach on November 08, 2021, 09:35:16 AM
Two Kilcoo players played in all 10 finals.
Paul Devlin and Conor Laverty.

Incredible achievement to actually feature and contribute to winning 10 championships. The dedication and consistency of performances is just something else. And obviously those others who contributed as part of the panels over the years too. As hard as it can be to watch the same team win every year (and yes we all gripe a bit about their antics at times, but they push the limits to win) nobody can say it isn't hard earned. With their experience of winning Ulster already, I doubt many would want to face them even if they haven't blown anyone away yet (maybe as they didn't need to).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 08, 2021, 10:07:10 AM
I was speaking to a few Darrah men yesterday and gutted is not the word for men, it was the biggest stealing of a football match in years but they have some great players and they will be back, Down TV is a great tool and it's great to be able to watch games that you cannot get to. The Fin were well worth their win but credit to Dundrum who put up one hell of a fight. Big Walsh is some stalwart for them.
Kilcoo grinded out another win and once they got the goal , Burren was always chasing. I thought Brendan Rice had a good game but the Burren men can feel aggrieved about the advantage which most likely would have been a goal. They will be big favourites for Ulster now after the results yesterday, this Maghera team seem to be worth a watching as they dismantled the Loup and Slaughtneil with ease. I would imagine them and possibly Scotstown and Cross could give them a game. I know Kilcoo might be saying they are not looking that far but there is a great chance of winning an all Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on November 08, 2021, 10:56:36 AM
10 championships is some going!

What's the story with Darragh O'Hanlon at the minute?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 08, 2021, 11:08:33 AM
Jimmys winning matches Jimmys winning games!!

Please be an announcement this week, its beyond a joke now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on November 08, 2021, 11:51:00 AM
Quote from: knockitdown on November 07, 2021, 09:17:50 PM
Quote from: Lotto on November 07, 2021, 08:03:28 PM
Kilcoo did what they always do by doing just enough today. They identified the weakest and youngest Burren players, tracking them step for step with no opportunity to play or contribute, with these Burren players allowing themselves to be constantly bullied. Danny Magill, Kevin Mc Kernan and Burren's big hope Oran Murdock were taken out of the game. Mc Kernan has always lacked balls against Kilcoo so he is no big surprise but I expected more from Murdock. With no Kerr to break the Kilcoo line, Mc Corry had two weeks to come up with a plan B but there was no evidence of it today. Burren missed a big chance and their management/players can only blame themselves.

Can I also add that Brendan Rice, today's final referee, would do most of their in-house games and gets exceptionally well paid for them. The players know his style of refeering, what he blows and what he lets go, what you can get away with and what you can't. Some advantage to Kilcoo every year and Rice gets a fair few ££ as well. Win Win

So do kilcoo pay every ref in the county "exceptionally well" or just Brendan Rice in the hope he gets the final?  :o

What a load of brown!

I thought Odhran Murdock had a very good game not even taking into consideration his age. Taking his age into the equation then he had a very good game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on November 08, 2021, 01:37:45 PM
Daryl Branagan will be a big loss going forward in Ulster, Along with Darren O'Hagan, the outstanding club player in Down for years. Kerr was a big loss for Burren, but they were really very disappointing, seemed to be in awe of Kilcoo from the very start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 08, 2021, 01:58:35 PM
who was the top scorer in each of the championship does anyone know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on November 08, 2021, 03:32:47 PM
Let's face it, no other team in this county has the balls to beat Kilcoo when it matters. Fair play to the Magpies yesterday, always just do enough. If they needed another score or another gear even they'd have found it. Doesn't matter how good or bad a team is against them, they'll always win by 1/2 and sail on. Hope they give Ulster a good run, Think they'll find Ulster a much more difficult proposition this year to navigate though. Cross (More than likely), Watty Gs and a couple others are stronger than the teams they faced last year. If D Brannigan is out, they've no chance IMO but hopefully he's not too bad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 08, 2021, 04:39:32 PM
Quote from: upandwin on November 08, 2021, 03:32:47 PM
Let's face it, no other team in this county has the balls to beat Kilcoo when it matters. Fair play to the Magpies yesterday, always just do enough. If they needed another score or another gear even they'd have found it. Doesn't matter how good or bad a team is against them, they'll always win by 1/2 and sail on. Hope they give Ulster a good run, Think they'll find Ulster a much more difficult proposition this year to navigate though. Cross (More than likely), Watty Gs and a couple others are stronger than the teams they faced last year. If D Brannigan is out, they've no chance IMO but hopefully he's not too bad.

This s a rare statement... you just need to outplay them to beat them.. that's the difficult part - no team can do that.. I don't think any team backs down from them or pulls outta going for balls during games etc..
knew Rice would do them a few favours - and he did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 08, 2021, 06:12:13 PM
I take all back regarding the selection process for the Down managers job

Jimmy is winning matches

The biggest and most exciting choice we have had in a very long time

He will shake things up in Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 08, 2021, 07:13:17 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 08, 2021, 08:17:53 AM
McCorry didn't bring anything to the Burren table this year
In the biggest of big games it was the same old from Burren
Why not try something different
Is that not why these big managers are brought in

Expect Jim McG and Stephen Poacher to be named doll as the Down management as soon as tomorrow if word is right. Fully founded by our sponsors
...fully founded🤪
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 08, 2021, 08:06:36 PM
Maybe we just aren't fielding next year? Could be the reason why we've no manager announced
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on November 08, 2021, 08:14:41 PM
I just cannot see McGuinness coming to take Down. As much as I think he'd be successful I just don't see him coming. Journey time every session - 3 hours or more each way?

Well done to Kilcoo, whatever style is needed they have it and that's not me being negative. Winners adapt to their surroundings and I don't think any team in Down would beat them, even in 'their day'. Hope they had a good night but now focus on Ulster. Some very good teams in there, hopefully get a bit of airtime on TV3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 08, 2021, 08:54:25 PM
TV3 not known for their coverage of Gaelic games but should see them on TG4, don't you think the changing rooms should have been open yesterday, anyway congrats to Kilcoo, probably just about deserving winners in what was a poor enough final, as for the Mc Guinness rumours, they're gathering pace but would be very surprised if it happens, must tx Dan Strain!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 08, 2021, 09:34:24 PM
Benny Coulter in with Rostrevor for next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on November 08, 2021, 10:47:15 PM
Rice had nothing to do with the outcome of that final. Burren ones can't accept that Kilcoo are too good for everyone else...get over it. Kerr and Foy massive misses but so was dabs and a Dylan Ward and PD not played most of the year, we all have our excuses.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 09, 2021, 07:09:56 AM
McGuinness would bring that much needed lift that the county needs
He would also get all the best players in Down playing
He would demand total commitment from the players
What an appointment if true
It's certainly gathering pace which seems to be coming from the big money man in Darragh Cross
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 09, 2021, 08:58:28 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on November 08, 2021, 08:14:41 PM
I just cannot see McGuinness coming to take Down. As much as I think he'd be successful I just don't see him coming. Journey time every session - 3 hours or more each way?

Well done to Kilcoo, whatever style is needed they have it and that's not me being negative. Winners adapt to their surroundings and I don't think any team in Down would beat them, even in 'their day'. Hope they had a good night but now focus on Ulster. Some very good teams in there, hopefully get a bit of airtime on TV3.

Are you drunk? The great Burren team would take them by a point or two, in saying that Shorty and Tommy McGovern must be near 60.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 09, 2021, 10:00:47 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 09, 2021, 07:09:56 AM
McGuinness would bring that much needed lift that the county needs
He would also get all the best players in Down playing
He would demand total commitment from the players
What an appointment if true
It's certainly gathering pace which seems to be coming from the big money man in Darragh Cross
Gathering pace?? It's only you saying it . It would be some shock if Jim mcguinness took the Down job. A miracle even.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 09, 2021, 10:50:16 AM
I was speaking with a prominent East Down board official just now and he informed me that there is no county meeting arranged this week. But relax lads we have plenty of time. We will havesomeone in place by Christmas. We are the laughing stock of Ireland. Armagh is away on training weekends already. Light year behind, we need a root and branch clear our at the county convention and we need new blood in to shake the thing up. The status quo is not working.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 09, 2021, 11:35:34 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 09, 2021, 10:50:16 AM
I was speaking with a prominent East Down board official just now and he informed me that there is no county meeting arranged this week. But relax lads we have plenty of time. We will havesomeone in place by Christmas. We are the laughing stock of Ireland. Armagh is away on training weekends already. Light year behind, we need a root and branch clear our at the county convention and we need new blood in to shake the thing up. The status quo is not working.

To bring a bit of reality to the debate, TH I haven't heard anyone saying recently that We are a laughing stock . We are div 2 in football and hurling , we are ulster u20f champions, our county champions were in AI final last year. We have had a brilliant championship , and a high powered team put in place for Ballykinlar . Yes we have had challenging times in recent years , but there are several positives and reasons to be confident about our future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on November 09, 2021, 11:50:45 AM
Quote from: SamFever on November 08, 2021, 10:05:37 PM
Quote from: Targetman on November 08, 2021, 08:54:25 PM
TV3 not known for their coverage of Gaelic games but should see them on TG4, don't you think the changing rooms should have been open yesterday, anyway congrats to Kilcoo, probably just about deserving winners in what was a poor enough final, as for the Mc Guinness rumours, they're gathering pace but would be very surprised if it happens, must tx Dan Strain!!
It'll not be Dan who'll be "founded" it.

Plus their sponsorship is up at year end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 09, 2021, 12:27:35 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 09, 2021, 11:35:34 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 09, 2021, 10:50:16 AM
I was speaking with a prominent East Down board official just now and he informed me that there is no county meeting arranged this week. But relax lads we have plenty of time. We will havesomeone in place by Christmas. We are the laughing stock of Ireland. Armagh is away on training weekends already. Light year behind, we need a root and branch clear our at the county convention and we need new blood in to shake the thing up. The status quo is not working.

To bring a bit of reality to the debate, TH I haven't heard anyone saying recently that We are a laughing stock . We are div 2 in football and hurling , we are ulster u20f champions, our county champions were in AI final last year. We have had a brilliant championship , and a high powered team put in place for Ballykinlar . Yes we have had challenging times in recent years , but there are several positives and reasons to be confident about our future.

why do we not have an intercounty manager in place 8 weeks before championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on November 09, 2021, 12:56:14 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 09, 2021, 12:27:35 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on November 09, 2021, 11:35:34 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 09, 2021, 10:50:16 AM
I was speaking with a prominent East Down board official just now and he informed me that there is no county meeting arranged this week. But relax lads we have plenty of time. We will havesomeone in place by Christmas. We are the laughing stock of Ireland. Armagh is away on training weekends already. Light year behind, we need a root and branch clear our at the county convention and we need new blood in to shake the thing up. The status quo is not working.

To bring a bit of reality to the debate, TH I haven't heard anyone saying recently that We are a laughing stock . We are div 2 in football and hurling , we are ulster u20f champions, our county champions were in AI final last year. We have had a brilliant championship , and a high powered team put in place for Ballykinlar . Yes we have had challenging times in recent years , but there are several positives and reasons to be confident about our future.

why do we not have an intercounty manager in place 8 weeks before championship

Presumably because those charged with getting the best management possible going forward are constrained by many good managers/coaches  involved with clubs. We want the best management not the quickest appointment. I'd be confident that the  delay indicates they are doing things right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on November 09, 2021, 01:08:21 PM
As if Down didn't play shite enough to begin with, the management position is being linked with Jim McGuinness. God help down football if he comes in the door
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the goal was on on November 09, 2021, 01:25:11 PM
Down have been working past few weeks to gather the huge fee Jim gas put on table . 1/4 of a million . Staggering but he's got all the cards on this one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on November 09, 2021, 01:29:26 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on November 09, 2021, 01:08:21 PM
As if Down didn't play shite enough to begin with, the management position is being linked with Jim McGuinness. God help down football if he comes in the door
The Irish News understands negotiations are at an advanced stage and that Conor Laverty and Jim McGuinness could be set to pair up alongside Marty Clarke as Down's new management team #GAA
https://t.co/WUAr2ItApR
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 09, 2021, 01:29:44 PM
Irish news reporting mcguinness and laverty as breaking news. Wow massive if this is true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 09, 2021, 02:03:53 PM
If Jack and Sean og pull this off I will run around Seaforde in a "I love Sean og" tee shirt and only the "I love Sean og" tee shirt.

PS I love Sean og
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blowitupref on November 09, 2021, 02:05:48 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 09, 2021, 01:29:44 PM
Irish news reporting mcguinness and laverty as breaking news. Wow massive if this is true.

Going by that piece Laverty will be manager with Jim McGuinness with some backroom role?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on November 09, 2021, 02:28:18 PM
People creaming themselves cos they see an all Ireland on his CV. The same people who also give off about defensive 15 men behind the ball type of anti football. Shameless.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 09, 2021, 02:49:01 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 09, 2021, 02:31:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 09, 2021, 02:03:53 PM
If Jack and Sean og pull this off I will run around Seaforde in a "I love Sean og" tee shirt and only the "I love Sean og" tee shirt.

PS I love Sean og
Why Seaforde and not Helen's Bay or Clough? I like that one about a prominent East Down Board member. Two things wrong with that.There are no Divisional Boards anymore nor is anyone from whatever it is in East Down prominent.

Yes there is a East Down board with a lot of hard working individuals. No need for the typical south Down arrogance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 10, 2021, 09:09:36 AM
I think that was all rumours yesterday, we are fecked people, fecked
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the goal was on on November 10, 2021, 12:29:01 PM
Looks more and more like it's just an advisory type role for Jim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 10, 2021, 12:35:36 PM
What's the most intense club rivalry in Down? Kilcoo/Clonduff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on November 10, 2021, 01:23:05 PM
An Riocht/Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on November 10, 2021, 02:22:13 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on November 10, 2021, 02:19:09 PM
God is arriving soon.

Are yous linked with Canavan now??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 10, 2021, 03:58:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on November 10, 2021, 02:22:13 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on November 10, 2021, 02:19:09 PM
God is arriving soon.

Are yous linked with Canavan now??

Canavan would be a better option IMO but I know SFA about the big ball.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 10, 2021, 04:15:36 PM
its becoming a pisstake now and the top brass need to make a statement soon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 10, 2021, 04:58:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 10, 2021, 04:15:36 PM
its becoming a pisstake now and the top brass need to make a statement soon
It's Down. Hardly surprising.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 10, 2021, 06:18:25 PM
Yep it's a piss take at this stage

Asked about 10 people who obviously were not interested so went back to Laverty who tried to get Jim MG as the big name which has backfired

Conor Laverty to now be installed as manager with maybe Moran Gilligan on board
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 10, 2021, 07:03:06 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 10, 2021, 06:18:25 PM
Yep it's a piss take at this stage

Asked about 10 people who obviously were not interested so went back to Laverty who tried to get Jim MG as the big name which has backfired

Conor Laverty to now be installed as manager with maybe Moran Gilligan on board

If u think Moran is going to go from managing Laverty at club level to being his assistant at county, your badly mistaken
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 10, 2021, 08:05:23 PM
On the club scene Niall Mc Aleenan's the new Granemore manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 10, 2021, 09:10:32 PM
Laverty and Clarke are mad to touch that job. They would serve the county better by staying with the u20s for another year or 2 and then raking the step up. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 10, 2021, 09:18:42 PM
Why take Laverty and Clarke away from the great work they are doing with the under 20s
Very very short sighted from our County Board
The first winning underage set up in years now we are going to pull it apart to step up to a position that is all over the show
At this late stage they would be safer getting James McCartan or Paddy O Rourke in to get us through next year whilst they sort themselves out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 10, 2021, 10:39:44 PM
POR away to Carryduff apparently
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on November 10, 2021, 10:40:17 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 10, 2021, 09:10:32 PM
Laverty and Clarke are mad to touch that job. They would serve the county better by staying with the u20s for another year or 2 and then raking the step up.
I have to agree with this....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 10, 2021, 10:42:44 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on November 10, 2021, 10:40:17 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on November 10, 2021, 09:10:32 PM
Laverty and Clarke are mad to touch that job. They would serve the county better by staying with the u20s for another year or 2 and then raking the step up.
I have to agree with this....

Why is there a general consensus that this year's u20s can emulate / kick on from last year. Surely it'll be a very different team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on November 11, 2021, 07:32:36 AM
Question for all the experts in the know on this forum, who leaked the McGuinness story , who ever it is should be invited by the county board to be our next PRO, lots of people got played, texts flying back and forth and we still don't have a senior football management team in place, whoever it is will have a little pressure to be a success, and what would those expectations be?
Congrats Kilcoo, the Finn, commiserations Darragh, can see Kilcoo winning Ulster if key players stay fit, An Riocht and the Finn  give it a good go and who knows, new journey no expectations - good luck to all three.
Right Sean og and co, put us out of our misery, this messin about isn't the Down Way!! LOL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 11, 2021, 08:09:00 AM
McGuinness has played everyone here
Third week of November next week and we still haven't got a manager
Al joking aside and I have fired out some ridiculous names but it's really time Down had a manager in place
Conor Laverty seems now to be the choice it's whether he can gather a strong support team around him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on November 11, 2021, 08:45:53 AM
Pete mcgrath will end up as manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 11, 2021, 08:49:33 AM
Club managers

Kilcoo Moran
Burren McCorry
Clonduff McBride
Mayobridge hearing Bernie Ruane/Mussen have been approached
Ballyholland Lynch?
CPN Mulholland
Loughinisland DJ o toole
Carryduff Paddy O Rourke
Rostrevor Benny Coulter
Castlewellan Mickey McVeigh
Downpatrick Gracey
Bryansford Ambrose R


Glenn Kennedy
Longstone??
Saul Fegan
Liatrom Fitzpatrick
Saval Ronan Sexton
Darragh Cross DJ
Annaclone Seamy Quinn
An Riocht John Clarke

A lot of movement
Bernie and Mussen wil finish out ulster first
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on November 11, 2021, 09:22:34 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 11, 2021, 08:49:33 AM
Club managers

Kilcoo Moran
Burren McCorry
Clonduff McBride
Mayobridge hearing Bernie Ruane/Mussen have been approached
Ballyholland Lynch?
CPN Mulholland
Loughinisland DJ o toole
Carryduff Paddy O Rourke
Rostrevor Benny Coulter
Castlewellan Mickey McVeigh
Downpatrick Gracey
Bryansford Ambrose R


Glenn Kennedy
Longstone??
Saul Fegan
Liatrom Fitzpatrick
Saval Ronan Sexton
Darragh Cross DJ
Annaclone Seamy Quinn
An Riocht John Clarke

A lot of movement
Bernie and Mussen wil finish out ulster first

Some man for one man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on November 11, 2021, 09:53:09 AM
How does everyone see next year panning out in the leagues? Any surprise packages on the horizon, clubs on the rise?

I can see a new wave of Burren dominance coming for the next decade or more with too much talent coming through at underage, it's going to be a serious dilemma for their senior managers to keep players happy and you can't play them all. Kilcoo got their last championship for a while this year I think, Burren just missing their two best players, otherwise it'd have been a very different outcome. Clonduff don't have the bite to win Frank I don't think, IMO they'll be a good competitive team for the next 5/6yrs but can't see them getting past any of the big teams. Warrenpoint are a spent force, they are ageing and will be lucky to stay up next season in Div1 but their race is run and they've missed the chance to win one. Next year will be two mini leagues in Down, Burren/Kilcoo/Clonduff/Bridge/Carryduff and then the rest scrapping it out.

Div2 should be Longstone's to lose. Benny taking Rostrevor is a mental move IMO, surely he'd have been better staying with the stone for another year and getting promoted. He must think there's an Ulster IFC on the horizon. Rostrevor people I've spoken to are confident of a rebuild under BC, apparently there's a red moon rising and they're very confident of waltzing an Intermediate next year and will do enough to finish mid table in Division 1. Fair play to them because any time I saw them this year they were in a bad way.

Will Laverty and co. continue on for another season in the black and white or is ten the right time to step away? Be very afraid of Burren coming strong now lads....you heard it here, they'll win it all next year and could go the season unbeaten in 2022 league and championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 11, 2021, 10:21:19 AM
Quote from: upandwin on November 11, 2021, 09:53:09 AM
How does everyone see next year panning out in the leagues? Any surprise packages on the horizon, clubs on the rise?

I can see a new wave of Burren dominance coming for the next decade or more with too much talent coming through at underage, it's going to be a serious dilemma for their senior managers to keep players happy and you can't play them all. Kilcoo got their last championship for a while this year I think, Burren just missing their two best players, otherwise it'd have been a very different outcome. Clonduff don't have the bite to win Frank I don't think, IMO they'll be a good competitive team for the next 5/6yrs but can't see them getting past any of the big teams. Warrenpoint are a spent force, they are ageing and will be lucky to stay up next season in Div1 but their race is run and they've missed the chance to win one. Next year will be two mini leagues in Down, Burren/Kilcoo/Clonduff/Bridge/Carryduff and then the rest scrapping it out.

Div2 should be Longstone's to lose. Benny taking Rostrevor is a mental move IMO, surely he'd have been better staying with the stone for another year and getting promoted. He must think there's an Ulster IFC on the horizon. Rostrevor people I've spoken to are confident of a rebuild under BC, apparently there's a red moon rising and they're very confident of waltzing an Intermediate next year and will do enough to finish mid table in Division 1. Fair play to them because any time I saw them this year they were in a bad way.

Will Laverty and co. continue on for another season in the black and white or is ten the right time to step away? Be very afraid of Burren coming strong now lads....you heard it here, they'll win it all next year and could go the season unbeaten in 2022 league and championship.

Burren definitely won't clean up everything in the next few years but they should win a few championships, but you have to remember that they have had strong underage teams the last number of years and I am sure they are losing plenty of players. Burren is a great club but they tarnish themselves by taking players from the Point, Saval, Ballyholland, and Mayobridge parishes. With 2 underage teams at every age group, it would be impossible not to be a success at the senior level. I cannot see much underage success with Kilcoo at A level for a while but they always take a few through each year. Ballyholland seems to be on the horizon with underage successes as too are the Bridge and Bryansford. The problem in Down is that at A level in Down at underage we have the same teams competing Burren, Kilcoo, Mayobridge, Clonduff, Ballyholland, Bredagh, Carryduff, and Bryansford. There will be a good team come up the odd time but the general rule of thumb is that those 8 clubs are usually in the top divisions. We need more clubs to break that stranglehold and to break into the A division. I would like to see that happening more in the Town clubs as they have the numbers. Lurgan is an example of hard work in an urban area, We need to look at their model and see how they are such a success.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on November 11, 2021, 11:40:43 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 11, 2021, 08:49:33 AM
Club managers

Kilcoo Moran
Burren McCorry
Clonduff McBride
Mayobridge hearing Bernie Ruane/Mussen have been approached
Ballyholland Lynch?
CPN Mulholland
Loughinisland DJ o toole
Carryduff Paddy O Rourke
Rostrevor Benny Coulter
Castlewellan Mickey McVeigh
Downpatrick Gracey
Bryansford Ambrose R


Glenn Kennedy
Longstone??
Saul Fegan
Liatrom Fitzpatrick
Saval Ronan Sexton
Darragh Cross DJ
Annaclone Seamy Quinn
An Riocht John Clarke

A lot of movement
Bernie and Mussen wil finish out ulster first

There's no other way to put this smurfy, you talk absolute shite! Some amount of made up lies there lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 11, 2021, 11:43:16 AM
The Duffin's away to Loughinisland

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on November 11, 2021, 12:12:43 PM
Im hearing pete mcgrath is seriously being considered as the new down boss now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 11, 2021, 12:17:44 PM
Laura Kuinsberg quoting a Downing source that EU talks  with UK on NI Protocol have been put on hold as Lord Frost and Maros Sefcovic have joined forces to try and get the Down Managers Job sorted before Christmas.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 11, 2021, 12:25:00 PM
Would Pete take it is the question?
Maybe Pete as manager and Laverty and Clarke in as coaches but still over the 20s
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on November 11, 2021, 01:35:35 PM
Smurphy on the beer again... The fcukin Sun wouldnt print as much trash!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on November 11, 2021, 02:59:13 PM
From what i seen of down championship players that should be called up
Jerome, Ryan, Shealan Johnston, Micheal Rooney kilcoo
Oran Murdock, Danny magill burren
Loughran from Ballyholand
Close from clonduff
Adam Lynch, Donach McAleenan point
Shane Annett,  Smyth mayobridge
Ronan Beatty cduff
Ruari O'Hare saul
Ronan Mccarthy saval
Murdock Rostrevor
Mcpolin DGath
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 11, 2021, 08:20:06 PM
Quote from: upandwin on November 11, 2021, 09:53:09 AM
How does everyone see next year panning out in the leagues? Any surprise packages on the horizon, clubs on the rise?

I can see a new wave of Burren dominance coming for the next decade or more with too much talent coming through at underage, it's going to be a serious dilemma for their senior managers to keep players happy and you can't play them all. Kilcoo got their last championship for a while this year I think, Burren just missing their two best players, otherwise it'd have been a very different outcome. Clonduff don't have the bite to win Frank I don't think, IMO they'll be a good competitive team for the next 5/6yrs but can't see them getting past any of the big teams. Warrenpoint are a spent force, they are ageing and will be lucky to stay up next season in Div1 but their race is run and they've missed the chance to win one. Next year will be two mini leagues in Down, Burren/Kilcoo/Clonduff/Bridge/Carryduff and then the rest scrapping it out.

Div2 should be Longstone's to lose. Benny taking Rostrevor is a mental move IMO, surely he'd have been better staying with the stone for another year and getting promoted. He must think there's an Ulster IFC on the horizon. Rostrevor people I've spoken to are confident of a rebuild under BC, apparently there's a red moon rising and they're very confident of waltzing an Intermediate next year and will do enough to finish mid table in Division 1. Fair play to them because any time I saw them this year they were in a bad way.

Will Laverty and co. continue on for another season in the black and white or is ten the right time to step away? Be very afraid of Burren coming strong now lads....you heard it here, they'll win it all next year and could go the season unbeaten in 2022 league and championship.

The biggest load of nonsense in a while, and that's saying something.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 11, 2021, 09:23:09 PM
So our old mentor has headed to Armagh club football for the next while.. I thought for sure he would pick up a club in down with all the vacancies out there..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on November 11, 2021, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 11, 2021, 09:23:09 PM
So our old mentor has headed to Armagh club football for the next while.. I thought for sure he would pick up a club in down with all the vacancies out there..
Oil £££'s pay is better
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 12, 2021, 08:33:04 AM
Laverty and Clarke to be announced soon

I think both are terrific but to take that team away from the under 20s is very short sighted

We are trying to fix things from the top instead of fixing them from the bottom up

Get the foundations right

Last seasons 20s was a small stop in the right direction
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 12, 2021, 08:39:28 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 12, 2021, 08:33:04 AM
Laverty and Clarke to be announced soon

I think both are terrific but to take that team away from the under 20s is very short sighted

We are trying to fix things from the top instead of fixing them from the bottom up

Get the foundations right

Last seasons 20s was a small stop in the right direction

If you want to fix things from the bottom up then you don't start with u20s.

Again, why is GAAboard so convinced that this year's crop of u20s can emulate last year's?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 12, 2021, 09:43:42 AM
Would there not be a decent percentage of last years under 20's still around ?

Most of that good Burren underage team should all be around the 19 mark by then too.  I know they didn't do themselves justice at minor level but there should be the basis of a decent side there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 12, 2021, 10:12:29 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 12, 2021, 09:43:42 AM
Would there not be a decent percentage of last years under 20's still around ?

Most of that good Burren underage team should all be around the 19 mark by then too.  I know they didn't do themselves justice at minor level but there should be the basis of a decent side there.

That's kind of my point WGM, there seems to be an assumption that a lot of the squad is returning. Which might be true. But there won't be a lot of starters returning.

Off the top of my head (and this me trying to remember minor teams from 3 years ago) from those who featured last year I think Odhran Murdock, Paddy McCarthy, one of the Magills, John McGovern, are back. Maybe Sean Og McCusker too. And I'd expect that Murdock will be drafted into senior Down set up ASAP.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on November 12, 2021, 10:50:23 AM
I would hope the seniors would leave the likes of Murdock alone for at least another year.

Would the minor team from 3 years ago not have been rated as one of the favourites for Ulster ? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 12, 2021, 11:06:48 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 12, 2021, 10:12:29 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on November 12, 2021, 09:43:42 AM
Would there not be a decent percentage of last years under 20's still around ?

Most of that good Burren underage team should all be around the 19 mark by then too.  I know they didn't do themselves justice at minor level but there should be the basis of a decent side there.

That's kind of my point WGM, there seems to be an assumption that a lot of the squad is returning. Which might be true. But there won't be a lot of starters returning.

Off the top of my head (and this me trying to remember minor teams from 3 years ago) from those who featured last year I think Odhran Murdock, Paddy McCarthy, one of the Magills, John McGovern, are back. Maybe Sean Og McCusker too. And I'd expect that Murdock will be drafted into senior Down set up ASAP.

We know only a few of these players are eligible again next year. But how would Conor Deegan have done with that group??? The 2 lads had that team playing a great brand of football. And had they taken their  chances against Roscommon they would've been in the final.  Would it not be seen as aolus having guys coming through to senior playing a brand of football at u20 that could then be replicated when some of them come through to senior in a year or 2 under laverty and Clarke. Who will they give the U20 job to now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 12, 2021, 11:51:31 AM
I'm in no way trying to diminish the role of management here, but hear me out.

Describing Laverty and Clarke as having a clear "brand of football" based on watching one u20 campaign is quite far fetched. They picked up a team loaded with ball-carrying pace, and to play anything other than ball-carrying football would have been truly daft. Both men are too clever (from what I can gauge) to take the same approach again for 2022, unless the players fit that approach.

And would they further replicate it in senior football? I'd say not a chance. U20 is closer to u17 football in terms of physicality and presence, than it is to senior.

How would Deegan have done with that group? Who knows? The feedback from his tenure certainly wasn't great. But anytime the luck of the draw throws up a path to a championship that consists of Cavan, Fermanagh, Monaghan, I'd be hopeful that a Down team with no management at all could go close. This is no disrespect to those counties (especially Monaghan). But not having to play either Donegal or Tyrone is a rare and gleeful opportunity.

As for would the minor team of 3 years ago not been among the favourites? Again, who knows? Without the benefit of a further year to allow for late bloomers, and a year less of MacRory to analyse, the U17 is even more difficult to assess than minor was.

——

Not trying to piss on anyone's parades about Clarke and Laverty. But in underage ranks, anyone who really believes that a manager is more important than the crop of players available, needs their heads looked at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 12, 2021, 07:44:01 PM
Wise up wobbs. Get on board the hype machine. Laverty walks on water and Clarke is the second coming. End of story.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on November 12, 2021, 08:31:37 PM
Danny Hughes, Stevie Kearney and Jim Gavin new saval managers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on November 12, 2021, 08:47:33 PM
Seen there's an u20 comp starting this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on November 12, 2021, 09:56:21 PM
Johnnysboys post pulled and poster warned. 

Fairly close to getting banned...next move up to him/her.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on November 12, 2021, 09:57:55 PM
Well done Mod. Awful statement
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mauricemoss on November 13, 2021, 12:46:29 AM
Rotten to the core with a comment like that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 13, 2021, 01:29:21 AM
Disgusting comment
I might talk crap on here but do sometimes have a good laugh at posts but that was disgusting
Vile
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 13, 2021, 01:06:53 PM
Alok Sharma has just announced at COP26.5 in Glasgow that the UN is on course for net zero Carbon emissions before Down appoint the new Manager. Says it will be tight but with a bug push it is achievable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownbutnotOut on November 13, 2021, 07:03:38 PM
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Conor Laverty will not be next Down manager

Updated / Saturday, 13 Nov 2021 17:49

Conor Laverty will not succeed Paddy Tally as Down manager

By Niall McCoy

RTÉ Sport journalist

Conor Laverty will not be the next Down manager, RTÉ Sport can confirm.

When contacted about his reported links to the position by RTÉ Sport, the Kilcoo man confirmed that his focus was instead on his club's Ulster quarter-final with the Cavan champions next month.

"We have a very important couple of weeks' training ahead and are really looking forward to the challenge."

The 36-year-old had been heavily linked to the Mourne county job this week along with Jim McGuinness and Martin Clarke, but he will instead remain on with their U20s. McGuinness distanced himself from a coaching role with Down earlier in the week in an interview with the Irish Times while Clarke will also not be involved in any new management team.

"I am delighted that I have been ratified to continue as Down U20 manager recently and having Marty, Declan (Morgan) and Sean (Boylan) back is great," Laverty added.

"We really enjoyed working with this age group, we had a good season there winning the Ulster title and we want to try and build on the good foundations put in place last year."

It had been speculated earlier this week that Laverty, with Clarke and McGuinness in his coaching team, was set to be ratified as Paddy Tally's successor, but the Mourne county are still hunting a successor. Longford are the only other football county still without a manager for the 2022 season.

Kilcoo won their ninth county title in ten years – and Laverty's 10th on the field of play – with a 1-12 to 0-13 win over Burren last weekend. They play the winners of Gowna and Ramor United on 4 December, with the Breffni sides set to meet in a replayed county final on Sunday.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 13, 2021, 09:41:48 PM
Honestly where do Down go from here?
It could be anyone
The most longest drawn out process ever
The difference in other county's. They get business men to go looking for managers. We get a few ex players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 13, 2021, 11:14:52 PM
Should've held on to Paddy Tally
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 14, 2021, 08:20:33 AM
The clubs that voted to shaft Tally were a bit like the DUP members who got rid of Arlene I.e. no plan B.
Remember Down lost more games in 2016 and 2017 than any other county and were relegated to Division 3 in 2018.
Tally steadied the ship without setting the world alight and paid the price for a shambolic performance against Donegal.  However starting from scratch when one club is consistently dominating is never a good tactic and while the plan seems to have been to get Kilcoo become part of the solution, rather than the problem, it has seemingly backfired.
We need to take stock and remember that a strong senior team requires all shoulders to the wheel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 14, 2021, 09:38:22 AM
Tally's team got hammered by Meath Mayo and Donegal don't buy that one
Kickout strategy none existent
The problem wasn't that Tally was let go they problem is that nearly 5 months later we haven't got a management team
Options that are now available
Pete McGrath
Conor Deegan
Ross Carr
Shane Mulholland
Danny Hughes
James McCartan
Mickey Linden
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 14, 2021, 10:31:50 AM
John Kelly
Barry Breen
Gregory mccartan
Danny Kelly
Tommy mcgovern
Brendan mckernan
Neil collins
Liam doyle
Charlie pat mccartan
Aidan farrell
Paddy doherty
Francie poland
Kevin owens
Collie burns
Simon poland
Shorty treanor

Love this game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 14, 2021, 11:24:03 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 14, 2021, 09:38:22 AM
Tally's team got hammered by Meath Mayo and Donegal don't buy that one
Kickout strategy none existent
The problem wasn't that Tally was let go they problem is that nearly 5 months later we haven't got a management team
Options that are now available
Pete McGrath
Conor Deegan
Ross Carr
Shane Mulholland
Danny Hughes
James McCartan
Mickey Linden

Coming from div 3 to play 2 teams coming from div 1 it's no shock they got hammered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on November 14, 2021, 08:06:50 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 14, 2021, 08:20:33 AM
The clubs that voted to shaft Tally were a bit like the DUP members who got rid of Arlene I.e. no plan B.

What about those that clamoured to get rid of Jim McCorry after he took Down into Div 1 and had a couple of bad days in the championship?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 14, 2021, 09:30:23 PM
Believe County Management are meeting tonight about the ongoing situation. Must be serious if it's a Sunday meeting and I believe Kate Adie has been seen in and around Castlewellan. Nolan will be all over it in the morning
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 14, 2021, 09:54:31 PM
Aw now come on.

I like the Nolan sisters & they had a few decent songs but surely they're not being considered to manage Down!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 14, 2021, 10:02:30 PM
Don't be flippant now. This is a serious matter so it is
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 15, 2021, 01:59:55 AM
Down are now officially looking for a manager for 128.5 days longer than Jamie Bwyson  was on hunger strike
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2021, 07:56:06 AM
Anyone got the National League fixtures
Released yesterday with dates confirmed Saturday
Armagh v Dublin
Kildare v Tyrone
Mayo v Monaghan
Donegal v Kerry

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on November 15, 2021, 10:43:13 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2021, 07:56:06 AM
Anyone got the National League fixtures
Released yesterday with dates confirmed Saturday
Armagh v Dublin
Kildare v Tyrone
Mayo v Monaghan
Donegal v Kerry

Where did you see this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 15, 2021, 10:51:54 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on November 15, 2021, 10:43:13 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2021, 07:56:06 AM
Anyone got the National League fixtures
Released yesterday with dates confirmed Saturday
Armagh v Dublin
Kildare v Tyrone
Mayo v Monaghan
Donegal v Kerry

Where did you see this?

Probably got it from the same paper he got his Down management team announcements
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on November 15, 2021, 10:48:48 PM
The management situation getting beyond a joke now and not even a statement from the county board. Can't see where they go from here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2021, 11:19:11 PM
Where do they go from here?
Pete with Conor Deegan??
Mickey Moran
John mcentee
Oisin McConville
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 15, 2021, 11:41:10 PM
Heard this evening Wee James and Aidan O'Rourke are the ticket being put forward.. don't know who else is with them at this stage..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 16, 2021, 07:37:20 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 15, 2021, 11:41:10 PM
Heard this evening Wee James and Aidan O'Rourke are the ticket being put forward.. don't know who else is with them at this stage..

I had heard that also. If true I hope wee James is more interested than he was with the minors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 16, 2021, 08:14:26 AM
The appointment of James McCartan whilst I think it's probably as good as we can hope for smacks of total desperation. It's as if they now have went and begged him to pull them out of a hole. If it's not James watch a big left field appointment. Someone from Dublin or that to get that big name
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 16, 2021, 08:54:46 AM
It's less than 7 weeks until the McKenna cup starts and we have nothing in place, its the biggest shit show in Ireland, and I feel sorry for the players who are seeing other teams getting together and having training weekends in preparation for next season. We are light years behind 2. Who will do S and C? Who will do physio etc. No disrespect to the selection committee but come on men. It's 5 months since the backbenchers/dinosaurs ousted the new Kerry coach, we should have something in place by now. On another note, AGMs are coming up and it is time clubs voted young vibrant people as their county board officials. It's like the house of Lord's job for the older club statesmen who want a cushy number with 2 all Ireland tickets guaranteed for a few meetings a year. We need a wake-up call in Down and it's time we pushed the dinosaurs out. The Queen's alumni will forever be controlling our county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 16, 2021, 09:04:06 AM
It has been the longest drawn out management appointment I can ever recall
This selection team have not covered themselves in glory
And if for one second they think no other team is training well then stupid them
All team have long started
When the new man comes in surely he wants to get his own team around him
Physios
S & C
And the lot
That will take another 2 or 3 weeks to get all that sorted
This county are light years behind
Antrim who would be considered ulsters bottom team are just back from a training weekend in Donegal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 16, 2021, 09:13:04 AM
Armagh have also been in Munster a few weeks ago for a training weekend, Antrim have been away training and Derry have a training weekend arranged.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 16, 2021, 08:32:54 PM
Poacher away to the Bridge... Would associate Bridge as a team who want to play football, guess that's no more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 16, 2021, 09:40:55 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 16, 2021, 08:32:54 PM
Poacher away to the Bridge... Would associate Bridge as a team who want to play football, guess that's no more

Well he is a serial winner no matter where he goes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on November 16, 2021, 10:49:31 PM
What did he win at Ballyholland?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 17, 2021, 08:17:55 AM
Mayobridge don't mess about
Whilst he wouldn't be my cup of tea I would love that partnership over CPN
Me thinks that's a very shrewd move by Mayobridge

Regarding Down we are almost another week old
It really is getting ridiculous now
With the McKenna cup likely to go back into the GAA calendar we are officially 7 weeks away from the start of the season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on November 17, 2021, 08:58:32 AM
Seems like a crazy appointment for the Bridge IMO...Was Poacher not there before a long time ago? Would have considered Mayobridge to be one of the few pure footballing teams in Down, in the same bracket as Bryansford and Burren. No longer the case...I suppose this is the last roll of a dice in a bid to win something. Surely they'd have been better placed getting Benny in?

If the Bridge are happy paying for Zoom calls...more power to them I guess
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 17, 2021, 09:03:13 AM
Burren and Bryansford pure football. Have you seen either play in 5 years?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on November 17, 2021, 09:13:14 AM
Have indeed...Think Ford are a by-product of having a poor team but they still attack when they can. Burren haven't been overly defensive past 5yrs....and when they have that's because they're desperate to try something different to beat Kilcoo and you won't do that with expansive football all the time.

If you watched a match other than semi final or final of the championship, you'd learn a thing or two. Try going to the odd league game fella...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 17, 2021, 09:20:59 AM
An interesting dynamic for Mayobridge and fair play to them for sealing that in a short time. It actually makes our selection committee look worse. I think our county players would have loved to see a Poacher/Clarke ticket being announced last night.

"Pure footballing teams" is something a 90-year-old says in the bar over a glass of stout reminiscing about Paddy Mo. We need to get away from this malarky. Our county champions are the meanest defensive structure around. Do you think Micky and Conleith play with 6 defenders? We have men on our county board who are brought up on the successes on the 60s and 90s. So was I and I am so proud of that as we all are. But the game has changed dramatically over the last 10 years and we need to embrace it. We are being left behind and I feel for the players in their prime who are not being afforded the proper channels to improve their county careers?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 17, 2021, 10:04:38 AM
Kilcoo Moran/ Gilligan
Burren McCorry/ Adams
Clonduff McBride/ Copeland
Mayobridge Poacher/Clarke
Ballyholland
CPN Mulholland/Poland
Loughinisland Duffins
Carryduff Paddy O Rourke
Rostrevor Benny Coulter
Castlewellan
Downpatrick Gracey/ Walsh
Bryansford


Glenn Bagnall
Longstone
Saul
Liatrom Frankie Fitz
Saval
Darragh Cross DJ/ Gormley
Annaclone Seamy Quinn/ Haughey
An Riocht Ruane/ Mussen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on November 17, 2021, 10:34:47 AM
Pete McGrath wee James and Aidan o Rourke new down management. To be confirmed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on November 17, 2021, 10:38:47 AM
Saul - Conor O'TOOLE
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 17, 2021, 10:40:03 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on November 17, 2021, 10:34:47 AM
Pete McGrath wee James and Aidan o Rourke new down management. To be confirmed

That would not be a bad setup, it would be something at that stage, We need something in place this week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 17, 2021, 10:43:32 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 17, 2021, 10:40:03 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on November 17, 2021, 10:34:47 AM
Pete McGrath wee James and Aidan o Rourke new down management. To be confirmed

That would not be a bad setup, it would be something at that stage, We need something in place this week

Whether you like it not, whether he deserves it (he clearly doesn't) or not, really does not matter.... the bottom line truth is that it's been so long since players responded appropriately to Pete McGrath's management, that his name should just be moved to the side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 17, 2021, 11:42:13 AM
But the dinosaurs ousted the Kerry coach Tally, the dinosaurs ousted the Burren manager McCorry, the dinosaurs are ruining the county. Who leaked the story about McGuinness to the press, that needs to be looked at too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 17, 2021, 12:21:07 PM
Up and down what a ridiculous reply
Burren only play defensive to try and beat Kilcoo
Bryansford still attack when they can
Yes let's all go out and play 15 v 15 with no tactics
Dinosaurs all over the place
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 17, 2021, 12:38:15 PM
I cannot believe I am on the same hymn sheet as the pride of South Down Smurfy. Kick it into the big fella on the edge of the square, two full forwards feed of the break ball, its a simple game lads. "put the ball in " shout from the dinosaur in the crowd when there are 10 sweepers is a pet hate of mine.
A new one these days is a shout from the crowd "its not a head injury ref"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 17, 2021, 01:14:47 PM
Conor must be retired, a good appointment for Saul, a young coach with new ideas. Ronan and John will be missed but I think Conor can take them to a new level. They should be making a massive push to go to division 1 next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on November 17, 2021, 02:26:20 PM
Burren scored the highest amount of point in Div1 ya moron. They had an average of almost 18pts a game...but yet they're defensive this last five years? Go watch a league game or two...There are other pitches outside of Esler boss. Ford are defensive because they're scrap...same way Ballyholland and Some other scrap teams went defensive over the last ten years to get results. Bridge actually have good forwards, my point is why would they go for Poacher who's septically bad brand of football has won him sweet FA to date...he's a relegation battle merchant

How are Burren defensive yet have outscored CPN, Kilcoo, Clonduff and all the other teams in Div1?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 17, 2021, 03:41:46 PM
Quote from: upandwin on November 17, 2021, 02:26:20 PM
Burren scored the highest amount of point in Div1 ya moron. They had an average of almost 18pts a game...but yet they're defensive this last five years? Go watch a league game or two...There are other pitches outside of Esler boss. Ford are defensive because they're scrap...same way Ballyholland and Some other scrap teams went defensive over the last ten years to get results. Bridge actually have good forwards, my point is why would they go for Poacher who's septically bad brand of football has won him sweet FA to date...he's a relegation battle merchant

How are Burren defensive yet have outscored CPN, Kilcoo, Clonduff and all the other teams in Div1?

I think people get tied up with the Poacher debate but fail to recognize that Mayobridge nabbed one of the most sought-after coaches in Down and maybe beyond in Marty Clarke who was one of the most gifted forwards this county has ever produced who was part of the swash buckling u20 set up last year. Poachers Ballyholand side was not the most talented but he kept them in division one consistently and they were more up and down than a hooker's pants before he arrived. It will be interesting to see what he is like with a club team with better talent at his disposal.

I'll say it again but if Down has announced those two last night I believe the majority of Gaels in the county would have been happy especially the players. The other ticket we have on the table looks ok but the McGuinness thing would have ignited so much in the county. There is a dreary feel when you talk to Gaels all over the county, we as fans are getting worried.

Malachy O'Rourke would be amazing but i would imagine he will concentrate on Glen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 17, 2021, 06:12:28 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 17, 2021, 03:41:46 PM
Quote from: upandwin on November 17, 2021, 02:26:20 PM
Burren scored the highest amount of point in Div1 ya moron. They had an average of almost 18pts a game...but yet they're defensive this last five years? Go watch a league game or two...There are other pitches outside of Esler boss. Ford are defensive because they're scrap...same way Ballyholland and Some other scrap teams went defensive over the last ten years to get results. Bridge actually have good forwards, my point is why would they go for Poacher who's septically bad brand of football has won him sweet FA to date...he's a relegation battle merchant

How are Burren defensive yet have outscored CPN, Kilcoo, Clonduff and all the other teams in Div1?

I think people get tied up with the Poacher debate but fail to recognize that Mayobridge nabbed one of the most sought-after coaches in Down and maybe beyond in Marty Clarke who was one of the most gifted forwards this county has ever produced who was part of the swash buckling u20 set up last year. Poachers Ballyholand side was not the most talented but he kept them in division one consistently and they were more up and down than a hooker's pants before he arrived. It will be interesting to see what he is like with a club team with better talent at his disposal.

I'll say it again but if Down has announced those two last night I believe the majority of Gaels in the county would have been happy especially the players. The other ticket we have on the table looks ok but the McGuinness thing would have ignited so much in the county. There is a dreary feel when you talk to Gaels all over the county, we as fans are getting worried.

Malachy O'Rourke would be amazing but i would imagine he will concentrate on Glen.

Truth hurts if you knew anything about club football in the county you'd know they were in the St Johns ticket that got beat by Division 4 Dromara last year in the intermediate Championship. Not caught up on any debate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 17, 2021, 06:16:15 PM
So what you are saying is Burren go all out attack until they play Kilcoo so they go defensive

And Bryansford attack the odd time because they are scrap

That's what you have said

Anyway I'd prefer to talk about County football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 17, 2021, 07:07:22 PM
It is 4 full months since Tally got the road and we are still scrapping the barrel for a manager and a coaching team. I am certainly not Poachers biggest fan but if the Bridge can name that as a management team so soon after McKeever stepped away there is something seriously wrong with our selection committee that they have hit a dead end after 4 months! I have to agree with a previous poster, Poacher and Clarke would probably have ignited the players appetite and we would have taken it after this awful process, but god only knows what we will end up with now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 17, 2021, 10:36:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 17, 2021, 10:04:38 AM
Kilcoo Moran/ Gilligan
Burren McCorry/ Adams
Clonduff McBride/ Copeland
Mayobridge Poacher/Clarke
Ballyholland
CPN Mulholland/Poland
Loughinisland Duffins
Carryduff Paddy O Rourke
Rostrevor Benny Coulter
Castlewellan
Downpatrick Gracey/ Walsh
Bryansford


Glenn Bagnall
Longstone
Saul
Liatrom Frankie Fitz
Saval
Darragh Cross DJ/ Gormley
Annaclone Seamy Quinn/ Haughey
An Riocht Ruane/ Mussen

Not sure of a few of these.. paddy O'Rourke to carryduff is crap from what I hear. Rumblings with the noisy neighbours too - Jim McCorry could be on his own from what I hear! And heard today Rony Murtagh is stepping into the shoes in Ballyholland.. interesting..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 18, 2021, 09:04:16 AM
Saval are looking to daft in António Guterres from the UN to sort out the civil war after a split in committee. Some big characters not happy in the club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on November 18, 2021, 09:37:17 AM
Ffs truth hurts that's slow sports news !! SSN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 18, 2021, 09:51:07 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on November 18, 2021, 09:37:17 AM
Ffs truth hurts that's slow sports news !! SSN

We get news late from you boys down there lol
Is there any word on the management situation? Are there any meetings organized to explain to the clubs what is going on? The clubs should be told what is going on?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the goal was on on November 18, 2021, 10:35:51 AM
Must be waiting on a manager still involved with club! Can be only reason for delay.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 18, 2021, 11:22:55 AM
I spoke with a high-ranking official in Doc's a while ago and he informed me that they are struggling. All was hinged on the Laverty, Clarke, McGuinness ticket and now they are back to square one. Though they are looking to get a man in place for early next week most likely wee James, O'Rourke and Dan
Other info from him :
Fegan to Glenn or Saval.
Ballymartin not happy with the Duffin clan.
Dundrum trying their best to keep hold of Clarke who is getting offers from div 1 clubs.
Carryduff looking Gearoid to take over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 18, 2021, 12:26:29 PM
It doesn't take a genius to work out they are struggling to get someone
James McCartan
Ross Carr
DJ Kane
Pete MCGrath
Conor Deegan


All will be linked to the job now
It could be one of the above
I would personally rule out 4 of the above

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on November 18, 2021, 01:30:01 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 18, 2021, 11:22:55 AM
I spoke with a high-ranking official in Doc's a while ago and he informed me that they are struggling. All was hinged on the Laverty, Clarke, McGuinness ticket and now they are back to square one. Though they are looking to get a man in place for early next week most likely wee James, O'Rourke and Dan
Other info from him :
Fegan to Glenn or Saval.
Ballymartin not happy with the Duffin clan.
Dundrum trying their best to keep hold of Clarke who is getting offers from div 1 clubs.
Carryduff looking Gearoid to take over.
The Duffins and big collie McCrickard away to loughinisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 18, 2021, 01:46:06 PM
Quote from: PTC on November 18, 2021, 01:30:01 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 18, 2021, 11:22:55 AM
I spoke with a high-ranking official in Doc's a while ago and he informed me that they are struggling. All was hinged on the Laverty, Clarke, McGuinness ticket and now they are back to square one. Though they are looking to get a man in place for early next week most likely wee James, O'Rourke and Dan
Other info from him :
Fegan to Glenn or Saval.
Ballymartin not happy with the Duffin clan.
Dundrum trying their best to keep hold of Clarke who is getting offers from div 1 clubs.
Carryduff looking Gearoid to take over.
The Duffins and big collie McCrickard away to loughinisland

Just Kevin and Collie.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 18, 2021, 08:42:53 PM
Same psychiatrist & same choice of chip shops?

Or was it a working lunch to plot the future of Down GAA & put the world to rights?

🤡
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 19, 2021, 08:20:10 AM
Another week down
It's really dragging on a bit now
We will be into December now before our senior squad will come together
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 19, 2021, 08:44:00 AM
From a good source

Last years Down senior team squad is meeting this weekend, senior members will organize groups for gym and fitness in different parts of the county. It is a sad state of affairs but I am glad someone has taken the bull by the horns. Though in fairness they should have been doing this weeks ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 19, 2021, 10:56:03 AM
More movement on the managerial front

Dromara GAC are delighted to announce that Martin Walker and Paul Rice will take up the management of Dromara Senior team with Noel McKibben as coach for the 2022 season.
We would like to offer our sincere thanks to Myles Cahill for his dedication and commitment to our senior team and our club over the last 3 years and we wish him well for the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 19, 2021, 12:54:44 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 19, 2021, 10:07:41 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 19, 2021, 08:44:00 AM
From a good source

Last years Down senior team squad is meeting this weekend, senior members will organize groups for gym and fitness in different parts of the county. It is a sad state of affairs but I am glad someone has taken the bull by the horns. Though in fairness they should have been doing this weeks ago.
Was this a "prominent,high ranking" source?

Wonder if he went to Docs or if it was Country Fried Chicken for dinner that night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 19, 2021, 02:12:23 PM
Does anyone here remember the barony leagues? Did the county board try to implement barony teams into the senior championship a few years ago? Do you think this could ever work if implemented between division 3 and 4 teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on November 19, 2021, 03:46:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 19, 2021, 08:44:00 AM
From a good source

Last years Down senior team squad is meeting this weekend, senior members will organize groups for gym and fitness in different parts of the county. It is a sad state of affairs but I am glad someone has taken the bull by the horns. Though in fairness they should have been doing this weeks ago.

This is incredible. A county team organising their own training. Like something from the 1950's
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on November 19, 2021, 04:01:42 PM
I understand the issue you guys have now is that the McGuinness ticket was as good as done - few things to be ironed out but it would have been good to go.

Jim pulled the plug on it because it was leaked before any announcement was made.

Given Jim's penchant for everything staying in house, once the leak was made, he decided Down was not for him.

Means yous are having to look at a plan B now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 19, 2021, 05:23:47 PM
Quote from: Taylor on November 19, 2021, 04:01:42 PM
I understand the issue you guys have now is that the McGuinness ticket was as good as done - few things to be ironed out but it would have been good to go.

Jim pulled the plug on it because it was leaked before any announcement was made.

Given Jim's penchant for everything staying in house, once the leak was made, he decided Down was not for him.

Means yous are having to look at a plan B now.

Problem is there is no plan B
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 19, 2021, 06:05:22 PM
So let me get this right

The Down players are training themselves in small groups?

What if quite a few of them who let's be Frank have been poor in recent years don't make the panel

A new low for Down

Players taking training sessions

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 20, 2021, 12:07:22 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 19, 2021, 06:05:22 PM
So let me get this right

The Down players are training themselves in small groups?

What if quite a few of them who let's be Frank have been poor in recent years don't make the panel

A new low for Down

Players taking training sessions

Says the Guy from the most decorated club in Down who were going to waltz through this years championship .  Think it's best for you to pipe down a bit and help get your own house in order or better still put your name forward to help out at county level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 20, 2021, 10:17:26 AM
So what would the criteria for next county boss be?

Successful club record?
Big name from playing days?
Success with underage county teams?
Success at senior county level?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 20, 2021, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 20, 2021, 10:17:26 AM
So what would the criteria for next county boss be?

Successful club record?
Big name from playing days?
Success with underage county teams?
Success at senior county level?

A pulse??
Don't mind keeping a seat warm for Laverty??
No need for any expenses??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on November 20, 2021, 05:22:15 PM
It's a bit of a worry alright to be managerless at this stage but things will work out.
One thought  I have is that Jim McGuinness hasn't covered himself in too much glory from this affair.
Like most people on this board I was absolutely amazed that the group charged with appointing the manager managed to keep it under wraps for so long. Both they and the McGuinness Laverty Clarke ticket successfully kept Schtum right up until the County final weekend when everyone I spoke to had heard the names in the frames. When the Irish News ran the story a few days later we were all upbeat so if it's true that McGuinness walked because the story was out, he confirmed that he really is unbelievably thin skinned.Kevin Cassidy had a point.
So while he was a successful coach he's a prickly character and if he can't handle this issue God knows what he would have been like if he had  a real crisis to deal with.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 20, 2021, 06:06:27 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 20, 2021, 05:22:15 PM
It's a bit of a worry alright to be managerless at this stage but things will work out.
One thought  I have is that Jim McGuinness hasn't covered himself in too much glory from this affair.
Like most people on this board I was absolutely amazed that the group charged with appointing the manager managed to keep it under wraps for so long. Both they and the McGuinness Laverty Clarke ticket successfully kept Schtum right up until the County final weekend when everyone I spoke to had heard the names in the frames. When the Irish News ran the story a few days later we were all upbeat so if it's true that McGuinness walked because the story was out, he confirmed that he really is unbelievably thin skinned.Kevin Cassidy had a point.
So while he was a successful coach he's a prickly character and if he can't handle this issue God knows what he would have been like if he had  a real crisis to deal with.
And what point are you making?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 20, 2021, 08:18:44 PM
Was in docs there. Neil Lennon was sat in the corner whispering with some prominent east down big wigs. Keep it under wraps for now. The chicken stack was class BTW.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on November 20, 2021, 09:10:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on November 20, 2021, 06:06:27 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on November 20, 2021, 05:22:15 PM
It's a bit of a worry alright to be managerless at this stage but things will work out.
One thought  I have is that Jim McGuinness hasn't covered himself in too much glory from this affair.
Like most people on this board I was absolutely amazed that the group charged with appointing the manager managed to keep it under wraps for so long. Both they and the McGuinness Laverty Clarke ticket successfully kept Schtum right up until the County final weekend when everyone I spoke to had heard the names in the frames. When the Irish News ran the story a few days later we were all upbeat so if it's true that McGuinness walked because the story was out, he confirmed that he really is unbelievably thin skinned.Kevin Cassidy had a point.
So while he was a successful coach he's a prickly character and if he can't handle this issue God knows what he would have been like if he had  a real crisis to deal with.
And what point are you making?
I presume he is making the point that posters are having a go at the selection panel, the county board and club delegates but McGuinness has questions to answer. He has admitted talking to counties so was a gun for hire yet ran away just because people knew about it.
As a result we don't have a manager weeks before the season starts again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on November 21, 2021, 02:04:42 AM
There is some dung spouted on here, let's wait until we see what the recruitment committee has put together before casting judgement.
Onion rings are class.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The_big_bad_wolf on November 21, 2021, 02:13:24 PM
If the rumors are correct that Gavin Devlin from Tyrone was interested in the Down job it amazes me how he didn't even get a interview.  It says a lot of our county board leadership and the selection committee which was formed.  It's 7 weeks to the National league and we have no one to lead us into our next year.  No management, no panel and no training program commenced.  It's time we got rid of these county board beaurocrats who are  steering our proud county in the wrong direction.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 21, 2021, 06:28:20 PM
You'll be putting yourself forward as county board rep at your club's AGM then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 22, 2021, 08:11:07 AM
I would be amazed if Down didn't announced a manager this week

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 22, 2021, 08:50:05 AM
Less than 6 weeks left to the end of the year, most club teams apart from Kilco who are tied up in Ulster will have met or plan to meet soon to organize winter conditioning training. I really am getting scared for our national league next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 22, 2021, 08:51:41 AM
Quote from: Taylor on November 19, 2021, 04:01:42 PM
I understand the issue you guys have now is that the McGuinness ticket was as good as done - few things to be ironed out but it would have been good to go.

Jim pulled the plug on it because it was leaked before any announcement was made.

Given Jim's penchant for everything staying in house, once the leak was made, he decided Down was not for him.

Means yous are having to look at a plan B now.

This is exactly it from a not so high ranking CB official..

McGuinness was more or less over the line till someone spilled the beans, Jim then decides he can't trust the setup and then distances himself from the role.

There is no plan B, it's back to the start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 22, 2021, 08:53:56 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 22, 2021, 08:51:41 AM
Quote from: Taylor on November 19, 2021, 04:01:42 PM
I understand the issue you guys have now is that the McGuinness ticket was as good as done - few things to be ironed out but it would have been good to go.

Jim pulled the plug on it because it was leaked before any announcement was made.

Given Jim's penchant for everything staying in house, once the leak was made, he decided Down was not for him.

Means yous are having to look at a plan B now.


Was it a county board official or someone connected to the ticket that squealed? There is someone involved in that process who wanted the process to fail, they need to be weeded out of Down GAA future.
This is exactly it from a not so high ranking CB official..

McGuinness was more or less over the line till someone spilled the beans, Jim then decides he can't trust the setup and then distances himself from the role.

There is no plan B, it's back to the start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on November 22, 2021, 09:14:06 AM
I wouldn't say they wanted the Jim McGuinness recruitment to fail, it was more that they wanted to look like the big fella who was involved in it and making out they were in the know. Anyone who has followed or read anything around McGuinness and how he operates would know he demands a closed shop. the fact that some of the CB boys were spouting in public just highlighted that he couldn't trust them at any stage and therefore pulled the plug.
For what its worth i think he'd have been a brilliant appointment and would have been ideal to work with Laverty and Clarke with a view to keeping the 20's and Senior set up in line
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on November 22, 2021, 09:49:48 AM
Should Down not follow the United model and appoint an interim manager for now who can train the team until we get a proper interim manager who can oversee things until we can get a permanent manager in...Then the second interim manager can become assistant TO the permanent manager...

The Fish supper in Doc's is best in the business...#ForCodAndUlster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 22, 2021, 10:58:49 AM
I see the u20 comp is up and running. There have a few big scores. Burren will walk the A I would imagine. St Johns looks to be motoring well in the B. Are they joined up with anyone? Castlewellan has taken the best of Loughinisland while the Ford has taken the best from Mourne. Would these clubs not have enough players from their own clubs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 23, 2021, 02:33:53 PM
Wee James, Aidan O'Rourke, Mickey Walsh, Mark Doran, and Jerome Johnston are to be unveiled this week, this was confirmed by a high-ranking former East Down board member in Bizzy bee bistro over lunch today. He also said a few clubs are struggling to get management teams in place, Carryduff and Bryansford being the most high profile.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on November 23, 2021, 03:23:56 PM
What rank was he exactly? Higher in the ranking order than the last prominent East Down Gael prophet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 23, 2021, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 23, 2021, 02:33:53 PM
Wee James, Aidan O'Rourke, Mickey Walsh, Mark Doran, and Jerome Johnston are to be unveiled this week, this was confirmed by a high-ranking former East Down board member in Bizzy bee bistro over lunch today. He also said a few clubs are struggling to get management teams in place, Carryduff and Bryansford being the most high profile.

1) where is Bizzy Bee
2) was he a former high ranking official or a high ranking former official? Or did it just rhyme with rank?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 23, 2021, 03:53:29 PM
He has held various officers positions on both the East Down and County board over the years, is a well-respected Gael and a good source of information. Dundrum's  Mark Fitzsimmons away to Bright was another thing he told me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 23, 2021, 03:58:16 PM
Quote from: Godsown on November 23, 2021, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 23, 2021, 02:33:53 PM
Wee James, Aidan O'Rourke, Mickey Walsh, Mark Doran, and Jerome Johnston are to be unveiled this week, this was confirmed by a high-ranking former East Down board member in Bizzy bee bistro over lunch today. He also said a few clubs are struggling to get management teams in place, Carryduff and Bryansford being the most high profile.

1) where is Bizzy Bee
2) was he a former high ranking official or a high ranking former official? Or did it just rhyme with rank?

The Bizzy bee bistro Downpatrick, I would recommend the Bee Feast wrap . A former high ranking delegate/officer, now heavily involved in club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on November 23, 2021, 04:03:44 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 23, 2021, 03:53:29 PM
He has held various officers positions on both the East Down and County board over the years, is a well-respected Gael and a good source of information. Dundrum's  Mark Fitzsimmons away to Bright was another thing he told me.
What else is SMcC tell you in your dreams? ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 23, 2021, 04:10:22 PM
Quote from: imagine on November 23, 2021, 04:03:44 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 23, 2021, 03:53:29 PM
He has held various officers positions on both the East Down and County board over the years, is a well-respected Gael and a good source of information. Dundrum's  Mark Fitzsimmons away to Bright was another thing he told me.
What else is SMcC tell you in your dreams? ;D

He would not tell you the time !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on November 23, 2021, 04:16:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 23, 2021, 02:33:53 PM
Wee James, Aidan O'Rourke, Mickey Walsh, Mark Doran, and Jerome Johnston are to be unveiled this week, this was confirmed by a high-ranking former East Down board member in Bizzy bee bistro over lunch today. He also said a few clubs are struggling to get management teams in place, Carryduff and Bryansford being the most high profile.

They have turned it down. The county board also called Paddy O Rourke to take it for one year and he rejected it as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 23, 2021, 05:54:15 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 23, 2021, 03:53:29 PM
He has held various officers positions on both the East Down and County board over the years, is a well-respected Gael and a good source of information. Dundrum's  Mark Fitzsimmons away to Bright was another thing he told me.

He must be in the know, Fitzsimons was there last year too!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 23, 2021, 07:46:34 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 23, 2021, 05:54:15 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 23, 2021, 03:53:29 PM
He has held various officers positions on both the East Down and County board over the years, is a well-respected Gael and a good source of information. Dundrum's  Mark Fitzsimmons away to Bright was another thing he told me.

He must be in the know, Fitzsimons was there last year too!

He really knows f**k all that boy doesn't he - Maybe he's using internet explorer as his browser
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 23, 2021, 10:02:49 PM
Despite the county debacle - are most clubs now sorted with management??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 24, 2021, 06:55:17 AM
Finnian Moriarty now with Carryduff.

Heard that from a reliable source I met in the toilets in The Ivanhoe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 24, 2021, 07:38:01 AM
Most clubs sorted

Grant Castlewellan
Ronan McCartan Glenn
Moriorty Carryduff
Trainor Longstone
Dawson Bredagh
Fegan Ballyholland



The Bryansford job out for interviews including the current management


Most clubs seem sorted
Yet here we are without a management for our County Team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 09:02:40 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 24, 2021, 07:38:01 AM
Most clubs sorted

Grant Castlewellan
Ronan McCartan Glenn
Moriorty Carryduff
Trainor Longstone
Dawson Bredagh
Fegan Ballyholland



The Bryansford job out for interviews including the current management


Most clubs seem sorted
Yet here we are without a manager for our County Team

Is McCartan not the LGFA manager? What Trainer is with the Stone?

Down announcement tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 24, 2021, 09:18:31 AM
McCartan in Glenn as coach

Paul Trainor played midfield for them he was Selector last year

Announcement tonight with Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 24, 2021, 09:45:04 AM
Go board meeting tonight was to be in the Bizzy Bee but has been switched to Friar Tucks. Live streaming available from Pairc TV
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on November 24, 2021, 09:49:52 AM
Only watching if pete mcgrath jr is commentating
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 10:47:36 AM
Internal committee wranglings holding the Byransford appointments up. The dinosaurs don't want to pony up for a big name but the younger people and players feel they need to speculate to accumulate. A former championship winner informed me that its been going on for years and is holding the club back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 10:54:06 AM
Kilcoo Moran/ Gilligan
Burren McCorry/ Adams
Clonduff McBride/ Copeland
Mayobridge Poacher/Clarke
Ballyholland Murtagh/Fegan
CPN Mulholland/Poland
Loughinisland Duffins/ McCrickard
Carryduff Finny Mo
Rostrevor Benny Coulter/ Neil Coulter
Castlewellan Grant/Hynes
Downpatrick Gracey/ Walsh
Bryansford


Glenn Bagnall / McCartan
Longstone Trainor
Saul O'Toole
Liatrom Frankie Fitz
Saval Hughes/Kearney
Darragh Cross DJ/ Gormley
Annaclone Seamy Quinn/ Haughey
An Riocht Ruane/ Mussen

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 24, 2021, 11:28:06 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 10:47:36 AM
Internal committee wranglings holding the Byransford appointments up. The dinosaurs don't want to pony up for a big name but the younger people and players feel they need to speculate to accumulate. A former championship winner informed me that its been going on for years and is holding the club back

More dinosaurs on the loose. It seems they're everywhere. These f**kers with their prudence, processes and safeguards are ruining everyone's fun.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on November 24, 2021, 11:29:37 AM
They must be building Jurassic Park out in Ballykinlar!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on November 24, 2021, 11:42:56 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 24, 2021, 11:28:06 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 10:47:36 AM
Internal committee wranglings holding the Byransford appointments up. The dinosaurs don't want to pony up for a big name but the younger people and players feel they need to speculate to accumulate. A former championship winner informed me that its been going on for years and is holding the club back

More dinosaurs on the loose. It seems they're everywhere. These f**kers with their prudence, processes and safeguards are ruining everyone's fun.

Imagine a committee who won't throw out stupid money for a coach who couldn't give a shit about your club and how they leave it after they go. Down football has got worse and worse with the input of these high paid coaches if we're honest about it. Obviously not all managers/coaches around Down are like that.

In Bryansford's case, they could throw out a huge sum of money and still win nothing. And he wouldn't be expected to even challenge for a league or championship. They do need a lift to make sure they don't get relegated though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 11:50:33 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on November 24, 2021, 11:42:56 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 24, 2021, 11:28:06 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 10:47:36 AM
Internal committee wranglings holding the Byransford appointments up. The dinosaurs don't want to pony up for a big name but the younger people and players feel they need to speculate to accumulate. A former championship winner informed me that its been going on for years and is holding the club back

More dinosaurs on the loose. It seems they're everywhere. These f**kers with their prudence, processes and safeguards are ruining everyone's fun.

Imagine a committee who won't throw out stupid money for a coach who couldn't give a shit about your club and how they leave it after they go. Down football has got worse and worse with the input of these high paid coaches if we're honest about it. Obviously not all managers/coaches around Down are like that.

In Bryansford's case, they could throw out a huge sum of money and still win nothing. And he wouldn't be expected to even challenge for a league or championship. They do need a lift to make sure they don't get relegated though.

Don't shoot the messenger BAK. How do they get a lift? A good coach who can get them back to their glory days. Bryansford has great underage players and always has the talent pool at their disposal. They are a club with rich history and tradition and a few tweaks could get them back into the top 4 .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on November 24, 2021, 12:00:28 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 11:50:33 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on November 24, 2021, 11:42:56 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 24, 2021, 11:28:06 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 10:47:36 AM
Internal committee wranglings holding the Byransford appointments up. The dinosaurs don't want to pony up for a big name but the younger people and players feel they need to speculate to accumulate. A former championship winner informed me that its been going on for years and is holding the club back

More dinosaurs on the loose. It seems they're everywhere. These f**kers with their prudence, processes and safeguards are ruining everyone's fun.

Imagine a committee who won't throw out stupid money for a coach who couldn't give a shit about your club and how they leave it after they go. Down football has got worse and worse with the input of these high paid coaches if we're honest about it. Obviously not all managers/coaches around Down are like that.

In Bryansford's case, they could throw out a huge sum of money and still win nothing. And he wouldn't be expected to even challenge for a league or championship. They do need a lift to make sure they don't get relegated though.

Don't shoot the messenger BAK. How do they get a lift? A good coach who can get them back to their glory days. Bryansford has great underage players and always has the talent pool at their disposal. They are a club with rich history and tradition and a few tweaks could get them back into the top 4 .

Are Bryansford going to win the championship in the next couple of years? That's their glory days.

No doubt they need a good coach in to give the team a new direction and make sure they don't get caught in the mix for the extra relegation places. That doesn't mean a committee can pay out whatever players might think they need.

I have an issue with the amount of money coming out of clubs into the pockets of people who don't see any further than the team they are working with at that current time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 12:18:46 PM
Managing a senior team is not just turning up 10 minutes prior to the session and winging it. There is a serious amount of work that goes on behind the scenes so I agree with small expenses for coaches providing they are good. Byransford seems to be very strong at underage and they need to maintain their place in the top division. The last thing they need is another dog fight for survival.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kickham csc on November 24, 2021, 12:24:07 PM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on November 24, 2021, 11:29:37 AM
They must be building Jurassic Park out in Ballykinlar!

They def pulled together a monster of a committee. Maybe spending more time building a committee than finding a manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 12:51:01 PM
All will be revealed tonight after a long-drawn-out affair approx 24 weeks since the backbenchers got rid of a top-class coach.

The five-man committee should be sent for a spa weekend in the Slieve Donard and relax in what must have been a roller coaster of a ride.

A squad should be assembled this weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on November 24, 2021, 01:09:05 PM
Wee James & Aidan ORourke it is then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2021, 01:13:13 PM
Back to the future
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2021, 01:13:13 PM
Back to the future

In great Down GAA fashion, the begrudging has started already. I would like to wish the best of luck to James, Aidan, and their team. Thankfully this torment is over and we can look forward to 2022.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2021, 01:27:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2021, 01:13:13 PM
Back to the future

In great Down GAA fashion, the begrudging has started already. I would like to wish the best of luck to James, Aidan, and their team. Thankfully this torment is over and we can look forward to 2022.

It's not a criticism, just an observation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2021, 01:27:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2021, 01:13:13 PM
Back to the future

In great Down GAA fashion, the begrudging has started already. I would like to wish the best of luck to James, Aidan, and their team. Thankfully this torment is over and we can look forward to 2022.

It's not a criticism, just an observation

Aye
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on November 24, 2021, 03:16:06 PM
Good appointment (eventually) for Down gaa I think. Obviously not everyone's cup of tea and maybe if the situation was sorted out sooner and in a better way there could have been a different outcome but these are two experienced GAA men both as players and in management and both are winners that will command the respect from the players which is vital. It would be nice to see people get behind the management and the team instead of waiting for them to fail for a change...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2021, 03:41:36 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2021, 01:27:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2021, 01:13:13 PM
Back to the future

In great Down GAA fashion, the begrudging has started already. I would like to wish the best of luck to James, Aidan, and their team. Thankfully this torment is over and we can look forward to 2022.

It's not a criticism, just an observation

Aye

It's a good appointment all things considered. Hopefully he repeats his first year from his first reign!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on November 24, 2021, 04:01:06 PM
Any word of who else is involved in backroom team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on November 24, 2021, 04:44:23 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on November 24, 2021, 04:01:06 PM
Any word of who else is involved in backroom team?
Dan
Eoin
Charlie pat
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 24, 2021, 05:19:51 PM
Quote from: sdg on November 24, 2021, 04:44:23 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on November 24, 2021, 04:01:06 PM
Any word of who else is involved in backroom team?
Dan
Eoin
Charlie pat

And relation Greg Blaney
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 24, 2021, 06:38:21 PM
Heading up to Zebedee's shortly for the county board meeting.

Lot of very prominent & important people will be there.

Can't beat their super chips.

Might even get Wee James a milkshake if he makes it.

#committeelife #intheknow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 24, 2021, 06:50:53 PM
Hopefully James will do better with the seniors than he did with the minors . He did a good job 1st time around in the senior post so hopefully he can get them back to that level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on November 24, 2021, 07:25:51 PM
In James we trust. He never let us down on the field of battle and did a good job as manager of the senior team. He and his back room team have my full support .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 24, 2021, 08:15:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 10:54:06 AM
Kilcoo Moran/ Gilligan
Burren McCorry/ Adams
Clonduff McBride/ Copeland
Mayobridge Poacher/Clarke
Ballyholland Murtagh/Fegan
CPN Mulholland/Poland
Loughinisland Duffins/ McCrickard
Carryduff Finny Mo
Rostrevor Benny Coulter/ Neil Coulter
Castlewellan Grant/Hynes
Downpatrick Gracey/ Walsh
Bryansford


Glenn Bagnall / McCartan
Longstone Trainor
Saul O'Toole
Liatrom Frankie Fitz
Saval Hughes/Kearney
Darragh Cross DJ/ Gormley
Annaclone Seamy Quinn/ Haughey
An Riocht Ruane/ Mussen

Who's the Fegan in with Ballyholland???
Is Gavin Treanor not in with Danny in Saval???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 25, 2021, 08:31:39 AM
It's the news everyone expected

The selection committee were literally left with no other real options

But it's a good appointment

Good luck to James Aidan and co
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 25, 2021, 08:33:41 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 24, 2021, 08:15:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 10:54:06 AM
Kilcoo Moran/ Gilligan
Burren McCorry/ Adams
Clonduff McBride/ Copeland
Mayobridge Poacher/Clarke
Ballyholland Murtagh/Fegan
CPN Mulholland/Poland
Loughinisland Duffins/ McCrickard
Carryduff Finny Mo
Rostrevor Benny Coulter/ Neil Coulter
Castlewellan Grant/Hynes
Downpatrick Gracey/ Walsh
Bryansford


Glenn Bagnall / McCartan
Longstone Trainor
Saul O'Toole
Liatrom Frankie Fitz
Saval Hughes/Kearney
Darragh Cross DJ/ Gormley
Annaclone Seamy Quinn/ Haughey
An Riocht Ruane/ Mussen

Who's the Fegan in with Ballyholland???
Is Gavin Treanor not in with Danny in Saval???

John Fegan, yes you could be right there about the Saval appointment.

Fair play to James, it shows how much this county means to him. We are all behind you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on November 25, 2021, 09:05:36 AM
Smurfy you named 716 people as confirmed Down Managers...wee James maybe the only man you didn't name drop.

Went to Railway St last night for a deluxe hot chocolate and saw the seven sisters ratifying the management, some extremely prominent figures eating caramel squares in there...heard it here first #InTheKnow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 25, 2021, 09:09:27 AM
Quote from: upandwin on November 25, 2021, 09:05:36 AM
Smurfy you named 716 people as confirmed Down Managers...wee James maybe the only man you didn't name drop.

Went to Railway St last night for a deluxe hot chocolate and saw the seven sisters ratifying the management, some extremely prominent figures eating caramel squares in there...heard it here first #InTheKnow

I had the correct call and my man from del monte is never far away.
How do we look on the club management front. Most teams are set up, has anyone a list of division 3 and 4 management teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 25, 2021, 09:16:22 AM
Whats people's views on the u17  or u18 debate? Personally, I prefer 12,14,16,minor but I believe it would be very unfair to change it for 2022 as there would be young lads sitting on a bench for the majority of 2 years while the best players have 2 years at their best age. If the GAA were to change this then they have to give ample time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 25, 2021, 09:36:23 AM
Quote from: upandwin on November 25, 2021, 09:05:36 AM
Smurfy you named 716 people as confirmed Down Managers...wee James maybe the only man you didn't name drop.

Went to Railway St last night for a deluxe hot chocolate and saw the seven sisters ratifying the management, some extremely prominent figures eating caramel squares in there...heard it here first #InTheKnow

You are in the wrong pace! Botanic and a Stran coffee shops to be to meet the new latterati in the know on all things Down. I'm heading over for a coffee and cinnamon bun shortly to get the bars
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on November 25, 2021, 10:01:11 AM
Keep us posted if there are any developments GO...I thought I had my ear to the ground in Newcastle but definitely seems the further you go down the promenade, the more prominent the figures become. People in Avoca are much more in the know than anyone I've spoken to in Savoy or Froth...anyone got any contacts in Olive Bazaar that are prominent enough to suggest who the backroom team will be for wee James?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 25, 2021, 10:27:09 AM
I will let you know on Monday as I am heading to the Parador on Sunday to meet some mates for the football. I will have the insight then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 25, 2021, 12:05:26 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 25, 2021, 10:27:09 AM
I will let you know on Monday as I am heading to the Parador on Sunday to meet some mates for the football. I will have the insight then.

Good man. I might see you there Sunday afternoon as heading for Parador as well. I'll be wearing a red carnation on my suit lapel and carrying a copy of Andytown news if you want to make contact for exchange. Code will be " the Bee is Busy"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on November 25, 2021, 05:21:23 PM
 You may as well come on down to the Maypole if you're going as far as Belfast.
Less Gaa heads and more soccer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on November 26, 2021, 11:15:00 AM
Quote from: imagine on November 25, 2021, 05:21:23 PM
You may as well come on down to the Maypole if you're going as far as Belfast.
Less Gaa heads and more soccer.
27 GAA clubs in Belfast , more than in either south or East Down but we are all soccer heads.  😂😂😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 26, 2021, 12:57:35 PM
Will Down supporters club be running a bus to the kingdom and Kilcoo double header? I think it would get a crowd. Down people will follow these clubs in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 26, 2021, 12:59:51 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on November 26, 2021, 11:15:00 AM
Quote from: imagine on November 25, 2021, 05:21:23 PM
You may as well come on down to the Maypole if you're going as far as Belfast.
Less Gaa heads and more soccer.
27 GAA clubs in Belfast , more than in either south or East Down but we are all soccer heads.  😂😂😂


Would it not be easier for Bredagh and Carryduff to play in the Antrim League. Logistically it would be easier. You must be sick of driving to the south Down and Mourne clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on November 26, 2021, 01:43:05 PM
Great idea and all teams from Newry up to St Michael's into Armagh.  😂😂😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on November 26, 2021, 01:59:27 PM
The Newry teams along the coast down into Mourne should be moved to Louth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 26, 2021, 02:05:25 PM
St Micheals would have it easier being in North Armagh league at underage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on November 26, 2021, 02:12:38 PM
But what we are forgetting is we are all Down at heart.  An Dun abu
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 27, 2021, 10:51:54 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 26, 2021, 12:59:51 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on November 26, 2021, 11:15:00 AM
Quote from: imagine on November 25, 2021, 05:21:23 PM
You may as well come on down to the Maypole if you're going as far as Belfast.
Less Gaa heads and more soccer.
27 GAA clubs in Belfast , more than in either south or East Down but we are all soccer heads.  😂😂😂


Would it not be easier for Bredagh and Carryduff to play in the Antrim League. Logistically it would be easier. You must be sick of driving to the south Down and Mourne clubs.
I had mentioned future amalgamations previously now truth hurts wants us to start getting rid of a few Clubs to neighbouring Counties.Perhaps he should leave the County himself.
  Wee James spoke well in the Irish News today.I would think by the time the Championship comes
round there'll be much different Senior Panel to one well beaten by Donegal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 27, 2021, 04:22:55 PM
Monaghan in first round of Ulster.

Around start of April I believe.

Will be a very tough Division 2 campaign for James & the lads before that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 27, 2021, 07:08:42 PM
So there we go, after nearly 5 months with a hand picked committee we end up with a back to the future appointment everyone knew was coming from the first week.

How can the down gaa public accept this? O Rourke is surely one of the most negative and regressive appointments in the history of this county, the Armagh fraternity must be having some laugh at us right now.

Why can people not see through this Queen's old boy network, Chucky Ned and JD now have their men. Big questions have to be asked of Poland, Mc Ardle and Mc Aleenan, why were them men even there?

EOS must have plenty of money to burn but what will be really interesting is to see the rest of the backroom team which hasn't been declared yet, early word is Oaks, Ronan McMahon and Deegan. Long live QUB
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on November 27, 2021, 07:37:29 PM
So red and black, did you post the same type of comment last year saying 'long live the Ranch'? Considering Tally, Beattie and McGilly were all members of St Marys University Management team and members of staff? Poland and McArdle both played under James and got to an All Ireland Final when nobody saw down doing so, they could be forgiven for respecting him as a good manager. Down have to build, simple as that. Anyone thinking we should be challenging for honours are just unrealistic. Build now, target to be in div 1 again in 3 years, stay there in 4 and challenge for Ulster from there. Other targets are too far ahead to be talking about yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 27, 2021, 09:26:53 PM
Surely James will be saying thanks a million and goodbye to McArdle, mckernan etc from the panel??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on November 27, 2021, 11:56:31 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 27, 2021, 09:26:53 PM
Surely James will be saying thanks a million and goodbye to McArdle, mckernan etc from the panel??
Who is included in the "etc" list?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 28, 2021, 08:39:23 PM
Wouldn't be many dispensed with.

Most of the panel are under 30.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on November 28, 2021, 09:13:20 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 28, 2021, 08:39:23 PM
Wouldn't be many dispensed with.

Most of the panel are under 30.
I was under 30 at one stage and just about made our 2nds. :D :
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on November 28, 2021, 09:16:13 PM

I had the correct call and my man from del monte is never far away.
How do we look on the club management front. Most teams are set up, has anyone a list of division 3 and 4 management teams.
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Div 3
Attical             - Chris Burden
Aughlisnfin      - Dolen Croskery
Ballymartin     - Ciaran Brannigan
Bosco             - Mickey McVeigh
Bright             - Francie Toner
Clan Na Banna - Paddy Feeney
Dromara         - Martin Walker
Drumgath       - Jackie Lynch
Shamrocks     - Marty Rafferty
St Pauls         - Paddy Hannigan
Teconnaght    - TBC
Tullylish       - Davy Corbett

Div 4
Aghaderg         - TBC
Ardglass          - Paul O'Shea
Drumaness      - TBC
Dundrum         - John Clarke
East Belfast     - TBC
Glasdrumman  - Glen Burden
Kilclief            - Paul Watterson
Mitchels          - TBC
St Michaels      - TBC     
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 28, 2021, 09:23:09 PM
Kilcoo - M Moran
Burren - J McCorry
CPN - S Mulholland
Clonduff - C McBride
Mayobridge - S Poacher
Carryduff - F Moriarty
Ballyholland - J Lynch
Bryansford - ?
Rostrevor - B Coulter
Loughinisland - K Duffin
RGU - A Robinson
Castlewellan - B Grant?

Longstone - P Trainor?
Glenn - T Bagnall
An Riocht  - B Ruane
Darragh - DJ Kane
Bredagh - B Mason
Saul - C O'Toole
Annaclone - J Haughey?
St John's - ?
Liatroim - F Fitzsimons
Saval - D Hughes?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rafla ta se on November 29, 2021, 09:27:56 AM
Deegan Fegan Convey ONeill for Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 29, 2021, 09:56:09 AM
Why cannot teams play fixtures when they enter a competition. The GAA need to do something about the amount of DNF. It happens too easily in Down and clubs to not seem to do anything about it?
Bryansford not being able to field against Saul. come on Byransford.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on November 29, 2021, 02:22:27 PM
This obviously the wrong time for an U-20s competition; so many players will be away at 3rd level. There is rarely a good time, I suppose
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 29, 2021, 02:27:41 PM
Quote from: befair on November 29, 2021, 02:22:27 PM
This obviously the wrong time for an U-20s competition; so many players will be away at 3rd level. There is rarely a good time, I suppose

U20's has another issue IMO.

currently we play U13, U15, U17 and U20 (sometimes).

If you're like us and look/need lads to play their own agegroup and the one above then under these age groups we've a group at U16 who only get to play U17 as they're ineligible for U20. Hurling wise in Down you'd be playing the same teams four or five times in the year and it goes stale quite quickly..

This needs brought down to U19 as well as the difficulties of finding a slot in the calendar between adult competitons and minor and lads away to university..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 29, 2021, 02:33:49 PM
or maybe Burren, Carryduff, Clonduff, and Mayobridge have a mentality with their club that they field in fixtures and that's why they are in the semi-final. There are always crap excuses but clubs would not have paid money to enter a competition where they did not have enough players. I do not think clubs are that stupid now!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 29, 2021, 02:39:15 PM
Quote from: befair on November 29, 2021, 02:22:27 PM
This obviously the wrong time for an U-20s competition; so many players will be away at 3rd level. There is rarely a good time, I suppose

It's always been a fraught competition; the domain of larger clubs whose numbers allow them to counteract the normal reasons why teenagers drop out of football: just lost interest, new hobbies or distractions, away to university.

I'd guess a number of clubs were like ourselves this year, hopeful that the surges in training numbers for senior football during Covid, would reflect in greater interest and desire among u20s. It was always hopeful.

——

U20 football, u19 football and reserve football should all be thrown out and replaced with a "future stars" league, which runs on a regional basis during the season, before full county knockout stages / championship in late summer. The regionality is key: keep the games local, cut down on travelling.

In reality, with no blocks in place on age limits, this would be reserve football under a different name.  But in reality something needs to change to make reserve football a more attractive proposition to teenagers.

I played reserves at 15. So did everyone. Why on earth modern 18 year olds need another juvenile rung, I don't know.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on November 29, 2021, 03:09:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 29, 2021, 02:39:15 PM
Quote from: befair on November 29, 2021, 02:22:27 PM
This obviously the wrong time for an U-20s competition; so many players will be away at 3rd level. There is rarely a good time, I suppose

It's always been a fraught competition; the domain of larger clubs whose numbers allow them to counteract the normal reasons why teenagers drop out of football: just lost interest, new hobbies or distractions, away to university.

I'd guess a number of clubs were like ourselves this year, hopeful that the surges in training numbers for senior football during Covid, would reflect in greater interest and desire among u20s. It was always hopeful.

——

U20 football, u19 football and reserve football should all be thrown out and replaced with a "future stars" league, which runs on a regional basis during the season, before full county knockout stages / championship in late summer. The regionality is key: keep the games local, cut down on travelling.

In reality, with no blocks in place on age limits, this would be reserve football under a different name.  But in reality something needs to change to make reserve football a more attractive proposition to teenagers.

I played reserves at 15. So did everyone. Why on earth modern 18 year olds need another juvenile rung, I don't know.

Same here. It was always seen as a pathway to playing senior. In my later years at senior it was clear that the mindset had changed. Younger lads who would sit on the bench all year round for the Seniors almost felt insulted at the suggestion of being asked to play reserves. Its like its beneath them. I couldn't understand it, why train 2-3 nights a week at 20 years of age and never play a game. On a Friday night we would have 18-20 lads confirmed for a reserve game on the sunday. When sunday came, id would say 50% of the time we couldn't field, even for home games. Boys not showing up, wouldnt answer their phone and would show up to Mondays training and laugh about it.

I would still like to play reserves (im 36) but soon got fed up of telling the wife we couldn't do anything on a Sunday because i had a game, only to return home before throw in because we couldn't field. If you think I was cross......

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 29, 2021, 04:04:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 29, 2021, 02:39:15 PM
Quote from: befair on November 29, 2021, 02:22:27 PM
This obviously the wrong time for an U-20s competition; so many players will be away at 3rd level. There is rarely a good time, I suppose

It's always been a fraught competition; the domain of larger clubs whose numbers allow them to counteract the normal reasons why teenagers drop out of football: just lost interest, new hobbies or distractions, away to university.

I'd guess a number of clubs were like ourselves this year, hopeful that the surges in training numbers for senior football during Covid, would reflect in greater interest and desire among u20s. It was always hopeful.

——

U20 football, u19 football and reserve football should all be thrown out and replaced with a "future stars" league, which runs on a regional basis during the season, before full county knockout stages / championship in late summer. The regionality is key: keep the games local, cut down on travelling.

In reality, with no blocks in place on age limits, this would be reserve football under a different name.  But in reality something needs to change to make reserve football a more attractive proposition to teenagers.

I played reserves at 15. So did everyone. Why on earth modern 18 year olds need another juvenile rung, I don't know.

I would regard Ballyholland as a larger club tbh, minor champions 3 years ago and contesting underage  A championships finals. Are you losing many players to soccer?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on November 29, 2021, 04:43:16 PM
I think you are mistaking stature for structure. Just because a club wins a competition doesn't automatically give them a larger selection of players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 30, 2021, 08:49:12 AM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on November 29, 2021, 04:43:16 PM
I think you are mistaking stature for structure. Just because a club wins a competition doesn't automatically give them a larger selection of players.

Ballyholland has the biggest pick of players outside of Carryduff and Bredagh and East Belfast.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 30, 2021, 08:54:11 AM
It seems to be the usual suspects taking the under 20 competition serious
Burren Bridge Clonduff and Carryduff
With Kilcoo not in it for obvious reasons
No wonder these teams are consistent in division 1 and always seem to be at the latter stages in most underage A grades
These clubs are putting the work in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 30, 2021, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 30, 2021, 08:54:11 AM
It seems to be the usual suspects taking the under 20 competition serious
Burren Bridge Clonduff and Carryduff
With Kilcoo not in it for obvious reasons
No wonder these teams are consistent in division 1 and always seem to be at the latter stages in most underage A grades
These clubs are putting the work in

Typical south Down arrogance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 30, 2021, 10:18:57 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 30, 2021, 08:54:11 AM
It seems to be the usual suspects taking the under 20 competition serious
Burren Bridge Clonduff and Carryduff
With Kilcoo not in it for obvious reasons
No wonder these teams are consistent in division 1 and always seem to be at the latter stages in most underage A grades
These clubs are putting the work in

Your own club has a chance to win the u20 b competition and is doing great work.

Any word on the new down squad?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 30, 2021, 10:39:06 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 30, 2021, 08:49:12 AM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on November 29, 2021, 04:43:16 PM
I think you are mistaking stature for structure. Just because a club wins a competition doesn't automatically give them a larger selection of players.

Ballyholland has the biggest pick of players outside of Carryduff and Bredagh and East Belfast.

You're confused. Upwards on 70% of players at all grades come from the one small rural primary school.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 30, 2021, 10:49:14 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 30, 2021, 10:39:06 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 30, 2021, 08:49:12 AM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on November 29, 2021, 04:43:16 PM
I think you are mistaking stature for structure. Just because a club wins a competition doesn't automatically give them a larger selection of players.

Ballyholland has the biggest pick of players outside of Carryduff and Bredagh and East Belfast.

You're confused. Upwards on 70% of players at all grades come from the one small rural primary school.


My apologies, I was at an underage game two years ago and one of your supporters was saying that you were getting a bigger influx from Newry people due to your facilities which are first class. Ballyholland have done serious work in the past 20 years or so as they were an intermediate team for most of my playing career.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on November 30, 2021, 04:31:40 PM
Gonna be a busy few months for the Down panel playing catch up even just to get up to same fitness levels as the other  Div 2 teams. Hopefully wee James, and Aidan O'Rouke can get a good buy in from the players they call up. Would imagine it will a very different looking 15 which take to the feild v Monaghan than the one that played v Donegal this year come championship time. Personally I'd like to  see these players involved this year, I'm sure there are plenty I've missed out now.

3 x Johnsons
Shane Annett
Cormac McCartan
Steven Fegan
Ruairi O'Hare
Odhran Murdock  (very young, but some talent)
Owen McCabe (if he can get his form back, seems to be struggling since that bad injury v Mayo.)
Charlie Smyth
Tony Morgan
And M. Rooney from Kilcoo aswell .

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 30, 2021, 04:42:52 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on November 30, 2021, 04:31:40 PM
Gonna be a busy few months for the Down panel playing catch up even just to get up to same fitness levels as the other  Div 2 teams. Hopefully wee James, and Aidan O'Rouke can get a good buy in from the players they call up. Would imagine it will a very different looking 15 which take to the feild v Monaghan than the one that played v Donegal this year come championship time. Personally I'd like to  see these players involved this year, I'm sure there are plenty I've missed out now.

3 x Johnsons
Shane Annett
Cormac McCartan
Steven Fegan
Ruairi O'Hare
Odhran Murdock  (very young, but some talent)
Owen McCabe (if he can get his form back, seems to be struggling since that bad injury v Mayo.)
Charlie Smyth
Tony Morgan
And M. Rooney from Kilcoo aswell .

Would add Andrew Gilmore form St Johns too that list.. Best underage player I've seen and to that played well for the u20s, St Johns star man and is playing up front for the Poly and scored a few goals and a number of points for them already
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 30, 2021, 07:04:27 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on November 30, 2021, 04:31:40 PM
Gonna be a busy few months for the Down panel playing catch up even just to get up to same fitness levels as the other  Div 2 teams. Hopefully wee James, and Aidan O'Rouke can get a good buy in from the players they call up. Would imagine it will a very different looking 15 which take to the feild v Monaghan than the one that played v Donegal this year come championship time. Personally I'd like to  see these players involved this year, I'm sure there are plenty I've missed out now.

3 x Johnsons
Shane Annett
Cormac McCartan
Steven Fegan
Ruairi O'Hare
Odhran Murdock  (very young, but some talent)
Owen McCabe (if he can get his form back, seems to be struggling since that bad injury v Mayo.)
Charlie Smyth
Tony Morgan
And M. Rooney from Kilcoo aswell .

I'd also like to see Arthur McConville get another decent go at county level if he is keen, and maybe young Close from Clonduff too (though I'm not sure what age he is, would he be under 20's?)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 30, 2021, 10:39:08 PM

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I'd also like to see Arthur McConville get another decent go at county level if he is keen, and maybe young Close from Clonduff too (though I'm not sure what age he is, would he be under 20's?)
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U want to see 31 year old Arthur playing for our county?? A player who was taken off in the championship v Burren in the white heat of high level football as he was poor.

Other names suggested in previous post are generally good. Although I seen Charlie Smith get his ass handed to him last week v Burren in u20 game.. Goalkeeper - possibly but def not for outfield.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 01, 2021, 08:18:50 AM
Arthur no. He hasn't produced the goods for Clonduff in the heat of the battle in championship football. That could be said for most Clonduff players
Smyth certainly goalkeeper nothing else
Close doesn't even stand out for Clonduff
A lot getting carried away about the 20s players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 01, 2021, 08:58:14 AM
RIP Barney Carr. A legend in Down. I know few on here will remember his team of the 60's, but we were all told of the stories of the great football Another link to our breakthrough era gone to their great reward. 98 years of age. RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 01, 2021, 09:22:23 AM
RIP Barney, what a giant in Down football, may he rest in peace.

I am really looking forward to heading to Cavan on Saturday for the An Riocht and Kilcoo doubleheader. The whole county should get behind these two clubs in their assault for Ulster glory.

I would like to see Oran Flanagan, Breannain McComiskey and Shea Croskery get a run with the county. Miceal Rooney and Jamie O'Hagan are two other players that could get a call.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 01, 2021, 01:33:15 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 30, 2021, 10:39:08 PM


I'd also like to see Arthur McConville get another decent go at county level if he is keen, and maybe young Close from Clonduff too (though I'm not sure what age he is, would he be under 20's?)
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U want to see 31 year old Arthur playing for our county?? A player who was taken off in the championship v Burren in the white heat of high level football as he was poor.

Other names suggested in previous post are generally good. Although I seen Charlie Smith get his ass handed to him last week v Burren in u20 game.. Goalkeeper - possibly but def not for outfield.
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Yes, or I wouldn't have written that. It's called having options, given the team isn't in the middle of a planned building process and playing style development it would do no harm at all to have a big lad to ruffle some feathers if need be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 01, 2021, 01:35:43 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 01, 2021, 08:18:50 AM
Arthur no. He hasn't produced the goods for Clonduff in the heat of the battle in championship football. That could be said for most Clonduff players
Smyth certainly goalkeeper nothing else
Close doesn't even stand out for Clonduff
A lot getting carried away about the 20s players

I wouldn't be the type to write off anyone considering any player showing potential can in theory be coached to improve and become consistent. Finding players won't happen by looking at who scored the most in the SFC every year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 01, 2021, 02:57:25 PM
Jarlath Branigan and Donal Hughes are worth a run too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: shagger on December 01, 2021, 03:27:29 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on November 30, 2021, 04:31:40 PM
Gonna be a busy few months for the Down panel playing catch up even just to get up to same fitness levels as the other  Div 2 teams. Hopefully wee James, and Aidan O'Rouke can get a good buy in from the players they call up. Would imagine it will a very different looking 15 which take to the feild v Monaghan than the one that played v Donegal this year come championship time. Personally I'd like to  see these players involved this year, I'm sure there are plenty I've missed out now.

3 x Johnsons
Shane Annett
Cormac McCartan
Steven Fegan
Ruairi O'Hare
Odhran Murdock  (very young, but some talent)
Owen McCabe (if he can get his form back, seems to be struggling since that bad injury v Mayo.)
Charlie Smyth
Tony Morgan
And M. Rooney from Kilcoo aswell .

Our current keepers got a lot stick last year, who do we bring in to better this position if that's the case??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on December 01, 2021, 03:50:01 PM
Nice touch by Bryansford today thanking the current (old) management team on social media after sacking them. Not sure who benefited most from that post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 01, 2021, 03:54:11 PM
Quote from: thebar on December 01, 2021, 03:50:01 PM
Nice touch by Bryansford today thanking the current (old) management team on social media after sacking them. Not sure who benefited most from that post.

The statement now has been changed, whoever posted the first one should get the road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on December 01, 2021, 04:42:59 PM
Kilcoo 4-1 on on Saturday, evens -4 pts; is Daryl Brannigan fit?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on December 01, 2021, 07:59:04 PM
More like 1/4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 01, 2021, 08:33:10 PM
Quote from: Targetman on December 01, 2021, 07:59:04 PM
More like 1/4
thats what 4-1 on means
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 01, 2021, 09:47:35 PM
Quote from: Targetman on December 01, 2021, 07:59:04 PM
More like 1/4
That's what he said 4/1 on. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 01, 2021, 09:48:58 PM
Marty O'Rourke taking Ballyholland.

5 coaches from outside the county taking teams in Division 1.

Is this why we struggle to find suitable candidates for our senior county team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down0202 on December 02, 2021, 03:00:18 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 01, 2021, 08:18:50 AM
Arthur no. He hasn't produced the goods for Clonduff in the heat of the battle in championship football. That could be said for most Clonduff players
Smyth certainly goalkeeper nothing else
Close doesn't even stand out for Clonduff
A lot getting carried away about the 20s players

Two players that dominated yourselves in the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 02, 2021, 08:28:57 AM
Those 2 players didn't dominate us
Not haven a go but AMC hasnt done it on the biggest stage
Against Burren he was taken off when the game was in the melting pot
Anyway not getting into it I just don't think he is up to it
Any potential new names on the squad?
Big rumour Caolan Mooney has retired
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 02, 2021, 08:58:12 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 02, 2021, 08:28:57 AM
Those 2 players didn't dominate us
Not haven a go but AMC hasnt done it on the biggest stage
Against Burren he was taken off when the game was in the melting pot
Anyway not getting into it I just don't think he is up to it
Any potential new names on the squad?
Big rumour Caolan Mooney has retired

First I have heard that but he is only young so I can't imagine this to be true.
It will be interesting to see what O'Rourke can bring to Ballyholland, I have not heard of him much in managing. That's all the positions filled bar Bryansford and the Fin. The Fin could do with a big name to try and take them to the next level.

Will Down school win anything of note in schools GAA this year? Would the Red high be one of the favorites for the McLarnon? St Malachys took a pasting in the first game as did Knock. St Malachys and St Marks were always stepped in Gaelic football and given the clubs that feed into them should they not be playing at a higher level. Would these schools be playing Rannnafast football does anyone know. I cannot see anything on the website which is hard to navigate. Smurfy do you know anything about St Marks? I mind playing them years ago when Barney was in charge and they were well drilled.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 02, 2021, 10:31:14 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 02, 2021, 08:58:12 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 02, 2021, 08:28:57 AM
Those 2 players didn't dominate us
Not haven a go but AMC hasnt done it on the biggest stage
Against Burren he was taken off when the game was in the melting pot
Anyway not getting into it I just don't think he is up to it
Any potential new names on the squad?
Big rumour Caolan Mooney has retired

First I have heard that but he is only young so I can't imagine this to be true.
It will be interesting to see what O'Rourke can bring to Ballyholland, I have not heard of him much in managing. That's all the positions filled bar Bryansford and the Fin. The Fin could do with a big name to try and take them to the next level.

Will Down school win anything of note in schools GAA this year? Would the Red high be one of the favorites for the McLarnon? St Malachys took a pasting in the first game as did Knock. St Malachys and St Marks were always stepped in Gaelic football and given the clubs that feed into them should they not be playing at a higher level. Would these schools be playing Rannnafast football does anyone know. I cannot see anything on the website which is hard to navigate. Smurfy do you know anything about St Marks? I mind playing them years ago when Barney was in charge and they were well drilled.

Red High have a good chance of doing well in the Mageean Cup.

They strengthened their hand with a few lads from St Columbas going there to do A levels, have already beaten one of the favourites in the group stages and are in the semi-finals on friday night.

All good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 02, 2021, 10:39:07 AM
 There were a good few lads from Portaferry and one from Ballygalget, in my year, when I was at the red high, only a couple of them hurled though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 02, 2021, 10:55:54 AM
That's fantastic to see the Red High playing A level hurling, fair play. Due to its size and the great clubs that supply players to the school, they should be playing A level football and hurling most seasons.
Is there a reason the likes of St Colmans and St Pats Maghera seem to perform well at A level?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 02, 2021, 11:40:34 AM
Quote from: ardtole on December 02, 2021, 10:39:07 AM
There were a good few lads from Portaferry and one from Ballygalget, in my year, when I was at the red high, only a couple of them hurled though.

Not everyone from Ballygalget nor Portaferry hurls I'm afraid to say..

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 02, 2021, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 02, 2021, 11:40:34 AM
Quote from: ardtole on December 02, 2021, 10:39:07 AM
There were a good few lads from Portaferry and one from Ballygalget, in my year, when I was at the red high, only a couple of them hurled though.

Not everyone from Ballygalget nor Portaferry hurls I'm afraid to say..

Would clubs in the Ards never play football or even amalgamate to try and get one team from that area? I am sure with a bit of organization and Ards amalgamation would give the junior championship a rattle if the players committed. Maybe that is something the county board could look into. We often cry about hurling not being promoted in areas especially the bigger traditional football clubs but the Hurling snobs in the county can't throw Stones either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on December 02, 2021, 12:43:00 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 02, 2021, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 02, 2021, 11:40:34 AM
Quote from: ardtole on December 02, 2021, 10:39:07 AM
There were a good few lads from Portaferry and one from Ballygalget, in my year, when I was at the red high, only a couple of them hurled though.

Not everyone from Ballygalget nor Portaferry hurls I'm afraid to say..

Would clubs in the Ards never play football or even amalgamate to try and get one team from that area? I am sure with a bit of organization and Ards amalgamation would give the junior championship a rattle if the players committed. Maybe that is something the county board could look into. We often cry about hurling not being promoted in areas especially the bigger traditional football clubs but the Hurling snobs in the county can't throw Stones either.

Only 4 clubs in Down don't play football and 2 of those used to have football teams. 10 other clubs offer hurling and Saul have just starting at underage. Since the 90s Drumaness, Rostrevor, RGU & Darragh Cross have all stopped hurling. In the 80s Kilcoo, St Johns, An Riocht and Mayobridge all had teams too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on December 02, 2021, 01:32:03 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 02, 2021, 08:28:57 AM
Those 2 players didn't dominate us
Not haven a go but AMC hasnt done it on the biggest stage
Against Burren he was taken off when the game was in the melting pot
Anyway not getting into it I just don't think he is up to it
Any potential new names on the squad?
Big rumour Caolan Mooney has retired
Smurfy Any truth to the rumours that the Boyle bros have retired from football with CPN?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 02, 2021, 02:47:57 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 02, 2021, 11:40:34 AM
Quote from: ardtole on December 02, 2021, 10:39:07 AM
There were a good few lads from Portaferry and one from Ballygalget, in my year, when I was at the red high, only a couple of them hurled though.

Not everyone from Ballygalget nor Portaferry hurls I'm afraid to say..
The previous poster suggested the Red High should be competing at Mageean cup level regularly.

Kilclief are probably the only hurling club in the red highs main catchment area, so id imagine the hurling success would be sporadic and dependant on ards students studying a levels there, and of course the majority of them would need to be hurlers too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 02, 2021, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: ardtole on December 02, 2021, 02:47:57 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 02, 2021, 11:40:34 AM
Quote from: ardtole on December 02, 2021, 10:39:07 AM
There were a good few lads from Portaferry and one from Ballygalget, in my year, when I was at the red high, only a couple of them hurled though.

Not everyone from Ballygalget nor Portaferry hurls I'm afraid to say..
The previous poster suggested the Red High should be competing at Mageean cup level regularly.

Kilclief are probably the only hurling club in the red highs main catchment area, so id imagine the hurling success would be sporadic and dependant on ards students studying a levels there, and of course the majority of them would need to be hurlers too.

Portaferry is in the Red Highs catchment area I'd have thought and not just kids who have been to St Columba's. We've a good few kids from our club there as well, Ballycran less so but I think there's a few on their Mageean team and panel.

Knock would get the majority of kids from our local primary school most years, I'd say kircubbin PS is the same, less so from Poraferry as it's probably down to geographical handiness.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 02, 2021, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 02, 2021, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 02, 2021, 11:40:34 AM
Quote from: ardtole on December 02, 2021, 10:39:07 AM
There were a good few lads from Portaferry and one from Ballygalget, in my year, when I was at the red high, only a couple of them hurled though.

Not everyone from Ballygalget nor Portaferry hurls I'm afraid to say..

Would clubs in the Ards never play football or even amalgamate to try and get one team from that area? I am sure with a bit of organization and Ards amalgamation would give the junior championship a rattle if the players committed. Maybe that is something the county board could look into. We often cry about hurling not being promoted in areas especially the bigger traditional football clubs but the Hurling snobs in the county can't throw Stones either.

Any lad from the Ards who wants to play football can go to Darragh Cross, Saul, Kilclief and even Loughinisland. As for an amalgamation at football, that's as likely as Burren and Kilcoo amalgamating to put in a hurling team for the year.

no stones being thrown here, just point out facts and i think the CB has enough on it's plate getting a competitive football team out of 30 plus football clubs without promoting football in what is a pretty small catchment area player wise when the likes of Newry, Newcastle, Castlewellan and even Downpatrick aren't exactly setting the world alight football wise with much larger catchments. The three Ards parishes have a combined population of in and around 5K and like I said before not everyone plays hurling here let alone has an interest in the GAA.

In fairness Castlewellan are making strides at underage hurling and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 02, 2021, 04:46:11 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 02, 2021, 03:19:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 02, 2021, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 02, 2021, 11:40:34 AM
Quote from: ardtole on December 02, 2021, 10:39:07 AM
There were a good few lads from Portaferry and one from Ballygalget, in my year, when I was at the red high, only a couple of them hurled though.

Not everyone from Ballygalget nor Portaferry hurls I'm afraid to say..

Would clubs in the Ards never play football or even amalgamate to try and get one team from that area? I am sure with a bit of organization and Ards amalgamation would give the junior championship a rattle if the players committed. Maybe that is something the county board could look into. We often cry about hurling not being promoted in areas especially the bigger traditional football clubs but the Hurling snobs in the county can't throw Stones either.

Any lad from the Ards who wants to play football can go to Darragh Cross, Saul, Kilclief and even Loughinisland. As for an amalgamation at football, that's as likely as Burren and Kilcoo amalgamating to put in a hurling team for the year.

no stones being thrown here, just point out facts and i think the CB has enough on it's plate getting a competitive football team out of 30 plus football clubs without promoting football in what is a pretty small catchment area player wise when the likes of Newry, Newcastle, Castlewellan and even Downpatrick aren't exactly setting the world alight football wise with much larger catchments. The three Ards parishes have a combined population of in and around 5K and like I said before not everyone plays hurling here let alone has an interest in the GAA.

In fairness Castlewellan are making strides at underage hurling and long may it continue.

That's a very diplomatic answer but one that I am sure you would get something simpler if you mentioned starting up hurling in Kilcoo. "Sure if they want to play they can head to Laitriom or Castlewellan". Clubs are afraid of losing players and afraid of embracing change. Ballyholland, Bryansford, Castlewellan and RGU will all be playing in divison 1 next year but I get your point about Newry. You boys across the Lough are scared of the big ball. It's great to see saul begin the hurling and is a boost of the Downpatrick area. The RGU were started as a hurling club! The Mournes should have a hurling team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 02, 2021, 05:15:09 PM

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First I have heard that but he is only young so I can't imagine this to be true.
It will be interesting to see what O'Rourke can bring to Ballyholland, I have not heard of him much in managing. That's all the positions filled bar Bryansford and the Fin. The Fin could do with a big name to try and take them to the next level.

Will Down school win anything of note in schools GAA this year? Would the Red high be one of the favorites for the McLarnon? St Malachys took a pasting in the first game as did Knock. St Malachys and St Marks were always stepped in Gaelic football and given the clubs that feed into them should they not be playing at a higher level. Would these schools be playing Rannnafast football does anyone know. I cannot see anything on the website which is hard to navigate. Smurfy do you know anything about St Marks? I mind playing them years ago when Barney was in charge and they were well drilled.
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I went to St Mark's myself and loved the football there under Barney. My lad goes there now and it's a joke what's happening to a school of their stature football wise. I understand them having no football for u18/u19 as they have limited places in A levels and one year only had 10 boys in the whole A level programme. But U16s and U14s used to be dominated by them. My lad comes home and tells me of playing nerf wars at PE instead of GAA and my blood boils. If the interest ain't there from teachers - the pupils can do very little.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 03, 2021, 08:59:26 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 02, 2021, 05:15:09 PM


First I have heard that but he is only young so I can't imagine this to be true.
It will be interesting to see what O'Rourke can bring to Ballyholland, I have not heard of him much in managing. That's all the positions filled bar Bryansford and the Fin. The Fin could do with a big name to try and take them to the next level.

Will Down school win anything of note in schools GAA this year? Would the Red high be one of the favorites for the McLarnon? St Malachys took a pasting in the first game as did Knock. St Malachys and St Marks were always stepped in Gaelic football and given the clubs that feed into them should they not be playing at a higher level. Would these schools be playing Rannnafast football does anyone know. I cannot see anything on the website which is hard to navigate. Smurfy do you know anything about St Marks? I mind playing them years ago when Barney was in charge and they were well drilled.
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I went to St Mark's myself and loved the football there under Barney. My lad goes there now and it's a joke what's happening to a school of their stature football wise. I understand them having no football for u18/u19 as they have limited places in A levels and one year only had 10 boys in the whole A level programme. But U16s and U14s used to be dominated by them. My lad comes home and tells me of playing nerf wars at PE instead of GAA and my blood boils. If the interest ain't there from teachers - the pupils can do very little.
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St Marks is in South Down heartland and has players from Warrenpoint, Rostrevor, Ballyholland, Burren, Mayobridge and Clonduff feeding it so it is a school that should be one of the best about in football terms. When I was going to school they were a force to be reckoned with at schools level and were always the team to beat. I hope for Down GAA that they can improve their results.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 03, 2021, 10:30:54 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 03, 2021, 08:59:26 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 02, 2021, 05:15:09 PM


St Marks is in South Down heartland and has players from Warrenpoint, Rostrevor, Ballyholland, Burren, Mayobridge and Clonduff feeding it so it is a school that should be one of the best about in football terms. When I was going to school they were a force to be reckoned with at schools level and were always the team to beat. I hope for Down GAA that they can improve their results.

We played St Marks in the Down U16.5 vocational final back in the day. got an absolute walloping in Liatroim IIRC and I scored our only score, a goal I might add. Liam Howlett was the star for them back then.. They went on the win the AI that year.

We'd beaten LaSalle Downpatrick and St Louie's Kilkeel on our way to the final and only one of our team played club football for Kilclief, the rest the only time they played football was at school PE. I don't even think we trained after school back then.
We'd an Allstar at midfield for us though.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 03, 2021, 11:04:43 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 02, 2021, 05:15:09 PM


First I have heard that but he is only young so I can't imagine this to be true.
It will be interesting to see what O'Rourke can bring to Ballyholland, I have not heard of him much in managing. That's all the positions filled bar Bryansford and the Fin. The Fin could do with a big name to try and take them to the next level.

Will Down school win anything of note in schools GAA this year? Would the Red high be one of the favorites for the McLarnon? St Malachys took a pasting in the first game as did Knock. St Malachys and St Marks were always stepped in Gaelic football and given the clubs that feed into them should they not be playing at a higher level. Would these schools be playing Rannnafast football does anyone know. I cannot see anything on the website which is hard to navigate. Smurfy do you know anything about St Marks? I mind playing them years ago when Barney was in charge and they were well drilled.
[/quote]

I went to St Mark's myself and loved the football there under Barney. My lad goes there now and it's a joke what's happening to a school of their stature football wise. I understand them having no football for u18/u19 as they have limited places in A levels and one year only had 10 boys in the whole A level programme. But U16s and U14s used to be dominated by them. My lad comes home and tells me of playing nerf wars at PE instead of GAA and my blood boils. If the interest ain't there from teachers - the pupils can do very little.
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Thats where the issue lies IMO Johnny.. Teachers they just aren't there in the schools at this moment in time. Red High have Morgan who will coach them along well but obviously they will have a year or 2 where the talent isn't there, whereas St Malachys and St Marks as far as I know don't have the great coaches/teachers of the past. As you mentioned St Marks had Barney and in St Mal's we had PJ Magee (Best coach/manager I've ever had) and Paul Duffin 2 big GAA men, doesn't matter how bad you were at GAA they made us play it every PE session. Bar the rainy days when we were inside playing soccer or Basketball both sports which compliment GAA.

Dublin and Gaelfast have it to some extent and I know its not cheap but having a GAA coach in our big schools full time would be off big benefit to us finding and keeping players playing GAA within the County
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 03, 2021, 11:35:32 AM
I think more of an emphasis needs to be put on the secondary schools. No point in  O'Toole and Ambrose and the likes running to primary schools to be a glorified PE teacher which gives the teachers an hour on their phone when they could be in these schools giving coaching to lads who want to be coached. It's highly likely that half of the primary kids have no interest and are kicking daisys. Poacher looks to have revitalized St Josephs Newry and going by social media they seem to be pushing GAA heavily which is great for the Newry area. De le Salle Downpatrick and  St Comlcilles in Crossgar are other schools that need a bit of TLC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 03, 2021, 04:58:49 PM
Don't have the same as the past is right. But St Mark's have Treanor who coached Castlewellan to promotion this season and is away with Danny Hughes to Saval next year. Marty Farrell has won ulster title in the school and coached plenty of clubs, Donal O'Hare is in the school and Seàn O'Hare has won numerous titles at schools and club level. Add in big Aidan Farrell, Aidan McGivern and a club mate of mine Eddie O'Hare and they really have zero excuse for being so far behind. Yeah I seen Poacher had 70 odd at an U14s training session on Twitter but St Mark's still hammered them in a recent game.. Stevie mayb needs to stop taking pictures of the sessions and get stuck into them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on December 04, 2021, 11:20:26 AM


We played St Marks in the Down U16.5 vocational final back in the day. got an absolute walloping in Liatroim IIRC and I scored our only score, a goal I might add. Liam Howlett was the star for them back then.. They went on the win the AI that year.

We'd beaten LaSalle Downpatrick and St Louie's Kilkeel on our way to the final and only one of our team played club football for Kilclief, the rest the only time they played football was at school PE. I don't even think we trained after school back then.
We'd an Allstar at midfield for us though.  ;)
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Legs was some soccer player too!  I remember Kilclief playing the Crans in football way back when, I imagine when Greg Blaney transferred to Carryduff that was the beginning of the end of their football team.

We always benefitted from some great footballers coming across the shuck to play minor football for us, many of whom went onto play senior county hurling (when the hurlers were a decent side)! It was only ever a sideline for them though and mostly because a few of our boys were classmates of theirs in St Columbas.

I think there was a county bye law at one stage were the Ports had to field a football team in the minor championship every year, not sure what that was about.

My oul fella taught in Ballyphillip and Noddy, Hunter and those boys were in his P7 class. Best football team he ever had he maintains to this day!!    ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 04, 2021, 12:32:43 PM
Massive result for redhigh last in qualifying for first ever Mageean final. Great to see a Down school in a senior A final. Mainly Portaferry and ballygalget lads but liatroim Castlewellan Carryduff ballycran and Drumaness also represented on the squad.
Hurling definitely on the rise on many levels throughout the county , a lot of good work being done in schools and clubs .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 04, 2021, 06:34:27 PM
Disgraceful scenes in that Kilcoo game - Eugene Brannigan should be handed a hefty suspension.. Wearing tights as an outfield player in a match, unforgivable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 04, 2021, 07:08:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on November 24, 2021, 04:01:06 PM
Any word of who else is involved in backroom team?

I hear Down have appointed some coach but I can't remember his name who has been involved with 3 club teams in the last 3 years, not great if you are gone after one year. The other coach is commentating on the Kilcoo game tonight, who is that? 

Edit. Just discovered it's the uninspiring Aidan O'Rourke. God help us all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 04, 2021, 07:23:09 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 04, 2021, 07:08:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on November 24, 2021, 04:01:06 PM
Any word of who else is involved in backroom team?

I hear Down have appointed some coach but I can't remember his name who has been involved with 3 club teams in the last 3 years, not great if you are gone after one year. The other coach is commentating on the Kilcoo game tonight, who is that?
Aiden O'Rourke is the co commentator on rte, he's along with wee James
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on December 04, 2021, 07:28:12 PM
Kilcoo should have this dead and buried; missed some great opportunities. But look the much superior team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 04, 2021, 07:30:42 PM
Easy for Kilcoo tonight, hard to see who will beat them in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 04, 2021, 07:33:40 PM
Impressive stuff at times from kilcoo, looking strong and fit and they'll take a bit of stopping.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 04, 2021, 07:53:08 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 04, 2021, 06:34:27 PM
Disgraceful scenes in that Kilcoo game - Eugene Brannigan should be handed a hefty suspension.. Wearing tights as an outfield player in a match, unforgivable

He could wear a skirt and ballet shoes in my team if was producing the level of performances he does for Kilcoo. Just honest work. Some asset.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 04, 2021, 08:01:06 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 04, 2021, 07:53:08 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 04, 2021, 06:34:27 PM
Disgraceful scenes in that Kilcoo game - Eugene Brannigan should be handed a hefty suspension.. Wearing tights as an outfield player in a match, unforgivable

He could wear a skirt and ballet shoes in my team if was producing the level of performances he does for Kilcoo. Just honest work. Some asset.
totally agree, great player. A player every team would love to have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 04, 2021, 08:51:57 PM
As an An Riocht man I'm proud of my club for how far we went this year. Disappointed we didn't get over the line today as I felt we were by far the better team and not being clinical enough and our discipline let us down at key stages(start and end of the game). Thought the ref was very picky for us and very lenient on them. Maybe home advantage gave them the 50 50 calls but I'm near sure the ref wanted to stick some of the frees over the bar himself
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 04, 2021, 09:59:05 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on December 04, 2021, 08:51:57 PM
As an An Riocht man I'm proud of my club for how far we went this year. Disappointed we didn't get over the line today as I felt we were by far the better team and not being clinical enough and our discipline let us down at key stages(start and end of the game). Thought the ref was very picky for us and very lenient on them. Maybe home advantage gave them the 50 50 calls but I'm near sure the ref wanted to stick some of the frees over the bar himself
Keeper also done you no favours charging out to the 21 and costing a goal, can't fault the ref for a lack of communication in the defence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 04, 2021, 10:03:40 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 04, 2021, 09:59:05 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on December 04, 2021, 08:51:57 PM
As an An Riocht man I'm proud of my club for how far we went this year. Disappointed we didn't get over the line today as I felt we were by far the better team and not being clinical enough and our discipline let us down at key stages(start and end of the game). Thought the ref was very picky for us and very lenient on them. Maybe home advantage gave them the 50 50 calls but I'm near sure the ref wanted to stick some of the frees over the bar himself
Keeper also done you no favours charging out to the 21 and costing a goal, can't fault the ref for a lack of communication in the defence.
Indeed not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 04, 2021, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on December 04, 2021, 10:03:40 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 04, 2021, 09:59:05 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on December 04, 2021, 08:51:57 PM
As an An Riocht man I'm proud of my club for how far we went this year. Disappointed we didn't get over the line today as I felt we were by far the better team and not being clinical enough and our discipline let us down at key stages(start and end of the game). Thought the ref was very picky for us and very lenient on them. Maybe home advantage gave them the 50 50 calls but I'm near sure the ref wanted to stick some of the frees over the bar himself
Keeper also done you no favours charging out to the 21 and costing a goal, can't fault the ref for a lack of communication in the defence.
Indeed not

That wasn't meant to sound so harsh on the keeper by the way, reading it back it could be seen that way. Just pointing out that it was a very costly avoidable mistake.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 05, 2021, 05:51:24 PM
Kilcoo v Glen Watty Graham's

Who wins???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 05, 2021, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 05, 2021, 05:51:24 PM
Kilcoo v Glen Watty Graham's

Who wins???
kilcoo by 7
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on December 06, 2021, 08:36:40 AM
Hard to call that Kilcoo-WG game but my gut tells me that Glen are overrated a bit. A very good side obviously but Kilcoo are formidable...

The dark horses for the Ulster champ are Derrygonnelly...not sure why no one is talking about them, they absolutely outplayed Kilcoo the last time they met and only for missing free after free after free they would have won that day. I think D'Gonnelly/Kilcoo final and Fermanagh team to win it in ET.

(Can't wait for this comment to be rubbished when WG inevitably beat Kilcoo and D'Gonnelly lose their semi final as well now lol)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 08:48:51 AM
It is hard to know if Kilcoo were good or that Ramor team was crap. It looked like at least 5 or 6 Down teams would have beat that team easily. Hopefully, Jerome commits to the county this year as he has not fulfilled his potential at county level. Maghera looked good ut it is hard to gauge.
Burren looks unstoppable at u20, that is some hammering to give Carryduff.
It looks like a Castlewellan v St Johns final in the B competition but they are both amalagmations.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 06, 2021, 09:02:25 AM
Quote from: No1 on December 04, 2021, 11:20:26 AM


We played St Marks in the Down U16.5 vocational final back in the day. got an absolute walloping in Liatroim IIRC and I scored our only score, a goal I might add. Liam Howlett was the star for them back then.. They went on the win the AI that year.

We'd beaten LaSalle Downpatrick and St Louie's Kilkeel on our way to the final and only one of our team played club football for Kilclief, the rest the only time they played football was at school PE. I don't even think we trained after school back then.
We'd an Allstar at midfield for us though.  ;)

Legs was some soccer player too!  I remember Kilclief playing the Crans in football way back when, I imagine when Greg Blaney transferred to Carryduff that was the beginning of the end of their football team.

We always benefitted from some great footballers coming across the shuck to play minor football for us, many of whom went onto play senior county hurling (when the hurlers were a decent side)! It was only ever a sideline for them though and mostly because a few of our boys were classmates of theirs in St Columbas.

I think there was a county bye law at one stage were the Ports had to field a football team in the minor championship every year, not sure what that was about.

My oul fella taught in Ballyphillip and Noddy, Hunter and those boys were in his P7 class. Best football team he ever had he maintains to this day!!    ;D
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Noddy was meant to be a decent footballer, played U21 championship for Down on the recommendation of his PE teacher in the Red High even though he'd left the school three or four years previous, the hunter I just couldn't image having that bit of subtlety needed with a big ball, a coarse Christian irrespective of the code and maybe three or four years older than Noddy, so your oul fella might be a bit mistaken.

Was talking to one of the red high players last night and he didn't even know that his manager played U21 hurling for Down back in the day and won an Ulster U21 before getting hammered in Fingal by Tipp U21's  featuring Conal Bonnar and John Leahy..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 06, 2021, 09:27:36 AM
Many new faces called into county squad or even  for trials? I know there isn't much time, but I take it they held a few?  Surely few others added to the management ticket aswell?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 06, 2021, 09:56:50 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on December 06, 2021, 09:27:36 AM
Many new faces called into county squad or even  for trials? I know there isn't much time, but I take it they held a few?  Surely few others added to the management ticket aswell?

Gilmore from St Johns has been called up to the panel - probably get a run out in McKenna cup before seeing if he is good enough to be kept for the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on December 06, 2021, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 08:48:51 AM
It is hard to know if Kilcoo were good or that Ramor team was crap. It looked like at least 5 or 6 Down teams would have beat that team easily. Hopefully, Jerome commits to the county this year as he has not fulfilled his potential at county level. Maghera looked good ut it is hard to gauge.
Burren looks unstoppable at u20, that is some hammering to give Carryduff.
It looks like a Castlewellan v St Johns final in the B competition but they are both amalagmations.
Is it right that Castlewellan are amalgamated with RGU and Loughinisland? No problem with them going together but why go in the B competition? Surely that defeats the purpose. Who's in with St Johns?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 06, 2021, 10:59:37 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 06, 2021, 09:02:25 AM
Quote from: No1 on December 04, 2021, 11:20:26 AM


We played St Marks in the Down U16.5 vocational final back in the day. got an absolute walloping in Liatroim IIRC and I scored our only score, a goal I might add. Liam Howlett was the star for them back then.. They went on the win the AI that year.

We'd beaten LaSalle Downpatrick and St Louie's Kilkeel on our way to the final and only one of our team played club football for Kilclief, the rest the only time they played football was at school PE. I don't even think we trained after school back then.
We'd an Allstar at midfield for us though.  ;)

Legs was some soccer player too!  I remember Kilclief playing the Crans in football way back when, I imagine when Greg Blaney transferred to Carryduff that was the beginning of the end of their football team.

We always benefitted from some great footballers coming across the shuck to play minor football for us, many of whom went onto play senior county hurling (when the hurlers were a decent side)! It was only ever a sideline for them though and mostly because a few of our boys were classmates of theirs in St Columbas.

I think there was a county bye law at one stage were the Ports had to field a football team in the minor championship every year, not sure what that was about.

My oul fella taught in Ballyphillip and Noddy, Hunter and those boys were in his P7 class. Best football team he ever had he maintains to this day!!    ;D

Noddy was meant to be a decent footballer, played U21 championship for Down on the recommendation of his PE teacher in the Red High even though he'd left the school three or four years previous, the hunter I just couldn't image having that bit of subtlety needed with a big ball, a coarse Christian irrespective of the code and maybe three or four years older than Noddy, so your oul fella might be a bit mistaken.

Was talking to one of the red high players last night and he didn't even know that his manager played U21 hurling for Down back in the day and won an Ulster U21 before getting hammered in Fingal by Tipp U21's  featuring Conal Bonnar and John Leahy..
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Danny Hughes was also an outstanding footballer with Ballycran. Would have been county standard if circumstances allowed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 11:01:36 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on December 06, 2021, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 08:48:51 AM
It is hard to know if Kilcoo were good or that Ramor team was crap. It looked like at least 5 or 6 Down teams would have beat that team easily. Hopefully, Jerome commits to the county this year as he has not fulfilled his potential at county level. Maghera looked good ut it is hard to gauge.
Burren looks unstoppable at u20, that is some hammering to give Carryduff.
It looks like a Castlewellan v St Johns final in the B competition but they are both amalagmations.
Is it right that Castlewellan are amalgamated with RGU and Loughinisland? No problem with them going together but why go in the B competition? Surely that defeats the purpose. Who's in with St Johns?

Yes I do not know why a club the size of Castlewellen would need to join up, and then play 13 a side
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 11:24:07 AM
Does anyone know why the county board is trying to dilute the authority of the divisional boards. The East Down board is very strong and I wish Ardglass Ryan Kelly all the best in his new role who replaces Ger Connery who has been an excellent chairperson. I do not know why the county board has taken away the underage leagues from the boards. young players loved to play in South and East Down finals with the winner playing off for the county championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on December 06, 2021, 12:42:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 11:01:36 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on December 06, 2021, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 08:48:51 AM
It is hard to know if Kilcoo were good or that Ramor team was crap. It looked like at least 5 or 6 Down teams would have beat that team easily. Hopefully, Jerome commits to the county this year as he has not fulfilled his potential at county level. Maghera looked good ut it is hard to gauge.
Burren looks unstoppable at u20, that is some hammering to give Carryduff.
It looks like a Castlewellan v St Johns final in the B competition but they are both amalagmations.
Is it right that Castlewellan are amalgamated with RGU and Loughinisland? No problem with them going together but why go in the B competition? Surely that defeats the purpose. Who's in with St Johns?

Yes I do not know why a club the size of Castlewellen would need to join up, and then play 13 a side

Castlewellan didn't need to join up, they had entered the 13 a side in their own right.
Neither DP or L'island were fielding so their players were free to play for other clubs and obviously asked castlewellan would they accept them!
The only issue is that after that happened they def should have been put into the 15 a side competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on December 06, 2021, 12:54:23 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on December 06, 2021, 12:42:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 11:01:36 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on December 06, 2021, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 08:48:51 AM
It is hard to know if Kilcoo were good or that Ramor team was crap. It looked like at least 5 or 6 Down teams would have beat that team easily. Hopefully, Jerome commits to the county this year as he has not fulfilled his potential at county level. Maghera looked good ut it is hard to gauge.
Burren looks unstoppable at u20, that is some hammering to give Carryduff.
It looks like a Castlewellan v St Johns final in the B competition but they are both amalagmations.
Is it right that Castlewellan are amalgamated with RGU and Loughinisland? No problem with them going together but why go in the B competition? Surely that defeats the purpose. Who's in with St Johns?

Yes I do not know why a club the size of Castlewellen would need to join up, and then play 13 a side

Castlewellan didn't need to join up, they had entered the 13 a side in their own right.
Neither DP or L'island were fielding so their players were free to play for other clubs and obviously asked castlewellan would they accept them!
The only issue is that after that happened they def should have been put into the 15 a side competition.

Yeah that's probably where the issue is. I wasn't having a go at any team, the county board need to make sure groups are competitive and fair on smaller clubs in the competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 03:19:20 PM
Most teams probably did not want to go into A as they knew Burren would walk it but the county board should have enforced it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on December 06, 2021, 04:23:55 PM
Need to split Burren in two lads...there's at least a couple of All Irelands coming their way in the next decade...in 5yrs the two best teams in Down will be Burren and Burren 2nds #Facts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 06, 2021, 08:51:51 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 11:24:07 AM
Does anyone know why the county board is trying to dilute the authority of the divisional boards. The East Down board is very strong and I wish Ardglass Ryan Kelly all the best in his new role who replaces Ger Connery who has been an excellent chairperson. I do not know why the county board has taken away the underage leagues from the boards. young players loved to play in South and East Down finals with the winner playing off for the county championship.
Are the Leagues not still South/East?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 06, 2021, 09:59:37 PM
Quote from: upandwin on December 06, 2021, 04:23:55 PM
Need to split Burren in two lads...there's at least a couple of All Irelands coming their way in the next decade...in 5yrs the two best teams in Down will be Burren and Burren 2nds #Facts

Until they play Kilcoo..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on December 06, 2021, 11:53:03 PM
Quote from: upandwin on December 06, 2021, 04:23:55 PM
Need to split Burren in two lads...there's at least a couple of All Irelands coming their way in the next decade...in 5yrs the two best teams in Down will be Burren and Burren 2nds #Facts
All Irelands?? Doing what exactly? Can't be football they haven't done a big pile there for years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on December 07, 2021, 08:40:35 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on December 06, 2021, 08:51:51 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 11:24:07 AM
Does anyone know why the county board is trying to dilute the authority of the divisional boards. The East Down board is very strong and I wish Ardglass Ryan Kelly all the best in his new role who replaces Ger Connery who has been an excellent chairperson. I do not know why the county board has taken away the underage leagues from the boards. young players loved to play in South and East Down finals with the winner playing off for the county championship.
Are the Leagues not still South/East?
Only at U11.5 (and below) and U13. U15 up was all county leagues
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 07, 2021, 08:50:56 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 11:24:07 AM
Does anyone know why the county board is trying to dilute the authority of the divisional boards. The East Down board is very strong and I wish Ardglass Ryan Kelly all the best in his new role who replaces Ger Connery who has been an excellent chairperson. I do not know why the county board has taken away the underage leagues from the boards. young players loved to play in South and East Down finals with the winner playing off for the county championship.

Your assumption is that the county board wants control, moreso than having little choice but to take control.

You may well be right too. I don't know.

But I'd prefer people were sure, before ushering in condemnation.

——

Similar with the comment above about the u20 competition "assigned to" the big club almalgalm.

If a team with no known history chooses a competition, and their registered player numbers suggest they're the right fit for it, then why would CCC intervene and force them into a different competition?

——

Not everything is a ploy in admin land folks.

I don't know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 07, 2021, 08:59:01 AM
Quote from: upandwin on December 06, 2021, 04:23:55 PM
Need to split Burren in two lads...there's at least a couple of All Irelands coming their way in the next decade...in 5yrs the two best teams in Down will be Burren and Burren 2nds #Facts

While Burren seems too strong at the current u20 level, one must remember that Kilcoo has not entered and they won the minor championship, narrowly beating Burren in the final. They still have to play Mayoridge and I do not think they will be letting them walk over them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 07, 2021, 09:46:59 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 07, 2021, 08:50:56 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 11:24:07 AM
Does anyone know why the county board is trying to dilute the authority of the divisional boards. The East Down board is very strong and I wish Ardglass Ryan Kelly all the best in his new role who replaces Ger Connery who has been an excellent chairperson. I do not know why the county board has taken away the underage leagues from the boards. young players loved to play in South and East Down finals with the winner playing off for the county championship.

Your assumption is that the county board wants control, moreso than having little choice but to take control.

You may well be right too. I don't know.

But I'd prefer people were sure, before ushering in condemnation.

——

Similar with the comment above about the u20 competition "assigned to" the big club almalgalm.

If a team with no known history chooses a competition, and their registered player numbers suggest they're the right fit for it, then why would CCC intervene and force them into a different competition?

——

Not everything is a ploy in admin land folks.

I don't know.

We all know it's about control. The u14 and u16 divisional finals were excellent showcases and ensured teams were not travelling stupid distances for games. The East Down board will not be going anywhere depsite what the suits that sit on the executive think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 07, 2021, 02:21:51 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 07, 2021, 09:46:59 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 07, 2021, 08:50:56 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 11:24:07 AM
Does anyone know why the county board is trying to dilute the authority of the divisional boards. The East Down board is very strong and I wish Ardglass Ryan Kelly all the best in his new role who replaces Ger Connery who has been an excellent chairperson. I do not know why the county board has taken away the underage leagues from the boards. young players loved to play in South and East Down finals with the winner playing off for the county championship.

Your assumption is that the county board wants control, moreso than having little choice but to take control.

You may well be right too. I don't know.

But I'd prefer people were sure, before ushering in condemnation.

——

Similar with the comment above about the u20 competition "assigned to" the big club almalgalm.

If a team with no known history chooses a competition, and their registered player numbers suggest they're the right fit for it, then why would CCC intervene and force them into a different competition?

——

Not everything is a ploy in admin land folks.

I don't know.

We all know it's about control. The u14 and u16 divisional finals were excellent showcases and ensured teams were not travelling stupid distances for games. The East Down board will not be going anywhere depsite what the suits that sit on the executive think.
Who were in these U14&U16 Divisional Finals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 07, 2021, 03:03:30 PM
Any word on the new panel yet? Who are the coaches?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 07, 2021, 03:05:03 PM
Sad news about referee Colin Murray from Darragh Cross who passed away today, could only be early to mid 40's at best.

RIP Colin and condolences to the family.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 07, 2021, 03:18:14 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 07, 2021, 03:05:03 PM
Sad news about referee Colin Murray from Darragh Cross who passed away today, could only be early to mid 40's at best.

RIP Colin and condolences to the family.

A lovely lad, God be good to him,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 07, 2021, 03:47:34 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on December 07, 2021, 02:21:51 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 07, 2021, 09:46:59 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 07, 2021, 08:50:56 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 06, 2021, 11:24:07 AM
Does anyone know why the county board is trying to dilute the authority of the divisional boards. The East Down board is very strong and I wish Ardglass Ryan Kelly all the best in his new role who replaces Ger Connery who has been an excellent chairperson. I do not know why the county board has taken away the underage leagues from the boards. young players loved to play in South and East Down finals with the winner playing off for the county championship.

Your assumption is that the county board wants control, moreso than having little choice but to take control.

You may well be right too. I don't know.

But I'd prefer people were sure, before ushering in condemnation.

——

Similar with the comment above about the u20 competition "assigned to" the big club almalgalm.

If a team with no known history chooses a competition, and their registered player numbers suggest they're the right fit for it, then why would CCC intervene and force them into a different competition?

——

Not everything is a ploy in admin land folks.

I don't know.

We all know it's about control. The u14 and u16 divisional finals were excellent showcases and ensured teams were not travelling stupid distances for games. The East Down board will not be going anywhere depsite what the suits that sit on the executive think.
Who were in these U14&U16 Divisional Finals?

He ignored you there Ross lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rafla ta se on December 07, 2021, 04:09:37 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 07, 2021, 03:05:03 PM
Sad news about referee Colin Murray from Darragh Cross who passed away today, could only be early to mid 40's at best.

RIP Colin and condolences to the family.

Sad news indeed
scíth a ligean Colin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on December 07, 2021, 04:43:56 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 07, 2021, 03:05:03 PM
Sad news about referee Colin Murray from Darragh Cross who passed away today, could only be early to mid 40's at best.

RIP Colin and condolences to the family.

46 yrs of age. Shocked by this. Worked with him a number of years ago. He was some craic. A good lad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rafla ta se on December 08, 2021, 08:36:25 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 10:54:06 AM
Kilcoo Moran/ Gilligan
Burren McCorry/ Adams
Clonduff McBride/ Copeland
Mayobridge Poacher/Clarke
Ballyholland Murtagh/Fegan
CPN Mulholland/Poland
Loughinisland Duffins/ McCrickard
Carryduff Finny Mo
Rostrevor Benny Coulter/ Neil Coulter
Castlewellan Grant/Hynes
Downpatrick Gracey/ Walsh
Bryansford


Glenn Bagnall / McCartan
Longstone Trainor
Saul O'Toole
Liatrom Frankie Fitz
Saval Hughes/Kearney
Darragh Cross DJ/ Gormley
Annaclone Seamy Quinn/ Haughey
An Riocht Ruane/ Mussen


Bryansford announcment this week/ Fegan and Deegan and talk of ex Carryduff boss Morgan with them?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 08, 2021, 08:46:38 AM
Quote from: rafla ta se on December 08, 2021, 08:36:25 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 24, 2021, 10:54:06 AM
Kilcoo Moran/ Gilligan
Burren McCorry/ Adams
Clonduff McBride/ Copeland
Mayobridge Poacher/Clarke
Ballyholland Murtagh/Fegan
CPN Mulholland/Poland
Loughinisland Duffins/ McCrickard
Carryduff Finny Mo
Rostrevor Benny Coulter/ Neil Coulter
Castlewellan Grant/Hynes
Downpatrick Gracey/ Walsh
Bryansford


Glenn Bagnall / McCartan
Longstone Trainor
Saul O'Toole
Liatrom Frankie Fitz
Saval Hughes/Kearney
Darragh Cross DJ/ Gormley
Annaclone Seamy Quinn/ Haughey
An Riocht Ruane/ Mussen


Bryansford announcment this week/ Fegan and Deegan and talk of ex Carryduff boss Morgan with them?

Were they together at the RGU?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 08, 2021, 09:32:48 AM
Castlewellan v St Johns will be a cracker this weeekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on December 08, 2021, 10:37:22 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on December 08, 2021, 10:13:34 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 08, 2021, 09:32:48 AM
Castlewellan v St Johns will be a cracker this weeekend.
Is this a Divisional cracker or a Down fixture?Will there be prominent people
attending such as Ger Connery and Ryan Kelly?

Post match feed in docs. All welcome. Prominent East Down lads will all be there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 08, 2021, 04:05:00 PM
A big East Down figure could be challenging for the county chair  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Three man weave on December 08, 2021, 04:13:59 PM
Thats awful news, it must be one of your contacts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 08, 2021, 05:24:08 PM
Current chairman of county board is from Bredagh.

Last time I checked Bredagh is in East Down.

Meeting tonight in Zebedee's to select new senior panel.

Several prominent individuals expected to be in attendance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 08, 2021, 07:35:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 08, 2021, 04:05:00 PM
A big East Down figure could be challenging for the county chair  :)
Give us all a clue as to which "big" figure this is?
Surely you are not slagging off someone's body shape🤷🏻‍♂️
or did you not want to use the word "prominent" again&again zzzzz!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 08, 2021, 07:47:37 PM
Prominent
Well known
Big figure
Frequents the eating houses around Downpatrick

Could it be that TTs contact is ..... (drum roll)

... Ronald McDonald for chairman!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on December 08, 2021, 09:21:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 08, 2021, 04:05:00 PM
A big East Down figure could be challenging for the county chair  :)
Yes,I heard G.Connery is putting his name in the hat for an East Down Derby at Convention.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 08, 2021, 09:27:20 PM
Some clubs back out training already for next year - and I'm not talking about gym sessions in groups and f 4-6...  What is going on with these people?? Are they trying to justify huge £££ by taking players for running sessions in December??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 08, 2021, 09:55:53 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 08, 2021, 09:27:20 PM
Some clubs back out training already for next year - and I'm not talking about gym sessions in groups and f 4-6...  What is going on with these people?? Are they trying to justify huge £££ by taking players for running sessions in December??

Never understand this.. Players are just going to be burnt out by May/June and be worth feck all come Championship/League business end. S&C and some individual running is suffice enough until Mid-Jan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on December 08, 2021, 10:08:17 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 08, 2021, 09:27:20 PM
Some clubs back out training already for next year - and I'm not talking about gym sessions in groups and f 4-6...  What is going on with these people?? Are they trying to justify huge £££ by taking players for running sessions in December??

What teams are back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 08, 2021, 10:14:43 PM
Saval are back and bridge were in one of our famous parks for running session... My own club doing way too much for December too..
Mad..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 08, 2021, 10:19:27 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 08, 2021, 10:14:43 PM
Saval are back and bridge were in one of our famous parks for running session... My own club doing way too much for December too..
Mad..
Now now Johnny, don't be spreading such rumours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on December 09, 2021, 08:13:54 AM
Rostrevor running kilbroney on saturdays and sundays too. Madness 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 09, 2021, 08:43:36 AM
Most clubs would have met up with a view to get some weight training done. Imagine a team training over winter. In 3 weeks' time it will be full steam ahead. of sorry every team will have met up bar Bryansford.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 09, 2021, 08:44:52 AM
Madness if teams are on the pitch already. Never mind 2 or 3 times a week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 09, 2021, 08:56:39 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 09, 2021, 08:44:52 AM
Madness if teams are on the pitch already. Never mind 2 or 3 times a week

Sure the Point are training Smurfy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 09, 2021, 09:00:27 AM
Does anyone know when the Down yearbook will be released? It usually was a good Christmas present and I am glad it is returning. It is great at looking back at old yearbooks from the 80's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Three man weave on December 09, 2021, 09:17:43 AM
Imagine the disappointment of a child waking up on christmas day to open their presents and they get a Down yearbook :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Three man weave on December 09, 2021, 09:19:30 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on December 09, 2021, 08:13:54 AM
Rostrevor running kilbroney on saturdays and sundays too. Madness
They must be taking it more serious than last year anyways, sad to see how things ended between players and management. Be interesting to see what Benny does
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 09, 2021, 10:32:47 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 09, 2021, 09:00:27 AM
Does anyone know when the Down yearbook will be released? It usually was a good Christmas present and I am glad it is returning. It is great at looking back at old yearbooks from the 80's.
I used to always get the yearbook for xmas and have still held on to them. Think i have 2008-2013 which might have been the last one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 09, 2021, 10:34:35 AM
I think my collection starts from 1981 or 1982, they are a great historical document.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 09, 2021, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Three man weave on December 09, 2021, 09:19:30 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on December 09, 2021, 08:13:54 AM
Rostrevor running kilbroney on saturdays and sundays too. Madness
They must be taking it more serious than last year anyways, sad to see how things ended between players and management. Be interesting to see what Benny does
Hearing the previous Management may be heading up the Whiterock Road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Three man weave on December 09, 2021, 11:08:17 AM
So by all accounts, Rostrevor, Saval and Mayobridge all started back up. Ironically three teams renowned for the drink  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 09, 2021, 11:39:03 AM
Quote from: Three man weave on December 09, 2021, 11:08:17 AM
So by all accounts, Rostrevor, Saval and Mayobridge all started back up. Ironically three teams renowned for the drink  ;D

Ardglass have started training too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: smort on December 09, 2021, 12:06:09 PM
Out of interest, do you know when the club season is starting in Down next year?

The split season surely means club activity starting a bit later than normal at the very least

Teams training already would seem to be complete madness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on December 09, 2021, 01:48:43 PM
O Rourke on 40k for coaching down some dollar
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Three man weave on December 09, 2021, 01:54:54 PM
Disgrace if true, why would anyone go into full time employment, if you can make ur living as a football coach. Maybe its time to pay players who actually do all the hard work  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 09, 2021, 02:25:19 PM
Quote from: smort on December 09, 2021, 12:06:09 PM
Out of interest, do you know when the club season is starting in Down next year?

The split season surely means club activity starting a bit later than normal at the very least

Teams training already would seem to be complete madness
Think we will see preseason tournament again around may/june time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 09, 2021, 03:15:34 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on December 09, 2021, 02:25:19 PM
Quote from: smort on December 09, 2021, 12:06:09 PM
Out of interest, do you know when the club season is starting in Down next year?

The split season surely means club activity starting a bit later than normal at the very least

Teams training already would seem to be complete madness
Think we will see preseason tournament again around may/june time
Saw an article in the Irish News about the Tyrone leagues. 9 starred games through 2021.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 09, 2021, 03:59:44 PM
I  got a half-day today so I decided to take a walk around the lake, afterwards, and you cant visit the Town without a visit to Zebedees. There I got speaking to a high ranking figure in the Castlewellan club who informed me that Donal O'Hare is another player who has stepped away from the county. He has taken on a coaching job in Louth.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 09, 2021, 05:07:10 PM
Where'd ya eat?
What ya have & how was it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 09, 2021, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on December 09, 2021, 03:15:34 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on December 09, 2021, 02:25:19 PM
Quote from: smort on December 09, 2021, 12:06:09 PM
Out of interest, do you know when the club season is starting in Down next year?

The split season surely means club activity starting a bit later than normal at the very least

Teams training already would seem to be complete madness
Think we will see preseason tournament again around may/june time
Saw an article in the Irish News about the Tyrone leagues. 9 starred games through 2021.
A lot more starred games in Down would help in the Leagues.Too many excuses for not playing.It hasn't done Tyrone much harm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on December 09, 2021, 09:45:20 PM
Mourne Red and wobbller moving close to getting warnings/bans.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 09, 2021, 10:07:28 PM
We'll have to continue our discussion at the next Island/Bridge match Wobbller lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 09, 2021, 10:13:48 PM
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A lot more starred games in Down would help in the Leagues.Too many excuses for not playing.It hasn't done Tyrone much harm.
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How would this help exactly???
Clubs with county players and county players themselves getting punished for playing elite level?? Whereas clubs who don't send players/players who won't commit to county field close to their best team week in week out.. doesn't seem like it would help our league programme at all.. Let Tyrone do what they want - they haven't competed well in the Ulster club championship in absolute years.. so they haven't got it all sussed!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 10, 2021, 08:45:21 AM
The more starred games mean that fringe players will leave the county as managers will be in their ear. We need every player available to us in 2022 as we need to at least consolidate our place in division two.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 10, 2021, 08:58:07 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 09, 2021, 10:07:28 PM
We'll have to continue our discussion at the next Island/Bridge match Wobbller lol
🤝🤝
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on December 10, 2021, 11:31:43 AM
Any news on wee James and o'rourkes backroom team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on December 10, 2021, 11:38:21 AM
Ronan mcmahon in with them. Still looking for other coaches
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 10, 2021, 06:20:33 PM
Quote from: wobbller on December 09, 2021, 10:49:15 AM
Quote from: Three man weave on December 09, 2021, 09:19:30 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on December 09, 2021, 08:13:54 AM
Rostrevor running kilbroney on saturdays and sundays too. Madness
They must be taking it more serious than last year anyways, sad to see how things ended between players and management. Be interesting to see what Benny does
Hearing the previous Management may be heading up the Whiterock Road.

To some it may be a joke. Others will take everything they read as gospel and that's how rumours start. The board is descending quickly into a school hall.

Rostrevor have not started back, the previous management are taking the minors and last year was taken extremely seriously. Simply not good enough was all. So just for anyone wanting the truth; there you have it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 10, 2021, 11:20:41 PM
Supersub is it true to say that there will be potentially alot of players returning to play for Rostrevor this season who may have retired slightly early or stayed away mainly due to Pete mcgrath being the man in charge previously???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 11, 2021, 06:41:04 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 10, 2021, 11:20:41 PM
Supersub is it true to say that there will be potentially alot of players returning to play for Rostrevor this season who may have retired slightly early or stayed away mainly due to Pete mcgrath being the man in charge previously???

Playing for Rostrevor - one player that stepped away for 5-6 weeks is currently training with Down!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 11, 2021, 08:03:39 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 11, 2021, 06:41:04 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on December 10, 2021, 11:20:41 PM
Supersub is it true to say that there will be potentially alot of players returning to play for Rostrevor this season who may have retired slightly early or stayed away mainly due to Pete mcgrath being the man in charge previously???

Playing for Rostrevor - one player that stepped away for 5-6 weeks is currently training with Down!!!
And who is it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 12, 2021, 04:28:24 PM
Is James struggling to get coaches to help him out? Taking a coach who has been in three clubs in the last three years wouldn't really show the quality we need at this level. Is this all he has at the minute or has there been anyone else added recently?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on December 13, 2021, 09:10:34 AM
Quote from: Lotto on December 12, 2021, 04:28:24 PM
Is James struggling to get coaches to help him out? Taking a coach who has been in three clubs in the last three years wouldn't really show the quality we need at this level. Is this all he has at the minute or has there been anyone else added recently?
;D ;D
Someone from beyond Clonduff towards the forgotten part of the County would
be a good start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 13, 2021, 09:18:56 AM
Quote from: imagine on December 13, 2021, 09:10:34 AM
Quote from: Lotto on December 12, 2021, 04:28:24 PM
Is James struggling to get coaches to help him out? Taking a coach who has been in three clubs in the last three years wouldn't really show the quality we need at this level. Is this all he has at the minute or has there been anyone else added recently?
;D ;D
Someone from beyond Clonduff towards the forgotten part of the County would
be a good start

Where is the forgotten part of the county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on December 13, 2021, 09:20:08 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 13, 2021, 09:18:56 AM
Quote from: imagine on December 13, 2021, 09:10:34 AM
Quote from: Lotto on December 12, 2021, 04:28:24 PM
Is James struggling to get coaches to help him out? Taking a coach who has been in three clubs in the last three years wouldn't really show the quality we need at this level. Is this all he has at the minute or has there been anyone else added recently?
;D ;D
Someone from beyond Clonduff towards the forgotten part of the County would
be a good start


Where is the forgotten part of the county?
Around where you live
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 13, 2021, 09:45:36 AM
The sooner the centre of excellence is  complete, it won't be forgotten again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on December 13, 2021, 10:59:37 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 13, 2021, 09:45:36 AM
The sooner the centre of excellence is  complete, it won't be forgotten again
You're right there!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Three man weave on December 13, 2021, 11:05:35 AM
Quote from: Lotto on December 12, 2021, 04:28:24 PM
Is James struggling to get coaches to help him out? Taking a coach who has been in three clubs in the last three years wouldn't really show the quality we need at this level. Is this all he has at the minute or has there been anyone else added recently?
Jody Gormley in with James and Aidan, in as a coach. Confirmed later
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 13, 2021, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: Three man weave on December 13, 2021, 11:05:35 AM
Quote from: Lotto on December 12, 2021, 04:28:24 PM
Is James struggling to get coaches to help him out? Taking a coach who has been in three clubs in the last three years wouldn't really show the quality we need at this level. Is this all he has at the minute or has there been anyone else added recently?
Jody Gormley in with James and Aidan, in as a coach. Confirmed later

Would be a good appointment, done well with the Island and Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Three man weave on December 13, 2021, 01:06:36 PM
Champions League being redrawn cause of their complete mess-up. Maybe its time we start cracking down on our Countys dodgy championship draws ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 13, 2021, 01:27:44 PM
Burren gave the Bridge a pasting yesterday, they have some talent at their disposal.

Castlewellan and Kinelarty GAA look to be too strong for the B competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on December 13, 2021, 02:45:27 PM
Burren are going to win every piece of senior silverware for the next ten years...they have too many unreal players coming through to be stopped. Fair play to their underage coaches over the last 5/10yrs...starting to reap what they sow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 13, 2021, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 13, 2021, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: Three man weave on December 13, 2021, 11:05:35 AM
Quote from: Lotto on December 12, 2021, 04:28:24 PM
Is James struggling to get coaches to help him out? Taking a coach who has been in three clubs in the last three years wouldn't really show the quality we need at this level. Is this all he has at the minute or has there been anyone else added recently?
Jody Gormley in with James and Aidan, in as a coach. Confirmed later

Would be a good appointment, done well with the Island and Bredagh
Ask the Abbey players or parents over this past 10 years. >:( >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 13, 2021, 05:10:43 PM
Quote from: upandwin on December 13, 2021, 02:45:27 PM
Burren are going to win every piece of senior silverware for the next ten years...they have too many unreal players coming through to be stopped. Fair play to their underage coaches over the last 5/10yrs...starting to reap what they sow.

Kilcoo must be playing elsewhere then for the next while..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 13, 2021, 06:21:00 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 13, 2021, 05:10:43 PM
Quote from: upandwin on December 13, 2021, 02:45:27 PM
Burren are going to win every piece of senior silverware for the next ten years...they have too many unreal players coming through to be stopped. Fair play to their underage coaches over the last 5/10yrs...starting to reap what they sow.

Kilcoo must be playing elsewhere then for the next while..

Truth Hurts has a meeting in Railway Street on Sunday with some prominent figures to create a East Down Super League
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on December 13, 2021, 07:49:33 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on December 13, 2021, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 13, 2021, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: Three man weave on December 13, 2021, 11:05:35 AM
Quote from: Lotto on December 12, 2021, 04:28:24 PM
Is James struggling to get coaches to help him out? Taking a coach who has been in three clubs in the last three years wouldn't really show the quality we need at this level. Is this all he has at the minute or has there been anyone else added recently?
Jody Gormley in with James and Aidan, in as a coach. Confirmed later

Would be a good appointment, done well with the Island and Bredagh
Ask the Abbey players or parents over this past 10 years. >:( >:(
Don't know who's decision it was but he's not involved with the Mac Rory panel this year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 13, 2021, 09:46:00 PM
Was talking to a very prominent & 'in the know' staff member from the Abbey in Friar Tuck's earlier.

Their super chips & chicken fillet burgers are hard to bate. Nice milkshake to wash it down. Honestly was busted after it all.

Apparently it was Jody Gormley's decision to take a year off from the McRory team this year.
He's a keen follower of this chat & often acts on the recommendations here for where to eat.

Any word of where the County board Christmas dinner will be?
Canal Court, Burrendale, Hilltown chippy?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Three man weave on December 14, 2021, 08:38:52 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 13, 2021, 09:46:00 PM
Was talking to a very prominent & 'in the know' staff member from the Abbey in Friar Tuck's earlier.

Their super chips & chicken fillet burgers are hard to bate. Nice milkshake to wash it down. Honestly was busted after it all.

Apparently it was Jody Gormley's decision to take a year off from the McRory team this year.
He's a keen follower of this chat & often acts on the recommendations here for where to eat.

Any word of where the County board Christmas dinner will be?
Canal Court, Burrendale, Hilltown chippy?

Im hearing Sergios is on menu. County Board want a cheap option
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on December 14, 2021, 10:31:05 AM
The school kids are up to no good on this, christmas exams must be over
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on December 14, 2021, 10:52:17 AM
Heard from a much less prominent County Board member, but still prominent enough to be called fairly prominent, that the Xmas dinner is to be split in two. South Down Turkey will be served in the Canal Court followed by a barn dance in the Mourne Country Hotel...with the East Down Turkey being served up on the Ballykinlar Centre of excellence site from the mobile hut that usually pitches itself outside Esler...

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 14, 2021, 03:20:04 PM
The county convention is moved to online tomorrow, No food for the delegates. I think it will be a low-key affair with only one post up for voting. Hopefully, clubs agree to change age-grades back. Kilcoo won't be going anywhere for a while but there is no doubt that Burren has a lot of players on their books. There is talk of starting a 4ths team due to the numbers they possess. I know a number of Burren stalwarts are not happy that their children are not playing at the highest level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 14, 2021, 03:25:41 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 14, 2021, 03:20:04 PM
The county convention is moved to online tomorrow, No food for the delegates. I think it will be a low-key affair with only one post up for voting. Hopefully, clubs agree to change age-grades back. Kilcoo won't be going anywhere for a while but there is no doubt that Burren has a lot of players on their books. There is talk of starting a 4ths team due to the numbers they possess. I know a number of Burren stalwarts are not happy that their children are not playing at the highest level.
Convention was online last year.Delegates can make themselves a snack.Burren had four Adult Teams in 2019 and maybe this season also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 14, 2021, 03:44:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 14, 2021, 03:20:04 PM
The county convention is moved to online tomorrow, No food for the delegates. I think it will be a low-key affair with only one post up for voting. Hopefully, clubs agree to change age-grades back. Kilcoo won't be going anywhere for a while but there is no doubt that Burren has a lot of players on their books. There is talk of starting a 4ths team due to the numbers they possess. I know a number of Burren stalwarts are not happy that their children are not playing at the highest level.

9. AMEND RULE 6.17 TREORAÍ OIFIGIUIL TO READ AS FOLLOWS:

A County shall determine its internal Under Age Grades for competition purposes within the parameters of Under 21 down to Under 12, subject to Central Council policy and the following eligibility criteria:

Under 21: A Player shall have celebrated his 16th birthday prior to January 1st. and his 21st birthday on or after January 1st of the Championship Year.
Under 20: A Player shall have celebrated his 16th birthday prior to January 1st and his 20th birthday on or after January 1st of the Championship Year.
Under 19: A Player shall have celebrated his 15th birthday prior to January 1st and his 19th birthday on or after January 1st of the Championship Year.
Under 18: A Player shall have celebrated his 14th. Birthday prior to January 1st. and his 18th birthday on or after January 1st. of the Championship Year.
Under 16: A Player shall have celebrated his 12th. Birthday prior to January 1st. and his 16th birthday on or after January 1st. of the Championship Year.
Under 14: A Player shall have celebrated his 10th. Birthday prior to January 1st. and his 14th birthday on or after January 1st. of the Championship Year.
Under 12: A Player shall have celebrated his 9th birthday prior to January 1st and his 12th birthday on or after January 1st of the Championship Year.

Cumann Naomh Maolmhaodhóg, Cailean Uidhilín
Cumann Áth Bhriain
Cumann Loch an Oileáin


I'm assuming that if this passes @ Convention tomorrow night it then needs to go to National Congress to get voted on there.

IMO the change to odd agegroups hasn't had the desired effect although I was always unsure as to it was ever going to prevent player dropout as the premise that U19 was going to replace U18 wasn't really thought through in practical terms as fixtures secretaries are finding out up and down the country.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 14, 2021, 04:03:48 PM
I am just after reading Sean og excellent report, he is openly crying out for the schools to leat the Down GAA coaches into the secondary schools to help them, coach teams. Why would there be an issue with this does anyone know?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 14, 2021, 05:15:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 14, 2021, 04:03:48 PM
I am just after reading Sean og excellent report, he is openly crying out for the schools to leat the Down GAA coaches into the secondary schools to help them, coach teams. Why would there be an issue with this does anyone know?

Safeguarding issues, Education Minister might a more of a Rugby Fan(Political Ideology), Education results more important to schools than sports results.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 14, 2021, 09:13:33 PM
Bryansford appoint new management team yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 14, 2021, 10:54:00 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 14, 2021, 09:13:33 PM
Bryansford appoint new management team yet?

Conor Deegan and John Fegan I hear have the gig..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 15, 2021, 08:18:06 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 15, 2021, 08:17:41 AM
best wishes to the Red High in the Mageann final on Friday, hopefully, there will be a good crowd out to watch my old Alma Mater, I urge all the East Down clubs to get behind them as there are 11 East Down clubs represented in this historic final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 15, 2021, 08:53:44 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 15, 2021, 08:17:41 AM
Nest wishes to the Red High in the Mageaan final on Friday, hopefully, there will be a good crowd out to watch my old Alma Mater, I urge all the East Down clubs to get behind them as there are 11 East Down clubs represented in this historic final.
Are only East Down Club members  allowed to go? You really are into this East Down split.Myself and friends will be going as we did when the Down Schools Hurling team was going well a few years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 15, 2021, 08:57:57 AM
Apparently Warrenpoint have a club member playing. If any of the Newry schools were playing in a McCrory final, im sure everyone in east down would be supporting them.

I think its more an issue with truth hurts individually to be honest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 15, 2021, 09:25:59 AM
 A great achievement so far for Red High.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 15, 2021, 09:56:28 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 14, 2021, 10:54:00 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 14, 2021, 09:13:33 PM
Bryansford appoint new management team yet?

Conor Deegan and John Fegan I hear have the gig..

Surely Deegan wouldn't be expected to revitalise Bryansford, given he wasn't exactly setting the world alight with a Div 4/intermediate side!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 15, 2021, 10:36:49 AM
Apparently there was a late late hat tossed into the bryansford ring.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on December 15, 2021, 10:57:12 AM
I don't understand this east and South Down thing. We are Down, end of.
Good luck to the Red High on Friday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 15, 2021, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on December 15, 2021, 10:57:12 AM
I don't understand this east and South Down thing. We are Down, end of.
Good luck to the Red High on Friday

Where do the Ards clubs fit into this East/South Down thingy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on December 15, 2021, 02:17:51 PM
DuffGael are you from Clonduff or Carryduff...just so we can understand if your comment should be taken sincerely or sarcastically...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 15, 2021, 02:42:55 PM
Quote from: upandwin on December 15, 2021, 02:17:51 PM
DuffGael are you from Clonduff or Carryduff...just so we can understand if your comment should be taken sincerely or sarcastically...

He or she is aligned to CarryDuFf.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 15, 2021, 02:51:56 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 15, 2021, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on December 15, 2021, 10:57:12 AM
I don't understand this east and South Down thing. We are Down, end of.
Good luck to the Red High on Friday

Where do the Ards clubs fit into this East/South Down thingy?
As always our Ards Clubs go with the flow.There is only one Down as opposed to North/South Korea.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 15, 2021, 03:14:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on December 15, 2021, 02:51:56 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 15, 2021, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on December 15, 2021, 10:57:12 AM
I don't understand this east and South Down thing. We are Down, end of.
Good luck to the Red High on Friday

Where do the Ards clubs fit into this East/South Down thingy?
As always our Ards Clubs go with the flow.There is only one Down as opposed to North/South Korea.

I was thinking Truth Hurts was lumping us in with East Down with the following statement;

Quote from: Truth hurts on December 15, 2021, 08:17:41 AM
best wishes to the Red High in the Mageann final on Friday, hopefully, there will be a good crowd out to watch my old Alma Mater, I urge all the East Down clubs to get behind them as there are 11 East Down clubs represented in this historic final.


Was quite frightened by that TBH..  ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 15, 2021, 04:38:57 PM
The Ards would have a good connection with the East through the Red High. The Byransford management has not been given the green light yet and negotiations are ongoing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 15, 2021, 05:56:07 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 15, 2021, 04:38:57 PM
The Ards would have a good connection with the East through the Red High. The Byransford management has not been given the green light yet and negotiations are ongoing.
This East Down thing is boring and repetitive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 15, 2021, 09:13:26 PM
Quote from: ardtole on December 15, 2021, 10:36:49 AM
Apparently there was a late late hat tossed into the bryansford ring.

Who owned the hat????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 15, 2021, 09:26:07 PM
Been out & about this evening singing a few carols & spreading Christmas cheer.

Strangely not many prominent county board members about.

Did I miss something? Where's everyone gone? Another party that the gaaboard pundits havnt been invited to??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 15, 2021, 09:59:36 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 15, 2021, 09:26:07 PM
Been out & about this evening singing a few carols & spreading Christmas cheer.

Strangely not many prominent county board members about.

Did I miss something? Where's everyone gone? Another party that the gaaboard pundits havnt been invited to??
Zoom party tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Three man weave on December 16, 2021, 08:23:45 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 14, 2021, 04:03:48 PM
I am just after reading Sean og excellent report, he is openly crying out for the schools to leat the Down GAA coaches into the secondary schools to help them, coach teams. Why would there be an issue with this does anyone know?
Sean Og and Excellent? Heard it all now :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 16, 2021, 09:32:17 AM
Ambrose reportedly in the mix to be the new Fin manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 16, 2021, 12:53:41 PM
Down GAA has voted to go to congress by changing the age-grades to 14,16,18 in 2023.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 16, 2021, 02:39:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 16, 2021, 12:53:41 PM
Down GAA has voted to go to congress by changing the age-grades to 14,16,18 in 2023.
Is that Down as a whole County or maybe just East Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 16, 2021, 02:44:52 PM
Quote from: wobbller on December 16, 2021, 02:39:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 16, 2021, 12:53:41 PM
Down GAA has voted to go to congress by changing the age-grades to 14,16,18 in 2023.
Is that Down as a whole County or maybe just East Down?

Ah there's a stock answer for that one cousin.

When something positive happens, it's always owed to increased involvement from East Down clubs. Whereas when something negative happens, it because those arrogant South Down bastards kept forgetting there's a host of clubs up there.

This is the way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 16, 2021, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: wobbller on December 16, 2021, 02:39:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 16, 2021, 12:53:41 PM
Down GAA has voted to go to congress by changing the age-grades to 14,16,18 in 2023.
Is that Down as a whole County or maybe just East Down?

Truth Hurts is going to build a wall just at the left turn for Hilltown on the other side of Kilcoo and make the South Down Board pay for it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 16, 2021, 04:16:48 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 16, 2021, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: wobbller on December 16, 2021, 02:39:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 16, 2021, 12:53:41 PM
Down GAA has voted to go to congress by changing the age-grades to 14,16,18 in 2023.
Is that Down as a whole County or maybe just East Down?

Truth Hurts is going to build a wall just at the left turn for Hilltown on the other side of Kilcoo and make the South Down Board pay for it

The magpies played most of their football in the early part of the last century in the south Down leagues so the wall will have to be after Lough Island Reavey ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 16, 2021, 10:54:25 PM
Magpies are surely favourites for the win on Sunday coming??? They might struggle at midfield but big glass etc will never have been hit as hard or as often as he will be on Sunday!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 17, 2021, 01:15:23 PM
Any new faces?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 17, 2021, 02:02:02 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 17, 2021, 01:15:23 PM
Any new faces?
A prominent South Down man told me but he had no details. :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 17, 2021, 02:15:08 PM
I think I'll head cover to the busy bee to see what I can find out.

Lot of prominent people do Friday afternoon lunch meeting there over a fish supper.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 17, 2021, 02:30:43 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 17, 2021, 02:15:08 PM
I think I'll head cover to the busy bee to see what I can find out.

Lot of prominent people do Friday afternoon lunch meeting there over a fish supper.
Where is this busy bee establishment? I've already had lunch but...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 17, 2021, 04:38:53 PM
It's in Downpatrick. The capital of East Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 17, 2021, 07:54:37 PM
Heard the following are included in the panel at present as well as those from last years panel..

Adam Lynch - CPN
Gary McMahon -CPN
Tiarnan Rushe - Ballyholland
Charlie Smith - Mayobridge
Tom Close - Clonduff
Oisin McConvey - Darragh Cross
Conor Clarke - An Riocht
Oran Murdock - Burren
Cathal Foy - Burren
Pearse Og McCrickard - Liatroim
Anthony Doherty - Downpatrick
Tom Smith - Downpatrick
Big Rice - Rostrevor
Conor Doyle - Rostrevor
Pat Havern - Saval
Declan McClements - Loughinisland
Andrew Gilmore - St Johns
Shay Croskery - Fin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 17, 2021, 09:33:22 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 17, 2021, 07:54:37 PM
Heard the following are included in the panel at present as well as those from last years panel..

Adam Lynch - CPN
Gary McMahon -CPN
Tiarnan Rushe - Ballyholland
Charlie Smith - Mayobridge
Tom Close - Clonduff
Oisin McConvey - Darragh Cross
Conor Clarke - An Riocht
Oran Murdock - Burren
Cathal Foy - Burren
Pearse Og McCrickard - Liatroim
Anthony Doherty - Downpatrick
Tom Smith - Downpatrick
Big Rice - Rostrevor
Conor Doyle - Rostrevor
Pat Havern - Saval
Declan McClements - Loughinisland
Andrew Gilmore - St Johns
Shay Croskery - Fin


No word of the two Millars or Shane Annett?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 17, 2021, 10:58:19 PM
 Great win for the Red High this evening.Good start to the weekend.Ballycran and Kilcoo to complete the treble.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 17, 2021, 11:11:01 PM
Quote from: wobbller on December 17, 2021, 10:58:19 PM
Great win for the Red High this evening.Good start to the weekend.Ballycran and Kilcoo to complete the treble.

Massive achievement. I don't think many saw this coming . Delighted for the Redhigh who have strongly promoted gaelic games over the years. Best of luck to Ballycran and kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on December 18, 2021, 08:22:15 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 17, 2021, 07:54:37 PM
Heard the following are included in the panel at present as well as those from last years panel..

Adam Lynch - CPN
Gary McMahon -CPN
Tiarnan Rushe - Ballyholland
Charlie Smith - Mayobridge
Tom Close - Clonduff
Oisin McConvey - Darragh Cross
Conor Clarke - An Riocht
Oran Murdock - Burren
Cathal Foy - Burren
Pearse Og McCrickard - Liatroim
Anthony Doherty - Downpatrick
Tom Smith - Downpatrick
Big Rice - Rostrevor
Conor Doyle - Rostrevor
Pat Havern - Saval
Declan McClements - Loughinisland
Andrew Gilmore - St Johns
Shay Croskery - Fin



Must be some size of squad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 18, 2021, 09:43:49 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 17, 2021, 11:11:01 PM
Quote from: wobbller on December 17, 2021, 10:58:19 PM
Great win for the Red High this evening.Good start to the weekend.Ballycran and Kilcoo to complete the treble.

Massive achievement. I don't think many saw this coming . Delighted for the Redhigh who have strongly promoted gaelic games over the years. Best of luck to Ballycran and kilcoo
Both outsiders according to the Bookies.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on December 18, 2021, 01:41:15 PM
Big Rice ?

As laughable as the list itself

Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 17, 2021, 07:54:37 PM
Heard the following are included in the panel at present as well as those from last years panel..

Adam Lynch - CPN
Gary McMahon -CPN
Tiarnan Rushe - Ballyholland
Charlie Smith - Mayobridge
Tom Close - Clonduff
Oisin McConvey - Darragh Cross
Conor Clarke - An Riocht
Oran Murdock - Burren
Cathal Foy - Burren
Pearse Og McCrickard - Liatroim
Anthony Doherty - Downpatrick
Tom Smith - Downpatrick
Big Rice - Rostrevor
Conor Doyle - Rostrevor
Pat Havern - Saval
Declan McClements - Loughinisland
Andrew Gilmore - St Johns
Shay Croskery - Fin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 18, 2021, 09:17:43 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on December 18, 2021, 01:41:15 PM
Big Rice ?

As laughable as the list itself


James Rice.. he's young and about 6'3 - has been playing division one football for a few years now in midfield. Something we don't have a lot of so let's hope he makes it...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 18, 2021, 09:39:42 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on December 18, 2021, 01:41:15 PM
Big Rice ?

As laughable as the list itself

Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 17, 2021, 07:54:37 PM
Heard the following are included in the panel at present as well as those from last years panel..

Adam Lynch - CPN
Gary McMahon -CPN
Tiarnan Rushe - Ballyholland
Charlie Smith - Mayobridge
Tom Close - Clonduff
Oisin McConvey - Darragh Cross
Conor Clarke - An Riocht
Oran Murdock - Burren
Cathal Foy - Burren
Pearse Og McCrickard - Liatroim
Anthony Doherty - Downpatrick
Tom Smith - Downpatrick
Big Rice - Rostrevor
Conor Doyle - Rostrevor
Pat Havern - Saval
Declan McClements - Loughinisland
Andrew Gilmore - St Johns
Shay Croskery - Fin
throw up a list of players that you would pick if you think these fellas aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on December 19, 2021, 12:06:12 AM
Good luck to Ballycran and Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on December 19, 2021, 11:16:38 AM
Kilcoo match being shown deferred at 5:30 on RTÉ 2. Does anyone know why the Kilcoo match is only available on an annual pass payment on GAAGO TV ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 19, 2021, 11:23:55 AM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on December 19, 2021, 11:16:38 AM
Kilcoo match being shown deferred at 5:30 on RTÉ 2. Does anyone know why the Kilcoo match is only available on an annual pass payment on GAAGO TV ?
its tg4 its deferred on
although it is available to stream live with beosport https://www.beosport.live/products/ulster-sfc-semi-final-glen-v-kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on December 19, 2021, 12:20:33 PM
its tg4 its deferred on
although it is available to stream live with beosport https://www.beosport.live/products/ulster-sfc-semi-final-glen-v-kilcoo

Thanks Nenderson
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 19, 2021, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on December 19, 2021, 12:06:12 AM
Good luck to Ballycran and Kilcoo.

Best of luck indeed, Conor Woods is talking the talk, need to deliver the goods in terms of physicality and give SN their fill of it..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 19, 2021, 04:43:29 PM
Very tight half.. Laverty and Devlin passengers in the side, S Johnston, Eugene B and Doherty best for Kilcoo so far. Glens defensive shape is great - Glass's point was pure class
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 19, 2021, 08:45:56 PM
Good win for kilcoo, brilliant goal by Jerome.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on December 19, 2021, 09:54:44 PM
Could Kilcoo go all the way and do it this time?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on December 19, 2021, 10:19:16 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 19, 2021, 04:43:29 PM
Very tight half.. Laverty and Devlin passengers in the side, S Johnston, Eugene B and Doherty best for Kilcoo so far. Glens defensive shape is great - Glass's point was pure class

:o :o :o :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on December 19, 2021, 10:21:45 PM
Quote from: Kong King on December 19, 2021, 09:54:44 PM
Could Kilcoo go all the way and do it this time?
They've a great chance, bookies favourites now!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on December 19, 2021, 10:31:28 PM
What a goal from JJ !! Seemed only a point was in. Who else would have gone for goal in that scenario?  Wee James maybe but no one else !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on December 19, 2021, 11:20:38 PM
The poster said he heard those names were on the panel . From where ?
More like plucked out his head like most of the postings on here from most.
Pub gossip at best

Quote from: SHEEDY on December 18, 2021, 09:39:42 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on December 18, 2021, 01:41:15 PM
Big Rice ?

As laughable as the list itself

Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 17, 2021, 07:54:37 PM
Heard the following are included in the panel at present as well as those from last years panel..

Adam Lynch - CPN
Gary McMahon -CPN
Tiarnan Rushe - Ballyholland
Charlie Smith - Mayobridge
Tom Close - Clonduff
Oisin McConvey - Darragh Cross
Conor Clarke - An Riocht
Oran Murdock - Burren
Cathal Foy - Burren
Pearse Og McCrickard - Liatroim
Anthony Doherty - Downpatrick
Tom Smith - Downpatrick
Big Rice - Rostrevor
Conor Doyle - Rostrevor
Pat Havern - Saval
Declan McClements - Loughinisland
Andrew Gilmore - St Johns
Shay Croskery - Fin
throw up a list of players that you would pick if you think these fellas aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on December 20, 2021, 07:59:42 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on December 19, 2021, 11:20:38 PM
The poster said he heard those names were on the panel . From where ?
More like plucked out his head like most of the postings on here from most.
Pub gossip at best

Quote from: SHEEDY on December 18, 2021, 09:39:42 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on December 18, 2021, 01:41:15 PM
Big Rice ?

As laughable as the list itself

Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 17, 2021, 07:54:37 PM
Heard the following are included in the panel at present as well as those from last years panel..

Adam Lynch - CPN
Gary McMahon -CPN
Tiarnan Rushe - Ballyholland
Charlie Smith - Mayobridge
Tom Close - Clonduff
Oisin McConvey - Darragh Cross
Conor Clarke - An Riocht
Oran Murdock - Burren
Cathal Foy - Burren
Pearse Og McCrickard - Liatroim
Anthony Doherty - Downpatrick
Tom Smith - Downpatrick
Big Rice - Rostrevor
Conor Doyle - Rostrevor
Pat Havern - Saval
Declan McClements - Loughinisland
Andrew Gilmore - St Johns
Shay Croskery - Fin
throw up a list of players that you would pick if you think these fellas aren't good enough.

As the pubs are closed early he probably was sitting in his bedroom with the light off talking to himself
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 20, 2021, 09:27:37 AM
Mckenna Cup Draw puts us away to Donegal on Fri7th and home to Antrim
on Tuesday 11th
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 20, 2021, 09:36:44 AM
Struggling with this one but how can you have an U20 13 aside game when both teams had panels of 20 plus players on it??

Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on December 20, 2021, 10:23:45 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 20, 2021, 09:36:44 AM
Struggling with this one but how can you have an U20 13 aside game when both teams had panels of 20 plus players on it??

Am I missing something?

Annaclone had 20 lads togged out, programme named one lad twice and a couple that weren't there. We had 5/6 U17s in that. The problem is that there was only 2 options, 15 a side with the big clubs or 13 a side B competition. What's better for the club involved? When you go through the results in both sections there was a few hammerings handed out and quite a few walkovers. Probably should have been 3 competitions but you'd end up with a similar argument with some teams anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 20, 2021, 04:33:31 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on December 20, 2021, 10:23:45 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 20, 2021, 09:36:44 AM
Struggling with this one but how can you have an U20 13 aside game when both teams had panels of 20 plus players on it??

Am I missing something?

Annaclone had 20 lads togged out, programme named one lad twice and a couple that weren't there. We had 5/6 U17s in that. The problem is that there was only 2 options, 15 a side with the big clubs or 13 a side B competition. What's better for the club involved? When you go through the results in both sections there was a few hammerings handed out and quite a few walkovers. Probably should have been 3 competitions but you'd end up with a similar argument with some teams anyway.
Kildare didn't switch age groups and played the traditional U18 for Minor level. Nor did they have an U20/21 grade but had an U23 grade which went down well with the Clubs.All this info courtesy of Joe Brolly.🤷🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 20, 2021, 05:36:38 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on December 19, 2021, 11:20:38 PM
The poster said he heard those names were on the panel . From where ?
More like plucked out his head like most of the postings on here from most.
Pub gossip at best

Was talking to the two lads from my club who are currently there - they mentioned these names as well as a couple of others.. you should try that sometime Lecale Gael - talking to people - it's amazing what you find out...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 21, 2021, 04:33:07 PM
national league fixtures have been released for 2022;

Down footballers will play in Division 2

Sat 29/1  Derry (A) 5pm
Sat 5/2    Galway (H) 5pm
Sun 20/2 Meath (A) 2pm
Sat 26/2  Roscommon (H) 5pm
Sat 12/3  Offaly (H) 5pm
Sun 20/3 Cork(A) 1pm
Sun 27/3 Clare (H) 2pm

Down hurlers will play in Division 2A

6/2   Carlow (H) 1pm
13/2 Meath (A) 2pm
27/2 Kildare (H) 2pm
6/3   Westmeath (A) 2pm
19/3 Kerry (H) 2pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 21, 2021, 05:02:48 PM
Both of our senior teams are in tough divisions, but it has to be an advantage for the footballers that we have four out of our seven games at home. We may need to win three of them to stay up and avoid the Tailteann Cup unless we unexpectedly pick something up on the road. The last time that James took on the job, he managed to start by getting promoted from D2. Unfortunately, our 2022 squad cannot really be compared to the 2010 version.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on December 21, 2021, 06:50:09 PM
Can anyone post full down squad and backroom team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 21, 2021, 06:54:16 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on December 21, 2021, 06:50:09 PM
Can anyone post full down squad and backroom team?

Not even Wee James could do that at present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 21, 2021, 08:12:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 21, 2021, 06:54:16 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on December 21, 2021, 06:50:09 PM
Can anyone post full down squad and backroom team?

Not even Wee James could do that at present.

I totally agree with you Wobbler, I think the word mess is what you are looking for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 21, 2021, 09:40:38 PM
Wee bit harsh Lottery. I doubt if any panel in the country is finished.

James has a group of players training & playing challenge games. He'll whittle that down over time.

Same as any county in any season. I'd have more concerns about the start of the season being delayed due to this recent covid outbreak.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on December 22, 2021, 09:27:09 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 21, 2021, 09:40:38 PM
Wee bit harsh Lottery. I doubt if any panel in the country is finished.

James has a group of players training & playing challenge games. He'll whittle that down over time.

Same as any county in any season. I'd have more concerns about the start of the season being delayed due to this recent covid outbreak.

Derry have been training 5 times a week for over a month now, they are targeting a flying start to the league so it will be interesting to see how that stands to them vs Down in the first game. Word coming out of Derry is that the players have never done training like the sessions Gallagher has them doing ATM.

Derry could potentially be missing Slaughtneil hurlers (2 x McKaigues, Shane McGuigan, Brendan Rogers, Paudi Cassidy, Paul McNeil) it would be some opportunity for Down to get 2 points on the board if that is the case.

Likewise Down could be missing the Kilcoo players (if there are even many of them on this years panel)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on December 22, 2021, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: toby47 on December 22, 2021, 09:27:09 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 21, 2021, 09:40:38 PM
Wee bit harsh Lottery. I doubt if any panel in the country is finished.

James has a group of players training & playing challenge games. He'll whittle that down over time.

Same as any county in any season. I'd have more concerns about the start of the season being delayed due to this recent covid outbreak.

Derry have been training 5 times a week for over a month now, they are targeting a flying start to the league so it will be interesting to see how that stands to them vs Down in the first game. Word coming out of Derry is that the players have never done training like the sessions Gallagher has them doing ATM.

Derry could potentially be missing Slaughtneil hurlers (2 x McKaigues, Shane McGuigan, Brendan Rogers, Paudi Cassidy, Paul McNeil) it would be some opportunity for Down to get 2 points on the board if that is the case.

Likewise Down could be missing the Kilcoo players (if there are even many of them on this years panel)

Same as Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 22, 2021, 11:51:03 PM
Quote from: Kong King on December 22, 2021, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: toby47 on December 22, 2021, 09:27:09 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 21, 2021, 09:40:38 PM
Wee bit harsh Lottery. I doubt if any panel in the country is finished.

James has a group of players training & playing challenge games. He'll whittle that down over time.

Same as any county in any season. I'd have more concerns about the start of the season being delayed due to this recent covid outbreak.

Derry have been training 5 times a week for over a month now, they are targeting a flying start to the league so it will be interesting to see how that stands to them vs Down in the first game. Word coming out of Derry is that the players have never done training like the sessions Gallagher has them doing ATM.

Derry could potentially be missing Slaughtneil hurlers (2 x McKaigues, Shane McGuigan, Brendan Rogers, Paudi Cassidy, Paul McNeil) it would be some opportunity for Down to get 2 points on the board if that is the case.

Likewise Down could be missing the Kilcoo players (if there are even many of them on this years panel)

Same as Rostrevor
Good man BC,multiple £'s per session.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 23, 2021, 10:11:08 AM
Why would Castlewellan who are joined up with Loughinisland and Downpatrick players enter a 13 a side B competition with a squad of 29 players?
That just doesn't make any sense

A lot of teams back training from what I'm hearing. Rostrevor 5 nights a week what is all that about? Out county team wouldn't even be doing that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on December 23, 2021, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 23, 2021, 10:11:08 AM
Why would Castlewellan who are joined up with Loughinisland and Downpatrick players enter a 13 a side B competition with a squad of 29 players?
That just doesn't make any sense

A lot of teams back training from what I'm hearing. Rostrevor 5 nights a week what is all that about? Out county team wouldn't even be doing that

Two from Loughinisland and one from Downpatrick is not an amalgamation. Like has already been said you can only enter a competition that complements with your players ability and numbers. If anything it should been the one comp and open draw with losing teams dropping into the secondary comp as was in the past. Should also have been u21 still also.

Training now is madness. Only one that benefits is the hired help.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 23, 2021, 07:13:01 PM
Something we were doing in work  :P  best Down team from 2000 to now.
Only 2 Rules; no all Ireland winners and only one player from each club allowed.
This was my team, team based on service to county. Any obvious obmissions or changes?

Brendan McVeigh An Riocht

Damien Rafferty Shamrocks
Benny McArdle Annaclone
Darren O'Hagan Clonduff
Paul Murphy Ballyholland
Liam Doyle Liatroim
Caolan Mooney Rostrevor

Peter Turley Downpatrick
Dan Gordon Loughinisland

Danny Hughes Saval
Connor Maginn Bryansford
Ambrose Rogers Longstone
Benny Coulter Mayobridge
Donal O'Hare Burren
Conor Laverty Kilcoo


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 23, 2021, 07:52:05 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 21, 2021, 09:40:38 PM
Wee bit harsh Lottery. I doubt if any panel in the country is finished.

James has a group of players training & playing challenge games. He'll whittle that down over time.

Same as any county in any season. I'd have more concerns about the start of the season being delayed due to this recent covid outbreak.

The question from Lloyd p was two fold, my answer was on both fronts while yours was only on the players 2Hard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 23, 2021, 10:17:26 PM
No room for Mark Poland or Marty Clarke Mr Sherry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 23, 2021, 10:25:51 PM
Good question from Sheedy, and his team is a decent one. This is another possibility. Marty Clarke's Down senior career may have been relatively short but he surely has to be in there. Most of the other choices as the best from their clubs are reasonable, although McKernan's long service and versatility (every outfield line in the championship) should just edge out O'Hare as the Burren representative. If McComiskey and Harrison had not been unlucky with injuries, they were also strong contenders

Mickey McVeigh (Castlewellan)
Dee Rafferty (Shamrocks) Benny McArdle (Annaclone) Darren O'Hagan (Clonduff).
Kevin McKernan (Burren) Liam Doyle (Leitrim) Caolan Mooney (Rostrevor/Downpatrick)
Ambrose Rogers (Longstone) Dan Gordon (Loughinisland)
Danny Hughes (Saval) Marty Clarke (An Riocht) Conor Maginn (Bryansford)
Ronan Murtagh (Ballyholland) Benny Coulter (Mayobridge) Conor Laverty (Kilcoo)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 23, 2021, 10:28:02 PM
Mickey McVeigh.

Martin Cole, Dan Gordon, Damien Rafferty.

Kevin McKernan, Liam Doyle, Darren O'Hagan.

Peter Fitzpatrick, Ambrose Rogers.

Conor Maginn, Martin Clarke, Danny Hughes.

Ronan Murtagh, Benny Coulter, Conor Laverty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on December 23, 2021, 10:45:54 PM
Paul Mccomiskey should walk into those teams lads!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 23, 2021, 11:17:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 23, 2021, 10:11:08 AM
Why would Castlewellan who are joined up with Loughinisland and Downpatrick players enter a 13 a side B competition with a squad of 29 players?
That just doesn't make any sense

A lot of teams back training from what I'm hearing. Rostrevor 5 nights a week what is all that about? Out county team wouldn't even be doing that

It's actually 6  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 23, 2021, 11:36:17 PM
Quote from: urbangael on December 23, 2021, 10:45:54 PM
Paul Mccomiskey should walk into those teams lads!
Paul McCommiskey, Connnaire Harrison and Peter Fitzpatrick all came into consideration for the team, just went with players who done it over a longer period. Donal top scorer for Down over different years and just edges out Kevin McKernan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 24, 2021, 12:03:10 AM
All the individuals named so far have been brilliant for Down, but the original suggestion from Sheedy specified service to the county. While Clarke only played for two seasons at senior level he was probably our most gifted figure of the period. If we have to chose between O'Hare and McKernan, it's a tight one but the latter started four years earlier. It all comes down to opinions, which sadly in our case are generally looking backward rather than forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 24, 2021, 12:40:52 AM
Quote from: supersub on December 23, 2021, 11:17:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 23, 2021, 10:11:08 AM
Why would Castlewellan who are joined up with Loughinisland and Downpatrick players enter a 13 a side B competition with a squad of 29 players?
That just doesn't make any sense

A lot of teams back training from what I'm hearing. Rostrevor 5 nights a week what is all that about? Out county team wouldn't even be doing that

It's actually 6  ::)

Clonduff back training now too, lights on and players down at the pitch tonight. Seen it on drive back from Christmas shopping
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 24, 2021, 01:18:50 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 24, 2021, 12:40:52 AM
Quote from: supersub on December 23, 2021, 11:17:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 23, 2021, 10:11:08 AM
Why would Castlewellan who are joined up with Loughinisland and Downpatrick players enter a 13 a side B competition with a squad of 29 players?
That just doesn't make any sense

A  :)lot  : :Dof teams back training from what I'm hearing. Rostrevor 5 nights a week what is all that about? Out county team wouldn't even be doing that

It's actually 6  ::)

Clonduff back training now too, lights on and players down at the pitch tonight. Seen it on drive back from Christmas shopping
Mourne Red-That was Down Seniors training tonight and I would know! :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 24, 2021, 12:05:09 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on December 24, 2021, 01:18:50 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 24, 2021, 12:40:52 AM
Quote from: supersub on December 23, 2021, 11:17:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 23, 2021, 10:11:08 AM
Why would Castlewellan who are joined up with Loughinisland and Downpatrick players enter a 13 a side B competition with a squad of 29 players?
That just doesn't make any sense

A  :)lot  : :Dof teams back training from what I'm hearing. Rostrevor 5 nights a week what is all that about? Out county team wouldn't even be doing that

It's actually 6  ::)

Clonduff back training now too, lights on and players down at the pitch tonight. Seen it on drive back from Christmas shopping
Mourne Red-That was Down Seniors training tonight and I would know! :D

Well it's good to see them out training then lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on December 24, 2021, 03:20:05 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on December 24, 2021, 01:18:50 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 24, 2021, 12:40:52 AM
Quote from: supersub on December 23, 2021, 11:17:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 23, 2021, 10:11:08 AM
Why would Castlewellan who are joined up with Loughinisland and Downpatrick players enter a 13 a side B competition with a squad of 29 players?
That just doesn't make any sense

A  :)lot  : :Dof teams back training from what I'm hearing. Rostrevor 5 nights a week what is all that about? Out county team wouldn't even be doing that

It's actually 6  ::)

Clonduff back training now too, lights on and players down at the pitch tonight. Seen it on drive back from Christmas shopping
Mourne Red-That was Down Seniors training tonight and I would know! :D

County played Rostrevor in challenge game. Training after for both
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 25, 2021, 05:35:48 PM
Conor Laverty making a best team of the past 20 years for county???? How is that justified??? If it's purely on county representation he shudnt be anywhere near that team... Best club team of the same period - he is a shoe in..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 25, 2021, 05:50:05 PM
It was limited to one player from each club in fairness.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 25, 2021, 06:36:03 PM
Quote from: ardtole on December 25, 2021, 05:50:05 PM
It was limited to one player from each club in fairness.

What difference does that make to whether Laverty should be included or not? As Johnny says, as a club club absolutely but as a county player he was never good enough during this period.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 25, 2021, 07:45:31 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 25, 2021, 06:36:03 PM
Quote from: ardtole on December 25, 2021, 05:50:05 PM
It was limited to one player from each club in fairness.

What difference does that make to whether Laverty should be included or not? As Johnny says, as a club club absolutely but as a county player he was never good enough during this period.
Some posters had Brendan McVeigh as the An Riocht selection, meaning the two Clarkes were ineligible for selection in the forward line, majority of people would select Ambrose as the Longstone rep, ruling out Mark Poland.

Similarly, picking Benny rules out Sexton and Walsh, plenty of other examples. No one suggested Laverty was in the top 6 forwards for Down in the last 20 years, but under the only 1 player from each club rule, he more than warrants a mention in my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 25, 2021, 07:49:33 PM
Quote from: ardtole on December 25, 2021, 07:45:31 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 25, 2021, 06:36:03 PM
Quote from: ardtole on December 25, 2021, 05:50:05 PM
It was limited to one player from each club in fairness.

What difference does that make to whether Laverty should be included or not? As Johnny says, as a club club absolutely but as a county player he was never good enough during this period.
Some posters had Brendan McVeigh as the An Riocht selection, meaning the two Clarkes were ineligible for selection in the forward line, majority of people would select Ambrose as the Longstone rep, ruling out Mark Poland.

Similarly, picking Benny rules out Sexton and Walsh, plenty of other examples. No one suggested Laverty was in the top 6 forwards for Down in the last 20 years, but under the only 1 player from each club rule, he more than warrants a mention in my opinion.

He might deserve a mention but that is as far as it goes. There are better options from his club than him in my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 25, 2021, 07:56:30 PM
Id probably agree Darragh O'Hanlon would have been a good choice as a Kilcoo selection if it wasnt for his horrendous misfortune with injuries.

The Johnsons havent really set the world alight as off yet, so I wouldnt begrudge Laverty his selection under the 1 man per club criteria.

I think i read somewhere before he has 12 championship goals for down, which apart from Benny id imagine would compare favourably with a lot of the other players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 25, 2021, 08:16:11 PM
Managers keep picking Paul Devlin for some reason, also a contender.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 25, 2021, 08:19:33 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 25, 2021, 07:49:33 PM
Quote from: ardtole on December 25, 2021, 07:45:31 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 25, 2021, 06:36:03 PM
Quote from: ardtole on December 25, 2021, 05:50:05 PM
It was limited to one player from each club in fairness.

What difference does that make to whether Laverty should be included or not? As Johnny says, as a club club absolutely but as a county player he was never good enough during this period.
Some posters had Brendan McVeigh as the An Riocht selection, meaning the two Clarkes were ineligible for selection in the forward line, majority of people would select Ambrose as the Longstone rep, ruling out Mark Poland.

Similarly, picking Benny rules out Sexton and Walsh, plenty of other examples. No one suggested Laverty was in the top 6 forwards for Down in the last 20 years, but under the only 1 player from each club rule, he more than warrants a mention in my opinion.

He might deserve a mention but that is as far as it goes. There are better options from his club than him in my opinion.
who are these better options? Its only bitta craic, not that serious. Throw up your team with all these better options than everyone else 👍
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 25, 2021, 09:34:59 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 25, 2021, 08:19:33 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 25, 2021, 07:49:33 PM
Quote from: ardtole on December 25, 2021, 07:45:31 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 25, 2021, 06:36:03 PM
Quote from: ardtole on December 25, 2021, 05:50:05 PM
It was limited to one player from each club in fairness.

What difference does that make to whether Laverty should be included or not? As Johnny says, as a club club absolutely but as a county player he was never good enough during this period.
Some posters had Brendan McVeigh as the An Riocht selection, meaning the two Clarkes were ineligible for selection in the forward line, majority of people would select Ambrose as the Longstone rep, ruling out Mark Poland.

Similarly, picking Benny rules out Sexton and Walsh, plenty of other examples. No one suggested Laverty was in the top 6 forwards for Down in the last 20 years, but under the only 1 player from each club rule, he more than warrants a mention in my opinion.

He might deserve a mention but that is as far as it goes. There are better options from his club than him in my opinion.
who are these better options? Its only bitta craic, not that serious. Throw up your team with all these better options than everyone else 👍

I have spoken about 1 player having better options from his club than Laverty. Paul Devlin, Ryan Johnston, Jerome Johnston, Darragh O'Hanlon. Kilcoo had limited County input in this period so who says they need to have a player anyway?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 25, 2021, 10:55:32 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 25, 2021, 09:34:59 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 25, 2021, 08:19:33 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 25, 2021, 07:49:33 PM
Quote from: ardtole on December 25, 2021, 07:45:31 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 25, 2021, 06:36:03 PM
Quote from: ardtole on December 25, 2021, 05:50:05 PM
It was limited to one player from each club in fairness.

What difference does that make to whether Laverty should be included or not? As Johnny says, as a club club absolutely but as a county player he was never good enough during this period.
Some posters had Brendan McVeigh as the An Riocht selection, meaning the two Clarkes were ineligible for selection in the forward line, majority of people would select Ambrose as the Longstone rep, ruling out Mark Poland.

Similarly, picking Benny rules out Sexton and Walsh, plenty of other examples. No one suggested Laverty was in the top 6 forwards for Down in the last 20 years, but under the only 1 player from each club rule, he more than warrants a mention in my opinion.

He might deserve a mention but that is as far as it goes. There are better options from his club than him in my opinion.
who are these better options? Its only bitta craic, not that serious. Throw up your team with all these better options than everyone else 👍

I have spoken about 1 player having better options from his club than Laverty. Paul Devlin, Ryan Johnston, Jerome Johnston, Darragh O'Hanlon. Kilcoo had limited County input in this period so who says they need to have a player anyway?
nobody says kilcoo have to have a player named in the team. The players named may go on to have great county careers but over the last 20 years no kilcoo player has had a better county career than Connor laverty.

In my team Paul McCommiskey, Connnaire Harrison, Kevin McKernan, Ronan murtagh, all came into consideration and argument could be made for any of them.

Interesting the club's that have nobody really in contention, Warrenpoint, Glenn, Bredagh, Carryduff, over next 20 years I'd say that'll change
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 25, 2021, 10:59:46 PM
Saul too are benefiting from a huge growth in house building over the past 15/20 years, in the downpatrick end of their parish.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 25, 2021, 11:02:09 PM
Strange that the likes of Bryansford and Castlewellan havent got a nailed on outfield player either. Two traditional big clubs, I suppose similar could be said regarding RGU.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 27, 2021, 07:03:41 PM
Heard from an in-the-know individual that Saul could have 4 players on the senior panel next season.

That could hinder their club form with a new management team trying to find their feet without those lads at training.

A challenge but one I'm sure they all welcome.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 27, 2021, 07:21:37 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 27, 2021, 07:03:41 PM
Heard from an in-the-know individual that Saul could have 4 players on the senior panel next season.

That could hinder their club form with a new management team trying to find their feet without those lads at training.

A challenge but one I'm sure they all welcome.

It must be a big panel if Saul have 4 players on it!

With the new split season, it's nearly a disadvantage to have players on the county squad especially if they aren't getting game time with either team and getting less fit being no advantage when they come back to the club. We all want the county team to do well but if it is to the detriment of our clubs, I know where my allegiance would be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 27, 2021, 07:47:20 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 27, 2021, 07:03:41 PM
Heard from an in-the-know individual that Saul could have 4 players on the senior panel next season.

That could hinder their club form with a new management team trying to find their feet without those lads at training.

A challenge but one I'm sure they all welcome.

Laverty, O'Hare and 2 of the Harneys? I reckon Laverty and O'Hare will be the 2 who will be unavailable for them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 27, 2021, 07:51:09 PM
I think the Saul goalie played county at underage level. Id be tempted to give last years u20 keeper, Charlie Smith a go. He looked promising.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 27, 2021, 08:02:14 PM
The two Harneys were passengers against Burren and Carryduff last year in the championship so why would they be involved at this level. Decent in Div 2 but far too small to have any impact for Down. If they don't make match day squads they are losing out and so are Saul.

Hazard isn't at this level either but Smyth can be a liability as we saw with the 20's last year. Who is our No.1?

Rumours of a county training camp this week.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 27, 2021, 08:29:35 PM
Pierce Laverty & Ciaran Harney have been on panel a while now & Jack Hazzard & Ruairi O'Hare would be worth a look.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 27, 2021, 08:34:08 PM
Ciaran Harney was there a year or 2 back but apart from Mc Kenna Cup got little action. O'Hare offers something with his size and mobility but a no for Hazard with me. Laverty is also hurt and could be out for a while.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 27, 2021, 09:22:31 PM
Mr Lottery you must spend a lot of time in Docs & The Busty Bee with the other influencers.

You have your finger on the faint pulse of Down football.

Defo a man who's in the know!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on December 27, 2021, 11:22:56 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 27, 2021, 09:22:31 PM
Mr Lottery you must spend a lot of time in Docs & The Busty Bee with the other influencers.

You have your finger on the faint pulse of Down football.

Defo a man who's in the know!!
With AoR in the Down Management the Training Camp
must be in La Manga.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 28, 2021, 05:50:50 PM
   And sorry to hear about the retirement of Darragh O'Hanlon from all football due to successive injuries
over the last few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 29, 2021, 12:04:32 AM
Quote from: SamFever on December 28, 2021, 05:50:50 PM
   And sorry to hear about the retirement of Darragh O'Hanlon from all football due to successive injuries
over the last few years.
great lad, great player, sad to see him have to retire. Fully fit he was some asset to club and county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on December 30, 2021, 01:32:24 PM
Good Afternoon All.
Anyone hear from a reliable source or know when the Down Football Leagues are scheduled to start in 2022??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 30, 2021, 01:47:30 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on December 30, 2021, 01:32:24 PM
Good Afternoon All.
Anyone hear from a reliable source or know when the Down Football Leagues are scheduled to start in 2022??

Looking at the NFL fixtures they end on 27th March so I would say Leagues would start the next week on 3rd April (Sunday). With a stacked league fixture in top divisions there'll be a need to get games played. Reserve Leagues possibly starting the beginning of March as per pre-covid years.

Of course this is all a theory and up to what restrictions are in place due to COVID.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on December 30, 2021, 02:08:33 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 30, 2021, 01:47:30 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on December 30, 2021, 01:32:24 PM
Good Afternoon All.
Anyone hear from a reliable source or know when the Down Football Leagues are scheduled to start in 2022??

Looking at the NFL fixtures they end on 27th March so I would say Leagues would start the next week on 3rd April (Sunday). With a stacked league fixture in top divisions there'll be a need to get games played. Reserve Leagues possibly starting the beginning of March as per pre-covid years.

Of course this is all a theory and up to what restrictions are in place due to COVID.

Thanks MR. That sounds logical.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 30, 2021, 02:18:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 30, 2021, 01:47:30 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on December 30, 2021, 01:32:24 PM
Good Afternoon All.
Anyone hear from a reliable source or know when the Down Football Leagues are scheduled to start in 2022??

Looking at the NFL fixtures they end on 27th March so I would say Leagues would start the next week on 3rd April (Sunday). With a stacked league fixture in top divisions there'll be a need to get games played. Reserve Leagues possibly starting the beginning of March as per pre-covid years.

Of course this is all a theory and up to what restrictions are in place due to COVID.
Down play Monaghan on April 30th in the SFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 30, 2021, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: wobbller on December 30, 2021, 02:18:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 30, 2021, 01:47:30 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on December 30, 2021, 01:32:24 PM
Good Afternoon All.
Anyone hear from a reliable source or know when the Down Football Leagues are scheduled to start in 2022??

Looking at the NFL fixtures they end on 27th March so I would say Leagues would start the next week on 3rd April (Sunday). With a stacked league fixture in top divisions there'll be a need to get games played. Reserve Leagues possibly starting the beginning of March as per pre-covid years.

Of course this is all a theory and up to what restrictions are in place due to COVID.
Down play Monaghan on April 30th in the SFC.

Will be a break for that weekend I would suspect though and a starred fixture - perhaps something like below (Best option I can think off, but open to others suggestions)

Round 1

1st-3rd April

Round 2

8th-10th April

Round 3 (Easter Monday Fixtures)

18th April

Round 4

22nd April (Starred Games)


Ulster Match vs Monaghan (30th April)

Round 5 - 6th May etc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on December 30, 2021, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 30, 2021, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: wobbller on December 30, 2021, 02:18:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 30, 2021, 01:47:30 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on December 30, 2021, 01:32:24 PM
Good Afternoon All.
Anyone hear from a reliable source or know when the Down Football Leagues are scheduled to start in 2022??

Looking at the NFL fixtures they end on 27th March so I would say Leagues would start the next week on 3rd April (Sunday). With a stacked league fixture in top divisions there'll be a need to get games played. Reserve Leagues possibly starting the beginning of March as per pre-covid years.

Of course this is all a theory and up to what restrictions are in place due to COVID.
Down play Monaghan on April 30th in the SFC.

Will be a break for that weekend I would suspect though and a starred fixture - perhaps something like below (Best option I can think off, but open to others suggestions)

Round 1

1st-3rd April

Round 2

8th-10th April

Round 3 (Easter Monday Fixtures)

18th April

Round 4

22nd April (Starred Games)


Ulster Match vs Monaghan (30th April)

Round 5 - 6th May etc

I think you will find split season means no county men available for clubs until your own county finished up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 30, 2021, 08:10:26 PM
It will be up to James McCartan to release players this year no starred system in place.

The clubs won't have any say unlike other years where county players played the first 5 or 6 games

That's now totally up to James
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on December 30, 2021, 09:56:27 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 30, 2021, 08:10:26 PM
It will be up to James McCartan to release players this year no starred system in place.

The clubs won't have any say unlike other years where county players played the first 5 or 6 games

That's now totally up to James
There'll be some row when the Managers hear that if true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 30, 2021, 10:07:24 PM
There will be a pre-season competition without county men like last year before the league starts after inter-county league.

Similar to last season.

Heard it from a prominent individual today in Nana's in Castlewellan.

Recommended for a nice bite of traditional grub like your granny would make!

Nana's that is. Not the prominent individual.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 30, 2021, 10:12:55 PM
If true? It's true
The split season has been passed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 30, 2021, 10:27:20 PM
Any manager would be aware of this I would imagine.

Surely no time Corn an Duin if there are going to be 20 odd league games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 30, 2021, 10:51:07 PM
There won't be a pre season tournament.

Matches will be starred until Down complete their season. League playoffs will be implemented to cushion a lack of county player availability for circa half the league.

Things will kick off early April as soon as the clock springs forward.

I haven't actually met any county board officials while sipping coffee to glean this knowledge. It's just that I remember this format worked perfectly well with 12-team leagues in late 1990s and early 2000s. The county board will remember this too. Looking for a "better" solution is kind of pointless.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on December 31, 2021, 08:42:41 AM
Not really sure what the county committee will do. Thought that corn an duin had its merits last year but was a bit lop sided in planning and execution. It would be good if the committee were planning now for next season, but in typical fashion it will be left until middle of march before anything is even talked about
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 31, 2021, 08:49:18 AM
What benefits did the corn an duin have as apposed to a full league campaign?

Wobblers totally correct

No point trying to find the best system next year to appease everyone

Full league to begin as normal hold a playoff match to decide who wins the league and who is relegated

Bottom teams goes down automatically

In a 22 league campaign the board don't really have much room or time to mess about

Clubs missing county players suck it up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on December 31, 2021, 08:53:14 AM
Not familiar with Divs 1&2.How many teams are there in 1 and 2 at the minute?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 31, 2021, 09:06:10 AM
Quote from: imagine on December 31, 2021, 08:53:14 AM
Not familiar with Divs 1&2.How many teams are there in 1 and 2 at the minute?

Usually Top 2 divisions are 10 teams but because there was no relegation last year there is 12 teams in Top 2 Divisions. 4 Teams going down from each will make for some cracking league games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on December 31, 2021, 09:43:02 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 31, 2021, 09:06:10 AM
Quote from: imagine on December 31, 2021, 08:53:14 AM
Not familiar with Divs 1&2.How many teams are there in 1 and 2 at the minute?

Usually Top 2 divisions are 10 teams but because there was no relegation last year there is 12 teams in Top 2 Divisions. 4 Teams going down from each will make for some cracking league games.
Would Div 2 not have only 10? 2 away to Div 1 and 2 coming up from 3?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 31, 2021, 10:17:24 AM
Quote from: imagine on December 31, 2021, 09:43:02 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 31, 2021, 09:06:10 AM
Quote from: imagine on December 31, 2021, 08:53:14 AM
Not familiar with Divs 1&2.How many teams are there in 1 and 2 at the minute?

Usually Top 2 divisions are 10 teams but because there was no relegation last year there is 12 teams in Top 2 Divisions. 4 Teams going down from each will make for some cracking league games.
Would Div 2 not have only 10? 2 away to Div 1 and 2 coming up from 3?

Yes your right - maths isn't my strong point tbf
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on December 31, 2021, 11:07:35 AM
Div 1

Kilcoo
Clonduff
Rostrevor
Mayobridge
Loughinisland
Ballyholland
Burren
Warrenpoint
Bryansford
Carryduff
Downpatrick
Castlewellan

Div 2

Glenn
Longstone
An Riocht
Darragh Cross
Saul
St Johns
Annaclone
Bredagh
Saval
Liatroim

Div 3

Shamrocks
Drumgath
Tullylish
Clan na Banna
Ballymartin
Aughlisnafin
Attical
Teconnaught
Newry Bosco
Bright
Dromara
St Pauls (can anyone confirm this)

Div 4

East Belfast
Ardglass
Dundrum
Kilclief
Glassdrumman
St Michaels
Aghaderg
Drumaness
Mitchels


Who goes up/down next season and in what format??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 31, 2021, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: Kong King on December 31, 2021, 11:07:35 AM
Div 1

Kilcoo
Clonduff
Rostrevor
Mayobridge
Loughinisland
Ballyholland
Burren
Warrenpoint
Bryansford
Carryduff
Downpatrick
Castlewellan

Div 2

Glenn
Longstone
An Riocht
Darragh Cross
Saul
St Johns
Annaclone
Bredagh
Saval
Liatroim

Div 3

Shamrocks
Drumgath
Tullylish
Clan na Banna
Ballymartin
Aughlisnafin
Attical
Teconnaught
Newry Bosco
Bright
Dromara
St Pauls (can anyone confirm this)

Div 4

East Belfast
Ardglass
Dundrum
Kilclief
Glassdrumman
St Michaels
Aghaderg
Drumaness
Mitchels


Who goes up/down next season and in what format??

St Paul's didn't get promoted, Bright and Dromara did. St Paul's retained their intermediate championship place though which might be what you're thinking off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on December 31, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 31, 2021, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: Kong King on December 31, 2021, 11:07:35 AM
Div 1

Kilcoo
Clonduff
Rostrevor
Mayobridge
Loughinisland
Ballyholland
Burren
Warrenpoint
Bryansford
Carryduff
Downpatrick
Castlewellan

Div 2

Glenn
Longstone
An Riocht
Darragh Cross
Saul
St Johns
Annaclone
Bredagh
Saval
Liatroim

Div 3

Shamrocks
Drumgath
Tullylish
Clan na Banna
Ballymartin
Aughlisnafin
Attical
Teconnaught
Newry Bosco
Bright
Dromara
St Pauls (can anyone confirm this)

Div 4

East Belfast
Ardglass
Dundrum
Kilclief
Glassdrumman
St Michaels
Aghaderg
Drumaness
Mitchels


Who goes up/down next season and in what format??

St Paul's didn't get promoted, Bright and Dromara did. St Paul's retained their intermediate championship place though which might be what you're thinking off.

I thought I seen them post somewhere that they were in Div 3 but I also heard there was some sort of issue with that? Has it been sorted now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 31, 2021, 10:19:45 PM
Quote from: Kong King on December 31, 2021, 08:42:41 AM
Not really sure what the county committee will do. Thought that corn an duin had its merits last year but was a bit lop sided in planning and execution. It would be good if the committee were planning now for next season, but in typical fashion it will be left until middle of march before anything is even talked about

Expand on this lopsided planning & execution? Or is it just another chance to moan about the County Board. You'll find Down's fixtures are among the best organised around. Never going to please everyone but just ask around other counties. You just have to look at what Armagh clubs were given as a calendar last year as one example.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 31, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Kong King on December 31, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 31, 2021, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: Kong King on December 31, 2021, 11:07:35 AM
Div 1

Kilcoo
Clonduff
Rostrevor
Mayobridge
Loughinisland
Ballyholland
Burren
Warrenpoint
Bryansford
Carryduff
Downpatrick
Castlewellan

Div 2

Glenn
Longstone
An Riocht
Darragh Cross
Saul
St Johns
Annaclone
Bredagh
Saval
Liatroim

Div 3

Shamrocks
Drumgath
Tullylish
Clan na Banna
Ballymartin
Aughlisnafin
Attical
Teconnaught
Newry Bosco
Bright
Dromara
St Pauls (can anyone confirm this)

Div 4

East Belfast
Ardglass
Dundrum
Kilclief
Glassdrumman
St Michaels
Aghaderg
Drumaness
Mitchels


Who goes up/down next season and in what format??

St Paul's didn't get promoted, Bright and Dromara did. St Paul's retained their intermediate championship place though which might be what you're thinking off.

I thought I seen them post somewhere that they were in Div 3 but I also heard there was some sort of issue with that? Has it been sorted now?

There was a twitter post looking to recruit players for a "division 3 campaign", which I think meant the campaign to get to division 3. Was a little odd to word it that way. And they will walk division 4 with very little competition given nobody dropped down from Div 3. I could well stand to be corrected by someone from St Paul's or more knowledgeable about Div 4 though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 31, 2021, 10:52:26 PM
That goes without saying
Credit where it is due the fixtures in Down football is probably the best in Ireland or close to it
The Down County Board run a very good league pre covid
I would be very surprised if they didn't push on regardless of County players unavailability
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 31, 2021, 11:28:36 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 31, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Kong King on December 31, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 31, 2021, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: Kong King on December 31, 2021, 11:07:35 AM
Div 1

Kilcoo
Clonduff
Rostrevor
Mayobridge
Loughinisland
Ballyholland
Burren
Warrenpoint
Bryansford
Carryduff
Downpatrick
Castlewellan

Div 2

Glenn
Longstone
An Riocht
Darragh Cross
Saul
St Johns
Annaclone
Bredagh
Saval
Liatroim

Div 3

Shamrocks
Drumgath
Tullylish
Clan na Banna
Ballymartin
Aughlisnafin
Attical
Teconnaught
Newry Bosco
Bright
Dromara
St Pauls (can anyone confirm this)

Div 4

East Belfast
Ardglass
Dundrum
Kilclief
Glassdrumman
St Michaels
Aghaderg
Drumaness
Mitchels


Who goes up/down next season and in what format??

St Paul's didn't get promoted, Bright and Dromara did. St Paul's retained their intermediate championship place though which might be what you're thinking off.

I thought I seen them post somewhere that they were in Div 3 but I also heard there was some sort of issue with that? Has it been sorted now?

There was a twitter post looking to recruit players for a "division 3 campaign", which I think meant the campaign to get to division 3. Was a little odd to word it that way. And they will walk division 4 with very little competition given nobody dropped down from Div 3. I could well stand to be corrected by someone from St Paul's or more knowledgeable about Div 4 though.

I'd be inclined to agree with that opinion but just depends which Dundrum/Drumaness turns up next year would expect those 3 battling it out for the league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on December 31, 2021, 11:49:22 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 31, 2021, 10:19:45 PM
Quote from: Kong King on December 31, 2021, 08:42:41 AM
Not really sure what the county committee will do. Thought that corn an duin had its merits last year but was a bit lop sided in planning and execution. It would be good if the committee were planning now for next season, but in typical fashion it will be left until middle of march before anything is even talked about

Expand on this lopsided planning & execution? Or is it just another chance to moan about the County Board. You'll find Down's fixtures are among the best organised around. Never going to please everyone but just ask around other counties. You just have to look at what Armagh clubs were given as a calendar last year as one example.

Just really didnt see the value in 1st Div teams playing 3rd Div teams - no-one learns anything genuine. Also was a bit long winded - no need for 7 games - could have been condensed to 4 games or 3 games. Just my opinion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 01, 2022, 12:28:28 PM
Quote from: Kong King on December 31, 2021, 11:49:22 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 31, 2021, 10:19:45 PM
Quote from: Kong King on December 31, 2021, 08:42:41 AM
Not really sure what the county committee will do. Thought that corn an duin had its merits last year but was a bit lop sided in planning and execution. It would be good if the committee were planning now for next season, but in typical fashion it will be left until middle of march before anything is even talked about

Expand on this lopsided planning & execution? Or is it just another chance to moan about the County Board. You'll find Down's fixtures are among the best organised around. Never going to please everyone but just ask around other counties. You just have to look at what Armagh clubs were given as a calendar last year as one example.

Just really didnt see the value in 1st Div teams playing 3rd Div teams - no-one learns anything genuine. Also was a bit long winded - no need for 7 games - could have been condensed to 4 games or 3 games. Just my opinion

Can see where you are coming from, though it has to be said given the uncertain times and the lack of football the previous year it was a fairly good attempt by the county board to give players something to look forward to and take part in. I think most players now appreciate even more how fortunate they are to be able to get out and kick ball at the weekend regardless of the competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on January 01, 2022, 04:42:31 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on January 01, 2022, 12:28:28 PM
Quote from: Kong King on December 31, 2021, 11:49:22 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 31, 2021, 10:19:45 PM
Quote from: Kong King on December 31, 2021, 08:42:41 AM
Not really sure what the county committee will do. Thought that corn an duin had its merits last year but was a bit lop sided in planning and execution. It would be good if the committee were planning now for next season, but in typical fashion it will be left until middle of march before anything is even talked about

Expand on this lopsided planning & execution? Or is it just another chance to moan about the County Board. You'll find Down's fixtures are among the best organised around. Never going to please everyone but just ask around other counties. You just have to look at what Armagh clubs were given as a calendar last year as one example.

Just really didnt see the value in 1st Div teams playing 3rd Div teams - no-one learns anything genuine. Also was a bit long winded - no need for 7 games - could have been condensed to 4 games or 3 games. Just my opinion

Can see where you are coming from, though it has to be said given the uncertain times and the lack of football the previous year it was a fairly good attempt by the county board to give players something to look forward to and take part in. I think most players now appreciate even more how fortunate they are to be able to get out and kick ball at the weekend regardless of the competition.

That's true too. I'm just thinking that if they're willing to invest so much time of the season into this, it could be used to beef out a league campaign like in pre covid. CAD was used by clubs last year to cherrypick games. Not trying to downgrade it, it's fact. But I thought it was a good theory which could be tweaked
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 01, 2022, 06:23:18 PM
Could the window being used for the CAD not be used for n effective U19/U20 competition rather than the half assed effort they are at present??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 02, 2022, 08:58:14 AM
Yes a better 19/20 competition needs to happen and with the current scheduling it just doesn't work
I think the board will push on with normal leagues from March
As bad as cases are now with covid I think the days of lockdowns on outdoor sports is gone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on January 02, 2022, 09:08:55 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 02, 2022, 08:58:14 AM
Yes a better 19/20 competition needs to happen and with the current scheduling it just doesn't work
I think the board will push on with normal leagues from March
As bad as cases are now with covid I think the days of lockdowns on outdoor sports is gone

Yes hopefully. It's been a struggle this last few years and it makes you realise how much you miss uninterrupted football. The U20/U21/U19 has traditionally always been in winter. It's never changed apart from the number of clubs participating has got smaller. What do you suggest would make it better?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 02, 2022, 12:22:20 PM
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Yes hopefully. It's been a struggle this last few years and it makes you realise how much you miss uninterrupted football. The U20/U21/U19 has traditionally always been in winter. It's never changed apart from the number of clubs participating has got smaller. What do you suggest would make it better?
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Last years alternate weeks theory was excellent. Clubs play on alternate Saturdays with the PRFL. Playing on Saturday meant that u17 could be used if low on numbers as they don't play until Monday nights. It didn't work in terms of participating teams which is a major problem. For some reason teams love these B,C,D etc competitions. It's absolutely nothing to do with lack of numbers. If you can't field a team between 16-19 year olds - don't enter the competition. I don't often give credit to the noisy neighbours but they used it perfectly.. any u19 lads that played for the seniors on Friday night  didn't feature on the Saturday. They didn't hammer anyone and took a bit of a dent v Carryduff in the group phase. What's the point in Odhran Murdock playing for seniors on Friday nights (full game) and doing the same on Saturday in u19 (full game). Some lad is then sitting having got no football that weekend and this is why we have drop out rates..
If I'm training with the seniors/PR in my club and not quite making either team but can definitely get a game every other week with my peers - at least I have a reason for training. My own club situation was a disgrace last year - entered the league, then pulled out, then re entered and got a couple of hidings as it wasn't ran correctly from a club perspective. Hopefully something can be done this year as it's crucial with a senior team with players in mid to late 30s to be looking at the next generation in a competitive field..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 03, 2022, 08:35:34 AM
Good to have the county season back this Friday. The I.N. article with Niall McP. sounded like Mc Kernan, McArdle, Darren O'hagan were all still involved this year, makes sense for their experience alone. They also said new players included  Dennis Murtagh, Jack Mccartan, T Rushe and O Murdock. Will be interesting to see what sort of team lines out against  Donegal, given they are so far behind most  counties in terms of starting,  you would imagine they will play a fairly strong team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 03, 2022, 12:37:17 PM
Down ACFL as per website with teams listed last seasons placings. The normal way to grade championships status in past and it's not far away by the looks of it. Bredagh and Saul probably punching above their weight which is great to see.

Championship status (SFC/IFC/JFC) as denoted based on last season performance.
Rostrevor relegated to IFC
An Riocht promoted to SFC
Dromara relegated to JFC
Aughlisnafin promoted to IFC


ACFL Division 1 (12 teams)

CPN Warrenpoint (SFC)
Clonduff (SFC)
Mayobridge (SFC) - S Poacher
Burren (SFC)
Carryduff (SFC)
Cill Chua (SFC) - M Moran
Ballyholland (SFC)
Bryansford (SFC) - C Deegan
Rostrevor (IFC) - B Coulter
Loughinisland (SFC)
RGU Downpatrick (SFC) - Robinson
Castlewellan (SFC)

ACFL Division 2 (10 teams)

Longstone (SFC)
Glenn John Martins (SFC)
An Riocht (SFC)
Darragh Cross (IFC)
Bredagh (SFC)
Sabhaill Naomh Pádraig (SFC)
Annaclone (IFC)
St John's Drumnaquoile (IFC)
Liatroim (IFC)
Saval (IFC)

ACFL Division 3 (12 teams)

Newry Shamrocks (IFC)
Ballymartin (IFC)
Tullylish (IFC)
Drumgath (IFC)
Attical (IFC)
Aughlisnafin (IFC)
St John Bosco (IFC)
Clan na Banna (IFC)
Teconnaught (JFC)
Bright (IFC)
Dromara (JFC)
St Pauls (IFC)

ACFL Division 4 (9 teams)

Kilclief (JFC)
Dundrum (JFC)
Ardglass (JFC)
East Belfast (JFC)
St Colman's Drumaness (JFC)
Glasdrumman (JFC)
Aghaderg (JFC)
St Michaels (JFC)
Newry Mitchels (JFC)

The Championships anomaly of IFC teams in div 4 now corrected it appears.
The only JFC teams in Div 3 are Teconnaught and Dromara. There are no Div 4 teams in IFC.

With div 1 and div 3 both having 12 teams I don't think the CAD is feasible. Be lucky to even get two rounds as that's 22 games.

Also not sure on St Paul's status as have not seen anything publicly stated either ??

Div 1 contenders
Burren, Kilcoo, Clonduff but hard to call if starred leagues

Div 2
Longstone and Glenn I reckon

Div 3
Shamrocks the strongest and any from Drumgath, Ballymartin or Attical ?

Div 4
Kilclief prob strongest but Dundrum and Drumaness in the mix I'd say but East Belfast are the dark horses they seem to be getting stronger

As regards managers am not sure who is with whom ??
Poacher at Mayobridge
Deegan at Bryansford
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on January 03, 2022, 01:18:12 PM
Club Managers for 2022 Please update where missing

ACFL Division 1 (12 teams)

CPN Warrenpoint (SFC) - S Mullholland
Clonduff (SFC) - C McBride
Mayobridge (SFC) - S Poacher
Burren (SFC) - J McCorry
Carryduff (SFC) - F Moriarty
Cill Chua (SFC) - M Moran
Ballyholland (SFC) - R Murtagh
Bryansford (SFC) - C Deegan
Rostrevor (IFC) - B Coulter
Loughinisland (SFC) -K Duffin
RGU Downpatrick (SFC) - K Gracey
Castlewellan (SFC) - B Grant

ACFL Division 2 (10 teams)

Longstone (SFC) -
Glenn John Martins (SFC) - T Bagnall
An Riocht (SFC) - D Mussen
Darragh Cross (IFC) - DJ Kane / E Gormley
Bredagh (SFC) - B Mason
Sabhaill Naomh Pádraig (SFC) C O'Toole
Annaclone (IFC) - J Haughey
St John's Drumnaquoile (IFC) - C Burns
Liatroim (IFC) - F Fitzsummins
Saval (IFC) - D Hughes

ACFL Division 3 (12 teams)

Newry Shamrocks (IFC) - M Rafferty
Ballymartin (IFC) - C Brannagan
Tullylish (IFC) - D Corbett
Drumgath (IFC) - J Lynch
Attical (IFC) -
Aughlisnafin (IFC) - J Morgan
St John Bosco (IFC) - M McVeigh
Clan na Banna (IFC) - P Feeny
Teconnaught (JFC) - H Greene
Bright (IFC) - F Toner
Dromara (JFC) -
St Pauls (IFC) -

ACFL Division 4 (9 teams)

Kilclief (JFC) -
Dundrum (JFC) - J Clarke
Ardglass (JFC) -
East Belfast (JFC) -
St Colman's Drumaness (JFC) -
Glasdrumman (JFC) -
Aghaderg (JFC) -
St Michaels (JFC) -
Newry Mitchels (JFC) -
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 03, 2022, 02:51:02 PM
Dromara - M Walker
St Pauls - P Hannigan
Attical - C Burden
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on January 03, 2022, 07:18:42 PM
Drumaness - Pat Morgan
Longstone - Eamon Morgan
Mitchels - Marty Boyle
Glasdrumman - Liam Howlett
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 03, 2022, 07:19:47 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 03, 2022, 08:35:34 AM
Good to have the county season back this Friday. The I.N. article with Niall McP. sounded like Mc Kernan, McArdle, Darren O'hagan were all still involved this year, makes sense for their experience alone. They also said new players included Dennis Murtagh, Jack Mccartan, T Rushe and O Murdock. Will be interesting to see what sort of team lines out against  Donegal, given they are so far behind most  counties in terms of starting,  you would imagine they will play a fairly strong team.

The new players were described as youngsters which they are far from. Murdock is a serious talent and the IN mentions Charlie Smyth, Andrew Gilmore and Tom Close have all come up from the U20's. We'll need much more than this but these lads have potential. Gritty, tenecious, tight marking defenders, brutes of mobile midfielders and direct/incesive ball winning forwards are what we are lost for. Lads with the balls and attitude of Darren O'Hagan also but I just don't see it. Avoiding the Tailteann Cup has to be a priority for long term gain, dropping to Div 3 would be horrendeous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 09:03:32 AM
I am looking forward to this Friday's game to see what we have new to offer, I am not expecting much in the Mckenna cup but I am concerned as to why BOH made that rallying call to the Kilcoo contingent yesterday.  Its there murmurings from the Kilcoo camp that they won't attend the squad?

RIP to Sean Stranney , a Bright legend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 04, 2022, 09:19:36 AM
It wasn't a great interview by BOH
Basically saying the need 9 Kilcoo players to survive in division 2 ? Who are these 9?
And he looks on in envy about how the Tyrone players look?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 04, 2022, 10:12:17 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 09:03:32 AM
I am looking forward to this Friday's game to see what we have new to offer, I am not expecting much in the Mckenna cup but I am concerned as to why BOH made that rallying call to the Kilcoo contingent yesterday.  Its there murmurings from the Kilcoo camp that they won't attend the squad?

RIP to Sean Stranney , a Bright legend.
A long way to go for such a late throw-in on a Friday night.Will you go yourself? Any others planning to go?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 11:02:41 AM
No, I won't go but I hope it's being streamed.
I don't get the issue about Tyrone being ripped, do all clubs not have state-of-the-art gyms now anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 11:33:34 AM
Eggs in the basket: Down's county committee deciding they wouldn't offer their full backing to Paddy Tally without any earthly idea of who they would give it to, followed by a lengthy pursuit of a Conor Laverty, Marty Clarke and Jim McGuinness management team, before having to turn to James McCartan to pull them out of a sizeable hole after more than four months. McCartan will do well but this isn't the first mess Down have made of an appointment in recent years.

A piece in today's Irish news, someone may tell Cahair that it was the back benchers who got rid of Tally and left the executive to sort out a manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 04, 2022, 11:54:41 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 11:02:41 AM
No, I won't go but I hope it's being streamed.
I don't get the issue about Tyrone being ripped, do all clubs not have state-of-the-art gyms now anyway.

Wouldn't say state of the art - Squat Racks, Trap Bars, Benches, Dumbells etc But wouldn't have great set ups to do explosive exercises like sled push/pulls and the gyms are used by members of the club so can get busy.

Might have have also been dig at the S&C coaches that have worked with the County - Tyrone/Donegal have full time roles for a S&C coach I'm not sure if we have the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on January 04, 2022, 12:06:20 PM
Who's Tyrone's full time S&C coach?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 12:10:40 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 04, 2022, 11:54:41 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 11:02:41 AM
No, I won't go but I hope it's being streamed.
I don't get the issue about Tyrone being ripped, do all clubs not have state-of-the-art gyms now anyway.

Wouldn't say state of the art - Squat Racks, Trap Bars, Benches, Dumbells etc But wouldn't have great set ups to do explosive exercises like sled push/pulls and the gyms are used by members of the club so can get busy.

Might have have also been dig at the S&C coaches that have worked with the County - Tyrone/Donegal have full time roles for a S&C coach I'm not sure if we have the same.

Would young lads also be members of gyms as well? I do not see what the fuss is about but I do think we need to get the ball moving in Ballykinlar. I also would like to see some money being pumped into Newcastle. There was something special about national league games in Newcastle and we seemed to always do well. It is the spiritual home of Down football, especially in the '60s. There should be a lot more games on it but everything seems to be pushed towards Newry which is handy for the big south Down clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 04, 2022, 12:52:26 PM
Quote from: the_daddy on January 04, 2022, 12:25:39 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on January 04, 2022, 12:06:20 PM
Who's Tyrone's full time S&C coach?
No-one, the FT job was never filled after Peter Donnelly left.

Peter Donnelly is Tyrone S&C coach - Fella from Ulster took over when he went to Monaghan but he was back with them last year, joined back once Dooher took over
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 04, 2022, 12:53:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 12:10:40 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 04, 2022, 11:54:41 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 11:02:41 AM
No, I won't go but I hope it's being streamed.
I don't get the issue about Tyrone being ripped, do all clubs not have state-of-the-art gyms now anyway.

Wouldn't say state of the art - Squat Racks, Trap Bars, Benches, Dumbells etc But wouldn't have great set ups to do explosive exercises like sled push/pulls and the gyms are used by members of the club so can get busy.

Might have have also been dig at the S&C coaches that have worked with the County - Tyrone/Donegal have full time roles for a S&C coach I'm not sure if we have the same.

Would young lads also be members of gyms as well? I do not see what the fuss is about but I do think we need to get the ball moving in Ballykinlar. I also would like to see some money being pumped into Newcastle. There was something special about national league games in Newcastle and we seemed to always do well. It is the spiritual home of Down football, especially in the '60s. There should be a lot more games on it but everything seems to be pushed towards Newry which is handy for the big south Down clubs.

Pump money into Newcastle?

We, the clubs of Down, are still paying handsomely for the last attempt at pumping money into Newcastle.

You'd be well advised to wait until that debt that is cleared before seeking a ball of money for what amounts to little more than a nostalgia trip.

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Newry doesn't work better because it's near "south down elite clubs" or whatever the f**k it is you want to dream up.

It works better because as it straddles the A1/M1 corridor, it is 30-45 minutes more convenient than Newcastle for every county player and follower in Ireland, save for those in north Down and East Antrim.

And in terms of club matches, it would take a large seven figure sum to develop the seating and floodlighting facilities that Newry provides, up the county. And for what? So we can have two grounds lying dormant 355 days a year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 01:19:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 04, 2022, 12:53:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 12:10:40 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 04, 2022, 11:54:41 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 11:02:41 AM
No, I won't go but I hope it's being streamed.
I don't get the issue about Tyrone being ripped, do all clubs not have state-of-the-art gyms now anyway.

Wouldn't say state of the art - Squat Racks, Trap Bars, Benches, Dumbells etc But wouldn't have great set ups to do explosive exercises like sled push/pulls and the gyms are used by members of the club so can get busy.

Might have have also been dig at the S&C coaches that have worked with the County - Tyrone/Donegal have full time roles for a S&C coach I'm not sure if we have the same.

Would young lads also be members of gyms as well? I do not see what the fuss is about but I do think we need to get the ball moving in Ballykinlar. I also would like to see some money being pumped into Newcastle. There was something special about national league games in Newcastle and we seemed to always do well. It is the spiritual home of Down football, especially in the '60s. There should be a lot more games on it but everything seems to be pushed towards Newry which is handy for the big south Down clubs.

Pump money into Newcastle?

We, the clubs of Down, are still paying handsomely for the last attempt at pumping money into Newcastle.

You'd be well advised to wait until that debt that is cleared before seeking a ball of money for what amounts to little more than a nostalgia trip.

——-

Newry doesn't work better because it's near "south down elite clubs" or whatever the f**k it is you want to dream up.

It works better because as it straddles the A1/M1 corridor, it is 30-45 minutes more convenient than Newcastle for every county player and follower in Ireland, save for those in north Down and East Antrim.

And in terms of club matches, it would take a large seven figure sum to develop the seating and floodlighting facilities that Newry provides, up the county. And for what? So we can have two grounds lying dormant 355 days a year?

Jesus, who got out of the wrong side of the bed today.

It's convenient for you as you are a Newry club no doubt. I just think that a bit of TLC is needed in Newcastle as it's an iconic pitch with a great view and it's the historic home of GAA in Down. I am not asking for a full capacity all-seater airdrome. The Ards teams would have no trouble in coming to Newcastle to play their national league game. There is more than a few clubs in Down remember.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 04, 2022, 01:26:50 PM
Wrong side of bed?

Seriously have a read back on your posts. It's basically a never ending chant along the lines of "Down okay. East Down good. South Down evil".

This latest spiel is just another angst-ridden, illogical, nonsensical complaint about nothing. Creating barriers where none exist. Trying to lay claim the "spiritual home" of Down football. FFS.

Ballykinlar will have a stand for spectators. We (ie the entire county) no more need a small stadium in Newcastle than we need a new variant of Covid.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 04, 2022, 01:35:25 PM
Have to agree with wobbler on this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 02:01:46 PM
Well back when we were successful, Newcastle was used as equally as Newry for our games. Newcastle created a better atmosphere and was a much better venue for county final day. But the powers that be decided to pump all the money into the soccer-orientated Newry to possibly try to better the clubs there. Newcastle has been left to virtually rot, I know a number of Bryansford Gaels feel aggrieved at this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 04, 2022, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 01:19:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 04, 2022, 12:53:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 12:10:40 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 04, 2022, 11:54:41 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 11:02:41 AM
No, I won't go but I hope it's being streamed.
I don't get the issue about Tyrone being ripped, do all clubs not have state-of-the-art gyms now anyway.

Wouldn't say state of the art - Squat Racks, Trap Bars, Benches, Dumbells etc But wouldn't have great set ups to do explosive exercises like sled push/pulls and the gyms are used by members of the club so can get busy.

Might have have also been dig at the S&C coaches that have worked with the County - Tyrone/Donegal have full time roles for a S&C coach I'm not sure if we have the same.

Would young lads also be members of gyms as well? I do not see what the fuss is about but I do think we need to get the ball moving in Ballykinlar. I also would like to see some money being pumped into Newcastle. There was something special about national league games in Newcastle and we seemed to always do well. It is the spiritual home of Down football, especially in the '60s. There should be a lot more games on it but everything seems to be pushed towards Newry which is handy for the big south Down clubs.

Pump money into Newcastle?

We, the clubs of Down, are still paying handsomely for the last attempt at pumping money into Newcastle.

You'd be well advised to wait until that debt that is cleared before seeking a ball of money for what amounts to little more than a nostalgia trip.

——-

Newry doesn't work better because it's near "south down elite clubs" or whatever the f**k it is you want to dream up.

It works better because as it straddles the A1/M1 corridor, it is 30-45 minutes more convenient than Newcastle for every county player and follower in Ireland, save for those in north Down and East Antrim.

And in terms of club matches, it would take a large seven figure sum to develop the seating and floodlighting facilities that Newry provides, up the county. And for what? So we can have two grounds lying dormant 355 days a year?

Jesus, who got out of the wrong side of the bed today.

It's convenient for you as you are a Newry club no doubt. I just think that a bit of TLC is needed in Newcastle as it's an iconic pitch with a great view and it's the historic home of GAA in Down. I am not asking for a full capacity all-seater airdrome. The Ards teams would have no trouble in coming to Newcastle to play their national league game. There is more than a few clubs in Down remember.

Once you've to cross the lough on the ferryboat it's as handy going to Newry as Newcastle but thanks for thinking of us..

I'm with Wobbler on this one, no need to be pumping more money into Newcastle (even though Down CB own it, unlike Newry) and spend that money on Ballykinlar.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 02:37:44 PM
I don't want Newcastle to be like white hart lane, but a set of flood lights would be great.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 04, 2022, 02:38:08 PM
 Truths Hurts,how long have you been about Down GAA circles?The Newcastle/Burrenbridge saga went on for years
and if you are not familiar with it,I suggest you read up on it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 04, 2022, 02:39:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 02:01:46 PM
Well back when we were successful, Newcastle was used as equally as Newry for our games. Newcastle created a better atmosphere and was a much better venue for county final day. But the powers that be decided to pump all the money into the soccer-orientated Newry to possibly try to better the clubs there. Newcastle has been left to virtually rot, I know a number of Bryansford Gaels feel aggrieved at this.

As a player from East Down give me a trip to Newry over playing in St Patricks Park.. Esler has something about it that no other pitch in the County has, it's where everyone wants to play. Bryansford could at least cut the grass or fill in holes on the pitch if they feel aggrieved by being left to rot.

Also it's laughable you say Soccer-Orientated Newry.. Newry and the surrounding clubs have supplied us with some of the best players to put on the Red and Black
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 03:30:21 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 04, 2022, 02:39:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 02:01:46 PM
Well back when we were successful, Newcastle was used as equally as Newry for our games. Newcastle created a better atmosphere and was a much better venue for county final day. But the powers that be decided to pump all the money into the soccer-orientated Newry to possibly try to better the clubs there. Newcastle has been left to virtually rot, I know a number of Bryansford Gaels feel aggrieved at this.

As a player from East Down give me a trip to Newry over playing in St Patricks Park.. Esler has something about it that no other pitch in the County has, it's where everyone wants to play. Bryansford could at least cut the grass or fill in holes on the pitch if they feel aggrieved by being left to rot.

Also it's laughable you say Soccer-Orientated Newry.. Newry and the surrounding clubs have supplied us with some of the best players to put on the Red and Black

We haven't had a regular from Newry since Damien Rafferty, McGovern is choosing soccer so we have lost him.

I am fully aware of the Newcastle saga and the clowns that messed up the deal.  But I do think that Newcastle has been neglected and Newry has it all. Maybe they will cut the grass better if they were supplied with the fancy Toys that the Shamrocks guys get thrown to them every year. Also, I think it's about time that the county board gets a share of the shop from championship matches which the shamrocks make a fortune from.  If you are gonna charge £1.50 for a coffee, at least make it half decent. It's bad enough they are claiming squatters' rights on a pitch that was left for the Gaels of Newry. I remember the Bosco playing games there until the Rocks tooks over. Bosco are playing in a council pitch as are the Mitchells which is soon to be part of a motorway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 04, 2022, 04:19:43 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 03:30:21 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 04, 2022, 02:39:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2022, 02:01:46 PM
Well back when we were successful, Newcastle was used as equally as Newry for our games. Newcastle created a better atmosphere and was a much better venue for county final day. But the powers that be decided to pump all the money into the soccer-orientated Newry to possibly try to better the clubs there. Newcastle has been left to virtually rot, I know a number of Bryansford Gaels feel aggrieved at this.

As a player from East Down give me a trip to Newry over playing in St Patricks Park.. Esler has something about it that no other pitch in the County has, it's where everyone wants to play. Bryansford could at least cut the grass or fill in holes on the pitch if they feel aggrieved by being left to rot.

Also it's laughable you say Soccer-Orientated Newry.. Newry and the surrounding clubs have supplied us with some of the best players to put on the Red and Black

We haven't had a regular from Newry since Damien Rafferty, McGovern is choosing soccer so we have lost him.

I am fully aware of the Newcastle saga and the clowns that messed up the deal.  But I do think that Newcastle has been neglected and Newry has it all. Maybe they will cut the grass better if they were supplied with the fancy Toys that the Shamrocks guys get thrown to them every year. Also, I think it's about time that the county board gets a share of the shop from championship matches which the shamrocks make a fortune from.  If you are gonna charge £1.50 for a coffee, at least make it half decent. It's bad enough they are claiming squatters' rights on a pitch that was left for the Gaels of Newry. I remember the Bosco playing games there until the Rocks tooks over. Bosco are playing in a council pitch as are the Mitchells which is soon to be part of a motorway.
To quote yourself from earlier.""Jesus, who got out of the wrong side of the bed today."".Have you been in bed since your last post before this morning,Dec16th? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 05, 2022, 09:15:24 AM
Will the game be streamed on Friday night? It will take over 2 and half hours to get there so I cant see many making the 7.30pm throw-in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on January 05, 2022, 01:59:00 PM
Saval and rostrevor spotted Sunday morning on my walk in kilbroney. The teams must be in for a big season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on January 05, 2022, 02:25:09 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on January 05, 2022, 01:59:00 PM
Saval and rostrevor spotted Sunday morning on my walk in kilbroney. The teams must be in for a big season

Not from either of these clubs but hardly strange to start training in January.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 05, 2022, 03:43:29 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on January 05, 2022, 01:59:00 PM
Saval and rostrevor spotted Sunday morning on my walk in kilbroney. The teams must be in for a big season

Shame on them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Three man weave on January 05, 2022, 04:15:16 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on January 05, 2022, 01:59:00 PM
Saval and rostrevor spotted Sunday morning on my walk in kilbroney. The teams must be in for a big season
The Rostrevor Minor team aswell I heard, some training for that age early on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on January 05, 2022, 04:30:26 PM
What's the obsession on here with teams training? Why wouldn't young fellas want to be out training in jan??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 05, 2022, 04:45:27 PM
Can't grasp it myself. In 2005 we started back club training on 2 January, which led to a narrowly failed attempt to stay in D1.

This is nothing new.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Three man weave on January 05, 2022, 04:54:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 05, 2022, 04:45:27 PM
Can't grasp it myself. In 2005 we started back club training on 2 January, which led to a narrowly failed attempt to stay in D1.

This is nothing new.
Maybe use should have trained harder then  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 05, 2022, 05:33:57 PM
Club Managers for 2022 Please update where missing

ACFL Division 1 (12 teams)

CPN Warrenpoint (SFC) - S Mullholland
Clonduff (SFC) - C McBride
Mayobridge (SFC) - S Poacher
Burren (SFC) - J McCorry
Carryduff (SFC) - F Moriarty
Cill Chua (SFC) - M Moran
Ballyholland (SFC) - R Murtagh
Bryansford (SFC) - C Deegan
Rostrevor (IFC) - B Coulter
Loughinisland (SFC) -K Duffin
RGU Downpatrick (SFC) - K Gracey
Castlewellan (SFC) - B Grant

ACFL Division 2 (10 teams)

Longstone (SFC) - E Morgan
Glenn John Martins (SFC) - T Bagnall
An Riocht (SFC) - D Mussen
Darragh Cross (IFC) - DJ Kane / E Gormley
Bredagh (SFC) - B Mason
Sabhaill Naomh Pádraig (SFC) C O'Toole
Annaclone (IFC) - J Haughey
St John's Drumnaquoile (IFC) - C Burns
Liatroim (IFC) - F Fitzsummins
Saval (IFC) - D Hughes

ACFL Division 3 (12 teams)

Newry Shamrocks (IFC) - M Rafferty
Ballymartin (IFC) - C Brannagan
Tullylish (IFC) - D Corbett
Drumgath (IFC) - J Lynch
Attical (IFC) - C Burden
Aughlisnafin (IFC) - J Morgan
St John Bosco (IFC) - M McVeigh
Clan na Banna (IFC) - P Feeny
Teconnaught (JFC) - H Greene
Bright (IFC) - F Toner
Dromara (JFC) - M Walker
St Pauls (IFC) - P Hannigan

ACFL Division 4 (9 teams)

Kilclief (JFC) -
Dundrum (JFC) - J Clarke
Ardglass (JFC) -
East Belfast (JFC) -
St Colman's Drumaness (JFC) - Pat Morgan
Glasdrumman (JFC) - L Howlett
Aghaderg (JFC) -
St Michaels (JFC) -
Newry Mitchels (JFC) - M Boyle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 05, 2022, 06:58:43 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on January 05, 2022, 01:59:00 PM
Saval and rostrevor spotted Sunday morning on my walk in kilbroney. The teams must be in for a big season

BREAKING NEWS - MEN GO OUT RUNNING. MORE TO FOLLOW.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 05, 2022, 07:17:59 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on January 05, 2022, 06:58:43 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on January 05, 2022, 01:59:00 PM
Saval and rostrevor spotted Sunday morning on my walk in kilbroney. The teams must be in for a big season

BREAKING NEWS - MEN GO OUT RUNNING. MORE TO FOLLOW.
Ps But only in South Down as them 'uns in East Down do nothing
wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 05, 2022, 07:30:54 PM
Kilcoo have the lights on and training away madness this time of year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 05, 2022, 07:48:01 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on January 05, 2022, 07:30:54 PM
Kilcoo have the lights on and training away madness this time of year
Shame on them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on January 05, 2022, 08:15:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 05, 2022, 09:15:24 AM
Will the game be streamed on Friday night? It will take over 2 and half hours to get there so I cant see many making the 7.30pm throw-in.

Being streamed on BeoSport.live
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 05, 2022, 11:23:05 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on January 05, 2022, 01:59:00 PM
Saval and rostrevor spotted Sunday morning on my walk in kilbroney. The teams must be in for a big season

You must have been out early. The session started at 5.45am  ::)

Sorry just thought I'd fabricate a bit further
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 06, 2022, 10:05:10 AM
New year, same old stuff. Rostrevor and more particularly, Saval, should know better.

Just goes to show that teams will do anything to win at all costs now, it's the way the GAA is going nowadays. Heard through a less prominent South Down CB member that Mayobridge and Burren lads are doing strength and conditioning programs ahead of the 2022 season as well. Where does it end? Next thing we know clubs will be appointing goalkeeping coaches, there will be stat men at games and players will be watching their diets etc. May as well just be soccer now...the magic has gone

Should be a ban on all training until 48hrs before the first league game...I'd suggest a motion but be unlikely to gain enough support from the glory hunters around the county who want to see their clubs succeed...farcical
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 06, 2022, 10:46:46 AM
Every senior club team in the county would have met up by now and would be doing some sort of conditioning work. If you are not then you may get onto your management and tell them to get the finger out. Castlewellan, Murlough and Tollymore will be full this Sunday morning.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 06, 2022, 10:49:04 AM
Quote from: upandwin on January 06, 2022, 10:05:10 AM
New year, same old stuff. Rostrevor and more particularly, Saval, should know better.

Just goes to show that teams will do anything to win at all costs now, it's the way the GAA is going nowadays. Heard through a less prominent South Down CB member that Mayobridge and Burren lads are doing strength and conditioning programs ahead of the 2022 season as well. Where does it end? Next thing we know clubs will be appointing goalkeeping coaches, there will be stat men at games and players will be watching their diets etc. May as well just be soccer now...the magic has gone

Should be a ban on all training until 48hrs before the first league game...I'd suggest a motion but be unlikely to gain enough support from the glory hunters around the county who want to see their clubs succeed...farcical
Why would we know better? Div3 in 2021,people in the Club think we should be back in Div1 in 2023.
Staying in Div2 would be enough for most of us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 06, 2022, 11:27:42 AM
With Pat Havern back on board Saval should be expected to make an assault on the IFC.

Paul McComiskey seen in the coffee dock in the Town with John Clarke, do not be surprised to see him in the red of Dundrum this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 06, 2022, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 06, 2022, 11:27:42 AM
With Pat Havern back on board Saval should be expected to make an assault on the IFC.

Paul McComiskey seen in the coffee dock in the Town with John Clarke, do not be surprised to see him in the red of Dundrum this season.

Mac hasn't played in 5 years I doubt he'll be back playing for Dundrum
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 06, 2022, 01:03:36 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 06, 2022, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 06, 2022, 11:27:42 AM
With Pat Havern back on board Saval should be expected to make an assault on the IFC.

Paul McComiskey seen in the coffee dock in the Town with John Clarke, do not be surprised to see him in the red of Dundrum this season.

Mac hasn't played in 5 years I doubt he'll be back playing for Dundrum

He is only 33/34, would have won them the JFC if he was playing. It will be some coup for Clarke .

Does anyone know if Burren will be allowed to have a team in Div 4 this year? It will will help one team and that's Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 06, 2022, 01:08:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 06, 2022, 01:03:36 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 06, 2022, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 06, 2022, 11:27:42 AM
With Pat Havern back on board Saval should be expected to make an assault on the IFC.

Paul McComiskey seen in the coffee dock in the Town with John Clarke, do not be surprised to see him in the red of Dundrum this season.

Mac hasn't played in 5 years I doubt he'll be back playing for Dundrum


He is only 33/34, would have won them the JFC if he was playing. It will be some coup for Clarke .

Does anyone know if Burren will be allowed to have a team in Div 4 this year? It will will help one team and that's Burren.
Why would Burren be allowed a team in Div4?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 06, 2022, 01:20:50 PM
They have over 100 senior footballers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 06, 2022, 01:32:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 06, 2022, 01:20:50 PM
They have over 100 senior footballers
So what?If they need to field more teams they can enter additional teams to the Reserve or Premier
Reserve leagues.This has been covered previosuly while you were off School over Christmas. ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on January 06, 2022, 01:48:17 PM
Is McComiskey not involved with St Brigids or is that someone else?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on January 06, 2022, 03:22:35 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 06, 2022, 01:20:50 PM
They have over 100 senior footballers
A good few of them even live in Burren 🤗
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 06, 2022, 04:15:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 06, 2022, 01:03:36 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 06, 2022, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 06, 2022, 11:27:42 AM
With Pat Havern back on board Saval should be expected to make an assault on the IFC.

Paul McComiskey seen in the coffee dock in the Town with John Clarke, do not be surprised to see him in the red of Dundrum this season.

Mac hasn't played in 5 years I doubt he'll be back playing for Dundrum

He is only 33/34, would have won them the JFC if he was playing. It will be some coup for Clarke .

Does anyone know if Burren will be allowed to have a team in Div 4 this year? It will will help one team and that's Burren.

Mac is coming 35 this year and spent his last 2 years he played with persistent back issues - After that length of time out and a young family I'd be fairly certain he'll not be back, I'll wager a Docs he won't.

Im starting to be convinced you're a wind-up merchant who tries to fill their teach day in on here. Reserve teams in Div 4 was discussed and scrapped 3/4 years ago
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on January 06, 2022, 10:44:11 PM
Anyone been to Docs, The Busy Bee or The Coffee Dock that can shed any light on the team for tomorrow?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 06, 2022, 11:42:08 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on January 06, 2022, 10:44:11 PM
Anyone been to Docs, The Busy Bee or The Coffee Dock that can shed any light on the team for tomorrow?
Apparently 11 subs are allowed to be used.🤷🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 07, 2022, 08:24:13 AM
Not getting into it again but if with the numbers Burren have at present they would win division 4 and then 3 if they had a team put into the lower leagues. That's not sayin they are the best senior team but the most certainly have the biggest pick. And that's with carrying a senior squad of 21 on a Friday night and say 21 in division 4. I don't see why division 4 teams wouldn't want to rise the standards by playing them.
Good luck to Down tonight
Any team announcement
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 08:44:26 AM
How would Burren have a bigger pick than the Belfast teams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 07, 2022, 08:48:52 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 08:44:26 AM
How would Burren have a bigger pick than the Belfast teams?

Belfast teams play hurling as well...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 07, 2022, 08:51:58 AM
Well Burren seem to have bigger numbers at all levels compared to most. The Belfast teams don't generally stand out in reserve football
Burren
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Clonduff

Would all contest division 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 07, 2022, 09:10:16 AM
Burren 5ths team spotted training in Kilbroney this morning...apparently they had 27 lads running the stone. Burren 2nds would be challenging in Div2 lads let's be honest...them and Kilcoo need split in two to give everyone else a chance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 07, 2022, 09:13:36 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 07, 2022, 08:24:13 AM
Not getting into it again but if with the numbers Burren have at present they would win division 4 and then 3 if they had a team put into the lower leagues. That's not sayin they are the best senior team but the most certainly have the biggest pick. And that's with carrying a senior squad of 21 on a Friday night and say 21 in division 4. I don't see why division 4 teams wouldn't want to rise the standards by playing them.
Good luck to Down tonight
Any team announcement

Say Burren II's were in ACFL Division 4. Would you envisage a scenario whereby a player could play for Burren seniors in the ACFL Division 1 on a Friday night and then line out for the II's the following Friday night in ACFL Division 4 and inter change between teams throughout the season?

To make it right, there would surely need to be two distinct panels. If that was the case, a panel of 21 for a whole season in ACFL 1 is entirely unrealistic. Over the course of a 22 game season you would be needing at least 28-30 players to cover injuries, starred games etc.

Realistically, a Burren II's team with panel eligibility rulings in place would more likely be a hybrid between their II's and III's. I've no doubt they would surely be competitive in Division 4 but any aspirations beyond that could be limited.

Back in the late 70's, early 80's, Down operated a five division ACFL structure with quite a number of reserve teams included. Even up to the early 90's, reserve teams were entering the Down JFC. I don't think any club in Division 4 has anything to fear with a reserve offering entering their playground. I just think the perceived strength of say the likes of a Burren II's team in the structure is overstated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 09:27:02 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 07, 2022, 08:51:58 AM
Well Burren seem to have bigger numbers at all levels compared to most. The Belfast teams don't generally stand out in reserve football
Burren
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Clonduff

Would all contest division 3

When was the last time Clonduff have won a reserve title of any description? The other 3 would have strong enough squads to compete in Division 3 and 4 but that's would be as far as they would get. I would like to see it happen for a year to see how it would pan out, If you play 1 minute of division 1 football then you are ruled out of division 4 football. It would be a mixture of seconds and thirds players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on January 07, 2022, 10:08:40 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 09:27:02 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 07, 2022, 08:51:58 AM
Well Burren seem to have bigger numbers at all levels compared to most. The Belfast teams don't generally stand out in reserve football
Burren
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Clonduff

Would all contest division 3

When was the last time Clonduff have won a reserve title of any description? The other 3 would have strong enough squads to compete in Division 3 and 4 but that's would be as far as they would get. I would like to see it happen for a year to see how it would pan out, If you play 1 minute of division 1 football then you are ruled out of division 4 football. It would be a mixture of seconds and thirds players.


They wouldn't count outside Div 4,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 10:22:05 AM
I don't want to offend anyone but they would beat Tecoonaght, Bosco, Banbridge and the Fin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 10:32:58 AM
It would take a few years to settle down, or maybe fold, or maybe be stopped.

I would think if Burren IIs went to D4, as a team they'd reap an immediate reward with plenty of lads in their mid-20s committing solely to that team, with the carrot of 20+ games a year proving very strong. And that would see them smash all around them in D4 and most of D3.

But after a couple of years, assuming they wouldn't be permitted into D2 or the IFC, that initial passion/desire would surely subside. It might start up every few years when there's a handful of fringe senior players decide to throw their weight into junior football. But it wouldn't be a constant.

——

Would it be a more pertinent question to ask why Burren are party to such a broad catchment area when it's not possible to convert their legions of youngsters into adult players? I means it's different for Duff and Bredagh, where the next club is 10 miles away. But if you've got lads from Forest Hills in Newry, which go to school in Newry, shop in Newry, go to chapel in Newry, etc, maybe they should be considered Shamrocks / Mitchels / Harps instead?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 07, 2022, 10:39:47 AM
Make far too much sense that Wobbler...The long and short of it is that Burren have a reputation of winning and producing good players so anyone that's even remotely on the cusp of Burren's surrounding areas all want to go and play there...Decades of Ballyholland, Warrenpoint, Saval and Newry people making the trek to Burren because they had a great uncle that played for Burren thirds in the 70s and that's the justification for people choosing Burren. truth of it is there is a snobbery about South Down that if you want your children to get the best coaching and chance to be a superstar you send them to Burren...certainly supports the 'build it and they will come' theory
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 07, 2022, 10:58:23 AM
My view is its a non runner adding 2nds and 3rds to div 3 or 4 and into junior championships. Unfair on smaller clubs who do massive work with a limited pick that the chance of winning something is even less likely by adding the big clubs reserves into the mix. All this talk of burren 2nds and 3rds but yet they can't dominate the senior championship. Possibly look at that 1st. And Im not having a go as I have no allegiance to any of the senior clubs in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on January 07, 2022, 11:02:57 AM
Down panel for tonight
Charlie smith ; Eoin Murdock , Niall mcparland , Gerard Collins; Pierce Laverty, Darren O'Hagan, Daniel Guinness; Caolan Mooney, Gerard McGovern ; Oran Murdock, Rory Burns; Pearse Mcpolin, Gerard McGovern, Gerard Collins; Pierce Laverty, Ronan McCarthy,Barry O'Hagan; Steven Fegan, Liam Middleton, Cory Quinn, Andrew Gilmore, Daniel McCarthy, Ross Carr, Tom close
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 07, 2022, 11:06:00 AM
Strange one that Gerard McGovern is included given that he isn't committing this year...fair play to him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on January 07, 2022, 11:13:34 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 10:32:58 AM
It would take a few years to settle down, or maybe fold, or maybe be stopped.

I would think if Burren IIs went to D4, as a team they'd reap an immediate reward with plenty of lads in their mid-20s committing solely to that team, with the carrot of 20+ games a year proving very strong. And that would see them smash all around them in D4 and most of D3.

But after a couple of years, assuming they wouldn't be permitted into D2 or the IFC, that initial passion/desire would surely subside. It might start up every few years when there's a handful of fringe senior players decide to throw their weight into junior football. But it wouldn't be a constant.

——

Would it be a more pertinent question to ask why Burren are party to such a broad catchment area when it's not possible to convert their legions of youngsters into adult players? I means it's different for Duff and Bredagh, where the next club is 10 miles away. But if you've got lads from Forest Hills in Newry, which go to school in Newry, shop in Newry, go to chapel in Newry, etc, maybe they should be considered Shamrocks / Mitchels / Harps instead?

How do you change that without killing off smaller clubs elsewhere? In Annaclone we would would have players who lived in Banbridge or Rathfriland but always played for us because their fathers took them early on. Some came later too before anyone makes that point. Even Kilcoo, not that they're a small club anymore, wouldn't have the housing to keep all their players there for the next generation so they would have underage players living in Newcastle and Castlewellan. Surely the Harps would have a bit of the same issue?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 11:14:57 AM
I do not think that any Sigerson players are playing tonight.
I do think the county board needs to do something about the number of players in Burren and maybe offload them to junior clubs for a season or two. Mitchells need players so the Newry Burren players could go to them for a start. The Saval Burren players could go on loan to Saval for a year and see how they fare out. We could unearth more players for the county then as I am sure there are players missing out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 11:27:41 AM
Quote from: upandwin on January 07, 2022, 10:39:47 AM
Make far too much sense that Wobbler...The long and short of it is that Burren have a reputation of winning and producing good players so anyone that's even remotely on the cusp of Burren's surrounding areas all want to go and play there...Decades of Ballyholland, Warrenpoint, Saval and Newry people making the trek to Burren because they had a great uncle that played for Burren thirds in the 70s and that's the justification for people choosing Burren. truth of it is there is a snobbery about South Down that if you want your children to get the best coaching and chance to be a superstar you send them to Burren...certainly supports the 'build it and they will come' theory

Why bring "South Down" into this? Seriously? Do a headcount on how many adult players have transferred into larger clubs over the past 50 years, and the only thing you'll learn is that the trends are not regional.

There is no war.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 11:35:12 AM
Ach Wobbler there is a snobbery from the south Down super clubs at times
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 11:37:52 AM
Can you define what you mean by snobbery?

Also it would be good if you could clarify if you mean Burren, or Burren and others.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 07, 2022, 11:39:39 AM
I mentioned South Down because that's where I'm from and all I know about in terms of players getting sent to the bigger clubs and using the schools as a way of justifying it...I'm sure it does happen all over the county, I just wouldn't have heard about where and why...but I know for a fact it's been happening for years in and around Burren...as do you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 07, 2022, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 11:37:52 AM
Can you define what you mean by snobbery?

Also it would be good if you could clarify if you mean Burren, or Burren and others.



What I mean by Snobbery is that I've heard from a number of people that 'the coaching is better and they take football much more serious in Burren than any other club in their proximity'...which to be honest I can't argue with but I think if you live in a parish you should play there despite generations before you but that's just my opinion. I have seen on many occasions that a child will be purposely sent to Carrick PS because they have a mixed school, where there wasn't one in Warrenpoint. That was a tool for parents to say if they school in Burren they should play with their friends...but no there's a mixed PS in W'Point it is still happening so I that's what I'm referring to as snobbery Wobbler.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 07, 2022, 11:54:15 AM
Quote from: Three man weave on January 07, 2022, 11:24:44 AM
Confirmed lineup from reliable source

Charlie Smyth

Paul Martin
Paddy Murdock
Peter fegan

Adam lynch
Niall mcparland
Kevin Mckernan

Caolan Mooney
Oran Murdock

Shane annett
Conor poland
Sean OConnor

Corey Quinn
Pat havern
Arthur mcconville

Some nonsense spouted on this forum ffs hahahaha...I'd be surprised if 4 of those are right.

Charlie Smyth- I'd Guess Burns will play

Paul Martin - Never heard of him
Paddy Murdock - Won't start tonight
Peter fegan - Possible

Adam lynch - Not even on the squad this year
Niall mcparland - Possible
Kevin Mckernan - Won't be playing

Caolan Mooney - Won't be playing
Oran Murdock - Possible but highly doubt he'll start

Shane annett - Don't even think he's on the squad this year
Conor poland - Don't think he's on the squad this year
Sean OConnor - No idea who he is

Corey Quinn - Not playing McKenna Cup
Pat havern - Probably will start
Arthur mcconville - Not on the squad this year

Reliable source alright...don't quit the day job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 11:57:59 AM
Well, Burren takes players from the Point, Rostrevor, Newry, Saval, and Mayobridge.
Ballyholland now is taking a lot from Newry and taking players who would have been traditionally playing for the 3 Newry town teams.
Mayobridge would always have  Saval and Drumgath parish players.
Clonduff would take from Drumgath and Rostrevor.
An Riocht would take anyone with a mourne accent ffs
Glenn takes players from Saval, Pontzpass, Newry etc, and anyone who has ever attended Dromintine Sunday.
Annaclone: If you play for Aghaderg then the Clone thinks that they can poach you.
Tullylish: Their scheme to try and win an u15 plate this year is enough for me. Probably the biggest embarrassment in Down GAA this century so far and we have had a lot.

Do you want me to go on ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 07, 2022, 11:58:05 AM
Quote from: upandwin on January 07, 2022, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 11:37:52 AM
Can you define what you mean by snobbery?

Also it would be good if you could clarify if you mean Burren, or Burren and others.



What I mean by Snobbery is that I've heard from a number of people that 'the coaching is better and they take football much more serious in Burren than any other club in their proximity'...which to be honest I can't argue with but I think if you live in a parish you should play there despite generations before you but that's just my opinion. I have seen on many occasions that a child will be purposely sent to Carrick PS because they have a mixed school, where there wasn't one in Warrenpoint. That was a tool for parents to say if they school in Burren they should play with their friends...but no there's a mixed PS in W'Point it is still happening so I that's what I'm referring to as snobbery Wobbler.

I wouldn't say that's snobbery on Burren's behalf but more a problem with parents - The club aren't at fault for that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 12:01:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 11:57:59 AM
Well, Burren takes players from the Point, Rostrevor, Newry, Saval, and Mayobridge.
Ballyholland now is taking a lot from Newry and taking players who would have been traditionally playing for the 3 Newry town teams.
Mayobridge would always have  Saval and Drumgath parish players.
Clonduff would take from Drumgath and Rostrevor.
An Riocht would take anyone with a mourne accent ffs
Glenn takes players from Saval, Pontzpass, Newry etc, and anyone who has ever attended Dromintine Sunday.
Annaclone: If you play for Aghaderg then the Clone thinks that they can poach you.
Tullylish: Their scheme to try and win an u15 plate this year is enough for me. Probably the biggest embarrassment in Down GAA this century so far and we have had a lot.

Do you want me to go on ;D

So you think this behaviour/tradition changes once you get past Greenan's pub?

Deluded.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 12:03:55 PM
Quote from: upandwin on January 07, 2022, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 11:37:52 AM
Can you define what you mean by snobbery?

Also it would be good if you could clarify if you mean Burren, or Burren and others.



What I mean by Snobbery is that I've heard from a number of people that 'the coaching is better and they take football much more serious in Burren than any other club in their proximity'...which to be honest I can't argue with but I think if you live in a parish you should play there despite generations before you but that's just my opinion. I have seen on many occasions that a child will be purposely sent to Carrick PS because they have a mixed school, where there wasn't one in Warrenpoint. That was a tool for parents to say if they school in Burren they should play with their friends...but no there's a mixed PS in W'Point it is still happening so I that's what I'm referring to as snobbery Wobbler.



What I mean by Snobbery is that I've heard from a number of people that 'the coaching is better and they take football much more serious in Burren than any other club in their proximity


And the did not happen of the year award goes to upandwin  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 07, 2022, 12:04:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 11:57:59 AM
Well, Burren takes players from the Point, Rostrevor, Newry, Saval, and Mayobridge.
Ballyholland now is taking a lot from Newry and taking players who would have been traditionally playing for the 3 Newry town teams.
Mayobridge would always have  Saval and Drumgath parish players.
Clonduff would take from Drumgath and Rostrevor.
An Riocht would take anyone with a mourne accent ffs
Glenn takes players from Saval, Pontzpass, Newry etc, and anyone who has ever attended Dromintine Sunday.
Annaclone: If you play for Aghaderg then the Clone thinks that they can poach you.
Tullylish: Their scheme to try and win an u15 plate this year is enough for me. Probably the biggest embarrassment in Down GAA this century so far and we have had a lot.

Do you want me to go on ;D

Castlewellan take players from the Finn,
Downpatrick take players from Bright, Ardglass, Saul
Saul take players from Kilclief
Bredagh take players from Antrim Belfast clubs
Bryansford take players from Dundrum
Dundrum took players from Ballykilnar

Let's not get on like its a South Down clubs issue like some posters are trying to make out 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 07, 2022, 12:06:33 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 07, 2022, 11:58:05 AM
Quote from: upandwin on January 07, 2022, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 11:37:52 AM
Can you define what you mean by snobbery?

Also it would be good if you could clarify if you mean Burren, or Burren and others.



What I mean by Snobbery is that I've heard from a number of people that 'the coaching is better and they take football much more serious in Burren than any other club in their proximity'...which to be honest I can't argue with but I think if you live in a parish you should play there despite generations before you but that's just my opinion. I have seen on many occasions that a child will be purposely sent to Carrick PS because they have a mixed school, where there wasn't one in Warrenpoint. That was a tool for parents to say if they school in Burren they should play with their friends...but no there's a mixed PS in W'Point it is still happening so I that's what I'm referring to as snobbery Wobbler.

I wouldn't say that's snobbery on Burren's behalf but more a problem with parents - The club aren't at fault for that

No no, I'm not suggesting it's Burren snobbery here btw. I'm referring to parents snobbery. I Wouldn't be putting any blame on a club on this issue tbh, don't think any club is going to turn away kids from joining. I mean there's a perception (maybe rightly so, I don't know) that kids will get a far better chance of becoming a better player and winning stuff if they go to St Mary's so the parents take them up the road :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 12:09:46 PM
This discussion is hilarious today.

The comments about Glenn and Dromintine Sunday is particularly funny and the loaning of players.  A WUM at its best.

On another point is Ballyholland seen as a Newry club ?  Does their parish include parts of Newry ?  Genuine question as the perception is that a load of lads from Newry play for them now compared to 10-15 years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 07, 2022, 12:16:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 12:03:55 PM
Quote from: upandwin on January 07, 2022, 11:44:24 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 11:37:52 AM
Can you define what you mean by snobbery?

Also it would be good if you could clarify if you mean Burren, or Burren and others.



What I mean by Snobbery is that I've heard from a number of people that 'the coaching is better and they take football much more serious in Burren than any other club in their proximity'...which to be honest I can't argue with but I think if you live in a parish you should play there despite generations before you but that's just my opinion. I have seen on many occasions that a child will be purposely sent to Carrick PS because they have a mixed school, where there wasn't one in Warrenpoint. That was a tool for parents to say if they school in Burren they should play with their friends...but no there's a mixed PS in W'Point it is still happening so I that's what I'm referring to as snobbery Wobbler.



What I mean by Snobbery is that I've heard from a number of people that 'the coaching is better and they take football much more serious in Burren than any other club in their proximity


And the did not happen of the year award goes to upandwin  ;D


You must be right, the players from W'point/Rostrevor and Newry etc. are there for the sights and nightclubs in Burren then...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Three man weave on January 07, 2022, 12:25:46 PM
Split burren underage teams in two, East and West Burren, will make underage more competitive again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 12:30:11 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 12:09:46 PM
This discussion is hilarious today.

The comments about Glenn and Dromintine Sunday is particularly funny and the loaning of players.  A WUM at its best.

On another point is Ballyholland seen as a Newry club ?  Does their parish include parts of Newry ?  Genuine question as the perception is that a load of lads from Newry play for them now compared to 10-15 years ago.

Of the 28 panel for our most recent SFC match v Kilcoo.

20 x went to Ballyholland PS.

1 x from Ballyholland went to Bunscoil.

1 x moved to Ballyholland as a young teenager.

1 x from Derryleckagh (we are closest club)

2 x from the Manse (we are closest club)

1 x from the Dublin Road but a Ballyholland family.

1 x transferred to Ballyholland when he settled here after getting married.

1 x transferred to Ballyholland in his early 20s from a neighbouring club.

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Maybe things will be different in the future. But currently, no, we are not a Newry side, not in the sense that we recruit from Newry..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 12:38:51 PM
So does going to Ballyholland PS school mean they live in or are from Ballyholland ?

The general consensus on here is that there are a lot that went to Burren PS but aren't from or living in Burren !!

Just wondering does different clubs have different rules on this sort of thing when it comes to Gaaboard rules ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 12:48:16 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 12:38:51 PM
So does going to Ballyholland PS school mean they live in or are from Ballyholland ?

The general consensus on here is that there are a lot that went to Burren PS but aren't from or living in Burren !!

Just wondering does different clubs have different rules on this sort of thing when it comes to Gaaboard rules ?

I know what you're getting at here. The PS's reach extends out to the Warrenpoint Road and High Street areas. Which is roughly the way the Harps has always operated too. But it's always been in small numbers. Proper "town folk" just don't have the interest or want for rural roads and rural ways. Those who come to the school from Newry tend to be second generation rural folk. There's nothing pointed in what I'm explaining here by the way. Our PS is literally in the middle of nowhere. People who are used to a lifestyle of convenience will never be interested in such things!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 07, 2022, 12:59:14 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on January 07, 2022, 11:02:57 AM
Down panel for tonight
Charlie smith ; Eoin Murdock , Niall mcparland , Gerard Collins; Pierce Laverty, Darren O'Hagan, Daniel Guinness; Caolan Mooney, Gerard McGovern ; Oran Murdock, Rory Burns; Pearse Mcpolin, Gerard McGovern, Gerard Collins; Pierce Laverty, Ronan McCarthy,Barry O'Hagan; Steven Fegan, Liam Middleton, Cory Quinn, Andrew Gilmore, Daniel McCarthy, Ross Carr, Tom close
Two Pierce Lavertys,two Gerad McGoverns, two Gerdy Collins which leaves 21 players.? Who are Pearse McPolin,Eoin Murdock,Steven Fegan,Ronan and Daniel McCarthy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 01:02:59 PM
Alright fair enough, just wondering is there consistency on here when describing different clubs attracting young players.

BTW Derryleckagh would be Saval / Burren parish no ?

No idea on The Manse but would have thought it falls into a Newry parish as well if we are looking to be black and white about things on here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 01:02:59 PM
Alright fair enough, just wondering is there consistency on here when describing different clubs attracting young players.

BTW Derryleckagh would be Saval / Burren parish no ?

No idea on The Manse but would have thought it falls into a Newry parish as well if we are looking to be black and white about things on here.

Derryleckagh is in the Saval parish WGM

WGM would Burren not refuse to take players from the point for a start and tell them that their club is CPN. Surely it is becoming apparent that you have too many players and people are getting pissed off.
And yes Castlewellan , Bryansford and RGU are noted for the poaching while Loughinisland would be like the Burren of East Down, if you stopped for ice cream in Brennans you are entitled to represent The Blues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 01:12:48 PM
Derryleckagh? I suppose if you mean the Cove, then probably. If you mean 1km closer to Ballyholland, then no. Almost every child from south of the playing fields goes to Ballyholland PS.

The parish distinction is never going to work for Ballyholland. We don't have a chapel and therefore a parish per se. In this regard, are as much Newry Parish as Newry Shamrocks are, if that's how people wish to draw lines. But here's the basic reality: the most convenient GAA club for walking or driving to from the Manse is Ballyholland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 01:15:32 PM
1.Burns
2.Murtagh.
3.McIlroy
4.Collins
5.McCormick
6.McParland
7.McGeough
8.Doherty
9.Connery
10.Murdock
11.Close
12.McCartan
13.O'Hagan
14.Havern
15. Gilmore
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 01:17:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 01:02:59 PM
Alright fair enough, just wondering is there consistency on here when describing different clubs attracting young players.

BTW Derryleckagh would be Saval / Burren parish no ?

No idea on The Manse but would have thought it falls into a Newry parish as well if we are looking to be black and white about things on here.

Derryleckagh is in the Saval parish WGM

WGM would Burren not refuse to take players from the point for a start and tell them that their club is CPN. Surely it is becoming apparent that you have too many players and people are getting pissed off.
And yes Castlewellan , Bryansford and RGU are noted for the poaching while Loughinisland would be like the Burren of East Down, if you stopped for ice cream in Brennans you are entitled to represent The Blues.

;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 01:23:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 01:12:48 PM
Derryleckagh? I suppose if you mean the Cove, then probably. If you mean 1km closer to Ballyholland, then no. Almost every child from south of the playing fields goes to Ballyholland PS.

The parish distinction is never going to work for Ballyholland. We don't have a chapel and therefore a parish per se. In this regard, are as much Newry Parish as Newry Shamrocks are, if that's how people wish to draw lines. But here's the basic reality: the most convenient GAA club for walking or driving to from the Manse is Ballyholland.

So going forward what will be the guidelines for Newry clubs and Ballyholland.  Is it if you don't go to Ballyholland school you don't come through the gates or is it a free for all among the 3-4 clubs ?  Is there any problems with this at underage level at the moment ?  Genuine question BTW.

TH yes I will put a motion forward at the the next AGM in Burren to turn away all new kids and parents and tell them to feck off to the point.  I am sure it will be approved without a hitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 01:37:00 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 01:23:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 01:12:48 PM
Derryleckagh? I suppose if you mean the Cove, then probably. If you mean 1km closer to Ballyholland, then no. Almost every child from south of the playing fields goes to Ballyholland PS.

The parish distinction is never going to work for Ballyholland. We don't have a chapel and therefore a parish per se. In this regard, are as much Newry Parish as Newry Shamrocks are, if that's how people wish to draw lines. But here's the basic reality: the most convenient GAA club for walking or driving to from the Manse is Ballyholland.

So going forward what will be the guidelines for Newry clubs and Ballyholland.  Is it if you don't go to Ballyholland school you don't come through the gates or is it a free for all among the 3-4 clubs ?  Is there any problems with this at underage level at the moment ?  Genuine question BTW.

TH yes I will put a motion forward at the the next AGM in Burren to turn away all new kids and parents and tell them to feck off to the point.  I am sure it will be approved without a hitch.

Motion: Only people who reside in Burren parish are eligible to play for Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 01:37:11 PM
I don't know WGM.

I don't honestly have much if any issue with how Burren do their business. For now I would regard their current u20 crop as a freak occurrence, a year group when a club was blessed with a holy trinity of an exceptionally large pick, an exceptionally large number of kids who really want to play football and are happy to play "B", and an exceptionally large number of top drawer players.

Although not at the same levels of dominance, we hit something similar at u13 this year: fielding 2 full teams and the "A" team won the all county title. From what I know this is a statistical anomaly: the chances of us having 35+ kids at the one grade in yeh near future are none.

And maybe it's the same for Burren.

But my original point is getting mangled a little here. We all know how the senior team pyramid works. For a young player to push in, then someone else needs to be pushed out. Which could be an old timer, a currently established player, a player just a year or two above, or one of your direct peers. And I actually don't think it's healthy for club or a player, if there's 8-10 players coming through every year with the core faculties to be a senior club footballer. It must be the most nullifying feeling in the world to reach 18 and watch as your schoolmates immediately start playing D2 or D3 senior football, but all you can see ahead of you in your own club is a pecking order of 40-50 men.

Burren are in for a challenging few years here. Who knows, if we can hold onto our u13s, it might be us a few years later. Is it wrong though to suggest that we all try to manage this flow a little better when they're younger?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 01:45:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 01:37:11 PM
I don't know WGM.

I don't honestly have much if any issue with how Burren do their business. For now I would regard their current u20 crop as a freak occurrence, a year group when a club was blessed with a holy trinity of an exceptionally large pick, an exceptionally large number of kids who really want to play football and are happy to play "B", and an exceptionally large number of top drawer players.

Although not at the same levels of dominance, we hit something similar at u13 this year: fielding 2 full teams and the "A" team won the all county title. From what I know this is a statistical anomaly: the chances of us having 35+ kids at the one grade in yeh near future are none.

And maybe it's the same for Burren.

But my original point is getting mangled a little here. We all know how the senior team pyramid works. For a young player to push in, then someone else needs to be pushed out. Which could be an old timer, a currently established player, a player just a year or two above, or one of your direct peers. And I actually don't think it's healthy for club or a player, if there's 8-10 players coming through every year with the core faculties to be a senior club footballer. It must be the most nullifying feeling in the world to reach 18 and watch as your schoolmates immediately start playing D2 or D3 senior football, but all you can see ahead of you in your own club is a pecking order of 40-50 men.

Burren are in for a challenging few years here. Who knows, if we can hold onto our u13s, it might be us a few years later. Is it wrong though to suggest that we all try to manage this flow a little better when they're younger?

How would you manage the flow better? I am sure that the Newry folk are coming to Ballyholland as they have great facilities and a good community.  Should the county board enforce that players need to play in their parish or does that create hassle?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 01:57:56 PM
Has it not always been the case that any of the established teams would struggle to get more than 3 players through each year to the senior team.  Is it not the nature of things you have to be a very good minor to make it to the senior teams of Kilcoo, Burren or Clonduff etc ?

Even when Burren had mediocre teams in the early 2000's 80% of the minor teams coming through drifted to seconds/thirds teams and some even just drifted away from football altogether.  I would suggest that is the case throughout the county.

As you say this was a freak under 20 team so I dont think it will be an issue in the Burren club going forward.

On the issue of managing the flow ( if there is an issue ), should it not be on the likes of CPN, Saval or whoever else feels hard done by to do something about it rather than Burren closing its gates or the county board getting involved.  Should it not be up to those clubs to make themselves a more attractive proposition to kids and children.  I know CPN are working on it but their facilities are amongst the worst in the top division and have been for 20 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 02:00:50 PM
That's the hard part TH. There's no perfect answer, nothing even close. And the strategy would have to be malleable to allow for (boy) birth rates in the parish. But as a general rule of thumb, if your key feeder primary school(s), have an abundance of boys at p1 and p2, then do not actively seek boys from other schools, and be honest with parents from those schools should they enquire.

As a concept it's difficult to take onboard. But the one thing we all need from sport, apart from referees, is competition. And the more evenly that boys are distributed around clubs, the more competitive things become.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on January 07, 2022, 02:01:13 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 01:15:32 PM
1.Burns
2.Murtagh.
3.McIlroy
4.Collins
5.McCormick
6.McParland
7.McGeough
8.Doherty
9.Connery
10.Murdock
11.Close
12.McCartan
13.O'Hagan
14.Havern
15. Gilmore
Think i've counted 9 players making their senior debut
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 02:09:06 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 01:57:56 PM
Has it not always been the case that any of the established teams would struggle to get more than 3 players through each year to the senior team.  Is it not the nature of things you have to be a very good minor to make it to the senior teams of Kilcoo, Burren or Clonduff etc ?

Even when Burren had mediocre teams in the early 2000's 80% of the minor teams coming through drifted to seconds/thirds teams and some even just drifted away from football altogether.  I would suggest that is the case throughout the county.

As you say this was a freak under 20 team so I dont think it will be an issue in the Burren club going forward.

On the issue of managing the flow ( if there is an issue ), should it not be on the likes of CPN, Saval or whoever else feels hard done by to do something about it rather than Burren closing its gates or the county board getting involved.  Should it not be up to those clubs to make themselves a more attractive proposition to kids and children.  I know CPN are working on it but their facilities are amongst the worst in the top division and have been for 20 years.

Thats South Down snobbery right there lol Are Warrenpoint not developing land for new facilities, Saval some of the best facilities in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 07, 2022, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 07, 2022, 12:04:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 07, 2022, 11:57:59 AM
Well, Burren takes players from the Point, Rostrevor, Newry, Saval, and Mayobridge.
Ballyholland now is taking a lot from Newry and taking players who would have been traditionally playing for the 3 Newry town teams.
Mayobridge would always have  Saval and Drumgath parish players.
Clonduff would take from Drumgath and Rostrevor.
An Riocht would take anyone with a mourne accent ffs
Glenn takes players from Saval, Pontzpass, Newry etc, and anyone who has ever attended Dromintine Sunday.
Annaclone: If you play for Aghaderg then the Clone thinks that they can poach you.
Tullylish: Their scheme to try and win an u15 plate this year is enough for me. Probably the biggest embarrassment in Down GAA this century so far and we have had a lot.

Do you want me to go on ;D

Castlewellan take players from the Finn,
Downpatrick take players from Bright, Ardglass, Saul
Saul take players from Kilclief
Bredagh take players from Antrim Belfast clubs
Bryansford take players from Dundrum
Dundrum took players from Ballykilnar

Let's not get on like its a South Down clubs issue like some posters are trying to make out

Surely the trend over the last number of years has been the Finn taking players from Castlewellan...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on January 07, 2022, 04:06:04 PM
Can anyone post who makes up the Down backroom team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 07, 2022, 06:40:48 PM

[/quote]

Castlewellan take players from the Finn,
Downpatrick take players from Bright, Ardglass, Saul
Saul take players from Kilclief
Bredagh take players from Antrim Belfast clubs
Bryansford take players from Dundrum
Dundrum took players from Ballykilnar

Let's not get on like its a South Down clubs issue like some posters are trying to make out
[/quote]

Don't forget Kilcoo taking players from clubs. They have a lad on senior squad at minute from Bryansford!!! Not so innocent our magpies
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 07, 2022, 06:46:25 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 01:57:56 PM
Has it not always been the case that any of the established teams would struggle to get more than 3 players through each year to the senior team.  Is it not the nature of things you have to be a very good minor to make it to the senior teams of Kilcoo, Burren or Clonduff etc ?

Even when Burren had mediocre teams in the early 2000's 80% of the minor teams coming through drifted to seconds/thirds teams and some even just drifted away from football altogether.  I would suggest that is the case throughout the county.

As you say this was a freak under 20 team so I dont think it will be an issue in the Burren club going forward.

On the issue of managing the flow ( if there is an issue ), should it not be on the likes of CPN, Saval or whoever else feels hard done by to do something about it rather than Burren closing its gates or the county board getting involved.  Should it not be up to those clubs to make themselves a more attractive proposition to kids and children.  I know CPN are working on it but their facilities are amongst the worst in the top division and have been for 20 years.

We own St Mark's and have two full size halls in there for winter training, a pitch and half all on one site for our underage to avail of. Moygannon pitch is one of the best surfaces in the county and will get better with our new development in the coming years..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 07, 2022, 06:57:29 PM
By f**k, the slurry spreaders were in overtime today. Must be the busiest day on record.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 07, 2022, 06:59:31 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 07, 2022, 06:46:25 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 01:57:56 PM
Has it not always been the case that any of the established teams would struggle to get more than 3 players through each year to the senior team.  Is it not the nature of things you have to be a very good minor to make it to the senior teams of Kilcoo, Burren or Clonduff etc ?

Even when Burren had mediocre teams in the early 2000's 80% of the minor teams coming through drifted to seconds/thirds teams and some even just drifted away from football altogether.  I would suggest that is the case throughout the county.

As you say this was a freak under 20 team so I dont think it will be an issue in the Burren club going forward.

On the issue of managing the flow ( if there is an issue ), should it not be on the likes of CPN, Saval or whoever else feels hard done by to do something about it rather than Burren closing its gates or the county board getting involved.  Should it not be up to those clubs to make themselves a more attractive proposition to kids and children.  I know CPN are working on it but their facilities are amongst the worst in the top division and have been for 20 years.

We own St Mark's and have two full size halls in there for winter training, a pitch and half all on one site for our underage to avail of. Moygannon pitch is one of the best surfaces in the county and will get better with our new development in the coming years..

How exactly does St Peter's Warrenpoint own a school?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on January 07, 2022, 07:18:09 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 12:09:46 PM
This discussion is hilarious today.

The comments about Glenn and Dromintine Sunday is particularly funny and the loaning of players.  A WUM at its best.

On another point is Ballyholland seen as a Newry club ?  Does their parish include parts of Newry ?  Genuine question as the perception is that a load of lads from Newry play for them now compared to 10-15 years ago.

I did lol at the dromantine comment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on January 07, 2022, 07:20:50 PM
Only 22 Down players named on official team sheet for tonight. Unheard off at this level really.

Subs:
Charlie Smyth
Tomas Mcinerney
Cormac Macartan - In for Collins
Liam Middleton
Cormac O'Rawe - In for Murtagh
Tim Prenter
Ronan Beatty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on January 07, 2022, 07:23:30 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 07, 2022, 06:40:48 PM
Don't forget Kilcoo taking players from clubs. They have a lad on senior squad at minute from Bryansford!!! Not so innocent our magpies

Sure the Brannigans (no, not them Brannigans, the other ones) - have had a bad sense of direction for years. They should have been turning right when heading out onto the Moneyscalp road.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on January 07, 2022, 07:30:07 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 07, 2022, 06:40:48 PM


Castlewellan take players from the Finn,
Downpatrick take players from Bright, Ardglass, Saul
Saul take players from Kilclief
Bredagh take players from Antrim Belfast clubs
Bryansford take players from Dundrum
Dundrum took players from Ballykilnar

Let's not get on like its a South Down clubs issue like some posters are trying to make out
[/quote]

Don't forget Kilcoo taking players from clubs. They have a lad on senior squad at minute from Bryansford!!! Not so innocent our magpies
[/quote]
I doubt it Johnny in the 1st 15?? cant be!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on January 07, 2022, 07:41:42 PM
Any reason why Down only have a squad of 22 for the opening game of the season? Has covid hit the camp already or could some lads not be bothered heading the whole way to Donegal ona cold Jan evening. If wee James keeps us in Div 2 it's some achievement! Good luck to the lads making debuts. Always a proud moment no matter the circumstances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 07, 2022, 07:53:46 PM
£10 and match fuckin froze!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on January 07, 2022, 07:56:42 PM
Quote from: Targetman on January 07, 2022, 07:53:46 PM
£10 and match fuckin froze!!

Absolute joke
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 07, 2022, 08:13:40 PM
Quote from: urbangael on January 07, 2022, 07:41:42 PM
Any reason why Down only have a squad of 22 for the opening game of the season? Has covid hit the camp already or could some lads not be bothered heading the whole way to Donegal ona cold Jan evening. If wee James keeps us in Div 2 it's some achievement! Good luck to the lads making debuts. Always a proud moment no matter the circumstances.
apparently they lost a few players to covid during the week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 07, 2022, 09:03:35 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on January 07, 2022, 07:56:42 PM
Quote from: Targetman on January 07, 2022, 07:53:46 PM
£10 and match fuckin froze!!

Absolute joke

And do you think they are going to keep your £10 note and ride off gleefully into the distance never to be seen again? No, of course not. It will be refunded as would happen anywhere and it'll be forgotten about and go again Tuesday evening. Calm down, there's worse things going on in the world to get angry at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 09:15:26 PM
Will be interesting to see if they do provide a refund.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 07, 2022, 09:18:25 PM
One of those odd things tonight. The stream provider probably pitched for a couple of thousand streams, but it being a cold shitty night, in a venue far away, and with a host of debutants from across the county, there might have been as many as 10,000 looking to watch.

If that sounds absurd, I remember 7,000 odd descending on RGU to watch Ross Carr's first experimental team play Antrim seconds, on the foulest of days.

I've no idea how we played.... does anyone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 07, 2022, 09:19:50 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 07, 2022, 09:03:35 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on January 07, 2022, 07:56:42 PM
Quote from: Targetman on January 07, 2022, 07:53:46 PM
£10 and match fuckin froze!!

Absolute joke

And do you think they are going to keep your £10 note and ride off gleefully into the distance never to be seen again? No, of course not. It will be refunded as would happen anywhere and it'll be forgotten about and go again Tuesday evening. Calm down, there's worse things going on in the world to get angry at.
Ok, thanks for that reality check!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on January 07, 2022, 09:20:01 PM
It is apparent that posters using "reliable sources" for team news are producing wrong teams/squads.

Whether the poster is just making it up and taking us for a ride is also possible.

Such jokers really should be kicked off the forum, but I'll let it pass in the spirit of the New Year.

If posters want to speculate on "the team I'd like to see" there is no problem.

"Reliable source" will only be accepted if quoted from an official online source, like the County Board sites (website, Facebook, or Twitter) and a link provided.

I also think a few posters are on the edge with their posts as well, and are advised to cop on or bans will be coming - you know who you are!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 07, 2022, 09:22:26 PM
Quote from: Targetman on January 07, 2022, 09:19:50 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 07, 2022, 09:03:35 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on January 07, 2022, 07:56:42 PM
Quote from: Targetman on January 07, 2022, 07:53:46 PM
£10 and match fuckin froze!!

Absolute joke

And do you think they are going to keep your £10 note and ride off gleefully into the distance never to be seen again? No, of course not. It will be refunded as would happen anywhere and it'll be forgotten about and go again Tuesday evening. Calm down, there's worse things going on in the world to get angry at.
Ok, thanks for that reality check!

You're welcome.

10,000 wouldn't be an unreasonable suggestion for the aforementioned reasons.

Good to see Mods, playground activity at its height unfortunately.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 07, 2022, 09:26:32 PM
Donegal 1-13 Down 2-08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 07, 2022, 09:29:50 PM
On the match Down did reasonably well considering it was a very young and inexperienced team, missed Gilmore's goal in the first half but Murdock took his well, a couple of good points from Ruairi Mc Cormack and a few dodgy decisions from Hurson!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 09:33:47 PM
Was funny game for the amount we could see anyway.

Defended well but didnt offer much up front which maybe is expected from such an inexperienced team and the time of year.  Doherty and McParland will definitely add a bit of strength and bite around the middle.

I like the cut of McElroys jibe and McCormack did well.  O Hagan is a class act and hard to know whether he is better inside as he did so well in the half forward line last year.  The likes of Murdock and Close are going to need time so would be surprised if they are involved at the start of the league.  If we could find a target man akin to Harrison we mightn't be far away in staying up in Division 2.

All in all not bad start having expected a lot worse.  Thought the ref was terrible for both teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 07, 2022, 10:02:52 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 09:33:47 PM
Was funny game for the amount we could see anyway.

Defended well but didnt offer much up front which maybe is expected from such an inexperienced team and the time of year.  Doherty and McParland will definitely add a bit of strength and bite around the middle.

I like the cut of McElroys jibe and McCormack did well.  O Hagan is a class act and hard to know whether he is better inside as he did so well in the half forward line last year.  The likes of Murdock and Close are going to need time so would be surprised if they are involved at the start of the league.  If we could find a target man akin to Harrison we mightn't be far away in staying up in Division 2.

All in all not bad start having expected a lot worse.  Thought the ref was terrible for both teams.
A bit harsh on the two young lads.They were part of a team that did well a long way from home on a cold frosty night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 10:12:23 PM
Didn't think I was being harsh.  Odhran is only out of minor and Tom is probably a year older.  Just want realistic expectations set on them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 07, 2022, 10:26:14 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 10:12:23 PM
Didn't think I was being harsh.  Odhran is only out of minor and Tom is probably a year older.  Just want realistic expectations set on them.
Ok
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lazer on January 07, 2022, 10:47:54 PM
I'm just home from the game, and there was a surprising crowd there for a McKenna cup game on a snowy day.

The game was far better than I expected, some good new players and they played well especially in the 2nd half.

The goal in the first half was lucky, and our midfield really didn't do well at the breaking ball in the first half, but this improved in the 2nd half 2.

Also showed signs of good defending and managed quite a few turnovers.

Andrew Gilmore had an excellent game in my opinion, as did Rory Burns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 07, 2022, 10:52:16 PM
It was very difficult to assess our performance due to the constantly interrupted and jerky stream but the indications were that an understrength team did reasonably well on a long trip in difficult circumstances. McElroy and McCormack had decent debuts at the back, O'Rawe had his moments down the middle and Murdock and Gilmore managed goals on their first appearances. We are probably in a slightly better place for the crucial league trip to Derry but there is still a long way to go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 08, 2022, 11:35:05 PM

[/quote]
I doubt it Johnny in the 1st 15?? cant be!
[/quote]

Seàn Og McCusker has played games for them this year in championship. Only a young lad but has come through on that decent team they had a few years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on January 09, 2022, 08:22:44 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 06, 2022, 04:15:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 06, 2022, 01:03:36 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 06, 2022, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 06, 2022, 11:27:42 AM
With Pat Havern back on board Saval should be expected to make an assault on the IFC.

Paul McComiskey seen in the coffee dock in the Town with John Clarke, do not be surprised to see him in the red of Dundrum this season.

Mac hasn't played in 5 years I doubt he'll be back playing for Dundrum

He is only 33/34, would have won them the JFC if he was playing. It will be some coup for Clarke .

Does anyone know if Burren will be allowed to have a team in Div 4 this year? It will will help one team and that's Burren.

Mac is coming 35 this year and spent his last 2 years he played with persistent back issues - After that length of time out and a young family I'd be fairly certain he'll not be back, I'll wager a Docs he won't.

Im starting to be convinced you're a wind-up merchant who tries to fill their teach day in on here. Reserve teams in Div 4 was discussed and scrapped 3/4 years ago

Mccomiskey been playing for St Brigids in Belfast for the last few seasons..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 10, 2022, 08:45:29 AM
I think we can stay in division 2 this season after Friday night's display, we have a lot of players to come back I urger everyone to get behind the team. I think big O'Rawe could be useful and Finn Mc looks decent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 10, 2022, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 10, 2022, 08:45:29 AM
I think we can stay in division 2 this season after Friday night's display, we have a lot of players to come back I urger everyone to get behind the team. I think big O'Rawe could be useful and Finn Mc looks decent.
In my opinion there are only about five or six from Friday's line out that be playing come the start of the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 10, 2022, 09:11:40 AM
Quote from: wobbller on January 10, 2022, 09:04:43 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 10, 2022, 08:45:29 AM
I think we can stay in division 2 this season after Friday night's display, we have a lot of players to come back I urger everyone to get behind the team. I think big O'Rawe could be useful and Finn Mc looks decent.
In my opinion there are only about five or six from Friday's line out that be playing come the start of the league.

I hope you're wrong wobbller. Down have needed a clear out for about 5-6 seasons but there was nobody to take the places. The last couple of years of under-20s are more talented than we've had in 15 years. They of course need some experience around to help them get going, but they don't need inferior players keeping them out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 10, 2022, 10:04:59 AM
Agree with wobbler
A big clear out is needed
But can the management hold their nerve
Get Tuesday nights game over and I think James will go back to the players that have been about the squad for years
Why not stick with the likes of
McCormack
O Rawe
McElroy
Doherty
Close
Prenter
Murdock

New players so give them a go
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 10, 2022, 10:46:16 AM
All depends on what Kilcoo players commit.  If you only get 2 or 3 which i fear then you will need everyone from last years panel and the below mentioned.

From last years team I would be put the below as key players.

D O Hagan
Mooney
B O Hagan
Kerr

That leaves a lot of places up for grabs.

Add in the returning Doherty and McParland who will probably become key players and you are still short.  Realistically the below would probably be starters for Down if they make themselves available;

Kane
R McEvoy
Rooney
Morgan
J Johnston
R Johnston

With Ward and C Johnston not far away.  If the above was available it actually would be the makings of a decent div 2 team

Kane
?
McEvoy
O Hagan
Rooney
McParland
Morgan
Doherty
Mooney
R Johnston
?
?
Kerr
O Hagan
J Johnston

That full forward line would put the fear into a lot of teams.  I still think we might be a bit light at midfield and are obviously missing a few half forwards which is where some of the younger lads might fit in.

If we could get all of the above to commit I think there are reasons to be optimistic.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 10, 2022, 11:07:30 AM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 10, 2022, 10:46:16 AM
All depends on what Kilcoo players commit.  If you only get 2 or 3 which i fear then you will need everyone from last years panel and the below mentioned.

From last years team I would be put the below as key players.

D O Hagan
Mooney
B O Hagan
Kerr

That leaves a lot of places up for grabs.

Add in the returning Doherty and McParland who will probably become key players and you are still short.  Realistically the below would probably be starters for Down if they make themselves available;

Kane
R McEvoy
Rooney
Morgan
J Johnston
R Johnston

With Ward and C Johnston not far away.  If the above was available it actually would be the makings of a decent div 2 team

Kane
?
McEvoy
O Hagan
Rooney
McParland
Morgan
Doherty
Mooney
R Johnston
?
?
Kerr
O Hagan
J Johnston

That full forward line would put the fear into a lot of teams.  I still think we might be a bit light at midfield and are obviously missing a few half forwards which is where some of the younger lads might fit in.

If we could get all of the above to commit I think there are reasons to be optimistic.

Corey Quinn will walk onto the team, the best player in the county IMO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 10, 2022, 11:10:20 AM
Also, Kerr is better coming from deep and gaining yards, I do not think he is suited to playing inside and I do not think he has the brain for that game. He is unreal at getting the ball at half-back and making yards, same with Shealan J.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 10, 2022, 11:49:08 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 10, 2022, 10:04:59 AM
Agree with wobbler
A big clear out is needed
But can the management hold their nerve
Get Tuesday nights game over and I think James will go back to the players that have been about the squad for years
Why not stick with the likes of
McCormack
O Rawe
McElroy
Doherty
Close
Prenter
Murdock

New players so give them a go
I'd have to disagree on most of your 7.Only o'Rawe and Doherty for me but would add in McGeogh and can kick a 55.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 10, 2022, 11:56:38 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 10, 2022, 11:10:20 AM
Also, Kerr is better coming from deep and gaining yards, I do not think he is suited to playing inside and I do not think he has the brain for that game. He is unreal at getting the ball at half-back and making yards, same with Shealan J.

I would have him playing inside and coming out the field.

Barry O Hagan is best forward in county for me.  Corey needs to do a bit more for county to get to that level IMO.  Ideally I would have Barry further out the field as well but we would be extremely small full forward line with Jerome and Corey in it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 10, 2022, 01:21:48 PM
a forward line of Shealan, Jerome, Ryan  Kerr, Barry, Corey would definitely stay in division 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 10, 2022, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 10, 2022, 01:21:48 PM
a forward line of Shealan, Jerome, Ryan  Kerr, Barry, Corey would definitely stay in division 2

Yes that is a good forward line, but it's the rest of the team that provides the platform for forwards to play. The best forwards in Ireland can only perform if they get decent service and space to operate. But I would be positive too about the year ahead in general, hopefully see a few young faces establish themselves and see some good football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on January 10, 2022, 03:27:04 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on January 10, 2022, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 10, 2022, 01:21:48 PM
a forward line of Shealan, Jerome, Ryan  Kerr, Barry, Corey would definitely stay in division 2

Yes that is a good forward line, but it's the rest of the team that provides the platform for forwards to play. The best forwards in Ireland can only perform if they get decent service and space to operate. But I would be positive too about the year ahead in general, hopefully see a few young faces establish themselves and see some good football.
Of all the Kilcoo players, Daryl Branagan is surely the one we need most; the best club player in Down for yrs (along with Darren O'Hagan). Don't know his age, but surely we could get a year out of him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 10, 2022, 03:52:45 PM
Unpopular opinion but I do not think Dabs would be outstanding at the county level, the step-up is enormous. There are some players who have been excellent club players but never were county players. He would be are similar to Shorty Trainor, Jarly Austin, Paul Evans, Gee Morgan, Robbie Coulter et al.
I hope the Kilcoo boys commit as they need to be consistent at the highest level to be remembered outside the county. The Johnstons could be all-star material if they fully commit to the red and black.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 10, 2022, 08:55:36 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 10, 2022, 03:52:45 PM
Unpopular opinion but I do not think Dabs would be outstanding at the county level, the step-up is enormous. There are some players who have been excellent club players but never were county players. He would be are similar to Shorty Trainor, Jarly Austin, Paul Evans, Gee Morgan, Robbie Coulter et al.
I hope the Kilcoo boys commit as they need to be consistent at the highest level to be remembered outside the county. The Johnstons could be all-star material if they fully commit to the red and black.

Totally agree with your first point here. Dabs would be lucky to get in the county team. Seen him getting a trimming this year against Burren in the league by young Murdock. Didn't buy any of his antics and gave him plenty of physicality back - dabs was lost.. Doesn't happen too often but I think the likes of Shane Walsh from Galway would take him apart.
Johnston's being All Star material - don't make me laugh!! The most uncontrollable brood in this county and no club manager has ever gained their full commitment.. luckily their feet do the talking during games as attitude is poor..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 10, 2022, 09:06:54 PM
WHERE IS DOWNJIM? :o :o?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on January 11, 2022, 10:50:50 AM
With Preseason under way, what club teams do you think will take the next step this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 11:50:44 AM
Quote from: FM on January 11, 2022, 10:50:50 AM
With Preseason under way, what club teams do you think will take the next step this year?

A club like Drumaness should not be languishing in Division 4 with the players they have. I expect a push from them this season and with their new set up they should get a kick. Paddy Morgan should get them motoring and if they can get a bit of momentum going I fully expect them to get out of the division. They are a sleeping giant.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on January 11, 2022, 12:21:18 PM
The players I think will have a big season in Division 1

Kilcoo - Tiernan fettes. Harps- Sean campbell.   Cpn- Adam lynch.  Rostrevor- Conor Doyle.    Clonduff- Ryan mcgreevy.   Bridge-Aaron magee L'island- Declan mcclements Carryduff- Eoin Maguire Burren - John Mckernan Castlewellan - Sean Dornan Dpatrick - Tim Prenter  Ford- Cathal Burns

Mixture of lads with senior experience and youth, some lads only coming back from injury too. Should be interesting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on January 11, 2022, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 11:50:44 AM
Quote from: FM on January 11, 2022, 10:50:50 AM
With Preseason under way, what club teams do you think will take the next step this year?

A club like Drumaness should not be languishing in Division 4 with the players they have. I expect a push from them this season and with their new set up they should get a kick. Paddy Morgan should get them motoring and if they can get a bit of momentum going I fully expect them to get out of the division. They are a sleeping giant.

Until the soccer season starts.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 11, 2022, 01:21:40 PM
There's a few players named in tonight's team who, for the good of everyone involved in Down football, could do with a "thank you for your services" letter. It must be nullifying for younger players to waltz around them in training, to watch them start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 01:32:48 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 11, 2022, 01:21:40 PM
There's a few players named in tonight's team who, for the good of everyone involved in Down football, could do with a "thank you for your services" letter. It must be nullifying for younger players to waltz around them in training, to watch them start.

How would you know they waltz around them in training? I think its great we have experienced campaigners in the squad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 01:39:21 PM
Also James in giving plenty of lads chances and a good mix from throughout the county. Great to see Carryduff and Bredagh players representing the county. This can only benefit us going forward as East Down clubs were generally forgotten about for years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 11, 2022, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 01:39:21 PM
Also James in giving plenty of lads chances and a good mix from throughout the county. Great to see Carryduff and Bredagh players representing the county. This can only benefit us going forward as East Down clubs were generally forgotten about for years.
And here WE go again ZZZZZZ!!!.Who exactly was forgotten about for years.Name three players to back up your thinking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on January 11, 2022, 01:57:58 PM
With the two squads that have been named so far, add in 4 or 5 at least from kilcoo and maybe some others that haven't been named yet, I think there is more than enough talent and good players for Down to build a successful team and have a good year and beyond. Real signs for optimism imo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 11, 2022, 01:58:40 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 11, 2022, 01:21:40 PM
There's a few players named in tonight's team who, for the good of everyone involved in Down football, could do with a "thank you for your services" letter. It must be nullifying for younger players to waltz around them in training, to watch them start.

I would normally agree with you on this sort of thing but I would make 2 points on this.  1) All of last years panel was asked back due to the management being appointed so late in the year and the limited time for trials and the management seeing any of the club championship. 2)  Some of the younger lads are out this week because of the Sigerson and obviously the Kilcoo contingent so the management may have been limited in what they could do in terms of selection.

If some of those guys are still starting by the end of the league then I would be fully in agreement with you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 01:59:03 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 11, 2022, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 01:39:21 PM
Also James in giving plenty of lads chances and a good mix from throughout the county. Great to see Carryduff and Bredagh players representing the county. This can only benefit us going forward as East Down clubs were generally forgotten about for years.
And here WE go again ZZZZZZ!!!.Who exactly was forgotten about for years.Name three players to back up your thinking.

Danny Savage, Donal Kennedy and Donal Hughes, do you want me to continue
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 11, 2022, 02:32:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 01:59:03 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 11, 2022, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 01:39:21 PM
Also James in giving plenty of lads chances and a good mix from throughout the county. Great to see Carryduff and Bredagh players representing the county. This can only benefit us going forward as East Down clubs were generally forgotten about for years.
And here WE go again ZZZZZZ!!!.Who exactly was forgotten about for years.Name three players to back up your thinking.

Danny Savage, Donal Kennedy and Donal Hughes, do you want me to continue
Danny Savage came on as a Sub last year v Donegal in the Championship- not a County footballer really.Donal Hughes has never fully committed to the Football sie of things but a good servant of Down Hurling. Donal Kennedy I haven't a clue who he is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 11, 2022, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 01:59:03 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 11, 2022, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 01:39:21 PM
Also James in giving plenty of lads chances and a good mix from throughout the county. Great to see Carryduff and Bredagh players representing the county. This can only benefit us going forward as East Down clubs were generally forgotten about for years.
And here WE go again ZZZZZZ!!!.Who exactly was forgotten about for years.Name three players to back up your thinking.

Danny Savage, Donal Kennedy and Donal Hughes, do you want me to continue
Ps. Please continue...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 11, 2022, 02:38:05 PM
Donal Kennedy would have been Drumaness' key forward around the 2005-2015 kind of time, when South Down lads got precedence because of where they were born.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 11, 2022, 02:56:38 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 11, 2022, 02:38:05 PM
Donal Kennedy would have been Drumaness' key forward around the 2005-2015 kind of time, when South Down lads got precedence because of where they were born.
That's a while ago and really does back up truth hurts assertion that there is indeed a conspiracy.Lets have a Tribunal!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 11, 2022, 03:00:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 11, 2022, 02:38:05 PM
Donal Kennedy would have been Drumaness' key forward around the 2005-2015 kind of time, when South Down lads got precedence because of where they were born.

He was an excellent club player, maybe could have been given a shot but hard to be confident he would have made the leap to county. We will never know....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 11, 2022, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 01:59:03 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 11, 2022, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 01:39:21 PM
Also James in giving plenty of lads chances and a good mix from throughout the county. Great to see Carryduff and Bredagh players representing the county. This can only benefit us going forward as East Down clubs were generally forgotten about for years.
And here WE go again ZZZZZZ!!!.Who exactly was forgotten about for years.Name three players to back up your thinking.

Danny Savage, Donal Kennedy and Donal Hughes, do you want me to continue
Ps. Please continue...

Liam Lennon, Mal Magee, Chris Brannigan, Peter Telford, Aidy Burns would have been on the county panel if they were from Burren back in the day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 11, 2022, 03:08:05 PM
In summary:

Take any above average club player over the past 2 decades, who didn't go to become a Down senior football regular.

If from South Down, proceed.

If from East Down, disregard interest levels, disregard passion for Down, disregard consistency, disregard any required physical attributes, disregard number of opportunities given vs number of opportunities taken, and most of all disregard competition for jerseys. Truth is you've been shat upon because of where you're from. You never stood a chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 11, 2022, 03:15:38 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 11, 2022, 03:08:05 PM
In summary:

Take any above average club player over the past 2 decades, who didn't go to become a Down senior football regular.

If from South Down, proceed.

If from East Down, disregard interest levels, disregard passion for Down, disregard consistency, disregard any required physical attributes, disregard number of opportunities given vs number of opportunities taken, and most of all disregard competition for jerseys. Truth is you've been shat upon because of where you're from. You never stood a chance.
God bless the poor downtrodden castaways from that part of Down over years.Interestingly I see 9 players starting from that part of Down starting this evening.It'll have to be an historical Tribunal then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 03:34:54 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 11, 2022, 03:08:05 PM
In summary:

Take any above average club player over the past 2 decades, who didn't go to become a Down senior football regular.

If from South Down, proceed.

If from East Down, disregard interest levels, disregard passion for Down, disregard consistency, disregard any required physical attributes, disregard number of opportunities given vs number of opportunities taken, and most of all disregard competition for jerseys. Truth is you've been shat upon because of where you're from. You never stood a chance.

The wobbler : The south Down official spokesman has spoken.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 11, 2022, 04:50:50 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 11, 2022, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 01:59:03 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 11, 2022, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 01:39:21 PM
Also James in giving plenty of lads chances and a good mix from throughout the county. Great to see Carryduff and Bredagh players representing the county. This can only benefit us going forward as East Down clubs were generally forgotten about for years.
And here WE go again ZZZZZZ!!!.Who exactly was forgotten about for years.Name three players to back up your thinking.

Danny Savage, Donal Kennedy and Donal Hughes, do you want me to continue
Ps. Please continue...

Liam Lennon, Mal Magee, Chris Brannigan, Peter Telford, Aidy Burns would have been on the county panel if they were from Burren back in the day.

Some of the names mentioned wouldn't even be on the Burren panel if they were from Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 11, 2022, 05:05:04 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 01:39:21 PM
Also James in giving plenty of lads chances and a good mix from throughout the county. Great to see Carryduff and Bredagh players representing the county. This can only benefit us going forward as East Down clubs were generally forgotten about for years.
Truth hurts you seem aggrieved about players from east down not getting a fair chance.Is there anyone currently who you think should be given a chance but haven't?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on January 11, 2022, 08:17:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 11, 2022, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 01:59:03 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 11, 2022, 01:47:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2022, 01:39:21 PM
Also James in giving plenty of lads chances and a good mix from throughout the county. Great to see Carryduff and Bredagh players representing the county. This can only benefit us going forward as East Down clubs were generally forgotten about for years.
And here WE go again ZZZZZZ!!!.Who exactly was forgotten about for years.Name three players to back up your thinking.

Danny Savage, Donal Kennedy and Donal Hughes, do you want me to continue
Ps. Please continue...

Liam Lennon, Mal Magee, Chris Brannigan, Peter Telford, Aidy Burns would have been on the county panel if they were from Burren back in the day.
You talk alot of sense at times bud but in this case no.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 11, 2022, 09:36:10 PM
Following the score on Twitter - time to go back to the young boys who played Donegal?

Anyone watching online/at the game? Can let us know how we are playing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 11, 2022, 09:57:13 PM
Very poorly! Best team won
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on January 11, 2022, 10:04:06 PM
I think it's important to not be reactionary to that result, however any loss to Antrim is very poor and I say that respectfully. Antrim full value for their win and looked more cohesive throughout, Down's late start to this season fully evident tonight. My main concern is that when I look at the names on that squad tonight, I highly doubt many of them would even start for the likes of Kilcoo and Burren. A lot of work to do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 11, 2022, 10:25:09 PM
Going to be very tough to stay in Div 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on January 11, 2022, 10:27:54 PM
Down got their scores easier in the first half despite Antrim dominating the ball, but the better team on the night won. Should have been a more comfortable win for Antrim

What's the team for the league likely to look like?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on January 11, 2022, 11:38:05 PM
Wouldn't be too optimistic of retaining Division 2 status, will be a dog fight. My team for first league game providing everyone is fit and Kilcoo win Ulster as expected:

Burns

Fegan/McCartan
Murdock
Collins

DOH
McParland
Laverty

Doherty
Mooney

Guinness
Poland
Murdock

Quinn
Havern
BOH

McKernan will probably start but I think it's time to move on, he has been a great servant and theres nothing to say that he won't offer something off the bench. Some players that I've named will be very lucky to start mainly because I don't think the squad depth is there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2022, 05:29:15 AM
McMahon

Murdock
McElroy
O Hagen

Poland
McParland
McCormack

Mooney
Doherty

Guiness
Murdock
Dornan


Quinn
O Hagan
Havern


Unpopular opinion and has been some servant for Down but Darren o has lost his explosive pace and players see to be getting by him a lot easier than years ago.
I'd worry about McP at 6 when the pitches dry up again his mobility is not where it was

Murdock has to start
Barry o H has been Downs best player in both matches
Quinn and Havern great options
Doherty had done ok to date deserves a go
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on January 12, 2022, 08:07:25 AM
Have to agree with the DOH point. Great servant but best days long gone. Top forwards would have no issue with him marking them. Fill the team with pace and go for it would be the best thing James can do. We'll have no real impact in the championship and the home games will decide our future in Div 2 as I can't see us picking up much away from home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 12, 2022, 08:32:10 AM
Quote from: urbangael on January 12, 2022, 08:07:25 AM
Have to agree with the DOH point. Great servant but best days long gone. Top forwards would have no issue with him marking them. Fill the team with pace and go for it would be the best thing James can do. We'll have no real impact in the championship and the home games will decide our future in Div 2 as I can't see us picking up much away from home.
Hilarious!
Serious work ahead for whoever is on the panel.Derry match is 2 1/2 weeks away.They didn't look as fit as Antrim last night.I wouldn't be Havern biggest fan but he was missed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 08:35:21 AM
I would not panic yet and James has seen a lot of players over the past few weeks. There is still a lot of quality to come in and if it gels we should be fine. If everyone is committed we should be looking to get promotoed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2022, 08:54:31 AM
I don't know what's hilarious but anyway
At this level you need pace everywhere
That's why Barry O and Mooney are our 2 most important players
Darren could play as sweeper.
Again he has been some servant but time waits on no one
Havern will be an important player and is a certain starter with Quinn alongside him
That's a serious full forward line
I think many are overstating division 2
Galway Derry Offaly Meath Clare Westmeath Cork hardly world beaters

Galway wanted Joyce out
Kildare beat Cork in playoff game then Kerry beat them by 20
Derry no SN players

Down can compete with all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 09:07:27 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2022, 08:54:31 AM
I don't know what's hilarious but anyway
At this level you need pace everywhere
That's why Barry O and Mooney are our 2 most important players
Darren could play as sweeper.
Again he has been some servant but time waits on no one
Havern will be an important player and is a certain starter with Quinn alongside him
That's a serious full forward line
I think many are overstating division 2
Galway Derry Offaly Meath Clare Westmeath Cork hardly world beaters

Galway wanted Joyce out
Kildare beat Cork in playoff game then Kerry beat them by 20
Derry no SN players

Down can compete with all

Lads on Friday night I was not impressed with PH and thought he looked rusty. Did he not take a year out of football? I think Kevin is a better target man and scored some good points last night I would play Mooney at half back as he gets more space to open up the legs. If we can tighten our defense up then I think we have the forward power to test most teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on January 12, 2022, 09:43:54 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 09:07:27 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2022, 08:54:31 AM
I don't know what's hilarious but anyway
At this level you need pace everywhere
That's why Barry O and Mooney are our 2 most important players
Darren could play as sweeper.
Again he has been some servant but time waits on no one
Havern will be an important player and is a certain starter with Quinn alongside him
That's a serious full forward line
I think many are overstating division 2
Galway Derry Offaly Meath Clare Westmeath Cork hardly world beaters

Galway wanted Joyce out
Kildare beat Cork in playoff game then Kerry beat them by 20
Derry no SN players

Down can compete with all

Lads on Friday night I was not impressed with PH and thought he looked rusty. Did he not take a year out of football? I think Kevin is a better target man and scored some good points last night I would play Mooney at half back as he gets more space to open up the legs. If we can tighten our defense up then I think we have the forward power to test most teams.

Havern didn't play last year for saval, the game against donegal would have been his first game in nearly 2 years. Was actually surprised to see him anywhere near the panel this year. Division 2 will come down to the games against Offaly, Westmeath and Clare, get results there and we should be OK.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on January 12, 2022, 10:33:11 AM
Murdock
McElroy
O Hagen

Poland
McParland
McCormack

___________________

Imagine that defence against the likes of:
Tyrone - Meyler, McKenna, McCurry, Canavan
Donegal - McB, Murphy, Brennan, Langan
Armagh - Oneill, Campbell, Turbitt, Grugan
Monaghan - McManus, McCarron, McCarthy

Doesn't bare thinking about..........  :o :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 12, 2022, 11:38:49 AM
Quote from: mourneman9194 on January 12, 2022, 09:43:54 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 09:07:27 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2022, 08:54:31 AM
I don't know what's hilarious but anyway
At this level you need pace everywhere
That's why Barry O and Mooney are our 2 most important players
Darren could play as sweeper.
Again he has been some servant but time waits on no one
Havern will be an important player and is a certain starter with Quinn alongside him
That's a serious full forward line
I think many are overstating division 2
Galway Derry Offaly Meath Clare Westmeath Cork hardly world beaters

Galway wanted Joyce out
Kildare beat Cork in playoff game then Kerry beat them by 20
Derry no SN players

Down can compete with all

Lads on Friday night I was not impressed with PH and thought he looked rusty. Did he not take a year out of football? I think Kevin is a better target man and scored some good points last night I would play Mooney at half back as he gets more space to open up the legs. If we can tighten our defense up then I think we have the forward power to test most teams.

Havern didn't play last year for saval, the game against donegal would have been his first game in nearly 2 years. Was actually surprised to see him anywhere near the panel this year. Division 2 will come down to the games against Offaly, Westmeath and Clare, get results there and we should be OK.
Westmeath aren't in Div 2. I assume you mean Meath. They hammered us last year in league.  Clare have been In Div 2 for a while now. Its a tough task to stay up .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 12, 2022, 11:56:52 AM
Jesus lads there's no lack of pessimism on this thread...I didn't see the game last night but heard it wasn't great to say the least. Saw the team announced and there's a lot of change to come in to be fair to them. Gilmore looks a serious prospect and he wasn't playing last night, McCormack as well could add legs to that team. So no Uni lads involved and some men obviously getting a chance as we weren't going to win the group anyway so experimenting with a good few lads. The handful of Kilcoo lads to come back in as well will add significantly to the squad, alongside Cory Quinn, Lim Kerr, Havern and Sigerson players I think we will stay up in Div2. Won't be easy but I was at the Donegal game and was very impressed with large portions of the game so there's a fair bit to be positive about IMO.

Who from Kilcoo realistically will commit this year, that's the big question?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 12, 2022, 12:22:37 PM
I do think Down could easily push for 4th position in 2
A good few lads to come back in
But we need to move on from some lads who have been about to long

Mooney
Barry o
Cory q
Havern
Doherty
Murdock
Darren o


Alll above are certs for first game

Add in
Kilcoo lads
Kerr
Then we have a good team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 12:35:17 PM
Quote from: upandwin on January 12, 2022, 11:56:52 AM
Jesus lads there's no lack of pessimism on this thread...I didn't see the game last night but heard it wasn't great to say the least. Saw the team announced and there's a lot of change to come in to be fair to them. Gilmore looks a serious prospect and he wasn't playing last night, McCormack as well could add legs to that team. So no Uni lads involved and some men obviously getting a chance as we weren't going to win the group anyway so experimenting with a good few lads. The handful of Kilcoo lads to come back in as well will add significantly to the squad, alongside Cory Quinn, Lim Kerr, Havern and Sigerson players I think we will stay up in Div2. Won't be easy but I was at the Donegal game and was very impressed with large portions of the game so there's a fair bit to be positive about IMO.

Who from Kilcoo realistically will commit this year, that's the big question?

Ryan McEvoy, The 3 Johnstons, Ward, Doc , Devlin, Rooney. Why would they not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 12, 2022, 12:45:20 PM
Who are the Sigerson players currently not involved?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 12, 2022, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 12:35:17 PM
Quote from: upandwin on January 12, 2022, 11:56:52 AM
Jesus lads there's no lack of pessimism on this thread...I didn't see the game last night but heard it wasn't great to say the least. Saw the team announced and there's a lot of change to come in to be fair to them. Gilmore looks a serious prospect and he wasn't playing last night, McCormack as well could add legs to that team. So no Uni lads involved and some men obviously getting a chance as we weren't going to win the group anyway so experimenting with a good few lads. The handful of Kilcoo lads to come back in as well will add significantly to the squad, alongside Cory Quinn, Lim Kerr, Havern and Sigerson players I think we will stay up in Div2. Won't be easy but I was at the Donegal game and was very impressed with large portions of the game so there's a fair bit to be positive about IMO.

Who from Kilcoo realistically will commit this year, that's the big question?

Ryan McEvoy, The 3 Johnstons, Ward, Doc , Devlin, Rooney. Why would they not?

Just curious as there seems to be a question mark every year who goes and who doesn't go to Down...some players might want a break after a run to (potentially) an AI championship...before a new season starts in 2 months time with the club again

Was there not a question mark over whether RJ and JJ would go back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 12, 2022, 12:57:39 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 12, 2022, 12:45:20 PM
Who are the Sigerson players currently not involved?

Charlie Smyth, Ruairi McCormack and Andrew Gilmore...the latter two played on Friday night and impressed...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 02:38:32 PM
There are close to 30,000 living in Newry. Why are we not getting enough county players from this City?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 12, 2022, 02:54:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 02:38:32 PM
There are close to 30,000 living in Newry. Why are we not getting enough county players from this City?
This issue has been flogged to death over the years on this Board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 12, 2022, 02:54:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 02:38:32 PM
There are close to 30,000 living in Newry. Why are we not getting enough county players from this City?
This issue has been flogged to death over the years on this Board.

Ok , MR Kill the craic

btw the real Wobbler is much better craic
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BigRipper89 on January 12, 2022, 03:22:39 PM
I have to laugh at some of the armchair pundits disregarding excellent players as 'done' or 'not good enough'. Lads out training 5/6 nights a week under the watchful eye of 2 all ireland winners with all the fancy extras they have now adays; GPS vests, video analysis, gym programming. They are  at that level for a reason and if i was a betting man I would say a damn bit better than the ones wiritng them off ever were.

I think the team will come together, i wouldn panic yet. Playing catch up slightly with fitness judging on last night due to the late start and a tough Divison 2.Lads havent played together much by the looks of it and abit rusty but 2/3 wins could be enough to keep safe this year and hoepfully a few more from the under 20's get fed into the team during the year. But the current bunch of players have survived 3 managment teams- they coudlnt all be wrong about them...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 12, 2022, 03:30:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 12, 2022, 02:54:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 02:38:32 PM
There are close to 30,000 living in Newry. Why are we not getting enough county players from this City?
This issue has been flogged to death over the years on this Board.

Ok , MR Kill the craic

btw the real Wobbler is much better craic
My cousin the wobbler is indeed fine craic but you are raising issues continually that definetly are no craic as they have all been disccused before.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 12, 2022, 03:44:43 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 12, 2022, 03:30:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 12, 2022, 02:54:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 02:38:32 PM
There are close to 30,000 living in Newry. Why are we not getting enough county players from this City?
This issue has been flogged to death over the years on this Board.

Ok , MR Kill the craic

btw the real Wobbler is much better craic
My cousin the wobbler is indeed fine craic but you are raising issues continually that definetly are no craic as they have all been disccused before.

Reading that sentence gave me Coronavirus...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 12, 2022, 04:00:15 PM
Quote from: FM on January 12, 2022, 03:47:22 PM
Only new to this forum but so disappointed in the way some of you so called 'Gael's' go on. If down here all their players to commit and no just the likes of the kilcoo ones and others but also players like the singerson lads, u20s and even other lads who deserve a go - Ronan and daniel  McCarthy Saval. Cathal Foy Burren. Young Murdock the wee ginger fella from Rostrevor. Ohare of Saul. Fegan from Burren, scored 2-3 in the league before injury. There's more to be named no doubt. Bit of respect for the current crop of players wouldn't go a miss lads

It's a discussion board FM - Talking about which players are good enough/ aren't good enough is part of the forum.

Dip your toe into some of the other Counties forums and they'll be chatting the same way posters are on the down board
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 12, 2022, 04:04:14 PM
Quote from: upandwin on January 12, 2022, 03:44:43 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 12, 2022, 03:30:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 03:00:25 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 12, 2022, 02:54:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 02:38:32 PM
There are close to 30,000 living in Newry. Why are we not getting enough county players from this City?
This issue has been flogged to death over the years on this Board.

Ok , MR Kill the craic

btw the real Wobbler is much better craic
My cousin the wobbler is indeed fine craic but you are raising issues continually that definetly are no craic as they have all been disccused before.

Reading that sentence gave me Coronavirus...
You'll have to self-isolate then.Bye!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 04:11:21 PM
There should be an East Down v South Down trial match in senior, inter and junior every November to give managers a chance to look at new prospects. The 3 games could be played back to back and the money goes to charity. It would create a bit of buzz in the county and it would give us a chance to give the elite a good pasting LOL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 12, 2022, 04:29:50 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 04:11:21 PM
There should be an East Down v South Down trial match in senior, inter and junior every November to give managers a chance to look at new prospects. The 3 games could be played back to back and the money goes to charity. It would create a bit of buzz in the county and it would give """us""" a chance to give the elite a good pasting LOL
Us being who exactly?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on January 12, 2022, 04:42:51 PM
Did Gough from Shamrocks not get asked back to the panel this year? I think he was on the squad last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 12, 2022, 04:48:07 PM
St Colmans have taken two serious beatings in the last week and with St Marks only winning the local nerf wars competitions - is it any wonder we ain't producing enough talent the likes of Tyrone and Donegal are.. consistency at schools level gives minors a chance and they step up to u20 etc etc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 04:52:51 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 12, 2022, 04:48:07 PM
St Colmans have taken two serious beatings in the last week and with St Marks only winning the local nerf wars competitions - is it any wonder we ain't producing enough talent the likes of Tyrone and Donegal are.. consistency at schools level gives minors a chance and they step up to u20 etc etc

How will they win if they are not being coached as much as other counties?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 12, 2022, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 07, 2022, 06:59:31 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 07, 2022, 06:46:25 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 01:57:56 PM
Has it not always been the case that any of the established teams would struggle to get more than 3 players through each year to the senior team.  Is it not the nature of things you have to be a very good minor to make it to the senior teams of Kilcoo, Burren or Clonduff etc ?

Even when Burren had mediocre teams in the early 2000's 80% of the minor teams coming through drifted to seconds/thirds teams and some even just drifted away from football altogether.  I would suggest that is the case throughout the county.

As you say this was a freak under 20 team so I dont think it will be an issue in the Burren club going forward.

On the issue of managing the flow ( if there is an issue ), should it not be on the likes of CPN, Saval or whoever else feels hard done by to do something about it rather than Burren closing its gates or the county board getting involved.  Should it not be up to those clubs to make themselves a more attractive proposition to kids and children.  I know CPN are working on it but their facilities are amongst the worst in the top division and have been for 20 years.

We own St Mark's and have two full size halls in there for winter training, a pitch and half all on one site for our underage to avail of. Moygannon pitch is one of the best surfaces in the county and will get better with our new development in the coming years..

How exactly does St Peter's Warrenpoint own a school?

I'm still waiting for an answer Johnny for you to explain how your club owns St Mark's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 12, 2022, 09:28:58 PM


I'm still waiting for an answer Johnny for you to explain how your club owns St Mark's.
[/quote]

We are in the school every night of the week
We have full uninterrupted use of the facilities including the Gym/fitness suite and halls etc
We use the pitches in the longer evenings
We host all our blitzes there for small underage grades
Committee meetings are held there
The staff are even nice enough to provide tea bags, coffee and milk for us
NO ONE ELSE (GAA CLUBS) CAN GET INTO THE PLACE AS WE OWN IT..

Is that all clear enough for you???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 12, 2022, 09:32:41 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2022, 04:52:51 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 12, 2022, 04:48:07 PM
St Colmans have taken two serious beatings in the last week and with St Marks only winning the local nerf wars competitions - is it any wonder we ain't producing enough talent the likes of Tyrone and Donegal are.. consistency at schools level gives minors a chance and they step up to u20 etc etc

How will they win if they are not being coached as much as other counties?

Is this a genuine question that you want answered or a general statement??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on January 12, 2022, 09:38:41 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 12, 2022, 09:28:58 PM


I'm still waiting for an answer Johnny for you to explain how your club owns St Mark's.

We are in the school every night of the week
We have full uninterrupted use of the facilities including the Gym/fitness suite and halls etc
We use the pitches in the longer evenings
We host all our blitzes there for small underage grades
Committee meetings are held there
The staff are even nice enough to provide tea bags, coffee and milk for us
NO ONE ELSE (GAA CLUBS) CAN GET INTO THE PLACE AS WE OWN IT..

Is that all clear enough for you???
[/quote]
Doing classes to pay for the mercenary that is Mullholland?
You own a bog of a pitch, and rent a pitch off the council....
Your meetings are held in the clubrooms, so that's a lie
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 12, 2022, 10:30:18 PM

[/quote]
Doing classes to pay for the mercenary that is Mullholland?
You own a bog of a pitch, and rent a pitch off the council....
Your meetings are held in the clubrooms, so that's a lie
[/quote]

Bog of a pitch?? Duno when u were last there - it's far from a bog I can guarantee you that. Yes we also rent up at the skip site as we offer Hurling, Football, lgfa and camogie so we need all the facilities we can get..
and as an ex member of the committee I can guarantee you we were in St Marks for many many meetings.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 12, 2022, 11:23:13 PM



Last night was a disappointing performance but not a particularly surprising one. The delays in appointing a new manager meant that we started proper pre-season preparations much later than most of the other counties, and it was fairly obvious that Antrim were the fitter and better organised side, with the loss of our Sigerson players also a factor.

The Sigerson runs until the middle of February, so, with the Kilcoo contingent also unlikely to be available before then, and a number of injuries to take into consideration, even James probably has little idea at this stage about our starting line-up for the Derry game on January 29.

The people who are writing off Darren O'Hagan, undoubtedly our best player of the last decade, on the strength of one unexpected appearance as a sub, are certainly drawing premature conclusions. He has had a tough time with injuries, but we will need to see him in some league games before we can make any proper assessment of him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 13, 2022, 07:52:52 AM
A lot of common sense in that post MR.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 13, 2022, 09:05:45 AM
Nobody's writing DOH off
All I was saying is we maybe can't always depend on him now to mark a Conor McManus or McCurry and expect him to also add to our attack
He maybe needs to be now used in a different role
Sweeper or something
Laois beat Meath well after themselves getting hammered on Saturday
As I said a lot of people overstating division 2
Down are as good as any team in this division
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 13, 2022, 09:31:56 AM
Good luck to Kilcoo on Sunday, hopefully, we all can get behind them even if you are from Liatriom, The Town, The Ford, Clonduff, or Burren. It will be a great boost to the county to see the magpies as winners again.
BTW Warrenpoint is a fantastic forward-thinking club that has banished the soccer mentality from their town and seems to be pulling the whole area with them. It's a pity the town where we play our home matches does not have the same thinking.
DOH will be ready for the league and he will be one of our best performers, he never lets us down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 13, 2022, 09:44:57 AM
Tell ya what Truth...that's the best post I've seen on here in 2022. Fair play...good luck to the Magpies this week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 13, 2022, 02:31:52 PM
I know that I shouldn't bite but...................

Quotethe soccer mentality

Would you care to elaborate on what you mean by that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 13, 2022, 03:16:55 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 13, 2022, 02:31:52 PM
I know that I shouldn't bite but...................

Quotethe soccer mentality

Would you care to elaborate on what you mean by that?

Point used to be a soccer town, not anymore.

Soccer Towns/Villages in Down are Newry, Banbridge, Castlewellan, Drumaness, Strangford, Crossgar. If we could change the mentality of these areas to GAA then we as a county would be in a better shape.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 13, 2022, 03:38:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 13, 2022, 03:16:55 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 13, 2022, 02:31:52 PM
I know that I shouldn't bite but...................

Quotethe soccer mentality

Would you care to elaborate on what you mean by that?

Point used to be a soccer town, not anymore.

Soccer Towns/Villages in Down are Newry, Banbridge, Castlewellan, Drumaness, Strangford, Crossgar. If we could change the mentality of these areas to GAA then we as a county would be in a better shape.
More flogging to death of well discussed issues over the years.Keep up the daft posts!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on January 13, 2022, 03:39:26 PM
All the best to Abbey CBS tonight, hopefully put an end to the quarter final curse that has seen many teams with great players  over the years fail to get over the line. Full confidence in these young guns tonight, just hope they can produce the goods! AAAABBBBEEEYYYYY
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 13, 2022, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 13, 2022, 03:38:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 13, 2022, 03:16:55 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 13, 2022, 02:31:52 PM
I know that I shouldn't bite but...................

Quotethe soccer mentality

Would you care to elaborate on what you mean by that?

Point used to be a soccer town, not anymore.

Soccer Towns/Villages in Down are Newry, Banbridge, Castlewellan, Drumaness, Strangford, Crossgar. If we could change the mentality of these areas to GAA then we as a county would be in a better shape.
More flogging to death of well discussed issues over the years.Keep up the daft posts!

Sorry for answering a question on a discussion board. I bet you are great craic on a night craic ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 13, 2022, 04:10:42 PM
QuotePoint used to be a soccer town, not anymore.

Soccer Towns/Villages in Down are Newry, Banbridge, Castlewellan, Drumaness, Strangford, Crossgar. If we could change the mentality of these areas to GAA then we as a county would be in a better shape.

Your profile says your club is Ballykinlar, is that right?  Your time would be better spent putting some effort into getting your own senior football team back out onto the pitch.  Definitely a wind-up merchant.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 13, 2022, 04:29:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 13, 2022, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 13, 2022, 03:38:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 13, 2022, 03:16:55 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 13, 2022, 02:31:52 PM
I know that I shouldn't bite but...................

Quotethe soccer mentality

Would you care to elaborate on what you mean by that?

Point used to be a soccer town, not anymore.

Soccer Towns/Villages in Down are Newry, Banbridge, Castlewellan, Drumaness, Strangford, Crossgar. If we could change the mentality of these areas to GAA then we as a county would be in a better shape.
More flogging to death of well discussed issues over the years.Keep up the daft posts!

Sorry for answering a question on a discussion board. I bet you are great craic on a night craic ::)
Unfortunately it'll never happen that you and I will have a night out.I don't frequent your part of Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 13, 2022, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 13, 2022, 03:16:55 PM
Quote from: No1 on January 13, 2022, 02:31:52 PM
I know that I shouldn't bite but...................

Quotethe soccer mentality

Would you care to elaborate on what you mean by that?

Point used to be a soccer town, not anymore.

Soccer Towns/Villages in Down are Newry, Banbridge, Castlewellan, Drumaness, Strangford, Crossgar. If we could change the mentality of these areas to GAA then we as a county would be in a better shape.

Less so Strangford, more so the Downpatrick and Ardglass areas.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 13, 2022, 10:39:54 PM
And now Abbey out of McCrory cup at 1/4 final AGAIN.. new management, captain of the Hogan cup winning team in their only success Kevin McKernan coaching the team - but same old Abbey... What is going on with our schools football???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2022, 12:05:39 AM
The biggest underachievers in colleges football
Who gets the blame for this one
Massive favourites against new comers Holy Trinity
Holy Trinity's first ever semi final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: naka on January 14, 2022, 08:41:39 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on January 13, 2022, 11:28:00 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 13, 2022, 10:39:54 PM
And now Abbey out of McCrory cup at 1/4 final AGAIN.. new management, captain of the Hogan cup winning team in their only success Kevin McKernan coaching the team - but same old Abbey... What is going on with our schools football???
And Jody Gormley got the blame for previous failings.
Be careful what you wish for🤷🏻‍♂️
Tbf that wasn't a great abbey team in their earlier school years, they had hard luck on the night but weren't expecting miracles.
Last year was the team which alas didn't happen with Covid etc
Most guys who look in on the abbey  as past pupils are quite content that at least they are going for games now .
Decent corn na nog side coming through.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 14, 2022, 09:05:53 AM
The Abbey is the biggest underachievers other than Spurs this century, over to the college tonight to see what they are like.
I think we will be supporting the Red High though, in the McLarnon, they can give us some joy. The Newry teams are half Armagh anyway.
In all seriousness, the cunty board needs to sort our coaching in secondary schools, we are being left behind. Some schools are doing nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on January 14, 2022, 09:09:17 AM
Smurfy, they were certainly not favourites, holy trinity with 10 tyrone minors that go to all ireland final, irish news also stating they were favoirites so im not sure where your getting the abbey were 'massive favourites' from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on January 14, 2022, 09:15:06 AM
Aye Smurfy would be good if you knew what you were on about. Abbey missing their captain and 2 more big players in the team. Sending off was harsh too last night on another key Abbey player...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 14, 2022, 09:34:33 AM
Holy Trinity used to be slogging it out with the likes of St Malachys and St Marks in the old vocational school's format. They are now in a MacRory semi-final, our schools are fighting it out for a Z shield or something like that. We need to change our coaching in secondary schools, 91 and 94 were backboned by successful schools teams.

The Abbey was, unfortunately, missing a few players but they still lost. We need the Down schools to be performing. The Red High winning the Mageen was a massive boost for hurling here, it's just a pity that South Down turns their noses up at hurling except for a few clubs which have it as a token to keep some members quiet.

There are more basketball teams in the Newry schools than Hurling, Catholic maintained schools.. do me a favour!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 14, 2022, 10:43:46 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 13, 2022, 10:39:54 PM
And now Abbey out of McCrory cup at 1/4 final AGAIN.. new management, captain of the Hogan cup winning team in their only success Kevin McKernan coaching the team - but same old Abbey... What is going on with our schools football???
It's the winning mentality. Mayo have the same issue. Teams like St Colmans and St Pat's Maghera just have that winning Mentality it's built into them . As they say success breeds success.  St Colmans have a tough game tonight v Omagh who beat them in group stages.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: delgany on January 14, 2022, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 14, 2022, 09:34:33 AM
Holy Trinity used to be slogging it out with the likes of St Malachys and St Marks in the old vocational school's format. They are now in a MacRory semi-final, our schools are fighting it out for a Z shield or something like that. We need to change our coaching in secondary schools, 91 and 94 were backboned by successful schools teams.

The Abbey was, unfortunately, missing a few players but they still lost. We need the Down schools to be performing. The Red High winning the Mageen was a massive boost for hurling here, it's just a pity that South Down turns their noses up at hurling except for a few clubs which have it as a token to keep some members quiet.

There are more basketball teams in the Newry schools than Hurling, Catholic maintained schools.. do me a favour!

They have nothing to do with catholic maintained system of education . Yes they are catholic, but they are basically independent schools
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 14, 2022, 02:22:05 PM
Quote from: delgany on January 14, 2022, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 14, 2022, 09:34:33 AM
Holy Trinity used to be slogging it out with the likes of St Malachys and St Marks in the old vocational school's format. They are now in a MacRory semi-final, our schools are fighting it out for a Z shield or something like that. We need to change our coaching in secondary schools, 91 and 94 were backboned by successful schools teams.

The Abbey was, unfortunately, missing a few players but they still lost. We need the Down schools to be performing. The Red High winning the Mageen was a massive boost for hurling here, it's just a pity that South Down turns their noses up at hurling except for a few clubs which have it as a token to keep some members quiet.

There are more basketball teams in the Newry schools than Hurling, Catholic maintained schools.. do me a favour!

We used to be envied over Ireland for the successes of our schools, we are now getting rolled over in the quarter-finals. Sean Og and COT need to pursue the coaching at the secondary level and get our coaches in here .

They have nothing to do with catholic maintained system of education . Yes they are catholic, but they are basically independent schools
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: naka on January 14, 2022, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 14, 2022, 09:34:33 AM
Holy Trinity used to be slogging it out with the likes of St Malachys and St Marks in the old vocational school's format. They are now in a MacRory semi-final, our schools are fighting it out for a Z shield or something like that. We need to change our coaching in secondary schools, 91 and 94 were backboned by successful schools teams.

The Abbey was, unfortunately, missing a few players but they still lost. We need the Down schools to be performing. The Red High winning the Mageen was a massive boost for hurling here, it's just a pity that South Down turns their noses up at hurling except for a few clubs which have it as a token to keep some members quiet.

There are more basketball teams in the Newry schools than Hurling, Catholic maintained schools.. do me a favour!
tbf times have changed for the better, my lad was at the abbey last year, i was more interested in ensuring he got his points to get into the course he wanted than play mc rory.
when i played  mc rory in the 80s at least 50% of my team under achieved because they were training every evening.
football medals  dont pay the bills ( indeed remember DJ telling me that) and  most kids know that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on January 14, 2022, 07:03:58 PM
Quote from: FM on January 11, 2022, 10:50:50 AM
With Preseason under way, what club teams do you think will take the next step this year?

Would there be many Teams back training? Too early surely?
Stepping up!
Longstone & Bredagh From 2 to 1
Ballymartin & Shamrocks 3 to 2
Drumaness & Dundrum 4 to 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 14, 2022, 09:40:30 PM
And the College now just beaten by CBS Omagh after Extra-time!
1.16 to 1.9
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 14, 2022, 09:43:57 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on January 14, 2022, 09:40:30 PM
And the College now just beaten by CBS Omagh after Extra-time!
1.16 to 1.9

never scored in extra time 😕
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 14, 2022, 10:15:02 PM
Just about had my fill of Tyrone schools this week!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 14, 2022, 11:14:08 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 14, 2022, 09:43:57 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on January 14, 2022, 09:40:30 PM
And the College now just beaten by CBS Omagh after Extra-time!
1.16 to 1.9

never scored in extra time 😕
Scored a pt in et. Can't win them all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 14, 2022, 11:19:30 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 14, 2022, 11:14:08 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 14, 2022, 09:43:57 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on January 14, 2022, 09:40:30 PM
And the College now just beaten by CBS Omagh after Extra-time!
1.16 to 1.9

never scored in extra time 😕
Scored a pt in et. Can't win them all.
apologies, yeah scored a point in extra time, was 1-8 each at full time, Omagh ended up comfortable winners though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 14, 2022, 11:22:00 PM

[/quote]
Scored a pt in et. Can't win them all.
[/quote]

Can't win any in football at the moment!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 15, 2022, 07:28:05 AM
A dark week for schools football in South Down
Both Newry schools knocked out at the first hurdle
The men over these teams are no where near with what went before them
Ray Morgan
Pete McGrath
Barney McAleenan
Pj mageee
Val Kane

Gaelic games is an after thought in many schools now
Hard to grasp but that's what's happening
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on January 15, 2022, 01:24:51 PM
Is kilcoo match available to stream anywhere tomorrow please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on January 15, 2022, 01:38:27 PM
Kilcoo game is live on tg4, good luck to the magpies in their pursuit for 2 ulster titles in a row
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on January 15, 2022, 02:18:36 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 15, 2022, 07:28:05 AM
A dark week for schools football in South Down
Both Newry schools knocked out at the first hurdle
The men over these teams are no where near with what went before them
Ray Morgan
Pete McGrath
Barney McAleenan
Pj mageee
Val Kane

Gaelic games is an after thought in many schools now

Hard to grasp but that's what's happening

Pure rubbish. Have a look back over the past 10-12 years and St Colman's for one fare favourably to any school in terms of final appearances.  Ok the Abbey haven't been achieving what they would want but there is still good work going on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on January 15, 2022, 02:54:12 PM
Did Val Kane win much with the Abbey?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 15, 2022, 03:44:04 PM
Good luck to Kilcoo tomorrow, be a great lift to the county team if them boys rejoin the squad with an ulster title at the very least in their pockets! Was encouraging to read Jerome say he hopefully going back to the county panel, be some addition if the 3 Johnson's, Doherty, Morgan, Mc Evoy, Rooney and Ward all joined the panel. Wishful thinking but even 4 or 5 of them would be great.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 15, 2022, 07:50:25 PM
Is it a given that none of the Brannigans would be interested in playing for Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 15, 2022, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 12, 2022, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: Lotto on January 07, 2022, 06:59:31 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 07, 2022, 06:46:25 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 07, 2022, 01:57:56 PM
Has it not always been the case that any of the established teams would struggle to get more than 3 players through each year to the senior team.  Is it not the nature of things you have to be a very good minor to make it to the senior teams of Kilcoo, Burren or Clonduff etc ?

Even when Burren had mediocre teams in the early 2000's 80% of the minor teams coming through drifted to seconds/thirds teams and some even just drifted away from football altogether.  I would suggest that is the case throughout the county.

As you say this was a freak under 20 team so I dont think it will be an issue in the Burren club going forward.

On the issue of managing the flow ( if there is an issue ), should it not be on the likes of CPN, Saval or whoever else feels hard done by to do something about it rather than Burren closing its gates or the county board getting involved.  Should it not be up to those clubs to make themselves a more attractive proposition to kids and children.  I know CPN are working on it but their facilities are amongst the worst in the top division and have been for 20 years.

We own St Mark's and have two full size halls in there for winter training, a pitch and half all on one site for our underage to avail of. Moygannon pitch is one of the best surfaces in the county and will get better with our new development in the coming years..

How exactly does St Peter's Warrenpoint own a school?

I'm still waiting for an answer Johnny for you to explain how your club owns St Mark's.

Quote from: 5times5times on January 12, 2022, 09:38:41 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 12, 2022, 09:28:58 PM


I'm still waiting for an answer Johnny for you to explain how your club owns St Mark's.

We are in the school every night of the week
We have full uninterrupted use of the facilities including the Gym/fitness suite and halls etc
We use the pitches in the longer evenings
We host all our blitzes there for small underage grades
Committee meetings are held there
The staff are even nice enough to provide tea bags, coffee and milk for us
NO ONE ELSE (GAA CLUBS) CAN GET INTO THE PLACE AS WE OWN IT..

Is that all clear enough for you???


Johnny, is this that your attempt to explain how St Peters apparently 'own' their local school? Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but just because someone allows you to use their facilities doesn't mean that you actually own them.  Block captals don't help either, boyo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on January 15, 2022, 09:10:00 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on January 15, 2022, 02:54:12 PM
Did Val Kane win much with the Abbey?
McCrory cicra 86/87 I think. Defo mind being at the final in lurgan if my not so great memory serves me right. Couldn't have been much later as I would have been beyond giving a single fk by then. Val was sound tbf. Them brothers though. Cnts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 16, 2022, 12:07:07 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 15, 2022, 07:28:05 AM
A dark week for schools football in South Down
Both Newry schools knocked out at the first hurdle
The men over these teams are no where near with what went before them
Ray Morgan
Pete McGrath
Barney McAleenan
Pj mageee
Val Kane

Gaelic games is an after thought in many schools now
Hard to grasp but that's what's happening

Ray Morgan  Replaced by Cathal Murray - 2 hogans in a row in last ten years.
Pete McGrath

Barney McAleenan Replaced by Sean Featherstone - zero interest in football or after school development of players and his sidekick Gavin Trainor is no better - nerf war all Ireland champions this year I hope.

Pj mageee Replaced by Conor Fegan - making strides in the right direction and at least competing. I'd say will be in mccrory within 5 years.

Val Kane replaced by Jody Gormley - 1 hogan cup. Replaced by Sean Gallagher/Kevin McKernan - the usual 1/4 final knockout..

Afterthought is completely right Smurfy. Grades are the key for young ones nowadays which is understandable - but many's the player got the grades and the medals in the past.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on January 16, 2022, 09:39:48 AM
Quote from: Back2Winning on January 14, 2022, 07:03:58 PM
Quote from: FM on January 11, 2022, 10:50:50 AM
With Preseason under way, what club teams do you think will take the next step this year?

Would there be many Teams back training? Too early surely?
Stepping up!
Longstone & Bredagh From 2 to 1
Ballymartin & Shamrocks 3 to 2
Drumaness & Dundrum 4 to 3

By the end of next week all clubs should be back at it. From Div 1, anyone from Rostrevor, Bryansford, Castlewellan and Loughinisland to drop. Div 2, anyone from Longstone, Glenn, Darragh Cross, An Riocht or Saul to go up. Rest in contention to drop. Div 3, anyone from Shamrocks, Drumgath, Ballymartin or Attical to go up. Rest are in contention to drop. Div 4, 3 way battle between Kilclief, Dundrum and East Belfast
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 16, 2022, 03:16:45 PM
Best of luck to the Magpies
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on January 16, 2022, 04:06:05 PM
At first water-break, Kilcoo far superior team; defensive tactics ruining our game as usual
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Jim Bob on January 16, 2022, 04:19:51 PM
Kilcoo player wearing tracksuit bottoms ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 16, 2022, 04:23:28 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on January 16, 2022, 04:19:51 PM
Kilcoo player wearing tracksuit bottoms ??

Tights... Been wearing them all Championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on January 16, 2022, 04:23:47 PM
Maybe will come back to haunt me but Derrygonnelly look poor outfit to be contesting an Ulster Final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: smort on January 16, 2022, 04:24:20 PM
First time you've watched them jimbob?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 16, 2022, 04:27:07 PM
This is a grim game of football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 16, 2022, 04:28:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 16, 2022, 04:27:07 PM
This is a grim game of football.

Derrygonnelly need to go at Kilcoo.. Paying them too much respect, think the occasion has got to them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 16, 2022, 04:39:34 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 16, 2022, 04:28:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 16, 2022, 04:27:07 PM
This is a grim game of football.

Derrygonnelly need to go at Kilcoo.. Paying them too much respect, think the occasion has got to them

The approach seems to be to allow Kilcoo 80% possession and hope they make mistakes, then use your own 20% to kick hanging balls into a full forward  outnumbered 3 to 1.

Maybe it is actually impossible to play against Kilcoo as they're so much better.

But Jesus I can't watch this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 16, 2022, 05:19:51 PM
Laverty/Brannigan must have been watching highlights of Cluxtons winning speeches.. Weren't bothered at all about winning Ulster, all about an All-Ireland for them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 16, 2022, 05:23:26 PM
Well done kilcoo, well deserved and very comfortable winners
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 16, 2022, 05:52:37 PM
Kilcoo have jad tougher training sessions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 16, 2022, 06:19:56 PM
No Kilcoo men about the County panel for a while yet.Fair play to them.A very dominant performance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on January 16, 2022, 08:09:51 PM
Kilcoo are masters of game mgt. Seriously organised and well drilled. Ulster success not enough for them this year. Its the all Ireland they crave. Half the team would walk into the Down team if they were interested.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The_big_bad_wolf on January 16, 2022, 08:19:35 PM
Congratulations Kilcoo. I remember playing against Kilcoo in the late nineties when they were in Division 3. Someone in there club must take great credit for setting the correct structures in place to set them on the path to be Ulster champions back to back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 09:02:13 AM
Congratulations to the magpies, everyone is Down is proud of you. Kane, Dabs, McEvoy, Johnston x 3 need to come to Down. If they do we will have some team. Derrygonnely was shocking and I think about 5 teams would beat them in our county. We have a strong club set up and the games which got in the club championship show this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 17, 2022, 09:33:00 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 09:02:13 AM
Congratulations to the magpies, everyone is Down is proud of you. Kane, Dabs, McEvoy, Johnston x 3 need to come to Down. If they do we will have some team. Derrygonnely was shocking and I think about 5 teams would beat them in our county. We have a strong club set up and the games which got in the club championship show this.

Kilcoo had the measure of Derrygonnelly early on and whilst that patient, cross field toing and froing is hard to watch, it took the sting out of the Fermanagh men. I think their third point was either in the 60th minute or just after it.

Well done the Magpies and on they go to an AI semi-final.

I see a Liatroim McCrickard has a Munster club championship medal in his pocket with the Barrs..


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 09:34:51 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2022, 09:33:00 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 09:02:13 AM
Congratulations to the magpies, everyone is Down is proud of you. Kane, Dabs, McEvoy, Johnston x 3 need to come to Down. If they do we will have some team. Derrygonnely was shocking and I think about 5 teams would beat them in our county. We have a strong club set up and the games which got in the club championship show this.

Kilcoo had the measure of Derrygonnelly early on and whilst that patient, cross field toing and froing is hard to watch, it took the sting out of the Fermanagh men. I think their third point was either in the 60th minute or just after it.

Well done the Magpies and on they go to an AI semi-final.

I see a Liatroim McCrickard has a Munster club championship medal in his pocket with the Barrs..

Apparently a supporters bus heang from Liatriom to the AI semi final :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on January 17, 2022, 09:57:36 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 09:02:13 AM
Congratulations to the magpies, everyone is Down is proud of you. Kane, Dabs, McEvoy, Johnston x 3 need to come to Down. If they do we will have some team. Derrygonnely was shocking and I think about 5 teams would beat them in our county. We have a strong club set up and the games which got in the club championship show this.
Everyone? Really?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 10:06:05 AM
well apart from a few clubs who had battles over the years. There was good support there yesterday and a lot of East Down intermediate and junior clubs there in support.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 17, 2022, 10:15:15 AM
Well done Kilcoo...very impressive display and never looked in any trouble. Could see the life getting sucked out of Derrygonnelly after 15mins of chasing shadows.

Can't quite wrap my head around their game plan though, what did D'Gonnelly hope to achieve? Did they think they were going to keep Kilcoo out for 60mins or just try hang tight in the game long enough to sneak a goal late on or what? The one team in Ireland I wouldn't be inviting on is Kilcoo. Clueless from the Fermanagh champions, really shocked at how poor a spectacle that was.

Kilcoo to stroll the AI now with no Paul Mannion available for Kilmacud?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 17, 2022, 11:11:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 10:06:05 AM
well apart from a few clubs who had battles over the years. There was good support there yesterday and a lot of East Down intermediate and junior clubs there in support.
No East Down Senior Clubs supporting them?What a daft statement to be making.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on January 17, 2022, 11:11:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 10:06:05 AM
well apart from a few clubs who had battles over the years. There was good support there yesterday and a lot of East Down intermediate and junior clubs there in support.
No East Down Senior Clubs supporting them?What a daft statement to be making.

Where did i say that ross?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 17, 2022, 11:59:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on January 17, 2022, 11:11:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 10:06:05 AM
well apart from a few clubs who had battles over the years. There was good support there yesterday and a lot of East Down intermediate and junior clubs there in support.
No East Down Senior Clubs supporting them?What a daft statement to be making.

Where did i say that ross?
So you didn't see any East Down Senior Club members supporting Kilcoo?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 17, 2022, 12:07:32 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on January 17, 2022, 11:59:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on January 17, 2022, 11:11:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 10:06:05 AM
well apart from a few clubs who had battles over the years. There was good support there yesterday and a lot of East Down intermediate and junior clubs there in support.
No East Down Senior Clubs supporting them?What a daft statement to be making.

Where did i say that ross?
So you didn't see any East Down Senior Club members supporting Kilcoo?

This is ridiculous. Stop clogging up the forum with childish nonsense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 17, 2022, 12:10:57 PM
Providing they go on and win the All-Ireland - Where would this Kilcoo team rank against the Burren team of the 80s? Wasn't born so wouldn't know what that team of the 80s were like.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 17, 2022, 12:19:37 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on January 17, 2022, 12:07:32 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on January 17, 2022, 11:59:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on January 17, 2022, 11:11:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 10:06:05 AM
well apart from a few clubs who had battles over the years. There was good support there yesterday and a lot of East Down intermediate and junior clubs there in support.
No East Down Senior Clubs supporting them?What a daft statement to be making.

Where did i say that ross?
So you didn't see any East Down Senior Club members supporting Kilcoo?

This is ridiculous. Stop clogging up the forum with childish nonsense.
Agree but I just keep reacting to his non sensical posts. ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 17, 2022, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 17, 2022, 12:10:57 PM
Providing they go on and win the All-Ireland - Where would this Kilcoo team rank against the Burren team of the 80s? Wasn't born so wouldn't know what that team of the 80s were like.

I don't think it's possible to compare them. Burren ones may correct me if I'm wrong here but I believe their second AI team in 88 included 3 starters who were still at school (Fegan, Fitzpatrick, Duggan). This was at a time when talented teenagers where thrown straight into county football so it wasn't mad to see teenagers break in back then.  I just couldn't imagine a team having them physical strength to win an AI club these days with three schoolboys in it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on January 17, 2022, 01:09:56 PM
Aw ridiculous statement. Backboned by a team that won the AI 2 years previous, adding three young lads into that and saying they wouldn't win an AI this day and age is mad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 17, 2022, 01:28:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 17, 2022, 12:10:57 PM
Providing they go on and win the All-Ireland - Where would this Kilcoo team rank against the Burren team of the 80s? Wasn't born so wouldn't know what that team of the 80s were like.
I remember following that Burren team all over Ulster and seeing them win their All Irelands, my da worked with a few Burren men, they were a seriously strong physical team and throw in the likes of Shorty and Mc Ardle they had a perfect mix, the game has changed so much so to compare with Kilcoo is hard to do, but Burren have 2 Andy Merrigan's so its over to you Kilcoo !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 17, 2022, 01:34:10 PM
Quote from: FM on January 17, 2022, 01:09:56 PM
Aw ridiculous statement. Backboned by a team that won the AI 2 years previous, adding three young lads into that and saying they wouldn't win an AI this day and age is mad

My point is that times have changed and comparisons are pointless. It was no sleight on an outstanding Burren team. I'm sure the 3 schoolboys were excellent players; it's just so difficult to imagine a team winning Frank O'Hare with 3 schoolboys in it these days, let alone an AI club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 17, 2022, 01:44:33 PM
A lot of the resentment towards Kilcoo in Down is a mix of the supposed dirty tactics and sledging that has went on in recent years. Although can all teams in the county/country say they have no players that do this? And there would be jealousy also. A lot of the big clubs in Down are no where near matching Kilcoo for intensity determination and planning. They watch kilcoo breeze past them year in year out but they fail to come back better prepared the following year. I'd say most Down people want to see kilcoo  do well once they come out of Down. Im a Down man and I hope they win the All Ireqlnd. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 01:47:20 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 17, 2022, 12:10:57 PM
Providing they go on and win the All-Ireland - Where would this Kilcoo team rank against the Burren team of the 80s? Wasn't born so wouldn't know what that team of the 80s were like.

To be honest, I reckon Burren would win by a point or two but in saying that Shorty and the McGoverns must be close to 60 now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 01:51:17 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 17, 2022, 01:44:33 PM
A lot of the resentment towards Kilcoo in Down is a mix of the supposed dirty tactics and sledging that has went on in recent years. Although can all teams in the county/country say they have no players that do this? And there would be jealousy also. A lot of the big clubs in Down are no where near matching Kilcoo for intensity determination and planning. They watch kilcoo breeze past them year in year out but they fail to come back better prepared the following year. I'd say most Down people want to see kilcoo  do well once they come out of Down. Im a Down man and I hope they win the All Ireqlnd.

There is no supposed about it tbh
In saying that the sledging and dirty tactics have stopped since Moran took control and he seems to not want that type of stuff associated with him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on January 17, 2022, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 17, 2022, 01:44:33 PM
A lot of the resentment towards Kilcoo in Down is a mix of the supposed dirty tactics and sledging that has went on in recent years. Although can all teams in the county/country say they have no players that do this? And there would be jealousy also. A lot of the big clubs in Down are no where near matching Kilcoo for intensity determination and planning. They watch kilcoo breeze past them year in year out but they fail to come back better prepared the following year. I'd say most Down people want to see kilcoo  do well once they come out of Down. Im a Down man and I hope they win the All Ireqlnd.
Snoopdog is a Down man, heard it all now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 17, 2022, 01:54:38 PM
Quote from: FM on January 17, 2022, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 17, 2022, 01:44:33 PM
A lot of the resentment towards Kilcoo in Down is a mix of the supposed dirty tactics and sledging that has went on in recent years. Although can all teams in the county/country say they have no players that do this? And there would be jealousy also. A lot of the big clubs in Down are no where near matching Kilcoo for intensity determination and planning. They watch kilcoo breeze past them year in year out but they fail to come back better prepared the following year. I'd say most Down people want to see kilcoo  do well once they come out of Down. Im a Down man and I hope they win the All Ireqlnd.
Snoopdog is a Down man, heard it all now
Schools out 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 02:49:24 PM
The U20 Football Development League returns after a year's absence next month.

The competition will help teams prepare for the All-Ireland U20 Football Championship which commences in April. The League is split into five sections and will run from February 19 to March 12. There are two groups of four in the Philly McGuinness and Leo Murphy Cups.

John Kerins Cup: Laois, Kildare, Meath and Dublin

Liam O'Connor Cup: Wicklow, Offaly, Limerick and Clare

Philly McGuinness Cup: Armagh, Cavan, Westmeath, Monaghan, Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo

Leo Murphy Cup: Derry, Donegal, Mayo, Roscommon, Antrim, Down, Louth and Tyrone

Andrew Corden Cup: Tipperary, Waterford, Carlow and Wexford

Has anyone a list of the u20 panel please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on January 17, 2022, 04:24:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 17, 2022, 02:49:24 PM
The U20 Football Development League returns after a year's absence next month.

The competition will help teams prepare for the All-Ireland U20 Football Championship which commences in April. The League is split into five sections and will run from February 19 to March 12. There are two groups of four in the Philly McGuinness and Leo Murphy Cups.

John Kerins Cup: Laois, Kildare, Meath and Dublin

Liam O'Connor Cup: Wicklow, Offaly, Limerick and Clare

Philly McGuinness Cup: Armagh, Cavan, Westmeath, Monaghan, Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo

Leo Murphy Cup: Derry, Donegal, Mayo, Roscommon, Antrim, Down, Louth and Tyrone

Andrew Corden Cup: Tipperary, Waterford, Carlow and Wexford

Has anyone a list of the u20 panel please?

Panel? AFAIK the county u20s have done absolutely no training yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Jim Bob on January 17, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
Quote from: smort on January 16, 2022, 04:24:20 PM
First time you've watched them jimbob?

Yip
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on January 17, 2022, 09:28:21 PM
Down seniors drew with London on Friday night
By god we are in for a long year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 17, 2022, 09:36:47 PM
It could be short enough!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 17, 2022, 10:07:33 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on January 17, 2022, 09:28:21 PM
Down seniors drew with London on Friday night
By god we are in for a long year
Do you know what the line-out was?Bit premature to be judging unless we know the line/out.I'd presume London would have been at full strength and we'd been trying out an inexperienced side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 18, 2022, 08:56:49 AM
Very underwhelming lead up to the National League campaign.

I'm sure whoever played that game the other night will have been a fringe or squad player getting their chance so wouldn't read too much in to that...

As things stand, Starting 15 for the Div2 opener for me would be:

Burns

McCartan
McElroy
Fegan
McCormack
McParland
Mooney

Doherty
Connery

O'Rawe
Laverty
Guinness
O'Hagan
Gilmore
Quinn or Havern (If fit)

Badly in need of the Kilcoo lads to come back in. Anyone know why Shane Annett isn't on the squad? Always quality any time I've watched him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on January 18, 2022, 09:41:32 AM
Mooney the o hagans and mckernan all played against london and then a lot of the lads that played against donegal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on January 18, 2022, 09:50:26 AM
Quote from: upandwin on January 18, 2022, 08:56:49 AM
Very underwhelming lead up to the National League campaign.

I'm sure whoever played that game the other night will have been a fringe or squad player getting their chance so wouldn't read too much in to that...

As things stand, Starting 15 for the Div2 opener for me would be:

Burns

McCartan
McElroy
Fegan
McCormack
McParland
Mooney

Doherty
Connery

O'Rawe
Laverty
Guinness
O'Hagan
Gilmore
Quinn or Havern (If fit)

Badly in need of the Kilcoo lads to come back in. Anyone know why Shane Annett isn't on the squad? Always quality any time I've watched him

Who would win - That team above, or Kilcoo?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 18, 2022, 10:23:57 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on January 18, 2022, 09:41:32 AM
Mooney the o hagans and mckernan all played against london and then a lot of the lads that played against donegal.

Some guff talked on here tbf...Mooney and McKernan not available the other night so that's a good start. Also who are the 'lot of other lads'?

Never let the truth get in the way and all that...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 18, 2022, 05:18:20 PM
 Seniors going to Carlton house for a training weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 18, 2022, 08:35:55 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 18, 2022, 05:18:20 PM
Seniors going to Carlton house for a training weekend.
Any word of the league start date and how many will be go down from 1 to 2?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 18, 2022, 09:07:27 PM
If all players were available (inc kilcoo), to Wee James what would the likely team be v Monaghan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 18, 2022, 09:26:11 PM
Quote from: ardtole on January 18, 2022, 09:07:27 PM
If all players were available (inc kilcoo), to Wee James what would the likely team be v Monaghan?

N Kane; N Branagan, R McEvoy, Aaron Branagan; M Rooney, D Branagan, E Branagan; D Ward, Aaron Morgan; C Doherty, J Johnston, S Johnston; C Laverty, R Johnston, P Devlin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 19, 2022, 07:25:07 AM
Quote from: wobbller on January 18, 2022, 09:26:11 PM
Quote from: ardtole on January 18, 2022, 09:07:27 PM
If all players were available (inc kilcoo), to Wee James what would the likely team be v Monaghan?

N Kane; N Branagan, R McEvoy, Aaron Branagan; M Rooney, D Branagan, E Branagan; D Ward, Aaron Morgan; C Doherty, J Johnston, S Johnston; C Laverty, R Johnston, P Devlin.

Thats the kind off response I was expecting from Truth hurts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 19, 2022, 09:41:58 AM
Quote from: ardtole on January 19, 2022, 07:25:07 AM
Quote from: wobbller on January 18, 2022, 09:26:11 PM
Quote from: ardtole on January 18, 2022, 09:07:27 PM
If all players were available (inc kilcoo), to Wee James what would the likely team be v Monaghan?

N Kane; N Branagan, R McEvoy, Aaron Branagan; M Rooney, D Branagan, E Branagan; D Ward, Aaron Morgan; C Doherty, J Johnston, S Johnston; C Laverty, R Johnston, P Devlin.

Thats the kind off response I was expecting from Truth hurts.
Perhaps maybe one change Barry O'Hagan for Conor Laverty- he could then join the Management team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 19, 2022, 05:41:35 PM
  I see the Kilcoo game is on Sat 29th at 3pm live on TG4 while our away first League game is now moved from 5pm to 6pm.2hrs Newry to Owenbeg. A bit of a mess that. 7pm throw-in for County game would have been better
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 19, 2022, 08:40:40 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 18, 2022, 09:26:11 PM
Quote from: ardtole on January 18, 2022, 09:07:27 PM
If all players were available (inc kilcoo), to Wee James what would the likely team be v Monaghan?

N Kane; N Branagan, R McEvoy, Aaron Branagan; M Rooney, D Branagan, E Branagan; D Ward, Aaron Morgan; C Doherty, J Johnston, S Johnston; C Laverty, R Johnston, P Devlin.

Deluded..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 19, 2022, 09:10:28 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 19, 2022, 08:40:40 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 18, 2022, 09:26:11 PM
Quote from: ardtole on January 18, 2022, 09:07:27 PM
If all players were available (inc kilcoo), to Wee James what would the likely team be v Monaghan?

N Kane; N Branagan, R McEvoy, Aaron Branagan; M Rooney, D Branagan, E Branagan; D Ward, Aaron Morgan; C Doherty, J Johnston, S Johnston; C Laverty, R Johnston, P Devlin.

Deluded..
Just a bit of fun.Down could be doing with 3 or 4 of them as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 20, 2022, 10:46:00 AM
4 teams to go down from Div1 this year. It'll be the most exciting season of club football we've had in years.

Can see Kilcoo taking the foot off the pedal in the 2022 league as they do most years. Burren and Clonduff will contest Div1 most likely. Surely has to the year where Clonduff make the step up to being a proper championship contender? They have some talent at their disposal, I think they're a force to be reckoned with in 2022. Question mark will remain over their menality just, bit like W'Point-never just seem to get over the final hurdle or two.

My prediction for division 1 will be:

Burren
Clonduff
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Downpatrick
Warrenpoint
Carryduff
Ballyholland

Loughinisland
Bryansford
Castlewellan
Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on January 20, 2022, 03:03:19 PM
Not a young lad but Burren will have john mckernan back this year, devastating injury set him back for a long period. No doubt will be coming back with the fire in the belly ready to perform. Super talent
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 20, 2022, 10:29:57 PM
Quote from: upandwin on January 20, 2022, 10:46:00 AM
4 teams to go down from Div1 this year. It'll be the most exciting season of club football we've had in years.

Can see Kilcoo taking the foot off the pedal in the 2022 league as they do most years. Burren and Clonduff will contest Div1 most likely. Surely has to the year where Clonduff make the step up to being a proper championship contender? They have some talent at their disposal, I think they're a force to be reckoned with in 2022. Question mark will remain over their menality just, bit like W'Point-never just seem to get over the final hurdle or two.

My prediction for division 1 will be:

Burren
Clonduff
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Downpatrick
Warrenpoint
Carryduff
Ballyholland

Loughinisland
Bryansford
Castlewellan
Rostrevor

Few Clonduff and Burren players heading to the states for the summer I hear. This could have a major impact on both clubs if it's the names I have heard..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 20, 2022, 10:31:53 PM
Quote from: savocake on January 20, 2022, 11:52:36 AM
Im looking foward to watching the young talent in the U19 league and champo this year i have a few players to keep an eye out for-

Shane Close Hilltown
Conor Madden CPN
Ronan McLauglin Ballyholland
Finn Murdock Rostrevor
Emmet Rodgers Breada
Matthew Morgan Mayobridge
Luke Clark Kilcoo
Ciaran Lundy Bryansford
Big Tom Carryduff

Any others player to look out for this year lads?

U19 league barely happened last year let alone a league and championship this year. No room for it in the calendar unfortunately or clubs put their eggs in the senior basket and can't/won't field on Friday and Saturday back to back with the same players..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 20, 2022, 10:33:35 PM
Quote from: FM on January 20, 2022, 03:03:19 PM
Not a young lad but Burren will have john mckernan back this year, devastating injury set him back for a long period. No doubt will be coming back with the fire in the belly ready to perform. Super talent

Is FM Seamy??? John was average at underage and wasn't near the Burren team before his devastating injury - how does he now get straight in with all the young talent they have??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 21, 2022, 12:10:40 AM
Quote from: upandwin on January 20, 2022, 10:46:00 AM
4 teams to go down from Div1 this year. It'll be the most exciting season of club football we've had in years.

Can see Kilcoo taking the foot off the pedal in the 2022 league as they do most years. Burren and Clonduff will contest Div1 most likely. Surely has to the year where Clonduff make the step up to being a proper championship contender? They have some talent at their disposal, I think they're a force to be reckoned with in 2022. Question mark will remain over their menality just, bit like W'Point-never just seem to get over the final hurdle or two.

My prediction for division 1 will be:

Burren
Clonduff
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Downpatrick
Warrenpoint
Carryduff
Ballyholland

Loughinisland
Bryansford
Castlewellan
Rostrevor

Burren or CPN for the league.. Castlewellan, Bryansford, Ballyholland Downpatrick for the drop
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on January 21, 2022, 06:39:51 PM
Quote from: savocake on January 21, 2022, 09:32:33 AM
Quote from: FM on January 20, 2022, 03:03:19 PM
Not a young lad but Burren will have john mckernan back this year, devastating injury set him back for a long period. No doubt will be coming back with the fire in the belly ready to perform. Super talent
Heard alot of good things about John McKernan he could be the lad to stop kilcoos run of sucess and bring big frank ohare back to burren.
Must have a backbone then. Unusual.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on January 21, 2022, 06:44:01 PM
Why are people responding to the newest members on here who are obviously on the windup, surely you can see they are talking crap?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 21, 2022, 08:16:24 PM
Despite all the negativity Im looking forward to next weekend, hopefully Kilcoo make it too All Ireland final, and a good Down performance against Derry and maybe even sneak a win or a draw!
Team for Derry game;

Burns
Fegan
McElroy
McCartan
Guinness
Mc Parland
Mc Cormack
Doherty
Middleton
Mooney
Laverty (if available)
Connery
B O H
Havern
Gilmore



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 22, 2022, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 21, 2022, 08:16:24 PM
Despite all the negativity Im looking forward to next weekend, hopefully Kilcoo make it too All Ireland final, and a good Down performance against Derry and maybe even sneak a win or a draw!
Team for Derry game;

Burns
Fegan
McElroy
McCartan ??
Guinness
Mc Parland
Mc Cormack ??
Doherty
Middleton ??
Mooney
Laverty (if available)??
Connery ??
B O H
Havern ??
Gilmore??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on January 24, 2022, 10:20:26 AM
Down had a brilliant training weekend in the carrickdale training on a local pitch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 24, 2022, 11:18:36 AM
A high-ranking county board bureaucrat has told me that there will be 4 relegated from 1 and 2 this year, what are your thoughts on that? I would think that 3 relegated is enough, they can relegate 3 the following year to get the 10 team league back. I just think that it will be unfair on teams with a large number of county players who could be missing for a lot of the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 24, 2022, 11:46:51 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 24, 2022, 11:18:36 AM
A high-ranking county board bureaucrat has told me that there will be 4 relegated from 1 and 2 this year, what are your thoughts on that? I would think that 3 relegated is enough, they can relegate 3 the following year to get the 10 team league back. I just think that it will be unfair on teams with a large number of county players who could be missing for a lot of the league.

We knew this from October that 4 were going down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 24, 2022, 11:53:16 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 18, 2021, 05:16:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 18, 2021, 04:26:37 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 18, 2021, 03:56:50 PM
Already done as 4 down next season.. Was the agreement for no relegation this year. League is going to be interesting


Was not agreed on , fake news

Dead on then Trump.. We will see next year 👌🏻 They restructured the divisions so 10 in each a couple of years ago.. They aren't going back to 12 a league

Bumping this Up - Maybe get out of "East Down" you'll learn a thing or two Truth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 24, 2022, 12:14:06 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on January 24, 2022, 10:20:26 AM
Down had a brilliant training weekend in the carrickdale training on a local pitch.

Hurlers were in Tipp for a training weekend AFAIK..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 24, 2022, 01:07:56 PM
Is there a list of the Down u17 panel for the year ahead?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 24, 2022, 02:04:53 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 24, 2022, 11:18:36 AM
A high-ranking county board bureaucrat has told me that there will be 4 relegated from 1 and 2 this year, what are your thoughts on that? I would think that 3 relegated is enough, they can relegate 3 the following year to get the 10 team league back. I just think that it will be unfair on teams with a large number of county players who could be missing for a lot of the league.
The only Club that'll have large numbers on the County panel will be Kilcoo and they'll be in no danger of relegation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BigRipper89 on January 24, 2022, 02:19:27 PM

'Large numbers' can be alot different for some teams. Downpatrick with 5/6 players on the senior panel as i count it. Surely this would be a huge hinderance to their chances of avoiding relegation. The likes of burren, point and kilcoo would probably have a big enough pick to still feild strong teams. Is Division 2 and 3 now only having 1 team to go up? The likes of Longstone and glenn would suffer as they lose 2/3 boys and unlikely to be able to push for promotion in a tight division.


Looking forward to saturdays match- whats the thoughts? Derry probably strong favourties going into the tie now with Slaughtneil beaten yesterday. What would be a respectable result? Win, close loss or draw?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 24, 2022, 03:16:41 PM
Carryduff and Clonduff have a lot on the panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 24, 2022, 05:55:29 PM
ACFL Division 1 (12 teams)

CPN Warrenpoint (SFC) - S Mullholland
Clonduff (SFC) - C McBride
Mayobridge (SFC) - S Poacher
Burren (SFC) - J McCorry
Carryduff (SFC) - F Moriarty
Cill Chua (SFC) - M Moran
Ballyholland (SFC) - R Murtagh
Bryansford (SFC) - C Deegan
Rostrevor (IFC) - B Coulter
Loughinisland (SFC) -K Duffin
RGU Downpatrick (SFC) - K Gracey
Castlewellan (SFC) - B Grant

ACFL Division 2 (10 teams)

Longstone (SFC) - E Morgan
Glenn John Martins (SFC) - T Bagnall
An Riocht (SFC) - D Mussen
Darragh Cross (IFC) - DJ Kane / E Gormley
Bredagh (SFC) - B Mason
Sabhaill Naomh Pádraig (SFC) C O'Toole
Annaclone (IFC) - J Haughey
St John's Drumnaquoile (IFC) - C Burns
Liatroim (IFC) - F Fitzsummins
Saval (IFC) - D Hughes

ACFL Division 3 (12 teams)

Newry Shamrocks (IFC) - M Rafferty
Ballymartin (IFC) - C Brannagan
Tullylish (IFC) - D Corbett
Drumgath (IFC) - J Lynch
Attical (IFC) - C Burden
Aughlisnafin (IFC) - J Morgan
St John Bosco (IFC) - M McVeigh
Clan na Banna (IFC) - P Feeny
Teconnaught (JFC) - H Greene
Bright (IFC) - F Toner
Dromara (JFC) - M Walker
St Pauls (IFC) - P Hannigan

ACFL Division 4 (9 teams)

Kilclief (JFC)
Dundrum (JFC)
Ardglass (JFC)
East Belfast (JFC)
St Colman's Drumaness (JFC)
Glasdrumman (JFC)
Aghaderg (JFC)
St Michaels (JFC)
Newry Mitchels (JFC)

Div 1 (12)
12 - 4R = 8 + 2P = 10 teams

Div 2 (10)
10 - 4R = 6 + 4P = 10 teams

Div 3 (12)
12 + 4R= 16 - 4P= 12 teams

Div 4 (9)
9 + 4R = 13 - 2P = 11 teams 

Option 1
Bottom 3 are straight down and 4/5 from bottom play off ? This will give teams that have players starred a chance to use those players to retain divisional status 
4 up from div 2&3 and 2 up from div 4

Option 2
Bottom 4 are straight down/ 4 up div 2/3 and 2 up div 4

Option 2 variant
Top 3 are up / Fourth in div 2/3 plays the winner from 4/5 play off in the div above for place in the division above ?
Top is up /Second in div 4 plays the winner from 4/5 play off

Is this a possible scenario this year ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on January 24, 2022, 09:07:53 PM
Division 1- bottom 4 relegated. Top 2 in Division 1 promoted.

Not sure below that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on January 24, 2022, 09:08:57 PM
Fight to avoid relegation could be a real dog fight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 25, 2022, 09:43:58 AM
I think 2 down and 2 up with 3rd last playing the 3rd highest in div 2 for a playoff.
You could do the same the following year and that would be the leagues sorted again. I think this would be the fairest as you won't get the teams at the bottom of the leagues agreeing on it. Teams like The Town, Ballyholland, Rostrevor, Bryansford, and Loughinisland will not vote for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 25, 2022, 09:54:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 25, 2022, 09:43:58 AM
I think 2 down and 2 up with 3rd last playing the 3rd highest in div 2 for a playoff.
You could do the same the following year and that would be the leagues sorted again. I think this would be the fairest as you won't get the teams at the bottom of the leagues agreeing on it. Teams like The Town, Ballyholland, Rostrevor, Bryansford, and Loughinisland will not vote for it.

How does that system see 3 teams down and 2 teams up?

——

It doesn't matter if all of D1 votes against it! It'll still carry as a result of the clubs that are not affected, and the county board block vote.

——

4 teams down in one season is too many. It's actually a double whammy for as well as being relegated, you're entering a D2 the following season with 3 other D1 "residents" also looking to go straight back up.

I could foresee absolute oodles of late postponements, while clubs do what they can to get their best available XV on the field. It would be the year of the contrived Covid breakout on Thursdays.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 25, 2022, 09:56:08 AM
Will Gilligan step up on manage Kilcoo when Moran leaves or will they go for a new regime? It would be great for Mickey to bow out with the all elusive All-Ireland title.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 25, 2022, 09:57:34 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 25, 2022, 09:54:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 25, 2022, 09:43:58 AM
I think 2 down and 2 up with 3rd last playing the 3rd highest in div 2 for a playoff.
You could do the same the following year and that would be the leagues sorted again. I think this would be the fairest as you won't get the teams at the bottom of the leagues agreeing on it. Teams like The Town, Ballyholland, Rostrevor, Bryansford, and Loughinisland will not vote for it.

How does that system see 3 teams down and 2 teams up?

——

It doesn't matter if all of D1 votes against it! It'll still carry as a result of the clubs that are not affected, and the county board block vote.

——

4 teams down in one season is too many. It's actually a double whammy for as well as being relegated, you're entering a D2 the following season with 3 other D1 "residents" also looking to go straight back up.

I could foresee absolute oodles of late postponements, while clubs do what they can to get their best available XV on the field. It would be the year of the contrived Covid breakout on Thursdays.

What system would you prefer?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 25, 2022, 10:03:11 AM
You're suggesting 2 down and 2 up, with a further playoff between a D1 and D2 club. That makes 3 up, 3 down, and 12 teams in D1 next year again.

—-

Btw when we are aiming for 10 teams in D1, there is not a whole lot of point in finding ways to get the teams in 3rd or 4th in a 12-team D2 an opportunity/playoff to get into D1. Speaking from experience throughout the noughties, when you're the 15th-16th best team in the county, D1 isn't your level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 25, 2022, 10:24:55 AM
Surely the county board will decide on 3 down this year and next year. I think it'll be a manic season in Div 1 with any number of potential candidates to go down. It'll be between Castlewellan, Rostrevor, L'Island and Ballyholland or Warrenpoint IMO. Town and Reds have a massive task in front of them but any of the more established teams can be dragged in to the dogfight.

What are the predictions for Saturday's games? I fancy Kilcoo by 2 and Down to get a draw in Owenbeg
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 25, 2022, 10:33:28 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 25, 2022, 10:03:11 AM
You're suggesting 2 down and 2 up, with a further playoff between a D1 and D2 club. That makes 3 up, 3 down, and 12 teams in D1 next year again.

—-

Btw when we are aiming for 10 teams in D1, there is not a whole lot of point in finding ways to get the teams in 3rd or 4th in a 12-team D2 an opportunity/playoff to get into D1. Speaking from experience throughout the noughties, when you're the 15th-16th best team in the county, D1 isn't your level.

apologies i would like it to go to 11 teams in div 1 in 2023
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 25, 2022, 10:34:42 AM
Quote from: upandwin on January 25, 2022, 10:24:55 AM
Surely the county board will decide on 3 down this year and next year. I think it'll be a manic season in Div 1 with any number of potential candidates to go down. It'll be between Castlewellan, Rostrevor, L'Island and Ballyholland or Warrenpoint IMO. Town and Reds have a massive task in front of them but any of the more established teams can be dragged in to the dogfight.

What are the predictions for Saturday's games? I fancy Kilcoo by 2 and Down to get a draw in Owenbeg

Warrenpoint? Last year's leagues winners??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 25, 2022, 04:28:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 25, 2022, 10:34:42 AM
Quote from: upandwin on January 25, 2022, 10:24:55 AM
Surely the county board will decide on 3 down this year and next year. I think it'll be a manic season in Div 1 with any number of potential candidates to go down. It'll be between Castlewellan, Rostrevor, L'Island and Ballyholland or Warrenpoint IMO. Town and Reds have a massive task in front of them but any of the more established teams can be dragged in to the dogfight.

What are the predictions for Saturday's games? I fancy Kilcoo by 2 and Down to get a draw in Owenbeg

Warrenpoint? Last year's leagues winners??

Yep...was a very poor SFC campaign from them and heard they have a number of lads not committing this year...think they could be dragged in to a battle unless there's a number of young lads that are ready to step up...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 25, 2022, 04:33:59 PM
Quote from: upandwin on January 25, 2022, 04:28:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 25, 2022, 10:34:42 AM
Quote from: upandwin on January 25, 2022, 10:24:55 AM
Surely the county board will decide on 3 down this year and next year. I think it'll be a manic season in Div 1 with any number of potential candidates to go down. It'll be between Castlewellan, Rostrevor, L'Island and Ballyholland or Warrenpoint IMO. Town and Reds have a massive task in front of them but any of the more established teams can be dragged in to the dogfight.

What are the predictions for Saturday's games? I fancy Kilcoo by 2 and Down to get a draw in Owenbeg

Warrenpoint? Last year's leagues winners??

Yep...was a very poor SFC campaign from them and heard they have a number of lads not committing this year...think they could be dragged in to a battle unless there's a number of young lads that are ready to step up...

Who is not committing? I ma not sure they would have great youth coming through as never seem to be in the all-county league
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 25, 2022, 10:43:08 PM
Have to say I dread this year from a club perspective.. Think we could really struggle. Our best with this group is behind us for sure, it's now about blooding a few lads for the future. Think we will see a few youthful players at times this year with the elder statesmen resting up for the championship..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 26, 2022, 08:08:40 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 25, 2022, 10:43:08 PM
Have to say I dread this year from a club perspective.. Think we could really struggle. Our best with this group is behind us for sure, it's now about blooding a few lads for the future. Think we will see a few youthful players at times this year with the elder statesmen resting up for the championship..
Elder Statesmen is a term that could only be used to describe older Kilcoo players not any other elder ordinary Club footballers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 26, 2022, 12:11:34 PM
Any announcement on the squad travelling to Owenbeg Saturday eve?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BigRipper89 on January 26, 2022, 12:29:29 PM
No squad seen anywhere yet. Anyone brave enough to take a stab at the starting team.

R. Burns
G. Collins
C. Mc Cartan
N.McParland
D. O hagan
A. Doherty
C. Mooney
B. Ohagan
K.Mc Kernan

All sure to start i would say.

O.murdock
T. Close
F. Mc Ilroy
D. Gilly
R. Mc Cormick
P. Fegan
T. Rushe
J. Mc Cartan
C. O Rawe
R. Higgans
D. Murtagh
J. Connery

Could be a nice mixture of experience and youth. Depending on whos injured etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 26, 2022, 03:11:08 PM
 Good news here.Two home games and one away game starting this Saturday plus a home Hurling fixture.'

https://www.gaa.ie/news/bbc-sport-ni-to-livestream-gaa-allianz-league-matches/

Saturday 29 January – Derry v Down (Division Two Football) 6pm
Saturday 5 February - Down v Galway (Division Two Football) 5pm
Saturday 12 February - Antrim v Dublin (Division One Hurling) 2pm
Saturday 19 February - Armagh v Monaghan (Division One Football) 530pm
Saturday 26 February - Down v Roscommon (Division Two Football) 5pm
Saturday 12 March - Armagh v Kildare (Division One Football) 6pm
Saturday 19 March - Down v Kerry (Division Two Hurling) 2pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 27, 2022, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: wobbller on January 18, 2022, 09:26:11 PM
Quote from: ardtole on January 18, 2022, 09:07:27 PM
If all players were available (inc kilcoo), to Wee James what would the likely team be v Monaghan?

N Kane; N Branagan, R McEvoy, Aaron Branagan; M Rooney, D Branagan, E Branagan; D Ward, Aaron Morgan; C Doherty, J Johnston, S Johnston; C Laverty, R Johnston, P Devlin.

Down v Donegal June 27th June 2021
  R Burns; P Fegan, G McGovern, G Collins; P Laverty, D O'Hagan , D Guinness; C Mooney , R McEvoy; L Kerr , C Doherty, B O'Hagan ; C McCrickard, L Middleton, C Quinn.
Subs: S McConville for McEvoy D Savage for Middleton J Guinness  for Kerr , C McCartan for Fegan , K McKernan for McCrickard .

  There'll be a lot of changes for Sat's game from this line out 7 months ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 28, 2022, 09:11:48 AM
I would imagine the Down team will be announced this morning. We need a bit of PR about the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 28, 2022, 11:38:22 AM
Good luck to the magpies tomorrow, I really hope they can do it. I am looking forward to a few drinks in Dungicen tomorrow and then heading over to watch the new Down play.
Also, can they stop saying that they are a small club because they are not! It's tiresome, they field at every age level and have fielded 3 adult teams for over 20 years. There are clubs in the county struggling to field one team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on January 28, 2022, 12:23:23 PM
Truth Hurts, I think people mean Kilcoo has a small pick. Its actually a compliment and I for one think what you have done over the last 20 years has been the template for other clubs to follow. Good luck versus the Barrs.
Good luck to Down too, I'm feeling optimistic that we will stay in Div2 and have a decent championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 28, 2022, 12:56:48 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on January 28, 2022, 12:23:23 PM
Truth Hurts, I think people mean Kilcoo has a small pick. Its actually a compliment and I for one think what you have done over the last 20 years has been the template for other clubs to follow. Good luck versus the Barrs.
Good luck to Down too, I'm feeling optimistic that we will stay in Div2 and have a decent championship.

I think they have a good pick in comparison to a lot of clubs in the county aided by the fact that they have had a strong club for over 100 years and would be part of the traditional old clubs of Down GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on January 28, 2022, 01:10:47 PM
I like the look of that Down team, hopefully they can put in a good performance and get a result. Will be interesting to see how some of the new faces get on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 28, 2022, 01:30:23 PM
Down team to play Derry;

Rory Burns

Peter Fegan
Finn McElroy
Gerard Collins
Ruairi McCormack
Niall McParland
Darren O'Hagan

Anthony Doherty
Odhran Murdock

Caolan Mooney
Liam Kerr
Cormac McCartan
Barry O'Hagan
Tiarnan Rushe
Andtrew Gilmore
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BigRipper89 on January 28, 2022, 02:10:23 PM
Like the look of that Down team. Bookies have them 3 point underdog and Im hoping for a close game and good preformance. Derry will have sight on promotion and think this will set the tone for them.

Best of luck to kilcoo tomorrow also, has to be good for down football to have one of the best club team (if not the best) playing. Be good to see the Kilcoo lads join up with down after their great run.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 28, 2022, 04:01:19 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 28, 2022, 01:30:23 PM
Down team to play Derry;

Rory Burns

Peter Fegan
Finn McElroy
Gerard Collins
Ruairi McCormack
Niall McParland
Darren O'Hagan

Anthony Doherty
Odhran Murdock

Caolan Mooney
Liam Kerr
Cormac McCartan
Barry O'Hagan
Tiarnan Rushe
Andtrew Gilmore
No Pat Havern? Heard he was going well-have you the Subs list?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on January 28, 2022, 04:47:48 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 28, 2022, 04:01:19 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 28, 2022, 01:30:23 PM
Down team to play Derry;

Rory Burns

Peter Fegan
Finn McElroy
Gerard Collins
Ruairi McCormack
Niall McParland
Darren O'Hagan

Anthony Doherty
Odhran Murdock

Caolan Mooney
Liam Kerr
Cormac McCartan
Barry O'Hagan
Tiarnan Rushe
Andtrew Gilmore
No Pat Havern? Heard he was going well-have you the Subs list?

Havern injured his hamstring a few weeks ago I believe, Derry game came too soon for him to be involved but he may be on bench. With Havern fully fit I would have him at 14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 28, 2022, 07:09:54 PM
Can't see this team starting tbh. Don't think Kerr is fully fit for a start - McCartan at wing half forward is an interesting selection!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on January 28, 2022, 08:54:02 PM
As well as wishing Kilcoo well best of luck to Liatroim Fontenoys Conor McCrickard for tomorrows match, great achievement for that young man hoping he has a good one tomorrow. Stylish footballer I know alot wishing him and the Barr's well  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 28, 2022, 09:26:25 PM
Good luck to kilcoo and Down tomorrow, hopefully 2 good games and 2 wins
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 29, 2022, 03:50:01 PM
First half riddled with soft frees but good entertainment overall
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on January 29, 2022, 04:28:52 PM
Madness of an ending. What was Aidan Brannigan thinking. Referee has given some very soft frees throughout, much to finbarrs benefit. Huge extra time ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clarshack on January 29, 2022, 04:29:53 PM
Quote from: mourneman9194 on January 29, 2022, 04:28:52 PM
Madness of an ending. What was Aidan Brannigan thinking. Referee has given some very soft frees throughout, much to finbarrs benefit. Huge extra time ahead.

Crazy that he did that with his team about to score the winner.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: armaghniac on January 29, 2022, 04:37:50 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 29, 2022, 04:29:53 PM
Quote from: mourneman9194 on January 29, 2022, 04:28:52 PM
Madness of an ending. What was Aidan Brannigan thinking. Referee has given some very soft frees throughout, much to finbarrs benefit. Huge extra time ahead.

Crazy that he did that with his team about to score the winner.

As a pointless act of self harm that was worthy of the DUP!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 29, 2022, 05:08:22 PM
Laverty saved Kilcoo in extra time, guided them through it when a few went hiding
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 29, 2022, 05:16:12 PM
Kilcoo far better team in extra time, serious fitness. Got it tight in normal time and match could've went either way, ref done them no favours though, finbarrs seemed to get frees a lot easier. Aiden brannigan will be relieved man tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on January 29, 2022, 05:47:21 PM
Ref was ok; Kilcoo the better team, gave away some really stupid scores, slobbering at the ref in the first half and at the free-taker in the second, and for the equalising free in injury time. And as for the red card....
But they still contrived to win in the end, this must be their chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on January 29, 2022, 06:02:40 PM
Where is the Down game on? Tried the "red button', no luck
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 29, 2022, 06:09:23 PM
Quote from: befair on January 29, 2022, 06:02:40 PM
Where is the Down game on? Tried the "red button', no luck
BBC iPlayer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 29, 2022, 06:11:24 PM
I can't get into it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wolfetones on January 29, 2022, 06:14:22 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/northern-ireland/60173526
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 29, 2022, 06:29:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 29, 2022, 05:08:22 PM
Laverty saved Kilcoo in extra time, guided them through it when a few went hiding

As well as he played in extra time, it's a bit of a stretch to say he saved them when they clearly had the pace and fitness advantage at that stage. Serious athletes, they'll have a few bruises but they handled extra time superbly as usual.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on January 29, 2022, 06:50:02 PM
Well done Kilcoo great to see a Down club in an all Ireland final, hope the liatroim supporters enjoyed there day out cause that's as close as they will ever get
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on January 29, 2022, 06:51:14 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 29, 2022, 06:09:23 PM
Quote from: befair on January 29, 2022, 06:02:40 PM
Where is the Down game on? Tried the "red button', no luck
BBC iPlayer
Thanks.
Down competing well so far; bit unlucky to be 5 behind. Good to see Kerr back, tho obs not fully fit. The Kilcoo contingent will really strengthen the team (if they commit)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 29, 2022, 07:25:12 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on January 29, 2022, 06:29:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 29, 2022, 05:08:22 PM
Laverty saved Kilcoo in extra time, guided them through it when a few went hiding

As well as he played in extra time, it's a bit of a stretch to say he saved them when they clearly had the pace and fitness advantage at that stage. Serious athletes, they'll have a few bruises but they handled extra time superbly as usual.

Not in scores or bursting through 5 or 6 tackles but look at the way he controlled the game.. Few Kilcoo heads scrambled with the pressure but he was wanting every ball.. I'm not a fan of Laverty at all but if you watch that extra time again he probably had possession of the ball for majority of it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on January 29, 2022, 07:28:20 PM
Why play a sweeper and 15 men behind the ball when we are 8 pts down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 29, 2022, 07:37:03 PM
Gilmore was a bright spark in a dark night.. Team been let down by the county board in appointing a manager so late, no criticism for the 15 out there tonight, hopefully can regroup and get going next week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on January 29, 2022, 07:38:39 PM
To Kilcoo- congrats, congrats , congrats- now go finish the job and the commit to the red and and black, can't say I love ya  but what an outfit - UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 29, 2022, 07:43:38 PM
Really disappointing night for Down, struggled for scores and struggled to hold on to possession. Gilmore showed up well but lacked support. Real battle on to stay in division 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on January 29, 2022, 08:06:03 PM
Until the best players in each club come forward to represent their County, Down will always be floating between division 2 or 3. Can't knock the lads who currently represent us they are committed and giving their all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 29, 2022, 08:13:41 PM
Seen a tweet from Cahair O'Kane saying Down have now used 85 players in last 5 years, that's a serious turn over of players. First thing wee James has to do is get a settled team and try to build.

Looking at Armagh against the Dubs, they're miles ahead of us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 29, 2022, 08:37:27 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 29, 2022, 08:13:41 PM
Seen a tweet from Cahair O'Kane saying Down have now used 85 players in last 5 years, that's a serious turn over of players. First thing wee James has to do is get a settled team and try to build.

Looking at Armagh against the Dubs, they're miles ahead of us.

The funny thing is - Armagh are playing how they played 20 years ago when they won the All-Ireland, that kicking game / diagonal ball was their fortay 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on January 29, 2022, 08:38:24 PM
Lads, how is Kevin Mckernan still starting for Down, not even the best Mckernan in Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 29, 2022, 09:01:55 PM
 One point from play from our forwards and two from our defenders.Not good especially when two Clonduff forwards were deemed unfit to be part of the panel and were dropped midweek.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 29, 2022, 09:03:44 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 29, 2022, 07:25:12 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on January 29, 2022, 06:29:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 29, 2022, 05:08:22 PM
Laverty saved Kilcoo in extra time, guided them through it when a few went hiding

As well as he played in extra time, it's a bit of a stretch to say he saved them when they clearly had the pace and fitness advantage at that stage. Serious athletes, they'll have a few bruises but they handled extra time superbly as usual.

Not in scores or bursting through 5 or 6 tackles but look at the way he controlled the game.. Few Kilcoo heads scrambled with the pressure but he was wanting every ball.. I'm not a fan of Laverty at all but if you watch that extra time again he probably had possession of the ball for majority of it

Don't get me wrong, I agree he was superb in controlling the game when they needed that composure (as usual), but I just meant there were a few others who stepped up in extra time with lung busting running and Devlin with his couple of scores. Their fitness and determination when they go to extra time is unbelievable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on January 29, 2022, 09:36:41 PM
 Congratulations kilcoo.
Down what can you say, poor team poor management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on January 29, 2022, 10:10:59 PM
Anyone in this lot to make a difference next Sat v Galway?Div 3 here we come

16
Gary McMahon C.P.N
17
Denis Murtagh Gleann
18
Adam Lynch C.P.N
19
Brendan McArdle Eamach Cluana
20
Conor Francis Bredach
21
Jack McCartan Gleann
22
Josh Connery Ceathrú Aoidh Duibh
23
Keuin McKernan Boireann
24
Liam Middleton Liatroim
25
Ryan O Higgins Ath Bhriain
26
Sean Blaney Bredach
27
Tim Prenter R.G.U
28
Tom Close Cluain Daimh :-
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 29, 2022, 10:12:42 PM
I thought Morgan done very well when introduced.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 29, 2022, 10:46:48 PM
Quote from: FM on January 29, 2022, 08:38:24 PM
Lads, how is Kevin Mckernan still starting for Down, not even the best Mckernan in Burren

First part of ur comment is spot on. It's actually baffling how he is still on the panel let alone starting a NFL game. Named Rushe and he came on so why not start him. 23 year old lad full of energy and good on the ball. If he's fit to come in he's fit to start. Brendan Rodgers must've been licking his lips when he heard mckernan was starting instead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 29, 2022, 10:47:11 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on January 29, 2022, 09:01:55 PM
One point from play from our forwards and two from our defenders.Not good especially when two Clonduff forwards were deemed unfit to be part of the panel and were dropped midweek.

Who was dropped???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 29, 2022, 11:06:46 PM
An outstanding ET performance from Kilcoo today but sadly a flat one from Down for most of the game in a low key atmosphere at Owenbeg. We had fine debuts from McElroy and particularly Gilmore, while Murdoch also had his moments, but our more experienced players were largely disappointing against a fairly ordinary Derry side who were seldom put under real pressure. We conceded a poor goal when it was still tight and might even have got back into it after the break when Mooney did all the difficult work and produced a careless finish which was blocked on the line. That was effectively the end of the contest, although Burns kept making comical errors to keep us entertained. There was an overall lack of focus and direction which will have to be addressed pretty quickly if we are going to stay in D2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 29, 2022, 11:15:37 PM
Hard to see that team getting enough scores to win a fame. Can only hope the best of kilcoo make themselves available for selection after their all Ireland club final. At the minute the majority of the best players in Down are kilcoo men. 7 or 8 could walk into that Down team. Congrats to kilcoo , they will hopefully win it now. Hard to know what crokes bring. They look beatable in most of the games I've seen them in. Comfortable today though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 29, 2022, 11:35:47 PM
 I heard Donaghy from Bryansford was dropped.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 30, 2022, 12:47:07 AM
 The only good thing about the trip to Owenbeg was the Ponderosa before for the Kilcoo game and the craic and pints after the game.More comment tomorrow with a clear head😃.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Trap on January 30, 2022, 01:28:46 AM
Down are now the worst team in Ulster! Very sad fall for the aristocracy!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 30, 2022, 08:55:19 AM
Very disappointing performance yesterday, massive task for wee James to keep Down in Div2 now. Really hope that 5 or 6 the Kilcoo lads want to play for Down this year. N Kane, R McEvoy, Jerome, Ryan & Sheelan, and D Ward, all would make some difference to the starting 15 and as options of the bench. Along with Daniel Guinness and Pearse Laverty if he's available.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 30, 2022, 04:01:30 PM
Galway hammered Meath today, Meath never scored until 43rd minute, Down play Galway next so it's definitely not getting any easier
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 31, 2022, 08:38:44 AM
Time to give Charlie Smyth a chance in nets
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on January 31, 2022, 09:07:12 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 31, 2022, 08:38:44 AM
Time to give Charlie Smyth a chance in nets

I'd go with John O'Hare first
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on January 31, 2022, 09:26:51 AM
Smyth / Kane

Fegan
McEvoy
McElroy

Rooney
D O Hagan / McParland
Mooney

Doherty
Murdock

Ward
Kerr
R Johnston

S Johnston
B O Hagan
J Johnston

Pace Pace Pace

That assumes none of the Brannigans will commit and the Johnstons will.  Mooney has played his best football for Down when he is running onto the ball from half back.  I dont think we are going to out defend a team as we arent good enough at it so lets attack teams with our strengths, speed and accuracy.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 31, 2022, 09:53:10 AM
Quote from: general on January 31, 2022, 09:07:12 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 31, 2022, 08:38:44 AM
Time to give Charlie Smyth a chance in nets

I'd go with John O'Hare first

He is not even on the panel ffs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 31, 2022, 11:37:43 AM
I see the Kilcoo PRO has begun the siege mentality in preparation for the final on Twitter LOL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 31, 2022, 01:53:05 PM
Any decision made yet on the Div 1 debacle? Is there going to be four down or what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 31, 2022, 02:02:30 PM
Smyth

Fegan
McElroy
Docherty


D O Hagan
McParland
Mooney

O'Rawe
Connery

Murdock
Kerr
McCormick

C Francis
B O Hagan
A Gilmore

My team for Saturday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BigRipper89 on January 31, 2022, 02:41:35 PM
Poor result at the weekend. Same glimpses of life in this team but will have to improve quickly in a short space of time.

Keeper- didnt look that secure/ confident throughout.

Defence- Mc Elory very good 1 on 1, Mc Parland stopped 2/3 goal chances first half, fegan and collins marked tightly, mooney showed in flashes and mc cartan was a good outlet from defence. overall i think they were let down by a poor night for the forwards.

Midfield- Worked hard but Derry came out on top. No obvious target for kickouts. ( O rawe out hurt I think)

Forwards-Poor handling, shot choices and finishing was the main downfall. Ohagan plenty of effort but gave up possession to many times, mc kernan not a threat inside, Kerr and gilmore looked good in flashes, Mc cormick took a good score but looked abit lost sometimes

subs- too late for them to make a difference. Would of liked to see Rushe and Mc Cartan on earlier to ask different questions inside 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on January 31, 2022, 03:57:13 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 31, 2022, 02:02:30 PM
Smyth

Fegan
McElroy
Docherty


D O Hagan
McParland
Mooney

O'Rawe
Connery

Murdock
Kerr
McCormick

C Francis
B O Hagan
A Gilmore

My team for Saturday
So you are dropping Collins from defence and bringing back Doherty to fill his place?What sense does this make?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on January 31, 2022, 07:21:07 PM
Aw listen here! If it's sense you want you're addressing the wrong group.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 31, 2022, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on January 31, 2022, 07:21:07 PM
Aw listen here! If it's sense you want you're addressing the wrong group.
There are a few of us on here of a sound mind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on January 31, 2022, 11:18:07 PM
Have any of the Brannigan's ever played for Down?

What age would Eugene or Darryl be? I'd be beating their doors down to get them involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on January 31, 2022, 11:34:11 PM
Down v Monaghan Ulster SFC

Smyth

Collins
McArdle
Aaron Brannigan

D Brannigan
McParland
D O'Hagan

Murdock
Mooney

B O'Hagan
J Johnston
McGovern

S McCartan
Kerr
Ryan Johnston

This is the team that Down are hoping to put out in Championship.
Already there has been talk to try and get the money together to buy out the soccer contracts and wages.
Lots of talk about scholarships and other ways to compensate the players if this can be done within GAA rules.
At the minute QUB GAA have scholarships but talk is they don't want to offer any more scholarships if players aren't playing for club and counties.
It would be some addition to Down if this can happen.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on February 01, 2022, 02:52:04 AM
Quote from: yewtree on January 31, 2022, 11:34:11 PM
Down v Monaghan Ulster SFC

Smyth

Collins
McArdle
Aaron Brannigan

D Brannigan
McParland
D O'Hagan

Murdock
Mooney

B O'Hagan
J Johnston
McGovern

S McCartan
Kerr
Ryan Johnston

This is the team that Down are hoping to put out in Championship.
Already there has been talk to try and get the money together to buy out the soccer contracts and wages.
Lots of talk about scholarships and other ways to compensate the players if this can be done within GAA rules.
At the minute QUB GAA have scholarships but talk is they don't want to offer any more scholarships if players aren't playing for club and counties.
It would be some addition to Down if this can happen.

It seems overload, but the Kilcoo keeper, , full-back, and the other Branagan (the wing half-back)would also strengthen the team; if they can be persuaded....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 01, 2022, 06:07:20 AM
Quote from: toby47 on January 31, 2022, 11:18:07 PM
Have any of the Brannigan's ever played for Down?

What age would Eugene or Darryl be? I'd be beating their doors down to get them involved.

Aidan was on the panel under wee James first time around. He got very little game time, both himself and Laverty were on the bench, maybe thats were the resentment first started? I dont kniw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 01, 2022, 06:29:31 AM
Quote from: befair on February 01, 2022, 02:52:04 AM
Quote from: yewtree on January 31, 2022, 11:34:11 PM
Down v Monaghan Ulster SFC

Smyth

Collins
McArdle
Aaron Brannigan

D Brannigan
McParland
D O'Hagan

Murdock
Mooney

B O'Hagan
J Johnston
McGovern

S McCartan
Kerr
Ryan Johnston

This is the team that Down are hoping to put out in Championship.
Already there has been talk to try and get the money together to buy out the soccer contracts and wages.
Lots of talk about scholarships and other ways to compensate the players if this can be done within GAA rules.
At the minute QUB GAA have scholarships but talk is they don't want to offer any more scholarships if players aren't playing for club and counties.
It would be some addition to Down if this can happen.

It seems overload, but the Kilcoo keeper, , full-back, and the other Branagan (the wing half-back)would also strengthen the team; if they can be persuaded....

McEvoy at full back would be a definite starter for me if available.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 01, 2022, 07:07:09 AM
Quote from: ardtole on February 01, 2022, 06:29:31 AM
Quote from: befair on February 01, 2022, 02:52:04 AM
Quote from: yewtree on January 31, 2022, 11:34:11 PM
Down v Monaghan Ulster SFC

Smyth

Collins
McArdle
Aaron Brannigan

D Brannigan
McParland
D O'Hagan

Murdock
Mooney

B O'Hagan
J Johnston
McGovern

S McCartan
Kerr
Ryan Johnston

This is the team that Down are hoping to put out in Championship.
Already there has been talk to try and get the money together to buy out the soccer contracts and wages.
Lots of talk about scholarships and other ways to compensate the players if this can be done within GAA rules.
At the minute QUB GAA have scholarships but talk is they don't want to offer any more scholarships if players aren't playing for club and counties.
It would be some addition to Down if this can happen.

It seems overload, but the Kilcoo keeper, , full-back, and the other Branagan (the wing half-back)would also strengthen the team; if they can be persuaded....

McEvoy at full back would be a definite starter for me if available.

100% and Eugene Branagan. Live in hope lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 01, 2022, 07:55:32 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 01, 2022, 07:07:09 AM
Quote from: ardtole on February 01, 2022, 06:29:31 AM
Quote from: befair on February 01, 2022, 02:52:04 AM
Quote from: yewtree on January 31, 2022, 11:34:11 PM
Down v Monaghan Ulster SFC

Smyth

Collins
McArdle
Aaron Brannigan

D Brannigan
McParland
D O'Hagan

Murdock
Mooney

B O'Hagan
J Johnston
McGovern

S McCartan
Kerr
Ryan Johnston

This is the team that Down are hoping to put out in Championship.
Already there has been talk to try and get the money together to buy out the soccer contracts and wages.
Lots of talk about scholarships and other ways to compensate the players if this can be done within GAA rules.
At the minute QUB GAA have scholarships but talk is they don't want to offer any more scholarships if players aren't playing for club and counties.
It would be some addition to Down if this can happen.

It seems overload, but the Kilcoo keeper, , full-back, and the other Branagan (the wing half-back)would also strengthen the team; if they can be persuaded....

McEvoy at full back would be a definite starter for me if available.

100% and Eugene Branagan. Live in hope lol
and Miceal Rooney 👍
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 01, 2022, 08:39:18 AM
There comes a point in every player's life when you realise that you aren't just the superstar you thought you were. It isn't that you don't have the talent or the drive or the skills. It's just that the day arrives when you find out the difference between the shallow end and the deep end. Welcome to the Thunderdome.

I watched the club championships back in February and March and the player that jumped out at me and everyone else was Michael Lundy of Corofin. You didn't need to be an expert to see that this guy can really play. He was fast, he was direct, he was decisive. When Corofin were in trouble, he called for the ball and drove at the opposition. He was excellent against St Vincent's and the same again against Slaughtneil on St Patrick's Day.

There were a couple more stand-out players for Corofin, like Gary Sice and Liam Silke, but you couldn't come away from those games and not look forward to what Lundy was going to bring to Galway in the summer.

So when I watched the recording of Mayo and Galway on Sunday after coming back from Thurles, he was one of the players I kept an eye out for from the start.

I didn't know whether it would be Lee Keegan or Colm Boyle who'd be on him but, one way or another, this was going to be a test above all tests for him. Keegan and Boyle are as good as it gets as wing-backs – fast, strong, physical, full of running. Most important of all, they've been swimming in that deep water for four or five years at this stage.

It was Keegan that Lundy found himself on and straight away within the opening 40 seconds, the pair of them were wrestling away on the ground. The referee stopped play and went over and flashed a yellow at them both. The camera caught both of their reactions afterwards – Lundy let a big roar out of him, as if to say, 'Now I have you where I want you'. Keegan just smiled a big smile, saying pretty much the same thing.


If Lundy thought he had Keegan in trouble because he got him on a yellow card inside the first minute, he was about to find out this wasn't Corofin he was playing for. We ain't in Kansas anymore, Toto.

Keegan has played in All-Ireland finals, he has a couple of All Stars under his belt. An early yellow card isn't going to inhibit him or stop him doing what needs to be done. He shut Lundy down for the rest of the game and only picked up his second yellow in injury-time for a bit of spoiling when the game was won. These boys have been around the block too many times to let a yellow card play on their mind.

The main thing I took away from watching Lundy was the massive jump you have to take from being a top-class club player to competing with the big guns at intercounty. Lundy was the best player on the best club team in the country but he hardly made an impact on Sunday. I don't want to knock him or single him out just for the sake of it, only to make the wider point about the step up in class.

The distance between club and county is light years. You never realise it until it happens to you. People can warn you about it and you can try to prepare yourself but until you've gone out and tried something that worked in a club game but falls on its arse in an intercounty one, you won't be able to get your head around it. It's probably the earliest lesson you learn.

Second Captains

The club
Club football gives you a false impression of how good you are. That lovely little dummy solo that bought you a yard of space in a club game might work the first time you try it in county training but it won't the second time. The second time, the defender will strip the ball and laugh at you while he's doing it.


On the face of it, the game is the same. There's every chance that when you go in for county training, the drills won't be all that different to what you're used to with a good club team. This is a small country and when somebody comes up with an innovative new drill, it crosses club and county boundaries like a rumour. So you'll see a coach lay out a drill for you and you'll be happy enough because you've seen it before.

But the difference is the speed. Not so much speed on your feet or with your hands. More speed in your head. At club level, the drills are designed to improve your skill with the ball.

At county level, even if the drill is exactly the same, the objective is different. It's taken as given that you have the skill – the purpose of the drill is to do the skill at pace.

Intercounty football is about economy. Move the ball at a high tempo, cover the ground in the most efficient way possible. For that to happen, these skills have to come as second nature. Club players take time to weigh up their options. It might only be a split-second but in the wrong company it's a split-second too much.

Pure fun

I loved playing club football. There's nothing you enjoy in your career more than time spent playing football with the fellas you grew up with. Even though you spend such a huge chunk of your time with the county panel, you long for the simplicity of being back with the club.

Just the pure fun of it. The slagging, the stories, the ducking and diving. My own club An Ghaeltacht went way up to Galway one year to play in a tournament. I wasn't with them because I was away with Kerry but I heard all about it. There was supposed to be a curfew but sure boys will be boys and by the time they met up for training the following week, all anyone was talking about was whether management were going to take action.

I used travel back west from Tralee with our manager Séamus MacGearailt. The boys knew I'd be in the car with him so I was to suss out what the story was. I got into the dressing room and straight away put them at their ease. Ye're grand lads. No big deal. Boys will be boys.

We went out and warmed up anyway, before Séamus called us into a circle. And he proceeded to tear strips out of every last one of them! Heedless messers, the lot of them. No standards. No pride. No hope. How could any of them hope to play for the county with this sort of attitude?

As he was doing this, they were all staring over at me, fit to kill me. I felt that they should be thanking me – sure didn't I give them a few brief moments of happiness on their way to the electric chair?

Some people assume it's a chore going back playing for the club but that's not the way it is at all. Apart from anything else, a few county league games are great for the confidence if things aren't going well. Never underestimate the good it does you to turn a club game your team's way by making a burst for 15 or 20 minutes and really affecting the game.

But if you've been around for a few years at this thing, you know it's not doing you a lot of good. Short-term, maybe it will give you a boost and get you back some confidence. But long-term, it's no use to you. You're playing at a lower level and you're swanning around barely being touched.

The talent
It's the effect of the environment that surrounds you. Last Sunday, Michael Lundy found that he wasn't just up to it in that environment. I have no doubt that he will be, just not yet. He obviously has the talent and he's shown that he is well capable of lighting up games when the circumstances are right.

What he needs now is experience. He needs Galway to go on a run through the qualifiers and make an All-Ireland quarter-final, he needs to come up against good defenders from different counties and get the better of them.

He needs plenty of games for Galway rather than for Corofin so that when he meets Lee Keegan next year, he will be able to give him a better, fuller challenge.

Darragh O'Se wrote this in 2015 about Micheal Lundy of Corofin, We are getting carried away here men
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BigRipper89 on February 01, 2022, 10:15:04 AM
Truth Hurts makes some very good points. Think people under estimate the step up to county football from club. Now thats not to say that a big handful of lads from kilcoo would be fit to make the panel. But its just not as easy to slot them straight in to downs starting 15. Niall and Adain Brannigan played in 2012 also and didnt get much game time so think thats why they choose not to commit as alot older now. Now Mc Evoy, Dabs, Jonstones, PD, Ward and Doc more than capable of playing at that level but would be in competition for starting places not certain of them. Forwards like Kerr, B.o Hagan, Corey Quinn all be of that level. Rooney cracking club player and would like to see him get a run for down this year and Mc Evoy/ Mc Elroy be great competition for each other.


On another note, any word of whats happening with the leauges. Surely it wont be 3 16 leauge teams with 6 going down at the end of the year as suggested. This would be such a waste of a year for some club teams   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 01, 2022, 10:29:32 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 01, 2022, 08:39:18 AM
There comes a point in every player's life when you realise that you aren't just the superstar you thought you were. It isn't that you don't have the talent or the drive or the skills. It's just that the day arrives when you find out the difference between the shallow end and the deep end. Welcome to the Thunderdome.

I watched the club championships back in February and March and the player that jumped out at me and everyone else was Michael Lundy of Corofin. You didn't need to be an expert to see that this guy can really play. He was fast, he was direct, he was decisive. When Corofin were in trouble, he called for the ball and drove at the opposition. He was excellent against St Vincent's and the same again against Slaughtneil on St Patrick's Day.

There were a couple more stand-out players for Corofin, like Gary Sice and Liam Silke, but you couldn't come away from those games and not look forward to what Lundy was going to bring to Galway in the summer.

So when I watched the recording of Mayo and Galway on Sunday after coming back from Thurles, he was one of the players I kept an eye out for from the start.

I didn't know whether it would be Lee Keegan or Colm Boyle who'd be on him but, one way or another, this was going to be a test above all tests for him. Keegan and Boyle are as good as it gets as wing-backs – fast, strong, physical, full of running. Most important of all, they've been swimming in that deep water for four or five years at this stage.

It was Keegan that Lundy found himself on and straight away within the opening 40 seconds, the pair of them were wrestling away on the ground. The referee stopped play and went over and flashed a yellow at them both. The camera caught both of their reactions afterwards – Lundy let a big roar out of him, as if to say, 'Now I have you where I want you'. Keegan just smiled a big smile, saying pretty much the same thing.


If Lundy thought he had Keegan in trouble because he got him on a yellow card inside the first minute, he was about to find out this wasn't Corofin he was playing for. We ain't in Kansas anymore, Toto.

Keegan has played in All-Ireland finals, he has a couple of All Stars under his belt. An early yellow card isn't going to inhibit him or stop him doing what needs to be done. He shut Lundy down for the rest of the game and only picked up his second yellow in injury-time for a bit of spoiling when the game was won. These boys have been around the block too many times to let a yellow card play on their mind.

The main thing I took away from watching Lundy was the massive jump you have to take from being a top-class club player to competing with the big guns at intercounty. Lundy was the best player on the best club team in the country but he hardly made an impact on Sunday. I don't want to knock him or single him out just for the sake of it, only to make the wider point about the step up in class.

The distance between club and county is light years. You never realise it until it happens to you. People can warn you about it and you can try to prepare yourself but until you've gone out and tried something that worked in a club game but falls on its arse in an intercounty one, you won't be able to get your head around it. It's probably the earliest lesson you learn.

Second Captains

The club
Club football gives you a false impression of how good you are. That lovely little dummy solo that bought you a yard of space in a club game might work the first time you try it in county training but it won't the second time. The second time, the defender will strip the ball and laugh at you while he's doing it.


On the face of it, the game is the same. There's every chance that when you go in for county training, the drills won't be all that different to what you're used to with a good club team. This is a small country and when somebody comes up with an innovative new drill, it crosses club and county boundaries like a rumour. So you'll see a coach lay out a drill for you and you'll be happy enough because you've seen it before.

But the difference is the speed. Not so much speed on your feet or with your hands. More speed in your head. At club level, the drills are designed to improve your skill with the ball.

At county level, even if the drill is exactly the same, the objective is different. It's taken as given that you have the skill – the purpose of the drill is to do the skill at pace.

Intercounty football is about economy. Move the ball at a high tempo, cover the ground in the most efficient way possible. For that to happen, these skills have to come as second nature. Club players take time to weigh up their options. It might only be a split-second but in the wrong company it's a split-second too much.

Pure fun

I loved playing club football. There's nothing you enjoy in your career more than time spent playing football with the fellas you grew up with. Even though you spend such a huge chunk of your time with the county panel, you long for the simplicity of being back with the club.

Just the pure fun of it. The slagging, the stories, the ducking and diving. My own club An Ghaeltacht went way up to Galway one year to play in a tournament. I wasn't with them because I was away with Kerry but I heard all about it. There was supposed to be a curfew but sure boys will be boys and by the time they met up for training the following week, all anyone was talking about was whether management were going to take action.

I used travel back west from Tralee with our manager Séamus MacGearailt. The boys knew I'd be in the car with him so I was to suss out what the story was. I got into the dressing room and straight away put them at their ease. Ye're grand lads. No big deal. Boys will be boys.

We went out and warmed up anyway, before Séamus called us into a circle. And he proceeded to tear strips out of every last one of them! Heedless messers, the lot of them. No standards. No pride. No hope. How could any of them hope to play for the county with this sort of attitude?

As he was doing this, they were all staring over at me, fit to kill me. I felt that they should be thanking me – sure didn't I give them a few brief moments of happiness on their way to the electric chair?

Some people assume it's a chore going back playing for the club but that's not the way it is at all. Apart from anything else, a few county league games are great for the confidence if things aren't going well. Never underestimate the good it does you to turn a club game your team's way by making a burst for 15 or 20 minutes and really affecting the game.

But if you've been around for a few years at this thing, you know it's not doing you a lot of good. Short-term, maybe it will give you a boost and get you back some confidence. But long-term, it's no use to you. You're playing at a lower level and you're swanning around barely being touched.

The talent
It's the effect of the environment that surrounds you. Last Sunday, Michael Lundy found that he wasn't just up to it in that environment. I have no doubt that he will be, just not yet. He obviously has the talent and he's shown that he is well capable of lighting up games when the circumstances are right.

What he needs now is experience. He needs Galway to go on a run through the qualifiers and make an All-Ireland quarter-final, he needs to come up against good defenders from different counties and get the better of them.

He needs plenty of games for Galway rather than for Corofin so that when he meets Lee Keegan next year, he will be able to give him a better, fuller challenge.

Darragh O'Se wrote this in 2015 about Micheal Lundy of Corofin, We are getting carried away here men

While the above is a very good point. I don't think anyone is getting carried away about the kilcoo players. The fact is a lot of the kilcoo players are better than what Down currently have. That doesn't mean Down will be world beaters but they need to start getting the best 15 in the county on the pitch. Down have no settled side, haven't for years. It's not as if bringing 6 or 7 players in that play regular with each other is going to upset the flow of the Down team. You could play the entire Kilcoo fwds and they would have given Derry a lot more trouble that what was there in sat night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 01, 2022, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: BigRipper89 on February 01, 2022, 10:15:04 AM
Truth Hurts makes some very good points. Think people under estimate the step up to county football from club. Now thats not to say that a big handful of lads from kilcoo would be fit to make the panel. But its just not as easy to slot them straight in to downs starting 15. Niall and Adain Brannigan played in 2012 also and didnt get much game time so think thats why they choose not to commit as alot older now. Now Mc Evoy, Dabs, Jonstones, PD, Ward and Doc more than capable of playing at that level but would be in competition for starting places not certain of them. Forwards like Kerr, B.o Hagan, Corey Quinn all be of that level. Rooney cracking club player and would like to see him get a run for down this year and Mc Evoy/ Mc Elroy be great competition for each other.


On another note, any word of whats happening with the leauges. Surely it wont be 3 16 leauge teams with 6 going down at the end of the year as suggested. This would be such a waste of a year for some club teams

I am just out of breakfast in Railway street, I spoke with a former East Down board member who would still have his finger on the pulse.
Div 1 will have the Stone, Glenn, the Kingdom and Darragh Cross added to it and one round of fixtures will be played. THE CCC cannot fit 22 games into the calendar before the championship.
I will get to speak to a few more people today and gauge the mood of clubs within Down. Div one beckons for Darragh Cross for the first time in their history.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on February 01, 2022, 10:35:46 AM
Fairly true Truth Hurts. However Down aren't competing with the Mayo's etc, they are fighting for survival in Division 2. 3-4 Kilcoo players walk on to that team that played Derry on Saturday night and 7-8 walk onto the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 01, 2022, 11:26:05 AM
Quote from: toby47 on February 01, 2022, 10:35:46 AM
Fairly true Truth Hurts. However Down aren't competing with the Mayo's etc, they are fighting for survival in Division 2. 3-4 Kilcoo players walk on to that team that played Derry on Saturday night and 7-8 walk onto the panel.

I agree with you but what I am trying to say is that Down football is strong. Look at Kilcoos games in the championship, Mayobridge, Clonduff, Carryduff, Ballyholland and Burren, every one of those games went into the last few minutes where Kilcoos experience took them over the line.
We got fecked over when the backbenchers of the county board delegates ousted Tally and left the county executive to pick up the pieces to try and find a manager. Thankfully we have James in charge now but I believe Tally was not given a chance to build for the future. We have a culture in Down to get rid of the senior manager without getting to the root cause of the main issues in the county. I don't like going over things but the vote to oust Tally was not right and the clubs who supported it were wrong. This was done on a whim at a meeting and delegates then voted on it without consulting their club committees. It should never have happened and it would not have happened in another county and should not be allowed to happen again. The county board club delegates should have a voice but not that much power. There is nothing to stop at the next meeting that a delegate can propose a no confidence in any managers, get the required vote, and the circus will start again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 01, 2022, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 01, 2022, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: BigRipper89 on February 01, 2022, 10:15:04 AM
Truth Hurts makes some very good points. Think people under estimate the step up to county football from club. Now thats not to say that a big handful of lads from kilcoo would be fit to make the panel. But its just not as easy to slot them straight in to downs starting 15. Niall and Adain Brannigan played in 2012 also and didnt get much game time so think thats why they choose not to commit as alot older now. Now Mc Evoy, Dabs, Jonstones, PD, Ward and Doc more than capable of playing at that level but would be in competition for starting places not certain of them. Forwards like Kerr, B.o Hagan, Corey Quinn all be of that level. Rooney cracking club player and would like to see him get a run for down this year and Mc Evoy/ Mc Elroy be great competition for each other.


On another note, any word of whats happening with the leauges. Surely it wont be 3 16 leauge teams with 6 going down at the end of the year as suggested. This would be such a waste of a year for some club teams

I am just out of breakfast in Railway street, I spoke with a former East Down board member who would still have his finger on the pulse.
Div 1 will have the Stone, Glenn, the Kingdom and Darragh Cross added to it and one round of fixtures will be played. THE CCC cannot fit 22 games into the calendar before the championship.
I will get to speak to a few more people today and gauge the mood of clubs within Down. Div one beckons for Darragh Cross for the first time in their history.

I've heard variations of this proposal doing the rounds.

Let's say it is put to vote, and let's assume that D2 would have some form of promotion in 2022.

What people would be voting for is that 2023 would see a 10 team D1 in which 1 of the clubs would be the 17th ranked team in the county, and one of the clubs might be the 18th ranked team in the county. They'd be annihilated week in, week out. And without relegation  fears the other 8 clubs would dead rubber half the season.

Anyone voting through such a proposal should be immediately barred from ever having a vote on Down football again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 01, 2022, 12:02:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 01, 2022, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 01, 2022, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: BigRipper89 on February 01, 2022, 10:15:04 AM
Truth Hurts makes some very good points. Think people under estimate the step up to county football from club. Now thats not to say that a big handful of lads from kilcoo would be fit to make the panel. But its just not as easy to slot them straight in to downs starting 15. Niall and Adain Brannigan played in 2012 also and didnt get much game time so think thats why they choose not to commit as alot older now. Now Mc Evoy, Dabs, Jonstones, PD, Ward and Doc more than capable of playing at that level but would be in competition for starting places not certain of them. Forwards like Kerr, B.o Hagan, Corey Quinn all be of that level. Rooney cracking club player and would like to see him get a run for down this year and Mc Evoy/ Mc Elroy be great competition for each other.


On another note, any word of whats happening with the leauges. Surely it wont be 3 16 leauge teams with 6 going down at the end of the year as suggested. This would be such a waste of a year for some club teams

I am just out of breakfast in Railway street, I spoke with a former East Down board member who would still have his finger on the pulse.
Div 1 will have the Stone, Glenn, the Kingdom and Darragh Cross added to it and one round of fixtures will be played. THE CCC cannot fit 22 games into the calendar before the championship.
I will get to speak to a few more people today and gauge the mood of clubs within Down. Div one beckons for Darragh Cross for the first time in their history.

I've heard variations of this proposal doing the rounds.

Let's say it is put to vote, and let's assume that D2 would have some form of promotion in 2022.

What people would be voting for is that 2023 would see a 10 team D1 in which 1 of the clubs would be the 17th ranked team in the county, and one of the clubs might be the 18th ranked team in the county. They'd be annihilated week in, week out. And without relegation  fears the other 8 clubs would dead rubber half the season.

Anyone voting through such a proposal should be immediately barred from ever having a vote on Down football again.

I do not see why the leagues cannot be started in mid March and have a few double weeks but i am sure hurling is a problem. In division one Warrenpint, Clonduff, Mayobridge , Burren, Kilcoo,Bryansford, RGU and Castlewellan all have adequate floodlighting which could help matters. But a few Sat or sun games in March would be fine.

BUT the u19 comp is due to be starting then which will no doubt be an issue. Because of the crap u19 competition that was held last year, there is going to be a greater emphasis to get this properly run of this season so you could not have an u19 and senior game on the same day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 01, 2022, 12:39:02 PM
If senior football league is being held up to facilitate an u19 competition that will inevitably be a shitshow for most clubs, then that's properly are about face stuff.

The biggest problem with playing fixtures in March is that it increases the chance of postponements due to weather. Which is okay if there's wiggle room in the calendar, but it's a giant f**king headache when there isn't.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on February 01, 2022, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 01, 2022, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 01, 2022, 10:35:19 AM
Quote from: BigRipper89 on February 01, 2022, 10:15:04 AM
Truth Hurts makes some very good points. Think people under estimate the step up to county football from club. Now thats not to say that a big handful of lads from kilcoo would be fit to make the panel. But its just not as easy to slot them straight in to downs starting 15. Niall and Adain Brannigan played in 2012 also and didnt get much game time so think thats why they choose not to commit as alot older now. Now Mc Evoy, Dabs, Jonstones, PD, Ward and Doc more than capable of playing at that level but would be in competition for starting places not certain of them. Forwards like Kerr, B.o Hagan, Corey Quinn all be of that level. Rooney cracking club player and would like to see him get a run for down this year and Mc Evoy/ Mc Elroy be great competition for each other.


On another note, any word of whats happening with the leauges. Surely it wont be 3 16 leauge teams with 6 going down at the end of the year as suggested. This would be such a waste of a year for some club teams

I am just out of breakfast in Railway street, I spoke with a former East Down board member who would still have his finger on the pulse.
Div 1 will have the Stone, Glenn, the Kingdom and Darragh Cross added to it and one round of fixtures will be played. THE CCC cannot fit 22 games into the calendar before the championship.
I will get to speak to a few more people today and gauge the mood of clubs within Down. Div one beckons for Darragh Cross for the first time in their history.

I've heard variations of this proposal doing the rounds.

Let's say it is put to vote, and let's assume that D2 would have some form of promotion in 2022.

What people would be voting for is that 2023 would see a 10 team D1 in which 1 of the clubs would be the 17th ranked team in the county, and one of the clubs might be the 18th ranked team in the county. They'd be annihilated week in, week out. And without relegation  fears the other 8 clubs would dead rubber half the season.

Anyone voting through such a proposal should be immediately barred from ever having a vote on Down football again.

Did that, or something similar, not happen in 2016 or 2017? I think it was Ballymartin that got out of Div 2 when there was 4 relegated from Div 1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yewtree on February 01, 2022, 01:22:06 PM
Down v Monaghan Ulster SFC

Smyth

Collins
McArdle
Aaron Brannigan

D Brannigan
McParland
D O'Hagan

Murdock
Mooney

B O'Hagan
J Johnston
McGovern

Shea McCartan
Kerr
Ryan Johnston

This is the team that Down are hoping to put out in Championship.
Already there has been talk to try and get the money together to buy out the soccer contracts and wages.
Lots of talk about scholarships and other ways to compensate the players if this can be done within GAA rules.
At the minute QUB GAA have scholarships but talk is they don't want to offer any more scholarships if players aren't playing for club and counties .Mc Govern has GAA scholarship there for this year, be great if QUB, Harps and Down could facilitate.
The Shea McCartan situation could be harder with Glens.
It would be some addition to Down if this can happen.Lots of potential benefactors out there to get this over the line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 01, 2022, 01:40:50 PM

CCC Proposal

The CCC proposal is that in 2022 we would have Three Divisions in Down, Division One would have 16 Teams, Division Two 18 Teams and Division Three Nine Teams. This would be for one season only and would provide us with a mechanism to reach a solution in 2023 where we would have Division One with 10 Teams, Division Two with 10 Teams, Division Three with 10 Teams and Division 4A and 4B to be made up of potentially 7 teams each or if additional teams were to be admitted we could have 10 teams in each.

Benefits

· Division One would have 15 games, Division Two 17 Games and Division Three 16 games.

· Flexibility in the Calendar if postponements were needed.

· County Players and Successful Clubs would not then have a huge burden of Club Fixtures.

· Better Schedule for players and Clubs, in each month there is a free week including July.

· All Matters are then resolved for 2023, when normal Home and Away structures would return, and teams would have 18 League Games.

· Top Nine Teams in Division One at end of 2022 constitute new Division One in 2023.

· 10th Team in Division One at end of 2022 plays the Top placed Team in Division Two at end of 2022 to decide final spot in Division One for 2023.

· Top Team in Division One wins the League.

· Bottom Six Teams in Division One at end of 2022 plus Top Three Teams in Division Two at end of 2022 and loser of the Play Off Game (Above) make up new Division Two in 2023

· Next Ten Teams in Division Two Make up New Division Three for 2023

· Remaining Four Teams in Division Two plus Top Three Teams in Division Three make up Division Four A in 2023

· Remaining Six Teams in Division Three Make up Division 4B in 2023
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 01, 2022, 02:57:50 PM
What are everyone's views on the proposals? Do you think clubs will accept them or will they have a choice? There is no other proposal on the table.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on February 01, 2022, 03:01:36 PM
Two options and a CCC Proposal have been received by all clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 01, 2022, 04:16:08 PM
apologies I have more text now.
What are peoples opinions on the 3 options, it's a tough one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 01, 2022, 04:32:06 PM
The worst one is the CCC proposal as all it would do is hammer home the gap in standards between the divisions. A 16 team D1 is a horrible thought, and an 18 team D2 worse again. Top v bottom clashes would be like the Rugby World Cup group stages.

League football will never be as important as Championship. But it has a serious USP in that it is evenly-matched, competitive football. If we take that away, we take everything away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on February 01, 2022, 05:40:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 01, 2022, 04:32:06 PM
The worst one is the CCC proposal as all it would do is hammer home the gap in standards between the divisions. A 16 team D1 is a horrible thought, and an 18 team D2 worse again. Top v bottom clashes would be like the Rugby World Cup group stages.

League football will never be as important as Championship. But it has a serious USP in that it is evenly-matched, competitive football. If we take that away, we take everything away.

I wouldn't  be in favour of the CCC proposal but reading the problems with the first two options I can't see a better way to get back to ten team leagues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 01, 2022, 06:11:42 PM
 Another option would be to change the Championship for one year only to straight knock-out and allow for the extra games in the League.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 01, 2022, 06:36:41 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 01, 2022, 06:11:42 PM
Another option would be to change the Championship for one year only to straight knock-out and allow for the extra games in the League.

Straight knockout cship would be absolutely shit.. possibility of one or two big games in early rounds but most would be mismatches and the lesser teams learn feck all getting tanked by Burren/Kilcoo/Clonduff/CPN..
our Championship is quality at the minute and generally the top 6 teams get to the quarter final and the other 2 are teams on form at that time..

A bigger issue here could be running an u19 competition when the county u20 are preparing for their championship. Will clubs field without their county players - I wouldn't think so..
whatever way the leagues are worked this year is irrelevant as it's not going to be competitive until we are back to ten team formations in each league. So proposal A or B or whatever they are called can run away. The top 8 clubs in down will be in division 1 in 2023 and A N Other x2. Then the leagues will tighten up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on February 01, 2022, 07:20:33 PM
What is the rush to get back to 10 teams per division???
We currently have 43 teams in the county and if Ballykinlar return it will be 44.
Is there anything wrong with have 4 x 11 team divisions with the odd team getting a bye each week?
Forget about taking a break in July and play twice a week if required.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 01, 2022, 07:59:27 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on February 01, 2022, 07:20:33 PM
What is the rush to get back to 10 teams per division???
We currently have 43 teams in the county and if Ballykinlar return it will be 44.
Is there anything wrong with have 4 x 11 team divisions with the odd team getting a bye each week?
Forget about taking a break in July and play twice a week if required.

You can't go changing league structures every 5 minutes. The leagues were set to 10 teams a few years ago and the only reason we have this situation is due to Covid. As with everything in the world, completely out of the ordinary and may take something uncomfortable or extraordinary to resolve the issue. Never going to suit everyone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on February 01, 2022, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 01, 2022, 07:59:27 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on February 01, 2022, 07:20:33 PM
What is the rush to get back to 10 teams per division???
We currently have 43 teams in the county and if Ballykinlar return it will be 44.
Is there anything wrong with have 4 x 11 team divisions with the odd team getting a bye each week?
Forget about taking a break in July and play twice a week if required.

You can't go changing league structures every 5 minutes. The leagues were set to 10 teams a few years ago and the only reason we have this situation is due to Covid. As with everything in the world, completely out of the ordinary and may take something uncomfortable or extraordinary to resolve the issue. Never going to suit everyone.

It was just a question! Keep your hair on!  ::)
Seems like the Down leagues have been chopped and changed plenty over the years and now the idea of a Div 4a and 4b would appear to be a back handed attempt to shoehorn Premier Reserve teams into the ACFL.  >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 01, 2022, 09:13:46 PM
I'm a little gobsmacked that after two years of watching non-competitive D1 football, that anyone would want to see this continue for another season.

I mean is it more important to say "we are in division one" or to actually play and watch genuine division one football.

Give me the latter any day.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: east down gael on February 01, 2022, 09:29:13 PM
I think everyone agrees that ten teams in divisions one and two is the ideal. But how do you get there for the start of the 2023 season? Playing home and away this year isn't feasible. One set of fixtures is too little games,so they've come up with this plan.for one year only.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on February 01, 2022, 10:13:53 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 01, 2022, 09:13:46 PM
I'm a little gobsmacked that after two years of watching non-competitive D1 football, that anyone would want to see this continue for another season.

I mean is it more important to say "we are in division one" or to actually play and watch genuine division one football.

Give me the latter any day.
100% agree - competitive football is all we want.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 01, 2022, 10:40:27 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on February 01, 2022, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 01, 2022, 07:59:27 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on February 01, 2022, 07:20:33 PM
What is the rush to get back to 10 teams per division???
We currently have 43 teams in the county and if Ballykinlar return it will be 44.
Is there anything wrong with have 4 x 11 team divisions with the odd team getting a bye each week?
Forget about taking a break in July and play twice a week if required.

You can't go changing league structures every 5 minutes. The leagues were set to 10 teams a few years ago and the only reason we have this situation is due to Covid. As with everything in the world, completely out of the ordinary and may take something uncomfortable or extraordinary to resolve the issue. Never going to suit everyone.

It was just a question! Keep your hair on!  ::)
Seems like the Down leagues have been chopped and changed plenty over the years and now the idea of a Div 4a and 4b would appear to be a back handed attempt to shoehorn Premier Reserve teams into the ACFL.  >:(

And I was just replying to the question, which had 3 question marks suggesting bemusement! So now you have the context.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on February 01, 2022, 10:54:23 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 01, 2022, 10:40:27 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on February 01, 2022, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 01, 2022, 07:59:27 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on February 01, 2022, 07:20:33 PM
What is the rush to get back to 10 teams per division???
We currently have 43 teams in the county and if Ballykinlar return it will be 44.
Is there anything wrong with have 4 x 11 team divisions with the odd team getting a bye each week?
Forget about taking a break in July and play twice a week if required.

You can't go changing league structures every 5 minutes. The leagues were set to 10 teams a few years ago and the only reason we have this situation is due to Covid. As with everything in the world, completely out of the ordinary and may take something uncomfortable or extraordinary to resolve the issue. Never going to suit everyone.

It was just a question! Keep your hair on!  ::)
Seems like the Down leagues have been chopped and changed plenty over the years and now the idea of a Div 4a and 4b would appear to be a back handed attempt to shoehorn Premier Reserve teams into the ACFL.  >:(

And I was just replying to the question, which had 3 question marks suggesting bemusement! So now you have the context.

Any answer to the question asking if there is anything wrong with 4 divisions of 11 teams in 2023?
Does it really have to be something extraordinary and uncomfortable in order to get the 10 team divisions or would a phased return be best?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 02, 2022, 08:50:03 AM
There'll be some mismatches in Divs 1&2 and it'll end with lots of walkovers and not fielding towards the end of the leagues which will be disheartening to Clubs when they'd usually be rarin to go for their respective Championships.Any Leagues should have a winner and be rightly promoted to the next Div up.The CCC proposal is trying to do what on effect is a two year process in one year and is flawed in that it is wrongly lifting teams from lower Divs and putting them in a level of football that is beyond them and it will lead to maulings.Covid is/was an awful situation and the County did right by not having any relegation but they need to work this out over two years for the benefit of everyone .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 02, 2022, 09:12:52 AM
I do think a phased approach to 10 items is the best approach.
I understand what people are saying about the mismatches but at a closer look at the scenarios and the calendar, I believe the CCC proposal is the best option. By no means is it perfect but it is the best of the 3. I do not envy the executive as every club is out for their own but in the grand scheme of things, it is the fairest for all concerned. There will be a great buzz around Darragh in welcoming the big clubs to Town and it will be great for the GAA in that part of the county which is really starting to bear fruit.
We are 5/1 on Saturday, I expect a big performance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 02, 2022, 09:34:48 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 02, 2022, 09:12:52 AM
I do think a phased approach to 10 items is the best approach.
I understand what people are saying about the mismatches but at a closer look at the scenarios and the calendar, I believe the CCC proposal is the best option. By no means is it perfect but it is the best of the 3. I do not envy the executive as every club is out for their own but in the grand scheme of things, it is the fairest for all concerned. There will be a great buzz around Darragh in welcoming the big clubs to Town and it will be great for the GAA in that part of the county which is really starting to bear fruit.
We are 5/1 on Saturday, I expect a big performance.
And what price would DC be when the big Clubs come to town? 5-1???Why would you expect a big performance on Sat night? Were you at last Sat's game or watched it even?What will change from the last performance to your optimism for next match?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 02, 2022, 09:36:11 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 01, 2022, 06:36:41 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 01, 2022, 06:11:42 PM
Another option would be to change the Championship for one year only to straight knock-out and allow for the extra games in the League.

Straight knockout cship would be absolutely shit.. possibility of one or two big games in early rounds but most would be mismatches and the lesser teams learn feck all getting tanked by Burren/Kilcoo/Clonduff/CPN..
our Championship is quality at the minute and generally the top 6 teams get to the quarter final and the other 2 are teams on form at that time..

A bigger issue here could be running an u19 competition when the county u20 are preparing for their championship. Will clubs field without their county players - I wouldn't think so..
whatever way the leagues are worked this year is irrelevant as it's not going to be competitive until we are back to ten team formations in each league. So proposal A or B or whatever they are called can run away. The top 8 clubs in down will be in division 1 in 2023 and A N Other x2. Then the leagues will tighten up.

It's brilliant in Tyrone, might give rise to an upset or two which for a year would be refreshing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 02, 2022, 10:05:14 AM
and so what if a big team goes out in the first round, do they have some sort of divine right to get two bites of the cherry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 02, 2022, 10:08:07 AM
The straight knock out in the championship would be good but there is too much money to be made at championship games and the county needs this all.

I just think we will get a kick this weekend and we will get more pace into the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 02, 2022, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 02, 2022, 10:08:07 AM
The straight knock out in the championship would be good but there is too much money to be made at championship games and the county needs this all.

I just think we will get a kick this weekend and we will get more pace into the team.
Clubs in Div's 1&2 are going to lose money in the CCC's proposal as they'll have less home fixtures and even then some of these will be mismatches which will
have no attraction for people to attend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BigRipper89 on February 02, 2022, 12:23:54 PM
I understand the need to even the Divisions. But your writing off complete seasons for some of the teams being thrown up into divison 1 and 2. Then having 6 teams relegated from the division. So a Mid table division 2 team now has to play all the best teams in the county and hope to finish above the majorty to survive. I see alot of teams being depleted after a few hammerings and games not being run near end of the season. I personally wouldn fancy CPN/burren/kilcoo away playing for one of them teams.

Whats the thoughts for saturday. Hope we get a good crowd down to it and give them a go from the start. Tough start but even a performance to give us some hope later in the leauge. Possibliy the last game without the Kilcoo boys, but i would imagine there will be a few weeks celebrating and rest after the final- a well deserved one at that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 02, 2022, 12:31:00 PM
Hot of the press
Kilcoo is appealing the sending off on Saturday and a delegation of high-ranking club officials will be in headquarters this weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 02, 2022, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 02, 2022, 12:31:00 PM
Hot of the press
Kilcoo is appealing the sending off on Saturday and a delegation of high-ranking club officials will be in headquarters this weekend.

It's a shame for choc that he's missing, but it'll be yet another absolute stain on the GAA's disciplinary processes if an appeal is successful.

For if smacking a man in the jaw on national tv doesn't deserve a suspension, then we should just get rid of suspensions completely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 02, 2022, 12:58:02 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 02, 2022, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 02, 2022, 12:31:00 PM
Hot of the press
Kilcoo is appealing the sending off on Saturday and a delegation of high-ranking club officials will be in headquarters this weekend.

It's a shame for choc that he's missing, but it'll be yet another absolute stain on the GAA's disciplinary processes if an appeal is successful.

For if smacking a man in the jaw on national tv doesn't deserve a suspension, then we should just get rid of suspensions completely.

He's only got one person to blame!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 02, 2022, 01:19:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 02, 2022, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 02, 2022, 12:31:00 PM
Hot of the press
Kilcoo is appealing the sending off on Saturday and a delegation of high-ranking club officials will be in headquarters this weekend.

It's a shame for choc that he's missing, but it'll be yet another absolute stain on the GAA's disciplinary processes if an appeal is successful.

For if smacking a man in the jaw on national tv doesn't deserve a suspension, then we should just get rid of suspensions completely.

It was not a smack in the jaw, it was a shoulder and as deets said the Barrs man was goading PD  when he was ready to hit the free which Choc did not approve of so he shouldered him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on February 02, 2022, 02:03:22 PM
I've always liked our structure of 4 ACFL Divisions. We've a very strong league product in Down and this has been the case for quite some time now. Our Friday night programme of games have been the envy of other counties. We have always had a steady stream of fixtures laid out which has led to a meaningful competition with credibility.

We obviously need to get back to our structure for 2023. But looking at the 16 team Division 1 and the 18 team Division 2 that is proposed for 2022, I can only forsee a raft of mismatched games that will end in trouncings aligned to a lot of non fielding as we move into the final third of the season.

We operated the 3 ACFL Division model from 2013 to around 2015 and it highlighted big gaps in quality across a 16 team division. I've always liked the idea of something along the lines of 5 ACFL's, 1 - 5. Circa 8 teams in each with a few more in Division 5. Would give home and away fixtures (at least 14) with an additional playoff based system on top of that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on February 02, 2022, 02:39:40 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 02, 2022, 01:19:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 02, 2022, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 02, 2022, 12:31:00 PM
Hot of the press
Kilcoo is appealing the sending off on Saturday and a delegation of high-ranking club officials will be in headquarters this weekend.

It's a shame for choc that he's missing, but it'll be yet another absolute stain on the GAA's disciplinary processes if an appeal is successful.

For if smacking a man in the jaw on national tv doesn't deserve a suspension, then we should just get rid of suspensions completely.

It was not a smack in the jaw, it was a shoulder and as deets said the Barrs man was goading PD  when he was ready to hit the free which Choc did not approve of so he shouldered him.
From what I could see it was a shoulder to the chest that warranted a yellow. Linesman who was consulted by the ref could not have had a clear view
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 02, 2022, 03:28:59 PM
I saw different but I'm happy to admit I'm wrong if it's the case.

Interesting that tg4's highlights of the game include that the free was called back and thrown up, but doesn't show the actual incident.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 02, 2022, 04:04:05 PM
There is a whatts app of the incident doing the rounds, it was a yellow card offence and no more than that. David Gough the linesman has a tendancy to seek the limelight in my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 02, 2022, 04:36:53 PM
I have been one to call out Kilcoos antics in appealing things over the years especially the minor final a few years ago which was sickening, also appealed big Greenan's suspension from this year final when he was running around after Ballyholland lads like Captain America but I do not think Choc warrants a suspension. Absolute stupidity in his part for getting involved with the Barrs man but I do not think he should miss the final.

Down fanatic, would you be favour of a few reserve sides entering division 4?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 02, 2022, 06:46:10 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 02, 2022, 01:19:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 02, 2022, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 02, 2022, 12:31:00 PM
Hot of the press
Kilcoo is appealing the sending off on Saturday and a delegation of high-ranking club officials will be in headquarters this weekend.

It's a shame for choc that he's missing, but it'll be yet another absolute stain on the GAA's disciplinary processes if an appeal is successful.

For if smacking a man in the jaw on national tv doesn't deserve a suspension, then we should just get rid of suspensions completely.

It was not a smack in the jaw, it was a shoulder and as deets said the Barrs man was goading PD  when he was ready to hit the free which Choc did not approve of so he shouldered him.

Which he had no need to do, and years of acting the big lad and getting away with it have led him to believe he could do that again. Stupidity of that level should be punished.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 02, 2022, 08:48:23 PM
Tg4 showed the incident. Choc shouldered the Barrs player. 100% he will get that overturned and rightly so. Co Board proposals for leagues will likely go though and will mean a lot of meaningless games half way into it.
Fear for our boys with Galway coming to town on sat night!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2022, 10:35:47 PM


It was not a smack in the jaw, it was a shoulder and as deets said the Barrs man was goading PD  when he was ready to hit the free which Choc did not approve of so he shouldered him.
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Goading a man ready to hit a free kick and Choc did not approve... Are you shitting me?? It was Kilcoo that started that shite in our county shouting and roaring when men are standing over a free and 3,4,5 men in close proximity to the kicker shouting like they are trying to organise men around them.. Didn't approve - don't make me laugh. Got taste of his own medicine. Red card is a red card - it should stand. But I still expect them to beat Crokes by 6+ points without him..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on February 02, 2022, 11:05:44 PM
Is there promotion from 2 to 1 and 3 to 2 under the proposed new leagues? Or just relegation the other way?

It'll be another year where a lot of clubs aren't taking the league serious
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on February 03, 2022, 01:02:08 AM
Do you think for one minute that Kilcoo don't take the league seriously? They blood the young lads in the league and that is why they are in the All Ireland final next week. Other teams need to follow their lead if they want to be successful. I wish my own club would.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 03, 2022, 08:42:42 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2022, 10:35:47 PM


It was not a smack in the jaw, it was a shoulder and as deets said the Barrs man was goading PD  when he was ready to hit the free which Choc did not approve of so he shouldered him.

Goading a man ready to hit a free kick and Choc did not approve... Are you shitting me?? It was Kilcoo that started that shite in our county shouting and roaring when men are standing over a free and 3,4,5 men in close proximity to the kicker shouting like they are trying to organise men around them.. Didn't approve - don't make me laugh. Got taste of his own medicine. Red card is a red card - it should stand. But I still expect them to beat Crokes by 6+ points without him..
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LOL Say it how it is then  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 03, 2022, 10:05:40 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2022, 10:35:47 PM


It was not a smack in the jaw, it was a shoulder and as deets said the Barrs man was goading PD  when he was ready to hit the free which Choc did not approve of so he shouldered him.

Goading a man ready to hit a free kick and Choc did not approve... Are you shitting me?? It was Kilcoo that started that shite in our county shouting and roaring when men are standing over a free and 3,4,5 men in close proximity to the kicker shouting like they are trying to organise men around them.. Didn't approve - don't make me laugh. Got taste of his own medicine. Red card is a red card - it should stand. But I still expect them to beat Crokes by 6+ points without him..
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Exactly, it's almost like some people are trying to paint him as a virtuous warrior who was standing up for sportsmanship. Acted outside of the rules, completely unnecessarily, against something his own club has been known for. Though maybe Moran has put the lid on that to a certain extent and increased the focus on their own game, and low and behold he got them to two all Ireland finals.... Wouldn't it be great for Down to have the senior club champions, even though I'm sure not everyone in the county would be a fan given past antics and reputations, it would surely motivate others to reach new levels in an attempt to beat them this year. I mean, there is no bigger scalp to claim in club football than knocking out the all Ireland champions in our championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 03, 2022, 10:59:24 AM
There should only be junior bs in div 4 a and 4 b
The bigger clubs premier reserves shud be nowhere near the ACFl
Their thirds maybe

Ccc proposal is a disastrous quick fix. Wouldn't be in favour of it at all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 03, 2022, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 03, 2022, 08:42:42 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2022, 10:35:47 PM


It was not a smack in the jaw, it was a shoulder and as deets said the Barrs man was goading PD  when he was ready to hit the free which Choc did not approve of so he shouldered him.

Goading a man ready to hit a free kick and Choc did not approve... Are you shitting me?? It was Kilcoo that started that shite in our county shouting and roaring when men are standing over a free and 3,4,5 men in close proximity to the kicker shouting like they are trying to organise men around them.. Didn't approve - don't make me laugh. Got taste of his own medicine. Red card is a red card - it should stand. But I still expect them to beat Crokes by 6+ points without him..

LOL Say it how it is then  ;D
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When goading began ref should have stopped PD and advanced the ball 13 m. Not allowed to distract a free taker under the newly introduced rule in 2021
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 03, 2022, 11:09:16 AM
He penalised Kilcoo for the very same thing about ten mins before the end of the game. The Barrs free kicker seemed to loose his footing as he struck the ball, the ball hit the upright and went out of play, but the ref moved the ball up for someone shouting at the free taker.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 03, 2022, 11:30:14 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 03, 2022, 10:59:24 AM
There should only be junior bs in div 4 a and 4 b
The bigger clubs premier reserves shud be nowhere near the ACFl
Their thirds maybe

Ccc proposal is a disastrous quick fix. Wouldn't be in favour of it at all

If you took the top 25 out of the big clubs then you have left with a sprinkling of seconds and mostly thirds players as the games would take place at the same time.

I reckon that only Burren, Kilcoo, Mayobridge, Clonduff, and Carryduff would have the strength to do this. I am not even sure if they would have the appetite for it bar Burren who are losing more players than they are keeping by all accounts. Those named clubs' thirds team would compete well in division 4.

The county board should try to encourage more teams into the senior championship with amalgamations from div 3 and 4 clubs only

Lecale
Mourne
Iveagh lower
Iveagh upper

could people see this work? it was never given the right opportunity years ago
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on February 03, 2022, 01:54:38 PM
Has anyone ever looked into the fact that half the Kilcoo team aren't suffering from long term head injuries?

Re-watched the match over, 4 times they went down clutching their face when not touched.

Harps back to OHanlon doing the same against Cross few years back. Scored a free. Goaded cross player, shouldered then dived and rolled all over the ground.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clubman21 on February 03, 2022, 01:56:59 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on February 03, 2022, 01:54:38 PM
Has anyone ever looked into the fact that half the Kilcoo team aren't suffering from long term head injuries?

Re-watched the match over, 4 times they went down clutching their face when not touched.

Harps back to OHanlon doing the same against Cross few years back. Scored a free. Goaded cross player, shouldered then dived and rolled all over the ground.
Not doing anything anyone else isnt, what about the barrs man that scored the goal...just give them the credit they deserve.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on February 03, 2022, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 03, 2022, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 03, 2022, 08:42:42 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2022, 10:35:47 PM


It was not a smack in the jaw, it was a shoulder and as deets said the Barrs man was goading PD  when he was ready to hit the free which Choc did not approve of so he shouldered him.

Goading a man ready to hit a free kick and Choc did not approve... Are you shitting me?? It was Kilcoo that started that shite in our county shouting and roaring when men are standing over a free and 3,4,5 men in close proximity to the kicker shouting like they are trying to organise men around them.. Didn't approve - don't make me laugh. Got taste of his own medicine. Red card is a red card - it should stand. But I still expect them to beat Crokes by 6+ points without him..

LOL Say it how it is then  ;D

When goading began ref should have stopped PD and advanced the ball 13 m. Not allowed to distract a free taker under the newly introduced rule in 2021
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Did anyone notice how Choc reacted (or rather didn't react) to red card ? Not one bit of protest. Have to give him some credit for that considering all the circumstances ie incorrect call and last kick of an AI semi final. I don't believe any of the other Kilcoo players protested either but stand to be corrected on that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 03, 2022, 04:30:41 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on February 03, 2022, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on February 03, 2022, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 03, 2022, 08:42:42 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2022, 10:35:47 PM


It was not a smack in the jaw, it was a shoulder and as deets said the Barrs man was goading PD  when he was ready to hit the free which Choc did not approve of so he shouldered him.

Goading a man ready to hit a free kick and Choc did not approve... Are you shitting me?? It was Kilcoo that started that shite in our county shouting and roaring when men are standing over a free and 3,4,5 men in close proximity to the kicker shouting like they are trying to organise men around them.. Didn't approve - don't make me laugh. Got taste of his own medicine. Red card is a red card - it should stand. But I still expect them to beat Crokes by 6+ points without him..

LOL Say it how it is then  ;D

When goading began ref should have stopped PD and advanced the ball 13 m. Not allowed to distract a free taker under the newly introduced rule in 2021
Did anyone notice how Choc reacted (or rather didn't react) to red card ? Not one bit of protest. Have to give him some credit for that considering all the circumstances ie incorrect call and last kick of an AI semi final. I don't believe any of the other Kilcoo players protested either but stand to be corrected on that
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Sorry but no credit should be given for a man not reacting for being punished for doing something completely daft and outside of the rules.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: full moon on February 03, 2022, 06:19:29 PM
Down are 11/2 to win Saturday. Fairly massive price at home, are Galway that good and Down that poor?

Not a Down man but I'm not convinced they're that much of an underdog at home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on February 03, 2022, 06:38:46 PM
Why not put all the jealousy aside for the next 10 days and wish Kilcoo good luck. Would it not be a big lift to Down football if there was an All Ireland title in the county?
Whatever you think of them you have to agree they are some outfit and we would all like our club to be in their position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 03, 2022, 08:19:34 PM
Quote from: full moon on February 03, 2022, 06:19:29 PM
Down are 11/2 to win Saturday. Fairly massive price at home, are Galway that good and Down that poor?

Not a Down man but I'm not convinced they're that much of an underdog at home.
We were 5-1 last weekend and the Bookies like most of us know the Form.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 04, 2022, 07:56:52 AM
Aiden Brannigans red card overturned and he's free to play in final. Correct decision.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on February 04, 2022, 08:12:32 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 04, 2022, 07:56:52 AM
Aiden Brannigans red card overturned and he's free to play in final. Correct decision.

I agree
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 04, 2022, 11:35:49 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on February 03, 2022, 06:38:46 PM
Why not put all the jealousy aside for the next 10 days and wish Kilcoo good luck. Would it not be a big lift to Down football if there was an All Ireland title in the county?
Whatever you think of them you have to agree they are some outfit and we would all like our club to be in their position.

I don't think it's jealousy that some people do not support Kilcoo, it's been certain incidents over the years which have rubbed people up the wrong way.

I will be fully behind my East Down counterparts. Good to see Choc getting off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 04, 2022, 01:33:13 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 04, 2022, 07:56:52 AM
Aiden Brannigans red card overturned and he's free to play in final. Correct decision.

Farcical decision.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BigRipper89 on February 04, 2022, 01:48:32 PM
I dont think it will be the winning or losing of the game in honesty.  To miss a All ireland final with your club, you would want to be certain it was a strike or red card offense. Im assuming there has been a video footage review and the decision made. Best of luck to them.

Whats the chances tomorrow then? any team news? wet and windy day forecast, might help to hinder Galway.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 04, 2022, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: BigRipper89 on February 04, 2022, 01:48:32 PM
I dont think it will be the winning or losing of the game in honesty.  To miss a All ireland final with your club, you would want to be certain it was a strike or red card offense. Im assuming there has been a video footage review and the decision made. Best of luck to them.

Whats the chances tomorrow then? any team news? wet and windy day forecast, might help to hinder Galway.

It won't impact the result, but still would be great if the GAA grew a set with all the successful appeals.

Team news is out:

McMahon

Fegan
McElroy
Collins

McCormack
McParland
D O'Hagan

Doherty
Murdock

Mooney
Kerr
McCartan

B O'Hagan
McKernan
Gilmore

It'll be a serious task but hopefully see improvement and a decent performance, as that's all we can ask at this stage of the new regime and with players gaining experience.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 04, 2022, 02:21:35 PM
Glad too see Gilmore kept his place - Would have O'Hagan at 6 as don't think he's the legs he once had. Disappointed to see McKernan in the side, clearly playing sweeper but don't think he's up to the pace of the Inter County game anymore, maybe someone to bring on to steady the ship later in the game but don't see how he merits starting given current form.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 04, 2022, 02:57:24 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 04, 2022, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: BigRipper89 on February 04, 2022, 01:48:32 PM
I dont think it will be the winning or losing of the game in honesty.  To miss a All ireland final with your club, you would want to be certain it was a strike or red card offense. Im assuming there has been a video footage review and the decision made. Best of luck to them.

Whats the chances tomorrow then? any team news? wet and windy day forecast, might help to hinder Galway.

It won't impact the result, but still would be great if the GAA grew a set with all the successful appeals.

Team news is out:

McMahon

Fegan
McElroy
Collins

McCormack
McParland
D O'Hagan

Doherty
Murdock

Mooney
Kerr
McCartan

B O'Hagan
McKernan
Gilmore

It'll be a serious task but hopefully see improvement and a decent performance, as that's all we can ask at this stage of the new regime and with players gaining experience.
So you want people to be suspended for what a linesman made up in his own head?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 04, 2022, 03:26:23 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on February 04, 2022, 02:57:24 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 04, 2022, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: BigRipper89 on February 04, 2022, 01:48:32 PM
I dont think it will be the winning or losing of the game in honesty.  To miss a All ireland final with your club, you would want to be certain it was a strike or red card offense. Im assuming there has been a video footage review and the decision made. Best of luck to them.

Whats the chances tomorrow then? any team news? wet and windy day forecast, might help to hinder Galway.

It won't impact the result, but still would be great if the GAA grew a set with all the successful appeals.

Team news is out:

McMahon

Fegan
McElroy
Collins

McCormack
McParland
D O'Hagan

Doherty
Murdock

Mooney
Kerr
McCartan

B O'Hagan
McKernan
Gilmore

It'll be a serious task but hopefully see improvement and a decent performance, as that's all we can ask at this stage of the new regime and with players gaining experience.
So you want people to be suspended for what a linesman made up in his own head?

I do not think anyone is saying that Choc struck him with a fist but it was downright stupid of a man so vastly experienced to do that. Moran won't use him in the final if it's a tight game due to the short fuse. He did interfere with the player but there was enough in the video to ensure that the Kilcoo hierarchy would have pleaded his innocence.

I do not think that will be the team for tomorrow. I believe there will be a few changes.

I am just out of Urban in the Town and I spoke with a very prominent Laitroim Fontenoys figure who said that a few clubs are extremely unhappy with the CCC proposal and most clubs want to play 22 games. He was fearful with the number of dual players in their squad as to how it will affect them and there will be a lot of men playing 3 games a week. The county board meeting next week could be a long drawn-out affair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 04, 2022, 03:31:33 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 04, 2022, 03:26:23 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on February 04, 2022, 02:57:24 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 04, 2022, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: BigRipper89 on February 04, 2022, 01:48:32 PM
I dont think it will be the winning or losing of the game in honesty.  To miss a All ireland final with your club, you would want to be certain it was a strike or red card offense. Im assuming there has been a video footage review and the decision made. Best of luck to them.

Whats the chances tomorrow then? any team news? wet and windy day forecast, might help to hinder Galway.

It won't impact the result, but still would be great if the GAA grew a set with all the successful appeals.

Team news is out:

McMahon

Fegan
McElroy
Collins

McCormack
McParland
D O'Hagan

Doherty
Murdock

Mooney
Kerr
McCartan

B O'Hagan
McKernan
Gilmore

It'll be a serious task but hopefully see improvement and a decent performance, as that's all we can ask at this stage of the new regime and with players gaining experience.
So you want people to be suspended for what a linesman made up in his own head?

I do not think anyone is saying that Choc struck him with a fist but it was downright stupid of a man so vastly experienced to do that. Moran won't use him in the final if it's a tight game due to the short fuse. He did interfere with the player but there was enough in the video to ensure that the Kilcoo hierarchy would have pleaded his innocence.

I do not think that will be the team for tomorrow. I believe there will be a few changes.

I am just out of Yrban in the Town and I spoke with a very prominent Laitroim Fontenoys figure who said that a few clubs are extremely unhappy with the CCC proposal and most clubs want to play 22 games. He was fearful with the number of dual players in their squad as to how it will affect them and there will be a lot of men playing 3 games a week. The county board meeting next week could be a long drawn out affair.

Everyone I've talked to player wise is keen for the 22 games.. After all that's what we want as players, we just want to get out and play.. We don't want weeks off where we aren't playing. Mostly because that means we are dragged up to Castlewellan/Murlough or Tollymore lol

Also on a good week some of the Division 4 teams don't field, would mean that Division could end up with some teams only playing 10 games or so for a whole league campaign
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 04, 2022, 05:09:26 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on February 04, 2022, 02:57:24 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 04, 2022, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: BigRipper89 on February 04, 2022, 01:48:32 PM
I dont think it will be the winning or losing of the game in honesty.  To miss a All ireland final with your club, you would want to be certain it was a strike or red card offense. Im assuming there has been a video footage review and the decision made. Best of luck to them.

Whats the chances tomorrow then? any team news? wet and windy day forecast, might help to hinder Galway.

It won't impact the result, but still would be great if the GAA grew a set with all the successful appeals.

Team news is out:

McMahon

Fegan
McElroy
Collins

McCormack
McParland
D O'Hagan

Doherty
Murdock

Mooney
Kerr
McCartan

B O'Hagan
McKernan
Gilmore

It'll be a serious task but hopefully see improvement and a decent performance, as that's all we can ask at this stage of the new regime and with players gaining experience.
So you want people to be suspended for what a linesman made up in his own head?

No, for his needless idiotic actions, but sure keep letting people off for this, it's a great example for young players watching them do stupid overly agressive things and getting away with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on February 04, 2022, 06:23:18 PM
I've always supported Kilcoo, amazing grit despite never being a big team, but some of their behaviour has let them down. The incident in the minor championship and the abuse of one referee were particularly squalid examples.
Having said that, Jock's red card was harsh and deserved to be rescinded. I suspect he won't start, but a great man to bring on. As someone tweeted, you are never more than 6 feet from a Branagan.
I'm quietly confident, and think the bookies have it about right (8/13)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 04, 2022, 07:20:21 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 04, 2022, 02:21:35 PM
Glad too see Gilmore kept his place - Would have O'Hagan at 6 as don't think he's the legs he once had. Disappointed to see McKernan in the side, clearly playing sweeper but don't think he's up to the pace of the Inter County game anymore, maybe someone to bring on to steady the ship later in the game but don't see how he merits starting given current form.

How does McKernan do it.. I thought the tackle that led to his withdrawal last week had killed him rolling about the place - then he's helped from the pitch and five mins later shouting n roaring like he is the coach. N now he's fit to start!!! Madness...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on February 04, 2022, 11:07:31 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 04, 2022, 07:20:21 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 04, 2022, 02:21:35 PM
Glad too see Gilmore kept his place - Would have O'Hagan at 6 as don't think he's the legs he once had. Disappointed to see McKernan in the side, clearly playing sweeper but don't think he's up to the pace of the Inter County game anymore, maybe someone to bring on to steady the ship later in the game but don't see how he merits starting given current form.

How does McKernan do it.. I thought the tackle that led to his withdrawal last week had killed him rolling about the place - then he's helped from the pitch and five mins later shouting n roaring like he is the coach. N now he's fit to start!!! Madness...

It's absolute madness how he is even on the panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 05, 2022, 05:13:05 AM
I was impressed with Anthony Morgan when he came on v St Finbarrs, will he have done enough to squeeze into the 1st 15.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 05, 2022, 08:31:04 PM
 Good for 10mins and terrible for 60mins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on February 05, 2022, 08:35:45 PM
Disappointing result tonight, Galways class completely exposed Down. Signs of a second half comeback were quickly evaporated. I wish the commentators would curb their expectations a little on the young Down players. Whilst they are showing decent signs so far, they still have massive steps to take and I don't think stating that they are going to be future Down captains or about the county scene for 10 years whilst playing in games that they are getting hammered in is helpful for their expectations. Especially whilst there is players their same age standing out more for the opposition. But that is here not there. Good to see Havern back this evening, hopefully see some more injury returns for the next game. Any word on Corey Quinn?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 05, 2022, 08:37:18 PM
Thought we done well on Kickouts - Few held up in the wind but other than that looked like we had a strategy. Doherty and McKernan seemed off the pace, couldn't keep up with the pace off that Galway team.

I know we started late but the Size/Strength of Galway compared too us was unreal.

McMahon and McElroy the better performing players for us tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 05, 2022, 09:03:28 PM
Improved performance tonight against a Galway side who are a level above most of the teams in Division 2. Ultimately it's the games against Meath, Clare and Offaly which will determine Downs status a division 2 team. Hopefully a few of the Kilcoo boys will have joined up by that stage.
Though McMahon had a good game in nets, McElroy was solid, Barry was always a threat and Gilmore continues to look promising. It's tough when you're losing games but thought there was at least some signs of better things to come.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 05, 2022, 09:25:45 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 05, 2022, 09:03:28 PM
Improved performance tonight against a Galway side who are a level above most of the teams in Division 2. Ultimately it's the games against Meath, Clare and Offaly which will determine Downs status a division 2 team. Hopefully a few of the Kilcoo boys will have joined up by that stage.
Though McMahon had a good game in nets, McElroy was solid, Barry was always a threat and Gilmore continues to look promising. It's tough when you're losing games but thought there was at least some signs of better things to come.

Yes, agree with this. Galway are a very good side and will be aiming to win the division, Down will be looking to stay in the division. Some decent showings and no shortage of hard work. Gilmore looks like he really wants to nail down a spot and isn't afraid to take players on. Maybe does it a little too much but that's just his lack of intercounty experience showing, but he always looks a threat. Barry O'Hagan superb at times, and some flashes of Kerr's quality too. McElroy is also settling in well and is one solid and athletic lad. No point being negative, Down are starting from scratch but Div 2 experience will be good for these lads and we'd hope for a couple of wins against the teams you mentioned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on February 05, 2022, 10:02:16 PM
I'd be quietly optimistic of a result against Meath in the next outing. 2 weeks preparation for it so I really hope it gives some of the lads a chance to get back up to speed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 05, 2022, 10:27:50 PM
Was I watching a different game?? How did yas think McMahon had a good game?? Kickouts led directly to 4 scores. Booming the ball to midfield is not really a strategy even though we won a few more breaks than normal.
After watching all division one teams now and seeing Galway and Derry in division 2 - we are absolutely miles off competing. Would we not be safer in the second tier competition and rebuild with some young lads and get back to the top table that way??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 05, 2022, 10:36:25 PM
I honestly didn't think anyone for Down played well. O'Hagen done OK. Few frees and simple points from play. He stills spills a lot of ball and shoots from crazy angles. Can't fault his effort but I could name 15 better forwards in Ulster alone. Young McIlroy was given the round around IMO and made a lot of fouls. One great block but I honestly don't see what everyone else sees. I think relegation is very likely even with just 2 games gone. Really hope they prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 05, 2022, 10:51:21 PM
Quote from: urbangael on February 05, 2022, 10:36:25 PM
I honestly didn't think anyone for Down played well. O'Hagen done OK. Few frees and simple points from play. He stills spills a lot of ball and shoots from crazy angles. Can't fault his effort but I could name 15 better forwards in Ulster alone. Young McIlroy was given the round around IMO and made a lot of fouls. One great block but I honestly don't see what everyone else sees. I think relegation is very likely even with just 2 games gone. Really hope they prove me wrong.
these 15 better forwards you could name, are many of them from Down? We have to work with players we have. Barry is a top player. Fionn McIlroy was marking one of the top players in Ireland and did a decent job, he's a promising full back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 05, 2022, 11:18:57 PM
The 3 Johnstons and young Doherty from kilcoo for a start. Probably 5 of the Tyrone forwards, a couple from Derry 3 each from Armagh and Donegal. It's just a reality that Down don't have the raw materials to be challenging on any front. The Galway full forward hit 1.2 from play of McIlroy and Finn also gave away a few frees. He was rightly roasted in fairness.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on February 05, 2022, 11:24:55 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 05, 2022, 10:27:50 PM
Was I watching a different game?? How did yas think McMahon had a good game?? Kickouts led directly to 4 scores. Booming the ball to midfield is not really a strategy even though we won a few more breaks than normal.
After watching all division one teams now and seeing Galway and Derry in division 2 - we are absolutely miles off competing. Would we not be safer in the second tier competition and rebuild with some young lads and get back to the top table that way??

I thought he did well overall tbh, one of only a handful that played ok. Absolutely zero movement out the field from kickouts and he picked out some brilliant options in a tough wind. Solid under high ball too and a decent save at the end even though the game was lost at that stage, massive improvement on what I watched against Derry. Think his kicking led to two pts against and definitely got 3/4pts for us from our kickouts retained. You're a point man Jonny so maybe you have an issue with him. On the whole though I thought Down had some great moments and were well in top at the start of the second half but ran out of steam when Galway slowed the tempo down and killed the momentum, showing their experience coming through. They managed the game far better than us but hopefully the Kilcoo lads can add some quality and I'd imagine 3/4 of them will come straight in to the team. I'd be hopeful Kane, McEvoy and the Johnstons would all commit and maybe Miceal Rooney and Ward. Ask them all I think and see who fancies it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 06, 2022, 12:03:55 AM
Quote from: urbangael on February 05, 2022, 11:18:57 PM
The 3 Johnstons and young Doherty from kilcoo for a start. Probably 5 of the Tyrone forwards, a couple from Derry 3 each from Armagh and Donegal. It's just a reality that Down don't have the raw materials to be challenging on any front. The Galway full forward hit 1.2 from play of McIlroy and Finn also gave away a few frees. He was rightly roasted in fairness.

So you can't name these 15 players then. Thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 06, 2022, 12:10:04 AM
Well done to Kilcoo
A brilliant team and long may it continue
Down were very poor last week but were worse tonight
Galway looked like they were in
2nd gear and still had the match won at half time
Young McIlroy looked so far off the pace it was frightening
I would be amazed if we beat Meath
What has happened Mooney?
Gary Mac done well in goals
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 06, 2022, 07:57:13 AM

Myler McGeary Sludden mccurry mcshane cassidy mcguigan 2 ONeills Mcgrogan Murphy Mcbrearty langan plus the 4 kilcoo lads I named. Also think Kerr and Quinn from Down are better. Put your wee dummy back in. It's a discussion board. Barry has been OK my point is if you're pinning hopes on him as our best stellar forward we are so far off the pace and genuinely won't be challenging for any honours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 06, 2022, 09:03:12 AM
Quote from: urbangael on February 06, 2022, 07:57:13 AM

Myler McGeary Sludden mccurry mcshane cassidy mcguigan 2 ONeills Mcgrogan Murphy Mcbrearty langan plus the 4 kilcoo lads I named. Also think Kerr and Quinn from Down are better. Put your wee dummy back in. It's a discussion board. Barry has been OK my point is if you're pinning hopes on him as our best stellar forward we are so far off the pace and genuinely won't be challenging for any honours.

Never said he would lead Down to winning trophies, but he performed quite well and I appreciate the quality and efforts of some of these players given the difficult start to the year regarding the management appointments, and the fact that there is a rebuilding job to be done. Your childish dummy comment was pointless, moreso when you then acknowledged it's a discussion board. And yes, those players you named are all top class and more experienced, and have benefited from better structures over a number of years which I hope we can eventually see in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 06, 2022, 09:09:58 AM
You've raised a valid point in fairness. One well covered in this forum.... The inept Co Board. Can't see any changes in the short to medium term.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 06, 2022, 10:04:20 AM
We all know Down are a long way off and taking 5 months to get a new manager in , a manager who didn't really want the job leaves us way behind. I would be hoping more that laverty and Clarke will be the guys to start to turn things around after another couple of years at the u20s. I'm always impressed by how both talk about the game. Down need the Kilcoo men and I'm hoping they win the All Ireland next week and then turn their eyes to Down . Our fwds are very aimless at times running Into trouble then giving the ball away.  We were best last night when we ran quicky with the ball got into trouble when slowing up. The quick ball into O'Hagan at start of 2nd half worked. We need to use the fwd mark, is shane Harrison still an option?. A steady settled squad is also key. Any players make debut last night or we still at 83 players since 2017? How Paddy Tally was expected to succeed with that turnover.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blowitupref on February 06, 2022, 10:11:11 AM
How many Kilcoo players will be starters for Down this year and will they be available for round 3 or given an extra week off?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 06, 2022, 01:16:38 PM
I don't think many are surprised that Down started with 2 defeats given the late appointment of manager and we've faced 2 of the stronger teams in the division, the 2 weeks break has came at a good time, hopefully we'll see Laverty, Quinn and Guinness back for the Meath game and a host from Kilcoo (all Ireland champs all being well) the squad will be strengthened considerably then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 06, 2022, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 06, 2022, 10:11:11 AM
How many Kilcoo players will be starters for Down this year and will they be available for round 3 or given an extra week off?
All this talk and hope about new structures for the future is touted every year.Nothing changes and never will.I'll watch the deferred coverage of the Armagh and Tyrone game later.Look at the Management of each team today and compare their intensity to the easy-come/easy-go mannerisms of the Down Management last night although one of them got a yellow card for mouthing.They appear to be just going through the motions on our way to Div 3. Sad to watch and I never thought I'd be saying this but Poacher would waken it all up including our inept County Officers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 06, 2022, 02:22:06 PM
Would Odhran Murdock be worth a look at full forward to bring a bit of presence and strength? Two good feet and can take a score.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 06, 2022, 02:30:52 PM

  All this talk and hope about new structures for the future is touted every year.Nothing changes and never will.I'll watch the deferred coverage of the Armagh and Tyrone game later.Look at the Management of each team today and compare their intensity to the easy-come/easy-go mannerisms of the Down Management last night although one of them got a yellow card for mouthing.They appear to be just going through the motions on our way to Div 3. Sad to watch and I never thought I'd be saying this but Poacher would waken it all up including our inept County Officers.
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Oh my good god. Such a statement. He had arguably the best minor team since 2005 at his disposal a couple of years ago and royally messed that up with his inept tactics.
Upandwin - I have no issue with Gary at all - has been excellent for our club in last few years and fully merits a place on the panel - but I definitely didn't see a good performance from him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Solo_run on February 06, 2022, 03:42:36 PM
1 Armagh player sent off

4 Tyrone players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 06, 2022, 09:02:09 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 06, 2022, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 06, 2022, 10:11:11 AM
How many Kilcoo players will be starters for Down this year and will they be available for round 3 or given an extra week off?
All this talk and hope about new structures for the future is touted every year.Nothing changes and never will.I'll watch the deferred coverage of the Armagh and Tyrone game later.Look at the Management of each team today and compare their intensity to the easy-come/easy-go mannerisms of the Down Management last night although one of them got a yellow card for mouthing.They appear to be just going through the motions on our way to Div 3. Sad to watch and I never thought I'd be saying this but Poacher would waken it all up including our inept County Officers.
Intensity or what!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on February 06, 2022, 09:04:41 PM
I'm not sure a single player from Down's team last night would start for either Armagh or Tyrone today????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 06, 2022, 11:34:46 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on February 06, 2022, 09:04:41 PM
I'm not sure a single player from Down's team last night would start for either Armagh or Tyrone today????

Context is everything.

Brilliant players, and especially brilliant forwards, make good players raise their levels. Their presence changes the attitudes of their teammates and the confidence of their opponents.

Rian O'Neill is having a similar effect on Armagh that Martin Clarke did for Down in 2010.

Knowing your team is always capable of scoring enough to win is probably the most understated mental attribute m football.

Witness Dublin who had 5 years of the Brogans, Flynn and Connolly, merged  into 5 years of Rock, O'Callaghan, Mannion and Kilkenny. It was like a 5 point head start. Now gone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on February 07, 2022, 08:12:57 AM
Our neighbours and rivals, not even sure i can call them our rivals sitting top of the national league while we sit bottom of division 2 is extremely disheartening. Dont think that many of our starting team from saturday would even make armaghs 26 man squad, we are in a extremely poor place at the minute and every other team in ulster except fermanagh are on the way up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on February 07, 2022, 08:22:48 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 06, 2022, 11:34:46 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on February 06, 2022, 09:04:41 PM
I'm not sure a single player from Down's team last night would start for either Armagh or Tyrone today????

Context is everything.

Brilliant players, and especially brilliant forwards, make good players raise their levels. Their presence changes the attitudes of their teammates and the confidence of their opponents.

Rian O'Neill is having a similar effect on Armagh that Martin Clarke did for Down in 2010.

Knowing your team is always capable of scoring enough to win is probably the most understated mental attribute m football.

Witness Dublin who had 5 years of the Brogans, Flynn and Connolly, merged  into 5 years of Rock, O'Callaghan, Mannion and Kilkenny. It was like a 5 point head start. Now gone.

To be fair, 3 of the 4 are still there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 07, 2022, 08:54:23 AM
Poor game on Saturday, poor crowd and atmosphere. Hosting Galway in Newry should have been a great occasion but was flat.
I thought the team tried hard, they were set up ok and look an improvement. The keeper was better than Bubba but he had a few bad kick-outs with his left foot which I could not get my head around. I think Smyth's long licks would be a better option. It's just a pity we don't have big men to cath around the middle and it's unfair to expect young Murdock to be the focal point. Defensively we were better but lacked physicality. We are missing a few marquee forwards who hopefully will be playing in Navan. We need to be positive and hopefully, we can survive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 07, 2022, 09:03:25 AM
On a more upbeat note the Down hurlers had a good win over Carlow in Div2A, goaling deep into injury time to win by 2.

considering Carlow were stuffing them by double digits a few years back that's progress.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 07, 2022, 09:08:11 AM
I see 8 different clubs were represented on the 1st 15, must be a positive sign too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 07, 2022, 09:20:31 AM
I am hearing that there are new proposals tabled for the county board meeting after complaints from the North and the West of the county. Are they out yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 07, 2022, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 07, 2022, 09:20:31 AM
I am hearing that there are new proposals tabled for the county board meeting after complaints from the North and the West of the county. Are they out yet?

Which clubs complained? Source?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 07, 2022, 10:05:02 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 07, 2022, 09:03:25 AM
On a more upbeat note the Down hurlers had a good win over Carlow in Div2A, goaling deep into injury time to win by 2.

considering Carlow were stuffing them by double digits a few years back that's progress.
Great result for Down hurlers.  Disgraceful reports in the irishnews of Carlow players calling Down players prods and brits throughout the game. They got their medicine the way they deserved It with defeat. I cann recall being called something similar in Aughrim in 2009 .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 07, 2022, 10:11:34 AM
The irony is that a large percentage of Carlow are protestants.

Those protestants up to no good as usual
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on February 07, 2022, 10:45:41 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 07, 2022, 09:03:25 AM
On a more upbeat note the Down hurlers had a good win over Carlow in Div2A, goaling deep into injury time to win by 2.

considering Carlow were stuffing them by double digits a few years back that's progress.

Steady progress in Down hurling in recent years. A lot of great work being done
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 07, 2022, 11:08:57 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 07, 2022, 10:05:02 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 07, 2022, 09:03:25 AM
On a more upbeat note the Down hurlers had a good win over Carlow in Div2A, goaling deep into injury time to win by 2.

considering Carlow were stuffing them by double digits a few years back that's progress.
Great result for Down hurlers.  Disgraceful reports in the irishnews of Carlow players calling Down players prods and brits throughout the game. They got their medicine the way they deserved It with defeat. I cann recall being called something similar in Aughrim in 2009 .

Haven't heard that and was talking to one of our players on the team yesterday evening who never mentioned it. If it did happen I'm sure it was laughed off by the player or players involved.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on February 07, 2022, 11:50:00 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 07, 2022, 11:08:57 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 07, 2022, 10:05:02 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 07, 2022, 09:03:25 AM
On a more upbeat note the Down hurlers had a good win over Carlow in Div2A, goaling deep into injury time to win by 2.

considering Carlow were stuffing them by double digits a few years back that's progress.
Great result for Down hurlers.  Disgraceful reports in the irishnews of Carlow players calling Down players prods and brits throughout the game. They got their medicine the way they deserved It with defeat. I cann recall being called something similar in Aughrim in 2009 .

Haven't heard that and was talking to one of our players on the team yesterday evening who never mentioned it. If it did happen I'm sure it was laughed off by the player or players involved.

https://twitter.com/newryhurler1/status/1490341462378225671?s=20&t=K5snVK5CaN55ha7nHuH4kQ (https://twitter.com/newryhurler1/status/1490341462378225671?s=20&t=K5snVK5CaN55ha7nHuH4kQ)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 07, 2022, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 07, 2022, 09:20:31 AM
I am hearing that there are new proposals tabled for the county board meeting after complaints from the North and the West of the county. Are they out yet?
North and West!!!! :D :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 07, 2022, 03:21:52 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 07, 2022, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 07, 2022, 09:20:31 AM
I am hearing that there are new proposals tabled for the county board meeting after complaints from the North and the West of the county. Are they out yet?
North and West!!!! :D :D :D

You know what I mean. Has anyone seen the new proposals yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on February 07, 2022, 03:56:50 PM
Well we all know that North Down and West Down have dominated for years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 07, 2022, 06:32:20 PM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on February 07, 2022, 03:56:50 PM
Well we all know that North Down and West Down have dominated for years
I have relatives in West Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 08, 2022, 08:44:48 AM
                                                   
                                                   
Division One               Division Two         Division Three         Division Four                  
12 Teams               10 Teams         12 Teams         9 Teams                  
Cumann Pheadair Naofa               Longstone         Shamrocks         Kilclief Ben Dearg GAC                  
Clonduff GAC               Glenn         Ballymartin         Dundrum GAC                  
Mayobridge               AN Riocht         Tullylish         Ardglass                  
Burren GAC               Darragh Cross         Drumgath         East Belfast                  
Carryduff               Bredagh         Atticall         St Colman's Drumaness                  
Kilcoo               Saul         Aughlisnafin         Glasdrumman                  
Ballyholland               Annaclone         St John Bosco         Aghaderg                  
Bryansford               St Johns         Clann na Banna         Mitchels                  
Rostrevor               Saval         Teconnaught         St Michael's GAC, Magheralin                  
Loughinisland               Liatroim         Bright                           
R.G.U Downpatrick                        Dromara                           
Castlewellan                        St Paul's                           
                                                   
                                                   
Objective is that in 2023 All Divisions will have 10 Teams, where possible.                                                    
                                                   
                                                   
Division One                                                   
11 Rounds  played first.         Teams Retain Points gained throughout the League                                          
After 11 Rounds the Top 4 then play for League Title playing each other Home and Away with then the Top Two meeting in League Final Total of 18 Games                                             17 plus Final      
                                                   
After 11 Rounds the Remaining 8 Teams play each other an additional Seven Games with the Bottom 4 Teams being relegated Total of 18 Games                                                   
                                                   
Division Two  10 Teams                                                   
                                                   
18 Rounds Home and Away   The Top Two Teams are Promoted to Division One and the Bottom 4 Teams are relegated to Division Three - Total of 18 Games                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
Division Three  12 Teams         Teams Retain Points gained throughout the League                                          
After 11 Rounds the Top 4 then play for League Title playing each other Home and Away with then the Top Two meeting in League Final Total of 18 Games                                             Top Two Promoted      
                                                   
After 11 Rounds the remaining 8 Teams play each other in an additional Seven Games with the bottom 5 Teams being relegated to Division Four A    Total of 18 Games                                                   
                                                   
Division Four - Nine Teams                                                    
League Starts with a group of 5 and a Group of 4 Based on Last Years finishing position each team plays each other Home and Away, the winners of each Group are given a bye to Quarter Final of JFC.                                                   
                                                   
After first Rounds then Teams retain Points gained and everyone plays 1 Round of Fixtures - Top Team is promoted to Division Three.  Total Of Games 16                                                   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 08, 2022, 08:48:22 AM
Objective is that in 2023 we get to 10 Teams in all Divisions where that is posssible.                                                                     
                                                                     
This allows for Player Welfare and Development to take place within a Timeframe and ensures that we are not kicking the Can down the Road.                                                                     
                                                                     
The consensus is that there must be Promotion and Relegation and that this is best structured within one Year.                                                                     
                                                                     
Division One in 2022 - 12 Teams- 22 Games - Top Team is wins the League - Four Teams Relegated to Division Two in 2022 - There can be no postponements, if a Game is not played then the Team loses the points.                                                                     
                                                                     
Division Two in 2022 - 10 Teams -18 Games - Top Two Promoted and Top Team wins the League- Four Teams Relegated to Division Three in 2022-                                           There can be no postponements if a Game is not played then a Team loses the points.                           
                                                                     
Division Three in 2022 - 12 Teams -22 Games-Top Two Promoted and Top Team Wins the League- Five Teams Relegated to Division 4A in 2022 -                                          There can be no postponements if a Game is not played then a Team loses the points.                           
                                                                     
Division Four in 2022 - 9 Teams -16 Games Top Team Promoted - League is split in Two at start a group of 5 and a Group of 4 who play each other Home and Away and then come together where everyone plays each other in One Round.                                                                     
                        Teams who do not field in 2022 in a match also face a Two point deduction in 2023                                             
                                                                     
                                                                     
In one Season we committ to getting to where we want to be in terms of our number of Games and then Clubs can establish their own standing.                                                                     
                                                                     
Dates for League Fixtures         Divisions One and Three additional Dates in Red                                                            
April7th/8th        Rd 1                                                               
April 14th      Rd 2                                                               
April 21/22nd      Rd 3                                                               
April 29th      Rd 4                                                               
May 6th      Rd5                                                               
May 13th      Rd 6                                                               
May 20th      Rd 7                                                               
May 27th      Rd 8                                                               
June 3rd      Rd 9                                                               
June 10th      Rd 10                                                               
June 17th      Rd 11                                                               
June 24th      Rd 12                                                               
July 1st      Rd 13                                                               
July 8th       Rd 14                                                               
July 22nd      Rd 15                                                               
July 25th       1+3                                                               
July 29th      Rd 16                                                               
August 1st      1+3                                                               
August 5th      Rd 17                                                               
August 8th      1+3                                                               
August 12th      Rd 18                                                               
August 15th      1+3                                                               
                                                                     
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 08, 2022, 08:50:30 AM
Above are the 2 options from the county board, The first one is too complicated and is not fair on teams who finish in the top after the first round of fixtures.
Play the full round of fixtures Sean og and do not give teams the chance to moan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 08, 2022, 10:28:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 08, 2022, 08:50:30 AM
Above are the 2 options from the county board, The first one is too complicated and is not fair on teams who finish in the top after the first round of fixtures.
Play the full round of fixtures Sean og and do not give teams the chance to moan.

I actually agree with Truth Hurts for once.. 1st option you posted isn't fair on teams who get Home Advantage in a relegation fight before the split.

Home and Away - No Postponements/Rescheduling (unless for deaths in the club only exception should be allowed). Actually a good fixture dates put out by the Co Board. Gives plenty of planning for players/management
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 08, 2022, 10:56:58 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 08, 2022, 10:28:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 08, 2022, 08:50:30 AM
Above are the 2 options from the county board, The first one is too complicated and is not fair on teams who finish in the top after the first round of fixtures.
Play the full round of fixtures Sean og and do not give teams the chance to moan.

I actually agree with Truth Hurts for once.. 1st option you posted isn't fair on teams who get Home Advantage in a relegation fight before the split.

Home and Away - No Postponements/Rescheduling (unless for deaths in the club only exception should be allowed). Actually a good fixture dates put out by the Co Board. Gives plenty of planning for players/management

Agree fully with this though I am sure the clubs up the country will find something wrong with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on February 08, 2022, 10:59:22 AM
Four down from Div1 will be massive. So much pressure on Division one games this year makes for a really exciting season ahead.

Who would be favourite to go down from D1? Obviously Kilcoo and Burren (and probably Clonduff) will be too strong to be relegated so that leaves nine teams fighting out for five spots.

I heard reports Rostrevor are flying with numbers and players coming back, likes of Parr and Magee back training and Benny should get a tune out of them this year. What are Castlewellan like the year? Think they were fortunate to be promoted last year going off reports they robbed the stone. RGU are a strong outfit and Carryduff similar to them. Hard one to call, could Mayobridge and The Point be dragged in to the mix? Not sure how many county men in the bridge, think it might just be Quinn but he's a massive miss for them and CPN have at least 4/5 lads with Down and could struggle if they don't hit the ground running. There'll certainly be 5 starred games by the looks of it at least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Six Miles From Bangor on February 08, 2022, 11:09:54 AM
The very best of luck to Kilcoo who carry the hopes of their community and the whole of County Down into Saturday's  All-Ireland Club Football Final.#UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 08, 2022, 04:53:11 PM
Quote from: Six Miles From Bangor on February 08, 2022, 11:09:54 AM
The very best of luck to Kilcoo who carry the hopes of their community and the whole of County Down into Saturday's  All-Ireland Club Football Final.#UTM
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All bar the south Down liberal elite #UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 08, 2022, 04:56:04 PM
Quote from: wobbller on February 03, 2022, 08:19:34 PM
Quote from: full moon on February 03, 2022, 06:19:29 PM
Down are 11/2 to win Saturday. Fairly massive price at home, are Galway that good and Down that poor?

Not a Down man but I'm not convinced they're that much of an underdog at home.
We were 5-1 last weekend and the Bookies like most of us know the Form.
Bookies correct again.Kilcoo 8/13 for Sat evening.A good price and lets hope they win and get some
of their men back for Down for the Meath match.Goalie,1-2 defenders,1 midfielder and about 3-4 forwards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 08, 2022, 08:10:40 PM
Burren do it again. Pete McGrath installed as manager of their U19/seconds/thirds squads. They must have a bottomless pit of money to pay for their current setups. Along with taking Rostrevor minors Pete won't spend much time at home in the evenings!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on February 08, 2022, 10:13:39 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 08, 2022, 08:10:40 PM
Burren do it again. Pete McGrath installed as manager of their U19/seconds/thirds squads. They must have a bottomless pit of money to pay for their current setups. Along with taking Rostrevor minors Pete won't spend much time at home in the evenings!!!

Poor Jim going to have Pete McGrath breathing down his neck
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 2badteams on February 09, 2022, 09:11:02 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 08, 2022, 08:10:40 PM
Burren do it again. Pete McGrath installed as manager of their U19/seconds/thirds squads. They must have a bottomless pit of money to pay for their current setups. Along with taking Rostrevor minors Pete won't spend much time at home in the evenings!!!

Serious oil money that side of the Grinan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on February 09, 2022, 09:26:48 AM
Must be going for the biggest prize of them all Down GAA Premier Reserve Football Championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 09, 2022, 09:36:38 AM
What in the name of good god are you all talking about?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on February 09, 2022, 10:39:35 AM
Burren must have a serious amount of money, no way is pete mcgrath going to manage burren seconds thirds and 19s for nothing. Mcgrath surely gets about though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on February 09, 2022, 10:42:12 AM
Rostrevor flat to the mat with training. Ill be looking for odds for the two down clubs to win the all ireland senior and intermediate next year with kilcoo and rostrevor!!! Wonder has that been done many times before with the same county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 09, 2022, 10:44:52 AM
Are you serious about Pete McGrath taking Burren thirds? If this is true then we are on a slippery slope in the association than I thought we were. What is wrong with all the Burren coaches who won an array of underage titles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 09, 2022, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on February 09, 2022, 10:42:12 AM
Rostrevor flat to the mat with training. Ill be looking for odds for the two down clubs to win the all ireland senior and intermediate next year with kilcoo and rostrevor!!! Wonder has that been done many times before with the same county?

What do you mean flat to the matt? or are they just doing what every other club is doing in pre-season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 09, 2022, 10:55:11 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 09, 2022, 10:44:52 AM
Are you serious about Pete McGrath taking Burren thirds? If this is true then we are on a slippery slope in the association than I thought we were. What is wrong with all the Burren coaches who won an array of underage titles.
Truth Hurts,
   lumpitin and johnnysboys are doing what you usually do!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 09, 2022, 11:09:00 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 09, 2022, 10:55:11 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 09, 2022, 10:44:52 AM
Are you serious about Pete McGrath taking Burren thirds? If this is true then we are on a slippery slope in the association than I thought we were. What is wrong with all the Burren coaches who won an array of underage titles.
Truth Hurts,
   lumpitin and johnnysboys are doing what you usually do!

I only speak facts, I'm sorry if the truth hurts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 09, 2022, 11:21:44 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 09, 2022, 11:09:00 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 09, 2022, 10:55:11 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 09, 2022, 10:44:52 AM
Are you serious about Pete McGrath taking Burren thirds? If this is true then we are on a slippery slope in the association than I thought we were. What is wrong with all the Burren coaches who won an array of underage titles.
Truth Hurts,
   lumpitin and johnnysboys are doing what you usually do!

I only speak facts, I'm sorry if the truth hurts
 
It doesn't hurt one bit.They are winding...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on February 09, 2022, 02:29:08 PM
Thats a bit harsh rosskarr
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 09, 2022, 03:19:00 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on February 09, 2022, 02:29:08 PM
Thats a bit harsh rosskarr
Rostrevor had their Ulster IFC chance a few years ago never mind an All-Ireland title.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 09, 2022, 10:44:13 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 09, 2022, 10:44:52 AM
Are you serious about Pete McGrath taking Burren thirds? If this is true then we are on a slippery slope in the association than I thought we were. What is wrong with all the Burren coaches who won an array of underage titles.
Yeah I sure am serious. No expense spared up the road!!!
ALL the burren coaches u speak off are tied up elsewhere. I'm speaking of coaches only - they are like every other club where people are there for the craic not to coach.. talking to a Burren man tonight who said - Neil Coulter won u16 paul mcgirr and minor St. Paul's was up in Killeavy but is currently with Benny in Rostrevor
Eoghan McCartan and Steven O'Hare won feile and runner up in feile are current senior coaches in Burren (along with McCrory, Adams and now Pete).
Michael magill (point man) is in Louth with a club along with big Anthony Cunningham- Stefan White won minor championship last year is at Cooley Kickams, Pat Cunningham (Ballymartin man) is with Down minors and Seàn O'Hare has quit coaching.
Despite all this - they will still field at every age group and with 2 teams at some levels - fair play to them. Unlike other clubs - everyone in burren wants to be involved - they don't mind not working with their own kids and in the last ten years they have had some amount of success at underage. Personally I still think it will be 2-3 years before they are winning senior titles again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 09, 2022, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 09, 2022, 10:44:13 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 09, 2022, 10:44:52 AM
Are you serious about Pete McGrath taking Burren thirds? If this is true then we are on a slippery slope in the association than I thought we were. What is wrong with all the Burren coaches who won an array of underage titles.
Yeah I sure am serious. No expense spared up the road!!!
ALL the burren coaches u speak off are tied up elsewhere. I'm speaking of coaches only - they are like every other club where people are there for the craic not to coach.. talking to a Burren man tonight who said - Neil Coulter won u16 paul mcgirr and minor St. Paul's was up in Killeavy but is currently with Benny in Rostrevor
Eoghan McCartan and Steven O'Hare won feile and runner up in feile are current senior coaches in Burren (along with McCrory, Adams and now Pete).
Michael magill (point man) is in Louth with a club along with big Anthony Cunningham- Stefan White won minor championship last year is at Cooley Kickams, Pat Cunningham (Ballymartin man) is with Down minors and Seàn O'Hare has quit coaching.
Despite all this - they will still field at every age group and with 2 teams at some levels - fair play to them. Unlike other clubs - everyone in burren wants to be involved - they don't mind not working with their own kids and in the last ten years they have had some amount of success at underage. Personally I still think it will be 2-3 years before they are winning senior titles again.
You're well versed on all things Burren.Any other gossip?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 10, 2022, 08:42:36 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 09, 2022, 10:44:13 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 09, 2022, 10:44:52 AM
Are you serious about Pete McGrath taking Burren thirds? If this is true then we are on a slippery slope in the association than I thought we were. What is wrong with all the Burren coaches who won an array of underage titles.
Yeah I sure am serious. No expense spared up the road!!!
ALL the burren coaches u speak off are tied up elsewhere. I'm speaking of coaches only - they are like every other club where people are there for the craic not to coach.. talking to a Burren man tonight who said - Neil Coulter won u16 paul mcgirr and minor St. Paul's was up in Killeavy but is currently with Benny in Rostrevor
Eoghan McCartan and Steven O'Hare won feile and runner up in feile are current senior coaches in Burren (along with McCrory, Adams and now Pete).
Michael magill (point man) is in Louth with a club along with big Anthony Cunningham- Stefan White won minor championship last year is at Cooley Kickams, Pat Cunningham (Ballymartin man) is with Down minors and Seàn O'Hare has quit coaching.
Despite all this - they will still field at every age group and with 2 teams at some levels - fair play to them. Unlike other clubs - everyone in burren wants to be involved - they don't mind not working with their own kids and in the last ten years they have had some amount of success at underage. Personally I still think it will be 2-3 years before they are winning senior titles again.

they should be ashamed, where will all this stop. Soon they will be employing Jim McGuiness to coach their u12 team. Real Burren people must be embarrassed, not the blow ins from the Point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 10, 2022, 10:11:36 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 10, 2022, 08:42:36 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 09, 2022, 10:44:13 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 09, 2022, 10:44:52 AM
Are you serious about Pete McGrath taking Burren thirds? If this is true then we are on a slippery slope in the association than I thought we were. What is wrong with all the Burren coaches who won an array of underage titles.
Yeah I sure am serious. No expense spared up the road!!!
ALL the burren coaches u speak off are tied up elsewhere. I'm speaking of coaches only - they are like every other club where people are there for the craic not to coach.. talking to a Burren man tonight who said - Neil Coulter won u16 paul mcgirr and minor St. Paul's was up in Killeavy but is currently with Benny in Rostrevor
Eoghan McCartan and Steven O'Hare won feile and runner up in feile are current senior coaches in Burren (along with McCrory, Adams and now Pete).
Michael magill (point man) is in Louth with a club along with big Anthony Cunningham- Stefan White won minor championship last year is at Cooley Kickams, Pat Cunningham (Ballymartin man) is with Down minors and Seàn O'Hare has quit coaching.
Despite all this - they will still field at every age group and with 2 teams at some levels - fair play to them. Unlike other clubs - everyone in burren wants to be involved - they don't mind not working with their own kids and in the last ten years they have had some amount of success at underage. Personally I still think it will be 2-3 years before they are winning senior titles again.

they should be ashamed, where will all this stop. Soon they will be employing Jim McGuiness to coach their u12 team. Real Burren people must be embarrassed, not the blow ins from the Point.

It's an open secret that Jim Gavin has that role sealed up next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 10, 2022, 12:59:29 PM

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   You're well versed on all things Burren.Any other gossip?
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Aye have good few friends from there so just asked the question!! Some players disgusted at the Pete thing to be fair - they loved the setup last year and wanted it to continue.

@truth hurts With the amount of underage stuff they are winning - I really hope their u12 don't get McGuinness as manager!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 10, 2022, 01:15:43 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 10, 2022, 12:59:29 PM

You're well versed on all things Burren.Any other gossip?
[/quote]

Aye have good few friends from there so just asked the question!! Some players disgusted at the Pete thing to be fair - they loved the setup last year and wanted it to continue.

@truth hurts With the amount of underage stuff they are winning - I really hope their u12 don't get McGuinness as manager!!!!
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They could not face another year of failing at thirds level. Pete could be the man to get them to the promised land and bring the Father Davies to Burren as its been years since they have tasted that success  ;D

Johnnysboys I do not think they will be as strong at underage as in previous years but they will be favourites for the minor title i think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 10, 2022, 01:45:53 PM
Bryansford, Mayobridge and Bredagh might have something to say about the minor title too. Might be a year too soon for the bridge but they won the u15 at a canter last year.. Fr Davies shield could be their lot this year in fairness!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 10, 2022, 03:45:40 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 10, 2022, 01:45:53 PM
Bryansford, Mayobridge and Bredagh might have something to say about the minor title too. Might be a year too soon for the bridge but they won the u15 at a canter last year.. Fr Davies shield could be their lot this year in fairness!!

What's CPN underage like now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 10, 2022, 04:53:10 PM


What's CPN underage like now?
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Not good I'm afraid. We will probably have no teams in all county this year unfortunately. Some good individuals on teams but no collective outstanding teams. With a major overhaul of our senior team in the next 5 years to replace players on wrong side of 30 - we could struggle for a bit again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 10, 2022, 06:07:20 PM
Anyone know if premium level tickets are available for Sat. Want to go to hurling also and then warm up before the football. I'd say it will be freezing. 2 games in a row this time of year is a cold ask.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 10, 2022, 08:46:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 08, 2022, 08:44:48 AM
                                                   
                                                   
Division One               Division Two         Division Three         Division Four                  
12 Teams               10 Teams         12 Teams         9 Teams                  
Cumann Pheadair Naofa               Longstone         Shamrocks         Kilclief Ben Dearg GAC                  
Clonduff GAC               Glenn         Ballymartin         Dundrum GAC                  
Mayobridge               AN Riocht         Tullylish         Ardglass                  
Burren GAC               Darragh Cross         Drumgath         East Belfast                  
Carryduff               Bredagh         Atticall         St Colman's Drumaness                  
Kilcoo               Saul         Aughlisnafin         Glasdrumman                  
Ballyholland               Annaclone         St John Bosco         Aghaderg                  
Bryansford               St Johns         Clann na Banna         Mitchels                  
Rostrevor               Saval         Teconnaught         St Michael's GAC, Magheralin                  
Loughinisland               Liatroim         Bright                           
R.G.U Downpatrick                        Dromara                           
Castlewellan                        St Paul's                           
                                                   
                                                   
Objective is that in 2023 All Divisions will have 10 Teams, where possible.                                                    
                                                   
                                                   
Division One                                                   
11 Rounds  played first.         Teams Retain Points gained throughout the League                                          
After 11 Rounds the Top 4 then play for League Title playing each other Home and Away with then the Top Two meeting in League Final Total of 18 Games                                             17 plus Final      
                                                   
After 11 Rounds the Remaining 8 Teams play each other an additional Seven Games with the Bottom 4 Teams being relegated Total of 18 Games                                                   
                                                   
Division Two  10 Teams                                                   
                                                   
18 Rounds Home and Away   The Top Two Teams are Promoted to Division One and the Bottom 4 Teams are relegated to Division Three - Total of 18 Games                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
Division Three  12 Teams         Teams Retain Points gained throughout the League                                          
After 11 Rounds the Top 4 then play for League Title playing each other Home and Away with then the Top Two meeting in League Final Total of 18 Games                                             Top Two Promoted      
                                                   
After 11 Rounds the remaining 8 Teams play each other in an additional Seven Games with the bottom 5 Teams being relegated to Division Four A    Total of 18 Games                                                   
                                                   
Division Four - Nine Teams                                                    
League Starts with a group of 5 and a Group of 4 Based on Last Years finishing position each team plays each other Home and Away, the winners of each Group are given a bye to Quarter Final of JFC.                                                   
                                                   
After first Rounds then Teams retain Points gained and everyone plays 1 Round of Fixtures - Top Team is promoted to Division Three.  Total Of Games 16

This passed tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 10, 2022, 08:57:15 PM
I'm really not sure why points are retained for what is in effect a separate competition. But apart from that gripe it makes for one very exciting season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 10, 2022, 09:02:42 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 10, 2022, 08:46:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 08, 2022, 08:44:48 AM
                                                   
                                                   
Division One               Division Two         Division Three         Division Four                  
12 Teams               10 Teams         12 Teams         9 Teams                  
Cumann Pheadair Naofa               Longstone         Shamrocks         Kilclief Ben Dearg GAC                  
Clonduff GAC               Glenn         Ballymartin         Dundrum GAC                  
Mayobridge               AN Riocht         Tullylish         Ardglass                  
Burren GAC               Darragh Cross         Drumgath         East Belfast                  
Carryduff               Bredagh         Atticall         St Colman's Drumaness                  
Kilcoo               Saul         Aughlisnafin         Glasdrumman                  
Ballyholland               Annaclone         St John Bosco         Aghaderg                  
Bryansford               St Johns         Clann na Banna         Mitchels                  
Rostrevor               Saval         Teconnaught         St Michael's GAC, Magheralin                  
Loughinisland               Liatroim         Bright                           
R.G.U Downpatrick                        Dromara                           
Castlewellan                        St Paul's                           
                                                   
                                                   
Objective is that in 2023 All Divisions will have 10 Teams, where possible.                                                    
                                                   
                                                   
Division One                                                   
11 Rounds  played first.         Teams Retain Points gained throughout the League                                          
After 11 Rounds the Top 4 then play for League Title playing each other Home and Away with then the Top Two meeting in League Final Total of 18 Games                                             17 plus Final      
                                                   
After 11 Rounds the Remaining 8 Teams play each other an additional Seven Games with the Bottom 4 Teams being relegated Total of 18 Games                                                   
                                                   
Division Two  10 Teams                                                   
                                                   
18 Rounds Home and Away   The Top Two Teams are Promoted to Division One and the Bottom 4 Teams are relegated to Division Three - Total of 18 Games                                                   
                                                   
                                                   
Division Three  12 Teams         Teams Retain Points gained throughout the League                                          
After 11 Rounds the Top 4 then play for League Title playing each other Home and Away with then the Top Two meeting in League Final Total of 18 Games                                             Top Two Promoted      
                                                   
After 11 Rounds the remaining 8 Teams play each other in an additional Seven Games with the bottom 5 Teams being relegated to Division Four A    Total of 18 Games                                                   
                                                   
Division Four - Nine Teams                                                    
League Starts with a group of 5 and a Group of 4 Based on Last Years finishing position each team plays each other Home and Away, the winners of each Group are given a bye to Quarter Final of JFC.                                                   
                                                   
After first Rounds then Teams retain Points gained and everyone plays 1 Round of Fixtures - Top Team is promoted to Division Three.  Total Of Games 16

This passed tonight

Brutal to relegate so many teams, especially Division 3 with 5 going down who will likely hammer whoever is left in div 4 next year and effectively be playing a mini league to go back up.

They could easily trim relegation by a team in each division and do it over 2 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 11, 2022, 12:25:52 AM
That div 4 format is the worst. You could be a in group of 5 with only two decent teams to play. Total mess.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 11, 2022, 09:08:05 AM
The teams with the most county players are at an immediate handicap due to this. I think it's crazy it was passed and I guarantee you there will be a lot of complaints about this later in the season. The leagues are not going to be fair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 11, 2022, 09:15:56 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 10, 2022, 08:57:15 PM
I'm really not sure why points are retained for what is in effect a separate competition. But apart from that gripe it makes for one very exciting season.

So you think that a team who finishes in 5th after the first round had 10 points should start the second round of fixtures with a team who has zero points Clubs have not thought this true properly and trust me there will be a lot of complaints about this format. When the league starts there will be a raft of Down seniors who are fringe players who will leave the panel if they are starred. Down senior team is always hampered by the senior leagues.  If you make the league final you will have played a team 4 times before the start of the championship. Familiarity breeds contempt.

Sometimes I wonder what sort of clowns vote for these things.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 11, 2022, 09:44:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 11, 2022, 09:15:56 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 10, 2022, 08:57:15 PM
I'm really not sure why points are retained for what is in effect a separate competition. But apart from that gripe it makes for one very exciting season.

So you think that a team who finishes in 5th after the first round had 10 points should start the second round of fixtures with a team who has zero points Clubs have not thought this true properly and trust me there will be a lot of complaints about this format. When the league starts there will be a raft of Down seniors who are fringe players who will leave the panel if they are starred. Down senior team is always hampered by the senior leagues.  If you make the league final you will have played a team 4 times before the start of the championship. Familiarity breeds contempt.

Sometimes I wonder what sort of clowns vote for these things.

The problem here Truth is with perspective, and whether you believe it's one competition or multiple competitions. I believe it's the latter, except it's been infected by the former.

——

For over a decade after the starred system came into Down football, the leagues operated like this:

- 12 teams per division (with d4 usually smaller)

- Top 4 round robin playoffs for titles / promotion.

- Bottom 4 round robin playoffs for relegation.

And throughout this time, never once did anyone ever suggest, "maybe everyone should start the playoffs with their league points carried over". Do you know why? Because it would have been batshit mad to do so. They wouldn't have been playoffs. Half the games wouldn't even have been played due to foregone conclusions.

——

Personally, I believe that when we choose to split a season and create new leagues based on positions at a point in time, it is not a continuation of a competition. It's the creation of a new one.

This belief is compounded by the simple, inarguable fact that the principle of starred games only worked successfully in tandem with playoffs, as it meant that although clubs with heavy county commitments would likely suffer during the season, that they would at least have a full-squad opportunity to retain their league status.

We all know that long Down summer is unlikely this year. But the availability of players is going to be sore point for a few clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 11, 2022, 09:57:15 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 11, 2022, 09:44:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 11, 2022, 09:15:56 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 10, 2022, 08:57:15 PM
I'm really not sure why points are retained for what is in effect a separate competition. But apart from that gripe it makes for one very exciting season.

So you think that a team who finishes in 5th after the first round had 10 points should start the second round of fixtures with a team who has zero points Clubs have not thought this true properly and trust me there will be a lot of complaints about this format. When the league starts there will be a raft of Down seniors who are fringe players who will leave the panel if they are starred. Down senior team is always hampered by the senior leagues.  If you make the league final you will have played a team 4 times before the start of the championship. Familiarity breeds contempt.

Sometimes I wonder what sort of clowns vote for these things.

The problem here Truth is with perspective, and whether you believe it's one competition or multiple competitions. I believe it's the latter, except it's been infected by the former.

——

For over a decade after the starred system came into Down football, the leagues operated like this:

- 12 teams per division (with d4 usually smaller)

- Top 4 round robin playoffs for titles / promotion.

- Bottom 4 round robin playoffs for relegation.

And throughout this time, never once did anyone ever suggest, "maybe everyone should start the playoffs with their league points carried over". Do you know why? Because it would have been batshit mad to do so. They wouldn't have been playoffs. Half the games wouldn't even have been played due to foregone conclusions.

——

Personally, I believe that when we choose to split a season and create new leagues based on positions at a point in time, it is not a continuation of a competition. It's the creation of a new one.

This belief is compounded by the simple, inarguable fact that the principle of starred games only worked successfully in tandem with playoffs, as it meant that although clubs with heavy county commitments would likely suffer during the season, that they would at least have a full-squad opportunity to retain their league status.

We all know that long Down summer is unlikely this year. But the availability of players is going to be sore point for a few clubs.

I do get what you are saying and I fully agree that the availability of the players is going to be massive and will hurt a lot of clubs. Take Gilmore out of St Johns forward line for example, holy christ. Is it fair to penalize Clonduff for having 4 or 5 county players?
The correct thing was to play the full league,
They should have played a lot of Fridays and Mondays. The players love games and it would be better playing a Monday night game than to run around Castlewellan lake.
The fairest thing would have been a full league. This is not a fair system and I fear it could hamper our county squad.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on February 11, 2022, 11:18:10 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 11, 2022, 09:57:15 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 11, 2022, 09:44:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 11, 2022, 09:15:56 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 10, 2022, 08:57:15 PM
I'm really not sure why points are retained for what is in effect a separate competition. But apart from that gripe it makes for one very exciting season.

So you think that a team who finishes in 5th after the first round had 10 points should start the second round of fixtures with a team who has zero points Clubs have not thought this true properly and trust me there will be a lot of complaints about this format. When the league starts there will be a raft of Down seniors who are fringe players who will leave the panel if they are starred. Down senior team is always hampered by the senior leagues.  If you make the league final you will have played a team 4 times before the start of the championship. Familiarity breeds contempt.

Sometimes I wonder what sort of clowns vote for these things.

The problem here Truth is with perspective, and whether you believe it's one competition or multiple competitions. I believe it's the latter, except it's been infected by the former.

——

For over a decade after the starred system came into Down football, the leagues operated like this:

- 12 teams per division (with d4 usually smaller)

- Top 4 round robin playoffs for titles / promotion.

- Bottom 4 round robin playoffs for relegation.

And throughout this time, never once did anyone ever suggest, "maybe everyone should start the playoffs with their league points carried over". Do you know why? Because it would have been batshit mad to do so. They wouldn't have been playoffs. Half the games wouldn't even have been played due to foregone conclusions.

——

Personally, I believe that when we choose to split a season and create new leagues based on positions at a point in time, it is not a continuation of a competition. It's the creation of a new one.

This belief is compounded by the simple, inarguable fact that the principle of starred games only worked successfully in tandem with playoffs, as it meant that although clubs with heavy county commitments would likely suffer during the season, that they would at least have a full-squad opportunity to retain their league status.

We all know that long Down summer is unlikely this year. But the availability of players is going to be sore point for a few clubs.

I do get what you are saying and I fully agree that the availability of the players is going to be massive and will hurt a lot of clubs. Take Gilmore out of St Johns forward line for example, holy christ. Is it fair to penalize Clonduff for having 4 or 5 county players?
The correct thing was to play the full league,
They should have played a lot of Fridays and Mondays. The players love games and it would be better playing a Monday night game than to run around Castlewellan lake.
The fairest thing would have been a full league. This is not a fair system and I fear it could hamper our county squad.
How many starred games is there ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 11, 2022, 12:10:38 PM
I believe there are definitely 5 starred games before the county players are back but if we get out a good run then there will be more. If Down beat Ulster it could be 7 and if they reach an Ulster final it's 9. The Taitleann cup final is early July as well and I hope we are not in that but again it could cause complications.
Was this unanimously for lat night? Do clubs not see how this will affect them or am I going mad? Was anyone here at the meeting?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 11, 2022, 12:20:49 PM
My god - you all had a club rep at the meeting when this was voted for. Obviously the majority of the vote wins lads - it's an age old tradition. Instead of coming up with problems this system has - how about giving some solutions we can use going forward... We can't play the full league - that is very evident - so that's not a solution. In theory playing a game every Friday and some Friday/Monday fixtures would be fantastic. But what about the traditional reasons for getting matches off - stag parties, weddings, funerals of club legends, hurling etc etc - where do we squeeze these games in?? THERE ARE NO WEEKENDS FREE!! The complainers at various clubs will complain no matter what - but don't jump on a bandwagon just for the sake of it. Make sure ur club is not on the wrong side of the league split by putting in the necessary work on the training pitch and keeping points or having no points won't have any impact on ya.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 11, 2022, 12:50:18 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 11, 2022, 12:20:49 PM
My god - you all had a club rep at the meeting when this was voted for. Obviously the majority of the vote wins lads - it's an age old tradition. Instead of coming up with problems this system has - how about giving some solutions we can use going forward... We can't play the full league - that is very evident - so that's not a solution. In theory playing a game every Friday and some Friday/Monday fixtures would be fantastic. But what about the traditional reasons for getting matches off - stag parties, weddings, funerals of club legends, hurling etc etc - where do we squeeze these games in?? THERE ARE NO WEEKENDS FREE!! The complainers at various clubs will complain no matter what - but don't jump on a bandwagon just for the sake of it. Make sure ur club is not on the wrong side of the league split by putting in the necessary work on the training pitch and keeping points or having no points won't have any impact on ya.

I'm actually not complaining about the system. It's a seismic improvement on the mooted 16 team D1.

I just find it strange that points are carried across from a qualifying competition to a final competition. Does this happen in any other sport / league you can think of?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on February 11, 2022, 01:17:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 11, 2022, 12:50:18 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 11, 2022, 12:20:49 PM
My god - you all had a club rep at the meeting when this was voted for. Obviously the majority of the vote wins lads - it's an age old tradition. Instead of coming up with problems this system has - how about giving some solutions we can use going forward... We can't play the full league - that is very evident - so that's not a solution. In theory playing a game every Friday and some Friday/Monday fixtures would be fantastic. But what about the traditional reasons for getting matches off - stag parties, weddings, funerals of club legends, hurling etc etc - where do we squeeze these games in?? THERE ARE NO WEEKENDS FREE!! The complainers at various clubs will complain no matter what - but don't jump on a bandwagon just for the sake of it. Make sure ur club is not on the wrong side of the league split by putting in the necessary work on the training pitch and keeping points or having no points won't have any impact on ya.



I'm actually not complaining about the system. It's a seismic improvement on the mooted 16 team D1.

I just find it strange that points are carried across from a qualifying competition to a final competition. Does this happen in any other sport / league you can think of?

SPL split not work like that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on February 11, 2022, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on February 11, 2022, 01:17:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 11, 2022, 12:50:18 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 11, 2022, 12:20:49 PM
My god - you all had a club rep at the meeting when this was voted for. Obviously the majority of the vote wins lads - it's an age old tradition. Instead of coming up with problems this system has - how about giving some solutions we can use going forward... We can't play the full league - that is very evident - so that's not a solution. In theory playing a game every Friday and some Friday/Monday fixtures would be fantastic. But what about the traditional reasons for getting matches off - stag parties, weddings, funerals of club legends, hurling etc etc - where do we squeeze these games in?? THERE ARE NO WEEKENDS FREE!! The complainers at various clubs will complain no matter what - but don't jump on a bandwagon just for the sake of it. Make sure ur club is not on the wrong side of the league split by putting in the necessary work on the training pitch and keeping points or having no points won't have any impact on ya.



I'm actually not complaining about the system. It's a seismic improvement on the mooted 16 team D1.

I just find it strange that points are carried across from a qualifying competition to a final competition. Does this happen in any other sport / league you can think of?

SPL split not work like that?

I think the same happens for soccer in the north.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 11, 2022, 01:46:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 11, 2022, 12:50:18 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 11, 2022, 12:20:49 PM
My god - you all had a club rep at the meeting when this was voted for. Obviously the majority of the vote wins lads - it's an age old tradition. Instead of coming up with problems this system has - how about giving some solutions we can use going forward... We can't play the full league - that is very evident - so that's not a solution. In theory playing a game every Friday and some Friday/Monday fixtures would be fantastic. But what about the traditional reasons for getting matches off - stag parties, weddings, funerals of club legends, hurling etc etc - where do we squeeze these games in?? THERE ARE NO WEEKENDS FREE!! The complainers at various clubs will complain no matter what - but don't jump on a bandwagon just for the sake of it. Make sure ur club is not on the wrong side of the league split by putting in the necessary work on the training pitch and keeping points or having no points won't have any impact on ya.

I'm actually not complaining about the system. It's a seismic improvement on the mooted 16 team D1.

I just find it strange that points are carried across from a qualifying competition to a final competition. Does this happen in any other sport / league you can think of?

It might not be perfect, and I don't believe there needed to be such a rush to balance the numbers in each division for next year, but carrying the points over makes sense in that if a team in the lower end had a good win against a top team in the initial stages, they get to keep the reward from that (2 points) when they are entering what is effectively relegation playoffs. It would be unfair to have what may be the best result in the team's season not rewarded at the end of it all. It could be what keeps them up.

Again I point to Div 3, with 5 down from 8. Imagine you finish fourth in that group by 1 point, and end up in division 4, having had a win against Shamrocks or Drumgath prior to that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 11, 2022, 02:30:10 PM
There will be a lot of complaints about this after the first few games mark my words. It was pushed through by the county board to stop them from getting hassle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 11, 2022, 03:22:02 PM
So IFA and SFL both use this system?

Does it work well? Obviously it's not very good at making the top half of the Scottish league any more competitive.... But is it well received in terms of relegation battles?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 11, 2022, 03:48:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 11, 2022, 03:22:02 PM
So IFA and SFL both use this system?

Does it work well? Obviously it's not very good at making the top half of the Scottish league any more competitive.... But is it well received in terms of relegation battles?

There would be too many dead rubbers?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 11, 2022, 04:35:50 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 11, 2022, 02:30:10 PM
There will be a lot of complaints about this after the first few games mark my words. It was pushed through by the county board to stop them from getting hassle.

After the first few games, when a bad performance and a defeat has someone in danger of not being at the top end of the table. They would have to complain openly now if they wanted to avoid looking like they are throwing the toys out of the pram if things aren't going their way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 11, 2022, 04:44:28 PM
Div 2 is fine.Stop the gurnin! As someone said -you all have County delegates.Did any of you speak to any of them before last night's vote?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on February 11, 2022, 05:57:14 PM
There's never going to be a perfect system that everyone is happy with TH but I don't think it is accurate to say county board pushed things through. They asked for solutions from the clubs weeks ago and again last week . I don't think they could have left a decision any later than last night, as we are only 8 weeks off league start and they have to get a calendar out to allow players , coaches and clubs to plan. If there was a better solution taking all the relevant factors into account Ccc would have welcomed it, and indeed their proposal took on board clubs' concerns. There are several factors which should influence decisions on league structures and tbf it's CCC's job to take these into account .   Like every county board , Our county board is subject to a lot of criticism , but you only have to speak to gaels from outside of Down, to hear how well regarded our club structures are nationally . Our county champions are playing in All ireland final again on Thursday , and they have had several of their most competitive games in Down. Surely those  that have given us the club structures that produced this level of club competitiveness must be given some credit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 11, 2022, 07:46:29 PM
Quote from: sdg on February 11, 2022, 11:18:10 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 11, 2022, 09:57:15 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 11, 2022, 09:44:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 11, 2022, 09:15:56 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 10, 2022, 08:57:15 PM
I'm really not sure why points are retained for what is in effect a separate competition. But apart from that gripe it makes for one very exciting season.

So you think that a team who finishes in 5th after the first round had 10 points should start the second round of fixtures with a team who has zero points Clubs have not thought this true properly and trust me there will be a lot of complaints about this format. When the league starts there will be a raft of Down seniors who are fringe players who will leave the panel if they are starred. Down senior team is always hampered by the senior leagues.  If you make the league final you will have played a team 4 times before the start of the championship. Familiarity breeds contempt.

Sometimes I wonder what sort of clowns vote for these things.

The problem here Truth is with perspective, and whether you believe it's one competition or multiple competitions. I believe it's the latter, except it's been infected by the former.

——

For over a decade after the starred system came into Down football, the leagues operated like this:

- 12 teams per division (with d4 usually smaller)

- Top 4 round robin playoffs for titles / promotion.

- Bottom 4 round robin playoffs for relegation.

And throughout this time, never once did anyone ever suggest, "maybe everyone should start the playoffs with their league points carried over". Do you know why? Because it would have been batshit mad to do so. They wouldn't have been playoffs. Half the games wouldn't even have been played due to foregone conclusions.

——

Personally, I believe that when we choose to split a season and create new leagues based on positions at a point in time, it is not a continuation of a competition. It's the creation of a new one.

This belief is compounded by the simple, inarguable fact that the principle of starred games only worked successfully in tandem with playoffs, as it meant that although clubs with heavy county commitments would likely suffer during the season, that they would at least have a full-squad opportunity to retain their league status.

We all know that long Down summer is unlikely this year. But the availability of players is going to be sore point for a few clubs.

I do get what you are saying and I fully agree that the availability of the players is going to be massive and will hurt a lot of clubs. Take Gilmore out of St Johns forward line for example, holy christ. Is it fair to penalize Clonduff for having 4 or 5 county players?
The correct thing was to play the full league,
They should have played a lot of Fridays and Mondays. The players love games and it would be better playing a Monday night game than to run around Castlewellan lake.
The fairest thing would have been a full league. This is not a fair system and I fear it could hamper our county squad.
How many starred games is there ?

As mentioned by several posters already, there are no starred games as such. With the new split season, clubs will play totally without their county players until their county season is over. The way we are currently going means that in all likelihood we will be in the Tailteann Cup and would be one of the favourites for this, this final is scheduled for 9th July so if Down were to reach this, any County player would not play for their club until after this. For many, the league will be well and truly over by the time the county men kick a ball for their club. Again, the clubs voted for this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 11, 2022, 07:46:58 PM
Good Luck to Kilcoo tomorrow. Hope they win it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 11, 2022, 08:35:54 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 11, 2022, 07:46:58 PM
Good Luck to Kilcoo tomorrow. Hope they win it.
+1. Good luck Kilcoo, hopefully they can win it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 11, 2022, 10:02:11 PM
Yes, good luck to Kilcoo for tomorrow. Also congratulations to fellow clubman and club chair Malcolm MacFarlane on his  GAA President's Award, great accolade for him for the work he has put into the club and wider community.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on February 11, 2022, 10:35:07 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on February 11, 2022, 10:02:11 PM
Yes, good luck to Kilcoo for tomorrow. Also congratulations to fellow clubman and club chair Malcolm MacFarlane on his  GAA President's Award, great accolade for him for the work he has put into the club and wider community.

Good luck to Kilcoo, would be great to see them win the ultimate accolade in club football. Delighted for Malcolm ,well deserved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: seafoid on February 12, 2022, 07:25:53 AM
Kilcoo abú.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 12, 2022, 11:18:30 AM
Best of luck to the magpies today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: cokers on February 12, 2022, 03:24:33 PM
Good luck to Kilcoo today! 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 12, 2022, 05:07:13 PM
They look nervous just there singing the anthem
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 12, 2022, 05:49:57 PM
f**king hell.. Someone tell Kilcoo they've an All-Ireland final today, pure muck so far
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on February 12, 2022, 07:01:08 PM
How did they win that? Incredible spirit!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Onthe40 on February 12, 2022, 07:02:32 PM
Killmacud keeper shocking
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on February 12, 2022, 07:05:18 PM
So so happy for Kilkoo their finally over the line. No mater what happens from now on Kilkoo have got their All Ireland and no one can take it from them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on February 12, 2022, 07:11:45 PM
Quote from: Onthe40 on February 12, 2022, 07:02:32 PM
Killmacud keeper shocking
He was played into a corner; but credit to Kilcoo for keeping the pressure when it seemed a lost cause. And also the beautiful kick-pass from Sheelin Johnson
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Newbridge Exile on February 12, 2022, 07:11:57 PM
No doubt it has been asked before but how many Kilcoo players are on the Down Panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on February 12, 2022, 07:12:10 PM
🏁🏆🍻
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 12, 2022, 07:13:12 PM
Absolutely nuts. Probably the worst team performance (especially their forwards) in 5 years. But they won't care and nor should they. Congrats Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 12, 2022, 07:13:36 PM
Brilliant spirit from kilcoo, never say die. Looked beat in first half and again in extra time. Congratulations to all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2022, 07:40:41 PM
That was the worst Kilcoo have played in about three years and yet they are All Ireland champions. What probably made the difference was that they are so used to extra time and will never panic under any circumstances. Ryan Johnson managed to miss from two yards out with their last attack but Jerome, even on one leg for most of the match, knew where the goal was. One brother owes the other a pint tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 12, 2022, 09:14:57 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 12, 2022, 07:40:41 PM
That was the worst Kilcoo have played in about three years and yet they are All Ireland champions. What probably made the difference was that they are so used to extra time and will never panic under any circumstances. Ryan Johnson managed to miss from two yards out with their last attack but Jerome, even on one leg for most of the match, knew where the goal was. One brother owes the other a pint tonight.

I doubt either of them will need to put the hand in the pocket for a pint for a while now. Great composure as always, and even not at their best the belief they have is amazing. Credit to Devlin, missed 2 easy scores at the start but scored at the death to level it. Also good to see Moran finally win that elusive cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 12, 2022, 11:21:55 PM
Was in Croke pk this evening. Has club finals day ever had such dramatic endings. At HT kilcoo looked dead and buried but you can never write then off. Unbelievable spirit and determination. Poor in 1st half infront of the posts but they weren't leaving croke pk without the cup. Congratulations to a great team and club. You've done yourselves proud. And Down is delighted for you. Most of us anyway. Up the Magpies
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on February 12, 2022, 11:25:34 PM
Wow!
What an incredible performance, resilience , never say die, leadership and ultimately quality to get the goal they needed.
It's some boost to Down to say we have best football club in Ireland , and several clubs in Down will feel they aren't far away.
Down football can now take their lead from Kilcoo's  determination and commitment to quality..
How good it was to see the smiles on the faces of Kilcoo players and volunteers who have put in years of hard work to get the ultimate  accolade. An example to
Us all. Comhghairdeas Cill Chua, just reward for years of hard work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 09:51:17 AM
Well done Kilcoo, they luck was with ye but you make your own luck.
A lot of retirements on the cards along with Mickey but I am hearing they will try to keep him on but the traveling is too much. Apparently, if Mickey goes the whole team will go. What he is done for Kilcoo is amazing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 14, 2022, 10:12:08 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 09:51:17 AM
Well done Kilcoo, they luck was with ye but you make your own luck.
A lot of retirements on the cards along with Mickey but I am hearing they will try to keep him on but the traveling is too much. Apparently, if Mickey goes the whole team will go. What he is done for Kilcoo is amazing.

If Mickey goes the whole team will go - so they won't field at all this year?? Strange...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 10:18:52 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 14, 2022, 10:12:08 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 09:51:17 AM
Well done Kilcoo, they luck was with ye but you make your own luck.
A lot of retirements on the cards along with Mickey but I am hearing they will try to keep him on but the traveling is too much. Apparently, if Mickey goes the whole team will go. What he is done for Kilcoo is amazing.

If Mickey goes the whole team will go - so they won't field at all this year?? Strange...

I mean the managerial team ffs!
WHy does Brolly hate Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on February 14, 2022, 10:21:37 AM
well done to kilcoo, most of south down wont be happy though  ;)
On another note our county footballers were beaten well by an armagh second string outfit on saturday morning
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 10:53:07 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on February 14, 2022, 10:21:37 AM
well done to kilcoo, most of south down wont be happy though  ;)
On another note our county footballers were beaten well by an armagh second string outfit on saturday morning

Was it not the Down subs playing as well?
The south Down big guns are raging prob due to envy which is understandable but tbh there was support from all over the county on Saturday and I saw people from most clubs there. Hopefully, the Kilcoo players weigh in behind the county now as the whole of the county gave them their support. I hope they return the favour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 14, 2022, 10:59:58 AM
There were a lot of Down folk there sat night. I saw Burren hats, Clonduff hats, Castlewellan also. And a lot of Down gear. So Kilcoo were well supported by alot of their fellow County men.  Possibly that supposed hatred from some clubs drove Kilcoo on even more. Time to channel that hatred and compete with Kilcoo. Again congrats to the Magpies
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 12:40:45 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 14, 2022, 10:59:58 AM
There were a lot of Down folk there sat night. I saw Burren hats, Clonduff hats, Castlewellan also. And a lot of Down gear. So Kilcoo were well supported by alot of their fellow County men.  Possibly that supposed hatred from some clubs drove Kilcoo on even more. Time to channel that hatred and compete with Kilcoo. Again congrats to the Magpies
I seen Liatriom and Town men, Finn men, Annaclone, even Clonduff and Bridge men there. It was a good united front for the county. There is admiration for them. Moran has changed them and cut out the crap which has caused so much hatred towards them in the county especially the sledging.
But that is gone now, Its time for us all to come together to stay in Divison 2 and make Down great again. Kilcoo winning shows how good our championship is. We have the footballers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 12:46:17 PM
My team for sun
Charlie , Finn, Ryan, Darren, Anto Doc, McP, Mooney, Ward, Odhran, Barry, Kerr, Shealan, Jerome, Corey, Gilly

Loads of pace and defense steadier
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clubman21 on February 14, 2022, 12:56:48 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 12:46:17 PM
My team for sun
Charlie , Finn, Ryan, Darren, Anto Doc, McP, Mooney, Ward, Odhran, Barry, Kerr, Shealan, Jerome, Corey, Gilly

Loads of pace and defense steadier
No chance of kilcoo players featuring this weekend surely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 14, 2022, 01:30:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 12:46:17 PM
My team for sun
Charlie , Finn, Ryan, Darren, Anto Doc, McP, Mooney, Ward, Odhran, Barry, Kerr, Shealan, Jerome, Corey, Gilly

Loads of pace and defense steadier

Would you not give the Kilcoo lads a week or two off considering they've been on the go non-stop for a long time! I'm sure they have a few knocks that they can finally rest and recover from too, plus a huge and well earned hangover.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 01:45:12 PM
let them party to Wednesday then sober them up for the crunch tie on Sunday, maybe they will be buzzing to play. Would Eugene Brannigan commit to the county? Big Choc committed before and so did Niall, was there ever a reason the others never committed. It would be interesting to see if they would be as effective against top-class players every week. They are class players but there is a massive gulf between club and county.
I am really looking forward to Sundays games, A few forwards back in the team will make some difference, I do think we were set up well v Galway, we just did not have the players to execute,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on February 14, 2022, 06:15:36 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 01:45:12 PM
let them party to Wednesday then sober them up for the crunch tie on Sunday, maybe they will be buzzing to play. Would Eugene Brannigan commit to the county? Big Choc committed before and so did Niall, was there ever a reason the others never committed. It would be interesting to see if they would be as effective against top-class players every week. They are class players but there is a massive gulf between club and county.
I am really looking forward to Sundays games, A few forwards back in the team will make some difference, I do think we were set up well v Galway, we just did not have the players to execute,

You really need to get a life.. No kilcoo players be involved for a while and neither should they be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 14, 2022, 06:38:19 PM
They might come in for the last couple of league games. Those guys need a couple of weeks off. It's been all go for them for a while. Think jerome has fluid on the knee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 2badteams on February 14, 2022, 07:03:53 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on February 14, 2022, 06:15:36 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 01:45:12 PM
let them party to Wednesday then sober them up for the crunch tie on Sunday, maybe they will be buzzing to play. Would Eugene Brannigan commit to the county? Big Choc committed before and so did Niall, was there ever a reason the others never committed. It would be interesting to see if they would be as effective against top-class players every week. They are class players but there is a massive gulf between club and county.
I am really looking forward to Sundays games, A few forwards back in the team will make some difference, I do think we were set up well v Galway, we just did not have the players to execute,

You really need to get a life.. No kilcoo players be involved for a while and neither should they be.

Agreed. Let them enjoy their time on the beer for gods sake
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on February 14, 2022, 07:52:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 01:45:12 PM
let them party to Wednesday then sober them up for the crunch tie on Sunday, maybe they will be buzzing to play. Would Eugene Brannigan commit to the county? Big Choc committed before and so did Niall, was there ever a reason the others never committed. It would be interesting to see if they would be as effective against top-class players every week. They are class players but there is a massive gulf between club and county.
I am really looking forward to Sundays games, A few forwards back in the team will make some difference, I do think we were set up well v Galway, we just did not have the players to execute,

East downs smurphy. In fact you probably are smurphy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blowitupref on February 14, 2022, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on February 14, 2022, 06:15:36 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 01:45:12 PM
let them party to Wednesday then sober them up for the crunch tie on Sunday, maybe they will be buzzing to play. Would Eugene Brannigan commit to the county? Big Choc committed before and so did Niall, was there ever a reason the others never committed. It would be interesting to see if they would be as effective against top-class players every week. They are class players but there is a massive gulf between club and county.
I am really looking forward to Sundays games, A few forwards back in the team will make some difference, I do think we were set up well v Galway, we just did not have the players to execute,

You really need to get a life.. No kilcoo players be involved for a while and neither should they be.

Can imagine they'll be given this week off then back to training to be involved for the round 4 home game against Roscommon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 14, 2022, 11:51:40 PM
I'd be shocked in a kilcoo player lines out for Down before the middle of March at least. None on the Branagans will be involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 15, 2022, 08:46:36 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on February 14, 2022, 07:52:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 01:45:12 PM
let them party to Wednesday then sober them up for the crunch tie on Sunday, maybe they will be buzzing to play. Would Eugene Brannigan commit to the county? Big Choc committed before and so did Niall, was there ever a reason the others never committed. It would be interesting to see if they would be as effective against top-class players every week. They are class players but there is a massive gulf between club and county.
I am really looking forward to Sundays games, A few forwards back in the team will make some difference, I do think we were set up well v Galway, we just did not have the players to execute,

East downs smurphy. In fact you probably are smurphy.

I am nothing like the voice of South Down, I state the truth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 15, 2022, 02:42:00 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10
Any of the 13 players that started both league fixtures and has a combined score below 11 should be replaced for Sunday and someone else given a chance.How else are we going to improve?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 15, 2022, 03:33:23 PM
Does anyone know if Breannain McComiskey got a county trial?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 15, 2022, 03:47:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 15, 2022, 03:33:23 PM
Does anyone know if Breannain McComiskey got a county trial?

Surely you would know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on February 15, 2022, 03:53:07 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 10:18:52 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 14, 2022, 10:12:08 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 14, 2022, 09:51:17 AM
Well done Kilcoo, they luck was with ye but you make your own luck.
A lot of retirements on the cards along with Mickey but I am hearing they will try to keep him on but the traveling is too much. Apparently, if Mickey goes the whole team will go. What he is done for Kilcoo is amazing.

If Mickey goes the whole team will go - so they won't field at all this year?? Strange...

I mean the managerial team ffs!
WHy does Brolly hate Kilcoo

Brolly despises Moran from 94 / 94 antics are what I can gather. He's far from  fan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 15, 2022, 04:49:31 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 15, 2022, 03:33:23 PM
Does anyone know if Breannain McComiskey got a county trial?

Unless he won it in a Kelloggs Cornflakes competition I would seriously doubt it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 15, 2022, 06:19:20 PM
Kingdom looking for new management team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: nrico2006 on February 15, 2022, 07:29:39 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on February 14, 2022, 10:21:37 AM
well done to kilcoo, most of south down wont be happy though  ;)
On another note our county footballers were beaten well by an armagh second string outfit on saturday morning

There were quite a number of starters playing, including Mooney.  Armagh's side was essentially a team made up of players who hadn't played in the league so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 15, 2022, 08:41:50 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 15, 2022, 03:33:23 PM
Does anyone know if Breannain McComiskey got a county trial?
Is he not from your neck of the woods? The East
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on February 15, 2022, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 15, 2022, 06:19:20 PM
Kingdom looking for new management team

Is Bernie Ruane not with them again?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on February 16, 2022, 11:19:57 AM
Conor laverty stating he is not for retiring!
What kilcoo players do we think will join up with the down squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clubman21 on February 16, 2022, 11:26:29 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on February 16, 2022, 11:19:57 AM
Conor laverty stating he is not for retiring!
What kilcoo players do we think will join up with the down squad?
3 jonhstons, mcevoy, ward, devlin, doherty and rooney deserving of a go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: smort on February 16, 2022, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: clubman21 on February 16, 2022, 11:26:29 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on February 16, 2022, 11:19:57 AM
Conor laverty stating he is not for retiring!
What kilcoo players do we think will join up with the down squad?
3 jonhstons, mcevoy, ward, devlin, doherty and rooney deserving of a go.

are the branagans not interested? i'm an outsider btw, don't know if there are politics are anything involved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clubman21 on February 16, 2022, 11:34:13 AM
Quote from: smort on February 16, 2022, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: clubman21 on February 16, 2022, 11:26:29 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on February 16, 2022, 11:19:57 AM
Conor laverty stating he is not for retiring!
What kilcoo players do we think will join up with the down squad?
3 jonhstons, mcevoy, ward, devlin, doherty and rooney deserving of a go.

are the branagans not interested? i'm an outsider btw, don't know if there are politics are anything involved
Eugene and Daryl definitely good enough just don't think it's for them. Would be great to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on February 16, 2022, 02:00:25 PM
With Kilcoo now All Ireland Champions the question is can anyone realistically expect to beat these men or are we set for another decade of dominance from Kilcoo? Personally can't see any team stopping them in Down for the foreseeable and not sure if this is a good or bad thing. It has to be said they have taken the whole approach to club football up to a serious level and I'm not sure many teams have the appetite to compete with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 16, 2022, 02:08:43 PM
Quote from: thebar on February 16, 2022, 02:00:25 PM
With Kilcoo now All Ireland Champions the question is can anyone realistically expect to beat these men or are we set for another decade of dominance from Kilcoo? Personally can't see any team stopping them in Down for the foreseeable and not sure if this is a good or bad thing. It has to be said they have taken the whole approach to club football up to a serious level and I'm not sure many teams have the appetite to compete with it.

Bryansford dominated
Burren dominated
Mayobridge dominated
This is Kilcoos time, it will come to an end sometime, that's just a fact of life. It's the middle of February, in two months there is a league to be played for, a new championship to be played for in August, that's only 6 months away! Teams should be excited that there is a chance to play the all Ireland champions this season. It's a free go!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 16, 2022, 02:13:38 PM
Quote from: thebar on February 16, 2022, 02:00:25 PM
With Kilcoo now All Ireland Champions the question is can anyone realistically expect to beat these men or are we set for another decade of dominance from Kilcoo? Personally can't see any team stopping them in Down for the foreseeable and not sure if this is a good or bad thing. It has to be said they have taken the whole approach to club football up to a serious level and I'm not sure many teams have the appetite to compete with it.

They definitely can be beat they've a glaring weakness in defence that if management teams planned properly could expose with good free-takers and the exploitation of the Mark Rule. The full back line doesn't have the legs and sit quite narrow so using the mark to get the ball out wide would allow teams to tip over points providing they've reliable scorers from the dead ball
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on February 16, 2022, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 16, 2022, 02:13:38 PM
Quote from: thebar on February 16, 2022, 02:00:25 PM
With Kilcoo now All Ireland Champions the question is can anyone realistically expect to beat these men or are we set for another decade of dominance from Kilcoo? Personally can't see any team stopping them in Down for the foreseeable and not sure if this is a good or bad thing. It has to be said they have taken the whole approach to club football up to a serious level and I'm not sure many teams have the appetite to compete with it.

They definitely can be beat they've a glaring weakness in defence that if management teams planned properly could expose with good free-takers and the exploitation of the Mark Rule. The full back line doesn't have the legs and sit quite narrow so using the mark to get the ball out wide would allow teams to tip over points providing they've reliable scorers from the dead ball

McEvoy is a serious athlete at FB. Moran uses him very much like he did Rogers at Slaughtneil to break forward and create initial overlaps for Branagan x2 to thrive on. I'd agree though that the mark could be an option to exploit them. However kicking under that sustained pressure and into a wall of defenders isn't easy. I think the keeper should be targeted by teams more. In the first 10/15 minutes against us (Glen) I couldn't get over the intensity of Kilcoo. However once our boys settled they definitely began to work them out better. Is it a case of Burren & Warrenpoint being excellent teams or does familiarity with Kilcoo's style of play/knowing how to play against it ensure they push them close in the Down championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on February 16, 2022, 03:03:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 16, 2022, 02:08:43 PM
Quote from: thebar on February 16, 2022, 02:00:25 PM
With Kilcoo now All Ireland Champions the question is can anyone realistically expect to beat these men or are we set for another decade of dominance from Kilcoo? Personally can't see any team stopping them in Down for the foreseeable and not sure if this is a good or bad thing. It has to be said they have taken the whole approach to club football up to a serious level and I'm not sure many teams have the appetite to compete with it.

Bryansford dominated
Burren dominated
Mayobridge dominated
This is Kilcoos time, it will come to an end sometime, that's just a fact of life. It's the middle of February, in two months there is a league to be played for, a new championship to be played for in August, that's only 6 months away! Teams should be excited that there is a chance to play the all Ireland champions this season. It's a free go!

Correct bud but being honest those 3 teams you named dominated for a decade before the those great teams naturally broke up due to age and had nothing coming after them at that level. Kilcoo have had a decade of dominance (more even) and as opposed to coming to an end they have just won an All Ireland with more in the tank for the future so its to simplistic to say Kilcoo's time will come to an end some time...of course it will but they aren't taking the foot of the pedal any time soon. Could they dominant for another decade? Wouldn't rule it out. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 16, 2022, 04:51:19 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 16, 2022, 02:13:38 PM
Quote from: thebar on February 16, 2022, 02:00:25 PM
With Kilcoo now All Ireland Champions the question is can anyone realistically expect to beat these men or are we set for another decade of dominance from Kilcoo? Personally can't see any team stopping them in Down for the foreseeable and not sure if this is a good or bad thing. It has to be said they have taken the whole approach to club football up to a serious level and I'm not sure many teams have the appetite to compete with it.

They definitely can be beat they've a glaring weakness in defence that if management teams planned properly could expose with good free-takers and the exploitation of the Mark Rule. The full back line doesn't have the legs and sit quite narrow so using the mark to get the ball out wide would allow teams to tip over points providing they've reliable scorers from the dead ball

It's a shame for Kilmacud you weren't along the line for them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 16, 2022, 05:35:13 PM


McEvoy is a serious athlete at FB. Moran uses him very much like he did Rogers at Slaughtneil to break forward and create initial overlaps for Branagan x2 to thrive on. I'd agree though that the mark could be an option to exploit them. However kicking under that sustained pressure and into a wall of defenders isn't easy. I think the keeper should be targeted by teams more. In the first 10/15 minutes against us (Glen) I couldn't get over the intensity of Kilcoo. However once our boys settled they definitely began to work them out better. Is it a case of Burren & Warrenpoint being excellent teams or does familiarity with Kilcoo's style of play/knowing how to play against it ensure they push them close in the Down championship?
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If ur saying these two are excellent teams - Kilcoo must be off the charts. It's actually worrying for us as a county that they are winning an all Ireland 13 years after their dominance began. I spent a while today listening to Laverty's podcast with BBC. Very enjoyable I must say. Lads not drinking for years and training like the hammers of hell individually and collectively has taken them to the top. Whilst it wasn't really a surprise to me that hard work won it - what are the rest of us doing as clubs?
Speaking about my own club - there are so many personalities training underage teams that no one in their right mind wud be underage development officer and try to implement what's necessary to feed into a senior team. There would be clashes galore between football and hurling and from one manager to the next about what their teams should be doing at certain stages of development.  At senior level we have a bunch of men/boys who gripe at everything. They want to win so so bad - but are they willing to really put their lives on hold to get over the line - I don't think they are. I honestly feel this is how high the bar has now been set by Kilcoo. If your lads are not willing to make sacrifices beyond the normal training 2/3 times per week etc - they will not dine at the top table..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on February 16, 2022, 06:35:56 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 16, 2022, 04:51:19 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 16, 2022, 02:13:38 PM
Quote from: thebar on February 16, 2022, 02:00:25 PM
With Kilcoo now All Ireland Champions the question is can anyone realistically expect to beat these men or are we set for another decade of dominance from Kilcoo? Personally can't see any team stopping them in Down for the foreseeable and not sure if this is a good or bad thing. It has to be said they have taken the whole approach to club football up to a serious level and I'm not sure many teams have the appetite to compete with it.

They definitely can be beat they've a glaring weakness in defence that if management teams planned properly could expose with good free-takers and the exploitation of the Mark Rule. The full back line doesn't have the legs and sit quite narrow so using the mark to get the ball out wide would allow teams to tip over points providing they've reliable scorers from the dead ball

It's a shame for Kilmacud you weren't along the line for them!
X2 LOL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on February 16, 2022, 07:04:20 PM
Is it worth 'putting your life on hold?' Football is supposed to be a hobby; young lads should be travelling the world  while they have the chance and starting their careers, older men should be putting their families first.
But once one team does it (weight training/fitness coaches/psychologists/managers being paid substantial amounts), every team has to do it and it takes the enjoyment out of the game. No wonder that many clubs are even having trouble fielding a 2nds team, when every club should be concentrating on keeping lads interested.

I absolutely respect Kilcoo's success btw; incredible spirit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on February 16, 2022, 07:17:19 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 16, 2022, 05:35:13 PM


McEvoy is a serious athlete at FB. Moran uses him very much like he did Rogers at Slaughtneil to break forward and create initial overlaps for Branagan x2 to thrive on. I'd agree though that the mark could be an option to exploit them. However kicking under that sustained pressure and into a wall of defenders isn't easy. I think the keeper should be targeted by teams more. In the first 10/15 minutes against us (Glen) I couldn't get over the intensity of Kilcoo. However once our boys settled they definitely began to work them out better. Is it a case of Burren & Warrenpoint being excellent teams or does familiarity with Kilcoo's style of play/knowing how to play against it ensure they push them close in the Down championship?

If ur saying these two are excellent teams - Kilcoo must be off the charts. It's actually worrying for us as a county that they are winning an all Ireland 13 years after their dominance began. I spent a while today listening to Laverty's podcast with BBC. Very enjoyable I must say. Lads not drinking for years and training like the hammers of hell individually and collectively has taken them to the top. Whilst it wasn't really a surprise to me that hard work won it - what are the rest of us doing as clubs?
Speaking about my own club - there are so many personalities training underage teams that no one in their right mind wud be underage development officer and try to implement what's necessary to feed into a senior team. There would be clashes galore between football and hurling and from one manager to the next about what their teams should be doing at certain stages of development.  At senior level we have a bunch of men/boys who gripe at everything. They want to win so so bad - but are they willing to really put their lives on hold to get over the line - I don't think they are. I honestly feel this is how high the bar has now been set by Kilcoo. If your lads are not willing to make sacrifices beyond the normal training 2/3 times per week etc - they will not dine at the top table..
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Lol I was asking were Burren n Warrenpoint excellent sides? Given they generally get so close to Kilcoo. As for their dominance I'd be surprised if it goes on another 10 years. It happened it Armagh I suppose but Derry you get lynched after a few years of winning!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 16, 2022, 07:32:53 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 16, 2022, 07:17:19 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 16, 2022, 05:35:13 PM

Do they get so close to kilcoo though? Or do kilcoo just do enough to get past them. 
McEvoy is a serious athlete at FB. Moran uses him very much like he did Rogers at Slaughtneil to break forward and create initial overlaps for Branagan x2 to thrive on. I'd agree though that the mark could be an option to exploit them. However kicking under that sustained pressure and into a wall of defenders isn't easy. I think the keeper should be targeted by teams more. In the first 10/15 minutes against us (Glen) I couldn't get over the intensity of Kilcoo. However once our boys settled they definitely began to work them out better. Is it a case of Burren & Warrenpoint being excellent teams or does familiarity with Kilcoo's style of play/knowing how to play against it ensure they push them close in the Down championship?

If ur saying these two are excellent teams - Kilcoo must be off the charts. It's actually worrying for us as a county that they are winning an all Ireland 13 years after their dominance began. I spent a while today listening to Laverty's podcast with BBC. Very enjoyable I must say. Lads not drinking for years and training like the hammers of hell individually and collectively has taken them to the top. Whilst it wasn't really a surprise to me that hard work won it - what are the rest of us doing as clubs?
Speaking about my own club - there are so many personalities training underage teams that no one in their right mind wud be underage development officer and try to implement what's necessary to feed into a senior team. There would be clashes galore between football and hurling and from one manager to the next about what their teams should be doing at certain stages of development.  At senior level we have a bunch of men/boys who gripe at everything. They want to win so so bad - but are they willing to really put their lives on hold to get over the line - I don't think they are. I honestly feel this is how high the bar has now been set by Kilcoo. If your lads are not willing to make sacrifices beyond the normal training 2/3 times per week etc - they will not dine at the top table..

Lol I was asking were Burren n Warrenpoint excellent sides? Given they generally get so close to Kilcoo. As for their dominance I'd be surprised if it goes on another 10 years. It happened it Armagh I suppose but Derry you get lynched after a few years of winning!
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 16, 2022, 09:07:15 PM
Too much emphasis on "no fun" being the difference, on display above.

The "extra 2%" really only matters a damn if the first 98% is roughly in place. And the basic story of Kilcoo is that in the early noughties, Laverty stepped away from the county, and PD and the 2 Johnstons came of age. And just as they'd found the scoring forwards to give anyone a game, a family of raw, athletic, hugely committed defenders emerged to bolster what was already an aggressive, hard hitting rearguard.

With the greatest respect to clubs around the county, the only way most of us could compete with that was to wipe them out at midfield. And that in many ways has been the focus of Kilcoo's extra 2% for the past 4-5 years: limit the opposition's quantity of possessions by allowing both them and you to hold onto the ball for extended periods, kill any momentum the opposition gain as early as possible by any means necessary, turn the screw hard when momentum falls your way, don't fall into the trap of making the game a shootout, and don't pick up black or red cards during all of the above. There's some seriously, seriously smart and disciplined shit in how they do this so efficiently, without raising a pulse.

But here's the thing. None of it matters without forwards who can cut you in two and ensure that narrow games fall your way, and defenders who can shepherd you towards stupid decisions. The latter is coachable. The former much less so.

Will Kilcoo dominate for another 10 years? Laverty is 37. PD 32 odd. The Johnstone brothers around 30 and have an output that relies heavily on pace. Unless they've a production line of forwards coming through, Kilcoo will rejoin the pack sooner rather than later. That's just what happens to any team when their firepower declines.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on February 16, 2022, 10:10:01 PM
Congrats Kilcoo, having read all the posts since your win I have to say that unless teams match your intensity you will stay at the top for the foreseeable future , however if the county championship returned to a straight knock out competition there would be a chance that a team could catch you cold and knock you out of the championship( remember Teconnaght beating all Ireland champions Burren), biggest shock ever, but it's unlikely to happen when our county executive insists on having a back door chance in Down. Just a thought !!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 16, 2022, 10:18:02 PM
I remember Teeonnaught beating Burren, wasn't sure if they were All Ireland champions or just County champions, what year was that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The_big_bad_wolf on February 16, 2022, 11:32:27 PM
It was 1982 that Teconnagh  beat Burren . Ballyinderry beat Burren in the Ulster final in 81
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on February 17, 2022, 08:36:58 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on February 15, 2022, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 15, 2022, 06:19:20 PM
Kingdom looking for new management team

Is Bernie Ruane not with them again?

He's away
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 08:43:47 AM
Quote from: sdg on February 17, 2022, 08:36:58 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on February 15, 2022, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 15, 2022, 06:19:20 PM
Kingdom looking for new management team

Is Bernie Ruane not with them again?

He's away

A bad timeof the year to be looking for a manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 09:28:44 AM
Darragh O'Hanlon will be joing the backroom team of the u20s, a good man to have about. Does anyone have a copy of the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 17, 2022, 09:39:58 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 09:28:44 AM
Darragh O'Hanlon will be joing the backroom team of the u20s, a good man to have about. Does anyone have a copy of the panel?
That would be a great addition.Did you ever find out about Breanainn McComiskey being on
the Down panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 17, 2022, 09:49:03 AM
Quote from: The_big_bad_wolf on February 16, 2022, 11:32:27 PM
It was 1982 that Teconnagh  beat Burren . Ballyinderry beat Burren in the Ulster final in 81
Cheers, was thinking they weren't AI  champions when Teconnaught beat them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 09:54:12 AM
Quote from: wobbller on February 17, 2022, 09:39:58 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 09:28:44 AM
Darragh O'Hanlon will be joing the backroom team of the u20s, a good man to have about. Does anyone have a copy of the panel?
That would be a great addition.Did you ever find out about Breanainn McComiskey being on
the Down panel?

I enquired did he get a trial, I was impressed with him in the Fin run to their championship win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 17, 2022, 10:25:51 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 09:54:12 AM
Quote from: wobbller on February 17, 2022, 09:39:58 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 09:28:44 AM
Darragh O'Hanlon will be joing the backroom team of the u20s, a good man to have about. Does anyone have a copy of the panel?
That would be a great addition.Did you ever find out about Breanainn McComiskey being on
the Down panel?

I enquired did he get a trial, I was impressed with him in the Fin run to their championship win.
One for the future!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 17, 2022, 10:59:08 AM
Quote from: wobbller on February 17, 2022, 10:25:51 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 09:54:12 AM
Quote from: wobbller on February 17, 2022, 09:39:58 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 09:28:44 AM
Darragh O'Hanlon will be joing the backroom team of the u20s, a good man to have about. Does anyone have a copy of the panel?
That would be a great addition.Did you ever find out about Breanainn McComiskey being on
the Down panel?

I enquired did he get a trial, I was impressed with him in the Fin run to their championship win.
One for the future!

I don't know if you are keeping Truth going or not but he's coming 29 - not for the future
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 17, 2022, 11:57:02 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 09:54:12 AM
Quote from: wobbller on February 17, 2022, 09:39:58 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 09:28:44 AM
Darragh O'Hanlon will be joing the backroom team of the u20s, a good man to have about. Does anyone have a copy of the panel?
That would be a great addition.Did you ever find out about Breanainn McComiskey being on
the Down panel?

I enquired did he get a trial, I was impressed with him in the Fin run to their championship win.

The easiest JFC in recent years....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 17, 2022, 02:55:55 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 09:28:44 AM
Darragh O'Hanlon will be joing the backroom team of the u20s, a good man to have about. Does anyone have a copy of the panel?

A good man to have about?? He has never been involved in a management setup before so that's a stupid statement. However Kilcoo are being cute hoors getting him involved here so he can see how things should happen in a coaching context and bring it back to the club to further progress them down the line. How many other clubs have lads at 28 not playing through injury or other and just let them drift away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clubman21 on February 17, 2022, 03:03:03 PM
Saying this is Kilcoo cute hoorism is just laughable and fuels the seemingly never ending agenda against the magpies.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 17, 2022, 03:15:53 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 17, 2022, 02:55:55 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 09:28:44 AM
Darragh O'Hanlon will be joing the backroom team of the u20s, a good man to have about. Does anyone have a copy of the panel?

A good man to have about?? He has never been involved in a management setup before so that's a stupid statement. However Kilcoo are being cute hoors getting him involved here so he can see how things should happen in a coaching context and bring it back to the club to further progress them down the line. How many other clubs have lads at 28 not playing through injury or other and just let them drift away.

Nothing cute about it, it gives O'Hanlon an opportunity to stay in the game he loves given his playing days were cut short. He was a very good player for Down and would have been for many more years, why shouldn't he be given an opportunity by the county to be involved. And Kilcoo may well reap long term benefits of course, as they should given he is a member of their club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clubman21 on February 17, 2022, 03:29:53 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 17, 2022, 03:15:53 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 17, 2022, 02:55:55 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 09:28:44 AM
Darragh O'Hanlon will be joing the backroom team of the u20s, a good man to have about. Does anyone have a copy of the panel?

A good man to have about?? He has never been involved in a management setup before so that's a stupid statement. However Kilcoo are being cute hoors getting him involved here so he can see how things should happen in a coaching context and bring it back to the club to further progress them down the line. How many other clubs have lads at 28 not playing through injury or other and just let them drift away.

Nothing cute about it, it gives O'Hanlon an opportunity to stay in the game he loves given his playing days were cut short. He was a very good player for Down and would have been for many more years, why shouldn't he be given an opportunity by the county to be involved. And Kilcoo may well reap long term benefits of course, as they should given he is a member of their club.
Agreed, Johnnys post is one of the craziest i've read on here and that takes some doing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 03:35:13 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 17, 2022, 02:55:55 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 09:28:44 AM
Darragh O'Hanlon will be joing the backroom team of the u20s, a good man to have about. Does anyone have a copy of the panel?

A good man to have about?? He has never been involved in a management setup before so that's a stupid statement. However Kilcoo are being cute hoors getting him involved here so he can see how things should happen in a coaching context and bring it back to the club to further progress them down the line. How many other clubs have lads at 28 not playing through injury or other and just let them drift away.

A thought Smurfy was the biggest SD clown on this board but congratulations Johnnyboys, you have overtaken him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on February 17, 2022, 07:23:48 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 03:35:13 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 17, 2022, 02:55:55 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 17, 2022, 09:28:44 AM
Darragh O'Hanlon will be joing the backroom team of the u20s, a good man to have about. Does anyone have a copy of the panel?

A good man to have about?? He has never been involved in a management setup before so that's a stupid statement. However Kilcoo are being cute hoors getting him involved here so he can see how things should happen in a coaching context and bring it back to the club to further progress them down the line. How many other clubs have lads at 28 not playing through injury or other and just let them drift away.

A thought Smurfy was the biggest SD clown on this board but congratulations Johnnyboys, you have overtaken him

Jobs for the boys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 17, 2022, 07:40:26 PM
Quote from: clubman21 on February 17, 2022, 03:03:03 PM
Saying this is Kilcoo cute hoorism is just laughable and fuels the seemingly never ending agenda against the magpies.

No agenda at all.. kilcoo circling the wagons already!! I'm sayin it as a compliment to Kilcoo not a slant.  Makes complete sense from club perspective and I have no doubt DOH will be an excellent coach as he was a player that saw the big picture when playing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on February 18, 2022, 09:32:24 AM
any dates on when the club leagues are starting?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 18, 2022, 10:16:14 AM
Friday 8th April
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 18, 2022, 11:51:52 AM
Overheard in Railway St

The Kingdom will make a formal request to Dundrum to speak to John Clarke about the vacant senior football managers job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 18, 2022, 01:10:15 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 18, 2022, 11:51:52 AM
Overheard in Railway St

The Kingdom will make a formal request to Dundrum to speak to John Clarke about the vacant senior football managers job.
Truth Hurts,don't be a Smurphy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 18, 2022, 03:12:09 PM
Oh my god could Mark Doran be any further up Kilcoos behind??? Listened to that load of balls podcast earlier and oh my good - talk about putting yourself into the window to manage them at some stage - sweet lord..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on February 18, 2022, 03:49:44 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 18, 2022, 03:12:09 PM
Oh my god could Mark Doran be any further up Kilcoos behind??? Listened to that load of balls podcast earlier and oh my good - talk about putting yourself into the window to manage them at some stage - sweet lord..
Johnny don't know what's worse, u think Doran would be even be considered by kilcoo, or someone actually listens to them idiots on a load of balls
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 18, 2022, 04:40:02 PM
Quote from: sdg on February 18, 2022, 03:49:44 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 18, 2022, 03:12:09 PM
Oh my god could Mark Doran be any further up Kilcoos behind??? Listened to that load of balls podcast earlier and oh my good - talk about putting yourself into the window to manage them at some stage - sweet lord..
Johnny don't know what's worse, u think Doran would be even be considered by kilcoo, or someone actually listens to them idiots on a load of balls

I used to listen to it but I could not listen to another week of talking about the same thing ie Kilcoo.
I admire Kilcoo but JC Dorny never quits about them, wee doc, Shealy, Dabs, wee Lav, he even has their wee pet names. He would jump to be involved with them LOL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 18, 2022, 05:28:20 PM
Who wouldn't want to be involved with that set up lol I personally think Load of Balls is brilliant podcast.

Hopefully will see an improved Down performance this week after getting another 2weeks of training, massive ask to get a win away to Meath tho. Any idea of sort team will be lining out?  Hopefully Dan Guinness and Pearse Laverty are back for it. I take Kilcoo boys won't be back for another while?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on February 18, 2022, 05:37:58 PM
Team named today looks to be as strong as is available.
Good individuals but remains to be seen if they can play as a team & in any sort of system.
As would be expected no Kilcoo lads involved. They have to be allowed some down time.
A few injuries still ruling lads out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on February 18, 2022, 06:09:53 PM
Yes the team is probably as strong as it can probably be, but it doesn't fill me with a lot of confidence. Thought McMahon would have deserved to keep his place in nets, is he injured? If B O'Hagan has a quiet game I really struggle to see where scores are going to come from in the forward line. Massive game for both sides, Meath will no doubt be approaching this game in the same manner as us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 18, 2022, 10:40:05 PM
Huge game and most likely the loser of down v meath is going to div 3.  Have to say I agree with the LOB Dorney is pure repetitive and jnr is hard to listen to. Very hard to listen to a full episode so time to tune out. The Gaa social with Thomas Niblock on the other hand is pure quality. A proper podcast.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 18, 2022, 11:05:51 PM


I used to listen to it but I could not listen to another week of talking about the same thing ie Kilcoo.
I admire Kilcoo but JC Dorny never quits about them, wee doc, Shealy, Dabs, wee Lav, he even has their wee pet names. He would jump to be involved with them LOL
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It's been a hard listen in last couple of weeks in fairness. Dorny just gets a point and goes on and on and on about it. Sickening to say the least. Clichés galore as he is speaking too. But don't rule him out of being in there - him and Jerome senior are big mates and he did win 2 league titles with Castlewellan in his time with them. Seems to get the jobs too - in with Tally with the county for few years and now ballybay who are a top team in Monaghan. The podcast can be interesting at times with coaches offering good insights into their coaching philosophies and preparation of teams etc.

Delighted to see young Jack McCartan get a start at weekend. A fantastic player at club level consistently - now has to step up and deliver at this level. Yet again we are playing natural wing half backs in wing forward positions - are we going defensive again??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 19, 2022, 07:41:42 AM
Both Mooney and OHagan like to attack from half back, so it would make sense for a half forward to drop back to act as cover.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on February 19, 2022, 12:06:38 PM
Is the Armagh game on BBC iPlayer? It isn't coming up on their  list of games. Do you have to wait until closer to the time before it shows on their schedule?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 19, 2022, 12:07:11 PM
Yeah it is.

Look in the sports category closer to 5.30
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on February 19, 2022, 12:36:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 19, 2022, 12:07:11 PM
Yeah it is.

Look in the sports category closer to 5.30
Cheers Wobbler !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 19, 2022, 02:59:22 PM
It is a massive game in Navan tomorrow against opponents who have regularly beaten us over recent years, and the losers can expect to be in D3 next year.
Any indications if there will be a pitch inspection in the morning ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 19, 2022, 04:26:49 PM
U20's beat Louth by 3. Anyone any idea of the team line or the squad for the year, Louth GAA had their team up on social media, Down useless once again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 19, 2022, 09:26:18 PM
Anyone know how long before the game you can buy a ticket . Weather forecast is poor for tomorrow. Rain most of day. So I was holding off to make sure its actually going ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 19, 2022, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 19, 2022, 09:26:18 PM
Anyone know how long before the game you can buy a ticket . Weather forecast is poor for tomorrow. Rain most of day. So I was holding off to make sure its actually going ahead.
afaik you can buy a ticket right up until to throw up time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 19, 2022, 10:44:18 PM
Don't know exact team but the following played according to the video Louis mcNally put up
On Facebook earlier..

1. Aaron Murdock - Burren - strange considering Furling from Ballyholland and Grant from Burren are actual goalkeepers and didn't play..
defence

Tony Magee - Burren
Ryan magill - Burren
Shane Close Clonduff
John Boden - Clonduff ???
Not sure who number 2 or 6 are but big McCarthy from burren in picture too

Midfield
Peter McEvoy - Clonduff

Forwards
Oisin Savage - Loughinisland
MacDarragh Hynds - Kilcoo
Padraig Clancy - Clonduff
Oran Cunningham - Downpatrick
Joe Tunney - Carryduff??

Not sure of others..

Why is our county PRO so ineffective at their job?? I'm not asking them to be at every football and hurling match but make someone on the management team responsible for sending through information so it can be posted on social media. In 2022 we are so far behind even on simple things like this - it's crazy..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 19, 2022, 10:51:14 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 19, 2022, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 19, 2022, 09:26:18 PM
Anyone know how long before the game you can buy a ticket . Weather forecast is poor for tomorrow. Rain most of day. So I was holding off to make sure its actually going ahead.
afaik you can buy a ticket right up until to throw up time
Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on February 20, 2022, 12:22:17 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 19, 2022, 04:26:49 PM
U20's beat Louth by 3. Anyone any idea of the team line or the squad for the year, Louth GAA had their team up on social media, Down useless once again.

1 A Murdock

2 E Swail
3 R Magill
4 T Magee

5 S Close
6 P McCarthy
7 T Hardy

8 S Donegan
9 P McEvoy

10 M Hynds
11 O Savage
12 O Cunningham

13 J Rodgers
14 P Clancy
15 J Tunney
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on February 20, 2022, 01:26:54 PM
Is the game in Navan on BBC iplayer today?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 20, 2022, 01:27:10 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on February 20, 2022, 01:26:54 PM
Is the game in Navan on BBC iplayer today?
no
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 20, 2022, 03:47:45 PM
Conditions or not - no score in a half of football is dreadful
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on February 20, 2022, 04:07:50 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 20, 2022, 03:47:45 PM
Conditions or not - no score in a half of football is dreadful

I think that's a harsh assessment. From what I'm hearing, the conditions heavily favoured Meath in that second half and they could only muster three points themselves.
If you had've offered a draw before throw in, many probably would have taken it. It is a very good point away from home.
At this stage, staying up looks a realistic possibility, a win over Offaly and a win elsewhere could be enough. Cork have looked shaky and beatable, and Clare in Newry could be a winable game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on February 20, 2022, 04:16:33 PM
Recommending a very good GAA app called "Score Beo". Many of you are probably aware of it but I have just discovered it. Worth taking a look
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on February 20, 2022, 05:32:37 PM
Who hit the crossbar for Down in the last seconds?
Was listening to commentary but it wasn't that clear
Seems Down  only had that and a Mooney goal chance for scores in the second half
The rest sounded like all Meath but them kicking wides
Decent point under the circumstances
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 20, 2022, 05:41:31 PM
1st half was a decent game. Both teams should've had another goal.  I thought conditions got much worse in the 2nd half.  Down hung in there but the conditions were attrocious. A good point in the end although could've won it.  Still a lot to do to stay in this league. Roscommon have had the upper hand on Down  last few times we've played them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 20, 2022, 05:42:48 PM
Quote from: maldini on February 20, 2022, 05:32:37 PM
Who hit the crossbar for Down in the last seconds?
Was listening to commentary but it wasn't that clear
Seems Down  only had that and a Mooney goal chance for scores in the second half
The rest sounded like all Meath but them kicking wides
Decent point under the circumstances
Mooney hit the crossbar I believe I was.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 20, 2022, 08:17:51 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on February 20, 2022, 12:22:17 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 19, 2022, 04:26:49 PM
U20's beat Louth by 3. Anyone any idea of the team line or the squad for the year, Louth GAA had their team up on social media, Down useless once again.

1 A Murdock

2 E Swail
3 R Magill
4 T Magee

5 S Close
6 P McCarthy
7 T Hardy

8 S Donegan
9 P McEvoy

10 M Hynds
11 O Savage
12 O Cunningham

13 J Rodgers
14 P Clancy
15 J Tunney

Cheers for that.. anyone stand out?? Anyone that could potentially play senior football this year???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 20, 2022, 08:30:46 PM
Today's game may have been full of errors due to the atrocious conditions but it was a complete thriller in which we defended heroically in the second half and were unlucky not to snatch a win in the end. Although the two early goals we conceded were disappointing, we kept coming back at them and for the first time in a while looked like a side with some backbone and purpose. If we can build on this performance, we have a decent chance of staying in D2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 20, 2022, 10:08:08 PM
I was at the game today, liam Kerr was very good, terrific battling performance in the second half. McCartan was wearing a black n white wooly hat, I wonder  was he trying to woo the kilcoo contingent lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 20, 2022, 11:14:39 PM
Good point in terrible 2nd half conditions, could've won at the end with Mooney's fisted effort. A point gives us at least a fighting chance of staying in Division 2. Hopefully get a few Kilcoo fellas back on panel for next week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 21, 2022, 08:54:28 AM
Fair play to the lads who got that point yesterday as with 15 minutes to go it was a draw and Meath was on full press with their keeper playing as an extra midfielder. The conditions were brutal as near the end they did not favor anyone. Darren O'Hagan had some shift and throws himself at everything. Kerr looked dangerous and Murdock is going to be some player for us. We need to work on more kick-outs as when they went on the press we resorted to bubba kicking to the left-hand side again but his options were limited. Havern was good before he went off and Quinn looked very dangerous when introduced; he should start on Saturday which will add to the attack. A well-desereved point and I was very proud of the performance as the conditions were brutal. If we win on Saturday I think we can stay up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 21, 2022, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 15, 2022, 02:42:00 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
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Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10
Any of the 13 players that started both league fixtures and has a combined score below 11 should be replaced for Sunday and someone else given a chance.How else are we going to improve?
Ratings to follow.Back into the Office today so not as free to post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10

Burns 6.5/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Collins 6/10

DoHagan 7/10
Niall McParland 6.5/10
Mooney 4.5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Poland 6/10

Murdock 7/10
Kerr 7/10
Mccormack 3.5/10

Gilmore 5.5/10
Havern 6.5/10
Mccartan 4/10

Management 6.5/10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10

Burns 6.5/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Collins 6/10

DoHagan 7/10
Niall McParland 6.5/10
Mooney 4.5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Poland 6/10

Murdock 7/10
Kerr 7/10
Mccormack 3.5/10

Gilmore 5.5/10
Havern 6.5/10
Mccartan 4/10

Management 6.5/10

Can you please stop with the ratings you clown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 22, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
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Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10

Burns 6.5/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Collins 6/10

DoHagan 7/10
Niall McParland 6.5/10
Mooney 4.5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Poland 6/10

Murdock 7/10
Kerr 7/10
Mccormack 3.5/10

Gilmore 5.5/10
Havern 6.5/10
Mccartan 4/10

Management 6.5/10

Can you please stop with the ratings you clown

It's a discussion board Truth.. You spout enough crap on here.

Where McCartan and McCormack that bad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 22, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10

Burns 6.5/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Collins 6/10

DoHagan 7/10
Niall McParland 6.5/10
Mooney 4.5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Poland 6/10

Murdock 7/10
Kerr 7/10
Mccormack 3.5/10

Gilmore 5.5/10
Havern 6.5/10
Mccartan 4/10

Management 6.5/10

Can you please stop with the ratings you clown

It's a discussion board Truth.. You spout enough crap on here.

Where McCartan and McCormack that bad?
Agree totally that its a discussion board but there are young lads starting out on their intercounty careers and there is no call for the ratings. These could affect players' condience.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 22, 2022, 01:46:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 22, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10

Burns 6.5/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Collins 6/10

DoHagan 7/10
Niall McParland 6.5/10
Mooney 4.5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Poland 6/10

Murdock 7/10
Kerr 7/10
Mccormack 3.5/10

Gilmore 5.5/10
Havern 6.5/10
Mccartan 4/10

Management 6.5/10

Can you please stop with the ratings you clown

It's a discussion board Truth.. You spout enough crap on here.

Where McCartan and McCormack that bad?
Agree totally that its a discussion board but there are young lads starting out on their intercounty careers and there is no call for the ratings. These could affect players' condience.

It's a good job you never mention anyone by name on here or it might affect them in some way.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 02:21:10 PM
I do not dig at players who represent us. This is a discussion board but I do not think it should be used as a weapon to slate people.

When are the fixtures out? will there be any new faces joining the minor league A this year or will it be the usual suspects?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on February 22, 2022, 03:29:34 PM
Hearing reports that drumgath and saval joining as savgath for division 1 in minor this year which would be good to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 03:39:28 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on February 22, 2022, 03:29:34 PM
Hearing reports that drumgath and saval joining as savgath for division 1 in minor this year which would be good to see.

Eh surely given the size of both parishes and catchment they would be able to field alone??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 03:58:19 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10

Burns 6.5/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Collins 6/10

DoHagan 7/10
Niall McParland 6.5/10
Mooney 4.5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Poland 6/10

Murdock 7/10
Kerr 7/10
Mccormack 3.5/10

Gilmore 5.5/10
Havern 6.5/10
Mccartan 4/10

Management 6.5/10

Can you please stop with the ratings you clown
Only if you desist from your needless endless tripe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 22, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10

Burns 6.5/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Collins 6/10

DoHagan 7/10
Niall McParland 6.5/10
Mooney 4.5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Poland 6/10

Murdock 7/10
Kerr 7/10
Mccormack 3.5/10

Gilmore 5.5/10
Havern 6.5/10
Mccartan 4/10

Management 6.5/10

Can you please stop with the ratings you clown

It's a discussion board Truth.. You spout enough crap on here.

Where McCartan and McCormack that bad?
Agree totally that its a discussion board but there are young lads starting out on their intercounty careers and there is no call for the ratings. These could affect players' condience.
Catch a grip. There should be no 11 plus then as failure could dent a young child's condience  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 04:10:54 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 22, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10

Burns 6.5/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Collins 6/10

DoHagan 7/10
Niall McParland 6.5/10
Mooney 4.5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Poland 6/10

Murdock 7/10
Kerr 7/10
Mccormack 3.5/10

Gilmore 5.5/10
Havern 6.5/10
Mccartan 4/10

Management 6.5/10

Can you please stop with the ratings you clown

It's a discussion board Truth.. You spout enough crap on here.

Where McCartan and McCormack that bad?
Agree totally that its a discussion board but there are young lads starting out on their intercounty careers and there is no call for the ratings. These could affect players' condience.
Catch a grip. There should be no 11 plus then as failure could dent a young child's condience  ;D ;D

Oh I see you have joined the spelling and grammar police.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 04:16:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 04:10:54 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 22, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10

Burns 6.5/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Collins 6/10

DoHagan 7/10
Niall McParland 6.5/10
Mooney 4.5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Poland 6/10

Murdock 7/10
Kerr 7/10
Mccormack 3.5/10

Gilmore 5.5/10
Havern 6.5/10
Mccartan 4/10

Management 6.5/10

Can you please stop with the ratings you clown

It's a discussion board Truth.. You spout enough crap on here.

Where McCartan and McCormack that bad?
Agree totally that its a discussion board but there are young lads starting out on their intercounty careers and there is no call for the ratings. These could affect players' condience.
Catch a grip. There should be no 11 plus then as failure could dent a young child's condience  ;D ;D

Oh I see you have joined the spelling and grammar police.
Just hitting back at you for your criticism of my much looked forward to Player Ratings--a post match must for all Down fans who can't make any fixture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 04:19:45 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 04:16:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 04:10:54 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 22, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10

Burns 6.5/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Collins 6/10

DoHagan 7/10
Niall McParland 6.5/10
Mooney 4.5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Poland 6/10

Murdock 7/10
Kerr 7/10
Mccormack 3.5/10

Gilmore 5.5/10
Havern 6.5/10
Mccartan 4/10

Management 6.5/10

Can you please stop with the ratings you clown

It's a discussion board Truth.. You spout enough crap on here.

Where McCartan and McCormack that bad?
Agree totally that its a discussion board but there are young lads starting out on their intercounty careers and there is no call for the ratings. These could affect players' condience.
Catch a grip. There should be no 11 plus then as failure could dent a young child's condience  ;D ;D

Oh I see you have joined the spelling and grammar police.
Just hitting back at you for your criticism of my much looked forward to Player Ratings--a post match must for all Down fans who can't make any fixture.

Imagine a young lad coming on here and seeing you have rated him 2/10, grow up and  leave the ratings to Brendan Crossan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 04:24:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 04:19:45 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 04:16:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 04:10:54 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 22, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10

Burns 6.5/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Collins 6/10

DoHagan 7/10
Niall McParland 6.5/10
Mooney 4.5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Poland 6/10

Murdock 7/10
Kerr 7/10
Mccormack 3.5/10

Gilmore 5.5/10
Havern 6.5/10
Mccartan 4/10

Management 6.5/10

Can you please stop with the ratings you clown

It's a discussion board Truth.. You spout enough crap on here.

Where McCartan and McCormack that bad?
Agree totally that its a discussion board but there are young lads starting out on their intercounty careers and there is no call for the ratings. These could affect players' condience.
Catch a grip. There should be no 11 plus then as failure could dent a young child's condience  ;D ;D

Oh I see you have joined the spelling and grammar police.
Just hitting back at you for your criticism of my much looked forward to Player Ratings--a post match must for all Down fans who can't make any fixture.

Imagine a young lad coming on here and seeing you have rated him 2/10, grow up and  leave the ratings to Brendan Crossan.
Don't see myself giving anyone a 2/10 but you never know-he could be an óld lad.Talk later.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clubman21 on February 22, 2022, 04:35:39 PM
Literally give Rory Burns, lack of recollection proving how irrelevant these ratings are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 05:00:28 PM
Quote from: clubman21 on February 22, 2022, 04:35:39 PM
Literally give Rory Burns, lack of recollection proving how irrelevant these ratings are.
Are you a relative of Truth Hurts? His spelling is as off as your Grammar.Away on back to west of the Bann please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 22, 2022, 07:42:04 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 04:19:45 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 04:16:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 04:10:54 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 12:09:52 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 22, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2022, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10

Burns 6.5/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Collins 6/10

DoHagan 7/10
Niall McParland 6.5/10
Mooney 4.5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Poland 6/10

Murdock 7/10
Kerr 7/10
Mccormack 3.5/10

Gilmore 5.5/10
Havern 6.5/10
Mccartan 4/10

Management 6.5/10

Can you please stop with the ratings you clown

It's a discussion board Truth.. You spout enough crap on here.

Where McCartan and McCormack that bad?
Agree totally that its a discussion board but there are young lads starting out on their intercounty careers and there is no call for the ratings. These could affect players' condience.
Catch a grip. There should be no 11 plus then as failure could dent a young child's condience  ;D ;D

Oh I see you have joined the spelling and grammar police.
Just hitting back at you for your criticism of my much looked forward to Player Ratings--a post match must for all Down fans who can't make any fixture.

Imagine a young lad coming on here and seeing you have rated him 2/10, grow up and  leave the ratings to Brendan Crossan.

Are you allowing Brendan Crossan to rate the players then? Is he the only one allowed? Have you told the Down panel that his ratings count and they should take them to heart, but not any others they see? Important that you get that message to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 22, 2022, 08:07:09 PM
I like an oul rating, whoever pens it, and everybody knows they are subjective, so one man's 6 is another man's 7.

My rating for this post is 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 08:10:54 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 22, 2022, 08:07:09 PM
I like an oul rating, whoever pens it, and everybody knows they are subjective, so one man's 6 is another man's 7.

My rating for this post is 4.
Which particular post are you rating as a 4 Aristo?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on February 22, 2022, 08:13:35 PM
My post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 08:38:03 PM
Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 22, 2022, 08:13:35 PM
My post.
I'd give it a 7!It gets to the heart of the ratings discussion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 23, 2022, 08:57:20 AM
 A must win game this weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 23, 2022, 09:17:38 AM
My team for this week

Bobo/Smyth

Fegan
Finn
Collins
Darren
Niall
Mooney

Murdock
Poland

Barry
Kerr
Doc

Jerome
Pat
Corey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 23, 2022, 10:26:38 AM
Have any of the kilcoo players went to country training?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on February 23, 2022, 11:47:20 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 23, 2022, 08:57:20 AM
A must win game this weekend.

We have to be realistic with the targets for the season. Given the disasterous off-season, avoiding relegation was the aim for this league campaign, to build and come back stronger next season for a push for promotion.

I don't think this game is must win territory yet, but it certainly is an opportunity to grab a result, if Down can make home advantage count.

For me this is a bonus game. The must win games are Offaly and Clare, and try to come away from Cork with at least a point. That should be more than enough to stay up.

With that being said, a win on Saturday would certainly relieve any pressure ahead of the Cork game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on February 23, 2022, 11:56:22 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 23, 2022, 10:26:38 AM
Have any of the kilcoo players went to country training?

Would you be a relation of matt & Jeff?
To answer your question i believe 13 players were asked to join the panel at the weekend gone by so not sure how many turned up to training last night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on February 23, 2022, 12:34:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 23, 2022, 09:17:38 AM
My team for this week

Bobo/Smyth

Fegan
Finn
Collins
Darren
Niall
Mooney

Murdock
Poland

Barry
Kerr
Doc

Jerome
Pat
Corey
How do you qualify to be called by your Christian name ?? 🤔
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clubman21 on February 23, 2022, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on February 23, 2022, 11:56:22 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 23, 2022, 10:26:38 AM
Have any of the kilcoo players went to country training?

Would you be a relation of matt & Jeff?
To answer your question i believe 13 players were asked to join the panel at the weekend gone by so not sure how many turned up to training last night
Which starters weren't ask probably an easier question to ask?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 23, 2022, 12:48:08 PM
Id guess Laverty and Niall Brannigan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clubman21 on February 23, 2022, 12:49:53 PM
Quote from: ardtole on February 23, 2022, 12:48:08 PM
Id guess Laverty and Niall Brannigan.
Perhaps more, would include young morgan in with a shout.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 23, 2022, 02:32:16 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on February 23, 2022, 12:34:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 23, 2022, 09:17:38 AM
My team for this week

Bobo/Smyth

Fegan
Finn
Collins
Darren
Niall
Mooney

Murdock
Poland

Barry
Kerr
Doc

Jerome
Pat
Corey
How do you qualify to be called by your Christian name ?? 🤔
You would have to had good ratings over the previous few years although Havern getting Pat (after being away for a few years)is a bit much ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on February 23, 2022, 03:00:28 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on February 22, 2022, 03:29:34 PM
Hearing reports that drumgath and saval joining as savgath for division 1 in minor this year which would be good to see.

Can categorically say this is not happening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on February 23, 2022, 04:41:52 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on February 23, 2022, 12:34:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 23, 2022, 09:17:38 AM
My team for this week

Bobo/Smyth

Fegan
Finn
Collins
Darren
Niall
Mooney

Murdock
Poland

Barry
Kerr
Doc

Jerome
Pat
Corey
How do you qualify to be called by your Christian name ?? 🤔

What about getting mentioned by your nickname? Who is Doc? Celum from Kilcoo ( excuse spelling) Anthony from Downpatrick or maybe one of the Harney boys or indeed one of the 7 dwarfs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on February 23, 2022, 05:40:17 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on February 22, 2022, 03:29:34 PM
Hearing reports that drumgath and saval joining as savgath for division 1 in minor this year which would be good to see.


I heard in County Fried Chicken 🍗  today that Burren & Mayobridge minors are also amalgamated & calling themselves Burren Bridge.

Apparently the town & Kilcoo are furious as both lay claim to Burren Bridge.

Any other amalgamations on the go?

Shamrocks & Bosco = Shamco
Longstone & Ballymartin = LongMartin

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 23, 2022, 05:51:22 PM
East Belfast and Downpatrick amalgamating to form East Down would be Truth Hurts' wet dream
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 24, 2022, 08:46:45 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 23, 2022, 05:51:22 PM
East Belfast and Downpatrick amalgamating to form East Down would be Truth Hurts' wet dream

LOL :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on February 24, 2022, 09:23:39 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on February 23, 2022, 11:56:22 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 23, 2022, 10:26:38 AM
Have any of the kilcoo players went to country training?

Would you be a relation of matt & Jeff?
To answer your question i believe 13 players were asked to join the panel at the weekend gone by so not sure how many turned up to training last night

Irish News name dropping Jerome & Ryan Johnstone, Bobo, Ceilum Doherty, Michael Rooney & Ryan McEvoy. However said Rooney is curently in Liverpool studying & Ryan is unavailable for the foreseeable due to him going travelling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 24, 2022, 09:28:57 AM
Why is Shealan not available?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 24, 2022, 10:00:22 AM
Quote from: toby47 on February 24, 2022, 09:23:39 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on February 23, 2022, 11:56:22 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 23, 2022, 10:26:38 AM
Have any of the kilcoo players went to country training?

Would you be a relation of matt & Jeff?
To answer your question i believe 13 players were asked to join the panel at the weekend gone by so not sure how many turned up to training last night

Irish News name dropping Jerome & Ryan Johnstone, Bobo, Ceilum Doherty, Michael Rooney & Ryan McEvoy. However said Rooney is curently in Liverpool studying & Ryan is unavailable for the foreseeable due to him going travelling.
Which Ryan is going travelling?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 24, 2022, 10:13:28 AM
The report says Ryan Johnson intends to go travelling. Ryan McEvoy likely to join up, no mention of any of the Brannigans, or Shealin Johnson, maybe he is still eligible for the u20s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 24, 2022, 10:23:20 AM
Quote from: ardtole on February 24, 2022, 10:13:28 AM
The report says Ryan Johnson intends to go travelling. Ryan McEvoy likely to join up, no mention of any of the Brannigans, or Shealin Johnson, maybe he is still eligible for the u20s.
Thank-you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 24, 2022, 10:52:57 AM
Is it true a few teams are pulling out of the u19 league which starts this weekend? A Town man told me this morning that Ballyholland harps are not fielding this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on February 24, 2022, 10:59:53 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 24, 2022, 10:52:57 AM
Is it true a few teams are pulling out of the u19 league which starts this weekend? A Town man told me this morning that Ballyholland harps are not fielding this weekend?

The under 19's is up for debate at congress - change to under 18 which will mean a knockdown effect to under 14/16.

A complete custerfuck given we are just about to enter March and clubs dont know what age groups there will be.

I agree with the motion (has been brought in by Errigal Ciaran) but very difficult for clubs to plan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 24, 2022, 11:01:21 AM
Quote from: Taylor on February 24, 2022, 10:59:53 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 24, 2022, 10:52:57 AM
Is it true a few teams are pulling out of the u19 league which starts this weekend? A Town man told me this morning that Ballyholland harps are not fielding this weekend?

The under 19's is up for debate at congress - change to under 18 which will mean a knockdown effect to under 14/16.

A complete custerfuck given we are just about to enter March and clubs dont know what age groups there will be.

I agree with the motion (has been brought in by Errigal Ciaran) but very difficult for clubs to plan

That motion if it wins will not come into affect to 2023 anyway so this year we are playing 13,15,17 and 19
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 2badteams on February 24, 2022, 03:01:48 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 24, 2022, 10:52:57 AM
Is it true a few teams are pulling out of the u19 league which starts this weekend? A Town man told me this morning that Ballyholland harps are not fielding this weekend?

Fake News. Its Castlewellan cant field. The talk of Zebedees
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on February 24, 2022, 03:07:54 PM
Rumours in the oak grill suggest they didn't want it enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 24, 2022, 03:44:55 PM
Only 5 East Down teams have entered the league.
Could a few teams not got together to form a few amalgamations.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on February 24, 2022, 04:26:48 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 24, 2022, 03:44:55 PM
Only 5 East Down teams have entered the league.
Could a few teams not got together to form a few amalgamations.

Your chasing your tail with these amalgamations.

The Down U20 and U17s are depriving some teams of their key players and makes it a challenge add to this games on a Sunday when the same age groups will have part time jobs if they are students.

U19s doesn't work. Period. And never will. Needs motion 40 to get pushed through and sort this ungodly mess out. Sooner the better for all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 25, 2022, 07:58:08 AM
 Congress this weekend.Minor back to U18 hopefully and Ladies into the main GAA family?I don't know if this will work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 25, 2022, 08:20:16 AM
Ladies at club level are integrated, at county level if the 3 codes talked to each other surely it would be easier for clubs. Some of the fixture clashings is crazy and not fair on clubs to sort out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 25, 2022, 10:01:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 25, 2022, 08:20:16 AM
Ladies at club level are integrated, at county level if the 3 codes talked to each other surely it would be easier for clubs. Some of the fixture clashings is crazy and not fair on clubs to sort out.

That's due to clubs not having the members to run a committee for both.. Still under 3 different associations and insurance is a lot dearer to register players in the LGFA. Hopefully they do the sensible thing and vote to bring the 3 together, ladies are an after thought and it's purely down to LGFAs stubbornness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 25, 2022, 10:23:05 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 25, 2022, 10:01:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 25, 2022, 08:20:16 AM
Ladies at club level are integrated, at county level if the 3 codes talked to each other surely it would be easier for clubs. Some of the fixture clashings is crazy and not fair on clubs to sort out.

That's due to clubs not having the members to run a committee for both.. Still under 3 different associations and insurance is a lot dearer to register players in the LGFA. Hopefully they do the sensible thing and vote to bring the 3 together, ladies are an after thought and it's purely down to LGFAs stubbornness

eh no,  because it's the right thing to do. Imagine separate committees in GAA, Camogie, and LGFA  in Bredagh. You would need the secretary-general of the united nations in to sort the rows out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 25, 2022, 11:20:39 AM
The disaster of finding a venue for the camogie club semifinals last weekend should help push this through.  It should all be one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 25, 2022, 11:59:39 AM
 It'll be some craic if this happens within Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 25, 2022, 12:13:20 PM
Sean og will definitely retire if it happens lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 25, 2022, 03:21:27 PM
Integaration I believe, is fine at Club level if everyone is for it,but at County/Nationally it'll be a disaster.No offence to Ladies sports
but it'll ruin it for the original Association.Too much work,sweat,tears and fundraising has gone on for years for us to just
give these two sports an equal footing at the top Tables of Croke Park and County.As a whatsapp was joking this week it's maybe time women fought WW3 if it happens/ ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on February 25, 2022, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 24, 2022, 10:52:57 AM
Is it true a few teams are pulling out of the u19 league which starts this weekend? A Town man told me this morning that Ballyholland harps are not fielding this weekend?

I believe Castlewellan have pulled out of the competiton, to be replaced by Dromintee. Is this another East Down Gaa force?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 25, 2022, 07:50:52 PM
Team for tomorrow evening;

McMahon
Fegan
McElroy
Collins
O'Hagan
McParland
Laverty
Doherty
Murdock
Poland
Kerr
Mooney
Gilmore
Havern
McKernan

Hopefully a few of the Kilcoo boys on the bench. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 25, 2022, 08:54:26 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10

Burns 6.5/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Collins 6/10

DoHagan 7/10
Niall McParland 6.5/10
Mooney 4.5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Poland 6/10

Murdock 7/10
Kerr 7/10
Mccormack 3.5/10

Gilmore 5.5/10
Havern 6.5/10
Mccartan 4/10

Management 6.5/10
Management paying heed to the ratings.Both my ratings of 3.5 and 4 have been replaced for tomorrow's game.Although an underperformer from previous games getting another chance.Why
not give others a chance?Kevin's best days are well gone.Good to be rotating the keepers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 26, 2022, 01:12:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 25, 2022, 10:23:05 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 25, 2022, 10:01:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 25, 2022, 08:20:16 AM
Ladies at club level are integrated, at county level if the 3 codes talked to each other surely it would be easier for clubs. Some of the fixture clashings is crazy and not fair on clubs to sort out.

That's due to clubs not having the members to run a committee for both.. Still under 3 different associations and insurance is a lot dearer to register players in the LGFA. Hopefully they do the sensible thing and vote to bring the 3 together, ladies are an after thought and it's purely down to LGFAs stubbornness

eh no,  because it's the right thing to do. Imagine separate committees in GAA, Camogie, and LGFA  in Bredagh. You would need the secretary-general of the united nations in to sort the rows out
Theres 4 sub committees, each code has there own.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 26, 2022, 01:36:35 PM
U20's beat Antrim 3.5 to 0.9 in Ballykinlar. Anyone at it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 26, 2022, 06:10:37 PM
We still haven't managed to sort out our kickouts, the last management didn't have any strategy and neither does this one. Quite a few passengers in the Down team tonight!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 26, 2022, 06:13:32 PM
Look forward to SamFevers ratings for this match
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 26, 2022, 06:19:03 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 26, 2022, 06:10:37 PM
We still haven't managed to sort out our kickouts, the last management didn't have any strategy and neither does this one. Quite a few passengers in the Down team tonight!

First time, I think, that I've wholeheartedly agreed with something you've written. And it's the seasoned players who are the bigger problem.

Roscommon are a better team. No doubt. But it's their urgency that's more eyecatching.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 26, 2022, 06:55:20 PM
Down are so good at going out and executing the game plan 'dont attempt to win midfield'. When was the last time we had a dominant midfield? 2010 with ambrose and kalum and fitzpatrick as a reserve?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on February 26, 2022, 07:06:59 PM
Div 4 here we come lads... Look so so unfit compared to the Rossies.

Are we possibly the worst team in Ulster??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 26, 2022, 07:27:23 PM
I wouldn't lose the plot now lads.  We aren't going to div 4 and aren't the worst team in Ulster.

We have played the 3 best teams in the league at this stage so let's see where we are at the end of the league with the Kilcoo lads back.

I do agree we don't look fit and are carrying too many passengers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 26, 2022, 07:31:59 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 26, 2022, 06:13:32 PM
Look forward to SamFevers ratings for this match
They will be harsh.Time also to be rating our Subs.Dismal stuff.It'll be tomorrow before I compile
these although Truth Hurts will not be online to see these eagerly awaited ratings until he's back in School on Monday. ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on February 26, 2022, 07:35:19 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on February 26, 2022, 07:27:23 PM
I wouldn't lose the plot now lads.  We aren't going to div 4 and aren't the worst team in Ulster.

We have played the 3 best teams in the league at this stage so let's see where we are at the end of the league with the Kilcoo lads back.

I do agree we don't look fit and are carrying too many passengers.

Absolutely second this. Roscommon are a very good side, and how many thought a few months ago that this game would be a win?

There were spells of very good Down football this evening, and I feel if the kickouts were better then that could have been a much closer game. The amount of kickout ball lost then returned for a Roscommon score was far too high.

I feel the current squad are coming on rightly and with a few Kilcoo lads in, it bodes well ahead of Offaly in two weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on February 26, 2022, 07:48:23 PM
The biggest surprise for me, was that people on here actually fought we would beat Roscommon. Can someone tell me what Aiden o rourke has achieved in the game as a coach/manager?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 26, 2022, 07:58:40 PM
That was as poor as it gets, miles of the pace. Roscommon are a good team but we made it so easy for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on February 26, 2022, 08:22:51 PM
Very poor this evening. Down are absolutely terrible. Such a gulf in class in Ulster its unbelievable - Down, Cavan, Fermanagh and Antrim the worst teams in Ulster, in whatever order its irrelevant. Seriously, what does Kevin McKernan have on the management - honestly there must be about 15/20 players in Down that are a better option. Been a great servant but enough is enough. Mooney well past it and has very rarely lived up to the hype. Good to see Ceilum Doherty back but we need more Kilcoo players making themselves available. How easily teams just cut through the middle against us is so concerning.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 26, 2022, 08:25:27 PM
Lads Roscommon are hardly world beaters and we were clean shite tonight.. Agree with a few posts saying there's a few boys hanging around too long. We aren't the worst team in Ulster isn't a consolation either, we are probably tied with Fermanagh as the worst atm.. Kilcoo boys coming in won't help us out of this mess.

Again all down to late appointment of management team by an inept co board
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on February 26, 2022, 08:30:47 PM
Let's look at it from a Kilcoo perspective. A full year of intense training and your asked to go again for your county. Very little down time and let's be honest probably not sustainable. Absolutely, getting the call to represent your county is huge but mentally I wonder what appetite they would have to go into that set up, especially considering how bad things are currently. Keeping Tally was the obvious call for the sake of this year, completely agree that this shambles is all on the county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on February 26, 2022, 08:59:30 PM
Roscommon looked like they were going to score with every attack, defence miles off it
Kick outs still a big issue as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on February 26, 2022, 10:25:17 PM
Was just talking to my down senior link after the game tonight, apparently there is many players who rejected the call. Cathal foy and Conor Cox of Burren, this doesn't bode well for kilcoo boys committing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 26, 2022, 11:16:39 PM
Quote from: FM on February 26, 2022, 10:25:17 PM
Was just talking to my down senior link after the game tonight, apparently there is many players who rejected the call. Cathal foy and Conor Cox of Burren, this doesn't bode well for kilcoo boys committing
The call??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 26, 2022, 11:19:34 PM
The days of Fortress Newry are long gone but, even allowing for the poor home form of recent seasons, tonight was a grim display. While Roscommon as usual were a big strong side, they are hardly world beaters, and yet they were almost entirely untroubled from their early penalty to the end. Although you have to feel sorry for any keeper playing behind a badly beaten midfield, there was little evidence of a strategy for our kick outs. Most of the other sectors were equally poor, with an honorable mention for Kerr in difficult circumstances. Our substitutions were curious, and it was particularly hard to understand how Laverty, who had struggled, was sent out for the start of the second half only to called off just before the throw in. The other results mean that our fate is far from sealed but we looked like a division three team this evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 27, 2022, 08:44:08 AM
Down have had no kickout strategy since the shit show of a 2nd half in the 2010 final. When Down ran at Roscommon they caused them problems but the finishing was dreadful. Down just kept going for goal. Mooney was a threat but his decision making was poor. Only 1 kilcoo man in the squad hopefully more will be there for Cork. Its not impossible but need to win 2 of the last 3 games to have a chance of staying up. Div 3 and the Tailteann Cup mightnt be the worst outcome  if we can keep hold of players. Realistically though the Kilcoo lads will want to retain their Down ulster and all Ireland so their players may think commiting to kilcoo is their best option at the moment. And who could really blame them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 27, 2022, 10:12:07 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 22, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 06, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 04, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: SamFever on January 30, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Rory Burns. 2/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy7/10
Gerard Collins 5/10
Ruairi McCormack 6/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Odhran Murdock 7/10

Caplin  Mooney 6/10
Liam Kerr 5/10
Cormac McCartan 4/10
Barry O'Hagan 6/10
Kevin McKernan 4/10
Andrew Gilmore 6/10

Management 5.5/10

  Management have taken heed of my ratings and Rory Burns loses out. I hope the the player ratings improve from last week.

Gary McMahon 5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Benny McArdle 5/10

Ruairi McCormack 5/10
Niall McParland 6/10
Darren O'Hagan 4/10

Anthony Doherty 3.5/10
Odhran Murdock 5.5/10

Caolan Mooney 4/10
Liam Kerr 5.5/10
Cormac McCartan 4.5/10

Barry O'Hagan 6.5/10
Kevin McKernan 3/10
Andrew Gilmore 5.5/10

Management 5/10

Burns 6.5/10

Peter Fegan 5/10
Finn McElroy 6/10
Collins 6/10

DoHagan 7/10
Niall McParland 6.5/10
Mooney 4.5/10

Anthony Doherty 6/10
Poland 6/10

Murdock 7/10
Kerr 7/10
Mccormack 3.5/10

Gilmore 5.5/10
Havern 6.5/10
Mccartan 4/10

Management 6.5/10


McMahon 5.5/10

Peter Fegan 4/10
Finn McElroy 4/10
Collins 5/10

DoHagan 5.5/10
Niall McParland 4.5/10
Laverty 4.5/10

Doherty 4/10
Murdock 4/10

Poland 5/10
Kerr 6.5/10
Mooney 5/10

Gilmore 4/10
Havern 5/10
McKernan 2/10

Management 4/10

Guinness 4.5/10
C.Doherty 5.5/10
Rushe 4/10
Quinn 4/10
McCormack 4/10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on February 27, 2022, 11:02:51 AM
Some people on here need to have a word with themselves.

We've a Down team very much in rebuild mode, not helped with the farce of the delay in appointing a manager. They came up against a Roscommon side that many of you are saying "are hardly world beaters" but they've been in four Connacht finals in a row 2016-19, winning two of those in a province with very good Mayo and Galway sides, and had just dropped out of Division 1 last season. While that doesn't make them "world beaters", they are much more established as a team and further along in their progress.

How about some of you get behind the team for a change instead of waiting with the pitchforks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 27, 2022, 11:13:37 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on February 27, 2022, 11:02:51 AM
Some people on here need to have a word with themselves.

We've a Down team very much in rebuild mode, not helped with the farce of the delay in appointing a manager. They came up against a Roscommon side that many of you are saying "are hardly world beaters" but they've been in four Connacht finals in a row 2016-19, winning two of those in a province with very good Mayo and Galway sides, and had just dropped out of Division 1 last season. While that doesn't make them "world beaters", they are much more established as a team and further along in their progress.

How about some of you get behind the team for a change instead of waiting with the pitchforks?

100% spot on! There wasnt many who put their name forward to take the job on, people need to give the team and management a bit of time. A lot of Down fans needs to be more realistic with their ambitions also, minor and u21/20 results have been brutal for 15 years  or so bar last year. We get one decent team through and boys think they will  turn the senior team around.
Going forward hopefully Barry O Hagan back, along with the Kilcoo boys, Daniel Guinness should hopefully be fit to start and Corey Quinn. That will definitely improve the team. Any word if McCrickard is able to committee? Some ask travelling from Cork tho.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 27, 2022, 11:29:05 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on February 27, 2022, 11:02:51 AM
Some people on here need to have a word with themselves.

We've a Down team very much in rebuild mode, not helped with the farce of the delay in appointing a manager. They came up against a Roscommon side that many of you are saying "are hardly world beaters" but they've been in four Connacht finals in a row 2016-19, winning two of those in a province with very good Mayo and Galway sides, and had just dropped out of Division 1 last season. While that doesn't make them "world beaters", they are much more established as a team and further along in their progress.

How about some of you get behind the team for a change instead of waiting with the pitchforks?

Roscommon beat Mayo once in those years to reach the final every other year Galway beat Mayo and Mayo don't get going until late in the summer as demonstrated by their patchy form during those years in the qualifiers.. And both Ros/Gal shite themselves once they come up against any of the top 8/10 teams in the country so they aren't world beaters.

Also that's a Roscommon team on the wind down the majority of the team that ran Dublin close in the u21 near 10 years ago are touching or are over 30.

Everyone here has said it's Co Boards fault but if you can't criticise the performance after last nights display then some of you boys need to stop longing for the days of the Gestapo to control what people say and get with the real world
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on February 27, 2022, 12:16:47 PM
Who is the 4 kilcoo players on the squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on February 27, 2022, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 27, 2022, 11:29:05 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on February 27, 2022, 11:02:51 AM
Some people on here need to have a word with themselves.

We've a Down team very much in rebuild mode, not helped with the farce of the delay in appointing a manager. They came up against a Roscommon side that many of you are saying "are hardly world beaters" but they've been in four Connacht finals in a row 2016-19, winning two of those in a province with very good Mayo and Galway sides, and had just dropped out of Division 1 last season. While that doesn't make them "world beaters", they are much more established as a team and further along in their progress.

How about some of you get behind the team for a change instead of waiting with the pitchforks?

Roscommon beat Mayo once in those years to reach the final every other year Galway beat Mayo and Mayo don't get going until late in the summer as demonstrated by their patchy form during those years in the qualifiers.. And both Ros/Gal shite themselves once they come up against any of the top 8/10 teams in the country so they aren't world beaters.

Also that's a Roscommon team on the wind down the majority of the team that ran Dublin close in the u21 near 10 years ago are touching or are over 30.

Everyone here has said it's Co Boards fault but if you can't criticise the performance after last nights display then some of you boys need to stop longing for the days of the Gestapo to control what people say and get with the real world

I don't even know how to respond to you. You tell us to "get with the real world" but its you that seems to be living on another planet.

To use your example and point, Roscommon got to U-21 finals in 2012 and again in 2014, and you correctly say the core of that team have stayed together (four from yesterday played in the 2012 final, and six from the 2014 final), and somehow you make out that a core team staying together is a detriment rather than a benefit?? Years of getting to know each others style of play? Besides the six from 2014 could only be 29 max, just saying.

I'm not going to respond to you any further as I will only entertain points from people that have clearly thought them out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 27, 2022, 12:33:31 PM
Quote from: mourneman9194 on February 27, 2022, 12:16:47 PM
Who is the 4 kilcoo players on the squad?
Celi Doc, Bobo, Ryan McEvoy and Shealan Johnston I think Niblock said on commentary yesterday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 27, 2022, 12:35:20 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on February 27, 2022, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 27, 2022, 11:29:05 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on February 27, 2022, 11:02:51 AM
Some people on here need to have a word with themselves.

We've a Down team very much in rebuild mode, not helped with the farce of the delay in appointing a manager. They came up against a Roscommon side that many of you are saying "are hardly world beaters" but they've been in four Connacht finals in a row 2016-19, winning two of those in a province with very good Mayo and Galway sides, and had just dropped out of Division 1 last season. While that doesn't make them "world beaters", they are much more established as a team and further along in their progress.

How about some of you get behind the team for a change instead of waiting with the pitchforks?

Roscommon beat Mayo once in those years to reach the final every other year Galway beat Mayo and Mayo don't get going until late in the summer as demonstrated by their patchy form during those years in the qualifiers.. And both Ros/Gal shite themselves once they come up against any of the top 8/10 teams in the country so they aren't world beaters.

Also that's a Roscommon team on the wind down the majority of the team that ran Dublin close in the u21 near 10 years ago are touching or are over 30.

Everyone here has said it's Co Boards fault but if you can't criticise the performance after last nights display then some of you boys need to stop longing for the days of the Gestapo to control what people say and get with the real world

I don't even know how to respond to you. You tell us to "get with the real world" but its you that seems to be living on another planet.

To use your example and point, Roscommon got to U-21 finals in 2012 and again in 2014, and you correctly say the core of that team have stayed together (four from yesterday played in the 2012 final, and six from the 2014 final), and somehow you make out that a core team staying together is a detriment rather than a benefit?? Years of getting to know each others style of play? Besides the six from 2014 could only be 29 max, just saying.

I'm not going to respond to you any further as I will only entertain points from people that have clearly thought them out.

You've 5 posts on the board young pup and it's a discussion board - if you can't back your point up go back to the hoganstand.

They are on the wind down due to players peaks being over them - Intercounty football is a young man's game these days and 8-10 years of senior county football takes its toll on the body hence why I said they are on the way down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on February 27, 2022, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on February 27, 2022, 11:02:51 AM
Some people on here need to have a word with themselves.

We've a Down team very much in rebuild mode, not helped with the farce of the delay in appointing a manager. They came up against a Roscommon side that many of you are saying "are hardly world beaters" but they've been in four Connacht finals in a row 2016-19, winning two of those in a province with very good Mayo and Galway sides, and had just dropped out of Division 1 last season. While that doesn't make them "world beaters", they are much more established as a team and further along in their progress.

How about some of you get behind the team for a change instead of waiting with the pitchforks?
No pitch forks just opinions.As your a newbie,can I ask are you a panel member or a doting relative?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on February 27, 2022, 12:53:55 PM
Do I need to post absolute nonsense 370 and 543 times for some unknown reason before I can voice an opinion?

Just because I try and take positives from this season given the circumstances I'm some sort of pariah?

I can very much tell you I am not a member of the panel, I am not a relative of any panel member nor I am a close friend of anyone on the panel. I simply choose to support the team instead of hiding behind a screen and attacking them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 27, 2022, 01:29:56 PM
Peter Fegan, Finn and Gilmore get 4/10 in recent ratings but Laverty gets 4.5 and only played a half - I think these ratings have had their day to be honest.
We were disappointing yesterday - we all agree on that but realistically the management (no matter how late they were appointed) would probably have been targeting the games v Clare and Offaly as winnable and then pick up a point or two with draws/win v Meath/Cork..
I don't think Roscommon would have been targeted. That's not to say we were just going to accept defeat or not do the necessary work to get the win but we would've needed a game of 90-100% and hope Roscommon played at 50-60% to get a result..
I think Niblick mentioned Ryan McEvoy, Doherty, Jerome and Kane as the 4 who joined up.
McEvoy won't be there right away either as he is taking time out first. 

Club fixtures are out this week apparently. Will division one clubs want to get into the top 4 or run the risk of the bottom 8 with 4 going down?? I'm hearing of a lot of emigration of players from various clubs which could have a major impact on their respective clubs. Oddly enough - no one from Kilcoo going anywhere!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 27, 2022, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 27, 2022, 01:29:56 PM
Peter Fegan, Finn and Gilmore get 4/10 in recent ratings but Laverty gets 4.5 and only played a half - I think these ratings have had their day to be honest.
We were disappointing yesterday - we all agree on that but realistically the management (no matter how late they were appointed) would probably have been targeting the games v Clare and Offaly as winnable and then pick up a point or two with draws/win v Meath/Cork..
I don't think Roscommon would have been targeted. That's not to say we were just going to accept defeat or not do the necessary work to get the win but we would've needed a game of 90-100% and hope Roscommon played at 50-60% to get a result..
I think Niblick mentioned Ryan McEvoy, Doherty, Jerome and Kane as the 4 who joined up.
McEvoy won't be there right away either as he is taking time out first. 

Club fixtures are out this week apparently. Will division one clubs want to get into the top 4 or run the risk of the bottom 8 with 4 going down?? I'm hearing of a lot of emigration of players from various clubs which could have a major impact on their respective clubs. Oddly enough - no one from Kilcoo going anywhere!!!
My ratings will continue!🤪
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on February 27, 2022, 02:53:20 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on February 27, 2022, 11:02:51 AM
Some people on here need to have a word with themselves.

We've a Down team very much in rebuild mode, not helped with the farce of the delay in appointing a manager. They came up against a Roscommon side that many of you are saying "are hardly world beaters" but they've been in four Connacht finals in a row 2016-19, winning two of those in a province with very good Mayo and Galway sides, and had just dropped out of Division 1 last season. While that doesn't make them "world beaters", they are much more established as a team and further along in their progress.

How about some of you get behind the team for a change instead of waiting with the pitchforks?

Too much sense being talked here pal.
Watch out or the loonies will turn on you!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on February 27, 2022, 04:15:47 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 27, 2022, 11:13:37 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on February 27, 2022, 11:02:51 AM
Some people on here need to have a word with themselves.

We've a Down team very much in rebuild mode, not helped with the farce of the delay in appointing a manager. They came up against a Roscommon side that many of you are saying "are hardly world beaters" but they've been in four Connacht finals in a row 2016-19, winning two of those in a province with very good Mayo and Galway sides, and had just dropped out of Division 1 last season. While that doesn't make them "world beaters", they are much more established as a team and further along in their progress.

How about some of you get behind the team for a change instead of waiting with the pitchforks?

100% spot on! There wasnt many who put their name forward to take the job on, people need to give the team and management a bit of time. A lot of Down fans needs to be more realistic with their ambitions also, minor and u21/20 results have been brutal for 15 years  or so bar last year. We get one decent team through and boys think they will  turn the senior team around.
Going forward hopefully Barry O Hagan back, along with the Kilcoo boys, Daniel Guinness should hopefully be fit to start and Corey Quinn. That will definitely improve the team. Any word if McCrickard is able to committee? Some ask travelling from Cork tho.

Ed the management fell into the job, as James always does, and takes his friend's in with him.  So none of this rubbish  they stepped up, they getting well paid
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 27, 2022, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: sdg on February 27, 2022, 04:15:47 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 27, 2022, 11:13:37 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on February 27, 2022, 11:02:51 AM
Some people on here need to have a word with themselves.

We've a Down team very much in rebuild mode, not helped with the farce of the delay in appointing a manager. They came up against a Roscommon side that many of you are saying "are hardly world beaters" but they've been in four Connacht finals in a row 2016-19, winning two of those in a province with very good Mayo and Galway sides, and had just dropped out of Division 1 last season. While that doesn't make them "world beaters", they are much more established as a team and further along in their progress.

How about some of you get behind the team for a change instead of waiting with the pitchforks?

100% spot on! There wasnt many who put their name forward to take the job on, people need to give the team and management a bit of time. A lot of Down fans needs to be more realistic with their ambitions also, minor and u21/20 results have been brutal for 15 years  or so bar last year. We get one decent team through and boys think they will  turn the senior team around.
Going forward hopefully Barry O Hagan back, along with the Kilcoo boys, Daniel Guinness should hopefully be fit to start and Corey Quinn. That will definitely improve the team. Any word if McCrickard is able to committee? Some ask travelling from Cork tho.

Ed the management fell into the job, as James always does, and takes his friend's in with him.  So none of this rubbish  they stepped up, they getting well paid

Who is doing the coaching and getting the big county bucks for these performances apart from the uninspiring AO'R? If many of your well paid club coaches and managers continued to play without any clue about kickouts, they wouldn't be staying about too long. Kickouts are nothing to do with the opposition, generally, so it is irrelevant how good or bad the opposition is or what they have done in the past. Irrespective of when the management were appointed, if we cannot sort our own team out with the basics like kickouts then you have to question what they are doing at training.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 27, 2022, 07:54:04 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 27, 2022, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: sdg on February 27, 2022, 04:15:47 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 27, 2022, 11:13:37 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on February 27, 2022, 11:02:51 AM
Some people on here need to have a word with themselves.

We've a Down team very much in rebuild mode, not helped with the farce of the delay in appointing a manager. They came up against a Roscommon side that many of you are saying "are hardly world beaters" but they've been in four Connacht finals in a row 2016-19, winning two of those in a province with very good Mayo and Galway sides, and had just dropped out of Division 1 last season. While that doesn't make them "world beaters", they are much more established as a team and further along in their progress.

How about some of you get behind the team for a change instead of waiting with the pitchforks?

100% spot on! There wasnt many who put their name forward to take the job on, people need to give the team and management a bit of time. A lot of Down fans needs to be more realistic with their ambitions also, minor and u21/20 results have been brutal for 15 years  or so bar last year. We get one decent team through and boys think they will  turn the senior team around.
Going forward hopefully Barry O Hagan back, along with the Kilcoo boys, Daniel Guinness should hopefully be fit to start and Corey Quinn. That will definitely improve the team. Any word if McCrickard is able to committee? Some ask travelling from Cork tho.

Ed the management fell into the job, as James always does, and takes his friend's in with him.  So none of this rubbish  they stepped up, they getting well paid

Who is doing the coaching and getting the big county bucks for these performances apart from the uninspiring AO'R? If many of your well paid club coaches and managers continued to play without any clue about kickouts, they wouldn't be staying about too long. Kickouts are nothing to do with the opposition, generally, so it is irrelevant how good or bad the opposition is or what they have done in the past. Irrespective of when the management were appointed, if we cannot sort our own team out with the basics like kickouts then you have to question what they are doing at training.

Well did the kick outs work well under Tally? You think for years they didn't work on trying something, and all they could come up with was the box kick out to left. Can't keep blaming the management time after time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 27, 2022, 08:11:05 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 27, 2022, 07:54:04 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 27, 2022, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: sdg on February 27, 2022, 04:15:47 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 27, 2022, 11:13:37 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on February 27, 2022, 11:02:51 AM
Some people on here need to have a word with themselves.

We've a Down team very much in rebuild mode, not helped with the farce of the delay in appointing a manager. They came up against a Roscommon side that many of you are saying "are hardly world beaters" but they've been in four Connacht finals in a row 2016-19, winning two of those in a province with very good Mayo and Galway sides, and had just dropped out of Division 1 last season. While that doesn't make them "world beaters", they are much more established as a team and further along in their progress.

How about some of you get behind the team for a change instead of waiting with the pitchforks?

100% spot on! There wasnt many who put their name forward to take the job on, people need to give the team and management a bit of time. A lot of Down fans needs to be more realistic with their ambitions also, minor and u21/20 results have been brutal for 15 years  or so bar last year. We get one decent team through and boys think they will  turn the senior team around.
Going forward hopefully Barry O Hagan back, along with the Kilcoo boys, Daniel Guinness should hopefully be fit to start and Corey Quinn. That will definitely improve the team. Any word if McCrickard is able to committee? Some ask travelling from Cork tho.

Ed the management fell into the job, as James always does, and takes his friend's in with him.  So none of this rubbish  they stepped up, they getting well paid

Who is doing the coaching and getting the big county bucks for these performances apart from the uninspiring AO'R? If many of your well paid club coaches and managers continued to play without any clue about kickouts, they wouldn't be staying about too long. Kickouts are nothing to do with the opposition, generally, so it is irrelevant how good or bad the opposition is or what they have done in the past. Irrespective of when the management were appointed, if we cannot sort our own team out with the basics like kickouts then you have to question what they are doing at training.

Well did the kick outs work well under Tally? You think for years they didn't work on trying something, and all they could come up with was the box kick out to left. Can't keep blaming the management time after time.

The current mess is just a continuation of what the previous management did. Show me what else Tally came up with, tried out or even worked? Who do you blame then Ed, the management come up with the tactcs and the players work on this in training and then put the plan into place in games? I've seen little change from Tally's time Ed and if we can't secure our own ball on kickouts, we have little chance of making any progress.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 27, 2022, 10:18:45 PM
I don't blame anyone, I think Down are a div3 team. Haven't been producing enough quality players for long time, and I think a year or 2 in Div3 wouldn't be the end of world and might benefit the younger players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 27, 2022, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 27, 2022, 10:18:45 PM
I don't blame anyone, I think Down are a div3 team. Haven't been producing enough quality players for long time, and I think a year or 2 in Div3 wouldn't be the end of world and might benefit the younger players.

I mostly agree with you Ed. 23 years since Down has won an Ulster Minor. The gene pool would suggest this is not possible, but it has happened.

But I'm still finding myself staring into space watching this management team not even trying to change up what happened under Tally. The problems are eerily the same; obliterated at midfield, unwilling to attack with conviction or in numbers, and keeping players around for the value of experience, who just aren't up to it.

The odd thing is that for 35 mins just two years ago, Down developed an identity for one half vs Cavan that suits our current players; run hard, run fast, pass quick.  It's possibly the hardest football style to coach, because it's off the cuff.

So maybe stop over coaching? Just play to our strengths. We've a seriously quick middle 8 ready to roll. Let them roll.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 28, 2022, 08:26:01 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 27, 2022, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 27, 2022, 10:18:45 PM
I don't blame anyone, I think Down are a div3 team. Haven't been producing enough quality players for long time, and I think a year or 2 in Div3 wouldn't be the end of world and might benefit the younger players.

I mostly agree with you Ed. 23 years since Down has won an Ulster Minor. The gene pool would suggest this is not possible, but it has happened.

But I'm still finding myself staring into space watching this management team not even trying to change up what happened under Tally. The problems are eerily the same; obliterated at midfield, unwilling to attack with conviction or in numbers, and keeping players around for the value of experience, who just aren't up to it.

The odd thing is that for 35 mins just two years ago, Down developed an identity for one half vs Cavan that suits our current players; run hard, run fast, pass quick.  It's possibly the hardest football style to coach, because it's off the cuff.

So maybe stop over coaching? Just play to our strengths. We've a seriously quick middle 8 ready to roll. Let them roll.
Mostly agree with everything you have said but the last bit about the middle 8 is flawed in that I think there are only about 4 of those that started on Saturday who should be on the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on February 28, 2022, 08:48:33 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 27, 2022, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 27, 2022, 10:18:45 PM
I don't blame anyone, I think Down are a div3 team. Haven't been producing enough quality players for long time, and I think a year or 2 in Div3 wouldn't be the end of world and might benefit the younger players.

I mostly agree with you Ed. 23 years since Down has won an Ulster Minor. The gene pool would suggest this is not possible, but it has happened.

But I'm still finding myself staring into space watching this management team not even trying to change up what happened under Tally. The problems are eerily the same; obliterated at midfield, unwilling to attack with conviction or in numbers, and keeping players around for the value of experience, who just aren't up to it.

The odd thing is that for 35 mins just two years ago, Down developed an identity for one half vs Cavan that suits our current players; run hard, run fast, pass quick.  It's possibly the hardest football style to coach, because it's off the cuff.

So maybe stop over coaching? Just play to our strengths. We've a seriously quick middle 8 ready to roll. Let them roll.

Who would this middle 8 be.  I have my own thoughts on this but would be interested in hearing what others think.  For instance Mooneys best football for Down has been in the half back line so I personally think he should stay there instead of constantly being moved around the field.  I also think you cant have Niall McParland and Darren O Hagan in the same half back line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 10:08:11 AM
Rossies cut through us very easily the other night
They were on a different level and I hope we have easier games, we seemed to quit very easily and we are devoid of real leaders apart from Darren. Pat needs to lay off more ball instead of shooting from stupid positions or off-balance but he's raw and can be worked with. I hope we can get behind the team and if we stay in this division then we can regroup. MF is a problem and young Murdock should not be put under so much pressure at a young age. We have a bit of work to do before the Offally game but I am confident and if we can get the crowd behind us we should win.

People are blaming the county board for the mess but although the process was long and drawn out let's remember it was the clubs who got rid of Paddy Tally-A man who had a bit of stability! To get rid of Paddy Tally was proposed by the Kilcoo county board delegate and seconded by the Clonduff county board delegate.
People need to know the truth before the easy cop-out of blaming Jack, Sean og etc, the clubs of the county are equally to blame! #Truthhurts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 10:14:08 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 27, 2022, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 27, 2022, 10:18:45 PM
I don't blame anyone, I think Down are a div3 team. Haven't been producing enough quality players for long time, and I think a year or 2 in Div3 wouldn't be the end of world and might benefit the younger players.

I mostly agree with you Ed. 23 years since Down has won an Ulster Minor. The gene pool would suggest this is not possible, but it has happened.

But I'm still finding myself staring into space watching this management team not even trying to change up what happened under Tally. The problems are eerily the same; obliterated at midfield, unwilling to attack with conviction or in numbers, and keeping players around for the value of experience, who just aren't up to it.

The odd thing is that for 35 mins just two years ago, Down developed an identity for one half vs Cavan that suits our current players; run hard, run fast, pass quick.  It's possibly the hardest football style to coach, because it's off the cuff.

So maybe stop over coaching? Just play to our strengths. We've a seriously quick middle 8 ready to roll. Let them roll.

Who are your middle 8?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 12:05:17 PM
Fair play to Dundrum, Bryasford, Castlewellan, Drumaness, Liatriom, Ballygalget, Ballcran, and St Pauls for participating in the East Down Scor final at the weekend. But out of the 24 East Down club I think it is a sad state of affairs when only 8 clubs can get something sorted for Scor. Big clubs with massive memberships treat Scor with disdain. It is time for fines towards clubs who do not enter Scor

Clubs need to remember that

The Association shall actively support the Irish
language, traditional Irish dancing, music, song,
and other aspects of Irish culture. It shall foster
an awareness and love of the national ideals in
the people of Ireland, and assist in promoting a
community spirit through its clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on February 28, 2022, 02:03:37 PM
And where, in al that mumbo jumbo you have just listed, does it say that the only way to promote language and other aspects of traditional Irish Culture, is by involvement in Scor?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 02:19:04 PM
Quote from: Godsown on February 28, 2022, 02:03:37 PM
And where, in al that mumbo jumbo you have just listed, does it say that the only way to promote language and other aspects of traditional Irish Culture, is by involvement in Scor?

Where did I say it was the only way?
I believe that clubs should be sanctioned for not participating in the competition. Bredagh and Carryduff are the 2 biggest clubs in the county and they cannot get a Scor competitor. Give me a break.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on February 28, 2022, 02:27:59 PM
Maybe they see Scor for the outdated nonsense that it is. Perhaps GAA should try and bring the competition into 21st century or maybe just turn off the life support. I think the weekend shows us we have bigger problems in Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: Godsown on February 28, 2022, 02:27:59 PM
Maybe they see Scor for the outdated nonsense that it is. Perhaps GAA should try and bring the competition into 21st century or maybe just turn off the life support. I think the weekend shows us we have bigger problems in Down

The gaa is a bigger organization than just football you know, Clubs in the county need to realize this as we move forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on February 28, 2022, 03:15:06 PM
It is indeed time to move forward not back to 19th century and shows of Gombeenism and nepotism. Now hurry on for the school bus and we can pick up again in the morning .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: Godsown on February 28, 2022, 02:27:59 PM
Maybe they see Scor for the outdated nonsense that it is. Perhaps GAA should try and bring the competition into 21st century or maybe just turn off the life support. I think the weekend shows us we have bigger problems in Down

The gaa is a bigger organization than just football you know, Clubs in the county need to realize this as we move forward.
Yes and there is also Hurling plus our sister organisations Camogie and Ladies Football.Young ones join up to play games not to participate
in Elocution or Speak/Drama type activities.This singing of our National anthem before National League fixtures is from a time long since defunct.
Fine for Championship maybe but in freezing depths of winter it's a complete nonsense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 03:33:18 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: Godsown on February 28, 2022, 02:27:59 PM
Maybe they see Scor for the outdated nonsense that it is. Perhaps GAA should try and bring the competition into 21st century or maybe just turn off the life support. I think the weekend shows us we have bigger problems in Down

The gaa is a bigger organization than just football you know, Clubs in the county need to realize this as we move forward.
Yes and there is also Hurling plus our sister organisations Camogie and Ladies Football.Young ones join up to play games not to participate
in Elocution or Speak/Drama type activities.This singing of our National anthem before National League fixtures is from a time long since defunct.
Fine for Championship maybe but in freezing depths of winter it's a complete nonsense.

Thats not true and many young people love the Scor , I am happy that there are a few true GAA clubs in the county who push this and keep it going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 04:11:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 03:33:18 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: Godsown on February 28, 2022, 02:27:59 PM
Maybe they see Scor for the outdated nonsense that it is. Perhaps GAA should try and bring the competition into 21st century or maybe just turn off the life support. I think the weekend shows us we have bigger problems in Down

The gaa is a bigger organization than just football you know, Clubs in the county need to realize this as we move forward.
Yes and there is also Hurling plus our sister organisations Camogie and Ladies Football.Young ones join up to play games not to participate
in Elocution or Speak/Drama type activities.This singing of our National anthem before National League fixtures is from a time long since defunct.
Fine for Championship maybe but in freezing depths of winter it's a complete nonsense.

Thats not true and mnay young people love the Scor , I am happy that there are a few true GAA clubs in the county who push this and keep it going.
Each to their own and I do really hope you enjoy it each year but stop ramming the Scor thing down everyone throats on an annual basis.Does your own child/children or even yourself participate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 04:20:21 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 04:11:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 03:33:18 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: Godsown on February 28, 2022, 02:27:59 PM
Maybe they see Scor for the outdated nonsense that it is. Perhaps GAA should try and bring the competition into 21st century or maybe just turn off the life support. I think the weekend shows us we have bigger problems in Down

The gaa is a bigger organization than just football you know, Clubs in the county need to realize this as we move forward.

Yes they do, I am not ramming it, i just believe that we are in danger of losing our culture.
    Yes and there is also Hurling plus our sister organisations Camogie and Ladies Football.Young ones join up to play games not to participate
in Elocution or Speak/Drama type activities.This singing of our National anthem before National League fixtures is from a time long since defunct.
Fine for Championship maybe but in freezing depths of winter it's a complete nonsense.

Thats not true and mnay young people love the Scor , I am happy that there are a few true GAA clubs in the county who push this and keep it going.
Each to their own and I do really hope you enjoy it each year but stop ramming the Scor thing down everyone throats on an annual basis.Does your own child/children or even yourself participate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 04:20:21 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 04:11:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 03:33:18 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: Godsown on February 28, 2022, 02:27:59 PM
Maybe they see Scor for the outdated nonsense that it is. Perhaps GAA should try and bring the competition into 21st century or maybe just turn off the life support. I think the weekend shows us we have bigger problems in Down

The gaa is a bigger organization than just football you know, Clubs in the county need to realize this as we move forward.

Yes they do, I am not ramming it, i just believe that we are in danger of losing our culture.
    Yes and there is also Hurling plus our sister organisations Camogie and Ladies Football.Young ones join up to play games not to participate
in Elocution or Speak/Drama type activities.This singing of our National anthem before National League fixtures is from a time long since defunct.
Fine for Championship maybe but in freezing depths of winter it's a complete nonsense.

Thats not true and mnay young people love the Scor , I am happy that there are a few true GAA clubs in the county who push this and keep it going.
Each to their own and I do really hope you enjoy it each year but stop ramming the Scor thing down everyone throats on an annual basis.Does your own child/children or even yourself participate?
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 28, 2022, 05:40:03 PM
Scor is a pile of outdated crap. Friends of mine forced their children to participate for years due to their beliefs in it - when the children turned 16 Scor was long gone. No one only old knee tapping people are interested in it in 2022. Fine the clubs - give me a break. They would gladly pay it to get rid of it from the calendar..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on February 28, 2022, 07:20:14 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 03:33:18 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: Godsown on February 28, 2022, 02:27:59 PM
Maybe they see Scor for the outdated nonsense that it is. Perhaps GAA should try and bring the competition into 21st century or maybe just turn off the life support. I think the weekend shows us we have bigger problems in Down

The gaa is a bigger organization than just football you know, Clubs in the county need to realize this as we move forward.
Yes and there is also Hurling plus our sister organisations Camogie and Ladies Football.Young ones join up to play games not to participate
in Elocution or Speak/Drama type activities.This singing of our National anthem before National League fixtures is from a time long since defunct.
Fine for Championship maybe but in freezing depths of winter it's a complete nonsense.

Thats not true and many young people love the Scor , I am happy that there are a few true GAA clubs in the county who push this and keep it going.
So, what defines a true GAA club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on February 28, 2022, 07:27:48 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 04:20:21 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 04:11:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 03:33:18 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: Godsown on February 28, 2022, 02:27:59 PM
Maybe they see Scor for the outdated nonsense that it is. Perhaps GAA should try and bring the competition into 21st century or maybe just turn off the life support. I think the weekend shows us we have bigger problems in Down

The gaa is a bigger organization than just football you know, Clubs in the county need to realize this as we move forward.

Yes they do, I am not ramming it, i just believe that we are in danger of losing our culture.
    Yes and there is also Hurling plus our sister organisations Camogie and Ladies Football.Young ones join up to play games not to participate
in Elocution or Speak/Drama type activities.This singing of our National anthem before National League fixtures is from a time long since defunct.
Fine for Championship maybe but in freezing depths of winter it's a complete nonsense.

Thats not true and mnay young people love the Scor , I am happy that there are a few true GAA clubs in the county who push this and keep it going.
Each to their own and I do really hope you enjoy it each year but stop ramming the Scor thing down everyone throats on an annual basis.Does your own child/children or even yourself participate?
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Most sensible post I've seen from our learned & well connected friend.
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 07:42:23 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on February 28, 2022, 07:27:48 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 04:20:21 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 04:11:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 03:33:18 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: Godsown on February 28, 2022, 02:27:59 PM
Maybe they see Scor for the outdated nonsense that it is. Perhaps GAA should try and bring the competition into 21st century or maybe just turn off the life support. I think the weekend shows us we have bigger problems in Down

The gaa is a bigger organization than just football you know, Clubs in the county need to realize this as we move forward.

Yes they do, I am not ramming it, i just believe that we are in danger of losing our culture.
    Yes and there is also Hurling plus our sister organisations Camogie and Ladies Football.Young ones join up to play games not to participate
in Elocution or Speak/Drama type activities.This singing of our National anthem before National League fixtures is from a time long since defunct.
Fine for Championship maybe but in freezing depths of winter it's a complete nonsense.

Thats not true and mnay young people love the Scor , I am happy that there are a few true GAA clubs in the county who push this and keep it going.
Each to their own and I do really hope you enjoy it each year but stop ramming the Scor thing down everyone throats on an annual basis.Does your own child/children or even yourself participate?
Blank reply?


Most sensible post I've seen from our learned & well connected friend.
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Hilarious🕺🕺🕺
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on February 28, 2022, 10:47:05 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 26, 2022, 01:36:35 PM
U20's beat Antrim 3.5 to 0.9 in Ballykinlar. Anyone at it?

Bit late on this one - team from memory (could be wrong on 1 or 2 of them) was

1 C Grant

2 M Hynds
3 R Magill
4 A Cole

5 C Rodgers
6 P McCarthy
7 P McEvoy

8 S Donegan
9 S Carr

10 O Cunningham
11 P Clancy
12 H. Magill

13 O Savage
14 A Crimmins
15 S McCusker

Rest of Kilcoo lads back this week.

Tough conditions with the wind.

Reasonable 1st half built up enough of a lead to get over the line. Antrim outscored them in 2nd half. But Down had more goal chances but didn't take them.

Lots of subs as you would expect early in the season - guess the management are still working out their best team.

Tyrone next week will give a better indication of how they are doing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 28, 2022, 11:17:20 PM


Tyrone next week will give a better indication of how they are doing.

[/quote]

Where is Tyrone game???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 01, 2022, 09:34:04 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 04:11:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 03:33:18 PM
Quote from: SamFever on February 28, 2022, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 28, 2022, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: Godsown on February 28, 2022, 02:27:59 PM
Maybe they see Scor for the outdated nonsense that it is. Perhaps GAA should try and bring the competition into 21st century or maybe just turn off the life support. I think the weekend shows us we have bigger problems in Down

The gaa is a bigger organization than just football you know, Clubs in the county need to realize this as we move forward.
Yes and there is also Hurling plus our sister organisations Camogie and Ladies Football.Young ones join up to play games not to participate
in Elocution or Speak/Drama type activities.This singing of our National anthem before National League fixtures is from a time long since defunct.
Fine for Championship maybe but in freezing depths of winter it's a complete nonsense.

Thats not true and mnay young people love the Scor , I am happy that there are a few true GAA clubs in the county who push this and keep it going.
Each to their own and I do really hope you enjoy it each year but stop ramming the Scor thing down everyone throats on an annual basis.Does your own child/children or even yourself participate?

Yes they do, we are in danger of losing our identity. Scor is a massive part of the GAA and we need to embrace it.

There are only a few true traditional GAA clubs in the county and I won't be naming them and I don want to offend the rest, but true Gaels know who they are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 01, 2022, 09:49:18 AM
The magpies on the lookout for a new manager. What memories they will have of the Mickey Moran era. What a manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 01, 2022, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 01, 2022, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 01, 2022, 09:49:18 AM
The magpies on the lookout for a new manager. What memories they will have of the Mickey Moran era. What a manager.
As told to you by a prominent East Down source in an eating house in the East.

nah its just common knowledge in this area.

Will the league fixtures be released in time for the leagues to start? Were they not supposed to be out weeks ago?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on March 01, 2022, 12:55:34 PM
No they are going to release the fixtures two weeks after they start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 01, 2022, 01:50:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 01, 2022, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 01, 2022, 11:55:46 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 01, 2022, 09:49:18 AM
The magpies on the lookout for a new manager. What memories they will have of the Mickey Moran era. What a manager.
As told to you by a prominent East Down source in an eating house in the East.

nah its just common knowledge in this area.

Will the league fixtures be released in time for the leagues to start? Were they not supposed to be out weeks ago?

Clubs are to get a text on the Friday morning to confirm their fixture for that night, in a new and bold development in how the league is to be run from now on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 01, 2022, 02:26:06 PM
The south Down clubs probably sill crying over the league proposals
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 01, 2022, 02:30:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 01, 2022, 02:26:06 PM
The south Down clubs probably sill crying over the league proposals
No crying from my neck of the woods.You're very spiteful in most of your
postings.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 01, 2022, 04:09:02 PM
I never target individuals
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on March 01, 2022, 04:12:16 PM
Fair point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 01, 2022, 05:38:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 01, 2022, 04:09:02 PM
I never target individuals
Just certain areas and Clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 01, 2022, 06:08:35 PM
Fixtures out. Looks like a few heavy duty fixtures in round one. I'm sure Bryansford have the honour of playing the All Ireland champions first.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 01, 2022, 11:17:41 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 01, 2022, 06:08:35 PM
Fixtures out. Looks like a few heavy duty fixtures in round one. I'm sure Bryansford have the honour of playing the All Ireland champions first.
Division two will be interesting also although County panellists availability is going to hurt a lot Clubs in 1&2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on March 02, 2022, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 01, 2022, 11:17:41 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 01, 2022, 06:08:35 PM
Fixtures out. Looks like a few heavy duty fixtures in round one. I'm sure Bryansford have the honour of playing the All Ireland champions first.
Division two will be interesting also although County panellists availability is going to hurt a lot Clubs in 1&2.

Is it confirmed that clubs will be without county players until Down exit the championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 02, 2022, 12:57:05 PM
Quote from: mourneman9194 on March 02, 2022, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 01, 2022, 11:17:41 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 01, 2022, 06:08:35 PM
Fixtures out. Looks like a few heavy duty fixtures in round one. I'm sure Bryansford have the honour of playing the All Ireland champions first.
Division two will be interesting also although County panellists availability is going to hurt a lot Clubs in 1&2.

Is it confirmed that clubs will be without county players until Down exit the championship?
Will that include involvement in the Tailteann Cup?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on March 02, 2022, 04:36:31 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 28, 2022, 11:17:20 PM


Tyrone next week will give a better indication of how they are doing.


Where is Tyrone game???
[/quote]

Garvaghey - keep an eye on the Down website if you're thinking of going - throw in time has changed a couple of times already.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 02, 2022, 05:25:13 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 01, 2022, 11:17:41 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 01, 2022, 06:08:35 PM
Fixtures out. Looks like a few heavy duty fixtures in round one. I'm sure Bryansford have the honour of playing the All Ireland champions first.
Division two will be interesting also although County panellists availability is going to hurt a lot Clubs in 1&2.

Couple of mourne derbies in the mix too. Gonna be a great start to the season!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 03, 2022, 09:38:18 AM
team for Offally
1. Bobo
2. Peter
3. Finn
4.Gerard
5. Darren
6.Daniel
7. Caolan
8. Ryan
9.Dylan
10.Odhran
11. Liam
12.Cellium
13.Jerome
14.Corey
15.Andrew
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 03, 2022, 12:01:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 03, 2022, 09:38:18 AM
team for Offally
1. Bobo
2. Peter
3. Finn
4.Gerard
5. Darren
6.Daniel
7. Caolan
8. Ryan
9.Dylan
10.Odhran
11. Liam
12.Cellium
13.Jerome
14.Corey
15.Andrew
As told to you by a prominent East Down source in an eating house in the East
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 03, 2022, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 03, 2022, 12:01:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 03, 2022, 09:38:18 AM
team for Offally
1. Bobo
2. Peter
3. Finn
4.Gerard
5. Darren
6.Daniel
7. Caolan
8. Ryan
9.Dylan
10.Odhran
11. Liam
12.Cellium
13.Jerome
14.Corey
15.Andrew
As told to you by a prominent East Down source in an eating house in the East

No this is what team I would like to see v Offally, loads of pace and brainy players. Too many times in the previous games we have been making very poor decisions, especially around the goal area.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 03, 2022, 01:58:37 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 03, 2022, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 03, 2022, 12:01:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 03, 2022, 09:38:18 AM
team for Offally
1. Bobo
2. Peter
3. Finn
4.Gerard
5. Darren
6.Daniel
7. Caolan
8. Ryan
9.Dylan
10.Odhran
11. Liam
12.Cellium
13.Jerome
14.Corey
15.Andrew
As told to you by a prominent East Down source in an eating house in the East

No this is what team I would like to see v Offally, loads of pace and brainy players. Too many times in the previous games we have been making very poor decisions, especially around the goal area.

Is Dylan Ward even on the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 03, 2022, 02:08:01 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 03, 2022, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 03, 2022, 12:01:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 03, 2022, 09:38:18 AM
team for Offally
1. Bobo
2. Peter
3. Finn
4.Gerard
5. Darren
6.Daniel
7. Caolan
8. Ryan
9.Dylan
10.Odhran
11. Liam
12.Cellium
13.Jerome
14.Corey
15.Andrew
As told to you by a prominent East Down source in an eating house in the East

No this is what team I would like to see v Offally, loads of pace and brainy players. Too many times in the previous games we have been making very poor decisions, especially around the goal area.
Have you been at any of the matches or are you relying on the sh—e BBC covering?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 03, 2022, 02:32:14 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 03, 2022, 02:08:01 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 03, 2022, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 03, 2022, 12:01:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 03, 2022, 09:38:18 AM
team for Offally
1. Bobo
2. Peter
3. Finn
4.Gerard
5. Darren
6.Daniel
7. Caolan
8. Ryan
9.Dylan
10.Odhran
11. Liam
12.Cellium
13.Jerome
14.Corey
15.Andrew
As told to you by a prominent East Down source in an eating house in the East

No this is what team I would like to see v Offally, loads of pace and brainy players. Too many times in the previous games we have been making very poor decisions, especially around the goal area.
Have you been at any of the matches or are you relying on the sh—e BBC covering?

No I am not an armchair Down GAA critic like the majority of so called Gaels in this county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 04, 2022, 08:59:30 AM
Why is Donal O'hare not playing for Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 04, 2022, 11:01:12 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 04, 2022, 08:59:30 AM
Why is Donal O'hare not playing for Down?
Maybe ask some of your prominent friends in the East?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 04, 2022, 12:13:21 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 04, 2022, 11:01:12 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 04, 2022, 08:59:30 AM
Why is Donal O'hare not playing for Down?
Maybe ask some of your prominent friends in the East?

We don't hear the going on of the traditional liberal elite clubs in the south of the county. He would be some additional even if just for frees.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 04, 2022, 12:15:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 04, 2022, 12:13:21 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 04, 2022, 11:01:12 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 04, 2022, 08:59:30 AM
Why is Donal O'hare not playing for Down?
Maybe ask some of your prominent friends in the East?

We don't hear the going on of the traditional liberal elite clubs in the south of the county. He would be some additional even if just for frees.
Jesus, your starting to sound like Jamie Bryson with your liberal elite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 04, 2022, 12:25:13 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 04, 2022, 12:15:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 04, 2022, 12:13:21 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 04, 2022, 11:01:12 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 04, 2022, 08:59:30 AM
Why is Donal O'hare not playing for Down?
Maybe ask some of your prominent friends in the East?

We don't hear the going on of the traditional liberal elite clubs in the south of the county. He would be some additional even if just for frees.
Jesus, your starting to sound like Jamie Bryson with your liberal elite.

wiberal ewite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on March 04, 2022, 12:27:28 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 04, 2022, 12:15:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 04, 2022, 12:13:21 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 04, 2022, 11:01:12 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 04, 2022, 08:59:30 AM
Why is Donal O'hare not playing for Down?
Maybe ask some of your prominent friends in the East?

We don't hear the going on of the traditional liberal elite clubs in the south of the county. He would be some additional even if just for frees.
Jesus, your starting to sound like Jamie Bryson with your liberal elite.
He's starting to sound like Down Jim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on March 04, 2022, 01:45:28 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 04, 2022, 08:59:30 AM
Why is Donal O'hare not playing for Down?
Think knee injuries took their toll on him so he has to limit the amount of football he plays
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 04, 2022, 05:09:26 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 04, 2022, 08:59:30 AM
Why is Donal O'hare not playing for Down?

He would not be up to that level now. Let's be honest when the pressure is on he very rarely scores from open play - just ask Niall Brannigan or Adam Lynch who regularly clean him out in club games. Deadly accurate at free kicks but so is BO'H. Donal had his day and was a great servant to his county - he made the correct decision IMO to step away. I wonder would he have a word with his club mate and tell him to step away before he is only remembered for inept performances...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 05, 2022, 12:34:19 PM
U20's Well beaten by tyrone this morning. 3.14 to 0.7. Due to the lack of social media posts, no of idea of the starting team or the squad. So far behind other counties with this, it's laughable.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 05, 2022, 12:42:36 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 05, 2022, 12:34:19 PM
U20's Well beaten by tyrone this morning. 3.14 to 0.7. Due to the lack of social media posts, no of idea of the starting team or the squad. So far behind other counties with this, it's laughable.

Have they even advertised fixtures for the games in the Cup? I had to search on twitter to see where the game against Antrim was being played and Bryansford twitter account the only ones I seen posting about venue and time change
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 05, 2022, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 05, 2022, 12:34:19 PM
U20's Well beaten by tyrone this morning. 3.14 to 0.7. Due to the lack of social media posts, no of idea of the starting team or the squad. So far behind other counties with this, it's laughable.

Down actually has one of the best social media presences of any county board in Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 05, 2022, 03:51:30 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2022, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 05, 2022, 12:34:19 PM
U20's Well beaten by tyrone this morning. 3.14 to 0.7. Due to the lack of social media posts, no of idea of the starting team or the squad. So far behind other counties with this, it's laughable.

Down actually has one of the best social media presences of any county board in Ireland.
Go and look at the tyrone twitter account and look at Down's the difference is night and day. Louth was the same 2weeks ago. Donegal named their u16 development squad last week. Only a small bit of recognition but would be a great buzz for a 15/16 year old to see their name and photo on county's social media account.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on March 05, 2022, 06:34:20 PM
Maybe getting tanked by Tyrone u20s is the reason why the down twitter feed is quiet!
Down Pro is poor. Miles behind most other counties. Take a look at Tyrone Armagh or Donegal. Last year our u20s were fortunate with a relatively hand draw. No ulster title this year!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 05, 2022, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2022, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 05, 2022, 12:34:19 PM
U20's Well beaten by tyrone this morning. 3.14 to 0.7. Due to the lack of social media posts, no of idea of the starting team or the squad. So far behind other counties with this, it's laughable.

Down actually has one of the best social media presences of any county board in Ireland.

Has to be one of the funniest posts on here in a while - you don't actually believe this, it has been a shambles for years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 05, 2022, 08:29:28 PM
Quote from: Lotto on March 05, 2022, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2022, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 05, 2022, 12:34:19 PM
U20's Well beaten by tyrone this morning. 3.14 to 0.7. Due to the lack of social media posts, no of idea of the starting team or the squad. So far behind other counties with this, it's laughable.

Down actually has one of the best social media presences of any county board in Ireland.

Has to be one of the funniest posts on here in a while - you don't actually believe this, it has been a shambles for years.

It's really not Lotto. To be honest I think there's a needy and unfair expectation from some that the county board's social media team should be on duty for 20+ hours a week every week, publishing anything and everything.

It's also often at odds with what is actually possible. If team management refuse to release information, then they can't make it up.... Unless you think PRO folks should be able to identify by face, a panel of 25 x 19 year olds. And there's more than a few ultra paranoid managers in football these day who ascribe to the paranoid absolute nonsense that publishing a team sheet online, or live tweeting the flow of a game, is revealing their hand to future opponents and therefore giving away an advantage.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 05, 2022, 08:42:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2022, 08:29:28 PM
Quote from: Lotto on March 05, 2022, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2022, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 05, 2022, 12:34:19 PM
U20's Well beaten by tyrone this morning. 3.14 to 0.7. Due to the lack of social media posts, no of idea of the starting team or the squad. So far behind other counties with this, it's laughable.

Down actually has one of the best social media presences of any county board in Ireland.

Has to be one of the funniest posts on here in a while - you don't actually believe this, it has been a shambles for years.

It's really not Lotto. To be honest I think there's a needy and unfair expectation from some that the county board's social media team should be on duty for 20+ hours a week every week, publishing anything and everything.

It's also often at odds with what is actually possible. If team management refuse to release information, then they can't make it up.... Unless you think PRO folks should be able to identify by face, a panel of 25 x 19 year olds. And there's more than a few ultra paranoid managers in football these day who ascribe to the paranoid absolute nonsense that publishing a team sheet online, or live tweeting the flow of a game, is revealing their hand to future opponents and therefore giving away an advantage.

I do agree with Lotto and Ed it could be better tbf TheWob - only reason I say that is if you look at the Down LGFA Facebook page for example the coverage and posts they put up is excellent, anything about ladies football in the county from clubs it's shared on there and they've a great outlet there for the ladies side of the county. Team sheets, panel info, management teams etc

I think that's what the two guys are getting at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 05, 2022, 09:09:03 PM
Honestly Mourne Red, my gut instinct is that is a cultural issue within men's football (maybe hurling too) at county level, and not one that PR can fix or control.

The paranoia is rampant.

I guarantee you that there are men involved in various ranks whose containment game plan is no more complicated than what managers did 50 years ago - ie identify and try to nullify their opponent's 2-3 best players - but at the same time, will shit bricks about their championship opponents seeing their team sheet. They don't recognise that this is a paradox.

It's been creeping across club football the past couple of years too.

I do tweets for our club sometimes, which involves asking opposing management for a team. Half of them won't give it until after the tracksuit tops are off and numbers are revealed. In one game last year, a man deliberately read out the team back to front to me ie named all the defenders as forwards, and the keeper outfield. I'd another manager changed the numbering of every forward from that that was on the official team sheet. I've had players in my own club have a go at me for revealing too much about how we played.

They're all going mad upstairs.

Trust me when I tell you that Tweeting information that you know is wrong, is no better than not Tweeting at all. People will give out either way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 06, 2022, 12:16:34 AM
So when our u20s play an actual superpower of football they get embarrassed.. I told yas last year was a joke title with the big guns taking each other out on one side of the draw whilst we beat the minnows. We literally had to beat Monaghan who were arguably missing their most influential player god rest him. So despite not knowing teams/panels etc - the real elephant in the room is we are inept at this age group. We need a complete overhaul of underage structures and fixture planning within the county. And this is not a knee jerk reaction to a defeat - this has been coming a while..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 06, 2022, 09:07:39 AM
You are basing this on a challenge against a team they are likely to face in the championship in 6 weeks ? Do you think by any chance there might have been a few players missing, a few players playingout of position, hiding of a few tactical ploys? If not I'd be surprised and extremely disappointed in Lavertys footballing intelligence.

On a side note was the under 20s coaches training the seniors during the week ?  What does that tell u about our senior setup ...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 06, 2022, 09:24:27 AM
I was thinking the same myself WGM. Are there many lads from last years panel eligible this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 06, 2022, 12:23:06 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 06, 2022, 09:07:39 AM
You are basing this on a challenge against a team they are likely to face in the championship in 6 weeks ? Do you think by any chance there might have been a few players missing, a few players playingout of position, hiding of a few tactical ploys? If not I'd be surprised and extremely disappointed in Lavertys footballing intelligence.

On a side note was the under 20s coaches training the seniors during the week ?  What does that tell u about our senior setup ...
My thinking also. Leo murphy is 3 friendlies. Didn't Down u20s hammer everyone in sight in it 2 years ago to then lose to Donegal in the championship. While Down have a very poor record v Tyrone at all levels in the last 25 years I wouldn't be too bothered about a preseason loss.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 06, 2022, 03:52:29 PM
Big result for the hurlers. 1.18 to 1.16 win in Mullingar. Well Done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 06, 2022, 04:18:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2022, 08:29:28 PM
Quote from: Lotto on March 05, 2022, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2022, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 05, 2022, 12:34:19 PM
U20's Well beaten by tyrone this morning. 3.14 to 0.7. Due to the lack of social media posts, no of idea of the starting team or the squad. So far behind other counties with this, it's laughable.

Down actually has one of the best social media presences of any county board in Ireland.

Has to be one of the funniest posts on here in a while - you don't actually believe this, it has been a shambles for years.

It's really not Lotto. To be honest I think there's a needy and unfair expectation from some that the county board's social media team should be on duty for 20+ hours a week every week, publishing anything and everything.

It's also often at odds with what is actually possible. If team management refuse to release information, then they can't make it up.... Unless you think PRO folks should be able to identify by face, a panel of 25 x 19 year olds. And there's more than a few ultra paranoid managers in football these day who ascribe to the paranoid absolute nonsense that publishing a team sheet online, or live tweeting the flow of a game, is revealing their hand to future opponents and therefore giving away an advantage.

Wobbler, in one week Down have one tweet on a school game, one on the league fixtures, one on a Hurling course and one on a football course, 2 tweets on the Down U.20 scores, Down Hurling team and scores throughout the game so apart from the county Hurling game there were only 6 tweets in a week. We are not asking for anything more keeping us informed but surely there was more going on in the county this week that could have been publicised. Most clubs do a better job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 06, 2022, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 06, 2022, 03:52:29 PM
Big result for the hurlers. 1.18 to 1.16 win in Mullingar. Well Done.
brilliant result. Great to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 06, 2022, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 06, 2022, 09:07:39 AM
You are basing this on a challenge against a team they are likely to face in the championship in 6 weeks ? Do you think by any chance there might have been a few players missing, a few players playingout of position, hiding of a few tactical ploys? If not I'd be surprised and extremely disappointed in Lavertys footballing intelligence.

On a side note was the under 20s coaches training the seniors during the week ?  What does that tell u about our senior setup ...

What is this all about, we're giving serious bucks to a coaching setup and they get other people to train the team? Laverty didn't want to be taking the seniors and now he is in there by the back door. I know the original setup aren't getting results but surely this is hitting the panic button a bit. U.20's result yesterday Tyrone 3-14 Down 0-07 and now they are telling the seniors what to do. What a crazy situation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 06, 2022, 05:17:42 PM
Quote from: Lotto on March 06, 2022, 04:18:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2022, 08:29:28 PM
Quote from: Lotto on March 05, 2022, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2022, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 05, 2022, 12:34:19 PM
U20's Well beaten by tyrone this morning. 3.14 to 0.7. Due to the lack of social media posts, no of idea of the starting team or the squad. So far behind other counties with this, it's laughable.

Down actually has one of the best social media presences of any county board in Ireland.

Has to be one of the funniest posts on here in a while - you don't actually believe this, it has been a shambles for years.

It's really not Lotto. To be honest I think there's a needy and unfair expectation from some that the county board's social media team should be on duty for 20+ hours a week every week, publishing anything and everything.

It's also often at odds with what is actually possible. If team management refuse to release information, then they can't make it up.... Unless you think PRO folks should be able to identify by face, a panel of 25 x 19 year olds. And there's more than a few ultra paranoid managers in football these day who ascribe to the paranoid absolute nonsense that publishing a team sheet online, or live tweeting the flow of a game, is revealing their hand to future opponents and therefore giving away an advantage.

Wobbler, in one week Down have one tweet on a school game, one on the league fixtures, one on a Hurling course and one on a football course, 2 tweets on the Down U.20 scores, Down Hurling team and scores throughout the game so apart from the county Hurling game there were only 6 tweets in a week. We are not asking for anything more keeping us informed but surely there was more going on in the county this week that could have been publicised. Most clubs do a better job.

So quite a few tweets on different things going on in the county that could be of interest to people...coaching courses, schools football, I see Scór in there too on Facebook, plus the u20 & hurling games. Don't think you've done your argument much good there Lotto I'm afraid. The counties we are 'miles behind' as some have put it like Tyrone, during this week, before the weekend had one tweet on Ukraine support, and two on U17 football, hardly groundbreaking. Some people just love a good moan unfortunately.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 06, 2022, 05:20:38 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 06, 2022, 12:23:06 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 06, 2022, 09:07:39 AM
You are basing this on a challenge against a team they are likely to face in the championship in 6 weeks ? Do you think by any chance there might have been a few players missing, a few players playingout of position, hiding of a few tactical ploys? If not I'd be surprised and extremely disappointed in Lavertys footballing intelligence.

On a side note was the under 20s coaches training the seniors during the week ?  What does that tell u about our senior setup ...
My thinking also. Leo murphy is 3 friendlies. Didn't Down u20s hammer everyone in sight in it 2 years ago to then lose to Donegal in the championship. While Down have a very poor record v Tyrone at all levels in the last 25 years I wouldn't be too bothered about a preseason loss.

3 friendlies - but yet when we win the previous two games we are class and management is best ever. Now we get beat it's only friendliest and Laverty is being shrewd with team selection.. it's like listening to kids in the park sometimes...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 07, 2022, 11:05:02 AM
 Wee James getting the excuses in early in advance of Sat's must win game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 07, 2022, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 07, 2022, 11:05:02 AM
Wee James getting the excuses in early in advance of Sat's must win game.
17 players trained at weekend. Would he not be able to call up players to the squad? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 07, 2022, 11:15:10 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 06, 2022, 04:47:40 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 06, 2022, 03:52:29 PM
Big result for the hurlers. 1.18 to 1.16 win in Mullingar. Well Done.
brilliant result. Great to see.

Was a good result, two missed penalties, Down put one wide, Stephen Keith at the other end has a very good record of saving them at the other.

One arse cheek in the Div2A promotion final, but could be scuppered in the last round if Kerry beat them and Westmeath take the points off Kildare in Newbridge.

It's been a while since Kerry have travelled North so hopefully the home venue shades it for Down, but even at that a third spot would secure the "semi-final" in so much as it's a 3rd vrs 2nd place game to see who plays the 1st placed time in the final.

One game too many IMO for this nonsense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 07, 2022, 12:11:26 PM
What way is the u19 competition going? I see RGU did not field yesterday. I suppose the Armagh clubs filled in a hole for the team who could not field but I cannot see anyone beating Burren.

A big week for us and I really hope and I think we can beat Offally. Team selection will be massive but I think if we get the right team out we should do it.

It is excellent to see the hurlers doing well. Fair play to Ronan and the boys.

In relation to the PR, some people like to have a moan against volunteers for no reason. Down GAA PR is really good and is run by a good group of volunteers. I have no doubt they will be glad of more help from the likes of lotto, mourne red and Ed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 07, 2022, 12:46:58 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 07, 2022, 12:31:04 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 07, 2022, 12:11:26 PM
What way is the u19 competition going? I see RGU did not field yesterday. I suppose the Armagh clubs filled in a hole for the team who could not field but I cannot see anyone beating Burren.

A big week for us and I really hope and I think we can beat Offally. Team selection will be massive but I think if we get the right team out we should do it.

It is excellent to see the hurlers doing well. Fair play to Ronan and the boys.

In relation to the PR, some people like to have a moan against volunteers for no reason. Down GAA PR is really good and is run by a good group of volunteers. I have no doubt they will be glad of more help from the likes of lotto, mourne red and Ed.

Too busy playing and coaching Truth - maybe if you got out of the eateries in East Down you'd be able help your own club out and get Ballykinlar off its hole.

All I did was compare it to the ladies pr which I prefer the way they work but TheWob mad a good point about the paranoia of mens football

Down LGFA facebook is too much fss Yetsreday morning our u14 went for a walk up the mountain. Like come on lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on March 07, 2022, 01:49:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 07, 2022, 12:31:04 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 07, 2022, 12:11:26 PM
What way is the u19 competition going? I see RGU did not field yesterday. I suppose the Armagh clubs filled in a hole for the team who could not field but I cannot see anyone beating Burren.

A big week for us and I really hope and I think we can beat Offally. Team selection will be massive but I think if we get the right team out we should do it.

It is excellent to see the hurlers doing well. Fair play to Ronan and the boys.

In relation to the PR, some people like to have a moan against volunteers for no reason. Down GAA PR is really good and is run by a good group of volunteers. I have no doubt they will be glad of more help from the likes of lotto, mourne red and Ed.

Too busy playing and coaching Truth - maybe if you got out of the eateries in East Down you'd be able help your own club out and get Ballykinlar off its hole.

Ex Dundrum and now Loughinisland player and coaching guru?? ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on March 07, 2022, 04:43:58 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 06, 2022, 12:23:06 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 06, 2022, 09:07:39 AM
You are basing this on a challenge against a team they are likely to face in the championship in 6 weeks ? Do you think by any chance there might have been a few players missing, a few players playingout of position, hiding of a few tactical ploys? If not I'd be surprised and extremely disappointed in Lavertys footballing intelligence.

On a side note was the under 20s coaches training the seniors during the week ?  What does that tell u about our senior setup ...
My thinking also. Leo murphy is 3 friendlies. Didn't Down u20s hammer everyone in sight in it 2 years ago to then lose to Donegal in the championship. While Down have a very poor record v Tyrone at all levels in the last 25 years I wouldn't be too bothered about a preseason loss.

U20 Lineup on Saturday (again from memory and some of the starters were wearing sub jerseys).

1 T Burns
2 M Hynds
3 R Magill
4 J Kane
5 P McCarthy
6 C Rodgers
7 P McEvoy
8 S Donegan
9 S Carr
10 J Rodgers
11 C McLoughlin
12 O Savage
13 S McCusker
14 P Clancy
15  L Clarke

Couple of things on last years team:

To say they only won because of a easy draw is whataboutery and takes away from the young lads achievement. They can only beat who's in front of them and to be fair there's been a few times in recent years where a so called 'favourable draw' has proved not to be the case (like the minors a couple of years back v Fermanagh). Anyone who watched last year's team will know they were a good team and I would say would have had a good chance even if they had have drawn some of the 'super powers'. We'll never know but that shouldn't detract from their achievement.

This year's panel is nearly a completely different team from last year - only 2 starters from last year have played so far - a few more from the panel still in there but I think Sean Og was only one to get championship match time last year.

Total clearout of midfield and forward line from last year. Last years group of forwards in particular were a good crop and would be hard to replace them all.

Looking at Saturday they were dominated in midfield and nothing stuck up front.

Would need O Murdock back to midfield (not sure if that will happen now he's in senior panel) and J McGovern back up front (soccer commitments might not allow this) to strengthen team.

Obviously a few missing as well this week - not sure if it was illness/injury or just CL playing his cards close to his chest. Probably a combination of both.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 07, 2022, 04:52:09 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 07, 2022, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 07, 2022, 11:05:02 AM
Wee James getting the excuses in early in advance of Sat's must win game.
17 players trained at weekend. Would he not be able to call up players to the squad?
Too many were dropped from the squad too soon.It's not as if the existing ones
are shining.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 07, 2022, 08:36:30 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on March 07, 2022, 01:49:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 07, 2022, 12:31:04 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 07, 2022, 12:11:26 PM
What way is the u19 competition going? I see RGU did not field yesterday. I suppose the Armagh clubs filled in a hole for the team who could not field but I cannot see anyone beating Burren.

A big week for us and I really hope and I think we can beat Offally. Team selection will be massive but I think if we get the right team out we should do it.

It is excellent to see the hurlers doing well. Fair play to Ronan and the boys.

In relation to the PR, some people like to have a moan against volunteers for no reason. Down GAA PR is really good and is run by a good group of volunteers. I have no doubt they will be glad of more help from the likes of lotto, mourne red and Ed.

Too busy playing and coaching Truth - maybe if you got out of the eateries in East Down you'd be able help your own club out and get Ballykinlar off its hole.

Ex Dundrum and now Loughinisland player and coaching guru?? ;D

Who's this then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 07, 2022, 10:25:36 PM
 Much and all as I enjoy the subjects discussed.Could relatively new posters not try and use the quote function properly? 🤷🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on March 08, 2022, 08:09:27 AM
Moran gone from kilcoo, gilligan and thornton taking over as joint managers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 08, 2022, 08:16:47 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on March 08, 2022, 08:09:27 AM
Moran gone from kilcoo, gilligan and thornton taking over as joint managers
Some man for one man!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 08, 2022, 08:39:13 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on March 08, 2022, 08:09:27 AM
Moran gone from kilcoo, gilligan and thornton taking over as joint managers


Joint managers never work IMO
Kilcoo has lost Terry and Mickey in the past few weeks. I think they are happy they have reached the summit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on March 08, 2022, 09:27:28 AM
Joint managers worked alright for tyrone last year  :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on March 08, 2022, 02:22:14 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on March 07, 2022, 08:36:30 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on March 07, 2022, 01:49:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 07, 2022, 12:31:04 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 07, 2022, 12:11:26 PM
What way is the u19 competition going? I see RGU did not field yesterday. I suppose the Armagh clubs filled in a hole for the team who could not field but I cannot see anyone beating Burren.

A big week for us and I really hope and I think we can beat Offally. Team selection will be massive but I think if we get the right team out we should do it.

It is excellent to see the hurlers doing well. Fair play to Ronan and the boys.

In relation to the PR, some people like to have a moan against volunteers for no reason. Down GAA PR is really good and is run by a good group of volunteers. I have no doubt they will be glad of more help from the likes of lotto, mourne red and Ed.

Too busy playing and coaching Truth - maybe if you got out of the eateries in East Down you'd be able help your own club out and get Ballykinlar off its hole.

Ex Dundrum and now Loughinisland player and coaching guru?? ;D

Who's this then?

Mr Mourne Red there  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 08, 2022, 07:15:20 PM
No ex-Dundrum players at Loughinisland is there?

I believe there's a few ex-Loughinisland players at Dundrum though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Captain Obvious on March 09, 2022, 11:37:32 AM
Going from bad to worse for Down it seems.

Quote

ONLY 17 outfield players turned up fit to train for relegation-threatened Down on Saturday morning.

The Mournemen are beset with injuries and unavailability and, although All-Ireland club winners Ryan McEvoy and Anthony Morgan have now linked up with the squad, things may yet get worse for Down before they get better.

Kilcoo full-back McEvoy was unable to train on Saturday and Morgan limped out of the session while Caolan Mooney (quad), Barry O'Hagan (rib injury), Pat Havern and Andrew Gilmore (hamstring strains) also sat out the weekend session.

Kilcoo's All-Ireland final goal-scoring hero Jerome Johnston has yet to train with the squad and Ceilum Doherty is currently abroad so, with one point on the board and just three games to go, the odds seem stacked against James McCartan's men surviving in Division Two and avoiding being part of the second tier Tailteann Cup competition.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 09, 2022, 12:28:59 PM
I still think we will be ok for Saturday please God, where is Docherty away to? Can any of the Kilcoo posters on here tell me why there is a disconnect between Kilcoo and the county? I think the whole county got behind them when they went on and even the clubs who would traditionally be their biggest rivals got behind them. The county board was supportive and the PR was great too. I often wondered why the likes of Dabs never wanted to test himself versus the best on the biggest stage.
Hopefully, Jerome is available for Saturday and if we win it will give us some boost heading to Cork and give the traveling party to Cork a reason to be optimistic.
I hear young Middelton has left the county which is a shame as he has great potential. But you got to earn your crust on county panels now and it will take a few years to bed in. Players are coming into county squads now expecting to play all the time. Only 15 can play. Players are listening to club managers and club people to get them to stop the county to benefit the club. This is holding us back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 09, 2022, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2022, 12:28:59 PM
I still think we will be ok for Sunday please God, where is Docherty away to? Can any of the Kilcoo posters on here tell me why there is a disconnect between Kilcoo and the county? I think the whole county got behind them when they went on and even the clubs who would traditionally be their biggest rivals got behind them. The county board was supportive and the PR was great too. I often wondered why the likes of Dabs never wanted to test himself versus the best on the biggest stage.
Hopefully, Jerome is available for Saturday and if we win it will give us some boost heading to Cork and give the traveling party to Cork a reason to be optimistic.
I hear young Middelton has left the county which is a shame as he has great potential. But you got to earn your crust on county panels now and it will take a few years to bed in. Players are coming into county squads now expecting to play all the time. Only 15 can play. Players are listening to club managers and club people to get them to stop the county to benefit the club. This is holding us back.

   Will you be going on Sunday? ;D  Most people will be going on Saturday for 5pm
   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 09, 2022, 05:50:05 PM
Quote from: wobbller on March 09, 2022, 12:35:50 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2022, 12:28:59 PM
I still think we will be ok for Sunday please God, where is Docherty away to? Can any of the Kilcoo posters on here tell me why there is a disconnect between Kilcoo and the county? I think the whole county got behind them when they went on and even the clubs who would traditionally be their biggest rivals got behind them. The county board was supportive and the PR was great too. I often wondered why the likes of Dabs never wanted to test himself versus the best on the biggest stage.
Hopefully, Jerome is available for Saturday and if we win it will give us some boost heading to Cork and give the traveling party to Cork a reason to be optimistic.
I hear young Middelton has left the county which is a shame as he has great potential. But you got to earn your crust on county panels now and it will take a few years to bed in. Players are coming into county squads now expecting to play all the time. Only 15 can play. Players are listening to club managers and club people to get them to stop the county to benefit the club. This is holding us back.

   Will you be going on Sunday? ;D  Most people will be going on Saturday for 5pm


Unless he has too much homework or a meeting in the Busy 🐝

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 09, 2022, 08:01:21 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2022, 12:28:59 PM
I still think we will be ok for Saturday please God, where is Docherty away to? Can any of the Kilcoo posters on here tell me why there is a disconnect between Kilcoo and the county? I think the whole county got behind them when they went on and even the clubs who would traditionally be their biggest rivals got behind them. The county board was supportive and the PR was great too. I often wondered why the likes of Dabs never wanted to test himself versus the best on the biggest stage.
Hopefully, Jerome is available for Saturday and if we win it will give us some boost heading to Cork and give the traveling party to Cork a reason to be optimistic.
I hear young Middelton has left the county which is a shame as he has great potential. But you got to earn your crust on county panels now and it will take a few years to bed in. Players are coming into county squads now expecting to play all the time. Only 15 can play. Players are listening to club managers and club people to get them to stop the county to benefit the club. This is holding us back.
My God you do spout some rubbish.
1) How could we be Ok for Sat given our previous performances and apparent injury concerns?
2) Have you no clue as why there is a disconnect between Kilcoo and the rest of the County including the rest of East Down?
3) Dabs is just not interested.Full stop
4) Travelling party to Cork.Phewww!!!
5)Liam M leaving the panel is I suppose justified in his own mind.The midfield pairing has remained untouched and seems to be unmoveable despite being cleaned out in a lot of matches.
6) A few years to bed in? Young Murtagh is too young and hasn't been bedded in but he's from Burren.
7) Club Managers and people telling players not be with the County.Catch yourself on.
   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 10, 2022, 08:49:04 AM
Quote from: SamFever on March 09, 2022, 08:01:21 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2022, 12:28:59 PM
I still think we will be ok for Saturday please God, where is Docherty away to? Can any of the Kilcoo posters on here tell me why there is a disconnect between Kilcoo and the county? I think the whole county got behind them when they went on and even the clubs who would traditionally be their biggest rivals got behind them. The county board was supportive and the PR was great too. I often wondered why the likes of Dabs never wanted to test himself versus the best on the biggest stage.
Hopefully, Jerome is available for Saturday and if we win it will give us some boost heading to Cork and give the traveling party to Cork a reason to be optimistic.
I hear young Middelton has left the county which is a shame as he has great potential. But you got to earn your crust on county panels now and it will take a few years to bed in. Players are coming into county squads now expecting to play all the time. Only 15 can play. Players are listening to club managers and club people to get them to stop the county to benefit the club. This is holding us back.
My God you do spout some rubbish.
1) How could we be Ok for Sat given our previous performances and apparent injury concerns?
2) Have you no clue as why there is a disconnect between Kilcoo and the rest of the County including the rest of East Down?
3) Dabs is just not interested.Full stop
4) Travelling party to Cork.Phewww!!!
5)Liam M leaving the panel is I suppose justified in his own mind.The midfield pairing has remained untouched and seems to be unmoveable despite being cleaned out in a lot of matches.
6) A few years to bed in? Young Murtagh is too young and hasn't been bedded in but he's from Burren.
7) Club Managers and people telling players not be with the County.Catch yourself on.


Is that your wee rant over?

Offaly is not good. We will beat them.
No! I do not understand the disconnect. It annoys me as we supported Kilcoo.
His brothers have played for the county. Is there a root cause?
There is a supporters bus or two Heading down.
If you think club managers have never been in the ears of fringe county players telling them to quit and to concentrate on the club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 10, 2022, 09:00:34 AM
Back on again this morning is the man who is not allowed to post on here outside the working/School day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 10, 2022, 07:58:04 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 10, 2022, 08:49:04 AM
If you think club managers have never been in the ears of fringe county players telling them to quit and to concentrate on the club?

Why would a fringe player want to spend all year training with the county and playing f*k all games because county management won't release them for the club nor play them for the county?

If I were in their boots, I'd just play for my club too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on March 10, 2022, 09:25:03 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 10, 2022, 07:58:04 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 10, 2022, 08:49:04 AM
If you think club managers have never been in the ears of fringe county players telling them to quit and to concentrate on the club?

Why would a fringe player want to spend all year training with the county and playing f*k all games because county management won't release them for the club nor play them for the county?

If I were in their boots, I'd just play for my club too.
Agree 100%
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 10, 2022, 10:37:57 PM
County football is a real catch 22.. If you are playing regularly - the world is a great place. However if you are a sub or not getting much time - rather than rolling your sleeves up and sticking with it for a while - todays "entitled" player runs away back to their club.. if we as a county don't get a group of 19/20 year olds to buy in for a period of 6/7 years - we are f***ed.. Armagh have done it with players and management, Monaghan, Derry, Donegal and they are reaping the rewards. For some reason - playing for down ain't attractive enough for our young lads anymore.. Or they go for 2-3 months and jump ship when the hard questions are asked of them.. young lads don't like tough training nowadays - I see it at my own club. I'm not talking about endless laps etc but even hard work with the ball and they are complaining. And parents are worse.. If they are challenged/beaten this year - next year they drop down a division. And then we wonder why we ain't producing county standard players..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 10, 2022, 10:56:53 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 10, 2022, 10:37:57 PM
County football is a real catch 22.. If you are playing regularly - the world is a great place. However if you are a sub or not getting much time - rather than rolling your sleeves up and sticking with it for a while - todays "entitled" player runs away back to their club..

Today's "entitled" players have a far higher training workload than any generation before them.

To keep up with the Tyrones and Dublins, they'd have to pretty much be at it every day of the week in some guise.... and for what? To pick splinters out of yer arse all year to watch the county get a hammering in the championship and watch from the sidelines in frustration at yer clubmates get regular games?

It's a wonder anyone bothers their hole for the county at all.


Until county management get real - and release *every* player for *every* round of club games excepting any the same weekend of an inter-county championship - then they'll always have a high squad turnover.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 10, 2022, 11:16:10 PM
God bless us,not much County good spirit around this evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 11, 2022, 12:06:01 AM
Every county squad had a high turnover. It goes with the territory. The lifestyle it demands, is rarely rewarding on a team level, so it then has to be rewarding on a personal level. And watching football from the bench is rarely rewarding on a personal level.

All this just becomes more obvious when your county in struggling.

—-

The split season - which to be fair I was fully in favour of - is only going to heighten this problem. We don't yet know how forceful Down Senior Mgt are going to be in terms of their grip on players the club season. But I would harbour a guess that they (along with all other second tier managers) could kill the Tailteann before it starts, should they pull rank. There will be counties in Ireland who will struggle to gather up a 26 for that competition should it face off heavily against club football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 11, 2022, 09:13:22 AM
Even if we do go into the Taitleann cup we should be making every effort to win it, we need this year to be a success of some sort. We have not won anything of note bar a McKenna cup since 1994 so we should not turn our nose up at anything. It reminds me of teams laughing at the corn an dun last year when they haven't won a trophy in donkeys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 11, 2022, 09:28:43 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 11, 2022, 09:13:22 AM
Even if we do go into the Taitleann cup we should be making every effort to win it, we need this year to be a success of some sort. We have not won anything of note bar a McKenna cup since 1994 so we should not turn our nose up at anything. It reminds me of teams laughing at the corn an dun last year when they haven't won a trophy in donkeys.
If the mckenna cup is of note 2007 I think we last won it.  The tailteann Cup will get as much coverage as the 2nd and 3rd string hurling championships and it will be dead in the water like the tommy murphy.  The GAA only want the elite in the sam maguire. They only want Dublin Kerry  Mayo and tyrone in the semi finals . Couldn't  care less about the rest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 11, 2022, 09:32:07 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 11, 2022, 09:28:43 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 11, 2022, 09:13:22 AM
Even if we do go into the Taitleann cup we should be making every effort to win it, we need this year to be a success of some sort. We have not won anything of note bar a McKenna cup since 1994 so we should not turn our nose up at anything. It reminds me of teams laughing at the corn an dun last year when they haven't won a trophy in donkeys.
If the mckenna cup is of note 2007 I think we last won it.  The tailteann Cup will get as much coverage as the 2nd and 3rd string hurling championships and it will be dead in the water like the tommy murphy.  The GAA only want the elite in the sam maguire. They only want Dublin Kerry  Mayo and tyrone in the semi finals . Couldn't  care less about the rest.

The Joe Mcdonagh final was live on RTE last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on March 11, 2022, 10:18:45 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 11, 2022, 09:28:43 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 11, 2022, 09:13:22 AM
Even if we do go into the Taitleann cup we should be making every effort to win it, we need this year to be a success of some sort. We have not won anything of note bar a McKenna cup since 1994 so we should not turn our nose up at anything. It reminds me of teams laughing at the corn an dun last year when they haven't won a trophy in donkeys.
If the mckenna cup is of note 2007 I think we last won it.  The tailteann Cup will get as much coverage as the 2nd and 3rd string hurling championships and it will be dead in the water like the tommy murphy.  The GAA only want the elite in the sam maguire. They only want Dublin Kerry  Mayo and tyrone in the semi finals . Couldn't  care less about the rest.
Was 2008. Beat Derry in casement
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 11, 2022, 11:40:28 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 11, 2022, 09:32:07 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 11, 2022, 09:28:43 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 11, 2022, 09:13:22 AM
Even if we do go into the Taitleann cup we should be making every effort to win it, we need this year to be a success of some sort. We have not won anything of note bar a McKenna cup since 1994 so we should not turn our nose up at anything. It reminds me of teams laughing at the corn an dun last year when they haven't won a trophy in donkeys.
If the mckenna cup is of note 2007 I think we last won it.  The tailteann Cup will get as much coverage as the 2nd and 3rd string hurling championships and it will be dead in the water like the tommy murphy.  The GAA only want the elite in the sam maguire. They only want Dublin Kerry  Mayo and tyrone in the semi finals . Couldn't  care less about the rest.

The Joe Mcdonagh final was live on RTE last year?

The lower tiered hurling finals used to be played before the AI semi-finals but then got moved to a Saturday out of the way. They still play the finals in Croke Park, but no doubt that'll be changed shortly as well..

The Tailteann Cup will go the same way soon enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on March 11, 2022, 04:02:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 11, 2022, 12:06:01 AM
Every county squad had a high turnover. It goes with the territory. The lifestyle it demands, is rarely rewarding on a team level, so it then has to be rewarding on a personal level. And watching football from the bench is rarely rewarding on a personal level.

All this just becomes more obvious when your county in struggling.

—-

The split season - which to be fair I was fully in favour of - is only going to heighten this problem. We don't yet know how forceful Down Senior Mgt are going to be in terms of their grip on players the club season. But I would harbour a guess that they (along with all other second tier managers) could kill the Tailteann before it starts, should they pull rank. There will be counties in Ireland who will struggle to gather up a 26 for that competition should it face off heavily against club football.


Another reason for why lads are leaving the panel is maybe due to how they are being treated while they are on it. In some cases lads get told services are no longer required very early on before being given much of a chance or don't even get a phone call to let them know. Good man management is key and maybe in the past and even present this is something that is lacking in Down football and other counties...Just a thought!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 11, 2022, 04:06:06 PM
"the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 11, 2022, 07:14:11 PM


Another reason for why lads are leaving the panel is maybe due to how they are being treated while they are on it. In some cases lads get told services are no longer required very early on before being given much of a chance or don't even get a phone call to let them know. Good man management is key and maybe in the past and even present this is something that is lacking in Down football and other counties...Just a thought!
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I would highly doubt that the current management have let anyone go this year without speaking to them. One thing James is very good at is his man management of players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 11, 2022, 07:15:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 11, 2022, 04:06:06 PM
"the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
Laverty and Murtagh dropped,McParland to midfield and Poland to CHB. Guinness and McEvoy into the starting lineup.Genius stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 11, 2022, 07:41:54 PM
It's Murdock and he is injured I am led to believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 11, 2022, 08:11:09 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 11, 2022, 07:41:54 PM
It's Murdock and he is injured I am led to believe.
Apologies for the spelling mistake.Hope he's Ok.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 11, 2022, 08:28:38 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 11, 2022, 07:15:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 11, 2022, 04:06:06 PM
"the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
Laverty and Murtagh dropped,McParland to midfield and Poland to CHB. Guinness and McEvoy into the starting lineup.Genius stuff.

"Genius stuff"?
Not sure what point you're making here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 12, 2022, 09:20:31 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on March 11, 2022, 08:28:38 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 11, 2022, 07:15:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 11, 2022, 04:06:06 PM
"the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"
Laverty and Murtagh dropped,McParland to midfield and Poland to CHB. Guinness and McEvoy into the starting lineup.Genius stuff.

"Genius stuff"?
Not sure what point you're making here?
It's what known as sarcasm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 12, 2022, 12:35:20 PM
 I think the points being made recently are that there hasn't been many changes to the various lineups from previous games where we have gained one point from four fixtures. I hope this is a one year gig for James.No longer capable of managing teams in the modern era.Five years in charge of the Minors were a failure while the last few years of his previous Senior stint were mediocre.Sad but true.Rugby game today will be more enjoyable than Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on March 12, 2022, 12:42:08 PM
This season is a rite off from a Down perspective.

I can't see any outcome other than relegation & a first round defeat to Monaghan. The best thing Down could be doing right now is working on a management team for next season, that has to include Laverty with the intention of getting 6 Kilcoo men (minimum) to commit. Get training in October/November time and really push on.

Down named James McCartan as manager on 25th November. And fair play to wee James, anyone going near that job was mad in the head. In all honesty if he hadn't of stepped up where would Down have went next? But by 25th November id say Derry had over 40 sessions done. Looks at the difference in the 2 groups at the minute, and talent wise within the 2 counties there isn't that big a gap.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 12, 2022, 03:17:15 PM
Quote from: toby47 on March 12, 2022, 12:42:08 PM
This season is a rite off from a Down perspective.

I can't see any outcome other than relegation & a first round defeat to Monaghan. The best thing Down could be doing right now is working on a management team for next season, that has to include Laverty with the intention of getting 6 Kilcoo men (minimum) to commit. Get training in October/November time and really push on.

Down named James McCartan as manager on 25th November. And fair play to wee James, anyone going near that job was mad in the head. In all honesty if he hadn't of stepped up where would Down have went next? But by 25th November id say Derry had over 40 sessions done. Looks at the difference in the 2 groups at the minute, and talent wise within the 2 counties there isn't that big a gap.

6 Kilcoo men minimum - ur having a laugh... They haven't 6 men fit for county football or those who everyone assumes would be fit for it havent the balls to put themselves forward to play it.. There's a massive difference in Down and Derry. Derry have had the same players for 6-8 years now and add very few each year. Our player turnover is mental - we don't have anyone willing to buy into a programme for a period of time to earn their position. The "entitled" ones I mentioned in a previous post.. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 12, 2022, 03:20:27 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 12, 2022, 12:35:20 PM
I think the points being made recently are that there hasn't been many changes to the various lineups from previous games where we have gained one point from four fixtures. I hope this is a one year gig for James.No longer capable of managing teams in the modern era.Five years in charge of the Minors were a failure while the last few years of his previous Senior stint were mediocre.Sad but true.Rugby game today will be more enjoyable than Newry.

A failure in terms of delivering silverware - correct. But Daniel Guinness, Liam Kerr, Pearse Laverty, Peter Fegan, Ryan McEvoy, Finn McElroy, Andrew Gilmore all came through his hands as well as many others who are now our senior players. Development of players he ticks the boxes for sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on March 12, 2022, 03:24:15 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 11, 2022, 04:06:06 PM
"the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results"

Bit like your posts 🤣
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on March 12, 2022, 04:23:50 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 12, 2022, 03:17:15 PM
Quote from: toby47 on March 12, 2022, 12:42:08 PM
This season is a rite off from a Down perspective.

I can't see any outcome other than relegation & a first round defeat to Monaghan. The best thing Down could be doing right now is working on a management team for next season, that has to include Laverty with the intention of getting 6 Kilcoo men (minimum) to commit. Get training in October/November time and really push on.

Down named James McCartan as manager on 25th November. And fair play to wee James, anyone going near that job was mad in the head. In all honesty if he hadn't of stepped up where would Down have went next? But by 25th November id say Derry had over 40 sessions done. Looks at the difference in the 2 groups at the minute, and talent wise within the 2 counties there isn't that big a gap.

6 Kilcoo men minimum - ur having a laugh... They haven't 6 men fit for county football or those who everyone assumes would be fit for it havent the balls to put themselves forward to play it.. There's a massive difference in Down and Derry. Derry have had the same players for 6-8 years now and add very few each year. Our player turnover is mental - we don't have anyone willing to buy into a programme for a period of time to earn their position. The "entitled" ones I mentioned in a previous post..

3 x Johnstones, Kane, McEvoy, Dylan Ward, Ceilum Doherty not fit to play county football?

There's no difference in Derry and Down regarding player turnover. Derry haven't had the same group of players for anywhere near 8 years.

From 2006-2016 only Carlow (101) used more footballers than Derry (98) in that period. Down used 78 players in the same period. In 2016 & 2017 Derry used 71 players alone.

Derry played Leitrim in January 2020 in a league game, they last played Leitrim in 2017 before that, only 1 player played for Derry in both the 2017 & 2020 games.

9 of Derry's starting 15 in the 2019 Ulster defeat to Tyrone are not on this years Derry panel. Nor are 4 of the 6 subs used that day.

Gallagher is in his 3rd year now with Derry. You could argue they've had a consistent panel in that time - this was made much easier because of the last 2 short/Covid effected short seasons. And even still, Armagh beat Derry in Gallagher's first ulster championship match in 2020, 6 players used by Derry that day are no longer on the county panel.

You're argument there was complete muck! If Down appointed McGuinness, Laverty & Co, had 6 or 7 Kilcoo committing, and started training 4-6 weeks before Down did this year, you would be at the opposite end of the division 2 table. Derry got it wrong for years and ended up in division 4. If they hadn't of got a top manager in & didn't have Slaughtneil players(Rodgers, McKaigue, Cassidy, McGuigan) committing they'd be in the exact same place. The lessons are there.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on March 12, 2022, 07:38:09 PM
Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 12, 2022, 08:25:31 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 26, 2022, 06:13:32 PM
Look forward to SamFevers ratings for this match
Will be moving into zero or negative ratings after tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on March 12, 2022, 08:50:47 PM
Well Johnnysnoys, after your rant, how many of tonight's team would get on the Kilcoo team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on March 12, 2022, 09:11:54 PM
Absolutely irrelevant club make-up as game management was the problem-2 points up in the closing stages to be beat by a point in a relegation battle is really poor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 12, 2022, 09:15:12 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on March 12, 2022, 08:50:47 PM
Well Johnnysnoys, after your rant, how many of tonight's team would get on the Kilcoo team?
Are u seriously telling me that the two O'Hagan's, Liam Kerr, Peter Fegan, Guinness and Finn wouldn't get on their team then if more deluded than you realise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 12, 2022, 09:33:01 PM
3 x Johnstones, Kane, McEvoy, Dylan Ward, Ceilum Doherty not fit to play county football?

There's no difference in Derry and Down regarding player turnover. Derry haven't had the same group of players for anywhere near 8 years.

From 2006-2016 only Carlow (101) used more footballers than Derry (98) in that period. Down used 78 players in the same period. In 2016 & 2017 Derry used 71 players alone.

Derry played Leitrim in January 2020 in a league game, they last played Leitrim in 2017 before that, only 1 player played for Derry in both the 2017 & 2020 games.

9 of Derry's starting 15 in the 2019 Ulster defeat to Tyrone are not on this years Derry panel. Nor are 4 of the 6 subs used that day.

Gallagher is in his 3rd year now with Derry. You could argue they've had a consistent panel in that time - this was made much easier because of the last 2 short/Covid effected short seasons. And even still, Armagh beat Derry in Gallagher's first ulster championship match in 2020, 6 players used by Derry that day are no longer on the county panel.

You're argument there was complete muck! If Down appointed McGuinness, Laverty & Co, had 6 or 7 Kilcoo committing, and started training 4-6 weeks before Down did this year, you would be at the opposite end of the division 2 table. Derry got it wrong for years and ended up in division 4. If they hadn't of got a top manager in & didn't have Slaughtneil players(Rodgers, McKaigue, Cassidy, McGuigan) committing they'd be in the exact same place. The lessons are there.
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3 Johnston's - absolutely not. Ryan is not county level and the young buck has an attitude bigger than his dad (if that's possible) and that's coming directly from a Kilcoo player. Dylan Ward - absolutely not. Can nullify a county player here n there in club games but when surrounded by county players he don't count.
Some players are unbelievable for their club but that don't make them automatic county players. Ward was tried and it didn't work.
So ur saying the Slaughtneil players are the mainstays - they won their first championship in a while in 2014 - that's 8 years ago you clown and makes my "muck" argument all the more true. These lads have stuck with the county process for a sustained period and now are getting their rewards. Oh and by the way why are they so important anyhow - they ain't the current champions in their county nor won't be for the next while.. Getting a "top manager" in - in a recent podcast even Gallagher himself admitted he got lucky with covid saving his job.
Laverty/McGuinness didn't get the job - they didn't start 6/7 weeks before they did - MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE..
Remember this board is about opinions - you have an obvious love in with Kilcoo players but they are far from the answer we are looking for..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 12, 2022, 09:34:10 PM
While we have had a few tough nights in Newry over recent years, this was among the most frustrating. Fair play to Offaly for producing an outstanding effort in the closing stages but we were three points up with four minutes left, had possession and the wind behind us and still managed to lose. James must be ready to tear his hair out as we finally managed to get our kick out strategy right, with Kane's precision meaning that we possibly only lost one of them all night. McElroy, McEvoy and Gilmore are all brilliant young prospects, but, barring a miracle, the next part of their development will be in D3 and the Tailteann Cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 12, 2022, 09:57:17 PM
Down football is in a very bad place. How that game was lost is beyond me. Now that's not saying Down we're any better than Offaly but 3 points up with 3 to go it should be game over
Bringing McKernan on with 3 to go and playing him as a full forward was a strange choice
The big players have failed all year
Mooney
Barry O
McKernan
McParland
Burns
Poland


All experienced players who have been very poor

The younger lads leading the charge
Murdock
Kerr
Gilmore


Some lads in the middle just not up to it
Havern
Doherty
Guiness


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 12, 2022, 10:12:37 PM
As that great from the past said earlier Ross , a one year gig for James and Co. Take a few months and appoint a Management team to get us out of Div3 and develop a team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on March 12, 2022, 11:50:58 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 12, 2022, 09:33:01 PM
3 x Johnstones, Kane, McEvoy, Dylan Ward, Ceilum Doherty not fit to play county football?

There's no difference in Derry and Down regarding player turnover. Derry haven't had the same group of players for anywhere near 8 years.

From 2006-2016 only Carlow (101) used more footballers than Derry (98) in that period. Down used 78 players in the same period. In 2016 & 2017 Derry used 71 players alone.

Derry played Leitrim in January 2020 in a league game, they last played Leitrim in 2017 before that, only 1 player played for Derry in both the 2017 & 2020 games.

9 of Derry's starting 15 in the 2019 Ulster defeat to Tyrone are not on this years Derry panel. Nor are 4 of the 6 subs used that day.

Gallagher is in his 3rd year now with Derry. You could argue they've had a consistent panel in that time - this was made much easier because of the last 2 short/Covid effected short seasons. And even still, Armagh beat Derry in Gallagher's first ulster championship match in 2020, 6 players used by Derry that day are no longer on the county panel.

You're argument there was complete muck! If Down appointed McGuinness, Laverty & Co, had 6 or 7 Kilcoo committing, and started training 4-6 weeks before Down did this year, you would be at the opposite end of the division 2 table. Derry got it wrong for years and ended up in division 4. If they hadn't of got a top manager in & didn't have Slaughtneil players(Rodgers, McKaigue, Cassidy, McGuigan) committing they'd be in the exact same place. The lessons are there.

3 Johnston's - absolutely not. Ryan is not county level and the young buck has an attitude bigger than his dad (if that's possible) and that's coming directly from a Kilcoo player. Dylan Ward - absolutely not. Can nullify a county player here n there in club games but when surrounded by county players he don't count.
Some players are unbelievable for their club but that don't make them automatic county players. Ward was tried and it didn't work.
So ur saying the Slaughtneil players are the mainstays - they won their first championship in a while in 2014 - that's 8 years ago you clown and makes my "muck" argument all the more true. These lads have stuck with the county process for a sustained period and now are getting their rewards. Oh and by the way why are they so important anyhow - they ain't the current champions in their county nor won't be for the next while.. Getting a "top manager" in - in a recent podcast even Gallagher himself admitted he got lucky with covid saving his job.
Laverty/McGuinness didn't get the job - they didn't start 6/7 weeks before they did - MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE..
Remember this board is about opinions - you have an obvious love in with Kilcoo players but they are far from the answer we are looking for..

No time for personal insults at all. Shameful
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 13, 2022, 12:11:05 AM


No time for personal insults at all. Shameful
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No personal insults given - just opinion.

Would division 3 be so bad for us? I realise we are a proud county and all that goes with that but let's be honest no silverware of note in over 25 years at senior level is a poor return particularly when it doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon. Division 3, get young players on board, develop them, play Tailtean cup and get as far as possible to bring confidence to a group of players. We are sadly lacking that at present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on March 13, 2022, 12:35:02 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 13, 2022, 12:11:05 AM


No time for personal insults at all. Shameful

No personal insults given - just opinion.

Would division 3 be so bad for us? I realise we are a proud county and all that goes with that but let's be honest no silverware of note in over 25 years at senior level is a poor return particularly when it doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon. Division 3, get young players on board, develop them, play Tailtean cup and get as far as possible to bring confidence to a group of players. We are sadly lacking that at present.
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You named names and talking about players and their fathers attitude?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on March 13, 2022, 07:47:02 AM
Would the lack of success at St Colmans indicate not all is well in Down football? Abbey never produced but been a while since Colmans won anything of sort.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 13, 2022, 10:47:25 AM
  The rot set into Down Senior Football when Jim McCorry was more or less pushed.He had got us to Div1 and had a very bad day at the Office
in Wexford but the wise heads saw fit to agitate for his removal.Two relegations under Eamon Burns(RIP) a bit of an improvement and a promotion under Paddy Tally retaining our
Div 2 status during Covid but agitation again after a poor Championship performance saw his departure.But hey our County Officials look good with their fancy ties at Scors and in the various Provincial and National Committees yet our County saw fit to vote against Antrim having a home venue against Cavan in the Championship.We as a County are a laughing stock in the GAA world but we do the same sh-te all the time and get the same failures over and over again.Pathetic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 13, 2022, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: wobbller on August 22, 2015, 09:20:42 AM
Today's Irish News.
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I was forced out of Down job - McCorry

Jim McCorry breaks his silence over his bitter Down departure
JIM McCORRY has insisted his position as Down senior football manager was made "untenable" following a crunch meeting with the county management committee on Monday.

McCorry, who quit the job on Thursday after just one season in charge, rejected the Down County Board's statement that they were "100 per cent" behind him.

However, McCorry was far from convinced after Monday night's meeting with the Mourne County's top brass and felt he had "no choice" but to step down from the post.

Last month, the county's management committee sensationally recommended to county delegates to get rid of McCorry – but the clubs voted to retain their manager [22-20].

Speaking to The Irish News on Friday morning, McCorry claimed the way he was treated was more in keeping with the cut-throat culture of the English Premier League.

"I was left with no choice other than to leave the post," said McCorry. "The position had become untenable. At Monday's meeting, the county committee told me they were backing me "100 per cent".

"The people who were backing me "100 per cent" were the same people who didn't see fit to back me four weeks earlier.

"When I asked for the reasons why, I was told people had the right to vote the way they wanted. That really stuck in my craw."

Immediately after last month's narrow vote to keep him, McCorry felt his position was untenable, but after a period of reflection and with a certain degree of optimism entering last Monday's meeting, the Armagh native thought he could continue as Down manager and that the situation "might be salvageable".

McCorry had drawn up a two-year plan ahead of the crunch meeting in which the objective was to remain in Division One and win an Ulster title within that time-frame.

Unfortunately, McCorry remained unconvinced about his future as Down boss upon leaving Monday's meeting.

"I still thought it was salvageable if it was going to be the right discussion and the right rational look at how we improve the county set-up at senior level to challenge for honours, with a proper strategy in place going forward.

"From that perspective, I thought it would have been salvageable, yes."

McCorry added: "I went into Monday's meeting in a positive mind, hoping I was going to hear things other than the platitudes of: 'We're behind you 100 per cent and let's move on'.

"That wasn't giving me any confidence to be able to deliver the two-year plan without them putting hurdles in my way.

"It's okay saying to someone: 'We're 100 per cent behind you', but you really have to convince someone of that.

"I would have thought it straightforward for anybody to understand that the manager in my position would have needed a lot of convincing and a lot of support after what happened.

"For them to say: 'People had the right to vote – let's move on'. That's not the type of conversation that filled me with confidence. The trust and respect wasn't there."

"They had issues with the captaincy, issues with the management team and the fact I hadn't brought in a third selector, even though it was made clear to them that a third selector would be added this year to freshen things up.

"When I weighed it up in the round and when I was told by a very trusted person in Down who said: 'They're just waiting for you to trip up, Jim, and it'll all start again,' I thought: 'Why should I go through that for it to start up all over again.'"

He continued: "What annoyed me was that there was no discussion with county management about how we'd got up to Division One, how we lost the Division Two final with a man down, how we lost away to Derry [in the Ulster Championship] with a man down. There was no talk about any of that. It was just about the Wexford defeat and not having, in their view, the best players available for that game."

Curiously, the manager had to deal with questions from the management committee over who he picked and didn't pick on his panel and why some high-profile players who had decided to step down weren't persuaded to return.

"When I asked who were the best players in the county, the only reference was the players who had retired previously or weren't available.

"There was no mention of the fact that I had asked those players to stay on; I didn't push anybody out, I wanted them to be in the squad.

"They had made the choice not to be there... There were things asked in that meeting that were matters for the manager. The manager picks the panel. That's why you pick a manager for.

"I had the best players available who wanted to commit to Down. Maybe some people thought I should beg some players to come back to play for Down. But that's not really the way I see county football.

"I don't think modern-day county footballers should be begged to come back when they've decided they want to retire. And those players who didn't wish to play all had valid reasons."

For a variety of reasons, Dan Gordon, Benny Coulter, Kalum King, Dan McCartan and Ambrose Rogers stepped aside while illness prevented Marty Clarke from making a return to county colours.

McCorry, however, confirmed Gordon and Clarke had "already indicated they wanted to come back, and they were part of the playing panel for next year".

McCorry was given just seven months in the job. Faced with a daunting rebuilding job, he guided the Mournemen back to Division One before a controversial refereeing decision – the sending-off of Conall McGovern in the 37th minute - contributed to their downfall against Derry in the Ulster Championship.

In their All-Ireland Qualifier defeat to lowly Wexford, there were no redeeming features in the Down performance.

McCorry was also castigated for his post-match interview with The Sunday Game where he said Division One was the team's "priority".

The Down manager was disappointed with the way in which the interview was edited and how it was used by his detractors as a stick to beat him with.

Given his incredible success with Eoghan Rua, Kilcoo, where he won four club championships, McCorry was the stand-out candidate to succeed the outgoing James McCartan.

With the senior squad in dire need of fresh faces and with very little coming through the U21 ranks, it was a major surprise to see Down gain promotion to the top flight.

"The appointment committee knew exactly what I was going to do: there would be a new panel of players, a new way of playing, players would leave and we could expect an outcry with that.

"But I told the committee we would have to ride that out. They appointed me on that basis and now they ended up lambasting me for it. The problem with Down is that they look back at the past all the time."

Despite the bitter ending and truncated time in charge, McCorry doesn't regret taking the Down post.

"I loved the job the short time I was there," he said.

"I'd love to have done the three years. I really know the players now. I met some fantastic people and had some really great experiences. I'm not leaving with a bitter taste in my mouth regarding the players.

"We'd great supporters at our games as well. And I wouldn't be worried about the keyboard warriors, I'd be concerned with the genuine supporters. A lot of people wanted me to stay on but I wasn't able to.

"Next year, some of those players will be working with their third manager in 12 months. That sounds like something you'd hear in the English Premier League. That's down to the county management committee, not me."

"Don't get me wrong, not every player is going to be satisfied because you can only play 15. Players were taken off, players were more disgruntled than others. That's the way management is.

"The amount of time and effort I put into it was phenomenal. I'd taken early retirement in April and was virtually working at the Down job full-time."

Asked what he'd learned while in charge of his adopted county, McCorry replied: "A wise man that I would listen to said to me: 'Jim, why did you think you would be treated any differently when you saw what happened to Pete McGrath, Paddy O'Rourke and Ross Carr?'

"And my response was: 'I didn't think I would be treated differently but I thought I would get more than six months of playing time.'

"What I've learned is that there is going to be no comparison to that type of scenario again in the future. There are politics at the top level in the GAA that people scratch their heads at. There are politics with a small 'p' at club level that I've dealt with over the years, and that's fairly minor and easy to deal with.

"I suppose at county level it's hard to understand why people can't see a bigger picture rather than concentrating on the last result."

In thanking the players and his backroom team of Mark Copeland, John Morgan and strength and conditioning coach Ciaran Sloan, McCorry said: "This was something I didn't particularly want to do because I really enjoyed working with the players. I'd like to thank every one of them and my backroom team – Mark, John and Ciaran.

"Success this year wasn't just about going up to Division One, it was about trying to create a club atmosphere where all the cliques were removed and to play better football. So there was a lot of progression behind the scenes.

"That's going to start again whoever is going to come in. I wanted to make it work. I wanted to be the Down manager for another two years and to win an Ulster Championship."

And the future?

To take his wife, Roisin, on an long overdue holiday.

And football?

With a roguish grin, McCorry said: "I'm looking forward to being a spectator for a while, standing behind the wire and hurling a few stones at the manager!"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 13, 2022, 01:15:31 PM

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You named names and talking about players and their fathers attitude?
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So u talking bout a certain ex Loughinisland keeper and a certain Rostrevor man in previous posts is fine... ok wasn't sure how this thing worked..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on March 14, 2022, 12:53:33 AM
You boys need to stop the childish posts.

Last warning to all posters.

By the way, it is ok to say Player A is not up to county standard if that is your opinion.  Such an assessment should be based on skill, attitude, recent history, age maybe, ability to be part of a team, and a host of other traits. Personality may be part of it, but I think we must leave that part of an assessment off this board. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on March 14, 2022, 01:15:57 AM
Consider yourself reprimand Johnysboys. You obviously don't like Kilcoo but get over it, they are All Ireland Champions on merit. We would all like our club to be there but no justification to your pathetic jealousy. Positive posts in future please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 14, 2022, 07:57:58 AM
 Downjim in his latest guise gets another Yellow card from the Mods.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on March 14, 2022, 10:27:04 AM
Am I right in saying a win for Cork at the weekend relegates Down as Cork play Offaly in the last game so one team will pick up at least 1 point. That would put Down on 1-3 points depending on clare result. Whoever loses on 3. The winners on 5 and if its a draw both Cork and offaly on 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 14, 2022, 10:35:37 AM
only a win will do
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on March 14, 2022, 12:19:54 PM
Anyword on John McKernan from Burren being called up to the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 14, 2022, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on March 14, 2022, 12:19:54 PM
Anyword on John McKernan from Burren being called up to the panel?

Who?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on March 14, 2022, 01:44:32 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on March 14, 2022, 10:27:04 AM
Am I right in saying a win for Cork at the weekend relegates Down as Cork play Offaly in the last game so one team will pick up at least 1 point. That would put Down on 1-3 points depending on clare result. Whoever loses on 3. The winners on 5 and if its a draw both Cork and offaly on 4

Correct.
And if Down get the win its game on into the final day.
However, a draw and an Offaly win/draw at home to Roscommon opens up a whole host of interesting possibilities and permutations.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 14, 2022, 02:28:33 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 14, 2022, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on March 14, 2022, 12:19:54 PM
Anyword on John McKernan from Burren being called up to the panel?

Who?

John McKernan, from Burren.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 14, 2022, 02:43:26 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on March 14, 2022, 02:28:33 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 14, 2022, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on March 14, 2022, 12:19:54 PM
Anyword on John McKernan from Burren being called up to the panel?

Who?

John McKernan, from Burren.

Sorry never heard of him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 14, 2022, 07:48:46 PM
 Sunday sees us with lowest scoring return against the worst defence in all of 4 Divs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on March 14, 2022, 09:54:43 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on March 14, 2022, 01:15:57 AM
Consider yourself reprimand Johnysboys. You obviously don't like Kilcoo but get over it, they are All Ireland Champions on merit. We would all like our club to be there but no justification to your pathetic jealousy. Positive posts in future please.
Couldn't agree more!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 14, 2022, 10:10:13 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on March 14, 2022, 01:15:57 AM
Consider yourself reprimand Johnysboys. You obviously don't like Kilcoo but get over it, they are All Ireland Champions on merit. We would all like our club to be there but no justification to your pathetic jealousy. Positive posts in future please.

No issue with Kilcoo in the slightest. But call a spade a spade they stole the final.. totally unlike them to play so bad but still got over the line. I'm in no way jealous of them at all as I know where my club stand within the county n that's not winning All Irelands.
This weekends game could possibly be the biggest in a decade for Down. We were so close on Saturday but no cigar so back to scratch for this weekend. I think Cork are in a bit of disarray though with management in the spotlight. A draw is no good to either so it has the makings of a good game with both teams going for broke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on March 14, 2022, 10:19:37 PM
The whole thing is a bit of a shambles at the moment.
I don't for a second blame James McCartan as he was handed a hot potato, I actually admire him for taking the job on knowing how difficult it was likely to be.
I agree with an earlier post implying that McCory was walking into an ambush situation, best manager we've possibly ever had hounded out over a couple of bad results while he was building a team.
This season was a similar scenario, Laverty, Clarke, and Jim McGuinness among others lined up to be the next managerial team and someone from a small group of people in the know leak that information!
It's well known McGuinness values confidentiality and it was clear he wasn't getting it in Down! They all walked and rightly so.
I blame the county board, not everyone obviously but the same sabotage team that constantly hold the county back for whatever reasons they have. IMO it's absolutely rotten.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on March 14, 2022, 10:44:17 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 14, 2022, 10:10:13 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on March 14, 2022, 01:15:57 AM
Consider yourself reprimand Johnysboys. You obviously don't like Kilcoo but get over it, they are All Ireland Champions on merit. We would all like our club to be there but no justification to your pathetic jealousy. Positive posts in future please.

No issue with Kilcoo in the slightest. But call a spade a spade they stole the final.. totally unlike them to play so bad but still got over the line. I'm in no way jealous of them at all as I know where my club stand within the county n that's not winning All Irelands.
This weekends game could possibly be the biggest in a decade for Down. We were so close on Saturday but no cigar so back to scratch for this weekend. I think Cork are in a bit of disarray though with management in the spotlight. A draw is no good to either so it has the makings of a good game with both teams going for broke.
My take on Kilcoo's all Ireland final is this.
Yes they had a bit of luck in the second half with the goal that came of the 45m free but had absolutely no luck in the 1st half.
Some say playing in Croke Park is just another football field! Having spoken to a few of the players they'll tell you it's definitely not, especially playing into the canal end with a swirling wind and goalposts  that seem to deceive you.
The final was Kilmacud's third match at headquarters in the season, that along with their contingent of Dublin seniors, minors ect having played there regularly was a massive advantage.
Kilcoo were on the back foot from the start and showed absolutely remarkable grit to win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on March 14, 2022, 11:22:56 PM
Used to admire Down teams, 1thing I notice there not big down the spine anybody like there 94 team. Down beat Derry 2 yrs ago, yes Derry since improved alot but still players within the county I have on but not on the panel  due to attitude. but how come Down went in total reverse. They were def in a better place 2 yrs ago. Had some decent forwards few yrs bck. Should there not be at least 5 Kilcoo players starting, Glen and, Slaughtneil form the basis of the Derry team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 15, 2022, 09:04:10 AM
A must win game this weekend literally

The players really need to stand up
Some looked uninterested against a woeful Offaly team

MaCartan had tried everything. He even took Laverty into train the squad this past 2 weeks and it hasn't worked either. Some lads apparently huffing after a few home truths from Laverty

I would be starting Murdock and Quinn on Sunday. Both are great players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 15, 2022, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Oglach on March 14, 2022, 10:19:37 PM
The whole thing is a bit of a shambles at the moment.
I don't for a second blame James McCartan as he was handed a hot potato, I actually admire him for taking the job on knowing how difficult it was likely to be.
I agree with an earlier post implying that McCory was walking into an ambush situation, best manager we've possibly ever had hounded out over a couple of bad results while he was building a team.
This season was a similar scenario, Laverty, Clarke, and Jim McGuinness among others lined up to be the next managerial team and someone from a small group of people in the know leak that information!
It's well known McGuinness values confidentiality and it was clear he wasn't getting it in Down! They all walked and rightly so.
I blame the county board, not everyone obviously but the same sabotage team that constantly hold the county back for whatever reasons they have. IMO it's absolutely rotten.

You do know the county board is made up of reps from every club including your own. Your rep proposed a no-confidence in Paddy Tally which was seconded by the Clonduff rep . There is no point in pointing fingers at anyone. We need to come together as a county and not to keep jibing at the county board or executive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: shagger on March 15, 2022, 10:34:06 AM
Did anyone play well?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 15, 2022, 10:36:01 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 15, 2022, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Oglach on March 14, 2022, 10:19:37 PM
The whole thing is a bit of a shambles at the moment.
I don't for a second blame James McCartan as he was handed a hot potato, I actually admire him for taking the job on knowing how difficult it was likely to be.
I agree with an earlier post implying that McCory was walking into an ambush situation, best manager we've possibly ever had hounded out over a couple of bad results while he was building a team.
This season was a similar scenario, Laverty, Clarke, and Jim McGuinness among others lined up to be the next managerial team and someone from a small group of people in the know leak that information!
It's well known McGuinness values confidentiality and it was clear he wasn't getting it in Down! They all walked and rightly so.
I blame the county board, not everyone obviously but the same sabotage team that constantly hold the county back for whatever reasons they have. IMO it's absolutely rotten.

You do know the county board is made up of reps from every club including your own. Your rep proposed a no-confidence in Paddy Tally which was seconded by the Clonduff rep . There is no point in pointing fingers at anyone. We need to come together as a county and not to keep jibing at the county board or executive.
you've got your hand on the pulse of County Board meetings.What Club Oglach from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on March 15, 2022, 11:02:24 AM
I disagree that Kilcoo stole that final. They gave everything they had and got their reward. The build up to the goal (including the pressure put on their keeper) and the quality of the ball carrying and passing, at that stage of an All Ireland final - Wow. Just wow.
Down set up - Again, like Oglach just said - James knows what he got into, quite reluctantly from the reports. He's had little prep time and we all expect miracles, come on people. If you can't be realistic you'll always have a gripe. He deserves some serious respect for that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on March 15, 2022, 11:20:39 AM
The problem is not that we got rid of Tally, we were playing crap football and getting hammered eg Donegal in the championship. The problem is also not wee James, he proved himself a real Down man by taking the gig . The problem is the five months in which the Co Board did not fill the management post and then had to go cap in hand to wee James and beg him to take it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on March 15, 2022, 01:23:37 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 15, 2022, 10:36:01 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 15, 2022, 09:33:05 AM
Quote from: Oglach on March 14, 2022, 10:19:37 PM
The whole thing is a bit of a shambles at the moment.
I don't for a second blame James McCartan as he was handed a hot potato, I actually admire him for taking the job on knowing how difficult it was likely to be.
I agree with an earlier post implying that McCory was walking into an ambush situation, best manager we've possibly ever had hounded out over a couple of bad results while he was building a team.
This season was a similar scenario, Laverty, Clarke, and Jim McGuinness among others lined up to be the next managerial team and someone from a small group of people in the know leak that information!
It's well known McGuinness values confidentiality and it was clear he wasn't getting it in Down! They all walked and rightly so.
I blame the county board, not everyone obviously but the same sabotage team that constantly hold the county back for whatever reasons they have. IMO it's absolutely rotten.

You do know the county board is made up of reps from every club including your own. Your rep proposed a no-confidence in Paddy Tally which was seconded by the Clonduff rep . There is no point in pointing fingers at anyone. We need to come together as a county and not to keep jibing at the county board or executive.
you've got your hand on the pulse of County Board meetings.What Club Oglach from?
I'm from Kilcoo, as stated on my profile.
We're all anonymous here but the very least posters could do is state their club on their profile.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 15, 2022, 02:08:20 PM
Did anyone listen to Danny Hughes on a load of balls podcast, he said that we should do away with development squads as all money be pumped into coaching in schools. Are development squads good or a waste of time?
An interesting debate indeed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 15, 2022, 09:15:48 PM
Think Mr Brolly done an article on development squads a while ago. Must see of I can find it, or maybe I am imagining things.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 15, 2022, 10:54:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 15, 2022, 02:08:20 PM
Did anyone listen to Danny Hughes on a load of balls podcast, he said that we should do away with development squads as all money be pumped into coaching in schools. Are development squads good or a waste of time?
An interesting debate indeed
Danny Hughes talks well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on March 15, 2022, 10:56:48 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 13, 2022, 07:47:02 AM
Would the lack of success at St Colmans indicate not all is well in Down football? Abbey never produced but been a while since Colmans won anything of sort.

The presentation of the 2019/20 Danske Bank MacRory Cup has taken place with the winning captains from St Patrick's Maghera and St Colman's Newry. The Final had been rescheduled to take place earlier this month, but a decision was taken to cancel this owing to the current public health situation. As a result, the trophy was shared between the two finalists. 🤔
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on March 15, 2022, 10:57:14 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 15, 2022, 10:54:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 15, 2022, 02:08:20 PM
Did anyone listen to Danny Hughes on a load of balls podcast, he said that we should do away with development squads as all money be pumped into coaching in schools. Are development squads good or a waste of time?
An interesting debate indeed
Danny Hughes talks well.

The name of the Podcast sums up Danny's mutterings well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 15, 2022, 11:13:14 PM
Schools are inherently better placed to progress elite (or nearly) elite level footballers for a few reasons:

1: They don't have to do politics to the same level, so don't have to cart along as many potential players to keep clubs happy and this bizarre regional thing balanced.

2: They train mostly as an extension to the school day, so it doesn't often come head on with other hobbies, including club GAA.

3: They train during the winter months mainly so it doesn't butt heads as much with club GAA.

4: Schools tend to be centrally located to their player base. Not always. You'll get the odd lad travelling 45-60 mins to school, but he and his parents made a clear choice there and it's part of their daily routine.

5: Some schools will also have a pick of players from other counties, meaning lads train with and come up against a wider peer group in training.

6: Solid and potential  are monitored pretty much for 7 years for progress, and not in a Go Games environment.

So I'd largely agree with Danny on this one.

——-

There was an u14 development squad a few years ago carrying around 60 players. Maybe this is normal for them. It's a shocker if it is, and it's a shocker if it ever happens. There is never anything close to 60 potentially elite footballers born in a calendar year in Down. It just doesn't work like that.

Carting lads from all across the county to train with players of a mediocre standard makes no sense at all to me. It cannot be a good or rewarding experience for the genuine stars in the making.

Carrying everyone to Ballykinlar in a few years time will only exacerbate this problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on March 16, 2022, 03:59:47 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on March 15, 2022, 10:56:48 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 13, 2022, 07:47:02 AM
Would the lack of success at St Colmans indicate not all is well in Down football? Abbey never produced but been a while since Colmans won anything of sort.

The presentation of the 2019/20 Danske Bank MacRory Cup has taken place with the winning captains from St Patrick's Maghera and St Colman's Newry. The Final had been rescheduled to take place earlier this month, but a decision was taken to cancel this owing to the current public health situation. As a result, the trophy was shared between the two finalists. 🤔

Bad state of affairs when Colmans are clinging on to a shared trophy. I'd seriously doubt they'd have beat a star studded Maghera side (back boned Derry minor AI winning team). I can't remember when they last won a Rannafast or Corn na Nog.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on March 16, 2022, 08:02:06 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 16, 2022, 03:59:47 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on March 15, 2022, 10:56:48 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 13, 2022, 07:47:02 AM
Would the lack of success at St Colmans indicate not all is well in Down football? Abbey never produced but been a while since Colmans won anything of sort.

The presentation of the 2019/20 Danske Bank MacRory Cup has taken place with the winning captains from St Patrick's Maghera and St Colman's Newry. The Final had been rescheduled to take place earlier this month, but a decision was taken to cancel this owing to the current public health situation. As a result, the trophy was shared between the two finalists. 🤔

Bad state of affairs when Colmans are clinging on to a shared trophy. I'd seriously doubt they'd have beat a star studded Maghera side (back boned Derry minor AI winning team). I can't remember when they last won a Rannafast or Corn na Nog.

Clinging?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on March 16, 2022, 08:06:08 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 15, 2022, 11:13:14 PM
Schools are inherently better placed to progress elite (or nearly) elite level footballers for a few reasons:

1: They don't have to do politics to the same level, so don't have to cart along as many potential players to keep clubs happy and this bizarre regional thing balanced.

2: They train mostly as an extension to the school day, so it doesn't often come head on with other hobbies, including club GAA.

3: They train during the winter months mainly so it doesn't butt heads as much with club GAA.

4: Schools tend to be centrally located to their player base. Not always. You'll get the odd lad travelling 45-60 mins to school, but he and his parents made a clear choice there and it's part of their daily routine.

5: Some schools will also have a pick of players from other counties, meaning lads train with and come up against a wider peer group in training.

6: Solid and potential  are monitored pretty much for 7 years for progress, and not in a Go Games environment.

So I'd largely agree with Danny on this one.

——-

There was an u14 development squad a few years ago carrying around 60 players. Maybe this is normal for them. It's a shocker if it is, and it's a shocker if it ever happens. There is never anything close to 60 potentially elite footballers born in a calendar year in Down. It just doesn't work like that.

Carting lads from all across the county to train with players of a mediocre standard makes no sense at all to me. It cannot be a good or rewarding experience for the genuine stars in the making.

Carrying everyone to Ballykinlar in a few years time will only exacerbate this problem.

But is that not the whole point Wobbler?

Players develop at different times and at a different speed. Only picking the elite is not the way to go.  If you look at many good minor teams, how many, out of the 30,  really go on to have aong senior career?

In terms of schools, if the worth is not done in the clubs, then it's pointless. Great debate on the Antrim thread a few weeks ago about none of their schools playing MacRory football and the various reasons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 16, 2022, 08:16:11 AM
You seem to be working from the idea that once a squad is named at 13, it would be a closed ship until 17.

That shouldn't be the case.

When there's a strict cap on player numbers, then standards have to go up. Surely that makes sense? And when a lad springs up at 16 and he's invited into the panel, as the standard is better it won't take long to work out if he is still potential, or actually suited to representative sport.

Bloated square are a shitshow imho.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on March 16, 2022, 08:23:38 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 16, 2022, 08:16:11 AM
You seem to be working from the idea that once a squad is named at 13, it would be a closed ship until 17.

That shouldn't be the case.

When there's a strict cap on player numbers, then standards have to go up. Surely that makes sense? And when a lad springs up at 16 and he's invited into the panel, as the standard is better it won't take long to work out if he is still potential, or actually suited to representative sport.

Bloated square are a shitshow imho.

But what is final destination?

Is it to have a good U15 or U17 team OR have a player ready for senior inter-county football?

As development squads within county squads have been about about 10/15 years now, it'd be interesting to do a study of teams and find out how many players have come through 'the development system' compared to those who, for whatever reason, have not.

Nice wee project for a sports science student for their thesis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 16, 2022, 08:39:11 AM
The final destination is the same.

But my belief is that expanding a squad to fill it with "hopefuls" serves no purpose to the lads who are currently good enough.

Say there's 500 footballers at every year group in Down. Let's rank them quickly in order of current ability.

My guess would be that the gap in standard between those in positions 1-10 and those in positions 40-50 would be greater than the gap in standard between those in positions 50-60 and positions 150-160.

In effect, I believe, we are asking the current best 8-10 players in the county to improve when they're training and playing with average club players.

That's not going to take us to our destination. It's clearly not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 16, 2022, 08:57:32 AM
I see on Twitter that there were 30 u16 players to go to u16 county last week. There were also u15 trials, does anyone have a number of how many are trialing for u15?

I have been reading here and of the illusion that what the wobbler is saying is correct, we are setting our lads up for a harsh fall. Schools are better equipped to take our players through.

In saying that Sean og in his report to the convention urged post primary schools  for better access to coaching. I do think the county has been pushing for schools but to no avail. Is there a reason for this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rory on March 16, 2022, 09:26:51 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 16, 2022, 03:59:47 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on March 15, 2022, 10:56:48 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 13, 2022, 07:47:02 AM
Would the lack of success at St Colmans indicate not all is well in Down football? Abbey never produced but been a while since Colmans won anything of sort.

The presentation of the 2019/20 Danske Bank MacRory Cup has taken place with the winning captains from St Patrick's Maghera and St Colman's Newry. The Final had been rescheduled to take place earlier this month, but a decision was taken to cancel this owing to the current public health situation. As a result, the trophy was shared between the two finalists. 🤔

Bad state of affairs when Colmans are clinging on to a shared trophy. I'd seriously doubt they'd have beat a star studded Maghera side (back boned Derry minor AI winning team). I can't remember when they last won a Rannafast or Corn na Nog.

St colman's won the 19/20 Rannafast and went on to win the All Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 16, 2022, 09:32:25 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 16, 2022, 08:39:11 AM
The final destination is the same.

But my belief is that expanding a squad to fill it with "hopefuls" serves no purpose to the lads who are currently good enough.

Say there's 500 footballers at every year group in Down. Let's rank them quickly in order of current ability.

My guess would be that the gap in standard between those in positions 1-10 and those in positions 40-50 would be greater than the gap in standard between those in positions 50-60 and positions 150-160.

In effect, I believe, we are asking the current best 8-10 players in the county to improve when they're training and playing with average club players.

That's not going to take us to our destination. It's clearly not.

Depends what you decide your destination is going to look like. Is it ultimately senior intercounty level and the type of player you need to compete?

Do you look at a 14 or 15 yo and decide wee Johnny isn't going to be big enough, fast enough or whatever and discard him even though he's maybe got good feet, skill, movement or discard the big rangy lad as he's not the greatest at kicking?

Or do you just pick the best players at that grade and hope for the best?

I always find these conversations interesting as I'm not sure myself what's the best approach.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on March 16, 2022, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: rory on March 16, 2022, 09:26:51 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 16, 2022, 03:59:47 AM
Quote from: Down Follower on March 15, 2022, 10:56:48 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 13, 2022, 07:47:02 AM
Would the lack of success at St Colmans indicate not all is well in Down football? Abbey never produced but been a while since Colmans won anything of sort.

The presentation of the 2019/20 Danske Bank MacRory Cup has taken place with the winning captains from St Patrick's Maghera and St Colman's Newry. The Final had been rescheduled to take place earlier this month, but a decision was taken to cancel this owing to the current public health situation. As a result, the trophy was shared between the two finalists. 🤔

Bad state of affairs when Colmans are clinging on to a shared trophy. I'd seriously doubt they'd have beat a star studded Maghera side (back boned Derry minor AI winning team). I can't remember when they last won a Rannafast or Corn na Nog.

St colman's won the 19/20 Rannafast and went on to win the All Ireland.

Fair play. That's me back in the box. Still think they aren't the force they once were.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on March 16, 2022, 04:53:31 PM
Agree with Danny that there should be more done within schools with regards to player development. However, given the Armagh/Down split within the Abbey and College for example, would there not be a degree of hesitancy for the county board to invest in player development within schools where potentially Armagh players would reap the benefits?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 16, 2022, 09:14:12 PM
It's easy saying that more should be done in schools - but how do we as a county actually make it happen?? County Coaches are already tied up with primary schools so not available and in some secondary/grammar schools - the staff have absolutely no interest in taking teams or developing players. The Newry schools even though they are working with Armagh players have a focal point and head coach in charge of teams. St Joseph's have turned a massive corner with Poacher and young Kevin McClorey taking their teams to another level. Red High have a big focus on hurling this year by looks of it, St Malachys Castlewellan are competing seriously well at Oisin McGrath cup level with OLSPK playing McCrory this year and Acquinas, St Louis competing at every level. Biggest disappointment is St Patrick's Banbridge and St Mark's. St Mark's baffles me to be honest. Like I have said before my own lad is there and some of the things he tells me that's happening in PE and lack of passion for after-schools football is shocking. But putting a county coach in here won't sort the problems as they can't train all the teams and take them to games. The staff need to take a look at themselves and get this particular giant of a school off the ground and back competing again - and soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 17, 2022, 10:09:06 AM
Was in the public toilets in Newcastle yesterday evening. The ones up near the harbour. (Acceptable levels of cleanliness but nothing to write home about!)
Anyway when I'd finished my business I bumped in to a very "in the know" senior east Down Gael who informed me that former Fermanagh captain Eoin Donnelly has transferred to Carryduff.
Could be a great player for them but also makes me think back to when they used to play a lot of blow-ins which hampered the development of their own players.
As a one off Donnelly could be great for them but could be detrimental if it goes back to being their norm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 17, 2022, 10:37:51 AM
 Word reaches me that there was a bust up in the changing rooms after Saturday's game.Interventions from players restraining one of their own against a non player.Players met up to discuss this.More to follow.......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 17, 2022, 01:30:46 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 16, 2022, 09:14:12 PM
It's easy saying that more should be done in schools - but how do we as a county actually make it happen?? County Coaches are already tied up with primary schools so not available and in some secondary/grammar schools - the staff have absolutely no interest in taking teams or developing players. The Newry schools even though they are working with Armagh players have a focal point and head coach in charge of teams. St Joseph's have turned a massive corner with Poacher and young Kevin McClorey taking their teams to another level. Red High have a big focus on hurling this year by looks of it, St Malachys Castlewellan are competing seriously well at Oisin McGrath cup level with OLSPK playing McCrory this year and Acquinas, St Louis competing at every level. Biggest disappointment is St Patrick's Banbridge and St Mark's. St Mark's baffles me to be honest. Like I have said before my own lad is there and some of the things he tells me that's happening in PE and lack of passion for after-schools football is shocking. But putting a county coach in here won't sort the problems as they can't train all the teams and take them to games. The staff need to take a look at themselves and get this particular giant of a school off the ground and back competing again - and soon.

IMO they're seriously underperforming in the hurling and should be more competitive at the A grades there, can't fault their teachers but they just aren't there to bring them on to the next level.

As for the Red High they'd two ex pupils, now Ulster GDO's taking their hurling training most of the year and A level transfers from St Columba's helped push them up the ranks.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on March 17, 2022, 11:05:17 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on March 17, 2022, 10:37:51 AM
Word reaches me that there was a bust up in the changing rooms after Saturday's game.Interventions from players restraining one of their own against a non player.Players met up to discuss this.More to follow.......

Heard similar, heard it spilled over at HT and then continued on after game. Whatever happened, I hope it can be resolved quickly.
A couple of huge games coming up.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 17, 2022, 11:48:21 PM
A lot of talk about schools past few days - St Malachys had a golden era where they reached 3 All-Ireland finals in a row from 08-10.. Bar Paul Devlin and Darragh O'Hanlon did anyone else in those teams have an extended county career? I was thinking over the weekend and only those 2 came too mind
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on March 18, 2022, 06:13:09 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 17, 2022, 11:48:21 PM
A lot of talk about schools past few days - St Malachys had a golden era where they reached 3 All-Ireland finals in a row from 08-10.. Bar Paul Devlin and Darragh O'Hanlon did anyone else in those teams have an extended county career? I was thinking over the weekend and only those 2 came too mind
Conor Poland was part of that team as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2022, 08:22:37 AM
Being a good schools player doesn't automatically mean you will be a good adult player

Development sqauds are ok from under 16 up but it has to be run right which is not happening in Down that's why we have so many drop out

My nephew was on one and he got word on a Thursday night that he was training on Saturday and it could have been anywhere. Now that's ok only his parents worked so it was a scramble to get him sorted with a lift and eventually he just stopped going as he was already training with his club 3 nights and maybe 2 schools session

Whether we like it or not it's just not fancy to play for Down anymore

Look at the buzz around Armagh at the minute and the big crowds they are getting compared to us

Questions need to be asked from the top down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 18, 2022, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2022, 08:22:37 AM
Questions need to be asked from the top down

Questions need to be asked from the bottom up.

We are never going to win Sam with the current generation*, but we might win an All-Ireland with the 8-10 year olds in the county if they were prepared right.

Its already been talked about in here already to a degree. But we need to examine every step from when a kid first kicks a football right up to the senior county squad and ask
- is this step fit for purpose?
- could we do it better?
- should we be doing it at all, or something else entirely?
- what are everyone else doing?


*barring a fluke of monumental proportions - to which I'd be absolutely fuking delighted!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on March 18, 2022, 10:26:48 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 18, 2022, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2022, 08:22:37 AM
Questions need to be asked from the top down

Questions need to be asked from the bottom up.

We are never going to win Sam with the current generation*, but we might win an All-Ireland with the 8-10 year olds in the county if they were prepared right.

Its already been talked about in here already to a degree. But we need to examine every step from when a kid first kicks a football right up to the senior county squad and ask
- is this step fit for purpose?
- could we do it better?
- should we be doing it at all, or something else entirely?
- what are everyone else doing?


*barring a fluke of monumental proportions - to which I'd be absolutely fuking delighted!
I remember my own club a few years ago looked at odonovan rossa in derrys coaching strategy as they used to come down to our tournaments and clean up. They wanted to see if they could copy it and implement it here but just because something works for one club doesn't mean that it will work for all clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 18, 2022, 10:47:01 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 18, 2022, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2022, 08:22:37 AM
Questions need to be asked from the top down

Questions need to be asked from the bottom up.

We are never going to win Sam with the current generation*, but we might win an All-Ireland with the 8-10 year olds in the county if they were prepared right.

Its already been talked about in here already to a degree. But we need to examine every step from when a kid first kicks a football right up to the senior county squad and ask
- is this step fit for purpose?
- could we do it better?
- should we be doing it at all, or something else entirely?
- what are everyone else doing?


*barring a fluke of monumental proportions - to which I'd be absolutely fuking delighted!

Bar a freak year or two the all-county minor league seems to be dominated by Carryduff, Bredagh, Byransford, Kilcoo and the SD big clubs Hilltown, Burren, Mayobridge, and more recently Ballyholland. They more likely have bigger numbers and more manpower to coach properly.


Who was in the bust-up? That's not good to hear.

Eoin Donnelly will be a massive help to Carryduff but it might upset the apple cart as they have plenty of players. It is not to far from Carryduff to Loughinisland who love a bit of transfer dealing LOL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2022, 12:03:34 PM
The powerhouses in South Down including CPN are doing Trojan work at underage level
We are as strong at underage as any county in ulster club wise

Burren Mayobridge CPN Kilcoo Belfast clubs are putting in work that should be at the forefront of our county teams

We just are not seeing it transferred to a county minor level

The under 20s had a great run last year and we need to build on that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 12:34:03 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 18, 2022, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2022, 08:22:37 AM
Questions need to be asked from the top down

Questions need to be asked from the bottom up.

We are never going to win Sam with the current generation*, but we might win an All-Ireland with the 8-10 year olds in the county if they were prepared right.

Its already been talked about in here already to a degree. But we need to examine every step from when a kid first kicks a football right up to the senior county squad and ask
- is this step fit for purpose?
- could we do it better?
- should we be doing it at all, or something else entirely?
- what are everyone else doing?


*barring a fluke of monumental proportions - to which I'd be absolutely fuking delighted!

Moving the u13 grade to go games on a smaller field is, I believe a remarkably bad decision. It might help a few weaker players maintain interest and progress to their maximum ability. But at same time it's tying a chain around the development of stronger players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 18, 2022, 12:43:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 12:34:03 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 18, 2022, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2022, 08:22:37 AM
Questions need to be asked from the top down

Questions need to be asked from the bottom up.

We are never going to win Sam with the current generation*, but we might win an All-Ireland with the 8-10 year olds in the county if they were prepared right.

Its already been talked about in here already to a degree. But we need to examine every step from when a kid first kicks a football right up to the senior county squad and ask
- is this step fit for purpose?
- could we do it better?
- should we be doing it at all, or something else entirely?
- what are everyone else doing?


*barring a fluke of monumental proportions - to which I'd be absolutely fuking delighted!

Moving the u13 grade to go games on a smaller field is, I believe a remarkably bad decision. It might help a few weaker players maintain interest and progress to their maximum ability. But at same time it's tying a chain around the development of stronger players.

I have to disagree on that as the best players will get to play u15 for their clubs. Lobbing 10 plus goals into a massive net with a wee 3 ft keeper standing there serves no one any good. u13 football last year was really poor to watch as the best players totally dominated. Getting the ball and running 70 meteres to score and crap like that. u13 this year should be better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 18, 2022, 12:46:25 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2022, 12:03:34 PM
The powerhouses in South Down including CPN are doing Trojan work at underage level
We are as strong at underage as any county in ulster club wise

Burren Mayobridge CPN Kilcoo Belfast clubs are putting in work that should be at the forefront of our county teams

We just are not seeing it transferred to a county minor level

The under 20s had a great run last year and we need to build on that

I would safely say Burren has more more underage titles in 2021 than CPN has won in the previous 21 years . LMFAO you are some craic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 18, 2022, 12:43:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 12:34:03 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 18, 2022, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2022, 08:22:37 AM
Questions need to be asked from the top down

Questions need to be asked from the bottom up.

We are never going to win Sam with the current generation*, but we might win an All-Ireland with the 8-10 year olds in the county if they were prepared right.

Its already been talked about in here already to a degree. But we need to examine every step from when a kid first kicks a football right up to the senior county squad and ask
- is this step fit for purpose?
- could we do it better?
- should we be doing it at all, or something else entirely?
- what are everyone else doing?


*barring a fluke of monumental proportions - to which I'd be absolutely fuking delighted!

Moving the u13 grade to go games on a smaller field is, I believe a remarkably bad decision. It might help a few weaker players maintain interest and progress to their maximum ability. But at same time it's tying a chain around the development of stronger players.

I have to disagree on that as the best players will get to play u15 for their clubs. Lobbing 10 plus goals into a massive net with a wee 3 ft keeper standing there serves no one any good. u13 football last year was really poor to watch as the best players totally dominated. Getting the ball and running 70 meteres to score and crap like that. u13 this year should be better.

That depends on your club.

We had 2 x u13 sides last year and only one player (who is exceptional) played u15 grade.

If that was this year, we'd have almost 40 boys playing two-touch football. And the better ones, learning sweet FA from it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 18, 2022, 12:56:46 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 18, 2022, 12:43:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 12:34:03 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 18, 2022, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2022, 08:22:37 AM
Questions need to be asked from the top down

Questions need to be asked from the bottom up.

We are never going to win Sam with the current generation*, but we might win an All-Ireland with the 8-10 year olds in the county if they were prepared right.

Its already been talked about in here already to a degree. But we need to examine every step from when a kid first kicks a football right up to the senior county squad and ask
- is this step fit for purpose?
- could we do it better?
- should we be doing it at all, or something else entirely?
- what are everyone else doing?


*barring a fluke of monumental proportions - to which I'd be absolutely fuking delighted!

Moving the u13 grade to go games on a smaller field is, I believe a remarkably bad decision. It might help a few weaker players maintain interest and progress to their maximum ability. But at same time it's tying a chain around the development of stronger players.

I have to disagree on that as the best players will get to play u15 for their clubs. Lobbing 10 plus goals into a massive net with a wee 3 ft keeper standing there serves no one any good. u13 football last year was really poor to watch as the best players totally dominated. Getting the ball and running 70 meteres to score and crap like that. u13 this year should be better.

That depends on your club.

We had 2 x u13 sides last year and only one player (who is exceptional) played u15 grade.

If that was this year, we'd have almost 40 boys playing two-touch football. And the better ones, learning sweet FA from it.

How many times in a senior game would you see a player take more than 2 touches. move the ball quickly. Do you think young McGovern learned much by scoring 10 goals a game versus players who are no where as good as him both technicaly and physically.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 18, 2022, 12:56:46 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 18, 2022, 12:43:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 12:34:03 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 18, 2022, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2022, 08:22:37 AM
Questions need to be asked from the top down

Questions need to be asked from the bottom up.

We are never going to win Sam with the current generation*, but we might win an All-Ireland with the 8-10 year olds in the county if they were prepared right.

Its already been talked about in here already to a degree. But we need to examine every step from when a kid first kicks a football right up to the senior county squad and ask
- is this step fit for purpose?
- could we do it better?
- should we be doing it at all, or something else entirely?
- what are everyone else doing?


*barring a fluke of monumental proportions - to which I'd be absolutely fuking delighted!

Moving the u13 grade to go games on a smaller field is, I believe a remarkably bad decision. It might help a few weaker players maintain interest and progress to their maximum ability. But at same time it's tying a chain around the development of stronger players.

I have to disagree on that as the best players will get to play u15 for their clubs. Lobbing 10 plus goals into a massive net with a wee 3 ft keeper standing there serves no one any good. u13 football last year was really poor to watch as the best players totally dominated. Getting the ball and running 70 meteres to score and crap like that. u13 this year should be better.

That depends on your club.

We had 2 x u13 sides last year and only one player (who is exceptional) played u15 grade.

If that was this year, we'd have almost 40 boys playing two-touch football. And the better ones, learning sweet FA from it.

How many times in a senior game would you see a player take more than 2 touches. move the ball quickly. Do you think young McGovern learned much by scoring 10 goals a game versus players who are no where as good as him both technicaly and physically.

How many players do you think strive at senior football without the ability to open the legs, or walk out of a tackle, or work their way out of a tackle?

How many defenders do you think strive at senior football when they opt to back off a ball carrier after they've had two solos?

There's two sides to this coin.

Tyrone have players coming of 5-6 macrory cup schools at present. They're playing grade A, full sized football at school from 11 years old. That's where I'll look for my evidence for which side to choose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 18, 2022, 01:27:31 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2022, 08:22:37 AM
Being a good schools player doesn't automatically mean you will be a good adult player

Development sqauds are ok from under 16 up but it has to be run right which is not happening in Down that's why we have so many drop out

My nephew was on one and he got word on a Thursday night that he was training on Saturday and it could have been anywhere. Now that's ok only his parents worked so it was a scramble to get him sorted with a lift and eventually he just stopped going as he was already training with his club 3 nights and maybe 2 schools session

Whether we like it or not it's just not fancy to play for Down anymore

Look at the buzz around Armagh at the minute and the big crowds they are getting compared to us

Questions need to be asked from the top down

How are they not being run right??? How do we make it that it is run right???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wolfetones on March 18, 2022, 01:48:19 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 01:04:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 18, 2022, 12:56:46 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 18, 2022, 12:43:18 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 12:34:03 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 18, 2022, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2022, 08:22:37 AM
Questions need to be asked from the top down

Questions need to be asked from the bottom up.

We are never going to win Sam with the current generation*, but we might win an All-Ireland with the 8-10 year olds in the county if they were prepared right.

Its already been talked about in here already to a degree. But we need to examine every step from when a kid first kicks a football right up to the senior county squad and ask
- is this step fit for purpose?
- could we do it better?
- should we be doing it at all, or something else entirely?
- what are everyone else doing?


*barring a fluke of monumental proportions - to which I'd be absolutely fuking delighted!

Moving the u13 grade to go games on a smaller field is, I believe a remarkably bad decision. It might help a few weaker players maintain interest and progress to their maximum ability. But at same time it's tying a chain around the development of stronger players.

I have to disagree on that as the best players will get to play u15 for their clubs. Lobbing 10 plus goals into a massive net with a wee 3 ft keeper standing there serves no one any good. u13 football last year was really poor to watch as the best players totally dominated. Getting the ball and running 70 meteres to score and crap like that. u13 this year should be better.

That depends on your club.

We had 2 x u13 sides last year and only one player (who is exceptional) played u15 grade.

If that was this year, we'd have almost 40 boys playing two-touch football. And the better ones, learning sweet FA from it.

How many times in a senior game would you see a player take more than 2 touches. move the ball quickly. Do you think young McGovern learned much by scoring 10 goals a game versus players who are no where as good as him both technicaly and physically.

How many players do you think strive at senior football without the ability to open the legs, or walk out of a tackle, or work their way out of a tackle?

How many defenders do you think strive at senior football when they opt to back off a ball carrier after they've had two solos?

There's two sides to this coin.

Tyrone have players coming of 5-6 macrory cup schools at present. They're playing grade A, full sized football at school from 11 years old. That's where I'll look for my evidence for which side to choose.

U13 football in Tyrone is two touch, as U14 was before that. Your point in general is correct though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 18, 2022, 02:03:24 PM
The amalgamation of Ulster colleges and Vocational schools is a big no no for the smaller schools. The Down vocational school final was a great day in the school's diary and it gave a huge profile to the likes of st Columbans and st Malachy etc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on March 18, 2022, 03:17:56 PM
Should our priority be (1) a successful county team, or (2) keeping as many young people, of all abilities, playing football for a long as possible? Pehaps the two ae mutually exclusive.
Every club should have a 3rds team, for the lads who just want to play a game every week without having to live like Spartans; but instead all the focus is on the 'elite' footballers (for whom it will never be a career or a living, only a hobby).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 03:23:05 PM
Befair, i would argue day and night that the two biggest drivers of GAA interest - at all ages, among all abilities - is success for your club/parish, immediately followed by success for your county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 18, 2022, 03:29:39 PM
Quote from: befair on March 18, 2022, 03:17:56 PM
Should our priority be (1) a successful county team, or (2) keeping as many young people, of all abilities, playing football for a long as possible? Pehaps the two ae mutually exclusive.
Every club should have a 3rds team, for the lads who just want to play a game every week without having to live like Spartans; but instead all the focus is on the 'elite' footballers (for whom it will never be a career or a living, only a hobby).

sure lets play go games at senior level lol

Some clubs cannot field a 1st team never mind a thirds team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on March 18, 2022, 03:38:35 PM
It's very difficult to get both right. GAA is all about developing players to improve bring success to that particular club and by knock on the county. My own lads started soccer this year and you can see how different the set up is. It's about developing players full stop. Some stay at the club and play first team, some only ever play 3rds or lower, some play 5 a side and some move on to bigger clubs. They have more teams and less pressure which is great for the kids but you have to deal with more players that are never making past 12 years old and the issues that brings.
A lot of the coaching tips you hear on twitter etc are from people coaching in a big club in Dublin where they need to keep 10% of the U11s they have and the parents have no real affiliation with any particular club. In most clubs in Down you need 70% of players to be retained.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on March 18, 2022, 03:55:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 03:23:05 PM
Befair, i would argue day and night that the two biggest drivers of GAA interest - at all ages, among all abilities - is success for your club/parish, immediately followed by success for your county.

The two biggest drivers of gaa interest in any young person are their parents and wanting to play with a group of friends . Never once heard a child talk about the love of their club or county . That comes much later and presently the only love for county football is the bit of prestige that comes with it . Coaching structures need to change , coaches need to get better , we need better coaching awards . The coaching awards within the county presently are a joke , any eejit could become a level 1 coach and still not have a clue how to run a session . 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 07:44:00 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on March 18, 2022, 07:34:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 01:04:16 PMTyrone have players coming of 5-6 macrory cup schools at present. They're playing grade A, full sized football at school from 11 years old. That's where I'll look for my evidence for which side to choose.

Erm, as WolfeTone has pointed out there is a two-touch rule in place in U13 club football in Tyrone and has been for some time now back to when it was an U14 competition (introduced in 2009 IIRC). I think Derry have the same rule at the same age level too.

I'm happy to be corrected! Is it even two touch in championship?

So for the past 10-12 years, all Tyrone u13 (u14s) have played Go Games format for all club games, but roughly 80-100 of them a year play full rules in D'Alton and Corn na nOg football?

I find this truly bizarre.

Maybe two routes is the best way forward.  Just strikes me as it shouldn't be. When for example do Tyrone defenders learn to hunt in packs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 18, 2022, 08:47:14 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 07:44:00 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on March 18, 2022, 07:34:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 01:04:16 PMTyrone have players coming of 5-6 macrory cup schools at present. They're playing grade A, full sized football at school from 11 years old. That's where I'll look for my evidence for which side to choose.

Erm, as WolfeTone has pointed out there is a two-touch rule in place in U13 club football in Tyrone and has been for some time now back to when it was an U14 competition (introduced in 2009 IIRC). I think Derry have the same rule at the same age level too.

I'm happy to be corrected! Is it even two touch in championship?

So for the past 10-12 years, all Tyrone u13 (u14s) have played Go Games format for all club games, but roughly 80-100 of them a year play full rules in D'Alton and Corn na nOg football?

I find this truly bizarre.

Maybe two routes is the best way forward.  Just strikes me as it shouldn't be. When for example do Tyrone defenders learn to hunt in packs?

The high intensity hunting in packs probably partially stems from having to immediately apply pressure to an attacker knowing he is intending to pass the ball ASAP, and possession needs to be gained before he does. Defenders need to be close to their men at all times as there is a high likelihood their man will be given the ball at some stage of the attack. Keeps things more "old school" in that sense, stick with your man and eliminate him as an option or get a hand in if the ball comes his way.

It would be a system with pros and cons but sure so is playing the "normal" rules at underage, as stated previously when the strongest players just run the show and rack up huge individual scores, and others barely get a touch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 18, 2022, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 12:47:24 PM
If that was this year, we'd have almost 40 boys playing two-touch football. And the better ones, learning sweet FA from it.

Out of interest, what do you think they are not learning?

I'd have thought getting used to trying to find the best pass to hit - and then hitting it - would be very good learning for a 13 year old.

Indeed, while we're here, can you outline what you think they would be learning in competitive games at U-13 that would still be of benefit at senior level?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 09:54:56 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 18, 2022, 09:13:15 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 12:47:24 PM
If that was this year, we'd have almost 40 boys playing two-touch football. And the better ones, learning sweet FA from it.

Out of interest, what do you think they are not learning?

I'd have thought getting used to trying to find the best pass to hit - and then hitting it - would be very good learning for a 13 year old.

Indeed, while we're here, can you outline what you think they would be learning in competitive games at U-13 that would still be of benefit at senior level?

The key ingredient to any sport isn't the rules, it's the grading. Teams improve from having to play well to win matches. Teams lose interest when no matter how hard they try, it does not matter.

Go Games rules doesn't resolve the difference in two teams' abilities any more or any less than conventional rules does. I've watched my own club both get smashed out of sight, and smash teams out of sight in u11 football the past few seasons.

My preferred format for juvenile football would see that during the league season, struggling teams and slushing teams would literally swap out their divisions every 2-3 games, with the emphasis focused on each club finding their correct level for a 3-stream championship, which would be played on a round robin basis, then knockout stages.

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We were lucky enough to make u13 county finals each of the past 2 seasons. The first one we lost narrowly in a brilliant game of football. The second we won narrowly in a great game of football. Everything a young player needs to learn about decision-making, tactical variation, controlling nerves, recovering from mistakes, controlling momentum, was on display in these games.

Neither final would be remembered for a young player running 70 yards and lacing it into the top corner. These things really don't happen very often when evenly matched teams face each other. Yet if a newbie was to drop into the discourse above, they'd surely have to believe that the Down football annals are awash with young footballers who could do this on repeat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 18, 2022, 10:02:10 PM
edit: This was typed before your post above. Will read it now and respond in due course.



Hmm, just thinking out stupid suggestions here (for underage football) - some are pretty mad - but rationale also included so you see what I'm thinking...

Shoot them down at your leisure  ;D

- Keep full contact in games, its an important thing to learn.
- Rolling subs
- A player can only score up to a set figure (say 15 points total, sum of goals+points), beyond that, their scores aren't counted  [idea is to stop the 12 year old in the body of a 16 year old not learning how to use his team-mates]
- Game is played in quarters [idea is to get more feedback from the manager to the players so they are learning]
- The final score is calculated from each team's best score totals from 2 quarters [idea is to have a match that has both the pressure of wanting to win, and the freedom to experiment/give all kids game-time without sacrificing a result]
- if a team cannot field 15-a-side, but have at least 7 players, then a 7s match is played. If they have 9 players, 9-a-side, same for 11 & 13. Team that can field automatically gets (at least)1 league point. The (reduced size) game is played for another league point [obviously idea is to make more games happen rather than be called off, also feeds into below if it were considered]
- Its probably worth completely rethinking league structures. There is an awful lot of travel time relative to game time for some fixtures. Just taking East Down for example
--- Does it really make sense for Bredagh to travel to Kilcoo to play an U-13 game? Bredagh, St. Pauls & Carryduff could probably field (at least) 2 teams a piece. A 6 team sub-league.
--- Downpatrick, Loughinisland, Teconnaught, Darragh, Ballykinlar, Kilclief, Drumaness, Saul. An 8 team sub-league [Downpatrick have the population to field more than one team] 
--- St Johns, Liatroim, Castlewellan, Kilcoo, Bryansford, Dundrum, The Finn. Another 7 team sub-league [with the town and ford having the population to field more than one team]

Does that make more sense than the current rigid leagues for 15-a-side or 13-a-side?


I'm sure there is loads more stupidity floating around my head. Will add them as they come to mind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 18, 2022, 10:06:44 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on March 18, 2022, 03:55:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 03:23:05 PM
Befair, i would argue day and night that the two biggest drivers of GAA interest - at all ages, among all abilities - is success for your club/parish, immediately followed by success for your county.

The two biggest drivers of gaa interest in any young person are their parents and wanting to play with a group of friends . Never once heard a child talk about the love of their club or county . That comes much later and presently the only love for county football is the bit of prestige that comes with it . Coaching structures need to change , coaches need to get better , we need better coaching awards . The coaching awards within the county presently are a joke , any eejit could become a level 1 coach and still not have a clue how to run a session .
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Are they not national coaching awards though?? So everyone in the country that attends a level one coaching session learns the exact same stuff?? I don't think it's done by county or is it??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 18, 2022, 10:11:22 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 09:54:56 PM
The key ingredient to any sport isn't the rules, it's the grading. Teams improve from having to play well to win matches. Teams lose interest when no matter how hard they try, it does not matter.

Go Games rules doesn't resolve the difference in two teams' abilities any more or any less than conventional rules does. I've watched my own club both get smashed out of sight, and smash teams out of sight in u11 football the past few seasons.

My preferred format for juvenile football would see that during the league season, struggling teams and slushing teams would literally swap out their divisions every 2-3 games, with the emphasis focused on each club finding their correct level for a 3-stream championship, which would be played on a round robin basis, then knockout stages.


Decent argument there all right. Although I'd definitely be of the opinion the rules can be tweaked for younger grades to balance them more toward learning than pure competition (without losing the competitive element)

I was thinking more within the game itself rather than the fixturing (despite my raising it in post above, it was more there for a talking point)

Maybe early part of season as geographic sub-divisions, then later part of season is divisioned by ability of team (as determined by the earlier stuff).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on March 18, 2022, 10:33:06 PM
The main ingredient to any team at any level are the coaches IMO  .Improve the coaches and you improve the players . With respect to all coaches , Coaching in down is at a low level. Given a magic wand to have any home grown manager at your club would there be a long list ? Have we any down coaches/managers in county setups around Ireland outside of our own manager ? We had no one even entering thoughts to be put forward for the county job from within the county .If thats the case at the top end then it means the lower levels are the same as they supply the top end .  All I hear is the players aren't there . They won't ever be there until we invest in creating good coaches to bring them through .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 10:40:00 PM
I like the idea of sub-regions concept myself, especially at u11 (which to be fair Down largely implement) and u13. The only problem comes when you get a dream team like the recent Burren team, then it's in every local club's interests that all other clubs share the pain of playing them, regardless of travel time. I don't think they ever lost a game at juvenile level, so let's just call them a team for the ages.

The rest of those ideas could be fiddly. I mean, say John Smith from (for talks sake) Mayobridge scores 2-5 in the first 10 mins. Then his mentor (possibly his da) would likely move him to corner back rather than take him off. Mentors are the real pain in the arse, let's be honest. As is the GAA way, they tend to read the rule book for ways to create advantages, rather than understand them as a moral code for the game.

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Anyhow, why this is becoming more relevant to me.

I've been helping out with our u9s the past couple of years. We are light on numbers but what we do have, has genuine potential.

This year we are moving up to u11 and the lads are properly excited about getting to play on slightly bigger pitches with proper kits and proper refs.

And that it has been declared non-competitive this season bothers me none. They're all still in primary school and shouldn't need a full competitive focus to enjoy football.

But now that u13 has gone Go Games, it's going to be 3 more years before some of these lads experience club football as the same game they watch on TV.... that game we encourage them to watch and hope inspires them.

Meanwhile, there's 7-8 of the team are also playing soccer to a high standard (mid Ulster level). So they're playing 11 a side with fixed positions and interchangeable tactics, with pitches that provide space to revel in and solid opponents to hone their skills against. Playing offside. Playing for medals. The soccer games they watch on Sky, they can fully replicate this down to what they're doing on a Saturday morning. When they watch Andy Robertson play left-back or Kevin De Bruyne play AM, they can actually try to emulate those range of movements, that awareness. For that wee group of talented players, I'd have serious worries for what another 2-3 years of stifled Go Games scenarios might do their GAA interests.

Hopefully I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 19, 2022, 10:14:52 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 10:40:00 PM
The rest of those ideas could be fiddly. I mean, say John Smith from (for talks sake) Mayobridge scores 2-5 in the first 10 mins. Then his mentor (possibly his da) would likely move him to corner back rather than take him off. Mentors are the real pain in the arse, let's be honest. As is the GAA way, they tend to read the rule book for ways to create advantages, rather than understand them as a moral code for the game.

That'd be grand though.

The rest of the forwards would now have to think a bit more than "give it to John", and John would also learn more about a new position - and also see the field from a very different perspective - perhaps realising why his full back line can never hit him with a good pass... 'cos his runs are crap.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on March 19, 2022, 10:47:12 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 18, 2022, 12:03:34 PM
The powerhouses in South Down including CPN are doing Trojan work at underage level
We are as strong at underage as any county in ulster club wise

Burren Mayobridge CPN Kilcoo Belfast clubs are putting in work that should be at the forefront of our county teams

We just are not seeing it transferred to a county minor level

The under 20s had a great run last year and we need to build on that

Pretty sure your under 13s got beat in South down div 2 league final last season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 19, 2022, 12:03:19 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 18, 2022, 10:40:00 PM
I like the idea of sub-regions concept myself, especially at u11 (which to be fair Down largely implement) and u13. The only problem comes when you get a dream team like the recent Burren team, then it's in every local club's interests that all other clubs share the pain of playing them, regardless of travel time. I don't think they ever lost a game at juvenile level, so let's just call them a team for the ages.

They were beat in the minor 7s by Mayobridge if my memory serves me right. But even looking at this unbelievable underage team - did the mentors do these lads any favours? They were winning games at ease but I never seen Oran Murdock put into corner back or corner forward, Ryan Magill played in the half back line the whole time and McCarthy in the full back line. They were the strongest three on the team IMO but they are rigid in their development from underage.
Is that managers satisfying their ego by playing them where they will win the game??

How many u13,u15 managers do any of you know from any club would switch their team around for the "good of the player" and sacrifice a result - I'm blank...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on March 19, 2022, 03:52:33 PM
Very impressive win for Down today in the hurling agin Kerry who had 3 Limerick players in their team. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 19, 2022, 04:41:27 PM
Brilliant performance and result for the hurlers, into league final, Ronan Sheehan is doing some job. Good to see hurling being covered by BBC on the iPlayer, great coverage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 20, 2022, 12:43:17 PM
Any idea if the Cork v Down game is on any radio station??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 20, 2022, 01:01:50 PM
I was told cork 103fm was best bet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 20, 2022, 01:13:28 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 20, 2022, 01:01:50 PM
I was told cork 103fm was best bet.
Thanks I will give that a go
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on March 20, 2022, 02:44:18 PM
For a period of that game I thought we might have kicked on and won it,  in fairness to the lads they battled back well. Extremely wasteful in front of goal, some amount of chances missed for Down today - a little bit of composure and the game could have been different. And at the other end, Cork just seemed to get their scores a lot easier. Back down to Division 3, probably where we belong at this moment in time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 20, 2022, 03:27:20 PM
A little more composure not only today but against Meath and Offaly could easily have left us on six points. However, our consistent results over the last five or six years place us somewhere between D2 and D3 so relegation should not come as a surprise. The rebuilding programme which is required may be easier at the third level anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 20, 2022, 07:21:41 PM
Not good enough for div 2 or Sam maguire. Down are where they belong. Div 3 will be tough next year to get out off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 20, 2022, 07:25:56 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on March 20, 2022, 03:27:20 PM
A little more composure not only today but against Meath and Offaly could easily have left us on six points. However, our consistent results over the last five or six years place us somewhere between D2 and D3 so relegation should not come as a surprise. The rebuilding programme which is required may be easier at the third level anyway.

I stand to be corrected but how can we rebuild or have continuity if our U.20's do not have an S&C coach, do any S&C or follow a particular county programme? We are a Div 3 team at the minute but I would be fearful for any short/medium term progress. We're as low as we have been for a long while and it's hard to see any of our county teams doing anything this year. I know I am Mr Negativity but it's hard not to be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 20, 2022, 09:05:14 PM


I stand to be corrected but how can we rebuild or have continuity if our U.20's do not have an S&C coach, do any S&C or follow a particular county programme? We are a Div 3 team at the minute but I would be fearful for any short/medium term progress. We're as low as we have been for a long while and it's hard to see any of our county teams doing anything this year. I know I am Mr Negativity but it's hard not to be.
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Surely this is not correct??? Would this not be a prerequisite for any county squad in 2022??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 20, 2022, 09:56:38 PM
Surely Laverty and Clarke wouldn't have took over the u20s without a S&C coach? Unless they're doing it themselves? But I don't see Laverty divulging Kilcoo S&C secrets.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on March 20, 2022, 10:20:41 PM
If this team does not improve dramatically it may be easy enough to get out of Division 3 next year. Unfortunately.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 20, 2022, 10:35:56 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on March 20, 2022, 10:20:41 PM
If this team does not improve dramatically it may be easy enough to get out of Division 3 next year. Unfortunately.

Very true. Through the trap door. Clones at end of April would be a worry of a humiliation of 2016 proportions.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 21, 2022, 08:39:32 AM
Well done to the hurlers on a great win, Ronan has done a great job.
As for the primadonnas, they need to take a good hard look at themselves. If you don't respect the jersey then don't bother committing, and as for the fellas who arrived to training from the holylands on Thursday (drunk). They need to be rooted out of training tomorrow and never be given a Down jersey again. There are standards in this county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 21, 2022, 09:16:31 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2022, 08:39:32 AM
Well done to the hurlers on a great win, Ronan has done a great job.
As for the primadonnas, they need to take a good hard look at themselves. If you don't respect the jersey then don't bother committing, and as for the fellas who arrived to training from the holylands on Thursday (drunk). They need to be rooted out of training tomorrow and never be given a Down jersey again. There are standards in this county.

Surely that isn't true?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 21, 2022, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2022, 08:39:32 AM
Well done to the hurlers on a great win, Ronan has done a great job.
As for the primadonnas, they need to take a good hard look at themselves. If you don't respect the jersey then don't bother committing, and as for the fellas who arrived to training from the holylands on Thursday (drunk). They need to be rooted out of training tomorrow and never be given a Down jersey again. There are standards in this county.

Fairly big accusation there, is it 100% correct?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on March 21, 2022, 09:23:51 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2022, 08:39:32 AM
Well done to the hurlers on a great win, Ronan has done a great job.
As for the primadonnas, they need to take a good hard look at themselves. If you don't respect the jersey then don't bother committing, and as for the fellas who arrived to training from the holylands on Thursday (drunk). They need to be rooted out of training tomorrow and never be given a Down jersey again. There are standards in this county.
If the down players had more balls to them like the young Gael who jumped off the roof on paddy's day, then we would be better for it as a county.
Also surely you would only know that if you were down in the Holylands drinking with them TH
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 21, 2022, 09:26:36 AM
Down have a brilliant tradition which is getting absolutely thrashed on by some
The lads who took it upon themselves to go drinking Thursday and show up to training should be off the panel this morning
It's baffling how it's the talk of the changing room yet the management somehow failed to notice
James McCartan is one of our best ever players and for players to show that is a disgrace
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on March 21, 2022, 10:36:18 AM
Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 21, 2022, 10:52:06 AM
Down won't be far away from Monaghan.

Monaghan have spent a decade now getting more than the sum of their parts. Their approach allows them to compete with the best. But it doesn't magic up an ability to put weaker opponents to the sword.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 21, 2022, 11:03:05 AM
Sean og is not to blame for getting rid of Paddy Tally. The clubs of Down are!

The players who went drinking showed no respect to the jersey or for the proud traditions of GAA in our county. They should walk before they are pushed. I am raging about this.

We had plenty of chances yesterday. Why do we keep changing the keeper? I thought Kane played well in his last game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on March 21, 2022, 11:07:29 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2022, 11:03:05 AM
Sean og is not to blame for getting rid of Paddy Tally. The clubs of Down are!

The players who went drinking showed no respect to the jersey or for the proud traditions of GAA in our county. They should walk before they are pushed. I am raging about this.

We had plenty of chances yesterday. Why do we keep changing the keeper? I thought Kane played well in his last game.

Surely the drinking part is a WUM???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 21, 2022, 11:10:15 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2022, 11:03:05 AM
Sean og is not to blame for getting rid of Paddy Tally. The clubs of Down are!

The players who went drinking showed no respect to the jersey or for the proud traditions of GAA in our county. They should walk before they are pushed. I am raging about this.

We had plenty of chances yesterday. Why do we keep changing the keeper? I thought Kane played well in his last game.
Kane was in Edinburgh on a stag party!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 21, 2022, 11:49:49 AM
Quote from: Targetman on March 21, 2022, 11:10:15 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2022, 11:03:05 AM
Sean og is not to blame for getting rid of Paddy Tally. The clubs of Down are!

The players who went drinking showed no respect to the jersey or for the proud traditions of GAA in our county. They should walk before they are pushed. I am raging about this.

We had plenty of chances yesterday. Why do we keep changing the keeper? I thought Kane played well in his last game.
Kane was in Edinburgh on a stag party!!


Awh FFS. We are a fecking shit show. A shit show.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on March 21, 2022, 12:56:50 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 21, 2022, 10:52:06 AM
Down won't be far away from Monaghan.

Monaghan have spent a decade now getting more than the sum of their parts. Their approach allows them to compete with the best. But it doesn't magic up an ability to put weaker opponents to the sword.

Based on what exactly?
Struggling to make a case for Down keeping the game competitive
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 21, 2022, 01:32:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2022, 11:03:05 AM
Sean og is not to blame for getting rid of Paddy Tally. The clubs of Down are!

The players who went drinking showed no respect to the jersey or for the proud traditions of GAA in our county. They should walk before they are pushed. I am raging about this.

We had plenty of chances yesterday. Why do we keep changing the keeper? I thought Kane played well in his last game.

How many players were drinking? Surely they couldn't be stupid enough to actually do that, I mean if you're going to act the maggot and go drinking then at least don't go to training later on! Surely it's a wind up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 21, 2022, 02:23:32 PM
I wish it was a wind up tbh lads drinking, stag parties etc The money should be taken from the primadonnas, they do not deserve expert coaching, expert s and c etc
We need a root and branch change in Down GAA.
We are making the same mistakes and getting the worst results.


There was a good following of Down support in Cork, people giving up their time and money to go and watch men who pretend they care about the fortunes of the county but in reality, could not care two monkeys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 21, 2022, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2022, 02:23:32 PM
I wish it was a wind up tbh lads drinking, stag parties etc The money should be taken from the primadonnas, they do not deserve expert coaching, expert s and c etc
We need a root and branch change in Down GAA.
We are making the same mistakes and getting the worst results.


There was a good following of Down support in Cork, people giving up their time and money to go and watch men who pretend they care about the fortunes of the county but in reality, could not care two monkeys.

I wouldn't have much issue with Kane being on a stag as he hasn't been a county panel regular and probably wasn't even thinking of Down when he booked that trip as the focus was on Kilcoo. More concerned about boys drinking on the day they had training, I doubt any other county in Ireland has geniuses like that on their panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 21, 2022, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 21, 2022, 10:36:18 AM
Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 21, 2022, 07:10:50 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2022, 02:23:32 PM
I wish it was a wind up tbh lads drinking, stag parties etc The money should be taken from the primadonnas, they do not deserve expert coaching, expert s and c etc
We need a root and branch change in Down GAA.
We are making the same mistakes and getting the worst results.


There was a good following of Down support in Cork, people giving up their time and money to go and watch men who pretend they care about the fortunes of the county but in reality, could not care two monkeys.
Will you be running for Office in this root&branch reform of our County?I'm sure you'll have a lot of prominent backers throughout the County.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 21, 2022, 07:15:59 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 21, 2022, 07:10:50 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2022, 02:23:32 PM
I wish it was a wind up tbh lads drinking, stag parties etc The money should be taken from the primadonnas, they do not deserve expert coaching, expert s and c etc
We need a root and branch change in Down GAA.
We are making the same mistakes and getting the worst results.


There was a good following of Down support in Cork, people giving up their time and money to go and watch men who pretend they care about the fortunes of the county but in reality, could not care two monkeys.
Will you be running for Office in this root&branch reform of our County?I'm sure you'll have a lot of prominent backers throughout the County.


🤣🤣🤣🐂💩
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 21, 2022, 07:36:43 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 21, 2022, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 21, 2022, 10:36:18 AM
Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.

Not much chance of it happening elsewhere. I doubt many of the Armagh players turned up half juiced when they trained on Paddy's day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on March 21, 2022, 09:24:44 PM
It's laughable to note the sudden support for Tally on here? Do you all forget the shambles Down were last year? Stumbling over a poor Laois side in a relegation playoff before another hammering to Donegal. There was no kickout plan, played horribly defensive and didn't score enough.
There's certainly been no improvement this year and Down are probably the worst team in Ulster as things stand.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on March 21, 2022, 09:25:23 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 21, 2022, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 21, 2022, 10:36:18 AM
Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.
Ah Johnny come on of course lads are entitled to a drink but there is a time and place for everything. Turning up to training sauced (if true) is inexcusable, wouldn't be tolerated at any half serious club never mind county level. And with regards professionalism to even compete the level of commitment required is not far of professional levels, maybe this is (in part) why Down find themselves where they are today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on March 22, 2022, 07:45:07 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 21, 2022, 10:36:18 AM
Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

He was in Quinns in Newcastle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 22, 2022, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: Pocs pints and the gaa on March 22, 2022, 07:45:07 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 21, 2022, 10:36:18 AM
Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

He was in Quinns in Newcastle
Away back to the Lough shore and annoy ones from there as you have been doing for a few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on March 22, 2022, 08:51:14 AM
No ratings Sam or just rants today ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 22, 2022, 08:57:17 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 21, 2022, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 21, 2022, 10:36:18 AM
Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.

Players can have a drink when they are not training.

Terry O'Hanlon for county executive ASAP.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 22, 2022, 09:08:42 AM
Quote from: SamFever on March 21, 2022, 07:10:50 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2022, 02:23:32 PM
I wish it was a wind up tbh lads drinking, stag parties etc The money should be taken from the primadonnas, they do not deserve expert coaching, expert s and c etc
We need a root and branch change in Down GAA.
We are making the same mistakes and getting the worst results.


There was a good following of Down support in Cork, people giving up their time and money to go and watch men who pretend they care about the fortunes of the county but in reality, could not care two monkeys.
Will you be running for Office in this root&branch reform of our County?I'm sure you'll have a lot of prominent backers throughout the County.

No I wont be as I am not equipped for it but there are people in the county who are but are not involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 22, 2022, 09:12:26 AM
Quote from: Godsown on March 22, 2022, 08:51:14 AM
No ratings Sam or just rants today ?
Can't rate what I didn't see but can rant when a foreigner comes on bad mouthing a fellow Down man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 22, 2022, 09:13:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 22, 2022, 08:57:17 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 21, 2022, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 21, 2022, 10:36:18 AM
Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.

Players can have a drink when they are not training.

Terry O'Hanlon for county executive ASAP.
That would involve an EGM mid season but get you it sorted and we'll all be fine.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 22, 2022, 09:26:30 AM
Quote from: SamFever on March 22, 2022, 09:13:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 22, 2022, 08:57:17 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 21, 2022, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 21, 2022, 10:36:18 AM
Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.

Players can have a drink when they are not training.

Terry O'Hanlon for county executive ASAP.
That would involve an EGM mid season but get you it sorted and we'll all be fine.

What's Jack Devaney done wrong now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 22, 2022, 09:51:31 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 22, 2022, 09:26:30 AM
Quote from: SamFever on March 22, 2022, 09:13:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 22, 2022, 08:57:17 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 21, 2022, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 21, 2022, 10:36:18 AM
Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.

Players can have a drink when they are not training.

Terry O'Hanlon for county executive ASAP.
That would involve an EGM mid season but get you it sorted and we'll all be fine.

What's Jack Devaney done wrong now?

Well it's like this:

With the current exception of Kilcoo senior footballers, our clubs make no impact in Ulster club circles.

With the occasional exception of St Colman's, our schools make no impact in Ulster schools circles.

We barely manage a representation on UU or Ranch Sigerson, and even our QUB representation is dwindling.

The youngest players in Down football with an Ulster minor championship medal, are just turning 40.

——

The players aren't there. And the ones that are good enough are young fellas who've spent most of the past 2 years indoors like hermits.

You can bet your life that had this been a promotion decider for a team with a strong bench and and a positive future, they'd have continued as hermits for another week or two at least. But that's not us. Currently we are of D3 standard.

But blaming Jack Devaney is an easy out for some. For someone has to be to blame. I blame the clubs and schools myself, but hey ho.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 22, 2022, 09:56:02 AM
I am not blaming John Devanney, he's a top-class chairperson. He should steer the ship.

Wobbler the players are there to be competing at the top end of division 2, our leagues and championship is brilliant, far better than Armagh so what are they doing differently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on March 22, 2022, 10:35:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 22, 2022, 09:56:02 AM
I am not blaming John Devanney, he's a top-class chairperson. He should steer the ship.

Wobbler the players are there to be competing at the top end of division 2, our leagues and championship is brilliant, far better than Armagh so what are they doing differently.

Consistency and continuity of management and players. Armagh were a yo-yo division 2/3 team not long ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 22, 2022, 11:21:23 AM
how can we continue with managers when our clubs sack them at every opportunity. I blame the clubs and the county board delegates who are a massive problem in the county. Personally, they should not have the power to do this and it should be left to county executive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 22, 2022, 11:38:03 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 22, 2022, 11:21:23 AM
how can we continue with managers when our clubs sack them at every opportunity. I blame the clubs and the county board delegates who are a massive problem in the county. Personally, they should not have the power to do this and it should be left to county executive.
Disagree completely.

The County Executive, when they choose to vote as a block, have the control hand in our county's affairs. That's plenty.

But if the vast majority (and it takes a vast majority) of clubs don't want something, then why should it be possible for the executive to implement it? This is a necessary control structure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 22, 2022, 11:57:20 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 22, 2022, 09:51:31 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 22, 2022, 09:26:30 AM
Quote from: SamFever on March 22, 2022, 09:13:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 22, 2022, 08:57:17 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 21, 2022, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 21, 2022, 10:36:18 AM
Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.

Players can have a drink when they are not training.

Terry O'Hanlon for county executive ASAP.
That would involve an EGM mid season but get you it sorted and we'll all be fine.

What's Jack Devaney done wrong now?

Well it's like this:

With the current exception of Kilcoo senior footballers, our clubs make no impact in Ulster club circles.

With the occasional exception of St Colman's, our schools make no impact in Ulster schools circles.

We barely manage a representation on UU or Ranch Sigerson, and even our QUB representation is dwindling.

The youngest players in Down football with an Ulster minor championship medal, are just turning 40.

——

The players aren't there. And the ones that are good enough are young fellas who've spent most of the past 2 years indoors like hermits.

You can bet your life that had this been a promotion decider for a team with a strong bench and and a positive future, they'd have continued as hermits for another week or two at least. But that's not us. Currently we are of D3 standard.

But blaming Jack Devaney is an easy out for some. For someone has to be to blame. I blame the clubs and schools myself, but hey ho.

And the youngest players with an Ulster under 20 medal are just turning 21. What's your point here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 22, 2022, 12:10:38 PM
Mc Corry and Tally were sacked by the clubs, that was wrong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 22, 2022, 12:26:16 PM
I doubt we'll solve any problems on this message board, rehashing the same points over and over again.

On a positive note, the club season is almost upon us. Looking forward to seeing which teams improve this year, who can challenge for each division and the relegation scraps should be entertaining too.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on March 22, 2022, 12:29:28 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 22, 2022, 12:10:38 PM
Mc Corry and Tally were sacked by the clubs, that was wrong

The county board recommended that Mc Corry be sacked and the clubs opted to keep him in place . Mc Corry then left over the county board recommendation .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 22, 2022, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on March 22, 2022, 11:57:20 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 22, 2022, 09:51:31 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 22, 2022, 09:26:30 AM
Quote from: SamFever on March 22, 2022, 09:13:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 22, 2022, 08:57:17 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 21, 2022, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 21, 2022, 10:36:18 AM
Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.

Players can have a drink when they are not training.

Terry O'Hanlon for county executive ASAP.
That would involve an EGM mid season but get you it sorted and we'll all be fine.

What's Jack Devaney done wrong now?

Well it's like this:

With the current exception of Kilcoo senior footballers, our clubs make no impact in Ulster club circles.

With the occasional exception of St Colman's, our schools make no impact in Ulster schools circles.

We barely manage a representation on UU or Ranch Sigerson, and even our QUB representation is dwindling.

The youngest players in Down football with an Ulster minor championship medal, are just turning 40.

——

The players aren't there. And the ones that are good enough are young fellas who've spent most of the past 2 years indoors like hermits.

You can bet your life that had this been a promotion decider for a team with a strong bench and and a positive future, they'd have continued as hermits for another week or two at least. But that's not us. Currently we are of D3 standard.

But blaming Jack Devaney is an easy out for some. For someone has to be to blame. I blame the clubs and schools myself, but hey ho.

And the youngest players with an Ulster under 20 medal are just turning 21. What's your point here?

Surely it's self-explanatory?

If you think it's possible to compete at adult level, if producing a championship-standard juvenile group only once every 10-15 years, go and have a look at Antrim. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on March 22, 2022, 01:27:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 22, 2022, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on March 22, 2022, 11:57:20 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 22, 2022, 09:51:31 AM
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Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.

Players can have a drink when they are not training.

Terry O'Hanlon for county executive ASAP.
That would involve an EGM mid season but get you it sorted and we'll all be fine.

What's Jack Devaney done wrong now?

Well it's like this:

With the current exception of Kilcoo senior footballers, our clubs make no impact in Ulster club circles.

With the occasional exception of St Colman's, our schools make no impact in Ulster schools circles.

We barely manage a representation on UU or Ranch Sigerson, and even our QUB representation is dwindling.

The youngest players in Down football with an Ulster minor championship medal, are just turning 40.

——

The players aren't there. And the ones that are good enough are young fellas who've spent most of the past 2 years indoors like hermits.

You can bet your life that had this been a promotion decider for a team with a strong bench and and a positive future, they'd have continued as hermits for another week or two at least. But that's not us. Currently we are of D3 standard.

But blaming Jack Devaney is an easy out for some. For someone has to be to blame. I blame the clubs and schools myself, but hey ho.

And the youngest players with an Ulster under 20 medal are just turning 21. What's your point here?

Surely it's self-explanatory?

If you think it's possible to compete at adult level, if producing a championship-standard juvenile group only once every 10-15 years, go and have a look at Antrim.

Your point is well made ref AIMFC but it looks like you forgot the team of 2005  Whats  interesting  re 2005 however is number of Mayo players who went on to  play at the higher level in terms of competing for AISFC and top tier NFL over the years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 22, 2022, 01:56:28 PM
Would there be a database at county office for all the players who have went through the mourne academy? I would love to see the stats from u14through minor then to senior level. I heard that crossmaglen to not send their kids to development squads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
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Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.

Players can have a drink when they are not training.

Terry O'Hanlon for county executive ASAP.
That would involve an EGM mid season but get you it sorted and we'll all be fine.

What's Jack Devaney done wrong now?

Well it's like this:

With the current exception of Kilcoo senior footballers, our clubs make no impact in Ulster club circles.

With the occasional exception of St Colman's, our schools make no impact in Ulster schools circles.

We barely manage a representation on UU or Ranch Sigerson, and even our QUB representation is dwindling.

The youngest players in Down football with an Ulster minor championship medal, are just turning 40.

——

The players aren't there. And the ones that are good enough are young fellas who've spent most of the past 2 years indoors like hermits.

You can bet your life that had this been a promotion decider for a team with a strong bench and and a positive future, they'd have continued as hermits for another week or two at least. But that's not us. Currently we are of D3 standard.

But blaming Jack Devaney is an easy out for some. For someone has to be to blame. I blame the clubs and schools myself, but hey ho.

And the youngest players with an Ulster under 20 medal are just turning 21. What's your point here?

Surely it's self-explanatory?

If you think it's possible to compete at adult level, if producing a championship-standard juvenile group only once every 10-15 years, go and have a look at Antrim.

Not really self explanatory when you willingly omit under 21 All Ireland finalists and minor All Ireland winners to try and exaggerate the point you wish to get across.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on March 22, 2022, 02:36:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 22, 2022, 01:56:28 PM
Would there be a database at county office for all the players who have went through the mourne academy? I would love to see the stats from u14through minor then to senior level. I heard that crossmaglen to not send their kids to development squads

Same place you heard about the clubs giving Tally and Mc Corry the road was it  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
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Where was Mooney yesterday? Injured? Didn't see him part of the subs either?

Monaghan will beat us by 20+ points.. Sean Og and CO to blame for this miss. Look at the job Tally is doing in Kerry now. Yet Down being Down, chased another good manager due to county exec idiocy.

County exec idiocy?? How do u work that out? I listened to a podcast last week where Tally said the executive voted him back in but he didn't feel he had the full backing of the clubs when it was put to them. Are players not entitled to a few drinks? It's not professional sport. Plus why train on St Patrick's day when you know there is a chance of this happening.

Players can have a drink when they are not training.

Terry O'Hanlon for county executive ASAP.
That would involve an EGM mid season but get you it sorted and we'll all be fine.

What's Jack Devaney done wrong now?

Well it's like this:

With the current exception of Kilcoo senior footballers, our clubs make no impact in Ulster club circles.

With the occasional exception of St Colman's, our schools make no impact in Ulster schools circles.

We barely manage a representation on UU or Ranch Sigerson, and even our QUB representation is dwindling.

The youngest players in Down football with an Ulster minor championship medal, are just turning 40.

——

The players aren't there. And the ones that are good enough are young fellas who've spent most of the past 2 years indoors like hermits.

You can bet your life that had this been a promotion decider for a team with a strong bench and and a positive future, they'd have continued as hermits for another week or two at least. But that's not us. Currently we are of D3 standard.

But blaming Jack Devaney is an easy out for some. For someone has to be to blame. I blame the clubs and schools myself, but hey ho.

And the youngest players with an Ulster under 20 medal are just turning 21. What's your point here?

Surely it's self-explanatory?

If you think it's possible to compete at adult level, if producing a championship-standard juvenile group only once every 10-15 years, go and have a look at Antrim.

Not really self explanatory when you willingly omit under 21 All Ireland finalists and minor All Ireland winners to try and exaggerate the point you wish to get across.

It's not a willing omission. It's a factual record that Down haven't won 3 games in a row in the Ulster minor championship since 1999.

Minor is quite uncomplicated compared to even u20 - where players might have competing interests in club, Sigerson and senior county, plus the natural elevation of tactics and conditioning. Minor is a marker of raw potential coming through. Some years nerves will get the better of them before they can generate momentum. But not every year.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 22, 2022, 08:48:41 PM
 Conor O'Toole would have all the Data for Development Squads since he started in his role.Producing it as evidence to claims that these Squads have been a waste of time may be a different matter.The paid Coaches under his guidance have a case to answer also.Dismal,Dire and frankly a disgusting waste of the GAA's money.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 22, 2022, 09:03:37 PM
From the 1999 group - how many played at intercounty senior level for a sustained period of time - 8-10 years???
Benny, Murtagh, Sexton, Clarke?? Is that it??

Doyle was there but played a limited amount due to injury.
Grant, Walsh, Kearney were there for a few years only.

So out of this Ulster and All Ireland winning group we had 4 players. Is winning a minor Ulster really that important?

I would love the data on all players on development squads - that would make interesting reading. The county coaches - not being cheeky here - but what do they actually do? Surely this job should be for current players only for a period of 5 years to allow them the time to do the necessary training for intercounty senior football?? It might also allow the players time to retrain in a different career and hand the baton over to a current player who needs work - and the cycle continues... 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 22, 2022, 10:06:02 PM
All this talk of underage. Any idea of a starting 15 for Friday night v Fermanagh. Would there be tmany of the minor teams of 2 years ago when fermanagh dumped a very fancied Down out on their arses under a very underwhelming mccartan and poacher management team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 22, 2022, 11:48:02 PM
Some serious hypocrites on this board. The same people critiquing and abusing McCorry & Tally are the ones now thinking and saying maybe they weren't so bad. The grass isn't always greener folks. The unnecessary and ill informed constant bashing of the County Board and everything they do or don't do is also a disgrace. Time people got behind the County, in all facets, instead of just complaining and criticising behind an online pseudonym.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 23, 2022, 07:43:59 AM
Blame the paid staff who have access to primary schools and run a very very successful 8 weeks summer camps one of the most successful in Ireland

I know Mark Poland came into my kids school and the children absolutely loved it and are playing off the back of it

I could never understand why these coaches never got access to secondary schools

Sean Og touched on this in his report

How do you expect these paid staff to make Down successful?

Do people forget Tally's last year where we won 1 game and got hammered out the gate by Mayo Meath and Donegal

The buy in to our senior squad is just not appealing anymore and lads would rather play for a club

Lads who could be on County panel but for whatever reason choose not to be
But blame everyone else

J Johnstone
S Johnstone
A Branagan
D branagan
R McAleenan
D McAleenan
S Annett
S Dornan
D o Hare
C Toner
G McGovern
J Guinness
A Davidson
R Magill
R O Hare
C Smyth
M Bagnell
E Branaagan
C Francis
C Harrison
S Harrison
S Loughran
Walshe
D Magill

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 23, 2022, 08:03:58 AM
Meanwhile over in Louth who we would traditionally look down our noses at:

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0322/1287805-mickey-harte-to-remain-in-louth-hot-seat-until-2025/

Progress on and off the pitch.To do this their Top Table had to first realise they were in dire straits.
Down haven't grasped this yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 23, 2022, 08:20:38 AM
CB are having major issues getting training facilities for the various county teams at this time of year, in fact I was told that the senior footballers don't know from week to week where they'll be training on any given night, begging and borrowing of the various clubs and schools with floodlights.

The senior hurlers go to the Dub for an 8PM session so most of those lads won't be home till 11PM and later.

And you wonder why there's a list the length of your arm of lads that won't/can't commit to that.

James McCartan needs a medal for taking that type of shíte on and trying to do his best with it..

Ballykinlar will have it's faults, but the sooner it's built then the better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 23, 2022, 08:50:12 AM
The coaching staff are virtually PE teachers in primary schools and coaching children who maybe will never play gaa. The county board want them in secondary schools but schools say no. Sean og stated this in his annual report.

The players need to look at themselves, they get given everything and still moan.Is the Holyland crew cut yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 23, 2022, 09:04:11 AM
The fact we have no centre of excellence is a big problem
Minors training at 8.30 on a Tuesday and Thursday due to pitch availability
Some lads maybe not home until 1130
The players have not been given a great environment but they also need to take responsibility for this year as some lads turning up with drink on them is simply not good enough

The shambles of Newcastle almost 15 years ago has really stalled us as a county
But yes blame the paid staff who coach in primary schools for this mess
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 23, 2022, 09:11:50 AM
Whats the thinking behind these coaches getting access to secondary schools?
Mark Poland going into St Colman's twice a week is going to do what exactly?
Who are we talking about and which schools exactly.
I would thought that most schools are well equipped to coach their own and would have more experienced and competent coaches than what is being sent out by the county board in some cases.
Maybe im wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 23, 2022, 09:27:50 AM
Would they not better coaching a school's squad than a p4 class teaching them the fundamentals. Blaming coaches who go to a primary school is clutching and to blame them is to blame every u10 coach in Down. The players are in the county, we have one of the most exciting championships in Ulster, strong club leagues which other counties are envious of.

Ballykinlar will be massive for us and the county executive of the previous ten years was crippled with debt from previous admin including the Newcastle/Tesco fiasco. In support of our county board, they are got our finances into a far better position and they need a lot of plaudits for that in the previous 10 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on March 23, 2022, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 23, 2022, 07:43:59 AM
Blame the paid staff who have access to primary schools and run a very very successful 8 weeks summer camps one of the most successful in Ireland

I know Mark Poland came into my kids school and the children absolutely loved it and are playing off the back of it

I could never understand why these coaches never got access to secondary schools

Sean Og touched on this in his report

How do you expect these paid staff to make Down successful?

Do people forget Tally's last year where we won 1 game and got hammered out the gate by Mayo Meath and Donegal

The buy in to our senior squad is just not appealing anymore and lads would rather play for a club

Lads who could be on County panel but for whatever reason choose not to be
But blame everyone else

J Johnstone
S Johnstone
A Branagan
D branagan
R McAleenan
D McAleenan
S Annett
S Dornan
D o Hare
C Toner
G McGovern
J Guinness
A Davidson
R Magill
R O Hare
C Smyth
M Bagnell
E Branaagan
C Francis
C Harrison
S Harrison
S Loughran
Walshe
D Magill

Ffs there's a handful of these guys already on the panel. And playing for Warrenpoint does not automatically make you a suitable candidate for playing Senior inter county football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 23, 2022, 11:12:23 AM
I see Jack Devanney is on the load of balls podcast with Fegan and Doran this week. I will look forward to listening to that. Fair play to him for not hiding away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 23, 2022, 12:04:03 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 22, 2022, 09:03:37 PM
From the 1999 group - how many played at intercounty senior level for a sustained period of time - 8-10 years???
Benny, Murtagh, Sexton, Clarke?? Is that it??

Doyle was there but played a limited amount due to injury.
Grant, Walsh, Kearney were there for a few years only.

So out of this Ulster and All Ireland winning group we had 4 players. Is winning a minor Ulster really that important?

I would love the data on all players on development squads - that would make interesting reading. The county coaches - not being cheeky here - but what do they actually do? Surely this job should be for current players only for a period of 5 years to allow them the time to do the necessary training for intercounty senior football?? It might also allow the players time to retrain in a different career and hand the baton over to a current player who needs work - and the cycle continues...

The minor title in 1966 sent through 7 lads to win an all Ireland in 1968 and only for an injury to Dalsey Mooney it would have been 8.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 23, 2022, 12:40:19 PM
No point comparing situation with what happened in early 00s never mind the 60s. Dalsey Mooney!.Jesus wept.
Is it really that unfathomable for some to believe that times are different now, society has changed, priorities have changed and with it the thought process, lifestyle choices and decision making of young footballers has too. 

Anyone banging on about proud tradition, history, Down Way, pride in pulling on the jersey etc is simply living on another planet. Its a selfish game played by selfish people and nobody but nobody will give to the cause unless they are guaranteed to get something in return. Why would i, as a 24yr old sacrifice my best years and a social life with travel etc to go and play for Down?  Add in the fact that the game itself has evolved into a bastardised version of basketball, where creativity and expression of talent is stifled in favour of athleticism and system and where finances mean only the most affluent teams thrive.

The input and commitment required to play representative football nowadays just doesnt equal the output, especially in Down. There is no carrot in being selected to play for Down. Ive seen more jerseys handed out like confetti this last 10years than i care to remember and more questionable appointments and decisions made by decision-makers on an annual basis. If the decision makers cant see where they've gone wrong in their managerial appointment process in last 10 years then what little hope of progress is there. The managerial appointment process has been nothing short of shambolic. And i dont see it changing any time soon.

Im gonna agree with Ballyholland's finest when he said the crux of the problem or greatest challenge remains the clubs and local schools disconnect. Our schools dont compete regularly enough at the business end. Some schools do nothing and fall down badly. St Marks HS in Warrenpoint is an obvious example but i suppose historically Clonduff, Warrenpoint, Burren, Rostrevor and Mayobridge were sending a better calbre of footballer than what leaves P7 now to go to school there.

Theres about 10years of work needed to try and get the county teams back on track but it starts with clubs and primary schools.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 23, 2022, 01:13:54 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 23, 2022, 12:40:19 PM
No point comparing situation with what happened in early 00s never mind the 60s. Dalsey Mooney!.Jesus wept.
Is it really that unfathomable for some to believe that times are different now, society has changed, priorities have changed and with it the thought process, lifestyle choices and decision making of young footballers has too. 

Anyone banging on about proud tradition, history, Down Way, pride in pulling on the jersey etc is simply living on another planet. Its a selfish game played by selfish people and nobody but nobody will give to the cause unless they are guaranteed to get something in return. Why would i, as a 24yr old sacrifice my best years and a social life with travel etc to go and play for Down?  Add in the fact that the game itself has evolved into a bastardised version of basketball, where creativity and expression of talent is stifled in favour of athleticism and system and where finances mean only the most affluent teams thrive.

The input and commitment required to play representative football nowadays just doesnt equal the output, especially in Down. There is no carrot in being selected to play for Down. Ive seen more jerseys handed out like confetti this last 10years than i care to remember and more questionable appointments and decisions made by decision-makers on an annual basis. If the decision makers cant see where they've gone wrong in their managerial appointment process in last 10 years then what little hope of progress is there. The managerial appointment process has been nothing short of shambolic. And i dont see it changing any time soon.

Im gonna agree with Ballyholland's finest when he said the crux of the problem or greatest challenge remains the clubs and local schools disconnect. Our schools dont compete regularly enough at the business end. Some schools do nothing and fall down badly. St Marks HS in Warrenpoint is an obvious example but i suppose historically Clonduff, Warrenpoint, Burren, Rostrevor and Mayobridge were sending a better calbre of footballer than what leaves P7 now to go to school there.

Theres about 10years of work needed to try and get the county teams back on track but it starts with clubs and primary schools.

ffs the clubs that supply st Marks are always winning or competing well in our underage championships. You only have to look at results. ST Marks are still getting good footballers to their school in plentiful.

How would you change the mangerial appointment??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 23, 2022, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 23, 2022, 11:12:23 AM
I see Jack Devanney is on the load of balls podcast with Fegan and Doran this week. I will look forward to listening to that. Fair play to him for not hiding away.

Fair play to Jack Devanney? Let's have three cheers for Devanney , O Tool and McAteer while we are at it.

The mess this county is in has a lot to do with an inept county board who have operated for years and years in sneaky deals on the sly, even the word coming from some of the selection panel for the new manager were severely critical of McAteers influence and role in doing all he could to deny Laverty a go at it.

O Toole in his highly paid role has now had 15 years to make an impact, what is his legacy in these 15 years?

As for Devanney, I said here long ago it would end up a Queens mafia gig and now the word on the street is Karl Oaks is our new saviour, lining him up for a operations manager role, the good old Queens alumni comes to the rescue again.

We are a disgrace and until the county board is rid of these cowboys you can forget about clubs and schools. Like a piece of fruit that is rotten to the core, rotting everything it touches.

McCartan and AOR throughout all of this also getting a free ride they ain't exempt either, he won one game in five years at minor level alongside the likes of Ambrose, Poland, Poacher, Sean O Hare his Daniel, how was he allowed to continue? Also allowing the carry on that has been going on in the panel, how 5 lads can show up drunk to training is surely the final straw for the Queen's mafia.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on March 23, 2022, 02:46:56 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 23, 2022, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 23, 2022, 11:12:23 AM
I see Jack Devanney is on the load of balls podcast with Fegan and Doran this week. I will look forward to listening to that. Fair play to him for not hiding away.

Fair play to Jack Devanney? Let's have three cheers for Devanney , O Tool and McAteer while we are at it.

The mess this county is in has a lot to do with an inept county board who have operated for years and years in sneaky deals on the sly, even the word coming from some of the selection panel for the new manager were severely critical of McAteers influence and role in doing all he could to deny Laverty a go at it.

O Toole in his highly paid role has now had 15 years to make an impact, what is his legacy in these 15 years?

As for Devanney, I said here long ago it would end up a Queens mafia gig and now the word on the street is Karl Oaks is our new saviour, lining him up for a operations manager role, the good old Queens alumni comes to the rescue again.

We are a disgrace and until the county board is rid of these cowboys you can forget about clubs and schools. Like a piece of fruit that is rotten to the core, rotting everything it touches.

McCartan and AOR throughout all of this also getting a free ride they ain't exempt either, he won one game in five years at minor level alongside the likes of Ambrose, Poland, Poacher, Sean O Hare his Daniel, how was he allowed to continue? Also allowing the carry on that has been going on in the panel, how 5 lads can show up drunk to training is surely the final straw for the Queen's mafia.

Who are the 5 lads in this case? Management aside, this also highlights how there is no leadership from senior players on the squad to address this, and that standards have fallen so low that they can get away with this. Senior players in this case should be able to take responsibility and chase these fellas if this is true. But there in lies the problem, have we even got senior leadership in the squad who would command such respect to do this? Darren o Hagan comes to mind but after that I'm struggling. Who is captain this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 23, 2022, 04:58:23 PM
No need on the attacks on individuals who have given their lives to the gaa.  We can be constructive without attacks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 23, 2022, 08:26:15 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 23, 2022, 04:58:23 PM
No need on the attacks on individuals who have given their lives to the gaa.  We can be constructive without attacks
Attacks and constructive criticism are a waste of time.Until most Clubs get real with the appointment of their own County delegate and Convention attendees the rot will continue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 23, 2022, 09:31:40 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 23, 2022, 09:11:50 AM
Whats the thinking behind these coaches getting access to secondary schools?
Mark Poland going into St Colman's twice a week is going to do what exactly?
Who are we talking about and which schools exactly.
I would thought that most schools are well equipped to coach their own and would have more experienced and competent coaches than what is being sent out by the county board in some cases.
Maybe im wrong.

Completely wrong based on my experience.

The average teacher is not anywhere near the level required - and again, on my experience, pretty much all of them were not so much interested in the education side of PE, rather just the physical bit.

In my years in secondary, there were 2 teachers of any use for training and preparing for MacRory, one PE, another not PE... and to be honest, all too often the  PE folks took the easy way out and just played 5-a-side for PE "lessons".

There was fk all learning done. Not once, not fuking once, do I recall us either playing a training match, or just training at school - and any explanations or getting us to stop and think where we were on the pitch, what we were doing right or what we were doing wrong.


Fuk sake, one day training consisted of about 25 laps of the fuking pitch. Not a joke.
[Then I travelled home and did some real training with the club]


Mark Poland wouldn't be going in just to coach the kids - he'd be going in to coach the teachers [no doubt they'd react well to being told they aren't infallible after all]




(That said, of course its just my own experience, others will have it differently, some much better, some perhaps even worse.)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 23, 2022, 10:55:17 PM


ffs the clubs that supply st Marks are always winning or competing well in our underage championships. You only have to look at results. ST Marks are still getting good footballers to their school in plentiful.

How would you change the mangerial appointment??
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I couldn't agree with this statement more. Like I have said before my lad goes there and what's going on is a disgrace. Loads of teams on the pitches each day of the week but very limited coaching going on (apart from one coach who is excellent). Seems to just be accepted which is the worst part. Barney McAleenan bent over backwards for the clubs in the area and the likes of the point, Clonduff, rostrevor, burren, Mayobridge benefitted from his time spent with players of yesteryear.  The county benefitted at minor/U21/Senior level too. A school of 800 odd pupils needs to be producing more than they are at present. A root and branch look at this and other schools needs to be conducted to see what needs done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 24, 2022, 06:47:43 AM
Just out of interest do the IFA FAI or IRFU go into schools to coach. And does anyother county get involved in secondary schools elsewhere in the Country. ?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 24, 2022, 07:39:51 AM
Listened to Deveany speaking and to be blunt fair play to him for coming out with an interview
Some points I agreed with some I didn't
With all due respect the have the best plans at place in primary schools will make little or no difference to success for Down 12 years later

Look at car sure minor/under 20 all Ireland winners and they are in as bad a state as us
Dwveany was right we can do all we can but if we can't get the best players to commit to the county seniors we will not be able to compete with teams never mind be successful
And until we get a buy in from lads at 16/17 on we will struggle
As I said it's just not a big deal to play for Down anymore

We have no centre of excellence and the fact lads are travelling half the country to train week on week is a massive problem. I don't think people realise this

Imagine having our base with 4 pitches and our senior footballers and hurlers alongside the minors training on it. The difference it would make

Also Dr Aidan Cole made a brilliant point we harp on and S and C but did that really get us relegated? Absolutely not. Cruising against Offaly and threw it away nothing to do with S and C, dominated Cork but couldn't score nothing to do with S and C, had 2 brilliant chances against Meath at the end to win that was nothing to do with S and C, beating Cavan by 9 at half time nothing to do with S and C, Donegal beat us out the gate in Newry because they have better players and smarter players. Kilcoo aren't overly physical but they have great players. So let's some beating the S and C drum.

We need better smarter players who have the total commitment to the Down jersey and a base where everyone knows where they train.
Structures mean nothing without buy in from players

Was cheap for Doran to take a dig at James regarding how far the have fallen does he not remember last year with Down.? They were awful and on a downward spiral. He talked about under his tenure Down beat Offaly by 9 and now can't beat them. Did he forget the Meath beat Down last year by 9 but drew this year. Really can't get my head around why people think Tally's tenure was anygood.

We need the best players committed to Down football and until we get that we are going to be a division 2/3 yo-yo team and semi final of ulsters
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 24, 2022, 10:12:08 AM
Quote from: wobbller on March 23, 2022, 08:26:15 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 23, 2022, 04:58:23 PM
No need on the attacks on individuals who have given their lives to the gaa.  We can be constructive without attacks
Attacks and constructive criticism are a waste of time.Until most Clubs get real with the appointment of their own County delegate and Convention attendees the rot will continue.

And what do you want the delegates to do, go in shouting to get rid of managers because that worked out well in the past.

Our present failings are down to funding and which this current crop has had to deal with. The past few years have seen an excellent improvement in the handling of the crippling debt which was placed on the county after the Newcastle debacle.

The officials who are on the county executive are good administrators but I think more delegation needs to take place and trust to be given to other young officials in the county. There are plenty of young brains who would be able to trash out a coaching plan,  an athletic development plan etc the county executive would rubber-stamp it then.

A coaching pathway could be set up by men like Mark McCartan, Mark Doran, Benny Coulter, DJ Morgan, Mark Doran, Ambrose, John Fegan, Steven Poacher, Conor Laverty, Martin Clarke, Ronan McCartan, Joe Tunney, Danny Hughes, aided and supported by Wee Pete and Barney. There are a lot of other good brains that could be added to this but getting these people together would be a start to get the process rolling.

A strength and conditioning plan should be fronted by Aaron Brannigan and Mickey Walh who could then get other coaches on board to develop a long-term goal for the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on March 24, 2022, 11:26:31 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 24, 2022, 10:12:08 AM
Quote from: wobbller on March 23, 2022, 08:26:15 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 23, 2022, 04:58:23 PM
No need on the attacks on individuals who have given their lives to the gaa.  We can be constructive without attacks
Attacks and constructive criticism are a waste of time.Until most Clubs get real with the appointment of their own County delegate and Convention attendees the rot will continue.

And what do you want the delegates to do, go in shouting to get rid of managers because that worked out well in the past.

Our present failings are down to funding and which this current crop has had to deal with. The past few years have seen an excellent improvement in the handling of the crippling debt which was placed on the county after the Newcastle debacle.

The officials who are on the county executive are good administrators but I think more delegation needs to take place and trust to be given to other young officials in the county. There are plenty of young brains who would be able to trash out a coaching plan,  an athletic development plan etc the county executive would rubber-stamp it then.

A coaching pathway could be set up by men like Mark McCartan, Mark Doran, Benny Coulter, DJ Morgan, Mark Doran, Ambrose, John Fegan, Steven Poacher, Conor Laverty, Martin Clarke, Ronan McCartan, Joe Tunney, Danny Hughes, aided and supported by Wee Pete and Barney. There are a lot of other good brains that could be added to this but getting these people together would be a start to get the process rolling.

A strength and conditioning plan should be fronted by Aaron Brannigan and Mickey Walh who could then get other coaches on board to develop a long-term goal for
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 24, 2022, 10:12:08 AM
Quote from: wobbller on March 23, 2022, 08:26:15 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 23, 2022, 04:58:23 PM
No need on the attacks on individuals who have given their lives to the gaa.  We can be constructive without attacks
Attacks and constructive criticism are a waste of time.Until most Clubs get real with the appointment of their own County delegate and Convention attendees the rot will continue.

And what do you want the delegates to do, go in shouting to get rid of managers because that worked out well in the past.

Our present failings are down to funding and which this current crop has had to deal with. The past few years have seen an excellent improvement in the handling of the crippling debt which was placed on the county after the Newcastle debacle.

The officials who are on the county executive are good administrators but I think more delegation needs to take place and trust to be given to other young officials in the county. There are plenty of young brains who would be able to trash out a coaching plan,  an athletic development plan etc the county executive would rubber-stamp it then.

A coaching pathway could be set up by men like Mark McCartan, Mark Doran, Benny Coulter, DJ Morgan, Mark Doran, Ambrose, John Fegan, Steven Poacher, Conor Laverty, Martin Clarke, Ronan McCartan, Joe Tunney, Danny Hughes, aided and supported by Wee Pete and Barney. There are a lot of other good brains that could be added to this but getting these people together would be a start to get the process rolling.

A strength and conditioning plan should be fronted by Aaron Brannigan and Mickey Walh who could then get other coaches on board to develop a long-term goal for the county.

Let the lunatics take over the asylum  ....My God
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 24, 2022, 11:43:26 AM
These would be steering groups that would be overseen by the county executive. We have a lot of good people in the county and we are not utilizing them. Bu no one is a perfect coach, but rubbinbg ideas of one another are bound to help matters. We need to try something different.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 24, 2022, 01:31:30 PM
You can have all the steering groups you want made up of the great and the good, but you still need access to the schools, do the schools have room in the curriculum for GAA coaching? would something else have to go? if its after school is there a financial implication for the school? I am sure some would rather concentrate on academic excellence and dont really care about GAA   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 24, 2022, 01:45:23 PM
Can anyone post Danny Hughes's article in today's Irish news, i won't see it to later
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on March 24, 2022, 02:31:32 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 24, 2022, 01:31:30 PM
You can have all the steering groups you want made up of the great and the good, but you still need access to the schools, do the schools have room in the curriculum for GAA coaching? would something else have to go? if its after school is there a financial implication for the school? I am sure some would rather concentrate on academic excellence and dont really care about GAA

It must come from the clubs first - too late if they're in at 12/13. They need to have, not abity, but a serious interest in gaelic sports.  This comes fundamentally from their parents and their clubs by extension.

A lot of schools just don't have the interest but this can be changed e.g. Holy Trinity in Cookstown. They pushed on but they bring in players from other schools in Year 13 which boosts them.

But the clubs must do the work at U.7.5s - U13.5s.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 24, 2022, 06:31:35 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 24, 2022, 10:12:08 AM
Quote from: wobbller on March 23, 2022, 08:26:15 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 23, 2022, 04:58:23 PM
No need on the attacks on individuals who have given their lives to the gaa.  We can be constructive without attacks
Attacks and constructive criticism are a waste of time.Until most Clubs get real with the appointment of their own County delegate and Convention attendees the rot will continue.

And what do you want the delegates to do, go in shouting to get rid of managers because that worked out well in the past.

Our present failings are down to funding and which this current crop has had to deal with. The past few years have seen an excellent improvement in the handling of the crippling debt which was placed on the county after the Newcastle debacle.

The officials who are on the county executive are good administrators but I think more delegation needs to take place and trust to be given to other young officials in the county. There are plenty of young brains who would be able to trash out a coaching plan,  an athletic development plan etc the county executive would rubber-stamp it then.

A coaching pathway could be set up by men like Mark McCartan, Mark Doran, Benny Coulter, DJ Morgan, Mark Doran, Ambrose, John Fegan, Steven Poacher, Conor Laverty, Martin Clarke, Ronan McCartan, Joe Tunney, Danny Hughes, aided and supported by Wee Pete and Barney. There are a lot of other good brains that could be added to this but getting these people together would be a start to get the process rolling.

A strength and conditioning plan should be fronted by Aaron Brannigan and Mickey Walh who could then get other coaches on board to develop a long-term goal for the county.

You were early on the juice today TH. You want these guys to be the men deciding the coaching pathway in Down? Has any of these 'gurus' ever won anything with their teams to tell the rest of the County how to coach? You a deluded if you think that these people are the answer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 24, 2022, 06:40:01 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 24, 2022, 01:45:23 PM
Can anyone post Danny Hughes's article in today's Irish news, i won't see it to later

Interesting piece from Danny. Well written like all his pieces.
He identified issues & highlighted problems but unfortunately offered no solutions.

We all know something needs to be done but it seems no one knows what or is prepared to do it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CornUladh on March 24, 2022, 11:01:46 PM
Id agree.
Danny listed some problems but no solutions. He must have an article like that saved on his desktop as he usually wheels it out when Down are struggling.
Down love to wash their dirty laundry in public.
Those unhapoy with the CB should try and become their club rep and exert influence for change. I don't see that happening as it's easier to blame Sean Og!
Danny conveniently didnt mention his own advisory role to the last Down manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 25, 2022, 08:09:46 AM
Danny's annual rant has come early this year. He needs to look closer to home before he starts saying about how the Down county board run things. He blamed everyone but the players

Did he once mention the stuff that have happened during this campaign, starting players all nipping away for a few days holidays
Tenerife
Liverpool
Cheltenham
Italy
Skiing
Edinburgh
Sam fender concert
St Patrick's day drinkers


Players and supporters need to stop blaming management structures and Sean Og for the teams failings and start asking as to why o why players would book stuff during a league campaign
And don't come with the crap they are only amateurs. I would bet a million pound no other team has this carryon happening

It's the small margins that count

Down were in positions to win games against
Cork
Offaly
Meath

And won none
That's not down to structures
If we win another one of those and beat Clare we are talking about a great job the Managemt have done
What the management and County board need to do is rout out the bluffers about Down panels and start with lads who want to play. If that means going to 4 so be it. Gallagher has done it with Derry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on March 25, 2022, 08:45:46 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 25, 2022, 08:09:46 AM
Danny's annual rant has come early this year. He needs to look closer to home before he starts saying about how the Down county board run things. He blamed everyone but the players

Did he once mention the stuff that have happened during this campaign, starting players all nipping away for a few days holidays
Tenerife
Liverpool
Cheltenham
Italy
Skiing
Edinburgh
Sam fender concert
St Patrick's day drinkers
Baby Shower


Players and supporters need to stop blaming management structures and Sean Og for the teams failings and start asking as to why o why players would book stuff during a league campaign
And don't come with the crap they are only amateurs. I would bet a million pound no other team has this carryon happening

It's the small margins that count

Down were in positions to win games against
Cork
Offaly
Meath

And won none
That's not down to structures
If we win another one of those and beat Clare we are talking about a great job the Managemt have done
What the management and County board need to do is rout out the bluffers about Down panels and start with lads who want to play. If that means going to 4 so be it. Gallagher has done it with Derry.

You missed out one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on March 25, 2022, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 25, 2022, 08:09:46 AM
Did he once mention the stuff that have happened during this campaign, starting players all nipping away for a few days holidays
<SNIP>

Players and supporters need to stop blaming management structures and Sean Og for the teams failings and start asking as to why o why players would book stuff during a league campaign

Would you rather they book away during the summer?

You can't complain on one hand about footballers in the county not being willing to play for the county, then on the other hand demand complete servitude.

The players have wives, girlfriends, whatever, its not just the players your asking to make massive buy-in and sacrifices.


Fact is, quality is the problem, not quantity. Quality of players, quality of training, quality of gamplans. Running up a hill one more night a week isn't going to fix an inability to kick a ball accurately over 50 yards, or take that solo under pressure.

Any coach that has players running around cones, pitches, mountains or sand dunes should be hunted out the door*. You can run with a football just as well as you can run without a football, and your also working your mind when your body is fatigued too.

*unless they are running them ragged for poor application in prior drills!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 25, 2022, 10:44:17 AM
I have read Danny's column and it's the same drivel tbh that we have heard the past few years. Danny and Mark Doran need to run for the county board.

Smurf talks some crap at times but he has his finger on the pulse with regards to what is happening with the players and fair play to him for telling what has happened. Cheltenham before a massive league decider coupled with the Holyland drinkers is just a long list of what is going on in the  Down changing room. The Down changing room is like Man Utd at the minute. We have too many Pogba and Jesses instead of Roy Keanes. James needs to pull these boys out before next season starts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on March 25, 2022, 11:44:43 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 22, 2022, 10:06:02 PM
All this talk of underage. Any idea of a starting 15 for Friday night v Fermanagh. Would there be tmany of the minor teams of 2 years ago when fermanagh dumped a very fancied Down out on their arses under a very underwhelming mccartan and poacher management team.

Starting team out for u20s this evening on Ulster gaa website.

Only 2 from last year's final starting.

About 5 of that minor team from 2 years ago you mentioned - although this is not their year as such (those lads would be u19 this year).

Will be a tough enough match I think - don't know much about Fermanagh but a few of that St Michael's team that won the Hogan in 2019 are bound to be playing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 25, 2022, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on March 25, 2022, 11:44:43 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 22, 2022, 10:06:02 PM
All this talk of underage. Any idea of a starting 15 for Friday night v Fermanagh. Would there be tmany of the minor teams of 2 years ago when fermanagh dumped a very fancied Down out on their arses under a very underwhelming mccartan and poacher management team.

Starting team out for u20s this evening on Ulster gaa website.

Only 2 from last year's final starting.

About 5 of that minor team from 2 years ago you mentioned - although this is not their year as such (those lads would be u19 this year).

Will be a tough enough match I think - don't know much about Fermanagh but a few of that St Michael's team that won the Hogan in 2019 are bound to be playing.

I know a few that Hogan Cup team are over in Liverpool for Uni, good section of them played for John Moores in their All-Ireland win... Laverty would know them well too having coached with Corrigan in St Michaels for a while. Hopefully get the win and into the next round
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 25, 2022, 02:04:49 PM
Mainly dominated by Burren and the south Down elite. Disappointed Bredagh have no reps on the squad as they would have played at div 1 minor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 25, 2022, 02:42:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 25, 2022, 02:04:49 PM
Mainly dominated by Burren and the south Down elite. Disappointed Bredagh have no reps on the squad as they would have played at div 1 minor

So team selection should be based on players club or region now?

You want a player from every club in the squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 25, 2022, 03:14:11 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on March 25, 2022, 02:42:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 25, 2022, 02:04:49 PM
Mainly dominated by Burren and the south Down elite. Disappointed Bredagh have no reps on the squad as they would have played at div 1 minor

So team selection should be based on players club or region now?

You want a player from every club in the squad?

And wheere did I say that in my post?

What I am getting at is that we still have the same couple of clubs dominating squads and team. Maybe that's down to better coaching in the clubs or bigger numbers but the majority seem centered in Iveagh. There never seems to be a big selection from Lecale and we as a county need to understand why.
Better coaching in these area wuld increase better playerss.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on March 25, 2022, 03:19:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 25, 2022, 02:04:49 PM
Mainly dominated by Burren and the south Down elite. Disappointed Bredagh have no reps on the squad as they would have played at div 1 minor

Bredagh weren't in Div1 minor in 2019 which would be this age group - plus they have a few players in the squad I think. They obviously didn't make the team.

As for the south down bit it's a 6/9 split from the team sheet- if Sean Og McC was available it would probably be 7/8 - can't get any more even than that in an odd numbered team.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on March 25, 2022, 06:06:24 PM
Is under 20 game being streamed anywhere?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on March 25, 2022, 06:27:44 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 25, 2022, 03:14:11 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on March 25, 2022, 02:42:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 25, 2022, 02:04:49 PM
Mainly dominated by Burren and the south Down elite. Disappointed Bredagh have no reps on the squad as they would have played at div 1 minor

So team selection should be based on players club or region now?

You want a player from every club in the squad?

And wheere did I say that in my post?

What I am getting at is that we still have the same couple of clubs dominating squads and team. Maybe that's down to better coaching in the clubs or bigger numbers but the majority seem centered in Iveagh. There never seems to be a big selection from Lecale and we as a county need to understand why.
Better coaching in these area wuld increase better playerss.

Friday pints after school mucker?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on March 25, 2022, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on March 25, 2022, 06:06:24 PM
Is under 20 game being streamed anywhere?
https://www.beosport.live/products/ulster-u20-football-championship-down-v-fermanagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 25, 2022, 10:20:04 PM
 Replace Kevin McKernan with Oisin Savage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 25, 2022, 10:23:50 PM
One thing I definitely learned tonight is that out of the 24 players on the panel - 22 I can count all played at minor level. We are doing something right at underage (identifying talent) and now just need to give lads time to develop into senior players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 26, 2022, 12:50:57 AM
But how many will play Senior??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 26, 2022, 11:45:45 AM
Belfast city hall was lit up in Bredagh colours last night as we celebrate our 50th tonight, a year late mind you. Some journey for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 26, 2022, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 25, 2022, 02:04:49 PM
Mainly dominated by Burren and the south Down elite. Disappointed Bredagh have no reps on the squad as they would have played at div 1 minor

Considering Laverty had lads from Saul, Finn and St Johns starting on his team last year, I think its fair to say that he picks who he considers best in their position, regardless what club they are from.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 26, 2022, 07:21:12 PM
Coming from Laverty's own club gave lads a serious advantage last year and the same this year from what I see. I hope this years lads don't let the show down like they did last year at the end.

Down Minors beat 3.13 - 1.07 and not a mention on our social media outlets. Would there be any chance that we could find out when our teams are playing games so we could go and watch them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 26, 2022, 07:22:44 PM
So if true 22 out of 24 came through minors?

From what I remember that came through the underage system
McElroy
Fegan
Quinn
Mooney
Gilmore
Murdock
Kerr
O Higgins
O Rowe
Poland
Guiness
Mcevoy

So if all came through our system what are we actually doing wrong?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 26, 2022, 07:50:23 PM
I didn't think many Burren players were involved with Down development squads from U.13 - U.16  as they believed their structures were much better than Down's were. This obviously changed at Minor level then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 26, 2022, 08:09:32 PM
Murdock McCarthy and Magill were all involved at under 16 level
Not sure about the rest
But I know these 3 were
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on March 26, 2022, 08:15:30 PM
Quote from: Lotto on March 26, 2022, 07:21:12 PM
Coming from Laverty's own club gave lads a serious advantage last year and the same this year from what I see. I hope this years lads don't let the show down like they did last year at the end.

Down Minors beat 3.13 - 1.07 and not a mention on our social media outlets. Would there be any chance that we could find out when our teams are playing games so we could go and watch them?
😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 26, 2022, 09:02:05 PM
Quote from: wobbller on March 26, 2022, 12:50:57 AM
But how many will play Senior??

Let's say 50% do - that's some going and other counties ain't getting any more no matter what success they've had at underage..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 26, 2022, 09:04:27 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 26, 2022, 07:22:44 PM
So if true 22 out of 24 came through minors?

From what I remember that came through the underage system
McElroy
Fegan
Quinn
Mooney
Gilmore
Murdock
Kerr
O Higgins
O Rowe
Poland
Guiness
Mcevoy

So if all came through our system what are we actually doing wrong?

Expecting too much from our players perhaps... 9 of the players mentioned above are from 18-23.. still learning their trade at intercounty senior level I'd say
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 26, 2022, 09:09:04 PM
Quote from: Lotto on March 26, 2022, 07:50:23 PM
I didn't think many Burren players were involved with Down development squads from U.13 - U.16  as they believed their structures were much better than Down's were. This obviously changed at Minor level then.

I don't think that is what they believed to be honest. They were in 2 feile finals winning one and getting beat in other. Played in two leagues and won them and won championships so lads had plenty of football. They were trying to protect their players from overuse I'd say.
They def did play at u16 level though - lord knows Mark Doran talks about it enough on the podcast. I think he thinks he created them!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 27, 2022, 09:48:36 AM
Quote from: Lotto on March 26, 2022, 07:21:12 PM
Coming from Laverty's own club gave lads a serious advantage last year and the same this year from what I see. I hope this years lads don't let the show down like they did last year at the end.

Down Minors beat 3.13 - 1.07 and not a mention on our social media outlets. Would there be any chance that we could find out when our teams are playing games so we could go and watch them?

The number 4 Friday night would never make any other county team, you are right, Laverty will put the development of Kilcoo players first. His loyalty for Kilcoo cost him last year, letting the county down v Roscommon. The boy in question who is suspended has plenty of history eye gouging, and no doubt will be straight back in v Tyrone next week.

The senior set up goes from bad to worse, Kane back in goals after going on a stag last weekend, players laughing at management, our standards must have disappeared altogether.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on March 27, 2022, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 27, 2022, 09:48:36 AM
Quote from: Lotto on March 26, 2022, 07:21:12 PM
Coming from Laverty's own club gave lads a serious advantage last year and the same this year from what I see. I hope this years lads don't let the show down like they did last year at the end.

Down Minors beat 3.13 - 1.07 and not a mention on our social media outlets. Would there be any chance that we could find out when our teams are playing games so we could go and watch them?

The number 4 Friday night would never make any other county team, you are right, Laverty will put the development of Kilcoo players first. His loyalty for Kilcoo cost him last year, letting the county down v Roscommon. The boy in question who is suspended has plenty of history eye gouging, and no doubt will be straight back in v Tyrone next week.

The senior set up goes from bad to worse, Kane back in goals after going on a stag last weekend, players laughing at management, our standards must have disappeared altogether.
Laughable, this team at U-17 were beaten by Fermanagh with 9 -11 starters from Burren and a Burren Manager! Laverty and Clarke have righted some wrongs.
Taking nothing away from the particular Burren team as they were very good but to say to all other clubs in the county that your service's isn't required because Burren are here was ridiculous.
Back to reality, they'll do very well to beat Tyrone. We're quite as strong as last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on March 27, 2022, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: Oglach on March 27, 2022, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 27, 2022, 09:48:36 AM
Quote from: Lotto on March 26, 2022, 07:21:12 PM
Coming from Laverty's own club gave lads a serious advantage last year and the same this year from what I see. I hope this years lads don't let the show down like they did last year at the end.

Down Minors beat 3.13 - 1.07 and not a mention on our social media outlets. Would there be any chance that we could find out when our teams are playing games so we could go and watch them?

The number 4 Friday night would never make any other county team, you are right, Laverty will put the development of Kilcoo players first. His loyalty for Kilcoo cost him last year, letting the county down v Roscommon. The boy in question who is suspended has plenty of history eye gouging, and no doubt will be straight back in v Tyrone next week.

The senior set up goes from bad to worse, Kane back in goals after going on a stag last weekend, players laughing at management, our standards must have disappeared altogether.
Laughable, this team at U-17 were beaten by Fermanagh with 9 -11 starters from Burren and a Burren Manager! Laverty and Clarke have righted some wrongs.
Taking nothing away from the particular Burren team as they were very good but to say to all other clubs in the county that your service's isn't required because Burren are here was ridiculous.
Back to reality, they'll do very well to beat Tyrone. We're quite as strong as last year.
#not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 27, 2022, 11:51:46 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on March 26, 2022, 11:45:45 AM
Belfast city hall was lit up in Bredagh colours last night as we celebrate our 50th tonight, a year late mind you. Some journey for us.

Congratulations to all involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 27, 2022, 03:26:05 PM
Tg4 will spend a serious amount of time going around division 2 next year. Pity we weren't still in it..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 27, 2022, 03:58:54 PM
Well... After that result I'm sure it will be a calm and collect discussion on here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on March 27, 2022, 04:43:45 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 27, 2022, 03:58:54 PM
Well... After that result I'm sure it will be a calm and collect discussion on here

Popcorn at the ready
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 27, 2022, 04:56:34 PM
there's been some disappointing days for Down over the years but this league campaign has been the poorest in a long time, no fight, no desire, relegated with hardly a whimper. Apathy among the players, apathy among the support, sad times to see how poor we are. Division 3 is where we deserve to be unfortunately.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on March 27, 2022, 05:09:32 PM
"we're sh1t, and we know we are, we're sh1t and we know we are"

Down
Offaly
Westmeath
Antrim
Fermanagh
Laois
Cavan
Tipp
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 27, 2022, 05:14:44 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 27, 2022, 03:58:54 PM
Well... After that result I'm sure it will be a calm and collect discussion on here

Wasn't at it but heard in The Old Tom from a very well informed official that Sean Og, Jack Devenney & Vlad Putin are to blame.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 27, 2022, 05:53:26 PM
If Monaghan play like they did today it will be some ulster championship hiding.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on March 27, 2022, 06:40:17 PM
Nice precedent set by Down this past 2 weeks. You can go on drink in the lead up to a season defining game and still represent your county. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 27, 2022, 06:41:20 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 27, 2022, 05:09:32 PM
"we're sh1t, and we know we are, we're sh1t and we know we are"

Down
Offaly
Westmeath
Antrim
Fermanagh
Laois
Cavan
Tipp

Who would you be confident of beating based on this years performances? James Mc Cartan, Aidan O'Rourke and Ronan Mc Mahon have been working with these lads now for months and there has been zero progress. You can all talk about a late start which is fair enough but they have not managed to catch up at all on the teams above us in Division 2. They have also been let down by many individuals both on and off the field which doesn't lead to positivity in the dressing room. Rumours of bust ups after games again doesn't help either and shows serious signs of division which should not be happening and should not be talked about outside of the panel. The management may have already lost the dressing room and with a defeat to Monaghan inevitable, we could again go a year without a win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on March 27, 2022, 07:01:07 PM
Quote from: Lotto on March 27, 2022, 06:41:20 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 27, 2022, 05:09:32 PM
"we're sh1t, and we know we are, we're sh1t and we know we are"

Down
Offaly
Westmeath
Antrim
Fermanagh
Laois
Cavan
Tipp

Who would you be confident of beating based on this years performances? James Mc Cartan, Aidan O'Rourke and Ronan Mc Mahon have been working with these lads now for months and there has been zero progress. You can all talk about a late start which is fair enough but they have not managed to catch up at all on the teams above us in Division 2. They have also been let down by many individuals both on and off the field which doesn't lead to positivity in the dressing room. Rumours of bust ups after games again doesn't help either and shows serious signs of division which should not be happening and should not be talked about outside of the panel. The management may have already lost the dressing room and with a defeat to Monaghan inevitable, we could again go a year without a win.

Division 3 will be a dog fight next week. No easy games on that list. You are completely right about the player bust ups, doesn't seem to be much harmony within the squad at the moment. The team now have 2 weeks off, I imagine to regroup with the clubs. I heard through someone on the panel that this 2 week break is mainly to allow tensions within the squad to settle down. I'm not sure this team can tactically afford 2 weeks away. Long term, this lack of senior leadership could really harm the young lads coming onto the panel, standards have to be identified and outlined, and if senior players aren't holding players accountable then we will see repeats of this season happening again and again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 27, 2022, 07:05:41 PM
So at a time to prepare for Championship when Down started much later than most other teams and have used this as an excuse for their performances in Division 2, they then give the players a break. Seriously, you couldn't make it up. What a mess.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on March 27, 2022, 07:05:59 PM
Quote from: Oglach on March 27, 2022, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: Oglach on March 27, 2022, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 27, 2022, 09:48:36 AM
Quote from: Lotto on March 26, 2022, 07:21:12 PM
Coming from Laverty's own club gave lads a serious advantage last year and the same this year from what I see. I hope this years lads don't let the show down like they did last year at the end.

Down Minors beat 3.13 - 1.07 and not a mention on our social media outlets. Would there be any chance that we could find out when our teams are playing games so we could go and watch them?

The number 4 Friday night would never make any other county team, you are right, Laverty will put the development of Kilcoo players first. His loyalty for Kilcoo cost him last year, letting the county down v Roscommon. The boy in question who is suspended has plenty of history eye gouging, and no doubt will be straight back in v Tyrone next week.

The senior set up goes from bad to worse, Kane back in goals after going on a stag last weekend, players laughing at management, our standards must have disappeared altogether.
Laughable, this team at U-17 were beaten by Fermanagh with 9 -11 starters from Burren and a Burren Manager! Laverty and Clarke have righted some wrongs.
Taking nothing away from the particular Burren team as they were very good but to say to all other clubs in the county that your service's isn't required because Burren are here was ridiculous.
Back to reality, they'll do very well to beat Tyrone. We're quite as strong as last year.
#not
You  can add another correction.

This was *not* the team that were  beaten by Fermanagh 2 years ago. They would be u19 now. Next years u20 is the year group beaten by Fermanagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on March 27, 2022, 07:22:57 PM
Quote from: Lotto on March 27, 2022, 06:41:20 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 27, 2022, 05:09:32 PM
"we're sh1t, and we know we are, we're sh1t and we know we are"

Down
Offaly
Westmeath
Antrim
Fermanagh
Laois
Cavan
Tipp

Who would you be confident of beating based on this years performances? James Mc Cartan, Aidan O'Rourke and Ronan Mc Mahon have been working with these lads now for months and there has been zero progress. You can all talk about a late start which is fair enough but they have not managed to catch up at all on the teams above us in Division 2. They have also been let down by many individuals both on and off the field which doesn't lead to positivity in the dressing room. Rumours of bust ups after games again doesn't help either and shows serious signs of division which should not be happening and should not be talked about outside of the panel. The management may have already lost the dressing room and with a defeat to Monaghan inevitable, we could again go a year without a win.

A year without a win and quite possibly relegation to Div 4 early next year. Sadly, that's the way it is looking
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on March 27, 2022, 07:44:47 PM
Wouldn't read into the whole player bust up thing too much. It's common place in teams especially when things aren't going well. Maybe these players care more than they are being given credit for and the quality to play division 2 football just isn't there at the minute. On another note, has there been a few players that have left the panel in recent weeks? Seems to be some noticeable absences.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on March 27, 2022, 11:01:05 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on March 27, 2022, 07:05:59 PM
Quote from: Oglach on March 27, 2022, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: Oglach on March 27, 2022, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 27, 2022, 09:48:36 AM
Quote from: Lotto on March 26, 2022, 07:21:12 PM
Coming from Laverty's own club gave lads a serious advantage last year and the same this year from what I see. I hope this years lads don't let the show down like they did last year at the end.

Down Minors beat 3.13 - 1.07 and not a mention on our social media outlets. Would there be any chance that we could find out when our teams are playing games so we could go and watch them?

The number 4 Friday night would never make any other county team, you are right, Laverty will put the development of Kilcoo players first. His loyalty for Kilcoo cost him last year, letting the county down v Roscommon. The boy in question who is suspended has plenty of history eye gouging, and no doubt will be straight back in v Tyrone next week.

The senior set up goes from bad to worse, Kane back in goals after going on a stag last weekend, players laughing at management, our standards must have disappeared altogether.
Laughable, this team at U-17 were beaten by Fermanagh with 9 -11 starters from Burren and a Burren Manager! Laverty and Clarke have righted some wrongs.
Taking nothing away from the particular Burren team as they were very good but to say to all other clubs in the county that your service's isn't required because Burren are here was ridiculous.
Back to reality, they'll do very well to beat Tyrone. We're quite as strong as last year.
#not
You  can add another correction.

This was *not* the team that were  beaten by Fermanagh 2 years ago. They would be u19 now. Next years u20 is the year group beaten by Fermanagh.
I stand corrected on the date/year. I believe my point is still valid though.
I was simply pointing out some of the double standards read here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 28, 2022, 08:32:49 AM
A poor showing yesterday but there is hope after the u20 win on Friday. I hope the players can gel together and give the Taitleann a rattle. These players have won nothing for Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on March 28, 2022, 08:45:55 AM
You're in earlier than normal this morning, TH. Must be on flexi today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 28, 2022, 12:31:08 PM
 It'll be a hammering away to Monaghan and a long wait to we see County Football again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 28, 2022, 01:01:52 PM
If we get beat then prepare right for the taitleann cup. And go and win it, it would be a good boost for the county.

The hurlers winning at the weekend coupled with an u20 win would be great as well.

The county board got a lot of flak-like week but that's an easy option to hit, players need to ask themselves a few home truths.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 28, 2022, 01:07:59 PM
Let's try to be positive on here this week. Any word as to how pre-season is going for teams at the minute.

I see Annaclone beat Liatriom in the Ulster league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 28, 2022, 02:41:57 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 28, 2022, 01:01:52 PM
If we get beat then prepare right for the taitleann cup. And go and win it, it would be a good boost for the county.

The hurlers winning at the weekend coupled with an u20 win would be great as well.

The county board got a lot of flak-like week but that's an easy option to hit, players need to ask themselves a few home truths.
Looking at the sides that will be in the Tailteann I'm struggling to pick out many that I'd be confident Down could beat. Need some massive boost to win a match never mind a tournament.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on March 28, 2022, 03:48:02 PM
Quote from: Oglach on March 27, 2022, 11:01:05 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on March 27, 2022, 07:05:59 PM
Quote from: Oglach on March 27, 2022, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: Oglach on March 27, 2022, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 27, 2022, 09:48:36 AM
Quote from: Lotto on March 26, 2022, 07:21:12 PM
Coming from Laverty's own club gave lads a serious advantage last year and the same this year from what I see. I hope this years lads don't let the show down like they did last year at the end.

Down Minors beat 3.13 - 1.07 and not a mention on our social media outlets. Would there be any chance that we could find out when our teams are playing games so we could go and watch them?

The number 4 Friday night would never make any other county team, you are right, Laverty will put the development of Kilcoo players first. His loyalty for Kilcoo cost him last year, letting the county down v Roscommon. The boy in question who is suspended has plenty of history eye gouging, and no doubt will be straight back in v Tyrone next week.

The senior set up goes from bad to worse, Kane back in goals after going on a stag last weekend, players laughing at management, our standards must have disappeared altogether.
Laughable, this team at U-17 were beaten by Fermanagh with 9 -11 starters from Burren and a Burren Manager! Laverty and Clarke have righted some wrongs.
Taking nothing away from the particular Burren team as they were very good but to say to all other clubs in the county that your service's isn't required because Burren are here was ridiculous.
Back to reality, they'll do very well to beat Tyrone. We're quite as strong as last year.
#not
You  can add another correction.

This was *not* the team that were  beaten by Fermanagh 2 years ago. They would be u19 now. Next years u20 is the year group beaten by Fermanagh.
I stand corrected on the date/year. I believe my point is still valid though.
I was simply pointing out some of the double standards read here.
You'll get a good comparison after Saturday.

This year group lost to Tyrone by 5 in minor c'ship 3 years ago - so that will give a pretty good indicator of progress - although some of the players will have changed obviously.

Last year was the group that missed out on minor due to the u18 to u17 change I believe, so they didn't have any minor results to compare with.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 28, 2022, 04:13:55 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 28, 2022, 02:41:57 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 28, 2022, 01:01:52 PM
If we get beat then prepare right for the taitleann cup. And go and win it, it would be a good boost for the county.

The hurlers winning at the weekend coupled with an u20 win would be great as well.

The county board got a lot of flak-like week but that's an easy option to hit, players need to ask themselves a few home truths.
Looking at the sides that will be in the Tailteann I'm struggling to pick out many that I'd be confident Down could beat. Need some massive boost to win a match never mind a tournament.

I know things are bad but if there was a fully fit panel to pick from would we not be capable of beating all Div 4 teams and some Div 3 teams ?

The under 20's were impressive on Friday night, great movement as a team and seemed to have a structure about them that doesnt appear to be there at senior level.  In saying that Fermanagh were very poor and outside Murdock I didn't see anyone ready to make the step up to senior level yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on March 28, 2022, 07:27:43 PM
How many players will hang about after the monaghan game? I think  a few boys will head for the USA

U20 game,  u can only beat what's in front of u, but fermanagh were very poor . Tyrone will tell us about this years team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 28, 2022, 08:33:51 PM
Was there many of the Down players that started fri night v Fermanagh in the team that lost to Tyrone in the leo murphy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 28, 2022, 09:21:37 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 28, 2022, 08:33:51 PM
Was there many of the Down players that started fri night v Fermanagh in the team that lost to Tyrone in the leo murphy?

Is Ryan Magill out injured? Anyone else due to come back in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 08:40:03 AM
Quote from: sdg on March 28, 2022, 07:27:43 PM
How many players will hang about after the monaghan game? I think  a few boys will head for the USA

U20 game,  u can only beat what's in front of u, but fermanagh were very poor . Tyrone will tell us about this years team.

If they do not stay around for the Taitleann they should never get a jersey again. We are handing senior jerseys out like confetti the past few years and although we are quick to hit the county board. No one seems to question the players. The hurlers don't seem to have an issue with the county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 29, 2022, 10:41:39 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 08:40:03 AM
Quote from: sdg on March 28, 2022, 07:27:43 PM
How many players will hang about after the monaghan game? I think  a few boys will head for the USA

U20 game,  u can only beat what's in front of u, but fermanagh were very poor . Tyrone will tell us about this years team.

If they do not stay around for the Taitleann they should never get a jersey again. We are handing senior jerseys out like confetti the past few years and although we are quick to hit the county board. No one seems to question the players. The hurlers don't seem to have an issue with the county board.

How would you know?

FWIW we're now almost into April and still no sign of an U15 development squad for the hurlers and last years was a waste of time. Three outings I think they had all in.

Currently our U17 and U20 hurlers haven't a clue where they're training and parents last week only found out the evening before that the U17's were to train in Ballykinlar and the lights are nowhere near sufficient to play hurling under and one coach told me it was a waste of time going there.
The senior hurlers train are Ok as they agreed to train in the Dub all winter so the CB booked them in there, so they'd committed to the traveling two, three times a week and are indeed getting player buy in but it's a big ask for a lot of these lads to sustain for any great length of time.

The county camogs with no executive in place are better run.

I don't know much about you or anyone else giving out about commitment levels asked of young lads, but unless you've tried it yourself then I suggest you wind it down giving out about this honour of playing for your county as honour doesn't pay your bills.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 11:05:45 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 29, 2022, 10:41:39 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 08:40:03 AM
Quote from: sdg on March 28, 2022, 07:27:43 PM
How many players will hang about after the monaghan game? I think  a few boys will head for the USA

U20 game,  u can only beat what's in front of u, but fermanagh were very poor . Tyrone will tell us about this years team.

If they do not stay around for the Taitleann they should never get a jersey again. We are handing senior jerseys out like confetti the past few years and although we are quick to hit the county board. No one seems to question the players. The hurlers don't seem to have an issue with the county board.

How would you know?

FWIW we're now almost into April and still no sign of an U15 development squad for the hurlers and last years was a waste of time. Three outings I think they had all in.

Currently our U17 and U20 hurlers haven't a clue where they're training and parents last week only found out the evening before that the U17's were to train in Ballykinlar and the lights are nowhere near sufficient to play hurling under and one coach told me it was a waste of time going there.
The senior hurlers train are Ok as they agreed to train in the Dub all winter so the CB booked them in there, so they'd committed to the traveling two, three times a week and are indeed getting player buy in but it's a big ask for a lot of these lads to sustain for any great length of time.

The county camogs with no executive in place are better run.

I don't know much about you or anyone else giving out about commitment levels asked of young lads, but unless you've tried it yourself then I suggest you wind it down giving out about this honour of playing for your county as honour doesn't pay your bills.

Trying to source pitches for dev squads and county training seem to be a massive issue. The sooner Ballykinlar is complete the better.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 29, 2022, 11:14:32 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 29, 2022, 10:41:39 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 08:40:03 AM
Quote from: sdg on March 28, 2022, 07:27:43 PM
How many players will hang about after the monaghan game? I think  a few boys will head for the USA

U20 game,  u can only beat what's in front of u, but fermanagh were very poor . Tyrone will tell us about this years team.

If they do not stay around for the Taitleann they should never get a jersey again. We are handing senior jerseys out like confetti the past few years and although we are quick to hit the county board. No one seems to question the players. The hurlers don't seem to have an issue with the county board.

How would you know?

FWIW we're now almost into April and still no sign of an U15 development squad for the hurlers and last years was a waste of time. Three outings I think they had all in.

Currently our U17 and U20 hurlers haven't a clue where they're training and parents last week only found out the evening before that the U17's were to train in Ballykinlar and the lights are nowhere near sufficient to play hurling under and one coach told me it was a waste of time going there.
The senior hurlers train are Ok as they agreed to train in the Dub all winter so the CB booked them in there, so they'd committed to the traveling two, three times a week and are indeed getting player buy in but it's a big ask for a lot of these lads to sustain for any great length of time.

The county camogs with no executive in place are better run.

I don't know much about you or anyone else giving out about commitment levels asked of young lads, but unless you've tried it yourself then I suggest you wind it down giving out about this honour of playing for your county as honour doesn't pay your bills.

JC how is Ballykinlar viewed in the hurling community? If that is to be the home of our county teams is that not a lot of travelling for the players? Just on basis a lot of the players would be picked from across the lough - know the boat stops around 10:30 or so
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 29, 2022, 11:14:32 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 29, 2022, 10:41:39 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 08:40:03 AM
Quote from: sdg on March 28, 2022, 07:27:43 PM
How many players will hang about after the monaghan game? I think  a few boys will head for the USA

U20 game,  u can only beat what's in front of u, but fermanagh were very poor . Tyrone will tell us about this years team.

If they do not stay around for the Taitleann they should never get a jersey again. We are handing senior jerseys out like confetti the past few years and although we are quick to hit the county board. No one seems to question the players. The hurlers don't seem to have an issue with the county board.

How would you know?

FWIW we're now almost into April and still no sign of an U15 development squad for the hurlers and last years was a waste of time. Three outings I think they had all in.

Currently our U17 and U20 hurlers haven't a clue where they're training and parents last week only found out the evening before that the U17's were to train in Ballykinlar and the lights are nowhere near sufficient to play hurling under and one coach told me it was a waste of time going there.
The senior hurlers train are Ok as they agreed to train in the Dub all winter so the CB booked them in there, so they'd committed to the traveling two, three times a week and are indeed getting player buy in but it's a big ask for a lot of these lads to sustain for any great length of time.

The county camogs with no executive in place are better run.

I don't know much about you or anyone else giving out about commitment levels asked of young lads, but unless you've tried it yourself then I suggest you wind it down giving out about this honour of playing for your county as honour doesn't pay your bills.

JC how is Ballykinlar viewed in the hurling community? If that is to be the home of our county teams is that not a lot of travelling for the players? Just on basis a lot of the players would be picked from across the lough - know the boat stops around 10:30 or so


Are we going to get into another debate on the base for the county teams ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 29, 2022, 11:46:25 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 29, 2022, 11:14:32 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 29, 2022, 10:41:39 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 08:40:03 AM
Quote from: sdg on March 28, 2022, 07:27:43 PM
How many players will hang about after the monaghan game? I think  a few boys will head for the USA

U20 game,  u can only beat what's in front of u, but fermanagh were very poor . Tyrone will tell us about this years team.

If they do not stay around for the Taitleann they should never get a jersey again. We are handing senior jerseys out like confetti the past few years and although we are quick to hit the county board. No one seems to question the players. The hurlers don't seem to have an issue with the county board.

How would you know?

FWIW we're now almost into April and still no sign of an U15 development squad for the hurlers and last years was a waste of time. Three outings I think they had all in.

Currently our U17 and U20 hurlers haven't a clue where they're training and parents last week only found out the evening before that the U17's were to train in Ballykinlar and the lights are nowhere near sufficient to play hurling under and one coach told me it was a waste of time going there.
The senior hurlers train are Ok as they agreed to train in the Dub all winter so the CB booked them in there, so they'd committed to the traveling two, three times a week and are indeed getting player buy in but it's a big ask for a lot of these lads to sustain for any great length of time.

The county camogs with no executive in place are better run.

I don't know much about you or anyone else giving out about commitment levels asked of young lads, but unless you've tried it yourself then I suggest you wind it down giving out about this honour of playing for your county as honour doesn't pay your bills.

JC how is Ballykinlar viewed in the hurling community? If that is to be the home of our county teams is that not a lot of travelling for the players? Just on basis a lot of the players would be picked from across the lough - know the boat stops around 10:30 or so


Are we going to get into another debate on the base for the county teams ?

I'm not - all I'm wanting to know is the question I asked - Is it a crime to ask what hurlers think? They've spunked enough money about without changing location again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 29, 2022, 11:47:53 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 29, 2022, 11:14:32 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 29, 2022, 10:41:39 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 08:40:03 AM
Quote from: sdg on March 28, 2022, 07:27:43 PM
How many players will hang about after the monaghan game? I think  a few boys will head for the USA

U20 game,  u can only beat what's in front of u, but fermanagh were very poor . Tyrone will tell us about this years team.

If they do not stay around for the Taitleann they should never get a jersey again. We are handing senior jerseys out like confetti the past few years and although we are quick to hit the county board. No one seems to question the players. The hurlers don't seem to have an issue with the county board.

How would you know?

FWIW we're now almost into April and still no sign of an U15 development squad for the hurlers and last years was a waste of time. Three outings I think they had all in.

Currently our U17 and U20 hurlers haven't a clue where they're training and parents last week only found out the evening before that the U17's were to train in Ballykinlar and the lights are nowhere near sufficient to play hurling under and one coach told me it was a waste of time going there.
The senior hurlers train are Ok as they agreed to train in the Dub all winter so the CB booked them in there, so they'd committed to the traveling two, three times a week and are indeed getting player buy in but it's a big ask for a lot of these lads to sustain for any great length of time.

The county camogs with no executive in place are better run.

I don't know much about you or anyone else giving out about commitment levels asked of young lads, but unless you've tried it yourself then I suggest you wind it down giving out about this honour of playing for your county as honour doesn't pay your bills.

JC how is Ballykinlar viewed in the hurling community? If that is to be the home of our county teams is that not a lot of travelling for the players? Just on basis a lot of the players would be picked from across the lough - know the boat stops around 10:30 or so

If they're going to build a jetty, that would be great.  ;D

Tom Murray's uncle can pick players up on the St Brendan and take them direct to Portaferry, a bit much asking him to drop our lads off a Cloghey all the same.

Don't think anyone in the Ards has an issue with Ballykinlar as a location, it's 20,25 minutes from Strangford, not the greatest last few miles of road, but nothing else than that.

MOD looking shot of that land, might as well turn it into something positive for the Gaels of Down.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 11:50:37 AM
The roads can be improved going to Ballykinlar. I just wish the first sod was being turned on it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on March 29, 2022, 11:53:28 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 28, 2022, 09:21:37 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 28, 2022, 08:33:51 PM
Was there many of the Down players that started fri night v Fermanagh in the team that lost to Tyrone in the leo murphy?

Is Ryan Magill out injured? Anyone else due to come back in?

About 6 I think started on Friday night that also started v Tyrone in Leo Murphy.

Magill and McCusker were suspended for Fermanagh. Likely that they'll be back Saturday.

Don't think there's anyone else to come back and young Donegan was stretchered off he might be out Saturday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 12:37:35 PM
Looking at next weeks fixtures there is some great local matches which should start the season off well.

Bryansford welcome the all Ireland champions and will have to clap them onto the field . Does this be done in every game? Reports are that they are training well under Conor Deegan.


Division 3 will be extremely tight and the opening fixture between the Shamrocks and Drumgath could go a long way in determining who goes up.  I will take in the  Aughlisnafin and Bright game whcih should be a tasty affair. It will be good to see how Bright cope in this division but I am confident they can go well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 29, 2022, 08:19:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 12:37:35 PM
Looking at next weeks fixtures there is some great local matches which should start the season off well.

Bryansford welcome the all Ireland champions and will have to clap them onto the field . Does this be done in every game? Reports are that they are training well under Conor Deegan.


Division 3 will be extremely tight and the opening fixture between the Shamrocks and Drumgath could go a long way in determining who goes up.  I will take in the  Aughlisnafin and Bright game whcih should be a tasty affair. It will be good to see how Bright cope in this division but I am confident they can go well.
You'll get a look at Breanainn McComiskey then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on March 30, 2022, 09:13:47 AM
Is it time for a new County Board in Down? Both Derry and Louth have went down this road in recent years and it has clearly paid off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 30, 2022, 09:25:11 AM
And replace with who? If clubs want a new county board then nominate individuals in 8 months for the county convention. If clubs see these individuals fit then they will be elected. Clubs need to source candidates who are fit and willing to take on these jobs.
People do not want the hassle of them and the problem is in the county is that everyone is good at shouting but very few are willing to volunteer at both club and county. When you travel around clubs in the county, it is the same people doing the same tedious work, they do not do it for the glory. It's because no one else will do it.

Lloyd what people would you like to see on a new county board ?

I wonder who is on the podcast this week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on March 30, 2022, 10:08:29 AM
Was passing Zebedee's last night while out for an evening stroll, the window was open, I overheard that Kerr has left the Panel, any truth in the matter?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 30, 2022, 10:24:16 AM
Quote from: MATTSARACEN on March 30, 2022, 10:08:29 AM
Was passing Zebedee's last night while out for an evening stroll, the window was open, I overheard that Kerr has left the Panel, any truth in the matter?

Kerr heading to the states
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on March 30, 2022, 10:31:40 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 08:40:03 AM
Quote from: sdg on March 28, 2022, 07:27:43 PM
How many players will hang about after the monaghan game? I think  a few boys will head for the USA

U20 game,  u can only beat what's in front of u, but fermanagh were very poor . Tyrone will tell us about this years team.

If they do not stay around for the Taitleann they should never get a jersey again. We are handing senior jerseys out like confetti the past few years and although we are quick to hit the county board. No one seems to question the players. The hurlers don't seem to have an issue with the county board.

Does he never get a jersey again?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 30, 2022, 11:27:30 AM
Big blow for Burren, I presume he will miss the club sfc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 30, 2022, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 30, 2022, 11:27:30 AM
Big blow for Burren, I presume he will miss the club sfc.

A big blow but Burren have plenty of up and coming players from the successful underage teams to fill his place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on March 30, 2022, 03:56:27 PM
Is the match on Saturday available to watch online ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on March 30, 2022, 04:44:52 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 30, 2022, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 30, 2022, 11:27:30 AM
Big blow for Burren, I presume he will miss the club sfc.

A big blow but Burren have plenty of up and coming players from the successful underage teams to fill his place.

i would imagine he would be back for the business end of championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on March 30, 2022, 05:55:45 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on March 30, 2022, 03:56:27 PM
Is the match on Saturday available to watch online ?

Probably on Beosport (Ulster GAA streaming service).

There's a link to it on Ulster GAA site - UlsterGAA TV I think it's called on their home page.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 30, 2022, 09:12:33 PM
A big blow but Burren have plenty of up and coming players from the successful underage teams to fill his place.
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Aye they will fill his jersey but won't offer what Kerr offers in terms of pace and direct running at the opposition. I think we will see in the coming weeks and months a number of young lads heading away to play football or simply travel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on March 30, 2022, 09:27:22 PM
And why not? These young guys have had 2 years ripped from them due to Covid, play for their county and torn asunder on discussion boards like this. Go and enjoy yourselves boys and come back refreshed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 30, 2022, 09:49:49 PM
Id agree 100% Godsowen, you will see young lads from every county taking the chance to travel this year. Best of luck to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 30, 2022, 10:03:34 PM
I'd agree also.Passports at the ready and ✈️✈️✈️
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 30, 2022, 10:23:41 PM
Agree also. No point hanging around to play in the tailteann Cup. Come back next year and commit to football and see where it takes them. Only young once
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 31, 2022, 09:01:33 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 30, 2022, 10:23:41 PM
Agree also. No point hanging around to play in the tailteann Cup. Come back next year and commit to football and see where it takes them. Only young once

With apathy like this, it's no wonder we are stuck where we are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 31, 2022, 09:15:31 AM
Quote from: Godsown on March 30, 2022, 09:27:22 PM
And why not? These young guys have had 2 years ripped from them due to Covid, play for their county and torn asunder on discussion boards like this. Go and enjoy yourselves boys and come back refreshed
I hope some of the Div2 panellists clear off for the summer,we'll maybe get some easy league points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 31, 2022, 09:23:15 AM
Quote from: SamFever on March 31, 2022, 09:15:31 AM
Quote from: Godsown on March 30, 2022, 09:27:22 PM
And why not? These young guys have had 2 years ripped from them due to Covid, play for their county and torn asunder on discussion boards like this. Go and enjoy yourselves boys and come back refreshed
I hope some of the Div2 panellists clear off for the summer,we'll maybe get some easy league points.

I heard Saval have been going well in pre-season and beat some div 1 teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 31, 2022, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 31, 2022, 09:01:33 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 30, 2022, 10:23:41 PM
Agree also. No point hanging around to play in the tailteann Cup. Come back next year and commit to football and see where it takes them. Only young once

With apathy like this, it's no wonder we are stuck where we are.
Bar 2010 when they all got behind the management and put in performances and nearly won an all Ireland that word Apathy sums up Down football this last 20 odd years. I started following Down in the early 80s and we always had players that would compete with the best since the turn of the millenium we have been left behind by the bug counties and don't look like we are capable of trying to compete.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 31, 2022, 10:29:06 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 31, 2022, 09:23:15 AM
Quote from: SamFever on March 31, 2022, 09:15:31 AM
Quote from: Godsown on March 30, 2022, 09:27:22 PM
And why not? These young guys have had 2 years ripped from them due to Covid, play for their county and torn asunder on discussion boards like this. Go and enjoy yourselves boys and come back refreshed
I hope some of the Div2 panellists clear off for the summer,we'll maybe get some easy league points.

I heard Saval have been going well in pre-season and beat some div 1 teams.
Danny is winning matches but only pre-season so we'll see how our derby match with Glenn goes next Thurs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 31, 2022, 01:32:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 31, 2022, 10:29:06 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 31, 2022, 09:23:15 AM
Quote from: SamFever on March 31, 2022, 09:15:31 AM
Quote from: Godsown on March 30, 2022, 09:27:22 PM
And why not? These young guys have had 2 years ripped from them due to Covid, play for their county and torn asunder on discussion boards like this. Go and enjoy yourselves boys and come back refreshed
I hope some of the Div2 panellists clear off for the summer,we'll maybe get some easy league points.

I heard Saval have been going well in pre-season and beat some div 1 teams.
Danny is winning matches but only pre-season so we'll see how our derby match with Glenn goes next Thurs.

Will be tough but you have them at home. Did you beat Warrenpoint?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on March 31, 2022, 02:15:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 31, 2022, 01:32:07 PM
Quote from: SamFever on March 31, 2022, 10:29:06 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 31, 2022, 09:23:15 AM
Quote from: SamFever on March 31, 2022, 09:15:31 AM
Quote from: Godsown on March 30, 2022, 09:27:22 PM
And why not? These young guys have had 2 years ripped from them due to Covid, play for their county and torn asunder on discussion boards like this. Go and enjoy yourselves boys and come back refreshed
I hope some of the Div2 panellists clear off for the summer,we'll maybe get some easy league points.

I heard Saval have been going well in pre-season and beat some div 1 teams.
Danny is winning matches but only pre-season so we'll see how our derby match with Glenn goes next Thurs.

Will be tough but you have them at home. Did you beat Warrenpoint?
Wasn't there but McCartan and McParland will be bigger loss for them than Pat for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 31, 2022, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 30, 2022, 10:23:41 PM
Agree also. No point hanging around to play in the tailteann Cup. Come back next year and commit to football and see where it takes them. Only young once
Management should be looking at games in the first 4 or 5 fixtures to see players who could potentially step up if Down panellists disappear.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 31, 2022, 06:07:55 PM
Quote from: wobbller on March 31, 2022, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 30, 2022, 10:23:41 PM
Agree also. No point hanging around to play in the tailteann Cup. Come back next year and commit to football and see where it takes them. Only young once
Management should be looking at games in the first 4 or 5 fixtures to see players who could potentially step up if Down panellists disappear.

Yeah, just throw the towel in and slip away off back to your club or jet off to the States when you are really needed. Hasn't this snowflake mentality got us into the position we are currently in, when things get tough just walk away.

As for the 2022/23 management, after 5 years of underachievement and mediocrity with the Minors and relegation with the Seniors should Mc Cartan & crew even be back next year? Back to square one I know but I don't see any future in this current set up. A new man nearly always gets a bounce from the players in his first year, it has been totally the opposite here so why continue with it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 31, 2022, 07:47:26 PM
Quote from: Lotto on March 31, 2022, 06:07:55 PM
Quote from: wobbller on March 31, 2022, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 30, 2022, 10:23:41 PM
Agree also. No point hanging around to play in the tailteann Cup. Come back next year and commit to football and see where it takes them. Only young once
Management should be looking at games in the first 4 or 5 fixtures to see players who could potentially step up if Down panellists disappear.

Yeah, just throw the towel in and slip away off back to your club or jet off to the States when you are really needed. Hasn't this snowflake mentality got us into the position we are currently in, when things get tough just walk away.

As for the 2022/23 management, after 5 years of underachievement and mediocrity with the Minors and relegation with the Seniors should Mc Cartan & crew even be back next year? Back to square one I know but I don't see any future in this current set up. A new man nearly always gets a bounce from the players in his first year, it has been totally the opposite here so why continue with it?

No chance, after county season finishes a handshake and new management brought in and give them what they want. Need a Geezer type manager, someone who'll take no shite from players or County Board. Give whoever it is 4 or 5 years with a review at year 3 to see how it's going.

This chopping and changing will get us nowhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 31, 2022, 10:00:24 PM


No chance, after county season finishes a handshake and new management brought in and give them what they want. Need a Geezer type manager, someone who'll take no shite from players or County Board. Give whoever it is 4 or 5 years with a review at year 3 to see how it's going.

This chopping and changing will get us nowhere.
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Who are these people???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 31, 2022, 10:19:44 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 31, 2022, 07:47:26 PM
Quote from: Lotto on March 31, 2022, 06:07:55 PM
Quote from: wobbller on March 31, 2022, 05:44:21 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 30, 2022, 10:23:41 PM
Agree also. No point hanging around to play in the tailteann Cup. Come back next year and commit to football and see where it takes them. Only young once
Management should be looking at games in the first 4 or 5 fixtures to see players who could potentially step up if Down panellists disappear.

Yeah, just throw the towel in and slip away off back to your club or jet off to the States when you are really needed. Hasn't this snowflake mentality got us into the position we are currently in, when things get tough just walk away.

As for the 2022/23 management, after 5 years of underachievement and mediocrity with the Minors and relegation with the Seniors should Mc Cartan & crew even be back next year? Back to square one I know but I don't see any future in this current set up. A new man nearly always gets a bounce from the players in his first year, it has been totally the opposite here so why continue with it?

No chance, after county season finishes a handshake and new management brought in and give them what they want. Need a Geezer type manager, someone who'll take no shite from players or County Board. Give whoever it is 4 or 5 years with a review at year 3 to see how it's going.

This chopping and changing will get us nowhere.

Interesting choice.

A person much more cynical than me might observe that McGeeney's only achievement of note as a manager has been convincing people to keep him in post long enough for Riain O'Neill to come of age.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on March 31, 2022, 11:37:27 PM
 You're a few hours early for April fools wobbler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 01, 2022, 08:06:56 AM
I don't know why players committed to the league known they were going stateside in the summer

How can you build anything with that attitude?

Let the management know before a ball is kicked

A good run in the Tailten cup and start building now for next year.
If you are in great let's go and if not thanks for everything let's move on

The management need to be ruthless with older players also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 01, 2022, 10:18:34 AM
I hope the people of Saval nominate Danny Hughes for the county board.

Danny, Mark Doran, and John Fegan are the men that can change the fortunes of this county.

Danny for Chair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 01, 2022, 12:48:01 PM
I just had lunch in French's and was told by a leading figure in Down GAA that Burren has signed an Armagh player. He heard that at a county board meeting last evening in the Burrendale. Whitegoodman can fill us in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 2badteams on April 01, 2022, 12:56:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 01, 2022, 12:48:01 PM
I just had lunch in French's and was told by a leading figure in Down GAA that Burren has signed an Armagh player. He heard that at a county board meeting last evening in the Burrendale. Whitegoodman can fill us in.

Paddy Burns. Married and lives there. Old news
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 01, 2022, 01:25:29 PM
Quote from: 2badteams on April 01, 2022, 12:56:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 01, 2022, 12:48:01 PM
I just had lunch in French's and was told by a leading figure in Down GAA that Burren has signed an Armagh player. He heard that at a county board meeting last evening in the Burrendale. Whitegoodman can fill us in.

Paddy Burns. Married and lives there. Old news

Oh very good, he is a fine player. They will beat Kilcoo by hook or by crook.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 01, 2022, 03:43:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 01, 2022, 12:48:01 PM
I just had lunch in French's and was told by a leading figure in Down GAA that Burren has signed an Armagh player. He heard that at a county board meeting last evening in the Burrendale. Whitegoodman can fill us in.

How was the grub?
Their special is usually good.

Any prominent gaels about?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 01, 2022, 10:43:40 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 01, 2022, 12:48:01 PM
I just had lunch in French's and was told by a leading figure in Down GAA that Burren has signed an Armagh player. He heard that at a county board meeting last evening in the Burrendale. Whitegoodman can fill us in.

There transfer business ain't finished either. From what I hear they have another high profile transfer almost complete.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on April 02, 2022, 12:24:43 AM
Are tickets for U20 game against tyrone sold out? Tried the tickets site but none for sale.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on April 02, 2022, 08:03:09 AM
Season kicking off on Thursday. What's the lay of the land like in all the divisions? What or who are we looking for? Going to be a very good season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 02, 2022, 08:57:42 AM
Quote from: Last Caress on April 02, 2022, 12:24:43 AM
Are tickets for U20 game against tyrone sold out? Tried the tickets site but none for sale.
same, says ticket window is closed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 02, 2022, 09:12:30 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 02, 2022, 08:57:42 AM
Quote from: Last Caress on April 02, 2022, 12:24:43 AM
Are tickets for U20 game against tyrone sold out? Tried the tickets site but none for sale.
same, says ticket window is closed.
Is it in Garvaghy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 02, 2022, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 02, 2022, 09:12:30 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 02, 2022, 08:57:42 AM
Quote from: Last Caress on April 02, 2022, 12:24:43 AM
Are tickets for U20 game against tyrone sold out? Tried the tickets site but none for sale.
same, says ticket window is closed.
Is it in Garvaghy?
Loughmacrory
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 02, 2022, 11:46:12 AM
Good luck to our U20 footballers this afternoon and the senior hurlers in the league final in thurles. Could be a great day for Down Gaa.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 02, 2022, 12:38:06 PM
Minors beat 2-14 to 0.8 in Garvaghey
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 02, 2022, 02:27:19 PM
U20s also beat 1.13 to 1.08 at Loughmacrory this time.

Over to the hurlers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 02, 2022, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 02, 2022, 02:27:19 PM
U20s also beat 1.13 to 1.08 at Loughmacrory this time.

Over to the hurlers.
Wasn't a bad performance. Just a few handling errors and misplaced passes cost them in the end. Tyrone definitely the more clinical side and they pushed on with the help of the breeze in the 2nd half. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 02, 2022, 03:01:00 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 02, 2022, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 02, 2022, 02:27:19 PM
U20s also beat 1.13 to 1.08 at Loughmacrory this time.

Over to the hurlers.
Wasn't a bad performance. Just a few handling errors and misplaced passes cost them in the end. Tyrone definitely the more clinical side and they pushed on with the help of the breeze in the 2nd half.

Wasn't a bad performance - are you serious? We scored a grand total of 3 points from the 26th minute of the first half until the end of the game. I said on this board a while ago - we won an Ulster u20 championship last year by playing one of the big guns in Ulster (Monaghan) who were in emotional turmoil after losing a teammate. We then played a real team and were knocked out.
This year we play a traditional Ulster powerhouse and - gone. Can we now please move on from this super duper unbelievable management team to realise they got so bloody lucky last year. They are no where near the level we require for our senior post when it becomes available.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on April 02, 2022, 03:50:47 PM
Is the hurling game on live anywhere?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on April 02, 2022, 03:52:50 PM
It might be on tg4 online I think.  I saw an advert for it saying tg4 but the football is on tv.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 02, 2022, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 02, 2022, 03:01:00 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 02, 2022, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 02, 2022, 02:27:19 PM
U20s also beat 1.13 to 1.08 at Loughmacrory this time.

Over to the hurlers.
Wasn't a bad performance. Just a few handling errors and misplaced passes cost them in the end. Tyrone definitely the more clinical side and they pushed on with the help of the breeze in the 2nd half.

Wasn't a bad performance - are you serious? We scored a grand total of 3 points from the 26th minute of the first half until the end of the game. I said on this board a while ago - we won an Ulster u20 championship last year by playing one of the big guns in Ulster (Monaghan) who were in emotional turmoil after losing a teammate. We then played a real team and were knocked out.
This year we play a traditional Ulster powerhouse and - gone. Can we now please move on from this super duper unbelievable management team to realise they got so bloody lucky last year. They are no where near the level we require for our senior post when it becomes available.

JB who would your pick for the top job be? Or would you wait and see how the club championship went to see who's up too it? I know there'll be a clamour for some for Jimmy McGuinness but I think time has passed him by and his style of play is out of date
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on April 02, 2022, 04:22:42 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 02, 2022, 03:52:50 PM
It might be on tg4 online I think.  I saw an advert for it saying tg4 but the football is on tv.
TG4 YouTube according to ScoreBeo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 02, 2022, 05:11:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 02, 2022, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 02, 2022, 03:01:00 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 02, 2022, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 02, 2022, 02:27:19 PM
U20s also beat 1.13 to 1.08 at Loughmacrory this time.

Over to the hurlers.
Wasn't a bad performance. Just a few handling errors and misplaced passes cost them in the end. Tyrone definitely the more clinical side and they pushed on with the help of the breeze in the 2nd half.

Wasn't a bad performance - are you serious? We scored a grand total of 3 points from the 26th minute of the first half until the end of the game. I said on this board a while ago - we won an Ulster u20 championship last year by playing one of the big guns in Ulster (Monaghan) who were in emotional turmoil after losing a teammate. We then played a real team and were knocked out.
This year we play a traditional Ulster powerhouse and - gone. Can we now please move on from this super duper unbelievable management team to realise they got so bloody lucky last year. They are no where near the level we require for our senior post when it becomes available.

JB who would your pick for the top job be? Or would you wait and see how the club championship went to see who's up too it? I know there'll be a clamour for some for Jimmy McGuinness but I think time has passed him by and his style of play is out of date
If Down seniors had any style of play it would be a start. .

U20s I didnt see it but I belive from those that were at it the 2nd half Down were very poor.  I can't recall the last time a Down underage team beat Tyrone.  They are miles ahead of Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 02, 2022, 05:48:30 PM
Down U20s played well for first 20 mins but as soon as Tyrone got back level and went ahead at start of 2nd half Down had no answer. Kick outs were major problem, every kick out was on top of Oran Murdock, if he didn't win it we had no other plan. None of the subs made much difference and in reality Down were beat half way through the 2nd half.

Apart from Murdock, who Tyrone eventually got on top off, there wasn't many others who you'd say are ready for the call up to the seniors
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 02, 2022, 07:31:18 PM
Down 20s today were poor. Got a big lead at the start and after that were clueless.
Once Tyrone got going they looked very good
2 points in the last 50 minutes of football
Blame James
Blame Laverty
Have we got it?
A bad month for Down football
Seniors hammered
20s beat well
17s hammered

What is happening to the 17s ?
Who is over them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on April 02, 2022, 07:35:23 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 02, 2022, 07:31:18 PM
Down 20s today were poor. Got a big lead at the start and after that were clueless.
Once Tyrone got going they looked very good
2 points in the last 50 minutes of football
Blame James
Blame Laverty
Have we got it?
A bad month for Down football
Seniors hammered
20s beat well
17s hammered

What is happening to the 17s ?
Who is over them

Think Cunningham from Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 02, 2022, 07:50:24 PM
As bad as the 20s were today what is going on with the 17s
We are at the minute a laughing stock
Laverty looked lost today
Monaghan looked lost when he was over them
We looked lost against Roscommon in the semi final

The 20s had a dream route last year
Fermanagh
Cavan
Monaghan

No Donegal
No Tyrone
No Derry
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 02, 2022, 08:20:10 PM
On another note, what was craic with match being in loughmacrory, talk about the middle of nowhere, definitely not easiest to get to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 02, 2022, 09:07:24 PM
Quite a lot of that panel are available again next year.  Laverty will stick around for mother year and rightly so.

Magill and McCarthy have been added to the senior panel apparently
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redzone on April 02, 2022, 10:23:03 PM
I was disappointed with Lavertys tactics. Just a copy of kilcoo. He seems to have made a name for himself coaching thou
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 02, 2022, 10:35:36 PM


JB who would your pick for the top job be? Or would you wait and see how the club championship went to see who's up too it? I know there'll be a clamour for some for Jimmy McGuinness but I think time has passed him by and his style of play is out of date
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I would leave wee James in the hot seat for another three years at least and change those around him. Bring in a coach that does both defensive and offensive work with the players - not just one facet.
As the club season is upon us again I'm sick to the teeth already of hearing about structures this and structures that and systems this and systems that. I think it's a great place to hide behind. Our structures are poor so our senior team is poor - load of bollox..
Surely Jim Gavin's mantra was best - create an environment where players can flourish rather than making them robots.. I feel that is what Kilcoo have done best with what they have. Small, robust, competitive players all over the pitch who create opportunities for their talented forwards to score. It wasn't just Micky Moran who got the best out of them - McIlver, McCorry, Seàn Michael Devlin, paddy Murray, mark Copeland, decky Morgan all had a part in this group getting to the top of the game. They all had pretty much the same group of players to work with and added one or two each year maybe but the same freedom to play has existed. Systems my ass. Play to ur potential and get the most from your marquee players..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 03, 2022, 08:20:15 AM
Quote from: redzone on April 02, 2022, 10:23:03 PM
I was disappointed with Lavertys tactics. Just a copy of kilcoo. He seems to have made a name for himself coaching thou
Just a copy of Kilcoo the All Ireland champions and serial winners. How dare he try such a thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 03, 2022, 09:59:53 AM
Disappointing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on April 03, 2022, 07:37:14 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 02, 2022, 10:35:36 PM


JB who would your pick for the top job be? Or would you wait and see how the club championship went to see who's up too it? I know there'll be a clamour for some for Jimmy McGuinness but I think time has passed him by and his style of play is out of date

I would leave wee James in the hot seat for another three years at least and change those around him. Bring in a coach that does both defensive and offensive work with the players - not just one facet.
As the club season is upon us again I'm sick to the teeth already of hearing about structures this and structures that and systems this and systems that. I think it's a great place to hide behind. Our structures are poor so our senior team is poor - load of bollox..
Surely Jim Gavin's mantra was best - create an environment where players can flourish rather than making them robots.. I feel that is what Kilcoo have done best with what they have. Small, robust, competitive players all over the pitch who create opportunities for their talented forwards to score. It wasn't just Micky Moran who got the best out of them - McIlver, McCorry, Seàn Michael Devlin, paddy Murray, mark Copeland, decky Morgan all had a part in this group getting to the top of the game. They all had pretty much the same group of players to work with and added one or two each year maybe but the same freedom to play has existed. Systems my ass. Play to ur potential and get the most from your marquee players..
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I completely agree. Happy players are productive players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on April 03, 2022, 08:18:54 PM
So leave a serial loser and underchiever in place with the seniors just because of his name as a footballer?

Such talk about this wonderful coach coming out of Kilcoo but he was found out yesterday, he doesn't seem to be the great white hope everyone thought he was. The 20's had an easy run last year with exceptional footballers, this year with an average team which would really test the coaches quality, well then the performance yesterday from his team spoke for itself. Seriously overrated.

Our U.17's, embarassing!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 03, 2022, 08:30:58 PM
Who would you like in charge ?

Minors are embarrassing tbf
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on April 03, 2022, 09:14:02 PM
Quote from: Lotto on April 03, 2022, 08:18:54 PM
So leave a serial loser and underchiever in place with the seniors just because of his name as a footballer?

Such talk about this wonderful coach coming out of Kilcoo but he was found out yesterday, he doesn't seem to be the great white hope everyone thought he was. The 20's had an easy run last year with exceptional footballers, this year with an average team which would really test the coaches quality, well then the performance yesterday from his team spoke for itself. Seriously overrated.

Our U.17's, embarassing!

Maybe the players aren't there or good enough?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 04, 2022, 08:52:42 AM
can anyone tell me why the games were changed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on April 04, 2022, 09:18:17 AM
Down under 20s were put out so no need for Friday nights to be freed up anymore
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 04, 2022, 09:22:26 AM
but surely if games were planned for Thursday, just leave them there.

Thought we were outfoxed on Saturday when the grips were put on Murdock. Savage and Crimmins look to be good prospects
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 04, 2022, 10:12:46 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 04, 2022, 09:22:26 AM
but surely if games were planned for Thursday, just leave them there.

Thought we were outfoxed on Saturday when the grips were put on Murdock. Savage and Crimmins look to be good prospects

Leave them there is right. Clubs have made plans around getting players home for games and work sorted etc but county board wouldn't think of that sorta stuff.
Savage is a serious prospect - not sure about Crimmins yet tbh. Flatters to deceive imo..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 04, 2022, 10:22:35 AM
I'd guess the number of players inconvenienced by playing Friday night instead of Thursday, could be counted on one hand.

Some of the managers might of course find themselves incensed that they've had to rebuild their meticulous programmes so that players are delivered to perfection on Friday evening instead. I've two words for that though: f**k em
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 04, 2022, 10:43:05 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 04, 2022, 10:22:35 AM
I'd guess the number of players inconvenienced by playing Friday night instead of Thursday, could be counted on one hand.

Some of the managers might of course find themselves incensed that they've had to rebuild their meticulous programmes so that players are delivered to perfection on Friday evening instead. I've two words for that though: f**k em

That's a typical county board answer. So f~~k players who have made work plans with families, weddings , christenings etc etc 5 days before a league and things get changed, its stupid to think that clubs can just change their senior league opener so close to the throw in. Surely you understand there is a bit of logistics in organising a senior game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 04, 2022, 10:52:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 04, 2022, 10:43:05 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 04, 2022, 10:22:35 AM
I'd guess the number of players inconvenienced by playing Friday night instead of Thursday, could be counted on one hand.

Some of the managers might of course find themselves incensed that they've had to rebuild their meticulous programmes so that players are delivered to perfection on Friday evening instead. I've two words for that though: f**k em

That's a typical county board answer. So f~~k players who have made work plans with families, weddings , christenings etc etc 5 days before a league and things get changed, its stupid to think that clubs can just change their senior league opener so close to the throw in. Surely you understand there is a bit of logistics in organising a senior game

You didn't read what I wrote. I said "f**k the managers" and the reason for that is same fellas would have, after losing on Thursday night, complained about players being missing due to county board ineptitude.

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Had the county board moved the scheduled fixture list away from their usual slot, to a less convenient date and time, then I'd agree with you.

But what's happened here is the opposite. They've moved a round of fixtures into the usual slot, the most convenient one of the week for footballers.

As I said, I guarantee you can count one one hand the number of players across all 4 divisions who are inconvenienced by this change. What I didn't say, and I possibly should have, is that this is then balanced against the dozens, maybe even hundreds, of players whose week is made easier by a return to their usual Friday night slot.

——

Weddings, christenings etc? You're mad as a box of frogs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 04, 2022, 12:03:33 PM
A number of games are still to be played on Thursday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 04, 2022, 12:20:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 04, 2022, 10:52:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 04, 2022, 10:43:05 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 04, 2022, 10:22:35 AM
I'd guess the number of players inconvenienced by playing Friday night instead of Thursday, could be counted on one hand.

Some of the managers might of course find themselves incensed that they've had to rebuild their meticulous programmes so that players are delivered to perfection on Friday evening instead. I've two words for that though: f**k em

That's a typical county board answer. So f~~k players who have made work plans with families, weddings , christenings etc etc 5 days before a league and things get changed, its stupid to think that clubs can just change their senior league opener so close to the throw in. Surely you understand there is a bit of logistics in organising a senior game

You didn't read what I wrote. I said "f**k the managers" and the reason for that is same fellas would have, after losing on Thursday night, complained about players being missing due to county board ineptitude.

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Had the county board moved the scheduled fixture list away from their usual slot, to a less convenient date and time, then I'd agree with you.

But what's happened here is the opposite. They've moved a round of fixtures into the usual slot, the most convenient one of the week for footballers.

As I said, I guarantee you can count one one hand the number of players across all 4 divisions who are inconvenienced by this change. What I didn't say, and I possibly should have, is that this is then balanced against the dozens, maybe even hundreds, of players whose week is made easier by a return to their usual Friday night slot.

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Weddings, christenings etc? You're mad as a box of frogs.

No when you said feck the managers you are also saying feck the players . Players have lives out of football. I am sure every team had a  plan over the last few months.  players wives and girlfiends would have been eyeing the friday night up as a night off and a chance to get away
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BigRipper89 on April 04, 2022, 12:43:44 PM
Down Seniors embarrassing, Under 20's embarrassing, Under 17 embarrassing, laverty no good, James a serial loser etc etc.......

I assume everyone making these comments are down at their clubs all week nights and weekend, ensuring a top of the range development plan is being carried out to ensure the demise of down football is put to a halt. 5/6 nights a week coaching, trying to do something about it; applying for county board roles. Im sure the people making the comments are at every Down game they are commenting on and watching the effort lads are putting into it (never mind the time and effort during the week). About 100 people at the last Down game of the NFL, people only want involved when its going well. Some people coudlnt even give up a hour on a sunny Sunday to watch the team but the management and team give up 2/3 hours for 5 nights a week (every week from December). Wonder would anyone actually try and help instead of hiding behind a keyboard and calling everyone useless.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 04, 2022, 01:30:46 PM
Its a discussion board where people are entitled to give their opinion on all matters regarding Down GAA, the reality is our county's football teams are as bad as they've been for years, last year's u20's showed some promise but fell short when it counted, not too much to be positive about whether you like it or not!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on April 04, 2022, 06:03:48 PM
The notice is short. Underage coaching on pitch needs swapped around etc. That a-side; we get notification the game is Friday. Lads who work shifts change their shifts. We then get word on Sunday night that we're back to Thursday night without being consulted. Lads now wondering wtf is going on. I'm assuming the team we're playing complained about having to play Friday. Bit of a mess!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 04, 2022, 06:15:11 PM
When it was so close to the games - why didn't they just leave it alone. These sort of things make people question the county board. I think U'll find there are more than a handful of players affected by changing nights. Shift work, players in London working, players in Manchester/Liverpool at uni and then as someone else mentioned - underage coaching organised by the club where other parents put their life on hold to ensure their wee boy/girl gets to the sessions on the night they were informed off weeks ago. I know in our club and in Mayobridge/Burren/Ballymartin they do up pitch schedules and stick to them to accommodate all members of their club. Leave it as it was and no one even mentions it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on April 04, 2022, 09:26:45 PM
Are county players allowed to play on Friday night ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 04, 2022, 10:04:52 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 04, 2022, 09:26:45 PM
Are county players allowed to play on Friday night ?

First two games are starred as far as I know
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 04, 2022, 10:21:02 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on April 04, 2022, 09:26:45 PM
Are county players allowed to play on Friday night ?
No
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 04, 2022, 11:27:25 PM
The starred system is gone

Down players are County players until the season is over

The split season means they will only getting playing for clubs as soon as Down exit the TC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 05, 2022, 08:15:18 AM
County Board should send out a list of those that are on the various panels and are excluded from League matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 05, 2022, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 04, 2022, 06:15:11 PM
When it was so close to the games - why didn't they just leave it alone. These sort of things make people question the county board. I think U'll find there are more than a handful of players affected by changing nights. Shift work, players in London working, players in Manchester/Liverpool at uni and then as someone else mentioned - underage coaching organised by the club where other parents put their life on hold to ensure their wee boy/girl gets to the sessions on the night they were informed off weeks ago. I know in our club and in Mayobridge/Burren/Ballymartin they do up pitch schedules and stick to them to accommodate all members of their club. Leave it as it was and no one even mentions it.

But do the point not own st Marks school?

Heard from a reliable source that a few players joined the panel, grabbed the gear and left the squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 05, 2022, 12:58:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 05, 2022, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 04, 2022, 06:15:11 PM
When it was so close to the games - why didn't they just leave it alone. These sort of things make people question the county board. I think U'll find there are more than a handful of players affected by changing nights. Shift work, players in London working, players in Manchester/Liverpool at uni and then as someone else mentioned - underage coaching organised by the club where other parents put their life on hold to ensure their wee boy/girl gets to the sessions on the night they were informed off weeks ago. I know in our club and in Mayobridge/Burren/Ballymartin they do up pitch schedules and stick to them to accommodate all members of their club. Leave it as it was and no one even mentions it.

But do the point not own st Marks school?

Heard from a reliable source that a few players joined the panel, grabbed the gear and left the squad.
A big allegation there--who were they?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 05, 2022, 01:27:22 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 05, 2022, 12:58:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 05, 2022, 12:42:05 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 04, 2022, 06:15:11 PM
When it was so close to the games - why didn't they just leave it alone. These sort of things make people question the county board. I think U'll find there are more than a handful of players affected by changing nights. Shift work, players in London working, players in Manchester/Liverpool at uni and then as someone else mentioned - underage coaching organised by the club where other parents put their life on hold to ensure their wee boy/girl gets to the sessions on the night they were informed off weeks ago. I know in our club and in Mayobridge/Burren/Ballymartin they do up pitch schedules and stick to them to accommodate all members of their club. Leave it as it was and no one even mentions it.

But do the point not own st Marks school?

Heard from a reliable source that a few players joined the panel, grabbed the gear and left the squad.
A big allegation there--who were they?

Hardly a secret now, and would not name any names on his.

I am really looking forward to the weekends games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 05, 2022, 06:37:58 PM


But do the point not own st Marks school?

Heard from a reliable source that a few players joined the panel, grabbed the gear and left the squad.
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We do. But field u6,8,10,13,15,17,19, reserve, premier reserve,  senior in mens
U10,12,14,16,18,senior in ladies
U13,15,17,senior hurling
U10,12,14 camogie

That takes Moygannon, skip site and St marks to hold.

Any other craic???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 05, 2022, 06:58:11 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 05, 2022, 06:37:58 PM


But do the point not own st Marks school?

Heard from a reliable source that a few players joined the panel, grabbed the gear and left the squad.

We do. But field u6,8,10,13,15,17,19, reserve, premier reserve,  senior in mens
U10,12,14,16,18,senior in ladies
U13,15,17,senior hurling
U10,12,14 camogie

That takes Moygannon, skip site and St marks to hold.

Any other craic???
[/quote]

Ah but have you had lunch with any prominent county board officials who could fill you in with the goings on (real or not)?

Our man from Ballykinlar (or not) moves in those lofty circles.

Dismiss him at your peril (or maybe go ahead)!!!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on April 05, 2022, 10:15:29 PM
Posters here need to cop on a bit...once again nothing but drivel.

Fair warning - this thread is close to being locked. 

Not being fully informed on fringe players on club teams, let alone county senior and underage squads, makes it tough to decide on genuine speculation and complete BS.  So I'm asking all to cut it out completely. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 06, 2022, 08:12:32 AM
Ok enough of the aul nonsense talk, there are some decent looking fixtures this Thursday/Friday night. Anyone care to throw out a few early predictions of how they might go?

Div 1
CLONDUFF GAC   vs   BURREN GAC   
BRYANSFORD   vs   KILCOO   
CASTLEWELLAN   vs   LOUGHINISLAND   
MAYOBRIDGE   vs   CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA
RGU DOWNPATRICK   vs   CARRYDUFF   
ROSTREVOR   vs   BALLYHOLLAND

Div 2
DARRAGH CROSS   vs   BREDAGH   
ST JOHN'S DRUMNAQUOILE   vs   SABHAILL NAOMH PÁDRAIG
ANNACLONE   vs   LIATROIM   
LONGSTONE   vs   AN RIOCHT
SAVAL   vs   GLENN JOHN MARTINS GFC

Div 3
DROMARA   vs   CLANN NA BANNA
AUGHLISNAFIN   vs   BRIGHT
ST JOHN BOSCO GAC   vs   TULLYLISH
TECONNAUGHT   vs   ST PAUL'S
NEWRY SHAMROCKS   vs   DRUMGATH
BALLYMARTIN   vs   ATTICALL

Div 4a
DUNDRUM GAC   vs   EAST BELFAST   
KILCLIEF BEN DEARG GAC   vs   ST COLMAN'S DRUMANESS

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 06, 2022, 08:43:27 AM
Div 1
CLONDUFF GAC   vs   BURREN GAC   
BRYANSFORD   vs   KILCOO   
CASTLEWELLAN   vs  LOUGHINISLAND  
MAYOBRIDGE   vs   CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA
RGU DOWNPATRICK   vs   CARRYDUFF   
ROSTREVOR   vs   BALLYHOLLAND

Div 2
DARRAGH CROSS   vs   BREDAGH   
ST JOHN'S DRUMNAQUOILE   vs   SABHAILL NAOMH PÁDRAIG
ANNACLONE   vs   LIATROIM   
LONGSTONE   vs   AN RIOCHT
SAVAL   vs   GLENN JOHN MARTINS GFC

Div 3
DROMARA   vs   CLANN NA BANNA
AUGHLISNAFIN   vs   BRIGHT
ST JOHN BOSCO GAC   vs   TULLYLISH
TECONNAUGHT   vs  ST PAUL'S
NEWRY SHAMROCKS   vs   DRUMGATH
BALLYMARTIN   vs  ATTICALL

Div 4a
DUNDRUM GAC   vs   EAST BELFAST 
KILCLIEF BEN DEARG GAC   vs   ST COLMAN'S DRUMANESS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 06, 2022, 08:57:48 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on April 06, 2022, 08:12:32 AM
Ok enough of the aul nonsense talk, there are some decent looking fixtures this Thursday/Friday night. Anyone care to throw out a few early predictions of how they might go?

Div 1
CLONDUFF GAC   vs   BURREN GAC   
BRYANSFORD   vs   KILCOO   
CASTLEWELLAN   vs   LOUGHINISLAND   
MAYOBRIDGE   vs   CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA
RGU DOWNPATRICK   vs   CARRYDUFF   
ROSTREVOR   vs   BALLYHOLLAND

Div 2
DARRAGH CROSS   vs   BREDAGH   
ST JOHN'S DRUMNAQUOILE   vs   SABHAILL NAOMH PÁDRAIG
ANNACLONE   vs   LIATROIM   
LONGSTONE   vs   AN RIOCHT
SAVAL   vs   GLENN JOHN MARTINS GFC

Div 3
DROMARA   vs   CLANN NA BANNA
AUGHLISNAFIN   vs   BRIGHT
ST JOHN BOSCO GAC   vs   TULLYLISH
TECONNAUGHT   vs   ST PAUL'S
NEWRY SHAMROCKS   vs   DRUMGATH
BALLYMARTIN   vs   ATTICALL

Div 4a
DUNDRUM GAC   vs   EAST BELFAST   
KILCLIEF BEN DEARG GAC   vs   ST COLMAN'S DRUMANESS
What about a prediction competition for Div1 and Div2 each week? 2 points for a Draw and 1 point for a win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 06, 2022, 09:43:41 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 06, 2022, 08:57:48 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on April 06, 2022, 08:12:32 AM
Ok enough of the aul nonsense talk, there are some decent looking fixtures this Thursday/Friday night. Anyone care to throw out a few early predictions of how they might go?

Div 1
CLONDUFF GAC   vs   BURREN GAC   
BRYANSFORD   vs   KILCOO   
CASTLEWELLAN   vs   LOUGHINISLAND   
MAYOBRIDGE   vs   CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA
RGU DOWNPATRICK   vs   CARRYDUFF   
ROSTREVOR   vs   BALLYHOLLAND

Div 2
DARRAGH CROSS   vs   BREDAGH   
ST JOHN'S DRUMNAQUOILE   vs   SABHAILL NAOMH PÁDRAIG
ANNACLONE   vs   LIATROIM   
LONGSTONE   vs   AN RIOCHT
SAVAL   vs   GLENN JOHN MARTINS GFC

Div 3
DROMARA   vs   CLANN NA BANNA
AUGHLISNAFIN   vs   BRIGHT
ST JOHN BOSCO GAC   vs   TULLYLISH
TECONNAUGHT   vs   ST PAUL'S
NEWRY SHAMROCKS   vs   DRUMGATH
BALLYMARTIN   vs   ATTICALL

Div 4a
DUNDRUM GAC   vs   EAST BELFAST   
KILCLIEF BEN DEARG GAC   vs   ST COLMAN'S DRUMANESS
What about a prediction competition for Div1 and Div2 each week? 2 points for a Draw and 1 point for a win.

Aye sounds good, you can tally up the scores for us each week!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 06, 2022, 09:49:37 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on April 06, 2022, 09:43:41 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 06, 2022, 08:57:48 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on April 06, 2022, 08:12:32 AM
Ok enough of the aul nonsense talk, there are some decent looking fixtures this Thursday/Friday night. Anyone care to throw out a few early predictions of how they might go?

Div 1
CLONDUFF GAC   vs   BURREN GAC   
BRYANSFORD   vs   KILCOO   
CASTLEWELLAN   vs   LOUGHINISLAND   
MAYOBRIDGE   vs   CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA
RGU DOWNPATRICK   vs   CARRYDUFF   
ROSTREVOR   vs   BALLYHOLLAND

Div 2
DARRAGH CROSS   vs   BREDAGH   
ST JOHN'S DRUMNAQUOILE   vs   SABHAILL NAOMH PÁDRAIG
ANNACLONE   vs   LIATROIM   
LONGSTONE   vs   AN RIOCHT
SAVAL   vs   GLENN JOHN MARTINS GFC

Div 3
DROMARA   vs   CLANN NA BANNA
AUGHLISNAFIN   vs   BRIGHT
ST JOHN BOSCO GAC   vs   TULLYLISH
TECONNAUGHT   vs   ST PAUL'S
NEWRY SHAMROCKS   vs   DRUMGATH
BALLYMARTIN   vs   ATTICALL

Div 4a
DUNDRUM GAC   vs   EAST BELFAST   
KILCLIEF BEN DEARG GAC   vs   ST COLMAN'S DRUMANESS
What about a prediction competition for Div1 and Div2 each week? 2 points for a Draw and 1 point for a win.

Aye sounds good, you can tally up the scores for us each week!
Someone could maybe do Div's 3&4?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 06, 2022, 09:52:40 AM
Don't do it lads - It's a balls once 20-30 start putting predictions in.. You'll be wishing you never came up with the idea lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 06, 2022, 10:08:29 AM
Or start a new thread at the very least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on April 06, 2022, 10:30:47 AM
What way does playing in America work these days?
I believe a few of the down lads have left the panel to play in America because if they play club or county championship over here they can't play it over there.
But can they play this years club championship over here when they get back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 06, 2022, 04:56:02 PM
Cummann na bunscoil finals in Parnell Park today and they seem to be getting great coverage. I have not heard of any Primary schools football yet but wouldn't be great to get all finals in Pairc Esler when they are on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on April 06, 2022, 09:14:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 06, 2022, 04:56:02 PM
Cummann na bunscoil finals in Parnell Park today and they seem to be getting great coverage. I have not heard of any Primary schools football yet but wouldn't be great to get all finals in Pairc Esler when they are on.

Primary school games have only got the green light to go ahead recently after a 2 year absence due to the pandemic and a condensed format is starting after Easter.

As for Primary Schools Finals being played on Pairc Esler, various finals have been played at the venue for the last 15 years or more when it has been available.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 07, 2022, 08:48:52 AM
Good luck to all teams tonight, the first meaningful league since 2019, It should be good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 07, 2022, 10:27:52 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 07, 2022, 08:48:52 AM
Good luck to all teams tonight, the first meaningful league since 2019, It should be good.

Last year was very meaningful for a number of teams who gained promotion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 07, 2022, 11:22:10 AM
Early part of the league will be without county lads.

Any players to watch out for who could maybe put their hand up for future inclusion?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 07, 2022, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 07, 2022, 11:22:10 AM
Early part of the league will be without county lads.

Any players to watch out for who could maybe put their hand up for future inclusion?

I think Downpatrick could be worth watching early on and have some strong young players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 07, 2022, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 07, 2022, 11:22:10 AM
Early part of the league will be without county lads.

Any players to watch out for who could maybe put their hand up for future inclusion?
It could be more than the early part.Depends when the TC is on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 07, 2022, 03:33:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 07, 2022, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 07, 2022, 11:22:10 AM
Early part of the league will be without county lads.

Any players to watch out for who could maybe put their hand up for future inclusion?

I think Downpatrick could be worth watching early on and have some strong young players

Who? Let's get a sensible discussion going here?

Which players will step up in the absence of the county players right across the leagues?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 08, 2022, 09:22:50 AM
I never got to any matches last night as I got held up after work. I heard the Fin v Bright was a fantastic game and I am raging I missed it. Any reports from any of the matches? Heavy losses for the big two Castlewellan and Bryansford in division 1. East Belfast lay down a marker in Dundrum, what a story they are. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 08, 2022, 09:35:05 AM
Was a bit of a trimming the point got from Mayobridge.. what happened there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on April 08, 2022, 10:48:23 AM
They've both been moving in opposite directions since last year in terms of results so I'm not really surprised. Too early to say the impact Bridges new management team have had but quite possibly they are making an impact already.
No AI hangover for Kilcoo, still the team to beat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 08, 2022, 10:53:04 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 07, 2022, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 07, 2022, 11:22:10 AM
Early part of the league will be without county lads.

Any players to watch out for who could maybe put their hand up for future inclusion?

I think Downpatrick could be worth watching early on and have some strong young players
Will you go to the RGU game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 08, 2022, 10:53:08 AM
We were missing quite a few but looked as if Mayobridge were also
We have definitely not kicked on since McAleenan has left us
Some spark missing from the set up
But we will be in the hunt in the business end when we get our players back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 08, 2022, 11:05:31 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on April 08, 2022, 10:48:23 AM
They've both been moving in opposite directions since last year in terms of results so I'm not really surprised. Too early to say the impact Bridges new management team have had but quite possibly they are making an impact already.
No AI hangover for Kilcoo, still the team to beat.


Did Kilcoo have many of their all Ireland winning team on? That was a hammering.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on April 08, 2022, 11:28:47 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 08, 2022, 10:53:08 AM
We were missing quite a few but looked as if Mayobridge were also
We have definitely not kicked on since McAleenan has left us
Some spark missing from the set up
But we will be in the hunt in the business end when we get our players back
A lot of the point's  stronger more experienced lads were missing but some of the players last night looked like they had no appetite or interest for the game when it was a chance to impress the new management team. Some of them IMO just aren't up to division one standard. Mc Aleenan moving on has definitely left a void that hasn't been filled.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 08, 2022, 12:02:13 PM
lads unfortunately it's the league and no team will have a full deck until  August. Stop crying and get on with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 08, 2022, 12:44:54 PM
Quote from: elk on April 08, 2022, 11:28:47 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 08, 2022, 10:53:08 AM
We were missing quite a few but looked as if Mayobridge were also
We have definitely not kicked on since McAleenan has left us
Some spark missing from the set up
But we will be in the hunt in the business end when we get our players back
A lot of the point's  stronger more experienced lads were missing but some of the players last night looked like they had no appetite or interest for the game when it was a chance to impress the new management team. Some of them IMO just aren't up to division one standard. Mc Aleenan moving on has definitely left a void that hasn't been filled.
the new management team? This is their 2nd season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on April 08, 2022, 01:30:57 PM
I know its just week 1 but The Bridge totally outclassed the Point last night.  Tactical battle easily won by Poucher and Clarke.  The Ford and Town could easily find themselves in Div 2 next season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 08, 2022, 01:54:32 PM
Quote from: urbangael on April 08, 2022, 01:30:57 PM
I know its just week 1 but The Bridge totally outclassed the Point last night.  Tactical battle easily won by Poucher and Clarke.  The Ford and Town could easily find themselves in Div 2 next season.

I think that would be sad to see, two clubs with rich history.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 08, 2022, 03:25:29 PM
On subject of schools
St Colmans were beaten yesterday in an Ulster final and St Josephs Newry won a title today so at least that's something
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 08, 2022, 09:18:05 PM
A few fairly heavy defeats dished out on game day one.

Gonna be a long tough season for some clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 08, 2022, 09:25:29 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 08, 2022, 03:25:29 PM
On subject of schools
St Colmans were beaten yesterday in an Ulster final and St Josephs Newry won a title today so at least that's something
Who was talking about Schools other than yourself?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 08, 2022, 09:37:55 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 08, 2022, 09:25:29 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 08, 2022, 03:25:29 PM
On subject of schools
St Colmans were beaten yesterday in an Ulster final and St Josephs Newry won a title today so at least that's something
Who was talking about Schools other than yourself?

Voices in his / her head?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 09, 2022, 10:02:41 AM
Anyone know why StJohns-Saul game didn't take place?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 09, 2022, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 09, 2022, 10:02:41 AM
Anyone know why StJohns-Saul game didn't take place?

Stag-Do on The Johnnies side
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 09, 2022, 10:46:24 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 09, 2022, 10:34:28 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 09, 2022, 10:02:41 AM
Anyone know why StJohns-Saul game didn't take place?

Stag-Do on The Johnnies side
Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 09, 2022, 11:27:45 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 08, 2022, 09:18:05 PM
A few fairly heavy defeats dished out on game day one.

Gonna be a long tough season for some clubs.

A few heavy defeats alright but none surprising tbh and a couple of teams not fielding in the PRFL already. Some clubs in trouble I doubt!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 10, 2022, 11:33:09 AM
James McCartan has been talked around into staying with the Down seniors after yesterdays drinking session
A few lads left the training camp early in disgust
When do the County board just say to James get rid of them and bring in younger lads who want to play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on April 10, 2022, 12:39:32 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 10, 2022, 11:33:09 AM
James McCartan has been talked around into staying with the Down seniors after yesterdays drinking session
A few lads left the training camp early in disgust
When do the County board just say to James get rid of them and bring in younger lads who want to play

What's this about?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on April 10, 2022, 02:19:15 PM
Quote from: sdg on April 10, 2022, 12:39:32 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 10, 2022, 11:33:09 AM
James McCartan has been talked around into staying with the Down seniors after yesterdays drinking session
A few lads left the training camp early in disgust
When do the County board just say to James get rid of them and bring in younger lads who want to play

What's this about?

There was abit of session in Dublin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 10, 2022, 02:20:53 PM
Think he's quit and who could blame him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 10, 2022, 03:31:51 PM
Take the chance and walk away James.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on April 10, 2022, 03:33:23 PM
Down not going so well isn't a new phenomenon , managers coming and going isn't either and the rotten comments and insinuations on this forum persist.
James hasn't been handed the greatest of jobs and the lack of backing from certain clubs doesn't help, if he did sit down and have a chat over a pint with some senior players it was to find out the mood in the camp,but to say it was a session is a bit strong.( obviously coming from some one who has never been in a session)
James needs to stay regardless what happens in the championship,he will get us out of div3.
The only demise is that of Warrenpoint, apparently well smacked, so much for top 4 in the county .
Top four will be Burren,Kilcoo, Bridge and one other , the other one should be an interesting fight!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on April 10, 2022, 03:39:57 PM
Is James gone? Source?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on April 10, 2022, 03:47:19 PM
Can't believe this news lads, the worst of it is that they were all fighting after the news got out, the dressing room is rotten to the core, same as the board. Has a county team ever had to forfeit a season before?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on April 10, 2022, 09:59:39 PM
Absolutely shocking news. James just right to walk away, complete lack of respect. Heard that it was some of the so called "senior" members of the squad that were drunk during the meeting too. And some of the lads have apparently left the squad as well in light of events. What hope do the younger members have. Complete toxic environment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 10, 2022, 10:45:19 PM
Quote from: mourneman9194 on April 10, 2022, 09:59:39 PM
Absolutely shocking news. James just right to walk away, complete lack of respect. Heard that it was some of the so called "senior" members of the squad that were drunk during the meeting too. And some of the lads have apparently left the squad as well in light of events. What hope do the younger members have. Complete toxic environment.
Truth Hurts will have all the right info in the morning.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 10, 2022, 10:49:31 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 10, 2022, 10:45:19 PM
Quote from: mourneman9194 on April 10, 2022, 09:59:39 PM
Absolutely shocking news. James just right to walk away, complete lack of respect. Heard that it was some of the so called "senior" members of the squad that were drunk during the meeting too. And some of the lads have apparently left the squad as well in light of events. What hope do the younger members have. Complete toxic environment.
Truth Hurts will have all the right info in the morning.

Leaving no stone unturned, he's ventured deep into South Down to pick up what he can overhear from the car parked outside Friar Tucks...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 10, 2022, 11:10:47 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 10, 2022, 10:49:31 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 10, 2022, 10:45:19 PM
Quote from: mourneman9194 on April 10, 2022, 09:59:39 PM
Absolutely shocking news. James just right to walk away, complete lack of respect. Heard that it was some of the so called "senior" members of the squad that were drunk during the meeting too. And some of the lads have apparently left the squad as well in light of events. What hope do the younger members have. Complete toxic environment.
Truth Hurts will have all the right info in the morning.

Leaving no stone unturned, he's ventured deep into South Down to pick up what he can overhear from the car parked outside Friar Tucks...
thought this kinda shite was being knocked on the head, getting boring now ffs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 11, 2022, 12:03:06 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 10, 2022, 11:10:47 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 10, 2022, 10:49:31 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 10, 2022, 10:45:19 PM
Quote from: mourneman9194 on April 10, 2022, 09:59:39 PM
Absolutely shocking news. James just right to walk away, complete lack of respect. Heard that it was some of the so called "senior" members of the squad that were drunk during the meeting too. And some of the lads have apparently left the squad as well in light of events. What hope do the younger members have. Complete toxic environment.
Truth Hurts will have all the right info in the morning.

Leaving no stone unturned, he's ventured deep into South Down to pick up what he can overhear from the car parked outside Friar Tucks...
thought this kinda shite was being knocked on the head, getting boring now ffs
Unfounded team selections and blah blah were to cease but there is a story here to be told by someone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 11, 2022, 07:13:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on April 11, 2022, 12:03:06 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 10, 2022, 11:10:47 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 10, 2022, 10:49:31 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 10, 2022, 10:45:19 PM
Quote from: mourneman9194 on April 10, 2022, 09:59:39 PM
Absolutely shocking news. James just right to walk away, complete lack of respect. Heard that it was some of the so called "senior" members of the squad that were drunk during the meeting too. And some of the lads have apparently left the squad as well in light of events. What hope do the younger members have. Complete toxic environment.
Truth Hurts will have all the right info in the morning.

Leaving no stone unturned, he's ventured deep into South Down to pick up what he can overhear from the car parked outside Friar Tucks...
thought this kinda shite was being knocked on the head, getting boring now ffs
Unfounded team selections and blah blah were to cease but there is a story here to be told by someone.
overheard in friar tucks, zebeedees blah blah, from a prominent south down official etc etc is boring as......and not even funny, if it's supposed to be 🙄
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 11, 2022, 08:23:40 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 11, 2022, 07:13:25 AM
Quote from: SamFever on April 11, 2022, 12:03:06 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 10, 2022, 11:10:47 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 10, 2022, 10:49:31 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 10, 2022, 10:45:19 PM
Quote from: mourneman9194 on April 10, 2022, 09:59:39 PM
Absolutely shocking news. James just right to walk away, complete lack of respect. Heard that it was some of the so called "senior" members of the squad that were drunk during the meeting too. And some of the lads have apparently left the squad as well in light of events. What hope do the younger members have. Complete toxic environment.
Truth Hurts will have all the right info in the morning.

Leaving no stone unturned, he's ventured deep into South Down to pick up what he can overhear from the car parked outside Friar Tucks...
thought this kinda shite was being knocked on the head, getting boring now ffs
Unfounded team selections and blah blah were to cease but there is a story here to be told by someone.
overheard in friar tucks, zebeedees blah blah, from a prominent south down official etc etc is boring as......and not even funny, if it's supposed to be 🙄
Agree its childish rubbish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 11, 2022, 08:24:48 AM
Sheedy is right.

Given his signature he might want to talk about Everton.

Now that's funny!!!

🎪🤡
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 11, 2022, 08:27:16 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 11, 2022, 08:24:48 AM
Sheedy is right.

Given his signature he might want to talk about Everton.

Now that's funny!!!

🎪🤡
It is alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 08:32:48 AM
All the reports over the weekend are shocking. People are quick to shout down the county board but do not shout down the primadonnas who are currently saying they are representing us as a county. I am making a bold statement but I firmly believe that our senior county team should be pulled from the all Ireland championship. The expenses and the GPA grant that they are waiting for need to be pulled too. Away to the states and get your money there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 11, 2022, 08:46:24 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 08:32:48 AM
All the reports over the weekend are shocking. People are quick to shout down the county board but do not shout down the primadonnas who are currently saying they are representing us as a county. I am making a bold statement but I firmly believe that our senior county team should be pulled from the all Ireland championship. The expenses and the GPA grant that they are waiting for need to be pulled too. Away to the states and get your money there.
How accurate are these reports?Is the Management still in place?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 11, 2022, 08:58:15 AM
Nothing reported in the press that I've seen so James must still be in the job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 09:05:25 AM
It is true that some players and management came home from Dublin due to the drinking. After the St Paddys fiasco, there should have been boys chased but because one was a certain club it was brushed under the carpet.Stop the payments Jack asap, stop the payments going to coaches, s and c , mileage, food etc. These primadonnas are taking us for a ride. Our changing room is worse than Man Utd.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 11, 2022, 09:06:41 AM
Better be true or else GAABoardMod5 is going to have a feckin field day
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 11, 2022, 09:09:52 AM
It's all very much true
I would suggest Down GAA make a bold move and let the players go and take in last years ulster winning under 20 squad
The St Patrick's day fiasco now this
A bold move but the credibility of DOWN GAA is at an all time low
Enough is enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 09:15:21 AM
Its all very sad and it is not the credibility of Down gaa , its the credibility of our senior football team who do not treat the jersey with respect.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 11, 2022, 09:19:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 09:05:25 AM
It is true that some players and management came home from Dublin due to the drinking. After the St Paddys fiasco, there should have been boys chased but because one was a certain club it was brushed under the carpet.Stop the payments Jack asap, stop the payments going to coaches, s and c , mileage, food etc. These primadonnas are taking us for a ride. Our changing room is worse than Man Utd.
Mostly good points but why stop paying the Coaches& S/C?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 09:52:43 AM
Quote from: SamFever on April 11, 2022, 09:19:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 09:05:25 AM
It is true that some players and management came home from Dublin due to the drinking. After the St Paddys fiasco, there should have been boys chased but because one was a certain club it was brushed under the carpet.Stop the payments Jack asap, stop the payments going to coaches, s and c , mileage, food etc. These primadonnas are taking us for a ride. Our changing room is worse than Man Utd.
Mostly good points but why stop paying the Coaches& S/C?

Because we are paying out money which is being laughed at. We raise this money ourselves through club and the county. Its actually very sad and when I think of the supporters who travel the lenght and breath of the country to hear this crap. I feel for them, I find it very hurtful and i am very angry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 11, 2022, 10:05:33 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 09:52:43 AM
Quote from: SamFever on April 11, 2022, 09:19:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 09:05:25 AM
It is true that some players and management came home from Dublin due to the drinking. After the St Paddys fiasco, there should have been boys chased but because one was a certain club it was brushed under the carpet.Stop the payments Jack asap, stop the payments going to coaches, s and c , mileage, food etc. These primadonnas are taking us for a ride. Our changing room is worse than Man Utd.
Mostly good points but why stop paying the Coaches& S/C?

Because we are paying out money which is being laughed at. We raise this money ourselves through club and the county. Its actually very sad and when I think of the supporters who travel the lenght and breath of the country to hear this crap. I feel for them, I find it very hurtful and i am very angry.
So are you saying that we just stop everything?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 10:15:11 AM
Quote from: SamFever on April 11, 2022, 10:05:33 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 09:52:43 AM
Quote from: SamFever on April 11, 2022, 09:19:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 09:05:25 AM
It is true that some players and management came home from Dublin due to the drinking. After the St Paddys fiasco, there should have been boys chased but because one was a certain club it was brushed under the carpet.Stop the payments Jack asap, stop the payments going to coaches, s and c , mileage, food etc. These primadonnas are taking us for a ride. Our changing room is worse than Man Utd.
Mostly good points but why stop paying the Coaches& S/C?

Because we are paying out money which is being laughed at. We raise this money ourselves through club and the county. Its actually very sad and when I think of the supporters who travel the lenght and breath of the country to hear this crap. I feel for them, I find it very hurtful and i am very angry.
So are you saying that we just stop everything?

At senior football level for the 2022 season. We need a change in culture and we need players who want to play for the county there.  As I said before, Down senior jerseys are being thrown around like confetti.  Down county board paid for the primadonnas to go to Dublin for a training weekend in preparation for the Monaghan game and the players decided to turn it into an episode of Geordie Shore. James McCartan will always be a legend and a Down great. He does not deserve this. We as a county do not deserve this so I am saying pull the county team for the 2022 season and reset and try and rebuild and change the culture. The culture in our changing room at the minute is poisonous and is not something I want to support. I am extremely angry and disappointed as we are all gaels and love the county but this has went too far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 11, 2022, 11:54:45 AM
  It'll all blow over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BigRipper89 on April 11, 2022, 12:32:52 PM
Amatuer sports players have a few beers after taking half a day off work unpaid and travelling to a training weekend. SHAME on them. Anyone who has ever played sport at any level knows that socialising with a team is a massive part of it. A few beers after a game is normal in rugby and soccer and all the ''great down teams'' have done exaclty the same.

Few surprising results last week, looking forward to this thursdays games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: BigRipper89 on April 11, 2022, 12:32:52 PM
Amatuer sports players have a few beers after taking half a day off work unpaid and travelling to a training weekend. SHAME on them. Anyone who has ever played sport at any level knows that socialising with a team is a massive part of it. A few beers after a game is normal in rugby and soccer and all the ''great down teams'' have done exaclty the same.

Few surprising results last week, looking forward to this thursdays games

The Cpn and Rostrevor game is going to be really important I know its early days but i think the losers of that could really struggle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 11, 2022, 12:55:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: BigRipper89 on April 11, 2022, 12:32:52 PM
Amatuer sports players have a few beers after taking half a day off work unpaid and travelling to a training weekend. SHAME on them. Anyone who has ever played sport at any level knows that socialising with a team is a massive part of it. A few beers after a game is normal in rugby and soccer and all the ''great down teams'' have done exaclty the same.

Few surprising results last week, looking forward to this thursdays games

The Cpn and Rostrevor game is going to be really important I know its early days but i think the losers of that could really struggle.

Bar Carryduff vs Ford.. I'd say all the games are crackers, something to play for in them all. Bridge following up and making last week wasn't a one off, Clonduff putting down a marker for later on in the year then the rest to get points on the board asap
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 01:53:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 11, 2022, 12:55:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: BigRipper89 on April 11, 2022, 12:32:52 PM
Amatuer sports players have a few beers after taking half a day off work unpaid and travelling to a training weekend. SHAME on them. Anyone who has ever played sport at any level knows that socialising with a team is a massive part of it. A few beers after a game is normal in rugby and soccer and all the ''great down teams'' have done exaclty the same.

Few surprising results last week, looking forward to this thursdays games

The Cpn and Rostrevor game is going to be really important I know its early days but i think the losers of that could really struggle.

Bar Carryduff vs Ford.. I'd say all the games are crackers, something to play for in them all. Bridge following up and making last week wasn't a one off, Clonduff putting down a marker for later on in the year then the rest to get points on the board asap

Are the Ford that bad?

The Town need to get something in Ballyholland too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 11, 2022, 02:24:18 PM
Are Ballykinlar fielding a mens team this year?

I know they tried to get things going a few years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 11, 2022, 03:17:38 PM
No trying to concentrate on underage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on April 11, 2022, 08:19:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 11, 2022, 09:06:41 AM
Better be true or else GAABoardMod5 is going to have a feckin field day

That this Down thread will be deleted permanently is high on the list of possibilities...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 11, 2022, 09:06:30 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 11, 2022, 08:19:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 11, 2022, 09:06:41 AM
Better be true or else GAABoardMod5 is going to have a feckin field day

That this Down thread will be deleted permanently is high on the list of possibilities...
That's bit harsh can you not just delete the profiles of the u12s on here instead?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 11, 2022, 09:12:00 PM
I've a cynical and impatient disposition and to be honest this stuff doesn't bother me at all. Would rather it went away but here if we have to put up with it to hear what's going on around the county, well then keep visiting takeaways lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 11, 2022, 09:20:23 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 11, 2022, 08:19:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 11, 2022, 09:06:41 AM
Better be true or else GAABoardMod5 is going to have a feckin field day

That this Down thread will be deleted permanently is high on the list of possibilities...
Unless you are James McCartan or Aidan O'Rourke,who are probably the only ones that know what exactly happened at the weekend,are we not allowed to discuss rumours?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on April 11, 2022, 09:30:52 PM
Cancel culture gone mad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on April 11, 2022, 09:39:56 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on April 11, 2022, 09:30:52 PM
Cancel culture gone mad

Maybe more of a liability issue...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on April 11, 2022, 09:41:54 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 11, 2022, 09:12:00 PM
I've a cynical and impatient disposition and to be honest this stuff doesn't bother me at all. Would rather it went away but here if we have to put up with it to hear what's going on around the county, well then keep visiting takeaways lads.

You might be correct on this path...leaving any liability issues aside.  Just change the thread title to include unfounded rumours and opinions of eejits.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 11, 2022, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 11, 2022, 09:41:54 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 11, 2022, 09:12:00 PM
I've a cynical and impatient disposition and to be honest this stuff doesn't bother me at all. Would rather it went away but here if we have to put up with it to hear what's going on around the county, well then keep visiting takeaways lads.

You might be correct on this path...leaving any liability issues aside.  Just change the thread title to include unfounded rumours and opinions of eejits.
Only Lecale2 can change the Thread title I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on April 12, 2022, 12:10:12 AM
Quote from: wobbller on April 11, 2022, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 11, 2022, 09:41:54 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 11, 2022, 09:12:00 PM
I've a cynical and impatient disposition and to be honest this stuff doesn't bother me at all. Would rather it went away but here if we have to put up with it to hear what's going on around the county, well then keep visiting takeaways lads.

You might be correct on this path...leaving any liability issues aside.  Just change the thread title to include unfounded rumours and opinions of eejits.
Only Lecale2 can change the Thread title I think.

Changed it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football Gossip
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on April 12, 2022, 12:10:49 AM
Test
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football Gossip
Post by: Never beat the deeler on April 12, 2022, 01:55:44 AM
this is class  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football Gossip
Post by: wobbller on April 12, 2022, 08:24:40 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 12, 2022, 01:55:44 AM
this is class  ;D
Class?No other County has the word gossip in it's main thread title but our Mod is worried about liability.🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
  Is one of our or more of the alleged drinkers at the weekend going to sue because someone on here
said they were drinking beer when in fact they were drinking Cider???Jesus wept!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football tittle tattle
Post by: johnnycool on April 12, 2022, 09:13:20 AM
It's only football gossip, I deal in facts when it comes to hurling.

Making that abundantly clear.  ;)

As for lads having a drink during a training weekend, it happened when I was involved with the hurlers under Sean McGuinness and we were in Div1 at the time and I know from a few lads I got to know who were involved with the great Down football team of the 90's under McGrath and and a few years after with O'Rourke that they also had the odd session, so get over yourselves sitting behind keyboards whilst these young lads have busted their balls to get themselves into a position where wee James is picking them, they've a life too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football Gossip
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on April 12, 2022, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: wobbller on April 12, 2022, 08:24:40 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 12, 2022, 01:55:44 AM
this is class  ;D
Class?No other County has the word gossip in it's main thread title but our Mod is worried about liability.🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
  Is one of our or more of the alleged drinkers at the weekend going to sue because someone on here
said they were drinking beer when in fact they were drinking Cider???Jesus wept!

First with the news then?  Odd how these stories are nowhere else though...not that I can see anyway, but I'm not looking too hard. 

Poster 'the wobbler' says let it be and we can put up with what some other poster called the U12 posters on here, which might be a good start.  What do you think needs to be done, if anything?

Or, as johnnycool says, there is nothing to see here.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 12, 2022, 09:48:37 AM
I see the u17 leagues started last night and there were some big results. Newry Bosco sits on top of division one, this is great to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 12, 2022, 12:07:35 PM
 Good to have the various underage and Adult Football games back again instead of the pantomine that is our Senior Footballers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football Gossip
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 12, 2022, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 12, 2022, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: wobbller on April 12, 2022, 08:24:40 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 12, 2022, 01:55:44 AM
this is class  ;D
Class?No other County has the word gossip in it's main thread title but our Mod is worried about liability.🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
  Is one of our or more of the alleged drinkers at the weekend going to sue because someone on here
said they were drinking beer when in fact they were drinking Cider???Jesus wept!



First with the news then?  Odd how these stories are nowhere else though...not that I can see anyway, but I'm not looking too hard. 

Poster 'the wobbler' says let it be and we can put up with what some other poster called the U12 posters on here, which might be a good start.  What do you think needs to be done, if anything?

Or, as johnnycool says, there is nothing to see here.


As long as it's not personal & no individual is named or singled out for abuse then let a bit of rumour & speculation go.

There was a poster a while ago who directed abuse at certain people & that's not acceptable but most lads (& maybe ladies) look at this to hear what's going on around the scene.

Lot of nonsense at times but mostly it's harmless.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football Gossip
Post by: wobbller on April 12, 2022, 02:57:48 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 12, 2022, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 12, 2022, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: wobbller on April 12, 2022, 08:24:40 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 12, 2022, 01:55:44 AM
this is class  ;D
Class?No other County has the word gossip in it's main thread title but our Mod is worried about liability.🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
  Is one of our or more of the alleged drinkers at the weekend going to sue because someone on here
said they were drinking beer when in fact they were drinking Cider???Jesus wept!



First with the news then?  Odd how these stories are nowhere else though...not that I can see anyway, but I'm not looking too hard. 

Poster 'the wobbler' says let it be and we can put up with what some other poster called the U12 posters on here, which might be a good start.  What do you think needs to be done, if anything?

Or, as johnnycool says, there is nothing to see here.


As long as it's not personal & no individual is named or singled out for abuse then let a bit of rumour & speculation go.

There was a poster a while ago who directed abuse at certain people & that's not acceptable but most lads (& maybe ladies) look at this to hear what's going on around the scene.

Lot of nonsense at times but mostly it's harmless.
Agree.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 12, 2022, 03:26:08 PM
Are the seniors training tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 12, 2022, 04:00:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 12, 2022, 03:26:08 PM
Are the seniors training tonight?

Meeting at Quinn's in Newcastle for a 7pm start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 12, 2022, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on April 12, 2022, 04:00:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 12, 2022, 03:26:08 PM
Are the seniors training tonight?

Meeting at Quinn's in Newcastle for a 7pm start.
;D gear optional
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 12, 2022, 06:44:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 12, 2022, 09:48:37 AM
I see the u17 leagues started last night and there were some big results. Newry Bosco sits on top of division one, this is great to see.

After one game - great to see!! My god..
this group of Bosco won U14 South Down title so it's not really that much of a surprise..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football Gossip
Post by: supersub on April 12, 2022, 11:51:44 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 12, 2022, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: wobbller on April 12, 2022, 08:24:40 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 12, 2022, 01:55:44 AM
this is class  ;D
Class?No other County has the word gossip in it's main thread title but our Mod is worried about liability.🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
  Is one of our or more of the alleged drinkers at the weekend going to sue because someone on here
said they were drinking beer when in fact they were drinking Cider???Jesus wept!

First with the news then?  Odd how these stories are nowhere else though...not that I can see anyway, but I'm not looking too hard. 

Poster 'the wobbler' says let it be and we can put up with what some other poster called the U12 posters on here, which might be a good start.  What do you think needs to be done, if anything?

Or, as johnnycool says, there is nothing to see here.

Personal attacks on players or county board officials need to be struck down and posters struck off immediately. This is no place for personal vendettas. As for rumour mills and the like, especially regarding the weekend past, there was plenty doing the rounds on social platforms about it so a discussion of sorts is merited I suppose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 13, 2022, 07:50:36 AM
Where was the personal attacks?
Talking facts about what happened
Player lead session last night in Mayobridge
Management back after an apology
And total commitments to Down GAA until season over
I expect the squad to batting down the hatches and go full hit at Monaghan

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football Gossip
Post by: wobbller on April 13, 2022, 07:53:53 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 12, 2022, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: wobbller on April 12, 2022, 08:24:40 AM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 12, 2022, 01:55:44 AM
this is class  ;D
Class?No other County has the word gossip in it's main thread title but our Mod is worried about liability.🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
  Is one of our or more of the alleged drinkers at the weekend going to sue because someone on here
said they were drinking beer when in fact they were drinking Cider???Jesus wept!

First with the news then?  Odd how these stories are nowhere else though...not that I can see anyway, but I'm not looking too hard. 

Poster 'the wobbler' says let it be and we can put up with what some other poster called the U12 posters on here, which might be a good start.  What do you think needs to be done, if anything?

Or, as johnnycool says, there is nothing to see here.
"Yes Mod-"First with the news" Irish News runs the story today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 13, 2022, 08:41:32 AM
The Irish News understands that following the outcome of last night's meeting, McCartan is likely to remain in charge but Down officials could not be contacted last night for comment.

It's understood McCartan wasn't present at the meeting or the training session the players conducted themselves afterwards.

The turmoil comes less than three weeks ahead of their Ulster SFC opener against Monaghan, which takes place in Clones on April 30.

The Mournemen suffered relegation from Division Two of the Allianz League, picking up just a single point in their seven games in a draw away to Meath.

It has been a difficult season since before it even began.

A management team of Conor Laverty, Jim McGuinness and Marty Clarke was pursued but the former Donegal All-Ireland winning manager backed away, while Laverty and Clarke decided to stay with the U20s.

McCartan was only subsequently appointed on November 24, by which stage most counties had been back in training for weeks.

After losing McKenna Cup games to Donegal and Antrim, their sluggish start to the league was unsurprising in the circumstances, but their form never picked up.

Besieged by injuries and absenteeism from the beginning of the year, they hopeful of a significant Kilcoo influx after their All-Ireland winning campaign.

However, of the four that did join up they've lost Jerome Johnston and Ceilum Doherty again, both of whom have opted out.

They followed on the heels of Liam Kerr and Finn McElroy, who both opted out having been arguably their best two players through the league.

Down's relegation in the league means they will play in the inaugural Tailteann Cup unless they find a way to the Ulster final.

That will mean having to get past Monaghan before whoever emerges out of Tyrone, Derry and Fermanagh.

An All-Ireland winner himself as a player in 1991 and '94, James McCartan's first spell in charge brought them to what appeared an unthinkable high of reaching the All-Ireland final in 2010, where they lost by a single point to Cork.

They qualified for an Ulster final in 2012 but were well beaten in the end by eventual All-Ireland champions Donegal.

McCartan stayed five years in total, stepping down at the end of the 2014 season. He returned to coach the county's minor teams in recent seasons and had continually been linked with a return to the senior post.

When it arrived however, it was out of loyalty to the county rather than out of any designs he had on the job.

The pursuit of McGuinness and Laverty left Down with very few options very late in the year, and McCartan reluctantly stepped up to pull them out of the hole.

Yet after another tumultuous week on the back of a difficult league campaign, expectations of a Down upset against Monaghan will be low.

Down officials had denied on Monday night that McCartan had stepped down, and could not be contacted last night.

Taken from the Irish News (GOSSIP section )   ;D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on April 13, 2022, 10:59:40 AM
Mods need to shut down the Irish News!  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on April 13, 2022, 11:23:30 AM
Irish news must have some serious liability issues after that article today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on April 13, 2022, 11:40:56 AM
Just announced . The paper formally known as the Irish News is now the Irish Gossip  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 13, 2022, 12:24:30 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 13, 2022, 07:50:36 AM
Where was the personal attacks?
Talking facts about what happened
Player lead session last night in Mayobridge
Management back after an apology
And total commitments to Down GAA until season over
I expect the squad to batting down the hatches and go full hit at Monaghan

You are obviously either having a laugh or only look at the previous page of posts. Multiple attacks on 'older players' in the panel as well as naming a ridiculing County Board officials. Not talking about the last few days, I'm talking longer term. Hence the reason the Mods have been in here a couple of times prior to this week.

Facts about what happened at the weekend is fine, as I said in my post, it deserved discussion. The other stuff does not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clubman21 on April 13, 2022, 02:57:23 PM
Wheres this news been circulating
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on April 13, 2022, 03:17:40 PM
Quote from: Boysinrednblackrback on April 13, 2022, 02:55:31 PM
Big news circulating that a management team of Pete McGrath, Pete Jnr, Kevin McKernan and Shorty Trainor is taking over to the end of the year after last nights peace negotiations broke down

Who the hell is this guy?
Moderator can you please ban him for making false accusations as the two McGraths will be managing burren reserves to a junior title in down next year after they walk the reserve championships this year by winning with 40 points to spare in each game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clubman21 on April 13, 2022, 03:20:54 PM
Quote from: Boysinrednblackrback on April 13, 2022, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: clubman21 on April 13, 2022, 02:57:23 PM
Wheres this news been circulating
Email sent out to all clubs regarding starred players for tomorrow night had this information contained in it
If it was sent to all clubs a more regular poster would have heard, ie not an account who started posting today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 13, 2022, 03:40:19 PM
Its ridiculous.
Bit of a climb down from Burren Reserves mind you
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clubman21 on April 14, 2022, 09:57:20 AM
Plenty in the Irish news about McCartan, pete mcgraths name not mentioned though... :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 14, 2022, 10:02:04 AM
Quote from: clubman21 on April 14, 2022, 09:57:20 AM
Plenty in the Irish news about McCartan, pete mcgraths name not mentioned though... :)

Think the Mods banned him (can't see his posts anymore) - fair play Mod5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 14, 2022, 12:26:05 PM
Some bad press for us over the last week and I hope everyone can knuckle down now and concentrate on Monaghan. If the players have anything in them then they should be chomping at the bit to get going. I have just listened to John Fegans South Down football podcast for this week and there were some good points from Sean O'Hare about people blaming others and he stated that the clubs got rid of McCorry and Tally. Pete jnr in a Burren top though  :o :o

Onto the club scene, there are some humdingers on offer tonight and I still am unsure where to go to. Where would be the best game to go to tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on April 14, 2022, 12:30:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 14, 2022, 12:26:05 PM
Some bad press for us over the last week and I hope everyone can knuckle down now and concentrate on Monaghan. If the players have anything in them then they should be chomping at the bit to get going. I have just listened to John Fegans South Down football podcast for this week and there were some good points from Sean O'Hare about people blaming others and he stated that the clubs got rid of McCorry and Tally. Pete jnr in a Burren top though  :o :o

Onto the club scene, there are some humdingers on offer tonight and I still am unsure where to go to. Where would be the best game to go to tonight?
CLANN NA BANNA   vs   TECONNAUGHT for me will be a cracker of a game ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 14, 2022, 12:41:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 14, 2022, 12:26:05 PM
Some bad press for us over the last week and I hope everyone can knuckle down now and concentrate on Monaghan. If the players have anything in them then they should be chomping at the bit to get going. I have just listened to John Fegans South Down football podcast for this week and there were some good points from Sean O'Hare about people blaming others and he stated that the clubs got rid of McCorry and Tally. Pete jnr in a Burren top though  :o :o

Onto the club scene, there are some humdingers on offer tonight and I still am unsure where to go to. Where would be the best game to go to tonight?

Burren v M'Bridge possibly for the best quality on offer, or if you're an east Down man Loughinisland v RGU should be tightly contested, RGU will be desperate for a win after last week's defeat and it has the local derby edge to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 14, 2022, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 14, 2022, 12:26:05 PM
Some bad press for us over the last week and I hope everyone can knuckle down now and concentrate on Monaghan. If the players have anything in them then they should be chomping at the bit to get going. I have just listened to John Fegans South Down football podcast for this week and there were some good points from Sean O'Hare about people blaming others and he stated that the clubs got rid of McCorry and Tally. Pete jnr in a Burren top though  :o :o

Onto the club scene, there are some humdingers on offer tonight and I still am unsure where to go to. Where would be the best game to go to tonight?
Most people go to their own Club's fixtures during League and then go to various other games during the Championship. 8)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 14, 2022, 10:36:35 PM
A few surprising results tonight in the league. Burren hammering Mayobridge and Clonduff beating the All Ireland champions are two that I wouldn't have called. We had a typical derby with Rostrevor but thankfully came out on the right side of the result. Some impressive performances from our lads.
I hope the injury suffered by Conor McGrady (which led to the game being abandoned) isn't too bad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on April 15, 2022, 10:41:12 AM
Thought the ref had a good game. Wasn't whistle happy and took no nonsense from the side line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 15, 2022, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: elk on April 15, 2022, 10:41:12 AM
Thought the ref had a good game. Wasn't whistle happy and took no nonsense from the side line.
Are we supposed to know what game you're referring to?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on April 15, 2022, 01:46:05 PM
At CPN v Rostrevor last night after a few verbals between both sets of 'management' the referee put EVERYONE INCLUDING SUBS outside the pitch fence apart from manager, their no 2 and physio of each team - a total of 6 allowed on sideline. Subs were standing with supporters 🤔 Is he allowed to do that ? I don't know but would be interested to hear opinion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 15, 2022, 02:22:50 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on April 15, 2022, 01:46:05 PM
At CPN v Rostrevor last night after a few verbals between both sets of 'management' the referee put EVERYONE INCLUDING SUBS outside the pitch fence apart from manager, their no 2 and physio of each team - a total of 6 allowed on sideline. Subs were standing with supporters 🤔 Is he allowed to do that ? I don't know but would be interested to hear opinion
Don't know if it's allowed or not but it would lessen the chances of rows.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on April 15, 2022, 02:31:43 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on April 15, 2022, 01:46:05 PM
At CPN v Rostrevor last night after a few verbals between both sets of 'management' the referee put EVERYONE INCLUDING SUBS outside the pitch fence apart from manager, their no 2 and physio of each team - a total of 6 allowed on sideline. Subs were standing with supporters 🤔 Is he allowed to do that ? I don't know but would be interested to hear opinion

I think in Owenbeg, Corrigan and Newry etc. subs sit in the stands but that's club games at county grounds.

Probably easier managed with more 'security' and videoing about but definately tidies up the sideline a bit and cuts down on things kicking off.

Very hard to control at club matches though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on April 15, 2022, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 15, 2022, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: elk on April 15, 2022, 10:41:12 AM
Thought the ref had a good game. Wasn't whistle happy and took no nonsense from the side line.
Are we supposed to know what game you're referring to?
CPN V Rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 15, 2022, 02:57:47 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on April 15, 2022, 01:46:05 PM
At CPN v Rostrevor last night after a few verbals between both sets of 'management' the referee put EVERYONE INCLUDING SUBS outside the pitch fence apart from manager, their no 2 and physio of each team - a total of 6 allowed on sideline. Subs were standing with supporters 🤔 Is he allowed to do that ? I don't know but would be interested to hear opinion

I make him right and he's done it before.

There's a thoroughly unnecessary pitch side posse with every senior team, including our own.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 15, 2022, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 15, 2022, 02:57:47 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on April 15, 2022, 01:46:05 PM
At CPN v Rostrevor last night after a few verbals between both sets of 'management' the referee put EVERYONE INCLUDING SUBS outside the pitch fence apart from manager, their no 2 and physio of each team - a total of 6 allowed on sideline. Subs were standing with supporters 🤔 Is he allowed to do that ? I don't know but would be interested to hear opinion

I make him right and he's done it before.

There's a thoroughly unnecessary pitch side posse with every senior team, including our own.
If each of our Clubs enforce it then it would become the norm.But that could easier said than done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 15, 2022, 04:06:14 PM
See Doherty playing for Kilcoo last night, he's obviously left the county panel recently, any others away from it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 15, 2022, 04:08:35 PM
Bubba was in nets for Town last night. Played well too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 15, 2022, 10:49:11 PM
By all accounts the referee in Clonduff v Kilcoo bottled a massive decision to send off the man with the tights.. watched him kicking an opponent and gave only a yellow card.
A massive round of fixtures next weekend for some clubs who have started off slowly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 16, 2022, 03:17:03 PM
Another brilliant result for the hurlers, beating Kerry by 4pts in Joe mcdonagh cup. Some job Ronan Sheehan is doing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 16, 2022, 03:34:49 PM
The hurlers are having a great year. Encouraging to see up to 7 different clubs, having a representative on the 1st 15 in most of the games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 16, 2022, 08:28:09 PM
Disappointing result for the minor footballers in Fermanagh today.
I think they were beat in first round last year too?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 16, 2022, 08:48:51 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 16, 2022, 08:28:09 PM
Disappointing result for the minor footballers in Fermanagh today.
I think they were beat in first round last year too?
They were 2.02 to 0.01 behind after 10 mins I believe. Not unexpected considering their minor league results.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on April 17, 2022, 12:45:08 PM
So there will be a museum commemorating the British army at the new Down training facility in Ballykinler. What west-Brit decided that would be a good idea? Were clubs consulted as I definitely did nit hear anything about it? Co board selling their soul for 40 pieces of silver.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on April 17, 2022, 01:44:29 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on April 17, 2022, 12:45:08 PM
So there will be a museum commemorating the British army at the new Down training facility in Ballykinler. What west-Brit decided that would be a good idea? Were clubs consulted as I definitely did nit hear anything about it? Co board selling their soul for 40 pieces of silver.

Read that too. Disgusting. We are an embarrassment in every aspect really.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 17, 2022, 05:21:20 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on April 17, 2022, 01:44:29 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on April 17, 2022, 12:45:08 PM
So there will be a museum commemorating the British army at the new Down training facility in Ballykinler. What west-Brit decided that would be a good idea? Were clubs consulted as I definitely did nit hear anything about it? Co board selling their soul for 40 pieces of silver.

Read that too. Disgusting. We are an embarrassment in every aspect really.
Read it where?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 17, 2022, 06:20:39 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 17, 2022, 05:21:20 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on April 17, 2022, 01:44:29 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on April 17, 2022, 12:45:08 PM
So there will be a museum commemorating the British army at the new Down training facility in Ballykinler. What west-Brit decided that would be a good idea? Were clubs consulted as I definitely did nit hear anything about it? Co board selling their soul for 40 pieces of silver.

Read that too. Disgusting. We are an embarrassment in every aspect really.
Read it where?

It's reported on website called Armagh I.

Hardly a reliable source?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 17, 2022, 08:10:00 PM
It was reported on Belfast Telegraph and Irish news two weeks ago lads.. Didn't comment on it here because I couldn't be arsed with the rows
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 17, 2022, 08:22:27 PM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/gaelic-games-and-british-army-history-to-be-central-in-new-10m-down-gaa-centre-41520176.html

The link for anyone interested... Ironic the story was run close too Easter.. Betrayal and 30 pieces of silver come too mind
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 17, 2022, 08:27:01 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on April 17, 2022, 01:44:29 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on April 17, 2022, 12:45:08 PM
So there will be a museum commemorating the British army at the new Down training facility in Ballykinler. What west-Brit decided that would be a good idea? Were clubs consulted as I definitely did nit hear anything about it? Co board selling their soul for 40 pieces of silver.

Read that too. Disgusting. We are an embarrassment in every aspect really.
Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse, they'll probably get some high ranking Brit to cut the ribbon!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 17, 2022, 11:31:34 PM
Madine put in a good performance for New York tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 18, 2022, 02:40:20 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 17, 2022, 08:22:27 PM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/gaelic-games-and-british-army-history-to-be-central-in-new-10m-down-gaa-centre-41520176.html

The link for anyone interested... Ironic the story was run close too Easter.. Betrayal and 30 pieces of silver come too mind

Slightly off topic (as an outsider) is it not a strange location for a centre of excellence? Would it be considered central to the clubs in Down? Some drive for the Belfast clubs who potentially could be pivotal to Downs success in the future (given their huge numbers n growth).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 18, 2022, 09:18:47 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 18, 2022, 02:40:20 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 17, 2022, 08:22:27 PM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/gaelic-games-and-british-army-history-to-be-central-in-new-10m-down-gaa-centre-41520176.html

The link for anyone interested... Ironic the story was run close too Easter.. Betrayal and 30 pieces of silver come too mind

Slightly off topic (as an outsider) is it not a strange location for a centre of excellence? Would it be considered central to the clubs in Down? Some drive for the Belfast clubs who potentially could be pivotal to Downs success in the future (given their huge numbers n growth).
Its actually fairly central. Roughly 40-45 mins from the most northern clubs in bredagh/east belfast, 45 mins from most southern club in An Riocht and 40 mins from Banbridge the most western club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 18, 2022, 09:21:06 AM
Central?

Perhaps geographically.

In terms of proximity to where Down people live and work, it's the middle of nowhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on April 18, 2022, 10:28:16 AM
I would dispute that point on Banbridge being most western. Aghaderg a few minutes out the road is more west, the Newry clubs would be more west surely?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 18, 2022, 10:42:47 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on April 18, 2022, 10:28:16 AM
I would dispute that point on Banbridge being most western. Aghaderg a few minutes out the road is more west, the Newry clubs would be more west surely?

None of that is relevant.

The only thing that's relevant is proximity to the A1, and it's the best part of an hour's drive away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 18, 2022, 02:17:44 PM
Prob should've built it in carryduff near the  big clubs in Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on April 18, 2022, 02:40:39 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 18, 2022, 09:18:47 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 18, 2022, 02:40:20 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 17, 2022, 08:22:27 PM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/gaelic-games-and-british-army-history-to-be-central-in-new-10m-down-gaa-centre-41520176.html

The link for anyone interested... Ironic the story was run close too Easter.. Betrayal and 30 pieces of silver come too mind

Slightly off topic (as an outsider) is it not a strange location for a centre of excellence? Would it be considered central to the clubs in Down? Some drive for the Belfast clubs who potentially could be pivotal to Downs success in the future (given their huge numbers n growth).
Its actually fairly central. Roughly 40-45 mins from the most northern clubs in bredagh/east belfast, 45 mins from most southern club in An Riocht and 40 mins from Banbridge the most western club

How far from the 3 Ards' clubs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 18, 2022, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 18, 2022, 02:40:39 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 18, 2022, 09:18:47 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 18, 2022, 02:40:20 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 17, 2022, 08:22:27 PM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/gaelic-games-and-british-army-history-to-be-central-in-new-10m-down-gaa-centre-41520176.html

The link for anyone interested... Ironic the story was run close too Easter.. Betrayal and 30 pieces of silver come too mind

Slightly off topic (as an outsider) is it not a strange location for a centre of excellence? Would it be considered central to the clubs in Down? Some drive for the Belfast clubs who potentially could be pivotal to Downs success in the future (given their huge numbers n growth).
Its actually fairly central. Roughly 40-45 mins from the most northern clubs in bredagh/east belfast, 45 mins from most southern club in An Riocht and 40 mins from Banbridge the most western club

How far from the 3 Ards' clubs
Depends on the boat sailings but from Ballycran its 1 hr going by the boat or around by the lough in the car.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on April 18, 2022, 05:02:20 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 18, 2022, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 18, 2022, 02:40:39 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 18, 2022, 09:18:47 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 18, 2022, 02:40:20 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 17, 2022, 08:22:27 PM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/gaelic-games-and-british-army-history-to-be-central-in-new-10m-down-gaa-centre-41520176.html

The link for anyone interested... Ironic the story was run close too Easter.. Betrayal and 30 pieces of silver come too mind

Slightly off topic (as an outsider) is it not a strange location for a centre of excellence? Would it be considered central to the clubs in Down? Some drive for the Belfast clubs who potentially could be pivotal to Downs success in the future (given their huge numbers n growth).
Its actually fairly central. Roughly 40-45 mins from the most northern clubs in bredagh/east belfast, 45 mins from most southern club in An Riocht and 40 mins from Banbridge the most western club

How far from the 3 Ards' clubs
Depends on the boat sailings but from Ballycran its 1 hr going by the boat or around by the lough in the car.

Ok.  Will the Down hurlers train there or is that too far away or central now they have Newry Shamrock and Liatroim players etc. on board now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 18, 2022, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 18, 2022, 05:02:20 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 18, 2022, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 18, 2022, 02:40:39 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 18, 2022, 09:18:47 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 18, 2022, 02:40:20 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 17, 2022, 08:22:27 PM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/gaelic-games-and-british-army-history-to-be-central-in-new-10m-down-gaa-centre-41520176.html

The link for anyone interested... Ironic the story was run close too Easter.. Betrayal and 30 pieces of silver come too mind

Slightly off topic (as an outsider) is it not a strange location for a centre of excellence? Would it be considered central to the clubs in Down? Some drive for the Belfast clubs who potentially could be pivotal to Downs success in the future (given their huge numbers n growth).
Its actually fairly central. Roughly 40-45 mins from the most northern clubs in bredagh/east belfast, 45 mins from most southern club in An Riocht and 40 mins from Banbridge the most western club

How far from the 3 Ards' clubs
Depends on the boat sailings but from Ballycran its 1 hr going by the boat or around by the lough in the car.

Ok.  Will the Down hurlers train there or is that too far away or central now they have Newry Shamrock and Liatroim players etc. on board now?
I'd say everyone is to train at Ballykinler. Travelling from Newry to the Ards would be quite a trek
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 18, 2022, 06:24:21 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 18, 2022, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 18, 2022, 05:02:20 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 18, 2022, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 18, 2022, 02:40:39 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 18, 2022, 09:18:47 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 18, 2022, 02:40:20 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 17, 2022, 08:22:27 PM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/gaelic-games-and-british-army-history-to-be-central-in-new-10m-down-gaa-centre-41520176.html

The link for anyone interested... Ironic the story was run close too Easter.. Betrayal and 30 pieces of silver come too mind

Slightly off topic (as an outsider) is it not a strange location for a centre of excellence? Would it be considered central to the clubs in Down? Some drive for the Belfast clubs who potentially could be pivotal to Downs success in the future (given their huge numbers n growth).
Its actually fairly central. Roughly 40-45 mins from the most northern clubs in bredagh/east belfast, 45 mins from most southern club in An Riocht and 40 mins from Banbridge the most western club

How far from the 3 Ards' clubs
Depends on the boat sailings but from Ballycran its 1 hr going by the boat or around by the lough in the car.

Ok.  Will the Down hurlers train there or is that too far away or central now they have Newry Shamrock and Liatroim players etc. on board now?
I'd say everyone is to train at Ballykinler. Travelling from Newry to the Ards would be quite a trek

As is the Ards to Newry but that never bothered previous county boards....
Senior hurlers were training in the Dub, that might change with the brighter nights but the Red High seems to be the venue of choice for the underage county hurling squads at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on April 18, 2022, 09:19:08 PM
Wobbler , some breaking news , Centre of Excellence will be in Ballykinlar and all your crying about distance , location etc won't change that decision.
Where else is there ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 18, 2022, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 18, 2022, 09:21:06 AM
Central?

Perhaps geographically.

In terms of proximity to where Down people live and work, it's the middle of nowhere.

I don't disagree with the (lack of) proximity to the A1 argument. If Down are going to play matches in Ballykinlar, then its in an extremely poor position relative to the rest of Ireland.

If it were my call - I think I'd have been looking around the Annaclone/Drumgath area - and put up separate pitches for hurling much nearer the Ards contingent.


But in general, the problem is well beyond the county board - roadlinks across the county are a f**king disgrace. I've real concerns about dozens of young fellas driving to/from training in Ballykinlar several times per week.

The cumulative miles on shite roads add up. Probability of a bad accident will stack up over time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 18, 2022, 09:29:02 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on April 18, 2022, 09:19:08 PM
Wobbler , some breaking news , Centre of Excellence will be in Ballykinlar and all your crying about distance , location etc won't change that decision.
Where else is there ?

My whinging won't change a thing. Just highlighting that a British Army museum on the site isn't much of an issue..... especially not compared to the location of the site.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on April 18, 2022, 10:24:10 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 18, 2022, 09:22:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 18, 2022, 09:21:06 AM
Central?

Perhaps geographically.

In terms of proximity to where Down people live and work, it's the middle of nowhere.

I don't disagree with the (lack of) proximity to the A1 argument. If Down are going to play matches in Ballykinlar, then its in an extremely poor position relative to the rest of Ireland.

If it were my call - I think I'd have been looking around the Annaclone/Drumgath area - and put up separate pitches for hurling much nearer the Ards contingent.


But in general, the problem is well beyond the county board - roadlinks across the county are a f**king disgrace. I've real concerns about dozens of young fellas driving to/from training in Ballykinlar several times per week.

The cumulative miles on shite roads add up. Probability of a bad accident will stack up over time.
There are members of the current Down football panel who have to travel 36 miles and 1 hour to get to newry and even Annaclone/Drumgath . The furthest clubs from ballykinlar are 27 miles away. Furthest clubs from newry/Banbridge/Annaclone  are ~ 40 miles away.
A lot of county players live in belfast and ballykinlar is closer to belfast than any other proposed alternatives . It's only 13 miles away from our Allireland champions Kilcoo .
It's only 8 miles from the "centre of the county" in Castlewellan, it's within 20 minutes of half the clubs in Down. It's close to 11 clubs who currently don't have match floodlights, opening up floodlit match venues to alleviate fixture issues .  It's only 16 miles from the ferry , compared to 32miles to the Dub where Down hurlers currently train. It has a natural soil quality and climate much more sustainable and attractive than rivals such as garvaghy and owenbeg, or other venues in Down . Positioning  of a Down centre of excellence should consider optimal cumulative travel for training for Down players, not convenience for opposition , especially since we have a well positioned Intercounty match venue in Newry. Demographic s would indicate that most  growth and potential in GAA in Down is in the north east of the county and any venue should be convenient to this area. And we are getting Ballykinlar for free with a quick turnaround. I wasn't sold on ballykinlar originally but on considering every other proposed alternative, No other venue even comes close to the benefits of Ballykinlar.  There are strong clubs and corporate potential in and around Newry but Páirc Esler already provides a superb venue and commercial focus, ballykinlar actually enables Down to spread the commercial net further by having a quality base in East Down. The time for debate is over, rather it's time for getting behind ballykinlar.  I agree with a lot of your views Wobbler but I genuinely think you're wrong on this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 18, 2022, 10:33:27 PM
The problem here is that for as long as you continue to measures distances to Ballyk in miles instead of hours and minutes, then we will likely never agree. 27 miles to Ballyk doesn't mean 27 mins.... It means at least an hour of bendy roads, small villages, cyclists, tractors and 5-mile detours for roadworks.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on April 18, 2022, 10:59:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 18, 2022, 10:33:27 PM
The problem here is that for as long as you continue to measures distances to Ballyk in miles instead of hours and minutes, then we will likely never agree. 27 miles to Ballyk doesn't mean 27 mins.... It means at least an hour of bendy roads, small villages, cyclists, tractors and 5-mile detours for roadworks.
That's what we've had to put up with for years Wobbler. The reality is that Aughlisnafin would be perfect location in terms of convenience for most , but there's nothing available, it's on top of a hill and doesn't have the soil quality ( Owenbeg  and garvaghy have problems in this regard) . A drive from South Down of a further 10 minutes from aughlisnafin is as good as we're going to get. If you can suggest an alternative available venue 10 minutes south of the Fin, providing the low lying, climatic, soil quality of ballykinlar ( even disregarding the low cost) , I'm sure East Down clubs would be prepared to make the sacrifice of venturing further south, but such an alternative doesn't exist , and we need action urgently as lack of suitable training venue continues to hold us back. Garvaghy and Owenbeg are ~30 miles from the gaa hinterlands of east Tyrone and south Derry , but they were the most suitable available locations , and the benefit of excellent facilities for training has overridden those raw geographical concerns.
I think there are plans to improve the Clough to Ballykinlar road ,which should be an additional focus for the Ballykinlar project team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 18, 2022, 11:22:41 PM
I don't think many people have been to the place in awhile but lads you would be lucky to do clough to Kinlar in 10 minutes it's that bad a road
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on April 19, 2022, 09:12:55 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 18, 2022, 11:22:41 PM
I don't think many people have been to the place in awhile but lads you would be lucky to do clough to Kinlar in 10 minutes it's that bad a road
Google maps which errs on the side of caution indicates ballykinlar is 10 mins from aughlisnafin and 7 minutes from Clough. I accept It ain't perfect but it's as close to perfect we are going to get
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 19, 2022, 09:46:23 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 18, 2022, 11:22:41 PM
I don't think many people have been to the place in awhile but lads you would be lucky to do clough to Kinlar in 10 minutes it's that bad a road

Time is one thing, the amount of blind narrow corners is another.

Parents and players racing down those roads to make training/matches on time doesn't make for a great mix.

Hopefully they can be improved - but thats far outside the county board's hands and influence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 19, 2022, 10:47:30 AM
So it would seem the main concern people have is that the Gaels of Down are terrible drivers, as opposed to the actual location. Less than 10mins from Clough is correct. And if you can't navigate that road safely then you should not be on the road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 19, 2022, 10:55:13 AM
The road between Clough and Ballykinlar, wouldnt be any more dangerous than the roads between kilcoo and Hilltown, and Hilltown and Mayobridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 19, 2022, 11:38:22 AM
Did Bredagh win the A feile yesterday?

They'd be favourites for the hurling one this weekend as well....

Might need to move the centre of excellence further north....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 19, 2022, 01:32:14 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 19, 2022, 10:55:13 AM
The road between Clough and Ballykinlar, wouldnt be any more dangerous than the roads between kilcoo and Hilltown, and Hilltown and Mayobridge.

What planet are you on?

The road from Kilcoo to Hilltown and on to Mayobridge is an A-road, no pinch points and is marked the whole way.

Conversely, the road from Clough to Ballykinlar might not even be graded a B-road, has only sections that are marked and has several pinch points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 19, 2022, 01:37:51 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on April 19, 2022, 10:47:30 AM
So it would seem the main concern people have is that the Gaels of Down are terrible drivers, as opposed to the actual location. Less than 10mins from Clough is correct. And if you can't navigate that road safely then you should not be on the road.

Not at all - and I don't speak for "people", just myself.

The location is too inaccessible for every other county in Ireland for matches and its main virtue appears to be that it is by-and-by large equally inaccessible for most in the county.


The argument over drainage is an irrelevance IMO. These days, there are are these marvelous things called lorries and they can transport sand to a place of your choosing. Couple that with a cutting edge new invention called a digger and any field that isn't already in a bog can be well drained - even then bogs can be drained too if you've a bit of height to work with!


[and my concern is - your asking young fellas in their teens and early 20s to travel down the same shite road scores of times a year to training. Do young fellas always drive with due care and attention? I sure as hell didn't]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 19, 2022, 01:52:59 PM
Noted few points following my question on the location of the centre of excellence. Having a quick look at the map again there. Would Loughinisland be more suitable?

On the feile that's some going for Bredagh. Surely Down are sitting on a potential gold mine with players from Bredagh, Carryduff and maybe one day East Belfast in the next 10-15 years. If those city players are integrated with the established rural clubs it could be exciting times ahead!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 19, 2022, 03:11:15 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 19, 2022, 01:52:59 PM
Noted few points following my question on the location of the centre of excellence. Having a quick look at the map again there. Would Loughinisland be more suitable?

On the feile that's some going for Bredagh. Surely Down are sitting on a potential gold mine with players from Bredagh, Carryduff and maybe one day East Belfast in the next 10-15 years. If those city players are integrated with the established rural clubs it could be exciting times ahead!
for me the ideal location is somewhere close to castlewellan, better roads and easily accessible from all areas. Ballykinlar no matter how people try to argue in favour, is in the middle of nowhere.

Bredagh, Carryduff have been strong now at underage for a few years and are starting to reap rewards at senior. It's trying to keep the players dedicated to the club and continuing into senior that sometimes the city clubs have more problems with than rural clubs,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 19, 2022, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 19, 2022, 03:11:15 PM
Bredagh, Carryduff have been strong now at underage for a few years and are starting to reap rewards at senior. It's trying to keep the players dedicated to the club and continuing into senior that sometimes the city clubs have more problems with than rural clubs,

Success usually breeds success.

The youngsters will see the seniors going well and will want in on it. The chance of winning a Championship or two down the line will entice fellas to head to training rather than the pub.


Without wanting to criticise or otherwise, is there something in what Bredagh/Carryduff are doing that would be useful to the Newry clubs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 19, 2022, 09:02:33 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 19, 2022, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 19, 2022, 03:11:15 PM
Bredagh, Carryduff have been strong now at underage for a few years and are starting to reap rewards at senior. It's trying to keep the players dedicated to the club and continuing into senior that sometimes the city clubs have more problems with than rural clubs,

Success usually breeds success.

The youngsters will see the seniors going well and will want in on it. The chance of winning a Championship or two down the line will entice fellas to head to training rather than the pub.


Without wanting to criticise or otherwise, is there something in what Bredagh/Carryduff are doing that would be useful to the Newry clubs?

In my personal opinion... Unless Newry can attract the same standard of jobs/salary as Belfast then I don't see Newry clubs being big hitters on the club/county scene for some while. Mitchell's is all but gone with Bosco fighting relegation from Div 3 these days. Shamrocks doing ok but should be doing better.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 19, 2022, 09:12:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 19, 2022, 09:02:33 PM
In my personal opinion... Unless Newry can attract the same standard of jobs/salary as Belfast then I don't see Newry clubs being big hitters on the club/county scene for some while. Mitchell's is all but gone with Bosco fighting relegation from Div 3 these days. Shamrocks doing ok but should be doing better.

Sorry, don't get the logic?

Unless your suggesting people of 10-35 years old are moving out of Newry in significant numbers?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 19, 2022, 09:13:20 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 19, 2022, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 19, 2022, 03:11:15 PM
Bredagh, Carryduff have been strong now at underage for a few years and are starting to reap rewards at senior. It's trying to keep the players dedicated to the club and continuing into senior that sometimes the city clubs have more problems with than rural clubs,

Success usually breeds success.

The youngsters will see the seniors going well and will want in on it. The chance of winning a Championship or two down the line will entice fellas to head to training rather than the pub.


Without wanting to criticise or otherwise, is there something in what Bredagh/Carryduff are doing that would be useful to the Newry clubs?

I'm happy to be corrected by the locals, but from the outside, a hefty percentage of Carryduff and Bredagh's rise is connected to second generation rural folk thriving on the efforts and identity that their parents drove to create, and continue to drive. They've got urban numbers but something of a "culchie" heart. Having most of their players emanate from 1-2 primary schools  has to be abonus.

I'm not sure this approach will ever happen in Newry. Mourne Red probably isn't far away from the truth with his point about wages. It runs deeper than that. But gaining an occasional influx of GAA mad coaches and admins who want their children to be part of a club, cannot be understated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on April 19, 2022, 09:25:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2022, 09:13:20 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 19, 2022, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 19, 2022, 03:11:15 PM
Bredagh, Carryduff have been strong now at underage for a few years and are starting to reap rewards at senior. It's trying to keep the players dedicated to the club and continuing into senior that sometimes the city clubs have more problems with than rural clubs,

Success usually breeds success.

The youngsters will see the seniors going well and will want in on it. The chance of winning a Championship or two down the line will entice fellas to head to training rather than the pub.


Without wanting to criticise or otherwise, is there something in what Bredagh/Carryduff are doing that would be useful to the Newry clubs?

I'm happy to be corrected by the locals, but from the outside, a hefty percentage of Carryduff and Bredagh's rise is connected to second generation rural folk thriving on the efforts and identity that their parents drove to create, and continue to drive. They've got urban numbers but something of a "culchie" heart. Having most of their players emanate from 1-2 primary schools  has to be abonus.

I'm not sure this approach will ever happen in Newry. Mourne Red probably isn't far away from the truth with his point about wages. It runs deeper than that. But gaining an occasional influx of GAA mad coaches and admins who want their children to be part of a club, cannot be understated.

What leagues are the Newry clubs in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 19, 2022, 09:36:26 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 19, 2022, 09:12:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 19, 2022, 09:02:33 PM
In my personal opinion... Unless Newry can attract the same standard of jobs/salary as Belfast then I don't see Newry clubs being big hitters on the club/county scene for some while. Mitchell's is all but gone with Bosco fighting relegation from Div 3 these days. Shamrocks doing ok but should be doing better.

Sorry, don't get the logic?

Unless your suggesting people of 10-35 years old are moving out of Newry in significant numbers?

Not moving out but Newry has soccer, rugby, Hurling etc as other options to play and when it comes to senior level majority of players coming through the ranks are going to Uni at 18 then after those 3 years they find a job which more often than not is located in Belfast? So travelling etc.. Of course the local club including Newry clubs could benefit from the WFH culture that has developed from COVID and keep them in the area but a lot of that 20+ age move up to Belfast for work and the interest dwindles in GAA. In some people not everyone obviously
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 19, 2022, 09:38:38 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 19, 2022, 09:25:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2022, 09:13:20 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 19, 2022, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 19, 2022, 03:11:15 PM
Bredagh, Carryduff have been strong now at underage for a few years and are starting to reap rewards at senior. It's trying to keep the players dedicated to the club and continuing into senior that sometimes the city clubs have more problems with than rural clubs,

Success usually breeds success.

The youngsters will see the seniors going well and will want in on it. The chance of winning a Championship or two down the line will entice fellas to head to training rather than the pub.


Without wanting to criticise or otherwise, is there something in what Bredagh/Carryduff are doing that would be useful to the Newry clubs?

I'm happy to be corrected by the locals, but from the outside, a hefty percentage of Carryduff and Bredagh's rise is connected to second generation rural folk thriving on the efforts and identity that their parents drove to create, and continue to drive. They've got urban numbers but something of a "culchie" heart. Having most of their players emanate from 1-2 primary schools  has to be abonus.

I'm not sure this approach will ever happen in Newry. Mourne Red probably isn't far away from the truth with his point about wages. It runs deeper than that. But gaining an occasional influx of GAA mad coaches and admins who want their children to be part of a club, cannot be understated.

What leagues are the Newry clubs in?

Shamrocks and Bosco are in Division 3 and Mitchells are in Div 4 but I'm not sure if they are fielding a team this past year or 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on April 19, 2022, 09:51:57 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 19, 2022, 09:38:38 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 19, 2022, 09:25:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2022, 09:13:20 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 19, 2022, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 19, 2022, 03:11:15 PM
Bredagh, Carryduff have been strong now at underage for a few years and are starting to reap rewards at senior. It's trying to keep the players dedicated to the club and continuing into senior that sometimes the city clubs have more problems with than rural clubs,

Success usually breeds success.

The youngsters will see the seniors going well and will want in on it. The chance of winning a Championship or two down the line will entice fellas to head to training rather than the pub.


Without wanting to criticise or otherwise, is there something in what Bredagh/Carryduff are doing that would be useful to the Newry clubs?

I'm happy to be corrected by the locals, but from the outside, a hefty percentage of Carryduff and Bredagh's rise is connected to second generation rural folk thriving on the efforts and identity that their parents drove to create, and continue to drive. They've got urban numbers but something of a "culchie" heart. Having most of their players emanate from 1-2 primary schools  has to be abonus.

I'm not sure this approach will ever happen in Newry. Mourne Red probably isn't far away from the truth with his point about wages. It runs deeper than that. But gaining an occasional influx of GAA mad coaches and admins who want their children to be part of a club, cannot be understated.

What leagues are the Newry clubs in?

Shamrocks and Bosco are in Division 3 and Mitchells are in Div 4 but I'm not sure if they are fielding a team this past year or 2

Thanks.

Just 3 senior football clubs in Newry and in Div. 3 and 4.

That's quite disappointing. Like Derry City in a way.

Funny how Belfast has senior Div. 1 hurling and football clubs.

Is there much rugby and soccer around Newry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 20, 2022, 11:51:29 AM
A lot is being made out of a museum at Ballykinlar but like it or not there is a lot of history there and I doubt it will be a shrine to the Army. People like Tadhg Barry need to be remembered and I am sure that both parties can ensure a history of the camp is told.

Newry has more than three clubs, Thomas Davis  Corrishego is a Newry club and would take a lot of players from Barcroft. Killeavy although out of the Town would get a lot of players from the Dublin Road and even Drumalane. Ballyholland Harps would have the pick of the Courteney hill, church street and monks hills.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 20, 2022, 12:23:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 20, 2022, 11:51:29 AM
A lot is being made out of a museum at Ballykinlar but like it or not there is a lot of history there and I doubt it will be a shrine to the Army. People like Tadhg Barry need to be remembered and I am sure that both parties can ensure a history of the camp is told.

Newry has more than three clubs, Thomas Davis  Corrishego is a Newry club and would take a lot of players from Barcroft. Killeavy although out of the Town would get a lot of players from the Dublin Road and even Drumalane. Ballyholland Harps would have the pick of the Courteney hill, church street and monks hills.

A lot of collusion not History.. For the sake of your students I hope you're not in the history department of your school
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 20, 2022, 12:44:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 20, 2022, 12:23:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 20, 2022, 11:51:29 AM
A lot is being made out of a museum at Ballykinlar but like it or not there is a lot of history there and I doubt it will be a shrine to the Army. People like Tadhg Barry need to be remembered and I am sure that both parties can ensure a history of the camp is told.

Newry has more than three clubs, Thomas Davis  Corrishego is a Newry club and would take a lot of players from Barcroft. Killeavy although out of the Town would get a lot of players from the Dublin Road and even Drumalane. Ballyholland Harps would have the pick of the Courteney hill, church street and monks hills.

A lot of collusion not History.. For the sake of your students I hope you're not in the history department of your school


Collusion, Internment, torture, murder, suicide etc

Do we forget about that ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 20, 2022, 02:16:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 20, 2022, 12:44:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 20, 2022, 12:23:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 20, 2022, 11:51:29 AM
A lot is being made out of a museum at Ballykinlar but like it or not there is a lot of history there and I doubt it will be a shrine to the Army. People like Tadhg Barry need to be remembered and I am sure that both parties can ensure a history of the camp is told.

Newry has more than three clubs, Thomas Davis  Corrishego is a Newry club and would take a lot of players from Barcroft. Killeavy although out of the Town would get a lot of players from the Dublin Road and even Drumalane. Ballyholland Harps would have the pick of the Courteney hill, church street and monks hills.

A lot of collusion not History.. For the sake of your students I hope you're not in the history department of your school


Collusion, Internment, torture, murder, suicide etc

Do we forget about that ?

Seems by your previous comment you have
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 21, 2022, 07:38:28 PM
Any official word (results) of the two games last week that were or were not abandoned?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on April 21, 2022, 08:50:41 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 20, 2022, 12:44:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 20, 2022, 12:23:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 20, 2022, 11:51:29 AM
A lot is being made out of a museum at Ballykinlar but like it or not there is a lot of history there and I doubt it will be a shrine to the Army. People like Tadhg Barry need to be remembered and I am sure that both parties can ensure a history of the camp is told.

Newry has more than three clubs, Thomas Davis  Corrishego is a Newry club and would take a lot of players from Barcroft. Killeavy although out of the Town would get a lot of players from the Dublin Road and even Drumalane. Ballyholland Harps would have the pick of the Courteney hill, church street and monks hills.

A lot of collusion not History.. For the sake of your students I hope you're not in the history department of your school


Collusion, Internment, torture, murder, suicide etc

Do we forget about that ?

Wtf are you on about ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 21, 2022, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 21, 2022, 07:38:28 PM
Any official word (results) of the two games last week that were or were not abandoned?
Can't see why An Riocht can't be awarded the win in their game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 21, 2022, 11:17:56 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 21, 2022, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 21, 2022, 07:38:28 PM
Any official word (results) of the two games last week that were or were not abandoned?
Can't see why An Riocht can't be awarded the win in their game
I agree with you but not our decision.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 22, 2022, 08:42:02 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 21, 2022, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 21, 2022, 07:38:28 PM
Any official word (results) of the two games last week that were or were not abandoned?
Can't see why An Riocht can't be awarded the win in their game

I heard about this one and by all accounts, Darragh pulled a stroke and the Kingdom are appealing the decision. Are we going down that route of feigning serious injuries to get games abandoned? We need to cop on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on April 22, 2022, 11:18:06 AM
I think in soccer if a game is abandoned after 77 minutes or some random number anyway that the result stands, is there no similar rules in the GAA?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 22, 2022, 01:42:25 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 22, 2022, 08:42:02 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 21, 2022, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 21, 2022, 07:38:28 PM
Any official word (results) of the two games last week that were or were not abandoned?
Can't see why An Riocht can't be awarded the win in their game

I heard about this one and by all accounts, Darragh pulled a stroke and the Kingdom are appealing the decision. Are we going down that route of feigning serious injuries to get games abandoned? We need to cop on.

Was there not a DC player badly injured which led to game being called off?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 22, 2022, 01:57:57 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 22, 2022, 01:42:25 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 22, 2022, 08:42:02 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 21, 2022, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 21, 2022, 07:38:28 PM
Any official word (results) of the two games last week that were or were not abandoned?
Can't see why An Riocht can't be awarded the win in their game

I heard about this one and by all accounts, Darragh pulled a stroke and the Kingdom are appealing the decision. Are we going down that route of feigning serious injuries to get games abandoned? We need to cop on.

Was there not a DC player badly injured which led to game being called off?
Was only 'seriously' injured for 35 minutes when the Darragh Cross doctor told him he was allowed to get up. Police had already arrived and they tried to call off the ambulance. He wasn't injured enough to get off the field. Only was hurt when DJ told him to get back onto the pitch and lie down again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 22, 2022, 02:38:03 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 22, 2022, 01:57:57 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 22, 2022, 01:42:25 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 22, 2022, 08:42:02 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 21, 2022, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 21, 2022, 07:38:28 PM
Any official word (results) of the two games last week that were or were not abandoned?
Can't see why An Riocht can't be awarded the win in their game

I heard about this one and by all accounts, Darragh pulled a stroke and the Kingdom are appealing the decision. Are we going down that route of feigning serious injuries to get games abandoned? We need to cop on.

Was there not a DC player badly injured which led to game being called off?
Was only 'seriously' injured for 35 minutes when the Darragh Cross doctor told him he was allowed to get up. Police had already arrived and they tried to call off the ambulance. He wasn't injured enough to get off the field. Only was hurt when DJ told him to get back onto the pitch and lie down again
Police?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 22, 2022, 04:15:13 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 22, 2022, 02:38:03 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 22, 2022, 01:57:57 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 22, 2022, 01:42:25 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 22, 2022, 08:42:02 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 21, 2022, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on April 21, 2022, 07:38:28 PM
Any official word (results) of the two games last week that were or were not abandoned?
Can't see why An Riocht can't be awarded the win in their game

I heard about this one and by all accounts, Darragh pulled a stroke and the Kingdom are appealing the decision. Are we going down that route of feigning serious injuries to get games abandoned? We need to cop on.

Was there not a DC player badly injured which led to game being called off?
Was only 'seriously' injured for 35 minutes when the Darragh Cross doctor told him he was allowed to get up. Police had already arrived and they tried to call off the ambulance. He wasn't injured enough to get off the field. Only was hurt when DJ told him to get back onto the pitch and lie down again
Police?
/
Police had to respond as the ambulance was treating it as a serious incident
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 22, 2022, 05:53:42 PM
Jeez lads that's a serious accusation that any player would feign such a serious injury or that any management team would encourage it.

I just don't think any team is that cynical.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 22, 2022, 05:59:34 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 22, 2022, 05:53:42 PM
Jeez lads that's a serious accusation that any player would feign such a serious injury or that any management team would encourage it.

Absolutely correct

Quote
I just don't think any team is that cynical.
Unfortunately, this one is wide of the mark.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 22, 2022, 07:23:56 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 22, 2022, 05:59:34 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 22, 2022, 05:53:42 PM
Jeez lads that's a serious accusation that any player would feign such a serious injury or that any management team would encourage it.

Absolutely correct

Quote
I just don't think any team is that cynical.
Unfortunately, this one is wide of the mark.


Really? In a league game? Most clubs are run & supported by good people who wouldn't tolerate that?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on April 22, 2022, 09:10:31 PM
The police are responding to a lot of calls these days as waiting times for an ambulance if you can even get one are ridiculous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 22, 2022, 09:32:08 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on April 22, 2022, 05:53:42 PM
Jeez lads that's a serious accusation that any player would feign such a serious injury or that any management team would encourage it.

I just don't think any team is that cynical.
Unfortunately in this case it is a matter of fact that DJ Kane told their player to go back on the pitch and lie down after he was helped off the field by a member of their panel after being shown a straight red. DJ knew the rules and was willing to bend them even when 12 points down when they should have just accepted that they would go on to get beat being a man down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Betsy Gray on April 22, 2022, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 19, 2022, 11:38:22 AM
Did Bredagh win the A feile yesterday?

They'd be favourites for the hurling one this weekend as well....

Might need to move the centre of excellence further north....

I know that was a tongue in cheek post but the reality is the potential for mass participation in Gaelic games in the greater Belfast area is not being seized. Bredagh and Carryduff are both well run clubs with huge numbers but they simply cannot be expected to serve the entire population of greater south belfast.

There is a serious amount of people moving from rural areas, particularly west of the Bann, who simply drift away from the GAA when they settle in Belfast. Not because they lack interest but because they are well aware that the existing clubs are well over subscribed with players. It appears that no one had any idea that such a number of GAA minded people lived in the East Belfast area yet within a year they had entered teams in all 4 codes. I would estimate that there are enough non affiliated GAA minded people in greater South Belfast to cater for another 2 clubs.

P.S. I don't think this is just a problem for Down GAA it is a problem for the GAA centrally given the demographic shift.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 23, 2022, 07:11:35 AM
CPN got a royal roasting last night. My god as much as it pains me to say it - Burren were simply awesome. Better in every position on the pitch. My question is - are Burren back and going to stay around for the long haul this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on April 23, 2022, 08:59:46 AM
Carryduff desreved their win at Clonduff last night. Their corner forward (no 13, I think) is someone to watch out for; scored a beautiful point, then a goal, before shipping a heavy challenge and being taken off at the end of the first half. The challenge received a black card, tho possibly merited a red.
Ref had a good game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 23, 2022, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: Betsy Gray on April 22, 2022, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 19, 2022, 11:38:22 AM
Did Bredagh win the A feile yesterday?

They'd be favourites for the hurling one this weekend as well....

Might need to move the centre of excellence further north....

I know that was a tongue in cheek post but the reality is the potential for mass participation in Gaelic games in the greater Belfast area is not being seized. Bredagh and Carryduff are both well run clubs with huge numbers but they simply cannot be expected to serve the entire population of greater south belfast.

There is a serious amount of people moving from rural areas, particularly west of the Bann, who simply drift away from the GAA when they settle in Belfast. Not because they lack interest but because they are well aware that the existing clubs are well over subscribed with players. It appears that no one had any idea that such a number of GAA minded people lived in the East Belfast area yet within a year they had entered teams in all 4 codes. I would estimate that there are enough non affiliated GAA minded people in greater South Belfast to cater for another 2 clubs.

P.S. I don't think this is just a problem for Down GAA it is a problem for the GAA centrally given the demographic shift.

The bigger problem is pitches, we have to pay Belfast CC a fortune to rent pitches, East Belfast are using at least three locations, and Carryduff have land and look to be developing a third pitch. Green spaces are at a premium in Belfast and any that do become available we would be up against developers. Well, that's 3 wins out of three for our seniors, just need to keep that focus for every game and see what happens. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 23, 2022, 12:53:30 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 23, 2022, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: Betsy Gray on April 22, 2022, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 19, 2022, 11:38:22 AM
Did Bredagh win the A feile yesterday?

They'd be favourites for the hurling one this weekend as well....

Might need to move the centre of excellence further north....

I know that was a tongue in cheek post but the reality is the potential for mass participation in Gaelic games in the greater Belfast area is not being seized. Bredagh and Carryduff are both well run clubs with huge numbers but they simply cannot be expected to serve the entire population of greater south belfast.

There is a serious amount of people moving from rural areas, particularly west of the Bann, who simply drift away from the GAA when they settle in Belfast. Not because they lack interest but because they are well aware that the existing clubs are well over subscribed with players. It appears that no one had any idea that such a number of GAA minded people lived in the East Belfast area yet within a year they had entered teams in all 4 codes. I would estimate that there are enough non affiliated GAA minded people in greater South Belfast to cater for another 2 clubs.

P.S. I don't think this is just a problem for Down GAA it is a problem for the GAA centrally given the demographic shift.

The bigger problem is pitches, we have to pay Belfast CC a fortune to rent pitches, East Belfast are using at least three locations, and Carryduff have land and look to be developing a third pitch. Green spaces are at a premium in Belfast and any that do become available we would be up against developers. Well, that's 3 wins out of three for our seniors, just need to keep that focus for every game and see what happens.
Pat Havern has been a big miss for us so far.Were you missing many last night?You looked to have a couple of young ones starting last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 23, 2022, 12:57:17 PM
Yip, we had to as a few out, but sure everyone has.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Betsy Gray on April 24, 2022, 10:44:07 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 23, 2022, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: Betsy Gray on April 22, 2022, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 19, 2022, 11:38:22 AM
Did Bredagh win the A feile yesterday?

They'd be favourites for the hurling one this weekend as well....

Might need to move the centre of excellence further north....

I know that was a tongue in cheek post but the reality is the potential for mass participation in Gaelic games in the greater Belfast area is not being seized. Bredagh and Carryduff are both well run clubs with huge numbers but they simply cannot be expected to serve the entire population of greater south belfast.

There is a serious amount of people moving from rural areas, particularly west of the Bann, who simply drift away from the GAA when they settle in Belfast. Not because they lack interest but because they are well aware that the existing clubs are well over subscribed with players. It appears that no one had any idea that such a number of GAA minded people lived in the East Belfast area yet within a year they had entered teams in all 4 codes. I would estimate that there are enough non affiliated GAA minded people in greater South Belfast to cater for another 2 clubs.

P.S. I don't think this is just a problem for Down GAA it is a problem for the GAA centrally given the demographic shift.

The bigger problem is pitches, we have to pay Belfast CC a fortune to rent pitches, East Belfast are using at least three locations, and Carryduff have land and look to be developing a third pitch. Green spaces are at a premium in Belfast and any that do become available we would be up against developers. Well, that's 3 wins out of three for our seniors, just need to keep that focus for every game and see what happens.

No doubt pitches and playing facilities are the massive problem. That is why I think it is difficult to point the finger. It is an issue for the GAA centrally to look at in terms of securing funding for land for pitches in places where facilities are lacking. Or at the very least applying pressure to public bodies to secure access to public pitches.

I am not sure if the urban shift is having a similar effect in other cities but the difference in Belfast is that Gaelic games are now thriving in areas where they were traditionally barely existing. The flood of people migrating to south and east Belfast is going to continue. The question for the GAA is whether they want the next generation participating in Gaelic games. The current clubs do outstanding work. But no matter how outstanding they are they cannot be expected to manage and cater for the sheer volume of population.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 25, 2022, 07:17:24 AM
Hard to believe Down play a championship game this Saturday, there's zero buzz or appetite for the game after the league campaign and what's happened since basically just want this season over and done with.  Realistically will do very well to get within 10/12 pts of Monaghan. Any idea of who's still involved with the squad? Or who's been called in,? Would be very hard to predict the starting 15 at this stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 25, 2022, 09:38:57 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 23, 2022, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: Betsy Gray on April 22, 2022, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 19, 2022, 11:38:22 AM
Did Bredagh win the A feile yesterday?

They'd be favourites for the hurling one this weekend as well....

Might need to move the centre of excellence further north....

I know that was a tongue in cheek post but the reality is the potential for mass participation in Gaelic games in the greater Belfast area is not being seized. Bredagh and Carryduff are both well run clubs with huge numbers but they simply cannot be expected to serve the entire population of greater south belfast.

There is a serious amount of people moving from rural areas, particularly west of the Bann, who simply drift away from the GAA when they settle in Belfast. Not because they lack interest but because they are well aware that the existing clubs are well over subscribed with players. It appears that no one had any idea that such a number of GAA minded people lived in the East Belfast area yet within a year they had entered teams in all 4 codes. I would estimate that there are enough non affiliated GAA minded people in greater South Belfast to cater for another 2 clubs.

P.S. I don't think this is just a problem for Down GAA it is a problem for the GAA centrally given the demographic shift.

The bigger problem is pitches, we have to pay Belfast CC a fortune to rent pitches, East Belfast are using at least three locations, and Carryduff have land and look to be developing a third pitch. Green spaces are at a premium in Belfast and any that do become available we would be up against developers. Well, that's 3 wins out of three for our seniors, just need to keep that focus for every game and see what happens.

I lived up that part of the world and was astounded that Hydebank playing fields for at least 2 months in summer was never used. Time to approach whatever Council who own it to get a few sets of GAA posts up during the summer.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on April 25, 2022, 09:39:34 AM
It's a baseball ground in the summer  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 25, 2022, 09:59:52 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 25, 2022, 09:38:57 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 23, 2022, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: Betsy Gray on April 22, 2022, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 19, 2022, 11:38:22 AM
Did Bredagh win the A feile yesterday?

They'd be favourites for the hurling one this weekend as well....

Might need to move the centre of excellence further north....

I know that was a tongue in cheek post but the reality is the potential for mass participation in Gaelic games in the greater Belfast area is not being seized. Bredagh and Carryduff are both well run clubs with huge numbers but they simply cannot be expected to serve the entire population of greater south belfast.

There is a serious amount of people moving from rural areas, particularly west of the Bann, who simply drift away from the GAA when they settle in Belfast. Not because they lack interest but because they are well aware that the existing clubs are well over subscribed with players. It appears that no one had any idea that such a number of GAA minded people lived in the East Belfast area yet within a year they had entered teams in all 4 codes. I would estimate that there are enough non affiliated GAA minded people in greater South Belfast to cater for another 2 clubs.

P.S. I don't think this is just a problem for Down GAA it is a problem for the GAA centrally given the demographic shift.

The bigger problem is pitches, we have to pay Belfast CC a fortune to rent pitches, East Belfast are using at least three locations, and Carryduff have land and look to be developing a third pitch. Green spaces are at a premium in Belfast and any that do become available we would be up against developers. Well, that's 3 wins out of three for our seniors, just need to keep that focus for every game and see what happens.

I lived up that part of the world and was astounded that Hydebank playing fields for at least 2 months in summer was never used. Time to approach whatever Council who own it to get a few sets of GAA posts up during the summer.

Been tried, posts up one day, removed the next, up again this time reinforced, down two days later.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 25, 2022, 10:49:57 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 25, 2022, 09:59:52 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 25, 2022, 09:38:57 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 23, 2022, 12:48:51 PM
Quote from: Betsy Gray on April 22, 2022, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 19, 2022, 11:38:22 AM
Did Bredagh win the A feile yesterday?

They'd be favourites for the hurling one this weekend as well....

Might need to move the centre of excellence further north....

I know that was a tongue in cheek post but the reality is the potential for mass participation in Gaelic games in the greater Belfast area is not being seized. Bredagh and Carryduff are both well run clubs with huge numbers but they simply cannot be expected to serve the entire population of greater south belfast.

There is a serious amount of people moving from rural areas, particularly west of the Bann, who simply drift away from the GAA when they settle in Belfast. Not because they lack interest but because they are well aware that the existing clubs are well over subscribed with players. It appears that no one had any idea that such a number of GAA minded people lived in the East Belfast area yet within a year they had entered teams in all 4 codes. I would estimate that there are enough non affiliated GAA minded people in greater South Belfast to cater for another 2 clubs.

P.S. I don't think this is just a problem for Down GAA it is a problem for the GAA centrally given the demographic shift.

The bigger problem is pitches, we have to pay Belfast CC a fortune to rent pitches, East Belfast are using at least three locations, and Carryduff have land and look to be developing a third pitch. Green spaces are at a premium in Belfast and any that do become available we would be up against developers. Well, that's 3 wins out of three for our seniors, just need to keep that focus for every game and see what happens.

I lived up that part of the world and was astounded that Hydebank playing fields for at least 2 months in summer was never used. Time to approach whatever Council who own it to get a few sets of GAA posts up during the summer.

Been tried, posts up one day, removed the next, up again this time reinforced, down two days later.

must be the lads from the Young Offenders centre across the road  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 25, 2022, 12:37:53 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on April 25, 2022, 07:17:24 AM
Hard to believe Down play a championship game this Saturday, there's zero buzz or appetite for the game after the league campaign and what's happened since basically just want this season over and done with.  Realistically will do very well to get within 10/12 pts of Monaghan. Any idea of who's still involved with the squad? Or who's been called in,? Would be very hard to predict the starting 15 at this stage.
I'd imagine quite a small Down crowd will turn up for this game. With the price of fuel and the apathy towards the team   it would be a long return trip.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 25, 2022, 02:44:10 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 25, 2022, 12:37:53 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on April 25, 2022, 07:17:24 AM
Hard to believe Down play a championship game this Saturday, there's zero buzz or appetite for the game after the league campaign and what's happened since basically just want this season over and done with.  Realistically will do very well to get within 10/12 pts of Monaghan. Any idea of who's still involved with the squad? Or who's been called in,? Would be very hard to predict the starting 15 at this stage.
I'd imagine quite a small Down crowd will turn up for this game. With the price of fuel and the apathy towards the team   it would be a long return trip.

Is this game televised?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 25, 2022, 07:57:37 PM
Anyone in the know able to predict the team?
Difficult to know with lads having left the panel since the league.

Truth Hurts what you hearing in the cafés?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 25, 2022, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 25, 2022, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 25, 2022, 02:44:10 PMIs this game televised?

Live on Sky Sports Arena (throw-in 4.30pm), BBC NI will have online highlights shortly after the game is over.
I don't think I will watch it twice.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 25, 2022, 09:58:58 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 25, 2022, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 25, 2022, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 25, 2022, 02:44:10 PMIs this game televised?

Live on Sky Sports Arena (throw-in 4.30pm), BBC NI will have online highlights shortly after the game is over.
I don't think I will watch it twice.

Be a push to watch it once
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 08:41:46 AM
I went to Kilcoo last night to see Burren play them in the minor league. Burren looked very impressive but both were missing county men. Burren look to have strong talent at their disposal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 26, 2022, 09:52:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 08:41:46 AM
I went to Kilcoo last night to see Burren play them in the minor league. Burren looked very impressive but both were missing county men. Burren look to have strong talent at their disposal.
Two strong panels.Did you take in a game last Friday night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 10:31:40 AM
Quote from: SamFever on April 26, 2022, 09:52:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 08:41:46 AM
I went to Kilcoo last night to see Burren play them in the minor league. Burren looked very impressive but both were missing county men. Burren look to have strong talent at their disposal.
Two strong panels.Did you take in a game last Friday night?

No i was away last weekend but hopefully, Bright v Teconnaught on Friday followed by a trip to Clones on Saturday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 26, 2022, 10:35:29 AM
Kilcoo v Burren tomorrow night - Should be a tasty enough fixture.. Can't see Burren giving them too much respect as AI Champs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 11:05:11 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 26, 2022, 10:35:29 AM
Kilcoo v Burren tomorrow night - Should be a tasty enough fixture.. Can't see Burren giving them too much respect as AI Champs.

Cheers for the reminder, should be an interesting fixture. Kilcoo has been magnificent over the last few years but it's only a matter of time before the crown is passed over. That's football for you. I just do not think the magpies want to hand over the crown just yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 12:44:43 PM
Niall Kane,Peter Fegan, Ryan McEvoy , Adam Lynch; Darren O'Hagan, Conor Poland, Daniel Guinness; Anthony Doherty, Niall McParland; Caolan Mooney,Corey Quinn, Odhran Murdock,  Andrew Gilmore, Pat Havern. Barry O'Hagan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 02:10:05 PM
Have the camogie board and lgfa board been involved in negotiatans  for Ballykinlar, will they be contributing or would they need to?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 26, 2022, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 02:10:05 PM
Have the camogie board and lgfa board been involved in negotiatans  for Ballykinlar, will they be contributing or would they need to?

Think it's a Garvaghey type of situation.. Only I hope our County Board don't charge the Camogie/LGFA to use it, should be a place for all Down teams whether under the GAA license or not. Also hopefully by that point the LGFA and Camogie come too their senses and merge into the GAA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 02:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 26, 2022, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 02:10:05 PM
Have the camogie board and lgfa board been involved in negotiatans  for Ballykinlar, will they be contributing or would they need to?

Think it's a Garvaghey type of situation.. Only I hope our County Board don't charge the Camogie/LGFA to use it, should be a place for all Down teams whether under the GAA license or not. Also hopefully by that point the LGFA and Camogie come too their senses and merge into the GAA

The camogie assoication and LGFA get charged for used of Pairc Esler.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 26, 2022, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 02:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 26, 2022, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 02:10:05 PM
Have the camogie board and lgfa board been involved in negotiatans  for Ballykinlar, will they be contributing or would they need to?

Think it's a Garvaghey type of situation.. Only I hope our County Board don't charge the Camogie/LGFA to use it, should be a place for all Down teams whether under the GAA license or not. Also hopefully by that point the LGFA and Camogie come too their senses and merge into the GAA

The camogie assoication and LGFA get charged for used of Pairc Esler.
Proper order.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 03:06:54 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 26, 2022, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 02:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 26, 2022, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 02:10:05 PM
Have the camogie board and lgfa board been involved in negotiatans  for Ballykinlar, will they be contributing or would they need to?

Think it's a Garvaghey type of situation.. Only I hope our County Board don't charge the Camogie/LGFA to use it, should be a place for all Down teams whether under the GAA license or not. Also hopefully by that point the LGFA and Camogie come too their senses and merge into the GAA

The camogie assoication and LGFA get charged for used of Pairc Esler.
Proper order.

misogyny
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 26, 2022, 03:14:53 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 03:06:54 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 26, 2022, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 02:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 26, 2022, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 02:10:05 PM
Have the camogie board and lgfa board been involved in negotiatans  for Ballykinlar, will they be contributing or would they need to?

Think it's a Garvaghey type of situation.. Only I hope our County Board don't charge the Camogie/LGFA to use it, should be a place for all Down teams whether under the GAA license or not. Also hopefully by that point the LGFA and Camogie come too their senses and merge into the GAA

The camogie assoication and LGFA get charged for used of Pairc Esler.
Proper order.

misogyny
It's called Business.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 26, 2022, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 12:44:43 PM
Niall Kane,Peter Fegan, Ryan McEvoy , Adam Lynch; Darren O'Hagan, Conor Poland, Daniel Guinness; Anthony Doherty, Niall McParland; Caolan Mooney,Corey Quinn, Odhran Murdock,  Andrew Gilmore, Pat Havern. Barry O'Hagan

I'm not sure that all of those lads are still on the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 26, 2022, 04:58:44 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 03:06:54 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 26, 2022, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 02:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 26, 2022, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 02:10:05 PM
Have the camogie board and lgfa board been involved in negotiatans  for Ballykinlar, will they be contributing or would they need to?

Think it's a Garvaghey type of situation.. Only I hope our County Board don't charge the Camogie/LGFA to use it, should be a place for all Down teams whether under the GAA license or not. Also hopefully by that point the LGFA and Camogie come too their senses and merge into the GAA

The camogie assoication and LGFA get charged for used of Pairc Esler.
Proper order.

misogyny

It's hardly misogyny. Clubs charge for others to use their grounds, why wouldn't the county board charge a separate body? Yes it maybe should all be combined, but it isn't.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 26, 2022, 06:04:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 03:06:54 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 26, 2022, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 02:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 26, 2022, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 02:10:05 PM
Have the camogie board and lgfa board been involved in negotiatans  for Ballykinlar, will they be contributing or would they need to?

Think it's a Garvaghey type of situation.. Only I hope our County Board don't charge the Camogie/LGFA to use it, should be a place for all Down teams whether under the GAA license or not. Also hopefully by that point the LGFA and Camogie come too their senses and merge into the GAA

The camogie assoication and LGFA get charged for used of Pairc Esler.
Proper order.

misogyny
Meaning="'dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women."
Hardly,I have a mother,two sisters and two daughters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on April 26, 2022, 10:28:37 PM
Could anyone give me a brief on the current guidelines for under 13s. Apologies if discussed before but my understanding is go games rules?. What does that entail ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 27, 2022, 07:18:32 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on April 26, 2022, 10:28:37 PM
Could anyone give me a brief on the current guidelines for under 13s. Apologies if discussed before but my understanding is go games rules?. What does that entail ?
11 and 13 a side. Small nets from 14 to 14. 2 touch football. Whoever gets fouled hits the free. No penalties
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on April 27, 2022, 07:59:40 AM
Well its official, Ballykinlar full steam ahead, planners happy, girls and ladies onboard, they don't have to pay( just make the tea for the men), roads service upgrading Clough to Ballykinlar road, cats eyes etc, including speed bumps and cameras to catch the boy racers, 30mph speed limit, upgrade of Vianstown road from Dpk and Killough Tyrella Road, roads will of the same quality of the Dpk to Newry road which in my opinion is second worst road in Ireland behind Kilkenny to Clonmel road, so Womble and Smurf suck it up , see a part of the world, walk along the beach , breath in good clean fresh air and welcome to Ballykinlar - watch for the traffic cameras !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 27, 2022, 08:39:01 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on April 27, 2022, 07:59:40 AM
Well its official, Ballykinlar full steam ahead, planners happy, girls and ladies onboard, they don't have to pay( just make the tea for the men), roads service upgrading Clough to Ballykinlar road, cats eyes etc, including speed bumps and cameras to catch the boy racers, 30mph speed limit, upgrade of Vianstown road from Dpk and Killough Tyrella Road, roads will of the same quality of the Dpk to Newry road which in my opinion is second worst road in Ireland behind Kilkenny to Clonmel road, so Womble and Smurf suck it up , see a part of the world, walk along the beach , breath in good clean fresh air and welcome to Ballykinlar - watch for the traffic cameras !!

LOL and a big sign just before Greenan's pub ...... Welcome to East Down, home of the Down GAA centre of excellence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 27, 2022, 09:39:55 AM
 Comedians out in full force this morning.The sooner it's finished the better although Derry and others haven't exactly set the world on fire since their Centres were built.We'll see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Betsy Gray on April 27, 2022, 02:45:45 PM
I still cannot get my head around the whole Ballykinlar project bar the land is cheap. I think the wobbler pointed out that the British army picked it for a base because it was remote and hard to get to therefore easy to defend. If the county board are serious about an accessible training facility then surely it needs to be near the A1. I see a previous poster suggested Annaclone. Banbridge Annaclone direction would be the ideal location given the proximity to A1. Obviously that does not work well for the hurlers and means both main bases would be in south down. There is definitely scope for a central facility in east down. But I cannot see how ballykinlar is the proper place for the main county training facility.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 27, 2022, 03:30:46 PM
Quote from: Betsy Gray on April 27, 2022, 02:45:45 PM
I still cannot get my head around the whole Ballykinlar project bar the land is cheap. I think the wobbler pointed out that the British army picked it for a base because it was remote and hard to get to therefore easy to defend. If the county board are serious about an accessible training facility then surely it needs to be near the A1. I see a previous poster suggested Annaclone. Banbridge Annaclone direction would be the ideal location given the proximity to A1. Obviously that does not work well for the hurlers and means both main bases would be in south down. There is definitely scope for a central facility in east down. But I cannot see how ballykinlar is the proper place for the main county training facility.

It's happening regardless.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 27, 2022, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: Betsy Gray on April 27, 2022, 02:45:45 PM
I still cannot get my head around the whole Ballykinlar project bar the land is cheap. I think the wobbler pointed out that the British army picked it for a base because it was remote and hard to get to therefore easy to defend. If the county board are serious about an accessible training facility then surely it needs to be near the A1. I see a previous poster suggested Annaclone. Banbridge Annaclone direction would be the ideal location given the proximity to A1. Obviously that does not work well for the hurlers and means both main bases would be in south down. There is definitely scope for a central facility in east down. But I cannot see how ballykinlar is the proper place for the main county training facility.

very cheap and flat, with natural drainage so pitch development work is relatively straight forward.

I suppose after the Bryansford/Burrenbridge debacle cost is a major issue for any new centre of excellence.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on April 27, 2022, 04:32:02 PM
Quote from: Betsy Gray on April 27, 2022, 02:45:45 PM
I still cannot get my head around the whole Ballykinlar project bar the land is cheap. I think the wobbler pointed out that the British army picked it for a base because it was remote and hard to get to therefore easy to defend. If the county board are serious about an accessible training facility then surely it needs to be near the A1. I see a previous poster suggested Annaclone. Banbridge Annaclone direction would be the ideal location given the proximity to A1. Obviously that does not work well for the hurlers and means both main bases would be in south down. There is definitely scope for a central facility in east down. But I cannot see how ballykinlar is the proper place for the main county training facility.

If we're honest it's a pretty important part to this. Factor in the price of purchase, the land is reasonably flat and naturally free draining, it's nearly perfect. The land does most of the work for you.   Geographically it could be better yes but I can see why it looks appealing to the county board.

A site somewhere between Annaclone and Castlewellan would cost considerably more to develop as it would either be good agricultural land or land you have to spend a fortune on to make good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 27, 2022, 10:25:36 PM
No balls Burren do it again when playing Kilcoo.
Very poor tonight for such a free scoring team in last three games - back to earth with a bang.
Very impressed with some of the young Kilcoo players on view tonight. Callum Rodger's was excellent as was young Hynds.
Can't see Frank O'Hare going anywhere other than Kilcoo this year again!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 28, 2022, 08:11:23 AM
I don't see the uproar about ballykinlar
Give yourself an extra 10 minutes if you are so worried about a 3 mile stretch of the road
Jesus like. It's a bad enough road but hardly any traffic on it what's the big deal
As for the lgfa paying for Newry and why would they not?

Team for Sunday if we have any chance

Kane
O Hagan
McEvoy
Fegan
Laverty
Guiness
Poland
Doherty
Mooney
O Hagen
Quinn
McCormack
Gilmore
Havern
Lynch Sweeper
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 08:50:38 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 28, 2022, 08:11:23 AM
I don't see the uproar about ballykinlar
Give yourself an extra 10 minutes if you are so worried about a 3 mile stretch of the road
Jesus like. It's a bad enough road but hardly any traffic on it what's the big deal
As for the lgfa paying for Newry and why would they not?

Team for Sunday if we have any chance

Kane
O Hagan
McEvoy
Fegan
Laverty
Guiness
Poland
Doherty
Mooney
O Hagen
Quinn
McCormack
Gilmore
Havern
Lynch Sweeper

Does CPN lgfa pay to use your pitches or St Marks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 08:53:06 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 27, 2022, 10:25:36 PM
No balls Burren do it again when playing Kilcoo.
Very poor tonight for such a free scoring team in last three games - back to earth with a bang.
Very impressed with some of the young Kilcoo players on view tonight. Callum Rodger's was excellent as was young Hynds.
Can't see Frank O'Hare going anywhere other than Kilcoo this year again!

Disappointing game but with all their recent underage success Kilcoo seems to be unearthing just as many young players as Burren. Agreed with the performance on Rodgers, looks like a fine prospect
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 28, 2022, 08:57:00 AM
Interesting angle.

Are you saying that because the GAA had the foresight and drive to develop a playing field in every village and town in Ireland, that they should maintain and resource them for use by another association, free of charge?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 28, 2022, 09:01:02 AM
No we don't charge

Why should Down GAA give the Lgfa the pitches free of charge when it is they who are reluctant to come in under the one umbrella?

We don't get St Marks free by the way and rightly so
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 09:10:16 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 28, 2022, 08:57:00 AM
Interesting angle.

Are you saying that because the GAA had the foresight and drive to develop a playing field in every village and town in Ireland, that they should maintain and resource them for use by another association, free of charge?

Do Ballyholland charge the camogs in their club for the use of the GAA facilities?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 09:18:13 AM
BTW I am not saying it is right or wrong to charge but I can see in a couple of years that there is going to be a major conflict due to playing pitches in clubs. Clubs cannot cope with the teams they have at the minute and each club has mothers and others, lads and dads etc etc

I can see some clubs trying too much and keeping everyone happy but stretching the club.

Fair lay to Armagh LGFA for developing a pitch in south Armagh as their base. Where there be a permanent pitch is Down that could be used for LGFA or camogie matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 28, 2022, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 09:10:16 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 28, 2022, 08:57:00 AM
Interesting angle.

Are you saying that because the GAA had the foresight and drive to develop a playing field in every village and town in Ireland, that they should maintain and resource them for use by another association, free of charge?

Do Ballyholland charge the camogs in their club for the use of the GAA facilities?

No. But we have integrated membership options, and we fundraise largely as one club. So it's not the same thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 28, 2022, 10:09:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 09:18:13 AM
BTW I am not saying it is right or wrong to charge but I can see in a couple of years that there is going to be a major conflict due to playing pitches in clubs. Clubs cannot cope with the teams they have at the minute and each club has mothers and others, lads and dads etc etc

I can see some clubs trying too much and keeping everyone happy but stretching the club.

Fair lay to Armagh LGFA for developing a pitch in south Armagh as their base. Where there be a permanent pitch is Down that could be used for LGFA or camogie matches.

Clubs can cope, plenty are making headway in acquiring 2nd pitches as well - plus they just don't have their underage teams training twice a week like you suggested on another thread
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 28, 2022, 10:20:09 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 28, 2022, 10:09:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 09:18:13 AM
BTW I am not saying it is right or wrong to charge but I can see in a couple of years that there is going to be a major conflict due to playing pitches in clubs. Clubs cannot cope with the teams they have at the minute and each club has mothers and others, lads and dads etc etc

I can see some clubs trying too much and keeping everyone happy but stretching the club.

Fair lay to Armagh LGFA for developing a pitch in south Armagh as their base. Where there be a permanent pitch is Down that could be used for LGFA or camogie matches.

Clubs can cope, plenty are making headway in acquiring 2nd pitches as well - plus they just don't have their underage teams training twice a week like you suggested on another thread
The Down CCC do a good job in speading the fixtures throughout the week.Ladies&Camogie Boards generally work around this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 28, 2022, 10:09:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 09:18:13 AM
BTW I am not saying it is right or wrong to charge but I can see in a couple of years that there is going to be a major conflict due to playing pitches in clubs. Clubs cannot cope with the teams they have at the minute and each club has mothers and others, lads and dads etc etc

I can see some clubs trying too much and keeping everyone happy but stretching the club.

Fair lay to Armagh LGFA for developing a pitch in south Armagh as their base. Where there be a permanent pitch is Down that could be used for LGFA or camogie matches.

Clubs can cope, plenty are making headway in acquiring 2nd pitches as well - plus they just don't have their underage teams training twice a week like you suggested on another thread

I still stand over that you need to be training twice a week at underage with a match included.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 28, 2022, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 28, 2022, 10:09:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 09:18:13 AM
BTW I am not saying it is right or wrong to charge but I can see in a couple of years that there is going to be a major conflict due to playing pitches in clubs. Clubs cannot cope with the teams they have at the minute and each club has mothers and others, lads and dads etc etc

I can see some clubs trying too much and keeping everyone happy but stretching the club.

Fair lay to Armagh LGFA for developing a pitch in south Armagh as their base. Where there be a permanent pitch is Down that could be used for LGFA or camogie matches.

Clubs can cope, plenty are making headway in acquiring 2nd pitches as well - plus they just don't have their underage teams training twice a week like you suggested on another thread

I still stand over that you need to be training twice a week at underage with a match included.
Define underage!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 28, 2022, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 28, 2022, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 28, 2022, 10:09:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 09:18:13 AM
BTW I am not saying it is right or wrong to charge but I can see in a couple of years that there is going to be a major conflict due to playing pitches in clubs. Clubs cannot cope with the teams they have at the minute and each club has mothers and others, lads and dads etc etc

I can see some clubs trying too much and keeping everyone happy but stretching the club.

Fair lay to Armagh LGFA for developing a pitch in south Armagh as their base. Where there be a permanent pitch is Down that could be used for LGFA or camogie matches.

Clubs can cope, plenty are making headway in acquiring 2nd pitches as well - plus they just don't have their underage teams training twice a week like you suggested on another thread

I still stand over that you need to be training twice a week at underage with a match included.
Define underage!

U11s was his arguement
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 12:18:09 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 28, 2022, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 28, 2022, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 28, 2022, 10:09:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 09:18:13 AM
BTW I am not saying it is right or wrong to charge but I can see in a couple of years that there is going to be a major conflict due to playing pitches in clubs. Clubs cannot cope with the teams they have at the minute and each club has mothers and others, lads and dads etc etc

I can see some clubs trying too much and keeping everyone happy but stretching the club.

Fair lay to Armagh LGFA for developing a pitch in south Armagh as their base. Where there be a permanent pitch is Down that could be used for LGFA or camogie matches.

Clubs can cope, plenty are making headway in acquiring 2nd pitches as well - plus they just don't have their underage teams training twice a week like you suggested on another thread

I still stand over that you need to be training twice a week at underage with a match included.
Define underage!

U11s was his arguement

u11 matches are on a Sunday. Is there a problem with them training for an hour on a Tuesday and Thursday.  I really do not think thats a lot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 28, 2022, 12:20:52 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 28, 2022, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 28, 2022, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 28, 2022, 10:09:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 09:18:13 AM
BTW I am not saying it is right or wrong to charge but I can see in a couple of years that there is going to be a major conflict due to playing pitches in clubs. Clubs cannot cope with the teams they have at the minute and each club has mothers and others, lads and dads etc etc

I can see some clubs trying too much and keeping everyone happy but stretching the club.

Fair lay to Armagh LGFA for developing a pitch in south Armagh as their base. Where there be a permanent pitch is Down that could be used for LGFA or camogie matches.

Clubs can cope, plenty are making headway in acquiring 2nd pitches as well - plus they just don't have their underage teams training twice a week like you suggested on another thread

I still stand over that you need to be training twice a week at underage with a match included.
Define underage!

U11s was his arguement
So if the U11's need that it follows that 13's,15's, Minors and the rest need it also.If every Club took that approach especially if it is a Dual Club they would need multiple pitches and I am not counting Ladies or Camogie into any of this. U11's training twice weekly is crazy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 28, 2022, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 12:18:09 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 28, 2022, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 28, 2022, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 28, 2022, 10:09:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 09:18:13 AM
BTW I am not saying it is right or wrong to charge but I can see in a couple of years that there is going to be a major conflict due to playing pitches in clubs. Clubs cannot cope with the teams they have at the minute and each club has mothers and others, lads and dads etc etc

I can see some clubs trying too much and keeping everyone happy but stretching the club.

Fair lay to Armagh LGFA for developing a pitch in south Armagh as their base. Where there be a permanent pitch is Down that could be used for LGFA or camogie matches.

Clubs can cope, plenty are making headway in acquiring 2nd pitches as well - plus they just don't have their underage teams training twice a week like you suggested on another thread

I still stand over that you need to be training twice a week at underage with a match included.
Define underage!

U11s was his arguement

u11 matches are on a Sunday. Is there a problem with them training for an hour on a Tuesday and Thursday.  I really do not think thats a lot.

It's a lot for the parents and volunteers, maybe not for the people on the outside who won't be rushing home from work to get kids out or paying for the diesel. Nonsense to suggest 10 year old's need to twice a week, sure they will be sick of it before they reach 16.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on April 28, 2022, 02:14:53 PM
Under 11 strength and conditioning coaches are the way forward  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on April 28, 2022, 02:49:05 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on April 28, 2022, 02:14:53 PM
Under 11 strength and conditioning coaches are the way forward  ;D ;D

They have to do that programme on their own time though. :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 28, 2022, 02:59:59 PM
As part of this Ballykinlar development will it include a stand/terrace? Owenbeg has been a major success (and money earner) from this point of view - South Derry diehards don't like travelling up to Derry City!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on April 28, 2022, 03:02:48 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on April 28, 2022, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 12:18:09 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 28, 2022, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 28, 2022, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 28, 2022, 10:09:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 28, 2022, 09:18:13 AM
BTW I am not saying it is right or wrong to charge but I can see in a couple of years that there is going to be a major conflict due to playing pitches in clubs. Clubs cannot cope with the teams they have at the minute and each club has mothers and others, lads and dads etc etc

I can see some clubs trying too much and keeping everyone happy but stretching the club.

Fair lay to Armagh LGFA for developing a pitch in south Armagh as their base. Where there be a permanent pitch is Down that could be used for LGFA or camogie matches.

Clubs can cope, plenty are making headway in acquiring 2nd pitches as well - plus they just don't have their underage teams training twice a week like you suggested on another thread

I still stand over that you need to be training twice a week at underage with a match included.
Define underage!

U11s was his arguement

u11 matches are on a Sunday. Is there a problem with them training for an hour on a Tuesday and Thursday.  I really do not think thats a lot.

It's a lot for the parents and volunteers, maybe not for the people on the outside who won't be rushing home from work to get kids out or paying for the diesel. Nonsense to suggest 10 year old's need to twice a week, sure they will be sick of it before they reach 16.

I agree but to play devils advocate soccer teams mostly train twice a week and a match on Saturday from u10s up and it doesn't seem to put them off. I think the big difference as most have noted is the dual players and lads playing up an age group. If you have 2 teams you can't expect lads to play 2 matches and 4 sessions a week. If you're in a big club and they're only playing for 1 team, 3 times a week isn't completely mad but I don't think it's needed.

If they won't lift a ball at home between organised training or matches you've got a problem anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 28, 2022, 06:40:43 PM
There are 168 hours in a week.. asking a child of 10-11 to take part in activity for 4 hours (or thereabouts) is not a bad thing. If it's structured and well lead - I have no problem with it at all.
As for a lad playing u13 if he is 11 - that's completely wrong imo. The sooner the GAA bring in a rule that you can't play up the better. Let players develop at their own level, with their own group of friends/peers and if they are a "special player" in terms of ability, size etc so what. I've seen lads at our club getting slaughtered down the years playing up. If ya can't field at u15 without u13 players - amalgamate with another club struggling for numbers. But don't flog young lads/girls to a level where they could get seriously hurt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 28, 2022, 06:45:07 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 28, 2022, 06:40:43 PM
There are 168 hours in a week.. asking a child of 10-11 to take part in activity for 4 hours (or thereabouts) is not a bad thing. If it's structured and well lead - I have no problem with it at all.
As for a lad playing u13 if he is 11 - that's completely wrong imo. The sooner the GAA bring in a rule that you can't play up the better. Let players develop at their own level, with their own group of friends/peers and if they are a "special player" in terms of ability, size etc so what. I've seen lads at our club getting slaughtered down the years playing up. If ya can't field at u15 without u13 players - amalgamate with another club struggling for numbers. But don't flog young lads/girls to a level where they could get seriously hurt.

We wouldn't be able to put one juvenile team on the field if that was the case....

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 28, 2022, 06:54:22 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 28, 2022, 06:40:43 PM
There are 168 hours in a week.. asking a child of 10-11 to take part in activity for 4 hours (or thereabouts) is not a bad thing. If it's structured and well lead - I have no problem with it at all.
As for a lad playing u13 if he is 11 - that's completely wrong imo. The sooner the GAA bring in a rule that you can't play up the better. Let players develop at their own level, with their own group of friends/peers and if they are a "special player" in terms of ability, size etc so what. I've seen lads at our club getting slaughtered down the years playing up. If ya can't field at u15 without u13 players - amalgamate with another club struggling for numbers. But don't flog young lads/girls to a level where they could get seriously hurt.
The exact opposite goes on in Kilcoo and look how that has worked out for their good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 28, 2022, 08:16:11 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on April 28, 2022, 02:49:05 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on April 28, 2022, 02:14:53 PM
Under 11 strength and conditioning coaches are the way forward  ;D ;D

They have to do that programme on their own time though. :o

Nutrition plans funded by the Club Comittees.. anyone caught eating Fish Fingers or Chicken Nuggets faces disciplinary action 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 28, 2022, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 28, 2022, 06:40:43 PM
There are 168 hours in a week.. asking a child of 10-11 to take part in activity for 4 hours (or thereabouts) is not a bad thing. If it's structured and well lead - I have no problem with it at all.
As for a lad playing u13 if he is 11 - that's completely wrong imo. The sooner the GAA bring in a rule that you can't play up the better. Let players develop at their own level, with their own group of friends/peers and if they are a "special player" in terms of ability, size etc so what. I've seen lads at our club getting slaughtered down the years playing up. If ya can't field at u15 without u13 players - amalgamate with another club struggling for numbers. But don't flog young lads/girls to a level where they could get seriously hurt.

The levels of equality/consistency/control you wish to put on children is bordering on eugenics as it would require equally controlled birth rates and growth patterns.

Some kids play up a grade because it's the best fit for them. Some kids play up a grade because their club needs them to. Some kids don't get any game time because they've too many players. Some kids get too much much game time because there's not enough kids around his age.  Some kids don't get any game time because there's not enough kids his age in the area. And some kids get game time handed to them in right just the right amounts. The GAA and your club have very little to do with how this happens.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 28, 2022, 09:08:46 PM

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  The exact opposite goes on in Kilcoo and look how that has worked out for their good.
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I disagree with you here. Their minor winning team from a few years ago literally had a panel of 19. Those lads were minors and all played their fair share of games throughout the season. Their wing half forward that year was the keeper the next year!! He was sub keeper last night btw..
plus that lad Justin Clarke was a big big player at underage and has taken a while to find his feet at senior level - he was solid last night in midfield. Another lad Doyle was a big player on that minor team and last night was first time I've seen him on pitch for seniors. Shaelan Johnston. Morgan were seriously talented and made the step up to seniors the season after minors finished.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 28, 2022, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 28, 2022, 09:08:46 PM

The exact opposite goes on in Kilcoo and look how that has worked out for their good.
[/quote]

I disagree with you here. Their minor winning team from a few years ago literally had a panel of 19. Those lads were minors and all played their fair share of games throughout the season. Their wing half forward that year was the keeper the next year!! He was sub keeper last night btw..
plus that lad Justin Clarke was a big big player at underage and has taken a while to find his feet at senior level - he was solid last night in midfield. Another lad Doyle was a big player on that minor team and last night was first time I've seen him on pitch for seniors. Shaelan Johnston. Morgan were seriously talented and made the step up to seniors the season after minors finished.
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  I take your points but the conversation is about underage players playing up a level in smaller Clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on April 29, 2022, 07:34:46 AM
Under 11s should only train 1 night a week and players should not play up a level

Ah ffs what are you talking about?

What's wrong with under 11s training for an hour on Tuesday Thursday and a match Saturday? Why would they be sick of it? Catch a grip


And a lad can't play up his age. Yeah right


Find a space on the pitch to train them. Go at 5 or 6

Don't use pitch availability as to why under 11s can't train

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 29, 2022, 08:10:06 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 29, 2022, 07:34:46 AM
Under 11s should only train 1 night a week and players should not play up a level

Ah ffs what are you talking about?

What's wrong with under 11s training for an hour on Tuesday Thursday and a match Saturday? Why would they be sick of it? Catch a grip


And a lad can't play up his age. Yeah right


Find a space on the pitch to train them. Go at 5 or 6

Don't use pitch availability as to why under 11s can't train
The guys here saying u11s should train twice a week . I wonder do any of you have kids???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on April 29, 2022, 08:26:55 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 29, 2022, 07:34:46 AM
Under 11s should only train 1 night a week and players should not play up a level

Ah ffs what are you talking about?

What's wrong with under 11s training for an hour on Tuesday Thursday and a match Saturday? Why would they be sick of it? Catch a grip


And a lad can't play up his age. Yeah right


Find a space on the pitch to train them. Go at 5 or 6

Don't use pitch availability as to why under 11s can't train

Who's home to take a team at 5pm on a week day never mind take the kids there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clubman21 on April 29, 2022, 08:41:59 AM
Not many clubs could field u13 teams without the assistance of the 10-11 year olds, mental comment to say they shouldn't be allowed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 29, 2022, 09:00:37 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on April 29, 2022, 08:26:55 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 29, 2022, 07:34:46 AM
Under 11s should only train 1 night a week and players should not play up a level

Ah ffs what are you talking about?

What's wrong with under 11s training for an hour on Tuesday Thursday and a match Saturday? Why would they be sick of it? Catch a grip


And a lad can't play up his age. Yeah right


Find a space on the pitch to train them. Go at 5 or 6

Don't use pitch availability as to why under 11s can't train

Who's home to take a team at 5pm on a week day never mind take the kids there?

Easy enough to spot on here who is either retired or is a teacher.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 29, 2022, 09:07:52 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on April 29, 2022, 09:00:37 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on April 29, 2022, 08:26:55 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 29, 2022, 07:34:46 AM
Under 11s should only train 1 night a week and players should not play up a level

Ah ffs what are you talking about?

What's wrong with under 11s training for an hour on Tuesday Thursday and a match Saturday? Why would they be sick of it? Catch a grip


And a lad can't play up his age. Yeah right


Find a space on the pitch to train them. Go at 5 or 6

Don't use pitch availability as to why under 11s can't train

Who's home to take a team at 5pm on a week day never mind take the kids there?

Easy enough to spot on here who is either retired or is a teacher.

It's worse than that. They haven't computed that a meaningful training session at 5pm would require 3-4 coaches and 16-25 parents to be properly inconvenienced. 

I hope he doesn't work in logistics.

—-/

If an 11 year old doesn't have the interest / initiative to kick a ball around with his mates a couple of times a week, then a club cannot make up the shortfall. Those lads will not play when they're older. You have to be drawn to kicking a ball to play football. It's not complicated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 29, 2022, 09:43:37 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 29, 2022, 09:07:52 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on April 29, 2022, 09:00:37 AM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on April 29, 2022, 08:26:55 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 29, 2022, 07:34:46 AM
Under 11s should only train 1 night a week and players should not play up a level

Ah ffs what are you talking about?

What's wrong with under 11s training for an hour on Tuesday Thursday and a match Saturday? Why would they be sick of it? Catch a grip


And a lad can't play up his age. Yeah right


Find a space on the pitch to train them. Go at 5 or 6

Don't use pitch availability as to why under 11s can't train

Who's home to take a team at 5pm on a week day never mind take the kids there?

Easy enough to spot on here who is either retired or is a teacher.

It's worse than that. They haven't computed that a meaningful training session at 5pm would require 3-4 coaches and 16-25 parents to be properly inconvenienced. 

I hope he doesn't work in logistics.

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If an 11 year old doesn't have the interest / initiative to kick a ball around with his mates a couple of times a week, then a club cannot make up the shortfall. Those lads will not play when they're older. You have to be drawn to kicking a ball to play football. It's not complicated.

I would agree with that point, kids of that age who have a real interest will gather up a friend or two and head to the pitch or garden and kick a ball about for an hour or two (obviously depending on where they live in regards proximity to friends/pitches/green areas, but in general it would be the case).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 10:56:05 AM
Looking at club fixtures, here is a solution, play more underage games on Saturday and Sunday afternoons and evenings. From 2pm on a Sunday there are no other fixtures other than reserves which is a crap time for them tbh

Minor fixtures on a Sunday evening would be good, Sunday at 2pm could be u13. It is just a thought but there are two evenings that would be freed up for clubs in the week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 29, 2022, 11:03:32 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 10:56:05 AM
Looking at club fixtures, here is a solution, play more underage games on Saturday and Sunday afternoons and evenings. From 2pm on a Sunday there are no other fixtures other than reserves which is a crap time for them tbh

Minor fixtures on a Sunday evening would be good, Sunday at 2pm could be u13. It is just a thought but there are two evenings that would be freed up for clubs in the week.

U15 hurlers are out on a Sunday morning, you wouldn't want to be killing those kids that play both, would you?

P7 down play on Saturday afternoons as well

U13 hurling on friday evenings and U17's on wednesday evenings as well, do just bare that in mind.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on April 29, 2022, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 10:56:05 AM
Looking at club fixtures, here is a solution, play more underage games on Saturday and Sunday afternoons and evenings. From 2pm on a Sunday there are no other fixtures other than reserves which is a crap time for them tbh

Minor fixtures on a Sunday evening would be good, Sunday at 2pm could be u13. It is just a thought but there are two evenings that would be freed up for clubs in the week.

Minor fixtures on a Sunday evening would not be good TruthHurts. If its a crap time for Reserves would it not be a crap time for Minor Management teams plus add to that Minor Girls and Boys tend to have a social life nowadays and weekend mornings are a nightmare to get them to train never mind anything else.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on April 29, 2022, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 10:56:05 AM
Looking at club fixtures, here is a solution, play more underage games on Saturday and Sunday afternoons and evenings. From 2pm on a Sunday there are no other fixtures other than reserves which is a crap time for them tbh

Minor fixtures on a Sunday evening would be good, Sunday at 2pm could be u13. It is just a thought but there are two evenings that would be freed up for clubs in the week.

Minor fixtures on a Sunday evening would not be good TruthHurts. If its a crap time for Reserves would it not be a crap time for Minor Management teams plus add to that Minor Girls and Boys tend to have a social life nowadays and weekend mornings are a nightmare to get them to train never mind anything else.

There is going to be a crap time for someone but the point I am trying to make is that there are plenty of hours over the weekend that are not used. Camogie is midweek! Having their games on a Sunday afternoon could be another good idea and surely would increase the profile and increase attendance. I am sure someone will come back and say about social life and part time jobs but the same applies to reserve players.
There is no majic wand in wand but I think a more balanced approach is needed to ensure that OLASPK,  St Marks, Derrylecka etc are not having to be rented consistently by clubs .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on April 29, 2022, 12:40:10 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 29, 2022, 11:03:32 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 10:56:05 AM
Looking at club fixtures, here is a solution, play more underage games on Saturday and Sunday afternoons and evenings. From 2pm on a Sunday there are no other fixtures other than reserves which is a crap time for them tbh

Minor fixtures on a Sunday evening would be good, Sunday at 2pm could be u13. It is just a thought but there are two evenings that would be freed up for clubs in the week.

U15 hurlers are out on a Sunday morning, you wouldn't want to be killing those kids that play both, would you?

P7 down play on Saturday afternoons as well

U13 hurling on friday evenings and U17's on wednesday evenings as well, do just bare that in mind.  ;)

I've heard of other counties doing hurling and football on alternative weeks - is that made up or does it actually happen?

It wouldn't work in down as they'd just arrange football on the hurling weeks but I was just wondering does it work. Primary school hurling U11/U9/U7 and U9/U7 football is alternative weeks at the minute in Down and that's hard enough with football clubs organising tournaments on hurling days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on April 29, 2022, 12:46:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on April 29, 2022, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 10:56:05 AM
Looking at club fixtures, here is a solution, play more underage games on Saturday and Sunday afternoons and evenings. From 2pm on a Sunday there are no other fixtures other than reserves which is a crap time for them tbh

Minor fixtures on a Sunday evening would be good, Sunday at 2pm could be u13. It is just a thought but there are two evenings that would be freed up for clubs in the week.

Minor fixtures on a Sunday evening would not be good TruthHurts. If its a crap time for Reserves would it not be a crap time for Minor Management teams plus add to that Minor Girls and Boys tend to have a social life nowadays and weekend mornings are a nightmare to get them to train never mind anything else.

There is going to be a crap time for someone but the point I am trying to make is that there are plenty of hours over the weekend that are not used. Camogie is midweek! Having their games on a Sunday afternoon could be another good idea and surely would increase the profile and increase attendance. I am sure someone will come back and say about social life and part time jobs but the same applies to reserve players.
There is no majic wand in wand but I think a more balanced approach is needed to ensure that OLASPK,  St Marks, Derrylecka etc are not having to be rented consistently by clubs .

You'd never have enough refs available to play more games at the weekend. There's only a handful of refs covering 4 codes (most only cover one). Camogie at the minute split their adult games over 2 nights and still struggle to get refs. Ballela's game was called off last week because there was no ref available. Underage camogie games never have refs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 12:59:15 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on April 29, 2022, 12:46:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on April 29, 2022, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 10:56:05 AM
Looking at club fixtures, here is a solution, play more underage games on Saturday and Sunday afternoons and evenings. From 2pm on a Sunday there are no other fixtures other than reserves which is a crap time for them tbh

Minor fixtures on a Sunday evening would be good, Sunday at 2pm could be u13. It is just a thought but there are two evenings that would be freed up for clubs in the week.

Minor fixtures on a Sunday evening would not be good TruthHurts. If its a crap time for Reserves would it not be a crap time for Minor Management teams plus add to that Minor Girls and Boys tend to have a social life nowadays and weekend mornings are a nightmare to get them to train never mind anything else.

There is going to be a crap time for someone but the point I am trying to make is that there are plenty of hours over the weekend that are not used. Camogie is midweek! Having their games on a Sunday afternoon could be another good idea and surely would increase the profile and increase attendance. I am sure someone will come back and say about social life and part time jobs but the same applies to reserve players.
There is no majic wand in wand but I think a more balanced approach is needed to ensure that OLASPK,  St Marks, Derrylecka etc are not having to be rented consistently by clubs .

You'd never have enough refs available to play more games at the weekend. There's only a handful of refs covering 4 codes (most only cover one). Camogie at the minute split their adult games over 2 nights and still struggle to get refs. Ballela's game was called off last week because there was no ref available. Underage camogie games never have refs

Each club should have t have at least two refs to cover games, if they don't then they should not be allowed to compete.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 29, 2022, 01:22:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 12:59:15 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on April 29, 2022, 12:46:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on April 29, 2022, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 10:56:05 AM
Looking at club fixtures, here is a solution, play more underage games on Saturday and Sunday afternoons and evenings. From 2pm on a Sunday there are no other fixtures other than reserves which is a crap time for them tbh

Minor fixtures on a Sunday evening would be good, Sunday at 2pm could be u13. It is just a thought but there are two evenings that would be freed up for clubs in the week.

Minor fixtures on a Sunday evening would not be good TruthHurts. If its a crap time for Reserves would it not be a crap time for Minor Management teams plus add to that Minor Girls and Boys tend to have a social life nowadays and weekend mornings are a nightmare to get them to train never mind anything else.

There is going to be a crap time for someone but the point I am trying to make is that there are plenty of hours over the weekend that are not used. Camogie is midweek! Having their games on a Sunday afternoon could be another good idea and surely would increase the profile and increase attendance. I am sure someone will come back and say about social life and part time jobs but the same applies to reserve players.
There is no majic wand in wand but I think a more balanced approach is needed to ensure that OLASPK,  St Marks, Derrylecka etc are not having to be rented consistently by clubs .

You'd never have enough refs available to play more games at the weekend. There's only a handful of refs covering 4 codes (most only cover one). Camogie at the minute split their adult games over 2 nights and still struggle to get refs. Ballela's game was called off last week because there was no ref available. Underage camogie games never have refs

Each club should have t have at least two refs to cover games, if they don't then they should not be allowed to compete.
That would really improve the quality of officiating.  Eh I'm only here cause I'm made be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 29, 2022, 01:24:15 PM
Upside... they wouldn't have much officiating to do though. There'd only be 8-10 teams left in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 01:30:46 PM
Has anyone a list of refs and what clubs they are from. Are there many clubs not contributing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 29, 2022, 02:32:48 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 01:30:46 PM
Has anyone a list of refs and what clubs they are from. Are there many clubs not contributing?
That's a bit of a loaded question.What's the issue?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 29, 2022, 02:51:20 PM
QuoteHas anyone a list of refs and what clubs they are from. Are there many clubs not contributing?

Apart from referees, what are exactly is your own club contributing to Down GAA?

Any juvenile teams going?  Senior or reserve football?  Hurling?  Camogie?  Ladies Football?  Social club still going?

Catch yourself on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 29, 2022, 03:07:31 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on April 29, 2022, 12:40:10 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 29, 2022, 11:03:32 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 29, 2022, 10:56:05 AM
Looking at club fixtures, here is a solution, play more underage games on Saturday and Sunday afternoons and evenings. From 2pm on a Sunday there are no other fixtures other than reserves which is a crap time for them tbh

Minor fixtures on a Sunday evening would be good, Sunday at 2pm could be u13. It is just a thought but there are two evenings that would be freed up for clubs in the week.

U15 hurlers are out on a Sunday morning, you wouldn't want to be killing those kids that play both, would you?

P7 down play on Saturday afternoons as well

U13 hurling on friday evenings and U17's on wednesday evenings as well, do just bare that in mind.  ;)

I've heard of other counties doing hurling and football on alternative weeks - is that made up or does it actually happen?

It wouldn't work in down as they'd just arrange football on the hurling weeks but I was just wondering does it work. Primary school hurling U11/U9/U7 and U9/U7 football is alternative weeks at the minute in Down and that's hard enough with football clubs organising tournaments on hurling days.

It was loosely organised in such a way that primary school hurling was the first and third Saturdays of the month with the 2nd and 4th Saturdays for football, but there have been incidents where teams have pulled out of hurling blitzes as they've lads playing football the same day, CB needed to be stronger at times but aren't.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on April 29, 2022, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 29, 2022, 02:51:20 PM
QuoteHas anyone a list of refs and what clubs they are from. Are there many clubs not contributing?

Apart from referees, what are exactly is your own club contributing to Down GAA?

Any juvenile teams going?  Senior or reserve football?  Hurling?  Camogie?  Ladies Football?  Social club still going?

Catch yourself on.

It's a very fair point . There has been an exponential increase in teams but not in referees. Every club has to work hard at trying to produce refs or everyone loses out. Our club has nearly  20 teams and 1 referee. There are a number of initiatives to attract and retain referees but all clubs are not producing enough referees . How can we all improve this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 29, 2022, 04:11:27 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 29, 2022, 02:51:20 PM
QuoteHas anyone a list of refs and what clubs they are from. Are there many clubs not contributing?

Apart from referees, what are exactly is your own club contributing to Down GAA?

Any juvenile teams going?  Senior or reserve football?  Hurling?  Camogie?  Ladies Football?  Social club still going?

Catch yourself on.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on April 29, 2022, 04:16:03 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on April 29, 2022, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 29, 2022, 02:51:20 PM
QuoteHas anyone a list of refs and what clubs they are from. Are there many clubs not contributing?

Apart from referees, what are exactly is your own club contributing to Down GAA?

Any juvenile teams going?  Senior or reserve football?  Hurling?  Camogie?  Ladies Football?  Social club still going?

Catch yourself on.

I'm surprised any young person wants to become a ref; the sustained abuse they receive from players, mentors and supporters is unacceptable. A team can kick sixteen wides, and when the game is over, blame the ref. No fan of rugby, bu the respect they give the ref is something we should emulate
It's a very fair point . There has been an exponential increase in teams but not in referees. Every club has to work hard at trying to produce refs or everyone loses out. Our club has nearly  20 teams and 1 referee. There are a number of initiatives to attract and retain referees but all clubs are not producing enough referees . How can we all improve this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 29, 2022, 07:56:18 PM
Any starting 15 for tomorrow yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 29, 2022, 11:19:10 PM
Each club should have t have at least two refs to cover games, if they don't then they should not be allowed to compete.
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My god such drivel. Clubs trying to get coaches/mentors/people to do the gate/make tea etc and these jobs are not that attractive at times - now u insist they must have not one but two referees per club.. with the amount of abuse referees get from people - there wud be absolutely no hope of this happening.
Another poster did the very very very obvious and talk crap about us taking a lead out of rugby referees in terms of respect.
The abuse shouted at referees from the crowd, mentors and players is ridiculous.. How do we simply stop that and all of a sudden gain respect for them?? Having been at two division one games this week - supporters are not wise. The top 2 things referees hear are prob these:

The second a player gets the ball - the opposition support shout too long
Every foul - at least one person shouts black card

If the general public/mentors and players were 100% up to date with the rules of the game they would see that these two things and many many other decisions are not far off the mark in terms of the rules of the game. I agree there are serious issues with consistency among referees - but they are human at the end of the day.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 29, 2022, 11:42:29 PM
It's not an ignorance of the rules. Never was, never is.

For some it's an attempt to influence the referee. For most, it's just monkey see, monkey do.

The problem is cultural. These louder supporters don't actually want fair and neutral referees. They want a referee to give everything in their favour.

It's vile.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 30, 2022, 01:25:02 AM
6 Sams, no argument that it's a fair point but yer man is a bullshit artist. Just look at some of the threads he has started. When questioned about his club (if he even has one) he goes dark.

Anyway, good luck to the seniors tomorrow. First time in 30 years I couldn't be arsed going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 30, 2022, 07:46:41 AM
Good luck to Down today in Clones. As previous poster said first time in neqrly 40 years I won't be at the 1st round of ulster when I'm in the country. Just don't justify the waste of time diesel and money to follow the sham of a year we have had. Just total Apathy towards this game. With q bit of luck those on the panel will learn something today and go again in the tailteann
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 30, 2022, 08:09:41 AM
 I'm on a roll after our win last night so going to go.I'll probably regret it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on April 30, 2022, 10:45:09 AM
Working , so won't get a chance to go, but hoping for a good performance after a challenging league campaign . We have to be realistic about where we are, just looking a few shoots of progress emerging
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 30, 2022, 11:07:49 AM
You can't beat the free state pints before and after a game.We have a driver for Clones.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 30, 2022, 11:40:02 AM
 Ryan Magill listed at No.5.Where did that come from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 30, 2022, 01:05:48 PM
Wheres Mooney
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 30, 2022, 02:52:18 PM
Mooney, ,Guinness and Havern dropped?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on April 30, 2022, 05:04:32 PM
This is even worse than I had feared
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 30, 2022, 05:19:32 PM
Diabolical some of the more experienced members of the panel walking/jogging like its a Park Run on a Sunday morning
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 30, 2022, 06:05:32 PM
No surprise with the result. 23 scores to 9 says it all. Div 1 v Div3 the league doesn't lie. Some of the passing and shot selection was very poor. Maybe they can build and go on a run I  the Tailteann wort giving it a go. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WT4E on April 30, 2022, 08:51:38 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 30, 2022, 05:19:32 PM
Diabolical some of the more experienced members of the panel walking/jogging like its a Park Run on a Sunday morning

Park runs are on saturdays
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 30, 2022, 10:41:06 PM
Poor today - basic skills were poor - conditions were not good for either team but picking the ball up, basic catches etc were a mile off.
I didn't  like when a player was taken off he shakes his head and then doesn't shake the managers hand walking past. He was booked and had just committed a foul with a late tackle and dropped on the player - of course he had to be subbed before he was sent off. Then the young Ballyholland man gets two quick yellows. Frustrating..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 01, 2022, 09:12:42 AM
   No surprise about at what happened yesterday.This B Competition will do nothing for us.Unfortunatly James has lost the dressing the room and from the amount of people from Down there yesterday,he has also lost the fans.

   We need a clearout at Senior level of both Management/Players and to appoint someone with a blank canvas to watch players for the remainder of our Leagues and in the Club Championships.There is a rot which needs to be extinguished.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 01, 2022, 09:31:02 AM
Actually thought most of the younger lads did alright and it was the more experienced lads who didn't perform.

Young McEvoy will need to reflect on his reaction to be taken off and it was probably the right decision as things weren't going his way throughout the match.

Play all the young lads over the next 1/2/3/4 matches and see where it takes them.  James came in when nobody wanted it so I would give him another year if he wants it but he would need a upgrade on his backroom team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 01, 2022, 12:10:20 PM
Never mind McCartan. How is Aidan O'Rourke considered for any of these gigs. Crap track record and talks some sh1t on social media!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 01, 2022, 12:36:22 PM
Difficult one to answer, not that popular among the players by all accounts as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 01, 2022, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 01, 2022, 12:10:20 PM
Never mind McCartan. How is Aidan O'Rourke considered for any of these gigs. Crap track record and talks some sh1t on social media!
Buddies clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 01, 2022, 12:46:35 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 01, 2022, 12:36:22 PM
Difficult one to answer, not that popular among the players by all accounts as well.
There are similar thoughts about James also.Communication terrible and going on the two alcohol episodes there appears to no respect to the Management.Respect is usually earned but is non existent from both sides.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 01, 2022, 11:04:23 PM

  There are similar thoughts about James also.Communication terrible and going on the two alcohol episodes there appears to no respect to the Management.Respect is usually earned but is non existent from both sides.
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If our players don't have any respect for two former All Ireland winners and All Stars - then I think we know where the problem lies..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on May 01, 2022, 11:56:20 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 01, 2022, 12:46:35 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 01, 2022, 12:36:22 PM

Difficult one to answer, not that popular among the players by all accounts as well.
There are similar thoughts about James also.Communication terrible and going on the two alcohol episodes there appears to no respect to the Management.Respect is usually earned but is non existent from both sides.
I think the time has come to moving from 91/94. Players of today won't have experienced that, never mind giving it respect. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 02, 2022, 08:00:50 AM
Could Mickey Harte be poached from Louth?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 02, 2022, 08:21:41 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 02, 2022, 08:00:50 AM
Could Mickey Harte be poached from Louth?
I think you know the answer to that.Poaching someone who is already in position.What have we been discussing? Respect!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 02, 2022, 09:16:59 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 02, 2022, 08:00:50 AM
Could Mickey Harte be poached from Louth?
You are talking about a Managerial position that is not available-Yet.
A very poor performance on Saturday.We really are in the dumps.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 02, 2022, 09:51:23 AM
It was a tongue in cheek more than reality. Although this management team are going nowhere through no real fault of their own. They never wanted the job.
Look what Derry did yesterday when they finally got their set up right. And alot of the best players in the county available. I'm not saying we would be better than Derry but we should at least be competitive. Down Meath and Cork look to have big issues somewhere.  Galway and Derry may have rectified theirs. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 02, 2022, 10:32:24 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 02, 2022, 09:51:23 AM
It was a tongue in cheek more than reality. Although this management team are going nowhere through no real fault of their own. They never wanted the job.
Look what Derry did yesterday when they finally got their set up right. And alot of the best players in the county available. I'm not saying we would be better than Derry but we should at least be competitive. Down Meath and Cork look to have big issues somewhere.  Galway and Derry may have rectified theirs.

There's certainly lessons  in Derry and Galway's change in fortunes .

The difference between ourselves and  Derry is that they have had a production line of underage success over a number of years. They actually went to division 4 and that probably gave them an opportunity to rebuild . Clubwise they are amongst the strongest in the country , as well as Slaughtneils all-ireland final appearance, Glenn, magherafelt, ballinderry etc are strong and Steelstown are All-Ireland intermediate champions . They havent had our financial restrictions and have a well established centre of excellence. Their slaughtneil players didn't have the same club distractions this year.
We have had only 1 ulster appearance at underage in 13 seasons and even semi final appearances are a rarity . Our last appearance in an all-ireland was on the back of preceding underage success.
In reality we were fortunate  to be promoted to division 2, and then fortunate to stay in it. In recent years we have been on the receiving end of several poor results under a number of different managers.
We had a challenging campaign in div 2 this year, with a delayed managerial appointment. The brilliant success of Kilcoo , did not translate into Down seniors , as many of their best players are not available and those that are, were likely fatigued after the prolonged club campaign . We get drawn away against an established top teams who beat Dublin last time out. We had few travelling supporters .
In the above circumstances, why are we surprised at a 10 point defeat ?
We have a mountain of work to do to get back to the top table , but there are several things to be positive about: we have AI club champions and a competitive club game. We now have  a strong GAA presence in North Down. We won an ulster u20 title last year. We have a top notch stadium. We are close to cutting sod on a new centre of excellence and our financial stresses have reduced .
We have a mountain of work to do, but our starting point must be a realistic acceptance of where we are at, and an enthusiasm about our potential , but importantly a change from the immature , ill-informed blame culture , which gets too much credibility in this county .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 02, 2022, 11:12:40 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 02, 2022, 10:32:24 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 02, 2022, 09:51:23 AM
It was a tongue in cheek more than reality. Although this management team are going nowhere through no real fault of their own. They never wanted the job.
Look what Derry did yesterday when they finally got their set up right. And alot of the best players in the county available. I'm not saying we would be better than Derry but we should at least be competitive. Down Meath and Cork look to have big issues somewhere.  Galway and Derry may have rectified theirs.

There's certainly lessons  in Derry and Galway's change in fortunes .

The difference between ourselves and  Derry is that they have had a production line of underage success over a number of years. They actually went to division 4 and that probably gave them an opportunity to rebuild . Clubwise they are amongst the strongest in the country , as well as Slaughtneils all-ireland final appearance, Glenn, magherafelt, ballinderry etc are strong and Steelstown are All-Ireland intermediate champions . They havent had our financial restrictions and have a well established centre of excellence. Their slaughtneil players didn't have the same club distractions this year.
We have had only 1 ulster appearance at underage in 13 seasons and even semi final appearances are a rarity . Our last appearance in an all-ireland was on the back of preceding underage success.
In reality we were fortunate  to be promoted to division 2, and then fortunate to stay in it. In recent years we have been on the receiving end of several poor results under a number of different managers.
We had a challenging campaign in div 2 this year, with a delayed managerial appointment. The brilliant success of Kilcoo , did not translate into Down seniors , as many of their best players are not available and those that are, were likely fatigued after the prolonged club campaign . We get drawn away against an established top teams who beat Dublin last time out. We had few travelling supporters .
In the above circumstances, why are we surprised at a 10 point defeat ?
We have a mountain of work to do to get back to the top table , but there are several things to be positive about: we have AI club champions and a competitive club game. We now have  a strong GAA presence in North Down. We won an ulster u20 title last year. We have a top notch stadium. We are close to cutting sod on a new centre of excellence and our financial stresses have reduced .
We have a mountain of work to do, but our starting point must be a realistic acceptance of where we are at, and an enthusiasm about our potential , but importantly a change from the immature , ill-informed blame culture , which gets too much credibility in this county .

All four SN players on the field for Derry were involved in their hurling campaign which took them right up to an AI semi-final, I'd say they hadn't much rest in between that and committing to playing football for Derry seniors.

Much like Cork in the hurling (and they have had underage success) questions need asked about the type of player that's needed to succeed at intercounty senior and why they're either not coming through the development process or how the club game isn't developing them either.

A root and branch review needed with all cards on the table.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 02, 2022, 11:25:57 AM
Fair point re slaughtneil. Though the training and fitness required for hurling is different to football. I heard that Slaughtneil accept that their hurlers involved in football , don't need additional fitness training for hurling , so they concentrate on their stick work ,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 02, 2022, 11:41:30 AM
The term root and branch has been used a few times on here about the current state of football in Down, so what would you do?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 02, 2022, 03:38:50 PM
Good post 6th Sam.

Everybody wants someone to blame, whilst if truth be told most of the current malaise is owed to a deficit of top quality players being produced by clubs (and to some extent, schools and development squads).

While Gallagher will deservedly take plaudits for his work at Derry, the reality is that success is much more likely to be achieved because a group of genuinely top drawer players leads the way in terms of application, attitude and standards, rather than because a top drawer manager wants these things to happen. Basically, top players can get a tune out of those - usually the more inconsistent ones - from the next rung down. See Martin Clarke and Benny Coulter together in 2010 as a prime example.

And in the likes of McKaigue, Rogers, McGuigan and Glass, Derry have those top drawer players.

We don't have anyone at that level currently. There's nobody from the top drawer, and hasn't been since Darren's legs started to go 2 years ago. In fairness, Murdock and Magill were very promising on Saturday, and maybe that's where we should start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Phoenix rising on May 02, 2022, 04:36:39 PM
The top drawer players are there - they just won't play for Down, out of curiosity has this subject ever been brought up at County Board Meetings as to why they refuse to play?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 02, 2022, 05:17:31 PM
Phoenix who are these top drawer players that won't play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: nrico2006 on May 02, 2022, 07:28:28 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 02, 2022, 05:17:31 PM
Phoenix who are these top drawer players that won't play

Was wondering that myself?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Phoenix rising on May 02, 2022, 08:02:38 PM
Well let's start with the Kilcoo players - reigning All Ireland Champions and double Ulster winners.....I would say 4 should be there that aren't for some reason....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 02, 2022, 08:22:16 PM
Quote from: Phoenix rising on May 02, 2022, 08:02:38 PM
Well let's start with the Kilcoo players - reigning All Ireland Champions and double Ulster winners.....I would say 4 should be there that aren't for some reason....
agreed, only 2 kilcoo players on the squad for different reasons, Liam Kerr and Finn McElroy gone as well. Nobody can tell me that we haven't got the players to be competitive at the very least against the middle ranking teams in Ulster, we're not even doing that at the minute. There's a strong possibility we could go through a calendar year without winning a match 😕
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 02, 2022, 09:45:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix rising on May 02, 2022, 08:02:38 PM
Well let's start with the Kilcoo players - reigning All Ireland Champions and double Ulster winners.....I would say 4 should be there that aren't for some reason....

4,6,8 - I even read a quote yesterday that Kilcoo could have beaten Down on Saturday.. such complete and utter tripe.. if they don't want to play - MOVE ON. Another poster hit the nail on the head - Murdock and magill playing rightly - let's focus on the likes of them - Ruairi O'Hare, Gilmore etc - lads who want to represent the county and give their all when they are there. Forget about those who don't want to be there - let's focus on those who do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 02, 2022, 09:54:50 PM
What kilcoo players would make Down better on Saturday?
A brilliant club team but individual players don't stand out
It showed yesterday and in league games before McEvoy looks very ordinary in a county team
County football is another 2/3 levels above club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 02, 2022, 09:57:28 PM
Since the 2010 group began to drop off, I can't think of a Down player who has been consistently top drawer apart from Darren O'Hagan. The Johnstons, McKernan, Donal O'Hare, Mooney, Harrison, Barry O'Hagan have all produced high quality moments and occasional big matches. But nothing consistent.

The like of Kerr, McElroy and 4-5 Kilcoo men would clearly improve Down. But I don't think there's a manager around who could draw the lot of them in. That, I reckon, will take a superstar or two to appear on the horizon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 02, 2022, 09:59:44 PM
FWIW I'd be fairly sure that Kilcoo would take out the most recent Down team.

Whilst there's obviously lads on the Kilcoo team who aren't count standard, there's also 5-6 players who started for Down last week, who would struggle to make the Kilcoo team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 02, 2022, 10:08:01 PM
Also that Kilcoo team would have beaten Down Saturday
The way the play as a team they would have had to much for Down
It's as bad a performance as I have ever seen from a Down team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 02, 2022, 10:38:49 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 02, 2022, 09:45:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix rising on May 02, 2022, 08:02:38 PM
Well let's start with the Kilcoo players - reigning All Ireland Champions and double Ulster winners.....I would say 4 should be there that aren't for some reason....

4,6,8 - I even read a quote yesterday that Kilcoo could have beaten Down on Saturday.. such complete and utter tripe.. if they don't want to play - MOVE ON. Another poster hit the nail on the head - Murdock and magill playing rightly - let's focus on the likes of them - Ruairi O'Hare, Gilmore etc - lads who want to represent the county and give their all when they are there. Forget about those who don't want to be there - let's focus on those who do.
maybe ask them why they don't want to play?  Is it for the same reasons that the support has also deserted the team. The county as a whole has never felt so disconnected from the senior team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Phoenix rising on May 02, 2022, 10:50:36 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 02, 2022, 10:08:01 PM
Also that Kilcoo team would have beaten Down Saturday
The way the play as a team they would have had to much for Down
It's as bad a performance as I have ever seen from a Down team

Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 02, 2022, 09:54:50 PM
What kilcoo players would make Down better on Saturday?
A brilliant club team but individual players don't stand out
It showed yesterday and in league games before McEvoy looks very ordinary in a county team
County football is another 2/3 levels above club


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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: shagger on May 02, 2022, 11:03:27 PM
Why is it always Kilcoo's players fault?

There were plenty of other very good players from clubs around the county ie Burren, Mayobridge Clonduff, Carryduff etc all asked to play for Down and said NO. There were players who left the squad this year  from other clubs outside kilcoo to go to America and never get the blame.

It cannot always be Kilcoo's fault!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on May 03, 2022, 08:14:34 AM
Reading these posts about Down s current position and it's all negative, not one poster has suggested how we improve it, Derry has come from Div4 and look an outfit with considerable potential.
We have to look at our connect with all schools , get coaches into every school, look at what our county coaches do, who are these coaches and are they delivering value for money.
I think that in the past appointments to these post have been on a basis of who you are and not what you can deliver.
Our schools record in Ulster competitions has been abysmal in comparison to when we were top of the pile in the 90 s, but we need to look at our shortcomings and fix them.
It's time we called out some individuals who are to blame starting with those who sit on our county executive, some of who have and still do great work but in this area have failed miserably.
Time to oust those responsible for setting up programmes that have failed, that have made appointments to full time county coaches that haven't delivered and have not engaged with clubs to get the best players to represent Down.
Maybe a start could be made with the chairman and his QUB old boys club, who have clearly not delivered.
Replace Jack with Rodger , install a Kilcoo wining attitude from juvenile to county senior level and see where we go, clearly works at club level, can't see why it would fail at county level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 03, 2022, 10:15:51 AM
Few ways we could improve our fortunes would be to know that  Good players don't make good managers - Far too many ex players involved in our coaching who just aren't up to the standard. We have many an influx of coaches from outside the county but bar Jerome Johnstone Sr have we any one leading a team outside of Down?

Overhaul coaching development - You sit through the basic 3 stage course put on by Ulster GAA and suddenly you're qualified to manage a team. Perhaps could line up something with IFA/FAI and IRFU and see how other sports do coaching and take bits from there also help expand our coaches knowledge.

Permanent S&C coach to over see Minor Upwards. Some of the fellas coming out of the other counties at that ages are all physically on another level to some of ours. Don't know if it's the breeding or what. Also there was a couple of videos on YouTube of Dublin and New Zealand rugby were they identified specific exercises for their sport why they both were so physically ahead of other teams.

Schools need to be met with especially the ones with a history of doing well in Gaelic Schools comps ie St Marks/St Mald and discuss putting back to forefront of the PE curriculum, in exchange some coaches could be given to take a few sessions a month if feasible. Only some suggestions which I'm sure someone will pick apart lol 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on May 03, 2022, 11:51:41 AM
Mourne Red, you are right when you say good players don't necessarily make good coaches, we need as you say to engage with schools, we have to send in coaches to take after schools clubs, make our sport the no 1 choice, might take a bit of time but it will work, most heads of schools would welcome our assistance , our county chairman and secretary should be forefront in setting up meetings with school principals and ask how we can help not demand we get in, we are already way behind other counties but we need to radically change our thinking or we are never coming back to past achievement levels.
There must be someone out there with the managerial, administrative and technical know how to oversee this radical rethink , preferable not an ex player from the 90s or a member of the QUB old boys brigade.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 03, 2022, 12:08:28 PM
Cuan, out of curiosity, is your passionate disgust for the small QUB connection most directly related to:

A personal hatred of one of this connection?, or

A hatred of QUB Sigerson?, or

A hatred of QUB?, or

A hatred of third level education?, or

A hatred of education in general?


I can't work it out. Go on, be honest.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 03, 2022, 12:25:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 03, 2022, 12:08:28 PM
Cuan, out of curiosity, is your passionate disgust for the small QUB connection most directly related to:

A personal hatred of one of this connection?, or

A hatred of QUB Sigerson?, or

A hatred of QUB?, or

A hatred of third level education?, or

A hatred of education in general?


I can't work it out. Go on, be honest.
Cuan is a man of the Tools and not a lover of the white collar man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 03, 2022, 12:26:58 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 03, 2022, 12:25:43 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 03, 2022, 12:08:28 PM
Cuan, out of curiosity, is your passionate disgust for the small QUB connection most directly related to:

A personal hatred of one of this connection?, or

A hatred of QUB Sigerson?, or

A hatred of QUB?, or

A hatred of third level education?, or

A hatred of education in general?


I can't work it out. Go on, be honest.
Cuan is a man of the Tools and not a lover of the white collar man.

Or he just thinks giving these fella's roles repeatedly is not the way to go for success?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on May 03, 2022, 01:05:47 PM
No hatred of QUB or Sigerson, players or third level education, but can you honestly put your hand on heart and say current chairman has delivered, James and Aidan oRourke have failed miserably , Jack Devanney has been an abject failure, he now has entrusted Mr Oakes to revamp our juvenile structures , all part of the QUB fraternity, which hasn't worked, I have offered an alternative rethink which would entail an overhaul, what's your suggestion wobbler, I just want to look forward to a Down match with eager anticipation not dread, present thinking and strategy just not working, by the way I have attended the Dub on many occasions supporting QUB.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 03, 2022, 02:25:17 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on May 03, 2022, 01:05:47 PM
No hatred of QUB or Sigerson, players or third level education, but can you honestly put your hand on heart and say current chairman has delivered, James and Aidan oRourke have failed miserably , Jack Devanney has been an abject failure, he now has entrusted Mr Oakes to revamp our juvenile structures , all part of the QUB fraternity, which hasn't worked, I have offered an alternative rethink which would entail an overhaul, what's your suggestion wobbler, I just want to look forward to a Down match with eager anticipation not dread, present thinking and strategy just not working, by the way I have attended the Dub on many occasions supporting QUB.

Here's the reason why Down senior football is currently in a mess: we didn't produce a single crop of competitive players at u17 or u20 throughout the noughties.

If you're looking for other reasons - like blaming a chairperson who inherited one of the lowest performing juvenile structures in the county just as Covid hit - then you're not being objective.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on May 03, 2022, 05:15:22 PM
So the minor panels of 2004,2005 and 2009 plus the u20/21 panels of 2004,2005,2008 and 2009 didn't produce any players?
My thoughts are they did and whatever the county was doing right has been abandoned in favour of some strategy that's plainly not working. I only wish some one could put their finger on it and formulate a plan that will work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 03, 2022, 05:19:19 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on May 03, 2022, 05:15:22 PM
So the minor panels of 2004,2005 and 2009 plus the u20/21 panels of 2004,2005,2008 and 2009 didn't produce any players?
My thoughts are they did and whatever the county was doing right has been abandoned in favour of some strategy that's plainly not working. I only wish some one could put their finger on it and formulate a plan that will work.

My bad, I meant during 2010-2019! (What do we call that decade, the "teens"?)

Minors of 2009 (like Mooney) are 31 this year. That's the youngest of those teams you've mentioned above.

The full drought started immediately after that. And it correlates with Down's nosedive in senior football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: covid20 on May 03, 2022, 08:10:18 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on May 03, 2022, 08:14:34 AM
Reading these posts about Down s current position and it's all negative, not one poster has suggested how we improve it, Derry has come from Div4 and look an outfit with considerable potential.
We have to look at our connect with all schools , get coaches into every school, look at what our county coaches do, who are these coaches and are they delivering value for money.
I think that in the past appointments to these post have been on a basis of who you are and not what you can deliver.
Our schools record in Ulster competitions has been abysmal in comparison to when we were top of the pile in the 90 s, but we need to look at our shortcomings and fix them.
It's time we called out some individuals who are to blame starting with those who sit on our county executive, some of who have and still do great work but in this area have failed miserably.
Time to oust those responsible for setting up programmes that have failed, that have made appointments to full time county coaches that haven't delivered and have not engaged with clubs to get the best players to represent Down.
Maybe a start could be made with the chairman and his QUB old boys club, who have clearly not delivered.
Replace Jack with Rodger , install a Kilcoo wining attitude from juvenile to county senior level and see where we go, clearly works at club level, can't see why it would fail at county level.
Cuan12,you are really caught up with this agenda against QUB and various members of the County Board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on May 03, 2022, 08:30:53 PM
Co vid , do you think the present county hierarchy has worked, is working and will work in the future because this Down Gael doesn't and I'm not the only one who thinks this way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: covid20 on May 03, 2022, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on May 03, 2022, 08:30:53 PM
Co vid , do you think the present county hierarchy has worked, is working and will work in the future because this Down Gael doesn't and I'm not the only one who thinks this way.
Are you the alter ego of Truth Hurts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on May 03, 2022, 09:06:00 PM
So you think everything must stay as it is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: covid20 on May 03, 2022, 09:12:33 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on May 03, 2022, 09:06:00 PM
So you think everything must stay as it is?
I asked were you the alter ego of Truth Hurts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: covid20 on May 03, 2022, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on May 03, 2022, 09:06:00 PM
So you think everything must stay as it is?
Or I could have asked are you a reincarnation of a controversial poster from five or six years ago?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 03, 2022, 09:54:12 PM
Quote from: covid20 on May 03, 2022, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on May 03, 2022, 09:06:00 PM
So you think everything must stay as it is?
Or I could have asked are you a reincarnation of a controversial poster from five or six years ago?

Strange that someone who only registered last June knows about posters from five or six years ago.

Also please stop picking on your former club chairman.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: covid20 on May 03, 2022, 09:59:59 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 03, 2022, 09:54:12 PM
Quote from: covid20 on May 03, 2022, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on May 03, 2022, 09:06:00 PM
So you think everything must stay as it is?
Or I could have asked are you a reincarnation of a controversial poster from five or six years ago?

Strange that someone who only registered last June knows about posters from five or six years ago.

Also please stop picking on your former club chairman.
Just as strange as someone registering in 2013 and not posting for seven years from 2014 to 2021.You've lost me on the Chairman bit🤷🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on May 03, 2022, 10:34:17 PM
 https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/branagan-and-most-kilcoo-team-mates-don-t-want-to-be-stars-of-the-county-down-1.4868743 (https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/branagan-and-most-kilcoo-team-mates-don-t-want-to-be-stars-of-the-county-down-1.4868743)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Betsy Gray on May 03, 2022, 11:02:31 PM
From the posts I have read following Sunday's match one thing is for certain, no one really knows where to start in terms of improving our fortunes.

In terms of the County Board I actually think they do a decent job in running the club game in the County. Where they could definitely improve is in running the inter county aspect. And that goes from top to bottom.

As a previous poster has said the reality is the clubs and schools are not producing the quality of player we once produced in County Down. That said, there are still some very good players in the County and my gut feeling is we should not be at the low ebb we are currently at. A few points that spring to mind in terms of areas to improve:

1. Player retention. The turnover from year to year (and even within this season alone ) is far too high. Every county needs to get its best players on the pitch and at present we aren't doing that. How many times have we seen a young player break through and look promising only to disappear without anyone really knowing what happened. The one that springs to mind here is Owen McCabe. I thought he had great potential. Most successful counties have a settled base of players with limited transition from year to year.
2. Coaching. Both in the clubs & County squads. We do not seem to be producing high level coaches. A good few of our division 1 teams are managed by men from outside the county. On the flip side I do not think there are many, if any, coaches from County Down coaching teams outside the county. Conor Laverty seems to be the only coach who is sought after by any team outside of our county. The next senior county manager needs to be carefully picked with a view to persuading players to commit.
3. Administration of county football team. When down were successful they were set apart from other counties by being ahead of the game in terms of administration of the county team. We have all heard the Maurice Hayes stories etc. Down were at one stage innovative and creative in terms of organising their county structures and setting up teams for success. Anyone looking in from outside at present now sees a set up that appears to be fairly amateur at best. Down were clearly no where near as fit as Monaghan on Sunday. Until basic issues like that are overcome the whole set up is going nowhere fast. 
4. Interest in the inter county game. There are various counties where players have always had a take it or leave it attitude to the inter county game. Derry is probably a good example. I do not believe this was the case in Down until the last few years. We are now being faced with various inter county standard players deciding the do not want to play inter county. I'm sure there are various reasons for that but surely one of the main reasons is that the whole set up and administration of the inter county teams is nowhere near as professional as it should be. In fact i would be fairly certain that the reason a few Kilcoo men have failed to commit to inter county is because the inter county set up would fall far behind the stand of organisation and coaching they receive within their own club.

There are some bright spots in the gloomy picture. Murdock and Magill both look like solid inter county players. The new training centre (despite the location) will hopefully improve things also.

The Down hurlers have taken up the mantle this year and made great progress. I know little about either inter county set up but from outside it appears the hurlers are showing what progress can be made with a well organised management and a group of players who are willing to buy into the inter county game. It's simple but it seems to work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 08:54:16 AM
https://www.the42.ie/eugene-branagan-kilcoo-players-down-squad-5754073-May2022/ (https://www.the42.ie/eugene-branagan-kilcoo-players-down-squad-5754073-May2022/)

Not an easy read and maybe a touch arrogant from Branagan but nonetheless there's probably a lot of truth in what he says.

I don't understand how he would have difficulty in playing alongside lads from other clubs, is it that toxic?

I've played alongside lads for Down i've taken lumps out off in club games and they me, that's just the way it is..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on May 04, 2022, 09:19:27 AM
He really doesn't come across well there at all, the arrogance is dripping out of him.  The Kilcoo players are in a unique position where they have been dominating Down at the moment and buying into the club instead of county has rewarded them with an all Ireland club championship, so that is all fair dues. 

But he is out and out slating the current players and management team, he is not involved there and doesn't know the in's and outs.  They mightn't have a winning mentality at the moment, but when your top club players are not joining up what do they expect.  If the Slaughtnel players never joined up with the county do you think they would have beat Tyrone on Sunday? He mustn't understand that having those players available to the county team would certainly turn that mindset on its head. 

Also fair dues to Mc Cartan.  If this is the type of stuff that he has to contend with, then any wonder why nobody wanted the job in the first place.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 04, 2022, 09:25:31 AM
 "Those darn pests" from Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 04, 2022, 09:36:02 AM
 I was sort of praising Kilcoo last week but Eugene's comments are well out of line.The recent mutterings of him and Barry O'Hagan are disappointing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 04, 2022, 10:11:17 AM
I'd sayhe was just being honest. He was asked a question and answered it truthfully. Probably doesn't sound the greatest and is criticism of the current set up. But maybe we need players to come out and start saying these things publicly like Brannigan and OHagan for things to actually start to change. Wee James was on a hiding to nothing taking this job. He stepped up when no one else would touch it. He deserves a lot of credit for that considering what it's probably done to his future management ambitions, the county board hung the man out to dry by such a late appointment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BigRipper89 on May 04, 2022, 10:47:08 AM
Brannigan says Down players don't have the right mentality to win, while also stating he doesnt want to play with them. He's showing he does not have that mentality to change it. To show up for a team thats winning a championship 8 out of 10 years and competing in Ulster each year, great numbers at training, best coaches and management etc. That's relatively easy compared to continuously turning out for a team that's not going well. I'm sure anyone here from a smaller club knows the struggles of keeping going when you're not winning. I hope for his sake Kilcoo dont fall off their perch in the next 10 years of his career or everyone will soon be questioning his winning mentality
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 04, 2022, 03:11:52 PM
Down are at their lowest ebb and Eugene Branagan decides to give his county team a right good kicking. Can see why some of you lads don't have a lot of love for Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on May 04, 2022, 03:21:12 PM
It's laughable that on an online anonymous forum where people constantly slate the county team , the county board and referees there is a problem with a non player giving his honest opinion about the state of the county team and sticking his name beside it . Have a bit of wit ffs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 03,05,08 on May 04, 2022, 03:23:19 PM
Being a good club footballer does not equate to being a good county footballer, a lot of the kilcoo boys would have an inflated idea of what effect they'd actually have on the county scene however strangely enough they wouldn't risk actually giving it a go, Eugene Brannigan being one. What was said in that article was a joke, stuck the boot in James mc cartan who he has nothing to do with, and who's done a lot more in football than any of the current kilcoo players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 04, 2022, 03:31:29 PM
At the risk of defending the black n white mafia im maybe thinking you should cut the lad some slack perhaps.
I think a mixture of poor wording, inexperience of dealing with media, lack of savvy and also maybe being taken out of context a little may be at play here.

I also dont think that this particular magpie would be fit for step up up to intercounty senior level albeit with one of our poorest county outfits in a long time.
People have a misty-eyed romanticism when it comes to teams, players and managers who win trophies. Suddenly we find ourselves in a position where theres a clamouring for Kilcoo folk not only to manage and play for our teams but also to oversee administration in the county.

Personally i dont think too many Kilcoo players would make the transition to county footballers. I also dont think their most famous son is the messiah that we are constantly having rammed down our throats. People seriously lose the run of themselves sometimes. Their club journey has been admirable, and they've clearly delivered again and again domestically when it matters most, but as with most things, their domination too will come to a natural end (If Burren and co ever grow a set of balls) and young Brannigan would maybe be a bit more mature in his outlook.

Folk should look around more often. There is plenty of good work being done by people the length and breadth of the county and also beyond. Just because its not being preached by the noisy usuals or captured by the Newry lens doesnt mean its not happening.

Problems lie with the disconnect between schools and clubs (Primary especially) and trying to drag youngsters from behind consoles and outdoors.
Parents have a massive part to play too. Never seen more underage players molly-coddled in my life.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 04, 2022, 03:39:38 PM
As an outsider he seems v fond of the sheep
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 04, 2022, 03:47:47 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 04, 2022, 03:39:38 PM
As an outsider he seems v fond of the sheep

It was only a matter of time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on May 04, 2022, 04:10:37 PM
A lot of noise about Brannigan.

It was actually quite refreshing to hear a player give his honest opinion rather than the usual soundbites we hear in interviews.

He is an amateur and entitled to play for whoever he wants at the end of the day.

Rather than focus on him speaking the truth perhaps it would be wiser to focus on the malaise in Down football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blowitupref on May 04, 2022, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 04, 2022, 04:10:37 PM
A lot of noise about Brannigan.

It was actually quite refreshing to hear a player give his honest opinion rather than the usual soundbites we hear in interviews.

He is an amateur and entitled to play for whoever he wants at the end of the day.

Rather than focus on him speaking the truth perhaps it would be wiser to focus on the malaise in Down football?
Absolutely but refreshing to see a club player kick his county team when they are in the slums?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on May 04, 2022, 04:43:55 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 04, 2022, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 04, 2022, 04:10:37 PM
A lot of noise about Brannigan.

It was actually quite refreshing to hear a player give his honest opinion rather than the usual soundbites we hear in interviews.

He is an amateur and entitled to play for whoever he wants at the end of the day.

Rather than focus on him speaking the truth perhaps it would be wiser to focus on the malaise in Down football?
Absolutely but refreshing to see a club player kick his county team when they are in the slums?
Eugene called it for what is is...cant slat the fella for doing that. Not a chance that going for pints weeks before the championship would have been accepted in Kilcoo and when your used to that your not going to accept anything less than total commitment. Its not there with the county. Nothing Eugene said about the county set up was untrue - he called it for what it is respect to him for that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 04, 2022, 04:45:22 PM
Quote from: thebar on May 04, 2022, 04:43:55 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 04, 2022, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 04, 2022, 04:10:37 PM
A lot of noise about Brannigan.

It was actually quite refreshing to hear a player give his honest opinion rather than the usual soundbites we hear in interviews.

He is an amateur and entitled to play for whoever he wants at the end of the day.

Rather than focus on him speaking the truth perhaps it would be wiser to focus on the malaise in Down football?
Absolutely but refreshing to see a club player kick his county team when they are in the slums?
Eugene called it for what is is...cant slat the fella for doing that. Not a chance that going for pints weeks before the championship would have been accepted in Kilcoo and when your used to that your not going to accept anything less than total commitment. Its not there with the county. Nothing Eugene said about the county set up was untrue - he called it for what it is respect to him for that.
If he had been part of the panel,walked away from it-he would have a right to comment.Shameful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 04, 2022, 04:49:29 PM
Howl on a minute fellas.
Youre making him out to be Roy Keane ffs.

Take the black n white glasses off for a second.
He could have chosen his words more wisely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on May 04, 2022, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 04, 2022, 04:45:22 PM
Quote from: thebar on May 04, 2022, 04:43:55 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 04, 2022, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 04, 2022, 04:10:37 PM
A lot of noise about Brannigan.

It was actually quite refreshing to hear a player give his honest opinion rather than the usual soundbites we hear in interviews.

He is an amateur and entitled to play for whoever he wants at the end of the day.

Rather than focus on him speaking the truth perhaps it would be wiser to focus on the malaise in Down football?
Absolutely but refreshing to see a club player kick his county team when they are in the slums?
Eugene called it for what is is...cant slat the fella for doing that. Not a chance that going for pints weeks before the championship would have been accepted in Kilcoo and when your used to that your not going to accept anything less than total commitment. Its not there with the county. Nothing Eugene said about the county set up was untrue - he called it for what it is respect to him for that.
If he had been part of the panel,walked away from it-he would have a right to comment.Shameful.

Agreed, had he been part of the setup and walked away, he would have been in a better place to comment on it.  Also thought the dig at McCartan was uncalled for, he seemed to backtrack on that however, so maybe he realised what he said as soon as he said it.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 04, 2022, 05:23:04 PM
Did he tell any lies?
He said the standards are poor and so they are
Who goes drinking during a training camp
I would think his comments regarding the Manager was poorly worded
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 04, 2022, 05:25:48 PM
I would be more concerned about BOH comments regarding about not caring about the TC
Why would any supporter travel to watch known they don't even want to be there
And let's be real about it that is the level Down are at
BOH is probably best to keep the head down and concentrate on his football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on May 04, 2022, 06:03:01 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 04, 2022, 05:23:04 PM
Did he tell any lies?
He said the standards are poor and so they are
Who goes drinking during a training camp
I would think his comments regarding the Manager was poorly worded
100% agree Smurfy..too much of this "poor me attitude" and not wanting to tell it like it is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blowitupref on May 04, 2022, 06:03:33 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on May 04, 2022, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 04, 2022, 04:45:22 PM
Quote from: thebar on May 04, 2022, 04:43:55 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 04, 2022, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 04, 2022, 04:10:37 PM
A lot of noise about Brannigan.

It was actually quite refreshing to hear a player give his honest opinion rather than the usual soundbites we hear in interviews.

He is an amateur and entitled to play for whoever he wants at the end of the day.

Rather than focus on him speaking the truth perhaps it would be wiser to focus on the malaise in Down football?
Absolutely but refreshing to see a club player kick his county team when they are in the slums?
Eugene called it for what is is...cant slat the fella for doing that. Not a chance that going for pints weeks before the championship would have been accepted in Kilcoo and when your used to that your not going to accept anything less than total commitment. Its not there with the county. Nothing Eugene said about the county set up was untrue - he called it for what it is respect to him for that.
If he had been part of the panel,walked away from it-he would have a right to comment.Shameful.

Agreed, had he been part of the setup and walked away, he would have been in a better place to comment on it.  Also thought the dig at McCartan was uncalled for, he seemed to backtrack on that however, so maybe he realised what he said as soon as he said it.
Totally agree.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on May 04, 2022, 06:32:39 PM
The lack of humility from both Eugene Branagan and BOH is depressing; charitably I could put it down to their lack of experience and being quoted out of context.  Far from "everyone being against us," Kilcoo were supported by all the other clubs in Down, and I have have nothing but admiration for their achievements. But county football is a big step up, and apart from Daryl Branagan (unquestionable the best club footballer in Down) the rest wouldn't add much, though You might think they might want to test themselves against higher standards.
BOH's comments were execrable; Tiers work well in club and ladies football, why should men's county football be a any different?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 04, 2022, 08:12:30 PM
Down better off without a footballer with that opinion. Different ball game if Down were doing well. At least McAvoy has stood up to be counted. None of the Kilcoo lads has stood out at county level to be firing criticism especially those who never played at that level. Derry had the same problem for yrs with good players not playing from various clubs plus others managers should picked/ got rid off and shouldn't have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 04, 2022, 08:53:18 PM
Wow. What a poor interview. He makes it sound like Kilcoo have the most professional set up around. He forgets to mention about his cousins getting the road from the panel when Moran took over for their poor attitude only to get "a visit " from a few lads to warn him to take them back. He thinks people around the county don't know that they too have lads who dont turn up to training, don't arrive on time, sit on the physio slab when the training steps up a notch - everyone on the outside thinks everything is going great with them - that ain't so..
But it's like Rico Kelly tweeted earlier - pipe down young man - you make it sound like u have won multiple All Irelands and 10+ Ulsters...
Would Eugene last at county football - absolutely not.. he hit Ardan McAvoy last Wednesday night when the ball was thrown in and not realising he had just hit a former boxer - McAvoy hit him 3 quick fire sweet slaps  - Eugene all of a sudden didn't want contact and hid around midfield.. Then disappeared at half time..  how wud that last in an intercounty game ffs!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 04, 2022, 09:44:57 PM
 While it's probably not decent to be criticising the Down Senior set-up on here anonymously it's definitely out of order to be doing in a National Newspaper especially when he has never been in or around a County set-up.Kilcoo keep on doing what they have always done and that's pis-ing people off.
Low action by EB.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 05, 2022, 12:11:38 AM
Personally I'm enjoying the wee bit of clarity coming from O'Hagan and Brannigan.

It's a much better starting point than rumours or platitudes

Some of the sniping above on Eugene Brannigan is all sorts of bizarre. He was absolutely outstanding in an All Ireland winning season and boys are queuing up to put him down. I don't get that.

There's a dozen lads have been involved extensively with Down the past 5 years who've got nowhere near that level of performance. Nowhere near.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 05, 2022, 08:28:29 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 05, 2022, 12:11:38 AM
Personally I'm enjoying the wee bit of clarity coming from O'Hagan and Brannigan.

It's a much better starting point than rumours or platitudes

Some of the sniping above on Eugene Brannigan is all sorts of bizarre. He was absolutely outstanding in an All Ireland winning season and boys are queuing up to put him down. I don't get that.

There's a dozen lads have been involved extensively with Down the past 5 years who've got nowhere near that level of performance. Nowhere near.
Enjoying? Care to name the dozen?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 05, 2022, 08:42:34 AM
What's to enjoy about Barry's interview.
If he has no interest in playing why not just play club football? If you haven't the interest then go play club football. If you want to be involved in a County team well then concentrate on that until it is over

I don't think what Brannigan said is wrong. Which part are people getting upset over?
For what it worth do I think he could play county football. Yes. Would he improve Down. No

Lots of kilcoo players have been involved with Down and the haven't cut it and only lasted 18 months

Ryan J nope
Dylan W nope
McEvoy not yet
Dougherty not yet
Morgan nope
Bobo not yet very poor Saturday


Jerome has been good at times but nothing special

Even Laverty in his prime didn't really stand out

Possibly the man the stood out was Darragh O Hanlon who had a great few years before injury


Would dabs improve Down? Possibly yes but he is obviously untested at this level
Pound for pound Dabs is the best club player in this county. He consistently performs for Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 05, 2022, 08:48:45 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 05, 2022, 12:11:38 AM
Personally I'm enjoying the wee bit of clarity coming from O'Hagan and Brannigan.

It's a much better starting point than rumours or platitudes

Some of the sniping above on Eugene Brannigan is all sorts of bizarre. He was absolutely outstanding in an All Ireland winning season and boys are queuing up to put him down. I don't get that.

There's a dozen lads have been involved extensively with Down the past 5 years who've got nowhere near that level of performance. Nowhere near.

The point being he has never attempted to make an impact at county level and to introduce his winning mentality to that group. Look at the interview Brendan Rogers done with Smaller Fish podcast, when asked if the Slaughtneil players ever considered not joining the Derry county panel. Their view was Derry needed their input in order to push them on. Seriously different mindset. Must be nice being a young club player coming in to a team when the older men on the team and various other coaches have already put the hardest yards in to create that winning environment and mentality. It's a damn sight harder to be the person to make that change.

I was a huge fan of Branagan's performances this year, he was absolutely outstanding for Kilcoo and a deserved winner of his individual award. I just think he could have considered his words a lot more carefully as to not insult others. Honesty should be appreciated but just the way it is delivered should be carefully considered if it is potentially insulting or harmful to others who are working to their best ability in a bad situation.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 05, 2022, 09:38:53 AM
Plenty of club footballers didnt want to commit to county teams for various reasons over the years and Ive absoloutely no problem with anyone saying its not for them. Particulary with the commitment levels these days.

What  I find hard to understand is the contempt towards our county team and James McCartan from Brannigan in the article.

The same old crap about everyone being against Kilcoo was mentioned too, there was a lot of good will shown to Kilcoo on both their All Ireland runs, I was at the Corofin game and there was plenty of support from plenty of clubs throughout the county.

There was also plenty of businesses and individuals from neighbouring clubs who sponsored their various fundraising efforts on their way to the final, so the chip on the shoulder crap is hard to listen to.

No one is doubting Eugene Brannigans quality, and he is certainly good enough to be considered for the county panel, but the tone of the article left a sour taste for me anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 05, 2022, 05:33:07 PM
 Let's enjoy the Club matches and forget about the County set-up for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 05, 2022, 08:13:32 PM
Have to admit, quite lost at the mindset of some on here.

Look at what was actually said in the various articles.

- Lack of winning mentality in core of squad.
Who'd care to argue that given the two drinking sessions weeks before a championship game and the failure to win a game all year?

- On McCartan
Twice said JMcC was thrown under the bus. Said he's a good manager. But said most in Kilcoo wouldn't play for him.  What wasn't said is that is probably because he hasn't cleaned out the rotten core.

- On other clubs
Just the usual siege mentality. Whats new?



@Smurfy - I thought Bobo's distribution on Sat was far beyond what you could reasonably ask for given the complete shitting of the bed out the field. If your the goalie and you stick the ball into the breadbasket and the fielder drops it, whose fault is it really? Fuk sake, some of them you couldn't place the ball any better if you walked the 50 yards and handed it to them.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 06, 2022, 09:20:56 PM
That's 5 wins out of 5 for our boys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on May 06, 2022, 09:58:38 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 06, 2022, 09:20:56 PM
That's 5 wins out of 5 for our boys.

What was the score? Didn't get and no word of it on Downgaa yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 06, 2022, 10:04:30 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on May 06, 2022, 09:58:38 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 06, 2022, 09:20:56 PM
That's 5 wins out of 5 for our boys.

What was the score? Didn't get and no word of it on Downgaa yet.
Won by 6 0-8 to 0-14
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on May 07, 2022, 10:10:33 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on May 06, 2022, 09:20:56 PM
That's 5 wins out of 5 for our boys.

What makes this start more impressive is that every other team in Division 2 seems to be beating each other. Looks like its going to be a tough league to get promoted from with so many teams in the mix and fancying their chances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 07, 2022, 11:03:23 AM
Kilcoo were simply going through the gears last night v CPN. They are embedding some of their youth players nicely into a well oiled machine. With more senior players getting a good rest or brought back at a slower pace - they will not relinquish any of their titles easily. Very impressive..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 07, 2022, 01:47:28 PM
Minors in knockout action against Monaghan today.

Best of luck to them.

Would be nice to see a good performance & something positive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 07, 2022, 03:28:08 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 07, 2022, 01:47:28 PM
Minors in knockout action against Monaghan today.

Best of luck to them.

Would be nice to see a good performance & something positive.
Down 0-12 Monaghan 5-13. Another hammering, Down football really is at an all time low, shocking stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 07, 2022, 08:13:58 PM
League tables starting to take shape.

Few surprises?

Point lower than expected?

Bredagh flying?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 07, 2022, 10:36:16 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 07, 2022, 03:28:08 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 07, 2022, 01:47:28 PM
Minors in knockout action against Monaghan today.

Best of luck to them.

Would be nice to see a good performance & something positive.
Down 0-12 Monaghan 5-13. Another hammering, Down football really is at an all time low, shocking stuff.
Predicted  all of this for 2021 and 2022.Cunningham completely out of his depth as a Manager.
Wondering did he attend QUB? Probably not but part of the Burren Mafia.Should have never been appointed.More depressive as the weeks go on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: whitegoodman on May 07, 2022, 10:53:58 PM
Agree with u that he is out of his depth but he certainly not part of the Burren mafia.  Most people were happy for him to move on.

Questions have to be asked as to what qualified him to get the job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 07, 2022, 11:02:16 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 07, 2022, 03:28:08 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 07, 2022, 01:47:28 PM
Minors in knockout action against Monaghan today.

Best of luck to them.

Would be nice to see a good performance & something positive.
Down 0-12 Monaghan 5-13. Another hammering, Down football really is at an all time low, shocking stuff.
That Monaghan team were beat by Antrim. Who were hammered by tyrone today. Our Minors have been poor  for kast 10 years  or more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 07, 2022, 11:16:54 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 07, 2022, 10:53:58 PM
Agree with u that he is out of his depth but he certainly not part of the Burren mafia.  Most people were happy for him to move on.

Questions have to be asked as to what qualified him to get the job.

Him a Ballymartin man???
What qualified him?? He took this team at development squad level for the last few years, he most probably has more coaching qualifications than most on this board and thirdly and probably most importantly - he is free. That's always a unique selling point to our county board!! Apart from our u20 setup who get "well looked after" with coin. Obviously AO'R too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 07, 2022, 11:49:43 PM
He is a Burren man now who has never managed a team prior to this.A Yes man to the CB.Why was he appointed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 08, 2022, 11:26:59 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 07, 2022, 11:49:43 PM
He is a Burren man now who has never managed a team prior to this.A Yes man to the CB.Why was he appointed?

He has managed a number of teams within burren in led to believe and coached a number of others. Surely it's only right that if you take a county development squad at u15 and u16 level u move onto u17s with them? It's hardly fair on people taking development squads and then handing them over to some "big name" to get all the credit. The amount of people we have in this county who sit in the long grass watching teams being built for them and then step in and claim all the credit is crazy - I think the county board did the right thing here promoting that group of men. How else do they make it appealing for people to get involved with development squads??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 08, 2022, 01:49:36 PM
The most important aspect is to get the best men into these roles even if you have find them in long grass. The current process isn't working.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 08, 2022, 03:50:29 PM
Waiting in the long grass? Claiming the credit?Who has done that?
We've been a disaster at Minor level for years.No credit to be claimed anywhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Phoenix rising on May 08, 2022, 05:16:30 PM
After getting demolished in omagh last year the whole set up should have been ran - no do it the down way and let them carry on - hopefully they have the sense to step aside now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 08, 2022, 05:45:29 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 08, 2022, 03:50:29 PM
Waiting in the long grass? Claiming the credit?Who has done that?
We've been a disaster at Minor level for years.No credit to be claimed anywhere.

Are you telling me that Frank Dawson didn't do that with Clonduff after watching them winning 3 minor Championships in a row. Then with Burren who won 5 U21 championships and 2 Ulster Championships in a row.
Then u have the man of the moment Jim McCorry - took Mayobridge after watching them win underage titles galore, did the same with a Kilcoo group and now doing the same with Burren.
Define a disaster at minor level? No winning games - who Cares?? Kerry won 5 All Irelands in a row but still haven't got their senior crown (prob will this year) so underage success means f**k all in the grand scheme of things.
We have got a plethora of good players through to the senior panel in the last 2/3 years. We are a division 3 outfit at best and the B championship is where we deserve to be. It's time our players stayed out of the paper and knuckled down to a bit of hard work to get us out of this situation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 08, 2022, 05:50:07 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 08, 2022, 05:45:29 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 08, 2022, 03:50:29 PM
Waiting in the long grass? Claiming the credit?Who has done that?
We've been a disaster at Minor level for years.No credit to be claimed anywhere.

Are you telling me that Frank Dawson didn't do that with Clonduff after watching them winning 3 minor Championships in a row. Then with Burren who won 5 U21 championships and 2 Ulster Championships in a row.
Then u have the man of the moment Jim McCorry - took Mayobridge after watching them win underage titles galore, did the same with a Kilcoo group and now doing the same with Burren.
Define a disaster at minor level? No winning games - who Cares?? Kerry won 5 All Irelands in a row but still haven't got their senior crown (prob will this year) so underage success means f**k all in the grand scheme of things.
We have got a plethora of good players through to the senior panel in the last 2/3 years. We are a division 3 outfit at best and the B championship is where we deserve to be. It's time our players stayed out of the paper and knuckled down to a bit of hard work to get us out of this situation.

A disaster at minor level is Down since 2010.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 08, 2022, 06:06:45 PM
Agree. This is mainly because of the mourne academy which is not producing results. The current minor manager was big part in this regime but it is just not his fault. The person overseeing it has to take responsibility.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 08, 2022, 06:39:53 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 08, 2022, 06:06:45 PM
Agree. This is mainly because of the mourne academy which is not producing results. The current minor manager was big part in this regime but it is just not his fault. The person overseeing it has to take responsibility.

Who's the person over seeing the academy?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 08, 2022, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 08, 2022, 05:45:29 PM
so underage success means f**k all in the grand scheme of things.

Its not the be-all and end-all - particularly if you term success as provincial or AI titles.

That said, you simply aren't gonna go from consistently getting turfed out in R1 of the minor championship for years to your seniors winning AIs.


Your looking on average your underage setup to give your senior panel 2 players a year. Some years you might end up with 4 or 5 making the step up, others none. The good years should see a decent championship run (if not a win due to possibly an overall weak team with a few stars) - but 4 or 5 players fit to backbone an AI should be able to carry a minor team to a win or two.

We aren't doing that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 08, 2022, 09:17:24 PM
Pete McGrath
Shane Mulholland
Wee James
Patrick Cunningham

That's who you are saying were disasters. Who else out there would've done better? And if Patrick and his team step down - who is next?? Did you ever just think maybe we don't have the players? I'd say if you went through the whole county senior squad of the last 4/5 years - every player has been a part of the Mourne Academy.  That's hardly a shambles...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 08, 2022, 10:01:15 PM
James did reference many times that we didnt have the players after the defeats during his recent reign as minor manager. CL and MC didnt have these problems with the same group of players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 08, 2022, 10:44:58 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 08, 2022, 10:01:15 PM
James did reference many times that we didnt have the players after the defeats during his recent reign as minor manager. CL and MC didnt have these problems with the same group of players.

CL and MC Didn play any of the big guns in championship either. I feel if u go back a few pages u will see this conversation has happened.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 08, 2022, 11:00:07 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 08, 2022, 10:01:15 PM
James did reference many times that we didnt have the players after the defeats during his recent reign as minor manager. CL and MC didnt have these problems with the same group of players.
the 2020 minors were supposedly the best around and mccartan and poacher couldn't get the team to string a pass together.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 08, 2022, 11:00:38 PM
They were very competitive this year against Tyrone u20s who are now in AIF. No other down team at any age group including seniors have come near a big gun in a long time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 09, 2022, 03:15:54 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 08, 2022, 11:00:07 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 08, 2022, 10:01:15 PM
James did reference many times that we didnt have the players after the defeats during his recent reign as minor manager. CL and MC didnt have these problems with the same group of players.
the 2020 minors were supposedly the best around and mccartan and poacher couldn't get the team to string a pass together.

To be fair with covid both 2020 & 2021 were very difficult seasons for all teams. No judgement should be made based on those two years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 09, 2022, 06:19:43 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 08, 2022, 11:00:38 PM
They were very competitive this year against Tyrone u20s who are now in AIF. No other down team at any age group including seniors have come near a big gun in a long time.

So now winning doesn't really matter - we were very competitive against a team in the AI final.. There are lots and lots of people who simply won't be happy u til Laverty gets the senior job. Then they will find a new angle to complain about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 09, 2022, 07:49:45 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 09, 2022, 06:19:43 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 08, 2022, 11:00:38 PM
They were very competitive this year against Tyrone u20s who are now in AIF. No other down team at any age group including seniors have come near a big gun in a long time.

So now winning doesn't really matter - we were very competitive against a team in the AI final.. There are lots and lots of people who simply won't be happy u til Laverty gets the senior job. Then they will find a new angle to complain about.

Well only one team can win a football match, and if you're competitive in a game of football against a team that goes on to reach the All Ireland final then it's not exactly a negative, no matter how much some people want to make it out to be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 09, 2022, 08:21:51 PM
It is also very clear that there is minority that doent want lavery to get the job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 09, 2022, 08:34:48 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 09, 2022, 08:21:51 PM
It is also very clear that there is minority that doent want lavery to get the job.
The job is currently not available.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 09, 2022, 08:56:54 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 09, 2022, 08:34:48 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 09, 2022, 08:21:51 PM
It is also very clear that there is minority that doent want lavery to get the job.
The job is currently not available.

Does James have any set length of time on his agreement?

I thought he'd taken it for a year to buy time for a more long term management team to be found.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 09, 2022, 10:37:13 PM


Well only one team can win a football match, and if you're competitive in a game of football against a team that goes on to reach the All Ireland final then it's not exactly a negative, no matter how much some people want to make it out to be.
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So the minors getting beaten by the eventual champions on three occasions in James' 5 years is ok then. We were also seriously competitive v Armagh in 2011 when we Pete was in charge - 9 points up at half time I believe. So it's actually all good - we r not that bad at underage after all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 10, 2022, 09:33:18 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 09, 2022, 10:37:13 PM


Well only one team can win a football match, and if you're competitive in a game of football against a team that goes on to reach the All Ireland final then it's not exactly a negative, no matter how much some people want to make it out to be.

So the minors getting beaten by the eventual champions on three occasions in James' 5 years is ok then. We were also seriously competitive v Armagh in 2011 when we Pete was in charge - 9 points up at half time I believe. So it's actually all good - we r not that bad at underage after all.
[/quote]

Nobody said it's "all good" but the likes of yourself seem to just love getting the boot in whatever the situation may be. Does this whole attitude stem from an inherent belief that Down have a devine right to be winning regularly? When in truth only a few counties can win something each year, and all have had peaks and troughs, some like ourselves longer than others, but sport is generally cyclical anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 10, 2022, 10:24:45 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 10, 2022, 09:33:18 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 09, 2022, 10:37:13 PM


Well only one team can win a football match, and if you're competitive in a game of football against a team that goes on to reach the All Ireland final then it's not exactly a negative, no matter how much some people want to make it out to be.

So the minors getting beaten by the eventual champions on three occasions in James' 5 years is ok then. We were also seriously competitive v Armagh in 2011 when we Pete was in charge - 9 points up at half time I believe. So it's actually all good - we r not that bad at underage after all.

Nobody said it's "all good" but the likes of yourself seem to just love getting the boot in whatever the situation may be. Does this whole attitude stem from an inherent belief that Down have a devine right to be winning regularly? When in truth only a few counties can win something each year, and all have had peaks and troughs, some like ourselves longer than others, but sport is generally cyclical anyway.
[/quote]

I'd tend to agree with this statement when it comes to sport. When people describe eg Man City "only" winning the league as a disappointing season, it makes my blood boil. The expectations can never marry the reality.

But 23 years without an Ulster minor title, for a county as populous and football focused as Down, suggests it's more than a cycle.

Over the course of this period, at minor level we said goodbye to the "always competitive" tier inhabited by Tyrone, Derry and Donegal, then almost unflinchingly bypassed the "occasionally competitive" tier where you'd find Monaghan, Armagh and Cavan, and landed head on in with the also-rans of Fermanagh and Antrim (and tbf, Fermanagh do punch quite well when their players align).

The current Down senior football team now fully reflects that descent. The two go hand in hand, except a decade apart.

It's an enormous issue for our county.  Down going (at least) 24 years between minor titles is beyond a statistical anomaly at this stage.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 10, 2022, 12:43:49 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 10, 2022, 10:24:45 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 10, 2022, 09:33:18 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 09, 2022, 10:37:13 PM


Well only one team can win a football match, and if you're competitive in a game of football against a team that goes on to reach the All Ireland final then it's not exactly a negative, no matter how much some people want to make it out to be.

So the minors getting beaten by the eventual champions on three occasions in James' 5 years is ok then. We were also seriously competitive v Armagh in 2011 when we Pete was in charge - 9 points up at half time I believe. So it's actually all good - we r not that bad at underage after all.

Nobody said it's "all good" but the likes of yourself seem to just love getting the boot in whatever the situation may be. Does this whole attitude stem from an inherent belief that Down have a devine right to be winning regularly? When in truth only a few counties can win something each year, and all have had peaks and troughs, some like ourselves longer than others, but sport is generally cyclical anyway.

I'd tend to agree with this statement when it comes to sport. When people describe eg Man City "only" winning the league as a disappointing season, it makes my blood boil. The expectations can never marry the reality.

But 23 years without an Ulster minor title, for a county as populous and football focused as Down, suggests it's more than a cycle.

Over the course of this period, at minor level we said goodbye to the "always competitive" tier inhabited by Tyrone, Derry and Donegal, then almost unflinchingly bypassed the "occasionally competitive" tier where you'd find Monaghan, Armagh and Cavan, and landed head on in with the also-rans of Fermanagh and Antrim (and tbf, Fermanagh do punch quite well when their players align).

The current Down senior football team now fully reflects that descent. The two go hand in hand, except a decade apart.

It's an enormous issue for our county.  Down going (at least) 24 years between minor titles is beyond a statistical anomaly at this stage.
[/quote]

I do not disagree that there has been underachievement. But it's just the constant sniping about it is not productive at all. I hope those that snipe the most are backing it up with their own tremendous work at club level. It is an incredibly competitive environment at intercounty under age now, more than ever. One person in the right role within the county set up can make a hell of a difference. But one person in the right role within each club would make the biggest possible difference. So is that where we should be focusing on first and foremost? Supporting the clubs and their volunteers? Instead of naming and shaming others who get the county roles? I prefer solutions being suggested and discussed rather than the negative things we see on here daily, but sure that's just me. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 10, 2022, 01:01:16 PM
 And by the time the annual Convention comes around before Christmas,the usual officers will be elected and probably not even opposed.The cycle of incompetence will continue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 10, 2022, 02:41:13 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 10, 2022, 01:01:16 PM
And by the time the annual Convention comes around before Christmas,the usual officers will be elected and probably not even opposed.The cycle of incompetence will continue.
And Eugene Brannigan got slated off telling the truth. There is no winning mentality in  the various Down football levels bar last years 20s. There isn't even a competitive mentality.  And it's the lack of competitiveness that gets most people. Whether your good enough the team should still be as fit and as prepared as any other team in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 10, 2022, 03:47:37 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 10, 2022, 01:01:16 PM
And by the time the annual Convention comes around before Christmas,the usual officers will be elected and probably not even opposed.The cycle of incompetence will continue.

There is a way to change that.

Start with going to your club's AGM. Put your hand up and say "I want to be county board rep" and start to make changes from there.

Easier to make changes from within.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 10, 2022, 04:34:56 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 10, 2022, 10:24:45 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 10, 2022, 09:33:18 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 09, 2022, 10:37:13 PM


Well only one team can win a football match, and if you're competitive in a game of football against a team that goes on to reach the All Ireland final then it's not exactly a negative, no matter how much some people want to make it out to be.

So the minors getting beaten by the eventual champions on three occasions in James' 5 years is ok then. We were also seriously competitive v Armagh in 2011 when we Pete was in charge - 9 points up at half time I believe. So it's actually all good - we r not that bad at underage after all.

Nobody said it's "all good" but the likes of yourself seem to just love getting the boot in whatever the situation may be. Does this whole attitude stem from an inherent belief that Down have a devine right to be winning regularly? When in truth only a few counties can win something each year, and all have had peaks and troughs, some like ourselves longer than others, but sport is generally cyclical anyway.

I'd tend to agree with this statement when it comes to sport. When people describe eg Man City "only" winning the league as a disappointing season, it makes my blood boil. The expectations can never marry the reality.

But 23 years without an Ulster minor title, for a county as populous and football focused as Down, suggests it's more than a cycle.

Over the course of this period, at minor level we said goodbye to the "always competitive" tier inhabited by Tyrone, Derry and Donegal, then almost unflinchingly bypassed the "occasionally competitive" tier where you'd find Monaghan, Armagh and Cavan, and landed head on in with the also-rans of Fermanagh and Antrim (and tbf, Fermanagh do punch quite well when their players align).

The current Down senior football team now fully reflects that descent. The two go hand in hand, except a decade apart.

It's an enormous issue for our county. Down going (at least) 24 years between minor titles is beyond a statistical anomaly at this stage.
[/quote]

    24 years from 2005???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FermGael on May 10, 2022, 05:19:52 PM
Has the move in Down Club football to Friday nights had an effect on your county team ?

I always thought Friday night football was a great idea but has it negatively impacted on your county football as players like the idea of having a life ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 10, 2022, 06:54:53 PM
Down minors never won ulster title in 2005. They won the AI through the back door system same year. The last ulster minor title was end of last millennium...1999
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 10, 2022, 07:14:44 PM
Quote from: FermGael on May 10, 2022, 05:19:52 PM
Has the move in Down Club football to Friday nights had an effect on your county team ?

I always thought Friday night football was a great idea but has it negatively impacted on your county football as players like the idea of having a life ?

This train of thought has been dropped on here before. While it seems like madness to me, I suppose it couldn't be ruled out completely..... except there's no reason for this to affect minor footballers, and we haven't produced a title winning batch of those in 17 years. So I'd say Friday nights isn't a factor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 10, 2022, 08:01:34 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 10, 2022, 06:54:53 PM
Down minors never won ulster title in 2005. They won the AI through the back door system same year. The last ulster minor title was end of last millennium...1999
I should have read the whole post before putting my oar in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 10, 2022, 09:24:02 PM
Quote from: FermGael on May 10, 2022, 05:19:52 PM
Has the move in Down Club football to Friday nights had an effect on your county team ?

I always thought Friday night football was a great idea but has it negatively impacted on your county football as players like the idea of having a life ?

Playing on Friday nights frees up the whole weekend, so I don't think it would have a huge impact in terms of the having a life side. From my own experience anyway, I always seen it as a great way to start the weekend (unless you lose, then it's a different story). But I suppose it's not something we'd really be able to figure out unless it was changed for a few years to see if it has an impact, which is probably a bad idea to attempt without really knowing how that would impact clubs and player numbers etc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 11, 2022, 12:12:19 PM
Who were the 4 that walked off the panel? Don't blame them with the Tier 2 cup as they can play with clubs and have a life
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on May 11, 2022, 12:29:25 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 11, 2022, 12:12:19 PM
Who were the 4 that walked off the panel? Don't blame them with the Tier 2 cup as they can play with clubs and have a life

The Gaelic Life named Ryan McEvoy, Gerald Collins, Corey Quinn and Charlie Smyth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2022, 12:42:32 PM
Have a life?
Why wouldn't they have a life If they were playing for Down?
They train a few nights a week like most clubs and played most matches this year on a Saturday
What Down players don't have a life
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 11, 2022, 01:18:26 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on May 11, 2022, 12:29:25 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 11, 2022, 12:12:19 PM
Who were the 4 that walked off the panel? Don't blame them with the Tier 2 cup as they can play with clubs and have a life

The Gaelic Life named Ryan McEvoy, Gerald Collins, Corey Quinn and Charlie Smyth

Against Monaghan McEvoy started and was replaced, Collins came on so it's strange they left. Don't understand why Quinn never got a run as he is the best 6 forwards in the county on any given day. Smyth is the number 4 keeper so that's understandable. A smaller panel and a better team fight could see on compete well in the Taitleann. Eamon Brown is putting in big performances for Clonduff and should be getting watched over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 11, 2022, 01:36:49 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 11, 2022, 12:42:32 PM
Have a life?
Why wouldn't they have a life If they were playing for Down?
They train a few nights a week like most clubs and played most matches this year on a Saturday
What Down players don't have a life

2/3 nights at club training/matches, 2/3 nights at VideoSession/County Training for a competition that's been ignored by the GAA and won't be promoted properly. Too much effort for little reward. New York get a bye into the 1/4s and it's regional fixtures until that point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 11, 2022, 10:55:25 PM
 County panellists not happy about not being allowed to play for their Clubs this weekend.After this week's walkout of 4 players,it's not looking too good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 11, 2022, 10:56:29 PM
McEvoy was very badly behaved in the dressing room after the Monaghan game I hear. A very arrogant young man to speak to a multiple all Ireland winner the way he did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 12, 2022, 08:31:25 AM
Quote from: wobbller on May 04, 2022, 09:44:57 PM
While it's probably not decent to be criticising the Down Senior set-up on here anonymously it's definitely out of order to be doing in a National Newspaper especially when he has never been in or around a County set-up.Kilcoo keep on doing what they have always done and that's pis-ing people off.
Low action by EB.
Zero respect of the Managers from this group of players.Unfortunately but this is the reality of this current panel.James McCartan and his back room team haven't helped in this with their lack of engagement from day one.
   The world has changed and Managers need to change with it to stop what
has happened with this whole set up since their appointment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 12, 2022, 09:37:41 AM
Quote from: wobbller on May 12, 2022, 08:31:25 AM
Quote from: wobbller on May 04, 2022, 09:44:57 PM
While it's probably not decent to be criticising the Down Senior set-up on here anonymously it's definitely out of order to be doing in a National Newspaper especially when he has never been in or around a County set-up.Kilcoo keep on doing what they have always done and that's pis-ing people off.
Low action by EB.
Zero respect of the Managers from this group of players.Unfortunately but this is the reality of this current panel.James McCartan and his back room team haven't helped in this with their lack of engagement from day one.
   The world has changed and Managers need to change with it to stop what
has happened with this whole set up since their appointment.

It's hard to like this group tbh and I feel sorry for James and the likes of Darren O'Hagan who has been a stalwart for years. We've all seen the pics from a Saul man and Kilcoos man socials after the defeat v Monaghan and they were embarrasing. Players being taken off after being roasted and then throwing the dummy out shows the disrespect they have for the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clubman21 on May 12, 2022, 09:56:34 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2022, 09:37:41 AM
Quote from: wobbller on May 12, 2022, 08:31:25 AM
Quote from: wobbller on May 04, 2022, 09:44:57 PM
While it's probably not decent to be criticising the Down Senior set-up on here anonymously it's definitely out of order to be doing in a National Newspaper especially when he has never been in or around a County set-up.Kilcoo keep on doing what they have always done and that's pis-ing people off.
Low action by EB.
Zero respect of the Managers from this group of players.Unfortunately but this is the reality of this current panel.James McCartan and his back room team haven't helped in this with their lack of engagement from day one.
   The world has changed and Managers need to change with it to stop what
has happened with this whole set up since their appointment.

It's hard to like this group tbh and I feel sorry for James and the likes of Darren O'Hagan who has been a stalwart for years. We've all seen the pics from a Saul man and Kilcoos man socials after the defeat v Monaghan and they were embarrasing. Players being taken off after being roasted and then throwing the dummy out shows the disrespect they have for the county.
Have we all? Fill me in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 12, 2022, 10:05:57 AM
I see the new Down GAA coaching and Games development plan for 2022 - 2027 presentation is out to the clubs for review and to presented tonight in the Burrendale.

By the looks of it we're going cap in hand to Croke Park with a plan and we're entirely right to do so.

As I said in our place, these plans aren't worth my arsé full of warm snow unless they translate out onto the green grass in a meaningful way.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 12, 2022, 10:35:12 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 12, 2022, 10:05:57 AM
I see the new Down GAA coaching and Games development plan for 2022 - 2027 presentation is out to the clubs for review and to presented tonight in the Burrendale.

By the looks of it we're going cap in hand to Croke Park with a plan and we're entirely right to do so.

As I said in our place, these plans aren't worth my arsé full of warm snow unless they translate out onto the green grass in a meaningful way.

Have read it through club correspondence. A lot of work done , ambitious plans based on evidence around player development. This is the type of initiative we need and all try to get it on the green grass as u say JC. Hopefully the shot in the arm Down GAA needs,  we are in a good position to become a power again but it will take a patience, commitment and a unity of purpose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rafla ta se on May 12, 2022, 10:51:25 AM
word this morning is Mooney walked last night?  not available saturday - asked to play for club tomorrow night told no and away he went



Posted by: bigarsedkeeper
« on: May 11, 2022, 12:29:25 PM »Insert Quote
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 11, 2022, 12:12:19 PM
Who were the 4 that walked off the panel? Don't blame them with the Tier 2 cup as they can play with clubs and have a life

The Gaelic Life named Ryan McEvoy, Gerald Collins, Corey Quinn and Charlie Smyth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 12, 2022, 11:20:42 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 12, 2022, 10:05:57 AM
I see the new Down GAA coaching and Games development plan for 2022 - 2027 presentation is out to the clubs for review and to presented tonight in the Burrendale.

By the looks of it we're going cap in hand to Croke Park with a plan and we're entirely right to do so.

As I said in our place, these plans aren't worth my arsé full of warm snow unless they translate out onto the green grass in a meaningful way.

can you post it please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 12, 2022, 11:26:58 AM
Very disappointing situation with our county football teams.  It would be great to see everyone pulling together for the cause, everyone willing to make themselves available and having packed grounds of the red and black. Here is hoping.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 12, 2022, 12:35:59 PM
You know folks, sometimes seasons just fall apart.

Usually the best thing everyone can do is just accept it, reach the end of the season as quickly as possible, take a break from each other, and come back with charged batteries and focus.

Withholding players from clubs during the Tailteann Cup is, in my mind, madness. Actually, training for this competition is madness. There is no thirst for it among players, supporters, managers or administrators. Forcing players to choose between club competitions they really want to play in (most of them anyhow) and county competitions they are meh about, well that's just daft.

So just send the players back to their clubs, and field a team in Tailteann when the day comes.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 12, 2022, 01:03:36 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2022, 11:20:42 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 12, 2022, 10:05:57 AM
I see the new Down GAA coaching and Games development plan for 2022 - 2027 presentation is out to the clubs for review and to presented tonight in the Burrendale.

By the looks of it we're going cap in hand to Croke Park with a plan and we're entirely right to do so.

As I said in our place, these plans aren't worth my arsé full of warm snow unless they translate out onto the green grass in a meaningful way.

can you post it please?

It's a PPT.

Speak to you club secretary, they'll have it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 12, 2022, 01:25:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 12, 2022, 12:35:59 PM
You know folks, sometimes seasons just fall apart.

Usually the best thing everyone can do is just accept it, reach the end of the season as quickly as possible, take a break from each other, and come back with charged batteries and focus.

Withholding players from clubs during the Tailteann Cup is, in my mind, madness. Actually, training for this competition is madness. There is no thirst for it among players, supporters, managers or administrators. Forcing players to choose between club competitions they really want to play in (most of them anyhow) and county competitions they are meh about, well that's just daft.

So just send the players back to their clubs, and field a team in Tailteann when the day comes.

+1 On TheWobs side for once on here lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 12, 2022, 02:43:22 PM
I think James is weeding out the bluffers, for Down to improve they need to create a culture of pride and not egos. A few lads think they are too good even though they have failed to perform. When you have a fall out with every manager you play for then you have to evaluate whether they are you are the root cause of the problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on May 12, 2022, 03:20:13 PM
From what I thought, i always would have thought Mooney as much more of a county man than a club man, from the impression I got anyway he seemed to care much more about Down GAA than rostrevor, so im rathered suprised that he would have walked from the county over not being able to play for Downpatrick. This may be the case indeed, but im still a tad suprised
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 12, 2022, 07:44:17 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on May 12, 2022, 03:20:13 PM
From what I thought, i always would have thought Mooney as much more of a county man than a club man, from the impression I got anyway he seemed to care much more about Down GAA than rostrevor, so im rathered suprised that he would have walked from the county over not being able to play for Downpatrick. This may be the case indeed, but im still a tad suprised

Maybe missing another 2 club games was just too much, and RGU have had a few poor results so helping to keep his club in division 1 would be more appealing than a couple of games in a competition most players didn't want. You could maybe understand them being asked not to play next weekend, but not this weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 12, 2022, 08:27:06 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 12, 2022, 02:43:22 PM
I think James is weeding out the bluffers, for Down to improve they need to create a culture of pride and not egos. A few lads think they are too good even though they have failed to perform. When you have a fall out with every manager you play for then you have to evaluate whether they are you are the root cause of the problem.
James hasn't weeded out the bluffers.Some players have walked out on him.Other than a few lightweights who were removed from the extended panel ongoing it's as you were.James should
have walked about three weeks ago when the discipline broke down.He showed weakness by coming
back.He has certainly gone down in a lot of people's estimation in his handling of the affairs. When he came back he should shown the road to the rule breakers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 12, 2022, 09:30:56 PM
Fair amount of fellas on here who've obviously managed and coached at the highest level. All the solutions right here. Who'd have thunk
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on May 12, 2022, 10:36:46 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 12, 2022, 07:44:17 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on May 12, 2022, 03:20:13 PM
From what I thought, i always would have thought Mooney as much more of a county man than a club man, from the impression I got anyway he seemed to care much more about Down GAA than rostrevor, so im rathered suprised that he would have walked from the county over not being able to play for Downpatrick. This may be the case indeed, but im still a tad suprised

Maybe missing another 2 club games was just too much, and RGU have had a few poor results so helping to keep his club in division 1 would be more appealing than a couple of games in a competition most players didn't want. You could maybe understand them being asked not to play next weekend, but not this weekend.

Down have a challenge match on Saturday apparently. Guess this is why county players have been asked not to play tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2022, 10:48:06 PM
Down better going with 30 players who want to play for Down and not disappear to America, Australia or drop if the panel. Derry went through 107 players in less than 10yrs, it was a joke. Down beat Derry in Newry 2yrs ago. Gallagher got rid of maybe 8/10 players I have thought good enough to start / on the panel. Due to either attitude or couldn't commit. Down gonna go the same way. Derry keep Slaughtneil on board to backbone the team, Kilcoo seem to they too good for the county team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 12, 2022, 11:10:32 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2022, 10:48:06 PM
Down better going with 30 players who want to play for Down and not disappear to America, Australia or drop if the panel. Derry went through 107 players in less than 10yrs, it was a joke. Down beat Derry in Newry 2yrs ago. Gallagher got rid of maybe 8/10 players I have thought good enough to start / on the panel. Due to either attitude or couldn't commit. Down gonna go the same way. Derry keep Slaughtneil on board to backbone the team, Kilcoo seem to they too good for the county team.

Down are in a potentially strong position . Worst case scenario is they go to div 4.  Conor Laverty and his set up will look after emerging talent at u20. New coaching development pathway could be Dublinesque with GPO support in every club . Kilcoo's all-ireland success will hopefully convert to county spin-off over next couple of years( this usually happens with successful club teams). Ballykinlar due to start .
Importantly we will hopefully benefit from lowered expectations , allowing us to focus on development with mature realism . We are nowhere near a top football county for a variety of reasons. We are close to rock bottom . Let's get organised, get real and we have enough opportunities as listed above to be able to weed out those without the attitude required for the top. What have we got to lose anymore?
If players either can't or won't commit , move on with those that will ( no resentment towards those that can't/won't commit). There is no current Down player that is indispensable , and apart from Kilcoo , few are winners at present . Let's get behind a medium to long term plan, and sacrifice short term
Success to focus on getting our ethos right .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 12, 2022, 11:52:44 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 12, 2022, 11:10:32 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2022, 10:48:06 PM
Down better going with 30 players who want to play for Down and not disappear to America, Australia or drop if the panel. Derry went through 107 players in less than 10yrs, it was a joke. Down beat Derry in Newry 2yrs ago. Gallagher got rid of maybe 8/10 players I have thought good enough to start / on the panel. Due to either attitude or couldn't commit. Down gonna go the same way. Derry keep Slaughtneil on board to backbone the team, Kilcoo seem to they too good for the county team.

Down are in a potentially strong position . Worst case scenario is they go to div 4.  Conor Laverty and his set up will look after emerging talent at u20. New coaching development pathway could be Dublinesque with GPO support in every club . Kilcoo's all-ireland success will hopefully convert to county spin-off over next couple of years( this usually happens with successful club teams). Ballykinlar due to start .
Importantly we will hopefully benefit from lowered expectations , allowing us to focus on development with mature realism . We are nowhere near a top football county for a variety of reasons. We are close to rock bottom . Let's get organised, get real and we have enough opportunities as listed above to be able to weed out those without the attitude required for the top. What have we got to lose anymore?
If players either can't or won't commit , move on with those that will ( no resentment towards those that can't/won't commit). There is no current Down player that is indispensable , and apart from Kilcoo , few are winners at present . Let's get behind a medium to long term plan, and sacrifice short term
Success to focus on getting our ethos right .
Let's get behind Conor & Karl in the revolution.On the subject of ethos- Conor is managing who this season for free?🤪
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rafla ta se on May 13, 2022, 10:10:05 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 12, 2022, 11:52:44 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 12, 2022, 11:10:32 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2022, 10:48:06 PM
Down better going with 30 players who want to play for Down and not disappear to America, Australia or drop if the panel. Derry went through 107 players in less than 10yrs, it was a joke. Down beat Derry in Newry 2yrs ago. Gallagher got rid of maybe 8/10 players I have thought good enough to start / on the panel. Due to either attitude or couldn't commit. Down gonna go the same way. Derry keep Slaughtneil on board to backbone the team, Kilcoo seem to they too good for the county team.

Down are in a potentially strong position . Worst case scenario is they go to div 4.  Conor Laverty and his set up will look after emerging talent at u20. New coaching development pathway could be Dublinesque with GPO support in every club . Kilcoo's all-ireland success will hopefully convert to county spin-off over next couple of years( this usually happens with successful club teams). Ballykinlar due to start .
Importantly we will hopefully benefit from lowered expectations , allowing us to focus on development with mature realism . We are nowhere near a top football county for a variety of reasons. We are close to rock bottom . Let's get organised, get real and we have enough opportunities as listed above to be able to weed out those without the attitude required for the top. What have we got to lose anymore?
If players either can't or won't commit , move on with those that will ( no resentment towards those that can't/won't commit). There is no current Down player that is indispensable , and apart from Kilcoo , few are winners at present . Let's get behind a medium to long term plan, and sacrifice short term
Success to focus on getting our ethos right .
Let's get behind Conor & Karl in the revolution.On the subject of ethos- Conor is managing who this season for free?🤪

::) 6thSam may have the answer re free managment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 13, 2022, 10:26:42 AM
Quote from: Too many steps on May 12, 2022, 10:36:46 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 12, 2022, 07:44:17 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on May 12, 2022, 03:20:13 PM
From what I thought, i always would have thought Mooney as much more of a county man than a club man, from the impression I got anyway he seemed to care much more about Down GAA than rostrevor, so im rathered suprised that he would have walked from the county over not being able to play for Downpatrick. This may be the case indeed, but im still a tad suprised

Maybe missing another 2 club games was just too much, and RGU have had a few poor results so helping to keep his club in division 1 would be more appealing than a couple of games in a competition most players didn't want. You could maybe understand them being asked not to play next weekend, but not this weekend.

Down have a challenge match on Saturday apparently. Guess this is why county players have been asked not to play tomorrow.

Ah right. Well then I suppose you could ask why they weren't allowed to play club and have the challenge game in a few days but I suppose that would present other problems with planning for the Tailteann Cup match
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 13, 2022, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2022, 10:48:06 PM
Down better going with 30 players who want to play for Down and not disappear to America, Australia or drop if the panel. Derry went through 107 players in less than 10yrs, it was a joke. Down beat Derry in Newry 2yrs ago. Gallagher got rid of maybe 8/10 players I have thought good enough to start / on the panel. Due to either attitude or couldn't commit. Down gonna go the same way. Derry keep Slaughtneil on board to backbone the team, Kilcoo seem to they too good for the county team.
I think we're all up for building for the future but if we look back at the most recent plan prior to this,we know the results of that by our current situation.Who was in charge of implementing that and who is in charge of bringing this latest idea to fruition?The answer to this is critical as to the prospects of this plan succeeding.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 13, 2022, 11:28:00 AM
Taken from an article in Irish News - Jan 2016.

Quote.....the main focus for the Mourne county is ending the barren run they find themselves on at present. No Ulster senior football title in 22 years. No Ulster minor football title in 17 years (although there was an All-Ireland in between). Just three provincial U21 titles since the mid-1980s.

It is not a particularly healthy recent roll of honour. They know that themselves. They're reminded of it often enough. But over the past year-and-a-half, the building blocks for the restoration of Down's lofty reputation have been laid.

1991 All-Ireland winning captain Paddy O'Rourke was appointed last November to head a steering committee for the new Mourne Academy. By that stage, he had a year under him of working with the county's development squads. James McCartan, who only stepped away from the senior job at the end of the 2014 season, has already been tempted back in to try and boost Down's quest to return to the top table at minor level.

The likes of '94 captain DJ Kane, professor Niall Moyna (who acts as a consultant) and county development manager Conor O'Toole are also on the steering group: "Two years ago, we launched a consultative programme," says long-serving Down county secretary Seán Óg McAteer.

"We took in a wonderful man, David Passmore, a senior lecturer in DCU, whose background is Irish hockey. He's done a really in-depth report, having consulted widely with schools, clubs, former players, people who were interested in Down football.

"In the past, we've done four plans in hurling and never one in football. For a county like Down never to have looked at its football from Maurice Hayes' time..."

That was part of the problem. 'The Down Way' brought regular success from 1960 until the mid-90s, give or take an odd blip. But at present, Down are enduring their longest spell without senior success since the years prior to their 1959 Ulster title.

For Newry Mitchel's man McAteer, one of the keys to bringing the county back to the top table is expanding Gaelic games through the schools: "Currently, we're in 86 primary schools through a coaching programme. We'd really like to broaden that.

"We're in some integrated schools, but we'd really like to get into state schools as well. Not to shove anything down anybody's throat, but to let them sample Gaelic games. To actually just have taster sessions and tell them the story of what Down's about.

"You go somewhere and someone asks where you're from, you'll say county Derry, I'll say county Down. It's one thing that unites people. It isn't a badge of anything; it's where you're from. The people from Comber, Saintfield, Newtownards are as much a Down person as anyone from Newry or Downpatrick or Kilcoo.

"We've got something there that can be a brand that unites people. That's something we'd like to explore by telling our story through the communities and schools over the next few years."

The issues Down face are not unique. Other counties have similar problems. For Derry, it is the city. For Antrim, it's the middle of Belfast. Donegal have their struggles in Letterkenny.

Soccer and rugby, particularly the growth of the latter, continue to enjoy a duopoly on the youth's imagination. The bigger the population base, the wider the sporting pallet of the inhabitants.

Take the 2005 All-Ireland minor winning squad. Two "major population centres", as McAteer puts it, of Newry and Downpatrick provided precisely none of what was, at one stage, a 38-man squad.

In Newry, the Shamrocks and John Bosco are both in Division Three. John Mitchel's are in Division Four. And yet, out in the hinterlands, Ballyholland, Glenn, Saval and clubs like them thrive in the top flight.

"There's a problem there definitely, within Newry. There's a lot of work being done in all of those clubs at underage levels," McAteer added.

"We have to try as a county to allow that work to happen and to develop it at underage through the schools. We have to try and ensure there are as many people as possible in Newry playing Gaelic football and hurling as possible.

"We have to look at Newry and Downpatrick in particular, but there are other urban centres there too. You have Banbridge, Kilkeel, Warrenpoint, all growing towns. You have that area of St Paul's and Holywood and Newtownards and nobody from those population centres about county panels. That needs to change if we're going to be successful.

"This year, as part of James' work with the minors, we've set up coaching clinics in Belfast, which run on a weekly basis, targeting young players from around Bredagh, St Paul's, Carryduff, Drumaness, Darragh Cross and people from the schools in Belfast. It's not just our usual schools that need to be targeted; it's all the schools in the Belfast area. In all those schools, there's people playing Gaelic games, at home or wherever.

"We hope that project will come to fruition and we'll maybe get a few to county minor panels. We mightn't get anybody, but at least those boys are exposed to good quality coaching for 10 weeks and the opportunity to get onto a Down minor panel. We have to be creative. We are being imaginative. These things will take time to come."

A passionate McAteer also clarified comments he made at the recent Down convention. In his report, McAteer hit out at the media, suggesting the "ethos of the GAA... is not something of interest" to reporters who also cover soccer and rugby.

However, he told The Irish News earlier this week he respects that people have opinions and that they're entitled to offer them: "Last year, we were probably getting a bit of a kicking at times. I'm passionate about Down GAA, it's my life and my work," he said.

"But we have to respect that the people within The Irish News provide a vital outlet for the promotion of our games. We have to be positive about that as well. We saw the value of that when we advertised our club championship games in The Irish News this year and we saw our gates increase. We saw the number of people at our games increase because we positively marketed our games through The Irish News.

"It's a two-way street. We recognise the work that journalists do in promoting our games. It's vital that we're an open house for journalists. There's no room within Down for us to be a closed house. We have to respect that journalists have a job to do. We mightn't always agree with what they say, but we have to respect that people have opinions and that they're entitled to offer them."

Back to the job in hand and a determined McAteer sees high hopes for Down. The timeframe for Down success? Between seven and 10 years, according to the report produced by David Passmore.

If things go to plan, that is the timeframe inside which Down hope to be back competing for Ulster and All-Ireland titles regularly: "You will get to the top table at different stages in that time, but we need to be consistently there," said McAteer.

"You're not always going to win because there's only ever one team at each age group that will win. But we need to be consistently at the top table."


QuoteMourne County GAA Academy under the chairmanship of former All-Ireland winning captain Paddy O'Rourke. Other members of the Group include 1994 All-Ireland winning captain DJ Kane (Newry Shamrocks), Declan Mussen (Kilcoo), Dr Eddie Harney (Saul), Joe Tunney (Carryduff), James McCartan (Minor Manager), Conor O'Toole (County Development Manager), Tom Potter (Coaching Officer) and Professor Niall Moyna (DCU) who will act as a consultant/advisor to the group.

Id love someone to give an update on how all this is going roughly 6 years after this was all conceived.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 13, 2022, 12:04:38 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 13, 2022, 11:28:00 AM
Taken from an article in Irish News - Jan 2016.

Quote.....the main focus for the Mourne county is ending the barren run they find themselves on at present. No Ulster senior football title in 22 years. No Ulster minor football title in 17 years (although there was an All-Ireland in between). Just three provincial U21 titles since the mid-1980s.

It is not a particularly healthy recent roll of honour. They know that themselves. They're reminded of it often enough. But over the past year-and-a-half, the building blocks for the restoration of Down's lofty reputation have been laid.

1991 All-Ireland winning captain Paddy O'Rourke was appointed last November to head a steering committee for the new Mourne Academy. By that stage, he had a year under him of working with the county's development squads. James McCartan, who only stepped away from the senior job at the end of the 2014 season, has already been tempted back in to try and boost Down's quest to return to the top table at minor level.

The likes of '94 captain DJ Kane, professor Niall Moyna (who acts as a consultant) and county development manager Conor O'Toole are also on the steering group: "Two years ago, we launched a consultative programme," says long-serving Down county secretary Seán Óg McAteer.

"We took in a wonderful man, David Passmore, a senior lecturer in DCU, whose background is Irish hockey. He's done a really in-depth report, having consulted widely with schools, clubs, former players, people who were interested in Down football.

"In the past, we've done four plans in hurling and never one in football. For a county like Down never to have looked at its football from Maurice Hayes' time..."

That was part of the problem. 'The Down Way' brought regular success from 1960 until the mid-90s, give or take an odd blip. But at present, Down are enduring their longest spell without senior success since the years prior to their 1959 Ulster title.

For Newry Mitchel's man McAteer, one of the keys to bringing the county back to the top table is expanding Gaelic games through the schools: "Currently, we're in 86 primary schools through a coaching programme. We'd really like to broaden that.

"We're in some integrated schools, but we'd really like to get into state schools as well. Not to shove anything down anybody's throat, but to let them sample Gaelic games. To actually just have taster sessions and tell them the story of what Down's about.

"You go somewhere and someone asks where you're from, you'll say county Derry, I'll say county Down. It's one thing that unites people. It isn't a badge of anything; it's where you're from. The people from Comber, Saintfield, Newtownards are as much a Down person as anyone from Newry or Downpatrick or Kilcoo.

"We've got something there that can be a brand that unites people. That's something we'd like to explore by telling our story through the communities and schools over the next few years."

The issues Down face are not unique. Other counties have similar problems. For Derry, it is the city. For Antrim, it's the middle of Belfast. Donegal have their struggles in Letterkenny.

Soccer and rugby, particularly the growth of the latter, continue to enjoy a duopoly on the youth's imagination. The bigger the population base, the wider the sporting pallet of the inhabitants.

Take the 2005 All-Ireland minor winning squad. Two "major population centres", as McAteer puts it, of Newry and Downpatrick provided precisely none of what was, at one stage, a 38-man squad.

In Newry, the Shamrocks and John Bosco are both in Division Three. John Mitchel's are in Division Four. And yet, out in the hinterlands, Ballyholland, Glenn, Saval and clubs like them thrive in the top flight.

"There's a problem there definitely, within Newry. There's a lot of work being done in all of those clubs at underage levels," McAteer added.

"We have to try as a county to allow that work to happen and to develop it at underage through the schools. We have to try and ensure there are as many people as possible in Newry playing Gaelic football and hurling as possible.

"We have to look at Newry and Downpatrick in particular, but there are other urban centres there too. You have Banbridge, Kilkeel, Warrenpoint, all growing towns. You have that area of St Paul's and Holywood and Newtownards and nobody from those population centres about county panels. That needs to change if we're going to be successful.

"This year, as part of James' work with the minors, we've set up coaching clinics in Belfast, which run on a weekly basis, targeting young players from around Bredagh, St Paul's, Carryduff, Drumaness, Darragh Cross and people from the schools in Belfast. It's not just our usual schools that need to be targeted; it's all the schools in the Belfast area. In all those schools, there's people playing Gaelic games, at home or wherever.

"We hope that project will come to fruition and we'll maybe get a few to county minor panels. We mightn't get anybody, but at least those boys are exposed to good quality coaching for 10 weeks and the opportunity to get onto a Down minor panel. We have to be creative. We are being imaginative. These things will take time to come."

A passionate McAteer also clarified comments he made at the recent Down convention. In his report, McAteer hit out at the media, suggesting the "ethos of the GAA... is not something of interest" to reporters who also cover soccer and rugby.

However, he told The Irish News earlier this week he respects that people have opinions and that they're entitled to offer them: "Last year, we were probably getting a bit of a kicking at times. I'm passionate about Down GAA, it's my life and my work," he said.

"But we have to respect that the people within The Irish News provide a vital outlet for the promotion of our games. We have to be positive about that as well. We saw the value of that when we advertised our club championship games in The Irish News this year and we saw our gates increase. We saw the number of people at our games increase because we positively marketed our games through The Irish News.

"It's a two-way street. We recognise the work that journalists do in promoting our games. It's vital that we're an open house for journalists. There's no room within Down for us to be a closed house. We have to respect that journalists have a job to do. We mightn't always agree with what they say, but we have to respect that people have opinions and that they're entitled to offer them."

Back to the job in hand and a determined McAteer sees high hopes for Down. The timeframe for Down success? Between seven and 10 years, according to the report produced by David Passmore.

If things go to plan, that is the timeframe inside which Down hope to be back competing for Ulster and All-Ireland titles regularly: "You will get to the top table at different stages in that time, but we need to be consistently there," said McAteer.

"You're not always going to win because there's only ever one team at each age group that will win. But we need to be consistently at the top table."


QuoteMourne County GAA Academy under the chairmanship of former All-Ireland winning captain Paddy O'Rourke. Other members of the Group include 1994 All-Ireland winning captain DJ Kane (Newry Shamrocks), Declan Mussen (Kilcoo), Dr Eddie Harney (Saul), Joe Tunney (Carryduff), James McCartan (Minor Manager), Conor O'Toole (County Development Manager), Tom Potter (Coaching Officer) and Professor Niall Moyna (DCU) who will act as a consultant/advisor to the group.

Id love someone to give an update on how all this is going roughly 6 years after this was all conceived.
My point exactly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 01:01:09 PM
I would be skeptical about these plans as they look good on powerpoint but implementing them is the problem and the one thing you need is money to get these done and that will be the issue.
Our number one focus should be getting Ballykinlar built.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on May 13, 2022, 01:24:47 PM
Accountability and transparency are huge factors.
Without them, there is no integrity and people lose confidence and have no faith in decision-makers and the structures they apparently uphold.
When you hear about task forces, steering committees, focus groups, think tanks etc it pretty much smells of bullshit, smoke and mirrors. And for a long time people in the county have been blinded by the bullshit and swallowed it whole.

A brush should be taken to that county board and the unelected figures in the background that use them as puppets roaded.
Jobs for the boys.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 13, 2022, 02:32:45 PM
I believe county players are now available for clubs tonight, and the challenge game is cancelled.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 13, 2022, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 13, 2022, 01:24:47 PM
Accountability and transparency are huge factors.
Without them, there is no integrity and people lose confidence and have no faith in decision-makers and the structures they apparently uphold.
When you hear about task forces, steering committees, focus groups, think tanks etc it pretty much smells of bullshit, smoke and mirrors. And for a long time people in the county have been blinded by the bullshit and swallowed it whole.

A brush should be taken to that county board and the unelected figures in the background that use them as puppets roaded.
Jobs for the boys.
Have a friend who's son is on the Down U16 Dev Squad and a nephew who is on the Tyrone U16 one.The Down squad are scheduled to meet 6 times from the start of the year up to the end of August.Tyrone have met at least twice every three weeks but it's mostly weekly around this time of the year.Manager of the Down squad is Benny Coulter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 13, 2022, 03:14:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 01:01:09 PM
I would be skeptical about these plans as they look good on powerpoint but implementing them is the problem and the one thing you need is money to get these done and that will be the issue.
Our number one focus should be getting Ballykinlar built.
Can you post the new plans?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 13, 2022, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 13, 2022, 01:24:47 PM
Accountability and transparency are huge factors.
Without them, there is no integrity and people lose confidence and have no faith in decision-makers and the structures they apparently uphold.
When you hear about task forces, steering committees, focus groups, think tanks etc it pretty much smells of bullshit, smoke and mirrors. And for a long time people in the county have been blinded by the bullshit and swallowed it whole.

A brush should be taken to that county board and the unelected figures in the background that use them as puppets roaded.
Jobs for the boys.
Have a friend who's son is on the Down U16 Dev Squad and a nephew who is on the Tyrone U16 one.The Down squad are scheduled to meet 6 times from the start of the year up to the end of August.Tyrone have met at least twice every three weeks but it's mostly weekly around this time of the year.Manager of the Down squad is Benny Coulter.

What is your point,  a quick glance on social media would see that Down u15 and u16s have been playing plenty of matches? What would be the point of taking kids halfway across the county to train when they are already getting coaching 2-3 times a week in their clubs with a match on a Monday night!
BTW that is a gripe of mine, carrying 50 odd lads on a development squad !!

Apparently Mooney is back in the Down camp.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 13, 2022, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 13, 2022, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 13, 2022, 01:24:47 PM
Accountability and transparency are huge factors.
Without them, there is no integrity and people lose confidence and have no faith in decision-makers and the structures they apparently uphold.
When you hear about task forces, steering committees, focus groups, think tanks etc it pretty much smells of bullshit, smoke and mirrors. And for a long time people in the county have been blinded by the bullshit and swallowed it whole.

A brush should be taken to that county board and the unelected figures in the background that use them as puppets roaded.
Jobs for the boys.
Have a friend who's son is on the Down U16 Dev Squad and a nephew who is on the Tyrone U16 one.The Down squad are scheduled to meet 6 times from the start of the year up to the end of August.Tyrone have met at least twice every three weeks but it's mostly weekly around this time of the year.Manager of the Down squad is Benny Coulter.

What is your point,  a quick glance on social media would see that Down u15 and u16s have been playing plenty of matches? What would be the point of taking kids halfway across the county to train when they are already getting coaching 2-3 times a week in their clubs with a match on a Monday night!
BTW that is a gripe of mine, carrying 50 odd lads on a development squad !!

Apparently Mooney is back in the Down camp.
So TruthHurts,Tyrone have got it wrong all these years.
We're doing it correctly and getting exactly what for this good practice?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 13, 2022, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 13, 2022, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 13, 2022, 01:24:47 PM
Accountability and transparency are huge factors.
Without them, there is no integrity and people lose confidence and have no faith in decision-makers and the structures they apparently uphold.
When you hear about task forces, steering committees, focus groups, think tanks etc it pretty much smells of bullshit, smoke and mirrors. And for a long time people in the county have been blinded by the bullshit and swallowed it whole.

A brush should be taken to that county board and the unelected figures in the background that use them as puppets roaded.
Jobs for the boys.
Have a friend who's son is on the Down U16 Dev Squad and a nephew who is on the Tyrone U16 one.The Down squad are scheduled to meet 6 times from the start of the year up to the end of August.Tyrone have met at least twice every three weeks but it's mostly weekly around this time of the year.Manager of the Down squad is Benny Coulter.

What is your point,  a quick glance on social media would see that Down u15 and u16s have been playing plenty of matches? What would be the point of taking kids halfway across the county to train when they are already getting coaching 2-3 times a week in their clubs with a match on a Monday night!
BTW that is a gripe of mine, carrying 50 odd lads on a development squad !!

Apparently Mooney is back in the Down camp.
So TruthHurts,Tyrone have got it wrong all these years.
We're doing it correctly and getting exactly what for this good practice?

I do not get what you are getting at?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 13, 2022, 04:10:36 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 13, 2022, 11:28:00 AM
Taken from an article in Irish News - Jan 2016.

Quote.....the main focus for the Mourne county is ending the barren run they find themselves on at present. No Ulster senior football title in 22 years. No Ulster minor football title in 17 years (although there was an All-Ireland in between). Just three provincial U21 titles since the mid-1980s.

It is not a particularly healthy recent roll of honour. They know that themselves. They're reminded of it often enough. But over the past year-and-a-half, the building blocks for the restoration of Down's lofty reputation have been laid.

1991 All-Ireland winning captain Paddy O'Rourke was appointed last November to head a steering committee for the new Mourne Academy. By that stage, he had a year under him of working with the county's development squads. James McCartan, who only stepped away from the senior job at the end of the 2014 season, has already been tempted back in to try and boost Down's quest to return to the top table at minor level.

The likes of '94 captain DJ Kane, professor Niall Moyna (who acts as a consultant) and county development manager Conor O'Toole are also on the steering group: "Two years ago, we launched a consultative programme," says long-serving Down county secretary Seán Óg McAteer.

"We took in a wonderful man, David Passmore, a senior lecturer in DCU, whose background is Irish hockey. He's done a really in-depth report, having consulted widely with schools, clubs, former players, people who were interested in Down football.

"In the past, we've done four plans in hurling and never one in football. For a county like Down never to have looked at its football from Maurice Hayes' time..."

That was part of the problem. 'The Down Way' brought regular success from 1960 until the mid-90s, give or take an odd blip. But at present, Down are enduring their longest spell without senior success since the years prior to their 1959 Ulster title.

For Newry Mitchel's man McAteer, one of the keys to bringing the county back to the top table is expanding Gaelic games through the schools: "Currently, we're in 86 primary schools through a coaching programme. We'd really like to broaden that.

"We're in some integrated schools, but we'd really like to get into state schools as well. Not to shove anything down anybody's throat, but to let them sample Gaelic games. To actually just have taster sessions and tell them the story of what Down's about.

"You go somewhere and someone asks where you're from, you'll say county Derry, I'll say county Down. It's one thing that unites people. It isn't a badge of anything; it's where you're from. The people from Comber, Saintfield, Newtownards are as much a Down person as anyone from Newry or Downpatrick or Kilcoo.

"We've got something there that can be a brand that unites people. That's something we'd like to explore by telling our story through the communities and schools over the next few years."

The issues Down face are not unique. Other counties have similar problems. For Derry, it is the city. For Antrim, it's the middle of Belfast. Donegal have their struggles in Letterkenny.

Soccer and rugby, particularly the growth of the latter, continue to enjoy a duopoly on the youth's imagination. The bigger the population base, the wider the sporting pallet of the inhabitants.

Take the 2005 All-Ireland minor winning squad. Two "major population centres", as McAteer puts it, of Newry and Downpatrick provided precisely none of what was, at one stage, a 38-man squad.

In Newry, the Shamrocks and John Bosco are both in Division Three. John Mitchel's are in Division Four. And yet, out in the hinterlands, Ballyholland, Glenn, Saval and clubs like them thrive in the top flight.

"There's a problem there definitely, within Newry. There's a lot of work being done in all of those clubs at underage levels," McAteer added.

"We have to try as a county to allow that work to happen and to develop it at underage through the schools. We have to try and ensure there are as many people as possible in Newry playing Gaelic football and hurling as possible.

"We have to look at Newry and Downpatrick in particular, but there are other urban centres there too. You have Banbridge, Kilkeel, Warrenpoint, all growing towns. You have that area of St Paul's and Holywood and Newtownards and nobody from those population centres about county panels. That needs to change if we're going to be successful.

"This year, as part of James' work with the minors, we've set up coaching clinics in Belfast, which run on a weekly basis, targeting young players from around Bredagh, St Paul's, Carryduff, Drumaness, Darragh Cross and people from the schools in Belfast. It's not just our usual schools that need to be targeted; it's all the schools in the Belfast area. In all those schools, there's people playing Gaelic games, at home or wherever.

"We hope that project will come to fruition and we'll maybe get a few to county minor panels. We mightn't get anybody, but at least those boys are exposed to good quality coaching for 10 weeks and the opportunity to get onto a Down minor panel. We have to be creative. We are being imaginative. These things will take time to come."

A passionate McAteer also clarified comments he made at the recent Down convention. In his report, McAteer hit out at the media, suggesting the "ethos of the GAA... is not something of interest" to reporters who also cover soccer and rugby.

However, he told The Irish News earlier this week he respects that people have opinions and that they're entitled to offer them: "Last year, we were probably getting a bit of a kicking at times. I'm passionate about Down GAA, it's my life and my work," he said.

"But we have to respect that the people within The Irish News provide a vital outlet for the promotion of our games. We have to be positive about that as well. We saw the value of that when we advertised our club championship games in The Irish News this year and we saw our gates increase. We saw the number of people at our games increase because we positively marketed our games through The Irish News.

"It's a two-way street. We recognise the work that journalists do in promoting our games. It's vital that we're an open house for journalists. There's no room within Down for us to be a closed house. We have to respect that journalists have a job to do. We mightn't always agree with what they say, but we have to respect that people have opinions and that they're entitled to offer them."

Back to the job in hand and a determined McAteer sees high hopes for Down. The timeframe for Down success? Between seven and 10 years, according to the report produced by David Passmore.

If things go to plan, that is the timeframe inside which Down hope to be back competing for Ulster and All-Ireland titles regularly: "You will get to the top table at different stages in that time, but we need to be consistently there," said McAteer.

"You're not always going to win because there's only ever one team at each age group that will win. But we need to be consistently at the top table."


QuoteMourne County GAA Academy under the chairmanship of former All-Ireland winning captain Paddy O'Rourke. Other members of the Group include 1994 All-Ireland winning captain DJ Kane (Newry Shamrocks), Declan Mussen (Kilcoo), Dr Eddie Harney (Saul), Joe Tunney (Carryduff), James McCartan (Minor Manager), Conor O'Toole (County Development Manager), Tom Potter (Coaching Officer) and Professor Niall Moyna (DCU) who will act as a consultant/advisor to the group.

Id love someone to give an update on how all this is going roughly 6 years after this was all conceived.

4 plans for hurling, I know of one done by a clubmember of mine of my fathers generation "Getting Down to Hurl" and as I said before putting a plan on paper is one thing, on the grass is another and I don't think any of his recommendations ever made it to fruition.

The others must also be gathering dust somewhere


FWIW, I do believe the change in how U13's are structured this year is a good thing although ultimately I would like to see the return of U12, U14, U16 and U18 instead of U13 go games, and U15 and U17 full rules.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 13, 2022, 04:15:52 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 13, 2022, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 13, 2022, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 13, 2022, 01:24:47 PM
Accountability and transparency are huge factors.
Without them, there is no integrity and people lose confidence and have no faith in decision-makers and the structures they apparently uphold.
When you hear about task forces, steering committees, focus groups, think tanks etc it pretty much smells of bullshit, smoke and mirrors. And for a long time people in the county have been blinded by the bullshit and swallowed it whole.

A brush should be taken to that county board and the unelected figures in the background that use them as puppets roaded.
Jobs for the boys.
Have a friend who's son is on the Down U16 Dev Squad and a nephew who is on the Tyrone U16 one.The Down squad are scheduled to meet 6 times from the start of the year up to the end of August.Tyrone have met at least twice every three weeks but it's mostly weekly around this time of the year.Manager of the Down squad is Benny Coulter.

What is your point,  a quick glance on social media would see that Down u15 and u16s have been playing plenty of matches? What would be the point of taking kids halfway across the county to train when they are already getting coaching 2-3 times a week in their clubs with a match on a Monday night!
BTW that is a gripe of mine, carrying 50 odd lads on a development squad !!

Apparently Mooney is back in the Down camp.
So TruthHurts,Tyrone have got it wrong all these years.
We're doing it correctly and getting exactly what for this good practice?

I do not get what you are getting at?
I think what he is getting at is that the Down method of running their Dev squads is not yielding results( U16's only meeting 6 out of 33-35 possible weeks---ridiculous if true) whereas Tyrone's method over the years of putting real work into their Dev squads has and probably will continue to reap rewards.That's twice today our paid employees that been brought into the various conversations on the ills of Down football.Both probably paid Managers in other Clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 04:33:00 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 13, 2022, 04:15:52 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 13, 2022, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 13, 2022, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 13, 2022, 01:24:47 PM
Accountability and transparency are huge factors.
Without them, there is no integrity and people lose confidence and have no faith in decision-makers and the structures they apparently uphold.
When you hear about task forces, steering committees, focus groups, think tanks etc it pretty much smells of bullshit, smoke and mirrors. And for a long time people in the county have been blinded by the bullshit and swallowed it whole.

A brush should be taken to that county board and the unelected figures in the background that use them as puppets roaded.
Jobs for the boys.
Have a friend who's son is on the Down U16 Dev Squad and a nephew who is on the Tyrone U16 one.The Down squad are scheduled to meet 6 times from the start of the year up to the end of August.Tyrone have met at least twice every three weeks but it's mostly weekly around this time of the year.Manager of the Down squad is Benny Coulter.

What is your point,  a quick glance on social media would see that Down u15 and u16s have been playing plenty of matches? What would be the point of taking kids halfway across the county to train when they are already getting coaching 2-3 times a week in their clubs with a match on a Monday night!
BTW that is a gripe of mine, carrying 50 odd lads on a development squad !!

Apparently Mooney is back in the Down camp.
So TruthHurts,Tyrone have got it wrong all these years.
We're doing it correctly and getting exactly what for this good practice?

I do not get what you are getting at?
I think what he is getting at is that the Down method of running their Dev squads is not yielding results( U16's only meeting 6 out of 33-35 possible weeks---ridiculous if true) whereas Tyrone's method over the years of putting real work into their Dev squads has and probably will continue to reap rewards.That's twice today our paid employees that been brought into the various conversations on the ills of Down football.Both probably paid Managers in other Clubs.

They meet every weekend, this is enough. They develop in their schools and clubs more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 04:36:15 PM
We need Down schools competing at A grade Colleges Football and where we can't make A grade then we must aspire not to go below B grade for our bigger schools or more established names. If we look back to 2010, we had gained from having three Down schools play in the Mac Rory in the era of 2005/6 as the Abbey, St Louis and St Colman's did battle, the hard yards ploughed in those competitions helped Marty Clarke, Kevin McKernan and others take their places as County Footballers. So, I say that post-Christmas in the academic year of 2022, let us deploy our coaches in our second level schools, and not just as coaches but as Development Officers to undertake work to develop Club-School links.

We have for 20 plus years channelled all of our Coaching through the Primary Schools, we offered that to schools again in the period September to December 2021, now I am saying let us take a chance put our Coaches and our GDM into the Second level schools to work from January to June for the betterment of Schools, Club and County. Let us experiment, let us feel the fear but let's do it anyway.

Thats an extract from Sean ogs secretart report in 2021, its on the Down website
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 13, 2022, 04:36:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 04:33:00 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 13, 2022, 04:15:52 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 13, 2022, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 13, 2022, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 13, 2022, 01:24:47 PM
Accountability and transparency are huge factors.
Without them, there is no integrity and people lose confidence and have no faith in decision-makers and the structures they apparently uphold.
When you hear about task forces, steering committees, focus groups, think tanks etc it pretty much smells of bullshit, smoke and mirrors. And for a long time people in the county have been blinded by the bullshit and swallowed it whole.

A brush should be taken to that county board and the unelected figures in the background that use them as puppets roaded.
Jobs for the boys.
Have a friend who's son is on the Down U16 Dev Squad and a nephew who is on the Tyrone U16 one.The Down squad are scheduled to meet 6 times from the start of the year up to the end of August.Tyrone have met at least twice every three weeks but it's mostly weekly around this time of the year.Manager of the Down squad is Benny Coulter.

What is your point,  a quick glance on social media would see that Down u15 and u16s have been playing plenty of matches? What would be the point of taking kids halfway across the county to train when they are already getting coaching 2-3 times a week in their clubs with a match on a Monday night!
BTW that is a gripe of mine, carrying 50 odd lads on a development squad !!

Apparently Mooney is back in the Down camp.
So TruthHurts,Tyrone have got it wrong all these years.
We're doing it correctly and getting exactly what for this good practice?

I do not get what you are getting at?
I think what he is getting at is that the Down method of running their Dev squads is not yielding results( U16's only meeting 6 out of 33-35 possible weeks---ridiculous if true) whereas Tyrone's method over the years of putting real work into their Dev squads has and probably will continue to reap rewards.That's twice today our paid employees that been brought into the various conversations on the ills of Down football.Both probably paid Managers in other Clubs.

They meet every weekend, this is enough. They develop in their schools and clubs more.

Isn't this the same fella who said u11s should be training and having matches 3 times a week? You're some BSr Truth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on May 13, 2022, 04:58:33 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 04:33:00 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 13, 2022, 04:15:52 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 03:39:12 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 13, 2022, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
Quote from: imagine on May 13, 2022, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on May 13, 2022, 01:24:47 PM
Accountability and transparency are huge factors.
Without them, there is no integrity and people lose confidence and have no faith in decision-makers and the structures they apparently uphold.
When you hear about task forces, steering committees, focus groups, think tanks etc it pretty much smells of bullshit, smoke and mirrors. And for a long time people in the county have been blinded by the bullshit and swallowed it whole.

A brush should be taken to that county board and the unelected figures in the background that use them as puppets roaded.
Jobs for the boys.
Have a friend who's son is on the Down U16 Dev Squad and a nephew who is on the Tyrone U16 one.The Down squad are scheduled to meet 6 times from the start of the year up to the end of August.Tyrone have met at least twice every three weeks but it's mostly weekly around this time of the year.Manager of the Down squad is Benny Coulter.

What is your point,  a quick glance on social media would see that Down u15 and u16s have been playing plenty of matches? What would be the point of taking kids halfway across the county to train when they are already getting coaching 2-3 times a week in their clubs with a match on a Monday night!
BTW that is a gripe of mine, carrying 50 odd lads on a development squad !!

Apparently Mooney is back in the Down camp.
So TruthHurts,Tyrone have got it wrong all these years.
We're doing it correctly and getting exactly what for this good practice?

I do not get what you are getting at?
I think what he is getting at is that the Down method of running their Dev squads is not yielding results( U16's only meeting 6 out of 33-35 possible weeks---ridiculous if true) whereas Tyrone's method over the years of putting real work into their Dev squads has and probably will continue to reap rewards.That's twice today our paid employees that been brought into the various conversations on the ills of Down football.Both probably paid Managers in other Clubs.

They meet every weekend, this is enough. They develop in their schools and clubs more.
They do not meet every week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 13, 2022, 05:25:49 PM
 They're all happy now that the challenge game is OFF.
A lot of anger today on this chat.Chill!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 13, 2022, 10:08:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 13, 2022, 04:36:15 PM
We need Down schools competing at A grade Colleges Football and where we can't make A grade then we must aspire not to go below B grade for our bigger schools or more established names. If we look back to 2010, we had gained from having three Down schools play in the Mac Rory in the era of 2005/6 as the Abbey, St Louis and St Colman's did battle, the hard yards ploughed in those competitions helped Marty Clarke, Kevin McKernan and others take their places as County Footballers. So, I say that post-Christmas in the academic year of 2022, let us deploy our coaches in our second level schools, and not just as coaches but as Development Officers to undertake work to develop Club-School links.


Are you serious. The PE staff in St Marks would take some look at ya if you even suggested going to B grade football let alone A grade. There are over 450 lads to play football in that place. Lads from Clonduff, Mayobridge, CPN, Burren, Rostrevor etc. serious strong clubs with serious history. I have no doubt the players are there - but the drive and ambition of the staff definitely ain't. Nerf wars and GAA training with soccer balls, playing D competitions - it's an absolute disgrace. Barney McAleenan would crack up if he was back now. Barney was a real tough task master who trained the sh**e out of us but we all left the school feeling like we were Down players. Surely the new county proposal should hopefully be targeting this place so we can get this once GAA institute back up the footballing ladder again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 14, 2022, 12:15:47 PM
 Teachers are not what they use to be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 14, 2022, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 14, 2022, 12:15:47 PM
Teachers are not what they use to be.

Most definitely agree with this. Then again they are probably under more pressure than before. Should counties not take control of coaching in these schools? I think St Mary's Magherafelt have a full time GAA coach - not sure who pays for it. It's resulted in a big upturn in their fortunes - albeit they were always competitive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: delgany on May 14, 2022, 03:44:08 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 14, 2022, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 14, 2022, 12:15:47 PM
Teachers are not what they use to be.


Most definitely agree with this. Then again they are probably under more pressure than before. Should counties not take control of coaching in these schools? I think St Mary's Magherafelt have a full time GAA coach - not sure who pays for it. It's resulted in a big upturn in their fortunes - albeit they were always competitive.
St.Marys is a voluntary grammar , manages its own budget , charges a capital fee, pays for coaching expertise,  DOF .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on May 14, 2022, 05:50:45 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 14, 2022, 02:51:47 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 14, 2022, 12:15:47 PM
Teachers are not what they use to be.

Most definitely agree with this. Then again they are probably under more pressure than before. Should counties not take control of coaching in these schools? I think St Mary's Magherafelt have a full time GAA coach - not sure who pays for it. It's resulted in a big upturn in their fortunes - albeit they were always competitive.

I wouldn't say it's down to one person.

This extra person in a school probably helps with coaching but is a big bonus in booking buses, pitches and contacting the other schools etc. A lot of time involved in that I'd say.

Good at helping out with the coaching but players/students coming to the school must be of a decent standard also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 14, 2022, 10:44:21 PM

Most definitely agree with this. Then again they are probably under more pressure than before. Should counties not take control of coaching in these schools? I think St Mary's Magherafelt have a full time GAA coach - not sure who pays for it. It's resulted in a big upturn in their fortunes - albeit they were always competitive.
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What extra pressure are they under now that wasn't there in years gone by? I just think the excuses made are a joke. If you are working in a school PE department steeped in GAA tradition - you have to step up. Simple as that. Why would the county take control of this? That would be like Man Utd sending coaches into every school in Manchester to take coaching sessions while the teachers sit on their backsides doing nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 14, 2022, 11:24:18 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 14, 2022, 10:44:21 PM

Most definitely agree with this. Then again they are probably under more pressure than before. Should counties not take control of coaching in these schools? I think St Mary's Magherafelt have a full time GAA coach - not sure who pays for it. It's resulted in a big upturn in their fortunes - albeit they were always competitive.

What extra pressure are they under now that wasn't there in years gone by? I just think the excuses made are a joke. If you are working in a school PE department steeped in GAA tradition - you have to step up. Simple as that. Why would the county take control of this? That would be like Man Utd sending coaches into every school in Manchester to take coaching sessions while the teachers sit on their backsides doing nothing.
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   Don't be a doting daddy.It is what it is.Sh-te!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 16, 2022, 09:17:06 AM
Away to Cavan in the Tailteann. That's tge season over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 16, 2022, 09:24:32 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 16, 2022, 09:17:06 AM
Away to Cavan in the Tailteann. That's tge season over.

You'd imagine so, especially without home advantage. But given that Cavan slid to d4 recently with a team that was good enough to win Ulster, there's potential for motivation issues in Breffni too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 16, 2022, 09:53:16 AM
I can see us taking Cavan, they are nothing to fear.

Six games into the league and they are starting to take shape. The big 4 seem to have started well and  no surprise they are at the top. CPN are starting to get players back and will climb as will Carryduff. Ballyholland failed in their first two tests against top opposition. Rostrevor and Castlewellan looked doomed and I think it will be between Bryansford, Loughinisland, RGU and Ballyholland to fight out the remaining 2 relegation spots.
Bredagh are flying high and we will have 2 Belfast teams in the top flight next year.
Newry Shamrocks will coast to the second division which is what Down needs.
Drumaness with their win on Friday will come back into division 3, a club with so much potentiall.

There was always DNF in reserve football but this season just seems crazy. The longer away the travel the more chance it is to not field. Reserve leagues should be played in North/Lecale, mourne, South and the West of the county with county semi finals of premier and reserve.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 16, 2022, 11:34:00 AM
Yeah first six games in div 1 have been interesting but it looks kilcoo Burren and clonduff in that order for the championship. Burren and kilcoo has been the best game so far I seen and it will be tight if they meet in the championship. Clonduff if they can get everyone available will cause most teams problems.
As for our county team I think it best this season is brought to a close asap. Our county setup needs to reset.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 16, 2022, 12:10:09 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 16, 2022, 09:24:32 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 16, 2022, 09:17:06 AM
Away to Cavan in the Tailteann. That's tge season over.

You'd imagine so, especially without home advantage. But given that Cavan slid to d4 recently with a team that was good enough to win Ulster, there's potential for motivation issues in Breffni too.
They won the Div 4 title and put up a credible performance against Donegal in the Ulster semi-final
last weekend.Our season will be finished after the Cavan match.
If Down GAA are serious about improving our fortunes at Senior Football Level  they'll need to appoint a Rory Gallagher type Manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 16, 2022, 01:43:53 PM
One of the aristocrats of Down club football cannot field a seconds team for the last two weeks. How can Bryansford be struggling for numbers?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 16, 2022, 04:17:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 16, 2022, 01:43:53 PM
One of the aristocrats of Down club football cannot field a seconds team for the last two weeks. How can Bryansford be struggling for numbers?
Aristocrats?Where do you get all these terms and ideas from?Regional reserve leagues?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 16, 2022, 04:43:04 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 16, 2022, 04:17:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 16, 2022, 01:43:53 PM
One of the aristocrats of Down club football cannot field a seconds team for the last two weeks. How can Bryansford be struggling for numbers?
Aristocrats?Where do you get all these terms and ideas from?Regional reserve leagues?

Yes with a play off of the winners and runners up to win all county league. If you look at the DNF for the weekend, Bryansford not traveling to Carryduff, Saval not going to Loughinisland and Annaclone not traveling to Downpatrick. Less travel for reserve players means a better chance the fixture will be played.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 16, 2022, 04:52:17 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 16, 2022, 04:43:04 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 16, 2022, 04:17:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 16, 2022, 01:43:53 PM
One of the aristocrats of Down club football cannot field a seconds team for the last two weeks. How can Bryansford be struggling for numbers?
Aristocrats?Where do you get all these terms and ideas from?Regional reserve leagues?

Yes with a play off of the winners and runners up to win all county league. If you look at the DNF for the weekend, Bryansford not traveling to Carryduff, Saval not going to Loughinisland and Annaclone not traveling to Downpatrick. Less travel for reserve players means a better chance the fixture will be played.

There was a foreign cup final that day - I dare say those clubs are full of supporters of the team in red, reason for DNFs I'd wager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 16, 2022, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 16, 2022, 04:43:04 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 16, 2022, 04:17:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 16, 2022, 01:43:53 PM
One of the aristocrats of Down club football cannot field a seconds team for the last two weeks. How can Bryansford be struggling for numbers?
Aristocrats?Where do you get all these terms and ideas from?Regional reserve leagues?

Yes with a play off of the winners and runners up to win all county league. If you look at the DNF for the weekend, Bryansford not traveling to Carryduff, Saval not going to Loughinisland and Annaclone not traveling to Downpatrick. Less travel for reserve players means a better chance the fixture will be played.

This is a fair point, and initial local leagues with all county playoffs may work better
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 16, 2022, 05:29:59 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 16, 2022, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 16, 2022, 04:43:04 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 16, 2022, 04:17:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 16, 2022, 01:43:53 PM
One of the aristocrats of Down club football cannot field a seconds team for the last two weeks. How can Bryansford be struggling for numbers?
Aristocrats?Where do you get all these terms and ideas from?Regional reserve leagues?

Yes with a play off of the winners and runners up to win all county league. If you look at the DNF for the weekend, Bryansford not traveling to Carryduff, Saval not going to Loughinisland and Annaclone not traveling to Downpatrick. Less travel for reserve players means a better chance the fixture will be played.

This is a fair point, and initial local leagues with all county playoffs may work better

I've said this for years. The fear of an opponent no-show directly impacts on your own chances of fielding.

There's a period of 15-20 mins either side of half an hour before throw in when you are literally willing your opponents to arrive. I've had players steadfastly refuse to change / warm up until they see at least 5 opposition cars arrive.

But worse, so much worse again. Driving for an hour to arrive, and find out the host team is struggling to scrape together a side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 16, 2022, 06:11:43 PM
There's a problem with reserve games less than 24 hours after senior games.
Any lad who plays a half or more on Friday night won't be allowed (& shouldn't be expected) to play on Saturday evening.

Most panels of players are much smaller than in years gone by, senior football is more physically demanding, there is more awareness of burn out & sports science, players won't play with a knock, & there are a lot less of the lads who tog out for the seconds without training during the week. These all limit the number of reserve players available.

Not sure how to sort that but it's my explanation for the 'did not field' phenomenon we're now seeing.

Not just in Down either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 17, 2022, 10:22:49 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 16, 2022, 05:29:59 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 16, 2022, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 16, 2022, 04:43:04 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 16, 2022, 04:17:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 16, 2022, 01:43:53 PM
One of the aristocrats of Down club football cannot field a seconds team for the last two weeks. How can Bryansford be struggling for numbers?
Aristocrats?Where do you get all these terms and ideas from?Regional reserve leagues?

Yes with a play off of the winners and runners up to win all county league. If you look at the DNF for the weekend, Bryansford not traveling to Carryduff, Saval not going to Loughinisland and Annaclone not traveling to Downpatrick. Less travel for reserve players means a better chance the fixture will be played.

This is a fair point, and initial local leagues with all county playoffs may work better

I've said this for years. The fear of an opponent no-show directly impacts on your own chances of fielding.

There's a period of 15-20 mins either side of half an hour before throw in when you are literally willing your opponents to arrive. I've had players steadfastly refuse to change / warm up until they see at least 5 opposition cars arrive.

But worse, so much worse again. Driving for an hour to arrive, and find out the host team is struggling to scrape together a side.

Does it get any worse than carting 16 U12 boys over on a ferryboat, drive for another 40 odd minutes to find out that the home team has only 3 players?

That happened us four years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 17, 2022, 01:02:57 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 17, 2022, 10:22:49 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 16, 2022, 05:29:59 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 16, 2022, 05:16:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 16, 2022, 04:43:04 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 16, 2022, 04:17:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 16, 2022, 01:43:53 PM
One of the aristocrats of Down club football cannot field a seconds team for the last two weeks. How can Bryansford be struggling for numbers?
Aristocrats?Where do you get all these terms and ideas from?Regional reserve leagues?

Yes with a play off of the winners and runners up to win all county league. If you look at the DNF for the weekend, Bryansford not traveling to Carryduff, Saval not going to Loughinisland and Annaclone not traveling to Downpatrick. Less travel for reserve players means a better chance the fixture will be played.

This is a fair point, and initial local leagues with all county playoffs may work better

I've said this for years. The fear of an opponent no-show directly impacts on your own chances of fielding.

There's a period of 15-20 mins either side of half an hour before throw in when you are literally willing your opponents to arrive. I've had players steadfastly refuse to change / warm up until they see at least 5 opposition cars arrive.

But worse, so much worse again. Driving for an hour to arrive, and find out the host team is struggling to scrape together a side.

Does it get any worse than carting 16 U12 boys over on a ferryboat, drive for another 40 odd minutes to find out that the home team has only 3 players?

That happened us four years ago.

Thats wild altogether, in this day and age its not hard to communicate.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 17, 2022, 09:07:24 PM
Caolan Mooney's season over, torn ACL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 17, 2022, 09:18:22 PM
Quote from: Targetman on May 17, 2022, 09:07:24 PM
Caolan Mooney's season over, torn ACL

If true potentially his Down career too.. 9-12 month recovery from that injury nowadays so could be our next year then what age will he be in 2024?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 17, 2022, 09:20:08 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 17, 2022, 09:18:22 PM
Quote from: Targetman on May 17, 2022, 09:07:24 PM
Caolan Mooney's season over, torn ACL

If true potentially his Down career too.. 9-12 month recovery from that injury nowadays so could be our next year then what age will he be in 2024?
31
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 18, 2022, 09:40:48 AM
Looking at this week's fixtures: Bryansford v RGU and Carryduff v CPN look to be massive games. The top 4 split and relegation thereafter is going to be a dog fight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 18, 2022, 11:22:12 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 18, 2022, 09:40:48 AM
Looking at this week's fixtures: Bryansford v RGU and Carryduff v CPN look to be massive games. The top 4 split and relegation thereafter is going to be a dog fight.
Will you take in a game this week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: African Sunset on May 18, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
Hello all, long time lurker, first time poster.

I'm not surprised to hear fellas are walking away from the county or have no desire to play county football. I have watched Down (and the transformation of the game itself) since the mid 1990s and have always wondered why anyone would be interested in playing Gaelic Football -  particularly when its being played in the fashion adopted by all counties throughout the island.

Men behind the ball, the endless fist passing and goalkeepers running up the park like headless chickens. It's a style which has been willingly embraced by counties who have had little or no success in the last century and were desperate for success but not by playing the game in its orthodox fashion. This new brand of 'football' (if you can call it that) has been encouraged by managers who fancy themselves a bit too much and think they're enlightened thinkers. In reality they are just legends in their own heads.

Down has always been a traditional county and we were reluctant to go along with this craze. Unsurprisingly, this has translated into lack of success at inter county level. There is no aesthetic appeal within Gaelic Football like there once was. Players no longer punt the ball 40 yards into the forward line which, when done successfully, was a thing of beauty to behold particularly when you have corner forwards battling with their marker. Now it's all risk averse and about 'recycling possession'.

Over the years I have seen supporters of the game, especially the armchair ones, lose interest and I don't blame them. Why would you want to watch the muck being served up? More importantly, why would you want to train six nights a week just to master the art of fist passing within your own half? Down have nothing to prove to anyone but if other lesser counties want to indulge themselves in this then be my guest - I'll stick to the club scene.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 18, 2022, 12:45:38 PM
Quote from: African Sunset on May 18, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
Hello all, long time lurker, first time poster.

I'm not surprised to hear fellas are walking away from the county or have no desire to play county football. I have watched Down (and the transformation of the game itself) since the mid 1990s and have always wondered why anyone would be interested in playing Gaelic Football -  particularly when its being played in the fashion adopted by all counties throughout the island.

Men behind the ball, the endless fist passing and goalkeepers running up the park like headless chickens. It's a style which has been willingly embraced by counties who have had little or no success in the last century and were desperate for success but not by playing the game in its orthodox fashion. This new brand of 'football' (if you can call it that) has been encouraged by managers who fancy themselves a bit too much and think they're enlightened thinkers. In reality they are just legends in their own heads.

Down has always been a traditional county and we were reluctant to go along with this craze. Unsurprisingly, this has translated into lack of success at inter county level. There is no aesthetic appeal within Gaelic Football like there once was. Players no longer punt the ball 40 yards into the forward line which, when done successfully, was a thing of beauty to behold particularly when you have corner forwards battling with their marker. Now it's all risk averse and about 'recycling possession'.

Over the years I have seen supporters of the game, especially the armchair ones, lose interest and I don't blame them. Why would you want to watch the muck being served up? More importantly, why would you want to train six nights a week just to master the art of fist passing within your own half? Down have nothing to prove to anyone but if other lesser counties want to indulge themselves in this then be my guest - I'll stick to the club scene.
What a pile of waffle as your first post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 18, 2022, 12:47:47 PM
Quote from: African Sunset on May 18, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
Hello all, long time lurker, first time poster.

I'm not surprised to hear fellas are walking away from the county or have no desire to play county football. I have watched Down (and the transformation of the game itself) since the mid 1990s and have always wondered why anyone would be interested in playing Gaelic Football -  particularly when its being played in the fashion adopted by all counties throughout the island.

Men behind the ball, the endless fist passing and goalkeepers running up the park like headless chickens. It's a style which has been willingly embraced by counties who have had little or no success in the last century and were desperate for success but not by playing the game in its orthodox fashion. This new brand of 'football' (if you can call it that) has been encouraged by managers who fancy themselves a bit too much and think they're enlightened thinkers. In reality they are just legends in their own heads.

Down has always been a traditional county and we were reluctant to go along with this craze. Unsurprisingly, this has translated into lack of success at inter county level. There is no aesthetic appeal within Gaelic Football like there once was. Players no longer punt the ball 40 yards into the forward line which, when done successfully, was a thing of beauty to behold particularly when you have corner forwards battling with their marker. Now it's all risk averse and about 'recycling possession'.

Over the years I have seen supporters of the game, especially the armchair ones, lose interest and I don't blame them. Why would you want to watch the muck being served up? More importantly, why would you want to train six nights a week just to master the art of fist passing within your own half? Down have nothing to prove to anyone but if other lesser counties want to indulge themselves in this then be my guest - I'll stick to the club scene.

Well arent you a ray of sunshine

Sorry, sunset 😃
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 18, 2022, 12:50:52 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 18, 2022, 11:22:12 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 18, 2022, 09:40:48 AM
Looking at this week's fixtures: Bryansford v RGU and Carryduff v CPN look to be massive games. The top 4 split and relegation thereafter is going to be a dog fight.
Will you take in a game this week?

Bryansford and Downpatrick, you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 18, 2022, 01:17:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 18, 2022, 12:50:52 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 18, 2022, 11:22:12 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 18, 2022, 09:40:48 AM
Looking at this week's fixtures: Bryansford v RGU and Carryduff v CPN look to be massive games. The top 4 split and relegation thereafter is going to be a dog fight.
Will you take in a game this week?

Bryansford and Downpatrick, you?
Just down to the pitch to see us against Darragh Cross.Danny and DJ along the line will be fun.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 18, 2022, 02:50:20 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 18, 2022, 01:17:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 18, 2022, 12:50:52 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 18, 2022, 11:22:12 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 18, 2022, 09:40:48 AM
Looking at this week's fixtures: Bryansford v RGU and Carryduff v CPN look to be massive games. The top 4 split and relegation thereafter is going to be a dog fight.
Will you take in a game this week?

Bryansford and Downpatrick, you?

Just down to the pitch to see us against Darragh Cross.Danny and DJ along the line will be fun.


bring ear muffs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 18, 2022, 03:11:10 PM
Are Ballykinlar fielding mens team this year?

I remember they were in the East Down Reserve at one stage.

I think County Board also tried to help out with coaching.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 18, 2022, 03:22:13 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 18, 2022, 03:11:10 PM
Are Ballykinlar fielding mens team this year?

I remember they were in the East Down Reserve at one stage.

I think County Board also tried to help out with coaching.

Nope not fielding.. Last time they fielded think was in 2018 as far as I can remember
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on May 18, 2022, 04:48:56 PM
Over the years I have seen supporters of the game, especially the armchair ones, lose interest and I don't blame them. Why would you want to watch the muck being served up? More importantly, why would you want to train six nights a week just to master the art of fist passing within your own half? Down have nothing to prove to anyone but if other lesser counties want to indulge themselves in this then be my guest - I'll stick to the club scene.

Recently watched the 1968 AI final between Down and Kerry.
Funny how memory can decieve you. I thought it was meant to be a classic but when I saw it I was shocked. Catch the ball in the middle of the field and lump it forward into the 14 yard line and hope for the best. That basically was the tactic.
No plan B.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 18, 2022, 04:59:29 PM
Quote from: African Sunset on May 18, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
Hello all, long time lurker, first time poster.

I'm not surprised to hear fellas are walking away from the county or have no desire to play county football. I have watched Down (and the transformation of the game itself) since the mid 1990s and have always wondered why anyone would be interested in playing Gaelic Football -  particularly when its being played in the fashion adopted by all counties throughout the island.

Men behind the ball, the endless fist passing and goalkeepers running up the park like headless chickens. It's a style which has been willingly embraced by counties who have had little or no success in the last century and were desperate for success but not by playing the game in its orthodox fashion. This new brand of 'football' (if you can call it that) has been encouraged by managers who fancy themselves a bit too much and think they're enlightened thinkers. In reality they are just legends in their own heads.

Down has always been a traditional county and we were reluctant to go along with this craze. Unsurprisingly, this has translated into lack of success at inter county level. There is no aesthetic appeal within Gaelic Football like there once was. Players no longer punt the ball 40 yards into the forward line which, when done successfully, was a thing of beauty to behold particularly when you have corner forwards battling with their marker. Now it's all risk averse and about 'recycling possession'.

Over the years I have seen supporters of the game, especially the armchair ones, lose interest and I don't blame them. Why would you want to watch the muck being served up? More importantly, why would you want to train six nights a week just to master the art of fist passing within your own half? Down have nothing to prove to anyone but if other lesser counties want to indulge themselves in this then be my guest - I'll stick to the club scene.

Have you watched Kilcoo play?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on May 18, 2022, 07:50:06 PM
Quote from: African Sunset on May 18, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
Hello all, long time lurker, first time poster.

I'm not surprised to hear fellas are walking away from the county or have no desire to play county football. I have watched Down (and the transformation of the game itself) since the mid 1990s and have always wondered why anyone would be interested in playing Gaelic Football -  particularly when its being played in the fashion adopted by all counties throughout the island.

Men behind the ball, the endless fist passing and goalkeepers running up the park like headless chickens. It's a style which has been willingly embraced by counties who have had little or no success in the last century and were desperate for success but not by playing the game in its orthodox fashion. This new brand of 'football' (if you can call it that) has been encouraged by managers who fancy themselves a bit too much and think they're enlightened thinkers. In reality they are just legends in their own heads.

Down has always been a traditional county and we were reluctant to go along with this craze. Unsurprisingly, this has translated into lack of success at inter county level. There is no aesthetic appeal within Gaelic Football like there once was. Players no longer punt the ball 40 yards into the forward line which, when done successfully, was a thing of beauty to behold particularly when you have corner forwards battling with their marker. Now it's all risk averse and about 'recycling possession'.

Over the years I have seen supporters of the game, especially the armchair ones, lose interest and I don't blame them. Why would you want to watch the muck being served up? More importantly, why would you want to train six nights a week just to master the art of fist passing within your own half? Down have nothing to prove to anyone but if other lesser counties want to indulge themselves in this then be my guest - I'll stick to the club scene.

Fair points; GAA haven't yet been able to come up with rules to disincentive 15 men behind the ball or conceding kick-outs. Makes the game less interesting to watch or play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 18, 2022, 11:16:58 PM
St Joseph's win another schools title - at least one school in the county is doing us proud. No coincidence their upturn in fortunes since Poacher joined their ranks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 19, 2022, 08:20:07 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 18, 2022, 11:16:58 PM
St Joseph's win another schools title - at least one school in the county is doing us proud. No coincidence their upturn in fortunes since Poacher joined their ranks.

GAA seems to be number 1 in that school at the minute and it can only benefit Down football. It is great to see and fair play to all working to improve it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 19, 2022, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 18, 2022, 11:16:58 PM
St Joseph's win another schools title - at least one school in the county is doing us proud. No coincidence their upturn in fortunes since Poacher joined their ranks.

And the Red High you forgot to mention.

Easy mistake to make.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 19, 2022, 11:41:27 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 19, 2022, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 18, 2022, 11:16:58 PM
St Joseph's win another schools title - at least one school in the county is doing us proud. No coincidence their upturn in fortunes since Poacher joined their ranks.

And the Red High you forgot to mention.

Easy mistake to make.

The Red High is doing great work with hurling, will benefit Down in the future.

They should be McRory though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 19, 2022, 02:33:17 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 18, 2022, 11:16:58 PM
St Joseph's win another schools title - at least one school in the county is doing us proud. No coincidence their upturn in fortunes since Poacher joined their ranks.

Yeah what's with all them other schools not doing us proud?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BigRipper89 on May 19, 2022, 02:49:31 PM
Down Seniors with a good win last night over sligo in a friendly. Good starting point, maybe having the lads left over who actually want to play for down could make all the difference with workrate and effort, when we obviosuly will be short on top class talent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 19, 2022, 03:29:38 PM
Quote from: BigRipper89 on May 19, 2022, 02:49:31 PM
Down Seniors with a good win last night over sligo in a friendly. Good starting point, maybe having the lads left over who actually want to play for down could make all the difference with workrate and effort, when we obviosuly will be short on top class talent.

Any word of the team??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rafla ta se on May 19, 2022, 04:32:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 18, 2022, 09:40:48 AM
Looking at this week's fixtures: Bryansford v RGU and Carryduff v CPN look to be massive games. The top 4 split and relegation thereafter is going to be a dog fight.
Ford v Rgu be interesting tomorrow night. some rumurs doing the rounds today about rgu set up. Big Deegans will be keeping a close eye
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 19, 2022, 06:52:55 PM
Quote from: rafla ta se on May 19, 2022, 04:32:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 18, 2022, 09:40:48 AM
Looking at this week's fixtures: Bryansford v RGU and Carryduff v CPN look to be massive games. The top 4 split and relegation thereafter is going to be a dog fight.
Ford v Rgu be interesting tomorrow night. some rumurs doing the rounds today about rgu set up. Big Deegans will be keeping a close eye

Tell us more!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 19, 2022, 09:04:59 PM
Quote from: rafla ta se on May 19, 2022, 04:32:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 18, 2022, 09:40:48 AM
Looking at this week's fixtures: Bryansford v RGU and Carryduff v CPN look to be massive games. The top 4 split and relegation thereafter is going to be a dog fight.
Ford v Rgu be interesting tomorrow night. some rumurs doing the rounds today about rgu set up. Big Deegans will be keeping a close eye
Good man Karl!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rafla ta se on May 19, 2022, 09:55:12 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 19, 2022, 06:52:55 PM
Quote from: rafla ta se on May 19, 2022, 04:32:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 18, 2022, 09:40:48 AMo m
Looking at this week's fixtures: Bryansford v RGU and Carryduff v CPN look to be massive games. The top 4 split and relegation thereafter is going to be a dog fight.
Ford v Rgu be interesting tomorrow night. some rumurs doing the rounds today about rgu set up. Big Deegans will be keeping a close eye

Tell us more!!
no mooney to the rescue now. down they go again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on May 19, 2022, 10:08:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 19, 2022, 08:20:07 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 18, 2022, 11:16:58 PM
St Joseph's win another schools title - at least one school in the county is doing us proud. No coincidence their upturn in fortunes since Poacher joined their ranks.

GAA seems to be number 1 in that school at the minute and it can only benefit Down football. It is great to see and fair play to all working to improve it.

Maybe benefit hmp magahberry if they have a team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 19, 2022, 10:10:58 PM
Rostrevor are in big trouble I doubt.. Diabolical showing in the last two weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 19, 2022, 10:21:10 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 19, 2022, 09:04:59 PM
Quote from: rafla ta se on May 19, 2022, 04:32:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 18, 2022, 09:40:48 AM
Looking at this week's fixtures: Bryansford v RGU and Carryduff v CPN look to be massive games. The top 4 split and relegation thereafter is going to be a dog fight.
Ford v Rgu be interesting tomorrow night. some rumurs doing the rounds today about rgu set up. Big Deegans will be keeping a close eye
Good man Karl!
Is this some sort of game?Who is Karl?
Benny is working his magic in Rostrevor🤷🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 20, 2022, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on May 19, 2022, 10:08:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 19, 2022, 08:20:07 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 18, 2022, 11:16:58 PM
St Joseph's win another schools title - at least one school in the county is doing us proud. No coincidence their upturn in fortunes since Poacher joined their ranks.

GAA seems to be number 1 in that school at the minute and it can only benefit Down football. It is great to see and fair play to all working to improve it.

Maybe benefit hmp magahberry if they have a team.


?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 20, 2022, 11:19:50 AM
With the first half of the league over I'm going to predict my top four and relegated from div 1

Kilcoo
Burren
Mayobridge
Clonduff

Relegated
Rostrevor
Castlewellan
Bryansford
Ballyholland Harps
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 20, 2022, 11:45:40 AM
Quote from: rafla ta se on May 19, 2022, 09:55:12 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 19, 2022, 06:52:55 PM
Quote from: rafla ta se on May 19, 2022, 04:32:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 18, 2022, 09:40:48 AMo m
Looking at this week's fixtures: Bryansford v RGU and Carryduff v CPN look to be massive games. The top 4 split and relegation thereafter is going to be a dog fight.
Ford v Rgu be interesting tomorrow night. some rumurs doing the rounds today about rgu set up. Big Deegans will be keeping a close eye

Tell us more!!
no mooney to the rescue now. down they go again

Hope wee Timmy is resting for the big game vrs Meath then off the Boston.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 20, 2022, 12:26:21 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 20, 2022, 11:45:40 AM
Quote from: rafla ta se on May 19, 2022, 09:55:12 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 19, 2022, 06:52:55 PM
Quote from: rafla ta se on May 19, 2022, 04:32:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 18, 2022, 09:40:48 AMo m
Looking at this week's fixtures: Bryansford v RGU and Carryduff v CPN look to be massive games. The top 4 split and relegation thereafter is going to be a dog fight.
Ford v Rgu be interesting tomorrow night. some rumurs doing the rounds today about rgu set up. Big Deegans will be keeping a close eye

Tell us more!!
no mooney to the rescue now. down they go again

Hope wee Timmy is resting for the big game vrs Meath then off the Boston.

Prenter heading away? Is the vibes not good in Downpatrick at the minute?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 21, 2022, 06:39:36 PM
Good win for the Hurlers today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 21, 2022, 11:25:06 PM
I agree with the top 4 here but think Ballyholland will be safe enough. They had a great result last night and are showing great fight and commitment to their new management.

Kilcoo
Burren
Mayobridge
Clonduff

Relegated
Rostrevor
Castlewellan
Bryansford
Downpatrick/Loughinisland to fight it out for final relegation place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on May 22, 2022, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 21, 2022, 11:25:06 PM
I agree with the top 4 here but think Ballyholland will be safe enough. They had a great result last night and are showing great fight and commitment to their new management.

Kilcoo
Burren
Mayobridge
Clonduff

Relegated
Rostrevor
Castlewellan
Bryansford
Downpatrick/Loughinisland to fight it out for final relegation place.

Ballyholland have had those qualities for years, no matter who is managing them. They are battlers but lack quality so will survive but ultimately win nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on May 23, 2022, 09:00:06 AM
Numerous reports of Burren Management repeatedly encroaching on Ballyhollands bench, i was even told one of the 26 plus burren Management team punched a sub in the face, kind of shocked that a riot didn't kick off if that happened
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 23, 2022, 09:06:28 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 21, 2022, 06:39:36 PM
Good win for the Hurlers today.

Timmy had a good game alright, that's them consolidating their position in tier 2 and considering where they were 2 or 3 years ago that's progress.

Well done Ronan and management.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 23, 2022, 09:29:09 AM
In division one and two of reserve leagues yesterday only one game was played (Glenn B v Mayobridge C). All other games were conceded. This is a major concern and should be high on the agenda for next season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on May 23, 2022, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 23, 2022, 09:29:09 AM
In division one and two of reserve leagues yesterday only one game was played (Glenn B v Mayobridge C). All other games were conceded. This is a major concern and should be high on the agenda for next season.

I'd say that's likely to get worse over the summer months with the big numbers of young fellas heading away for the summer, not that you can blame them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 23, 2022, 10:06:32 AM
Quote from: MATTSARACEN on May 23, 2022, 09:53:37 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 23, 2022, 09:29:09 AM
In division one and two of reserve leagues yesterday only one game was played (Glenn B v Mayobridge C). All other games were conceded. This is a major concern and should be high on the agenda for next season.

I'd say that's likely to get worse over the summer months with the big numbers of young fellas heading away for the summer, not that you can blame them.

Is there many people heading away from clubs? I know Liam Kerr is and Dylan Ward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on May 23, 2022, 01:35:04 PM
Liam staying now by all accounts. Wonder what changed his mind :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on May 23, 2022, 03:49:22 PM
I know Jim McCorry manages Burren but who has he got with him? Still Eoin McCartan and Adams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 23, 2022, 11:04:08 PM
Quote from: ck on May 23, 2022, 03:49:22 PM
I know Jim McCorry manages Burren but who has he got with him? Still Eoin McCartan and Adams?

As well as Stephen O'Hare. Then the entourage jim usually likes to surround himself with! Heard a slap was thrown alright and McCartan got a dig from Tony Havern - didn't get it for nothing I'm sure. Did some amount of slabbering in games I've seen Burren play this year. I heard a Ballyholland sub came on n slapped everyone he passed on the pitch. They won't do much slapping on Wednesday night though when the magpies come to visit...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 24, 2022, 09:32:05 AM
Is any camogie people on this board? Is there a reason why there are so few camogie games played in the county, there doesn't seem to be much underage being played?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on May 24, 2022, 09:34:35 AM
Quote from: ck on May 23, 2022, 03:49:22 PM
I know Jim McCorry manages Burren but who has he got with him? Still Eoin McCartan and Adams?
Pete mcgrath and pete jr are in with him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on May 24, 2022, 09:46:44 AM
Quote from: upandwin on May 23, 2022, 01:35:04 PM
Liam staying now by all accounts. Wonder what changed his mind :-X

I thought he was getting big money to go to America
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 24, 2022, 09:48:56 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on May 24, 2022, 09:34:35 AM
Quote from: ck on May 23, 2022, 03:49:22 PM
I know Jim McCorry manages Burren but who has he got with him? Still Eoin McCartan and Adams?
Pete mcgrath and pete jr are in with him

They are in with the premier reserves and reserve to get them to win the Quad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 24, 2022, 10:20:44 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 24, 2022, 09:32:05 AM
Is any camogie people on this board? Is there a reason why there are so few camogie games played in the county, there doesn't seem to be much underage being played?

Disaster for our U16's and U14's the last few years. We stopped entering U18's as it was a waste of time. Barring Clonduff no one would play them.

Teams pulling out, not travelling is a pain in the arse. I think our U16 camogs had 4 league games last year and two championship games, u14's got slightly more but not much. Clonduff coming strong at those agegroups which is good to see as.

Our U14's camogs will have their third game of the year tonight if Bredagh turn up and that's not a given, U16 girls have had one. Thankfully the older U16's can play adult to offset that a bit.

U15 hurlers are probably into double figures at this stage.

In saying that at Go games blitzes the pitches are full of teams as it's 7/9 aside, just seems to fall apart when girls hit the teen years.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 24, 2022, 10:47:58 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 24, 2022, 10:20:44 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 24, 2022, 09:32:05 AM
Is any camogie people on this board? Is there a reason why there are so few camogie games played in the county, there doesn't seem to be much underage being played?

Disaster for our U16's and U14's the last few years. We stopped entering U18's as it was a waste of time. Barring Clonduff no one would play them.

Teams pulling out, not travelling is a pain in the arse. I think our U16 camogs had 4 league games last year and two championship games, u14's got slightly more but not much. Clonduff coming strong at those agegroups which is good to see as.

Our U14's camogs will have their third game of the year tonight if Bredagh turn up and that's not a given, U16 girls have had one. Thankfully the older U16's can play adult to offset that a bit.

U15 hurlers are probably into double figures at this stage.

In saying that at Go games blitzes the pitches are full of teams as it's 7/9 aside, just seems to fall apart when girls hit the teen years.

I would like to see the reintroduction of the hurling board which could work in conjunction with women's hurling to raise the profile of both codes in the county. There are some big clubs in this county with massive numbers who do not have a Sliothar about the place (Burren , Bryansford, Saval and Rostrevor are 3 that quickly come to mind).  I know there are certain people within Down who wanted rid of the hurling board and divisional boards to give more power to main executive but these sub-committees were doing excellent work. the reserve leagues should be given back to the East and Soth Down boards for a start and bar the A league in underage, the leagues should be regional with less travelling.

In relation to girls dropping off, this is a problem throughout Ireland and I do not know what the answer is but both ladies football and camogie do not seem to be working together in this county and young girls are being pulled in every direction which means both organisations are losing out in the long run.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 24, 2022, 11:39:40 AM
All county premier 1 & 2 should continue to run as is.
Then East Down/South Down leagues for reserves (13 aside optional) with the winners having a one off final East v South.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 24, 2022, 12:18:13 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 24, 2022, 10:47:58 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 24, 2022, 10:20:44 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 24, 2022, 09:32:05 AM
Is any camogie people on this board? Is there a reason why there are so few camogie games played in the county, there doesn't seem to be much underage being played?

Disaster for our U16's and U14's the last few years. We stopped entering U18's as it was a waste of time. Barring Clonduff no one would play them.

Teams pulling out, not travelling is a pain in the arse. I think our U16 camogs had 4 league games last year and two championship games, u14's got slightly more but not much. Clonduff coming strong at those agegroups which is good to see as.

Our U14's camogs will have their third game of the year tonight if Bredagh turn up and that's not a given, U16 girls have had one. Thankfully the older U16's can play adult to offset that a bit.

U15 hurlers are probably into double figures at this stage.

In saying that at Go games blitzes the pitches are full of teams as it's 7/9 aside, just seems to fall apart when girls hit the teen years.

I would like to see the reintroduction of the hurling board which could work in conjunction with women's hurling to raise the profile of both codes in the county. There are some big clubs in this county with massive numbers who do not have a Sliothar about the place (Burren , Bryansford, Saval and Rostrevor are 3 that quickly come to mind).  I know there are certain people within Down who wanted rid of the hurling board and divisional boards to give more power to main executive but these sub-committees were doing excellent work. the reserve leagues should be given back to the East and Soth Down boards for a start and bar the A league in underage, the leagues should be regional with less travelling.

In relation to girls dropping off, this is a problem throughout Ireland and I do not know what the answer is but both ladies football and camogie do not seem to be working together in this county and young girls are being pulled in every direction which means both organisations are losing out in the long run.
Is that not 4 teams you mention?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 24, 2022, 10:39:53 PM
Nice and handy championship draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on May 24, 2022, 11:34:13 PM
Can someone please explain the Junior Championship format? Are Teconnaught, Drumaness and Aghaderg/Glassdrumman straight into 1/4 Finals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 25, 2022, 08:35:52 AM
the county board always pull one or two big draws out in the first round of the SFC  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 25, 2022, 08:47:40 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 25, 2022, 08:35:52 AM
the county board always pull one or two big draws out in the first round of the SFC  ;)
You strike me as the kind of person who would also complain about dark arts if the big sides were kept apart in an open draw.

Hard to please people who approach everything with an agenda.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BigRipper89 on May 25, 2022, 09:05:22 AM
Great championship draw. Few nice match ups and should be plenty competitive matches by all accounts. Im assuming its back door like pervious years?

Cavan this weekend- Down priced at 6/1 in some places. I think cavan will squeeze past us but you would get abit of value for your money I reckon. Cavan coming from division 4 football rememeber. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on May 25, 2022, 10:18:39 AM
Quote from: BigRipper89 on May 25, 2022, 09:05:22 AM
Great championship draw. Few nice match ups and should be plenty competitive matches by all accounts. Im assuming its back door like pervious years?

Cavan this weekend- Down priced at 6/1 in some places. I think cavan will squeeze past us but you would get abit of value for your money I reckon. Cavan coming from division 4 football rememeber. Any thoughts?

The odds are correct. Cavan are not as good as some make out but they'll hammer Down. Down football has never been in a worse place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 25, 2022, 11:01:49 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 25, 2022, 08:47:40 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 25, 2022, 08:35:52 AM
the county board always pull one or two big draws out in the first round of the SFC  ;)
You strike me as the kind of person who would also complain about dark arts if the big sides were kept apart in an open draw.

Hard to please people who approach everything with an agenda.


The dark arts will be out in force tonight in Father Lynch Park.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 25, 2022, 11:43:37 AM
Where are the Cumann na mBunscol finals and where are they taking place. This used to be a great occasion with 7, 9, 11 and 15 aside finals played to a packed Newcastle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 26, 2022, 03:16:35 PM
  Div 2 shaping up after last week's results and approaching the 2nd round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 26, 2022, 04:41:06 PM
Bredagh looked to be cruising but maybe they are not invincible and there is a lot of ball to be played
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 26, 2022, 05:04:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 26, 2022, 04:41:06 PM
Bredagh looked to be cruising but maybe they are not invincible and there is a lot of ball to be played
We were beating them at halftime only to concede an early 2nd half penalty and two soft goals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 27, 2022, 10:57:58 AM
Loughinisland v Carryduff should be a cracker tonight and I think whoever loses will be in serious trouble. This bottom eight will be interesting and a complete dog fight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on May 27, 2022, 12:31:01 PM
Island and C'duff is a massive game is right. Also Ford v The Point will be very close I reckon. Losers of those two games will be in for a scrappy couple of months ahead. I think RGU will beat Clonduff for some reason. Tough place to go and Clonduff are prone to a wee slip against teams they should beat on paper. Burren and the bridge should win handy but the bottom 8 is going to the wire, no one safe by the looks of it so far. Making for a great season tbf to the County Board
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 27, 2022, 01:03:36 PM
By all accounts the Point are improving week on week so I expect them to win that one. Was there rows in the RGU and Bryansford match last weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 27, 2022, 03:05:25 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 27, 2022, 10:57:58 AM
Loughinisland v Carryduff should be a cracker tonight and I think whoever loses will be in serious trouble. This bottom eight will be interesting and a complete dog fight

Not sure about it being a cracker. One team is in decline & the other seems to have lost its way.

I heard there's a bit of unrest in both Downpatrick & Bryansford camps. Seems early in season for management changes though.

Lot at stake when the league splits. Four down makes it a dogfight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 27, 2022, 03:09:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 27, 2022, 01:03:36 PM
By all accounts the Point are improving week on week so I expect them to win that one. Was there rows in the RGU and Bryansford match last weekend?
Did you not say last week you were going to the RGU/Bryansford game?Will you take in a game in tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 28, 2022, 01:18:49 PM
Is the game today on radio anywhere?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on May 28, 2022, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 28, 2022, 01:18:49 PM
Is the game today on radio anywhere?

Apparently this crowd are doing radio service of the game:

https://www.northernsound.ie/sport/consistency-the-key-for-cavan-in-tailteann-cup-195206

"Throw in for that game as noted is at 2pm and we will have full live coverage on Saturday sport"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Watcher on May 28, 2022, 02:29:39 PM
Red card already?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on May 28, 2022, 03:00:41 PM
Early goal kept us in it for a while, but seem overmatched now. Missed penalty just before half-time didn't help
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 28, 2022, 03:02:13 PM
Quote from: befair on May 28, 2022, 03:00:41 PM
Early goal kept us in it for a while, but seem overmatched now. Missed penalty just before half-time didn't help
Missed the retake also. And about 8 wides.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on May 28, 2022, 03:37:01 PM
Not unexpected, I suppose. Commentator made a fair point that's a shame the Kilcoo players don't want to challenge themselves at a higher level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on May 28, 2022, 05:40:59 PM
Wee James has walked. Not suprised.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 28, 2022, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 01, 2022, 12:46:35 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on May 01, 2022, 12:36:22 PM
Difficult one to answer, not that popular among the players by all accounts as well.
There are similar thoughts about James also.Communication terrible and going on the two alcohol episodes there appears to no respect to the Management.Respect is usually earned but is non existent from both sides.
So here we are at the end of 6 months into this Management regime.One draw and 10 defeats.James spent the afternoon shouting at the players and getting into needless confrontation with Officials and a Cavan player.He also appeared to be late onto the sideline at the start of the match.Losing credibility with everyone after achieving legend status up to about 2010.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on May 28, 2022, 06:39:31 PM
I think James McCartan deserves credit for stepping up to the plate in the first place. He took on a team nobody wanted, and for good reason. There's clearly no pride in the Down jersey anymore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 28, 2022, 06:58:37 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 28, 2022, 06:39:31 PM
I think James McCartan deserves credit for stepping up to the plate in the first place. He took on a team nobody wanted, and for good reason. There's clearly no pride in the Down jersey anymore.
Great credit indeed for stepping up but now time to step away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on May 28, 2022, 07:52:41 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 28, 2022, 06:58:37 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 28, 2022, 06:39:31 PM
I think James McCartan deserves credit for stepping up to the plate in the first place. He took on a team nobody wanted, and for good reason. There's clearly no pride in the Down jersey anymore.
Great credit indeed for stepping up but now time to step away.
If Down can find someone who players will play for then 100% he should, I just don't think there will be too many takers. Laverty maybe, perhaps if supporters and players accept the level they're at and that they need to rebuild. We had the same with McGeeney in Armagh yo-yoing between Div  2 and 3  with a lot of fans wanting him out, when the reality was he had limited playing resources at his disposal and it was unlikely that any successor would have done much much better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 28, 2022, 08:06:18 PM
No one could ever question the passion of Mc Cartan and his love for Down. He dug us out of a very big hole when a mess was created by sheer incompetence beyond his control. While he thought he was doing the right thing himself, taking an unpopular No.2 in O'Rourke who the lads hated and another inexperienced coach in Mc Mahon who was well out of his depth, he was always rowing against the tide. The Dublin debacle actually brought the lads closer by all accounts but the whole thing has been a shitshow from the start. We're in a bad place but Tailteann Cup level is our standard. Slabbering in the papers won't help, we have too many prima donnas who will be posting pictures from Ginger Janes again tonight. I have no idea how we get out of this mess but we are in a very sorry state atm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 28, 2022, 08:17:56 PM
 All very demoralising at present.If James has stepped down he has the thanks of everyone in Down but a serious selection panel should be appointed and be left to it but have an Appointment done by the end of July.This could be crazy but how about James as a member of the selection Committee.He knows what would be needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 28, 2022, 08:23:48 PM
Quote from: SamFever on May 28, 2022, 08:17:56 PM
All very demoralising at present.If James has stepped down he has the thanks of everyone in Down but a serious selection panel should be appointed and be left to it but have an Appointment done by the end of July.This could be crazy but how about James as a member of the selection Committee.He knows what would be needed.

The end of July??? Why would it take 2 months ffs?? Just go get the person everyone wants into the hot seat right now. Stop wasting even more time appointing an appointment committee. We are beyond that - go knock Laverty's door and get him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 28, 2022, 08:30:24 PM
Who would be the candidates people on here would think off to replace James?

Conor Laverty
Mal O'Rourke
Steven Poacher
??
??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 28, 2022, 09:03:11 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 28, 2022, 08:30:24 PM
Who would be the candidates people on here would think off to replace James?

Conor Laverty
Mal O'Rourke
??
??
He hasn't the balls for it. There is a decent U.20 squad next year so he will stay in his comfort zone. O'Rourke will dominate Derry with Glen so why would he move to a group of lads who think they are better than they are.  Tailteann Cup is where we are and we have to accept that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 28, 2022, 09:05:28 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 28, 2022, 09:03:11 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 28, 2022, 08:30:24 PM
Who would be the candidates people on here would think off to replace James?

Conor Laverty
Mal O'Rourke
??
??
He hasn't the balls for it. There is a decent U.20 squad next year so he will stay in his comfort zone. O'Rourke will dominate Derry with Glen so why would he move to a group of lads who think they are better than they are.  Tailteann Cup is where we are and we have to accept that.

Very simple 💰

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 28, 2022, 09:16:17 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 28, 2022, 08:30:24 PM
Who would be the candidates people on here would think off to replace James?

Conor Laverty
Mal O'Rourke
Steven Poacher
??
??
Jim mcGuinness, Mickey Harte, Tony mcentee, just another couple of names
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 28, 2022, 09:20:15 PM
Has James stood down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on May 28, 2022, 09:28:24 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 28, 2022, 09:16:17 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 28, 2022, 08:30:24 PM
Who would be the candidates people on here would think off to replace James?

Conor Laverty
Mal O'Rourke
Steven Poacher
??
??
Jim mcGuinness, Mickey Harte, Tony mcentee, just another couple of names

What has Mc Entee done to deserve to be in the mix?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 28, 2022, 09:33:35 PM
Why waste money on big name managers and exhaustive back room teams?

It's too early for that.

Down need, first and foremost, a clean sweep of the cohort of players who've regressed individually and collectively over the past 5 years.

Find a man who's willing to do that, and rebuild Down from the bottom up. I don't care if we've never heard of him. That's the role, and it's not a role for someone who is used to fine tuning the pick of the litter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 28, 2022, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 28, 2022, 09:28:24 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 28, 2022, 09:16:17 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 28, 2022, 08:30:24 PM
Who would be the candidates people on here would think off to replace James?

Conor Laverty
Mal O'Rourke
Steven Poacher
??
??
Jim mcGuinness, Mickey Harte, Tony mcentee, just another couple of names

What has Mc Entee done to deserve to be in the mix?
what has poacher done? It's just a list of names, some will be ruled out quicker than others
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 28, 2022, 09:42:38 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 28, 2022, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 28, 2022, 09:28:24 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 28, 2022, 09:16:17 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 28, 2022, 08:30:24 PM
Who would be the candidates people on here would think off to replace James?

Conor Laverty
Mal O'Rourke
Steven Poacher
??
??
Jim mcGuinness, Mickey Harte, Tony mcentee, just another couple of names

What has Mc Entee done to deserve to be in the mix?
what has poacher done? It's just a list of names, some will be ruled out quicker than others

Down minors
Down U21s
Carlow
Roscommon
15 years at senior club

Probably the most experienced coach in the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 28, 2022, 09:43:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 28, 2022, 09:33:35 PM
Why waste money on big name managers and exhaustive back room teams?

It's too early for that.

Down need, first and foremost, a clean sweep of the cohort of players who've regressed individually and collectively over the past 5 years.

Find a man who's willing to do that, and rebuild Down from the bottom up. I don't care if we've never heard of him. That's the role, and it's not a role for someone who is used to fine tuning the pick of the litter.

Big job description. Anyone in mind?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 28, 2022, 09:45:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 28, 2022, 09:33:35 PM
Why waste money on big name managers and exhaustive back room teams?

It's too early for that.

Down need, first and foremost, a clean sweep of the cohort of players who've regressed individually and collectively over the past 5 years.

Find a man who's willing to do that, and rebuild Down from the bottom up. I don't care if we've never heard of him. That's the role, and it's not a role for someone who is used to fine tuning the pick of the litter.

Absolutely Wobbler, I think we all agree on that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 28, 2022, 10:02:57 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 28, 2022, 09:42:38 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 28, 2022, 09:34:34 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 28, 2022, 09:28:24 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 28, 2022, 09:16:17 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 28, 2022, 08:30:24 PM
Who would be the candidates people on here would think off to replace James?

Conor Laverty
Mal O'Rourke
Steven Poacher
??
??
Jim mcGuinness, Mickey Harte, Tony mcentee, just another couple of names

What has Mc Entee done to deserve to be in the mix?
what has poacher done? It's just a list of names, some will be ruled out quicker than others

Down minors
Down U21s
Carlow
Roscommon
15 years at senior club

Probably the most experienced coach in the county
put him to the top of the list then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 28, 2022, 10:16:33 PM
Poacher - why would anyone ever put that man in charge of any team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 28, 2022, 10:18:19 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 28, 2022, 09:43:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 28, 2022, 09:33:35 PM
Why waste money on big name managers and exhaustive back room teams?

It's too early for that.

Down need, first and foremost, a clean sweep of the cohort of players who've regressed individually and collectively over the past 5 years.

Find a man who's willing to do that, and rebuild Down from the bottom up. I don't care if we've never heard of him. That's the role, and it's not a role for someone who is used to fine tuning the pick of the litter.

Big job description. Anyone in mind?

I don't.

My heart says it needs to be a Down man to do it. But Rory Gallagher's progress with Derry the past few seasons would suggest it's not so much a patriot that's needed, just someone who's happy to start from scratch.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on May 28, 2022, 10:35:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 28, 2022, 10:18:19 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on May 28, 2022, 09:43:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 28, 2022, 09:33:35 PM
Why waste money on big name managers and exhaustive back room teams?

It's too early for that.

Down need, first and foremost, a clean sweep of the cohort of players who've regressed individually and collectively over the past 5 years.

Find a man who's willing to do that, and rebuild Down from the bottom up. I don't care if we've never heard of him. That's the role, and it's not a role for someone who is used to fine tuning the pick of the litter.

Big job description. Anyone in mind?

I don't.

My heart says it needs to be a Down man to do it. But Rory Gallagher's progress with Derry the past few seasons would suggest it's not so much a patriot that's needed, just someone who's happy to start from scratch.

Why does it need to be a Down man?

Similar to....we need to play the"Down way".

Wtf is that all about?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 28, 2022, 10:39:35 PM
It doesn't need to be a Down man.

But this is going to take 12-24 months of hell to reroute.

Surely this would be a more natural vocation for someone from Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on May 28, 2022, 10:41:21 PM
Get Laverty in and let him have a go. Hopefully he'll look to build on the 20s and squeeze the most out of whoever is left of the rest. It'll be a few years rebuilding but on the bright side Eugene will get "the different manager" he talked about and would play under  and maybe the Kilcoo lads will step up to help set the tone. Clean out needed either way and the Prima Donnas replaced with young, hungry footballers who want to drive down football forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 29, 2022, 12:10:03 AM
There were no prima donnas at Breffni today, but just a group who were determined to do the best for their county in difficult circumstances. While it was a strange game, which still came to a predictable outcome, Down threw away the opportunity to be in a reasonable position at half time. We wasted a series of completely easy chances on either side of our early goal, and then managed to miss a twice taken penalty just before half time. It was tough asking Barry O'Hagan to hit the kick after he needed lengthy treatment for a vicious tackle which won the decision, but another goal would have left us starting the second half four points behind, with an extra man for the next ten minutes and the wind in our favour. Cavan, who were nothing special but capable of taking straightforward shots, then pulled away without any particular  difficulty. We had a few who were not of the standard required but some of the younger players, including Lynch, Magill, O'Hare and particularly Murdock are capable of developing over the next couple of years. Kerr and Gilmore also looked more than decent coming off the bench. A long hard road is ahead but, if we can produce a couple of leaders to replace Darren O'Hagan, we can make some kind of a start. He was brilliant again today, and, if it was his last appearance in a Down jersey, he will be remembered as our top man of the last decade by a distance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 29, 2022, 12:33:30 AM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 29, 2022, 12:10:03 AM
There were no prima donnas at Breffni today, but just a group who were determined to do the best for their county in difficult circumstances. While it was a strange game, which still came to a predictable outcome, Down threw away the opportunity to be in a reasonable position at half time. We wasted a series of completely easy chances on either side of our early goal, and then managed to miss a twice taken penalty just before half time. It was tough asking Barry O'Hagan to hit the kick after he needed lengthy treatment for a vicious tackle which won the decision, but another goal would have left us starting the second half four points behind, with an extra man for the next ten minutes and the wind in our favour. Cavan, who were nothing special but capable of taking straightforward shots, then pulled away without any particular  difficulty. We had a few who were not of the standard required but some of the younger players, including Lynch, Magill, O'Hare and particularly Murdock are capable of developing over the next couple of years. Kerr and Gilmore also looked more than decent coming off the bench. A long hard road is ahead but, if we can produce a couple of leaders to replace Darren O'Hagan, we can make some kind of a start. He was brilliant again today, and, if it was his last appearance in a Down jersey, he will be remembered as our top man of the last decade by a distance.
You must have been on the drink on the way home to come up with that analysis of today's match.The whole full back line including Lynch were abysmal.O'hare apart from his early goal was ponderous.Magill was steady and Murdock was good.One man's poison and all that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 29, 2022, 09:01:22 AM


What has Mc Entee done to deserve to be in the mix?
[/quote]

Won back to back club all Ireland titles as a manager. Is that not enough?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 29, 2022, 09:03:25 AM

[/quote]what has poacher done? It's just a list of names, some will be ruled out quicker than others
[/quote]

Down minors
Down U21s
Carlow
Roscommon
15 years at senior club

Probably the most experienced coach in the county
[/quote]

And won absolutely zero with the lot of them! Not sure his mentality of talking plenty of sh**e about what he will do but inevitably losing is what we need at the forefront of a new Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: covid20 on May 29, 2022, 10:00:53 AM
 A lot of personal attacks on current management and potential new Managers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 29, 2022, 01:50:31 PM
Rosskarr may want to write off the younger players who put in a tough shift against plainly superior opposition yesterday but our rebuilding has to start somewhere. While O'Hare might have taken a couple of wrong options, he also managed to score a goal six minutes into his first competitive appearance. Perhaps we might allow him to complete at least one game before we dismiss him at the age of 20. Lynch may or may not reach inter-county standard but he was one of our steadier performers in a defence which was overrun. Magill, although he was actually better against Monaghan, and Murdoch, have obviously potential, and, together with Gilmore and Kerr, give us some hope that 2023 could represent an improvement on an almost entirely disastrous 2022.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 29, 2022, 01:55:11 PM
Anyone know if we have ever gone a full calendar year without a win before?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on May 29, 2022, 02:45:59 PM
In 2016, we lost all seven league games, Monaghan beat us by 19 points in the USC and we lost our first round qualifier to Longford. We did have a win against in the McKenna Cup against St Mary's, who were obviously not a county team.  Bleak seasons are not unknown for Down in the modern era.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on May 29, 2022, 03:38:45 PM
If rumours are true and James has stood down, could Micky Moran be talked into becoming the next Down manager with Conor Laverty on board?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 29, 2022, 04:05:58 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 29, 2022, 01:50:31 PM
Rosskarr may want to write off the younger players who put in a tough shift against plainly superior opposition yesterday but our rebuilding has to start somewhere. While O'Hare might have taken a couple of wrong options, he also managed to score a goal six minutes into his first competitive appearance. Perhaps we might allow him to complete at least one game before we dismiss him at the age of 20. Lynch may or may not reach inter-county standard but he was one of our steadier performers in a defence which was overrun. Magill, although he was actually better against Monaghan, and Murdoch, have obviously potential, and, together with Gilmore and Kerr, give us some hope that 2023 could represent an improvement on an almost entirely disastrous 2022.
A more reflective post today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 29, 2022, 05:36:48 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on May 29, 2022, 03:38:45 PM
If rumours are true and James has stood down, could Micky Moran be talked into becoming the next Down manager with Conor Laverty on board?

Yeah class, Roger as team liason and Terry as selector, wee Richie looking after the gear, a match made in heaven.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on May 29, 2022, 09:25:10 PM
Looks like a winning formula  😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: African Sunset on May 29, 2022, 09:30:03 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on May 29, 2022, 03:38:45 PM
If rumours are true and James has stood down, could Micky Moran be talked into becoming the next Down manager with Conor Laverty on board?

He's pushing seventy and it's an act of desperation to be even thinking of approaching him.

If Laverty is the solution, then what was the question? From a distance he look like somebody who is a divisive figure.

Let's be honest, if Down packed up and left the inter county scene for good, would anyone kick up a fuss over it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on May 29, 2022, 09:36:49 PM
Shows what a strong club team can do for their county, if they have the courage to face the challenge and step out of their comfort zone into a higher standard. Delighted to see Chris McKaigue and Brendan Rodgers winning at county level; great players for their club for years, now getting some recognition. Apart from Daryl Brannigan, don't think Kilcoo have anyone as good as those two, but they would still add considerably to the strength of the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 30, 2022, 08:30:44 AM
Quote from: befair on May 29, 2022, 09:36:49 PM
Shows what a strong club team can do for their county, if they have the courage to face the challenge and step out of their comfort zone into a higher standard. Delighted to see Chris McKaigue and Brendan Rodgers winning at county level; great players for their club for years, now getting some recognition. Apart from Daryl Brannigan, don't think Kilcoo have anyone as good as those two, but they would still add considerably to the strength of the panel.
And add in that Rodgers and and McKaigue play Hurling for at least their Club and it shows you the grit
that they have.This is severely lacking in Down players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 09:12:52 AM
Derry shows what buy-in from clubs can bring to the county. I do think we have every bit as talented as Derry but the commitment shown to Gallagher shows what can happen. For a club with Kilcoos history, it's a shame they have no intercounty All-Ireland Senior football medalists and I think maybe only James Morgan (1971) is their only Ulster intercounty medalist. I do think we have the footballers in this county to challenge for an Ulster title but we can't have anyone outside looking in, we need everyone at the party.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 30, 2022, 09:19:46 AM
Would Lavery be the unifying messiah that evidently is needed?

I'm hearing that he might not be, but you lads are closer to the ground big ball wise than me.

Wee James took on a very poisoned chalice and never let his county down. His star still shines bright for me.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 30, 2022, 09:26:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 09:12:52 AM
Derry shows what buy-in from clubs can bring to the county. I do think we have every bit as talented as Derry but the commitment shown to Gallagher shows what can happen. For a club with Kilcoos history, it's a shame they have no intercounty All-Ireland Senior football medalists and I think maybe only James Morgan (1971) is their only Ulster intercounty medalist. I do think we have the footballers in this county to challenge for an Ulster title but we can't have anyone outside looking in, we need everyone at the party.
What current Down player would get on the Derry team ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on May 30, 2022, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 09:12:52 AM
Derry shows what buy-in from clubs can bring to the county. I do think we have every bit as talented as Derry but the commitment shown to Gallagher shows what can happen. For a club with Kilcoos history, it's a shame they have no intercounty All-Ireland Senior football medalists and I think maybe only James Morgan (1971) is their only Ulster intercounty medalist. I do think we have the footballers in this county to challenge for an Ulster title but we can't have anyone outside looking in, we need everyone at the party.

Interesting points. It's ok saying we are every bit as talented as Derry but in reality , when they were dipping down to division 4, they developed a serious underage production line , during an era when we only qualified for 1 underage final in 13 years.they also struggled at senior level when sleachtnéil were focussed on club. Now when the sleachtnéil men are able to  concentrate on county , look what's happening. Down can mirror this approach , I'd be confident Kilcoo will help lead Down out of the doldrums , but the focus must be serious work and resources put into underage , whilst trying to harness those senior players in this county with the attitude and humility to realise there's serious work to be done. In the midst of that environment, marquee players will emerge but the approach must be:
1. Underage development
2. Resource optimisation
3. Humility to realise how low we are
4. "Winning" Character development amongst existing and future players
5. Athletic optimisation

Slagging off players , management and county board isn't part of that plan. Derry turned it around through unity not bickering .

We can do the same
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 30, 2022, 10:04:29 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 30, 2022, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 09:12:52 AM
Derry shows what buy-in from clubs can bring to the county. I do think we have every bit as talented as Derry but the commitment shown to Gallagher shows what can happen. For a club with Kilcoos history, it's a shame they have no intercounty All-Ireland Senior football medalists and I think maybe only James Morgan (1971) is their only Ulster intercounty medalist. I do think we have the footballers in this county to challenge for an Ulster title but we can't have anyone outside looking in, we need everyone at the party.

Interesting points. It's ok saying we are every bit as talented as Derry but in reality , when they were dipping down to division 4, they developed a serious underage production line , during an era when we only qualified for 1 underage final in 13 years.they also struggled at senior level when sleachtnéil were focussed on club. Now when the sleachtnéil men are able to  concentrate on county , look what's happening. Down can mirror this approach , I'd be confident Kilcoo will help lead Down out of the doldrums , but the focus must be serious work and resources put into underage , whilst trying to harness those senior players in this county with the attitude and humility to realise there's serious work to be done. In the midst of that environment, marquee players will emerge but the approach must be:
1. Underage development
2. Resource optimisation
3. Humility to realise how low we are
4. "Winning" Character development amongst existing and future players
5. Athletic optimisation

Slagging off players , management and county board isn't part of that plan. Derry turned it around through unity not bickering .

We can do the same

Derry bickered and get rid of most of their county board did they not?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 10:10:10 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 30, 2022, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 09:12:52 AM
Derry shows what buy-in from clubs can bring to the county. I do think we have every bit as talented as Derry but the commitment shown to Gallagher shows what can happen. For a club with Kilcoos history, it's a shame they have no intercounty All-Ireland Senior football medalists and I think maybe only James Morgan (1971) is their only Ulster intercounty medalist. I do think we have the footballers in this county to challenge for an Ulster title but we can't have anyone outside looking in, we need everyone at the party.

Interesting points. It's ok saying we are every bit as talented as Derry but in reality , when they were dipping down to division 4, they developed a serious underage production line , during an era when we only qualified for 1 underage final in 13 years.they also struggled at senior level when sleachtnéil were focussed on club. Now when the sleachtnéil men are able to  concentrate on county , look what's happening. Down can mirror this approach , I'd be confident Kilcoo will help lead Down out of the doldrums , but the focus must be serious work and resources put into underage , whilst trying to harness those senior players in this county with the attitude and humility to realise there's serious work to be done. In the midst of that environment, marquee players will emerge but the approach must be:
1. Underage development
2. Resource optimisation
3. Humility to realise how low we are
4. "Winning" Character development amongst existing and future players
5. Athletic optimisation

Slagging off players , management and county board isn't part of that plan. Derry turned it around through unity not bickering .

We can do the same

A massive problem is a control in the hierarchy though, we gave the minor management a job over Walsh/Linden not due to CV's but due to what the management would demand from the county executive level. I think that there also would be a fear factor with the Laverty ticket as he would also demand a lot from the men and women in charge. But I think thats that's what we need and an expectation to change things.
Go back through the Derry discussion board and see what the dinosaurs thought of Rory Gallagher at the beginning and shortly into his tenure. We need stability and a new culture within.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 10:14:30 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 30, 2022, 10:04:29 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 30, 2022, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 09:12:52 AM
Derry shows what buy-in from clubs can bring to the county. I do think we have every bit as talented as Derry but the commitment shown to Gallagher shows what can happen. For a club with Kilcoos history, it's a shame they have no intercounty All-Ireland Senior football medalists and I think maybe only James Morgan (1971) is their only Ulster intercounty medalist. I do think we have the footballers in this county to challenge for an Ulster title but we can't have anyone outside looking in, we need everyone at the party.

Interesting points. It's ok saying we are every bit as talented as Derry but in reality , when they were dipping down to division 4, they developed a serious underage production line , during an era when we only qualified for 1 underage final in 13 years.they also struggled at senior level when sleachtnéil were focussed on club. Now when the sleachtnéil men are able to  concentrate on county , look what's happening. Down can mirror this approach , I'd be confident Kilcoo will help lead Down out of the doldrums , but the focus must be serious work and resources put into underage , whilst trying to harness those senior players in this county with the attitude and humility to realise there's serious work to be done. In the midst of that environment, marquee players will emerge but the approach must be:
1. Underage development
2. Resource optimisation
3. Humility to realise how low we are
4. "Winning" Character development amongst existing and future players
5. Athletic optimisation

Slagging off players , management and county board isn't part of that plan. Derry turned it around through unity not bickering .

We can do the same

Derry bickered and get rid of most of their county board did they not?


If you have someone in mind for the county board will you please forward their nomination to the county convention at the end of the year, this crap about getting rid of the top maddens me. If people want to change it then nominate themselves or other persons. Its very easy to run for election for a county position. I just haven't seen many ballots at convention in the past number of years. We have very capable administrators in place and a few tweaks is all is needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: BigRipper89 on May 30, 2022, 10:18:15 AM
The attack on some down players as prim donnas is harsh by my call because they go out after losing a game (which all team sports do) . Lads who have turned out for down this year training from early December, driving the length of the country. Down had about 200 supporters travelled on Saturday, some support for them boys busting a gut out there and getting nothing but abuse for it.

Only 2 teams will win something this year in Ireland, Down will be amongst the other 32 counties that end up empty handed when the season closes. Not a great year by any stretch but its done and can only improve next year. Lets hope the management problem is sorted ASAP and we wont be starting behind everyone else.

Down are short on quality at the moment. Donal O Hare, 3 Jonstones, Ross Mc Garry, Millar, Clements, Etc Etc these sorts of players and im sure all clubs could name 1 player that would seriously improve the down squad. The next manager must be able to attract these players. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 30, 2022, 10:25:48 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 10:14:30 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 30, 2022, 10:04:29 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 30, 2022, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 09:12:52 AM
Derry shows what buy-in from clubs can bring to the county. I do think we have every bit as talented as Derry but the commitment shown to Gallagher shows what can happen. For a club with Kilcoos history, it's a shame they have no intercounty All-Ireland Senior football medalists and I think maybe only James Morgan (1971) is their only Ulster intercounty medalist. I do think we have the footballers in this county to challenge for an Ulster title but we can't have anyone outside looking in, we need everyone at the party.

Interesting points. It's ok saying we are every bit as talented as Derry but in reality , when they were dipping down to division 4, they developed a serious underage production line , during an era when we only qualified for 1 underage final in 13 years.they also struggled at senior level when sleachtnéil were focussed on club. Now when the sleachtnéil men are able to  concentrate on county , look what's happening. Down can mirror this approach , I'd be confident Kilcoo will help lead Down out of the doldrums , but the focus must be serious work and resources put into underage , whilst trying to harness those senior players in this county with the attitude and humility to realise there's serious work to be done. In the midst of that environment, marquee players will emerge but the approach must be:
1. Underage development
2. Resource optimisation
3. Humility to realise how low we are
4. "Winning" Character development amongst existing and future players
5. Athletic optimisation

Slagging off players , management and county board isn't part of that plan. Derry turned it around through unity not bickering .

We can do the same

Derry bickered and get rid of most of their county board did they not?


If you have someone in mind for the county board will you please forward their nomination to the county convention at the end of the year, this crap about getting rid of the top maddens me. If people want to change it then nominate themselves or other persons. Its very easy to run for election for a county position. I just haven't seen many ballots at convention in the past number of years. We have very capable administrators in place and a few tweaks is all is needed.

Your post before this one was you literally complaining about the County Board gobshite 🙄 so you think we should reward them and let them keep doing what they're doing and appointing the wrong candidates over youth teams or getting rid of the right man when they're in charge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 10:52:30 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 30, 2022, 10:25:48 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 10:14:30 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 30, 2022, 10:04:29 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on May 30, 2022, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 09:12:52 AM
Derry shows what buy-in from clubs can bring to the county. I do think we have every bit as talented as Derry but the commitment shown to Gallagher shows what can happen. For a club with Kilcoos history, it's a shame they have no intercounty All-Ireland Senior football medalists and I think maybe only James Morgan (1971) is their only Ulster intercounty medalist. I do think we have the footballers in this county to challenge for an Ulster title but we can't have anyone outside looking in, we need everyone at the party.

Interesting points. It's ok saying we are every bit as talented as Derry but in reality , when they were dipping down to division 4, they developed a serious underage production line , during an era when we only qualified for 1 underage final in 13 years.they also struggled at senior level when sleachtnéil were focussed on club. Now when the sleachtnéil men are able to  concentrate on county , look what's happening. Down can mirror this approach , I'd be confident Kilcoo will help lead Down out of the doldrums , but the focus must be serious work and resources put into underage , whilst trying to harness those senior players in this county with the attitude and humility to realise there's serious work to be done. In the midst of that environment, marquee players will emerge but the approach must be:
1. Underage development
2. Resource optimisation
3. Humility to realise how low we are
4. "Winning" Character development amongst existing and future players
5. Athletic optimisation

Slagging off players , management and county board isn't part of that plan. Derry turned it around through unity not bickering .

We can do the same

Derry bickered and get rid of most of their county board did they not?


If you have someone in mind for the county board will you please forward their nomination to the county convention at the end of the year, this crap about getting rid of the top maddens me. If people want to change it then nominate themselves or other persons. Its very easy to run for election for a county position. I just haven't seen many ballots at convention in the past number of years. We have very capable administrators in place and a few tweaks is all is needed.

Your post before this one was you literally complaining about the County Board gobshite 🙄 so you think we should reward them and let them keep doing what they're doing and appointing the wrong candidates over youth teams or getting rid of the right man when they're in charge

A few tweaks to the executive are all that's needed and it's up to the club to change it, they have the power and can nominate people. Our games are run well by the CCC for a large part and our finances are in a far better place than they were 10 years ago. Our coaching and athletic development could improve and that would mean access to secondary school squads, I have said it for years that our coaches are being subsituted as PE teachers in primary schools.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 12:29:09 PM
Onto the club scene:

What has happened in Carryduff, are they missing players? They need to start picking up points.

A big point for Rostrevor over Burren, I heard whimpers that the Burren supporters are getting frustrated at the defensive football they are playing which is not suited to their players. But they have an array of talent back this weekend and will comfortably make the top 4 along with Kilcoo, Mayobridge and Clonduff. With these four teams having been drawn against each other in the opening fixture in the championship, I can't see these games carrying much weight. The bottom 8 games will be where the action is at and there will be some great games.

Divison 2 is a great division with only 6 points separating relation and promotion so two wins or two defeats could pull you anywhere.

The second promotion spot in divison 3 is going to be a battle , Shamrocks look home and hosed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 30, 2022, 03:42:21 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 12:29:09 PM
Onto the club scene:

What has happened in Carryduff, are they missing players? They need to start picking up points.

A big point for Rostrevor over Burren, I heard whimpers that the Burren supporters are getting frustrated at the defensive football they are playing which is not suited to their players. But they have an array of talent back this weekend and will comfortably make the top 4 along with Kilcoo, Mayobridge and Clonduff. With these four teams having been drawn against each other in the opening fixture in the championship, I can't see these games carrying much weight. The bottom 8 games will be where the action is at and there will be some great games.

Divison 2 is a great division with only 6 points separating relation and promotion so two wins or two defeats could pull you anywhere.

The second promotion spot in divison 3 is going to be a battle , Shamrocks look home and hosed.

Carryduff had a lot of lads on the county panel at one point under Paddy Tally.
Had they as many this season?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 30, 2022, 04:47:54 PM
Sorry to ask what is probably a silly question but are the leagues only one round. In particular I was wondering about underage football. The current fixture list on Down GAA website says the all the teams will have played each other once by 26th June. Is that the season over for the wee lads or has a second round of fixtures to be yet released?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on May 30, 2022, 04:56:05 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 30, 2022, 04:47:54 PM
Sorry to ask what is probably a silly question but are the leagues only one round. In particular I was wondering about underage football. The current fixture list on Down GAA website says the all the teams will have played each other once by 26th June. Is that the season over for the wee lads or has a second round of fixtures to be yet released?
Is that U11s or 13s? I know for the 11s they were planning to split the leagues and run more fixtures from there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 30, 2022, 05:23:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 12:29:09 PM
Onto[[/b] the club scene:

What has happened in Carryduff, are they missing players? They need to start picking up points.

A big point for Rostrevor over Burren, I heard whimpers that the Burren supporters are getting frustrated at the defensive football they are playing which is not suited to their players. But they have an array of talent back this weekend and will comfortably make the top 4 along with Kilcoo, Mayobridge and Clonduff. With these four teams having been drawn against each other in the opening fixture in the championship, I can't see these games carrying much weight. The bottom 8 games will be where the action is at and there will be some great games.

Divison 2 is a great division with only 6 points separating relation and promotion so two wins or two defeats could pull you anywhere.

The second promotion spot in divison 3 is going to be a battle , Shamrocks look home and hosed.

Burren folk are going mad. Lads not getting football with seniors and not allowed to play for reserves etc. it's a calamity. Long May it continue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 31, 2022, 10:00:23 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 30, 2022, 05:23:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 12:29:09 PM
Onto[[/b] the club scene:

What has happened in Carryduff, are they missing players? They need to start picking up points.

A big point for Rostrevor over Burren, I heard whimpers that the Burren supporters are getting frustrated at the defensive football they are playing which is not suited to their players. But they have an array of talent back this weekend and will comfortably make the top 4 along with Kilcoo, Mayobridge and Clonduff. With these four teams having been drawn against each other in the opening fixture in the championship, I can't see these games carrying much weight. The bottom 8 games will be where the action is at and there will be some great games.

Divison 2 is a great division with only 6 points separating relation and promotion so two wins or two defeats could pull you anywhere.

The second promotion spot in divison 3 is going to be a battle , Shamrocks look home and hosed.

Burren folk are going mad. Lads not getting football with seniors and not allowed to play for reserves etc. it's a calamity. Long May it continue.

I doubt its a calamity and I wouldnt bet against them challenging for honours in the big 4 championships
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 31, 2022, 11:48:39 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 31, 2022, 10:00:23 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 30, 2022, 05:23:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 12:29:09 PM
Onto[[/b] the club scene:

What has happened in Carryduff, are they missing players? They need to start picking up points.

A big point for Rostrevor over Burren, I heard whimpers that the Burren supporters are getting frustrated at the defensive football they are playing which is not suited to their players. But they have an array of talent back this weekend and will comfortably make the top 4 along with Kilcoo, Mayobridge and Clonduff. With these four teams having been drawn against each other in the opening fixture in the championship, I can't see these games carrying much weight. The bottom 8 games will be where the action is at and there will be some great games.

Divison 2 is a great division with only 6 points separating relation and promotion so two wins or two defeats could pull you anywhere.

The second promotion spot in divison 3 is going to be a battle , Shamrocks look home and hosed.

Burren folk are going mad. Lads not getting football with seniors and not allowed to play for reserves etc. it's a calamity. Long May it continue.

I doubt its a calamity and I wouldnt bet against them challenging for honours in the big 4 championships
Big 4?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 31, 2022, 11:55:10 AM
I'm interested in Truth and Cuban's thoughts on Derry winning an Ulster title with a team entirely from South Derry.

Good for Derry?

Bad for Derry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 31, 2022, 02:01:46 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on May 31, 2022, 11:48:39 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 31, 2022, 10:00:23 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 30, 2022, 05:23:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 30, 2022, 12:29:09 PM
Onto[[/b] the club scene:

What has happened in Carryduff, are they missing players? They need to start picking up points.

A big point for Rostrevor over Burren, I heard whimpers that the Burren supporters are getting frustrated at the defensive football they are playing which is not suited to their players. But they have an array of talent back this weekend and will comfortably make the top 4 along with Kilcoo, Mayobridge and Clonduff. With these four teams having been drawn against each other in the opening fixture in the championship, I can't see these games carrying much weight. The bottom 8 games will be where the action is at and there will be some great games.

Divison 2 is a great division with only 6 points separating relation and promotion so two wins or two defeats could pull you anywhere.

The second promotion spot in divison 3 is going to be a battle , Shamrocks look home and hosed.

Burren folk are going mad. Lads not getting football with seniors and not allowed to play for reserves etc. it's a calamity. Long May it continue.

I doubt its a calamity and I wouldnt bet against them challenging for honours in the big 4 championships
Big 4?

Senior, PRFC, RFC, Minor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 31, 2022, 02:02:37 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 31, 2022, 11:55:10 AM
I'm interested in Truth and Cuban's thoughts on Derry winning an Ulster title with a team entirely from South Derry.

Good for Derry?

Bad for Derry?

Who would win a game East Down v South Down  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on May 31, 2022, 02:26:28 PM
Gentlemen

Name your 15s!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on May 31, 2022, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 31, 2022, 02:02:37 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 31, 2022, 11:55:10 AM
I'm interested in Truth and Cuban's thoughts on Derry winning an Ulster title with a team entirely from South Derry.

Good for Derry?

Bad for Derry?

Who would win a game East Down v South Down  ;)
wise up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 31, 2022, 03:42:17 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 31, 2022, 02:02:37 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 31, 2022, 11:55:10 AM
I'm interested in Truth and Cuban's thoughts on Derry winning an Ulster title with a team entirely from South Derry.

Good for Derry?

Bad for Derry?

Who would win a game East Down v South Down  ;)
I remember years ago they used to have a game between east and south down in newcastle every year. was sponsored by powerade if im not mistaken
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 31, 2022, 03:48:58 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on May 31, 2022, 02:26:28 PM
Gentlemen

Name your 15s!!!

Kilcoo team ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on May 31, 2022, 06:24:46 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on May 30, 2022, 04:56:05 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 30, 2022, 04:47:54 PM
Sorry to ask what is probably a silly question but are the leagues only one round. In particular I was wondering about underage football. The current fixture list on Down GAA website says the all the teams will have played each other once by 26th June. Is that the season over for the wee lads or has a second round of fixtures to be yet released?
Is that U11s or 13s? I know for the 11s they were planning to split the leagues and run more fixtures from there.

Yeah thanks, my little nephew plays U11. All the fixtures stop on 26th June allowing for either a home or away game against each other side. But I seem to remember him playing all summer last year and it was home and away for every side. this years the leagues are bigger because they went from four divisions to three divisions but I was surprised at the thought that they might only play one round of fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on May 31, 2022, 07:20:43 PM
SD 15-

1. G McMahon
2. P Fegan
3. F McIlroy
4. D O'Hagan
5. R McCormack
6. J Boyle
7. P Brannigan
8. C McCartan
9. O Murdock
10. D Magill
11. L Kerr
12. B O'Hagan
13. C Quinn
14. R McGarry
15. D O'Hare

ED 15
1. N Kane
2. A Brannigan
3. R McEvoy
4. G Collins
5. M Rooney
6. D Brannigan
7. D Guinness
8. D Ward
9. J Connery
10. E Brannigan
11. C Doherty
12. D Savage
13. J Johnson
14. C McCrickard
15. P Devlin
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 31, 2022, 08:15:20 PM
Quote from: GAA Madness on May 31, 2022, 07:20:43 PM
SD 15-

1. G McMahon
2. P Fegan
3. F McIlroy
4. D O'Hagan
5. R McCormack
6. J Boyle
7. P Brannigan
8. C McCartan
9. O Murdock
10. D Magill
11. L Kerr
12. B O'Hagan
13. C Quinn
14. R McGarry
15. D O'Hare

ED 15
1. N Kane
2. A Brannigan
3. R McEvoy
4. G Collins
5. M Rooney
6. D Brannigan
7. D Guinness
8. D Ward
9. J Connery
10. E Brannigan
11. C Doherty
12. D Savage
13. J Johnson
14. C McCrickard
15. P Devlin
Your name says it all. A Clown joining other clowns in this ridiculous idea.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 01, 2022, 09:01:39 AM
Carryduff were excellent in the second half last night for a much-needed win. Four points separate 6 teams in division one. CPN v Loughinisland on Friday night is massive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 01, 2022, 08:45:14 PM
Derry as in North Derry were only strong when Dungiven, Coleraine, and, Banagher were going well, all 3 are not now, Dungiven demise is particular shocking as they been in the top 4/5 teams in Derry as far bck as the 70's. Derry have a very weak bench made up of u-20 who I feel are too young. There about 10 players in the county I have on the panel 3/4 who start. Maybe nxt Yr some of these be bck if Gallagher selects them, half dropped off as they weren't getting game time which they should have against weaker teams in the league. What's Down to do, we'll go bck to a outside manager, no baggage, Get everyone onboard if the, Kilcoo prima Donna's don't think they too good for it, Then look at a system of  player  to suit the players available.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on June 01, 2022, 09:34:33 PM
Fresh start and fresh approach required in down. If there's to be a new management team in next year which I feel there should be, the 40 best footballers in down need to make up the panel. The logistics and likelihood of that happening however are a lot easier said than done! The lack of player buy in is worrying and the reasons behind this is something which needs to be seriously addressed for positive change to happen. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 01, 2022, 09:46:01 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 01, 2022, 08:45:14 PM
Derry as in North Derry were only strong when Dungiven, Coleraine, and, Banagher were going well, all 3 are not now, Dungiven demise is particular shocking as they been in the top 4/5 teams in Derry as far bck as the 70's. Derry have a very weak bench made up of u-20 who I feel are too young. There about 10 players in the county I have on the panel 3/4 who start. Maybe nxt Yr some of these be bck if Gallagher selects them, half dropped off as they weren't getting game time which they should have against weaker teams in the league. What's Down to do, we'll go bck to a outside manager, no baggage, Get everyone onboard if the, Kilcoo prima Donna's don't think they too good for it, Then look at a system of  player  to suit the players available.
There we go!Follow wildweasel's instruction and we'll win Ulster 2024 or 2025
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 01, 2022, 11:06:13 PM
Shocking result tonight in division 2 with the johnnies posting a massive score. Burren beating the town was expected and Kilcoo do what they do - win - but not by much..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 01, 2022, 11:52:16 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 01, 2022, 11:06:13 PM
Shocking result tonight in division 2 with the johnnies posting a massive score. Burren beating the town was expected and Kilcoo do what they do - win - but not by much..
Terrible!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: hectorsheroes on June 02, 2022, 02:11:56 AM
Yep - ain't it shite to see a big score from a small team #youllneverlearn
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 02, 2022, 08:30:22 AM
Quote from: hectorsheroes on June 02, 2022, 02:11:56 AM
Yep - ain't it shite to see a big score from a small team #youllneverlearn

Who's over St John's now?
They've had a few big names over the years & not always delivered
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 02, 2022, 10:47:11 AM
Quote from: hectorsheroes on June 02, 2022, 02:11:56 AM
Yep - ain't it shite to see a big score from a small team #youllneverlearn

I meant it was a shock as they have been going poorly this season without Gilmore in attack.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 03, 2022, 06:48:09 PM
Listened to the load of balls podcast this week. Sometimes it's quite interesting with the panelist's they have on but my god Lucy Connor let herself down a bagful this week by basically saying the development squad from a few years ago were set up and going well and then the Burren players became available but when they came in they somehow upset the whole camaraderie of the squad and lads quit football over it etc. so clearly her brother was a player that was ousted from the team when the Burren lads walked in! I do agree with Peter McGrath tho that we need to abandon the development squads and create something that works for our players in our county. Peter is a very knowledgeable man on all things Down GAA related in fairness.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 03, 2022, 06:54:57 PM
 Why would they bring her,whoever she is,onto a GAA podcast?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 03, 2022, 07:20:44 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 03, 2022, 06:54:57 PM
Why would they bring her,whoever she is,onto a GAA podcast?

Podcasts owners other half why she's on it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 03, 2022, 09:16:59 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 03, 2022, 06:54:57 PM
Why would they bring her,whoever she is,onto a GAA podcast?

Lol. Are you for real? On here giving your opinions & really don't know???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on June 03, 2022, 09:51:57 PM
Agree I  think the development squads are not working for down so we should look at something different.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 04, 2022, 09:45:19 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 03, 2022, 09:16:59 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 03, 2022, 06:54:57 PM
Why would they bring her,whoever she is,onto a GAA podcast?

Lol. Are you for real? On here giving your opinions & really don't know???
No I don't know who she is and if she is the podcast owner's other half,
he'd need to grow a set and leave her at home.Serious error of judgement
to bring her onto his show.Really it's quite pathetic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 04, 2022, 01:31:55 PM
So, were half way through div 2 for most teams and this is what it looks like. It's still on our own hands. 


Team         Pts played
1   Bredagh      15   9   
2   Longstone11   9   
3   Saval      11   9   
4   Glenn       10   9   
5   Saul        8    8
6   Darragh         8           8   
7   An Riocht   7    8   
8   Annaclone  7     9   
9   Liatroim       5     9   
10   St Johns    4           8   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 04, 2022, 07:01:43 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 04, 2022, 05:54:12 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 04, 2022, 01:31:55 PM
So, were half way through div 2 for most teams and this is what it looks like. It's still on our own hands. 


Team         Pts played
1   Bredagh      15   9   
2   Longstone11   9   
3   Saval      11   9   
4   Glenn       10   9   
5   Saul        8    8
6   Darragh         8           8   
7   An Riocht   7    8   
8   Annaclone  7     9   
9   Liatroim       5     9   
10   St Johns    4           8
It's only the half way point at this stage.

And that's what I said
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 04, 2022, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 04, 2022, 07:01:43 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 04, 2022, 05:54:12 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 04, 2022, 01:31:55 PM
So, were half way through div 2 for most teams and this is what it looks like. It's still on our own hands. 


Team         Pts played
1   Bredagh      15   9   
2   Longstone11   9   
3   Saval      11   9   
4   Glenn       10   9   
5   Saul        8    8
6   Darragh         8           8   
7   An Riocht   7    8   
8   Annaclone  7     9   
9   Liatroim       5     9   
10   St Johns    4           8
It's only the half way point at this stage.

And that's what I said
Best of luck in the next half but we're on your tail.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on June 04, 2022, 09:41:54 PM
You Saul or Saval Sam?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 04, 2022, 10:24:57 PM
Quote from: Godsown on June 04, 2022, 09:41:54 PM
You Saul or Saval Sam?
How can you ask if I am Saul? Saval from cradle to coffin!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 04, 2022, 10:39:49 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 03, 2022, 07:20:44 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 03, 2022, 06:54:57 PM
Why would they bring her,whoever she is,onto a GAA podcast?

Podcasts owners other half why she's on it
FFS John,what are you at?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 05, 2022, 01:04:46 PM
A real competitive league that.
We joint second have dropped 7 points in 9 games you know it's competitive
Surprised Bredagh are leading it thought it would be Longstone easily followed by anyone of Glenn Bredagh or Darragh Cross
All to Play for heading into the second half
Looks like Shamrocks will walk 3
Kilcoo walking 1 with Castlewellan Rostrevor gone and 2 from any 4 of above
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 06, 2022, 01:52:30 PM
So does anyone know if James is staying on or if there's a new management team coming in for our senior footballers?

What's the word in the Busy Bee Truth Hurts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 06, 2022, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 06, 2022, 01:52:30 PM
So does anyone know if James is staying on or if there's a new management team coming in for our senior footballers?

What's the word in the Busy Bee Truth Hurts?

one of my prominent officials has told me :

Wee James is staying  but will have a stronger coaching team behind him

Laverty to stay with u20s

New u17 management to come in

It was hard not to feel envous watching Armagh yesterday with the whole county behind them. Please get those great summer days back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 06, 2022, 02:28:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 06, 2022, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 06, 2022, 01:52:30 PM
So does anyone know if James is staying on or if there's a new management team coming in for our senior footballers?

What's the word in the Busy Bee Truth Hurts?

one of my prominent officials has told me :

Wee James is staying  but will have a stronger coaching team behind him

Laverty to stay with u20s

New u17 management to come in

It was hard not to feel envous watching Armagh yesterday with the whole county behind them. Please get those great summer days back

Any names?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 06, 2022, 02:36:49 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 06, 2022, 02:28:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 06, 2022, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 06, 2022, 01:52:30 PM
So does anyone know if James is staying on or if there's a new management team coming in for our senior footballers?

What's the word in the Busy Bee Truth Hurts?

one of my prominent officials has told me :

Wee James is staying  but will have a stronger coaching team behind him

Laverty to stay with u20s

New u17 management to come in

It was hard not to feel envous watching Armagh yesterday with the whole county behind them. Please get those great summer days back

Any names?

the u17 management will be puts to club after the next county board meeting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 06, 2022, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 06, 2022, 02:36:49 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 06, 2022, 02:28:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 06, 2022, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 06, 2022, 01:52:30 PM
So does anyone know if James is staying on or if there's a new management team coming in for our senior footballers?

What's the word in the Busy Bee Truth Hurts?

one of my prominent officials has told me :

Wee James is staying  but will have a stronger coaching team behind him

Laverty to stay with u20s

New u17 management to come in

It was hard not to feel envous watching Armagh yesterday with the whole county behind them. Please get those great summer days back

Any names?

the u17 management will be puts to club after the next county board meeting

Which 1990s AI winner or Burren man will it be this time?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on June 06, 2022, 04:03:59 PM
Yeah I was envious of Armagh yesterday. Who ever is in the down hot seat I hope they can assemble a group that will fight like the limerick or Clare hurlers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 06, 2022, 09:42:10 PM


Which 1990s AI winner or Burren man will it be this time?
[/quote]

Neither - a Kilcoo man by all accounts.. some people won't be happy until they are in charge of everything in the county..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on June 06, 2022, 09:44:36 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 06, 2022, 09:42:10 PM


Which 1990s AI winner or Burren man will it be this time?

Neither - a Kilcoo man by all accounts.. some people won't be happy until they are in charge of everything in the county..
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Any names?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on June 06, 2022, 10:19:48 PM
Considering their record it might not be a bad thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 07, 2022, 08:59:23 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on June 06, 2022, 10:19:48 PM
Considering their record it might not be a bad thing.

All their success at senior level has been with outside managers & coaches?
There's been a few club men in the background but not many & not many Kilcoo men have coached  outside their club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on June 07, 2022, 09:35:46 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 07, 2022, 08:59:23 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on June 06, 2022, 10:19:48 PM
Considering their record it might not be a bad thing.

All their success at senior level has been with outside managers & coaches?
There's been a few club men in the background but not many & not many Kilcoo men have coached  outside their club.

Was Jerome Johnson not with Loughinisland a while back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 07, 2022, 09:38:52 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 07, 2022, 09:35:46 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 07, 2022, 08:59:23 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on June 06, 2022, 10:19:48 PM
Considering their record it might not be a bad thing.

All their success at senior level has been with outside managers & coaches?
There's been a few club men in the background but not many & not many Kilcoo men have coached  outside their club.

He was & is currently with Ballybay but apart from a couple of others I can't think of any.

Was Jerome Johnson not with Loughinisland a while back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 07, 2022, 10:49:52 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 06, 2022, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 06, 2022, 02:36:49 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 06, 2022, 02:28:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 06, 2022, 01:57:41 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 06, 2022, 01:52:30 PM
So does anyone know if James is staying on or if there's a new management team coming in for our senior footballers?

What's the word in the Busy Bee Truth Hurts?

one of my prominent officials has told me :

Wee James is staying  but will have a stronger coaching team behind him

Laverty to stay with u20s

New u17 management to come in

It was hard not to feel envous watching Armagh yesterday with the whole county behind them. Please get those great summer days back

Any names?

the u17 management will be puts to club after the next county board meeting

Which 1990s AI winner or Burren man will it be this time?

I heard POR and Daniel McCartan are interested
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 07, 2022, 12:25:37 PM
Bredagh are flying at football this year, top of division 2, competing well in U17 div 1 and the only team to beat table-toppers Newry Bosco. In u15 they sit top of the league with the Feile banked. At u13s they field two teams with the A's competing well in div 1 and B team are top of division 3.
At U11 they field 4 teams in East Down A, B, C, D.

It's a fantastic story and this will only benefit Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on June 07, 2022, 01:54:51 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 07, 2022, 12:25:37 PM
Bredagh are flying at football this year, top of division 2, competing well in U17 div 1 and the only team to beat table-toppers Newry Bosco. In u15 they sit top of the league with the Feile banked. At u13s they field two teams with the A's competing well in div 1 and B team are top of division 3.
At U11 they field 4 teams in East Down A, B, C, D.

It's a fantastic story and this will only benefit Down football.

And so they should be - Bredagh & Carryduff must have the largest pickings and memberships in the country
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on June 07, 2022, 10:08:02 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 07, 2022, 09:35:46 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 07, 2022, 08:59:23 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on June 06, 2022, 10:19:48 PM
Considering their record it might not be a bad thing.

All their success at senior level has been with outside managers & coaches?
There's been a few club men in the background but not many & not many Kilcoo men have coached  outside their club.

Was Jerome Johnson not with Loughinisland a while back?

Yes and he's currently coaching Ballybay in Monaghan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on June 07, 2022, 10:22:28 PM
Quote from: general on June 07, 2022, 01:54:51 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 07, 2022, 12:25:37 PM
Bredagh are flying at football this year, top of division 2, competing well in U17 div 1 and the only team to beat table-toppers Newry Bosco. In u15 they sit top of the league with the Feile banked. At u13s they field two teams with the A's competing well in div 1 and B team are top of division 3.
At U11 they field 4 teams in East Down A, B, C, D.

It's a fantastic story and this will only benefit Down football.

And so they should be - Bredagh & Carryduff must have the largest pickings and memberships in the country

Still needs the work put in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 08, 2022, 11:52:26 AM
You definitely need to work hard at it so credit to them in an area that is not so called GAA country.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 08, 2022, 12:47:22 PM
With the price of everything rocketing I am urging the county executive to keep the club championship games at £5 per adult until the quarter-finals of the championship. It would ensure massive crowds!

Inflating the price just turns people to Pairc tv
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 08, 2022, 01:58:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 08, 2022, 12:47:22 PM
With the price of everything rocketing I am urging the county executive to keep the club championship games at £5 per adult until the quarter-finals of the championship. It would ensure massive crowds!

Inflating the price just turns people to Pairc tv
Have you spoken to your Club delagte to pass that suggestion on or have you been speaking directly
to a Suit?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 08, 2022, 03:40:56 PM
Has James been reinstated for another year?? Heard today he has to reinvigorate his back room team but is back on board for another year at least?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 08, 2022, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 08, 2022, 03:40:56 PM
Has James been reinstated for another year?? Heard today he has to reinvigorate his back room team but is back on board for another year at least?

Yes I wrote this 2 days ago and this was from a person who is close to the top brass in the county.
Bigger coaches coming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 08, 2022, 04:01:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 08, 2022, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 08, 2022, 03:40:56 PM
Has James been reinstated for another year?? Heard today he has to reinvigorate his back room team but is back on board for another year at least?

Yes I wrote this 2 days ago and this was from a person who is close to the top brass in the county.
Bigger coaches coming.

Bigger names or physically bigger? ;)

Not sure there are many bigger names in coaching than Aidan O'Rourke?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 08, 2022, 05:02:08 PM
Only bigger coaches coming in to help James is Eamonn Rooneys finest
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 08, 2022, 08:11:00 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 13, 2022, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2022, 10:48:06 PM
Down better going with 30 players who want to play for Down and not disappear to America, Australia or drop if the panel. Derry went through 107 players in less than 10yrs, it was a joke. Down beat Derry in Newry 2yrs ago. Gallagher got rid of maybe 8/10 players I have thought good enough to start / on the panel. Due to either attitude or couldn't commit. Down gonna go the same way. Derry keep Slaughtneil on board to backbone the team, Kilcoo seem to they too good for the county team.
I think we're all up for building for the future but if we look back at the most recent plan prior to this,we know the results of that by our current situation.Who was in charge of implementing that and who is in charge of bringing this latest idea to fruition?The answer to this is critical as to the prospects of this plan succeeding.
Can't get my head around James and Co. staying on.Dressing room has long been lost and will probably not be got back.Just leave and let's have a clean sweep of the whole set-up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 08, 2022, 10:22:32 PM
Is it not the right thing to do to keep him involved?? Who else is going to take the role or indeed do any better? Take the current u20 setup in with him this year and it's a smooth transition next year for Laverty to take the post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 08, 2022, 10:32:32 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 08, 2022, 08:11:00 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 13, 2022, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2022, 10:48:06 PM
Down better going with 30 players who want to play for Down and not disappear to America, Australia or drop if the panel. Derry went through 107 players in less than 10yrs, it was a joke. Down beat Derry in Newry 2yrs ago. Gallagher got rid of maybe 8/10 players I have thought good enough to start / on the panel. Due to either attitude or couldn't commit. Down gonna go the same way. Derry keep Slaughtneil on board to backbone the team, Kilcoo seem to they too good for the county team.
I think we're all up for building for the future but if we look back at the most recent plan prior to this,we know the results of that by our current situation.Who was in charge of implementing that and who is in charge of bringing this latest idea to fruition?The answer to this is critical as to the prospects of this plan succeeding.
Can't get my head around James and Co. staying on.Dressing room has long been lost and will probably not be got back.Just leave and let's have a clean sweep of the whole set-up.

Completely agree . A waste of a year if true
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 08, 2022, 10:58:39 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 08, 2022, 10:22:32 PM
Is it not the right thing to do to keep him involved?? Who else is going to take the role or indeed do any better? Take the current u20 setup in with him this year and it's a smooth transition next year for Laverty to take the post.

Laverty holding on for the Kilcoo job.. He'll not be Down manager in 2024
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 08, 2022, 11:12:34 PM
 I listened to Aidan Forker today on the BBC Podcast.We are miles away from what Armagh are doing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on June 08, 2022, 11:58:16 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 08, 2022, 10:22:32 PM
Is it not the right thing to do to keep him involved?? Who else is going to take the role or indeed do any better? Take the current u20 setup in with him this year and it's a smooth transition next year for Laverty to take the post.

That would be a smart move. Laverty, whilst brilliant in his own right could learn from James for a year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 09, 2022, 08:21:00 AM
Quote from: ck on June 08, 2022, 11:58:16 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 08, 2022, 10:22:32 PM
Is it not the right thing to do to keep him involved?? Who else is going to take the role or indeed do any better? Take the current u20 setup in with him this year and it's a smooth transition next year for Laverty to take the post.

That would be a smart move. Laverty, whilst brilliant in his own right could learn from James for a year.
Learn what exactly?The rot has set in with the current Management and bringing others in won't improve this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 09, 2022, 12:12:54 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 09, 2022, 08:21:00 AM
Quote from: ck on June 08, 2022, 11:58:16 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 08, 2022, 10:22:32 PM
Is it not the right thing to do to keep him involved?? Who else is going to take the role or indeed do any better? Take the current u20 setup in with him this year and it's a smooth transition next year for Laverty to take the post.

That would be a smart move. Laverty, whilst brilliant in his own right could learn from James for a year.
Learn what exactly?The rot has set in with the current Management and bringing others in won't improve this.

Are the players not the problem? Are the clubs not the problem? There are major problems throughout the county and trying to blame senior management is a cop put. Sure 80% of club managers in divisions 1 and 2 would be putting pressure on their players to step away from the county to make the club team stronger. Anyone who disagrees with this is deluded. Our county champions taking the Piss out of their players who go to represent Down, like what in the name of good f##K.

Trying to blame wee James on this is madness and if he was given proper timescale, s and c , a top coach I would think we should win division 3. The squad was assembled in  parts in December, December !!!!!
The squad that finished the season should be on strength programs as we speak. The big clubs in Down would have good S and C but lower down the leagues this would not be a focal point so this should be happening now.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 09, 2022, 01:34:13 PM
What I heard when James was in charge of minors he was rarely at training on time and rarely interacted with the players so what would conor laverty learn from him.and I heard that from a parent of player James did a great job in 2010 because he surrounded himself with good coaches in Tally and mcivor.   He doesn't have that  around him anymore
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on June 09, 2022, 02:23:51 PM
Look the fundamental fact remains, James walked out of the job due to indiscipline within the squad all be it he came back a few days later. Now I may be wrong but surely the indiscipline within the squad stems from a lack of leadership of the management team. You add to that that if some of the best players in our county(Kilcoo not included) have refused to play for James this year what makes you think they will next year. Once again by keeping James on you are pushing it down the line before we can start to heal the divisions that currently exist. You cannot heal in the same environment that made you sick in the first place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 09, 2022, 02:50:35 PM
 You would all need to settle down and stop your insulting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on June 09, 2022, 02:53:20 PM
No insults there SamFever, check your political correctness meter for callibration.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 09, 2022, 03:36:18 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on June 09, 2022, 02:53:20 PM
No insults there SamFever, check your political correctness meter for callibration.
Not pretty reading all this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 09, 2022, 05:36:37 PM
Sometimes opinion isn't pretty .

I'm a bit over the whole well done James for taking the job spiel . The man admitted he hadn't seen much of the Down club scene for years so was he really doing what was best for Down when he took the job on ? And I'm not having the no one else wanted it line either . Time to move on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on June 09, 2022, 06:12:45 PM
No point in running after the Kilcoo players; they'd add depth to the squad, but apart from Daryl Brannigan, don't have the individual calibre of the Slaughtneil players (Rogers and McKaigue, both exceptional talents).
James obs isn't the answer, but what other candidates are available?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 10, 2022, 01:48:21 PM
I will head to Liatriom tonight for the West Down derby with Annaclone, Liatriom really need to win this one, i expect a few rows too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on June 10, 2022, 02:43:12 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 10, 2022, 01:48:21 PM
I will head to Liatriom tonight for the West Down derby with Annaclone, Liatriom really need to win this one, i expect a few rows too.
West Down does not include Liatroim.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 10, 2022, 02:44:10 PM
I see on social media that Bryansford are having an EGM tommorrow. Does anyone know what it is about?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on June 10, 2022, 04:15:29 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 10, 2022, 02:44:10 PM
I see on social media that Bryansford are having an EGM tommorrow. Does anyone know what it is about?

Apparently it's to do with the Protocol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 10, 2022, 06:21:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 10, 2022, 02:44:10 PM
I see on social media that Bryansford are having an EGM tommorrow. Does anyone know what it is about?

Says clearly that the meeting is to discuss future development of our facilities.

Bit of fake news from East Down County Board's number 1 fan.

⚽️👜
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 10, 2022, 10:05:30 PM
Massive result tonight for RGU. That's 3 of the top "big 4" they have beaten now. Loughinisland with a massive away win and Mayobridge full value for their win over Bryansford- even though they left it late. Carryduff beating rostrevor was as expected. I see Rostrevor have a new underage development coach that started his duties during the week - is this the way clubs are going to have to go now to get the best out of their youth? CPN have something similar set up but only for an initial 6 month period when it will be reviewed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on June 10, 2022, 11:09:38 PM
This has been the best season in Div1&2 in a long time. It's amazing how tight it is in both divisions at this stage. Big wins for RGU and Loughinisland tonight. Two wins in a row can massively change the complexion of anyone's season. Also see Longstone hammered An Riocht in the big derby of the weekend. How many teams go down from D2 this year anyone know? As things stand, Rostrevor and the town are gone and looks like it'll be Warrenpoint and Ballyholland atm but Bryansford might get sucked in to that I think with 2 of them, CPN and Harps down. Massive win for mayobridge who I'm surprised at because I haven't been impressed with them any time I've seen them. RGU have racked up three brilliant results in a row and should be fine now. Hard to call. Burren seem to be stale under McCorry already, the patrons in St Mary's giving off about the negative football already. Apart from hammering CPN seconds, they haven't set the world alight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 11, 2022, 10:16:03 AM
Four go down from both 1&2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 12, 2022, 04:51:18 PM
Absolutely great performance from our lads today. Fully deserving off their victory and it actually could have been more. Clonduff are starting to miss some players and with Barry OHagan leaving soon they could struggle. We have just timed our run too late for top four in league but are in good form for the bottom 8...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on June 12, 2022, 09:56:03 PM
Lads, how does your league work this year. I see top 4 & bottom 8 mentioned but how is it worked out and then what happens...?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 12, 2022, 09:59:59 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 12, 2022, 09:56:03 PM
Lads, how does your league work this year. I see top 4 & bottom 8 mentioned but how is it worked out and then what happens...?

Top teams play for the league title the bottom play to avoid relegation (bottom 4 in Div 1 relegated). Worked out same as SPL play points carry over into league split. So technically 5th could end up with more points than 4th but still finish 5th in the league.

We didn't have relegation last year so aim is to get our leagues structured back to the way they were pre-covid
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on June 12, 2022, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 12, 2022, 09:59:59 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 12, 2022, 09:56:03 PM
Lads, how does your league work this year. I see top 4 & bottom 8 mentioned but how is it worked out and then what happens...?

Top teams play for the league title the bottom play to avoid relegation (bottom 4 in Div 1 relegated). Worked out same as SPL play points carry over into league split. So technically 5th could end up with more points than 4th but still finish 5th in the league.

We didn't have relegation last year so aim is to get our leagues structured back to the way they were pre-covid

In the top 4 is it a straight semi final then final so maximum 2 more games or what?
How does bottom 8 work? Is it 7 more league games or a straight play off game to avoid relegation with 4 losers getting relegated?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on June 13, 2022, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 12, 2022, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 12, 2022, 09:59:59 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 12, 2022, 09:56:03 PM
Lads, how does your league work this year. I see top 4 & bottom 8 mentioned but how is it worked out and then what happens...?

Top teams play for the league title the bottom play to avoid relegation (bottom 4 in Div 1 relegated). Worked out same as SPL play points carry over into league split. So technically 5th could end up with more points than 4th but still finish 5th in the league.

We didn't have relegation last year so aim is to get our leagues structured back to the way they were pre-covid

In the top 4 is it a straight semi final then final so maximum 2 more games or what?
How does bottom 8 work? Is it 7 more league games or a straight play off game to avoid relegation with 4 losers getting relegated?

"ACL Division 1 shall consist of twelve teams. FIRST STAGE: One set of rounds(Rounds 1-11).
SECOND STAGE (Division 1A):The teams that are placed in the top four positions after Round 11 will play each other on a home and away basis (Rounds 12-17).
The teams that finish in first and second places will qualify for the ACL Division 1 final. SECOND STAGE (Division 1B):The teams that are placed in positions 5-12 after Round 11 will play each other (Rounds 12-18). The teams that finish in 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th places will be relegated to Division 2.

ACL Division 2 shall consist of ten teams with two sets of rounds (Round 1-18) on home and away basis.
The team that finishes in first place will be promoted to ACL Division 1 and will be awarded the ACL Division 2 title.
The team that finishes in 2nd place will be promoted to ACL Division 1.
The teams that finish in 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th places will be relegated to ACL Division 3.

ACL Division 3 shall consist of twelve teams. FIRST STAGE: One set of rounds (Rounds 1-11).
SECOND STAGE (Division 3A): The teams that are placed in the top four positions after Round 11 will play each other on a home and away basis (Rounds 12-17).
The teams that finish in first and second places will qualify for the ACL Division 3 final. SECOND STAGE (Division 3B): The teams that are placed in positions 5-12 after Round 11 will play each other (Rounds 12-18). The teams that finish in 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th places will be relegated to Division 4.

ACL Division 4 shall consist of nine teams.
FIRST STAGE: Two groups (One group of 5 teams and one group of 4 teams)based on final positions from the 2021 ACL Division 4. Teams in each group will play each other on a home and away basis. (The teams in first position in each group after this stage will receive a bye to the quarter-finals of the 2022 Junior Football Championship). SECOND STAGE: One set of rounds for nine teams (Rounds 1-8). Teams will carry forward their accumulated points from the First Stage.
The team that finishes in first place will be awarded the ACL Division 4 title and will be promoted to ACL Division3."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 13, 2022, 08:48:11 AM
Kilcoo, Burren, and Mayobridge are confirmed in the top 4. It looks like if RGU win on Friday v Loughinisland that they will join them. Clonduff has fallen back badly as of late and their form is concerning if they are in a relegation battle. Rostrevor and Castlewellan are doomed so it will be a fight between 6 teams with 2 going down. Ballyholland started well in the league but has fallen badly and they could be heading for division two if they don't improve quickly. CPN are starting to get their players back and I expect them and Carryduff to be ok. But the way the season is going I would not bet on anything.
Annaclone are in trouble in 2, they might be better with a year in division 3. A massive win for Saval on Friday which puts Glenn out of the promotion battle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 13, 2022, 09:28:00 AM
It's great to see RGU going well in the league and as I said before when the Townies go well, Down go well.  When we won our 5 all Irelands a Town team won the SFC

60- Mitchells
61-Shamrocks
68-Mitchells
91-RGU
94-The Town

The Aristocratic clubs in Down will always churn out players but we need more from the Towns. It's good to see the Bosco topping the minor league too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on June 13, 2022, 09:47:05 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on June 13, 2022, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 12, 2022, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 12, 2022, 09:59:59 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 12, 2022, 09:56:03 PM
Lads, how does your league work this year. I see top 4 & bottom 8 mentioned but how is it worked out and then what happens...?

Top teams play for the league title the bottom play to avoid relegation (bottom 4 in Div 1 relegated). Worked out same as SPL play points carry over into league split. So technically 5th could end up with more points than 4th but still finish 5th in the league.

We didn't have relegation last year so aim is to get our leagues structured back to the way they were pre-covid

In the top 4 is it a straight semi final then final so maximum 2 more games or what?
How does bottom 8 work? Is it 7 more league games or a straight play off game to avoid relegation with 4 losers getting relegated?

"ACL Division 1 shall consist of twelve teams. FIRST STAGE: One set of rounds(Rounds 1-11).
SECOND STAGE (Division 1A):The teams that are placed in the top four positions after Round 11 will play each other on a home and away basis (Rounds 12-17).
The teams that finish in first and second places will qualify for the ACL Division 1 final. SECOND STAGE (Division 1B):The teams that are placed in positions 5-12 after Round 11 will play each other (Rounds 12-18). The teams that finish in 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th places will be relegated to Division 2.

ACL Division 2 shall consist of ten teams with two sets of rounds (Round 1-18) on home and away basis.
The team that finishes in first place will be promoted to ACL Division 1 and will be awarded the ACL Division 2 title.
The team that finishes in 2nd place will be promoted to ACL Division 1.
The teams that finish in 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th places will be relegated to ACL Division 3.

ACL Division 3 shall consist of twelve teams. FIRST STAGE: One set of rounds (Rounds 1-11).
SECOND STAGE (Division 3A): The teams that are placed in the top four positions after Round 11 will play each other on a home and away basis (Rounds 12-17).
The teams that finish in first and second places will qualify for the ACL Division 3 final. SECOND STAGE (Division 3B): The teams that are placed in positions 5-12 after Round 11 will play each other (Rounds 12-18). The teams that finish in 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th places will be relegated to Division 4.

ACL Division 4 shall consist of nine teams.
FIRST STAGE: Two groups (One group of 5 teams and one group of 4 teams)based on final positions from the 2021 ACL Division 4. Teams in each group will play each other on a home and away basis. (The teams in first position in each group after this stage will receive a bye to the quarter-finals of the 2022 Junior Football Championship). SECOND STAGE: One set of rounds for nine teams (Rounds 1-8). Teams will carry forward their accumulated points from the First Stage.
The team that finishes in first place will be awarded the ACL Division 4 title and will be promoted to ACL Division3."

That sounds like a lot of possible clashes between 2 clubs. For an example (only a possibility), Kilcoo and Burren have already played in phase 1. Then in phase 2 they play each other H&A so that is 3 games, plus possible league final will be 4. Then no doubt as in previous years they meet in championship front door route and again in the KO latter stages. That means they possibly play each other 5 or 6 times in a season - crazy stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 13, 2022, 10:09:57 AM
Burren plays Mayobridge in the first round of the SFC so they will play each other at least 3 times before the championship.  The top 4 will not be entertaining and teams will use this to get young lads experience of division 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on June 13, 2022, 10:29:26 AM
I agree, the top 4 won't be entertaining.
The rest of the league will be though. Let's say Loughinisland get a win over RGU, then they jump into 4th ahead of the last round of fixtures. You've then got 4th - 9th who are all within two points. So you could be challenging for top four but a loss and suddenly you are in a relegation battle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 13, 2022, 11:27:30 AM
I am just after hearing that the oligarchs in Burren are unhappy with Burren's style of football this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on June 13, 2022, 04:08:09 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 12, 2022, 04:51:18 PM
Absolutely great performance from our lads today. Fully deserving off their victory and it actually could have been more. Clonduff are starting to miss some players and with Barry OHagan leaving soon they could struggle. We have just timed our run too late for top four in league but are in good form for the bottom 8...

Where is Barry of to?
When do players from US return, early September?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 13, 2022, 09:40:14 PM

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Where is Barry of to?
When do players from US return, early September?
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Barry heading to Chicago by all accounts. 8 week block so will probably miss first round of championship - not that it really matters anyhow as it's not real championship..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 13, 2022, 11:20:12 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 13, 2022, 09:40:14 PM


Where is Barry of to?
When do players from US return, early September?
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Barry heading to Chicago by all accounts. 8 week block so will probably miss first round of championship - not that it really matters anyhow as it's not real championship..
[/quote]
  Not a real Championship? Please explain..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 14, 2022, 10:00:20 AM
When is the next county board meeting as I am sure county management in all age groups are on the clar.

We need to get our county back to a winning mentality, we need our county united. If James is appointed then the players need to be in the gym with a programme asap. He should also take someone like Darragh O'Hanlon into the setup to help out.
Laverty to remain in charge of 20s
The current Down u16 manager is Benny Coulter so I'd be happy for him to take on the role for next year, he would know the majority of players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on June 14, 2022, 12:13:44 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 14, 2022, 10:00:20 AM
When is the next county board meeting as I am sure county management in all age groups are on the clar.

We need to get our county back to a winning mentality, we need our county united. If James is appointed then the players need to be in the gym with a programme asap. He should also take someone like Darragh O'Hanlon into the setup to help out.
Laverty to remain in charge of 20s
The current Down u16 manager is Benny Coulter so I'd be happy for him to take on the role for next year, he would know the majority of players.
Doesn't make you a good manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 14, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
I am just in from a walk and I have heard that the county board is selling Newcastle. This is a sad day for Down GAA. For years Newcastle was a cauldron for teams traveling for county games. I see no reason why we could have redeveloped this iconic stadium for county games.
The atmosphere was always electric and it was a terrific venue for county finals.
I do not think this should be happening and it is a sad day for Down Gaels.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on June 14, 2022, 01:13:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 14, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
I am just in from a walk and I have heard that the county board is selling Newcastle. This is a sad day for Down GAA. For years Newcastle was a cauldron for teams traveling for county games. I see no reason why we could have redeveloped this iconic stadium for county games.
The atmosphere was always electric and it was a terrific venue for county finals.
I do not think this should be happening and it is a sad day for Down Gaels.

Did you walk from Ballykinlar to the county board office? That will certainly get the daily steps up. It would be of no benefit to redevelop the ground as there is no point in having it redeveloped to sit idle. County finals are just fine in Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on June 14, 2022, 01:51:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 14, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
I am just in from a walk and I have heard that the county board is selling Newcastle. This is a sad day for Down GAA. For years Newcastle was a cauldron for teams traveling for county games. I see no reason why we could have redeveloped this iconic stadium for county games.
The atmosphere was always electric and it was a terrific venue for county finals.
I do not think this should be happening and it is a sad day for Down Gaels.

Do the county board own all of the ground including the back pitches or just the main pitch and surrounding area? Do they still own the infamous site in Bryansford or was it sold at a lost?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 14, 2022, 01:56:46 PM
I am not sure how much they own tbh
There has been no talk of this, underhand meetings if you ask me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on June 14, 2022, 05:13:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 14, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
I am just in from a walk and I have heard that the county board is selling Newcastle. This is a sad day for Down GAA. For years Newcastle was a cauldron for teams traveling for county games. I see no reason why we could have redeveloped this iconic stadium for county games.
The atmosphere was always electric and it was a terrific venue for county finals.
I do not think this should be happening and it is a sad day for Down Gaels.

Did Saudi Arabia not buy it last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on June 14, 2022, 05:27:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 14, 2022, 01:56:46 PM
I am not sure how much they own tbh
There has been no talk of this, underhand meetings if you ask me.

I'd say unless your a Ford member it's none of your business
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 14, 2022, 07:53:58 PM
Quote from: MATTSARACEN on June 14, 2022, 05:13:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 14, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
I am just in from a walk and I have heard that the county board is selling Newcastle. This is a sad day for Down GAA. For years Newcastle was a cauldron for teams traveling for county games. I see no reason why we could have redeveloped this iconic stadium for county games.
The atmosphere was always electric and it was a terrific venue for county finals.
I do not think this should be happening and it is a sad day for Down Gaels.

Did Saudi Arabia not buy it last year?

Yea. They brought Eddie Howe, Conor Deegan & John Fegan in.  Apparently they're on serious dough.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on June 14, 2022, 10:15:15 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 14, 2022, 12:56:55 PM
I am just in from a walk and I have heard that the county board is selling Newcastle. This is a sad day for Down GAA. For years Newcastle was a cauldron for teams traveling for county games. I see no reason why we could have redeveloped this iconic stadium for county games.
The atmosphere was always electric and it was a terrific venue for county finals.
I do not think this should be happening and it is a sad day for Down Gaels.

If true that's an utter disgrace. Hope this is nothing more than rumour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 14, 2022, 11:22:12 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 13, 2022, 11:20:12 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 13, 2022, 09:40:14 PM


Where is Barry of to?
When do players from US return, early September?

Barry heading to Chicago by all accounts. 8 week block so will probably miss first round of championship - not that it really matters anyhow as it's not real championship..
[/quote]
  Not a real Championship? Please explain..
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Second chance given to all teams.. that's not a real championship. Do what they do in other counties - straight knockout.. that's a championship..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 14, 2022, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 13, 2022, 11:27:30 AM
I am just after hearing that the oligarchs in Burren are unhappy with Burren's style of football this year.

Yes they are. Not so sure it's the style of football or is it because "my boy" is not getting game time?? McCorry could be under real pressure if he fails to deliver Frank this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on June 15, 2022, 08:25:14 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 14, 2022, 11:22:12 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 13, 2022, 11:20:12 PM
Quote
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 13, 2022, 09:40:14 PM
Where is Barry of to?
When do players from US return, early September?

Barry heading to Chicago by all accounts. 8 week block so will probably miss first round of championship - not that it really matters anyhow as it's not real championship..
Not a real Championship? Please explain..

Second chance given to all teams.. that's not a real championship. Do what they do in other counties - straight knockout.. that's a championship..

Most other counties operate group stage championships. Off the top of my head, I can only think of Tyrone who do straight knockout. Who else does?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 15, 2022, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 14, 2022, 11:22:12 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 13, 2022, 11:20:12 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 13, 2022, 09:40:14 PM


Where is Barry of to?
When do players from US return, early September?

Barry heading to Chicago by all accounts. 8 week block so will probably miss first round of championship - not that it really matters anyhow as it's not real championship..
Not a real Championship? Please explain..
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Second chance given to all teams.. that's not a real championship. Do what they do in other counties - straight knockout.. that's a championship..
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    Phew!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 15, 2022, 09:04:00 AM
Second chance given to all teams.. that's not a real championship. Do what they do in other counties - straight knockout.. that's a championship

Spoken like a man who has never worked for 6 months only to lose in the first round & realise your season is over & you'll have to start over again in January.
Lads put too much in now for only one chance in championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 15, 2022, 09:13:24 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 15, 2022, 09:04:00 AM
Second chance given to all teams.. that's not a real championship. Do what they do in other counties - straight knockout.. that's a championship

Spoken like a man who has never worked for 6 months only to lose in the first round & realise your season is over & you'll have to start over again in January.
Lads put too much in now for only one chance in championship.

The championship format is ok
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 15, 2022, 09:34:02 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 15, 2022, 09:13:24 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 15, 2022, 09:04:00 AM
Second chance given to all teams.. that's not a real championship. Do what they do in other counties - straight knockout.. that's a championship

Spoken like a man who has never worked for 6 months only to lose in the first round & realise your season is over & you'll have to start over again in January.
Lads put too much in now for only one chance in championship.

The championship format is ok
Our Leagues(excluding Covid interruption) and Championships are well thought out and work very well.Some people just have just too much time on their hands ( or fingers in Johnnyboys's case) to be complaining.Idiot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on June 15, 2022, 02:13:18 PM
I would agree that the league and championship format in Down is good. However I would say that if the championship went back to a straight knockout format it could potentially open it up a bit more and give other clubs a better chance of winning it. Anyone is beatable in a one off game especially in the earlier stages. I realise that the revenue the multiple games bring in and giving lads extra games will make this unlikely to happen anytime soon. Would anyone agree?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on June 15, 2022, 02:40:40 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on June 15, 2022, 02:13:18 PM
I would agree that the league and championship format in Down is good. However I would say that if the championship went back to a straight knockout format it could potentially open it up a bit more and give other clubs a better chance of winning it. Anyone is beatable in a one off game especially in the earlier stages. I realise that the revenue the multiple games bring in and giving lads extra games will make this unlikely to happen anytime soon. Would anyone agree?

I agree with the multiple games for players but I think the gates have went down over the years apart from Kilcoo ones. Maybe it's because there were games spread out over other grounds back then and they looked fuller but there seemed to be more people there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on June 15, 2022, 03:40:37 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on June 15, 2022, 02:40:40 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on June 15, 2022, 02:13:18 PM
I would agree that the league and championship format in Down is good. However I would say that if the championship went back to a straight knockout format it could potentially open it up a bit more and give other clubs a better chance of winning it. Anyone is beatable in a one off game especially in the earlier stages. I realise that the revenue the multiple games bring in and giving lads extra games will make this unlikely to happen anytime soon. Would anyone agree?

I agree with the multiple games for players but I think the gates have went down over the years apart from Kilcoo ones. Maybe it's because there were games spread out over other grounds back then and they looked fuller but there seemed to be more people there.

Do you know that the gates are down or is that just opinion? No doubt the gates were down 2020 and possibly 2021 but that would have been down to Covid restrictions in the first instance and covid apprehension in year 2.
But not all counties use straight knock out. I think Donegal and Derry use groups initially though open to correction on that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 15, 2022, 03:59:03 PM
Look we can all be critical of the county executive at times but our leagues and championship is the envy of Ulster. The league is run like clockwork by the CCC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 15, 2022, 04:18:39 PM
Sad news in Bryansford today with the sudden passing of Raymie Harbinson, one of the greats of the club. RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 15, 2022, 04:19:08 PM
Attendances been down in recent years due to COVID, Pairc TV or similar streaming a lot of games and also price of tickets into matches
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on June 15, 2022, 05:03:52 PM
Quote from: Godsown on June 15, 2022, 03:40:37 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on June 15, 2022, 02:40:40 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on June 15, 2022, 02:13:18 PM
I would agree that the league and championship format in Down is good. However I would say that if the championship went back to a straight knockout format it could potentially open it up a bit more and give other clubs a better chance of winning it. Anyone is beatable in a one off game especially in the earlier stages. I realise that the revenue the multiple games bring in and giving lads extra games will make this unlikely to happen anytime soon. Would anyone agree?

I agree with the multiple games for players but I think the gates have went down over the years apart from Kilcoo ones. Maybe it's because there were games spread out over other grounds back then and they looked fuller but there seemed to be more people there.

Do you know that the gates are down or is that just opinion? No doubt the gates were down 2020 and possibly 2021 but that would have been down to Covid restrictions in the first instance and covid apprehension in year 2.
But not all counties use straight knock out. I think Donegal and Derry use groups initially though open to correction on that

I said it looks like there less people there, simply an observation - has anyone attendance numbers? Smaller grounds maybe give the feel of more people there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 16, 2022, 06:00:46 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 15, 2022, 09:04:00 AM
Second chance given to all teams.. that's not a real championship. Do what they do in other counties - straight knockout.. that's a championship

Spoken like a man who has never worked for 6 months only to lose in the first round & realise your season is over & you'll have to start over again in January.
Lads put too much in now for only one chance in championship.

I have lost in the first round of championship many many times. But we came back stronger and worked harder than the previous year to set it right. Lads put too much in now my arse - we put in just as much on the pitch and gym 20 years ago. The profile wasn't as big then but due to social media that has changed. If Clonduff raised themselves this year beyond normal and beat Kilcoo in round one - Kilcoo will probably get them in 1/4 final or semi final and knock them out like they did to us a few years back. In kilcoos 6 in a row they were beaten twice by Burren in early stages and ended up winning it outright - tarnished championships they are.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 16, 2022, 07:35:08 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 16, 2022, 06:00:46 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 15, 2022, 09:04:00 AM
Second chance given to all teams.. that's not a real championship. Do what they do in other counties - straight knockout.. that's a championship

Spoken like a man who has never worked for 6 months only to lose in the first round & realise your season is over & you'll have to start over again in January.
Lads put too much in now for only one chance in championship.

I have lost in the first round of championship many many times. But we came back stronger and worked harder than the previous year to set it right. Lads put too much in now my arse - we put in just as much on the pitch and gym 20 years ago. The profile wasn't as big then but due to social media that has changed. If Clonduff raised themselves this year beyond normal and beat Kilcoo in round one - Kilcoo will probably get them in 1/4 final or semi final and knock them out like they did to us a few years back. In kilcoos 6 in a row they were beaten twice by Burren in early stages and ended up winning it outright - tarnished championships they are.

So you came back stronger but have been beat in first round many many times 🤔🤔

Also that's complete and utter nonsense about guys doing as much in the gym 20 years ago . On the pitch maybe but it was mostly daft training , it's now much more quality coaching and less laps . Whatever you may say about the younger generation now you definitely cannot lay lacking condition at most of them . 20 years ago people gained 1/2 stone in the off season . There is no off season now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 16, 2022, 08:20:56 PM

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So you came back stronger but have been beat in first round many many times 🤔🤔

Also that's complete and utter nonsense about guys doing as much in the gym 20 years ago . On the pitch maybe but it was mostly daft training , it's now much more quality coaching and less laps . Whatever you may say about the younger generation now you definitely cannot lay lacking condition at most of them . 20 years ago people gained 1/2 stone in the off season . There is no off season now
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I Didn say we were beat many many times in consecutive years.
Mayb guys in your club weren't doing much in the gym 20 years ago but in CPN they certainly were. Remember 20 years ago Armagh won an all Ireland with a team of monsters who set the bar high in terms of conditioning. The usual stuff happened with the club scene thinking they shud be doing what county teams are doing. The gym sessions might not have been as structured and professionally laid out as they are nowadays but they were effective. And as for laps - more All Irelands were won with them than without them despite all the bullshit overpriced sports science gurus and what they say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on June 16, 2022, 08:49:37 PM
How does everyone see the end of the leagues next Friday?! Looks like Loughinisland will sneak fourth, it's between them and RGU. Winner of tomorrow night will most likely get top 4-some achievement for either club. Is Barry O'Hagan gone to the states? If so, Clonduff will be in the mix for relegation fight. I thought they'd beat Mayobridge last game but without a lot of lads now they'll struggle a bit. If they don't beat Mayobridge and some other results go against them, they won't be far off danger. I still think Town, Rostrevor, Bryansford and either Harps or CPN will go down. This bottom split is going to be brilliant for the neutrals. Are Bredagh a cert to come up? Who is best of the rest of so...money is on the stone finishing top and bredagh hanging on for second, barely...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on June 16, 2022, 08:58:38 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 16, 2022, 08:20:56 PM


So you came back stronger but have been beat in first round many many times 🤔🤔

Also that's complete and utter nonsense about guys doing as much in the gym 20 years ago . On the pitch maybe but it was mostly daft training , it's now much more quality coaching and less laps . Whatever you may say about the younger generation now you definitely cannot lay lacking condition at most of them . 20 years ago people gained 1/2 stone in the off season . There is no off season now
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I Didn say we were beat many many times in consecutive years.
Mayb guys in your club weren't doing much in the gym 20 years ago but in CPN they certainly were. Remember 20 years ago Armagh won an all Ireland with a team of monsters who set the bar high in terms of conditioning. The usual stuff happened with the club scene thinking they shud be doing what county teams are doing. The gym sessions might not have been as structured and professionally laid out as they are nowadays but they were effective. And as for laps - more All Irelands were won with them than without them despite all the bullshit overpriced sports science gurus and what they say.
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I can't debate with an old bitter man/woman/other set in his/her/their ways and loves a bit of back in my day type talk  . Things move on , sport  evolves , kids nowadays train smarter and mostly harder and more often than in the past   . In 20 more years they will be doing something different. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on June 16, 2022, 10:36:00 PM
Quote from: upandwin on June 16, 2022, 08:49:37 PM
How does everyone see the end of the leagues next Friday?! Looks like Loughinisland will sneak fourth, it's between them and RGU. Winner of tomorrow night will most likely get top 4-some achievement for either club. Is Barry O'Hagan gone to the states? If so, Clonduff will be in the mix for relegation fight. I thought they'd beat Mayobridge last game but without a lot of lads now they'll struggle a bit. If they don't beat Mayobridge and some other results go against them, they won't be far off danger. I still think Town, Rostrevor, Bryansford and either Harps or CPN will go down. This bottom split is going to be brilliant for the neutrals. Are Bredagh a cert to come up? Who is best of the rest of so...money is on the stone finishing top and bredagh hanging on for second, barely...

There are 4 worse teams than Clonduff, so they should be fine
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on June 17, 2022, 08:41:11 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 16, 2022, 08:20:56 PM


So you came back stronger but have been beat in first round many many times 🤔🤔

Also that's complete and utter nonsense about guys doing as much in the gym 20 years ago . On the pitch maybe but it was mostly daft training , it's now much more quality coaching and less laps . Whatever you may say about the younger generation now you definitely cannot lay lacking condition at most of them . 20 years ago people gained 1/2 stone in the off season . There is no off season now
[/quote]

I Didn say we were beat many many times in consecutive years.
Mayb guys in your club weren't doing much in the gym 20 years ago but in CPN they certainly were. Remember 20 years ago Armagh won an all Ireland with a team of monsters who set the bar high in terms of conditioning. The usual stuff happened with the club scene thinking they shud be doing what county teams are doing. The gym sessions might not have been as structured and professionally laid out as they are nowadays but they were effective. And as for laps - more All Irelands were won with them than without them despite all the bullshit overpriced sports science gurus and what they say.
[/quote]

More All Irelands were won with laps than without, simply because of the lack of knowledge and expertise available up until recent times. I would love to see an old school lap running team play against a modern team with "overpriced sports science gurus", with players of similar basic skill levels, as there would be only one winner there. Kudos to you for being 20 years ahead with gym programmes at your club, clearly they were effective over the last 2 decades. Structure and planning of this aspect nowadays is the reason they actually work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 17, 2022, 09:02:19 AM
Quote from: upandwin on June 16, 2022, 08:49:37 PM
How does everyone see the end of the leagues next Friday?! Looks like Loughinisland will sneak fourth, it's between them and RGU. Winner of tomorrow night will most likely get top 4-some achievement for either club. Is Barry O'Hagan gone to the states? If so, Clonduff will be in the mix for relegation fight. I thought they'd beat Mayobridge last game but without a lot of lads now they'll struggle a bit. If they don't beat Mayobridge and some other results go against them, they won't be far off danger. I still think Town, Rostrevor, Bryansford and either Harps or CPN will go down. This bottom split is going to be brilliant for the neutrals. Are Bredagh a cert to come up? Who is best of the rest of so...money is on the stone finishing top and bredagh hanging on for second, barely...

It all depends on the game tonight, if RGU win that's them in the top 4.

But if Island wins then there are a number of teams in the hunt. Clonduff have lost a few players and they will be looking to get something in Mayobridge next week to ease them away from that battle but they won't get getting any favours from their neighbors. The Ford has been unlucky the past few games and to be fair has really improved. Carryduff and CPN are starting to get their players back and will get points to safety. Ballyholland look in major trouble and seem to have someone sent off every game, they really need to sort their discipline out and I feel they could be sorting that out in division 2 next year. For the drop I reckon Rostrevor, Castlewellan, Ballyholland, and either Bryansford or Clonduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 18, 2022, 09:13:06 AM
Massive result for Loughinisland last night.
With Rostrevor at home next week they should hold on to 4th place.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 18, 2022, 11:33:20 AM
Wouldn't say we've snuck 4th.. We lost to the 3 teams higher than us and were unlucky against Clonduff at home. Still Rostrevor to play so hopefully all going well win that and assured Div 1 status.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on June 20, 2022, 10:17:49 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 18, 2022, 09:13:06 AM
Massive result for Loughinisland last night.
With Rostrevor at home next week they should hold on to 4th place.

Who is managing Loughinisland?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 20, 2022, 10:47:50 AM
45% of reserve league division 2 games were conceded this year. It's time for the reserve leagues to be given back to the divisional boards.

Loughinsialnd are managed by Kevin Duffin and Collie McCrickard, they are in pole position and if Rostrevor cannot stop Oisin Savage on Friday then It will be the Island joining Kilcoo, Burren and the Bridge in the league play-off. Savage is special and he is someone who we should have on S and C programme already. Is there any update on the senior management, Plans need to be in place for 2023 already?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on June 20, 2022, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on June 20, 2022, 10:17:49 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 18, 2022, 09:13:06 AM
Massive result for Loughinisland last night.
With Rostrevor at home next week they should hold on to 4th place.

Who is managing Loughinisland?

Kevin Duffin and Collie McCrickard
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Post by: Mourne Red on June 20, 2022, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 20, 2022, 10:47:50 AM
45% of reserve league division 2 games were conceded this year. It's time for the reserve leagues to be given back to the divisional boards.

Loughinsialnd are managed by Kevin Duffin and Collie McCrickard, they are in pole position and if Rostrevor cannot stop Oisin Savage on Friday then It will be the Island joining Kilcoo, Burren and the Bridge in the league play-off. Savage is special and he is someone who we should have on S and C programme already. Is there any update on the senior management, Plans need to be in place for 2023 already?

Do agree with Truth on the Divisional Boards for reserves - Cost of fuel is wild these days and for us our closest away day was against RGU at the weekend. Every other one was Newry, Bandbridge or Belfast. RGU would be same boat as us for the travelling tbf. Closer the teams are seem to be more likelihood of fielding
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Post by: Lloyd p on June 20, 2022, 01:00:20 PM
If clonduff and Loughinisland both win do clonduff not take 4th spot on head to head?
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Post by: Truth hurts on June 20, 2022, 01:38:32 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on June 20, 2022, 01:00:20 PM
If clonduff and Loughinisland both win do clonduff not take 4th spot on head to head?

That's right if RGU are beaten and Clonduff and Island win then Clonduff are up. Clonduff might just shade their game V Mayobridge as they have more at stake but I don't think they will be getting much favors from their neighbours.

Every game means something so it leaves for an exciting end to this first phase , Ballyolland host Warrenpoint in a must-win as If CPN win they go 4 points clear from them. We could start to see some more outliers after the weekend's fixtures.
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Post by: upandwin on June 20, 2022, 02:22:34 PM
Massive weekend of fixtures ahead. Loughinisland will dispatch Rostrevor easily IMO. Kilcoo will be aiming to be the only one of the 'big four' at the start of the year to beat RGU who have already beaten the bridge Clonduff and Burren. I think Ballyholland will beat Warrenpoint as the point are very short again this week. Carryduff will easily beat the Town and I have a sneaking feeling Bryansford will go and beat Burren this Friday as Burren seem to be trying their best to not show their hand in the league. They've dropped points to Rostrevor, RGU and Ballyholland already and I think Ford will make that another scalp taken. Unlike Kilcoo, Burren don't seem to have the stomach or hunger to win every week like the best teams do. Kilcoo want to win every game like their life depends on it, doesn't mean they'll always get the result but they never take a game lightly. Burren always struggle to get motivated for the less strong teams in the division, shown once again this year. That's the difference between Kilcoo and the rest...
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Post by: SticksandStones on June 20, 2022, 04:28:05 PM
Glenn Minors playing Aghaderg in a league final tonight, it seems the CB thought the best place for this game would be on a nice local pitch in Dromara
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Post by: Truth hurts on June 20, 2022, 04:38:49 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on June 20, 2022, 04:28:05 PM
Glenn Minors playing Aghaderg in a league final tonight, it seems the CB thought the best place for this game would be on a nice local pitch in Dromara

Div 4 league, Glenn need to play at a higher level at underage, they always win low levels and should be pushed up.
I would imagine the reason for Dromara is pitch availability. I am sure every senior team trains tonight but blame the county board as there is no way they would not have asked Banbridge, Annaclone, Drumgath etc ::) 
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Post by: charlieTully on June 20, 2022, 06:06:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 20, 2022, 04:38:49 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on June 20, 2022, 04:28:05 PM
Glenn Minors playing Aghaderg in a league final tonight, it seems the CB thought the best place for this game would be on a nice local pitch in Dromara

Div 4 league, Glenn need to play at a higher level at underage, they always win low levels and should be pushed up.
I would imagine the reason for Dromara is pitch availability. I am sure every senior team trains tonight but blame the county board as there is no way they would not have asked Banbridge, Annaclone, Drumgath etc ::)

The Bosco bridge final is at Tullylish. Able to accommodate due to having a second pitch. As you say senior training on most places.
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Post by: Truth hurts on June 21, 2022, 09:21:01 AM
A big win for Teconnaught u17 in division 3 league final last night versus Newry Shamrocks. Great to see
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Post by: manwithnoplan on June 21, 2022, 10:04:37 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 21, 2022, 09:21:01 AM
A big win for Teconnaught u17 in division 3 league final last night versus Newry Shamrocks. Great to see

Huge scoreline for Teconnaught, I see Shamrocks beat them previously in the league. Quite a turnaround there, fair play to them.
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Post by: Truth hurts on June 21, 2022, 01:53:55 PM
A shock in division 1 too with Bosco being overturned
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Post by: Targetman on June 21, 2022, 07:11:51 PM
Times are changing when the Bridge beating Bosco is a shock.
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Post by: Truth hurts on June 22, 2022, 08:47:03 AM
Quote from: Targetman on June 21, 2022, 07:11:51 PM
Times are changing when the Bridge beating Bosco is a shock.

They hammered them in the league and are the nest scorers in the league. Bosco were the form team coming into the final looking at results.
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Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 22, 2022, 05:27:52 PM
When do county board meet again?

I'd expect there might be a discussion on the management teams for next season's minor & senior footballers.

Would be novel to have them in place before championship time.
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Post by: SamFever on June 23, 2022, 07:51:59 AM
Quote from: upandwin on June 22, 2022, 04:30:58 PM
Division 1 relegation odds:

Rostrevor 1/500
Castlewellan 1/100
Ballyholland 4/9
Bryansford 4/6
Warrenpoint 11/10
Carryduff 2/1
Clonduff 4/1
Downpatrick 4/1
Loughinisland 10/1
Where are these odds from?
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Post by: Truth hurts on June 23, 2022, 09:00:25 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 22, 2022, 05:27:52 PM
When do county board meet again?

I'd expect there might be a discussion on the management teams for next season's minor & senior footballers.

Would be novel to have them in place before championship time.

There is a meeting tonight so I am sure it will be discussed.
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Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 23, 2022, 01:51:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 23, 2022, 09:00:25 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 22, 2022, 05:27:52 PM
When do county board meet again?

I'd expect there might be a discussion on the management teams for next season's minor & senior footballers.

Would be novel to have them in place before championship time.

There is a meeting tonight so I am sure it will be discussed.

Keep us updated as things unfold!

#intheknow
#wellconnected
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Post by: Truth hurts on June 24, 2022, 08:55:29 AM
No decision on the senior football management will be made to senior management to early August.
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Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 24, 2022, 09:25:18 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 24, 2022, 08:55:29 AM
No decision on the senior football management will be made to senior management to early August.

Bit disappointing but not surprising.

Minors?
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Post by: rosskarr on June 24, 2022, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 24, 2022, 09:25:18 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 24, 2022, 08:55:29 AM
No decision on the senior football management will be made to senior management to early August.

Bit disappointing but not surprising.

Minors?
Have they no shame to be staying on?A sh-t show set-up from start to finish.
As the weeks progress it'll all come out from the players as to how bad it was.Watch this space.
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Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 24, 2022, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 24, 2022, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 24, 2022, 09:25:18 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 24, 2022, 08:55:29 AM
No decision on the senior football management will be made to senior management to early August.

Bit disappointing but not surprising.

Minors?
Have they no shame to be staying on?A sh-t show set-up from start to finish.
As the weeks progress it'll all come out from the players as to how bad it was.Watch this space.

Who? Minors or seniors?
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Post by: Mourne Red on June 24, 2022, 11:18:47 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 24, 2022, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 24, 2022, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 24, 2022, 09:25:18 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 24, 2022, 08:55:29 AM
No decision on the senior football management will be made to senior management to early August.

Bit disappointing but not surprising.

Minors?
Have they no shame to be staying on?A sh-t show set-up from start to finish.
As the weeks progress it'll all come out from the players as to how bad it was.Watch this space.

Who? Minors or seniors?

Think he's talking about seniors.. Management Team should be told they're going or being kept now.. Antrim/Meath both got rid of managers and started looking for a new man already.


To me it looks like they're going to give them another year which I don't see how they deserve it based on results - but if they do give them the chop new manager won't be chosen until November knowing our CB
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Post by: Truth hurts on June 24, 2022, 11:20:20 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 24, 2022, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 24, 2022, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 24, 2022, 09:25:18 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 24, 2022, 08:55:29 AM
No decision on the senior football management will be made to senior management to early August.

Bit disappointing but not surprising.

Minors?
Have they no shame to be staying on?A sh-t show set-up from start to finish.
As the weeks progress it'll all come out from the players as to how bad it was.Watch this space.

Who? Minors or seniors?

No decision made on it either, we are going to wait in limbo like 2021. Everyone should be onto their club delegate to give out to them as although everyone will blame the county executive for this but every club had a voice last night and yet we are still no further on. 
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Post by: Truth hurts on June 24, 2022, 11:48:22 AM
Down gaa.tv is missing a trick tonight and should be streaming live updates from around the grounds from all the games, especially division 1. Patsy Russell and Peter McGrath junior could do it .
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Post by: Truth hurts on June 24, 2022, 11:48:51 AM
Quote from: FM on June 24, 2022, 11:46:21 AM
All the best to Armagh this weekend! Many of you may not like it, but they are a properly run county and we should aspire to follow in their footsteps! A team who plays attractive football, and let's hope they win it for Ulster!

:o :o
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Post by: SHEEDY on June 24, 2022, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: FM on June 24, 2022, 11:46:21 AM
All the best to Armagh this weekend! Many of you may not like it, but they are a properly run county and we should aspire to follow in their footsteps! A team who plays attractive football, and let's hope they win it for Ulster!
I wouldn't want Armagh to win a coin toss never mind an All Ireland  8)
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Post by: charlieTully on June 24, 2022, 04:59:11 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 24, 2022, 04:29:52 PM
Quote from: FM on June 24, 2022, 11:46:21 AM
All the best to Armagh this weekend! Many of you may not like it, but they are a properly run county and we should aspire to follow in their footsteps! A team who plays attractive football, and let's hope they win it for Ulster!
I wouldn't want Armagh to win a coin toss never mind an All Ireland  8)

Totally agree.
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Post by: Oglach on June 24, 2022, 05:16:32 PM
Mon Derry.
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Post by: charlieTully on June 24, 2022, 06:38:13 PM
Quote from: Oglach on June 24, 2022, 05:16:32 PM
Mon Derry.

No problem cheering on derry. Armagh never. Just never.
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Post by: Johnnysboys on June 24, 2022, 09:40:32 PM
A few surprise results tonight in division one. Have the wheels come off "no balls Burren" again?? 1 win in their last 5 games is not a good stat for a team aspiring to beat the All Ireland champions this year. We had a nice win - difficult place to play and conditions were horrendous. Thank god they were missing Loughran.
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Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 24, 2022, 10:08:13 PM
The bridge?
Two scores against their nearest neighbours?
Didn't score in the second half?
At home?
With the hottest coaching ticket in the county?

WTF???
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Post by: Mourne Red on June 24, 2022, 10:12:27 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 24, 2022, 10:08:13 PM
The bridge?
Two scores against their nearest neighbours?
Didn't score in the second half?
At home?
With the hottest coaching ticket in the county?

WTF???

Fixed.. not sure if it is head to head or what for league, wasn't anything out in the fixtures about placings when they broke down league spilt. But on website we're ahead on score difference
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Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 24, 2022, 10:16:12 PM
There is no way bridge lads would lie down to do Clonduff a favour!

That's conspiracy theory BS right there.
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Post by: upandwin on June 25, 2022, 01:04:55 AM
Serious flaw in the league structure the way it's panned out...Burren and Mayobridge downing tools because they've already got top 4 and can't be relegated. Burren don't care about losing games, they're most focused on trying to relegate the intermediate club down the road while the real top team in Down Dispatch another team tonight with a game that meant nothing in the grand scheme of things. Went to watch Point Ballyholland, poor quality and I'd expect both teams to be having a renewal in Div 2 in 2023. Scrappy game that was intriguing but Warrenpoint by far the better team. Bottom 8 split is going to be very close now with 4 teams effectively playing to avoid the last two drop places. Fancy Harps and Point to go down based off what I've seen tonight. Wouldn't surprise me if harps overturn this result in the reverse fixture, they always go well in moygannon. Loughinisland unlucky tonight not to get fourth
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Post by: Phoenix rising on June 25, 2022, 11:31:00 AM
Another expert - would it not be better to say the team everyone tipped to be gone by now, Bryansford, are playing to the top of their game week in week out - only for dropping last gasp points against clonduff and mayobridge would be in the top 4.....
For people to think poacher/clarke  or mccorry would down tools or would be allowed to down tools is ludicrous
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Post by: upandwin on June 25, 2022, 12:44:38 PM
Tell ya what if mayobridge scoring 1.1 in 60mins isn't downing tools then they must be absolutely dirt. Burren have won 1 of their last 5, getting beaten by RGU, Ford, drawing with Rostrevor all in that...giving a load of seconds and thirds players a run out for game time as they had all but guaranteed top 4 after 5/6 games. Fair play to the all the teams that are still in the mix that includes the Ford and point and Carryduff etc my point is that the structure of the league will make for an exciting finish in the bottom half but it's flawed. So Loughinisland miss out on H2H with 13pts a piece with Clonduff but could still be relegated. That would be hard to take for any team
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Post by: Gaelforce123 on June 25, 2022, 04:12:12 PM
Teams downing tools after 5/6 games 😂. Wild thing is that people actually believe this sort of thing would happen in a Div 1 club. Each club has managers under pressure to win games and will not down tools. Unfortunately was in Mayobridge last night in what was terrible conditions for both teams and a hot and heavy affair with alot going on off the ball and on the ball. Ref let alot go but did red card one of the Barrs in second half, harsh enough maybe. Wind was a huge factor, clonduff keeper made 3 maybe 4 big saves, Corey got injured with about 10 left but you can bet your house the both teams went toe to toe and bar Mayobridge wides and clonduff keeper saves it was an even game that Clonduff did better with in the terrible conditions. Burren have not been playing well. Defensive style of football not suiting them but look at the players they have out every week, full side available except for 2 notable injuries. Top 4 came down to a tight affair with Kilcoo running away with it but it was exciting for the top 4 and now the bottom 4 games will be the ones to watch for next few weeks
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Post by: Down Follower on June 25, 2022, 04:29:30 PM
It seems to be a very competitive league this year tbf bar rostrevor and castlewellan but even they are giving most of the other teams a run for their money.
Bryansford defo the big surprises and seem to have progressed a lot from last year.
Looks like the Bottom 8 will be a dog fight now with a few decent teams going to drop down to div 2.
Top 4 - hard to work out how it will go. Pressure basically off for them so almost back to pre season.
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Post by: urbangael on June 25, 2022, 10:28:29 PM
I wonder do the good people of Mayobridge feel they are getting value for money with Poacher and Clarke. Surely there are better in-house men in that club that would get better performances..
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Post by: Johnnysboys on June 25, 2022, 11:28:37 PM
Quote from: urbangael on June 25, 2022, 10:28:29 PM
I wonder do the good people of Mayobridge feel they are getting value for money with Poacher and Clarke. Surely there are better in-house men in that club that would get better performances..

They ain't the only club asking questions about management at present. Despite what upandwin thinks - Burren do mind losing games. They were missing a few lads last night who are on holidays/travelling but they won't like the fact they are 6 points off the lead already going into phase two. Rostrevor are asking questions about management too - performances are improving but results staying the same.
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Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 26, 2022, 08:49:15 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 25, 2022, 11:28:37 PM
Quote from: urbangael on June 25, 2022, 10:28:29 PM
I wonder do the good people of Mayobridge feel they are getting value for money with Poacher and Clarke. Surely there are better in-house men in that club that would get better performances..

They ain't the only club asking questions about management at present. Despite what upandwin thinks - Burren do mind losing games. They were missing a few lads last night who are on holidays/travelling but they won't like the fact they are 6 points off the lead already going into phase two. Rostrevor are asking questions about management too - performances are improving but results staying the same.

Are your club happy with the progress of the team since McAleenan left?
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Post by: Mourne Red on June 26, 2022, 11:19:30 AM
Quote from: upandwin on June 26, 2022, 11:00:05 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 26, 2022, 08:49:15 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 25, 2022, 11:28:37 PM
Quote from: urbangael on June 25, 2022, 10:28:29 PM
I wonder do the good people of Mayobridge feel they are getting value for money with Poacher and Clarke. Surely there are better in-house men in that club that would get better performances..

They ain't the only club asking questions about management at present. Despite what upandwin thinks - Burren do mind losing games. They were missing a few lads last night who are on holidays/travelling but they won't like the fact they are 6 points off the lead already going into phase two. Rostrevor are asking questions about management too - performances are improving but results staying the same.

Are your club happy with the progress of the team since McAleenan left?

Absolutely not. Results have been hit or miss but performances have been abysmal. Missing some key men since Niall left too but there should still be enough talent there to be competing with the best. League win was a massive achievement for the point tbf last year but we will be lucky to stay in D1 this year ans the injuries just keep piling up. Main diff for us is that we don't have the squad strength of Burrens and Kilcoos of this world. As good a starting 15 as most team with everyone fully fit but that rarely happens any team tbf.

Does the split happen this week then or is there a break for a week does anyone know?

I think there's a week or 2 break now (July break per usual) then run of the league games into championship if I'm not mistaken.. I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will jump in lol
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Post by: supersub on June 26, 2022, 12:17:07 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 25, 2022, 11:28:37 PM
Quote from: urbangael on June 25, 2022, 10:28:29 PM
I wonder do the good people of Mayobridge feel they are getting value for money with Poacher and Clarke. Surely there are better in-house men in that club that would get better performances..

They ain't the only club asking questions about management at present. Despite what upandwin thinks - Burren do mind losing games. They were missing a few lads last night who are on holidays/travelling but they won't like the fact they are 6 points off the lead already going into phase two. Rostrevor are asking questions about management too - performances are improving but results staying the same.

A very general, and incorrect statement.
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Post by: Lotto on June 26, 2022, 02:26:57 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 26, 2022, 12:17:07 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 25, 2022, 11:28:37 PM
Quote from: urbangael on June 25, 2022, 10:28:29 PM
I wonder do the good people of Mayobridge feel they are getting value for money with Poacher and Clarke. Surely there are better in-house men in that club that would get better performances..

They ain't the only club asking questions about management at present. Despite what upandwin thinks - Burren do mind losing games. They were missing a few lads last night who are on holidays/travelling but they won't like the fact they are 6 points off the lead already going into phase two. Rostrevor are asking questions about management too - performances are improving but results staying the same.

A very general, and incorrect statement.

Benny has been going from early December with them, it would hardly be surprising if Rostrevor weren't asking questions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 26, 2022, 05:02:17 PM
Quote from: Lotto on June 26, 2022, 02:26:57 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 26, 2022, 12:17:07 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 25, 2022, 11:28:37 PM
Quote from: urbangael on June 25, 2022, 10:28:29 PM
I wonder do the good people of Mayobridge feel they are getting value for money with Poacher and Clarke. Surely there are better in-house men in that club that would get better performances..

They ain't the only club asking questions about management at present. Despite what upandwin thinks - Burren do mind losing games. They were missing a few lads last night who are on holidays/travelling but they won't like the fact they are 6 points off the lead already going into phase two. Rostrevor are asking questions about management too - performances are improving but results staying the same.

A very general, and incorrect statement.

Benny has been going from early December with them, it would hardly be surprising if Rostrevor weren't asking questions.
Do you mean it would hardly be surprising if Rostrevor WERE asking questions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 26, 2022, 07:46:13 PM
Why has no results for Div 1 been posted on Down gaa website and all previous results been taken down, is it a glitch ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 26, 2022, 08:54:02 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on June 26, 2022, 07:46:13 PM
Why has no results for Div 1 been posted on Down gaa website and all previous results been taken down, is it a glitch ?

It's a cover up!
All a big conspiracy to get 4 south down teams in the top 4 & to relegate 4 east down teams.

Couldn't watch them south down county board feckers!!

#paranoia
#whoshotjr
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Post by: Cuan12 on June 26, 2022, 10:50:49 PM
I hope your not being sarcastic, it was a civil question from some one who follows football, div 2,3and 4 results were up and previous weeks results could be looked at as well as league positions, so I will ask again in an attempt to get a civil answer , why were the div 1 results not available and all the previous results taken down- is it a glitch ?
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Post by: Johnnysboys on June 26, 2022, 11:48:29 PM
]

Are your club happy with the progress of the team since McAleenan left?
[/quote]

Absolutely not.. I do know that Mark Poland is excellent at what he does, very articulate and you can see this man has played consistently well at the highest level - 2 all Ireland finals etc. I also know the players hang on his every word and listen to him intently. But that's as good as our management ticket gets.

On another note - I hope thon eye gouger from todays game gets the maximum sentence possible and that it's a stark warning to those at club level in our county who engage in the same dark arts.
Winning/losing a game is one thing - but ruining some lads life by damaging his sight has no place in our sport.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 08:46:36 AM
Quote from: upandwin on June 25, 2022, 01:04:55 AM
Serious flaw in the league structure the way it's panned out...Burren and Mayobridge downing tools because they've already got top 4 and can't be relegated. Burren don't care about losing games, they're most focused on trying to relegate the intermediate club down the road while the real top team in Down Dispatch another team tonight with a game that meant nothing in the grand scheme of things. Went to watch Point Ballyholland, poor quality and I'd expect both teams to be having a renewal in Div 2 in 2023. Scrappy game that was intriguing but Warrenpoint by far the better team. Bottom 8 split is going to be very close now with 4 teams effectively playing to avoid the last two drop places. Fancy Harps and Point to go down based off what I've seen tonight. Wouldn't surprise me if harps overturn this result in the reverse fixture, they always go well in moygannon. Loughinisland unlucky tonight not to get fourth

The rules were set out at the beginning of the year, these were agreed by ALL clubs so Burren and Mayobridge won enough games to be safe so they can do what they like.

We all knew it would be like this so the race to get to the most points was vital. The top 4 will be virtually friendly games to the final but all clubs knew this

The Harps looked doomed now as well but another big club will go down but they should go straight up next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on June 27, 2022, 09:43:19 AM
Crazy that a team that gets relegated could end up with more points than a team in the top 4. Race to stay up wide open with only 2 points between 5th and 9th.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 10:00:51 AM
Quote from: Lloyd p on June 27, 2022, 09:43:19 AM
Crazy that a team that gets relegated could end up with more points than a team in the top 4. Race to stay up wide open with only 2 points between 5th and 9th.

Crazy indeed but this was voted in by ALL the clubs, no point blaming anyone but CLUBS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on June 27, 2022, 10:13:15 AM
Don't think anyone is blaming, sure we'd be yapping if the league was boring and town and Rostrevor were down already like most years with two down. Wouldn't write Ballyholland off just yet they'll get a couple of scalps in the run in. I'd fancy them to beat Warrenpoint Ford castlewellan and Rostrevor which would put them on 16pts. Might be enough to stay up! Joe Murphy a big loss for them now tho through injury. I'll stick to my guns and say harps and point to go down. Going to be scrappy few weeks ahead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 27, 2022, 10:30:25 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 26, 2022, 11:48:29 PM
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Are your club happy with the progress of the team since McAleenan left?

Absolutely not.. I do know that Mark Poland is excellent at what he does, very articulate and you can see this man has played consistently well at the highest level - 2 all Ireland finals etc. I also know the players hang on his every word and listen to him intently. But that's as good as our management ticket gets.

On another note - I hope thon eye gouger from todays game gets the maximum sentence possible and that it's a stark warning to those at club level in our county who engage in the same dark arts.
Winning/losing a game is one thing - but ruining some lads life by damaging his sight has no place in our sport.
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absolutely disgusting, what sanction will/could he get?   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 10:39:06 AM
The lad made a mistake, I am sure he will learn. Yes ban him but the outrage needs to be curtailed. There are worse things that have happened in pitches in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 27, 2022, 10:44:42 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on June 26, 2022, 07:46:13 PM
Why has no results for Div 1 been posted on Down gaa website and all previous results been taken down, is it a glitch ?

Obviously something to do with the split. New tables/competitions need devised - takes a bit of time. Up now as 1a and 1b
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 27, 2022, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 10:39:06 AM
The lad made a mistake, I am sure he will learn. Yes ban him but the outrage needs to be curtailed. There are worse things that have happened in pitches in Down.

Made a mistake?? Are you serious? Had he hit someone full on, headlocked a man or dozed into  4/5 men that I cud see into - but he actually went for another persons sight. What part of red mist or heat of the moment do u think it's ok to attack one of the main senses we have. The outrage needs to be greater imo. People need to realise that you simply can't go onto a field of play and do what u want because you are angry/frustrated and then we cover it off with ah sure he made a mistake. He will probably get a 1-3 match ban and that will be that. GAA needs to make a statement here the same way our county board did a few years ago when the Clonduff lad hit the referee. No excuses - 1 year ban. No appeals - nothing..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
The county board did nothing about eye-gouging in this county, he will get a ban but he doesn't deserve to be ostracized from our games. We are a family organization. I am sure he is feeling low and has said sorry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on June 27, 2022, 11:48:33 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 10:00:51 AM
Quote from: Lloyd p on June 27, 2022, 09:43:19 AM
Crazy that a team that gets relegated could end up with more points than a team in the top 4. Race to stay up wide open with only 2 points between 5th and 9th.

Crazy indeed but this was voted in by ALL the clubs, no point blaming anyone but CLUBS

Sorry can you point out where I was blaming anyone here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 27, 2022, 11:49:34 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
The county board did nothing about eye-gouging in this county, he will get a ban but he doesn't deserve to be ostracized from our games. We are a family organization. I am sure he is feeling low and has said sorry.

He needs an example made of him. Gouging is commonplace in our game and this is the high profile case needed to put it to an end.

If your family organisation is one which will ignore or play down someone yanking at another family member's eyeball, then I don't want to be involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 27, 2022, 11:49:34 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
The county board did nothing about eye-gouging in this county, he will get a ban but he doesn't deserve to be ostracized from our games. We are a family organization. I am sure he is feeling low and has said sorry.

He needs an example made of him. Gouging is commonplace in our game and this is the high profile case needed to put it to an end.

If your family organisation is one which will ignore or play down someone yanking at another family member's eyeball, then I don't want to be involved.

I am saying he needs a ban but he is young and we all make mistakes. Sure you defended your club and took them to croke park to appeal after the brawl in Kilcoo v RGU. I am sure you "played down" that incident to be powers that be. People in glass houses and all that  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 27, 2022, 12:17:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 27, 2022, 11:49:34 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
The county board did nothing about eye-gouging in this county, he will get a ban but he doesn't deserve to be ostracized from our games. We are a family organization. I am sure he is feeling low and has said sorry.

He needs an example made of him. Gouging is commonplace in our game and this is the high profile case needed to put it to an end.

If your family organisation is one which will ignore or play down someone yanking at another family member's eyeball, then I don't want to be involved.

I am saying he needs a ban but he is young and we all make mistakes. Sure you defended your club and took them to croke park to appeal after the brawl in Kilcoo v RGU. I am sure you "played down" that incident to be powers that be. People in glass houses and all that  :)

No glass houses here Truth.

We were heavily punished for those events. But both the original sanctions that were imposed, and those that were then placed by the hearings committee, were ludicrously severe and as such were always going to be challenged.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 01:53:11 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 27, 2022, 12:17:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 27, 2022, 11:49:34 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
The county board did nothing about eye-gouging in this county, he will get a ban but he doesn't deserve to be ostracized from our games. We are a family organization. I am sure he is feeling low and has said sorry.

He needs an example made of him. Gouging is commonplace in our game and this is the high profile case needed to put it to an end.

If your family organisation is one which will ignore or play down someone yanking at another family member's eyeball, then I don't want to be involved.

I am saying he needs a ban but he is young and we all make mistakes. Sure you defended your club and took them to croke park to appeal after the brawl in Kilcoo v RGU. I am sure you "played down" that incident to be powers that be. People in glass houses and all that  :)

No glass houses here Truth.

We were heavily punished for those events. But both the original sanctions that were imposed, and those that were then placed by the hearings committee, were ludicrously severe and as such were always going to be challenged.

I don't believe he intended to gouge him
A spur of the moment action that i am sure him and his family are disappointed in today
But the reaction on social media from some people is laughable especially from people whose clubs done worse. Cut the lad some slack
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 01:57:21 PM
If half the Down people who went to Croke park yesterday come to the first league game next year then we will have a great crowd.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 27, 2022, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 01:53:11 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 27, 2022, 12:17:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 27, 2022, 11:49:34 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
The county board did nothing about eye-gouging in this county, he will get a ban but he doesn't deserve to be ostracized from our games. We are a family organization. I am sure he is feeling low and has said sorry.

He needs an example made of him. Gouging is commonplace in our game and this is the high profile case needed to put it to an end.

If your family organisation is one which will ignore or play down someone yanking at another family member's eyeball, then I don't want to be involved.

I am saying he needs a ban but he is young and we all make mistakes. Sure you defended your club and took them to croke park to appeal after the brawl in Kilcoo v RGU. I am sure you "played down" that incident to be powers that be. People in glass houses and all that  :)

No glass houses here Truth.

We were heavily punished for those events. But both the original sanctions that were imposed, and those that were then placed by the hearings committee, were ludicrously severe and as such were always going to be challenged.

I don't believe he intended to gouge him
A spur of the moment action that i am sure him and his family are disappointed in today
But the reaction on social media from some people is laughable especially from people whose clubs done worse. Cut the lad some slack

You don't believe he intended to gouge him?

Was it the bit when he moved his hand up Comer's face, or the bit when after arriving at the eyes, he curled his grip, that has helped you arrive at this conclusion?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 02:17:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2022, 02:12:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 27, 2022, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 01:53:11 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 27, 2022, 12:17:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 27, 2022, 11:49:34 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
The county board did nothing about eye-gouging in this county, he will get a ban but he doesn't deserve to be ostracized from our games. We are a family organization. I am sure he is feeling low and has said sorry.

He needs an example made of him. Gouging is commonplace in our game and this is the high profile case needed to put it to an end.

If your family organisation is one which will ignore or play down someone yanking at another family member's eyeball, then I don't want to be involved.

I am saying he needs a ban but he is young and we all make mistakes. Sure you defended your club and took them to croke park to appeal after the brawl in Kilcoo v RGU. I am sure you "played down" that incident to be powers that be. People in glass houses and all that  :)



No glass houses here Truth.

We were heavily punished for those events. But both the original sanctions that were imposed, and those that were then placed by the hearings committee, were ludicrously severe and as such were always going to be challenged.

I don't believe he intended to gouge him
A spur of the moment action that i am sure him and his family are disappointed in today
But the reaction on social media from some people is laughable especially from people whose clubs done worse. Cut the lad some slack

You don't believe he intended to gouge him?

Was it the bit when he moved his hand up Comer's face, or the bit when after arriving at the eyes, he curled his grip, that has helped you arrive at this conclusion?

The lad is 20, he'll learn from it and not do it again - Ban for the rest of the year from the sport or 6 game inter-county ban miss most of the league next year. Outcry over it has been overboard, people asking for his place of work trying to get him sacked (not knowing he's probably a student)

exactly, cut him some slack, we have seen a lot worse things happen on the football field, it wasn't nice but the outcry is mental towards a young player. I am sure his teammates in Clann Eireann will rally around him as I am sure he feels like crap today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on June 27, 2022, 03:24:53 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 02:17:23 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2022, 02:12:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 27, 2022, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 01:53:11 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 27, 2022, 12:17:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 27, 2022, 11:49:34 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
The county board did nothing about eye-gouging in this county, he will get a ban but he doesn't deserve to be ostracized from our games. We are a family organization. I am sure he is feeling low and has said sorry.

He needs an example made of him. Gouging is commonplace in our game and this is the high profile case needed to put it to an end.

If your family organisation is one which will ignore or play down someone yanking at another family member's eyeball, then I don't want to be involved.

I am saying he needs a ban but he is young and we all make mistakes. Sure you defended your club and took them to croke park to appeal after the brawl in Kilcoo v RGU. I am sure you "played down" that incident to be powers that be. People in glass houses and all that  :)



No glass houses here Truth.

We were heavily punished for those events. But both the original sanctions that were imposed, and those that were then placed by the hearings committee, were ludicrously severe and as such were always going to be challenged.

I don't believe he intended to gouge him
A spur of the moment action that i am sure him and his family are disappointed in today
But the reaction on social media from some people is laughable especially from people whose clubs done worse. Cut the lad some slack

You don't believe he intended to gouge him?

Was it the bit when he moved his hand up Comer's face, or the bit when after arriving at the eyes, he curled his grip, that has helped you arrive at this conclusion?

The lad is 20, he'll learn from it and not do it again - Ban for the rest of the year from the sport or 6 game inter-county ban miss most of the league next year. Outcry over it has been overboard, people asking for his place of work trying to get him sacked (not knowing he's probably a student)

exactly, cut him some slack, we have seen a lot worse things happen on the football field, it wasn't nice but the outcry is mental towards a young player. I am sure his teammates in Clann Eireann will rally around him as I am sure he feels like crap today.

I'd like to think he feels like crap. No call for him even being there in the first place, never mind acting the big lad with a fella who would likely tie him in knots if they were to really go at it. Criticism is justified for things like this. He should have been in the stand, not charging in to escalate the situation. Fair play to Kelly for not hitting him a slap, showed great temperament (which he was then punished for).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on June 27, 2022, 06:08:16 PM
What Tiernan Kelly done was disgraceful and he will rightly face a lengthy ban. It was wrong, stupid and indefensible so he'll have to take what comes, learn from it and ensure it never happens again. Funny that there wasnt the same outrage in Down when it was common enough practice a few years ago! Cowardly act then and a cowardly act now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 27, 2022, 06:42:23 PM
 Conor Laverty in the frame for the Meath Seniors job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 27, 2022, 06:48:19 PM
Hard not to be envious of our noisy neighbours. Are things going to change for us anytime soon?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 27, 2022, 09:11:21 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 27, 2022, 06:42:23 PM
Conor Laverty in the frame for the Meath Seniors job.

I highly doubt this..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on June 27, 2022, 09:31:06 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 01:57:21 PM
If half the Down people who went to Croke park yesterday come to the first league game next year then we will have a great crowd.
If ever a post backed up a posters name.

Truth hurts when you see  Down men and women in Croke Park wearing Mc Keever  Jerseys-no problem supporting our neighbours, but wearing their colours is beyond belief.

Band waggoners.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on June 27, 2022, 09:45:33 PM
Quote from: MK on June 27, 2022, 09:31:06 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 27, 2022, 01:57:21 PM
If half the Down people who went to Croke park yesterday come to the first league game next year then we will have a great crowd.
If ever a post backed up a posters name.

Truth hurts when you see  Down men and women in Croke Park wearing Mc Keever  Jerseys-no problem supporting our neighbours, but wearing their colours is beyond belief.

Band waggoners.

Surely didn't happen?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 27, 2022, 10:39:57 PM
Mooney done an interview with Parkinson on his podcast.. Seen Conan Doherty said it was worth a listen. Will share the link here for those interested https://twitter.com/conandoherty/status/1541535155575312385?s=21&t=PZmVaAluLDeVR8AnDzNUNQ
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 27, 2022, 11:21:54 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2022, 10:39:57 PM
Mooney done an interview with Parkinson on his podcast.. Seen Conan Doherty said it was worth a listen. Will share the link here for those interested https://twitter.com/conandoherty/status/1541535155575312385?s=21&t=PZmVaAluLDeVR8AnDzNUNQ

I'd be surprised if McCartan gets kept on after listening to that interview, Felt Mooney bit his tongue a bit and Parkinson pushed him for more but obviously feared of offending anyone. Good interview but shows we are in a terrible state
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 28, 2022, 08:19:22 AM
Which part was good about it?
The bit where he was calling James on the frdiay looking to see could they drink at a training camp a few weeks before the championship or the sweepstake on the Saturday morning to get the buzz for drinking before the National?
Training was to easy yet he pulled his calf at training.
The easiest thing to do would have been to walk away after the league he says? Why would that be easy? He wasn't conditioned enough? He says that training wasn't hard enough so boys had to do their own and risk injures.
Jesus the mind baffles
Absolute shocking interview
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 28, 2022, 08:50:10 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 28, 2022, 08:19:22 AM
Which part was good about it?
The bit where he was calling James on the frdiay looking to see could they drink at a training camp a few weeks before the championship or the sweepstake on the Saturday morning to get the buzz for drinking before the National?
Training was to easy yet he pulled his calf at training.
The easiest thing to do would have been to walk away after the league he says? Why would that be easy? He wasn't conditioned enough? He says that training wasn't hard enough so boys had to do their own and risk injures.
Jesus the mind baffles
Absolute shocking interview

Good as in it cleared up a lot of speculation around what happened around the weekend and also shines a definite light on what we all know is that we need a new manager in charge. The point about training was that they didn't have the conditioning and hard training behind them to avoid muscle injuries like that which you will pick up if you've not got the gym work behind you and if a physio is giving a tougher session for players recovering from injury than the coaches are for those who are fit then that's ridiculous.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 28, 2022, 09:15:07 AM
It shows the mentality of the leadership group within Down. This man was captain and supposed to be leading us into battle but because James never returned a call he thinks he can lead a charge into the beer a few weeks before the championship. If you feel you are not fit, do extra sessions as every player is different.

I hope James stays on and continues to weed out this type of attitude, It was a baffling interview and I bet Parkinson thought all his Christmases came at once.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on June 28, 2022, 09:26:54 AM
The more you hear the more  correct you realise Eugene was.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 28, 2022, 09:30:29 AM
Imagine Kilcoo had a training camp planned and Conor Laverty (who doesn't drink) torturing Mickey Moran on the Friday to see could they go drinking the Saturday
They were going on a training weekend to get ready for a battle against Monaghan 3 weeks later and players wanted the drinking sorted on the Friday
Eugene Brannigan is 100% right
Time to weed out the rest
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 28, 2022, 09:52:47 AM
The only way we are going to go further is to introduce a new culture with our players and players like Caolan etc cant be part of it.
If we go to division 4 then so be it and the younger lads learn their corn and come through with a new culture.
I have listened to that grand national story a few times now and it gets worse every time  ;D The captain of the team rings a manager on a Friday before a training weekend prior to a championship game to see if they need to take the dancing shoes.

You can blame the county executive, the county board etc but the players need to examine their own conscience. As Peter McGrath junior said on last week's podcast, the Rostrevor players are now starting to question themselves after years of blaming managers and boys throwing the dummies out. Now they are realizing what it takes to be a senior footballer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 28, 2022, 10:57:08 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on June 24, 2022, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 24, 2022, 09:25:18 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 24, 2022, 08:55:29 AM
No decision on the senior football management will be made to senior management to early August.

Bit disappointing but not surprising.

Minors?
Have they no shame to be staying on?A sh-t show set-up from start to finish.
As the weeks progress it'll all come out from the players as to how bad it was.Watch this space.
Mooney has given his view on this season(might be difficult to believe it all  though).Others will follow...Management should do the decent thing and stop the rot that has developed even before the current set-up came on board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on June 28, 2022, 11:13:22 AM
If this runs much longer then it'll be into the farcical situation that happened last year where a manager was appointed too late.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on June 28, 2022, 11:19:50 AM
He hasn't given his view on the season
Was it the managements fault when he was through 1v1 in the last minute against Meath to win it and fisted onto the crossbar
3 points up against Offaly with 2 minutes to go
1-1 v Galway after 15 minutes and playing into a Gael force breeze and he gives the ball away Galway score a goal
Is that the managers fault?

Agree the County Board need to make a decision asap
Does it have to wait until the next monthly county board meeting?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 28, 2022, 11:20:06 AM
After listening to that, what manager would come in anyway?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 28, 2022, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2022, 10:39:57 PM
Mooney done an interview with Parkinson on his podcast.. Seen Conan Doherty said it was worth a listen. Will share the link here for those interested https://twitter.com/conandoherty/status/1541535155575312385?s=21&t=PZmVaAluLDeVR8AnDzNUNQ
Can you listen to this for free or do you have to become "a patron " @ £5.00 per month ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 28, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 28, 2022, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2022, 10:39:57 PM
Mooney done an interview with Parkinson on his podcast.. Seen Conan Doherty said it was worth a listen. Will share the link here for those interested https://twitter.com/conandoherty/status/1541535155575312385?s=21&t=PZmVaAluLDeVR8AnDzNUNQ
Can you listen to this for free or do you have to become "a patron " @ £5.00 per month ?

You'd need paid to listen to Parkinson!
💩
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 28, 2022, 04:13:49 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 28, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 28, 2022, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2022, 10:39:57 PM
Mooney done an interview with Parkinson on his podcast.. Seen Conan Doherty said it was worth a listen. Will share the link here for those interested https://twitter.com/conandoherty/status/1541535155575312385?s=21&t=PZmVaAluLDeVR8AnDzNUNQ
Can you listen to this for free or do you have to become "a patron " @ £5.00 per month ?

You'd need paid to listen to Parkinson!
💩
I want to listen to what Mooney has to say.  Do you know the answer to my question?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 28, 2022, 04:28:46 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 28, 2022, 04:13:49 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 28, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 28, 2022, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2022, 10:39:57 PM
Mooney done an interview with Parkinson on his podcast.. Seen Conan Doherty said it was worth a listen. Will share the link here for those interested https://twitter.com/conandoherty/status/1541535155575312385?s=21&t=PZmVaAluLDeVR8AnDzNUNQ
Can you listen to this for free or do you have to become "a patron " @ £5.00 per month ?

You'd need paid to listen to Parkinson!
💩
I want to listen to what Mooney has to say.  Do you know the answer to my question?

Need to pay unfortunately - I used to listen to his Podcast on Joe was decent enough, only thing he done that annoyed me was talk about his All-Ireland Minor with Laois any chance he could get 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 28, 2022, 04:45:33 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 28, 2022, 04:28:46 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 28, 2022, 04:13:49 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 28, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 28, 2022, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2022, 10:39:57 PM
Mooney done an interview with Parkinson on his podcast.. Seen Conan Doherty said it was worth a listen. Will share the link here for those interested https://twitter.com/conandoherty/status/1541535155575312385?s=21&t=PZmVaAluLDeVR8AnDzNUNQ
Can you listen to this for free or do you have to become "a patron " @ £5.00 per month ?

You'd need paid to listen to Parkinson!
💩
I want to listen to what Mooney has to say.  Do you know the answer to my question?

Need to pay unfortunately - I used to listen to his Podcast on Joe was decent enough, only thing he done that annoyed me was talk about his All-Ireland Minor with Laois any chance he could get

I listened to him on the Joe pod too.
He had good guests who were worth listening to even though Parky & his mate from Derry are a pair of head melters.
I wouldn't pay to listen to him though & honestly Darren O'Sullivan is much better now as his replacement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 28, 2022, 07:11:20 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 28, 2022, 04:28:46 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 28, 2022, 04:13:49 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 28, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 28, 2022, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2022, 10:39:57 PM
Mooney done an interview with Parkinson on his podcast.. Seen Conan Doherty said it was worth a listen. Will share the link here for those interested https://twitter.com/conandoherty/status/1541535155575312385?s=21&t=PZmVaAluLDeVR8AnDzNUNQ
Can you listen to this for free or do you have to become "a patron " @ £5.00 per month ?

You'd need paid to listen to Parkinson!
💩
I want to listen to what Mooney has to say.  Do you know the answer to my question?

Need to pay unfortunately - I used to listen to his Podcast on Joe was decent enough, only thing he done that annoyed me was talk about his All-Ireland Minor with Laois any chance he could get
Cheers MR
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 28, 2022, 07:16:33 PM
After listening to that interview we're in an worse place than first thought. Mooney saying the set up was a shambles all year from communication to the players, to a lack of s+c programs, to training being very poor.
Players obviously are to blame as well for what looks like a terrible attitude and lack of buy in to the management.

If Mooney is speaking for the majority of the squad it's hard to see how the management can go back next year and expect things to be any different.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 28, 2022, 07:27:44 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 28, 2022, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2022, 10:39:57 PM
Mooney done an interview with Parkinson on his podcast.. Seen Conan Doherty said it was worth a listen. Will share the link here for those interested https://twitter.com/conandoherty/status/1541535155575312385?s=21&t=PZmVaAluLDeVR8AnDzNUNQ
Can you listen to this for free or do you have to become "a patron " @ £5.00 per month ?
as usual in these cases there's a free version doing the rounds on what's app  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on June 28, 2022, 07:30:52 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 09, 2022, 08:21:00 AM
Quote from: ck on June 08, 2022, 11:58:16 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 08, 2022, 10:22:32 PM
Is it not the right thing to do to keep him involved?? Who else is going to take the role or indeed do any better? Take the current u20 setup in with him this year and it's a smooth transition next year for Laverty to take the post.

That would be a smart move. Laverty, whilst brilliant in his own right could learn from James for a year.
Learn what exactly?The rot has set in with the current Management and bringing others in won't improve this.
Mooney's interview versus Forker's podcast one.Chalk and Cheese.I had aired my views with our County Delegate earlier in the month and he said at the weekend there was similar chat at last Thursday's CB Meeting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on June 28, 2022, 10:05:20 PM
It's hard to ignore the sentiment from Mooney. The entire set up sounds like a shambles and it's pretty clear that's why he and others walked.
It's hard to justify keeping James if this is how the players feel. Players should always be consulted as part of any process IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on June 28, 2022, 10:13:20 PM
See burren seconds dumped out in the first round of premier reserves championship tonight having only scored 3 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 28, 2022, 10:30:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 28, 2022, 09:52:47 AM
The only way we are going to go further is to introduce a new culture with our players and players like Caolan etc cant be part of it.
If we go to division 4 then so be it and the younger lads learn their corn and come through with a new culture.
I have listened to that grand national story a few times now and it gets worse every time  ;D The captain of the team rings a manager on a Friday before a training weekend prior to a championship game to see if they need to take the dancing shoes.

You can blame the county executive, the county board etc but the players need to examine their own conscience. As Peter McGrath junior said on last week's podcast, the Rostrevor players are now starting to question themselves after years of blaming managers and boys throwing the dummies out. Now they are realizing what it takes to be a senior footballer.

What has the Down discussion got to do with Rostrevor? Don't assume everything you read, watch and hear is true either. No harm to you but 'years of blaming managers' is firstly not what he said and secondly not true. Make sure you have the full picture if you're going to start opening that can of worms. Pretty easy for things to become 'true' just because they are said a few times. So this one needs parked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 28, 2022, 10:39:55 PM
Quote from: PTC on June 28, 2022, 10:13:20 PM
See burren seconds dumped out in the first round of premier reserves championship tonight having only scored 3 points.

Certainties

Death
Taxes
Burren get beat by Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 29, 2022, 09:38:47 AM
Has anyone a copy of the teams from the match last night, were both teams strong?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownbutnotOut on June 29, 2022, 02:47:57 PM
Séamus McEnaney has called time on his second spell as Monaghan senior football manager.

Would he be a option?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on June 29, 2022, 02:56:38 PM
Quote from: DownbutnotOut on June 29, 2022, 02:47:57 PM
Séamus McEnaney has called time on his second spell as Monaghan senior football manager.

Would he be a option?

Definitely not!  Have I missed something or has James McCartan vacated the post of Down Manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on June 29, 2022, 03:01:15 PM
Quote from: urbangael on June 29, 2022, 02:56:38 PM
Quote from: DownbutnotOut on June 29, 2022, 02:47:57 PM
Séamus McEnaney has called time on his second spell as Monaghan senior football manager.

Would he be a option?

Definitely not!  Have I missed something or has James McCartan vacated the post of Down Manager

You may have missed something, perhaps the season just completed by the Down footballers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 29, 2022, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: DownbutnotOut on June 29, 2022, 02:47:57 PM
Séamus McEnaney has called time on his second spell as Monaghan senior football manager.

Would he be a option?

For the vacant minor job?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 29, 2022, 03:47:45 PM
Seriously though, that's Mayo, Meath, Monaghan, and Antrim vacant. We need to rubber-stamp the appointment for next season or get moving on a replacement asap . We cannot be waiting to August again. The management committee and especially the selection committee should have learned from their mistakes that they waited too long. Call a meeting ASAP.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 30, 2022, 12:51:56 PM
For tomorrow night's games, I think that Loughinialnd v Ballyholland should be easy enough for the Island and this will put the Harps in major trouble. They cannot buy a win at present. Rgu v Warrenpoint will be the closest game in the division and whoever loses will be panicking.
If you are neutral and are thinking of going to any games then forget it as I am sure they will be friendlies with a organized ref. I don't blame them as they got enough points to get into that position and now they can prepare better for the championship.
Annaclone, Liatrom, the Kingdom and St Johns need to start getting a few wins as they are in danger of being cut off the main group.
The Clone might get a kick with their new manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 30, 2022, 01:40:42 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 30, 2022, 12:51:56 PM
For tomorrow night's games, I think that Loughinialnd v Ballyholland should be easy enough for the Island and this will put the Harps in major trouble. They cannot buy a win at present. Rgu v Warrenpoint will be the closest game in the division and whoever loses will be panicking.
If you are neutral and are thinking of going to any games then forget it as I am sure they will be friendlies with a organized ref. I don't blame them as they got enough points to get into that position and now they can prepare better for the championship.
Annaclone, Liatrom, the Kingdom and St Johns need to start getting a few wins as they are in danger of being cut off the main group.
The Clone might get a kick with their new manager

New manager?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 01, 2022, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 30, 2022, 01:40:42 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 30, 2022, 12:51:56 PM
For tomorrow night's games, I think that Loughinialnd v Ballyholland should be easy enough for the Island and this will put the Harps in major trouble. They cannot buy a win at present. Rgu v Warrenpoint will be the closest game in the division and whoever loses will be panicking.
If you are neutral and are thinking of going to any games then forget it as I am sure they will be friendlies with a organized ref. I don't blame them as they got enough points to get into that position and now they can prepare better for the championship.
Annaclone, Liatrom, the Kingdom and St Johns need to start getting a few wins as they are in danger of being cut off the main group.
The Clone might get a kick with their new manager

New manager?

Justin Lynch has returned for the second coming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 01, 2022, 08:38:29 PM
f**k that's some Hammering Bryansford give The Town there tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on July 01, 2022, 09:02:25 PM
I see teams in division 1 leagues have started at zero points again.. is that a mistake?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 01, 2022, 09:09:42 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on July 01, 2022, 09:02:25 PM
I see teams in division 1 leagues have started at zero points again.. is that a mistake?

Yeh it's a mistake on the website.. Well that's what we were told anyways, wouldn't be fair to be relegated after finishing 5th and losing out on top 4 on H2H
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: African Sunset on July 01, 2022, 09:38:05 PM
I suppose when you go nearly thirty years without a provincial title, it's hardly surprising lads don't feel inspired to play for the county. The hunger just isn't there and lads are departing the county scene a bit too prematurely. There also appears to be a disconnect between club scene and the county these days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 02, 2022, 03:00:12 PM
Disconnect between clubs and county executive can be put down to the lack of foresight by the current county chairman, the secretary and the county executive.
When the executive decided not to ratify Jim McCorry when the clubs voted to keep him it proved what we the clubs had to work with which at that time can only be described as incompetent.
Surely Sean og should know where we are going wrong, he has been a long time in the job, I suppose it doesn't help when our current chairman is anything but competent, chairman is good at spinning a yarn but that's about it.
We, as a county are at an all time low.
Caolan Mooney was restrained in his recent comments, young players in this county used to dream about playing for Down, not anymore!!.
Suggestions- appoint management teams ( minor and senior)for a minimum of three year term, similiar , to Kerry every senior player should have the opportunity to play senior football- this will involve setting up regional teams, lastly no more back door in the senior championship , straight knock out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 02, 2022, 07:02:46 PM
That's the same attitude Derry had for years, with all too many clubs telling lads to play for their clubs and not the county as they crap. Same men now telling all how they bck Derry now, were the same pricks telling their club players not to play for them. Down need all the best players in the county available first, but his interview and Eugene B, says the players attitude is they can't be bothered to put in the effort to be a top class inter County team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on July 02, 2022, 08:45:52 PM
You would hope seeing the likes of Tyrone derry armagh etc doing well. Packed out venues. The buzz around them counties would spur players on to want a taste of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 04, 2022, 09:25:48 AM
Name the top 15 intercounty standard players playing week in week out for their clubs at a consistent high level between the ages of 21-25....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 04, 2022, 01:45:21 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 04, 2022, 09:25:48 AM
Name the top 15 intercounty standard players playing week in week out for their clubs at a consistent high level between the ages of 21-25....
What a daft post but go ahead you name 15 first.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on July 04, 2022, 03:43:38 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 04, 2022, 09:25:48 AM
Name the top 15 intercounty standard players playing week in week out for their clubs at a consistent high level between the ages of 21-25....
What do you consider this to be?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 04, 2022, 09:49:09 PM
Still only one top team in Down.

They do what they need to do.

🏁
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on July 04, 2022, 09:54:12 PM
Heard there was a few red cards dished out in Kilcoo tonight.. Any reports folks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on July 04, 2022, 10:19:34 PM
Quote from: urbangael on July 04, 2022, 09:54:12 PM
Heard there was a few red cards dished out in Kilcoo tonight.. Any reports folks?
Heard it ended up 13 (Kilcoo) v 12 (Burren)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on July 04, 2022, 10:27:36 PM
Ban needed for young Johnson after that tonight. Cowardly act. Do that on the street and your doing time. Completely uncalled for.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 04, 2022, 10:48:48 PM
Quote from: mourneman9194 on July 04, 2022, 10:27:36 PM
Ban needed for young Johnson after that tonight. Cowardly act. Do that on the street and your doing time. Completely uncalled for.

Care to elaborate on what happened?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on July 04, 2022, 11:00:31 PM
3 burren men and 2 kilcoo men seen red. I seen Young Johnson being grabbed by throat when introduced in second half. I never seen what he did but I am told a punch was dished ou
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 05, 2022, 09:50:49 AM
Down football will never improve with that crap going on last night. A really bad tempered game with a nasty element throughout. The punch could be heard throughout the ground and the rows after were disgusting. This needs to be eradicated from our game asap as someone is going to get severely injured. I heard young McCarthy is badly injured. We in Down GAA are better than this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 05, 2022, 10:03:15 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 05, 2022, 09:50:49 AM
Down football will never improve with that crap going on last night. A really bad tempered game with a nasty element throughout. The punch could be heard throughout the ground and the rows after were disgusting. This needs to be eradicated from our game asap as someone is going to get severely injured. I heard young McCarthy is badly injured. We in Down GAA are better than this.

Explain this one to me please. What makes us better than this in Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 05, 2022, 10:13:36 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on July 05, 2022, 10:03:15 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 05, 2022, 09:50:49 AM
Down football will never improve with that crap going on last night. A really bad tempered game with a nasty element throughout. The punch could be heard throughout the ground and the rows after were disgusting. This needs to be eradicated from our game asap as someone is going to get severely injured. I heard young McCarthy is badly injured. We in Down GAA are better than this.

Explain this one to me please. What makes us better than this in Down?

Did you attend last nights game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 05, 2022, 10:48:36 AM
Why does that matter.
Im merely curious as to why you think that in Down (i assume in comparison to other counties) we are better than this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 05, 2022, 10:56:54 AM
The GAA is better than this, its ugly and needs to be eradicated. The same people continually involved in rows and nothing ever done about it. A one game suspension in a league where you cant be relegated. The video footage needs to be shared with the CCC and clubs fined heavily.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 05, 2022, 11:35:28 AM
Ahhh yeah the GAA in general needs to do something about it surely, and alot of counties are as bad id wager.
GAA rulebook is a nonsense and the claim/appeal culture is ridiculous in Ireland. A huge fault lies with officialdom and powers-that-be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 05, 2022, 04:36:19 PM
Nothing will be done and it will continue to happen, whatever it is that happened as no one really said. Move on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 05, 2022, 09:02:33 PM
Most surprising thing is that no videos circulating of the fight - yet...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 06, 2022, 08:34:28 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 05, 2022, 04:36:19 PM
Nothing will be done and it will continue to happen, whatever it is that happened as no one really said. Move on.

News travels fast and Burren is not far from Rostrevor so I have said you have heard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 06, 2022, 09:12:49 AM

What a daft post but go ahead you name 15 first.
[/quote]

Jack Hazard
Pearse Laverty
Tom Close
Jamie O'Hagan
Paddy McCarthy
Odhran murdock
Shealan Johnston
Ryan McEvoy
John McGovern
Adam Lynch
Daniel Guinness
Ruairi McCormick
Liam Kerr
Patrick Brooks
Seamus Loughran
Young lad from shamrocks - can't think of his name - plays in half forward line mostly.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 06, 2022, 10:38:42 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 06, 2022, 09:12:49 AM

What a daft post but go ahead you name 15 first.

Jack Hazard soccer influence and won't commit
Pearse Laverty tried and not up to it.
Tom Close tried earlier in the season
Jamie O'Hagan maybe
Paddy McCarthy  another Burren plucked from no where
Odhran murdock  YES
Shealan Johnston  kilcoo
Ryan McEvoy  too cheeky
John McGovern great white hope but soccer head
Adam Lynch  tried and not up to it
Daniel Guinness YES
Ruairi McCormick honest player but not county standard
Liam Kerr  YES
Patrick Brooks   nah!
Seamus Loughran possibly !
Young lad from shamrocks - can't think of his name - plays in half forward line mostly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on July 06, 2022, 11:03:21 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 06, 2022, 09:12:49 AM

What a daft post but go ahead you name 15 first.

Jack Hazard
Pearse Laverty
Tom Close
Jamie O'Hagan
Paddy McCarthy
Odhran murdock
Shealan Johnston
Ryan McEvoy
John McGovern
Adam Lynch
Daniel Guinness
Ruairi McCormick
Liam Kerr
Patrick Brooks
Seamus Loughran
Young lad from shamrocks - can't think of his name - plays in half forward line mostly.
[/quote]
Sean McAleavey?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 06, 2022, 11:24:10 AM
Is it me or are championships getting earlier? Underage championships have begun already and premier reserves and reserve championships down to the last 8.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on July 06, 2022, 01:36:12 PM
Unfortunately this thread has become a mirror image of what Hogan Stand used to be like with absolute drivel being posted
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 06, 2022, 04:45:02 PM
Quote from: FM on July 06, 2022, 11:03:21 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 06, 2022, 09:12:49 AM

What a daft post but go ahead you name 15 first.

Jack Hazard
Pearse Laverty
Tom Close
Jamie O'Hagan
Paddy McCarthy
Odhran murdock
Shealan Johnston
Ryan McEvoy
John McGovern
Adam Lynch
Daniel Guinness
Ruairi McCormick
Liam Kerr
Patrick Brooks
Seamus Loughran
Young lad from shamrocks - can't think of his name - plays in half forward line mostly.
Sean McAleavey?
[/quote]

Cathal Gorman
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on July 06, 2022, 05:19:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 06, 2022, 11:24:10 AM
Is it me or are championships getting earlier? Underage championships have begun already and premier reserves and reserve championships down to the last 8.

It's just you, when do you want them played
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rory on July 06, 2022, 07:07:03 PM
Quote from: PTC on July 06, 2022, 05:19:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 06, 2022, 11:24:10 AM
Is it me or are championships getting earlier? Underage championships have begun already and premier reserves and reserve championships down to the last 8.

It's just you, when do you want them played

You're right Truth Hurts. The underage championships all seem to be about a month earlier than usual. Quarters and semis in August and finals very early in September. Gonna cause some teams real headaches with kids away on holidays, gaekteacht etc. No idea why the calendar was changed, the reason the knock out games were usually played in September was to avoid this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 06, 2022, 07:12:48 PM
Is it a bad thing though?

I remember when I was a minor (way, way back) going to London for 6-7 weeks mid summer and missing 1 game. There's probably some compromise here between these two extremes, but Gaelic football is its best when it's a summer sport. Fill the summer months I say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rory on July 06, 2022, 07:38:56 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 06, 2022, 07:12:48 PM
Is it a bad thing though?

I remember when I was a minor (way, way back) going to London for 6-7 weeks mid summer and missing 1 game. There's probably some compromise here between these two extremes, but Gaelic football is its best when it's a summer sport. Fill the summer months I say.

Fill the summer months is right. But the way the calendar is this year, over half of the u17, 15 and 13 kids in the county will play their last game of the year at the start of August with 3 or 4 weeks of the summer left. In previous years most kids would be playing championship group games til near the end of August.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 06, 2022, 10:06:27 PM
Play them off now.. when September hits all children should have club championships done and dusted so the schools can have their time with them. St Colmans, Abbey, St Louis and St Joesephs - schools who put in real effort with their pupils don't need the distraction of club games whilst they are preparing for school games.
Then parents will be tapping their children have no down time going straight from club to school to club/county etc etc
Hard to win.. But this way at least they are only serving one master and not made choose to play either school or club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 07, 2022, 09:00:05 AM
Wobbler I agree with playing during the summer months but have a longer league and late Aug/Early Sept start the championship and have it wrapped up by early October.
BTW I am not digging at the CCC who do a great jobs at our fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on July 07, 2022, 10:15:11 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 06, 2022, 07:12:48 PM
Is it a bad thing though?

I remember when I was a minor (way, way back) going to London for 6-7 weeks mid summer and missing 1 game. There's probably some compromise here between these two extremes, but Gaelic football is its best when it's a summer sport. Fill the summer months I say.

I remember Minor League football starting the first Sunday in February and being wrapped up in early April. Then you had to wait for a Minor Championship game in June and if you were beat that was it for the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 07, 2022, 10:27:01 AM
Lgfa in Down has a spring league then a summer league and then the championship in September or October. Although I  imagine the late championship helps with pitch availability
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on July 07, 2022, 10:29:51 AM
Lads as an underage manager I think its great that all is wrapped up by September. I mind playing a final last year in 1st weekend of October and at that stage the season had been going since end of April. Training twice a week with a match in September with lads at school and also training with the school wasn't ideal. Have to think about the lads and burnout as well. Particularly those that play - with one or two teams in club, Down development squad, Schools football, Soccer, Rugby, Athletics to name but a few. As managers we have a duty of care to our players. I for one am not complaining of the finish by end of August.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 07, 2022, 10:41:29 AM
That's a fair point about other sports and schools Meaty

Some big games in 1b tomorrow with RGU DOWNPATRIC v BRYANSFORD is a massive four-pointer. Its hard to believe that RGU were challenging for promotion going into the last two games and now could be relaegated. A crazy league this year but an enjoyable one so far.

Div 2 and 3 relegation is all to play for as well and there will be a lot of sleepless nights over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on July 07, 2022, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on July 07, 2022, 10:29:51 AM
Lads as an underage manager I think its great that all is wrapped up by September. I mind playing a final last year in 1st weekend of October and at that stage the season had been going since end of April. Training twice a week with a match in September with lads at school and also training with the school wasn't ideal. Have to think about the lads and burnout as well. Particularly those that play - with one or two teams in club, Down development squad, Schools football, Soccer, Rugby, Athletics to name but a few. As managers we have a duty of care to our players. I for one am not complaining of the finish by end of August.

As someone else involved in underage (hurling) I'm wondering how you cope with kids being off on holidays during this period..

We find it hard at some levels to get 15 at times during July and August, let alone worrying about having our best team out.

Championships become a lottery if they're completed at this time of year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on July 07, 2022, 12:18:53 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on July 07, 2022, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on July 07, 2022, 10:29:51 AM
Lads as an underage manager I think its great that all is wrapped up by September. I mind playing a final last year in 1st weekend of October and at that stage the season had been going since end of April. Training twice a week with a match in September with lads at school and also training with the school wasn't ideal. Have to think about the lads and burnout as well. Particularly those that play - with one or two teams in club, Down development squad, Schools football, Soccer, Rugby, Athletics to name but a few. As managers we have a duty of care to our players. I for one am not complaining of the finish by end of August.

As someone else involved in underage (hurling) I'm wondering how you cope with kids being off on holidays during this period..

We find it hard at some levels to get 15 at times during July and August, let alone worrying about having our best team out.

Championships become a lottery if they're completed at this time of year.

I understand your issues I myself have had them and just have to manage them in the best way possible. At the end of the day GAA is by design a summer sport, hence why our seasons only start in April. I just think letting competitions run until October November doesn't do kids any good plus you run into issues of pitch availability due to lack of daylight. If the GAA facilitate all clubs by giving Grants for Floodlights then you could look at extending competitions beyond the summer but again you run into the burnout issue. There's no right answer but there's no good alternatives either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 07, 2022, 12:50:53 PM
I make it out that around 35% of clubs have floodlit facilities, if this increased then we could lengthen the season. Are there grants for floodlights?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on July 07, 2022, 04:30:07 PM
The one problem of finishing too early is handing our player to other sports. I am not against other sports, in fact all kids should play multiple sports, but unless the kids go to a GAA school they come back in April not having picked a ball or a stick up in 5\6 months which is too long. It's a tricky one and there is no perfect solution.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 08, 2022, 09:19:38 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on July 07, 2022, 04:30:07 PM
The one problem of finishing too early is handing our player to other sports. I am not against other sports, in fact all kids should play multiple sports, but unless the kids go to a GAA school they come back in April not having picked a ball or a stick up in 5\6 months which is too long. It's a tricky one and there is no perfect solution.

I'm sure Carryduff does not resume training in April but I know what you are saying.

Disappointing to hear the whimpers over the county of the disconnect between Kilcoo and Burren over the other night's game and how players won't represent Down due to it, another blow for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on July 08, 2022, 01:00:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 07, 2022, 10:27:01 AM
Lgfa in Down has a spring league then a summer league and then the championship in September or October. Although I  imagine the late championship helps with pitch availability

Yeah for underage only but apparently their fixtures secretary is a balloon. Any truth?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 08, 2022, 03:36:43 PM
Quote from: razor on July 08, 2022, 01:00:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 07, 2022, 10:27:01 AM
Lgfa in Down has a spring league then a summer league and then the championship in September or October. Although I  imagine the late championship helps with pitch availability

Yeah for underage only but apparently their fixtures secretary is a balloon. Any truth?

I think it's unfair to call any administrator who is volunteering their time that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 08, 2022, 09:46:55 PM
Some performance tonight by CPN. Missing over half a team at a wedding and produce the performance of the season. Jack Howlett, Ryan Boyle and Aaron McBurney outstanding ably assisted by Joe and Shea magee. Ballyholland are going down - very talented group of players but miles behind the rest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 08, 2022, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: razor on July 08, 2022, 01:00:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 07, 2022, 10:27:01 AM
Lgfa in Down has a spring league then a summer league and then the championship in September or October. Although I  imagine the late championship helps with pitch availability

Yeah for underage only but apparently their fixtures secretary is a balloon. Any truth?
wise up. No fixtures job is easy, no need for personal attacks, easy to hide behind a keyboard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on July 09, 2022, 10:43:42 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 08, 2022, 09:46:55 PM
Some performance tonight by CPN. Missing over half a team at a wedding and produce the performance of the season. Jack Howlett, Ryan Boyle and Aaron McBurney outstanding ably assisted by Joe and Shea magee. Ballyholland are going down - very talented group of players but miles behind the rest.

Strange set of results in Div 1 B with big wins for Rostrevor and under strength Point. Hearing also that a half strength RGU team completely out played Bryansford and only for Reid in goal it could have been a real hammering. Some Ford folk unhappy within defensive nature of their play. Carryduff moving on nicely p
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 10, 2022, 10:53:44 PM
Paddy Tally coaches yet another team to an All Ireland final. Our club delegates have a lot to answer for..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 11, 2022, 08:56:23 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 10, 2022, 10:53:44 PM
Paddy Tally coaches yet another team to an All Ireland final. Our club delegates have a lot to answer for..

Unreal what this man has achieved and we got rid of him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 11, 2022, 09:34:52 AM
In fairness, hes no laverty or clarke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 11, 2022, 10:00:56 AM
There is no denying the great work Paddy Tally has done as as coach. With Tyrone Down in 2010 and Galway  now Kerry.  Same goes with Cian O'Neill with Tipp hurlers now Galway footballers. But they both didn't really excel as a manager with Down and Kildare during their time but that's not to say they wouldn't with better players at their disposal. Downs problem is getting players to commit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 11, 2022, 11:40:56 AM
I heard from a reputable source in Castlewellan  that Martin O'Rourke has stepped down from his role as Ballyholland manager. Is this true Wobbler?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 11, 2022, 07:48:47 PM
Andy McEntee heavily linked with Antrim. (I heard this in McDonalds at Forestside. The lads in there are in the know!)

Is this the start of the inter-county merry go round?

Will Down jump on the merry go round?

Chicken tenders by the way.
And a McFlurry.

Sorry lads. Obviously I meant Brackenvale!
The Burger King lads at Forestside know sweet FA!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on July 11, 2022, 08:26:10 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 11, 2022, 11:40:56 AM
I heard from a reputable source in Castlewellan  that Martin O'Rourke has stepped down from his role as Ballyholland manager. Is this true Wobbler?
Yes heard this too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 12, 2022, 12:35:25 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on July 11, 2022, 09:34:52 AM
In fairness, hes no laverty or clarke.

Exactly - he wins on the big stage against recognised strong county teams..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 12, 2022, 09:09:35 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 12, 2022, 12:35:25 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on July 11, 2022, 09:34:52 AM
In fairness, hes no laverty or clarke.

Exactly - he wins on the big stage against recognised strong county teams..

In fairness a lot of Paddy Tally's success has been as a coach rather than a manager.
There is a big difference in the two roles.

Same is true of Cian O'Neill.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on July 12, 2022, 11:34:53 AM
Is wee James staying on with Down next season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on July 12, 2022, 03:17:57 PM
Ballyholland management gone? Surprised at the timing tbf. They've been shocking since the opening few games where they beat some weaker teams. Was at the game in Moygannon on Friday and it's the worst Ballyholland performance I've seen in a long while. Absolutely zero fight apart from a couple of wayward elbows thrown about when they were getting stuffed. Ballyholland we're always a difficult team to play against but they seem to have lost the aggression and doggedness required for them to complete. Be really interesting to see who goes down in Div1. Harps now joined the town and super reds in the no hope bunch of the pack. RGU have given themselves a lifeline beating the Ford. Might still go down to the wire. If our lads can win 2 more games we should be safe but need bryansford to be one of those wins IMO. Town, reds, Harps and Ford to go down I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on July 13, 2022, 06:08:24 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on July 11, 2022, 09:34:52 AM
In fairness, hes no laverty or clarke.

What happened the smiley face here Brick?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 13, 2022, 09:46:55 PM
Down minors on hunt for a new manager. Any standout candidates for this role??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 14, 2022, 08:29:05 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 13, 2022, 09:46:55 PM
Down minors on hunt for a new manager. Any standout candidates for this role??

Has there been invitations for applications or will county management sort it out?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 14, 2022, 01:54:40 PM


Has there been invitations for applications or will county management sort it out?
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Just heard there was a vacancy. How was it sorted last time?? Was it the steering committee that organised it? They might do so again.. surely Francie Poland from Mayobridge would have to be considered? Has led Bridge u15s to league and championship last year and already has u17 league in the bag with a group that are mostly u17 again next year. Him and Michael Walsh (S&C) seem to be working well together. And hearing Caolan Mooney talking about Walsh - he seems to be the ticket at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 14, 2022, 02:33:09 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 14, 2022, 01:54:40 PM


Has there been invitations for applications or will county management sort it out?

Just heard there was a vacancy. How was it sorted last time?? Was it the steering committee that organised it? They might do so again.. surely Francie Poland from Mayobridge would have to be considered? Has led Bridge u15s to league and championship last year and already has u17 league in the bag with a group that are mostly u17 again next year. Him and Michael Walsh (S&C) seem to be working well together. And hearing Caolan Mooney talking about Walsh - he seems to be the ticket at the minute.
[/quote]

Is Micheal Walsh not with the RGU?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on July 14, 2022, 05:08:14 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 14, 2022, 02:33:09 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 14, 2022, 01:54:40 PM


Has there been invitations for applications or will county management sort it out?

Just heard there was a vacancy. How was it sorted last time?? Was it the steering committee that organised it? They might do so again.. surely Francie Poland from Mayobridge would have to be considered? Has led Bridge u15s to league and championship last year and already has u17 league in the bag with a group that are mostly u17 again next year. Him and Michael Walsh (S&C) seem to be working well together. And hearing Caolan Mooney talking about Walsh - he seems to be the ticket at the minute.

Is Micheal Walsh not with the RGU?

Has stepped away from match day involvement. Probably due to wanting the minor job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 14, 2022, 08:21:05 PM
Last time I think they invited interested parties to make their interest known. Then they had an interview process where the best set up with suitable Burren credentials was selected.

It's known as 'The Down Way'.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on July 14, 2022, 09:38:37 PM
Hear Benny is well placed for the minor job as he's with the County U16s. Him and some guy from Armagh originally, "Chinkie" McConvey who is also with that squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 14, 2022, 11:12:53 PM
Quote from: Godsown on July 14, 2022, 09:38:37 PM
Hear Benny is well placed for the minor job as he's with the County U16s. Him and some guy from Armagh originally, "Chinkie" McConvey who is also with that squad.

If Benny gets the job it's actually something I agree with. It's difficult getting people to take development squads - if they knew they would get a chance of the minor job - it would entice them to the role. That's how Cunningham got it last time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 15, 2022, 06:12:27 PM
Would expect Ronan McCartan to be a strong candidate for the county minors.
Successful with Saul, bit of time with Ballymartin, County Ladies, Down U20s.

Impressive enough cv.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 15, 2022, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on July 15, 2022, 06:12:27 PM
Would expect Ronan McCartan to be a strong candidate for the county minors.
Successful with Saul, bit of time with Ballymartin, County Ladies, Down U20s.

Impressive enough cv.

County ladies relegated to junior football on his watch so he jumped before being pushed. He is also the coach of Glen and has a new role with rostrevor as underage development coordinator. Not sure he would have the time for minors tbh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 16, 2022, 06:50:58 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 15, 2022, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on July 15, 2022, 06:12:27 PM
Would expect Ronan McCartan to be a strong candidate for the county minors.
Successful with Saul, bit of time with Ballymartin, County Ladies, Down U20s.

Impressive enough cv.

County ladies relegated to junior football on his watch so he jumped before being pushed. He is also the coach of Glen and has a new role with rostrevor as underage development coordinator. Not sure he would have the time for minors tbh.



Maybe junior is their level? Relegation happens for a lot of reasons.

I don't think anyone can coach a county team & a club team at same time. Need dole focus on county.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 16, 2022, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 15, 2022, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on July 15, 2022, 06:12:27 PM
Would expect Ronan McCartan to be a strong candidate for the county minors.
Successful with Saul, bit of time with Ballymartin, County Ladies, Down U20s.

Impressive enough cv.

County ladies relegated to junior football on his watch so he jumped before being pushed. He is also the coach of Glen and has a new role with rostrevor as underage development coordinator. Not sure he would have the time for minors tbh.

From what I can see a lot of those ladies which played when they won the All-Ireland either have moved abroad or retired/have had children.. Ronan seemed to be breaking down the clicks within the squad and introducing fresh faces, was doing a good job bar results imo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on July 17, 2022, 11:07:35 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 16, 2022, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 15, 2022, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on July 15, 2022, 06:12:27 PM
Would expect Ronan McCartan to be a strong candidate for the county minors.
Successful with Saul, bit of time with Ballymartin, County Ladies, Down U20s.

Impressive enough cv.

County ladies relegated to junior football on his watch so he jumped before being pushed. He is also the coach of Glen and has a new role with rostrevor as underage development coordinator. Not sure he would have the time for minors tbh.

From what I can see a lot of those ladies which played when they won the All-Ireland either have moved abroad or retired/have had children.. Ronan seemed to be breaking down the clicks within the squad and introducing fresh faces, was doing a good job bar results imo
A good job bar results doesn't count for much in sport unfortunately
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 17, 2022, 04:22:44 PM
Depends what picture you are looking at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 17, 2022, 08:11:07 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on July 17, 2022, 11:07:35 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 16, 2022, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 15, 2022, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on July 15, 2022, 06:12:27 PM
Would expect Ronan McCartan to be a strong candidate for the county minors.
Successful with Saul, bit of time with Ballymartin, County Ladies, Down U20s.

Impressive enough cv.

County ladies relegated to junior football on his watch so he jumped before being pushed. He is also the coach of Glen and has a new role with rostrevor as underage development coordinator. Not sure he would have the time for minors tbh.

From what I can see a lot of those ladies which played when they won the All-Ireland either have moved abroad or retired/have had children.. Ronan seemed to be breaking down the clicks within the squad and introducing fresh faces, was doing a good job bar results imo
A good job bar results doesn't count for much in sport unfortunately

Success is relative.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on July 17, 2022, 11:48:30 PM
Think its been 8/9 years since they won an All Ireland, im sure the team well changed since then. Last I saw was an Ulster win or All ireland Q/Semi year before he took over 🤷‍♂️. Though dont think they been a junior team for long time so relegated  to junior not a good outcome at all i suppose. Who knows if he had the players maybe they would know better. With Saul his first year did well, Not sure of role with u20s, seemed to be Conor Laverty and Marty Clarke but could have done a bit although have heard his name around a few jobs maybe something about him, bit more for me before a county minor job. Benny is the man or maybe look at last years Carryduff managers who took a young u20 team through to senior or look at MacRory managers as part of a team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 18, 2022, 09:15:40 AM
Look I think Benny with the u16s should move up to minors, I think the players would be happy and he would generate support from throughout as he is a legend in the county.
I would be more worried about the senior job tbh, it needs to be rubber-stamped asap as the intercounty season bar two teams is over and everyone is looking for managers.

If James is staying then get that in writing otherwise get looking, we would be in danger of another year of the same crap. Please learn from our mistakes.
I hope this is the county management's main aim this week, get it sorted folks!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on July 18, 2022, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 18, 2022, 09:15:40 AM
Look I think Benny with the u16s should move up to minors, I think the players would be happy and he would generate support from throughout as he is a legend in the county.
I would be more worried about the senior job tbh, it needs to be rubber-stamped asap as the intercounty season bar two teams is over and everyone is looking for managers.

If James is staying then get that in writing otherwise get looking, we would be in danger of another year of the same crap. Please learn from our mistakes.
I hope this is the county management's main aim this week, get it sorted folks!

Because someone's a legend? What difference does that make?

Young lads mightn't even know who Benny is?

More important this is, I think, is he a good manager/coach?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 18, 2022, 09:46:00 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 18, 2022, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 18, 2022, 09:15:40 AM
Look I think Benny with the u16s should move up to minors, I think the players would be happy and he would generate support from throughout as he is a legend in the county.
I would be more worried about the senior job tbh, it needs to be rubber-stamped asap as the intercounty season bar two teams is over and everyone is looking for managers.

If James is staying then get that in writing otherwise get looking, we would be in danger of another year of the same crap. Please learn from our mistakes.
I hope this is the county management's main aim this week, get it sorted folks!

Because someone's a legend? What difference does that make?

Young lads mightn't even know who Benny is?

More important this is, I think, is he a good manager/coach?

The young lads who are currently being coached by him at u16 level ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on July 18, 2022, 10:34:14 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 18, 2022, 09:46:00 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 18, 2022, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 18, 2022, 09:15:40 AM
Look I think Benny with the u16s should move up to minors, I think the players would be happy and he would generate support from throughout as he is a legend in the county.
I would be more worried about the senior job tbh, it needs to be rubber-stamped asap as the intercounty season bar two teams is over and everyone is looking for managers.

If James is staying then get that in writing otherwise get looking, we would be in danger of another year of the same crap. Please learn from our mistakes.
I hope this is the county management's main aim this week, get it sorted folks!

Because someone's a legend? What difference does that make?

Young lads mightn't even know who Benny is?

More important this is, I think, is he a good manager/coach?

The young lads who are currently being coached by him at u16 level ::) ::) ::)

All well and good.

How's he doing? Is he a good coach?

The quote was he's a  legend...Roy Keane's a legend but not a great coach etc.  That's my point.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 18, 2022, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 18, 2022, 10:34:14 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 18, 2022, 09:46:00 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 18, 2022, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 18, 2022, 09:15:40 AM
Look I think Benny with the u16s should move up to minors, I think the players would be happy and he would generate support from throughout as he is a legend in the county.
I would be more worried about the senior job tbh, it needs to be rubber-stamped asap as the intercounty season bar two teams is over and everyone is looking for managers.

If James is staying then get that in writing otherwise get looking, we would be in danger of another year of the same crap. Please learn from our mistakes.
I hope this is the county management's main aim this week, get it sorted folks!

Because someone's a legend? What difference does that make?

Young lads mightn't even know who Benny is?

More important this is, I think, is he a good manager/coach?

The young lads who are currently being coached by him at u16 level ::) ::) ::)

All well and good.

How's he doing? Is he a good coach?

The quote was he's a  legend...Roy Keane's a legend but not a great coach etc.  That's my point.

I have never been coached by him but reports from Longstone and Rostrevor are good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on July 18, 2022, 12:07:53 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 18, 2022, 10:55:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 18, 2022, 10:34:14 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 18, 2022, 09:46:00 AM
Quote from: marty34 on July 18, 2022, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 18, 2022, 09:15:40 AM
Look I think Benny with the u16s should move up to minors, I think the players would be happy and he would generate support from throughout as he is a legend in the county.
I would be more worried about the senior job tbh, it needs to be rubber-stamped asap as the intercounty season bar two teams is over and everyone is looking for managers.

If James is staying then get that in writing otherwise get looking, we would be in danger of another year of the same crap. Please learn from our mistakes.
I hope this is the county management's main aim this week, get it sorted folks!

Because someone's a legend? What difference does that make?

Young lads mightn't even know who Benny is?

More important this is, I think, is he a good manager/coach?

The young lads who are currently being coached by him at u16 level ::) ::) ::)

All well and good.

How's he doing? Is he a good coach?

The quote was he's a  legend...Roy Keane's a legend but not a great coach etc.  That's my point.

I have never been coached by him but reports from Longstone and Rostrevor are good.

Good reports with a winning % of 7.7%.......  :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 18, 2022, 12:13:08 PM
Ok, can you give us names for the job then? This board is what's wrong with Down GAA, all complaining and no one with answers. I bet 90% of the people on the forum hardly volunteer put are the first to complain.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on July 18, 2022, 12:16:37 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 18, 2022, 12:13:08 PM
Ok, can you give us names for the job then? This board is what's wrong with Down GAA, all complaining and no one with answers. I bet 90% of the people on the forum hardly volunteer put are the first to complain.

How about starting with people who have been successful in previous roles? We've went down the path of hiring almost every member of the 91 & 94 teams.. The kitman will be next!

My query is, what has he done to warrant an important county role? Same as Poacher and the likes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 18, 2022, 12:26:42 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 18, 2022, 12:16:37 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 18, 2022, 12:13:08 PM
Ok, can you give us names for the job then? This board is what's wrong with Down GAA, all complaining and no one with answers. I bet 90% of the people on the forum hardly volunteer put are the first to complain.

How about starting with people who have been successful in previous roles? We've went down the path of hiring almost every member of the 91 & 94 teams.. The kitman will be next!

My query is, what has he done to warrant an important county role? Same as Poacher and the likes.


"same as Poacher and the likes"

Another crap argument, who are the likes?

My query is give me a better person to take them? Give me answers, people are quick to shoot down people,  I respect any man who puts their face towards managing a senior team, its 24/7 job.
So please without trying to ridicule another name could you please give me the names of candidates who you would prefer to take on our minor job as I am certainly open to discussion.

Quit with the whataboutery
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on July 18, 2022, 12:34:57 PM
i see pete sr and jr are taking rostrevor u17s at the minute. Would he be up for the minor job?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 18, 2022, 07:43:00 PM
I'm told that the powers that be already have someone for the minor role.
Not sure what the delay in announcing it is.
Might be finalising back room team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 19, 2022, 12:31:49 AM
It should be someone with a good record of working with youth teams of a similar age at either club or county level. Surely clubs who had interested parties could nominate someone and then begin a whittling down process based on results and reports etc . There would always be a few delusional characters putting their names forward but surely these could be quickly weeded out by a panel and use an interview process for the final 10 names .

Is the main way we get these managers currently through them being involved in the county underage setups?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 19, 2022, 06:47:51 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 19, 2022, 12:31:49 AM
It should be someone with a good record of working with youth teams of a similar age at either club or county level. Surely clubs who had interested parties could nominate someone and then begin a whittling down process based on results and reports etc . There would always be a few delusional characters putting their names forward but surely these could be quickly weeded out by a panel and use an interview process for the final 10 names .

Is the main way we get these managers currently through them being involved in the county underage setups?

No. It's usually through being involved with Burren or QUB!

#TheDownWay
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 19, 2022, 10:12:56 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on July 19, 2022, 06:47:51 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 19, 2022, 12:31:49 AM
It should be someone with a good record of working with youth teams of a similar age at either club or county level. Surely clubs who had interested parties could nominate someone and then begin a whittling down process based on results and reports etc . There would always be a few delusional characters putting their names forward but surely these could be quickly weeded out by a panel and use an interview process for the final 10 names .

Is the main way we get these managers currently through them being involved in the county underage setups?

No. It's usually through being involved with Burren or QUB!

#TheDownWay

You should put your name forward for the county executive in DEC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on July 19, 2022, 10:59:34 AM
The pseudo name says it all really

Not all good club managers become good county managers. Similar to players. Some club managers tend to have come through their underage schemes with a group because of family playing and don't want to move away from that into a county position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on July 19, 2022, 12:12:06 PM
I get that entirely , but also not all good county players become good managers either. I'd said only interested parties would be nominated too so not asking anyone to leave a team that didn't want to  . Maybe it was an ideal world suggestion but I genuinely would like to know how it currently works
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on July 19, 2022, 12:39:34 PM
Yep agree on that too. It's important that the right coach is found, the age group of minor can be pivotal for both club and senior levels for years to come
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 19, 2022, 05:02:14 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 19, 2022, 10:12:56 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on July 19, 2022, 06:47:51 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 19, 2022, 12:31:49 AM
It should be someone with a good record of working with youth teams of a similar age at either club or county level. Surely clubs who had interested parties could nominate someone and then begin a whittling down process based on results and reports etc . There would always be a few delusional characters putting their names forward but surely these could be quickly weeded out by a panel and use an interview process for the final 10 names .

Is the main way we get these managers currently through them being involved in the county underage setups?

No. It's usually through being involved with Burren or QUB!

#TheDownWay

You should put your name forward for the county executive in DEC

Maybe I already have!

Just maybe you & I have chatted in the busy bee or another local hostelry!

Perhaps as my name suggests I'm the kind of individual who would feed you some of the things you post here.

Just maybe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 19, 2022, 09:25:33 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 19, 2022, 12:31:49 AM
It should be someone with a good record of working with youth teams of a similar age at either club or county level. Surely clubs who had interested parties could nominate someone and then begin a whittling down process based on results and reports etc . There would always be a few delusional characters putting their names forward but surely these could be quickly weeded out by a panel and use an interview process for the final 10 names .

Is the main way we get these managers currently through them being involved in the county underage setups?

Surely minor age group is best suited to a teacher. They work with this age group regularly, have an overspill of players each year and new faces too. They are accustomed to dealing with parents, players expectations, pitching the level of training as well as organising.

Cathal Murray would be my choice with Dan Gordan, Benny Coulter, Niall McAleenan and Aidan Fegan. A good balance of south/east and mid down.
Good coaches in the mix and with Cathal as the lead - young lads would have buyin as they know his record.

People might say he wudn be interested in the role / but make it appealing. How come Tyrone, Armagh, Donegal, Derry, etc etc can get all the best people in the correct places in their counties but we can't??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on July 20, 2022, 10:15:17 AM
Cathal Murray leading those men is like getting Jesus and the Apostles to Follow Judas at the helm. I've heard it all now. Stop the bus, I'm getting off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 20, 2022, 12:23:00 PM
Criteria for Jobs in Down- South Down, Ex Queens, Ex St Colmans, Burren connection.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on July 20, 2022, 12:56:34 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 19, 2022, 09:25:33 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 19, 2022, 12:31:49 AM
It should be someone with a good record of working with youth teams of a similar age at either club or county level. Surely clubs who had interested parties could nominate someone and then begin a whittling down process based on results and reports etc . There would always be a few delusional characters putting their names forward but surely these could be quickly weeded out by a panel and use an interview process for the final 10 names .

Is the main way we get these managers currently through them being involved in the county underage setups?

Surely minor age group is best suited to a teacher. They work with this age group regularly, have an overspill of players each year and new faces too. They are accustomed to dealing with parents, players expectations, pitching the level of training as well as organising.

Cathal Murray would be my choice with Dan Gordan, Benny Coulter, Niall McAleenan and Aidan Fegan. A good balance of south/east and mid down.
Good coaches in the mix and with Cathal as the lead - young lads would have buyin as they know his record.

People might say he wudn be interested in the role / but make it appealing. How come Tyrone, Armagh, Donegal, Derry, etc etc can get all the best people in the correct places in their counties but we can't??

This gets better and better.
Every year without fail we have serious entertainment in here when it comes to managerial selections. Brilliant stuff. Keep it going
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on July 20, 2022, 01:14:00 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 19, 2022, 09:25:33 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 19, 2022, 12:31:49 AM
It should be someone with a good record of working with youth teams of a similar age at either club or county level. Surely clubs who had interested parties could nominate someone and then begin a whittling down process based on results and reports etc . There would always be a few delusional characters putting their names forward but surely these could be quickly weeded out by a panel and use an interview process for the final 10 names .

Is the main way we get these managers currently through them being involved in the county underage setups?

Surely minor age group is best suited to a teacher. They work with this age group regularly, have an overspill of players each year and new faces too. They are accustomed to dealing with parents, players expectations, pitching the level of training as well as organising.

Cathal Murray would be my choice with Dan Gordan, Benny Coulter, Niall McAleenan and Aidan Fegan. A good balance of south/east and mid down.
Good coaches in the mix and with Cathal as the lead - young lads would have buyin as they know his record.

People might say he wudn be interested in the role / but make it appealing. How come Tyrone, Armagh, Donegal, Derry, etc etc can get all the best people in the correct places in their counties but we can't??

Not all good youth coaches are teachers, and not all teachers are good youth coaches. That is absurd criteria to base it on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 20, 2022, 01:27:23 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 19, 2022, 09:25:33 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 19, 2022, 12:31:49 AM
It should be someone with a good record of working with youth teams of a similar age at either club or county level. Surely clubs who had interested parties could nominate someone and then begin a whittling down process based on results and reports etc . There would always be a few delusional characters putting their names forward but surely these could be quickly weeded out by a panel and use an interview process for the final 10 names .

Is the main way we get these managers currently through them being involved in the county underage setups?

Surely minor age group is best suited to a teacher. They work with this age group regularly, have an overspill of players each year and new faces too. They are accustomed to dealing with parents, players expectations, pitching the level of training as well as organising.

Cathal Murray would be my choice with Dan Gordan, Benny Coulter, Niall McAleenan and Aidan Fegan. A good balance of south/east and mid down.
Good coaches in the mix and with Cathal as the lead - young lads would have buyin as they know his record.

People might say he wudn be interested in the role / but make it appealing. How come Tyrone, Armagh, Donegal, Derry, etc etc can get all the best people in the correct places in their counties but we can't??

Joe McCann principal of the Red high should get it, go higher than a teacher Sean Og LOL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on July 20, 2022, 01:28:50 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on July 20, 2022, 01:14:00 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 19, 2022, 09:25:33 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on July 19, 2022, 12:31:49 AM
It should be someone with a good record of working with youth teams of a similar age at either club or county level. Surely clubs who had interested parties could nominate someone and then begin a whittling down process based on results and reports etc . There would always be a few delusional characters putting their names forward but surely these could be quickly weeded out by a panel and use an interview process for the final 10 names .

Is the main way we get these managers currently through them being involved in the county underage setups?

Surely minor age group is best suited to a teacher. They work with this age group regularly, have an overspill of players each year and new faces too. They are accustomed to dealing with parents, players expectations, pitching the level of training as well as organising.

Cathal Murray would be my choice with Dan Gordan, Benny Coulter, Niall McAleenan and Aidan Fegan. A good balance of south/east and mid down.
Good coaches in the mix and with Cathal as the lead - young lads would have buyin as they know his record.

People might say he wudn be interested in the role / but make it appealing. How come Tyrone, Armagh, Donegal, Derry, etc etc can get all the best people in the correct places in their counties but we can't??

Not all good youth coaches are teachers, and not all teachers are good youth coaches. That is absurd criteria to base it on.

Just need to be a person person.

Whether that makes a teacher better qualified than anybody else is debateable.

Can they manage people is the key question?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 20, 2022, 03:18:41 PM
Donegal seniors are on the hunt as well
I am glad we learnt from our mistakes from 2021
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 20, 2022, 09:19:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 20, 2022, 03:18:41 PM
Donegal seniors are on the hunt as well
I am glad we learnt from our mistakes from 2021

They're going to keep McCartan, cheap option
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on July 20, 2022, 09:37:49 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 20, 2022, 09:19:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 20, 2022, 03:18:41 PM
Donegal seniors are on the hunt as well
I am glad we learnt from our mistakes from 2021

They're going to keep McCartan, cheap option

The Down Way!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 20, 2022, 10:41:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 20, 2022, 12:23:00 PM
Criteria for Jobs in Down- South Down, Ex Queens, Ex St Colmans, Burren connection.

Take Murray out of the equation then and have Gordon leading the charge. Not from Burren, St Colmans, Queens or South Down. Is that good enough for you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 21, 2022, 09:26:32 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 20, 2022, 10:41:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 20, 2022, 12:23:00 PM
Criteria for Jobs in Down- South Down, Ex Queens, Ex St Colmans, Burren connection.

Take Murray out of the equation then and have Gordon leading the charge. Not from Burren, St Colmans, Queens or South Down. Is that good enough for you?

Still playing division 1 football, has a young family & full time job, no coaching experience outside of school.

Probably not a candidate  for the main man role.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 22, 2022, 09:29:08 AM
Massive games tonight for a few teams especially in division 1b, Ballyholland need to win or else they looked doomed and Byransford also need to win or else they will be cut adrift. Bryansford have  been good for a large majority of the year and were unlucky not to make the top 4 but could be going to division 2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 22, 2022, 09:48:19 AM
Just a small opinion but does anyone else think the county website needs an update. The results do come through well but I find it hard to navigate at times. Take a look at the Antrim website, it looks excellent with great content and the leagues and results are very easy to find.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on July 22, 2022, 01:18:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 22, 2022, 09:48:19 AM
Just a small opinion but does anyone else think the county website needs an update. The results do come through well but I find it hard to navigate at times. Take a look at the Antrim website, it looks excellent with great content and the leagues and results are very easy to find.

I know its only for this season but the league tables look awful. The Division 4 league table only displays 5 of the teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on July 22, 2022, 02:15:56 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on July 22, 2022, 01:18:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 22, 2022, 09:48:19 AM
Just a small opinion but does anyone else think the county website needs an update. The results do come through well but I find it hard to navigate at times. Take a look at the Antrim website, it looks excellent with great content and the leagues and results are very easy to find.

I know its only for this season but the league tables look awful. The Division 4 league table only displays 5 of the teams.

It looks like they have only included the teams that were initially in Div 4a, in the Div 4 table.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 22, 2022, 03:21:30 PM
The system just needs to be updated, it's been like that since 2015and the shelf life of a website is circa 5 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 22, 2022, 11:09:57 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on July 22, 2022, 01:18:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 22, 2022, 09:48:19 AM
Just a small opinion but does anyone else think the county website needs an update. The results do come through well but I find it hard to navigate at times. Take a look at the Antrim website, it looks excellent with great content and the leagues and results are very easy to find.

I know its only for this season but the league tables look awful. The Division 4 league table only displays 5 of the teams.

It's a completely unnatural set of circumstances. The system is obviously set up to run off results posted to the server. The facility won't be there to fabricate a 'split league' interface so we are left with what we have. So be it. The site could probably do with a bit of a makeover alright. But you also need to take into consideration what is it's function. I'd say 90% of users if not more just use it for fixtures, results and tables. At the end of the day most people are going to pick up information outside of this from social media. So a more simplistic, cleaner site may be the option rather than something all singing all dancing that no one looks at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 23, 2022, 10:58:41 PM
John - in an otherwise brilliant episode - stop trying to keep her relevant ffs... Ruining the show. #podcast
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 24, 2022, 09:01:33 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 23, 2022, 10:58:41 PM
John - in an otherwise brilliant episode - stop trying to keep her relevant ffs... Ruining the show. #podcast

Tell us more!!

On another note JF is getting results with a very poor Bryansford team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 25, 2022, 08:42:31 AM
I am just after grabbing a coffee in Brennans and I was told that wee James will be put forward by county management to the county board tonight to be county senior manager 2023.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on July 25, 2022, 02:16:36 PM
To think we pushed Tally out the door..........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 25, 2022, 03:20:27 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 25, 2022, 02:16:36 PM
To think we pushed Tally out the door..........

No No No ! All clubs cannot take the blame for that.

Two neighboring clubs were to blame on that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on July 25, 2022, 03:25:21 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 25, 2022, 02:16:36 PM
To think we pushed Tally out the door..........

I'd say Tally was happy to go and leave the Down shít show behind him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 25, 2022, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 25, 2022, 03:20:27 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 25, 2022, 02:16:36 PM
To think we pushed Tally out the door..........

No No No ! All clubs cannot take the blame for that.

Two neighboring clubs were to blame on that.

Which clubs?

☕️
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 25, 2022, 07:25:45 PM
What date does the Down sfc begin?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on July 25, 2022, 07:35:12 PM
Yeah Tally made a good move.....
He is now working with good players in top class setup who are mad keen and proud to play for their manager and county. It was the complete opposite at Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on July 25, 2022, 08:14:50 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 25, 2022, 08:42:31 AM
I am just after grabbing a coffee in Brennans and I was told that wee James will be put forward by county management to the county board tonight to be county senior manager 2023.

You may get your coffee elsewhere from now on, someone in there is telling you porkies
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on July 25, 2022, 08:16:11 PM
Quote from: ardtole on July 25, 2022, 07:25:45 PM
What date does the Down sfc begin?

25th August
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 25, 2022, 08:24:27 PM
McCartan has gone!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on July 25, 2022, 08:36:41 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on July 25, 2022, 08:24:27 PM
McCartan has gone!

Don't blame James one bit for stepping down. Who's next for the job?  And can they get the best players out playing for Down. Hope they get the appointment sorted soon, so new man has full championship to see who he wants involved.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 25, 2022, 08:45:14 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on July 25, 2022, 08:36:41 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on July 25, 2022, 08:24:27 PM
McCartan has gone!

Don't blame James one bit for stepping down. Who's next for the job?  And can they get the best players out playing for Down. Hope they get the appointment sorted soon, so new man has full championship to see who he wants involved.
Realistically who would want it . I'd say it will be an outside man. Banty maybe
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 25, 2022, 08:57:43 PM
James gone after one season.

Truth Hurts keep your phone on you.

Could be the East Down man in the set up!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on July 25, 2022, 09:22:23 PM
If it were my choice it would be conor lavery and Marty clarke to suceed james... if they would take it....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 25, 2022, 10:11:01 PM
Apart from Laverty and Marty Clarke is there any other realistic names from within the county? If not those 2, an outside person would be the most likely. Whoever it is I hope all the players get on board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 25, 2022, 11:33:11 PM
Time for some of the Kilcoo know it alls to step up to the mantle now. Give it to Laverty surely - can't wait til see who would join him in a back room setup!! He wud definitely get ALL the Kilcoo players on board who are willing to play county and are fit for it - so that's 4 maximum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on July 25, 2022, 11:53:49 PM
McCartan did the right thing. He couldn't get a backroom team and the players didn't want him anyway. Time for a clean sweep and full rebuild.
Staying in Div 3 will be no easy task for Laverty & Co.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 26, 2022, 12:56:58 AM
Bar I think he's working in UL.. Cian O'Neill would be my choice to go for it, I thought he done well with Kildare and then he was in the background team for Galway this year.. Could have a point too prove.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on July 26, 2022, 01:20:02 AM
Down boys playing well in Chicago. Barry O Hagan has scored 4  21 in 3 games the stand out player. Three kilcoo boys playing really well Ryan Johnston, Dylan Ward and Caolim Docherty. From what I can see they should be playing County.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 26, 2022, 07:40:01 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 26, 2022, 12:56:58 AM
Bar I think he's working in UL.. Cian O'Neill would be my choice to go for it, I thought he done well with Kildare and then he was in the background team for Galway this year.. Could have a point too prove.
Why would he leave Galway. A team capable of winning Sam with a few tweaks. He is better as a  coach like Paddy Tally. But Tally should've got more time. Wee James hadn't a chance . We need someone like Gallagher at Derry who gets the players to all fall in behind him. Those who don't want to play forget about them work with those hungry to play for the county. Laverty and Clarke are going well at U20 I'd say they're happy to stay there. But if they got senior it's not a 3 yr job they need 5 years at least to start something .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 26, 2022, 08:24:37 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 26, 2022, 07:40:01 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 26, 2022, 12:56:58 AM
Bar I think he's working in UL.. Cian O'Neill would be my choice to go for it, I thought he done well with Kildare and then he was in the background team for Galway this year.. Could have a point too prove.
Why would he leave Galway. A team capable of winning Sam with a few tweaks. He is better as a  coach like Paddy Tally. But Tally should've got more time. Wee James hadn't a chance . We need someone like Gallagher at Derry who gets the players to all fall in behind him. Those who don't want to play forget about them work with those hungry to play for the county. Laverty and Clarke are going well at U20 I'd say they're happy to stay there. But if they got senior it's not a 3 yr job they need 5 years at least to start something .

Ohh I fully agree we need someone like Gallagher who will take no shit but there isn't many of his elk around as far as I know??.. Back to O'Neill only thing I can think for him to leave would be the travelling, I'm not sure where he is living why I would even approach him just to see if somewhere closer to home would be of interest too him.

Malachy O'Rourke is another name I wouldn't mind us going for although depends how Glen go in Derry if he'll want to change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 26, 2022, 08:47:12 AM
We need a headmaster to control these boys ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 26, 2022, 08:49:10 AM

Jason Sherlock could be Monaghan's next manager Picture: Seamus Loughran.

DOWN are on the look-out for a new manager following James McCartan's decision to step down last night after one year in charge.

In a statement, the Down County Board thanked McCartan and his backroom staff, including Aidan O'Rourke and Ronan McMahon, for their service since taking charge last November.

"James McCartan will always be regarded as an iconic figure of Down football," read the statement.

"He has given outstanding service to his county as a player and manager, and we wish him well."

The double All-Ireland winning forward stepped into the breach after county officials missed out on trying to land former Donegal manager Jim McGuinness.

Down officials will now embark on yet another managerial search.

Conor Laverty, Benny Coulter, Marty Clarke, Steven Poacher would be regarded as the new generation of coaches emerging in the county, but the big question is whether any of them would feel they'd have the tools to turn the job into a success.

Clarke and Poacher are currently managing Mayobridge, while Coulter has moved to Rostrover. There were rumours linking the latter to the Down minor post while Kilcoo's Conor Laverty, another highly-rated coach, is making gains with Down's U20s but may feel the timing is not right to step into the senior post.

The experienced Ross Carr is currently with north Belfast club Ardoyne Kickham's and it remains to be seen if the split season would tempt him back to the role he held back in the mid-to-late 'Noughties'.

McCartan's year in charge was a tumultuous one. Player departures, poor results and disciplinary issues summed up 2022 for the Down footballers, while Caolan Mooney later weighed in with some stinging criticism of the set-up.

Despite Mooney's acerbic assessment it was generally accepted McCartan taking on the job at such short notice was a generous act on his part but chances of success were always limited.

It was no surprise the Mournemen were relegated to Division Three of the National Football League before being swept aside by Monaghan in the Ulster Championship.

McCartan had threatened to walk out on the eve of the Monaghan game after some players breached an agreed curfew while on a training weekend in Dublin.

Down's season finished in a first round Tailteann Cup defeat to Cavan.

In his first spell in charge, McCartan guided his native county to the 2010 All-Ireland final and generally raised standards for the next four seasons in charge.

Since then, Jim McCorry, Eamonn Burns (RIP) and Paddy Tally have all held the post.

Down's club championship begins at the end of August.

Meanwhile, Jason Sherlock is expected to be installed as Monaghan senior football manager next week with former team-mate Kevin Nolan understood to be in line to assist him.

Monaghan officials are keen to find Seamus McEnaney's successor before the start of the club championship which gets underway next month.

Sherlock comes with tremendous pedigree having starred for the Dublin footballers and won an All-Ireland title in his first season in 1995.

After his inter-county retirement in 2013, he became later part of Jim Gavin's backroom team and was also joint manager of the Dublin minor team in 2017.

The Monaghan post is a daunting assignment for the next manager. And if Sherlock accepts the offer, he will probably have to oversee a rebuilding job.

Darren and Kieran Hughes, Karl O'Connell and Conor McManus are in the twilight of their inter-county careers but there are no indications that any of these Monaghan stalwarts are considering retirement at this stage.

Nolan, who played alongside Sherlock for the Sky Blues in the 'Noughties', has been playing his football for Monaghan club Cremartin in recent years and would know the local scene well, which would be of huge benefit to the new manager.

Meanwhile, Colm O'Rourke has taken the plunge and accepted the role of Meath senior football manager and will be assisted by former Meath footballers Stephen Bray and Barry Callaghan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 26, 2022, 08:58:03 AM
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Ohh I fully agree we need someone like Gallagher who will take no shit but there isn't many of his elk around as far as I know??.. Back to O'Neill only thing I can think for him to leave would be the travelling, I'm not sure where he is living why I would even approach him just to see if somewhere closer to home would be of interest too him.

Malachy O'Rourke is another name I wouldn't mind us going for although depends how Glen go in Derry if he'll want to change.
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Please understand we are probably the least attractive county job out there at present. No regular training facility, an inept county board, players who would rather spoof on a podcast than put their shoulder to the wheel, players who won't commit to the county, huge player turnover in last few years - I agree with previous poster about it being a 5 year project - but that's two fold
1. People giving the management team that length of time to build and maintain a group of players
2. Players willing to put everything into the cause for this period of time with possibly little reward but in the knowledge they are leading us in the right direction again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on July 26, 2022, 09:04:14 AM
James McCartan owes Down nothing, came in late to pull the county out of a hole. It doesn't matter who we get unless the players in the county commit, if they do then the future is bright, if not then we may get used to division 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 26, 2022, 09:55:06 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 26, 2022, 08:58:03 AM
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Ohh I fully agree we need someone like Gallagher who will take no shit but there isn't many of his elk around as far as I know??.. Back to O'Neill only thing I can think for him to leave would be the travelling, I'm not sure where he is living why I would even approach him just to see if somewhere closer to home would be of interest too him.

Malachy O'Rourke is another name I wouldn't mind us going for although depends how Glen go in Derry if he'll want to change.
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Please understand we are probably the least attractive county job out there at present. No regular training facility, an inept county board, players who would rather spoof on a podcast than put their shoulder to the wheel, players who won't commit to the county, huge player turnover in last few years - I agree with previous poster about it being a 5 year project - but that's two fold
1. People giving the management team that length of time to build and maintain a group of players
2. Players willing to put everything into the cause for this period of time with possibly little reward but in the knowledge they are leading us in the right direction again.
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The county executive is trying their best and they are trying to take the county forward, let's be honest ten years ago so the country's finances were in a dire mess, and time was spent getting these correct and they are in a better position now becuase of this. It's very easy to blame a few dedicated volunteers who probably spend all their spare time sorting stuff off. I laugh when I see comments on Facebook or Twitter saying sack the county board. Yeah right as there have been loads of nominations for officers at  convention recently. Before you complain have you volunteered?

Whoever we get needs the players to respect the manager the jersey and the tradition of Down GAA. Last year the PLAYERS did not respect the jersey, if they felt the setup was not perfect then that's okay but do not disrespect the jerseys and history of this county. Spilling the beans to that clown Colm Parkinson served no purpose and it made us look like a laughing stock.

Laverty might not be everyone's cup of tea but I think he would get rid of the spoofers and get a winning culture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 26, 2022, 09:56:16 AM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on July 26, 2022, 01:20:02 AM
Down boys playing well in Chicago. Barry O Hagan has scored 4  21 in 3 games the stand out player. Three kilcoo boys playing really well Ryan Johnston, Dylan Ward and Caolim Docherty. From what I can see they should be playing County.
Dont know where you heard that from.The Kilcoo ones are generally subs in the games so far in Chicago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 26, 2022, 10:00:05 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on July 26, 2022, 09:56:16 AM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on July 26, 2022, 01:20:02 AM
Down boys playing well in Chicago. Barry O Hagan has scored 4  21 in 3 games the stand out player. Three kilcoo boys playing really well Ryan Johnston, Dylan Ward and Caolim Docherty. From what I can see they should be playing County.
Dont know where you heard that from.The Kilcoo ones are generally subs in the games so far in Chicago.

What standard is that though, East Down reserve league stuff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 26, 2022, 01:58:41 PM
 It'll be interesting to see who the Selection Panel are.The last lot failed miserably in allowing the process to go on so long.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on July 26, 2022, 02:59:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 26, 2022, 10:00:05 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on July 26, 2022, 09:56:16 AM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on July 26, 2022, 01:20:02 AM
Down boys playing well in Chicago. Barry O Hagan has scored 4  21 in 3 games the stand out player. Three kilcoo boys playing really well Ryan Johnston, Dylan Ward and Caolim Docherty. From what I can see they should be playing County.
Dont know where you heard that from.The Kilcoo ones are generally subs in the games so far in Chicago.

What standard is that though, East Down reserve league stuff?

Probably a slightly higher standard than a division 4 reserve team given the huge amount of county players playing for various teams over there, and getting paid to do so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 26, 2022, 03:04:57 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 26, 2022, 08:58:03 AM
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Ohh I fully agree we need someone like Gallagher who will take no shit but there isn't many of his elk around as far as I know??.. Back to O'Neill only thing I can think for him to leave would be the travelling, I'm not sure where he is living why I would even approach him just to see if somewhere closer to home would be of interest too him.

Malachy O'Rourke is another name I wouldn't mind us going for although depends how Glen go in Derry if he'll want to change.
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Please understand we are probably the least attractive county job out there at present. No regular training facility, an inept county board, players who would rather spoof on a podcast than put their shoulder to the wheel, players who won't commit to the county, huge player turnover in last few years - I agree with previous poster about it being a 5 year project - but that's two fold
1. People giving the management team that length of time to build and maintain a group of players
2. Players willing to put everything into the cause for this period of time with possibly little reward but in the knowledge they are leading us in the right direction again.
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I get what your saying - but apparently the Co Board almost talked Jim into taking the job last year so MOR should be at least approached, he's built teams before and give him the time he needs if he's interested.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on July 26, 2022, 03:29:02 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 26, 2022, 03:04:57 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 26, 2022, 08:58:03 AM


Ohh I fully agree we need someone like Gallagher who will take no shit but there isn't many of his elk around as far as I know??.. Back to O'Neill only thing I can think for him to leave would be the travelling, I'm not sure where he is living why I would even approach him just to see if somewhere closer to home would be of interest too him.

Malachy O'Rourke is another name I wouldn't mind us going for although depends how Glen go in Derry if he'll want to change.

Please understand we are probably the least attractive county job out there at present. No regular training facility, an inept county board, players who would rather spoof on a podcast than put their shoulder to the wheel, players who won't commit to the county, huge player turnover in last few years - I agree with previous poster about it being a 5 year project - but that's two fold
1. People giving the management team that length of time to build and maintain a group of players
2. Players willing to put everything into the cause for this period of time with possibly little reward but in the knowledge they are leading us in the right direction again.




horseshíte about Jim McGuinness.

He's holding out for a soccer job, preferably in Ireland, and didn't want to be the main man on the ticket and neither did Marty Clarke or Laverty.

Down CB were wasting their time on him, time to get real and go with an up and coming coach happy to take on a Div3/4 team and build from there.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on July 26, 2022, 03:36:55 PM
I'd say the Down job is the most unappealing job in the country at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 26, 2022, 03:40:52 PM
 Laverty and Gilligan would be great with mickey moran as an advisor to them.

I think Moran could be coaxed back into a ticket of some sort.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 26, 2022, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on June 08, 2022, 08:11:00 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 13, 2022, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2022, 10:48:06 PM
Down better going with 30 players who want to play for Down and not disappear to America, Australia or drop if the panel. Derry went through 107 players in less than 10yrs, it was a joke. Down beat Derry in Newry 2yrs ago. Gallagher got rid of maybe 8/10 players I have thought good enough to start / on the panel. Due to either attitude or couldn't commit. Down gonna go the same way. Derry keep Slaughtneil on board to backbone the team, Kilcoo seem to they too good for the county team.
I think we're all up for building for the future but if we look back at the most recent plan prior to this,we know the results of that by our current situation.Who was in charge of implementing that and who is in charge of bringing this latest idea to fruition?The answer to this is critical as to the prospects of this plan succeeding.
Can't get my head around James and Co. staying on.Dressing room has long been lost and will probably not be got back.Just leave and let's have a clean sweep of the whole set-up.
Thank the Lord!Common sense has prevailed.Let's get it right this time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on July 26, 2022, 05:26:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 26, 2022, 09:55:06 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 26, 2022, 08:58:03 AM
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Ohh I fully agree we need someone like Gallagher who will take no shit but there isn't many of his elk around as far as I know??.. Back to O'Neill only thing I can think for him to leave would be the travelling, I'm not sure where he is living why I would even approach him just to see if somewhere closer to home would be of interest too him.

Malachy O'Rourke is another name I wouldn't mind us going for although depends how Glen go in Derry if he'll want to change.

Please understand we are probably the least attractive county job out there at present. No regular training facility, an inept county board, players who would rather spoof on a podcast than put their shoulder to the wheel, players who won't commit to the county, huge player turnover in last few years - I agree with previous poster about it being a 5 year project - but that's two fold
1. People giving the management team that length of time to build and maintain a group of players
2. Players willing to put everything into the cause for this period of time with possibly little reward but in the knowledge they are leading us in the right direction again.
[/quote]

The county executive is trying their best and they are trying to take the county forward, let's be honest ten years ago so the country's finances were in a dire mess, and time was spent getting these correct and they are in a better position now becuase of this. It's very easy to blame a few dedicated volunteers who probably spend all their spare time sorting stuff off. I laugh when I see comments on Facebook or Twitter saying sack the county board. Yeah right as there have been loads of nominations for officers at  convention recently. Before you complain have you volunteered?

Whoever we get needs the players to respect the manager the jersey and the tradition of Down GAA. Last year the PLAYERS did not respect the jersey, if they felt the setup was not perfect then that's okay but do not disrespect the jerseys and history of this county. Spilling the beans to that clown Colm Parkinson served no purpose and it made us look like a laughing stock.

Laverty might not be everyone's cup of tea but I think he would get rid of the spoofers and get a winning culture.
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Definitely in the bad books around Burren at the moment after the match a couple of weeks back. Might find some of the Burren lads wouldn't be keen on playing for CL as things stand.

Also no one has mentioned that CL is still playing. Is it possible to manage a senior co team and play club - especially if Kilcoo were to go on another Ulster/AI club run?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on July 27, 2022, 07:02:18 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on July 26, 2022, 01:58:41 PM
It'll be interesting to see who the Selection Panel are.The last lot failed miserably in allowing the process to go on so long.

The last lot found literally no one willing to take on the job and had to go begging James McCartan to bail the county out.

WTF do you expect?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 27, 2022, 07:32:57 AM
Gallagher has done very well with Derry but he's a core of players that have reached 6 of the last 8 Ulster minor finals. Surely Down need to sort their underage set up (massive potential) as much as appointing a top dog!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 27, 2022, 08:44:21 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 27, 2022, 07:32:57 AM
Gallagher has done very well with Derry but he's a core of players that have reached 6 of the last 8 Ulster minor finals. Surely Down need to sort their underage set up (massive potential) as much as appointing a top dog!

Down u16s are in an All Ireland B final and beat Mayo last week in Mayo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 27, 2022, 05:30:35 PM
Ross Carrs piece in the IN today makes for painful reading of potentially why we are heading for div 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: covid20 on July 27, 2022, 05:34:43 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 27, 2022, 05:30:35 PM
Ross Carrs piece in the IN today makes for painful reading of potentially why we are heading for div 4.
Ross and the IN are a good match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on July 27, 2022, 05:57:05 PM
Quote from: covid20 on July 27, 2022, 05:34:43 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 27, 2022, 05:30:35 PM
Ross Carrs piece in the IN today makes for painful reading of potentially why we are heading for div 4.
Ross and the IN are a good match.

An absolute perfect match ???. What ever happened to the Carr led Club Down enterprise?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on July 27, 2022, 06:02:16 PM
Did he say anything that wasn't correct ? It's about time people do start speaking up. The county is a shambles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 27, 2022, 06:48:53 PM
Would love to see this report he mentioned in the article, Co Board job for the boys rules through again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: covid20 on July 27, 2022, 07:25:37 PM
 Ross Carr should stand for election.Walk the walk instead of complaining about it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on July 27, 2022, 07:40:44 PM
Quote from: covid20 on July 27, 2022, 07:25:37 PM
Ross Carr should stand for election.Walk the walk instead of complaining about it.

You obviously know nothing about Ross Carr.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 27, 2022, 11:09:41 PM
Quote from: Lotto on July 27, 2022, 07:40:44 PM
Quote from: covid20 on July 27, 2022, 07:25:37 PM
Ross Carr should stand for election.Walk the walk instead of complaining about it.

You obviously know nothing about Ross Carr.
None of you do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on July 28, 2022, 08:35:21 AM
What happened McGarry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 28, 2022, 09:19:16 AM
Quote from: MATTSARACEN on July 28, 2022, 08:35:21 AM
What happened McGarry?
Please explain/expand on this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on July 28, 2022, 02:42:14 PM
RC in yesterday's IN. U20 Ulster win last year was a freak. What an obnoxious jealous AH.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on July 28, 2022, 04:14:51 PM
Quote from: MATTSARACEN on July 28, 2022, 08:35:21 AM
What happened McGarry?
Do you mean Ross McGarry CPN ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 28, 2022, 04:24:58 PM
Broken jaw
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 28, 2022, 04:50:29 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 28, 2022, 04:24:58 PM
Broken jaw
Terrible.How did it happen?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on July 28, 2022, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on July 28, 2022, 04:50:29 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 28, 2022, 04:24:58 PM
Broken jaw
Terrible.How did it happen?
Accidental clash at training Monday night. Broke in 3 places
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on July 28, 2022, 10:41:07 PM
Anyone have the dates for this year's championships?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 29, 2022, 08:48:09 AM
Quote from: Green+Gold on July 28, 2022, 10:41:07 PM
Anyone have the dates for this year's championships?
The weekends of Fri 26th Aug,Sept 9th,16th,23rd,30th with the SFC Final on Oct16th.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 29, 2022, 10:20:02 AM
All is not well in Mayobridge changing room. Calls for management heads and players split on if they want current management staying or not.
Burren v Kilcoo should be tasty tonight - with players back from the game at beginning of the month - there is potential of a few clashes on loose ball!!
Other winners tonight
CPN
Bryansford
Carryduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 29, 2022, 11:15:20 PM
Anyone at the Burren game? Very well refereed I hear - fair play to young Curran. A lad on the rise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on July 29, 2022, 11:37:11 PM
Burren fully deserved their win tonight. Oran murdock was outstanding at midfield and danny magill hit some good scores. Kilcoo were simply outplayed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on July 30, 2022, 08:24:07 AM
Curran must be around 5 years now, maybe matured this season which will be good to have in a few weeks. Been part of the Ulster scene too which will benefit us in long run. There's not many else added in same time who are progressing though which is worrying. Not for now but in 5 years.

Did Kilcoo put out their strongest side, I'd have thought after last game they may keep some in reserve.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 30, 2022, 08:38:11 PM
The fight to avoid that last relegation spot from D1 is going to be very tight.
Bryansford, Downpatrick or Loughinisland could all go down.
No room for error for any of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on July 30, 2022, 09:38:16 PM
I understand the tiebreaker for two or more teams is H2H, but what is the tiebreaker for 3 or more teams on same points? is it a H2H minileague or straight score difference? i see three teams are on 17 and Loughinisland on 15 so it is very possible a team could go down based on tiebreaker
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on July 30, 2022, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on July 30, 2022, 09:38:16 PM
I understand the tiebreaker for two or more teams is H2H, but what is the tiebreaker for 3 or more teams on same points? is it a H2H minileague or straight score difference? i see three teams are on 17 and Loughinisland on 15 so it is very possible a team could go down based on tiebreaker
2 is H2H,More than two it's point difference.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on July 31, 2022, 10:44:52 AM
Quote from: wobbller on July 30, 2022, 10:04:41 PM
2 is H2H,More than two it's point difference.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 01, 2022, 04:29:43 PM
Any decent reports from Kilcoo Burren game on Friday?

Was talking to a few older Burren patrons and they were very impressed with how the team is going. Don't know where all the reports are coming from for the discontent. According to a couple of prominent Burren men in Grounded, they see themselves as favourites for the championship. Apparently the bad blood over the last few weeks with the magpies has been the perfect motivation to take them to the next level. Are Burren worth a few pound in the bookmakers?

Who is most likely to go down from Div 1B? Starting to think RGU will go down as it looks like a straight shootout when they play Loughinisland in two weeks time!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 01, 2022, 04:43:14 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 01, 2022, 04:29:43 PM
Any decent reports from Kilcoo Burren game on Friday?

Was talking to a few older Burren patrons and they were very impressed with how the team is going. Don't know where all the reports are coming from for the discontent. According to a couple of prominent Burren men in Grounded, they see themselves as favourites for the championship. Apparently the bad blood over the last few weeks with the magpies has been the perfect motivation to take them to the next level. Are Burren worth a few pound in the bookmakers?

Who is most likely to go down from Div 1B? Starting to think RGU will go down as it looks like a straight shootout when they play Loughinisland in two weeks time!

Kilcoo had not one starter in the forward line from the All Ireland final in their starting forward line so I would hold off on organizing the victory parade through Warrenpoint. Kilcoo seconds are looking strong In premier reserves so I do not see the Kindgom collapsing just yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 01, 2022, 04:43:43 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on August 01, 2022, 04:40:53 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 01, 2022, 04:29:43 PM
Any decent reports from Kilcoo Burren game on Friday?

Was talking to a few older Burren patrons and they were very impressed with how the team is going. Don't know where all the reports are coming from for the discontent. According to a couple of prominent Burren men in Grounded, they see themselves as favourites for the championship. Apparently the bad blood over the last few weeks with the magpies has been the perfect motivation to take them to the next level. Are Burren worth a few pound in the bookmakers?

Who is most likely to go down from Div 1B? Starting to think RGU will go down as it looks like a straight shootout when they play Loughinisland in two weeks time!

That'll be a massive game.

Could be effectively a relegation play off although Bryan's could easily lose their next two & be in the mix too.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 01, 2022, 05:27:36 PM
Think it's rough on whoever goes down because so many team have equipped themselves really well in Division 1. I would've liked to have seen a 4th bottom v 2nd in D2 play off to make sure we get the strongest D1 possible in 2023. You just never know what Ford team will turn up but they seem to have won the important games around them. Beating Island was massive and they will fancy beating a struggling Rostrevor side on the last day of the season. If they can get one win between CPN and Carryduff they'll stay up-some season for them to be fair. Loughinisland play Warrenpoint on the last day of the season too, the game was originally down for Moygannon and now it's in Loughinisland. Anyone know what's happening there? Loughinisland need 2/3 wins to finish the season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 01, 2022, 09:04:45 PM
Anyone know when the dates and venues for each first round game of the championship will be announced? Have a wedding that weekend and assuming they will be played from Thursday to Monday? Intermediate if that makes any difference
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on August 01, 2022, 09:20:04 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 01, 2022, 05:27:36 PM
Think it's rough on whoever goes down because so many team have equipped themselves really well in Division 1. I would've liked to have seen a 4th bottom v 2nd in D2 play off to make sure we get the strongest D1 possible in 2023.

I'd have to disagree with this. In the last four years, only four promotion spots have been made available to Div 2 teams (2018 - 1, 2019 - 1, 2020 - 0, 2021 - 2). From those four teams that went up, Loughinisland (2018), Carryduff (2019) and RGU (2021) all could go on to be safe this year, so what's to say that Div 2 teams coming up won't be strong and can't hold their own?
I'd also argue that a lack of relegation last year may have potentially saved Loughinisland or Bryansford, two teams who may end up being safe this year when in any other year could have been playing Div 2. Point here is that they got a free pass last season, why give them another escape route?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 01, 2022, 10:16:41 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on August 01, 2022, 09:20:04 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 01, 2022, 05:27:36 PM
Think it's rough on whoever goes down because so many team have equipped themselves really well in Division 1. I would've liked to have seen a 4th bottom v 2nd in D2 play off to make sure we get the strongest D1 possible in 2023.

I'd have to disagree with this. In the last four years, only four promotion spots have been made available to Div 2 teams (2018 - 1, 2019 - 1, 2020 - 0, 2021 - 2). From those four teams that went up, Loughinisland (2018), Carryduff (2019) and RGU (2021) all could go on to be safe this year, so what's to say that Div 2 teams coming up won't be strong and can't hold their own?
I'd also argue that a lack of relegation last year may have potentially saved Loughinisland or Bryansford, two teams who may end up being safe this year when in any other year could have been playing Div 2. Point here is that they got a free pass last season, why give them another escape route?

Fourth bottom in Div 1 is in theory a lot stronger than 2nd in div 2, and a playoff would likely reflect that  Thus maintaining a stronger Div 1 and possibly avoiding sending another team down to div 2, to trounce the bottom half of that division. So many relegations in one season is ridiculous. Leagues could have been restructured over 2 seasons. While it maybe meant less dead rubber games towards the end of this season, it could mean we get more non-competitive games next season. Applies to other divisions too, as between top and bottom in each division there is quite a difference in standard (in my humble opinion).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 01, 2022, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on August 01, 2022, 10:16:41 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on August 01, 2022, 09:20:04 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 01, 2022, 05:27:36 PM
Think it's rough on whoever goes down because so many team have equipped themselves really well in Division 1. I would've liked to have seen a 4th bottom v 2nd in D2 play off to make sure we get the strongest D1 possible in 2023.

I'd have to disagree with this. In the last four years, only four promotion spots have been made available to Div 2 teams (2018 - 1, 2019 - 1, 2020 - 0, 2021 - 2). From those four teams that went up, Loughinisland (2018), Carryduff (2019) and RGU (2021) all could go on to be safe this year, so what's to say that Div 2 teams coming up won't be strong and can't hold their own?
I'd also argue that a lack of relegation last year may have potentially saved Loughinisland or Bryansford, two teams who may end up being safe this year when in any other year could have been playing Div 2. Point here is that they got a free pass last season, why give them another escape route?

Fourth bottom in Div 1 is in theory a lot stronger than 2nd in div 2, and a playoff would likely reflect that  Thus maintaining a stronger Div 1 and possibly avoiding sending another team down to div 2, to trounce the bottom half of that division. So many relegations in one season is ridiculous. Leagues could have been restructured over 2 seasons. While it maybe meant less dead rubber games towards the end of this season, it could mean we get more non-competitive games next season. Applies to other divisions too, as between top and bottom in each division there is quite a difference in standard (in my humble opinion).
The process was voted in by the County Board earlier in the year.Spilt milk and all that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 01, 2022, 10:43:47 PM
One swallow doesn't make a summer as they say.  lads at work going to games, Kilcoo are the team to beat. Doesn't mean they are beatable, everyone is on their day but I'd be firmly keeping my money in my pocket instead of betting against them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 02, 2022, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: wobbller on August 01, 2022, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on August 01, 2022, 10:16:41 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on August 01, 2022, 09:20:04 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 01, 2022, 05:27:36 PM
Think it's rough on whoever goes down because so many team have equipped themselves really well in Division 1. I would've liked to have seen a 4th bottom v 2nd in D2 play off to make sure we get the strongest D1 possible in 2023.

I'd have to disagree with this. In the last four years, only four promotion spots have been made available to Div 2 teams (2018 - 1, 2019 - 1, 2020 - 0, 2021 - 2). From those four teams that went up, Loughinisland (2018), Carryduff (2019) and RGU (2021) all could go on to be safe this year, so what's to say that Div 2 teams coming up won't be strong and can't hold their own?
I'd also argue that a lack of relegation last year may have potentially saved Loughinisland or Bryansford, two teams who may end up being safe this year when in any other year could have been playing Div 2. Point here is that they got a free pass last season, why give them another escape route?

Fourth bottom in Div 1 is in theory a lot stronger than 2nd in div 2, and a playoff would likely reflect that  Thus maintaining a stronger Div 1 and possibly avoiding sending another team down to div 2, to trounce the bottom half of that division. So many relegations in one season is ridiculous. Leagues could have been restructured over 2 seasons. While it maybe meant less dead rubber games towards the end of this season, it could mean we get more non-competitive games next season. Applies to other divisions too, as between top and bottom in each division there is quite a difference in standard (in my humble opinion).
The process was voted in by the County Board earlier in the year.Spilt milk and all that.

Fully aware that it was voted in and it is the case. Not crying about it, just giving an opinion. I believed this was allowed on a discussion board, apologies.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 02, 2022, 10:30:13 AM
The reserve championships need to be looked at for next year. They should start after the first round of the senior, inter, and junior championships. Kilcoo, Carryduff, Burren, and Mayobridge are in the reserve finals this week and they have the biggest panels so this way suits them. Micheal Rooney got Ulster player of the year in 2021 and is playing in a reserve championship. That is not right.

Relegation was always going to be a hard one for this season and when the fixtures came out it was a race to get into the top 4 and secure your status and start preparing for the championship. The top 4 in divisions one and three are being played cautiously and teams and giving players the opportunity to experience top-flight football. They were awarded the opportunity when they finished in that position.

The race for the last relegation spot in one is very hard to call.  Carryduff and Bryansford have tough games in the run-in. Next year division 2 will be interesting and I do not think the team who joins the bottom 3 will have a cakewalk in division 2 next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 02, 2022, 12:45:07 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 02, 2022, 10:30:13 AM
The reserve championships need to be looked at for next year. They should start after the first round of the senior, inter, and junior championships. Kilcoo, Carryduff, Burren, and Mayobridge are in the reserve finals this week and they have the biggest panels so this way suits them. Micheal Rooney got Ulster player of the year in 2021 and is playing in a reserve championship. That is not right.

Relegation was always going to be a hard one for this season and when the fixtures came out it was a race to get into the top 4 and secure your status and start preparing for the championship. The top 4 in divisions one and three are being played cautiously and teams and giving players the opportunity to experience top-flight football. They were awarded the opportunity when they finished in that position.

The race for the last relegation spot in one is very hard to call.  Carryduff and Bryansford have tough games in the run-in. Next year division 2 will be interesting and I do not think the team who joins the bottom 3 will have a cakewalk in division 2 next year.

Can't agree with that, as that would lead to even more unfulfilled fixtures or simply fewer teams entering. It's ok for SFC teams to have players ruled out of reserves as they have the panels to cope, but many div 3 and 4 teams will have small panels, and if they get a couple of injuries to top 13 players they will need men playing reserves and IFC/JFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 02, 2022, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 02, 2022, 10:30:13 AM
The reserve championships need to be looked at for next year. They should start after the first round of the senior, inter, and junior championships. Kilcoo, Carryduff, Burren, and Mayobridge are in the reserve finals this week and they have the biggest panels so this way suits them. Micheal Rooney got Ulster player of the year in 2021 and is playing in a reserve championship. That is not right.

Relegation was always going to be a hard one for this season and when the fixtures came out it was a race to get into the top 4 and secure your status and start preparing for the championship. The top 4 in divisions one and three are being played cautiously and teams and giving players the opportunity to experience top-flight football. They were awarded the opportunity when they finished in that position.

The race for the last relegation spot in one is very hard to call.  Carryduff and Bryansford have tough games in the run-in. Next year division 2 will be interesting and I do not think the team who joins the bottom 3 will have a cakewalk in division 2 next year.

By the same token if Micheal Rooney or any other footballer for that matter, player of the year or not, is studying overseas and can't return to play Senior football on a Friday night but has a chance to play for their club on a Saturday...do we want to block this? It's not as if Kilcoo are putting out 7/8 starting seniors every reserve match. I would argue in this case the system has worked well for a fella like Micheal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 02, 2022, 03:36:26 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 02, 2022, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 02, 2022, 10:30:13 AM
The reserve championships need to be looked at for next year. They should start after the first round of the senior, inter, and junior championships. Kilcoo, Carryduff, Burren, and Mayobridge are in the reserve finals this week and they have the biggest panels so this way suits them. Micheal Rooney got Ulster player of the year in 2021 and is playing in a reserve championship. That is not right.

Relegation was always going to be a hard one for this season and when the fixtures came out it was a race to get into the top 4 and secure your status and start preparing for the championship. The top 4 in divisions one and three are being played cautiously and teams and giving players the opportunity to experience top-flight football. They were awarded the opportunity when they finished in that position.

The race for the last relegation spot in one is very hard to call.  Carryduff and Bryansford have tough games in the run-in. Next year division 2 will be interesting and I do not think the team who joins the bottom 3 will have a cakewalk in division 2 next year.

By the same token if Micheal Rooney or any other footballer for that matter, player of the year or not, is studying overseas and can't return to play Senior football on a Friday night but has a chance to play for their club on a Saturday...do we want to block this? It's not as if Kilcoo are putting out 7/8 starting seniors every reserve match. I would argue in this case the system has worked well for a fella like Micheal.

I just think that the reserve championships are dominated by the same clubs year on year and these rules are helping them increase the stranglehold. When has a second division team last won a reserve championship in any manner?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 02, 2022, 04:00:37 PM
The rules aren't helping them.

By accident or design, over the past decade, CCC have tried out every combination of concurrent vs prior reserve championships, named 13 vs/plus SFC ineligibility.

And you know what.... The strongest teams in the SFC have continued to be the strongest teams in the reserve championships too.

Which really is how it should be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 02, 2022, 04:36:13 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 02, 2022, 03:36:26 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 02, 2022, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 02, 2022, 10:30:13 AM
The reserve championships need to be looked at for next year. They should start after the first round of the senior, inter, and junior championships. Kilcoo, Carryduff, Burren, and Mayobridge are in the reserve finals this week and they have the biggest panels so this way suits them. Micheal Rooney got Ulster player of the year in 2021 and is playing in a reserve championship. That is not right.

Relegation was always going to be a hard one for this season and when the fixtures came out it was a race to get into the top 4 and secure your status and start preparing for the championship. The top 4 in divisions one and three are being played cautiously and teams and giving players the opportunity to experience top-flight football. They were awarded the opportunity when they finished in that position.

The race for the last relegation spot in one is very hard to call.  Carryduff and Bryansford have tough games in the run-in. Next year division 2 will be interesting and I do not think the team who joins the bottom 3 will have a cakewalk in division 2 next year.

By the same token if Micheal Rooney or any other footballer for that matter, player of the year or not, is studying overseas and can't return to play Senior football on a Friday night but has a chance to play for their club on a Saturday...do we want to block this? It's not as if Kilcoo are putting out 7/8 starting seniors every reserve match. I would argue in this case the system has worked well for a fella like Micheal.

I just think that the reserve championships are dominated by the same clubs year on year and these rules are helping them increase the stranglehold. When has a second division team last won a reserve championship in any manner?

The largest panels and clubs with the strongest senior teams are always more likely to win than a division 2 team....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on August 02, 2022, 05:07:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 02, 2022, 04:00:37 PM
The rules aren't helping them.

By accident or design, over the past decade, CCC have tried out every combination of concurrent vs prior reserve championships, named 13 vs/plus SFC ineligibility.

And you know what.... The strongest teams in the SFC have continued to be the strongest teams in the reserve championships too.

Which really is how it should be.

Yeah, that's it. I've been involved with reserves as a young player and a nearly retired player and you can't get it 100% right. I always thought 10 minutes at the end of a SFC/IFC shouldn't stop you playing the following year. Personally getting it over before SFC starts worked best because if you started with a group of players then 4 of them come on in the SFC you're getting hammered in a semi final or whatever.

If you have 3 teams but only enter a team in the RFC not the PRFC that's not fair on other sides. The strongest teams in SFC should be winning the PRFC and then the RFC will have the better semi retired players too. That's just football. I think the Fr Davies/Felix Darby for the teams that went out of the championship was a good idea, keeps those lads playing for another few weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 02, 2022, 06:13:53 PM
Yep!

Being a reserve manager, and watching your team's spine being ripped apart in a dead rubber SFC match, is as little fun as you can have in the GAA.

Tbh, I think that if a) we will continue with the back door in SFC/IFC , and b) we will continue with Reserves being finished before the first team championships, then I think the right system is that anyone who played (even for a minute) in 2 or more first team championship matches the previous season, should be excluded (and your named 13 has to come from this list). And in the unlikely event that a club doesn't end up with 13+ excluded players, it then reverts to the named 13 they dream up.

Onus should be on club secretaries to return a list of excluded players before the start of the season.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 02, 2022, 10:07:26 PM
Charging U12's into championship games....

Are we that desperate for money?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 03, 2022, 08:50:59 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 02, 2022, 06:13:53 PM
Yep!

Being a reserve manager, and watching your team's spine being ripped apart in a dead rubber SFC match, is as little fun as you can have in the GAA.

Tbh, I think that if a) we will continue with the back door in SFC/IFC , and b) we will continue with Reserves being finished before the first team championships, then I think the right system is that anyone who played (even for a minute) in 2 or more first team championship matches the previous season, should be excluded (and your named 13 has to come from this list). And in the unlikely event that a club doesn't end up with 13+ excluded players, it then reverts to the named 13 they dream up.

Onus should be on club secretaries to return a list of excluded players before the start of the season.

Excluded lists should be listed on the website, I do not see why they don't.

If playing reserve championships before senior etc then it should be excluded senior 16 intermediate 14 and junior 12 players.

The B competitions are good but seed the first round of fixtures as it will be Burren v Clonduff in the final of the PRFC B this weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 03, 2022, 08:56:37 AM
In roughly 12 hours you've gone from wondering why D2 teams aren't competitive at reserve level, to recommending seeding so we can ensure that it never happens again.

You're hard to keep up with.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 03, 2022, 11:43:09 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 03, 2022, 08:56:37 AM
In roughly 12 hours you've gone from wondering why D2 teams aren't competitive at reserve level, to recommending seeding so we can ensure that it never happens again.

You're hard to keep up with.

Teachers.. you know what there like, career gets in the way of their drinking hobby, get a bit dopey during the summer so they do
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 03, 2022, 02:28:40 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 03, 2022, 11:43:09 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 03, 2022, 08:56:37 AM
In roughly 12 hours you've gone from wondering why D2 teams aren't competitive at reserve level, to recommending seeding so we can ensure that it never happens again.

You're hard to keep up with.

Teachers.. you know what there like, career gets in the way of their drinking hobby, get a bit dopey during the summer so they do
And the other 3 seasons also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 03, 2022, 02:32:56 PM
Serious question, what has happened Ballyholland this season? I know they've a couple of lads away to the states but they've had some really good runs in the championship this last few years and been very competitive in D1 for a while now. It's not just that they've been relegated but they haven't won a game in about 10 weeks which is unheard of for them. Any Harps people here have an insight? Know the management were  pushed out, was it because of the fallout?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 03, 2022, 10:15:39 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 03, 2022, 02:32:56 PM
Serious question, what has happened Ballyholland this season? I know they've a couple of lads away to the states but they've had some really good runs in the championship this last few years and been very competitive in D1 for a while now. It's not just that they've been relegated but they haven't won a game in about 10 weeks which is unheard of for them. Any Harps people here have an insight? Know the management were  pushed out, was it because of the fallout?

What fallout?? I assumed it was because of results???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 04, 2022, 09:16:53 AM
It's mad to think that Glenn is in trouble of heading to division 3, they need a win in the Stone tomorrow night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 04, 2022, 09:50:31 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 04, 2022, 09:16:53 AM
It's mad to think that Glenn is in trouble of heading to division 3, they need a win in the Stone tomorrow night
That's the way leagues work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 05, 2022, 08:51:11 AM
Heard from a reputable figure in Down GAA circles this morning in Urban that Laverty is senior manager and Benny the minor manager. They just have to finalize the backroom teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 05, 2022, 09:39:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 25, 2022, 08:42:31 AM
I am just after grabbing a coffee in Brennans and I was told that wee James will be put forward by county management to the county board tonight to be county senior manager 2023.

This was from you just over a week ago . There are bound to be easier ways to get attention ....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on August 05, 2022, 10:55:16 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 05, 2022, 08:51:11 AM
Heard from a reputable figure in Down GAA circles this morning in Urban that Laverty is senior manager and Benny the minor manager. They just have to finalize the backroom teams.
Urban Cafe in the 'Town has been closed since Wednesday due to a Covid issue so was this a dream you had overnight or are you just nuts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down94 on August 05, 2022, 01:52:53 PM
Heard from a source from within the club that Burren payed a certain high profile player the same amount they were set to receive from a club in America in order to stay this summer. Does anyone know if there's any truth to this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 05, 2022, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: Down94 on August 05, 2022, 01:52:53 PM
Heard from a source from within the club that Burren payed a certain high profile player the same amount they were set to receive from a club in America in order to stay this summer. Does anyone know if there's any truth to this?

Absolute fact. It's ok having the backing of a oligarch - we all don't have that privilege.

Massive games tonight - I expect CPN to beat Ford, Carryduff to win, Loughinisland and Rostrevor to win as well. Burren to beat Bridge and Kilcoo thirds to beat Clonduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on August 05, 2022, 03:38:52 PM
Quote from: Down94 on August 05, 2022, 01:52:53 PM
Heard from a source from within the club that Burren payed a certain high profile player the same amount they were set to receive from a club in America in order to stay this summer. Does anyone know if there's any truth to this?
Bit of a let down there with your first post.Old news!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on August 06, 2022, 05:45:50 PM
 Tight group in Div 1B trying to avoid the already doomed bottom three.Similar fight for the top two in Div2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 06, 2022, 10:16:52 PM
Division 1B - Ford, Island and RGU - one of them to be relegated. It has to be Ford or Island to go as RGU are probably best equipped to stay up.
Kilcoo and Clonduff successful today in championships. Has the reserve element lost its value with only top 13 players now not allowed to play for clubs? Clonduff panel particularly strong today and Kilcoo with Ulster player of the year able to play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 07, 2022, 06:36:09 AM
Clonduff didn't win a championship yesterday
Call it what it is ffs
They were knocked out of it by Ballyholland
Kilcoo won it
4 semi finalists were CPN Kilcoo Clonduff Carryduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 07, 2022, 06:50:42 AM
Ballyholland the other semi finalists not Clonduff
That's what is wrong with clubs
Celebrating a cup they were knocked out off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on August 07, 2022, 06:34:57 PM
Any word on the Down job yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 07, 2022, 08:41:52 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on August 07, 2022, 06:34:57 PM
Any word on the Down job yet?

Yours if you want it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: paddyjohn on August 07, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
Oisin McManus hurling for St Johns now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 08, 2022, 09:36:53 AM
Quote from: paddyjohn on August 07, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
Oisin McManus hurling for St Johns now?

Has been since the start of the year.

A Murphy transferred in from Rossa to Liatroim with another one allegedly to follow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on August 08, 2022, 06:25:53 PM
Joe.ie say Conor Laverty to be announced as new manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 08, 2022, 06:37:07 PM
Rte reporting similar.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on August 08, 2022, 07:43:39 PM
If it is Laverty then good luck to him. Hopefully he can get the best players wanting to really commit to the county for a few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 08, 2022, 07:46:06 PM
Official on Down twatter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 08, 2022, 07:56:14 PM
Interesting to see who the panel will be now - plenty of players have had run ins with Laverty over the years (young and old).

Also I take it this is Laverty retired from Football? Be some going to manage county then tog out for club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on August 08, 2022, 08:14:38 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 08, 2022, 07:56:14 PM
Interesting to see who the panel will be now - plenty of players have had run ins with Laverty over the years (young and old).

Also I take it this is Laverty retired from Football? Be some going to manage county then tog out for club

And remains as U-20 manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on August 08, 2022, 08:27:25 PM
Best option at present for the role... good luck to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 08, 2022, 09:00:25 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on August 08, 2022, 08:27:25 PM
Best option at present for the role... good luck to them.

Well we finally have who the so called football experts wanted. Let's see how he gets on. Will be interesting to see do the Burren lads commit after his shenanigans in the league game in early July.
Division 3 title and a win in Ulster or it's not a successful season IMO.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on August 08, 2022, 09:17:07 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 08, 2022, 09:00:25 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on August 08, 2022, 08:27:25 PM
Best option at present for the role... good luck to them.

Well we finally have who the so called football experts wanted. Let's see how he gets on. Will be interesting to see do the Burren lads commit after his shenanigans in the league game in early July.
Division 3 title and a win in Ulster or it's not a successful season IMO.
I'd near swear you wished he failed. Time will tell but for now we should get behind them and give them all the support needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: African Sunset on August 08, 2022, 09:25:22 PM
Laverty works in Dublin during the week which is some hike coming from Kilcoo each day. On top of this he wants to remain involved with the U-20 and still tog out for the club.

Sounds like he's taking on a lot but why is someone who is untested at club level being given the county job?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 08, 2022, 09:39:39 PM
Best of luck to him. big job on, hopefully can get the best players in the county to commit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 08, 2022, 10:11:29 PM
Good luck to him. Needs to be given time. Massive job to be done here. Leave him at it for at least 5 years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on August 08, 2022, 10:17:02 PM
Let's hope all the players give it a real go, we need them all in the panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on August 08, 2022, 10:21:09 PM
Yeah Jonnyboys I can see your not a fan...  currently when it comes to ulster championship most experts talk of Tyrone, donegal derry monaghan and armagh. Down are not even considered in the equation. I'd expect under these boys we should start to see signs of gaining some respect next year in ulster and yes the main target is getting to div 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 08, 2022, 10:23:02 PM
Quote from: African Sunset on August 08, 2022, 09:25:22 PM
Laverty works in Dublin during the week which is some hike coming from Kilcoo each day. On top of this he wants to remain involved with the U-20 and still tog out for the club.

Sounds like he's taking on a lot but why is someone who is untested at club level being given the county job?

He's more than qualified as a coach and is the first man since Pete McGrath to win a provincial title as a Down minor/u20/senior manager. Couple that with a lack of candidates from those who have ploughed furrows at club level the past 10-15 years, and he's the obvious choice.

——

I wish Conor and co all the best. Kilcoo have shown it possible to beat everyone at club level without a seam of big men running through their side (that Finbarr's semi final being a classic case). Let's hope he finds a way to inject that understanding into the county team. An altogether tougher task no doubt, but I've a funny feeling there'll be a clearout for the first time in a long time, in trying to form a shape and style that allows Down to progress.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on August 08, 2022, 10:31:27 PM
Excellent news. Wish him all the best. He needs to be given time to bring his ideas through and I think staying on with the 20's shows that is the plan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on August 09, 2022, 12:04:09 AM
Well Johnnysboys, I would imagine that your opinion it will not be a successful year unless Down win the All Ireland and even  if they do you will find something to bitch about. Sad person.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 09, 2022, 12:19:24 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on August 09, 2022, 12:04:09 AM
Well Johnnysboys, I would imagine that your opinion it will not be a successful year unless Down win the All Ireland and even  if they do you will find something to bitch about. Sad person.

No where in my post have I mentioned an All Ireland - I'm not deluded like others on here.. The county board and 90% of supporters have gotten their man to take us out of the mire.. division 3 title is not too much to ask and one win in Ulster (draw being favourable) - I feel I'm being realistic. Back room team are "interesting" to say the least. I wonder will there be anyone from south down added to the ticket in the coming days. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 09, 2022, 06:40:28 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 09, 2022, 12:19:24 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on August 09, 2022, 12:04:09 AM
Well Johnnysboys, I would imagine that your opinion it will not be a successful year unless Down win the All Ireland and even  if they do you will find something to bitch about. Sad person.

No where in my post have I mentioned an All Ireland - I'm not deluded like others on here.. The county board and 90% of supporters have gotten their man to take us out of the mire.. division 3 title is not too much to ask and one win in Ulster (draw being favourable) - I feel I'm being realistic. Back room team are "interesting" to say the least. I wonder will there be anyone from south down added to the ticket in the coming days.
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Are An Riocht & Tullylish not south enough for your liking?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 09, 2022, 08:20:39 AM
Let's get behind Conor and the team, hopefully, he can change the mindset of the players and get everyone playing for Down. The talent is in the county to be competing at a much higher level. Darryl Brannian will hopefully go now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on August 09, 2022, 10:27:56 AM
From an outsider perspective this is an interesting appointment, was it done to appease the Kilcoo contingent or does he have a decent pedigree for managing?

Down seem to be a basket case so his first job would be to root out those that are not towing the line, and get the rest into a winning mindset.  Down are too big of a county not to be competing to some higher standard like. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SCFC on August 09, 2022, 10:44:26 AM
From another outsider's perspective, just wondering how many of last year's squad would be kept on? Would there be resentment towards the Kilcoo players like Eugene Branigan who turned down the county jersey last year and will now presumably be asked in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 09, 2022, 10:57:36 AM
If Laverty can heal the club differences then we can compete, Kilcoo has had big run-ins with clubs over the year which has created a siege mentality from the magpies, Eugene is not county standard IMO Great club player though. Conor has a good brain and will scour the county, his brother is coaching in the lower leagues so there is a good network out there. I will imagine he will try a few division 4 players, what the craic with Harrison?

The oligarchs in Burren must not be happy with Burren reserve defeats at the weekend after taking in a legend to train them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 09, 2022, 11:06:26 AM
Quote from: SCFC on August 09, 2022, 10:44:26 AM
From another outsider's perspective, just wondering how many of last year's squad would be kept on? Would there be resentment towards the Kilcoo players like Eugene Branigan who turned down the county jersey last year and will now presumably be asked in?

big conundrum alright.

Best of luck to him and his backroom team in sorting that one out, but it needs sorted out for Down to progress.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 09, 2022, 11:50:04 AM
Would Kevin McKernan be an option as a selector?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 09, 2022, 12:08:35 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on August 07, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
Oisin McManus hurling for St Johns now?

A lot of Liatriom people are unhappy about this as he is only in Belfast, its only a 40min trip. They should give the intermediate hurling a right rattle even without him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 09, 2022, 12:15:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 09, 2022, 12:08:35 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on August 07, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
Oisin McManus hurling for St Johns now?

A lot of Liatriom people are unhappy about this as he is only in Belfast, its only a 40min trip. They should give the intermediate hurling a right rattle even without him.

So a 40min trip each way, 80 minutes travelling 2/3 times a week. It's up to himself if he feels that doesn't suit him at the moment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 09, 2022, 12:16:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 09, 2022, 12:08:35 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on August 07, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
Oisin McManus hurling for St Johns now?

A lot of Liatriom people are unhappy about this as he is only in Belfast, its only a 40min trip. They should give the intermediate hurling a right rattle even without him.

Well they can take it up with his Da then, the one who put in a lot of work to get those fancy new lights up. Sure the new manager has brought his own son(s) down to play for them, swings and roundabouts.

Intermediate hurling is between them and Carryduff, Duff probably favourites, but a winnable game for the Fontenoys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on August 09, 2022, 12:40:09 PM
Hopefully CL gets the 3 Branagans and 3 Johnstons to fully commit.  His apt will obviously signal the end for a lot of the current panel but the panel needs an injection of new blood. Clean slate for everyone and I'm sure the Burren lads will weight in behind him just like they did at u20 level. 

Here's hoping for a brighter future for Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 09, 2022, 01:03:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 09, 2022, 11:50:04 AM
Would Kevin McKernan be an option as a selector?

NO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 09, 2022, 01:18:08 PM
Quote from: PTC on August 09, 2022, 01:03:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 09, 2022, 11:50:04 AM
Would Kevin McKernan be an option as a selector?

NO

You can't be foisting lads onto a new manager, let the pick who they can work with.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on August 09, 2022, 01:44:35 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 09, 2022, 12:19:24 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on August 09, 2022, 12:04:09 AM
Well Johnnysboys, I would imagine that your opinion it will not be a successful year unless Down win the All Ireland and even  if they do you will find something to bitch about. Sad person.

No where in my post have I mentioned an All Ireland - I'm not deluded like others on here.. The county board and 90% of supporters have gotten their man to take us out of the mire.. division 3 title is not too much to ask and one win in Ulster (draw being favourable) - I feel I'm being realistic. Back room team are "interesting" to say the least. I wonder will there be anyone from south down added to the ticket in the coming days.
Clarke and Morgan are both from South Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 09, 2022, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 09, 2022, 12:16:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 09, 2022, 12:08:35 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on August 07, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
Oisin McManus hurling for St Johns now?

A lot of Liatriom people are unhappy about this as he is only in Belfast, its only a 40min trip. They should give the intermediate hurling a right rattle even without him.

Well they can take it up with his Da then, the one who put in a lot of work to get those fancy new lights up. Sure the new manager has brought his own son(s) down to play for them, swings and roundabouts.

Intermediate hurling is between them and Carryduff, Duff probably favourites, but a winnable game for the Fontenoys.

Go on...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 09, 2022, 01:54:52 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 09, 2022, 12:08:35 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on August 07, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
Oisin McManus hurling for St Johns now?

A lot of Liatriom people are unhappy about this as he is only in Belfast, its only a 40min trip. They should give the intermediate hurling a right rattle even without him.

How many's a lot?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 09, 2022, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 09, 2022, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 09, 2022, 12:16:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 09, 2022, 12:08:35 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on August 07, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
Oisin McManus hurling for St Johns now?

A lot of Liatriom people are unhappy about this as he is only in Belfast, its only a 40min trip. They should give the intermediate hurling a right rattle even without him.

Well they can take it up with his Da then, the one who put in a lot of work to get those fancy new lights up. Sure the new manager has brought his own son(s) down to play for them, swings and roundabouts.

Intermediate hurling is between them and Carryduff, Duff probably favourites, but a winnable game for the Fontenoys.

Go on...

Are you saying his Da wasn't involved in the planning application for the lights?

I didn't get this from his Da either BTW, but another Liatroim lad involved in it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 09, 2022, 03:11:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 09, 2022, 12:08:35 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on August 07, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
Oisin McManus hurling for St Johns now?

A lot of Liatriom people are unhappy about this as he is only in Belfast, its only a 40min trip. They should give the intermediate hurling a right rattle even without him.

Strange that they'd be unhappy as he doesn't live in Leitrim & never has.
Transfered from another club & has now transfered away again.
C'est la vie

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 09, 2022, 04:40:57 PM
I think Conor should quit club football though as the club rivalries are really intense in Down and Kilcoo are focused in a lot due to their success. Every team at the top are envied. I do think a lot of players will step away and he will get the right player to fit his model. Chokers need to be chased and the primadonnas need to go too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 09, 2022, 05:18:33 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 09, 2022, 05:02:15 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 09, 2022, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 09, 2022, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 09, 2022, 12:16:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 09, 2022, 12:08:35 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on August 07, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
Oisin McManus hurling for St Johns now?

A lot of Liatriom people are unhappy about this as he is only in Belfast, its only a 40min trip. They should give the intermediate hurling a right rattle even without him.

Well they can take it up with his Da then, the one who put in a lot of work to get those fancy new lights up. Sure the new manager has brought his own son(s) down to play for them, swings and roundabouts.

Intermediate hurling is between them and Carryduff, Duff probably favourites, but a winnable game for the Fontenoys.

Go on...

Are you saying his Da wasn't involved in the planning application for the lights?

I didn't get this from his Da either BTW, but another Liatroim lad involved in it.
I'd say there are a few Rossa lads taking it up with his da ;D

Peculiar transfer on the Belfast end.

That's a particular part of it all that confused me as well.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 09, 2022, 06:11:03 PM

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Clarke and Morgan are both from South Down.
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Clarke lives in Newcastle - last time I checked that was East Down. Morgan originally from Tullylish - where does he live now though?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 09, 2022, 06:42:45 PM
Clarke used to live in Australia, didn't make him an Australian. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 09, 2022, 06:59:10 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 09, 2022, 12:16:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 09, 2022, 12:08:35 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on August 07, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
Oisin McManus hurling for St Johns now?

A lot of Liatriom people are unhappy about this as he is only in Belfast, its only a 40min trip. They should give the intermediate hurling a right rattle even without him.

Well they can take it up with his Da then, the one who put in a lot of work to get those fancy new lights up. Sure the new manager has brought his own son(s) down to play for them, swings and roundabouts.

Intermediate hurling is between them and Carryduff, Duff probably favourites, but a winnable game for the Fontenoys.

Niall MacManus is an electrical engineer who has a lot of experience in pitch lighting.
He's worked on a lot of them across the country.
Why wouldn't Liatroim ask for his help on a project?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 09, 2022, 10:23:12 PM
Quote from: ardtole on August 09, 2022, 06:42:45 PM
Clarke used to live in Australia, didn't make him an Australian.

It did while he was there.  When he moved home he became Irish again and then moved into East Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on August 09, 2022, 10:36:55 PM
Still a sad person Johnnysboys and getting sadder.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on August 10, 2022, 08:55:28 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 09, 2022, 10:23:12 PM
Quote from: ardtole on August 09, 2022, 06:42:45 PM
Clarke used to live in Australia, didn't make him an Australian.

It did while he was there.  When he moved home he became Irish again and then moved into East Down.
My god what a pointless argument. I'm currently in sligo on holidays. I must be a sligonian for the week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 10, 2022, 09:12:23 AM
I feel as big an eejit, for engaging with him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 10, 2022, 09:13:12 AM
The two big games of the weekend are in division 1b tomorrow. RGU v Loughinisland and Ford v Carryduff. Looking at the last round of fixtures I imagine that these four teams could win the last round so it means this weekend is so vital. Carryduff will really want to cement their safety to bed this weekend so I fear for Bryansford.
The games should be streamed by the clubs as they are so important.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 10, 2022, 09:34:48 AM
I was just looking on the website and on Monday 8th August there were the quarters of all 4 minor knockouts championship, b, c and d comps. Half the teams are finished for the year and won't kick another football for their clubs to 2023. Personally, I would like to see the underage season pushed on for another month or so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on August 10, 2022, 10:00:59 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 09, 2022, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 09, 2022, 01:53:47 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 09, 2022, 12:16:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 09, 2022, 12:08:35 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on August 07, 2022, 08:56:42 PM
Oisin McManus hurling for St Johns now?

A lot of Liatriom people are unhappy about this as he is only in Belfast, its only a 40min trip. They should give the intermediate hurling a right rattle even without him.

Well they can take it up with his Da then, the one who put in a lot of work to get those fancy new lights up. Sure the new manager has brought his own son(s) down to play for them, swings and roundabouts.

Intermediate hurling is between them and Carryduff, Duff probably favourites, but a winnable game for the Fontenoys.

Go on...

Are you saying his Da wasn't involved in the planning application for the lights?

I didn't get this from his Da either BTW, but another Liatroim lad involved in it.

Now johnny don't be at it, I said nothing at all.

For what it's worth it would be surprising if people weren't disappointed to lose a great hurler/coach and fella by all accounts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 10, 2022, 10:12:45 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 10, 2022, 09:13:12 AM
The two big games of the weekend are in division 1b tomorrow. RGU v Loughinisland and Ford v Carryduff. Looking at the last round of fixtures I imagine that these four teams could win the last round so it means this weekend is so vital. Carryduff will really want to cement their safety to bed this weekend so I fear for Bryansford.
The games should be streamed by the clubs as they are so important.

If you want to see the games pay your money at the gate and watch them, saying clubs should pay for streaming etc.. The shite you spout gets worse and worse
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 10, 2022, 11:40:04 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 10, 2022, 10:12:45 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 10, 2022, 09:13:12 AM
The two big games of the weekend are in division 1b tomorrow. RGU v Loughinisland and Ford v Carryduff. Looking at the last round of fixtures I imagine that these four teams could win the last round so it means this weekend is so vital. Carryduff will really want to cement their safety to bed this weekend so I fear for Bryansford.
The games should be streamed by the clubs as they are so important.

If you want to see the games pay your money at the gate and watch them, saying clubs should pay for streaming etc.. The shite you spout gets worse and worse

Fairly difficult to attend 2 games in different venues at the same time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 10, 2022, 11:44:27 AM
It's impossible.

What's fairly difficult is to watch two streamed games at once.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on August 10, 2022, 01:42:05 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on August 10, 2022, 11:40:04 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 10, 2022, 10:12:45 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 10, 2022, 09:13:12 AM
The two big games of the weekend are in division 1b tomorrow. RGU v Loughinisland and Ford v Carryduff. Looking at the last round of fixtures I imagine that these four teams could win the last round so it means this weekend is so vital. Carryduff will really want to cement their safety to bed this weekend so I fear for Bryansford.
The games should be streamed by the clubs as they are so important.

If you want to see the games pay your money at the gate and watch them, saying clubs should pay for streaming etc.. The shite you spout gets worse and worse

Fairly difficult to attend 2 games in different venues at the same time.
Let us know who wins TH.Are they playing each other on Friday night again? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 10, 2022, 02:08:10 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 10, 2022, 11:44:27 AM
It's impossible.

What's fairly difficult is to watch two streamed games at once.

That is actually very easy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 10, 2022, 05:48:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 10, 2022, 09:13:12 AM
The two big games of the weekend are in division 1b tomorrow. RGU v Loughinisland and Ford v Carryduff. Looking at the last round of fixtures I imagine that these four teams could win the last round so it means this weekend is so vital. Carryduff will really want to cement their safety to bed this weekend so I fear for Bryansford.
The games should be streamed by the clubs as they are so important.

You think Loughinisland will beat Warrenpoint on the last day? Their form isn't exactly good & the point have a lot of county lads back who missed the early part of the season.

I can see Bryansford & Downpatrick both winning last round (against Castlewellan & Rostrevor) so Loughinisland need to beat Downpatrick.
Could be effectively a relegation play off & hard to call.


Carryduff & Warrenpoint must both be disappointed with their league form.
Neither really in relegation trouble but haven't really pulled away from the pack either.
Both very strong squads & have 'invested' in coaching teams.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 10, 2022, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 10, 2022, 09:13:12 AM
The two big games of the weekend are in division 1b tomorrow. RGU v Loughinisland and Ford v Carryduff. Looking at the last round of fixtures I imagine that these four teams could win the last round so it means this weekend is so vital. Carryduff will really want to cement their safety to bed this weekend so I fear for Bryansford.
The games should be streamed by the clubs as they are so important.

Some clubs can hardly tweet never mind stream  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on August 10, 2022, 07:08:42 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 10, 2022, 05:55:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 10, 2022, 09:13:12 AM
The two big games of the weekend are in division 1b tomorrow. RGU v Loughinisland and Ford v Carryduff. Looking at the last round of fixtures I imagine that these four teams could win the last round so it means this weekend is so vital. Carryduff will really want to cement their safety to bed this weekend so I fear for Bryansford.
The games should be streamed by the clubs as they are so important.

Some clubs can hardly tweet never mind stream  ::)

True. Although some clubs have been excellent at it this year, in particular I note Glenn and An Riocht have been very good
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 10, 2022, 08:39:28 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on August 10, 2022, 05:48:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 10, 2022, 09:13:12 AM
The two big games of the weekend are in division 1b tomorrow. RGU v Loughinisland and Ford v Carryduff. Looking at the last round of fixtures I imagine that these four teams could win the last round so it means this weekend is so vital. Carryduff will really want to cement their safety to bed this weekend so I fear for Bryansford.
The games should be streamed by the clubs as they are so important.

You think Loughinisland will beat Warrenpoint on the last day? Their form isn't exactly good & the point have a lot of county lads back who missed the early part of the season.

I can see Bryansford & Downpatrick both winning last round (against Castlewellan & Rostrevor) so Loughinisland need to beat Downpatrick.
Could be effectively a relegation play off & hard to call.


Carryduff & Warrenpoint must both be disappointed with their league form.
Neither really in relegation trouble but haven't really pulled away from the pack either.
Both very strong squads & have 'invested' in coaching teams.
Sure CPN haven't lost a game since the split and are safe?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 10, 2022, 09:06:09 PM
Quote from: elk on August 10, 2022, 08:39:28 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on August 10, 2022, 05:48:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 10, 2022, 09:13:12 AM
The two big games of the weekend are in division 1b tomorrow. RGU v Loughinisland and Ford v Carryduff. Looking at the last round of fixtures I imagine that these four teams could win the last round so it means this weekend is so vital. Carryduff will really want to cement their safety to bed this weekend so I fear for Bryansford.
The games should be streamed by the clubs as they are so important.

You think Loughinisland will beat Warrenpoint on the last day? Their form isn't exactly good & the point have a lot of county lads back who missed the early part of the season.

I can see Bryansford & Downpatrick both winning last round (against Castlewellan & Rostrevor) so Loughinisland need to beat Downpatrick.
Could be effectively a relegation play off & hard to call.


Carryduff & Warrenpoint must both be disappointed with their league form.
Neither really in relegation trouble but haven't really pulled away from the pack either.
Both very strong squads & have 'invested' in coaching teams.
Sure CPN haven't lost a game since the split and are safe?

I would think that they expected to be in the top 4.
League champs unable to defend their crown.
They were poor prior to the split but they did have a good few county lads.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 10, 2022, 09:16:41 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on July 30, 2022, 09:38:16 PM
I understand the tiebreaker for two or more teams is H2H, but what is the tiebreaker for 3 or more teams on same points? is it a H2H minileague or straight score difference? i see three teams are on 17 and Loughinisland on 15 so it is very possible a team could go down based on tiebreaker
What is the H2H rules for two teams level on points in a two way league.It says in the bye laws that "it is the outcome of the meetings in the previous games of the competition"
What if each team won 1 each? It is the points difference then of those two games?
    Asking for a friend😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on August 10, 2022, 09:51:33 PM
How did Loughinisland get dragged in relegation a team that could have made the top 4? Others stepping up when it counts? Injuries? Thought when league split no way they would be fighting to stay in Division at this stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on August 10, 2022, 09:51:54 PM
That is correct Sam. Say Div 1 at the bottom part of the league where the teams have played each other twice, if two teams finish level points and have won one game each in their two games then the score difference in their matches comes in to play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 11, 2022, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: Godsown on August 10, 2022, 09:51:54 PM
That is correct Sam. Say Div 1 at the bottom part of the league where the teams have played each other twice, if two teams finish level points and have won one game each in their two games then the score difference in their matches comes in to play
Not the news I wanted for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on August 11, 2022, 10:49:40 AM
You being ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on August 11, 2022, 01:24:21 PM
I see Shamrocks and Drumgath have both been promoted into Div 2 and play a league final tomorrow night.  Any players from either side that could possibly make the county panel?
I'd say Lavery will look in all 4 divisions and maybe hold trials a bit like the Tyrone set up. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 11, 2022, 01:59:42 PM
Quote from: urbangael on August 11, 2022, 01:24:21 PM
I see Shamrocks and Drumgath have both been promoted into Div 2 and play a league final tomorrow night.  Any players from either side that could possibly make the county panel?
I'd say Lavery will look in all 4 divisions and maybe hold trials a bit like the Tyrone set up.

Shea McConville has potential but needs to bulk up,  Gough is playing well and a young player Gorman has caught the eye when I saw them play this year. Conor will hopefully look further than Loughisland for players unlike other managers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on August 11, 2022, 02:07:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 11, 2022, 01:59:42 PM
Quote from: urbangael on August 11, 2022, 01:24:21 PM
I see Shamrocks and Drumgath have both been promoted into Div 2 and play a league final tomorrow night.  Any players from either side that could possibly make the county panel?
I'd say Lavery will look in all 4 divisions and maybe hold trials a bit like the Tyrone set up.

Shea McConville has potential but needs to bulk up,  Gough is playing well and a young player Gorman has caught the eye when I saw them play this year. Conor will hopefully look further than Loughisland for players unlike other managers.

Gough was tried before if memory serves me correct.  Not sure how he performed. McConville probably isn't the only one that needs S&C.. lots of players round the county could benefit from this.  The transformation in the physical make up of Armagh and Derry in particular in the last 2 yrs has been massive.  No doubt CL will have the right man working on this from early on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Phoenix rising on August 12, 2022, 08:51:42 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 10, 2022, 09:13:12 AM
The two big games of the weekend are in division 1b tomorrow. RGU v Loughinisland and Ford v Carryduff. Looking at the last round of fixtures I imagine that these four teams could win the last round so it means this weekend is so vital. Carryduff will really want to cement their safety to bed this weekend so I fear for Bryansford.
The games should be streamed by the clubs as they are so important.


The division one team all the forum experts continuously wrote off have 19 points - doesn't look like they are going away
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on August 12, 2022, 09:31:15 PM
Quote from: Phoenix rising on August 12, 2022, 08:51:42 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 10, 2022, 09:13:12 AM
The two big games of the weekend are in division 1b tomorrow. RGU v Loughinisland and Ford v Carryduff. Looking at the last round of fixtures I imagine that these four teams could win the last round so it means this weekend is so vital. Carryduff will really want to cement their safety to bed this weekend so I fear for Bryansford.
The games should be streamed by the clubs as they are so important.


The division one team all the forum experts continuously wrote off have 19 points - doesn't look like they are going away
Could still go down if Rostrevor beat them and RGU win though yes? Loughinisland now mathematically safe after tonight's win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Phoenix rising on August 12, 2022, 09:48:15 PM
Never realised that....be a shame to drop down on 19 points
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 12, 2022, 10:02:56 PM
So, we are in Division 1 next season, made it hard for ourselves after our start, but got there in the end. First time in 40 odd years. Many of us have been following the seniors in Divs, 4,3,2 and now Div1, been  from St Paul's to St Michel's and everywhere in-between watching , really looking forward to going to Clonduff, Kilcoo, Mayobridge and the rest to watch us in a senior football game. Bredagh Abu
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 13, 2022, 09:09:04 AM
Quote from: urbangael on August 11, 2022, 02:07:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 11, 2022, 01:59:42 PM
Quote from: urbangael on August 11, 2022, 01:24:21 PM
I see Shamrocks and Drumgath have both been promoted into Div 2 and play a league final tomorrow night.  Any players from either side that could possibly make the county panel?
I'd say Lavery will look in all 4 divisions and maybe hold trials a bit like the Tyrone set up.

Shea McConville has potential but needs to bulk up,  Gough is playing well and a young player Gorman has caught the eye when I saw them play this year. Conor will hopefully look further than Loughisland for players unlike other managers.

Gough was tried before if memory serves me correct.  Not sure how he performed. McConville probably isn't the only one that needs S&C.. lots of players round the county could benefit from this.  The transformation in the physical make up of Armagh and Derry in particular in the last 2 yrs has been massive.  No doubt CL will have the right man working on this from early on.

In fairness a lot of the 'S&C' onus should be/is on the player themselves if they want to breech county standard physicality. Obviously the input from a club or county coach is vital but there has to be a willingness and understanding from within in the first instance. The Tyrone and Dublin lads weren't waiting round for someone to tell them to get to the gym I'm sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on August 13, 2022, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 12, 2022, 10:02:56 PM
So, we are in Division 1 next season, made it hard for ourselves after our start, but got there in the end. First time in 40 odd years. Many of us have been following the seniors in Divs, 4,3,2 and now Div1, been  from St Paul's to St Michel's and everywhere in-between watching , really looking forward to going to Clonduff, Kilcoo, Mayobridge and the rest to watch us in a senior football game. Bredagh Abu
Congratulations. Looks like you also have the chance to go up as champions on Tuesday too, I think a draw is enough?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on August 13, 2022, 11:29:59 AM
Can anyone confirm that the only 2 teams that can go down from division 1 now that haven't already been relegated is RGU and Bryansford based on Loughinisland and carryduff having better H2H than RGU? But if Ford win on Tuesday they are safe regardless
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 13, 2022, 11:37:59 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on August 13, 2022, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 12, 2022, 10:02:56 PM
So, we are in Division 1 next season, made it hard for ourselves after our start, but got there in the end. First time in 40 odd years. Many of us have been following the seniors in Divs, 4,3,2 and now Div1, been  from St Paul's to St Michel's and everywhere in-between watching , really looking forward to going to Clonduff, Kilcoo, Mayobridge and the rest to watch us in a senior football game. Bredagh Abu
Congratulations. Looks like you also have the chance to go up as champions on Tuesday too, I think a draw is enough?

Looks like it, our previous game with Longstone was a draw, so if two team end up on same points, it's games against eachother, then after that score difference. Ours is +73 theirs is +62.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on August 13, 2022, 12:04:57 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on August 13, 2022, 11:29:59 AM
Can anyone confirm that the only 2 teams that can go down from division 1 now that haven't already been relegated is RGU and Bryansford based on Loughinisland and carryduff having better H2H than RGU? But if Ford win on Tuesday they are safe regardless

That is correct. There are various scenarios depending on results with the most common outcome being downpatrick going down.
Bryansford can be caught however if rostrevor beat them and dpatrick win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 15, 2022, 09:49:59 AM
Well done to Bredagh, they are a fantastic club and Cherryvale is a vibrant centre for GAA in the city. Bredagh seem to have a strong underage setup as well so they fully deserve all the success. Next year division 1 will have 5 East and South teams. Division 2 next year is going to be very strong. Castlewellan had more in fighting last week mainly off-field matters but they are a championship side and could be dangerous in that. Rostrevor has picked up form and they won't lie down to the Ford tomorrow, they will definitely want to continue their good form coming into the championship. Downpatrick is in trouble and needs results to go their way. With the players they have they shouldn't be a yoyo club but the country clubs seem to have more bite than them over the course of the season. They were missing key personnel but so was every team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on August 15, 2022, 12:15:04 PM
does anyone have the senior championship fixtures? the website put up the rgu and an riocht fixture last wednesday but the other seven matches all still say tbc even this morning
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 15, 2022, 02:33:47 PM
Can anyone tell me is next season or the following season that the big teams are allowed to enter reserve teams into the all-county leagues??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 15, 2022, 03:48:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 15, 2022, 02:33:47 PM
Can anyone tell me is next season or the following season that the big teams are allowed to enter reserve teams into the all-county leagues??
Je-us,you ask some stupid questions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 15, 2022, 04:43:35 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on August 15, 2022, 12:15:04 PM
does anyone have the senior championship fixtures? the website put up the rgu and an riocht fixture last wednesday but the other seven matches all still say tbc even this morning
Glenn v Bredagh   
SFC   
Liatroim   7.00pm   

Clann na Banna v Annaclone   IFC   
Mayobridge 7.00pm   

Loughinisland v Castlewellan   SFC   
Darragh Cross 7.00pm   

26/08/2022   


Bright v Drumgath   
IFC   
Dromara 7.00pm   

Cill Chua v Clonduff   
SFC   
Pairc Esler   7.30pm   

27/08/2022   


Atticall v Aughlisnafin   IFC   
Glasdrumman 2.00pm   

Tullylish v Darragh Cross   IFC   
Kilcoo 7.00pm   

RGU Downpatrick v An Riocht   SFC   
St Patricks Park   5.00pm   

Liatroim v Rostrevor   IFC   
Pairc Esler   6.00pm   

28/08/2022   
Saval v St Paul's   
IFC   
Castlewellan 1.00pm   

St John Bosco v Ballymartin   IFC   
Rostrevor 1.00pm   

Ballyholland v Longstone   SFC   
An Riocht   3.00pm   

Cumann Pheadair Naofa v Saul   SFC   
Clonduff 6.00pm   

Carryduff v Bryansford   SFC   
Downpatrick 6.00pm   

29/08/2022   

St John's v Newry Shamrocks   IFC   
St Patricks Park   7.00pm   

Burren v Mayobridge   SFC   
Pairc Esler   7.30pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on August 15, 2022, 05:17:11 PM
cheers Sam!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 15, 2022, 08:17:29 PM
Quote from: wobbller on August 15, 2022, 03:48:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 15, 2022, 02:33:47 PM
Can anyone tell me is next season or the following season that the big teams are allowed to enter reserve teams into the all-county leagues??
Je-us,you ask some stupid questions.

Its a common enough practice in other counties.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 15, 2022, 09:54:48 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 15, 2022, 08:17:29 PM
Quote from: wobbller on August 15, 2022, 03:48:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 15, 2022, 02:33:47 PM
Can anyone tell me is next season or the following season that the big teams are allowed to enter reserve teams into the all-county leagues??
Je-us,you ask some stupid questions.

Its a common enough practice in other counties.
I know it is but this has never been discussed at County Board level in Down.TH is just an irritant.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on August 15, 2022, 10:48:26 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 12, 2022, 10:02:56 PM
So, we are in Division 1 next season, made it hard for ourselves after our start, but got there in the end. First time in 40 odd years. Many of us have been following the seniors in Divs, 4,3,2 and now Div1, been  from St Paul's to St Michel's and everywhere in-between watching , really looking forward to going to Clonduff, Kilcoo, Mayobridge and the rest to watch us in a senior football game. Bredagh Abu
Congratulations, great to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 16, 2022, 08:43:20 AM
Quote from: wobbller on August 15, 2022, 09:54:48 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 15, 2022, 08:17:29 PM
Quote from: wobbller on August 15, 2022, 03:48:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 15, 2022, 02:33:47 PM
Can anyone tell me is next season or the following season that the big teams are allowed to enter reserve teams into the all-county leagues??
Je-us,you ask some stupid questions.

Its a common enough practice in other counties.
I know it is but this has never been discussed at County Board level in Down.TH is just an irritant.

This has been discussed on numerous occassions and Burren are mad to enter a reserve team in ACL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 16, 2022, 08:45:27 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 16, 2022, 08:43:20 AM
Quote from: wobbller on August 15, 2022, 09:54:48 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 15, 2022, 08:17:29 PM
Quote from: wobbller on August 15, 2022, 03:48:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 15, 2022, 02:33:47 PM
Can anyone tell me is next season or the following season that the big teams are allowed to enter reserve teams into the all-county leagues??
Je-us,you ask some stupid questions.

Its a common enough practice in other counties.
I know it is but this has never been discussed at County Board level in Down.TH is just an irritant.

This has been discussed on numerous occassions and Burren are mad to enter a reserve team in ACL

And it's been rejected many times by Div 4 teams.. Stop hashing out this same topic every 6 months it's boring
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 16, 2022, 09:38:31 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 16, 2022, 08:43:20 AM
Quote from: wobbller on August 15, 2022, 09:54:48 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 15, 2022, 08:17:29 PM
Quote from: wobbller on August 15, 2022, 03:48:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 15, 2022, 02:33:47 PM
Can anyone tell me is next season or the following season that the big teams are allowed to enter reserve teams into the all-county leagues??
Je-us,you ask some stupid questions.

Its a common enough practice in other counties.
I know it is but this has never been discussed at County Board level in Down.TH is just an irritant.

This has been discussed on numerous occassions and Burren are mad to enter a reserve team in ACL
It has never been formally proposed at Convention.Put yourself up for election and make all the things you continually suggest happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 16, 2022, 10:42:16 AM
Quote from: wobbller on August 16, 2022, 09:38:31 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 16, 2022, 08:43:20 AM
Quote from: wobbller on August 15, 2022, 09:54:48 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 15, 2022, 08:17:29 PM
Quote from: wobbller on August 15, 2022, 03:48:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 15, 2022, 02:33:47 PM
Can anyone tell me is next season or the following season that the big teams are allowed to enter reserve teams into the all-county leagues??
Je-us,you ask some stupid questions.

You are a very angry person, chill man

Its a common enough practice in other counties.
I know it is but this has never been discussed at County Board level in Down.TH is just an irritant.

This has been discussed on numerous occassions and Burren are mad to enter a reserve team in ACL
It has never been formally proposed at Convention.Put yourself up for election and make all the things you continually suggest happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 16, 2022, 10:45:43 AM
All roads lead to Darragh tonight for what should be a cracker, one of these strong clubs will be playing division 3 football next season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 16, 2022, 10:51:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 16, 2022, 10:45:43 AM
All roads lead to Darragh tonight for what should be a cracker, one of these strong clubs will be playing division 3 football next season.
Nah, Longstone is the place to be for a winner takes all game for top spot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on August 16, 2022, 11:08:02 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 16, 2022, 10:45:43 AM
All roads lead to Darragh tonight for what should be a cracker, one of these strong clubs will be playing division 3 football next season.

Interesting end to the season. Going into the last game, 4 teams all tied on 15 points with two going down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 16, 2022, 11:18:09 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 16, 2022, 10:51:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 16, 2022, 10:45:43 AM
All roads lead to Darragh tonight for what should be a cracker, one of these strong clubs will be playing division 3 football next season.
Nah, Longstone is the place to be for a winner takes all game for top spot.

Both teams are up but I am sure it will be an interesting battle, Is Bredagh can sustain a place in division 1 then it will strengthen the county , St Pauls seems to be getting stronger too.

Any truth in the rumour that Banty or Corrigan are joining the backroom ticket?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 16, 2022, 11:35:50 AM
Can't see either team from division 2 surviving next year . The stone may have a chance because teams not enjoying playing there but I'd suggest that ballyholland and whoever the last team to come down is , are stronger than any of the current division 2 teams. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 16, 2022, 11:38:45 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 16, 2022, 11:18:09 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on August 16, 2022, 10:51:57 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 16, 2022, 10:45:43 AM
All roads lead to Darragh tonight for what should be a cracker, one of these strong clubs will be playing division 3 football next season.
Nah, Longstone is the place to be for a winner takes all game for top spot.

Both teams are up but I am sure it will be an interesting battle, Is Bredagh can sustain a place in division 1 then it will strengthen the county , St Pauls seems to be getting stronger too.

Any truth in the rumour that Banty or Corrigan are joining the backroom ticket?
don't think so, but was talking to a fella, who knows someone, who is related to someone who drinks in a bar in the Ormeau road who overheard a conversation between two blokes who were saying they heard Gavins name being mentioned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 16, 2022, 11:39:28 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 16, 2022, 11:35:50 AM
Can't see either team from division 2 surviving next year . The stone may have a chance because teams not enjoying playing there but I'd suggest that ballyholland and whoever the last team to come down is , are stronger than any of the current division 2 teams.
based on what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 16, 2022, 11:44:03 AM
Based on the fact I believe division 2 isn't that strong this year and no one has walked away with it . Also based on the fact there will be very few weak teams in division 1 next year . Happy to be proved wrong btw , just an opinion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 16, 2022, 02:37:59 PM
Match is streamed live tomorrow on Pairc TV, happy days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on August 16, 2022, 03:50:19 PM


Any truth in the rumour that Banty or Corrigan are joining the backroom ticket?
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Think there's legs in the story about Gavin. Heard he was in the Greenans at the weekend.
Some Danish guy called Lars ( didn't get his surname) joining back room as S&C coach. Has worked with Morgan apparently before
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 16, 2022, 05:14:31 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 16, 2022, 10:45:43 AM
All roads lead to Darragh tonight for what should be a cracker, one of these strong clubs will be playing division 3 football next season.

The A1 doesn't lead to Darragh.
Or the M1.
Or the M2.

Lots of roads don't lead to Darragh.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on August 16, 2022, 05:47:56 PM
 :)lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 16, 2022, 09:18:48 PM
Some roads lead to Longstone. Bredagh might have taken the wrong one.

Stone go up as champs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 16, 2022, 09:56:59 PM
Well what a great finish to the second division tonight. Excitement right to the end. An Riocht will feel absolutely disgusted that they've gone down on score difference after what transpired at the start of the season against Darragh Cross. The DC manager won't be allowed in Mourne for the foreseeable I'd imagine. Have to feel sorry for them. I was at that game early in the season, the county board should have a better way of managing those situations. Only slight consolation is that DC have gone down as well, the least they deserve. Great to see that much 😃
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 16, 2022, 11:03:16 PM
Has the standard of football dipped in lower and upper mourne?? Not that long ago kingdom, Attical, Stone and Ballymartin were in division one and now 3 teams in division 3 next year..
interesting derbies in that league.
Darragh Cross put together what many believed was the ideal management package to get to the top flight and win an intermediate championship - how does DJ and Enda explain this mess?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 17, 2022, 09:40:02 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 16, 2022, 11:03:16 PM
Has the standard of football dipped in lower and upper mourne?? Not that long ago kingdom, Attical, Stone and Ballymartin were in division one and now 3 teams in division 3 next year..
interesting derbies in that league.
Darragh Cross put together what many believed was the ideal management package to get to the top flight and win an intermediate championship - how does DJ and Enda explain this mess?

The parish of lower mourne has 3 GAA Clubs Longstone, Ballymartin and Glasdrumman, That's a fantastic achievement in itself.

Very disappointing for Darragh Cross especially given the way they lost the intermediate last season and now to be relegated.
An Riocht fought to the bitter end and with a promising minor team they won't be panicking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 17, 2022, 02:18:42 PM
Over 18 games they weren't good enough, great drama that it comes to the wire but missed opportunities in the last few months.

Should be an interesting game tonight, I'm guessing neither will show their hand but also both will want that win.

How come Rostrevor in Inter or did I read that wrong?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 17, 2022, 02:25:48 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 17, 2022, 02:18:42 PM
Over 18 games they weren't good enough, great drama that it comes to the wire but missed opportunities in the last few months.

Should be an interesting game tonight, I'm guessing neither will show their hand but also both will want that win.

How come Rostrevor in Inter or did I read that wrong?

Lost Senior relegation play-off last year if I remember correctly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 17, 2022, 03:27:18 PM
Got it. They will be wanting to have a serious crack at Inter Champ then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on August 17, 2022, 04:52:34 PM
Haven't won too many games this year so will def be vulnerable against a few teams in inter. Teams can't just flick a switch and start winning although their form has picked up this past month or two.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 17, 2022, 05:06:10 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 16, 2022, 09:56:59 PM
Well what a great finish to the second division tonight. Excitement right to the end. An Riocht will feel absolutely disgusted that they've gone down on score difference after what transpired at the start of the season against Darragh Cross. The DC manager won't be allowed in Mourne for the foreseeable I'd imagine. Have to feel sorry for them. I was at that game early in the season, the county board should have a better way of managing those situations. Only slight consolation is that DC have gone down as well, the least they deserve. Great to see that much 😃
What happened between An Riocht and Darragh Cross?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 17, 2022, 05:34:20 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on August 17, 2022, 04:52:34 PM
Haven't won too many games this year so will def be vulnerable against a few teams in inter. Teams can't just flick a switch and start winning although their form has picked up this past month or two.

Their management team went there for one reason only & that's to get a trophy on their CVs.

League survival would have been a bonus but a long shot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on August 17, 2022, 06:53:31 PM
Quote from: befair on August 17, 2022, 05:06:10 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 16, 2022, 09:56:59 PM
Well what a great finish to the second division tonight. Excitement right to the end. An Riocht will feel absolutely disgusted that they've gone down on score difference after what transpired at the start of the season against Darragh Cross. The DC manager won't be allowed in Mourne for the foreseeable I'd imagine. Have to feel sorry for them. I was at that game early in the season, the county board should have a better way of managing those situations. Only slight consolation is that DC have gone down as well, the least they deserve. Great to see that much 😃
What happened between An Riocht and Darragh Cross?
Darragh Cross player faked head injury to get game abandoned when they were getting stuffed. Ambulance called and then told it subsequently wasn't needed once game got blown up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 17, 2022, 07:05:31 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 17, 2022, 06:53:31 PM
Quote from: befair on August 17, 2022, 05:06:10 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 16, 2022, 09:56:59 PM
Well what a great finish to the second division tonight. Excitement right to the end. An Riocht will feel absolutely disgusted that they've gone down on score difference after what transpired at the start of the season against Darragh Cross. The DC manager won't be allowed in Mourne for the foreseeable I'd imagine. Have to feel sorry for them. I was at that game early in the season, the county board should have a better way of managing those situations. Only slight consolation is that DC have gone down as well, the least they deserve. Great to see that much 😃
What happened between An Riocht and Darragh Cross?
Darragh Cross player faked head injury to get game abandoned when they were getting stuffed. Ambulance called and then told it subsequently wasn't needed once game got blown up
Not the first time this kind of thing has happened; worst of all, some poor sod might have needed that ambulance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on August 17, 2022, 07:06:46 PM
Quote from: befair on August 17, 2022, 07:05:31 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 17, 2022, 06:53:31 PM
Quote from: befair on August 17, 2022, 05:06:10 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 16, 2022, 09:56:59 PM
Well what a great finish to the second division tonight. Excitement right to the end. An Riocht will feel absolutely disgusted that they've gone down on score difference after what transpired at the start of the season against Darragh Cross. The DC manager won't be allowed in Mourne for the foreseeable I'd imagine. Have to feel sorry for them. I was at that game early in the season, the county board should have a better way of managing those situations. Only slight consolation is that DC have gone down as well, the least they deserve. Great to see that much 😃
What happened between An Riocht and Darragh Cross?
Darragh Cross player faked head injury to get game abandoned when they were getting stuffed. Ambulance called and then told it subsequently wasn't needed once game got blown up
Not the first time this kind of thing has happened; worst of all, some poor sod might have needed that ambulance
Exactly happened a few days after a woman in newry died waiting on an ambulance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Trap on August 17, 2022, 08:55:27 PM
Conor Laverty has some job on his hands! 2 best teams on show tonight, apart from Liam Kerr no real quality, and the contempt for eachother obvious!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 17, 2022, 09:27:15 PM
What happened?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 17, 2022, 09:35:45 PM
I feel after watching that tonight - we have finally found a team officials that will not buy the antics of Kilcoo any longer. Diving, gouging, punching people from behind, off the ball holding etc etc - well done young Curran and co. We will probably never see you on a pitch at a big match involving Kilcoo again as they will do their usual and complain about you now.

The match itself was a poor spectacle with Kilcoo going 4-0 up and then not scoring for 44 minutes. Niall Brannigan - taken off, Eugene Brannigan - taken off, Aaron cudnt keep with Kerr once he got going at full speed. Flashes of class from Doherty, Ryan McEvoy and Anthony Morgan. But Burren were by far the better TEAM on the night and played better as a unit all over the pitch.
This seasons championship could be excellent with Kilcoo, Burren, Carryduff, CPN and Clonduff contenders for honours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pbat on August 17, 2022, 09:39:01 PM
Was Paddy Burns of Forkhill playing for Burren?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on August 17, 2022, 09:44:53 PM
Burren big favourites for the championship now after that performance. Kilcoo have fallen backwards
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on August 17, 2022, 10:13:37 PM
The neutrals got what they wanted in Mayobridge tonight...  Fiesty game and plenty of rows.  Burren by far the better team from the 15th min onwards.  The pace of Kerr and Magill is frightening.  Burren still wasteful up front and need a replacement for Ohare from dead balls. Kilcoo missing 5 or 6 regulars and this defeat will probably galvanise them for championship.  Ref done well under the circumstances and no argument for the 6 he sent off.  The rotund water carrier from Kilcoo could surely be in bother as he was front and centre of the row... He must be looking at a lengthy ban. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 17, 2022, 11:07:12 PM
 The J brothers are some shower!
RJ & JJ especially in line for bit of time out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 17, 2022, 11:29:07 PM
What will they get? 1 game each? So first round of championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on August 17, 2022, 11:40:00 PM
Won't affect the championship. Next league game 2023
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 17, 2022, 11:48:36 PM
Quote from: Godsown on August 17, 2022, 11:40:00 PM
Won't affect the championship. Next league game 2023
. D'Oh, different competition. No doubt in appeal it will be somehow claimed it's not a league match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on August 17, 2022, 11:57:46 PM
From the top down and not just this county it is time to come down on this thuggery. It's almost expected now in certain games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 18, 2022, 08:05:28 AM
The challenge is how do we 'come down' on this? Sanctions become more lengthy? But we all recognise the appeal process allows teams to have this rescinded quite readily in most cases. The video clip I watched shows two different melees happening at the same time, how could the officials watch and sort that mess.
The levels of aggression has changed from 'hard but fair' to 'don't lie down to these' and stoked at all angles from sidelines and supporters. Most players don't want a boxing match every game but the mentality now installed nearly pushes players to that extreme.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 18, 2022, 08:08:01 AM
The thuggery has to stop
Number 15 tye eye gauger needs a 48 week suspension after last night
Kilcoo Down Devlin and the Johnstone's are a very beatable team
Anyone else think those 3 are not the lads that make this Kilcoo team are mad
Can the people callling for the brannigans to play county football please now let it go. They are no where near that level as showed last night
Well done to Burren Longstone and Drumgath
Now the real stuff begins
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on August 18, 2022, 08:39:23 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on August 17, 2022, 09:44:53 PM
Burren big favourites for the championship now after that performance. Kilcoo have fallen backwards

Nothing more than a bit of shadow boxing last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on August 18, 2022, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on August 18, 2022, 08:39:23 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on August 17, 2022, 09:44:53 PM
Burren big favourites for the championship now after that performance. Kilcoo have fallen backwards

Nothing more than a bit of shadow boxing last night.
So JJ's punch was shadow boxing?I despair for some of the
clowns like you OgraAnDun on this Board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on August 18, 2022, 09:01:03 AM
Quote from: wobbller on August 18, 2022, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on August 18, 2022, 08:39:23 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on August 17, 2022, 09:44:53 PM
Burren big favourites for the championship now after that performance. Kilcoo have fallen backwards

Nothing more than a bit of shadow boxing last night.
So JJ's punch was shadow boxing?I despair for some of the
clowns like you OgraAnDun on this Board.

The result of the match, not the actual fracas. You can't say Kilcoo have fallen backwards nor that Burren are favourites for the championship based on a league game. 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 18, 2022, 09:01:06 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 18, 2022, 08:08:01 AM
The thuggery has to stop
Number 15 tye eye gauger needs a 48 week suspension after last night
Kilcoo Down Devlin and the Johnstone's are a very beatable team
Anyone else think those 3 are not the lads that make this Kilcoo team are mad
Can the people callling for the brannigans to play county football please now let it go. They are no where near that level as showed last night
Well done to Burren Longstone and Drumgath
Now the real stuff begins

The thuggery will never stop until the CCC comes down heavy on the clubs and the appeals are upheld. If those cowardice actions took place on main street in Newcastle on a Saturday night the perpetrators would be up in front of a judge in English street , Downpatrick on Monday morning. But because its Burren and Kilcoo they will get away with it... again. I have said it on this forum before and will say it again, that we are going to have a fatal injury on the field soon because of the actions of our players who are built like shithouses running around throwing digs like John Cena.

But Kilcoo were missing a few and they may get a championship this year but Burren are coming and they will take over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 18, 2022, 09:22:24 AM
Players built like shit houses and throwing digs like John Cena

Melodramatic to say the least.
I dont see too many fellas on either side built like shit houses to be fair.
More like wee skinny hard men ( with lovely tans might i add). A field full of little carl framptons.
There isnt a man amongst them go toe to toe without the backing of their buddies.

These two teams (and clubs) despise each other and thats the way its gonna be for a long time. Well until Burren take their silver spoons out of their holes, and get the better of Kilcoo when it matters. like a previous poster put it, this game was shadow boxing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on August 18, 2022, 09:24:31 AM
Can Carryduff still be relegated? How would that work if they've beaten Downpatrick twice?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on August 18, 2022, 09:43:46 AM
Swept under the carpet with Minimum bans and sanctions after appeals. The top teams can do what they want
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 18, 2022, 10:17:33 AM
Quote from: Lloyd p on August 18, 2022, 09:24:31 AM
Can Carryduff still be relegated? How would that work if they've beaten Downpatrick twice?
Have a look at the league table and think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 18, 2022, 10:25:54 AM
Quote from: SticksandStones on August 18, 2022, 09:43:46 AM
Swept under the carpet with Minimum bans and sanctions after appeals. The top teams can do what they want

We can hope that finally the county board will back the match day officials and actually uphold the bans/suspensions, but in reality these clubs don't want to abide by the same rules as the rest, and until their own club leaders start sending a message to their players that they should never resort to this dirt just because they are losing a football match, we'll get appeals and overturned bans every year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on August 18, 2022, 10:31:13 AM
Quote from: SamFever on August 18, 2022, 10:17:33 AM
Quote from: Lloyd p on August 18, 2022, 09:24:31 AM
Can Carryduff still be relegated? How would that work if they've beaten Downpatrick twice?
Have a look at the league table and think.
Or maybe if you know the answer just answer the question and don't be a smart arse?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 18, 2022, 10:43:07 AM
I thought if two teams finish on equal points then the head to head is in play. If more than 2 teams end up on the same points it's goes on score difference. Based on that and current league standings then if Duff lose and the 3 below all win then yes Diff could go down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on August 18, 2022, 10:51:17 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 18, 2022, 10:43:07 AM
I thought if two teams finish on equal points then the head to head is in play. If more than 2 teams end up on the same points it's goes on score difference. Based on that and current league standings then if Duff lose and the 3 below all win then yes Diff could go down?
If that happened carryduff stay up on head to head
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 18, 2022, 10:59:21 AM
Both teams at it last night . No innocent parties . It's a very toxic atmosphere at them games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 18, 2022, 11:01:41 AM
Sorry I misread that, Carryduff have beaten DP twice so C'Duff are safe now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on August 18, 2022, 11:04:23 AM
Mark mccartan said on commentary last night that carryduff could still go down which is why I asked. Must be mistaken then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 18, 2022, 11:14:31 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on August 18, 2022, 10:25:54 AM
Quote from: SticksandStones on August 18, 2022, 09:43:46 AM
Swept under the carpet with Minimum bans and sanctions after appeals. The top teams can do what they want

We can hope that finally the county board will back the match day officials and actually uphold the bans/suspensions, but in reality these clubs don't want to abide by the same rules as the rest, and until their own club leaders start sending a message to their players that they should never resort to this dirt just because they are losing a football match, we'll get appeals and overturned bans every year.

The players will miss the first game of next years league, the different competition rules should be altered for the last game of the league and they should carry to the championship. The punishment for a punch to the head is not enough. A few weeks ago a Clonduff player got his jaw broken, a player drinking out of a straw because some wee so-called hard man thinks he is 'Macho Man' Randy Savage.

The hierarchy of these clubs won't do anything about it and they see this part of the game, but Micheal Cusack, Davin, and the men of 1884 did not establish the association to become what we saw in Mayobridge last night. And last night was not a one-off, its commonplace nowadays in matches and its rotten, someone needs to put a stop to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 18, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
Quote from: Lloyd p on August 18, 2022, 11:04:23 AM
Mark mccartan said on commentary last night that carryduff could still go down which is why I asked. Must be mistaken then.

On looking at the table my take is that Carryduff can still go down mathematically but the superior score difference makes it highly unlikely, if 3 or more teams finish on level points then it comes to score difference.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on August 18, 2022, 11:48:07 AM
Would Carryduff not have been considered dark horses for a championship this year? Finnian Moriarty in as manager too isn't her?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 18, 2022, 11:55:21 AM
Kilcoo 4/6

Burren 4/1

Warrenpoint 9/1

Clonduff 9/1

Carryduff 11/1

Mayobridge 12/1

Ballyholland 14/1

Downpatrick 20/1

Loughinisland 40/1

Glenn 40/1

Longstone 50/1

Bredagh 50/1

Bryansford 66/1

Castlewellan 66/1

An Riocht 66/1

Saul 100/1

odds on PP

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 18, 2022, 03:27:57 PM
Someone in PP sniffing glue again. How can Barps be 14/1 and Loughinisland 40/1?

Burren 9/2 is some price. Overheard in Busy Bees today that a prominent Burren Bald figure from Burren saying that team won't be beaten this year. They've already planned a training weekend for the 3rd week of the championship as they are that confident of winning first two rounds. Hope they can do it, great club showing they are leaps and bounds ahead of the rest in terms of talent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on August 18, 2022, 04:31:55 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 18, 2022, 10:59:21 AM
Both teams at it last night . No innocent parties . It's a very toxic atmosphere at them games

Both teams had players who were 'at it' as you say.

But I think it should be said that the young fella who probably had the most reason to go out last night and start a row showed the rest of them how it should be done. Was marking the lad that hit him a few weeks ago and did it hard and fair and just marked him out of the game. No low blows, no dirt, no sledging.

That's how it should be done.

Players need to be reminded that's its football if they want thuggery go take up MMA or something. They're no use to a football team looking on from the sidelines.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 18, 2022, 04:32:59 PM
Seen a video of the row.. My thoughts would be Magill didn't hit Jerome hard enough, then the Kilcoo player came in to clean Magill but the Burren man put him on his hole should probably do a bit more S&C.

Ref did right, let them get it over and done with and the deal with the aftermath.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on August 18, 2022, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 18, 2022, 03:27:57 PM
Someone in PP sniffing glue again. How can Barps be 14/1 and Loughinisland 40/1?

I think they are just looking at past championships. Ballyholland have been in the last three semi finals and probably had a factor in that price.

After watching the game last night, I don't think the price of the other 14 teams is going to matter much. It looks like the winner will come from one of them again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 18, 2022, 05:56:46 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 08, 2021, 08:39:00 PM
You are right Sheedy, it happens every week, every week in Kilcoo, eye gouging an opponent is up there with spitting, the lowest of the low but is anyone really that surprised with this carry on. The player in question, and his manager and his club have plenty of history and it just seems to happen all too often. Thought it would have taken till at least the club championship for the mask to slip but it only took a week.

Just over a year later and the same boy is at it again, celebrating his eye gouging anniversary. McCusker is a disgrace and it says more about Laverty who had him on a pedestal last year with the U20s. Last night's game was a clear display of downright treachery and trampish behaviour of the highest order. Of course let's not forget our new Messiah stuck in the middle of it all, crying at the referee because he didn't get his own way for a change.

The CB had the perfect opportunity to select an outside man to put all this nonsense to bed, mostly nonsense created by Kilcoo, too late now though, Jack pressed the panic button and got his man. It is time though for our county board to stand up to them for once and throw the book at them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 18, 2022, 08:40:02 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on August 18, 2022, 04:31:55 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 18, 2022, 10:59:21 AM
Both teams at it last night . No innocent parties . It's a very toxic atmosphere at them games

Both teams had players who were 'at it' as you say.

But I think it should be said that the young fella who probably had the most reason to go out last night and start a row showed the rest of them how it should be done. Was marking the lad that hit him a few weeks ago and did it hard and fair and just marked him out of the game. No low blows, no dirt, no sledging.

That's how it should be done.

Players need to be reminded that's its football if they want thuggery go take up MMA or something. They're no use to a football team looking on from the sidelines.


Agree totally , this pushing and shoving nonsense off the ball and the verbals is just embarrassing to watch. From the throw up Burren tried to get a reaction last night and they got it and then stood up to it . They won the battle , wars just starting though . Burren men behind me shouting at a kilcoo lad on the ground that they hoped his leg was broke . Not much class about either club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 19, 2022, 09:56:36 AM
It's bad when the Tipp lads on Premierview have a clip up.  ;D

Wouldn't get that in the hurling lads, can you lot not behave yourselves?  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 19, 2022, 10:23:53 AM
The Kilcoo/Burren rivalry the past few years will die out when one becomes less successful. Burren is jealous of the magpie's recent glories and Kilcoo has been living rent-free in their heads for years. Burren like most south Down clubs have a superiority complex and they haven't dominated Down football since the late 80s/early 90s and this is hurting their ego. They have resorted to taking players from other parishes close to them to increase their underage success which has bore them fruit as they can field 2 teams at every age level. On Wednesday they took an aggressive game to Kilcoo and to be fair were physical for them. On the other hand, Kilcoo was missing a few regulars who will be starting v Clonduff. A lot of observers from Wednesday night have been writing obituaries for Kilcoo but I won't be buying a mass card for the pride of East Down yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 19, 2022, 10:28:29 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 19, 2022, 10:23:53 AM
The Kilcoo/Burren rivalry the past few years will die out when one becomes less successful. Burren is jealous of the magpie's recent glories and Kilcoo has been living rent-free in their heads for years. Burren like most south Down clubs have a superiority complex and they haven't dominated Down football since the late 80s/early 90s and this is hurting their ego. They have resorted to taking players from other parishes close to them to increase their underage success which has bore them fruit as they can field 2 teams at every age level. On Wednesday they took an aggressive game to Kilcoo and to be fair were physical for them. On the other hand, Kilcoo was missing a few regulars who will be starting v Clonduff. A lot of observers from Wednesday night have been writing obituaries for Kilcoo but I won't be buying a mass card for the pride of East Down yet.

Pride of East Down? Behave.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on August 19, 2022, 11:06:21 AM
I have no issue with aggressive football. Aggressive hard hitting football is very exciting and great to watch. But people are going out on pitches week in week out and think that because its on a football pitch that its fine to assault opposition players and if it happened on a Saturday night somewhere they would be thrown into the back of a police car. Is it going to take someone getting seriously brain for this to change? I personally would prefer preventative measures rather than a reaction to something that has been boiling for years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 19, 2022, 11:25:07 AM
Until:

a) the rule book is tightened up, to define melees and people's role within.

b) sanctions for striking are increased.

c) the appeals process is tightened up to prevent the use of technicalities, and that a hearing will never be heard for a match/multiple match suspension unless video evidence is provided along with the initial response.

Then melee culture will continue to reign. It allows for hiding in plain sight and is by far the safest strategy (in terms of sanctions) if intent on inflicting physical damage to opponents.

——-

If the rule book doesn't change the only other nuclear option is to request referees to abandon any game immediately when a melee begins.

But you know who suffers the most from that? The referees who get chased to their cars, and the administrators who are left with no choice but to hit the clubs involved with a disrepute charge, which will inevitably be drawn out for months.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 19, 2022, 11:25:28 AM
Quote from: SticksandStones on August 19, 2022, 11:06:21 AM
I have no issue with aggressive football. Aggressive hard hitting football is very exciting and great to watch. But people are going out on pitches week in week out and think that because its on a football pitch that its fine to assault opposition players and if it happened on a Saturday night somewhere they would be thrown into the back of a police car. Is it going to take someone getting seriously brain for this to change? I personally would prefer preventative measures rather than a reaction to something that has been boiling for years

I heard the CCC are now meeting to discuss the issues due to the publicity and could be issuing bans and fines to prevent in the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 19, 2022, 11:31:35 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 19, 2022, 11:25:28 AM
Quote from: SticksandStones on August 19, 2022, 11:06:21 AM
I have no issue with aggressive football. Aggressive hard hitting football is very exciting and great to watch. But people are going out on pitches week in week out and think that because its on a football pitch that its fine to assault opposition players and if it happened on a Saturday night somewhere they would be thrown into the back of a police car. Is it going to take someone getting seriously brain for this to change? I personally would prefer preventative measures rather than a reaction to something that has been boiling for years

I heard the CCC are now meeting to discuss the issues due to the publicity and could be issuing bans and fines to prevent in the future.

Fines don't prevent anything. All they do is rob club coffers.

Disrepute bans (months rather than games) work effectively but are certain to be overturned on appeal  unless a player is clearly acting in an unusually aggressive way. If it's inevitably going to be overturned, then why bother going there at all?

Match bans don't work much either in league football. At worst a man might get a two game suspension, and almost certainly just one. He won't even notice it. Might even enjoy a weekend off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 2badteams on August 19, 2022, 12:32:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 19, 2022, 11:25:28 AM
Quote from: SticksandStones on August 19, 2022, 11:06:21 AM
I have no issue with aggressive football. Aggressive hard hitting football is very exciting and great to watch. But people are going out on pitches week in week out and think that because its on a football pitch that its fine to assault opposition players and if it happened on a Saturday night somewhere they would be thrown into the back of a police car. Is it going to take someone getting seriously brain for this to change? I personally would prefer preventative measures rather than a reaction to something that has been boiling for years

I heard the CCC are now meeting to discuss the issues due to the publicity and could be issuing bans and fines to prevent in the future.

Cant see frank mcclorey calling it a disgrace like a few years ago now that the boys that went to the school around the corner were acting the candyman in Mayobridge.

Bans and fines will be crap but regardless the CCC will be down your weather watching way tomorrow Frankie and Lav. Take care be good bye bye
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Conks on August 19, 2022, 12:37:33 PM
Quote from: Godsown on August 16, 2022, 03:50:19 PM


Any truth in the rumour that Banty or Corrigan are joining the backroom ticket?

Think there's legs in the story about Gavin. Heard he was in the Greenans at the weekend.
Some Danish guy called Lars ( didn't get his surname) joining back room as S&C coach. Has worked with Morgan apparently before
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I hear that this guy Lars from Denmark is highly rated. You could say he's a great Dane! Very obedient and like a dog with a bone during his sessions!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 19, 2022, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2022, 11:31:35 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 19, 2022, 11:25:28 AM
Quote from: SticksandStones on August 19, 2022, 11:06:21 AM
I have no issue with aggressive football. Aggressive hard hitting football is very exciting and great to watch. But people are going out on pitches week in week out and think that because its on a football pitch that its fine to assault opposition players and if it happened on a Saturday night somewhere they would be thrown into the back of a police car. Is it going to take someone getting seriously brain for this to change? I personally would prefer preventative measures rather than a reaction to something that has been boiling for years

I heard the CCC are now meeting to discuss the issues due to the publicity and could be issuing bans and fines to prevent in the future.

Fines don't prevent anything. All they do is rob club coffers.

Disrepute bans (months rather than games) work effectively but are certain to be overturned on appeal  unless a player is clearly acting in an unusually aggressive way. If it's inevitably going to be overturned, then why bother going there at all?

Match bans don't work much either in league football. At worst a man might get a two game suspension, and almost certainly just one. He won't even notice it. Might even enjoy a weekend off.

You are a wind up merchant seeing you were the driver of getting the Ballyholland bans overtunrned when they played RGU.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 19, 2022, 12:53:44 PM
I'm not a wind up merchant. I'm just someone who happened to learn a lot, in a short space of time, about the shambles that is the disciplinary process set by GAA HQ.

CCC would be wasting time for everyone and anyone to award anything other than one match bans to those who were sent off. Not their fault, that's just the way it is.

CCC will also have to dish out a fine of £500 or £1,000 to each club, as that's their precedent in these situations.

Beyond that, move on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on August 19, 2022, 01:10:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 19, 2022, 10:23:53 AM
The Kilcoo/Burren rivalry the past few years will die out when one becomes less successful. Burren is jealous of the magpie's recent glories and Kilcoo has been living rent-free in their heads for years. Burren like most south Down clubs have a superiority complex and they haven't dominated Down football since the late 80s/early 90s and this is hurting their ego. They have resorted to taking players from other parishes close to them to increase their underage success which has bore them fruit as they can field 2 teams at every age level. On Wednesday they took an aggressive game to Kilcoo and to be fair were physical for them. On the other hand, Kilcoo was missing a few regulars who will be starting v Clonduff. A lot of observers from Wednesday night have been writing obituaries for Kilcoo but I won't be buying a mass card for the pride of East Down yet.

Congratulations, that is probably the tallest mountain of s**** I've ever seen posted on here. And that's saying something
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on August 19, 2022, 01:58:25 PM
Some of it s h ite but some truth also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 19, 2022, 02:10:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 19, 2022, 12:53:44 PM
I'm not a wind up merchant. I'm just someone who happened to learn a lot, in a short space of time, about the shambles that is the disciplinary process set by GAA HQ.

CCC would be wasting time for everyone and anyone to award anything other than one match bans to those who were sent off. Not their fault, that's just the way it is.

CCC will also have to dish out a fine of £500 or £1,000 to each club, as that's their precedent in these situations.

Beyond that, move on

Correct.

1 match ban to be served in the 2023 league.

Fines it is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 19, 2022, 09:02:36 PM
Castlewellan, Rostrevor, Ballyholand & Downpatrick all down?

Replaced by Longstone & Bredagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on August 20, 2022, 12:08:05 AM
Take league points off them next year, -15 points woul shake them up .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on August 20, 2022, 12:49:46 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on August 19, 2022, 09:02:36 PM
Castlewellan, Rostrevor, Ballyholand & Downpatrick all down?

Replaced by Longstone & Bredagh?
I make it

Division 1 next year.

Burren
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Clonduff
CPN
Bryansford
Carryduff
Loughinisland
Longstone
Bredagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on August 20, 2022, 12:10:49 PM
What is going on in Castlewellan,  that is some hammering the week before the championship starts??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 20, 2022, 03:58:37 PM
Bryansford a bit fortunate last night; Rostrevor had a needless red card (and perhaps slightly harsh) early in the 2nd half, but as usual, the team that needs the win usually gets the win. Shooting from both sides was abysmal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 20, 2022, 11:48:52 PM
How come we don't do a season ticket for all championship games in football and hurling the way the likes of Armagh and Derry do? Armagh is £80 and Derry £70 for all games - surely the county board shud look at something like this??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 22, 2022, 09:54:17 AM
What's going on in Castlewellan, that was some hammering on Friday. Great to see Bryansford staying up after a tough week for the club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 22, 2022, 10:33:17 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 20, 2022, 11:48:52 PM
How come we don't do a season ticket for all championship games in football and hurling the way the likes of Armagh and Derry do? Armagh is £80 and Derry £70 for all games - surely the county board shud look at something like this??

I assume you're a club member?

Ask your county board rep?

That's why clubs have a rep.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on August 22, 2022, 11:48:37 AM
Where do all these clubs get the money from
Burren in ballybofey for a training weekend
Rostrevor in johnstown house
Drumgath in gweedore for the weekend as well

3 teams with big ambitions this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on August 22, 2022, 12:18:22 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on August 22, 2022, 11:48:37 AM
Where do all these clubs get the money from
Burren in ballybofey for a training weekend
Rostrevor in johnstown house
Drumgath in gweedore for the weekend as well

3 teams with big ambitions this year

Do you just make this stuff up? Drumgath were training on their own field at 9 am yesterday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 22, 2022, 12:53:59 PM
Burren will win Ulster this year. Up in Ballybofey getting a training camp that Jim McGuinness was attending. With the talent at their disposal this year it would be a massive underachievement if they don't at least win another Ulster title. The money and preparation they've put in this year to keep men in the country and sort other lads with jobs etc I would be shocked if they're beaten again in 2022. Great to see the kingpins of Down finally back where they belong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 22, 2022, 01:56:29 PM
Burren v Bridge- Burren to win by 8
Kilcoo v Clonduff- Kilcoo by 2
CPN v Saul- CPN by 2
Ballyholland v Stone- Stone by 1
An Riocht v RGU- RGU by 8
Carryduff v Ford- Carryduff by 4
Loughinisland v Castlewellan- Island by 4
Glenn v Bredagh- Glenn by 6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on August 22, 2022, 02:10:26 PM
DJ and enda gormley gone from darragh cross
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on August 22, 2022, 02:52:23 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 22, 2022, 12:53:59 PM
Burren will win Ulster this year. Up in Ballybofey getting a training camp that Jim McGuinness was attending. With the talent at their disposal this year it would be a massive underachievement if they don't at least win another Ulster title. The money and preparation they've put in this year to keep men in the country and sort other lads with jobs etc I would be shocked if they're beaten again in 2022. Great to see the kingpins of Down finally back where they belong.

Just to let you know half the teams in Ulster have had training sessions with Jim McGuinness this year. He must be making a fortune doing it. Burren are the 5th club team i've heard doing this so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 22, 2022, 03:44:52 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 22, 2022, 12:53:59 PM
Burren will win Ulster this year. Up in Ballybofey getting a training camp that Jim McGuinness was attending. With the talent at their disposal this year it would be a massive underachievement if they don't at least win another Ulster title. The money and preparation they've put in this year to keep men in the country and sort other lads with jobs etc I would be shocked if they're beaten again in 2022. Great to see the kingpins of Down finally back where they belong.

Burren minors are playing the county minor semi-final tonight in Kilcoo. Therefore a  presentation will take place at halftime of the Frank O'Hare and Seamus McFerran cups to Jim McCorry by Roger Morgan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on August 22, 2022, 03:53:14 PM
Sure Rodger might as well present the all ireland trophy also...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 22, 2022, 05:05:43 PM
I've seen and heard nothing that removes Kilcoo as firm favourites for the Down SFC again. They haven't shown their full hand in any games yet this year but are still ticking along really nicely, no doubt Burren have seriously improved but not sure this year will be theirs.

Love to see a championship package this year, coverage last year was very good. Is there anything out yet about what games will be covered this weekend?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 22, 2022, 05:06:26 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 22, 2022, 03:44:52 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 22, 2022, 12:53:59 PM
Burren will win Ulster this year. Up in Ballybofey getting a training camp that Jim McGuinness was attending. With the talent at their disposal this year it would be a massive underachievement if they don't at least win another Ulster title. The money and preparation they've put in this year to keep men in the country and sort other lads with jobs etc I would be shocked if they're beaten again in 2022. Great to see the kingpins of Down finally back where they belong.

Burren minors are playing the county minor semi-final tonight in Kilcoo. Therefore a  presentation will take place at halftime of the Frank O'Hare and Seamus McFerran cups to Jim McCorry by Roger Morgan.

Would the trophy not be presented to the captain or has Jim got the boots out for the occasion?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on August 22, 2022, 05:41:33 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 22, 2022, 05:05:43 PM
I've seen and heard nothing that removes Kilcoo as firm favourites for the Down SFC again. They haven't shown their full hand in any games yet this year but are still ticking along really nicely, no doubt Burren have seriously improved but not sure this year will be theirs.

Love to see a championship package this year, coverage last year was very good. Is there anything out yet about what games will be covered this weekend?

They had up during the league final the games that were planned for streaming. It looked like quite a few but I couldn't remember them all. I think the game from Darragh was marked for Thursday night but I'll happily be corrected if wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 23, 2022, 09:01:22 AM
The Kingdom will be waking up full of regrets after throwing away a chance to reach the minor championship final versus Burren in Kilcoo last night. If they keep them players together then they won't be in division 3 for too long. Is this Burren's fifth or sixth minor final in a row?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 23, 2022, 11:37:36 AM
Just hope the streams are a little better than some of the locations last year, just made for awkward viewing at points. But overall great service in first attempt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on August 23, 2022, 03:43:35 PM
The streamed games list is up now.

Loughinisland v Castlewellan
Kilcoo v Clonduff
Liatroim v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Longstone
Carryduff v Bryansford
Burren v Mayobridge

£6 a game. Or £21 for all 6 which is good if the quality is decent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 23, 2022, 06:51:53 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on August 22, 2022, 11:48:37 AM
Where do all these clubs get the money from
Burren in ballybofey for a training weekend
Rostrevor in johnstown house
Drumgath in gweedore for the weekend as well

3 teams with big ambitions this year

Rostrevor certainly weren't in Johnstown House, but whatever makes a good story  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 23, 2022, 07:19:51 PM
** Johns TownHouse
It's a 3 storey overlooking the bay there 😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 23, 2022, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: supersub on August 23, 2022, 06:51:53 PM
Quote from: lumpitin on August 22, 2022, 11:48:37 AM
Where do all these clubs get the money from
Burren in ballybofey for a training weekend
Rostrevor in johnstown house
Drumgath in gweedore for the weekend as well

3 teams with big ambitions this year

Rostrevor certainly weren't in Johnstown House, but whatever makes a good story  ::)

Should have gone to the Busy Bee.
Lot of prominent people dine there!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RandyDupree on August 23, 2022, 10:31:20 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on August 23, 2022, 03:43:35 PM
The streamed games list is up now.

Loughinisland v Castlewellan
Kilcoo v Clonduff
Liatroim v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Longstone
Carryduff v Bryansford
Burren v Mayobridge

£6 a game. Or £21 for all 6 which is good if the quality is decent.

Dates & times?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 24, 2022, 10:30:42 AM
All on Down website there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 24, 2022, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: RandyDupree on August 23, 2022, 10:31:20 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on August 23, 2022, 03:43:35 PM
The streamed games list is up now.

Loughinisland v Castlewellan
Kilcoo v Clonduff
Liatroim v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Longstone
Carryduff v Bryansford
Burren v Mayobridge

£6 a game. Or £21 for all 6 which is good if the quality is decent.

Dates & times?

Great value from the county board who get a lot of negative vibes on this forum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 24, 2022, 01:24:56 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on August 23, 2022, 03:43:35 PM
The streamed games list is up now.

Loughinisland v Castlewellan
Kilcoo v Clonduff
Liatroim v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Longstone
Carryduff v Bryansford
Burren v Mayobridge

£6 a game. Or £21 for all 6 which is good if the quality is decent.
All good games maybe bar L-island and C-wellan.
Predictions
L-Island
Kilcoo
Liatroim
Longstone
Carryduff
Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on August 24, 2022, 02:20:48 PM
Glenn v Bredagh - Bredagh by 4
Loughinisland v Castlewellan - Loughinisland by 8
Kilcoo v Clonduff - Kilcoo by 3
RGU Downpatrick v An Riocht - RGU by 6
Ballyholland v Longstone - Draw after 60, Ballyholland by 1 AET
Carryduff v Bryansford - Bryansford by 2
Warrenpoint v Saul - Point by 7
Burren v Mayobridge - Burren by 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 24, 2022, 02:37:43 PM
Quote from: SamFever on August 24, 2022, 01:24:56 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on August 23, 2022, 03:43:35 PM
The streamed games list is up now.

Loughinisland v Castlewellan
Kilcoo v Clonduff
Liatroim v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Longstone
Carryduff v Bryansford
Burren v Mayobridge

£6 a game. Or £21 for all 6 which is good if the quality is decent.
All good games maybe bar L-island and C-wellan.
Predictions
L-Island
Kilcoo
Liatroim
Longstone
Carryduff
Burren
Downpatrick
   Bredagh
    CPN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 24, 2022, 08:26:21 PM
Anyone know what the stream quality will be like from Darraghcross?? Not able to get to the game so was going to stream it but was there not some problems from there last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on August 25, 2022, 09:18:05 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 24, 2022, 08:26:21 PM
Anyone know what the stream quality will be like from Darraghcross?? Not able to get to the game so was going to stream it but was there not some problems from there last year?

I think it was Leitrim that they tried to stream from last year and caused all the problems?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 25, 2022, 11:39:35 AM
Did anyone see yesterday's Irish news with the interview with Liam Kerr and think that Burren has got more coverage out of last weeks league win than Kilcoo got when they won the All-Ireland?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 25, 2022, 12:20:17 PM
No.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 25, 2022, 04:35:47 PM
Was it not Ballymartin where picture was freezing a lot?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on August 25, 2022, 04:42:56 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 25, 2022, 04:35:47 PM
Was it not Ballymartin where picture was freezing a lot?

Oh yeah I bought the game from Ballymartin between Warrenpoint and Longstone and you're right, kept missing scores for it freezing. Again, not blaming the lads because they provide an excellent service, just another ground where signal can be iffy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 25, 2022, 05:25:55 PM
Quote from: RandyDupree on August 23, 2022, 10:31:20 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on August 23, 2022, 03:43:35 PM
The streamed games list is up now.

Loughinisland v Castlewellan
Kilcoo v Clonduff
Liatroim v Rostrevor
Ballyholland v Longstone
Carryduff v Bryansford
Burren v Mayobridge

£6 a game. Or £21 for all 6 which is good if the quality is decent.

Dates & times?

Bone idol.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on August 25, 2022, 10:44:57 PM
Fantastic performance from Glenn this evening. Flew out of the traps scoring 2-2 in the 1st 6mins. Bredagh came back into it slightly only for Glenn to hit the net again and were comfortable the rest of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 26, 2022, 09:58:48 AM
Stream was good last night, not sure we'll see either team past the quarters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 10:45:46 AM
Loughinsinisland were poor but to be honest, the Town showed a fight and their aim now is to stay in the senior championship and regroup for the next season. Castlewellan is a strong club who needs to be producing players for our county like before, they need more male footballers involved in coaching as hurling has taken over. It's good to see the minors in a championship final albeit at B level but it's a start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 26, 2022, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 10:45:46 AM
Loughinsinisland were poor but to be honest, the Town showed a fight and their aim now is to stay in the senior championship and regroup for the next season. Castlewellan is a strong club who needs to be producing players for our county like before, they need more male footballers involved in coaching as hurling has taken over. It's good to see the minors in a championship final albeit at B level but it's a start.

Castlewellan getting strong at underage hurling, good to see for East Down, South Down, the whole of Down.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 26, 2022, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 10:45:46 AM
Loughinsinisland were poor but to be honest, the Town showed a fight and their aim now is to stay in the senior championship and regroup for the next season. Castlewellan is a strong club who needs to be producing players for our county like before, they need more male footballers involved in coaching as hurling has taken over. It's good to see the minors in a championship final albeit at B level but it's a start.

Castlewellan getting strong at underage hurling, good to see for East Down, South Down, the whole of Down.

Yes it is great to see and fair play to the coaches who are pushing it on but the football has taken a hit and the Town who used to be the kingpins at underage in East Down and county finals are now used to playing in B championships
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on August 26, 2022, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 26, 2022, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 10:45:46 AM
Loughinsinisland were poor but to be honest, the Town showed a fight and their aim now is to stay in the senior championship and regroup for the next season. Castlewellan is a strong club who needs to be producing players for our county like before, they need more male footballers involved in coaching as hurling has taken over. It's good to see the minors in a championship final albeit at B level but it's a start.

Castlewellan getting strong at underage hurling, good to see for East Down, South Down, the whole of Down.

Yes it is great to see and fair play to the coaches who are pushing it on but the football has taken a hit and the Town who used to be the kingpins at underage in East Down and county finals are now used to playing in B championships

The hurling has improved in the last 3 or 4 years - when's the last time Castlewellan were on top juvenile football in East Down - the early 90s?? How come in Down if hurling does well that's the reason football isn't going well? When Liatroim had a strong group of minors they did well at both. Slaughtneil prove this argument wrong year after year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 12:53:20 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on August 26, 2022, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 26, 2022, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 10:45:46 AM
Loughinsinisland were poor but to be honest, the Town showed a fight and their aim now is to stay in the senior championship and regroup for the next season. Castlewellan is a strong club who needs to be producing players for our county like before, they need more male footballers involved in coaching as hurling has taken over. It's good to see the minors in a championship final albeit at B level but it's a start.

Castlewellan getting strong at underage hurling, good to see for East Down, South Down, the whole of Down.

Yes it is great to see and fair play to the coaches who are pushing it on but the football has taken a hit and the Town who used to be the kingpins at underage in East Down and county finals are now used to playing in B championships

The hurling has improved in the last 3 or 4 years - when's the last time Castlewellan were on top juvenile football in East Down - the early 90s?? How come in Down if hurling does well that's the reason football isn't going well? When Liatroim had a strong group of minors they did well at both. Slaughtneil prove this argument wrong year after year.

Alot of East Down underage titles at the turn of the century and won a minor championship in 2006.
Some would say Liatrioms biggest problem is the dual success with both codes in intermediate with a very talented group of players. It's bound to be very hard to play hurling on a Monday and a football game on Friday. Even for team preparations its bound to be a nightmare, fire in a soccer game on a Saturday in the Bobby Dazzell cup for some players and you can see where problems arise
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on August 26, 2022, 01:36:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 12:53:20 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on August 26, 2022, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 26, 2022, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 10:45:46 AM
Loughinsinisland were poor but to be honest, the Town showed a fight and their aim now is to stay in the senior championship and regroup for the next season. Castlewellan is a strong club who needs to be producing players for our county like before, they need more male footballers involved in coaching as hurling has taken over. It's good to see the minors in a championship final albeit at B level but it's a start.

Castlewellan getting strong at underage hurling, good to see for East Down, South Down, the whole of Down.

Yes it is great to see and fair play to the coaches who are pushing it on but the football has taken a hit and the Town who used to be the kingpins at underage in East Down and county finals are now used to playing in B championships

The hurling has improved in the last 3 or 4 years - when's the last time Castlewellan were on top juvenile football in East Down - the early 90s?? How come in Down if hurling does well that's the reason football isn't going well? When Liatroim had a strong group of minors they did well at both. Slaughtneil prove this argument wrong year after year.

Alot of East Down underage titles at the turn of the century and won a minor championship in 2006.
Some would say Liatrioms biggest problem is the dual success with both codes in intermediate with a very talented group of players. It's bound to be very hard to play hurling on a Monday and a football game on Friday. Even for team preparations its bound to be a nightmare, fire in a soccer game on a Saturday in the Bobby Dazzell cup for some players and you can see where problems arise

So a minor 16 years ago. How does hurling effect that in the last 4 or 5 years - we're talking about U13/U15s too not minors yet. They look like they could have a good chance at a junior title this year but in the 90s they were an intermediate hurling team and had a few dual players when winning senior football titles. It's definitely harder to play a 2nd sport now but blaming hurling on any clubs downfall is crap. A lot of the big clubs in the 90s & 2000s at underage aren't as strong as they once were - most don't play hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 26, 2022, 02:02:12 PM
Looking forward to tonight's game, should be good. Hope it's a decent game but I think it'll be defensive and slow
In fairness looking forward to Liatroim and Rostrevor tomorrow, could be a cracker.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 02:12:43 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on August 26, 2022, 01:36:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 12:53:20 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on August 26, 2022, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 26, 2022, 10:49:36 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 10:45:46 AM
Loughinsinisland were poor but to be honest, the Town showed a fight and their aim now is to stay in the senior championship and regroup for the next season. Castlewellan is a strong club who needs to be producing players for our county like before, they need more male footballers involved in coaching as hurling has taken over. It's good to see the minors in a championship final albeit at B level but it's a start.

Castlewellan getting strong at underage hurling, good to see for East Down, South Down, the whole of Down.

Yes it is great to see and fair play to the coaches who are pushing it on but the football has taken a hit and the Town who used to be the kingpins at underage in East Down and county finals are now used to playing in B championships

The hurling has improved in the last 3 or 4 years - when's the last time Castlewellan were on top juvenile football in East Down - the early 90s?? How come in Down if hurling does well that's the reason football isn't going well? When Liatroim had a strong group of minors they did well at both. Slaughtneil prove this argument wrong year after year.

Alot of East Down underage titles at the turn of the century and won a minor championship in 2006.
Some would say Liatrioms biggest problem is the dual success with both codes in intermediate with a very talented group of players. It's bound to be very hard to play hurling on a Monday and a football game on Friday. Even for team preparations its bound to be a nightmare, fire in a soccer game on a Saturday in the Bobby Dazzell cup for some players and you can see where problems arise

So a minor 16 years ago. How does hurling effect that in the last 4 or 5 years - we're talking about U13/U15s too not minors yet. They look like they could have a good chance at a junior title this year but in the 90s they were an intermediate hurling team and had a few dual players when winning senior football titles. It's definitely harder to play a 2nd sport now but blaming hurling on any clubs downfall is crap. A lot of the big clubs in the 90s & 2000s at underage aren't as strong as they once were - most don't play hurling.

The only club that clubs to mind is Rostrevor and that is largely due to housing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 26, 2022, 06:21:11 PM
So tonight the championship properly starts. Magpies v the yellas. With McConvilles broken jaw in the league meeting a few weeks ago it should add spice.

Other game of any significance is Burren v Bridge, old rivals but they are no longer rivals, Burren are well ahead of them. The dream team club management on paper of Clarke and Poacher has been very underwhelming for the Bridge.

If the big two avoid each other it's the perfect final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on August 26, 2022, 06:46:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 26, 2022, 10:45:46 AM
Loughinsinisland were poor but to be honest, the Town showed a fight and their aim now is to stay in the senior championship and regroup for the next season. Castlewellan is a strong club who needs to be producing players for our county like before, they need more male footballers involved in coaching as hurling has taken over. It's good to see the minors in a championship final albeit at B level but it's a start.

Are there going to be play offs for relegation from the SFC and IFC again, or are they going to go back to doing it via league position like they used to do
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 26, 2022, 09:16:09 PM
Clonduff WTF??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 26, 2022, 09:27:17 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on August 26, 2022, 09:16:09 PM
Clonduff WTF??

It was abysmal wasn't it? Like the Harps in semi final v CPN 3 years ago, everything that could go wrong went v wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on August 26, 2022, 10:10:16 PM
Honestly these 1st round matches I feel are dead rubber. Nothing changes for all involved both sides still in the championship and only when it becomes knockout does it really matter. Clonduff tonight wont be too worried I'd say they know they might get Kilcoo once but not twice and tonight wasn't the night to be beat them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 26, 2022, 10:22:50 PM
Quote from: thebar on August 26, 2022, 10:10:16 PM
Honestly these 1st round matches I feel are dead rubber. Nothing changes for all involved both sides still in the championship and only when it becomes knockout does it really matter. Clonduff tonight wont be too worried I'd say they know they might get Kilcoo once but not twice and tonight wasn't the night to be beat them.

Clonduff won't be too worried - I'd completely disagree with that statement. Sitting among both sets of supporters tonight and Clonduff supporters were disgusted at the performance. It's not like their team is going to change massively from tonight - they are miles behind Kilcoo, Burren and Cpn. Basic skills - miles off - fitness - miles off.  What is Dinky doing???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on August 26, 2022, 10:28:35 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 26, 2022, 10:22:50 PM
Quote from: thebar on August 26, 2022, 10:10:16 PM
Honestly these 1st round matches I feel are dead rubber. Nothing changes for all involved both sides still in the championship and only when it becomes knockout does it really matter. Clonduff tonight wont be too worried I'd say they know they might get Kilcoo once but not twice and tonight wasn't the night to be beat them.

Clonduff won't be too worried - I'd completely disagree with that statement. Sitting among both sets of supporters tonight and Clonduff supporters were disgusted at the performance. It's not like their team is going to change massively from tonight - they are miles behind Kilcoo, Burren and Cpn. Basic skills - miles off - fitness - miles off.  What is Dinky doing???

I'd tend to agree with this. While they were probably thinking a win would be a lot to ask, I'd say it was the performance more than the result that has the Clonduff faithful upset.

If you have serious championship ambitions, falling into a backdoor now where you can play the losers of Burren and the Bridge, or even the losers of Carryduff and Bryansford, you could be in trouble as none of those teams would be an easy match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on August 26, 2022, 10:36:12 PM
Kilcoo expecting a tough game tonight but clonduff offered nothing. Very disappointing game. A Burren and kilcoo final should be good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on August 26, 2022, 11:12:14 PM
Clonduff were absolutely awful 2nite, not one player put in a performance, and they could be sent packing by any team in backdoor if they don't change things.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on August 26, 2022, 11:28:52 PM
Clonduff a team of players that talk a good game
The most underwhelming team in Down football
Play decent in the league and crap in championship
I've no doubt they will beat a Castlewellan in the losers match but they will never beat a big team with this group
Barry Criticised Brannigan for questioning the Down players commitment and attitude. Barry swanned off to the states for the summer I bet ya Brannigan didn't.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on August 27, 2022, 12:53:07 AM
McBride soon be out the door from Clonduff, doesn't seem to be the man for them, has negative tactics and when trying to break down the big teams they struggle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 27, 2022, 08:15:47 AM
Can't say it surprised me, not one bit. Kilcoo better in every department, individually and tactically. As hungry as ever too. Enjoyed watching them but Clonduff where really poor, lost possession through too many individual errors, unforced.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 27, 2022, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 26, 2022, 06:21:11 PM
So tonight the championship properly starts. Magpies v the yellas. With McConvilles broken jaw in the league meeting a few weeks ago it should add spice.

Other game of any significance is Burren v Bridge, old rivals but they are no longer rivals, Burren are well ahead of them. The dream team club management on paper of Clarke and Poacher has been very underwhelming for the Bridge.

If the big two avoid each other it's the perfect final.

Properly starts you reckon ....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 27, 2022, 05:56:29 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 27, 2022, 08:15:47 AM
Can't say it surprised me, not one bit. Kilcoo better in every department, individually and tactically. As hungry as ever too. Enjoyed watching them but Clonduff where really poor, lost possession through too many individual errors, unforced.

Kilcoo were fantastic. Eugene kicking scores and running game back to its best, Ryan McEvoy commanding on edge of the square and young Rodger's in half back were the top three for me throughout. Second chance or not - Clonduff will find it hard to recover from this performance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 28, 2022, 01:27:28 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on August 26, 2022, 11:28:52 PM
Clonduff a team of players that talk a good game
The most underwhelming team in Down football
Play decent in the league and crap in championship
I've no doubt they will beat a Castlewellan in the losers match but they will never beat a big team with this group
Barry Criticised Brannigan for questioning the Down players commitment and attitude. Barry swanned off to the states for the summer I bet ya Brannigan didn't.

Clonduff with their population and numbers in the club have underachieved for years, since there last championship win in 2000 they have watched their two local rivals dominate Down football and yet they still think they are the best team in Down. I cannot remember the last underage championship they have won at A level and I think they should head to B level to start a winning culture in the mens section of the club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on August 28, 2022, 09:20:06 PM
Yeah clonduff seem to be in disarray at all levels in the club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 28, 2022, 09:34:54 PM
Clonduff have a huge population and lots of underage players who attend real football schools in St Colmans, Abbey and St Malachys Castlewellan. It beggars belief that they can't win underage titles and bring through players to compete at senior level every year. Maybe they are employing the same underage tactic as ourselves - let the teams field but winning is not the most important element of it all - maintaining players to senior level is.. it has worked for us thus far with nearly 50 players at senior level training for firsts and seconds. Winning a senior league last year was massive for us in order to keep players playing. A nice win this evening too - let's hope that keeps going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 29, 2022, 09:13:13 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 28, 2022, 09:34:54 PM
Clonduff have a huge population and lots of underage players who attend real football schools in St Colmans, Abbey and St Malachys Castlewellan. It beggars belief that they can't win underage titles and bring through players to compete at senior level every year. Maybe they are employing the same underage tactic as ourselves - let the teams field but winning is not the most important element of it all - maintaining players to senior level is.. it has worked for us thus far with nearly 50 players at senior level training for firsts and seconds. Winning a senior league last year was massive for us in order to keep players playing. A nice win this evening too - let's hope that keeps going.

Real football schools? The Abbey hasn't won a major since 2006 and St Malachys? The Shimna are pushing GAA more.

So the Points tactic is just field at underage and plays C football but as long as the children play? That sounds like excellent coaching and will be good in the long run LOL

Warrenpoint shouldnt be playing C football BTW

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 29, 2022, 09:32:08 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 29, 2022, 09:13:13 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 28, 2022, 09:34:54 PM
Clonduff have a huge population and lots of underage players who attend real football schools in St Colmans, Abbey and St Malachys Castlewellan. It beggars belief that they can't win underage titles and bring through players to compete at senior level every year. Maybe they are employing the same underage tactic as ourselves - let the teams field but winning is not the most important element of it all - maintaining players to senior level is.. it has worked for us thus far with nearly 50 players at senior level training for firsts and seconds. Winning a senior league last year was massive for us in order to keep players playing. A nice win this evening too - let's hope that keeps going.

Real football schools? The Abbey hasn't won a major since 2006 and St Malachys? The Shimna are pushing GAA more.

So the Points tactic is just field at underage and plays C football but as long as the children play? That sounds like excellent coaching and will be good in the long run LOL

Warrenpoint shouldnt be playing C football BTW

Retaining player's interest in playing football up to adult level is the most difficult aspect of youth coaching, and the fact you are dismissive of it says a great deal about your knowledge of the game. Winning at all costs at underage is not how young players develop in either ability or attitude, participation and a positive environment are far more important.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 29, 2022, 09:52:28 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on August 29, 2022, 09:32:08 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 29, 2022, 09:13:13 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 28, 2022, 09:34:54 PM
Clonduff have a huge population and lots of underage players who attend real football schools in St Colmans, Abbey and St Malachys Castlewellan. It beggars belief that they can't win underage titles and bring through players to compete at senior level every year. Maybe they are employing the same underage tactic as ourselves - let the teams field but winning is not the most important element of it all - maintaining players to senior level is.. it has worked for us thus far with nearly 50 players at senior level training for firsts and seconds. Winning a senior league last year was massive for us in order to keep players playing. A nice win this evening too - let's hope that keeps going.

Real football schools? The Abbey hasn't won a major since 2006 and St Malachys? The Shimna are pushing GAA more.

So the Points tactic is just field at underage and plays C football but as long as the children play? That sounds like excellent coaching and will be good in the long run LOL

Warrenpoint shouldnt be playing C football BTW

Retaining player's interest in playing football up to adult level is the most difficult aspect of youth coaching, and the fact you are dismissive of it says a great deal about your knowledge of the game. Winning at all costs at underage is not how young players develop in either ability or attitude, participation and a positive environment are far more important.

I wasn't dismissive of it but if you want to win at the senior level then a strong underage system is needed. A winning mentality at underage gives you an edge at the senior level. It's just a fact of life. Kilcoos recent success was from hard work and from winning underage championships.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on August 29, 2022, 09:57:59 AM
Warrenpoint should definitely be not playing c football at underage. Entering teams in a 13 a side competition. Shouldn't be allowed for div 1 clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on August 29, 2022, 01:05:56 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 29, 2022, 09:57:59 AM
Warrenpoint should definitely be not playing c football at underage. Entering teams in a 13 a side competition. Shouldn't be allowed for div 1 clubs.

I'd agree with that in principle but what do they do if they don't have the players to compete at the top level. You can't expect them to get hammered every week either. They shouldn't be in C competitions but maybe that was a one off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 29, 2022, 01:38:21 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on August 29, 2022, 01:05:56 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 29, 2022, 09:57:59 AM
Warrenpoint should definitely be not playing c football at underage. Entering teams in a 13 a side competition. Shouldn't be allowed for div 1 clubs.

I'd agree with that in principle but what do they do if they don't have the players to compete at the top level. You can't expect them to get hammered every week either. They shouldn't be in C competitions but maybe that was a one off.


The county board shouldn't allow it, but the problem is that coaches are afraid to test themselves versus the best and are happy to collect a tea cup and think they are brilliant. In fairness to Clonduff they always seem to play at the highest level without winning trophys.

One example in Newry Bosco who is in this year's u15 b championship final but 2 years previously  were beaten by Ballyholland in the u13 south Down A final. How can you go from a divisional A final to B football in 2 years?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 29, 2022, 01:51:43 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 29, 2022, 01:38:21 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on August 29, 2022, 01:05:56 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 29, 2022, 09:57:59 AM
Warrenpoint should definitely be not playing c football at underage. Entering teams in a 13 a side competition. Shouldn't be allowed for div 1 clubs.

I'd agree with that in principle but what do they do if they don't have the players to compete at the top level. You can't expect them to get hammered every week either. They shouldn't be in C competitions but maybe that was a one off.


The county board shouldn't allow it, but the problem is that coaches are afraid to test themselves versus the best and are happy to collect a tea cup and think they are brilliant. In fairness to Clonduff they always seem to play at the highest level without winning trophys.

One example in Newry Bosco who is in this year's u15 b championship final but 2 years previously  were beaten by Ballyholland in the u13 south Down A final. How can you go from a divisional A final to B football in 2 years?

Maybe Bosco have lost some of those players during the last 2 years? As many other clubs did during Covid. And sure Bosco seniors are in division 4 next year so make your mind up about how underage teams are placed in their respective competitions.

Having a currently strong senior team is nothing to do with what sort of under 13 team a club has. It has no bearing on how many kids were born in the area 13 years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 29, 2022, 02:43:10 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on August 29, 2022, 01:51:43 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 29, 2022, 01:38:21 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on August 29, 2022, 01:05:56 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 29, 2022, 09:57:59 AM
Warrenpoint should definitely be not playing c football at underage. Entering teams in a 13 a side competition. Shouldn't be allowed for div 1 clubs.

I'd agree with that in principle but what do they do if they don't have the players to compete at the top level. You can't expect them to get hammered every week either. They shouldn't be in C competitions but maybe that was a one off.


The county board shouldn't allow it, but the problem is that coaches are afraid to test themselves versus the best and are happy to collect a tea cup and think they are brilliant. In fairness to Clonduff they always seem to play at the highest level without winning trophys.

One example in Newry Bosco who is in this year's u15 b championship final but 2 years previously  were beaten by Ballyholland in the u13 south Down A final. How can you go from a divisional A final to B football in 2 years?

Maybe Bosco have lost some of those players during the last 2 years? As many other clubs did during Covid. And sure Bosco seniors are in division 4 next year so make your mind up about how underage teams are placed in their respective competitions.

Having a currently strong senior team is nothing to do with what sort of under 13 team a club has. It has no bearing on how many kids were born in the area 13 years ago.


I never said that.

My point is that there are certain clubs that will try to pull a fly one to win a lower ranked competition just to win a trophy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 29, 2022, 03:29:33 PM
Player development and retention has to be high on coach/club agendas and there are many split views on how that's measured or achieved. Coming3rd in an A league or winning a C league - Which is better, winning breeds winners or playing at highest level.
I'd much rather have a team not winning medals but competing at higher level.

Any reports from games yesterday? 

Burren my guess for tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 29, 2022, 03:48:34 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 29, 2022, 03:29:33 PM
Player development and retention has to be high on coach/club agendas and there are many split views on how that's measured or achieved. Coming3rd in an A league or winning a C league - Which is better, winning breeds winners or playing at highest level.
I'd much rather have a team not winning medals but competing at higher level.

Any reports from games yesterday? 

Burren my guess for tonight.

Bryansford was poor enough yesterday but Carryduff is dangerous, a big strong team with Donnelly in midfield. They are dark horses as are Warrenpoint who are coming in under the rador.

Burren are strong favorites tonight and will be interesting to see how they play tonight as all eyes are on them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 29, 2022, 04:54:46 PM
I'd love to say Carryduff or Warrenpoint will give it a good crack but I just don't see it. Unless they get an easier path to the final and avoid the other 2.
Looking forward to seeing Burren tonight but get the feeling a defensive set up will be in effect and ruin the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 29, 2022, 05:26:23 PM
Have Carryduff regressed a bit since they got to the championship final?

They've added Donnelly & they've a couple of younger lads involved but they've had a large turnover of players which has been their thing for many years.
I thought with them mostly being home grown that might change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 29, 2022, 05:58:55 PM
I'm not sure they've regressed, maybe just haven't kicked on as we thought they might.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 29, 2022, 10:21:56 PM
Burren were very lucky tonight. Charlie Smyth kicks the dead ball over in normal time and it was game over. Not too many tasty clashes in the next round of senior and intermediate either..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 29, 2022, 10:30:30 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 29, 2022, 05:58:55 PM
I'm not sure they've regressed, maybe just haven't kicked on as we thought they might.
They made the SFC final two seasons ago and took the eventual AI champions to extra time in last year's championship. In fact the only team to beat them on championship football the past two seasons is Kilcoo.

What level of kicking on does one need to see?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: African Sunset on August 29, 2022, 11:00:44 PM
Decent enough game in the marshes this evening. You can't help but wonder if the Bridge lost because all their players were cramping up in extra time when none of the Burren lads appeared to be suffering. Bridge lads aren't being trained appropriately, perhaps?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on August 29, 2022, 11:30:25 PM
Quote from: African Sunset on August 29, 2022, 11:00:44 PM
Decent enough game in the marshes this evening. You can't help but wonder if the Bridge lost because all their players were cramping up in extra time when none of the Burren lads appeared to be suffering. Bridge lads aren't being trained appropriately, perhaps?

Bridge manager looks well conditioned and in good nick all the same
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on August 30, 2022, 10:28:42 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 27, 2022, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on August 26, 2022, 06:21:11 PM
So tonight the championship properly starts. Magpies v the yellas. With McConvilles broken jaw in the league meeting a few weeks ago it should add spice.

Other game of any significance is Burren v Bridge, old rivals but they are no longer rivals, Burren are well ahead of them. The dream team club management on paper of Clarke and Poacher has been very underwhelming for the Bridge.

If the big two avoid each other it's the perfect final.

Properly starts you reckon ....
One from two, best game of the weekend last night, Bridge won't get a better chance to beat Burren or Kilcoo this year. Burren showed a mental toughness towards the end, the money they are spending this year in the chase for Frank is crazy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 30, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
Wobbler, progression isn't solely about how far in a Championship campaign you go, there's more to it than that. Stabilise your position in Div 1, create a stable underage program with facilities to bring the next generation through, improve the players you have in the senior squad, add depth to the squad. Getting knocked out by the winners isn't an achievement or barometer in my opinion   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on August 30, 2022, 01:11:37 PM
Quote from: African Sunset on August 29, 2022, 11:00:44 PM
Decent enough game in the marshes this evening. You can't help but wonder if the Bridge lost because all their players were cramping up in extra time when none of the Burren lads appeared to be suffering. Bridge lads aren't being trained appropriately, perhaps?

Burren a young team too - that might have been a factor - think there were 5 or 6 u20s on Burren starting team.

Bridge should have won it in normal time though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on August 30, 2022, 03:03:06 PM
Anyone know how relegation from the championships works this year and who replaces relegated teams? Is qualification based on League finish 2022? Example Rostrevor got relegated from Senior Championship last year is their only route to next years Senior Championship by Winning Intermediate or re they in based on finishing inside top 16 teams via league. An Riocht won Inter last year but have been relegated to Div 3. Are they still in next years Senior Championship unless they get relegated from that Championship?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on August 30, 2022, 03:48:05 PM
The only way to be promoted to a championship above your current grade is to win your current grade . The only way to get relegated is to lose in the relegation playoffs in each championship grade . League positions are irrelevant as far as I'm aware
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 30, 2022, 09:39:38 PM
Bridge don't have the stones to beat Burren simple as that. Should've could've would've the last few years and fall short when it matters. Even if they snuck a win last night Burren would hammer them when it matters. It's between Burren and Kilcoo, the rest are a sideshow. Point have far too many men missing, I hardly knew any of their players on Sunday and Kilcoo look as hungry as ever. Clonduff are a spent force and Carryduff are nowhere near Burren. Burren still win the lot for me, clean sweep pending
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 30, 2022, 10:54:25 PM

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One from two, best game of the weekend last night, Bridge won't get a better chance to beat Burren or Kilcoo this year. Burren showed a mental toughness towards the end, the money they are spending this year in the chase for Frank is crazy.
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It's utter madness the money being spent by them. Their management team alone would cost a packet before you consider big McGuinness taking sessions. But they have the backers with deep pockets!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on August 30, 2022, 11:03:29 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 30, 2022, 11:24:26 AM
Wobbler, progression isn't solely about how far in a Championship campaign you go, there's more to it than that. Stabilise your position in Div 1, create a stable underage program with facilities to bring the next generation through, improve the players you have in the senior squad, add depth to the squad. Getting knocked out by the winners isn't an achievement or barometer in my opinion

Have they not done all that too?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 31, 2022, 10:50:13 AM
I think they have certainly made big strides in these regards yes, that just solidifies my argument though. Progression is more than Champiosnhip games. Your view point regarded success as their senior teams Championship prospects, unless I got that wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 31, 2022, 06:40:42 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on August 30, 2022, 03:48:05 PM
The only way to be promoted to a championship above your current grade is to win your current grade . The only way to get relegated is to lose in the relegation playoffs in each championship grade . League positions are irrelevant as far as I'm aware

Will they not revert back to pre 2021?

Ie. Top 15 in the league + intermediate champs?

They only changed to due to no relegation in covid seasons?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on August 31, 2022, 09:48:49 PM
I like the way it is. More games to watch and a good edge to them in the relegation side of things. Although could be very flawed if an riocht were to stay in senior championship and play in div 3 next year.

Burren will be very happy with their game and win on Monday night. Good touch game which will stand to them and surely only the start for them to go all the way to county final and beyond. They could go the whole way and take kilcoos crown I reckon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on September 01, 2022, 10:23:28 AM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on August 31, 2022, 09:48:49 PM
I like the way it is. More games to watch and a good edge to them in the relegation side of things. Although could be very flawed if an riocht were to stay in senior championship and play in div 3 next year.

Yes I agree, and in reality it is in line with other counties who have been working this system for years.

Although I get the An Riocht point, because on the flip side Longstone are almost certainly going to be in the relegation playoffs and Bredagh have a tough game too that could see them fall into the playoffs, as well as one of Clonduff/Bryansford. So we could have a div 3 playing senior and a div 1 playing intermediate if the stars align
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 01, 2022, 05:38:20 PM

Burren will be very happy with their game and win on Monday night. Good touch game which will stand to them and surely only the start for them to go all the way to county final and beyond. They could go the whole way and take kilcoos crown I reckon.
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With Jim mcguiness on board anything is possible
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on September 03, 2022, 10:33:16 AM
 Hearing that a few previous panellists will not make themselves available to CL if asked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on September 03, 2022, 11:48:08 AM
Players need to realise they play for the county, it shouldn't matter who the manager is. We can't have this perpetual cycle of different players opting out because of the manager. I played under plenty of guys I didn't get on with or thought they were awful but they never stopped me playing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on September 03, 2022, 01:04:32 PM
I wouldn't be too bothered about this. There is not many of previous panelists you want as part of a  long term plan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 04, 2022, 09:24:12 PM
Burren win yet another minor title. They must have won 6 out of the last 10? How do they keep their players interested in staying around? With all these players at their disposal - how are they underachieving so badly at senior level with one senior title in that decade?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on September 05, 2022, 02:50:51 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 04, 2022, 09:24:12 PM
Burren win yet another minor title. They must have won 6 out of the last 10? How do they keep their players interested in staying around? With all these players at their disposal - how are they underachieving so badly at senior level with one senior title in that decade?
One word answer here: Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 05, 2022, 03:21:33 PM
Bredagh beating Ballygalget at the weekend must have been the 1st time in a long time, a non-Ards club beat an Ards club.

Maybe Laoitrim have done it at some stage, or would it go right back to when Kilclief reigned supreme.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 05, 2022, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: ardtole on September 05, 2022, 03:21:33 PM
Bredagh beating Ballygalget at the weekend must have been the 1st time in a long time, a non-Ards club beat an Ards club.

Maybe Laoitrim have done it at some stage, or would it go right back to when Kilclief reigned supreme.
No, beat one of them in the championship previously
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on September 05, 2022, 04:11:20 PM
I imagine it's been a very difficult weekend for the Ballygalget club.  Lost a legend well before his time.  RIP Spike.  Used to love watching him play for club and county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 05, 2022, 04:41:05 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 04, 2022, 09:24:12 PM
Burren win yet another minor title. They must have won 6 out of the last 10? How do they keep their players interested in staying around? With all these players at their disposal - how are they underachieving so badly at senior level with one senior title in that decade?

Watched this one on PaircTv, Burren got a few fortuitous goals and Mayobridge got a player sent off when the game was in the melting pot which sort of ruined it as a contest. Very impressed with Woods and Mussen from Burren and Woods and Clerkin from Mayobridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 05, 2022, 04:49:01 PM
Quote from: No1 on September 05, 2022, 04:11:20 PM
I imagine it's been a very difficult weekend for the Ballygalget club.  Lost a legend well before his time.  RIP Spike.  Used to love watching him play for club and county.

An absolute great hurler, one of the greatest we have ever produced but a real good man and good clubman . RIP Spike.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 05, 2022, 06:06:44 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 04, 2022, 09:24:12 PM
Burren win yet another minor title. They must have won 6 out of the last 10? How do they keep their players interested in staying around? With all these players at their disposal - how are they underachieving so badly at senior level with one senior title in that decade?
Young people are much more transient these days; it's a big world, and if they a want a successful career and a fulfilling life, they need to travel while they're young.
I was a mentor in a minor team in the mid 2000s, won the minor title easily; 3 yrs later all but two of them had left Ireland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 05, 2022, 10:35:26 PM
Benny, Darren and Donal in with the minors. Strong south down connect again with another Burren man in the picture. They must have serious connections on the county board.
I agree with the previous statements about young lads having their head turned by other things in life apart from GAA. Hard to blame them.

Big weekend of action ahead - Hope this weather fecks off so the games aren ruined.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on September 06, 2022, 06:31:19 AM
Best of luck to Benny with the minors.
Good back room team with him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on September 06, 2022, 07:32:16 AM
Think Benny has easy down men in with him too but like does it really matter? Managers will pick the best players if they want to play and show their stuff no matter where they are from imo. If you can give me an example of this being different then let us know!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 06, 2022, 07:52:55 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 05, 2022, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: ardtole on September 05, 2022, 03:21:33 PM
Bredagh beating Ballygalget at the weekend must have been the 1st time in a long time, a non-Ards club beat an Ards club.

Maybe Laoitrim have done it at some stage, or would it go right back to when Kilclief reigned supreme.
No, beat one of them in the championship previously

Bredagh have beat both ourselves and Ballycran last year, so not really a surprise. We've fallen down and will take a while to get back up and not taking away from Bredagh who've some fine hurlers in their team and probably should be with the county panel if not already.

RIP Martin Spike Baile, the last few years have been hard on the family as he'd an aggressive form of dementia take hold, hard to watch the impact it had on him, big, strong lad wasting away. Only turned 60 the other week.

Some player in his day, very unpredictable in all sorts of ways and was in his pomp when a lot of us young lads started coming through, he'd always look out for you, some craic on team building nights out.

Condolences to Sheila, Shane, Naomi, Caolan and especially the Da, Seamus, our treasurer for lord knows how many years, runs the bar, cuts the grass, you name it.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 06, 2022, 08:53:47 AM
Good luck Benny , who are the east Down men in with him? Has he a strength and conditioning coach? What is the management team?

Well done to the county board on getting early and impressive setups, let's get this great county moving forward again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 06, 2022, 09:12:36 AM
Great appointment and well done to the county board on 2 quick appointments

Nephew plays for Rostrevor and they think so highly of him. Getting O Hare and O Hagen on board should be good as those young lads will no doubt have look up to them.

East Down South Down who cares? The best players will be picked

This County need an upturn so now let the lads get to work I'm sure Conor L will take no crap and get rid of all the bluffers

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 06, 2022, 10:34:40 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 06, 2022, 07:52:55 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 05, 2022, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: ardtole on September 05, 2022, 03:21:33 PM
Bredagh beating Ballygalget at the weekend must have been the 1st time in a long time, a non-Ards club beat an Ards club.

Maybe Laoitrim have done it at some stage, or would it go right back to when Kilclief reigned supreme.
No, beat one of them in the championship previously

Bredagh have beat both ourselves and Ballycran last year, so not really a surprise. We've fallen down and will take a while to get back up and not taking away from Bredagh who've some fine hurlers in their team and probably should be with the county panel if not already.

RIP Martin Spike Baile, the last few years have been hard on the family as he'd an aggressive form of dementia take hold, hard to watch the impact it had on him, big, strong lad wasting away. Only turned 60 the other week.

Some player in his day, very unpredictable in all sorts of ways and was in his pomp when a lot of us young lads started coming through, he'd always look out for you, some craic on team building nights out.

Condolences to Sheila, Shane, Naomi, Caolan and especially the Da, Seamus, our treasurer for lord knows how many years, runs the bar, cuts the grass, you name it.

What is the landscape like now in Down regards club hurling at underage? I see Castlewellan are into 'A' grade finals at U-13 and U-15 level. Are some of the mainland clubs now on par with Ards' sides in most age groups?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 06, 2022, 02:18:25 PM
Is there no live streams this weekend? Enjoyed all that coverage last week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 06, 2022, 02:29:47 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 06, 2022, 10:34:40 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 06, 2022, 07:52:55 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 05, 2022, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: ardtole on September 05, 2022, 03:21:33 PM
Bredagh beating Ballygalget at the weekend must have been the 1st time in a long time, a non-Ards club beat an Ards club.

Maybe Laoitrim have done it at some stage, or would it go right back to when Kilclief reigned supreme.
No, beat one of them in the championship previously

Bredagh have beat both ourselves and Ballycran last year, so not really a surprise. We've fallen down and will take a while to get back up and not taking away from Bredagh who've some fine hurlers in their team and probably should be with the county panel if not already.

RIP Martin Spike Baile, the last few years have been hard on the family as he'd an aggressive form of dementia take hold, hard to watch the impact it had on him, big, strong lad wasting away. Only turned 60 the other week.

Some player in his day, very unpredictable in all sorts of ways and was in his pomp when a lot of us young lads started coming through, he'd always look out for you, some craic on team building nights out.

Condolences to Sheila, Shane, Naomi, Caolan and especially the Da, Seamus, our treasurer for lord knows how many years, runs the bar, cuts the grass, you name it.

What is the landscape like now in Down regards club hurling at underage? I see Castlewellan are into 'A' grade finals at U-13 and U-15 level. Are some of the mainland clubs now on par with Ards' sides in most age groups?

Castlewellan are coming strong at U15, in saying that I was surprised they beat Portaferry in Portaferry on Sunday past as the Ports would have been considered strong favourites based on results going into that game but they did beat us in the U13 final last year so they should be there or there abouts.
U13 they're the strongest team I've saw this year and should win that one.
They've also got a strong P7 outfit to boot in the go games, so keep up the good work is all I can say. They play a decent style of hurling and have plenty of skill in them.

We play O'Rahillies in the U17 semi-final on Wednesday evening in Liatroim which is a combination of Castlewellan, Liatroim, Balella, Ballyvarley and I think a Clonduff lad going by his shorts, they're probably slight favourites based on the last encounter and the winners will face Bredagh in the final, so the Ards aren't as dominant at underage as it used to be and that's a good thing for Down hurling.
From a Ballygalget perspective we've always struggled with teams able to field a full compliment of lads in their last years at that level. We don't have that luxury and will always be dipping into the younger lads to field and there's nothing you can do with a 14yo playing against a 16 or 70yo which will happen in quite a few positions on Wednesday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 08, 2022, 04:27:06 PM
Any thoughts on tonight? I think Rostrevor will win ok, Saul to take the Kingdom and I have a feeling the Stone can raise their game. They have a few scalps over the years in the championship and we could have another massive one tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 08, 2022, 07:43:51 PM
10 minutes in and with 15 behind the ball, Longstone still score easily twice - what masterclass strategy from Poacher and the new Down coach Clarke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 08, 2022, 08:21:20 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 05, 2022, 10:35:26 PM
Benny, Darren and Donal in with the minors. Strong south down connect again with another Burren man in the picture. They must have serious connections on the county board.
I agree with the previous statements about young lads having their head turned by other things in life apart from GAA. Hard to blame them.

Big weekend of action ahead - Hope this weather fecks off so the games aren ruined.

Three wonderful players for Down over the years but several issues for me. Benny has been a very mediocre coach with 2 clubs now, Darren has no coaching experience and is still playing, Donal apparently with an intermediate club in Louth and Burren minors with 5/6 others, he's also still playing. Sorry, Benny still staying with Rostrevor. How could anyone in their right mind make this appointment without any interview and still think that it is for the good of Down football moving forward?.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on September 08, 2022, 08:52:46 PM
Quote from: Lotto on September 08, 2022, 07:43:51 PM
10 minutes in and with 15 behind the ball, Longstone still score easily twice - what masterclass strategy from Poacher and the new Down coach Clarke.

This aged well 🙄
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 09, 2022, 08:44:17 AM
Quote from: Lotto on September 08, 2022, 08:21:20 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 05, 2022, 10:35:26 PM
Benny, Darren and Donal in with the minors. Strong south down connect again with another Burren man in the picture. They must have serious connections on the county board.
I agree with the previous statements about young lads having their head turned by other things in life apart from GAA. Hard to blame them.

Big weekend of action ahead - Hope this weather fecks off so the games aren ruined.

Three wonderful players for Down over the years but several issues for me. Benny has been a very mediocre coach with 2 clubs now, Darren has no coaching experience and is still playing, Donal apparently with an intermediate club in Louth and Burren minors with 5/6 others, he's also still playing. Sorry, Benny still staying with Rostrevor. How could anyone in their right mind make this appointment without any interview and still think that it is for the good of Down football moving forward?.

And who would you want in? Jim McGuiness? It's a good team and they will do well, give them time. I really am excited for Down football next year, let's be positive Lotto, you are always complaining about something, you need to take up yoga.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 09, 2022, 10:17:34 AM
Goals galore in Liatroim last night, very high scoring! Rostrevor thought they had it in the bag early. Few cards dealt in Ballymartin after the game too I heard. And no Longstone score in 2nd half?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 09, 2022, 10:33:31 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 09, 2022, 10:17:34 AM
Goals galore in Liatroim last night, very high scoring! Rostrevor thought they had it in the bag early. Few cards dealt in Ballymartin after the game too I heard. And no Longstone score in 2nd half?

I watched the Longstone game on Pairc tv, the first half was poor with Mayobridge standing off them and letting them have the kick out. In the second half they pushed everyone up and the Stone had no answer to the tenacity of Mayobridge. If that is the standard of the two teams coming up to division 1 next year then I think they will have a short stay.

Two games tonight in the SFC are really hard to call,  Clonduff really need a performance as they showed nothing against Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 09, 2022, 11:41:57 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 09, 2022, 10:17:34 AM
Goals galore in Liatroim last night, very high scoring! Rostrevor thought they had it in the bag early. Few cards dealt in Ballymartin after the game too I heard. And no Longstone score in 2nd half?

How does the lights in Liatroim impact upon the football?

I'm on record in saying that they're not high enough for hurling and our minor game on Wednesday night proved me right and we availed of a goal that dropped in from high, the keeper just didn't see it and several other times the defenders were all looking around them only to see the ball drop somewhere else..

Same for both teams and all that but not ideal.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 09, 2022, 02:25:04 PM
No impact on the game that I could tell, but artificial lighting will give that problem. Pairc esler has that effect too, maybe not to the same degree. Facilities up there nowadays are fantastic, great venue
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 09, 2022, 02:41:45 PM
The facilities at Leitrim are amzing, a credit to them. It just shows you can be in division 2, and have a small playing population, but still be a great club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 09, 2022, 03:02:16 PM
Quote from: befair on September 09, 2022, 02:41:45 PM
The facilities at Leitrim are amzing, a credit to them. It just shows you can be in division 2, and have a small playing population, but still be a great club.

They are that alright, it's a pity about the lights though but I know they'd a height restriction placed upon them because of the Church Spire in the background.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 09, 2022, 09:57:55 PM
Rory Mason and Oisin Savage. The difference...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 09, 2022, 10:51:11 PM
Who has a chance of getting to final?From what I have been watching Kilcoo lead the way with Burren a distant second, Mayobridge in third spot with the fourth spot up for grabs.next few weeks will be interesting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on September 09, 2022, 11:04:18 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 09, 2022, 10:03:30 PM
Loughinisland absolutely good value for their win. Best team on the night won, neither have a hope in hell of making it to the final. Have to say I very rarely comment on referees here but the young lad tonight in Kilcoo was a shambles in my opinion. Again, credit to island, 3pt win flattered the point

Presume you are a Point man. That's the third time I've seen young Curran referee recently and he has been excellent. Can't think of one major issue coming out of that game where you could say ref got it wrong . CPN brutal in second half with no heart and no plan. Loughinisland were changed team after half time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 10, 2022, 01:25:55 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 09, 2022, 10:03:30 PM
Loughinisland absolutely good value for their win. Best team on the night won, neither have a hope in hell of making it to the final. Have to say I very rarely comment on referees here but the young lad tonight in Kilcoo was a shambles in my opinion. Again, credit to island, 3pt win flattered the point
Sure, blame the ref for the Point's 2nd half collapse
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 10, 2022, 08:17:49 AM
Point's management team hadn't a clue what to do when the game started to get away from them. Looks like another early championship exit is in its way for them. Hard to believe they were so close to toppling Kilcoo 3-4 years ago compared to the standard they are playing at now with nearly the same squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 10, 2022, 08:57:21 AM
I've seen 8 games maybe now in the Champ and the officiating has been fine, no big wrong calls or game changing events. Maybe an brief to let the game go a bit more this year with frees not so easy to come by. Helping make games more watchable.
Seen Point in league and this didn't surprise me. They get another bite though don't they?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 10, 2022, 12:25:27 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on September 09, 2022, 10:51:11 PM
Who has a chance of getting to final?From what I have been watching Kilcoo lead the way with Burren a distant second, Mayobridge in third spot with the fourth spot up for grabs.next few weeks will be interesting

Mayobridge in third spot - your having a laugh. They are a shambles. Carryduff are third and very close to second imo. Thought the ref had a good game to be honest and like another poster I have seen him a few times now and he has yet to have a bad game.
Ford gone for the season - surely Deegans and Fegan will get the road. Kept them up only just but disappointing championship from them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 10, 2022, 01:30:10 PM
Deegan and Fegan for the road 😂
Bryansford along with rostrevor were heavy favourites for relegation this year. To keep them up was a magnificent job.
They actually looked the better team for long periods against Clonduff just didn't have the belief that they were.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on September 10, 2022, 01:43:54 PM
Quote from: elk on September 10, 2022, 08:17:49 AM
Point's management team hadn't a clue what to do when the game started to get away from them. Looks like another early championship exit is in its way for them. Hard to believe they were so close to toppling Kilcoo 3-4 years ago compared to the standard they are playing at now with nearly the same squad.
No McGarry
No Murdock
No Ryan McAleenan
No Aaron Magee
& that's just off the top of my head !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 10, 2022, 08:49:40 PM
Well done down gaa TV on showing darragh cross liatriom game. That was as good as armagh Galway. Tremendous effort from both teams and absolute respect at the end. A credit to our county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imagine on September 10, 2022, 11:08:36 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 10, 2022, 08:49:40 PM
Well done down gaa TV on showing darragh cross liatriom game. That was as good as armagh Galway. Tremendous effort from both teams and absolute respect at the end. A credit to our county.
Who was over Darragh Cross after the exit of the two high profile Duo?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 11, 2022, 01:14:01 AM
Quote from: elk on September 10, 2022, 08:17:49 AM
Point's management team hadn't a clue what to do when the game started to get away from them. Looks like another early championship exit is in its way for them. Hard to believe they were so close to toppling Kilcoo 3-4 years ago compared to the standard they are playing at now with nearly the same squad.

Nearly the same squad...obviously you don't follow the club scene too closely. No McGarry (their best forward by a mile) for the last two championship seasons. No McAleenan, No Aaron Magee, Paddy Murdock, Ryan Mallon, Ciaran McCartan, Ryan Magee or (Cormac McCartan most of last 2yrs). Point need every single man fit all the tim if they are going to compete but that's not realistic with the amount of games in a season for clubs now. Don't have the strength of squad to trouble the big guns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 11, 2022, 10:47:09 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 11, 2022, 01:14:01 AM
Quote from: elk on September 10, 2022, 08:17:49 AM
Point's management team hadn't a clue what to do when the game started to get away from them. Looks like another early championship exit is in its way for them. Hard to believe they were so close to toppling Kilcoo 3-4 years ago compared to the standard they are playing at now with nearly the same squad.

Nearly the same squad...obviously you don't follow the club scene too closely. No McGarry (their best forward by a mile) for the last two championship seasons. No McAleenan, No Aaron Magee, Paddy Murdock, Ryan Mallon, Ciaran McCartan, Ryan Magee or (Cormac McCartan most of last 2yrs). Point need every single man fit all the tim if they are going to compete but that's not realistic with the amount of games in a season for clubs now. Don't have the strength of squad to trouble the big guns.
Were most of them lads not on the pitch at some stage last year when 2nd division Longstone beat them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on September 11, 2022, 04:21:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 09, 2022, 10:33:31 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 09, 2022, 10:17:34 AM
Goals galore in Liatroim last night, very high scoring! Rostrevor thought they had it in the bag early. Few cards dealt in Ballymartin after the game too I heard. And no Longstone score in 2nd half?

I watched the Longstone game on Pairc tv, the first half was poor with Mayobridge standing off them and letting them have the kick out. In the second half they pushed everyone up and the Stone had no answer to the tenacity of Mayobridge. If that is the standard of the two teams coming up to division 1 next year then I think they will have a short stay.

Two games tonight in the SFC are really hard to call,  Clonduff really need a performance as they showed nothing against Kilcoo.

You must have been watching a different game as Mayobridge continued to give up kickouts in the second half. Why clubs continue to employ coaches who instruct their teams to sit back, put everyone behind the ball and hope to stop the opposition scoring just baffles me. Proud clubs with a successful history and they resort to this cr@p, they know who they are getting into bed with!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on September 11, 2022, 09:00:28 PM
Great line up for Stevie Poacher's latest coaching day.

Got to hand it to him. He does a great job with them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 11, 2022, 11:39:02 PM
Horrendous conditions in Newcastle today; under the circumstances Down TV did a great job.
Downpatrick's tactics were inexplicable. A strong wind behind them in the first half, they persisted with a short passing game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 12, 2022, 12:10:22 PM
Quote from: befair on September 11, 2022, 11:39:02 PM
Horrendous conditions in Newcastle today; under the circumstances Down TV did a great job.
Downpatrick's tactics were inexplicable. A strong wind behind them in the first half, they persisted with a short passing game

Yes, conditions were abysmal but I thought the RGU management got their tactics wrong and were too negative. The draw tonight will be interesting. Bredagh and Longstone will really struggle in the top flight in 2023.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on September 12, 2022, 02:12:41 PM
Donal O'Hare come on for Burren?
I just assumed that with his coaching role, and the fact i hadn't heard of him all year he'd finished up. Major injury issues
But great to hear he was back on the field last night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 12, 2022, 03:04:49 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on September 12, 2022, 02:12:41 PM
Donal O'Hare come on for Burren?
I just assumed that with his coaching role, and the fact i hadn't heard of him all year he'd finished up. Major injury issues
But great to hear he was back on the field last night

Yes he came on and looked sharp enough, he is always a threat. Burren, Carryduff and Loughinisland and most likely Kilcoo in the quarter-finals.  I haven't seen anyone who will scare Kilcoo but Burren, Carryduff, and The Bridge seem to be best equipped. Clonduff but in a bit of a performance on Friday but could have been caught. I still expect them to improve and they will be a tough opponent if they can get to the quarter-final.

I never seen Paddy Burns in the squad yet? Has that went down well in Burren as they have a serious amount of players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 12, 2022, 05:25:37 PM
He's currently injured
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on September 12, 2022, 09:41:21 PM
The champs did what they do tonight.
Take control, smother weaker teams, score goals & win games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 12, 2022, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on September 12, 2022, 09:41:21 PM
The champs did what they do tonight.
Take control, smother weaker teams, score goals & win games.

They will take some beating this year that's for sure. We get Saul again - surely this cud be avoided. Does both teams no good at all playing again so soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 12, 2022, 09:55:07 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 12, 2022, 09:46:22 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on September 12, 2022, 09:41:21 PM
The champs did what they do tonight.
Take control, smother weaker teams, score goals & win games.

They will take some beating this year that's for sure. We get Saul again - surely this cud be avoided. Does both teams no good at all playing again so soon.

It's definitely a flaw in the system. But then a back door championship is a flaw in itself.

——

Kilcoo look better than last year. I don't know if that's enough to retain an All Ireland. I hoped with all my heart that a waining Laverty, PD and Choc, together with what should have been a hangover of fulfilment for just about any club, would have seen them drop off a little. But no, their destructive  ability to counterattack actually seems to be getting sharper again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 12, 2022, 10:33:42 PM
Harps might fancy their chances against Clonduff you know. I think that will be very very close. Mayobridge should have enough to beat RGU while Glenn will also believe they have a good chance to get to another quarter final. Warrenpoint Saul should be a game that's easy to call but stranger things have happened and Saul won't be as bad the next day out against W'point. Looks set for a great bunch of quarter finals whatever the draw will be.

Kilcoo are a class apart atm. Hopefully Burren Kilcoo final. Jim will have the men in green flying cone final day, massive strength and depth in their squad this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 12, 2022, 11:33:57 PM
Kilcoo were impressive tonight, Burren unimpressive yesterday, but Burren beat them all over the field in the league final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 13, 2022, 08:03:42 AM
Anything can happen now it's knockout. Clonduff haven't inspired very much at all yet and I'm sure Ballyholland will sense that and go for it. I wouldn't be convinced on MB either.
Kilcoo really have taken an extra step from last year, whether that's the extra maturity or not but really are much ahead of anything I've seen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on September 13, 2022, 09:33:49 AM
Was at the game in Newry Last Night, Ballyholland came out of the blocks well. When the game was in the mix Rice made an absolutely bewildering call and pulled Seamy Loughran back when he was through on goal, i still don't know what the call was for, D.Ward fired a ball at a lads face about a yard from rice, dont know if there was any repercussions. Linesman 5 yards away from an off the ball strike and ignored it.
I'm not saying the referring was the cause of the defeat but the Loughran chance was a huge turning point. Soon after the first penalty went in and the black card, when Kilcoo had the spare man they just started to dominate and proceeded to do so for the remainder of the game. Late into the second half when Kilcoo had a black card it was hard to tell looking on, they had that much space in their own half and where that far ahead they where happy to play about with the ball. Strange that ballyholland didn't push up at that point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on September 13, 2022, 09:56:17 AM
I thought Rice had a great game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 13, 2022, 10:03:31 AM
Quote from: SticksandStones on September 13, 2022, 09:33:49 AM
Was at the game in Newry Last Night, Ballyholland came out of the blocks well. When the game was in the mix Rice made an absolutely bewildering call and pulled Seamy Loughran back when he was through on goal, i still don't know what the call was for, D.Ward fired a ball at a lads face about a yard from rice, dont know if there was any repercussions. Linesman 5 yards away from an off the ball strike and ignored it.
I'm not saying the referring was the cause of the defeat but the Loughran chance was a huge turning point. Soon after the first penalty went in and the black card, when Kilcoo had the spare man they just started to dominate and proceeded to do so for the remainder of the game. Late into the second half when Kilcoo had a black card it was hard to tell looking on, they had that much space in their own half and where that far ahead they where happy to play about with the ball. Strange that ballyholland didn't push up at that point

Ward should have got lined for the petulance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on September 13, 2022, 10:59:10 AM
It's a shot out between burren and kilcoo. Burrens preparations this year are mainly focused for kilcoo and they showed that they are ready to challenge them from the league final. Kilcoo got knocked back a bit from third league experiences this year so they have refocused so it will make for some game if they meet in the knockout.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 16, 2022, 11:53:32 AM
Bit harsh, standards have been good in games I've watched so far. Might be different from now on when the pressure cooker is turned up. All 4 senior champ games could go either way I think, maybe CPN have easiest tie. But the rest, I won't be going to paddy power anytime soon.

Liatroim on the big screen again too, hopefully another entertaining game. Previous two have been crackers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 16, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
How many championship finals are there in ladies' football this weekend? Why are there so many?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hedgehunter on September 16, 2022, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 16, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
How many championship finals are there in ladies' football this weekend? Why are there so many?

Grades within Grades is the simplest way to put it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 16, 2022, 10:54:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 16, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
How many championship finals are there in ladies' football this weekend? Why are there so many?

Too many. What value is there in a junior C championship medal that doesn't get you into ulster? Not worth a damn. The teams competing in these finals know it's embarrassing stuff. The two beaten semi finalists in the A grade automatically make up the B final - what a stupid idea. Championship is championship - if your beat your beat - try harder next season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 17, 2022, 06:51:20 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 16, 2022, 10:54:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 16, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
How many championship finals are there in ladies' football this weekend? Why are there so many?


Too many. What value is there in a junior C championship medal that doesn't get you into ulster? Not worth a damn. The teams competing in these finals know it's embarrassing stuff. The two beaten semi finalists in the A grade automatically make up the B final - what a stupid idea. Championship is championship - if your beat your beat - try harder next season.
Very simplistic way of looking at it. It matters a lot to the girls playing it.  Dublin have a lot of various junior championships and to the lads taking part it's as important to them as the senior championship is to the bodens and kilmacuds. Gaa is about taking part. A love of the game. Not everyone is at thr top level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 17, 2022, 09:54:20 AM
It 100% matters to players, no doubt. Winning is winning. My personal opinion is it diminishes the Championship with so many grades within grades and back doors.

Castlewellan got over line fairly easy blast night going on scoreboard. Thought Glenn would maybe have won that game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on September 17, 2022, 12:15:20 PM
Covid outbreak in a top south down club this week. Up to 5 players expected to be missing tomorrow. Huge loss to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on September 17, 2022, 12:27:20 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on September 17, 2022, 12:15:20 PM
Covid outbreak in a top south down club this week. Up to 5 players expected to be missing tomorrow. Huge loss to them.

Unnamed club may or may not have some players missing, top notch reporting there.
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Post by: KeyboardWman on September 17, 2022, 02:59:47 PM
Also Banty in as the other selector with Laverty and Co.
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Post by: supersub on September 17, 2022, 05:16:10 PM
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Quote from: Truth hurts on September 16, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
How many championship finals are there in ladies' football this weekend? Why are there so many?


Too many. What value is there in a junior C championship medal that doesn't get you into ulster? Not worth a damn. The teams competing in these finals know it's embarrassing stuff. The two beaten semi finalists in the A grade automatically make up the B final - what a stupid idea. Championship is championship - if your beat your beat - try harder next season.
Very simplistic way of looking at it. It matters a lot to the girls playing it.  Dublin have a lot of various junior championships and to the lads taking part it's as important to them as the senior championship is to the bodens and kilmacuds. Gaa is about taking part. A love of the game. Not everyone is at thr top level.

Does it though? It's a bit much in my opinion and our club was in one of them. It's not really a championship if 6 teams can make a final in each grade
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 17, 2022, 05:30:33 PM
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Quote from: Truth hurts on September 16, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
How many championship finals are there in ladies' football this weekend? Why are there so many?


Too many. What value is there in a junior C championship medal that doesn't get you into ulster? Not worth a damn. The teams competing in these finals know it's embarrassing stuff. The two beaten semi finalists in the A grade automatically make up the B final - what a stupid idea. Championship is championship - if your beat your beat - try harder next season.
Very simplistic way of looking at it. It matters a lot to the girls playing it.  Dublin have a lot of various junior championships and to the lads taking part it's as important to them as the senior championship is to the bodens and kilmacuds. Gaa is about taking part. A love of the game. Not everyone is at thr top level.

Does it though? It's a bit much in my opinion and our club was in one of them. It's not really a championship if 6 teams can make a final in each grade
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There are only 8 teams in senior and intermediate - so literally only two teams don't get medals. It's crazy. And saying it matters to the girls playing in it - I know the girls at my club cudnt give a Damn about it. When beaten in the A junior championship- they are lucky to field in other games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 17, 2022, 08:15:44 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 17, 2022, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 17, 2022, 05:16:10 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 17, 2022, 06:51:20 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 16, 2022, 10:54:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 16, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
How many championship finals are there in ladies' football this weekend? Why are there so many?


Too many. What value is there in a junior C championship medal that doesn't get you into ulster? Not worth a damn. The teams competing in these finals know it's embarrassing stuff. The two beaten semi finalists in the A grade automatically make up the B final - what a stupid idea. Championship is championship - if your beat your beat - try harder next season.
Very simplistic way of looking at it. It matters a lot to the girls playing it.  Dublin have a lot of various junior championships and to the lads taking part it's as important to them as the senior championship is to the bodens and kilmacuds. Gaa is about taking part. A love of the game. Not everyone is at thr top level.

Does it though? It's a bit much in my opinion and our club was in one of them. It's not really a championship if 6 teams can make a final in each grade
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There are only 8 teams in senior and intermediate - so literally only two teams don't get medals. It's crazy. And saying it matters to the girls playing in it - I know the girls at my club cudnt give a Damn about it. When beaten in the A junior championship- they are lucky to field in other games.

Agree with the 2 boys, just feels the same as participation trophies that are handed out at underage tournaments
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on September 17, 2022, 09:55:58 PM
Its actually embarrassing. Poster who said they do it in Dublin is incorrect. They have ABCD etc but you play in your championship grade start to finish,
You dont lose in A, drop to B, lose in B, drop to C all in a couple of weeks. These are not good senior age group competitions, win one game in your championship and your guaranteed at least a C final its madness, 2 teams in each grade dont play in at least a semi final and teams celebrate this as success, losing 2 games and winning one to make a final does not sit right. If anything they could look at a B at each grade with winner getting a way back into the A Semis or something similar but at minute they are diluting the credibility of championship success and I know girls involved and if the win any of the finals its an excuse for a night out they'll admit but they dont even want to collect their medals for them if not the A
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 17, 2022, 11:10:14 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on September 17, 2022, 09:55:58 PM
Its actually embarrassing. Poster who said they do it in Dublin is incorrect. They have ABCD etc but you play in your championship grade start to finish,
You dont lose in A, drop to B, lose in B, drop to C all in a couple of weeks. These are not good senior age group competitions, win one game in your championship and your guaranteed at least a C final its madness, 2 teams in each grade dont play in at least a semi final and teams celebrate this as success, losing 2 games and winning one to make a final does not sit right. If anything they could look at a B at each grade with winner getting a way back into the A Semis or something similar but at minute they are diluting the credibility of championship success and I know girls involved and if the win any of the finals its an excuse for a night out they'll admit but they dont even want to collect their medals for them if not the A

100% agree
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 19, 2022, 02:13:18 PM
Clonduff were very lucky last night. CPN to win tonight and quarter final draw to throw up no big games - it's been a poor championship so far.
Pot 1
Burren
Kilcoo
Loughinisland
Carryduff

Pot 2
CPN/Saul
Mayobridge
Clonduff
Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 19, 2022, 04:58:26 PM
Poor probably isn't a fair assessment, there have been entertaining encounters but when it's not knock out it doesn't have the same meaning. From next week on I'd guess the stakes will be higher and intensity better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 19, 2022, 09:13:39 PM
The championship opening rounds are always going to be shite for as long as a back door system is in place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 19, 2022, 09:37:00 PM
I understand that it's very difficult to beat one of the "big guns" twice in the same championship but there used to be an odd surprise in the early rounds - it nearly seems that the strong clubs are getting stronger and the weak clubs are struggling to keep up meaning the chance of a one off massive result is slim.
CPN v the noisy neighbours - always going to happen. We don't need any motivation for this one that's for sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 19, 2022, 11:26:40 PM
Two big draws tonight for the next round. Point v Burren and Clonduff v Kilcoo. Two massive derbies but only two teams that will win those games. Kilcoo will cakewalk past the yellas and Burren the same against W'Point. Burren will fancy their chances this year they just need one big day against the reigning all Ireland champs. I think it'll be a Burren Bridge and Kilcoo Loughinisland semi final. Sets up lovely for a grand stand final. Burren by 10, Kilcoo by 6, Island by 4 and Bridge by 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 20, 2022, 07:58:47 AM
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Bredagh beating Ballygalget at the weekend must have been the 1st time in a long time, a non-Ards club beat an Ards club.

Maybe Laoitrim have done it at some stage, or would it go right back to when Kilclief reigned supreme.
No, beat one of them in the championship previously

Bredagh have beat both ourselves and Ballycran last year, so not really a surprise. We've fallen down and will take a while to get back up and not taking away from Bredagh who've some fine hurlers in their team and probably should be with the county panel if not already.

RIP Martin Spike Baile, the last few years have been hard on the family as he'd an aggressive form of dementia take hold, hard to watch the impact it had on him, big, strong lad wasting away. Only turned 60 the other week.

Some player in his day, very unpredictable in all sorts of ways and was in his pomp when a lot of us young lads started coming through, he'd always look out for you, some craic on team building nights out.

Condolences to Sheila, Shane, Naomi, Caolan and especially the Da, Seamus, our treasurer for lord knows how many years, runs the bar, cuts the grass, you name it.

What is the landscape like now in Down regards club hurling at underage? I see Castlewellan are into 'A' grade finals at U-13 and U-15 level. Are some of the mainland clubs now on par with Ards' sides in most age groups?

Castlewellan are coming strong at U15, in saying that I was surprised they beat Portaferry in Portaferry on Sunday past as the Ports would have been considered strong favourites based on results going into that game but they did beat us in the U13 final last year so they should be there or there abouts.
U13 they're the strongest team I've saw this year and should win that one.
They've also got a strong P7 outfit to boot in the go games, so keep up the good work is all I can say. They play a decent style of hurling and have plenty of skill in them.

We play O'Rahillies in the U17 semi-final on Wednesday evening in Liatroim which is a combination of Castlewellan, Liatroim, Balella, Ballyvarley and I think a Clonduff lad going by his shorts, they're probably slight favourites based on the last encounter and the winners will face Bredagh in the final, so the Ards aren't as dominant at underage as it used to be and that's a good thing for Down hurling.
From a Ballygalget perspective we've always struggled with teams able to field a full compliment of lads in their last years at that level. We don't have that luxury and will always be dipping into the younger lads to field and there's nothing you can do with a 14yo playing against a 16 or 70yo which will happen in quite a few positions on Wednesday night.

and so it came to pass, there won't be one juvenile hurling championship residing in the Ards this winter.

Bredagh deservedly won the minor, better all-round team against our lads on Saturday, well done to them.

Castlewellan won the U13 vrs Carryduff and they'll both play off again this Sunday in the U15 final but I'd expect the winners to be reversed.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 20, 2022, 09:00:15 AM
'They just need one big day against the all-Ireland champs'

People having been saying the same time for over a decade. Straight away it's a defeatist attitude. If Burren are that good (which I haven't seen) then they don't need a big day. They need to keep doing what they are doing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 09:37:13 AM
I can see 3 East Down teams in the semis with Burren to join Kilcoo , Carryduff and Loughinisland. I agree with the poster that it's been a poor championship so far but it will spring to life this weekend. Loughinisland or Castlewellan have a chance to get into the last 4 and both will be licking their lips for the weekend. Ballyholland will be raging that they threw that game away as they were the better team and deserved to win but that's not always the case in championship football. Hilltown and St Peter's have absolutely nothing to lose but I haven't seen anything yet to say that they will trouble the big 2.
Rostrevor have a favourable draw and should take Annaclone. Drumgath will be no walkover for Liatroim and I expect Saval to be Rostrevor's only main threat left mainly due to Pat Havern who has the ability to rack up a big score.
Drumaness has the momentum to do the double and as I said previously here, they are a sleeping giant with a good population, if they could get total buy in then they could move up the divisions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on September 20, 2022, 10:06:30 AM
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Bredagh beating Ballygalget at the weekend must have been the 1st time in a long time, a non-Ards club beat an Ards club.

Maybe Laoitrim have done it at some stage, or would it go right back to when Kilclief reigned supreme.
No, beat one of them in the championship previously

Bredagh have beat both ourselves and Ballycran last year, so not really a surprise. We've fallen down and will take a while to get back up and not taking away from Bredagh who've some fine hurlers in their team and probably should be with the county panel if not already.

RIP Martin Spike Baile, the last few years have been hard on the family as he'd an aggressive form of dementia take hold, hard to watch the impact it had on him, big, strong lad wasting away. Only turned 60 the other week.

Some player in his day, very unpredictable in all sorts of ways and was in his pomp when a lot of us young lads started coming through, he'd always look out for you, some craic on team building nights out.

Condolences to Sheila, Shane, Naomi, Caolan and especially the Da, Seamus, our treasurer for lord knows how many years, runs the bar, cuts the grass, you name it.

What is the landscape like now in Down regards club hurling at underage? I see Castlewellan are into 'A' grade finals at U-13 and U-15 level. Are some of the mainland clubs now on par with Ards' sides in most age groups?

Castlewellan are coming strong at U15, in saying that I was surprised they beat Portaferry in Portaferry on Sunday past as the Ports would have been considered strong favourites based on results going into that game but they did beat us in the U13 final last year so they should be there or there abouts.
U13 they're the strongest team I've saw this year and should win that one.
They've also got a strong P7 outfit to boot in the go games, so keep up the good work is all I can say. They play a decent style of hurling and have plenty of skill in them.

We play O'Rahillies in the U17 semi-final on Wednesday evening in Liatroim which is a combination of Castlewellan, Liatroim, Balella, Ballyvarley and I think a Clonduff lad going by his shorts, they're probably slight favourites based on the last encounter and the winners will face Bredagh in the final, so the Ards aren't as dominant at underage as it used to be and that's a good thing for Down hurling.
From a Ballygalget perspective we've always struggled with teams able to field a full compliment of lads in their last years at that level. We don't have that luxury and will always be dipping into the younger lads to field and there's nothing you can do with a 14yo playing against a 16 or 70yo which will happen in quite a few positions on Wednesday night.

and so it came to pass, there won't be one juvenile hurling championship residing in the Ards this winter.

Bredagh deservedly won the minor, better all-round team against our lads on Saturday, well done to them.

Castlewellan won the U13 vrs Carryduff and they'll both play off again this Sunday in the U15 final but I'd expect the winners to be reversed.

Is it a good thing or a bad thing Johnny? From a county point of view have good teams this side of the water can't be a bad thing but if the ards teams are struggling for numbers that's not a great sign at all.

There's a lot of good work going on in Castlewellan, fair play to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 20, 2022, 10:26:02 AM
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Bredagh beating Ballygalget at the weekend must have been the 1st time in a long time, a non-Ards club beat an Ards club.

Maybe Laoitrim have done it at some stage, or would it go right back to when Kilclief reigned supreme.
No, beat one of them in the championship previously

Bredagh have beat both ourselves and Ballycran last year, so not really a surprise. We've fallen down and will take a while to get back up and not taking away from Bredagh who've some fine hurlers in their team and probably should be with the county panel if not already.

RIP Martin Spike Baile, the last few years have been hard on the family as he'd an aggressive form of dementia take hold, hard to watch the impact it had on him, big, strong lad wasting away. Only turned 60 the other week.

Some player in his day, very unpredictable in all sorts of ways and was in his pomp when a lot of us young lads started coming through, he'd always look out for you, some craic on team building nights out.

Condolences to Sheila, Shane, Naomi, Caolan and especially the Da, Seamus, our treasurer for lord knows how many years, runs the bar, cuts the grass, you name it.

What is the landscape like now in Down regards club hurling at underage? I see Castlewellan are into 'A' grade finals at U-13 and U-15 level. Are some of the mainland clubs now on par with Ards' sides in most age groups?

Castlewellan are coming strong at U15, in saying that I was surprised they beat Portaferry in Portaferry on Sunday past as the Ports would have been considered strong favourites based on results going into that game but they did beat us in the U13 final last year so they should be there or there abouts.
U13 they're the strongest team I've saw this year and should win that one.
They've also got a strong P7 outfit to boot in the go games, so keep up the good work is all I can say. They play a decent style of hurling and have plenty of skill in them.

We play O'Rahillies in the U17 semi-final on Wednesday evening in Liatroim which is a combination of Castlewellan, Liatroim, Balella, Ballyvarley and I think a Clonduff lad going by his shorts, they're probably slight favourites based on the last encounter and the winners will face Bredagh in the final, so the Ards aren't as dominant at underage as it used to be and that's a good thing for Down hurling.
From a Ballygalget perspective we've always struggled with teams able to field a full compliment of lads in their last years at that level. We don't have that luxury and will always be dipping into the younger lads to field and there's nothing you can do with a 14yo playing against a 16 or 70yo which will happen in quite a few positions on Wednesday night.

and so it came to pass, there won't be one juvenile hurling championship residing in the Ards this winter.

Bredagh deservedly won the minor, better all-round team against our lads on Saturday, well done to them.

Castlewellan won the U13 vrs Carryduff and they'll both play off again this Sunday in the U15 final but I'd expect the winners to be reversed.

Is it a good thing or a bad thing Johnny? From a county point of view have good teams this side of the water can't be a bad thing but if the ards teams are struggling for numbers that's not a great sign at all.

There's a lot of good work going on in Castlewellan, fair play to them.

It's a good thing, no doubt. It's not that the Ards clubs are weaker, Ballycran might be at the older agegroups but are building again from U13 down and they'll come and add to the mix. Bigger clubs with bigger numbers and good hurlers to boot can only be good for Down hurling, a high tide lifts all boats and all that.

Numbers wise we've always relied into dipping into the younger ones and hoping for the best so when you meet teams who're all the age then physically you might be outgunned but that's fine by me, it was the case when I was 13 playing minor (18) and then adult when just out of U14 back in the day.
What would annoy me slightly though is when you get teams who you know could put out teams by dipping in to lower age groups but chose not to, don't field or go into amalgamations which is probably the lesser of the two evils.

Happens a bit in the hurling but moreso in the camogie, hard to see that happening in the Ards between any of the three clubs  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 10:44:07 AM
I do think that there should be a hurling board back in the county, a sub-committee of the main county board. I will look to see them working closely with the camogie board to promote hurling in both males and females across the county.  A lot of clubs in Down do not play this great ancient sport and I think that more needs to be done to get hurls into some clubs. You would be targeting clubs like Downpatrick, Burren, Annaclone, Rostrevor, etc to try to introduce hurling and camogie into their clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on September 20, 2022, 11:11:25 AM
The point were poor enough against an average Division 2 side last night.
They didn't really get at them. Seemed happy to have plenty back & pick off scores on the break.

I honestly think Kilcoo, Burren or Carryduff would have beaten Saul by 20 points last night but CPN have lost the attacking flair of previous management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 11:17:20 AM
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The point were poor enough against an average Division 2 side last night.
They didn't really get at them. Seemed happy to have plenty back & pick off scores on the break.

I honestly think Kilcoo, Burren or Carryduff would have beaten Saul by 20 points last night but CPN have lost the attacking flair of previous management.

In fairness, they do not have the same caliber of players coming through and McGarry frees alone are a massive miss. They don't have the same players coming through and you can see from their underage teams that they have been playing in lower grades at underage for the past number of years and when you take your eye of the ball at underage then over time your senior team will slip. That's just natural but I think the local derby will add some extra spice especially as a lot of Burren players live in Warrenpoint.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on September 20, 2022, 11:46:58 AM
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I do think that there should be a hurling board back in the county, a sub-committee of the main county board. I will look to see them working closely with the camogie board to promote hurling in both males and females across the county.  A lot of clubs in Down do not play this great ancient sport and I think that more needs to be done to get hurls into some clubs. You would be targeting clubs like Downpatrick, Burren, Annaclone, Rostrevor, etc to try to introduce hurling and camogie into their clubs.

Annaclone lads have always hurled in Ballela, the camogie team would have a good few Annaclone girls playing too at all levels.

Clonduff have got a fair few from Rostrevor and Mayobridge at the minute while there's a few Burren lads playing for Warrenpoint. The issue there would be keeping them past 11yo is the big challenge. It's very hard to start a new sport in a club with no history of it in the club, Saul will be a good case to keep an eye on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 12:30:22 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 20, 2022, 11:46:58 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 10:44:07 AM
I do think that there should be a hurling board back in the county, a sub-committee of the main county board. I will look to see them working closely with the camogie board to promote hurling in both males and females across the county.  A lot of clubs in Down do not play this great ancient sport and I think that more needs to be done to get hurls into some clubs. You would be targeting clubs like Downpatrick, Burren, Annaclone, Rostrevor, etc to try to introduce hurling and camogie into their clubs.

Annaclone lads have always hurled in Ballela, the camogie team would have a good few Annaclone girls playing too at all levels.

Clonduff have got a fair few from Rostrevor and Mayobridge at the minute while there's a few Burren lads playing for Warrenpoint. The issue there would be keeping them past 11yo is the big challenge. It's very hard to start a new sport in a club with no history of it in the club, Saul will be a good case to keep an eye on.

Saul have a good catchment area and will be worth watching but Downpatrick should be pushing the sport. Dundrum, Bryansford, Glasdrumman, Attical, The kingdom, Ballymartin, Longstone, surely numbers there for a Mourne hurling team like Craobh Rua in Camlough .

Same for clubs around Magheradroll, Loughiniland, Drumaness and Saintfield areas. A new hurling board could push clubs to start and get coaches in as taster sessions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on September 20, 2022, 01:02:58 PM
They tried the Mourne hurling club experiment in the mid-2000s and it unfortunately didn't last long. Can't see it being revived any time soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 20, 2022, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 12:30:22 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 20, 2022, 11:46:58 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 10:44:07 AM
I do think that there should be a hurling board back in the county, a sub-committee of the main county board. I will look to see them working closely with the camogie board to promote hurling in both males and females across the county.  A lot of clubs in Down do not play this great ancient sport and I think that more needs to be done to get hurls into some clubs. You would be targeting clubs like Downpatrick, Burren, Annaclone, Rostrevor, etc to try to introduce hurling and camogie into their clubs.

Annaclone lads have always hurled in Ballela, the camogie team would have a good few Annaclone girls playing too at all levels.

Clonduff have got a fair few from Rostrevor and Mayobridge at the minute while there's a few Burren lads playing for Warrenpoint. The issue there would be keeping them past 11yo is the big challenge. It's very hard to start a new sport in a club with no history of it in the club, Saul will be a good case to keep an eye on.

Saul have a good catchment area and will be worth watching but Downpatrick should be pushing the sport. Dundrum, Bryansford, Glasdrumman, Attical, The kingdom, Ballymartin, Longstone, surely numbers there for a Mourne hurling team like Craobh Rua in Camlough .

Same for clubs around Magheradroll, Loughiniland, Drumaness and Saintfield areas. A new hurling board could push clubs to start and get coaches in as taster sessions.

Have a look through all those clubs you've named. Of them, maybe 1 is on a stronger football pedestal than they were 10 or 20 years ago, and 2 of them roughly the same. The rest have fallen back some or a lot.

Decline tends to run in parallel with membership levels. Not always. But usually.

I'd honestly say the last thing any of those clubs needs is hurling foisted upon it by idealists.

To be clear this isn't an anti hurling message. This is an acknowledgment of demographics message.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on September 20, 2022, 01:28:31 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 20, 2022, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 12:30:22 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 20, 2022, 11:46:58 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 10:44:07 AM
I do think that there should be a hurling board back in the county, a sub-committee of the main county board. I will look to see them working closely with the camogie board to promote hurling in both males and females across the county.  A lot of clubs in Down do not play this great ancient sport and I think that more needs to be done to get hurls into some clubs. You would be targeting clubs like Downpatrick, Burren, Annaclone, Rostrevor, etc to try to introduce hurling and camogie into their clubs.

Annaclone lads have always hurled in Ballela, the camogie team would have a good few Annaclone girls playing too at all levels.

Clonduff have got a fair few from Rostrevor and Mayobridge at the minute while there's a few Burren lads playing for Warrenpoint. The issue there would be keeping them past 11yo is the big challenge. It's very hard to start a new sport in a club with no history of it in the club, Saul will be a good case to keep an eye on.

Saul have a good catchment area and will be worth watching but Downpatrick should be pushing the sport. Dundrum, Bryansford, Glasdrumman, Attical, The kingdom, Ballymartin, Longstone, surely numbers there for a Mourne hurling team like Craobh Rua in Camlough .

Same for clubs around Magheradroll, Loughiniland, Drumaness and Saintfield areas. A new hurling board could push clubs to start and get coaches in as taster sessions.

Have a look through all those clubs you've named. Of them, maybe 1 is on a stronger football pedestal than they were 10 or 20 years ago, and 2 of them roughly the same. The rest have fallen back some or a lot.

Decline tends to run in parallel with membership levels. Not always. But usually.

I'd honestly say the last thing any of those clubs needs is hurling foisted upon it by idealists.

To be clear this isn't an anti hurling message. This is an acknowledgment of demographics message.

That was my point in a way. For younger lads there's always a club to go to if they want to play. Plenty of Ballyholland and Saval lads in Shamrocks playing. You can't start where there's no interest. The mourne clubs aren't into it. An Riocht had a team way back when the Sheehan's were up there, but they haven't hurled in years.

It's about 20 years since Rostrevor, Darragh Cross, Drumaness and Downpatrick stopped playing, closer to 30 years since underage hurling was played in any of those clubs. If you go a bit further back Kilcoo, St Johns, Mayobridge and Glenn had senior teams too. It would be nice to see some clubs start again but I don't see it happening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 01:30:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 20, 2022, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 12:30:22 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 20, 2022, 11:46:58 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 10:44:07 AM
I do think that there should be a hurling board back in the county, a sub-committee of the main county board. I will look to see them working closely with the camogie board to promote hurling in both males and females across the county.  A lot of clubs in Down do not play this great ancient sport and I think that more needs to be done to get hurls into some clubs. You would be targeting clubs like Downpatrick, Burren, Annaclone, Rostrevor, etc to try to introduce hurling and camogie into their clubs.

Annaclone lads have always hurled in Ballela, the camogie team would have a good few Annaclone girls playing too at all levels.

Clonduff have got a fair few from Rostrevor and Mayobridge at the minute while there's a few Burren lads playing for Warrenpoint. The issue there would be keeping them past 11yo is the big challenge. It's very hard to start a new sport in a club with no history of it in the club, Saul will be a good case to keep an eye on.

Saul have a good catchment area and will be worth watching but Downpatrick should be pushing the sport. Dundrum, Bryansford, Glasdrumman, Attical, The kingdom, Ballymartin, Longstone, surely numbers there for a Mourne hurling team like Craobh Rua in Camlough .

Same for clubs around Magheradroll, Loughiniland, Drumaness and Saintfield areas. A new hurling board could push clubs to start and get coaches in as taster sessions.

Have a look through all those clubs you've named. Of them, maybe 1 is on a stronger football pedestal than they were 10 or 20 years ago, and 2 of them roughly the same. The rest have fallen back some or a lot.

Decline tends to run in parallel with membership levels. Not always. But usually.

I'd honestly say the last thing any of those clubs needs is hurling foisted upon it by idealists.

To be clear this isn't an anti hurling message. This is an acknowledgment of demographics message.

Imagine Glasdrumman was a base for the Mourne hurling club with new players coming from other areas, it might be a good boost for the club as they have low numbers. and I would not want club committees have to organize it, I would start with hurling coaches and the hurling board leading on this to get it going. Ballyholland would be another club with a big catchment area as the Shamrocks have some pick in the area.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 01:58:02 PM
Kilcoo 4/6

Burren 10/3

Carryduff 9/1

Loughinisland 10/1

Mayobridge 11/1

Warrenpoint 16/1

Clonduff 16/1

Castlewellan 25/1

odds from PP, probably a fair reflection

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 20, 2022, 02:58:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 01:30:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 20, 2022, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 12:30:22 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 20, 2022, 11:46:58 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 10:44:07 AM
I do think that there should be a hurling board back in the county, a sub-committee of the main county board. I will look to see them working closely with the camogie board to promote hurling in both males and females across the county.  A lot of clubs in Down do not play this great ancient sport and I think that more needs to be done to get hurls into some clubs. You would be targeting clubs like Downpatrick, Burren, Annaclone, Rostrevor, etc to try to introduce hurling and camogie into their clubs.

Annaclone lads have always hurled in Ballela, the camogie team would have a good few Annaclone girls playing too at all levels.

Clonduff have got a fair few from Rostrevor and Mayobridge at the minute while there's a few Burren lads playing for Warrenpoint. The issue there would be keeping them past 11yo is the big challenge. It's very hard to start a new sport in a club with no history of it in the club, Saul will be a good case to keep an eye on.

Saul have a good catchment area and will be worth watching but Downpatrick should be pushing the sport. Dundrum, Bryansford, Glasdrumman, Attical, The kingdom, Ballymartin, Longstone, surely numbers there for a Mourne hurling team like Craobh Rua in Camlough .

Same for clubs around Magheradroll, Loughiniland, Drumaness and Saintfield areas. A new hurling board could push clubs to start and get coaches in as taster sessions.

Have a look through all those clubs you've named. Of them, maybe 1 is on a stronger football pedestal than they were 10 or 20 years ago, and 2 of them roughly the same. The rest have fallen back some or a lot.

Decline tends to run in parallel with membership levels. Not always. But usually.

I'd honestly say the last thing any of those clubs needs is hurling foisted upon it by idealists.

To be clear this isn't an anti hurling message. This is an acknowledgment of demographics message.

Imagine Glasdrumman was a base for the Mourne hurling club with new players coming from other areas, it might be a good boost for the club as they have low numbers. and I would not want club committees have to organize it, I would start with hurling coaches and the hurling board leading on this to get it going. Ballyholland would be another club with a big catchment area as the Shamrocks have some pick in the area.

Wobblers right though, you can't foist hurling on any club, like you couldn't foist football on the Ards clubs but what you can do is give those who do want to play the opportunity to play without having to make them choose one sport over an other especially at underage.
We've lads who've played with Saul, Loughinisland and Kilclief in the recent past, no issues there and IIRC there's a few Ballyholland lads who play hurling for the Shamrocks, it's doable if the will is there.

Allocate times/days for hurling and football so that there isn't an overlap and in fairness that does happen or did happen with county blitzes in hurling every 1st saturday and 3rd saturday of the month, P7 down, with football the 2nd and 4th. Don't think that's in play at the minute but I thought it worked well enough.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 04:41:19 PM
I would also like to see a football club in the ards, is there no interest at all?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 20, 2022, 05:02:57 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 04:41:19 PM
I would also like to see a football club in the ards, is there no interest at all?

The catchment area of the three Ards clubs is approximately 7 to 8K of "parishioners" in total, Portaferry, 3.5 to 4K, Kircubbin/Ballycran 2.5K or so with ourselves sandwiched between the two less than 1K with approximately an adult playing population currently of just over 120 between the three clubs, we've barely 30 adult playing members in total, the other two would have more, but not much.

It's pales into insignificance compared to other area's with much bigger, underutilised areas.

Start there.

Anyone in the Ards who wants to play football does, but the catchment isn't there for a standalone team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on September 20, 2022, 09:47:41 PM
I see frank Dawson has left belleek after 1 season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DickyRock on September 20, 2022, 10:59:52 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 20, 2022, 02:58:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 01:30:55 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 20, 2022, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 12:30:22 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on September 20, 2022, 11:46:58 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 20, 2022, 10:44:07 AM
I do think that there should be a hurling board back in the county, a sub-committee of the main county board. I will look to see them working closely with the camogie board to promote hurling in both males and females across the county.  A lot of clubs in Down do not play this great ancient sport and I think that more needs to be done to get hurls into some clubs. You would be targeting clubs like Downpatrick, Burren, Annaclone, Rostrevor, etc to try to introduce hurling and camogie into their clubs.

Annaclone lads have always hurled in Ballela, the camogie team would have a good few Annaclone girls playing too at all levels.

Clonduff have got a fair few from Rostrevor and Mayobridge at the minute while there's a few Burren lads playing for Warrenpoint. The issue there would be keeping them past 11yo is the big challenge. It's very hard to start a new sport in a club with no history of it in the club, Saul will be a good case to keep an eye on.

Saul have a good catchment area and will be worth watching but Downpatrick should be pushing the sport. Dundrum, Bryansford, Glasdrumman, Attical, The kingdom, Ballymartin, Longstone, surely numbers there for a Mourne hurling team like Craobh Rua in Camlough .

Same for clubs around Magheradroll, Loughiniland, Drumaness and Saintfield areas. A new hurling board could push clubs to start and get coaches in as taster sessions.

Have a look through all those clubs you've named. Of them, maybe 1 is on a stronger football pedestal than they were 10 or 20 years ago, and 2 of them roughly the same. The rest have fallen back some or a lot.

Decline tends to run in parallel with membership levels. Not always. But usually.

I'd honestly say the last thing any of those clubs needs is hurling foisted upon it by idealists.

To be clear this isn't an anti hurling message. This is an acknowledgment of demographics message.

Imagine Glasdrumman was a base for the Mourne hurling club with new players coming from other areas, it might be a good boost for the club as they have low numbers. and I would not want club committees have to organize it, I would start with hurling coaches and the hurling board leading on this to get it going. Ballyholland would be another club with a big catchment area as the Shamrocks have some pick in the area.

Wobblers right though, you can't foist hurling on any club, like you couldn't foist football on the Ards clubs but what you can do is give those who do want to play the opportunity to play without having to make them choose one sport over an other especially at underage.
We've lads who've played with Saul, Loughinisland and Kilclief in the recent past, no issues there and IIRC there's a few Ballyholland lads who play hurling for the Shamrocks, it's doable if the will is there.

Allocate times/days for hurling and football so that there isn't an overlap and in fairness that does happen or did happen with county blitzes in hurling every 1st saturday and 3rd saturday of the month, P7 down, with football the 2nd and 4th. Don't think that's in play at the minute but I thought it worked well enough.

Primary school age group matches have been poorly organised since the pandemic. Need to get back to club hosting multi team blitzes and properly organise the red high matches - setting up pitches and leaving teams to it doesn't work as it flows badly as some teams feck with the fixtures. Also doesn't help that it breaks during the summer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 21, 2022, 07:22:20 AM
Quote from: general on September 20, 2022, 09:47:41 PM
I see frank Dawson has left belleek after 1 season
Is he not with Bredagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 21, 2022, 08:36:19 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 21, 2022, 07:22:20 AM
Quote from: general on September 20, 2022, 09:47:41 PM
I see frank Dawson has left belleek after 1 season
Is he not with Bredagh?

Was with Bredagh and helping Beleek out as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 21, 2022, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 21, 2022, 08:36:19 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 21, 2022, 07:22:20 AM
Quote from: general on September 20, 2022, 09:47:41 PM
I see frank Dawson has left belleek after 1 season
Is he not with Bredagh?

Was with Bredagh and helping Beleek out as well.

Will the Bredagh management stay in place next year? The merry go round has started already.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on September 21, 2022, 10:46:54 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 21, 2022, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 21, 2022, 08:36:19 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 21, 2022, 07:22:20 AM
Quote from: general on September 20, 2022, 09:47:41 PM
I see frank Dawson has left belleek after 1 season
Is he not with Bredagh?

Was with Bredagh and helping Beleek out as well.

Will the Bredagh management stay in place next year? The merry go round has started already.
Both teams up from Div 2 were in the SFC relegation playoffs.It'll be a struggle to stay in Div1 next year,I'd say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on September 22, 2022, 06:40:08 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 21, 2022, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 21, 2022, 08:36:19 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 21, 2022, 07:22:20 AM
Quote from: general on September 20, 2022, 09:47:41 PM
I see frank Dawson has left belleek after 1 season
Is he not with Bredagh?

Was with Bredagh and helping Beleek out as well.

Will the Bredagh management stay in place next year? The merry go round has started already.

Who's on the move?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 22, 2022, 09:25:47 AM
Why would they not stay in place? Two objectives for the season, promotion ✔️ and remain in Senior championship ✔️, both acheived.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 22, 2022, 09:34:37 AM
I think the senior championship relegation needs to be removed and we need to go back to the league placings.

On another note the Down county Scor finals take place this Sunday, it's madness that Scor is moved to in the middle of the championship. There is no divisional final, sad to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 22, 2022, 10:00:19 AM
No offence but Scor??....does anyone give a shit really.
Outdated concept.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on September 22, 2022, 10:13:15 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on September 22, 2022, 09:25:47 AM
Why would they not stay in place? Two objectives for the season, promotion ✔️ and remain in Senior championship ✔️, both
P acheived.
Agree with objective 1 but no Club could have objective 2 as their aim when setting out in a 16 team
Championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 22, 2022, 10:18:02 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 22, 2022, 10:00:19 AM
No offence but Scor??....does anyone give a shit really.
Outdated concept.

Well, I do and an aim of our association is to support the Irish language, traditional Irish dancing, music, song, and other aspects of Irish culture. Some clubs need to read the aims of the GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on September 22, 2022, 10:50:01 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 22, 2022, 10:18:02 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 22, 2022, 10:00:19 AM
No offence but Scor??....does anyone give a shit really.
Outdated concept.

Well, I do and an aim of our association is to support the Irish language, traditional Irish dancing, music, song, and other aspects of Irish culture. Some clubs need to read the aims of the GAA.
Does your OWN Club support all 5 strands of the GAA?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 22, 2022, 02:20:15 PM
100% some clubs want a run in the Championship but staying in the Senior for following year would be a primary objective. Promotion plus staying in Senior champ is a fairly rewarding season in my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 22, 2022, 03:25:19 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on September 22, 2022, 10:50:01 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 22, 2022, 10:18:02 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 22, 2022, 10:00:19 AM
No offence but Scor??....does anyone give a shit really.
Outdated concept.

Well, I do and an aim of our association is to support the Irish language, traditional Irish dancing, music, song, and other aspects of Irish culture. Some clubs need to read the aims of the GAA.
Does your OWN Club support all 5 strands of the GAA?

He'll do his usual and ignore that, say anything about his OWN club and he'll put in some bs question instead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on September 22, 2022, 04:24:50 PM
Laverty has managed to convince Johnny Davis to join the backroom team next season as strength and conditioning coach, although disappointingly 4 prominent coaches have turned down a selectors role with him. He's really struggling to add to Morgan and Clarke. His former Kilcoo team mate Darragh O'Hanlon will manage the county U20 side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on September 22, 2022, 04:47:34 PM
How many people do u need to run the team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 22, 2022, 05:19:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 22, 2022, 10:00:19 AM
No offence but Scor??....does anyone give a shit really.
Outdated concept.

Not one single fkck. I do agree the relegation from senior championship should be scrapped.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on September 22, 2022, 06:27:03 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on September 22, 2022, 10:50:01 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 22, 2022, 10:18:02 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 22, 2022, 10:00:19 AM
No offence but Scor??....does anyone give a shit really.
Outdated concept.

Well, I do and an aim of our association is to support the Irish language, traditional Irish dancing, music, song, and other aspects of Irish culture. Some clubs need to read the aims of the GAA.
Does your OWN Club support all 5 strands of the GAA?

Do they support any of them or is it just a drinking club with a good pitch?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 22, 2022, 11:27:59 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 22, 2022, 05:19:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 22, 2022, 10:00:19 AM
No offence but Scor??....does anyone give a shit really.
Outdated concept.

Not one single fkck. I do agree the relegation from senior championship should be scrapped.

What are your proposals for relegation/promotion from sfc?
If ifc winners this year are to get promotion to sfc , who is to be relegated ?
If it's done on league position it's unfair , as many league games are played without county players. Surely you can't penalise clubs with county players?
A sfc club plays championship with full deck including county players , if they lose 4 sfc games with their full deck then relegation is close to a fair fight. If you relegate a team from sfc on the basis of a league where they play many matches without a full deck , then it's clearly unfair on clubs with county players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 23, 2022, 07:08:43 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 22, 2022, 11:27:59 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 22, 2022, 05:19:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 22, 2022, 10:00:19 AM
No offence but Scor??....does anyone give a shit really.
Outdated concept.

Not one single fkck. I do agree the relegation from senior championship should be scrapped.

What are your proposals for relegation/promotion from sfc?
If ifc winners this year are to get promotion to sfc , who is to be relegated ?
If it's done on league position it's unfair , as many league games are played without county players. Surely you can't penalise clubs with county players?
A sfc club plays championship with full deck including county players , if they lose 4 sfc games with their full deck then relegation is close to a fair fight. If you relegate a team from sfc on the basis of a league where they play many matches without a full deck , then it's clearly unfair on clubs with county players

I just don't think it fair clubs who played div 3 football have to compete against a club who played div 1. Makes an already extremely difficult championship even more so. No club is realistically going to go up from intermediate and win a senior. It will be more balanced next year with the kingdom most likely to get relegated.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 23, 2022, 07:34:41 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 22, 2022, 11:27:59 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 22, 2022, 05:19:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 22, 2022, 10:00:19 AM
No offence but Scor??....does anyone give a shit really.
Outdated concept.

Not one single fkck. I do agree the relegation from senior championship should be scrapped.

What are your proposals for relegation/promotion from sfc?
If ifc winners this year are to get promotion to sfc , who is to be relegated ?
If it's done on league position it's unfair , as many league games are played without county players. Surely you can't penalise clubs with county players?
A sfc club plays championship with full deck including county players , if they lose 4 sfc games with their full deck then relegation is close to a fair fight. If you relegate a team from sfc on the basis of a league where they play many matches without a full deck , then it's clearly unfair on clubs with county players

I disagree.

Having been involved with Ballyholland as a yo-yo club during the noughties, it's nigh-on impossible for a d2 (let alone d3) team to get up to the pace of SFC. Creating a circumstance for more D2 teams to compete in it does nobody any favours. And if anything it opens up a potential for gaming the system whereby a d1 club can end up in the IFC by choice, which should be a guaranteed championship for them.

Top 15 league finishers the previous season, plus the IFC champions is the right way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on September 23, 2022, 08:28:05 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 23, 2022, 07:34:41 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 22, 2022, 11:27:59 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 22, 2022, 05:19:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 22, 2022, 10:00:19 AM
No offence but Scor??....does anyone give a shit really.
Outdated concept.

Not one single fkck. I do agree the relegation from senior championship should be scrapped.

What are your proposals for relegation/promotion from sfc?
If ifc winners this year are to get promotion to sfc , who is to be relegated ?
If it's done on league position it's unfair , as many league games are played without county players. Surely you can't penalise clubs with county players?
A sfc club plays championship with full deck including county players , if they lose 4 sfc games with their full deck then relegation is close to a fair fight. If you relegate a team from sfc on the basis of a league where they play many matches without a full deck , then it's clearly unfair on clubs with county players

I disagree.

Having been involved with Ballyholland as a yo-yo club during the noughties, it's nigh-on impossible for a d2 (let alone d3) team to get up to the pace of SFC. Creating a circumstance for more D2 teams to compete in it does nobody any favours. And if anything it opens up a potential for gaming the system whereby a d1 club can end up in the IFC by choice, which should be a guaranteed championship for them.

Top 15 league finishers the previous season, plus the IFC champions is the right way.


100% agree on this!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on September 23, 2022, 08:40:34 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 23, 2022, 07:34:41 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 22, 2022, 11:27:59 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 22, 2022, 05:19:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 22, 2022, 10:00:19 AM
No offence but Scor??....does anyone give a shit really.
Outdated concept.

Not one single fkck. I do agree the relegation from senior championship should be scrapped.

What are your proposals for relegation/promotion from sfc?
If ifc winners this year are to get promotion to sfc , who is to be relegated ?
If it's done on league position it's unfair , as many league games are played without county players. Surely you can't penalise clubs with county players?
A sfc club plays championship with full deck including county players , if they lose 4 sfc games with their full deck then relegation is close to a fair fight. If you relegate a team from sfc on the basis of a league where they play many matches without a full deck , then it's clearly unfair on clubs with county players

I disagree.

Having been involved with Ballyholland as a yo-yo club during the noughties, it's nigh-on impossible for a d2 (let alone d3) team to get up to the pace of SFC. Creating a circumstance for more D2 teams to compete in it does nobody any favours. And if anything it opens up a potential for gaming the system whereby a d1 club can end up in the IFC by choice, which should be a guaranteed championship for them.

Top 15 league finishers the previous season, plus the IFC champions is the right way.

I don't remember there ever being an issue with the top 15 + intermediate winners. Division 1 teams should never be in the intermediate championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on September 23, 2022, 10:01:07 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 23, 2022, 07:34:41 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 22, 2022, 11:27:59 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 22, 2022, 05:19:08 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 22, 2022, 10:00:19 AM
No offence but Scor??....does anyone give a shit really.
Outdated concept.

Not one single fkck. I do agree the relegation from senior championship should be scrapped.

What are your proposals for relegation/promotion from sfc?
If ifc winners this year are to get promotion to sfc , who is to be relegated ?
If it's done on league position it's unfair , as many league games are played without county players. Surely you can't penalise clubs with county players?
A sfc club plays championship with full deck including county players , if they lose 4 sfc games with their full deck then relegation is close to a fair fight. If you relegate a team from sfc on the basis of a league where they play many matches without a full deck , then it's clearly unfair on clubs with county players

I disagree.

Having been involved with Ballyholland as a yo-yo club during the noughties, it's nigh-on impossible for a d2 (let alone d3) team to get up to the pace of SFC. Creating a circumstance for more D2 teams to compete in it does nobody any favours. And if anything it opens up a potential for gaming the system whereby a d1 club can end up in the IFC by choice, which should be a guaranteed championship for them.

Top 15 league finishers the previous season, plus the IFC champions is the right way.

Hard to argue with that. It's even more apparent in the IFC, with some hammerings for a couple of teams in Div3, by the likes of Saval and Darragh Cross. The league positions worked well before to create a better balanced championship, maybe the county board will revert back to this after next year, following this season's restructuring with the excessive amount of relegations, and a league season next year to allow teams to find their level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on September 23, 2022, 01:31:22 PM
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/09/20/news/kicking_out_weak_club-2834486/

That was posted earlier on another thread. Do you think starred games in the league and a back door are the reason Down are behind or is it just a lack of players at the minute?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on September 23, 2022, 02:07:00 PM
The structure can't be the reason when most other counties operate in a similar, if not same way.
Blaming a back door in the championship as the reasons for Down's failure would be crazy. Consider the farce of a championship being run in Derry the last three years, a group stage where all 16 teams qualify for the knockout phase! And they just reached an all-ireland semi final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on September 23, 2022, 02:08:43 PM
Not sure what the gripe about the current championship system is . Saval or rostrevor will most likely win intermediate and therefore be in senior next year . An riocht were probably the weakest team in the senior this year and will most likely play intermediate next year .

Basing it on the league this year Saul and Glenn would have been intermediate next year . They have both won it in the past 3 years . If a team is good enough to play senior then win the intermediate . Using a league competition where teams lose their county players for half of it is hardly a fair reflection on their ability to compete in a competition where they have all players available
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 23, 2022, 02:50:39 PM
I don't favour back door system. The back door favours the stronger teams, always has. If they have a bad day there's another opportunity.

The real championship starts tonight. No more excuses, win or bust. Expect a few close encounters, I see the bigger games have plenty of referee experience about them, Carryduff Mayobridge tie of the round. Think that could be a very good game, if MB play ball.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 23, 2022, 03:04:03 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 23, 2022, 02:50:39 PM
I don't favour back door system. The back door favours the stronger teams, always has. If they have a bad day there's another opportunity.

The real championship starts tonight. No more excuses, win or bust. Expect a few close encounters, I see the bigger games have plenty of referee experience about them, Carryduff Mayobridge tie of the round. Think that could be a very good game, if MB play ball.

Im afraid the QF will be damp squibs with Loughinisland, Carryduff, Burren and Kilcoo easily going through.
Castlewellan has done well to get this far but they won't beat the Island men, Carryduff has too many good players, and the Bridge do not have anyone who can handle Beatty, Bap or Donnelly. Kilcoo and Burren will walk through, Hilltown and St Peters have zero fight this season compared to previous years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on September 23, 2022, 04:52:49 PM
I think Mayobridge will beat Carryduff. I have a feeling Clonduff could be dangerous this time around for kilcoo as everyone writing them off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on September 23, 2022, 07:53:08 PM
To think Clonduff will beat Kilcoo is the talk of a drunk... Kilcoo 2nds would beat Clonduff at the min.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 23, 2022, 10:54:19 PM
Commentating tonight was atrocious. It was like listening to two lads having the craic rather than commentating on what was actually in front of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 23, 2022, 10:56:44 PM
That game I think will be close, couldn't call it. Might depend who turns up best on the day.
Also, not sure Clonduff will be as easy beat this time round. Burren should beat CPN well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 23, 2022, 11:40:53 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 23, 2022, 10:54:19 PM
Commentating tonight was atrocious. It was like listening to two lads having the craic rather than commentating on what was actually in front of them.

On you go and volunteer your services.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on September 24, 2022, 12:19:21 AM
The lads had to improvise at what was going on in front of them, most of it was barely worth a mention. Well done to them both. 👏
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 24, 2022, 08:16:04 AM
No need to insult the lads, I mean, not even close to being a target. Next up will be the photographer or scoreboard person wasnt quick enough.
Game seemed a fairly dull one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on September 24, 2022, 10:33:31 AM
Castlewellan are a shadow of the team that not so long ago reached a championship final.
They seem to work very hard on juvenile hurling but is it at the expense of their football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 24, 2022, 08:15:41 PM
Not his biggest fan and gets some stick on here but Poacher has done some job with that Bridge team without Quinn their best player
Taken Burren to extra time and beating Downpatrick and a good Carryduff team is good going

Kilcoo to win tomorrow easily and then it's the big one is and our noisy neighbours
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on September 24, 2022, 08:51:56 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on September 24, 2022, 08:15:41 PM
Not his biggest fan and gets some stick on here but Poacher has done some job with that Bridge team without Quinn their best player
Taken Burren to extra time and beating Downpatrick and a good Carryduff team is good going

Kilcoo to win tomorrow easily and then it's the big one is and our noisy neighbours

Do you think they are improved now from before?
Tbh I don't see it.
Good squad of players but without Corey Quinn lack the scoring threat to challenge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 24, 2022, 10:54:05 PM
Would have to argue that isn't a good Carryduff team on todays evidence. Like W'Point, Clonduff and a few others they blow very hot and very very cold. Very cagey affair with not much quality on show today apart from Shane Annett who absolutely has to be part of the county squad going forward. You wouldn't think Carryduff had 5/6 county men based off todays performance but that's as far as the Bridge will get now. I think Loughinisland would beat them from what I've seen so far. It's Kilcoo and the Rest as always in down. Magpies will hammer yellas and Burren do the same to the point on Monday and we'll have the usual Kilcoo And Burren split in the semis then meet for the final we all want to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on September 24, 2022, 11:25:15 PM
Two big calls from the officials today regarding umpires being over ruled
The ref over ruled his two umpires for Mayobridges first point, commentators were adamant it was wide and others in the crowd
Then a Duff point late on was given by the umpires and ref but ruled out by the linesman

That said Mayobridge were the better team overall
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 25, 2022, 12:55:31 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 24, 2022, 11:48:08 PM
Speaking of big calls by officials, was up at the Rostrevor Clone game on Friday eve and referee completely robbed Annaclone at the death. Blew the whistle with the ball sailing over the black spot. It must be Rostrevor's year after that going for them. They will walk the IFC, prominent Rostrevor Committee men in The Kilbroney Bar telling me they are already planning a training weekend for Ulster prep.
"Prominent". You sound like Truth Hurts.Jesus!!!!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on September 25, 2022, 05:22:10 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 24, 2022, 11:48:08 PM
Speaking of big calls by officials, was up at the Rostrevor Clone game on Friday eve and referee completely robbed Annaclone at the death. Blew the whistle with the ball sailing over the black spot. It must be Rostrevor's year after that going for them. They will walk the IFC, prominent Rostrevor Committee men in The Kilbroney Bar telling me they are already planning a training weekend for Ulster prep.

Only game Rostrevor have walked so far in IFC was Clann na Banna!! Saval and Liatroim will fancy their chances, though Saval haven't played anyone yet. Liatroim were near gone v Darragh Cross, and that experience, plus defeat v Rostrevor in Round 1 could stand to them. They have built nicely since and will be happy going into the last four.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on September 25, 2022, 08:32:45 AM
Credit to poacher and clarke with mayobridge. They are going along nicely. Carryduff have progressed but I still cant back them in these big games. I am not sure what it is but wud love to see the make breakthrough but you have to be good enough. I expect yellas to be more competitive than last day out later this evening but u wud expect kilcoo to manage it out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 25, 2022, 12:56:41 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 24, 2022, 10:54:05 PM
Would have to argue that isn't a good Carryduff team on todays evidence. Like W'Point, Clonduff and a few others they blow very hot and very very cold. Very cagey affair with not much quality on show today apart from Shane Annett who absolutely has to be part of the county squad going forward. You wouldn't think Carryduff had 5/6 county men based off todays performance but that's as far as the Bridge will get now. I think Loughinisland would beat them from what I've seen so far. It's Kilcoo and the Rest as always in down. Magpies will hammer yellas and Burren do the same to the point on Monday and we'll have the usual Kilcoo And Burren split in the semis then meet for the final we all want to see.
They only have 5/6 county men because a lot of the better players from the south down teams over the last 3/4 years won't commit to county football. Carryduff just aren't capable of winning a championship they are a mid table first division team at best
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 25, 2022, 07:35:28 PM
Kilcoo should have been beat there. From the online coverage they seemed to get the rub of the green from the ref. Clonduff should have had a penalty first half From what I seen. Albeit online coverage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 25, 2022, 07:37:53 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 25, 2022, 07:35:28 PM
Kilcoo should have been beat there. From the online coverage they seemed to get the rub of the green from the ref. Clonduff should have had a penalty first half From what I seen. Albeit online coverage.
Twitter updates are dreadful. Every 15 mins. A pigeon would update quicker.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 25, 2022, 07:47:49 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 25, 2022, 07:37:53 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 25, 2022, 07:35:28 PM
Kilcoo should have been beat there. From the online coverage they seemed to get the rub of the green from the ref. Clonduff should have had a penalty first half From what I seen. Albeit online coverage.
Twitter updates are dreadful. Every 15 mins. A pigeon would update quicker.

Kilcoo 1 up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 25, 2022, 07:48:11 PM
Clonduff free all square
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on September 25, 2022, 07:52:44 PM
Lads, surely someone in Down can update the Twitter account with score updates. A woeful service for outsiders who have an interest

Is there any other Twitter account that regularly updates on all Down championship games. Every other county has several guys who update on games who are not part of the county board or official county pages
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on September 25, 2022, 08:24:10 PM
Useless f*ckers Clonduff. Signed. All of Ulster!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 25, 2022, 08:33:49 PM
Kilcoo are the luckiest team in Ireland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on September 25, 2022, 08:38:15 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 25, 2022, 07:52:44 PM
Lads, surely someone in Down can update the Twitter account with score updates. A woeful service for outsiders who have an interest

Is there any other Twitter account that regularly updates on all Down championship games. Every other county has several guys who update on games who are not part of the county board or official county pages

I wonder is it at the request of the streaming company. (No basis for this other than my own meandering thoughts)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on September 25, 2022, 08:41:12 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on September 25, 2022, 08:38:15 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 25, 2022, 07:52:44 PM
Lads, surely someone in Down can update the Twitter account with score updates. A woeful service for outsiders who have an interest

Is there any other Twitter account that regularly updates on all Down championship games. Every other county has several guys who update on games who are not part of the county board or official county pages

I wonder is it at the request of the streaming company. (No basis for this other than my own meandering thoughts)

Unlikely that the streaming company can influence the county board but surely they can't influence an individual GAA supporter who can do it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 25, 2022, 08:44:11 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on September 25, 2022, 08:33:49 PM
Kilcoo are the luckiest team in Ireland
As Napoleon said, "Give me a lucky general.'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 25, 2022, 08:49:25 PM
Kilcoo are never beat. Unbelievable how thry do that time and time again in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 25, 2022, 08:54:11 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on September 25, 2022, 08:38:15 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 25, 2022, 07:52:44 PM
Lads, surely someone in Down can update the Twitter account with score updates. A woeful service for outsiders who have an interest

Is there any other Twitter account that regularly updates on all Down championship games. Every other county has several guys who update on games who are not part of the county board or official county pages

I wonder is it at the request of the streaming company. (No basis for this other than my own meandering thoughts)
I'd say your on the money here. Kilcoo twitter wasn't updated either .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on September 25, 2022, 09:09:26 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 25, 2022, 08:54:11 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on September 25, 2022, 08:38:15 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on September 25, 2022, 07:52:44 PM
Lads, surely someone in Down can update the Twitter account with score updates. A woeful service for outsiders who have an interest

Is there any other Twitter account that regularly updates on all Down championship games. Every other county has several guys who update on games who are not part of the county board or official county pages

I wonder is it at the request of the streaming company. (No basis for this other than my own meandering thoughts)
I'd say your on the money here. Kilcoo twitter wasn't updated either .

I don't think it would have been the streaming company. They gave score by score on the hurling earlier which was being streamed.
Kilcoo haven't provided any updates for any of their matches via twitter all year, it isn't just this evening, but it would be unfair to single them out as many clubs haven't done it either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: down0202 on September 25, 2022, 09:52:16 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 25, 2022, 08:24:10 PM
Useless f*ckers Clonduff. Signed. All of Ulster!


You are some slabber aren't ya?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on September 25, 2022, 09:57:18 PM
Yellas restored some pride. They were being laughed at a few weeks ago but they put things right tonight. It wasnt pretty to watch but they could have won it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on September 25, 2022, 10:03:28 PM
Quote from: down0202 on September 25, 2022, 09:52:16 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 25, 2022, 08:24:10 PM
Useless f*ckers Clonduff. Signed. All of Ulster!


You are some slabber aren't ya?

💯
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 25, 2022, 10:07:32 PM
Anyone who has been following the championhsip this year would be aware that 15 min updates have been provided on every game.
Personally I think this is an improvement on last year where on many occasions games running simultaneously were score by score and some other games not at all. There has pretty much been updates available from all games this year at all levels.

Maybe an argument could be made for something a bit more regular now we are at the business end but I think the 15 min interval has been a clear strategy from the outset from County board and has worked well.

If you have time to follow twitter every other minute then maybe jus stream the game no?

Hard luck on Clonduff tonight. That was a very disciplined and mature performance from them. They were never in a position where they had to chase it and really could have snuck the win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on September 25, 2022, 10:17:55 PM
Quote from: down0202 on September 25, 2022, 09:52:16 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 25, 2022, 08:24:10 PM
Useless f*ckers Clonduff. Signed. All of Ulster!


You are some slabber aren't ya?

Been better getting Ross to hit the last peno!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on September 25, 2022, 10:29:27 PM
 :D
Quote from: urbangael on September 23, 2022, 07:53:08 PM
To think Clonduff will beat Kilcoo is the talk of a drunk... Kilcoo 2nds would beat Clonduff at the min.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 25, 2022, 10:42:26 PM
Horrendous game to watch - with puke football the order of the day. Kilcoo were lucky to stay in touch as at times Clonduff threatened to take them apart. But when you are playing the all Ireland champions you need to give yourself a chance. If that's setting up defensively then so be it.
Thought the ref gave some strange decisions to both clubs but gave an equal amount to each of them so no one can have gripes about that.
I xtra time was brutal to watch and then came the excitement. Penalties may not be everyone's cup of tea but what a way to end the game. Brilliant. Only thing I question is the exact same players hitting penalties in sudden death - is this how it's supposed to be?

Roll on tomorrow night. Let's hope the noisy neighbours have an off day and we can capitalise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on September 25, 2022, 10:45:09 PM
I wud expect the point to follow clonduff lead and show no respect to the mighty burren...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 25, 2022, 10:56:14 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 25, 2022, 10:42:26 PM
Horrendous game to watch - with puke football the order of the day. Kilcoo were lucky to stay in touch as at times Clonduff threatened to take them apart. But when you are playing the all Ireland champions you need to give yourself a chance. If that's setting up defensively then so be it.
Thought the ref gave some strange decisions to both clubs but gave an equal amount to each of them so no one can have gripes about that.
I xtra time was brutal to watch and then came the excitement. Penalties may not be everyone's cup of tea but what a way to end the game. Brilliant. Only thing I question is the exact same players hitting penalties in sudden death - is this how it's supposed to be?

Roll on tomorrow night. Let's hope the noisy neighbours have an off day and we can capitalise.

Yeh it's in the rule book the 5 who take the first 5 pens take the penalties in sudden death.. Armagh/Galway match in the AI was the first I heard of it 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on September 26, 2022, 08:07:37 AM

Well Kilcoo still won so its all about being in that draw for the semis. Clonduff with yet another hard luck story some of their pens were terrible. I agree in that in don't think the same players should hit again after 5. Ref definitely favoured Kilcoo as is very common with Down refs... Go with the favourites. Kilcoo will surely improve... They haven't started their best 15 yet but realistically their championship campaign starts now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 26, 2022, 08:51:42 AM
An interesting weekend so far, Castlewellan was atrocious but Loughinisland won't fear anyone. I was wrong about Mayobridge who really took an intensity to Carryduff who was second best. Defensively they were excellent and they have impressed me since Quinn left. Last nights game was great entertainment, for large parts it was puke but the closeness kept it fun to watch. Clonduff came with a blueprint that other teams will copy. But to be fair every team plays this way now and on the day it's who is hungrier. I think think the championship is wide open due to the way football is now played. Every game is going to be tight and cagey from here on in. Kilcoo is still the team to beat but there will be doubts in their camp this morning but it could be the best thing that happened to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 26, 2022, 10:41:46 AM
I just got a message that Mickey Moran is back with Kilcoo and the players went to ensure he was there for the championship games. Is there any truth in this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on September 26, 2022, 10:50:54 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 26, 2022, 10:41:46 AM
I just got a message that Mickey Moran is back with Kilcoo and the players went to ensure he was there for the championship games. Is there any truth in this?

Martin Luther King had a dream, Joseph ( Coat of many colours) had a dream. You got a message. So must be true
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 26, 2022, 11:42:42 AM
Quote from: Godsown on September 26, 2022, 10:50:54 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 26, 2022, 10:41:46 AM
I just got a message that Mickey Moran is back with Kilcoo and the players went to ensure he was there for the championship games. Is there any truth in this?

Martin Luther King had a dream, Joseph ( Coat of many colours) had a dream. You got a message. So must be true

If you are going to be sarcastic please make it funny. Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Down Follower on September 26, 2022, 12:56:24 PM
How people think the ref favoured Kilcoo is beyond me.
Clonduff tackled hard and crossed the line to reckless on many occasions. Numerous late and high hits yet. Only 2 or 3 yellows given out.
Kilcoo took the hits, rode their luck for sure and came through.
How they do it time and again is unreal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 26, 2022, 01:35:26 PM
Quote from: Down Follower on September 26, 2022, 12:56:24 PM
How people think the ref favoured Kilcoo is beyond me.
Clonduff tackled hard and crossed the line to reckless on many occasions. Numerous late and high hits yet. Only 2 or 3 yellows given out.
Kilcoo took the hits, rode their luck for sure and came through.
How they do it time and again is unreal.

The scoreable frees Kilcoo got before HT were soft, Arthur should have got a penalty in the first half and Niall Brannigan should have been black carded for a deliberate pull down with 10 to go. All in all Clonduff missed the boat and one kick from a penalty would have sent the Champs packing. It is actually crazy how many near misses they have had and they always are ok. Arthur McConville and Aidan Carr were immense last night for Clonduff. Aiden Brannigan played his first game of the year last night and looks miles off the pace, Laverty is not getting the same space anymore and doesn't have the impact as he used to, I did notice at full time that he was doing all the talking in the huddle with Gilligan and Thorthon watching on. I would love to see Burren and Kilcoo kept apart as it would be an interesting final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 26, 2022, 03:54:46 PM
Agree with earlier post, both sides benefited from decisions. Commentators spot on though, think each of Clonduff full back lines should have been carded with high hits. But ref let play go, local derby in knock out, thought he done well all in all.
Overall though it was absorbing game to watch, maybe not flowing football but very tactical. Not a fan of pens, replay would be my choice.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 26, 2022, 04:42:49 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 26, 2022, 03:54:46 PM
Agree with earlier post, both sides benefited from decisions. Commentators spot on though, think each of Clonduff full back lines should have been carded with high hits. But ref let play go, local derby in knock out, thought he done well all in all.
Overall though it was absorbing game to watch, maybe not flowing football but very tactical. Not a fan of pens, replay would be my choice.

What rules should we change to stop the puke though, Kilcoo kept the ball for about 6 minutes last night, but it was absorbing as we are Down people but some neutrals from another county would have been bored by that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 26, 2022, 04:49:01 PM
No credible rules could be invoked for that I don't think. I could be wrong, taking the basketball offensive approach, no back pass after opposition 45, teams needing to have a minimum of 3 players in 45etc are options but I don't think would advance our game. I don't see an easy solution.
Player and spectators appetite for a more forward thinking game would be the way to go
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on September 26, 2022, 07:19:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 26, 2022, 04:42:49 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 26, 2022, 03:54:46 PM
Agree with earlier post, both sides benefited from decisions. Commentators spot on though, think each of Clonduff full back lines should have been carded with high hits. But ref let play go, local derby in knock out, thought he done well all in all.
Overall though it was absorbing game to watch, maybe not flowing football but very tactical. Not a fan of pens, replay would be my choice.

What rules should we change to stop the puke though, Kilcoo kept the ball for about 6 minutes last night, but it was absorbing as we are Down people but some neutrals from another county would have been bored by that.

Barcelona or Man City play a possession game, move the ball about the pitch & wait patiently for an opening & their coaches are hailed as genius.

When a GAA team use the same tactics it's puke & the coaches are ruining the game.

Some people will rave about it in one code then rant about it in another.

I don't get the outrage.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 26, 2022, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on September 26, 2022, 07:19:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 26, 2022, 04:42:49 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 26, 2022, 03:54:46 PM
Agree with earlier post, both sides benefited from decisions. Commentators spot on though, think each of Clonduff full back lines should have been carded with high hits. But ref let play go, local derby in knock out, thought he done well all in all.
Overall though it was absorbing game to watch, maybe not flowing football but very tactical. Not a fan of pens, replay would be my choice.

What rules should we change to stop the puke though, Kilcoo kept the ball for about 6 minutes last night, but it was absorbing as we are Down people but some neutrals from another county would have been bored by that.

Barcelona or Man City play a possession game, move the ball about the pitch & wait patiently for an opening & their coaches are hailed as genius.

When a GAA team use the same tactics it's puke & the coaches are ruining the game.

Some people will rave about it in one code then rant about it in another.

I don't get the outrage.



It's not soccer.

The reason why there's uprights in Gaelic Games is to provide teams with  a reasonable chance of a gaining a score on every possession. Soccer with its single net doesn't have this framework. Therefore in soccer preventing your opponent from creating goal chances is the key to the game.

Also please bear in that 3 decades ago soccer removed the back pass with a sole purpose: to prevent teams being able to retain possession in a skillless way.

We have to do the same, now. It's time.skill less possession is crap to play, and absolutely horrible to watch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on September 26, 2022, 08:32:05 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 26, 2022, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on September 26, 2022, 07:19:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 26, 2022, 04:42:49 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 26, 2022, 03:54:46 PM
Agree with earlier post, both sides benefited from decisions. Commentators spot on though, think each of Clonduff full back lines should have been carded with high hits. But ref let play go, local derby in knock out, thought he done well all in all.
Overall though it was absorbing game to watch, maybe not flowing football but very tactical. Not a fan of pens, replay would be my choice.

What rules should we change to stop the puke though, Kilcoo kept the ball for about 6 minutes last night, but it was absorbing as we are Down people but some neutrals from another county would have been bored by that.

Barcelona or Man City play a possession game, move the ball about the pitch & wait patiently for an opening & their coaches are hailed as genius.

When a GAA team use the same tactics it's puke & the coaches are ruining the game.

Some people will rave about it in one code then rant about it in another.

I don't get the outrage.



It's not soccer.

The reason why there's uprights in Gaelic Games is to provide teams with  a reasonable chance of a gaining a score on every possession. Soccer with its single net doesn't have this framework. Therefore in soccer preventing your opponent from creating goal chances is the key to the game.

Also please bear in that 3 decades ago soccer removed the back pass with a sole purpose: to prevent teams being able to retain possession in a skillless way.

We have to do the same, now. It's time.skill less possession is crap to play, and absolutely horrible to watch.

Didn't think I'd hear that from a Harps man. It was a staple of your senior team for a very long time!
😄

I agree with you to a point but what is m saying is that there are individuals who are full of praise & outraged at the same time.
Tbh I think it's a narrative driven by parts of the media & certain pundits.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 26, 2022, 09:19:45 PM
Penalties again!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on September 26, 2022, 09:24:24 PM
Do Down just refuse to post updates on Twitter?? 20mins before 1st of the night, none in ET etc.

Madness. Compare to Tyrone/Armagh/Derry etc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: angermanagement on September 26, 2022, 09:33:37 PM
Burren out. 5-4 penalties.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 26, 2022, 09:37:02 PM
Some inquest in Burren after tonight. Serious money being spent to be knocked out in the 1/4 final after all the talk...

Kilcoo home and hosed again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 26, 2022, 09:42:22 PM
Burren faded badly in extra time, if they had of been concentrating on their own game instead of jumping about pairc esler last night cheering for clonduff they wouldn't of tired so quickly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 26, 2022, 09:46:01 PM
The team that goes first wins shoot-outs 3 out of 5. Big advantage, tho both Hilltown and Burren had pens to win and missed them. Wpt derserved it, Burren far too negative, should have exploited Treanor in full-forward much more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yellowcard on September 26, 2022, 09:49:42 PM
That's put paid to the possibility of a big grudge final of Burren v Kilcoo anyway. With the level of resources pumped into Burren and the extent to which they go to entice players, they must be the greatest perennial underachievers in Down club senior football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 26, 2022, 09:58:15 PM
Well wasn't that just lovely to experience. Given absolutely no chance by anyone outside the group of players and we turned over the noisy ones again. Second time in a few seasons we have beaten them in championship. Burren supporters around me calling for management to go. Serious amount of money spent there and a paltry league to show for it.
We move on to the semi finals now. Loughinisland have beaten us already and will be delighted with the draw - massive underdogs again but as we all seen tonight the tag suits us.
Bridge v CPN final I'm predicting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 26, 2022, 10:06:49 PM
When are the semi finals?? Next weekend or 2 weeks time?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on September 26, 2022, 10:28:19 PM
Cheap weekend in Donegal going for any club interested 

Jimmy mc G
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on September 26, 2022, 10:33:43 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 26, 2022, 09:58:15 PM
Well wasn't that just lovely to experience. Given absolutely no chance by anyone outside the group of players and we turned over the noisy ones again. Second time in a few seasons we have beaten them in championship. Burren supporters around me calling for management to go. Serious amount of money spent there and a paltry league to show for it.
We move on to the semi finals now. Loughinisland have beaten us already and will be delighted with the draw - massive underdogs again but as we all seen tonight the tag suits us.
Bridge v CPN final I'm predicting.
Yes that was just great to see.
A bank-rolled team of so called superstars beaten by a depleted CPN team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on September 26, 2022, 10:35:48 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 26, 2022, 10:06:49 PM
When are the semi finals?? Next weekend or 2 weeks time?
I'm hearing 3pm this Sunday for CPN v Loughinisland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 26, 2022, 10:43:56 PM
East down final on the cards but it's going to take a massive effort , should take Island v Point away from Newry , take it to Kilcoo or Castlewellan ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on September 26, 2022, 10:48:15 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 26, 2022, 09:58:15 PM
Well wasn't that just lovely to experience. Given absolutely no chance by anyone outside the group of players and we turned over the noisy ones again. Second time in a few seasons we have beaten them in championship. Burren supporters around me calling for management to go. Serious amount of money spent there and a paltry league to show for it.
We move on to the semi finals now. Loughinisland have beaten us already and will be delighted with the draw - massive underdogs again but as we all seen tonight the tag suits us.
Bridge v CPN final I'm predicting.

After tonight's performance  CPN will be stone wall favourites. Deserved to win, as for resources I'd wouldn't think Mulholland and Poland are doing it for pennies. But at least you don't have to take about Burren anymore but can talk about the resources spent in Kilcoo!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 26, 2022, 10:54:10 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on September 26, 2022, 09:24:24 PM
Do Down just refuse to post updates on Twitter?? 20mins before 1st of the night, none in ET etc.

Madness. Compare to Tyrone/Armagh/Derry etc

Let's get a few facts straight here. As was mentioned yesterday on here there is a clear pattern followed from Round 1 until now. 15 min updates in every match at every grade. Very few have not had this. Nothing to do with streaming or any other factor other than man power. In addition to this you say 'none in extra time'. There were no scores in the first half of extra time. Half time and full time was communicated followed by the full shootout.

The hurling semi finals were score for score, which I'm sure the football will also be. There was a meeting with the clubs before the championship commenced to clearly outline the position with score updates and there is a designated person in each club helping to facilitate this. If you can find a few more willing bodies, I am sure the Secretary or PRO would love to hear from you. Please also bare in mind the location of some host clubs and the lack of signal therein. Which may have been the case in Kilcoo tonight for example.

The incessant bashing is hard to listen to from people who wouldn't lift a finger for their club never mind the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on September 27, 2022, 12:12:26 AM
Kilcoo should change their name to the "cats" rather than the "magpies" they truly have nine lives. Felt sorry for Barry O Hagan on a personal level but that is sport.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on September 27, 2022, 07:22:54 AM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on September 27, 2022, 12:12:26 AM
Kilcoo should change their name to the "cats" rather than the "magpies" they truly have nine lives. Felt sorry for Barry O Hagan on a personal level but that is sport.

What happened Barry O'Hagan in the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on September 27, 2022, 08:10:08 AM
Well done to point. It was a tense close game throughout but the point deserved it. Burren came up short and I could not understand why they did press on all the point kick outs in extra time. That young lad in the point half forward line has some pace and is worth looking at at county level. Liam kerr looks great on the ball but he did not penetrate enough to cause the point problems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 27, 2022, 08:42:41 AM
Jesus Christ Burren shit the nest again, a team that got carried away with winning the league. McCorry and Adams will walk now as they must see they can't coach balls. They have an array of talent but always come up short. They have won 5/6 minor championships in recent years and the talent is there but they don't have it. I thought the Point were unreal and well worth their victory. Paddy Burns coming on too, like what is that about, Burren have 10 players like him, how can that sit well with the real Burren men.
Kilcoo must be rubbing their hubs after getting out of jail and seeing their only challenger fall to the sword. It was great entertainment..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on September 27, 2022, 09:08:24 AM
Does Ross McGarry still play for Warrenpoint?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on September 27, 2022, 09:13:21 AM
Quote from: toby47 on September 27, 2022, 09:08:24 AM
Does Ross McGarry still play for Warrenpoint?
Injured,  broken jaw in training accident
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 27, 2022, 09:28:55 AM
Not sure 'walk away' will be the right terminology, I'd say they'll be pushed. Fair play to CPN, not many (including me) would have thought they had a performance in them. Semi finals this weekend then with a break for finals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on September 27, 2022, 10:33:18 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 27, 2022, 10:11:27 AM
Now that the dust has settled, a few points on last night.

Adam Lynch was outstanding on Kerr, McCartan kept Magill fairly quiet too. CPN seemed to get their big match ups right. Couldn't understand Gerard McGovern picking up Boyle, thought Boyle was magificent too, a real rolls Royce. Young Byrne exceptional for W'Point at breaking lines. Gary McMahon with balls the size of watermelons for the free at the end of normal time and his penalty was not wise.

You can tell Burren thought it was just a matter of turning up and beating the point. Very disappointing Championship for them and Kilcoo will fancy a stroll home now to another SFC. Would've been for some craic if Clonduff had made it over the line but The Bridge will be no walk over. Loughinisland Kilcoo final repeat of 2009 final. Championship has come to life this weekend💪

The championship has come alive because no back door,  time it was done away with and u will have more games like this
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 27, 2022, 11:05:55 AM
Fully agree, scrap back door. Every game has a meaning and might allow time for replays instead of penalties.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 27, 2022, 11:23:03 AM
Burren were extremely poor and maybe thought it would be an easy nights work. Until McKernan came on they kicked a lot of really bad wides.
The Point were full value for their win and counter attacked at pace time and time again.

Burren had no alternative plan when The Point put up the defensive screen around the scoring zone, whereas The Point got goals but breaking defensive lines.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 27, 2022, 11:26:15 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 27, 2022, 10:11:27 AM
Now that the dust has settled, a few points on last night.

Adam Lynch was outstanding on Kerr, McCartan kept Magill fairly quiet too. CPN seemed to get their big match ups right. Couldn't understand Gerard McGovern picking up Boyle, thought Boyle was magnificent too, a real Rolls Royce. Young Byrne exceptional for W'Point at breaking lines. Gary McMahon with balls the size of watermelons for the free at the end of normal time and his penalty was not wise.

You can tell Burren thought it was just a matter of turning up and beating the point. Very disappointing Championship for them and Kilcoo will fancy a stroll home now to another SFC. Would've been for some craic if Clonduff had made it over the line but The Bridge will be no walk over. Loughinisland Kilcoo final repeat of 2009 final. Championship has come to life this weekend💪

Yes I agree with you on this about Burren being over cocky, they have been spilt at underage winning handy games and when it comes to battle they falter. the management will walk I would imagine but I do not know who the Oligarchs will turn to next, go all out for McGuinness or Gavin maybe. Eoghan Byrne was excellent for the Point along with McGivern at corner back. Byrne need to be in Lavertys squad. Burren should have pushed on in extra time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on September 27, 2022, 11:28:33 AM
Now that we are doing the relegation playoffs in the championship it might be a good time to go back to straight knockout. Then the losers in the first round will enter those and every team is still guaranteed 2 meaningful championship games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 27, 2022, 11:31:49 AM
Burren patrons leaving the game last night were disgusted at the way Burren have been playing football this year. It's not the Burren way and McCorry really needed to have a good showing in the SFC to win over a lot of the aristocrats. McCorry has been so focused on how Burren need to play to beat Kilcoo, they forgot there are other teams who can catch them out. Bridge should have beaten them also this year don't forget, last night wasn't a one off.

From last nights game, who should be on the Down squad? Not even sure who on that pitch last night was on Wee James' panel tbh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 27, 2022, 11:54:57 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 27, 2022, 11:31:49 AM
Burren patrons leaving the game last night were disgusted at the way Burren have been playing football this year. It's not the Burren way and McCorry really needed to have a good showing in the SFC to win over a lot of the aristocrats. McCorry has been so focused on how Burren need to play to beat Kilcoo, they forgot there are other teams who can catch them out. Bridge should have beaten them also this year don't forget, last night wasn't a one off.

From last night's game, who should be on the Down squad? Not even sure who on that pitch last night was on Wee James' panel tbh

CPN-Lynch, Byrne, Donach
Burren- Murdock, McCarthy, Kerr

The Burren way? Your sounding like Sean og :) The Burren way of football in the 80s is gone unfortunately
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 27, 2022, 12:08:45 PM
Quote from: upandwin on September 27, 2022, 11:31:49 AM
Burren patrons leaving the game last night were disgusted at the way Burren have been playing football this year. It's not the Burren way and McCorry really needed to have a good showing in the SFC to win over a lot of the aristocrats. McCorry has been so focused on how Burren need to play to beat Kilcoo, they forgot there are other teams who can catch them out. Bridge should have beaten them also this year don't forget, last night wasn't a one off.

From last nights game, who should be on the Down squad? Not even sure who on that pitch last night was on Wee James' panel tbh

Most big performances in this year's championship have been from over 30s which is a bad sign for the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 27, 2022, 12:12:44 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on September 26, 2022, 10:33:43 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 26, 2022, 09:58:15 PM
Well wasn't that just lovely to experience. Given absolutely no chance by anyone outside the group of players and we turned over the noisy ones again. Second time in a few seasons we have beaten them in championship. Burren supporters around me calling for management to go. Serious amount of money spent there and a paltry league to show for it.
We move on to the semi finals now. Loughinisland have beaten us already and will be delighted with the draw - massive underdogs again but as we all seen tonight the tag suits us.
Bridge v CPN final I'm predicting.
Yes that was just great to see.
A bank-rolled team of so called superstars beaten by a depleted CPN team
Yes CPN were missing 4 big players in r mc Garry r Mallon r Magee and c mc cartan who aren't available for whatever reasons this year but full credit to everyone one of their players that graced the field they done their bit and deserved their victory. Can't see loughinisland beating them again CPN were poor that night in Kilcoo and will have learnt a lot from that night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 27, 2022, 12:31:01 PM
Quote from: supersub on September 26, 2022, 10:54:10 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on September 26, 2022, 09:24:24 PM
Do Down just refuse to post updates on Twitter?? 20mins before 1st of the night, none in ET etc.

Madness. Compare to Tyrone/Armagh/Derry etc

Let's get a few facts straight here. As was mentioned yesterday on here there is a clear pattern followed from Round 1 until now. 15 min updates in every match at every grade. Very few have not had this. Nothing to do with streaming or any other factor other than man power. In addition to this you say 'none in extra time'. There were no scores in the first half of extra time. Half time and full time was communicated followed by the full shootout.

The hurling semi finals were score for score, which I'm sure the football will also be. There was a meeting with the clubs before the championship commenced to clearly outline the position with score updates and there is a designated person in each club helping to facilitate this. If you can find a few more willing bodies, I am sure the Secretary or PRO would love to hear from you. Please also bare in mind the location of some host clubs and the lack of signal therein. Which may have been the case in Kilcoo tonight for example.

The incessant bashing is hard to listen to from people who wouldn't lift a finger for their club never mind the county.

Fully agree with this supersub, The game is on in Newry, you can watch on PaircTv for a few quid, if you don't fancy that then 90% of pubs in nationalist areas in Down would be showing the matches. If you have any interest in the game there are ample opportunities to watch. The coverage of the TV has been excellent and the commentators who are all volunteers are doing a great jobs. Patsys voice is iconic in Down GAA and I do like when he commentates as he can make a bad game sound good. But they are all very good and very knowledgeable, well done to all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: roger99 on September 27, 2022, 12:45:39 PM
Quote from: elk on September 27, 2022, 12:12:44 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on September 26, 2022, 10:33:43 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 26, 2022, 09:58:15 PM
Well wasn't that just lovely to experience. Given absolutely no chance by anyone outside the group of players and we turned over the noisy ones again. Second time in a few seasons we have beaten them in championship. Burren supporters around me calling for management to go. Serious amount of money spent there and a paltry league to show for it.
We move on to the semi finals now. Loughinisland have beaten us already and will be delighted with the draw - massive underdogs again but as we all seen tonight the tag suits us.
Bridge v CPN final I'm predicting.
Yes that was just great to see.
A bank-rolled team of so called superstars beaten by a depleted CPN team
Yes CPN were missing 4 big players in r mc Garry r Mallon r Magee and c mc cartan who aren't available for whatever reasons this year but full credit to everyone one of their players that graced the field they done their bit and deserved their victory. Can't see loughinisland beating them again CPN were poor that night in Kilcoo and will have learnt a lot from that night

Clear issue with Burren management , they need to get their best players on the pitch like the McAvoy cubs. They should look for Mickey Moran next year or maybe Jim Gavin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on September 27, 2022, 02:20:28 PM
After tonight's performance  CPN will be stone wall favourites. Deserved to win, as for resources I'd wouldn't think Mulholland and Poland are doing it for pennies. But at least you don't have to take about Burren anymore but can talk about the resources spent in Kilcoo!!

I would imagine Kilcoo would consider it money well spent given the success they have had over the last decade or so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MajorShields26 on September 27, 2022, 02:46:12 PM
Quote from: roger99 on September 27, 2022, 12:45:39 PM
Quote from: elk on September 27, 2022, 12:12:44 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on September 26, 2022, 10:33:43 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 26, 2022, 09:58:15 PM
Well wasn't that just lovely to experience. Given absolutely no chance by anyone outside the group of players and we turned over the noisy ones again. Second time in a few seasons we have beaten them in championship. Burren supporters around me calling for management to go. Serious amount of money spent there and a paltry league to show for it.
We move on to the semi finals now. Loughinisland have beaten us already and will be delighted with the draw - massive underdogs again but as we all seen tonight the tag suits us.
Bridge v CPN final I'm predicting.
Yes that was just great to see.
A bank-rolled team of so called superstars beaten by a depleted CPN team
Yes CPN were missing 4 big players in r mc Garry r Mallon r Magee and c mc cartan who aren't available for whatever reasons this year but full credit to everyone one of their players that graced the field they done their bit and deserved their victory. Can't see loughinisland beating them again CPN were poor that night in Kilcoo and will have learnt a lot from that night

Clear issue with Burren management , they need to get their best players on the pitch like the McAvoy cubs. They should look for Mickey Moran next year or maybe Jim Gavin.

Although I agree about the McAvoys, championship football in down is fast and fierce, unlike the type of football being played in Toronto. Hope he enjoyed his summer. Don't think Jim Gavin or Micky Moran would consider Burren. Could get other big names in, Davy Fitz be great for them as a performance coach, maybe alongside a good football manager with lots of experience such as Brian McIver.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 27, 2022, 02:57:21 PM
I'd say Pete McGrath could be interested in the job and is about the club having worked with the seconds and thirds this year. Who was over Burren minor team this season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 27, 2022, 02:59:16 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on September 27, 2022, 02:20:28 PM
After tonight's performance  CPN will be stone wall favourites. Deserved to win, as for resources I'd wouldn't think Mulholland and Poland are doing it for pennies. But at least you don't have to take about Burren anymore but can talk about the resources spent in Kilcoo!!

I would imagine Kilcoo would consider it money well spent given the success they have had over the last decade or so.

Kilcoo v Warrenpoint final would be a tasty encounter but Kilcoo won't be as bad again. Clonduff missed the boat and it's not coming back to dock in Down this year .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: roger99 on September 27, 2022, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: MajorShields26 on September 27, 2022, 02:46:12 PM
Quote from: roger99 on September 27, 2022, 12:45:39 PM
Quote from: elk on September 27, 2022, 12:12:44 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on September 26, 2022, 10:33:43 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 26, 2022, 09:58:15 PM
Well wasn't that just lovely to experience. Given absolutely no chance by anyone outside the group of players and we turned over the noisy ones again. Second time in a few seasons we have beaten them in championship. Burren supporters around me calling for management to go. Serious amount of money spent there and a paltry league to show for it.
We move on to the semi finals now. Loughinisland have beaten us already and will be delighted with the draw - massive underdogs again but as we all seen tonight the tag suits us.
Bridge v CPN final I'm predicting.
Yes that was just great to see.
A bank-rolled team of so called superstars beaten by a depleted CPN team
Yes CPN were missing 4 big players in r mc Garry r Mallon r Magee and c mc cartan who aren't available for whatever reasons this year but full credit to everyone one of their players that graced the field they done their bit and deserved their victory. Can't see loughinisland beating them again CPN were poor that night in Kilcoo and will have learnt a lot from that night

Clear issue with Burren management , they need to get their best players on the pitch like the McAvoy cubs. They should look for Mickey Moran next year or maybe Jim Gavin.

Although I agree about the McAvoys, championship football in down is fast and fierce, unlike the type of football being played in Toronto. Hope he enjoyed his summer. Don't think Jim Gavin or Micky Moran would consider Burren. Could get other big names in, Davy Fitz be great for them as a performance coach, maybe alongside a good football manager with lots of experience such as Brian McIver.


That's an interesting proposition. It's one that may ruffle a few feathers but I think it's so ludicrous it might just work . Just not sure how the logistics would work out. But if both parties were interested they could make it work . Perhaps management and team meeting half way for trainings , or alternating training between Burren and Co.Clare . Who would you see as the back room team ? Perhaps Donnacha  O'Callaghan from Irelands fittest family could come in as S&C coach
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 27, 2022, 03:20:28 PM
I'd be completely stunned if Mickey Moran re-entered management at any level. Different going to the big games for a bit of extra guile or ideas but not full time. Jim Gavin may be tempted though. Pete, not so sure about that either, didn't go well with his own club although passionate about football.

All semis in Pairc Esler? Dates and times set?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 27, 2022, 03:21:10 PM
The real Burren is in co Clare, closest Davy Fitz will get 😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 27, 2022, 03:37:49 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 27, 2022, 03:20:28 PM
I'd be completely stunned if Mickey Moran re-entered management at any level. Different going to the big games for a bit of extra guile or ideas but not full time. Jim Gavin may be tempted though. Pete, not so sure about that either, didn't go well with his own club although passionate about football.

All semis in Pairc Esler? Dates and times set?

All in the marshes

Mickey might be enticed if the package was good. It would be some coup but Gavin would probably be a better option.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 27, 2022, 03:50:30 PM
What are people's views on Junior which has turned interesting?  The Ardglass victory over John Clarkes Dundrum was a massive shock, especially after the crap season Ardglass has had.  It's an area that always had talent but the commitment was the problem. Dundrum and Ballykinlar really need to amalgamate to reignite Gaelic games in the Tyrella area, Dundrum is an aging team and needs new blood.  Dromara is massive favorites but I could see a shock by East Belfast. There is a chance East Belfast founder and manager Dave McGreevey could be up against his old club Tecconnaught in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on September 27, 2022, 04:40:50 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 27, 2022, 03:37:49 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 27, 2022, 03:20:28 PM
I'd be completely stunned if Mickey Moran re-entered management at any level. Different going to the big games for a bit of extra guile or ideas but not full time. Jim Gavin may be tempted though. Pete, not so sure about that either, didn't go well with his own club although passionate about football.

All semis in Pairc Esler? Dates and times set?

All in the marshes

Mickey might be enticed if the package was good. It would be some coup but Gavin would probably be a better option.
Mickey Moran or Jim Gavin won't be near Burren any time soon.Dreaming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 27, 2022, 05:12:44 PM
Hearing from a very reliable source that wee James will be manager of Burren next season.

The fall out from last night is very real!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on September 27, 2022, 05:33:04 PM
Clear out in Burren underway. Young lads telling elder statesmen where to go
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on September 27, 2022, 06:21:03 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on September 27, 2022, 05:33:04 PM
Clear out in Burren underway. Young lads telling elder statesmen where to go

Maybe if they had bought an elder stateman on a bit sooner they be in the semis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ciaron08 on September 27, 2022, 06:59:45 PM
Lets be honest we all know there is a few young Burren lads that have a chip on their shoulder but to question the senior pros that have been there and done it is an absolute joke, well they were fairly brought down a peg or two last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 27, 2022, 07:14:46 PM
Quote from: ciaron08 on September 27, 2022, 06:59:45 PM
Lets be honest we all know there is a few young Burren lads that have a chip on their shoulder but to question the senior pros that have been there and done it is an absolute joke, well they were fairly brought down a peg or two last night.

Senior pros that have done what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 27, 2022, 07:23:52 PM
Massive fallout even heard miceal magill wants his sons to transfer to the point!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on September 27, 2022, 07:24:57 PM
Quote from: ciaron08 on September 27, 2022, 06:59:45 PM
Lets be honest we all know there is a few young Burren lads that have a chip on their shoulder but to question the senior pros that have been there and done it is an absolute joke, well they were fairly brought down a peg or two last night.

Some post for your 1st post. " Senior Pros who have been there and done that". You must be talking about the likes of Shorty, Tony McArdle etc. if you want to get on message you need to get down to the Busy Bee 🐝🐝 or the Oak Grill. That's where it's all happening among the prominent GAA heads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 27, 2022, 08:56:54 PM

[/quote] 

Maybe if they had bought an elder stateman on a bit sooner they be in the semis.
[/quote]

He didn't do too much in extra time when we got to grips with him and hadn't the balls to take a penalty. Some leader that...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on September 27, 2022, 09:54:13 PM
Quote from: PTC on September 27, 2022, 07:23:52 PM
Massive fallout even heard miceal magill wants his sons to transfer to the point!!
No thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on September 28, 2022, 08:06:49 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 27, 2022, 08:56:54 PM


Maybe if they had bought an elder stateman on a bit sooner they be in the semis.
[/quote]

He didn't do too much in extra time when we got to grips with him and hadn't the ball


s to take a penalty. Some leader that...
[/quote]

The man owes nothing to Down or Burren, he's a legend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on September 28, 2022, 08:20:14 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on September 28, 2022, 08:06:49 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 27, 2022, 08:56:54 PM


Maybe if they had bought an elder stateman on a bit sooner they be in the semis.

He didn't do too much in extra time when we got to grips with him and hadn't the ball


s to take a penalty. Some leader that...
[/quote]

The man owes nothing to Down or Burren, he's a legend.
[/quote]

Absolutely, enormous contribution to GAA , in his club, county and beyond.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 28, 2022, 08:29:03 AM
Quote from: Godsown on September 27, 2022, 07:24:57 PM
Quote from: ciaron08 on September 27, 2022, 06:59:45 PM
Lets be honest we all know there is a few young Burren lads that have a chip on their shoulder but to question the senior pros that have been there and done it is an absolute joke, well they were fairly brought down a peg or two last night.

Some post for your 1st post. " Senior Pros who have been there and done that". You must be talking about the likes of Shorty, Tony McArdle etc. if you want to get on message you need to get down to the Busy Bee 🐝🐝 or the Oak Grill. That's where it's all happening among the prominent GAA heads

I may be wrong but the older men on the team could have 2/3 championships
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on September 28, 2022, 08:53:12 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 27, 2022, 08:56:54 PM


Maybe if they had bought an elder stateman on a bit sooner they be in the semis.
[/quote]

He didn't do too much in extra time when we got to grips with him and hadn't the balls to take a penalty. Some leader that...
[/quote]

Idiotic comment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on September 28, 2022, 09:44:14 AM
Quote from: sdg on September 27, 2022, 09:54:13 PM
Quote from: PTC on September 27, 2022, 07:23:52 PM
Massive fallout even heard miceal magill wants his sons to transfer to the point!!
No thanks
+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MajorShields26 on September 28, 2022, 10:22:05 AM
Quote from: wobbller on September 27, 2022, 04:40:50 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 27, 2022, 03:37:49 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 27, 2022, 03:20:28 PM
I'd be completely stunned if Mickey Moran re-entered management at any level. Different going to the big games for a bit of extra guile or ideas but not full time. Jim Gavin may be tempted though. Pete, not so sure about that either, didn't go well with his own club although passionate about football.

All semis in Pairc Esler? Dates and times set?

All in the marshes

Mickey might be enticed if the package was good. It would be some coup but Gavin would probably be a better option.
Mickey Moran or Jim Gavin won't be near Burren any time soon.Dreaming.

Maybe the county board could help burren get sorted with a new top manager, it would make all of down football more competitive rather than kilcoo winning easily every year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 28, 2022, 10:40:18 AM
Haha, "And the wooden spoon award goes to...."

Excited for more knock out games this weekend. Last week showed us anything can happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on September 28, 2022, 11:48:10 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on September 28, 2022, 08:06:49 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 27, 2022, 08:56:54 PM


Maybe if they had bought an elder stateman on a bit sooner they be in the semis.

He didn't do too much in extra time when we got to grips with him and hadn't the ball
s to take a penalty. Some leader that...
[/quote]

The man owes nothing to Down or Burren, he's a legend.
[/quote]

Could be wrong but if memory serves me right he scored 2 huge points from way out when it was really needed and Burren were out of ideas?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on September 28, 2022, 02:10:46 PM
Will all matches this weekend be streamed? or only senior games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 28, 2022, 02:17:52 PM
Quote from: DanTheMan12 on September 28, 2022, 02:10:46 PM
Will all matches this weekend be streamed? or only senior games?

I'd imagine the marshes games are certs and the junior ones a good possibility.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 28, 2022, 04:06:46 PM
All 6 semi finals being shown on Down TV
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 28, 2022, 04:13:07 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 28, 2022, 04:06:46 PM
All 6 semi finals being shown on Down TV

That's ample time for Mikhailov and 5times to subscribe to PaircTv or to offer their services to tweet all scores from all 6 games this weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2022, 04:51:08 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 28, 2022, 08:20:14 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on September 28, 2022, 08:06:49 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 27, 2022, 08:56:54 PM


Maybe if they had bought an elder stateman on a bit sooner they be in the semis.

He didn't do too much in extra time when we got to grips with him and hadn't the ball


s to take a penalty. Some leader that...

The man owes nothing to Down or Burren, he's a legend.
[/quote]

Absolutely, enormous contribution to GAA , in his club, county and beyond.
[/quote]

Id love someone to explain this to me, seriously.
How is he a legend.
And what is the enormous contribution to GAA, Club, County and beyond he has made?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 28, 2022, 04:59:46 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2022, 04:51:08 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on September 28, 2022, 08:20:14 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on September 28, 2022, 08:06:49 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 27, 2022, 08:56:54 PM


Maybe if they had bought an elder stateman on a bit sooner they be in the semis.

He didn't do too much in extra time when we got to grips with him and hadn't the ball


s to take a penalty. Some leader that...

The man owes nothing to Down or Burren, he's a legend.

Absolutely, enormous contribution to GAA , in his club, county and beyond.
[/quote][/b]

Id love someone to explain this to me, seriously.
How is he a legend.
And what is the enormous contribution to GAA, Club, County and beyond he has made?
[/quote]

I think this discussion on a man who has given 18 years of service to Down should end now.  Captaining a Hogan side winning side, getting an all-star in 2010, captaining your county, county champion with your club, playing for Ireland......  If anyone here has done anything better in their career you can comment on Kevins contribution to the GAA.
Any more snide comments GAAmods should come in,

HAVE SOME RESPECT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 28, 2022, 05:06:48 PM
Truth it's not like you to talk a bit of sense your normally on hear spreading rumours and talking crap
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2022, 05:09:06 PM
I merely asked a question.
And you answered as you saw fit. Didnt really answer the question ,mind you but how and ever.
I didnt realise that in order to share opinions and views on here you had to have a medal-laden football career.

And he never got an Allstar in 2010, but he did win a sigerson cup with St Marys.....just to put the record straight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on September 28, 2022, 05:13:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 28, 2022, 04:13:07 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 28, 2022, 04:06:46 PM
All 6 semi finals being shown on Down TV

That's ample time for Mikhailov and 5times to subscribe to PaircTv or to offer their services to tweet all scores from all 6 games this weekend.

Plenty of time surely but all I want is regular updates. I am in Tyrone, attended every championship game over 4 days here and got updates and regular video clips from almost every county in Ireland except Down whilst attending Tyrone games.  Antrim had video clips and updates, Derry for the hurling final, Offaly for their football final, Kerry had updated and video clips, Monaghan had, Donegal had plus many others but Down only do it every 15 minutes.

I am not concerned about my cost of streaming games, it is general GAA goings on that interest me. If there is a Down game on TV on a night that I am not at a game then I buy it (Clonduff v Kilcoo 1st game, Mayobridge v Burren were both on nights and that suited me to buy it online)

But surely it generates public interest in all things DownGAA to promote updates for fans from outside the county - every other county seems to think it is beneficial.....but maybe Down know best.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on September 28, 2022, 05:16:18 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2022, 05:09:06 PM
I merely asked a question.
And you answered as you saw fit. Didnt really answer the question ,mind you but how and ever.
I didnt realise that in order to share opinions and views on here you had to have a medal-laden football career.

And he never got an Allstar in 2010, but he did win a sigerson cup with St Marys.....just to put the record straight.

I agree with you on this brick , a solid if unspectacular player for both club and county .for anyone saying Legend .... Behave 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on September 28, 2022, 05:20:53 PM
Theres a serious fawning over intercounty players these days when they hang the boots up and no longer play.
Talk of 'retirement' would sicken your hole. Then again some fellas just cant quietly disappear off the stage without making it about themselves i guess.
Therell always be guest spot appearances on panels, column inches of bullshit to fill, regalling us of their heroics as players, as well as the odd controversial tweet to remind us how relevant they should be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on September 28, 2022, 10:52:36 PM
Why aren't the semi finals being played as double headers? It seems pretty bizarre.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 29, 2022, 12:12:00 AM
Quote from: ranch on September 28, 2022, 10:52:36 PM
Why aren't the semi finals being played as double headers? It seems pretty bizarre.

I'd guess it's because the cost and convenience of double headers suit some people, but the cost doesn't suit others. So county board is damned if they do, damned if they don't.

On a personal note I can count the double headers I've sat the full way through in the past decade on one hand, so I think it's the better decision - but I can fully understand why others would not.

——

There haven't been any double headers since penalties were introduced, have there? Not sure if there's a conscious decision related to that, by the way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on September 29, 2022, 01:32:40 AM
I notice that Down haven't had many since the Covid year. I always presumed Covid was the reason but that would be strange if it was still the case now. Your point about penalties may be correct.

I get your point about the cost also, but having two games in the one ground and purposely not having a double header is the reason I'm asking, just found that a bit odd.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 29, 2022, 10:45:30 AM
I would not be mc kearan biggest fan but he did contribute more in the short time he was on than some of the young pups who were on the pitch a lot longer. As for the penalties surely the management would have decided the takers and not leave it to individuals to step forward after all the management team are getting paid to manage all eventualities
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on September 29, 2022, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: elk on September 29, 2022, 10:45:30 AM
I would not be mc kearan biggest fan but he did contribute more in the short time he was on than some of the young pups who were on the pitch a lot longer. As for the penalties surely the management would have decided the takers and not leave it to individuals to step forward after all the management team are getting paid to manage all eventualities

I'd want a player who was confident of taking a penalty instead of forcing it upon a player who was a bag of nerves. I'd rather have people step up than be forced to take a kick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 29, 2022, 11:51:06 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on September 29, 2022, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: elk on September 29, 2022, 10:45:30 AM
I would not be mc kearan biggest fan but he did contribute more in the short time he was on than some of the young pups who were on the pitch a lot longer. As for the penalties surely the management would have decided the takers and not leave it to individuals to step forward after all the management team are getting paid to manage all eventualities

I'd want a player who was confident of taking a penalty instead of forcing it upon a player who was a bag of nerves. I'd rather have people step up than be forced to take a kick.
If they are a bag of nerves playing CPN in a 1/4 final then I would have to question why they're on the pitch in the first place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 29, 2022, 01:14:26 PM
Right, that's enough of the Burren talk for the year.

Wh would you like to see part of Laverty's panel that has never got a chance before?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 29, 2022, 01:43:37 PM
Quote from: elk on September 29, 2022, 11:51:06 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on September 29, 2022, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: elk on September 29, 2022, 10:45:30 AM
I would not be mc kearan biggest fan but he did contribute more in the short time he was on than some of the young pups who were on the pitch a lot longer. As for the penalties surely the management would have decided the takers and not leave it to individuals to step forward after all the management team are getting paid to manage all eventualities

I'd want a player who was confident of taking a penalty instead of forcing it upon a player who was a bag of nerves. I'd rather have people step up than be forced to take a kick.
If they are a bag of nerves playing CPN in a 1/4 final then I would have to question why they're on the pitch in the first place.

Au contraire, in the modern game of overconditioned, risk free and skill-less football, any club that can call on 5 players with both the technique and confidence to commit to a penalty, can count their lucky stars.

It's kind of related to a tweet I read on Monday evening that McKernan and Boyle were the most eyecatching players on the field. There's good reason for that, and it's not just talent. More to do with being from a generation that actually tried risks when they broke into senior football, combined with a lack of concern if they miscue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on September 29, 2022, 03:33:13 PM
I'm just looking at the streaming schedule, strange that they decided to have the second junior game overlapping with the first senior game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 29, 2022, 05:36:22 PM
Elk, that's really a rubbish statement. Full time professional athletes at the highest levels are not comfortable taking pens.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 29, 2022, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 29, 2022, 05:36:22 PM
Elk, that's really a rubbish statement. Full time professional athletes at the highest levels are not comfortable taking pens.
[/quote
If you can the heat you shouldn't be in the kitchen then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 29, 2022, 08:40:22 PM
Got your number, youre that guy in the crowd that's never played the game telling the kids to work harder, get a grip of yer man.
It's actually ridiculous what your saying.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on September 29, 2022, 08:54:49 PM
Wee James appointed new Burren manager with Dan, Eoin and O'Hare. Coach to be announced in the coming weeks along with S&C.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on September 30, 2022, 09:11:11 AM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on September 29, 2022, 08:54:49 PM
Wee James appointed new Burren manager with Dan, Eoin and O'Hare. Coach to be announced in the coming weeks along with S&C.
I heard differently. Mckernan is in as player manager, the Burren committee were impressed by his on field management and its definitely a high risk / high reward appointment.
Also rumblings in the county with Jim Gavin spotted in Bumpers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 30, 2022, 12:14:47 PM
If that rain keeps up it could well be the marshes by Sunday - Think tonight will be a good game, Liatroim might rue the loss of McCrickard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on September 30, 2022, 01:42:29 PM
Apparently McCrickard is free to play after successful appeal.  Tips the balance in favour of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MajorShields26 on September 30, 2022, 01:47:51 PM
Quote from: FM on September 30, 2022, 09:11:11 AM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on September 29, 2022, 08:54:49 PM
Wee James appointed new Burren manager with Dan, Eoin and O'Hare. Coach to be announced in the coming weeks along with S&C.
I heard differently. Mckernan is in as player manager, the Burren committee were impressed by his on field management and its definitely a high risk / high reward appointment.
Also rumblings in the county with Jim Gavin spotted in Bumpers

Again not sure if true. Was speaking to a few in the know. They seem to think Burren board of directors are yet to make any sort of decision on future of Senior Team Managment. I speculated other day be great to see a big name be brought in to get the feel good factor back again around Burren because no doubt must of been lost after Monday Night. Jim Gavin be a great coup but unlikely. Maybe bring in someone young and exciting with someone with a lot of experience with county legend Mckernan in back room team? Glen Maghera have Malachy O Rourke, who should of beat kilcoo last year. Could they poach him and add maybe someone young like Jamie Clarke, who has expert football knowledge, will understand young people and is close by playing soccer. Maybe the crossover of sports might good to help young Burren team find the back of the net? LOL. That would be 1 hell of a managment team. Players would have to respond then. Those Burren patrons I was chatting to would love to see a big name like that I reckon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 30, 2022, 02:00:36 PM
Banty could be an option
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 30, 2022, 02:47:38 PM
That would be a big boost for Liatroim, and could well be the decider. Not sure how the appeal was won, he clean burst the fella no excuses.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 30, 2022, 04:00:24 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 30, 2022, 02:47:38 PM
That would be a big boost for Liatroim, and could well be the decider. Not sure how the appeal was won, he clean burst the fella no excuses.

McCrickard get off?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 30, 2022, 05:27:17 PM
Seems so, haven't heard officially, been away all week ffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on September 30, 2022, 05:42:35 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 30, 2022, 02:47:38 PM
That would be a big boost for Liatroim, and could well be the decider. Not sure how the appeal was won, he clean burst the fella no excuses.

How exactly did he burst him? Just curious
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on September 30, 2022, 06:28:20 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on September 30, 2022, 05:42:35 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 30, 2022, 02:47:38 PM
That would be a big boost for Liatroim, and could well be the decider. Not sure how the appeal was won, he clean burst the fella no excuses.

How exactly did he burst him? Just curious

Closed fist into the ribs about 5 seconds after the ref blew for the foul, with all eyes on him. Doesn't get much clearer. A closed fist is a closed fist. No excuse
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on September 30, 2022, 06:39:35 PM
Quote from: knockitdown on September 30, 2022, 06:28:20 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on September 30, 2022, 05:42:35 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 30, 2022, 02:47:38 PM
That would be a big boost for Liatroim, and could well be the decider. Not sure how the appeal was won, he clean burst the fella no excuses.

How exactly did he burst him? Just curious

Closed fist into the ribs about 5 seconds after the ref blew for the foul, with all eyes on him. Doesn't get much clearer. A closed fist is a closed fist. No excuse

Thanks. I wasn't at the game myself but the story I was told was there was a foul, and McCrickard attempted to knock the ball out of the defender's hands (ie no malice intended). I assume that's the plea they made when appealing, but I don't know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 30, 2022, 09:55:08 PM
Rostrevor in the final and hopefully their seaside neighbours follow suit at the weekend. Could be a fantastic finals weekend for two neighbouring friends  who haven't had much to shout about in a long time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 01, 2022, 02:27:23 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 30, 2022, 09:55:08 PM
Rostrevor in the final and hopefully their seaside neighbours follow suit at the weekend. Could be a fantastic finals weekend for two neighbouring friends  who haven't had much to shout about in a long time.

Brilliant stuff. Always love to see a senior club reach an intermediate final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 01, 2022, 08:22:02 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 01, 2022, 02:27:23 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 30, 2022, 09:55:08 PM
Rostrevor in the final and hopefully their seaside neighbours follow suit at the weekend. Could be a fantastic finals weekend for two neighbouring friends  who haven't had much to shout about in a long time.

Brilliant stuff. Always love to see a senior club reach an intermediate final.
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 01, 2022, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 01, 2022, 02:27:23 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 30, 2022, 09:55:08 PM
Rostrevor in the final and hopefully their seaside neighbours follow suit at the weekend. Could be a fantastic finals weekend for two neighbouring friends  who haven't had much to shout about in a long time.

Brilliant stuff. Always love to see a senior club reach an intermediate final.

We are all senior clubs CT. We just happen to play at different levels..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on October 01, 2022, 07:11:30 PM
Back from johns saval game, few Johnnies need worry more about the fundamentals of the game rather than who looks more like a highlighter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 01, 2022, 09:32:18 PM
Quote from: DanTheMan12 on October 01, 2022, 07:11:30 PM
Back from johns saval game, few Johnnies need worry more about the fundamentals of the game rather than who looks more like a highlighter.
Newbie- don't be a Dick!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 01, 2022, 10:11:05 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 01, 2022, 08:22:02 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 01, 2022, 02:27:23 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 30, 2022, 09:55:08 PM
Rostrevor in the final and hopefully their seaside neighbours follow suit at the weekend. Could be a fantastic finals weekend for two neighbouring friends  who haven't had much to shout about in a long time.

Brilliant stuff. Always love to see a senior club reach an intermediate final.
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Relying on yis now Sam...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 02, 2022, 12:10:50 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 01, 2022, 10:11:05 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 01, 2022, 08:22:02 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 01, 2022, 02:27:23 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 30, 2022, 09:55:08 PM
Rostrevor in the final and hopefully their seaside neighbours follow suit at the weekend. Could be a fantastic finals weekend for two neighbouring friends  who haven't had much to shout about in a long time.

Brilliant stuff. Always love to see a senior club reach an intermediate final.
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Relying on yis now Sam...
Sort of lost now! Are we an Intermediate,2nd Div or a Senior Club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 02, 2022, 11:51:22 AM
An East Down final for me tonight, Warrenpoint will have used too much energy on Monday and a wounded Kilcoo will hammer the Bridge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 02, 2022, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 02, 2022, 12:10:50 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 01, 2022, 10:11:05 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 01, 2022, 08:22:02 AM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 01, 2022, 02:27:23 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on September 30, 2022, 09:55:08 PM
Rostrevor in the final and hopefully their seaside neighbours follow suit at the weekend. Could be a fantastic finals weekend for two neighbouring friends  who haven't had much to shout about in a long time.

Brilliant stuff. Always love to see a senior club reach an intermediate final.
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Relying on yis now Sam...
Sort of lost now! Are we an Intermediate,2nd Div or a Senior Club?

Don't be obtuse Sam. It's unbecoming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 02, 2022, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: DanTheMan12 on October 01, 2022, 07:11:30 PM
Back from johns saval game, few Johnnies need worry more about the fundamentals of the game rather than who looks more like a highlighter.
This requires an explanation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 02, 2022, 02:40:50 PM
Quote from: befair on October 02, 2022, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: DanTheMan12 on October 01, 2022, 07:11:30 PM
Back from johns saval game, few Johnnies need worry more about the fundamentals of the game rather than who looks more like a highlighter.
This requires an explanation

Probably something to do with wanting to replicate the Romanian World Cup team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 02, 2022, 04:24:28 PM
There's been a whiff of the Tyrone championship about this year's SFC (at least since the rubbish back door nonsense ended anyway ).

Here's hoping for a surprise end winner too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 02, 2022, 05:33:33 PM
As usual, the team that goes first wins the shoot-out. Delighted for wpt; john Boyle was immense, both during the game and in the shoot-out. Wpt keeper a big loss for the final (injured after saving the first pen)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 02, 2022, 05:52:04 PM
Gutted but well done to Warrenpoint.. Don't think we done much wrong to not come out with a place in the final but then again same could be said about CPN. Hearts still going mad after the penalties, some of those Point pens no keeper was getting to them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on October 02, 2022, 05:56:34 PM
Now it's time for 14 men behind the ball for 60 minutes ..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 02, 2022, 07:09:14 PM
What a result. County final again - there will be no mistake this time. Hollo and polie are legends. Worth every penny and still £500 per week cheaper than McAleenan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 02, 2022, 07:17:37 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 02, 2022, 07:09:14 PM
What a result. County final again - there will be no mistake this time. Hollo and polie are legends. Worth every penny and still £500 per week cheaper than McAleenan.

Fair play. Well done. Got to feel for island. Nothing between the teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 02, 2022, 08:54:16 PM
Tedious stuff tonight; you'd wonder why the Bridge even bothered to turn up, as all they did was pass the ball sideways for the whole game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on October 02, 2022, 08:55:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2022, 04:24:28 PM
There's been a whiff of the Tyrone championship about this year's SFC (at least since the rubbish back door nonsense ended anyway ).

Here's hoping for a surprise end winner too.

In what way ? It feels like another procession
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 02, 2022, 09:03:59 PM
Not joking I think I could train an outfit to score more than 4 points in a game...honestly!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 02, 2022, 09:04:49 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on October 02, 2022, 08:55:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2022, 04:24:28 PM
There's been a whiff of the Tyrone championship about this year's SFC (at least since the rubbish back door nonsense ended anyway ).

Here's hoping for a surprise end winner too.

In what way ? It feels like another procession

Penalty kicks to stay in a championship ain't no procession.

It's been a good championship.

Tonight's game was shite, no doubt. But what to do? Try to take Kilcoo to a coin toss and they always call the right side. Clonduff's near win means we will all keep trying it for another year or two at least. Sooner or later one of the better sides will unearth a superstar and it'll change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 02, 2022, 09:08:54 PM
Mayobridge are probably out the guts of 60k with that mgt team to serve up that muck. I'm sure Mickey Linden and Tom O'Hare are delighted!! Ffs have a go at it and if you're beat so be it. Played totally into the hands of Kilcoo and the neutrals were served up a bore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 02, 2022, 09:16:09 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 02, 2022, 07:17:37 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 02, 2022, 07:09:14 PM
What a result. County final again - there will be no mistake this time. Hollo and polie are legends. Worth every penny and still £500 per week cheaper than McAleenan.

Fair play. Well done. Got to feel for island. Nothing between the teams.
Totally agree. I feel sorry for Loughinisland. Nothing between the teams on the night. But delighted for CPN. What can you say about John Boyle ? 5 perfect pens (last 2 matches)  and a pen save !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on October 02, 2022, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: urbangael on October 02, 2022, 09:08:54 PM
Mayobridge are probably out the guts of 60k with that mgt team to serve up that muck. I'm sure Mickey Linden and Tom O'Hare are delighted!! Ffs have a go at it and if you're beat so be it. Played totally into the hands of Kilcoo and the neutrals were served up a bore.

Imagine having the belief that you could hold onto the ball long enough to keep Kilcoo at bay. Probably the worst attempt by a team to reach a final in any sport that I have ever seen. Dreadful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 02, 2022, 10:20:49 PM
Will Poacher get to stay? Clarke gone to the county - will they want another season of that muck though?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on October 02, 2022, 10:46:23 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2022, 09:04:49 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on October 02, 2022, 08:55:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2022, 04:24:28 PM
There's been a whiff of the Tyrone championship about this year's SFC (at least since the rubbish back door nonsense ended anyway ).

Here's hoping for a surprise end winner too.

In what way ? It feels like another procession


Penalty kicks to stay in a championship ain't no procession.

It's been a good championship.

Tonight's game was shite, no doubt. But what to do? Try to take Kilcoo to a coin toss and they always call the right side. Clonduff's near win means we will all keep trying it for another year or two at least. Sooner or later one of the better sides will unearth a superstar and it'll change.

Depends what their target is at the start of the year .If it's to Scrape through Down to peak at ulster and all Ireland then I'd say they are right on track . It's been a dire championship to watch , teams playing not to lose instead of trying to win . Trying to beat kilcoo at the game they are the masters off .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 02, 2022, 11:43:20 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on October 02, 2022, 10:46:23 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2022, 09:04:49 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on October 02, 2022, 08:55:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 02, 2022, 04:24:28 PM
There's been a whiff of the Tyrone championship about this year's SFC (at least since the rubbish back door nonsense ended anyway ).

Here's hoping for a surprise end winner too.

In what way ? It feels like another procession


Penalty kicks to stay in a championship ain't no procession.

It's been a good championship.

Tonight's game was shite, no doubt. But what to do? Try to take Kilcoo to a coin toss and they always call the right side. Clonduff's near win means we will all keep trying it for another year or two at least. Sooner or later one of the better sides will unearth a superstar and it'll change.

Depends what their target is at the start of the year .If it's to Scrape through Down to peak at ulster and all Ireland then I'd say they are right on track . It's been a dire championship to watch , teams playing not to lose instead of trying to win . Trying to beat kilcoo at the game they are the masters off .

This is the conundrum.

One year ago at this stage I was distraught at my own club for the same thing. But let's be honest, it's been the best part of a generation since any team in Down has found an effective way of curbing Kilcoo's efficient, intelligent and destructive way of playing ball.

At this point I think the only answer is a superstar forward. A Clifford, a Walsh, an O'Neill. Someone who makes coin tosses in your favour; someone who makes you believe a coin toss isn't necessary. Closest players to that in Down are Kerr and Beatty. But we (as in anyone but Kilcoo lol) need something higher again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on October 02, 2022, 11:46:16 PM
I have never seen a team with the know how to win like  Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on October 03, 2022, 08:00:26 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on October 02, 2022, 11:46:16 PM
I have never seen a team with the know how to win like  Kilcoo.
Did you never watch Crossmaglen 1996-2015?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 03, 2022, 08:21:28 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on October 02, 2022, 11:46:16 PM
I have never seen a team with the know how to win like  Kilcoo.

Know how is exactly right.
Obviously they have a lot of talent & athleticism but they also have that intelligence  to think their way through a game.
They always do just enough to win.
That's not luck. It's know how. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 03, 2022, 08:51:11 AM
CPN have a big week ahead for getting the goalkeeper and full back assessed if they can play in final. Be a real shame if they were to miss out, both have done well this year.
Not sure I'm looking forward to any final, can see them all being disappointing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 08:57:55 AM
The puke keep ball football needs to stop and I do not know how the GAA will stop this, the game is boring and it's not just in our own county but played all over tee country. We have been lucky that we have had penalties on 3 occasions in the championship as it added some entertainment. Kilcoo will take the Point easily, especially with their injuries and I can only see Glen Maghera beating them in Ulster, St Eunans as a dark horse. Rostrevor should have too much for Saval and Tecconaught will take Dromara.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on October 03, 2022, 11:19:33 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

No, the man only can play one way, has never won anything at club football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 03, 2022, 11:27:35 AM
Loughinisland midfielder, think 9, caught some great ball yesterday. Surely worth a look for county team as midfield has been a weak spot? John Boyle was fabulous throughout, maybe benefitted from a couple of weeks game time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

Every coach in Down and Ulster are playing this way, name a club in Down that plays attractive football because I can't.

Its not just Steven Paochers fault, the GAA need to change the rules.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 03, 2022, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

Every coach in Down and Ulster are playing this way, name a club in Down that plays attractive football because I can't.

Its not just Steven Paochers fault, the GAA need to change the rules.

Out of curiosity, what teams in senior football would you support or watch most often?
I'm assuming Downpatrick & / or Loughinisland as they are nearest to you if you are in Ballykinlar?

Do they not both play traditional football with no sweeper or mass defence?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 03, 2022, 12:42:01 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

In a weekend where every team held onto the ball for minutes at a time, is it really fair to suggest that one coach is a problem?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 03, 2022, 12:45:45 PM
As long as the rules continue to incentivise 15-men-behind-the-ball defensive football, it's not any particular coaches fault.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 03, 2022, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

Every coach in Down and Ulster are playing this way, name a club in Down that plays attractive football because I can't.

Its not just Steven Paochers fault, the GAA need to change the rules.

Out of curiosity, what teams in senior football would you support or watch most often?
I'm assuming Downpatrick & / or Loughinisland as they are nearest to you if you are in Ballykinlar?

Do they not both play traditional football with no sweeper or mass defence?

Did you watch Loughinisland v Warrenpoint yesterday, 15 men behind the ball for both teams and keep ball, RGU played this way all year as well. McCorry, Gilligan, Mulholland, McBride, its all over Down and throughout Ireland, we were lucky with the penalties in the championship but the spectacles have been poor overall. Mayobridge were always going to struggle without Quinn and against the all Ireland champs it was always going to be like that, when he returns they will be better. Trust me Down seniors will be playing the same way next year so get used to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 03, 2022, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 03, 2022, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

Every coach in Down and Ulster are playing this way, name a club in Down that plays attractive football because I can't.

Its not just Steven Paochers fault, the GAA need to change the rules.

Out of curiosity, what teams in senior football would you support or watch most often?
I'm assuming Downpatrick & / or Loughinisland as they are nearest to you if you are in Ballykinlar?

Do they not both play traditional football with no sweeper or mass defence?

Did you watch Loughinisland v Warrenpoint yesterday, 15 men behind the ball for both teams and keep ball, RGU played this way all year as well. McCorry, Gilligan, Mulholland, McBride, its all over Down and throughout Ireland, we were lucky with the penalties in the championship but the spectacles have been poor overall. Mayobridge were always going to struggle without Quinn and against the all Ireland champs it was always going to be like that, when he returns they will be better. Trust me Down seniors will be playing the same way next year so get used to it.

Tell me you don't watch football without telling me you don't watch football.. We've not played with a sweeper all year, only time teams played 15 behind the ball was in extra time in the game yesterday. Dan was up on his on with Rory, Stefan or Oisin rotating in around him in the half forward/full forward area and Decky McClements dropping into midfield.

If it was 15 men behind the ball Point shouldn't have had over 15 wides never mind 15 shots. Again avoids question about his "Club"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yellowcard on October 03, 2022, 02:34:17 PM
Criticising Poacher for not winning anything is a bit like criticising Sean Dyche or Big Sam for not winning the League. He hasn't exactly managed any top teams and every other manager in Down is a failure if that is your barometer for success.

If he was given the likes of the Burren job then the criticism might be warranted as they have a conveyor belt of talent but don't seem to know how to use it properly. I think Poacher would be the ideal man for the Burren job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 03, 2022, 02:45:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 03, 2022, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 03, 2022, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

Every coach in Down and Ulster are playing this way, name a club in Down that plays attractive football because I can't.

Its not just Steven Paochers fault, the GAA need to change the rules.

Out of curiosity, what teams in senior football would you support or watch most often?
I'm assuming Downpatrick & / or Loughinisland as they are nearest to you if you are in Ballykinlar?

Do they not both play traditional football with no sweeper or mass defence?

Did you watch Loughinisland v Warrenpoint yesterday, 15 men behind the ball for both teams and keep ball, RGU played this way all year as well. McCorry, Gilligan, Mulholland, McBride, its all over Down and throughout Ireland, we were lucky with the penalties in the championship but the spectacles have been poor overall. Mayobridge were always going to struggle without Quinn and against the all Ireland champs it was always going to be like that, when he returns they will be better. Trust me Down seniors will be playing the same way next year so get used to it.

Tell me you don't watch football without telling me you don't watch football.. We've not played with a sweeper all year, only time teams played 15 behind the ball was in extra time in the game yesterday. Dan was up on his on with Rory, Stefan or Oisin rotating in around him in the half forward/full forward area and Decky McClements dropping into midfield.

If it was 15 men behind the ball Point shouldn't have had over 15 wides never mind 15 shots. Again avoids question about his "Club"

The guy is a complete spoofer.
Just repeats whatever drivel he hears on TV, in the media or from whichever lunatics he runs into in chip shops & cafes.

Full of opinions but none of them backed up with any substance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 03, 2022, 02:51:07 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 03, 2022, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

Every coach in Down and Ulster are playing this way, name a club in Down that plays attractive football because I can't.

Its not just Steven Paochers fault, the GAA need to change the rules.

Out of curiosity, what teams in senior football would you support or watch most often?
I'm assuming Downpatrick & / or Loughinisland as they are nearest to you if you are in Ballykinlar?

Do they not both play traditional football with no sweeper or mass defence?

Did you watch Loughinisland v Warrenpoint yesterday, 15 men behind the ball for both teams and keep ball, RGU played this way all year as well. McCorry, Gilligan, Mulholland, McBride, its all over Down and throughout Ireland, we were lucky with the penalties in the championship but the spectacles have been poor overall. Mayobridge were always going to struggle without Quinn and against the all Ireland champs it was always going to be like that, when he returns they will be better. Trust me Down seniors will be playing the same way next year so get used to it.
Have Down seniors not been trying to play this way for last 10 years. Only problem is they haven't been able to defend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 03, 2022, 03:08:15 PM
Managers cut their cloth to suit. They set their team up the way they see fit to best get results. They look at the talent at their disposal and come up with a way to play that will hide or diminish their weaknesses and try to accentuate their strengths. They arent interested in entertainment or the fans behind the wire.

If a Manager thinks that by trying to starve the opposition of possession and turning the game to shite, living off placed-kick scores and not taking risks, in order to try stay in the game til the death, then thats his prerogative. But for the love of god can people not see that any gabshite of a manager can set a team up not to lose. You may keep the score down, you may restrict the opposition or frustrate them but when it comes down to it, you still have to have a go at the other team, go up the other end of the pitch and score.

last night the display from Mayobridge took this to a new level id never seen before. Never thought id see them buy into the nonsense but seems they have. How can those boys come off the field last night thinking they actually really went and had a real good cut at Kilcoo, trying absolutely everything they could to win that game. It was beyond woeful. Conleth O'Hare standing in at full forward all night watching his goalkeeper and co play crab football back and forth across the pitch. Its ridiculous. And thats a club that produced some brilliant footballers down through the years, now reduced to robots with football coached out of them and replaced with a bastardised version of basketball.

Some might laud this as modern day football, smart coaching, the only way to go against Kilcoo etc but i think it needs to be called out for what it really is.

And similarly, the previous week we had a Burren team laden with quality, pace and talent play some form of conservative shite too where they wouldnt actually have a go at beating a Point team who's best days are behind them. They got what they deserved for being overly defensive too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 03, 2022, 03:46:06 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 03, 2022, 03:08:15 PM
Managers cut their cloth to suit. They set their team up the way they see fit to best get results. They look at the talent at their disposal and come up with a way to play that will hide or diminish their weaknesses and try to accentuate their strengths. They arent interested in entertainment or the fans behind the wire.

If a Manager thinks that by trying to starve the opposition of possession and turning the game to shite, living off placed-kick scores and not taking risks, in order to try stay in the game til the death, then thats his prerogative. But for the love of god can people not see that any gabshite of a manager can set a team up not to lose. You may keep the score down, you may restrict the opposition or frustrate them but when it comes down to it, you still have to have a go at the other team, go up the other end of the pitch and score.

last night the display from Mayobridge took this to a new level id never seen before. Never thought id see them buy into the nonsense but seems they have. How can those boys come off the field last night thinking they actually really went and had a real good cut at Kilcoo, trying absolutely everything they could to win that game. It was beyond woeful. Conleth O'Hare standing in at full forward all night watching his goalkeeper and co play crab football back and forth across the pitch. Its ridiculous. And thats a club that produced some brilliant footballers down through the years, now reduced to robots with football coached out of them and replaced with a bastardised version of basketball.

Some might laud this as modern day football, smart coaching, the only way to go against Kilcoo etc but i think it needs to be called out for what it really is.

And similarly, the previous week we had a Burren team laden with quality, pace and talent play some form of conservative shite too where they wouldnt actually have a go at beating a Point team who's best days are behind them. They got what they deserved for being overly defensive too.
Brick is correct; also notable how many crucial score over the weekend came from high balls into the square (albeit sometimes point attempts dropping short). If Loughinisland had kept Gordon at full-forward and gave a few direct balls in, they might well be in the final. Instead they took him outfield, to pass the wall sideways; lack of courage gets it's due reward
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on October 03, 2022, 03:48:56 PM
 Burren and Mayobridge are getting some flack on here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on October 03, 2022, 03:59:49 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 03, 2022, 02:34:17 PM
Criticising Poacher for not winning anything is a bit like criticising Sean Dyche or Big Sam for not winning the League. He hasn't exactly managed any top teams and every other manager in Down is a failure if that is your barometer for success.

If he was given the likes of the Burren job then the criticism might be warranted as they have a conveyor belt of talent but don't seem to know how to use it properly. I think Poacher would be the ideal man for the Burren job.

Poacher is manager of Mayobridge, one of the biggest teams in Down, just because he isn't with Burren or Kilcoo, doesn't give the excuse to say he isn't at a big club. His style of football and behaviour on sidelines is disgusting, if he had any wit about him, he would at least use the last 15-20mins to try and win the game, no point getting to the semi-final to say you done well not to get hammered by Kilcoo, you do all you can to win, that is what the players train for, to say you had a go, rather than to regret it all winter.

Alot of teams in Down in the same boat, players are trained to believe that possession is key and losing it will only cost you to get taken off if ball given away, so players stop doing what they were trained to do as kids, to go out, enjoy the game with a smile on your face and use the skills you have to help the team. All players now have the same skill set, pace, power, athleticism and discipline in possession.

The Micky Lindens of this world playing the modern game under these managers would have been forced to do the same crap, and their natural God given talent would not have been highlighted as much.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 03, 2022, 04:52:44 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on October 03, 2022, 03:48:56 PM
Burren and Mayobridge are getting some flack on here.

Maybe ive got it wrong and im being unkind to the 2 teams i mentioned; i dont mean to criticise unduly.
Maybe the players didnt execute like they were supposed to and didnt carry out management's gameplan etc. Who knows.
I guess you can only comment and make a judgement based on what you see unfold in front of you as a spectator.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 03, 2022, 05:57:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on October 03, 2022, 02:34:17 PM
Criticising Poacher for not winning anything is a bit like criticising Sean Dyche or Big Sam for not winning the League. He hasn't exactly managed any top teams and every other manager in Down is a failure if that is your barometer for success.

If he was given the likes of the Burren job then the criticism might be warranted as they have a conveyor belt of talent but don't seem to know how to use it properly. I think Poacher would be the ideal man for the Burren job.
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Jesus Mary and Joseph and the wee baby donkey - Poacher in Burren would be fantastic. Would charge plenty of money and sort out their defensive woes - even though their problems are at the other end of the pitch! Please please make it happen. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on October 03, 2022, 07:44:19 PM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 03, 2022, 03:59:49 PM
players are trained to believe that possession is key

???

Possession is key.

If your team don't have the ball, they can't score. If the other team don't have the ball, they can't score.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 03, 2022, 07:46:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

Every coach in Down and Ulster are playing this way, name a club in Down that plays attractive football because I can't.

Its not just Steven Paochers fault, the GAA need to change the rules.

You didn't watch the Cavan semi final on Saturday night then? Goals scored from players actually kicking a football more than 20 metres, in to a full forward to win his battle for possession. It was revolutionary stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 03, 2022, 07:49:35 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on October 03, 2022, 07:44:19 PM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 03, 2022, 03:59:49 PM
players are trained to believe that possession is key

???

Possession is key.

If your team don't have the ball, they can't score. If the other team don't have the ball, they can't score.

And if you don't attack, you don't score. Mayobridge won the throw in against Kilcoo, went sideways for 4 minutes then lost the ball anyway. When a team wins the throw in, the opposition is at it's most vulnerable to a direct ball as there is not yet a defensive blanket in place and it's man on man for a brief period. Take a risk and kick the ball in, instead of sideways crap hoping to win a soft free 30 yards out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 03, 2022, 08:34:44 PM
There are plenty of teams with players of a high enough calibre that they don't have to be passive on the ball. But teams are setting up not to lose, it's a major difference than setting up to win.
County set ups that these have been involved in will have quality to play offensive and transition defence to attack so it is the coaches style.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 03, 2022, 08:52:07 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 03, 2022, 07:46:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

Every coach in Down and Ulster are playing this way, name a club in Down that plays attractive football because I can't.

Its not just Steven Paochers fault, the GAA need to change the rules.

You didn't watch the Cavan semi final on Saturday night then? Goals scored from players actually kicking a football more than 20 metres, in to a full forward to win his battle for possession. It was revolutionary stuff.
Cavan club teams haven't won a lot in ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 03, 2022, 09:46:47 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 03, 2022, 08:52:07 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 03, 2022, 07:46:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

Every coach in Down and Ulster are playing this way, name a club in Down that plays attractive football because I can't.

Its not just Steven Paochers fault, the GAA need to change the rules.

You didn't watch the Cavan semi final on Saturday night then? Goals scored from players actually kicking a football more than 20 metres, in to a full forward to win his battle for possession. It was revolutionary stuff.
Cavan club teams haven't won a lot in ulster.

Very few teams win anything in Ulster, it was great to see two teams trying to actually outscore eachother to get to their county final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 03, 2022, 10:06:12 PM
Yeah it is nice to watch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on October 04, 2022, 07:31:39 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 03, 2022, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 03, 2022, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

Every coach in Down and Ulster are playing this way, name a club in Down that plays attractive football because I can't.

Its not just Steven Paochers fault, the GAA need to change the rules.

Out of curiosity, what teams in senior football would you support or watch most often?
I'm assuming Downpatrick & / or Loughinisland as they are nearest to you if you are in Ballykinlar?

Do they not both play traditional football with no sweeper or mass defence?

Did you watch Loughinisland v Warrenpoint yesterday, 15 men behind the ball for both teams and keep ball, RGU played this way all year as well. McCorry, Gilligan, Mulholland, McBride, its all over Down and throughout Ireland, we were lucky with the penalties in the championship but the spectacles have been poor overall. Mayobridge were always going to struggle without Quinn and against the all Ireland champs it was always going to be like that, when he returns they will be better. Trust me Down seniors will be playing the same way next year so get used to it.

Tell me you don't watch football without telling me you don't watch football.. We've not played with a sweeper all year, only time teams played 15 behind the ball was in extra time in the game yesterday. Dan was up on his on with Rory, Stefan or Oisin rotating in around him in the half forward/full forward area and Decky McClements dropping into midfield.

If it was 15 men behind the ball Point shouldn't have had over 15 wides never mind 15 shots. Again avoids question about his "Club"

You played a static sweeper v Castlewellan in quarter final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 04, 2022, 08:27:44 AM
Quote from: Kong King on October 04, 2022, 07:31:39 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 03, 2022, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 03, 2022, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

Every coach in Down and Ulster are playing this way, name a club in Down that plays attractive football because I can't.

Its not just Steven Paochers fault, the GAA need to change the rules.

Out of curiosity, what teams in senior football would you support or watch most often?
I'm assuming Downpatrick & / or Loughinisland as they are nearest to you if you are in Ballykinlar?

Do they not both play traditional football with no sweeper or mass defence?

Did you watch Loughinisland v Warrenpoint yesterday, 15 men behind the ball for both teams and keep ball, RGU played this way all year as well. McCorry, Gilligan, Mulholland, McBride, its all over Down and throughout Ireland, we were lucky with the penalties in the championship but the spectacles have been poor overall. Mayobridge were always going to struggle without Quinn and against the all Ireland champs it was always going to be like that, when he returns they will be better. Trust me Down seniors will be playing the same way next year so get used to it.

Tell me you don't watch football without telling me you don't watch football.. We've not played with a sweeper all year, only time teams played 15 behind the ball was in extra time in the game yesterday. Dan was up on his on with Rory, Stefan or Oisin rotating in around him in the half forward/full forward area and Decky McClements dropping into midfield.

If it was 15 men behind the ball Point shouldn't have had over 15 wides never mind 15 shots. Again avoids question about his "Club"

You played a static sweeper v Castlewellan in quarter final?

The Town dropped a man back and left us a defender free... that's not a sweeper
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 04, 2022, 08:47:14 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 04, 2022, 08:27:44 AM
Quote from: Kong King on October 04, 2022, 07:31:39 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 03, 2022, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 03, 2022, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

Every coach in Down and Ulster are playing this way, name a club in Down that plays attractive football because I can't.

Its not just Steven Paochers fault, the GAA need to change the rules.

Out of curiosity, what teams in senior football would you support or watch most often?
I'm assuming Downpatrick & / or Loughinisland as they are nearest to you if you are in Ballykinlar?

Do they not both play traditional football with no sweeper or mass defence?

Did you watch Loughinisland v Warrenpoint yesterday, 15 men behind the ball for both teams and keep ball, RGU played this way all year as well. McCorry, Gilligan, Mulholland, McBride, its all over Down and throughout Ireland, we were lucky with the penalties in the championship but the spectacles have been poor overall. Mayobridge were always going to struggle without Quinn and against the all Ireland champs it was always going to be like that, when he returns they will be better. Trust me Down seniors will be playing the same way next year so get used to it.

Tell me you don't watch football without telling me you don't watch football.. We've not played with a sweeper all year, only time teams played 15 behind the ball was in extra time in the game yesterday. Dan was up on his on with Rory, Stefan or Oisin rotating in around him in the half forward/full forward area and Decky McClements dropping into midfield.

If it was 15 men behind the ball Point shouldn't have had over 15 wides never mind 15 shots. Again avoids question about his "Club"

You played a static sweeper v Castlewellan in quarter final?

The Town dropped a man back and left us a defender free... that's not a sweeper

Deluded that Loughinisland do not play defensive-deluded
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 04, 2022, 08:52:59 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 04, 2022, 08:47:14 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 04, 2022, 08:27:44 AM
Quote from: Kong King on October 04, 2022, 07:31:39 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 03, 2022, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 03, 2022, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

Every coach in Down and Ulster are playing this way, name a club in Down that plays attractive football because I can't.

Its not just Steven Paochers fault, the GAA need to change the rules.

Out of curiosity, what teams in senior football would you support or watch most often?
I'm assuming Downpatrick & / or Loughinisland as they are nearest to you if you are in Ballykinlar?

Do they not both play traditional football with no sweeper or mass defence?

Did you watch Loughinisland v Warrenpoint yesterday, 15 men behind the ball for both teams and keep ball, RGU played this way all year as well. McCorry, Gilligan, Mulholland, McBride, its all over Down and throughout Ireland, we were lucky with the penalties in the championship but the spectacles have been poor overall. Mayobridge were always going to struggle without Quinn and against the all Ireland champs it was always going to be like that, when he returns they will be better. Trust me Down seniors will be playing the same way next year so get used to it.

Tell me you don't watch football without telling me you don't watch football.. We've not played with a sweeper all year, only time teams played 15 behind the ball was in extra time in the game yesterday. Dan was up on his on with Rory, Stefan or Oisin rotating in around him in the half forward/full forward area and Decky McClements dropping into midfield.

If it was 15 men behind the ball Point shouldn't have had over 15 wides never mind 15 shots. Again avoids question about his "Club"

You played a static sweeper v Castlewellan in quarter final?

The Town dropped a man back and left us a defender free... that's not a sweeper

Deluded that Loughinisland do not play defensive-deluded

Defensive minded but most scores in Division 1? Know f**k all about f**k all so you do truth, focus on your own "club", might get somewhere if you weren't a full time  keyboard warrior
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 04, 2022, 09:26:58 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 04, 2022, 08:27:44 AM
Quote from: Kong King on October 04, 2022, 07:31:39 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 03, 2022, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 03, 2022, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

Every coach in Down and Ulster are playing this way, name a club in Down that plays attractive football because I can't.

Its not just Steven Paochers fault, the GAA need to change the rules.

Out of curiosity, what teams in senior football would you support or watch most often?
I'm assuming Downpatrick & / or Loughinisland as they are nearest to you if you are in Ballykinlar?

Do they not both play traditional football with no sweeper or mass defence?

Did you watch Loughinisland v Warrenpoint yesterday, 15 men behind the ball for both teams and keep ball, RGU played this way all year as well. McCorry, Gilligan, Mulholland, McBride, its all over Down and throughout Ireland, we were lucky with the penalties in the championship but the spectacles have been poor overall. Mayobridge were always going to struggle without Quinn and against the all Ireland champs it was always going to be like that, when he returns they will be better. Trust me Down seniors will be playing the same way next year so get used to it.

Tell me you don't watch football without telling me you don't watch football.. We've not played with a sweeper all year, only time teams played 15 behind the ball was in extra time in the game yesterday. Dan was up on his on with Rory, Stefan or Oisin rotating in around him in the half forward/full forward area and Decky McClements dropping into midfield.

If it was 15 men behind the ball Point shouldn't have had over 15 wides never mind 15 shots. Again avoids question about his "Club"

You played a static sweeper v Castlewellan in quarter final?

The Town dropped a man back and left us a defender free... that's not a sweeper

Would be great to see teams counter this by just sending the free man out to play an attacking role from the midfield/half forward area. Get a man who can kick long range scores or with the vision/ability to kick the ball in and it would cause a bit of panic in the opposition. The more attack minded team can trust the other defenders to win their individual battles then, like the "good old days...."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on October 04, 2022, 12:07:18 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 04, 2022, 08:52:59 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 04, 2022, 08:47:14 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 04, 2022, 08:27:44 AM
Quote from: Kong King on October 04, 2022, 07:31:39 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 03, 2022, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 01:42:39 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 03, 2022, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 03, 2022, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2022, 10:53:34 AM
Serious question...

If your club had an open management position, would you touch Poacher with a barge pole?

Football is horrendous to watch, and his side-line antics aren't much better.

Every coach in Down and Ulster are playing this way, name a club in Down that plays attractive football because I can't.

Its not just Steven Paochers fault, the GAA need to change the rules.

Out of curiosity, what teams in senior football would you support or watch most often?
I'm assuming Downpatrick & / or Loughinisland as they are nearest to you if you are in Ballykinlar?

Do they not both play traditional football with no sweeper or mass defence?

Did you watch Loughinisland v Warrenpoint yesterday, 15 men behind the ball for both teams and keep ball, RGU played this way all year as well. McCorry, Gilligan, Mulholland, McBride, its all over Down and throughout Ireland, we were lucky with the penalties in the championship but the spectacles have been poor overall. Mayobridge were always going to struggle without Quinn and against the all Ireland champs it was always going to be like that, when he returns they will be better. Trust me Down seniors will be playing the same way next year so get used to it.

Tell me you don't watch football without telling me you don't watch football.. We've not played with a sweeper all year, only time teams played 15 behind the ball was in extra time in the game yesterday. Dan was up on his on with Rory, Stefan or Oisin rotating in around him in the half forward/full forward area and Decky McClements dropping into midfield.

If it was 15 men behind the ball Point shouldn't have had over 15 wides never mind 15 shots. Again avoids question about his "Club"

You played a static sweeper v Castlewellan in quarter final?

The Town dropped a man back and left us a defender free... that's not a sweeper

Deluded that Loughinisland do not play defensive-deluded

Defensive minded but most scores in Division 1? Know f**k all about f**k all so you do truth, focus on your own "club", might get somewhere if you weren't a full time  keyboard warrior

What is your club Mourne Red? Lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 04, 2022, 12:36:30 PM
While there's no doubt at all that Island are an infinitely more positive team since Jody Gormley was replaced, you're being a heavy touch sensitive there MR. Every team in Down football (and most of Ireland) uses long passages of skill-less ball retention as a way of minimising opposition touches, and to assist in physical recovery. Every team in Down plays regular short kick outs with no clear purpose other than to make sure their opponents don't get the ball. Every team in Down has a deficiency (and a lack of trust) in players willing to deliver 50 yards kick passes into space. Loughinisland must have been a pleasure to watch this season after 3 years of Jody's tripe, but spare us your plea.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 04, 2022, 03:09:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 04, 2022, 12:36:30 PM
While there's no doubt at all that Island are an infinitely more positive team since Jody Gormley was replaced, you're being a heavy touch sensitive there MR. Every team in Down football (and most of Ireland) uses long passages of skill-less ball retention as a way of minimising opposition touches, and to assist in physical recovery. Every team in Down plays regular short kick outs with no clear purpose other than to make sure their opponents don't get the ball. Every team in Down has a deficiency (and a lack of trust) in players willing to deliver 50 yards kick passes into space. Loughinisland must have been a pleasure to watch this season after 3 years of Jody's tripe, but spare us your plea.

Brendan Mason was there before Gormley & was fairly successful.
Did he play a more positive brand of football?

He's got Bredagh into Division 1 for first time that I can remember.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on October 04, 2022, 07:04:23 PM
Loughisland were set up defensively against The Point and vice versa, which resulted in it being a shite game.
The Point had nobody upfront capable of taking on his man and aside from your number 14 Loughinisland were the same.

The only way it changes and it will, is a rule change because Today's Players have become robots that lack the flair or audacity to take on a percentage risk that may change a game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 04, 2022, 09:15:56 PM
Quote from: guevara on October 04, 2022, 07:04:23 PM
Loughisland were set up defensively against The Point and vice versa, which resulted in it being a shite game.
The Point had nobody upfront capable of taking on his man and aside from your number 14 Loughinisland were the same.

The only way it changes and it will, is a rule change because Today's Players have become robots that lack the flair or audacity to take on a percentage risk that may change a game.

Have to say young Savage and the two Masons are generally willing and able when it comes to taking a man on to make room for a score. Savage has huge potential. It may have been "tactical" that they weren't so willing to do so against CPN, again it's this fear that all teams seem to have when it comes to taking risks in the championship. Anyway I doubt CPN can afford to play with the same fear Mayobridge did against Kilcoo, otherwise they may stay at home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 04, 2022, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: guevara on October 04, 2022, 07:04:23 PM
Loughisland were set up defensively against The Point and vice versa, which resulted in it being a shite game.
The Point had nobody upfront capable of taking on his man and aside from your number 14 Loughinisland were the same.

The only way it changes and it will, is a rule change because Today's Players have become robots that lack the flair or audacity to take on a percentage risk that may change a game.

I don't think it will take a rule change - just a manager somewhere to set their team out to play. I hear the county minor trials are up and running.  20 chopped from trials already which is very unfair. If ur a lad playing in the U17 C championship and are knocked out in round 2 - that was July. How are you expected to have any level of fitness 2/3 months later to compete with lads who played in the A championship at semi final or final stage. Surely making contact with schools to see what players are worth a look at would serve the purpose better. College, Abbey, St Malachys Castlewellan, St Joes, Red High, Banbridge, Acquines, all have teachers/coaches who actually care about the GAA ethos in their school and could provide Benny/Darren with information they require.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 04, 2022, 10:23:31 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 04, 2022, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: guevara on October 04, 2022, 07:04:23 PM
Loughisland were set up defensively against The Point and vice versa, which resulted in it being a shite game.
The Point had nobody upfront capable of taking on his man and aside from your number 14 Loughinisland were the same.

The only way it changes and it will, is a rule change because Today's Players have become robots that lack the flair or audacity to take on a percentage risk that may change a game.

I don't think it will take a rule change - just a manager somewhere to set their team out to play. I hear the county minor trials are up and running.  20 chopped from trials already which is very unfair. If ur a lad playing in the U17 C championship and are knocked out in round 2 - that was July. How are you expected to have any level of fitness 2/3 months later to compete with lads who played in the A championship at semi final or final stage. Surely making contact with schools to see what players are worth a look at would serve the purpose better. College, Abbey, St Malachys Castlewellan, St Joes, Red High, Banbridge, Acquines, all have teachers/coaches who actually care about the GAA ethos in their school and could provide Benny/Darren with information they require.

If you honestly believe that Benny's first step was to head into trials, ahead of chats and recommendations from the various schools and development squad coaches, then you're working from an agenda.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 04, 2022, 10:29:45 PM
Tell me this. Do you reckon lumping the ball in from 60 yards repeatedly a la 'the great Down v Derry game' (DJ Kane main culprit) is a better way of playing football than how it is played now? Because I tell you what, I watched that game recently and it wasn't exactly pretty on the eye.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 04, 2022, 10:50:51 PM

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If you honestly believe that Benny's first step was to head into trials, ahead of chats and recommendations from the various schools and development squad coaches, then you're working from an agenda.
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He was the development squad manager of this group ffs!! Anyone who was playing minor last year that is still underage this year would have been working under his guidance. I would hope he speaks to schools as a lot of lads don't play development squad football and therefore get overlooked. Lads develop at different stages.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 04, 2022, 11:33:13 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 04, 2022, 10:50:51 PM


If you honestly believe that Benny's first step was to head into trials, ahead of chats and recommendations from the various schools and development squad coaches, then you're working from an agenda.
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He was the development squad manager of this group ffs!! Anyone who was playing minor last year that is still underage this year would have been working under his guidance. I would hope he speaks to schools as a lot of lads don't play development squad football and therefore get overlooked. Lads develop at different stages.
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So he knows the age group. He knows all the relevant coaches at the age group. And as he's Benny Coulter, he can pick up the phone to any football man in the county and they'll talk to him for days.  Yet you've still found a way to come rowing in from the angle that he has started this process with blind trials.

Jesus Christ, give the man a little respect.

——

As an aside. I suppose there is always a possibility for a youngster to arrive who goes to a non-GAA school, is from a small parish and therefore C football, shows little or no prowess in either C football or other field sports thereby ensuring he is completely under the radar, meanwhile has the raw athleticism and coordination needed for county football, but whose fitness levels this October at 16 years old means he can't shine in a trial match.

But let's be honest. It ain't happening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 05, 2022, 12:20:26 AM
Johhny why do a lot of lads not play development squad football?
Genuine question
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 05, 2022, 08:17:47 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 04, 2022, 10:29:45 PM
Tell me this. Do you reckon lumping the ball in from 60 yards repeatedly a la 'the great Down v Derry game' (DJ Kane main culprit) is a better way of playing football than how it is played now? Because I tell you what, I watched that game recently and it wasn't exactly pretty on the eye.

No definitely not, but there is a happy medium where a diagonal ball in to a forward who knows when to make decent runs should surely be an option. Players these days are coached from younger ages, and should have the ability to aim a kick pass (even 30/40 yards) in to a forward who has learned when and where to make the runs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 05, 2022, 08:50:24 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 04, 2022, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: guevara on October 04, 2022, 07:04:23 PM
Loughisland were set up defensively against The Point and vice versa, which resulted in it being a shite game.
The Point had nobody upfront capable of taking on his man and aside from your number 14 Loughinisland were the same.

The only way it changes and it will, is a rule change because Today's Players have become robots that lack the flair or audacity to take on a percentage risk that may change a game.

I don't think it will take a rule change - just a manager somewhere to set their team out to play. I hear the county minor trials are up and running.  20 chopped from trials already which is very unfair. If ur a lad playing in the U17 C championship and are knocked out in round 2 - that was July. How are you expected to have any level of fitness 2/3 months later to compete with lads who played in the A championship at semi final or final stage. Surely making contact with schools to see what players are worth a look at would serve the purpose better. College, Abbey, St Malachys Castlewellan, St Joes, Red High, Banbridge, Acquines, all have teachers/coaches who actually care about the GAA ethos in their school and could provide Benny/Darren with information they require.

If you're an U17C football player who last played in July and had county minors aspirations, why didn't you try to maintain your level of fitness for two or three months when you knew trials were coming up?
I'm going to venture a bet that county football and county lifestyle  aren't for you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 05, 2022, 08:59:42 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 05, 2022, 08:50:24 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 04, 2022, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: guevara on October 04, 2022, 07:04:23 PM
Loughisland were set up defensively against The Point and vice versa, which resulted in it being a shite game.
The Point had nobody upfront capable of taking on his man and aside from your number 14 Loughinisland were the same.

The only way it changes and it will, is a rule change because Today's Players have become robots that lack the flair or audacity to take on a percentage risk that may change a game.

I don't think it will take a rule change - just a manager somewhere to set their team out to play. I hear the county minor trials are up and running.  20 chopped from trials already which is very unfair. If ur a lad playing in the U17 C championship and are knocked out in round 2 - that was July. How are you expected to have any level of fitness 2/3 months later to compete with lads who played in the A championship at semi final or final stage. Surely making contact with schools to see what players are worth a look at would serve the purpose better. College, Abbey, St Malachys Castlewellan, St Joes, Red High, Banbridge, Acquines, all have teachers/coaches who actually care about the GAA ethos in their school and could provide Benny/Darren with information they require.

If you're an U17C football player who last played in July and had county minors aspirations, why didn't you try to maintain your level of fitness for two or three months when you knew trials were coming up?
I'm going to venture a bet that county football and county lifestyle  aren't for you.

You could look at it like that, or you could have more sense and realise that under 17's have many other things going on in life and the likelihood of them maintaining playing levels of fitness for 3 months without actually having games is a fairly ridiculous thought to have. Bearing in mind seasoned senior footballers take a few games to regain sharpness after a new season starts, you expect under 17's to hit the ground running in a match environment after a 3 month break?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 05, 2022, 09:29:43 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 04, 2022, 10:29:45 PM
Tell me this. Do you reckon lumping the ball in from 60 yards repeatedly a la 'the great Down v Derry game' (DJ Kane main culprit) is a better way of playing football than how it is played now? Because I tell you what, I watched that game recently and it wasn't exactly pretty on the eye.

Who suggested lumping the ball in from 60 yards was a better way to play.
Lets be honest, football is shite nowadays for a variety of reasons and a huge responsibility lies at the feet of ego-driven coaches/managers and those that appoint them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on October 05, 2022, 10:12:03 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 04, 2022, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: guevara on October 04, 2022, 07:04:23 PM
Loughisland were set up defensively against The Point and vice versa, which resulted in it being a shite game.
The Point had nobody upfront capable of taking on his man and aside from your number 14 Loughinisland were the same.

The only way it changes and it will, is a rule change because Today's Players have become robots that lack the flair or audacity to take on a percentage risk that may change a game.

I don't think it will take a rule change - just a manager somewhere to set their team out to play. I hear the county minor trials are up and running.  20 chopped from trials already which is very unfair. If ur a lad playing in the U17 C championship and are knocked out in round 2 - that was July. How are you expected to have any level of fitness 2/3 months later to compete with lads who played in the A championship at semi final or final stage. Surely making contact with schools to see what players are worth a look at would serve the purpose better. College, Abbey, St Malachys Castlewellan, St Joes, Red High, Banbridge, Acquines, all have teachers/coaches who actually care about the GAA ethos in their school and could provide Benny/Darren with information they require.
Your boy one of the 20 chopped?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 05, 2022, 10:18:49 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 05, 2022, 09:29:43 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 04, 2022, 10:29:45 PM
Tell me this. Do you reckon lumping the ball in from 60 yards repeatedly a la 'the great Down v Derry game' (DJ Kane main culprit) is a better way of playing football than how it is played now? Because I tell you what, I watched that game recently and it wasn't exactly pretty on the eye.

Who suggested lumping the ball in from 60 yards was a better way to play.
Lets be honest, football is shite nowadays for a variety of reasons and a huge responsibility lies at the feet of ego-driven coaches/managers and those that appoint them.

A huge responsibilty lies with the suits in Croke park-the rule makers

Bring in rules like kicking it out past the 45 so no short kickouts, no pass back to the keeper, his job is to stop goals and kick the ball out, and once you go past your half way line you cannot play the ball back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on October 05, 2022, 10:32:28 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 05, 2022, 10:18:49 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 05, 2022, 09:29:43 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 04, 2022, 10:29:45 PM
Tell me this. Do you reckon lumping the ball in from 60 yards repeatedly a la 'the great Down v Derry game' (DJ Kane main culprit) is a better way of playing football than how it is played now? Because I tell you what, I watched that game recently and it wasn't exactly pretty on the eye.

Who suggested lumping the ball in from 60 yards was a better way to play.
Lets be honest, football is shite nowadays for a variety of reasons and a huge responsibility lies at the feet of ego-driven coaches/managers and those that appoint them.

A huge responsibilty lies with the suits in Croke park-the rule makers

Bring in rules like kicking it out past the 45 so no short kickouts, no pass back to the keeper, his job is to stop goals and kick the ball out, and once you go past your half way line you cannot play the ball back.
I agree with an earlier post stating that perhaps nostalgia gets in the way when viewing football matches in the past. Looking at scores in match programmes down through the 70s & 80s many matches never reached double digit scores.
If you're going to bring in rules that make it illegal to come back across your half way line there has to be an incentive, like allowing hand passed goals again.
Why did they do away with hand pass goals anyhow?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 05, 2022, 10:45:01 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 05, 2022, 10:18:49 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 05, 2022, 09:29:43 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 04, 2022, 10:29:45 PM
Tell me this. Do you reckon lumping the ball in from 60 yards repeatedly a la 'the great Down v Derry game' (DJ Kane main culprit) is a better way of playing football than how it is played now? Because I tell you what, I watched that game recently and it wasn't exactly pretty on the eye.

Who suggested lumping the ball in from 60 yards was a better way to play.
Lets be honest, football is shite nowadays for a variety of reasons and a huge responsibility lies at the feet of ego-driven coaches/managers and those that appoint them.

A huge responsibilty lies with the suits in Croke park-the rule makers

Bring in rules like kicking it out past the 45 so no short kickouts, no pass back to the keeper, his job is to stop goals and kick the ball out, and once you go past your half way line you cannot play the ball back.

These 'suits' get into these positions by being club volunteers, club committee members, county board delegates, county board officers, Ulster & Central delegates, ....

There is a pathway open to any club member to these positions.
It's not like the English FA or the IRFU with its old boys network!

Get involved with your club & you can be part of the process instead of preaching & criticising. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 05, 2022, 10:47:49 AM
Quote from: Oglach on October 05, 2022, 10:32:28 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 05, 2022, 10:18:49 AM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 05, 2022, 09:29:43 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 04, 2022, 10:29:45 PM
Tell me this. Do you reckon lumping the ball in from 60 yards repeatedly a la 'the great Down v Derry game' (DJ Kane main culprit) is a better way of playing football than how it is played now? Because I tell you what, I watched that game recently and it wasn't exactly pretty on the eye.

Who suggested lumping the ball in from 60 yards was a better way to play.
Lets be honest, football is shite nowadays for a variety of reasons and a huge responsibility lies at the feet of ego-driven coaches/managers and those that appoint them.

A huge responsibilty lies with the suits in Croke park-the rule makers

Bring in rules like kicking it out past the 45 so no short kickouts, no pass back to the keeper, his job is to stop goals and kick the ball out, and once you go past your half way line you cannot play the ball back.
I agree with an earlier post stating that perhaps nostalgia gets in the way when viewing football matches in the past. Looking at scores in match programmes down through the 70s & 80s many matches never reached double digit scores.
If you're going to bring in rules that make it illegal to come back across your half way line there has to be an incentive, like allowing hand passed goals again.
Why did they do away with hand pass goals anyhow?

It looks like nothing. No skill involved at all. The last thing you want to encourage at the minute is less kicking. I'd ban palming the ball in the net too, most dunk it so it's basically a throw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lucifer on October 05, 2022, 11:43:35 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 04, 2022, 12:36:30 PM
While there's no doubt at all that Island are an infinitely more positive team since Jody Gormley was replaced, you're being a heavy touch sensitive there MR. Every team in Down football (and most of Ireland) uses long passages of skill-less ball retention as a way of minimising opposition touches, and to assist in physical recovery. Every team in Down plays regular short kick outs with no clear purpose other than to make sure their opponents don't get the ball. Every team in Down has a deficiency (and a lack of trust) in players willing to deliver 50 yards kick passes into space. Loughinisland must have been a pleasure to watch this season after 3 years of Jody's tripe, but spare us your plea.

I'm not a Down man, but this really resonated with me.  Most of the football I am watching is in Fermanagh, but I've watched football in a variety of counties over the years.  So much of the football is formulaic yet lacking any real purpose.  Players are not being developed to be intuitive or make the correct decisions, they're being developed to "not give it away" and follow the "process."  There is a real lack of trust in coaching currently, we are overanalysing, especially at club level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 05, 2022, 01:40:06 PM
Kickout ruling wouldn't work in that guise, but hat happens when the wind prevents ball travelling over 45m or quite simply the kicker isn't fit to. Can't play ball backwards of midfield, not sure how that will achieve anything as team in possession just won't cross it u til gaps appear. A shot clock? Good luck asking referees to do that as well as manage everything else. I'm sure all options where expired and will keep being explored. The advance mark was a potential great idea if the rewards dictated it, but the person on the mark isn't maybe the best kicker. If that was tweaked to be a free that anyone could hit then that may improve the advance mark.

I think the game has to be coached and we need more coaches willing to push up on the sweeper, kick quick possession into spaces. Coach forwards back to playing as freely as early noughties. Naive maybe. Optimistic yes definitely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 05, 2022, 02:34:01 PM
on kickouts:
I read an article recently saying that simply moving the kickout back into the small square would mean kicks would be airbourne for longer and this may encourage teams to press up to counteract shorter kicks as the chances of an interception are greatly increased.  Teams may then be encouraged to go longer as the risk/reward of a short kickout may no longer be worth it.  I think it said something like kicking from the square would change a kickout to a corner back on the sideline outside the 21 from c40m to c60m.  Not sure if I still have the article.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 05, 2022, 04:08:19 PM

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  Your boy one of the 20 chopped?
[/quote]

Nope - eldest is 14.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 05, 2022, 04:12:06 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 05, 2022, 12:20:26 AM
Johhny why do a lot of lads not play development squad football?
Genuine question

Society has changed a lot. The clamour of playing for a development squad doesn't appeal to some young lads, some clubs don't encourage their players to go to trials/training, and the biggest reason is because some of the lads on the squad can't get on their club team but are playing/training with the best in the county because of who they are etc. that hasn't changed in the last 20 years and won't change going forward until dads are not allowed to work with their own.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on October 05, 2022, 04:26:47 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 05, 2022, 04:12:06 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 05, 2022, 12:20:26 AM
Johhny why do a lot of lads not play development squad football?
Genuine question

Society has changed a lot. The clamour of playing for a development squad doesn't appeal to some young lads, some clubs don't encourage their players to go to trials/training, and the biggest reason is because some of the lads on the squad can't get on their club team but are playing/training with the best in the county because of who they are etc. that hasn't changed in the last 20 years and won't change going forward until dads are not allowed to work with their own.
I doubt this claim. Are you saying there are lads on Dev. Squads who don't get on their own Club team at the same age group?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 05, 2022, 04:52:11 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 05, 2022, 04:12:06 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 05, 2022, 12:20:26 AM
Johhny why do a lot of lads not play development squad football?
Genuine question

Society has changed a lot. The clamour of playing for a development squad doesn't appeal to some young lads, some clubs don't encourage their players to go to trials/training, and the biggest reason is because some of the lads on the squad can't get on their club team but are playing/training with the best in the county because of who they are etc. that hasn't changed in the last 20 years and won't change going forward until dads are not allowed to work with their own.

Fairly ridiculous statement about dad's there. Sure remove 75% of the underage coaches in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 05, 2022, 08:43:14 PM
Mark Doran part of Clare management team.
Long trip but great opportunity to coach at a high level.
Best of luck to him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 05, 2022, 09:29:10 PM

[/quote]
  I doubt this claim. Are you saying there are lads on Dev. Squads who don't get on their own Club team at the same age group?
[/quote]

Young Cunningham from Burren a couple of years ago. A disgrace of a situation.

And there are a load of clubs out there who don't allow parents work with their own mwnp - if they want to help out at the club - great but it will be with a different age group. I think it's a fantastic idea.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 05, 2022, 09:41:51 PM
I think you will find that young lad did start fr Burren that year.

So the reason lads don't play development squad is the clamour doesn't appeal to some? So that rules them out

So no parents allowed manage their kids. Yep that would work well in 90% of clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 05, 2022, 10:52:02 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 05, 2022, 09:29:43 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 04, 2022, 10:29:45 PM
Tell me this. Do you reckon lumping the ball in from 60 yards repeatedly a la 'the great Down v Derry game' (DJ Kane main culprit) is a better way of playing football than how it is played now? Because I tell you what, I watched that game recently and it wasn't exactly pretty on the eye.

Who suggested lumping the ball in from 60 yards was a better way to play.
Lets be honest, football is shite nowadays for a variety of reasons and a huge responsibility lies at the feet of ego-driven coaches/managers and those that appoint them.

I'm just asking the question. A lot of opinions here seem to be of the 'back in my day football was better'. So just curious as to how it was better that's all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 06, 2022, 08:16:28 AM
The game was played to win, unlike now when the the goal seems firmly not to lose. Even when the opposition are vulnerable.
The game has changed significantly, the pace, power and athleticism isn't what it was before either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 06, 2022, 08:32:52 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 06, 2022, 08:16:28 AM
The game was played to win, unlike now when the the goal seems firmly not to lose. Even when the opposition are vulnerable.
The game has changed significantly, the pace, power and athleticism isn't what it was before either.

Yes the pace, power and athleticism is far higher than it ever was
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 06, 2022, 09:34:18 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 05, 2022, 10:52:02 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 05, 2022, 09:29:43 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 04, 2022, 10:29:45 PM
Tell me this. Do you reckon lumping the ball in from 60 yards repeatedly a la 'the great Down v Derry game' (DJ Kane main culprit) is a better way of playing football than how it is played now? Because I tell you what, I watched that game recently and it wasn't exactly pretty on the eye.

Who suggested lumping the ball in from 60 yards was a better way to play.
Lets be honest, football is shite nowadays for a variety of reasons and a huge responsibility lies at the feet of ego-driven coaches/managers and those that appoint them.

I'm just asking the question. A lot of opinions here seem to be of the 'back in my day football was better'. So just curious as to how it was better that's all.

Not better per se. But definitely a hell of a lot more fun to play and watch.

It drove me half mad playing with teammates who would kick first then look later. But it drove me completely mad playing all county reserves 2 years ago (mid season, mid table clash against a team from up the county) against a team who retreated into their own half for every restart.

And for all the physique and specialised conditioning of modern players, I don't believe they're as fit as they tell us. Those long periods of endless retention provide room for a breather that we never got.

Last. Re rewatching games. There have been approximately zero games (not involving Mayo) since 2012 at club or county level worthy of a rewatch.

—-

I do think there was something of a golden period of football in the noughties; a time when the players were conditioned and teams played to set styles/tactics - but the style usually involved mostly "old fashioned" positions and a kicking game.

Then the game became too tactical. And now, it's shite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 06, 2022, 10:13:32 AM
I see the u20 championship starts this weekend with only 6 teams in the A competition and 12 in the B section. Some big clubs in the B section who have been competing well at the minor level in previous years so I don't see why they are down-competing with smaller clubs, that's not fair. IMO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on October 06, 2022, 11:43:50 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 06, 2022, 10:13:32 AM
I see the u20 championship starts this weekend with only 6 teams in the A competition and 12 in the B section. Some big clubs in the B section who have been competing well at the minor level in previous years so I don't see why they are down-competing with smaller clubs, that's not fair. IMO
It's drop-off and University attendance overseas or down South that could be the reason.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 06, 2022, 01:16:19 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on October 06, 2022, 11:43:50 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 06, 2022, 10:13:32 AM
I see the u20 championship starts this weekend with only 6 teams in the A competition and 12 in the B section. Some big clubs in the B section who have been competing well at the minor level in previous years so I don't see why they are down-competing with smaller clubs, that's not fair. IMO
It's drop-off and University attendance overseas or down South that could be the reason.

That and the lads that age prefer not to play on cold, wet Sunday mornings with a raging hangover.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MajorShields26 on October 06, 2022, 01:40:45 PM
Will down final be on rte? Probably not the establishment hate the boys from down especially after kilcoo and burren antics last time game was on rte. Also on this any more news on burren managment? Need to start getting best from young boys and get a young manager in to help with this. Another suggestion I thought of in past few days was Darragh O'Hanlon from kilcoo. Could cause a bit of controversy with kilcoo faithful but I'm sure it would boost his management career.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 06, 2022, 03:10:05 PM
Quote from: MajorShields26 on October 06, 2022, 01:40:45 PM
Will down final be on rte? Probably not the establishment hate the boys from down especially after kilcoo and burren antics last time game was on rte. Also on this any more news on burren managment? Need to start getting best from young boys and get a young manager in to help with this. Another suggestion I thought of in past few days was Darragh O'Hanlon from kilcoo. Could cause a bit of controversy with kilcoo faithful but I'm sure it would boost his management career.

Yes I think that's a great idea and he should take the Red Devlin and Barry McEvoy in with him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on October 06, 2022, 04:25:01 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 06, 2022, 03:10:05 PM
Quote from: MajorShields26 on October 06, 2022, 01:40:45 PM
Will down final be on rte? Probably not the establishment hate the boys from down especially after kilcoo and burren antics last time game was on rte. Also on this any more news on burren managment? Need to start getting best from young boys and get a young manager in to help with this. Another suggestion I thought of in past few days was Darragh O'Hanlon from kilcoo. Could cause a bit of controversy with kilcoo faithful but I'm sure it would boost his management career.

Yes I think that's a great idea and he should take the Red Devlin and Barry McEvoy in with him.
😂😂 can't see it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on October 06, 2022, 04:31:02 PM
Are Kilcoo still as disliked/hated?
I personally thought they'd cleaned up their act a lot as past few seasons. Without the discipline they gained from the Mickey Moran and co they'd have found it difficult to win an Ulster club let alone an All Ireland.
Add up the red cards between Kilcoo and Burren as past few seasons and Burren have quite a few more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on October 06, 2022, 05:05:28 PM
Completely agree.  As a neutral at the majority of Kilcoos games this season (including the controversial league final) it has been clear the opposition has been the team provoking, hits off the ball etc. it must be discussed in the changing rooms to use dirty antics.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 06, 2022, 06:28:37 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 06, 2022, 03:10:05 PM
Quote from: MajorShields26 on October 06, 2022, 01:40:45 PM
Will down final be on rte? Probably not the establishment hate the boys from down especially after kilcoo and burren antics last time game was on rte. Also on this any more news on burren managment? Need to start getting best from young boys and get a young manager in to help with this. Another suggestion I thought of in past few days was Darragh O'Hanlon from kilcoo. Could cause a bit of controversy with kilcoo faithful but I'm sure it would boost his management career.

Yes I think that's a great idea and he should take the Red Devlin and Barry McEvoy in with him.
Cracker!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 06, 2022, 10:25:23 PM
Quote from: DanTheMan12 on October 06, 2022, 05:05:28 PM
Completely agree.  As a neutral at the majority of Kilcoos games this season (including the controversial league final) it has been clear the opposition has been the team provoking, hits off the ball etc. it must be discussed in the changing rooms to use dirty antics.
Sweet Jesus, someone actually suggesting Kilcoo as the victims. Hardly a neutral. The verbal and gouging long forgotten
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 07, 2022, 09:32:41 AM
Quote from: DanTheMan12 on October 06, 2022, 05:05:28 PM
Completely agree.  As a neutral at the majority of Kilcoos games this season (including the controversial league final) it has been clear the opposition has been the team provoking, hits off the ball etc. it must be discussed in the changing rooms to use dirty antics.

Due to their behaviour Kilcoo are being awarded the FIFA fair play award for 2022
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 07, 2022, 10:34:33 AM
Quote from: DanTheMan12 on October 06, 2022, 05:05:28 PM
Completely agree.  As a neutral at the majority of Kilcoos games this season (including the controversial league final) it has been clear the opposition has been the team provoking, hits off the ball etc. it must be discussed in the changing rooms to use dirty antics.

Let's be clear, Kilcoo really lowered the bar when it came to those sort of antics on field. If they are now falling "victim" to it I don't think they deserve much sympathy. Super football team for the last decade, but not exactly the most likeable team for a neutral to get behind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 07, 2022, 12:47:07 PM
I'd say the Kilcoo lads can't sleep at night because of what people in down think of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on October 07, 2022, 12:51:11 PM
I see CPN are in the Junior Hurling Championship this week aswell, big Fortnight for the Parish. Fair play. Just curious, any dual players on the squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 07, 2022, 04:16:12 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on October 07, 2022, 12:51:11 PM
I see CPN are in the Junior Hurling Championship this week aswell, big Fortnight for the Parish. Fair play. Just curious, any dual players on the squad?

I can't see them winning tbf
The Town are on the move in hurling circles and I think they could be playing senior in a few years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on October 07, 2022, 06:29:20 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on October 07, 2022, 12:51:11 PM
I see CPN are in the Junior Hurling Championship this week aswell, big Fortnight for the Parish. Fair play. Just curious, any dual players on the squad?

I think big Jamie Grant is the only one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 07, 2022, 11:02:36 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 07, 2022, 04:16:12 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on October 07, 2022, 12:51:11 PM
I see CPN are in the Junior Hurling Championship this week aswell, big Fortnight for the Parish. Fair play. Just curious, any dual players on the squad?

I can't see them winning tbf
The Town are on the move in hurling circles and I think they could be playing senior in a few years
They won :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on October 08, 2022, 10:07:06 AM
Deegan to clonduff next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 08, 2022, 11:41:28 AM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on October 08, 2022, 10:07:06 AM
Deegan to clonduff next year

That would be a big investment, and not much of a track record to justify it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 08, 2022, 05:35:29 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 08, 2022, 11:41:28 AM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on October 08, 2022, 10:07:06 AM
Deegan to clonduff next year

That would be a big investment, and not much of a track record to justify it.

He did well with the Finn in division 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on October 08, 2022, 05:59:46 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on October 08, 2022, 10:07:06 AM
Deegan to clonduff next year

Is dinky McBride away from Clonduff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on October 09, 2022, 12:51:28 AM
How were Liatroim able to get the transfer of Murphy through? I know his father was manager but how was it possible. Belfast and o Donovan Rossa through and through they'd have you believe
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 09, 2022, 12:21:29 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on October 09, 2022, 12:51:28 AM
How were Liatroim able to get the transfer of Murphy through? I know his father was manager but how was it possible. Belfast and o Donovan Rossa through and through they'd have you believe

Maybe he's living in Liatroim now?
Lovely place to get away from the busy city life!
Nice wee caravan would be ideal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 09, 2022, 10:10:16 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on October 08, 2022, 10:07:06 AM
Deegan to clonduff next year

Massive risk on a man who has literally done nothing in management circles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 09, 2022, 10:19:34 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 09, 2022, 12:21:29 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on October 09, 2022, 12:51:28 AM
How were Liatroim able to get the transfer of Murphy through? I know his father was manager but how was it possible. Belfast and o Donovan Rossa through and through they'd have you believe

Maybe he's living in Liatroim now?
Lovely place to get away from the busy city life!
Nice wee caravan would be ideal.

Scourge of GAA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 10, 2022, 12:46:56 AM
Reports of a few early club managerial shake ups.
Bryansford - Fegan + Deegan gone.
Mayobridge - Poacher + Clarke gone.
Clonduff - McBride gone.
Castlewellan - Grant gone.
Downpatrick - Robinson gone.
Bredagh - Mason + Dawson gone.
Longstone - Morgan gone.
Some amount of jobs on the merry-go-round coming up.

In other news, CL has started to contact prospective players for next year, a few lads have already had a phone call, reportedly training is set to be a real test this side of Christmas with tullyamore forest park and sand dunes earmarked for some gruelling running sessions, survival of the fittest coming very soon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 10, 2022, 04:46:21 PM
Not a fan of a one season management setting, you really can't change everything in one year. If there are progressing signs they need to stay.

Final on at 4pm Sunday, seems a strange time, I normally have my Sunday siesta then. Looking forward to this one, intriguing how CPN will approach it and whether they will follow blueprint of Clonduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 10, 2022, 04:56:45 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 10, 2022, 12:46:56 AM
Reports of a few early club managerial shake ups.
Bryansford - Fegan + Deegan gone.
Mayobridge - Poacher + Clarke gone.
Clonduff - McBride gone.
Castlewellan - Grant gone.
Downpatrick - Robinson gone.
Bredagh - Mason + Dawson gone.
Longstone - Morgan gone.
Some amount of jobs on the merry-go-round coming up.

In other news, CL has started to contact prospective players for next year, a few lads have already had a phone call, reportedly training is set to be a real test this side of Christmas with tullyamore forest park and sand dunes earmarked for some gruelling running sessions, survival of the fittest coming very soon

If your information is correct, it's looking like 70-80% of SFC teams for 2023 will have a new management team.

Is this a symptom of:

A) Unrealistic expectation from clubs from their senior team, or
B) unrealistic expectations from players from their management, or
C) unrealistic expectations from managers on how may time players should give,
D) unrealistic expectations from managers that clubs can be shaken down for money?

It's probably a combination of the lot to be fair.

Gaelic Games is in dour need of a great reset.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on October 10, 2022, 06:06:15 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 10, 2022, 12:46:56 AM
Reports of a few early club managerial shake ups.
Bryansford - Fegan + Deegan gone.
Mayobridge - Poacher + Clarke gone.
Clonduff - McBride gone.
Castlewellan - Grant gone.
Downpatrick - Robinson gone.
Bredagh - Mason + Dawson gone.
Longstone - Morgan gone.
Some amount of jobs on the merry-go-round coming up.

In other news, CL has started to contact prospective players for next year, a few lads have already had a phone call, reportedly training is set to be a real test this side of Christmas with tullyamore forest park and sand dunes earmarked for some gruelling running sessions, survival of the fittest coming very soon
You are so full of crap with this list.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 10, 2022, 07:22:34 PM
Quote from: wobbller on October 10, 2022, 06:06:15 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 10, 2022, 12:46:56 AM
Reports of a few early club managerial shake ups.
Bryansford - Fegan + Deegan gone.
Mayobridge - Poacher + Clarke gone.
Clonduff - McBride gone.
Castlewellan - Grant gone.
Downpatrick - Robinson gone.
Bredagh - Mason + Dawson gone.
Longstone - Morgan gone.
Some amount of jobs on the merry-go-round coming up.

In other news, CL has started to contact prospective players for next year, a few lads have already had a phone call, reportedly training is set to be a real test this side of Christmas with tullyamore forest park and sand dunes earmarked for some gruelling running sessions, survival of the fittest coming very soon
You are so full of crap with this list.
What is fact and what is fiction (crap) ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 10, 2022, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 10, 2022, 12:46:56 AM
Reports of a few early club managerial shake ups.
Bryansford - Fegan + Deegan gone.
Mayobridge - Poacher + Clarke gone.
Clonduff - McBride gone.
Castlewellan - Grant gone.
Downpatrick - Robinson gone.
Bredagh - Mason + Dawson gone.
Longstone - Morgan gone.
Some amount of jobs on the merry-go-round coming up.

Not so sure about a few of these above but Adam's is gone from Burren. Think Poacher is staying with Mayobridge and Morgan is staying with Longstone. 5/6 of the top ten teams in the county looking managers next year in a season that's already going to be competitive..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on October 10, 2022, 10:56:49 PM
Gilligan going to be leaving Kilcoo also. Thornton to take over alone or may also walk. McCorry gone. Mullholland and Pollie will be staying. McCorry gone and wee James clan in. Poacher staying also led to believe Clarke staying but will only be involved after Down finish up. Dinky gone and Deegan in with Clonduff. Ciaran Brannigan pushing for Bryansford job. McCrink to stay with Ballyholland after steadying the ship. Duffin to get another year after positive year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 11, 2022, 08:15:33 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 09, 2022, 12:21:29 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on October 09, 2022, 12:51:28 AM
How were Liatroim able to get the transfer of Murphy through? I know his father was manager but how was it possible. Belfast and o Donovan Rossa through and through they'd have you believe

Maybe he's living in Liatroim now?
Lovely place to get away from the busy city life!
Nice wee caravan would be ideal.

Thought that was a strange one alright but whatever was going on with Rossa in the lead up to last years senior final in Antrim has been Liatroims gain, but for how long nobody knows....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 11, 2022, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on October 10, 2022, 10:56:49 PM
Gilligan going to be leaving Kilcoo also. Thornton to take over alone or may also walk. McCorry gone. Mullholland and Pollie will be staying. McCorry gone and wee James clan in. Poacher staying also led to believe Clarke staying but will only be involved after Down finish up. Dinky gone and Deegan in with Clonduff. Ciaran Brannigan pushing for Bryansford job. McCrink to stay with Ballyholland after steadying the ship. Duffin to get another year after positive year.

Why will Gilligan be leaving? Clubs expect instant success and that can be draining on managers. A league title for Burren is not enough for their supporters which another club would see as a great year.

Take division one, for example, even the clubs who were relegated had decent runs in the championship. I think the biggest problem is the expectations of club supporters who expect teams to win a championship every year. All clubs go through managers like hot dinners and players do not get time to adjust. If Dinky and Grant have left Clonduff and Castlewellan then how many managers have they gone through in the past ten years? The manager will always be the fall guy of a club but sometimes people need to look at the players and ask themselves if their ability there.

To take over Castlewellan would be hard work, Half the team play hurling on a Monday night and the other half play soccer on a Saturday after a game on Friday night, like realistically where would you get genuine time to coach the side?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on October 11, 2022, 09:25:35 AM
Where have the rumours of Deegan to Clonduff come from, seems like a wild guess tbh. He will cost big money and cannot see Clonduff parting with big money again after a few years of pushing money to Tyrone men with no reward. Clonduff to go cheap this year imo, and stay in house, somehow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 11, 2022, 09:30:09 AM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 11, 2022, 09:25:35 AM
Where have the rumours of Deegan to Clonduff come from, seems like a wild guess tbh. He will cost big money and cannot see Clonduff parting with big money again after a few years of pushing money to Tyrone men with no reward. Clonduff to go cheap this year imo, and stay in house, somehow.

Clonduff always find it hard when they go in-house, the parish is too big and the Hilltown and Cabra argument will always surface. I would say it's one of the hardest jobs in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 11, 2022, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 08, 2022, 05:35:29 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 08, 2022, 11:41:28 AM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on October 08, 2022, 10:07:06 AM
Deegan to clonduff next year

That would be a big investment, and not much of a track record to justify it.

He did well with the Finn in division 4

He won some games, did he do well? Didn't he have Dromara underperform in division 4 after his time with the Finn? And was he a success with Queens?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on October 11, 2022, 10:45:26 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 11, 2022, 09:30:09 AM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 11, 2022, 09:25:35 AM
Where have the rumours of Deegan to Clonduff come from, seems like a wild guess tbh. He will cost big money and cannot see Clonduff parting with big money again after a few years of pushing money to Tyrone men with no reward. Clonduff to go cheap this year imo, and stay in house, somehow.

Clonduff always find it hard when they go in-house, the parish is too big and the Hilltown and Cabra argument will always surface. I would say it's one of the hardest jobs in Down.

The shear arrogance of some of the players does not help either, for players who have won very little, they soon get a head about themselves, for winning the odd game or getting a down call up, they soon believe themselves to he world beaters, which doesn't bode well for team spirit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 11, 2022, 10:46:13 AM
Deegan left Dromara in a good place and they are now in a championship final, he kept a poor Bryansford team in Divison 1 against the odds so a stint with better players in Clonduff could be justifield. Brannigan seems the obvious man and deserves his chance at the reigns in Newcastle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 11, 2022, 12:07:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 11, 2022, 10:46:13 AM
Deegan left Dromara in a good place and they are now in a championship final, he kept a poor Bryansford team in Divison 1 against the odds so a stint with better players in Clonduff could be justifield. Brannigan seems the obvious man and deserves his chance at the reigns in Newcastle.

Dromara getting to a championship final a couple of years after he left has nothing to do with him! Laughable. They failed to get promoted that year despite being fancied to do so. But fair enough on the Bryansford point, keeping them up was decent. The other teams he managed didn't progress or achieve much.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 11, 2022, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 11, 2022, 12:07:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 11, 2022, 10:46:13 AM
Deegan left Dromara in a good place and they are now in a championship final, he kept a poor Bryansford team in Divison 1 against the odds so a stint with better players in Clonduff could be justifield. Brannigan seems the obvious man and deserves his chance at the reigns in Newcastle.

Dromara getting to a championship final a couple of years after he left has nothing to do with him! Laughable. They failed to get promoted that year despite being fancied to do so. But fair enough on the Bryansford point, keeping them up was decent. The other teams he managed didn't progress or achieve much.

He left at the end of the season in 2021 if my memory serves me correctly. Bryansford needs someone to stay with them longer than a year and build a team as they have had more managers than Crystal Palace recently. Like Castlewellan, they are a huge club with a proud tradition but the expectation maybe is too high from committees and supporters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 11, 2022, 02:06:42 PM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 11, 2022, 10:45:26 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 11, 2022, 09:30:09 AM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 11, 2022, 09:25:35 AM
Where have the rumours of Deegan to Clonduff come from, seems like a wild guess tbh. He will cost big money and cannot see Clonduff parting with big money again after a few years of pushing money to Tyrone men with no reward. Clonduff to go cheap this year imo, and stay in house, somehow.

Clonduff always find it hard when they go in-house, the parish is too big and the Hilltown and Cabra argument will always surface. I would say it's one of the hardest jobs in Down.

The shear arrogance of some of the players does not help either, for players who have won very little, they soon get a head about themselves, for winning the odd game or getting a down call up, they soon believe themselves to he world beaters, which doesn't bode well for team spirit
Are they the only club in Down like that.??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 11, 2022, 07:50:35 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on October 11, 2022, 02:06:42 PM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 11, 2022, 10:45:26 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 11, 2022, 09:30:09 AM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 11, 2022, 09:25:35 AM
Where have the rumours of Deegan to Clonduff come from, seems like a wild guess tbh. He will cost big money and cannot see Clonduff parting with big money again after a few years of pushing money to Tyrone men with no reward. Clonduff to go cheap this year imo, and stay in house, somehow.

Clonduff always find it hard when they go in-house, the parish is too big and the Hilltown and Cabra argument will always surface. I would say it's one of the hardest jobs in Down.

The shear arrogance of some of the players does not help either, for players who have won very little, they soon get a head about themselves, for winning the odd game or getting a down call up, they soon believe themselves to he world beaters, which doesn't bode well for team spirit
Are they the only club in Down like that.??

Na. It's a south Down thing!

That's right isn't it TT?

#busybeerocks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 12, 2022, 04:53:37 PM
Will Gary McMahon be fit for Sunday. If he is not I fear for CPN.

if Gilligan leaves Kilcoo after the season is over surely Jerome and Mark Doran would be an option
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 12, 2022, 06:38:10 PM
Doran's part of the Clare management team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 12, 2022, 08:55:43 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 12, 2022, 04:53:37 PM
Will Gary McMahon be fit for Sunday. If he is not I fear for CPN.

if Gilligan leaves Kilcoo after the season is over surely Jerome and Mark Doran would be an option

Despite his success at setting up an effective underage structure - I think Kilcoo will stay clear of Jerome. Imagine the difficulty with 3 sons and a mountain of nephews all to keep happy!! Impossible..
if - as expected - Gilligan is the fourth man for the county then I expect Thornton to step up and continue the job. The one thing they don't do is completely clear the decks with management - there is always one or two that stay in some capacity.
Where has Paddy Murray gone to in the last couple of seasons?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 12, 2022, 10:17:15 PM
Are you sure, when McCrory left was there any continuity or MCivor after that. I'm not so sure.

Leave the AI club winners to go play 4th fiddle in a Down set up, again I can't see that either. Maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 13, 2022, 08:37:25 AM
I just heard that Bryansford sacked the two lads, they were favourites for relegation and they kept them in the first division. What does the Bryansford committee expect of them?
Who would want to manage them now as they get rid of a manager every 10 months!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 13, 2022, 09:08:07 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 13, 2022, 08:37:25 AM
I just heard that Bryansford sacked the two lads, they were favourites for relegation and they kept them in the first division. What does the Bryansford committee expect of them?
Who would want to manage them now as they get rid of a manager every 10 months!

Obviously issues there that go beyond coaching.
Seems from the outside to be a lot of cliques & agendas at play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 13, 2022, 10:46:52 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 13, 2022, 08:37:25 AM
I just heard that Bryansford sacked the two lads, they were favourites for relegation and they kept them in the first division. What does the Bryansford committee expect of them?
Who would want to manage them now as they get rid of a manager every 10 months!

Bryansford are a very mysterious club. Have quite a bit of talent at their disposal and a bit of underage stuff coming through - will probably take 3/4 years for massive changes to happen but it will happen in time. Maybe the club recognise this and are focusing on saving money in the meantime so when these young lads come through they can get a top coach to take them. From what I hear Deegan was out of his depth this year anyhow - Fegan was the brains behind the stay in division one and senior championship. But both lads were costing an absolute fortune  - so why not save that.
In the times we have ahead of us with expenses - can clubs afford to be splurging out huge sums to management teams with absolutely no guarantee of anything that resembles success.
We spend what we need to and I'm sure Kilcoo do likewise - but the likes of the noisy neighbours are a disgrace if the figures being touted about are actually true. Surely there are good enough coaches in that club to be able to coach a senior team to a championship. Mayobridge likewise and the great underachievers Clonduff likewise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 14, 2022, 08:55:06 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 13, 2022, 10:46:52 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 13, 2022, 08:37:25 AM
I just heard that Bryansford sacked the two lads, they were favourites for relegation and they kept them in the first division. What does the Bryansford committee expect of them?
Who would want to manage them now as they get rid of a manager every 10 months!

Bryansford are a very mysterious club. Have quite a bit of talent at their disposal and a bit of underage stuff coming through - will probably take 3/4 years for massive changes to happen but it will happen in time. Maybe the club recognise this and are focusing on saving money in the meantime so when these young lads come through they can get a top coach to take them. From what I hear Deegan was out of his depth this year anyhow - Fegan was the brains behind the stay in division one and senior championship. But both lads were costing an absolute fortune  - so why not save that.
In the times we have ahead of us with expenses - can clubs afford to be splurging out huge sums to management teams with absolutely no guarantee of anything that resembles success.
We spend what we need to and I'm sure Kilcoo do likewise - but the likes of the noisy neighbours are a disgrace if the figures being touted about are actually true. Surely there are good enough coaches in that club to be able to coach a senior team to a championship. Mayobridge likewise and the great underachievers Clonduff likewise.

Fair play to your previous management team and the current one for volunteering to take CPN for free in the current climate. You do know that the great underachievers Clonduff have won the same amount in recent history as yourself ( 1 league title).
BTW since Warrenpoints last SFC win, the underachivers have won 3 senior championship titles.

Quit the south Down arrogance and show some respect.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 14, 2022, 09:03:56 AM
There's no point coaching players when they get to senior level, if they can't do all the basics extremely well and have the conditioning at that stage it's too late. Can't teach an 18 year old how to catch a ball. That's foundation work from u14.
Top coaches only dictate the style of play and how they want their teams to play the game in a senior set up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on October 14, 2022, 10:42:20 AM
Pete McGrath and Pete sr the new an riocht managers on a 3 year deal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 14, 2022, 10:44:13 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 14, 2022, 09:03:56 AM
There's no point coaching players when they get to senior level, if they can't do all the basics extremely well and have the conditioning at that stage it's too late. Can't teach an 18 year old how to catch a ball. That's foundation work from u14.
Top coaches only dictate the style of play and how they want their teams to play the game in a senior set up.

Laughable to suggest it's too late for a player if they haven't the conditioning by senior level. Plenty of time at 18 years old to develop that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 14, 2022, 10:53:13 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on October 14, 2022, 10:42:20 AM
Pete McGrath and Pete sr the new an riocht managers on a 3 year deal.

After guiding Burren seconds and thirds to the Championship last year they deserve a shot at greater things... oh wait  ;D

In all seriousness, a good appointment if true for the Kingdom, was Pete not there before? Was he the manager when they won the league in 2007?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 14, 2022, 11:16:28 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on October 14, 2022, 10:42:20 AM
Pete McGrath and Pete sr the new an riocht managers on a 3 year deal.

Deadline for application for the position isn't til 5 pm today!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 14, 2022, 11:39:26 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 14, 2022, 10:53:13 AM
Quote from: lumpitin on October 14, 2022, 10:42:20 AM
Pete McGrath and Pete sr the new an riocht managers on a 3 year deal.

After guiding Burren seconds and thirds to the Championship last year they deserve a shot at greater things... oh wait  ;D

In all seriousness, a good appointment if true for the Kingdom, was Pete not there before? Was he the manager when they won the league in 2007?
Yes and then we got relegated following year. Won't be returning to manage An Riocht
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 14, 2022, 04:28:40 PM
best wishes to both teams tonight, it would be massive for either to win .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 14, 2022, 04:30:32 PM

Fair play to your previous management team and the current one for volunteering to take CPN for free in the current climate. You do know that the great underachievers Clonduff have won the same amount in recent history as yourself ( 1 league title).
BTW since Warrenpoints last SFC win, the underachivers have won 3 senior championship titles.

Quit the south Down arrogance and show some respect.
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What part of "we spend what we need to" didn't you understand TH? Clonduff is one of the if not the biggest catchment area in the county and are always boasting that this will be there year for championship honours etc. We in Cpn don't do that. We realise we are currently in dizzy times beating the noisy neighbours in 2/3 last championships and getting to two county finals as well as capturing a league title. This won't last forever and our underage structure is not winning much so the future could be bleak!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 14, 2022, 06:47:25 PM
Cpn are again underdogs for the final sunday. They seem to deal very well with this tag to date in the championship. Kilcoo were very lucky against the yellas but they looked strong in the semi final against the bridge so I expect they will take nothing grant it on sunday and will show the point the respect they have earned but I think kilcoo have just too much experience and should win it by a few points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 14, 2022, 11:17:59 PM
Well done Teconnaght.
Another trophy making its way to East Down the home of Gaelic football!

Big day tomorrow morning in #McCarthys for a good feed before hitting #McMullans for a session!

All the prominent people will be there.

(No South Downers or Taliban welcome!)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 16, 2022, 10:52:45 AM
Good win for Saval yesterday, throughly deserved in what was a decent enough game, a crackling goal from their captain turned the game just before halftime.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 16, 2022, 11:17:18 AM
Very entertaining game, good to see the kick pass isn't  dead after all. Fair play to both teams, playing really goods games in terrible conditions. Saval seemed to have the edge in desire I thought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 16, 2022, 05:37:16 PM
Is there extra time?
Kilcoo too complacent, thought they only had to turn up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 16, 2022, 05:49:24 PM
Magpies will win in extra time, of course
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 16, 2022, 06:19:33 PM
You gotta feel for the point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 16, 2022, 06:26:28 PM
Such small margins for the Point.

They should be immensely proud of themselves but every last one of them will kick themselves for every little mistake this evening.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on October 16, 2022, 06:51:23 PM
Poor game to be honest. Our refusal to let the ball inside cost us. No point putting Jamie and Ross in if the ball won't follow.

Poor Final with two Teams more worried about not losing, rather than going out and trying to win it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on October 16, 2022, 07:02:37 PM
Congrats Kilcoo , thought you were the better team but the ref was brutal, as a neutral I was puzzled by some of his decisions , the worst being a neck high challenge to a Kilcoo forward when he was in possession of the ball on the counter attack, he got a yellow card when a red or black was more appropriate, which club is he from?
I'm thinking Burren !!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 16, 2022, 07:09:44 PM
Hard luck to warrenpoint today a great effort but they just came up short. Special mention for Darren o'hare he played the shirt of his back for the point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 16, 2022, 07:13:23 PM
Cuan12 you are full of it. Darren had a good game. Very fair and let it flow. Punished over carrying equally and gave frees that were due. Dylan Ward left a fist in and was yellow carded, similar tackle for McGivern near end. Gave Sheelin a free which could have went other way for trapping the hand. Ryan McEvoy followed through McGarry and could have been dealt with differently but Darren let it go. Take your anti Burren bias and stick it. Burren living rent free in your head
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 16, 2022, 07:34:04 PM
Cuban I agree. As a neutral I felt he was very harsh on kilcoo but thankfully the best team won
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on October 16, 2022, 07:36:23 PM
Forevergreen, when you get over the fact that Kilcoo have won again, sit down and watch that game again, Darren o Hare let point back into that game by giving soft frees to point and not giving the correct punishment for several frees. I'm not saying Kilcoo were angels but the incident I am referring to was the example of how the ref kept the point in the game. As for not liking Burren , I like many others do not give Burren a second thought , I leave that to the Burren hierarchy who are obsessed with Kilcoo and how they keep winning the Frank oHare cup, my own club continues to develop and hopefully will do in the future which plainly the mighty Burren can't do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 16, 2022, 07:46:56 PM
Firstly I have no gripe with Kilcoo winning today. They showed all their experience and pushed on when needed. Their success has been built on hard work so fair play.  But Like I said Cuan, there were a number of instances of both teams getting away with tackles that could have the yielded a different outcome. But he was equally lenient in them big calls. Frees where given to both sides. Kilcoo had a few frees near end to win it, equally point got chances. He called what he seen. Point showed real heart and kept themselves in it. But to say Darren was the reason the game was close is plain BS
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on October 16, 2022, 09:01:10 PM
Choc wasn't to happy with not getting on today. Held the whole thing up and his speech at the end too. There'll be words had tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on October 16, 2022, 09:13:09 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on October 16, 2022, 09:01:10 PM
Choc wasn't to happy with not getting on today. Held the whole thing up and his speech at the end too. There'll be words had tonight.

What age is he now? Surely it's time to call it a day? He has every club medal going and it should mean more to him seeing the next group come through
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 16, 2022, 09:15:56 PM
Best team won although CPN will regret their caution. Hard to pick a MoM although Dabs (as always), Rooney, Ryan J and Laverty strong, as were McMahon, Murdoch, McCormack John Boyle.
O'Hare got most things right but made some strange/brave calls towards the end. So much so that Genie Brannigan gave him a mouthful after the final whistle earning himself a straight red. O'Hare certainly didn't deserve the verbal abuse from a fellow referee; a Kilcoo man who obviously didn't read the script about respecting referees!
Credit to the County board for a really well organised weekend and adh mór to Teconnaught, Saval and Kilcoo in Ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 16, 2022, 10:14:42 PM
Disappointed, proud, bewildered but not bitter. A titanic tussle that we come up short in again. All this BS about the referee - seriously he did his best and that's all anyone can ask - but there will soon be no referees allowed to do a game for Kilcoo such is their disdain towards everyone who doesn't buy their antics. 10/11 is unbelievable going for any team let alone a group of 8 players picking up medal number 11 for their club. Crazy consistency, crazy longevity and by the looks of them - there is more to come.. well done to our lads and management for a great year and enjoy the next few well deserved days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 16, 2022, 10:15:56 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on October 16, 2022, 09:15:56 PM
Best team won although CPN will regret their caution. Hard to pick a MoM although Dabs (as always), Rooney, Ryan J and Laverty strong, as were McMahon, Murdoch, McCormack John Boyle.
O'Hare got most things right but made some strange/brave calls towards the end. So much so that Genie Brannigan gave him a mouthful after the final whistle earning himself a straight red. O'Hare certainly didn't deserve the verbal abuse from a fellow referee; a Kilcoo man who obviously didn't read the script about respecting referees!
Credit to the County board for a really well organised weekend and adh mór to Teconnaught, Saval and Kilcoo in Ulster.

A lot of money spent in the likes of Burren, Mayobridge, Rostrevor, Warrenpoint, all to end up winning nada. Well done to Down men Cathal Murray and Mark Doran on winning senior titles in Monaghan and Louth today. As for Darren OHare, he probably got so much abuse from the Kilcoo secretary O'Hanlon at the end of the game because he's still one of the very few who hasn't been bought yet for in house games. Most of the others have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 16, 2022, 10:42:18 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 16, 2022, 10:15:56 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on October 16, 2022, 09:15:56 PM
Best team won although CPN will regret their caution. Hard to pick a MoM although Dabs (as always), Rooney, Ryan J and Laverty strong, as were McMahon, Murdoch, McCormack John Boyle.
O'Hare got most things right but made some strange/brave calls towards the end. So much so that Genie Brannigan gave him a mouthful after the final whistle earning himself a straight red. O'Hare certainly didn't deserve the verbal abuse from a fellow referee; a Kilcoo man who obviously didn't read the script about respecting referees!
Credit to the County board for a really well organised weekend and adh mór to Teconnaught, Saval and Kilcoo in Ulster.

A lot of money spent in the likes of Burren, Mayobridge, Rostrevor, Warrenpoint, all to end up winning nada. Well done to Down men Cathal Murray and Mark Doran on winning senior titles in Monaghan and Louth today. As for Darren OHare, he probably got so much abuse from the Kilcoo secretary O'Hanlon at the end of the game because he's still one of the very few who hasn't been bought yet for in house games. Most of the others have.

I'd love to see a list of clubs that didn't spend a lot money this season.

——

PD was a strange choice for MotM. Ryan Johnson, Dylan Ward, the 2 Rooneys, Dabs and Ryan McEvoy all were surely ahead on anyone's viewing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 16, 2022, 11:00:52 PM
Very strange call for mom. Think PD was surprised himself! A few CPN men were in with a shout. From the winners I thought Ryan J, Ryan Mc and Miceal Rooney all very good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 16, 2022, 11:34:08 PM


The 10 rules of being a modern Gaelic Football spectator:

1. Get extremely vocally upset at the first decision against your side, regardless of context. Make sure to call the referee a **** during your outburst.

2. Loudly demand a black card every time one of your team is fouled. Then vociferously shout down opposing fans as not knowing the black card rule, when they do likewise. Make sure to call the referee a **** during all these exchanges.

3. Scream about head injuries anytime one of your team hits the ground. Call your opponents out for blatant cheating if they do likewise, while peppering your exclamations with a clear opinion that the ref is a ****.

4. When play descends into that shite when players move the ball from side to side for a couple of minutes, use this quiet time to loudly confirm to friends across the stand/terrace, that the ref is a cheating **** who has always hated your club.

5. When a player makes a decision to launch the ball 70 yards up field, which confuses everyone and it ends up, with a bounce, some 90 yards away, never refuse this opportunity to tell that **** in black to stay up with the play.

6. No matter how little or lengthy the amount of stoppage time displayed on the board, use this opportunity to loudly call the ref out as a cheating ****.

7. Should the ref let things go, then he's the direct cause of any injury during the match, and he should be held liable. If he blows most things up and hands out cards in accordance with the rules, he's an over officious p***k who thinks we are all there to watch him. There is no middle ground. Make sure he knows.

8. At least twice during the match, try to grab the attention of a selector and deliver your key message "have a f**king word with that ref, he's a f**king disgrace."

9. When exiting the game, look out for and then corner neutrals who you can loudly bully into agreeing with your assessment, that the **** ref has clearly never played the game, doesn't know the rules, and hates your team.

10. If someone brings up this match in a few months or years time, and you've only vague or no memories of it, ask who the ref was. And no matter who it was, just open with "that ****? f**k I remember it well, he fucked us that night, that ****".


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Oglach on October 16, 2022, 11:56:28 PM
Did you take the time to make that up yourself?
Pathetic.
Watch the game back and come back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on October 17, 2022, 12:44:46 AM

Is it not enough to win? You have to be sore winners too?

Right after covid, the county board had to call retired refs up and beg them to come back to the game due to a shortage of refs. After reading several of the posts on here, it isn't exactly difficult to see why very few want to get involved in refereeing any more.

The criticism on here has been nothing short of disgusting. Calling the man a 'cheat' because he gave a few decisions against the team that WON? Not a very good cheat in my book if thats the case...

Seriously though, what would he have to gain by intentionally favouring one team over another? Goes around the county doing games at all age levels, several times a week, in wind, hail or shine for years, to get to the biggest stage in Down football with the thousands in attendance, and the cameras there for the country watching, to what? Cheat one team out of it? Think about it. Please, just think.

If a referee does have a bad game, just remember that like a player they have about 2 seconds to make a decision. Sometimes they will get it wrong. They are human after all. A player sometimes makes the wrong choice, hits the wrong pass or hits a shot wide, and I can tell you they rarely get lambasted the way officials do.

It's ok to say a ref has had a bad game, but some of the posts here have been way over the line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on October 17, 2022, 07:31:47 AM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 17, 2022, 09:33:59 AM
There's a certain trend appearing here. I don't get it, I don't like it. It's not the spirit of our games.

3 finals this weekend. Each one a step up from each other in quality but all 3 made brilliant viewing. TV coverage was class. Well done to the 3 winners, all deserved to win on the day. Commiseration's to the beaten finalist's, they all put in a great shift.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 17, 2022, 09:54:27 AM
 Well pleased for Danny Hughes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on October 17, 2022, 10:00:57 AM
The Referee was poor for both sides. Made some strange calls but any Kilcoo supporter thinking he favoured The Point are deluded. Ward's Yellow was as clear a red as you will see. Closed fist on McGarry right in front of The Ref. Ryan McEvoy's was again an easy decision. Contact with the head after the ball had gone.

Ruairi McGivern was very lucky to only get a yellow also.

The free at the end for Kilcoo was laughable. Hooked the defenders arm and fell to the ground.

Supporters are all experts from the stand. Sport has always been that way. But by and large all fans want is a referee to get the big decisions correct and use all his fellow officials to help him do that. Yesterday that did not happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 17, 2022, 10:10:26 AM
Quote from: urbangael on October 16, 2022, 11:00:52 PM
Very strange call for mom. Think PD was surprised himself! A few CPN men were in with a shout. From the winners I thought Ryan J, Ryan Mc and Miceal Rooney all very good.
The Red must have been picking MOM!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 17, 2022, 11:10:49 AM
Always found O'Hare to be a good ref.
Always fair to both sides & measured in his approach.
Doesn't make rash decisions & takes no lip from any player or coach.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 17, 2022, 11:15:27 AM
Quote from: guevara on October 17, 2022, 10:00:57 AM
The Referee was poor for both sides. Made some strange calls but any Kilcoo supporter thinking he favoured The Point are deluded. Ward's Yellow was as clear a red as you will see. Closed fist on McGarry right in front of The Ref. Ryan McEvoy's was again an easy decision. Contact with the head after the ball had gone.

Ruairi McGivern was very lucky to only get a yellow also.

The free at the end for Kilcoo was laughable. Hooked the defenders arm and fell to the ground.

Supporters are all experts from the stand. Sport has always been that way. But by and large all fans want is a referee to get the big decisions correct and use all his fellow officials to help him do that. Yesterday that did not happen.

The referee did well and let the game flow. So much has been said recently about respecting the ref yet yesterday a Kilcoo player and secretary ran to the ref at the end of the game after winning a county title with number 15 getting shown a red card.
Then a Kilcoo executive member made personal attacks on social media towards him, That's not in the spirit of the game.  I for one do not like the way we are going down the line of bullying and trying to influence refs. Without them, there are no games.
The ref  done well and we need to respect this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 17, 2022, 11:28:40 AM
Nothing wrong with the refereeing yesterday.  Good final, very narrow margins in the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 17, 2022, 12:13:17 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 17, 2022, 11:15:27 AM
Quote from: guevara on October 17, 2022, 10:00:57 AM
The Referee was poor for both sides. Made some strange calls but any Kilcoo supporter thinking he favoured The Point are deluded. Ward's Yellow was as clear a red as you will see. Closed fist on McGarry right in front of The Ref. Ryan McEvoy's was again an easy decision. Contact with the head after the ball had gone.

Ruairi McGivern was very lucky to only get a yellow also.

The free at the end for Kilcoo was laughable. Hooked the defenders arm and fell to the ground.

Supporters are all experts from the stand. Sport has always been that way. But by and large all fans want is a referee to get the big decisions correct and use all his fellow officials to help him do that. Yesterday that did not happen.

The referee did well and let the game flow. So much has been said recently about respecting the ref yet yesterday a Kilcoo player and secretary ran to the ref at the end of the game after winning a county title with number 15 getting shown a red card.
Then a Kilcoo executive member made personal attacks on social media towards him, That's not in the spirit of the game.  I for one do not like the way we are going down the line of bullying and trying to influence refs. Without them, there are no games.
The ref  done well and we need to respect this.
Without the referees there are no games. They do there best and of course won't get everything right all the time but should at least be respected. Sad to see the actions of a few after the game yesterday and tripe said afterwards on social media. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 17, 2022, 12:35:09 PM
Laverty needs to have Patrick Grant, Oisin Savage, Pat Havern, Gary McMahon, and Micheal Rooney on his panel.

Will Jerome stay on with Ballybay?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 17, 2022, 12:50:37 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 17, 2022, 12:35:09 PM
Laverty needs to have Patrick Grant, Oisin Savage, Pat Havern, Gary McMahon, and Micheal Rooney on his panel.

Will Jerome stay on with Ballybay?

Is Savage still under 20? If so let him get that last year at that level, gives time to further develop physically. No doubt a player with big potential.

Not sure about Paddy Grant, yes he was excellent on Friday night but I don't think that makes the case for getting him on the panel. Maybe though give the likes of him and other stand out Div3/4 players a chance in some early friendly games/in house games, does no harm to expose players from the lower divisions to that standard. If anything it should benefit them personally, and also their clubs, even if they don't make the cut in the end. Can only be good in the long term.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 17, 2022, 01:14:51 PM
Massive win for Carryduff v Clonduff, I cannot remember them being over strong at this level during underage?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 17, 2022, 02:48:14 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 17, 2022, 11:15:27 AM
Quote from: guevara on October 17, 2022, 10:00:57 AM
The Referee was poor for both sides. Made some strange calls but any Kilcoo supporter thinking he favoured The Point are deluded. Ward's Yellow was as clear a red as you will see. Closed fist on McGarry right in front of The Ref. Ryan McEvoy's was again an easy decision. Contact with the head after the ball had gone.

Ruairi McGivern was very lucky to only get a yellow also.

The free at the end for Kilcoo was laughable. Hooked the defenders arm and fell to the ground.

Supporters are all experts from the stand. Sport has always been that way. But by and large all fans want is a referee to get the big decisions correct and use all his fellow officials to help him do that. Yesterday that did not happen.

The referee did well and let the game flow. So much has been said recently about respecting the ref yet yesterday a Kilcoo player and secretary ran to the ref at the end of the game after winning a county title with number 15 getting shown a red card.
Then a Kilcoo executive member made personal attacks on social media towards him, That's not in the spirit of the game.  I for one do not like the way we are going down the line of bullying and trying to influence refs. Without them, there are no games.
The ref  done well and we need to respect this.

I thought he let things go yesterday but he didn't let one team away more than others. Both teams had incidents where another ref might have produced reds but he kept them on the pitch. Darren is one of the better refs and Kilcoo should have accepted they won and had a look at what they did wrong on the day instead of abusing the ref.

Good luck to them in the Ulster championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 17, 2022, 03:56:09 PM
Another way of looking at the appointment question, who else has enough experience and ability for that game. The best won't take it because of the team involved. After that there isn't enough experience at that level for that game.
The b-line made for ref at the end is not acceptable for either a player or committee member/ex-referee!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 17, 2022, 04:17:47 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 17, 2022, 03:56:09 PM
Another way of looking at the appointment question, who else has enough experience and ability for that game. The best won't take it because of the team involved. After that there isn't enough experience at that level for that game.
The b-line made for ref at the end is not acceptable for either a player or committee member/ex-referee!

That's a few times now that the ref has been verbally abused after a championship game by the.
I really admire their achievements but some of the antics by their committee members and a few players and supporters always tarnish the good.

I expect Larry McCarthy to have new rules for abuse of refs for next congress and I would say it's a massive problem in the country. Refs are becoming as rarer as hen's teeth and clubs need to protect them. If refs do not sway a way of a club then they get abuse. Its disgusting and needs eradicated. The only way to do that is harsher penalties for players and clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 17, 2022, 04:48:51 PM
Think I've just about recovered from last night's celebrations 😊 Well done to our men yesterday. Great win after a fierce challenge by Warrenpoint. We showed great experience and leadership throughout to get over the line with some great performances throughout the team.

Commiserations to Warrenpoint, hard one to take but they can hold their heads high after that.

20 Down championships now for us and some men with 11 medals in the back pocket. Unreal!!

#UTM

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 17, 2022, 05:23:07 PM
For the winning team to abuse the ref takes it to another level. Thought the ref was fine, maybe missed a foot-block on Jerome Johnson in the 2nd half, but the umpires should have been more alert.
We urgently need a change in culture; if this kind of abuse happens in a showpiece, televised game, imagine what it's like at lower levels. Hate to compare us to rugby, but their discipline really does put us to shame
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 18, 2022, 09:44:02 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 17, 2022, 01:14:51 PM
Massive win for Carryduff v Clonduff, I cannot remember them being over strong at this level during underage?

Carryduff have a lot of depth available at this age group if truth be told.  Plus a decent sanction from DX.  I'd say they will fancy themselves for this but Burren will be favourites.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 18, 2022, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: outinfront on October 18, 2022, 09:44:02 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 17, 2022, 01:14:51 PM
Massive win for Carryduff v Clonduff, I cannot remember them being over strong at this level during underage?

Carryduff have a lot of depth available at this age group if truth be told.  Plus a decent sanction from DX.  I'd say they will fancy themselves for this but Burren will be favourites.

why do they take sanctions? Co board should not allow this
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 18, 2022, 11:46:12 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 18, 2022, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: outinfront on October 18, 2022, 09:44:02 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 17, 2022, 01:14:51 PM
Massive win for Carryduff v Clonduff, I cannot remember them being over strong at this level during underage?

Carryduff have a lot of depth available at this age group if truth be told.  Plus a decent sanction from DX.  I'd say they will fancy themselves for this but Burren will be favourites.

why do they take sanctions? Co board should not allow this

Any team can take a certain number of sanctions - how many lads are we talking about? If it's 1 or 2 is it not better than them not playing at all? I've no side in that fight by the way.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mourneman9194 on October 18, 2022, 01:37:06 PM
An excellent weekend of football finals we've just had. I thought the quality across the board was very good, and as other posters have highlighted, I expect to see several who featured in the senior final to be in Lavery's panel. Congrats to Kilcoo, Saval, and Teconnaught and best of luck to them for their Ulster campaign. I can't help but feel for Warrenpoint, what a battling performance they put in, some very good individual performances all over the pitch. Thoroughly enjoyed the intermediate final as well on Saturday, wasn't expecting that result and Saval full value for their win. Fantastic goal by McCarthy, completely changed the game. A very good start to Danny Hughes managerial career, promotion with Castlewellan last year and now a championship win with his home club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 18, 2022, 02:46:12 PM
Danny would be a good addition to Conor backroom team but ill say he will want to take Saval back to division one. Saval were always strong in the 80s and they seem to be going in the right direction.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on October 18, 2022, 03:23:35 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 18, 2022, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: outinfront on October 18, 2022, 09:44:02 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 17, 2022, 01:14:51 PM
Massive win for Carryduff v Clonduff, I cannot remember them being over strong at this level during underage?

Carryduff have a lot of depth available at this age group if truth be told.  Plus a decent sanction from DX.  I'd say they will fancy themselves for this but Burren will be favourites.

why do they take sanctions? Co board should not allow this

Nothing to do with Co Board
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 18, 2022, 03:32:47 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 18, 2022, 03:23:35 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 18, 2022, 11:22:57 AM
Quote from: outinfront on October 18, 2022, 09:44:02 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 17, 2022, 01:14:51 PM
Massive win for Carryduff v Clonduff, I cannot remember them being over strong at this level during underage?

Carryduff have a lot of depth available at this age group if truth be told.  Plus a decent sanction from DX.  I'd say they will fancy themselves for this but Burren will be favourites.

why do they take sanctions? Co board should not allow this

Nothing to do with Co Board
Its everything to do with them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 18, 2022, 03:54:11 PM
Quote from: mourneman9194 on October 18, 2022, 01:37:06 PM
An excellent weekend of football finals we've just had. I thought the quality across the board was very good, and as other posters have highlighted, I expect to see several who featured in the senior final to be in Lavery's panel. Congrats to Kilcoo, Saval, and Teconnaught and best of luck to them for their Ulster campaign. I can't help but feel for Warrenpoint, what a battling performance they put in, some very good individual performances all over the pitch. Thoroughly enjoyed the intermediate final as well on Saturday, wasn't expecting that result and Saval full value for their win. Fantastic goal by McCarthy, completely changed the game. A very good start to Danny Hughes managerial career, promotion with Castlewellan last year and now a championship win with his home club.

If im not mistaken this isnt his first rodeo. hes been involved with a few clubs before this has he not?.Shamrocks maybe and another in Armagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 18, 2022, 05:29:42 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 18, 2022, 03:54:11 PM
Quote from: mourneman9194 on October 18, 2022, 01:37:06 PM
An excellent weekend of football finals we've just had. I thought the quality across the board was very good, and as other posters have highlighted, I expect to see several who featured in the senior final to be in Lavery's panel. Congrats to Kilcoo, Saval, and Teconnaught and best of luck to them for their Ulster campaign. I can't help but feel for Warrenpoint, what a battling performance they put in, some very good individual performances all over the pitch. Thoroughly enjoyed the intermediate final as well on Saturday, wasn't expecting that result and Saval full value for their win. Fantastic goal by McCarthy, completely changed the game. A very good start to Danny Hughes managerial career, promotion with Castlewellan last year and now a championship win with his home club.

If im not mistaken this isnt his first rodeo. hes been involved with a few clubs before this has he not?.Shamrocks maybe and another in Armagh.

Carrickcruppin if memory serves correct
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 18, 2022, 06:12:33 PM
Fun fact. Benny and Danny was the management team for Carrick cruppen that year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 19, 2022, 06:15:52 PM
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on October 18, 2022, 06:12:33 PM
Fun fact. Benny and Danny was the management team for Carrick cruppen that year.

Fun fact - they also got relegated when the two lads were over them!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on October 19, 2022, 08:41:39 PM
Aww now why you gotta go and bring facts into the equation.
Not a fan of the hype??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 20, 2022, 05:04:07 PM
 Nephew's mate made the wider County Minor Panel.Trying to get sight of it and will update.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 20, 2022, 07:16:36 PM
Be better for that young lad not to preview it to anyone if CL wants to keep things tight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on October 20, 2022, 10:57:26 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 20, 2022, 05:04:07 PM
Nephew's mate made the wider County Minor Panel.Trying to get sight of it and will update.

Why would you be blurting that out. Let Laverty get on with the job in hand
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 20, 2022, 11:10:20 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 20, 2022, 10:57:26 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 20, 2022, 05:04:07 PM
Nephew's mate made the wider County Minor Panel.Trying to get sight of it and will update.

Why would you be blurting that out. Let Laverty get on with the job in hand
Oops!I meant to say Minor Football panel.Too much drink after Sat night. :D :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 21, 2022, 09:06:41 AM
Quote from: SamFever on October 20, 2022, 11:10:20 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 20, 2022, 10:57:26 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 20, 2022, 05:04:07 PM
Nephew's mate made the wider County Minor Panel.Trying to get sight of it and will update.

Why would you be blurting that out. Let Laverty get on with the job in hand
Oops!I meant to say Minor Football panel.Too much drink after Sat night. :D :D

Who is on it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on October 21, 2022, 11:37:24 AM
Quote from: SamFever on October 20, 2022, 11:10:20 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 20, 2022, 10:57:26 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 20, 2022, 05:04:07 PM
Nephew's mate made the wider County Minor Panel.Trying to get sight of it and will update.

Why would you be blurting that out. Let Laverty get on with the job in hand
Oops!I meant to say Minor Football panel.Too much drink after Sat night. :D :D

I imagine you are one of the "Outlook reading Maxwell House drinking Twitterati" who loves to be thought of as "in the know".Should try a change of scenery and get down to the Busy Bee for fresh source of gossip
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 21, 2022, 12:13:51 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 21, 2022, 11:37:24 AM
Quote from: SamFever on October 20, 2022, 11:10:20 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 20, 2022, 10:57:26 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 20, 2022, 05:04:07 PM
Nephew's mate made the wider County Minor Panel.Trying to get sight of it and will update.

Why would you be blurting that out. Let Laverty get on with the job in hand
Oops!I meant to say Minor Football panel.Too much drink after Sat night. :D :D

I imagine you are one of the "Outlook reading Maxwell House drinking Twitterati" who loves to be thought of as "in the know".Should try a change of scenery and get down to the Busy Bee for fresh source of gossip

The latte drinking liberal elite are only allowed in the busy bee
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 21, 2022, 12:50:27 PM
Apparently 22 clubs in Down are currently looking for senior football managers at present,
Some rat race going on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 21, 2022, 02:29:58 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2022, 12:50:27 PM
Apparently 22 clubs in Down are currently looking for senior football managers at present,
Some rat race going on
Some big expense claims be going in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 21, 2022, 02:54:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2022, 09:06:41 AM
Quote from: SamFever on October 20, 2022, 11:10:20 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 20, 2022, 10:57:26 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 20, 2022, 05:04:07 PM
Nephew's mate made the wider County Minor Panel.Trying to get sight of it and will update.

Why would you be blurting that out. Let Laverty get on with the job in hand
Oops!I meant to say Minor Football panel.Too much drink after Sat night. :D :D

Who is on it?
Lots of 'Bridge players(Benny being the Manager).Going down the Secondary Schools route(Benny being Manager).Abbey/College ones been tried over the years and failed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 21, 2022, 02:56:04 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 21, 2022, 02:29:58 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2022, 12:50:27 PM
Apparently 22 clubs in Down are currently looking for senior football managers at present,
Some rat race going on
Some big expense claims be going in
Not too many having a bigger outlay than your own Club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 21, 2022, 04:40:49 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 21, 2022, 02:54:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2022, 09:06:41 AM
Quote from: SamFever on October 20, 2022, 11:10:20 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 20, 2022, 10:57:26 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 20, 2022, 05:04:07 PM
Nephew's mate made the wider County Minor Panel.Trying to get sight of it and will update.

Why would you be blurting that out. Let Laverty get on with the job in hand
Oops!I meant to say Minor Football panel.Too much drink after Sat night. :D :D

Who is on it?
Lots of 'Bridge players(Benny being the Manager).Going down the Secondary Schools route(Benny being Manager).Abbey/College ones been tried over the years and failed.

Post the squad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 21, 2022, 05:41:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2022, 04:40:49 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 21, 2022, 02:54:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2022, 09:06:41 AM
Quote from: SamFever on October 20, 2022, 11:10:20 PM
Quote from: Godsown on October 20, 2022, 10:57:26 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 20, 2022, 05:04:07 PM
Nephew's mate made the wider County Minor Panel.Trying to get sight of it and will update.

Why would you be blurting that out. Let Laverty get on with the job in hand
Oops!I meant to say Minor Football panel.Too much drink after Sat night. :D :D

Who is on it?
Lots of 'Bridge players(Benny being the Manager).Going down the Secondary Schools route(Benny being Manager).Abbey/College ones been tried over the years and failed.

Post the squad

eoin   braniff   annaclone
cormac small   attical
charlie mcgrath   ballyholland
james murphy   ballyholland
james ohanlon   ballyholland
jamie mcferran   ballyholland
darren doherty   bosco
rian mcgorrian   bryansford
ben ward           burren
cormac ward   burren
shea   begley   burren
liam   blaney   carryduff
peter   merchent   carryduff
callum green   clonduff
conor ward   clonduff
rory   ferran   clonduff
cormac duffy   darragh cross
ben   cassidy   drumaness
conor armstrong  drumaness
niall   flanagan   drumaness
dara   mcaleenan    drumgath
eoghan travers  drumgath
corey trainor     dundrum
adam mcann-gibbs glenn
lorcan ward   kilcoo
tadgh ohanlon   kilcoo
luke   quinn   kingdom
luke   rafferty   kingdom
cory   clerkin   bridge
daniel mcmahon   bridge
daire   okeefe   bridge
darragh poland   bridge
kieran mcpolin   bridge
patrick woods   bridge
niall howlett   point
ben farrell          rostrevor
darragh saul   saval
corey loughran   shamrocks
matthew murray  teconnaught
oisin   casement   teconnaught
Adam Doran      town
enan   fitzsimons   town
gerard doran   town
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 21, 2022, 07:25:06 PM
Quote from: SamFever on October 21, 2022, 02:56:04 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 21, 2022, 02:29:58 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2022, 12:50:27 PM
Apparently 22 clubs in Down are currently looking for senior football managers at present,
Some rat race going on
Some big expense claims be going in
Not too many having a bigger outlay than your own Club.
how much is our outlay as I would love to know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 21, 2022, 09:02:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 21, 2022, 12:50:27 PM
Apparently 22 clubs in Down are currently looking for senior football managers at present,
Some rat race going on

Out of curiosity can you name them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 21, 2022, 10:10:52 PM
Bryansford
Clonduff
Mayobridge (looking a coach as poacher stays as manager)
Burren (looking a coach as Adam's is gone)
CPN looking both a manager and coach
Rostrevor (manager)
Downpatrick
Castlewellan
Glenn
Attical
East Belfast
St Paul's
Tullylish
Shamrocks

That's 14 I can think of or have heard are on the lookout..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 21, 2022, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 21, 2022, 10:10:52 PM
Bryansford
Clonduff
Mayobridge (looking a coach as poacher stays as manager)
Burren (looking a coach as Adam's is gone)
CPN looking both a manager and coach
Rostrevor (manager)
Downpatrick
Castlewellan
Glenn
Attical
East Belfast
St Paul's
Tullylish
Shamrocks

That's 14 I can think of or have heard are on the lookout..

CPN???
I'd have thought they were delighted with their season!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 21, 2022, 11:11:16 PM
Polie going to down senior ladies and Mulholland has work commitments
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 21, 2022, 11:36:45 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 21, 2022, 11:11:16 PM
Polie going to down senior ladies and Mulholland has work commitments
Blah Bhal! Bluffers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 22, 2022, 09:02:31 AM
Unsure Shane Mulholland and Mark Poland have achieved more at underage football than you have throughout your career

I'd say your one of these lads who never kicked a ball but have plenty to say

A wee fat loner who doesn't get a word in around your club

Losers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 22, 2022, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 22, 2022, 09:02:31 AM
Unsure Shane Mulholland and Mark Poland have achieved more at underage football than you have throughout your career

I'd say your one of these lads who never kicked a ball but have plenty to say

A wee fat loner who doesn't get a word in around your club

Losers

A "wee fat loner"  and "losers", really mature, interesting and worthwhile contribution there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on October 22, 2022, 10:39:18 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 22, 2022, 09:02:31 AM
Unsure Shane Mulholland and Mark Poland have achieved more at underage football than you have throughout your career

I'd say your one of these lads who never kicked a ball but have plenty to say

A wee fat loner who doesn't get a word in around your club

Losers
That hurt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 22, 2022, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 22, 2022, 09:02:31 AM
Unsure Shane Mulholland and Mark Poland have achieved more at underage football than you have throughout your career

I'd say your one of these lads who never kicked a ball but have plenty to say

A wee fat loner who doesn't get a word in around your club

Losers

Can you clarify who this is directed at?

Not sure whether to be offended or not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 23, 2022, 01:00:54 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 21, 2022, 10:10:52 PM
Bryansford
Clonduff
Mayobridge (looking a coach as poacher stays as manager)
Burren (looking a coach as Adam's is gone)
CPN looking both a manager and coach
Rostrevor (manager)
Downpatrick
Castlewellan
Glenn
Attical
East Belfast
St Paul's
Tullylish
Shamrocks

That's 14 I can think of or have heard are on the lookout..

Away and check your sources.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 23, 2022, 01:08:37 PM


Away and check your sources.
[/quote]

Where have I gone wrong?? Most of the clubs above have advertised on social media..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 23, 2022, 01:48:52 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 23, 2022, 01:08:37 PM


Away and check your sources.

Where have I gone wrong?? Most of the clubs above have advertised on social media..
[/quote]

Unless you aware of something no one else is, or you are Benny in disguise, Rostrevor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 23, 2022, 02:38:29 PM


Unless you aware of something no one else is, or you are Benny in disguise, Rostrevor.
[/quote]

Just heard it from a member of rostrevor committee that's all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 23, 2022, 04:53:50 PM
Watching the armagh final here on armagh tv.

It's watchable but Down TV is streets ahead. Fair play to all involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on October 23, 2022, 05:36:17 PM
What about the standard of football in comparison ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 23, 2022, 05:55:46 PM
Watched it myself, apart from Crossmaglen the standard in Armagh in my opinion is poor enough, Cross did win easy but watching them play is easy on the eye compared to the endless fist passing and negative play we see in Down week in week out, if they overcome Ballybay them and Kilcoo would be very interesting!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on October 23, 2022, 05:58:11 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on October 23, 2022, 05:36:17 PM
What about the standard of football in comparison ?
There's a couple of clubs that are intermediate standard in the Armagh championship and on todays showing you'd be forgiven for thinking Granemore were one of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 23, 2022, 06:32:25 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on October 23, 2022, 05:36:17 PM
What about the standard of football in comparison ?

Wasn't great. Granemore reminded me of how so many teams Approach Kilcoo; over coached to the point of paralysis - zero risks apart occasionally lumping it long, ending up as their entire output. .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 23, 2022, 07:50:34 PM
Mickey Donnelly into the Down setup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 23, 2022, 08:00:40 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 23, 2022, 06:32:25 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on October 23, 2022, 05:36:17 PM
What about the standard of football in comparison ?

Wasn't great. Granemore reminded me of how so many teams Approach Kilcoo; over coached to the point of paralysis - zero risks apart occasionally lumping it long, ending up as their entire output. .

The amount of money the McAleenans and Sloan are on - they would need to be coached to paralysis. How someone who has won absolutely zero at club level manager can walk into a club and ask for that sort of money is beyond me. He may feel he earned it by being at CPN and getting pittance but developed us. Still won nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on October 23, 2022, 09:17:37 PM
 cross to beat kilcoo ??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 23, 2022, 09:26:52 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 23, 2022, 08:00:40 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 23, 2022, 06:32:25 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on October 23, 2022, 05:36:17 PM
What about the standard of football in comparison ?

Wasn't great. Granemore reminded me of how so many teams Approach Kilcoo; over coached to the point of paralysis - zero risks apart occasionally lumping it long, ending up as their entire output. .

The amount of money the McAleenans and Sloan are on - they would need to be coached to paralysis. How someone who has won absolutely zero at club level manager can walk into a club and ask for that sort of money is beyond me. He may feel he earned it by being at CPN and getting pittance but developed us. Still won nothing.

I'm surprised they'd tell you what they get.
You must be very great with them.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 10:21:36 AM
the u20 competition is turning into a farce

good appointment with Mickey Donnelly coming in, I am excited as a Down supporter for the coming year. We have the right men in our set ups and we have a lot to look forward to.
Lavo, Marty, Donnelly, Benny, Darren and Donal know what it takes o be a county player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 24, 2022, 10:24:23 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 10:21:36 AM
the u20 competition is turning into a farce

good appointment with Mickey Donnelly coming in, I am excited as a Down supporter for the coming year. We have the right men in our set ups and we have a lot to look forward to.
Lavo, Marty, Donnelly, Benny, Darren and Donal know what it takes o be a county player.

What's wrong with the u20 competition?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 24, 2022, 10:27:29 AM
I'm interested in learning this too Truth Hurts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 10:51:35 AM
Downpatrick and Longstone didn't field yesterday, it's fair to say that's farcical.

Carryduff hammering teams after taking players in on sanctions (when They were already strong),  it's also fair to say that's farcical.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 24, 2022, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 10:51:35 AM
Downpatrick and Longstone didn't field yesterday, it's fair to say that's farcical.

Carryduff hammering teams after taking players in on sanctions (when They were already strong),  it's also fair to say that's farcical.

On the first point, it highlights the constant problem with this age group. Someone in a club will do a headcount of available players, and if there's enough they will enter. But if numbers are tight, it won't take much more than a handful of injuries and walkaways to arrive at not fielding. I think there is an inevitability about this each year: it'll always happen to one or two clubs.

But your second point isn't fair at all. The situation that County Board has created, whereby players from clubs that cannot field, can gain a temporary sanction to another club, is actually a good partial solution to this problem; for it mitigates internal club pressure to enter a competition when will likely struggle to field.

I know you think there might be a perfect solution here whereby the county board intervenes on every sanction and forces the players to "under-subscribed" teams only. But there's not. By virtue of entering a competition a club has indicated that they have the player numbers already in place, to compete. Which means that technically every one of them is "over-subscribed" and have no need for sanctioned help.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on October 24, 2022, 12:09:18 PM
Down senior team started training yesterday
Any word on the newcomers to the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 12:22:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 24, 2022, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 10:51:35 AM
Downpatrick and Longstone didn't field yesterday, it's fair to say that's farcical.

Carryduff hammering teams after taking players in on sanctions (when They were already strong),  it's also fair to say that's farcical.

On the first point, it highlights the constant problem with this age group. Someone in a club will do a headcount of available players, and if there's enough they will enter. But if numbers are tight, it won't take much more than a handful of injuries and walkaways to arrive at not fielding. I think there is an inevitability about this each year: it'll always happen to one or two clubs.

But your second point isn't fair at all. The situation that County Board has created, whereby players from clubs that cannot field, can gain a temporary sanction to another club, is actually a good partial solution to this problem; for it mitigates internal club pressure to enter a competition when will likely struggle to field.

I know you think there might be a perfect solution here whereby the county board intervenes on every sanction and forces the players to "under-subscribed" teams only. But there's not. By virtue of entering a competition a club has indicated that they have the player numbers already in place, to compete. Which means that technically every one of them is "over-subscribed" and have no need for sanctioned help.

A club with the catchment of Carryduff should not be allowed a sanction, it defeats the purpose of this competition. They hammered the Point yesterday and fair play to Warrenpoint who played A when they could have hid in the B competion like a few other big named clubs, The county board should be sayng where teams play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 23, 2022, 08:00:40 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 23, 2022, 06:32:25 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on October 23, 2022, 05:36:17 PM
What about the standard of football in comparison ?

Wasn't great. Granemore reminded me of how so many teams Approach Kilcoo; over coached to the point of paralysis - zero risks apart occasionally lumping it long, ending up as their entire output. .

The amount of money the McAleenans and Sloan are on - they would need to be coached to paralysis. How someone who has won absolutely zero at club level manager can walk into a club and ask for that sort of money is beyond me. He may feel he earned it by being at CPN and getting pittance but developed us. Still won nothing.

McAleenan took Warrenpoint to a senior final playing a great brand of football yet you still are spiteful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on October 24, 2022, 12:51:35 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 12:22:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 24, 2022, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 10:51:35 AM
Downpatrick and Longstone didn't field yesterday, it's fair to say that's farcical.

Carryduff hammering teams after taking players in on sanctions (when They were already strong),  it's also fair to say that's farcical.

On the first point, it highlights the constant problem with this age group. Someone in a club will do a headcount of available players, and if there's enough they will enter. But if numbers are tight, it won't take much more than a handful of injuries and walkaways to arrive at not fielding. I think there is an inevitability about this each year: it'll always happen to one or two clubs.

But your second point isn't fair at all. The situation that County Board has created, whereby players from clubs that cannot field, can gain a temporary sanction to another club, is actually a good partial solution to this problem; for it mitigates internal club pressure to enter a competition when will likely struggle to field.

I know you think there might be a perfect solution here whereby the county board intervenes on every sanction and forces the players to "under-subscribed" teams only. But there's not. By virtue of entering a competition a club has indicated that they have the player numbers already in place, to compete. Which means that technically every one of them is "over-subscribed" and have no need for sanctioned help.

A club with the catchment of Carryduff should not be allowed a sanction, it defeats the purpose of this competition. They hammered the Point yesterday and fair play to Warrenpoint who played A when they could have hid in the B competion like a few other big named clubs, The county board should be sayng where teams play.

So on that basis, a player from a club unable to field a team is not allowed to play for a nearby club because they are 'too strong', and is left with two options: travel a considerable distance to a club which is, by definition, weaker, or sit out the year entirely?

That's a good way to keep young players interested in the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 01:03:53 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 24, 2022, 12:51:35 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 12:22:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 24, 2022, 11:56:51 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 10:51:35 AM
Downpatrick and Longstone didn't field yesterday, it's fair to say that's farcical.

Carryduff hammering teams after taking players in on sanctions (when They were already strong),  it's also fair to say that's farcical.

On the first point, it highlights the constant problem with this age group. Someone in a club will do a headcount of available players, and if there's enough they will enter. But if numbers are tight, it won't take much more than a handful of injuries and walkaways to arrive at not fielding. I think there is an inevitability about this each year: it'll always happen to one or two clubs.

But your second point isn't fair at all. The situation that County Board has created, whereby players from clubs that cannot field, can gain a temporary sanction to another club, is actually a good partial solution to this problem; for it mitigates internal club pressure to enter a competition when will likely struggle to field.

I know you think there might be a perfect solution here whereby the county board intervenes on every sanction and forces the players to "under-subscribed" teams only. But there's not. By virtue of entering a competition a club has indicated that they have the player numbers already in place, to compete. Which means that technically every one of them is "over-subscribed" and have no need for sanctioned help.

A club with the catchment of Carryduff should not be allowed a sanction, it defeats the purpose of this competition. They hammered the Point yesterday and fair play to Warrenpoint who played A when they could have hid in the B competion like a few other big named clubs, The county board should be sayng where teams play.

So on that basis, a player from a club unable to field a team is not allowed to play for a nearby club because they are 'too strong', and is left with two options: travel a considerable distance to a club which is, by definition, weaker, or sit out the year entirely?

That's a good way to keep young players interested in the game.

Darragh Cross maybe go to Loughinisland and push them up to A championship

Bredagh who should be in A beat Shamrocks by 29 points yesterday, that a good way to keep the Newry lads interested!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 24, 2022, 01:06:31 PM
Yet just beat Bryansford and were well beat by Annaclone last week...Shamrocks shipped heavy defeats in all 3 games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 24, 2022, 01:43:36 PM
Quote from: outinfront on October 24, 2022, 01:06:31 PM
Yet just beat Bryansford and were well beat by Annaclone last week...Shamrocks shipped heavy defeats in all 3 games

There probably could be a third competition level but there'd most likely be a club in it that somebody else thinks shouldn't be. There's always going to be mismatches unfortunately.

Maybe another competition from this week for the lowest placed teams would help.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 02:00:02 PM
Quote from: outinfront on October 24, 2022, 01:06:31 PM
Yet just beat Bryansford and were well beat by Annaclone last week...Shamrocks shipped heavy defeats in all 3 games

Carryduff
Bredagh
Clonduff
Burren
Kilcoo
Mayobridge
Bryansford
and now Ballyholland Harps are A championship teams at underage 95% of the time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on October 24, 2022, 02:12:40 PM
Yes but you have to take into account what players from the relevant age groups are actually available in any given year.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: outinfront on October 24, 2022, 02:12:40 PM
Yes but you have to take into account what players from the relevant age groups are actually available in any given year.

That's easy, go back to the last 4 all-county minor league and championships. Bryansford, Ballyholland, and Bredagh should have been pushed up but  because Burren are so strong they decided to hide in B championship. That's unfair on smaller clubs, very unfair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 24, 2022, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: outinfront on October 24, 2022, 02:12:40 PM
Yes but you have to take into account what players from the relevant age groups are actually available in any given year.

That's easy, go back to the last 4 all-county minor league and championships. Bryansford, Ballyholland, and Bredagh should have been pushed up but  because Burren are so strong they decided to hide in B championship. That's unfair on smaller clubs, very unfair.

We started a 13-a-side under-20 match yesterday with 4 x u17s.

But you seem to know better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 24, 2022, 03:36:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: outinfront on October 24, 2022, 02:12:40 PM
Yes but you have to take into account what players from the relevant age groups are actually available in any given year.

That's easy, go back to the last 4 all-county minor league and championships. Bryansford, Ballyholland, and Bredagh should have been pushed up but  because Burren are so strong they decided to hide in B championship. That's unfair on smaller clubs, very unfair.

Suppose none of those players have university abroad and are just sitting around at home for an U20 Championship...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 24, 2022, 03:47:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 10:21:36 AM
the u20 competition is turning into a farce

good appointment with Mickey Donnelly coming in, I am excited as a Down supporter for the coming year. We have the right men in our set ups and we have a lot to look forward to.
Lavo, Marty, Donnelly, Benny, Darren and Donal know what it takes o be a county player.

Describe how it is a good appointment? You must not venture further than those local cafes you get your misinformation from. Donnelly was with Tyrone club Ardboe for 3 seasons and couldn't even win one senior championship match. He cost the club a lot of money along with his in-house backroom team who were also getting paid, Ardboe relieved to get rid of them all. I wouldn't be getting too excited, he was at least the sixth man approached and took a lot of convincing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 03:59:52 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 24, 2022, 03:47:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 10:21:36 AM
the u20 competition is turning into a farce

good appointment with Mickey Donnelly coming in, I am excited as a Down supporter for the coming year. We have the right men in our set ups and we have a lot to look forward to.
Lavo, Marty, Donnelly, Benny, Darren and Donal know what it takes o be a county player.

Describe how it is a good appointment? You must not venture further than those local cafes you get your misinformation from. Donnelly was with Tyrone club Ardboe for 3 seasons and couldn't even win one senior championship match. He cost the club a lot of money along with his in-house backroom team who were also getting paid, Ardboe relieved to get rid of them all. I wouldn't be getting too excited, he was at least the sixth man approached and took a lot of convincing.

Coaches St Ronans to win a McRory and Hogan, Derry to u20 Ulster, Mayobridge to 2 senior finals, coached Ballybay and Ardboe to reach senior finals, his track record is impressive.
At least 6? WWho was prior to him ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 24, 2022, 06:15:05 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on September 22, 2022, 04:24:50 PM
Laverty has managed to convince Johnny Davis to join the backroom team next season as strength and conditioning coach, although disappointingly 4 prominent coaches have turned down a selectors role with him. He's really struggling to add to Morgan and Clarke. His former Kilcoo team mate Darragh O'Hanlon will manage the county U20 side.

Truth Hurts really surprise with your "inside knowledge" you didn't know this 5 weeks ago when I posted. Need to be careful naming names but Gilligan, Mal O'Rourke, Banty, are certainly 3 who turned it down and Donnelly was knocked out of the Tyrone championship 5 weeks ago so why not announce it then???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bridgegael on October 24, 2022, 06:20:31 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 24, 2022, 03:47:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 10:21:36 AM
the u20 competition is turning into a farce

good appointment with Mickey Donnelly coming in, I am excited as a Down supporter for the coming year. We have the right men in our set ups and we have a lot to look forward to.
Lavo, Marty, Donnelly, Benny, Darren and Donal know what it takes o be a county player.

Describe how it is a good appointment? You must not venture further than those local cafes you get your misinformation from. Donnelly was with Tyrone club Ardboe for 3 seasons and couldn't even win one senior championship match. He cost the club a lot of money along with his in-house backroom team who were also getting paid, Ardboe relieved to get rid of them all. I wouldn't be getting too excited, he was at least the sixth man approached and took a lot of convincing.

Mickey got Ardboe to county final and were only beat by a penalty in last kick of the game, so at least when you are running the man down get your facts right.
A very good appointment for Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 24, 2022, 08:02:11 PM


McAleenan took Warrenpoint to a senior final playing a great brand of football yet you still are spiteful.
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Great brand of football my ass. We were still beaten in that final don't forget. At the end of the day all anyone is concerned about is silverware. Yet again he has failed to deliver yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 24, 2022, 08:23:52 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on October 24, 2022, 06:20:31 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 24, 2022, 03:47:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 10:21:36 AM
the u20 competition is turning into a farce

good appointment with Mickey Donnelly coming in, I am excited as a Down supporter for the coming year. We have the right men in our set ups and we have a lot to look forward to.
Lavo, Marty, Donnelly, Benny, Darren and Donal know what it takes o be a county player.

Describe how it is a good appointment? You must not venture further than those local cafes you get your misinformation from. Donnelly was with Tyrone club Ardboe for 3 seasons and couldn't even win one senior championship match. He cost the club a lot of money along with his in-house backroom team who were also getting paid, Ardboe relieved to get rid of them all. I wouldn't be getting too excited, he was at least the sixth man approached and took a lot of convincing.

Mickey got Ardboe to county final and were only beat by a penalty in last kick of the game, so at least when you are running the man down get your facts right.
A very good appointment for Down.

Excellent addition to the set up.
Brings a ton of experience.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 24, 2022, 08:28:46 PM
I'd be very surprised if the 20th ranked team in any sport have ever got their first or second choice personnel.

Mickey Donnelly would seem very well thought of amongst players, he has heaps of experience and he's familiar with Down football. I don't see any downsides here myself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Take_her_back_ref on October 24, 2022, 11:07:02 PM
Quote from: bridgegael on October 24, 2022, 06:20:31 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 24, 2022, 03:47:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 24, 2022, 10:21:36 AM
the u20 competition is turning into a farce

good appointment with Mickey Donnelly coming in, I am excited as a Down supporter for the coming year. We have the right men in our set ups and we have a lot to look forward to.
Lavo, Marty, Donnelly, Benny, Darren and Donal know what it takes o be a county player.

Describe how it is a good appointment? You must not venture further than those local cafes you get your misinformation from. Donnelly was with Tyrone club Ardboe for 3 seasons and couldn't even win one senior championship match. He cost the club a lot of money along with his in-house backroom team who were also getting paid, Ardboe relieved to get rid of them all. I wouldn't be getting too excited, he was at least the sixth man approached and took a lot of convincing.

Mickey got Ardboe to county final and were only beat by a penalty in last kick of the game, so at least when you are running the man down get your facts right.
A very good appointment for Down.

Sure that was 13 years ago. Returned to Ardboe 2 years ago and didn't win a championship game in that time. Ardboe's gain that he has moved on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 25, 2022, 08:58:09 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 24, 2022, 08:02:11 PM


McAleenan took Warrenpoint to a senior final playing a great brand of football yet you still are spiteful.

Great brand of football my ass. We were still beaten in that final don't forget. At the end of the day all anyone is concerned about is silverware. Yet again he has failed to deliver yesterday.
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You are a very poisonous and dangerous poster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on October 25, 2022, 09:02:29 AM
I was talking to someone who attended the Under 14 Girls County Finals on Saturday in Hilltown
Apparently the referee had to be locked in his dressing room for at least 30 mins after the game
Any truth in this story?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 25, 2022, 09:22:19 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 24, 2022, 08:28:46 PM
I'd be very surprised if the 20th ranked team in any sport have ever got their first or second choice personnel.

Mickey Donnelly would seem very well thought of amongst players, he has heaps of experience and he's familiar with Down football. I don't see any downsides here myself.

A very solid appointment, Down has a strong setup and we need to all get behind them. Far play to the county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 25, 2022, 09:44:18 AM
I rate niall mc aleenan. I was very impressed with him when he was at the point. He has done well with cranemore but I dont think they were simply not ready to win armagh yet. I think he has potential to be a future Down manager. I am not sure about mickey Donnelly but he has experience in the game and has good knowledge of the setup of the top team in ulster tyrone so that can only help our setup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 25, 2022, 12:21:28 PM
Quote from: razor on October 25, 2022, 09:02:29 AM
I was talking to someone who attended the Under 14 Girls County Finals on Saturday in Hilltown
Apparently the referee had to be locked in his dressing room for at least 30 mins after the game
Any truth in this story?

Camogie?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 25, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2022, 12:21:28 PM
Quote from: razor on October 25, 2022, 09:02:29 AM
I was talking to someone who attended the Under 14 Girls County Finals on Saturday in Hilltown
Apparently the referee had to be locked in his dressing room for at least 30 mins after the game
Any truth in this story?

Camogie?

Going by the website there was two lgfa finals, a u14 div E Tullyish hammered Drumgath

The u14 b final st Johns beat Bosco by two points

Both officals were from the Kilcoo club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 25, 2022, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 25, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2022, 12:21:28 PM
Quote from: razor on October 25, 2022, 09:02:29 AM
I was talking to someone who attended the Under 14 Girls County Finals on Saturday in Hilltown
Apparently the referee had to be locked in his dressing room for at least 30 mins after the game
Any truth in this story?

Camogie?

Going by the website there was two lgfa finals, a u14 div E Tullyish hammered Drumgath

The u14 b final st Johns beat Bosco by two points

Both officals were from the Kilcoo club
it was after the B final, disgraceful treatment of the referee. The person involved would be well enough known in the county and should be banned from mentoring any team again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 25, 2022, 02:09:25 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 25, 2022, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 25, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2022, 12:21:28 PM
Quote from: razor on October 25, 2022, 09:02:29 AM
I was talking to someone who attended the Under 14 Girls County Finals on Saturday in Hilltown
Apparently the referee had to be locked in his dressing room for at least 30 mins after the game
Any truth in this story?

Camogie?

Going by the website there was two lgfa finals, a u14 div E Tullyish hammered Drumgath

The u14 b final st Johns beat Bosco by two points

Both officals were from the Kilcoo club
it was after the B final, disgraceful treatment of the referee. The person involved would be well enough known in the county and should be banned from mentoring any team again

A quick nosey on facebook would tell you that the only male mentor for Newry Bosco is a referee himself?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 25, 2022, 02:17:01 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 25, 2022, 02:09:25 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 25, 2022, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 25, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2022, 12:21:28 PM
Quote from: razor on October 25, 2022, 09:02:29 AM
I was talking to someone who attended the Under 14 Girls County Finals on Saturday in Hilltown
Apparently the referee had to be locked in his dressing room for at least 30 mins after the game
Any truth in this story?

Camogie?

Going by the website there was two lgfa finals, a u14 div E Tullyish hammered Drumgath

The u14 b final st Johns beat Bosco by two points

Both officals were from the Kilcoo club
it was after the B final, disgraceful treatment of the referee. The person involved would be well enough known in the county and should be banned from mentoring any team again

A quick nosey on facebook would tell you that the only male mentor for Newry Bosco is a referee himself?
which makes what happened even worse
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on October 25, 2022, 03:08:15 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 25, 2022, 02:17:01 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 25, 2022, 02:09:25 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 25, 2022, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 25, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 25, 2022, 12:21:28 PM
Quote from: razor on October 25, 2022, 09:02:29 AM
I was talking to someone who attended the Under 14 Girls County Finals on Saturday in Hilltown
Apparently the referee had to be locked in his dressing room for at least 30 mins after the game
Any truth in this story?

Camogie?

Going by the website there was two lgfa finals, a u14 div E Tullyish hammered Drumgath

The u14 b final st Johns beat Bosco by two points

Both officals were from the Kilcoo club
it was after the B final, disgraceful treatment of the referee. The person involved would be well enough known in the county and should be banned from mentoring any team again

A quick nosey on facebook would tell you that the only male mentor for Newry Bosco is a referee himself?
which makes what happened even worse

Someone told me that the male mentor from Bosco is an Ulster Referee so you would think he should know better given the campaign recently about respecting referees.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 25, 2022, 07:24:53 PM
Is there a sanction that can ban for life?
If it is who I've seen mentioned then that just is unbelievable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 25, 2022, 08:34:28 PM
2 Clonduff officials had to escort the ref to his car and drive behind him to the road while Bosco man was still in the car park despite the fact Bosco players had left. Trying to excuse does nobody any favours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 26, 2022, 09:10:50 AM
Hearing reports of Cillian Laverty being touted for the vacant Town job. Anymore moves on the merry go round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 26, 2022, 11:49:51 AM
TH team of SFC 2022
1. Gary McMahon
2. Conor Fitzpatrick
3. Ryan McAvoy
4. Ruari McGivern
5. Micheal Rooney
6. John Boyle
7. C Docherty
8. Dylan Ward
9. Jamie Grant
10. Paul Devlin
11. Alan Davidson
12. Eoghan Byrne
13. Oisin Savage
14. Conor Laverty
15. Niall McGovern
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 26, 2022, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 26, 2022, 11:49:51 AM
TH team of SFC 2022
1. Gary McMahon
2. Conor Fitzpatrick
3. Ryan McAvoy
4. Ruari McGivern
5. Micheal Rooney
6. John Boyle
7. C Docherty
8. Dylan Ward
9. Jamie Grant
10. Paul Devlin
11. Alan Davidson
12. Eoghan Byrne
13. Oisin Savage
14. Conor Laverty
15. Niall McGovern

The wee number 7 for Castlewellan had a great championship. Name escapes me. Nickname gouch
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 26, 2022, 12:47:06 PM
Gareth McKibbon I think. Scored quite a few as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on October 27, 2022, 07:47:07 AM
Dean McLoughlin Loughinisland did rightly too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on October 27, 2022, 11:28:30 AM
Tinnelly from Ballyholland had a great campaign
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 2badteams on October 27, 2022, 01:15:39 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on October 27, 2022, 11:28:30 AM
Tinnelly from Ballyholland had a great campaign

Agreed. Was outstanding
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on October 27, 2022, 01:18:12 PM
Quote from: 2badteams on October 27, 2022, 01:15:39 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on October 27, 2022, 11:28:30 AM
Tinnelly from Ballyholland had a great campaign

Agreed. Was outstanding

Yes, at times him and Walsh where frightening
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 28, 2022, 05:54:39 PM
Any management positions been filled this week??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 28, 2022, 08:24:32 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 28, 2022, 05:54:39 PM
Any management positions been filled this week??

Silly season hasn't really gotten into full swing yet.

Busy Bee 🐝 will be buzzing for a while yet!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on October 30, 2022, 10:41:01 AM
Tough Leagues in Down for 2023.
Division 2 will be extremely competitive.

Division 1 (10 Teams)    
Kilcoo                     
Burren                         
Mayobridge                
Clonduff                         
Loughinisland                 
Carryduff                         
Bryansford                     
Warrenpoint                 
Bredagh                     
Longstone

Division 2 (10 Teams)                        
RGU   
Ballyholand
Castlewellan
Rostrevor
Saval
Glenn
Saul   
Liatroim
Drumgath   
Newry Shamrocks   
         
Division 3 (10 Teams)    
An Riocht                        
Darragh Cross                 
Annaclone                         
St Johns                         
Ballymartin             
Tullylish                     
Clann na Banna                 
Attical                         
St Pauls                     
Drumaness             

Division 4 (13 Teams)                                
Teconnaught                                 
Newry Bosco                                 
Aughlisnafinn
Bright
Dundrum   
Kilclief
East Belfast
Dromara
Ardglass   
Aghaderg   
Glassdrumman   
St Michaels
Newry Mitchels   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on October 30, 2022, 02:11:15 PM
If we could get 7 of the bigger clubs to put in a B team to a Div5 it might work. Top 13 would not be enough though. It would need to be 20 at least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 30, 2022, 03:45:43 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on October 30, 2022, 02:11:15 PM
If we could get 7 of the bigger clubs to put in a B team to a Div5 it might work. Top 13 would not be enough though. It would need to be 20 at least.

What would happen if the reserve teams were promoted?

Could see Kilcoo, Burren, bridge reserves playing in Div 2 or 3 at the expense of other clubs first teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 30, 2022, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on October 30, 2022, 02:11:15 PM
If we could get 7 of the bigger clubs to put in a B team to a Div5 it might work. Top 13 would not be enough though. It would need to be 20 at least.

The problem here isn't about whether this is a practical solution. it's a cultural problem.

Getting a group of players, administrators and spectators to go "away" on a Friday night when the first team are at home would take some getting used to. It would require riding out some bad times for a year or two before it becomes normalised. And I don't think people in this era have the patience to ride it out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 30, 2022, 07:29:10 PM


What would happen if the reserve teams were promoted?

Could see Kilcoo, Burren, bridge reserves playing in Div 2 or 3 at the expense of other clubs first teams.
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Why would this be such a bad thing? If a second 20 coming to play your senior team on a Friday night doesn't force that senior team to lift their standards - nothing ever will. I don't think it would be as straightforward for promotion as people think though. Looking at the divisions laid out in message above - these are seriously competitive - a CPN/Burren/Kilcoo/Mayobridge/Clonduff  second string just might struggle in some fixtures.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 30, 2022, 09:19:30 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 30, 2022, 07:29:10 PM


What would happen if the reserve teams were promoted?

Could see Kilcoo, Burren, bridge reserves playing in Div 2 or 3 at the expense of other clubs first teams.

Why would this be such a bad thing? If a second 20 coming to play your senior team on a Friday night doesn't force that senior team to lift their standards - nothing ever will. I don't think it would be as straightforward for promotion as people think though. Looking at the divisions laid out in message above - these are seriously competitive - a CPN/Burren/Kilcoo/Mayobridge/Clonduff  second string just might struggle in some fixtures.
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Reserve teams being promoted at the expense of smaller clubs won't do much for the development of those smaller clubs.
Not a bad idea in theory but few issues to be worked out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 31, 2022, 08:36:14 AM
If this was passed then the teams that would be playing in these lower leagues would be closer to a thirds team but the likes of Klcoo, and Mayobridge ,. Clonduff and Burren thirds teams would beat probably all division 4 teams  but as Wobbler said the issue is whether these clubs would have the desire to play a division 4 game when their seniors had a division 1 game at the same time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 31, 2022, 09:06:55 AM
Kilcoos thirds would walk division 4 and probably be in the hunt for promotion out of 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 31, 2022, 09:12:45 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 31, 2022, 09:06:55 AM
Kilcoos thirds would walk division 4 and probably be in the hunt for promotion out of 3

LOL Burren thirds would be promoted from Divison 3 then

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 31, 2022, 10:40:35 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 31, 2022, 09:06:55 AM
Kilcoos thirds would walk division 4 and probably be in the hunt for promotion out of 3

Very doubtful they would "walk div 4" and very dismissive of a number of clubs to suggest that would be the case, never mind the suggestion that div 3 would be easy for them.

In theory the idea of these reserve teams playing div 3/4 could encourage the "smaller" clubs to improve, but as mentioned the danger is a thirds team gets promoted to div 3 ahead of one of these clubs, and that actually hinders their development. Might only be one result that decides it, but it could lead to some of the "smaller" club's players becoming a little demotivated seeing the big clubs taking their place in the division above. Generally the div 3/4 clubs are there because the commitment isn't the same as the div 1/2 clubs, the county board should focus on figuring out how that issue is resolved first before introducing the reserve teams. Many of the "smaller" clubs have very talented players but can't get the numbers of dedicated players to allow them to push on, but supporters of div 1/2 clubs would probably be ignorant of that fact.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 31, 2022, 10:44:28 AM
If 3rds were actually 3rds team and didn't have players dropping down - Neither of those teams would get top 4 in Division 4. Some shite talked this morning on here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on October 31, 2022, 11:05:01 AM
3rds teams are 3rds teams. You can't drop down. The rules are clear for all too see. Kilcoo thirds I believe would walk 4 and finish top half 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 31, 2022, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 31, 2022, 11:05:01 AM
3rds teams are 3rds teams. You can't drop down. The rules are clear for all too see. Kilcoo thirds I believe would walk 4 and finish top half 3

Teconnaught, Dromara, Bosco, Finn, Kilcief - Would beat them and have beat them in challenge games over the years. Also going away to Ardglass isn't a nice trip to the seaside.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on October 31, 2022, 11:30:34 AM
Burren, Kilcoo, Bridge and Clonduff 3rds would beat these teams and I know for a fact that they have in the past in challenge games before championship. But these lads would need to have a mentality change if their seniors playing at home against a team mentioned above and then they have to go away to an ardglass. Extremely tough one for lads. Crossmaglen do it well would maybe need to ask how it works there and their players mentality as it's a hard sell.

Any word on new names on down panel or even names of players that haven't come back?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on October 31, 2022, 11:50:25 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 31, 2022, 11:05:01 AM
3rds teams are 3rds teams. You can't drop down. The rules are clear for all too see. Kilcoo thirds I believe would walk 4 and finish top half 3
Cross IIs play in Div2B Armagh and weren't a mile off reaching 2A. They are an entirely separate panel from their senior squad. You can't drop down in the middle of the season to play for the IIs. You can get called up to play for the seniors but again can't drop down once you've played a minute at senior level.

Cross also have a reserve team which played in the reserve league & championship (winning the championship final handily - no mean feat!). This is where things get confusing - I'm not entirely sure their reserves are a "3rds" team as such, especially when it comes to reserve championship. To win the final so convincingly against a strong Harps side leads me to suspect that anyone in their club (senior or intermediate panel) who didn't play championship at senior/intermediate level the previous season was eligible to play for the reserve's championship side.

Killeavy also enter a IIs side - they are a below average junior team and they also have or did have a reserve team who are fairly decent. Cullyhanna, Dromintee & Clann Éireann in recent years experimented with IIs teams, Cullyhanna probably the most successful of those but they have all since withdrawn and only field reserve sides.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 31, 2022, 12:27:54 PM


Very doubtful they would "walk div 4" and very dismissive of a number of clubs to suggest that would be the case, never mind the suggestion that div 3 would be easy for them.

In theory the idea of these reserve teams playing div 3/4 could encourage the "smaller" clubs to improve, but as mentioned the danger is a thirds team gets promoted to div 3 ahead of one of these clubs, and that actually hinders their development. Might only be one result that decides it,
Code Select
but it could lead to some of the "smaller" club's players becoming a little demotivated seeing the big clubs taking their place in the division above.[/b] Generally the div 3/4 clubs are there because the commitment isn't the same as the div 1/2 clubs, the county board should focus on figuring out how that issue is resolved first before introducing the reserve teams. Many of the "smaller" clubs have very talented players but can't get the numbers of dedicated players to allow them to push on, but supporters of div 1/2 clubs would probably be ignorant of that fact.
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Becoming a little demotivated - well then make sure it doesn't happen.. it's not rocket science. If the division 4 clubs can't raise themselves on a Friday night to play a second string opposition from a so called big club - they need to look at themselves and ask why are they playing at all. The nature of the game is competitive - surely these "talented players" realise that and realise that in order to improve or maintain their levels they need to be seen to compete against these teams. I just believe division 4 clubs in particular are in a wee comfort zone and know they will pick up points here and there throughout the season and might have one or two challenges with teams around their level. That's why they don't improve - that's why we get very few players from division 4 who have a sustained period on the county team.
Another poster talked about Armagh leagues and missed one vital thing - Crossmaglen/Killeavy/Cullyhanna etc have won 3 junior championships between them in over 20 years of this happening. It's run correctly by the clubs and county board and for other clubs in the lower leagues - they had to up their game to compete - and they did just that. It's time we gave this a go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 31, 2022, 12:36:25 PM
Would clubs even want to field a team there and play at the same time as their seniors? Would there be enough volunteers for scoreboard, umpires etc? This is a pipe dream and I can't see it happening but the top thirds teams in recent years are filled with top players so they would have a field day in the lower leagues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 31, 2022, 01:07:05 PM
RIP PJ McElroy, A great of Down GAA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 31, 2022, 02:16:54 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 31, 2022, 12:27:54 PM


Very doubtful they would "walk div 4" and very dismissive of a number of clubs to suggest that would be the case, never mind the suggestion that div 3 would be easy for them.

In theory the idea of these reserve teams playing div 3/4 could encourage the "smaller" clubs to improve, but as mentioned the danger is a thirds team gets promoted to div 3 ahead of one of these clubs, and that actually hinders their development. Might only be one result that decides it,
Code Select
but it could lead to some of the "smaller" club's players becoming a little demotivated seeing the big clubs taking their place in the division above.[/b] Generally the div 3/4 clubs are there because the commitment isn't the same as the div 1/2 clubs, the county board should focus on figuring out how that issue is resolved first before introducing the reserve teams. Many of the "smaller" clubs have very talented players but can't get the numbers of dedicated players to allow them to push on, but supporters of div 1/2 clubs would probably be ignorant of that fact.

Becoming a little demotivated - well then make sure it doesn't happen.. it's not rocket science. If the division 4 clubs can't raise themselves on a Friday night to play a second string opposition from a so called big club - they need to look at themselves and ask why are they playing at all. The nature of the game is competitive - surely these "talented players" realise that and realise that in order to improve or maintain their levels they need to be seen to compete against these teams. I just believe division 4 clubs in particular are in a wee comfort zone and know they will pick up points here and there throughout the season and might have one or two challenges with teams around their level. That's why they don't improve - that's why we get very few players from division 4 who have a sustained period on the county team.
Another poster talked about Armagh leagues and missed one vital thing - Crossmaglen/Killeavy/Cullyhanna etc have won 3 junior championships between them in over 20 years of this happening. It's run correctly by the clubs and county board and for other clubs in the lower leagues - they had to up their game to compete - and they did just that. It's time we gave this a go.
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Well win you put it so simply, that it's not rocket science when it comes to winning football matches, I look forward to all clubs in Down being equal next season. The fact some of these clubs are a sporting outlet for the majority of their senior panels, and not ultra-competitive like div 1/2 sides, would lead to struggles to field teams away to the bigger clubs if indeed their reserve teams are permitted to include players around the senior panel. Now as another poster states, ensuring the thirds panel is legitimate then yes by all means it could eventually work. We'd have to hope that clubs don't find ways around that requirement, as was the case for reserve teams for years.

And obviously the more talented and dedicated players in div 3/4 should relish it, but to assume that would apply to their entire squads is naive at best. Almost every club in div 3 or 4 has a player or two who have the ability to play at a higher level, but when it comes to having a committed squad around them to help that happen unfortunately it is not always the case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on October 31, 2022, 02:32:53 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 31, 2022, 12:27:54 PM
Another poster talked about Armagh leagues and missed one vital thing - Crossmaglen/Killeavy/Cullyhanna etc have won 3 junior championships between them in over 20 years of this happening. It's run correctly by the clubs and county board and for other clubs in the lower leagues - they had to up their game to compete - and they did just that. It's time we gave this a go.
False, Cross II have only won the JFC once, in 2002. Cullyhanna II reached the final in 2016.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 31, 2022, 02:42:27 PM
The debate around reserve/thirds teams entering Div 4 is fairly interesting, but probably the most obvious immediate issue would be that the recent restructuring has 13 teams in division 4 so it would need some serious thought in to how this league works as any more teams makes for a very long season. Would you go for 2 groups of 8 (if 3 reserve sides enter) or 4 groups of 4 and some sort of play off system for promotions. It was split this year for the first part of the season so maybe something based on how that worked. Though was it a success in terms of keeping teams interested for the full year? It might require some sort of seeding to ensure there isn't a team getting heavily beaten in a group, or all the strong teams aren't on one side of a draw etc.

Or even a one way league, I think that system was used a few years ago if I'm not mistaken?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 31, 2022, 02:55:54 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2022, 02:50:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 30, 2022, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on October 30, 2022, 02:11:15 PM
If we could get 7 of the bigger clubs to put in a B team to a Div5 it might work. Top 13 would not be enough though. It would need to be 20 at least.

The problem here isn't about whether this is a practical solution. it's a cultural problem.

Getting a group of players, administrators and spectators to go "away" on a Friday night when the first team are at home would take some getting used to. It would require riding out some bad times for a year or two before it becomes normalised. And I don't think people in this era have the patience to ride it out.

Outsider buttin' in here, in Tyrone All-County Football League games involving thirds teams are played on a Saturday afternoon unless their corresponding first team isn't playing that same weekend where instead they play at the same time as all other fixtures in their division/grade. Rarely do such clubs have their first & third teams playing at the same time.

How many of the senior panels caanot play thirds?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 31, 2022, 03:19:01 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2022, 02:50:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 30, 2022, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on October 30, 2022, 02:11:15 PM
If we could get 7 of the bigger clubs to put in a B team to a Div5 it might work. Top 13 would not be enough though. It would need to be 20 at least.

The problem here isn't about whether this is a practical solution. it's a cultural problem.

Getting a group of players, administrators and spectators to go "away" on a Friday night when the first team are at home would take some getting used to. It would require riding out some bad times for a year or two before it becomes normalised. And I don't think people in this era have the patience to ride it out.

Outsider buttin' in here, in Tyrone All-County Football League games involving thirds teams are played on a Saturday afternoon unless their corresponding first team isn't playing that same weekend where instead they play at the same time as all other fixtures in their division/grade. Rarely do such clubs have their first & third teams playing at the same time.

Fairly practical solution, though in Down there would be a clash with soccer for many of the div 4 teams (probably moreso East Down), and there could be a reluctance then for these clubs to facilitate the change of fixture from the usual Friday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 31, 2022, 03:24:48 PM
False, Cross II have only won the JFC once, in 2002. Cullyhanna II reached the final in 2016.
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My apologies - so the fact one team has won this championship once and two teams have played in the final surely backs up the fact that the teams around them improved both at senior level and underage to have a sustained period where clubs reserves would not dominate them.

Top 13 in senior can't play seconds
Top 10 in seconds can't play thirds

So 23 players effectively can't play 3rds
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 31, 2022, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2022, 03:29:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 31, 2022, 02:55:54 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2022, 02:50:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 30, 2022, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on October 30, 2022, 02:11:15 PM
If we could get 7 of the bigger clubs to put in a B team to a Div5 it might work. Top 13 would not be enough though. It would need to be 20 at least.

The problem here isn't about whether this is a practical solution. it's a cultural problem.

Getting a group of players, administrators and spectators to go "away" on a Friday night when the first team are at home would take some getting used to. It would require riding out some bad times for a year or two before it becomes normalised. And I don't think people in this era have the patience to ride it out.

Outsider buttin' in here, in Tyrone All-County Football League games involving thirds teams are played on a Saturday afternoon unless their corresponding first team isn't playing that same weekend where instead they play at the same time as all other fixtures in their division/grade. Rarely do such clubs have their first & third teams playing at the same time.

How many of the senior panels caanot play thirds?

Unlike in Down, reserve football is tied to first team performance in Tyrone. Senior & Reserve games are played as double headers i.e. such fixtures on Sundays are/were 2.15pm reserve & 3.45pm senior.

To enter a thirds team in the Tyrone ACFL, you must...

* Declare a panel of 40 players whom are only permitted to play in your first team or reserve team (this list of 40 also includes 12 players whom aren't allowed to play in their reserve or "second" team, assuming these teams play in Division 1 & Division 1 reserve)

* If you also wish to enter a fourth team that is your corresponding reserve team for for thirds team i.e "thirds reserves", you must also declare additional players that can't play for this team (this depends on the Division you play in - in Division 3 it's 9 players, Division 2 it's 10. Since no thirds team in recent history in Tyrone has played in Division 2, it's essentially nine players).

* If a player from outside the initial list of 40 players mentioned above plays for the first team or their corresponding reserve/"second" team, they are no longer eligible to play for the thirds or thirds reserve/"fourth" team(s) for the remainder of that playing year.

* If a player on the list of 40 players mentioned above has not played for either the first team or reserves/"seconds" before 1st July of the competition year, they may be allowed to regrade to play in the thirds or thirds reserves/"fourth" team(s) with permission from the Tyrone CCC.

40 players in a lot greater than 23, very interesting and I dont think many clubs could do that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Downtothewire on October 31, 2022, 08:10:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 31, 2022, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2022, 03:29:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 31, 2022, 02:55:54 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on October 31, 2022, 02:50:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 30, 2022, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on October 30, 2022, 02:11:15 PM
If we could get 7 of the bigger clubs to put in a B team to a Div5 it might work. Top 13 would not be enough though. It would need to be 20 at least.


The problem here isn't about whether this is a practical solution. it's a cultural problem.

Getting a group of players, administrators and spectators to go "away" on a Friday night when the first team are at home would take some getting used to. It would require riding out some bad times for a year or two before it becomes normalised. And I don't think people in this era have the patience to ride it out.

Outsider buttin' in here, in Tyrone All-County Football League games involving thirds teams are played on a Saturday afternoon unless their corresponding first team isn't playing that same weekend where instead they play at the same time as all other fixtures in their division/grade. Rarely do such clubs have their first & third teams playing at the same time.

How many of the senior panels caanot play thirds?

Unlike in Down, reserve football is tied to first team performance in Tyrone. Senior & Reserve games are played as double headers i.e. such fixtures on Sundays are/were 2.15pm reserve & 3.45pm senior.

To enter a thirds team in the Tyrone ACFL, you must...

* Declare a panel of 40 players whom are only permitted to play in your first team or reserve team (this list of 40 also includes 12 players whom aren't allowed to play in their reserve or "second" team, assuming these teams play in Division 1 & Division 1 reserve)

* If you also wish to enter a fourth team that is your corresponding reserve team for for thirds team i.e "thirds reserves", you must also declare additional players that can't play for this team (this depends on the Division you play in - in Division 3 it's 9 players, Division 2 it's 10. Since no thirds team in recent history in Tyrone has played in Division 2, it's essentially nine players).

* If a player from outside the initial list of 40 players mentioned above plays for the first team or their corresponding reserve/"second" team, they are no longer eligible to play for the thirds or thirds reserve/"fourth" team(s) for the remainder of that playing year.

* If a player on the list of 40 players mentioned above has not played for either the first team or reserves/"seconds" before 1st July of the competition year, they may be allowed to regrade to play in the thirds or thirds reserves/"fourth" team(s) with permission from the Tyrone CCC.

40 players in a lot greater than 23, very interesting and I dont think many clubs could do that
[Sounds like a good idea, might cut down the amount of conceded game in reserve leagues]
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on November 01, 2022, 11:04:00 AM
Crazy that Burren ratified the same management team for next season, probably gave them more money too, after their lacklustre season. Burren probably have everything they need to win championships and leagues every year but lack the drive and steelyness to do so. Facilities are top notch, which plenty other division 1 teams in Down would kill for, so no excuses for them. Some clubs in division 1 don't have any facilities, believe it or not....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 01, 2022, 11:15:37 AM
Quote from: GAA Madness on November 01, 2022, 11:04:00 AM
Crazy that Burren ratified the same management team for next season, probably gave them more money too, after their lacklustre season. Burren probably have everything they need to win championships and leagues every year but lack the drive and steelyness to do so. Facilities are top notch, which plenty other division 1 teams in Down would kill for, so no excuses for them. Some clubs in division 1 don't have any facilities, believe it or not....

Burren won a senior league title beating Kilcoo in the final, they were beaten by a very good Warrenpoint team in the QF of the senior championship after extra time. It was by no means a disastrous year for Burren, The country and its granny are looking for managers, You would go a long way finding anyone better than McCorry and Adams at this stage of the year. So its a wise decision by the Oligarchs in keeping them. They should win county u20 as well so all bodes well for the future.

I don't get the facilities bit as looking at division 1 all clubs have access to two pitches , lights, indoor hall and a gym so although Burren have a great set up I don't think it gives them that much of an edge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 01, 2022, 01:12:00 PM


Burren won a senior league title beating Kilcoo in the final, they were beaten by a very good Warrenpoint team in the QF of the senior championship after extra time. It was by no means a disastrous year for Burren, The country and its granny are looking for managers, You would go a long way finding anyone better than McCorry and Adams at this stage of the year. So its a wise decision by the Oligarchs in keeping them. They should win county u20 as well so all bodes well for the future.

I don't get the facilities bit as looking at division 1 all clubs have access to two pitches , lights, indoor hall and a gym so although Burren have a great set up I don't think it gives them that much of an edge.
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Burren won a senior league - they have never ever ever talked about or aspired to win senior leagues. They beat Kilcoo in the final and thought for sure they had the championship in the bag. Surely with all the underage success they have had in the last decade they don't need mccorry or Adam's there - there's bound to be coaches galore within the club that could take that group of players to senior championship glory. But that wouldn't satisfy the money men nor get their offspring onto the team..
winning county u20 means nothing - it's that same good group that we have been talking about for the last 5 years - still only 4/5 of them have made the next step to senior football. I don't think they expect many more to make the step up either. The natives wouldn't be impressed with the style of football being played (as seen on Facebook message) so the management start under pressure to change mindsets straight away.. interesting times ahead..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 01, 2022, 02:20:45 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 01, 2022, 01:12:00 PM


Burren won a senior league title beating Kilcoo in the final, they were beaten by a very good Warrenpoint team in the QF of the senior championship after extra time. It was by no means a disastrous year for Burren, The country and its granny are looking for managers, You would go a long way finding anyone better than McCorry and Adams at this stage of the year. So its a wise decision by the Oligarchs in keeping them. They should win county u20 as well so all bodes well for the future.

I don't get the facilities bit as looking at division 1 all clubs have access to two pitches , lights, indoor hall and a gym so although Burren have a great set up I don't think it gives them that much of an edge.

Burren won a senior league - they have never ever ever talked about or aspired to win senior leagues. They beat Kilcoo in the final and thought for sure they had the championship in the bag. Surely with all the underage success they have had in the last decade they don't need mccorry or Adam's there - there's bound to be coaches galore within the club that could take that group of players to senior championship glory. But that wouldn't satisfy the money men nor get their offspring onto the team..
winning county u20 means nothing - it's that same good group that we have been talking about for the last 5 years - still only 4/5 of them have made the next step to senior football. I don't think they expect many more to make the step up either. The natives wouldn't be impressed with the style of football being played (as seen on Facebook message) so the management start under pressure to change mindsets straight away.. interesting times ahead..
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Style of football changes, Burren v the Point was a game of cat and mouse and could have went either way, the Point were as defensively set up as Burren. The natives are going to have to get used it as the days off knocking 50/50 Hail Marys into Tom Fegan are 40 years gone past.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on November 01, 2022, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 01, 2022, 11:15:37 AM
Quote from: GAA Madness on November 01, 2022, 11:04:00 AM


Crazy that Burren ratified the same management team for next season, probably gave them more money too, after their lacklustre season. Burren probably have everything they need to win championships and leagues every year but lack the drive and steelyness to do so. Facilities are top notch, which plenty other division 1 teams in Down would kill for, so no excuses for them. Some clubs in division 1 don't have any facilities, believe it or not....

Burren won a senior league title beating Kilcoo in the final, they were beaten by a very good Warrenpoint team in the QF of the senior championship after extra time. It was by no means a disastrous year for Burren, The country and its granny are looking for managers, You would go a long way finding anyone better than McCorry and Adams at this stage of the year. So its a wise decision by the Oligarchs in keeping them. They should win county u20 as well so all bodes well for the future.

I don't get the facilities bit as looking at division 1 all clubs have access to two pitches , lights, indoor hall and a gym so although Burren have a great set up I don't think it gives them that much of an edge.

Of course it gives them an edge, the game has moved on and the gym is no doubt a part of it. As a casual observer of Down football, I don't think the likes of Warrenpoint, Bryansford and Rostrevor can compete with the facilities of Burren, and I may be wrong but I don't think Clonduff even have a gym and certainly do not have a sports hall
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 01, 2022, 04:09:04 PM
Quote from: GAA Madness on November 01, 2022, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 01, 2022, 11:15:37 AM
Quote from: GAA Madness on November 01, 2022, 11:04:00 AM


Crazy that Burren ratified the same management team for next season, probably gave them more money too, after their lacklustre season. Burren probably have everything they need to win championships and leagues every year but lack the drive and steelyness to do so. Facilities are top notch, which plenty other division 1 teams in Down would kill for, so no excuses for them. Some clubs in division 1 don't have any facilities, believe it or not....

Burren won a senior league title beating Kilcoo in the final, they were beaten by a very good Warrenpoint team in the QF of the senior championship after extra time. It was by no means a disastrous year for Burren, The country and its granny are looking for managers, You would go a long way finding anyone better than McCorry and Adams at this stage of the year. So its a wise decision by the Oligarchs in keeping them. They should win county u20 as well so all bodes well for the future.

I don't get the facilities bit as looking at division 1 all clubs have access to two pitches , lights, indoor hall and a gym so although Burren have a great set up I don't think it gives them that much of an edge.

Of course it gives them an edge, the game has moved on and the gym is no doubt a part of it. As a casual observer of Down football, I don't think the likes of Warrenpoint, Bryansford and Rostrevor can compete with the facilities of Burren, and I may be wrong but I don't think Clonduff even have a gym and certainly do not have a sports hall

Clonduff have a gym not sure about sports hall.. L'Island we've a gym but none of the others above TH mentioned yet. Few years away from those being built.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on November 01, 2022, 04:26:02 PM
Interesting Burren have kept the management on after almost everyone in the county thought that relationship was dead. Looking through the set ups in Down there appears to be alot of 'outside the county' men. Are we not developing good coaches in Down? Same names seem to jump around each year and makes you wonder are there no fresh faces pushing these Men out of positions and who are they with or do clubs want these men who have been around the block several times
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 03, 2022, 08:52:47 AM
A source told me in the Bayside catch yesterday evening that Ronan McCartan is the new manager of Dundrum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on November 03, 2022, 10:02:22 AM
That was announced a couple weeks ago on twitter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 03, 2022, 10:02:56 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 03, 2022, 08:52:47 AM
A source told me in the Bayside catch yesterday evening that Ronan McCartan is the new manager of Dundrum.

Old news!

You must have been frequenting the wrong eating houses.

On the Bay Side Catch, they do a lovely but expensive fish supper & the proprietor could turn milk sour!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on November 03, 2022, 10:58:43 AM
Where is the Bayside catch?
Sounds delightful
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 03, 2022, 03:50:51 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on November 03, 2022, 10:58:43 AM
Where is the Bayside catch?
Sounds delightful

Costa del Dundrum
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 03, 2022, 04:04:26 PM
There doesn't seem to be much action on the merry go-round, I heard a few clubs are panicking as the talent pool isn't great.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on November 04, 2022, 11:36:59 PM
Good luck to Teconnaght, Liatroim and CPN in Ulster this weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on November 05, 2022, 12:09:35 PM
Poacher double jobbing with Fermanagh hurlers and the Bridge. That will go down well in the bridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 05, 2022, 04:01:33 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on November 05, 2022, 12:09:35 PM
Poacher double jobbing with Fermanagh hurlers and the Bridge. That will go down well in the bridge

What is this man at? How can you be committed to a county setup and a top 4 club setup and give everything 100%?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 05, 2022, 06:10:37 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 05, 2022, 04:01:33 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on November 05, 2022, 12:09:35 PM
Poacher double jobbing with Fermanagh hurlers and the Bridge. That will go down well in the bridge

What is this man at? How can you be committed to a county setup and a top 4 club setup and give everything 100%?

He's been double jobbing for years.
Been involved with Carlow, Roscommon, Down & senior club teams at same time.
Must be out of the house every evening but seems to make it work.
Not everyone's cup of tea but massive amount of experience behind him now.
He seems to be more highly rated (or popular) outside this county than within.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 05, 2022, 08:43:12 PM
Dismal record in Ulster at Junior level continues. Teconnaught beat by 21 points - Maybe I was wrong about 3rds teams not having it their own way in Div 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 05, 2022, 08:46:14 PM
Good craic in the Johnston house this week!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 05, 2022, 08:48:06 PM
Quote from: Targetman on November 05, 2022, 08:46:14 PM
Good craic in the Johnston house this week!!

A truly bizarre situation.

I'm happy enough with whichever outcome decreases Kilcoo's chances of winning Frank next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 05, 2022, 08:58:18 PM
Do you think Jerome will stand down for this one? Senior that is!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 05, 2022, 09:09:22 PM

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He's been double jobbing for years.
Been involved with Carlow, Roscommon, Down & senior club teams at same time.
Must be out of the house every evening but seems to make it work.
Not everyone's cup of tea but massive amount of experience behind him now.
He seems to be more highly rated (or popular) outside this county than within.
[/quote]

Makes it work as he shows up to all sessions?? Because not one team has been successful under his stewardship - county or club..

Our standard at junior is very poor - can only be helped with bigger clubs seconds team in the mix to compete with them.
Kilcoo will beat Ballybay by 5+ next weekend. Finley will be marked by Ryan mcavoy and Dylan ward will put manners on their midfield. Wylies will mark Jerome and Ryan so other forwards will need to step up. Despite Johnston managing Ballybay - Mark Doran absolutely loves Kilcoo. Weee doccccc is his favourite player of all time!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 06, 2022, 12:33:08 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 31, 2022, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 31, 2022, 11:05:01 AM
3rds teams are 3rds teams. You can't drop down. The rules are clear for all too see. Kilcoo thirds I believe would walk 4 and finish top half 3

Teconnaught, Dromara, Bosco, Finn, Kilcief - Would beat them and have beat them in challenge games over the years. Also going away to Ardglass isn't a nice trip to the seaside.

No they wouldn't. Kilcoo 2nds would easily win Division 4. Anyone who says otherwise is deluded.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 06, 2022, 05:05:48 AM
Kilcoo thirds would win 4 Nevermind seconds

And win it by hammering teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 06, 2022, 09:03:41 AM
Quote from: supersub on November 06, 2022, 12:33:08 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 31, 2022, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 31, 2022, 11:05:01 AM
3rds teams are 3rds teams. You can't drop down. The rules are clear for all too see. Kilcoo thirds I believe would walk 4 and finish top half 3

Teconnaught, Dromara, Bosco, Finn, Kilcief - Would beat them and have beat them in challenge games over the years. Also going away to Ardglass isn't a nice trip to the seaside.

No they wouldn't. Kilcoo 2nds would easily win Division 4. Anyone who says otherwise is deluded.

Aye supersub look at my most recent post 4/5 above - I said I was wrong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on November 06, 2022, 06:56:56 PM
I see the same rubbish still being churned out on here. Never read so much rubbish on a forum than on here. And it's the same half dozen wums.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 06, 2022, 07:53:00 PM
Ross Carr back with Clonduff?

A real family affair?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 06, 2022, 07:54:10 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on November 06, 2022, 06:56:56 PM
I see the same rubbish still being churned out on here. Never read so much rubbish on a forum than on here. And it's the same half dozen wums.

And yet you read it & reply to it?

🤡
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 06, 2022, 09:37:58 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 06, 2022, 12:33:08 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 31, 2022, 11:25:25 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 31, 2022, 11:05:01 AM
3rds teams are 3rds teams. You can't drop down. The rules are clear for all too see. Kilcoo thirds I believe would walk 4 and finish top half 3

Teconnaught, Dromara, Bosco, Finn, Kilcief - Would beat them and have beat them in challenge games over the years. Also going away to Ardglass isn't a nice trip to the seaside.

No they wouldn't. Kilcoo 2nds would easily win Division 4. Anyone who says otherwise is deluded.

Of course they would. They would compete in division 2 and IFC. The debate was regarding thirds teams however, so no need for the straw man argument.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 07, 2022, 09:08:16 AM
Big celebrations in the parish of Kilmegan yesterday with Castlewellan and the Finn beating the Carryduff select.
I would love to see the two clubs combine at senior level again as Castlewellan has not been as strong since the Finn reformed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on November 07, 2022, 10:05:57 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 06, 2022, 07:53:00 PM
Ross Carr back with Clonduff?

A real family affair?

Where is this coming from? Confirmed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 07, 2022, 10:50:02 AM
I just heard that Jerome will take the sideline at the weekend. How will that go down will the Kilcoo people I wonder. He has gave great service to Kilcoo so I think he has earned the respect there but he is plotting the downfall of his own family and club. It must be hard on him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 07, 2022, 03:23:43 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 07, 2022, 10:50:02 AM
I just heard that Jerome will take the sideline at the weekend. How will that go down will the Kilcoo people I wonder. He has gave great service to Kilcoo so I think he has earned the respect there but he is plotting the downfall of his own family and club. It must be hard on him.
Just heard or just dreamt?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 07, 2022, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 07, 2022, 10:50:02 AM
I just heard that Jerome will take the sideline at the weekend. How will that go down will the Kilcoo people I wonder. He has gave great service to Kilcoo so I think he has earned the respect there but he is plotting the downfall of his own family and club. It must be hard on him.

That comes with the territory of managing another club. Many county managers do the same every year too. And I assume he isn't doing it for free either, why would he not be expected to be on the sideline?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on November 07, 2022, 05:56:30 PM
Conflicting rumours of whether he will or will not be on the line. He helped develop alot of these players and has influenced his own lads all their lives. When you take on a management position you have to big enough to accept everything that goes with it both good and bad. He has been prepared to take the dough to date, bad form if he hasn't the balls to stand by the Ballybay team and club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: nrico2006 on November 07, 2022, 06:19:28 PM
Quote from: Lotto on November 07, 2022, 05:56:30 PM
Conflicting rumours of whether he will or will not be on the line. He helped develop alot of these players and has influenced his own lads all their lives. When you take on a management position you have to big enough to accept everything that goes with it both good and bad. He has been prepared to take the dough to date, bad form if he hasn't the balls to stand by the Ballybay team and club.

Exactly, plus it wasn't as if it was extremely unlikely that these teams could meet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 07, 2022, 06:38:10 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 06, 2022, 07:53:00 PM
Ross Carr back with Clonduff?

A real family affair?

Most definitely not. They have got some package in this year. Their sales of club down tickets will need to be through the roof to afford these men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on November 07, 2022, 06:52:04 PM
Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 07, 2022, 07:13:18 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 07, 2022, 06:38:10 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 06, 2022, 07:53:00 PM
Ross Carr back with Clonduff?

A real family affair?

Most definitely not. They have got some package in this year. Their sales of club down tickets will need to be through the roof to afford these men.

Which men would that be?

There hasn't been much chat about Clonduff in the Busy Bee or the Bay Side Catch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on November 07, 2022, 08:19:33 PM
Lotto, there is no need for that language as I have no doubt you are unaware of any agreement there may be between BB and JJ in the event of the two teams meeting. In any case they have a very good man to run the line in MD.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 07, 2022, 08:34:51 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on November 07, 2022, 08:19:33 PM
Lotto, there is no need for that language as I have no doubt you are unaware of any agreement there may be between BB and JJ in the event of the two teams meeting. In any case they have a very good man to run the line in MD.

Going forward will he refuse to manage any clubs that may potentially face Kilcoo in any competition? Setting the precedent now if refusing to be involved in this game. Perhaps he has no intention of managing other clubs which means no harm done, but not too many other clubs would be keen to appoint him if they think he'll stand down for a game if he has to face Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on November 07, 2022, 08:38:58 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on November 07, 2022, 08:19:33 PM
Lotto, there is no need for that language as I have no doubt you are unaware of any agreement there may be between BB and JJ in the event of the two teams meeting. In any case they have a very good man to run the line in MD.

Where is the language Sandstorm, I know lots of bad words and can't see any of them here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: nrico2006 on November 07, 2022, 09:33:10 PM
Poor form if a manager doesn't fulfill his duties fully.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 07, 2022, 09:52:00 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 07, 2022, 09:08:16 AM
Big celebrations in the parish of Kilmegan yesterday with Castlewellan and the Finn beating the Carryduff select.
I would love to see the two clubs combine at senior level again as Castlewellan has not been as strong since the Finn reformed.
You're dreaming again.Twice in the one day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on November 07, 2022, 10:40:13 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 06, 2022, 07:54:10 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on November 06, 2022, 06:56:56 PM
I see the same rubbish still being churned out on here. Never read so much rubbish on a forum than on here. And it's the same half dozen wums.

And yet you read it & reply to it?

🤡

Ooh clown face back to school for you tomorrow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on November 08, 2022, 03:47:52 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 07, 2022, 06:38:10 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 06, 2022, 07:53:00 PM
Ross Carr back with Clonduff?

A real family affair?

Most definitely not. They have got some package in this year. Their sales of club down tickets will need to be through the roof to afford these men.

And who would these men be?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 08, 2022, 08:35:51 PM


And who would these men be?
[/quote]

They were involved in my club not that long ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 08, 2022, 08:51:34 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 08, 2022, 08:35:51 PM


And who would these men be?

They were involved in my club not that long ago.
[/quote]

Recently in Co. Armagh?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on November 09, 2022, 12:06:40 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 08, 2022, 08:51:34 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 08, 2022, 08:35:51 PM


And who would these men be?

They were involved in my club not that long ago.

Recently in Co. Armagh?
[/quote]

Sounds very much like McAleenans then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 09, 2022, 09:07:57 AM
Fair play to Jerome as hes a legend in Kilcoo and loves the club. It paves the way for Doran and him to be front runners when the two lads step away at the end of the season. Its the only job they want.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on November 09, 2022, 09:44:59 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 09, 2022, 09:07:57 AM
Fair play to Jerome as hes a legend in Kilcoo and loves the club. It paves the way for Doran and him to be front runners when the two lads step away at the end of the season. Its the only job they want.
Kilcoo will not pay their own man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on November 09, 2022, 10:02:38 AM
I see Mulholland isn't listed with the CPN management. Could he be returning to the Harps?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 09, 2022, 11:21:12 AM
Quote from: SticksandStones on November 09, 2022, 10:02:38 AM
I see Mulholland isn't listed with the CPN management. Could he be returning to the Harps?

Think work commitments was the issue, Gilmore is in with u20s as well so will be getting a good experience

I have heard a lot of clubs are struggling to fill roles for next season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DearyMe on November 09, 2022, 11:51:40 AM
Quote from: SticksandStones on November 09, 2022, 10:02:38 AM
I see Mulholland isn't listed with the CPN management. Could he be returning to the Harps?

Maybe watch this space ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 09, 2022, 07:35:04 PM


Think work commitments was the issue, Gilmore is in with u20s as well so will be getting a good experience

I have heard a lot of clubs are struggling to fill roles for next season.
[/quote]

Are they struggling though or just wanting too much from individuals. One club in particular has held interviews over two weeks ago but still has to let candidates know if they were successful or not - that's not on. Sometimes clubs are their own worst enemies.

Just delighted we have our men sorted and are ready to get going again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on November 10, 2022, 07:53:16 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 09, 2022, 11:21:12 AM
Quote from: SticksandStones on November 09, 2022, 10:02:38 AM
I see Mulholland isn't listed with the CPN management. Could he be returning to the Harps?

Think work commitments was the issue, Gilmore is in with u20s as well so will be getting a good experience

I have heard a lot of clubs are struggling to fill roles for next season.

Who are they
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 10, 2022, 08:37:56 AM
Quote from: Kong King on November 10, 2022, 07:53:16 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 09, 2022, 11:21:12 AM
Quote from: SticksandStones on November 09, 2022, 10:02:38 AM
I see Mulholland isn't listed with the CPN management. Could he be returning to the Harps?

Think work commitments was the issue, Gilmore is in with u20s as well so will be getting a good experience

I have heard a lot of clubs are struggling to fill roles for next season.

Who are they

Bryansford and Castlewellan probably the two biggest. Though I hear John Clarke could be in the frame for the Town job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 10, 2022, 12:36:52 PM
Hearing of a big name appointment in Ballyholland, The Wobbler is this true?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on November 10, 2022, 01:23:11 PM
How big? Is it double barrel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: smort on November 10, 2022, 01:23:59 PM
What are they saying in the cafés?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 10, 2022, 03:51:40 PM
Quote from: smort on November 10, 2022, 01:23:59 PM
What are they saying in the cafés?

Do you want sauce with that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 10, 2022, 04:13:03 PM
A reliable South Down Gael has informed me that Mickey Walsh will manage Ballyholland in 2023.

Truth Hurts , UTV live , Urban Cafe Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 10, 2022, 05:32:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 10, 2022, 04:13:03 PM
A reliable South Down Gael has informed me that Mickey Walsh will manage Ballyholland in 2023.

Truth Hurts , UTV live , Urban Cafe Castlewellan
This is a good appointment, the Harps have a lot of young talent and Walsh seems to work well with young talent.

We have our first challenge game arranged, we play Leitrim in the next few weeks, will be good to get off to a winning start and build a bit of confidence before the McKenna Cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 10, 2022, 07:49:14 PM
Are the National league fixtures out yet for 2023.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 10, 2022, 10:45:12 PM
They are for div 1 & 2, but I couldn't find div 3 fixtures. That's not to say they haven't been drawn, I'd assume they are. Promotion of league fixtures is minimal at best.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 11, 2022, 12:44:30 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 07, 2022, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 07, 2022, 10:50:02 AM
I just heard that Jerome will take the sideline at the weekend. How will that go down will the Kilcoo people I wonder. He has gave great service to Kilcoo so I think he has earned the respect there but he is plotting the downfall of his own family and club. It must be hard on him.

That comes with the territory of managing another club. Many county managers do the same every year too. And I assume he isn't doing it for free either, why would he not be expected to be on the sideline?

Not even close to being the same as county management,  not even close.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on November 11, 2022, 08:06:01 AM
Is there a senior panel listed already? I thought there was a rule about training in November and December?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on November 11, 2022, 08:15:12 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on November 11, 2022, 08:06:01 AM
Is there a senior panel listed already? I thought there was a rule about training in November and December?

Near sure that's not applicable to trialling players but stand to be corrected
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 11, 2022, 08:52:13 AM
evry county in Ireland is doing some sort of training now, if you are not then your in the wrong sport.

Sure clubs are meeting in prep for next year and a few are doing gym programmes already.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 11, 2022, 09:25:04 AM
I just seen the Kingdom have a notice up on FB that the u20 B final is off due to the CCC stopping it. Whats going on there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MajorShields26 on November 11, 2022, 10:07:07 AM
Has burren management been sorted yet? Was a lot of buzz about it few weeks ago and heard a lot but seems to all have gone quiet? Players need clarity this time of year. Any updates!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on November 11, 2022, 12:22:53 PM
Just because you haven't heard doesn't mean the players haven't been told. You are sounding like Stephen Nolan being ignored by the Shinners
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 11, 2022, 01:03:34 PM
Quote from: MajorShields26 on November 11, 2022, 10:07:07 AM
Has burren management been sorted yet? Was a lot of buzz about it few weeks ago and heard a lot but seems to all have gone quiet? Players need clarity this time of year. Any updates!

McCorry and Adams back for next season, notice on Burren facebook page and all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 11, 2022, 01:32:34 PM
Quote from: ardtole on November 10, 2022, 10:45:12 PM
They are for div 1 & 2, but I couldn't find div 3 fixtures. That's not to say they haven't been drawn, I'd assume they are. Promotion of league fixtures is minimal at best.
Yep I saw div 1and 2. Couldn't see 3 anywhere. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 11, 2022, 01:38:42 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 11, 2022, 12:44:30 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 07, 2022, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 07, 2022, 10:50:02 AM
I just heard that Jerome will take the sideline at the weekend. How will that go down will the Kilcoo people I wonder. He has gave great service to Kilcoo so I think he has earned the respect there but he is plotting the downfall of his own family and club. It must be hard on him.

That comes with the territory of managing another club. Many county managers do the same every year too. And I assume he isn't doing it for free either, why would he not be expected to be on the sideline?

Not even close to being the same as county management,  not even close.

Same principal. If you think you might face a team and you won't want to be involved in that game, don't take the job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on November 11, 2022, 01:49:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 11, 2022, 09:25:04 AM
I just seen the Kingdom have a notice up on FB that the u20 B final is off due to the CCC stopping it. Whats going on there?
Annaclone lodged an appeal that Ballyholland played ineligible player in their semi final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 11, 2022, 02:33:16 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on November 11, 2022, 01:49:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 11, 2022, 09:25:04 AM
I just seen the Kingdom have a notice up on FB that the u20 B final is off due to the CCC stopping it. Whats going on there?
Annaclone lodged an appeal that Ballyholland played ineligible player in their semi final

Have no sympathy for clubs who play ineligible players in this day and age, if they have played an ineligible player then bye bye Ballyholland.

Though nothing will eclipse Tullylish bringing in the ringer for Banbridge a few years  ago in an underage division D or E final. The ringer scored a load v St Johns and Tullylish never put your man who scored everything in the team photo.
The coaches who tried that should have been banned for life for pure stupidity LOL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 11, 2022, 03:53:51 PM

[/quote]
Annaclone lodged an appeal that Ballyholland played ineligible player in their semi final
[/quote]

Has Ballyholland merged with someone? Surely a club wudnt pick one of their own players that was either overage or underage.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on November 11, 2022, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 11, 2022, 03:53:51 PM

Annaclone lodged an appeal that Ballyholland played ineligible player in their semi final
[/quote]

Has Ballyholland merged with someone? Surely a club wudnt pick one of their own players that was either overage or underage.....
[/quote]
Was underage player from their own club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 11, 2022, 04:38:11 PM
A 2 week suspension for player
An 8 week suspension for the head coach of the coach

Ballyholland should have more sense than this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on November 11, 2022, 04:39:25 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 11, 2022, 02:33:16 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on November 11, 2022, 01:49:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 11, 2022, 09:25:04 AM
I just seen the Kingdom have a notice up on FB that the u20 B final is off due to the CCC stopping it. Whats going on there?
Annaclone lodged an appeal that Ballyholland played ineligible player in their semi final

Have no sympathy for clubs who play ineligible players in this day and age, if they have played an ineligible player then bye bye Ballyholland.

Though nothing will eclipse Tullylish bringing in the ringer for Banbridge a few years  ago in an underage division D or E final. The ringer scored a load v St Johns and Tullylish never put your man who scored everything in the team photo.
The coaches who tried that should have been banned for life for pure stupidity LOL

That was last season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 11, 2022, 05:19:22 PM
Annaclone who have lodged the compliant now seem to have played underage players in the group stages
What a mess.
Just give the trophy to A R
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 11, 2022, 08:58:23 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 11, 2022, 01:38:42 PM
Quote from: supersub on November 11, 2022, 12:44:30 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 07, 2022, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 07, 2022, 10:50:02 AM
I just heard that Jerome will take the sideline at the weekend. How will that go down will the Kilcoo people I wonder. He has gave great service to Kilcoo so I think he has earned the respect there but he is plotting the downfall of his own family and club. It must be hard on him.

That comes with the territory of managing another club. Many county managers do the same every year too. And I assume he isn't doing it for free either, why would he not be expected to be on the sideline?

Not even close to being the same as county management,  not even close.

Same principal. If you think you might face a team and you won't want to be involved in that game, don't take the job.

It's not though. It's a unique set of circumstances. There is little to no emotion attached to county management compared to this. Not sure there would have ever been a County Manager managing against his own sons. There's a difference between managing against your own county and managing against your own family.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on November 11, 2022, 09:07:22 PM
Smurfy, I'm sure your info is wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 12, 2022, 09:54:22 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 11, 2022, 01:03:34 PM
Quote from: MajorShields26 on November 11, 2022, 10:07:07 AM
Has burren management been sorted yet? Was a lot of buzz about it few weeks ago and heard a lot but seems to all have gone quiet? Players need clarity this time of year. Any updates!

McCorry and Adams back for next season, notice on Burren facebook page and all.

The natives are not happy with this. I hear the AGM last week was heated with members asking why this management were reinstated. They are under pressure before a ball is even kicked to win the lot next year with regular meetings to happen if results ain't up to scratch. Surprised mccorry has signed up to this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on November 12, 2022, 04:50:55 PM
Put simply, Burren don't have the players, they have plenty of players but not enough quality players, I like other poster am surprised McCorry signed up for next year knowing he hasn't the full backing of the Burren board. He has history of walking away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on November 12, 2022, 04:51:15 PM
Where can I watch the Kilcoo/Ballybay game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 12, 2022, 04:58:50 PM
In clones.

It's not on tv
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on November 12, 2022, 05:09:08 PM
Quote from: befair on November 12, 2022, 04:51:15 PM
Where can I watch the Kilcoo/Ballybay game?

https://ulster.gaa.ie/tv/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on November 12, 2022, 05:31:46 PM
Quote from: Too many steps on November 12, 2022, 05:09:08 PM
Quote from: befair on November 12, 2022, 04:51:15 PM
Where can I watch the Kilcoo/Ballybay game?

https://ulster.gaa.ie/tv/

Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 13, 2022, 09:36:07 AM
Good man brick you clown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 13, 2022, 10:04:28 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on November 12, 2022, 04:50:55 PM
Put simply, Burren don't have the players, they have plenty of players but not enough quality players, I like other poster am surprised McCorry signed up for next year knowing he hasn't the full backing of the Burren board. He has history of walking away.

Burren haven't got past Kilcoo yet on the big days but they still have a very strong panel & are probably "the best of the rest". 
Their facilities are excellent & are never wanting for anything in preparation.

That is what every coach wants. It's no surprise that Jim & his team want to continue.

Only one team can win the senior championship every season, we just happen to be witnessing a freakishly good Kilcoo outfit.
Burren, like everyone else, will have to try to match or surpass them on a given day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 13, 2022, 10:06:47 AM
What's wee bricks thoughts?
U little clown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 13, 2022, 12:58:15 PM
Thoughts on what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on November 13, 2022, 02:07:46 PM
Kilcoo well in control at half-time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on November 13, 2022, 02:11:03 PM
Dylan Ward is some warrior. The yellow card has taken the wind out of his sails abit. Kilcoo seem to have much more know how here. Some great scores especially from the full back and Ryan Johnston.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 13, 2022, 08:50:19 PM
Hard to see Kilcoo getting beaten in Ulster this year. Some performance today against novices in Ulster football but with experienced county players throughout their team I thought they might be better. I can see now why Johnston stepped away today - didn't want to be embarrassed in front of his own!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on November 13, 2022, 10:17:30 PM
Poor result for saval. I expected a better effort.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 14, 2022, 08:40:22 AM
Burren win another underage title

Kilcoo will win Ulster

By all accounts Corduff were really dirty yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 15, 2022, 06:39:57 AM
Paul Evans with Downpatrick next season.

Merry go round slowly starting to move?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 15, 2022, 04:51:36 PM
some senior clubs back training for 2023 already, do teams not take a break. Hearing stories of underage teams in gym all over winter
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2022, 05:18:29 PM
I'd be worried if underage teams weren't doing some sort of stuff. What else would they be at in November and December?
Great to see so many clubs continuing to offer stuff for clubs whether it be gym basketball circuits it's great to see
Why would young players want a break?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on November 15, 2022, 07:43:38 PM
Even professional sports people have a break. The reason is it helps recharge themselves from constant demands, both physical and mental. Not saying players should t keep up some degree of fitness but I think they need time for themselves. Que the argument of why player retention is so shite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on November 15, 2022, 09:13:30 PM
Doesn't seem to be a problem in Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on November 15, 2022, 09:41:29 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on November 15, 2022, 09:13:30 PM
Doesn't seem to be a problem in Kilcoo
Kilcoo, due to playing numbers and standard of the squad are well rotated throughout the year. Men playing now all had different spells along the line, didnt strip out earlier in the year and had periods of rest. Performance and rest go hand in hand as Kilcoo have shown.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2022, 09:54:23 PM
Sure all underage football in Down finished this 2 months
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on November 16, 2022, 10:20:02 AM
St Louis having a talk night friday night with our new county manager, pete mcgrath, mickey harte and marty clarke. 8pm shall be a good night
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 16, 2022, 11:07:05 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2022, 05:18:29 PM
I’d be worried if underage teams weren’t doing some sort of stuff. What else would they be at in November and December?
Great to see so many clubs continuing to offer stuff for clubs whether it be gym basketball circuits it’s great to see
Why would young players want a break?

Young players are now under pressure 12 months of the year to meet targets or complete specific training/gym sessions. Pressure that in most cases will have a negative impact on young people, as they have other pressures at that age with education or choosing a path for employment. Sport is supposed to offer a release. Expectations placed on young players by their clubs should be reasonable and balanced against whatever else is going on in their lives at that age. Many will be playing schools football, let them focus on that as it doesn't last long, any extra club training on top of that is no good for anyone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 16, 2022, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 16, 2022, 11:07:05 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2022, 05:18:29 PM
I'd be worried if underage teams weren't doing some sort of stuff. What else would they be at in November and December?
Great to see so many clubs continuing to offer stuff for clubs whether it be gym basketball circuits it's great to see
Why would young players want a break?

Young players are now under pressure 12 months of the year to meet targets or complete specific training/gym sessions. Pressure that in most cases will have a negative impact on young people, as they have other pressures at that age with education or choosing a path for employment. Sport is supposed to offer a release. Expectations placed on young players by their clubs should be reasonable and balanced against whatever else is going on in their lives at that age. Many will be playing schools football, let them focus on that as it doesn't last long, any extra club training on top of that is no good for anyone.

There are some lads who don't play for their schools. And there are some schools you wouldn't want your young lad playing for. If clubs don't offer activity at this time of the year the alternative is sit in the house on the latest gadgets.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 16, 2022, 09:34:47 PM
Quote from: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 16, 2022, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 16, 2022, 11:07:05 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2022, 05:18:29 PM
I'd be worried if underage teams weren't doing some sort of stuff. What else would they be at in November and December?
Great to see so many clubs continuing to offer stuff for clubs whether it be gym basketball circuits it's great to see
Why would young players want a break?

Young players are now under pressure 12 months of the year to meet targets or complete specific training/gym sessions. Pressure that in most cases will have a negative impact on young people, as they have other pressures at that age with education or choosing a path for employment. Sport is supposed to offer a release. Expectations placed on young players by their clubs should be reasonable and balanced against whatever else is going on in their lives at that age. Many will be playing schools football, let them focus on that as it doesn't last long, any extra club training on top of that is no good for anyone.

There are some lads who don't play for their schools. And there are some schools you wouldn't want your young lad playing for. If clubs don't offer activity at this time of the year the alternative is sit in the house on the latest gadgets.

Big difference between "offering something" to keep them active, and giving them structured gym programmes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 16, 2022, 11:41:19 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 16, 2022, 09:34:47 PM
Quote from: Pocs pints and the gaa on November 16, 2022, 05:47:50 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 16, 2022, 11:07:05 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 15, 2022, 05:18:29 PM
I'd be worried if underage teams weren't doing some sort of stuff. What else would they be at in November and December?
Great to see so many clubs continuing to offer stuff for clubs whether it be gym basketball circuits it's great to see
Why would young players want a break?

Young players are now under pressure 12 months of the year to meet targets or complete specific training/gym sessions. Pressure that in most cases will have a negative impact on young people, as they have other pressures at that age with education or choosing a path for employment. Sport is supposed to offer a release. Expectations placed on young players by their clubs should be reasonable and balanced against whatever else is going on in their lives at that age. Many will be playing schools football, let them focus on that as it doesn't last long, any extra club training on top of that is no good for anyone.

There are some lads who don't play for their schools. And there are some schools you wouldn't want your young lad playing for. If clubs don't offer activity at this time of the year the alternative is sit in the house on the latest gadgets.

Big difference between "offering something" to keep them active, and giving them structured gym programmes.

Got to get the guns in shape for Quinn's/Hilltown or wherever it's youngsters go to discos now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 17, 2022, 10:23:39 AM
I see the Ballyholland and Annaclone game replayed in b championship this weekend. Ballyholland broke the rules.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on November 17, 2022, 11:00:00 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 17, 2022, 10:23:39 AM
I see the Ballyholland and Annaclone game replayed in b championship this weekend. Ballyholland broke the rules.
And so did Annaclone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 2badteams on November 17, 2022, 02:05:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 17, 2022, 10:23:39 AM
I see the Ballyholland and Annaclone game replayed in b championship this weekend. Ballyholland broke the rules.

They both did
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 17, 2022, 02:10:17 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on November 17, 2022, 11:00:00 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 17, 2022, 10:23:39 AM
I see the Ballyholland and Annaclone game replayed in b championship this weekend. Ballyholland broke the rules.
And so did Annaclone

not in the semi final game, you have 72 hours to make an appeal so nothing else matters
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 17, 2022, 02:12:22 PM
and btw im not sticking up for Annaclone as I think its petty they appealed it after getting beat comprehensively but rules are rules and by the letter of the law, Annaclone should be playing in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on November 17, 2022, 02:41:44 PM
Sounds like it sucks to be Annaclone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 2badteams on November 17, 2022, 02:47:44 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 17, 2022, 02:12:22 PM
and btw im not sticking up for Annaclone as I think its petty they appealed it after getting beat comprehensively but rules are rules and by the letter of the law, Annaclone should be playing in the final.

Not sticking up for Annaclone because its alright for them to break the rules so long as no one notices in 72 hours.
You sound like Eamon Dunphy at Roy Keanes discipline hearing.
Except with even less sense baby!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 17, 2022, 05:40:51 PM
Quote from: MATTSARACEN on November 17, 2022, 02:41:44 PM
Sounds like it sucks to be Annaclone

Lovely spot. Especially the road on up to Rathfriland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 17, 2022, 11:43:53 PM
A road well traveled Charlie!😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 18, 2022, 11:47:38 PM
So Kevin Madden joins the famous Mayobridge club - a coach who has worked at top intercounty sides to work under Poacher. What is he thinking?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 19, 2022, 09:18:22 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 18, 2022, 11:47:38 PM
So Kevin Madden joins the famous Mayobridge club - a coach who has worked at top intercounty sides to work under Poacher. What is he thinking?
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 18, 2022, 11:47:38 PM
So Kevin Madden joins the famous Mayobridge club - a coach who has worked at top intercounty sides to work under Poacher. What is he thinking?

What exactly has Madden ever achieved?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yellowcard on November 19, 2022, 01:14:03 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 18, 2022, 11:47:38 PM
So Kevin Madden joins the famous Mayobridge club - a coach who has worked at top intercounty sides to work under Poacher. What is he thinking?

Down clubs offer the best expenses about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on November 19, 2022, 06:58:06 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 19, 2022, 01:14:03 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 18, 2022, 11:47:38 PM
So Kevin Madden joins the famous Mayobridge club - a coach who has worked at top intercounty sides to work under Poacher. What is he thinking?

Down clubs offer the best expenses about.

Has to be purely about the money. Why else would anyone travel from Antrim 3/4 times a week to be involved with a team who have no chance of winning anything, never mind sharing the sideline with a mad man?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 19, 2022, 09:05:53 PM
How's Australia going big man?
Young lotto
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kidder81 on November 19, 2022, 09:13:23 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on November 19, 2022, 09:18:22 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 18, 2022, 11:47:38 PM
So Kevin Madden joins the famous Mayobridge club - a coach who has worked at top intercounty sides to work under Poacher. What is he thinking?
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 18, 2022, 11:47:38 PM
So Kevin Madden joins the famous Mayobridge club - a coach who has worked at top intercounty sides to work under Poacher. What is he thinking?

What exactly has Madden ever achieved?

Madden one of the biggest grifters about, he wouldn't care where he is as long as he is getting paid
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on November 19, 2022, 09:22:03 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 19, 2022, 09:05:53 PM
How's Australia going big man?
Young lotto

What?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 20, 2022, 03:26:47 PM

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Harsh, while true.
Every single one of them on the circuit is doing it for the money. And the fools, the fools keep handing it out so they deserve to get fleeced.
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What do you suggest clubs do then? Payments must be made - there is no point saying any different. The levels of pay some people ask for is ridiculous but it's up to clubs to make a judgement on how much they can afford and to stick to that. Clubs paying loads knowing their senior team will finish mid table at best and perhaps get to a 1/4 final of their level of championship is just silly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 20, 2022, 09:42:42 PM

Payments must be made? Really? There is no alternative?
It's high time that clubs woke up to the fact that the vast majority of these fellas are BS merchants. You might not think that you have better men in your club but you probably do. It's just that the day & hour you started to pay outsiders, your view of the inside man changed forever.
It will take a culture change to break the cycle but undoubtedly, if you want your club to improve, there are much better ways to invest that money than paying a man who will be managing against you in 2 years time.
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Yes payments must be made.. look around our county with over 40 football clubs and name the clubs being managed by their own people? There is too much politics involved with inside men and a hell of a lot of pressure. The natives in the club all express their opinion freely and the man or woman never gets a break from the whole thing. My own club are actually struggling to get underage mentors for next season due to parents.  Parents waiting on them after training/matches to give their tuppence worth on team selection and or the training session. The same parents wouldn't volunteer in the club if their lives depended on it.
Child protection courses
Someone on management team to handle the whatsup group and all the BS that goes with it
Ensuring you don't say anything negative to a child
Not raising your voice to a child
Giving everyone fair game time whether they train or not
Make training fun - it doesn't matter if you have a game in 3 days
Do not dare do hard work at training without a ball so when they get beat in games parents can say sure they are nowhere near fit enough
On game day make sure you pick the best player on the panel to play - it doesn't matter that he has missed 4 out of the last 6 trainings because he couldn't be assed going - his dad puts a bit of £££ into the club so make sure he plays.
And then the parents - oh the parents - training is too hard/training is a joke/team selection is all wrong/he hasn't a clue/I'm going to shout over the wire at my child and they will do as I say because I'm the expert

I can completely understand underage coaches not wanting to sign up - all of the above applies to in-house men at senior level too - the outsider gets a bye ball with some of this stuff. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 20, 2022, 10:13:49 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 20, 2022, 09:58:24 PM
As I say, if your club is prepared to dish out vast sums of money to dud after dud in order to shirk the responsibility of internal politics, then they deserve to get fleeced. And yes, the same problems will then manifest right down to fundamentals if your own club volunteers aren't afforded respect and support.
You need to ask yourself. How did it get to that? And does it not tell you that it's completely broken?

It's a societal thing I'm afraid - everyone has an opinion and are not afraid to share it - over and over again! The other reason is young ones have too much sway at home now. If they say the coach is poor - the parents automatically agree, if they say he is picking the wrong team - the parents automatically agree. It's nothing to do with paying people etc - it's society and GAA ain't changing that anytime soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 20, 2022, 11:38:37 PM
It's not so much keeping up with the Jones's, so much as refusing to accept the limits of a team's ability.

Every member of a club can tell you that their players x, y and z have so much more to give. Very few of them will accept that the main reason it doesn't happen, is because the players in question will never have the application to become the players we want them to be.

There could be a thousand reasons for that lack of application, but it tends to  boil down to lads just not having significant enjoyment/returns enough to put their lives on hold to play an amateur sport. Which is usually an easy concept to understand... except for members of a club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 21, 2022, 10:43:29 AM
Wobbler why were Ballyholland put into the B competition at under 20s when they are the second best team in Down at that level?

Not a dig but a strange choice to enter the Bs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 21, 2022, 10:52:06 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on November 21, 2022, 10:43:29 AM
Wobbler why were Ballyholland put into the B competition at under 20s when they are the second best team in Down at that level?

Not a dig but a strange choice to enter the Bs

Easy answer. Player numbers.

A photo recently went up on FB of this group when they won SD u14, 6 years ago. Only 8 of the panel were still playing. Another 3 have come back to the fold the past few weeks, as momentum has gathered. But if we'd entered the 15 a side competition, the early rounds would have either seen us unable to field, or mullered out of sight.

Trust me when I tell you that everyone in Ballyholland wants to see us playing A grade in every competition, always. But sometimes it's just not an option



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 21, 2022, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: Lotto on November 19, 2022, 06:58:06 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 19, 2022, 01:14:03 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 18, 2022, 11:47:38 PM
So Kevin Madden joins the famous Mayobridge club - a coach who has worked at top intercounty sides to work under Poacher. What is he thinking?

Down clubs offer the best expenses about.

Has to be purely about the money. Why else would anyone travel from Antrim 3/4 times a week to be involved with a team who have no chance of winning anything, never mind sharing the sideline with a mad man?

Lotto , you have anger issues and must be the best coach in the country as all you do is slate every coach going. Laverty/Coulter/Clarke/Poacher to name a few. Take a day off and quit with the personal attacks.

Mickey Harte took Kevin Madden with him to Tyrone so without knowing him I would hazard a guess that he is a good coach. Mickey Harte knows a lot know than the people on this board know about football. It's an interesting dynamic but without Quinn I can't see Mayobridge beating Burren or Kilcoo.

Worrying times for two of the traditional East Down superpowers who cannot get a manager over the line and its near December. Most clubs have met and began winter training in the gym.

A clubman managing their own club is a poison chalice and I understand why clubs go for outsiders. as a wise man once said "a prophet is not accepted in his own hometown"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on November 21, 2022, 11:31:16 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 21, 2022, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: Lotto on November 19, 2022, 06:58:06 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 19, 2022, 01:14:03 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 18, 2022, 11:47:38 PM
So Kevin Madden joins the famous Mayobridge club - a coach who has worked at top intercounty sides to work under Poacher. What is he thinking?

Down clubs offer the best expenses about.

Has to be purely about the money. Why else would anyone travel from Antrim 3/4 times a week to be involved with a team who have no chance of winning anything, never mind sharing the sideline with a mad man?

Lotto , you have anger issues and must be the best coach in the country as all you do is slate every coach going. Laverty/Coulter/Clarke/Poacher to name a few. Take a day off and quit with the personal attacks.

Mickey Harte took Kevin Madden with him to Tyrone so without knowing him I would hazard a guess that he is a good coach. Mickey Harte knows a lot know than the people on this board know about football. It's an interesting dynamic but without Quinn I can't see Mayobridge beating Burren or Kilcoo.

Worrying times for two of the traditional East Down superpowers who cannot get a manager over the line and its near December. Most clubs have met and began winter training in the gym.

A clubman managing their own club is a poison chalice and I understand why clubs go for outsiders. as a wide man once said "a prophet is not accepted in his own hometown"

How wide was he? Big broad back or wide at the hips?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on November 21, 2022, 01:40:36 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 21, 2022, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: Lotto on November 19, 2022, 06:58:06 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 19, 2022, 01:14:03 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 18, 2022, 11:47:38 PM
So Kevin Madden joins the famous Mayobridge club - a coach who has worked at top intercounty sides to work under Poacher. What is he thinking?

Down clubs offer the best expenses about.

Has to be purely about the money. Why else would anyone travel from Antrim 3/4 times a week to be involved with a team who have no chance of winning anything, never mind sharing the sideline with a mad man?

Lotto , you have anger issues and must be the best coach in the country as all you do is slate every coach going. Laverty/Coulter/Clarke/Poacher to name a few. Take a day off and quit with the personal attacks.

Mickey Harte took Kevin Madden with him to Tyrone so without knowing him I would hazard a guess that he is a good coach. Mickey Harte knows a lot know than the people on this board know about football. It's an interesting dynamic but without Quinn I can't see Mayobridge beating Burren or Kilcoo.

Worrying times for two of the traditional East Down superpowers who cannot get a manager over the line and its near December. Most clubs have met and began winter training in the gym.

A clubman managing their own club is a poison chalice and I understand why clubs go for outsiders. as a wise man once said "a prophet is not accepted in his own hometown"


Big division 1 clubs no manager either, Downpatrick and Clonduff yet to confirm appointments?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 21, 2022, 01:45:25 PM
Quote from: GAA Madness on November 21, 2022, 01:40:36 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 21, 2022, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: Lotto on November 19, 2022, 06:58:06 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 19, 2022, 01:14:03 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 18, 2022, 11:47:38 PM
So Kevin Madden joins the famous Mayobridge club - a coach who has worked at top intercounty sides to work under Poacher. What is he thinking?

Down clubs offer the best expenses about.

Has to be purely about the money. Why else would anyone travel from Antrim 3/4 times a week to be involved with a team who have no chance of winning anything, never mind sharing the sideline with a mad man?

Lotto , you have anger issues and must be the best coach in the country as all you do is slate every coach going. Laverty/Coulter/Clarke/Poacher to name a few. Take a day off and quit with the personal attacks.

Mickey Harte took Kevin Madden with him to Tyrone so without knowing him I would hazard a guess that he is a good coach. Mickey Harte knows a lot know than the people on this board know about football. It's an interesting dynamic but without Quinn I can't see Mayobridge beating Burren or Kilcoo.

Worrying times for two of the traditional East Down superpowers who cannot get a manager over the line and its near December. Most clubs have met and began winter training in the gym.

A clubman managing their own club is a poison chalice and I understand why clubs go for outsiders. as a wise man once said "a prophet is not accepted in his own hometown"


Big division 1 clubs no manager either, Downpatrick and Clonduff yet to confirm appointments?

Big Paul Evans is over RGU next season. Clonduff have no one in place as I understand. Liatriom have appointed Paddy Murray and Sean Micheal Johnstone from Kilcoo to take them next year. A strange appointment as when I was in high school, Kilcoo and Liatriom was as big as Byransford v Castlewellan rivalry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on November 21, 2022, 07:53:33 PM
Are there many senior teams throughout the league still searching for a management team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 21, 2022, 10:18:57 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on November 21, 2022, 07:53:33 PM
Are there many senior teams throughout the league still searching for a management team?

Clonduff
Bryansford
Drumgath
Annaclone

I think that's the lot..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 22, 2022, 09:07:40 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 21, 2022, 10:18:57 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on November 21, 2022, 07:53:33 PM
Are there many senior teams throughout the league still searching for a management team?

Clonduff
Bryansford
Drumgath
Annaclone

I think that's the lot..

Castlewellan ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 22, 2022, 09:35:43 AM
For next years senior championship I would like to see something like this being trialed. It would give players from div 3 and 4 a chance to play senior championship. John Fegan should discuss on his podcast this week.

4 Amalgamations

South Down/ Mourne
Glasdrumman
Mitchell's
Attical
Bosco
Ballymartin

North Down/ Kinelarty
Kilclief
East Belfast
Tecconaught
St Pauls
Drumaness

East Down/ Lecale
Dundrum
Ardglass
Bright
The Fin
ST Johns

West Down/ Iveagh
Aghaderg
St Micheals
Dromara
Banbridge
Tullylish
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 22, 2022, 09:47:40 AM
I'd like to have an SFC trial in which Ballyholland and Mitchels are granted byes all the way to the final.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 22, 2022, 10:00:52 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2022, 09:47:40 AM
I'd like to have an SFC trial in which Ballyholland and Mitchels are granted byes all the way to the final.

If you appeal enough times that might just happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 22, 2022, 10:50:37 AM
Appeals is the GAA way. I don't like it myself. But for better or worse, it's part of our association's culture.

——

But what you're suggesting is ludicrous ie that players who train and compete at a junior level would be able to leave behind historic and ongoing factions with neighbouring clubs, would relegate/balance the needs of their own club championships, and convivially come together under a nonsense moniker and not embarrass themselves at senior football.

If you believe in fairy stories like that, you probably believe that the GAA appeals process is never abused too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 22, 2022, 12:57:19 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 22, 2022, 09:35:43 AM
For next years senior championship I would like to see something like this being trialed. It would give players from div 3 and 4 a chance to play senior championship. John Fegan should discuss on his podcast this week.

4 Amalgamations

South Down/ Mourne
Glasdrumman
Mitchell's
Attical
Bosco
Ballymartin

North Down/ Kinelarty
Kilclief
East Belfast
Tecconaught
St Pauls
Drumaness

East Down/ Lecale
Dundrum
Ardglass
Bright
The Fin
ST Johns

West Down/ Iveagh
Aghaderg
St Micheals
Dromara
Banbridge
Tullylish

Looks like you need a new map, Kilclief seems to be in the wrong place on yours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 22, 2022, 01:07:03 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 22, 2022, 10:50:37 AM
Appeals is the GAA way. I don't like it myself. But for better or worse, it's part of our association's culture.

——

But what you're suggesting is ludicrous ie that players who train and compete at a junior level would be able to leave behind historic and ongoing factions with neighbouring clubs, would relegate/balance the needs of their own club championships, and convivially come together under a nonsense moniker and not embarrass themselves at senior football.

If you believe in fairy stories like that, you probably believe that the GAA appeals process is never abused too.

Is has happened before in Down most recently in 2011 where ASK Lecale  (Ardglass, Saul, Kilclief) were beaten by Longstone in the first round of the championship but they were not embarrassed .

It happens in Kerry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 22, 2022, 05:47:47 PM

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Castlewellan ?
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Barney Cunningham/Ciaran McCabe in place here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 22, 2022, 05:52:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 22, 2022, 09:35:43 AM
For next years senior championship I would like to see something like this being trialed. It would give players from div 3 and 4 a chance to play senior championship. John Fegan should discuss on his podcast this week.

4 Amalgamations

South Down/ Mourne
Glasdrumman
Mitchell's
Attical
Bosco
Ballymartin

North Down/ Kinelarty
Kilclief
East Belfast
Tecconaught
St Pauls
Drumaness

East Down/ Lecale
Dundrum
Ardglass
Bright
The Fin
ST Johns

West Down/ Iveagh
Aghaderg
St Micheals
Dromara
Banbridge
Tullylish

Be nice if John got a chance to actually talk on the show. The last couple of weeks he is the only one to make sense compared to the other regular pundits. On the rest of this post - can you imagine what the likes of Kilcoo would do to these teams!! Embarrassing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 22, 2022, 06:02:37 PM
John Clarke and Jackie Lynch for Bryansford apparently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on November 22, 2022, 09:55:43 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 22, 2022, 09:35:43 AM
For next years senior championship I would like to see something like this being trialed. It would give players from div 3 and 4 a chance to play senior championship. John Fegan should discuss on his podcast this week.

4 Amalgamations

South Down/ Mourne
Glasdrumman
Mitchell's
Attical
Bosco
Ballymartin

North Down/ Kinelarty
Kilclief
East Belfast
Tecconaught
St Pauls
Drumaness

East Down/ Lecale
Dundrum
Ardglass
Bright
The Fin
ST Johns

West Down/ Iveagh
Aghaderg
St Micheals
Dromara
Banbridge
Tullylish

Wouldn't appeal to me at all that
The championship the way it is is a lot better
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 23, 2022, 07:29:31 AM
Colm ORourke has introduced something similar in Meath, the regional teams play in a separate competition, not the Sfc, not sure if that is to change though.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 23, 2022, 08:40:52 AM
New Meath manager Colm O'Rourke hopes a regionalised football tournament for junior and intermediate club players will help him uncover some hidden gems for the Royals.

Meath will tonight unveil plans for a Regional Football Championship, which is to get under way later this month and is to run annually in the county.

The format of this year's competition has seen eight regional teams established – Tara, Bru na Boinne, Boyne Valley, An Tuascairt, Blackwater, Lough Crew, Darnley and Moyfenragh.

Each side is an amalgamation of clubs, for example Boyne Valley will be comprised of players from Rathkenny, Walterstown, Bective and Slane.


All of the games will be played midweek at Meath GAA's Centre of Excellence in Dunganny.



O'Rourke's appointment to the position of manager has raised hopes in the county that Meath's lengthy spell lost in the purgatory of Dublin's dark shadow could be about to draw to a close.

However, O'Rourke knows for that to happen he must first bring some new talent to the squad. The 1987 and 1988 All-Ireland winning forward was manager of Simonstown this year and so he is aware of the talent that exists in the county at senior level.

In an effort to ensure the best players from the county's junior and intermediate clubs are afforded an opportunity to show what they are capable of, this new regional championship will provide them with that shop window.

Meath will play in Division Two of the National Football League next year, where already promotion to the top flight looks like it will difficult for the Royals given the likes of Dublin, Derry, Kildare and Cork will also be vying for a top two finish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 23, 2022, 08:41:31 AM
Was Clarke not meant to be heading to Drumgath?

Teams left without anyone

Clonduff
Bryansford
Annaclone
Drumgath (but thought Clarke was in)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 23, 2022, 08:56:01 AM
I am finding it hard to find schools results on websites or schools Facebook page. I seen the st Malachys beat the Red High in Rafferty (Rannafast B ) and St Colmans Newry got beat in both MacRory and Corn Na Nog recently. Any update on how schools in Down are getting on at the minute. Are we competing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on November 23, 2022, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 23, 2022, 08:56:01 AM
I am finding it hard to find schools results on websites or schools Facebook page. I seen the st Malachys beat the Red High in Rafferty (Rannafast B ) and St Colmans Newry got beat in both MacRory and Corn Na Nog recently. Any update on how schools in Down are getting on at the minute. Are we competing?

Ulster Colleges website is away to feck in recent years, hard to get or find results.

Below is the only results I could find on the Macrory Cup

MacRory Cup
Abbey CBS, Newry   1-12 2-9   Monaghan, St Macartan's College
Abbey were 2-07 to 0-03 down at HT, a game with a massive wind apparently.
Abbey Scorers - E Loughran 1-8, R Powell 0-2, J Crummey 0-1, C O'Hare 0-1.

Newry, St Colman's College   1-13    4-06  Castleblaney, Our Lady's Secondary School


No results for any of the below competitions, but a bit of information of schools playing at certain levels

Other Down Teams
St Patrick's Downpatrick - MacLarnon Cup (MacRory B).
St Coleman's & Abbey are in the same Rannafast (5th Year) Group.
St Colemans 5-06    0-14 Abbey CBS
St Patrick's, Downpatrick & St Malachy's ,Castlewellen. Also, in the same group in the Rafferty Cup (Rannafast B)


The Ulster Schools GAA page might be better for backtracking & trying to find results?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 23, 2022, 11:47:03 AM
Quote from: toby47 on November 23, 2022, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 23, 2022, 08:56:01 AM
I am finding it hard to find schools results on websites or schools Facebook page. I seen the st Malachys beat the Red High in Rafferty (Rannafast B ) and St Colmans Newry got beat in both MacRory and Corn Na Nog recently. Any update on how schools in Down are getting on at the minute. Are we competing?

Ulster Colleges website is away to feck in recent years, hard to get or find results.

Below is the only results I could find on the Macrory Cup

MacRory Cup
Abbey CBS, Newry   1-12 2-9   Monaghan, St Macartan's College
Abbey were 2-07 to 0-03 down at HT, a game with a massive wind apparently.
Abbey Scorers - E Loughran 1-8, R Powell 0-2, J Crummey 0-1, C O'Hare 0-1.

Newry, St Colman's College   1-13    4-06  Castleblaney, Our Lady's Secondary School


No results for any of the below competitions, but a bit of information of schools playing at certain levels

Other Down Teams
St Patrick's Downpatrick - MacLarnon Cup (MacRory B).
St Coleman's & Abbey are in the same Rannafast (5th Year) Group.
St Colemans 5-06    0-14 Abbey CBS
St Patrick's, Downpatrick & St Malachy's ,Castlewellen. Also, in the same group in the Rafferty Cup (Rannafast B)


The Ulster Schools GAA page might be better for backtracking & trying to find results?

Thanks Toby, yeah its very hard to find fixtures and results on Ulster GAA games.

Though the Red High beat Eniskillen Royal in soccer yesterday and St Marks year eight were beaten by Kilkeel High.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on November 23, 2022, 11:55:35 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 23, 2022, 11:47:03 AM
Quote from: toby47 on November 23, 2022, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 23, 2022, 08:56:01 AM
I am finding it hard to find schools results on websites or schools Facebook page. I seen the st Malachys beat the Red High in Rafferty (Rannafast B ) and St Colmans Newry got beat in both MacRory and Corn Na Nog recently. Any update on how schools in Down are getting on at the minute. Are we competing?

Ulster Colleges website is away to feck in recent years, hard to get or find results.

Below is the only results I could find on the Macrory Cup

MacRory Cup
Abbey CBS, Newry   1-12 2-9   Monaghan, St Macartan's College
Abbey were 2-07 to 0-03 down at HT, a game with a massive wind apparently.
Abbey Scorers - E Loughran 1-8, R Powell 0-2, J Crummey 0-1, C O'Hare 0-1.

Newry, St Colman's College   1-13    4-06  Castleblaney, Our Lady's Secondary School


No results for any of the below competitions, but a bit of information of schools playing at certain levels

Other Down Teams
St Patrick's Downpatrick - MacLarnon Cup (MacRory B).
St Coleman's & Abbey are in the same Rannafast (5th Year) Group.
St Colemans 5-06    0-14 Abbey CBS
St Patrick's, Downpatrick & St Malachy's ,Castlewellen. Also, in the same group in the Rafferty Cup (Rannafast B)


The Ulster Schools GAA page might be better for backtracking & trying to find results?

Thanks Toby, yeah its very hard to find fixtures and results on Ulster GAA games.

Though the Red High beat Eniskillen Royal in soccer yesterday and St Marks year eight were beaten by Kilkeel High.

Any idea what club E Loughran is from? 1-8 is big scoring at MacRory level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 23, 2022, 12:03:09 PM
Eoin from Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 06:10:50 PM
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 23, 2022, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 06:10:50 PM
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 23, 2022, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 06:10:50 PM
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they aren't at that standard, then why not given my points above?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 23, 2022, 09:22:57 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 23, 2022, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 06:10:50 PM
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they aren't at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 24, 2022, 08:51:02 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 23, 2022, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 06:10:50 PM
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they aren't at that standard, then why not given my points above?

I see st Pauls Bessbrook beat St Pats Maghera in Rannafast quarters yesterday. Are there any Down players on the squad?  Fair play to them for testing themselves against the best.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pbat on November 24, 2022, 10:47:55 AM
What age is Rannafast? U16?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on November 24, 2022, 10:52:08 AM
Quote from: pbat on November 24, 2022, 10:47:55 AM
What age is Rannafast? U16?

Yeah under 16.5
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on November 24, 2022, 11:26:19 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 24, 2022, 08:51:02 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 23, 2022, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 06:10:50 PM
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they aren't at that standard, then why not given my points above?

I see st Pauls Bessbrook beat St Pats Maghera in Rannafast quarters yesterday. Are there any Down players on the squad?  Fair play to them for testing themselves against the best.

Fair play for testing themselves , if they have a good team they will but if not they stay at B level, a school with their numbers should be A all competitions/ years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 24, 2022, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 23, 2022, 09:22:57 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 23, 2022, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 06:10:50 PM
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they aren't at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.

They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skill's & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as it's easier rather than being tested at McRory level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 24, 2022, 02:31:58 PM
The Red High have only won the McLarnon 5 times in their history but won the Rannafast 3 times in the early 80s with players like John Kelly and Barry Breen among the winners. A big school with a rich history and good gaa clubs feeding the school.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 24, 2022, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 24, 2022, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 23, 2022, 09:22:57 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 23, 2022, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 06:10:50 PM
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they aren't at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.

They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skill's & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as it's easier rather than being tested at McRory level.

There wasn't a huge emphasis on building a team to go up through the age groups when I was there, especially after the sad passing of Pat O'Hare, who was a real gentleman and brilliant with all the students who had the privilege of being there when he was there. Barry Kelly was another who was very good with the older age groups, but I'm talking about starting in year 8 and aiming to continuously improve up to the upper age group. I don't think they play at this level as it's easier, they are just playing at their level, which is demonstrated by their record in the competition.

They have a Down coach there now, who is good at what he does, but it takes years to build that culture within the school, and a strong footballing reputation that attracts 'stronger' players to the school.

I am not trying to be overly critical of those who have put in great work over the years, simply trying to point out that there were always a few good football people employed in the school, but it maybe wasn't a top priority of the school for many years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 24, 2022, 04:47:00 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 24, 2022, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 24, 2022, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 23, 2022, 09:22:57 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 23, 2022, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 06:10:50 PM
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they aren't at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.

They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skill's & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as it's easier rather than being tested at McRory level.

There wasn't a huge emphasis on building a team to go up through the age groups when I was there, especially after the sad passing of Pat O'Hare, who was a real gentleman and brilliant with all the students who had the privilege of being there when he was there. Barry Kelly was another who was very good with the older age groups, but I'm talking about starting in year 8 and aiming to continuously improve up to the upper age group. I don't think they play at this level as it's easier, they are just playing at their level, which is demonstrated by their record in the competition.

They have a Down coach there now, who is good at what he does, but it takes years to build that culture within the school, and a strong footballing reputation that attracts 'stronger' players to the school.

I am not trying to be overly critical of those who have put in great work over the years, simply trying to point out that there were always a few good football people employed in the school, but it maybe wasn't a top priority of the school for many years.

The primary school coaches should be helping out in schools that are struggling with GAA, that where Down an improve.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 24, 2022, 05:28:28 PM

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They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skill's & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as it's easier rather than being tested at McRory level.
[/quote]

Who is this??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Phoenix rising on November 24, 2022, 06:17:19 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 24, 2022, 04:47:00 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 24, 2022, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 24, 2022, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 23, 2022, 09:22:57 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on November 23, 2022, 07:54:50 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 23, 2022, 06:10:50 PM
Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they aren't at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.

They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skill's & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as it's easier rather than being tested at McRory level.

There wasn't a huge emphasis on building a team to go up through the age groups when I was there, especially after the sad passing of Pat O'Hare, who was a real gentleman and brilliant with all the students who had the privilege of being there when he was there. Barry Kelly was another who was very good with the older age groups, but I'm talking about starting in year 8 and aiming to continuously improve up to the upper age group. I don't think they play at this level as it's easier, they are just playing at their level, which is demonstrated by their record in the competition.

They have a Down coach there now, who is good at what he does, but it takes years to build that culture within the school, and a strong footballing reputation that attracts 'stronger' players to the school.

I am not trying to be overly critical of those who have put in great work over the years, simply trying to  point out that there  8)were always a few good football people employed in the school, but it maybe wasn't a top priority of the school for many years.

The primary school coaches should be helping out in schools that are struggling with GAA, that where Down an improve.

Declan Morgan has been there at least 8 years,
- Gaelic football in the school is a joke.....should be winning McLarnons - maybe they are waiting to amalgamate with De La Salle before pushing on....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 24, 2022, 06:24:05 PM
Morgan has taken a career break, more money in the coffee shops!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 25, 2022, 08:48:52 AM
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Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they aren't at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.

They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skill's & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as it's easier rather than being tested at McRory level.

There wasn't a huge emphasis on building a team to go up through the age groups when I was there, especially after the sad passing of Pat O'Hare, who was a real gentleman and brilliant with all the students who had the privilege of being there when he was there. Barry Kelly was another who was very good with the older age groups, but I'm talking about starting in year 8 and aiming to continuously improve up to the upper age group. I don't think they play at this level as it's easier, they are just playing at their level, which is demonstrated by their record in the competition.

They have a Down coach there now, who is good at what he does, but it takes years to build that culture within the school, and a strong footballing reputation that attracts 'stronger' players to the school.

I am not trying to be overly critical of those who have put in great work over the years, simply trying to  point out that there  8)were always a few good football people employed in the school, but it maybe wasn't a top priority of the school for many years.

The primary school coaches should be helping out in schools that are struggling with GAA, that where Down an improve.

Declan Morgan has been there at least 8 years,
- Gaelic football in the school is a joke.....should be winning McLarnons - maybe they are waiting to amalgamate with De La Salle before pushing on....

When the amalgamation happens they will certainly be a MacRory team. I think they are a strong school but could be better given the rich clubs that feed the school.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 25, 2022, 09:16:28 AM
I don't think they will be a MacRory team if the merge with DLS. DLS haven't really done much in schools football in 20 plus years have they?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 25, 2022, 09:19:31 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 25, 2022, 09:16:28 AM
I don't think they will be a MacRory team if the merge with DLS. DLS haven't really done much in schools football in 20 plus years have they?

The numbers that they will increase the chances. On the subject of schools, who is pushing soccer in St Marks Warrenpoint? They seem to be playing a game every day. Do Warrenpoint Town FC help them out as they seem to be good at it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 25, 2022, 11:50:33 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 25, 2022, 09:19:31 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 25, 2022, 09:16:28 AM
I don't think they will be a MacRory team if the merge with DLS. DLS haven't really done much in schools football in 20 plus years have they?

The numbers that they will increase the chances. On the subject of schools, who is pushing soccer in St Marks Warrenpoint? They seem to be playing a game every day. Do Warrenpoint Town FC help them out as they seem to be good at it.

Increased numbers doesn't automatically transmit to success. As mentioned, there are other factors that feed in to this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 25, 2022, 11:52:37 AM
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Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they aren't at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.

They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skill's & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as it's easier rather than being tested at McRory level.

There wasn't a huge emphasis on building a team to go up through the age groups when I was there, especially after the sad passing of Pat O'Hare, who was a real gentleman and brilliant with all the students who had the privilege of being there when he was there. Barry Kelly was another who was very good with the older age groups, but I'm talking about starting in year 8 and aiming to continuously improve up to the upper age group. I don't think they play at this level as it's easier, they are just playing at their level, which is demonstrated by their record in the competition.

They have a Down coach there now, who is good at what he does, but it takes years to build that culture within the school, and a strong footballing reputation that attracts 'stronger' players to the school.

I am not trying to be overly critical of those who have put in great work over the years, simply trying to point out that there were always a few good football people employed in the school, but it maybe wasn't a top priority of the school for many years.

The primary school coaches should be helping out in schools that are struggling with GAA, that where Down an improve.

You have that a little backwards, it's Down GAA that should be helping the primary schools (and put in place structures for their associated clubs to become more involved where possible), that's where Down can improve.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 25, 2022, 12:14:30 PM
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Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they aren't at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.

They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skill's & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as it's easier rather than being tested at McRory level.

There wasn't a huge emphasis on building a team to go up through the age groups when I was there, especially after the sad passing of Pat O'Hare, who was a real gentleman and brilliant with all the students who had the privilege of being there when he was there. Barry Kelly was another who was very good with the older age groups, but I'm talking about starting in year 8 and aiming to continuously improve up to the upper age group. I don't think they play at this level as it's easier, they are just playing at their level, which is demonstrated by their record in the competition.

They have a Down coach there now, who is good at what he does, but it takes years to build that culture within the school, and a strong footballing reputation that attracts 'stronger' players to the school.

I am not trying to be overly critical of those who have put in great work over the years, simply trying to point out that there were always a few good football people employed in the school, but it maybe wasn't a top priority of the school for many years.

The primary school coaches should be helping out in schools that are struggling with GAA, that where Down an improve.

You have that a little backwards, it's Down GAA that should be helping the primary schools (and put in place structures for their associated clubs to become more involved where possible), that's where Down can improve.

But Down do help with the primary schools and they want to help in secondary but are not allowed to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 25, 2022, 01:34:44 PM
I see Clonduff have announced Adrian Cush and another fella as their new management team.  The Clonduff people must want a cure for Insomnia.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: delgany on November 25, 2022, 02:25:11 PM
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Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they aren't at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.

They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skill's & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as it's easier rather than being tested at McRory level.

There wasn't a huge emphasis on building a team to go up through the age groups when I was there, especially after the sad passing of Pat O'Hare, who was a real gentleman and brilliant with all the students who had the privilege of being there when he was there. Barry Kelly was another who was very good with the older age groups, but I'm talking about starting in year 8 and aiming to continuously improve up to the upper age group. I don't think they play at this level as it's easier, they are just playing at their level, which is demonstrated by their record in the competition.

They have a Down coach there now, who is good at what he does, but it takes years to build that culture within the school, and a strong footballing reputation that attracts 'stronger' players to the school.

I am not trying to be overly critical of those who have put in great work over the years, simply trying to point out that there were always a few good football people employed in the school, but it maybe wasn't a top priority of the school for many years.

The primary school coaches should be helping out in schools that are struggling with GAA, that where Down an improve.

You have that a little backwards, it's Down GAA that should be helping the primary schools (and put in place structures for their associated clubs to become more involved where possible), that's where Down can improve.

But Down do help with the primary schools and they want to help in secondary but are not allowed to.

Who are these primary school coaches ? Do they operate in all areas of the county ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 25, 2022, 02:49:51 PM
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Why do the Red High play in the McLarnon rather than McCrory cup?
They have a large pool of players from some good senior clubs.
They often have multiple county minors & development squad members.

Surely they should be testing themselves against the best in Ulster rather than chasing B grade trophies?

Because they aren't at that standard. If they were, they'd win or at least challenge for it regularly.

They won it two years ago & make the later stages most seasons.

If, however, as you say they aren't at that standard, then why not given my points above?

They won it in 2019, and in 2001. Not exactly a powerhouse at that level.

Drawing some players from good senior clubs doesn't automatically mean success. It requires an emphasis on coaching those players from 1st year onwards, aiming to have them compete at the higher end of the scale in the junior years before challenging at the top level in year 6/7. Some schools don't prioritise that as much as others, or they don't have the coaches in place throughout the age groups to allow a team to develop and compete as it moves up through the age groups in the school competitions. I'd suggest the Red High historically hasn't really put a huge emphasis on building an 'elite' sporting culture within the school, although the recent hurling success seemed to be down to a few years of good work and building towards what they ended up achieving. Just takes having the right people employed at the school who really want to drive it on, and who have the skills and knowledge to do so.

They put a big emphasis on football in the Red High especially as the players get older.

As for employing people with the right skill's & knowledge, the coach of the Down senior footballers works there!!

I honestly think they just play at a lower level as it's easier rather than being tested at McRory level.

There wasn't a huge emphasis on building a team to go up through the age groups when I was there, especially after the sad passing of Pat O'Hare, who was a real gentleman and brilliant with all the students who had the privilege of being there when he was there. Barry Kelly was another who was very good with the older age groups, but I'm talking about starting in year 8 and aiming to continuously improve up to the upper age group. I don't think they play at this level as it's easier, they are just playing at their level, which is demonstrated by their record in the competition.

They have a Down coach there now, who is good at what he does, but it takes years to build that culture within the school, and a strong footballing reputation that attracts 'stronger' players to the school.

I am not trying to be overly critical of those who have put in great work over the years, simply trying to point out that there were always a few good football people employed in the school, but it maybe wasn't a top priority of the school for many years.

The primary school coaches should be helping out in schools that are struggling with GAA, that where Down an improve.

You have that a little backwards, it's Down GAA that should be helping the primary schools (and put in place structures for their associated clubs to become more involved where possible), that's where Down can improve.

But Down do help with the primary schools and they want to help in secondary but are not allowed to.

Who are these primary school coaches ? Do they operate in all areas of the county ?

I would imagine they do and if they don't go to your school I would be complaining to the county office. There might be a reason behind it like they are not allowed access to the school.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 25, 2022, 08:24:28 PM
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The numbers that they will increase the chances. On the subject of schools, who is pushing soccer in St Marks Warrenpoint? They seem to be playing a game every day. Do Warrenpoint Town FC help them out as they seem to be good at it.
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Absolute disgrace of a school with their lack of push towards gaelic games now. A school built on GAA and the link with feeder clubs. Soccer team actually cut their panel which is very damaging to young fellas mental health. Just stuck the names on a list that made the panel. Not the way it should be in a team all inclusive setting.  From a GAA perspective- what my lad tells me - the better coaches in the school are not even taking teams this year either girls or boys. Barney had everyone pulling together for the greater good and got success galore. How I wish his son Niall was head of PE - someone who understands what this school means to the area.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 25, 2022, 09:00:06 PM
East Belfast Dinner Dance looked like fun.. Digs flying everywhere and that was just the women
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: smort on November 25, 2022, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 25, 2022, 09:00:06 PM
East Belfast Dinner Dance looked like fun.. Digs flying everywhere and that was just the women

Fake news
https://twitter.com/EastBelfastGAA/status/1595020791527395339?t=M_JIHmRsnzHgHCLjlSRr-Q&s=19 (https://twitter.com/EastBelfastGAA/status/1595020791527395339?t=M_JIHmRsnzHgHCLjlSRr-Q&s=19)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 25, 2022, 09:18:17 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 25, 2022, 09:00:06 PM
East Belfast Dinner Dance looked like fun.. Digs flying everywhere and that was just the women

It was a traveller wedding.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 25, 2022, 09:30:51 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on November 25, 2022, 09:18:17 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on November 25, 2022, 09:00:06 PM
East Belfast Dinner Dance looked like fun.. Digs flying everywhere and that was just the women

It was a traveller wedding.

Ahh I thought the cross community project had gone wrong once the drink went in.. Never mind
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 26, 2022, 09:10:35 AM
Is the Kilcoo game this evening on tv anywhere?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on November 26, 2022, 09:50:46 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 26, 2022, 09:10:35 AM
Is the Kilcoo game this evening on tv anywhere?
no. on ulster gaa tv for 10er
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on November 26, 2022, 01:30:27 PM
Best of luck to Kilcoo this evening and Liatroim next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Conks on November 26, 2022, 03:58:12 PM
A lot of chat about the Red High playing B Football. Given how successful they are at Hurling with a large intake from the Ards, that might explain why they are not at MacRory due a large number of boys each year concentrating on Hurling.
With regards the propsed amalgamation, more numbers in this case will not translate to better teams as their traditional feeder clubs outside of the Downpatrick postcode will have to sit an entrance exam to the new school. This could see these students not get in and even if they pass, still denied a place due to numbers. The result being they go to other schools leaving the new school teams reliant on just 4-5 local clubs around Downpatrick. This will probably mean dropping down the grades in Ulster Schools.
Not much chat about St Malachy's with their large intake and rich feeder clubs dropping down to C grade Markey Cup this season or indeed Kilkeel and Warrenpoint playing at C grades.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 26, 2022, 04:13:37 PM
Quote from: Conks on November 26, 2022, 03:58:12 PM
A lot of chat about the Red High playing B Football. Given how successful they are at Hurling with a large intake from the Ards, that might explain why they are not at MacRory due a large number of boys each year concentrating on Hurling.
With regards the propsed amalgamation, more numbers in this case will not translate to better teams as their traditional feeder clubs outside of the Downpatrick postcode will have to sit an entrance exam to the new school. This could see these students not get in and even if they pass, still denied a place due to numbers. The result being they go to other schools leaving the new school teams reliant on just 4-5 local clubs around Downpatrick. This will probably mean dropping down the grades in Ulster Schools.
Not much chat about St Malachy's with their large intake and rich feeder clubs dropping down to C grade Markey Cup this season or indeed Kilkeel and Warrenpoint playing at C grades.

You've not been around the board long plenty of chat about St Mals and St Marks schools.. As a past pupil of St Mals it's sad to see the school seems to have given up on Football/Hurling. Loss of PJ Magee and Paul Duffin at the same time was massive and nowhere close to being replaced near 10 years on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on November 26, 2022, 06:34:15 PM
What is going on with St Colmans College?

The favourites for the McC cup and beat twice

Only for a shambolic rule that all teams qualify they were gone

Play matches pre Christmas but nobody gets knocked out
A once great school under Morgan are being run by a clown
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on November 26, 2022, 06:46:12 PM
Kilcoo strolling to the final,Enniskillen very poor and a poor reflection of Fermanagh club football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 26, 2022, 06:48:26 PM
Quote from: Targetman on November 26, 2022, 06:46:12 PM
Kilcoo strolling to the final,Enniskillen very poor and a poor reflection of Fermanagh club football.

The standard in down is obviously a lot higher than our county team reflects.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on November 26, 2022, 07:46:41 PM
Or a more likely explanation is they treat down as a warm up to the real thing .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on November 26, 2022, 07:59:25 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on November 26, 2022, 07:46:41 PM
Or a more likely explanation is they treat down as a warm up to the real thing .

They were a penalty kick away from being knocked out. Risky strategy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on November 26, 2022, 08:03:48 PM
Risky for sure , but it's either go full on for Down and risk burnout for all Ireland series or risk going steady through Down and peak for an all Ireland series . With numerous Down titles in the bag I'd imagine the second risk is probably worth it in their mind . Just how it looks to me . No coincidence they just about slip through Down year on year then look a different team in ulster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 26, 2022, 08:06:38 PM
Risk burn out my arse.

There's a couple of weeks between games.

You're overthinking things.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on November 26, 2022, 08:19:53 PM
Burnout probably the wrong phrase . Peaking at the right time of year is more what I meant . Their peaking window time is different than other Down clubs ,unfortunately for the rest  they have enough depth to not peak and still win Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 26, 2022, 09:48:13 PM
Quote from: stiff breeze on November 26, 2022, 08:19:53 PM
Burnout probably the wrong phrase . Peaking at the right time of year is more what I meant . Their peaking window time is different than other Down clubs ,unfortunately for the rest  they have enough depth to not peak and still win Down

Again. Not trying to be mean here. But you're just throwing out a cliche. Teams that are serial winners in all sports are lauded for their ability to peak at the right time.

But it's nonsense. They are aerial winners because they're better than their opponents.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on November 26, 2022, 10:03:09 PM
If that was true then every best team or player in every team or individual sport would win all the time. They don't because of other factors including physically and mentally peaking at the right time . It's not cliche it's just modern sports science . Don't worry about being mean , it's only my opinion so I'm not offended if you don't agree   :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on November 26, 2022, 10:03:43 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on November 26, 2022, 09:11:04 PM
Alternatively, it could be that Down have a couple of decent club teams with a lot of experience playing against Kilcoo and are therefore further down the line of working out how to play against them than random teams across Ulster who rarely play them.

Also worth noting that club football rarely gives any indication of the strength of the county team.

This could be true also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 26, 2022, 10:06:38 PM
Kilcoo look like All Ireland champions and I think they will do back to back - who will actually stop them?

On the school debate, rather than talk about St Marks or St Malachy's let's look at a town close to my heart, Downpatrick, one of the largest towns in our county and yet we have two all boys schools who are certainly underachievers. Red High have been a disgrace of a school in recent years, and since Brady and Adams have left De La Salle they are another school who should be ashamed of their efforts in GAA. It's very concerning the downward spiral of our schools in general. Hopefully the addition of new staff in the Red High can give them the kick start needed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 27, 2022, 12:38:04 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on November 26, 2022, 10:06:38 PM
Kilcoo look like All Ireland champions and I think they will do back to back - who will actually stop them?

On the school debate, rather than talk about St Marks or St Malachy's let's look at a town close to my heart, Downpatrick, one of the largest towns in our county and yet we have two all boys schools who are certainly underachievers. Red High have been a disgrace of a school in recent years, and since Brady and Adams have left De La Salle they are another school who should be ashamed of their efforts in GAA. It's very concerning the downward spiral of our schools in general. Hopefully the addition of new staff in the Red High can give them the kick start needed
Kilmacud will give them a real test if kilcoo get out of Ulster. Nevermind glen/cargin and the connacht champions for one. Shane walsh a massive addition for crokes in their quest for an all Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on November 27, 2022, 10:41:12 AM
Reading some interesting comments regarding our schools , personal opinion is until we have a system which clubs , schools and the county executive buys into we will never reach the days when St Colmans , Abbey and Red High dominated the college scene, it was no fluke we were AI champions in the nineties, teachers like Ray Morgan and Pat o Hare were passionate about down football and many ex pupils represented Down at all levels including senior level. To get to that level again we need accountability from county coaches, we need clubs to be involved in local schools and we need the right men driving this forward, we need suitably qualified men and women to be given the county coach positions and someone to co ordinate it all, I know there was a recent survey conducted and I hope the powers that be don't do t just pay it lip service. Get this right and we will get back to the top table.
Congrats to Kilcoo - utmost respect to this club and what they have achieved , good luck going forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 27, 2022, 04:36:23 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on November 27, 2022, 10:41:12 AM
Reading some interesting comments regarding our schools , personal opinion is until we have a system which clubs , schools and the county executive buys into we will never reach the days when St Colmans , Abbey and Red High dominated the college scene, it was no fluke we were AI champions in the nineties, teachers like Ray Morgan and Pat o Hare were passionate about down football and many ex pupils represented Down at all levels including senior level. To get to that level again we need accountability from county coaches, we need clubs to be involved in local schools and we need the right men driving this forward, we need suitably qualified men and women to be given the county coach positions and someone to co ordinate it all, I know there was a recent survey conducted and I hope the powers that be don't do t just pay it lip service. Get this right and we will get back to the top table.
Congrats to Kilcoo - utmost respect to this club and what they have achieved , good luck going forward.

What is their remit?? Some turn up to primary schools - some don't bother, a previous poster stated they are not allowed into secondary schools - why is this?? Surely they should be availing of this service if it's provided to them.
Are these coaches not given a certain area to focus on and they take care of GAA development in that area? Should the coach/coaches for Downpatrick/NewryMourne areas not have serious questions to answer?
Bosco/Shamrocks/Mitchell's not going very well
Downpatrick a yo yo team, Saul cant make the leap required to get promoted, Bright, Darragh Cross all underperforming
3 teams from Mourne in division 3, 1 in division 4 and 1 going to get a few trimmings next season in top flight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on November 27, 2022, 07:33:56 PM
It seems to me like they just clock in and clock out. Our kids had one of these boyos come to their school a few years back, Mondays were never great especially after an NFL game on the Sunday and invariably he would not turn up.
These individuals have had zero impact on the development of football in Down in the 15+ years they have been in place. Many of them are now more concerned with their own club commitments rather than their day time job, I didn't think they were able to do this? I have rarely heard any positive comments about what they are doing in primary schools. Why are they not in the secondary schools, Sean Og had this in his report last year? Some of these schools really need supprot and surely these men would be better deployed here. Is it not the case that many other counties put their county coaches in secondary schools to support them, why can't we? It makes sense when the county Minor manager can work with them on a more regular basis. We have alot of catching up to do on the rest of Ulster because what we are doing just isn't working.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on November 27, 2022, 08:57:01 PM
The core problem is accountability, these county coaches need to be aware of what is required of them and who they are accountable to.Coaches who fail to turn up to work or don't meet the required standard need replacing with people who will meet the required standards but the coaches need support also from the clubs, the schools and the county executive.
Time will tell if the posts on this forum have any effect or the survey recently undertaken prompts the county executive taking the necessary action.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 27, 2022, 09:50:29 PM
Accountability is right. But how can they be held accountable? Every time our primary school phones the county offices to complain of another no show - no one picks up nor responds. It's a real jobs for the boys this role. Organising a wee blitz here n there doesn't cut it any longer. Lads going to Canal Court to the pool and sauna while they are supposed to be in a primary school stinks. And I agree - they get paid by the GAA to do this job and are then running around in the evenings with clubs getting paid as well - it's an absolute disgrace. More energy put into their evening roles than their daily roles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 28, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
I have to be honest lads. That's not my experience of the schools coaches.
When they've coached my kids they have come home buzzing. The get a lot from the county board & Ulster GAA coaches.
The get outdoor exercise, basic skills, & have fun with their friends.
I don't see a downside to it.

As far as I know the county contact every primary school & offer the coaches services. It's up to the school whether or not they accept this.

A lot of the funding (definitely for the Ulster coaches) comes from government in a scheme with IFA so they have to be in primary schools. The county can't just decide where to send them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 28, 2022, 09:41:42 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 27, 2022, 09:50:29 PM
Accountability is right. But how can they be held accountable? Every time our primary school phones the county offices to complain of another no show - no one picks up nor responds. It's a real jobs for the boys this role. Organising a wee blitz here n there doesn't cut it any longer. Lads going to Canal Court to the pool and sauna while they are supposed to be in a primary school stinks. And I agree - they get paid by the GAA to do this job and are then running around in the evenings with clubs getting paid as well - it's an absolute disgrace. More energy put into their evening roles than their daily roles.

That is a serious accusation Johnnysboys. What primary school are you talking about as I am sure the county office could verify that if you rang. Are you saying boys do not turn for coaching in your school as I have only have heard positive news about school coaches. Sean og wants the coaches into secondary schools but schools do not want help yet they have so called coaches who fail to coach the kids yet are willing to coach in evening roles at clubs.  These people probably promise the world at interviews saying they will coach the kids but do nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 28, 2022, 02:33:45 PM
Bit of a nonsense witch hunt going on here with a few fellas with personal axes to grind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: delgany on November 28, 2022, 06:56:45 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 28, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
I have to be honest lads. That's not my experience of the schools coaches.
When they've coached my kids they have come home buzzing. The get a lot from the county board & Ulster GAA coaches.
The get outdoor exercise, basic skills, & have fun with their friends.
I don't see a downside to it.

As far as I know the county contact every primary school & offer the coaches services. It's up to the school whether or not they accept this.

A lot of the funding (definitely for the Ulster coaches) comes from government in a scheme with IFA so they have to be in primary schools. The county can't just decide where to send them.

Im not sure that the coaches are fairly distributed and some parts get more coaching than others. I personally contacted the Co.Office in March about the coaching progamme and am still waiting a reply. The Co. Sec visited  before Covid , to ask how Co. could support schools, nothing  came off it, no feedback..consultation -  tickbox job....have had +ve experiences of coaches but need fair and equitable access , many use it as a platform to  get into teacher training ( which is great ) but Down GAA need to wake up !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 28, 2022, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: delgany on November 28, 2022, 06:56:45 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 28, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
I have to be honest lads. That's not my experience of the schools coaches.
When they've coached my kids they have come home buzzing. The get a lot from the county board & Ulster GAA coaches.
The get outdoor exercise, basic skills, & have fun with their friends.
I don't see a downside to it.

As far as I know the county contact every primary school & offer the coaches services. It's up to the school whether or not they accept this.

A lot of the funding (definitely for the Ulster coaches) comes from government in a scheme with IFA so they have to be in primary schools. The county can't just decide where to send them.

Im not sure that the coaches are fairly distributed and some parts get more coaching than others. I personally contacted the Co.Office in February about the coaching progamme and am still waiting a reply. The Co. Sec visited  before Covid , to ask how Co. could support schools, nothing  came off it, no feedback..consultation -  tickbox job....have had +ve experiences of coaches but need fair and equitable access , many use it as a platform to  get into teacher training ( which is great ) but Down GAA need to wake up !


Your profile says you're from Antrim?
Down GAA don't coach in Antrim schools or have you moved away from the dark side?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on November 28, 2022, 07:29:31 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 27, 2022, 09:50:29 PM
Accountability is right. But how can they be held accountable? Every time our primary school phones the county offices to complain of another no show - no one picks up nor responds. It's a real jobs for the boys this role. Organising a wee blitz here n there doesn't cut it any longer. Lads going to Canal Court to the pool and sauna while they are supposed to be in a primary school stinks. And I agree - they get paid by the GAA to do this job and are then running around in the evenings with clubs getting paid as well - it's an absolute disgrace. More energy put into their evening roles than their daily roles.

Disgusting post. Absolutely rotten. Disgraceful and unfounded, no need for it at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: delgany on November 28, 2022, 09:16:48 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 28, 2022, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: delgany on November 28, 2022, 06:56:45 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 28, 2022, 08:39:25 AM
I have to be honest lads. That's not my experience of the schools coaches.
When they've coached my kids they have come home buzzing. The get a lot from the county board & Ulster GAA coaches.
The get outdoor exercise, basic skills, & have fun with their friends.
I don't see a downside to it.

As far as I know the county contact every primary school & offer the coaches services. It's up to the school whether or not they accept this.

A lot of the funding (definitely for the Ulster coaches) comes from government in a scheme with IFA so they have to be in primary schools. The county can't just decide where to send them.

Im not sure that the coaches are fairly distributed and some parts get more coaching than others. I personally contacted the Co.Office in February about the coaching progamme and am still waiting a reply. The Co. Sec visited  before Covid , to ask how Co. could support schools, nothing  came off it, no feedback..consultation -  tickbox job....have had +ve experiences of coaches but need fair and equitable access , many use it as a platform to  get into teacher training ( which is great ) but Down GAA need to wake up !


Your profile says you're from Antrim?
Down GAA don't coach in Antrim schools or have you moved away from the dark side?
I work in Down !
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 29, 2022, 10:07:03 AM
The Abbey in Newry were knocked out at the Quarters in the Rannafast. I think their teachers need to discuss whether a stint in  football would help them. A McLarnon win for the Abbey would be massive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 29, 2022, 02:22:45 PM


Disgusting post. Absolutely rotten. Disgraceful and unfounded, no need for it at all.
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Disgusting
Rotten
Disgraceful
Unfounded

But yet totally true. If you're trying to tell me that these coaches turn up to every single session in the school/area they are assigned to - you are deluded. And there is absolutely no accountability for missing days here and there. If other people were so weak at their jobs they wouldn't last long that's for sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 29, 2022, 02:33:16 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 29, 2022, 02:22:45 PM


Disgusting post. Absolutely rotten. Disgraceful and unfounded, no need for it at all.

Disgusting
Rotten
Disgraceful
Unfounded

But yet totally true. If you're trying to tell me that these coaches turn up to every single session in the school/area they are assigned to - you are deluded. And there is absolutely no accountability for missing days here and there. If other people were so weak at their jobs they wouldn't last long that's for sure.
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You have yet to come with any facts on this, except spewing misinformation. Catch yourself on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 29, 2022, 03:12:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 29, 2022, 02:33:16 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 29, 2022, 02:22:45 PM


Disgusting post. Absolutely rotten. Disgraceful and unfounded, no need for it at all.

Disgusting
Rotten
Disgraceful
Unfounded

But yet totally true. If you're trying to tell me that these coaches turn up to every single session in the school/area they are assigned to - you are deluded. And there is absolutely no accountability for missing days here and there. If other people were so weak at their jobs they wouldn't last long that's for sure.

You have yet to come with any facts on this, except spewing misinformation. Catch yourself on.
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Misinformation
My child is in St Dallans in Warrenpoint and has had pe called off more times than enough in the recent past due to the county coach not showing up. My sisters child is in the meadow in Newry and has experienced the exact same.
My child leaves the house so excited to train under these people only to be let down at the last minute. They then get no pe as the class teacher is not qualified to take it.
So you catch yourself on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 29, 2022, 03:51:35 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 29, 2022, 03:12:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 29, 2022, 02:33:16 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 29, 2022, 02:22:45 PM


Disgusting post. Absolutely rotten. Disgraceful and unfounded, no need for it at all.

Disgusting
Rotten
Disgraceful
Unfounded

But yet totally true. If you're trying to tell me that these coaches turn up to every single session in the school/area they are assigned to - you are deluded. And there is absolutely no accountability for missing days here and there. If other people were so weak at their jobs they wouldn't last long that's for sure.

You have yet to come with any facts on this, except spewing misinformation. Catch yourself on.

Misinformation
My child is in St Dallans in Warrenpoint and has had pe called off more times than enough in the recent past due to the county coach not showing up. My sisters child is in the meadow in Newry and has experienced the exact same.
My child leaves the house so excited to train under these people only to be let down at the last minute. They then get no pe as the class teacher is not qualified to take it.
So you catch yourself on
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I am sure you have taken this up with your teacher . The Podcast should have a discussion about coaches and would they be better served in secondary schools given the lack of success in certain schools recently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on November 29, 2022, 05:47:05 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 29, 2022, 03:12:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 29, 2022, 02:33:16 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 29, 2022, 02:22:45 PM


Disgusting post. Absolutely rotten. Disgraceful and unfounded, no need for it at all.

Disgusting
Rotten
Disgraceful
Unfounded

But yet totally true. If you're trying to tell me that these coaches turn up to every single session in the school/area they are assigned to - you are deluded. And there is absolutely no accountability for missing days here and there. If other people were so weak at their jobs they wouldn't last long that's for sure.

You have yet to come with any facts on this, except spewing misinformation. Catch yourself on.

Misinformation
My child is in St Dallans in Warrenpoint and has had pe called off more times than enough in the recent past due to the county coach not showing up. My sisters child is in the meadow in Newry and has experienced the exact same.
My child leaves the house so excited to train under these people only to be let down at the last minute. They then get no pe as the class teacher is not qualified to take it.
So you catch yourself on
[/quote]
Johnnysboy--you are unfortunately a doting father.The wee Johnny Juniors are both hard done by in St Dallans and at St Marks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on November 30, 2022, 11:37:18 AM
There is a bigger issue there rather than a county coach but it wont suit
your main agenda here which is to make out they dont do their job. That is that the Teacher in your ‘Primary’ school is of course trained to take PE and if not taking PE in absence of a coach then is not teaching your child the curriculum they are supposed to. In fact, they are supposed to have two PE sessions a week and supposed to be involved in coach led sessions and repeat the session during the week or thats how it was supposed to be. Maybe you will start to look at the teachers also? I have heard a number of times about coaches missing sessions and days in schools before, although it is their job god forbid if they use any annual leave throughout term time. I hope they take it all in school holidays…. But then who runs the Easter Camps and Cul Camps? Actually they shouldnt take off at all. Anyone who thinks those coaches are the reasons behind Downs lack of success obviously have no sense. It starts in the clubs, the club coaches get the players who are there to play football/Hurling etc, the schools coaches coach everyone whether in A GAA club or not and try to get them interested and improve ‘basics’ at same time. Not produce All Ireland winning p7s but if can get a few more people signposted to local clubs while also providing another opportunity to practice skills at school then well worth their jobs. More likely to be club coaches who maybe love success at young ages who make us lose potentially good players with their ways? Who knows could be many reasons.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on November 30, 2022, 11:39:41 AM
Can someone translate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 30, 2022, 04:43:20 PM

Johnnysboy--you are unfortunately a doting father.The wee Johnny Juniors are both hard done by in St Dallans and at St Marks.
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But not in St Colmans - I have a son there and I must say it's top drawer- couldn't complain about a thing and would doubt anyone would have a problem. Coaching - top class, PE - top class - are you saying I shouldn't demand the same where my other children are?

I agree with the gaelforce poster on club coaching though. Maybe something that needs looked at even in my own place!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 30, 2022, 04:50:58 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 30, 2022, 04:43:20 PM

Johnnysboy--you are unfortunately a doting father.The wee Johnny Juniors are both hard done by in St Dallans and at St Marks.

But not in St Colmans - I have a son there and I must say it's top drawer- couldn't complain about a thing and would doubt anyone would have a problem. Coaching - top class, PE - top class - are you saying I shouldn't demand the same where my other children are?

I agree with the gaelforce poster on club coaching though. Maybe something that needs looked at even in my own place!!
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You are bound to be heavily involved in coaching in CPN . Are you critical that a club of Warrenpoint size play C football?

St Colmans LOL They have lost their first two MacRory games. The standards up there are slipping too in the same manner as most schools in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 30, 2022, 09:13:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 30, 2022, 04:50:58 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 30, 2022, 04:43:20 PM

Johnnysboy--you are unfortunately a doting father.The wee Johnny Juniors are both hard done by in St Dallans and at St Marks.

But not in St Colmans - I have a son there and I must say it's top drawer- couldn't complain about a thing and would doubt anyone would have a problem. Coaching - top class, PE - top class - are you saying I shouldn't demand the same where my other children are?

I agree with the gaelforce poster on club coaching though. Maybe something that needs looked at even in my own place!!

You are bound to be heavily involved in coaching in CPN . Are you critical that a club of Warrenpoint size play C football?

St Colmans LOL They have lost their first two MacRory games. The standards up there are slipping too in the same manner as most schools in Down.
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I have been involved for many years yes but not right now - unless asked for 2023. CPN playing at lower levels is definitely not what I would want but the powers above decide that.

Well mccrory is what it is - all teams qualify anyhow so what's the point showing your hand now? Bit of a farce playing so much football before Christmas that has no real meaning.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 09:00:54 AM
Given the amount of training they are undertaking, Dundrum will be in good shape for the upcoming season. If you aren't working out or lifting weights right now, you'll probably fall behind. Senior clubs now have higher training standards than counties had at the turn of the century. Can it go any further?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 01, 2022, 09:27:00 AM
Johhny you have never coached in CPN


But you have coached in plenty of clubs including your own!!


Noisy neighbour


Don't know what your gripe with St Marks is??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 01, 2022, 11:09:47 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 09:00:54 AM
Given the amount of training they are undertaking, Dundrum will be in good shape for the upcoming season. If you aren't working out or lifting weights right now, you'll probably fall behind. Senior clubs now have higher training standards than counties had at the turn of the century. Can it go any further?

Do Dundrum have a large influx of young talent coming through? I believe a few of their elder statesmen have retired, not sure how big a squad they would have to cope with that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on December 01, 2022, 11:13:00 AM
Truth Hurts what is the issue if players are in gyms in the winter? Do those in other sports not do conditioning year round? Athletics, Rugby, boxing, football,Basketball? Whether amateur sport or not the gym is a culture nowadays for the average young person whether playing sport or not so I personally think its good if clubs are investing in programmes or coaches that will teach young people what to do in the gym to prevent injury and improve physical ability etc rather than them go with their mates to the local private gym and lift weights with no knowledge of what they are doing and getting injured. Good on any club who have got this in place. I do agree in down time though and that this is structured in a way that it doesn't feel like they are at team training all year round. Dont know why people on here complain about it, ask your clubs players, they are happy to be doing gym work and happy with the high training standards. With county standards getting higher its only natural clubs will too so that the gap between your club and county players doesnt become to big of a gap to close for aspiring top players
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 11:23:49 AM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on December 01, 2022, 11:13:00 AM
Truth Hurts what is the issue if players are in gyms in the winter? Do those in other sports not do conditioning year round? Athletics, Rugby, boxing, football,Basketball? Whether amateur sport or not the gym is a culture nowadays for the average young person whether playing sport or not so I personally think its good if clubs are investing in programmes or coaches that will teach young people what to do in the gym to prevent injury and improve physical ability etc rather than them go with their mates to the local private gym and lift weights with no knowledge of what they are doing and getting injured. Good on any club who have got this in place. I do agree in down time though and that this is structured in a way that it doesn't feel like they are at team training all year round. Dont know why people on here complain about it, ask your clubs players, they are happy to be doing gym work and happy with the high training standards. With county standards getting higher its only natural clubs will too so that the gap between your club and county players doesnt become to big of a gap to close for aspiring top players
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I never asserted that it is flawed in any way. Every club is working on programmes for the upcoming season in its facilities. If not, you are falling behind. Most clubs in Down have a gym where players can train, which is fantastic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 11:53:50 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 01, 2022, 11:09:47 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 09:00:54 AM
Given the amount of training they are undertaking, Dundrum will be in good shape for the upcoming season. If you aren't working out or lifting weights right now, you'll probably fall behind. Senior clubs now have higher training standards than counties had at the turn of the century. Can it go any further?

Do Dundrum have a large influx of young talent coming through? I believe a few of their elder statesmen have retired, not sure how big a squad they would have to cope with that.


Not really; fair play for the golden generation for sticking with it. Dundrum and Ballykinlar need  to amalgamate and reform under a Tyrella umbrella, there is a big catchment .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on December 01, 2022, 12:08:28 PM
Apologies then if I misinterpreted your post
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 01, 2022, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 11:53:50 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 01, 2022, 11:09:47 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 09:00:54 AM
Given the amount of training they are undertaking, Dundrum will be in good shape for the upcoming season. If you aren't working out or lifting weights right now, you'll probably fall behind. Senior clubs now have higher training standards than counties had at the turn of the century. Can it go any further?

Do Dundrum have a large influx of young talent coming through? I believe a few of their elder statesmen have retired, not sure how big a squad they would have to cope with that.


Not really; fair play for the golden generation for sticking with it. Dundrum and Ballykinlar need  to amalgamate and reform under a Tyrella umbrella, there is a big catchment .

Have a 3 first team ready players coming through Harty, Boden and Cory Trainer.. All 3 been involved in Down Teams not sure if they are of age to play senior yet not 100% sure on there ages but know they are around minor/senior. Then if they can get buy in there are some good young players who stepped away at that 16-18 gap should do well if they can get those back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 01, 2022, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 11:53:50 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 01, 2022, 11:09:47 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 09:00:54 AM
Given the amount of training they are undertaking, Dundrum will be in good shape for the upcoming season. If you aren't working out or lifting weights right now, you'll probably fall behind. Senior clubs now have higher training standards than counties had at the turn of the century. Can it go any further?

Do Dundrum have a large influx of young talent coming through? I believe a few of their elder statesmen have retired, not sure how big a squad they would have to cope with that.


Not really; fair play for the golden generation for sticking with it. Dundrum and Ballykinlar need  to amalgamate and reform under a Tyrella umbrella, there is a big catchment .

Have a 3 first team ready players coming through Harty, Boden and Cory Trainer.. All 3 been involved in Down Teams not sure if they are of age to play senior yet not 100% sure on there ages but know they are around minor/senior. Then if they can get buy in there are some good young players who stepped away at that 16-18 gap should do well if they can get those back.

Yes, they are capable, but can they take the place of players like Walshy, Cormac, and those lads who have achieved so much at the junior level this century?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 01, 2022, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 01, 2022, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 11:53:50 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 01, 2022, 11:09:47 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 09:00:54 AM
Given the amount of training they are undertaking, Dundrum will be in good shape for the upcoming season. If you aren't working out or lifting weights right now, you'll probably fall behind. Senior clubs now have higher training standards than counties had at the turn of the century. Can it go any further?

Do Dundrum have a large influx of young talent coming through? I believe a few of their elder statesmen have retired, not sure how big a squad they would have to cope with that.


Not really; fair play for the golden generation for sticking with it. Dundrum and Ballykinlar need  to amalgamate and reform under a Tyrella umbrella, there is a big catchment .

Have a 3 first team ready players coming through Harty, Boden and Cory Trainer.. All 3 been involved in Down Teams not sure if they are of age to play senior yet not 100% sure on there ages but know they are around minor/senior. Then if they can get buy in there are some good young players who stepped away at that 16-18 gap should do well if they can get those back.

Yes, they are capable, but can they take the place of players like Walshy, Cormac, and those lads who have achieved so much at the junior level this century?

Well there's no replacing Walshy if he's definitely retired.. Always seemed to find time on the ball and wand of a left foot. Hurley would be a big miss too if he's hung up the boots. Boden and Corey could replace V up front with the pace youngsters have but obviously experience is what they won't have. But that's where the likes of Aidy Fegan, Odhran McKibben, Thomas McShane will fill in hopefully. They've been around for 6-8 years now so have that experience in them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 04:16:53 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 01, 2022, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 01, 2022, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 11:53:50 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 01, 2022, 11:09:47 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 09:00:54 AM
Given the amount of training they are undertaking, Dundrum will be in good shape for the upcoming season. If you aren't working out or lifting weights right now, you'll probably fall behind. Senior clubs now have higher training standards than counties had at the turn of the century. Can it go any further?

Do Dundrum have a large influx of young talent coming through? I believe a few of their elder statesmen have retired, not sure how big a squad they would have to cope with that.


Not really; fair play for the golden generation for sticking with it. Dundrum and Ballykinlar need  to amalgamate and reform under a Tyrella umbrella, there is a big catchment .

Have a 3 first team ready players coming through Harty, Boden and Cory Trainer.. All 3 been involved in Down Teams not sure if they are of age to play senior yet not 100% sure on there ages but know they are around minor/senior. Then if they can get buy in there are some good young players who stepped away at that 16-18 gap should do well if they can get those back.

Yes, they are capable, but can they take the place of players like Walshy, Cormac, and those lads who have achieved so much at the junior level this century?

Well there's no replacing Walshy if he's definitely retired.. Always seemed to find time on the ball and wand of a left foot. Hurley would be a big miss too if he's hung up the boots. Boden and Corey could replace V up front with the pace youngsters have but obviously experience is what they won't have. But that's where the likes of Aidy Fegan, Odhran McKibben, Thomas McShane will fill in hopefully. They've been around for 6-8 years now so have that experience in them.

Walshy has been a great servant. One of the greatest players to don the jersey.
If so, what have you heard about the Fin in Town. Garland and a few others are reportedly looking out. Could Dundrum acquire some of them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 01, 2022, 06:46:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 04:16:53 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 01, 2022, 02:03:19 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 01, 2022, 01:15:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 11:53:50 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 01, 2022, 11:09:47 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 01, 2022, 09:00:54 AM
Given the amount of training they are undertaking, Dundrum will be in good shape for the upcoming season. If you aren't working out or lifting weights right now, you'll probably fall behind. Senior clubs now have higher training standards than counties had at the turn of the century. Can it go any further?

Do Dundrum have a large influx of young talent coming through? I believe a few of their elder statesmen have retired, not sure how big a squad they would have to cope with that.


Not really; fair play for the golden generation for sticking with it. Dundrum and Ballykinlar need  to amalgamate and reform under a Tyrella umbrella, there is a big catchment .

Have a 3 first team ready players coming through Harty, Boden and Cory Trainer.. All 3 been involved in Down Teams not sure if they are of age to play senior yet not 100% sure on there ages but know they are around minor/senior. Then if they can get buy in there are some good young players who stepped away at that 16-18 gap should do well if they can get those back.

Yes, they are capable, but can they take the place of players like Walshy, Cormac, and those lads who have achieved so much at the junior level this century?

Well there's no replacing Walshy if he's definitely retired.. Always seemed to find time on the ball and wand of a left foot. Hurley would be a big miss too if he's hung up the boots. Boden and Corey could replace V up front with the pace youngsters have but obviously experience is what they won't have. But that's where the likes of Aidy Fegan, Odhran McKibben, Thomas McShane will fill in hopefully. They've been around for 6-8 years now so have that experience in them.

Walshy has been a great servant. One of the greatest players to don the jersey.
If so, what have you heard about the Fin in Town. Garland and a few others are reportedly looking out. Could Dundrum acquire some of them?

Chatting to a couple of boys from the Finn last week and there's a few that are a bit bored/tired out but it's the bigger brother that's in the ear of a few of them (Castlewellan) to come play for them and the better players would probably plump for there. But the blood wouldn't be as bad between Dundrum and the Finn post there re-emergence.. Rice, Willoughby and Doran transferred over and won Div 4 and JFC with Dundrum so possibility they could get a few if Finn go ascew this year.

But tbh Gerard Lnaghan done a hell of a job there so would be putting up a fight if anyone wanted to transfer out lol Also it's only December, couple of months stuck in the house with family/other half's  a lot of boys would change there mind and be busting to get out training again 😅
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 01, 2022, 08:25:23 PM
Aren't we blessed to have a such know all in our midst who posts so frequently during the day and has an opinion on every single aspect of Down football from underage structures, an authority on all Down clubs and what they are doing, schools both primary and secondary, cocaine, some hair brained amalgamation scheme, I could go on but I'm getting bored. And he speaks with such an opinion with apparently some knowledge on these and many other matters but I tell you what, he talks some shite. It's not the Wobbler either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 01, 2022, 08:40:11 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 01, 2022, 08:25:23 PM
Aren't we blessed to have a such know all in our midst who posts so frequently during the day and has an opinion on every single aspect of Down football from underage structures, an authority on all Down clubs and what they are doing, schools both primary and secondary, cocaine, some hair brained amalgamation scheme, I could go on but I'm getting bored. And he speaks with such an opinion with apparently some knowledge on these and many other matters but I tell you what, he talks some shite. It's not the Wobbler either.

He's an authority on East Down eateries too.

Claims to be from a struggling club (disgraceful that it's been allowed to go that way) but never mentions it in his posts.

⚽️👜
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 02, 2022, 07:51:37 AM
Johnnyboy when did you coach in our club?
What year?


Noisy neighbour!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 02, 2022, 12:29:50 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 01, 2022, 08:25:23 PM
Aren't we blessed to have a such know all in our midst who posts so frequently during the day and has an opinion on every single aspect of Down football from underage structures, an authority on all Down clubs and what they are doing, schools both primary and secondary, cocaine, some hair brained amalgamation scheme, I could go on but I'm getting bored. And he speaks with such an opinion with apparently some knowledge on these and many other matters but I tell you what, he talks some shite. It's not the Wobbler either.

Sorry Johnnysboys/Lotto you do not have to read the shite.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 02, 2022, 01:41:27 PM
Have the Allianz div 3 league games for 2023 been approved yet? I've checked online and all I can find is our round 5 game is v Cavan.

If this competition is to start next month surely there must be a fixture list approved.

I can find provisional fixtures for div 1&2, but not for div 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 02, 2022, 01:48:25 PM
It's the typical gaa way. They don't care about the lower ranked counties. They still don't get that the GAA people of Down or sligo or longford should be given the same respect as a Kerry or Dublin. But they have not grasped that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Redhand Santa on December 02, 2022, 02:00:16 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on December 02, 2022, 01:48:25 PM
It's the typical gaa way. They don't care about the lower ranked counties. They still don't get that the GAA people of Down or sligo or longford should be given the same respect as a Kerry or Dublin. But they have not grasped that.

The gaa haven't released any fixtures so it's nothing to do with lower ranked counties.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 02, 2022, 02:11:11 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 02, 2022, 02:00:16 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on December 02, 2022, 01:48:25 PM
It's the typical gaa way. They don't care about the lower ranked counties. They still don't get that the GAA people of Down or sligo or longford should be given the same respect as a Kerry or Dublin. But they have not grasped that.

The gaa haven't released any fixtures so it's nothing to do with lower ranked counties.
Have they not released fixtures for div 1 and div 2.??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 02, 2022, 02:13:40 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on December 02, 2022, 02:11:11 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on December 02, 2022, 02:00:16 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on December 02, 2022, 01:48:25 PM
It's the typical gaa way. They don't care about the lower ranked counties. They still don't get that the GAA people of Down or sligo or longford should be given the same respect as a Kerry or Dublin. But they have not grasped that.

The gaa haven't released any fixtures so it's nothing to do with lower ranked counties.
Have they not released fixtures for div 1 and div 2.??
Kerry website has the following

The provisional fixtures for the 2023 Allianz Football League have been released. Kerry's provisional fixtures for the duration are as follows:

Round 1 – Donegal (A) Jan 29th
Round 2 – Monaghan (H) Feb 4/5
Round 3 – Mayo (A) Feb 18/19
Round 4 – Armagh (H) Feb 25/26
Round 5 – Tyrone (A) March 4/5
Round 6 – Roscommon (H) March 18/19
Round 7 – Galway (A) March 25/26

League Final – April 2nd
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 02, 2022, 09:52:00 PM
Big win for St Marks yesterday

Now into the semi final of ulster

Great management team of Gavin Treanor and Donal O Hare

They get enough abuse on here that's for sure

Well done lads

Johnny you still haven't answered which CPN team?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 03, 2022, 08:20:50 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 29, 2022, 02:22:45 PM


Disgusting post. Absolutely rotten. Disgraceful and unfounded, no need for it at all.

Disgusting
Rotten
Disgraceful
Unfounded

But yet totally true. If you're trying to tell me that these coaches turn up to every single session in the school/area they are assigned to - you are deluded. And there is absolutely no accountability for missing days here and there. If other people were so weak at their jobs they wouldn't last long that's for sure.
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What I am trying to tell you is there is no need for the accusations in your post and you would do well to leave it at that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 03, 2022, 09:52:09 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 02, 2022, 09:52:00 PM
Big win for St Marks yesterday

Now into the semi final of ulster

Great management team of Gavin Treanor and Donal O Hare

They get enough abuse on here that's for sure

Well done lads

Johnny you still haven't answered which CPN team?

Do your homework son - it's O'Hare and a lad Congannon that takes the team not Treanor. Good result alright.

U6,u8,u10 from 2011 until 2016 with my eldest boy. U8 with my second boy 2017.

Committee member from 2011 until Covid.

Anything else you would like - chest,waist, neck measurements?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 03, 2022, 11:52:36 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 03, 2022, 09:52:09 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 02, 2022, 09:52:00 PM
Big win for St Marks yesterday

Now into the semi final of ulster

Great management team of Gavin Treanor and Donal O Hare

They get enough abuse on here that's for sure

Well done lads

Johnny you still haven't answered which CPN team?

Do your homework son - it's O'Hare and a lad Congannon that takes the team not Treanor. Good result alright.

U6,u8,u10 from 2011 until 2016 with my eldest boy. U8 with my second boy 2017.

Committee member from 2011 until Covid.

Anything else you would like - chest,waist, neck measurements?

What's your perfect Sunday Johnny?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 03, 2022, 06:04:29 PM
No you didn't Johnny.

How did todays coaching go?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 03, 2022, 08:11:27 PM
Well done to Liatroim winning the Ulster intermediate hurling final, brilliant achievement 👏
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 03, 2022, 09:34:25 PM
The NFL D3 fixtures should be officially released shortly but, barring some unexpected review, we are due to be away to Tipperary on the first weekend. Although it's a long journey to a county which has been getting better results than us over recent seasons, we need to target a win if we are serious about promotion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 04, 2022, 12:13:06 PM
Where did you see that MR? I'm looking forward to seeing how Laverty gets on this season. I'm living in the South at the minute, so some of the away games are handy enough for me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on December 04, 2022, 02:33:52 PM
John McGovern training with down? I see he is in Queens sigerson squad and hasn't touched leather for Newry town this long time looking at their match day squads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 04, 2022, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 03, 2022, 08:11:27 PM
Well done to Liatroim winning the Ulster intermediate hurling final, brilliant achievement 👏


Well done indeed, a crack at some serious teams in the ai semifinal awaits.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on December 04, 2022, 04:28:30 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on December 04, 2022, 02:33:52 PM
John McGovern training with down? I see he is in Queens sigerson squad and hasn't touched leather for Newry town this long time looking at their match day squads.

Playing for the town today... where did you see the sigerson squads??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on December 04, 2022, 05:03:12 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 04, 2022, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 03, 2022, 08:11:27 PM
Well done to Liatroim winning the Ulster intermediate hurling final, brilliant achievement 👏


Well done indeed, a crack at some serious teams in the ai semifinal awaits.

Brilliant achievement by the Fontenoys.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on December 04, 2022, 05:05:46 PM
Ardtole, the provisional fixtures lists which are sent to the county boards to be reviewed before publication have us scheduled for the opening trip to Tipperary. Changes are unlikely at this stage, but we may have to wait a week or two before final confirmation of our full programme.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on December 04, 2022, 06:41:57 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on December 04, 2022, 02:33:52 PM
John McGovern training with down? I see he is in Queens sigerson squad and hasn't touched leather for Newry town this long time looking at their match day squads.
Played and scored in a 3-1 defeat to bottom of the league Portadown, and he's not involved with Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 04, 2022, 07:33:12 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on December 04, 2022, 02:33:52 PM
John McGovern training with down? I see he is in Queens sigerson squad and hasn't touched leather for Newry town this long time looking at their match day squads.

He's been injured for months. Just back today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on December 04, 2022, 07:53:43 PM
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/luwkgklcbtkovry48zdi.pdf
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 04, 2022, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 03, 2022, 09:34:25 PM
The NFL D3 fixtures should be officially released shortly but, barring some unexpected review, we are due to be away to Tipperary on the first weekend. Although it's a long journey to a county which has been getting better results than us over recent seasons, we need to target a win if we are serious about promotion.

Away to Tipp and home to Antrim... first two games we really should win comfortably. Panel is set to be cut next week and challenge games have been organised for this side of Christmas including a tasty one v Mayo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on December 04, 2022, 09:53:16 PM
Win comfortably?  We haven't won a game since 2021 so I dont think this will happen. I wud expect to see green shots though...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 05, 2022, 10:06:32 AM
Any Aughlisnafin members on the board? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on December 05, 2022, 10:13:34 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 04, 2022, 05:03:12 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 04, 2022, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 03, 2022, 08:11:27 PM
Well done to Liatroim winning the Ulster intermediate hurling final, brilliant achievement 👏


Well done indeed, a crack at some serious teams in the ai semifinal awaits.

Brilliant achievement by the Fontenoys.

Major achievement and performance. Number of players out the hand up for Down next season. The All Ireland series will be a step up in standard 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: naka on December 05, 2022, 10:59:36 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on December 04, 2022, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 03, 2022, 09:34:25 PM
The NFL D3 fixtures should be officially released shortly but, barring some unexpected review, we are due to be away to Tipperary on the first weekend. Although it's a long journey to a county which has been getting better results than us over recent seasons, we need to target a win if we are serious about promotion.

Away to Tipp and home to Antrim... first two games we really should win comfortably. Panel is set to be cut next week and challenge games have been organised for this side of Christmas including a tasty one v Mayo.
you are awy to louth also
home to offaly and lonford ( i belive)
all home games i understand to be saturday nightgames
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 05, 2022, 11:00:36 AM
Quote from: dingle82 on December 05, 2022, 10:13:34 AM
Quote from: 6th sam on December 04, 2022, 05:03:12 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on December 04, 2022, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 03, 2022, 08:11:27 PM
Well done to Liatroim winning the Ulster intermediate hurling final, brilliant achievement 👏


Well done indeed, a crack at some serious teams in the ai semifinal awaits.

Brilliant achievement by the Fontenoys.

Major achievement and performance. Number of players out the hand up for Down next season. The All Ireland series will be a step up in standard 

They play Toureen of Mayo the weekend of the 17-18th, Toureen being the Mayo senior champions and having seen off the Roscommon senior finalists and the Galway intermediate winners.

Give it a good rattle is all you can ask.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 05, 2022, 11:08:05 AM
Well done Liatriom, the transfers worked well for you :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on December 05, 2022, 11:10:49 AM
Quote from: naka on December 05, 2022, 10:59:36 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on December 04, 2022, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on December 03, 2022, 09:34:25 PM
The NFL D3 fixtures should be officially released shortly but, barring some unexpected review, we are due to be away to Tipperary on the first weekend. Although it's a long journey to a county which has been getting better results than us over recent seasons, we need to target a win if we are serious about promotion.

Away to Tipp and home to Antrim... first two games we really should win comfortably. Panel is set to be cut next week and challenge games have been organised for this side of Christmas including a tasty one v Mayo.
you are awy to louth also
home to offaly and lonford ( i belive)
all home games i understand to be saturday nightgames
I think u will find louth are a Div 2 team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: naka on December 05, 2022, 12:28:49 PM
must be Longford then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 07, 2022, 10:09:42 AM
Fair play to St Marks Warrenpoint with 3 big wins this week. . But St Louis Kilkeel for a former McRory school look to be struggling. Is numbers an issue down there? Some great feeder clubs into it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 07, 2022, 12:31:48 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 07, 2022, 10:09:42 AM
Fair play to St Marks Warrenpoint with 3 big wins this week. . But St Louis Kilkeel for a former McRory school look to be struggling. Is numbers an issue down there? Some great feeder clubs into it.
Think it has suffered from the feeder teams being significantly weaker than they were when school was competing well at macrory and maclarnon. The school has predominantly been at B level. Them few years at macrory were an anomaly backboned by a couple of strong teams like An Riocht and Rostrevor who would have been best u16 /minor teams in Ulster arguably at that stage and obviously a strong down minor team around then too. They had 3 players in 2005 team playing County u21 football at that time if my memory serves correct in Clarke colgan and ireland. Of the starting 15 for down minor in all ireland final 6 of them went to St louis
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 07, 2022, 12:46:56 PM
The St Marks defeat at u16 was C level and it was a 20 point defeat. Sad to see St Louis closer to D level than ever.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on December 07, 2022, 05:17:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 07, 2022, 12:46:56 PM
The St Marks defeat at u16 was C level and it was a 20 point defeat. Sad to see St Louis closer to D level than ever.

I cry myself to sleep.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 08, 2022, 09:32:23 AM
Thoughts on the new jersey?
I don't like the white stripes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 08, 2022, 09:41:34 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 08, 2022, 09:32:23 AM
Thoughts on the new jersey?
I don't like the white stripes.

Looks nice but I agree about the white stripes.. If they had put them on the top of the shoulders it would be a 10/10
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 08, 2022, 10:03:09 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 08, 2022, 09:41:34 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 08, 2022, 09:32:23 AM
Thoughts on the new jersey?
I don't like the white stripes.

Looks nice but I agree about the white stripes.. If they had put them on the top of the shoulders it would be a 10/10

Even just left them out of it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on December 09, 2022, 01:03:24 PM
Good luck to Kilcoo on Sunday and Liatroim next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on December 09, 2022, 09:26:31 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on December 09, 2022, 01:03:24 PM
Good luck to Kilcoo on Sunday and Liatroim next week.
Kilcoo game could be cancelled due to the frosty weather conditions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 10, 2022, 03:56:48 PM
Can't see how the pitch won't be frozen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 10, 2022, 04:15:45 PM
Ulster intermediate final in Newry this evening postponed because of a frozen pitch, can't see tomorrows match being on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 10, 2022, 06:21:59 PM
Well done to the Clonduff camogs who've made it to the AI intermediate final after two bouts of extra time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 11, 2022, 09:41:24 AM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on December 10, 2022, 03:56:48 PM
Can't see how the pitch won't be frozen.

Game on.
Good luck Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on December 11, 2022, 01:27:05 PM
Let's hope Laverty doesn't bring this blatant cheating to county setup. 3 ghost head injuries during black card time. Diving all over the place lying down. Bad bad acts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: smort on December 11, 2022, 01:41:00 PM
Can see why you don't like them, shocking antics all around during that first half
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 11, 2022, 01:52:23 PM
Hardly lavertys fault
He is doing what he has to do
Ward is a nasty player

Have we ever seen a more limited team win an all Ireland

A great team but they haven't any stand out players.

Take Johnstones and laverty out they are just a well drilled team with no stars
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 11, 2022, 02:26:43 PM
Game over - England and Kilcoo beat in the same weekend, might have to get myself a drink and toast our lord
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 11, 2022, 02:30:36 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 11, 2022, 01:27:05 PM
Let's hope Laverty doesn't bring this blatant cheating to county setup. 3 ghost head injuries during black card time. Diving all over the place lying down. Bad bad acts
So you're saying you'd rather down lost a game being too nice rather than use every rule to your advantage? You're a fool if so
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 11, 2022, 02:30:50 PM
The most basic team to ever win an all Ireland
No class and limited ability
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on December 11, 2022, 02:34:16 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on December 11, 2022, 02:30:36 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 11, 2022, 01:27:05 PM
Let's hope Laverty doesn't bring this blatant cheating to county setup. 3 ghost head injuries during black card time. Diving all over the place lying down. Bad bad acts
So you're saying you'd rather down lost a game being too nice rather than use every rule to your advantage? You're a fool if so

Let's look at what they done today...
Cheating by diving
Cheating by faking head injuries
Trying to take out glass in air
Ward stamp and feigning injury himself
Throwing punches at end when knew game was over

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 11, 2022, 02:38:46 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 11, 2022, 02:34:16 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on December 11, 2022, 02:30:36 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 11, 2022, 01:27:05 PM
Let's hope Laverty doesn't bring this blatant cheating to county setup. 3 ghost head injuries during black card time. Diving all over the place lying down. Bad bad acts
So you're saying you'd rather down lost a game being too nice rather than use every rule to your advantage? You're a fool if so

Let's look at what they done today...
Cheating by diving
Cheating by faking head injuries
Trying to take out glass in air
Ward stamp and feigning injury himself
Throwing punches at end when knew game was over
And lets look at what they have achieved
11 county titles in 13 years
2 ulster titles back to back
an all ireland against the odds
if any of what laverty can instill in some of these county players gets us over the line in ulster i think 99% of fans would take it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 11, 2022, 02:44:57 PM
All the haters taking great delight in kilcoo in getting beat, you can hate them for their antics at times or playing close to the wire but to claim they're a team of limited ability players is stretching it a big bit.
Hopefully Laverty can bring some of the Kilcoo will to win to the county set up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on December 11, 2022, 04:35:43 PM
Good effort as always by kilcoo. I cant see any other Down currently with the balls to make go at it in ulster so fair play to them...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on December 11, 2022, 04:38:59 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 11, 2022, 02:30:50 PM
The most basic team to ever win an all Ireland
No class and limited ability
All Ireland winners pretty much says it all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on December 11, 2022, 04:56:19 PM
Wasn't to be our day today. Great run by our fellas and they'll take a well earned break now. Couldn't be any prouder to be a Magpie. Well done to Glen on their win too.

#UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on December 11, 2022, 05:33:36 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 06, 2022, 12:10:04 AM
Well done to Kilcoo
A brilliant team and long may it continue
Down were very poor last week but were worse tonight
Galway looked like they were in
2nd gear and still had the match won at half time
Young McIlroy looked so far off the pace it was frightening
I would be amazed if we beat Meath
What has happened Mooney?
Gary Mac done well in goals

Fairly changed your tune from February when you were singing our praises claiming we were a brilliant team.

Clutching calling us the most basic team to ever win an all Ireland 🤣🤣

For all the limited ability you say we have we are the top team in Down with 20 wins! Warrenpoint only have 3 unless I am mistaken?

Sure here, come back to us when Warrenpoint have won as many as we have lost...which is 5!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on December 11, 2022, 05:35:10 PM
Hard luck Kilcoo incredible team. Won the ultimate prize and it can't be bettered. Their too good to go away anytime soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 11, 2022, 06:30:11 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on December 11, 2022, 02:38:46 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 11, 2022, 02:34:16 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on December 11, 2022, 02:30:36 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 11, 2022, 01:27:05 PM
Let's hope Laverty doesn't bring this blatant cheating to county setup. 3 ghost head injuries during black card time. Diving all over the place lying down. Bad bad acts
So you're saying you'd rather down lost a game being too nice rather than use every rule to your advantage? You're a fool if so

Let's look at what they done today...
Cheating by diving
Cheating by faking head injuries
Trying to take out glass in air
Ward stamp and feigning injury himself
Throwing punches at end when knew game was over
And lets look at what they have achieved
11 county titles in 13 years
2 ulster titles back to back
an all ireland against the odds
if any of what laverty can instill in some of these county players gets us over the line in ulster i think 99% of fans would take it

Yes they have achieved huge success which is unlikely to be repeated in Down over such a sustained period, but the reason the whole county can't get behind them when they play outside of Down is because of the cynical and dirty stuff, and all the other crap they bring when they are getting it tight.

It was good to see a better football team come out on top, and not get dragged in to the nonsense despite the relentless attempts of Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 11, 2022, 06:41:53 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 11, 2022, 06:30:11 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on December 11, 2022, 02:38:46 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 11, 2022, 02:34:16 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on December 11, 2022, 02:30:36 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 11, 2022, 01:27:05 PM
Let's hope Laverty doesn't bring this blatant cheating to county setup. 3 ghost head injuries during black card time. Diving all over the place lying down. Bad bad acts
So you're saying you'd rather down lost a game being too nice rather than use every rule to your advantage? You're a fool if so

Let's look at what they done today...
Cheating by diving
Cheating by faking head injuries
Trying to take out glass in air
Ward stamp and feigning injury himself
Throwing punches at end when knew game was over
And lets look at what they have achieved
11 county titles in 13 years
2 ulster titles back to back
an all ireland against the odds
if any of what laverty can instill in some of these county players gets us over the line in ulster i think 99% of fans would take it

Yes they have achieved huge success which is unlikely to be repeated in Down over such a sustained period, but the reason the whole county can't get behind them when they play outside of Down is because of the cynical and dirty stuff, and all the other crap they bring when they are getting it tight.

It was good to see a better football team come out on top, and not get dragged in to the nonsense despite the relentless attempts of Kilcoo.
I would not say Glen are a better 'fotballing' side. they are a carbon copy of kilcoo but slightly more athletic in the right places and now coming into their prime years where as a lot of kilcoo team is verging on 30s if not already over
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 11, 2022, 07:12:32 PM
Anyone questioning the brilliance of this Kilcoo team is either just bitter or needs their head examined. No one has got near them in Down in a long time. They won the All Ireland last year, they are by far and away the best team in Ulster the last two years. It's easy to cite dirty tactics, cynical stuff etc when a team loses.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on December 11, 2022, 07:20:06 PM
I am not a fan but it is comical reading. If you take 3 Johnston brothers and Conor Laverty out of Kilcoo you have no outstanding players someone says. Is that saying they have 4 outstanding players?? It doesn't make any sense...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 11, 2022, 07:47:04 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 11, 2022, 07:12:32 PM
Anyone questioning the brilliance of this Kilcoo team is either just bitter or needs their head examined. No one has got near them in Down in a long time. They won the All Ireland last year, they are by far and away the best team in Ulster the last two years. It's easy to cite dirty tactics, cynical stuff etc when a team loses.
It's very easy to cite those things when they are winning too, but they tend to take it up a notch when they are losing. Fantastic team, some fantastic players, but not a team that is easy to get behind for a neutral.

"By far and away the best team in Ulster" for 2 years is a little disingenuous given they beat Glen and Carryduff in extra time last year (and Clonduff on pens, CPN in extra time this year). Hyperbole like that only serves to detract from what they have achieved as it takes away from how they battled through games to win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on December 11, 2022, 08:03:24 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1602003616335683584?s=46&t=U0rcdlnqHuquA2dhtII5MQ
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 11, 2022, 10:25:39 PM
A tough day at the pitch for Kilcoo. Their forwards didn't really fire like they normally do - I would've put money on Devlin putting the penalty away and Kane kicking the free over - but over the course of the game they didn't deserve the victory. Glen v Kilmacud is a massive fixture now. Kilcoo will take a well earned Christmas and reset in the new year - they are still the team to beat in down and others need to up their game to even get close to them in the coming years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 12, 2022, 07:45:26 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on December 11, 2022, 02:30:36 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 11, 2022, 01:27:05 PM
Let's hope Laverty doesn't bring this blatant cheating to county setup. 3 ghost head injuries during black card time. Diving all over the place lying down. Bad bad acts
So you're saying you'd rather down lost a game being too nice rather than use every rule to your advantage? You're a fool if so

There is not a county team in Ireland that does not play the clock down when they have a player black carded. Probably the biggest flaw with the black card.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 12, 2022, 08:48:40 AM
Kilcoo were very worthy Ulster and All Ireland champions. Had the penalty went in then they prob would've seen it out. Very fine margins. No doubt Kilcoo won't disappear without a fight. They are still the team to beat in Down. Glen are a fantastic team also. And have a great chance of going all the way. But Glen have to get past the Galway champions and Kilmacud past the Kerry champs. Funny how the club semifinalists are from the same counties as the Sam .Maguire semis back in June.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 12, 2022, 10:09:27 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 11, 2022, 02:30:50 PM
The most basic team to ever win an all Ireland
No class and limited ability

So the team that played in the last two all Ireland finals and both went to extra time are basic and limited?

Even clowns are embarrassed for you.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 12, 2022, 10:21:18 AM
Unlucky Kilcoo, O'Rourke was too cute for Gilligan who loses his cool when under pressure. Moran had every Kilcoo player under his spell but yesterday in Armagh I saw glimpse's of the old ways. Tv doesn't do the gongs on justice. The former stalwarts for Kilcoo like the McEvoy's, Kane's, O'Hanlon's and Devlins must be mortified at the diving, holding the faces, tripping etc

It was a game with a lot going on, I enjoyed the battles and match ups.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on December 12, 2022, 01:37:25 PM
Such an intriguing game yesterday.  The intensity was like something you'd see in a munster hurling final!  Ward a disgrace and that behaviour will catch up with him down the line.  The antics of Kilcoo is probably why they have so many haters.  The diving and faking injury was woeful. Ref was poor for both teams but he always is! Kilcoo just made more mistakes and it cost them.  Be interesting to see how many join the Down panel.  There is no doubt half a dozen of them are good enough.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 12, 2022, 03:04:58 PM
Quote from: urbangael on December 12, 2022, 01:37:25 PM
Such an intriguing game yesterday.  The intensity was like something you'd see in a munster hurling final!  Ward a disgrace and that behaviour will catch up with him down the line.  The antics of Kilcoo is probably why they have so many haters.  The diving and faking injury was woeful. Ref was poor for both teams but he always is! Kilcoo just made more mistakes and it cost them.  Be interesting to see how many join the Down panel.  There is no doubt half a dozen of them are good enough.

Yesterday shown the different levels

Bobo is good enough for the panel but would not start.

McEvoy is the only shoe in for a defender, I think the others would struggle at county level

Midfield : we seen the difference in club and county yesterday

Forwards Shealan and Ryan would be there but would not be certain starters.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on December 12, 2022, 03:39:02 PM
Would Aaron or Daryl Branagan not be good enough??  Aaron's fitness levels are very impressive and not many forwards get much change out of him and you could argue Daryl has been the most consistent club player in Down for the last 5 or 6 years.  Young Doherty would add something to a County panel too I'd suggest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 12, 2022, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: urbangael on December 12, 2022, 03:39:02 PM
Would Aaron or Daryl Branagan not be good enough??  Aaron's fitness levels are very impressive and not many forwards get much change out of him and you could argue Daryl has been the most consistent club player in Down for the last 5 or 6 years.  Young Doherty would add something to a County panel too I'd suggest.

Is it that time of year again where we talk about dabs and Aaron playing county football. My god give it a rest. Aaron is 32 and not what we need at county level and Dabs - whilst a fantastic club player wouldn't cut it at the next level - yesterday he was bypassed time and time again in the game. He simply wouldn't count now.
Ryan McEvoy, wee doc and shaelan - that's their lot..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 12, 2022, 04:14:43 PM
Quote from: urbangael on December 12, 2022, 03:39:02 PM
Would Aaron or Daryl Branagan not be good enough??  Aaron's fitness levels are very impressive and not many forwards get much change out of him and you could argue Daryl has been the most consistent club player in Down for the last 5 or 6 years.  Young Doherty would add something to a County panel too I'd suggest.

Personally not for me, excellent club players and I have huge admiration for them as they play the game in a fair manner . But they are maybe past it at county level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on December 12, 2022, 04:40:20 PM
The Kilcoo players would strengthen the panel, but only McEvoy would be a certain starter. The two Branagans are amazing players, but probably too old to make what is a considerable step up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 12, 2022, 04:56:19 PM
I'm not so sure only 1 or 2 would make the 15. The johnsons are all good enough if not better than what Down already have. Doherty has already been on board the last while.  Remains to be seen if Laverty can get those he needs on board.  Hopefully he can.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 12, 2022, 07:25:19 PM
After encouraging Kilcoo lads not to play this last few years he now has the task of convincing them all to play. Interesting to see who actually makes the committment, I only believe two of them would make a real difference RMcE and DW. Both have the size and also the age profile to succeed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on December 12, 2022, 08:12:37 PM
Ryan McEvoy and Ward would be good additions but both need their attitudes readjusted a bit. Aggression is great when channelled properly, they can hopefully both be moulded in to serious county players in the coming years. Ward has a bad track record of getting red cards and black cards at silly times which the Ulster counties would target. Daryl deserves a run too but think he won't commit at this stage. Jerome is done and dusted but ryan and Shealan definitely options. Wonder will Eugene be asked or would he accept the call after his outrageous slabbering last year. Would love him try and back up his loose tongue in that panel but I fear he'll be too afraid to go because he knows he isn't up to county football. Miceal Rooney also deserves a run I think. Been very good for a couple of seasons now. Niall Kane also will start for down, can't see anyone taking his place
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 12, 2022, 08:49:42 PM
Quote from: upandwin on December 12, 2022, 08:12:37 PM
Ryan McEvoy and Ward would be good additions but both need their attitudes readjusted a bit. Aggression is great when channelled properly, they can hopefully both be moulded in to serious county players in the coming years. Ward has a bad track record of getting red cards and black cards at silly times which the Ulster counties would target. Daryl deserves a run too but think he won't commit at this stage. Jerome is done and dusted but ryan and Shealan definitely options. Wonder will Eugene be asked or would he accept the call after his outrageous slabbering last year. Would love him try and back up his loose tongue in that panel but I fear he'll be too afraid to go because he knows he isn't up to county football. Miceal Rooney also deserves a run I think. Been very good for a couple of seasons now. Niall Kane also will start for down, can't see anyone taking his place

I'd argee with pretty much all that, Doherty and Anthony Morgan both definitely worth a place on the panel. Although Morgan didn't start yesterday, long term he should be a regular on the Down team.

Only a few weeks away from the start of McKenna and national league, any idea of who's involved in the extended panel at the moment?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 13, 2022, 09:17:55 AM
I am looking forward to watching our football teams in 2023 for the first time in a very long time since I have heard that training is going really well and that everyone is working hard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 13, 2022, 09:58:25 AM
Rumours that Mark Poland has left wpoint.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 13, 2022, 10:47:13 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 13, 2022, 09:58:25 AM
Rumours that Mark Poland has left wpoint.

Seriously? Why?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on December 13, 2022, 12:09:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 13, 2022, 10:47:13 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 13, 2022, 09:58:25 AM
Rumours that Mark Poland has left wpoint.

Seriously? Why?

Yes left
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 13, 2022, 12:15:28 PM
Can Johnnysboys or Smurfy confirm?

Most likely, Kilcoo will also be searching for new managers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 13, 2022, 03:35:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 13, 2022, 12:15:28 PM
Can Johnnysboys or Smurfy confirm?

Most likely, Kilcoo will also be searching for new managers.

Is that speculation or based on fact?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 13, 2022, 04:05:25 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 13, 2022, 03:35:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 13, 2022, 12:15:28 PM
Can Johnnysboys or Smurfy confirm?

Most likely, Kilcoo will also be searching for new managers.

Is that speculation or based on fact?

Its well known that Gilligan and Thornton were leaving after the year. There's nothing official yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 13, 2022, 07:25:11 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 11, 2022, 07:47:04 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 11, 2022, 07:12:32 PM
Anyone questioning the brilliance of this Kilcoo team is either just bitter or needs their head examined. No one has got near them in Down in a long time. They won the All Ireland last year, they are by far and away the best team in Ulster the last two years. It's easy to cite dirty tactics, cynical stuff etc when a team loses.
It's very easy to cite those things when they are winning too, but they tend to take it up a notch when they are losing. Fantastic team, some fantastic players, but not a team that is easy to get behind for a neutral.

"By far and away the best team in Ulster" for 2 years is a little disingenuous given they beat Glen and Carryduff in extra time last year (and Clonduff on pens, CPN in extra time this year). Hyperbole like that only serves to detract from what they have achieved as it takes away from how they battled through games to win.

I would be a neutral in this instance and can only admire what they have done as a club and a team over the last number of years. Whether you 'get behind them' or not is another thing. For me, their football prowess far outweighs any cynical stuff especially in the last 4-5 seasons. It can't be that easy to cite when they are winning as there hasn't been that much said about them in this regard over the past period mentioned. But all of a sudden when they lose it comes out in bucket loads in comparison.

They've been in the last two AI Finals, and yes have had one really close encounter in the Ulster series in the last two years (v Glen 2021) but really they have put most other opposition to the sword during this period. They always seem to get it tighter within Down, but 11 titles in 13 years speaks for itself really - not sure too many really saw them being beaten in Down the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on December 13, 2022, 08:09:37 PM
Looks like we're getting off to a 0-2 start... Monaghan & Donegal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 13, 2022, 08:22:43 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 13, 2022, 08:09:37 PM
Looks like we're getting off to a 0-2 start... Monaghan & Donegal
What makes you say that? Donegal are in turmoil and Monaghan couldn't get a manager and are well over the hill. We have on the other hand been training since the start of October 5 nights a week, I'll be shocked if we don't hit the ground flying. By the time we play in the McKenna Cup we will have been training for over 3 months. Good win last week against UUJ in a challenge game, ran them off the park late on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 13, 2022, 08:51:28 PM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on December 11, 2022, 04:56:19 PM
Wasn't to be our day today. Great run by our fellas and they'll take a well earned break now. Couldn't be any prouder to be a Magpie. Well done to Glen on their win too.

#UTM

+1

They've taken us on a journey we literally wouldn't have dreamed of back in the day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 14, 2022, 09:51:39 AM
Poland departure confirmed to me this morning, Point seem to be in a bit of a transition at the minute. It will be hard to find someone .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on December 14, 2022, 09:52:18 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on December 13, 2022, 08:09:37 PM
Looks like we're getting off to a 0-2 start... Monaghan & Donegal
Its the McKenna cup, they will be trying new players and experimenting. I wouldn't worry if we don't win a match in it. Its the league this year we really need to worry about
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on December 14, 2022, 10:33:45 AM
Any word on the Down panel?  If they've been training from Oct (which seems unlikely) they should be getting into good shape.  Who has departed the panel and what new faces are in?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 14, 2022, 02:04:44 PM
I'd guess it's still a provisional panel at this stage.

There will be some join & some gone by start of the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 14, 2022, 09:53:38 PM
Quote from: urbangael on December 14, 2022, 10:33:45 AM
Any word on the Down panel?  If they've been training from Oct (which seems unlikely) they should be getting into good shape.  Who has departed the panel and what new faces are in?

That's not unlikely, it's a matter of fact, they were one of the first counties in the country back in collective training, Ballykinlar for the pitch based sessions, Tullymore on a Sunday for a while and Aron Brannigans gym for the S&C. Panel of 47 before Kilcoo players return, a lot of trialists that won't feature even Attical have a representative. UUJ man said to me last week he was so impressed with Downs fitness levels so early in the year. Good signs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 14, 2022, 10:07:42 PM
I heard some of the lads involved with Liatroim hurlers are under consideration too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 14, 2022, 10:24:34 PM
Great to see Donnach finally give the county a go
He will be a strong player for Down in 23
Training well and lots attending from what I'm hearing
We are the new Armagh. The fittest team in Ireland in January. I'm not complaining mind you

Mark leaving was a shock to most. He notified the Chair last week from what I'm told. Personal reason from what I'm told
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on December 15, 2022, 06:47:24 AM
Good to hear the down set up are doing the right things and a good committed squad on board. We have been the whipping boys for too long...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 15, 2022, 09:44:12 AM
Big news from convention last night, The East and South Down board stay. That is the power of the clubs, great news and I hope that reserve and u15 football are given back to these boards.
Reserve football has got worse since all county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on December 15, 2022, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 14, 2022, 10:24:34 PM
Great to see Donnach finally give the county a go
He will be a strong player for Down in 23
Training well and lots attending from what I'm hearing
We are the new Armagh. The fittest team in Ireland in January. I'm not complaining mind you

Mark leaving was a shock to most. He notified the Chair last week from what I'm told. Personal reason from what I'm told

Ah lots of teams are doing the exact same. I would be surprised if any team has done more than Derry at this stage, Gallagher has them in the trenches again, mad training schedule. Don't be thinking Down are doing more than anyone else, it's the way county football is now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 15, 2022, 02:50:55 PM
Quote from: toby47 on December 15, 2022, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 14, 2022, 10:24:34 PM
Great to see Donnach finally give the county a go
He will be a strong player for Down in 23
Training well and lots attending from what I'm hearing
We are the new Armagh. The fittest team in Ireland in January. I'm not complaining mind you

Mark leaving was a shock to most. He notified the Chair last week from what I'm told. Personal reason from what I'm told

Ah lots of teams are doing the exact same. I would be surprised if any team has done more than Derry at this stage, Gallagher has them in the trenches again, mad training schedule. Don't be thinking Down are doing more than anyone else, it's the way county football is now.

Elite athletes train that way, intercounty footballers are elite athletes.
Club football is moving in that direction as well, with players now being as physically fit as county players were 20 years ago. Everyone tries to stay one step ahead and get an advantage. The majority of teams, with the exception of Kilcoo, are well into a SandC winter programme in preparation for the upcoming season. You are miles behind if your club is not doing anything at all. Dundrum is currently putting in a strong preseason effort, but I'd be surprised if they made it out of division 4 next season. And that's not a criticism of the players; it's just a reflection of the four relegated teams' ambition to return. Due to the strong u17s they had this season, Bosco and Attical will be favourites..
If a junior club is training that way then what is a division 1 club doing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on December 15, 2022, 05:30:17 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 15, 2022, 02:50:55 PM
Quote from: toby47 on December 15, 2022, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 14, 2022, 10:24:34 PM
Great to see Donnach finally give the county a go
He will be a strong player for Down in 23
Training well and lots attending from what I'm hearing
We are the new Armagh. The fittest team in Ireland in January. I'm not complaining mind you

Mark leaving was a shock to most. He notified the Chair last week from what I'm told. Personal reason from what I'm told

Ah lots of teams are doing the exact same. I would be surprised if any team has done more than Derry at this stage, Gallagher has them in the trenches again, mad training schedule. Don't be thinking Down are doing more than anyone else, it's the way county football is now.

Elite athletes train that way, intercounty footballers are elite athletes.
Club football is moving in that direction as well, with players now being as physically fit as county players were 20 years ago. Everyone tries to stay one step ahead and get an advantage. The majority of teams, with the exception of Kilcoo, are well into a SandC winter programme in preparation for the upcoming season. You are miles behind if your club is not doing anything at all. Dundrum is currently putting in a strong preseason effort, but I'd be surprised if they made it out of division 4 next season. And that's not a criticism of the players; it's just a reflection of the four relegated teams' ambition to return. Due to the strong u17s they had this season, Bosco and Attical will be favourites..
If a junior club is training that way then what is a division 1 club doing?
We are running to stand still; football is a hobby, but the time commitments are making it v difficult for e.g. a man with a family, or a young lad wnating to travel and make a career. This is how we lose out to soccer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 15, 2022, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 15, 2022, 02:50:55 PM


Ah lots of teams are doing the exact same. I would be surprised if any team has done more than Derry at this stage, Gallagher has them in the trenches again, mad
Elite athletes train that way, intercounty footballers are elite athletes.
Club football is moving in that direction as well, with players now being as physically fit as county players were 20 years ago. Everyone tries to stay one step ahead and get an advantage. The majority of teams, with the exception of Kilcoo, are well into a SandC winter programme in preparation for the upcoming season. You are miles behind if your club is not doing anything at all. Dundrum is currently putting in a strong preseason effort, but I'd be surprised if they made it out of division 4 next season. And that's not a criticism of the players; it's just a reflection of the four relegated teams' ambition to return. Due to the strong u17s they had this season, Bosco and Attical will be favourites..
If a junior club is training that way then what is a division 1 club doing?

To be honest, much of it is because the coaches don't know shite about coaching skills so instead of upskilling the players just waste their enthusiasm running around beaches.

Looks like their fees are justified to the clubs based on all this training. Yet invariably the teams will stand or fall.... And by that I mean fall... based on their (in)ability to handle or pass a ball.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: charlieTully on December 15, 2022, 10:42:38 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on December 15, 2022, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 15, 2022, 02:50:55 PM


Ah lots of teams are doing the exact same. I would be surprised if any team has done more than Derry at this stage, Gallagher has them in the trenches again, mad
Elite athletes train that way, intercounty footballers are elite athletes.
Club football is moving in that direction as well, with players now being as physically fit as county players were 20 years ago. Everyone tries to stay one step ahead and get an advantage. The majority of teams, with the exception of Kilcoo, are well into a SandC winter programme in preparation for the upcoming season. You are miles behind if your club is not doing anything at all. Dundrum is currently putting in a strong preseason effort, but I'd be surprised if they made it out of division 4 next season. And that's not a criticism of the players; it's just a reflection of the four relegated teams' ambition to return. Due to the strong u17s they had this season, Bosco and Attical will be favourites..
If a junior club is training that way then what is a division 1 club doing?

To be honest, much of it is because the coaches don't know shite about coaching skills so instead of upskilling the players just waste their enthusiasm running around beaches.

Looks like their fees are justified to the clubs based on all this training. Yet invariably the teams will stand or fall.... And by that I mean fall... based on their (in)ability to handle or pass a ball.

Surely the skills should be learnt long before senior level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 15, 2022, 11:02:13 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on December 15, 2022, 10:42:38 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on December 15, 2022, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 15, 2022, 02:50:55 PM


Ah lots of teams are doing the exact same. I would be surprised if any team has done more than Derry at this stage, Gallagher has them in the trenches again, mad
Elite athletes train that way, intercounty footballers are elite athletes.
Club football is moving in that direction as well, with players now being as physically fit as county players were 20 years ago. Everyone tries to stay one step ahead and get an advantage. The majority of teams, with the exception of Kilcoo, are well into a SandC winter programme in preparation for the upcoming season. You are miles behind if your club is not doing anything at all. Dundrum is currently putting in a strong preseason effort, but I'd be surprised if they made it out of division 4 next season. And that's not a criticism of the players; it's just a reflection of the four relegated teams' ambition to return. Due to the strong u17s they had this season, Bosco and Attical will be favourites..
If a junior club is training that way then what is a division 1 club doing?

To be honest, much of it is because the coaches don't know shite about coaching skills so instead of upskilling the players just waste their enthusiasm running around beaches.

Looks like their fees are justified to the clubs based on all this training. Yet invariably the teams will stand or fall.... And by that I mean fall... based on their (in)ability to handle or pass a ball.

Surely the skills should be learnt long before senior level.

Do elite athletes stop practicing/improving the basic skills of any sport when they reach adult competition?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 16, 2022, 05:56:28 AM
What club in Down looses players to soccer because they train to much?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 16, 2022, 01:42:38 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 16, 2022, 05:56:28 AM
What club in Down looses players to soccer because they train to much?


Ballykinlar did. That's why Truth Hurts spends so much time in chip shops!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 16, 2022, 10:37:35 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 16, 2022, 05:56:28 AM
What club in Down looses players to soccer because they train to much?

The most high profile player is surely Mc Govern of Ballyholland?????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on December 16, 2022, 10:40:11 PM
Pete Mc Grath appointed manager of Aghagallon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 17, 2022, 01:22:33 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on December 15, 2022, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 15, 2022, 02:50:55 PM


Ah lots of teams are doing the exact same. I would be surprised if any team has done more than Derry at this stage, Gallagher has them in the trenches again, mad
Elite athletes train that way, intercounty footballers are elite athletes.
Club football is moving in that direction as well, with players now being as physically fit as county players were 20 years ago. Everyone tries to stay one step ahead and get an advantage. The majority of teams, with the exception of Kilcoo, are well into a SandC winter programme in preparation for the upcoming season. You are miles behind if your club is not doing anything at all. Dundrum is currently putting in a strong preseason effort, but I'd be surprised if they made it out of division 4 next season. And that's not a criticism of the players; it's just a reflection of the four relegated teams' ambition to return. Due to the strong u17s they had this season, Bosco and Attical will be favourites..
If a junior club is training that way then what is a division 1 club doing?

To be honest, much of it is because the coaches don't know shite about coaching skills so instead of upskilling the players just waste their enthusiasm running around beaches.

Looks like their fees are justified to the clubs based on all this training. Yet invariably the teams will stand or fall.... And by that I mean fall... based on their (in)ability to handle or pass a ball.

Anyone who thinks clubs or counties are 'just running' in this day and age need their head checked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 17, 2022, 04:59:09 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 17, 2022, 01:22:33 PM
Anyone who thinks clubs or counties are 'just running' in this day and age need their head checked.

Of course its not "just running". I never said it was.

It'll be a complete strength and conditioning scheme which won't matter a damn as the players can't kick a ball accurately over 30m.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 17, 2022, 07:41:23 PM
Strong performance today in a challenge game v Roscommon in Dublin. We won by 15 points scoring 5 goals in the process and we were moving very well all over the field which is obviously down to the two months head start we have had on most teams. We should walk out of what is a very poor division three on paper with the players we have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 17, 2022, 07:55:34 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 17, 2022, 01:22:33 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on December 15, 2022, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 15, 2022, 02:50:55 PM


Ah lots of teams are doing the exact same. I would be surprised if any team has done more than Derry at this stage, Gallagher has them in the trenches again, mad
Elite athletes train that way, intercounty footballers are elite athletes.
Club football is moving in that direction as well, with players now being as physically fit as county players were 20 years ago. Everyone tries to stay one step ahead and get an advantage. The majority of teams, with the exception of Kilcoo, are well into a SandC winter programme in preparation for the upcoming season. You are miles behind if your club is not doing anything at all. Dundrum is currently putting in a strong preseason effort, but I'd be surprised if they made it out of division 4 next season. And that's not a criticism of the players; it's just a reflection of the four relegated teams' ambition to return. Due to the strong u17s they had this season, Bosco and Attical will be favourites..
If a junior club is training that way then what is a division 1 club doing?

To be honest, much of it is because the coaches don't know shite about coaching skills so instead of upskilling the players just waste their enthusiasm running around beaches.

Looks like their fees are justified to the clubs based on all this training. Yet invariably the teams will stand or fall.... And by that I mean fall... based on their (in)ability to handle or pass a ball.

Anyone who thinks clubs or counties are 'just running' in this day and age need their head checked.

I have to agree there that it is not just running. It's more about running the clean f@@k out of them. Laverty just wants to flog the sh@t out of them, I'd prefer that maybe a ball was involved somewhere as I think we might need it when the season starts.

redandblackareback, as for walking out of Division 3, I think you are very optimistic and simply won't happen because of the players we have on paper.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 17, 2022, 08:03:55 PM
Roscommon hammered us by 10 9 months ago
Some turn around
A 25 point swing
Great to hear. Down finally a team making great strides
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 17, 2022, 08:08:14 PM
Any idea of the line up from todays game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 18, 2022, 08:07:12 PM
Anybody know anyone out there with a bit of loyalty to manage a senior club team???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on December 18, 2022, 09:35:32 PM
Senior team managers who display loyalty and have the interests of the team/club rather than their c v are in short short supply but I can think of one double act currently available and would be a good fit for any senior team, having won several u 21 titles and being narrowly beaten in a SFC final by Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 18, 2022, 10:03:07 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on December 18, 2022, 09:35:32 PM
Senior team managers who display loyalty and have the interests of the team/club rather than their c v are in short short supply but I can think of one double act currently available and would be a good fit for any senior team, having won several u 21 titles and being narrowly beaten in a SFC final by Kilcoo.

Good man Big G. Stick by your buddies even though they bad mouth your club & it's best players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 18, 2022, 11:19:53 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 18, 2022, 08:07:12 PM
Anybody know anyone out there with a bit of loyalty to manage a senior club team???

Loyalty? It's impossible.

Even a strong, established senior team that needs little more than continuity and control, will have a couple of bubbling underbellies. One being younger players (and their vociferous families) who don't have the patience or temperament to play their way into the starting teams. The other being established players who have eyes on travelling or moving (sometimes for the GAA dollar, sometimes just because, you know, there's more to life than kicking a ball).

Our serial champions have found a way to largely control both, for now. But the irony is that if the rest of us can find a way to do the same, then we are no better off... unless we are the only one.

So what use is loyalty? It's a hiding to nothing.

I would blame the travelling circus of senior football managers/ management teams for many of the problems in football. But expecting talented coaches and leaders to invest several years at a club sticking fingers in the dyke, just isn't practical on any level. They're damned when they do, damned but a little financially better off when they don't.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 19, 2022, 05:03:34 PM
I was in Molloys earlier and heard that the Magpies are on the lookout for new management. I wonder why there has been no announcement?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 19, 2022, 06:02:01 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 19, 2022, 05:03:34 PM
I was in Molloys earlier and heard that the Magpies are on the lookout for new management. I wonder why there has been no announcement?

Obviously they were waiting on you breaking the story for them!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on December 19, 2022, 09:01:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 19, 2022, 05:03:34 PM
I was in Molloys earlier and heard that the Magpies are on the lookout for new management. I wonder why there has been no announcement?

Laverty and Choc to take over
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Link on December 19, 2022, 09:45:25 PM
Burren minors went full kilcoo towards end of the semi final at st paul's yesterday. Subs and all in throwing digs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 20, 2022, 08:37:12 AM
Quote from: Link on December 19, 2022, 09:45:25 PM
Burren minors went full kilcoo towards end of the semi final at st paul's yesterday. Subs and all in throwing digs.

What happened?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2022, 09:30:37 AM
Darren O H officially retires from Down duty

What a player and role model to many

For 5 or 6 years he was brilliant.

A nice debate to have

Would Darren be in Downs top 100 players ever to grace the jersey?

From 1960-2022?


Enjoy retirement Darren

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on December 20, 2022, 10:48:00 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2022, 09:30:37 AM
Darren O H officially retires from Down duty

What a player and role model to many

For 5 or 6 years he was brilliant.

A nice debate to have

Would Darren be in Downs top 100 players ever to grace the jersey?

From 1960-2022?


Enjoy retirement Darren
For me Darren was one of the few players in recent memory that probably would start in the 90s teams and and would probably be a good player for even some of the biggest counties as well. He'd definitely start corner back for the dubs 6 in a row team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on December 20, 2022, 10:54:32 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on December 20, 2022, 10:48:00 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 20, 2022, 09:30:37 AM
Darren O H officially retires from Down duty

What a player and role model to many

For 5 or 6 years he was brilliant.

A nice debate to have

Would Darren be in Downs top 100 players ever to grace the jersey?

From 1960-2022?


Enjoy retirement Darren
For me Darren was one of the few players in recent memory that probably would start in the 90s teams and and would probably be a good player for even some of the biggest counties as well. He'd definitely start corner back for the dubs 6 in a row team

Catch yourself on he wouldn't get near the Dubs 6 in a row 15, 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 20, 2022, 12:26:37 PM
A top defender who gave everything for the county, one of Ulster's best defenders for a number of years. It is great to see him coaching the minor footballers and passing on the baton.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 20, 2022, 07:44:26 PM
Kilcoo management gone. All the stories of discontent in the camp starting to prove accurate. Time for the REAL managers Laverty and Choc to step into the breach.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Saul goodman on December 20, 2022, 10:51:04 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 20, 2022, 07:44:26 PM
Kilcoo management gone. All the stories of discontent in the camp starting to prove accurate. Time for the REAL managers Laverty and Choc to step into the breach.

Laverty and Jim mcguiness for kilcoo next season apparently...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 20, 2022, 11:04:06 PM
I'd like to think that the Down job means you don't manage a senior club team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 21, 2022, 08:47:07 AM
Its a sad way for those fellas to leave but they can leave with their heads high. Kilcoo folk won't be happy with the half time incident but I am sure it will be addressed. Will Conor take the player into the county as although he has talent, his temper is an issue.
Who will they go for? That's the million dollar question? Jerome Johnston and Mark Doran must be on the list but could Jerome manage his own sons?
Laverty couldn't do both IMO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Phoenix rising on December 21, 2022, 09:44:00 AM
Half time incident?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 21, 2022, 10:19:33 AM
Ward had Gilligan by the throat at half time in the ulster final
Fair play to Gilligan for taken him off
Players can't be doing that
Gilligan and Thornton were on borrowed time when laverty and choc demanded Moran back
Mark Doran the front runner

We have been left to scramble now for a manager

Some boy Laverty from Tyrone now the front runner
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 21, 2022, 12:07:11 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 21, 2022, 10:19:33 AM
Ward had Gilligan by the throat at half time in the ulster final
Fair play to Gilligan for taken him off
Players can't be doing that
Gilligan and Thornton were on borrowed time when laverty and choc demanded Moran back
Mark Doran the front runner

We have been left to scramble now for a manager

Some boy Laverty from Tyrone now the front runner


Frank Laverty? Formerly Loughinisland goalkeeper coach?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on December 21, 2022, 01:21:58 PM
Gilligan and Thornton didn't lose Kilcoo the the Ulster final. Once so many players were losing their individual battles all over the pitch management options became much more limited. Had MM been there it would probably have been the same. Throw in fatigue after winning the competition last year, year three syndrome...

Being completely neutral I think Glen learned more from their narrow defeat last year and were waiting in the long grass. It happens!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 21, 2022, 01:53:19 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 21, 2022, 10:19:33 AM
Ward had Gilligan by the throat at half time in the ulster final
Fair play to Gilligan for taken him off
Players can't be doing that
Gilligan and Thornton were on borrowed time when laverty and choc demanded Moran back
Mark Doran the front runner

We have been left to scramble now for a manager

Some boy Laverty from Tyrone now the front runner
Did that incident definitely happen? Kilcoo usually manage to keep things fairly quiet regarding internal goings on. If so, it would appear that particular player has an even worse attitude and is more disrespectful than previously thought. You'd hope the other players will have the right standards, and ask him to leave the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yellowcard on December 21, 2022, 02:57:04 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 21, 2022, 10:19:33 AM
Ward had Gilligan by the throat at half time in the ulster final
Fair play to Gilligan for taken him off
Players can't be doing that
Gilligan and Thornton were on borrowed time when laverty and choc demanded Moran back
Mark Doran the front runner

We have been left to scramble now for a manager

Some boy Laverty from Tyrone now the front runner

So in the space of about 15 minutes he trash talked Glass, gouged his face, stamped on Mulholland, feigned injury and then attacked his own manager at half time. That must be up there with Emi Martinez in the shithousery antics!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 21, 2022, 03:10:56 PM
On Kilcoo Christmas wish list- from a good source

Jim Mcguinness
Jerome/ Doran  although the Clare conudrum could be an issue
Brian Dooher
Banty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 21, 2022, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 21, 2022, 03:10:56 PM
On Kilcoo Christmas wish list- from a good source

Jim Mcguinness
Jerome/ Doran  although the Clare conudrum could be an issue
Brian Dooher
Banty

Harte was rumored for Slaughtneil, could Magpies try and lure him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on December 21, 2022, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 21, 2022, 10:19:33 AM
Ward had Gilligan by the throat at half time in the ulster final
Fair play to Gilligan for taken him off
Players can't be doing that
Gilligan and Thornton were on borrowed time when laverty and choc demanded Moran back
Mark Doran the front runner

We have been left to scramble now for a manager

Some boy Laverty from Tyrone now the front runner
Seems apt now. https://youtu.be/-Jm3Tq_q4yU
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 21, 2022, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on December 21, 2022, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 21, 2022, 03:10:56 PM
On Kilcoo Christmas wish list- from a good source

Jim Mcguinness
Jerome/ Doran  although the Clare conudrum could be an issue
Brian Dooher
Banty

Harte was rumored for Slaughtneil, could Magpies try and lure him?

Would it be an attractive job for him, or anyone else, if they hear about these antics from an established senior player?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on December 21, 2022, 09:24:05 PM
All right ladies...don't get your knickers in a twist x
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on December 21, 2022, 10:51:49 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 21, 2022, 12:07:11 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 21, 2022, 10:19:33 AM
Ward had Gilligan by the throat at half time in the ulster final
Fair play to Gilligan for taken him off
Players can't be doing that
Gilligan and Thornton were on borrowed time when laverty and choc demanded Moran back
Mark Doran the front runner

We have been left to scramble now for a manager

Some boy Laverty from Tyrone now the front runner


Frank Laverty? Formerly Loughinisland goalkeeper coach?

Is Frank Lavery not an Antrim man from Aghagallon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimStynes on December 21, 2022, 11:19:56 PM
Quote from: Pocs pints and the gaa on December 21, 2022, 10:51:49 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 21, 2022, 12:07:11 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 21, 2022, 10:19:33 AM
Ward had Gilligan by the throat at half time in the ulster final
Fair play to Gilligan for taken him off
Players can't be doing that
Gilligan and Thornton were on borrowed time when laverty and choc demanded Moran back
Mark Doran the front runner

We have been left to scramble now for a manager

Some boy Laverty from Tyrone now the front runner


Frank Laverty? Formerly Loughinisland goalkeeper coach?

Is Frank Lavery not an Antrim man from Aghagallon

Armagh man I think
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 22, 2022, 10:35:11 PM
The two top clubs in the county on the lookout for managers - it actually beggars belief we are both in this situation. Danny Hughes the latest name touted with CPN now - even though he is with Saval - but as we felt recently - loyalty doesn't exist in GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 22, 2022, 10:53:48 PM
We???
What do you mean we?
Sure yous have a manager in place Johnny Boy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on December 23, 2022, 12:13:43 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 21, 2022, 03:10:56 PM
On Kilcoo Christmas wish list- from a good source

Jim Mcguinness
Jerome/ Doran  although the Clare conudrum could be an issue
Brian Dooher
Banty

Mark Doran will be with Slaughtneil
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 23, 2022, 09:41:42 AM
 Paddy O'Rourke and Dan McCartan to the Point?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on December 23, 2022, 02:02:14 PM
What happened In the Ulster minor championship? Were Burren beaten?
I was involved with a team in that tournament some years ago; by the time it started half our team were away at third level, some in Britain. Not sure if it's a good idea; winning the county title should be enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Link on December 23, 2022, 03:12:59 PM
Quote from: befair on December 23, 2022, 02:02:14 PM
What happened In the Ulster minor championship? Were Burren beaten?
I was involved with a team in that tournament some years ago; by the time it started half our team were away at third level, some in Britain. Not sure if it's a good idea; winning the county title should be enough.

Tell that to Glen Maghera.

Burren beat in semi final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 24, 2022, 06:08:30 PM
I hear that our new senior manager is still showing the same regard for county rules as he did with his club as continues to play challenge games even though he is not permitted to do so until 1 January. Our weak county board are complicit in letting him do this. Can we not do things the right way?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on December 24, 2022, 06:37:31 PM
He had a good of success with club so if that's what it takes to get us competitive then keep ere lit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 24, 2022, 06:54:22 PM
Seriously are we now giving off for running challenge matches a few weeks early?

Good on them I say
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 24, 2022, 07:15:34 PM
Not we, probably just me on here. Many other county managers do the right thing but others think the rules don't apply to them. Our new man has always been well below doing the right thing for many years now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 24, 2022, 07:31:40 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 24, 2022, 07:15:34 PM
Not we, probably just me on here. Many other county managers do the right thing but others think the rules don't apply to them. Our new man has always been well below doing the right thing for many years now.
ffs have a day off, if playing a challenge match a week early helps the county team get up to speed then tear away I say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 24, 2022, 07:37:27 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 24, 2022, 06:08:30 PM
I hear that our new senior manager is still showing the same regard for county rules as he did with his club as continues to play challenge games even though he is not permitted to do so until 1 January. Our weak county board are complicit in letting him do this. Can we not do things the right way?

Who did Down play and what was the results?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 24, 2022, 08:12:38 PM
Have hammered Roscommon(17) UUJ (12) Queens (9)

Some turnaround
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 24, 2022, 10:27:48 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on December 24, 2022, 06:37:31 PM
He had a good of success with club so if that's what it takes to get us competitive then keep ere lit.
Why what club did he manage?

As for getting us competitive... I would like to think in a division that consists of Antrim, Fermanagh, Longford, Offaly and a poor Tipp team who have lost 4 of the best players we would be aiming for something a little more than competitive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on December 24, 2022, 11:06:44 PM
What are you expecting?. Dont forget we didnt win a game in 2022 and we havent won anything in almost 30 years so we are in no position to think we should walk this league...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on December 25, 2022, 12:14:24 AM
God help Laverty with a load of jealous begrudgers trying to set him up for a fall. Do you forget that your County did not win a game this year, not even a challenge game including the might of London. Lotto let's know all these counties who have not played a challenge game yet. You'll have a problem  getting to 5 I can tell you. Redandblackon management's back, you don't want your county to succeed, you want your management to fail.  God help them and save them from the snipers and snakes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 25, 2022, 12:52:56 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on December 25, 2022, 12:14:24 AM
God help Laverty with a load of jealous begrudgers trying to set him up for a fall. Do you forget that your County did not win a game this year, not even a challenge game including the might of London. Lotto let's know all these counties who have not played a challenge game yet. You'll have a problem  getting to 5 I can tell you. Redandblackon management's back, you don't want your county to succeed, you want your management to fail.  God help them and save them from the snipers and snakes.
For someone who originally claimed not to be from Down Sandstorm you seem very passionate about the county. The constant pro Kilcoo posts are a bit of a giveaway.

As regards setting him up for a fall?? Explain?? We have been training 5 days a week since the start of October with KN and EOS pumping thousands into the set up, there are no excuses for not beating those sides mentioned above! As Smurfy mentioned, we have been hammering teams even without your kilcoo men. James & Co didn't get going until December last year and were doomed to fail from day one.

If you go back to last summer and beyond you will see from my posts I don't believe anyone within Down is good enough to manage us, we should have fired the 120k + our current management team is getting at Malachy O'Rourke.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on December 25, 2022, 09:14:42 AM
I doubt MOR would have any interest in down regardless of the ridiculous offer mentioned.  He is currently in a setup that has had good underage success and is now achieving a senior level. Down have Fk all to show at underage except or for u20s ulster title... managed by lavery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 25, 2022, 01:57:43 PM
Is Pat Flannagan in the running for any jobs in Down?

Short term only!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Verticalball on December 26, 2022, 01:05:17 AM
Merry Christmas to all. I enjoy following this forum to keep up to date with things, however I can't believe that people are already trying to drag the new manager down. Roscommon wiped the floor with Down in Div2 last year and while it is only a challenge game, a 15 point win over the same opposition is very encouraging. Monaghan and Donegal struggled to attract a manager and both counties would bite your hand off to have Laverty in charge rather than what they have ended up with. For the first time in a long time there seems to be a lot of positivity in general about how the county setup is going, so maybe some people should put the anti-Kilcoo bias to one side and stop moaning.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on December 26, 2022, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: Verticalball on December 26, 2022, 01:05:17 AM
Merry Christmas to all. I enjoy following this forum to keep up to date with things, however I can't believe that people are already trying to drag the new manager down. Roscommon wiped the floor with Down in Div2 last year and while it is only a challenge game, a 15 point win over the same opposition is very encouraging. Monaghan and Donegal struggled to attract a manager and both counties would bite your hand off to have Laverty in charge rather than what they have ended up with. For the first time in a long time there seems to be a lot of positivity in general about how the county setup is going, so maybe some people should put the anti-Kilcoo bias to one side and stop moaning.

Are you delusional? Did the Monaghan players not road Laverty when he was there a couple of years ago? And you think they would love to have them manage them instead of Vinny Corey who is one of the most widely respected figures in Monaghan football this last 10 years? Catch a grip. The pedestal Laverty is put on brinks on hysteria sometimes.
Whether you like it or not, bar one season with Down 20s, Conor Laverty and alot of the men involved with our county teams this season are hugely inexperienced or unproven when it comes to management and coaching, especially at any representative level. Some of these guys haven't even club experience to call upon. There will be detractors galore and knives sharpened everywhere for Laverty for many reasons. It comes with the territory.
Quit wetting your knickers over challenge matches in December ffs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 26, 2022, 11:59:23 AM
Brick you have some opinion of yourself
Laverty has probably done more in 1 year than you ever will
A wee fat bloke sitting on a chair
I would say you never kicked a ball in your life
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on December 26, 2022, 12:43:04 PM
Let's see how Down get on. If most of the top players commit to the county then Div. 3 title should be a realistic goal, that puts us back in the race for Sam . Let's see from there. Too many here seem to want the county to fail, why? If your from Down then surely you want them to do well.
The standard of club football is excellent but we do have a lack of experience at county level so Div. 3 seems good for that, if we can find a real scorer plus get Quinn back then there is real potential in 18 months plus
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on December 27, 2022, 09:41:29 PM
Anyone have a list of the full McKenna cup panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on December 29, 2022, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on April 02, 2022, 07:50:24 PM
As bad as the 20s were today what is going on with the 17s
We are at the minute a laughing stock
Laverty looked lost today
Monaghan looked lost when he was over them
We looked lost against Roscommon in the semi final

The 20s had a dream route last year
Fermanagh
Cavan
Monaghan

No Donegal
No Tyrone
No Derry
Smurfy no need for personal insults, Brick is actually spot on with all of that and you would agree with him based on your post last year. Lavertys time with Monaghan was a failure, couldn't win a home match v Cavan in the championship and was roaded. The following season the same Monaghan got to within a point of an all Ireland final without him. He hasn't won one championship match as a manager with a club or county at senior level. His Kilcoo pal O'Hanlon in to manage the U20s is another disgrace and our county board should be stepping in. People are well within they're rights to have doubts but we should have enough talent to get out of Division 3. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on December 29, 2022, 08:02:14 PM
My goodness, what a state we are in......Just to add further to above the previous u17 management never won a game in their 2 years and previous senior management never won a game last year and the county board never stepped in as the good men took decison to move on.   But sure goodluck to Lavery and Darragh in 2023.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 29, 2022, 08:10:50 PM
Lol. Last year it was the QUB Clique destroying Down football to satisfy their own unknown but sadistic needs. This year it's a Kilcoo Cabal hell bent on taking us apart from within.

You lads need to stop overthinking things.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on December 29, 2022, 08:39:51 PM
Agree wobbler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on December 29, 2022, 11:30:47 PM
Terrible night out there, rain and wind, bad day tomorrow.them so and SO's from Kilcoo are at it again.😊😊
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 30, 2022, 12:20:44 AM
And so the apathy continues. It just goes to show it doesn't matter who may be in charge, or what squad of players available, it'll always be the wrong call, the wrong man, the county boards fault, Kilcoo's fault, Sean Og's dogs food suppliers fault. Sick to the teeth of it. Get behind the management, team and county whoever it may be instead of forensically examining the whataboutery of yesteryear to try and unearth some damning statistic to bark at us all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 30, 2022, 08:16:44 AM
Quote from: Lloyd p on December 27, 2022, 09:41:29 PM
Anyone have a list of the full McKenna cup panel?

By looks of it, might have wait until Wednesday night to hear about the panel. Obviously seen D McAleenan at the launch so sure he'll be involved, was told  (could be wrong mind) 4 from Glenn on the extended panel, Brooks, McCartan, Miller and McParland. That's all I've heard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 30, 2022, 09:55:06 AM
Quote from: supersub on December 30, 2022, 12:20:44 AM
And so the apathy continues. It just goes to show it doesn't matter who may be in charge, or what squad of players available, it'll always be the wrong call, the wrong man, the county boards fault, Kilcoo's fault, Sean Og's dogs food suppliers fault. Sick to the teeth of it. Get behind the management, team and county whoever it may be instead of forensically examining the whataboutery of yesteryear to try and unearth some damning statistic to bark at us all.
Those bitching and moaning  probably don't even go to the games.  Give the management team a chance. It took McGeeney 8 years to get Armagh competitive. This management team needs time also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on December 30, 2022, 01:16:19 PM
I'm living outside the county at present  but I have to say I'm looking forward to the new season. Laverty is an intriguing character and I'm hoping he starts well. It's been a tough few years following Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on December 30, 2022, 01:35:52 PM
Begrudgers and all welcome next Wednesday at Castleblaney!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on December 30, 2022, 04:24:38 PM
Not going to happen Target man, Brick, Redandblack and urf will be sitting at home hoping their county get beat. No wonder Down have such a poor record over the last few years and are in Div 3 with such negativity.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 30, 2022, 04:28:34 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 30, 2022, 12:20:44 AM
And so the apathy continues. It just goes to show it doesn't matter who may be in charge, or what squad of players available, it'll always be the wrong call, the wrong man, the county boards fault, Kilcoo's fault, Sean Og's dogs food suppliers fault. Sick to the teeth of it. Get behind the management, team and county whoever it may be instead of forensically examining the whataboutery of yesteryear to try and unearth some damning statistic to bark at us all.

I have no issue getting behind the team and the county, we all want them to do well but the management is a different issue. I, like many others, despise our current manager and will never back him. The track record of ill discipline and unacceptable behaviour by every team he has ever been involved with says more about him than it does of the players, hopefully the Down players take a strong line and tell him to do one if he tries it on, just the Monaghan players did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The_big_bad_wolf on December 30, 2022, 06:34:43 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 30, 2022, 04:28:34 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 30, 2022, 12:20:44 AM
And so the apathy continues. It just goes to show it doesn't matter who may be in charge, or what squad of players available, it'll always be the wrong call, the wrong man, the county boards fault, Kilcoo's fault, Sean Og's dogs food suppliers fault. Sick to the teeth of it. Get behind the management, team and county whoever it may be instead of forensically examining the whataboutery of yesteryear to try and unearth some damning statistic to bark at us all.

I have no issue getting behind the team and the county, we all want them to do well but the management is a different issue. I, like many others, despise our current manager and will never back him. The track record of ill discipline and unacceptable behaviour by every team he has ever been involved with says more about him than it does of the players, hopefully the Down players take a strong line and tell him to do one if he tries it on, just the Monaghan players did.

I would like if you would get your facts right Lotto about the current Down manager.  With my job based in the Monaghan area I am in conversation with several of the Monaghan players on a regular basis and they hold this individual in high regard! 

Just because your club didn't have the ability to beat Kilcoo in the past 10 years, doesn't mean that you take this out on the new Down manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 30, 2022, 06:46:10 PM
Quote from: The_big_bad_wolf on December 30, 2022, 06:34:43 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 30, 2022, 04:28:34 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 30, 2022, 12:20:44 AM
And so the apathy continues. It just goes to show it doesn't matter who may be in charge, or what squad of players available, it'll always be the wrong call, the wrong man, the county boards fault, Kilcoo's fault, Sean Og's dogs food suppliers fault. Sick to the teeth of it. Get behind the management, team and county whoever it may be instead of forensically examining the whataboutery of yesteryear to try and unearth some damning statistic to bark at us all.

I have no issue getting behind the team and the county, we all want them to do well but the management is a different issue. I, like many others, despise our current manager and will never back him. The track record of ill discipline and unacceptable behaviour by every team he has ever been involved with says more about him than it does of the players, hopefully the Down players take a strong line and tell him to do one if he tries it on, just the Monaghan players did.

I would like if you would get your facts right Lotto about the current Down manager.  With my job based in the Monaghan area I am in conversation with several of the Monaghan players on a regular basis and they hold this individual in high regard! 

Just because your club didn't have the ability to beat Kilcoo in the past 10 years, doesn't mean that you take this out on the new Down manager.

There you go now, that's me told. Funny, that's not what I have heard and if he was such a wonderful coach why did they not want to keep him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The_big_bad_wolf on December 30, 2022, 06:59:58 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 30, 2022, 06:46:10 PM
Quote from: The_big_bad_wolf on December 30, 2022, 06:34:43 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 30, 2022, 04:28:34 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 30, 2022, 12:20:44 AM
And so the apathy continues. It just goes to show it doesn't matter who may be in charge, or what squad of players available, it'll always be the wrong call, the wrong man, the county boards fault, Kilcoo's fault, Sean Og's dogs food suppliers fault. Sick to the teeth of it. Get behind the management, team and county whoever it may be instead of forensically examining the whataboutery of yesteryear to try and unearth some damning statistic to bark at us all.

I have no issue getting behind the team and the county, we all want them to do well but the management is a different issue. I, like many others, despise our current manager and will never back him. The track record of ill discipline and unacceptable behaviour by every team he has ever been involved with says more about him than it does of the players, hopefully the Down players take a strong line and tell him to do one if he tries it on, just the Monaghan players did.

I would like if you would get your facts right Lotto about the current Down manager.  With my job based in the Monaghan area I am in conversation with several of the Monaghan players on a regular basis and they hold this individual in high regard! 

Just because your club didn't have the ability to beat Kilcoo in the past 10 years, doesn't mean that you take this out on the new Down manager.

There you go now, that's me told. Funny, that's not what I have heard and if he was such a wonderful coach why did they not want to keep him?

I don't know what you heard but I know for a fact, from the players I have spoken to, that they wanted him to stay.  There were other issues within the camp, which are the reason why the goal keeper coach John Devine and the S&C coach Peter Donnelly left at the same time as our current Down Manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 30, 2022, 07:51:32 PM
Quote from: The_big_bad_wolf on December 30, 2022, 06:59:58 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 30, 2022, 06:46:10 PM
Quote from: The_big_bad_wolf on December 30, 2022, 06:34:43 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 30, 2022, 04:28:34 PM
Quote from: supersub on December 30, 2022, 12:20:44 AM
And so the apathy continues. It just goes to show it doesn't matter who may be in charge, or what squad of players available, it'll always be the wrong call, the wrong man, the county boards fault, Kilcoo's fault, Sean Og's dogs food suppliers fault. Sick to the teeth of it. Get behind the management, team and county whoever it may be instead of forensically examining the whataboutery of yesteryear to try and unearth some damning statistic to bark at us all.

I have no issue getting behind the team and the county, we all want them to do well but the management is a different issue. I, like many others, despise our current manager and will never back him. The track record of ill discipline and unacceptable behaviour by every team he has ever been involved with says more about him than it does of the players, hopefully the Down players take a strong line and tell him to do one if he tries it on, just the Monaghan players did.

I would like if you would get your facts right Lotto about the current Down manager.  With my job based in the Monaghan area I am in conversation with several of the Monaghan players on a regular basis and they hold this individual in high regard! 

Just because your club didn't have the ability to beat Kilcoo in the past 10 years, doesn't mean that you take this out on the new Down manager.

There you go now, that's me told. Funny, that's not what I have heard and if he was such a wonderful coach why did they not want to keep him?

I don't know what you heard but I know for a fact, from the players I have spoken to, that they wanted him to stay.  There were other issues within the camp, which are the reason why the goal keeper coach John Devine and the S&C coach Peter Donnelly left at the same time as our current Down Manager.

There's me told again. Apparently we have a Clonduff man backing the 'current Down manager' as he keeps saying, you are a forgiving bunch in Hilltown.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 31, 2022, 11:21:18 AM
At last. Let's hope this man has more loyalty than the last one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on December 31, 2022, 07:36:04 PM
Johnnysboys I see nobody has bitten on your clickbait
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on December 31, 2022, 09:23:29 PM
Narrow defeat to Mayo yesterday
Good signs
Roll on Wednesday
Can't wait
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 01, 2023, 01:33:21 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 31, 2022, 09:23:29 PM
Narrow defeat to Mayo yesterday
Good signs
Roll on Wednesday
Can't wait

Any idea of the team line out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 01, 2023, 02:37:54 PM
Would be interesting to see for sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 02, 2023, 09:46:55 AM
If challenge matches have been happening, how are these counties getting around the fact that the gaa don't permit challenges till Jan 1st? Or has rule changed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 02, 2023, 09:55:20 AM
An unofficial challenge match. So if anyone got injured it would be a training injury

It's a daft rule anyway

A very encouraging pre season

Beat Roscommon
Beat Queens
Beat Jordanstown
Tight lose to Mayo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on January 02, 2023, 10:53:26 AM
McKenna cup Games being streamed anywhere ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 03, 2023, 08:50:51 AM
I am hearing that Kilcoo have been in talks with Banty and CPN are going to Crossmaglen for an appointment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 03, 2023, 11:26:40 AM
Quote from: stiff breeze on January 02, 2023, 10:53:26 AM
McKenna cup Games being streamed anywhere ?

I am trying to figure that out, i won't be able to travel but would like to buy online. I am sure our county socials or website will have something up today .
The match on Sunday is clashing with Kilmacud but they should win easy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on January 03, 2023, 09:56:12 PM
Ulster Gaa TV streaming the Mckenna cup games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on January 04, 2023, 09:26:48 AM
Quote from: urbangael on January 03, 2023, 09:56:12 PM
Ulster Gaa TV streaming the Mckenna cup games.

Where do you find the link for the streaming?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 04, 2023, 10:02:22 AM
Any Down squad yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: smort on January 04, 2023, 10:02:32 AM
https://ulster.gaa.ie/tv/ (https://ulster.gaa.ie/tv/)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on January 04, 2023, 12:06:18 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 31, 2022, 09:23:29 PM
Narrow defeat to Mayo yesterday
Good signs
Roll on Wednesday
Can't wait
Roll on tonight is right Smurfy! Longstone manager Declan Morgan quoted in the papers last week, it's the hardest any Down team has ever trained and a better buzz than any previous Down set up!

Step aside the late great Barney Carr, Gerry Brown, double all Ireland winner Peter McGrath, Paddy O Rourke, Ross Carr, James McCartan, Jim McCrory, Eamon Burns (RIP), and current All Ireland winner Paddy Tally, the true messiah has arrived!

See you all in Castleblaney tonight!
Down for SAM 2023
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 04, 2023, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on January 04, 2023, 12:06:18 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on December 31, 2022, 09:23:29 PM
Narrow defeat to Mayo yesterday
Good signs
Roll on Wednesday
Can't wait
Roll on tonight is right Smurfy! Longstone manager Declan Morgan quoted in the papers last week, it's the hardest any Down team has ever trained and a better buzz than any previous Down set up!

Step aside the late great Barney Carr, Gerry Brown, double all Ireland winner Peter McGrath, Paddy O Rourke, Ross Carr, James McCartan, Jim McCrory, Eamon Burns (RIP), and current All Ireland winner Paddy Tally, the true messiah has arrived!

See you all in Castleblaney tonight!
Down for SAM 2023

Eamon manages Longstone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 04, 2023, 01:08:22 PM
Smurfy or Johnnysboys. Why are al the players left the Point, you were so close last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 04, 2023, 04:50:45 PM
Down team;
J O'Hare
T McInerney
P Laverty
C Francis
R  McCormick
N McParland
N Donnelly
S Annett
O Murdock
M Walsh
D McAleenan
S Miller
E Brown
P Havern
A Gilmore

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on January 04, 2023, 05:43:45 PM
Defintely a few surprise names for first game but these lads must have been going well in training..Best of luck for 2023
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on January 04, 2023, 05:51:37 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2023, 01:08:22 PM
Smurfy or Johnnysboys. Why are al the players left the Point, you were so close last year.
Have they left or long term injured
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 04, 2023, 06:26:09 PM
I'd imagine the 1st 15 for the first league game will be more telling on who Laverty really fancies.
I'd be suprised if there wasn't substantial changes for the next 2 McKenna cup games and rightly so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on January 04, 2023, 06:56:33 PM
Some difference in the Down starting 15 vs both Armagh & Tyrone!

1 Niall Morgan
2 Nathan McCarron
3 Cormac Munroe
4 Padraig Hampsey
5 Cormac Quinn
6 Peter Harte
7 Niall Devlin
8 Brian Kennedy
9 Richie Donnelly
10 Dalaigh Jones
11 Conor Meyler
12 Ryan Jones
13 Cathal McShane
14 Matthew Donnelly
15 Conor Cush

1 Ethan Rafferty
2 Paddy Burns
3 Aidan Forker
4 Ross Finn
5 Conor O'Neill
6 Barry McCambridge
7 Jarly Og Burns
8 Niall Grimley
9 Bug Sheridan
10 Eoin Woods
11 Aidan Nugent
12 Tiarnan Kelly
13 Conor Turbitt
14 Andy Murnin
15 Shane McPartland
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on January 04, 2023, 07:27:15 PM
Changes in Down team ahead of tonight's Bank of Ireland Dr McKenna Cup        17 Ryan Magill replaces 2 Tomás McInerney                  18 Ross Carr replaces 13 Éamonn Brown                       21 Barry O Hagan replaces 14 Pat Havern
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on January 04, 2023, 09:16:24 PM
Comfortable winners; good performance, but should have won by far more. Obs only a trial game for Monaghan, but a win is a win. No obvious new players, but the jersey numbers made them hard to pick out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 04, 2023, 09:18:32 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on January 04, 2023, 06:56:33 PM
Some difference in the Down starting 15 vs both Armagh & Tyrone!

1 Niall Morgan
2 Nathan McCarron
3 Cormac Munroe
4 Padraig Hampsey
5 Cormac Quinn
6 Peter Harte
7 Niall Devlin
8 Brian Kennedy
9 Richie Donnelly
10 Dalaigh Jones
11 Conor Meyler
12 Ryan Jones
13 Cathal McShane
14 Matthew Donnelly
15 Conor Cush

1 Ethan Rafferty
2 Paddy Burns
3 Aidan Forker
4 Ross Finn
5 Conor O'Neill
6 Barry McCambridge
7 Jarly Og Burns
8 Niall Grimley
9 Bug Sheridan
10 Eoin Woods
11 Aidan Nugent
12 Tiarnan Kelly
13 Conor Turbitt
14 Andy Murnin
15 Shane McPartland

That's 2021 All Ireland winning Tyrone right?

Strange comparison.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 04, 2023, 09:34:35 PM
A fine start for Laverty, although we probably should have won more comfortably. O'Hare was impressive in goals, with Francis also showing well. Donnelly made a decent return after three years and McAleenan always used the ball well. Our stars were Murdoch and Gilmore and there was a clear sense that we are going in the right direction.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 04, 2023, 09:52:23 PM
Great start.
O Hare brilliant in goals. Where has he been? Donnach made things tick. Murdock and Annett look like our best partnership in years. Both young and full of running. What club is Brannigan from?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 04, 2023, 10:25:30 PM
Good start in a match that got a bit disjointed in second half with so many subs coming on on both teams. Probably should've won by more but definitely encouraging performances especially from O'Hare in goals, Murdock and Gilmore.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on January 04, 2023, 10:33:09 PM
Good start for the boys. It's too early to get carried away but there was definitely a lot of positives. We look like we have a system. Monaghan did not create a goal chance so we are hard to break down and our forwards are creating opportunities.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 04, 2023, 11:06:48 PM
On a different note is it just me or are the numbers on the back of the Down jerseys really hard to make out?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 04, 2023, 11:19:06 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2023, 01:08:22 PM
Smurfy or Johnnysboys. Why are al the players left the Point, you were so close last year.

Quite a few injuries that need cleared up. Adam Lynch ACL, Gary Mac - shoulder surgery, Paddy Murdock - shoulder surgery, Eoghan Byrne - MCL then Cormac is moving to Dublin club St Jude's, no word on Davidson yet if he playing another year and a few younger lads going to states in summer - puts a massive whole in the group.. Close but no cigar as they say.

Good performance tonight - all players showed well - positivity about the camp seems evident. Must be a panel of 50 odd in the huddle at the end. Players will get their chance I'm sure over next couple of games before any cut made for league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 05, 2023, 08:31:52 AM
A really positive performance last night, we wer strong in defence, dominated midfield and should have scored a whole lot more. Donegal will be another good test but to make a McKenna semi final would be unreal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on January 05, 2023, 01:45:30 PM
Making a McKenna cup semi final would hardly be unreal!!  Imagine we win a championship game Truth you'll need medical attention!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 05, 2023, 01:54:05 PM
I think Donegal at home for us is a great draw. There will be relatively low expectation on us to win.

From the outside looking in, the Carr appointment for Donegal has been underwhelming, there are reports of poor attendance at training. A poor league campaign for them and a good one for us could leave both of us in div 2 next year.

It's no more than a hunch, but as soon as I saw the draw I thought it was a good draw for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on January 05, 2023, 07:14:22 PM
Good win and good to get the monkey off the back of not having won last year but don't fall for that old chestnut of "oh look at what we have inherited, poor us." This is a group who have been training and playing games long before any county in Ireland, Down have the current all Ireland club champions, and the standard of club footballer is very very high, unfortunately last year we were 2 months behind. I expect nothing less than a straight forward promotion out of a very poor division three. Also remember, it's the most expensive management team we have assembled in a long time, 120k wouldn't cover it so with that comes expectations and fair dues the team looked fit but they should be having been training 5 nights a week since the start of October.
Kilcoo players only returned on Monday night past so it was surprising to see Docherty and McEvoy play when others have been training hard since October but it will be hard to hide the Kilcoo loyalty as we heard him say on the Niblock podcast back in February, they are number one always for him. Wing back Rooney and goalkeeper Kane the only other two involved presently, no sign of any Brannigans, no Ward, no Anthony Morgan and really surprised the Johnston's arent back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 05, 2023, 07:37:03 PM
Laverty might well have more Burren men starting than Kilcoo men come championship. I'd expect Liam Kerr and Odhran Murdock to be nailed on and likely at least one of the Magills.

McEvoy could well start but there are not too many more you would have as certainties to start. Rooney as mentioned above would certainly be a strong option.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: extra time on January 06, 2023, 11:47:35 AM
Is it online ticketing for the match on Sunday or can you pay at the gate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on January 06, 2023, 12:38:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 05, 2023, 08:31:52 AM
A really positive performance last night, we wer strong in defence, dominated midfield and should have scored a whole lot more. Donegal will be another good test but to make a McKenna semi final would be unreal.

Ffs it's the McKenna cup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 06, 2023, 01:04:08 PM
Quote from: extra time on January 06, 2023, 11:47:35 AM
Is it online ticketing for the match on Sunday or can you pay at the gate?
Id say you need to buy online.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 06, 2023, 02:27:11 PM
You wont be turned away with cash at the gate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 07, 2023, 09:56:53 PM
Quote from: extra time on January 06, 2023, 11:47:35 AM
Is it online ticketing for the match on Sunday or can you pay at the gate?

No cash as it's Ulster gaa taking the money not Down GAA. No cash at gate unfortunately.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on January 08, 2023, 10:01:10 AM
Curious to see how many changes we make today especially with so many lads involved in Sigerson action in two days time. Have heard we will see at least 5 changes from Wednesdays team. Donegal are in a very similar predicament to ourselves this time last year with a late appointment and a late start. Our 3 month head start should see us win comfortably and into our first McKenna Cup semi final in a few years. Also, "Wee Doc" is in line for the captaincy for the year ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 08, 2023, 10:24:25 AM
I had a suspicion that Liam Kerr might get the captaincy. Guaranteed starter, probably our best player, bit of an olive branch to the Burren contingent. No more than a hunch though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 08, 2023, 03:25:44 PM
The best Down performance in 2 or 3 years
A serious team gathering pace
Havern was brilliant
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on January 08, 2023, 03:30:11 PM
Good performance from down. Pat haven, liam kerr and pat haven all excellent. Donegal aare a good bit of the pace though t present and apparently they have over 40 players in their county involved  in sigerson next weekend so they will be very different outfit come championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 08, 2023, 03:56:44 PM
It's only McKenna cup etc etc but winning breeds confidence. Another very good performance from Down, top performances from Havern, Conor Francis and Barry OHagan among others. Still a big panel and competition for places is good to see. Good to get to McKenna semis and get at least one more competitive game before the league starts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 08, 2023, 05:22:49 PM
While McKenna Cup performances will soon be forgotten, it is still the first time in a decade that we have managed to make the semi finals of the competition. Havern and Francis were excellent throughout, and we looked solid at midfield as well. Even if there are no further additions to the squad from Kilcoo, we should be in decent shape for the start of the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on January 08, 2023, 06:37:21 PM
Mckenna cup is obviously not much more than a friendly but 2 wins in a row is always welcome. Serious pace in the team with Liam Kerr the quickest of the lot but is also pace with a purpose. McEvoy round the middle was welcome to see interesting to see if he stays there as he is a quality full back too. Big Donnelly worked hard and Havern was on fine form. OHagan will get fitter and sharper. Green shoots of optimism I'd expect promotion from Div 3. Seems to be a large squad with probably 10 or 15 players not even named on the match day panel. Massive competition for players will only help.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 08, 2023, 09:05:57 PM
Tyrone beat Down in the semi final of the McKenna cup in Armagh 2-3 years ago
The squad seems to be very united
That's what happens when everyone pulls the one way
That wasn't happening last year and players were calling the shots
Thankfully those players are now off the panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 08, 2023, 09:51:10 PM
Smurfy is correct and and I had forgotten that we did make the McKenna semis in 2020. However, we came out of a group with Fermanagh and Antrim that year before getting hammered by Tyrone and our record in the competition has been generally dreadful over the last decade. Getting an extra game against decent opposition next weekend is a big help and should give us a fair idea about our league prospects.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 09, 2023, 09:28:24 AM
There seems to be no bullshitters in this squad and it is full of hard workers.
This squad is likeable so fair play to the lads for assembling the squad and building a work ethic.
Granted it was a poor Donegal side but there are signs that we are going places. The competition for places for the league will be intense.
That forward line yesterday was full and pace with Kerr and Havern brilliant. Brannigan and Fitzpatrick for new boys do not look out of place in a Down shirt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 09, 2023, 09:48:45 AM
I'd say Havern, Kerr & O'Hagan are nailed on to start v Tipp in the league this month. Gilmore and McAleenan are doing their chances no harm either.

Would Murdock and McEvoy compliment each other in midfield?. Donnelly worth a shout there too. Serious amount of competition for half back slots, Annett, McCormack, McPartland, Francis, Rooney have all impressed.

Looking forward to see who we get on Sunday, we definitely have a spring in our step which is good to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 09, 2023, 10:10:15 AM
Truth you are right they seem a really likeable bunch of players
Watching them yesterday. Working hard and no bullshit along the way
The bad eggs in the squad have been finally routed out
The management team deserve huge credit for that
The last few years boys thought they were doing Down GAA a favour by playing. Not anymore. I would say the same boys now want back into the squad
Kerr Havern O Hagan Gilmore to start v Tipp
Donnelly Murdock Mid
McEvoy McParland in defence
O Hare Kane nets
That leaves 6-7 positions up for grabs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 09, 2023, 10:35:17 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 09, 2023, 10:10:15 AM
Truth you are right they seem a really likeable bunch of players
Watching them yesterday. Working hard and no bullshit along the way
The bad eggs in the squad have been finally routed out
The management team deserve huge credit for that
The last few years boys thought they were doing Down GAA a favour by playing. Not anymore. I would say the same boys now want back into the squad
Kerr Havern O Hagan Gilmore to start v Tipp
Donnelly Murdock Mid
McEvoy McParland in defence
O Hare Kane nets
That leaves 6-7 positions up for grabs

Team for Tipp

O'Hare
Fegan
McEvoy
Francis
Annett
McParland
Francis
Donnelly
Murdock
Docherty
McAleenan
O'Hagan
Kerr
Havern
Gilmore

Great options on the bench too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 09, 2023, 10:39:13 AM
You are expecting a lot from Francis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 09, 2023, 10:40:53 AM
Strong team. You have Francis in twice. I would like to see Kane in for the semi final to see how he goes. O Hare has been brilliant so far but Kane is really good too. He needs game time before the league starts. Ryan Magill should start to
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 09, 2023, 10:49:33 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 09, 2023, 10:40:53 AM
Strong team. You have Francis in twice. I would like to see Kane in for the semi final to see how he goes. O Hare has been brilliant so far but Kane is really good too. He needs game time before the league starts. Ryan Magill should start to

sorry Magill in at 7 for me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on January 09, 2023, 12:40:41 PM
Quote from: ardtole on January 09, 2023, 10:39:13 AM
You are expecting a lot from Francis.

No that's his dad Simon in corner back.

Wee but wicked!

😉
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 09, 2023, 01:13:44 PM
Any white smoke from Kilcoo?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on January 09, 2023, 02:22:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2023, 01:13:44 PM
Any white smoke from Kilcoo?

Bit too damp for burning whins this weather.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Granto on January 10, 2023, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on January 09, 2023, 02:22:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2023, 01:13:44 PM
Any white smoke from Kilcoo?

Bit too damp for burning whins this weather.

You could always throw some Petrol on them  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 11, 2023, 08:23:18 AM
Quote from: Granto on January 10, 2023, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on January 09, 2023, 02:22:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2023, 01:13:44 PM
Any white smoke from Kilcoo?

Bit too damp for burning whins this weather.

You could always throw some Petrol on them  ;)

Petrol doesn't burn for long enough on the whins.

A tyre in the middle of them and some red diesel is your only man for the whins.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on January 11, 2023, 08:27:19 AM
No white smoke from tyres.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 11, 2023, 12:10:19 PM
I would like to see a new Down website this year. It looks a bit dated but still provides a good service. A very small gripe I might add.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 11, 2023, 03:27:28 PM
What's your thoughts on reserve teams entering division 4, the weak get weaker and the strong get stronger. It will be great more morale in  Ardlass, Glassdrumman St Michael's etc when Burren or Kilcoo seconds beat them by a cricket score.

The clubs in Down need to be stronger than this and we can't let the big clubs continually walk over us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on January 11, 2023, 03:47:15 PM
Surely that's not the fault of these so called bigger teams who have developed better players or their underage systems flourished during a certain timespan. Maybe I've read your comment wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 11, 2023, 03:55:43 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 11, 2023, 03:27:28 PM
What's your thoughts on reserve teams entering division 4, the weak get weaker and the strong get stronger. It will be great more morale in  Ardlass, Glassdrumman St Michael's etc when Burren or Kilcoo seconds beat them by a cricket score.

The clubs in Down need to be stronger than this and we can't let the big clubs continually walk over us.

Surely they'll find their level and if these reserve teams are that good they'll rise into Div3 etc etc when they won't be winning by cricket scores.

This isn't a new thing in Down BTW.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 11, 2023, 04:19:25 PM
During the early part of the 80's, reserve teams were involved in the Down ACFL structure when there were five divisions. Similarly, reserve teams were permitted entry into the JFC in the early 90's.

If CCC put in proper rules and criteria within by-law in relation to eligibility criteria for these reserve teams then would we not be seeing teams lining out more akin to a thirds' team?

Surely, the clubs that enter reserve teams into Div 4/Div5 will need to name a Top 13/23 that initially excludes players unable to play reserve football. Similarly, you would imagine that 'team hopping' wouldn't be allowed as in if a player outside of the say the Top 23 plays a senior game then that automatically rules them out of playing for the reserve team and vice versa.

Down CCC will surely need to seriously consider the player eligibility factor if integrating reserve teams into the ACFL is to be done right and have purpose. There is talk too that these reserve sides wouldn't be allowed to enter the JFC. Why would this be? Surely they deserve the opportunity of promotion and silverware like anyone else.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 11, 2023, 05:10:18 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 11, 2023, 04:19:25 PM
During the early part of the 80's, reserve teams were involved in the Down ACFL structure when there were five divisions. Similarly, reserve teams were permitted entry into the JFC in the early 90's.

If CCC put in proper rules and criteria within by-law in relation to eligibility criteria for these reserve teams then would we not be seeing teams lining out more akin to a thirds' team?

Surely, the clubs that enter reserve teams into Div 4/Div5 will need to name a Top 13/23 that initially excludes players unable to play reserve football. Similarly, you would imagine that 'team hopping' wouldn't be allowed as in if a player outside of the say the Top 23 plays a senior game then that automatically rules them out of playing for the reserve team and vice versa.

Down CCC will surely need to seriously consider the player eligibility factor if integrating reserve teams into the ACFL is to be done right and have purpose. There is talk too that these reserve sides wouldn't be allowed to enter the JFC. Why would this be? Surely they deserve the opportunity of promotion and silverware like anyone else.

In fairness this isn't a Down CB stipulation, that's a Croke Park stipulation and once again is currently in place for the hurling also.
None of the senior teams in Down hurling who have reserve teams in the leagues can enter the intermediate or junior championships but enter into the separate Betsy Gray Cups and shields. There'd need to be different competitions to facilitate these reserve teams in championship football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 11, 2023, 05:53:50 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 11, 2023, 05:10:18 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 11, 2023, 04:19:25 PM
During the early part of the 80's, reserve teams were involved in the Down ACFL structure when there were five divisions. Similarly, reserve teams were permitted entry into the JFC in the early 90's.

If CCC put in proper rules and criteria within by-law in relation to eligibility criteria for these reserve teams then would we not be seeing teams lining out more akin to a thirds' team?

Surely, the clubs that enter reserve teams into Div 4/Div5 will need to name a Top 13/23 that initially excludes players unable to play reserve football. Similarly, you would imagine that 'team hopping' wouldn't be allowed as in if a player outside of the say the Top 23 plays a senior game then that automatically rules them out of playing for the reserve team and vice versa.

Down CCC will surely need to seriously consider the player eligibility factor if integrating reserve teams into the ACFL is to be done right and have purpose. There is talk too that these reserve sides wouldn't be allowed to enter the JFC. Why would this be? Surely they deserve the opportunity of promotion and silverware like anyone else.

In fairness this isn't a Down CB stipulation, that's a Croke Park stipulation and once again is currently in place for the hurling also.
None of the senior teams in Down hurling who have reserve teams in the leagues can enter the intermediate or junior championships but enter into the separate Betsy Gray Cups and shields. There'd need to be different competitions to facilitate these reserve teams in championship football

Not in all cases. Portlaoise reserves won this year's Laois JFC. They defeated Barrowhouse in the final. Barrowhouse went on to represent Laois in the Leinster JFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on January 11, 2023, 08:53:43 PM
Works well for the hurling in Down, although sometimes the likes of Port's 2nds can give out some trimming to the weaker junior hurling clubs...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 11, 2023, 09:35:07 PM
Down v Derry in Newry on Sunday at 1.30pm in McKenna cup semi final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 12, 2023, 09:25:37 AM
Sundays semi final v Derry should give us a better idea of how far we have improved under Laverty.

With the league starting in 2 weeks, we might get an idea of Lavertys 1st 15, and I don't think we will see as many substitutions as the 2 previous games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 12, 2023, 09:36:52 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on January 11, 2023, 03:47:15 PM
Surely that's not the fault of these so called bigger teams who have developed better players or their underage systems flourished during a certain timespan. Maybe I've read your comment wrong.

Its not the fault of smaller clubs who have no population either. Glasdrumman and Carryduff is no comparison in population. Leave premier reserve teams to play in their own leagues and championships. The smaller clubs in division 4 do not need to be beaten by a seconds team. It wont be good for them. Protect the clubs at all costs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 12, 2023, 09:38:05 AM
Quote from: ardtole on January 12, 2023, 09:25:37 AM
Sundays semi final v Derry should give us a better idea of how far we have improved under Laverty.

With the league starting in 2 weeks, we might get an idea of Lavertys 1st 15, and I don't think we will see as many substitutions as the 2 previous games.

The county board should give every P7 a free ticket to get as many people in Esler on Sunday. I am looking forward to this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on January 12, 2023, 10:12:53 AM
There would be 3rds teams well able to play in D4 never mind Premier Reserve teams.  Why has this topic even been brought up again?  Is it happening/proposed or is this just discussion?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 12, 2023, 10:24:52 AM
Quote from: outinfront on January 12, 2023, 10:12:53 AM
There would be 3rds teams well able to play in D4 never mind Premier Reserve teams.  Why has this topic even been brought up again?  Is it happening/proposed or is this just discussion?

Everyone will be  delighted as long as little Seanan from Rathgannon in Warrenpoint who was sent to Burren school can claim he is playing for Burren seconds. It is trying to be squeezed in by the south Down elite and it might be the death knell for certain clubs. Division 3 and 4 clubs need to be strong on this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 12, 2023, 10:27:51 AM
Do we have enough referees to run more games on the Friday? Would be a case of the games being split over the weekend if too many reverse teams get put into the league structure
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 12, 2023, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 12, 2023, 10:27:51 AM
Do we have enough referees to run more games on the Friday? Would be a case of the games being split over the weekend if too many reverse teams get put into the league structure

Sure let the seconds teams play at a different time from the seniors and make them stronger.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on January 12, 2023, 10:48:16 AM
Is this an actual real life possibility this season or is it another bullshit topic instigated by the person whose own club haven't a team to their name?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 12, 2023, 11:03:33 AM
Quote from: No1 on January 12, 2023, 10:48:16 AM
Is this an actual real life possibility this season or is it another bullshit topic instigated by the person whose own club haven't a team to their name?

Go and ask your county board rep, I don't start bullshit .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on January 12, 2023, 11:08:10 AM
If the bigger clubs enter another team into a Div 4 or 5 it wont be a seconds team. There will be 20 guys playing on the same night for their senior team and any involved in a county set up wont be playing either, eg. Burren might have 6/7 playing county, 20 playing in Div 1 so your really looking at a 3rds team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 12, 2023, 11:09:41 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on January 12, 2023, 11:08:10 AM
If the bigger clubs enter another team into a Div 4 or 5 it wont be a seconds team. There will be 20 guys playing on the same night for their senior team and any involved in a county set up wont be playing either, eg. Burren might have 6/7 playing county, 20 playing in Div 1 so your really looking at a 3rds team.

You are looking at a premier reserve championship team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 12, 2023, 11:33:18 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2023, 10:42:01 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 12, 2023, 10:27:51 AM
Do we have enough referees to run more games on the Friday? Would be a case of the games being split over the weekend if too many reverse teams get put into the league structure

Sure let the seconds teams play at a different time from the seniors and make them stronger.

Not what I'm saying Truth.. I'm asking do we have enough referees because if not then games are going to be have to played on different days. That affects fixtures all over the county if that's the case
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 12, 2023, 11:50:10 AM
Can anyone post the Kilcoo team that won the PRFC this year please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MRashford21 on January 12, 2023, 12:06:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2023, 11:50:10 AM
Can anyone post the Kilcoo team that won the PRFC this year please?
1. S Kane
2. R Greenan
3. D Mcevoy
4. T Fettis
5. O Mcevoy
6. C Rodgers
7. M Hynes
8. F Mcgreevey
9. J Clarke
10. G Mcevoy
11. C Rooney
12. N Rodgers
13. C Oriley
14. J Morgan
15. S Og Mccusker

A lot of them featured through out the senior championship this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on January 12, 2023, 12:15:57 PM
Agree.  Looking at Derry's teams so far they have gone strong in both games.  Obviously no Glen players but well established names and the bulk of the team that won Ulster last year.  What's the story with the Sigerson players for Sunday.  Will they be available for Down? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 12, 2023, 12:19:21 PM
Quote from: MRashford21 on January 12, 2023, 12:06:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2023, 11:50:10 AM
Can anyone post the Kilcoo team that won the PRFC this year please?
1. S Kane
2. R Greenan
3. D Mcevoy
4. T Fettis
5. O Mcevoy
6. C Rodgers
7. M Hynes
8. F Mcgreevey
9. J Clarke
10. G Mcevoy
11. C Rooney
12. N Rodgers
13. C Oriley
14. J Morgan
15. S Og Mccusker

A lot of them featured through out the senior championship this year

That squad would be comfortable in Divison 3 never mind 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on January 12, 2023, 02:02:20 PM
Cross & Killeavy both field IIs in Armagh. They're a separate entity from their respective senior sides - they generally play at the same time and are essentially a separate club. Killeavy II are very much a junior standard side and Cross II fluctuate between junior & intermediate. The world didn't end when they along with Cullyhanna, Dromintee and Clann Éireann entered IIs teams. No Div4 clubs folded (in fact one briefly emerged at one stage) Logistics more than anything will be the main barrier.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 12, 2023, 02:28:57 PM
Quote from: general_lee on January 12, 2023, 02:02:20 PM
Cross & Killeavy both field IIs in Armagh. They're a separate entity from their respective senior sides - they generally play at the same time and are essentially a separate club. Killeavy II are very much a junior standard side and Cross II fluctuate between junior & intermediate. The world didn't end when they along with Cullyhanna, Dromintee and Clann Éireann entered IIs teams. No Div4 clubs folded (in fact one briefly emerged at one stage) Logistics more than anything will be the main barrier.

St Michael's Killean folded
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on January 12, 2023, 02:45:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2023, 02:28:57 PM
Quote from: general_lee on January 12, 2023, 02:02:20 PM
Cross & Killeavy both field IIs in Armagh. They're a separate entity from their respective senior sides - they generally play at the same time and are essentially a separate club. Killeavy II are very much a junior standard side and Cross II fluctuate between junior & intermediate. The world didn't end when they along with Cullyhanna, Dromintee and Clann Éireann entered IIs teams. No Div4 clubs folded (in fact one briefly emerged at one stage) Logistics more than anything will be the main barrier.

St Michael's Killean folded
Aka Killeavy IIIs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on January 12, 2023, 02:53:16 PM
Not a bad pitch they had, whatever came of it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on January 12, 2023, 03:53:00 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2023, 12:19:21 PM
Quote from: MRashford21 on January 12, 2023, 12:06:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 12, 2023, 11:50:10 AM
Can anyone post the Kilcoo team that won the PRFC this year please?
1. S Kane
2. R Greenan
3. D Mcevoy
4. T Fettis
5. O Mcevoy
6. C Rodgers
7. M Hynes
8. F Mcgreevey
9. J Clarke
10. G Mcevoy
11. C Rooney
12. N Rodgers
13. C Oriley
14. J Morgan
15. S Og Mccusker

A lot of them featured through out the senior championship this year
T

That squad would be comfortable in Divison 3 never mind 4

At least 10 of that that team  would be on the 1st team squad so would not be available for 2nds if playing at the same time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on January 12, 2023, 04:24:04 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on January 12, 2023, 02:53:16 PM
Not a bad pitch they had, whatever came of it?
Armagh Ladies bought it and use it as their home
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on January 12, 2023, 10:02:51 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on January 12, 2023, 04:24:04 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on January 12, 2023, 02:53:16 PM
Not a bad pitch they had, whatever came of it?
Armagh Ladies bought it and use it as their home

It is leased. Killean still own it and are trying to restart with underage coaching.
Could be sticky if they even get up and running properly but not sure if they will.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 13, 2023, 09:26:05 AM
Lets focus on the main talking point this weekend.. can Down continue to keep up this good form as we go into a possibly stronger opposition? I reckon the weekends team could mimic the potential starting 15 in the league. Home advantage will help also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: shawshank on January 13, 2023, 09:28:23 AM
Derrys 3rd game in 8 days, they will be hanging.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on January 13, 2023, 10:07:21 AM
@weeJamesMcc i do agree, im sure Laverty and Co. will take a difference approach come Sunday against arguably the biggest threat in Ulster this year, will be good to see a third win on the trot
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 13, 2023, 10:35:02 AM
Not too sure if taking a different approach is the right thing to do IMO.. they seem to be playing well for the new management and doesn't seem to be as much yapping than the last few years.. i know it is only the McKenna cup but it would be nice to reach a final and send some sort of statement to div 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 13, 2023, 10:43:26 AM
That's what happens when you get rid of the bad eggs
The lads who thought they were doing Down a favour by playing
The 3 ringleaders of the Dublin fiasco are no longer on the panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 13, 2023, 10:46:45 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 13, 2023, 10:43:26 AM
That's what happens when you get rid of the bad eggs
The lads who thought they were doing Down a favour by playing
The 3 ringleaders of the Dublin fiasco are no longer on the panel
DoH,CM and who?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 13, 2023, 10:51:03 AM
No it wasn't DOH

CM
CQ

I'll leave the other name out of respect for a great career maybe just got caught up on a bad year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 13, 2023, 11:15:06 AM
I've never met Darren OHagan in my life, but having watched him playing for Down, in mostly lean times, he can hold his head high with any county man that went before him.
Fantastic player, great attitude, would be an addition to any Down team or panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 13, 2023, 11:31:29 AM
The Dublin incident was brewing all year.. was only a matter of time before it happened.. the team last year IMO was handled wrong with what there was to offer. It has always been the same in this county with your name getting you on a county panel.. This year it seems to have creeped out abit but still a few names hanging on  by a thread.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 13, 2023, 12:22:14 PM
who are hanging by a thread
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on January 13, 2023, 12:26:51 PM
who would you say is 'hanging by a thread'? weird statement to make
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 13, 2023, 12:41:17 PM
The 2 men that should not be there are the 2 Nialls.. IMO these men are not with Down for their skills at football..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on January 13, 2023, 01:30:24 PM
You may be right, but the Niall I watched last weekend was very effective around the middle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 13, 2023, 01:33:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 13, 2023, 10:51:03 AM
No it wasn't DOH

CM
CQ

I'll leave the other name out of respect for a great career maybe just got caught up on a bad year

Going by your reasoning for leaving them out I'd guess that person is from Burren?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 13, 2023, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on January 13, 2023, 01:33:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 13, 2023, 10:51:03 AM
No it wasn't DOH

CM
CQ

I'll leave the other name out of respect for a great career maybe just got caught up on a bad year

Going by your reasoning for leaving them out I'd guess that person is from Burren?

Wonder if this player was from Clonduff.. mayobridge.. kilcoo or warrenpoint would he be mentioned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on January 13, 2023, 02:12:31 PM
oh course he would be named and shamed... Burren looking out for Burren here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 13, 2023, 02:26:28 PM
I wonder is it the same man that was shouting up the changing rooms after the point defeat in the championship this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on January 13, 2023, 04:26:47 PM
McKernan?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 13, 2023, 09:44:26 PM
There we have it

Both Newry schools out at the first hurdle

The abbey didn't even make it to the first fence St Colmans fell at the first

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on January 14, 2023, 12:05:19 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 09, 2023, 10:35:17 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 09, 2023, 10:10:15 AM
Truth you are right they seem a really likeable bunch of players
Watching them yesterday. Working hard and no bullshit along the way
The bad eggs in the squad have been finally routed out
The management team deserve huge credit for that
The last few years boys thought they were doing Down GAA a favour by playing. Not anymore. I would say the same boys now want back into the squad
Kerr Havern O Hagan Gilmore to start v Tipp
Donnelly Murdock Mid
McEvoy McParland in defence
O Hare Kane nets
That leaves 6-7 positions up for grabs

Team for Tipp

O'Hare
Fegan
McEvoy
Francis
Annett
McParland
Francis
Donnelly
Murdock
Docherty
McAleenan
O'Hagan
Kerr
Havern
Gilmore

Great options on the bench too

Don't think Murdock will feature as he will be part of the Down U20s. Is there not a rule U20s can't play senior until their Cship is over ?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 14, 2023, 07:17:43 AM
I think there is an option to play either senior or u20. I'd be suprised if Laverty hasn't got him nailed down to go with the seniors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2023, 08:15:55 AM
He can play both. He played the first 2 national league matches last year then the under 20 championship against Tyrone.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 14, 2023, 10:39:40 AM
How is Laverty managing both gigs do the 2 squads train together I wonder.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 14, 2023, 11:27:01 AM
I don't think he has the u20s this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on January 14, 2023, 02:47:05 PM
Yeh Laverty does take the U20s too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on January 14, 2023, 02:49:07 PM
Quote from: ardtole on January 14, 2023, 07:17:43 AM
I think there is an option to play either senior or u20. I'd be suprised if Laverty hasn't got him nailed down to go with the seniors.
Laverty will have Murdock as captain of his U20s am sure
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MRashford21 on January 14, 2023, 05:04:31 PM
Has the u20s started yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on January 14, 2023, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: MRashford21 on January 14, 2023, 05:04:31 PM
Has the u20s started yet?

Not sure

Seen the lights on in esler tonight when driving past whatever was on ? Anyone know
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on January 14, 2023, 09:23:57 PM
under 20 trials this week and some of the senior team were playing tonight in a friendly so that was probably the lights
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2023, 10:06:12 PM
Down reserves played Louth in kilcoo tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on January 14, 2023, 10:24:49 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2023, 10:06:12 PM
Down reserves played Louth in kilcoo tonight
Not too sure where you got your info from; however the game was in Mayobridge ...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 14, 2023, 10:25:08 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 14, 2023, 10:06:12 PM
Down reserves played Louth in kilcoo tonight

Were you at it??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 14, 2023, 10:38:03 PM
Interesting team lineout selected for tomorrow. Hopefully get the job done. Derry this week and get over that a wee crack at Tyrone next week would set us up well for the league opener.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on January 14, 2023, 11:20:49 PM
I see Murdock is on bench. Someone told me U20s trials this Monday alright.

Could be a few late changes with the early publication of the team

Should be a good game

Will be shouting for my home county but my kids all Down fans
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on January 15, 2023, 11:36:03 AM
This is 100% accurate U20 trials Monday16/1/23 at 6.30pm in Burren 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on January 15, 2023, 03:55:25 PM
Derry nicked that but very impressed with Down. Such a change
Had to laugh at someone saying 2 Niall's shouldn't be there what a clown lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on January 15, 2023, 04:03:36 PM
Wee Jamesy and terrific Tommy's posts certainly aged well  ::) two Niall's were two of the best players on the pitch today along with Oran Murdock imo . Solid Down performance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on January 15, 2023, 04:33:28 PM
Stiff, I wasn't agreeing, I was saying the performance I had seen the previous week suggested they deserved their place in the team. Just read it again but I can see how it may have been misconstrued.

The work rate today was really great, thought very solid defensively too, getting numbers and closing spaces.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 15, 2023, 04:51:15 PM
Another good performance from Down, really encouraging signs going into the league. Great work rate and performances all round against a good Derry team. Massive improvement from the last few years.
Long time seen Newry seen a crowd as big as that, great to see
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 15, 2023, 05:23:44 PM
Good performances all round
Really encouraging from our so called lesser players
Donnelly O Hare McCarthy Donnacha Gilmore very good
Dunno what to do with O Hagan. Impact player. He just doesn't fit into Downs new regime.
Bring on Tipp
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 15, 2023, 05:33:04 PM
Good performance today from the lads. Lots of encouraging signs. Now the real stuff kicks in that's preseason over with. If Down can get promotion and win a championship game we've made progress. But the season won't be judged on a couple of decent McKenna cup games. Is there much change to the team do ye reckon come national league? I think Kane will play ahead of O'hare in goals, he's better from the restarts I think. Also I'd love Barry to half forward in place of Millar to start Gilmore. Other than that the team looks strong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 15, 2023, 05:41:17 PM
O hare has to play. Yes Kane is good but it would be a big call to take him in after the 3 games o hare has had. But a good position to be in with 2 really good keepers

Gilmore has to start. BOH not smart enough for a 10-12. Thought he was poor today for long periods

O hare
Magill
Mcevoy
McCarthy
Brannigan
McParland
Laverty
Donnelly
Murdock
Dougherty
Donnacha
Millar
Kerr
Havern
Gilmore


Good bench
Kane
McCarthey
O Hagan
Rooney
Annett
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 15, 2023, 06:29:35 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 15, 2023, 05:41:17 PM
O hare has to play. Yes Kane is good but it would be a big call to take him in after the 3 games o hare has had. But a good position to be in with 2 really good keepers

Gilmore has to start. BOH not smart enough for a 10-12. Thought he was poor today for long periods

O hare
Magill
Mcevoy
McCarthy
Brannigan
McParland
Laverty
Donnelly
Murdock
Dougherty
Donnacha
Millar
Kerr
Havern
Gilmore


Good bench
Kane
McCarthey
O Hagan
Rooney
Annett

I'd be very surprised if Conor Francis doesn't start and Barry OHagan will definitely start, think Gilmore will be used off the bench
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on January 15, 2023, 06:32:05 PM
 Lav not sure of his best 15 which is obviously understandable at this stage. I'd say about 10 are nailed on to start the first game in Tipp with 5 places up for grabs. Forwards just not on it as much today and I'd like to see early shots for points a bit more. Not sure if we have a forward who'll consistently score 5 or 6 points a game. We created about 6 goal chances which is really encouraging. Don't think the officials helped us much today. Few soft frees for Derry especially the equaliser. Linesmen just a joke. Confident of strong promotion push on the evidence of what I've seen from the 3 Mckenna cup games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on January 15, 2023, 06:39:48 PM
I wud say ross carr will feature also. He was good against Monaghan and wide add physically to the rearguard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on January 15, 2023, 06:56:59 PM
Have the 2 Johnstons and OHare retired??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 15, 2023, 08:09:39 PM
For tipp game
OHare
Fegan/Magill
McEvoy
Laverty
McCormack
McPartland
Francis
Murdock
Donnelly
Kerr
McAleenan
?
Ohagan
Havern
Gilmore
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on January 15, 2023, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on January 15, 2023, 06:56:59 PM
Have the 2 Johnstons and OHare retired??
What O'Hare are you talking about? The Johnston's won't be involved there is animosity between their family and Laverty. We are better without them anyway terrible attitude. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 15, 2023, 09:19:59 PM
Very encouraging display from Down against the Ulster champions, matching them all the way until the penalty shoot out which produced probably the ideal result for us. We didn't particularly want to risk injuries or suspensions from a relatively meaningless McKenna final against Tyrone, and instead we have two clear weeks to prepare for the crucial trip to Tipperary. The intensity and organisation of the Down squad is well capable of taking us to promotion, and we will also learn the lessons from today's draw. We were a little tentative when McKaigue was sent off with 20 minutes left and only scored three points in that period. McEvoy had an outstanding game but was throwing himself into tackles when he was on a yellow card, with Gallagher in the ear of the linesman throughout, and gave the ref the opportunity to even the sides up even before he also presented Derry with a last kick equaliser from a non-contact free. We have a fine central spine emerging through O'Hare, McEvoy, McParland, Donnelly, Murdock, McAleenan and Havern, and, with a decent defence also developing, a few more scores from O'Hagan, Kerr and Gilmore can take us to the next level. Laverty and his coaches have done an exceptional job so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 16, 2023, 09:09:09 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on January 15, 2023, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on January 15, 2023, 06:56:59 PM
Have the 2 Johnstons and OHare retired??
What O'Hare are you talking about? The Johnston's won't be involved there is animosity between their family and Laverty. We are better without them anyway terrible attitude.

Why?

The 3 should be on the panel if not the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 16, 2023, 09:44:30 AM
Anyone know why John O Hare hasn't been about the squad this 2/3 years

He's been a revelation this 3 games

That was a major problem under Tally and McCartan last year

Kane and Burns have a fight to regain the number 1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on January 16, 2023, 09:51:48 AM
I think he hung up the boots for a couple of years and only came back when Glen where struggling for numbers. That's what i heard anyway, it may be incorrect
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on January 16, 2023, 10:12:30 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 16, 2023, 09:44:30 AM
Anyone know why John O Hare hasn't been about the squad this 2/3 years

He's been a revelation this 3 games

That was a major problem under Tally and McCartan last year

Kane and Burns have a fight to regain the number 1

John O'Hare played in the McKenna cup games last year
Burns is not good enough imo
Keepers will be Kane, OHare, Smyth
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on January 16, 2023, 10:13:36 AM
Catching up with the highlights on BBC, seems like Doherty has carried on his diving traits from Kilcoo.. McKauige barely laid a glove on him yet Doherty went down like he was shot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 16, 2023, 10:30:52 AM
Great performance and great crowd, good to see the magpie faithful back in Newry but can they wear Down gear instead of Kilcoo gear please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on January 16, 2023, 10:49:46 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 16, 2023, 10:30:52 AM
Great performance and great crowd, good to see the magpie faithful back in Newry but can they wear Down gear instead of Kilcoo gear please.

Only when the dinosaurs at the top table of the county board disappear.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on January 16, 2023, 11:00:51 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on January 16, 2023, 10:13:36 AM
Catching up with the highlights on BBC, seems like Doherty has carried on his diving traits from Kilcoo.. McKauige barely laid a glove on him yet Doherty went down like he was shot.

Was right in front of me. Mckaigue was silly really . Made it easy to for the ref.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 16, 2023, 11:03:29 AM
The kilcoo faithful tht have added lots to the successful Down teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 16, 2023, 11:07:58 AM
Quote from: razor on January 16, 2023, 10:49:46 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 16, 2023, 10:30:52 AM
Great performance and great crowd, good to see the magpie faithful back in Newry but can they wear Down gear instead of Kilcoo gear please.

Only when the dinosaurs at the top table of the county board disappear.

That the ones your club helps pick?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 16, 2023, 11:17:08 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 16, 2023, 10:30:52 AM
Great performance and great crowd, good to see the magpie faithful back in Newry but can they wear Down gear instead of Kilcoo gear please.
Can you post details of the required match going uniform please.   :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on January 16, 2023, 07:41:00 PM
I see a proposal to include Burren & Carryduff 2nds in the ACFL has been released.
The wording of the conclusion certainly does not portray a neutral stance awaiting a vote.
Reading it would suggest a deal has already been done behind closed doors to include these teams.
If these parishes have grown so big that 1 club cannot accommodate the playing numbers then maybe its time to form a 2nd club within the parish with its own youth structure, committee, pitch, and facilities therefore giving them the right to compete with junior clubs and grow accordingly.
Junior clubs work hard to maintain stand alone facilities and provide Gaelic games in challenging circumstances with limited numbers. The last thing these clubs need is to have moral sapping defeats at the hands of clubs who are drawing players from all areas. There is a real risk of junior clubs failing to field ( as we have seen with Mitchels ) when players walk away following such defeats. Adult players will be lost to other sports with underage players having no footsteps to follow, with the potential for smaller clubs going the way of Ballykinlar and Killyleagh.
We should protect the weak and not allow these superpowers to steamroll our smaller clubs.
Conclusion: Down GAA will lose a lot more from the smaller clubs than the 20 plus players wanting to represent Burren & Carryduff who could quite easily go back to play for their home clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 16, 2023, 09:05:38 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on January 16, 2023, 07:41:00 PM
I see a proposal to include Burren & Carryduff 2nds in the ACFL has been released.
The wording of the conclusion certainly does not portray a neutral stance awaiting a vote.
Reading it would suggest a deal has already been done behind closed doors to include these teams.
If these parishes have grown so big that 1 club cannot accommodate the playing numbers then maybe its time to form a 2nd club within the parish with its own youth structure, committee, pitch, and facilities therefore giving them the right to compete with junior clubs and grow accordingly.
Junior clubs work hard to maintain stand alone facilities and provide Gaelic games in challenging circumstances with limited numbers. The last thing these clubs need is to have moral sapping defeats at the hands of clubs who are drawing players from all areas. There is a real risk of junior clubs failing to field ( as we have seen with Mitchels ) when players walk away following such defeats. Adult players will be lost to other sports with underage players having no footsteps to follow, with the potential for smaller clubs going the way of Ballykinlar and Killyleagh.
We should protect the weak and not allow these superpowers to steamroll our smaller clubs.
Conclusion: Down GAA will lose a lot more from the smaller clubs than the 20 plus players wanting to represent Burren & Carryduff who could quite easily go back to play for their home clubs.

Out of interest, how many of the players likely to feature for these reserve teams have home clubs to return to? Discarding those who may have moved to live in those areas and so joined the clubs, are there many who have joined but aren't living in those areas?
Sad to see clubs struggle and even fold, but participation levels seem to be lower in general, and of course rural to urban migration, or emigration, are surely the main drivers for this, and not the fact that a team suffers a few heavy defeats.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 16, 2023, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on January 16, 2023, 07:41:00 PM
I see a proposal to include Burren & Carryduff 2nds in the ACFL has been released.
The wording of the conclusion certainly does not portray a neutral stance awaiting a vote.
Reading it would suggest a deal has already been done behind closed doors to include these teams.
If these parishes have grown so big that 1 club cannot accommodate the playing numbers then maybe its time to form a 2nd club within the parish with its own youth structure, committee, pitch, and facilities therefore giving them the right to compete with junior clubs and grow accordingly.
Junior clubs work hard to maintain stand alone facilities and provide Gaelic games in challenging circumstances with limited numbers. The last thing these clubs need is to have moral sapping defeats at the hands of clubs who are drawing players from all areas. There is a real risk of junior clubs failing to field ( as we have seen with Mitchels ) when players walk away following such defeats. Adult players will be lost to other sports with underage players having no footsteps to follow, with the potential for smaller clubs going the way of Ballykinlar and Killyleagh.
We should protect the weak and not allow these superpowers to steamroll our smaller clubs.
Conclusion: Down GAA will lose a lot more from the smaller clubs than the 20 plus players wanting to represent Burren & Carryduff who could quite easily go back to play for their home clubs.

Whilst my heart agrees with you, my head says that if we try to rigidly hold onto what was before rather than embrace the future, then we will do the GAA more harm than good.

Clubs folded and formed throughout the 60s and 70s as reaction to population shifts and drive within  communities. Things aren't much different now except the cost of land and construction makes it borderline impossible to start from scratch in 2023. So if we want the game to grow (or at least stand still) my head tells me we are better off encouraging big clubs to expand than keeping moribund clubs around on life support. It's just evolution at play. The reality of facilities, finances and structures means that, for example, there's a stronger chance of chance of Newry Shamrocks having two ACFL sides in 2030, than the Newry Mitchels still being in existence. It's got to be a better outcome for the GAA in Newry to pursue the former. I don't want it that way. But it is what it is.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on January 16, 2023, 11:30:59 PM
Does anyone have the division 4 proposals ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2023, 09:02:55 AM
Quote from: Back2Winning on January 16, 2023, 07:41:00 PM
I see a proposal to include Burren & Carryduff 2nds in the ACFL has been released.
The wording of the conclusion certainly does not portray a neutral stance awaiting a vote.
Reading it would suggest a deal has already been done behind closed doors to include these teams.
If these parishes have grown so big that 1 club cannot accommodate the playing numbers then maybe its time to form a 2nd club within the parish with its own youth structure, committee, pitch, and facilities therefore giving them the right to compete with junior clubs and grow accordingly.
Junior clubs work hard to maintain stand alone facilities and provide Gaelic games in challenging circumstances with limited numbers. The last thing these clubs need is to have moral sapping defeats at the hands of clubs who are drawing players from all areas. There is a real risk of junior clubs failing to field ( as we have seen with Mitchels ) when players walk away following such defeats. Adult players will be lost to other sports with underage players having no footsteps to follow, with the potential for smaller clubs going the way of Ballykinlar and Killyleagh.
We should protect the weak and not allow these superpowers to steamroll our smaller clubs.
Conclusion: Down GAA will lose a lot more from the smaller clubs than the 20 plus players wanting to represent Burren & Carryduff who could quite easily go back to play for their home clubs.

Excellent points, once they get in they the following year the likes of Kilcoo, Mayobridge, Clonduff, Bryansford, Castlewellan, Ballyholland etc will follow and division 4 will be the premier reserve league.  To improve reserve football they should change u13 football to a Saturday evening and move premier reserve to Tuesday. Keep East Down and south Down on Sundays at 2pm.  If these bigger clubs kept to playing their own then they might not have as big numbers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 17, 2023, 09:16:05 AM
Truth I take it you've never played reserve football.

Nobody. And I mean nobody, wants to play reserve football at lunchtime on a Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 17, 2023, 09:25:38 AM
With the top 25 starred as such it is affectively Burren and Carryduff thirds teams playing in division 4

Both teams along with kilcoo would be seen as the strongest 3rds teams in Down

A big blow to senior teams to get beaten by 3rds teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 17, 2023, 09:34:33 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 16, 2023, 10:30:52 AM
Great performance and great crowd, good to see the magpie faithful back in Newry but can they wear Down gear instead of Kilcoo gear please.

You should stand at the gate in Thurles and if anyone doesn't arrive in a full Down GAA tracksuit turn them away.. but then again you probably wont even make that trip yourself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2023, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 17, 2023, 09:16:05 AM
Truth I take it you've never played reserve football.

Nobody. And I mean nobody, wants to play reserve football at lunchtime on a Sunday.

Yes I have played reserves and would rather play earlier on a Sunday than 6pm in the evening. At least you have some of your Sunday to spend with the family .


Another option would be to have reserves at 7pm on a Saturday and have Ladies senior on Sunday afternoons. Saturday evening at 7pm is a bad time for women's football.


Burren need to start a new senior club in the area or sanction players to Newry Mitchells. The hoovering up of players since the turn of the millennium is not having as good an effect as the oligarch's thought. Young lads who's family are engrained in the history and parish of Burren throughout the years are not getting a game of football and quitting football before 20.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2023, 09:42:32 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 17, 2023, 09:25:38 AM
With the top 25 starred as such it is affectively Burren and Carryduff thirds teams playing in division 4

Both teams along with kilcoo would be seen as the strongest 3rds teams in Down

A big blow to senior teams to get beaten by 3rds teams

You must not keep an eye on reserve football ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2023, 09:48:51 AM
Quote from: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 17, 2023, 09:34:33 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 16, 2023, 10:30:52 AM
Great performance and great crowd, good to see the magpie faithful back in Newry but can they wear Down gear instead of Kilcoo gear please.

You should stand at the gate in Thurles and if anyone doesn't arrive in a full Down GAA tracksuit turn them away.. but then again you probably wont even make that trip yourself.

Yes I will be at Thurles as I never miss Down matches and was one of the loyal followers last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 17, 2023, 09:52:28 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 17, 2023, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 17, 2023, 09:16:05 AM
Truth I take it you've never played reserve football.

Nobody. And I mean nobody, wants to play reserve football at lunchtime on a Sunday.

Yes I have played reserves and would rather play earlier on a Sunday than 6pm in the evening. At least you have some of your Sunday to spend with the family .


Another option would be to have reserves at 7pm on a Saturday and have Ladies senior on Sunday afternoons. Saturday evening at 7pm is a bad time for women's football.


Burren need to start a new senior club in the area or sanction players to Newry Mitchells. The hoovering up of players since the turn of the millennium is not having as good an effect as the oligarch's thought. Young lads who's family are engrained in the history and parish of Burren throughout the years are not getting a game of football and quitting football before 20.

No I'm calling you out here. You're suggesting that the ideal time in a week for reserve football is one that blocks out roughly 12-4pm on a Sunday. Which means you have to build your day around reserve football.

—-

There are a few sure fire  ways to ensure that Burren youngsters never play Gaelic Games as an adult, but short of cutting off their legs, sending them to line out for another club on a Friday night, is probably the most sure fire of all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 17, 2023, 10:01:38 AM
Good lord, there's some amount of whinging about reserve teams beating other clubs senior teams, playing on Sunday afternoons etc etc all which happens week in, week out in your same county with hurling and no one bats an eyelid.

Nothing better than an U15 game on the Sunday morning with the Seniors having a game that afternoon, (with a few pints after) and the whole parish up at the pitch.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2023, 10:09:31 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 17, 2023, 09:52:28 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 17, 2023, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 17, 2023, 09:16:05 AM
Truth I take it you've never played reserve football.

Nobody. And I mean nobody, wants to play reserve football at lunchtime on a Sunday.

Yes I have played reserves and would rather play earlier on a Sunday than 6pm in the evening. At least you have some of your Sunday to spend with the family .


Another option would be to have reserves at 7pm on a Saturday and have Ladies senior on Sunday afternoons. Saturday evening at 7pm is a bad time for women's football.


Burren need to start a new senior club in the area or sanction players to Newry Mitchells. The hoovering up of players since the turn of the millennium is not having as good an effect as the oligarch's thought. Young lads who's family are engrained in the history and parish of Burren throughout the years are not getting a game of football and quitting football before 20.

No I'm calling you out here. You're suggesting that the ideal time in a week for reserve football is one that blocks out roughly 12-4pm on a Sunday. Which means you have to build your day around reserve football.

—-

There are a few sure fire  ways to ensure that Burren youngsters never play Gaelic Games as an adult, but short of cutting off their legs, sending them to line out for another club on a Friday night, is probably the most sure fire of all.

I never said it was the best time but with calendars its better than Sunday evening. The ideal night is during the week but there is a lot going on midweek and would need a lot of jigging. Sat evenings is also a good time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 17, 2023, 10:34:56 AM
No I watch a lot of reserve football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2023, 10:47:20 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 17, 2023, 10:34:56 AM
No I watch a lot of reserve football

Ok well can you tell me what Carryduff thirds have won recently? They wouldn't be that strong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 17, 2023, 10:49:40 AM
Reserve football is on the wane. Just look at how many games didn't take place in 2022 due to non-fielding of teams in the All County Reserve Leagues. It was wild. It is essentially now opt-in/opt-out, happy go lucky, i'll see how I feel at 5pm on a Sunday evening sort of format these days. There's a serious apathy to it. I've been playing Reserve football for over 20 years and I've never seen such a 'take it or leave it' attitude to it as there is now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACHBUACHAILL71 on January 17, 2023, 10:50:29 AM
As much as the co board will try ensure it, there will be no integrity in the Div 4 competition with senior clubs second teams parachuted in. These seconds could have their strong u20s players and very skilled older players. they will have their premier reserves. this "seconds" team will not be those struggling to get football. these clubs will still enter both the premier reserves and reserves (in fact the co board have invited them to do so if they wish)
The clubs will not have the consistency of the division 4 clubs in that from week to week their strength of panel will vary and thus may beat a promotion contender then lose to a team not challenging for promotion.
Dont bring the problems of reserves leagues into another domain.
Its an unworkable solution to accommodate the establishment clubs at the detriment of the clubs not blessed with numbers.
You only have to see the issues at underage to see what will happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: qubdub on January 17, 2023, 11:10:46 AM
Never read so much bullshit in my life... Carryduff an establishment club!
It's like Carryduff and Burren are behind some conspiracy to clean up Division 4 & Junior championship, because that's where clubs of their calibre currently see their best chances of silverware... ::)
Believe me, they won't be playing all their best talent at this level, I'd hazard a guess they've taken stock of their playing numbers and decided that fielding at Division 4 is best way to provide meaningful football for their increasing numbers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2023, 11:24:56 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 17, 2023, 10:49:40 AM
Reserve football is on the wane. Just look at how many games didn't take place in 2022 due to non-fielding of teams in the All County Reserve Leagues. It was wild. It is essentially now opt-in/opt-out, happy go lucky, i'll see how I feel at 5pm on a Sunday evening sort of format these days. There's a serious apathy to it. I've been playing Reserve football for over 20 years and I've never seen such a 'take it or leave it' attitude to it as there is now.

A lot of this is due to the all county aspect , who wants to travel an hour for a reserve game. Keep reserve games local , North, South, East and West leagues or within the barony's and play off for the all county league title.

For St Pauls to travel to the Mournes it would take 1hour and 20 minutes. That's ludicrous to ask a reserve player who probably has a young family to leave Holywood just before 4pm to travel to Dunavil for a game and to not get home to around 9pm.

Get reserve football local.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on January 17, 2023, 01:05:47 PM
The majority of the games that didnt take place last season were in the Reserve 2 and 1 leagues.  IMO those leagues should have stayed East and South Down.  Possibly go all county for say an additional All-county league cup final.

The 2 Premier Reserve Leagues are highly competitive and Premier 1 is an excellent standard.  Most players at this level should be willing to travel All-County.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on January 17, 2023, 01:36:35 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 17, 2023, 09:48:51 AM
Quote from: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 17, 2023, 09:34:33 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 16, 2023, 10:30:52 AM
Great performance and great crowd, good to see the magpie faithful back in Newry but can they wear Down gear instead of Kilcoo gear please.

You should stand at the gate in Thurles and if anyone doesn't arrive in a full Down GAA tracksuit turn them away.. but then again you probably wont even make that trip yourself.

Yes I will be at Thurles as I never miss Down matches and was one of the loyal followers last year.

Hmm im not sure if watching via a livestream from the comfort of the living room counts!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2023, 01:52:35 PM
Mark Poland appointed as Cooley Kickhams coach
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 17, 2023, 02:34:31 PM
Mickey Harte and Brian Dooher co-joining to become new Kilcoo management.. be another big pay cheque there. Sounds like Mickey will take the reins and Dooher will be stepping in as a dual manager along with Tyrone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on January 17, 2023, 03:54:27 PM
Has Harte left Louth?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 17, 2023, 04:02:02 PM
Quote from: MATTSARACEN on January 17, 2023, 03:54:27 PM
Has Harte left Louth?

There is more chance than a Ross Carr and the Red Devlin partnership taking Kilcoo than Harte and Dooher , don't listen to such crap
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 17, 2023, 04:05:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 17, 2023, 04:02:02 PM
Quote from: MATTSARACEN on January 17, 2023, 03:54:27 PM
Has Harte left Louth?

There is more chance than a Ross Carr and the Red Devlin partnership taking Kilcoo than Harte and Dooher , don't listen to such crap

Don't you start be jealous of Kilcoo once again getting better management than your home club (Burren).. I am going off what I was told from a reliable enough source.. but sure yet again your never wrong are you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on January 17, 2023, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 17, 2023, 02:34:31 PM
Mickey Harte and Brian Dooher co-joining to become new Kilcoo management.. be another big pay cheque there. Sounds like Mickey will take the reins and Dooher will be stepping in as a dual manager along with Tyrone.

also heard this!! think it will be confirmed in the upcoming few days
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on January 17, 2023, 04:11:25 PM
also good to see truth hurts showing his green and white pride lol.. or true colours ..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 2badteams on January 17, 2023, 04:20:03 PM
Quote from: MATTSARACEN on January 17, 2023, 03:54:27 PM
Has Harte left Louth?

Clear eyes Full Hartes Matt!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on January 17, 2023, 04:22:47 PM
Eric Taylor be dropping the cv into the point soon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Silver hill on January 18, 2023, 08:07:00 AM
Quote from: DanTheMan12 on January 17, 2023, 04:06:47 PM
Quote from: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 17, 2023, 02:34:31 PM
Mickey Harte and Brian Dooher co-joining to become new Kilcoo management.. be another big pay cheque there. Sounds like Mickey will take the reins and Dooher will be stepping in as a dual manager along with Tyrone.

also heard this!! think it will be confirmed in the upcoming few days

.....unless Kilcoo are going to hire out a helicopter!
Don't think you have thought this through logically. It's a 180 mile round trip from Doohers house to kilcoo pitch. There's zero chance of him taking that job. He's not a mercenary, has a great job as a vet with Dept of Agriculture, Will have no interest in this.
It's truly unbelievable the amount of shite that is spouted on these sites sometimes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: EIREANNACHBUACHAILL71 on January 18, 2023, 08:12:45 AM
Quote from: qubdub on January 17, 2023, 11:10:46 AM
Never read so much bullshit in my life... Carryduff an establishment club!
It's like Carryduff and Burren are behind some conspiracy to clean up Division 4 & Junior championship, because that's where clubs of their calibre currently see their best chances of silverware... ::)
Believe me, they won't be playing all their best talent at this level, I'd hazard a guess they've taken stock of their playing numbers and decided that fielding at Division 4 is best way to provide meaningful football for their increasing numbers.

There's the bullshit your reading in you own post, neither can enter JFC. its a case of trying to cater for two senior clubs ahead of the best interests of the division 4 clubs. no thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 18, 2023, 12:43:20 PM
Banty and Jason Sherlock are the new duo mentioned, I couldn't see that either. Its getting to a time of year where they have have to coax a manager away from a job. There is not many available top level managers and coaches unattached.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on January 18, 2023, 01:06:41 PM
Just spotted Frank Dawson in Zebedees with a couple of very influential Kilcoo members.
Chicken supreme for FD. Chicken burgers for the others.

Steven Poacher waiting outside. Poor fella looked frozen!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 18, 2023, 03:03:41 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on January 18, 2023, 01:06:41 PM
Just spotted Frank Dawson in Zebedees with a couple of very influential Kilcoo members.
Chicken supreme for FD. Chicken burgers for the others.

Steven Poacher waiting outside. Poor fella looked frozen!

:D witty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on January 18, 2023, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on January 18, 2023, 01:06:41 PM
Just spotted Frank Dawson in Zebedees with a couple of very influential Kilcoo members.
Chicken supreme for FD. Chicken burgers for the others.

Steven Poacher waiting outside. Poor fella looked frozen!

I must say if this is indeed the truth, fair play to Dawson. Great order. Zebedees Chicken Supremes are top tier, put some respect on his name
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 18, 2023, 03:44:50 PM


There's the bullshit your reading in you own post, neither can enter JFC. its a case of trying to cater for two senior clubs ahead of the best interests of the division 4 clubs. no thanks
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What's the best interests of division 4 clubs/small clubs? The way I see it - every club needs approximately 3-4 players coming through each year to support/challenge the senior group already there. Look at the all conquering Kilcoo side of the last dozen years - 2-3 players are blooded each year and possibly 1-2 used in championship on a regular basis.
Clubs in division 4 may not have 4 players coming through every year but certainly every two years they do. Mitchell's used to join up with Attical at underage (as shamrocks kept taking their players when they joined with them!!) - they always had 2-3 players each year playing regularly for the amalgamation so what happens to those players after minor? Why is their club not integrating them into a senior panel where you have a couple of players who can't commit due to travel or injuries etc go out one door and fresh players come in through the other door.

In other news - is it true the Finn are now losing more players up the hill to Castlewellan?? Why is no one talking about this - where a big club is poaching players from a very small club??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 18, 2023, 04:32:41 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 18, 2023, 03:44:50 PM


There's the bullshit your reading in you own post, neither can enter JFC. its a case of trying to cater for two senior clubs ahead of the best interests of the division 4 clubs. no thanks

What's the best interests of division 4 clubs/small clubs? The way I see it - every club needs approximately 3-4 players coming through each year to support/challenge the senior group already there. Look at the all conquering Kilcoo side of the last dozen years - 2-3 players are blooded each year and possibly 1-2 used in championship on a regular basis.
Clubs in division 4 may not have 4 players coming through every year but certainly every two years they do. Mitchell's used to join up with Attical at underage (as shamrocks kept taking their players when they joined with them!!) - they always had 2-3 players each year playing regularly for the amalgamation so what happens to those players after minor? Why is their club not integrating them into a senior panel where you have a couple of players who can't commit due to travel or injuries etc go out one door and fresh players come in through the other door.

In other news - is it true the Finn are now losing more players up the hill to Castlewellan?? Why is no one talking about this - where a big club is poaching players from a very small club??
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Keep in mind that the clubs with only a handful of juvenile players playing within an amalgamation, may lose these players when they reach adult level due to studying or work commitments too. And with the way the rules are now regarding the age restrictions, smaller clubs don't get the chance to really integrate young players before these players make decisions on studying or work. Long gone are the days of getting players in at 16, who were fully integrated senior players by the time they were 18! Maybe that's for good reason, but it has had some impact in the last number of years.

Regarding the Finn, weren't they happy to take players from other clubs, including Castlewellan, for a long time? Swings and roundabouts maybe. Hopefully they have the numbers to stick it out as they have done well in recent years, last thing we want to see is another club struggling to field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on January 18, 2023, 05:04:21 PM
Heard the all county leagues start 14th April, with championships End of August and into September. Think only the one break in July but thankfully only one Monday fixture. That may help the reserves leagues than previous seasons ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on January 18, 2023, 05:26:33 PM
Big appointment in Kilcoo. Huge job too with men going to Australia and the states. Rory Gallagher was first choice and they went to his door. He turned them down. All is not well in kilcoo!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 18, 2023, 08:01:04 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on January 18, 2023, 05:26:33 PM
Big appointment in Kilcoo. Huge job too with men going to Australia and the states. Rory Gallagher was first choice and they went to his door. He turned them down. All is not well in kilcoo!

Who's going away?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 18, 2023, 09:50:42 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on January 18, 2023, 05:26:33 PM
Big appointment in Kilcoo. Huge job too with men going to Australia and the states. Rory Gallagher was first choice and they went to his door. He turned them down. All is not well in kilcoo!

Did he attempt to negotiate a larger fee?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on January 19, 2023, 08:38:13 AM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on January 18, 2023, 05:26:33 PM
Big appointment in Kilcoo. Huge job too with men going to Australia and the states. Rory Gallagher was first choice and they went to his door. He turned them down. All is not well in kilcoo!

Who is it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 19, 2023, 08:54:41 AM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on January 18, 2023, 05:26:33 PM
Big appointment in Kilcoo. Huge job too with men going to Australia and the states. Rory Gallagher was first choice and they went to his door. He turned them down. All is not well in kilcoo!

?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 19, 2023, 12:32:57 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 19, 2023, 08:54:41 AM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on January 18, 2023, 05:26:33 PM
Big appointment in Kilcoo. Huge job too with men going to Australia and the states. Rory Gallagher was first choice and they went to his door. He turned them down. All is not well in kilcoo!

?

Not like a normal reply of yours.. normally a smartarse comment or just disagreeing with anything.. good to see your trying to change in 2023!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 19, 2023, 12:48:54 PM
Quote from: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 19, 2023, 12:32:57 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 19, 2023, 08:54:41 AM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on January 18, 2023, 05:26:33 PM
Big appointment in Kilcoo. Huge job too with men going to Australia and the states. Rory Gallagher was first choice and they went to his door. He turned them down. All is not well in kilcoo!

?

Not like a normal reply of yours.. normally a smartarse comment or just disagreeing with anything.. good to see your trying to change in 2023!!

After your comment about the 2 Nialls, I cannot take you seriously.

And has the Harte/Dooher ticket been announced on KilcooTV yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 19, 2023, 01:34:11 PM
No government funding secured for the Ballykinkar centre of excellence

Where to now for Down GAA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 19, 2023, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 19, 2023, 12:48:54 PM
Quote from: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 19, 2023, 12:32:57 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 19, 2023, 08:54:41 AM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on January 18, 2023, 05:26:33 PM
Big appointment in Kilcoo. Huge job too with men going to Australia and the states. Rory Gallagher was first choice and they went to his door. He turned them down. All is not well in kilcoo!

?

Not like a normal reply of yours.. normally a smartarse comment or just disagreeing with anything.. good to see your trying to change in 2023!!

After your comment about the 2 Nialls, I cannot take you seriously.

And has the Harte/Dooher ticket been announced on KilcooTV yet?

I couldn't tell you mate.. I don't revolve my life around what's going on in Kilcoo. All I done was let people know what I heard.. Sure your replying back and forward all day there, could you not switch "KilcooTV" on yourself.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on January 19, 2023, 02:39:08 PM
was notified from a reliable source a large confrontation occurred at the clonduff players meeting last week... some boys not happy with the management status.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 19, 2023, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 19, 2023, 01:34:11 PM
No government funding secured for the Ballykinkar centre of excellence

Where to now for Down GAA

Were they hoping for some of that levelling up fund which went to rugby clubs to build female changing rooms?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on January 20, 2023, 10:11:09 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 19, 2023, 08:54:41 AM
Quote from: KeyboardWarrior645 on January 18, 2023, 05:26:33 PM
Big appointment in Kilcoo. Huge job too with men going to Australia and the states. Rory Gallagher was first choice and they went to his door. He turned them down. All is not well in kilcoo!

?

Elementary my dear Banty, i mean Watson  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 20, 2023, 10:18:28 AM
Quote from: DanTheMan12 on January 19, 2023, 02:39:08 PM
was notified from a reliable source a large confrontation occurred at the clonduff players meeting last week... some boys not happy with the management status.

Why would they not be? He took Magherafelt to a championship in Derry. Clonduff players would find a fault if Mick O'Dwyer and Mickey Harte were their managers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on January 20, 2023, 03:01:33 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 20, 2023, 10:18:28 AM
Quote from: DanTheMan12 on January 19, 2023, 02:39:08 PM
was notified from a reliable source a large confrontation occurred at the clonduff players meeting last week... some boys not happy with the management status.

Why would they not be? He took Magherafelt to a championship in Derry. Clonduff players would find a fault if Mick O'Dwyer and Mickey Harte were their managers.

still cant think of a reason for it, completely agree.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 20, 2023, 05:29:47 PM
Quote from: DanTheMan12 on January 20, 2023, 03:01:33 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 20, 2023, 10:18:28 AM
Quote from: DanTheMan12 on January 19, 2023, 02:39:08 PM
was notified from a reliable source a large confrontation occurred at the clonduff players meeting last week... some boys not happy with the management status.

Why would they not be? He took Magherafelt to a championship in Derry. Clonduff players would find a fault if Mick O'Dwyer and Mickey Harte were their managers.

still cant think of a reason for it, completely agree.

If this is true - is it not typical Clonduff?? They had a "good" season two years ago and that covers them for two decades..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWarrior645 on January 21, 2023, 12:04:20 PM
Kilcoo delaying announcement for Monday evening to take away from All-Ireland winners. Brilliant winning mentality they have. Always number 1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on January 21, 2023, 02:37:20 PM
?? :-\
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on January 22, 2023, 01:52:14 AM
What is going on in this proud county of ours? Ronan McCartan & Frank Dawson added to our U20 set-up and no club consulted. The McCartan appointment is most bemusing considering Laverty did everything in his power to get rid of the poor fella last year. Devenney and McAteer seem to have fallen under the same magic spell as the panel of 50 players we still carry. It will not be long before our good clubs start asking hard questions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on January 22, 2023, 03:52:07 PM
I must agree, it's up to Conor who chooses to help. As for having 50 players, what's the problem. Sometimes the best individual players don't always make the best team, maybe we're still figuring out all those permutations
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on January 22, 2023, 04:14:37 PM
Maybe this discussion board should prevent late night posting... some folks might be under the influence and the crap spews out...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 23, 2023, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on January 22, 2023, 04:14:37 PM
Maybe this discussion board should prevent late night posting... some folks might be under the influence and the crap spews out...

Truth hurts seems to be under the influence 100% of the time with the amount of crap he spews out!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 23, 2023, 04:02:49 PM
Quote from: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 23, 2023, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on January 22, 2023, 04:14:37 PM
Maybe this discussion board should prevent late night posting... some folks might be under the influence and the crap spews out...

Truth hurts seems to be under the influence 100% of the time with the amount of crap he spews out!!

The 2 men that should not be there are the 2 Nialls.. IMO these men are not with Down for their skills at football..

You will never live that statement down, now please don't mention my username again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on January 23, 2023, 09:54:16 PM
Is the Tipp v Down game on any TV platform on sat night? Can't travel due to work commitments.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 23, 2023, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: urbangael on January 23, 2023, 09:54:16 PM
Is the Tipp v Down game on any TV platform on sat night? Can't travel due to work commitments.
Possibly gaago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on January 23, 2023, 11:03:47 PM
Won't be on any gaa platforms.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on January 24, 2023, 01:34:07 PM
match tickets going fast https://picshost.pics/DNGYT2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 24, 2023, 03:49:45 PM
Quote from: DanTheMan12 on January 24, 2023, 01:34:07 PM
match tickets going fast https://picshost.pics/DNGYT2

Any thoughts on what Glen should do? IMO they should be sending the appeal in asap.. GAA hasn't a leg to stand on with the additional player on the goal mouth. Still think the best team won on the day but its a shame it is being darkened with a silly mistake.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on January 24, 2023, 04:25:01 PM
Has the down panel been cut for the national league? Be interesting to see the line up and panel this weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 24, 2023, 04:51:18 PM
Excellent to see St Marks back winning again, the new young staff have started to push the school forward on the GAA pitch after years over neglect. WE need this in the Downpatrick schools ASAP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on January 24, 2023, 07:32:44 PM
It's a mess. Such a shame that it's been put on Glen. If that was my club I'd like to say I'd be gracious in defeat and accept the end result - But as a player I wouldn't be able to stop thinking about 'what if' that player wasn't on the goal line.

The governance should step up and be leaders of the association.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on January 24, 2023, 08:01:46 PM
I do believe Glenn will appeal this decision; we will find out the outcome come tomorrow evening.

however, The well funded dubs will win again IMO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 24, 2023, 09:47:07 PM
Couple of games in the league are on BBC iPlayer.

Fermanagh vs Down Sunday 19th Feb at 1pm

Cavan vs Down Sunday 5th March at 2pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 25, 2023, 12:47:52 PM
It is over a month since Kilcoo management stepped down, they are slow in getting a successor?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 25, 2023, 02:18:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 25, 2023, 12:47:52 PM
It is over a month since Kilcoo management stepped down, they are slow in getting a successor?

Its beyond silly from Kilcoo now, they must be trying to reach too high. IMO if they come back this year with the right attitude they will for sure be a strong force to deal with in Down/Ulster even with the players moving down under. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on January 25, 2023, 03:20:55 PM
Quote from: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 25, 2023, 02:18:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 25, 2023, 12:47:52 PM
It is over a month since Kilcoo management stepped down, they are slow in getting a successor?

Its beyond silly from Kilcoo now, they must be trying to reach too high. IMO if they come back this year with the right attitude they will for sure be a strong force to deal with in Down/Ulster even with the players moving down under.

its a strange one. Does anyone know if kilcoo have commenced training yet?? im sure they would get on just fine training under some of the veterans of the team. as for management, its a weird one, im sure there is alot going on behind closed doors
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on January 25, 2023, 03:29:40 PM
Quote from: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 25, 2023, 02:18:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 25, 2023, 12:47:52 PM
It is over a month since Kilcoo management stepped down, they are slow in getting a successor?

Its beyond silly from Kilcoo now, they must be trying to reach too high. IMO if they come back this year with the right attitude they will for sure be a strong force to deal with in Down/Ulster even with the players moving down under.

How many are for Oz? I heard one name but didn't know there was more than that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 25, 2023, 03:31:49 PM
Quote from: DanTheMan12 on January 25, 2023, 03:20:55 PM
Quote from: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 25, 2023, 02:18:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 25, 2023, 12:47:52 PM
It is over a month since Kilcoo management stepped down, they are slow in getting a successor?

Its beyond silly from Kilcoo now, they must be trying to reach too high. IMO if they come back this year with the right attitude they will for sure be a strong force to deal with in Down/Ulster even with the players moving down under.

its a strange one. Does anyone know if kilcoo have commenced training yet?? im sure they would get on just fine training under some of the veterans of the team. as for management, its a weird one, im sure there is alot going on behind closed doors

Heard there was lights on at the pitch in Kilcoo last night, but didn't hear whether it was for training or what. I agree with you saying some of the older members could step up and take a few pre season sessions while they wait on their future management. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 25, 2023, 03:46:22 PM
Quote from: toby47 on January 25, 2023, 03:29:40 PM
Quote from: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 25, 2023, 02:18:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 25, 2023, 12:47:52 PM
It is over a month since Kilcoo management stepped down, they are slow in getting a successor?

Its beyond silly from Kilcoo now, they must be trying to reach too high. IMO if they come back this year with the right attitude they will for sure be a strong force to deal with in Down/Ulster even with the players moving down under.

How many are for Oz? I heard one name but didn't know there was more than that.

Seemingly there's a 3/4 going all would've been frequent players on this years championship panel
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on January 25, 2023, 06:35:01 PM
I think we can be sure that Kilcoo's All Ireland winning squad can manage to put together sufficient training sessions in the mean time before management is appointed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 25, 2023, 07:25:53 PM
Where do I get the tickets for Sat nights game in semple?. None on ticket master.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 25, 2023, 07:30:25 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 25, 2023, 07:25:53 PM
Where do I get the tickets for Sat nights game in semple?. None on ticket master.
gaa.ie/tickets
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 25, 2023, 07:32:10 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 25, 2023, 07:30:25 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on January 25, 2023, 07:25:53 PM
Where do I get the tickets for Sat nights game in semple?. None on ticket master.
gaa.ie/tickets
Cheers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 25, 2023, 08:48:11 PM
I think you are based in Dublin Snoopdog, you can buy tickets in selected supervalus.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 25, 2023, 11:09:12 PM
Quote from: ardtole on January 25, 2023, 08:48:11 PM
I think you are based in Dublin Snoopdog, you can buy tickets in selected supervalus.
I am cheers. I was taking the lazy online option.   :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 26, 2023, 04:28:30 PM
Excited for Saturday will be a good starting point for the year. Away to Thurles wont be a easy ask for a improving Down team. They seem to have been training hard through the winter and hopefully it shows throughout the season. I know I have my ticket bought how about yourself Truth Hurts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DanTheMan12 on January 26, 2023, 05:11:03 PM
Quote from: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 26, 2023, 04:28:30 PM
Excited for Saturday will be a good starting point for the year. Away to Thurles wont be a easy ask for a improving Down team. They seem to have been training hard through the winter and hopefully it shows throughout the season. I know I have my ticket bought how about yourself Truth Hurts?

fair play to use lads making that trip, ill get her on the TV myself,   i think truth hurts has family down that end, so he will be happy enough (Burren probably tried to claim them)!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on January 26, 2023, 08:56:27 PM
What channel is showing the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on January 26, 2023, 09:25:38 PM
Hope admin took that down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 26, 2023, 09:36:33 PM
Quote from: maldini on January 26, 2023, 08:56:27 PM
What channel is showing the game?
don't think the match is being shown live anywhere
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 27, 2023, 12:39:52 PM
Fair play to the smaller clubs sticking together and ensuring the big clubs do not take over.  The county board have a good ten months to devise a plan that it fair to the lower league clubs. This proposal was fired in without consultation. Reps from the clubs who have big enough panels and who want to play in division 4 need to sit down with lower league clubs and explain their case and then a proper framework could be put forward. It could help improve Down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 27, 2023, 06:35:00 PM
Team for Tipp;
O'Hare
Magill
Laverty
McEvoy
Francis
McParland
Rooney
Donnelly
Murdock
Miller
McAleenan
Kerr
Brown
Havern
OHagan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 27, 2023, 07:42:05 PM
Suprised Miller and brown got the start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 27, 2023, 08:12:16 PM
Quote from: ardtole on January 27, 2023, 07:42:05 PM
Suprised Miller and brown got the start.
hopefully Eamonn Brown does start and there's no late changes, I think he's one with loads of potential.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on January 27, 2023, 09:04:49 PM
There will 100% be changes to that team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 27, 2023, 11:08:02 PM
There will be changes to that team I'd say. 2 points a necessity to build on good work already done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on January 28, 2023, 06:17:18 PM
No twitter feed from Down GAA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 28, 2023, 06:19:24 PM
5 - 1 up after 18 mins. Very impressive start
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 28, 2023, 06:26:19 PM
9-1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 28, 2023, 06:41:42 PM
Half time Tipp 0-2 Down 1-6

Pat Havern 1-3 Eamonn Brown 0-2 Odhran Murdock 0-1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on January 28, 2023, 07:14:24 PM
Niall McParland is off after a second yellow. Twenty minutes left and we are four up so it could yet be a tight finish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 28, 2023, 07:41:47 PM
Full time Tipp 1-11 Down 2-11

Good to get off to winning start. Made it harder when Niall mcparland got sent off at start of second half. Connor Francis got second half goal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on January 28, 2023, 09:15:34 PM
did the team that was named start?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on January 28, 2023, 09:19:42 PM
Quote from: skat man on January 28, 2023, 09:15:34 PM
did the team that was named start?
gerdie collins came in for shay miller
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on January 28, 2023, 09:45:46 PM
Great win. Closer than what I thought though
Jim McG now in with Down. After the merry dance he give them last year I'm surprised.
Doesn't say much for the selection team that tried to get him last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 28, 2023, 10:28:31 PM
Great win. Couldve went against us after the sending off. Tipp went at us after that. Down still very much work in progress but none if thr old sideways bullshit. Get it forward at pace. Great to watch but can be wasteful at times. 1st time in Thurles for a game. Lovely old ground. Roll on next Sat night in Newry. A big Down crowd tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 28, 2023, 11:30:41 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on January 28, 2023, 09:45:46 PM
Great win. Closer than what I thought though
Jim McG now in with Down. After the merry dance he give them last year I'm surprised.
Doesn't say much for the selection team that tried to get him last year.

Is this true about McGuinness?? We were poor in patches tonight and left 1 of 2 players up the pitch in what was a defensive performance. We break at pace and get Kerr etc on the ball when coming out of defence so their natural pace takes us up the pitch quicker. Big Pat was really good early on and then starved of possession. Gilmore was very good on his introduction and should start next week.
Thought the ref was poor - very very inconsistent..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on January 28, 2023, 11:37:42 PM
Just home. 7 up at half time and 7 up with 10 to go yet it ended much closer than it should have. A deserved win having played more than half the game with 14 men.

The intensity of Down's play out of possession very impressive.. Tipp simply couldn't live with them in first quarter.

Donagh McAleenan, Pat Havern, Ryan McEvoy, Conor Francis and Odhran Murdock impressed.

The Havern goal was an outstanding team move, a couple of quick kick passes on the counter involving all 3 of the starting full forward line.
Would be surprised if a better goal was scored anywhere else this weekend.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on January 29, 2023, 09:59:17 AM
Was a great game. Think Milllar rolled ankle in warm up so it would have been the starting team as programmed but for that. Work in progress surely but that's 3 wins and a draw now for Laverty's men and we can get goals again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on January 29, 2023, 08:09:25 PM
Is the rumour about McGuinness true? Or was there a man on the twittersphere on the gargle? Outrageous thing to say if not true so that would lead me to believe McGuinness is in. Some appointment. Was he ratified by county board during the week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on January 29, 2023, 09:52:04 PM
Quote from: upandwin on January 29, 2023, 08:09:25 PM
Is the rumour about McGuinness true? Or was there a man on the twittersphere on the gargle? Outrageous thing to say if not true so that would lead me to believe McGuinness is in. Some appointment. Was he ratified by county board during the week?

Wouldn't need to be ratified.
C L can add to his management panel as sees fit. Obviously certain individuals would have to agree to cover the costs but that wouldn't be up for discussion by club delegates.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on January 29, 2023, 10:29:28 PM
That was a great win today. No easy place to go to and down to 14 men too. Laverty has turned last years sh*t show into something genuinely promising.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on January 30, 2023, 07:28:46 AM
Good start for Down. The group have done the work this year to date and it's a good job as there is some tough games coming up. Interesting on the rumour of jim mc Guinness involvement and how it has been announced to the public. Sp getting a lot publicity from this...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 30, 2023, 07:35:18 AM
Laverty confirmed in today's Irish news that Mcguiness took a training session but is not part of the backroom team.

Sounds like Poacher jumped the gun a bit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 30, 2023, 08:39:24 AM
I understand McGuiness will be in every few weeks. Not full time though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 30, 2023, 08:52:31 AM
On the match itself, we were excellent in the first half with big Pat is unreal form. The sending off hampered us but we weathered the storm and we move onto this weekend where I expect a massive turnout in Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 30, 2023, 10:37:08 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 30, 2023, 08:52:31 AM
On the match itself, we were excellent in the first half with big Pat is unreal form. The sending off hampered us but we weathered the storm and we move onto this weekend where I expect a massive turnout in Newry.
Was there only 1,013. At thurles on sat. Seemed bigger. I know U16s don't pay  but are thry counted through turnstiles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 30, 2023, 10:39:11 AM
I was suprised when I read that myself snoopdog, thought around double that were at the game. Good crowd from Down as well considering the distance involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 30, 2023, 10:41:30 AM
Quote from: ardtole on January 30, 2023, 10:39:11 AM
I was suprised when I read that myself snoopdog, thought around double that were at the game. Good crowd from Down as well considering the distance involved.

Was a lot more Down fans there which was great to see
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on January 30, 2023, 05:23:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 30, 2023, 08:39:24 AM
I understand McGuiness will be in every few weeks. Not full time though.

Not the case. Did one session and hope to get him back for some more. Not a every few weeks occurrence according to Irish news today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on January 30, 2023, 05:26:51 PM
How did the div 4 league pan out ? Are Burren and Carryduff still entering ? What option was used in the end ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on January 30, 2023, 05:30:10 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 30, 2023, 08:52:31 AM
On the match itself, we were excellent in the first half with big Pat is unreal form. The sending off hampered us but we weathered the storm and we move onto this weekend where I expect a massive turnout in Newry.

Have you the match day squad list ? Only saw the starting 15 on Down social media
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on January 31, 2023, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 30, 2023, 08:39:24 AM
I understand McGuiness will be in every few weeks. Not full time though.
A few questions, whether he's in once or as off the ball reported in a consultant role, why have JMcG there at all? He made us the laughing stock of Ireland last year and now we are running back to him? Maybe our new manager being so young and inexperienced doesn't fully trust himself or his over paid backroom team? Which is it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on January 31, 2023, 12:23:29 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on January 31, 2023, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 30, 2023, 08:39:24 AM
I understand McGuiness will be in every few weeks. Not full time though.
A few questions, whether he's in once or as off the ball reported in a consultant role, why have JMcG there at all? He made us the laughing stock of Ireland last year and now we are running back to him? Maybe our new manager being so young and inexperienced doesn't fully trust himself or his over paid backroom team? Which is it?
Would you catch a grip of whatever is close to you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 31, 2023, 12:34:21 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on January 31, 2023, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 30, 2023, 08:39:24 AM
I understand McGuiness will be in every few weeks. Not full time though.
A few questions, whether he's in once or as off the ball reported in a consultant role, why have JMcG there at all? He made us the laughing stock of Ireland last year and now we are running back to him? Maybe our new manager being so young and inexperienced doesn't fully trust himself or his over paid backroom team? Which is it?

McGuinness is a good friend of the Darragh Cross paymaster so I'm told he is sorting the bill. He is only going to be in every so often.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 31, 2023, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on January 31, 2023, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 30, 2023, 08:39:24 AM
I understand McGuiness will be in every few weeks. Not full time though.
A few questions, whether he's in once or as off the ball reported in a consultant role, why have JMcG there at all? He made us the laughing stock of Ireland last year and now we are running back to him? Maybe our new manager being so young and inexperienced doesn't fully trust himself or his over paid backroom team? Which is it?

Bit early in the week to be under the influence of alcohol and mouthing about something completely wrong.. Our new "young inexperienced manager" has one of the best footballing heads there is.. as for experience there's not many more you could've called for the job that would be doing the same job he has done with this team.

You are probably upset your neighbour wee James McCartan didn't get back in this year just.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on January 31, 2023, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 31, 2023, 12:34:21 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on January 31, 2023, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 30, 2023, 08:39:24 AM

McGuinness is a good friend of the Darragh Cross paymaster so I'm told he is sorting the bill. He is only going to be in every so often.

How's the Burren payments going this year? I heard you cancelled them because Laverty got the job.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on January 31, 2023, 12:46:02 PM
Good to see McGuinness involved. He seems to be the sort that he doesn't want it broadcasted but that is not going to happen in this county.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 31, 2023, 01:48:46 PM
A Kilcoo stalwart was seething about the mole in the camp and hopes it doesn't ruin the arrangement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on January 31, 2023, 01:54:47 PM
Gossip girl wouldn't have a look in here. If theres not much happening its ok to say nothing until theres something meaningful to discuss.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 31, 2023, 02:06:03 PM
Tyrone gaa are meeting to change age grades. Is this happening in Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 31, 2023, 03:33:40 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 31, 2023, 02:06:03 PM
Tyrone gaa are meeting to change age grades. Is this happening in Down?

For 2024?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 31, 2023, 03:38:29 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 31, 2023, 03:33:40 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 31, 2023, 02:06:03 PM
Tyrone gaa are meeting to change age grades. Is this happening in Down?

For 2024?

I am not sure tbh,

The Tyrone CCC will have a meeting with clubs next Tuesday to determine whether the county will stick with the age groups of U13, U15, U17 and U19 or move to U14, U16, U18 and U20. Vote will be taken solely by the clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on February 01, 2023, 10:05:53 AM
Sure why don't you tell us how you really feel  :o :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 01, 2023, 08:26:39 PM
Anyone watching the sigerson match between st marys and ucc. Looks like down playing kildare on the other pitch. not sure if seniors or u20s
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on February 01, 2023, 08:47:41 PM
U20s are playing kildare in challenge tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 03, 2023, 08:43:49 AM
A good East Down source told me that its looking like Jerome Johnstone along with Aidan Brannigan to manage Kilcoo. Conor Laverty will head proceedings when the county season finishes. The timings of the Gilligan and Thornton exit meant that candidates are thin on the ground .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Granto on February 03, 2023, 02:41:38 PM
White smoke from the Whin Fires then  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 03, 2023, 06:22:58 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 03, 2023, 08:43:49 AM
A good East Down source told me that its looking like Jerome Johnstone along with Aidan Brannigan to manage Kilcoo. Conor Laverty will head proceedings when the county season finishes. The timings of the Gilligan and Thornton exit meant that candidates are thin on the ground .

I believe very little of what you say but what is obvious is that Kilcoo cannot attract a big enough name to fit their egos. If there is any truth about Jerome Johnston, even though having soundly rejected him weeks ago they may now proclaim he is the man they wanted all along. Jerome as a caretaker boss, catch yourself on that will just never happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 03, 2023, 08:44:01 PM
Is it to early to suggest that Conor has a settled defence and midfield in mind already, while Kerr, McAleeenan, Doherty, Havern (and possibly O'Hagan) are pretty much locked in for the forward line?

Amazing turnaround in just 4 months if this is the case.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on February 03, 2023, 08:58:57 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 03, 2023, 08:44:01 PM
Is it to early to suggest that Conor has a settled defence and midfield in mind already, while Kerr, McAleeenan, Doherty, Havern (and possibly O'Hagan) are pretty much locked in for the forward line?

Amazing turnaround in just 4 months if this is the case.

Fully behind the Down Set Up but lets not get carried away. Anyone with a little sense and organisation would have improved the set up from last year which is welcomed but wouldn't be calling anything amazing in the month of February. Of course time will tell and good luck to the whole set up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 03, 2023, 09:04:48 PM
Come the Donegal game, I think O'Hagan, Kerr, Havern  McAleenan and Gilmore could be 5 of the 6 forwards. With McPartland playing the sweeper role a more defensive minded player could possibly claim the other half forward spot.

I'm not sure if Doherty and McAleenan can both be accommodated in the same forward line despite both being named to start tomorrow.

Gilmore looks like he has a goal in him whenever he plays,, very promising player. At half back in particular we seem to have great strength in depth.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 03, 2023, 09:35:02 PM
Interesting selection for tomorrow nights game. No doubt there will be changes to the starting lineup as always but as mentioned above - a few names seem to be certain for positions now. Massive improvement in 12 months which is great to see - another two point's tomorrow night and we are nicely set going into the week off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 03, 2023, 09:38:57 PM
There was only 1 change to the team that was named to start v Tipp. I think Shay Millar picked an injury up in the warm up and Gerdy Collins replaced him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Last Caress on February 04, 2023, 09:49:24 AM
Is there any live streaming of the game this evening?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 04, 2023, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: Last Caress on February 04, 2023, 09:49:24 AM
Is there any live streaming of the game this evening?
no, gaago have rights to national League, they don't tend to cover division 3 or 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 04, 2023, 03:23:42 PM
Any radio stations covering the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 04, 2023, 10:15:56 PM
The most dramatic finish seen at Newry for a long time cannot disguise the fact that, as we probably already knew, we are very much a work in process. Antrim were big and strong and clearly the better side until they effectively collapsed in the closing stages, and we actually missed an open goal as well as the 1-3 we scored in consecutive attacks. Both of Antrim's first half goals were defensive howlers but they had every opportunity to close the game out. They didn't manage it due to heroics from McEvoy and Murdoch when all seemed lost. Gilmore was also decent with Kerr and Havern good in patches. Laverty remains unbeaten in normal time during his five matches but he knows we will have to knuckle down during the two week break if we are to keep the run going in Fermanagh. D3 is likely to go to the wire.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 04, 2023, 10:16:57 PM
Scoring 2.18 and winning a game while not really playing well is always a decent day but letting Antrim score 2.17 is obviously concerning. I thought Antrim dominated the physical side of the game. The change is keeper didn't help Down. Too many lads below par and to be honest if it wasn't for the 2 Burren lads (Kerr and Murdock) we'd have went home empty handed. Great attitude to keep going and big Havern only came to life in the last 5 mins. Top of the league and lots still to work on. Take it and move on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on February 04, 2023, 10:28:17 PM
Changes in the defence backfired . a much more solid unit when mcparland was introduced before half time. played poorly and won , good trait
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 04, 2023, 10:42:49 PM
Looked like it wasn't going to be our night from very early on with passes either bouncing off players or being misplaced. Nasty injury to Barry looked like it would spell the end of our night as Antrim always looked to have the edge on us. But the men fought right to the very end. Don't really understand the reason behind playing Laverty whos a forward for his club at corner back and magill who'd be a no.6 or midfield for Burren at corner back as well. As a defender myself I always feel like the full back line is a very specialised position and you want your players to be well used to idea of tightly marking their opponents
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 05, 2023, 12:26:48 AM
Laverty once again found out along the line
Like Roscommon and Tyrone under 20s
A shambles from start to finish
Get the club mate in
Only for Murdock we were beat out the gate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on February 05, 2023, 04:32:46 AM
Down won the match smurf. It may not have been the best performance but it is great to get the result. A few of the changes laverty made towards helped get the result.
Just remember Down havent won a game in a long time and tbh the direction we were heading was div 4. Our underage teams have not been competitive in years so he is doing ok considering.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 05, 2023, 07:03:39 AM
Any word on Shane Annett coming back from injury? And I take it Owen McCabe out injured also? Would make a difference physically with those two in the team, and Anthony Morgan along with it, especially this time of year on the heavy pitches,  we won't see the best of those smaller quick players until April/May time. That said  any Down fan would have bit your hand off for 2 wins from 2 and showing great battling qualities so far. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 05, 2023, 11:18:57 AM
Down are very much a work in progress.  Div 3 was always going to be tough. The McKenna cup built up hopes and some got carried away. A win is a win. Was I the only one who thought the scoreboard was wrong? Antrim went from 1.04 to 1.05 on scoreboard but I don't think the scored. Poss I'm going mad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on February 05, 2023, 04:36:14 PM
Any word on barry o hagans injury?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 05, 2023, 04:56:32 PM
Karl Lacey the new manager of the Magpies. Huge name
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 05, 2023, 06:23:02 PM
Quote from: urbangael on February 05, 2023, 04:56:32 PM
Karl Lacey the new manager of the Magpies. Huge name

As the winner of four All Stars, the Footballer of the Year award and an All-Ireland medal from 2012, Karl Lacey is the most decorated player in the history of Four Masters. Involved in the Donegal management under Declan Bonner for a few years but wondering who he has managed since and what have they won as a gauge of how good he is at it? Playing is one thing, managing something else.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 05, 2023, 09:00:51 PM
A real smash and grab effort last night but what about the drive from the crowd in the last ten minutes. A fantastic atmosphere all round. I hope this can be replicated in the remaining fixtures of the league starting with Fermanagh in the next game.
If Barry has the dreaded ACL injury - it's very unfortunate for the player and will be a huge loss to us for the season.
Kilcoo getting Lacey - I'm not so sure about that rumour. I think an inside appointment beckons for the magpies..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 05, 2023, 10:01:42 PM
I read after the match that Barry O'Hagan suffered an ankle injury. Hopefully he is not out for too long.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 06, 2023, 11:59:46 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 05, 2023, 12:26:48 AM
Laverty once again found out along the line
Like Roscommon and Tyrone under 20s
A shambles from start to finish
Get the club mate in
Only for Murdock we were beat out the gate


???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 06, 2023, 10:22:20 PM
I'd say that looking at the posts after the last two NFL games maybe 10/12 of the so called regular posters actually have gone to see Down play out of all who post on here. We all have plenty to say and I nail my colours to the mast that I will never pay to watch Down as long as that man is in charge but why do the rest of you not support them in Newry or on the road?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on February 06, 2023, 11:23:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on February 05, 2023, 10:01:42 PM
I read after the match that Barry O'Hagan suffered an ankle injury. Hopefully he is not out for too long.
ACL injury
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: harryR on February 07, 2023, 04:25:36 AM
Quote from: Lotto on February 06, 2023, 10:22:20 PM
I'd say that looking at the posts after the last two NFL games maybe 10/12 of the so called regular posters actually have gone to see Down play out of all who post on here. We all have plenty to say and I nail my colours to the mast that I will never pay to watch Down as long as that man is in charge but why do the rest of you not support them in Newry or on the road?

Without knowing anything about the situation. What's the reason for disliking him so much? I do apologise if I'm crossing the line asking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 07, 2023, 04:37:14 AM
Saturday was the biggest crowd I've seen in Newry for a league game for quite some time. I was in Tipperary too and Down had considerably more support than the home team despite the long journey involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 07, 2023, 09:26:24 AM
Quote from: ardtole on February 07, 2023, 04:37:14 AM
Saturday was the biggest crowd I've seen in Newry for a league game for quite some time. I was in Tipperary too and Down had considerably more support than the home team despite the long journey involved.
Id agree. I'm struggling to remember last time the stand was full in a league game. Does the stand hold 5k.i won't make Enniskillen  but the rest of the games are well within range for me. Fermanagh Cavan Offaly and westmeath will be tough battles  Div 3 is a tough league . Longford have always battled hard against Down also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 07, 2023, 10:12:22 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 07, 2023, 09:26:24 AM
Quote from: ardtole on February 07, 2023, 04:37:14 AM
Saturday was the biggest crowd I've seen in Newry for a league game for quite some time. I was in Tipperary too and Down had considerably more support than the home team despite the long journey involved.
Id agree. I'm struggling to remember last time the stand was full in a league game. Does the stand hold 5k.i won't make Enniskillen  but the rest of the games are well within range for me. Fermanagh Cavan Offaly and westmeath will be tough battles  Div 3 is a tough league . Longford have always battled hard against Down also.

Match is likely to be in Ederney which will be a long journey.. Brewster park is out of action. Small enough stand and not much parking at Ederney but game is being streamed on BBC iPlayer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 07, 2023, 11:31:46 AM
Armagh have changed the age grades but Antrim stay for the year and will wait to next year. The GAA has made a balls up on this. Its utter confusion for all clubs many who have made plans for the year.
Surely it makes more sense to change next year and let clubs prepare for this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 07, 2023, 11:45:17 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 07, 2023, 11:31:46 AM
Armagh have changed the age grades but Antrim stay for the year and will wait to next year. The GAA has made a balls up on this. Its utter confusion for all clubs many who have made plans for the year.
Surely it makes more sense to change next year and let clubs prepare for this.

We decide tomorrow night in the Burrendale, What way is your club voting?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 07, 2023, 12:17:09 PM
I believe they are meeting tonight to decide what way to vote.

I think more are swaying towards changing in 2024 as teams have began to prepare and have already had friendlies.

The u19 league begins this weekend as well and changing would result in this being scrapped.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on February 07, 2023, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: harryR on February 07, 2023, 04:25:36 AM
Quote from: Lotto on February 06, 2023, 10:22:20 PM
I'd say that looking at the posts after the last two NFL games maybe 10/12 of the so called regular posters actually have gone to see Down play out of all who post on here. We all have plenty to say and I nail my colours to the mast that I will never pay to watch Down as long as that man is in charge but why do the rest of you not support them in Newry or on the road?

Without knowing anything about the situation. What's the reason for disliking him so much? I do apologise if I'm crossing the line asking.

Maybe he's from the Downpatrick club, Warrenpoint, Burren, Mayobridge, Clonduff, or any of the other clubs, individuals, or families that have been abused or insulted down the years by him and the club he represents?

Stop with the never seen as big a crowd in Newry nonsense, all coming to see the messiah, it wasn't that long ago we were in Divison one with 10/12k at the games. Under Tally a few years ago we had a near sell out crowd in the championship in Newry v Mayo. The only difference now is there is more Kilcoo tracksuits about.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 07, 2023, 12:58:13 PM
And there was as many Mayo as Down supporters in Newry that day if not more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 07, 2023, 01:28:12 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on February 07, 2023, 12:55:34 PM
Quote from: harryR on February 07, 2023, 04:25:36 AM
Quote from: Lotto on February 06, 2023, 10:22:20 PM
I'd say that looking at the posts after the last two NFL games maybe 10/12 of the so called regular posters actually have gone to see Down play out of all who post on here. We all have plenty to say and I nail my colours to the mast that I will never pay to watch Down as long as that man is in charge but why do the rest of you not support them in Newry or on the road?

Without knowing anything about the situation. What's the reason for disliking him so much? I do apologise if I'm crossing the line asking.

Maybe he's from the Downpatrick club, Warrenpoint, Burren, Mayobridge, Clonduff, or any of the other clubs, individuals, or families that have been abused or insulted down the years by him and the club he represents?

Stop with the never seen as big a crowd in Newry nonsense, all coming to see the messiah, it wasn't that long ago we were in Divison one with 10/12k at the games. Under Tally a few years ago we had a near sell out crowd in the championship in Newry v Mayo. The only difference now is there is more Kilcoo tracksuits about.
When did Down have 10/12k at a league game in Newry.  Poss V  Armagh  in 2010ish or Dublin in 2012. But you would struggle to say 11/13 years ago is recent. Mayo was Qualifier and Mayo supplied alot of that crowd.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 07, 2023, 02:42:59 PM
I see Odhran Murdock was named in the team of the week. Great talent considering his age and the position he is playing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on February 07, 2023, 08:32:10 PM
Quote from: ardtole on February 07, 2023, 02:42:59 PM
I see Odhran Murdock was named in the team of the week. Great talent considering his age and the position he is playing.
Who's team of the week ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 07, 2023, 08:50:33 PM
Gaa.ie
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on February 07, 2023, 10:30:09 PM
Quote from: County Star on February 06, 2023, 11:23:58 PM
Quote from: ardtole on February 05, 2023, 10:01:42 PM
I read after the match that Barry O'Hagan suffered an ankle injury. Hopefully he is not out for too long.
ACL injury

I just spoke to Barry it's actually a knee injury which he described as not good.

Barry will be out for 12 months big loss for Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 08, 2023, 05:35:53 AM
Huge loss for sure. He was a key part of the attack.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 08, 2023, 08:35:12 AM
A massive loss to Down and Clonduff, get well soon Barry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 08, 2023, 10:15:36 AM
Can any Kilcoo posters or Down statto confirm if James Morgan (Kilcoo) has a National league medal. A man told me he won one in 1970 but the records have Kerry winning that year. Can anyone shed light on this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 08, 2023, 12:36:54 PM
The records show that Mayo beat Down in the 1970 league final, so it is possible that James Morgan has a losers medal from that year. He definitely has a USC winners medal from 1971, as he scored six points in the final. Not many other Kilcoo players have won a senior Ulster championship with Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 08, 2023, 01:45:38 PM
Was there two leagues in those days? Down beat Louth in a final in 71.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on February 08, 2023, 09:26:04 PM
down clubs vote to keep age structures as they are for this year . we are such a backward county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 08, 2023, 09:42:16 PM
Quote from: skat man on February 08, 2023, 09:26:04 PM
down clubs vote to keep age structures as they are for this year . we are such a backward county

Backward?

prudent is the correct description.

Whether you want to believe it or not, the lads who "graduated" into the adult ranks at the end of last season have already started going their separate ways.  Rearranging everyone and everybody at short notice, in the hope that this one yea's worth of players will all happily step into a bonus juvenile season, is a stretch of the imagination.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on February 08, 2023, 09:52:38 PM
going their separate ways ? they've trained with a new group for 1-2 months maximum , very few clubs will be starting 17 yr old lads in senior teams so yes they should have got another years football to develop. short notice ? the underage competitions wont start for another 2 months , hardly short notice. also the lads that have graduated could still be part of the adult squad in option 3 . it was a win win , so much for the clubs caring about their players , the thought of a bit of extra leg work and they folded. disappointing from the clubs who voted against it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 08, 2023, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: skat man on February 08, 2023, 09:26:04 PM
down clubs vote to keep age structures as they are for this year . we are such a backward county

No right decision available but probably the best thing overall to stay as is this year and move to U18, decoupling at 17 next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 08, 2023, 10:08:04 PM
First I'd be of the notion that there's more lads than anyone might think are happy enough to give up Gaelic Games, and when the flag went up last year their boots were burned shortly after.

Staying on u17/18. Let's presume last year was a normal enough year at juvenile football. Some clubs did well at this level. Some improved. Some went backwards. Some as good as folded. And they all know pretty much to a team that that won't change much this season if it is repeated. And those clubs and players that went backwards or nearly folded at the level, now have to do it all again. Except some of their eligible players are now focused on senior football, and some will never come back.

All I see here is DNF all over the results, and fines for clubs.

—-

Now roll it down to u15/16.

Last year they played with a size 4 at u15.

Should u16s follow suit? Or not? And why?

——

Now roll it down to u13/14

Last year at u13 this was 13-a-side with Go Games rules.

Should this continue? Or not. Remember half these guys will be seniors in school by the end of the summer. Or maybe don't consider that.

——

Now roll it down to u11.5/12

For the last 3 years we've played this as a primary school competition (u11.5). And it works really well. Classmates growing up in football together until they get to big school, when playing with lads from a year above is less daunting (and a bit fairer).

So should we continue with 11.5? Surely we can't as this would see 2.5 years of players squeezing into u14 football. That's all year 8s, all year 9s, and half of year 10. Or in other words, in most clubs, no football for all but the biggest year 8s.

Is there a compromise to be had? Maybe. But good luck finding it in 6 weeks.

——

We've now prudently got a year to work these things out.

It might seem backward to you. Bug only because you've a narrow agenda which is focused on getting u18s a campaign - even though they're served over the year by u19, reserves and u20.... Should they actually want to play football..

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiffler on February 08, 2023, 11:16:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2023, 10:08:04 PM
First I'd be of the notion that there's more lads than anyone might think are happy enough to give up Gaelic Games, and when the flag went up last year their boots were burned shortly after.

Staying on u17/18. Let's presume last year was a normal enough year at juvenile football. Some clubs did well at this level. Some improved. Some went backwards. Some as good as folded. And they all know pretty much to a team that that won't change much this season if it is repeated. And those clubs and players that went backwards or nearly folded at the level, now have to do it all again. Except some of their eligible players are now focused on senior football, and some will never come back.

All I see here is DNF all over the results, and fines for clubs.

—-

Now roll it down to u15/16.

Last year they played with a size 4 at u15.

Should u16s follow suit? Or not? And why?

——

Now roll it down to u13/14

Last year at u13 this was 13-a-side with Go Games rules.

Should this continue? Or not. Remember half these guys will be seniors in school by the end of the summer. Or maybe don't consider that.

——

Now roll it down to u11.5/12

For the last 3 years we've played this as a primary school competition (u11.5). And it works really well. Classmates growing up in football together until they get to big school, when playing with lads from a year above is less daunting (and a bit fairer).

So should we continue with 11.5? Surely we can't as this would see 2.5 years of players squeezing into u14 football. That's all year 8s, all year 9s, and half of year 10. Or in other words, in most clubs, no football for all but the biggest year 8s.

Is there a compromise to be had? Maybe. But good luck finding it in 6 weeks.

——

We've now prudently got a year to work these things out.

It might seem backward to you. Bug only because you've a narrow agenda which is focused on getting u18s a campaign - even though they're served over the year by u19, reserves and u20.... Should they actually want to play football..

Good post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on February 09, 2023, 12:03:02 AM
65% voted in favour of retaining the status quo

The Féile this year remains at u15
U19s have already commenced
The Down fixtures calendar already passed
Then there is the potential for disillusionment in removing 18 year olds from the senior panel they have been working with since November

Next year we revert to the all Ireland wide model of even grades for competitive competitions

I still think we can have u12s then u10.5 u8.5 and u6.5

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 09, 2023, 08:14:19 AM
Quote from: County Star on February 09, 2023, 12:03:02 AM
65% voted in favour of retaining the status quo

The Féile this year remains at u15
U19s have already commenced
The Down fixtures calendar already passed
Then there is the potential for disillusionment in removing 18 year olds from the senior panel they have been working with since November

Next year we revert to the all Ireland wide model of even grades for competitive competitions

I still think we can have u12s then u10.5 u8.5 and u6.5

65% voted for the status quo on the premise that we move to U18 (decoupling at 17) in 2024.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on February 09, 2023, 08:31:38 AM
Did the age grades change in hurling too or just football?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 09, 2023, 09:04:20 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2023, 10:08:04 PM
First I'd be of the notion that there's more lads than anyone might think are happy enough to give up Gaelic Games, and when the flag went up last year their boots were burned shortly after.

Staying on u17/18. Let's presume last year was a normal enough year at juvenile football. Some clubs did well at this level. Some improved. Some went backwards. Some as good as folded. And they all know pretty much to a team that that won't change much this season if it is repeated. And those clubs and players that went backwards or nearly folded at the level, now have to do it all again. Except some of their eligible players are now focused on senior football, and some will never come back.

All I see here is DNF all over the results, and fines for clubs.

—-

Now roll it down to u15/16.

Last year they played with a size 4 at u15.

Should u16s follow suit? Or not? And why?

——

Now roll it down to u13/14

Last year at u13 this was 13-a-side with Go Games rules.

Should this continue? Or not. Remember half these guys will be seniors in school by the end of the summer. Or maybe don't consider that.

——

Now roll it down to u11.5/12

For the last 3 years we've played this as a primary school competition (u11.5). And it works really well. Classmates growing up in football together until they get to big school, when playing with lads from a year above is less daunting (and a bit fairer).

So should we continue with 11.5? Surely we can't as this would see 2.5 years of players squeezing into u14 football. That's all year 8s, all year 9s, and half of year 10. Or in other words, in most clubs, no football for all but the biggest year 8s.

Is there a compromise to be had? Maybe. But good luck finding it in 6 weeks.

——

We've now prudently got a year to work these things out.

It might seem backward to you. Bug only because you've a narrow agenda which is focused on getting u18s a campaign - even though they're served over the year by u19, reserves and u20.... Should they actually want to play football..

Excellent Post Wobbler, 
Administrators in the county have 9 months to develop a plan in action for 2024 which can be delivered before county convention.
This should never have been put to the counties to choose themselves and the counties who have made the jump already will have a lot of hiccups. I believe we will get a lot of learnings from them.

We could have changed and wee Johnny from Carryduff could have another year playing underage and his Daddy would have been so happy but overall for the bigger picture and to get things right it was right to postpone and to change in 10 months time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 09, 2023, 09:11:28 AM
Also an interesting post from Ronan Sheehan on the matter about senior hurling which takes place on Monday nights, the same nights as u17 football. If it had changed then that would have messed up fixtures for a Monday night. A lot of things to think about for our Competitions Controls Committee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 09, 2023, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: skat man on February 08, 2023, 09:52:38 PM
going their separate ways ? they've trained with a new group for 1-2 months maximum , very few clubs will be starting 17 yr old lads in senior teams so yes they should have got another years football to develop. short notice ? the underage competitions wont start for another 2 months , hardly short notice. also the lads that have graduated could still be part of the adult squad in option 3 . it was a win win , so much for the clubs caring about their players , the thought of a bit of extra leg work and they folded. disappointing from the clubs who voted against it

Who voted against it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on February 09, 2023, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2023, 10:08:04 PM
First I'd be of the notion that there's more lads than anyone might think are happy enough to give up Gaelic Games, and when the flag went up last year their boots were burned shortly after.

Staying on u17/18. Let's presume last year was a normal enough year at juvenile football. Some clubs did well at this level. Some improved. Some went backwards. Some as good as folded. And they all know pretty much to a team that that won't change much this season if it is repeated. And those clubs and players that went backwards or nearly folded at the level, now have to do it all again. Except some of their eligible players are now focused on senior football, and some will never come back.

All I see here is DNF all over the results, and fines for clubs.

—-

Now roll it down to u15/16.

Last year they played with a size 4 at u15.

Should u16s follow suit? Or not? And why?

——

Now roll it down to u13/14

Last year at u13 this was 13-a-side with Go Games rules.

Should this continue? Or not. Remember half these guys will be seniors in school by the end of the summer. Or maybe don't consider that.

——

Now roll it down to u11.5/12

For the last 3 years we've played this as a primary school competition (u11.5). And it works really well. Classmates growing up in football together until they get to big school, when playing with lads from a year above is less daunting (and a bit fairer).

So should we continue with 11.5? Surely we can't as this would see 2.5 years of players squeezing into u14 football. That's all year 8s, all year 9s, and half of year 10. Or in other words, in most clubs, no football for all but the biggest year 8s.

Is there a compromise to be had? Maybe. But good luck finding it in 6 weeks.

——

We've now prudently got a year to work these things out.

It might seem backward to you. Bug only because you've a narrow agenda which is focused on getting u18s a campaign - even though they're served over the year by u19, reserves and u20.... Should they actually want to play football..

I cant believe you wasted your time writing that up . People like you are the exact reason we went to different age grades making mountains out of molehills , it doesn't matter what size the ball is or if its go game rules or if at under 12 some lad is playing with kids a few years older , the key to underage is getting kids all playing . Thats the whole point to it, get kids playing .
Ive no vested interest in any minor but yes if it meant keeping any young lads playing longer its a success to me, thats what its about

Also its not something we have to discuss and chat about because ITS THE WAY IT USED TO BE , so just go back to the model that worked well and use whatever ball size was used then . the same as the other counties who stuck to their guns are going to do . What are you gonna spend the rest of the year discussing now ? Down voted for it two months ago and now some of the clubs balked over extra leg work . Shambolic
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 09, 2023, 10:34:03 AM
Quote from: skat man on February 09, 2023, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2023, 10:08:04 PM
First I'd be of the notion that there's more lads than anyone might think are happy enough to give up Gaelic Games, and when the flag went up last year their boots were burned shortly after.

Staying on u17/18. Let's presume last year was a normal enough year at juvenile football. Some clubs did well at this level. Some improved. Some went backwards. Some as good as folded. And they all know pretty much to a team that that won't change much this season if it is repeated. And those clubs and players that went backwards or nearly folded at the level, now have to do it all again. Except some of their eligible players are now focused on senior football, and some will never come back.

All I see here is DNF all over the results, and fines for clubs.

—-

Now roll it down to u15/16.

Last year they played with a size 4 at u15.

Should u16s follow suit? Or not? And why?

——

Now roll it down to u13/14

Last year at u13 this was 13-a-side with Go Games rules.

Should this continue? Or not. Remember half these guys will be seniors in school by the end of the summer. Or maybe don't consider that.

——

Now roll it down to u11.5/12

For the last 3 years we've played this as a primary school competition (u11.5). And it works really well. Classmates growing up in football together until they get to big school, when playing with lads from a year above is less daunting (and a bit fairer).

So should we continue with 11.5? Surely we can't as this would see 2.5 years of players squeezing into u14 football. That's all year 8s, all year 9s, and half of year 10. Or in other words, in most clubs, no football for all but the biggest year 8s.

Is there a compromise to be had? Maybe. But good luck finding it in 6 weeks.

——

We've now prudently got a year to work these things out.

It might seem backward to you. Bug only because you've a narrow agenda which is focused on getting u18s a campaign - even though they're served over the year by u19, reserves and u20.... Should they actually want to play football..

I cant believe you wasted your time writing that up . People like you are the exact reason we went to different age grades making mountains out of molehills , it doesn't matter what size the ball is or if its go game rules or if at under 12 some lad is playing with kids a few years older , the key to underage is getting kids all playing . Thats the whole point to it, get kids playing .
Ive no vested interest in any minor but yes if it meant keeping any young lads playing longer its a success to me, thats what its about

Also its not something we have to discuss and chat about because ITS THE WAY IT USED TO BE , so just go back to the model that worked well and use whatever ball size was used then . the same as the other counties who stuck to their guns are going to do . What are you gonna spend the rest of the year discussing now ? Down voted for it two months ago and now some of the clubs balked over extra leg work . Shambolic


Changing a whole calendar is not making a mountain out of a molehill, there are a lot of factors that would have came into play straight away and people would have been expecting answers straights away. The sensible matter was to postpone to next year and get the correct plans in place to ensure a smooth running.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 09, 2023, 11:01:52 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 09, 2023, 10:34:03 AM
Quote from: skat man on February 09, 2023, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2023, 10:08:04 PM
First I'd be of the notion that there's more lads than anyone might think are happy enough to give up Gaelic Games, and when the flag went up last year their boots were burned shortly after.

Staying on u17/18. Let's presume last year was a normal enough year at juvenile football. Some clubs did well at this level. Some improved. Some went backwards. Some as good as folded. And they all know pretty much to a team that that won't change much this season if it is repeated. And those clubs and players that went backwards or nearly folded at the level, now have to do it all again. Except some of their eligible players are now focused on senior football, and some will never come back.

All I see here is DNF all over the results, and fines for clubs.

—-

Now roll it down to u15/16.

Last year they played with a size 4 at u15.

Should u16s follow suit? Or not? And why?

——

Now roll it down to u13/14

Last year at u13 this was 13-a-side with Go Games rules.

Should this continue? Or not. Remember half these guys will be seniors in school by the end of the summer. Or maybe don't consider that.

——

Now roll it down to u11.5/12

For the last 3 years we've played this as a primary school competition (u11.5). And it works really well. Classmates growing up in football together until they get to big school, when playing with lads from a year above is less daunting (and a bit fairer).

So should we continue with 11.5? Surely we can't as this would see 2.5 years of players squeezing into u14 football. That's all year 8s, all year 9s, and half of year 10. Or in other words, in most clubs, no football for all but the biggest year 8s.

Is there a compromise to be had? Maybe. But good luck finding it in 6 weeks.

——

We've now prudently got a year to work these things out.

It might seem backward to you. Bug only because you've a narrow agenda which is focused on getting u18s a campaign - even though they're served over the year by u19, reserves and u20.... Should they actually want to play football..

I cant believe you wasted your time writing that up . People like you are the exact reason we went to different age grades making mountains out of molehills , it doesn't matter what size the ball is or if its go game rules or if at under 12 some lad is playing with kids a few years older , the key to underage is getting kids all playing . Thats the whole point to it, get kids playing .
Ive no vested interest in any minor but yes if it meant keeping any young lads playing longer its a success to me, thats what its about

Also its not something we have to discuss and chat about because ITS THE WAY IT USED TO BE , so just go back to the model that worked well and use whatever ball size was used then . the same as the other counties who stuck to their guns are going to do . What are you gonna spend the rest of the year discussing now ? Down voted for it two months ago and now some of the clubs balked over extra leg work . Shambolic


Changing a whole calendar is not making a mountain out of a molehill, there are a lot of factors that would have came into play straight away and people would have been expecting answers straights away. The sensible matter was to postpone to next year and get the correct plans in place to ensure a smooth running.
excellent post wobbler. coaches and clubs already have plans in place for the year ahead so be much easier to get things sorted this season for next season. I'm sure other counties changing will run into hiccups so we can learn from their mistakes and get it right the first time
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimStynes on February 09, 2023, 11:18:21 AM
Quote from: skat man on February 09, 2023, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2023, 10:08:04 PM
First I'd be of the notion that there's more lads than anyone might think are happy enough to give up Gaelic Games, and when the flag went up last year their boots were burned shortly after.

Staying on u17/18. Let's presume last year was a normal enough year at juvenile football. Some clubs did well at this level. Some improved. Some went backwards. Some as good as folded. And they all know pretty much to a team that that won't change much this season if it is repeated. And those clubs and players that went backwards or nearly folded at the level, now have to do it all again. Except some of their eligible players are now focused on senior football, and some will never come back.

All I see here is DNF all over the results, and fines for clubs.

—-

Now roll it down to u15/16.

Last year they played with a size 4 at u15.

Should u16s follow suit? Or not? And why?

——

Now roll it down to u13/14

Last year at u13 this was 13-a-side with Go Games rules.

Should this continue? Or not. Remember half these guys will be seniors in school by the end of the summer. Or maybe don't consider that.

——

Now roll it down to u11.5/12

For the last 3 years we've played this as a primary school competition (u11.5). And it works really well. Classmates growing up in football together until they get to big school, when playing with lads from a year above is less daunting (and a bit fairer).

So should we continue with 11.5? Surely we can't as this would see 2.5 years of players squeezing into u14 football. That's all year 8s, all year 9s, and half of year 10. Or in other words, in most clubs, no football for all but the biggest year 8s.

Is there a compromise to be had? Maybe. But good luck finding it in 6 weeks.

——

We've now prudently got a year to work these things out.

It might seem backward to you. Bug only because you've a narrow agenda which is focused on getting u18s a campaign - even though they're served over the year by u19, reserves and u20.... Should they actually want to play football..

I cant believe you wasted your time writing that up . People like you are the exact reason we went to different age grades making mountains out of molehills , it doesn't matter what size the ball is or if its go game rules or if at under 12 some lad is playing with kids a few years older , the key to underage is getting kids all playing . Thats the whole point to it, get kids playing .
Ive no vested interest in any minor but yes if it meant keeping any young lads playing longer its a success to me, thats what its about

Also its not something we have to discuss and chat about because ITS THE WAY IT USED TO BE , so just go back to the model that worked well and use whatever ball size was used then . the same as the other counties who stuck to their guns are going to do . What are you gonna spend the rest of the year discussing now ? Down voted for it two months ago and now some of the clubs balked over extra leg work . Shambolic

What a stupid post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 09, 2023, 11:23:54 AM
Quote from: skat man on February 09, 2023, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2023, 10:08:04 PM
First I'd be of the notion that there's more lads than anyone might think are happy enough to give up Gaelic Games, and when the flag went up last year their boots were burned shortly after.

Staying on u17/18. Let's presume last year was a normal enough year at juvenile football. Some clubs did well at this level. Some improved. Some went backwards. Some as good as folded. And they all know pretty much to a team that that won't change much this season if it is repeated. And those clubs and players that went backwards or nearly folded at the level, now have to do it all again. Except some of their eligible players are now focused on senior football, and some will never come back.

All I see here is DNF all over the results, and fines for clubs.

—-

Now roll it down to u15/16.

Last year they played with a size 4 at u15.

Should u16s follow suit? Or not? And why?

——

Now roll it down to u13/14

Last year at u13 this was 13-a-side with Go Games rules.

Should this continue? Or not. Remember half these guys will be seniors in school by the end of the summer. Or maybe don't consider that.

——

Now roll it down to u11.5/12

For the last 3 years we've played this as a primary school competition (u11.5). And it works really well. Classmates growing up in football together until they get to big school, when playing with lads from a year above is less daunting (and a bit fairer).

So should we continue with 11.5? Surely we can't as this would see 2.5 years of players squeezing into u14 football. That's all year 8s, all year 9s, and half of year 10. Or in other words, in most clubs, no football for all but the biggest year 8s.

Is there a compromise to be had? Maybe. But good luck finding it in 6 weeks.

——

We've now prudently got a year to work these things out.

It might seem backward to you. Bug only because you've a narrow agenda which is focused on getting u18s a campaign - even though they're served over the year by u19, reserves and u20.... Should they actually want to play football..

I cant believe you wasted your time writing that up . People like you are the exact reason we went to different age grades making mountains out of molehills , it doesn't matter what size the ball is or if its go game rules or if at under 12 some lad is playing with kids a few years older , the key to underage is getting kids all playing . Thats the whole point to it, get kids playing .
Ive no vested interest in any minor but yes if it meant keeping any young lads playing longer its a success to me, thats what its about

Also its not something we have to discuss and chat about because ITS THE WAY IT USED TO BE , so just go back to the model that worked well and use whatever ball size was used then . the same as the other counties who stuck to their guns are going to do . What are you gonna spend the rest of the year discussing now ? Down voted for it two months ago and now some of the clubs balked over extra leg work . Shambolic

Yep the way it used to be. Final year minors playing / training with seniors. Final year minors in dual clubs maybe doubling up on both. A communications and logistics problem that was solved through clear and agreed rules when we moved to u17.. Let's jump head first back into the problem and hope for the best. That's what we need to do.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 09, 2023, 12:12:14 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on February 09, 2023, 08:31:38 AM
Did the age grades change in hurling too or just football?

Both will change in 2024
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on February 09, 2023, 12:39:17 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 09, 2023, 11:23:54 AM
Quote from: skat man on February 09, 2023, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2023, 10:08:04 PM
First I'd be of the notion that there's more lads than anyone might think are happy enough to give up Gaelic Games, and when the flag went up last year their boots were burned shortly after.

Staying on u17/18. Let's presume last year was a normal enough year at juvenile football. Some clubs did well at this level. Some improved. Some went backwards. Some as good as folded. And they all know pretty much to a team that that won't change much this season if it is repeated. And those clubs and players that went backwards or nearly folded at the level, now have to do it all again. Except some of their eligible players are now focused on senior football, and some will never come back.



All I see here is DNF all over the results, and fines for clubs.

—-

Now roll it down to u15/16.

Last year they played with a size 4 at u15.

Should u16s follow suit? Or not? And why?

——

Now roll it down to u13/14

Last year at u13 this was 13-a-side with Go Games rules.

Should this continue? Or not. Remember half these guys will be seniors in school by the end of the summer. Or maybe don't consider that.

——

Now roll it down to u11.5/12

For the last 3 years we've played this as a primary school competition (u11.5). And it works really well. Classmates growing up in football together until they get to big school, when playing with lads from a year above is less daunting (and a bit fairer).

So should we continue with 11.5? Surely we can't as this would see 2.5 years of players squeezing into u14 football. That's all year 8s, all year 9s, and half of year 10. Or in other words, in most clubs, no football for all but the biggest year 8s.

Is there a compromise to be had? Maybe. But good luck finding it in 6 weeks.

——

We've now prudently got a year to work these things out.

It might seem backward to you. Bug only because you've a narrow agenda which is focused on getting u18s a campaign - even though they're served over the year by u19, reserves and u20.... Should they actually want to play football..

I cant believe you wasted your time writing that up . People like you are the exact reason we went to different age grades making mountains out of molehills , it doesn't matter what size the ball is or if its go game rules or if at under 12 some lad is playing with kids a few years older , the key to underage is getting kids all playing . Thats the whole point to it, get kids playing .
Ive no vested interest in any minor but yes if it meant keeping any young lads playing longer its a success to me, thats what its about

Also its not something we have to discuss and chat about because ITS THE WAY IT USED TO BE , so just go back to the model that worked well and use whatever ball size was used then . the same as the other counties who stuck to their guns are going to do . What are you gonna spend the rest of the year discussing now ? Down voted for it two months ago and now some of the clubs balked over extra leg work . Shambolic

Yep the way it used to be. Final year minors playing / training with seniors. Final year minors in dual clubs maybe doubling up on both. A communications and logistics problem that was solved through clear and agreed rules when we moved to u17.. Let's jump head first back into the problem and hope for the best. That's what we need to do.

So now its went from a lot of trivial issues to 1 main issue that will differ on a club by club basis , if it was such a terrible system why did down clubs vote to return to it ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on February 09, 2023, 12:40:23 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 09, 2023, 11:18:21 AM
Quote from: skat man on February 09, 2023, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2023, 10:08:04 PM
First I'd be of the notion that there's more lads than anyone might think are happy enough to give up Gaelic Games, and when the flag went up last year their boots were burned shortly after.

Staying on u17/18. Let's presume last year was a normal enough year at juvenile football. Some clubs did well at this level. Some improved. Some went backwards. Some as good as folded. And they all know pretty much to a team that that won't change much this season if it is repeated. And those clubs and players that went backwards or nearly folded at the level, now have to do it all again. Except some of their eligible players are now focused on senior football, and some will never come back.

All I see here is DNF all over the results, and fines for clubs.

—-

Now roll it down to u15/16.

Last year they played with a size 4 at u15.

Should u16s follow suit? Or not? And why?

——

Now roll it down to u13/14

Last year at u13 this was 13-a-side with Go Games rules.

Should this continue? Or not. Remember half these guys will be seniors in school by the end of the summer. Or maybe don't consider that.

——

Now roll it down to u11.5/12

For the last 3 years we've played this as a primary school competition (u11.5). And it works really well. Classmates growing up in football together until they get to big school, when playing with lads from a year above is less daunting (and a bit fairer).

So should we continue with 11.5? Surely we can't as this would see 2.5 years of players squeezing into u14 football. That's all year 8s, all year 9s, and half of year 10. Or in other words, in most clubs, no football for all but the biggest year 8s.

Is there a compromise to be had? Maybe. But good luck finding it in 6 weeks.

——

We've now prudently got a year to work these things out.

It might seem backward to you. Bug only because you've a narrow agenda which is focused on getting u18s a campaign - even though they're served over the year by u19, reserves and u20.... Should they actually want to play football..

I cant believe you wasted your time writing that up . People like you are the exact reason we went to different age grades making mountains out of molehills , it doesn't matter what size the ball is or if its go game rules or if at under 12 some lad is playing with kids a few years older , the key to underage is getting kids all playing . Thats the whole point to it, get kids playing .
Ive no vested interest in any minor but yes if it meant keeping any young lads playing longer its a success to me, thats what its about

Also its not something we have to discuss and chat about because ITS THE WAY IT USED TO BE , so just go back to the model that worked well and use whatever ball size was used then . the same as the other counties who stuck to their guns are going to do . What are you gonna spend the rest of the year discussing now ? Down voted for it two months ago and now some of the clubs balked over extra leg work . Shambolic

What a stupid post.


A well reasoned response , hard to argue with
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimStynes on February 09, 2023, 12:58:21 PM
Quote from: skat man on February 09, 2023, 12:40:23 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 09, 2023, 11:18:21 AM
Quote from: skat man on February 09, 2023, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2023, 10:08:04 PM
First I'd be of the notion that there's more lads than anyone might think are happy enough to give up Gaelic Games, and when the flag went up last year their boots were burned shortly after.

Staying on u17/18. Let's presume last year was a normal enough year at juvenile football. Some clubs did well at this level. Some improved. Some went backwards. Some as good as folded. And they all know pretty much to a team that that won't change much this season if it is repeated. And those clubs and players that went backwards or nearly folded at the level, now have to do it all again. Except some of their eligible players are now focused on senior football, and some will never come back.

All I see here is DNF all over the results, and fines for clubs.

—-

Now roll it down to u15/16.

Last year they played with a size 4 at u15.

Should u16s follow suit? Or not? And why?

——

Now roll it down to u13/14

Last year at u13 this was 13-a-side with Go Games rules.

Should this continue? Or not. Remember half these guys will be seniors in school by the end of the summer. Or maybe don't consider that.

——

Now roll it down to u11.5/12

For the last 3 years we've played this as a primary school competition (u11.5). And it works really well. Classmates growing up in football together until they get to big school, when playing with lads from a year above is less daunting (and a bit fairer).

So should we continue with 11.5? Surely we can't as this would see 2.5 years of players squeezing into u14 football. That's all year 8s, all year 9s, and half of year 10. Or in other words, in most clubs, no football for all but the biggest year 8s.

Is there a compromise to be had? Maybe. But good luck finding it in 6 weeks.

——

We've now prudently got a year to work these things out.

It might seem backward to you. Bug only because you've a narrow agenda which is focused on getting u18s a campaign - even though they're served over the year by u19, reserves and u20.... Should they actually want to play football..

I cant believe you wasted your time writing that up . People like you are the exact reason we went to different age grades making mountains out of molehills , it doesn't matter what size the ball is or if its go game rules or if at under 12 some lad is playing with kids a few years older , the key to underage is getting kids all playing . Thats the whole point to it, get kids playing .
Ive no vested interest in any minor but yes if it meant keeping any young lads playing longer its a success to me, thats what its about

Also its not something we have to discuss and chat about because ITS THE WAY IT USED TO BE , so just go back to the model that worked well and use whatever ball size was used then . the same as the other counties who stuck to their guns are going to do . What are you gonna spend the rest of the year discussing now ? Down voted for it two months ago and now some of the clubs balked over extra leg work . Shambolic

What a stupid post.


A well reasoned response , hard to argue with

So the key to underage is kids playing and that's that. Go games are load of crap, the size of the ball doesn't matter, kids playing with much bigger and older fellas isn't an issue. Sure throw the ball up into the middle at training and let them tear away as well.

IMO key to underage is enjoyment at that early stage of development is enjoyment and plenty of fun in training sessions. As you move up the age grades it changes with competitiveness being added in. Children love winning and competing. Children also love playing with their own age groups rather than being thrown in with children from a year or 2 above them but this is also going to be an issue unless it went like soccer and had u10, u11, u12, u13 etc. I personally think it should be done in school ages i.e. u12.5, 14.5, 16.5 etc. This means it's the school year group and year group below. But not everyone will be for that either. There is never going to be a perfect fit. But to say it's just about playing is one of several issues. Are they playing at the right level or getting tanked? Nothing will put children off playing than getting hammered in games. Go games is brilliant for children in this regard. For those 18 year olds I hope there is an u19 competition put in place and plenty of u20 and reserve football too.

I do agree it was a mistake to change the age grades in the first place. I was never supportive of that. But to try change it back 4 weeks before the start of the league is shambolic. We have had friendlies at U17 and 12 training sessions under our belt at this stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 09, 2023, 01:42:23 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 09, 2023, 12:58:21 PM
Quote from: skat man on February 09, 2023, 12:40:23 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 09, 2023, 11:18:21 AM
Quote from: skat man on February 09, 2023, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2023, 10:08:04 PM
First I'd be of the notion that there's more lads than anyone might think are happy enough to give up Gaelic Games, and when the flag went up last year their boots were burned shortly after.

Staying on u17/18. Let's presume last year was a normal enough year at juvenile football. Some clubs did well at this level. Some improved. Some went backwards. Some as good as folded. And they all know pretty much to a team that that won't change much this season if it is repeated. And those clubs and players that went backwards or nearly folded at the level, now have to do it all again. Except some of their eligible players are now focused on senior football, and some will never come back.

All I see here is DNF all over the results, and fines for clubs.

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Now roll it down to u15/16.

Last year they played with a size 4 at u15.

Should u16s follow suit? Or not? And why?

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Now roll it down to u13/14

Last year at u13 this was 13-a-side with Go Games rules.

Should this continue? Or not. Remember half these guys will be seniors in school by the end of the summer. Or maybe don't consider that.

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Now roll it down to u11.5/12

For the last 3 years we've played this as a primary school competition (u11.5). And it works really well. Classmates growing up in football together until they get to big school, when playing with lads from a year above is less daunting (and a bit fairer).

So should we continue with 11.5? Surely we can't as this would see 2.5 years of players squeezing into u14 football. That's all year 8s, all year 9s, and half of year 10. Or in other words, in most clubs, no football for all but the biggest year 8s.

Is there a compromise to be had? Maybe. But good luck finding it in 6 weeks.

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We've now prudently got a year to work these things out.

It might seem backward to you. Bug only because you've a narrow agenda which is focused on getting u18s a campaign - even though they're served over the year by u19, reserves and u20.... Should they actually want to play football..

I cant believe you wasted your time writing that up . People like you are the exact reason we went to different age grades making mountains out of molehills , it doesn't matter what size the ball is or if its go game rules or if at under 12 some lad is playing with kids a few years older , the key to underage is getting kids all playing . Thats the whole point to it, get kids playing .
Ive no vested interest in any minor but yes if it meant keeping any young lads playing longer its a success to me, thats what its about

Also its not something we have to discuss and chat about because ITS THE WAY IT USED TO BE , so just go back to the model that worked well and use whatever ball size was used then . the same as the other counties who stuck to their guns are going to do . What are you gonna spend the rest of the year discussing now ? Down voted for it two months ago and now some of the clubs balked over extra leg work . Shambolic

What a stupid post.


A well reasoned response , hard to argue with

So the key to underage is kids playing and that's that. Go games are load of crap, the size of the ball doesn't matter, kids playing with much bigger and older fellas isn't an issue. Sure throw the ball up into the middle at training and let them tear away as well.

IMO key to underage is enjoyment at that early stage of development is enjoyment and plenty of fun in training sessions. As you move up the age grades it changes with competitiveness being added in. Children love winning and competing. Children also love playing with their own age groups rather than being thrown in with children from a year or 2 above them but this is also going to be an issue unless it went like soccer and had u10, u11, u12, u13 etc. I personally think it should be done in school ages i.e. u12.5, 14.5, 16.5 etc. This means it's the school year group and year group below. But not everyone will be for that either. There is never going to be a perfect fit. But to say it's just about playing is one of several issues. Are they playing at the right level or getting tanked? Nothing will put children off playing than getting hammered in games. Go games is brilliant for children in this regard. For those 18 year olds I hope there is an u19 competition put in place and plenty of u20 and reserve football too.

I do agree it was a mistake to change the age grades in the first place. I was never supportive of that. But to try change it back 4 weeks before the start of the league is shambolic. We have had friendlies at U17 and 12 training sessions under our belt at this stage.

That's the thing. No one is disputing it shouldn't go back but trying to implement change in a few weeks causes anarchy. I think Antrim, Down and Donegal chose wisely and now can plan ahead a roadmap for next year.
The coaching and game development group can also enforce the rules and regulations which they want to play at in each grade. They will be looking at the other counties and learning from them.

Playing reserve or senior football at late 17 or 18 isn't a new thing and there will be loads of football at u19, reserves, seniors and u20 for players should they wish to. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on February 09, 2023, 01:44:03 PM
it feels like you didn't read the context of my comment

the difference between using a size 4 and size 5 at under 16 is trivial
the difference between playing go game rules or not  at under 14 or stopping it at 12 is trivial
The difference between kids playing with their classmates and not for under 12 is trivial
The main issue is we are asking 17 year old school kids to train and play with physically developed adult men and if they dont want to do that because rightly them and/or their parents would feel they aren't ready theres an ill thought out farce of an under 19 tournament or they can wait until the winter and train in muck and play in under20s

I agree with your broader points and am personally a massive fan of go games as it develops teams not individuals

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on February 09, 2023, 01:48:21 PM
12 training sessions with an under 17 team already seems like a-lot considering the school season was/is in full swing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimStynes on February 09, 2023, 01:55:17 PM
Quote from: skat man on February 09, 2023, 01:44:03 PM
it feels like you didn't read the context of my comment

the difference between using a size 4 and size 5 at under 16 is trivial
the difference between playing go game rules or not  at under 14 or stopping it at 12 is trivial
The difference between kids playing with their classmates and not for under 12 is trivial
The main issue is we are asking 17 year old school kids to train and play with physically developed adult men and if they dont want to do that because rightly them and/or their parents would feel they aren't ready theres an ill thought out farce of an under 19 tournament or they can wait until the winter and train in muck and play in under20s

I agree with your broader points and am personally a massive fan of go games as it develops teams not individuals

I agree but blame the GAA HQ or whoever it was that decided to try and change this at this late stage. If this conversation happens in November then it's a non issue for me and it goes back to u18. You would probably have a few who still disagreed but it would be a handful rather than what it is now with half the people wanting change now and half wanting to take the hit and wait until this season is over.  But again, not 4 weeks before the league starts. Far too late IMO. Armagh had already agreed months ago to run the u18 league with an u17 competition to tick that box. Their clubs have planned u18 management teams etc. So when this came up from HQ the other night it was an easy decision for Armagh and probably solves a lot of potential hassle for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimStynes on February 09, 2023, 01:59:03 PM
Quote from: skat man on February 09, 2023, 01:48:21 PM
12 training sessions with an under 17 team already seems like a-lot considering the school season was/is in full swing

We are an antrim club and we don't have any lads on the county and St. Ronan's are out of the McCrory cup already. We have 4 or maybe 5 playing some sort of school football. No one in the squad is being flogged! And our season is starting 4 weeks this Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on February 09, 2023, 02:15:41 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 09, 2023, 01:59:03 PM
Quote from: skat man on February 09, 2023, 01:48:21 PM
12 training sessions with an under 17 team already seems like a-lot considering the school season was/is in full swing

We are an antrim club and we don't have any lads on the county and St. Ronan's are out of the McCrory cup already. We have 4 or maybe 5 playing some sort of school football. No one in the squad is being flogged! And our season is starting 4 weeks this Sunday.

i see , it thought you were from Down. Makes sense for Antrim to stay as they are with that timline . There are no fixtures out yet in down except for the u19 ones which would take place no matter what solution was picked . underage in down doesnt start until april so we had time unlike you in Antrim
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 09, 2023, 04:33:48 PM
Quote from: skat man on February 09, 2023, 01:44:03 PM
it feels like you didn't read the context of my comment

the difference between using a size 4 and size 5 at under 16 is trivial
the difference between playing go game rules or not  at under 14 or stopping it at 12 is trivial
The difference between kids playing with their classmates and not for under 12 is trivial
The main issue is we are asking 17 year old school kids to train and play with physically developed adult men and if they dont want to do that because rightly them and/or their parents would feel they aren't ready theres an ill thought out farce of an under 19 tournament or they can wait until the winter and train in muck and play in under20s

I agree with your broader points and am personally a massive fan of go games as it develops teams not individuals

Hardly a major issue given that for decades there have been 17 year olds (and younger) training with senior teams and playing senior football with no trend of a serious issue being caused by this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on February 09, 2023, 04:56:54 PM
i accept there hasn't been a trend i have heard of in years gone by but you also must accept that senior footballers are far more conditioned now and the power deferential between a young lad and a senior man has greatly increased. the other point is the level of commitment needed for 95% of senior set ups now is very very high and with kids at a very important point in their education minors was always tailored around exam times to cater for this . its done now , im just not sure it couldnt have worked this year and gave lots of lads around the country more opportuity than they have for 2023
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 09, 2023, 07:14:36 PM
Quote from: skat man on February 09, 2023, 04:56:54 PM
i accept there hasn't been a trend i have heard of in years gone by but you also must accept that senior footballers are far more conditioned now and the power deferential between a young lad and a senior man has greatly increased. the other point is the level of commitment needed for 95% of senior set ups now is very very high and with kids at a very important point in their education minors was always tailored around exam times to cater for this . its done now , im just not sure it couldnt have worked this year and gave lots of lads around the country more opportuity than they have for 2023

Fair enough point regarding the strength and conditioning factor. But when it comes to exams etc well that's just part of learning how to balance life. That requires strong parenting and understanding from the coaches, which I accept you may or may not get depending on each individual club, but wouldn't we all like to believe clubs would take that in to account when it comes to these young players, and not "punish" them for taking time out for exams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on February 09, 2023, 08:30:52 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on February 09, 2023, 01:59:03 PM
Quote from: skat man on February 09, 2023, 01:48:21 PM
12 training sessions with an under 17 team already seems like a-lot considering the school season was/is in full swing

We are an antrim club and we don't have any lads on the county and St. Ronan's are out of the McCrory cup already. We have 4 or maybe 5 playing some sort of school football. No one in the squad is being flogged! And our season is starting 4 weeks this Sunday.

An Antrim club commenting on a Down forum about an Armagh school. Not hard to guess your club JS.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 10, 2023, 11:53:40 AM
Barry O'Hagan out for the year, McAleenan away to Australia at the minute and big Pat Havern heading away soon too could have a lasting impact on the group in the latter part of the league campaign. Any word on when big Fin is ready to play again - a serious competitor?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on February 11, 2023, 08:58:04 PM
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Team on that link. Might not be an impartial report ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on February 12, 2023, 01:11:08 PM
Is the MacCrory final being streamed anywhere today ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on February 12, 2023, 01:36:42 PM
Got it. It's on bbc iplayer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 12, 2023, 07:00:57 PM
https://twitter.com/seanmcgoldrick1/status/1624734013305901056?s=46&t=Pl3d-puRwhOReV8UXGsWrw

Since 2007. We've had the lowest funding for Coaching/Games Development. Something wrong there when Derry got twice what we got.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 12, 2023, 09:30:32 PM
The bottom half of this payment league table have brought a fair amount of success to their counties in either hurling or football. I count 16 All Ireland and 14 provincial titles - so it's not necessarily about the amount of money - it's about what is done with it and other financial backing county boards get from corporate sponsors and various club draws.
If down were to calculate how much they have paid management setups since this money started flowing it would be scary and very little goin to development in hurling and football at underage. That's our real problem - being bled dry from within - especially the current setup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 13, 2023, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 12, 2023, 09:30:32 PM
The bottom half of this payment league table have brought a fair amount of success to their counties in either hurling or football. I count 16 All Ireland and 14 provincial titles - so it's not necessarily about the amount of money - it's about what is done with it and other financial backing county boards get from corporate sponsors and various club draws.
If down were to calculate how much they have paid management setups since this money started flowing it would be scary and very little goin to development in hurling and football at underage. That's our real problem - being bled dry from within - especially the current setup.


What does that mean ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 13, 2023, 09:35:56 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 13, 2023, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 12, 2023, 09:30:32 PM
The bottom half of this payment league table have brought a fair amount of success to their counties in either hurling or football. I count 16 All Ireland and 14 provincial titles - so it's not necessarily about the amount of money - it's about what is done with it and other financial backing county boards get from corporate sponsors and various club draws.
If down were to calculate how much they have paid management setups since this money started flowing it would be scary and very little goin to development in hurling and football at underage. That's our real problem - being bled dry from within - especially the current setup.


What does that mean ?

That means that if you look at Tyrone, they didn't get much more than Down yet are second to none in the development stakes.

They are generating a lot of their own development funds and evidently are using it well.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 13, 2023, 09:50:01 AM
Gaa bailed Down out after burrenbridge. Still paying that off and I think I heard somewhere that is an affect to the funding Down receive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 13, 2023, 09:57:10 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 13, 2023, 09:50:01 AM
Gaa bailed Down out after burrenbridge. Still paying that off and I think I heard somewhere that is an affect to the funding Down receive.

Possibly, but I thought we were still paying it back to Croke Park.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 13, 2023, 10:26:05 AM
Down senior footballers have been shambolic for almost 10 years now. For a 5/6 year period between 06-12 we were knocking about division 1 and competed in a division 1 semi final if I'm correct
Trying to go looking for sponsorships on the back of what has happened in recent years you won't get much
Now thankfully we seem to have got the support back and that will also get sponsors on board
We had 200 people at our last league match last year and 6000 for our first this year.
The feel good factor is back
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 13, 2023, 10:39:05 AM
We have the East Down and South Down paymasters who are making the management decisions in the county .

We need a sod turned in Ballykinlar ASAP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 13, 2023, 11:47:59 AM
By all accounts the Karl Lacey link to Kilcoo won't be happening but he was in talks with them. The round trip is the biggest issue. Its looking like a Choc and Jerome management until Laverty finishes with Down and then he can take the reigns.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on February 13, 2023, 01:03:52 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 13, 2023, 11:47:59 AM
By all accounts the Karl Lacey link to Kilcoo won't be happening but he was in talks with them. The round trip is the biggest issue. Its looking like a Choc and Jerome management until Laverty finishes with Down and then he can take the reigns.

Did he not know about the round trip before he spoke to them?  ::)
More likely to do with money
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Newry Mitchels on February 13, 2023, 02:54:32 PM
Hi Folks!!

It has been no secret that Newry Mitchels have been struggling in recent years, but we continue to try field a competitive team in Division 4. Every passing year this is becoming more and more challenging without a stream of underage players coming into the senior setup.

We would like to encourage anyone interesting in playing football this year to come along on Wednesday evening at the Abbey Grammar School @7pm. Whether you haven't played before, or have been away from the game for a long time and want to get back involved we would love to see you!!

We would be grateful if you could spread this message to anyone you think might be interested, this is going to be a pivotal year in the survival of the club.

We are also looking for people to help with the off field administration, please PM if you have any questions.
(//)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on February 13, 2023, 03:14:44 PM
One of my earliest childhood memories is going to the Down final in Newcastle, Mitchels vs Ballykinlar, Sean O'Neill playing for Mitchels and Paddy Doherty for Ballykinlar, Mitchels winning 4-2 to 1-10. I also met Paddy Doherty after the game, and to my child's eyes it was like meeting Santa Claus.
Sad to see the decline in both clubs, so I hope the Mitchels revival is successful. A GAA club is not just about winning trophies, but more about being central to a thriving community.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 13, 2023, 04:10:47 PM
Quote from: Newry Mitchels on February 13, 2023, 02:54:32 PM
Hi Folks!!

It has been no secret that Newry Mitchels have been struggling in recent years, but we continue to try field a competitive team in Division 4. Every passing year this is becoming more and more challenging without a stream of underage players coming into the senior setup.

We would like to encourage anyone interesting in playing football this year to come along on Wednesday evening at the Abbey Grammar School @7pm. Whether you haven't played before, or have been away from the game for a long time and want to get back involved we would love to see you!!

We would be grateful if you could spread this message to anyone you think might be interested, this is going to be a pivotal year in the survival of the club.

We are also looking for people to help with the off field administration, please PM if you have any questions.
(//)

Good luck and I wish you all the best. If I was in your position I would be contacting Burren to see if players would go on a years sanction. If you sanctioned a few in would increase the standards and would help Burren as they have too many players. It would be a win/win for both clubs.

That is a topic for the podcast this week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 13, 2023, 06:19:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 13, 2023, 04:10:47 PM
Quote from: Newry Mitchels on February 13, 2023, 02:54:32 PM
Hi Folks!!

It has been no secret that Newry Mitchels have been struggling in recent years, but we continue to try field a competitive team in Division 4. Every passing year this is becoming more and more challenging without a stream of underage players coming into the senior setup.

We would like to encourage anyone interesting in playing football this year to come along on Wednesday evening at the Abbey Grammar School @7pm. Whether you haven't played before, or have been away from the game for a long time and want to get back involved we would love to see you!!

We would be grateful if you could spread this message to anyone you think might be interested, this is going to be a pivotal year in the survival of the club.

We are also looking for people to help with the off field administration, please PM if you have any questions.
(//)

Good luck and I wish you all the best. If I was in your position I would be contacting Burren to see if players would go on a years sanction. If you sanctioned a few in would increase the standards and would help Burren as they have too many players. It would be a win/win for both clubs.

That is a topic for the podcast this week
You truly are a clown.Do you think this is soccer where a player gets a loan deal for a season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 14, 2023, 08:40:13 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 13, 2023, 06:19:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 13, 2023, 04:10:47 PM
Quote from: Newry Mitchels on February 13, 2023, 02:54:32 PM
Hi Folks!!

It has been no secret that Newry Mitchels have been struggling in recent years, but we continue to try field a competitive team in Division 4. Every passing year this is becoming more and more challenging without a stream of underage players coming into the senior setup.

We would like to encourage anyone interesting in playing football this year to come along on Wednesday evening at the Abbey Grammar School @7pm. Whether you haven't played before, or have been away from the game for a long time and want to get back involved we would love to see you!!

We would be grateful if you could spread this message to anyone you think might be interested, this is going to be a pivotal year in the survival of the club.

We are also looking for people to help with the off field administration, please PM if you have any questions.
(//)

Good luck and I wish you all the best. If I was in your position I would be contacting Burren to see if players would go on a years sanction. If you sanctioned a few in would increase the standards and would help Burren as they have too many players. It would be a win/win for both clubs.

That is a topic for the podcast this week
You truly are a clown.Do you think this is soccer where a player gets a loan deal for a season?

If it helps to save a GAA club then I think we would be ok with it. Players get sanctions every year you know. Its not something new to Down GAA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 14, 2023, 09:23:53 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 14, 2023, 08:40:13 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 13, 2023, 06:19:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 13, 2023, 04:10:47 PM
Quote from: Newry Mitchels on February 13, 2023, 02:54:32 PM
Hi Folks!!

It has been no secret that Newry Mitchels have been struggling in recent years, but we continue to try field a competitive team in Division 4. Every passing year this is becoming more and more challenging without a stream of underage players coming into the senior setup.

We would like to encourage anyone interesting in playing football this year to come along on Wednesday evening at the Abbey Grammar School @7pm. Whether you haven't played before, or have been away from the game for a long time and want to get back involved we would love to see you!!

We would be grateful if you could spread this message to anyone you think might be interested, this is going to be a pivotal year in the survival of the club.

We are also looking for people to help with the off field administration, please PM if you have any questions.
(//)

Good luck and I wish you all the best. If I was in your position I would be contacting Burren to see if players would go on a years sanction. If you sanctioned a few in would increase the standards and would help Burren as they have too many players. It would be a win/win for both clubs.

That is a topic for the podcast this week
You truly are a clown.Do you think this is soccer where a player gets a loan deal for a season?

If it helps to save a GAA club then I think we would be ok with it. Players get sanctions every year you know. Its not something new to Down GAA

You learn something every day evidently as I only ever thought a sanction was to allow someone from a football only club to play hurling for another club and vice versa...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 14, 2023, 09:39:59 AM
I haven't looked at the sanction rule but I'd be fairly certain it wasn't devised to serve as a loan system between clubs in the same code.

By the way, anyone who simultaneously holds the view that Burren shouldn't be allowed a second team in the ACFL, but Burren should be able to "loan" players to another club so they then would have the numbers to compete in the ACFL, is a very confused person.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on February 14, 2023, 10:01:11 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 14, 2023, 08:40:13 AM
Quote from: SamFever on February 13, 2023, 06:19:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 13, 2023, 04:10:47 PM
Quote from: Newry Mitchels on February 13, 2023, 02:54:32 PM
Hi Folks!!

It has been no secret that Newry Mitchels have been struggling in recent years, but we continue to try field a competitive team in Division 4. Every passing year this is becoming more and more challenging without a stream of underage players coming into the senior setup.

We would like to encourage anyone interesting in playing football this year to come along on Wednesday evening at the Abbey Grammar School @7pm. Whether you haven't played before, or have been away from the game for a long time and want to get back involved we would love to see you!!

We would be grateful if you could spread this message to anyone you think might be interested, this is going to be a pivotal year in the survival of the club.

We are also looking for people to help with the off field administration, please PM if you have any questions.
(//)

Good luck and I wish you all the best. If I was in your position I would be contacting Burren to see if players would go on a years sanction. If you sanctioned a few in would increase the standards and would help Burren as they have too many players. It would be a win/win for both clubs.

That is a topic for the podcast this week
You truly are a clown.Do you think this is soccer where a player gets a loan deal for a season?

If it helps to save a GAA club then I think we would be ok with it. Players get sanctions every year you know. Its not something new to Down GAA
Keep digging there TH. :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 14, 2023, 07:29:06 PM
Quote from: Newry Mitchels on February 13, 2023, 02:54:32 PM
Hi Folks!!

It has been no secret that Newry Mitchels have been struggling in recent years, but we continue to try field a competitive team in Division 4. Every passing year this is becoming more and more challenging without a stream of underage players coming into the senior setup.

We would like to encourage anyone interesting in playing football this year to come along on Wednesday evening at the Abbey Grammar School @7pm. Whether you haven't played before, or have been away from the game for a long time and want to get back involved we would love to see you!!

We would be grateful if you could spread this message to anyone you think might be interested, this is going to be a pivotal year in the survival of the club.

We are also looking for people to help with the off field administration, please PM if you have any questions.
(//)

Best of luck folks and fair play for continuing to keep the club legacy going. Hopefully you can unearth some new talent and have an enjoyable season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on February 14, 2023, 07:47:59 PM
Best of luck to Mitchels - played against them many times.

The club themselves has suffered a number of times with players upping and going to other local teams. Barry Mc to Ballyholland when he lives a stonesthrow from gerry brown park, conor murphy to saval. both still playing and would have been a huge lift. I'm sure there are plenty others who have done same

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on February 14, 2023, 09:32:48 PM
Quote from: general on February 14, 2023, 07:47:59 PM
Best of luck to Mitchels - played against them many times.

The club themselves has suffered a number of times with players upping and going to other local teams. Barry Mc to Ballyholland when he lives a stonesthrow from gerry brown park, conor murphy to saval. both still playing and would have been a huge lift. I'm sure there are plenty others who have done same



Transfers should be outlawed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 14, 2023, 10:45:48 PM
Will there be many changes to the team for Sunday?

Barry out
Donnach out

Conor Poland into half forward?
Gilmore to start along side Pat and Kerr in full forward line?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Newry Mitchels on February 14, 2023, 11:04:50 PM
The intention of the post was to raise awareness of the clubs current position, and hopefully reach some potential members that may have played before but have fallen away and are unattached to a club!

On a related note, it feels like sporting participation in newry, is down across the board with not just us suffering!  Not only active playing members, but coaches and volunteers would this be a fair assumption? And what are the possible reasons?

Does anyone know if there are any council plans to help improve sporting participation across all sports and age groups?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 15, 2023, 08:37:15 AM
Quote from: Minus15 on February 14, 2023, 09:32:48 PM
Quote from: general on February 14, 2023, 07:47:59 PM
Best of luck to Mitchels - played against them many times.

The club themselves has suffered a number of times with players upping and going to other local teams. Barry Mc to Ballyholland when he lives a stonesthrow from gerry brown park, conor murphy to saval. both still playing and would have been a huge lift. I'm sure there are plenty others who have done same



Transfers should be outlawed.

Oh the Irony  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 15, 2023, 08:39:16 AM
Quote from: Newry Mitchels on February 14, 2023, 11:04:50 PM
The intention of the post was to raise awareness of the clubs current position, and hopefully reach some potential members that may have played before but have fallen away and are unattached to a club!

On a related note, it feels like sporting participation in newry, is down across the board with not just us suffering!  Not only active playing members, but coaches and volunteers would this be a fair assumption? And what are the possible reasons?

Does anyone know if there are any council plans to help improve sporting participation across all sports and age groups?

The council could start by improving GAA sporting facilities across the Newry, Mourne and Down district area.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 15, 2023, 09:24:19 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 15, 2023, 08:39:16 AM
Quote from: Newry Mitchels on February 14, 2023, 11:04:50 PM
The intention of the post was to raise awareness of the clubs current position, and hopefully reach some potential members that may have played before but have fallen away and are unattached to a club!

On a related note, it feels like sporting participation in newry, is down across the board with not just us suffering!  Not only active playing members, but coaches and volunteers would this be a fair assumption? And what are the possible reasons?

Does anyone know if there are any council plans to help improve sporting participation across all sports and age groups?

The council could start by improving GAA sporting facilities across the Newry, Mourne and Down district area.
Do some off the Newry schools not have some of the best facilities in the country?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 15, 2023, 10:54:20 AM
Has anyone a full list of all the managers in the 4 leagues?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 15, 2023, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 15, 2023, 08:39:16 AM
Quote from: Newry Mitchels on February 14, 2023, 11:04:50 PM
The intention of the post was to raise awareness of the clubs current position, and hopefully reach some potential members that may have played before but have fallen away and are unattached to a club!

On a related note, it feels like sporting participation in newry, is down across the board with not just us suffering!  Not only active playing members, but coaches and volunteers would this be a fair assumption? And what are the possible reasons?

Does anyone know if there are any council plans to help improve sporting participation across all sports and age groups?

The council could start by improving GAA sporting facilities across the Newry, Mourne and Down district area.

try living in the Ards and North Down Council Area....

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 15, 2023, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 15, 2023, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 15, 2023, 08:39:16 AM
Quote from: Newry Mitchels on February 14, 2023, 11:04:50 PM
The intention of the post was to raise awareness of the clubs current position, and hopefully reach some potential members that may have played before but have fallen away and are unattached to a club!

On a related note, it feels like sporting participation in newry, is down across the board with not just us suffering!  Not only active playing members, but coaches and volunteers would this be a fair assumption? And what are the possible reasons?

Does anyone know if there are any council plans to help improve sporting participation across all sports and age groups?

The council could start by improving GAA sporting facilities across the Newry, Mourne and Down district area.

try living in the Ards and North Down Council Area....

Is there any GAA owned gaelic pitches in that area?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 15, 2023, 12:05:53 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 15, 2023, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 15, 2023, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 15, 2023, 08:39:16 AM
Quote from: Newry Mitchels on February 14, 2023, 11:04:50 PM
The intention of the post was to raise awareness of the clubs current position, and hopefully reach some potential members that may have played before but have fallen away and are unattached to a club!

On a related note, it feels like sporting participation in newry, is down across the board with not just us suffering!  Not only active playing members, but coaches and volunteers would this be a fair assumption? And what are the possible reasons?

Does anyone know if there are any council plans to help improve sporting participation across all sports and age groups?

The council could start by improving GAA sporting facilities across the Newry, Mourne and Down district area.

try living in the Ards and North Down Council Area....

Is there any GAA owned gaelic pitches in that area?

The only ones in existence are GAA owned..

There are none owned or maintained by the Council I think you meant to enquire about...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 15, 2023, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 15, 2023, 12:05:53 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 15, 2023, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 15, 2023, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 15, 2023, 08:39:16 AM
Quote from: Newry Mitchels on February 14, 2023, 11:04:50 PM
The intention of the post was to raise awareness of the clubs current position, and hopefully reach some potential members that may have played before but have fallen away and are unattached to a club!

On a related note, it feels like sporting participation in newry, is down across the board with not just us suffering!  Not only active playing members, but coaches and volunteers would this be a fair assumption? And what are the possible reasons?

Does anyone know if there are any council plans to help improve sporting participation across all sports and age groups?

The council could start by improving GAA sporting facilities across the Newry, Mourne and Down district area.

try living in the Ards and North Down Council Area....

Is there any GAA owned gaelic pitches in that area?

The only ones in existence are GAA owned..

There are none owned or maintained by the Council I think you meant to enquire about...

Yes that what I meant, that is a total disgrace
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 2badteams on February 15, 2023, 04:02:20 PM
Quote from: general on February 14, 2023, 07:47:59 PM
Best of luck to Mitchels - played against them many times.

The club themselves has suffered a number of times with players upping and going to other local teams. Barry Mc to Ballyholland when he lives a stonesthrow from gerry brown park, conor murphy to saval. both still playing and would have been a huge lift. I'm sure there are plenty others who have done same

Did you not transfer from glenn to lisummon? Fair play, Shane Walsh could learn a thing from the gruelling travelling you are doing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 15, 2023, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 14, 2023, 10:45:48 PM
Will there be many changes to the team for Sunday?

Barry out
Donnach out

Conor Poland into half forward?
Gilmore to start along side Pat and Kerr in full forward line?

Did McAleenan pick up a knock v Antrim?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 16, 2023, 10:54:22 AM


Did McAleenan pick up a knock v Antrim?
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He is in Australia
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 16, 2023, 11:12:16 AM
Long term?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 16, 2023, 11:54:29 AM
Quote from: ardtole on February 16, 2023, 11:12:16 AM
Long term?

Not sure..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 16, 2023, 02:33:29 PM
He has been very impressive this season to date. Hard to imagine putting yourself through a winter pre season only to go after a few games. Unless it was something already planned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on February 17, 2023, 01:52:22 PM
Quote from: ardtole on February 16, 2023, 02:33:29 PM
He has been very impressive this season to date. Hard to imagine putting yourself through a winter pre season only to go after a few games. Unless it was something already planned.

Must be a planned trip. Hopefully back before end of the league or the championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 17, 2023, 01:55:40 PM
Planned trip. He is back the the following week
A few changes expected

O Hare for Kane
McP for McCarthy
Poland for Donnelly

And I'd expect to see one of the Johnstones at some stage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 17, 2023, 01:56:35 PM
How many Johnstons and Brannigans have joined the panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 17, 2023, 06:58:23 PM
Kane
Magill
McEvoy
Laverty
Francis
McParland
Rooney
Donnelly
Murdock
Collins
Miller
Kerr
Doherty
Havern
Gilmore
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on February 19, 2023, 12:59:45 AM
Kane can't play again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 19, 2023, 07:53:44 AM
I don't see Kane starting. Poor against Antrim and O Hare done well previous
Rory Burns has left the squad but was asked back so something not right
Any word how the under 20s done yesterday?
When does the minors start Jesus it's hard to get any information?
It's like everything is a secret
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 19, 2023, 08:12:08 AM
I think the u20s were beat by 4. Not a mention of the game on social media tho, most other counties naming their squads, Down don't even announce they have a  home game. Its like they don't want fans to turn up and support. Been like this for years, brutal compared to likes of Antrim or Tyrone on social media.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 19, 2023, 01:47:04 PM
Brutal 1st half from Down, has to improve drastically in 2nd half in order to salvage 2pts from this game! MF getting cleaned out, and the 2 subs they've made haven't helped so far at all. Defence looks miles off it, big 35mins coming up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 19, 2023, 02:42:46 PM
Bad, bad defensive performance from Down this afternoon. Its all well and good being able to score at one end but you can't be conceding 2-17 and 2-14 in games and expect to always get away with it. Eventually we have to let go of this idea of playing midfielders and forwards as defenders. Too many times Down players got turnt too easily by their opponent. Even midfield as good as they are on the ball really struggled to win any primary possession from either kick outs.

Also what was the craic with McCabe was a late change for Miller but miller seemed to be on very quickly and no mention of a sub from the commentary. Did he not start at all?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on February 19, 2023, 02:46:42 PM
To be fair all I can say is Division 3 is a fair place for Down to be in. We are no worse but certainly no better than the teams there and would be serious effort to get out of the Division this year. Kudos to all for effort and structure, we are in a better position than last year but then that should be the least expected and maybe not as far forward as we had hoped.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on February 19, 2023, 03:11:10 PM
alot of tinkering going on for not much end result , same last week where a load of changes made early which would mean the wrong team started . ohare must be injured cant understand it otherwise
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 19, 2023, 08:32:38 PM
Millar didn't start no - was replaced by Annett and Gerdy Collins replaced by McCormick.
Very poor display today even though we scored rightly. Are we any better off than last year where we played a higher division against better opposition all season? I'm not so sure. Westmeath, Offaly, Longford and Cavan remain. Will we get 8 points here - I can't see it.
5 Kilcoo players used today so we can't accuse them of not committing this year with 3 Johnston's back training too. Donnelly and McParland were poor and for gods sake could our supporters please learn the rules - it's embarrassing the amount of grown men who shout for a black card for every single tackle made against Down. Some of these men are in hefty positions within their clubs - you would think they might know the rules of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 19, 2023, 08:37:14 PM
That was a massive blow to our promotion chances today. Arguably tougher games against West Meath and Cavan lie ahead so 2 points was a must today even to knock Fermanagh out of the race. Its seriously tight now and looking to sat night I'd say its a must win. Kane will know himself he f**ked up and that 2 games in a row where he's been at fault for goals. I don't understand why Ohare was dropped. Still no reliable free taker which is obviously gonna cost you. Serious opening 20 mins of the second half but not enough to win a game. Probably need to be on top for 40/45 mins. Need a big crowd and serious support come sat night. Keep the faith.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 19, 2023, 09:01:04 PM
Today was a thrilling contest with an incredible number of defensive mistakes on both sides. McCabe started but seemed to take a knock and was replaced by Millar early on. We are running out of midfielders as Donnelly, Poland and McParland all struggled and Murdock had a rare off day. D3 is going to the wire and we could easily lose out on scoring difference. A win on Saturday night is essential if we are to stay in contention.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on February 19, 2023, 10:24:42 PM
Yeah agree defence is a problem. When we has our noses in front in the second half I would have expected us to see it out but a bad goal to give away...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on February 19, 2023, 11:16:54 PM
Earlier poster mentioned O'hare was injured but he has been on the bench the last two games so can't be too bad. The people questioning Kane's inclusion in the team are the same ones calling Laverty a god send. Can't have it both ways, either he's making the right calls or he's not. Heard that O'Hare struggled massively in training games and friendlies before McKenna Cup, then put some decent performances in after that. If Rory Burns has been asked back after leaving the panel, it tells you all you need to know about the headache for CL in terms of his no1. Expect Kane to bounce back after that, every keeper makes mistakes. Didn't deserve to win last game or win today, so 2pts from those games is a bonus.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 19, 2023, 11:17:11 PM
It's easy to criticise the defence, but here's the thing. Same defence were one unfortunate goalkeeping mistake away from giving the forwards platform enough to win the match.

There's definitely a change ongoing in the county game, which has been building for a couple of years and is becoming clearer now. After Jimmy ruined football it was inevitable that forward play and movement would have to get better and (thankfully) kind of inevitable that mostly everyone involved would get bored shitless with endless ball retention before trying to snatch the game late.

More and more county teams are now playing like Mayo have the past decade, ie if a smell of a counter attack arises, then go hell and leather for it. And when a team moves it at speed and has their shooting boots on, it's bloody difficult to defend against.

Put two teams playing this way on the same field and for the first time in a generation, winning midfield is of genuine importance. That's got to be Down's focus. I fancy we would already go toe to toe with most of D2. But only if we go to toe to toe or better at midfield.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: An Astrail on February 20, 2023, 02:55:28 AM
The defence looked to me as though they are still in the process of adapting to new structures. The deeper defence in the first half worked well for a while until Fermanagh were able to work out where the spare man was once the man on the ball got swamped. I think there's a fair bit of upside if they can get better at spotting and eliminating the options for the ball to be moved out in the way it was. That run of 4 or 5 points in the back end of the first half was the killer in the end.

Entertaining game all the same.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 20, 2023, 09:24:39 AM
Poor defensively, I would like to see a few Brannigan's in there for Saturday. I would also put in O'Hare or even give Smyth a chance, he played a good sweeper keeper role for St Marys in the Sigerson this year and is good on the ball.

Disappointing to hear the u20 were beaten, I was raging when I heard it was on as i would have went to it. We need coverage of all our county teams and not just the county senior footballers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 20, 2023, 09:25:38 AM
Goalkeeper and defence needs looked at. Arguably our best 2 performances came from when O Hare was in nets. He was stripped and kicking yesterday

Team v Westmeath

1 O Hare
2 Magill
3 Collins
4 Laverty
5 Brannigan Clond
6 McEvoy
7 McCormack
8 Annett
9 Murdock
10 Doherty
11 Donnacha
12 Kerr
13 Gilmore
14 Havern
15 Rooney

16 Burns
17 McCarthy
18 Walshe
19 Millar
20 McParland
21 Donnelly
22 Johnstone
23 Johnstone
24 Johnstone

McParland and Donnelly no longer have the legs for county football. They went well in the McKenna cup as other teams were not at our level. Good men to come on to see out the game. That goal maybe doesn't happen if both are on the field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 20, 2023, 09:37:55 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 20, 2023, 09:25:38 AM
Goalkeeper and defence needs looked at. Arguably our best 2 performances came from when O Hare was in nets. He was stripped and kicking yesterday

Team v Westmeath

1 O Hare
2 Magill
3 Collins
4 Laverty
5 Brannigan Clond
6 McEvoy
7 McCormack
8 Annett
9 Murdock
10 Doherty
11 Donnacha
12 Kerr
13 Gilmore
14 Havern
15 Rooney

16 Burns
17 McCarthy
18 Walshe
19 Millar
20 McParland
21 Donnelly
22 Johnstone
23 Johnstone
24 Johnstone

McParland and Donnelly no longer have the legs for county football. They went well in the McKenna cup as other teams were not at our level. Good men to come on to see out the game. That goal maybe doesn't happen if both are on the field.


Not a bad team but mcAleenan is in Austrailia and Burns is not on the panel. If Dabs and Eugene are on the squad I would start them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on February 20, 2023, 10:14:36 AM
Smurfy, Francis got his third goal in five games from wing back yesterday - are you suggesting he should be dropped from the matchday squad ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 20, 2023, 05:24:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 20, 2023, 09:37:55 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 20, 2023, 09:25:38 AM
Goalkeeper and defence needs looked at. Arguably our best 2 performances came from when O Hare was in nets. He was stripped and kicking yesterday

Team v Westmeath

1 O Hare
2 Magill
3 Collins
4 Laverty
5 Brannigan Clond
6 McEvoy
7 McCormack
8 Annett
9 Murdock
10 Doherty
11 Donnacha
12 Kerr
13 Gilmore
14 Havern
15 Rooney

16 Burns
17 McCarthy
18 Walshe
19 Millar
20 McParland
21 Donnelly
22 Johnstone
23 Johnstone
24 Johnstone

McParland and Donnelly no longer have the legs for county football. They went well in the McKenna cup as other teams were not at our level. Good men to come on to see out the game. That goal maybe doesn't happen if both are on the field.


Not a bad team but mcAleenan is in Austrailia and Burns is not on the panel. If Dabs and Eugene are on the squad I would start them.
Are they even training with the county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on February 20, 2023, 10:02:18 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 20, 2023, 05:24:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 20, 2023, 09:37:55 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 20, 2023, 09:25:38 AM
Goalkeeper and defence needs looked at. Arguably our best 2 performances came from when O Hare was in nets. He was stripped and kicking yesterday

Team v Westmeath

1 O Hare
2 Magill
3 Collins
4 Laverty
5 Brannigan Clond
6 McEvoy
7 McCormack
8 Annett
9 Murdock
10 Doherty
11 Donnacha
12 Kerr
13 Gilmore
14 Havern
15 Rooney

16 Burns
17 McCarthy
18 Walshe
19 Millar
20 McParland
21 Donnelly
22 Johnstone
23 Johnstone
24 Johnstone

McParland and Donnelly no longer have the legs for county football. They went well in the McKenna cup as other teams were not at our level. Good men to come on to see out the game. That goal maybe doesn't happen if both are on the field.


Not a bad team but mcAleenan is in Austrailia and Burns is not on the panel. If Dabs and Eugene are on the squad I would start them.
Are they even training with the county?


No but don't let the truth ruin a good story!!!
#spoofer
#bs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 21, 2023, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on February 20, 2023, 10:02:18 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 20, 2023, 05:24:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 20, 2023, 09:37:55 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 20, 2023, 09:25:38 AM
Goalkeeper and defence needs looked at. Arguably our best 2 performances came from when O Hare was in nets. He was stripped and kicking yesterday

Team v Westmeath

1 O Hare
2 Magill
3 Collins
4 Laverty
5 Brannigan Clond
6 McEvoy
7 McCormack
8 Annett
9 Murdock
10 Doherty
11 Donnacha
12 Kerr
13 Gilmore
14 Havern
15 Rooney

16 Burns
17 McCarthy
18 Walshe
19 Millar
20 McParland
21 Donnelly
22 Johnstone
23 Johnstone
24 Johnstone

McParland and Donnelly no longer have the legs for county football. They went well in the McKenna cup as other teams were not at our level. Good men to come on to see out the game. That goal maybe doesn't happen if both are on the field.


Not a bad team but mcAleenan is in Austrailia and Burns is not on the panel. If Dabs and Eugene are on the squad I would start them.
Are they even training with the county?


No but don't let the truth ruin a good story!!!
#spoofer
#bs

Apologies I was told that the 3 Johnston's and 2 Brannigan's were in.
I know now  that the 3 Johnston's are training ,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 21, 2023, 11:52:23 AM
The 3 Johnstones are training hard2listen2

Time to get them in

Yes Francis would start that's an oversight

Big game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 21, 2023, 11:54:16 AM
My weekend team for this must win game :

1. Charlie Smyth
2. Gerard Collins
3. Ryan McAvoy
4. Pierce laverty
5. Miceal Rooney
6. Ryan Magill
7. Conor Francis
8. Odhran Murdock
9. Shane Annett
10. Shealan J
11. Ryan J
12. Liam Kerr
13. Jerome J
14. Big Pat
15. Gilly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 21, 2023, 12:58:11 PM
I am trying to devise a list of all the GAA council pitches in The Newry council area.

Dunleath
Rosconnor
Dundrum
Annsborough
Derryleckagh
St Colmans
Jack Mackin
Gerry Brown
Milltown
Drumgath ?


Am I missing any other grounds?
As rate payers in the North we are being shafted by the councils in comparisons to soccer and more needs to be done about it.

Also is there really no GAA pitches in the ards area, if not then this needs to be raised more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 22, 2023, 09:29:24 AM
Johnnysboy and Smurfy

Why is there so many transfers away from your club this season?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 22, 2023, 11:52:52 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 21, 2023, 12:58:11 PM
I am trying to devise a list of all the GAA council pitches in The Newry council area.

Dunleath
Rosconnor
Dundrum
Annsborough
Derryleckagh
St Colmans
Jack Mackin
Gerry Brown
Milltown
Drumgath ?


Am I missing any other grounds?
As rate payers in the North we are being shafted by the councils in comparisons to soccer and more needs to be done about it.

Also is there really no GAA pitches in the ards area, if not then this needs to be raised more.

Kilbroney, if you can call it a pitch.

Soccer not much better mind.

Most Gaelic clubs have their own main pitch, most junior soccer clubs don't.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: harryR on February 22, 2023, 12:58:30 PM
Which kilcoo players are definitely training with the seniors at the minute then? Or is alot of the names just rumours
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on February 22, 2023, 01:19:45 PM
Niall kane
Miceal Rooney
Anthony Morgan
Ryan Mcevoy
Jerome + Ryan + shealan J
Ceilum Doherty

Only Branagan on the panel is Patrick from Clonduff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 22, 2023, 02:09:18 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 22, 2023, 11:52:52 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 21, 2023, 12:58:11 PM
I am trying to devise a list of all the GAA council pitches in The Newry council area.

Dunleath
Rosconnor
Dundrum
Annsborough
Derryleckagh
St Colmans
Jack Mackin
Gerry Brown
Milltown
Drumgath ?


Am I missing any other grounds?
As rate payers in the North we are being shafted by the councils in comparisons to soccer and more needs to be done about it.

Also is there really no GAA pitches in the ards area, if not then this needs to be raised more.

Kilbroney, if you can call it a pitch.

Soccer not much better mind.

Most Gaelic clubs have their own main pitch, most junior soccer clubs don't.

GAA clubs have their own facilities due to hard work and a lot of fundraising.

Junior soccer expect soccer pitches.

GAA club don't expect pitches but at the next election these questions need to be put to our elected reps.

Is Kilbroney getting upgraded or are the tree huggers/middle class blow ins still stopping the kids of Rostrevor adequate facilities?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 22, 2023, 05:02:51 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2023, 09:29:24 AM
Johnnysboy and Smurfy

Why is there so many transfers away from your club this season?
How do you know how many transfers there are? Are these available to view anywhere?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 22, 2023, 09:26:55 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2023, 02:09:18 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 22, 2023, 11:52:52 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 21, 2023, 12:58:11 PM
I am trying to devise a list of all the GAA council pitches in The Newry council area.

Dunleath
Rosconnor
Dundrum
Annsborough
Derryleckagh
St Colmans
Jack Mackin
Gerry Brown
Milltown
Drumgath ?


Am I missing any other grounds?
As rate payers in the North we are being shafted by the councils in comparisons to soccer and more needs to be done about it.

Also is there really no GAA pitches in the ards area, if not then this needs to be raised more.

Kilbroney, if you can call it a pitch.

Soccer not much better mind.

Most Gaelic clubs have their own main pitch, most junior soccer clubs don't.

GAA clubs have their own facilities due to hard work and a lot of fundraising.

Junior soccer expect soccer pitches.

GAA club don't expect pitches but at the next election these questions need to be put to our elected reps.

Is Kilbroney getting upgraded or are the tree huggers/middle class blow ins still stopping the kids of Rostrevor adequate facilities?

Junior soccer clubs don't "expect" pitches. Most junior soccer clubs are not ingrained within a community, with several generations playing and volunteering at a club as we have with the GAA. Most junior soccer clubs' first teams change year after year as players move between them, and often their underage teams see players chopping and changing clubs without having a particular loyalty or desire to represent a particular club. To expect them to have the structures and people in place to raise hundreds of thousands for their own facilities is ridiculous. That was just a nonsensical statement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 23, 2023, 11:38:22 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 22, 2023, 05:02:51 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2023, 09:29:24 AM
Johnnysboy and Smurfy

Why is there so many transfers away from your club this season?
How do you know how many transfers there are? Are these available to view anywhere?

On the gaa website
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 23, 2023, 11:41:44 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 22, 2023, 09:26:55 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2023, 02:09:18 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 22, 2023, 11:52:52 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 21, 2023, 12:58:11 PM
I am trying to devise a list of all the GAA council pitches in The Newry council area.

Dunleath
Rosconnor
Dundrum
Annsborough
Derryleckagh
St Colmans
Jack Mackin
Gerry Brown
Milltown
Drumgath ?


Am I missing any other grounds?
As rate payers in the North we are being shafted by the councils in comparisons to soccer and more needs to be done about it.

Also is there really no GAA pitches in the ards area, if not then this needs to be raised more.

Kilbroney, if you can call it a pitch.

Soccer not much better mind.

Most Gaelic clubs have their own main pitch, most junior soccer clubs don't.

GAA clubs have their own facilities due to hard work and a lot of fundraising.

Junior soccer expect soccer pitches.

GAA club don't expect pitches but at the next election these questions need to be put to our elected reps.

Is Kilbroney getting upgraded or are the tree huggers/middle class blow ins still stopping the kids of Rostrevor adequate facilities?

Junior soccer clubs don't "expect" pitches. Most junior soccer clubs are not ingrained within a community, with several generations playing and volunteering at a club as we have with the GAA. Most junior soccer clubs' first teams change year after year as players move between them, and often their underage teams see players chopping and changing clubs without having a particular loyalty or desire to represent a particular club. To expect them to have the structures and people in place to raise hundreds of thousands for their own facilities is ridiculous. That was just a nonsensical statement.

So Junior clubs expect council pitches then, they need council pitches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on February 23, 2023, 01:37:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 23, 2023, 11:38:22 AM
Quote from: rosskarr on February 22, 2023, 05:02:51 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2023, 09:29:24 AM
Johnnysboy and Smurfy

Why is there so many transfers away from your club this season?
How do you know how many transfers there are? Are these available to view anywhere?

On the gaa website
   I can only see inter County trnsfers on GAA.ie . Can you post the link please?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 23, 2023, 01:37:37 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 23, 2023, 11:41:44 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 22, 2023, 09:26:55 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 22, 2023, 02:09:18 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 22, 2023, 11:52:52 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 21, 2023, 12:58:11 PM
I am trying to devise a list of all the GAA council pitches in The Newry council area.

Dunleath
Rosconnor
Dundrum
Annsborough
Derryleckagh
St Colmans
Jack Mackin
Gerry Brown
Milltown
Drumgath ?


Am I missing any other grounds?
As rate payers in the North we are being shafted by the councils in comparisons to soccer and more needs to be done about it.

Also is there really no GAA pitches in the ards area, if not then this needs to be raised more.

Kilbroney, if you can call it a pitch.

Soccer not much better mind.

Most Gaelic clubs have their own main pitch, most junior soccer clubs don't.

GAA clubs have their own facilities due to hard work and a lot of fundraising.

Junior soccer expect soccer pitches.

GAA club don't expect pitches but at the next election these questions need to be put to our elected reps.

Is Kilbroney getting upgraded or are the tree huggers/middle class blow ins still stopping the kids of Rostrevor adequate facilities?

Junior soccer clubs don't "expect" pitches. Most junior soccer clubs are not ingrained within a community, with several generations playing and volunteering at a club as we have with the GAA. Most junior soccer clubs' first teams change year after year as players move between them, and often their underage teams see players chopping and changing clubs without having a particular loyalty or desire to represent a particular club. To expect them to have the structures and people in place to raise hundreds of thousands for their own facilities is ridiculous. That was just a nonsensical statement.

So Junior clubs expect council pitches then, they need council pitches.

You really aren't making a coherent argument about anything here, as you are comparing two completely different things.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 23, 2023, 01:57:21 PM
My point is that the councils build pitches for junior soccer. But because they GAA always have looked after themselves the councils don't push as money towards us.

The Lgfa is getting bigger every year and this is putting huge pressure on club grounds . We need to demand more access to GAA pitches from our councillers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 23, 2023, 06:06:41 PM
Good luck with that one Truth. NMD isn't anti GAA. It seems to basically be anti leisure pursuits. The sporting facilities and amenities in our council area are third world compared to those in neighbouring council areas. This very much includes junior soccer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 23, 2023, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 23, 2023, 01:57:21 PM
My point is that the councils build pitches for junior soccer. But because they GAA always have looked after themselves the councils don't push as money towards us.

The Lgfa is getting bigger every year and this is putting huge pressure on club grounds . We need to demand more access to GAA pitches from our councillers.

This is a really strange argument/perspective/issue/observation. The council has pitches for junior soccer because they have nowhere to play the sport if they don't have some sort of provision from the Council. GAA clubs have at least one pitch of the their own each. Yes we can always do with more facilities but to be looking towards the council for this is strange. Is it not an aim/goal/challenge for any GAA club to grown their own 'home', facilities etc? To add to wobblers point, the pitches for soccer around NMD Council area are extremely limited. You only have to look at how many games are called off November - Feb every year for proof of that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 24, 2023, 09:05:10 AM
Of course its an aim to grow facilities but the council should be trying to provide extra pitches for the GAA.

The biggest problem at the minute and will be a bigger problem in years to come is having facilities to play and train for our games.

How many teams are struggling with facilities at the minute without floodlights, as taxpayers we should be demanding for 3g pitches in almost large towns in the NMD area.

The sporting facilties in this area are a disgrace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on February 24, 2023, 10:41:37 AM
I don't think many teams would be struggling.
70% of clubs got some work done this past 10 years and have fully floodlite lights and a second pitch
Kilcoo Clonduff Dromara Ballymartin Mayobridge Burren CPN Bright to name a few
Ballyholland would be struggling from what I hear
A question for wobbler and a genuine one would Ballyholland not have been better to build a wee pitch where the stand is and floodlight it? Is the stand necessary when you could have had a pitch. This is only from someone looking in I could be totally wrong
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 24, 2023, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 24, 2023, 10:41:37 AM
I don't think many teams would be struggling.
70% of clubs got some work done this past 10 years and have fully floodlite lights and a second pitch
Kilcoo Clonduff Dromara Ballymartin Mayobridge Burren CPN Bright to name a few
Ballyholland would be struggling from what I hear
A question for wobbler and a genuine one would Ballyholland not have been better to build a wee pitch where the stand is and floodlight it? Is the stand necessary when you could have had a pitch. This is only from someone looking in I could be totally wrong

Would Warrenpoint not struggle without St Marks and Milltown?

What would happen if clubs like Rostrevor, Burren etc started looking access to St Marks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 24, 2023, 01:39:08 PM
Tomorrow night against West Meath is a must win IMO to keep our chances of promotion alive.  If Ryan Johnston is training he should start.  He offers more that all our forwards with the exception of Pat Havern and Liam kerr who have been excellent.  Great ball carrier and has a bit of muscle for round the middle sector.  I think Fermangh bullied us a bit.  Gilmour has been going well too and should also start leaving 2 forward slots up for grabs. Think Donnelly will get another chance with Murdock in the middle, GK selection will be interesting.  Definitely the biggest game so far under Laverty's short tenure.  Lets get behind the lads.  GAA recognise its a big game too with the appointment of Gough as referee, arguably the best ref in Ireland over the last 10 years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on February 24, 2023, 02:23:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 24, 2023, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 24, 2023, 10:41:37 AM
I don't think many teams would be struggling.
70% of clubs got some work done this past 10 years and have fully floodlite lights and a second pitch
Kilcoo Clonduff Dromara Ballymartin Mayobridge Burren CPN Bright to name a few
Ballyholland would be struggling from what I hear
A question for wobbler and a genuine one would Ballyholland not have been better to build a wee pitch where the stand is and floodlight it? Is the stand necessary when you could have had a pitch. This is only from someone looking in I could be totally wrong

Would Warrenpoint not struggle without St Marks and Milltown?

What would happen if clubs like Rostrevor, Burren etc started looking access to St Marks?

I've heard even recently that Longstone are using derryleckagh playing fields, I'm by no means suggesting that they aren't allowed to if you book it work away. But with the amount of clubs round the Kilkeel area is there no facilities closer for them? Even if not round that area you'd think the likes of Newcastle or even Castlewellan would be closer
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on February 24, 2023, 02:32:09 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 24, 2023, 10:41:37 AM
I don't think many teams would be struggling.
70% of clubs got some work done this past 10 years and have fully floodlite lights and a second pitch
Kilcoo Clonduff Dromara Ballymartin Mayobridge Burren CPN Bright to name a few
Ballyholland would be struggling from what I hear
A question for wobbler and a genuine one would Ballyholland not have been better to build a wee pitch where the stand is and floodlight it? Is the stand necessary when you could have had a pitch. This is only from someone looking in I could be totally wrong

Would agree with TH, most Gaa clubs have in excess of 10 teams and with hurling camogie and Lgfa all requiring pitch time, there aren't enough hours in the day to accommodate these teams on two pitches never mind one . With drying up of grant funding and difficulty developing a second pitch NMD need to be offering more GAA pitches. In the Downpatrick area the redhigh is unbookable due to demand , and summer closure, and Dunleath now has no GAA pitch. This should be re-provided urgently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 24, 2023, 09:36:22 PM

Would Warrenpoint not struggle without St Marks and Milltown?

What would happen if clubs like Rostrevor, Burren etc started looking access to St Marks?
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They wouldn't get it as it's our facility for the foreseeable. We have a 25 year agreement in place with the school that is only 9 years active. So we have plenty of time remaining. Without the school and Milltown we would be in trouble for sure. The sooner phase two of the development at Moygannon starts the better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 25, 2023, 12:45:18 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 24, 2023, 10:41:37 AM
I don't think many teams would be struggling.
70% of clubs got some work done this past 10 years and have fully floodlite lights and a second pitch
Kilcoo Clonduff Dromara Ballymartin Mayobridge Burren CPN Bright to name a few
Ballyholland would be struggling from what I hear
A question for wobbler and a genuine one would Ballyholland not have been better to build a wee pitch where the stand is and floodlight it? Is the stand necessary when you could have had a pitch. This is only from someone looking in I could be totally wrong

Harps are now in the 4th year of a planning battle to build a second field that runs behind the stand. We need to take a few metres of bog (we own) to make this happen and it continues to be the falling down point. We are in the unfortunate position that the needs of newts and bats moving a couple of metres, has somehow trumped the needs of a community.

You honestly couldn't make it up. But that's where we are at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 25, 2023, 01:34:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 25, 2023, 12:45:18 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on February 24, 2023, 10:41:37 AM
I don't think many teams would be struggling.
70% of clubs got some work done this past 10 years and have fully floodlite lights and a second pitch
Kilcoo Clonduff Dromara Ballymartin Mayobridge Burren CPN Bright to name a few
Ballyholland would be struggling from what I hear
A question for wobbler and a genuine one would Ballyholland not have been better to build a wee pitch where the stand is and floodlight it? Is the stand necessary when you could have had a pitch. This is only from someone looking in I could be totally wrong

Harps are now in the 4th year of a planning battle to build a second field that runs behind the stand. We need to take a few metres of bog (we own) to make this happen and it continues to be the falling down point. We are in the unfortunate position that the needs of newts and bats moving a couple of metres, has somehow trumped the needs of a community.

You honestly couldn't make it up. But that's where we are at.
it's not as if it's a known fact that bog is usually protected.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 25, 2023, 07:14:53 PM
Kilcoo not doing great against Westmeath in Newry tonight, getting beat by 6 with 20 to go.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 25, 2023, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: Lotto on February 25, 2023, 07:14:53 PM
Kilcoo not doing great against Westmeath in Newry tonight, getting beat by 6 with 20 to go.
:-X
Dragged over the line by Kilcoo in the end
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on February 25, 2023, 07:40:14 PM
Well done Kilcoo tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 25, 2023, 07:44:46 PM
Big result.

Down's developed stones for the first time in years. Well done lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on February 25, 2023, 08:47:15 PM
Great result. Pressure was on Down and lavery tonight particularly with the changes  in second half with a number of kilcoo lads introduced. At lot of folk ready to criticise but it worked out in the end. Tough match against cavan next week but we are well capable of getting a result in breffni.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 25, 2023, 08:47:42 PM
Big result, some turnaround in last 20 minutes. Looked a lost cause when Westmeath were 7 or 8 up. Down just couldn't work a score and were getting turned over easily time after time.  Subs definitely made a difference and the crowd really got behind the team, great atmosphere in those last 5 minutes.
Lotto must be raging
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 25, 2023, 10:04:22 PM
I thought Ryan Johnson made a considerable difference when he came on tonight, in the past I thought he flattered to deceive at times, at county level. But he looked the part tonight.

Murdock and Doherty had their best games this year while Havern and Kerr until late on were quiet enough. Gilmore is very promising, always poses a goal threat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 25, 2023, 10:33:23 PM
Great result tonight. I just love the way Gilmore has only one thing on his mind when he gets the ball - what's my shortest route to goal - taking the man on - no problem.. he is difficult to dispossess when in possession. Murdock was good and the introduction of the Kilcoo trio in the second half left us with a platform to go win the game. Third goalkeeper used this season - are we any closer to finding a suitable number one for the team?
Brown, Collins and A Doherty were below parr and how many chances is McParland going to get before they realise he is past his best at this level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on February 26, 2023, 07:57:23 AM
Great result last night. Some people just love a complaint on here. Of course a Kilcoo manager is going to use Kilcoo players, luckily for us they are all Ireland winners and we should squeeze every bit out of them as we can. First 30 minutes was a lot better defensively, Mc Parland, Antony Dothery and Collins clearly on to shore up. Black card meant Down were run over for 8 mins and conceded 4/5.

Great to have real quality coming off the bench and finishing games in a flurry, we couldn start and maintain that frantic pace/shape every game. We got lucky in the second half at times but great to get a win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on February 26, 2023, 09:24:14 AM
Quote from: Lotto on February 25, 2023, 07:40:14 PM
Well done Kilcoo tonight
very immature. We have all wanted the best players in county to be available for selection and it's idiots like you coming up with stupid comments like that . Wise up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on February 26, 2023, 10:08:32 AM
We need the best players in down working together and fighting for positions. Liam kerr and oran murdock are the key men for Down but it clear they need help if we are to progress and Ryan Johnston cetainly helped a lot when introduced. I think also Sheelan Johnston would be a good impact sub if his head is right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 27, 2023, 09:02:50 AM
Is Lotto still sore?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on February 27, 2023, 09:28:11 AM
Great finish by Down, subs defiantly made an impact. Worry about Jerome Johnstone though as he looked off the pace. Down really need to find a full and centre back to steady up the back and also a target man at full forward..  Lots of direct ball played in the first half with WMeath full back dealing with comfortably.. Also ff Heslin got more ball we would have been in big trouble as seemed to glide through easy when he got quick ball. If only Down can perform for a full match be a match for most teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 27, 2023, 10:16:22 AM
Saturday showed us that in the modern game you need to be athletic at fit. Charlie in nets pushed up in the second half and gave the Westmeath keeper with little options, this is why he should be number 1.
McEvoy and Laverty offers plenty of pace. Unfortunately Niall struggles with the drier ground. Murdock is the man around the middle but we need another like him. Gilmore has to start every game and Ryan Johnston is a certain starter for me. Jerome looks off the pace and even struggled for Kilcoo last year.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 27, 2023, 10:28:04 AM
Morgan could be an option at 6, Havern seems to have lost a bit of form since OHagan got injured, they worked well together.

Is Peter Fegan due back soon?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 27, 2023, 10:53:08 AM
team v Cavan
1. Smyth
2. Collins
3. McAvoy
4. Laverty
5. Morgan
6. Magill
7. Eugene Brannigan
8. Murdock
9. Mason
10. Kerr
11. Ryan J
12. Wee doc
13.Jerome
14. Big Pat
15. Gilly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on February 27, 2023, 12:38:08 PM
That's a good 15. Agree I think Charlie smith is a good option because mainly he comes out the field. I not convinced on Jerome yet but maybe a last 20 min sub appearance. The team still needs to find someone who can reliably pop the 50s over and hit frees from both side.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 27, 2023, 01:16:39 PM
3 keepers in 4 games so that position is up for grabs. Ryan Magill has impressed since he's come in.  I also thought Shane Annett done ok last week in Fermanagh and would like to see him get another chance. We aren't overly physical and the middle sector is a concern.  Young Murdock is a quality player but can't expect a 19 yr old do do it all.  Agree JJ looked rusty but that will diminish with more training and game time. Ryan J gives us something different and I was happy to see him introduced.  Cavan away is likely to be the toughest game. In the words of Napoleon I would rather have a general who was lucky than one who was good... the luck seems to be with Lav at the win so lets roll with it! He isn't afraid to make a change and I'm certain those players got a serious bollocking at half time.  Fair play to him.  A win in Breffini and we could be looking at Div 2. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 27, 2023, 01:43:58 PM
Is Liam Middleton injured?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on February 27, 2023, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 27, 2023, 10:53:08 AM
team v Cavan
1. Smyth
2. Collins
3. McAvoy
4. Laverty
5. Morgan
6. Magill
7. Eugene Brannigan
8. Murdock
9. Mason
10. Kerr
11. Ryan J
12. Wee doc
13.Jerome
14. Big Pat
15. Gilly

Is eugene in the squad? And Rory mason at midfield?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 27, 2023, 10:22:21 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 27, 2023, 10:53:08 AM
team v Cavan
1. Smyth
2. Collins
3. McAvoy
4. Laverty
5. Morgan
6. Magill
7. Eugene Brannigan
8. Murdock
9. Mason
10. Kerr
11. Ryan J
12. Wee doc
13.Jerome
14. Big Pat
15. Gilly

My god we were crying on here for Kilcoo players to commit and now we have 8 and some people still name a Kilcoo player in starting 15 who is not even training with the squad. When will it end..
I would put Ryan McEvoy in midfield and Niall Donnelly into full back - has experience playing there and doesn't need to drive up the pitch as often as McEvoy. How can you start Collins after that performance on Saturday night is beyond me and Mason is a decent player - but 100% not a county midfielder!
But it's opinions I suppose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 28, 2023, 07:16:18 AM
Is Ruairi O'Hare from Saul not involved at all or is he injured?
Could be an option at 14, and allow Pat to MF if needed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 28, 2023, 07:56:10 AM
I heard that OHare was ill over Christmas/new year but was due to return to the panel. Whether he has or not though I don't know.

Donnelly picked up a knock v Fermanagh so I'm not sure if he would be available v Cavan.

From reading a few of the Cavan match reports, McVeety at 6 seems to be very influential for Cavan to date, and Lynch who had an impressive debut season last year returned last week at ff and had 10 points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 28, 2023, 08:40:03 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 27, 2023, 10:22:21 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 27, 2023, 10:53:08 AM
team v Cavan
1. Smyth
2. Collins
3. McAvoy
4. Laverty
5. Morgan
6. Magill
7. Eugene Brannigan
8. Murdock
9. Mason
10. Kerr
11. Ryan J
12. Wee doc
13.Jerome
14. Big Pat
15. Gilly

My god we were crying on here for Kilcoo players to commit and now we have 8 and some people still name a Kilcoo player in starting 15 who is not even training with the squad. When will it end..
I would put Ryan McEvoy in midfield and Niall Donnelly into full back - has experience playing there and doesn't need to drive up the pitch as often as McEvoy. How can you start Collins after that performance on Saturday night is beyond me and Mason is a decent player - but 100% not a county midfielder!
But it's opinions I suppose.

Eugene was at training last week. You should listen more in the staff room ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 28, 2023, 08:41:03 AM
Cavan look a serious outfit. It will be a tough place to go and get a result. With longford at home and Offaly away to follow promotion is in our hands. But if cavan win this weekend then how focused will they be last day against fermanagh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 28, 2023, 10:24:34 AM
You would have to make Fermanagh slight favourites to sneak ahead of us in the race for promotion. They have the head to head in their favour too.

Their last 3 games are at home to Tipp and Westmeath and last game away to Cavan who in all likelihood will be promoted. They have ridden their luck particularly in the last 2 games so maybe that will even out a bit in the home straight.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on February 28, 2023, 12:00:32 PM
Quote from: ardtole on February 28, 2023, 10:24:34 AM
You would have to make Fermanagh slight favourites to sneak ahead of us in the race for promotion. They have the head to head in their favour too.

Their last 3 games are at home to Tipp and Westmeath and last game away to Cavan who in all likelihood will be promoted. They have ridden their luck particularly in the last 2 games so maybe that will even out a bit in the home straight.

Haven't we done the exact same vs Antrim and Westmeath??  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 28, 2023, 12:21:16 PM
We were caught by a sucker punch v Fermanagh in between though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on February 28, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
The cavan game is key so a big 70 minutes football needed. We havent played well yet for the full 70 so if we can get the big performance then we will win the game and we then stand a very good chance of promotion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on February 28, 2023, 09:17:04 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 27, 2023, 10:22:21 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 27, 2023, 10:53:08 AM
team v Cavan
1. Smyth
2. Collins
3. McAvoy
4. Laverty
5. Morgan
6. Magill
7. Eugene Brannigan
8. Murdock
9. Mason
10. Kerr
11. Ryan J
12. Wee doc
13.Jerome
14. Big Pat
15. Gilly

My god we were crying on here for Kilcoo players to commit and now we have 8 and some people still name a Kilcoo player in starting 15 who is not even training with the squad. When will it end..
I would put Ryan McEvoy in midfield and Niall Donnelly into full back - has experience playing there and doesn't need to drive up the pitch as often as McEvoy. How can you start Collins after that performance on Saturday night is beyond me and Mason is a decent player - but 100% not a county midfielder!
But it's opinions I suppose.

Knew there was a reason I stopped looking at this forum. Geney Brannigan is training with the team and you'd put Niall Donnelly at FB? Christ the night I didn't realise this was a parody account JB
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wolfofwhitehall on March 01, 2023, 08:18:42 PM
Any white smoke from Kilcoo yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 02, 2023, 08:51:03 AM
Quote from: wolfofwhitehall on March 01, 2023, 08:18:42 PM
Any white smoke from Kilcoo yet?

They cannot get anyone of the calibre they desire. Too much family rows is stopping Jerome getting it. Laverty will take the reigns when Down are out with Aaron and Aidan Choc training the lads not on the county to then.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 02, 2023, 12:27:58 PM
Not one Scor na nog entry from Carryduff, Bredagh, Kilcoo and Bryansford this year. Have clubs decided not to take park for a particular reason. Surely this gives other young people who are not talented at sport to feel part of our organisation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on March 02, 2023, 01:30:45 PM
Is there a start date for the leagues this year and are the fixtures out yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 02, 2023, 02:06:32 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on March 02, 2023, 01:30:45 PM
Is there a start date for the leagues this year and are the fixtures out yet?

14th April, 6 weeks tomorrow. You would imagine they will be out this week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 02, 2023, 03:14:16 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on March 02, 2023, 01:30:45 PM
Is there a start date for the leagues this year and are the fixtures out yet?

Start date is 2nd April.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on March 02, 2023, 07:27:04 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on March 02, 2023, 03:14:16 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on March 02, 2023, 01:30:45 PM
Is there a start date for the leagues this year and are the fixtures out yet?

Start date is 2nd April.
Am hearing Div 4 will play 2 matches before the rest of the leagues begin. Sunday 2/4 & Thursday 6/4 with the rest starting on Fri 14/4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cavan19 on March 03, 2023, 09:59:20 AM
Well lads will there be many of ye coming down to witness your beating on Sunday?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 03, 2023, 02:18:23 PM
Good news about Eugene Branagan, hopefully get Dabs involved aswell and pretty much full deck playing for Laverty and Co.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 03, 2023, 05:22:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 03, 2023, 02:18:23 PM
Good news about Eugene Branagan, hopefully get Dabs involved aswell and pretty much full deck playing for Laverty and Co.

Well I stand corrected on this one.. some turnaround from him - let's hope he gets game time now to see what level he is at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 03, 2023, 07:57:20 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on March 03, 2023, 09:59:20 AM
Well lads will there be many of ye coming down to witness your beating on Sunday?
Thousands upon thousands!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 04, 2023, 10:14:39 AM
Div 1 fixtures out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 04, 2023, 12:14:21 PM
All senior football & hurling fixtures now on web site
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 05, 2023, 05:40:34 PM
Laverty hasn't done a whole pile wrong so far, but having 50+ lads knock their bollocks out for 3 months, to then watch Kilcoo players of dubious intention,  join up and sail straight into game time, probably won't do him many favours.

—-

Tough game today. Cavan must have the biggest and most physical spine in Ireland, which means it's always going to a tough fixture for Down, especially on the road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rodney trotter on March 05, 2023, 05:44:54 PM
Cavan have a full time S/C coach, Andre Quinn. He worked with London Irish before Cavan.. A Down man no less.

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/11/09/news/respected-rugby-coach-andre-quinn-appointed-cavan-s-head-of-athletic-performance-1481018/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 05, 2023, 05:47:14 PM
Anyone know why John O Hare isn't starting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on March 05, 2023, 05:56:32 PM
I'd feel pretty hard done by as a defender on this Down side. Laverty musn't trust them to be able to win 1 on 1 battles and thats why he chooses to flood the defense with a load of bodies
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 05, 2023, 07:21:02 PM
Just like every other county manager these days!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 05, 2023, 07:47:23 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on March 05, 2023, 05:56:32 PM
I'd feel pretty hard done by as a defender on this Down side. Laverty musn't trust them to be able to win 1 on 1 battles and thats why he chooses to flood the defense with a load of bodies
there's not too many top county teams that play 1 v 1 in defence, Laverty is trying to implement the same style of play that many teams play, getting bodies back then breaking at pace. Cavan at the minute are a better team than Down, more physical and are further along the road than Down.
Down are making progress for sure compared to last few years, there's going to be bumps in the road and today was one of those. If we can win the last 2 games it'll have been a more than decent league campaign and will set us up for a crack at Donegal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 05, 2023, 08:00:16 PM
2nd game in a row Laverty has shown he puts most of his faith in his fellow clubmen to do a job for him, he got away with it last week but his luck ran out today. Some slap in the teeth to those who gave all they had for him for the last 5 months, to sit on their arse on the bench or in the stand. Brannigan in the squad 5 minutes and gets on, I mean wtf. Cavan take on 6'4'' Gearoid Mc Kiernan and we combat this with someone who is 5'10'' and about 10st. Joke on so many fronts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 05, 2023, 08:04:47 PM
In typical Down fashion we go slating people when we get a defeat. Its going to be a work in progress, we are not going to be world beaters overnight. As a Down man i am a lot happier with the way things are moving in football compared to were we were. Everyone wants to play for Down again. Lets get behind the county.

We overplayed a lot of ball today but we will improve.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Feckitt on March 05, 2023, 08:09:28 PM
Lurgan and Newry are two similar size towns. Newry probably bigger and unlike Lurgan is probably 95% Catholic.  But where are the Gaelic footballers?
Yesterday Armagh had
Conor Turbitt
Tiernan Kelly
Barry McCambridge
Stefan Campbell &
Andrew Murnin.  All Lurgan Men.
Down have nobody from Newry and have been under represented in Newry for decades.  Surely this is a big failure by the Co Board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on March 05, 2023, 08:52:07 PM
Today was a frustrating day as we were only two points behind with five minutes left and looking like we could at least get a draw. However, we kept going for an extra pass in search of a goal when points were available and Cavan picked us off clinically on the break. They were clearly physically stronger than us down the middle and we are repeatedly asking Murdoch to do too much at 20 years of age. We probably lost it in the first half when we had three great goal chances and only took one. Smyth was mainly decent on the ball but his two shots, a free and a 45, were poor. The referee also managed to give yellows for a blatant black and red during the same period. Our promotion chance will effectively be gone if Fermanagh win their next game, although that may not be a foregone conclusion on the basis of the amazing score Westmeath ran up today. We are definitely a much improved side but it is a long hard road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on March 05, 2023, 09:26:21 PM
The final result was not a true reflection of the game; we were right in it till the last few mins. Good progress, still some way to go. The Tailteann Cup is a better target for us this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on March 05, 2023, 09:33:45 PM
The crying about lads training months together and kilcoo boys coming in is daft . They had a run in ulster , they are entitled to a break . They are also the most successful team in down the last 10 years and are rightly well represented on the county. By your logic murdoch and magil shouldnt start for the under 20s or no mccrory lads should come into minor panels after the competition ends. stop being knee jerk
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 05, 2023, 09:51:36 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on March 05, 2023, 08:09:28 PM
Lurgan and Newry are two similar size towns. Newry probably bigger and unlike Lurgan is probably 95% Catholic.  But where are the Gaelic footballers?
Yesterday Armagh had
Conor Turbitt
Tiernan Kelly
Barry McCambridge
Stefan Campbell &
Andrew Murnin.  All Lurgan Men.
Down have nobody from Newry and have been under represented in Newry for decades.  Surely this is a big failure by the Co Board.

What's that got to do with the Co. Board? Seriously. Nothing to do with the clubs, coaching & individual player attitudes? Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on March 05, 2023, 10:11:44 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on March 05, 2023, 08:09:28 PM
Lurgan and Newry are two similar size towns. Newry probably bigger and unlike Lurgan is probably 95% Catholic.  But where are the Gaelic footballers?
Yesterday Armagh had
Conor Turbitt
Tiernan Kelly
Barry McCambridge
Stefan Campbell &
Andrew Murnin.  All Lurgan Men.
Down have nobody from Newry and have been under represented in Newry for decades.  Surely this is a big failure by the Co Board.

How many gaa clubs are there in Newry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on March 05, 2023, 10:43:23 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 05, 2023, 10:11:44 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on March 05, 2023, 08:09:28 PM
Lurgan and Newry are two similar size towns. Newry probably bigger and unlike Lurgan is probably 95% Catholic.  But where are the Gaelic footballers?
Yesterday Armagh had
Conor Turbitt
Tiernan Kelly
Barry McCambridge
Stefan Campbell &
Andrew Murnin.  All Lurgan Men.
Down have nobody from Newry and have been under represented in Newry for decades.  Surely this is a big failure by the Co Board.

How many gaa clubs are there in Newry?
Bosco, Shamrocks, Mitchels. Then Glenn and ballyholland if you include the rural surrounding area
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CornUladh on March 05, 2023, 10:57:22 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 05, 2023, 10:11:44 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on March 05, 2023, 08:09:28 PM

Lurgan and Newry are two similar size towns. Newry probably bigger and unlike Lurgan is probably 95% Catholic.  But where are the Gaelic footballers?
Yesterday Armagh had
Conor Turbitt
Tiernan Kelly
Barry McCambridge
Stefan Campbell &
Andrew Murnin.  All Lurgan Men.
Down have nobody from Newry and have been under represented in Newry for decades.  Surely this is a big failure by the Co Board.

How many gaa clubs are there in Newry?

Killeavy
Thomas Davis
Saval
Shamrocks
Ballyholland
Bosco
Mitchels
And maybe Burren taking in forest hills?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on March 05, 2023, 11:43:43 PM
Quote from: CornUladh on March 05, 2023, 10:57:22 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 05, 2023, 10:11:44 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on March 05, 2023, 08:09:28 PM

Lurgan and Newry are two similar size towns. Newry probably bigger and unlike Lurgan is probably 95% Catholic.  But where are the Gaelic footballers?
Yesterday Armagh had
Conor Turbitt
Tiernan Kelly
Barry McCambridge
Stefan Campbell &
Andrew Murnin.  All Lurgan Men.
Down have nobody from Newry and have been under represented in Newry for decades.  Surely this is a big failure by the Co Board.

How many gaa clubs are there in Newry?

Killeavy
Thomas Davis
Saval
Shamrocks
Ballyholland
Bosco
Mitchels
And maybe Burren taking in forest hills?

That's a serious amount of clubs. A lot of cities are like this - junior type clubs but should have a stronger senior representation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 05, 2023, 11:55:43 PM
Where does Newry start and end? Nobody knows.

When anyone mentions Glenn as a Newry club then I'd wonder why not Saval and Mayobridge too?

When anyone mentions Saval as a Newry club then I'd wonder why not Glenn and Mayobridge too?

When someone says "Mayobridge isn't Newry". They're right in my mind. But then neither is Glenn or Saval either.

——

Anyways Lotto's point that Newry doesn't deliver is fair - even if blaming the county board for this situation is bizarre and bizarre again.

And it's an odd thing when you look at it.

We'd all love to believe that coaching and culture make the difference. But you still need raw athletic talent if you're talking about a county standard player, let alone a county stand out.

Can anyone name some raw athletic talents in the last 10 years that have emanated from Newry (and as wide as you can reach from Newry). ?

You won't be naming too many. That's all i know.

It's close to a statistical abomination at this point.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on March 06, 2023, 12:13:58 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 05, 2023, 11:43:43 PM
Quote from: CornUladh on March 05, 2023, 10:57:22 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 05, 2023, 10:11:44 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on March 05, 2023, 08:09:28 PM

Lurgan and Newry are two similar size towns. Newry probably bigger and unlike Lurgan is probably 95% Catholic.  But where are the Gaelic footballers?
Yesterday Armagh had
Conor Turbitt
Tiernan Kelly
Barry McCambridge
Stefan Campbell &
Andrew Murnin.  All Lurgan Men.
Down have nobody from Newry and have been under represented in Newry for decades.  Surely this is a big failure by the Co Board.

How many gaa clubs are there in Newry?

Killeavy
Thomas Davis
Saval
Shamrocks
Ballyholland
Bosco
Mitchels
And maybe Burren taking in forest hills?

That's a serious amount of clubs. A lot of cities are like this - junior type clubs but should have a stronger senior representation.

As mentioned about Lurgan (including surrounding area) there is Clann Eireann, Clan na Gael, St Peter's and Sarsfields all playing senior football, St Paul's and Wolfe Tones at the upper end of Intermediate and then Eire Og. Also in the outskirts is Aghagallon playing at the top end of Antrim football and Magheralin who are very small.

Lurgan would face similar if not worse social depravation than newry, have a 50% potential GAA population and also a lot of soccer in the town but the GAA scene is flourishing. The clubs have been doing serious work to drive that. It is not anything to do with county boards. And for all that club coaches can be brilliant but if you haven't the raw materials to work with you'll go nowhere.

Very difficult to change cultures etc but the work has to start at the very bottom. 4 5 6 year olds. Get them playing and a ball in their hand. Ignite and interest and build proper coaching structures. Ulster GAA have done countless workshops on this but it needs people on the ground to drive it. Schools coaches can help a bit but unless their work is backed up by clubs coming in behind them it's a waste of time. All of that isn't even a 5 or 10 year development. It could take 20+ years to reap the real rewards.

Clann Eireann had a plan a long time ago called "Clann Eireann 2020" to win a senior. They eventually did it in 2021 which was built around several groups of brilliant minor teams including some of the players listed above. Other clubs in Lurgan have started getting themselves sorted in the same manner. It's not a short term fix but where there is a will....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on March 06, 2023, 12:15:18 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2023, 11:55:43 PM
Where does Newry start and end? Nobody knows.

When anyone mentions Glenn as a Newry club then I'd wonder why not Saval and Mayobridge too?

When anyone mentions Saval as a Newry club then I'd wonder why not Glenn and Mayobridge too?

When someone says "Mayobridge isn't Newry". They're right in my mind. But then neither is Glenn or Saval either.

——

Anyways Lotto's point that Newry doesn't deliver is fair - even if blaming the county board for this situation is bizarre and bizarre again.

And it's an odd thing when you look at it.

We'd all love to believe that coaching and culture make the difference. But you still need raw athletic talent if you're talking about a county standard player, let alone a county stand out.

Can anyone name some raw athletic talents in the last 10 years that have emanated from Newry (and as wide as you can reach from Newry). ?

You won't be naming too many. That's all i know.

It's close to a statistical abomination at this point.

John McGovern
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 06, 2023, 07:30:22 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 05, 2023, 11:55:43 PM
Where does Newry start and end? Nobody knows.

When anyone mentions Glenn as a Newry club then I'd wonder why not Saval and Mayobridge too?

When anyone mentions Saval as a Newry club then I'd wonder why not Glenn and Mayobridge too?

When someone says "Mayobridge isn't Newry". They're right in my mind. But then neither is Glenn or Saval either.

——

Anyways Lotto's point that Newry doesn't deliver is fair - even if blaming the county board for this situation is bizarre and bizarre again.

And it's an odd thing when you look at it.

We'd all love to believe that coaching and culture make the difference. But you still need raw athletic talent if you're talking about a county standard player, let alone a county stand out.

Can anyone name some raw athletic talents in the last 10 years that have emanated from Newry (and as wide as you can reach from Newry). ?

You won't be naming too many. That's all i know.

It's close to a statistical abomination at this point.

What I find even more bizarre is that you haven't learned to f**king read after all the time you spend posting on here. I never made any points on the Newry situation so don't dare accuse me of saying things I didn't say. Right!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on March 06, 2023, 08:52:50 AM
What I find even more bizarre is that you haven't learned to f**king read after all the time you spend posting on here. I never made any points on the Newry situation so don't dare accuse me of saying things I didn't say. Right!
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Feisty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on March 06, 2023, 09:09:56 AM
Lads all is not lost. Win our last 2 games against Offaly and Longford and Fermanagh lose their last two games against Cavan and Westmeath we will be promoted courtesy of our head to head win over Westmeath which is the first criteria for separation of teams on same points.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 06, 2023, 09:22:01 AM
Ballyholland would have the biggest membership of a Newry club now and they are doing a lot right at underage. I would not classify Glenn as a Newry club but Saval are pushing into the Rathfriland road area in Newry and increasing their membership especially as they are flourishing as LGFA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 06, 2023, 09:33:52 AM
I watched the game back last night on the iplayer and honestly it was a poor and boring performance.  The reality is that another year in division 3 will help develop us. We are tiny in comparison to other counties. Cavan took on Gearoid McKernan and big Smith. We take on Genie Brannigan, that's the difference. The difference in club v county is huge and I would think that Conor knows that today.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 06, 2023, 10:05:56 AM
Have to say I agree
We had 15 players back for all of the first half
If paddy tally had done that he would be slated
Can someone tell me where have we improved?
Liam Kerr was missing for large parts of last year
We are still getting destroyed at midfield. Our defence with 15 back is shipping a lot. Yes we have scored more but we have dropped down a division.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 06, 2023, 10:55:13 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 06, 2023, 10:05:56 AM
Have to say I agree
We had 15 players back for all of the first half
If paddy tally had done that he would be slated
Can someone tell me where have we improved?
Liam Kerr was missing for large parts of last year
We are still getting destroyed at midfield. Our defence with 15 back is shipping a lot. Yes we have scored more but we have dropped down a division.

We are too small and light years behind on S and C. Cavan are at least 5 years ahead so we need to be patient.

The first half versus Westmeath and Cavan bored me to death.

Any reports from the u20 and U17 games at the weekend? Tyrone would be one of the better teams so to compete is good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on March 06, 2023, 01:45:53 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 06, 2023, 10:05:56 AM
Have to say I agree
We had 15 players back for all of the first half
If paddy tally had done that he would be slated
Can someone tell me where have we improved?
Liam Kerr was missing for large parts of last year
We are still getting destroyed at midfield. Our defence with 15 back is shipping a lot. Yes we have scored more but we have dropped down a division.
It cant be good being a forward and having to work back into defense when the ball is lost and then having to sprint forward again when we win it back. It must be knackering. Liam Kerr is our link man atm and at times when hes bursting up the field because hes so fast he has no one ahead of him. Also if we dont bring as many forwards back then teams arent going to risk bringing as many of their defenders forward. If we limit ourselves to only bringing back a full time sweeper plus maybe 1 more forward it still leaves us with 4 up top to hit on the break.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on March 06, 2023, 04:11:52 PM
Maybe we should also go back to telling defenders not to cross the halfway line
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 06, 2023, 07:50:03 PM
Is u20 game in championship v Tyrone in a few weeks at home or away??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 06, 2023, 08:33:49 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 06, 2023, 07:50:03 PM
Is u20 game in championship v Tyrone in a few weeks at home or away??
it's away. It's penciled in for a Wednesday night in Omagh, not much consideration for supporters or even players there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 06, 2023, 11:49:52 PM
Great men and managers like Peter McGrath, Barney Carr, Gerry Brown, had our proud county revered throughout Ireland and now we are playing defensive rubbish, we scored 2 points from play yesterday. Some of the sideline behaviour has been shameful including the goading of opposition players, officials and free takers and will get worse with the Kilcoo influence growing.
Kilcoo loyalty will never wane and playing Brannigan yesterday should be the final straw, players will start to walk away and who would blame them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on March 07, 2023, 12:25:52 AM
Balls being kicked on the pitch as soon as we went in front against Westmeath at the death to waste time, typical Kilcoo garbage. But not a word on here about that, people only get the knives out when we lose at the weekend. We have been lucky to beat Antrim and Westmeath, and anyone saying we were unlucky against Fermanagh would want to go back and watch that game too with their keeper gifted us 1-3 and we still couldn't win. Staying in D3 has been a massive achievement, it's a poor team we have and no progress made since last year. Last season lads didn't commit, headed to states, decimated by injuries and still put up some decent performances against Meath and Galway and Cork. This year we should've lost every game but the Tipp match, and that's with everyone available and the Kilcoo lads committing. We're in a mess atm. It were just lucky Donegal are as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 07, 2023, 07:28:48 AM
We just don't have the players anymore upandwin. Would agree with a lot that you have said. We somehow now think that we are back. Back where and on the basis of what? Improvemts have been made? Where? Last year was a complete mess. The management team wasn't in place until the first or second week of December and half the County didn't commit. The year before Tally(who I'm not a big fan of) comfortable got us out of division 3. We now have the supposed best players in the county at our disposal and training is off the charts yet we are no further on. The language along the line is a total disgrace and it's aimed at our own players. I never heard the likes on Sunday past. These are adults to be spoken to like that by the manager. 10 kilcoo players on the squad what's that about? Downs home match are now resembling more like a kilcoo match. Can someone tell me what has changed? Gilmore Kerr and Murdock are our 3 best players. And have been for 2 years now. We still haven't unearthed a goalkeeper. O Hare has been doing well but now he is gone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 07, 2023, 07:29:48 AM
Give the management team a chance. MeGeeney took a while to get Armagh where they are now. Down are a work in progress and will be for a few years. Same with Derry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 07, 2023, 07:37:54 AM
I'll give them every chance. McGeeney went for strong powerful lads.
And he doesn't f and blind along the sideline at his players
I'm talkin about some antics that have no place
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 07, 2023, 09:05:39 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 07, 2023, 07:37:54 AM
I'll give them every chance. McGeeney went for strong powerful lads.
And he doesn't f and blind along the sideline at his players
I'm talkin about some antics that have no place

If you are heading to a football match and do not expect cursing then I recommend benediction on a Monday night in Downpatrick Cathedral instead. The anti Kilcoo mafia are circling after a narrow defeat by the south Down aristocracy. Every manager including Pete McGrath has been hounded out by our supporters. People need to look at the bigger picture and down the road instead of a quick fix. Paddy Tally should never of been hounded out but two clowns at a county meeting proposed and seconded it. Would people relax, we have o earn to be in division 2 next year. Lets face reality.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dreadnought on March 07, 2023, 09:31:56 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 06, 2023, 09:33:52 AM
I watched the game back last night on the iplayer and honestly it was a poor and boring performance.  The reality is that another year in division 3 will help develop us. We are tiny in comparison to other counties. Cavan took on Gearoid McKernan and big Smith. We take on Genie Brannigan, that's the difference. The difference in club v county is huge and I would think that Conor knows that today.

I think you will still get up. Think you were the best of the teams we played so far, if only you get your setup right and not sit back so much. Ye went balls out with 15 back, double or even triple sweeper, and then hurtling forward. No way you can keep that up beyond the first 20 mins. Need to work the squad better, and Laverty needs to see you're not simply Kilcoo 2.0 and that won't work as well at this level anyway. Saying all that, you were still only 2 points behind with 5 minutes of normal time left, you just had nothing left in the legs

Your run in is good. Beat Longford and Offaly (who are no great shakes), and if Westmeath and Cavan beat Fermanagh then you will have Westmeath on head to head. It might be falling over the line a bit, but I fancy your chances more than the others here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 07, 2023, 09:37:13 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 07, 2023, 09:31:56 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 06, 2023, 09:33:52 AM
I watched the game back last night on the iplayer and honestly it was a poor and boring performance.  The reality is that another year in division 3 will help develop us. We are tiny in comparison to other counties. Cavan took on Gearoid McKernan and big Smith. We take on Genie Brannigan, that's the difference. The difference in club v county is huge and I would think that Conor knows that today.

I think you will still get up. Think you were the best of the teams we played so far, if only you get your setup right and not sit back so much. Ye went balls out with 15 back, double or even triple sweeper, and then hurtling forward. No way you can keep that up beyond the first 20 mins. Need to work the squad better, and Laverty needs to see you're not simply Kilcoo 2.0 and that won't work as well at this level anyway. Saying all that, you were still only 2 points behind with 5 minutes of normal time left, you just had nothing left in the legs

Your run in is good. Beat Longford and Offaly (who are no great shakes), and if Westmeath and Cavan beat Fermanagh then you will have Westmeath on head to head. It might be falling over the line a bit, but I fancy your chances more than the others here

Fair assumptions, I would rather have defenders who defend than players bombing up the field and leaving gaps at the back though. Also, Cavan would be in the shake up for Ulster. They have the physique for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dreadnought on March 07, 2023, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 07, 2023, 09:37:13 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 07, 2023, 09:31:56 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 06, 2023, 09:33:52 AM
I watched the game back last night on the iplayer and honestly it was a poor and boring performance.  The reality is that another year in division 3 will help develop us. We are tiny in comparison to other counties. Cavan took on Gearoid McKernan and big Smith. We take on Genie Brannigan, that's the difference. The difference in club v county is huge and I would think that Conor knows that today.

I think you will still get up. Think you were the best of the teams we played so far, if only you get your setup right and not sit back so much. Ye went balls out with 15 back, double or even triple sweeper, and then hurtling forward. No way you can keep that up beyond the first 20 mins. Need to work the squad better, and Laverty needs to see you're not simply Kilcoo 2.0 and that won't work as well at this level anyway. Saying all that, you were still only 2 points behind with 5 minutes of normal time left, you just had nothing left in the legs

Your run in is good. Beat Longford and Offaly (who are no great shakes), and if Westmeath and Cavan beat Fermanagh then you will have Westmeath on head to head. It might be falling over the line a bit, but I fancy your chances more than the others here

Fait assumptions, I would rather have defenders who defend than players bombing up the field and leaving gaps at the back though. Also, Cavan would be in the shake up for Ulster. They have the physique for it.

I think so too. We've a big squad, and strong. Our S&C guy has been doing great work, and we looked far stronger than anyone in this division. We know we have the size and talent to go at Ulster, after winning it in 20. Just that disaster of a Covid league and a post win hangover caught us bad. We should never have been down this far in League
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 07, 2023, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 07, 2023, 09:05:39 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 07, 2023, 07:37:54 AM
I'll give them every chance. McGeeney went for strong powerful lads.
And he doesn't f and blind along the sideline at his players
I'm talkin about some antics that have no place

If you are heading to a football match and do not expect cursing then I recommend benediction on a Monday night in Downpatrick Cathedral instead. The anti Kilcoo mafia are circling after a narrow defeat by the south Down aristocracy. Every manager including Pete McGrath has been hounded out by our supporters. People need to look at the bigger picture and down the road instead of a quick fix. Paddy Tally should never of been hounded out but two clowns at a county meeting proposed and seconded it. Would people relax, we have o earn to be in division 2 next year. Lets face reality.
Some difference between cursing and verbally abusing your own players, opposition players and officials as Smurfy said. His behaviour in the Antrim game, Fermanagh, Westmeath game and Cavan games were well below what's expected of a senior inter county manager.

Why has no captain been announced? Why has no full squad list been announced? The endless list of late changes to the programme all Kilcoo nonsense that might fool a few club teams here and there but certainly doesn't at this level. As that Cavan poster correctly pointed out, we should still get promoted, it's the least you would expect for the money that has been spent and the three month head start we got on those teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 07, 2023, 10:56:41 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 07, 2023, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 07, 2023, 09:05:39 AM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 07, 2023, 07:37:54 AM
I'll give them every chance. McGeeney went for strong powerful lads.
And he doesn't f and blind along the sideline at his players
I'm talkin about some antics that have no place

If you are heading to a football match and do not expect cursing then I recommend benediction on a Monday night in Downpatrick Cathedral instead. The anti Kilcoo mafia are circling after a narrow defeat by the south Down aristocracy. Every manager including Pete McGrath has been hounded out by our supporters. People need to look at the bigger picture and down the road instead of a quick fix. Paddy Tally should never of been hounded out but two clowns at a county meeting proposed and seconded it. Would people relax, we have o earn to be in division 2 next year. Lets face reality.
Some difference between cursing and verbally abusing your own players, opposition players and officials as Smurfy said. His behaviour in the Antrim game, Fermanagh, Westmeath game and Cavan games were well below what's expected of a senior inter county manager.

Why has no captain been announced? Why has no full squad list been announced? The endless list of late changes to the programme all Kilcoo nonsense that might fool a few club teams here and there but certainly doesn't at this level. As that Cavan poster correctly pointed out, we should still get promoted, it's the least you would expect for the money that has been spent and the three month head start we got on those teams.

Redandblackareback I think you need therapy for the anger you show towards the senior management and the county board. You never have anything positive to say. Its senior intercounty, Not u9 go games in Drumaness.

Why has no captain been announced?  Does that keep you awake at night lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 07, 2023, 11:14:06 AM
Considering captaining the county TH is the greatest honour for any young footballer and their club he is denying that person the honour. Not that he cares as it's only about him and kilcoo that really matters, you seem pretty invested in it all, are you getting fed by the EOS cash cow too? There is plenty on the golden ticket, from Brannigans gym to his kilcoo buddies on the management team, all getting well looked after.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 07, 2023, 11:20:01 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 07, 2023, 11:14:06 AM
Considering captaining the county TH is the greatest honour for any young footballer and their club he is denying that person the honour. Not that he cares as it's only about him and kilcoo that really matters, you seem pretty invested in it all, are you getting fed by the EOS cash cow too? There is plenty on the golden ticket, from Brannigans gym to his kilcoo buddies on the management team, all getting well looked after.

If EOS want to spend their money that way then that's fair enough. Sure Aaron will just give up his heating and lighting and facilities for nothing then, you are deluded and very bitter. Why would you even go to a match.

I am sure a captain will be announced, that honour won't be denied.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 07, 2023, 11:44:56 AM
The anti kilcoo/ anti Connor Laverty brigade are back out in full force after a defeat. Some posters will be sitting at home praying for the county to get beat so they can come here to vent. Embarrassing stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on March 07, 2023, 12:10:45 PM
Is anyone really surprised there are be those waiting with knives sharpened?
Its the way it was always going to be when polarising figures were appointed to positions of authority by the powers that be.
Im sure Laverty cares very little what anonymous figures on internet forums say about his style, behaviour or team selections.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 07, 2023, 12:28:12 PM
As mentioned, I doubt Laverty will worry about what is said on this forum. No matter what his motivations may be, it's in his best interest to have Down win games and be as successful as possible anyway. So regardless of personal opinions on the management, we should all be willing to get behind that squad of players who have been working their arses off to get themselves in to the condition to win football matches. It's a rebuild of sorts, anyone expecting silverware this year is deluded. It took other counties years of building to eventually compete. Down will be no different. So what we can do is get behind the team and try to see the positives, and support them as far as they may go this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 07, 2023, 02:25:48 PM
These dissenting voices are the grumblers who have hounded out people like Jim McCorry, Eamon Burns RIP and Paddy Tally in the past. Nothing is ever good enough for them. The culture of sacking managers in Down is a disgrace. Bryansford stayed in the first division last year which was a great achievement as they were very poor at the start of the year. Yest a committee thought this wasn't good enough and sacked them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: harryR on March 07, 2023, 04:07:13 PM
If every player was willing to commit in the county, realistically how many players would get in the 15 that isn't on the county panel now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 07, 2023, 04:17:28 PM
Dabs at a push and that's it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on March 08, 2023, 05:08:49 AM
Quote from: harryR on March 07, 2023, 04:07:13 PM
If every player was willing to commit in the county, realistically how many players would get in the 15 that isn't on the county panel now
All of these would be in with a good shout of the team. 2 Guinness And McGeogh from Carryduff', Quinn from Mayobridge, Dabs and possibly Ward from Kilcoo,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 08, 2023, 07:57:38 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on March 08, 2023, 05:08:49 AM
Quote from: harryR on March 07, 2023, 04:07:13 PM
If every player was willing to commit in the county, realistically how many players would get in the 15 that isn't on the county panel now
All of these would be in with a good shout of the team. 2 Guinness And McGeogh from Carryduff', Quinn from Mayobridge, Dabs and possibly Ward from Kilcoo,
And is there a reason they aren't iin the panel? Is Quinn travelling? Injuries or any other reason keeping the rest out? So pretty much the best players in the county are making themselves available?  Will Mooney be available when back from injury or has he retired from county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 08, 2023, 09:08:31 AM
Yes they are travelling, Ward is just left and is gone for a year. He will be a loss to Kilcoo in midfield.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on March 08, 2023, 10:05:25 AM
Quote from: harryR on March 07, 2023, 04:07:13 PM
If every player was willing to commit in the county, realistically how many players would get in the 15 that isn't on the county panel now

And how many would start for the big Ulster sides of Derry/Tyrone or even Armagh??

McEvoy/Kerr/Murdock?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on March 08, 2023, 10:08:02 AM
Kerr the only one who would start in them 3 teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 08, 2023, 10:37:28 AM
I think if Ryan McEvoy played at 5 or 7 he would be more suited to it, the physicality and athleticism of an intercounty full forward compared to a club player is light and day. Would Finn McElroy be any better in there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 08, 2023, 11:37:52 AM
I think Murdock and maybe Kerr would start for Tyrone/Derry/Kerry/Mayo/Dublin
Not sure after that
We have all the best players at our disposal now
What is coming through?
We have brought back McParland Donnelly Millar Collins all lads who are close to 30?
They are as good as what we have so what more can be done?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 08, 2023, 12:19:05 PM
I think this will be the team v Longford

1.Kane
2.Fegan
3.McElroy
4.Laverty
5.Morgan
6.Wee doc
7. Rooney
8.Murdock
9.McAvoy
10. Shealan
11.Ryan J
12. Kerr
13.Jerome
14. Big Pat
15. Gilmore
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on March 08, 2023, 12:32:59 PM
Just the 8 Kilcoo men?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 08, 2023, 12:53:04 PM
we need to win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on March 08, 2023, 01:11:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 08, 2023, 12:19:05 PM
I think this will be the team v Longford

1.Kane
2.Fegan
3.McElroy
4.Laverty
5.Morgan
6.Wee doc
7. Rooney
8.Murdock
9.McAvoy
10. Shealan
11.Ryan J
12. Kerr
13.Jerome
14. Big Pat
15. Gilmore
I don't think so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on March 08, 2023, 01:18:36 PM
It's good to have the Kilcoo players back, as they add strength to the panel, but really their only county standard player (assuming Dabs won't play), is McAvoy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on March 08, 2023, 01:51:39 PM
People cried to get kilcoo players to commit to Down and when they do the same people moan because they are getting game time.  Kilcoo are the stand out team in Down and have been for 10 years+.  Logic and common sense would tell you they will have the most Co Players as they have the best team.  The problem is we have 1 or 2 stand out players in the county maybe fit for Div 2 or possible Div 1.... the rest in reality aren't good enough to play at a higher level.  Down supporters are deluded, we are the 8th best team in Ulster.  Fermanagh and Cavan have beaten us in recent weeks  Only Antrim are worse than us at present.  The Laverty project is very much a WIP.... give it time.  Beating Donegal in the Championship would be a massive achievement.  No chance of Ulster title as Derry, Armagh, Tyrone Monaghan etc are just ahead of us. Focus on players in the 19-25 age bracket.  Coach train and develop and try to make gradual progress. In 3 years they should peak and in theory we should have a good group of 22-28 year olds... always wriggle room here but carrying 10 players in their late 20's or early 30's like Mcparland, JJ, Donnelly, Kane, Collins etc isn't the pathway I think we should be taking.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on March 08, 2023, 01:57:42 PM
Quote from: befair on March 08, 2023, 01:18:36 PM
It's good to have the Kilcoo players back, as they add strength to the panel, but really their only county standard player (assuming Dabs won't play), is McAvoy.

agree with this but then the other players from other clubs are not really county standard either Murdoch might make it but he was anonymous in the biggest game to date against cavan  , i include kerr in that , 2/3 flashes a game doesnt make a county player. so if none in other clubs are county standard its fair to assume the best team in the county will be represented well.

urbangael
check the age of alot of the derry players or dublin players , you need a mix of youth and experience in any team for sucess
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on March 08, 2023, 04:06:23 PM
Totally agree but my point is if you have a lad at 30 and a fella at 21 that are similar in ability better to go with the 21 yr old to get the experience and be a better long term option. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ciaron08 on March 09, 2023, 08:23:24 AM
Lavery is only in the door and people are writing him off already,
Im far from the biggest Kilcoo fan but if these lads are coming on the team improve it, all the better for Down Gaa. Anybody can make a mistake but when Kane made 2 in the 2 different games, lavery done the right thing and dropped him, so its not all kilcoo kilcoo kilcoo. Successful teams just dont turn up out of the blue, there is years of work going on in the background to get to that point, Hopefully Lavery will be given that time cause changing Managers every year or so isnt the answer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 09, 2023, 12:27:03 PM
I am always open to a good debate on all things Down but the constant whingers will be drowned out as there is now a pathway developing and a pride coming into that famous Down jersey again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 09, 2023, 01:52:29 PM
I see that a Mourne select are going to be playing the Down seniors on Saturday in Attical. This may pave the way for an amalgamation in Lower Mourne of Glasdrumman, Longstone and Ballymartin. I could be this happening within the next ten years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 09, 2023, 02:34:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2023, 01:52:29 PM
I see that a Mourne select are going to be playing the Down seniors on Saturday in Attical. This may pave the way for an amalgamation in Lower Mourne of Glasdrumman, Longstone and Ballymartin. I could be this happening within the next ten years.

Hurling?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 09, 2023, 03:11:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 09, 2023, 02:34:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2023, 01:52:29 PM
I see that a Mourne select are going to be playing the Down seniors on Saturday in Attical. This may pave the way for an amalgamation in Lower Mourne of Glasdrumman, Longstone and Ballymartin. I could be this happening within the next ten years.

Hurling?
Football. Down seniors are playing a Mourne select team to celebrate 60 years of Attical gaa.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 09, 2023, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2023, 01:52:29 PM
I see that a Mourne select are going to be playing the Down seniors on Saturday in Attical. This may pave the way for an amalgamation in Lower Mourne of Glasdrumman, Longstone and Ballymartin. I could be this happening within the next ten years.

I don't see how a friendly game to celebrate an anniversary of one club will pave the way for an amalgamation. It's a friendly game. Nothing more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 09, 2023, 05:47:26 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2023, 01:52:29 PM
I see that a Mourne select are going to be playing the Down seniors on Saturday in Attical. This may pave the way for an amalgamation in Lower Mourne of Glasdrumman, Longstone and Ballymartin. I could be this happening within the next ten years.

You need to drop this agenda of amalgamations you have Truth.. every other week you are talking about it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 09, 2023, 06:43:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2023, 12:27:03 PM
I am always open to a good debate on all things Down but the constant whingers will be drowned out as there is now a pathway developing and a pride coming into that famous Down jersey again.

I don't share your optimism and believe me, I, and I'm sure others, will not be 'drowned out' as you put it. There are more players now prepared to play for Down which is a positive but not all of those Kilcoo players are good enough to play for Down. As for a a pride coming, our reputation is already being questioned with the antics of our manager along the line. Never before have we stooped to the levels of many other teams but the higher the stakes get, I'd imagine the lower we'll be going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 09, 2023, 07:07:08 PM
No county fixture this weekend and club fixtures are out. 10 team leagues are going to be great with tough games every weekend - Who will struggle in the divisions this year???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 09, 2023, 08:21:12 PM
Quote from: messy gael on March 09, 2023, 07:55:31 PM
Quote from: Lotto on March 09, 2023, 06:43:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2023, 12:27:03 PM
I am always open to a good debate on all things Down but the constant whingers will be drowned out as there is now a pathway developing and a pride coming into that famous Down jersey again.

I don't share your optimism and believe me, I, and I'm sure others, will not be 'drowned out' as you put it. There are more players now prepared to play for Down which is a positive but not all of those Kilcoo players are good enough to play for Down. As for a a pride coming, our reputation is already being questioned with the antics of our manager along the line. Never before have we stooped to the levels of many other teams but the higher the stakes get, I'd imagine the lower we'll be going.


Lotto

As per usual you just cant see past your hatred for Kilcoo & Laverty.... for years we bemoaned the lack of Kilcoo players not backing the county and putting their shoulder to the wheel... Now its eventually happening your still giving off about the quality or as you put it lack of quality.... How would we ever know if they are good enough as they havent been there in the past and surely we need to see if they are good enough by seeing them on the field.

Who are they ahead off they shouldnt be ??  Given its the managers first season surely he has to look at as many as possible ??

As regard stooping low thats absolute crap... i've seen Fermanagh / Cavan play games firing balls onto the field & talk shite this year also... ur hatred view of the manager doesnt let you see what other crap the oppositions are up too

Interesting first post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on March 09, 2023, 08:42:08 PM
thats probably conor laverty , you got to him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 09, 2023, 08:55:19 PM
Quote from: skat man on March 09, 2023, 08:42:08 PM
thats probably conor laverty , you got to him

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on March 09, 2023, 09:28:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2023, 12:27:03 PM
I am always open to a good debate on all things Down but the constant whingers will be drowned out as there is now a pathway developing and a pride coming into that famous Down jersey again.
Where is this Pathway, TH? I'd sure love to know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on March 10, 2023, 10:03:19 AM
Quote from: Lotto on March 09, 2023, 08:55:19 PM
Quote from: skat man on March 09, 2023, 08:42:08 PM
thats probably conor laverty , you got to him

That's lotto's no 2 account. He is arguing with himself now 🤣

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on March 10, 2023, 10:24:33 AM
The snow is bad, them so and so's from Kilcoo are at it again. Why can't they leave the weather alone. :
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on March 10, 2023, 10:29:09 AM
The snow is bad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 10, 2023, 10:29:43 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 09, 2023, 05:47:26 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2023, 01:52:29 PM
I see that a Mourne select are going to be playing the Down seniors on Saturday in Attical. This may pave the way for an amalgamation in Lower Mourne of Glasdrumman, Longstone and Ballymartin. I could be this happening within the next ten years.

You need to drop this agenda of amalgamations you have Truth.. every other week you are talking about it

Its not an agenda MR. I am a realist. Amalgamations will happen due to numbers, its sad but its just facts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 10, 2023, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 09, 2023, 07:07:08 PM
No county fixture this weekend and club fixtures are out. 10 team leagues are going to be great with tough games every weekend - Who will struggle in the divisions this year???

Longstone and Bredagh will struggle in division 1

I fancy Castlewellan who have done well in the transfer market and RGU to go up in 2. Drumgath and Newry Shamrocks to go back down

The Kingdom will go straight back up. St Pauls and Drumaness might struggle here if they don't get early points.

Dundrum with McCartan at the helm wil be a force in 4.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 10, 2023, 10:35:36 AM
Quote from: Lotto on March 09, 2023, 06:43:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2023, 12:27:03 PM
I am always open to a good debate on all things Down but the constant whingers will be drowned out as there is now a pathway developing and a pride coming into that famous Down jersey again.

I don't share your optimism and believe me, I, and I'm sure others, will not be 'drowned out' as you put it. There are more players now prepared to play for Down which is a positive but not all of those Kilcoo players are good enough to play for Down. As for a a pride coming, our reputation is already being questioned with the antics of our manager along the line. Never before have we stooped to the levels of many other teams but the higher the stakes get, I'd imagine the lower we'll be going.

I would say that the best 40 players are available to Laverty at the minute. Would you agree with that Mr Pessimist ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on March 10, 2023, 11:55:57 AM
Quote from: urbangael on March 08, 2023, 04:06:23 PM
Totally agree but my point is if you have a lad at 30 and a fella at 21 that are similar in ability better to go with the 21 yr old to get the experience and be a better long term option.

who are the 21 yr olds of similar ability to both nialls, collins, millar , jerome , bobo and any others ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 10, 2023, 12:15:15 PM
Ruiri O Hare
Danny Magill
Eoghan Byrne
Tom Close
Billy Campbell
Cathal Gorman
Lad from Downpatrick name escapes me


All well capable of playing in the roles the older lads are playing in

None of the older lads are playing in big positions
Sweeper
Midfield
Wing forwards

Hardly big positions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 10, 2023, 12:28:10 PM
All good players but hardly better than the aforementioned Smurfy.
Have CPN numbers increased at training? I heard a lot of older statesmen have either retired or transferred. I though the Point were very close and I thought everyone would give it one last kick as Kilcoo have been regressing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Smurfy123 on March 10, 2023, 12:34:08 PM
They are no worse and have long futures

Training has been going very well
The players have found training to be extremely good
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 10, 2023, 12:51:24 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 10, 2023, 12:34:08 PM
They are no worse and have long futures

Training has been going very well
The players have found training to be extremely good

Good to hear
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 10, 2023, 03:15:44 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 10, 2023, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 09, 2023, 07:07:08 PM
No county fixture this weekend and club fixtures are out. 10 team leagues are going to be great with tough games every weekend - Who will struggle in the divisions this year???

Longstone and Bredagh will struggle in division 1

I fancy Castlewellan who have done well in the transfer market and RGU to go up in 2. Drumgath and Newry Shamrocks to go back down

The Kingdom will go straight back up. St Pauls and Drumaness might struggle here if they don't get early points.

Dundrum with McCartan at the helm wil be a force in 4.

Who is taking Dundrum?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 10, 2023, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 10, 2023, 03:15:44 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 10, 2023, 10:34:09 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 09, 2023, 07:07:08 PM
No county fixture this weekend and club fixtures are out. 10 team leagues are going to be great with tough games every weekend - Who will struggle in the divisions this year???

Longstone and Bredagh will struggle in division 1

I fancy Castlewellan who have done well in the transfer market and RGU to go up in 2. Drumgath and Newry Shamrocks to go back down

The Kingdom will go straight back up. St Pauls and Drumaness might struggle here if they don't get early points.

Dundrum with McCartan at the helm wil be a force in 4.

Who is taking Dundrum?

Ronan McCartan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 10, 2023, 03:58:10 PM
An interesting story from Kilcoo's new manager, I hope they get food for him :)























Jim McGuinness had been lined up to take a backroom role in a new Donegal management team involving Rory Kavanagh and Karl Lacey

LAST Wednesday, March 1, marked the date that county development squads could begin pitch training again for the year.

In Donegal, no training took place. There are no football development squads because there are no coaches.

There are no coaches because all of them walked away when Karl Lacey stepped down as head of the county's football Academy in early January.

"As a group, we have lost all confidence in governance of Donegal GAA," read the last line of a statement signed by more than 30 coaches.

Everyone involved with the U14, U15 and U16 squads left.

The management teams in charge of the flagship U17 and U20 teams remained in place.

Relationships between Lacey and some members of the executive committee had turned frosty in the latter part of 2022.

There was a change in the air after Rory Kavanagh withdrew from the process to become the next Donegal manager last autumn.

Lacey was on Kavanagh's coaching ticket, which also would have included Jim McGuinness in a background capacity.

Having just completed his UEFA Pro Licence and still intent on staying on the soccer path, McGuinness wasn't in a position to return as manager.

St Eunan's, under Kavanagh, reached the Donegal final. That meant the process was delayed by a number of weeks.

The controversial sending off of Shane O'Donnell right before half-time was a key moment in Naomh Conaill's victory. Just over a week later, Kavanagh withdrew from the process to select a new management team.




Jim McGuinness had been lined up to take a backroom role in a new Donegal management team involving Rory Kavanagh and Karl Lacey


McGuinness had intimated, however, that he was available and willing to help coach the team alongside whoever was appointed.

The delays meant that Paddy Carr was only eventually installed as manager on October 24, with Aidan O'Rourke named as his head coach.

The three-man committee didn't engage with McGuinness on his offer.

Karl Lacey continued making plans for the Academy for 2023.

________________________________________________________

HAVING retired from playing inter-county football in late 2017, Lacey went straight into Declan Bonner's backroom team for the following season.

By the time he stepped away from that role three years later, plans were already afoot to launch an Academy.

The county's then-Games Development manager Aaron Kyles presented the idea to the county executive, including that 2012 Footballer of the Year Karl Lacey should be the man to head it up.

The appointment of Lacey, confirmed in January 2021, was seen as significant.

Donegal's most decorated footballer in history, the Sport and Coaching Performance lecturer at what was then Letterkenny IT (now the ATU) had the academic credentials, including an MSc in Sports Performance, to go alongside his own sporting experience.

Because of the strength of the school system in the north, particularly in Tyrone and Derry, it was felt that Donegal were being left behind by the time players came to minor, never mind U20.

In their history, Donegal have only ever contested one All-Ireland minor final, and won just seven Ulster titles, one fewer than Antrim.

They've won eight provincial U20 titles, only two of those since 1995. Their 1982 and '87 All-Irelands at the grade backboned the 1992 team.

But it was felt that it was all too ad-hoc, that the structures for consistency didn't exist.

One of the first things they did when the Academy launched was to set up partnerships with 14 schools around Donegal and put voluntary S&C coaches in to each of them once a week.

Last May, Wexford GAA announced they were committing €385,000 over five years to an almost identical scheme.

Donegal had theirs running completely free of charge, with S&C coaches travelling to schools for 6am sessions without getting a cent.

Rather than traditional one-off trials for development squads, players were given a minimum of six weeks to prove themselves. Things like growth and maturation were monitored, so that players who were perhaps 11 months younger than others in the same age group were assessed accordingly.

A request was made for minor club games to be kept away from Friday nights last year to allow players to train and play with development squads on Saturdays.

Minor games were set for Friday night until the evenings disappeared, at which point they were moved to Saturdays.

In April, the club games clashed with the Buncrana Cup, one of the national fixture dates set by Croke Park.

The Academy coaches named 20 players that couldn't play for their club then that night, which caused ructions.

Club fixtures were postponed the weekend of Development Squad games in May. There were no clashes in June or July.

To alleviate the pressure, Donegal's U15 and U16 training moved to Monday nights after the clash in April.

Covid meant plans took a while to get off the ground but on the whole, things ran fairly smoothly for the first year-and-a-half.

In the months before he resigned, Lacey had been working on a coaching curriculum that would be shared with clubs to help improve the standard of coaching across the board.

The Academy had a budget of €320,000, agreed with members of the executive in January. In total, the Academy cost around €280,000 to run for 2022.

Those figures include spending on Donegal's U17 and U20 teams, as well as hurling. The figure for football was around €240,000.

It included around €65,000 on gear and equipment. Spend on that would have greatly reduced in 2023.

In 2021, development squads had played games in their club jerseys while wearing bibs over the top.

Lacey was the only coach paid expenses, understood to have come to around €25,000 for the year. The rest were all completely voluntary.

Their figures would be towards the top end across Ireland, although accounting practices differ across the country.

Many counties, including Donegal, lump all development squads, U17s and U20s in along with adult county teams under 'Team Expenses'.

Tyrone, by comparison, spent €209,000 (£187,000) on their academy, U17s and U20s combined in 2022, with the development squads accounting for just over £40,000.

When Karl Lacey requested €1,000 at the end of the year for a meal to thank coaches for their work, it was refused by the county management committee, who noted that "all sub committees and club committees are also providing their time voluntary to Donegal GAA".

They instead approved five €100 vouchers for O'Neills to be raffled between all their volunteers, excluding the executive itself.

Lacey had repeatedly requested updates on what the Academy had spent throughout the year, but received no information.

He had asked if a liaison could be appointed between him and the county board to directly oversee the finances, but was refused.

As the year went on, it became increasingly difficult for Lacey to get any information as regards where they stood with the budget.

In repeated emails, he requested a breakdown of the costs in order to prepare for 2023 but never received that information prior to stepping down.

He had also never received a job specification for the Head of Academy role, despite assurances that he would.






WHEN Jim McGuinness took charge of Donegal at the end of 2010, he rang Donal Barrett about heading up a fundraising committee for the team.

Barrett liaised with Seamus Carr in London to bring in money from across the globe for the seniors' training fund.

In his autobiography, Until Victory Always, McGuinness said: "People from across the world donated money to the training fund. Their only stipulation was that the money did not go to the county board."

The county board's finances are of ongoing concern. They were one of few counties in Ireland to post a financial loss in their 2022 accounts, with a deficit over just over €130,000 for the year.

Out of their total income of just under €1.6m last year, Donegal took in just €14,000 in fundraising, which the Academy raised through a raffle.

In Declan Bonner's first year in charge of the senior team, they held a training camp in Belfast. The team trained at the Dub and stayed at a nearby hotel.

A member of the travelling party had to make a substantial payment on a personal credit card in order for the hotel to allow them to check in. That money was subsequently reimbursed.

In an interview with the Inishowen Independent shortly after convention in December, former Donegal player and assistant manager Paul McGonigle, who had run for chairman but lost out to Fergus McGee, said that Donegal GAA was "in a very poor place structurally, culturally and financially."

"From a financial perspective, we're technically insolvent with a net current liability position which presents significant financial risk," said McGonigle, an accountant by trade. He added a call for a full strategic review of how the county was operating.

On the ground, coaches believe that the collapse of the Academy as they knew it was not down to money.

At county convention in late 2021, Michael McGeehin was appointed as Donegal's coaching officer.

Sport Ireland's Director of Coaching, the Letterkenny man has worked with various county teams down the years. He was Donegal's coach during John Joe Doherty's time as manager.

In a wide-ranging interview with the Donegal Democrat's Alan Foley just before Christmas last year, Lacey made a comment about the lack of close ties between the Academy and the role of the coaching officer.

"The academy would hope that some of the existing roles in the county executive would form closer ties with the academy going forward, particularly the role of County coaching officer, which to date has been quite adrift of the academy and its functions. A clear pathway between both bodies would be healthy and supportive to create a strong link to the senior county set up," Lacey said back in December.

Among the bugbear of coaches was that, despite being invited, neither McGeehin or then-chairman Mick McGrath attended any of the review meetings held by coaches at the end of each six-week coaching block.

Fergus McGee was appointed as chairman at last year's convention, taking over after McGrath had served his five years.

A long-serving member of the county board in various roles, McGee inherited the situation. It's felt by many of those close to it that he has done his best to try and smooth the issues over.

However, in a management meeting in December, he referenced Lacey's comments in the Democrat as being a "public attack on our coaching officer by the Academy director".

He told those present that "an attack on any member is an attack on us all".

In the same meeting, McGeehin "outlined his involvement and his support to the Academy at all times", the minutes read.

When asked about the Academy in his own interview with the Democrat's Peter Campbell in January, Fergus McGee said: "Some see it as a very positive thing. Some ask what is the percentage that actually made it to the senior ranks. I heard the figures recently and they are so, so low. But that's for another day, one of the challenges ahead."

In the latter part of 2022, the relationship between the executive and Karl Lacey completely broke down.

The athletic programme being delivered through the schools was halted, despite being provided free-of-charge.

Coaches signed off 2022 with players and parents by saying they would be in contact early in the New Year about getting up and going again.

By then Lacey had been informed of a "360 review" of the Academy and its structures that would be conducted by Michael McGeehin.

The statement released by Donegal GAA upon accepting Lacey's resignation said there was a need for "good control that doesn't hinder, but supports achievement. This needs to be fair and transparent."

One of the executive's big issues was around how the Academy was governed, but this was an issue for Lacey as well. He had requested greater support and governance throughout the year and was supportive of the idea of a review.

Aaron Kyles left his position as Games Development Manager in September.

He and his replacement Declan Bushell – a clubmate of Lacey's and current Masters student at ATU – were both technically Lacey's direct line manager, but neither felt comfortable operating as such. They had good relationships with Lacey and both allowed him to run the Academy his way.

The previous coaching officer, Conor McDermott, had done likewise.

McGeehin, who accepted a logistics role on Paddy Carr's management having been on the appointment committee to pick the manager, wasn't initially heavily involved in the Academy's day-to-day when he took over.

After the review process began, Lacey was informed that McGeehin would take overall responsibility for the Academy and that his line manager would be Declan Bushell, who would then report to McGeehin.

Lacey was called to a meeting in early January with senior members of the executive to discuss the contents of his interview with the Democrat.

In what was effectively a disciplinary meeting, Lacey was asked to publically apologise to McGeehin for his comments, which he declined to do.

News broke on February 3 that Karl Lacey had stepped down as Head of the Academy, saying in a message to coaches that he felt "sad that we have not been supported in continuing to impact our young players."

___________________________________________

BEFORE his resignation was accepted on February 27, with hopes of a resolution still alive, Karl Lacey met with Fergus McGee again.

At a subsequent executive meeting that evening, a decision was made to accept Lacey's resignation, and the wording of the statement that followed was thrashed out.

The statement said they were "reluctantly" accepting Lacey's resignation. Donegal GAA added that "there is absolutely no suggestion or inference that there was any malintent or neglect on the part of the Head of Academy or the coaches."

In a fiery meeting with club delegates on Monday night past, McGeehin's plans for the Academy for 2023 and beyond were outlined.

Some coaches had been approached about returning. It's understood those who were approached will not go back.

Clubs were told the Academy will return on March 18. An advertisement will go out for a new part-time head of the Academy.

The 30-plus coaches that left along with Lacey will have their own individual decision to make but it's expected that very few will return.

Writing in the Donegal News, Declan Bonner called it "a huge blow for football in Donegal", adding that he "[didn't] think communication levels have been anywhere near where they should have been.

"We have got to get him back and whatever needs to be done, just has to happen," Bonner concluded.

1992 All-Ireland winning captain Anthony Molloy hit out at the lack of transparency from the county board around it, calling it "a very, very backwards step for Donegal."

In his Irish Daily Star column last week, Eamon McGee, who is part of the U20 management, likened the situation to how Donegal had turned away Martin McHugh in the mid-90s.

McGee said that ousting Lacey was "as if Donegal got a winning Lotto ticket and decided to flush it down the toilet."

The Donegal Academy is making plans to resume soon under McGeehin's watch.

There appears to be no hope of Karl Lacey returning in the near future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 10, 2023, 04:22:10 PM
What I've heard from ones I played ball with in Uni is that fallout stems from Senior Management appointment in Donegal, players wanted Kavanagh and Murphy was going to continue on as a player and coach on the team but once it became clear that Kavanagh wasn't going to get it he put out he was retiring - Men at the top of their Co Board don't like Kavanagh for whatever went on I don't know
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on March 10, 2023, 05:11:26 PM
It's a bit of a mess unfortunately and the only losers are the young players.

Hard to know where the breakdown is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 10, 2023, 09:04:12 PM
Sounds like Donegal were in a fantastic way of going. A real purposeful link between schools and development squads - s&c coaches working in schools, development squads with a real drive and ambition and it's all gone to pieces. Derry and Tyrone are miles ahead at underage development compared to the others in ulster.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 11, 2023, 10:29:24 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 10, 2023, 10:35:36 AM
Quote from: Lotto on March 09, 2023, 06:43:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2023, 12:27:03 PM
I am always open to a good debate on all things Down but the constant whingers will be drowned out as there is now a pathway developing and a pride coming into that famous Down jersey again.

I don't share your optimism and believe me, I, and I'm sure others, will not be 'drowned out' as you put it. There are more players now prepared to play for Down which is a positive but not all of those Kilcoo players are good enough to play for Down. As for a a pride coming, our reputation is already being questioned with the antics of our manager along the line. Never before have we stooped to the levels of many other teams but the higher the stakes get, I'd imagine the lower we'll be going.

I would say that the best 40 players are available to Laverty at the minute. Would you agree with that Mr Pessimist ?

Daniel Guinness
Caolan Mooney
Cory Quinn

There's 3 who would walk onto the team who are not available currently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on March 11, 2023, 10:37:33 AM
He said available to , they are unavailable to him . One word is the opposite of the other
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 11, 2023, 11:08:11 AM
Back up obviously required for TH.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on March 11, 2023, 12:15:41 PM
Quote from: Lotto on March 11, 2023, 11:08:11 AM
Back up obviously required for TH.

If I was looking foolish I'd change the subject too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 11, 2023, 01:42:28 PM
Quote from: messy gael on March 11, 2023, 11:10:57 AM
Quote from: Lotto on March 09, 2023, 08:21:12 PM
Quote from: messy gael on March 09, 2023, 07:55:31 PM
Quote from: Lotto on March 09, 2023, 06:43:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 09, 2023, 12:27:03 PM
I am always open to a good debate on all things Down but the constant whingers will be drowned out as there is now a pathway developing and a pride coming into that famous Down jersey again.

I don't share your optimism and believe me, I, and I'm sure others, will not be 'drowned out' as you put it. There are more players now prepared to play for Down which is a positive but not all of those Kilcoo players are good enough to play for Down. As for a a pride coming, our reputation is already being questioned with the antics of our manager along the line. Never before have we stooped to the levels of many other teams but the higher the stakes get, I'd imagine the lower we'll be going.


Lotto

As per usual you just cant see past your hatred for Kilcoo & Laverty.... for years we bemoaned the lack of Kilcoo players not backing the county and putting their shoulder to the wheel... Now its eventually happening your still giving off about the quality or as you put it lack of quality.... How would we ever know if they are good enough as they havent been there in the past and surely we need to see if they are good enough by seeing them on the field.

Who are they ahead off they shouldnt be ??  Given its the managers first season surely he has to look at as many as possible ??

As regard stooping low thats absolute crap... i've seen Fermanagh / Cavan play games firing balls onto the field & talk shite this year also... ur hatred view of the manager doesnt let you see what other crap the oppositions are up too

Interesting first post.



You did a great job at replying with an educated answer

You're gonna be some craic on here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 11, 2023, 02:00:50 PM
Down beaten 5-13 to 1-3 by Derry in the minor league. Looks like we're still miles behind the better teams at that level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on March 11, 2023, 02:10:27 PM
That's a hammering. That should ring alarm bells. We are well of the pace in ulster. When is the last time we beat Derry or Tyrone team at underage?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on March 11, 2023, 02:55:07 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on March 10, 2023, 12:15:15 PM
Ruiri O Hare
Danny Magill
Eoghan Byrne
Tom Close
Billy Campbell
Cathal Gorman
Lad from Downpatrick name escapes me


All well capable of playing in the roles the older lads are playing in

None of the older lads are playing in big positions
Sweeper
Midfield
Wing forwards

Hardly big positions

midfield and sweeper arent big positions?
last i checked the complaints about down were our lack of midfield and how much they are conceding .

Ruiri O Hare was on panel -Injured
Danny Magill was on or is still on panel
Eoghan Byrne possibly
Tom Close was on panel
Billy Campbell possibly but more a man marker
Cathal Gorman not shown consistently enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 13, 2023, 03:00:52 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on March 11, 2023, 02:10:27 PM
That's a hammering. That should ring alarm bells. We are well of the pace in ulster. When is the last time we beat Derry or Tyrone team at underage?

We have been miles behind Tyrone and Derry for years so it comes as no shock. Apart from a shared title in 2020 ST Colman's have reached only a final in 2017 and haven't won the trophy outright since 2011 in which in took the transfer of Mooney to get them over the line in 2010 or 2011. The Abbey haven't been in a final since 2006 when they beat St Louis with a flukey last gasp goal. St Louis and St Marks play C grade and the Red high and St Malachys play B grade.

Other counties have their coaches in secondary schools as development officers yet we still have ours doing PE for primary school teachers.

Down GAA wont improve players without improving coaching and structures in our schools. I have said this for years.

Men like Pat O'Hare, PJ McGee , Barney McAleenan and Ray Morgan and Pete McGrath are few and far between in the county now. Teachers don't want the added pressures of coaching.  Tyrone and Derry have the right structures in place both on and off the field with their excellent facilities as well.  I hope our development manager and coaching officer gets a meeting with all the heads off GAA is schools and decides a pathway for going forward. We need coaches in secondary schools.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 13, 2023, 03:06:26 PM
This year is 25 years since 1999 with Ulster and 18 years since the All Ireland in 2005.  That's scary for a county this size and we needs to get to the root causes of our failures before we can improve. Schools is one of them but there are a lot of causes that need rectified.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 13, 2023, 03:08:45 PM
Ten years since the below was rolled out too. Still no success at underage

DOWN GAA CONSULTATIVE PROCESS
DEVELOPING THE NEXT GENERATION - A VISION FOR DOWN GAELIC FOOTBALL

Down GAA is currently conducting a consultative process in relation to Gaelic Football in Down and over the coming months we are holding a number of meetings and workshopsto engage the thoughts and feeling of the various stakeholders that make up the Down GAA family.
We want to gather the views of anyone who has an interest in Down GAA, be it Administrators, Coaches, Parents, Teachers, GAA members or supporters.

With this in mind the following meetings have been arranged for people to voice their opinion:

11th June: Wellington Park Hotel Belfast
7pm -8.15pm - Schools - Primary and Post Primary
8.30pm - 10pm - GAA Family - Parents and Supporters

12th June: St. Patrick's Centre Downpatrick
7pm - 8.15pm - Schools - Primary and Post Primary
8.30pm - 10pm - GAA Family - Parents and Supporters

18th June: St, Patrick's Centre, Downpatrick
7pm to 8.15pm - County Players (including ex county players)
8.30pm - 10pm - Club Administrators and Coaches

2nd July: Canal Court Hotel Newry
7pm - 8.15pm - County Players (including ex county players)
8.30pm - 10pm - Club Administrators and Coaches

3rd July: Canal Court Hotel, Newry
7pm - 8.15pm - County Players (including ex county players)
8.30 - 10pm - Club Administrators and Coaches

9th July: Burrendale Hotel, Newcastle:
7pm - 8.15pm - Schools, Primary and Post Primary
8.30pm - 10pm - GAA Family - Parents, Supporters

10th July - Burrendale Hotel, Newcastle
7pm - 8.15pm - County Players (including ex county players)
8.30 - 10pm - Club Administrators and Coaches

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on March 13, 2023, 03:52:57 PM
Yet the people in these coaching and development roles have barely changed for the last 10/15 years. Time for serious change surely? Madness.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 13, 2023, 05:57:36 PM
A lot to take in there in the last few posts but all very accurate. Do we need to change the people in the coaching roles to get any resemblance of success as suggested by Lloyd P? Will this lead to automatic betterment within the county over say a 5 year period - I'm not sure..

The vision for Down GAA was an excellent idea/concept and I recall meetings being well attended etc but what has come out of them since? How can we not get a group of people together from all sides of the county and put a blue print in place for them to follow and watch them carry it out? Every other county seems to do this and the ego of the coach is not allowed to supersede the overall picture.
And finally - schools football - we won two hogans back to back in 10/11 and still got nothing at county minor level - so don't read so much into school success meaning county success - unfortunately it's not that easy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on March 13, 2023, 06:19:58 PM
Fact is, there are people that have been being paid high salaries over a long period of time in the county to put the correct structures in place and to deliver progress and inevitably success and it hasn't happened. If this was a PLC what would happen here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 13, 2023, 09:56:29 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on March 13, 2023, 06:19:58 PM
Fact is, there are people that have been being paid high salaries over a long period of time in the county to put the correct structures in place and to deliver progress and inevitably success and it hasn't happened. If this was a PLC what would happen here?

I'd say these people are tied to contracts though and it's not easy to get shot of staff who have them. But I think like in every single job out there - there should be accountability for their pay - that's not necessarily winning all irelands - but we should definitely be seeing progress - we are not seeing that at present.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 14, 2023, 08:50:30 AM
I would like to see us cast the net wider for development squads. Give more u15 and 16s a chance to train in a high performance environment with access to gyms etc. Instead of carting 40 boys to Downpatrick on a Saturday morning we should have subsidiary's in the North, South, East and West of the county. We will have a better chance of unearthing county players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 17, 2023, 01:53:11 PM
The bottom line is that every player starts & finishes with his club.
If we are not producing players it is not the fault of development squads, schools, the county board or anyone else.
Players need to be better coached at all age levels in their clubs, everything after that is a bonus or additional.
Look at your club's coaching structure & strategy & at the people you have coaching your young players. If these are lacking then ask how you can improve them.
There is no silver bullet. It starts with hard work & dedication from club volunteers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on March 17, 2023, 02:43:37 PM
Agree but it does help if good quality management setups are in place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on March 17, 2023, 05:10:42 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 14, 2023, 08:50:30 AM
I would like to see us cast the net wider for development squads. Give more u15 and 16s a chance to train in a high performance environment with access to gyms etc. Instead of carting 40 boys to Downpatrick on a Saturday morning we should have subsidiary's in the North, South, East and West of the county. We will have a better chance of unearthing county players.

For lads to be given the chance to train at a high level within Down, we obviously need high performance coaches to deliver at this standard. This just isn't happening in our County and never has. Where are these gyms for lads to have access to, great reports with what Aaron Brannigan was doing but he is only one man. BTW, it's not a case of unearthing talent but developing and nuturing our next generation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on March 18, 2023, 02:27:04 PM
Down v Longford tonight.
Looks an experimental team so prob realise even if we win both games we will still miss out on promotion.
Good to see McElroy back from injury. Havern at midfield is worth a look.
Think there will be a couple of switches before throw in though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 18, 2023, 02:34:19 PM
Havern hasn't been as effective in the full forward role since Barry O'Hagan got injured. Up until then they had developed a promising understanding, it was a huge turning point in our season so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 18, 2023, 04:52:46 PM
Todays earlier results in division 3 mean Down can't be promoted even if we win the last 2 games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on March 18, 2023, 04:56:03 PM
Our slim chance of promotion is gone now after fermanaghs victory.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 18, 2023, 10:34:48 PM
A horrible injury sustained by Mark Walsh - let's hope he can make a full recovery. A strange performance tonight - looked really good at times but decidedly average at other times. Are we any closer to a championship team/panel at this stage?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 19, 2023, 08:52:39 AM
Sometimes we look no different from other years. Still afraid to take a shot at the posts from distance. Longford scored some magnificent points from distance last night. Dreadful injury not really sure what happened. Did he land badly. Championship 6 weeks away it's a big ask for this team to get past Donegal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on March 19, 2023, 03:34:46 PM
Bad injury to Mark Walsh. He will be missed in the setup. I wish him a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 19, 2023, 07:10:23 PM
Didn't see what happened to Walsh, was at the far side but obviously knew it wasn't good with the delay and bringing the medics on. Hopefully it's nothing long term? Wish him quick recovery.

6 weeks now to prepare for Donegal. By looks of it there are still plenty of positions up for grabs. Any idea if few of the injured players will be back in contention for it? McCabe, Guinness, Annett, S Johnson, Donnelly, and who ever else I've missed out.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 20, 2023, 09:27:07 AM
Best wishes to Walsh, a massive loss to Ballyholland for division 2.
A dead match the other night after the news that we couldn't get promoted. We have become a bit predictable and haven't kicked on since the start of the league. Donegal should be a big target though and a run in the championship is needed. Still good signs from the camp and everyone is putting the shoulder to the wheel. Murdock and Magill will now play u20 which will be some boost to them versus Tyrone.
A good response from the minors after the hammering last week too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 20, 2023, 10:21:49 AM
The U20 game being a Wed night in Omagh isn't ideal for supporters. But it may be on tg4 youtube. Unfortunately Ulster and Munster U20 are straight knockout. Beating tyrone in their own backyard a youth ask. They are the yardstick so a good performance is required.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Granto on March 20, 2023, 08:54:41 PM
Is that game not fixed for next week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 22, 2023, 08:56:21 AM
is it true Eugene Brannigan has left the county again?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on March 22, 2023, 09:03:24 AM
No hes still with them, slight injury last weekend i heard but nothing serious.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 22, 2023, 11:20:09 AM
Match v Offaly this weekend - does the management pick the team closest to their championship team or continue to give lads a chance so we have a panel of 20 for the game that can be relied on in the heat of championship???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on March 22, 2023, 12:49:27 PM
hoping they put out the best team to get them working together as much as possible. Any early reports on how clubs are doing in pre season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 22, 2023, 01:12:16 PM
Hearing pitches have been a problem with pre-season and a lot of games called off due to the inclement weather. GAA clubs need to be pushing the councils for all weather facilities
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 22, 2023, 02:53:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 22, 2023, 01:12:16 PM
Hearing pitches have been a problem with pre-season and a lot of games called off due to the inclement weather. GAA clubs need to be pushing the councils for all weather facilities

Again with this council nonsense. Give it up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 22, 2023, 04:47:25 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on March 22, 2023, 02:53:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 22, 2023, 01:12:16 PM
Hearing pitches have been a problem with pre-season and a lot of games called off due to the inclement weather. GAA clubs need to be pushing the councils for all weather facilities

Again with this council nonsense. Give it up.

what's nonsense about pushing councillors, Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 22, 2023, 08:55:26 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 22, 2023, 01:12:16 PM
Hearing pitches have been a problem with pre-season and a lot of games called off due to the inclement weather. GAA clubs need to be pushing the councils for all weather facilities

All weather pitches - I'm not sure the LGFA would agree here.. at their recent O'Connor cup weekend played on all weather pitches there were 3 ACL injuries. Reports are now showing a correlation between these pitches and the injury.
The question I ask is - why are clubs so over protective of their pitches? In literally 3 weeks the leagues start and all games will go ahead if the pitches are cut up or not - just let them train. Take the groups in smaller numbers on the pitch and move them around the pitch not staying in one place. I always admire the likes of Clonduff/Mayobridge/Glen who train away. If the pitch cuts up - so be it we will straighten it out when the weather gets better..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on March 22, 2023, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 22, 2023, 01:12:16 PM
Hearing pitches have been a problem with pre-season and a lot of games called off due to the inclement weather. GAA clubs need to be pushing the councils for all weather facilities
Probably at the top of their list  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on March 22, 2023, 11:51:02 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 22, 2023, 08:55:26 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 22, 2023, 01:12:16 PM
Hearing pitches have been a problem with pre-season and a lot of games called off due to the inclement weather. GAA clubs need to be pushing the councils for all weather facilities

All weather pitches - I'm not sure the LGFA would agree here.. at their recent O'Connor cup weekend played on all weather pitches there were 3 ACL injuries. Reports are now showing a correlation between these pitches and the injury.
The question I ask is - why are clubs so over protective of their pitches? In literally 3 weeks the leagues start and all games will go ahead if the pitches are cut up or not - just let them train. Take the groups in smaller numbers on the pitch and move them around the pitch not staying in one place. I always admire the likes of Clonduff/Mayobridge/Glen who train away. If the pitch cuts up - so be it we will straighten it out when the weather gets better..


Not practical if your surface is consistently saturated at times like this, and you only have one pitch. The pitch is in bits before the season evens starts. 2 of the clubs you mention have 3 pitches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 23, 2023, 08:44:43 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 22, 2023, 08:55:26 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 22, 2023, 01:12:16 PM
Hearing pitches have been a problem with pre-season and a lot of games called off due to the inclement weather. GAA clubs need to be pushing the councils for all weather facilities

All weather pitches - I'm not sure the LGFA would agree here.. at their recent O'Connor cup weekend played on all weather pitches there were 3 ACL injuries. Reports are now showing a correlation between these pitches and the injury.
The question I ask is - why are clubs so over protective of their pitches? In literally 3 weeks the leagues start and all games will go ahead if the pitches are cut up or not - just let them train. Take the groups in smaller numbers on the pitch and move them around the pitch not staying in one place. I always admire the likes of Clonduff/Mayobridge/Glen who train away. If the pitch cuts up - so be it we will straighten it out when the weather gets better..

Clonduff and Mayobridge have floodlit training facilities. Therefore they can over train on these but keep another pitch for games. Glenn with their new facilities won't have that issue .

I don't blame clubs being protective with pitches at this time of the year, it makes sense and there will be plenty of time for matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 23, 2023, 10:18:48 AM
4 weeks on Sunday we play Donegal in Newry, this will be a great occasion. I am very confident after what has been going on in the Donegal senior set up. It will be great to set O'Rourke and Bradley staying on too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on March 23, 2023, 11:11:47 AM
Near certain that Donegal match is away
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 23, 2023, 11:41:20 AM
It is in Donegal, they were drawn first... Pressure on Laverty imo, Donegal in disarray atm lose to them would be a disaster
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 23, 2023, 11:47:03 AM
It's in Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 23, 2023, 11:53:11 AM
Quote from: ardtole on March 23, 2023, 11:47:03 AM
It's in Newry.

How come the switch? Is this where if you've not had a home Championship draw for so many years you automatically get a Home draw the next year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 23, 2023, 11:56:18 AM
Not sure but according to Ulster gaa page it's in Newry at 2pm 23 April and the ref is to be confirmed as of yet.

The atmosphere at the league games in Newry has been excellent this year, I'm really looking forward to this game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on March 23, 2023, 12:48:39 PM
Most games I saw Donegal play this  year I thought they looked ok and held their one and arguably should have beat Armagh.  Mayo beat them well but Mayo are just a different level at the minute. They have been playing div 1 which is a much higher level than Div 3  so they would be expected to still win this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 23, 2023, 01:24:20 PM
I wouldn't give us much hope of beating a seasoned div 1 team regardless if they're relegated this weekend. We are div 3 for a reason and still will be next year. We've a long way to go . The McKenna cup built false hope on the squad. They were just much fitter than the other teams played. But a crack at the Tailteann is more than achievable. A few years away yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on March 23, 2023, 01:53:29 PM
i dont think a tailteann will be high on the agenda for this group, it wasnt last year and i dont think the management will push a B comp this year either , all the chat is for making ulster final .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on March 23, 2023, 04:12:40 PM
Anyone thinking the pressure is on down to beat Donegal is deluded. They are still a serious team and I wouldn't be fooled by poor league form in a tough division 1. What have Down shown to suggest they would be favourites to win this one? A good run in the qualifiers would be a sign of good progress for Down this year and something to build on in year 2 with a strong squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 23, 2023, 04:15:29 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on March 23, 2023, 04:12:40 PM
Anyone thinking the pressure is on down to beat Donegal is deluded. They are still a serious team and I wouldn't be fooled by poor league form in a tough division 1. What have Down shown to suggest they would be favourites to win this one? A good run in the qualifiers would be a sign of good progress for Down this year and something to build on in year 2 with a strong squad.

No such thing as qualifiers Llyod, lose you're out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 23, 2023, 07:38:34 PM
Quote from: skat man on March 23, 2023, 01:53:29 PM
i dont think a tailteann will be high on the agenda for this group, it wasnt last year and i dont think the management will push a B comp this year either , all the chat is for making ulster final .

I'd disagree, in the immediate term the focus will be on the Donegal game. And I would give us a good chance, they will obviously be favourites, but they are at a low ebb, I'm hoping we get an early lead, have a strong crowd supporting us and hopefully get over the line.

If we fail to make an Ulster final and play in the Tailtain cup I think Laverty will go 100% to win it. The prize is automatic qualification for Sam Maguire the following season which even promotion next season does not guarantee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 23, 2023, 10:15:37 PM
Promotion was gone with two games to go in a poor league conceding an average of 18 points a game and thank goodness Antrim and Westmeath collapsed at the finishing line or it would have been relegation and yet people are saying we are above the Tailtean Cup.

Saying all that we should beat Donegal in Newry who are at the lowest ebb in their history and not sure any team will ever be as under prepared for an Ulster championship match than them who will be minus Murphy, McBrearty and a Manager.

Truth hurts mentioned Eugene Brannigan had left the panel, hope this is true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 24, 2023, 09:19:44 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 23, 2023, 10:15:37 PM
Promotion was gone with two games to go in a poor league conceding an average of 18 points a game and thank goodness Antrim and Westmeath collapsed at the finishing line or it would have been relegation and yet people are saying we are above the Tailtean Cup.

Saying all that we should beat Donegal in Newry who are at the lowest ebb in their history and not sure any team will ever be as under prepared for an Ulster championship match than them who will be minus Murphy, McBrearty and a Manager.

Truth hurts mentioned Eugene Brannigan had left the panel, hope this is true.

Why do you hope its true ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 24, 2023, 09:48:17 AM
QuoteHi Folks!!

It has been no secret that Newry Mitchels have been struggling in recent years, but we continue to try field a competitive team in Division 4. Every passing year this is becoming more and more challenging without a stream of underage players coming into the senior setup.

We would like to encourage anyone interesting in playing football this year to come along on Wednesday evening at the Abbey Grammar School @7pm. Whether you haven't played before, or have been away from the game for a long time and want to get back involved we would love to see you!!

We would be grateful if you could spread this message to anyone you think might be interested, this is going to be a pivotal year in the survival of the club.

We are also looking for people to help with the off field administration, please PM if you have any questions.

Mitchels gone from Div 4 already. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 24, 2023, 09:54:44 AM
Quote from: No1 on March 24, 2023, 09:48:17 AM
QuoteHi Folks!!

It has been no secret that Newry Mitchels have been struggling in recent years, but we continue to try field a competitive team in Division 4. Every passing year this is becoming more and more challenging without a stream of underage players coming into the senior setup.

We would like to encourage anyone interesting in playing football this year to come along on Wednesday evening at the Abbey Grammar School @7pm. Whether you haven't played before, or have been away from the game for a long time and want to get back involved we would love to see you!!

We would be grateful if you could spread this message to anyone you think might be interested, this is going to be a pivotal year in the survival of the club.

We are also looking for people to help with the off field administration, please PM if you have any questions.

Mitchels gone from Div 4 already.

It is sad to see the demise of a club stepped in history.

But....No work at underage though always pays poor dividend in later years. My call for amalgamations will happen down the line and people will say that Truth hurts was right.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 24, 2023, 10:48:59 AM
Probably should have suggested it within your own club then shouldn't you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 24, 2023, 11:07:26 AM
Quote from: No1 on March 24, 2023, 10:48:59 AM
Probably should have suggested it within your own club then shouldn't you?

I have said it for years, Dundrum and Ballykinlar should be amalgamated. And in years to come Ardglass and Kilclief could be too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 24, 2023, 12:32:07 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 24, 2023, 11:07:26 AM
Quote from: No1 on March 24, 2023, 10:48:59 AM
Probably should have suggested it within your own club then shouldn't you?

I have said it for years, Dundrum and Ballykinlar should be amalgamated. And in years to come Ardglass and Kilclief could be too.

Ballykinlar players had the chance but went to Finn, St John's and Ardglass instead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 24, 2023, 01:05:52 PM
Karl Lacey heading back to  Donegal underage, that is a big blow to the Magpies. Mussen and Johnston will stay for the season now .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 24, 2023, 01:09:15 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 24, 2023, 12:32:07 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 24, 2023, 11:07:26 AM
Quote from: No1 on March 24, 2023, 10:48:59 AM
Probably should have suggested it within your own club then shouldn't you?

I have said it for years, Dundrum and Ballykinlar should be amalgamated. And in years to come Ardglass and Kilclief could be too.

Ballykinlar players had the chance but went to Finn, St John's and Ardglass instead

Ballykinlar approached these clubs for amalgamation? Seems strange given the locations.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on March 25, 2023, 08:37:34 AM
Mitchell's gone seriously ? Flip me then the fixtures need redone for div 4 yes ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 25, 2023, 08:39:39 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on March 25, 2023, 08:37:34 AM
Mitchell's gone seriously ? Flip me then the fixtures need redone for div 4 yes ?

Teams will just get a bye the week they are meant to play them.. Has happened over the years when Kinlar, Killyleagh and Mitchell's struggled to field before
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on March 25, 2023, 10:14:52 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 25, 2023, 08:39:39 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on March 25, 2023, 08:37:34 AM
Mitchell's gone seriously ? Flip me then the fixtures need redone for div 4 yes ?

Teams will just get a bye the week they are meant to play them.. Has happened over the years when Kinlar, Killyleagh and Mitchell's struggled to field before

Hearing that div 4 starts 14th April now so must be redrawn fixtures.
Anyone for Offaly ?  Am heading down today stopping overnight. Was booked ages ago but dead rubber now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 25, 2023, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 25, 2023, 08:39:39 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on March 25, 2023, 08:37:34 AM
Mitchell's gone seriously ? Flip me then the fixtures need redone for div 4 yes ?

Teams will just get a bye the week they are meant to play them.. Has happened over the years when Kinlar, Killyleagh and Mitchell's struggled to field before

Fixtures are to be re-drawn.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 25, 2023, 01:14:27 PM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on March 25, 2023, 10:14:52 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 25, 2023, 08:39:39 AM
Quote from: Lecale Gael on March 25, 2023, 08:37:34 AM
Mitchell's gone seriously ? Flip me then the fixtures need redone for div 4 yes ?

Teams will just get a bye the week they are meant to play them.. Has happened over the years when Kinlar, Killyleagh and Mitchell's struggled to field before

Hearing that div 4 starts 14th April now so must be redrawn fixtures.
Anyone for Offaly ?  Am heading down today stopping overnight. Was booked ages ago but dead rubber now

I'm going myself. Might get some indication of the team to start v Donegal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 26, 2023, 05:21:55 PM
Great win today to round of the league, especially against an Offaly team still with something to play for, lots of different scorers and some very good individual performances. Hopefully sets us up well for a good crack at Donegal, who took another trimming today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 26, 2023, 05:56:11 PM
I thought Danny Magill had a very good game today. Ryan McEvoy got a heavy hit in injury time. He looked to be in a lot of pain, I'm hoping he is OK for the Donegal game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 26, 2023, 11:17:07 PM
After 7 games in the league - none of which were lined out as per programme - predictions for championship lineout will start soon. Here goes:

Niall Kane
Peter Fegan
Ryan McEvoy
Fin McElroy
Pearse Laverty (C)
Ryan Magill
Ryan Johnston
Odhran Murdock
Owen McCabe
Miceal Rooney
Donnach McAleenan
Ceilum Doherty
Liam Kerr
Pat Havern
Jerome Johnston

Possible subs to be used:
Andrew Gilmore
Niall McParland
Conor Fitzpatrick
Shane Annett
Patrick Brannigan

An out and out scoring threat could be our downfall in this game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 26, 2023, 11:48:26 PM
Quote from: messy gael on March 26, 2023, 03:39:28 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 23, 2023, 10:15:37 PM
Promotion was gone with two games to go in a poor league conceding an average of 18 points a game and thank goodness Antrim and Westmeath collapsed at the finishing line or it would have been relegation and yet people are saying we are above the Tailtean Cup.

Saying all that we should beat Donegal in Newry who are at the lowest ebb in their history and not sure any team will ever be as under prepared for an Ulster championship match than them who will be minus Murphy, McBrearty and a Manager.

Truth hurts mentioned Eugene Brannigan had left the panel, hope this is true.



Eugene will have made redandblackareback very happy today.... Lol  ;D ;D :D ;D

Is that how far we have fallen? Celebrating Eugene scoring a couple of.points in a dead rubber game against a Hurling county???

What's next celebrating a Tailtean Cup win over Waterford?.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on March 27, 2023, 01:41:57 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 26, 2023, 11:48:26 PM
Quote from: messy gael on March 26, 2023, 03:39:28 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 23, 2023, 10:15:37 PM
Promotion was gone with two games to go in a poor league conceding an average of 18 points a game and thank goodness Antrim and Westmeath collapsed at the finishing line or it would have been relegation and yet people are saying we are above the Tailtean Cup.

Saying all that we should beat Donegal in Newry who are at the lowest ebb in their history and not sure any team will ever be as under prepared for an Ulster championship match than them who will be minus Murphy, McBrearty and a Manager.

Truth hurts mentioned Eugene Brannigan had left the panel, hope this is true.



Eugene will have made redandblackareback very happy today.... Lol  ;D ;D :D ;D

Is that how far we have fallen? Celebrating Eugene scoring a couple of.points in a dead rubber game against a Hurling county???

What's next celebrating a Tailtean Cup win over Waterford?.
your some laugh red talking about how far we have fallen when your wishing lads of the panel.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 27, 2023, 08:46:08 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 26, 2023, 11:48:26 PM
Quote from: messy gael on March 26, 2023, 03:39:28 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 23, 2023, 10:15:37 PM
Promotion was gone with two games to go in a poor league conceding an average of 18 points a game and thank goodness Antrim and Westmeath collapsed at the finishing line or it would have been relegation and yet people are saying we are above the Tailtean Cup.

Saying all that we should beat Donegal in Newry who are at the lowest ebb in their history and not sure any team will ever be as under prepared for an Ulster championship match than them who will be minus Murphy, McBrearty and a Manager.

Truth hurts mentioned Eugene Brannigan had left the panel, hope this is true.



Eugene will have made redandblackareback very happy today.... Lol  ;D ;D :D ;D

Is that how far we have fallen? Celebrating Eugene scoring a couple of.points in a dead rubber game against a Hurling county???

What's next celebrating a Tailtean Cup win over Waterford?.
Offaly are in the same Division as us and we aren't even a hurling county.  Support the team or move on. It's a work in progress.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 27, 2023, 10:05:43 AM
A good performance yesterday and there should be huge positivity heading into the Donegal game. There is great competition for places and there should be a huge crowd in Newry that day.
A big game for the u20s on Wednesday and it was be a huge boost for them to win in Omagh. Also well done to the u17s who got a few results after the hammering in Derry. It is not all doom and gloom in the county :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on March 27, 2023, 10:23:00 AM
Great result yesterday, with a good performance. Players who started all gave a good account of themselves, but would be a few changes come championship but would like to see the bulk of them boys starting. Looked alot better defensively yesterday and Magill really added something going forward.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on March 27, 2023, 02:01:14 PM
The only real measure of progress we have is against Offaly in the league last year. I remember a very embarrassing game in NEWRY. Progress has certainly been made as Offaly had everything to play for yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on March 27, 2023, 02:22:51 PM
Also Offaly have 3 AI football titles... None of them a lifetime ago.

The dead rubber game wasn't a dead rubber for Offaly who could have got promoted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 27, 2023, 03:41:54 PM
I for one would be delighted if we win the Tailteann Cup. We need a run in any championship at any level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 27, 2023, 03:58:59 PM
Anyone know if the U20s will be streamed on Wednesday night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 27, 2023, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: messy gael on March 27, 2023, 04:43:30 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 27, 2023, 03:58:59 PM
Anyone know if the U20s will be streamed on Wednesday night?



Monaghan v Armagh was streamed on Saturday past ... Given its in Omagh... I would imagine it be likely
On what streaming site?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on March 28, 2023, 11:14:55 AM
Any word of an under 20s team/squad List?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on March 29, 2023, 08:01:23 AM
How much are these u20 games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 29, 2023, 08:27:10 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 29, 2023, 08:01:23 AM
How much are these u20 games?
10 euro. I'd go only i live in Dublin. Omagh too far for a week night. Thankfully its streamed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on March 29, 2023, 08:34:42 AM
Might be on the dodgy stick. McKenna Cup games were.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 29, 2023, 09:08:06 AM
Any word on the Down team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 29, 2023, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2023, 09:08:06 AM
Any word on the Down team?
Whats the point asking for a team? It will be the normal kilcoo nonsense with about 7 changes to the starting line up and 3 or 4 to the squad like the seniors every week, fooling absolutely nobody. 

Tyrone have had 4 posts on the official Twitter last 24hrs about their U20s including the starting team. Downs last tweet was nearly 3 days ago. Good luck trying to get updates later.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on March 29, 2023, 01:26:10 PM
Quote from: messy gael on March 29, 2023, 01:17:54 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 29, 2023, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2023, 09:08:06 AM
Any word on the Down team?
Whats the point asking for a team? It will be the normal kilcoo nonsense with about 7 changes to the starting line up and 3 or 4 to the squad like the seniors every week, fooling absolutely nobody. 

Tyrone have had 4 posts on the official Twitter last 24hrs about their U20s including the starting team. Downs last tweet was nearly 3 days ago. Good luck trying to get updates later.



Are you travelling to the Game R&B ?

No, to busy - its lambing season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 29, 2023, 01:44:09 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 29, 2023, 01:26:10 PM
Quote from: messy gael on March 29, 2023, 01:17:54 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 29, 2023, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2023, 09:08:06 AM
Any word on the Down team?
Whats the point asking for a team? It will be the normal kilcoo nonsense with about 7 changes to the starting line up and 3 or 4 to the squad like the seniors every week, fooling absolutely nobody. 

Tyrone have had 4 posts on the official Twitter last 24hrs about their U20s including the starting team. Downs last tweet was nearly 3 days ago. Good luck trying to get updates later.





Are you travelling to the Game R&B ?

No, to busy - its lambing season

You need help to get the rent free magpies out of your head lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on March 29, 2023, 01:50:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2023, 09:08:06 AM
Any word on the Down team?

Teams here:

https://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Tyrone-v-Down-U20.pdf

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on March 29, 2023, 02:09:21 PM
Id say your an enjoybale person to be around R&B. You'll be a happy man if Down are turnt over in 4 weeks time. Laverty will be in the job next year regardless, another year of pain for yourself. We've taken a step forward this year, regardless off what happens from this point onwards.

''Hes like a man with a fork, in a world full of soup''.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 29, 2023, 02:22:34 PM
On paper it look's a good team, good luck to players and management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 29, 2023, 02:22:58 PM
10 Burren players on the first 24 , that's some going for Burren tbf Can they stand up to the magpies in the summer though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 29, 2023, 02:26:24 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 29, 2023, 02:22:34 PM
On paper it look's a good team, good luck to players and management.

Yes its not a bad team and I at least expect them to be competing strongly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on March 29, 2023, 05:09:16 PM
8 Burren starters and this group never won an Ulster minor club title?? :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 29, 2023, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 29, 2023, 05:09:16 PM
8 Burren starters and this group never won an Ulster minor club title?? :o

Was it not cancelled for 2 years due to covid??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on March 29, 2023, 05:57:20 PM
Expect to see some changes to the line up.before the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on March 29, 2023, 06:16:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 29, 2023, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 29, 2023, 05:09:16 PM
8 Burren starters and this group never won an Ulster minor club title?? :o

Was it not cancelled for 2 years due to covid??

It was but would these lads not be same age as Lavey crop who won 2 in a row?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on March 29, 2023, 08:53:25 PM
This is huge step in the right direction for Down football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ClubScene13 on March 29, 2023, 08:54:24 PM
That's some result for you men in the U20s. That Tyrone team is littered with AI champions from last year and schools medals, as well as Sigerson experience. Brilliant result for Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 29, 2023, 08:59:52 PM
Fantastic result for Down and well deserved! Some brilliant displays and as a team they never stopped, great step in the right direction. Well done Laverty and the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 29, 2023, 09:01:24 PM
Brilliant win for Down and fully deserved, to go to Omagh, get the win and play like that takes some doing. Tyrone were heavily tipped for the all Ireland again, a real team performance tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on March 29, 2023, 09:01:42 PM
Great performance. Is that the first time we have beat a Tyrone team in the championship at any level since 2008?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 29, 2023, 09:08:52 PM
Fantastic performance from Down. Took our scores well and defended magnificently. Tyrone are an excellent team. Down v Monaghan next. Not sure if it's a neutral venue ??

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 29, 2023, 09:16:22 PM
Laverty gets results, to win in Omagh against the All Ireland holders is a fantastic achievement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on March 29, 2023, 09:28:55 PM
Redandblack, please don't do anything stupid. You must be devastated. Hope the lambing going well!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: covid20 on March 29, 2023, 09:38:10 PM
Well done Down.Fair play to Burren as a Club for bringing through these young players to contribute to our County teams.The way it should be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 29, 2023, 10:14:37 PM
Serious victory for the U20's away in Omagh, well done those involved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on March 30, 2023, 06:30:37 AM
The Burren club have to be very optimistic at the minute. The have some talent coming through and lavery is getting the best out of them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 30, 2023, 08:50:23 AM
relax men :) Did all the scorers not come the few East Down players that were on the pitch.
Exciting times for Down at the minute. The players in all teams in hurling and football putting the shoulder to the wheel and being treated well by the county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 30, 2023, 11:17:00 AM
Is the under 20 game available to watch online now? Couldn't get watching it last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 30, 2023, 12:03:48 PM
Redandblackareback is he ok?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 30, 2023, 12:11:20 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on March 30, 2023, 11:17:00 AM
Is the under 20 game available to watch online now? Couldn't get watching it last night.
Should be available on Ulstergaa TV. Prob still charge a tenner though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on March 30, 2023, 12:11:50 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 29, 2023, 06:16:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on March 29, 2023, 05:39:41 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 29, 2023, 05:09:16 PM
8 Burren starters and this group never won an Ulster minor club title?? :o

Was it not cancelled for 2 years due to covid??

It was but would these lads not be same age as Lavey crop who won 2 in a row?

No - Lavey won Ulster minor in 2019 - this Burren team won u16 McGirr that year.

They did play that Lavey team in McGirr semi as a largely u15 team in 2018 ( think there were 3 last year u16 players started that day) and lost by a point - should have beat Lavey that day - awful amount of wides from Burren if I remember correctly.

Then they missed the McConville cup due to CV19 pause in 2020, plus they only had one year at minor due to the u17 switch.

Given that they beat everyone by about 20 points in the '19 McGirr they would have been very strong favourites to win a minor too, but unfortunately a lot of football was lost that year - they were lucky to even get a county championship in back then - dark days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 30, 2023, 01:06:40 PM
Quote from: messy gael on March 30, 2023, 01:05:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 30, 2023, 12:03:48 PM
Redandblackareback is he ok?


Busy Lambing Sheep with Lav

LOL and Eugene
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 30, 2023, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: messy gael on March 30, 2023, 01:05:47 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 30, 2023, 12:03:48 PM
Redandblackareback is he ok?


Busy Lambing Sheep with Lav

Sure his wee 4yo can lamb sheep now, no need for anyone else.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on March 30, 2023, 04:59:04 PM
This U20 team were shocked by Fermanagh Minors 3 years ago managed by wee James.Some improvement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on March 31, 2023, 02:56:44 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on March 29, 2023, 01:15:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2023, 09:08:06 AM
Any word on the Down team?
Whats the point asking for a team? It will be the normal kilcoo nonsense with about 7 changes to the starting line up and 3 or 4 to the squad like the seniors every week, fooling absolutely nobody. 


Awk I do feel sorry for you mate.. as if electric, heating oil and diesel wasn't high enough at the minute.. you aren't even getting any rent from the Kilcoo boys living in your head 24/7..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 03, 2023, 02:20:30 PM
any updates on how teams pre-season is going. Bryansford are getting good numbers I heard at training.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 03, 2023, 04:43:37 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 03, 2023, 02:20:30 PM
any updates on how teams pre-season is going. Bryansford are getting good numbers I heard at training.
looking forward to it all.TH,how's your own Club shaping up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 03, 2023, 07:34:01 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 03, 2023, 04:43:37 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 03, 2023, 02:20:30 PM
any updates on how teams pre-season is going. Bryansford are getting good numbers I heard at training.
looking forward to it all.TH,how's your own Club shaping up?


😉😆😅😂🤣
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 03, 2023, 08:39:27 PM
Losing players, operations, new management, bit of in house arguing, retirements - I just hope we can stay up to be honest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 03, 2023, 09:01:06 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 03, 2023, 08:39:27 PM
Losing players, operations, new management, bit of in house arguing, retirements - I just hope we can stay up to be honest.

Crafty ol fox Johnny 😉 Smoke and mirrors tactic lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 04, 2023, 10:38:27 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 03, 2023, 08:39:27 PM
Losing players, operations, new management, bit of in house arguing, retirements - I just hope we can stay up to be honest.

I have heard the Point are having a tough pre-season but they will be alright with everyone back in a few months.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 04, 2023, 11:22:08 AM
Down u20s won the toss for home advantage and will play the semi final against Monaghan at home on Wednesday 12th April
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 05, 2023, 11:14:26 AM
The atmosphere at Pairc Esler should be electric next week, and clubs should invite all youth teams to cheer on the players.

The county board should encourage more individuals to attend via the primary schools. It is something that Newry City frequently does.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 05, 2023, 11:38:50 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 05, 2023, 11:14:26 AM
The atmosphere at Pairc Esler should be electric next week, and clubs should invite all youth teams to cheer on the players.

The county board should encourage more individuals to attend via the primary schools. It is something that Newry City frequently does.

For an under 20 game? Unlikely.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 06, 2023, 08:44:44 AM
Burren won the u19 league last night, and the talent they are developing is frightening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Brick Tamlin on April 06, 2023, 09:08:05 AM
More frightening than the sheer amount of inane drivel you post on here daily?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on April 06, 2023, 09:21:24 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 06, 2023, 08:44:44 AM
Burren won the u19 league last night, and the talent they are developing is frightening.

how many teams entered?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 06, 2023, 09:32:31 AM
9 in the A competition
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 06, 2023, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 06, 2023, 08:44:44 AM
Burren won the u19 league last night, and the talent they are developing is frightening.

a very good game of football, fast and direct, yes a few periods of hand passing but all in all direct and some good long passing by both teams. we were in it to about the 50 min mark.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 06, 2023, 01:03:00 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 06, 2023, 08:44:44 AM
Burren won the u19 league last night, and the talent they are developing is frightening.

We beat Kilcoo in what was the quarter final stage and Burren absolutely hammered us in the semi finals. I thought we were decent and going the right way but they are a complete different level. Fair play to Bredagh for keeping it close for so long. There must be huge pressure on McCrory/Adams to win the championship this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 06, 2023, 07:57:58 PM
I cant see anyone beating Burren this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on April 06, 2023, 08:28:34 PM
Groundhog day   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 07, 2023, 08:59:16 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 06, 2023, 07:57:58 PM
I cant see anyone beating Burren this year.

Senior, premier reserve and reserve championship doubles. Nothing else is failure for Jim .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 07, 2023, 10:04:39 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 07, 2023, 08:59:16 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 06, 2023, 07:57:58 PM
I cant see anyone beating Burren this year.

Senior, premier reserve and reserve championship doubles. Nothing else is failure for Jim .
Sure throw in, Down, Ulster, All Ireland club championships as well while your at it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 07, 2023, 10:53:59 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on April 07, 2023, 10:04:39 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 07, 2023, 08:59:16 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 06, 2023, 07:57:58 PM
I cant see anyone beating Burren this year.

Senior, premier reserve and reserve championship doubles. Nothing else is failure for Jim .
Sure throw in, Down, Ulster, All Ireland club championships as well while your at it.


We won't go that far yet but they have a serious squad depth , its frightening the players at their disposal. Keeping them happy will be the hardest.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 08, 2023, 02:33:14 PM
Down minors destroyed in Clones.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 08, 2023, 02:46:13 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 08, 2023, 02:33:14 PM
Down minors destroyed in Clones.

Is it straight knock out or groups?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 08, 2023, 03:27:01 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 08, 2023, 02:46:13 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 08, 2023, 02:33:14 PM
Down minors destroyed in Clones.

Is it straight knock out or groups?
groups. Derry, Donegal, Fermanagh and Monaghan in Down's group. Top 4 go through to quarter finals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 08, 2023, 03:39:59 PM
Poor result for the minors. Hopefully they can recover in the temaing games. Are all the best lads at this age group in the county involved?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 08, 2023, 10:06:07 PM


Is it straight knock out or groups?
[/quote]groups. Derry, Donegal, Fermanagh and Monaghan in Down's group. Top 4 go through to quarter finals.
[/quote]

Poor Fermanagh - they will most likely not qualify.  So the other group of teams all qualify - that's a strange setup. Why have minors gone this way? 4 games is a bit much - why not the usual back door system? Club teams will need their players in the next couple of weeks let alone waiting for this to end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 09, 2023, 08:40:52 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 08, 2023, 10:06:07 PM


Is it straight knock out or groups?
groups. Derry, Donegal, Fermanagh and Monaghan in Down's group. Top 4 go through to quarter finals.
[/quote]

Poor Fermanagh - they will most likely not qualify.  So the other group of teams all qualify - that's a strange setup. Why have minors gone this way? 4 games is a bit much - why not the usual back door system? Club teams will need their players in the next couple of weeks let alone waiting for this to end.
[/quote]
Why poor Fermangh?. Down don't look up to much. I'm struggling to think of the last time Down won a championship game at minor level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 10, 2023, 11:59:19 AM

Why poor Fermangh?. Down don't look up to much. I'm struggling to think of the last time Down won a championship game at minor level.
[/quote]

Poor Fermanagh as if they were in other group they wud def be in quarter final. Down will beat them at least. Might not do so well against the other two tho. Down should be a whole lot better - we have some big physical players mixed with some very talented nippy ones. The dream team management not getting results doesn't surprise me as tactically they have been caught a few times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 12, 2023, 08:49:56 AM
A lot of rain last couple of days. Any chance this game in Newry tonight will be cancelled? Sand based pitch should drain?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 12, 2023, 11:37:11 AM
When will the county board put an end to this? On Monday, referees were attacked at the u15 feile.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 12, 2023, 11:48:25 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 12, 2023, 11:37:11 AM
When will the county board put an end to this? On Monday, referees were attacked at the u15 feile.

Attacked?? Verbally or physically?? Players/mentors/supporters???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 12, 2023, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 12, 2023, 11:48:25 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 12, 2023, 11:37:11 AM
When will the county board put an end to this? On Monday, referees were attacked at the u15 feile.

Attacked?? Verbally or physically?? Players/mentors/supporters???

Both verbally and physically. Its not on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 12, 2023, 01:15:35 PM
How about the clubs in question put an end to it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on April 12, 2023, 01:35:42 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 12, 2023, 11:37:11 AM
When will the county board put an end to this? On Monday, referees were attacked at the u15 feile.
This is not surprising; the disrespect our refs receive has been getting worse. The rules, esp the ambiguity about what constitutes a fair tackle, make it very hard for them.
This forum is a typical example, a team might shoot a series of wides and miss a series of open goals, but at the end, it's usually 'blame the ref.'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 12, 2023, 01:45:33 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 12, 2023, 01:15:35 PM
How about the clubs in question put an end to it?

Although they ought to, it never does. Look at this county over the past few years to see how appeals have played out. The GAA has a culture of appealing. No one declares their error in public.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 12, 2023, 01:55:07 PM
Quote from: supersub on April 12, 2023, 01:15:35 PM
How about the clubs in question put an end to it?

Realistically criminal charge is going to be the only thing that stops it. Look at what happened to Chin for Wexford racially abused - Fella caught on camera and probably get fa happen to him
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 12, 2023, 08:46:37 PM
Superb performance by the u20s tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 12, 2023, 08:57:34 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 12, 2023, 08:46:37 PM
Superb performance by the u20s tonight.

Absolutely top drawer. Balls, brains, pace, clinical.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 12, 2023, 09:08:31 PM
Great performance especially in the first half. Second half got bit sloppy but match was won well before the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 12, 2023, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 12, 2023, 08:57:34 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 12, 2023, 08:46:37 PM
Superb performance by the u20s tonight.

Absolutely top drawer. Balls, brains, pace, clinical.

They were playing against a crap team that shudnt have beaten Cavan the last day.. Murdock was different level but will be a huge loss against Donegal now. Jamie Doran and Oisin Savage were outstanding and the defence wasn't really tested.
This now puts our game against Donegal as a real fixture that we may not succeed in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 12, 2023, 10:15:11 PM
Should be good ulster final v Derry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 12, 2023, 10:28:56 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 12, 2023, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 12, 2023, 08:57:34 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 12, 2023, 08:46:37 PM
Superb performance by the u20s tonight.

Absolutely top drawer. Balls, brains, pace, clinical.

They were playing against a crap team that shudnt have beaten Cavan the last day.. Murdock was different level but will be a huge loss against Donegal now. Jamie Doran and Oisin Savage were outstanding and the defence wasn't really tested.
This now puts our game against Donegal as a real fixture that we may not succeed in.

Jesus you've high standards.

Monaghan made an Ulster final at u17 for this year group.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on April 12, 2023, 10:36:05 PM
Are games starred this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 12, 2023, 10:52:19 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 12, 2023, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 12, 2023, 08:57:34 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 12, 2023, 08:46:37 PM
Superb performance by the u20s tonight.

Absolutely top drawer. Balls, brains, pace, clinical.

They were playing against a crap team that shudnt have beaten Cavan the last day.. Murdock was different level but will be a huge loss against Donegal now. Jamie Doran and Oisin Savage were outstanding and the defence wasn't really tested.
This now puts our game against Donegal as a real fixture that we may not succeed in.
when is the final? Surely Down would challenge the date if it effects players playing senior and U20, like Derry did for their semi.  Great performance on a cold wet blustery night.  Great to see a Down team with a game plan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on April 13, 2023, 12:05:09 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on April 12, 2023, 10:36:05 PM
Are games starred this weekend?

Are you serious or just don't follow happenings in GAA over past few years ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on April 13, 2023, 07:55:50 AM
It was a simple yes or no question.
I don't tend to ask questions I know the answer to, nor do I feel insecure enough to feel outrage at a simple question. And therein lies the problem with the board, used to be friendly and easy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 13, 2023, 08:02:35 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 12, 2023, 10:52:19 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 12, 2023, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 12, 2023, 08:57:34 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 12, 2023, 08:46:37 PM
Superb performance by the u20s tonight.

Absolutely top drawer. Balls, brains, pace, clinical.

They were playing against a crap team that shudnt have beaten Cavan the last day.. Murdock was different level but will be a huge loss against Donegal now. Jamie Doran and Oisin Savage were outstanding and the defence wasn't really tested.
This now puts our game against Donegal as a real fixture that we may not succeed in.
when is the final? Surely Down would challenge the date if it effects players playing senior and U20, like Derry did for their semi.  Great performance on a cold wet blustery night.  Great to see a Down team with a game plan.

Final down for the 26th which I think is 3/4 days before the two ulster semi finals so it may effect both Derry and Down. Surely the sensible thing to do is waive the rule.

Is the Down swagger back! We'll need a much improved performance from our semi final (albeit we played minus our 2 best players).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 13, 2023, 08:44:14 AM
The ulster council moved the Derry v Donegal semi final to accommodate Derry so a precedent has been set.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 13, 2023, 08:52:58 AM
The management simply needs to act like Rory Gallagher and throw the toys out of the pram.
Brian McAvoy need to be pushing this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 13, 2023, 09:16:04 AM
Is it true the league fixtures are being pulled tomorrow night to help Down prepare for the Ulster final?

The club players need football as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 13, 2023, 09:48:50 AM
I thought the final would be on a weekend.  Mid week badly hits the crowd. Especially if in omagh from a Down perspective. It stops me going.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 13, 2023, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 13, 2023, 09:16:04 AM
Is it true the league fixtures are being pulled tomorrow night to help Down prepare for the Ulster final?

The club players need football as well.

My understanding of the split season is that the panel wouldn't be available to their clubs while Down have an active u20 championship.

So I'm not sure why league fixtures would be pulled.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 13, 2023, 10:26:14 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 13, 2023, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 13, 2023, 09:16:04 AM
Is it true the league fixtures are being pulled tomorrow night to help Down prepare for the Ulster final?

The club players need football as well.

My understanding of the split season is that the panel wouldn't be available to their clubs while Down have an active u20 championship.

So I'm not sure why league fixtures would be pulled.

That is my thinking too, let the u20 concentrate on their final and the leagues will sort themselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 13, 2023, 11:55:16 AM
Some performance last night from u20's in brutal enough conditions. Great to be back in another ulster final only 2 years after last one. The work ethic Laverty has installed in the teams he coaches has to be admired, some fantastic talents on that panel but the hard work is the thing that stands out the most!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 13, 2023, 01:12:11 PM
Just saw Ross Carr's tweet regarding the socks. It shouldn't come up again, in my opinion. The right colours should be worn if the county board spends a lot of money on equipment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: covid20 on April 13, 2023, 07:11:58 PM
I see that Clonduff have three County panellists available v CPN who also have two released for that fixture tomorrow evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 13, 2023, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: covid20 on April 13, 2023, 07:11:58 PM
I see that Clonduff have three County panellists available v CPN who also have two released for that fixture tomorrow evening.

Was there a list of players released?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 13, 2023, 10:52:47 PM
 It'll be better for Clonduff that my namesake is available for tomorrow night's game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on April 14, 2023, 06:04:39 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on April 13, 2023, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: covid20 on April 13, 2023, 07:11:58 PM
I see that Clonduff have three County panellists available v CPN who also have two released for that fixture tomorrow evening.

Was there a list of players released?
Yes. Too many to type out right now
Which club are u most interested in and I will respond asap
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 14, 2023, 09:42:52 PM
Division 2, five games, five away wins.
Strange coincidence.

Big win for Longstone in Division 1.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 14, 2023, 09:49:33 PM
Massive result tonight in Moygannon - two depleted teams and football served wasn't spectacular but result was important with a new management in place. Any reports on other games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 14, 2023, 09:56:19 PM
Rostrevor had it as good as done and dusted when 8-2 up after 40 mins but Ballyholland owned the last 20 to dig out a 2 point win.

Both teams will need to be more decisive on the ball, and a little more direct, if they want to go back up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 14, 2023, 11:54:34 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 14, 2023, 09:49:33 PM
Massive result tonight in Moygannon - two depleted teams and football served wasn't spectacular but result was important with a new management in place. Any reports on other games?
How were Clonduff depleted?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 15, 2023, 07:46:42 AM
Kilcoo had a good win over loughinisland. A game of 2 halves. 1 point in it at the end after a strong comeback from the blues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 15, 2023, 02:29:40 PM
Minors beat by 21 points, thats embarrassing!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 15, 2023, 03:20:25 PM
That's twice Derry have dished out a hammering to the minors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 15, 2023, 03:45:15 PM
Is Coulter picking 15 lads of the street before these games. Christ that's bad. We can't be this poor at minor level. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 15, 2023, 03:51:04 PM
Yeah this setup is not right.  Lot of folk dont like lavery but none of his teams he has been involved with in down have been beaten like this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 16, 2023, 04:47:55 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 15, 2023, 03:51:04 PM
Yeah this setup is not right.  Lot of folk dont like lavery but none of his teams he has been involved with in down have been beaten like this.
Poor Benny, a great player over the years but he's been bluffing everyone for years both as paid County Coach and a Club journeyman Manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on April 16, 2023, 05:01:38 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 16, 2023, 04:47:55 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 15, 2023, 03:51:04 PM
Yeah this setup is not right.  Lot of folk dont like lavery but none of his teams he has been involved with in down have been beaten like this.
Poor Benny, a great player over the years but he's been bluffing everyone for years both as paid County Coach and a Club journeyman Manager.

And getting paid a fortune in Rostrevor too, and look how Fri night went for them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on April 16, 2023, 06:29:39 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on April 16, 2023, 05:01:38 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 16, 2023, 04:47:55 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 15, 2023, 03:51:04 PM
Yeah this setup is not right.  Lot of folk dont like lavery but none of his teams he has been involved with in down have been beaten like this.
Poor Benny, a great player over the years but he's been bluffing everyone for years both as paid County Coach and a Club journeyman Manager.

And getting paid a fortune in Rostrevor too, and look how Fri night went for them

Is he over a few teams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on April 16, 2023, 06:32:33 PM
If one of Laverty's teams got a tanking like that this forum would be going crazy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on April 16, 2023, 06:37:11 PM
Quote from: marty34 on April 16, 2023, 06:29:39 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on April 16, 2023, 05:01:38 PM
Quote from: wobbller on April 16, 2023, 04:47:55 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 15, 2023, 03:51:04 PM
Yeah this setup is not right.  Lot of folk dont like lavery but none of his teams he has been involved with in down have been beaten like this.
Poor Benny, a great player over the years but he's been bluffing everyone for years both as paid County Coach and a Club journeyman Manager.

And getting paid a fortune in Rostrevor too, and look how Fri night went for them

Is he over a few teams?

Managing Rostrevor too for a pretty penny. Threw away an open goal IFC last year v saval.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2023, 06:39:33 PM
You might miss how strong that Derry team is, they lost to Donegal in the league final but I think Derry a, 8/9pt a better team than them. I wait see how they perform against other teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 16, 2023, 08:17:59 PM
Did S Johnson play for Kilcoo on Friday? I wonder could he included in the 26 for next Sunday. I'd love to see him and Kerr on the same team breaking forward, be seriously hard to stop. Anyone care to hazard a guess at the starting 15?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 16, 2023, 08:28:39 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on April 16, 2023, 08:17:59 PM
Did S Johnson play for Kilcoo on Friday? I wonder could he included in the 26 for next Sunday. I'd love to see him and Kerr on the same team breaking forward, be seriously hard to stop. Anyone care to hazard a guess at the starting 15?
I'll take a stab at 15 being;

Niall Kane

Peter fegan
Ryan McEvoy
Pierce Laverty
Miceal Rooney
Niall mcparland
Gerard Collins

Anthony Doherty
Odhran Murdock

Ryan Johnson
Eugene brannigan
Danny magill
Liam kerr
Pat havern
Rory mason

Donnacha mcaleenan, Connor Francis, Ceilum Doherty and Jerome Johnson are other options to start but that's team I'd go with, probably somebody else I've forgotten though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 16, 2023, 09:00:46 PM
I was at the Offaly game in Tullamore and it was probably Downs best performance in the league this year. Docherty was named in midfield and played full back, and McEvoy played midfield. Both played very well particularly McEvoy, and I think him and Murdock would be an excellent midfield partnership going forward.

Will Laverty start Murdock if it effects his eligibility for the u20s?

Danny Magill was also very impressive v Offaly and Eugene Brannigan played in the full forward line, weighed in with 2 or 3 points but was very effective when Offaly had the ball, putting pressure on defenders etc.

I cant see Laverty leaving both McAleenan and Celium Doherty on the bench,  Gilmore is another option but seems to be more effective coming on as sub.

I'd be happy with any of the 3 keepers  starting but have a feeling he will start with Kane. I really think Donegal are there for the taking, there has been a cracking atmosphere at all the games in Newry this year and the u20s have given the county a huge boost too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 16, 2023, 09:09:04 PM
I'd go with
Kane

Fegan
A Docherty
Laverty

Francis
McPartland
Rooney

McEvoy
Murdock (possibly Donnelly if fit, and Murdock is saved for u20's)

Ryan Johnson
C Doherty
L Kerr

E Brannigan
Havern
McAleenan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 17, 2023, 10:59:48 AM
The minors are lacking in quality and will struggle once more on Sunday. The game against Fermanagh will be a lot more equal. I hope they can put in a performance with a big home crowd behind them.

My team for Sunday (Let Murdock play u20)

Kane

Fegan
A Docherty
Laverty

Francis
C Doherty
Rooney

McEvoy
Annett

Ryan Johnson
McAleenan
L Kerr

E Brannigan
Havern
Gilmore


Anyone at any league matches, I was shocked at the Longstone victory. Castlewellan and Downpatrick will fancy themselves to come back up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 17, 2023, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 17, 2023, 10:59:48 AM
The minors are lacking in quality and will struggle once more on Sunday. The game against Fermanagh will be a lot more equal. I hope they can put in a performance with a big home crowd behind them.

My team for Sunday (Let Murdock play u20)

Kane

Fegan
A Docherty
Laverty

Francis
C Doherty
Rooney

McEvoy
Annett

Ryan Johnson
McAleenan
L Kerr

E Brannigan
Havern
Gilmore


Anyone at any league matches, I was shocked at the Longstone victory. Castlewellan and Downpatrick will fancy themselves to come back up.
There is no one on here that attended League matches on Friday night.Sweet mother of Jesus-what a daft question.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 17, 2023, 02:14:47 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 17, 2023, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 17, 2023, 10:59:48 AM
The minors are lacking in quality and will struggle once more on Sunday. The game against Fermanagh will be a lot more equal. I hope they can put in a performance with a big home crowd behind them.

My team for Sunday (Let Murdock play u20)

Kane

Fegan
A Docherty
Laverty

Francis
C Doherty
Rooney

McEvoy
Annett

Ryan Johnson
McAleenan
L Kerr

E Brannigan
Havern
Gilmore


Anyone at any league matches, I was shocked at the Longstone victory. Castlewellan and Downpatrick will fancy themselves to come back up.
There is no one on here that attended League matches on Friday night.Sweet mother of Jesus-what a daft question.

Ok did you attend the hammering by Castlewellan on Friday past? Do you think they will get another hiding in Ballyholland? Do you think they will stay in division 2?

Are those questions better?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on April 17, 2023, 02:42:08 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 17, 2023, 02:14:47 PM
Quote from: SamFever on April 17, 2023, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 17, 2023, 10:59:48 AM
The minors are lacking in quality and will struggle once more on Sunday. The game against Fermanagh will be a lot more equal. I hope they can put in a performance with a big home crowd behind them.

My team for Sunday (Let Murdock play u20)

Kane

Fegan
A Docherty
Laverty

Francis
C Doherty
Rooney

McEvoy
Annett

Ryan Johnson
McAleenan
L Kerr

E Brannigan
Havern
Gilmore


Anyone at any league matches, I was shocked at the Longstone victory. Castlewellan and Downpatrick will fancy themselves to come back up.
There is no one on here that attended League matches on Friday night.Sweet mother of Jesus-what a daft question.

Ok did you attend the hammering by Castlewellan on Friday past? Do you think they will get another hiding in Ballyholland? Do you think they will stay in division 2?

Are those questions better?
Better questions alright but you'll be getting no answers from me until you say what Club you're from.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on April 17, 2023, 10:27:29 PM
Anyone trying to predict a starting 15 for Sunday would be safer picking the lotto numbers. No team used more players than Down throughout thr league. I still don't think Lav knows his best 15. Really only 5 certain starters IMO... Mcevoy Lavery Murdock (if allowed) Kerr and Havern. I think he'll also go with Ryan J Miceal Rooney bobo and Doc from his own club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 17, 2023, 10:44:43 PM
Quote from: urbangael on April 17, 2023, 10:27:29 PM
Anyone trying to predict a starting 15 for Sunday would be safer picking the lotto numbers. No team used more players than Down throughout thr league. I still don't think Lav knows his best 15. Really only 5 certain starters IMO... Mcevoy Lavery Murdock (if allowed) Kerr and Havern. I think he'll also go with Ryan J Miceal Rooney bobo and Doc from his own club.

I agree here. Plus he will name a team and that won't be what takes the pitch on Sunday. Surely he will allow the u20s to play at their own level as it's a final. They should have enough on the panel not to need these young lads. Running with 40 odd all year - time for these lads to step up and play and leave the u20s.
Are Donegal coming into this game in the perfect position? Everything and everyone has them written off due to off pitch antics/relegation/manager leaving - will there be a sting in the tail from them or can we set up a possible mouthwatering semi final v Armagh in a few weeks (should they beat Cavan)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on April 18, 2023, 09:14:23 AM
Donegal slight bookies favourite and i think this is a fair reflection. Even game, who ever plays well on the day will take the win. 2 evenly matched teams with Mc Bearty missing. Regardless of who wins the semi final is next weekend. 8 day turn around for Armagh/Cavan and 7 days for Donegal/Down. Im going for Armagh vs Down semi final. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: roger99 on April 18, 2023, 10:28:16 AM
A massive 2 weeks in store for Conor Laverty. Could make or break his managerial career! He will soon learn he cant manage every team in Down at the one time! If plays murdock in senior game u20s will lose. if no murdock in senior game, donegal will run riot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 18, 2023, 10:37:48 AM
Quote from: roger99 on April 18, 2023, 10:28:16 AM
A massive 2 weeks in store for Conor Laverty. Could make or break his managerial career! He will soon learn he cant manage every team in Down at the one time! If plays murdock in senior game u20s will lose. if no murdock in senior game, donegal will run riot.

Jesus Christ , can people get behind all our teams going forward. The begrudgery out there waiting on Conor and Benny to fail, so they can stick the knife in is pathetic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on April 18, 2023, 10:39:47 AM
Big decision tonight on the crazy 7 day rule by the DRA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on April 18, 2023, 10:46:23 AM
7 day rule only applies to 'A'  grade competitions. A  Down hurler could have played for the U20 team last Saturday and in the the Joe McDonagh cup on Sunday. Crazy situation. How does the GAA get themselves in such a mess.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 18, 2023, 03:13:28 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on April 18, 2023, 10:46:23 AM
7 day rule only applies to 'A'  grade competitions. A  Down hurler could have played for the U20 team last Saturday and in the the Joe McDonagh cup on Sunday. Crazy situation. How does the GAA get themselves in such a mess.

I think one did....

Doesn't make any sense that ruling in it's current form
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 19, 2023, 01:08:20 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on April 18, 2023, 10:39:47 AM
Big decision tonight on the crazy 7 day rule by the DRA.
Any word on this. I don't see anything in the press.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 19, 2023, 01:11:55 PM
Down draw sales are meant to be down this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 19, 2023, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 19, 2023, 01:11:55 PM
Down draw sales are meant to be down this year

no surprise, cost of living. has it run its course? massive money spinner for clubs and county alike
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on April 19, 2023, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 19, 2023, 01:08:20 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on April 18, 2023, 10:39:47 AM
Big decision tonight on the crazy 7 day rule by the DRA.
Any word on this. I don't see anything in the press.

Clare unsuccessful

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41119969.html

There might be a request to move the u20 date, but they don't have many options with Down Seniors this weekend and Derry the following and then the AI u20 semi is pencilled in for first weekend in May. So will u20 final will probably stay next week.

I think Down will let their u20s play in the final - not so sure about Derry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 19, 2023, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 19, 2023, 01:11:55 PM
Down draw sales are meant to be down this year

I thought it was poorly advertised, I'm not living at home so I wouldn't be directly in contact with the club, but I just got an email on Monday or Tuesday from the county board saying it has to be paid by Friday.

I think they could have sent an email a month ago followed by the most recent one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on April 19, 2023, 06:20:17 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 19, 2023, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 19, 2023, 01:11:55 PM
Down draw sales are meant to be down this year

I thought it was poorly advertised, I'm not living at home so I wouldn't be directly in contact with the club, but I just got an email on Monday or Tuesday from the county board saying it has to be paid by Friday.

I think they could have sent an email a month ago followed by the most recent one.

The club's draw is a massive success story for DownGAA and Down clubs . Our club can not speak highly enough of those that run this draw within our club and in the county office . James and Mary Mcgrath have taken on an unbelievable  burden in administration of the draw and have made an outstanding contribution  to the county but particularly to individual clubs . This has brought Literally £millions into GAA in the county, and you can still buy online tonight Ardtole if u want.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 19, 2023, 09:03:09 PM
I do intend to buy one, I like the fact my own club benefits directly from it as well. I just think next year they could provide a bit more notice than 3 or 4 days. Maybe if I was living in Ardglass I'd have been more aware of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 19, 2023, 09:33:59 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on April 19, 2023, 06:20:17 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 19, 2023, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 19, 2023, 01:11:55 PM
Down draw sales are meant to be down this year

I thought it was poorly advertised, I'm not living at home so I wouldn't be directly in contact with the club, but I just got an email on Monday or Tuesday from the county board saying it has to be paid by Friday.

I think they could have sent an email a month ago followed by the most recent one.

The club's draw is a massive success story for DownGAA and Down clubs . Our club can not speak highly enough of those that run this draw within our club and in the county office . James and Mary Mcgrath have taken on an unbelievable  burden in administration of the draw and have made an outstanding contribution  to the county but particularly to individual clubs . This has brought Literally £millions into GAA in the county, and you can still buy online tonight Ardtole if u want.

Fully agree... it's been a proper success story and exceptionally well run.

It deserves to be supported. Indeed by this stage I thought it would be close to 75-85% auto renewals. I'm guessing some of the big selling clubs have gone down a different route, or the people in those clubs who drove  it, have moved on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on April 19, 2023, 10:15:21 PM
hopefully the irish news are correct on oran murduck . has to start senior game for me  . a win in ulster would be huge for the senior panel , when was our last win ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 20, 2023, 08:00:54 AM
I think the 26 players have to be named to Croke Park this morning, I wonder if there will be a surprise or two on it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 20, 2023, 08:22:06 AM
If I had to make the call I'd leave Odhran Murdock for the U20 Final. Obviously a better chance of winning an Ulster title. But what would I know. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 20, 2023, 08:23:12 AM
As someone mentioned earlier it is nearly impossible to predict the 1st 15. Around 40 players used in the league, some players tried in multiple positions, there is genuine competition for places and strength in depth.

I would imagine the injuries to Mark Walsh and Owen Costello have forced Lavertys hand in starting Odhran Murdock v Donegal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 20, 2023, 08:25:08 AM
Niall Donnelly was also injured recently, I'm not sure if he is available for the weekend either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 20, 2023, 08:55:11 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 19, 2023, 09:33:59 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on April 19, 2023, 06:20:17 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 19, 2023, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 19, 2023, 01:11:55 PM
Down draw sales are meant to be down this year

I thought it was poorly advertised, I'm not living at home so I wouldn't be directly in contact with the club, but I just got an email on Monday or Tuesday from the county board saying it has to be paid by Friday.

I think they could have sent an email a month ago followed by the most recent one.

The club's draw is a massive success story for DownGAA and Down clubs . Our club can not speak highly enough of those that run this draw within our club and in the county office . James and Mary Mcgrath have taken on an unbelievable  burden in administration of the draw and have made an outstanding contribution  to the county but particularly to individual clubs . This has brought Literally £millions into GAA in the county, and you can still buy online tonight Ardtole if u want.

Fully agree... it's been a proper success story and exceptionally well run.

It deserves to be supported. Indeed by this stage I thought it would be close to 75-85% auto renewals. I'm guessing some of the big selling clubs have gone down a different route, or the people in those clubs who drove  it, have moved on.

I cannot fathom why more clubs don't push it as its a good draw and a win win for club and county. But getting volunteers to push it could be the problem.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 20, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
I think Laverty and Gallagher should have a pact to play their players in both. Test the Ulster council and see the consequences.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 20, 2023, 10:06:45 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 20, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
I think Laverty and Gallagher should have a pact to play their players in both. Test the Ulster council and see the consequences.

Why do GAA people have such difficulty in accepting the rules of a competition?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 20, 2023, 10:27:29 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 20, 2023, 10:06:45 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 20, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
I think Laverty and Gallagher should have a pact to play their players in both. Test the Ulster council and see the consequences.

Why do GAA people have such difficulty in accepting the rules of a competition?
Prob because the GAA change the rules  too often. The challenging suspensions is the main one. You don't see that in other sports.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on April 20, 2023, 10:51:11 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 20, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
I think Laverty and Gallagher should have a pact to play their players in both. Test the Ulster council and see the consequences.
A Pact?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on April 20, 2023, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: ardtole on April 19, 2023, 09:03:09 PM
I do intend to buy one, I like the fact my own club benefits directly from it as well. I just think next year they could provide a bit more notice than 3 or 4 days. Maybe if I was living in Ardglass I'd have been more aware of it.
I think in fairness the promo for this has been excellent and out well in advance, probably since January through clubs and social media. Is an excellent fundraiser but cost of living issue definitely having effect
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 20, 2023, 12:41:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 20, 2023, 10:06:45 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 20, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
I think Laverty and Gallagher should have a pact to play their players in both. Test the Ulster council and see the consequences.

Why do GAA people have such difficulty in accepting the rules of a competition?

You should have told your u15 mentors and supporters that before they went to the Feile  :D :D

Sorry I couldn't resist  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on April 20, 2023, 01:35:52 PM
have to say that was a good reply TH  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 20, 2023, 02:40:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 20, 2023, 10:06:45 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 20, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
I think Laverty and Gallagher should have a pact to play their players in both. Test the Ulster council and see the consequences.

Why do GAA people have such difficulty in accepting the rules of a competition?

Similar happened Cork and Limerick U20 hurlers last year with one of the Limerick hurlers missing out on the U20 AI final as he'd played for the senior hurlers in a few games, mostly as a sub.

Croke Park aren't going to change now and TBH it's a rule I agree with.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downman94 on April 20, 2023, 03:45:11 PM
Mooney back in the squad im hearing, along with young mcpolin from drumgath.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on April 20, 2023, 06:39:14 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 20, 2023, 02:40:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 20, 2023, 10:06:45 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 20, 2023, 09:56:01 AM
I think Laverty and Gallagher should have a pact to play their players in both. Test the Ulster council and see the consequences.

Why do GAA people have such difficulty in accepting the rules of a competition?

Similar happened Cork and Limerick U20 hurlers last year with one of the Limerick hurlers missing out on the U20 AI final as he'd played for the senior hurlers in a few games, mostly as a sub.

Croke Park aren't going to change now and TBH it's a rule I agree with.

All about equality.

Lads can play with their senior county hurling teams BUT can go out the next day/previous day and play for their U20 hurling team.

Where's the equality in that?

#wereallinittogether

#elitism
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 21, 2023, 10:30:06 AM
Kane
Laverty
A Doherty
Fitzpatrick
D Magill
McParland
Rooney
Poland
McEvoy
C Doherty
R Johnson
Kerr
C Doherty
Havern
Branagan

Guinness and S Johnson both on bench.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 21, 2023, 10:33:02 AM
I'm suprised Fegan isn't in the 26, unless he got injured.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on April 21, 2023, 10:51:21 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on April 21, 2023, 10:30:06 AM
Kane
Laverty
A Doherty
Fitzpatrick
D Magill
McParland
Rooney
Poland
McEvoy
C Doherty
R Johnson
Kerr
C Doherty
Havern
Branagan

Guinness and S Johnson both on bench.

No Odhran Murdock? Who are the 2 x C Doherty? Ceilum and who else?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 21, 2023, 10:56:59 AM
Quote from: Mikhailov on April 21, 2023, 10:51:21 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on April 21, 2023, 10:30:06 AM
Kane
Laverty
A Doherty
Fitzpatrick
D Magill
McParland
Rooney
Poland
McEvoy
C Doherty
R Johnson
Kerr
C Doherty
Havern
Branagan

Guinness and S Johnson both on bench.

No Odhran Murdock? Who are the 2 x C Doherty? Ceilum and who else?
it should be donnacha mcaleenan at no13. Odhran Murdock is obviously left out to play in u20 final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 21, 2023, 11:33:12 AM
A very honest interview with Darren O'Hagan in todays Irish news, he pulls no punches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on April 21, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
There will definitely be changes to the starting 15 named and players on the bench.  I'd be amazed if Murdock doesn't play. Down at home and Donegal is a bit of a mess... Down to win by 2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 21, 2023, 03:10:16 PM
Quote from: urbangael on April 21, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
There will definitely be changes to the starting 15 named and players on the bench.  I'd be amazed if Murdock doesn't play. Down at home and Donegal is a bit of a mess... Down to win by 2.

Is the new rule not - if not named in the 26 you can't play? How good is he? Looks very powerful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 21, 2023, 03:42:30 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 21, 2023, 03:10:16 PM
Quote from: urbangael on April 21, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
There will definitely be changes to the starting 15 named and players on the bench.  I'd be amazed if Murdock doesn't play. Down at home and Donegal is a bit of a mess... Down to win by 2.

Is the new rule not - if not named in the 26 you can't play? How good is he? Looks very powerful.
you can make changes to the named starting team but not to the 26.

Murdock is a very good player, loads of potential to be even better than he already is, was one of Down's best players throughout the league and would have definitely featured if not for the u20 final, very unfair on players to have these competitions clashing and having to miss out on one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 21, 2023, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 21, 2023, 03:42:30 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 21, 2023, 03:10:16 PM
Quote from: urbangael on April 21, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
There will definitely be changes to the starting 15 named and players on the bench.  I'd be amazed if Murdock doesn't play. Down at home and Donegal is a bit of a mess... Down to win by 2.

Is the new rule not - if not named in the 26 you can't play? How good is he? Looks very powerful.
you can make changes to the named starting team but not to the 26.

Murdock is a very good player, loads of potential to be even better than he already is, was one of Down's best players throughout the league and would have definitely featured if not for the u20 final, very unfair on players to have these competitions clashing and having to miss out on one

Jeez thats mad. So you can change starters but not subs! Only in the GAA
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on April 21, 2023, 04:29:05 PM
Who was O'Hagan referring to when throwing digs about a podcast?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on April 21, 2023, 04:37:02 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on April 21, 2023, 04:29:05 PM
Who was O'Hagan referring to when throwing digs about a podcast?
Mooney
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 21, 2023, 05:26:50 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 21, 2023, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 21, 2023, 03:42:30 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 21, 2023, 03:10:16 PM
Quote from: urbangael on April 21, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
There will definitely be changes to the starting 15 named and players on the bench.  I'd be amazed if Murdock doesn't play. Down at home and Donegal is a bit of a mess... Down to win by 2.

Is the new rule not - if not named in the 26 you can't play? How good is he? Looks very powerful.
you can make changes to the named starting team but not to the 26.

Murdock is a very good player, loads of potential to be even better than he already is, was one of Down's best players throughout the league and would have definitely featured if not for the u20 final, very unfair on players to have these competitions clashing and having to miss out on one

Jeez thats mad. So you can change starters but not subs! Only in the GAA
i mean some of the subs named on the 26 can start on the first 15 but nobody outside the 26 can come in except in exceptional circumstances
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 21, 2023, 06:44:01 PM
I wonder how far the exceptional circumstances can stretch too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 21, 2023, 08:29:08 PM
Couple of hammerings handed out tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 21, 2023, 08:58:44 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 21, 2023, 08:29:08 PM
Couple of hammerings handed out tonight

We were on the receiving end of one. Stag party has taken loads of lads away and a difficult place to go and get a result.. island looked good but we were pathetic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 21, 2023, 09:09:06 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 21, 2023, 08:58:44 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 21, 2023, 08:29:08 PM
Couple of hammerings handed out tonight

We were on the receiving end of one. Stag party has taken loads of lads away and a difficult place to go and get a result.. island looked good but we were pathetic.

Didn't get down to watch the match but we've been going well in training tbf.. Shocked when I seen the result, youve usually had our number past couple of years but suppose stag explains things
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on April 21, 2023, 09:09:24 PM
If it was my team to manage, I'd keep Murdoch for u20 Ilster final, winning breeds winning. Not sure the Donegal game can be viewed as anything other than a free pass.

3 seniors teams unable to muster more than 4 scores in a game is a sad indictment. Is that the style of defensive football played or just lack of quality?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 21, 2023, 09:24:03 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on April 21, 2023, 09:09:24 PM
If it was my team to manage, I'd keep Murdoch for u20 Ilster final, winning breeds winning. Not sure the Donegal game can be viewed as anything other than a free pass.

3 seniors teams unable to muster more than 4 scores in a game is a sad indictment. Is that the style of defensive football played or just lack of quality?

Well I'd say Kilcoo are missing half their team due to County commitments so can't really criticise them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on April 21, 2023, 09:29:20 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 21, 2023, 08:58:44 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 21, 2023, 08:29:08 PM
Couple of hammerings handed out tonight

We were on the receiving end of one. Stag party has taken loads of lads away and a difficult place to go and get a result.. island looked good but we were pathetic.

Who is managing the point this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 21, 2023, 10:13:56 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on April 21, 2023, 09:29:20 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 21, 2023, 08:58:44 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 21, 2023, 08:29:08 PM
Couple of hammerings handed out tonight

We were on the receiving end of one. Stag party has taken loads of lads away and a difficult place to go and get a result.. island looked good but we were pathetic.

Who is managing the point this year?

Gareth o'neill from Crossmaglen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on April 21, 2023, 10:20:14 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 21, 2023, 05:26:50 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 21, 2023, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 21, 2023, 03:42:30 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 21, 2023, 03:10:16 PM
Quote from: urbangael on April 21, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
There will definitely be changes to the starting 15 named and players on the bench.  I'd be amazed if Murdock doesn't play. Down at home and Donegal is a bit of a mess... Down to win by 2.

Is the new rule not - if not named in the 26 you can't play? How good is he? Looks very powerful.
you can make changes to the named starting team but not to the 26.

Murdock is a very good player, loads of potential to be even better than he already is, was one of Down's best players throughout the league and would have definitely featured if not for the u20 final, very unfair on players to have these competitions clashing and having to miss out on one

Jeez thats mad. So you can change starters but not subs! Only in the GAA
i mean some of the subs named on the 26 can start on the first 15 but nobody outside the 26 can come in except in exceptional circumstances

I think you can name 4 stand by players that can be brought into the 26. So there could be a few late changes yet
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on April 22, 2023, 08:24:27 AM
Quote from: toby47 on April 21, 2023, 10:20:14 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 21, 2023, 05:26:50 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 21, 2023, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 21, 2023, 03:42:30 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on April 21, 2023, 03:10:16 PM
Quote from: urbangael on April 21, 2023, 01:44:31 PM
There will definitely be changes to the starting 15 named and players on the bench.  I'd be amazed if Murdock doesn't play. Down at home and Donegal is a bit of a mess... Down to win by 2.

Is the new rule not - if not named in the 26 you can't play? How good is he? Looks very powerful.
you can make changes to the named starting team but not to the 26.

Murdock is a very good player, loads of potential to be even better than he already is, was one of Down's best players throughout the league and would have definitely featured if not for the u20 final, very unfair on players to have these competitions clashing and having to miss out on one

Jeez thats mad. So you can change starters but not subs! Only in the GAA
i mean some of the subs named on the 26 can start on the first 15 but nobody outside the 26 can come in except in exceptional circumstances

I think you can name 4 stand by players that can be brought into the 26. So there could be a few late changes yet

They can only come in if medical information presented to withdraw any of the 26 though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 22, 2023, 11:20:38 AM
Another second gear performance from Harps last night, staggering over line after keeping Saval at just about an arm's length for most of the match.

Interesting PoV aired in the club last night. We've just finished over a decade of generally being the underdogs in D1, employing sweepers, double sweepers, withdrawn half forwards, non-stop wrestling, non-stop verbals, and a siege mentality, all in pursuit of narrow victories. It looks like we are in for a taste of our own medicine this season (hopefully, only one season!) in D2. Not many are going to take us on at old fashioned football, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 22, 2023, 08:40:24 PM
Good luck to management and players tomorrow, looking forward to the match, hopefully the lads can give it a good rattle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 23, 2023, 04:33:20 PM
Some very good performances today.
Great to get a win. 
We'll done CL, his management team & the players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 23, 2023, 04:42:07 PM
First half was putrid, shadow boxing shit. Overly tactical. Exceptionally boring.

But to fair, Down were much the better side after the break, when unleashed. It's one seriously pacy side. Great to see Daniel Guinness back and in very direct form.

It's hard to see how Down's defence is going to keep Armagh under control. But at same time, they won't turn the screw at midfield and I don't see Armagh finishing with a full quote of defenders if Down run at them. I don't think we will win, but I don't think Armagh will be overly looking forward to this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on April 23, 2023, 06:12:10 PM
Big change from 2 years ago when we were defending a 16 point defeat with 15 men behind the ball
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 23, 2023, 06:26:36 PM
Great win today, some very good performances all over the field. Serious pace in the team which we were able to utilise once the match opened up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 23, 2023, 06:29:28 PM
Great to get the win as the presure was on to get it as Donegal are at a low ebb this year.. Armagh will be a big step up. Hopefully we can give a good account of ourselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on April 23, 2023, 07:21:57 PM
What's all this commotion about a plane at the game? Only caught 1st half on radio.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 23, 2023, 07:25:48 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on April 23, 2023, 07:21:57 PM
What's all this commotion about a plane at the game? Only caught 1st half on radio.
Plane went overhead with a banner saying sack sean og #sackchuckyned
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 23, 2023, 09:34:25 PM
What a stupid stunt and waste of money.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 23, 2023, 09:40:26 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 23, 2023, 07:25:48 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on April 23, 2023, 07:21:57 PM
What's all this commotion about a plane at the game? Only caught 1st half on radio.
Plane went overhead with a banner saying sack sean og #sackchuckyned

That's a disgraceful stunt, and all it does is make Down a laughing stock. That's the sort of crap you see at English soccer.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on April 23, 2023, 09:54:28 PM
Disgraceful stunt or not, he has been the one constant in over 20 years of under achievement both on and off the pitch.  A great win today and looking forward to next day out against the Orange hoors!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 23, 2023, 09:54:50 PM
Down did very well today. Defended well after the gift of a goal for the games 1st score. Could've won by more. Cross field breeze didn't help either team. Great to see a big crowd in Newry the sun out and a Down win. Exciting week ahead. Athletic grounds wed night then Clones on Sunday.  Best of luck to both teams. On another note another hammering for the minors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 23, 2023, 10:14:39 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 23, 2023, 09:54:50 PM
Down did very well today. Defended well after the gift of a goal for the games 1st score. Could've won by more. Cross field breeze didn't help either team. Great to see a big crowd in Newry the sun out and a Down win. Exciting week ahead. Athletic grounds wed night then Clones on Sunday.  Best of luck to both teams. On another note another hammering for the minors.
Hard to know what to do with the minors over the last decade or so. Just feels like a mental block at that age group. Starting to come good once they get to U20 now which is a positive. I noted in their warm up they looked a bit disjointed. I always feel like a warm up should a part of the match where you are able to show off how good you are to those around you a bit like doing the pads in boxing but lots of balls seemed to be going astray
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 23, 2023, 11:48:54 PM
Honestly never seen a poorer Down team than that minor team today, was like a group they'd gathered up on the way, 20 point defeats 2 weeks in a row is embarrassing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 24, 2023, 07:43:20 AM
Quote from: No1 on April 23, 2023, 09:54:28 PM
Disgraceful stunt or not, he has been the one constant in over 20 years of under achievement both on and off the pitch.  A great win today and looking forward to next day out against the Orange hoors!

Yes, it is 100% his fault Down lost by a point to Cork in 2010. He shouldn't have left Big Dan in full back or taken off Paul Mac. Sackable offences.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: stiff breeze on April 24, 2023, 08:16:05 AM
He did put that manager in place that day then again for good measure some 10 years later.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on April 24, 2023, 08:20:16 AM
Great win yesterday. Credit to the team and managment. Far from perfect, but a group of lads that are willing to work hard for the Down jersey. Tackled in numbers and attacked at pace when the chance was there. Unlucky with the early goal, bouncing of Docherty's knee and into the forwards path. Past Down teams might of struggled to get back into the game but they showed great composure. Sunday will be a different test, and maybe to big of a step up. But a great test and hopefully we can make a game of it. Kerr, Magill, Doc, Havern, Rooney, Guiness players capable of hurting any team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 24, 2023, 10:05:34 AM
Yesterday's performance in Newry was outstanding, and it was wonderful to see the clubs in Down supporting our county secretary last night. The perpetrators of that ought to be held accountable for their actions. This Sunday, we need a huge turnout in clones and show the country that Down is united.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 24, 2023, 12:35:08 PM
On the club front, Bryansford is off to a rough start, and the games do not get any simpler.
They travel to Burren on Friday evening.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lazer on April 24, 2023, 12:35:13 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 23, 2023, 09:54:28 PM
Disgraceful stunt or not, he has been the one constant in over 20 years of under achievement both on and off the pitch.  A great win today and looking forward to next day out against the Orange hoors!

Apart from 2010 AI Final..and finishing top of division 2 a few times, spending a few years in division 1 etc.

Despite not having silverware there have actually been a few good years in the last 20. It's easy forget them among the the terrible years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 24, 2023, 01:49:05 PM
Quote from: No1 on April 23, 2023, 09:54:28 PM
Disgraceful stunt or not, he has been the one constant in over 20 years of under achievement both on and off the pitch.  A great win today and looking forward to next day out against the Orange hoors!

The one constant has been every club as well. The development squads/Mourne academy needs freshened up as its not fit for purpose. The minor squads have been terrible since 2005 so the work is not being done properly in clubs, schools and county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on April 24, 2023, 03:08:03 PM
Obviously you would like to have success at minor level and getting beat by 20+ points isn't a good look but maybe the players just arent up to the level at this particular age this year. Being strong at u20 level is probably more important than minor with the way things are at the minute. Things are looking more positive in down than they have done in a while
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lumpitin on April 24, 2023, 05:11:59 PM
Great win yesterday and what a buzz about newry, the tube who ordered that plane wouldnt need to return to any down gaa activity i suspect there on this forum. On to armagh I think if we manage to keep it under a ten point defeat it will be a sign of how far we have come under laverty and a huge morale boost to this team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 24, 2023, 08:11:55 PM
But of an overreaction there.. Legal action? What legal action can be taken for saying someone should be sacked? Be managers all over the country getting pay days then ffs.

Stupid thing to do and individual should talk to his clubs County rep if he feels that strong.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on April 24, 2023, 08:43:31 PM
Ah wise up with the legal action. Bunch of wet wipes.

What's illegal about it? Nada. Move on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 24, 2023, 09:10:28 PM
Not sure of the legal angle.

But I'm struggling to remember a masterplan backfire as badly. Only Fools and Horses type stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on April 24, 2023, 09:14:08 PM
Can't see anyone wishing to give that ludicrous stunt more oxygen by going legal. Never seen anything backfire so spectacularly lol lol..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on April 24, 2023, 09:44:28 PM
i reckon it was sean og himself who organised it . stroke of genius
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 24, 2023, 10:40:32 PM
Minors and underage structure needs a complete revamp. Stop with this giving "jobs to the boys" we have had in the last ten plus years. Let's actively seek out who can work with young lads to get the best from them. The academy needs to be an environment where the best players in each club are put forward to work in an elite setting. It's not simply send everyone to trials or send lads who are not up to it. We have had lads on our county minor match day 26 that couldn't get on their club minor team - that is simply not on. We need a full review of this programme - and soon.
Seniors were fantastic - more of that on Sunday please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on April 24, 2023, 10:54:40 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 25, 2023, 09:00:29 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 24, 2023, 10:40:32 PM
Minors and underage structure needs a complete revamp. Stop with this giving "jobs to the boys" we have had in the last ten plus years. Let's actively seek out who can work with young lads to get the best from them. The academy needs to be an environment where the best players in each club are put forward to work in an elite setting. It's not simply send everyone to trials or send lads who are not up to it. We have had lads on our county minor match day 26 that couldn't get on their club minor team - that is simply not on. We need a full review of this programme - and soon.
Seniors were fantastic - more of that on Sunday please.

Who was on the 26 that cannot get on a club team, I find that hard to believe.
What is your views on school coaching? Are coaches giving their time up as much to bring schools to the next level?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 25, 2023, 09:12:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 25, 2023, 09:00:29 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 24, 2023, 10:40:32 PM
Minors and underage structure needs a complete revamp. Stop with this giving "jobs to the boys" we have had in the last ten plus years. Let's actively seek out who can work with young lads to get the best from them. The academy needs to be an environment where the best players in each club are put forward to work in an elite setting. It's not simply send everyone to trials or send lads who are not up to it. We have had lads on our county minor match day 26 that couldn't get on their club minor team - that is simply not on. We need a full review of this programme - and soon.
Seniors were fantastic - more of that on Sunday please.
Who was on the 26 that cannot get on a club team, I find that hard to believe.
What is your views on school coaching? Are coaches giving their time up as much to bring schools to the next level?


The Bi-monthly schools coaching debate again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: trailer on April 25, 2023, 09:32:53 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on April 24, 2023, 10:54:40 PM
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/04/24/news/cahair_o_kane_newry_plane_stunt_the_lowest_of_the_low-3231683/

This person certainly upped the ante from writing on an internet forum anonymously.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 25, 2023, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 25, 2023, 09:32:53 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on April 24, 2023, 10:54:40 PM
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/04/24/news/cahair_o_kane_newry_plane_stunt_the_lowest_of_the_low-3231683/

This person certainly upped the ante from writing on an internet forum anonymously.

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What sort of Moron spends good cash on this type of stuff?

Should be easy to find out who, follow the money.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downman94 on April 25, 2023, 12:19:04 PM
Did truth hurts fly the plane ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on April 25, 2023, 01:40:30 PM
Sunday went how CL would have planned (apart from the early goal), bit of shadow punching then the game opened up and our strong runners were key to success.  Armagh poses a totally different threat.  McParland was at fault for the Donegal goal but in a strange way Armagh might be more suited to him due to the physicality they bring.  Every player needs to be on it 100%.   McEvoy was ok at midfield but I'd expect him to pick up O'Neill next day out. Is Murdock definitely unavailable irrespective of the u20 result?  CL will need a plan for Armagh keeper as he basically gives a +1 out the field and is very comfortable on the ball. Down have a free hit and all the pressure is on the Orangemen so bring it on and see how it goes.  Expect another cagey first half with the game to explode into life in the 3rd quarter.  If we are still in the game with 10 to go I'd take it. Strong ref required.

The Chucky ned stunt has been called out for what it is... a total f**king embarrassment!!   Sean Og has never seen as much support with most clubs social media pages coming out in support of him!! Nothing will unite the county more than a win over the old enemy!  Roll on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 25, 2023, 03:07:44 PM
Martin mc hugh not to impressed with Downs quality writing in todays irish news.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on April 25, 2023, 03:25:08 PM
Agree with it being a step up and all players neededing to play to their best to beat a strong Armagh side. We dealt well with Donegls kickouts very well, but would worry about the size of Armagh and their kickouts seem to go long alot of the time
Mc Parland intercepted the long ball and flicked it passed the Donegal player, It bounced off the full backs knee and he lost his footing. Mix up but unlucky bounce of the ball. He saved a certain goal when Donegal had a open net so more than made up for it.
I wonder who Armagh will deploy to mark Kerr/ Johnstone/ Pat. Huge match ups if we can win them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 25, 2023, 05:28:11 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 25, 2023, 03:07:44 PM
Martin mc hugh not to impressed with Downs quality writing in todays irish news.
He's a wee bollox!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 26, 2023, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: downman94 on April 25, 2023, 12:19:04 PM
Did truth hurts fly the plane ;D

I don't criticise specific individuals on this. Despite what some people may claim, I don't like to slate respectable GAA men. Sean og has always gone above and beyond to assist me with a few problems. He is one of the good guys, and its wrong on so many levels to try to pin Down's on-field struggles in previous years on the actions of one man.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downman94 on April 26, 2023, 11:17:51 AM
Hopefully we can get a big turnout tonight in armagh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 26, 2023, 02:37:58 PM
Best of luck to our U20s tonight. Hopefully the journey lasts another few weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 26, 2023, 02:43:27 PM
I concur, good luck to all tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 26, 2023, 07:45:03 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on April 24, 2023, 08:43:31 PM
Ah wise up with the legal action. Bunch of wet wipes.

What's illegal about it? Nada. Move on

I'd sincerely hope your username is just a coincidence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 26, 2023, 09:11:57 PM
Great performance by the u20s, they run Derry into the ground in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 26, 2023, 10:47:21 PM
Brilliant result tonight. great performance, especially in the last 20. Great to see a big Down turn out in Armagh. Well done players and management, brilliant stuff 👏
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lecale Gael on April 26, 2023, 11:03:12 PM
Brilliant result from Down U20s

Conor Laverty has to be commended for the work he has done this past three years.

Kildare up next who beat Dublin in the Leinster final.

Kerry in the other semi final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 26, 2023, 11:36:18 PM
Superb performance . Well done lads. Derry had no answer once Down got motoring.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 27, 2023, 08:51:53 AM
A great boost for Down in Armagh last night. Odhran Murdock and Oisin Savage are different gravy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 27, 2023, 09:20:44 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 27, 2023, 08:51:53 AM
A great boost for Down in Armagh last night. Odhran Murdock and Oisin Savage are different gravy.
Indeed. We all know Murdock and Magill will probably play a part in the seniors season once the u20's finish. Will be interesting to see if Laverty starts to blood savage into games this year or if he will wait until next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on April 27, 2023, 09:25:37 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 27, 2023, 08:51:53 AM
A great boost for Down in Armagh last night. Odhran Murdock and Oisin Savage are different gravy.

Both were superb!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on April 27, 2023, 12:22:13 PM
Great results last night. Promising times ahead with that group of players.  Well done to all involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on April 27, 2023, 02:45:45 PM
Scoring 0-08 should get you an invitation to the senior set up, seen him a number of times last year and is always a threat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 27, 2023, 05:37:53 PM
The wing forward Jamie Doran from Ballyholland looks a classy player. He scored a few cracking points v Monaghan in the semi final. I was suprised he didn't start the game last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on April 28, 2023, 12:00:18 AM
Quote from: ardtole on April 27, 2023, 05:37:53 PM
The wing forward Jamie Doran from Ballyholland looks a classy player. He scored a few cracking points v Monaghan in the semi final. I was suprised he didn't start the game last night.

He's a first teamer for Glenavon so can't fully commit hence he doesn't start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 28, 2023, 05:59:32 AM
Quote from: ck on April 28, 2023, 12:00:18 AM
Quote from: ardtole on April 27, 2023, 05:37:53 PM
The wing forward Jamie Doran from Ballyholland looks a classy player. He scored a few cracking points v Monaghan in the semi final. I was suprised he didn't start the game last night.

He's a first teamer for Glenavon so can't fully commit hence he doesn't start.

I didn't know that, thanks. He does look to have real genuine quality. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 28, 2023, 11:02:53 PM
My god it's going to be a long season.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 28, 2023, 11:31:24 PM
Strange occasion in Newry tonight. First meeting of old rivals in 12-13 years and it was all very subdued. There's been a 2 division gap in the teams for the best part of a decade and most of the players had never encountered each other before at adult levels, so there's little or no animosity like the old days. It just kind of petered out. Just all subdued. God I miss the old days, even if it meant those bastards had the upper hand most of the time!



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 29, 2023, 02:48:44 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 10, 2023, 11:59:19 AM

Why poor Fermangh?. Down don't look up to much. I'm struggling to think of the last time Down won a championship game at minor level.

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Poor Fermanagh as if they were in other group they wud def be in quarter final. Down will beat them at least. Might not do so well against the other two tho. Down should be a whole lot better - we have some big physical players mixed with some very talented nippy ones. The dream team management not getting results doesn't surprise me as tactically they have been caught a few times.

LOL.. Beaten by Fermanagh too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 29, 2023, 02:50:00 PM
Another bad day for the minors, lost every game in the group.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on April 29, 2023, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 29, 2023, 02:50:00 PM
Another bad day for the minors, lost every game in the group.

Embrassed in all 4 games,  4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 29, 2023, 06:20:06 PM
The management of the underage teams is so important. Thankfully we have got it right at u20s this last few years and hopefully this will continue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on April 29, 2023, 06:43:43 PM
 Benny,great player but not a Coach.Donal O'Hare and Darren O'Hagan the same.Jobs for the boys.Terrible
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 29, 2023, 08:19:01 PM
Can't get another year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 29, 2023, 08:32:23 PM


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Poor Fermanagh as if they were in other group they wud def be in quarter final. Down will beat them at least. Might not do so well against the other two tho. Down should be a whole lot better - we have some big physical players mixed with some very talented nippy ones. The dream team management not getting results doesn't surprise me as tactically they have been caught a few times.

LOL.. Beaten by Fermanagh too
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I got this one badly wrong.. my god we need changes to our underage development squads and more accountability in what they are doing. We can't keep this up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on April 30, 2023, 01:06:21 PM
Did someone suggest the current minor management stays on next year, don't think so . It's time for a change , good players don't necessarily  make good coaches/ managers. We seem to lurch from crisis to crisis at juvenile level, why did we get rid of the mourne academy and the east down and south down set up at u 14 level.
Bottom line is we need to look at the county coaches, the connection with the schools and how we get back to competing at minor level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on April 30, 2023, 02:47:55 PM
the time for putting in ex players has to be over unless said ex player has coached at underage level alot within their club. look around the county for management teams overachieving with non powert house clubs . the ballyholland minor management teams lately seem to achieve this, carryduff also. not everyones cup of tea but then neither was laverty. whoever is picking peiople for county managment jobs has alot to answer for lately . laverty/mccory cant think of many other sucess stories in the past 10-12 years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 30, 2023, 05:49:04 PM
Performance just wasn't there today. Whether the occasion got to the players or not is a different question. Down lack a real commanding goalkeeper under the high ball and have done for years and no signs of this changing looking at the club keepers currently available and those already on the panel. Hopefully u20's go on to the final of the All Ireland and Down can regroup and go hell for leather at this Tailteann Cup to try and get some silverware at senior football. This game has certainly exposed Downs weakness in the full back line under the high ball and i'd expect all teams playing down will target that. On a positive note i though laverty done a stellar job on Turbitt who was scoring for fun throughout league and last championship game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on April 30, 2023, 06:31:49 PM
Men v boys out there. Look at armagh subs compared to ours.. they brought on established men, with some left on bench, whereas we brought on minors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on April 30, 2023, 06:38:19 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on April 30, 2023, 06:31:49 PM
Men v boys out there. Look at armagh subs compared to ours.. they brought on established men, with some left on bench, whereas we brought on minors.

Down in a period of development .  Will take a few years.

Stick with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Pocs pints and the gaa on April 30, 2023, 08:39:59 PM
Too many missed chances early on might have made for a better second half for down. Surely better suited to Tailteann Cup than All Ireland series for development purposes.

Bug bear of mine by Eugene Brannigan wearing different shorts than the rest does my head in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 30, 2023, 08:41:26 PM
Off course we have to stick with it. Armagh are a seasoned outfit but I think if we keep working at it this setup and  team will get there...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 30, 2023, 08:47:35 PM
Too many missed chances especially from frees and the goals we conceded were very poor. Poor day all round including the weather. Down are still a work in progress and if everyone sticks together there'll be better days ahead.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on April 30, 2023, 10:24:17 PM
Basic errors really cost us. Armagh got the lucky breaks. Going for points ball drops short a keeper with zero presence and bang it's in the net. Not once but twice! We needed to be taking all our chances so missing scoreable frees and dropping shorts short was criminal. The amount of people that attend Gaa matches purely for a piss up is actually embarrassing. Numerous lads and girls will need to watch the match on Monday to see what actually happened!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 30, 2023, 10:28:35 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on April 30, 2023, 06:31:49 PM
Men v boys out there. Look at armagh subs compared to ours.. they brought on established men, with some left on bench, whereas we brought on minors.

This is bullshit. This Down team is in a much better place than it was 12 months ago and will only improve. Whether you want to believe it or not. A poor day at the office, but 4 goals did flatter them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 30, 2023, 10:49:23 PM

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This is bullshit. This Down team is in a much better place than it was 12 months ago and will only improve. Whether you want to believe it or not. A poor day at the office, but 4 goals did flatter them.
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Let's be honest -
12 months ago we were in division 3
We are still in division 3

12 months ago we were beaten by ten points to end our Ulster championship
We were beaten by ten points today to end our Ulster championship
Improvement or cracks papered over with a few facile results??

The Tailtean cup has a lot of good teams in it - Cavan, Meath, Fermanagh and Antrim will all fancy their chances as will we. Our management need to learn from today - Turbit matchup was spot on but others were a mile off. We lack players in a lot of positions.. I ask - from the successful u20 team two years ago - how many are mainstays on our team? Danny Magill - with cameo runs for Gilmore, Brown and Johnston and Close/Morgan on panel.  At 22 years old - surely we should be getting more through. I haven't counted Murdock/Magill/McCarthy as they are u20 this year too. Will those three and Savage be the only ones coming from that group??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lazer on April 30, 2023, 10:53:32 PM
Quote from: urbangael on April 30, 2023, 10:24:17 PM
Basic errors really cost us. Armagh got the lucky breaks. Going for points ball drops short a keeper with zero presence and bang it's in the net. Not once but twice! We needed to be taking all our chances so missing scoreable frees and dropping shorts short was criminal. The amount of people that attend Gaa matches purely for a piss up is actually embarrassing. Numerous lads and girls will need to watch the match on Monday to see what actually happened!

Completely agree with that we actually moved at half time due to the number of people around us who just treated it as piss up! First group of them were really drunk but polite and entertaining but somehow they seemed to attract more not so polite ones...and they had smoke bombs and airhorns so it was too much for us oldies.

As for Downs performance, Armaghs high ball in destroyed them, but let's  not forget Armagh having being playing 1, we are division 3
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 01, 2023, 10:52:33 AM
I agree bad result yesterday but we are in a better place and we learned yesterday that that there is a bit of development needed to the squad to compete at this level. I think we will get there with this setup.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 01, 2023, 12:41:21 PM
Bad result yesterday, few individual errors made it very difficult and when we had to push forward and chase the game we were always gonna take a hiding. Still think we will give the Tailteann Cup a good rattle. Hopefully have a few u20s back by then (and as All Ireland champions) will give the squad a  good boast. Murdock, Magill and McCarthy would all start, and Savage would be good option off the bench. Maybe see the likes of Tony Morgan get a run aswell.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 01, 2023, 01:00:31 PM
I think it was one of those days when anything that could have gone wrong did go wrong. I wouldn't even say the shot selection was poor rather the execution was poor.

Particularly in the 1st half there must have been 6 or 7, more than decent opportunities missed or dropped short from various different players.

There were some lads found our yesterday and I think Laverty will learn a lot from the loss. The Tailtain cup is significant because the winner is guaranteed an All Ireland series slot next year which even getting promotion next year does not guarantee.

After that promotion out of Div 3 next year is paramount if this team is to kick on,  and I think we will. Murdock,  McCarthy, Magill, Savage, possibly Jamie Doran would all strengthen the senior panel coming out of u20s this year.

Mooney, Barry O'Hagan and I vaguely remember reading an article recently where Darren O'Hagan suggested he might be willing to go back after a year out would all strengthen our squad.

I always enjoyed Clones as a venue, but yesterday was horrible, getting soaked to the skin, the access, getting thumped didn't help, I put it down to getting older and less tolerant but it was messy yesterday maybe the late throw in didn't help but I'd much prefer Newry or the Athletic ground as a venue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 01, 2023, 01:27:52 PM
Definitely agree with your comments regarding Clones, was great in the early 90's for us of a certain age but recently its been nothing more than a nightmare when going to support Down, just as well theres no school today cos there'd be a lot of hangovers in the classroom!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 01, 2023, 03:52:17 PM
Barry O'Hagan was on the GAA Social podcast with Niblock and McConville last week, listened to it yesterday was a very good interview I thought - Didn't realise his injury was as bad as it was. Hopefully he'll be back playing at some stage next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: CornUladh on May 01, 2023, 05:47:30 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on April 30, 2023, 01:06:21 PM
Did someone suggest the current minor management stays on next year, don't think so . It's time for a change , good players don't necessarily  make good coaches/ managers. We seem to lurch from crisis to crisis at juvenile level, why did we get rid of the mourne academy and the east down and south down set up at u 14 level.
Bottom line is we need to look at the county coaches, the connection with the schools and how we get back to competing at minor level.
Although the minor resukta have been disappointing, i think ite unfair to see BC written off as a coach over a handful of results at minor level. Have any of you on this board ever asked a player or their parents opinion of the set up this year? I don't think you have. I think the work particularly with Donal OH on attacking and their physical development will bear fruit at a later date. Less of the short termism please.
Another question, what grade are Down only schools competing at in schools competitions? Thats where some of this stems from.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 01, 2023, 07:05:24 PM
Quote from: CornUladh on May 01, 2023, 05:47:30 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on April 30, 2023, 01:06:21 PM
Did someone suggest the current minor management stays on next year, don't think so . It's time for a change , good players don't necessarily  make good coaches/ managers. We seem to lurch from crisis to crisis at juvenile level, why did we get rid of the mourne academy and the east down and south down set up at u 14 level.
Bottom line is we need to look at the county coaches, the connection with the schools and how we get back to competing at minor level.
Although the minor resukta have been disappointing, i think ite unfair to see BC written off as a coach over a handful of results at minor level. Have any of you on this board ever asked a player or their parents opinion of the set up this year? I don't think you have. I think the work particularly with Donal OH on attacking and their physical development will bear fruit at a later date. Less of the short termism please.
Another question, what grade are Down only schools competing at in schools competitions? Thats where some of this stems from.
A score diff of minus 61 says it all really. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 01, 2023, 08:00:14 PM
Down need a Keeper, full bck and 2 midfielders preferably of a fair size. I thought Down were small compared to Armagh, plus they rushed their shots and from way too far out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 01, 2023, 08:02:52 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 01, 2023, 08:00:14 PM
Down need a Keeper, full bck and 2 midfielders preferably of a fair size. I thought Down were small compared to Armagh, plus they rushed their shots and from way too far out.

Oh the keeper one the selection of Kane is a strange one. We targeted him big time in the Ulster final and got joy. The young Mayobridge keeper looked very impressive in the u20s run 2 years ago. Surely he's better than Kane?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 01, 2023, 08:14:47 PM
Would agree with the keeper talk.. Thought Kane was at fault for 2/3 of the goals not commanding enough, can't fault his distribution though made most of his kickouts/passes. I think that's why Laverty has him in because we've not been the best on kickouts the past 10 or so years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 01, 2023, 08:42:43 PM
Not too disheartened by yesterday. Armagh were very good, very clinical and the early goals meant they could play a counter attacking game. With so many genuine ballers in their forward line allowed space to revel in, we were never going to claw back the deficit.

Kane won't want to see videos of a couple of those goals again and unfortunately it opens up a problem for him in that county teams will target him (as they do Galway and Derry) until he has a genuinely commanding performance and forces coaches into coming up with other tactics. Which can be done... for the likes of Niall Morgan and Ethan Rafferty, and even all time greats like Cluxton and David Clarke, have had to weather a perception about high ball vulnerability.

Our tackling (apart from the McPartlan goal) was really good (hence the lack of kickable frees) and on another day when the shot for the first goal had gone the intended distance, and the first tackle on McPartlan had wiped him out, they would have kept Armagh to a respectable score and gained quite a few plaudits.... the silly yellows aside. Pierce was excellent.

Midfield broke even or thereabouts, which is a good sign for Down against a  D1 standard team, especially so without our clear and obvious first choice midfielder.

Our attacking play was more frustrating to watch. I can fully understand why we are a running team first and foremost - I've been saying for the past 5 years that it's the suit that fits us best; it's the type of players we have. But without any fear of a raking pass into the corner or an aerial bombardment into the square, it meant Armagh's wall of 5 x centre half backs could in unison lock in on Guinness (and to some extent, Kerr and the Johnstons), leaving no room for a connecting pass, good or bad. Even a mistimed tackle from the big orange buggers, leading to a free, didn't matter much with the score difference.

So while there's calls above for goalkeepers, midfielders and fullbacks, I'm of the opinion that an out and out wrecking ball 14 would be more beneficial to the current Down set up. Murdock will be back in midfield soon. That might allow McEvoy to play as a full time 3. But we aren't going to keep the top teams honest if it's a running game first, running game second, running game third. The running game needs an element of deceit for it to properly prosper.

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Anyone holding their head after a challenge should be given a mandatory one minute off the field to "recover". This shite had to stop.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 01, 2023, 10:27:44 PM
Would any of those goals went in yesterday if Neil Collins was in net and Conor Deegan full back!, doubt it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 01, 2023, 10:35:34 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 01, 2023, 10:27:44 PM
Would any of those goals went in yesterday if Neil Collins was in net and Conor Deegan full back!, doubt it.

You probably shouldn't look at the highlights of Down v Derry 1993 in Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on May 01, 2023, 10:39:30 PM
I think here is the problem. McEvoy being free'd up to play full back? He is not a county level full back or midfielder. He can win some battles at club level but if watching this year he gives alot of ball away and over carries and is not a man marker for a danger man either. His main rise to stardom comes from his long runs out of defence for kilcoo which he does well and gets scores from, but county is a different animal. He has talent no question but I believe still very raw. Murnin really hung him out to dry and then on the ball he was sloppy however he is young and I would still like him with Down but I think he could be better suited to a wing back role. I feel sorry for kane, poor performance, did make one great finger tip save to the crossbar, could have been 5. Now that teams have seen the damage of the high ball it will need fixed or that will be the play of choice for opposition. Lavery went well i thought, Patrick Branagan also but shot selection up front and balls dropping short just not good enough at that level... still very optimistic for the future under current Managment. McAleenan has done well this year so far and Ronney etc will all grow into this team as it improves
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on May 01, 2023, 11:28:55 PM
Can't see Collins and Deagen being the answer. They must be in their mid fifties now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 02, 2023, 08:23:59 AM
Using a example of a previous good Down full back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on May 02, 2023, 08:30:45 AM
Dust has settled. Be a huge learning curve for the team. Some positives with Laverty and Mc Parland did great jobs on Turbit and O'Neil, Mc Evoy lost his battle with Murnin and forker caused problems as the free man, cant let someone with that ability kick balls into forwards unchallenged. Forwards looked nervous and shot choices were poor. The big day will be good experience for the team. Lets hope for a good run in the T cup, its exactly our level right now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 02, 2023, 09:28:34 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 30, 2023, 10:49:23 PM


This is bullshit. This Down team is in a much better place than it was 12 months ago and will only improve. Whether you want to believe it or not. A poor day at the office, but 4 goals did flatter them.
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Let's be honest -
12 months ago we were in division 3
We are still in division 3

12 months ago we were beaten by ten points to end our Ulster championship
We were beaten by ten points today to end our Ulster championship
Improvement or cracks papered over with a few facile results??

The Tailtean cup has a lot of good teams in it - Cavan, Meath, Fermanagh and Antrim will all fancy their chances as will we. Our management need to learn from today - Turbit matchup was spot on but others were a mile off. We lack players in a lot of positions.. I ask - from the successful u20 team two years ago - how many are mainstays on our team? Danny Magill - with cameo runs for Gilmore, Brown and Johnston and Close/Morgan on panel.  At 22 years old - surely we should be getting more through. I haven't counted Murdock/Magill/McCarthy as they are u20 this year too. Will those three and Savage be the only ones coming from that group??
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I think you are being very harsh on the new management. An intercounty management needs at least 2-3 years to see any sign of improvement. The culture has changed so whatever happens in the TC I believe we should look forward rather than back.

On the match itself, I felt we lacked physicality and a few of the great club players were found out on the county stage. I wouldn't knock any player but the gulf between club and county is huge. Some players can make the cut, some can't.

The amount of drunk people on show on Sunday from both set of supporters was ridiculous. I won't be in Clones on a day like that again. And can people stop with the stupid flares .

On the minor management, I have said it for years that we won't get success at this level without sorting out the schools and development structure. This has been going on for years and will continue if our underage structures are not improved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 02, 2023, 10:10:30 AM
Additionally, certain players need to stop wearing white socks.  In clubs, it wouldn't be acceptable, and the county shouldn't allow it either. Eugene, please put on the proper shorts. It is now boring  to see odd footwear, odd socks, and old shorts. Please dress appropriately.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 02, 2023, 10:51:22 AM
That's been Armagh/Fermanagh fans for past 10 years Truth - Don't care about the match just want to go for a piss up. Most of them aged 18-23. Stewards Cba with them either tbf they are just volunteers not going to risk getting in a row when they're not paid for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on May 02, 2023, 11:26:59 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 01, 2023, 08:14:47 PM
Would agree with the keeper talk.. Thought Kane was at fault for 2/3 of the goals not commanding enough, can't fault his distribution though made most of his kickouts/passes. I think that's why Laverty has him in because we've not been the best on kickouts the past 10 or so years

In the early stages of the year O'Hare from Glenn started a few games in nets and now he seems to have disappeared from the panel. Anybody know what happened there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on May 02, 2023, 01:09:35 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 02, 2023, 10:51:22 AM
That's been Armagh/Fermanagh fans for past 10 years Truth - Don't care about the match just want to go for a piss up. Most of them aged 18-23. Stewards Cba with them either tbf they are just volunteers not going to risk getting in a row when they're not paid for it.
The drunken hooligans around me at the back.of the hill were Down people from Warrenpoint/ Burren area. I was there with my young family as was the Armagh man next to me. We were in the ground an hour before throw in. About 25 mins later the crowd ofndrunks arrived. After several flares were lit, a number of which were thrown into the crowd further down the hill, the Gards  came in and threw 2 drunken lads out. That didn't stop the others lighting flares, singing songs accusing an Armagh player of being a sex offender,  completely ruining things for all those around them. After 2 flares were thrown at our feet and one was stamped on setting the ground on fire we had no choice but to move. There were children crying and upset. This would put families off going to matches.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 02, 2023, 01:18:13 PM
Meath, Tipperary and Waterford in Down's group for Tailtean cup
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on May 02, 2023, 01:24:37 PM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on May 02, 2023, 08:30:45 AM
Dust has settled. Be a huge learning curve for the team. Some positives with Laverty and Mc Parland did great jobs on Turbit and O'Neil, Mc Evoy lost his battle with Murnin and forker caused problems as the free man, cant let someone with that ability kick balls into forwards unchallenged. Forwards looked nervous and shot choices were poor. The big day will be good experience for the team. Lets hope for a good run in the T cup, its exactly our level right now.

What game were you watching?? McParland was roasted by O'Neil.  Did you miss his goal!  O'Neil actually named on GAA team on the week. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 02, 2023, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: urbangael on May 02, 2023, 01:24:37 PM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on May 02, 2023, 08:30:45 AM
Dust has settled. Be a huge learning curve for the team. Some positives with Laverty and Mc Parland did great jobs on Turbit and O'Neil, Mc Evoy lost his battle with Murnin and forker caused problems as the free man, cant let someone with that ability kick balls into forwards unchallenged. Forwards looked nervous and shot choices were poor. The big day will be good experience for the team. Lets hope for a good run in the T cup, its exactly our level right now.

What game were you watching?? McParland was roasted by O'Neil.  Did you miss his goal!  O'Neil actually named on GAA team on the week.
Rian is one of the GAA darlings. The man could be sent off and he'd still make team of the week. Correct me if I'm wrong but that was his only score of the game AFAIK. Problem is that other players for Armagh stood up when their bigger players were getting well marshalled. The same could not be said for the Down team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on May 02, 2023, 03:35:50 PM
Quote from: urbangael on April 30, 2023, 10:24:17 PM
Basic errors really cost us. Armagh got the lucky breaks. Going for points ball drops short a keeper with zero presence and bang it's in the net. Not once but twice! We needed to be taking all our chances so missing scoreable frees and dropping shorts short was criminal. The amount of people that attend Gaa matches purely for a piss up is actually embarrassing. Numerous lads and girls will need to watch the match on Monday to see what actually happened!

in your opinion armagh were lucky , going for points and balls drop short , rian oneil  roasted niall mcparland .........

In most other peoples opinion Armagh played within themselves, they had a clear tactic to put early ball in and did so from the first whistle, rian scored 1 good goal , the rest of the game he did nothing

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on May 02, 2023, 03:40:32 PM
Is that Brannigan fella just a bit odd, or does he seek to he different? Different shorts and goofy socks make him look like a bit of an eejit
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on May 02, 2023, 03:41:49 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 02, 2023, 01:18:13 PM
Meath, Tipperary and Waterford in Down's group for Tailtean cup

We've both fallen far in the 32 years since '91  :-[
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on May 02, 2023, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: urbangael on May 02, 2023, 01:24:37 PM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on May 02, 2023, 08:30:45 AM
Dust has settled. Be a huge learning curve for the team. Some positives with Laverty and Mc Parland did great jobs on Turbit and O'Neil, Mc Evoy lost his battle with Murnin and forker caused problems as the free man, cant let someone with that ability kick balls into forwards unchallenged. Forwards looked nervous and shot choices were poor. The big day will be good experience for the team. Lets hope for a good run in the T cup, its exactly our level right now.

What game were you watching?? McParland was roasted by O'Neil.  Did you miss his goal!  O'Neil actually named on GAA team on the week.

Did you watch the game? O neill touched the ball 2 times in the first half, 2 handpasses. Second half he had 2 shots (1 short and wide) 1 kick pass and then the goal which was well taken when Down had pushed up. 0 kickouts and 3/4 long balls broke away from him. Doesnt matter in the long run because Down were well beat but he gets special treatment. 5 or 6 Armagh players better on the day than him.

What do we think of Downs group? Good chance to progress. I notice alot more comments this week after the loss than last week after the win. Would seem some people are happier to complain than give any sort of praise
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on May 02, 2023, 04:55:58 PM
Game of opinions I guess but I doubt many people would agree that 'Mc Parland did a great job on O'Neil'.  He had a huge influence on the game.  Scored a goal set up another and was involved in a fair bit.  8/10 in Irish news and GAA team of the week but maybe you're right and the experts are wrong. 

Would have to fancy Down to progress out of that group of Meath Tipp and Waterford.  No reason why we shouldn't top the group.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on May 02, 2023, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: urbangael on May 02, 2023, 04:55:58 PM
Game of opinions I guess but I doubt many people would agree that 'Mc Parland did a great job on O'Neil'.  He had a huge influence on the game.  Scored a goal set up another and was involved in a fair bit.  8/10 in Irish news and GAA team of the week but maybe you're right and the experts are wrong. 

Would have to fancy Down to progress out of that group of Meath Tipp and Waterford.  No reason why we shouldn't top the group.

experts? since when are journalists considered experts. dont believe everything you read , use your own eyes  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on May 02, 2023, 10:22:13 PM
Do you honestly think Mcparland got the better of him? Just goes to show how people see different things!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 03, 2023, 06:34:27 AM
Quote from: skat man on May 02, 2023, 09:45:09 PM
Quote from: urbangael on May 02, 2023, 04:55:58 PM
Game of opinions I guess but I doubt many people would agree that 'Mc Parland did a great job on O'Neil'.  He had a huge influence on the game.  Scored a goal set up another and was involved in a fair bit.  8/10 in Irish news and GAA team of the week but maybe you're right and the experts are wrong. 

Would have to fancy Down to progress out of that group of Meath Tipp and Waterford.  No reason why we shouldn't top the group.

experts? since when are journalists considered experts. dont believe everything you read , use your own eyes  ;)
+1
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 03, 2023, 11:14:35 AM
Don't like looking enviously toward our neighbours in Derry but they have installed coaches (Killian Conlan, End Muldoon and Gavin McGeehan) in St Pius, St Pats Maghera and St Marys Magherafelt, mostly funded by Derry GAA. And that's 3 schools that already had good systems.

That was taken from the Antrim thread and EOC1923


The development manger  should push the coaches to be big schools as GPO's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on May 03, 2023, 06:34:41 PM
Are county players back with the clubs this week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 03, 2023, 07:16:03 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on May 03, 2023, 06:34:41 PM
Are county players back with the clubs this week?

Senior panel all released back to clubs this weekend. I suppose U20s that don't make the panel for Saturday will be released too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downman94 on May 04, 2023, 05:21:15 PM
What happened to truths eggselent comment? did someone rob it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 04, 2023, 06:44:39 PM
Quote from: downman94 on May 04, 2023, 05:21:15 PM
What happened to truths eggselent comment? did someone rob it?

Mod probably removed it.. Didn't see it but I assume it's too do with that Down Hurlers bit of scandal going round Whatsapp groups
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: harryR on May 04, 2023, 09:41:43 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2023, 06:44:39 PM
Quote from: downman94 on May 04, 2023, 05:21:15 PM
What happened to truths eggselent comment? did someone rob it?

Mod probably removed it.. Didn't see it but I assume it's too do with that Down Hurlers bit of scandal going round Whatsapp groups

Oh god what has happened now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on May 05, 2023, 06:10:53 AM
Pretty disgraceful act if true
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 05, 2023, 09:00:46 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2023, 06:44:39 PM
Quote from: downman94 on May 04, 2023, 05:21:15 PM
What happened to truths eggselent comment? did someone rob it?

Mod probably removed it.. Didn't see it but I assume it's too do with that Down Hurlers bit of scandal going round Whatsapp groups

I think it was more than the Down hurlers whatsapps, the lad could have lost his job over it and him being a teacher I hear..

Shitty action to be at all the same and I've saw a few of the video's...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 05, 2023, 09:05:33 AM
Good luck to the u20s tomorrow night, hopefully a decent  Down support will to Dublin for it. I wonder will Laverty be tempted to call in another full forward to the senior panel? With Havern having to play in around MF. Maybe O'Hare from Saul, or Ryan Trainor?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 05, 2023, 10:41:17 PM
A few surprise results tonight. But just delighted to get a winning result at long last. Any word on u20 team for tomorrow?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 06, 2023, 07:45:02 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 05, 2023, 09:00:46 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 04, 2023, 06:44:39 PM
Quote from: downman94 on May 04, 2023, 05:21:15 PM
What happened to truths eggselent comment? did someone rob it?

Mod probably removed it.. Didn't see it but I assume it's too do with that Down Hurlers bit of scandal going round Whatsapp groups

I think it was more than the Down hurlers whatsapps, the lad could have lost his job over it and him being a teacher I hear..

Shitty action to be at all the same and I've saw a few of the video's...
The videos I saw is just some lad walking around the car asking questions. Not an egg in site.  If that's the extent of it, unless there are others I haven't seen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 06, 2023, 10:35:01 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 05, 2023, 10:41:17 PM
A few surprise results tonight. But just delighted to get a winning result at long last. Any word on u20 team for tomorrow?
Where was VAR when you needed it🤔
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ClubScene13 on May 06, 2023, 10:41:37 AM
Good luck to your U20's tonight. Hope they win it. I'm a Tyrone man that's going to be in Downpatrick when it throws in, anyone fit to recommend a bar? I wouldn't have a clue long way from home   >:(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on May 06, 2023, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 05, 2023, 10:41:17 PM
A few surprise results tonight. But just delighted to get a winning result at long last. Any word on u20 team for tomorrow?
Haven't seen a team yet but did see this - EirGrid, the operator and developer of Ireland's electricity grid has announced the EirGrid U20 Players of the Provinces following the conclusion of the EirGrid GAA Football U20 Provincial Championship. Canice Mulligan of Sligo, Ryan Sinkey of Kildare, William Shine of Kerry, and Oisin Savage of Down have been rewarded for their standout performances in their respective EirGrid U20 Provincial Championships.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 06, 2023, 01:17:47 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on May 06, 2023, 10:41:37 AM
Good luck to your U20's tonight. Hope they win it. I'm a Tyrone man that's going to be in Downpatrick when it throws in, anyone fit to recommend a bar? I wouldn't have a clue long way from home   >:(

I'd guess the rgu club would be your best bet. It's a long time since I was in a pub in Downpatrick.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 06, 2023, 02:07:14 PM
Quote from: ardtole on May 06, 2023, 01:17:47 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on May 06, 2023, 10:41:37 AM
Good luck to your U20's tonight. Hope they win it. I'm a Tyrone man that's going to be in Downpatrick when it throws in, anyone fit to recommend a bar? I wouldn't have a clue long way from home   >:(

I'd guess the rgu club would be your best bet. It's a long time since I was in a pub in Downpatrick.

Aye I wouldn't be going to Downpatrick bars.. Newcastle/Castlewellan be good spots if you've a driver
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on May 06, 2023, 02:30:03 PM
CPN on the hunt for a new management team..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 06, 2023, 03:26:41 PM
Quote from: sdg on May 06, 2023, 02:30:03 PM
CPN on the hunt for a new management team..
Why when they got their first win last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 06, 2023, 08:28:28 PM
Very unlucky to the U20s tonight. Just pipped at the post. Murdock had a colossal game in midfield but Oisin got very well marshalled in the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on May 06, 2023, 09:13:09 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 06, 2023, 08:28:28 PM
Very unlucky to the U20s tonight. Just pipped at the post. Murdock had a colossal game in midfield but Oisin got very well marshalled in the game
Odhran was collosal but it was he who lost ball in Downs final play
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 06, 2023, 09:23:58 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on May 06, 2023, 09:13:09 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 06, 2023, 08:28:28 PM
Very unlucky to the U20s tonight. Just pipped at the post. Murdock had a colossal game in midfield but Oisin got very well marshalled in the game
Odhran was collosal but it was he who lost ball in Downs final play
Don't even try and blame Oran for that defeat it lies at the feet of the management. Like last Sunday we were full of sideways hand passing, zero kick passing and 14 behind the ball. Last Sunday while 13 points down we still dropped off kick outs, it was a real dark ages display. Still and all, great progress being made, no promotion from a poor division 3 despite getting a 3 month head start and annihilation from our biggest rivals by 10 points, no different to last year in Clones when we lost by 10 to Monaghan only we have spent 200k more this year. Wonder will McGuinness stay on for the Tailteann Cup??? If he does decides to stay would be nice if he let lads kick the ball instead of the rubbish we were subjected to on Sunday past, not sure it's value for money.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on May 06, 2023, 09:48:33 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 06, 2023, 09:23:58 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on May 06, 2023, 09:13:09 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 06, 2023, 08:28:28 PM
Very unlucky to the U20s tonight. Just pipped at the post. Murdock had a colossal game in midfield but Oisin got very well marshalled in the game
Odhran was collosal but it was he who lost ball in Downs final play
Don't even try and blame Oran for that defeat it lies at the feet of the management. Like last Sunday we were full of sideways hand passing, zero kick passing and 14 behind the ball. Last Sunday while 13 points down we still dropped off kick outs, it was a real dark ages display. Still and all, great progress being made, no promotion from a poor division 3 despite getting a 3 month head start and annihilation from our biggest rivals by 10 points, no different to last year in Clones when we lost by 10 to Monaghan only we have spent 200k more this year. Wonder will McGuinness stay on for the Tailteann Cup??? If he does decides to stay would be nice if he let lads kick the ball instead of the rubbish we were subjected to on Sunday past, not sure it's value for money.

feels like you were waiting on defeat to post that.

3 month head start ? we were 4/5 years behind so 3 months wont change much. give the man a chance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 06, 2023, 10:21:58 PM
If Down improve as much in the next 6 months as much as they have in the last 6 months il be happy enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 06, 2023, 10:50:33 PM

Don't even try and blame Oran for that defeat it lies at the feet of the management. Like last Sunday we were full of sideways hand passing, zero kick passing and 14 behind the ball. Last Sunday while 13 points down we still dropped off kick outs, it was a real dark ages display. Still and all, great progress being made, no promotion from a poor division 3 despite getting a 3 month head start and annihilation from our biggest rivals by 10 points, no different to last year in Clones when we lost by 10 to Monaghan only we have spent 200k more this year. Wonder will McGuinness stay on for the Tailteann Cup??? If he does decides to stay would be nice if he let lads kick the ball instead of the rubbish we were subjected to on Sunday past, not sure it's value for money.
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Agree with a lot of this statement. I think the management team and particularly the manager gets a lot of plaudits based on very little. We would seriously need to top the group in the B competition and then taking out a big gun in the knockout stages (Cavan/Fermanagh)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 06, 2023, 11:08:06 PM
Lads ffs... Down havent been anywhere near competing at any level for a lifetime. We were beat by the last kick of the game in AI semi final and we could have won it...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 07, 2023, 07:41:24 AM
Gutting for the lads last night. All Down people in Parnell pk were gutted . To lose by the last kick of the game after such a tough enthralling game will be devastating for the players. Kildare got their match ups right. Down defended magnificently in 1st half. Even though we were 6 up at one stage kildare were never out of it as it proved. The break in play for the big number 8 benefited them, gave them time to regroup. These guys above slagging off the management were they in Parnell pk last night, were they at any game this year. I Doubt it. Down have done nothing at any level since 2010. Laverty has won 2 out 3 Ulster U20s. Lost to All Ireland champions last year in a close game. There is good foundations to build on here lads . Stop bitching and get behind the teams. What can I saw about Odhran Murdock what a footballer . We are lucky to have him. He will be immense for Down in the years ahead. Those lads walk away with your head held high. You give us a buzz and we are proud of them. I know Last night would've been devastating for them but bright futures ahead. All we ask is to be competitive and I think we all know with time that will happen at senior level also. Last Sunday isn't a yardstick  to beat Down with. It just shows were we are at, McGeeney is 9 years with Armagh only in last year are they  now competing.   We need to unearth a few guys with height though.  Let's give the Tailteann Cup  rattle and maybe get a couple of days in Croke Park in July.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 07, 2023, 08:50:00 AM
Never really got going at all last night, and still could have won that game. Hard one for the players to take, hopefully we'll see good few of them in the senior panel over  next 10years. Some going from the management, 2 out of 3 Ulster titles. Murdock is outstanding young footballer, haven't seen many better for his age. McCarthy was very good aswell I thought, and Morgan finished with 2.1 and got very little kicked into him. Plenty of work still to be done but heading in the right direction? How many are available next year?

Waterford next weekend should be straightforward if Down have any notions of winning Tailteann Cup, maybe see few changes to the team. Getting one or two up speed.

Any word on injured players? Is Owen McCabe long term? Finn Mc is bound to be due back soon?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 07, 2023, 03:26:53 PM


We can't expect anything less from this one.

Didn't see ya come on a few weeks ago to congratulate a win over Donegal

Congratulate a win over Derry to win the U20 championship

As soon as we lose


Get the keyboard warmed up. Your happy now

Your a joke of a so called Down fan. 

Keep on being negative.   He will be there for a few more years yet 😂😂😂

Progress is being made and it is value for money. We are going in the right direction.
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How is it value for money? That's a poor statement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 07, 2023, 05:03:40 PM
Anyone know how big Ruairi O'Hare is getting on for Saul this season. They seem to be motoring this season. Was with Laverty 2 years ago at u20 and was on panel at start of the year i believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 07, 2023, 05:16:56 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 07, 2023, 05:03:40 PM
Anyone know how big Ruairi O'Hare is getting on for Saul this season. They seem to be motoring this season. Was with Laverty 2 years ago at u20 and was on panel at start of the year i believe.
He started in the Tailteann Cup v Cavan last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 07, 2023, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 07, 2023, 05:16:56 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 07, 2023, 05:03:40 PM
Anyone know how big Ruairi O'Hare is getting on for Saul this season. They seem to be motoring this season. Was with Laverty 2 years ago at u20 and was on panel at start of the year i believe.
He started in the Tailteann Cup v Cavan last year.
Yes think he was on the panel at the start of this year but one of illness or injury put him out of it. He'd be a good option for up front as hes big, strong and can kick a good score. Think he was on frees for Saul when we played them last year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 07, 2023, 09:56:15 PM


How is it value for money? That's a poor statement.
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Tell me how it isn't
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Started in division 3 - still in division 3
Embarrassed by Armagh by 10 points
Players being released to clubs on Friday nights and then coming on for county on Sunday - other players not being released to club and not coming on during Sundays game - clubs and players starting to get pissed off..
Beat by a Kildare team that lost two of its better players to injury during the game.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on May 07, 2023, 10:37:22 PM
 Look, let's get this out in the open once and for all. Redandblack and Johnny's boys don't really hate their county and I don't believe they want to see Down back in the mire. They clearly just hate Laverty and even I'd Down won the All Ireland, these begrudgers would be critical. As a matter of interest, how do you know how much it has cost to run the teams? To the best of my considerable knowledge the County board has not released any figures. So lads, lets put this to bed to or good. Admit you hate Laverty and let's move without your negative black pathetic input.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 07, 2023, 10:45:41 PM
Off course they detest lavery sandstorm... it's very clear from their posts to date.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 07, 2023, 10:47:30 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on May 07, 2023, 10:37:22 PM
Look, let's get this out in the open once and for all. Redandblack and Johnny's boys don't really hate their county and I don't believe they want to see Down back in the mire. They clearly just hate Laverty and even I'd Down won the All Ireland, these begrudgers would be critical. As a matter of interest, how do you know how much it has cost to run the teams? To the best of my considerable knowledge the County board has not released any figures. So lads, lets put this to bed to or good. Admit you hate Laverty and let's move without your negative black pathetic input.

I don't hate anyone - but this eulogising of Laverty has to stop. My god we win a game and he is the goat, best manager ever in our history. We play 15 men behind the ball and it's "clever Kilcoo tactics" but when Tally done it he was just a Tyrone bollox. We are actually like the English media about Harry Kane and Marcus Rashford when it comes to him - he can simply do no wrong. Regarding the money thing - someone in a previous post quoted £200k that's what I based my message on. And let's be honest - for Clarke. Morgan and Laverty - that figure is probably not far off the mark.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on May 07, 2023, 11:19:43 PM
'Clever Kilcoo tactics' won an All Ireland, don't underestimate them.  😊😊😊
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on May 07, 2023, 11:23:18 PM
Clever Burren tactics won 2 All Irelands in the 1980s. You always neet clever tactics. Kerry didn't win all their titles without being Q-tours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 08, 2023, 09:52:01 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 07, 2023, 10:47:30 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on May 07, 2023, 10:37:22 PM
Look, let's get this out in the open once and for all. Redandblack and Johnny's boys don't really hate their county and I don't believe they want to see Down back in the mire. They clearly just hate Laverty and even I'd Down won the All Ireland, these begrudgers would be critical. As a matter of interest, how do you know how much it has cost to run the teams? To the best of my considerable knowledge the County board has not released any figures. So lads, lets put this to bed to or good. Admit you hate Laverty and let's move without your negative black pathetic input.

I don't hate anyone - but this eulogising of Laverty has to stop. My god we win a game and he is the goat, best manager ever in our history. We play 15 men behind the ball and it's "clever Kilcoo tactics" but when Tally done it he was just a Tyrone bollox. We are actually like the English media about Harry Kane and Marcus Rashford when it comes to him - he can simply do no wrong. Regarding the money thing - someone in a previous post quoted £200k that's what I based my message on. And let's be honest - for Clarke. Morgan and Laverty - that figure is probably not far off the mark.

If I were you I would be less worried about the county senior management and be more concerned about the state of your club senior management. What is going on in the Point? The blues are becoming like Chelsea with a manager every few months. Who will try to steady that ship and Longstone will be licking their lips with them coming on Friday night. I know its early days but that's a massive game in the top flight for survival.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 08, 2023, 12:40:43 PM
As Down fans if we were given the choice of all out attacking football, being known as the aristocrats of football again and probably losing more games than we win or playing a defensively solid counter attack style football (just like we see the likes of Kilcoo play at club level), be seen as a tough team to go away and play and build a system that allows us to compete in finals of Ulster and be a comfortable div 1 to top of div 2 team, i know what i would choose right now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on May 08, 2023, 01:05:00 PM
Lavery has done a good job so far; winning 2 Ulster U20s was a great achievement. The seniors have been less spectacular; as I expected the addition of the Kilcoo players hasn't greatly helped, most of them, apart from McEvoy, are squad players only, and looked out of their depth; it's a big jump from club to county level. Daryl Branigan was the one we really needed, but I guess that ship has sailed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 08, 2023, 10:48:27 PM
Dabs is clever and realises he would be out of his depth at county senior level - hence never committing to it. Doc is most consistent from Kilcoo and is better than McEvoy at both club and county level. And never forget "Clever Kilcoo tactics" also brought them home silver on all Ireland final day and a few Ulster final days including 2022!!

CPN are in trouble - no point hiding the fact. A huge turnover of players particularly this season has led to a downturn in results. In normal seasons the young lads could get a chance in 5/6 games and if not up to it we could pick up enough points to be safe - but with 10 teams in the league and only 14 games remaining - it's going to be difficult.. lads going away to states etc doesn't help but can't fault them either. This is the time for panellists to step up and be counted - but will they?
Our games against the teams around us are massive: Stone, Bredagh, Bryansford - must win games and hopefully pick up a few points elsewhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 09, 2023, 08:21:40 AM
Some very wise men on here. They know it all. Should've got them involved in the county set up.

Tipp v Down Is on before the Tipp Limerick munster championship game. Only terrace tickets available on gaa.ie tickers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 09, 2023, 08:51:27 AM
I was going to give the tipp game a miss but limerick v tipp in the hurling after would be great to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on May 09, 2023, 09:36:54 AM
Didn't realise it was on before the Munster championship might head down myself be some match.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 09, 2023, 10:09:34 AM
According to the fixtures on gaa.ie it is.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 09, 2023, 12:07:21 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 08, 2023, 10:48:27 PM
Dabs is clever and realises he would be out of his depth at county senior level - hence never committing to it. Doc is most consistent from Kilcoo and is better than McEvoy at both club and county level. And never forget "Clever Kilcoo tactics" also brought them home silver on all Ireland final day and a few Ulster final days including 2022!!

CPN are in trouble - no point hiding the fact. A huge turnover of players particularly this season has led to a downturn in results. In normal seasons the young lads could get a chance in 5/6 games and if not up to it we could pick up enough points to be safe - but with 10 teams in the league and only 14 games remaining - it's going to be difficult.. lads going away to states etc doesn't help but can't fault them either. This is the time for panellists to step up and be counted - but will they?
Our games against the teams around us are massive: Stone, Bredagh, Bryansford - must win games and hopefully pick up a few points elsewhere.

CPN, Longstone, Bredagh and Bryansford will be a mini league in itself.

The Rostrevor and Shamrocks game is a huge one on Friday night as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on May 09, 2023, 01:45:36 PM
Thanks must look into it as heard it is heading to a 45,000 sell out even-though it is only a round robin match
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on May 09, 2023, 02:18:52 PM
What has happened to Rostrevor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on May 09, 2023, 03:25:19 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on May 09, 2023, 02:18:52 PM
What has happened to Rostrevor.

i heard the are trying to do a phoenix from the ashes type story where they start of badly intentionally then rise towards intermediate championship success. Amazon have the rights to it . All or nothing rostrevor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on May 09, 2023, 03:31:07 PM
If that's the case, Chapter 1 - ✅
Really can't imagine them in Div3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 09, 2023, 03:41:29 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on May 09, 2023, 02:18:52 PM
What has happened to Rostrevor.
Rostrevor like the Co Board are daft as regards Benny's Managerial prowess.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 09, 2023, 04:12:32 PM
The new Warrenpoint management is rumoured to be Paddy O'Rourke and  Sean O'Hare.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on May 09, 2023, 05:06:25 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on May 09, 2023, 03:31:07 PM
If that's the case, Chapter 1 - ✅
Really can't imagine them in Div3.

Rostrevor have played Saul, Downpatrick, Ballyholland and Castlewellan which will all fancy themselves as contenders for the league/Promotion. Rostrevor probably did too at the beginning of the year. Their next few fixtures will tell the tale. I'd like to think they wouldn't get relegated but i think as early as it is realistic plans of Division 1 next year must be out the window
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walt Jabsco on May 09, 2023, 05:16:35 PM
Quote from: dingle82 on May 09, 2023, 01:45:36 PM
Thanks must look into it as heard it is heading to a 45,000 sell out even-though it is only a round robin match

Sell out it is

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41133388.html

Terrace tickets only as per last night. A long way to travel and to stand
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 10, 2023, 09:39:11 AM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on May 09, 2023, 05:16:35 PM
Quote from: dingle82 on May 09, 2023, 01:45:36 PM
Thanks must look into it as heard it is heading to a 45,000 sell out even-though it is only a round robin match

Sell out it is

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41133388.html

Terrace tickets only as per last night. A long way to travel and to stand

Surely Walt, you'd be staying for the hurling as well! Car parked out the Templemore road, tae and hang sangwiches at the ready.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walt Jabsco on May 10, 2023, 10:52:57 AM
Car parked on the Dublin Rd sure all the Limerick crowd would be heading that way.
Might have to stay on a bit and help the lads with a double clean up cut ;)you know how it is ;D
You will be pushed to get the 10:30 boat with a 4:00 throw in
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 10, 2023, 05:22:06 PM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on May 10, 2023, 10:52:57 AM
Car parked on the Dublin Rd sure all the Limerick crowd would be heading that way.
Might have to stay on a bit and help the lads with a double clean up cut ;)you know how it is ;D
You will be pushed to get the 10:30 boat with a 4:00 throw in

She'd be tight alright but made it from Cork to Strangford in just over 4 hours once, no sleep till Ballygalget Walt..

What weed killer are you using at the minute big lad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 10, 2023, 09:25:57 PM
 Rumour that there is bit of in-fighting in the Kilcoo/Down camp.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 10, 2023, 09:28:31 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 10, 2023, 09:25:57 PM
Rumour that there is bit of in-fighting in the Kilcoo/Down camp.

What's the rumour?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 10, 2023, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on May 10, 2023, 09:28:31 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 10, 2023, 09:25:57 PM
Rumour that there is bit of in-fighting in the Kilcoo/Down camp.

What's the rumour?
Maybe others can elaborate further.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 10, 2023, 10:00:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 10, 2023, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on May 10, 2023, 09:28:31 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 10, 2023, 09:25:57 PM
Rumour that there is bit of in-fighting in the Kilcoo/Down camp.

What's the rumour?
Maybe others can elaborate further.

So nothing then..lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 10, 2023, 10:20:43 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on May 10, 2023, 10:00:14 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 10, 2023, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on May 10, 2023, 09:28:31 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 10, 2023, 09:25:57 PM
Rumour that there is bit of in-fighting in the Kilcoo/Down camp.

What's the rumour?
Maybe others can elaborate further.

So nothing then..lol
Time will tell.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 11, 2023, 07:53:08 AM
Quote from: wobbller on May 10, 2023, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on May 10, 2023, 09:28:31 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 10, 2023, 09:25:57 PM
Rumour that there is bit of in-fighting in the Kilcoo/Down camp.

What's the rumour?
Maybe others can elaborate further.

Quite a pointless comment to begin with then. Thanks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 11, 2023, 08:56:06 AM
3 lads dropped off the Offaly panel yesterday to go to the U.S.A for the summer, I'd imagine every Tailtain cup team in the country is facing similar issues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 11, 2023, 09:16:25 AM
Quote from: wobbller on May 10, 2023, 09:25:57 PM
Rumour that there is bit of in-fighting in the Kilcoo/Down camp.

What a strange statement!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 11, 2023, 06:06:42 PM
See Irish News saying Mooney back with the Down squad, any others called in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 11, 2023, 10:26:31 PM
Do the clubs or county board get an allocation of tickets for the Tipp game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 12, 2023, 08:48:42 AM
Is there anyone who can't play tonight?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 12, 2023, 08:52:21 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on May 11, 2023, 06:06:42 PM
See Irish News saying Mooney back with the Down squad, any others called in?
Is there a podcast on its way  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 12, 2023, 02:07:19 PM
It also says he is unlikely to play . Looking towards next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on May 12, 2023, 09:24:48 PM
"Great progress, supporters back for the first time in years, great resurgence of Down Football." Listening to a lot of solid cow dung being talked this last few weeks in the papers and yet we are still in Divison 3 and hammered in an Ulster championship match by double digits and have now seen the first group of players walk away from the panel due to Kilcoo favouritism in selection.

Tally was crucified for playing defensive football but he got us out of a stronger division 3 and was so close to an Ulster final playing good football. Plus he was on a fraction of what the current set up are on and they are all "great Down men" Mickey Donnelly also getting a slab of dough for what? Be safer being fired into our underage teams or schools that are currently a mess.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: messy gael on May 12, 2023, 09:42:26 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on May 12, 2023, 09:24:48 PM
"Great progress, supporters back for the first time in years, great resurgence of Down Football." Listening to a lot of solid cow dung being talked this last few weeks in the papers and yet we are still in Divison 3 and hammered in an Ulster championship match by double digits and have now seen the first group of players walk away from the panel due to Kilcoo favouritism in selection.

Tally was crucified for playing defensive football but he got us out of a stronger division 3 and was so close to an Ulster final playing good football. Plus he was on a fraction of what the current set up are on and they are all "great Down men" Mickey Donnelly also getting a slab of dough for what? Be safer being fired into our underage teams or schools that are currently a mess.




Who all has walked away Redandblackareback ?

Do you honestly believe Tally was on a fraction of our current set up ??

You know that for a fact ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 12, 2023, 10:02:18 PM
redandblackareback, I can't believe you don't realise that we are now a pro Laverty zone here now, absolutely no criticism is tolerated. We are moving forward, we are a work in progress blah blah blah. It takes very little to please some people but I too have seen very little progress.

Compare the tactics between Laverty and Tally, messy boy if you can please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: messy gael on May 12, 2023, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 12, 2023, 10:02:18 PM
redandblackareback, I can't believe you don't realise that we are now a pro Laverty zone here now, absolutely no criticism is tolerated. We are moving forward, we are a work in progress blah blah blah. It takes very little to please some people but I too have seen very little progress.

Compare the tactics between Laverty and Tally, messy boy if you can please.



Lotto
So you have seen very little progress ??

You of all people who absolutely hate the manager have seen little or no progress.  What lens do you actually look out from because if you can be brutally honest and say that Down as a county has not been making progress under our current manager from U20 to what the seniors have done so far  this season then your delusional. 

Let's be honest.  Tally did a decent job whilst at the helm. But tactically it was tough to watch.  Our County Board pushed Tally as far as I'm aware after a thumping by a team that we went out and beat this year on 2 occasions


Laverty is still building his team. And playing with the tools that he can play with this year.  Conditioning wise it's obvious we are behind other counties but Johnny Davis will have these lads in better condition in time.  Squad wise it's the best squad Down has seen in many years The only obvious absentee for me is Dabs Brannigan..: who else can you name ?  no doubt he will bring the younger lads along from the 20's and we need to give them lads time to grow / condition   

Squad wise over next few years I think it will be as good as it has been if these bunch stick together but it's gonna take time.

Hopefully you "haters" will give the manager and his team time. 

I get you hate him.  That's fine. Impossible to like everybody in life

But progress has been made. 

Stop firing the stupid narrative that it hasn't. 

He will be about for a few years and near time you guys accept it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 12, 2023, 10:40:35 PM
We have to be one of the most clueless defensive teams currently even though we apparently have a genius of a manager, so conceding

1-11 to Tipperary
2-17 to Antrim
2-14 to Fermanagh
0-11 to Westmeath
2-14  to Cavan
1-14 to Longford
0-9 to Offaly

Some powerhouses there, yeah real progress alright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on May 12, 2023, 11:06:33 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 12, 2023, 10:40:35 PM
We have to be one of the most clueless defensive teams currently even though we apparently have a genius of a manager, so conceding

1-11 to Tipperary
2-17 to Antrim
2-14 to Fermanagh
0-11 to Westmeath
2-14  to Cavan
1-14 to Longford
0-9 to Offaly

Some powerhouses there, yeah real progress alright.

What?

Why can't there be a middleground between "genius" and "dogshit" anymore? Why does everything less than perfect have to be shit?

The current Down mgt, led by Laverty, has done something that hasn't happened in a generation. There is an absolutely tangible belief that the gap between Down and the big teams is narrowing, not growing.

Players now want to play for Down. Our team might be beaten, but we aren't beaten before we start.

Going forward, is Laverty going to have to start assessing his club mates, at this level, in the same way he assesses others? Of course. Does he have a handful of old hands who need moved along? Of course. Does his team need a little more variety when attacking? Of course.

But if there's a Down follower - including you Lotto - who honestly believes that Down are behind where they should be at this stage of a new manager's tenure... then honestly, it's a desire built on either stupidity or insanity.   



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on May 12, 2023, 11:30:38 PM
Lotto, it's easy to criticise without putting up a viable alternative, Conor Laverty may not be every ones cup of tea, but he is a proven winner, he has worked hard to get where he is today coaching wise, point taken about how much Down has conceded but the defensive stats will get better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 12, 2023, 11:41:00 PM
I wouldn't be Lavertys biggest fan but chatted to young fellas that were on the u20s squads he was in charge off and they said his trainings and prep was best they've had on all down underage squads they've been apart off.

Needs a few years before judgement and thewobbler said he'll be sussing out who can walk the walk this year and will have his team next year. Some good u20s to come onboard too so think lotto and R&B need to give him time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 13, 2023, 07:50:23 AM
CL was a kick of the ball away from today's U20 final. Still gutting to not be on the road to Breffni today. But the management team needs at least 5 years. Chopping and changing and no direction got us to where we are. We are turning a corner and it will take time. Even S AND C  we are a good bit off. Lot of good talent. I'm hoping the same guys stay over the U20s also for another year or so. The Minors however need a similar approach. There is no way we are that bad at U17.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 13, 2023, 08:27:28 AM
Any word on the team for this evenings game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 13, 2023, 10:54:21 PM
A pleasing crowd this evening in Newry. Football was poor at times and referee made some strange calls - but overall an 11 point win is something to be positive about. Tipperary beaten today so might take the shine off them next weekend. Get a result there and it's all to play for on last day v Meath.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 14, 2023, 09:46:53 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 13, 2023, 10:54:21 PM
A pleasing crowd this evening in Newry. Football was poor at times and referee made some strange calls - but overall an 11 point win is something to be positive about. Tipperary beaten today so might take the shine off them next weekend. Get a result there and it's all to play for on last day v Meath.

Seemed to be a slight lack of intensity in the first half, Havern really stepped up to keep the scoreboard moving.

Two excellent goals, one a brilliant team move and Murdock's a brilliant solo effort. So there were glimpses of quality, but that will need to improve with the next games.
Murdock and Magill were both very good along with Havern.
As for the ref, if it had been a close game things could have escalated after some of them baffling decisions. Called back several good advantages to give frees, then tried to play advantages where there clearly was none. Done his best to be the centre of attention throughout.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 14, 2023, 12:52:31 PM
I just cannot stand the methods that our current manager uses, and more importantly has used in the past to win at all levels he has coached. He himself was entirely responsible for developing a diving culture in his club 20 odd years ago, falling at the slightest touch to earn cheap frees. Now every tackle on a Kilcoo player whether they are playing for Down or Kilcoo ends up with them holding their head, now men tell me that is just not right. There is a manly way to play football but his tactics are just cheap both on the pitch and as we have seen this year, along the line. He may be well got by the players but they'll see his true colours when he's playing against them later in the Summer. What will be the real test will be with next year's U.20's, he's had plenty to work with over the last two years but next year will be a real challenge so lets see how he does with them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 14, 2023, 01:08:49 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 14, 2023, 12:52:31 PM
I just cannot stand the methods that our current manager uses, and more importantly has used in the past to win at all levels he has coached. He himself was entirely responsible for developing a diving culture in his club 20 odd years ago, falling at the slightest touch to earn cheap frees. Now every tackle on a Kilcoo player whether they are playing for Down or Kilcoo ends up with them holding their head, now men tell me that is just not right. There is a manly way to play football but his tactics are just cheap both on the pitch and as we have seen this year, along the line. He may be well got by the players but they'll see his true colours when he's playing against them later in the Summer. What will be the real test will be with next year's U.20's, he's had plenty to work with over the last two years but next year will be a real challenge so lets see how he does with them.
Why are you singling out Down and Kilcoo? I guarantee you every club and county in Ireland have players that do this. Going down after high tackles when in all honesty it doesn't even hurt just because you know its an easy free and yellow card for your opponent. You need to wise up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 14, 2023, 01:20:12 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 14, 2023, 01:08:49 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 14, 2023, 12:52:31 PM
I just cannot stand the methods that our current manager uses, and more importantly has used in the past to win at all levels he has coached. He himself was entirely responsible for developing a diving culture in his club 20 odd years ago, falling at the slightest touch to earn cheap frees. Now every tackle on a Kilcoo player whether they are playing for Down or Kilcoo ends up with them holding their head, now men tell me that is just not right. There is a manly way to play football but his tactics are just cheap both on the pitch and as we have seen this year, along the line. He may be well got by the players but they'll see his true colours when he's playing against them later in the Summer. What will be the real test will be with next year's U.20's, he's had plenty to work with over the last two years but next year will be a real challenge so lets see how he does with them.
Why are you singling out Down and Kilcoo? I guarantee you every club and county in Ireland have players that do this. Going down after high tackles when in all honesty it doesn't even hurt just because you know its an easy free and yellow card for your opponent. You need to wise up

Singling it out because Laverty brought that culture of diving into his club and now his county. Nanderson, I didn't say going down after high tackles, I said going down after every tackle holding their heads. It is absolutely pathetic to watch but apparently you think it is ok to do. Who needs to wise up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: messy gael on May 14, 2023, 02:03:01 PM
So After EVERY tackle our lads hold their heads ?? Do you think our management team allow time at training to go over this practice ??

What way do you coach your teams Lotto ???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 14, 2023, 02:20:37 PM
Quote from: messy gael on May 14, 2023, 02:03:01 PM
So After EVERY tackle our lads hold their heads ?? Do you think our management team allow time at training to go over this practice ??

What way do you coach your teams Lotto ???
Just seen costello go down holding his head after being pulled down. Can't believe Conor Laverty has found time to go down and coach Dublin. Either that or Costello must have been watching Kilcoo on downgaa.tv
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: messy gael on May 14, 2023, 02:26:34 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on May 14, 2023, 02:20:37 PM
Quote from: messy gael on May 14, 2023, 02:03:01 PM
So After EVERY tackle our lads hold their heads ?? Do you think our management team allow time at training to go over this practice ??

What way do you coach your teams Lotto ???
Just seen costello go down holding his head after being pulled down. Can't believe Conor Laverty has found time to go down and coach Dublin. Either that or Costello must have been watching Kilcoo on downgaa.tv

Or maybe he went to Trinity College
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 14, 2023, 03:09:41 PM
Quote from: messy gael on May 14, 2023, 02:03:01 PM
So After EVERY tackle our lads hold their heads ?? Do you think our management team allow time at training to go over this practice ??

What way do you coach your teams Lotto ???

There is a direct instruction to players to stay down and hold the head after a heavy tackle, to make the most of the situation and all coming from Laverty. I know this for a fact.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 14, 2023, 03:11:36 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 14, 2023, 03:09:41 PM
Quote from: messy gael on May 14, 2023, 02:03:01 PM
So After EVERY tackle our lads hold their heads ?? Do you think our management team allow time at training to go over this practice ??

What way do you coach your teams Lotto ???

There is a direct instruction to players to stay down and hold the head after a heavy tackle, to make the most of the situation and all coming from Laverty. I know this for a fact.

Lotto who's your club? If you think you're saints I doubt it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: messy gael on May 14, 2023, 03:21:25 PM
He Coaches plenty does our Lotto... Quite vocal on all fronts he is
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 14, 2023, 03:27:52 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 14, 2023, 03:09:41 PM
Quote from: messy gael on May 14, 2023, 02:03:01 PM
So After EVERY tackle our lads hold their heads ?? Do you think our management team allow time at training to go over this practice ??

What way do you coach your teams Lotto ???

There is a direct instruction to players to stay down and hold the head after a heavy tackle, to make the most of the situation and all coming from Laverty. I know this for a fact.
have a day off ffs and enjoy your Sunday.
You don't like Laverty we get it but if you think Down are worse than any other county you haven't watched much football. Kerry don't get called 'cute hoors' for their free flowing football, all the top teams make the most of every situation to gain an advantage. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 14, 2023, 03:42:19 PM
So you are all defending the way Laverty plays and tells his team what to do. Fair enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 14, 2023, 04:02:03 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 14, 2023, 03:42:19 PM
So you are all defending the way Laverty plays and tells his team what to do. Fair enough.

Avoid the question good lad
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 14, 2023, 04:33:13 PM
Not at all. How my club plays is up to them, I'm highlighting our current manager's influence on Kilcoo and Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 14, 2023, 04:37:06 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 14, 2023, 04:33:13 PM
Not at all. How my club plays is up to them, I'm highlighting our current manager's influence on Kilcoo and Down.

Still avoiding the question.. I've asked you your club because I can give you examples of clubs across the 4 divisions. This isn't a Laverty problem, this happens everywhere. You blanking giving your club for the 2nd time shows you know it isn't just Kilcoo and you've a fascination with bashing everyone associated with Down going back from your first post.

Was Poacher now it's Laverty - You also wanted Wee James to have the job and look how that worked out when he got it. I'd go pick up gold or bird watching to simmer yourself down a bit Lotto
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 14, 2023, 04:46:17 PM
Surely there are better ways to spend your time rather than researching my posts. I'll get out of your head if you want, just ask.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 14, 2023, 04:52:57 PM
Quote from: Lotto on May 14, 2023, 04:46:17 PM
Surely there are better ways to spend your time rather than researching my posts. I'll get out of your head if you want, just ask.

I don't allow sub-letting so you'll have to let Laverty out of your head before you get into mine
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 14, 2023, 04:55:24 PM
Not so sure there boyo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: messy gael on May 14, 2023, 05:59:53 PM
Lotto

Are you back on the beer today ? ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 14, 2023, 06:01:02 PM
Did anyone see Shane McGuigan go down with a phantom head injury then bounce back up like nothing happened. Those pesky Kilcoo Down Derry players. I blame Laverty for spending too much time with Derry men like Moran and Gilligan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 14, 2023, 06:56:36 PM
Catch yourselves on the pair of you.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 14, 2023, 09:45:59 PM
What a fantastic ulster final today. Yet again football is being saved by Ulster. The other 3 provinces are very poor in comparison and their finals were brutal. We are miles off that level yet in fairness. But let's keep chipping away and get into a higher league first and foremost. The bigger/better games we play more often - the more we will improve.
From the club football played to date (5 games) are there any obvious players the management has missed out of the panel that should be there?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on May 15, 2023, 01:38:21 PM
R.I.P. Martin Lynch.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 15, 2023, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: Targetman on May 15, 2023, 01:38:21 PM
R.I.P. Martin Lynch.
sad news. RIP.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on May 18, 2023, 02:02:32 PM
What is our thoughts on the weekend? Tough trip away to Tipp.

I wonder what sort of team will be put out by Laverty. Thought Brown, Carr and Fitzpatrick had a good game last weekend. Carr beaten for pace on the goal but lack of cover. Be intresting to see, I imagine Laverty is looking to find his strongest team for the latter stages. Anyone willing to take a guess at the team?

Symth

Laverty
Mc Evoy
Mc Ilroy

Rooney
Guniess
Annett

Murdock
Carr

Kerr
S. Johnstone
R. Johnstone

Brown
Havern
Gilmore
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on May 18, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
After Brannigans antics v Carryduff I hope he never pulls on the Down jersey ever again.

But what else would you expect from the holier than thou sheepmen...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: seanyb on May 18, 2023, 04:16:18 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 18, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
After Brannigans antics v Carryduff I hope he never pulls on the Down jersey ever again.

But what else would you expect from the holier than thou sheepmen...

Just seen the video...absolute tr**p
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on May 18, 2023, 04:34:01 PM
The biggest question to answer here is why were County men allowed to play last night when the rest will be starred come Friday night. Have heard James Guinness and Ryan McEvoy also played, correct me if im wrong. Either they wont be involved against Tipperary on Sunday or all other County players are available for clubs on Friday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimStynes on May 18, 2023, 04:44:57 PM
Quote from: seanyb on May 18, 2023, 04:16:18 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 18, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
After Brannigans antics v Carryduff I hope he never pulls on the Down jersey ever again.

But what else would you expect from the holier than thou sheepmen...

Just seen the video...absolute tr**p

Cowardly act. When was this? I hope he got a smack in the mouth in retaliation for it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: naka on May 18, 2023, 04:48:37 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 18, 2023, 04:44:57 PM
Quote from: seanyb on May 18, 2023, 04:16:18 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 18, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
After Brannigans antics v Carryduff I hope he never pulls on the Down jersey ever again.

But what else would you expect from the holier than thou sheepmen...

Just seen the video...absolute tr**p

Cowardly act. When was this? I hope he got a smack in the mouth in retaliation for it!
agreed, cowardly and should be banned, was passed the video like a fair few and it was totally unwarranted and vicious 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 18, 2023, 04:51:57 PM
What happened?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: naka on May 18, 2023, 04:56:15 PM
young Carryduff lad scored a goal( josh connery?) and was simply running out after scoring,  he was punched in the mouth by Brannigan
the young Carryduff guy was actually shocked that he was hit as it was totally unexpected.
word is teeth broken( can`t  confirm)
disgraceful act but the good thing if there is such a good thing in this scenario is that it is plainly seen on video
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on May 18, 2023, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 18, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
After Brannigans antics v Carryduff I hope he never pulls on the Down jersey ever again.

But what else would you expect from the holier than thou sheepmen...
I hope he never pulls on a Down jersey- not only for being a cowardly shit constantly throughout his career doing things like that but also for the fact he was crap against  both Donegal.and Armagh, he isn't and never will be county standard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 18, 2023, 08:21:54 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on May 18, 2023, 05:30:12 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 18, 2023, 03:36:29 PM
After Brannigans antics v Carryduff I hope he never pulls on the Down jersey ever again.

But what else would you expect from the holier than thou sheepmen...
I hope he never pulls on a Down jersey- not only for being a cowardly shit constantly throughout his career doing things like that but also for the fact he was crap against  both Donegal.and Armagh, he isn't and never will be county standard

Doesn't seem up to it at county level at all, and if that's the sort of low life behaviour he engages in at club level then I doubt many will miss him if he doesn't play for Down again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on May 18, 2023, 08:40:27 PM
OK so like most seen the video circling. Like most people always loved hard hitting football played in the right but fair way. Things of course can happen in the white heat but blatant cheap shots like that done last night are the most cowardly action putting it politely. Not sure who teaches that stuff or were you learn but I'd never want to see that like again on a football field for a long time. Disgusting and no need for it at the end of the day its football we want to watch. Wish the Carryduff lad well shite like that would put you off stripping out again hope he comes back stronger for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: jmcgdoire on May 18, 2023, 09:11:38 PM
It's a shame how often these kilcoo boys let themselves and their club down. Such a great club with an incredibly talented group of players but when incidents like this keep on cropping up. Whether it's sledging opponents or off the ball dirty antics at some point we have to question the culture that this club is promoting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 18, 2023, 09:16:24 PM
What a shower! You can guarantee he wouldn't act the hard man away from his home ground!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 18, 2023, 09:23:45 PM
Kilcoo will do what Kilcoo do - deny it, appeal it, cover it up and play him anyhow. No wonder they are hated. But after watching this video clip - how did Eugene get off that pitch unscathed? Only Carryduff players can answer that one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 03,05,08 on May 18, 2023, 09:24:00 PM
Quote from: naka on May 18, 2023, 04:56:15 PM
young Carryduff lad scored a goal( josh connery?) and was simply running out after scoring,  he was punched in the mouth by Brannigan
the young Carryduff guy was actually shocked that he was hit as it was totally unexpected.
word is teeth broken( can`t  confirm)
disgraceful act but the good thing if there is such a good thing in this scenario is that it is plainly seen on video

Just seen the video and that is an outrageous act, don't know the context of what happened but it seems that it was pretty unprovoked
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on May 18, 2023, 09:38:17 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 18, 2023, 09:16:24 PM
What a shower! You can guarantee he wouldn't act the hard man away from his home ground!
The game was in Carryduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 18, 2023, 09:40:35 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on May 18, 2023, 09:38:17 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 18, 2023, 09:16:24 PM
What a shower! You can guarantee he wouldn't act the hard man away from his home ground!
The game was in Carryduff

Shite. Saw the Mountains and assumed was Kilcoo. Thats a lock the gates, no ones leaving job!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: wobbller on May 18, 2023, 10:57:57 PM
Quote from: wobbller on May 10, 2023, 09:25:57 PM
Rumour that there is bit of in-fighting in the Kilcoo/Down camp.
Further rumour that the in-fighting now has Carryduff in the mix
due to the EB video.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 19, 2023, 09:55:32 AM
Not to defend the cowardly punch, but come on guys, have you ever seen a guy at your club throw a sly dig.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on May 19, 2023, 10:35:47 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 19, 2023, 09:55:32 AM
Not to defend the cowardly punch, but come on guys, have you ever seen a guy at your club throw a sly dig.

Reads like you're defending it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: champion1981 on May 19, 2023, 10:49:07 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 18, 2023, 09:16:24 PM
What a shower! You can guarantee he wouldn't act the hard man away from his home ground!
was this match not in Carryduff? A couple of years ago when a kilcoo man got assaulted by a clonduff player everyone was saying "what happens on the field should stay on the field " would like to see full video of the game! Heard from a neutral there was alot of stuff done of the ball on both teams especially duff no9 and no8! 🤷
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 19, 2023, 10:52:13 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 19, 2023, 09:55:32 AM
Not to defend the cowardly punch, but come on guys, have you ever seen a guy at your club throw a sly dig.

Must have stunned the young fella who would have been well within his rights to lamp Brannigan.

Nice to see the young lads behind the goals with the hurls all the same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 19, 2023, 01:03:31 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on May 19, 2023, 10:49:07 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 18, 2023, 09:16:24 PM
What a shower! You can guarantee he wouldn't act the hard man away from his home ground!
was this match not in Carryduff? A couple of years ago when a kilcoo man got assaulted by a clonduff player everyone was saying "what happens on the field should stay on the field " would like to see full video of the game! Heard from a neutral there was alot of stuff done of the ball on both teams especially duff no9 and no8! 🤷

No, I would think that if someone struck you on or off the pitch, they should go to the police, but this happens on every pitch and needs to be eliminated from our game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: jmcgdoire on May 19, 2023, 01:16:06 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on May 19, 2023, 01:03:31 PM
Quote from: champion1981 on May 19, 2023, 10:49:07 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 18, 2023, 09:16:24 PM
What a shower! You can guarantee he wouldn't act the hard man away from his home ground!
was this match not in Carryduff? A couple of years ago when a kilcoo man got assaulted by a clonduff player everyone was saying "what happens on the field should stay on the field " would like to see full video of the game! Heard from a neutral there was alot of stuff done of the ball on both teams especially duff no9 and no8! 🤷

No, I would think that if someone struck you on or off the pitch, they should go to the police, but this happens on every pitch and needs to be eliminated from our game.

Agreed. There are tit-for-tat situations that can be left on the pitch but assault is assault. And there are players/clubs that are using gaelic football as a shield to carry out acts of violence. I can tolerate when two lads get into a scrap with each other and share a few blows but what Branigan did was blatant assault in the most cowardly fashion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on May 19, 2023, 01:24:42 PM
You would think with the over reaction here that the lad was shot, it goes on in every game. Look at the off the ball stuff that happened in the Armagh and Derry game and not a word about it. Just the usual let's bash Kilcoo!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: JimStynes on May 19, 2023, 01:51:12 PM
Quote from: PTC on May 19, 2023, 01:24:42 PM
You would think with the over reaction here that the lad was shot, it goes on in every game. Look at the off the ball stuff that happened in the Armagh and Derry game and not a word about it. Just the usual let's bash Kilcoo!

I'm struggling to remember a game that I saw something as cowardly as that, nevermind it happening in every game as you claim. sc**bag move!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 19, 2023, 02:08:44 PM
Quote from: PTC on May 19, 2023, 01:24:42 PM
You would think with the over reaction here that the lad was shot, it goes on in every game. Look at the off the ball stuff that happened in the Armagh and Derry game and not a word about it. Just the usual let's bash Kilcoo!

Overreaction lol.. Same club took a Clonduff player to court. Youse would be crying and have the sheep shitting all over the offending clubs parish if it happened to youse
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 19, 2023, 02:34:06 PM
Quote from: PTC on May 19, 2023, 01:24:42 PM
You would think with the over reaction here that the lad was shot, it goes on in every game. Look at the off the ball stuff that happened in the Armagh and Derry game and not a word about it. Just the usual let's bash Kilcoo!

Although it doesn't happen in every game, it has in the past taken place in every club where a sneaky punch was thrown. The only way to stop it is by following the correct procedures. It needs stamped out  from the county board as well, but because he is a county player, this will go unnoticed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnPuca on May 19, 2023, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 19, 2023, 02:08:44 PM
Quote from: PTC on May 19, 2023, 01:24:42 PM
You would think with the over reaction here that the lad was shot, it goes on in every game. Look at the off the ball stuff that happened in the Armagh and Derry game and not a word about it. Just the usual let's bash Kilcoo!

Overreaction lol.. Same club took a Clonduff player to court. Youse would be crying and have the sheep shitting all over the offending clubs parish if it happened to youse

What Clonduff player was that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on May 19, 2023, 03:53:31 PM
Quote from: AnPuca on May 19, 2023, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 19, 2023, 02:08:44 PM
Quote from: PTC on May 19, 2023, 01:24:42 PM
You would think with the over reaction here that the lad was shot, it goes on in every game. Look at the off the ball stuff that happened in the Armagh and Derry game and not a word about it. Just the usual let's bash Kilcoo!

Overreaction lol.. Same club took a Clonduff player to court. Youse would be crying and have the sheep shitting all over the offending clubs parish if it happened to youse

What Clonduff player was that?
My namesake's son Charlie. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on May 19, 2023, 08:44:07 PM
Hearing reports the young lad from carryduff made it to the stag today. He recovered quickly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on May 19, 2023, 09:16:56 PM
😂😂😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on May 19, 2023, 09:20:43 PM
Quote from: PTC on May 19, 2023, 08:44:07 PM
Hearing reports the young lad from carryduff made it to the stag today. He recovered quickly.
In fairness the lad didn't even flinch and ran straight through it. Wrong boy picked on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: knockitdown on May 19, 2023, 09:22:06 PM
Quote from: PTC on May 19, 2023, 08:44:07 PM
Hearing reports the young lad from carryduff made it to the stag today. He recovered quickly.

Ah that makes it ok so  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 20, 2023, 11:03:07 AM
So, tight at the bottomof Div 1 with us Longstone and Bryansford on 2 points. Mind you if at the start of the season someone had said you would be two points behind Burren after 6 games, you would think top 4 or 5, not joint bottom.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: yellowcard on May 20, 2023, 12:53:01 PM
It was a dirty act by Brannigan and he deserves to have the book thrown at him but it wasn't exactly cowardly when you consider that he punched a lad much bigger than him straight up to his face. If it wasn't filmed however, nobody would be talking about it but the fact that it circulated on social media has made it much bigger than countless incidents that go under the radar. I heard that Lavertys future is in the balance after the Down county board wanted him to take action but he didn't want to get involved. It begs a few questions:

1) Why was Brannigan allowed to play a few days before a county championship match. It may indicate that Down aren't taking the Tailteann Cup that seriously.
2) How did a lad lose 3 teeth in an era where gumshields are compulsory.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on May 20, 2023, 12:54:16 PM
Quote from: oliverkelly on May 20, 2023, 02:06:06 AM
Was that the bender who wears the tights throwing that slap?

Yea 😂😂 Jesus it was some slap
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: nrico2006 on May 20, 2023, 01:00:27 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 20, 2023, 12:53:01 PM
It was a dirty act by Brannigan and he deserves to have the book thrown at him but it wasn't exactly cowardly when you consider that he punched a lad much bigger than him straight up to his face. If it wasn't filmed however, nobody would be talking about it but the fact that it circulated on social media has made it much bigger than countless incidents that go under the radar. I heard that Lavertys future is in the balance after the Down county board wanted him to take action but he didn't want to get involved. It begs a few questions:

1) Why was Brannigan allowed to play a few days before a county championship match. It may indicate that Down aren't taking the Tailteann Cup that seriously.
2) How did a lad lose 3 teeth in an era where gumshields are compulsory.

Wise up. Its a completely cowardly act, sucker punch or whatever you want to call it. Your questions completely miss the mark too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on May 20, 2023, 02:46:47 PM
Anyone making the trip to Tipp ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 20, 2023, 02:55:50 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 20, 2023, 12:53:01 PM
It was a dirty act by Brannigan and he deserves to have the book thrown at him but it wasn't exactly cowardly when you consider that he punched a lad much bigger than him straight up to his face. If it wasn't filmed however, nobody would be talking about it but the fact that it circulated on social media has made it much bigger than countless incidents that go under the radar. I heard that Lavertys future is in the balance after the Down county board wanted him to take action but he didn't want to get involved. It begs a few questions:

1) Why was Brannigan allowed to play a few days before a county championship match. It may indicate that Down aren't taking the Tailteann Cup that seriously.
2) How did a lad lose 3 teeth in an era where gumshields are compulsory.

Try to deflect the blame to the victim, well done. Gumshields weren't brought in to protect players from idiots who want to catch them unawares with fly digs to the mouth.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Phoenix rising on May 20, 2023, 03:57:59 PM
One question not being asked is why has Laverty not distanced himself from Kilcoo while he is Down Manager........ because they think they can do what they want

The dogs on the street know teabag is kilcoo manager as soon as Down's season is over...

The County Board will not act on the evidence - NO Balls

Maybe Brannigan will go to confession before mass and ask for forgiveness 😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on May 20, 2023, 07:51:23 PM
Quote from: Phoenix rising on May 20, 2023, 03:57:59 PM
One question not being asked is why has Laverty not distanced himself from Kilcoo while he is Down Manager........ because they think they can do what they want

The dogs on the street know teabag is kilcoo manager as soon as Down's season is over...

The County Board will not act on the evidence - NO Balls

Maybe Brannigan will go to confession before mass and ask for forgiveness 😂

If Brannigan is going to mass he should take Connery with him after the dirty action he did against the ford last week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 20, 2023, 10:11:18 PM
Was there any altercations in the match between brannigan and Connery aside from the punch? Maybe the video will show something...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 20, 2023, 10:24:16 PM
Don't recall any Derry or Armagh men punching each other, just another way of deflecting from a person's action.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on May 20, 2023, 10:32:02 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 20, 2023, 10:24:16 PM
Don't recall any Derry or Armagh men punching each other, just another way of deflecting from a person's action.

Just trying to break fingers and biting in that match
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 21, 2023, 12:35:30 AM
Quote from: PTC on May 20, 2023, 10:32:02 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 20, 2023, 10:24:16 PM
Don't recall any Derry or Armagh men punching each other, just another way of deflecting from a person's action.

Just trying to break fingers and biting in that match

So someone else in an unrelated match acted a tr**p, so that excuses every other player in Ireland when it comes to their own sc**bag actions? Sure apply that logic to society and we can all act the tr**p and blame other people.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on May 21, 2023, 08:52:45 AM
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Down team named for Tipp game. Good to see Ruairi O'Hare back in and John O'Hare getting his chance in championship football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: tirnaog on May 21, 2023, 09:16:40 AM
Glad to see John O Hare on the team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: harryR on May 21, 2023, 03:19:04 PM
Have many of the kilcoo lads, that where on the panel to start the year walked away?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 21, 2023, 06:16:44 PM
Big win today, great to see a large range of different scorers. 2 routine victories so far.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on May 21, 2023, 07:50:27 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 21, 2023, 09:39:06 PM
Down struggled I'm the 1st half. Some poor decision making and passing. But the 2nd half was a massive improvement. I have no idea why tipp won a penalty. But after that Down closed the game out. Score  Couldve been a lot more. Good confidence builders heading into the Meath game in 2 weeks.  Anyone who stayed for the hurling experienced some atmosphere and a magnificent game of hurling. 100 mph and they never stopped.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 22, 2023, 07:46:00 AM
The hurling was fantastic, I'd always planned to go to a Munster hurling game and it was everything it was built up to be. The Limerick support definitely outnumbered the tipp support which suprised me.

As a venue Thurles is much superior than Clones, it really hit home how Clones has been left to rot with no investment for years.

Down played really well particularly in the 2nd half despite Laverty leaving out Ryan McEvoy and Liam Kerr. Pat Havern and Odhran Murdock were impressive and Danny Magill came off the bench and put in a good performance.

All in all,  a great day out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on May 22, 2023, 08:54:12 AM
Lots of green shoots, lads played really well even though Tipp were very poor. Huge opportunity to keep building and give the wider squad chances to impress, well done. The atmosphere, intensity and hits in the hurling was insane.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on May 22, 2023, 09:25:13 AM
is Jerome Johnstone still on the panel? Or is he injured?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 22, 2023, 09:50:19 AM
Thurles may be old. But it's miles ahead of clones. The stands have bars, a chipper, shop ,tea coffee facilities. The toilets are vast. I also always planned to go to a big hurling game in thurles. And it didn't disappoint.  It was tribal
I've never experienced that atmosphere in Ulster football ever.  I was in  the stand from where the cameras and dug out are and it is massive. Clones is just a load of concrete dumped in a field. An absolute kip.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 22, 2023, 06:50:06 PM
Down v Meath fixed for Parnell park,  Saturday 3rd June at 1pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 22, 2023, 10:37:44 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 22, 2023, 06:50:06 PM
Down v Meath fixed for Parnell park,  Saturday 3rd June at 1pm
Is it a double header with laois and London? Small ground  shite time overcharging will relate to a small crowd.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 22, 2023, 10:39:28 PM
Yeah Laois v London is on after us, we didn't get quite as lucky as the last round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 23, 2023, 08:46:27 AM
Quote from: ardtole on May 22, 2023, 10:39:28 PM
Yeah Laois v London is on after us, we didn't get quite as lucky as the last round.
Wont be many hanging around for that. I'm in Spain so won't get to Meath game. Hope its on gaago. Or I might catch it on LMFM. A home qf is a big carrot. Then the semi is in Croke pk
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: messy gael on May 23, 2023, 11:26:35 AM
Down game is on GAAGO  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on May 23, 2023, 08:16:35 PM
few ex down panelists on London team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 23, 2023, 09:43:28 PM
Quote from: messy gael on May 23, 2023, 11:26:35 AM
Down game is on GAAGO  :D
Great. Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 24, 2023, 09:56:47 PM
Just when I thought we had turned the corner - we do that.. Very hard to watch and even harder to stomach.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 25, 2023, 09:57:42 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 24, 2023, 09:56:47 PM
Just when I thought we had turned the corner - we do that.. Very hard to watch and even harder to stomach.

???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on May 25, 2023, 10:17:14 AM
I assume it was Burren's win over CPN.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 25, 2023, 10:34:43 AM
Oh, I just saw the result; I had no idea that was going on. A big result for Burren .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on May 25, 2023, 11:29:45 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 24, 2023, 09:56:47 PM
Just when I thought we had turned the corner - we do that.. Very hard to watch and even harder to stomach.

If you thought CPN had turned a corner I'd love to know why. Just beat Bredagh and a poor stone team plus got a soft free to steal the game against the bridge last week. Sure you have 4/5 key players with long term injuries plus 2/3 starters are suppose to be heading to the USA. Staying up will be a good season for CPN this year.
They were shocking as a team against Burren last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 25, 2023, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: elk on May 25, 2023, 11:29:45 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 24, 2023, 09:56:47 PM
Just when I thought we had turned the corner - we do that.. Very hard to watch and even harder to stomach.

If you thought CPN had turned a corner I'd love to know why. Just beat Bredagh and a poor stone team plus got a soft free to steal the game against the bridge last week. Sure you have 4/5 key players with long term injuries plus 2/3 starters are suppose to be heading to the USA. Staying up will be a good season for CPN this year.
They were shocking as a team against Burren last night.

Don't hold back Elk, let it all out ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on May 25, 2023, 02:47:55 PM
I see Carryduff are top of division 1 in Down and they took kilcoo to extra time a few years ago.  Do they have much more talent coming through, would they have a realistic chance of winning a championship this year or is it a 2 horse race between Kilcoo and Burren? 

Would many of the Down u20 side from Burren be starting on their senior team?  That was some achievement to have 8 starting on an ulster winning u20 side. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 25, 2023, 10:23:55 PM
5 started last night for them. Paddy McCarthy, Ronan Kelly, Oran Murdock, Harry Magill and Aaron Cole. Not sure if the others are injured or unavailable - but I know Niall Toner is out for the season and James Kelly is going abroad to play football.
We may not have set the world alight with who we beat - but they were wins nonetheless elk. Looking at the table we will have a real scrap on our hands to stay up but hopefully other teams results will be worse than ours.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 25, 2023, 10:40:27 PM
Why is Laverty letting county men play club games?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 25, 2023, 11:18:51 PM
Any Burren posters? I know we have a few but kind mind who - have a question about the Burren/Island game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 26, 2023, 08:00:35 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 25, 2023, 10:40:27 PM
Why is Laverty letting county men play club games?

Personally I like that approach, as long as each club benefits equally. Always thought it very unfair on county panellists missing huge chunks of their club season, for limited or no game time at county level. I'm sure they are well managed in terms of recovery etc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on May 26, 2023, 08:41:44 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 26, 2023, 08:00:35 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 25, 2023, 10:40:27 PM
Why is Laverty letting county men play club games?

Personally I like that approach, as long as each club benefits equally. Always thought it very unfair on county panellists missing huge chunks of their club season, for limited or no game time at county level. I'm sure they are well managed in terms of recovery etc

I'd say he knows his first 20/22 players.  No. 23 to No. 32 or whatever should be allowed to play with the clubs.

Common sense really.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 26, 2023, 08:44:43 AM
It is a great idea letting the boys get a game of football. It keeps everyone happy and he is being fair on all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 26, 2023, 08:45:39 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 25, 2023, 10:23:55 PM
5 started last night for them. Paddy McCarthy, Ronan Kelly, Oran Murdock, Harry Magill and Aaron Cole. Not sure if the others are injured or unavailable - but I know Niall Toner is out for the season and James Kelly is going abroad to play football.
We may not have set the world alight with who we beat - but they were wins nonetheless elk. Looking at the table we will have a real scrap on our hands to stay up but hopefully other teams results will be worse than ours.

Who is Warrenpoint's manager?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 26, 2023, 10:50:01 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 26, 2023, 08:00:35 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 25, 2023, 10:40:27 PM
Why is Laverty letting county men play club games?

Personally I like that approach, as long as each club benefits equally. Always thought it very unfair on county panellists missing huge chunks of their club season, for limited or no game time at county level. I'm sure they are well managed in terms of recovery etc

Surely that's the point of the split season though. What would the response be if Heavron or one of the main players got injured? In Derry the leagues are just run off without county men. You could argue there isn't the same bite in matches but more club men get games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 26, 2023, 11:05:51 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 26, 2023, 10:50:01 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 26, 2023, 08:00:35 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 25, 2023, 10:40:27 PM
Why is Laverty letting county men play club games?

Personally I like that approach, as long as each club benefits equally. Always thought it very unfair on county panellists missing huge chunks of their club season, for limited or no game time at county level. I'm sure they are well managed in terms of recovery etc

Surely that's the point of the split season though. What would the response be if Heavron or one of the main players got injured? In Derry the leagues are just run off without county men. You could argue there isn't the same bite in matches but more club men get games

In sport people can get injured, part and parcel of it. Players can get injured in training too. Personally, I don't think depriving players of playing time with their clubs is a good thing. At the end of the day, they play football because they enjoy it. Just my own opinion, I understand some will see it differently through more of a county team focused lens.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on May 26, 2023, 11:24:17 AM
Lets be real... Most these players will be better challenged in their own club leagues, compared to Waterford & Tipp.

C'mon lads, 2 brutal teams and learn absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 26, 2023, 04:35:29 PM

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Who is Warrenpoint's manager?
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John Boyle is player manager..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on May 26, 2023, 05:00:56 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 25, 2023, 11:18:51 PM
Any Burren posters? I know we have a few but kind mind who - have a question about the Burren/Island game

I was at that one - pretty forgettable performance from a Burren perspective - ask away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 26, 2023, 10:01:32 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 25, 2023, 11:18:51 PM
Any Burren posters? I know we have a few but kind mind who - have a question about the Burren/Island game


What ya hear?
Gotta be something if you're asking!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on May 26, 2023, 11:19:11 PM
Loughinisland going really well this year. Players and managers deserve a lot of credit for what they've done so far
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on May 27, 2023, 09:45:54 AM
Gap developing at the bottom of Div 1, us, Longstone and Bryansford all on 2. Did think CPN would be in that dogfight but have 7 and not to far off a safe points total. Think it will come down to games against each other and the odd home win somewhere.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on May 30, 2023, 03:30:40 PM
Has the Brannigan thing just gone away?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 30, 2023, 04:39:43 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on May 30, 2023, 03:30:40 PM
Has the Brannigan thing just gone away?

Of course it has. You do realise the club he plays for? County board are scared of them in general but when the county manager is also from there they definitely don't want to upset the applecart. Even if he was suspended for three games - the first thing Kilcoo would do is appeal caus that's what they do - no matter how bad the crime is..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 30, 2023, 05:17:57 PM
No issue hasn't gone away. A kilcoo lad got busted in an off the ball incident at a reserve at the weekend so unfortunately problem still exists. Also brannigan has been suspended for a month so it wasnt overlooked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on May 30, 2023, 07:07:35 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 30, 2023, 05:17:57 PM
No issue hasn't gone away. A kilcoo lad got busted in an off the ball incident at a reserve at the weekend so unfortunately problem still exists. Also brannigan has been suspended for a month so it wasnt overlooked.

Plus carryduff wont share footage of their match with bryansford because of Connery's dirty action. It's laughable
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 30, 2023, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 30, 2023, 05:17:57 PM
No issue hasn't gone away. A kilcoo lad got busted in an off the ball incident at a reserve at the weekend so unfortunately problem still exists. Also brannigan has been suspended for a month so it wasnt overlooked.

Suspended by who??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on May 30, 2023, 10:05:09 PM
Where have you been, do o you not know who administers suspensions, the County Board. Did you think it was Stephen ,Nolan o to Jim Allister. Why do we allow theeducationally challenged on here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on May 31, 2023, 08:00:09 AM
If I was you I would read that post again before I start calling others out on being "Educationally Challenged"
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on May 31, 2023, 09:17:07 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on May 31, 2023, 08:00:09 AM
If I was you I would read that post again before I start calling others out on being "Educationally Challenged"

🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 31, 2023, 10:10:12 AM
Quote from: PTC on May 30, 2023, 07:07:35 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 30, 2023, 05:17:57 PM
No issue hasn't gone away. A kilcoo lad got busted in an off the ball incident at a reserve at the weekend so unfortunately problem still exists. Also brannigan has been suspended for a month so it wasnt overlooked.

Plus carryduff wont share footage of their match with bryansford because of Connery's dirty action. It's laughable

Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on May 31, 2023, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 31, 2023, 10:10:12 AM
Quote from: PTC on May 30, 2023, 07:07:35 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 30, 2023, 05:17:57 PM
No issue hasn't gone away. A kilcoo lad got busted in an off the ball incident at a reserve at the weekend so unfortunately problem still exists. Also brannigan has been suspended for a month so it wasnt overlooked.

Plus carryduff wont share footage of their match with bryansford because of Connery's dirty action. It's laughable

Care to elaborate?
Carryduff and bryansford game was in Newcastle. Carryduff wanted to video it and asked bryansford if it was ok, bryansford agreed as long as they got a copy. Carryduff won't share the footage because it shows there player( Connery) punching bryansford player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on May 31, 2023, 05:25:29 PM
Quote from: PTC on May 31, 2023, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on May 31, 2023, 10:10:12 AM
Quote from: PTC on May 30, 2023, 07:07:35 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 30, 2023, 05:17:57 PM
No issue hasn't gone away. A kilcoo lad got busted in an off the ball incident at a reserve at the weekend so unfortunately problem still exists. Also brannigan has been suspended for a month so it wasnt overlooked.

Plus carryduff wont share footage of their match with bryansford because of Connery's dirty action. It's laughable

Care to elaborate?
Carryduff and bryansford game was in Newcastle. Carryduff wanted to video it and asked bryansford if it was ok, bryansford agreed as long as they got a copy. Carryduff won't share the footage because it shows there player( Connery) punching bryansford player.

I see. Have you seen it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 31, 2023, 11:24:28 PM
Kilcoo beat again. With McEvoy, Morgan, Johnston all freed up to play. Are Clonduff dark horses? Have now beaten a few of the so called big guns in round one of the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 01, 2023, 08:50:59 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 31, 2023, 11:24:28 PM
Kilcoo beat again. With McEvoy, Morgan, Johnston all freed up to play. Are Clonduff dark horses? Have now beaten a few of the so called big guns in round one of the league.

Again? You write that like they're in trouble. :D

What was their full team?

After 8 games, Kilcoo is in a healthy position. They'll be safe with 12 points, and they can now easily transition into championship mode.


For a number of years, Clonduff has been considered a dark horse, but they often falter at the final fence .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 02, 2023, 11:57:51 AM
Is anyone available for games tonight and has a team been picked for tomorrow yet?

Fair credit must be given to Conor and the management group, who have done a fine job of releasing players for the group games.


Everyone needs to support the team in its bid for success after this weekend. There shouldn't be any county players competing in the league until they are eliminated from the tournament. Its only a few weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on June 03, 2023, 02:41:07 PM
Tight game this afternoon. Shooting not great from both teams but 17 wides and being outscored 5 points to 1 in last 20 minutes tells you the story of the game. Into the premlin quarter finals next week. Maybe this team needs to be playing in consecutive weeks to keep sharp
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 03, 2023, 02:45:57 PM
Looked the better team for long parts but some really bad wides, some strange refereeing and a strong Meath finish combined to a 2 point defeat. Some of the shooting today was crazy, 17 wides.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on June 03, 2023, 03:04:29 PM
Meath the better team, too many of the Down players had no ability to take their men on; no conviction or confidence in their shooting. This is our level; for all the hype about Laverty we aren't much better than last year. Not his fault, our players just aren't very good. The Kilcoo batch are great at club level, but not up to it at the higher level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on June 03, 2023, 03:52:25 PM
Wouldn't get too carried away with that defeat. Could easily have won it on another day and still in the mix. Hopefully improved performance next week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 03, 2023, 05:23:49 PM
 Down should've won that. The forwards were abysmal. Some of the shots were laughable. Absolutely dreadful. Meath were no better. Laverty has a massive job on his hands. Main one is to unearth forwards that know how to put the ball over the bar.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 03, 2023, 07:55:12 PM
Surely a game like today's was set up for the likes of Gilmore. He done well in the 1st few league games, but the hard ground, favourable weather conditions would suit him.

O'Hagan has been a huge loss, I thought Havern's form dipped when Barry got injured too, they had a good understanding.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 03, 2023, 08:16:26 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 03, 2023, 07:55:12 PM
Surely a game like today's was set up for the likes of Gilmore. He done well in the 1st few league games, but the hard ground, favourable weather conditions would suit him.

O'Hagan has been a huge loss, I thought Havern's form dipped when Barry got injured too, they had a good understanding.
Gilmore is out injured
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 04, 2023, 07:05:05 AM
OK. I didn't know that, we will really be hoping that Oisin Savage hits the ground running next season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 04, 2023, 05:52:18 PM
Down will play Longford in Newry next weekend in preliminary quarter final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 04, 2023, 06:43:19 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 04, 2023, 05:52:18 PM
Down will play Longford in Newry next weekend in preliminary quarter final

Longford will be tricky opponents. They knocked Down out in a back door game in Newry a few years ago.
Hopefully management & players are learning with every game & can continue on the the quarterfinals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 04, 2023, 07:32:05 PM
My recollection of the league game v longford was how much better thry took scores. Downs fwds would need to be a lot better than yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 04, 2023, 08:09:02 PM
Longford beat Wicklow and lost to Carlow and Limerick to finish 3rd in their group, if Down have any ambitions to go further in the competition it's a match they should be winning comfortably, especially at home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Rover on June 04, 2023, 09:53:20 PM
The visit to Parnell Park yesterday confirmed that, despite the obvious progress since last year, we deservedly remain a side of Tailteann Cup/D3 status and at this stage our forwards do not collectively possess the quality required to take us to the next level.

Our defence plainly lacks physique but did OK to restrict Meath to a modest enough total of 1-11, which would have been even lower with a decent referee. However, we only managed 1-09 in reply against limited opposition because our six starting forwards scored one point from play in perfect playing conditions.

Many of our 17 wides were from relatively straightforward positions in and around the D, and, unlike Meath, none of our substitutions made much difference. We are badly missing O'Hagan, while Gilmore and the two older Johnsons may hopefully return soon, but our prospects will only improve when we develop some further options up front.

Although we can certainly look to our successful u20s, the likes of Savage and Doran are hugely talented but are only likely to make an impact at senior level after serious S and C work. It was obvious against Armagh in the USC that a disproportionate number of pacey but lightweight forwards will take us nowhere in the big games.

Murdock was again a shining light yesterday, even if he understandably faded in the heat late on, while the competition between Kane and O'Hare in goals is serving us well.

Our main problems are at the other end of the field, and, after Laverty used 40 players in the league, more than any other manager across the four divisions, only an optimist would believe that we have many hidden gems out there.

Improving our existing forwards will not be easy but remains essential if we are to advance in this year's Tailteann or the 2024 league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 04, 2023, 10:13:54 PM
Final round of league fixtures in round one this week. Is there any outstanding player out there that has been missed by county management who would make a real sustainable challenge to make the team consistently? I don't think I have seen any..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Coddfather on June 05, 2023, 08:18:42 AM
Any update on Branagan situation???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 05, 2023, 08:58:18 AM
Would savage and doran not be worth blooding In the tailteann Cup?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 05, 2023, 09:54:16 AM
Quote from: The Coddfather on June 05, 2023, 08:18:42 AM
Any update on Branagan situation???

Tonight at 8:00 p.m. in Castlewellan Upper Square, Eugene will be hung, drawn, and quartered.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 05, 2023, 10:42:02 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 05, 2023, 08:58:18 AM
Would savage and doran not be worth blooding In the tailteann Cup?

We're top of the league atm let's leave Savage with Island for this season ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 06, 2023, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 05, 2023, 10:42:02 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 05, 2023, 08:58:18 AM
Would savage and doran not be worth blooding In the tailteann Cup?

We're top of the league atm let's leave Savage with Island for this season ;)

Will he be returning from the United States every Friday?  :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on June 06, 2023, 07:48:19 PM
Sure Mourne Red is a Dundrum man he's maybe not in the loop  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on June 06, 2023, 10:40:28 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 06, 2023, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 05, 2023, 10:42:02 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 05, 2023, 08:58:18 AM
Would savage and doran not be worth blooding In the tailteann Cup?

We're top of the league atm let's leave Savage with Island for this season ;)

Will he be returning from the United States every Friday?  :)

Is his trip to the States still happening?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheBarrel on June 06, 2023, 11:44:06 PM
When are the first rounds of the championships this year? Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 07, 2023, 09:25:30 PM
Can the club season please just end.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 07, 2023, 10:22:35 PM
Quote from: TheBarrel on June 06, 2023, 11:44:06 PM
When are the first rounds of the championships this year? Thanks

Usually early August
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on June 08, 2023, 02:17:25 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 07, 2023, 09:25:30 PM
Can the club season please just end.....

Use are dreadful. That scoreline actually flattered the point tonight. Shadow of the team CPN have had in recent seasons. Don't think it's a transition period, it is the end of an era sorry to say.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on June 08, 2023, 08:32:04 AM
Quote from: upandwin on June 08, 2023, 02:17:25 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 07, 2023, 09:25:30 PM
Can the club season please just end.....

Use are dreadful. That scoreline actually flattered the point tonight. Shadow of the team CPN have had in recent seasons. Don't think it's a transition period, it is the end of an era sorry to say.

As dreadful as you say and I'm not making any excuses for our performance which was poor but, last night we were missing 12 players from our championship run to the final last year which might explain being a shadow of ourselves. With 7 injuries , 2 travellers 1 transfer & 2 county players we definitely are struggling in some matches. More disappointing is that the great CPN supporter JohnnyBoy should know we have these problems. Some more long term than short. But you take 12 starting players out of any team and you are going to struggle. To have 9 points at the half way stage and be mid table is an excellent return in the predicament we find ourselves IMO. Hopefully some of these 12 will be back before the league ends & Championship starts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on June 08, 2023, 09:16:55 AM
Quote from: True Blue on June 08, 2023, 08:32:04 AM
Quote from: upandwin on June 08, 2023, 02:17:25 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 07, 2023, 09:25:30 PM
Can the club season please just end.....

Use are dreadful. That scoreline actually flattered the point tonight. Shadow of the team CPN have had in recent seasons. Don't think it's a transition period, it is the end of an era sorry to say.

As dreadful as you say and I'm not making any excuses for our performance which was poor but, last night we were missing 12 players from our championship run to the final last year which might explain being a shadow of ourselves. With 7 injuries , 2 travellers 1 transfer & 2 county players we definitely are struggling in some matches. More disappointing is that the great CPN supporter JohnnyBoy should know we have these problems. Some more long term than short. But you take 12 starting players out of any team and you are going to struggle. To have 9 points at the half way stage and be mid table is an excellent return in the predicament we find ourselves IMO. Hopefully some of these 12 will be back before the league ends & Championship starts.
Who was the transfer?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: True Blue on June 08, 2023, 09:42:48 AM
Quote from: statto on June 08, 2023, 09:16:55 AM
Quote from: True Blue on June 08, 2023, 08:32:04 AM
Quote from: upandwin on June 08, 2023, 02:17:25 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 07, 2023, 09:25:30 PM
Can the club season please just end.....
Who was the transfer?

Cormac McCartan to Dublin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 08, 2023, 09:59:56 AM
Quote from: True Blue on June 08, 2023, 08:32:04 AM
Quote from: upandwin on June 08, 2023, 02:17:25 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on June 07, 2023, 09:25:30 PM
Can the club season please just end.....

Use are dreadful. That scoreline actually flattered the point tonight. Shadow of the team CPN have had in recent seasons. Don't think it's a transition period, it is the end of an era sorry to say.

As dreadful as you say and I'm not making any excuses for our performance which was poor but, last night we were missing 12 players from our championship run to the final last year which might explain being a shadow of ourselves. With 7 injuries , 2 travellers 1 transfer & 2 county players we definitely are struggling in some matches. More disappointing is that the great CPN supporter JohnnyBoy should know we have these problems. Some more long term than short. But you take 12 starting players out of any team and you are going to struggle. To have 9 points at the half way stage and be mid table is an excellent return in the predicament we find ourselves IMO. Hopefully some of these 12 will be back before the league ends & Championship starts.

happily take your 9 points at half way stage. think 11 will be well safe given 3 on 2 points and I cant see two teams putting together a 5 win. Big game tomorrow night for us away to Bryansford a 4 pointer, not season defining for both clubs yet but a win will sure as hell help.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 08, 2023, 06:27:05 PM


As dreadful as you say and I'm not making any excuses for our performance which was poor but, last night we were missing 12 players from our championship run to the final last year which might explain being a shadow of ourselves. With 7 injuries , 2 travellers 1 transfer & 2 county players we definitely are struggling in some matches. More disappointing is that the great CPN supporter JohnnyBoy should know we have these problems. Some more long term than short. But you take 12 starting players out of any team and you are going to struggle. To have 9 points at the half way stage and be mid table is an excellent return in the predicament we find ourselves IMO. Hopefully some of these 12 will be back before the league ends & Championship starts.
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7 injuries - let's get that one sorted first - we may get Lynch and possibly Murdock back - we would be lucky if any others get back and would be in the latter stages of championship if that happens. 2 travellers - we ain't having them all season and one transfer explains itself.. why oh why do we always look at what we are missing instead of what we have?? The travellers will not play this year and I'm thinking 5 of the injuries won't either so are we going to put the whole season down to 7 players we absolutely knew we were never going to have?  Grow up.. every single club in this county are missing players in every single game through injury, travel etc but they don't harp on about it. 9 points is a poor return from 9 games if we are being honest and we are just lucky there are worse teams in the league than ourselves.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 08, 2023, 06:32:30 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on June 07, 2023, 10:22:35 PM
Quote from: TheBarrel on June 06, 2023, 11:44:06 PM
When are the first rounds of the championships this year? Thanks

Usually early August

Usually late August
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on June 08, 2023, 06:41:06 PM
What's the story with McEvoy & Rooney playing for Kilcoo last night? Why would they be risked with Longford game so close?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the goal was on on June 08, 2023, 07:45:52 PM
laverty must be looking to keep kilcoo sharp too and not let county commitments hamper them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 08, 2023, 11:13:24 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on June 08, 2023, 06:41:06 PM
What's the story with McEvoy & Rooney playing for Kilcoo last night? Why would they be risked with Longford game so close?

A risk that backfired with pictures of Ryan McEvoy going around in hospital after injury during the game. Might miss remainder of TC I heard..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheBarrel on June 09, 2023, 12:00:44 AM
@supersub and @hard2listen2 thank you. I see Paddypower have odds released for the senior championship already but none for the intermediate or junior.

I usually observe the football from a distance but can't help but notice a few teams across each division underperforming based off league standings in recent years. Can anyone shed some light? Burren in division 1, Rostrevor in 2, Darragh cross and Tullylish in 3, and Ardglass in 4. Most of them have been competing in their respective championship finals or leagues in recent years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on June 09, 2023, 11:45:30 AM
Quote from: TheBarrel on June 09, 2023, 12:00:44 AM
@supersub and @hard2listen2 thank you. I see Paddypower have odds released for the senior championship already but none for the intermediate or junior.

I usually observe the football from a distance but can't help but notice a few teams across each division underperforming based off league standings in recent years. Can anyone shed some light? Burren in division 1, Rostrevor in 2, Darragh cross and Tullylish in 3, and Ardglass in 4. Most of them have been competing in their respective championship finals or leagues in recent years

Burren possibly have their eyes on the championship, as there is little danger of relegation from div 1 for them. The number of county players they have has maybe led to a few below par results. Rostrevor in div 2 are probably in a realistic position given the teams above them have all been playing SFC for a number of years. In my opinion it's RGU that look to have slipped, as they are quite a distance off the pace now. Darragh Cross struggling is more of a surprise, they seem to have went backwards. Tullylish also have went downhill, though if you look through last year's results there were some close games against weaker sides. I believe a few injuries have caused them problems, with a small enough squad that can be a disaster. Ardglass seem to be sitting below the 5 teams relegated from div 3 last year, and they aren't far off them so again they are probably were they wanted to be at this stage. I think that league splits in two after one round, so a top 6 finish to play the better teams again ahead of the JFC should be the aim there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on June 09, 2023, 02:10:24 PM
Team for Longford

Kane
Doherty
Laverty
McCarthy
Collins
Magill
Guinness
Annett
Murdock
Doherty
McAleenan
Kerr
Gilmore
Havern
Branagan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on June 09, 2023, 03:08:20 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on June 09, 2023, 02:10:24 PM
Team for Longford

Kane
Doherty
Laverty
McCarthy
Collins
Magill
Guinness
Annett
Murdock
Doherty
McAleenan
Kerr
Gilmore
Havern
Branagan

Is there no other scoring forwards available for Down?  Gilmore has looked decent in past but just had feeling last weekend if havern or kerr dont score who will
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 09, 2023, 03:31:44 PM
Gilmore is probably our most natural finisher, I suppose we would be hoping for Savage to step up next season after a good u20s campaign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on June 09, 2023, 11:03:07 PM
Huge victory this evening for Bredagh. I still believe Bryansford stay up but they are not making it easy for themselves
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 10, 2023, 09:12:19 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on June 09, 2023, 11:03:07 PM
Huge victory this evening for Bredagh. I still believe Bryansford stay up but they are not making it easy for themselves
What makes you say that? This could well go to the last game of the season between us and Bryansford to do that, but time will tell. The bottom three have only won three games between them, all against each other, but I do expect a few scrappy wins against others in the second half of the season. Long long squeeky bum time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on June 10, 2023, 09:19:34 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 10, 2023, 09:12:19 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on June 09, 2023, 11:03:07 PM
Huge victory this evening for Bredagh. I still believe Bryansford stay up but they are not making it easy for themselves
What makes you say that? This could well go to the last game of the season between us and Bryansford to do that, but time will tell. The bottom three have only won three games between them, all against each other, but I do expect a few scrappy wins against others in the second half of the season. Long long squeeky bum time.

It very well could go down to the last day certainly. I just picked the Ford as they seemed to be a lot closer scorewise in their games to the teams further up the league, but that being said they haven't won a game yet either. So Bredagh could very well pip them. In any case, it is going to make for a very entertaining second half of the season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on June 10, 2023, 07:59:27 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on June 09, 2023, 02:10:24 PM
Team for Longford

Kane
Doherty
Laverty
McCarthy
Collins
Magill
Guinness
Annett
Murdock
Doherty
McAleenan
Kerr
Gilmore
Havern
Branagan


Very small forwards.  Is Havern the only one that's 6'?

Tbh not tall in any part of the team.

Unusual in the modern game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 10, 2023, 09:56:58 PM
Game of two halfs tonight, first half was poor and Longford should've had a couple more goals, 3 points behind at half time flattered Down. Second half was much improved from the first, after the goal Down took control helped by the introductions of Ross carr, Rory mason and Danny magill who all made big difference.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 11, 2023, 09:47:00 AM
Hoping to avoid Cavan in the next round. Down have had a lot of poor 1st half's this year. A 1st half like that against a cavan they would be out of sight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on June 11, 2023, 11:59:41 AM
Youde be happy enough coming to Corrigan Pk?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 11, 2023, 12:15:11 PM
I'd take Cavan over Antrim personally. I was in Newry for the league game between Down and Antrim and we robbed the 2 points that evening.

I've been keeping an eye on Antrim since then and their final league position I felt didn't reflect their  quality. They look to have embraced the TC and their results have been impressive.

Cavan have had a key player leave the panel, they had a relatively easy group but struggled v Laois and haven't been as convincing as you would expect a team with div 2 status for next year secured to be.

It's only a hunch, but I'd like to avoid Antrim I can see them winning the next game at Corrigan Park.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 11, 2023, 12:35:57 PM
Quote from: bannside on June 11, 2023, 11:59:41 AM
Youde be happy enough coming to Corrigan Pk?
I'd be happy enough cos it's closer than Cavan or Limerick 😂 if it was the case it would definitely be a close match, Antrim should've won the league game in Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 12, 2023, 08:42:29 AM
Down drawn away to Cavan next weekend in quarter final
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ciaron08 on June 12, 2023, 11:14:47 AM
I know we don't have the quality forwards like we used to but i think its the other end of the field where we struggle, Kane in nets is almost certain to give a goal away every game, Charlie Smith came in up in Newry and played well and i dont see why he should have been dropped, Lets be honest if Kane wasnt from Kilcoo he wouldnt be starting every game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 12, 2023, 11:30:31 AM
Why are so many reserve fixture being conceded ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on June 12, 2023, 11:52:32 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 12, 2023, 11:30:31 AM
Why are so many reserve fixture being conceded ?

We have never been able to get the right day/ time for reserve football. We need reserve football to keep on board those players who want to play and get occasional senior game time but it's too easy then to opt out when you couldn't be bothered to go to the other end of the county on a sat evening or Sunday afternoon. No easy answer. This weekend we had combination of brilliant weather, Slane, Belsonic CL final as distractions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on June 13, 2023, 03:49:16 PM
Quote from: Godsown on June 12, 2023, 11:52:32 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 12, 2023, 11:30:31 AM
Why are so many reserve fixture being conceded ?

We have never been able to get the right day/ time for reserve football. We need reserve football to keep on board those players who want to play and get occasional senior game time but it's too easy then to opt out when you couldn't be bothered to go to the other end of the county on a sat evening or Sunday afternoon. No easy answer. This weekend we had combination of brilliant weather, Slane, Belsonic CL final as distractions.

Interestingly the genuine efforts to try to ensure teams field might have been counterproductive. Teams changing times and days , & 13 a side particularly. The game is intensive enough at 15 a side , but for less fit players to have to work harder and exposed to more space and pace,  at 13 a side is unattractive to many.
Ironically we've found it easier to field 15 this year than we did 13 last year . The cccc are excellent in looking at all options and providing competitive leagues. Having tried different times/days , I'm sure they'll know which time results in least DNFs
Many
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 13, 2023, 05:57:03 PM
Our 2s game against the point off tonight.. Holidays and injuries mean they aren't able to field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on June 14, 2023, 07:23:49 AM
The Derry Leagues have 2nds games immediately before the 1st's - would this work in down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 14, 2023, 08:56:08 AM
Quote from: general on June 14, 2023, 07:23:49 AM
The Derry Leagues have 2nds games immediately before the 1st's - would this work in down?

Don't think it's a practical solution on a Friday evening.

—-

Like one of the earlier posters I'd commend how flexible County Board are at trying ways, methods, means to ensure seconds football keeps going.

The Tailteann Cup's presence on Saturdays has added a challenge to the Saturday at 5pm slot, which they could have done without. But I'm still a fan of Saturdays. My experience from the past is that the current spell of weather would have decimated a Sunday programme, with both family men on days out and younger players on the lash, relegating their football priorities.

Anyhow the solution to DNFs isn't down to the day of the week. It's a cultural issue that fellas who train with senior football would prefer to be subs on a Friday night than starters for a reserve team. I'll never understand that culture myself, but it seems to be a national issue rather than one particular to Down football.

The bigger clubs suffer less from it. Panel size is no doubt a factor here... but it's also a cultural thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 14, 2023, 09:02:25 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 14, 2023, 08:56:08 AM
Quote from: general on June 14, 2023, 07:23:49 AM
The Derry Leagues have 2nds games immediately before the 1st's - would this work in down?

Don't think it's a practical solution on a Friday evening.

—-

Like one of the earlier posters I'd commend how flexible County Board are at trying ways, methods, means to ensure seconds football keeps going.

The Tailteann Cup's presence on Saturdays has added a challenge to the Saturday at 5pm slot, which they could have done without. But I'm still a fan of Saturdays. My experience from the past is that the current spell of weather would have decimated a Sunday programme, with both family men on days out and younger players on the lash, relegating their football priorities.

Anyhow the solution to DNFs isn't down to the day of the week. It's a cultural issue that fellas who train with senior football would prefer to be subs on a Friday night than starters for a reserve team. I'll never understand that culture myself, but it seems to be a national issue rather than one particular to Down football.

The bigger clubs suffer less from it. Panel size is no doubt a factor here... but it's also a cultural thing.

Jaysus lads. Plenty of Derry reserve matches on a Sunday and they get fulfilled. If theres a stag/wedding usually changed to midweek.

Now thats not to say our league is perfect - far from it. Bigger clubs use to to play fringe players throughout as the league table indicates.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on June 14, 2023, 09:36:39 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 14, 2023, 08:56:08 AM
Quote from: general on June 14, 2023, 07:23:49 AM
The Derry Leagues have 2nds games immediately before the 1st's - would this work in down?

Don't think it's a practical solution on a Friday evening.

—-

Like one of the earlier posters I'd commend how flexible County Board are at trying ways, methods, means to ensure seconds football keeps going.

The Tailteann Cup's presence on Saturdays has added a challenge to the Saturday at 5pm slot, which they could have done without. But I'm still a fan of Saturdays. My experience from the past is that the current spell of weather would have decimated a Sunday programme, with both family men on days out and younger players on the lash, relegating their football priorities.

Anyhow the solution to DNFs isn't down to the day of the week. It's a cultural issue that fellas who train with senior football would prefer to be subs on a Friday night than starters for a reserve team. I'll never understand that culture myself, but it seems to be a national issue rather than one particular to Down football.

The bigger clubs suffer less from it. Panel size is no doubt a factor here... but it's also a cultural thing.
Would agree with that.  We have a culture in our club where the reserve team is frowned upon, you will have a load of lads training Tuesday and then cant play on Wednesday night for some reason then don't get any minutes on a Friday/Sunday don't buy the logic at all surely you train to play a match. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on June 16, 2023, 11:53:20 AM
A win tomorrow, however that be, would show clear signs of progress. Alot of players got lost in the championship pace agaisnt armagh. First proper knockout game for the team and some players to redeem themsleves. Hope we can get over the line, if so a day out in croke park and a real chance to get into a final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on June 16, 2023, 05:26:25 PM
Team for tomorrow;

Kane
A Doherty
Laverty
McCarthy
Rooney
C Doherty
P Branagan
Guinness
Murdock
Kerr
McAleenan
D Magill
E Branagan
Havern
R Johnson
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on June 17, 2023, 06:02:44 PM
Down better team so far, but horrendously defensive game; only one contested kick-out in 1st half. A rule change to disincentivise defensive tactics is desperately needed (even worse at club level, endless hand-passing around the 45). Great save by Kane, might have been a turning point
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 17, 2023, 06:50:19 PM
That was good from Down. Really good.

Playing to their strengths and playing together.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on June 17, 2023, 08:54:58 PM
Is Tailteann final down for before one of the AI semi finals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on June 17, 2023, 09:00:34 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 17, 2023, 08:54:58 PM
Is Tailteann final down for before one of the AI semi finals?

Scheduled for 15/16 July.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 17, 2023, 09:22:24 PM
Not long back from breffini,  those roads never get better lol. Brilliant performance from Down, defended well and always looked dangerous on the break, probably the best performance of the year, credit to players and management

Maybe that result will keep a few on here quiet for a while, I'd say if we had've got beat the usual suspects would already have been on here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on June 17, 2023, 09:47:09 PM
Good performance today.
I found it strange though that the bookies fancied cavan. They are not great. Down dealt with them handy enough.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on June 17, 2023, 09:52:24 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 17, 2023, 09:22:24 PM
Not long back from breffini,  those roads never get better lol. Brilliant performance from Down, defended well and always looked dangerous on the break, probably the best performance of the year, credit to players and management

Maybe that result will keep a few on here quiet for a while, I'd say if we had've got beat the usual suspects would already have been on here.

Great win.

Those that issue insults on this thread are on their last chances, by the way.  Next insult will be their last, with usernames and ip addresses getting banned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Seandoc on June 17, 2023, 11:04:37 PM
Really great game today, played in good conditions with high standard of football from both teams.
Down players deserve a lot of credit, they shipped a lot of abuse after Armagh game, but showed today they have the abilty to compete at a high level. Far and away better team on the day and fully deserved their win.
Credit has to go to management team as well, the players are clearly well coached and are committed to the cause.
After watching Cavan beat Down 4 times on trot when we could or should have won 2 of those games it was great to see us finally get over the line today.
Thought the defence were excellent, special mentions for Mason, Magill, and Guinness. Also have a real abilty as a team to counter at pace, Armagh dealt effectively with that threat by constantly fouling in the Down half, Cavan thankfully didn't follow their example.
One concern would still be kickout, if Cavan had pushed up from outset then might have been different outcome, they will probably regret that in hindsight. Also wonder how this team would deal against a team which doesn't allow them space they had today.
Lastly very strange to hear boos from albeit minority of Cavan fans at both the Down team and the officials, disappointing to say the least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 18, 2023, 07:33:43 AM
Down put in a 70 minute shift yesterday and got the reward. Some outstanding performances, Rory Mason was the standout, he was everywhere. Great day in Breffni, this Down team are evolving despite what anyone thinks. Roll on Croke pk next Sunday. Talk is we avoid Meath as already played?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 18, 2023, 11:42:35 AM
Downs best performance this year easily. Mason was the standout performer, McCarthy in corner back looks future all star material, he was excellent.

McEvoy off the bench done well coming in. Cavan are a dogged experienced team, who have probably peaked, Down have so much more potential, we kept rotating the ff very cleverly between Murdock, Havern and a couple of times Patrick Branagan.
Danny Magill got his opportunity v Offaly and has taken it, Mason the same more recently, a fully fit OHAGAN would be massive next year.

The Tailtain cup has been perfect for Down this year, bar the blip v Meath every game we are improving. I still don't think that's our best 15, with everyone fit, Danny Magill, Mooney, Barry O'Hagan, McPartland,  James Guinness, Finn McElroy we are developing a strong squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 18, 2023, 12:20:58 PM
Some show put on yesterday evening. Laverty and go deserve great credit as Mason left the panel to get football with his club - was playing really well for them and was drafted back in and the last game and 1/2 has been outstanding.  Paddy McCarthy had a stinker in an earlier league game but they have worked with him and the last two games he has been unreal.. Management that can recognise a player needing game time and still not shutting the door on them deserve commendation.. Ryan Johnston was outstanding and we are an unbelievable team when he plays.. can't wait to see murdock et al in Croke park next weekend..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on June 18, 2023, 01:00:46 PM
Yeah Jonnyboys I agree with summary. This team has had a few defeats this year but they seem to learn quickly from them which is a good trait. I wasn't excited about this tailteann cup but to tbh it is what we need  now, we are moving upwards and I think we will be in better position to compete with the bigger teams next year and on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 19, 2023, 09:41:01 AM
Down v Laois in the semi final next weekend in croke park, hopefully a good crowd gets down to Dublin to support the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on June 19, 2023, 10:12:54 AM
A great win, and a brilliant performance to go along with it. A balanced team that works hard and a few players capable of moments of magic. Wide open spaces of Croke Park should suit this team. 2 matches away from silverware. Would be a good end to a bumpy season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Laoiseabu on June 19, 2023, 02:30:24 PM
Does Barry OHagan not play with Down anymore ? Also will Niall McParland be fit for this weekend ? Looking from the outside in the Kilcoo lads seem to have strengthened up the Down panel this year . As a Laois man we would be very worried about the pace and direct running of Down in the wide open spaces of croke park
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on June 19, 2023, 02:35:34 PM
Quote from: Laoiseabu on June 19, 2023, 02:30:24 PM
Does Barry OHagan not play with Down anymore ? Also will Niall McParland be fit for this weekend ? Looking from the outside in the Kilcoo lads seem to have strengthened up the Down panel this year . As a Laois man we would be very worried about the pace and direct running of Down in the wide open spaces of croke park
Did the cruciate. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 19, 2023, 03:36:30 PM
Quote from: Laoiseabu on June 19, 2023, 02:30:24 PM
Does Barry OHagan not play with Down anymore ? Also will Niall McParland be fit for this weekend ? Looking from the outside in the Kilcoo lads seem to have strengthened up the Down panel this year . As a Laois man we would be very worried about the pace and direct running of Down in the wide open spaces of croke park
Barry OHagan got bad cruciate injury in an early league game and is out for the foreseeable, Niall Mcparland hasn't played since the Armagh game, he won't be involved either, again through injury. Down will definitely be hoping to avail of any space and attack with pace. Laois seemed to have picked in the last few weeks, beating Fermanagh was definitely a shock.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 19, 2023, 07:16:06 PM
 Friday's League fixtures probably being moved to
Monday due to Tailteann game on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 20, 2023, 08:56:57 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 19, 2023, 07:16:06 PM
Friday's League fixtures probably being moved to
Monday due to Tailteann game on Sunday.

Looks like they're moved - Reserves games probably be moved to the Friday now give players the weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 20, 2023, 09:09:21 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 20, 2023, 08:56:57 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 19, 2023, 07:16:06 PM
Friday's League fixtures probably being moved to
Monday due to Tailteann game on Sunday.

Looks like they're moved - Reserves games probably be moved to the Friday now give players the weekend
Reserve games scheduled for Sun 2pm are now Saturday 2pm
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 20, 2023, 09:10:44 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 20, 2023, 09:09:21 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 20, 2023, 08:56:57 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 19, 2023, 07:16:06 PM
Friday's League fixtures probably being moved to
Monday due to Tailteann game on Sunday.

Looks like they're moved - Reserves games probably be moved to the Friday now give players the weekend
Reserve games scheduled for Sun 2pm are now Saturday 2pm
Minor matches scheduled for Monday moved to Friday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on June 21, 2023, 10:54:05 AM
Intersting to see if a few Kilcoo men will be rested against Laois, Big Game Monday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 21, 2023, 12:46:14 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on June 21, 2023, 10:54:05 AM
Intersting to see if a few Kilcoo men will be rested against Laois, Big Game Monday

Rent free, grow up please
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on June 21, 2023, 03:47:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 21, 2023, 12:46:14 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on June 21, 2023, 10:54:05 AM
Intersting to see if a few Kilcoo men will be rested against Laois, Big Game Monday

Rent free, grow up please
Rent free?
Title: Division 4
Post by: No1 on June 23, 2023, 09:15:42 AM
Can anyone tell me what happens in Div 4 after tonight's fixtures?  I believe the league splits into top six and bottom six.  Does that mean each club then has 5 more league fixtures or 10?  Or does the split have some relevance to the JFC?

Yes, I have asked our committee and I'm none the wiser!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 23, 2023, 02:34:42 PM
Down have named the same 1st 15, that they named v Cavan. Mason came in for McAleenan last week, I'd expect the same to happen again.

Shane Annett and Ryan McEvoy impressed when introduced last week, I wouldn't be suprised if either or both nudged their way in for a start.
Title: Re: Division 4
Post by: manwithnoplan on June 23, 2023, 05:46:16 PM
Quote from: No1 on June 23, 2023, 09:15:42 AM
Can anyone tell me what happens in Div 4 after tonight's fixtures?  I believe the league splits into top six and bottom six.  Does that mean each club then has 5 more league fixtures or 10?  Or does the split have some relevance to the JFC?

Yes, I have asked our committee and I'm none the wiser!!

Teams in each section play one more round of games against eachother, meaning 16 league games played in total. Not sure if there is any bearing on the championship though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on June 23, 2023, 08:04:29 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 23, 2023, 02:34:42 PM
Down have named the same 1st 15, that they named v Cavan. Mason came in for McAleenan last week, I'd expect the same to happen again.

Shane Annett and Ryan McEvoy impressed when introduced last week, I wouldn't be suprised if either or both nudged their way in for a start.
McEvoy should definitely be starting
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 23, 2023, 08:06:50 PM
I'd like to see him in midfield alongside Murdock, could be the makings of a good partnership. In reality he could play in any position on the field and do really well.
Title: Re: Division 4
Post by: Mourne Red on June 23, 2023, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on June 23, 2023, 05:46:16 PM
Quote from: No1 on June 23, 2023, 09:15:42 AM
Can anyone tell me what happens in Div 4 after tonight's fixtures?  I believe the league splits into top six and bottom six.  Does that mean each club then has 5 more league fixtures or 10?  Or does the split have some relevance to the JFC?

Yes, I have asked our committee and I'm none the wiser!!

Teams in each section play one more round of games against eachother, meaning 16 league games played in total. Not sure if there is any bearing on the championship though.

No bearing on championship just split in half like MVNP says and play each other once
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 24, 2023, 10:38:15 PM
Good luck to the players and management tomorrow, hopefully good Down following down to cheer them on. Down by 5 for me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Laoiseabu on June 25, 2023, 12:54:53 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on June 24, 2023, 10:38:15 PM
Good luck to the players and management tomorrow, hopefully good Down following down to cheer them on. Down by 5 for me

You beat Cavan by 5 so you should be beating Laois by at least 10 especially in Croker that's the way I look at it .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 25, 2023, 07:57:44 AM
Down haven't won in croke pk since the all Ireland semi in 2010.  Ould be a shaky enough fame. Bar the kilcoo lads has any of the others played there?  Damp morning in Dublin. Looking forward to it. Hopefully Down turn up. Wide open pitch should suit the breaking at pace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 25, 2023, 05:16:16 PM
Might need to split Down in 2 way we're playing today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 25, 2023, 05:24:44 PM
Our anti-everything contributors are going to be living on diet of scraps for today at least.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on June 25, 2023, 05:47:20 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 25, 2023, 05:24:44 PM
Our anti-everything contributors are going to be living on diet of scraps for today at least.
Can't believe we gave up 2-12 against a Div 4 team......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 25, 2023, 08:19:52 PM
Tailteann cup may have it's knockers but it's great to see Down back in Croke park, great to see the crowds back following the team and especially great to see a performance like that, granted Laois made it easy for us but you can only play the match as it is and players put on a brilliant display of attacking football, Connor will probably be disappointed we coughed up a few scores at the end but the match was long over at that stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 25, 2023, 09:46:37 PM
Fantastic. Just unbelievable.. Kilcoo players looked completely at home out there. Competitive panel now for the next three weeks of training with lots of lads chomping at the bit to get playing in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on June 25, 2023, 10:25:57 PM
Congrats to team, seen a win coming but not by that margin, however when you combine pace , good handling, unselfishness and cynical finishing you can run up a score like that. I know people will say Laois were poor and they were to be fair but you can only beat what's put in front of you.
So it's back down the Dublin Road in three weeks, hope all players stay sound, was at the 1991 final and I hope we get same result.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 25, 2023, 10:29:24 PM
Brilliant performance. There could've had a few more goals too. Great to be back on croke pk. Meath will be tougher opposition. What way will the tickets work. This could potentially.be paired with an all Ireland semi final of Dublin v Kerry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Betsy Gray on June 25, 2023, 10:35:56 PM
Great performance against what turned out to be a poor Laois team. I expected them to be better.

On another note, I would like the Down County Board to lodge a complaint with the GAA about the treatment of supporters in croke park today. Everyone crammed into the lower hogan. At best a very unpleasant experience. At worst a dangerous experience. It was very clear they did not have sufficient sections of the stadium open to cope with the crowd. Going into the ground was also a shambles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on June 26, 2023, 06:38:21 AM
They wanted to keep everyone in sane area for atmosphere, but surely they could still have done that by issuing seat numbers. The queue for ladies toilets and the foid/shops were big.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on June 26, 2023, 07:34:07 AM
What a performance. Croke park pitch suits these players down to the ground. Will hopefully be a great final. Unfortunately will be in Benamaldena for the final so hoping and praying one of the Irish bars can get RTE so that we can watch the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 26, 2023, 07:45:51 AM
We have a few players that have been our better players in the team for the last five to six years that didn't play yesterday mostly due to injury. Just wondering what people think, Would Caolan Mooney, Niall McParland, Jerome Johnston, Barry O'Hagan improve that team (I've missed a couple haven't I)?

I'm thinking particularly of Mooney. He has probably been our best player for about five years but in a team that could never make the best use of his talents and a team that frankly never really looked enthused to be playing. Laverty has really made this team look like they want to be there and that they believe in the plan. Could we finally get the best value out of Mooney's abilities in this team?

Or do you think we should move forward with the players we have now that have got us this far and not be looking backwards to players pushing into their 30s?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on June 26, 2023, 07:50:21 AM
I think these players could offer something next year but it depends on these players themselves I.e how much work they do, how fit they are and how much do they really want it. They definitely can offer something if they stick these boxes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on June 26, 2023, 09:33:16 AM
Great performance from Down, albeit this is the worst Laois team I've ever seen. The players mentioned above were stand out players in a very weak Down team not sure if they would anything this current crop. Its clear the  manager is building a new team around the 3 stand out players from Burren. Meath were very poor again so its Down's to lose. Great competition BTW...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on June 26, 2023, 10:57:43 AM
Great result and you can only beat what's in front of you but Laois were dreadful!  Can't really see any of the players you mentioned getting into the current team with the exception of O'Hagan.  I would have concerns about the lack of physicality though.  However the sheer pace and movement of the smaller guys will trouble any team.  Shout out to Conor Lav and a few of the players (Danny Magill, Daniel Guinness & Ryan McEvoy) who remained along the line well after the final whistle and were happy to sign jerseys and get photos with the kids.  That's what it is all about and yesterday was a great opportunity to do that in a sparsely populated stadium.  The kids were on cloud 9 on the way home.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on June 26, 2023, 12:23:37 PM
I think a bonus to this year's panel has been the versatility of players and the strength of the panel. Players all playing a part in the panel and boys sticking around all year even with minimal playing time. Mooney, Mc Parland, O Hagan, and Donnelly are good to have within the panel for experience. Some games will suit/need players of different sorts. If that panel could stay together and add a few of the 20 stars, we could challenge for something in the next couple of years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on June 26, 2023, 12:25:56 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 26, 2023, 07:45:51 AM
We have a few players that have been our better players in the team for the last five to six years that didn't play yesterday mostly due to injury. Just wondering what people think, Would Caolan Mooney, Niall McParland, Jerome Johnston, Barry O'Hagan improve that team (I've missed a couple haven't I)?

I'm thinking particularly of Mooney. He has probably been our best player for about five years but in a team that could never make the best use of his talents and a team that frankly never really looked enthused to be playing. Laverty has really made this team look like they want to be there and that they believe in the plan. Could we finally get the best value out of Mooney's abilities in this team?

Or do you think we should move forward with the players we have now that have got us this far and not be looking backwards to players pushing into their 30s?

Mooney was Down's best player in five minute bursts here and there.

As illuminating and electrifying as those bursts were, he was nowhere close to being Down's best player in any year he played for the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on June 26, 2023, 12:44:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 26, 2023, 12:25:56 PM

Mooney was Down's best player in five minute bursts here and there.

As illuminating and electrifying as those bursts were, he was nowhere close to being Down's best player in any year he played for the county.

Well, that's a fair comment about Mooney. He was always like that, even as far back as St Colman's. There was a lot of time you wouldn't even know he was on the pitch, then suddenly he'd score a goal and a few points in five minutes. But that could be the winning of the game.

Now I get what you are saying, but his five minute performances were often something that no one else could do. As you say he was the best player for five minute bursts but at least when those bursts came along they were the best minutes anyone on the team played.

So could Laverty perhaps get work rate out of him and increase those bursts? Even perhaps an impact sub?

If it's just workrate that's the problem and not talent then it would be pity to through the baby out with the bathwater, no?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on June 26, 2023, 01:23:00 PM
He'd be a good man to organise a session when the Grand National comes around! Time to move on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on June 26, 2023, 08:28:26 PM
Jimmy still winning matches  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 26, 2023, 09:42:06 PM
Great win for us tonight against Clonduff, mind you was very nervy at the end but we got there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 27, 2023, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on June 26, 2023, 09:42:06 PM
Great win for us tonight against Clonduff, mind you was very nervy at the end but we got there.

Great result for you

Some strange results last night

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on June 27, 2023, 11:09:11 AM
The annual Kilcoo Burren boxing match not take place last night? Laverty must be doing some job alright! ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 27, 2023, 11:37:58 AM
Quote from: statto on June 27, 2023, 11:09:11 AM
The annual Kilcoo Burren boxing match not take place last night? Laverty must be doing some job alright! ;D

Both teams were short. Kilcoo, as usual, had too much for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on June 27, 2023, 11:55:55 AM
Quote from: statto on June 27, 2023, 11:09:11 AM
The annual Kilcoo Burren boxing match not take place last night? Laverty must be doing some job alright! ;D

At least 3 video cameras pointed at the game might have contributed to the lack of boxing as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Laoiseabu on June 27, 2023, 01:09:30 PM
Would Burren in the coming years have a team that will be capable of challenging Kilcoo ? Looking through the Down Senior and U20 panels there seems to be a decent contingent of Burren representatives
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 27, 2023, 01:58:01 PM
Quote from: Laoiseabu on June 27, 2023, 01:09:30 PM
Would Burren in the coming years have a team that will be capable of challenging Kilcoo ? Looking through the Down Senior and U20 panels there seems to be a decent contingent of Burren representatives

Burren have had a team coming for years
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on June 27, 2023, 02:57:26 PM
 What happened the St John's v Darragh Cross game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on June 27, 2023, 04:58:26 PM
Ref was threatened at HT apparently and walked off. Can't blame him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on June 27, 2023, 07:19:10 PM
Quote from: Laoiseabu on June 27, 2023, 01:09:30 PM
Would Burren in the coming years have a team that will be capable of challenging Kilcoo ? Looking through the Down Senior and U20 panels there seems to be a decent contingent of Burren representatives
Burren have a lot talent coming through, they've had a couple of very successful underage teams recently and they would have a team capable of challenging kilcoo now. In the coming years Burren will be disappointed if they aren't at the top table again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 27, 2023, 07:45:32 PM
Some very tasty draws in the Senior Championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on June 27, 2023, 09:16:28 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2023, 07:45:32 PM
Some very tasty draws in the Senior Championship
CPN v Burren I can see only 1 winner here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on June 27, 2023, 09:16:38 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2023, 07:45:32 PM
Some very tasty draws in the Senior Championship

It's not really championship tho until the back door crap is over - those beat in Round one won't be too bothered..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on June 27, 2023, 09:17:48 PM
Senior
LONGSTONE V CASTLEWELLAN
GLENN V SAVAL
BREDAGH V CLONDUFF
BALLYHOLLAND V LOUGHINISLAND
SAUL V RGU DOWNPATRICK
MAYOBRIDGE V BRYANSFORD
CARRYDUFF V KILCOO
WARRENPOINT V BURREN

Intermed
NEWRY SHAMROCKS V AUGHLISNAFIN
ST PAUL'S V DARRAGH CROSS
ST JOHN BOSCO V TECONNAUGHT
BALLYMARTIN V ATTICALL
ANNACLONE V ST JOHN'S
DRUMGATH V ROSTREVOR
CLANN NA BANNA V LIATROIM.
AN RIOCHT VTULLYLISH

Junior
GROUP1
KILCLIEF V DUNDRUM
AGHADERG V ST MICHAEL's
G2
DROMARA V DRUMANESS
East Belfast
G3
BRIGHT V GLASDRUMMAN
ARDGLASS

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 27, 2023, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2023, 07:45:32 PM
Some very tasty draws in the Senior Championship
Can you post the SFC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 27, 2023, 09:28:30 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 27, 2023, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2023, 07:45:32 PM
Some very tasty draws in the Senior Championship
Can you post the SFC?

Longstone v Castlewellan
Glenn v Saval
Bredagh v Clonduff
Ballyholland v Loughinisland
Saul v RGU
Mayobridge v Bryansford
Carryduff v Kilcoo
Warrenpoint v Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on June 27, 2023, 10:42:59 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2023, 09:28:30 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 27, 2023, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2023, 07:45:32 PM
Some very tasty draws in the Senior Championship
Can you post the SFC?

Longstone v Castlewellan
Glenn v Saval
Bredagh v Clonduff
Ballyholland v Loughinisland
Saul v RGU
Mayobridge v Bryansford
Carryduff v Kilcoo
Warrenpoint v Burren
Pesky neighbours
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on June 28, 2023, 05:55:55 AM
Quote from: urbangael on June 27, 2023, 04:58:26 PM
Ref was threatened at HT apparently and walked off. Can't blame him.
This is a disgrace; we urgently need a total culture change, treat our refs the way rugby refs are treated
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on June 28, 2023, 08:32:30 AM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on June 27, 2023, 09:16:28 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2023, 07:45:32 PM
Some very tasty draws in the Senior Championship
CPN v Burren I can see only 1 winner here
Is that not how it usually works?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 28, 2023, 09:20:24 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2023, 09:28:30 PM
Quote from: SamFever on June 27, 2023, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on June 27, 2023, 07:45:32 PM
Some very tasty draws in the Senior Championship
Can you post the SFC?

Longstone v Castlewellan
Glenn v Saval
Bredagh v Clonduff
Ballyholland v Loughinisland
Saul v RGU
Mayobridge v Bryansford
Carryduff v Kilcoo
Warrenpoint v Burren

Great games to look forward too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 28, 2023, 09:33:09 AM
The group nature of the JFC is an absolute farce.  Whoever came up with the format needs a boot in the hole.  Straight knockout would have been fine.  Could be playing until October.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 28, 2023, 09:43:01 AM
Quote from: No1 on June 28, 2023, 09:33:09 AM
The group nature of the JFC is an absolute farce.  Whoever came up with the format needs a boot in the hole.  Straight knockout would have been fine.  Could be playing until October.

What way is that set up? I tried to make sense of of it last night. 3 groups I'm assuming round Robin, so is it 3 winners and best 2nd team into semi finals or how is the structure?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 28, 2023, 09:43:48 AM
How many get out off the groups in the jfc? I presumed 2 from the group of 4, and the winner of the 2 groups of 3 qualified for the semis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on June 28, 2023, 10:37:14 AM
Top two teams in groups into quarter final. 3rd place in group 1 into quarter final.  3rd place teams in group 2 and 3 have a play off game to see who gets into quarter final.  Quarter finals pencilled in for September 16th.  We have a small panel and most of our boys play hurling and soccer.  In my opinion it's too much.  Teams in Div 4 will be sick of the sight of each other.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on June 28, 2023, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: urbangael on June 27, 2023, 04:58:26 PM
Ref was threatened at HT apparently and walked off. Can't blame him.

Genuinely surprised by the limited responses on this one. There will be no Championships running at all if they go on strike similar to the refs in Wexford. We've all complained about decisions here and there but having the ref threatened enough that they leave at half time, that's mental.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 28, 2023, 11:15:54 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on June 28, 2023, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: urbangael on June 27, 2023, 04:58:26 PM
Ref was threatened at HT apparently and walked off. Can't blame him.

Genuinely surprised by the limited responses on this one. There will be no Championships running at all if they go on strike similar to the refs in Wexford. We've all complained about decisions here and there but having the ref threatened enough that they leave at half time, that's mental.

If a ref is threatened, clubs should be forced to play all of their senior games away next season. That would be an effective deterrence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on June 28, 2023, 11:18:48 AM
What was the actual threat that was made?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 28, 2023, 11:56:05 AM
Quote from: No1 on June 28, 2023, 10:37:14 AM
Top two teams in groups into quarter final. 3rd place in group 1 into quarter final.  3rd place teams in group 2 and 3 have a play off game to see who gets into quarter final.  Quarter finals pencilled in for September 16th.  We have a small panel and most of our boys play hurling and soccer.  In my opinion it's too much.  Teams in Div 4 will be sick of the sight of each other.

That is  a ridiculous set up. Games just for the sake off it. It will dilute all sense of championship atmosphere.

There is actually a round Robin of 3 teams and no one is eliminated. Bizarre
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on June 28, 2023, 12:17:47 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 28, 2023, 11:56:05 AM
Quote from: No1 on June 28, 2023, 10:37:14 AM
Top two teams in groups into quarter final. 3rd place in group 1 into quarter final.  3rd place teams in group 2 and 3 have a play off game to see who gets into quarter final.  Quarter finals pencilled in for September 16th.  We have a small panel and most of our boys play hurling and soccer.  In my opinion it's too much.  Teams in Div 4 will be sick of the sight of each other.

That is  a ridiculous set up. Games just for the sake off it. It will dilute all sense of championship atmosphere.

There is actually a round Robin of 3 teams and no one is eliminated. Bizarre


The county board is unconcerned if it is not the senior or intermediate championship.

There is no money to be made below intermediate, so let's slap something together and hope for the best.

I respect the CCCC but sometimes its frustrating.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on June 28, 2023, 12:32:53 PM
Quote from: ardtole on June 28, 2023, 11:56:05 AM
Quote from: No1 on June 28, 2023, 10:37:14 AM
Top two teams in groups into quarter final. 3rd place in group 1 into quarter final.  3rd place teams in group 2 and 3 have a play off game to see who gets into quarter final.  Quarter finals pencilled in for September 16th.  We have a small panel and most of our boys play hurling and soccer.  In my opinion it's too much.  Teams in Div 4 will be sick of the sight of each other.

That is  a ridiculous set up. Games just for the sake off it. It will dilute all sense of championship atmosphere.

There is actually a round Robin of 3 teams and no one is eliminated. Bizarre

Looks like the round robin games are pencilled in for 3 consecutive weekends, with quarter finals the weekend after those finish. So between those weekends, that playoff game needs to be played midweek. Which means junior teams with often small panels, will play an extra game a few days after playing their third championship game, a few days before a quarter final. Farcical. The group of 4 teams looks to be the weakest group, but that third place team will go straight to the quarters, while other teams must play off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on June 28, 2023, 12:37:48 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on June 28, 2023, 11:15:54 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on June 28, 2023, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: urbangael on June 27, 2023, 04:58:26 PM
Ref was threatened at HT apparently and walked off. Can't blame him.

Genuinely surprised by the limited responses on this one. There will be no Championships running at all if they go on strike similar to the refs in Wexford. We've all complained about decisions here and there but having the ref threatened enough that they leave at half time, that's mental.

If a ref is threatened, clubs should be forced to play all of their senior games away next season. That would be an effective deterrence.

Clubs should be fined and banned from playing some fixtures. That affects league positions. Or depending on circumstance, banned from championship. The only way to stamp it out is to dish out an impactful punishment. Playing away games is not really much of a deterrent. It seems to be getting worse, people seem to forget that even of you have a senior panel of 30 and hundreds of members, nobody plays a match without a referee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on June 28, 2023, 02:42:42 PM
CCC were probably genuinely looking to give the JFC sides as many Championship games as they could, broadly in line with the IFC and JFC. But the format, while not completely meaningless, only eliminates two teams after the first phase of fixtures. With Division 4 having given 11 games and the two new split sections hosting an additional 5 games minimum, I'd say most JFC teams would have been happy with a straight knockout championship. Two preliminary round games to eliminate two teams then quarters, semis and final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 28, 2023, 03:18:31 PM
Would 2 groups of 5, with 4 meaningful games (bar a possible dead rubber game towards the end), with top 2 going through. Winner of each group plays runner up from other group in the semis.

A round robin group of 3 with no immediate elimination is like a go games blitz.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 28, 2023, 04:12:34 PM
The number of opinions and formats here shows exactly how hard it would be to a. Please everyone and b. Get the best suitable format i.e not many and not too few games. The number of teams in JFC doesn't lend itself to traditional formats unless you are looking straight knockout. Even then someone is going to have to play prelim etc. Our fixtures, structures and formats are generally pretty good in comparison to other counties. Let's not use this as another stick to beat CCC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on June 28, 2023, 05:06:09 PM
I'd generally agree with you. But what is going ahead is utter madness, though as someone mentioned earlier when you are in junior, you are somewhat of an afterthought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on June 28, 2023, 08:45:29 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 28, 2023, 04:12:34 PM
The number of opinions and formats here shows exactly how hard it would be to a. Please everyone and b. Get the best suitable format i.e not many and not too few games. The number of teams in JFC doesn't lend itself to traditional formats unless you are looking straight knockout. Even then someone is going to have to play prelim etc. Our fixtures, structures and formats are generally pretty good in comparison to other counties. Let's not use this as another stick to beat CCC.

Straight knockout with a preliminary round was done for many years without any problems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on June 28, 2023, 10:02:58 PM
Due to back door system in operation in Intermediate and Senior, the last few years the Junior has had to wait until R3 before it can get started with preliminary round and then QF aligning with the QF of the top 2 grades.
This has led to some clubs having maybe 1 game in 4 or 5 weeks
August is traditionally championship time yet for the last few years Junior has had to wait until September.
Maybe this year's format is an effort to try to combat that.
I think it would be much better to start it at same time as Senior and Intermediate and let it finish earlier.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on June 29, 2023, 10:00:09 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on June 28, 2023, 08:45:29 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 28, 2023, 04:12:34 PM
The number of opinions and formats here shows exactly how hard it would be to a. Please everyone and b. Get the best suitable format i.e not many and not too few games. The number of teams in JFC doesn't lend itself to traditional formats unless you are looking straight knockout. Even then someone is going to have to play prelim etc. Our fixtures, structures and formats are generally pretty good in comparison to other counties. Let's not use this as another stick to beat CCC.

Straight knockout with a preliminary round was done for many years without any problems.

That may be your opinion and no issue with that. But there has to be some reason they have veered away from that format this year. It would suggest it was not without problems or complaints.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on June 29, 2023, 10:15:18 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 29, 2023, 10:00:09 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on June 28, 2023, 08:45:29 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 28, 2023, 04:12:34 PM
The number of opinions and formats here shows exactly how hard it would be to a. Please everyone and b. Get the best suitable format i.e not many and not too few games. The number of teams in JFC doesn't lend itself to traditional formats unless you are looking straight knockout. Even then someone is going to have to play prelim etc. Our fixtures, structures and formats are generally pretty good in comparison to other counties. Let's not use this as another stick to beat CCC.

Straight knockout with a preliminary round was done for many years without any problems.

That may be your opinion and no issue with that. But there has to be some reason they have veered away from that format this year. It would suggest it was not without problems or complaints.

There was 10 teams in Div 4 and played each other twice when there was straight knockout.. This year league splits in 2 so only 15 games in league compared to the other leagues where they get 18 and back door system.

Say the round Robin is to give junior teams more games and not have league games being called off at the end of the year when the lower teams in the league are paying dead rubbers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on June 30, 2023, 08:15:25 AM
Quote from: supersub on June 29, 2023, 10:00:09 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on June 28, 2023, 08:45:29 PM
Quote from: supersub on June 28, 2023, 04:12:34 PM
The number of opinions and formats here shows exactly how hard it would be to a. Please everyone and b. Get the best suitable format i.e not many and not too few games. The number of teams in JFC doesn't lend itself to traditional formats unless you are looking straight knockout. Even then someone is going to have to play prelim etc. Our fixtures, structures and formats are generally pretty good in comparison to other counties. Let's not use this as another stick to beat CCC.

Straight knockout with a preliminary round was done for many years without any problems.

That may be your opinion and no issue with that. But there has to be some reason they have veered away from that format this year. It would suggest it was not without problems or complaints.

It isn't really an opinion, it's something I know from players and people involved in the JFC over the years. Each year there are 2/3 standout teams, the remainder have very little chance of winning it. So a one off game was always the most realistic chance they had of causing an upset. Now we'll see the favourites motor on through as they have a second chance after a bad day. Probably see a few extra one sided results too which do no favours for anyone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 03, 2023, 07:53:26 AM
Tailteann final in with the Dublin Monaghan semi final. Tickets will be scarce. Will Down and Meath get 10k each?  Will they be available  online  I wonder
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 03, 2023, 08:04:37 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 03, 2023, 07:53:26 AM
Tailteann final in with the Dublin Monaghan semi final. Tickets will be scarce. Will Down and Meath get 10k each?  Will they be available  online  I wonder

Where you reading this lad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 03, 2023, 08:11:17 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 03, 2023, 08:04:37 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 03, 2023, 07:53:26 AM
Tailteann final in with the Dublin Monaghan semi final. Tickets will be scarce. Will Down and Meath get 10k each?  Will they be available  online  I wonder

Where you reading this lad?
Rte and the indo.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0702/1392282-kerry-paired-with-derry-in-all-ireland-semi-finals/
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 03, 2023, 08:15:25 AM
Frig I thought they'd put you on with us as can only see 50k or so at it! Kerry don't really travel. You'll get 10k each I'd say for Tailteann if all ticket. Pretty sure last years semi was ticketmaster so youse can maybe get as many as youse want.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 03, 2023, 09:42:44 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 03, 2023, 08:15:25 AM
Frig I thought they'd put you on with us as can only see 50k or so at it! Kerry don't really travel. You'll get 10k each I'd say for Tailteann if all ticket. Pretty sure last years semi was ticketmaster so youse can maybe get as many as youse want.
It would've made more sense. To have kerry Derry on that day also. Prob the late throw in Tim for the semi stopped that. But they could've worked something. Gaa don't really do common sense though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on July 03, 2023, 10:58:04 AM
It's all been posted, seems to go on sale tomorrow at 10am
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clonian on July 04, 2023, 10:23:22 AM
Tickets have went pretty quick there, got 4 together but already limited tickets left. Wonder will there be more released during the week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 04, 2023, 03:09:48 PM
Quote from: clonian on July 04, 2023, 10:23:22 AM
Tickets have went pretty quick there, got 4 together but already limited tickets left. Wonder will there be more released during the week?
I'd say they're all gone. County board should be distributing between the clubs. I'm in Dublin and I got mine yesterday through the club here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on July 04, 2023, 03:38:40 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 04, 2023, 03:09:48 PM
Quote from: clonian on July 04, 2023, 10:23:22 AM
Tickets have went pretty quick there, got 4 together but already limited tickets left. Wonder will there be more released during the week?
I'd say they're all gone. County board should be distributing between the clubs. I'm in Dublin and I got mine yesterday through the club here.

Clubs had a link to share with members this morning, before the 10am general sale went live.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 04, 2023, 05:41:35 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on July 04, 2023, 03:38:40 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 04, 2023, 03:09:48 PM
Quote from: clonian on July 04, 2023, 10:23:22 AM
Tickets have went pretty quick there, got 4 together but already limited tickets left. Wonder will there be more released during the week?
I'd say they're all gone. County board should be distributing between the clubs. I'm in Dublin and I got mine yesterday through the club here.

Clubs had a link to share with members this morning, before the 10am general sale went live.

Only those who requested as such.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 04, 2023, 07:11:30 PM
Is ticketmaster sold out for Tailtean Cup final already?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 04, 2023, 07:30:11 PM
Yeah, and the Supervalu stores are sold out too. I can't believe they didn't leave the Dublin game until the Sunday and have our game as the curtain raiser to Kerry v Derry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 04, 2023, 07:32:43 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on July 04, 2023, 07:11:30 PM
Is ticketmaster sold out for Tailtean Cup final already?

Apparently so, seen few people on Twitter showing the stadium all greyed out. I thought £45 was a bit steep to be charging too, Monaghan supporters always travel well so probably bought up a good few too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 04, 2023, 07:58:41 PM
Quote from: ardtole on July 04, 2023, 07:30:11 PM
Yeah, and the Supervalu stores are sold out too. I can't believe they didn't leave the Dublin game until the Sunday and have our game as the curtain raiser to Kerry v Derry.

Even play Down Meath on the Sunday before us. Very strange.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 06, 2023, 01:49:26 PM
Apparently there was some rational that Kerry fans had been made to travel on a Saturday to a game for the quarter final and the top brass didn't think they should have to travel on a Saturday for two games in a row. Some vague idea that people might have to give up work to travel on Saturday but not necessarily on a Sunday.

I know, before anyone starts on me, I'm am not defending this decision. There is next to no sensible thinking here. We could have played our game on the Sunday and just switched with the junior championship final.

For by that, even playing the final at all alongside a semi final of the Sam is a further failure of the GAA to make this a seriously respected competition. I think we should have a finals weekend, over two days. Saturday play the Tailteann cup and Minor all-Ireland finals, maybe a third one if you need it to fill the stadium (perhaps the ladies final because that deserves to be promoted too). Sunday just let it be the Sam all-Ireland on it's own.

The reason for playing the big final on it's own is that there are always far more fans from both finalists than ever get tickets partly because some tickets are being given to two other counties who are in the minor final. And because of the very small allocation the fans of the minor finalists often miss out. 

So let every minor finalist fan see the match, let every Tailteann cup finalist see the match, and let both those finals be the prelude to the big match the next day. And if there is third match (to fill the stadium) then let the ladies game be promoted in front of a decent crowd.

The GAA say they want the Tailteann to be a respected tournament but then they treat it as a throwaway event.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on July 06, 2023, 01:58:05 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 06, 2023, 01:49:26 PM
Apparently there was some rational that Kerry fans had been made to travel on a Saturday to a game for the quarter final and the top brass didn't think they should have to travel on a Saturday for two games in a row. Some vague idea that people might have to give up work to travel on Saturday but not necessarily on a Sunday.

I know, before anyone starts on me, I'm am not defending this decision. There is next to no sensible thinking here. We could have played our game on the Sunday and just switched with the junior championship final.

For by that, even playing the final at all alongside a semi final of the Sam is a further failure of the GAA to make this a seriously respected competition. I think we should have a finals weekend, over two days. Saturday play the Tailteann cup and Minor all-Ireland finals, maybe a third one if you need it to fill the stadium (perhaps the ladies final because that deserves to be promoted too). Sunday just let it be the Sam all-Ireland on it's own.

The reason for playing the big final on it's own is that there are always far more fans from both finalists than ever get tickets partly because some tickets are being given to two other counties who are in the minor final. And because of the very small allocation the fans of the minor finalists often miss out. 

So let every minor finalist fan see the match, let every Tailteann cup finalist see the match, and let both those finals be the prelude to the big match the next day. And if there is third match (to fill the stadium) then let the ladies game be promoted in front of a decent crowd.

The GAA say they want the Tailteann to be a respected tournament but then they treat it as a throwaway event.

Ladies Finals Day is always a triple header in Croke Park, Senior, Intermediate and Junior. Junior Mens Final is the Sunday because both semi-finals are played two days before on the Friday. Agree though in regard to Minor Final it should be played in Croke Park in front of a big crowd.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 06, 2023, 02:46:21 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on July 06, 2023, 01:58:05 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 06, 2023, 01:49:26 PM
Apparently there was some rational that Kerry fans had been made to travel on a Saturday to a game for the quarter final and the top brass didn't think they should have to travel on a Saturday for two games in a row. Some vague idea that people might have to give up work to travel on Saturday but not necessarily on a Sunday.

I know, before anyone starts on me, I'm am not defending this decision. There is next to no sensible thinking here. We could have played our game on the Sunday and just switched with the junior championship final.

For by that, even playing the final at all alongside a semi final of the Sam is a further failure of the GAA to make this a seriously respected competition. I think we should have a finals weekend, over two days. Saturday play the Tailteann cup and Minor all-Ireland finals, maybe a third one if you need it to fill the stadium (perhaps the ladies final because that deserves to be promoted too). Sunday just let it be the Sam all-Ireland on it's own.

The reason for playing the big final on it's own is that there are always far more fans from both finalists than ever get tickets partly because some tickets are being given to two other counties who are in the minor final. And because of the very small allocation the fans of the minor finalists often miss out. 

So let every minor finalist fan see the match, let every Tailteann cup finalist see the match, and let both those finals be the prelude to the big match the next day. And if there is third match (to fill the stadium) then let the ladies game be promoted in front of a decent crowd.

The GAA say they want the Tailteann to be a respected tournament but then they treat it as a throwaway event.

Ladies Finals Day is always a triple header in Croke Park, Senior, Intermediate and Junior. Junior Mens Final is the Sunday because both semi-finals are played two days before on the Friday. Agree though in regard to Minor Final it should be played in Croke Park in front of a big crowd.

I get the theory of the three ladies finals together. To pull the senior ladies one out would promote that but then denigrate the others. It was just a thought on how to promote the ladies game, but obviously not if it meant reducing the resect for the other levels. 

But definitely a finals day for Tailteann, Minor and then another, perhaps the junior final. Or maybe a third match could be the Masters final. That would be a bit of craic, seeing stars of the last generation giving it another bash. And again, would promote that competition.

Wouldn't this all create a lovely lead up to the big match the next day on the Sunday.

Plus the format could be replicated for the Hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on July 06, 2023, 03:26:18 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 06, 2023, 02:46:21 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on July 06, 2023, 01:58:05 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 06, 2023, 01:49:26 PM
Apparently there was some rational that Kerry fans had been made to travel on a Saturday to a game for the quarter final and the top brass didn't think they should have to travel on a Saturday for two games in a row. Some vague idea that people might have to give up work to travel on Saturday but not necessarily on a Sunday.

I know, before anyone starts on me, I'm am not defending this decision. There is next to no sensible thinking here. We could have played our game on the Sunday and just switched with the junior championship final.

For by that, even playing the final at all alongside a semi final of the Sam is a further failure of the GAA to make this a seriously respected competition. I think we should have a finals weekend, over two days. Saturday play the Tailteann cup and Minor all-Ireland finals, maybe a third one if you need it to fill the stadium (perhaps the ladies final because that deserves to be promoted too). Sunday just let it be the Sam all-Ireland on it's own.

The reason for playing the big final on it's own is that there are always far more fans from both finalists than ever get tickets partly because some tickets are being given to two other counties who are in the minor final. And because of the very small allocation the fans of the minor finalists often miss out. 

So let every minor finalist fan see the match, let every Tailteann cup finalist see the match, and let both those finals be the prelude to the big match the next day. And if there is third match (to fill the stadium) then let the ladies game be promoted in front of a decent crowd.

The GAA say they want the Tailteann to be a respected tournament but then they treat it as a throwaway event.

Ladies Finals Day is always a triple header in Croke Park, Senior, Intermediate and Junior. Junior Mens Final is the Sunday because both semi-finals are played two days before on the Friday. Agree though in regard to Minor Final it should be played in Croke Park in front of a big crowd.

I get the theory of the three ladies finals together. To pull the senior ladies one out would promote that but then denigrate the others. It was just a thought on how to promote the ladies game, but obviously not if it meant reducing the resect for the other levels. 

But definitely a finals day for Tailteann, Minor and then another, perhaps the junior final. Or maybe a third match could be the Masters final. That would be a bit of craic, seeing stars of the last generation giving it another bash. And again, would promote that competition.

Wouldn't this all create a lovely lead up to the big match the next day on the Sunday.

Plus the format could be replicated for the Hurling.

A lot of the points you make are good and would make sense but the GAA hierarchy don't do 'common sense' so we have to expect irrational thinking.

The minor final should always be a showcase event on AI final day but as far as I know the last time that happened was 2018 - the most recent AI minor finals have been stand alone fixtures in provincial grounds. For eg; this Sunday the AI minor final is in Armagh AG

Secondly, the Masters is not a GAA affiliated competition for some reason unless that has changed in the last 12 months. It has never got the publicity it deserved, never pushed hard by the head honchos at Croke Park.  As you say, it could be part of finals weekend but obviously the GAA don't think so.

The fixture scheduling for the AI semi finals, the Tailteann Cup and the Junior final is another disaster by the GAA but they will have an obscure reason why they fixed it the way it has been done despite common sense dictating otherwise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on July 06, 2023, 04:17:33 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on July 06, 2023, 03:26:18 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 06, 2023, 02:46:21 PM
Quote from: meatsy86 on July 06, 2023, 01:58:05 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 06, 2023, 01:49:26 PM
Apparently there was some rational that Kerry fans had been made to travel on a Saturday to a game for the quarter final and the top brass didn't think they should have to travel on a Saturday for two games in a row. Some vague idea that people might have to give up work to travel on Saturday but not necessarily on a Sunday.

I know, before anyone starts on me, I'm am not defending this decision. There is next to no sensible thinking here. We could have played our game on the Sunday and just switched with the junior championship final.

For by that, even playing the final at all alongside a semi final of the Sam is a further failure of the GAA to make this a seriously respected competition. I think we should have a finals weekend, over two days. Saturday play the Tailteann cup and Minor all-Ireland finals, maybe a third one if you need it to fill the stadium (perhaps the ladies final because that deserves to be promoted too). Sunday just let it be the Sam all-Ireland on it's own.

The reason for playing the big final on it's own is that there are always far more fans from both finalists than ever get tickets partly because some tickets are being given to two other counties who are in the minor final. And because of the very small allocation the fans of the minor finalists often miss out. 

So let every minor finalist fan see the match, let every Tailteann cup finalist see the match, and let both those finals be the prelude to the big match the next day. And if there is third match (to fill the stadium) then let the ladies game be promoted in front of a decent crowd.

The GAA say they want the Tailteann to be a respected tournament but then they treat it as a throwaway event.

Ladies Finals Day is always a triple header in Croke Park, Senior, Intermediate and Junior. Junior Mens Final is the Sunday because both semi-finals are played two days before on the Friday. Agree though in regard to Minor Final it should be played in Croke Park in front of a big crowd.

I get the theory of the three ladies finals together. To pull the senior ladies one out would promote that but then denigrate the others. It was just a thought on how to promote the ladies game, but obviously not if it meant reducing the resect for the other levels. 

But definitely a finals day for Tailteann, Minor and then another, perhaps the junior final. Or maybe a third match could be the Masters final. That would be a bit of craic, seeing stars of the last generation giving it another bash. And again, would promote that competition.

Wouldn't this all create a lovely lead up to the big match the next day on the Sunday.

Plus the format could be replicated for the Hurling.

A lot of the points you make are good and would make sense but the GAA hierarchy don't do 'common sense' so we have to expect irrational thinking.

The minor final should always be a showcase event on AI final day but as far as I know the last time that happened was 2018 - the most recent AI minor finals have been stand alone fixtures in provincial grounds. For eg; this Sunday the AI minor final is in Armagh AG

Secondly, the Masters is not a GAA affiliated competition for some reason unless that has changed in the last 12 months. It has never got the publicity it deserved, never pushed hard by the head honchos at Croke Park.  As you say, it could be part of finals weekend but obviously the GAA don't think so.

The fixture scheduling for the AI semi finals, the Tailteann Cup and the Junior final is another disaster by the GAA but they will have an obscure reason why they fixed it the way it has been done despite common sense dictating otherwise.
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Have to laugh at all these posters worried about the scheduling of the TC final, and the importance of it. Its on a Saturday at 3, cause nobody outside the 2 finalist cares about it, viewing figures will be poor  and 80% of the crowd for the AISF won't be in for it with over a  hour between games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on July 06, 2023, 06:06:07 PM
But 80% of the crowd have the tickets that a lot of us want and cant get for the TC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 06, 2023, 06:14:48 PM
Lots of reason for the scheduling. Footballing and non footballing. As hard as it may be to fathom for some. The 'top brass' aren't out to get us or put us down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 06, 2023, 07:19:11 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 06, 2023, 06:14:48 PM
Lots of reason for the scheduling. Footballing and non footballing. As hard as it may be to fathom for some. The 'top brass' aren't out to get us or put us down.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that  the top brass are out to get us. But they have made a foolish error in their scheduling of this fixture.

The kerry v Derry game will be shown all over the world with barely 30,000 at it, if even that. Games in an empty Croke Park lack atmosphere and for an all ireland semi final that is not what you want to be showcasing.

Meath and Down would have brought a sizeable crowd to Croke Park for their final game of the season, both counties are reasonably close to Dublin, particularly
Meath and would have added considerably to the crowd for Derry and Kerry. I'd imagine the majority would have stayed on for the second game, if only to see Clifford up close, particularly if you had kids with you because he is the most box office player in Gaelic games at present.

Anyway the most important thing is we get the win, and qualify for the Sam Maguire round robin series next season. We were very impressive v Laois and Cavan, and the fact Meath beat Down already this year should avoid any complacency setting in after such a landslide victory.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 06, 2023, 09:19:10 PM
Quote from: ardtole on July 06, 2023, 07:19:11 PM
Quote from: supersub on July 06, 2023, 06:14:48 PM
Lots of reason for the scheduling. Footballing and non footballing. As hard as it may be to fathom for some. The 'top brass' aren't out to get us or put us down.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that  the top brass are out to get us. But they have made a foolish error in their scheduling of this fixture.

The kerry v Derry game will be shown all over the world with barely 30,000 at it, if even that. Games in an empty Croke Park lack atmosphere and for an all ireland semi final that is not what you want to be showcasing.

Meath and Down would have brought a sizeable crowd to Croke Park for their final game of the season, both counties are reasonably close to Dublin, particularly
Meath and would have added considerably to the crowd for Derry and Kerry. I'd imagine the majority would have stayed on for the second game, if only to see Clifford up close, particularly if you had kids with you because he is the most box office player in Gaelic games at present.

Anyway the most important thing is we get the win, and qualify for the Sam Maguire round robin series next season. We were very impressive v Laois and Cavan, and the fact Meath beat Down already this year should avoid any complacency setting in after such a landslide victory.

You are completely missing my point. There are other things to take into consideration when fixing games with such expected crowds. Non football or sport related things. Perhaps they were forced into this scheduling scenario. There's more to life (and Dublin) than the gaa!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 07, 2023, 08:05:08 AM
If there was an international rugby game on at the Aviva on Sunday, or a major event at the 3 arena on Sunday I'd agree, but Dublin is likelier to be more busy when the Dubs are playing on  Saturday evening than if they were playing on Sunday afternoon.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on July 07, 2023, 09:42:58 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on July 06, 2023, 06:06:07 PM
But 80% of the crowd have the tickets that a lot of us want and cant get for the TC
I Every one who asked for a ticket through the clubs got one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 07, 2023, 10:12:12 AM
How many have final tickets and haven't been to a game all year. I wonder did they get an allocation or were they just sent a link like I was the day before.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 07, 2023, 10:12:40 AM
The few people who are upset about not being able to purchase a family ticket haven't seen a game all year.

People love to complain, and if the game had been on a Sunday, the moaners would have wanted it to be on with Dublin for the terrific atmosphere the players would receive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: naka on July 07, 2023, 10:16:34 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 07, 2023, 10:12:40 AM
The few people who are upset about not being able to purchase a family ticket haven't seen a game all year.

People love to complain, and if the game had been on a Sunday, the moaners would have wanted it to be on with Dublin for the terrific atmosphere the players would receive.

agree with this
most down fans who are passionate about the team have tickets
a s an armagh man am friends with a fair  few who go to the league games and asked did they need any as i was content to pass mine to  genuine people  , everyone sorted.
indeed  some queued at supervalu in newry to get their tickets,. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 07, 2023, 03:08:28 PM
I've been to Thurles twice this year, Breffini Park, Croke Park, Newry a few times, Clones and Tullamore and as of yet I've no ticket.

I'm living in the south so in a lot of cases it's easier to get to the away fixtures. I'm still confident enough il pick a ticket up somewhere, but I was hoping to take my son with me but that I'd imagine is unlikely now.

I usually get my tickets through Supervalu, I'm not involved directly with my home club, bar buying the monthly draw ticket. I was working Tuesday when the tickets went on sale initially and didn't get the time to go online.

Hopefully we get a win next weekend anyway and il not be as complacent next year when we get to Croke Park.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 07, 2023, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: ardtole on July 07, 2023, 03:08:28 PM
I've been to Thurles twice this year, Breffini Park, Croke Park, Newry a few times, Clones and Tullamore and as of yet I've no ticket.

I'm living in the south so in a lot of cases it's easier to get to the away fixtures. I'm still confident enough il pick a ticket up somewhere, but I was hoping to take my son with me but that I'd imagine is unlikely now.

I usually get my tickets through Supervalu, I'm not involved directly with my home club, bar buying the monthly draw ticket. I was working Tuesday when the tickets went on sale initially and didn't get the time to go online.

Hopefully we get a win next weekend anyway and il not be as complacent next year when we get to Croke Park.

Have you tried the county office? I'm sure Sean Og or one of the admin staff would do their best to help you if you explained your position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 07, 2023, 04:29:01 PM
Quote from: ardtole on July 07, 2023, 03:08:28 PM
I've been to Thurles twice this year, Breffini Park, Croke Park, Newry a few times, Clones and Tullamore and as of yet I've no ticket.

I'm living in the south so in a lot of cases it's easier to get to the away fixtures. I'm still confident enough il pick a ticket up somewhere, but I was hoping to take my son with me but that I'd imagine is unlikely now.

I usually get my tickets through Supervalu, I'm not involved directly with my home club, bar buying the monthly draw ticket. I was working Tuesday when the tickets went on sale initially and didn't get the time to go online.

Hopefully we get a win next weekend anyway and il not be as complacent next year when we get to Croke Park.
i know a couple of people in same situation, they're hoping more tickets come available on Ticketmaster.
There's also a good few i know got tickets who haven't been all year and could hardly name 5 of the players ffs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 07, 2023, 09:41:14 PM
Big win for CPN tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 08, 2023, 05:32:34 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 07, 2023, 04:29:01 PM
Quote from: ardtole on July 07, 2023, 03:08:28 PM
I've been to Thurles twice this year, Breffini Park, Croke Park, Newry a few times, Clones and Tullamore and as of yet I've no ticket.

I'm living in the south so in a lot of cases it's easier to get to the away fixtures. I'm still confident enough il pick a ticket up somewhere, but I was hoping to take my son with me but that I'd imagine is unlikely now.

I usually get my tickets through Supervalu, I'm not involved directly with my home club, bar buying the monthly draw ticket. I was working Tuesday when the tickets went on sale initially and didn't get the time to go online.

Hopefully we get a win next weekend anyway and il not be as complacent next year when we get to Croke Park.
i know a couple of people in same situation, they're hoping more tickets come available on Ticketmaster.
There's also a good few i know got tickets who haven't been all year and could hardly name 5 of the players ffs

Got sorted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 08, 2023, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: ardtole on July 08, 2023, 05:32:34 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on July 07, 2023, 04:29:01 PM
Quote from: ardtole on July 07, 2023, 03:08:28 PM
I've been to Thurles twice this year, Breffini Park, Croke Park, Newry a few times, Clones and Tullamore and as of yet I've no ticket.

I'm living in the south so in a lot of cases it's easier to get to the away fixtures. I'm still confident enough il pick a ticket up somewhere, but I was hoping to take my son with me but that I'd imagine is unlikely now.

I usually get my tickets through Supervalu, I'm not involved directly with my home club, bar buying the monthly draw ticket. I was working Tuesday when the tickets went on sale initially and didn't get the time to go online.

Hopefully we get a win next weekend anyway and il not be as complacent next year when we get to Croke Park.
i know a couple of people in same situation, they're hoping more tickets come available on Ticketmaster.
There's also a good few i know got tickets who haven't been all year and could hardly name 5 of the players ffs

Got sorted.
Good to hear.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: updownup on July 10, 2023, 02:24:10 PM
Down Hurling Intermediate and Junior Championships have a six-week break from the last league match, then a single game and another five-week break before the last two games of a round-robin. The top two teams go to a final, what is the purpose of having these championships so spaced out when they could be finished by the end of summer?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 10, 2023, 02:34:01 PM
Quote from: updownup on July 10, 2023, 02:24:10 PM
Down Intermediate and Junior Championships have a six-week break from the last league match, then a single game and another five-week break before the last two games of a round-robin. The top two teams go to a final, what is the purpose of having these championships so spaced out when they could be finished by the end of summer?

I think you have that wrong. Junior have 3 week and Intermediate has 2 weeks until start of championships.

Junior groups starts 26th Aug Weekend and Ends 9th Sept weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: updownup on July 10, 2023, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 10, 2023, 02:34:01 PM
Quote from: updownup on July 10, 2023, 02:24:10 PM
Down Intermediate and Junior Championships have a six-week break from the last league match, then a single game and another five-week break before the last two games of a round-robin. The top two teams go to a final, what is the purpose of having these championships so spaced out when they could be finished by the end of summer?

I think you have that wrong. Junior have 3 week and Intermediate has 2 weeks until start of championships.

Junior groups starts 26th Aug Weekend and Ends 9th Sept weekend.

Was supposed to mention this was hurling I was talking about sorry!

But still can't put my head around the gap.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 10, 2023, 05:14:31 PM
Still tickets available through clubs if anyone needs them. Only Hogan Stand and only Adult tickets though
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on July 11, 2023, 05:06:21 PM
Quote from: updownup on July 10, 2023, 02:24:10 PM
Down Hurling Intermediate and Junior Championships have a six-week break from the last league match, then a single game and another five-week break before the last two games of a round-robin. The top two teams go to a final, what is the purpose of having these championships so spaced out when they could be finished by the end of summer?

To run into the Ulster club championships I presume.

Bottom two teams in the senior championship go into the intermediate so that'll need played off before the semi-finals and finals can be set.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on July 12, 2023, 12:16:43 PM
any single tickets going folks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on July 12, 2023, 01:13:00 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 12, 2023, 12:16:43 PM
any single tickets going folks?
county board office open to 330pm with limited number of tickets said on their facebook page.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lazer on July 13, 2023, 11:39:11 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on July 12, 2023, 12:16:43 PM
any single tickets going folks?

I think I have a spare hill.ticket if you interested?
Available for collection in Castlewellan/Newcastle area
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 13, 2023, 10:34:42 PM
Are we expecting any changes for Saturdays game? For me McEvoy has to start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 14, 2023, 07:02:28 AM
Will many Down people travel to croke pk tomorrow.? Not much of a build up from the national press, they're all about the semi finals. Hope we get over the line. Can't afford a poor start like the longford game. 2 great performances since that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 14, 2023, 07:39:27 AM
I'm concerned about the weather, the forecast is similar to the Amagh game in Clones this year. This game is definitely gone under the radar barely gets a mention.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 14, 2023, 11:09:07 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 14, 2023, 07:02:28 AM
Will many Down people travel to croke pk tomorrow.? Not much of a build up from the national press, they're all about the semi finals. Hope we get over the line. Can't afford a poor start like the longford game. 2 great performances since that.
Down will have big support tomorrow, lots travelling down, hopefully weather isn't too bad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 14, 2023, 11:19:46 AM
I'm in Dublin today, and it's lashing rain and very windy and the same forecast for tomorrow. Dreadful conditions for football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on July 14, 2023, 11:42:02 AM
Conditions will be a leveller.  Makes it more difficult to play the running game but I'm sure Down will not be afraid to go direct at times.  Can't see McEvoy start.  The Armagh game done him no favours. Andre Murnin had a field day.   He  can't play the same game he does for Kilcoo as he does for Down.  Full back needs to stay at home and marshall the square.  Let the corner men attack if need be. Meath will go direct and probably more physical.  Won't be much between the teams.  Down by 2.  I hope we haven't used up all our goals!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 14, 2023, 11:50:55 AM
I'd have somewhere in the middle 8, particularly with the conditions forecast.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 14, 2023, 12:55:25 PM
Good luck to the boys on Saturday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 14, 2023, 03:19:22 PM
Looking forward to a day in HQ.
Laverty, Clarke, Morgan and Donnelly are to be congratulated for their professional and focused approach over last 8 months- there have been setbacks but clear progress. Those who thought Conor would be a divisive figure couldn't have been more wrong. He loves Gaelic Football and loves winning. Players respect this and even those who have had disagreements with him personally, and Kilcoo generally. have jumped on board. Careers are short and we will never get a manager who ticks all the boxes, but Conor ticks most of them. Fair play to the County Board who have backed him and especially to the players who are an honest and dedicated group of young men.
We have only lost 4 games all year ( I don't count the Derry McKenna cup defeat on penalties as ,along with Cavan in the TC, that was one of our best performances) and I've been at 3 of the defeats. Only Armagh beat us well so the management team learned from that and pushed on.
In terms of team selection , I think it will be similar to the starting 15 against Laois.
Niall Kane has been fairly steady; a couple of wobbles in Ederney and Clones cost us but he should have had more protection. He has pulled off a couple of excellent saves out of the bag at crucial times; his 45 conversion rate is about 2 out of 3 and Conor trusts him.
Paddy McCarthy is quality, our captain Pearse is a much improved player and leads well despite conceding height and Anthony Doherty has been a revelation.
Management may be tempted to throw McPartland ( if fit) in from the start against a physical Meath hf line but more likely they will stick with Rooney, C Doc and Paddy Brannigan; these boys don't let you down although all have had off games.
Ryan McEvoy is a good option and again brings physicality but I think he's better held in reserve to wait and see where the pressure points are. Same with Ryan Magill.
Nothing more needs to be said about Odhran Murdoch- would get on to any of Down's all Ireland winning teams.
Daniel Guinness will be named at 8 but play in the middle third and is Laverty's type of player. Pat Haven will alternate between mf and ff and plays like a man who loves playing for Down.
I reckon they will stick with Kerr, Mason and Danny Magill; three very different players but all have qualities that have been missing in recent years. Mason finds time to find the right ball, never gets flustered and hits frees for fun. Kerr's energy is electric while Magill has the swagger of a Down man destined to win at Croke park. Shelan Johnson, Ross Carr and McAleenan are likely to feature and are good men to bring in.
I reckon he will stick with Ryan Johnson ( who is flying), Havern and Eugene Brannigan. Brannigan will never win a popularity contest but he does what has to be done, has learned from Laverty and , more importantly, is trusted by him. Poland and Francis have played their parts this year and  deserve a run in HQ but Laverty doesn't do sentiment unless we are 10 points up in injury time.
Happily the weather is not going to be as bad as some predicted; there will be showers but it won't be persistent. I didn't see anything in Parnell Park or Croke Park that tells me Meath are great shakes;while it will be close, we should win.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 14, 2023, 03:21:39 PM
If the team don't win this - there is no hope for us. Meath are poor but will stick with us for 40 minutes and then we should see the real Down take over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 14, 2023, 04:34:38 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on July 14, 2023, 07:02:28 AM
Will many Down people travel to croke pk tomorrow.? Not much of a build up from the national press, they're all about the semi finals. Hope we get over the line. Can't afford a poor start like the longford game. 2 great performances since that.

Plenty on official gaa social media to be fair. Paths to final, stats, graphs etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Louther on July 14, 2023, 07:49:33 PM
Have a pair of adult Tickets for lower Davin. Well covered from the rain. Going spare, €80 would take the pair.

Also a pair for Lower Hogan. Same.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on July 15, 2023, 04:44:16 PM
Not surprised at that; we were totally over-rated after the Laois game. The flukey early goal seemed to unsettle us, and after that  we had no composure in the forward line, kick-outs were a disaster. Meath much the better team, physically stronger all over the pitch, but Tailteann Cup is the level for both teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on July 15, 2023, 05:06:40 PM
Meath set up perfectly against us. They know we struggle around the middle and like to build from the back so they set to push up from the start. The middle 8 players really struggled to get any real impact on the game. I'd agree thag the dodgy goal knocked us for 6 at a time when we wwre well on top. Thats where you want a keeper to be more commanding or communicative. Really should have bknown that that shot was going to hit the post. Havern seemed to be caught by surprise when it came off and couldnt adjust himself. Forward line really misfired after a dream match against laois. Ryan J probably only player that played any sort of a decent game today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on July 15, 2023, 06:15:59 PM
It was like Meath vs the Down minor team today. All meath subs 6ft+, Down were wee men.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on July 15, 2023, 06:22:49 PM
Disappointing result. At least we are their in croke learning ar these games and we found out today we still need to find more bigger lads for this squad so we can compete better at a higher level in the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: grounded on July 15, 2023, 07:11:05 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on July 15, 2023, 05:06:40 PM
Meath set up perfectly against us. They know we struggle around the middle and like to build from the back so they set to push up from the start. The middle 8 players really struggled to get any real impact on the game. I'd agree thag the dodgy goal knocked us for 6 at a time when we wwre well on top. Thats where you want a keeper to be more commanding or communicative. Really should have bknown that that shot was going to hit the post. Havern seemed to be caught by surprise when it came off and couldnt adjust himself. Forward line really misfired after a dream match against laois. Ryan J probably only player that played any sort of a decent game today

Ach in fairness you can't really blame the keeper or Havern for that. Pure fluke. Apart from that spot on with everything else.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on July 15, 2023, 07:12:06 PM
Needed those goal chances to count....
Better team won, but both the hurlers and footballers need growth hormones....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on July 15, 2023, 07:19:21 PM
Quote from: grounded on July 15, 2023, 07:11:05 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on July 15, 2023, 05:06:40 PM
Meath set up perfectly against us. They know we struggle around the middle and like to build from the back so they set to push up from the start. The middle 8 players really struggled to get any real impact on the game. I'd agree thag the dodgy goal knocked us for 6 at a time when we wwre well on top. Thats where you want a keeper to be more commanding or communicative. Really should have bknown that that shot was going to hit the post. Havern seemed to be caught by surprise when it came off and couldnt adjust himself. Forward line really misfired after a dream match against laois. Ryan J probably only player that played any sort of a decent game today

Ach in fairness you can't really blame the keeper or Havern for that. Pure fluke. Apart from that spot on with everything else.
I can blame the goalie. I played with brendan mcveigh for many years and he was great for keeping the defenders thinking the ball was coming off the post. Bobo should have been doing the same. Havern looked lost under it whereas if he knew it was coming off the post he would have looked up at the very least and then judged his postiiton accordingly
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 15, 2023, 08:22:35 PM
Kerr & Johnston score their goal chances, Meath don't get the fluke goal, there'd be no word of physicality. Meath were better, but Down aren't far away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Phoenix rising on July 15, 2023, 08:29:43 PM
Arent far away from what? They are a world away.....back to Div 3 and Tailteann Cup next year unfortunately
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 15, 2023, 08:39:45 PM
A world away from what?

Weren't far away from going straight into the All Ireland series next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on July 15, 2023, 10:44:11 PM
Disappointing end to a roller coaster county season.
We could and probably should have won that game and the consequences of defeat are significant for us.
Firstly, Comghairdeas to Meath; best team on the day won.
It was a good day out and no doubt the younger generation are hungry to be at the top table again. 
Every player on the squad has put in a great shift so go raibh maith agaibh lads. And management.
Plenty of positives but plenty of regrets and ultimately we're still in Division 3 and unlikeliest ⁶to be competing in Sam Maguire in 2024, which hurts.
Some players rise to the challenge of a big stsge; others freeze or don't play to their potential.  Management will learn. Some of the changes could/ should have been made earlier but hard to plan for the freak goal and Meath pushed on from that.
So we pause and look forward to the County championships. Up Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 16, 2023, 07:25:34 AM
If we win Div 3 next year then we should be in the All Ireland series barring another draw that sees sligo or Leitrim on the one side of connacht. Meath are Div 2 and hardly relegation fodder. So I'd be hopeful of winning Div 3. Clare won't be easy but they lost their great manager Collins.  We really should be winning div next term. Alot of S&C needed.  Ohagan won't be back  till spring. Will Mooney make a difference? Who else from the U20s can come in?  Guys have done well and myself and the kids have had some great days and nights out with this team and the U20s this year. Keep it up lads, as disappointing as yesterday was  its great to be back in croke pk and being competitive. Remember Meath are a division above us and take out the freak goal there wasn't a hell of a difference bar their forwards. We struggle to score from distance they didn't in the 2nd half yesterday. 
Monaghan and Derry should be a  plan to follow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: grounded on July 16, 2023, 09:18:20 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on July 15, 2023, 07:19:21 PM
Quote from: grounded on July 15, 2023, 07:11:05 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on July 15, 2023, 05:06:40 PM
Meath set up perfectly against us. They know we struggle around the middle and like to build from the back so they set to push up from the start. The middle 8 players really struggled to get any real impact on the game. I'd agree thag the dodgy goal knocked us for 6 at a time when we wwre well on top. Thats where you want a keeper to be more commanding or communicative. Really should have bknown that that shot was going to hit the post. Havern seemed to be caught by surprise when it came off and couldnt adjust himself. Forward line really misfired after a dream match against laois. Ryan J probably only player that played any sort of a decent game today

Ach in fairness you can't really blame the keeper or Havern for that. Pure fluke. Apart from that spot on with everything else.
I can blame the goalie. I played with brendan mcveigh for many years and he was great for keeping the defenders thinking the ball was coming off the post. Bobo should have been doing the same. Havern looked lost under it whereas if he knew it was coming off the post he would have looked up at the very least and then judged his postiiton accordingly

So your blaming Kane for the goal?
    You could definitely level criticism of him for some poor kick outs ( i would add that our lack of a competitive midfield forces the keeper to take more risky options under the press). You could definitely level Criticism of him after the Armagh/Fermanagh game but that is unfair to blame him for that flukey goal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on July 16, 2023, 09:27:03 AM
My fear before the game was our lack of physicality and so it proved. Wiped out in the middle third. I also had a bad feeling we wouldn't get a goal. So often the case a team bangs a load of goals and goes out the next day and nothing. The first goal could've been avoided. Bobo still lacks presence for me and was totally flat footed. After that he wobbled and in fairness the whole team did it was a big turning point. Kerrs miss was the other big turning point. If he hit the net I think it's a different game 2nd half. It's fine margins. Maybe some players got a bit carried away with the hype. Meath had played at a higher level. Some Down folk thought it was just a matter of turning up based on the laois game. Realistically a div 1 team in down would probably have beaten laois that day. This year has been an improvement but there is a lot of work to do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on July 16, 2023, 09:47:03 AM
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Meath set up perfectly against us. They know we struggle around the middle and like to build from the back so they set to push up from the start. The middle 8 players really struggled to get any real impact on the game. I'd agree thag the dodgy goal knocked us for 6 at a time when we wwre well on top. Thats where you want a keeper to be more commanding or communicative. Really should have bknown that that shot was going to hit the post. Havern seemed to be caught by surprise when it came off and couldnt adjust himself. Forward line really misfired after a dream match against laois. Ryan J probably only player that played any sort of a decent game today

Ach in fairness you can't really blame the keeper or Havern for that. Pure fluke. Apart from that spot on with everything else.
I can blame the goalie. I played with brendan mcveigh for many years and he was great for keeping the defenders thinking the ball was coming off the post. Bobo should have been doing the same. Havern looked lost under it whereas if he knew it was coming off the post he would have looked up at the very least and then judged his postiiton accordingly

So your blaming Kane for the goal?
    You could definitely level criticism of him for some poor kick outs ( i would add that our lack of a competitive midfield forces the keeper to take more risky options under the press). You could definitely level Criticism of him after the Armagh/Fermanagh game but that is unfair to blame him for that flukey goal.
Yes sure it was very unlucky the way it came off the post right down on top of an unsuspecting havern but im saying he would have known that ball was either going to hit the post or come close to it. If he let havern know it was coming off the post he may have been more alert to it dropping. As i said brendan mcveigh was one of the best keepers for doing this even if a ball was going 2 feet either side of the post he would still make you think it was coming off the post so you would always be aware. Agree that probably being a goalie for down is one of the most hateful positions to ever play in now that we dont possess any real ability to win good clean ball around the middle so goalkeeper has to take more risks in playing the ball short. One thing we can do to alleviate teams that press up on us is get the kickout away early before they have time to set up on us. We also had a bit of luck in the long kickout over the top then flicking it on to the half forward line
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on July 16, 2023, 11:45:49 AM
Personally feel Management lost this one. Did a great job tactically getting to this stage but to go up against a very big Meath team with Guinness at Midfield, put our best fielder of the ball at full forward for large periods, i just could not see the benefits or potential benefits. Meath pushed up very strong on our kickouts to force the long kickout knowing they had the upper hand in middle third, that was easy to see. Im not a fan of McEvoy but surely him and Patrick Branagan should have been on much earlier and even Carr after his performance at Midfield a few weeks back. I thought Doherty had a good game as did Eugene, Rooney was quiet. L Kerr was exposed to his one sided approach they marshalled him down the right side didnt let him get in. Meath got it 100% tactically and unfortunately we looked like we had no plan B. Their big men got an easy run of it and kicked some great second half scores, Down were still close but i feel got it wrong on the line. A more positive season all in all and hopefully more to come but we will need to unearth some bigger men with talent. Missing Mooney and Donnelly and Ohagan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: grounded on July 16, 2023, 12:04:58 PM
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Meath set up perfectly against us. They know we struggle around the middle and like to build from the back so they set to push up from the start. The middle 8 players really struggled to get any real impact on the game. I'd agree thag the dodgy goal knocked us for 6 at a time when we wwre well on top. Thats where you want a keeper to be more commanding or communicative. Really should have bknown that that shot was going to hit the post. Havern seemed to be caught by surprise when it came off and couldnt adjust himself. Forward line really misfired after a dream match against laois. Ryan J probably only player that played any sort of a decent game today

Ach in fairness you can't really blame the keeper or Havern for that. Pure fluke. Apart from that spot on with everything else.
I can blame the goalie. I played with brendan mcveigh for many years and he was great for keeping the defenders thinking the ball was coming off the post. Bobo should have been doing the same. Havern looked lost under it whereas if he knew it was coming off the post he would have looked up at the very least and then judged his postiiton accordingly

So your blaming Kane for the goal?
    You could definitely level criticism of him for some poor kick outs ( i would add that our lack of a competitive midfield forces the keeper to take more risky options under the press). You could definitely level Criticism of him after the Armagh/Fermanagh game but that is unfair to blame him for that flukey goal.
Yes sure it was very unlucky the way it came off the post right down on top of an unsuspecting havern but im saying he would have known that ball was either going to hit the post or come close to it. If he let havern know it was coming off the post he may have been more alert to it dropping. As i said brendan mcveigh was one of the best keepers for doing this even if a ball was going 2 feet either side of the post he would still make you think it was coming off the post so you would always be aware. Agree that probably being a goalie for down is one of the most hateful positions to ever play in now that we dont possess any real ability to win good clean ball around the middle so goalkeeper has to take more risks in playing the ball short. One thing we can do to alleviate teams that press up on us is get the kickout away early before they have time to set up on us. We also had a bit of luck in the long kickout over the top then flicking it on to the half forward line

If we are talking about goalkeepers particularly, they all have their strengths and weaknesses.
        At the minute the gold standard is probably someone like Rory Beggan. He can pretty much do it all but btw is far from infallible.
   Kane has a lot of experience having been to Croke with Kilcoo and now Down. He's a decent shot stopper, good for long distance free kicks/45's and reasonable at kickouts.
    He's suspect under high balls, not very mobile and only reasonable at kickouts.
We have young Smyth coming through from the bridge and he may given time and experience be a better option.
    I'm old enough to remember Brendan play for Down and a fine keeper he was. He played with at least a functioning midfield, but he had his faults just the same. He had difficulty with short kickouts and he would have struggled as a keeper in the current Down setup.
     Our real problem as you alluded to is a lack of a midfield(i include halfbacks/forwards) who can really compete for the ball. Not since Gordon in his pomp have we been able to compete at intercounty level never mind dominate.
  Lavery knows this and he's set the team up to effectively bypass midfield.   
     Unfortunarely every other county knows this and it will always be an achilles heal until we unearth some talent there. What difference a Connor Glass would make!
    Anyway, its Lavery's first year. I'm happy with the progress he has made so far. At the very least, morale in the county has been boosted.
   

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on July 16, 2023, 01:47:15 PM
If we had to have taken one of our goal chances I think we would have kicked on and won. There has unquestionably been huge improvements over the year but there is huge disappointment losing out on promotion and losing yesterday.

There will be significant pressure and expectation to win promotion next season. Westmeath will probably be our toughest opponents and they will be looking to kick on from a decent All Ireland series performance in a tough group this year.

Most years promotion from div3 will secure a place in that years all ireland series and that will be our immediate goal starting off next year. A favourable draw in the Ulster championship might give us an opportunity to achieve that either and I feel we are definitely closing the gap on the stronger teams in Ulster. But an Ulster final appearance is still probably beyond us realistically.

Highlights of the year for me were, beating Donegal in Newry. Beating Cavan in the Tailtain cup and the atmosphere in general at the home games.

Negatives were our performance v Armagh, nothing went right, the weather was dreadful Armagh got the rub off the green with goals etc.

Losing to Fermanagh which ultimately cost us promotion, and under performing yesterday when a win would have given us a clear sign of progress and a guaranteed slot in next years All Ireland series.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on July 16, 2023, 01:51:29 PM
Disappointing end to the year yesterday, definite progress made though. Players and management gave us some good days out and there's a pride in the county team again.

On the match itself, same as a couple of others i thought McEvoy and Paddy Brannigan should've been brought in earlier. Meath definitely out muscled us and we struggled winning any ball at midfield, seen a stat saying we won possession 18/27 from our own kick outs which is a poor statistic in modern game. We also struggle to kick points from distance which Meath done well at yesterday.
Next year's main aim has to be getting out of division 3 and playing teams like Meath more regularly.

Hopefully we'll see a lot of the 'new' fans that were there yesterday at the first league game in February.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on July 16, 2023, 02:43:15 PM
I really feel for the players, they put so much into the league and B championship just to come up very short yesterday. The management have a responsibility to keep everyone grounded but yesterday I got the vibe that all they had to do was turn up. There was too much going on in the buildup, have breakfast with the team, join us for a celebration dinner afterwards! Catch a grip on yourselves and stop getting carried away, go play and win the game. They were let down by an inexperienced manager who looked so lost and clueless, he might be a decent coach but he was left looking like a wee boy along the line. His allegiance to Kilcoo cost him again yesterday when the curly finger should have been used. Like Canavan said pre game, the coaching of Jimmy Mc Guinness was evident in the way Down had played on the way to the final but it was boys v men yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on July 16, 2023, 03:14:41 PM
Lavery may be inexperienced lotto but he is still our best option I think. He is done well for down considering there been very poor underage been brought through the ranks except for the teams he worked with. I do think though he and the setup would benefit from a new face along side him next year possibly a micky Moran / sean boylan type. What you think? Or wud you ship him out the door now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on July 16, 2023, 04:05:34 PM
And what difference would either of those make. He is the manager, again he looked lost along the line yesterday and frequently clueless. Not sure what Mc Guinness does on match day but all of his other men don't seem to have much input or influence. I'd have Mc Guinness along the line and just let Laverty be a coach as he hasn't a clue how to be a manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on July 16, 2023, 04:19:20 PM
McGuinness would be nice but is he interested and willing to take the role, I dont think so therefore there is no better options in my opinion other than to enhance and support the current management setup. Are u aware of better available options?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on July 16, 2023, 05:54:52 PM
Quote from: Lotto on July 16, 2023, 04:05:34 PM
And what difference would either of those make. He is the manager, again he looked lost along the line yesterday and frequently clueless. Not sure what Mc Guinness does on match day but all of his other men don't seem to have much input or influence. I'd have Mc Guinness along the line and just let Laverty be a coach as he hasn't a clue how to be a manager.

Explain how he looked lost. What did you see that leads you to that conclusion?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on July 16, 2023, 06:38:10 PM
Quote from: Lotto on July 16, 2023, 04:05:34 PM
And what difference would either of those make. He is the manager, again he looked lost along the line yesterday and frequently clueless. Not sure what Mc Guinness does on match day but all of his other men don't seem to have much input or influence. I'd have Mc Guinness along the line and just let Laverty be a coach as he hasn't a clue how to be a manager.

That's pretty harsh. New manager tested at a level that, yes, he admittedly came up short in. But he has made great progress at both age levels. He has made us entertaining again and his team look enthusiastic and united together.

saying he hasn't a clue how to be a manager is an exaggeration, he hasn't so far become a really goo manager but he certainly has managed fairly well, certainly better than we had.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 16, 2023, 10:33:13 PM
It has to go down as a poor year - hear me out. We lost out in a reasonably poor division 3 with Cavan being the exception. Had Antrim and Westmeath taken their chances it could've been embarrassing. Then we won an ulster championship game for the first time in ages and follow it up with as bad a performance tactically as I've seen in a long time. I don't want to hear about Armagh being on the road longer etc etc as that means nothing when it's a game between 30 players at the same so called standard.
Then we get a run in the B competition and gather a bit of momentum before blitzing a savage poor Laois in the semis. As someone already mentioned - a good club division 1 team wudve toppled them.. into the final and we leave a 6'2 man on the sideline who is as athletic as we have in the county, is experienced as has played in 2 club all Ireland finals and has great fielding ability - beggars belief.. Shane Annett - another 6'1 athletic player - on the bench.. crazy..
finally - stop this bulls**t about winning two ulster u20 titles. We absolutely stole the first one as Monaghan best player was killed in the lead up to it and this year the team was a dream team that Micky mouse cudve won ulster with. I know they were ambushed at minor level but that was never happening again.
So weigh it up
U20 two years ago - first test against a team - beaten
U20 this year - as above
Senior this year - test v Cavan in league - beat, test v Fermanagh in league - beaten - test v Armagh in championship- embarrassed - test v Meath in Chsmpionship - beaten..

Laverty may well seem to be the best we have at present - but the whole thing needs a shakeup to get the results required to get back competing again where it matters.. enjoyed the amount of games this year but not the quality on view by our own.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: maldini on July 17, 2023, 07:26:01 AM
Having watched the match twice now I'm not sure how you can conclude that one of the reasons Down lost was that Shane Annett wasn't on for long enough
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on July 17, 2023, 08:16:20 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 16, 2023, 10:33:13 PM
It has to go down as a poor year - hear me out. We lost out in a reasonably poor division 3 with Cavan being the exception. Had Antrim and Westmeath taken their chances it could've been embarrassing. Then we won an ulster championship game for the first time in ages and follow it up with as bad a performance tactically as I've seen in a long time. I don't want to hear about Armagh being on the road longer etc etc as that means nothing when it's a game between 30 players at the same so called standard.
Then we get a run in the B competition and gather a bit of momentum before blitzing a savage poor Laois in the semis. As someone already mentioned - a good club division 1 team wudve toppled them.. into the final and we leave a 6'2 man on the sideline who is as athletic as we have in the county, is experienced as has played in 2 club all Ireland finals and has great fielding ability - beggars belief.. Shane Annett - another 6'1 athletic player - on the bench.. crazy..
finally - stop this bulls**t about winning two ulster u20 titles. We absolutely stole the first one as Monaghan best player was killed in the lead up to it and this year the team was a dream team that Micky mouse cudve won ulster with. I know they were ambushed at minor level but that was never happening again.
So weigh it up
U20 two years ago - first test against a team - beaten
U20 this year - as above
Senior this year - test v Cavan in league - beat, test v Fermanagh in league - beaten - test v Armagh in championship- embarrassed - test v Meath in Chsmpionship - beaten..

Laverty may well seem to be the best we have at present - but the whole thing needs a shakeup to get the results required to get back competing again where it matters.. enjoyed the amount of games this year but not the quality on view by our own.
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Who said Down qnd Armagh were on the similar level?? Anyone with half a Brain knew thst fame would be a struggle and the possibility of a beating was there.  How many players were given game time this year? How many more county standard are there in the ounty championship for Lavety to unearth.?? Who should be the manager? We would love to know constructive thoughts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 17, 2023, 08:34:50 AM
I don't know why some on hear are having a go at the manager , most likely have a personal axe to grind, Meath got out of jail, we should have won that final and but for a flukey goal and our inability to convert 3 goal chances we would have a different narrative on here, but that game is done and we need to look forward. The championships will be upon us and hopefully we can find a few more players for the senior squad.
Now we are focusing on the club scene it would great if we could look at our development squads, minor and u20s. We need quality coaches who know what they're doing and aren't just names from glory days or friends from university days.
Derry has shown what can be achieved after a root and branch process has been carried out, Down supporters are being let down badly by the current Down executive , a run in the B championship can't be allowed to paper over the problems.
We need proper systems with accountability for county coaches and juvenile county managers if we are to make further improvement at senior level in the years to come.
I hope the next county chairman can bring about the necessary changes as the present one can't or won't implement the necessary changes required to give Conor Lavery the support he needs and not the inappropriate criticism I have read here and listened to.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 17, 2023, 09:14:00 AM
Quote from: Cuan12 on July 17, 2023, 08:34:50 AM
I don't know why some on hear are having a go at the manager , most likely have a personal axe to grind, Meath got out of jail, we should have won that final and but for a flukey goal and our inability to convert 3 goal chances we would have a different narrative on here, but that game is done and we need to look forward. The championships will be upon us and hopefully we can find a few more players for the senior squad.
Now we are focusing on the club scene it would great if we could look at our development squads, minor and u20s. We need quality coaches who know what they're doing and aren't just names from glory days or friends from university days.
Derry has shown what can be achieved after a root and branch process has been carried out, Down supporters are being let down badly by the current Down executive , a run in the B championship can't be allowed to paper over the problems.
We need proper systems with accountability for county coaches and juvenile county managers if we are to make further improvement at senior level in the years to come.
I hope the next county chairman can bring about the necessary changes as the present one can't or won't implement the necessary changes required to give Conor Lavery the support he needs and not the inappropriate criticism I have read here and listened to.

How are the county coaches and juvenile county managers not accountable? These are discussed at county board meetings where clubs are informed of what is going on, and each meeting has a delegate who can question the executive.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on July 17, 2023, 09:17:40 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 16, 2023, 06:38:10 PM
Quote from: Lotto on July 16, 2023, 04:05:34 PM
And what difference would either of those make. He is the manager, again he looked lost along the line yesterday and frequently clueless. Not sure what Mc Guinness does on match day but all of his other men don't seem to have much input or influence. I'd have Mc Guinness along the line and just let Laverty be a coach as he hasn't a clue how to be a manager.

That's pretty harsh. New manager tested at a level that, yes, he admittedly came up short in. But he has made great progress at both age levels. He has made us entertaining again and his team look enthusiastic and united together.

saying he hasn't a clue how to be a manager is an exaggeration, he hasn't so far become a really goo manager but he certainly has managed fairly well, certainly better than we had.

It's nonsense too and obviously a personal gripe. Being honest with you I did not like Laverty as a player as I thought he was constantly looking to dive and get players booked but he is a very good manager and will come good for you if given a bit of time. Meath have had a decent conveyor belt of talent coming through from underage and also the more senior guys have probably played in super 8s etc. Down will come good.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on July 17, 2023, 09:35:11 AM
Truth hurts, reading your post, your obviously clued into the county coaches and must be well impressed on the progress we are making at juvenile level via the development squads!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on July 17, 2023, 09:39:44 AM
Doom and gloom merchants seem to be enjoying the chance to put the boot in to the management. A flukey goal, Kerr blazing a goal chance over before half time and some poor decision making by players running in to blind alleys or passing the ball to men under pressure are what lost the game. Credit to Meath for their solid defensive shape and their two big men stepped up to the plate after half time. Not sure why people on here expected an easy win against a Div 2 side who had beaten Down already. Some green shoots of progress were all we wanted this year, and personally I think we got that. Next year is the real test of the management I believe, having had a year with the panel and now a chance to get a good look at other potential players for next year. We do need more of a physical presence, not sure who could be brought in to the team to add that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on July 17, 2023, 10:56:40 AM
Meath did very well to restrict down's key players, Kerr got a point which should have been a goal and kicked a good score towards the end but was well marshalled, havern in the first half missed an easy free and a chance immediately after that you would expect him to get, murdock couldn't get up and running and magill wasn't in the game at all. 

For me Charlie Smyth would be a far better option than Kane in goals, Eugene Branagan basic skillset was poor and he probably shouldn't be starting, shealan johnston looked quite lightweigh and recall him being easily muscled off the ball in the first half.  Laverty very loyal to his club mates and could argue for obvious reasons as they have reached pinnacle of club football.  Think he will be a good manager but for him personally he might be better in 7/8 years time when he has less ties to the players. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on July 17, 2023, 03:56:03 PM
Marginal progress this year, better atmosphere but few achievemnents apart from the wins over Donegal and Cavan. As I feared, the county level was a step too far for the Kilcoo lads, great club players though they are. But Lavery can only work with what he has got, and untill we can unearth some bigger lads the Tailteann Cup will remain our annual target
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 19, 2023, 08:42:03 AM
Club games Friday night and Monday - are there any county players still in the country?? I hate that when the county season is done they think they are above playing club football for a few weeks until they are brought back to earth by a voice in the crowd telling them the truth.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on July 19, 2023, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 19, 2023, 08:42:03 AM
Club games Friday night and Monday - are there any county players still in the country?? I hate that when the county season is done they think they are above playing club football for a few weeks until they are brought back to earth by a voice in the crowd telling them the truth.

Do they not need a break for a week or two?

They'll still be in peak fitness in a week or two but just doing a bit of running etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on July 19, 2023, 06:14:15 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 19, 2023, 08:42:03 AM
Club games Friday night and Monday - are there any county players still in the country?? I hate that when the county season is done they think they are above playing club football for a few weeks until they are brought back to earth by a voice in the crowd telling them the truth.

What a ridiculous statement. Lads training hard since before Christmas taking a week off is hardly a crime. They don't owe you anything. Unless your club is maybe different and they are professional club players with contractual obligations.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 20, 2023, 08:26:30 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 19, 2023, 08:42:03 AM
Club games Friday night and Monday - are there any county players still in the country?? I hate that when the county season is done they think they are above playing club football for a few weeks until they are brought back to earth by a voice in the crowd telling them the truth.

Bar stool syndrome well and truly rife now the county season is over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on July 21, 2023, 08:02:05 AM
Any posters on here from Carryduff? Will James Guinness or Owen McCabe be back from injury in time to play championship this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on July 21, 2023, 03:28:17 PM
Owen McCabe and Tom McCarrol are out for the season, James Guinness should be back soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on July 21, 2023, 11:39:43 PM
Are there a few managers who have been told not to come back already this year? Knew O'Neill left the point after the previous management had walked before Christmas. Are there more?

I feel players have too much of a say nowadays with their committees. Although managers taking a lot of money in them wedged brown envelopes all the same and losing games too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on July 22, 2023, 12:54:39 AM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on July 21, 2023, 11:39:43 PM
Are there a few managers who have been told not to come back already this year? Knew O'Neill left the point after the previous management had walked before Christmas. Are there more?

I feel players have too much of a say nowadays with their committees. Although managers taking a lot of money in them wedged brown envelopes all the same and losing games too.
You on the drink?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 23, 2023, 10:37:27 PM
Big week ahead for fixtures. Carryduff have to go into the lions den and win tomorrow night to prove they have the mettle to win this league. Kilcoo may be short a few but still won't want to lose at home to a team with genuine championship credentials. Bredagh, bryansford and Longstone have been cut adrift at the bottom so all other teams being safe can focus on championship preparations.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 24, 2023, 04:07:51 PM
The two rounds of premier reserve football is not working.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: rosskarr on July 24, 2023, 04:33:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 24, 2023, 04:07:51 PM
The two rounds of premier reserve football is not working.
What way?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 24, 2023, 04:47:32 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 23, 2023, 10:37:27 PM
Big week ahead for fixtures. Carryduff have to go into the lions den and win tomorrow night to prove they have the mettle to win this league. Kilcoo may be short a few but still won't want to lose at home to a team with genuine championship credentials. Bredagh, bryansford and Longstone have been cut adrift at the bottom so all other teams being safe can focus on championship preparations.

Staying up is in our own hands, but if other teams play weakened teams there may well be a few odd results to come, we will see. Always thought it would come to the last game of the season for us.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 24, 2023, 07:31:24 PM
Quote from: rosskarr on July 24, 2023, 04:33:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 24, 2023, 04:07:51 PM
The two rounds of premier reserve football is not working.
What way?

I'd say truth is complaining about fixture fulfilment again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on July 25, 2023, 01:21:21 PM
There was always going to be a few teams unable to field when the fixtures were on the weekend of a Friday/Monday senior league double.
I don't think we need to go reinventing the reserve league system on the back of one weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 25, 2023, 04:48:07 PM
What's wrong at Bryansford? One of the great clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 26, 2023, 05:20:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 25, 2023, 04:48:07 PM
What's wrong at Bryansford? One of the great clubs.

There are a few clubs in the same situation. Clubs that were big in terms of numbers and titles. Next season we will have no teams from the area of Mourne in division 1, no teams from Newry, no Downpatrick, Brysnsford - a lot of big clubs outside the top ten.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 26, 2023, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 25, 2023, 04:48:07 PM
What's wrong at Bryansford? One of the great clubs.

What's your thoughts?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on July 26, 2023, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on July 25, 2023, 01:21:21 PM
There was always going to be a few teams unable to field when the fixtures were on the weekend of a Friday/Monday senior league double.
I don't think we need to go reinventing the reserve league system on the back of one weekend

You would have to wonder how Tyrone clubs play a reserve game at 18.45 on a Friday night and the same two clubs play the senior game at 8pm.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on July 27, 2023, 08:23:40 AM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on July 26, 2023, 11:46:48 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on July 25, 2023, 01:21:21 PM
There was always going to be a few teams unable to field when the fixtures were on the weekend of a Friday/Monday senior league double.
I don't think we need to go reinventing the reserve league system on the back of one weekend

You would have to wonder how Tyrone clubs play a reserve game at 18.45 on a Friday night and the same two clubs play the senior game at 8pm.

They do that obviously until the daylight prevents it, then it moves to Sunday at 2.15 & 3.45.
All 3 divisions do it also, not only senior. Every team in Tyrone play reserve & senior together for senior, reserve and intermediate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 27, 2023, 08:43:55 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 26, 2023, 05:20:49 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 25, 2023, 04:48:07 PM
What's wrong at Bryansford? One of the great clubs.

There are a few clubs in the same situation. Clubs that were big in terms of numbers and titles. Next season we will have no teams from the area of Mourne in division 1, no teams from Newry, no Downpatrick, Brysnsford - a lot of big clubs outside the top ten.

Ballyholland are up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 28, 2023, 09:25:23 PM
We are staying in Division 1 next year after us winning and Bryansford getting beat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on July 29, 2023, 01:13:56 PM
Leagues look settled at this stage, regardless of winners etc

Div 1: Carryduff & Loughinisland top 2
Relegated: Bryansford & Longstone

Div 2: Ballyholland & The Town up
Relegated: Drumgath & any one of Fontenoys, Rostrevor, Glenn & Shamrocks down. Looking at it with the final fixtures i would say Glenn are in toughest position, 1 each on head to head with Shamrocks and a much poorer score difference, this will come down to what teams Ballyholland and Rgu field in the next two weeks, reserve championship could mean top 13s cant be rested.

Div 3: St Johns & An Riocht up (most likely) Ballymartin slip up last night eases the pressure on The Kingdom. Annaclone can catch however they have St Johns to go with An Riocht having St Pauls. The game with Ballymartin on Monday will determine if anyone else has a chance of promotion
Relegated: St Pauls are down, any one of Drumaness, D Cross, Tullylish or Banbridge can go down.... Scares for big teams in Darragh Cross and Tullylish this year, recent run of results should pull the latter out but numerically can go down, have Darragh Cross and St Pauls left. D Cross having to play Tullylish & Banbridge is going to be tough but are at home for both. Drumaness have Ballymartin and Atticall, again could come down to who plays and the hunger of safe teams, interesting run in.

Div 4: Bosco and Finn are up
Bottom Half: No relegation but overall St Michaels, Glassdruman & Aghaderg have won one game all year. Aghaderg a few draws. Since the split Dundrum have struggled in 4B in latter part of season and will be happy to have got points in first half of season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 29, 2023, 01:48:13 PM
Harps put in their best performance of the season last night in securing the D2 title. RGU are a very decent side and were very much up for it, but on the night we were just that bit more decisive, clinical, determined.

It's now clear we are too good for D2. Here's hoping we use the season as a springboard like CPN and Island have done in the recent past.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on July 29, 2023, 04:50:01 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on July 29, 2023, 01:13:56 PM
Leagues look settled at this stage, regardless of winners etc

Div 1: Carryduff & Loughinisland top 2
Relegated: Bryansford & Longstone

Div 2: Ballyholland & The Town up
Relegated: Drumgath & any one of Fontenoys, Rostrevor, Glenn & Shamrocks down. Looking at it with the final fixtures i would say Glenn are in toughest position, 1 each on head to head with Shamrocks and a much poorer score difference, this will come down to what teams Ballyholland and Rgu field in the next two weeks, reserve championship could mean top 13s cant be rested.

Div 3: St Johns & An Riocht up (most likely) Ballymartin slip up last night eases the pressure on The Kingdom. Annaclone can catch however they have St Johns to go with An Riocht having St Pauls. The game with Ballymartin on Monday will determine if anyone else has a chance of promotion
Relegated: St Pauls are down, any one of Drumaness, D Cross, Tullylish or Banbridge can go down.... Scares for big teams in Darragh Cross and Tullylish this year, recent run of results should pull the latter out but numerically can go down, have Darragh Cross and St Pauls left. D Cross having to play Tullylish & Banbridge is going to be tough but are at home for both. Drumaness have Ballymartin and Atticall, again could come down to who plays and the hunger of safe teams, interesting run in.

Div 4: Bosco and Finn are up
Bottom Half: No relegation but overall St Michaels, Glassdruman & Aghaderg have won one game all year. Aghaderg a few draws. Since the split Dundrum have struggled in 4B in latter part of season and will be happy to have got points in first half of season.

Fancy Loughinisland to win Div 1
Would be a shock to see Glenn go down

Ballyholland by far an away the best in Div 2. Castlewellan lucky that RGU and Saul missed their county players for a lot of games. Though have been impressive anyway

Div 3 St John's far and away the best of the lot even without Gilmore

Would be a shock to see Darragh cross or Clann na. Banna in Div 4

Bosco won Div 4 handy enough in the end they prob have the best equipped sqaud for Div  3

Aughlisnafin going up has been mightly impressive. They Will find it tough in Div 3 but they have good players there by the looks of it maybe just not big enough of a panel

Can't wait until the championship gets going now.

Kilcoo for SFC
St John's for IFC
Drumaness for JFC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on July 29, 2023, 04:54:38 PM
Quote from: County Star on July 29, 2023, 04:50:01 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on July 29, 2023, 01:13:56 PM
Leagues look settled at this stage, regardless of winners etc

Div 1: Carryduff & Loughinisland top 2
Relegated: Bryansford & Longstone

Div 2: Ballyholland & The Town up
Relegated: Drumgath & any one of Fontenoys, Rostrevor, Glenn & Shamrocks down. Looking at it with the final fixtures i would say Glenn are in toughest position, 1 each on head to head with Shamrocks and a much poorer score difference, this will come down to what teams Ballyholland and Rgu field in the next two weeks, reserve championship could mean top 13s cant be rested.

Div 3: St Johns & An Riocht up (most likely) Ballymartin slip up last night eases the pressure on The Kingdom. Annaclone can catch however they have St Johns to go with An Riocht having St Pauls. The game with Ballymartin on Monday will determine if anyone else has a chance of promotion
Relegated: St Pauls are down, any one of Drumaness, D Cross, Tullylish or Banbridge can go down.... Scares for big teams in Darragh Cross and Tullylish this year, recent run of results should pull the latter out but numerically can go down, have Darragh Cross and St Pauls left. D Cross having to play Tullylish & Banbridge is going to be tough but are at home for both. Drumaness have Ballymartin and Atticall, again could come down to who plays and the hunger of safe teams, interesting run in.

Div 4: Bosco and Finn are up
Bottom Half: No relegation but overall St Michaels, Glassdruman & Aghaderg have won one game all year. Aghaderg a few draws. Since the split Dundrum have struggled in 4B in latter part of season and will be happy to have got points in first half of season.

Fancy Loughinisland to win Div 1
Would be a shock to see Glenn go down

Ballyholland by far an away the best in Div 2. Castlewellan lucky that RGU and Saul missed their county players for a lot of games. Though have been impressive anyway

Div 3 St John's far and away the best of the lot even without Gilmore

Would be a shock to see Darragh cross or Clann na. Banna in Div 4

Bosco won Div 4 handy enough in the end they prob have the best equipped sqaud forbdiv 3

Aughlisnafin going up has been mightly impressive. Will find it tough in Div 3 but they have good players there by the looks of it maybe just not big enough of a panel

Can't wait until the championship gets going now
Wouldn't agree with that. An Riocht still can win the league if they win all of their remaining games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on July 29, 2023, 10:20:07 PM
An Riocht play St John's in the last game. Reckon St John's will win it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 31, 2023, 12:09:29 PM
After watching the final yesterday - it is a blessing we didn't win the B championship. Imagine being pitted in a group with either of those teams - the Armagh result from this year would be deemed a good one. The level of the game was through the roof and the physicality of both teams was extreme. We are light years away from that - thank god for Meath.

Club scene hotting up now with promotion sorted from all divisions and a few relegations also sorted. Two fixtures remaining in preparation for the championship which is a month away. Whilst we suffered at the hands of the noisy neighbours on Friday - we won't be that far away come championship (I hope). Getting injured players back and some returning to the pitch in nxt few weeks is priority. Holidays are done - it's time for the real football to begin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 31, 2023, 12:12:14 PM
The failure of the Town and Bryansford to field at premier reserve level demonstrates the county's disinterest towards reserve football. How can we change this when two of our biggest clubs are unable to field?.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on July 31, 2023, 12:32:14 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 31, 2023, 12:12:14 PM
The failure of the Town and Bryansford to field at premier reserve level demonstrates the county's disinterest towards reserve football. How can we change this when two of our biggest clubs are unable to field?.

What is with this constant assumption that teams are simply choosing not to play, instead of genuinely not having the numbers? I can tell you that I come from a club that has been fortunate enough to play most games this season, but some games we had a bare 15 with no subs. With the top 13 list, along with injuries and young lads that work on a Saturday, we struggle to make up a team. I would imagine that many teams up and down the county suffer with this too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on July 31, 2023, 01:35:44 PM
An 18 game season probably is too long for reserve football.

By week 9-10, most clubs can no longer win their league. And as the format and entries change year on year, relegation isn't a concern.

It takes a good 'un to drive across Down for a reserve game with nothing at stake.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clonian on July 31, 2023, 02:14:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 31, 2023, 01:35:44 PM
An 18 game season probably is too long for reserve football.

By week 9-10, most clubs can no longer win their league. And as the format and entries change year on year, relegation isn't a concern.

It takes a good 'un to drive across Down for a reserve game with nothing at stake.

I said that 4 years ago when I stopped playing reserves - a game every other week would work for most clubs and players. I can't understand the boards need to play a load of games especially at that level. I think sometimes there's a bit of 'stop them playing something else' in it.

Lads in the local soccer club were saying they were struggling to get the 2nd and 3rds level lads to commit to a full season there too. They start in mid August and there could be games every Saturday more or less to May. A bit less would probably help them too. Rathfriland's 1st team played over 50 matches last season!

It was ok years ago to head away every Saturday or Sunday for whatever sport you play; GAA, soccer or even golf; but lads with families have less time to give nowadays. When I played reserve matches you were away for just after 12 and not back to after 5 if it was away to Downpatrick or Carryduff. There was no one welcoming you back home after that. At least with golf you can pick your own time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 31, 2023, 04:45:09 PM


I said that 4 years ago when I stopped playing reserves - a game every other week would work for most clubs and players. I can't understand the boards need to play a load of games especially at that level. I think sometimes there's a bit of 'stop them playing something else' in it.

Lads in the local soccer club were saying they were struggling to get the 2nd and 3rds level lads to commit to a full season there too. They start in mid August and there could be games every Saturday more or less to May. A bit less would probably help them too. Rathfriland's 1st team played over 50 matches last season!

It was ok years ago to head away every Saturday or Sunday for whatever sport you play; GAA, soccer or even golf; but lads with families have less time to give nowadays. When I played reserve matches you were away for just after 12 and not back to after 5 if it was away to Downpatrick or Carryduff. There was no one welcoming you back home after that. At least with golf you can pick your own time.
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Why do clubs sign up for seconds/thirds football if they cannot field? Everyone wants what suits them nowadays - fancy a bit of seconds in march/April - I'll do that - bored in May so won't bother going. Soccer starts in August - try a bit of that. Bored in October- won't go back. Repeat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on July 31, 2023, 05:02:53 PM
There needs to be tougher sanctions
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 31, 2023, 06:25:52 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 31, 2023, 05:02:53 PM
There needs to be tougher sanctions

Like what? Club's sign up because players say then will play, so if players give up, get injured, leave to get work, family commitments ect what can the club do? They may not have enough availabile players to fulfil fixtures. What's your answer, beside tougher sanctions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on July 31, 2023, 09:00:10 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 31, 2023, 05:02:53 PM
There needs to be tougher sanctions


Bit rich coming from a man who claims to be from a club that don't even field a senior team!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on July 31, 2023, 09:12:30 PM
When do the Senior/Intermediate championship start? (Football) Will fire up the prediction competition
again this year.. Will add JFC once it gets to knockouts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on July 31, 2023, 09:26:35 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 31, 2023, 09:12:30 PM
When do the Senior/Intermediate championship start? (Football) Will fire up the prediction competition
again this year.. Will add JFC once it gets to knockouts

IFC and SFC start 24/08
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on July 31, 2023, 09:26:59 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 31, 2023, 09:12:30 PM
When do the Senior/Intermediate championship start? (Football) Will fire up the prediction competition
again this year.. Will add JFC once it gets to knockouts

24th - 28th August is round one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 31, 2023, 11:04:36 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on July 31, 2023, 04:45:09 PM


I said that 4 years ago when I stopped playing reserves - a game every other week would work for most clubs and players. I can't understand the boards need to play a load of games especially at that level. I think sometimes there's a bit of 'stop them playing something else' in it.

Lads in the local soccer club were saying they were struggling to get the 2nd and 3rds level lads to commit to a full season there too. They start in mid August and there could be games every Saturday more or less to May. A bit less would probably help them too. Rathfriland's 1st team played over 50 matches last season!

It was ok years ago to head away every Saturday or Sunday for whatever sport you play; GAA, soccer or even golf; but lads with families have less time to give nowadays. When I played reserve matches you were away for just after 12 and not back to after 5 if it was away to Downpatrick or Carryduff. There was no one welcoming you back home after that. At least with golf you can pick your own time.

Why do clubs sign up for seconds/thirds football if they cannot field? Everyone wants what suits them nowadays - fancy a bit of seconds in march/April - I'll do that - bored in May so won't bother going. Soccer starts in August - try a bit of that. Bored in October- won't go back. Repeat.
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You mustn't know the reality of adult football. Clubs hardly sign up knowing they are not going to field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on July 31, 2023, 11:07:33 PM
Quote from: clonian on July 31, 2023, 02:14:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 31, 2023, 01:35:44 PM
An 18 game season probably is too long for reserve football.

By week 9-10, most clubs can no longer win their league. And as the format and entries change year on year, relegation isn't a concern.

It takes a good 'un to drive across Down for a reserve game with nothing at stake.

I said that 4 years ago when I stopped playing reserves - a game every other week would work for most clubs and players. I can't understand the boards need to play a load of games especially at that level. I think sometimes there's a bit of 'stop them playing something else' in it.

Lads in the local soccer club were saying they were struggling to get the 2nd and 3rds level lads to commit to a full season there too. They start in mid August and there could be games every Saturday more or less to May. A bit less would probably help them too. Rathfriland's 1st team played over 50 matches last season!

It was ok years ago to head away every Saturday or Sunday for whatever sport you play; GAA, soccer or even golf; but lads with families have less time to give nowadays. When I played reserve matches you were away for just after 12 and not back to after 5 if it was away to Downpatrick or Carryduff. There was no one welcoming you back home after that. At least with golf you can pick your own time.

The County Boards recommendation and indeed their first draft calendar was for one round of fixtures. It was the clubs who pushed for two as in the last couple of years some reserve players who were not playing Senior football were finished about now as it was a one round league and knocked out first round of championship. Can't win either way it seems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clonian on August 01, 2023, 08:19:48 AM
Quote from: supersub on July 31, 2023, 11:07:33 PM
Quote from: clonian on July 31, 2023, 02:14:58 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 31, 2023, 01:35:44 PM
An 18 game season probably is too long for reserve football.

By week 9-10, most clubs can no longer win their league. And as the format and entries change year on year, relegation isn't a concern.

It takes a good 'un to drive across Down for a reserve game with nothing at stake.

I said that 4 years ago when I stopped playing reserves - a game every other week would work for most clubs and players. I can't understand the boards need to play a load of games especially at that level. I think sometimes there's a bit of 'stop them playing something else' in it.

Lads in the local soccer club were saying they were struggling to get the 2nd and 3rds level lads to commit to a full season there too. They start in mid August and there could be games every Saturday more or less to May. A bit less would probably help them too. Rathfriland's 1st team played over 50 matches last season!

It was ok years ago to head away every Saturday or Sunday for whatever sport you play; GAA, soccer or even golf; but lads with families have less time to give nowadays. When I played reserve matches you were away for just after 12 and not back to after 5 if it was away to Downpatrick or Carryduff. There was no one welcoming you back home after that. At least with golf you can pick your own time.

The County Boards recommendation and indeed their first draft calendar was for one round of fixtures. It was the clubs who pushed for two as in the last couple of years some reserve players who were not playing Senior football were finished about now as it was a one round league and knocked out first round of championship. Can't win either way it seems.

That's about the crux of it. There's been a lot of ideas threw around over the years and nothing has changed greatly over that time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 01, 2023, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on July 31, 2023, 06:25:52 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on July 31, 2023, 05:02:53 PM
There needs to be tougher sanctions

Like what? Club's sign up because players say then will play, so if players give up, get injured, leave to get work, family commitments ect what can the club do? They may not have enough availabile players to fulfil fixtures. What's your answer, beside tougher sanctions?

bigger fines
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on August 02, 2023, 10:17:12 PM
Danny Hughes has applied for the Cavan job?!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on August 03, 2023, 10:21:31 AM
with the new split season leaving teams with no access to their full panel of players for 3/4 of a league is it time to reintroduce playoffs at both end of the divisions ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on August 03, 2023, 10:57:48 AM
Quote from: ck on August 02, 2023, 10:17:12 PM
Danny Hughes has applied for the Cavan job?!

Has he managed many club teams in Down?

Does he still write for the Irish News or Gaelic Life?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 03, 2023, 11:00:56 AM
Quote from: skat man on August 03, 2023, 10:21:31 AM
with the new split season leaving teams with no access to their full panel of players for 3/4 of a league is it time to reintroduce playoffs at both end of the divisions ?

No. Two-up and Two-down is fair. Clubs would not want play-offs before a championship game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 03, 2023, 12:38:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 03, 2023, 11:00:56 AM
Quote from: skat man on August 03, 2023, 10:21:31 AM
with the new split season leaving teams with no access to their full panel of players for 3/4 of a league is it time to reintroduce playoffs at both end of the divisions ?

No. Two-up and Two-down is fair. Clubs would not want play-offs before a championship game.

Bar Kilcoo and Burren did many players miss game time for their club? Thought Laverty let most players play for their clubs if they weren't first 18 players for county?

Obvs Pierce Laverty for Saul is a big miss for them but Carryduff seemed to have done alright without Guiness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on August 03, 2023, 01:27:23 PM
carryduff have the biggest pick in down
laverty a huge miss for saul , they just missed out on promotion again
havern a huge miss for saval
downpatrick down players that would see them in promotion mix
glenn down players that would see them safe
longstone down players that would have seen them safe
clonduff down players
mayobridge down players
burren huge squad and depth
kilcoo huge squad and depth

yes players were released but take any top players out of training and the level drops across the board. take them out consistently for 7 months and the level of clubs will drop. the old rule was 5 starred games , teams didnt have their players back in training this year until gameweek 14 . county board need to push the start of the league back and have end of July and august for league games with the 9 second half of league games being played in 7 weeks . that allows 6 weeks to run the championship off to have a fortnight before the ulster campaign
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on August 03, 2023, 04:47:55 PM
Quote from: skat man on August 03, 2023, 01:27:23 PM
carryduff have the biggest pick in down
laverty a huge miss for saul , they just missed out on promotion again
havern a huge miss for saval
downpatrick down players that would see them in promotion mix
glenn down players that would see them safe
longstone down players that would have seen them safe
clonduff down players
mayobridge down players
burren huge squad and depth
kilcoo huge squad and depth

yes players were released but take any top players out of training and the level drops across the board. take them out consistently for 7 months and the level of clubs will drop. the old rule was 5 starred games , teams didnt have their players back in training this year until gameweek 14 . county board need to push the start of the league back and have end of July and august for league games with the 9 second half of league games being played in 7 weeks . that allows 6 weeks to run the championship off to have a fortnight before the ulster campaign

The league is for playing
The championship is for winning.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 04, 2023, 06:02:41 PM
I think Carryduff can win the league with a win over Loughinisland tonight.
Should have too much quality & depth for the blues.
Made a lot of progress under their current management team.
Playing good football & hard to beat at same time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 04, 2023, 09:37:46 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on August 04, 2023, 06:02:41 PM
I think Carryduff can win the league with a win over Loughinisland tonight.
Should have too much quality & depth for the blues.
Made a lot of progress under their current management team.
Playing good football & hard to beat at same time.

Mystic Meg is back!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 04, 2023, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: skat man on August 03, 2023, 01:27:23 PM
carryduff have the biggest pick in down
laverty a huge miss for saul , they just missed out on promotion again
havern a huge miss for saval
downpatrick down players that would see them in promotion mix
glenn down players that would see them safe
longstone down players that would have seen them safe
clonduff down players
mayobridge down players
burren huge squad and depth
kilcoo huge squad and depth

yes players were released but take any top players out of training and the level drops across the board. take them out consistently for 7 months and the level of clubs will drop. the old rule was 5 starred games , teams didnt have their players back in training this year until gameweek 14 . county board need to push the start of the league back and have end of July and august for league games with the 9 second half of league games being played in 7 weeks . that allows 6 weeks to run the championship off to have a fortnight before the ulster campaign

So we are pushing the start of the leagues back for 3% of the Senior footballers in the county? What about the other 97%? The club players. Split season is there for a reason.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on August 05, 2023, 12:30:07 PM
pushing the season back 3/4 weeks has lots of advantages for club players

they get a proper break rather than starting pre season before christmas like in alot of cases , players would love to start in may rather than march/april
the pitches will be in better shape for everyone with a month later start
all club players get a proper crack at their season because they would rather have their county players playing for them so they could be more competitive
teams get more competitive games together after county season ends to rejig the squad with county players involved making for a better championship.

i dont see a down side but surely someone will find one 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on August 05, 2023, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: skat man on August 05, 2023, 12:30:07 PM
pushing the season back 3/4 weeks has lots of advantages for club players

they get a proper break rather than starting pre season before christmas like in alot of cases , players would love to start in may rather than march/april
the pitches will be in better shape for everyone with a month later start
all club players get a proper crack at their season because they would rather have their county players playing for them so they could be more competitive
teams get more competitive games together after county season ends to rejig the squad with county players involved making for a better championship.

i dont see a down side but surely someone will find one
what about those players that now drop to the bench and get little to no game time because a team has their county players back? do you think they'd be happy too?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on August 05, 2023, 02:19:30 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 05, 2023, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: skat man on August 05, 2023, 12:30:07 PM
pushing the season back 3/4 weeks has lots of advantages for club players

they get a proper break rather than starting pre season before christmas like in alot of cases , players would love to start in may rather than march/april
the pitches will be in better shape for everyone with a month later start
all club players get a proper crack at their season because they would rather have their county players playing for them so they could be more competitive
teams get more competitive games together after county season ends to rejig the squad with county players involved making for a better championship.

i dont see a down side but surely someone will find one
what about those players that now drop to the bench and get little to no game time because a team has their county players back? do you think they'd be happy too?

the team would be happier and the mentioned individuals would have had half a season by the stage of county return to seal their spot, thats time enough for anyone . win/win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 05, 2023, 05:13:51 PM
Quote from: skat man on August 05, 2023, 12:30:07 PM
pushing the season back 3/4 weeks has lots of advantages for club players

they get a proper break rather than starting pre season before christmas like in alot of cases , players would love to start in may rather than march/april
the pitches will be in better shape for everyone with a month later start
all club players get a proper crack at their season because they would rather have their county players playing for them so they could be more competitive
teams get more competitive games together after county season ends to rejig the squad with county players involved making for a better championship.

i dont see a down side but surely someone will find one

The league never starts in March. April is ample time/break. It doesn't matter when pre season starts, by the time April and the brighter nights come, club players are ready to get back at it. Cramming the second half of the season into 7 weeks is unnecessary upheaval to suit a minority of players. It also isn't practical. It leaves very little flexibility for postponements, match day/date changes as all of the games would be so close together. There would be no room for a July break. The Championship wouldn't start until mid September and would need to be run off consecutively until the final and even then it is tight for Ulster. Just all too crammed together. Fine as it is. One of the best fixture setups of any county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on August 06, 2023, 09:31:55 PM
All eyes on the bottom half of Division 2 now with all other leagues settled.

Carryduff win Div 1 with Longstone & Bryansford down. A new era for the Ford to try and rebuild. They lost alot of games through small margins though and will be back

Div 2 sees Ballyholland win the league and as expected go straight back up along with The Town. The bottom half is very interesting, any one of Rostrevor, Newry Shamrocks, Glenn or Liatroim can still go down (without checking head to heads etc) be worried for Glenn and Shamrocks. Is there an issue in Glenn? Is it starred games? McParland, Miller etc very strong players, imagine they would be straight back up if went down

Div 3 looked to be going St Johns way when An Riocht dropped a point but it all comes down to an effective league final Friday night. Both teams going up so Silverware is now the prize I cant see either holding back for championship. St Pauls and Drumaness go down to div 4. St Pauls had a tough year, Tullylish and Darragh both looked like they could go down a few weeks back but Tullylish had a great run over a few weeks and Darragh picked up just enough along the way, nobody would have expected either to be in a fight for relegation.

Div 4: Finn and Bosco up. Bosco as predicated, fair play to the Finn, many wrote them off when players left and went to the town after last season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 07, 2023, 10:33:42 AM
Another weekend of reserve conceding's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 07, 2023, 04:09:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 07, 2023, 10:33:42 AM
Another weekend of reserve conceding's.

Nearly time you got over this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 08, 2023, 04:33:48 PM
On the 26th June Clonduff went to Bredagh as league contenders, since then they have only beaten Longstone and suffered 4 defeats and drew with Bryansford.
Bredagh will fancy their chances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 09, 2023, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 08, 2023, 04:33:48 PM
On the 26th June Clonduff went to Bredagh as league contenders, since then they have only beaten Longstone and suffered 4 defeats and drew with Bryansford.
Bredagh will fancy their chances.

They must have a lot of injuries at present. They won't be far away in the championship. It's impossible to predict but you could nearly write the quarter final teams on a page now for senior championship. Carryduff, Loughinisland, CPN, Burren, Kilcoo, Mayobridge, Clonduff and Ballyholland. Unless Downpatrick or Castlewellan can edge out Ballyholland - I can only see the other 7 being certs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 09, 2023, 11:00:49 AM
Why have the Senior Championship Fixtures been removed from the Down website? Anyone know where I can get them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on August 09, 2023, 02:34:09 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on August 09, 2023, 11:00:49 AM
Why have the Senior Championship Fixtures been removed from the Down website? Anyone know where I can get them?

Fixtures are on the website


2023 Morgan Fuels Down GAA Senior Football Championship
TIME   VENUE   TEAM 1       TEAM 2   REFEREE
Thursday 24th Aug 2023
7 15 PM   Darragh Cross   SAUL   vs   RGU DOWNPATRICK   TBC
Friday 25th Aug 2023
7 15 PM   Downpatrick   BREDAGH   vs   CLONDUFF   TBC
7 15 PM   Castlewellan   BALLYHOLLAND   vs   LOUGHINISLAND   TBC
Saturday 26th Aug 2023
5 00 PM   Kilcoo   MAYOBRIDGE   vs   BRYANSFORD   TBC
Sunday 27th Aug 2023
2 00 PM   Burren   GLENN   vs   SAVAL   TBC
4 30 PM   Bryansford   LONGSTONE   vs   CASTLEWELLAN   TBC
7 00 PM   Páirc Esler, Newry   CUMANN PHEADAIR NAOFA   vs   BURREN   TBC
Monday 28th Aug 2023
7 30 PM   Páirc Esler, Newry   CARRYDUFF   vs   KILCOO   TBC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 09, 2023, 03:19:37 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on August 09, 2023, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 08, 2023, 04:33:48 PM
On the 26th June Clonduff went to Bredagh as league contenders, since then they have only beaten Longstone and suffered 4 defeats and drew with Bryansford.
Bredagh will fancy their chances.

They must have a lot of injuries at present. They won't be far away in the championship. It's impossible to predict but you could nearly write the quarter final teams on a page now for senior championship. Carryduff, Loughinisland, CPN, Burren, Kilcoo, Mayobridge, Clonduff and Ballyholland. Unless Downpatrick or Castlewellan can edge out Ballyholland - I can only see the other 7 being certs.

It depends on the draw but I agree that the first seven teams named are ahead of the others. I  believe that Carryduff has joined Burren as Kilcoo's biggest contender .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 09, 2023, 03:26:08 PM
On a different side, the Underage Championships season drives people insane. Mentors and parents should be restricted from entering the wire. You don't need ten people yelling and confusing directions to children.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on August 10, 2023, 06:24:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 09, 2023, 03:26:08 PM
On a different side, the Underage Championships season drives people insane. Mentors and parents should be restricted from entering the wire. You don't need ten people yelling and confusing directions to children.

Current rules only allow the manager along the line and everyone else behind the fence line or in the Dug out zone
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 10, 2023, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 09, 2023, 03:26:08 PM
On a different side, the Underage Championships season drives people insane. Mentors and parents should be restricted from entering the wire. You don't need ten people yelling and confusing directions to children.

Is this an issue with any clubs in particular?
Maybe your own?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on August 10, 2023, 11:23:18 PM
It's an issue with every club, not every coach, parent or team but it's in every club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on August 11, 2023, 09:45:01 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 11, 2023, 10:25:47 AM
Does anyone have a list of dates for senior , intermediate and junior football? Is there a free weekend in September?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 11, 2023, 04:36:24 PM
Current rules don't state a manager only on the line? 3 people are allowed in the dug out area which should be marked but few clubs have it zoned, akin to the soccer pitches. I've not been at any underage games where parents are parading inside the wire. Maybe this happens where smaller pitches are used like u11 etc

But you are right, the noise levels from non-coaches during games is insane now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 13, 2023, 02:11:50 PM
Down defence was well drilled; kick-outs well organised; the goal was the game-changer, and really well-taken. Hope this team stays together, we haven't recovered form the mass retirements after the intermediate win in 2015 (hope I have that date right)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on August 13, 2023, 03:06:54 PM
Quote from: befair on August 13, 2023, 02:11:50 PM
Down defence was well drilled; kick-outs well organised; the goal was the game-changer, and really well-taken. Hope this team stays together, we haven't recovered form the mass retirements after the intermediate win in 2015 (hope I have that date right)
Was 2014.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 13, 2023, 04:29:29 PM
Great to see the girls win today, know they've put in a lot of work all year to get back to intermediate, well done players and management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 13, 2023, 10:58:00 PM
Ballycran laying down a marker with a good scalp over Portaferry.

Be interesting to see if Bredagh just has an off day against Liatroim last week and if  they're able to pick up against Ballygalget where they left off last year. Might be looking like the work they've put in over the last few years is coming to a bit of a halt for a while.

Also be interesting to see the difference in Newry Shamrocks and Liatroim tomorrow; wasn't much between them in the Intermediate Championship over the past few years, but feels like Liatroim really have come on whilst Shamrocks have sort of froze. Not outside the realms of possibility for Liatroim to reach a Senior Championship Final. Not bad for a South Down team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 13, 2023, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on August 06, 2023, 09:31:55 PM
All eyes on the bottom half of Division 2 now with all other leagues settled.

Carryduff win Div 1 with Longstone & Bryansford down. A new era for the Ford to try and rebuild. They lost alot of games through small margins though and will be back

Div 2 sees Ballyholland win the league and as expected go straight back up along with The Town. The bottom half is very interesting, any one of Rostrevor, Newry Shamrocks, Glenn or Liatroim can still go down (without checking head to heads etc) be worried for Glenn and Shamrocks. Is there an issue in Glenn? Is it starred games? McParland, Miller etc very strong players, imagine they would be straight back up if went down

Div 3 looked to be going St Johns way when An Riocht dropped a point but it all comes down to an effective league final Friday night. Both teams going up so Silverware is now the prize I cant see either holding back for championship. St Pauls and Drumaness go down to div 4. St Pauls had a tough year, Tullylish and Darragh both looked like they could go down a few weeks back but Tullylish had a great run over a few weeks and Darragh picked up just enough along the way, nobody would have expected either to be in a fight for relegation.

Div 4: Finn and Bosco up. Bosco as predicated, fair play to the Finn, many wrote them off when players left and went to the town after last season



Glenn have had a couple of issues this year.
County players were a big miss; had a lot of players involved with Down- more than you would expect from a Division 2 side. McParland, for example, is a big, big loss alone, let alone missing the likes of O'Hare as well.
Lot of lads suffering with injuries, couple lads in America or off travelling,  few lads focused on hurling with Ballyvarley.
The big thing has been the struggle to maintain numbers. 
Wasn't too many fellas coming through from underage this year to compensate for the loss of key names.
   
Glenn are more than capable of staying in the Senior Championship, and will be interesting to see if they retain Senior status whilst playing in Division 3.
You would expect it to be a straight down/straight back up job, but I wouldn't be resting on my laurels, either. A full Glenn squad with some of those top names would be well fit to come back up, but who knows what way the situation will be next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 14, 2023, 09:14:43 AM
Quote from: Splash on August 13, 2023, 10:58:00 PM
Ballycran laying down a marker with a good scalp over Portaferry.

Be interesting to see if Bredagh just has an off day against Liatroim last week and if  they're able to pick up against Ballygalget where they left off last year. Might be looking like the work they've put in over the last few years is coming to a bit of a halt for a while.

Also be interesting to see the difference in Newry Shamrocks and Liatroim tomorrow; wasn't much between them in the Intermediate Championship over the past few years, but feels like Liatroim really have come on whilst Shamrocks have sort of froze. Not outside the realms of possibility for Liatroim to reach a Senior Championship Final. Not bad for a South Down team.

Ballycran are well organised and are more or less guaranteed a home semi-final for now, Liatroim could be the surprise package this year, a final is not beyond them, but will depend who they get in a semi-final. They've a few more "transfers" into their ranks and the highest paid management team in Down hurling..  ;)
We're screwed if we get a few injuries to key players like we did against Ballycran but we're hopeful of having three of them back for tonight, which is a must win game for us even at this stage. Bredagh have had a poor league campaign, struggling with injuries as well I believe, but the tight council pitch will suit them.

Ports won't be too concerned about the defeat yesterday, they'd a wedding in the parish this weekend so a few players preparation was less than ideal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 14, 2023, 12:32:58 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 14, 2023, 09:14:43 AM
Quote from: Splash on August 13, 2023, 10:58:00 PM
Ballycran laying down a marker with a good scalp over Portaferry.

Be interesting to see if Bredagh just has an off day against Liatroim last week and if  they're able to pick up against Ballygalget where they left off last year. Might be looking like the work they've put in over the last few years is coming to a bit of a halt for a while.

Also be interesting to see the difference in Newry Shamrocks and Liatroim tomorrow; wasn't much between them in the Intermediate Championship over the past few years, but feels like Liatroim really have come on whilst Shamrocks have sort of froze. Not outside the realms of possibility for Liatroim to reach a Senior Championship Final. Not bad for a South Down team.

Ballycran are well organised and are more or less guaranteed a home semi-final for now, Liatroim could be the surprise package this year, a final is not beyond them, but will depend who they get in a semi-final. They've a few more "transfers" into their ranks and the highest paid management team in Down hurling..  ;)
We're screwed if we get a few injuries to key players like we did against Ballycran but we're hopeful of having three of them back for tonight, which is a must win game for us even at this stage. Bredagh have had a poor league campaign, struggling with injuries as well I believe, but the tight council pitch will suit them.

Ports won't be too concerned about the defeat yesterday, they'd a wedding in the parish this weekend so a few players preparation was less than ideal.


Didn't think there was much between Ballycran and Port last year and it doesn't seem like one has pulled away this year, either. Any word how Sheehan is getting on with Ballycran? Heard he scored a late goal yesterday to secure the win.

Thought this could be the year Ballygalget came back as strong as ever. Heard great things about them at the start of the year and they were flying in Antrim. What's happened them in the past few years where they've ended up a wee bit off Ballycran and Portaferry?

Heard Bredagh really were struggling with injuries, lads away etc. From what I've seen of Bredagh this year think Ballygalget will have too much for them to cope with.

Not much to say about Liatroim other than they are a very well oiled machine atm. Transfers will obviously be a great help this year, McCusker a top, top player, but even without all that, they have a very good group right now.

Could be a bleak year for Newry Shamrocks. You have to wonder how much they relied on Paul Sheehan. Would be a pity to see all the work they've put in over the past few years suddenly come undone. 

Good to see the Senior Championship growing and being competitive- can only benefit Down hurling in the long run.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on August 14, 2023, 01:49:40 PM
Who are the transfers into Liatroim? They always had the potential, sometimes need a outside manager to bring it together
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 14, 2023, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: dingle82 on August 14, 2023, 01:49:40 PM
Who are the transfers into Liatroim? They always had the potential, sometimes need a outside manager to bring it together

I think the other Murphy is back from his travels and playing for them as well as Ryan McCusker from Ballela who's sanctioned from a football club I believe. Don't know how that works!

They fancy giving it a right good rattle and they might just do that, but defensively they might struggle against Portaferry and Ballycran.

Paul Sheehan is going well for Ballycran and not just from dead balls. He's a good acquisition for them.

I still think the final will be between them and Portaferry.

We need a clean bill of health and with 5 games in quick succession before even a semi-final is a big ask on a small panel. Jordan Doran is out for another few weeks at the least with a knee injury, John McManus shouldn't be playing tonight, but we'll see, Prenter might be OK even with going off injured last Sunday, one of the Coulters hasn't played for the better part of two years with a hip issue, he trained yesterday though with the full panel so might make an appearance tonight. Fully fit he's one of our best players and has been a big loss. Lose a senior standard hurler and we're replacing them with weak enough hurlers, some young enough age wise and have lots to learn.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 14, 2023, 04:29:49 PM
Liatroim definitely have the physicality and attacking ability to compete with the Ards teams, but as you say, defensively they may struggle.

All the same, I imagine they'll definitely fancy their chances against anyone, and Ballygalget could be a big scalp for them. Be interesting to see how they get on.

Would have Ballycran as favourites followed closely by Portaferry. On the day I think Ballycran are just the better team. Especially now with another top level hurler in Sheehan if he has settled in well.

Some big losses for Ballygalget there alright. Missing on me top player would be bad enough on its own, but missing all those lads sounds like it could be a tough year for Ballygalget.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on August 14, 2023, 04:51:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 14, 2023, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: dingle82 on August 14, 2023, 01:49:40 PM
Who are the transfers into Liatroim? They always had the potential, sometimes need a outside manager to bring it together

I think the other Murphy is back from his travels and playing for them as well as Ryan McCusker from Ballela who's sanctioned from a football club I believe. Don't know how that works!

They fancy giving it a right good rattle and they might just do that, but defensively they might struggle against Portaferry and Ballycran.

Paul Sheehan is going well for Ballycran and not just from dead balls. He's a good acquisition for them.

I still think the final will be between them and Portaferry.

We need a clean bill of health and with 5 games in quick succession before even a semi-final is a big ask on a small panel. Jordan Doran is out for another few weeks at the least with a knee injury, John McManus shouldn't be playing tonight, but we'll see, Prenter might be OK even with going off injured last Sunday, one of the Coulters hasn't played for the better part of two years with a hip issue, he trained yesterday though with the full panel so might make an appearance tonight. Fully fit he's one of our best players and has been a big loss. Lose a senior standard hurler and we're replacing them with weak enough hurlers, some young enough age wise and have lots to learn.

How come Sheehan has moved to the Cran? Works? Missus?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 14, 2023, 05:53:05 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on August 14, 2023, 04:51:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 14, 2023, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: dingle82 on August 14, 2023, 01:49:40 PM
Who are the transfers into Liatroim? They always had the potential, sometimes need a outside manager to bring it together

I think the other Murphy is back from his travels and playing for them as well as Ryan McCusker from Ballela who's sanctioned from a football club I believe. Don't know how that works!

They fancy giving it a right good rattle and they might just do that, but defensively they might struggle against Portaferry and Ballycran.

Paul Sheehan is going well for Ballycran and not just from dead balls. He's a good acquisition for them.

I still think the final will be between them and Portaferry.

We need a clean bill of health and with 5 games in quick succession before even a semi-final is a big ask on a small panel. Jordan Doran is out for another few weeks at the least with a knee injury, John McManus shouldn't be playing tonight, but we'll see, Prenter might be OK even with going off injured last Sunday, one of the Coulters hasn't played for the better part of two years with a hip issue, he trained yesterday though with the full panel so might make an appearance tonight. Fully fit he's one of our best players and has been a big loss. Lose a senior standard hurler and we're replacing them with weak enough hurlers, some young enough age wise and have lots to learn.

How come Sheehan has moved to the Cran? Works? Missus?

Girlfriend is a young Keith...

I hope Brendan Rodgers (SN and Derry) doesn't do the same  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 15, 2023, 01:00:55 AM
Ballygalget come out of Belfast with the points. Not much in it in the end. 

Liatroim continue the good run of form and put Shamrocks to the sword in Newry. Apparently was very close in the first half and took Liatroim some time to click and get going.

All the same, would still fancy them to rattle Ballygalget.

Great to see two South Down teams play in the Senior Championship; hopefully South Down hurling continues to grow.

Think the results mean both Shamrocks and Bredagh will be playing in the Intermediate  Semi-Finals (bar an upset against Ballycran or Portaferry). Would say Clonduff would fancy a crack at Shamrocks and Bredagh/Carryduff would be a great derby match.

Think Carryduff will have too much for anyone in the intermediate to deal with, including Bredagh and Shamrocks. Considering they've been neck and neck with Liatroim over the past few years,  an Ulster Title or even an Intermediate All Ireland isnt out of the realms of possibility. They came the closest to beating Liatroim until they were knocked out by Tooreen in the All Ireland Semi Final. Carryduff seem to be coming into a good era of hurling with success at underage levels, and a hurling All Ireland of any type would no doubt do great things for the game in Belfast and North Down, as well as the rest of the county.

Also great to see East Belfast's John Dornan taking charge of the game between Liatroim and Newry Shamrocks, his first Senior Championship match. A great achievement for the club.

Great progress for Down hurling when we have an East Belfast referee taking charge of a Senior Championship match between two South Down teams in a competitive six team championship. Great that the game is growing in the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on August 15, 2023, 09:18:59 AM
Ya great to see the progress in Down hurling over past few years at club and county level. Good to see Saul, EB & Mournes trying to promote it along with Football.
In relation to transfer, McCusker plays for Ballela and would have been sanctioned to play football for Drumgath, don't get how he could play for a different club tbh
Glad Sheehan is going well, he never did much from play at Junior or Intermediate level but always looked a player would come into the play better when playing at higher standard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 15, 2023, 09:57:55 AM
Quote from: Splash on August 15, 2023, 01:00:55 AM
Ballygalget come out of Belfast with the points. Not much in it in the end. 

Liatroim continue the good run of form and put Shamrocks to the sword in Newry. Apparently was very close in the first half and took Liatroim some time to click and get going.

All the same, would still fancy them to rattle Ballygalget.

Great to see two South Down teams play in the Senior Championship; hopefully South Down hurling continues to grow.

Think the results mean both Shamrocks and Bredagh will be playing in the Intermediate  Semi-Finals (bar an upset against Ballycran or Portaferry). Would say Clonduff would fancy a crack at Shamrocks and Bredagh/Carryduff would be a great derby match.

Think Carryduff will have too much for anyone in the intermediate to deal with, including Bredagh and Shamrocks. Considering they've been neck and neck with Liatroim over the past few years,  an Ulster Title or even an Intermediate All Ireland isnt out of the realms of possibility. They came the closest to beating Liatroim until they were knocked out by Tooreen in the All Ireland Semi Final. Carryduff seem to be coming into a good era of hurling with success at underage levels, and a hurling All Ireland of any type would no doubt do great things for the game in Belfast and North Down, as well as the rest of the county.

Also great to see East Belfast's John Dornan taking charge of the game between Liatroim and Newry Shamrocks, his first Senior Championship match. A great achievement for the club.

Great progress for Down hurling when we have an East Belfast referee taking charge of a Senior Championship match between two South Down teams in a competitive six team championship. Great that the game is growing in the county.

If we play like we did last night Liatroim will beat us handy enough and that's not taking anything away from Bredagh who are shorn of a lot of their better hurlers for various reasons yet still made a game of it, but lacked that cutting edge to take full advantage of our poor hurling. One more injury to a key player for us to contend with and a few discipline issues in the camp to iron out as well I believe...

We've Newry in Newry and then the Ports at home before we face Liatroim in a neutral venue.
If we get over Newry and other results go as expected then our game v Liatroim will only decide who we get in the semi-finals at their venue.

Liatroim will get a better idea of where they're at on Sunday over in Portaferry, that's a game Portaferry will need to win to keep a home semi-final slot in their own hands.

Dornan is a good referee, we'd him in a minor league final, rightly sent one of our lads off.

I'll need Truth hurts to confirm, but are Liatroim not officially an East Down club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SamFever on August 15, 2023, 10:40:56 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 15, 2023, 09:57:55 AM
Quote from: Splash on August 15, 2023, 01:00:55 AM
Ballygalget come out of Belfast with the points. Not much in it in the end. 

Liatroim continue the good run of form and put Shamrocks to the sword in Newry. Apparently was very close in the first half and took Liatroim some time to click and get going.

All the same, would still fancy them to rattle Ballygalget.

Great to see two South Down teams play in the Senior Championship; hopefully South Down hurling continues to grow.

Think the results mean both Shamrocks and Bredagh will be playing in the Intermediate  Semi-Finals (bar an upset against Ballycran or Portaferry). Would say Clonduff would fancy a crack at Shamrocks and Bredagh/Carryduff would be a great derby match.

Think Carryduff will have too much for anyone in the intermediate to deal with, including Bredagh and Shamrocks. Considering they've been neck and neck with Liatroim over the past few years,  an Ulster Title or even an Intermediate All Ireland isnt out of the realms of possibility. They came the closest to beating Liatroim until they were knocked out by Tooreen in the All Ireland Semi Final. Carryduff seem to be coming into a good era of hurling with success at underage levels, and a hurling All Ireland of any type would no doubt do great things for the game in Belfast and North Down, as well as the rest of the county.

Also great to see East Belfast's John Dornan taking charge of the game between Liatroim and Newry Shamrocks, his first Senior Championship match. A great achievement for the club.

Great progress for Down hurling when we have an East Belfast referee taking charge of a Senior Championship match between two South Down teams in a competitive six team championship. Great that the game is growing in the county.

If we play like we did last night Liatroim will beat us handy enough and that's not taking anything away from Bredagh who are shorn of a lot of their better hurlers for various reasons yet still made a game of it, but lacked that cutting edge to take full advantage of our poor hurling. One more injury to a key player for us to contend with and a few discipline issues in the camp to iron out as well I believe...

We've Newry in Newry and then the Ports at home before we face Liatroim in a neutral venue.
If we get over Newry and other results go as expected then our game v Liatroim will only decide who we get in the semi-finals at their venue.

Liatroim will get a better idea of where they're at on Sunday over in Portaferry, that's a game Portaferry will need to win to keep a home semi-final slot in their own hands.

Dornan is a good referee, we'd him in a minor league final, rightly sent one of our lads off.

I'll need Truth hurts to confirm, but are Liatroim not officially an East Down club?
TH-the Expert on all things Down😜
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 15, 2023, 11:22:22 AM
I remember playing against liatroim in the East Down Reserve League, but I don't recall playing against them at underage level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 15, 2023, 11:40:01 AM
3 new hurling clubs in 3 years isn't bad going at all for Down. Hopeuflly Saul and the Mournes get established and can compete the way East Belfast do. Be a great pity if they just fizzled out. Hopefully the trend continues- be great to see the likes of Glenn, Saval, Bryansford, Darragh Cross etc. offering hurling in their respective areas.

Imagine given the current form, Ballygalget will handle Newry alright.
Liatroim v Ports very interesting game, real opportunity for Liatroim to shock the system, but defence will find it difficult to handle forwards of portaferrys quality.

Officially Liatroim are an East Down club as far as I know (think the line is around Hilltown?) but we all know in regards to hurling,  anything this side of the water is South Down, and then obviously the Ards. May need a new categorisation system, though, if the clubs around Belfast continue to grow.

North Down board, maybe?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on August 15, 2023, 12:57:36 PM
Quote from: Splash on August 15, 2023, 11:40:01 AM
3 new hurling clubs in 3 years isn't bad going at all for Down. Hopeuflly Saul and the Mournes get established and can compete the way East Belfast do. Be a great pity if they just fizzled out. Hopefully the trend continues- be great to see the likes of Glenn, Saval, Bryansford, Darragh Cross etc. offering hurling in their respective areas.

Imagine given the current form, Ballygalget will handle Newry alright.
Liatroim v Ports very interesting game, real opportunity for Liatroim to shock the system, but defence will find it difficult to handle forwards of portaferrys quality.

Officially Liatroim are an East Down club as far as I know (think the line is around Hilltown?) but we all know in regards to hurling,  anything this side of the water is South Down, and then obviously the Ards. May need a new categorisation system, though, if the clubs around Belfast continue to grow.

North Down board, maybe?

Do regional boards still apply in most counties?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 17, 2023, 10:47:47 PM
Pre championship injuries strikes again for a few clubs.. John McGeough Carryduff, Paddy Smyth Mayobridge, Darragh Mussen & Eoghan Loughran Burren, Conor Murray Clonduff, Chris Clarke Ford, Harrison Longstone.. nightmare..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 18, 2023, 03:24:59 PM
Intermediate and Junior Hurling Championships start tomorrow.

Carryduff take on Clonduff and Ballela host Warrenpoint in the Intermediate.

Hard to see past Carryduff winning the whole thing. The club  is seriously growing as a hurling outfit and Senior Championship is definitely where they want to be.

Clonduff probably the closest to Carryduff if they're firing on their day and have a full squad, but hard to see them coming away with the win. Seems a lot of lads have focused solely on the football, but if they do put out a full force team, there's potential to give Carryduff a bit of a bloody nose. Also see Clonduff have a transfer from Carryduff in their ranks, so I'm sure that'll be interesting.

Could be a bad, bad year for Ballela. Only two years ago they won back to back junior championships, and now this year they have come seriously close to folding. Absolutely disastrous league campaign; couldn't field half the time and conceded a lot of goals every match before finishing bottom of the table. That was against Div 2 and Junior Championship standard teams- Intermediate may be a different storm altogether.  In  saying that, if there was a team they would fancy the chances against it would probably be the Point at home. If Ballela have all available lads fit, they could stand up for themselves. a very physical team with a couple great hurlers.

Hope the club pulls through this hard time, they've been an important team in South Down for a long time now, and see they have some good stuff at underage joined up with Ballyvarley. You have to wonder what the future would hold for the two clubs- an amalgamated Ballyvarley/Ballela team could be a dangerous outfit, but there would surely be a lot of objection from lads in each club.

Warrenpoint will be relishing the opportunity of Intermediate Hurling, and will fancy their chances of reaching a final. They'll have no fear of Ballela, beat Clonduff well in the league, and would love a chance to show up Newry Shamrocks in a semi final. Some serious good forwards at their disposal, and you would fancy them to stay up in the intermediate. Beat Castlewellen a few weeks ago, so clearly haven't regressed since the junior final last year. Would be great to see hurling growing in Warrenpoint, a decent sized down with a catchment area that would have some great athletes- really would expect them to be flying over the coming years.

The Junior Championship is unbelievably open- perhaps one of the most open championships in Ireland.

First game of the championship is perhaps the most interesting- Ballyvarley head out to take on Castlewellen. Castlewellen will be favourites to win the whole thing. An incredible league campaign where they marched through everybody in front of them, including Ballyvarley. Some lads with great skill, and a team that seem to be very well oiled. Dangerous forward, too, in the form of Croskery.
Probably have the best support outside the Ards, seem to bring a crowd anywhere they go and with it being at home, imagine the support will be huge. The strongest team in the county at underage, so it doesn't seem like the good times will end any time soon, either. Great to see and hopefully they can bring a lot to the County Scene in years to come.

Despite all this, Ballyvarley seriously fancying their chances. Last time these teams played, Castelwellen scored a last minute goal to come away with a 1 point win. That will have a left a very bad taste in the mouth. Ballyvarley have been absolutely flying, a great league (which they could have won), and have been on a terrific run of form lately beating some strong teams such as Carrcikmacross and NCC. Potentially the most physical team in the Junior Championship, which won't suit Castelwellen. Danny Magee strong contender for best player in the junior championship, and if they rattle home a few goals in the first few minutes as they seem to have made a habit of doing recently, Castlewellen may begin to sweat. Key difference for me is Castlewellen seem to have gone hammer and tongs at the first leg of the league and potentially peaked, seeing as the second leg of the league and pre championship games haven't been on par, whereas Ballyvarley seem to have been quietly going from strength to strength. Ballyvarley seem to have good stuff going through like Ballela at underage with the O'Rahilly's and Saint Pat's. Again, you'd wonder how they'd get on amalgamated with Ballela at senior level.
Castlewellen favourites for tomorrow, but Ballyvarley will want to rattle them. Don't be surprised to see both teams face each other in October in the County Final.

Kilclief v East Belfast will be interesting. Kilclief will seriously fancy their chances at winning the whole thing after managing to stay up in Div 1, and East Belfast at home in the first round is a great draw for them. Probably the club that will suffer the most from strains placed on dual players. Will love to get off to a flying start, tomorrow, and won't fear anyone in the JHC.

East Belfast could be the surprise of the championship. Had a great league, although, like Castlewellen, the second half didn't live up to the first. New management team seems to be doing a very good job with them. The folding of Henry Joys also seems to have added a couple decent players. Were never that far off Castlewellen this year, goals separating teams, etc.
Potentially the best goal keeper in the championship, so could be interesting when they host Castlewellen.
Beat Ballyvarley in the first game of the year, although Ballyvarley were far too strong for them the second time they met. Despite this, East Belfast will see it as winnable game, especially since it's the last round robin match and may be fore a place in the final.
Great players all over the pitch, although the team definitely doesn't have age on their side and don't have that natural bond that comes with fellas playing together for years.
The sheer depth of their squad will no doubt be a great aid to them.
If Ryan McMullan is available he's probably their most dangerous hurler, and you'd back him to score a goal or two.
Definitely seems the forwards are stronger than their backs, so will be interesting to see if East Belfast manage to keep the scoreboard ticking over, or will they be chasing Kilclief.
Great to see they seem to be getting established now, especially with their new pitch a few weeks ago. Hopefully a great asset for Down Hurling to tap into that massive population in Belfast in the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 18, 2023, 03:44:16 PM
Great insight Splash. Good to see hurling spreading its wings throughout the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: nearlymad on August 18, 2023, 05:10:05 PM
Quote from: Splash on August 18, 2023, 03:24:59 PM
Intermediate and Junior Hurling Championships start tomorrow.

Carryduff take on Clonduff and Ballela host Warrenpoint in the Intermediate.

Hard to see past Carryduff winning the whole thing. The club  is seriously growing as a hurling outfit and Senior Championship is definitely where they want to be.

Clonduff probably the closest to Carryduff if they're firing on their day and have a full squad, but hard to see them coming away with the win. Seems a lot of lads have focused solely on the football, but if they do put out a full force team, there's potential to give Carryduff a bit of a bloody nose. Also see Clonduff have a transfer from Carryduff in their ranks, so I'm sure that'll be interesting.

Could be a bad, bad year for Ballela. Only two years ago they won back to back junior championships, and now this year they have come seriously close to folding. Absolutely disastrous league campaign; couldn't field half the time and conceded a lot of goals every match before finishing bottom of the table. That was against Div 2 and Junior Championship standard teams- Intermediate may be a different storm altogether.  In  saying that, if there was a team they would fancy the chances against it would probably be the Point at home. If Ballela have all available lads fit, they could stand up for themselves. a very physical team with a couple great hurlers.

Hope the club pulls through this hard time, they've been an important team in South Down for a long time now, and see they have some good stuff at underage joined up with Ballyvarley. You have to wonder what the future would hold for the two clubs- an amalgamated Ballyvarley/Ballela team could be a dangerous outfit, but there would surely be a lot of objection from lads in each club.

Warrenpoint will be relishing the opportunity of Intermediate Hurling, and will fancy their chances of reaching a final. They'll have no fear of Ballela, beat Clonduff well in the league, and would love a chance to show up Newry Shamrocks in a semi final. Some serious good forwards at their disposal, and you would fancy them to stay up in the intermediate. Beat Castlewellen a few weeks ago, so clearly haven't regressed since the junior final last year. Would be great to see hurling growing in Warrenpoint, a decent sized down with a catchment area that would have some great athletes- really would expect them to be flying over the coming years.

The Junior Championship is unbelievably open- perhaps one of the most open championships in Ireland.

First game of the championship is perhaps the most interesting- Ballyvarley head out to take on Castlewellen. Castlewellen will be favourites to win the whole thing. An incredible league campaign where they marched through everybody in front of them, including Ballyvarley. Some lads with great skill, and a team that seem to be very well oiled. Dangerous forward, too, in the form of Croskery.
Probably have the best support outside the Ards, seem to bring a crowd anywhere they go and with it being at home, imagine the support will be huge. The strongest team in the county at underage, so it doesn't seem like the good times will end any time soon, either. Great to see and hopefully they can bring a lot to the County Scene in years to come.

Despite all this, Ballyvarley seriously fancying their chances. Last time these teams played, Castelwellen scored a last minute goal to come away with a 1 point win. That will have a left a very bad taste in the mouth. Ballyvarley have been absolutely flying, a great league (which they could have won), and have been on a terrific run of form lately beating some strong teams such as Carrcikmacross and NCC. Potentially the most physical team in the Junior Championship, which won't suit Castelwellen. Danny Magee strong contender for best player in the junior championship, and if they rattle home a few goals in the first few minutes as they seem to have made a habit of doing recently, Castlewellen may begin to sweat. Key difference for me is Castlewellen seem to have gone hammer and tongs at the first leg of the league and potentially peaked, seeing as the second leg of the league and pre championship games haven't been on par, whereas Ballyvarley seem to have been quietly going from strength to strength. Ballyvarley seem to have good stuff going through like Ballela at underage with the O'Rahilly's and Saint Pat's. Again, you'd wonder how they'd get on amalgamated with Ballela at senior level.
Castlewellen favourites for tomorrow, but Ballyvarley will want to rattle them. Don't be surprised to see both teams face each other in October in the County Final.

Kilclief v East Belfast will be interesting. Kilclief will seriously fancy their chances at winning the whole thing after managing to stay up in Div 1, and East Belfast at home in the first round is a great draw for them. Probably the club that will suffer the most from strains placed on dual players. Will love to get off to a flying start, tomorrow, and won't fear anyone in the JHC.

East Belfast could be the surprise of the championship. Had a great league, although, like Castlewellen, the second half didn't live up to the first. New management team seems to be doing a very good job with them. The folding of Henry Joys also seems to have added a couple decent players. Were never that far off Castlewellen this year, goals separating teams, etc.
Potentially the best goal keeper in the championship, so could be interesting when they host Castlewellen.
Beat Ballyvarley in the first game of the year, although Ballyvarley were far too strong for them the second time they met. Despite this, East Belfast will see it as winnable game, especially since it's the last round robin match and may be fore a place in the final.
Great players all over the pitch, although the team definitely doesn't have age on their side and don't have that natural bond that comes with fellas playing together for years.
The sheer depth of their squad will no doubt be a great aid to them.
If Ryan McMullan is available he's probably their most dangerous hurler, and you'd back him to score a goal or two.
Definitely seems the forwards are stronger than their backs, so will be interesting to see if East Belfast manage to keep the scoreboard ticking over, or will they be chasing Kilclief.
Great to see they seem to be getting established now, especially with their new pitch a few weeks ago. Hopefully a great asset for Down Hurling to tap into that massive population in Belfast in the future.

    Where is the new pitch?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 18, 2023, 05:50:41 PM
Quote from: ardtole on August 18, 2023, 03:44:16 PM
Great insight Splash. Good to see hurling spreading its wings throughout the county.

Hopefully it continues to. If Down tapped into a few more areas it could do great things for the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 18, 2023, 05:53:23 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on August 18, 2023, 05:10:05 PM
Quote from: Splash on August 18, 2023, 03:24:59 PM
Intermediate and Junior Hurling Championships start tomorrow.

Carryduff take on Clonduff and Ballela host Warrenpoint in the Intermediate.

Hard to see past Carryduff winning the whole thing. The club  is seriously growing as a hurling outfit and Senior Championship is definitely where they want to be.

Clonduff probably the closest to Carryduff if they're firing on their day and have a full squad, but hard to see them coming away with the win. Seems a lot of lads have focused solely on the football, but if they do put out a full force team, there's potential to give Carryduff a bit of a bloody nose. Also see Clonduff have a transfer from Carryduff in their ranks, so I'm sure that'll be interesting.

Could be a bad, bad year for Ballela. Only two years ago they won back to back junior championships, and now this year they have come seriously close to folding. Absolutely disastrous league campaign; couldn't field half the time and conceded a lot of goals every match before finishing bottom of the table. That was against Div 2 and Junior Championship standard teams- Intermediate may be a different storm altogether.  In  saying that, if there was a team they would fancy the chances against it would probably be the Point at home. If Ballela have all available lads fit, they could stand up for themselves. a very physical team with a couple great hurlers.

Hope the club pulls through this hard time, they've been an important team in South Down for a long time now, and see they have some good stuff at underage joined up with Ballyvarley. You have to wonder what the future would hold for the two clubs- an amalgamated Ballyvarley/Ballela team could be a dangerous outfit, but there would surely be a lot of objection from lads in each club.

Warrenpoint will be relishing the opportunity of Intermediate Hurling, and will fancy their chances of reaching a final. They'll have no fear of Ballela, beat Clonduff well in the league, and would love a chance to show up Newry Shamrocks in a semi final. Some serious good forwards at their disposal, and you would fancy them to stay up in the intermediate. Beat Castlewellen a few weeks ago, so clearly haven't regressed since the junior final last year. Would be great to see hurling growing in Warrenpoint, a decent sized down with a catchment area that would have some great athletes- really would expect them to be flying over the coming years.

The Junior Championship is unbelievably open- perhaps one of the most open championships in Ireland.

First game of the championship is perhaps the most interesting- Ballyvarley head out to take on Castlewellen. Castlewellen will be favourites to win the whole thing. An incredible league campaign where they marched through everybody in front of them, including Ballyvarley. Some lads with great skill, and a team that seem to be very well oiled. Dangerous forward, too, in the form of Croskery.
Probably have the best support outside the Ards, seem to bring a crowd anywhere they go and with it being at home, imagine the support will be huge. The strongest team in the county at underage, so it doesn't seem like the good times will end any time soon, either. Great to see and hopefully they can bring a lot to the County Scene in years to come.

Despite all this, Ballyvarley seriously fancying their chances. Last time these teams played, Castelwellen scored a last minute goal to come away with a 1 point win. That will have a left a very bad taste in the mouth. Ballyvarley have been absolutely flying, a great league (which they could have won), and have been on a terrific run of form lately beating some strong teams such as Carrcikmacross and NCC. Potentially the most physical team in the Junior Championship, which won't suit Castelwellen. Danny Magee strong contender for best player in the junior championship, and if they rattle home a few goals in the first few minutes as they seem to have made a habit of doing recently, Castlewellen may begin to sweat. Key difference for me is Castlewellen seem to have gone hammer and tongs at the first leg of the league and potentially peaked, seeing as the second leg of the league and pre championship games haven't been on par, whereas Ballyvarley seem to have been quietly going from strength to strength. Ballyvarley seem to have good stuff going through like Ballela at underage with the O'Rahilly's and Saint Pat's. Again, you'd wonder how they'd get on amalgamated with Ballela at senior level.
Castlewellen favourites for tomorrow, but Ballyvarley will want to rattle them. Don't be surprised to see both teams face each other in October in the County Final.

Kilclief v East Belfast will be interesting. Kilclief will seriously fancy their chances at winning the whole thing after managing to stay up in Div 1, and East Belfast at home in the first round is a great draw for them. Probably the club that will suffer the most from strains placed on dual players. Will love to get off to a flying start, tomorrow, and won't fear anyone in the JHC.

East Belfast could be the surprise of the championship. Had a great league, although, like Castlewellen, the second half didn't live up to the first. New management team seems to be doing a very good job with them. The folding of Henry Joys also seems to have added a couple decent players. Were never that far off Castlewellen this year, goals separating teams, etc.
Potentially the best goal keeper in the championship, so could be interesting when they host Castlewellen.
Beat Ballyvarley in the first game of the year, although Ballyvarley were far too strong for them the second time they met. Despite this, East Belfast will see it as winnable game, especially since it's the last round robin match and may be fore a place in the final.
Great players all over the pitch, although the team definitely doesn't have age on their side and don't have that natural bond that comes with fellas playing together for years.
The sheer depth of their squad will no doubt be a great aid to them.
If Ryan McMullan is available he's probably their most dangerous hurler, and you'd back him to score a goal or two.
Definitely seems the forwards are stronger than their backs, so will be interesting to see if East Belfast manage to keep the scoreboard ticking over, or will they be chasing Kilclief.
Great to see they seem to be getting established now, especially with their new pitch a few weeks ago. Hopefully a great asset for Down Hurling to tap into that massive population in Belfast in the future.

    Where is the new pitch?

Henry Jones. Between Four Winds/Castlereagh part of the world.
The club's been using it for a very long time but good to see they finally have a proper, dedicated section with goalposts, etc. for GAA use.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 19, 2023, 11:03:55 PM
Good day of Senior Hurling tomorrow. Newry Shamrocks need to upset Ballygalget to realistically have any chance of preserving senior status. Both teams seem to be at a bit of a low, so wouldn't expect it to be the prettiest of games. You would imagine Ballygalget will simply have too much for Shamrocks, but you never know. Be interesting if Ballygalget are unlucky enough to end up in the Intermediate how they'd fair on an All Ireland run.

Bredagh v Ballycran should be a good game, with nothing too much of note to mention. Would expect Ballycran to come away with the win, but think Bredagh can give a good showing.

Portaferry v Liatroim should be a great game. Massive opportunity for Liatroim. Would expect Portaferry to come away with the win, but  Liatroim are flying and won't have any fear. Pearse Óg McCrickard potentially the best hurler in Ulster after McManus, and have talent across the field. Defence may struggle against the likes of the Sands brothers and Tom McGrattan, though. Will be a good game to see where each team is at. If Liatroim do win, you'd fancy them to make the final which would be massive.

Another good weekend for senior hurling. Long gone hopefully are the days of a 3 team championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 19, 2023, 11:54:45 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 19, 2023, 11:18:31 PM
Quote from: Splash on August 19, 2023, 11:03:55 PM
Good day of Senior Hurling tomorrow. Newry Shamrocks need to upset Ballygalget to realistically have any chance of preserving senior status. Both teams seem to be at a bit of a low, so wouldn't expect it to be the prettiest of games. You would imagine Ballygalget will simply have too much for Shamrocks, but you never know. Be interesting if Ballygalget are unlucky enough to end up in the Intermediate how they'd fair on an All Ireland run.

Bredagh v Ballycran should be a good game, with nothing too much of note to mention. Would expect Ballycran to come away with the win, but think Bredagh can give a good showing.

Portaferry v Liatroim should be a great game. Massive opportunity for Liatroim. Would expect Portaferry to come away with the win, but  Liatroim are flying and won't have any fear. Pearse Óg McCrickard potentially the best hurler in Ulster after McManus , and have talent across the field. Defence may struggle against the likes of the Sands brothers and Tom McGrattan, though. Will be a good game to see where each team is at. If Liatroim do win, you'd fancy them to make the final which would be massive.

Another good weekend for senior hurling. Long gone hopefully are the days of a 3 team championship.
:o

Whatever about Pearse Óg McCrickard, you have McManus as the best hurler in Ulster?


Neil McManus from Cushendall, aye. Top, top hurler. Well fit to mix it with the best in Ireland. Getting on a bit now. Still though, some player. Great evangelist for Ulster Hurling. Followed, imo, by McCrickard and Keelan Molloy from Dunloy (although there is a bit of a gap from McManus to those two). Brendan Rodgers from Slaughtneil also up there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: LC on August 20, 2023, 10:39:19 AM
Quote from: Splash on August 19, 2023, 11:54:45 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 19, 2023, 11:18:31 PM
Quote from: Splash on August 19, 2023, 11:03:55 PM
Good day of Senior Hurling tomorrow. Newry Shamrocks need to upset Ballygalget to realistically have any chance of preserving senior status. Both teams seem to be at a bit of a low, so wouldn't expect it to be the prettiest of games. You would imagine Ballygalget will simply have too much for Shamrocks, but you never know. Be interesting if Ballygalget are unlucky enough to end up in the Intermediate how they'd fair on an All Ireland run.

Bredagh v Ballycran should be a good game, with nothing too much of note to mention. Would expect Ballycran to come away with the win, but think Bredagh can give a good showing.

Portaferry v Liatroim should be a great game. Massive opportunity for Liatroim. Would expect Portaferry to come away with the win, but  Liatroim are flying and won't have any fear. Pearse Óg McCrickard potentially the best hurler in Ulster after McManus , and have talent across the field. Defence may struggle against the likes of the Sands brothers and Tom McGrattan, though. Will be a good game to see where each team is at. If Liatroim do win, you'd fancy them to make the final which would be massive.

Another good weekend for senior hurling. Long gone hopefully are the days of a 3 team championship.
:o

Whatever about Pearse Óg McCrickard, you have McManus as the best hurler in Ulster?


Neil McManus from Cushendall, aye. Top, top hurler. Well fit to mix it with the best in Ireland. Getting on a bit now. Still though, some player. Great evangelist for Ulster Hurling. Followed, imo, by McCrickard and Keelan Molloy from Dunloy (although there is a bit of a gap from McManus to those two). Brendan Rodgers from Slaughtneil also up there.

While still also being one of the top footballers in Ulster at the same time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 20, 2023, 02:41:37 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 20, 2023, 08:32:04 AM
Fair enough. It's all about opinions. Though I feel like I'm in an episode of Goodnight Sweetheart.

Aye, all about opinions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 20, 2023, 02:42:38 PM
Quote from: LC on August 20, 2023, 10:39:19 AM
Quote from: Splash on August 19, 2023, 11:54:45 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 19, 2023, 11:18:31 PM
Quote from: Splash on August 19, 2023, 11:03:55 PM
Good day of Senior Hurling tomorrow. Newry Shamrocks need to upset Ballygalget to realistically have any chance of preserving senior status. Both teams seem to be at a bit of a low, so wouldn't expect it to be the prettiest of games. You would imagine Ballygalget will simply have too much for Shamrocks, but you never know. Be interesting if Ballygalget are unlucky enough to end up in the Intermediate how they'd fair on an All Ireland run.

Bredagh v Ballycran should be a good game, with nothing too much of note to mention. Would expect Ballycran to come away with the win, but think Bredagh can give a good showing.

Portaferry v Liatroim should be a great game. Massive opportunity for Liatroim. Would expect Portaferry to come away with the win, but  Liatroim are flying and won't have any fear. Pearse Óg McCrickard potentially the best hurler in Ulster after McManus , and have talent across the field. Defence may struggle against the likes of the Sands brothers and Tom McGrattan, though. Will be a good game to see where each team is at. If Liatroim do win, you'd fancy them to make the final which would be massive.

Another good weekend for senior hurling. Long gone hopefully are the days of a 3 team championship.
:o

Whatever about Pearse Óg McCrickard, you have McManus as the best hurler in Ulster?


Neil McManus from Cushendall, aye. Top, top hurler. Well fit to mix it with the best in Ireland. Getting on a bit now. Still though, some player. Great evangelist for Ulster Hurling. Followed, imo, by McCrickard and Keelan Molloy from Dunloy (although there is a bit of a gap from McManus to those two). Brendan Rodgers from Slaughtneil also up there.

While still also being one of the top footballers in Ulster at the same time.

Absolute great player all round.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 21, 2023, 01:50:20 AM
Good weekend of club hurling.

Not too much to say on Ballycrand and Bredagh. Ballycran just a level above them atm. Think the Championship is theirs to lose now. Potentially an Ulster Championship in the team? Hopefully Bredagh aren't going to spiral now. Be a massive shame for Down hurling if all the work they've invested becomes undone.

Ballygalget back to old ways against Newry Shamrocks. Ugly scoreline which won't do much to help the game in the Shamrocks club, but is what it is. The team knows where they are now with 2 bigger challenges coming in the form of the Crans and the Ports. Similar sort of situation to Bredagh, hopefully they don't spiral. The clubs need to do well for the benefit of hurling in the 2 key urban areas of the county.
Shamrocks by no means bad hurlers, and had moments of good stuff, but simply, hadn't the physicality, strength, or fitness to compete with Ballygalget and were handled easily by the Ardsmen. Paul Sheehan clearly a big miss. Sean Campbell also probably a big miss.
Some great hurlers in Ballygalget. Hopefully the club is coming through their own barren patch.

Liatroim couldn't get over the line, but not a million miles away. Portaferry may have got a scare from the close scoreline. Liatroim still well fit to reach the final on their day, but wouldn't imagine they'd be able to deal with Ballycran in a final. Still though, great progress from them and I'm sure they'll be happy with where they are this season.

Semi final draw will be interesting.

Not too much to be said for the Intermediate.

Carryduff dismatled Clonduff. You would fear what they could do to Ballela or the Point if they took a notion. Apparently, Clonduff didn't even put out too bad a team.
Although it took until the second half for the floodgates to open. Carryduff simply had better hurlers out the field who could take scores from around the field. Heard it said this weekend there is no Intermediate level in Down, only Senior and Junior.
Nothing else really to be said.
Lot of underage need work needs to go into South Down clubs to get to the level of Bredagh/Carryduff- and tbf to Clonduff, they seem to be putting it in. This championship was always going to be Carryduff's. Hopefully Clonduff can recover, and build on the good stuff they have and be competitive with Warrenpoint and Ballela.

CPN get over the line against Ballela, but a far better showing from the West Down men than many were expecting. Johnny McMuscker back in action. Great asset to any team. Never a good idea to rely heavily on one player but not a lot else Ballela can do at the minute, maybe. You'd wonder how they would have fared with Ryan McCusker available for them.
Good to see the Point getting the first win at Intermediate level. Hopefully they can continue to develop. Only gets tougher from here on out.

Junior Championship also panned out the way many would have been expecting.

Castlewellen dealt with Ballyvarley handily enough in the end. Was level at halftime, with BV going ahead in the second half, but seemed to fall apart for them when they conceded the penalty. Castlewellen a far fitter team, and looked better organised. BV hit a lot of wides and gave away soft frees, which CW seemed to thrive off of.
BV didn't seem confident taking their scores. A return from Paul O'Neill would definitely be a great asset.
BV missing key men, and some lads not suited to filling different positions. Tom Lennon a big miss for BV.
Good to see James McGrath back. Does wonders for a team to have a player like that coming back.
No standout player for Castlewellen, just a great team performance. Kept the head when it wasn't going great and took the chances when they came. Simple as. Will feel they already have one hand on the championship.

Kilclief v East Belfast a strange affair.
Kilclief absolutely rampant in the first have. Ran around East Belfast, barely letting them on the ball. Just systematically took East Belfast apart from every side.
Second half East Belfast scored what Kilclief had scored in the first half, and although it didn't feel like Kilclief were ever in any trouble, to take the foot of the gas to that extent may be concerning.
Some great hurlers for East Belfast, and the size of the squad is insane- lads spilling down the sideline. Kilclief fitter, faster, and stronger, though. Also great in the air, and were able to take shots from far out the field.
You would wonder if Kilclief are used to the breeze that comes with playing on the shore, and whether they are able to turn it into a tool of the trade.
East Belfast definitely missing Irial Ó'Cellaigh, Jack Gavin, and Prionsais Lennon in the half backline, although a club that size probably will have no trouble locating someone, somewhere who can do the job for them.

Semi finals will be interesting.
Kilclief v Ballyvarley is essentially a semi final to see who joins CW in the final. Kilclief favourites, but the game is in Ballyvarley, and their backs will already be against the wall after the loss. Won't be happy with that performance and will be chomping at the bit to get a chance to go again. Ballyvarley won't let Kilclief start as strongly as East Belfast did, and Kilclief showed their defence can be opened up. A Ballyvarley side that wasn't firing still managed to score 1-09 on Castlewellen. Still rattled home an early goal, and were unlucky with their goal chances. Also have the physicality to match Kilclief and keep them off the ball.
At the same time, clear by looking at Kilclief they are a Div 1 team playing with Div 2 teams. Will be confident of going on an unbeaten run this championship. A physical side with some great hurling ability. Might take a lot to stop them.
Would expect Castlewellen to beat East Belfast, but no shortage of goal poachers available for the Belfast side, and judging on league performances, it would be possible for them to give Castlewellen a scare.

No one really stood out in the Junior Championship who would be a good shout for the County Squad, which is unfortunate. Maybe a couple of the Kilclief boys, but hard to know. We talk a lot in Down how the solution is more clubs. If we had a greater number of clubs, we would find better players. But we would also need to invest and develop our junior clubs. Would be great to see more clubs, but a lot needs to be done to keep lads playing a high quality game across the county. More clubs does not automatically mean you unearth great players.

Great weekend of club hurling, and no shortage of good games to come. Hopefully the County Board doesn't focus solely on the football in the coming weeks, and both championships get some good exposure.

Some very interesting developments to watch out for on the hurling front this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on August 21, 2023, 08:34:42 AM
Quote from: Splash on August 21, 2023, 01:50:20 AM
Good weekend of club hurling.

Not too much to say on Ballycrand and Bredagh. Ballycran just a level above them atm. Think the Championship is theirs to lose now. Potentially an Ulster Championship in the team? Hopefully Bredagh aren't going to spiral now. Be a massive shame for Down hurling if all the work they've invested becomes undone.

Ballygalget back to old ways against Newry Shamrocks. Ugly scoreline which won't do much to help the game in the Shamrocks club, but is what it is. The team knows where they are now with 2 bigger challenges coming in the form of the Crans and the Ports. Similar sort of situation to Bredagh, hopefully they don't spiral. The clubs need to do well for the benefit of hurling in the 2 key urban areas of the county.
Shamrocks by no means bad hurlers, and had moments of good stuff, but simply, hadn't the physicality, strength, or fitness to compete with Ballygalget and were handled easily by the Ardsmen. Paul Sheehan clearly a big miss. Sean Campbell also probably a big miss.
Some great hurlers in Ballygalget. Hopefully the club is coming through their own barren patch.

Liatroim couldn't get over the line, but not a million miles away. Portaferry may have got a scare from the close scoreline. Liatroim still well fit to reach the final on their day, but wouldn't imagine they'd be able to deal with Ballycran in a final. Still though, great progress from them and I'm sure they'll be happy with where they are this season.

Semi final draw will be interesting.

Not too much to be said for the Intermediate.

Carryduff dismatled Clonduff. You would fear what they could do to Ballela or the Point if they took a notion. Apparently, Clonduff didn't even put out too bad a team.
Although it took until the second half for the floodgates to open. Carryduff simply had better hurlers out the field who could take scores from around the field. Heard it said this weekend there is no Intermediate level in Down, only Senior and Junior.
Nothing else really to be said.
Lot of underage need work needs to go into South Down clubs to get to the level of Bredagh/Carryduff- and tbf to Clonduff, they seem to be putting it in. This championship was always going to be Carryduff's. Hopefully Clonduff can recover, and build on the good stuff they have and be competitive with Warrenpoint and Ballela.

CPN get over the line against Ballela, but a far better showing from the West Down men than many were expecting. Johnny McMuscker back in action. Great asset to any team. Never a good idea to rely heavily on one player but not a lot else Ballela can do at the minute, maybe. You'd wonder how they would have fared with Ryan McCusker available for them.
Good to see the Point getting the first win at Intermediate level. Hopefully they can continue to develop. Only gets tougher from here on out.

Junior Championship also panned out the way many would have been expecting.

Castlewellen dealt with Ballyvarley handily enough in the end. Was level at halftime, with BV going ahead in the second half, but seemed to fall apart for them when they conceded the penalty. Castlewellen a far fitter team, and looked better organised. BV hit a lot of wides and gave away soft frees, which CW seemed to thrive off of.
BV didn't seem confident taking their scores. A return from Paul O'Neill would definitely be a great asset.
BV missing key men, and some lads not suited to filling different positions. Tom Lennon a big miss for BV.
Good to see James McGrath back. Does wonders for a team to have a player like that coming back.
No standout player for Castlewellen, just a great team performance. Kept the head when it wasn't going great and took the chances when they came. Simple as. Will feel they already have one hand on the championship.

Kilclief v East Belfast a strange affair.
Kilclief absolutely rampant in the first have. Ran around East Belfast, barely letting them on the ball. Just systematically took East Belfast apart from every side.
Second half East Belfast scored what Kilclief had scored in the first half, and although it didn't feel like Kilclief were ever in any trouble, to take the foot of the gas to that extent may be concerning.
Some great hurlers for East Belfast, and the size of the squad is insane- lads spilling down the sideline. Kilclief fitter, faster, and stronger, though. Also great in the air, and were able to take shots from far out the field.
You would wonder if Kilclief are used to the breeze that comes with playing on the shore, and whether they are able to turn it into a tool of the trade.
East Belfast definitely missing Irial Ó'Cellaigh, Jack Gavin, and Prionsais Lennon in the half backline, although a club that size probably will have no trouble locating someone, somewhere who can do the job for them.

Semi finals will be interesting.
Kilclief v Ballyvarley is essentially a semi final to see who joins CW in the final. Kilclief favourites, but the game is in Ballyvarley, and their backs will already be against the wall after the loss. Won't be happy with that performance and will be chomping at the bit to get a chance to go again. Ballyvarley won't let Kilclief start as strongly as East Belfast did, and Kilclief showed their defence can be opened up. A Ballyvarley side that wasn't firing still managed to score 1-09 on Castlewellen. Still rattled home an early goal, and were unlucky with their goal chances. Also have the physicality to match Kilclief and keep them off the ball.
At the same time, clear by looking at Kilclief they are a Div 1 team playing with Div 2 teams. Will be confident of going on an unbeaten run this championship. A physical side with some great hurling ability. Might take a lot to stop them.
Would expect Castlewellen to beat East Belfast, but no shortage of goal poachers available for the Belfast side, and judging on league performances, it would be possible for them to give Castlewellen a scare.

No one really stood out in the Junior Championship who would be a good shout for the County Squad, which is unfortunate. Maybe a couple of the Kilclief boys, but hard to know. We talk a lot in Down how the solution is more clubs. If we had a greater number of clubs, we would find better players. But we would also need to invest and develop our junior clubs. Would be great to see more clubs, but a lot needs to be done to keep lads playing a high quality game across the county. More clubs does not automatically mean you unearth great players.

Great weekend of club hurling, and no shortage of good games to come. Hopefully the County Board doesn't focus solely on the football in the coming weeks, and both championships get some good exposure.

Some very interesting developments to watch out for on the hurling front this year.

That's a comprehensive analysis there Splash. Very detailed.

Great stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 21, 2023, 10:38:31 AM
Senior semi-finals are probably going to be home games for Ballycran (guaranteed at this stage) and more than likely Portaferry, the Liatroim game vrs us will decide who plays who.

Ironically enough I'd say we'd prefer to face Ballycran in Ballycran than Portaferry in Portaferry so that would mean coming fourth and losing to Liatroim to do that but I don't get that mindset, go out and win every game is always good for morale in the camp.
I get the resting players bit as we've a small core group of key players we need to keep fit, we've a two week break now before we face Portaferry at home, win that and we'd be looking at a home semi-final depending on the Liatroim game the week after.

As for the Pearse Óg McCrickard comments, the key word is potentially, he still has to prove it at a high level and that's more than Div1 hurling in Down on a consistent basis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 21, 2023, 04:14:43 PM
Personally always found Ballycran a harder place to go and get a result, but the reality is there's no game coming easy once you get to the semi final.

Hard to choose a winner between Liatroim and Ballygalget. Should be a great game.

Ballygalget more than capable of getting a win over Portaferry, which keeps everything interesting.

In regards to McCrickard, yes, he still has a lot to prove, but he was instrumental to keeping Down in the Joe McDonagh this year. Had an absolutely great game against Kildare when it was needed, and was a constant in a year that Down would maybe like to forget. Hard to gauge where players are on the broader scale when they don't get the chance to perform outside of Division 2A and the Joe McDonagh, but McCrickard really has been on top form.

But as you say, there is more to hurling than Down Div 1. All the same, I don't think he'd be too far out of his depth in the Antrim leagues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: harryR on August 21, 2023, 07:26:12 PM
There is a few hurlers in Ulster, that if they played in say Antrim or played hurling as main sport, that would be up there as well. Men like Brendan Rodgers, Sean Leo mcgoldrick, Danny Cullen etc
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 22, 2023, 09:36:02 AM
Should teams in the division 3 minor championship be permitted to be destroyed by a club the magnitude of Newry Shamrocks?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 22, 2023, 09:36:44 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 24, 2023, 01:06:13 PM
Has anyone heard the rumour of the Killyleagh Wolfe Tones are reforming ? The parishes of Killyleagh, Comber, Killinchy, and Tullnakill have some catchment area. I really hope it works the them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on August 24, 2023, 01:09:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 24, 2023, 01:06:13 PM
Has anyone heard the rumour of the Killyleagh Wolfe Tones are reforming ? The parishes of Killyleagh, Comber, Killinchy, and Tullnakill have some catchment area. I really hope it works the them.

Yea this is true
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on August 24, 2023, 02:26:53 PM
The County Board are a disgrace charging £6 for over 12s into SFC games this weekend. All kids should be free and they have the cheek to charge £2 for babies up to 12 year old. £30 for a family with a 3 teenagers to watch a first round game is pure greed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on August 24, 2023, 03:32:20 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on August 24, 2023, 02:26:53 PM
The County Board are a disgrace charging £6 for over 12s into SFC games this weekend. All kids should be free and they have the cheek to charge £2 for babies up to 12 year old. £30 for a family with a 3 teenagers to watch a first round game is pure greed.

Not this sh1t again... Sponsor not enough to pay the extortionate bill for Laverty & co.. ticket sales is the only option
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on August 24, 2023, 04:00:21 PM
No issue with the £6 for adults but charging the same price for 12 year olds and £2 for toddlers is taking the piss.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on August 24, 2023, 04:15:24 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on August 24, 2023, 04:00:21 PM
No issue with the £6 for adults but charging the same price for 12 year olds and £2 for toddlers is taking the piss.

So would it be ok if it was £10 for adults and £6 for 12-18? Just so
It is not the same? Same crying match every year over prices, its £4/£5 into a league game all year the extra £1 for championship early rounds is fair. Ok £2 for u12 isn't ideal but if you were to take an u12 to a game in other local sports or indeed Croke Park it costs alot more. Its £13 for an Irish League game and £10 for Rugby, £6 good value or just watch on down tv. £30 to get the whole family out to watch my club in the championship for an evening is well worth it. Same who complain probably no issue paying £5 for pint
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on August 24, 2023, 04:39:15 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on August 24, 2023, 04:15:24 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on August 24, 2023, 04:00:21 PM
No issue with the £6 for adults but charging the same price for 12 year olds and £2 for toddlers is taking the piss.

So would it be ok if it was £10 for adults and £6 for 12-18? Just so
It is not the same? Same crying match every year over prices, its £4/£5 into a league game all year the extra £1 for championship early rounds is fair. Ok £2 for u12 isn't ideal but if you were to take an u12 to a game in other local sports or indeed Croke Park it costs alot more. Its £13 for an Irish League game and £10 for Rugby, £6 good value or just watch on down tv. £30 to get the whole family out to watch my club in the championship for an evening is well worth it. Same who complain probably no issue paying £5 for pint

Isnt ideal is an understatement - its scandalous as is having to pay £6 for a 13 year old.

Are you comparing club grounds to Croke Park?  :o
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on August 24, 2023, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on August 24, 2023, 03:32:20 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on August 24, 2023, 02:26:53 PM
The County Board are a disgrace charging £6 for over 12s into SFC games this weekend. All kids should be free and they have the cheek to charge £2 for babies up to 12 year old. £30 for a family with a 3 teenagers to watch a first round game is pure greed.

Not this sh1t again... Sponsor not enough to pay the extortionate bill for Laverty & co.. ticket sales is the only option

I'd reckon the increased gates at the national league and championship matches, means Laverty is covering his costs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on August 24, 2023, 05:04:30 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on August 24, 2023, 04:15:24 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on August 24, 2023, 04:00:21 PM
No issue with the £6 for adults but charging the same price for 12 year olds and £2 for toddlers is taking the piss.

So would it be ok if it was £10 for adults and £6 for 12-18? Just so
It is not the same? Same crying match every year over prices, its £4/£5 into a league game all year the extra £1 for championship early rounds is fair. Ok £2 for u12 isn't ideal but if you were to take an u12 to a game in other local sports or indeed Croke Park it costs alot more. Its £13 for an Irish League game and £10 for Rugby, £6 good value or just watch on down tv. £30 to get the whole family out to watch my club in the championship for an evening is well worth it. Same who complain probably no issue paying £5 for pint

Think you have nailed it Gaelforce. Some guys just love to moan and gurn. It's good value all round especially compared to other counties
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 24, 2023, 07:55:05 PM
Quote from: Godsown on August 24, 2023, 05:04:30 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on August 24, 2023, 04:15:24 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on August 24, 2023, 04:00:21 PM
No issue with the £6 for adults but charging the same price for 12 year olds and £2 for toddlers is taking the piss.

So would it be ok if it was £10 for adults and £6 for 12-18? Just so
It is not the same? Same crying match every year over prices, its £4/£5 into a league game all year the extra £1 for championship early rounds is fair. Ok £2 for u12 isn't ideal but if you were to take an u12 to a game in other local sports or indeed Croke Park it costs alot more. Its £13 for an Irish League game and £10 for Rugby, £6 good value or just watch on down tv. £30 to get the whole family out to watch my club in the championship for an evening is well worth it. Same who complain probably no issue paying £5 for pint

Think you have nailed it Gaelforce. Some guys just love to moan and gurn. It's good value all round especially compared to other counties

Here here. Absolute drivel. Complaining at every opportunity, nearly just to include the words 'County Board' in the complaint. Good value given adult reductions from previous years. As stated last year, better or similar to other counties. Armagh aren't charging u16 'for the round Robbin' - you can bet there will be a charge thereafter. Just have to accept some people will never be happy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on August 24, 2023, 08:42:10 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on August 24, 2023, 04:15:24 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on August 24, 2023, 04:00:21 PM
No issue with the £6 for adults but charging the same price for 12 year olds and £2 for toddlers is taking the piss.

So would it be ok if it was £10 for adults and £6 for 12-18? Just so
It is not the same? Same crying match every year over prices, its £4/£5 into a league game all year the extra £1 for championship early rounds is fair. Ok £2 for u12 isn't ideal but if you were to take an u12 to a game in other local sports or indeed Croke Park it costs alot more. Its £13 for an Irish League game and £10 for Rugby, £6 good value or just watch on down tv. £30 to get the whole family out to watch my club in the championship for an evening is well worth it. Same who complain probably no issue paying £5 for pint
Sorry but asking money for youngsters (toddlers and all) is a nonsense, uncalled for and goes against the wind of what the GAA was should stand for. Rugby / Irish League are all paid professionals to a certain level while the GAA men do it for the love of it, dont they? At least the players do, but then they have no choice unlike the management teams with all the add ons. Call it for what it is, the love of the pound and greed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on August 24, 2023, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: thebar on August 24, 2023, 08:42:10 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on August 24, 2023, 04:15:24 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on August 24, 2023, 04:00:21 PM
No issue with the £6 for adults but charging the same price for 12 year olds and £2 for toddlers is taking the piss.

So would it be ok if it was £10 for adults and £6 for 12-18? Just so
It is not the same? Same crying match every year over prices, its £4/£5 into a league game all year the extra £1 for championship early rounds is fair. Ok £2 for u12 isn't ideal but if you were to take an u12 to a game in other local sports or indeed Croke Park it costs alot more. Its £13 for an Irish League game and £10 for Rugby, £6 good value or just watch on down tv. £30 to get the whole family out to watch my club in the championship for an evening is well worth it. Same who complain probably no issue paying £5 for pint
Sorry but asking money for youngsters (toddlers and all) is a nonsense, uncalled for and goes against the wind of what the GAA was should stand for. Rugby / Irish League are all paid professionals to a certain level while the GAA men do it for the love of it, dont they? At least the players do, but then they have no choice unlike the management teams with all the add ons. Call it for what it is, the love of the pound and greed.

Open Quote 'GAA, Grab All, greed,love the money' end quote.... Please repeat annually in every complaint.... Please also add the words County Board and disgrace in every comment' then proceed to complain about the price of the chippy on way home from a game, the Diesal to get there and the pints after.

Price of everything has went up, im sure that would include the running of our games (it
Does cost to run them) and £6 in and £2 for a child is good value, pay £4 into club games all year as it helps the club, pay into the county club championship as it helps the county. Intercounty games help GAA.

Agree to disagree though, ill go to three games this week,
Ill take my 2 kids also and will probably see some on the tv. Not because i can afford
It but because its good value and for me better than paying a sky subscription all year to watch the professionals
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 24, 2023, 10:46:22 PM
Prices aren't as bad as they were two years ago was £5/10 for all u16s in 2021, I gave off stink here and there was a big backlash on Twitter but don't think the prices are that bad this year. £6 for SFC is cheaper than it was past few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on August 24, 2023, 11:11:38 PM
Was at Saul v RGU

But no players team sheets or programme ? This was always part and parcel of championship

What going on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 24, 2023, 11:26:32 PM
Quote from: County Star on August 24, 2023, 11:11:38 PM
Was at Saul v RGU

But no players team sheets or programme ? This was always part and parcel of championship

What going on

There have been no printed programmes bar finals for 3 years. Not sure what the last match you were at was. All programmes/team sheets posted online an hour before each game as was the way the past few years.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on August 24, 2023, 11:45:28 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on August 24, 2023, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: thebar on August 24, 2023, 08:42:10 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on August 24, 2023, 04:15:24 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on August 24, 2023, 04:00:21 PM
No issue with the £6 for adults but charging the same price for 12 year olds and £2 for toddlers is taking the piss.

So would it be ok if it was £10 for adults and £6 for 12-18? Just so
It is not the same? Same crying match every year over prices, its £4/£5 into a league game all year the extra £1 for championship early rounds is fair. Ok £2 for u12 isn't ideal but if you were to take an u12 to a game in other local sports or indeed Croke Park it costs alot more. Its £13 for an Irish League game and £10 for Rugby, £6 good value or just watch on down tv. £30 to get the whole family out to watch my club in the championship for an evening is well worth it. Same who complain probably no issue paying £5 for pint
Sorry but asking money for youngsters (toddlers and all) is a nonsense, uncalled for and goes against the wind of what the GAA was should stand for. Rugby / Irish League are all paid professionals to a certain level while the GAA men do it for the love of it, dont they? At least the players do, but then they have no choice unlike the management teams with all the add ons. Call it for what it is, the love of the pound and greed.

Open Quote 'GAA, Grab All, greed,love the money' end quote.... Please repeat annually in every complaint.... Please also add the words County Board and disgrace in every comment' then proceed to complain about the price of the chippy on way home from a game, the Diesal to get there and the pints after.

Price of everything has went up, im sure that would include the running of our games (it
Does cost to run them) and £6 in and £2 for a child is good value, pay £4 into club games all year as it helps the club, pay into the county club championship as it helps the county. Intercounty games help GAA.

Agree to disagree though, ill go to three games this week,
Ill take my 2 kids also and will probably see some on the tv. Not because i can afford
It but because its good value and for me better than paying a sky subscription all year to watch the professionals

Fair enough I understand you support charging toddlers to sit through a match with the mother/father/other where I don't, I think it's short sighted and believe money, no matter what a persons financial situation should not be a potential barrier to bringing youngsters to a GAA match. You feel your getting good value - happy for you and congratulations on your call on Sky - I totally agree. However its a simplistic retort trotting out the "Grab all association" to those who may question decisions taken by the county board. Without being condescending if I was asked for £2 to take my 2 year daughter through a turnstile with me this weekend then I'm sorry but "greed" and "love the money" is a fairly accurate description of those who have made the decision with regards pricing strategy for games. Happy to pay for diesel and chips though little drink does me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 25, 2023, 01:11:00 AM
Quote from: harryR on August 21, 2023, 07:26:12 PM
There is a few hurlers in Ulster, that if they played in say Antrim or played hurling as main sport, that would be up there as well. Men like Brendan Rodgers, Sean Leo mcgoldrick, Danny Cullen etc

Danny Cullen particularly good but unknown hurler (from the admittedly little I've seen of him).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 25, 2023, 01:44:52 AM
Quote from: County Star on August 24, 2023, 01:09:18 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on August 24, 2023, 01:06:13 PM
Has anyone heard the rumour of the Killyleagh Wolfe Tones are reforming ? The parishes of Killyleagh, Comber, Killinchy, and Tullnakill have some catchment area. I really hope it works the them.

Yea this is true

Would be great to see. Down probably has the greatest untapped potential out of any county in Ireland. Couple other areas could really do with GAA outlets, Hillsborough, Bangor (is Bangor the biggest settlement in Ireland without a GAA club?), Dromore, etc.

Besides the pragmatic reasons for having more clubs in Down, though, its great to see more areas providing the opportunity. Everyone should have the chance to play hurling and football in their home parish.

Really hope Killyleagh do well. Been shown through East Belfast and Saint Kevin's that new clubs can get up and flying in Down.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 25, 2023, 02:12:47 AM
Portaferry and Ballycran have booked their places in the Betsy Gray Shield final.

Defending champions Carryduff knocked out in convincing fashion by Ballycran.

Carryduff reserves have been a stark contrast to their firsts counterparts. Whereas the firsts seem to be going from strength to strength, the reserves had another bad league campaign and failed to reach a Betsy Gray final, let alone win back to back titles. Nonetheless, hurling seems to be in a good place in the club.

You would at times wonder about the state of the Betsy Gray. Yes, it's great to give lads the opportunity, and it's good to keep Ards reserve teams out of the junior championship, but when only a few teams enter it, and most of those teams are getting well beaten and you end up with another portaferry/ballycrsn final, you can see where the questions may arise.

Not to take away from ballycran and portaferry; their lads are clearly the best at that level and are well within their right to go out and beat anyone by as much as they can. Two great teams, not just in the SHC, but the Betsy Gray. We're lucky to have teams of that standard in Down.

Something has to be done, though, in my opinion, about lads dropping down from higher squads to line out and play in the Betsy Gray. Across all teams. Not even due to the fact that it's unfair on other teams, but because it is unfair on fellas who's only opportunity to play hurling this year may be the Betsy Gray, and they are getting left on the bench because senior players are being used to improve the squad.
I understand that the main priority is to win, but it seems unfair for lads who train and want to play, and aren't quite at the standard of making the club's first team, and then aren't getting to start and a lad who is in the first squad is coming down and taking his jersey. It's important to give lads the game time they need to develop, too.
I would imagine that would have been the point of the Betsy Gray in the first place; to ensure lads who aren't getting to play for the firsts in the championship have a chance to play competitive hurling every year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on August 25, 2023, 07:38:46 AM
What's the name of that reserve competition?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on August 25, 2023, 09:44:16 AM
Quote from: bannside on August 25, 2023, 07:38:46 AM
What's the name of that reserve competition?

Betsy Gray.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_Gray (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_Gray)


The Betsy Gray Cup (2nds) and the Shield (3rds) was really put in place after the Ulster Intermediate and Junior club competitions came into being as up to that point the Ards teams 2nds and 3rds team played in the Down Intermediate and Junior championships. These 2nds and 3rds teams was skewing these competitions and something had to be done.
Initially we'd the Joe McCrickard (intermediate) and Betsy Gray (junior) as an end of year competition where the Ards 2nd and 3rd strings played the 1st strings of the various other teams in Down just as before in the old competitions but the weather and pitch availability didn't help to get them played.

We've only a 2nds team, Bredagh and Carryduff's second string are junior level and that's why there's only 4 teams in the shield and then there'll probably only be the three Ards teams in the Betsy Gray Cup later on in the year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on August 25, 2023, 10:08:55 AM
Some shambles went on in Mayobridge last night.. Next thing you'll be asking players to bring headtorches in case more games go to pens.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 25, 2023, 11:16:05 AM
There's a notice up from Down Gaa now that all games are moved forward to 6:45. Last night wasn't thought through, if at a time where light will be an issue then the club hosting needs to have lights
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 25, 2023, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: County Star on August 24, 2023, 11:11:38 PM
Was at Saul v RGU

But no players team sheets or programme ? This was always part and parcel of championship

What going on

There might not have been a printed programme, but in my opinion the game itself was worth the £6 in as it was quite entertaining. Saul maybe should have tried another one or two balls in to O'Hare, as his fielding was superb at times.
Bell was excellent for RGU in the middle.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 25, 2023, 01:49:56 PM
The Fin will be demoted to Junior IMO once more. They should be commended much for their rise under Mark Copeland, but in 2024 they will struggle in the third division. Shamrock's are getting better and no team in that championship will scare them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 25, 2023, 10:03:15 PM
Loughinisland v Harps a good old fashioned game this evening. Loughinisland will take a lot of scalps this season and absolutely no one will want the Harps in round 2.
No shocks to date.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on August 25, 2023, 10:27:34 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on August 25, 2023, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: County Star on August 24, 2023, 11:11:38 PM
Was at Saul v RGU

But no players team sheets or programme ? This was always part and parcel of championship

What going on

There might not have been a printed programme, but in my opinion the game itself was worth the £6 in as it was quite entertaining. Saul maybe should have tried another one or two balls in to O'Hare, as his fielding was superb at times.
Bell was excellent for RGU in the middle.

Caught that game also it was a close game. Great start from Saul but a strong finish to the first half from RGU. Peter Turley still doing the business at his age too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on August 26, 2023, 08:55:52 AM
Quote from: County Star on August 25, 2023, 10:27:34 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on August 25, 2023, 12:01:36 PM
Quote from: County Star on August 24, 2023, 11:11:38 PM
Was at Saul v RGU

But no players team sheets or programme ? This was always part and parcel of championship

What going on

There might not have been a printed programme, but in my opinion the game itself was worth the £6 in as it was quite entertaining. Saul maybe should have tried another one or two balls in to O'Hare, as his fielding was superb at times.
Bell was excellent for RGU in the middle.

Caught that game also it was a close game. Great start from Saul but a strong finish to the first half from RGU. Peter Turley still doing the business at his age too
Turley some player. Must be 45 years of age but he really looks after himself. Teetotal celibate non smoker. A veritable Saint!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 27, 2023, 05:33:29 PM
Good to read in the Irish News that Stevie Poacher has the bridge playing positive good football.

Bryansford supporters will be relieved that the bridge win wasn't down to their team being crap.

😉😜
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on August 27, 2023, 05:44:54 PM
Eventful match between Glenn and Saval
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on August 27, 2023, 05:59:13 PM
Some finish to Stone and Castlewellan game. Stone score a goal 6 and half minutes into injury time to send game to extra time. Was only meant to be a minimum of 3 added minutes so unsure where McGrath found another 3 and half minutes.

EDIT: Longstone started extra time well with a goal and point to lead by 4 at ht. Castlewellan rallied in 2nd half to level the game and send to the game to penalties

Result: Stone win in sudden death penalties
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on August 27, 2023, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 27, 2023, 05:44:54 PM
Eventful match between Glenn and Saval
"Eventful" can have a host of meanings....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 27, 2023, 07:32:15 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 27, 2023, 05:44:54 PM
Eventful match between Glenn and Saval

Was some craic.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on August 27, 2023, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: Splash on August 27, 2023, 07:32:15 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 27, 2023, 05:44:54 PM
Eventful match between Glenn and Saval

Was some craic.
what happened?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on August 27, 2023, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 27, 2023, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: Splash on August 27, 2023, 07:32:15 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 27, 2023, 05:44:54 PM
Eventful match between Glenn and Saval

Was some craic.
what happened?

Saval had 4 sent off and Glenn had one black carded.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on August 27, 2023, 08:17:38 PM
Longstone were lucky to force extra time against Castlewellan. But worth their win in the end for sheer doggedness. Neither of them will reach the latter states though on that display.

Glenn v Saval another poor game. Neither of them will make latter stages either.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on August 27, 2023, 08:53:50 PM
Terrible crowd in Newry tonight,  time to return to knockout football,  would have been 3>4 thousand easy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on August 27, 2023, 09:37:22 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 27, 2023, 05:59:13 PM
Some finish to Stone and Castlewellan game. Stone score a goal 6 and half minutes into injury time to send game to extra time. Was only meant to be a minimum of 3 added minutes so unsure where McGrath found another 3 and half minutes.

EDIT: Longstone started extra time well with a goal and point to lead by 4 at ht. Castlewellan rallied in 2nd half to level the game and send to the game to penalties

Result: Stone win in sudden death penalties

Pretty sure the Castlewellan keeper was down injured for an extended period, possibly 2-3 minutes either right at the end of normal time or right at the start of added time.

Quote from: sdg on August 27, 2023, 08:53:50 PM
Terrible crowd in Newry tonight,  time to return to knockout football,  would have been 3>4 thousand easy

I think the setup we have now is fine. Almost every other county has group stages, and those are not good to watch. I don't believe that there would have been a huge crowd in had it been straight knockout, a few more maybe but not big numbers. At the end of the day it was a first round game which was expected to be relatively one sided, it was a cold wet night, and there is excellent coverage of the game from your armchair for the same price as a ticket into the ground.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on August 27, 2023, 11:30:26 PM
Disappointing performance tonight in a game where we had chances to hit goals v an inexperienced keeper. Route one against Burren causes havoc in their defence and teams will exploit this going forward. I thought big Cian McLoughlin had a great game against murdock and our defence was resolute against their attacks - I can't remember one clear ur goal chance created by them - Aaron Joe had his best game in ages and we will get better in the next while - hopefully a favourable draw in the next round will get us back to round 3.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ClubScene13 on August 27, 2023, 11:42:16 PM
Burren won't be stopped the year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bennydorano on August 28, 2023, 09:25:11 AM
How has Forkhill / Armagh Paddy Hamstring ended up in Burren?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on August 28, 2023, 10:58:01 AM
Quote from: ScarvaLegend on August 27, 2023, 09:37:22 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 27, 2023, 05:59:13 PM
Some finish to Stone and Castlewellan game. Stone score a goal 6 and half minutes into injury time to send game to extra time. Was only meant to be a minimum of 3 added minutes so unsure where McGrath found another 3 and half minutes.

EDIT: Longstone started extra time well with a goal and point to lead by 4 at ht. Castlewellan rallied in 2nd half to level the game and send to the game to penalties

Result: Stone win in sudden death penalties

Pretty sure the Castlewellan keeper was down injured for an extended period, possibly 2-3 minutes either right at the end of normal time or right at the start of added time.

Quote from: sdg on August 27, 2023, 08:53:50 PM
Terrible crowd in Newry tonight,  time to return to knockout football,  would have been 3>4 thousand easy

I think the setup we have now is fine. Almost every other county has group stages, and those are not good to watch. I don't believe that there would have been a huge crowd in had it been straight knockout, a few more maybe but not big numbers. At the end of the day it was a first round game which was expected to be relatively one sided, it was a cold wet night, and there is excellent coverage of the game from your armchair for the same price as a ticket into the ground.
Yes bubba was down for 2 minutes on the 53rd to 55th minute so that would have been included in the original 3 minutes one would imagine. There were no periods of stoppages in the added time itself
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ScarvaLegend on August 28, 2023, 12:03:11 PM
Ah right well then I don't know
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on August 28, 2023, 02:22:04 PM
Quote from: sdg on August 27, 2023, 08:53:50 PM
Terrible crowd in Newry tonight,  time to return to knockout football,  would have been 3>4 thousand easy
Why have Down moved away from double headers? Glenn v Saval or Drumgath v Rostervor, followed by Burren v Warrenpoint, would have made sense.
Pre pandemic there was usually an intermediate game followed by a senior game in Newry. Allows a bit of an atmosphere to build and gets the stand a bit more full.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on August 28, 2023, 04:05:11 PM
Quote from: ranch on August 28, 2023, 02:22:04 PM
Quote from: sdg on August 27, 2023, 08:53:50 PM
Terrible crowd in Newry tonight,  time to return to knockout football,  would have been 3>4 thousand easy
Why have Down moved away from double headers? Glenn v Saval or Drumgath v Rostervor, followed by Burren v Warrenpoint, would have made sense.
Pre pandemic there was usually an intermediate game followed by a senior game in Newry. Allows a bit of an atmosphere to build and gets the stand a bit more full.
Covid put an end to it and it never went back since. They make more money pricing games individually so i doubt we will see it ever revert back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on August 28, 2023, 06:13:17 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 28, 2023, 09:25:11 AM
How has Forkhill / Armagh Paddy Hamstring ended up in Burren?
he lives in Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on August 28, 2023, 07:06:26 PM
Quote from: ranch on August 28, 2023, 02:22:04 PM
Quote from: sdg on August 27, 2023, 08:53:50 PM
Terrible crowd in Newry tonight,  time to return to knockout football,  would have been 3>4 thousand easy
Why have Down moved away from double headers? Glenn v Saval or Drumgath v Rostervor, followed by Burren v Warrenpoint, would have made sense.
Pre pandemic there was usually an intermediate game followed by a senior game in Newry. Allows a bit of an atmosphere to build and gets the stand a bit more full.

I'd say wet pitches is probably a part of it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 28, 2023, 11:59:13 PM
Quote from: County Star on August 27, 2023, 08:17:38 PM
Longstone were lucky to force extra time against Castlewellan. But worth their win in the end for sheer doggedness. Neither of them will reach the latter states though on that display.

Glenn v Saval another poor game. Neither of them will make latter stages either.

Glenn and Longstone did well to be drawn against each other in the next round. 

Would say Glenn probably slight favourites. Seem to be clicking well now after a bad start to the year. If Shay Millar is fit will be a big, big asset to Glenn having a dynamic forward who's not afraid to take risks.

Glenn potentially have it in them to get to a quarter final or even a semi final if the draw is favourable after being relegated to Div 3. Interesting situation if nothing else.

Have to feel sorry for Saval. Argument to be made they should have won. Wouldn't fancy their chances against Ballyholand. Probably been a better side then Glenn all year and now could very easily find themselves in a relegation dogfight. All the same, can't be playing in a manner where you have 4 men sent off.

Both Saval and Glenn have great potential to grow and develop in the coming years as more families move into the very attractive area. Be interesting to see if they ever become serious competitive senior championship teams.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on August 29, 2023, 12:40:04 AM
Quote from: County Star on August 27, 2023, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 27, 2023, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: Splash on August 27, 2023, 07:32:15 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 27, 2023, 05:44:54 PM
Eventful match between Glenn and Saval

Was some craic.
what happened?

Saval had 4 sent off and Glenn had one black carded.

Hearing Saval are getting back former keeper Fintan Havern ahead of the ballyholland clash, should be a boost for them in a position they've struggled with this season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 29, 2023, 09:21:52 AM
Kilcoo were so comfortable yesterday evening.  No one will get near them in Down and it is between them and Glen Maghera for Ulster once more.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 29, 2023, 10:35:28 AM
With 6 red cards I doubt a returning goalkeeper will be solving the problems.

Agree on KILCOO for Down at least, they aren't a complacent team either so unless they have an off day I expect another champ win for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on August 29, 2023, 10:55:07 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 29, 2023, 10:35:28 AM
With 6 red cards I doubt a returning goalkeeper will be solving the problems.

Agree on KILCOO for Down at least, they aren't a complacent team either so unless they have an off day I expect another champ win for them.

Surely Burren will run them close?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 29, 2023, 11:27:32 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on August 29, 2023, 10:35:28 AM
With 6 red cards I doubt a returning goalkeeper will be solving the problems.

Agree on KILCOO for Down at least, they aren't a complacent team either so unless they have an off day I expect another champ win for them.

Saval got 6 reds?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 29, 2023, 11:52:37 AM
Was told that last night, 4 during game and 2 after. Don't know if any are double yellows though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 29, 2023, 11:57:38 AM
I'm not so sure on Burren, not sure they have the mettle right now to get over the line. Talent is there and coming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on August 29, 2023, 04:18:56 PM
Burren will not be toppled this year. Too fast, too strong and too good. Absolutely cruised against Warrenpoint in 2nd gear and still won by 4pts, and that's with McKernan gifting them a goal. Burren and Kilcoo final if they can stay apart in the draw (which the county board will make sure of) and then next best are Loughinisland. Expect quarter finals to be Island, Burren, Kilcoo, Glenn, Mayobridge, Clonduff and two others that squeeze through. Burren will come good
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on August 29, 2023, 04:47:32 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 29, 2023, 04:18:56 PM
Burren will not be toppled this year. Too fast, too strong and too good. Absolutely cruised against Warrenpoint in 2nd gear and still won by 4pts, and that's with McKernan gifting them a goal. Burren and Kilcoo final if they can stay apart in the draw (which the county board will make sure of) and then next best are Loughinisland. Expect quarter finals to be Island, Burren, Kilcoo, Glenn, Mayobridge, Clonduff and two others that squeeze through. Burren will come good

Kilcoo will beat them pulling up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on August 29, 2023, 07:02:12 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 29, 2023, 04:18:56 PM
Burren will not be toppled this year. Too fast, too strong and too good. Absolutely cruised against Warrenpoint in 2nd gear and still won by 4pts, and that's with McKernan gifting them a goal. Burren and Kilcoo final if they can stay apart in the draw (which the county board will make sure of) and then next best are Loughinisland. Expect quarter finals to be Island, Burren, Kilcoo, Glenn, Mayobridge, Clonduff and two others that squeeze through. Burren will come good

Are they bringing Houdini in to do the live draws? Such a comment. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 29, 2023, 09:18:08 PM
Quote from: upandwin on August 29, 2023, 04:18:56 PM
Burren will not be toppled this year. Too fast, too strong and too good. Absolutely cruised against Warrenpoint in 2nd gear and still won by 4pts, and that's with McKernan gifting them a goal. Burren and Kilcoo final if they can stay apart in the draw (which the county board will make sure of) and then next best are Loughinisland. Expect quarter finals to be Island, Burren, Kilcoo, Glenn, Mayobridge, Clonduff and two others that squeeze through. Burren will come good

So tell us, how do the county board make sure Kilcoo and Burren are kept apart during an open draw? Fascinated to hear what should be an intelligent reasoning for the statement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on August 29, 2023, 09:56:31 PM
Upandwin your on drugs if you think Burren will win championship, they will struggle to beat loughinisland and after Kilcoo easing past Carryduff you may hope Burren don't meet them at any stage because it might turn out to be embarrassing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 29, 2023, 10:06:30 PM
Quote from: FM on August 29, 2023, 12:40:04 AM
Quote from: County Star on August 27, 2023, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on August 27, 2023, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: Splash on August 27, 2023, 07:32:15 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on August 27, 2023, 05:44:54 PM
Eventful match between Glenn and Saval

Was some craic.
what happened?

Saval had 4 sent off and Glenn had one black carded.

Hearing Saval are getting back former keeper Fintan Havern ahead of the ballyholland clash, should be a boost for them in a position they've struggled with this season

Could be a good boost for them, but Saval's issues may be a lot deeper than a problem in nets. Discipline being the big problem from what I've been told. Assuming they'll be missing key players now for Ballyholand as well.

Still though. All is not lost. Some good footballers and whilst they wont be in the latter stages of the championship this year, with the right work put in by the right people, the club could do well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on August 29, 2023, 10:25:33 PM
East Belfast nets have already been vandalised after being erected only a couple of weeks ago.

Was inevitable that this would happen, but doesn't make it any less disappointing. No doubt the club will deal with this the same way they have dealt with every other obstacle they've faced and will only grow and develop as a result in spite of such intolerance.

A great club doing great things, with a great future ahead of them, no doubt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on August 30, 2023, 10:49:54 AM
Who was the Kilcoo no 10 in thon video?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on August 30, 2023, 10:53:13 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 30, 2023, 10:49:54 AM
Who was the Kilcoo no 10 in thon video?

Shealan Johnston. Also blindsided a Mayobridge player with a right hook last summer. Then ran away both times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 30, 2023, 10:54:35 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 30, 2023, 10:49:54 AM
Who was the Kilcoo no 10 in thon video?

The teamsheet is on Down GAA Twitter/X (to avoid naming names on this). Dirty action, but sure it's hardly a surprise. Not sure how a ref looking directly at it managed to miss it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 30, 2023, 01:04:34 PM
That time of year again. Let's all bash Kilcoo 😂😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on August 30, 2023, 01:11:23 PM
Can the Co Board take retrospective action against the Kilcoo No 10?  it is clear he put the knee on the lad on the ground?  Fair enough refs can miss things but can this go unpunished? 

Do the Co Board have the stones to take any action?  Probably not as they don't want to rock the boat with our county manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 30, 2023, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on August 30, 2023, 10:53:13 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 30, 2023, 10:49:54 AM
Who was the Kilcoo no 10 in thon video?

Shealan Johnston. Also blindsided a Mayobridge player with a right hook last summer. Then ran away both times.
Jesus lads if you are going to start this crap at least get your facts right, it was a burren player
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on August 30, 2023, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: PTC on August 30, 2023, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on August 30, 2023, 10:53:13 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 30, 2023, 10:49:54 AM
Who was the Kilcoo no 10 in thon video?

Shealan Johnston. Also blindsided a Mayobridge player with a right hook last summer. Then ran away both times.
Jesus lads if you are going to start this crap at least get your facts right, it was a burren player
But he is good at running away
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 30, 2023, 02:12:32 PM
Quote from: elk on August 30, 2023, 01:40:13 PM
Quote from: PTC on August 30, 2023, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on August 30, 2023, 10:53:13 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 30, 2023, 10:49:54 AM
Who was the Kilcoo no 10 in thon video?

Shealan Johnston. Also blindsided a Mayobridge player with a right hook last summer. Then ran away both times.
Jesus lads if you are going to start this crap at least get your facts right, it was a burren player
But he is good at running away
Yea he is an absolute flying machine
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on August 30, 2023, 03:33:39 PM
I don't think it's Kilcoo bashing, that makes it sound like it's not justified. Unsavoury incident, not in the spirit of the game but not the only team who has someone in their squad that's capable of doing the same thing. We all have at least one. How we remove it is the key and I don't have the solution here.
Not sure there can be retrospective action either?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on August 30, 2023, 04:01:13 PM
Agree every team has them. Kilcoo are just high profile team at the minute and any incident gets a lot of attention. The carryduff kilcoo wasnt a dirty game. A good game by 2 good teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on August 30, 2023, 04:20:55 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on August 30, 2023, 04:01:13 PM
Agree every team has them. Kilcoo are just high profile team at the minute and any incident gets a lot of attention. The carryduff kilcoo wasnt a dirty game. A good game by 2 good teams.

In the last 12 months, 3 clear videos have been shared of their t***pish antics... Burren, Carryduff with Brannagans cheapshot (and ran away), and now next example on Monday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 30, 2023, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on August 30, 2023, 04:20:55 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on August 30, 2023, 04:01:13 PM
Agree every team has them. Kilcoo are just high profile team at the minute and any incident gets a lot of attention. The carryduff kilcoo wasnt a dirty game. A good game by 2 good teams.

In the last 12 months, 3 clear videos have been shared of their t***pish antics... Burren, Carryduff with Brannagans cheapshot (and ran away), and now next example on Monday night.

Carryduff were the aggressors on Monday night and when Kilcoo upped it they couldn't live with them, Burren and Kilcoo were both guilty in last years match but we won't talk about Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on August 30, 2023, 07:09:13 PM
Quote from: PTC on August 30, 2023, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on August 30, 2023, 04:20:55 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on August 30, 2023, 04:01:13 PM
Agree every team has them. Kilcoo are just high profile team at the minute and any incident gets a lot of attention. The carryduff kilcoo wasnt a dirty game. A good game by 2 good teams.

In the last 12 months, 3 clear videos have been shared of their t***pish antics... Burren, Carryduff with Brannagans cheapshot (and ran away), and now next example on Monday night.

Carryduff were the aggressors on Monday night and when Kilcoo upped it they couldn't live with them, Burren and Kilcoo were both guilty in last years match but we won't talk about Burren

Poor Kilcoo, every club they ever play against from about U16 up instigates stuff against them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on August 30, 2023, 07:13:50 PM
Why is all the talk about this incident? Was there not a few sent off in the Glenn v saval match. I dont see any threads on this.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 30, 2023, 07:23:13 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on August 30, 2023, 07:13:50 PM
Why is all the talk about this incident? Was there not a few sent off in the Glenn v saval match. I dont see any threads on this.....

Kilcoo wasn't involved so it gets overlooked, seen the video of incident in saval game on twitter but it has been took down now
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on August 30, 2023, 09:03:04 PM
The county champions up to their usual dirty tricks at the weekend there, nothing less than we have come to expect from them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on August 30, 2023, 09:10:52 PM
Quote from: Lotto on August 30, 2023, 09:03:04 PM
The county champions up to their usual dirty tricks at the weekend there, nothing less than we have come to expect from them.

The first three words in your comment says it all. Do whatever it takes to be successful!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on August 30, 2023, 09:23:05 PM
Dirty tricks....Heard there was 4 sent off at glenn and saval. Review this match for dirty tricks...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on August 31, 2023, 07:40:27 AM
Quote from: PTC on August 30, 2023, 09:10:52 PM
Quote from: Lotto on August 30, 2023, 09:03:04 PM
The county champions up to their usual dirty tricks at the weekend there, nothing less than we have come to expect from them.

The first three words in your comment says it all. Do whatever it takes to be successful!

You land the wrong way on someone's head or neck, you can drastically and even potentially permanently alter someone's life. The day that is deemed to be acceptable in the pursuit of 'success' then its a game I'd no longer want to be associated with.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on August 31, 2023, 08:23:14 AM
That kind of shit is really bad. I don't understand how that boy got away with it - it should be a lengthy ban too. That club do seem to have their fair share of incidents like that from the outside looking in. Doing what it takes to win is fine when you're slowing games down, doing cynical fouls which aren't hurting people etc but when you are putting peoples personal safety at risk it's gone too far and tbh it is what a referee should be there to prevent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on August 31, 2023, 12:31:37 PM
Quote from: PTC on August 30, 2023, 09:10:52 PM
Quote from: Lotto on August 30, 2023, 09:03:04 PM
The county champions up to their usual dirty tricks at the weekend there, nothing less than we have come to expect from them.

The first three words in your comment says it all. Do whatever it takes to be successful!

Not much intelligence on display with that reply. Attempting to injure other players in order to win a football match is quite pathetic. And kneeling on a man's head is nothing but cowardly. Doesn't take a brave man to do that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eire90 on August 31, 2023, 02:34:14 PM
you can play dirty and hard within rules of game kneeing someone in the neck is assault 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dec on August 31, 2023, 03:46:47 PM
Has anyone watched a Down GAA TV game using the browser on a firestick? Or is the only way to get it on a TV to cast or attach a HDMI cable to a laptop?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 2badteams on August 31, 2023, 04:38:59 PM
Quote from: dec on August 31, 2023, 03:46:47 PM
Has anyone watched a Down GAA TV game using the browser on a firestick? Or is the only way to get it on a TV to cast or attach a HDMI cable to a laptop?

Yeah all the time,works grand
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 01, 2023, 10:15:22 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on August 30, 2023, 07:13:50 PM
Why is all the talk about this incident? Was there not a few sent off in the Glenn v saval match. I dont see any threads on this.....

96 weeks for one offender, pushing the referee, another two with 12 week bans for verbally abusing the referee and the others with two game bans for red card offences during the game.

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/08/31/news/saval_hit_with_suspensions_-_including_96-week_ban_-_in_wake_of_glenn_championship_clash-3575555/ (https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/08/31/news/saval_hit_with_suspensions_-_including_96-week_ban_-_in_wake_of_glenn_championship_clash-3575555/)

CB threatened this at the start of the year and seem to be following through on it, but we'll how they respond when some of the big teams fall foul of these new punishments.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 01, 2023, 11:09:54 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2023, 10:15:22 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on August 30, 2023, 07:13:50 PM
Why is all the talk about this incident? Was there not a few sent off in the Glenn v saval match. I dont see any threads on this.....

96 weeks for one offender, pushing the referee, another two with 12 week bans for verbally abusing the referee and the others with two game bans for red card offences during the game.

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/08/31/news/saval_hit_with_suspensions_-_including_96-week_ban_-_in_wake_of_glenn_championship_clash-3575555/ (https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/08/31/news/saval_hit_with_suspensions_-_including_96-week_ban_-_in_wake_of_glenn_championship_clash-3575555/)

CB threatened this at the start of the year and seem to be following through on it, but we'll how they respond when some of the big teams fall foul of these new punishments.

Kilcoo are to blame for this :)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on September 01, 2023, 01:34:36 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2023, 10:15:22 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on August 30, 2023, 07:13:50 PM
Why is all the talk about this incident? Was there not a few sent off in the Glenn v saval match. I dont see any threads on this.....

96 weeks for one offender, pushing the referee, another two with 12 week bans for verbally abusing the referee and the others with two game bans for red card offences during the game.

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/08/31/news/saval_hit_with_suspensions_-_including_96-week_ban_-_in_wake_of_glenn_championship_clash-3575555/ (https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/08/31/news/saval_hit_with_suspensions_-_including_96-week_ban_-_in_wake_of_glenn_championship_clash-3575555/)

CB threatened this at the start of the year and seem to be following through on it, but we'll how they respond when some of the big teams fall foul of these new punishments.

It should hopefully deter any potential abuse towards officials. Though there are some clubs who may not be so accepting and launch the usual appeals if they end up in a similar situation. It seems from the quotes in the article that Saval are taking their medicine and not appealing, and that's a rare occurrence these days across the GAA all over Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 01, 2023, 02:40:49 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on September 01, 2023, 01:34:36 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2023, 10:15:22 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on August 30, 2023, 07:13:50 PM
Why is all the talk about this incident? Was there not a few sent off in the Glenn v saval match. I dont see any threads on this.....

96 weeks for one offender, pushing the referee, another two with 12 week bans for verbally abusing the referee and the others with two game bans for red card offences during the game.

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/08/31/news/saval_hit_with_suspensions_-_including_96-week_ban_-_in_wake_of_glenn_championship_clash-3575555/ (https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/08/31/news/saval_hit_with_suspensions_-_including_96-week_ban_-_in_wake_of_glenn_championship_clash-3575555/)

CB threatened this at the start of the year and seem to be following through on it, but we'll how they respond when some of the big teams fall foul of these new punishments.

It should hopefully deter any potential abuse towards officials. Though there are some clubs who may not be so accepting and launch the usual appeals if they end up in a similar situation. It seems from the quotes in the article that Saval are taking their medicine and not appealing, and that's a rare occurrence these days across the GAA all over Ireland.

I'd be shocked if there isn't a £1K fine also looming over them for future conduct.

Some clubs are already on warnings  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on September 01, 2023, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2023, 02:40:49 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on September 01, 2023, 01:34:36 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2023, 10:15:22 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on August 30, 2023, 07:13:50 PM
Why is all the talk about this incident? Was there not a few sent off in the Glenn v saval match. I dont see any threads on this.....

96 weeks for one offender, pushing the referee, another two with 12 week bans for verbally abusing the referee and the others with two game bans for red card offences during the game.

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/08/31/news/saval_hit_with_suspensions_-_including_96-week_ban_-_in_wake_of_glenn_championship_clash-3575555/ (https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/08/31/news/saval_hit_with_suspensions_-_including_96-week_ban_-_in_wake_of_glenn_championship_clash-3575555/)

CB threatened this at the start of the year and seem to be following through on it, but we'll how they respond when some of the big teams fall foul of these new punishments.

It should hopefully deter any potential abuse towards officials. Though there are some clubs who may not be so accepting and launch the usual appeals if they end up in a similar situation. It seems from the quotes in the article that Saval are taking their medicine and not appealing, and that's a rare occurrence these days across the GAA all over Ireland.

I'd be shocked if there isn't a £1K fine also looming over them for future conduct.

Some clubs are already on warnings  ;)
Were Saval not involved in a very unsavoury game last year against Corduff in the ulster club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ClubScene13 on September 01, 2023, 06:32:49 PM
Quote from: statto on September 01, 2023, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2023, 02:40:49 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on September 01, 2023, 01:34:36 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 01, 2023, 10:15:22 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on August 30, 2023, 07:13:50 PM
Why is all the talk about this incident? Was there not a few sent off in the Glenn v saval match. I dont see any threads on this.....

96 weeks for one offender, pushing the referee, another two with 12 week bans for verbally abusing the referee and the others with two game bans for red card offences during the game.

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/08/31/news/saval_hit_with_suspensions_-_including_96-week_ban_-_in_wake_of_glenn_championship_clash-3575555/ (https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/08/31/news/saval_hit_with_suspensions_-_including_96-week_ban_-_in_wake_of_glenn_championship_clash-3575555/)

CB threatened this at the start of the year and seem to be following through on it, but we'll how they respond when some of the big teams fall foul of these new punishments.

It should hopefully deter any potential abuse towards officials. Though there are some clubs who may not be so accepting and launch the usual appeals if they end up in a similar situation. It seems from the quotes in the article that Saval are taking their medicine and not appealing, and that's a rare occurrence these days across the GAA all over Ireland.

I'd be shocked if there isn't a £1K fine also looming over them for future conduct.

Some clubs are already on warnings  ;)
Were Saval not involved in a very unsavoury game last year against Corduff in the ulster club?

I know absolutely nothing about Saval but reports out of Shane O'Neills (Armagh) and Galbally (Tyrone) who also met Corduff in Ulster, is that they were the most hateful shower you could come across
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on September 02, 2023, 11:01:20 PM
Burren give Loughinisland an awful pasting tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 02, 2023, 11:58:09 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on August 29, 2023, 09:56:31 PM
Upandwin your on drugs if you think Burren will win championship, they will struggle to beat loughinisland and after Kilcoo easing past Carryduff you may hope Burren don't meet them at any stage because it might turn out to be embarrassing

Aye struggled alright by the looks of it ye clown🤡
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 03, 2023, 05:04:17 AM
Every team is entitled to an off day, at no point did I say Island would win championship but Burren won't , Burren got of to the perfect start last night and Island could not recover , your crowing as if you have won the OHare cup, long way to go!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 03, 2023, 11:57:49 AM
Not saying we've won anything yet. But when you have Odhran, Liam, Danny in your team I think we will beat anyone that's put in front of us. That's not a disrespect to Kilcoo but think Burren will come of age now and we've won our first two games in second gear. Don't think you'd see anyone else dismantle CPN and Island in cruise control.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 03, 2023, 01:44:30 PM
Fair point upandwin, Burren have looked sharp and pacey all over, bar yourselves and Carryduff I can't see a new champion but when it comes to knockout football you never no, by the way every one is entitled to an opinion even a clown can have one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on September 03, 2023, 02:05:30 PM
I think odhran, liam and Danny are the top 3 players in the county at present. They will cause any team problems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 03, 2023, 02:22:54 PM
Add Peter Fegan, Paddy McCarthy and Ryan Magill  to Burrens big 3, and they are definitely the biggest threat to Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 03, 2023, 06:53:21 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on August 29, 2023, 09:56:31 PM
Upandwin your on drugs if you think Burren will win championship, they will struggle to beat loughinisland and after Kilcoo easing past Carryduff you may hope Burren don't meet them at any stage because it might turn out to be embarrassing

You're right Cuan. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, shouldn't be accused of taking narcotics after expressing their own opinion. Ghluck
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 03, 2023, 09:18:57 PM
We stumbled, we staggered, we were ahead, we were behind - but we are still in the pot.. Roll on tomorrow night for the draw.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on September 03, 2023, 09:51:56 PM
Kilcoo looked like they had so much left in the tank in their victory this evening. If the draw is kind and keeps Kilcoo and Burren apart, we could have one of the best finals in years.

Ballyholland and Glenn had impressive victories as well today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dunsilly King on September 04, 2023, 09:55:34 AM
Can i ask a question, did the Kilcoo num 10 get a suspension following the video of him putting his knee unto the head of a player who was laying on the ground?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 04, 2023, 10:36:45 AM
Quote from: Dunsilly King on September 04, 2023, 09:55:34 AM
Can i ask a question, did the Kilcoo num 10 get a suspension following the video of him putting his knee unto the head of a player who was laying on the ground?

This is not how the GAA disciplinary system works.

Unless CCC are informed directly of an incident by either the referee or one of the competing clubs, then they have no business in setting up an investigation.

Think about it. CCC administer about 200 games a week during the summer months. Were they to create their own investigation into any single incident caught on camera, then they'd have to follow the same process for every incident that gets shared around the county. And to do such an investigation properly they'd need access to and then review unedited footage for several minutes either side of the incident to gauge context. And then they'd have to discipline anyone and everyone who misbehaves during that longer footage.

And then, because of how things work, either the Hearings committee or DRA would simply dismiss the suspension anyway.

You might not like it. But this is how it works. Don't blame the county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dunsilly King on September 04, 2023, 11:52:59 AM
Can you clarify was the video footage not the official video being streamed, ie permission given by the CB?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 04, 2023, 12:27:50 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 04, 2023, 10:36:45 AM
Quote from: Dunsilly King on September 04, 2023, 09:55:34 AM
Can i ask a question, did the Kilcoo num 10 get a suspension following the video of him putting his knee unto the head of a player who was laying on the ground?

This is not how the GAA disciplinary system works.

Unless CCC are informed directly of an incident by either the referee or one of the competing clubs, then they have no business in setting up an investigation.

Think about it. CCC administer about 200 games a week during the summer months. Were they to create their own investigation into any single incident caught on camera, then they'd have to follow the same process for every incident that gets shared around the county. And to do such an investigation properly they'd need access to and then review unedited footage for several minutes either side of the incident to gauge context. And then they'd have to discipline anyone and everyone who misbehaves during that longer footage.

And then, because of how things work, either the Hearings committee or DRA would simply dismiss the suspension anyway.

You might not like it. But this is how it works. Don't blame the county board.

Do you not have to provide the full game unedited before CCC will look at an incident?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 04, 2023, 12:57:42 PM
Johnny Glynn in yesterday's game on tg4 was outrageous, made Johnsons incident look tame in comparison.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dunsilly King on September 04, 2023, 01:00:58 PM
Have to agree with that, just mental stuff. Fella is unhinged doing that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 04, 2023, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: Dunsilly King on September 04, 2023, 11:52:59 AM
Can you clarify was the video footage not the official video being streamed, ie permission given by the CB?

This is an irrelevant point.

CCC should not and cannot be more inclined to proactively launch investigations and review footage from matches they live stream over other matches.

Can they get their hands on high quality footage here? Of course they can. But if they were to do so purely of their own accord, their actions would then be described as a witch hunt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on September 04, 2023, 01:09:15 PM
So what triggers them to do an investigation into any incident if they have the appropriate video footage?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 04, 2023, 01:54:00 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2023, 01:09:15 PM
So what triggers them to do an investigation into any incident if they have the appropriate video footage?

1. If the referee's report highlights that an incident took place, which might require further investigation.

Or

2. One of the competing teams submits a complaint to the CCC and requests an investigation.

——

What people need to understand here is that it is not in CCC's interests to open an investigation unless requested to do so. By following this approach, they can be regarded as unbiased. The very moment a CCC member independently tries to launch an investigation, is the same moment that cries of a witch hunt echo out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 04, 2023, 02:46:43 PM
Well put Wobbler. Case closed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on September 04, 2023, 03:15:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 04, 2023, 01:54:00 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2023, 01:09:15 PM
So what triggers them to do an investigation into any incident if they have the appropriate video footage?

1. If the referee's report highlights that an incident took place, which might require further investigation.

Or

2. One of the competing teams submits a complaint to the CCC and requests an investigation.

——

What people need to understand here is that it is not in CCC's interests to open an investigation unless requested to do so. By following this approach, they can be regarded as unbiased. The very moment a CCC member independently tries to launch an investigation, is the same moment that cries of a witch hunt echo out.

Thanks.

Carryduff then should 100% be putting in a complaint. That stuff there has no place on the field. Same for the Galway hurling incident.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 04, 2023, 03:20:12 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2023, 03:15:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 04, 2023, 01:54:00 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2023, 01:09:15 PM
So what triggers them to do an investigation into any incident if they have the appropriate video footage?

1. If the referee's report highlights that an incident took place, which might require further investigation.

Or

2. One of the competing teams submits a complaint to the CCC and requests an investigation.

——

What people need to understand here is that it is not in CCC's interests to open an investigation unless requested to do so. By following this approach, they can be regarded as unbiased. The very moment a CCC member independently tries to launch an investigation, is the same moment that cries of a witch hunt echo out.

Thanks.

Carryduff then should 100% be putting in a complaint. That stuff there has no place on the field. Same for the Galway hurling incident.

Teams don't want to be seen as sore losers and no one is entirely squeaky clean either, but yes it's time these cheap shots are called out.

Gone are the days a lad done anything like that to a teammate and they'd be nursing sore ribs the day after!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on September 04, 2023, 03:27:17 PM
There's a line though and that's way over it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 04, 2023, 07:02:29 PM
Quote from: ardtole on September 04, 2023, 12:57:42 PM
Johnny Glynn in yesterday's game on tg4 was outrageous, made Johnsons incident look tame in comparison.

Watched it, had to rewind just to be sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on September 05, 2023, 09:44:35 AM
Need to clamp down of these incidents.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on September 05, 2023, 03:52:26 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2023, 03:15:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 04, 2023, 01:54:00 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2023, 01:09:15 PM
So what triggers them to do an investigation into any incident if they have the appropriate video footage?

1. If the referee's report highlights that an incident took place, which might require further investigation.

Or

2. One of the competing teams submits a complaint to the CCC and requests an investigation.

——

What people need to understand here is that it is not in CCC's interests to open an investigation unless requested to do so. By following this approach, they can be regarded as unbiased. The very moment a CCC member independently tries to launch an investigation, is the same moment that cries of a witch hunt echo out.

Thanks.

Carryduff then should 100% be putting in a complaint. That stuff there has no place on the field. Same for the Galway hurling incident.

Carryduff the whiter than white bastion of fair play  and decency ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: delgany on September 05, 2023, 04:08:33 PM
Quote from: County Star on September 05, 2023, 03:52:26 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2023, 03:15:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 04, 2023, 01:54:00 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2023, 01:09:15 PM
So what triggers them to do an investigation into any incident if they have the appropriate video footage?

1. If the referee's report highlights that an incident took place, which might require further investigation.

Or

2. One of the competing teams submits a complaint to the CCC and requests an investigation.

——

What people need to understand here is that it is not in CCC's interests to open an investigation unless requested to do so. By following this approach, they can be regarded as unbiased. The very moment a CCC member independently tries to launch an investigation, is the same moment that cries of a witch hunt echo out.

Thanks.

Carryduff then should 100% be putting in a complaint. That stuff there has no place on the field. Same for the Galway hurling incident.

Carryduff the whiter than white bastion of fair play  and decency ?

You have 3 days after game to request an investigation or lodge a complaint
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on September 06, 2023, 11:15:32 AM
If orahan murdock heads to aussie rules then that would be a big blow to down football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 06, 2023, 11:19:38 AM
It would be a huge blow to Down and Burren. I came across the article yesterday, it said there were 2 week trial taking place in Australia at the end of this month, is he likely to miss any Burren sfc games?  Is he definitely going?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on September 06, 2023, 12:12:04 PM
Big blow for Down and Burren. At moment it's just trials. I'd be surprised if he isn't offered a rookie contract with a club. If he gets the chance to play professional sport then best of luck to the lad.  Massive loss though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 08, 2023, 01:22:17 AM
Páirc Esler has been chosen as the venue to host the return of the hurling-shinty International Rules Series between Ireland and Scotland. An unexpected but welcome surprise. Was expecting to have to trek down the country, something just not as enjoyable in the winter months, so great that it is on the doorstep. Wouldn't know much about composite rules hurling, but whatever way you look at it, it's either an honour for Down to act as the home pitch for the national team playing the national sport of Ireland, or it's a great novelty and something to talk about. Either way, no bad thing.

Will be hopeful for an Irish victory- been nearly ten years apparently since Ireland last won a series.

Wonder how much of a feature Down players will get. Assuming that the competition will draw from players at the McDonagh/Ring level, as opposed to the MacCarhy level, surely you would expect to see a few Down heads in the mix? 

Great to see Páirc Esler getting a bit of use for stuff outside the purposes of Down GAA. Would be unreasonable to expect Newry to be treated like Clones or the Athletic Grounds, but it is a good location; where north meets south. Would never expect it to be used for Ulster or National League finals, but for stuff like All Ireland Club Semi Finals, matches between teams from down south and teams from Antirm/Derry, it could be a good choice.

Also glad Newry has been chosen and not McKenna Park in Ballycran. Ballycran is an absolute great club, and I'm sure it was never going to be considered, but more hurling needs to be showcased in Newry. I'm sure a lot of lads from the Ards will disagree, but it's great to have the hurling finals in Newry. It would be great if Down played more hurling games in Newry. I completely understand that people in the Ards will wonder where the wisdom is in moving 2 clubs across the county to play a game, but I think the more hurling is showcased in South Down, the better the effect for Down Hurling overall.
A lot of people in Down either view hurling as a minority game and underestimate the County's  standing, or view it as something those ones on the Ards Peninsula get up to so leave them at it. We simply cannot keep relying on 3 small, rural clubs to uphold the County Scene. Keeping hurling confided to the Ards, whilst handy for most, doesn't do anything to help the game.
If Bryansford were to play Kilcoo in the football final, we wouldn't expect the game to be held in Castlewellen. We'd expect it to be held in the county stadium. Hurling has to become of a similar mindset. Hurling has to spread beyond the Ards in order for Down to flourish, and opportunities like this are great for that.

But that's a discussion to be had next month when the inconvenience comes to life of people from the Ards having to drive over an hour just to watch their team play the parish that is normally 5 minutes down the road  :-X

In the meantime, it's great to know that Down GAA is playing host to an international hurling event, and hopefully plenty of Down Gaels take a notion to see what the craic is and go have a look.

Is it too early to start telling the Scots that the home of hurling isn't Thurles- it's Newry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 08, 2023, 09:42:37 AM
Quote from: Splash on September 08, 2023, 01:22:17 AM
Páirc Esler has been chosen as the venue to host the return of the hurling-shinty International Rules Series between Ireland and Scotland. An unexpected but welcome surprise. Was expecting to have to trek down the country, something just not as enjoyable in the winter months, so great that it is on the doorstep. Wouldn't know much about composite rules hurling, but whatever way you look at it, it's either an honour for Down to act as the home pitch for the national team playing the national sport of Ireland, or it's a great novelty and something to talk about. Either way, no bad thing.

Will be hopeful for an Irish victory- been nearly ten years apparently since Ireland last won a series.

Wonder how much of a feature Down players will get. Assuming that the competition will draw from players at the McDonagh/Ring level, as opposed to the MacCarhy level, surely you would expect to see a few Down heads in the mix? 

Great to see Páirc Esler getting a bit of use for stuff outside the purposes of Down GAA. Would be unreasonable to expect Newry to be treated like Clones or the Athletic Grounds, but it is a good location; where north meets south. Would never expect it to be used for Ulster or National League finals, but for stuff like All Ireland Club Semi Finals, matches between teams from down south and teams from Antirm/Derry, it could be a good choice.

Also glad Newry has been chosen and not McKenna Park in Ballycran. Ballycran is an absolute great club, and I'm sure it was never going to be considered, but more hurling needs to be showcased in Newry. I'm sure a lot of lads from the Ards will disagree, but it's great to have the hurling finals in Newry. It would be great if Down played more hurling games in Newry. I completely understand that people in the Ards will wonder where the wisdom is in moving 2 clubs across the county to play a game, but I think the more hurling is showcased in South Down, the better the effect for Down Hurling overall.
A lot of people in Down either view hurling as a minority game and underestimate the County's  standing, or view it as something those ones on the Ards Peninsula get up to so leave them at it. We simply cannot keep relying on 3 small, rural clubs to uphold the County Scene. Keeping hurling confided to the Ards, whilst handy for most, doesn't do anything to help the game.
If Bryansford were to play Kilcoo in the football final, we wouldn't expect the game to be held in Castlewellen. We'd expect it to be held in the county stadium. Hurling has to become of a similar mindset. Hurling has to spread beyond the Ards in order for Down to flourish, and opportunities like this are great for that.

But that's a discussion to be had next month when the inconvenience comes to life of people from the Ards having to drive over an hour just to watch their team play the parish that is normally 5 minutes down the road  :-X

In the meantime, it's great to know that Down GAA is playing host to an international hurling event, and hopefully plenty of Down Gaels take a notion to see what the craic is and go have a look.

Is it too early to start telling the Scots that the home of hurling isn't Thurles- it's Newry?

The last two, maybe three senior hurling finals have been played in Newry and whilst the ferry boat is an absolute pain in the hole, not to mention additional expense there's been no complaints for the Ards teams in relation to this.

As for the Shinty thing, it's great to say you've represented your country for any hurler but the game itself is utter písh as well as pretty dangerous for the Irish lads.
We'd a lad played over in Scotland, got the ankle well mangled when hit full belt with a shinty stick which is far longer and harder than an ash hurl.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 08, 2023, 11:06:22 PM


Honest question.

How many years of anti-entertainment will it take before we just stop going to games?

Can we really expect neutrals and peripheral club people to go along to championship games if there's nothing even remotely approaching a championship atmosphere or intensity?

I'm not even sure if club football has bottomed out yet. Every year it gets worse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on September 09, 2023, 12:34:04 AM
Coaching, tactics etc aside, for as long as there is a back door the Championship atmosphere is dead
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on September 09, 2023, 12:58:44 AM
The game in Kilcoo tonight was crap. This was notlhing to do with modern coaching but the reality was one team was superior to l the other. Are you trying to tell me this did not happen in the last 50 years? Of course it did. Memories are short, we all think summers were filled with sunshine, not true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 09, 2023, 01:51:05 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 08, 2023, 09:42:37 AM
Quote from: Splash on September 08, 2023, 01:22:17 AM
Páirc Esler has been chosen as the venue to host the return of the hurling-shinty International Rules Series between Ireland and Scotland. An unexpected but welcome surprise. Was expecting to have to trek down the country, something just not as enjoyable in the winter months, so great that it is on the doorstep. Wouldn't know much about composite rules hurling, but whatever way you look at it, it's either an honour for Down to act as the home pitch for the national team playing the national sport of Ireland, or it's a great novelty and something to talk about. Either way, no bad thing.

Will be hopeful for an Irish victory- been nearly ten years apparently since Ireland last won a series.

Wonder how much of a feature Down players will get. Assuming that the competition will draw from players at the McDonagh/Ring level, as opposed to the MacCarhy level, surely you would expect to see a few Down heads in the mix? 

Great to see Páirc Esler getting a bit of use for stuff outside the purposes of Down GAA. Would be unreasonable to expect Newry to be treated like Clones or the Athletic Grounds, but it is a good location; where north meets south. Would never expect it to be used for Ulster or National League finals, but for stuff like All Ireland Club Semi Finals, matches between teams from down south and teams from Antirm/Derry, it could be a good choice.

Also glad Newry has been chosen and not McKenna Park in Ballycran. Ballycran is an absolute great club, and I'm sure it was never going to be considered, but more hurling needs to be showcased in Newry. I'm sure a lot of lads from the Ards will disagree, but it's great to have the hurling finals in Newry. It would be great if Down played more hurling games in Newry. I completely understand that people in the Ards will wonder where the wisdom is in moving 2 clubs across the county to play a game, but I think the more hurling is showcased in South Down, the better the effect for Down Hurling overall.
A lot of people in Down either view hurling as a minority game and underestimate the County's  standing, or view it as something those ones on the Ards Peninsula get up to so leave them at it. We simply cannot keep relying on 3 small, rural clubs to uphold the County Scene. Keeping hurling confided to the Ards, whilst handy for most, doesn't do anything to help the game.
If Bryansford were to play Kilcoo in the football final, we wouldn't expect the game to be held in Castlewellen. We'd expect it to be held in the county stadium. Hurling has to become of a similar mindset. Hurling has to spread beyond the Ards in order for Down to flourish, and opportunities like this are great for that.

But that's a discussion to be had next month when the inconvenience comes to life of people from the Ards having to drive over an hour just to watch their team play the parish that is normally 5 minutes down the road  :-X

In the meantime, it's great to know that Down GAA is playing host to an international hurling event, and hopefully plenty of Down Gaels take a notion to see what the craic is and go have a look.

Is it too early to start telling the Scots that the home of hurling isn't Thurles- it's Newry?

The last two, maybe three senior hurling finals have been played in Newry and whilst the ferry boat is an absolute pain in the hole, not to mention additional expense there's been no complaints for the Ards teams in relation to this.

As for the Shinty thing, it's great to say you've represented your country for any hurler but the game itself is utter písh as well as pretty dangerous for the Irish lads.
We'd a lad played over in Scotland, got the ankle well mangled when hit full belt with a shinty stick which is far longer and harder than an ash hurl.

Great to hear that fellas on the Ards don't mind the journey for the final. Last year heard a few weren't pleased at the final being in Newry, but as long as most people don't mind, that's great.

Not expecting a showcase of a game for the shinty, but it will be a great novelty at the very least and hopefully be a good talking point. The rules can make things awkward enough for the Irish lads, though, imo. Not being able to catch or kick the ball, etc., very natural parts of hurling, undoubtedly makes it difficult.
All the same, I hope it's a good bit of craic, and as you say, an honour for anyone to play for their country.

Those shinty sticks are a piece of work. Was playing a game myself in Glasgow one time and got a look at them. Wouldn't say a slap off one would be too nice.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 09, 2023, 02:19:23 AM
Interesting championship hurling coming up in the next few days.

Will be interesting to see how competitive Ballygalget are with Portaferry. Not too much to be said on this game. Both teams will be in the semi finals. Would expect portaferry to come away with the win, but you never know with these sort of matches. Portaferry weren't miles better that Liatroim, so a Ballygalget victory very much possible in my opinion.

Great chance for Liatroim to take a massive scalp when they host Ballycran. They will feel after the Portaferry game that they are within touching distance of rattling the Ards teams. A full firing Liatroim team has it in them to shock the system and get the win.
Despite this, Ballycran are the strongest team in Down atm. A fully firing Ballycran team will beat a fully firing Liatroim team. Not sure if Liatroim defence can deal with the power of the Ballycran attack.
Will be good to see Paul Sheehan playing on South Down soil.  ;)

Newry Shamrocks v Bredagh to see who finishes bottom. Expect Bredagh to win. The game is in Belfast and Bredagh simply a better hurling side than Newry.
Awful year for both teams, not hitting anywhere near the highs they were in previous years. Particularly Bredagh. Have made so much progress in recent years and seemed to collapse this year. Hopefully just a bad run and they will be back soon. Same for Shamrocks.

I know bottom two of senior championship get entered into this years intermediate championship at the knockout stage, but will both teams be relegated as well for next year? Would mean you could potentially end up with 6 or 7 teams in the intermediate championship next year. Wouldn't expect either team to win intermediate atm either, tbh.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 09, 2023, 04:25:29 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on September 09, 2023, 12:58:44 AM
The game in Kilcoo tonight was crap. This was notlhing to do with modern coaching but the reality was one team was superior to l the other. Are you trying to tell me this did not happen in the last 50 years? Of course it did. Memories are short, we all think summers were filled with sunshine, not true.

For the decade or so I was involved with Ballyholland senior football, we were routinely slapped in the SFC. So I'm not trying to tell you hidings are a new phenomenon.

But I'm absolutely sure it was never as boring as what we now have.

This is where we are at now. Players in the gym all year round. Group training getting underway before Christmas, running around with the utter nonsense that is GPS strapped to their back ever since. Days of video analysis per season. Pushing out holidays, lads weekends, weddings, summers abroad.

All of these measures in place, and not one of them doing a single thing to improve the game. It's just teams losing by more than they ever did, except absolutely shit scared to compete at midfield, or to kick the ball forwards.

Our game is fucked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 10, 2023, 01:21:04 AM
Some good intermediate hurling coming up.

Warrenpoint face their toughest test in a long time when they host Carryduff. It was said to me in recent weeks that there are no intermediate teams in Down, only senior and junior. Could be a tough day for the Point.
In saying that, once upon a time Carryduff were new to intermediate hurling too, and have taken their fair share of beatings. The Point have taken plenty of beatings over the years, and look at them now. It's a period of growth for hurling in the club and great to see them competing at such a level.
Argument to be made that CPN are second best club in the intermediate, and this will be a learning day either way.
Fully expect Carryduff to go on a good Ulster, if not All Ireland run, and will come away with the win. At the same time, Warrenpoint will be no pushover. Have incredibly dangerous forwards in the form of John O'Kane, and the team is not of a poor standard. A great opportunity to test themselves and gauche where they are, and figure out what the next steps are for hurling in the club.
Great to see two teams from opposite ends of the county meet in a hurling match. Shows hurling is growing across the county, and hopefully both teams continue to promote hurling within their respective towns.

Ballers v Clonduff will be an interesting game.
Clonduff the most Jekyll and Hyde team in the county atm. Inclined to lose to Ballela before turning things around beating the Point out the gate. You just don't know which Clonduff team will turn up. Played Castlewellen a few weeks ago and were by miles the better team, before salvaging a draw against East Belfast not long after that.
Expect Clonduff to win in the end. But wouldn't be too surprised if they find themselves back in the Junior Championship.
2 of the most physical teams in Down, so will be interesting to see who dominates. Clonduff seem to have better level of fitness than Ballela which may play a massive factor.
Ballela will sense this is a massive opportunity to prove they haven't gone away. Johnny McCusker really changes the team when he is playing. The last time these teams met, the Clonduff defence couldn't handle him. However, one man can't win a game, and other lads in Ballela will need to step up if they are to seriously rattle Clonduff.

A couple weeks ago, I'd have said clonduff May have had it in them to give Carryduff a bloody nose, so will be interesting to see if they can bring that level to Ballela. 

Should be a good, old fashioned sort of game. Mightn't bring the flair that'll be happening in the senior championship, but will be no less enjoyable.

Hopefully we will have a less eventful affair than last years championship meeting between the two, and manage to get through the game without anyone getting their ear sliced off this time!  :-X
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 10, 2023, 11:10:57 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 09, 2023, 04:25:29 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on September 09, 2023, 12:58:44 AM
The game in Kilcoo tonight was crap. This was notlhing to do with modern coaching but the reality was one team was superior to l the other. Are you trying to tell me this did not happen in the last 50 years? Of course it did. Memories are short, we all think summers were filled with sunshine, not true.

For the decade or so I was involved with Ballyholland senior football, we were routinely slapped in the SFC. So I'm not trying to tell you hidings are a new phenomenon.

But I'm absolutely sure it was never as boring as what we now have.

This is where we are at now. Players in the gym all year round. Group training getting underway before Christmas, running around with the utter nonsense that is GPS strapped to their back ever since. Days of video analysis per season. Pushing out holidays, lads weekends, weddings, summers abroad.

All of these measures in place, and not one of them doing a single thing to improve the game. It's just teams losing by more than they ever did, except absolutely shit scared to compete at midfield, or to kick the ball forwards.

Our game is fucked.

I feel your pain
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 10, 2023, 02:19:39 PM
You are right wobbler; football is a hobby and shouldn't require SAS type training. But once one team hires and expensive manager, a fitness trainer, gymwork over the winter etc, every team has to do it; we are running to stand still. Is it practical for a married man with kids to play senior football any more? Numbers getting fewer and fewer, I'd guess. Same for any young person who needs to advance his career  by travelling
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on September 10, 2023, 09:11:49 PM
It's not necessarily the commitment levels that need to change, moreso effort vs reward balance.
Tonight in Newry two teams so negative they looked like they had forgot how to attack. Players in space turning to go bakward & under no pressure. Sweepers dropping back  for the sake of it.

I honestly think the only way it changes is a rule change. People paying in to watch the negative football on display & nearly every Team in the country setting up.the same way. It's pure shite on display!

Something has to give.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on September 10, 2023, 10:37:31 PM
You could pick the best 15 of Mayobridge and CPN and they still wouldn't beat Burren or Kilcoo. Was like watching an intermediate game this eve, two teams that have no identity. Mayobridge will get hammered by whoever they play next unless they draw Glenn. You could tell a mile off that Warrenpoint have had no manager all year, look like they're winging it with zero plan. No shape, their best players in their own half at all times, like watching an U-12 team that. Down football is in a bad place, Burren then Kilcoo then the rest this year I suspect.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on September 11, 2023, 08:21:38 AM
When is the draw for the next round?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 11, 2023, 08:28:02 AM
After tonight's game usually.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 11, 2023, 09:12:50 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 10, 2023, 10:37:31 PM
You could pick the best 15 of Mayobridge and CPN and they still wouldn't beat Burren or Kilcoo. Was like watching an intermediate game this eve, two teams that have no identity. Mayobridge will get hammered by whoever they play next unless they draw Glenn. You could tell a mile off that Warrenpoint have had no manager all year, look like they're winging it with zero plan. No shape, their best players in their own half at all times, like watching an U-12 team that. Down football is in a bad place, Burren then Kilcoo then the rest this year I suspect.

Last nights game was better than the Town v RGU. Castlewellen will need a few more players if they are to compete in the top division. Warrenpoint have regressed dramatically since last year and the Bridge never looked in trouble last night and if they had their shooting boots it would have been a hammering.
Its Kilcoo' s title to lose. But the standard has been really poor across the board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on September 11, 2023, 11:44:27 AM
The crowds at games are really poor for championship football, I know some will say its the quality on show but I dont believe it is. The same style of football is played all across the province. I would like to know how successful DownTv is, as it is a great service etc and especially great for those who physically cannot make games, but is it causing a significant detriment to attendances at games? The format of championship also means little neutrals attend games until knockout, crowds will hopefully increase next weekend but a good championship requires a good atmosphere and I think either keep games out of Newry until later stages, host double headers again or go back to knockout format.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 11, 2023, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 09, 2023, 04:25:29 PM
Quote from: Sandstorm on September 09, 2023, 12:58:44 AM
The game in Kilcoo tonight was crap. This was notlhing to do with modern coaching but the reality was one team was superior to l the other. Are you trying to tell me this did not happen in the last 50 years? Of course it did. Memories are short, we all think summers were filled with sunshine, not true.

For the decade or so I was involved with Ballyholland senior football, we were routinely slapped in the SFC. So I'm not trying to tell you hidings are a new phenomenon.

But I'm absolutely sure it was never as boring as what we now have.

This is where we are at now. Players in the gym all year round. Group training getting underway before Christmas, running around with the utter nonsense that is GPS strapped to their back ever since. Days of video analysis per season. Pushing out holidays, lads weekends, weddings, summers abroad.

All of these measures in place, and not one of them doing a single thing to improve the game. It's just teams losing by more than they ever did, except absolutely shit scared to compete at midfield, or to kick the ball forwards.

Our game is fucked.

That first half on Friday was the worst quality in the championship this year.
I agree that the game needs changed, all the coaches play the same style, the rules needs changed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 11, 2023, 12:22:03 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 11, 2023, 09:12:50 AM
Quote from: upandwin on September 10, 2023, 10:37:31 PM
You could pick the best 15 of Mayobridge and CPN and they still wouldn't beat Burren or Kilcoo. Was like watching an intermediate game this eve, two teams that have no identity. Mayobridge will get hammered by whoever they play next unless they draw Glenn. You could tell a mile off that Warrenpoint have had no manager all year, look like they're winging it with zero plan. No shape, their best players in their own half at all times, like watching an U-12 team that. Down football is in a bad place, Burren then Kilcoo then the rest this year I suspect.

Last nights game was better than the Town v RGU. Castlewellan will need a few more players if they are to compete in the top division. Warrenpoint have regressed dramatically since last year and the Bridge never looked in trouble last night and if they had their shooting boots it would have been a hammering.
Its Kilcoo' s title to lose. But the standard has been really poor across the board.

Unfortunately this is true, over the past 2-3 years Warrenpoint have gone from a fast free flowing football team under Niall Mc Aleenan who were a match for any team in the county and good to watch, to a very static team with a negative approach to the game and terrible to watch. People in Warrenpoint may say this is because a few of their better players have moved on and a few are the wrong side of thirty plus Murdock and Lynch are injured ( I'm sure most clubs have the same issues ). But to me the next generation they have coming through either are being coached differently or they just haven't the same quality/ability as the men they are expected to replace . The next year or two could difficult ones for the Point.

I agree the standard has been poor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on September 11, 2023, 12:42:04 PM
Truth Hurts, Rule changes do not work. Football will continue to change. It is more scientific now with the stats dictating what is the best way to beat a team whether it be playing everyone behind the ball or whether it be kicking etc etc, rules wont change that, if you change a rule any coach or coaches will work around it. Tell us a rule that could change the so called negative football. 40,000 a week go
To every stadium in England to watch soccer stand and pass sideways and back ways and walk with the ball for some small glimpse of excitement when a break is on. It is no different, tactical game that is about results and not conceding.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 12, 2023, 10:14:40 AM
Last night, Loughinisland threw it away, but Carryduff showed grit to win. Although their match against Kilcoo will be interesting, Kilcoo will win and cruise to yet another county championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on September 12, 2023, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 12, 2023, 10:14:40 AM
Last night, Loughinisland threw it away, but Carryduff showed grit to win. Although their match against Kilcoo will be interesting, Kilcoo will win and cruise to yet another county championship.

In what way did  Loughinisland throw it away?

Carryduff outscored them in the second half & to most people they would have been favourites as they have a better panel of players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 12, 2023, 02:26:57 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on September 12, 2023, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on September 12, 2023, 10:14:40 AM
Last night, Loughinisland threw it away, but Carryduff showed grit to win. Although their match against Kilcoo will be interesting, Kilcoo will win and cruise to yet another county championship.

In what way did  Loughinisland throw it away?

Carryduff outscored them in the second half & to most people they would have been favourites as they have a better panel of players.

I felt they missed a few easy scores and will be disappointed they lost control of the game early in the second half.
Carryduff would have wanted an easier draw than Kilcoo but that's the championship and there are no easy games from the quarters onwards.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 13, 2023, 09:17:27 PM
Another season comes to an end and in disappointing circumstances. I honestly thought we were capable of beating Mayobridge at the weekend and with the draw they got we could have ended up in a semi final if we overcame a division 3 Glen.
I would like to just put this year behind us and start afresh. I would like to thank John Boyle and his management team for stepping in at a difficult time after losing two management setups in a matter of months. We are still in division one which is massive for our club and hopefully the players can go now and take a good break and return fresh and ready for 2024.
Who we will have at the helm - god knows - I just hope we can get it sorted sooner rather than later so the preparation for 2024 can begin.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 14, 2023, 08:18:42 AM
Quote from: Splash on September 10, 2023, 01:21:04 AM
Some good intermediate hurling coming up.

Warrenpoint face their toughest test in a long time when they host Carryduff. It was said to me in recent weeks that there are no intermediate teams in Down, only senior and junior. Could be a tough day for the Point.
In saying that, once upon a time Carryduff were new to intermediate hurling too, and have taken their fair share of beatings. The Point have taken plenty of beatings over the years, and look at them now. It's a period of growth for hurling in the club and great to see them competing at such a level.
Argument to be made that CPN are second best club in the intermediate, and this will be a learning day either way.
Fully expect Carryduff to go on a good Ulster, if not All Ireland run, and will come away with the win. At the same time, Warrenpoint will be no pushover. Have incredibly dangerous forwards in the form of John O'Kane, and the team is not of a poor standard. A great opportunity to test themselves and gauche where they are, and figure out what the next steps are for hurling in the club.
Great to see two teams from opposite ends of the county meet in a hurling match. Shows hurling is growing across the county, and hopefully both teams continue to promote hurling within their respective towns.

Ballers v Clonduff will be an interesting game.
Clonduff the most Jekyll and Hyde team in the county atm. Inclined to lose to Ballela before turning things around beating the Point out the gate. You just don't know which Clonduff team will turn up. Played Castlewellen a few weeks ago and were by miles the better team, before salvaging a draw against East Belfast not long after that.
Expect Clonduff to win in the end. But wouldn't be too surprised if they find themselves back in the Junior Championship.
2 of the most physical teams in Down, so will be interesting to see who dominates. Clonduff seem to have better level of fitness than Ballela which may play a massive factor.
Ballela will sense this is a massive opportunity to prove they haven't gone away. Johnny McCusker really changes the team when he is playing. The last time these teams met, the Clonduff defence couldn't handle him. However, one man can't win a game, and other lads in Ballela will need to step up if they are to seriously rattle Clonduff.

A couple weeks ago, I'd have said clonduff May have had it in them to give Carryduff a bloody nose, so will be interesting to see if they can bring that level to Ballela. 

Should be a good, old fashioned sort of game. Mightn't bring the flair that'll be happening in the senior championship, but will be no less enjoyable.

Hopefully we will have a less eventful affair than last years championship meeting between the two, and manage to get through the game without anyone getting their ear sliced off this time!  :-X

Clonduff bagged a load of goals last night and when you look at their teamsheet it's no surprise.

Aaron Graffin was a serious operator for both the Dall and Antrim in his day, had a few bad injuries, but he'll take some handling at this level, married into the Carrs must also mean marrying into Clonduff evidently.
Their goalkeeper was a big money transfer from Portaferry as well, Portaferry paid a lot of money to get rid of him  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on September 14, 2023, 01:53:44 PM
Intermediate form is hard to read. The Point V Clonduff match will be interesting as the winner joins Carryduff in the Intermediate Semi's along with Bredagh and Shamrocks. Clonduff missing their dual players (disappointing decision by those players to leave down their team-mates and one they will regret in the future) so not as strong as previous years but the Point also lost a lot of experience from the 2 or 3 lads who retired after winning the Junior last year. Who scored all the goals? Ballela goalkeeper is usually sharp.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 14, 2023, 10:21:50 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 14, 2023, 08:18:42 AM
Quote from: Splash on September 10, 2023, 01:21:04 AM
Some good intermediate hurling coming up.

Warrenpoint face their toughest test in a long time when they host Carryduff. It was said to me in recent weeks that there are no intermediate teams in Down, only senior and junior. Could be a tough day for the Point.
In saying that, once upon a time Carryduff were new to intermediate hurling too, and have taken their fair share of beatings. The Point have taken plenty of beatings over the years, and look at them now. It's a period of growth for hurling in the club and great to see them competing at such a level.
Argument to be made that CPN are second best club in the intermediate, and this will be a learning day either way.
Fully expect Carryduff to go on a good Ulster, if not All Ireland run, and will come away with the win. At the same time, Warrenpoint will be no pushover. Have incredibly dangerous forwards in the form of John O'Kane, and the team is not of a poor standard. A great opportunity to test themselves and gauche where they are, and figure out what the next steps are for hurling in the club.
Great to see two teams from opposite ends of the county meet in a hurling match. Shows hurling is growing across the county, and hopefully both teams continue to promote hurling within their respective towns.

Ballers v Clonduff will be an interesting game.
Clonduff the most Jekyll and Hyde team in the county atm. Inclined to lose to Ballela before turning things around beating the Point out the gate. You just don't know which Clonduff team will turn up. Played Castlewellen a few weeks ago and were by miles the better team, before salvaging a draw against East Belfast not long after that.
Expect Clonduff to win in the end. But wouldn't be too surprised if they find themselves back in the Junior Championship.
2 of the most physical teams in Down, so will be interesting to see who dominates. Clonduff seem to have better level of fitness than Ballela which may play a massive factor.
Ballela will sense this is a massive opportunity to prove they haven't gone away. Johnny McCusker really changes the team when he is playing. The last time these teams met, the Clonduff defence couldn't handle him. However, one man can't win a game, and other lads in Ballela will need to step up if they are to seriously rattle Clonduff.

A couple weeks ago, I'd have said clonduff May have had it in them to give Carryduff a bloody nose, so will be interesting to see if they can bring that level to Ballela. 

Should be a good, old fashioned sort of game. Mightn't bring the flair that'll be happening in the senior championship, but will be no less enjoyable.

Hopefully we will have a less eventful affair than last years championship meeting between the two, and manage to get through the game without anyone getting their ear sliced off this time!  :-X

Clonduff bagged a load of goals last night and when you look at their teamsheet it's no surprise.

Aaron Graffin was a serious operator for both the Dall and Antrim in his day, had a few bad injuries, but he'll take some handling at this level, married into the Carrs must also mean marrying into Clonduff evidently.
Their goalkeeper was a big money transfer from Portaferry as well, Portaferry paid a lot of money to get rid of him  ;D

A hike from Hilltown to Cushendall to play hurling to be fair to Graffin. Clonduff have another cushendall man in the ranks as well so the story goes. Jarlath Flynn also transferred in from Carryduff; will be another string to the Clonduff bow.

Fair play to Clonduff. Really turned around the brutal form they had in the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 14, 2023, 10:28:30 PM
Quote from: dingle82 on September 14, 2023, 01:53:44 PM
Intermediate form is hard to read. The Point V Clonduff match will be interesting as the winner joins Carryduff in the Intermediate Semi's along with Bredagh and Shamrocks. Clonduff missing their dual players (disappointing decision by those players to leave down their team-mates and one they will regret in the future) so not as strong as previous years but the Point also lost a lot of experience from the 2 or 3 lads who retired after winning the Junior last year. Who scored all the goals? Ballela goalkeeper is usually sharp.

Intermediate shaping up to be far more interesting than was anticipated.

Agreed- disappointing decision from the dual players- clonduff playing with the likes of the Brannagans this year would have been interesting. Couldn't call the game between clonduff and the point.

Gary McMullan is a great asset in nets to Ballela. Despite their horrid league campaign, any time I saw them he was probably their best player (Johnny McCusker wasn't playing). Some puck out on him and a good shot stopper. Think the problem for Ballela is probably more their full back line. Paul McCusker a big miss there for them. If you don't have a full back line that can handle Aaron Graffin, nets is probably not a nice place to be stood.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 14, 2023, 10:55:39 PM
Good weekend of hurling action.

Think Ballygalget v Portaferry went exactly the way most expected. Ballygalget a good team, but Portaferry at the minute are simply a bit better. Nothing too exciting to note. Run of the mill senior hurling championship match.

Liatroim v Ballycran a good game. Score line probably didn't reflect Liatroim. Were in it for a lot of the game but Ballycran knew how to deal with them and where to target them. Ballycran look like a very fit and very  well conditioned team. Would still be my pick to win Down.
Be interesting to see how they get on against Antrim Champions in the first round of Ulster. Liatroim depended too much on Pearse Óg and Ruairi McCrickard, and their forwards really did seem much more comfortable at this level than their defence.
Ballycran bench also a great help.
Paul Sheehan seems to be doing well. Good to see. Conor Woods absolutely on point from placed balls. Unreal strike on him.
A final still not out of Liatroims reach, but to break the hoodoo the Ards teams have had on the championship for the past couple of decades will probably be a step too far.
Still though, good to see a newly promoted team being competitive at this level and not shipping 20, 30 point defeats.

Bredagh and Shamrocks both into intermediate semi finals, and judging from what I've seen, would still have Carryduff as favourites for that championship. Good to see a bit of variation at the top table, too.
Shamrocks also relegated to play intermediate championship next year I take it?
Not a pile to be said. Neither team is as strong as they were last year. Both missing key players and both in a bit of regression.
However, all is not lost. Bredagh will be back. Tbey have too many championship winners underage to disappear. And Newry Shamrocks seem to be really putting a lot into hurling in underage at the club. Hard for teams to take, but ultimately intermediate is where they want to be at. Good to see Sean Campbell back for Newry. Shamrocks need a good forward if they are to survive without Paul Sheehan, and Campbell is a great player to have at your disposable. Be interesting to see what impact he makes on the county scene in the next few years.

Should really take a moment to congratulate Newry Shamrocks on the past few years. Went from being stuck in the junior championship, to rapidly promoting through the ranks and going toe to toe with the Ards teams. Did all this in an area where a lot of people would have no time for hurling.
They have offered a blue print for the rest of teams in junior/lower intermediate level to follow. If every team could improve so rapidly, we could suddenly find the county scene in an improved place. Not saying shamrocks winning junior and intermediate titles solves Down's hurling issues, but they have shown it's possible for junior level teams to make something of a break through. Fair play to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on September 15, 2023, 12:49:55 AM
When is the last time a non Ards team reached the final?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 15, 2023, 07:52:12 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on September 15, 2023, 12:49:55 AM
When is the last time a non Ards team reached the final?

I think Kilclief have the most SHC in Down, so you would probably have to go back to the 60s or 70s when they were going well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 15, 2023, 09:05:12 AM
Ballycran have 27, Kilclief 23, Portaferry and Ballygalget 21 shc according to wiki. Kilclief Last win was 1956 apparently, not sure if they appeared in a final since.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 15, 2023, 09:36:46 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on September 15, 2023, 12:49:55 AM
When is the last time a non Ards team reached the final?

Kilclief last won it in 1956 and it's been dominated by the Ards since. Kilclief still have the second most amount of titles, only being overtaken by Ballycran in the past few years.

Bredagh, Carryduff, and Castlewellen have all had good success at underage the past couple of years. Maybe we're not too far away from seeing history being made and a non-Ards side actually win a senior championship...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 15, 2023, 09:47:29 AM
Quote from: ardtole on September 15, 2023, 09:05:12 AM
Ballycran have 27, Kilclief 23, Portaferry and Ballygalget 21 shc according to wiki. Kilclief Last win was 1956 apparently, not sure if they appeared in a final since.

Portaferry were once Carrig Uladh in their earlier days, not sure if you counted them for those.

Of the 21 SHC's Ballygalget have Graham Clarke has 9.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on September 15, 2023, 09:53:43 AM
Bredagh have dropped off a bit at senior but I've watched a handful of down underage games this year and they have huge numbers and definitely very good at underage. Carryduff were a bit disappointing at u17 as they'd very low numbers but I think they're better at lower ages. That being said Greg Blaney's nephew is a serious player for them and definitely one to look out for. Still think city clubs much higher drop off rates than the country ones so Bredagh etc winning senior won't be as plain sailing as some might think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on September 15, 2023, 10:34:04 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 15, 2023, 09:47:29 AM
Quote from: ardtole on September 15, 2023, 09:05:12 AM
Ballycran have 27, Kilclief 23, Portaferry and Ballygalget 21 shc according to wiki. Kilclief Last win was 1956 apparently, not sure if they appeared in a final since.

Portaferry were once Carrig Uladh in their earlier days, not sure if you counted them for those.

Of the 21 SHC's Ballygalget have Graham Clarke has 9.

I wasn't aware of that Jc, I'd no idea to be honest. Have to say I'm enjoying the updates from the hurling community  great to see clubs like Castlewellan, Warrenpoint Clonduff etc improving, it can only be good for the county in the long run.

I saw Aaron Graffan play quite a few times for Cushendall over the years and he was often their stand out performer. His experience will be a huge asset to Clonduff particularly at intermediate club level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 15, 2023, 12:23:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 15, 2023, 09:53:43 AM
Bredagh have dropped off a bit at senior but I've watched a handful of down underage games this year and they have huge numbers and definitely very good at underage. Carryduff were a bit disappointing at u17 as they'd very low numbers but I think they're better at lower ages. That being said Greg Blaney's nephew is a serious player for them and definitely one to look out for. Still think city clubs much higher drop off rates than the country ones so Bredagh etc winning senior won't be as plain sailing as some might think.

We play Bredagh in the minor final this Sunday, won't be much between the teams.

Greg has two nephews handy at the hurling, one plays for Bredagh at minor and the other plays for Carryduff at minor to different Da's obviously.

Carryduff won the U15 championship last year but didn't seem to have progressed at all which is disappointing, but they went Div2 in the league so didn't get pushed and were badly found out in the championship at Cup level. Football probably a distraction there.

Castlewellan are favourites for the U15 championship, and they'll play the winners of ourselves and Carryduff in the semifinal next Sunday. We'll need one of our big players back from a hand injury to get over them and that isn't a given.

Liatroim are hot favourites for the U13 Championship Cup, we're over there to play them tomorrow afternoon in the semi-final. They're all either 12 or 13 and we're down to 10yo's to get 15 on the field, we may have one sub if we're lucky but we'll give it a go.

I can see a bit of a fall out in the Castlewellan/Liatroim/O'Rahillies combos going forward, some Liatroim mentors not happy that they weren't invited to the Castlewellan run U13.5 tournament last week as a team yet some of their player played for Castlewellan allegedly...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 16, 2023, 12:16:34 AM
Quote from: ardtole on September 15, 2023, 10:34:04 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 15, 2023, 09:47:29 AM
Quote from: ardtole on September 15, 2023, 09:05:12 AM
Ballycran have 27, Kilclief 23, Portaferry and Ballygalget 21 shc according to wiki. Kilclief Last win was 1956 apparently, not sure if they appeared in a final since.

Portaferry were once Carrig Uladh in their earlier days, not sure if you counted them for those.

Of the 21 SHC's Ballygalget have Graham Clarke has 9.

I wasn't aware of that Jc, I'd no idea to be honest. Have to say I'm enjoying the updates from the hurling community  great to see clubs like Castlewellan, Warrenpoint Clonduff etc improving, it can only be good for the county in the long run.

I saw Aaron Graffan play quite a few times for Cushendall over the years and he was often their stand out performer. His experience will be a huge asset to Clonduff particularly at intermediate club level.

It's great to see a bit of hurling discussion going on.

Far too many people don't realise that Down aren't a million miles away from making some sort of breakthrough.

In Division 2A, and were in the Division 2A Final last year, and have done well to make the jump to to the Joe McDonagh Cup (the tier directly below Liam MacCarthy Cup for those of a purely footballing background), and have done even better to stay in it for several years now.

Whilst Down are a long, long way off the standards of Limerick or Clare, and are, realistically, a good bit off even Antrim, Laois, or Westmeath, the hurling scene is not as dead and buried as many may believe it to be.

Have had 3 new hurling teams start in the past 3 years, with East Belfast coming into existence, Saul bringing back hurling at underage, and the Mourne clubs amalgamating to offer a hurling outlet for the area in the form of Clann Mhúrn.

There is good work going on in the likes of Clonduff, Warrenpoint, and especially Castlewellen to grow the game. Bredgah, Carryduff, Liatroim, and Newry Shamrocks have come on massively in the past couple of years from where they have been in the past.

Ultimately, hurling is alive and kicking in Down. Have had friends who would be more fond of the football remind me it is 'the minority game' in the county, and whilst football is king for many, it doesn't change the fact that the hurling scene in the county is still very much thriving.

We are lucky in Down to be in the situation we are. We have the second best hurling set up in Ulster after Antrim. We are far closer to making a breakthrough than the likes of Armagh or Donegal. Hopefully, the small ball game continues to grow and spread throughout Down.

At the very least, the hurling discussion breaks up the constant debate as to whether Conor Laverty should stay or should he go  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 16, 2023, 12:36:23 AM
I could see Bredgah and Carryduff seriously rattling the Senior Championship in the next 10 or 20 years. In saying that, Bredagh have been knocking on the door for a long time now and still haven't managed to make that big impact. But I would imagine the good hurling culture around the clubs and the pure numbers mean it is inevitable that they'll someday make some sort of impact.

Absolutely agree with the point made about urban clubs struggling to retain players at senior. The truth of the matter is if a fella from Warrenpoint goes to Belfast for university, it is not that hard to pull him back. Whereas if a fella playing for Bredagh or Carryduff has grown up all his life in Belfast, it is fair to assume he'll want out by the time he reaches university, and so may head further afield to find a change of scenery. Consequently, it is far harder for city clubs to retain young fellas that head down south or abroad for uni, whilst the rural clubs may have their fellas only a half hour up the road.
This is not to say everyone in South Down goes to university in Belfast and everyone in Belfast heads away, but it is definitely something to take into account.
Despite this, city clubs in Cork and Dublin have clearly found a solution to keeping urban lads onboard, so it is possible.

Wouldn't know much about the politics between Liatroim and Castlewellen, but can see how there may be some tension between the two. Simply put, Liatroim need Castlewellen at underage, and Castlewellen don't need Liatroim.

Castlewellen have shown they have the potential to be the strongest team in Down at underage. They have a large base to draw players from. Liatroim do not. It will be interesting to see if in ten years time, Castlewellen surpass Liatroim. Would be interesting to have two strong clubs in the Slieve Croob area.

The O'Rahilly's are also made up of players from Ballela and Ballyvarley, but hard to know how sustainable a team made up of Liatroim, Ballyvarley, and Ballela would be.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 16, 2023, 01:53:27 AM
Some entertaining hurling this week in the intermediate championship.

Everything to be said about the clonduff/ballela game has really been said here I think.

Clonduff simply too strong. Plenty of good players at their disposal. Great to see hurling doing well in clonduff, but you have to sympathise with Ballela. Not nice to see any club in Down take a beating like that. Doesn't do anybody any good. Not to take away from Clonduff, they absolutely deserve credit for racking up a score like that. But Ballela going out to get hammered like that isn't doing anybody any good. It's not helping Clonduff prepare for a run in the senior championship in years to come, and it's certainly not helping Ballela. Hopefully the club gets back to being competitive soon.

Again, what does the future hold in regards to a relationship with Ballyvarley? Tradition is important yes, as is identity, but if a team is going out to take regular, massive beatings, you have to consider what is the best thing to do for the game of hurling. Ballyvarley went through a similar dark time, taking massive beatings regularly, and it is only recently they seem to be coming competitive in the Junior Championship again. Are Ballela simply going to be in a position Ballyvarley were in until something good comes through?

Interestingly, the positions Ballyvarley are weak in seem to be the positions Ballela have strength and vice versa. Ballyvarley have a good defence, but can struggle to put scores on the board. Ballela seem to be able to produce top quality forwards, but their deference strategies can let them down. An amalgamated team, with a good management set up, could really rattle the junior and intermediate championships.

Warrenpoint came far closer to Carryduff than anybody was expecting. Fair play to them. Hear carryduff played a game in Dublin before? Nonetheless, absolutely excellent effort from Warrenpoint to push like that. When tbey won the junior championship last year, this was the one game I thought would be a bloodshed. Great to see CPN held their ground. Warrenpoint have a lot of potential for growth in the future.

I'm sure Carryduff won't be too bothered all the same. Judging by what Bredagh and Shamrocks have shown, Carryduff still favourites to win. What will be interesting will be if CPN/Clonduff get drawn against Shamrocks in the semis. Both teams will see an opportunity for a big scalp over the local rival.

Would be impressive for Point to reach an intermediate final in their first year.

Intermediate really has turned out to be far more interesting than was initially expected, which is no bad thing.

Will be interesting to see if there's any surprises in the junior championship next week.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Trap on September 17, 2023, 05:12:59 PM
The ref is winning this game for kilcoo.....they looked in trouble but played the ref like a fiddle
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 17, 2023, 05:26:18 PM
Quote from: The Trap on September 17, 2023, 05:12:59 PM
The ref is winning this game for kilcoo.....they looked in trouble but played the ref like a fiddle

Another way of looking at this is that one team were ready and aware that they'd be dealing with a card happy referee on a dirty evening, while the other team weren't prepared to adapt to this circumstance.

I don't like his refereeing style. But he is consistent.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 17, 2023, 05:35:12 PM
Total lack of discipline from Carryduff; Kilcoo were in real trouble. Ref was fine
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 17, 2023, 05:37:47 PM
Carryduff really lost their heads in that match. I'd be confident that if Carryduff kept 15 on the pitch they'd have come out on the right side of a result tonight as they were still competing well and winning in midfield right to the very end. Up until the 30th minute they had the measure of a sloppy Kilcoo team. Kilcoo won't mind though as that was a game they really had to fight to get through and championship is all about winning whether it be pretty or ugly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on September 17, 2023, 05:41:40 PM
Had M Moore have carded kilcoo players late tackles and closed fist etc then I could
see a case for saying he is consistent but as a neutral that was the worst refereeing performance I have seen in a long time. Wasnt a dirty game at all. Kilcoo won out as expected but didnt get it easy but the referee has alot to answer for on performance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: FM on September 17, 2023, 05:48:26 PM
Micheal Moore 10 red cards in 2 games. Finally some consistency
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on September 17, 2023, 06:07:41 PM
Quote from: befair on September 17, 2023, 05:35:12 PM
Total lack of discipline from Carryduff; Kilcoo were in real trouble. Ref was fine

Hard to agree the ref was fine, he was not consistent. E.g  Kilcoo player deliberately drags down a Carryduff man inside the D near the end, and he produces a yellow. Similar offence for Carryduff resulted in a black. Carryduff players should have been more careful when already booked, but the ref really had a negative impact on the game for neutrals, and Kilcoo slightly benefitted from his performance today. But that's what they do, they make small advantages count and win ugly games. Nobody else is as ruthless.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on September 17, 2023, 06:13:15 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on September 17, 2023, 06:07:41 PM
Quote from: befair on September 17, 2023, 05:35:12 PM
Total lack of discipline from Carryduff; Kilcoo were in real trouble. Ref was fine

Hard to agree the ref was fine, he was not consistent. E.g  Kilcoo player deliberately drags down a Carryduff man inside the D near the end, and he produces a yellow. Similar offence for Carryduff resulted in a black. Carryduff players should have been more careful when already booked, but the ref really had a negative impact on the game for neutrals, and Kilcoo slightly benefitted from his performance today. But that's what they do, they make small advantages count and win ugly games. Nobody else is as ruthless.
It was sheelan with the drag down but aaron morgan was the one who got the yellow
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on September 17, 2023, 06:55:58 PM
Right folks  ... let us hear yous. There is bound to be a lot a comments on the carryduff game. 3 carryduff players and their manager sent off. Disgraceful... If that had been kilcoo the message board would have crashed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on September 17, 2023, 06:56:10 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on September 17, 2023, 06:13:15 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on September 17, 2023, 06:07:41 PM
Quote from: befair on September 17, 2023, 05:35:12 PM
Total lack of discipline from Carryduff; Kilcoo were in real trouble. Ref was fine

Hard to agree the ref was fine, he was not consistent. E.g  Kilcoo player deliberately drags down a Carryduff man inside the D near the end, and he produces a yellow. Similar offence for Carryduff resulted in a black. Carryduff players should have been more careful when already booked, but the ref really had a negative impact on the game for neutrals, and Kilcoo slightly benefitted from his performance today. But that's what they do, they make small advantages count and win ugly games. Nobody else is as ruthless.
It was sheelan with the drag down but aaron morgan was the one who got the yellow

Even worse, he got the wrong man for an incredibly blatant foul.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 17, 2023, 08:28:03 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on September 17, 2023, 06:55:58 PM
Right folks  ... let us hear yous. There is bound to be a lot a comments on the carryduff game. 3 carryduff players and their manager sent off. Disgraceful... If that had been kilcoo the message board would have crashed.

Seems there's a lot of incidents around the county this weekend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 17, 2023, 08:47:44 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 17, 2023, 08:28:03 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on September 17, 2023, 06:55:58 PM
Right folks  ... let us hear yous. There is bound to be a lot a comments on the carryduff game. 3 carryduff players and their manager sent off. Disgraceful... If that had been kilcoo the message board would have crashed.

Seems there's a lot of incidents around the county this weekend
Such as?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Stevie Nicks on September 17, 2023, 09:29:40 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on September 17, 2023, 06:55:58 PM
Right folks  ... let us hear yous. There is bound to be a lot a comments on the carryduff game. 3 carryduff players and their manager sent off. Disgraceful... If that had been kilcoo the message board would have crashed.
Are you joking! If Kilcoo had 3 players plus a manager rightly sent out it would be viral and the usual Dark Arts/Win at all costs bull would be the issue. But when it is the other team the referee is the problem!
Every red was justified and in fact some of them should have been straight red and also to be balanced he did miss a black card for Kilcoo near end.
Carryduff definitely missed a chance to beat a well below par Kilcoo
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Minus15 on September 17, 2023, 09:41:35 PM
Referee in Kilcoo game seemed to think that a foul must be a card. Kilcoo holding their head time and time again when tackles not high. Carryduff's frustrations were understandable. The Donnelly one on Brannigan was late and dangerous. Other than that there wasn't too much in the others. James Guinness very unfortunate I thought.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 17, 2023, 09:57:50 PM
Quote from: Minus15 on September 17, 2023, 09:41:35 PM
Referee in Kilcoo game seemed to think that a foul must be a card. Kilcoo holding their head time and time again when tackles not high. Carryduff's frustrations were understandable. The Donnelly one on Brannigan was late and dangerous. Other than that there wasn't too much in the others. James Guinness very unfortunate I thought.
Guinness first yellow was a strike should have been red, the first sending off was a black card and player had already been booked, Donnelly should have walked earlier in the match. The carryduff bench was a disgrace but let's not talk about that, it was all Kilcoo fault.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 17, 2023, 10:13:48 PM
And Carryduff also gave up two handy points by slobbering at the ref. They'll be a force to be reckoned with next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 17, 2023, 10:14:59 PM
Losing 3 men plus your manager is ill discipline. Nothing else. Carryduff badly missed the boat.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on September 18, 2023, 08:30:19 AM
Carryduff messed up in glorious fashion. This was an ill disciplined mess on their part. Fact.

As for Kilcoo, I hear their Manager was complaining after the game about being "targeted". Do me a favour. You have nothing to be crying about. Everyone wants you beaten and you play on it. You play the media, the ref and anything and anyone else who can be played. There is no sympathy out there for you so stop looking for it. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on September 18, 2023, 10:38:32 AM
Low scoring boring affairs and teams setting up not to lose.  The Down Championships has been a snore fest so far!  I think everyone is waiting on Kilcoo v Burren and hopefully the two teams go at it with no nonsense. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on September 18, 2023, 10:47:09 AM
Quote from: urbangael on September 18, 2023, 10:38:32 AM
Low scoring boring affairs and teams setting up not to lose.  The Down Championships has been a snore fest so far!  I think everyone is waiting on Kilcoo v Burren and hopefully the two teams go at it with no nonsense.

It's hard to see them two teams having a real go at eachother. It'll probably be yet another case of highly paid management playing it safe and playing not to lose, as opposed to allowing their teams to play some actual football and having the belief that will be enough to win. I hope I'm wrong....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 18, 2023, 04:40:36 PM
All three quarter-finals were tedious, 15 men behind the ball, endless recycling around the 45. It has become a mindset; even when Ballyholland were 6 pts behind in the 2nd half, they still sat back and allowed Burren to run down the clock.
I know it's a broken record by now, but something has to change; 13 a side, can't pass to goalkeeper etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 18, 2023, 05:29:47 PM
Quote from: befair on September 18, 2023, 04:40:36 PM
All three quarter-finals were tedious, 15 men behind the ball, endless recycling around the 45. It has become a mindset; even when Ballyholland were 6 pts behind in the 2nd half, they still sat back and allowed Burren to run down the clock.
I know it's a broken record by now, but something has to change; 13 a side, can't pass to goalkeeper etc.
Don't need any more rule changes, introducing the mark has been part of the problem. Messing about with it to much
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 18, 2023, 05:36:27 PM
The rules have to evolve. As almost every field sport in history has had to do, we need to find a way to balance the advantages given by possession and territory.

——

Watching teams trying to "out game manage" each other instead of trying to outplay each other, is the most mindnumbing form of sport I've ever encountered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on September 18, 2023, 05:43:53 PM
Do away with back door system, straight knock out might spice up our championship, don't understand why teams set up so negative, giving the opposition too much respect is the problem but it is what it is and can't see it changing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 18, 2023, 06:36:24 PM
Half time scores so far
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1-06 v 0-03
0-05 v 0-02
0-04 v 0-02

That's poor, ball retention without actually trying to go break lines. I'd wonder if the SFC standard is the same across the country. Anyone have insight elsewhere?

As for rule changes, I can't think of any easy solutions that can be administered competently during a game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on September 18, 2023, 08:19:12 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on September 18, 2023, 06:36:24 PM
Half time scores so far
-
1-06 v 0-03
0-05 v 0-02
0-04 v 0-02

That's poor, ball retention without actually trying to go break lines. I'd wonder if the SFC standard is the same across the country. Anyone have insight elsewhere?

As for rule changes, I can't think of any easy solutions that can be administered competently during a game.

The Kerry SFC game shown on tg4 on Sunday was decent entertainment. More kicking, players taking risks in order to get rewards, mistakes made but players not afraid to make them. Teams in Down seem paralysed by the fear of making a bad pass or shooting wide. Doesn't seem like there is much joy in playing for a club in the SFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 18, 2023, 08:41:15 PM
Glenn by 7... I'd say that will be Poacher gone from the bridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 18, 2023, 08:42:18 PM
Great performance by Glenn tonight; plenty of direct football, could have won by more. The Bridge obs thought they only had to turn up; seemed paralysed by their tactics. Astonishing that Glenn were almost relegated to Div 3. Shay Millar was outstanding
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on September 18, 2023, 08:55:02 PM
Quote from: befair on September 18, 2023, 08:42:18 PM
Great performance by Glenn tonight; plenty of direct football, could have won by more. The Bridge obs thought they only had to turn up; seemed paralysed by their tactics. Astonishing that Glenn were almost relegated to Div 3. Shay Millar was outstanding
No almost about it. They were relegated so some result tonight indeed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 18, 2023, 09:33:19 PM
Great stuff by Glenn. Some going after the year they had in the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on September 18, 2023, 09:44:21 PM
Poacher unlikely to get another job in Down football. The merry go round stops at some point. Mayobridge was always split on his appointment. Not a nice thing to say but there will be Mayobridge supporters happy enough tonight as that confirms his exit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 18, 2023, 10:23:30 PM
GAA needs to bring in a rule a club manager has to be a club member. Too many mercenaries floating around; I'm sure they are trying their best, but such a drain on club finances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on September 18, 2023, 11:01:49 PM
Quote from: befair on September 18, 2023, 10:23:30 PM
GAA needs to bring in a rule a club manager has to be a club member. Too many mercenaries floating around; I'm sure they are trying their best, but such a drain on club finances.

Oh right, so your rule will mean the outside mercenary will just have to pay membership then? What will that change?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on September 18, 2023, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: urbangael on September 18, 2023, 09:44:21 PM
Poacher unlikely to get another job in Down football. The merry go round stops at some point. Mayobridge was always split on his appointment. Not a nice thing to say but there will be Mayobridge supporters happy enough tonight as that confirms his exit.

Well done to Glenn on the biggest shock in years. Mayobridge under perform yet again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on September 19, 2023, 08:43:42 AM
Quote from: urbangael on September 18, 2023, 09:44:21 PMPoacher unlikely to get another job in Down football. The merry go round stops at some point. Mayobridge was always split on his appointment. Not a nice thing to say but there will be Mayobridge supporters happy enough tonight as that confirms his exit.
CPN might take him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on September 19, 2023, 03:40:58 PM
Great game last night. Glenn were the better team from start to end. Great flowing football and championship intensity. Thought the ref added to the game. Kilcoo Burren final looking on the cards this year again. Hopefully it isnt a cagey affair.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on September 19, 2023, 09:37:39 PM
A very entertaining game last night - and Glen fully deserving winners. They will certainly not fear Burren and it's bonus territory for them now like last night was. Mayobridge were toothless and looked devoid of ideas throughout.
Clonduff will rattle the magpies and this could see the end of an era. Clonduff just need to keep everyone on the pitch and play 60+ minutes at top intensity..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 21, 2023, 10:13:59 AM
Quote from: Splash on September 16, 2023, 12:36:23 AMI could see Bredgah and Carryduff seriously rattling the Senior Championship in the next 10 or 20 years. In saying that, Bredagh have been knocking on the door for a long time now and still haven't managed to make that big impact. But I would imagine the good hurling culture around the clubs and the pure numbers mean it is inevitable that they'll someday make some sort of impact.

Absolutely agree with the point made about urban clubs struggling to retain players at senior. The truth of the matter is if a fella from Warrenpoint goes to Belfast for university, it is not that hard to pull him back. Whereas if a fella playing for Bredagh or Carryduff has grown up all his life in Belfast, it is fair to assume he'll want out by the time he reaches university, and so may head further afield to find a change of scenery. Consequently, it is far harder for city clubs to retain young fellas that head down south or abroad for uni, whilst the rural clubs may have their fellas only a half hour up the road.
This is not to say everyone in South Down goes to university in Belfast and everyone in Belfast heads away, but it is definitely something to take into account.
Despite this, city clubs in Cork and Dublin have clearly found a solution to keeping urban lads onboard, so it is possible.

Wouldn't know much about the politics between Liatroim and Castlewellen, but can see how there may be some tension between the two. Simply put, Liatroim need Castlewellen at underage, and Castlewellen don't need Liatroim.

Castlewellen have shown they have the potential to be the strongest team in Down at underage. They have a large base to draw players from. Liatroim do not. It will be interesting to see if in ten years time, Castlewellen surpass Liatroim. Would be interesting to have two strong clubs in the Slieve Croob area.

The O'Rahilly's are also made up of players from Ballela and Ballyvarley, but hard to know how sustainable a team made up of Liatroim, Ballyvarley, and Ballela would be.



Bredagh beat our minors well last Sunday, very well coached team with a better spread of hurlers than we had.
It was obvious they'd gotten themselves better quality games(friendlies) than our lads as they played at a higher pace throughout.
Our lads went into the game undercooked due to facile wins up to that point which don't really tell you an awful lot in terms of where you are as a team. We really need to learn that lesson.

U15's this weekend, we've Carryduff and if we'd a full team I'd fancy us to get over them, but we don't so it'll be Carryduff's to lose. Two of the bigger lads injured means they'll be replaced by 11yo's, but that's part of being from a small, rural club.
Castlewellan are favourites for this and will win the other semi-final comfortably.

U13's, Liatroim will cruise that final in two weeks time so it's very likely no underage hurling championship will reside in the Ards for another year.

Times, they are a changing but it could well take 10 years plus to see that mean anything at adult and senior level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Granto on September 21, 2023, 06:56:24 PM
Quote from: elk on September 19, 2023, 08:43:42 AM
Quote from: urbangael on September 18, 2023, 09:44:21 PMPoacher unlikely to get another job in Down football. The merry go round stops at some point. Mayobridge was always split on his appointment. Not a nice thing to say but there will be Mayobridge supporters happy enough tonight as that confirms his exit.
CPN might take him.

I hear that CPN are already in negotiations with him  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 21, 2023, 11:11:14 PM
Quote from: Granto on September 21, 2023, 06:56:24 PM
Quote from: elk on September 19, 2023, 08:43:42 AM
Quote from: urbangael on September 18, 2023, 09:44:21 PMPoacher unlikely to get another job in Down football. The merry go round stops at some point. Mayobridge was always split on his appointment. Not a nice thing to say but there will be Mayobridge supporters happy enough tonight as that confirms his exit.
CPN might take him.

I hear that CPN are already in negotiations with him  ;)
I hear castlewellan are also interested
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on September 22, 2023, 10:45:15 AM
Quote from: PTC on September 21, 2023, 11:11:14 PM
Quote from: Granto on September 21, 2023, 06:56:24 PM
Quote from: elk on September 19, 2023, 08:43:42 AM
Quote from: urbangael on September 18, 2023, 09:44:21 PMPoacher unlikely to get another job in Down football. The merry go round stops at some point. Mayobridge was always split on his appointment. Not a nice thing to say but there will be Mayobridge supporters happy enough tonight as that confirms his exit.
CPN might take him.

I hear that CPN are already in negotiations with him  ;)
I hear castlewellan are also interested

Who in their right mind, would want or take that buffoon to their club? He's won FA, gets fines off the Down CB for his petulant antics along the line every week, and can't remember the third one..

Oh yeah, he's won sweet FA!

But sure pay him a fortune every week, sure he does a bluffer coaching session in Newry every year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on September 22, 2023, 12:06:37 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on September 22, 2023, 10:45:15 AM
Quote from: PTC on September 21, 2023, 11:11:14 PM
Quote from: Granto on September 21, 2023, 06:56:24 PM
Quote from: elk on September 19, 2023, 08:43:42 AM
Quote from: urbangael on September 18, 2023, 09:44:21 PMPoacher unlikely to get another job in Down football. The merry go round stops at some point. Mayobridge was always split on his appointment. Not a nice thing to say but there will be Mayobridge supporters happy enough tonight as that confirms his exit.
CPN might take him.

I hear that CPN are already in negotiations with him  ;)
I hear castlewellan are also interested

Who in their right mind, would want or take that buffoon to their club? He's won FA, gets fines off the Down CB for his petulant antics along the line every week, and can't remember the third one..

Oh yeah, he's won sweet FA!

But sure pay him a fortune every week, sure he does a bluffer coaching session in Newry every year.

+1, PS he won't be anywhere near CPN
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 22, 2023, 01:58:42 PM
Is there not going to be any hurling on Down GAA TV this weekend? The senior hurling championship will undoubtedly draw more viewers than a reserve football match.

What about the SFC relegation final not being streamed at all?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 22, 2023, 11:28:01 PM
Great weekend of Junior Championship hurling tomorrow.

Ballyvarley host Kilclief in what is, in all likelihood, a championship semi-final to join Castlewellen in the final.

Kilclief absolutely ran rough shot across East Belfast in the first round, but let East Belfast come within a few scores by the end of the game, relinquishing a first half lead of about 20 points. Ballyvarley kept Castlewellen under pressure for the first half of their first round game, before switching off in the second half and falling to the wayside.

Neither team can afford to play like that tomorrow.

Ballyvarley had a great league. They typically seem to find the net early on (something they did against Castlewellen). Danny Magee and Mick Lennon have a knack of racking up goals. Whilst Kilclief were impressive in attack, they seemed to not be able to cope when East Belfast had possession, allowing men to run a long distance and make goals out of nothing. They cannot afford to allow this to happen against a forward line containing the likes of Magee, who will punish any mistakes made by the backs.

Kilclief didn't have a the best of league campaigns, but managed to stay up in Division One. That's no small feat. They seem a fitter team than Ballyvarley, and are incredibly strong in the air. This could very well prove the difference between them and Ballyvarley tomorrow. You would imagine playing against the likes of Liatroim, Shamrocks, and Clonduff will have served them well.

Rory Óg Magfhionnbhair is back from injury for Ballyvarley. A hard man to contain, incredibly physical and absolutely ruthless when on the ball. An asset to any team and could solve some of the problems Ballyvarley seem to have had since his injury.

The game being in Ballyvarley probably would sway the game in their favour, too. Kilclief is a hard place to go and get a win, and this is definitely a game you want to play at home.

It really is do or die time for Ballyvarley, so perhaps that will bring out something in them, too.

Should be a good, physical, high scoring game.

East Belfast then take on Castlewellen in Cherryvale.

Firstly, it's not wise the County Board won't allow East Belfast to play home games at Henry Jones, and make them find another ground. Hopefully they play all home games at their home ground next year. 

Whilst you would fully expect Castlewellen to come away with win, in the league, East Belfast were only every a few goals away from a win.

East Belfast have a great keeper in Joe McClemments. They also have top forwards in the likes of Ryan McMullan and Owen Taggart who will happily hunt for goals. 

East Belfast will want to start a lot better than they did in Strangford. Playing in the South Antrim league is bound to have helped them. Castlewellen will want to make sure they outpace and grind East Belfast down.

Whilst Castlewellen don't seem to have too many individual stand out players, they are a very well oiled machine, and play well as a team. With them knocked out of the football one can only imagine they effort they're putting into hurling. This could be enough to see them comfortably across the line in Belfast, tomorrow.

If Jason Croskery gets going he's a top class player, but East Belfast may find a way to contain him.

Nonetheless, I would expect Castlewellen to march on. Hurling is definitely growing about the town. A Junior Championship is the next step for them.

Will be an interesting weekend of action, either way. Pity it's not feasible to see both games.

It's good to see that there is something interesting to actually talk about in the Junior Championship, and it's not a forgone conclusion. Great stuff.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 23, 2023, 12:48:23 AM
Also worth pointing out- East Belfast have a couple of ex-Castlewellen men about the club. Might prove to be an interesting match in more ways than one. :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on September 23, 2023, 04:01:12 PM
East Belfast 3-14
Castlewellan 0-17

17 scores each but goals win games as the saying goes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 23, 2023, 11:00:01 PM
Who would have thought East Belfast would have caught Castlewellen in the long grass?

First hurling championship win for the club if I'm not mistaken?

Absolute respect for them. Everything that has been thrown at them since their inception; from people laughing at the idea of an GAA club in East Belfast, to serious threats and violence against them, and now we could be looking at them appearing in Junior Finals in both codes.

Long way to go for them yet, but definitely going in the right direction.

Good on them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 24, 2023, 12:32:12 AM
Not too much to be said on tomorrow's fixtures.

Ballycran v Shamrocks and Bredagh v Portaferry will not affect anything in the championship. Will be interesting to see if either Bredagh or Shamrocks are able to deal with their Ards opponents. Been a rough championship for both teams.

Paul Sheehan lining out against his old club is probably going to be a talking point.

Clonduff v CPN in the Intermediate should be an exciting match. Wouldn't know who to call at all for that one. Warrenpoint having a good first year in the Intermediate Championship. Winner of this game will join Carryduff, Bredagh, and Shamrocks in the semi finals.

Both Clonduff and the Point are definitely coming on, but will be interesting to see if either has enough to reach an intermediate final.

Both teams existing in a strange spot in the Down Hurling landscape atm. Neither team is ready yet to mix it with the senior sides, but equally, they are probably too high a standard to be troubled in the Junior Championship. Perhaps the two only true intermediate teams in Down?

Regardless, will be a good battle. Clonduff probably a bit further along their development than the Point, with some more notable names, but CPN won't feel like they've anything to be afraid of and won't be a million miles away.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 24, 2023, 08:57:58 AM
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0M5qnengrA8ztv9cV2rKpktBv9p5Wn6wz5SN6Abdtjx3oKAEKvDtdukfVENhCXdC2l&id=100057505095491

Down LGFA have mad a balls of that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on September 24, 2023, 09:23:38 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 24, 2023, 08:57:58 AMhttps://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0M5qnengrA8ztv9cV2rKpktBv9p5Wn6wz5SN6Abdtjx3oKAEKvDtdukfVENhCXdC2l&id=100057505095491

Down LGFA have mad a balls of that

I was just reading that this morning. Is it a case of two sides to every story? I can't imagine an oversight of an administrative error on the Down LGFA's side requiring a vote from participating clubs. And why the participating clubs would then vote them out on the back of a board error.

I recall in, I believe 2011 (although could have been 2010), the CB forgot to include Tullylish in the [men's] Senior Championship draw as an amalgamated team took part (ASK Lecale). The draw was simply redone a few days later.

I can't see how this couldn't have been done in this case.

I think there may be more to this story than is being told. Although if everything Saval say is true then the word 'shambles' comes to mind.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 24, 2023, 09:47:01 AM
Quote from: Splash on September 23, 2023, 12:48:23 AMAlso worth pointing out- East Belfast have a couple of ex-Castlewellen men about the club. Might prove to be an interesting match in more ways than one. :P

Not sure but I think Owen Taggert is an older brother of CT who's centre back for the county and portaferry. Ryan McMullan is also ex portaferry better known for his guitar than the hurling.
That result I believe means Castlewellan need to go to Kilclief and win to stay in the junior championship.

As for Liatroim I think they missed the boat yesterday, our lads were off it again but were reasonably comfortable once they started to click in the second half.
I'm also led to believe that the Rossa contingent are heading back to the big smoke next year.
Two dead rubbers in the seniors today and in general the senior championship has lacked intensity, maybe a review of the format needs to happen.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on September 24, 2023, 10:44:37 AM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on September 24, 2023, 09:23:38 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on September 24, 2023, 08:57:58 AMhttps://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0M5qnengrA8ztv9cV2rKpktBv9p5Wn6wz5SN6Abdtjx3oKAEKvDtdukfVENhCXdC2l&id=100057505095491

Down LGFA have mad a balls of that

I was just reading that this morning. Is it a case of two sides to every story? I can't imagine an oversight of an administrative error on the Down LGFA's side requiring a vote from participating clubs. And why the participating clubs would then vote them out on the back of a board error.

I recall in, I believe 2011 (although could have been 2010), the CB forgot to include Tullylish in the [men's] Senior Championship draw as an amalgamated team took part (ASK Lecale). The draw was simply redone a few days later.

I can't see how this couldn't have been done in this case.

I think there may be more to this story than is being told. Although if everything Saval say is true then the word 'shambles' comes to mind.

The whole Senior/Intermediate LGFA Championship structure this season has unfortunately been a bit of a farce and grossly unfair to clubs who up until last week were not actually sure what Championship they were going to be playing in where some were concerned.

One of the biggest issues was the format that was passed earlier in the year allowed for Senior clubs to play Intermediate and thus if the Senior club won the Intermediate Down would have had no representative in Ulster.

Just not good enough unfortunately. Probably a little more to Saval's story, but I do know there has been serious discontent among clubs about the championship formats for this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 25, 2023, 03:07:07 PM
The LGFA championships appear to need a revamp because it is now more difficult to go home empty-handed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on September 26, 2023, 02:42:06 PM
SFC Semi-Final this weekend. Can anyone see any other result than the big 2 in the final?

Glenn unlikely to trouble a very strong Burren side this year. But if the can reproduce their form against mayobridge they could make a game of it for 30 mins or so.

Other semi final is more interesting, Clonduff have been quietly looking good although havent really been tested. Kilcoo on the other hand have had stronger opposition but haven't looked themselves. Ill go for Clonduff vs Burren final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on September 26, 2023, 04:52:39 PM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on September 26, 2023, 02:42:06 PMSFC Semi-Final this weekend. Can anyone see any other result than the big 2 in the final?

Glenn unlikely to trouble a very strong Burren side this year. But if the can reproduce their form against mayobridge they could make a game of it for 30 mins or so.

Other semi final is more interesting, Clonduff have been quietly looking good although havent really been tested. Kilcoo on the other hand have had stronger opposition but haven't looked themselves. Ill go for Clonduff vs Burren final.

I'm afraid it has nothing but a Burren vs Kilcoo final written all over it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Town Gael on September 26, 2023, 08:34:23 PM
Quote from: PTC on September 21, 2023, 11:11:14 PM
Quote from: Granto on September 21, 2023, 06:56:24 PM
Quote from: elk on September 19, 2023, 08:43:42 AM
Quote from: urbangael on September 18, 2023, 09:44:21 PMPoacher unlikely to get another job in Down football. The merry go round stops at some point. Mayobridge was always split on his appointment. Not a nice thing to say but there will be Mayobridge supporters happy enough tonight as that confirms his exit.
CPN might take him.

I hear that CPN are already in negotiations with him  ;)
I hear castlewellan are also interested
Quote from: PTC on September 21, 2023, 11:11:14 PM
Quote from: Granto on September 21, 2023, 06:56:24 PM
Quote from: elk on September 19, 2023, 08:43:42 AM
Quote from: urbangael on September 18, 2023, 09:44:21 PMPoacher unlikely to get another job in Down football. The merry go round stops at some point. Mayobridge was always split on his appointment. Not a nice thing to say but there will be Mayobridge supporters happy enough tonight as that confirms his exit.
CPN might take him.

I hear that CPN are already in negotiations with him  ;)
I hear castlewellan are also interested
You need to get a better source!!!! Will never be back in Castlewellan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on September 26, 2023, 09:54:29 PM
Quote from: Town Gael on September 26, 2023, 08:34:23 PM
Quote from: PTC on September 21, 2023, 11:11:14 PM
Quote from: Granto on September 21, 2023, 06:56:24 PM
Quote from: elk on September 19, 2023, 08:43:42 AM
Quote from: urbangael on September 18, 2023, 09:44:21 PMPoacher unlikely to get another job in Down football. The merry go round stops at some point. Mayobridge was always split on his appointment. Not a nice thing to say but there will be Mayobridge supporters happy enough tonight as that confirms his exit.
CPN might take him.

I hear that CPN are already in negotiations with him  ;)
I hear castlewellan are also interested
Quote from: PTC on September 21, 2023, 11:11:14 PM
Quote from: Granto on September 21, 2023, 06:56:24 PM
Quote from: elk on September 19, 2023, 08:43:42 AM
Quote from: urbangael on September 18, 2023, 09:44:21 PMPoacher unlikely to get another job in Down football. The merry go round stops at some point. Mayobridge was always split on his appointment. Not a nice thing to say but there will be Mayobridge supporters happy enough tonight as that confirms his exit.
CPN might take him.

I hear that CPN are already in negotiations with him  ;)
I hear castlewellan are also interested
You need to get a better source!!!! Will never be back in Castlewellan
My source tells me players aren't happy with current set up. Management socialising with players after games has led to a few heated arguments.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on September 27, 2023, 05:09:20 PM
I can't see any other final bar Kilcoo/Burren. Weather could make these games difficult for all involved.
I'd like to see a St Johns/ Liatroim final too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 29, 2023, 01:17:06 AM
Good week of hurling action.

Portaferry v Bredagh went much as expected. Been a tough year for Belfast side, but could win the Intermediate, and have had more success at minor again this year. They will begin to trouble the Ards sides at senior level soon enough, surely. Portaferry will very much in with s chance to win back fo back titles.

Newry Shamrocks simply couldn't live with Ballycran. Shamrocks have struggled and will be glad to see the back of the Senior Championship for now. Whilst they may not be hitting the highs they were a year or two ago, the club is in a far better place now than it was a few years ago. It's been good to see their development in hurling. Ballycran still favourites for the title. Good team.

Liatroim will be kicking themselves. This was perhaps their best chance at beating an Ards side. Liatroim seem to produce good hurlers, just not enough of them to thrive against the Ards sides. Regardless of the rumours of players leaving the club, have heard talk of lads transferring in. Whilst Liatroim are down, they are not out. Still capable of springing a surprise in this championship. Ballygalget seem to be slowly getting back on track. Whilst a senior championship is probably too far a step this year, they seem to be getting back to form.

Worth raising the point- the physicality and strength of the Ards sides seems to put them above their opponents. Surely this could be transferred to the Junior Football Championship? I know players travel to Loughinisland, Saul, etc. to play with the big ball, but it is hardly convenient for lads on the Ards to travel to such an extent to train every week.

I would be a massive supporter of encouraging more clubs to have hurling teams, but perhaps it goes both ways? No child should be denied the chance to play either code.

Believe I am right in saying there was football on the Ards in the past?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 29, 2023, 01:38:19 AM
Warrenpoint snatch a late victory from Clonduff.

I remember when they won the junior last year, talking to somebody, saying it was well for them, but they were in for a rough ride. Pleasantly surprised  to find that has not been the case. Great to see. Need more hurling along the seafront in Down.

Wouldn't know much about hurling in the point, but is it a case of good systems, have they good lads coming through, etc., or is this a golden generation?

Clonduff missing some key players so the story goes. Christy Hynes a big miss I hear. All the same, this doesn't take away from CPN's victory, and Clonduff will be happy with their lot considering where they were at the start of the year.

Would expect them to come back up from Div 2, particularly if the Brannagans return to play. Assuming Carryduff get promoted to the Senior Championship, there's nothing stopping Clonduff giving the Intermediate a rattle next year.

Be interesting to see now how the rest of the championship unfolds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 29, 2023, 09:38:23 AM
Quote from: Splash on September 29, 2023, 01:17:06 AMGood week of hurling action.

Portaferry v Bredagh went much as expected. Been a tough year for Belfast side, but could win the Intermediate, and have had more success at minor again this year. They will begin to trouble the Ards sides at senior level soon enough, surely. Portaferry will very much in with s chance to win back fo back titles.

Newry Shamrocks simply couldn't live with Ballycran. Shamrocks have struggled and will be glad to see the back of the Senior Championship for now. Whilst they may not be hitting the highs they were a year or two ago, the club is in a far better place now than it was a few years ago. It's been good to see their development in hurling. Ballycran still favourites for the title. Good team.

Liatroim will be kicking themselves. This was perhaps their best chance at beating an Ards side. Liatroim seem to produce good hurlers, just not enough of them to thrive against the Ards sides. Regardless of the rumours of players leaving the club, have heard talk of lads transferring in. Whilst Liatroim are down, they are not out. Still capable of springing a surprise in this championship. Ballygalget seem to be slowly getting back on track. Whilst a senior championship is probably too far a step this year, they seem to be getting back to form.

Worth raising the point- the physicality and strength of the Ards sides seems to put them above their opponents. Surely this could be transferred to the Junior Football Championship? I know players travel to Loughinisland, Saul, etc. to play with the big ball, but it is hardly convenient for lads on the Ards to travel to such an extent to train every week.

I would be a massive supporter of encouraging more clubs to have hurling teams, but perhaps it goes both ways? No child should be denied the chance to play either code.

Believe I am right in saying there was football on the Ards in the past?

You need 18 to 20 lads comfortable and capable of senior hurling to really make an impact, at the minute we don't, we've still a few passengers on a good day and if we get a few injuries we're digging deep into either untested youngsters or lads who're ultimately junior hurlers.
As much as Bredagh chinned us in the minor championship (again) this is the start of our development program coming to fruition into adult hurling but it'll take time for them to have an impact at this level and I'm talking about 2 to 3 years. We've some strong hurlers in each year right down to U13 where we're suffering badly with numbers but that doesn't mean to say there's not some good hurlers in there.
Liatroim just didn't have enough hurlers in key positions, corner back and keeper being the two obvious ones. Prenter is a handful and whilst he got a good few scores he also left a goal or two behind him as did two of the younger lads, taking their eye off the ball at the wrong moment, they'd the ball hit and in the net before they'd actually secured the pass in their hands, schoolboy errors they'll need to learn from and quickly.
Liatroim persisted with the sweeper for too long when chasing the game with the wind in the second half, although when they did move Ruairi McCrickard up the field to win ball, John McManus went with him and if anything that had a more positive impact for us than them. Pierce OG was dangerous enough at times but was starved of quality ball to work with. We aren't good at playing the sweeper and he made hay in the first half off that but we got far better in the second half in denying him the space he needed.
Neither Ballycran nor Portaferry will be to worried about what they saw in that game TBH.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 29, 2023, 01:14:02 PM
Quote from: Splash on September 29, 2023, 01:17:06 AMGood week of hurling action.

Portaferry v Bredagh went much as expected. Been a tough year for Belfast side, but could win the Intermediate, and have had more success at minor again this year. They will begin to trouble the Ards sides at senior level soon enough, surely. Portaferry will very much in with s chance to win back fo back titles.

Newry Shamrocks simply couldn't live with Ballycran. Shamrocks have struggled and will be glad to see the back of the Senior Championship for now. Whilst they may not be hitting the highs they were a year or two ago, the club is in a far better place now than it was a few years ago. It's been good to see their development in hurling. Ballycran still favourites for the title. Good team.

Liatroim will be kicking themselves. This was perhaps their best chance at beating an Ards side. Liatroim seem to produce good hurlers, just not enough of them to thrive against the Ards sides. Regardless of the rumours of players leaving the club, have heard talk of lads transferring in. Whilst Liatroim are down, they are not out. Still capable of springing a surprise in this championship. Ballygalget seem to be slowly getting back on track. Whilst a senior championship is probably too far a step this year, they seem to be getting back to form.

Worth raising the point- the physicality and strength of the Ards sides seems to put them above their opponents. Surely this could be transferred to the Junior Football Championship? I know players travel to Loughinisland, Saul, etc. to play with the big ball, but it is hardly convenient for lads on the Ards to travel to such an extent to train every week.

I would be a massive supporter of encouraging more clubs to have hurling teams, but perhaps it goes both ways? No child should be denied the chance to play either code.

Believe I am right in saying there was football on the Ards in the past?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 29, 2023, 01:14:32 PM
Quote from: Splash on September 29, 2023, 01:17:06 AMGood week of hurling action.

Portaferry v Bredagh went much as expected. Been a tough year for Belfast side, but could win the Intermediate, and have had more success at minor again this year. They will begin to trouble the Ards sides at senior level soon enough, surely. Portaferry will very much in with s chance to win back fo back titles.

Newry Shamrocks simply couldn't live with Ballycran. Shamrocks have struggled and will be glad to see the back of the Senior Championship for now. Whilst they may not be hitting the highs they were a year or two ago, the club is in a far better place now than it was a few years ago. It's been good to see their development in hurling. Ballycran still favourites for the title. Good team.

Liatroim will be kicking themselves. This was perhaps their best chance at beating an Ards side. Liatroim seem to produce good hurlers, just not enough of them to thrive against the Ards sides. Regardless of the rumours of players leaving the club, have heard talk of lads transferring in. Whilst Liatroim are down, they are not out. Still capable of springing a surprise in this championship. Ballygalget seem to be slowly getting back on track. Whilst a senior championship is probably too far a step this year, they seem to be getting back to form.

Worth raising the point- the physicality and strength of the Ards sides seems to put them above their opponents. Surely this could be transferred to the Junior Football Championship? I know players travel to Loughinisland, Saul, etc. to play with the big ball, but it is hardly convenient for lads on the Ards to travel to such an extent to train every week.

I would be a massive supporter of encouraging more clubs to have hurling teams, but perhaps it goes both ways? No child should be denied the chance to play either code.

Believe I am right in saying there was football on the Ards in the past?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on September 29, 2023, 01:16:45 PM
Quote from: Splash on September 29, 2023, 01:17:06 AMGood week of hurling action.

Portaferry v Bredagh went much as expected. Been a tough year for Belfast side, but could win the Intermediate, and have had more success at minor again this year. They will begin to trouble the Ards sides at senior level soon enough, surely. Portaferry will very much in with s chance to win back fo back titles.

Newry Shamrocks simply couldn't live with Ballycran. Shamrocks have struggled and will be glad to see the back of the Senior Championship for now. Whilst they may not be hitting the highs they were a year or two ago, the club is in a far better place now than it was a few years ago. It's been good to see their development in hurling. Ballycran still favourites for the title. Good team.

Liatroim will be kicking themselves. This was perhaps their best chance at beating an Ards side. Liatroim seem to produce good hurlers, just not enough of them to thrive against the Ards sides. Regardless of the rumours of players leaving the club, have heard talk of lads transferring in. Whilst Liatroim are down, they are not out. Still capable of springing a surprise in this championship. Ballygalget seem to be slowly getting back on track. Whilst a senior championship is probably too far a step this year, they seem to be getting back to form.

Worth raising the point- the physicality and strength of the Ards sides seems to put them above their opponents. Surely this could be transferred to the Junior Football Championship? I know players travel to Loughinisland, Saul, etc. to play with the big ball, but it is hardly convenient for lads on the Ards to travel to such an extent to train every week.

I would be a massive supporter of encouraging more clubs to have hurling teams, but perhaps it goes both ways? No child should be denied the chance to play either code.

Believe I am right in saying there was football on the Ards in the past?
I remember Ballycran playing in Div4 many years ago, Greg Blaney was playing for them back then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on September 29, 2023, 01:58:56 PM
Ballycran in the early 90's had established themselves as a decent Division 3 outfit in football and had picked up a right few victories in the IFC.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on September 29, 2023, 02:47:40 PM
The chances of the lads of Clough fielding a hurling team in the JHC in 2023 are higher than those of Ards fielding a football team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on September 29, 2023, 02:59:45 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on September 29, 2023, 01:58:56 PMBallycran in the early 90's had established themselves as a decent Division 3 outfit in football and had picked up a right few victories in the IFC.

Back then football suspensions carried into the hurling, not the case now, but hard to see much motivation within any of the three Ards clubs to put out a junior football team right in the middle of a hurling season.

In saying that if you look at Dunloy, they seem to manage it quite well although they don't look to have given league football in Antrim much focus.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on September 30, 2023, 01:04:07 AM
Easy win for Burren tonight; Glenn seemed overawed, none of the drive that dismantled the Bridge. !5 men behind the ball even when 6 points behind in the second half revealed their mindset
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on September 30, 2023, 01:19:23 AM
Never realised Ballycran reached the level of the IFC.

Heard someone float an idea once of simply having an amalgamated Ards team on the peninsula as opposed to each 3 clubs fielding a team. Think it was explained as being based on the logic there would not be enough interest to be able to field 3 teams, and one team would be more competitive than 3 smaller teams.

This will no doubt be met with comments of 'there's more chance of Celtic and Rangers merging than the Ards teams merging,' etc.

It's unlikely, yes. But it's an interesting idea to think about. How best can Down utilise its resources?

Dunloy have shown what can be done with the right setup.

Realistically, wouldn't expect any team in Down to be seriously challenging for both senior championships (bar perhaps Carryduff in a couple years and maybe Bredagh), but there is no reason a club cannot be competitive at junior/intermediate level in their second code.

Would there be any interest on the Ards at all in the big ball? Was speaking to a fella who used to live in North Antrim, and he told me he wasn't able to find anywhere showing the Ulster SFC. Just no interest whatsoever he says.

Would the Ards be the same?

Phelim Savage from Ballycran plays football for Saul, and I know a couple lads have a bit of interest in the soccer, but that's all that I can think of.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 01, 2023, 07:04:57 PM
Clonduff really lost the heads at the end of that match and glad Conor Curran had the sense to blow it up before something else sparked another brawl
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 01, 2023, 07:56:00 PM
Disgraceful scenes in newry. Clonduff let themselves down big time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 01, 2023, 08:00:10 PM
Disgrace at the end, Clonduff were lucky not to have more sent off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on October 01, 2023, 08:22:56 PM
Clonduff actions cannot be condoned, but have to question if Niall Brannigan has a single brain cell lashing out when winning by a hatful,caused that whole scene and caused himself a final place..... well at least until the legal team get in and get that overturned.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 01, 2023, 08:25:02 PM
Clonduff never believed they could win that game. But they can take comfort knowing that Burren will hammer Kilcoo in the final. Up to the real aristocrats of down football to return Frank to its natural habitat. Mark my words, Burren will beat Kilcoo pulling up in a couple of weeks.The saviours of Down football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 01, 2023, 08:42:02 PM
Quote from: upandwin on October 01, 2023, 08:25:02 PMClonduff never believed they could win that game. But they can take comfort knowing that Burren will hammer Kilcoo in the final. Up to the real aristocrats of down football to return Frank to its natural habitat. Mark my words, Burren will beat Kilcoo pulling up in a couple of weeks.The saviours of Down football
Thats if Burren don't shit the bed as usual when Kilcoo step on to the field
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on October 01, 2023, 09:03:13 PM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 01, 2023, 08:22:56 PMClonduff actions cannot be condoned, but have to question if Niall Brannigan has a single brain cell lashing out when winning by a hatful,caused that whole scene and caused himself a final place..... well at least until the legal team get in and get that overturned.

What about Rooneys kickout? And Nialls first half stamp? Why oh why is it always Kilcoo. Always the victims...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 01, 2023, 09:04:36 PM
Great performance from Kilcoo tonight, showed a lot of maturity not getting involved with the cowards from clonduff. If they had of shown a bit of fight at the start of the game they might of got a bit closer to Kilcoo. That will finish Darren now, a great servant for club and county but far to heavy now he can hardly move, they should play play eamon brown further out the field next year he looked like a big teapot standing in full forward one hand on his hip and the other pointing where he wants the ball. Number 15 is gutless
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on October 01, 2023, 09:26:02 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 01, 2023, 09:04:36 PMGreat performance from Kilcoo tonight, showed a lot of maturity not getting involved with the cowards from clonduff. If they had of shown a bit of fight at the start of the game they might of got a bit closer to Kilcoo. That will finish Darren now, a great servant for club and county but far to heavy now he can hardly move, they should play play eamon brown further out the field next year he looked like a big teapot standing in full forward one hand on his hip and the other pointing where he wants the ball. Number 15 is gutless

Clearly a kilcoo fan here who can't admit their own wrong doings, looking forward to reading the report for Brannigans red card over turn, I'm sure it will happen
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 01, 2023, 09:26:31 PM
Quote from: upandwin on October 01, 2023, 08:25:02 PMClonduff never believed they could win that game. But they can take comfort knowing that Burren will hammer Kilcoo in the final. Up to the real aristocrats of down football to return Frank to its natural habitat. Mark my words, Burren will beat Kilcoo pulling up in a couple of weeks.The saviours of Down football
Some people never learn!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 01, 2023, 09:29:21 PM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 01, 2023, 09:26:02 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 01, 2023, 09:04:36 PMGreat performance from Kilcoo tonight, showed a lot of maturity not getting involved with the cowards from clonduff. If they had of shown a bit of fight at the start of the game they might of got a bit closer to Kilcoo. That will finish Darren now, a great servant for club and county but far to heavy now he can hardly move, they should play play eamon brown further out the field next year he looked like a big teapot standing in full forward one hand on his hip and the other pointing where he wants the ball. Number 15 is gutless

Clearly a kilcoo fan here who can't admit their own wrong doings, looking forward to reading the report for Brannigans red card over turn, I'm sure it will happen
Did I say something that wasn't the truth??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on October 01, 2023, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 01, 2023, 09:29:21 PM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 01, 2023, 09:26:02 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 01, 2023, 09:04:36 PMGreat performance from Kilcoo tonight, showed a lot of maturity not getting involved with the cowards from clonduff. If they had of shown a bit of fight at the start of the game they might of got a bit closer to Kilcoo. That will finish Darren now, a great servant for club and county but far to heavy now he can hardly move, they should play play eamon brown further out the field next year he looked like a big teapot standing in full forward one hand on his hip and the other pointing where he wants the ball. Number 15 is gutless

Clearly a kilcoo fan here who can't admit their own wrong doings, looking forward to reading the report for Brannigans red card over turn, I'm sure it will happen
Did I say something that wasn't the truth??

Kilcoo never got involved, how did the row start remind me?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 01, 2023, 09:45:48 PM
Thought Kilcoo were v disciplined during the melee; shipping a few punches without striking back. Their own red card was utter stupidity tho, game was well over, and now will miss the final.
Clonduff were bad losers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 01, 2023, 09:52:18 PM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 01, 2023, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 01, 2023, 09:29:21 PM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 01, 2023, 09:26:02 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 01, 2023, 09:04:36 PMGreat performance from Kilcoo tonight, showed a lot of maturity not getting involved with the cowards from clonduff. If they had of shown a bit of fight at the start of the game they might of got a bit closer to Kilcoo. That will finish Darren now, a great servant for club and county but far to heavy now he can hardly move, they should play play eamon brown further out the field next year he looked like a big teapot standing in full forward one hand on his hip and the other pointing where he wants the ball. Number 15 is gutless

Clearly a kilcoo fan here who can't admit their own wrong doings, looking forward to reading the report for Brannigans red card over turn, I'm sure it will happen
Did I say something that wasn't the truth??

Kilcoo never got involved, how did the row start remind me?
Who went to Kilcoo dugout to start a melee? Like I said before it's that time of the year let's all bash Kilcoo! Clonduff forever the bridesmaids
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on October 01, 2023, 09:55:58 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 01, 2023, 09:52:18 PM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 01, 2023, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 01, 2023, 09:29:21 PM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 01, 2023, 09:26:02 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 01, 2023, 09:04:36 PMGreat performance from Kilcoo tonight, showed a lot of maturity not getting involved with the cowards from clonduff. If they had of shown a bit of fight at the start of the game they might of got a bit closer to Kilcoo. That will finish Darren now, a great servant for club and county but far to heavy now he can hardly move, they should play play eamon brown further out the field next year he looked like a big teapot standing in full forward one hand on his hip and the other pointing where he wants the ball. Number 15 is gutless

Clearly a kilcoo fan here who can't admit their own wrong doings, looking forward to reading the report for Brannigans red card over turn, I'm sure it will happen
Did I say something that wasn't the truth??

Kilcoo never got involved, how did the row start remind me?
Who went to Kilcoo dugout to start a melee? Like I said before it's that time of the year let's all bash Kilcoo! Clonduff forever the bridesmaids

Clonduff no doubt the bridesmaids but if you cannot admit that Nialls striking action caused the whole thing, you need to watch that game again, he has a bit of sense and the game ends a damp squib with a free that may have and may not have ended with a clonduff score, no reds and the only chat out of the game is how poor it was
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 01, 2023, 09:56:12 PM
The row started because darren o Hagan reacted to a clumsy high tackle from n brannigan. It wasnt that bad a tackle and the reaction from darren was way over the top which lead to the mellee. Clonduff knew at this point they were stuffed and resorted to cheap shots. Kilcoo did well to keep their heads...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on October 01, 2023, 10:03:58 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 01, 2023, 09:56:12 PMThe row started because darren o Hagan reacted to a clumsy high tackle from n brannigan. It wasnt that bad a tackle and the reaction from darren was way over the top which lead to the mellee. Clonduff knew at this point they were stuffed and resorted to cheap shots. Kilcoo did well to keep their heads...

Agree with most of this but that was not a tackle, it was a punch to the eye
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on October 01, 2023, 10:14:46 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 01, 2023, 09:56:12 PMThe row started because darren o Hagan reacted to a clumsy high tackle from n brannigan. It wasnt that bad a tackle and the reaction from darren was way over the top which lead to the mellee. Clonduff knew at this point they were stuffed and resorted to cheap shots. Kilcoo did well to keep their heads...

There was nothing clumsy about it, silly act when the match was won but in fairness to ref dealt out the red cards as required.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 01, 2023, 10:50:43 PM
A silly incident at the end but it's the only thing worth talking about as the game was pathetic. I expected more from young Brown up front in terms of scoring but he failed to deliver - again. An early flourish and late flourish saw Kilcoo into another final. 12 finals in a row - like them or despise them - that's some going...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 02, 2023, 09:22:56 AM
Bit harsh to deny Kilcoo's dominance of the game JB. I thought they came out with real intent, played fairly good football, use of kick pass to their full forward line which hasn't been seen much in SFC.
I just don't understand how it ended, there was no needle the whole way through, not even bad challenge.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on October 02, 2023, 11:17:08 AM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 02, 2023, 09:22:56 AMBit harsh to deny Kilcoo's dominance of the game JB. I thought they came out with real intent, played fairly good football, use of kick pass to their full forward line which hasn't been seen much in SFC.
I just don't understand how it ended, there was no needle the whole way through, not even bad challenge.

I think you are right, there was no needle in game at all, maybe a reason Clonduff were soo toothless. Makes Brannigans tackle seem even more senseless but the Clonduff reaction was the same that most losing teams have, un needed but pure and utter frustration which boiled hot and heavy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mugsy03 on October 02, 2023, 11:41:45 AM
Few things to say about this game want to first start off by stating that I would attend many a club championship games through tyrone derry Armagh and yourselves in down last night. I decided to miss good games in tyrone as I thought this game would be a classic. I suppose I got to see the row (which was an utter disgrace and really has a negative affect on our games especially in the north).  Cush tactics tonight were bizarre at stages but clonduff just don't have the players. Have a few Anthony Joshuas and furys though.

Im not sure whether it is that kilcoo are just way too good or the rest of the teams are so bad?? From the games in tyrone and Armagh that I have watched this year I think kilcoo would have much tougher games in them championships as well in derry. This ultimately has an affect on your county teams. Down used to produce top top forwards that were from different clubs throughout the county? Where has that gone. Gaels go to watch the top forwards. In down yous just don't seem to have that. People pay money into watch the cananavsn, mccurys etc in tyrone, mcguigans in derry, o neills, turbitts and campbells in Armagh. Down just don't have that and it makes for sucha poor watch and ultimately is the reasoning why your county team aren't progressing. Kilcoo don't get tested due to this main reasoning.

Lets hope burren have a few forwards worth talking about
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clonian on October 02, 2023, 11:58:23 AM
Bought both games yesterday because I couldn't get to our game against Liatroim and I thought Clonduff would give Kilcoo a game last night. I had to miss the last 5 minutes so missed all the nonsense at the time. Thought Kilcoo completely dominated the game, hard to know if Clonduff got it completely wrong or Kilcoo are just much better. Watched the end back, there was obviously a bit of winding up going on and Niall Branagan's tackle was stupid on his part but it looks like Clonduff completely over reacted, frustration can do that.

Thought Annaclone put it up to Liatroim but going down to 14 men killed any chance they had. Liatroim probably the better side though. Should be a tight enough final, Rostrevor under pressure not to lose 2 finals in a row.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on October 02, 2023, 12:01:42 PM
Quote from: mugsy03 on October 02, 2023, 11:41:45 AMFew things to say about this game want to first start off by stating that I would attend many a club championship games through tyrone derry Armagh and yourselves in down last night. I decided to miss good games in tyrone as I thought this game would be a classic. I suppose I got to see the row (which was an utter disgrace and really has a negative affect on our games especially in the north).  Cush tactics tonight were bizarre at stages but clonduff just don't have the players. Have a few Anthony Joshuas and furys though.

Im not sure whether it is that kilcoo are just way too good or the rest of the teams are so bad?? From the games in tyrone and Armagh that I have watched this year I think kilcoo would have much tougher games in them championships as well in derry. This ultimately has an affect on your county teams. Down used to produce top top forwards that were from different clubs throughout the county? Where has that gone. Gaels go to watch the top forwards. In down yous just don't seem to have that. People pay money into watch the cananavsn, mccurys etc in tyrone, mcguigans in derry, o neills, turbitts and campbells in Armagh. Down just don't have that and it makes for sucha poor watch and ultimately is the reasoning why your county team aren't progressing. Kilcoo don't get tested due to this main reasoning.

Lets hope burren have a few forwards worth talking about


I've watched alot of down football, i think there are plenty of good forwards but the puke football tactics nowadays leave every forward with several lines of numbers in front of them, so have to beat that for winning the ball, then beat most of them again to get a score. Scores in big games with both teams playing well come from an odd off the shoulder run and snap shot, or frees, not too often it's a 1v1 and see what your made off. Eamon Brown, Jerome, Shealon, Andrew Gilmore, Pat Havern, Beatty, Barry ohagan, Cory Quinn, and plenty others are lethal forwards but tactics are getting worse, players scared to make mistake, so don't shoot
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 02, 2023, 03:30:06 PM
These clashes on the sidelines will stop if there are dugouts on the opposite side of Pairc Esler. A stray punch can kill .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 02, 2023, 03:47:34 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 02, 2023, 03:30:06 PMThese clashes on the sidelines will stop if there are dugouts on the opposite side of Pairc Esler. A stray punch can kill .
I know this is wishful thinking and very unlikely to ever happen but anyone sent off for a strike should be sent on an information session about one punch killing. Might deter it in the future or it might not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on October 02, 2023, 03:50:36 PM
I've heard worse shouts than that Nanderson tbh
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 02, 2023, 04:05:39 PM
It's a measure that should be considered but there needs to be further measures taken. There just seems to be a brawl every week in the gaa. Someone is going to be badly injured and even worse fatally injured at this rate. The video evidence helps and these guys that decide to through punches need a lot more that just a 1 game ban.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 02, 2023, 04:31:46 PM
It's strange that players behave like this during football matches when I'd imagine most of them wouldn't be out throwing punches away from the pitch. There seems to be some sort of belief that fighting on a football pitch isn't the same as fighting outside a bar or anywhere else. The old "what happens on the pitch stays on the pitch" attitude maybe. But most players now are far stronger and heavier than ever, and a punch could do serious damage. Young kids seeing that could well be put off playing football too. It's pathetic.

Nanderson, not a bad shout about the information session. It's a start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 02, 2023, 05:49:57 PM
I like the idea alright but I'm sure most people have been on a speed awareness course by now, does it genuinely change driving behaviour.
It's a big question, how do we stop this strange pattern of players acting like maniacs during a game, what switches their brain into that mode. Most of them wouldn't act like that on the street.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 02, 2023, 06:15:35 PM
Quote from: terrifictommy on October 02, 2023, 05:49:57 PMI like the idea alright but I'm sure most people have been on a speed awareness course by now, does it genuinely change driving behaviour.
It's a big question, how do we stop this strange pattern of players acting like maniacs during a game, what switches their brain into that mode. Most of them wouldn't act like that on the street.
I'm not 100% sure on the ban times for striking but imagine that if you are a first time offender you get the minimum ban plus an awareness course, everytime there after you just get the maximum ban possible. Not sure how well it would work but the next stage for me would be getting the police involved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 02, 2023, 07:33:51 PM
I'm hearing there may have been justification for throwing a few slaps last night. Disgusting mouthing from the county champions if true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 02, 2023, 07:40:24 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 02, 2023, 07:33:51 PMI'm hearing there may have been justification for throwing a few slaps last night. Disgusting mouthing from the county champions if true.
Much like we were talking would people throw the same punches in the real world, I'd doubt people would have the balls to say half the stuff they do on a pitch if they were at a bar or out and about. Wish there was a way to prove sledging claims as it all melts down to one word against another unless an official has overheard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 02, 2023, 08:00:55 PM
Lotto...If there was any verbal it was not the cause of that disgraceful show as there was no slaps but punches thrown by the yella shirts. The video clearly shows it all.  It was a clean game to the point of yellow card tackle by n brannigan who was then punched by r Carr and then has head stood on by s mc conville and then darren lost the head. After this it was a disgraceful show from e brown and others at the kilcoo sub box was attracted by yella shirts . The kilcoo lads had to keep the head and take physical punishment and thankfully the officials seen it also. No one can be sure of what verbals were exchanged but when your getting punched .......
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 02, 2023, 08:25:12 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 02, 2023, 08:00:55 PMLotto...If there was any verbal it was not the cause of that disgraceful show as there was no slaps but punches thrown by the yella shirts. The video clearly shows it all.  It was a clean game to the point of yellow card tackle by n brannigan who was then punched by r Carr and then has head stood on by s mc conville and then darren lost the head. After this it was a disgraceful show from e brown and others at the kilcoo sub box was attracted by yella shirts . The kilcoo lads had to keep the head and take physical punishment and thankfully the officials seen it also. No one can be sure of what verbals were exchanged but when your getting punched .......

Yellow card tackle from N Brannigan..are you teeing up the appeal!! ..absolute BS he struck out unnecessarily and deservedly was red carded. Clonduff lost the plot at that stage and ref dealt with it. Conor Curran done what was needed. If you strike then you should be prepared to take the slap and consequences that follow. If a player is mouthing at all let alone anything personal then they deserve whatever comes. Hopefully a strong referee and linesmen with strong integrity are in place for the final who'll stand up to any of this crap that has long been ignored and excused.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 02, 2023, 08:32:09 PM
I had a good view of incident at the match and I still think it deserved nothing more that a yellow. The reason he got red was due to the aftermath and official was under pressure to even the score. I agree with everything else you say....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 02, 2023, 08:39:13 PM
Was it really only a yellow card tackle though? It's a clever attempt to disguise as a clumsy tackle but for me the contact with both hands is on the head. But I've only seen it once.

But let's not get this sideways. The punching needs to stop and last night doesn't do our game any good. Doesn't reflect well for our county. Sledging or not, grown adults should be able to handle taunts, again I'm not condoning sledging either.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 02, 2023, 08:43:22 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 02, 2023, 08:25:12 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 02, 2023, 08:00:55 PMLotto...If there was any verbal it was not the cause of that disgraceful show as there was no slaps but punches thrown by the yella shirts. The video clearly shows it all.  It was a clean game to the point of yellow card tackle by n brannigan who was then punched by r Carr and then has head stood on by s mc conville and then darren lost the head. After this it was a disgraceful show from e brown and others at the kilcoo sub box was attracted by yella shirts . The kilcoo lads had to keep the head and take physical punishment and thankfully the officials seen it also. No one can be sure of what verbals were exchanged but when your getting punched .......

Yellow card tackle from N Brannigan..are you teeing up the appeal!! ..absolute BS he struck out unnecessarily and deservedly was red carded. Clonduff lost the plot at that stage and ref dealt with it. Conor Curran done what was needed. If you strike then you should be prepared to take the slap and consequences that follow. If a player is mouthing at all let alone anything personal then they deserve whatever comes. Hopefully a strong referee and linesmen with strong integrity are in place for the final who'll stand up to any of this crap that has long been ignored and excused.
There was no sledging, if it was true why would e brown be apologising to Kilcoo player outside changing room. I seen a person on twitter saying it started over water getting sprayed on players leaving field. Not wise
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on October 02, 2023, 08:51:29 PM
Hearing really horrible things that Kilcoo players are supposed to have said on pitch last night to instigate the fight. Is there no level too low for them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 02, 2023, 09:01:20 PM
Just seen videos of clonduff lads in Belfast last night continuing on there thuggish actions which is weird because there was no Kilcoo people there winding them up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on October 02, 2023, 09:03:24 PM
Quote from: ck on October 02, 2023, 08:51:29 PMHearing really horrible things that Kilcoo players are supposed to have said on pitch last night to instigate the fight. Is there no level too low for them?


That can't be true, did you not hear Karl Lacey say again that his team is being targeted??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 02, 2023, 09:16:16 PM
100% Correct they have been clearly targeted 2 games in a row.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 02, 2023, 09:52:25 PM
The appointment of the ref and linemen for the county final will be interesting.  Id safely say the Co Board wont have the stones to appoint the best ref in Down to do the County final.  If they don't they should look to appoint a ref from outside the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on October 02, 2023, 10:56:19 PM
niall brannigan deserved the red , needlessly gave the ref a decision to make with the game already won. all clonduff players who seen red deserved it too. kilcoo didnt need verbals so id say that line of mitigation is clonduff fans clutching at straws and anti kilcoo folk wanting it to be true. not a kilcoo fan but they did show great restraint. for the game they were cruising and won at a canter which is very disappointing .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on October 02, 2023, 11:16:48 PM
Does anyone ever think maybe the verbals happened earlier in the game then revenge was sought when game was over as a contest. Not taking sides just saying to think outside the box...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on October 02, 2023, 11:24:16 PM
Maybe it's all true, Kilcoo player wrongly gouges eye of Clonduff player, Clonduff players take matters into own hands, over the top initially, Kilcoo players decide not to act to preserve place in team for final but verbals used (as has happened many times in past) to provoke the opponents further, actions now seem more understandable and spark further reaction which makes clonduff look bad. Kilcoo can then take moral high ground claiming victimisation, when they are nowhere near innocent
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 03, 2023, 12:13:16 AM
Tread very carefully folks. A lot of people believe what they want when it comes to this sort of thing. Serious rumours and allegations.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 03, 2023, 12:28:58 AM
Kilcoo and moral high ground lol 😂
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on October 03, 2023, 01:46:26 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 03, 2023, 12:28:58 AMKilcoo and moral high ground lol 😂
Kilcoo came out smelling of roses from footage. Officials hear and are told of the abuse players recieve, the choose to ignore it. But you mustn't say a word to the ref let alone ask a question or you will get a free moved up and a yellow card potentially.
If Paul Faloon isn't refereeing the final there's something seriously wrong within our county, the man is considered one of the best in Ireland. Simple.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on October 03, 2023, 09:05:11 AM
The Kilcoo Facebook statement and comments are actually ridiculous, they do this to look whiter than white, and to make people think they are innocent, as all evidence points as Clonduff being the guilty party. The comments under the post saying people make this stuff up as nothing good in their lives and jealous, they aren't actually stopping to think  that these verbals possibly did happen and brought serious issues to someone whos life was maybe starting to look a little brighter as time passes, so instead they bring it up on a football field to slate someone and spark a reaction then act like they did nothing. Surely if they that good, winning should be possible without the need for cowardly slating others to get a rise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 03, 2023, 09:21:08 AM
Supersub... a sensible post at this point.

As expected the 2 best teams in Down will contest the final. It has the potential to be the best final in years.  Let's hope we are not reviewing the same s ..te in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 03, 2023, 09:21:47 AM
A stupid statement by the Kilcoo club, it opens up a load of old wounds. Paul  Faloon is the only man fit to ref this final in the county. Otherwise, give it to Sean Hurson.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WT4E on October 03, 2023, 09:50:26 AM
After hearing what was allegedly said I've removed my original post on Clonduff! Kilcoo should suspend their own players for a long time and maybe hit the reset button!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on October 03, 2023, 10:09:35 AM
Racial abuse vs Crossmaglen
Partner + family sledging vs Glen (watch Glass's interview)
Child abuse sledging vs a particular Down referee
Child abuse sledging vs Clonduff
Deceased family member sledging vs Mayobridge

But poor Kilcoo. Always the victims, it's never their fault
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 03, 2023, 10:37:27 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2023, 10:09:35 AMRacial abuse vs Crossmaglen
Partner + family sledging vs Glen (watch Glass's interview)
Child abuse sledging vs a particular Down referee
Child abuse sledging vs Clonduff
Deceased family member sledging vs Mayobridge

But poor Kilcoo. Always the victims, it's never their fault

That's not to bad thought it would be worse
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: LeoMc on October 03, 2023, 10:42:39 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 03, 2023, 10:09:35 AMRacial abuse vs Crossmaglen
Partner + family sledging vs Glen (watch Glass's interview)
Child abuse sledging vs a particular Down referee
Child abuse sledging vs Clonduff
Deceased family member sledging vs Mayobridge

But poor Kilcoo. Always the victims, it's never their fault

Is it a team wide thing or is the bad manners confined to 1 or 2 individuals or a family?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 03, 2023, 10:55:30 AM
Immensely proud of what our men have achieved. Controlled the game from start to finish and had great composure at the end.Can't wait for the final.

12 finals in a row is some going. Says it all.

#UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on October 03, 2023, 10:59:43 AM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on October 03, 2023, 10:55:30 AMImmensely proud of what our men have achieved. Controlled the game from start to finish and had great composure at the end.Can't wait for the final.

12 finals in a row is some going. Says it all.

#UTM

Proud of their antics too MM?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 03, 2023, 11:21:29 AM
Always proud of our men
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Jet2 on October 03, 2023, 12:53:39 PM
As a now FORMER supporter of the magpies I find your reply absolutely disgusting MM! This team may be 12 time finalists but as a result of using mental tactics to try and get opponents to react to cause this volatile and toxic environment that any match involving these so called legends are apart off! I know for a FACT these are not rumours. This disgusting 'sledging' is what is bred into the younger magpies and it is VILE!

A team of men who spend more times lying on their backs to try and obtain frees instead of playing the sport the way the greats have in previous years. They are a bunch of men suffering from a serious case of 'wee man syndrome' which you may believe is something worthy to be proud off but I for one do not know too many people who do in fact like MARMITE!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnPuca on October 03, 2023, 01:20:17 PM
Quote from: Jet2 on October 03, 2023, 12:53:39 PMAs a now FORMER supporter of the magpies I find your reply absolutely disgusting MM! This team may be 12 time finalists but as a result of using mental tactics to try and get opponents to react to cause this volatile and toxic environment that any match involving these so called legends are apart off! I know for a FACT these are not rumours. This disgusting 'sledging' is what is bred into the younger magpies and it is VILE!

A team of men who spend more times lying on their backs to try and obtain frees instead of playing the sport the way the greats have in previous years. They are a bunch of men suffering from a serious case of 'wee man syndrome' which you may believe is something worthy to be proud off but I for one do not know too many people who do in fact like MARMITE!

No harm like but it's a bit of an overreaction there to say his reply is absolutely disgusting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 03, 2023, 01:21:17 PM
Legends each and everyone of them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 03, 2023, 01:33:43 PM
Kilcoo have been the standout team in Down for over a decade but their wins are always tarnished.   The level of sledging is vile. I'm sure most club players in Down would agree.  The great teams of Burren and Mayobridge won with a bit of class the same can't be said of Kilcoo.  The true mark of a champion is how they lose and Kilcoo will lose their title at some point, may not be this year but all good things come to an end. The gaa folk of Down just want a good open clean game of football with our 2 best teams..... I'm not very confident that will happen.  Wait for the diving, sledging and off the ball antics.  Any possible method to gain an advantage and make life near impossible for the officials.  Go watch the rugby and see how real men behave.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on October 03, 2023, 01:38:36 PM
Kilcoo have been in the last 11 finals and have won 10 of them. Now they are in another final.
This is bad for Down at county level and is hindering progress. The other clubs in Down must do whatever it takes to stop this dominance for the good of the county team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 03, 2023, 01:40:32 PM
Final will be a stop start game with the ref afraid of losing control given the high profile nature of the current scandal and recent history of the two teams involved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on October 03, 2023, 01:46:50 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 03, 2023, 01:21:17 PMLegends each and everyone of them

Anyone wants to know what Kilcoo are like, just watch their supporters on this forum 👆, all cut from the same cloth. Every team has an ethos to win at all costs, but to he a gypsy to others which could affect mental and physical health is a low blow and a level I would prefer my team never go to. Win at all costs is within the rules of the game. With Kilcoos Facebook post, I would assume they know them, as willing to mention it to bulk out their ass covering post.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 03, 2023, 01:54:54 PM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 03, 2023, 01:46:50 PM
Quote from: PTC on October 03, 2023, 01:21:17 PMLegends each and everyone of them

Anyone wants to know what Kilcoo are like, just watch their supporters on this forum 👆, all cut from the same cloth. Every team has an ethos to win at all costs, but to he a gypsy to others which could affect mental and physical health is a low blow and a level I would prefer my team never go to. Win at all costs is within the rules of the game. With Kilcoos Facebook post, I would assume they know them, as willing to mention it to bulk out their ass covering post.
Everybody hates us and we wouldn't have it any other way, up the magpies
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 03, 2023, 03:28:27 PM
Lads just a reminder...the physical abuse dished out to kilcoo on sunday night was terrible. It wasnt dished out because of any sledging. It was dished out because clonduff were stuffed and completely outplayed and their reaction to the tackle was way over the top. DONT loose sight of this amongst all the s hi.e that is now out there on social media..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 03, 2023, 03:41:02 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 03, 2023, 03:28:27 PMLads just a reminder...the physical abuse dished out to kilcoo on sunday night was terrible. It wasnt dished out because of any sledging. It was dished out because clonduff were stuffed and completely outplayed and their reaction to the tackle was way over the top. DONT loose sight of this amongst all the s hi.e that is now out there on social media..

You seem really confident, which I hope is the case since, at the end of the day, this is only a football game. Clonduff should make a statement to clear things up as these are SERIOUS allegations.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on October 03, 2023, 05:59:14 PM
We cannot be sure what was said on the field but we CAN be sure what Clonduff done at the end of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 03, 2023, 08:16:58 PM
Ex Derry manager Ciaran Meenagh has joined the Down senior set up as part of Conor Laverty's management team.
Very good appointment, brings lot of experience.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on October 03, 2023, 11:10:48 PM
Kilcoos sledging is widely known and only outdone by their ability to dive and win frees. So much arm grabbing followed by diving to the ground as they roll around in severe pain, holding their heads. Kings of the dark arts.
Watch for these in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 04, 2023, 12:03:20 AM
Quote from: ck on October 03, 2023, 11:10:48 PMKilcoos sledging is widely known and only outdone by their ability to dive and win frees. So much arm grabbing followed by diving to the ground as they roll around in severe pain, holding their heads. Kings of the dark arts.
Watch for these in the final.
Which just so happens to be their 12th final in a row. Some going
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on October 04, 2023, 08:37:40 AM
This supposed sledging that goes on. Only stupid players react. Smart players don't.If you want to win championship finals be smart be disciplined and win. Don't blame others for your failure
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 04, 2023, 09:30:23 AM
Quote from: County Star on October 04, 2023, 08:37:40 AMThis supposed sledging that goes on. Only stupid players react. Smart players don't.If you want to win championship finals be smart be disciplined and win. Don't blame others for your failure

Easier said than done, given some of the disgusting very personal things that have been said on occassions in the past. No idea if that is what really happened at the weekend, but I'd guess the fella's that have given out the personal abuse in the past wouldn't have the stones to do it if they were standing alone on the street. Football is a sport. That crap has no place, nor does the violence.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Jet2 on October 04, 2023, 12:17:13 PM
Only stupid players react? Only mediocre players need to resort to this type of sledging!!! Simples!! Take your wins Kilcoo but when other clubs do finally knock you off your perch they will do so with Class, Discipline and Integrity!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 04, 2023, 12:41:03 PM
Jesusssss, kilcoo aren't angels but this protraying of kilcoo bad everyone else good is embarrassing. Every club has players that sail close to the wind, kilcoo gets highlighted more because of how successful they are.
Not a supporter of kilcoo but if people are honest there's a lot of jealousy out there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 04, 2023, 01:41:51 PM
Meenagh is an excellent choice, but our current retinue now matches McGeeney's background team.GAA clubs and county boards are paying out vast amounts to coaches who pocket more money than the average Joe Soap does in a working week.
We are grateful to the kind benefactors in the county who contribute a lot of money to our county teams. However, wouldn't setting up a centre of excellence be a better use of the funds? Our facilities lag well behind those in Derry, Tyrone, and Louth.
We will get a few days in Croker if we achieve a quick victory, but we are not planning for the future, and we wonder why our youth teams perform so poorly. Facilities are a major factor in this, and it would be fantastic if we had a headquarters to bring everything together.
We are all breaking the main ethos of the GAA and if we do not pull the reigns in then I wouldn't like to see our association in 30 years. And I understand the horse has bolted but we need some sort of reset. As custodians of this great organisation, we need to take our heads of the sand and plan for the future and not quick fixes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 04, 2023, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 03, 2023, 08:16:58 PMEx Derry manager Ciaran Meenagh has joined the Down senior set up as part of Conor Laverty's management team.
Very good appointment, brings lot of experience.

Can only be a positive for the whole set up. As you said a lot of experience which should hopefully help bring us on another level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on October 04, 2023, 07:24:45 PM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on October 04, 2023, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 03, 2023, 08:16:58 PMEx Derry manager Ciaran Meenagh has joined the Down senior set up as part of Conor Laverty's management team.
Very good appointment, brings lot of experience.

Can only be a positive for the whole set up. As you said a lot of experience which should hopefully help bring us on another level.

Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 04, 2023, 08:04:22 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on October 04, 2023, 07:24:45 PM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on October 04, 2023, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 03, 2023, 08:16:58 PMEx Derry manager Ciaran Meenagh has joined the Down senior set up as part of Conor Laverty's management team.
Very good appointment, brings lot of experience.

Can only be a positive for the whole set up. As you said a lot of experience which should hopefully help bring us on another level.

Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear

Now now 🤣
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on October 04, 2023, 09:22:30 PM
The way gaa is going at county level is that every team will have 'an offensive coach' and 'an defensive coach'.

As well as that there'll be a mid-field coach and set piece coach.

Money for old rope. A bus needed for the backroom team alone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 04, 2023, 10:15:33 PM
The way Gaa is going or has gone? The game is now at a much more professional level and to get to that takes professionalism in preparation. We talk of the great Dublin and Kerry Teams that play great football, they have 15+ members of a backroom team from coaches to stats to S+C logistics and more. Thats how we are a professional game played by Amateurs.

If we are to talk of something that really is a disgrace... we should talk about Down LGFA club championships. 3 graded championships in senior, intermediate and junior that also split into an A/B/C for losing teams. Is this a go games model of some sort where everyone gets a final or do the ladies teams actually be happy to play in a Senior B or Junior C final by default? At Adult level? Madness... do they make money at the gates for all these finals?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 04, 2023, 11:20:58 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 04, 2023, 01:41:51 PMMeenagh is an excellent choice, but our current retinue now matches McGeeney's background team.GAA clubs and county boards are paying out vast amounts to coaches who pocket more money than the average Joe Soap does in a working week.
We are grateful to the kind benefactors in the county who contribute a lot of money to our county teams. However, wouldn't setting up a centre of excellence be a better use of the funds? Our facilities lag well behind those in Derry, Tyrone, and Louth.
We will get a few days in Croker if we achieve a quick victory, but we are not planning for the future, and we wonder why our youth teams perform so poorly. Facilities are a major factor in this, and it would be fantastic if we had a headquarters to bring everything together.
We are all breaking the main ethos of the GAA and if we do not pull the reigns in then I wouldn't like to see our association in 30 years. And I understand the horse has bolted but we need some sort of reset. As custodians of this great organisation, we need to take our heads of the sand and plan for the future and not quick fixes.

You'll maybe head to the launch of the 23-26 Strategic Plan and hear a bit more about what you have brought up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 05, 2023, 08:18:51 AM
Any word of a change to the Minor management team. Surely they won't get another year. They were destroyed in every single game this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 05, 2023, 09:39:19 PM
Interesting referee choice for the senior final - thought my club comrade would have got it but Paul is very experienced and will be well fit to handle the environment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 06, 2023, 12:22:18 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on October 05, 2023, 08:18:51 AMAny word of a change to the Minor management team. Surely they won't get another year. They were destroyed in every single game this year.

Always interesting to hear this point of view. What work has been going on at club level to improve these players? After all, that is where they spend 80% of their time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 06, 2023, 07:11:47 AM
Thats also an interesting question supersub. Appears that if they are successful like good minor teams in the past then the Management & Co Board did a great job, if they lose then its 'what are the clubs doing'? Im not here to slate the management in any way as any group of men over a team only do their best I just hope last years results are a one off or we are in further trouble down the line
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 06, 2023, 08:29:32 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 06, 2023, 12:22:18 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on October 05, 2023, 08:18:51 AMAny word of a change to the Minor management team. Surely they won't get another year. They were destroyed in every single game this year.

Always interesting to hear this point of view. What work has been going on at club level to improve these players? After all, that is where they spend 80% of their time.

The 2 u20 teams that won ulster titles were failed at minor level also by poor management teams. Its glaring what the issue is. Yes the clubs have these players as do the schools for a longer time than the minor management but so do the Down development.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on October 06, 2023, 11:10:24 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on October 06, 2023, 08:29:32 AM
Quote from: supersub on October 06, 2023, 12:22:18 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on October 05, 2023, 08:18:51 AMAny word of a change to the Minor management team. Surely they won't get another year. They were destroyed in every single game this year.

Always interesting to hear this point of view. What work has been going on at club level to improve these players? After all, that is where they spend 80% of their time.

The 2 u20 teams that won ulster titles were failed at minor level also by poor management teams. Its glaring what the issue is. Yes the clubs have these players as do the schools for a longer time than the minor management but so do the Down development.

u17s vs u20s isn't an exact comparison.

u20s a wider age grade - the 1st u20 had 3 starters that were not available at u17 because they were u15 at that stage.

Also I believe the 1st u20 Ulster team had no minor u17 year as they fell into the age change year from u18 to u17 at minor so missed that grade. If that is correct then there is no real comparison to judge that team/management on.

Then the 2nd team while they undoubtedly underachieved at minor were in the Covid situation and I know from chatting to a few of the lads at the time that they found it very difficult with all the restrictions and if you remember it was very doubtful even up to very close to the match whether the competition would be played - and even if it got started it was doubtful if it would be finished - was very hard to stay motivated for young lads in that situation.

So while there is no doubt that the u20 management did better, the circumstances they had were not the same as the u17 in the same age group to be fair to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 06, 2023, 06:42:34 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 05, 2023, 09:39:19 PMInteresting referee choice for the senior final - thought my club comrade would have got it but Paul is very experienced and will be well fit to handle the environment.
Good choice; a great ref
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: terrifictommy on October 06, 2023, 08:09:08 PM
I think we are unduly harsh on the referee panel, there's a couple I think would do the job. But Paul is the top in the county so has to be first choice, it would be like having your quarterback on the bench at the Superbowl if he wasn't there.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 07, 2023, 12:34:05 AM
All to play for heading into the final round of the Junior Championship tomorrow.

Think any team can still qualify for the final?

I believe Kilclief are guaranteed a final spot?

They've shown to be a good team this championship. Managed to hold off a massive comeback from East Belfast in the first round, before staging their own massive comeback against Ballyvarley.
Castlewellen will probably be their toughest challenge, but there's no reason they shouldn't back themselves. They have a great ability to score from anywhere on the field, and their backs seem to be able to hold their own. Perhaps a bit vulnerable when it comes to conceding goals, but Castlewellen haven't seemed like a team that can score goals- this championship they failed to score a goal against East Belfast and only scored one through a penalty against Ballyvarley. Kilclief seemed like they'd be well fit to mix it with Clonduff, CPN, and Ballela in the Intermediate; playing Division One hurling clearly has done them well.

Castlewellen suddenly find themselves in a very dangerous situation. Did they believe their own hype too much? This is not a game you want to have your back against the wall. From what I hear, East Belfast really rattled Castlewellen. Here Jason Croskery is in good nick atm, and no doubt the Town will want to be making amends to being on the wrong end of the shock of the championship. Some decent players the likes of Cairns, McCabe, etc., and they seem to move well as a team.
They could very well catch Kilclief and book their place in the final, and it would be foolish to write them off after one loss. Either way, will be a great game.

East Belfast are sixty minutes away from reaching their first men's final and making history. I'm sure they're absolutely buzzing after getting the win over a fancied Castlewellen side. A win should be enough to get them to the final?  They really seem to have got going this year. Seem vastly improved from last season. Not looking too deeply into one win, but they had a decent league and their defeats seem to be less of a hammering nature. They'll not fear Ballyvarley, they've beaten them once this year in the league, and will take great confidence from their win in the last round.

Ballyvarley have had a dreadful championship in the grand scheme of things, but they can still reach a final. Think they have to beat East Belfast by about 20 odd points to reach it, though. Not an ideal situation to be in. However, they have forwards who are happy to go goal hunting- Danny Magee in particular is a big goal threat.
All the same, it's a big ask, and they'll be without Liam Conlan, so could be well exposed in the back like.
Much like East Belfast, they've improved a lot this season, but they seem to be running out of steam whilst East Belfast seem to be riding a wave at the minute. Again, you never do know when it comes do or die time. They beat East Belfast well in the league, but hard to imagine they'll have enough to beat them by enough to reach a final. Again, I said it would be hard to see East Belfast finding a way to overcome Castlewellen, and look how that turned out. 
I'm told told Ballyvarley have an ex-East Belfast man in the ranks. Used to hearing of lads transferring in to East Belfast at this point, not too often to see it going the other way.

Worth pointing out, the game being played in Ballela is probably the best possible outcome Ballyvarley could have hoped for. If I'm not wrong, they're amalgamated with Ballela the entire way up to senior? Lads will be very comfortable there.

Very hard to call this week. Great viewing for the neutral.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Saffrongael on October 08, 2023, 07:28:21 PM
That looked a bad enough row between Ballycran & Laotrim in the hurling, supporters over the fence and into the middle of it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 08, 2023, 07:38:34 PM
Kilcoos fault ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 08, 2023, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 08, 2023, 07:28:21 PMThat looked a bad enough row between Ballycran & Laotrim in the hurling, supporters over the fence and into the middle of it

I see Liatroim posted on social media that the game was ruined by the ref. Any neutrals see the game and know what that is about?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 08, 2023, 10:08:16 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 08, 2023, 07:28:21 PMThat looked a bad enough row between Ballycran & Laotrim in the hurling, supporters over the fence and into the middle of it

Them Hurling folks, can take them nowhere - Wouldn't get that at the football 👀
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 09, 2023, 08:35:38 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 08, 2023, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 08, 2023, 07:28:21 PMThat looked a bad enough row between Ballycran & Laotrim in the hurling, supporters over the fence and into the middle of it

I see Liatroim posted on social media that the game was ruined by the ref. Any neutrals see the game and know what that is about?

Wasn't at it but not surprised as I'd predicted something to happen during the week.  ;)

Liatroim were leading pretty well right into injury time when Ballycran scored two very late goals to win it by two points, it would have been a massive shock for Liatroim to win this one but from all accounts a few decisions didn't go their way at the end or as is the case not given to be more precise.

We'll be very interested in how this pans out considering our U15's along with Carryduff got put out of the U15 championship after our match was abandoned for absolutely next to nothing, two young lads rolling around on the ground, with a few other's pushing and shoving. Thing was over in less than 30 seconds.

Easy making an example of a bunch of kids, but lacking fortitude when it comes to the bigger teams!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 09, 2023, 08:47:40 AM
Despite emotions after a big game, I was shocked to see a club like Liatroim blame a ref on social media. I would have thought by now that some of their members would have it deleted. Who would be a ref?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: old timers on October 09, 2023, 11:50:23 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 09, 2023, 08:47:40 AMDespite emotions after a big game, I was shocked to see a club like Liatroim blame a ref on social media. I would have thought by now that some of their members would have it deleted. Who would be a ref?

I watched the same ref many times over the last few years and unfortunately he is always the same  whether that be kids feile matches or intermediate in Antrim and on this occasion down senior. fair play to him as who would be a ref but im not one bit surprised to hear this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 09, 2023, 12:00:46 PM
Liatroim blaming the ref, Dunloy footballers blaming the ref and Clann Eireann in Armagh blaming the ref.

It is always the ref's fault.

The defending from Liatroim for that last goal was u10 stuff. Two men were left free on the far side, Is that the ref's fault?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ardstick on October 09, 2023, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2023, 08:35:38 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 08, 2023, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 08, 2023, 07:28:21 PMThat looked a bad enough row between Ballycran & Laotrim in the hurling, supporters over the fence and into the middle of it

I see Liatroim posted on social media that the game was ruined by the ref. Any neutrals see the game and know what that is about?

Wasn't at it but not surprised as I'd predicted something to happen during the week.  ;)

Liatroim were leading pretty well right into injury time when Ballycran scored two very late goals to win it by two points, it would have been a massive shock for Liatroim to win this one but from all accounts a few decisions didn't go their way at the end or as is the case not given to be more precise.

We'll be very interested in how this pans out considering our U15's along with Carryduff got put out of the U15 championship after our match was abandoned for absolutely next to nothing, two young lads rolling around on the ground, with a few other's pushing and shoving. Thing was over in less than 30 seconds.

Easy making an example of a bunch of kids, but lacking fortitude when it comes to the bigger teams!

First they stole the players then they went after the eggs.

For the integrity of the competition a Ballycran win was essential. Over a quarter of the Liatroim team shouldnt even be playing for them. (How this was allowed to happen the County Board has a lot to answer) The managers sons are quality players and should be with their own club in Belfast, McCusker should be with his own club, instead of glory hunting, is more suited to intermediate level anyway.

Imagine being a Liatroim player born and bred and then these outsiders coming in and taking your place, and then to stand back and be treated like an idiot. Pathetic stuff.

Having watched a lot of Ports this year was disappointed with their performance yesterday but still fancy them to get over the line in the final.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: lfdown2 on October 09, 2023, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: Ardstick on October 09, 2023, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2023, 08:35:38 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 08, 2023, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 08, 2023, 07:28:21 PMThat looked a bad enough row between Ballycran & Laotrim in the hurling, supporters over the fence and into the middle of it

I see Liatroim posted on social media that the game was ruined by the ref. Any neutrals see the game and know what that is about?

Wasn't at it but not surprised as I'd predicted something to happen during the week.  ;)

Liatroim were leading pretty well right into injury time when Ballycran scored two very late goals to win it by two points, it would have been a massive shock for Liatroim to win this one but from all accounts a few decisions didn't go their way at the end or as is the case not given to be more precise.

We'll be very interested in how this pans out considering our U15's along with Carryduff got put out of the U15 championship after our match was abandoned for absolutely next to nothing, two young lads rolling around on the ground, with a few other's pushing and shoving. Thing was over in less than 30 seconds.

Easy making an example of a bunch of kids, but lacking fortitude when it comes to the bigger teams!

First they stole the players then they went after the eggs.

For the integrity of the competition a Ballycran win was essential. Over a quarter of the Liatroim team shouldnt even be playing for them. (How this was allowed to happen the County Board has a lot to answer) The managers sons are quality players and should be with their own club in Belfast, McCusker should be with his own club, instead of glory hunting, is more suited to intermediate level anyway.

Imagine being a Liatroim player born and bred and then these outsiders coming in and taking your place, and then to stand back and be treated like an idiot. Pathetic stuff.

Having watched a lot of Ports this year was disappointed with their performance yesterday but still fancy them to get over the line in the final.



My overarching feeling as a Fontenoy over the weekend is immense pride, we were moments away from having 3 codes in adult finals over the coming weekends. The lads hurled brilliantly yesterday and deserved to come away with the result, however that wasn't to be, there is no doubt that questionable decisions put paid to that, however those are to be expected when you head over the water. The positive thing from a east/south down perspective is that the seeds are been sown at underage to develop hurling which can only benefit the county as a whole, whatever the hurling clubs in the ards think. On the previous post, I would have my own personal thoughts on the personnel, however from a club perspective I would argue that any success (relatively speaking, that would be contesting a senior final for us) at adult level can only breed interest at the underage levels, the reality is that the majority of that squad are Liatroim born and bred and the kids along the line yesterday see them at the field every week and as such will wish to emulate that success if/when it can be achieved.

We head in to this week with an intermediate football final and a senior camogie final to look forward to, and a pitch that is hiving every night of the week, so transfers aside I'm content we are heading in the right direction.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 09, 2023, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 09, 2023, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: Ardstick on October 09, 2023, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2023, 08:35:38 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 08, 2023, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 08, 2023, 07:28:21 PMThat looked a bad enough row between Ballycran & Laotrim in the hurling, supporters over the fence and into the middle of it

I see Liatroim posted on social media that the game was ruined by the ref. Any neutrals see the game and know what that is about?

Wasn't at it but not surprised as I'd predicted something to happen during the week.  ;)

Liatroim were leading pretty well right into injury time when Ballycran scored two very late goals to win it by two points, it would have been a massive shock for Liatroim to win this one but from all accounts a few decisions didn't go their way at the end or as is the case not given to be more precise.

We'll be very interested in how this pans out considering our U15's along with Carryduff got put out of the U15 championship after our match was abandoned for absolutely next to nothing, two young lads rolling around on the ground, with a few other's pushing and shoving. Thing was over in less than 30 seconds.

Easy making an example of a bunch of kids, but lacking fortitude when it comes to the bigger teams!

First they stole the players then they went after the eggs.

For the integrity of the competition a Ballycran win was essential. Over a quarter of the Liatroim team shouldnt even be playing for them. (How this was allowed to happen the County Board has a lot to answer) The managers sons are quality players and should be with their own club in Belfast, McCusker should be with his own club, instead of glory hunting, is more suited to intermediate level anyway.

Imagine being a Liatroim player born and bred and then these outsiders coming in and taking your place, and then to stand back and be treated like an idiot. Pathetic stuff.

Having watched a lot of Ports this year was disappointed with their performance yesterday but still fancy them to get over the line in the final.



My overarching feeling as a Fontenoy over the weekend is immense pride, we were moments away from having 3 codes in adult finals over the coming weekends. The lads hurled brilliantly yesterday and deserved to come away with the result, however that wasn't to be, there is no doubt that questionable decisions put paid to that, however those are to be expected when you head over the water. The positive thing from a east/south down perspective is that the seeds are been sown at underage to develop hurling which can only benefit the county as a whole, whatever the hurling clubs in the ards think. On the previous post, I would have my own personal thoughts on the personnel, however from a club perspective I would argue that any success (relatively speaking, that would be contesting a senior final for us) at adult level can only breed interest at the underage levels, the reality is that the majority of that squad are Liatroim born and bred and the kids along the line yesterday see them at the field every week and as such will wish to emulate that success if/when it can be achieved.

We head in to this week with an intermediate football final and a senior camogie final to look forward to, and a pitch that is hiving every night of the week, so transfers aside I'm content we are heading in the right direction.



I can't speak for our newest member to the forum but I've been on record that the spread of underage hurling championships outside the Ards is good for hurling and a wake up call for the Ards clubs to raise their game and will benefit Down on the whole.
Bredagh are U17 champions, Castlewellan were defaulted the U15 championship with only ourselves from the Ards competing at the A level and Liatroim won the U13 cup competition relatively easily.

I did highlight the flexibility within that area where there's Liatroim lads sanctioned to play for Castlewellan at U15 yet Castlewellan had their own players standing along the line, ditto Liatroim U13's with lads from Castlewellan, Ballela on the field and Liatroim lads standing along the line. I wonder if the short sightedness of winning underage competitions stifles development within the club over the longer term.

It is heartening to go to the primary school blitzes and see teams from all over Down there, Mourne, Warrenpoint, Newry, East Belfast as well as the traditional clubs you'd see at all these types of events.
Long may it continue.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ardstick on October 09, 2023, 05:36:56 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2023, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 09, 2023, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: Ardstick on October 09, 2023, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2023, 08:35:38 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 08, 2023, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 08, 2023, 07:28:21 PMThat looked a bad enough row between Ballycran & Laotrim in the hurling, supporters over the fence and into the middle of it

I see Liatroim posted on social media that the game was ruined by the ref. Any neutrals see the game and know what that is about?

Wasn't at it but not surprised as I'd predicted something to happen during the week.  ;)

Liatroim were leading pretty well right into injury time when Ballycran scored two very late goals to win it by two points, it would have been a massive shock for Liatroim to win this one but from all accounts a few decisions didn't go their way at the end or as is the case not given to be more precise.

We'll be very interested in how this pans out considering our U15's along with Carryduff got put out of the U15 championship after our match was abandoned for absolutely next to nothing, two young lads rolling around on the ground, with a few other's pushing and shoving. Thing was over in less than 30 seconds.

Easy making an example of a bunch of kids, but lacking fortitude when it comes to the bigger teams!

First they stole the players then they went after the eggs.

For the integrity of the competition a Ballycran win was essential. Over a quarter of the Liatroim team shouldnt even be playing for them. (How this was allowed to happen the County Board has a lot to answer) The managers sons are quality players and should be with their own club in Belfast, McCusker should be with his own club, instead of glory hunting, is more suited to intermediate level anyway.

Imagine being a Liatroim player born and bred and then these outsiders coming in and taking your place, and then to stand back and be treated like an idiot. Pathetic stuff.

Having watched a lot of Ports this year was disappointed with their performance yesterday but still fancy them to get over the line in the final.



My overarching feeling as a Fontenoy over the weekend is immense pride, we were moments away from having 3 codes in adult finals over the coming weekends. The lads hurled brilliantly yesterday and deserved to come away with the result, however that wasn't to be, there is no doubt that questionable decisions put paid to that, however those are to be expected when you head over the water. The positive thing from a east/south down perspective is that the seeds are been sown at underage to develop hurling which can only benefit the county as a whole, whatever the hurling clubs in the ards think. On the previous post, I would have my own personal thoughts on the personnel, however from a club perspective I would argue that any success (relatively speaking, that would be contesting a senior final for us) at adult level can only breed interest at the underage levels, the reality is that the majority of that squad are Liatroim born and bred and the kids along the line yesterday see them at the field every week and as such will wish to emulate that success if/when it can be achieved.

We head in to this week with an intermediate football final and a senior camogie final to look forward to, and a pitch that is hiving every night of the week, so transfers aside I'm content we are heading in the right direction.



I can't speak for our newest member to the forum but I've been on record that the spread of underage hurling championships outside the Ards is good for hurling and a wake up call for the Ards clubs to raise their game and will benefit Down on the whole.
Bredagh are U17 champions, Castlewellan were defaulted the U15 championship with only ourselves from the Ards competing at the A level and Liatroim won the U13 cup competition relatively easily.

I did highlight the flexibility within that area where there's Liatroim lads sanctioned to play for Castlewellan at U15 yet Castlewellan had their own players standing along the line, ditto Liatroim U13's with lads from Castlewellan, Ballela on the field and Liatroim lads standing along the line. I wonder if the short sightedness of winning underage competitions stifles development within the club over the longer term.

It is heartening to go to the primary school blitzes and see teams from all over Down there, Mourne, Warrenpoint, Newry, East Belfast as well as the traditional clubs you'd see at all these types of events.
Long may it continue.


Think your both missing the main point here - of course seeing other teams excel at underage in Down is brilliant, but that's not the issue. There are no issues with amalgamated underage teams, when Senior you just go play for "your" club.

Liatroim have behaved like a premier league team dipping into the markets to get the best players. What's stopping the 3 ards teams next year going fishing around Belfast for a few players to improve their team. ( Wouldn't and shouldn't happen)

How would Liatroim react if Pearse Og or someone similar decided to leave them and go join Kilcoo for a chance at a Senior Championship. Sounds ridiculous I know but that's what has happened here.

The outsiders should go back to their own clubs, Liatroim have a great team without these transfers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walt Jabsco on October 09, 2023, 07:27:45 PM
Liatroim have every right to feel aggrieved in the way that they were disrespected by the County Board and the media pundits who had them written off before the match. The CB appointed an outside referee for the other semi final thinking that it would be the tougher of the two semis. But was it? In the interests of the integrity of the competition that Ardstick is so worried about both semis should have had outside referees appointed. It also raises the question are there no other referees in Down capable of officiating at this level that don't have skin in the game? If not why not? Ask any Ballycran person involved with the team did they welcome yesterdays refereeing appointment, I think the number that did you could fit them all into a phone box! The Ards teams are not whiter than white in regards to transfers and outsiders playing for them and should be playing for their "own" club - McAllister, Sheehan & Prenter. You could make a case for Prenter all right with RGU not having a hurling team. So how do some of the Ballycran players feel about the two outsiders taking their positions, you can't just pin that scenario on just happening in Liatroim, it is not unique to there. I sense a bit of fear in the Ards that there is a threat to their dominance of the SHC so is it a case of wanting those players to return to where they come from and so dilute the threat. As JC has pointed out on many occasions there will be no underage trophy residing in the Ards for another year but I have no doubt that will change sometime soon.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 09, 2023, 07:54:57 PM
Quote from: Ardstick on October 09, 2023, 05:36:56 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2023, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 09, 2023, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: Ardstick on October 09, 2023, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2023, 08:35:38 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 08, 2023, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 08, 2023, 07:28:21 PMThat looked a bad enough row between Ballycran & Laotrim in the hurling, supporters over the fence and into the middle of it

I see Liatroim posted on social media that the game was ruined by the ref. Any neutrals see the game and know what that is about?

Wasn't at it but not surprised as I'd predicted something to happen during the week.  ;)

Liatroim were leading pretty well right into injury time when Ballycran scored two very late goals to win it by two points, it would have been a massive shock for Liatroim to win this one but from all accounts a few decisions didn't go their way at the end or as is the case not given to be more precise.

We'll be very interested in how this pans out considering our U15's along with Carryduff got put out of the U15 championship after our match was abandoned for absolutely next to nothing, two young lads rolling around on the ground, with a few other's pushing and shoving. Thing was over in less than 30 seconds.

Easy making an example of a bunch of kids, but lacking fortitude when it comes to the bigger teams!

First they stole the players then they went after the eggs.

For the integrity of the competition a Ballycran win was essential. Over a quarter of the Liatroim team shouldnt even be playing for them. (How this was allowed to happen the County Board has a lot to answer) The managers sons are quality players and should be with their own club in Belfast, McCusker should be with his own club, instead of glory hunting, is more suited to intermediate level anyway.

Imagine being a Liatroim player born and bred and then these outsiders coming in and taking your place, and then to stand back and be treated like an idiot. Pathetic stuff.

Having watched a lot of Ports this year was disappointed with their performance yesterday but still fancy them to get over the line in the final.



My overarching feeling as a Fontenoy over the weekend is immense pride, we were moments away from having 3 codes in adult finals over the coming weekends. The lads hurled brilliantly yesterday and deserved to come away with the result, however that wasn't to be, there is no doubt that questionable decisions put paid to that, however those are to be expected when you head over the water. The positive thing from a east/south down perspective is that the seeds are been sown at underage to develop hurling which can only benefit the county as a whole, whatever the hurling clubs in the ards think. On the previous post, I would have my own personal thoughts on the personnel, however from a club perspective I would argue that any success (relatively speaking, that would be contesting a senior final for us) at adult level can only breed interest at the underage levels, the reality is that the majority of that squad are Liatroim born and bred and the kids along the line yesterday see them at the field every week and as such will wish to emulate that success if/when it can be achieved.

We head in to this week with an intermediate football final and a senior camogie final to look forward to, and a pitch that is hiving every night of the week, so transfers aside I'm content we are heading in the right direction.



I can't speak for our newest member to the forum but I've been on record that the spread of underage hurling championships outside the Ards is good for hurling and a wake up call for the Ards clubs to raise their game and will benefit Down on the whole.
Bredagh are U17 champions, Castlewellan were defaulted the U15 championship with only ourselves from the Ards competing at the A level and Liatroim won the U13 cup competition relatively easily.

I did highlight the flexibility within that area where there's Liatroim lads sanctioned to play for Castlewellan at U15 yet Castlewellan had their own players standing along the line, ditto Liatroim U13's with lads from Castlewellan, Ballela on the field and Liatroim lads standing along the line. I wonder if the short sightedness of winning underage competitions stifles development within the club over the longer term.

It is heartening to go to the primary school blitzes and see teams from all over Down there, Mourne, Warrenpoint, Newry, East Belfast as well as the traditional clubs you'd see at all these types of events.
Long may it continue.


Think your both missing the main point here - of course seeing other teams excel at underage in Down is brilliant, but that's not the issue. There are no issues with amalgamated underage teams, when Senior you just go play for "your" club.

Liatroim have behaved like a premier league team dipping into the markets to get the best players. What's stopping the 3 ards teams next year going fishing around Belfast for a few players to improve their team. ( Wouldn't and shouldn't happen)

How would Liatroim react if Pearse Og or someone similar decided to leave them and go join Kilcoo for a chance at a Senior Championship. Sounds ridiculous I know but that's what has happened here.

The outsiders should go back to their own clubs, Liatroim have a great team without these transfers.
Pearse og wouldn't get on the Kilcoo team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 09, 2023, 08:35:26 PM
Not going to join the anti Kilcoo support group, but yesterdays P reserve final where a kilcoo player and current part of Senior Management bit a young Burren player and the Down website showing a video of a Burren goal that ends with a kilcoo player striking out doesn't exactly help their case as always the victim and being targeted
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 09, 2023, 08:57:57 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on October 09, 2023, 08:35:26 PMNot going to join the anti Kilcoo support group, but yesterdays P reserve final where a kilcoo player and current part of Senior Management bit a young Burren player and the Down website showing a video of a Burren goal that ends with a kilcoo player striking out doesn't exactly help their case as always the victim and being targeted
Well done you just joined the anti Kilcoo support group feel free to bash them at every opportunity
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 09, 2023, 09:07:10 PM
I think I will stick to only mentioning things I see myself same as with any other team/incident but thanks for the invite
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 09, 2023, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on October 09, 2023, 09:07:10 PMI think I will stick to only mentioning things I see myself same as with any other team/incident but thanks for the invite
Not good enough your membership for the anti Kilcoo support group has been terminated
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ardstick on October 09, 2023, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on October 09, 2023, 07:27:45 PMLiatroim have every right to feel aggrieved in the way that they were disrespected by the County Board and the media pundits who had them written off before the match. The CB appointed an outside referee for the other semi final thinking that it would be the tougher of the two semis. But was it? In the interests of the integrity of the competition that Ardstick is so worried about both semis should have had outside referees appointed. It also raises the question are there no other referees in Down capable of officiating at this level that don't have skin in the game? If not why not? Ask any Ballycran person involved with the team did they welcome yesterdays refereeing appointment, I think the number that did you could fit them all into a phone box! The Ards teams are not whiter than white in regards to transfers and outsiders playing for them and should be playing for their "own" club - McAllister, Sheehan & Prenter. You could make a case for Prenter all right with RGU not having a hurling team. So how do some of the Ballycran players feel about the two outsiders taking their positions, you can't just pin that scenario on just happening in Liatroim, it is not unique to there. I sense a bit of fear in the Ards that there is a threat to their dominance of the SHC so is it a case of wanting those players to return to where they come from and so dilute the threat. As JC has pointed out on many occasions there will be no underage trophy residing in the Ards for another year but I have no doubt that will change sometime soon. 

Those Cran players live and are settled in the area, so that's a weak argument. Would love to know the address of the Murphy's in Liatroim and does McCusker not live beside Ballela pitch.

Look all I'm saying is instead of seeking glory hunters we need to keep working on developing players within our clubs instead of looking for a quick fix solution to winning. Taking players away to the detriment of their own clubs Lagos a real lack of class and morals.

With regards the reffing I'm sure if you talked to Ballycran supporters they would tell you all the frees that were missed for them, that's the nature of the game, ref will make mistakes just like the players on the field.

Might also be an idea to cut the Senior Championship to 5 teams, play each other once, top goes into final 2v3 in semi just to keep the quality and standard higher but that's for another day.

Good luck to Liatroim in their finals a win against Rostrevor would be an almighty victory for the parish.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: old timers on October 09, 2023, 10:56:16 PM
Quote from: Ardstick on October 09, 2023, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on October 09, 2023, 07:27:45 PMLiatroim have every right to feel aggrieved in the way that they were disrespected by the County Board and the media pundits who had them written off before the match. The CB appointed an outside referee for the other semi final thinking that it would be the tougher of the two semis. But was it? In the interests of the integrity of the competition that Ardstick is so worried about both semis should have had outside referees appointed. It also raises the question are there no other referees in Down capable of officiating at this level that don't have skin in the game? If not why not? Ask any Ballycran person involved with the team did they welcome yesterdays refereeing appointment, I think the number that did you could fit them all into a phone box! The Ards teams are not whiter than white in regards to transfers and outsiders playing for them and should be playing for their "own" club - McAllister, Sheehan & Prenter. You could make a case for Prenter all right with RGU not having a hurling team. So how do some of the Ballycran players feel about the two outsiders taking their positions, you can't just pin that scenario on just happening in Liatroim, it is not unique to there. I sense a bit of fear in the Ards that there is a threat to their dominance of the SHC so is it a case of wanting those players to return to where they come from and so dilute the threat. As JC has pointed out on many occasions there will be no underage trophy residing in the Ards for another year but I have no doubt that will change sometime soon. 

Those Cran players live and are settled in the area, so that's a weak argument. Would love to know the address of the Murphy's in Liatroim and does McCusker not live beside Ballela pitch.

Look all I'm saying is instead of seeking glory hunters we need to keep working on developing players within our clubs instead of looking for a quick fix solution to winning. Taking players away to the detriment of their own clubs Lagos a real lack of class and morals.

With regards the reffing I'm sure if you talked to Ballycran supporters they would tell you all the frees that were missed for them, that's the nature of the game, ref will make mistakes just like the players on the field.

Might also be an idea to cut the Senior Championship to 5 teams, play each other once, top goes into final 2v3 in semi just to keep the quality and standard higher but that's for another day.

Good luck to Liatroim in their finals a win against Rostrevor would be an almighty victory for the parish.

Really newbie ?  bit of back tracking here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ardstick on October 10, 2023, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: old timers on October 09, 2023, 10:56:16 PM
Quote from: Ardstick on October 09, 2023, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on October 09, 2023, 07:27:45 PMLiatroim have every right to feel aggrieved in the way that they were disrespected by the County Board and the media pundits who had them written off before the match. The CB appointed an outside referee for the other semi final thinking that it would be the tougher of the two semis. But was it? In the interests of the integrity of the competition that Ardstick is so worried about both semis should have had outside referees appointed. It also raises the question are there no other referees in Down capable of officiating at this level that don't have skin in the game? If not why not? Ask any Ballycran person involved with the team did they welcome yesterdays refereeing appointment, I think the number that did you could fit them all into a phone box! The Ards teams are not whiter than white in regards to transfers and outsiders playing for them and should be playing for their "own" club - McAllister, Sheehan & Prenter. You could make a case for Prenter all right with RGU not having a hurling team. So how do some of the Ballycran players feel about the two outsiders taking their positions, you can't just pin that scenario on just happening in Liatroim, it is not unique to there. I sense a bit of fear in the Ards that there is a threat to their dominance of the SHC so is it a case of wanting those players to return to where they come from and so dilute the threat. As JC has pointed out on many occasions there will be no underage trophy residing in the Ards for another year but I have no doubt that will change sometime soon. 

Those Cran players live and are settled in the area, so that's a weak argument. Would love to know the address of the Murphy's in Liatroim and does McCusker not live beside Ballela pitch.

Look all I'm saying is instead of seeking glory hunters we need to keep working on developing players within our clubs instead of looking for a quick fix solution to winning. Taking players away to the detriment of their own clubs Lagos a real lack of class and morals.

With regards the reffing I'm sure if you talked to Ballycran supporters they would tell you all the frees that were missed for them, that's the nature of the game, ref will make mistakes just like the players on the field.

Might also be an idea to cut the Senior Championship to 5 teams, play each other once, top goes into final 2v3 in semi just to keep the quality and standard higher but that's for another day.

Good luck to Liatroim in their finals a win against Rostrevor would be an almighty victory for the parish.

Really newbie ?  bit of back tracking here

Let's have the discussion surely Oldie, however there's a massive different between a legitimate transfer and a self serving transfer. Surely your not suggesting Sheenan should still be taking a 90 mile round trip to play for Shamrocks. Fair play to him for staying with them up to last year.

How did the Murphy's ever get a transfer?? Because their dad manages them??

CB need to have a watertight system to stop clubs exploiting the system. Otherwise let's just have open season and let clubs pick and chose who gets to play for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Jet2 on October 10, 2023, 10:48:46 AM
Someone send a supply of spuds to Kilcoo..players starving! They are turning into cannibals 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 10, 2023, 03:31:00 PM
Quote from: Ardstick on October 10, 2023, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: old timers on October 09, 2023, 10:56:16 PM
Quote from: Ardstick on October 09, 2023, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on October 09, 2023, 07:27:45 PMLiatroim have every right to feel aggrieved in the way that they were disrespected by the County Board and the media pundits who had them written off before the match. The CB appointed an outside referee for the other semi final thinking that it would be the tougher of the two semis. But was it? In the interests of the integrity of the competition that Ardstick is so worried about both semis should have had outside referees appointed. It also raises the question are there no other referees in Down capable of officiating at this level that don't have skin in the game? If not why not? Ask any Ballycran person involved with the team did they welcome yesterdays refereeing appointment, I think the number that did you could fit them all into a phone box! The Ards teams are not whiter than white in regards to transfers and outsiders playing for them and should be playing for their "own" club - McAllister, Sheehan & Prenter. You could make a case for Prenter all right with RGU not having a hurling team. So how do some of the Ballycran players feel about the two outsiders taking their positions, you can't just pin that scenario on just happening in Liatroim, it is not unique to there. I sense a bit of fear in the Ards that there is a threat to their dominance of the SHC so is it a case of wanting those players to return to where they come from and so dilute the threat. As JC has pointed out on many occasions there will be no underage trophy residing in the Ards for another year but I have no doubt that will change sometime soon. 

Those Cran players live and are settled in the area, so that's a weak argument. Would love to know the address of the Murphy's in Liatroim and does McCusker not live beside Ballela pitch.

Look all I'm saying is instead of seeking glory hunters we need to keep working on developing players within our clubs instead of looking for a quick fix solution to winning. Taking players away to the detriment of their own clubs Lagos a real lack of class and morals.

With regards the reffing I'm sure if you talked to Ballycran supporters they would tell you all the frees that were missed for them, that's the nature of the game, ref will make mistakes just like the players on the field.

Might also be an idea to cut the Senior Championship to 5 teams, play each other once, top goes into final 2v3 in semi just to keep the quality and standard higher but that's for another day.

Good luck to Liatroim in their finals a win against Rostrevor would be an almighty victory for the parish.

Really newbie ?  bit of back tracking here

Let's have the discussion surely Oldie, however there's a massive different between a legitimate transfer and a self serving transfer. Surely your not suggesting Sheenan should still be taking a 90 mile round trip to play for Shamrocks. Fair play to him for staying with them up to last year.

How did the Murphy's ever get a transfer?? Because their dad manages them??

CB need to have a watertight system to stop clubs exploiting the system. Otherwise let's just have open season and let clubs pick and chose who gets to play for them.

McCusker transferred from Balella to a football only club and is then sanctioned to play for Liatroim, all within the rules but a tad lacking in integrity....

Walt, whilst I think the CB were correct to appoint an outsider for our semifinal they really should have done the same for the other one considering the lad they chose is originally a Portaferry player and regularly gets Portaferry lads to umpire for him including one of the current Portaferry management team.
Perceptions are everything and you see comments on SM from Liatroim supporters saying that they get nothing from referees in the Ards and who am I to argue that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: old timers on October 10, 2023, 05:07:35 PM
Quote from: Ardstick on October 10, 2023, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: old timers on October 09, 2023, 10:56:16 PM
Quote from: Ardstick on October 09, 2023, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on October 09, 2023, 07:27:45 PMLiatroim have every right to feel aggrieved in the way that they were disrespected by the County Board and the media pundits who had them written off before the match. The CB appointed an outside referee for the other semi final thinking that it would be the tougher of the two semis. But was it? In the interests of the integrity of the competition that Ardstick is so worried about both semis should have had outside referees appointed. It also raises the question are there no other referees in Down capable of officiating at this level that don't have skin in the game? If not why not? Ask any Ballycran person involved with the team did they welcome yesterdays refereeing appointment, I think the number that did you could fit them all into a phone box! The Ards teams are not whiter than white in regards to transfers and outsiders playing for them and should be playing for their "own" club - McAllister, Sheehan & Prenter. You could make a case for Prenter all right with RGU not having a hurling team. So how do some of the Ballycran players feel about the two outsiders taking their positions, you can't just pin that scenario on just happening in Liatroim, it is not unique to there. I sense a bit of fear in the Ards that there is a threat to their dominance of the SHC so is it a case of wanting those players to return to where they come from and so dilute the threat. As JC has pointed out on many occasions there will be no underage trophy residing in the Ards for another year but I have no doubt that will change sometime soon. 

Those Cran players live and are settled in the area, so that's a weak argument. Would love to know the address of the Murphy's in Liatroim and does McCusker not live beside Ballela pitch.

Look all I'm saying is instead of seeking glory hunters we need to keep working on developing players within our clubs instead of looking for a quick fix solution to winning. Taking players away to the detriment of their own clubs Lagos a real lack of class and morals.

With regards the reffing I'm sure if you talked to Ballycran supporters they would tell you all the frees that were missed for them, that's the nature of the game, ref will make mistakes just like the players on the field.

Might also be an idea to cut the Senior Championship to 5 teams, play each other once, top goes into final 2v3 in semi just to keep the quality and standard higher but that's for another day.

Good luck to Liatroim in their finals a win against Rostrevor would be an almighty victory for the parish.

Really newbie ?  bit of back tracking here

Let's have the discussion surely Oldie, however there's a massive different between a legitimate transfer and a self serving transfer. Surely your not suggesting Sheenan should still be taking a 90 mile round trip to play for Shamrocks. Fair play to him for staying with them up to last year.

How did the Murphy's ever get a transfer?? Because their dad manages them??

CB need to have a watertight system to stop clubs exploiting the system. Otherwise let's just have open season and let clubs pick and chose who gets to play for them.

this oldie thinks there's a lot of bitterness there newbie?? - sad to see. welcome to down discussion and hopefully future posts will be positive - should there be anymore  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ardstick on October 10, 2023, 06:07:31 PM
Quote from: old timers on October 10, 2023, 05:07:35 PM
Quote from: Ardstick on October 10, 2023, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: old timers on October 09, 2023, 10:56:16 PM
Quote from: Ardstick on October 09, 2023, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on October 09, 2023, 07:27:45 PMLiatroim have every right to feel aggrieved in the way that they were disrespected by the County Board and the media pundits who had them written off before the match. The CB appointed an outside referee for the other semi final thinking that it would be the tougher of the two semis. But was it? In the interests of the integrity of the competition that Ardstick is so worried about both semis should have had outside referees appointed. It also raises the question are there no other referees in Down capable of officiating at this level that don't have skin in the game? If not why not? Ask any Ballycran person involved with the team did they welcome yesterdays refereeing appointment, I think the number that did you could fit them all into a phone box! The Ards teams are not whiter than white in regards to transfers and outsiders playing for them and should be playing for their "own" club - McAllister, Sheehan & Prenter. You could make a case for Prenter all right with RGU not having a hurling team. So how do some of the Ballycran players feel about the two outsiders taking their positions, you can't just pin that scenario on just happening in Liatroim, it is not unique to there. I sense a bit of fear in the Ards that there is a threat to their dominance of the SHC so is it a case of wanting those players to return to where they come from and so dilute the threat. As JC has pointed out on many occasions there will be no underage trophy residing in the Ards for another year but I have no doubt that will change sometime soon. 

Those Cran players live and are settled in the area, so that's a weak argument. Would love to know the address of the Murphy's in Liatroim and does McCusker not live beside Ballela pitch.

Look all I'm saying is instead of seeking glory hunters we need to keep working on developing players within our clubs instead of looking for a quick fix solution to winning. Taking players away to the detriment of their own clubs Lagos a real lack of class and morals.

With regards the reffing I'm sure if you talked to Ballycran supporters they would tell you all the frees that were missed for them, that's the nature of the game, ref will make mistakes just like the players on the field.

Might also be an idea to cut the Senior Championship to 5 teams, play each other once, top goes into final 2v3 in semi just to keep the quality and standard higher but that's for another day.

Good luck to Liatroim in their finals a win against Rostrevor would be an almighty victory for the parish.

Really newbie ?  bit of back tracking here

Let's have the discussion surely Oldie, however there's a massive different between a legitimate transfer and a self serving transfer. Surely your not suggesting Sheenan should still be taking a 90 mile round trip to play for Shamrocks. Fair play to him for staying with them up to last year.

How did the Murphy's ever get a transfer?? Because their dad manages them??

CB need to have a watertight system to stop clubs exploiting the system. Otherwise let's just have open season and let clubs pick and chose who gets to play for them.

this oldie thinks there's a lot of bitterness there newbie?? - sad to see. welcome to down discussion and hopefully future posts will be positive - should there be anymore  ;D


I notice you can't challenge any of the arguments there, which is fair enough as I take it you probably agree which is great to see, the more common sense about the better ;) I think it's pretty positive just wanting clubs competing on a level playing (Hurley)field. Looking forward to the final and hopefully the County winners can do us proud in Ulster. We are long overdue a good performance at that stage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Delgany 2nds on October 10, 2023, 06:20:59 PM
Quote from: Ardstick on October 10, 2023, 06:07:31 PM
Quote from: old timers on October 10, 2023, 05:07:35 PM
Quote from: Ardstick on October 10, 2023, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: old timers on October 09, 2023, 10:56:16 PM
Quote from: Ardstick on October 09, 2023, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on October 09, 2023, 07:27:45 PMLiatroim have every right to feel aggrieved in the way that they were disrespected by the County Board and the media pundits who had them written off before the match. The CB appointed an outside referee for the other semi final thinking that it would be the tougher of the two semis. But was it? In the interests of the integrity of the competition that Ardstick is so worried about both semis should have had outside referees appointed. It also raises the question are there no other referees in Down capable of officiating at this level that don't have skin in the game? If not why not? Ask any Ballycran person involved with the team did they welcome yesterdays refereeing appointment, I think the number that did you could fit them all into a phone box! The Ards teams are not whiter than white in regards to transfers and outsiders playing for them and should be playing for their "own" club - McAllister, Sheehan & Prenter. You could make a case for Prenter all right with RGU not having a hurling team. So how do some of the Ballycran players feel about the two outsiders taking their positions, you can't just pin that scenario on just happening in Liatroim, it is not unique to there. I sense a bit of fear in the Ards that there is a threat to their dominance of the SHC so is it a case of wanting those players to return to where they come from and so dilute the threat. As JC has pointed out on many occasions there will be no underage trophy residing in the Ards for another year but I have no doubt that will change sometime soon. 

Those Cran players live and are settled in the area, so that's a weak argument. Would love to know the address of the Murphy's in Liatroim and does McCusker not live beside Ballela pitch.

Look all I'm saying is instead of seeking glory hunters we need to keep working on developing players within our clubs instead of looking for a quick fix solution to winning. Taking players away to the detriment of their own clubs Lagos a real lack of class and morals.

With regards the reffing I'm sure if you talked to Ballycran supporters they would tell you all the frees that were missed for them, that's the nature of the game, ref will make mistakes just like the players on the field.

Might also be an idea to cut the Senior Championship to 5 teams, play each other once, top goes into final 2v3 in semi just to keep the quality and standard higher but that's for another day.

Good luck to Liatroim in their finals a win against Rostrevor would be an almighty victory for the parish.

Really newbie ?  bit of back tracking here

Let's have the discussion surely Oldie, however there's a massive different between a legitimate transfer and a self serving transfer. Surely your not suggesting Sheenan should still be taking a 90 mile round trip to play for Shamrocks. Fair play to him for staying with them up to last year.

How did the Murphy's ever get a transfer?? Because their dad manages them??

CB need to have a watertight system to stop clubs exploiting the system. Otherwise let's just have open season and let clubs pick and chose who gets to play for them.

this oldie thinks there's a lot of bitterness there newbie?? - sad to see. welcome to down discussion and hopefully future posts will be positive - should there be anymore  ;D


I notice you can't challenge any of the arguments there, which is fair enough as I take it you probably agree which is great to see, the more common sense about the better ;) I think it's pretty positive just wanting clubs competing on a level playing (Hurley)field. Looking forward to the final and hopefully the County winners can do us proud in Ulster. We are long overdue a good performance at that stage.
Inter County transfers are handy enough to put through.
Title: Re: Down GAA Championship 2023 Prediction Competition
Post by: ck on October 12, 2023, 09:25:51 AM
Watch for Kilcoo sledging, diving, feigning injury and manipulating the referee. It's what they do. No doubt Lacey will divert attention from their antics by saying they're being targeted.

Good luck to Burren. Hope Football wins.
Title: Re: Re: Down GAA Championship 2023 Prediction Competition
Post by: Walter Cronc on October 12, 2023, 09:30:32 AM
Murdock in Oz? Not exactly ideal prep to win your first champ in god knows how long!
Title: Re: Re: Down GAA Championship 2023 Prediction Competition
Post by: elk on October 12, 2023, 11:46:07 AM
Thought they won it 4 or 5 years ago
Title: Re: Re: Down GAA Championship 2023 Prediction Competition
Post by: downtothecore on October 12, 2023, 11:46:39 AM
Ck I dont think you see much of this on sunday. Burren and kilcoo have been disciplined in this years championship to date and have learned from past experiences. Both teams have some very good players and I expect this to be a really good game. I could make a case for both teams to win it. I wud expect kilcoo to grind a win out but Burren are very capable and it wouldn't surprise if they deliver a big performance and win it.
Title: Re: Re: Down GAA Championship 2023 Prediction Competition
Post by: Mourne Red on October 12, 2023, 12:18:26 PM
Let's keep this thread for prediction competition - Use the Down Football thread for talking about the game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 12, 2023, 01:43:01 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 09, 2023, 08:35:38 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 08, 2023, 09:15:04 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 08, 2023, 07:28:21 PMThat looked a bad enough row between Ballycran & Laotrim in the hurling, supporters over the fence and into the middle of it

I see Liatroim posted on social media that the game was ruined by the ref. Any neutrals see the game and know what that is about?

Wasn't at it but not surprised as I'd predicted something to happen during the week.  ;)

Liatroim were leading pretty well right into injury time when Ballycran scored two very late goals to win it by two points, it would have been a massive shock for Liatroim to win this one but from all accounts a few decisions didn't go their way at the end or as is the case not given to be more precise.

We'll be very interested in how this pans out considering our U15's along with Carryduff got put out of the U15 championship after our match was abandoned for absolutely next to nothing, two young lads rolling around on the ground, with a few other's pushing and shoving. Thing was over in less than 30 seconds.

Easy making an example of a bunch of kids, but lacking fortitude when it comes to the bigger teams!

Looks like I'm right, County Boards big push on discipline comes to a shuddering halt, no suspensions, just a weak fine for both teams and carry on regardless, nothing to see here, yet two U15 teams booted out of their championship for a bit of pushing and shoving..

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on October 12, 2023, 08:50:58 PM
New board not playing ball with "Merge Topics" function...keep the predictions competition thread free from comments please.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 12, 2023, 11:08:50 PM
Portaferry v Ballygalget seemed to be nothing to write home about. Ballygalget not bad by any stretch, but still missing something to compete with their neighbours. Sure this will change in the coming years. Seem to have a good drop at underage.

Not much to be said about ballycran v Liatroim other than what has been said. Would have loved to see Liatroim over the line. It will only help down hurling grow. Liatroim didn't do enough to get the win, but you have to feel for them. Definitely will feel hard done by. Can't blame the ref, but can understand Liatroim's frustrations.

In regards to the integrity of the Liatroim panel- I don't think it's fair to stay Liatroim went looking for these players and brought them in. As far as I know, McCusker wanted to transfer to them, not vice versa, and the same can be said about the Murphys? May be wrong there but that is the story as far as I know. Also worth pointing out Liatroim have their fair share of exports. Oisin McManus would have been a great aid. If he hadn't have transferred, he would surely be taking the spot of some young fella? This is simply how things have ended up.

The Ards clubs are no strangers to transfers. Plenty been outlined, most notably probably Paul Sheehan this year. Ayrton Griffin probably is a bigger point to raise? Did ballycran not seek him out? Would he not be under the kilclief catchment area? Griffin is absolutely free to choose what he wants to do. No different to the Murphys or McCusker. To try and tell lads where they belong isn't right.

Perhaps it's a south down thing, but clubs in south down are always going to pull fellas from other clubs, simply because they offer hurling. Ballela will always pull in lads from annaclone, shamrocks will always pull in fellas from ballyholand, Ballyvarley will always pull in fellas from Glenn. Clonduff will pull in boys from all over Ireland  :P

Such is the way of hurling in Down. If the game was broader spread, perhaps things would be different.

Liatroim needed to put the fear into Ballycran. Some people (and it is important to stress, some, not all) on the Ards think they are a step above and south down teams will never touch them. This is probably a vocal minority, as anyone I am friendly with on the Ards is 100%. However I was at a Liatroim game not so long ago, when someone shouted at Liatroim, "What would you know about hurling anyway?"

I am sure this not a common way of going on, but it is good to keep everyone on their toes. The more competition ballyxran have now, the better this will serve them in the Ulster Championship.

If we want Down hurling to be successful, we should want our champions to be competitive when they reach the ulster and all Ireland series. At the minute, our junior and senior clubs probably aren't (neither kilclief nor east Belfast will probably win ulster, and ballycran and Portaferry look to be a bit off Slaughtneil and cushendal/loughuile).

If we want hurling to thrive in down, we want to be competitive again. Last year Portaferry were swept away by Slaughtneil, and it's hard to see either them or ballycran winning ulster this year. More competitiveness is only good for Down.

We need to bring hurling out of the Ards. The Ards have played a massive role in keeping Down at a level above most of ulster, but if we are to become an team to challenge for an all Ireland, we need to be pulling quality players out of more than 3 clubs.

I understand the argument that Liatroim men should play for Liatroim, but down hurling is too complex for this to ever happening.

Fair play to Liatroim. They've done themselves proud this year. Hopefully they have a senior championship in them yet. That article in the Irish News last week on them was heartening. It would be great if every club adopted the mindset of Liatroim. We would be well in contention for a Joe McDonagh if that was the case.

Said there were kilcoo and longstone men lining out for the hurlers- who would that be? Bit of hurling in the past in kilcoo wasn't there? Would be great to see them back. Glad longstone have a path for the future in the shape of clann mhúrn.

Still fancy ballycran to win the final. Simply clicked better than Portaferry from what I've seen of them. Would like to see Sheehan get a senior championship, too. A real good team. Wanst too much between them and Portaferry. Will be a good game.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on October 13, 2023, 10:21:39 AM
2 Kilcoo stories this week, 2 standard acts from that shower.

1) Brannagan biting a burren player in reserve game
2) Demanding that CB remove P.F as referee on Sunday
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 13, 2023, 10:34:23 AM
The weekly lets hammer Kilcoo posts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on October 13, 2023, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 13, 2023, 10:21:39 AM2 Kilcoo stories this week, 2 standard acts from that shower.

1) Brannagan biting a burren player in reserve game
2) Demanding that CB remove P.F as referee on Sunday


On what basis are they demanding the change of referee? They have some arrogance to even suggest it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on October 13, 2023, 11:03:24 AM
Quote from: ck on October 13, 2023, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 13, 2023, 10:21:39 AM2 Kilcoo stories this week, 2 standard acts from that shower.

1) Brannagan biting a burren player in reserve game
2) Demanding that CB remove P.F as referee on Sunday


On what basis are they demanding the change of referee? They have some arrogance to even suggest it.

Burren were just as bad with some of the antics they were up to
Also if you knew exactly what the whole truth around Faloon then they have every right to object to his appointment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 13, 2023, 11:15:09 AM
Kilcoo have been great champions, but are letting themeslves down again. Paul Falloon is one of our best referees
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 13, 2023, 11:17:15 AM
Quote from: razor on October 13, 2023, 11:03:24 AM
Quote from: ck on October 13, 2023, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 13, 2023, 10:21:39 AM2 Kilcoo stories this week, 2 standard acts from that shower.

1) Brannagan biting a burren player in reserve game
2) Demanding that CB remove P.F as referee on Sunday


On what basis are they demanding the change of referee? They have some arrogance to even suggest it.

Burren were just as bad with some of the antics they were up to
Also if you knew exactly what the whole truth around Faloon then they have every right to object to his appointment.
What are you insinuating? What do you mean 'the whole truth around Faloon?'
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 13, 2023, 11:20:39 AM
Quote from: razor on October 13, 2023, 11:03:24 AM
Quote from: ck on October 13, 2023, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on October 13, 2023, 10:21:39 AM2 Kilcoo stories this week, 2 standard acts from that shower.

1) Brannagan biting a burren player in reserve game
2) Demanding that CB remove P.F as referee on Sunday


On what basis are they demanding the change of referee? They have some arrogance to even suggest it.

Burren were just as bad with some of the antics they were up to
Also if you knew exactly what the whole truth around Faloon then they have every right to object to his appointment.

What happened?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on October 13, 2023, 12:17:50 PM
Premier Reserve championship, injured Burren player attended to by 2 Kilcoo medics. What's the world coming to? Not a word of that on this forum.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 13, 2023, 12:35:12 PM
Thats good to hear Sandstorm, the way it should be! Was it the young lad that was bitten by a kilcoo player/senior Management member or a different Burren player?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 13, 2023, 01:29:58 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on October 13, 2023, 12:35:12 PMThats good to hear Sandstorm, the way it should be! Was it the young lad that was bitten by a kilcoo player/senior Management member or a different Burren player?
The Kilcoo player in question mustn't be to fussy on what he eats
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 13, 2023, 01:53:59 PM
Paul Faloon is an excellent referee and is a good selection to referee our showcase final. Full stop.
I have no idea if Kilcoo have objected to the appointment and I have no idea what these vague insinuations are.  But nobody should make any comment without accurate facts. So in absence of same, let us look forward to an epic battle between two great clubs and the two best teams in our county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 13, 2023, 07:34:19 PM
Stream for the junior final only loading up 30 seconds before the throw in. No information on teams or even 15 minutes of build up to talk through routes to the final. Absolute shambles. You can be sure there will be a full hour of coverage before the Kilcoo and Burren game and a good half hour or more before the intermediate
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 14, 2023, 07:42:35 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 13, 2023, 07:34:19 PMStream for the junior final only loading up 30 seconds before the throw in. No information on teams or even 15 minutes of build up to talk through routes to the final. Absolute shambles. You can be sure there will be a full hour of coverage before the Kilcoo and Burren game and a good half hour or more before the intermediate

Are you surprised? Given that the county board squeezed most of the JFC in to Saturday afternoons, which impacted smaller clubs due to player unavailability with work or soccer clashing with the games, there is clearly disdain towards the competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 6th sam on October 14, 2023, 08:53:46 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 14, 2023, 07:42:35 AM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 13, 2023, 07:34:19 PMStream for the junior final only loading up 30 seconds before the throw in. No information on teams or even 15 minutes of build up to talk through routes to the final. Absolute shambles. You can be sure there will be a full hour of coverage before the Kilcoo and Burren game and a good half hour or more before the intermediate

Are you surprised? Given that the county board squeezed most of the JFC in to Saturday afternoons, which impacted smaller clubs due to player unavailability with work or soccer clashing with the games, there is clearly disdain towards the competition.

Thought it was a great final last night. Quality in both teams . Hopefully  Drumaness will get a good run in Ulster. The Saturday games should be looked at, but the round robin format ensures JFC clubs are getting plenty of games which can only be good
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on October 14, 2023, 11:15:55 AM
Looks very likely that Down football final will be postponed on Sunday and rearranged for either 20/21 October. Kilcoo have went to Croke park with objections to the ref, now it transpires that whatever the outcome tomorrow morning, the county referees have took a stance of support and no-one will "stand in" as alternative which at this stage leaves rearranged game more likely, with discussions on a resolution to the saga early next week being organised.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on October 14, 2023, 11:21:08 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on October 14, 2023, 11:15:55 AMLooks very likely that Down football final will be postponed on Sunday and rearranged for either 20/21 October. Kilcoo have went to Croke park with objections to the ref, now it transpires that whatever the outcome tomorrow morning, the county referees have took a stance of support and no-one will "stand in" as alternative which at this stage leaves rearranged game more likely, with discussions on a resolution to the saga early next week being organised.

Bit of a mess that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on October 14, 2023, 11:40:42 AM
Hope TG4 have a good programme to replace it then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: LC on October 14, 2023, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on October 14, 2023, 11:15:55 AMLooks very likely that Down football final will be postponed on Sunday and rearranged for either 20/21 October. Kilcoo have went to Croke park with objections to the ref, now it transpires that whatever the outcome tomorrow morning, the county referees have took a stance of support and no-one will "stand in" as alternative which at this stage leaves rearranged game more likely, with discussions on a resolution to the saga early next week being organised.

They don't half know how to make friends them Kilcoo boys,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 14, 2023, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: LC on October 14, 2023, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on October 14, 2023, 11:15:55 AMLooks very likely that Down football final will be postponed on Sunday and rearranged for either 20/21 October. Kilcoo have went to Croke park with objections to the ref, now it transpires that whatever the outcome tomorrow morning, the county referees have took a stance of support and no-one will "stand in" as alternative which at this stage leaves rearranged game more likely, with discussions on a resolution to the saga early next week being organised.

They don't half know how to make friends them Kilcoo boys,,,,,,,,

Decision due to be made this afternoon
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 14, 2023, 12:17:06 PM
Seeing as Kilcoo FB is advertising the match for tomorrow and also the fact it's on TG4 I'd say if that's true that they refusing because of the ref theyve been told to wise up and play the game.

Jesus if every club objected to which ref was doing their game then half the games wouldn't be played.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 14, 2023, 12:30:32 PM
It will be a Disaster for all if this doesn't go ahead...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 14, 2023, 12:42:07 PM
All mind games. If they win they beat 16 men, lose and its his fault.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on October 14, 2023, 12:57:38 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on October 14, 2023, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: LC on October 14, 2023, 11:54:09 AM
Quote from: meatsy86 on October 14, 2023, 11:15:55 AMLooks very likely that Down football final will be postponed on Sunday and rearranged for either 20/21 October. Kilcoo have went to Croke park with objections to the ref, now it transpires that whatever the outcome tomorrow morning, the county referees have took a stance of support and no-one will "stand in" as alternative which at this stage leaves rearranged game more likely, with discussions on a resolution to the saga early next week being organised.

They don't half know how to make friends them Kilcoo boys,,,,,,,,

Decision due to be made this afternoon

Was hearing that the decision was this morning and they already lost it.

As mentioned they've taken to social media to advertise the game within the last hour and specified the referee within the post, not something they'd normally do with a post of that type.

With this behind us, I just hope now we get a very entertaining final, regardless of who wins.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 14, 2023, 02:01:59 PM
Mon Burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 14, 2023, 02:06:33 PM
Another master stroke by Kilcoo Mgt and committee with this ref saga. Further create the siege mentality that everyone hates us and it is Kilcoo against the world.  They had no option but to play the game. If clubs start refusing to play games due to choice of Ref then forget about it.  The game has lost all integrity. PF is the best ref in Down hence why he is in the top 24 refs in Ireland and takes charge of inter co games on a regular basis. Kilcoo have got to weaker refs in recent years.  PF will do it as honestly and fairly as possible and hopefully the best team wins.   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 14, 2023, 02:36:29 PM
Kilcoo lost the run on themselves.

I'm wondering who is carrying a knock... for really why would they fear Burren no matter who the ref is?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 14, 2023, 03:33:43 PM
Kilcoo will have been hoping for Rice again but for his injury this year. He's won them a good few championships over the years and can't hide his bias against Burren. If there's any neutral referee doing this game then Burren win by 4 or 5 pulling up. The last time this game was on TG4 it was men against boys. Burren will do the same tomorrow. Odhran MOTM and Burren by 6
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 15, 2023, 09:31:16 AM
Good luck to our men today in the final.

#UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on October 15, 2023, 10:03:06 AM
Is David Gough doing referee for this game now? What a mess.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 15, 2023, 10:18:27 AM
David Gough the man in the middle now, turning into bit of a circus.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on October 15, 2023, 10:38:24 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 15, 2023, 10:18:27 AMDavid Gough the man in the middle now, turning into bit of a circus.

Sad day for Down football that this has happened. One of the best in Ireland in our own county and not able to do the job because of a club. I hope Down referees remember this and stick together and when Kilcoo have a wee underage game next year the refuse to ref. Get Gough in! Disgraceful.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 15, 2023, 10:51:23 AM
There's an awful stench around what has happened here.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 15, 2023, 10:51:38 AM
See a Rostrevor player taking to social media to slag off the ref after last night's intermediate final.
Who'd be a referee?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 15, 2023, 10:54:26 AM
If word that David Gough has been drafted in is true, then its a disgrace and the rest of referees in Down ahould hand in their whistles. This comes down to a weak County Board who have fed into this shit for years. Allowing Kilcoo to dictate who referees their games. No previous sanctions on referees who clearly ignored disgraceful on field antics by Kilcoo but dished out soft frees for them. Lacey trying to give instructions to the refs a few weeks ago and now they handpicking them. Hopefully Gough has the balls to stop their bullshit today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 15, 2023, 10:54:36 AM
The Brian Clough rant to the Leeds team so relatable to this Kilcoo team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 15, 2023, 10:59:09 AM
What CB appoint P Faloon when they knew it would be controversial? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 15, 2023, 10:59:36 AM
A very sad day for Down GAA, hopefully this is Burren's time today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 15, 2023, 11:01:07 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 15, 2023, 10:59:09 AMWhat CB appoint P Faloon when they knew it would be controversial? 

Why would the appointment of a Top 24 tef fora county final be controversial when he has no affiliation to either team?? Or can you explain what Kilcoo issue is with him??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 15, 2023, 11:14:51 AM
This is bizarre and unprecedented.  However, very few people know the full story so before people pile on, remember there's enough pressure on players and officials on county final day without ill- informed speculation.
Factually we know Paul was listed to referee and it appears its now David Gough. Two fine referees who represent the best of our association.  Paul would have been under unfair pressure today, and I don't know if he was involved in the decision himself so let's hope things proceed properly today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 15, 2023, 11:32:48 AM
So CB bend to Kilcoo will?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on October 15, 2023, 11:34:02 AM
Niall McCoy now reporting that Gough considering pulling out. What a shit show
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on October 15, 2023, 11:36:58 AM
Quote from: Mike Tyson on October 15, 2023, 11:34:02 AMNiall McCoy now reporting that Gough considering pulling out. What a shit show

There's no doubt any more. We are the biggest laughing stock in the country.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 15, 2023, 11:42:44 AM
Don't be surprised if Down referees unilaterally refuse to referee Kilcoo matches next season. Which will f**k things up for everyone.

Kilcoo will of course blame the county board and the referees, rather than admit any semblance of wrongdoing on their side. But they can't win this one. They can't.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 15, 2023, 11:56:46 AM
Assuming this match actually goes ahead is there anywhere we can get English commentary to compliment TG4 coverage ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on October 15, 2023, 12:02:15 PM
McCoy now reporting Gough has pulled out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 15, 2023, 12:13:24 PM
The ability of one club to influence a change in officials even after official channels in the highest rank have rejected it and the length to which they and their supporters go
to in terms of intimidation raises the question of match fixing in a variety of forms that should be investigated. This shines poorly in Down county board and the CCC in the county but really reflects very poorly on the club involved in front of the whole country. All referees should stand in solidarity with Paul Faloon as the top referee in this county and not just for this competition but future competitions and use this opportunity to show they will not stand for this type of intimidation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 15, 2023, 12:13:41 PM
Apparently match is off
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: nrico2006 on October 15, 2023, 12:15:07 PM
Why are they objecting against the ref?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedHand88 on October 15, 2023, 12:19:20 PM
Did Gough know the circumstances when he agreed to do it?
Did Faloon think frig this and pull out, or did the county board do the swap last minute?
What is kilcoos issue with Faloon?

I have so many questions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on October 15, 2023, 12:22:51 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 15, 2023, 12:13:41 PMApparently match is off

Bizarrely, just two minutes ago Down's FB page has put up a post promoting the game. Have they found a very late replacement or has someone forgotten to notify the social media team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 15, 2023, 12:24:56 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 15, 2023, 12:22:51 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 15, 2023, 12:13:41 PMApparently match is off

Bizarrely, just two minutes ago Down's FB page has put up a post promoting the game. Have they found a very late replacement or has someone forgotten to notify the social media team?
that was the rumour going round that the match wouldn't go ahead, hopefully not true. All we need now is a ref. Disgrace that it's come to this.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on October 15, 2023, 12:30:51 PM
Would laverty not have some type of influence to say catch yourself on lads.im sure falloon has did kilcoo a right few times with no issue
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on October 15, 2023, 12:35:05 PM
Brian Higgins will be in the middle today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: pbat on October 15, 2023, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on October 15, 2023, 12:35:05 PMBrian Higgins will be in the middle today.
Don't know the man from Adam but there's not much in Brian.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 15, 2023, 12:45:27 PM
Quote from: statto on October 15, 2023, 12:30:51 PMWould laverty not have some type of influence to say catch yourself on lads.im sure falloon has did kilcoo a right few times with no issue


WHAT, sure he was the man driving the county board to remove Faloon initially before the appeals stating that no Kilcoo lads would be available to Down if he wasn't removed from the game.

Well it looks like the crying wee bitches have got their way. Apparently it has been moved to Newry Swimming pool to aid their diving and closer to Daisy Hill hospital to cope with every tackle which will obviously be to the head.

It's a sad day when you resort to this but they already as low as any team has ever gone. Hope they are f**king stuffed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on October 15, 2023, 12:50:02 PM
Quote from: Lotto on October 15, 2023, 12:45:27 PM
Quote from: statto on October 15, 2023, 12:30:51 PMWould laverty not have some type of influence to say catch yourself on lads.im sure falloon has did kilcoo a right few times with no issue


WHAT, sure he was the man driving the county board to remove Faloon initially before the appeals stating that no Kilcoo lads would be available to Down if he wasn't removed from the game.

Well it looks like the crying wee bitches have got their way. Apparently it has been moved to Newry Swimming pool to aid their diving and closer to Daisy Hill hospital to cope with every tackle which will obviously be to the head.

It's a sad day when you resort to this but they already as low as any team has ever gone. Hope they are f**king stuffed.
you and anyone outside kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 15, 2023, 12:59:24 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on October 15, 2023, 12:35:05 PMBrian Higgins will be in the middle today.
I though all Down refs said no.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Trap on October 15, 2023, 01:05:10 PM
Surely Laverty is going to struggle to go back to Down after this club season. Will all the best players in Down play for him?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 15, 2023, 01:06:46 PM
Stole from the Ulster SFC Thread but apparently this is the story.

"So Kilcoo objected to the ref and went whole way to Croke Park about it eventually David Gough gets appointed. Now apparently Gough won't be doing it and theres a doubt whether or not it'll even go ahead.

Apparently the Down CB
1. Refused to guarantee Faloons safety when he asked.
2. Refused to allow him to have open mic as he's been accused in the past of saying things to Kilcoo players.
3. Refused to issue a statement backing him.

The ref co-ordinator in Down has been getting threatening phone calls this week as well allegedly and told to stay away from game today."
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eire90 on October 15, 2023, 01:49:37 PM
whats the world coming to when people are getting death threats over a game of sport.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ClubScene13 on October 15, 2023, 02:01:35 PM
Embarrassing hope they're hammered
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 15, 2023, 02:09:45 PM
Only deferred cover on tg4 ? How long is it deferred?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 15, 2023, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on October 15, 2023, 02:09:45 PMOnly deferred cover on tg4 ? How long is it deferred?
Sorry, meant deferred on down tv
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 15, 2023, 02:16:55 PM
Thought Gough was reffing this one!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 15, 2023, 02:22:14 PM
Ref not see the most obvious push in the back from the full back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 15, 2023, 02:24:28 PM
Brian Higgins is pure shite by the looks of things here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: p3427977 on October 15, 2023, 02:48:41 PM
The scum are running away with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 15, 2023, 02:50:00 PM
Burren very disappointing. Faffing around on the Kilcoo 45 before eventually misplacing a handpass seems to be the height of their game plan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Baile an tuaigh on October 15, 2023, 02:57:23 PM
Kilcoo a well oiled football machine strong all over the pitch and well able to take their scores. Ryan McAvoy is a colossal full back.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 15, 2023, 03:02:46 PM
Colossal full back? Pull the other one. A decent full back at club level, yes has had a good first half but dont make him out to be something he isnt because he was a severe weak point for the county team when at full back this year and was exposed time and time again. Good player but dont overdo it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 15, 2023, 03:06:12 PM
Can't work out how it is a good thing the county manager is still playing against players he managing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 15, 2023, 03:10:40 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 15, 2023, 03:06:12 PMCan't work out how it is a good thing the county manager is still playing against players he managing.
especially when he's running rings around some of them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 15, 2023, 03:19:03 PM
How may county men Burren have, see Murdock. And, Magill, anyone else?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 15, 2023, 03:20:10 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 15, 2023, 03:19:03 PMHow may county men Burren have, see Murdock. And, Magill, anyone else?
kerr and mccarthy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 15, 2023, 03:24:05 PM
Kerr not on the ball hardly at all.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 15, 2023, 03:25:17 PM
Bad miss!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 15, 2023, 03:29:16 PM
That Lad Murdock a fair footballer!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 15, 2023, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 15, 2023, 03:29:16 PMThat Lad Murdock a fair footballer!
He really is. Would not surprise me if he ends up going to Aus though. He'd be well fit for it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 15, 2023, 03:45:48 PM
Won handy enough but I don't think they have heard the end of the ref issue.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on October 15, 2023, 03:52:59 PM
You would assume the county board and Higgins have a table left for them in Quinns with the Kilcoo team. Absolute disgrace what they get away with, should just have to play the game no matter who the referee was, and if didn't like it, the ball thrown in without them, shocking that county board bow down every time, just shocked that Niall Brannigan wasn't playing too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mournenan82 on October 15, 2023, 04:05:40 PM
Another easy win, no one will get near them in the county no matter who referees
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RedHand88 on October 15, 2023, 04:11:38 PM
They will never get a 50/50 call ever again. And for what? Wouldn't have mattered who the referee was today.
Extremely short sighted from everyone's favourite club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 15, 2023, 04:12:56 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 15, 2023, 12:22:51 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 15, 2023, 12:13:41 PMApparently match is off

Bizarrely, just two minutes ago Down's FB page has put up a post promoting the game. Have they found a very late replacement or has someone forgotten to notify the social media team?

Bizarrely? Or to clarify that the match was going ahead due to the amount of rumours suggesting otherwise? Like this one!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 15, 2023, 04:27:24 PM
Really comfortable win for Kilcoo, apart from first 10 minutes Burren never really got close.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on October 15, 2023, 04:36:15 PM
Higgins and the Annaclone club should hang their heads in shame, he and his umpires were an absolute disgrace for agreeing to officiate that game today. A referee was appointed, one club went crying again that they didn't like him and got their way to replace. Absolutely no backing from his so called mates and one scab said he would do it with Annaclone club members backing him, absolutely pathetic. So where does this end as Kilcoo have obviously started a process where any club can question any referee who has appointed to a game?

No issues with the result, Kilcoo the better team on the day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eire90 on October 15, 2023, 05:07:01 PM
gaa is in a bad way in down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on October 15, 2023, 05:11:13 PM
Easy win for kilcoo, 11 out of 12 is unreal, and I don't see it stopping for the foreseeable future.
Burren very poor going backwards under mc corry.
Higgins done a good job in the circumstances
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on October 15, 2023, 05:34:17 PM
The Burren committee who reappointed McCorry and Adams must be severely regretting their decision.  The lack of a plan, the lack of ideas and the lack of fight from Burren was shocking.  However hats off to Kilcoo, their hunger and game intelligence was outstanding. While we should never condone bad behaviour the Magpies are by far the best team in the county and are worthy Down champions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eire90 on October 15, 2023, 05:34:47 PM
11 out of 12 not good for the future of the game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 15, 2023, 06:05:22 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on October 15, 2023, 05:07:01 PMgaa is in a bad way in down

It's worse than that.

Much worse.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 15, 2023, 07:04:46 PM
What a team performance from our men today. Professional all across the pitch and could have had a number of winners of man of the match.

Laverty pulling the strings is something to behold.

Up The Mighty Magpies 🏁

#UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 15, 2023, 07:06:32 PM
Thank god for Kilcoo
Thank god for McCorry and Adams having no plan and costing a fortune.
Thank god we don't have to listen to the noisy neighbours slabbering for the foreseeable..
This game should never have gone ahead and the referee and his assistants should hang their heads in shame. At least our club ref has the good sense to say no. We as a county struggle on a yearly basis to recruit referees and this shambles won't ease the recruitment process for next season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 15, 2023, 07:21:16 PM
Kilcoo won in second gear, clean sweep for east down burren can keep there reserve championships UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on October 15, 2023, 07:46:46 PM
A real anti-climax. Burren had no plan, Kilcoo vastly superior; wonder they had to resort to such underhand tactics
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 15, 2023, 08:13:26 PM
Never doubted who the winners would be today, thought Burren would have produced a bit more but it didn't come for them.
Does not and can not take away from what was the disgrace in the lead up to the game. As paying members of the GAA in Down our clubs should request and receive a full report and timeline of the events that lead to the removal of a top intercounty referee in our county even after an apparent request was thrown out at all levels of the association. The clubs have a right to know what went on and reasons behind such decisions. A real can of worms opened today for future competitions and I would have preferred that all officials refused the game and a full report published before the game would be played with a different referee. Well Done to Kilcoo (on the field) hard lines Burren, disgrace from elected county executive to give no backing to a great person and referee. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 15, 2023, 08:36:50 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on October 15, 2023, 08:13:26 PMNever doubted who the winners would be today, thought Burren would have produced a bit more but it didn't come for them.
Does not and can not take away from what was the disgrace in the lead up to the game. As paying members of the GAA in Down our clubs should request and receive a full report and timeline of the events that lead to the removal of a top intercounty referee in our county even after an apparent request was thrown out at all levels of the association. The clubs have a right to know what went on and reasons behind such decisions. A real can of worms opened today for future competitions and I would have preferred that all officials refused the game and a full report published before the game would be played with a different referee. Well Done to Kilcoo (on the field) hard lines Burren, disgrace from elected county executive to give no backing to a great person and referee. 
On a football note only leaving aside the other referee stuff from a neutral point of view Kilcoo won pulling up. Without Murdock next year assuming he goes to Australia the gap will be even bigger
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Saul goodman on October 15, 2023, 09:39:37 PM
Kilcoo were very good today and full value for the win. They deserve credit for the win after a poor first 10 mins and losing Jerome they really upped it. Few lovely scores from play from Aaron Bran and Morgan and PD.
watching the pace of burren players at county level like magill and Kerr I thought they would have caused kilcoo more problems.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: galwayman on October 16, 2023, 07:11:05 AM
Lads what's the deal with Kilcoo and Faloon?
What was the reason for the objection re him reffing it - some past incident?
As an outsider it beggars belief that a club can object to an appointed referee and get it changed.
Sure that opens a huge can of worms.
You could have this craic going on every week. I'd say most clubs have certain refs that they feel havent done them any favours in the past.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 16, 2023, 07:28:10 AM
Quote from: galwayman on October 16, 2023, 07:11:05 AMLads what's the deal with Kilcoo and Faloon?
What was the reason for the objection re him reffing it - some past incident?
As an outsider it beggars belief that a club can object to an appointed referee and get it changed.
Sure that opens a huge can of worms.
You could have this craic going on every week. I'd say most clubs have certain refs that they feel havent done them any favours in the past.
Allegedly he has said things to them and they've said things to him/about him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Moonshine on October 16, 2023, 07:36:57 AM
Did the whole ref scenario not manifest from a few years ago from a few players phoning him in middle of night and giving him abuse classy boys. Wouldn't get away with it in Derry or Tyrone. Down Co board seem spinless. I seen a stat about them winning 10 or 11 out of 12 championships. How many times in that period were they beat in championship I can remember a couple. Back door nonsense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 16, 2023, 08:56:19 AM
Quote from: Moonshine on October 16, 2023, 07:36:57 AMDid the whole ref scenario not manifest from a few years ago from a few players phoning him in middle of night and giving him abuse classy boys. Wouldn't get away with it in Derry or Tyrone. Down Co board seem spinless. I seen a stat about them winning 10 or 11 out of 12 championships. How many times in that period were they beat in championship I can remember a couple. Back door nonsense.
Started few years before that when faloon said he would do everything in his power to stop Kilcoo winning the championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 16, 2023, 09:00:47 AM
Quote from: galwayman on October 16, 2023, 07:11:05 AMLads what's the deal with Kilcoo and Faloon?
What was the reason for the objection re him reffing it - some past incident?
As an outsider it beggars belief that a club can object to an appointed referee and get it changed.
Sure that opens a huge can of worms.
You could have this craic going on every week. I'd say most clubs have certain refs that they feel havent done them any favours in the past.

My understanding of what they went to Dublin with is that it was a broad brush claim of historical bias, with no specifics (or evidence) in terms of names, dates or location.

In other words, a witch hunt.

I generally support the county board in what they do. Seemingly unlike  most people in the county, I do not think they've an agenda against my club or any other club.

But on this occasion they facilitated a chain of events that saw Kilcoo get exactly what they want.

It was short term thinking to solve an immediate problem, which will result in much bigger problems down the line.

The right thing to do would have been to collapse the game and get behind their referees.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 16, 2023, 09:25:36 AM
Spot on Wobbler. Will Ballyholland be asking the Co Board for a breakdown of events that lead to the decision? I believe all clubs should as it will very much lead to issues in future championships. The game itself was never the issue, a clubs ability to change a match official and in the process damage his credibility without and ounce of backing from his county board is the main issue here. Every club has referees they feel give them 'nothing' etc. Im ashamed of my county board this weekend and i disagree with referees decision to officiate the game at the time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 16, 2023, 09:31:56 AM
Does the head of the referee's make these appointments or is it the CCC or is it another gentleman sticking his neb in?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on October 16, 2023, 09:45:05 AM
Quote from: PTC on October 16, 2023, 08:56:19 AM
Quote from: Moonshine on October 16, 2023, 07:36:57 AMDid the whole ref scenario not manifest from a few years ago from a few players phoning him in middle of night and giving him abuse classy boys. Wouldn't get away with it in Derry or Tyrone. Down Co board seem spinless. I seen a stat about them winning 10 or 11 out of 12 championships. How many times in that period were they beat in championship I can remember a couple. Back door nonsense.
Started few years before that when faloon said he would do everything in his power to stop Kilcoo winning the championship
Has he did Kilcoo games since these alleged comments?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 16, 2023, 10:02:25 AM
It's getting into 🎠 merry-go-round time.
Any management changes been made or are imminent?

I'd expect at least a couple following the weekend results.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 16, 2023, 10:31:02 AM
AN embarrassing weekend of events for everyone involved in Down. There should be changes at the top, and whoever rang David Gough should be sacked this morning.

Kilcoo is an excellent team, but it's important to highlight the circus that accompanies it. Do none of the players tell the committee to wise up and let us play football? The off-the-field antics are tainted their legacy.

And Karl had no issue with whoever refereed the game LOL
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 16, 2023, 10:35:14 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 15, 2023, 07:06:32 PMThank god for Kilcoo
Thank god for McCorry and Adams having no plan and costing a fortune.
Thank god we don't have to listen to the noisy neighbours slabbering for the foreseeable..
This game should never have gone ahead and the referee and his assistants should hang their heads in shame. At least our club ref has the good sense to say no. We as a county struggle on a yearly basis to recruit referees and this shambles won't ease the recruitment process for next season.

Who will Burren turn to now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Applesisapples on October 16, 2023, 11:48:29 AM
As an outsider it seems absurd that the Down County Board would change the Ref, especially since Kilcoo lost out with their Disputes Resolution appeal. sets a bad precedent. I obviously don't know the cause of the objections, but it beggars belief that any one trying to make it as a national ref would make any statements about stopping a Club winning championships. It will be interesting to see how the Referees respond.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on October 16, 2023, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on October 16, 2023, 11:48:29 AMAs an outsider it seems absurd that the Down County Board would change the Ref, especially since Kilcoo lost out with their Disputes Resolution appeal. sets a bad precedent. I obviously don't know the cause of the objections, but it beggars belief that any one trying to make it as a national ref would make any statements about stopping a Club winning championships. It will be interesting to see how the Referees respond.

There will be no response, it will be forgotten about in a few weeks and they will all start next season as if it didn't happen. Kilcoo won't suffer, the only person who will suffer is Faloon, he reputation in tatters due to this appeal, zero backing from Down CB or his peers in referees Committee. Wouldn't be surprised if he gave up on the refereeing or went to another county, as its a joke what went on. The phone calls to the county board over the past week would have been constant, threatening no doubt, and Lavery no doubt the ring leader
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on October 16, 2023, 12:51:31 PM
The elephant in the room and key question.
On what grounds did Kilcoo appeal? What happened in the past that they felt they had justification for an appeal?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 16, 2023, 01:11:21 PM
Quote from: ck on October 16, 2023, 12:51:31 PMThe elephant in the room and key question.
On what grounds did Kilcoo appeal? What happened in the past that they felt they had justification for an appeal?

Ah now they could tell you anything in reply to that, the rest of the county know its because he doesnt fall for the head holding when theyre brought down and other forms of play acting and because 2 of their players were found to have been calling him in middle of night a few years back and insulting him that he may go against them. Even though he has done games they have won since (fact) but they dont like to have him in the championship. The real elephant in the room is the question of how,how when the county board dismissed the request, Ulster dismissed & DRA Croke Park dismissed..... was the referee replaced considering he did not step aside
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on October 16, 2023, 01:30:42 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on October 16, 2023, 01:11:21 PM
Quote from: ck on October 16, 2023, 12:51:31 PMThe elephant in the room and key question.
On what grounds did Kilcoo appeal? What happened in the past that they felt they had justification for an appeal?

Ah now they could tell you anything in reply to that, the rest of the county know its because he doesnt fall for the head holding when theyre brought down and other forms of play acting and because 2 of their players were found to have been calling him in middle of night a few years back and insulting him that he may go against them. Even though he has done games they have won since (fact) but they dont like to have him in the championship. The real elephant in the room is the question of how,how when the county board dismissed the request, Ulster dismissed & DRA Croke Park dismissed..... was the referee replaced considering he did not step aside
Is it fact that PF did not step aside ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mugsy03 on October 16, 2023, 01:33:47 PM
Shocking what happened to faloon, on eof the best refs in ireland. I hear hes already been in contact within armagh circles about reffing there. I suppose you cant really blame him at all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on October 16, 2023, 01:35:30 PM
As an outsider looking in, I'd also have a real issue with the referee that stepped up and done the game instead of backing the injustice to his fellow referee.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 16, 2023, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: toby47 on October 16, 2023, 01:35:30 PMAs an outsider looking in, I'd also have a real issue with the referee that stepped up and done the game instead of backing the injustice to his fellow referee.

Plenty of people inside the county have an issue with it too. Annaclone should be ashamed of themselves
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 16, 2023, 02:02:27 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 16, 2023, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: toby47 on October 16, 2023, 01:35:30 PMAs an outsider looking in, I'd also have a real issue with the referee that stepped up and done the game instead of backing the injustice to his fellow referee.

Plenty of people inside the county have an issue with it too. Annaclone should be ashamed of themselves

we will never know what shanigans went on behind the scenes, or will we.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Applesisapples on October 16, 2023, 02:04:31 PM
Fcuk and I thought Armagh Clubs didn't like Cross! There are some wild unsubstantiated comments here. But if it is true that the Down board didn't back him then he'd be right to walk.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 16, 2023, 02:07:54 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 16, 2023, 02:02:27 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 16, 2023, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: toby47 on October 16, 2023, 01:35:30 PMAs an outsider looking in, I'd also have a real issue with the referee that stepped up and done the game instead of backing the injustice to his fellow referee.

Plenty of people inside the county have an issue with it too. Annaclone should be ashamed of themselves

we will never know what shanigans went on behind the scenes, or will we.

Occasionally Annaclone guys umpire for Faloon,  so Brian and his cohorts didn't completely consider this one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mugsy03 on October 16, 2023, 02:14:13 PM
Very bad from the annaclone club if they knew that some of their members umpire for faloon. Some mess around this all looking in from the outside
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 16, 2023, 02:29:31 PM
County Board statement out on Facebook

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02bBjC4QBtURThCLJqaiUr9ZyRJvPd8rX5KxHnGfiCkYe5LZWPKNoJoaaNJFQ5pQ1vl&id=100064669750059
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 16, 2023, 02:35:57 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 16, 2023, 02:29:31 PMCounty Board statement out on Facebook

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02bBjC4QBtURThCLJqaiUr9ZyRJvPd8rX5KxHnGfiCkYe5LZWPKNoJoaaNJFQ5pQ1vl&id=100064669750059
I dont have facebook, can someone throw it up here please. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on October 16, 2023, 02:36:33 PM
So in support of Paul, they got another ref???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 16, 2023, 02:39:36 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 16, 2023, 02:35:57 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 16, 2023, 02:29:31 PMCounty Board statement out on Facebook

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02bBjC4QBtURThCLJqaiUr9ZyRJvPd8rX5KxHnGfiCkYe5LZWPKNoJoaaNJFQ5pQ1vl&id=100064669750059
I dont have facebook, can someone throw it up here please. 

on Twitter as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on October 16, 2023, 02:42:50 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on October 16, 2023, 02:36:33 PMSo in support of Paul, they got another ref???

That's what I more less took from it?

'We are not happy with what Kilcoo done at all, but we bent over for them' would have been a shorter and easier read statement.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 16, 2023, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: toby47 on October 16, 2023, 02:42:50 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on October 16, 2023, 02:36:33 PMSo in support of Paul, they got another ref???

That's what I more less took from it?

'We are not happy with what Kilcoo done at all, but we bent over for them' would have been a shorter and easier read statement.




I think they need to clarify what happened between "Saturday late morning and afternoon"!!!

Based on the rest of their steadfastness towards Faloon up to that point it can only be assumed he stepped down but even that doesn't make sense or why would Gough then accept the appointment then feel he had to withdraw on the Sunday morning.

This statement leaves more unanswered questions than answers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 16, 2023, 03:05:10 PM
If you are going to release a time line of events dont leave out the most important time and vaguely mention that events that were becoming difficult to control. A good opportunity to put the record straight wasted.
 They did highlight their disagreement with Kilcoo getting to appeal an official but by leaving out what happened the rest of Saturday then questions remain...

Did Faloon ask for guarantees he could not get?
Did County Football Management makes threats?
Did Kilcoo club treat to pull out of game?
What events lead to Paul no longer refereeing the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 16, 2023, 03:15:03 PM
Forgot to mention previously but congratulations to our neighbours Liatroim on winning the intermediate final over the weekend.

Always like to see the Fontenoys doing well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: The Trap on October 16, 2023, 03:17:45 PM
If the game was not on TG4 would the county board have been stronger?
Agree that the statement leaves a lot of unanswered questions.
On the match itself Kilcoo were miles ahead. Paul Faloon would have done well to make the difference!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on October 16, 2023, 03:49:00 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 15, 2023, 07:06:32 PMThank god for Kilcoo
Thank god for McCorry and Adams having no plan and costing a fortune.
Thank god we don't have to listen to the noisy neighbours slabbering for the foreseeable..
This game should never have gone ahead and the referee and his assistants should hang their heads in shame. At least our club ref has the good sense to say no. We as a county struggle on a yearly basis to recruit referees and this shambles won't ease the recruitment process for next season.

This the same ref who held your club to ransom over an operation earlier in the year? Some morals alright that man. Heard he threatened to join Burren if CPN didn't sort his leg. We wouldn't take him, we've enough people with no clue without adding that to the mixture.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 16, 2023, 04:23:45 PM
Hearing more rumours about why Paul stood down and I would hope to God they weren't true
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 16, 2023, 04:51:00 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 16, 2023, 04:23:45 PMHearing more rumours about why Paul stood down and I would hope to God they weren't true

CB couldn't guarantee his safety?

I find that quite staggering if true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on October 16, 2023, 05:14:39 PM
All sounding a bit sinister tbh.

Game of football end of the day
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 16, 2023, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 16, 2023, 04:51:00 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 16, 2023, 04:23:45 PMHearing more rumours about why Paul stood down and I would hope to God they weren't true

CB couldn't guarantee his safety?

I find that quite staggering if true.
Let's just say he would have needed to make sure his home insurance was up to date
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 16, 2023, 07:00:50 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 16, 2023, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 16, 2023, 04:51:00 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 16, 2023, 04:23:45 PMHearing more rumours about why Paul stood down and I would hope to God they weren't true

CB couldn't guarantee his safety?

If true then their a bigger bunch of scum bags than we ever thought

I find that quite staggering if true.
Let's just say he would have needed to make sure his home insurance was up to date
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on October 16, 2023, 07:23:56 PM
What happened over the weekend is the stuff of fiction writers.We have our county champions now dictating who officiates their games for some contrived made up reasons, had this been the case in the eighties and nineties I know of two teams that wouldn't have taken the field when certain refs were appointed.
So from a Down supporter this has opened a can of worms, a few unanswered questions remain.
1. What was the basis of Kilcoo s protest
2. Was there any pressure put on the county executive to replace Paul Faloon from another source as it is rumoured there was from a member of the senior management team
3.Who was making all the phone calls in search of an alternative referee and was this search started because our county final was on national TV
Had this final not involved Kilcoo , Paul Faloon would have refereed the match regardless of any objection.
It's sad that a team that has distinguished itself on the field should resort to shameful actions of manipulating  who referees their matches.
They certainly didn't need to on yesterdays showing but maybe they weren't leaving anything to chance.
Lastly we needed a leader yesterday and our county chairman was no where to be seen or heard from, hopefully the next chairman or chairperson is more capable.
What a mess!!
The fallout of this may be considerable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on October 16, 2023, 07:40:32 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on October 16, 2023, 07:23:56 PMWhat happened over the weekend is the stuff of fiction writers.We have our county champions now dictating who officiates their games for some contrived made up reasons, had this been the case in the eighties and nineties I know of two teams that wouldn't have taken the field when certain refs were appointed.
So from a Down supporter this has opened a can of worms, a few unanswered questions remain.
1. What was the basis of Kilcoo s protest
2. Was there any pressure put on the county executive to replace Paul Faloon from another source as it is rumoured there was from a member of the senior management team
3.Who was making all the phone calls in search of an alternative referee and was this search started because our county final was on national TV
Had this final not involved Kilcoo , Paul Faloon would have refereed the match regardless of any objection.
It's sad that a team that has distinguished itself on the field should resort to shameful actions of manipulating  who referees their matches.
They certainly didn't need to on yesterdays showing but maybe they weren't leaving anything to chance.
Lastly we needed a leader yesterday and our county chairman was no where to be seen or heard from, hopefully the next chairman or chairperson is more capable.
What a mess!!
The fallout of this may be considerable.


Agree with this where is the Co chairman???  He usually has plenty to say
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: the goal was on on October 16, 2023, 07:52:51 PM
Looking From the outside kilcoo are taking the rest of clubs for mugs and they all seem happy to oblige. It's no wonder they are so dominant .what could have spooked county board into not backing Faloon ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on October 16, 2023, 07:55:51 PM
Laverty said if Faloon remains, he and rest of management panel are walking.

Give Co.Board an ultimatum, who folded like a pack of wet, limp cards
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: podge on October 16, 2023, 08:05:20 PM
I am not close to the detail on this but from the outside looking in, were the county board not in a virtually impossible position?

Did the ref himself not pull out from the fixture leaving them having to find an alternative ref ?

What can a county board do to guarantee a man's safety - 24/7 security isn't really practical (if indeed inability of the county board to guarantee personal safety was the reason the appointed ref stepped aside).

All that said, the statement they released leaves a gaping hole, being the events of Sat morn/afternoon.

None of that of course justifies in any way the actions of kilcoo which were unacceptable and if their outside manager had anything about him he would walk away.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 16, 2023, 08:18:00 PM
Why is anyone surprised at the turn of events over the weekend? When CL was appointed senior manager that was the death knell for this county. The power they possess now has gotten to the can't control stage, Jack, Sean, and all the rest do the honourable thing and step aside. This has been a circus. Until we are rid of Laverty as county manager Kilcoo will be uncontrollable and Down will never be united.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 16, 2023, 08:29:11 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 16, 2023, 10:02:25 AMIt's getting into 🎠 merry-go-round time.
Any management changes been made or are imminent?

I'd expect at least a couple following the weekend results.

McCorry has left Burren. There's been a few other early changes under the radar.
I'd expect quite a few more movers over next few weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MK on October 16, 2023, 08:34:56 PM
A few thoughts from the weekend....

With the split season why doesnt CL manage his club thus avoiding an outside manager and the obvious "expenses" incurred

Why did the Burren hierarchy ignore their greatest player when he vehemently opposed retaining last years failed management team?

With Kilcoo so far ahead of all other senior teams in the county do they really resort to underhand tactics?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on October 16, 2023, 10:09:59 PM
Watched the game on TV. Burren had no penetration up front and why would you concede the kickout to a team whose ball retention is so good. Where did Burren's abundance of youth of a few years ago disappear to when you look at the age profile of some of their team yesterday? Plan B seemed to be refer to plan A and continue to play pass the ball sideways on the Kilcoo 45.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Saul goodman on October 16, 2023, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 16, 2023, 08:29:11 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 16, 2023, 10:02:25 AMIt's getting into 🎠 merry-go-round time.
Any management changes been made or are imminent?

I'd expect at least a couple following the weekend results.

McCorry has left Burren. There's been a few other early changes under the radar.
I'd expect quite a few more movers over next few weeks.


I reckon they will give to Eoin Mccartan
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on October 16, 2023, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on October 16, 2023, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 16, 2023, 08:29:11 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 16, 2023, 10:02:25 AMIt's getting into 🎠 merry-go-round time.
Any management changes been made or are imminent?

I'd expect at least a couple following the weekend results.

McCorry has left Burren. There's been a few other early changes under the radar.
I'd expect quite a few more movers over next few weeks.


I reckon they will give to Eoin Mccartan
Shorty signed sealed and delivered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on October 16, 2023, 11:00:49 PM
Quote from: KeyboardWman on October 16, 2023, 10:53:10 PM
Quote from: Saul goodman on October 16, 2023, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 16, 2023, 08:29:11 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 16, 2023, 10:02:25 AMIt's getting into 🎠 merry-go-round time.
Any management changes been made or are imminent?

I'd expect at least a couple following the weekend results.

McCorry has left Burren. There's been a few other early changes under the radar.
I'd expect quite a few more movers over next few weeks.


I reckon they will give to Eoin Mccartan
Shorty signed sealed and delivered.
A previous CPN manager might be a better guess
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on October 17, 2023, 12:30:00 AM
Our Co Board are spineless. That statement is a total embarrassment. Trying to cover their backs. It leaves more questions than answers. Do they think the Down Gaa public are fuckin stupid to believe a bullshit statement like that. Chairman and Secretary need to take a long hard look at themselves. f**k their down ticket and f**k them. I can't give another penny to them under the current regime.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Eire90 on October 17, 2023, 03:17:09 AM
is this where we are at refs  being threatened.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on October 17, 2023, 06:13:53 AM
Down statement is detailed until it gets to Saturday morning then it lacks any detail and glosses over what seems to be the crux of it. What happened on Saturday lads that meant there was no referee? Was the county management involved in proceedings? More questions than answers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 17, 2023, 08:59:27 AM
Quote from: ApresMatch on October 17, 2023, 06:13:53 AMDown statement is detailed until it gets to Saturday morning then it lacks any detail and glosses over what seems to be the crux of it. What happened on Saturday lads that meant there was no referee? Was the county management involved in proceedings? More questions than answers.

They were meeting last night I believe, so they'll want this to die a natural death and move on, but surely the rest of the clubs in Down have a right to know what happened as this reflects badly on all of us as a county.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 17, 2023, 09:21:41 AM
Referees on strike?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 17, 2023, 09:23:06 AM
Head not too fresh today after Monday club. Not be much work today in the office.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 17, 2023, 09:45:08 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 17, 2023, 09:21:41 AMReferees on strike?

thats the rumour.so how will the other referees treat Higgins now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Applesisapples on October 17, 2023, 10:53:31 AM
As an outside observer, I am reading a lot of unsubstantiated stuff on here. To be fair to the Referee, Kilcoo and other parties surely the Down County Board need to lay it out warts and all. Kilcoo are only one club, the other clubs in the county could force the issue at CB level or facing that an EGM. Strange that your Kilcoo supporter has made no comment on the situation other than to advise all of his celebrations.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on October 17, 2023, 11:10:34 AM
The amount of rumours flying around about is crazy.

Referees on strike
Referees safety couldnt be guaranteed
CL was going to walk if the ref did it
Boys sitting outside referees house
Phone calls made to referee previously
Allegations of cheating by the referee

Down football has been in the doldrums for some time but this sort of stuff is off the scale (if any/all of it is accurate)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 17, 2023, 11:37:37 AM
Word now circulating that a number of clubs in the county are considering pulling their County players from the panel. County Manager clearly involved to some extent whether directly or as part of Kilcoo player group.
This is sending a rot throughout the county.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 17, 2023, 11:43:57 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on October 17, 2023, 10:53:31 AMAs an outside observer, I am reading a lot of unsubstantiated stuff on here. To be fair to the Referee, Kilcoo and other parties surely the Down County Board need to lay it out warts and all. Kilcoo are only one club, the other clubs in the county could force the issue at CB level or facing that an EGM. Strange that your Kilcoo supporter has made no comment on the situation other than to advise all of his celebrations.

I am always fair in my approach to matters and have addressed previous situations head on and discussed them on this forum, check my previous posts.

However, you hit the nail on the head, a lot of unsubstantiated info is doing the rounds here and online.

You've seen the fallout from the statement the County Board released. If I address it or make comment, it'll be like petrol to a flame. Safer saying nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 17, 2023, 11:53:28 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 17, 2023, 11:37:37 AMWord now circulating that a number of clubs in the county are considering pulling their County players from the panel. County Manager clearly involved to some extent whether directly or as part of Kilcoo player group.
This is sending a rot throughout the county.

Clubs can't pull players from a county panel.

If you're going to throw petrol on a fire, make sure the can doesn't have a hole.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on October 17, 2023, 11:56:25 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 17, 2023, 11:37:37 AMWord now circulating that a number of clubs in the county are considering pulling their County players from the panel. County Manager clearly involved to some extent whether directly or as part of Kilcoo player group.
This is sending a rot throughout the county.

Clubs have absolutely zero input if a players lines out for the county or not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: forevergreen on October 17, 2023, 11:56:37 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2023, 11:53:28 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 17, 2023, 11:37:37 AMWord now circulating that a number of clubs in the county are considering pulling their County players from the panel. County Manager clearly involved to some extent whether directly or as part of Kilcoo player group.
This is sending a rot throughout the county.

Clubs can't pull players from a county panel.

If you're going to throw petrol on a fire, make sure the can doesn't have a hole.
So if a county player discusses situation with his club and subsequently steps away from the panel?? Don't think they are contracted so free to walk
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 17, 2023, 11:59:43 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 17, 2023, 11:56:37 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2023, 11:53:28 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 17, 2023, 11:37:37 AMWord now circulating that a number of clubs in the county are considering pulling their County players from the panel. County Manager clearly involved to some extent whether directly or as part of Kilcoo player group.
This is sending a rot throughout the county.

Clubs can't pull players from a county panel.

If you're going to throw petrol on a fire, make sure the can doesn't have a hole.
So if a county player discusses situation with his club and subsequently steps away from the panel?? Don't think they are contracted so free to walk


What Burren players are not going back? The only county player Burren have is heading to Australia IMO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: mugsy03 on October 17, 2023, 12:50:07 PM
You cant blame any county player not wanting to play under this mess that has started especially the burren ones. How can any person have any faith in laverty with his actions of the field with his club. County board should really be considering sacking him as every man woman and child knows he was at fault for this whole mess
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 17, 2023, 01:50:00 PM
Quote from: mugsy03 on October 17, 2023, 12:50:07 PMYou cant blame any county player not wanting to play under this mess that has started especially the burren ones. How can any person have any faith in laverty with his actions of the field with his club. County board should really be considering sacking him as every man woman and child knows he was at fault for this whole mess

How is it Laverty that was at fault here?? Am I missing something? You can't just assume things and hope that people jump on board with it... what grounds do they have to sack him?? Has there been gross misconduct in him carrying out his role for the county board - no.. can't sack him.  If Burren or any other clubs players don't want to go - that's fine - the county will always field a team - whether it's the ones we want or not is another thing..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 17, 2023, 01:51:43 PM
Mugsy03... is that really you? The legend of Tyrone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on October 17, 2023, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 17, 2023, 11:56:37 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 17, 2023, 11:53:28 AM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 17, 2023, 11:37:37 AMWord now circulating that a number of clubs in the county are considering pulling their County players from the panel. County Manager clearly involved to some extent whether directly or as part of Kilcoo player group.
This is sending a rot throughout the county.

Clubs can't pull players from a county panel.

If you're going to throw petrol on a fire, make sure the can doesn't have a hole.
So if a county player discusses situation with his club and subsequently steps away from the panel?? Don't think they are contracted so free to walk


A county player doesnt have to discuss anything with his club. If he walks from the county then he walks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 17, 2023, 03:32:56 PM
to be honest there is so much fog and rumours about this issue I doubt very much the truth will ever come out, and if it did would it be believed?

as someone has already stated the County Board just want it to all blow over, but the referees dont seem like letting  it, and fair play to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: One life one club on October 17, 2023, 04:43:36 PM
To be honest some of the stuff kilcoo are being blamed on is laughable. Chinese whispers with a little extra added each time. As for the ref situation. Some weren't happy with PF being appointed to referee the final, he hasn't refereed a senior championship game this year (so I've been told by a different ref) The man has obvious history with kilcoo so surly you can't blame him stepping down or blame kilcoo objecting in the first place. The appeals procedure is there for a reason. Brian Higgins did a great job, he let the game play. Now this man is getting abuse from all angles. Everyone is quick to give out about kilcoo bullying cb etc when yous are doing just that. If only the cb supported kilcoo has much as the rest of the county thinks they do
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 17, 2023, 06:49:55 PM
Quote from: forevergreen on October 17, 2023, 11:37:37 AMWord now circulating that a number of clubs in the county are considering pulling their County players from the panel. County Manager clearly involved to some extent whether directly or as part of Kilcoo player group.
This is sending a rot throughout the county.
Yes this is true, heard drumgath are going to pull all there players from the county, it will be devastating
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on October 17, 2023, 07:39:35 PM
It's an unfortunate turn of affairs but I think a lot of people 'piling on' here don't have even half the story and some are just deliberately creating division. I have no connection with any of the clubs involved but, reading the statement today, it appears the County board were in a no-win situation. I know this is a discussion board but when tensions are high it is best to stick to facts and opinions rather than speculation/half-truths/ 'I hear that...'. There are individuals here who give their best for their clubs and county; they don't need the abuse that some have fired ( especially on X/twitter).
Anyway, the county board and stewards/volunteers did a great job in hosting the three football finals, as did Down GAA TV, apart from not enough introduction time for the JFC final. Pairc Esler was in some condition, the programme was excellent and the commitment from all six teams was serious. I thought all the referees, linesmen and umpires did well too, which has got lost in the noise since. It was good to see the successful ladies team honoured and I wish Drumaness, Liatraoim and Kilcoo success in Ulster ( even though I disagree with Kilcoo's decision to go to the DRA over a referee appointment).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 17, 2023, 08:09:26 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on October 16, 2023, 10:02:25 AMIt's getting into 🎠 merry-go-round time.
Any management changes been made or are imminent?

I'd expect at least a couple following the weekend results.

Most junior teams look to be looking new management going by Facebook. Then have heard Saul, Bryansford, Castlewellan and the point all looking managers. Talk of McAleenan going to Burren but that's just rumours nothing concrete
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 17, 2023, 09:40:16 PM
Michael Walsh back managing the Bridge
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on October 18, 2023, 12:43:56 AM
Them so and so in Kilcoo, bad enough starting a war in the middle east, now they have started storm Babet. What will they get up to next. Probably CL's fault.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on October 18, 2023, 09:04:39 AM
Quote from: Targetman on October 17, 2023, 09:40:16 PMMichael Walsh back managing the Bridge

No he's not
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on October 18, 2023, 10:28:18 AM
Quote from: MATTSARACEN on October 18, 2023, 09:04:39 AM
Quote from: Targetman on October 17, 2023, 09:40:16 PMMichael Walsh back managing the Bridge

No he's not

Poacher sacked?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Applesisapples on October 18, 2023, 11:37:39 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 17, 2023, 11:58:07 AMHis point is that clubs can't do it.
Players have to want to do it.
Yes and No, if a club suspends or expels a county player and doesn't register him for 2024 then he can't play county unless another club would take him. Improbable I would say though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on October 18, 2023, 12:10:15 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on October 18, 2023, 11:37:39 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 17, 2023, 11:58:07 AMHis point is that clubs can't do it.
Players have to want to do it.
Yes and No, if a club suspends or expels a county player and doesn't register him for 2024 then he can't play county unless another club would take him. Improbable I would say though.

Seriously?
Why would a club ever suspend or expel one of their own players?
So to get at the Down Senior team a club team would expel their own player meaning the player cant play for the club either?

Im not sure I have ever read such a load of nonsense in my life
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on October 18, 2023, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 18, 2023, 12:10:15 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on October 18, 2023, 11:37:39 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 17, 2023, 11:58:07 AMHis point is that clubs can't do it.
Players have to want to do it.
Yes and No, if a club suspends or expels a county player and doesn't register him for 2024 then he can't play county unless another club would take him. Improbable I would say though.

Seriously?
Why would a club ever suspend or expel one of their own players?
So to get at the Down Senior team a club team would expel their own player meaning the player cant play for the club either?

Im not sure I have ever read such a load of nonsense in my life

I believe what Mr. Apples is saying that technically its possible. Not that anyone would do it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Taylor on October 18, 2023, 12:23:44 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on October 18, 2023, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 18, 2023, 12:10:15 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on October 18, 2023, 11:37:39 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 17, 2023, 11:58:07 AMHis point is that clubs can't do it.
Players have to want to do it.
Yes and No, if a club suspends or expels a county player and doesn't register him for 2024 then he can't play county unless another club would take him. Improbable I would say though.

Seriously?
Why would a club ever suspend or expel one of their own players?
So to get at the Down Senior team a club team would expel their own player meaning the player cant play for the club either?

Im not sure I have ever read such a load of nonsense in my life

I believe what Mr. Apples is saying that technically its possible. Not that anyone would do it

So if no one would do it then it means clubs would not pull their players from the county set up.
Only players can do that
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 18, 2023, 12:25:41 PM
Quote from: ck on October 18, 2023, 10:28:18 AM
Quote from: MATTSARACEN on October 18, 2023, 09:04:39 AM
Quote from: Targetman on October 17, 2023, 09:40:16 PMMichael Walsh back managing the Bridge

No he's not

Poacher sacked?

is he now with Saval?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Applesisapples on October 18, 2023, 01:49:58 PM
Quote from: SticksandStones on October 18, 2023, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 18, 2023, 12:10:15 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on October 18, 2023, 11:37:39 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 17, 2023, 11:58:07 AMHis point is that clubs can't do it.
Players have to want to do it.
Yes and No, if a club suspends or expels a county player and doesn't register him for 2024 then he can't play county unless another club would take him. Improbable I would say though, depends on the strength of feeling though does not?

Seriously?
Why would a club ever suspend or expel one of their own players?
So to get at the Down Senior team a club team would expel their own player meaning the player cant play for the club either?

Im not sure I have ever read such a load of nonsense in my life

I believe what Mr. Apples is saying that technically its possible. Not that anyone would do it
Exactly, if the club decided to boycott the county and the players decided not to comply the could technically do so....I did say improbable, ie I don't think any club would do so.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 18, 2023, 01:54:15 PM
Never in my life have I heard so much nonsense said. Questions need to be answered quickly. We are a laughing stock.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 18, 2023, 02:48:56 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 18, 2023, 01:54:15 PMNever in my life have I heard so much nonsense said. Questions need to be answered quickly. We are a laughing stock.

Speak to your clubs county representative, I believe there was a meeting on Monday night.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 18, 2023, 03:53:39 PM
Much come out of the meeting?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on October 18, 2023, 04:01:35 PM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on October 18, 2023, 03:53:39 PMMuch come out of the meeting?
The sandwiches weren't great!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 18, 2023, 04:16:05 PM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on October 18, 2023, 03:53:39 PMMuch come out of the meeting?

Ask your rep
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: MATTSARACEN on October 18, 2023, 04:29:10 PM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on October 18, 2023, 03:53:39 PMMuch come out of the meeting?

Probably the same amount that went into it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on October 18, 2023, 06:51:24 PM
Quote from: Square Ball on October 18, 2023, 12:25:41 PM
Quote from: ck on October 18, 2023, 10:28:18 AM
Quote from: MATTSARACEN on October 18, 2023, 09:04:39 AM
Quote from: Targetman on October 17, 2023, 09:40:16 PMMichael Walsh back managing the Bridge

No he's not
Quote from: Square Ball on October 18, 2023, 12:25:41 PM
Quote from: ck on October 18, 2023, 10:28:18 AM
Quote from: MATTSARACEN on October 18, 2023, 09:04:39 AM
Quote from: Targetman on October 17, 2023, 09:40:16 PMMichael Walsh back managing the Bridge

No he's not

Poacher sacked?

is he now with Saval?

Poacher sacked?

is he now with Saval?

Away to a high profile club in Monaghan I believe.
What is the situation in other clubs with regards to managers?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 18, 2023, 09:36:55 PM
Carryduff ??
Loughinisland - new management - Conor OToole??
Kilcoo - new management required
Burren - new management required
Clonduff - new management required
Mayobridge- new management - Bernie Murray??
CPN - new management required
Bredagh - new management required
Bryansford - new management required
Longstone - new management required

Must be a record for the top ten clubs in the county to have so much management activity in one off season..

Castlewellan ???
Ballyholland - new management - Shane Mulholland ???
Saul - new management - John Fegan
Downpatrick - new management required
Liatroim - will probably stick with current setup??
Saval - new management required
Shamrocks - will probably stick with DJ
Rostrevor - ??????
Glen - ???????
Drumgath - ????????

Anyone any updates on above?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on October 19, 2023, 07:10:42 AM
Brendan Mason & Ruairi Gillen over Darragh Cross next year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on October 19, 2023, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: GAA Madness on October 16, 2023, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on October 16, 2023, 11:48:29 AMAs an outsider it seems absurd that the Down County Board would change the Ref, especially since Kilcoo lost out with their Disputes Resolution appeal. sets a bad precedent. I obviously don't know the cause of the objections, but it beggars belief that any one trying to make it as a national ref would make any statements about stopping a Club winning championships. It will be interesting to see how the Referees respond.

There will be no response, it will be forgotten about in a few weeks and they will all start next season as if it didn't happen. Kilcoo won't suffer, the only person who will suffer is Faloon, he reputation in tatters due to this appeal, zero backing from Down CB or his peers in referees Committee. Wouldn't be surprised if he gave up on the refereeing or went to another county, as its a joke what went on. The phone calls to the county board over the past week would have been constant, threatening no doubt, and Lavery no doubt the ring leader

Very slanderous that last line about Laverty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: LeoMc on October 19, 2023, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 18, 2023, 09:36:55 PMCarryduff ??
Loughinisland - new management - Conor OToole??
Kilcoo - new management required
Burren - new management required
Clonduff - new management required
Mayobridge- new management - Bernie Murray??
CPN - new management required
Bredagh - new management required
Bryansford - new management required
Longstone - new management required

Must be a record for the top ten clubs in the county to have so much management activity in one off season..

Castlewellan ???
Ballyholland - new management - Shane Mulholland ???
Saul - new management - John Fegan
Downpatrick - new management required
Liatroim - will probably stick with current setup??
Saval - new management required
Shamrocks - will probably stick with DJ
Rostrevor - ??????
Glen - ???????
Drumgath - ????????

Anyone any updates on above?
What is the story there. I would assume as winning the title would guarantee the job, that it is Lacey walking away. Is he based in Letterkenny and travelling 3 times a week?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clonian on October 19, 2023, 12:59:38 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 18, 2023, 09:36:55 PMCarryduff ??
Loughinisland - new management - Conor OToole??
Kilcoo - new management required
Burren - new management required
Clonduff - new management required
Mayobridge- new management - Bernie Murray??
CPN - new management required
Bredagh - new management required
Bryansford - new management required
Longstone - new management required

Must be a record for the top ten clubs in the county to have so much management activity in one off season..

Castlewellan ???
Ballyholland - new management - Shane Mulholland ???
Saul - new management - John Fegan
Downpatrick - new management required
Liatroim - will probably stick with current setup??
Saval - new management required
Shamrocks - will probably stick with DJ
Rostrevor - ??????
Glen - ???????
Drumgath - ????????

Anyone any updates on above?

At what stage are a lot of these clubs going to catch on that throwing money at the problem isn't going to get them past Kilcoo? What's the return on investment realistically. It's a big drain on club cash which could be better used to invest in facilities etc for the future.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 19, 2023, 01:13:20 PM
Think Lacey is under McGuinnesses ticket for Donegal with Murphy
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Applesisapples on October 19, 2023, 02:09:37 PM
County Board have asked the GAA to investigate, they have accepted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 19, 2023, 02:20:32 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on October 19, 2023, 02:09:37 PMCounty Board have asked the GAA to investigate, they have accepted.

Not up to speed with how the whole committee shite works but surely Down CB know what happened within their own competition or what is the reason for getting the GAA to investigate it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on October 19, 2023, 02:41:16 PM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 19, 2023, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 18, 2023, 09:36:55 PMCarryduff ??
Loughinisland - new management - Conor OToole??
Kilcoo - new management required
Burren - new management required
Clonduff - new management required
Mayobridge- new management - Bernie Murray??
CPN - new management required
Bredagh - new management required
Bryansford - new management required
Longstone - new management required

Must be a record for the top ten clubs in the county to have so much management activity in one off season..

Castlewellan ???
Ballyholland - new management - Shane Mulholland ???
Saul - new management - John Fegan
Downpatrick - new management required
Liatroim - will probably stick with current setup??
Saval - new management required
Shamrocks - will probably stick with DJ
Rostrevor - ??????
Glen - ???????
Drumgath - ????????

Anyone any updates on above?
What is the story there. I would assume as winning the title would guarantee the job, that it is Lacey walking away. Is he based in Letterkenny and travelling 3 times a week?

The money Lacey is on he could be flying his own helicopter from Donegal
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 19, 2023, 03:21:32 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 19, 2023, 12:59:38 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 18, 2023, 09:36:55 PMCarryduff ??
Loughinisland - new management - Conor OToole??
Kilcoo - new management required
Burren - new management required
Clonduff - new management required
Mayobridge- new management - Bernie Murray??
CPN - new management required
Bredagh - new management required
Bryansford - new management required
Longstone - new management required

Must be a record for the top ten clubs in the county to have so much management activity in one off season..

Castlewellan ???
Ballyholland - new management - Shane Mulholland ???
Saul - new management - John Fegan
Downpatrick - new management required
Liatroim - will probably stick with current setup??
Saval - new management required
Shamrocks - will probably stick with DJ
Rostrevor - ??????
Glen - ???????
Drumgath - ????????

Anyone any updates on above?

At what stage are a lot of these clubs going to catch on that throwing money at the problem isn't going to get them past Kilcoo? What's the return on investment realistically. It's a big drain on club cash which could be better used to invest in facilities etc for the future.

I agree there is crazy money going around, however none more so than Kilcoo themselves of course in order to get to where they are. 2/3 outside men every year and in many cases travelling from Derry and now Donegal, Donaghey in doing S&C for years, stats woman from Donegal this past number of years all whilst investing in the club facilities. Money hasnt appeared to have been an object since they started to become successful right through to now. Its the same everywhere all over the Island. People talk about club coaches doing the job, in real terms with the pressure put on management and and fallouts within clubs and parents (yes parents at senior level) and teams etc, would they want to?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 19, 2023, 04:19:51 PM
Special mention to our 2 senior team medics after their quick actions assisted Philip Walsh who took unwell after the final on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clonian on October 19, 2023, 05:03:53 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on October 19, 2023, 03:21:32 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 19, 2023, 12:59:38 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 18, 2023, 09:36:55 PMCarryduff ??
Loughinisland - new management - Conor OToole??
Kilcoo - new management required
Burren - new management required
Clonduff - new management required
Mayobridge- new management - Bernie Murray??
CPN - new management required
Bredagh - new management required
Bryansford - new management required
Longstone - new management required

Must be a record for the top ten clubs in the county to have so much management activity in one off season..

Castlewellan ???
Ballyholland - new management - Shane Mulholland ???
Saul - new management - John Fegan
Downpatrick - new management required
Liatroim - will probably stick with current setup??
Saval - new management required
Shamrocks - will probably stick with DJ
Rostrevor - ??????
Glen - ???????
Drumgath - ????????

Anyone any updates on above?

At what stage are a lot of these clubs going to catch on that throwing money at the problem isn't going to get them past Kilcoo? What's the return on investment realistically. It's a big drain on club cash which could be better used to invest in facilities etc for the future.

I agree there is crazy money going around, however none more so than Kilcoo themselves of course in order to get to where they are. 2/3 outside men every year and in many cases travelling from Derry and now Donegal, Donaghey in doing S&C for years, stats woman from Donegal this past number of years all whilst investing in the club facilities. Money hasnt appeared to have been an object since they started to become successful right through to now. Its the same everywhere all over the Island. People talk about club coaches doing the job, in real terms with the pressure put on management and and fallouts within clubs and parents (yes parents at senior level) and teams etc, would they want to?

Kilcoo have been successful and they've invested in their grounds and facilities so you can't really question that. It's the chasing pack that are trying to copy them you'd ask questions of.

The in house club managers have their own issues but I'd say the number of players falling out with a clubman and the outside is about the same. The in house one may have a bigger affect long term though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 19, 2023, 06:17:04 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 18, 2023, 09:36:55 PMCarryduff ??
Loughinisland - new management - Conor OToole??
Kilcoo - new management required
Burren - new management required
Clonduff - new management required
Mayobridge- new management - Bernie Murray??
CPN - new management required
Bredagh - new management required
Bryansford - new management required
Longstone - new management required

Must be a record for the top ten clubs in the county to have so much management activity in one off season..

Castlewellan ???
Ballyholland - new management - Shane Mulholland ???
Saul - new management - John Fegan
Downpatrick - new management required
Liatroim - will probably stick with current setup??
Saval - new management required
Shamrocks - will probably stick with DJ
Rostrevor - ??????
Glen - ???????
Drumgath - ????????

Anyone any updates on above?

Downpatrick job gone to Duffin and McCrickard
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 19, 2023, 06:22:04 PM
Down football is falling down with coaches who can quickly spot and replicate the more negative sides of Kilcoo's game: how to form a blockade between your 21 and 25. How to endlessly recycle with patience. How to assign man markers who literally do nothing but man mark. How to wind up and leave sky digs on opponents. How to intimidate referees. How to appeal and jostle every county board decision. How to build a cloak of omertà around the team. Etc.

But despite all of their expensive support teams and specialists, and despite all of their infatuation with stupid statistics, and with even stupider GPS data, and despite all of their hours watching, dissecting then foisting the sheer boredom of club football videos upon everyone...... not one manager in the county seems to be able to get a handle on let alone replicate what makes Kilcoo so bloody good.

None of them have found a way to control momentum against Kilcoo; actually none of them have even found a way to negate Kilcoo's control of momentum. None of them seem to be able to stop Kane kicking the ball into an unmarked man in the right half back channel, even though this has been his bailout kick out for years. So nobody ever scores twice in a row against them. When teams do force Kilcoo into a mistake, it's almost a given that they'll then retreat and hug the life out of the ball for a couple of mins just to get a breather; the exact opposite of how Kilcoo behave in this situation, where they'll pile forward at multiple angles. When you have the ball and Kilcoo get you where they want you - endlessly recycling on the Kilcoo 45 - it never seems to dawn on anyone that this might be the correct time to load the square and make Kilcoo retreat to match up the numbers, and not just form a line with them across the 45, waiting for the inevitable dispossession.


I'm not saying that Kilcoo aren't better anyhow. They probably are. But by f**k wouldn't it be nice if one team in Down didn't just fall into their traps? Just once?

Management in Down club football is bluffery of the highest order. Absolute bluffery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 19, 2023, 06:34:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 19, 2023, 06:22:04 PMDown football is falling down with coaches who can quickly spot and replicate the more negative sides of Kilcoo's game: how to form a blockade between your 21 and 25. How to endlessly recycle with patience. How to assign man markers who literally do nothing but man mark. How to wind up and leave sky digs on opponents. How to intimidate referees. How to appeal and jostle every county board decision. How to build a cloak of omertà around the team. Etc.

But despite all of their expensive support teams and specialists, and despite all of their infatuation with stupid statistics, and with even stupider GPS data, and despite all of their hours watching, dissecting then foisting the sheer boredom of club football videos upon everyone...... not one manager in the county seems to be able to get a handle on let alone replicate what makes Kilcoo so bloody good.

None of them have found a way to control momentum against Kilcoo; actually none of them have even found a way to negate Kilcoo's control of momentum. None of them seem to be able to stop Kane kicking the ball into an unmarked man in the right half back channel, even though this has been his bailout kick out for years. So nobody ever scores twice in a row against them. When teams do force Kilcoo into a mistake, it's almost a given that they'll then retreat and hug the life out of the ball for a couple of mins just to get a breather; the exact opposite of how Kilcoo behave in this situation, where they'll pile forward at multiple angles. When you have the ball and Kilcoo get you where they want you - endlessly recycling on the Kilcoo 45 - it never seems to dawn on anyone that this might be the correct time to load the square and make Kilcoo retreat to match up the numbers, and not just form a line with them across the 45, waiting for the inevitable dispossession.


I'm not saying that Kilcoo aren't better anyhow. They probably are. But by f**k wouldn't it be nice if one team in Down didn't just fall into their traps? Just once?

Management in Down club football is bluffery of the highest order. Absolute bluffery.

We are good like 🏁
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 19, 2023, 06:57:03 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on October 19, 2023, 09:21:46 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 18, 2023, 09:36:55 PMCarryduff ??
Loughinisland - new management - Conor OToole??
Kilcoo - new management required
Burren - new management required
Clonduff - new management required
Mayobridge- new management - Bernie Murray??
CPN - new management required
Bredagh - new management required
Bryansford - new management required
Longstone - new management required

Must be a record for the top ten clubs in the county to have so much management activity in one off season..

Castlewellan ???
Ballyholland - new management - Shane Mulholland ???
Saul - new management - John Fegan
Downpatrick - new management required
Liatroim - will probably stick with current setup??
Saval - new management required
Shamrocks - will probably stick with DJ
Rostrevor - ??????
Glen - ???????
Drumgath - ????????

Anyone any updates on above?

Danny hughes in line for the Burren job
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 19, 2023, 09:34:47 PM
You will join Shane in the Harps this year then Wobbler? Sounds like you have the answers to overcome what nobody else can see? Sounds handy enough to be fair
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 19, 2023, 09:40:12 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on October 19, 2023, 09:34:47 PMYou will join Shane in the Harps this year then Wobbler? Sounds like you have the answers to overcome what nobody else can see? Sounds handy enough to be fair

I don't have any answers. They're just observations.

The gap between Kilcoo and everyone else is getting bigger.

And we, the clubs of Down, are paying men handsomely while this is happening.

Is this not a fair observation?

And if it is a fair observation, should we not be expecting more?




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 19, 2023, 10:45:54 PM
Fair to have an observation, mine would be that clubs do not present these management teams with players who have been invested in correctly or at least in the way that kilcoo have done. Through their juvenile playing careers they need to be moulded into athletes not just footballers and be tactically aware and of course coachable. Kilcoo isnt full of great footballers. They are the same as anyone else, some elite, some good and some average but whats different is their athletic ability, and their mentality and of course their ability to pay attention to detail even when it is to bend the rules in their favour or to mislead with regards to winning frees.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 19, 2023, 10:52:42 PM
We're lucky we have the hurling finals this weekend to offer a distraction from whatever is going on in football land.

Should be a great weekend. Looking forward to it.

Portaferry v Ballycran will hopefully offer a spectacle and hopefully at least one of our senior finals goes down without a hiccup.

Portaferry have gone well all year, despite droppings game to ballycran in the round robin. Honestly not much between the teams. Portaferry some top class forwards that will damage any defence. Will want to retain their title and show they are a better team than got manhandled by Slaughtneil in ulster last year.

Be interesting to see how Pearce Smyth gets on. Stephen Kieth seems as though he may be coming to the end of his county highs. Is it time to give Smyth a chance? Kieth has been a great servant to Down, and his greatest moment for me is the day he won the game for Down to put Offaly out of the Christy Ring. A real good man to have had. Unfortunately, last year Down's goal difference did nobody any favours. This is not Kieth's fault. We had a dismal year and you can't blame SK. When you lets teams like Laois through, it's hard for a keeper. We need to be ready for the future. Depending on how Smyth gets on tomorrow, he may be worth a shout. Seems to be a natural successor. For my two cents, Gary McMullan of Ballela should be in with a shout. He carried Ballela for most of the year, and whilst it is easy to say Ballea's habit of leaking goals is a massive problem, I really don't think a lot of that is McMullan's fault. He was the one constant in a poor year. His defence left him exposed constantly. Superb puck outs, too.

Anyway, that's for someone else to decide next year.

Ballycran, despite being exposed against Liatroim, would be my choice to lift the cup.

Have been on a good run all year. Will have the forwards to compete with Portaferry. Ben Arthurs is a dangerous man in front of the net in particular. Paul Sheehan obviously a massive coup for them. Was hesitant about how he would fare at the beginning of the year, but he really seems to have found his feet, no bother. I am sure he'll be hoping for nothing more than to add to his medal collection.

Who was the last person to have won junior, intermediate, and senior championship medals in Down? Must be a life time ago considering the lay of the land in the County?

Ballycran seem to have the defensive ability to deal with Portaferry, too. Anything I've seen of Conor Woods he's been on absolutely great form this year. His strike of a ball is phenomenal. Liam Savage, too seems to be on a good run.

Ultimately think when push comes to shove ballycran look stronger and fitter, too.

Arytom Gleason still with the Kircubbin men? I'm sure there was a lot of 'what ifs' watching Carlow in the Joe McDonagh this year. The man would be a good addition to any team.

Say Ballycran top Portaferry in most areas. They seem to have a bit of hunger more.

Liatroim be feeling hard done by that they're not there on Sunday. Would have been a great thing for South Down hurling, and would have been nice to see them win a double.

Is Calaon Taggart playing on Sunday? He's named for the Irish Squad as far as I know? Would be a big miss for Portaferry.

Difficult to see how either team will deal with Cushendall in November. The physicality Cushendall bring (and Slaughtneil for that matter) looks to be too much for any team in Down at the minute. Also have far better hurlers across the field it would seem. Hard to see past Cushendall winning well and setting up a final with Slaughtneil. I hope I am wrong on this, but Cushendall simply seem better.

We need to raise our standard in Down. Realistically, all teams are a good bit off of winning a senior ulster championship. If we want Down to do well, we want the clubs to do well. Simple as that. Honestly hard to see any senior club winning Ulster, though. Hopefully this changes. We need to be, generally, at a higher level.

But that's a discussion for a couple weeks away. Let's hope we have a good final on Sunday, and hope the weather is kinder to us than it was last year. Great the final is in Newry. Would encourage any football to take a run down and see what all the craic is about.

Should be a great weekend, either way.

Hopefully goes down better than the football did, any road.  :P

We've a great chance to redeem County Down in the nation's eye this weekend with a great spectacle. Best of luck to everyone involved. Do us proud.⬛️🟥

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on October 19, 2023, 10:56:54 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on October 19, 2023, 10:45:54 PMFair to have an observation, mine would be that clubs do not present these management teams with players who have been invested in correctly or at least in the way that kilcoo have done. Through their juvenile playing careers they need to be moulded into athletes not just footballers and be tactically aware and of course coachable. Kilcoo isnt full of great footballers. They are the same as anyone else, some elite, some good and some average but whats different is their athletic ability, and their mentality and of course their ability to pay attention to detail even when it is to bend the rules in their favour or to mislead with regards to winning frees.

Now now...serious rule bending to win by 9 points on Sunday to be fair to us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on October 19, 2023, 11:51:39 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 19, 2023, 09:40:12 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on October 19, 2023, 09:34:47 PMYou will join Shane in the Harps this year then Wobbler? Sounds like you have the answers to overcome what nobody else can see? Sounds handy enough to be fair

I don't have any answers. They're just observations.

The gap between Kilcoo and everyone else is getting bigger.

And we, the clubs of Down, are paying men handsomely while this is happening.

Is this not a fair observation?

And if it is a fair observation, should we not be expecting more?






Down football currently contains one of the best teams in all ireland . That other down clubs cant get close to them does not have to be a poor reflection on them teams or their management , it can also be that kilcoo are very good and are getting better. if they win ulster does that mean all ulster managers are bluffers too? how about if they win the all ireland again ? look at it from all sides instead of moaning or as the previous poster said get involved with your club management and do something for a few years and maybe you will change your view.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 20, 2023, 12:50:27 AM
Intermediate Final between Bredagh and Carryduff should be a very good game.

Not too often you see this South Belfast Derby in the hurling. I expect it to be a good show.

I always would have thought of Bredagh as being more of a hurling dominant club whilst Carryduff would be more of a football dominant club, but I would imagine Carryduff come away with the win on Saturday.

Bredagh have struggled badly this year. That devastating opening round loss to Liatroim really did set the tone for a poor season. Salvaging a win from Newry Shamrocks and beating Warrenpoint has done little to resolve the issues.

Donal Hughes has been a massive loss to them. So has Ronan Costello. It's been a hard year, but more minor success for Bredagh means I wouldn't despair too much. Bredagh will eventually win a senior hurling championship. Granted, we've been saying that for a couple of years, but surely you can't keep knocking on the door forever? With so much underage success, it's inevitable?

They'll not fear Carryduff, though. I honestly expected Carryduff to absolutely walk this championship. Whilst they've come out comfortable enough winners in every game, it hasn't been as handy as I was expecting.

Bredagh's competition will stand well to them. Carryduff have had nowhere near the same level to exposure of high level as Bredagh have this year. This may cause problems. Carryduff's forwards have been dangerous, but Bredagh have good defenders. Niall McFarland is, in my opinion, a great asset to any defence. Carryduff have very much seemed like they were destined to win this from the start, but will that complacency cause problems?

Despite all this, Carryduff should have enough to cross the line. They won the friendlies played at the start of the year, and seem to be in a better place than their neighbours at the minute.

These teams met last year in the Betsy Gray final. By all accounts, they both fielded very strong teams and went at it hammer and tongs with carryduff coming out on the better side.

Carryduff will be sick of being the bridesmaid for the past couple years, and it is hard to see anyone stopping them this time.

Either way, I would imagine whoever wins this will do quite well in Ulster. Would imagine Ulster will be between Down Champion, Middletown (Armagh), and Creggan (Antrim). Judging off the fact there was never that much between Carryduff and Liatroim, there is no reason why Carryduff should not win Ulster.

Would be great to see Carryduff win an All Ireland. Would do a lot to lift hurling in a part of Down that we could really tap in to. But let us not get ahead of ourselves.

Will be a tight battle, and Bredagh, despite the bad year they've had, are still a better hurling set up in my opinion. Carryduff have had some success at underage, but not yet on par with Bredagh (although I'm sure they will catch up). Their seconds team don't seem to be anywhere near as competitive this year as they were. Wonder what happened there. Despite this, based on current form, I expect Carryduff to come away with the win.

Will be another great showcase of hurling I hope. The whole north down/Belfast area is one which Down GAA is yet to properly tap into. It seems to be one which we could really benefit from. All three north down hurling teams are in a final this weekend (the other being East Belfast in the Junior Final)- this a great thing for Down. We have a large area of the county which thus far, hasn't really been tapped into. There is a lot of potential here. From a hurling perspective, we are also lucky it has not got a football tradition. We all know the problems with trying to establish hurling in places where football is king. We have a chance to promote both side by side in these areas we are only now starting to see develop into top tier clubs.

On that note, is there many dual players between Bredagh and Carryduff?

All in all, a unique game, and one which should offer a great evening's entertainment.







Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 20, 2023, 01:00:00 AM
Must be noted, it was a pity Ballela conceded their final game to Carryduff.

It's understandable why it happened, but it's an awful pity.

It's not good for anybody, but you have to feel for Ballela. A great, proud club. It's sad to see how they've fallen after winning back to back junior championships.

Came very close to folding this year.

Rely far too much on Johnny McCusker for scores. They need to develop other players. They seem to have a good crowd coming through- but how much of that is Ballyvarley and how much is Ballela?

Hope they recover next year. Would I be right in saying they didn't win a game all year?

Ballyvarley found themselves in this position in a couple of years ago, and seem to have come through it for the most part. Hopeuflly Ballela do the same.

Down needs to ensure the future of its clubs. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 20, 2023, 02:17:07 AM
If you had said to me at the start of the year, that it would come down to East Belfast and Kilclief in the Junior Final, I don't think I'd have believed you.

Think everybody sort of thought this belonged to Castlewellen and that was it. Be careful what you take for granted I suppose.

You would imagine Kilclief are firm favourites. They absolutely punished EB in the first round, and East Belfast were lucky to scrape a draw against a 13 man Ballyvarley with a last minute goal, whilst Kilclief did well to keep Castlewellen at bay.

Kiclief clearly the better team. They seem to have some great fellas coming through the ranks. Playing in Division One will have served them well. If we're being realistic, kilclief are probably an intermediate team, on par with clonduff/warrenpoint (and now, perhaps, Shamrocks). Still a long way off of being the dominant force they were 50 years ago, but they are going in a good direction it would seem.

East Belfast have it in them to beat Kilclief. In their first game, Kilclief slaughtered them in the first half,  but in the second half, East Belfast came and put a similar score on Kilclief. They have it in them to win.

Would be absolutely great to see East Belfast get a hurling championship after they went through the bomb threats, vandalism at their pitch etc., and it would be a great message to send to show how far we have come as a society.

Kilclief are a physical team, and looked to be the fittest in the championship. They are deadly from placed balls. Hard to know how you cope with that. At this level, that is enough to win plenty.

In saying that, Castlewellen and Ballyvarley did cope with Kilclief and were unlucky to lose in the end. East Belfast can do the same.

Don't know enough about who will be the winners's competition in Ulster (other than Killeavy), but you have to think either team could give it a bit of a rattle.

Will hopefully be a good game. Some great hurlers in both sides, but would imagine the fitness of kilclief will see them over the line.

Great to see East Belfast in a county final in only their third year of existence. Offers great hope to other sides. Some of the arguments against introducing hurling into parishes is because they'll only be getting beating after beating by more established teams, but East Belfast have shown it is possible to mix it with the rest of them. Some going on their behalf.

Would imagine there's a lot of disappointment in Castlewellen. They were convinced (as was everybody else) that they had this championship in the bag. Just goes to show...

What was it went wrong for them this year in the end? Did they believe their own hype too much? Will be very frustrated to not be in intermediate next year.

All the same, there definitely is a good hurling culture being developed around Castlewellen. They'll win a Junior Championship before long, and then, who knows. Hopefully their enthusiasm for the game spreads around the area.

Ballyvarley probably will feel they let something get away.

They were absolutely hammering kiclief when they played them, and let it slip, and were unlucky to not get a win after having two men sent off when EB got a goal with the last puck of the game to steal a draw. Will be hard to watch one of those team playing in the Intermediate next year, knowing they could have had the run of them.

But that's the nature of the championship. Both teams will have to regroup and come back next year.

I said at the start of the championship that the JHC would offer the best viewing for the neutral. I think I was right.

Wasn't thinking the year would pan out the way it did, but it's been great entertainment. Hopefully, there's a great final to see it out.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 20, 2023, 08:54:31 AM
Good insight there Splash..

On the senior game It will boil down to how well Portaferry handle Stuarty Martin and Chris Egan, Chris has had a tough week with his mum passing away so understandable if his head isn't in it. Big Arthurs did a good job on CT in last years final, if he can do the same on Sunday and prevent CT putting ball on a plate for the Portaferry forwards then I'd plump for the Crans. The Sands brothers and young McGrattan like to run onto a ball hit into space and not standing below it, at the same time Conor Woods could have his hands full with Finn Turpin, probably the pick of the young Portaferry guns coming up through the ranks and is looking good for a few starts for the county team.
Crans defence work well as a unit, but lack a bit of pace one on one, it's up to their forwards to make sure the ball in is high and long to give these defenders a chance to be there at the point of contact.

I'm slightly swaying towards the Crans as the pitches get softer, but do we have a referee for the weekends games or is it only Kilcoo games they'll be boycotting next year?


Intermediate I'd say Bredagh with Sean Hughes back fit, he's a big addition for them but Carryduff are confident going into this one, haven't seen them in a while so can't comment.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on October 20, 2023, 09:12:06 AM
With the Red High winning the Mageean a few years back, has the core of that team emerged as yet with the Ards teams in the SHC?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 20, 2023, 09:17:10 AM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on October 19, 2023, 10:56:54 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on October 19, 2023, 10:45:54 PMFair to have an observation, mine would be that clubs do not present these management teams with players who have been invested in correctly or at least in the way that kilcoo have done. Through their juvenile playing careers they need to be moulded into athletes not just footballers and be tactically aware and of course coachable. Kilcoo isnt full of great footballers. They are the same as anyone else, some elite, some good and some average but whats different is their athletic ability, and their mentality and of course their ability to pay attention to detail even when it is to bend the rules in their favour or to mislead with regards to winning frees.

Now now...serious rule bending to win by 9 points on Sunday to be fair to us


Think you miss the point, rule bending didnt win kilcoo a final by 9 points, they were the better much team on the day. Burren got it totally wrong on the day but credit to kilcoo (for the football side of things from the weekend).
The rule bending or more so just play acting is something that is embarrassingly engrossed in their game. Can argue the point that it works, most referees fall for it somehow (bar the one who funny enough was appealed against and a small minority more) and that there no direct rule against it, but obviously instructed go down and hold your head regardless of where you are tackled that is used by every single player in every single tackle is only what I said earlier, embarrassing. Fair play to them on the win,
Medals in pocket and will forever be in history for it, i just wish they had done so with some class instead (which i believe they would have) rather than the circus that goes around with them instead. When Mayobridge were winning a run of championships everyone wanted to beat them, but they were respected, not the same now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 20, 2023, 09:26:33 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 20, 2023, 09:12:06 AMWith the Red High winning the Mageean a few years back, has the core of that team emerged as yet with the Ards teams in the SHC?

Short answer is no.

Those lads would all still be 20/21, only Turpin to my mind has shown his mettle at senior club level on a consistent basis. Ciaran Savage is holding his own in fairness to him and starts for the Ports most days.
McGrattan has went a bit back this year, it'll take him a while to get going, Mallon may be a bit slow over the ground at the highest end of senior hurling club wise, Ports haven't really trusted him in a game of consequence as yet, O'Neill also from Portaferry has been blighted by injuries in fairness to him,  but for us Michael O'g Dorrian starts more often than not, but can do one good thing then do nothing for 20 minutes, his workrate just isn't there for me and evidently our management. The others in Ballygalget aren't putting in the required effort, get the odd 10 minutes here and there. Sadly one of the best man markers on that Red High team packed in the hurling, he's still about our place but doesn't play, but there's hope yet.

One of the Cunninghams from Castlewellan was as good as anyone on that team, not sure how he's getting on with their seniors.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 20, 2023, 09:40:05 AM
Really enjoy the breakdowns you provide Splash - Haven't the faintest idea about whats happening in hurling in the county myself, but gives a very nice insight into what's going on around the county with the small ball
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 20, 2023, 10:04:29 AM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on October 20, 2023, 09:17:10 AM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on October 19, 2023, 10:56:54 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on October 19, 2023, 10:45:54 PMFair to have an observation, mine would be that clubs do not present these management teams with players who have been invested in correctly or at least in the way that kilcoo have done. Through their juvenile playing careers they need to be moulded into athletes not just footballers and be tactically aware and of course coachable. Kilcoo isnt full of great footballers. They are the same as anyone else, some elite, some good and some average but whats different is their athletic ability, and their mentality and of course their ability to pay attention to detail even when it is to bend the rules in their favour or to mislead with regards to winning frees.

Now now...serious rule bending to win by 9 points on Sunday to be fair to us


Think you miss the point, rule bending didnt win kilcoo a final by 9 points, they were the better much team on the day. Burren got it totally wrong on the day but credit to kilcoo (for the football side of things from the weekend).
The rule bending or more so just play acting is something that is embarrassingly engrossed in their game. Can argue the point that it works, most referees fall for it somehow (bar the one who funny enough was appealed against and a small minority more) and that there no direct rule against it, but obviously instructed go down and hold your head regardless of where you are tackled that is used by every single player in every single tackle is only what I said earlier, embarrassing. Fair play to them on the win,
Medals in pocket and will forever be in history for it, i just wish they had done so with some class instead (which i believe they would have) rather than the circus that goes around with them instead. When Mayobridge were winning a run of championships everyone wanted to beat them, but they were respected, not the same now.

Aye, I think it's very sad that their name was carried through the mud this past week via national media channels.
The football prowess of this club should be what we remember them for, but it is being eclipsed by a few eejits who enjoy drama. I am sure the good Kilcoo folk (of which there are many) will stand up at an AGM and tell the decision-makers to catch themselves on. By acting foolishly, they have destroyed their reputation.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 20, 2023, 10:05:19 AM
Kilclief have the junior game in the bag after this;

AI winner (https://twitter.com/i/status/1715232928903373080)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Applesisapples on October 20, 2023, 10:40:16 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 19, 2023, 09:40:12 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on October 19, 2023, 09:34:47 PMYou will join Shane in the Harps this year then Wobbler? Sounds like you have the answers to overcome what nobody else can see? Sounds handy enough to be fair

I don't have any answers. They're just observations.

The gap between Kilcoo and everyone else is getting bigger.

And we, the clubs of Down, are paying men handsomely while this is happening.

Is this not a fair observation?

And if it is a fair observation, should we not be expecting more?





Not just in Down, in Armagh £25K plus being paid out to manage club teams that have little mission in winning the Championship, its always 80% likely to be Cross with a 20% chance of Clann Eireann, Maghery or this year Clan Na Gael.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 20, 2023, 10:51:03 AM
The primary problem would be trying to convince an insider to run a senior team within their own club. Burren and Clonduff are now looking for management. Do they have someone qualified to oversee these two significant club teams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on October 20, 2023, 11:15:36 AM
JHC Final postponed until 1:30pm Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 20, 2023, 11:27:02 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 20, 2023, 11:15:36 AMJHC Final postponed until 1:30pm Sunday.

Why so? To allow Jackie Tyrell time to get up from Kilkenny for the game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 20, 2023, 11:30:07 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 20, 2023, 11:27:02 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 20, 2023, 11:15:36 AMJHC Final postponed until 1:30pm Sunday.

Why so? To allow Jackie Tyrell time to get up from Kilkenny for the game?


Postponed due to the weather - Statement out on the Down socials. Game tomorrow is still on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 20, 2023, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 20, 2023, 11:30:07 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 20, 2023, 11:27:02 AM
Quote from: No1 on October 20, 2023, 11:15:36 AMJHC Final postponed until 1:30pm Sunday.

Why so? To allow Jackie Tyrell time to get up from Kilkenny for the game?


Postponed due to the weather - Statement out on the Down socials. Game tomorrow is still on

You'd fear for the pitch at this stage, a bunch of bullocks from the Highlands rampaging through it with wedges on Saturday afternoon followed by the Intermediate game, then for the junior final at 1:30 and senior game at 4pm...

It'll be in gullions as they say over here.

I'd be surprised if one of those games isn't moved before long if this weather keeps up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DearyMe on October 20, 2023, 11:47:16 AM
Quote from: Splash on October 20, 2023, 12:50:27 AMIntermediate Final between Bredagh and Carryduff should be a very good game.

Not too often you see this South Belfast Derby in the hurling. I expect it to be a good show.

I always would have thought of Bredagh as being more of a hurling dominant club whilst Carryduff would be more of a football dominant club, but I would imagine Carryduff come away with the win on Saturday.

Bredagh have struggled badly this year. That devastating opening round loss to Liatroim really did set the tone for a poor season. Salvaging a win from Newry Shamrocks and beating Warrenpoint has done little to resolve the issues.

Donal Hughes has been a massive loss to them. So has Ronan Costello. It's been a hard year, but more minor success for Bredagh means I wouldn't despair too much. Bredagh will eventually win a senior hurling championship. Granted, we've been saying that for a couple of years, but surely you can't keep knocking on the door forever? With so much underage success, it's inevitable?

They'll not fear Carryduff, though. I honestly expected Carryduff to absolutely walk this championship. Whilst they've come out comfortable enough winners in every game, it hasn't been as handy as I was expecting.

Bredagh's competition will stand well to them. Carryduff have had nowhere near the same level to exposure of high level as Bredagh have this year. This may cause problems. Carryduff's forwards have been dangerous, but Bredagh have good defenders. Niall McFarland is, in my opinion, a great asset to any defence. Carryduff have very much seemed like they were destined to win this from the start, but will that complacency cause problems?

Despite all this, Carryduff should have enough to cross the line. They won the friendlies played at the start of the year, and seem to be in a better place than their neighbours at the minute.

These teams met last year in the Betsy Gray final. By all accounts, they both fielded very strong teams and went at it hammer and tongs with carryduff coming out on the better side.

Carryduff will be sick of being the bridesmaid for the past couple years, and it is hard to see anyone stopping them this time.

Either way, I would imagine whoever wins this will do quite well in Ulster. Would imagine Ulster will be between Down Champion, Middletown (Armagh), and Creggan (Antrim). Judging off the fact there was never that much between Carryduff and Liatroim, there is no reason why Carryduff should not win Ulster.

Would be great to see Carryduff win an All Ireland. Would do a lot to lift hurling in a part of Down that we could really tap in to. But let us not get ahead of ourselves.

Will be a tight battle, and Bredagh, despite the bad year they've had, are still a better hurling set up in my opinion. Carryduff have had some success at underage, but not yet on par with Bredagh (although I'm sure they will catch up). Their seconds team don't seem to be anywhere near as competitive this year as they were. Wonder what happened there. Despite this, based on current form, I expect Carryduff to come away with the win.

Will be another great showcase of hurling I hope. The whole north down/Belfast area is one which Down GAA is yet to properly tap into. It seems to be one which we could really benefit from. All three north down hurling teams are in a final this weekend (the other being East Belfast in the Junior Final)- this a great thing for Down. We have a large area of the county which thus far, hasn't really been tapped into. There is a lot of potential here. From a hurling perspective, we are also lucky it has not got a football tradition. We all know the problems with trying to establish hurling in places where football is king. We have a chance to promote both side by side in these areas we are only now starting to see develop into top tier clubs.

On that note, is there many dual players between Bredagh and Carryduff?

All in all, a unique game, and one which should offer a great evening's entertainment.









Very good Splash, and not a lot to disagree with other than the outcome me thinks.  I think Carryduff have been struggling with a few injuries the last 4 weeks or so, they really have had to dig into their squad.  I also think they were better at the beginning of the season.  Bredagh have indeed been dealt a few blows this year, but its going to be a competitive one, looking forward to it!  I have Bredagh as winners but just!  Expect it to be a very tight affair.  Added interest is that both managers hail from the same club in Antrim and possibly played together at senior level. All the more intriguing!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 20, 2023, 12:02:50 PM
Quote from: DearyMe on October 20, 2023, 11:47:16 AM
Quote from: Splash on October 20, 2023, 12:50:27 AMIntermediate Final between Bredagh and Carryduff should be a very good game.

Not too often you see this South Belfast Derby in the hurling. I expect it to be a good show.

I always would have thought of Bredagh as being more of a hurling dominant club whilst Carryduff would be more of a football dominant club, but I would imagine Carryduff come away with the win on Saturday.

Bredagh have struggled badly this year. That devastating opening round loss to Liatroim really did set the tone for a poor season. Salvaging a win from Newry Shamrocks and beating Warrenpoint has done little to resolve the issues.

Donal Hughes has been a massive loss to them. So has Ronan Costello. It's been a hard year, but more minor success for Bredagh means I wouldn't despair too much. Bredagh will eventually win a senior hurling championship. Granted, we've been saying that for a couple of years, but surely you can't keep knocking on the door forever? With so much underage success, it's inevitable?

They'll not fear Carryduff, though. I honestly expected Carryduff to absolutely walk this championship. Whilst they've come out comfortable enough winners in every game, it hasn't been as handy as I was expecting.

Bredagh's competition will stand well to them. Carryduff have had nowhere near the same level to exposure of high level as Bredagh have this year. This may cause problems. Carryduff's forwards have been dangerous, but Bredagh have good defenders. Niall McFarland is, in my opinion, a great asset to any defence. Carryduff have very much seemed like they were destined to win this from the start, but will that complacency cause problems?

Despite all this, Carryduff should have enough to cross the line. They won the friendlies played at the start of the year, and seem to be in a better place than their neighbours at the minute.

These teams met last year in the Betsy Gray final. By all accounts, they both fielded very strong teams and went at it hammer and tongs with carryduff coming out on the better side.

Carryduff will be sick of being the bridesmaid for the past couple years, and it is hard to see anyone stopping them this time.

Either way, I would imagine whoever wins this will do quite well in Ulster. Would imagine Ulster will be between Down Champion, Middletown (Armagh), and Creggan (Antrim). Judging off the fact there was never that much between Carryduff and Liatroim, there is no reason why Carryduff should not win Ulster.

Would be great to see Carryduff win an All Ireland. Would do a lot to lift hurling in a part of Down that we could really tap in to. But let us not get ahead of ourselves.

Will be a tight battle, and Bredagh, despite the bad year they've had, are still a better hurling set up in my opinion. Carryduff have had some success at underage, but not yet on par with Bredagh (although I'm sure they will catch up). Their seconds team don't seem to be anywhere near as competitive this year as they were. Wonder what happened there. Despite this, based on current form, I expect Carryduff to come away with the win.

Will be another great showcase of hurling I hope. The whole north down/Belfast area is one which Down GAA is yet to properly tap into. It seems to be one which we could really benefit from. All three north down hurling teams are in a final this weekend (the other being East Belfast in the Junior Final)- this a great thing for Down. We have a large area of the county which thus far, hasn't really been tapped into. There is a lot of potential here. From a hurling perspective, we are also lucky it has not got a football tradition. We all know the problems with trying to establish hurling in places where football is king. We have a chance to promote both side by side in these areas we are only now starting to see develop into top tier clubs.

On that note, is there many dual players between Bredagh and Carryduff?

All in all, a unique game, and one which should offer a great evening's entertainment.









Very good Splash, and not a lot to disagree with other than the outcome me thinks.  I think Carryduff have been struggling with a few injuries the last 4 weeks or so, they really have had to dig into their squad.  I also think they were better at the beginning of the season.  Bredagh have indeed been dealt a few blows this year, but its going to be a competitive one, looking forward to it!  I have Bredagh as winners but just!  Expect it to be a very tight affair.  Added interest is that both managers hail from the same club in Antrim and possibly played together at senior level. All the more intriguing!!!

Noticed big Anton along the line for Carryduff, who's with Bredagh? I thought it was one of their own lads I see at a lot of juvenile games.

Also noticed Liatroim camogs had big Donal Nugent with them on Sunday, must be plenty of money generated from the Festival for all those outgoings!

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DearyMe on October 20, 2023, 12:23:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 19, 2023, 06:22:04 PMDown football is falling down with coaches who can quickly spot and replicate the more negative sides of Kilcoo's game: how to form a blockade between your 21 and 25. How to endlessly recycle with patience. How to assign man markers who literally do nothing but man mark. How to wind up and leave sky digs on opponents. How to intimidate referees. How to appeal and jostle every county board decision. How to build a cloak of omertà around the team. Etc.

But despite all of their expensive support teams and specialists, and despite all of their infatuation with stupid statistics, and with even stupider GPS data, and despite all of their hours watching, dissecting then foisting the sheer boredom of club football videos upon everyone...... not one manager in the county seems to be able to get a handle on let alone replicate what makes Kilcoo so bloody good.

None of them have found a way to control momentum against Kilcoo; actually none of them have even found a way to negate Kilcoo's control of momentum. None of them seem to be able to stop Kane kicking the ball into an unmarked man in the right half back channel, even though this has been his bailout kick out for years. So nobody ever scores twice in a row against them. When teams do force Kilcoo into a mistake, it's almost a given that they'll then retreat and hug the life out of the ball for a couple of mins just to get a breather; the exact opposite of how Kilcoo behave in this situation, where they'll pile forward at multiple angles. When you have the ball and Kilcoo get you where they want you - endlessly recycling on the Kilcoo 45 - it never seems to dawn on anyone that this might be the correct time to load the square and make Kilcoo retreat to match up the numbers, and not just form a line with them across the 45, waiting for the inevitable dispossession.


I'm not saying that Kilcoo aren't better anyhow. They probably are. But by f**k wouldn't it be nice if one team in Down didn't just fall into their traps? Just once?

Management in Down club football is bluffery of the highest order. Absolute bluffery.

Great last line - while everyone can put their own spin on progress - the 'circuit' as its now called, knows no boundaries!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on October 20, 2023, 04:45:58 PM
Quote from: DearyMe on October 20, 2023, 12:23:36 PMGreat last line - while everyone can put their own spin on progress - the 'circuit' as its now called, knows no boundaries!

Have you or wobbler a solution or is this just a platform to Moan ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 20, 2023, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: DearyMe on October 20, 2023, 12:23:36 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 19, 2023, 06:22:04 PMDown football is falling down with coaches who can quickly spot and replicate the more negative sides of Kilcoo's game: how to form a blockade between your 21 and 25. How to endlessly recycle with patience. How to assign man markers who literally do nothing but man mark. How to wind up and leave sky digs on opponents. How to intimidate referees. How to appeal and jostle every county board decision. How to build a cloak of omertà around the team. Etc.

But despite all of their expensive support teams and specialists, and despite all of their infatuation with stupid statistics, and with even stupider GPS data, and despite all of their hours watching, dissecting then foisting the sheer boredom of club football videos upon everyone...... not one manager in the county seems to be able to get a handle on let alone replicate what makes Kilcoo so bloody good.

None of them have found a way to control momentum against Kilcoo; actually none of them have even found a way to negate Kilcoo's control of momentum. None of them seem to be able to stop Kane kicking the ball into an unmarked man in the right half back channel, even though this has been his bailout kick out for years. So nobody ever scores twice in a row against them. When teams do force Kilcoo into a mistake, it's almost a given that they'll then retreat and hug the life out of the ball for a couple of mins just to get a breather; the exact opposite of how Kilcoo behave in this situation, where they'll pile forward at multiple angles. When you have the ball and Kilcoo get you where they want you - endlessly recycling on the Kilcoo 45 - it never seems to dawn on anyone that this might be the correct time to load the square and make Kilcoo retreat to match up the numbers, and not just form a line with them across the 45, waiting for the inevitable dispossession.


I'm not saying that Kilcoo aren't better anyhow. They probably are. But by f**k wouldn't it be nice if one team in Down didn't just fall into their traps? Just once?

Management in Down club football is bluffery of the highest order. Absolute bluffery.

Great last line - while everyone can put their own spin on progress - the 'circuit' as its now called, knows no boundaries!

So, what about the managers in Down below Division 1 and the Senior Championship. Those who are trying to progress 'smaller' clubs. Thos who are taking a newly promoted Division 3 team to mid Division 2 finish? Or those who take a team to a first IFC title in over 20 years? Surely they are not all bluffers. I usually agree with a lot of what you say Wobbler, but it seems you have disdain towards any 'modern coach'. Perhaps the challenging pack (to Kilcoo) are indeed wasting time, effort and money on management setups, but surely there is good work going on further down the chain?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 20, 2023, 07:53:05 PM
So, what about the managers in Down below Division 1 and the Senior Championship

Ha! Peasants! Unworthy of the gravy train or discussion amongst the huge collective mind on this forum!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 21, 2023, 01:05:45 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on October 20, 2023, 09:40:05 AMReally enjoy the breakdowns you provide Splash - Haven't the faintest idea about whats happening in hurling in the county myself, but gives a very nice insight into what's going on around the county with the small ball

Have to keep the hurling as relevant as the football somehow, Mourne Red.  ;D

It's the only way we will ever get anywhere as a county.

Every Down man that takes any interest in the small ball is a great addition to the county's hurling community. ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 21, 2023, 01:13:30 AM
Quote from: DearyMe on October 20, 2023, 11:47:16 AM
Quote from: Splash on October 20, 2023, 12:50:27 AMIntermediate Final between Bredagh and Carryduff should be a very good game.

Not too often you see this South Belfast Derby in the hurling. I expect it to be a good show.

I always would have thought of Bredagh as being more of a hurling dominant club whilst Carryduff would be more of a football dominant club, but I would imagine Carryduff come away with the win on Saturday.

Bredagh have struggled badly this year. That devastating opening round loss to Liatroim really did set the tone for a poor season. Salvaging a win from Newry Shamrocks and beating Warrenpoint has done little to resolve the issues.

Donal Hughes has been a massive loss to them. So has Ronan Costello. It's been a hard year, but more minor success for Bredagh means I wouldn't despair too much. Bredagh will eventually win a senior hurling championship. Granted, we've been saying that for a couple of years, but surely you can't keep knocking on the door forever? With so much underage success, it's inevitable?

They'll not fear Carryduff, though. I honestly expected Carryduff to absolutely walk this championship. Whilst they've come out comfortable enough winners in every game, it hasn't been as handy as I was expecting.

Bredagh's competition will stand well to them. Carryduff have had nowhere near the same level to exposure of high level as Bredagh have this year. This may cause problems. Carryduff's forwards have been dangerous, but Bredagh have good defenders. Niall McFarland is, in my opinion, a great asset to any defence. Carryduff have very much seemed like they were destined to win this from the start, but will that complacency cause problems?

Despite all this, Carryduff should have enough to cross the line. They won the friendlies played at the start of the year, and seem to be in a better place than their neighbours at the minute.

These teams met last year in the Betsy Gray final. By all accounts, they both fielded very strong teams and went at it hammer and tongs with carryduff coming out on the better side.

Carryduff will be sick of being the bridesmaid for the past couple years, and it is hard to see anyone stopping them this time.

Either way, I would imagine whoever wins this will do quite well in Ulster. Would imagine Ulster will be between Down Champion, Middletown (Armagh), and Creggan (Antrim). Judging off the fact there was never that much between Carryduff and Liatroim, there is no reason why Carryduff should not win Ulster.

Would be great to see Carryduff win an All Ireland. Would do a lot to lift hurling in a part of Down that we could really tap in to. But let us not get ahead of ourselves.

Will be a tight battle, and Bredagh, despite the bad year they've had, are still a better hurling set up in my opinion. Carryduff have had some success at underage, but not yet on par with Bredagh (although I'm sure they will catch up). Their seconds team don't seem to be anywhere near as competitive this year as they were. Wonder what happened there. Despite this, based on current form, I expect Carryduff to come away with the win.

Will be another great showcase of hurling I hope. The whole north down/Belfast area is one which Down GAA is yet to properly tap into. It seems to be one which we could really benefit from. All three north down hurling teams are in a final this weekend (the other being East Belfast in the Junior Final)- this a great thing for Down. We have a large area of the county which thus far, hasn't really been tapped into. There is a lot of potential here. From a hurling perspective, we are also lucky it has not got a football tradition. We all know the problems with trying to establish hurling in places where football is king. We have a chance to promote both side by side in these areas we are only now starting to see develop into top tier clubs.

On that note, is there many dual players between Bredagh and Carryduff?

All in all, a unique game, and one which should offer a great evening's entertainment.









Very good Splash, and not a lot to disagree with other than the outcome me thinks.  I think Carryduff have been struggling with a few injuries the last 4 weeks or so, they really have had to dig into their squad.  I also think they were better at the beginning of the season.  Bredagh have indeed been dealt a few blows this year, but its going to be a competitive one, looking forward to it!  I have Bredagh as winners but just!  Expect it to be a very tight affair.  Added interest is that both managers hail from the same club in Antrim and possibly played together at senior level. All the more intriguing!!!

Interesting point there on Carryduff's injury woes.

Their Reserves Team seems to have struggled massively this season. If they are depending on reaching into a squad that struggled against Castlewellen and Ballyvarley in the league, they may be in trouble when they come up against a Bredagh side which has been operating at a higher level all year.

Wonder is there a good hurling culture being built in the community, or is this a crop of talented players? Underage success would obviously imply hurling is on the up in the Duff, but maybe just not at the level yet where they will survive long term in the Senior Championship?

Despite this, I think the hunger Carryduff will have, and the regret of losing out to Shamrocks and Liatroim in previous years, will spur them on and they should get over the line.

I have no horse in the race. Just looking forward to a good game between two good teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 21, 2023, 01:41:44 AM

Quote from: johnnycool on October 20, 2023, 09:26:33 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on October 20, 2023, 09:12:06 AMWith the Red High winning the Mageean a few years back, has the core of that team emerged as yet with the Ards teams in the SHC?

Short answer is no.

Those lads would all still be 20/21, only Turpin to my mind has shown his mettle at senior club level on a consistent basis. Ciaran Savage is holding his own in fairness to him and starts for the Ports most days.
McGrattan has went a bit back this year, it'll take him a while to get going, Mallon may be a bit slow over the ground at the highest end of senior hurling club wise, Ports haven't really trusted him in a game of consequence as yet, O'Neill also from Portaferry has been blighted by injuries in fairness to him,  but for us Michael O'g Dorrian starts more often than not, but can do one good thing then do nothing for 20 minutes, his workrate just isn't there for me and evidently our management. The others in Ballygalget aren't putting in the required effort, get the odd 10 minutes here and there. Sadly one of the best man markers on that Red High team packed in the hurling, he's still about our place but doesn't play, but there's hope yet.

One of the Cunninghams from Castlewellan was as good as anyone on that team, not sure how he's getting on with their seniors.

Any idea how the An Dún squad that won Mageen a few years before are getting on now, Johnny? There were some good hurlers in that squad that would be of an age they could have broken into the senior squad now I'd have thought.

Pity that An Dún sort of disappeared. Suppose the success of the Red High made up for it, but was good to give lads an opportunity to win something with their county that, something they may not have had the chance to do otherwise. Believe the An Dún squad had players from Shamrocks, Castlewellen, Ballyvarley, etc.

Something we probably don't talk enough about in Down is the problem we face with our schools. This probably goes for football, too, although it's definitely not as much as problem considering St Colman's dominance of the Hogan Cup and the Abbey having had their moments, too.

Schools can act as a stepping stone between club scene and county scene. It's a chance for lads to get their first exposure to that next level.

The Red High obviously have won a Mageen, and Knock seem to be making progress.

But what is the situation in the College, the Abbey, Aquinas, etc.? Schools are a good opportunity to introduce hurling to lads who come from footballing parishes.

It is no secret how many Kilkenny men have developed their skills in St Ciaran's. Obviously, we are a long, long way off that, but fundamentally, we want to be moving in that direction.

Perhaps talking about schools' competition in such a manner makes it seem very intense and driven. This isn't the intention. Whilst we should want to see hurlers develop across the county to the best of their abilities, we should remember the primary reason anybody starts hurling is for the enjoyment of it.

It is worth saying, that university is another level and the next stepping stone, and ideally, we should want the universities in Belfast competing at the Fitzgibbon level, but no doubt that's a discussion for us to have a couple of weeks down the line  :D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 21, 2023, 02:07:33 AM
Quick word on the International Rules with the Scots tomorrow.

A wild strong Irish Squad. Peter Duggan, Padraig Walsh, Neil McManus, etc. David Fitzgerald (who I think at one point, people were saying was a potential player of the year candidate). Didn't realise so many players from McCarthy Cup teams would be playing.

The likes of Eoghan Cahill of Offaly and Paddy Purcell of Laois are as good of players as anyone else in Ireland, and make the Irish team look incredibly formidable.

Also great to see players from counties like Monaghan, Roscommon, and Fermanagh represented.

My only grievance would be the lack of Down men. Given our poor year, though, this is understandable. Calaon Taggart was meant to be involved- is he still, or has he focused on Portaferry?

No reason Ireland shouldn't win. The shinty men will probably be as uncomfortable with the rules as the Irish lads.

Will have to brush up on the rules before it. Obviously not being allowed to handle the ball is the big one, but I don't think you're allowed to kick the ball in shinty?  If I was playing that would be a headache.

Seen a photo of Peter Duggan and one of the Scottish players stood side by side. Mad the size difference. Will Ireland physically deal with Scotland?

I don't know much about Shinty, would love to give it a go. Will be interesting. Not expecting the most gracious of games, but should be some good old fashioned 'pull on it.'

Great honour for any man to play for Ireland. May as well win this seeing as the rugby's out of the question.  :o

Not a Down man, but great to see Neil McManus the captain. Every little bit for Ulster hurling is a good thing.

I would imagine, given the nature of the game, the field will be destroyed. By the time of the senior game on Sunday, there may be no field left. All adds to the drama, sure.

Wonder why Newry was chosen to host it? Assuming it's because it's easy reached from all over Ireland, and isn't that far a travel from the docks or the airport? Assuming the size of the crowd in Newry will be more flattering than a crowd in Thurles or Cork would have been?

Could be wrong but don't believe Shinty is really all that popular in Scotland outside of a few, niche areas? Wouldn't be on par with hurling in Ireland I don't think?

Should be a good days craic. Went over to play against a crowd in Glasgow once. Great experience.

If anybody asks tomorrow, the Home of Hurling isn't Thurles- it's Newry!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on October 21, 2023, 01:05:38 PM
I like hurling as much as the next person splash . The essays you are writing not so much
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 21, 2023, 01:21:41 PM
Quote from: skat man on October 21, 2023, 01:05:38 PMI like hurling as much as the next person splash . The essays you are writing not so much

Then don't read them. Plenty others on here enjoy the bit of a narrative and info.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 21, 2023, 01:35:32 PM
Quote from: skat man on October 21, 2023, 01:05:38 PMI like hurling as much as the next person splash . The essays you are writing not so much

Feel free to not read them.

I think a couple of posts about the lay of the land in the hurling world breaks up the constant bickering about the state of the football scene and the 'what to do about Kilcoo' posts, personally. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on October 21, 2023, 02:21:46 PM
Any names of players who have been asked into the county training panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 21, 2023, 02:30:56 PM

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Noticed big Anton along the line for Carryduff, who's with Bredagh? I thought it was one of their own lads I see at a lot of juvenile games.

Also noticed Liatroim camogs had big Donal Nugent with them on Sunday, must be plenty of money generated from the Festival for all those outgoings!


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My good friend/club mate/coach/manager over the years

Donal Sheehan

Donal has plenty pedigree and his young lad on the team also..

From seeing both teams I'd say Carryduff had the better games in the Antrim divisions, Bredagh have missed a few players this year for various reasons. Will be close but someone from Naomh Gall will manage the winners
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 21, 2023, 05:25:13 PM

Noticed big Anton along the line for Carryduff, who's with Bredagh? I thought it was one of their own lads I see at a lot of juvenile games.

Also noticed Liatroim camogs had big Donal Nugent with them on Sunday, must be plenty of money generated from the Festival for all those outgoings!


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My good friend/club mate/coach/manager over the years

Donal Sheehan

Donal has plenty pedigree and his young lad on the team also..

From seeing both teams I'd say Carryduff had the better games in the Antrim divisions, Bredagh have missed a few players this year for various reasons. Will be close but someone from Naomh Gall will manage the winners
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Noticed big Anton along the line for Carryduff, who's with Bredagh? I thought it was one of their own lads I see at a lot of juvenile games.

Also noticed Liatroim camogs had big Donal Nugent with them on Sunday, must be plenty of money generated from the Festival for all those outgoings!


[/quote]

My good friend/club mate/coach/manager over the years

Donal Sheehan

Donal has plenty pedigree and his young lad on the team also..

From seeing both teams I'd say Carryduff had the better games in the Antrim divisions, Bredagh have missed a few players this year for various reasons. Will be close but someone from Naomh Gall will manage the winners
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A sound bloke to boot MR.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeYourGoals88 on October 21, 2023, 05:55:11 PM
Is there a list of Div 3 and Div 4 Vacancies?? An Dún Abú
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on October 21, 2023, 06:32:32 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 21, 2023, 01:21:41 PM
Quote from: skat man on October 21, 2023, 01:05:38 PMI like hurling as much as the next person splash . The essays you are writing not so much

Then don't read them. Plenty others on here enjoy the bit of a narrative and info.

Maybe starting a hurling topic on main page might be an idea instead of having to scroll past essays and quotes of essays
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 21, 2023, 06:33:44 PM
Thread is called Down Club HURLING and Football for a reason. Keep them coming Splash
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 21, 2023, 07:52:21 PM
Quote from: skat man on October 21, 2023, 06:32:32 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 21, 2023, 01:21:41 PM
Quote from: skat man on October 21, 2023, 01:05:38 PMI like hurling as much as the next person splash . The essays you are writing not so much

Then don't read them. Plenty others on here enjoy the bit of a narrative and info.

Maybe starting a hurling topic on main page might be an idea instead of having to scroll past essays and quotes of essays

Maybe start a thread called "division 1 Down club football" if that's all you want to read about. That should save you a huge amount of time each day moving your thumb slightly to scroll past a few posts.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 21, 2023, 08:47:45 PM
I've enjoyed the hurling contributions recently. Definitely a welcome addition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 21, 2023, 08:52:49 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 21, 2023, 08:47:45 PMI've enjoyed the hurling contributions recently. Definitely a welcome addition.

Me too.

I don't have much of an interest in hurling matters but these "essays" keep me kind of up to date
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 21, 2023, 09:57:58 PM
Quote from: skat man on October 21, 2023, 06:32:32 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 21, 2023, 01:21:41 PM
Quote from: skat man on October 21, 2023, 01:05:38 PMI like hurling as much as the next person splash . The essays you are writing not so much

Then don't read them. Plenty others on here enjoy the bit of a narrative and info.

Maybe starting a hurling topic on main page might be an idea instead of having to scroll past essays and quotes of essays

Why on earth would anyone do that when there is a thread dedicated to hurling and football already?

Nobody is forcing you to read this thread.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 21, 2023, 10:01:33 PM
Quote from: TakeYourGoals88 on October 21, 2023, 05:55:11 PMIs there a list of Div 3 and Div 4 Vacancies?? An Dún Abú

Check with S.Poacher2012.
He'll soon be fishing in those ponds.
Been thru most of the top two divisions now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: restorepride on October 21, 2023, 10:22:50 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 21, 2023, 08:47:45 PMI've enjoyed the hurling contributions recently. Definitely a welcome addition.
As have I - very informative.  Maith thú.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 22, 2023, 12:52:56 AM
Splash, love your posts, oh Breadah Abu.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 22, 2023, 01:32:54 AM
Glad to hear that yous are all enjoying a bit of hurling discussion. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2023, 11:31:36 AM
Quote from: Splash on October 22, 2023, 01:32:54 AMGlad to hear that yous are all enjoying a bit of hurling discussion. 

Who's ref'ing the final today? Not uncommon for an Antrim man to step in for these games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 22, 2023, 12:28:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2023, 11:31:36 AM
Quote from: Splash on October 22, 2023, 01:32:54 AMGlad to hear that yous are all enjoying a bit of hurling discussion. 

Who's ref'ing the final today? Not uncommon for an Antrim man to step in for these games

Still waiting on a decision from Kilcoo.
😁
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 22, 2023, 05:49:30 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 22, 2023, 11:31:36 AM
Quote from: Splash on October 22, 2023, 01:32:54 AMGlad to hear that yous are all enjoying a bit of hurling discussion. 

Who's ref'ing the final today? Not uncommon for an Antrim man to step in for these games

Kieran Rice from the Point for the Junior Final.

Peter Owens from Liatroim in the Senior Final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 23, 2023, 02:03:35 AM
Great weekend of hurling action and a great way to round out the season.

Hurling post incoming.

Scat, that may be your cue to get ready to scroll.  :o 

How's that football thread coming along by the way?

Anyroad.

Portaferry go back to back, edging out Ballycran in a hugely entertaining game. Probably the best championship game I've seen all season.

Two, great, evenly matched teams just going hammer and tongs against each other, with each one throwing everything they had at the other to try and keep them down. When it came down to it, simply was Portaferry were the better team on the day. Won the ball at key moments, and were able to deliver it to the key spots to win vital scores. 

Personally thought Ciaran Savage was great for them, today. Seemed to always know where to be in the right place at the right time.

Not much to fault Ballycran on, to be fair to them. Maybe weren't as dominant in the ruck towards the end which allowed Portaferry to win ball and clear it. But at the end of the day, could have easily gone Ballycran's way. You win some, you lose some. This was just Portaferry's day.

Conor Woods for me was the man of the match. Single handedly dragged the Crans back into it when they slipped behind. Was everywhere, and was extremely safe under the high ball. Very accurate sharp-shooter, too.

Was great to see full back, Tom Murray, come up the field and get the long-range score in the 60th minute to push the Ports out of Ballycran's reach. Wasn't supporting Portaferry. Just great to see a player in the full back line in a moment like that. Cant be letting the forwards get all the credit.  ::)

Interesting point for me was Ballycran looked like a stronger, more physical team, but Portaferry weren't troubled by this. Cushendall in the Ulster Championship will be bigger and more physical again, but will be interesting to see if Portaferry can find away around this.

Best of luck to the Ports in Ulster. Last year didn't do them justice. They're a better team than that match against Slaughtneil showed. Hope they go on a good run.


Bredagh dismantling Carryduff in the Intermediate Final was the shock of the weekend for me.

Hadn't seen Carryduff play in a while, but didn't look as comfortable as they had earlier in the year.

Bredagh simply outplayed them in every area. Bredagh were a stronger and more explosive team, and Carryduff didn't seem to be able to cope with it. Bredagh looked to be, in general, in better nick than their opposition. Playing Ballycran and Portaferry for the past couple of weeks will do that to you, I suppose.

Niall McFarland, Sean Hughes, and Conor Costello all were in good form for Bredagh. Joe Hanrahan in midfield looked like a serious hurler. Is he in the Down squad?

Conall Early was the only man for the Duff who really looked like he'd up to hurling at an inter-county level at the minute. Granted, though, a lot of players, especially the forwards, found it hard to get on the ball, so it's probably not fair to say that.

Had to feel for Carryduff. They never really got going. Judging off the rest of their performances, I'm sure they're a better team than that showed. Be interesting to see how they cope in the Senior Championship.

The scary thing about Bredagh is they looked like they still had a lot in the tank. Have rumours of their demise been greatly exaggerated? They looked like they still had another level in them. Some of the subs they brought on had serious skill, too.

Best of luck to Bredagh in Ulster. If they play like they did last night they'll go on a good run.

The future looks bright on the Ravenhill Road.


Not a heap to be said on the Junior Final.

Kilclief were simply a better team.

East Belfast were competitive in the first half. Couple good goals kept the game close. But Kilclief always looked comfortable enough.

9 points is a comfortable win, but if I was East Belfast, I wouldn't be too disheartened by it. It's definitely not a thumping. The resilience of East Belfast GAA is well documented. Not bad going to reach a county final after such a short period of existence. 

Kilclief had some good players on show today. Stefan McGrattan in particular. Fintan Conway would be what age now? Still winning county titles, anyway. Fair play to him. 

East Belfast some good players, too. Brendan McGarry got them out of trouble a few times. Joe McClemments solid in nets.

Be interesting to see where the teams go from here. Playing in Div 1 has clearly been a benefit to kilclief, and they looked like they could be competitive in the Intermediate next year considering Bredagh and Carryduff will be in Senior, but hear a  couple lads are heading Down Under? Will this fracture the Strangford men or can they adapt?

East Belfast manager said in interview most of the team is the wrong side of 30. Obviously they don't have the underage structures to draw from yet- be interesting to see how they deal with this. Reaching a county final probably makes them a more attractive club for people looking to join a team in Belfast. They've shown they can stand their own ground at this level.

Best of luck to kilclief on their ulster campaign. Judging from today, they have the quality to go on a good Ulster run.


The Ireland game was good viewing, too. Far better quality game than I was anticipating. That shinty looks like it would be some craic. Very well run, very well handled, and great to see Ireland get the win. Who needs the Rugby World Cup when we beat Scotland in the International Rules?  ;)

Was great to have it held in Newry. Really added a bit of buzz to our hurling finals weekend. Fair play to everyone involved.

Great to see a couple lads from bigger hurling counties in Newry. They brought a good crowd with them, too. Peter Duggan and Tom Monaghan were unreal in particular.

Begs the question, when Down eventually get back to Division One, what are we going to do when we come up against a team full of players of that quality?

We'll cross that bridge when we win the Joe McDonagh, sure.  :-X


All in all, an absolute great weekend of hurling. County Board handled it very well, which was great to see after the whole football fiasco last week.

Hope a few followers of the big ball got a chance to catch some of the games when they were being held half-local. Particularly that Senior Championship final. Don't know how you couldn't enjoy hurling after watching a game as epic as that one.

A great couple days for Down Hurling.

Best of luck now to all our Champions in Ulster and the All Ireland series. You'll do us proud, no doubt.

Looking forward to the break now until the leagues start back up and we go with our armchair hurling commentary again.

Hope that yous have enjoyed the hurling discussions on the thread this season, and glad to hear that some people who maybe didn't have the biggest insight as to what was going on in the hurling world have found the discussions somewhat informative.

Down Hurling is going in the right direction. Let's be behind it every step of the way.

An Dún abú. ⬛️🟥
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on October 23, 2023, 09:31:40 AM
Div 4 managers

Ardglass - Kyran Smyth
Aghaderg - advertising
Bright - Miceal McCartan
Dromara - John Fegan
Drumaness - Paddy Morgan
Dundrum - Ronan McCartan
East Belfast - advertising
Kilclief - Shane Curran
Glasdrumman - advertising
St Michael's - Laurence McAlinden
St Paul's - Paddy Hannigan
Teconnaught - Cillian Laverty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on October 23, 2023, 11:33:40 AM
Hurling final described as epic.. my god.. it was far far far from epic. Watch a Tipperary/Waterford/Clare hurling match and you will see epic. It was a decent game for our county standard but wouldn't cut it in a real hurling field.

On another note let's hope the hurling 6 page reports end now and then quoted and another 2 pages added to it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ardstick on October 23, 2023, 11:42:36 AM
All the best to the Ports, Bredagh and Kilclief going into Ulster, always creates a great buzz in a club, so hopefully some Ulster silverware awaits.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 23, 2023, 11:43:48 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 23, 2023, 11:33:40 AMHurling final described as epic.. my god.. it was far far far from epic. Watch a Tipperary/Waterford/Clare hurling match and you will see epic. It was a decent game for our county standard but wouldn't cut it in a real hurling field.

On another note let's hope the hurling 6 page reports end now and then quoted and another 2 pages added to it.

Another person with the inability to scroll past something they aren't interested in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 23, 2023, 11:44:44 AM
Ports greater strength in depth proved to be the difference.

They were able to bring lads into the game either to replaced an injured player or someone off form who had a bigger impact than their Ballycran equivalent.

Ballycran fell into the same trap we did, Short puck outs to a corner back who only went and pucked it down into the areas the keeper would be hitting anyway and that's where Portaferry had the numbers back to win it and work it up the field that bit better. Like ourselves their corner backs aren't comfortable carrying the ball out, creating the overlap for a midfielder or halfback to take it from them and drive on up the park to then hit the spaces in behind the Portaferry half back line who were solid throughout.
Crans had some joy when they did get Phelim Savage on the ball in the first half, but he didn't have the same impact in the second half at all, Woods put in a storming 10 minute period, knocking over 3 points in as many minutes but was then curtailed somewhat as Portaferry made a few changes to curtail him.

Someone asked about whether the red high lads had come through and i was kinda negative in the response but yesterday Tom McGrattan did stand up, took some great points and was pretty unlucky with a shot at goal from a tight angle, Turpin was industrious throughout and long with the Sands brothers, but Ciaran Savage up until his injury was superb, nothing fancy, wins the ball, the flicks, the blocks etc, gives his opponent little or no time or space and just gets on with it. (Some good Ballygalget DNA in the lad  ;D  )

Next up is Cushendall, a team that the Ards clubs have had reasonable success in beating in the club championships over the years, Ports beat them in 2014, we beat them in 2006 and Ballycran beat them in 1994.
The Dall with be favourites but so what, they were favourites those last three times as well. The Gaelic Grounds will be a good sod hopefully, Ports have pace to trouble Cushendall, but they'll need to be getting 80% of their shots on target or better and just go for it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 23, 2023, 11:46:41 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 23, 2023, 11:33:40 AMHurling final described as epic.. my god.. it was far far far from epic. Watch a Tipperary/Waterford/Clare hurling match and you will see epic. It was a decent game for our county standard but wouldn't cut it in a real hurling field.

On another note let's hope the hurling 6 page reports end now and then quoted and another 2 pages added to it.

It's club hurling FFS, heck even the club games in those counties aren't to the same standard as the IC games!
Get yourself on Clubber, or even TG4, there's plenty of basic errors made in those as well
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Saffrongael on October 23, 2023, 11:47:36 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 23, 2023, 11:44:44 AMPorts greater strength in depth proved to be the difference.

They were able to bring lads into the game either to replaced an injured player or someone off form who had a bigger impact than their Ballycran equivalent.

Ballycran fell into the same trap we did, Short puck outs to a corner back who only went and pucked it down into the areas the keeper would be hitting anyway and that's where Portaferry had the numbers back to win it and work it up the field that bit better. Like ourselves their corner backs aren't comfortable carrying the ball out, creating the overlap for a midfielder or halfback to take it from them and drive on up the park to then hit the spaces in behind the Portaferry half back line who were solid throughout.
Crans had some joy when they did get Phelim Savage on the ball in the first half, but he didn't have the same impact in the second half at all, Woods put in a storming 10 minute period, knocking over 3 points in as many minutes but was then curtailed somewhat as Portaferry made a few changes to curtail him.

Someone asked about whether the red high lads had come through and i was kinda negative in the response but yesterday Tom McGrattan did stand up, took some great points and was pretty unlucky with a shot at goal from a tight angle, Turpin was industrious throughout and long with the Sands brothers, but Ciaran Savage up until his injury was superb, nothing fancy, wins the ball, the flicks, the blocks etc, gives his opponent little or no time or space and just gets on with it. (Some good Ballygalget DNA in the lad  ;D  )

Next up is Cushendall, a team that the Ards clubs have had reasonable success in beating in the club championships over the years, Ports beat them in 2014, we beat them in 2006 and Ballycran beat them in 1994.
The Dall with be favourites but so what, they were favourites those last three times as well. The Gaelic Grounds will be a good sod hopefully, Ports have pace to trouble Cushendall, but they'll need to be getting 80% of their shots on target or better and just go for it.


Think that was winter of 2005 JC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 23, 2023, 11:49:54 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 23, 2023, 11:47:36 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 23, 2023, 11:44:44 AMPorts greater strength in depth proved to be the difference.

They were able to bring lads into the game either to replaced an injured player or someone off form who had a bigger impact than their Ballycran equivalent.

Ballycran fell into the same trap we did, Short puck outs to a corner back who only went and pucked it down into the areas the keeper would be hitting anyway and that's where Portaferry had the numbers back to win it and work it up the field that bit better. Like ourselves their corner backs aren't comfortable carrying the ball out, creating the overlap for a midfielder or halfback to take it from them and drive on up the park to then hit the spaces in behind the Portaferry half back line who were solid throughout.
Crans had some joy when they did get Phelim Savage on the ball in the first half, but he didn't have the same impact in the second half at all, Woods put in a storming 10 minute period, knocking over 3 points in as many minutes but was then curtailed somewhat as Portaferry made a few changes to curtail him.

Someone asked about whether the red high lads had come through and i was kinda negative in the response but yesterday Tom McGrattan did stand up, took some great points and was pretty unlucky with a shot at goal from a tight angle, Turpin was industrious throughout and long with the Sands brothers, but Ciaran Savage up until his injury was superb, nothing fancy, wins the ball, the flicks, the blocks etc, gives his opponent little or no time or space and just gets on with it. (Some good Ballygalget DNA in the lad  ;D  )

Next up is Cushendall, a team that the Ards clubs have had reasonable success in beating in the club championships over the years, Ports beat them in 2014, we beat them in 2006 and Ballycran beat them in 1994.
The Dall with be favourites but so what, they were favourites those last three times as well. The Gaelic Grounds will be a good sod hopefully, Ports have pace to trouble Cushendall, but they'll need to be getting 80% of their shots on target or better and just go for it.


Think that was winter of 2005 JC

Yes, you're right, Ulster finals were Oct/Nov time with the AI semi in Feb the following year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 23, 2023, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on October 23, 2023, 11:33:40 AMHurling final described as epic.. my god.. it was far far far from epic. Watch a Tipperary/Waterford/Clare hurling match and you will see epic. It was a decent game for our county standard but wouldn't cut it in a real hurling field.

On another note let's hope the hurling 6 page reports end now and then quoted and another 2 pages added to it.

Don't know what you're on about here. Found it far more entertaining than any Waterford final where the winner has been predetermined for the past ten years.

Surely you're not expecting a club game to be on par with an inter-county Munster Championship game? The game had a bit of everything, and could have gone either way right up to the final moments.

As others have pointed out, if you really don't like the hurling content, don't read it. Simple as. Really surprised about how much a couple posts about club hurling, on a Down club hurling thread, have upset some people.

There's about ten pages in a row of people talking about the football final. I don't think a few posts discussing the hurling are going to dominate the thread.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on October 23, 2023, 01:34:38 PM
Hurling updates are a more than welcome addition, keep er lit. Know more about the hurling scene now than I ever did.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 23, 2023, 01:43:26 PM
Hurling is going in the right direction. We need more clubs participating or getting together like the Mourne clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 23, 2023, 04:09:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 23, 2023, 01:43:26 PMHurling is going in the right direction. We need more clubs participating or getting together like the Mourne clubs.

How's your own club progressing with the hurling?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 23, 2023, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 23, 2023, 01:43:26 PMHurling is going in the right direction. We need more clubs participating or getting together like the Mourne clubs.

This is exactly what we need to happen.

If every club that fields a camogie team fielded a hurling team, it would be some addition.

Would be great to bring hurling back to clubs that used to play it. Darragh Cross had a very good hurling team back in the day, for example. 

The amalgamation of clubs to offer hurling in an area, as has been done in the Mournes, is another good idea. Would
be great to see other clubs follow the example and give it a lash.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 24, 2023, 11:08:41 AM
Manager merry go round continues in Down I see - some amount of bluffer's continue to get fed by clubs. Why are clubs pouring money into these men - the same names circling through the divisions in Down. At least Ballyholland and Bryansford are appointing from within with Mulholland and Magorrian taking the reigns. Another bluffer Poacher is swapping the Hurling in Fermanagh for the Football, didn't think Fermanagh could be anymore defensive than last year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 24, 2023, 11:29:50 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 24, 2023, 11:08:41 AMManager merry go round continues in Down I see - some amount of bluffer's continue to get fed by clubs. Why are clubs pouring money into these men - the same names circling through the divisions in Down. At least Ballyholland and Bryansford are appointing from within with Mulholland and Magorrian taking the reigns. Another bluffer Poacher is swapping the Hurling in Fermanagh for the Football, didn't think Fermanagh could be anymore defensive than last year.

What bluffers are being fed? I haven't heard of any major appointments.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 24, 2023, 04:51:24 PM
John Fegan and Donnan Ritchie over Dromara next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on October 24, 2023, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Splash on October 23, 2023, 02:03:35 AMGreat weekend of hurling action and a great way to round out the season.

Hurling post incoming.

Scat, that may be your cue to get ready to scroll.  :o 

How's that football thread coming along by the way?

Anyroad.

Portaferry go back to back, edging out Ballycran in a hugely entertaining game. Probably the best championship game I've seen all season.

Two, great, evenly matched teams just going hammer and tongs against each other, with each one throwing everything they had at the other to try and keep them down. When it came down to it, simply was Portaferry were the better team on the day. Won the ball at key moments, and were able to deliver it to the key spots to win vital scores. 

Personally thought Ciaran Savage was great for them, today. Seemed to always know where to be in the right place at the right time.

Not much to fault Ballycran on, to be fair to them. Maybe weren't as dominant in the ruck towards the end which allowed Portaferry to win ball and clear it. But at the end of the day, could have easily gone Ballycran's way. You win some, you lose some. This was just Portaferry's day.

Conor Woods for me was the man of the match. Single handedly dragged the Crans back into it when they slipped behind. Was everywhere, and was extremely safe under the high ball. Very accurate sharp-shooter, too.

Was great to see full back, Tom Murray, come up the field and get the long-range score in the 60th minute to push the Ports out of Ballycran's reach. Wasn't supporting Portaferry. Just great to see a player in the full back line in a moment like that. Cant be letting the forwards get all the credit.  ::)

Interesting point for me was Ballycran looked like a stronger, more physical team, but Portaferry weren't troubled by this. Cushendall in the Ulster Championship will be bigger and more physical again, but will be interesting to see if Portaferry can find away around this.

Best of luck to the Ports in Ulster. Last year didn't do them justice. They're a better team than that match against Slaughtneil showed. Hope they go on a good run.


Bredagh dismantling Carryduff in the Intermediate Final was the shock of the weekend for me.

Hadn't seen Carryduff play in a while, but didn't look as comfortable as they had earlier in the year.

Bredagh simply outplayed them in every area. Bredagh were a stronger and more explosive team, and Carryduff didn't seem to be able to cope with it. Bredagh looked to be, in general, in better nick than their opposition. Playing Ballycran and Portaferry for the past couple of weeks will do that to you, I suppose.

Niall McFarland, Sean Hughes, and Conor Costello all were in good form for Bredagh. Joe Hanrahan in midfield looked like a serious hurler. Is he in the Down squad?

Conall Early was the only man for the Duff who really looked like he'd up to hurling at an inter-county level at the minute. Granted, though, a lot of players, especially the forwards, found it hard to get on the ball, so it's probably not fair to say that.

Had to feel for Carryduff. They never really got going. Judging off the rest of their performances, I'm sure they're a better team than that showed. Be interesting to see how they cope in the Senior Championship.

The scary thing about Bredagh is they looked like they still had a lot in the tank. Have rumours of their demise been greatly exaggerated? They looked like they still had another level in them. Some of the subs they brought on had serious skill, too.

Best of luck to Bredagh in Ulster. If they play like they did last night they'll go on a good run.

The future looks bright on the Ravenhill Road.


Not a heap to be said on the Junior Final.

Kilclief were simply a better team.

East Belfast were competitive in the first half. Couple good goals kept the game close. But Kilclief always looked comfortable enough.

9 points is a comfortable win, but if I was East Belfast, I wouldn't be too disheartened by it. It's definitely not a thumping. The resilience of East Belfast GAA is well documented. Not bad going to reach a county final after such a short period of existence. 

Kilclief had some good players on show today. Stefan McGrattan in particular. Fintan Conway would be what age now? Still winning county titles, anyway. Fair play to him. 

East Belfast some good players, too. Brendan McGarry got them out of trouble a few times. Joe McClemments solid in nets.

Be interesting to see where the teams go from here. Playing in Div 1 has clearly been a benefit to kilclief, and they looked like they could be competitive in the Intermediate next year considering Bredagh and Carryduff will be in Senior, but hear a  couple lads are heading Down Under? Will this fracture the Strangford men or can they adapt?

East Belfast manager said in interview most of the team is the wrong side of 30. Obviously they don't have the underage structures to draw from yet- be interesting to see how they deal with this. Reaching a county final probably makes them a more attractive club for people looking to join a team in Belfast. They've shown they can stand their own ground at this level.

Best of luck to kilclief on their ulster campaign. Judging from today, they have the quality to go on a good Ulster run.


The Ireland game was good viewing, too. Far better quality game than I was anticipating. That shinty looks like it would be some craic. Very well run, very well handled, and great to see Ireland get the win. Who needs the Rugby World Cup when we beat Scotland in the International Rules?  ;)

Was great to have it held in Newry. Really added a bit of buzz to our hurling finals weekend. Fair play to everyone involved.

Great to see a couple lads from bigger hurling counties in Newry. They brought a good crowd with them, too. Peter Duggan and Tom Monaghan were unreal in particular.

Begs the question, when Down eventually get back to Division One, what are we going to do when we come up against a team full of players of that quality?

We'll cross that bridge when we win the Joe McDonagh, sure.  :-X


All in all, an absolute great weekend of hurling. County Board handled it very well, which was great to see after the whole football fiasco last week.

Hope a few followers of the big ball got a chance to catch some of the games when they were being held half-local. Particularly that Senior Championship final. Don't know how you couldn't enjoy hurling after watching a game as epic as that one.

A great couple days for Down Hurling.

Best of luck now to all our Champions in Ulster and the All Ireland series. You'll do us proud, no doubt.

Looking forward to the break now until the leagues start back up and we go with our armchair hurling commentary again.

Hope that yous have enjoyed the hurling discussions on the thread this season, and glad to hear that some people who maybe didn't have the biggest insight as to what was going on in the hurling world have found the discussions somewhat informative.

Down Hurling is going in the right direction. Let's be behind it every step of the way.

An Dún abú. ⬛️🟥

Just to annoy Johnnysboys  ;D

I saw report from the Ireland V Scotland game Splash.

Seemed a very high amount of the scores came from frees.  How did that come across watching it?

Was the general play poor enough and frees given away or just hard to score from open play?

Keep going with the hurling reports - very comprehensive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on October 25, 2023, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 24, 2023, 11:29:50 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 24, 2023, 11:08:41 AMManager merry go round continues in Down I see - some amount of bluffer's continue to get fed by clubs. Why are clubs pouring money into these men - the same names circling through the divisions in Down. At least Ballyholland and Bryansford are appointing from within with Mulholland and Magorrian taking the reigns. Another bluffer Poacher is swapping the Hurling in Fermanagh for the Football, didn't think Fermanagh could be anymore defensive than last year.

What bluffers are being fed? I haven't heard of any major appointments.

Loughinisland management to Downpatrick
Saul management to Loughinisland
Bryansford management to Clonduff
Ballymartin management to Longstone
Bredagh management to Darragh Cross
Rostrevor management to Saul

And the merry go round continues as clubs waste thousands for yet another year.

Rumours Warrenpoint and Burren nearly have their men - Both will be very close to home.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 25, 2023, 02:07:02 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 25, 2023, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 24, 2023, 11:29:50 AM
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 24, 2023, 11:08:41 AMManager merry go round continues in Down I see - some amount of bluffer's continue to get fed by clubs. Why are clubs pouring money into these men - the same names circling through the divisions in Down. At least Ballyholland and Bryansford are appointing from within with Mulholland and Magorrian taking the reigns. Another bluffer Poacher is swapping the Hurling in Fermanagh for the Football, didn't think Fermanagh could be anymore defensive than last year.

What bluffers are being fed? I haven't heard of any major appointments.

Loughinisland management to Downpatrick
Saul management to Loughinisland
Bryansford management to Clonduff
Ballymartin management to Longstone
Bredagh management to Darragh Cross
Rostrevor management to Saul

And the merry go round continues as clubs waste thousands for yet another year.

Rumours Warrenpoint and Burren nearly have their men - Both will be very close to home.

Paddy O'Rourke is getting his band back together.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 25, 2023, 08:21:49 PM
Division 2
Quote from: redandblackareback on October 24, 2023, 11:08:41 AMManager merry go round continues in Down I see - some amount of bluffer's continue to get fed by clubs. Why are clubs pouring money into these men - the same names circling through the divisions in Down. At least Ballyholland and Bryansford are appointing from within with Mulholland and Magorrian taking the reigns. Another bluffer Poacher is swapping the Hurling in Fermanagh for the Football, didn't think Fermanagh could be anymore defensive than last year.

Division 2 seems to be the one with the most management vacancies.

Interestingly seems to be mostly Down coaches in place rather than outsiders.
Of course that can change.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 26, 2023, 11:54:22 AM
I salute any man who steps up to lead his local team; managing a club senior team is not an easy task. Especially voluntary.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Cuan12 on October 26, 2023, 03:54:13 PM
6 finals , football and hurling all won by East Down teams, what's happening ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on October 26, 2023, 04:02:31 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on October 26, 2023, 03:54:13 PM6 finals , football and hurling all won by East Down teams, what's happening ?


East Down dominance

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 26, 2023, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on October 26, 2023, 03:54:13 PM6 finals , football and hurling all won by East Down teams, what's happening ?


Would it not traditionally have been the case that the only competitions South Down teams have a habit of winning were the SFC and IFC?

So there's nothing to see here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 26, 2023, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 26, 2023, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on October 26, 2023, 03:54:13 PM6 finals , football and hurling all won by East Down teams, what's happening ?


Would it not traditionally have been the case that the only competitions South Down teams have a habit of winning were the SFC and IFC?

So there's nothing to see here?

LOL at the Arrogance
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 26, 2023, 05:09:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 26, 2023, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 26, 2023, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: Cuan12 on October 26, 2023, 03:54:13 PM6 finals , football and hurling all won by East Down teams, what's happening ?


Would it not traditionally have been the case that the only competitions South Down teams have a habit of winning were the SFC and IFC?

So there's nothing to see here?

LOL at the Arrogance

Not sure it's arrogance from me. Though perhaps  a dollop of ignorance with the hurling.

South Down clubs have barely featured in the JFC over the past decade.

No club beyond the peninsula has featured in the SHC in living memory.

I've actually no idea at all about the JHC and IHC. Maybe the JHC is like the reverse of the football championship and is the preserve of South down clubs?

If not.... Then seeing as Kilcoo have annexed Frank, then this is probably East Down's 5th clean sweep this decade.

Hence the nothing new here comment.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on October 26, 2023, 06:13:39 PM
Bredagh new management Gerard and Thomas McAnulty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on October 26, 2023, 08:05:33 PM
what is with this east v south stuff still going on? are people really that happy to see their own club wins nothing as long as a club from their 'half' wins the competition?

I think the whole lot is nonsense anyway. what if St Michaels win the JFC next season? do we say thats a great win for south down? considering they are the 5th most northern club in the county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 26, 2023, 09:35:25 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 26, 2023, 08:05:33 PMwhat is with this east v south stuff still going on? are people really that happy to see their own club wins nothing as long as a club from their 'half' wins the competition?

I think the whole lot is nonsense anyway. what if St Michaels win the JFC next season? do we say thats a great win for south down? considering they are the 5th most northern club in the county

It's 🐮💩
Paranoid nonsense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 26, 2023, 09:40:27 PM
It's pure nonsense. Cuan revels in it though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 26, 2023, 11:19:37 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 24, 2023, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Splash on October 23, 2023, 02:03:35 AMGreat weekend of hurling action and a great way to round out the season.

Hurling post incoming.

Scat, that may be your cue to get ready to scroll.  :o 

How's that football thread coming along by the way?

Anyroad.

Portaferry go back to back, edging out Ballycran in a hugely entertaining game. Probably the best championship game I've seen all season.

Two, great, evenly matched teams just going hammer and tongs against each other, with each one throwing everything they had at the other to try and keep them down. When it came down to it, simply was Portaferry were the better team on the day. Won the ball at key moments, and were able to deliver it to the key spots to win vital scores. 

Personally thought Ciaran Savage was great for them, today. Seemed to always know where to be in the right place at the right time.

Not much to fault Ballycran on, to be fair to them. Maybe weren't as dominant in the ruck towards the end which allowed Portaferry to win ball and clear it. But at the end of the day, could have easily gone Ballycran's way. You win some, you lose some. This was just Portaferry's day.

Conor Woods for me was the man of the match. Single handedly dragged the Crans back into it when they slipped behind. Was everywhere, and was extremely safe under the high ball. Very accurate sharp-shooter, too.

Was great to see full back, Tom Murray, come up the field and get the long-range score in the 60th minute to push the Ports out of Ballycran's reach. Wasn't supporting Portaferry. Just great to see a player in the full back line in a moment like that. Cant be letting the forwards get all the credit.  ::)

Interesting point for me was Ballycran looked like a stronger, more physical team, but Portaferry weren't troubled by this. Cushendall in the Ulster Championship will be bigger and more physical again, but will be interesting to see if Portaferry can find away around this.

Best of luck to the Ports in Ulster. Last year didn't do them justice. They're a better team than that match against Slaughtneil showed. Hope they go on a good run.


Bredagh dismantling Carryduff in the Intermediate Final was the shock of the weekend for me.

Hadn't seen Carryduff play in a while, but didn't look as comfortable as they had earlier in the year.

Bredagh simply outplayed them in every area. Bredagh were a stronger and more explosive team, and Carryduff didn't seem to be able to cope with it. Bredagh looked to be, in general, in better nick than their opposition. Playing Ballycran and Portaferry for the past couple of weeks will do that to you, I suppose.

Niall McFarland, Sean Hughes, and Conor Costello all were in good form for Bredagh. Joe Hanrahan in midfield looked like a serious hurler. Is he in the Down squad?

Conall Early was the only man for the Duff who really looked like he'd up to hurling at an inter-county level at the minute. Granted, though, a lot of players, especially the forwards, found it hard to get on the ball, so it's probably not fair to say that.

Had to feel for Carryduff. They never really got going. Judging off the rest of their performances, I'm sure they're a better team than that showed. Be interesting to see how they cope in the Senior Championship.

The scary thing about Bredagh is they looked like they still had a lot in the tank. Have rumours of their demise been greatly exaggerated? They looked like they still had another level in them. Some of the subs they brought on had serious skill, too.

Best of luck to Bredagh in Ulster. If they play like they did last night they'll go on a good run.

The future looks bright on the Ravenhill Road.


Not a heap to be said on the Junior Final.

Kilclief were simply a better team.

East Belfast were competitive in the first half. Couple good goals kept the game close. But Kilclief always looked comfortable enough.

9 points is a comfortable win, but if I was East Belfast, I wouldn't be too disheartened by it. It's definitely not a thumping. The resilience of East Belfast GAA is well documented. Not bad going to reach a county final after such a short period of existence. 

Kilclief had some good players on show today. Stefan McGrattan in particular. Fintan Conway would be what age now? Still winning county titles, anyway. Fair play to him. 

East Belfast some good players, too. Brendan McGarry got them out of trouble a few times. Joe McClemments solid in nets.

Be interesting to see where the teams go from here. Playing in Div 1 has clearly been a benefit to kilclief, and they looked like they could be competitive in the Intermediate next year considering Bredagh and Carryduff will be in Senior, but hear a  couple lads are heading Down Under? Will this fracture the Strangford men or can they adapt?

East Belfast manager said in interview most of the team is the wrong side of 30. Obviously they don't have the underage structures to draw from yet- be interesting to see how they deal with this. Reaching a county final probably makes them a more attractive club for people looking to join a team in Belfast. They've shown they can stand their own ground at this level.

Best of luck to kilclief on their ulster campaign. Judging from today, they have the quality to go on a good Ulster run.


The Ireland game was good viewing, too. Far better quality game than I was anticipating. That shinty looks like it would be some craic. Very well run, very well handled, and great to see Ireland get the win. Who needs the Rugby World Cup when we beat Scotland in the International Rules?  ;)

Was great to have it held in Newry. Really added a bit of buzz to our hurling finals weekend. Fair play to everyone involved.

Great to see a couple lads from bigger hurling counties in Newry. They brought a good crowd with them, too. Peter Duggan and Tom Monaghan were unreal in particular.

Begs the question, when Down eventually get back to Division One, what are we going to do when we come up against a team full of players of that quality?

We'll cross that bridge when we win the Joe McDonagh, sure.  :-X


All in all, an absolute great weekend of hurling. County Board handled it very well, which was great to see after the whole football fiasco last week.

Hope a few followers of the big ball got a chance to catch some of the games when they were being held half-local. Particularly that Senior Championship final. Don't know how you couldn't enjoy hurling after watching a game as epic as that one.

A great couple days for Down Hurling.

Best of luck now to all our Champions in Ulster and the All Ireland series. You'll do us proud, no doubt.

Looking forward to the break now until the leagues start back up and we go with our armchair hurling commentary again.

Hope that yous have enjoyed the hurling discussions on the thread this season, and glad to hear that some people who maybe didn't have the biggest insight as to what was going on in the hurling world have found the discussions somewhat informative.

Down Hurling is going in the right direction. Let's be behind it every step of the way.

An Dún abú. ⬛️🟥

Just to annoy Johnnysboys  ;D

I saw report from the Ireland V Scotland game Splash.

Seemed a very high amount of the scores came from frees.  How did that come across watching it?

Was the general play poor enough and frees given away or just hard to score from open play?

Keep going with the hurling reports - very comprehensive.

Lol.

Was plenty of frees, but didn't hamper the game in my opinion.

Game was 80 minutes long, so frees obviously felt more spread out, and watching the Scotland players take their frees was actually very impressive. Ability to slot them over the bar, off the ground, golf style, from anywhere on the field.

From the start there were a few big hits and it set the tone. Hard enough to win a free. Only really blown up for stick around the neck, blatant chop, or the odd hand ball from an Ireland player.

Game obviously wasn't as smooth or as good quality viewing as a hurling game, but was a great novelty. Was like watching a match from 50 years ago. Pull and pull as hard as you can.

Difficult for both teams to score from open play, but there was some great skill watching lads put the ball over the bar without taking it in the hand. Sort of tricks you'd only attempt in backs and forwards in training coming into play.

Was honestly more entertaining and of a higher quality than I was expecting it to be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 27, 2023, 02:13:13 AM
Glad someone else noticed the 6 titles are heading to East Down. Is it worth pointing out that only 2 South Down teams even reached finals this year?

Anybody be able to explain where the animosity between South and East stems from? No divide between the two parts of the county outside of GAA is there?

Feel like the JHC is traditionally a competition dominated by South Down teams (Ballela, CPN, Clonduff, etc. all won in previous years), where as this year there was only one South Down team (Ballyvarley).

The IHC is a hard competition to classify as the teams change so often. Was only one East Down team in the championship this year (Carryduff), whereas a few years ago it would have been mostly East Down- with Liatroim and Bredagh competing in it.

JFC to the best of my knowledge is dominated by East Down. Only Aghaderg and Magheralin would be South Down.

SHC is now a purely East Down competition again. SFC & IFC could be won by a team from either end of the county.

Again, where does this rivalry stem from? Know there are South Down and East Down competitions etc., but it's not as though the two ends of the county are run differently or anything.

Have thought it would be a good idea for the County Board to implement a North Down board, ie., Bredagh, Carryduff, East Belfast, St Paul's, and potentially, Magheralin. Give a bit more autonomy to each board, and trust it to promote and develop Gaelic Games in their end of the County. Of course, there are a lot of factors that could make this a bad idea, and would no doubt lead to a row of some sort. But still. Always thought it odd Bredagh was East Down.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 27, 2023, 02:40:15 AM
For the sake of discussion, have heard Ballela referred to as 'West Down.'

(They reference being in West Down on their social media, for example)

Not saying we need to break Down into smaller factions, each with different boards. Just think it's interesting how Ballela reference being in West Down, despite the fact that there are clubs that immediately spring to mind as being further west, but no one else seems to refer to being in West Down.

Glenn, for example, is probably our most western club, but would obviously be a big South Down club.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on October 27, 2023, 06:55:31 AM
St Michael's magherlin is likely our most westerly club in down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: passedit on October 27, 2023, 08:41:58 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 27, 2023, 06:55:31 AMSt Michael's magherlin is likely our most westerly club in down.
At underage many moons ago there was a west down "division" of South Down. Glenn, Annaclone,Aghaderg, Banbridge, Tullylish and St Michaels. I played in a community games team selected from those clubs about 50 years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 27, 2023, 08:50:13 AM
Quote from: passedit on October 27, 2023, 08:41:58 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 27, 2023, 06:55:31 AMSt Michael's magherlin is likely our most westerly club in down.
At underage many moons ago there was a west down "division" of South Down. Glenn, Annaclone,Aghaderg, Banbridge, Tullylish and St Michaels. I played in a community games team selected from those clubs about 50 years ago.

Yes I would've played in that league in the 80s and early 90s. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 27, 2023, 08:53:09 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on October 27, 2023, 08:50:13 AM
Quote from: passedit on October 27, 2023, 08:41:58 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 27, 2023, 06:55:31 AMSt Michael's magherlin is likely our most westerly club in down.
At underage many moons ago there was a west down "division" of South Down. Glenn, Annaclone,Aghaderg, Banbridge, Tullylish and St Michaels. I played in a community games team selected from those clubs about 50 years ago.

Yes I would've played in that league in the 80s and early 90s. 

Ballela would've fielded a team for a while also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 27, 2023, 09:11:53 AM
The South/East divide has always seemed healthy to me. The South/East underage finals should be brought back since they were a fantastic show.

I believe there is still time to save the two boards, but I am not sure why they were stopped. They worked hard and provided us with some really good administrators.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clonian on October 27, 2023, 10:18:09 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 27, 2023, 09:11:53 AMThe South/East divide has always seemed healthy to me. The South/East underage finals should be brought back since they were a fantastic show.

I believe there is still time to save the two boards, but I am not sure why they were stopped. They worked hard and provided us with some really good administrators.

The problem with the divisional boards is that because they have been reasonably well run with regular matches now and more divisions to allow teams to play teams their own level, they end up playing the same teams too often in the year. 

I don't know how that gets sorted though. Making weaker teams play the strong teams doesn't help either team but playing the same team 4 or 5 times in a season isn't great either.

My lads play soccer and it seems strange that there's a massive gap between the top, middle and bottom teams in one division but they get on with it. There can be a few hammerings handed out though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on October 27, 2023, 10:49:37 AM
All reserve football should  be regionalized. On a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, boys from Carryduff and Bredagh don't want to go to Rostrevor or Warrenpoint, and vice versa. If you have a short travel distance, you are less likely to concede in reserve football. Ardglass reserves will get to Bright far faster than they will to Glenn, which will take an hour.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 27, 2023, 06:55:31 AMSt Michael's magherlin is likely our most westerly club in down.

St John Bosco's pitch actually is

Glenn is second but only marginally, to Shamrocks/Pairc Esler.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clonian on October 27, 2023, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 27, 2023, 06:55:31 AMSt Michael's magherlin is likely our most westerly club in down.

St John Bosco's pitch actually is

Glenn is second but only marginally, to Shamrocks/Pairc Esler.

Ballyvarley must be close too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 27, 2023, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 27, 2023, 06:55:31 AMSt Michael's magherlin is likely our most westerly club in down.

St John Bosco's pitch actually is

Glenn is second but only marginally, to Shamrocks/Pairc Esler.

Ballyvarley must be close too.

Correct, they'd be next after Shamrocks.

Interestingly, Aghaderg/Ballyvarley are not as west as Pairc Esler, but further west than Mitchels pitch, which is only metres away from Pairc Esler in a South East direction
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clonian on October 27, 2023, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 27, 2023, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 27, 2023, 06:55:31 AMSt Michael's magherlin is likely our most westerly club in down.

St John Bosco's pitch actually is

Glenn is second but only marginally, to Shamrocks/Pairc Esler.

Ballyvarley must be close too.

Correct, they'd be next after Shamrocks.

Interestingly, Aghaderg/Ballyvarley are not as west as Pairc Esler, but further west than Mitchels pitch, which is only metres away from Pairc Esler in a South East direction

And for Ballela being known as a west down club - Clanna na Banna, Tullylish, St Michaels, Annaclone and Drumgath are all further west. Don't think I missed anyone. There's a big area with not many sports grounds at all really
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:54:13 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 27, 2023, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 27, 2023, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 27, 2023, 06:55:31 AMSt Michael's magherlin is likely our most westerly club in down.

St John Bosco's pitch actually is

Glenn is second but only marginally, to Shamrocks/Pairc Esler.

Ballyvarley must be close too.

Correct, they'd be next after Shamrocks.

Interestingly, Aghaderg/Ballyvarley are not as west as Pairc Esler, but further west than Mitchels pitch, which is only metres away from Pairc Esler in a South East direction

And for Ballela being known as a west down club - Clanna na Banna, Tullylish, St Michaels, Annaclone and Drumgath are all further west. Don't think I missed anyone. There's a big area with not many sports grounds at all really

Order from west to east:

Bosco
Glenn
Shamrocks
Aghaderg/Ballyvarley
Mitchels (inactive)
Tullylish
Ballyholland
Saval
Clann na Banna
St Michaels
Burren
Warrenpoint
Mayobridge
Drumgath
Rostrevor
Annaclone
Ballela
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 27, 2023, 02:08:46 PM
I was thinking of parish geography in general to be honest (ie.,Jerrettspass would be in Glenn - well, some of it anyway- and would be slightly further west than the Meadow in Newry).

Pitch location is a far better measurement to use, TakeTheMark.

That's an interesting fact about the Ballyvarley, Shamrocks' and Mitchells' pitches, never would have known that.

Interestingly point- half of Poyntzpass would be in Down, and would know a good good few there who would consider themselves Down men. Was speaking to someone not that long ago actually who was telling me he believed the Pass should be playing in Down.

Just interesting to note when thinking about clubs in the western part of the county.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 27, 2023, 02:14:04 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:54:13 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 27, 2023, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 27, 2023, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 27, 2023, 06:55:31 AMSt Michael's magherlin is likely our most westerly club in down.

St John Bosco's pitch actually is

Glenn is second but only marginally, to Shamrocks/Pairc Esler.

Ballyvarley must be close too.

Correct, they'd be next after Shamrocks.

Interestingly, Aghaderg/Ballyvarley are not as west as Pairc Esler, but further west than Mitchels pitch, which is only metres away from Pairc Esler in a South East direction

And for Ballela being known as a west down club - Clanna na Banna, Tullylish, St Michaels, Annaclone and Drumgath are all further west. Don't think I missed anyone. There's a big area with not many sports grounds at all really

Order from west to east:

Bosco
Glenn
Shamrocks
Aghaderg/Ballyvarley
Mitchels (inactive)
Tullylish
Ballyholland
Saval
Clann na Banna
St Michaels
Burren
Warrenpoint
Mayobridge
Drumgath
Rostrevor
Annaclone
Ballela

Had to check the Saval/ Clann na Banna one. That one surprised me.

Rostrevor, Burren, and the Point being further west than Ballela also a surprise.

Learn something new every day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 27, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
It's only on here I've ever heard of the Ards clubs considered as being East Down.

Geographically yes, but when there was an East Down and South Down board (there very well may still be) but there was never any representation on the East Down board from the Ards clubs.

I think we do compete in the East Down Scór though, but that's only for the young wans wanting to do a bit of buck-leppin over the winter.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clonian on October 27, 2023, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:54:13 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 27, 2023, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 27, 2023, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 27, 2023, 06:55:31 AMSt Michael's magherlin is likely our most westerly club in down.

St John Bosco's pitch actually is

Glenn is second but only marginally, to Shamrocks/Pairc Esler.

Ballyvarley must be close too.

Correct, they'd be next after Shamrocks.

Interestingly, Aghaderg/Ballyvarley are not as west as Pairc Esler, but further west than Mitchels pitch, which is only metres away from Pairc Esler in a South East direction

And for Ballela being known as a west down club - Clanna na Banna, Tullylish, St Michaels, Annaclone and Drumgath are all further west. Don't think I missed anyone. There's a big area with not many sports grounds at all really

Order from west to east:

Bosco
Glenn
Shamrocks
Aghaderg/Ballyvarley
Mitchels (inactive)
Tullylish
Ballyholland
Saval
Clann na Banna
St Michaels
Burren
Warrenpoint
Mayobridge
Drumgath
Rostrevor
Annaclone
Ballela

I wasn't thinking about the south coast clubs when I was looking at that. Interesting - Ballela need to change their info to mid down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clonian on October 27, 2023, 02:50:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 27, 2023, 02:31:28 PMIt's only on here I've ever heard of the Ards clubs considered as being East Down.

Geographically yes, but when there was an East Down and South Down board (there very well may still be) but there was never any representation on the East Down board from the Ards clubs.

I think we do compete in the East Down Scór though, but that's only for the young wans wanting to do a bit of buck-leppin over the winter.




At underage hurling back in the 90s you boyos weren't invited into the east down league either. You must have just played each other. Don't think there was many years of 2 leagues though, teams started struggling with numbers after that, barely enough for 1 league outside the ards for a while.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on October 27, 2023, 03:20:54 PM
when you look at the teams representing each county at ulster and beyond the same thing happens in most counties , there is 1 dominant team and the rest make up the numbers . the usual suspects all in ulster again or in their county finals

Cross, Glen, eirigal ,kilcoo, carigan , derrygonnelly , scotstown, gowna, naomh conaill .

not too many new names , all counties have the same issues teams in down do
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 27, 2023, 03:49:40 PM
Quote from: skat man on October 27, 2023, 03:20:54 PMwhen you look at the teams representing each county at ulster and beyond the same thing happens in most counties , there is 1 dominant team and the rest make up the numbers . the usual suspects all in ulster again or in their county finals

Cross, Glen, eirigal ,kilcoo, carigan , derrygonnelly , scotstown, gowna, naomh conaill .

not too many new names , all counties have the same issues teams in down do

Tyrone final is this weekend, Errigal v Trillick. They've had 7 different winners in the last 7 years, so I wouldn't say there are usual suspects there. If Errigal win they would be the first team to twin 2 in a row in nearly 20 years.
And in Derry, Glen aren't near the level of dominance as Kilcoo, not for another few years yet anyway. The remainder of the counties do have more dominant clubs, be it reaching finals or winning several championship's in a row.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on October 27, 2023, 03:57:08 PM
didnt know that about them being possibly only team to win 2 in a row , is there then a reason why all counties are not adopting the tyrone method of leagues and championship ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 04:57:53 PM
Quote from: Splash on October 27, 2023, 02:14:04 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:54:13 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 27, 2023, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 27, 2023, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 27, 2023, 06:55:31 AMSt Michael's magherlin is likely our most westerly club in down.

St John Bosco's pitch actually is

Glenn is second but only marginally, to Shamrocks/Pairc Esler.

Ballyvarley must be close too.

Correct, they'd be next after Shamrocks.

Interestingly, Aghaderg/Ballyvarley are not as west as Pairc Esler, but further west than Mitchels pitch, which is only metres away from Pairc Esler in a South East direction

And for Ballela being known as a west down club - Clanna na Banna, Tullylish, St Michaels, Annaclone and Drumgath are all further west. Don't think I missed anyone. There's a big area with not many sports grounds at all really

Order from west to east:

Bosco
Glenn
Shamrocks
Aghaderg/Ballyvarley
Mitchels (inactive)
Tullylish
Ballyholland
Saval
Clann na Banna
St Michaels
Burren
Warrenpoint
Mayobridge
Drumgath
Rostrevor
Annaclone
Ballela

Had to check the Saval/ Clann na Banna one. That one surprised me.

Rostrevor, Burren, and the Point being further west than Ballela also a surprise.

Learn something new every day.

Just to add a further point, three of the South Down clubs, Ballymartin, Longstone and Glasdrumman all sit geographically further east than Kilcoo, Liatroim and Dromara, with the latter two south clubs also further east than Castlewellan. However no complaints from me as they do also justify being called a 'South' club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on October 27, 2023, 07:43:03 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 04:57:53 PM
Quote from: Splash on October 27, 2023, 02:14:04 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:54:13 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 27, 2023, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 27, 2023, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 27, 2023, 06:55:31 AMSt Michael's magherlin is likely our most westerly club in down.

St John Bosco's pitch actually is

Glenn is second but only marginally, to Shamrocks/Pairc Esler.

Ballyvarley must be close too.

Correct, they'd be next after Shamrocks.

Interestingly, Aghaderg/Ballyvarley are not as west as Pairc Esler, but further west than Mitchels pitch, which is only metres away from Pairc Esler in a South East direction

And for Ballela being known as a west down club - Clanna na Banna, Tullylish, St Michaels, Annaclone and Drumgath are all further west. Don't think I missed anyone. There's a big area with not many sports grounds at all really

Order from west to east:

Bosco
Glenn
Shamrocks
Aghaderg/Ballyvarley
Mitchels (inactive)
Tullylish
Ballyholland
Saval
Clann na Banna
St Michaels
Burren
Warrenpoint
Mayobridge
Drumgath
Rostrevor
Annaclone
Ballela

Had to check the Saval/ Clann na Banna one. That one surprised me.

Rostrevor, Burren, and the Point being further west than Ballela also a surprise.

Learn something new every day.

Just to add a further point, three of the South Down clubs, Ballymartin, Longstone and Glasdrumman all sit geographically further east than Kilcoo, Liatroim and Dromara, with the latter two south clubs also further east than Castlewellan. However no complaints from me as they do also justify being called a 'South' club.
Does anyone know why it was separated as south and east rather than North/South which would make more sense. For example An Riocht travelling to play the most southern 'East Down' club would be Bryansford and is about 20/25 mins away whereas travelling to the most northern 'south down' club would be magherlin in lurgan which is over an hour away
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 27, 2023, 10:59:04 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 27, 2023, 02:50:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 27, 2023, 02:31:28 PMIt's only on here I've ever heard of the Ards clubs considered as being East Down.

Geographically yes, but when there was an East Down and South Down board (there very well may still be) but there was never any representation on the East Down board from the Ards clubs.

I think we do compete in the East Down Scór though, but that's only for the young wans wanting to do a bit of buck-leppin over the winter.




At underage hurling back in the 90s you boyos weren't invited into the east down league either. You must have just played each other. Don't think there was many years of 2 leagues though, teams started struggling with numbers after that, barely enough for 1 league outside the ards for a while.

In the hurling world, though, there is typically a different mindset.

It is essentially the Ards, and South Down (or across the water as we are fondly referred to by lads from the peninsula :P).

I.e, South Down used to compete in the national league. Was basically anybody in Down, bar the Ards.

Players from Liatroim could play for South Down, despite the fact in football terms they are East Down.

Think the whole 'South Down' thing has fallen somewhat out of fashion with the emergence of Bredagh as a senior force. You can get away with calling Kilclief south down. Harder to justify calling Bredagh South Down when they're an hour drive north of Portaferry. Perhaps need to find a new way to describe these clubs considering a third of the teams in the Senior Championship next year will be further north than the Ards...

This is why Liatroim are talked about as a team from South Down when discussing the SHC. Also why Ballyvarley and Ballela are talked about as being South Down clubs despite being further north than most other clubs in South Down.

I would imagine when yous were playing the Ardsmen were either playing amongst themselves or up in Antrim, Clonian.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on October 27, 2023, 11:06:46 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on October 27, 2023, 07:43:03 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 04:57:53 PM
Quote from: Splash on October 27, 2023, 02:14:04 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:54:13 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 27, 2023, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 27, 2023, 01:23:33 PM
Quote from: TakeTheMark on October 27, 2023, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on October 27, 2023, 06:55:31 AMSt Michael's magherlin is likely our most westerly club in down.

St John Bosco's pitch actually is

Glenn is second but only marginally, to Shamrocks/Pairc Esler.

Ballyvarley must be close too.

Correct, they'd be next after Shamrocks.

Interestingly, Aghaderg/Ballyvarley are not as west as Pairc Esler, but further west than Mitchels pitch, which is only metres away from Pairc Esler in a South East direction

And for Ballela being known as a west down club - Clanna na Banna, Tullylish, St Michaels, Annaclone and Drumgath are all further west. Don't think I missed anyone. There's a big area with not many sports grounds at all really

Order from west to east:

Bosco
Glenn
Shamrocks
Aghaderg/Ballyvarley
Mitchels (inactive)
Tullylish
Ballyholland
Saval
Clann na Banna
St Michaels
Burren
Warrenpoint
Mayobridge
Drumgath
Rostrevor
Annaclone
Ballela

Had to check the Saval/ Clann na Banna one. That one surprised me.

Rostrevor, Burren, and the Point being further west than Ballela also a surprise.

Learn something new every day.

Just to add a further point, three of the South Down clubs, Ballymartin, Longstone and Glasdrumman all sit geographically further east than Kilcoo, Liatroim and Dromara, with the latter two south clubs also further east than Castlewellan. However no complaints from me as they do also justify being called a 'South' club.
Does anyone know why it was separated as south and east rather than North/South which would make more sense. For example An Riocht travelling to play the most southern 'East Down' club would be Bryansford and is about 20/25 mins away whereas travelling to the most northern 'south down' club would be magherlin in lurgan which is over an hour away

I would assume, and this is pure speculation, that it is due to the lack of clubs in North Down.

If you classified clubs as either north v south, you would end up with 90% of clubs in South Down.

I have learnt plenty of quiz answers here today, TakeTheMark.  :D  Fair play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 27, 2023, 11:37:09 PM
Quote from: skat man on October 27, 2023, 03:57:08 PMdidnt know that about them being possibly only team to win 2 in a row , is there then a reason why all counties are not adopting the tyrone method of leagues and championship ?

The Tyrone SFC format of straight knockout football has led to some great games to watch over the years, it might lead to a few more entertaining games in Down but perhaps it would still end up being the same teams in the final anyway as Kilcoo are relentless, and you've a couple of others in the next bracket. A more cynical view is that there might be more money to be made through having more games and a back door system, or group formats as some counties have.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on October 28, 2023, 11:00:14 AM
I see some of the league fixtures for div 1 & 2 have been released yesterday. Can't find anything for div 3. After only having 3 home games last year, do we get 4 home games this year? Or is it the luck of the draw?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 28, 2023, 02:40:10 PM
Quote from: clonian on October 27, 2023, 02:50:48 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 27, 2023, 02:31:28 PMIt's only on here I've ever heard of the Ards clubs considered as being East Down.

Geographically yes, but when there was an East Down and South Down board (there very well may still be) but there was never any representation on the East Down board from the Ards clubs.

I think we do compete in the East Down Scór though, but that's only for the young wans wanting to do a bit of buck-leppin over the winter.




At underage hurling back in the 90s you boyos weren't invited into the east down league either. You must have just played each other. Don't think there was many years of 2 leagues though, teams started struggling with numbers after that, barely enough for 1 league outside the ards for a while.

At underage we played each other ad nauseum, probably a dozen times a year and then at that time almost all the locals in the Ards went to St Columba's so you were sick, sore and tired of the sight of each other!!!

This East Down, South Down thing is a football construct, I'd never heard of it until I joined this forum, but I suppose there may well still be the East and South Down boards, which I always believed were purely for underage football, are they still a thing?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on October 28, 2023, 05:00:38 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 27, 2023, 11:37:09 PM
Quote from: skat man on October 27, 2023, 03:57:08 PMdidnt know that about them being possibly only team to win 2 in a row , is there then a reason why all counties are not adopting the tyrone method of leagues and championship ?

The Tyrone SFC format of straight knockout football has led to some great games to watch over the years, it might lead to a few more entertaining games in Down but perhaps it would still end up being the same teams in the final anyway as Kilcoo are relentless, and you've a couple of others in the next bracket. A more cynical view is that there might be more money to be made through having more games and a back door system, or group formats as some counties have.

A realistic view is the current championship format is better than straight knockout. What are the advantages of straight knockout? If you think Kilcoo would have won any fewer than they have in the last decade or so, you are mistaken. Current format is far better for players who are asked a hell of a lot more in terms of commitment than yesteryear at club level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 28, 2023, 07:06:52 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 28, 2023, 05:00:38 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 27, 2023, 11:37:09 PM
Quote from: skat man on October 27, 2023, 03:57:08 PMdidnt know that about them being possibly only team to win 2 in a row , is there then a reason why all counties are not adopting the tyrone method of leagues and championship ?

The Tyrone SFC format of straight knockout football has led to some great games to watch over the years, it might lead to a few more entertaining games in Down but perhaps it would still end up being the same teams in the final anyway as Kilcoo are relentless, and you've a couple of others in the next bracket. A more cynical view is that there might be more money to be made through having more games and a back door system, or group formats as some counties have.

A realistic view is the current championship format is better than straight knockout. What are the advantages of straight knockout? If you think Kilcoo would have won any fewer than they have in the last decade or so, you are mistaken. Current format is far better for players who are asked a hell of a lot more in terms of commitment than yesteryear at club level.

Advantages of straight knock out:

1. If there is a team that's a cert to win it, it moves the process along quicker. Why drag it out?

2. If another team happens to have a day in million and beats the team that cannot be beaten, it changes the entire course of the championship. No matter when it happens.

—-

Why any senior footballer would want to drag out a championship that they cannot win is beyond me.

How any senior footballer could believe that playing in a game in which the result doesn't matter, is a championship game, is beyond me.

It's just more of the bluffery and nonsense that pervades senior club football in Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 28, 2023, 07:50:36 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 28, 2023, 07:37:39 PMIt is not acceptable to give a player one championship game in a year given the time and effort they put in for many months before it. They must get two.
I smile at that thought process. What a massive difference and must make it all worth it.

Honestly, I just don't get this.

Here was our Championship year.

1. R1 against Loughinisland was a proper championship match with both teams trying to win, and the difference in the teams was the Blues getting on top at midfield in the final quarter.

2. R2 against Saval was a waste of time for everyone involved. Ballyholland would have won it had they spent the week drinking.

3. R3 against Longstone was a waste of time for everyone involved. Ballyholland would have won it has they spent the week drinking.

4. QF against Burren was a waste of time for everyone involved. Burren would have won it had they spent the week drinking.


R2 felt like a friendly. R3 felt like an end-of-season league game dead rubber. QF felt like there was a league between the sides and the result was inevitable.


Please don't try to tell me that those last 3 matches were championship standard, championship audiences, championship intensity, championship buzz.

So when you claim it's not acceptable to give players just one championship game a year, I don't honestly believe you and me have the same understanding of what championship football is. Once you see the label, you're happy. Unless I see the product, I'm not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 28, 2023, 08:36:14 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 28, 2023, 08:16:14 PMI think you've misunderstood my post. That might be on me.

Anyway, I agree with you.

Ah you're right, I read you inside out.

My apologies.

f**k the back door.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 28, 2023, 09:33:44 PM
100% agree. This 'everyone deserves two games after they have prepared for months' narrative is nonsense. The championship started within 2-3 weeks of leagues finishing, there is not the 4-5 week gap there used to be between competition.

When straight knock out is there, everyone wants to see every game. The games have much higher attendances, better atmospheres and more potential for upsets. League allows games, championship should be knockout football.... Everyone enjoys ulster club championship because its do or
Die... much better games, if it had a back door some games would lose their profile. I think players should be asked on this... 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on October 28, 2023, 10:40:05 PM
Quote from: supersub on October 28, 2023, 05:00:38 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on October 27, 2023, 11:37:09 PM
Quote from: skat man on October 27, 2023, 03:57:08 PMdidnt know that about them being possibly only team to win 2 in a row , is there then a reason why all counties are not adopting the tyrone method of leagues and championship ?

The Tyrone SFC format of straight knockout football has led to some great games to watch over the years, it might lead to a few more entertaining games in Down but perhaps it would still end up being the same teams in the final anyway as Kilcoo are relentless, and you've a couple of others in the next bracket. A more cynical view is that there might be more money to be made through having more games and a back door system, or group formats as some counties have.

A realistic view is the current championship format is better than straight knockout. What are the advantages of straight knockout? If you think Kilcoo would have won any fewer than they have in the last decade or so, you are mistaken. Current format is far better for players who are asked a hell of a lot more in terms of commitment than yesteryear at club level.

I hadn't actually stated the straight knockout was better. But since you mention it, I believe at club level it is far better. Kilcoo have been the best team by a mile for years, maybe nobody would have knocked them out, but sure maybe it would have happened once or twice and made things more interesting. As for the commitment thing, as others have mentioned playing 2 or 3 games instead of one, when you play for a team that won't have a chance of beating Kilcoo twice to win it, is absolutely pointless. Players play and train because they love football. They get 16 or 18 league games to play. Why make them play 2 extra games 9/10 months after they started training if they have almost zero chance of causing an upset to win a championship? Just an opinion. Also, watching Tyrone's SFC games compared to other counties is a far more entertaining experience.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on October 28, 2023, 11:44:52 PM
Nothing but complaints on this. Mental you think people really care about east and south down. Straight championship or no straight championship the majority of games are exciting. All the players deserve a good go at it. Happens in county why not at club.
The same ones complaining that the back door wasn't brought into county football in the 60s or 90s and down would have more all Ireland's.
Forever begrudgers.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 29, 2023, 12:51:29 AM
The Majority of games are exciting? The two semis had 10 and 11 point differences and the final had a 9 point difference. All Q Finals were 6/7 points bar kilcoo v Carryduff. Majority of games exciting? Jesus
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on October 29, 2023, 09:23:05 AM
Controversial perhaps, but I prefer the format the way it is. Just don't go down the route of other counties and go group stages again. That format does not suit club football and cannot see how counties persist with it.

Since counties began installing multiple elimination competitions (groups/back doors), Tyrone, who didn't give in and are the only county in Ireland still with straight knockout (I think?), they haven't actually produced a provincial club champion in that time.

The question would be is it down to the championship, has better teams fallen by the wayside in a one off game? Has teams not gotten enough competitive championship  games? Or is it simply a case of their club teams just not being strong enough?

Obviously in that time there has been strong sides, Cross winning 5, Slaughtneil winning 3 and Kilcoo winning 2, but Tyrone have only produced one losing finalist since Errigal Ciaran winning in 2002.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on October 29, 2023, 09:41:31 AM
Correct, I was just posing the question as prior to format changes across the province, probably between 2005-2012(?), while Errigal were the only team to win it, there were certainly more Tyrone teams reaching finals. After the format changes in other counties even these final appearances have dried up for Tyrone clubs.

It could simply be coincidence, as I say I was only posing the question so all angles are considered before arriving at the conclusion that one format is better than another.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on October 29, 2023, 10:46:18 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 29, 2023, 09:33:14 AMI think the fact that only one Tyrone club has won Ulster in the 50 odd years it has been on the go suggests that it has nothing to do with the championship formats other counties have used. Most, if not all counties would have used a straight knockout for the majority of those years.

not saying you are wrong but look at it another way, all tyrone clubs are fully concentrating on just winning the tyrone championship so cant plan to peak for ulster. in alot of other counties that isnt the case
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on October 29, 2023, 10:56:12 AM
It won't happen but if you're wanting to make more meaningful fixtures in SFC probably best way to do that is to reduce the amount of teams in it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on October 29, 2023, 10:57:20 AM
true, possibly no matter what format you use the kilcoos , derygonnellys and crosses of the world will still prevail
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on October 29, 2023, 01:04:25 PM
I think Down have it spot on with their Championship formats. The only issue would be scheduling and venues. So much more potential to make the championship season good for supporters and watchers
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on October 30, 2023, 05:31:18 PM
Division 1 managers 2024?

Kilcoo - K Lacey
Burren -
CPN -
Clonduff - J Kennedy?
Mayobridge - M Walsh?
Carryduff - F Moriarty
Loughinisland - C O'Toole
Bredagh - ?
Ballyholland - S Mulholland?
Castlewellan - C McCabe

Division 2

Longstone - ?
Bryansford - J Magorrian
RGU - K Duffin & C McCrickard
Rostrevor - ?
Saval - ?
Saul - ?
Liatroim - P Murray
Shamrocks - DJ Kane
An Riocht  - C Kelly
St John's - ?

Division 3

Glenn - S Clark?
Drumgath - J Lynch?
Annaclone- J Clarke?
Ballymartin- ?
Attical - ?
Tullylish - ?
Darragh - B Mason
Banbridge- ?
Bosco - ?
Finn - M Copeland?

Division 4

Drumaness - P Morgan?
St Paul's- P Hannigan?
Bright - M McCartan?
Dromara - J Fegan
Teconnaght - C Laverty
Kilclief - S Curran?
Ardglass - K Smyth?
Dundrum - R McCartan
East Belfast - ?
Aghaderg - ?
St Michael's - L McAlinden?
Glasdrumman - ?

Anyone able to fill in any blanks or correct any errors above?

I should add that Mitchell's & Ballykinler aren't included. I'm assuming they won't field.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on October 30, 2023, 07:40:29 PM
Not sure of all and maybe some have moved on but as far as I believe

Kilcoo - K Lacey
Burren - not in place
CPN - not in place
Clonduff - not in place
Mayobridge - Bernie Murray
Carryduff - F Moriarty
Loughinisland - C O'Toole
Bredagh - G & T McAnulty
Ballyholland - S Mulholland
Castlewellan - unsure

Division 2

Longstone - C Branigan
Bryansford - Not in Place
RGU - K Duffin & C McCrickard
Rostrevor - Not In place
Saval - Not in Place
Saul - Not in Place
Liatroim - P Murray & S Johnson
Shamrocks - DJ Kane
An Riocht  - C Kelly
St John's - S Curran

Division 3

Glenn - S Clark
Drumgath - P Hynes
Annaclone- J Clarke
Ballymartin- Not in Place
Attical - Rafferty
Tullylish - R McShane
Darragh - B Mason
Banbridge- P Feeney
Bosco - M McVeigh
Finn - M Copeland

Division 4

Drumaness - P Morgan
St Paul's- P Hannigan
Bright - Not in Place
Dromara - J Fegan
Teconnaght - C Laverty
Kilclief -
Ardglass -
Dundrum - R McCartan
East Belfast - Not in Place
Aghaderg - Not in Place
St Michael's - L McAlinden
Glasdrumman - Not in Place
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on October 31, 2023, 07:55:38 AM
The lack of Tyrone teams success in the senior ulster club championship doesn't hamper their County team. Best in ulster last 20 odd years. It's seriously competitive. I listened to a former Tyrone player a few months back on the GAA social and he said they look to win a senior championship and then get in the Tyrone panel. That's their goal .they rarely look beyond a Tyrone championship title.  Tyrone championship is competitive. Downs isn't. Kilcoo breeze through it.
 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on October 31, 2023, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2023, 08:23:02 AMIf there is a pattern between club and county success, I've yet to see it. It appears to be totally random.

You had Crossmaglen breezing through Armagh and being successful during a period when Armagh rose to win an All Ireland.
Alternatively, you have Kilcoo breezing through Down and being successful during a poor period of Down county football.
And, as you say, Tyrone were a dominant team in Ulster when their club championship was ultra competitive but they have no standout club.

There is no link.

i would have to disagree, tyrone are in the mix every year in ulster and all ireland , they are consistent in that regard , other teams have flashes of 1-3 years but tyrone are always in the top 8 in ireland imo . so surely that correlates to say what they are doing at club level is successful or at least more consistently successful ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on November 01, 2023, 04:19:03 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 31, 2023, 08:23:02 AMIf there is a pattern between club and county success, I've yet to see it. It appears to be totally random.

You had Crossmaglen breezing through Armagh and being successful during a period when Armagh rose to win an All Ireland.
Alternatively, you have Kilcoo breezing through Down and being successful during a poor period of Down county football.
And, as you say, Tyrone were a dominant team in Ulster when their club championship was ultra competitive but they have no standout club.

There is no link.
in relation to cross they won all irelands in 2011 &2012 when Armagh wee very much in a transition phase and one of the weaker sides in Ulster.  You would think that a good club side should be good for the county though. I would imagine cross first all ireland certainly helped Armagh eventually get over the line from a mentality point of view.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 01, 2023, 08:00:23 AM
Down weren't massively improved when thr kilcoo boys came back in. Now Down Re obviously a work in progress and the lack of big men doesn't do them much good either. But bar them and Burren what club are producing good underage teams consistently.  Tyrone are always competitive at all grades. So their clubs,  schools and development squads are doing a lot right. Success breeds success. Derry are starting on that curve also competing at all levels. A dominant successful club in a county does very little for the county team. Bar Dr crokes with Cooper in the team when did a kerry team last win an senior all Ireland club.  Dub clubs prob different due to sheer numbers. Can't be any bigger clubs in country compared to Kilmacud, Ballyboden,Judes, Vincent's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 01, 2023, 08:42:11 PM
Hearing rumours of a few more managerial movers but not confirmed yet.

Anyone else hear anything?

Truth Hurts you're usually in the know. What's happening?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on November 02, 2023, 09:40:38 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 01, 2023, 08:42:11 PMHearing rumours of a few more managerial movers but not confirmed yet.

Anyone else hear anything?

Truth Hurts you're usually in the know. What's happening?

Sure why don't you tell us the rumours?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 02, 2023, 08:00:06 PM
Quote from: sdg on November 02, 2023, 09:40:38 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 01, 2023, 08:42:11 PMHearing rumours of a few more managerial movers but not confirmed yet.

Anyone else hear anything?

Truth Hurts you're usually in the know. What's happening?

Sure why don't you tell us the rumours?

Wouldn't be right to put something up until it's confirmed. Could be embarrassing to any individual or club if it's not true.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on November 03, 2023, 08:26:43 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 02, 2023, 08:00:06 PM
Quote from: sdg on November 02, 2023, 09:40:38 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 01, 2023, 08:42:11 PMHearing rumours of a few more managerial movers but not confirmed yet.

Anyone else hear anything?

Truth Hurts you're usually in the know. What's happening?

Sure why don't you tell us the rumours?

Wouldn't be right to put something up until it's confirmed. Could be embarrassing to any individual or club if it's not true.

So you would be happy for others to give out names?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 03, 2023, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: sdg on November 03, 2023, 08:26:43 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 02, 2023, 08:00:06 PM
Quote from: sdg on November 02, 2023, 09:40:38 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 01, 2023, 08:42:11 PMHearing rumours of a few more managerial movers but not confirmed yet.

Anyone else hear anything?

Truth Hurts you're usually in the know. What's happening?

Sure why don't you tell us the rumours?

Wouldn't be right to put something up until it's confirmed. Could be embarrassing to any individual or club if it's not true.

So you would be happy for others to give out names?

If they know for a fact then yea.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on November 03, 2023, 01:34:24 PM
byransford gone with an inside man , not sure of the name
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on November 03, 2023, 01:38:51 PM
Quote from: skat man on November 03, 2023, 01:34:24 PMbyransford gone with an inside man , not sure of the name

Hard2listen2 any rumors about this
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SticksandStones on November 03, 2023, 02:05:01 PM
Quote from: Kong King on November 03, 2023, 01:38:51 PM
Quote from: skat man on November 03, 2023, 01:34:24 PMbyransford gone with an inside man , not sure of the name

Hard2listen2 any rumors about this

Hard2listen2 doesn't use rumours. Only Facts
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 03, 2023, 04:14:17 PM
Quote from: skat man on November 03, 2023, 01:34:24 PMbyransford gone with an inside man , not sure of the name

Jim Magorrian. Former player & juvenile coach.
#fact
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 04, 2023, 10:16:14 AM
Good luck to all the Down teams starting their Ulster Campaigns this weekend.

No reason why Kilclief can't beat Swatragh , although they may struggle to keep up with the Derry men.

Bredagh very unfortunate to draw Creggan. Two of the best teams in the championship. Nonetheless, they'll not fear them and dumping the Antrim champions out is a good start to any campaign.

Fintona, from what I'm told, could be a hard test for Drumaness.

Teemore could be the same for Liatroim, but the Fontenoys have the players to go on a good run. Winning two provincial titles in two years across two codes would be some going for them.

Would imagine Kilcoo game is pretty straightforward conclusion?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 04, 2023, 03:54:11 PM
Kilcoo - K Lacey (leaving after season ends)
Burren - ??
CPN - ??
Clonduff - ??
Mayobridge - Bernie Murray
Carryduff - F Moriarty
Loughinisland - C O'Toole
Bredagh - G & T McAnulty
Ballyholland - S Mulholland
Castlewellan - Barney Cunningham

Division 2

Longstone - C Branigan
Bryansford - Jim Magorrian
RGU - K Duffin & C McCrickard
Rostrevor - ??
Saval - ??
Saul - Danny Hughes/Gavin Trainor
Liatroim - P Murray & S Johnson
Shamrocks - DJ Kane
An Riocht  - C Kelly
St John's - S Curran

Division 3

Glenn - S Clark
Drumgath - P Hynes
Annaclone- J Clarke
Ballymartin- ??
Attical - Rafferty
Tullylish - R McShane
Darragh - B Mason
Banbridge- P Feeney
Bosco - M McVeigh
Finn - M Copeland

Division 4

Drumaness - P Morgan
St Paul's- P Hannigan
Bright - ??
Dromara - J Fegan
Teconnaght - C Laverty
Kilclief - ??
Ardglass - ??
Dundrum - R McCartan
East Belfast - ??
Aghaderg - ??
St Michael's - L McAlinden
Glasdrumman - ??

Any update on the ????
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 04, 2023, 08:10:39 PM
John Kennedy to Clonduff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 05, 2023, 01:08:49 PM
According to the Antrim page, our 3rd league game is away to Antrim. Does anyone have the other 6 fixtures? I can't find them anywhere online.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on November 05, 2023, 02:19:46 PM
Liatroim 2-4
Teemore 0-0
@ HT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on November 05, 2023, 04:44:43 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 04, 2023, 08:10:39 PMJohn Kennedy to Clonduff?
Is this a rumour
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 05, 2023, 05:26:47 PM
Quote from: sdg on November 05, 2023, 04:44:43 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 04, 2023, 08:10:39 PMJohn Kennedy to Clonduff?
Is this a rumour

#fact
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 05, 2023, 05:28:50 PM
Easy wins for Kilcoo and liatroim, drumaness beat by 4 by Tyrone junior champions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 05, 2023, 10:45:37 PM
Kilcoo display today suggests they will be a massive force in Ulster this year. Scotstown will feel their wrath next weekend in Newry and then it's a plum tie v either Cross/Trillick - but they are on a different level when they get into Ulster. Glen are potentially the only team that can stop them and Kilcoo owe them one!!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 06, 2023, 05:11:38 PM
Bredagh unfortunate to go out of Ulster in the first round. Creggan a good side- can't fault Bredagh for a one point loss.

Kilclief no match at all for Swatragh. Tough draw for them. Interesting to see how Kilclief get on next year in Intermediate. A lot of lads heading away travelling so the story goes?

Portaferry have a tough championship, but it's not that unrealistic they reach an Ulster Final, although anyone stopping Slaughtneil in the final will be a big ask.

Kilcoo and Liatroim looking line very well oiled machines.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 07, 2023, 03:54:07 PM
QuoteKilclief no match at all for Swatragh. Tough draw for them. Interesting to see how Kilclief get on next year in Intermediate. A lot of lads heading away travelling so the story goes?

Swatragh should not be in the JHC by their own admission!

We have one player leaving for Oz this week and maybe a couple of retirements.  Very small squad all year and the JHC win probably reflects the weakness of the competition more than anything.

There are probably 5 or 6 of our strongest dual players currently working abroad or away travelling.  For a dual club with a limited catchment area it puts real pressure on us to field in either code, never mind be competitive.

There are so many opportunities for young fellas and GAA seems to be down the priority list, just the way of the world now!  I wouldn't fault any of them for choosing to go.

It's maybe easier to persuade fellas to stay if a club is successful on a continuous basis?

There is fantastic work going on at juvenile level and our facilities are excellent so hopefully better days are ahead!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 08, 2023, 12:55:05 AM
You're right about Swatragh  :o

Ulster Championship probably needs some modifying and clarification of who is of junior standard. Swatragh and St Eunan's are not the same standard as Kilclief, Omagh, or Killeavy.

But c'est la vie.

Kilclief seem to punch above their weight to be honest. Fair play to yous.

Wouldn't blame any man for doing what he wants to do. More to life than hurling and football at the end of the day.

I'd imagine success around a club would keep young fellas interested. Far less likely to stick around if lads feel they're just going to get beat.

Good to hear there's good work going on in Kiclief.

Credit to clubs like Kilclief and Aghaderg/Ballyvarley. Small, rural clubs, with small catchment areas and relatively low numbers, but continue to field in both codes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ardstick on November 08, 2023, 10:42:32 AM
Quote from: Splash on November 08, 2023, 12:55:05 AMYou're right about Swatragh  :o

Ulster Championship probably needs some modifying and clarification of who is of junior standard. Swatragh and St Eunan's are not the same standard as Kilclief, Omagh, or Killeavy.

But c'est la vie.

Kilclief seem to punch above their weight to be honest. Fair play to yous.

Wouldn't blame any man for doing what he wants to do. More to life than hurling and football at the end of the day.

I'd imagine success around a club would keep young fellas interested. Far less likely to stick around if lads feel they're just going to get beat.

Good to hear there's good work going on in Kiclief.

Credit to clubs like Kilclief and Aghaderg/Ballyvarley. Small, rural clubs, with small catchment areas and relatively low numbers, but continue to field in both codes.

Would have to agree Splash, Derry Hurling are in a weird spot in that they dont have enough clubs to spread over the 3 different levels of championship. Na Magha are probably the only real Junior side in Derry, its always a level enough game when they are representing them in Ulster. Swatragh would probably give the Down Intermediate a brave rattle.
Maybe Derry should just represent in Intermediate and Senior level.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 08, 2023, 11:03:40 AM
Quote from: Ardstick on November 08, 2023, 10:42:32 AM
Quote from: Splash on November 08, 2023, 12:55:05 AMYou're right about Swatragh  :o

Ulster Championship probably needs some modifying and clarification of who is of junior standard. Swatragh and St Eunan's are not the same standard as Kilclief, Omagh, or Killeavy.

But c'est la vie.

Kilclief seem to punch above their weight to be honest. Fair play to yous.

Wouldn't blame any man for doing what he wants to do. More to life than hurling and football at the end of the day.

I'd imagine success around a club would keep young fellas interested. Far less likely to stick around if lads feel they're just going to get beat.

Good to hear there's good work going on in Kiclief.

Credit to clubs like Kilclief and Aghaderg/Ballyvarley. Small, rural clubs, with small catchment areas and relatively low numbers, but continue to field in both codes.

Would have to agree Splash, Derry Hurling are in a weird spot in that they dont have enough clubs to spread over the 3 different levels of championship. Na Magha are probably the only real Junior side in Derry, its always a level enough game when they are representing them in Ulster. Swatragh would probably give the Down Intermediate a brave rattle.
Maybe Derry should just represent in Intermediate and Senior level.

The Down hurling championships are quickly morphing into the Derry format and may morph even further if the new proposals pass through this winter.
Yes, the Down teams going into Ulster will be more competitive at intermediate and junior but do the true junior teams lose out in their day in the sun winning a county title would be my biggest concern!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 08, 2023, 12:16:30 PM
Derry hurling is in an unusual spot but that format seems to work for them. We have too many teams in Down to implement that sort of championship, although there is an argument that we have too few teams for our current format to be properly effective.

Derry system if far from perfect, and have heard a couple of people in the county unhappy with it it, but I would imagine it will benefit Derry in the long run.

Our junior teams would be more competitive with Na Magha, but last year Na Magha dealt with Warrenpoint handily enough in the first round of Ulster, too.

Derry teams simply appear to be better than our teams. For talks sake, say the worst team in Derry is Na Magha, I'd imagine they'd still win our junior championship without too much bother.

Ballinascreen and Swatragh would be challenging for our intermediate.

Slaughtneil would win our senior.

It's a wonder the Derry county side aren't in Division 2A. Good hurlers, probably just not enough of them.

We probably need to take steps to improve the overall quality of hurling being played in Down.

What are the new proposals? Surely not to adopt something similar to Derry's format?

True junior teams deserve a chance to win silverware at their level.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on November 08, 2023, 04:29:16 PM
At the moment we have 4 senior teams, the ARDS and liatroim plus 3 intermediate. Clonduff, The Point and Balela are not at the level of Carryduff, Bredagh and Shamrocks, they should be in the junior.
They reason Derry are not a better county team is 6+ of their best hurlers are on the Derry football squad. Having 3 senior teams who don't play football really helps our county team in that respect but we do punch above our weight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 08, 2023, 06:06:58 PM
If Bredagh get the players back next year they were missing this season, they will get back to being competitive at senior level. But as it stands they are a good bit off the Ards and Liatroim.

Clonduff and CPN are not at the level of Bredagh or Carryduff, but each would have walked this years JHC. Ballela are a junior level team, and Clonduff (without their top players) beat them by 20+ points in the IHC. They probably shouldn't be in the JHC. Better to have Carryduff and Bredagh in the SHC. Shamrocks aren't as strong as they were over the past few years. Clonduff and the Point probably aren't that far off of them, now.

Interesting to note that each of those teams rely heavily on 1-2 key players, and  there is a noticeable gap in standard when  these key players line out and when they don't.

I would agree that having some of their top hurlers being tied up in the football does have an effect on Derry's hurling fortunes.

The Ards focusing  entirely on hurling has essentially carried our county scene for many years (although players from less traditional clubs are starting to break in).
The fact that the Ards sides continue to play at a high standard has been a massive benefit to us, too. There are hurling only clubs in the likes of Armagh and Tyrone, but these clubs are not at the same standard of the Ards clubs.

We definitely punch above our weight on the county scene- particularly in the 90s when we played in Division One, and beat the likes of Kilkenny, whilst drawing from what was essentially 3, small, rural clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on November 08, 2023, 07:03:18 PM
Who has the biggest pick of the three Ards clubs?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 09, 2023, 01:19:42 AM
Was told it was Portaferry, then Ballycran and then Ballygalget.

Think I'm right in saying Portaferry have a couple lads who would come over on the boat to play for them, too, which obviously would make their pick bigger again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 09, 2023, 08:46:31 AM
Would there be any love for football In Ards?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 09, 2023, 10:32:18 AM
Things Down needs:

A centre of development.
An Ulster minor title.
A competitive SFC.
Two giant midfielders to appear from somewhere.

Things Down doesn't need and will never need but for some reason now have:

A blue away kit.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 09, 2023, 11:00:38 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 09, 2023, 10:32:18 AMThings Down needs:

A centre of development.
An Ulster minor title.
A competitive SFC.
Two giant midfielders to appear from somewhere.

Things Down doesn't need and will never need but for some reason now have:

A blue away kit.



Was wondering were this was going but I agree not a fan of that jersey. Bring back the yellow alternative
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 09, 2023, 11:50:42 AM
Home: Red
Away: Black
Alternative: Yellow

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 09, 2023, 12:16:57 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 09, 2023, 08:46:31 AMWould there be any love for football In Ards?



Think it was said here that Ballycran used to be competitive in Division 3 and the IFC. Know there's a few lads who come across the water to play football.

Personally think that the Ards teams look very fit, strong etc.- and I would imagine that could be enough competitive in Div 4/JFC level.

In my opinion, every club should be a dual club, and every child should have a chance to play both.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 09, 2023, 12:18:58 PM
Quote from: Splash on November 09, 2023, 01:19:42 AMWas told it was Portaferry, then Ballycran and then Ballygalget.

Think I'm right in saying Portaferry have a couple lads who would come over on the boat to play for them, too, which obviously would make their pick bigger again.

Portaferry are by far the bigger parish, so yes in that regard (approx 2500 in the parish), followed by Ballycran/Kircubbin (1500) then we'd be well behind them with 700 or so in the parish.
The lines blur slightly when it comes to club allegiances though and then you've the expanding (nationalist) village of Cloughey which is split between ourselves and Ballycran. There'd be kids neighbours attending the same PS but go to different clubs.
Portaferry would have had a few Kilclief lads play juvenile for them, much like ourselves with Holywood and Newtownards lads, but not so much at adult level.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 09, 2023, 03:19:24 PM
Quote from: Splash on November 09, 2023, 12:16:57 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 09, 2023, 08:46:31 AMWould there be any love for football In Ards?



Think it was said here that Ballycran used to be competitive in Division 3 and the IFC. Know there's a few lads who come across the water to play football.

Personally think that the Ards teams look very fit, strong etc.- and I would imagine that could be enough competitive in Div 4/JFC level.

In my opinion, every club should be a dual club, and every child should have a chance to play both.



We had a couple of Ards men lining out in the football for us this regularly this season.  The boys who traditionally came over were either over just to keep a bit of fitness up or had fallen out with someone in their home club!  Any of the serious hurlers wouldn't even think about it.

JC's clubmate and Down hurling captain played one game for us in Div 4 this season was the outstanding player on the pitch.  Based on the 40 minutes he was on the pitch I reckon he could play Div 1 club football easily.  Might get a few red cards tho!

The Galgets have had a couple in the last few years with the O'Reilly's and Prenter I think?  JC can correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 09, 2023, 04:12:09 PM
Quote from: No1 on November 09, 2023, 03:19:24 PM
Quote from: Splash on November 09, 2023, 12:16:57 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 09, 2023, 08:46:31 AMWould there be any love for football In Ards?



Think it was said here that Ballycran used to be competitive in Division 3 and the IFC. Know there's a few lads who come across the water to play football.

Personally think that the Ards teams look very fit, strong etc.- and I would imagine that could be enough competitive in Div 4/JFC level.

In my opinion, every club should be a dual club, and every child should have a chance to play both.



We had a couple of Ards men lining out in the football for us this regularly this season.  The boys who traditionally came over were either over just to keep a bit of fitness up or had fallen out with someone in their home club!  Any of the serious hurlers wouldn't even think about it.

JC's clubmate and Down hurling captain played one game for us in Div 4 this season was the outstanding player on the pitch.  Based on the 40 minutes he was on the pitch I reckon he could play Div 1 club football easily.  Might get a few red cards tho!

The Galgets have had a couple in the last few years with the O'Reilly's and Prenter I think?  JC can correct me if I'm wrong.

Did wee John play a bit of football for you? didn't know that. I presume that's who it is, not big plebs McGrath...  ;D

Prenter as much as he lives over here is officially a RGU player sanctioned to play hurling for us. I don't think he played any football this year, certainly not championship.
We'd two lads playing for Saul as well, don't think they did last year though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 09, 2023, 04:45:07 PM
Portaferry would have had a few Kilclief lads play juvenile for them, much like ourselves with Holywood and Newtownards lads, but not so much at adult level.

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Would there be many players come down from Newtownards/Bangor/Holywood direction? 

Majority of hurling men I've met from North Down head to Belfast to play their hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on November 09, 2023, 06:07:33 PM
QuoteDid wee John play a bit of football for you? didn't know that. I presume that's who it is, not big plebs McGrath...  ;D

Prenter as much as he lives over here is officially a RGU player sanctioned to play hurling for us. I don't think he played any football this year, certainly not championship.
We'd two lads playing for Saul as well, don't think they did last year though.

Jordy Doran, some boy!  Haven't seen McGrath in a long time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on November 10, 2023, 08:22:09 AM
Anyone see the new alternative Down Jersey? It's Blue and black?? For some reason. I know they had a training Dubin kit last year but this looks like it's an away kit.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 10, 2023, 12:28:50 PM
Quote from: Splash on November 09, 2023, 04:45:07 PMPortaferry would have had a few Kilclief lads play juvenile for them, much like ourselves with Holywood and Newtownards lads, but not so much at adult level.


Would there be many players come down from Newtownards/Bangor/Holywood direction? 

Majority of hurling men I've met from North Down head to Belfast to play their hurling.
[/quote]

It was a good few years ago we'd four or five St Pauls Holywood lads play a bit of hurling at underage for us, one was handy enough and had potential but took off to Cork to a University down there and never appeared back though I think he's playing football for St Pauls again so must have come back up the country
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 10, 2023, 12:30:17 PM
Quote from: No1 on November 09, 2023, 06:07:33 PM
QuoteDid wee John play a bit of football for you? didn't know that. I presume that's who it is, not big plebs McGrath...  ;D

Prenter as much as he lives over here is officially a RGU player sanctioned to play hurling for us. I don't think he played any football this year, certainly not championship.
We'd two lads playing for Saul as well, don't think they did last year though.

Jordy Doran, some boy!  Haven't seen McGrath in a long time.

Sweet Jebus, I can only image what that was like.  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 10, 2023, 05:27:23 PM
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on November 10, 2023, 09:40:44 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 02, 2023, 08:00:06 PM
Quote from: sdg on November 02, 2023, 09:40:38 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 01, 2023, 08:42:11 PMHearing rumours of a few more managerial movers but not confirmed yet.

Anyone else hear anything?

Truth Hurts you're usually in the know. What's happening?

Sure why don't you tell us the rumours?

Wouldn't be right to put something up until it's confirmed. Could be embarrassing to any individual or club if it's not true.

Now thats embrassing
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 11, 2023, 01:31:13 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 10, 2023, 12:28:50 PM
Quote from: Splash on November 09, 2023, 04:45:07 PMPortaferry would have had a few Kilclief lads play juvenile for them, much like ourselves with Holywood and Newtownards lads, but not so much at adult level.


Would there be many players come down from Newtownards/Bangor/Holywood direction? 

Majority of hurling men I've met from North Down head to Belfast to play their hurling.

It was a good few years ago we'd four or five St Pauls Holywood lads play a bit of hurling at underage for us, one was handy enough and had potential but took off to Cork to a University down there and never appeared back though I think he's playing football for St Pauls again so must have come back up the country
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Ah right. Honestly would have assumed most lads coming down from North Down to play hurling  would have went to Ballycran- purely based off of the reasoning they're the first club you hit coming down the Ards.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on November 12, 2023, 12:20:28 PM
Geroid Adams to be joined at Clonduff by St John's and Antrim player Patrick Mcbride...

How does a current club and county player have time to manage another club team in a different county?? Baffling!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 12, 2023, 07:21:17 PM
Let's hope after that today the Dabs playing county rhetoric is finally put to bed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on November 12, 2023, 07:58:00 PM
And in addition to that, hopefully peoples notion of Ryan McEvoy being a top player especially at full back changes.  Never understood this, no good at commanding a square against anyone of similar size. Found out by Murnin, Oneill, Costello and now McCarron & Hughes. Scotstown knew it was a weakness and launched in 4/5 in 2nd half. Nothing about ball gave away at end thats not nice for any player to deal with. Cargin where close to Glen today, scotstown impressed, Trillick defensive strength could take them further. Wide open championship. I apologise to Scotstown I, probably like Kilcoo, was already looking past them
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on November 12, 2023, 08:17:47 PM
Hard luck to our men today. Wasn't meant to be for us, we didn't play to our usual high standards and made a couple of uncharacteristic errors and mistakes that we'd normally not do or get away with....but will take absolutely nothing away from Scotstown. They were up for it and totally deserving of their win. They are a quality side and although mentioned before by another poster, we were definitely not looking past them as we knew what we were up against. Fair play to them and I'd personally like to see them go on and win it but never know in this competition.

Also congratulations to our neighbours in Liatroim on a good win today, great to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on November 12, 2023, 09:18:21 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 12, 2023, 07:21:17 PMLet's hope after that today the Dabs playing county rhetoric is finally put to bed.
I personaly thought Dabs was brilliant today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GAA Madness on November 12, 2023, 09:30:30 PM
One big but fair hit on Eugene Brannigan changed that game today in Scotstowns favour, took Brannigan out of the game and showed they were in a game. After that big personalities pulled them to victory, Hughes, Beggan, McCarron and McCarthy. Kilcoo missed Jerome massively
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mournenan82 on November 12, 2023, 09:55:06 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 12, 2023, 07:21:17 PMLet's hope after that today the Dabs playing county rhetoric is finally put to bed.

If you think there is better men playing for down than him then you're having a proper laugh, yea maybe not top level county standard but far better than what we have playing at the moment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 12, 2023, 10:02:36 PM
Unlike a lot of others on here I wasn't glad to see kilcoo beat, any team representing Down I hope goes on to win, (hopefully Liatroim can do that).

On the match, I thought Kilcoo didn't play near what they can, Scotstown outmuscled them and got on top, Kilcoo just couldn't change the momentum. Scotstown's county men really stood up when it mattered, the last 2 scores were as good as you'll see.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 12, 2023, 10:03:49 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on November 12, 2023, 09:18:21 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 12, 2023, 07:21:17 PMLet's hope after that today the Dabs playing county rhetoric is finally put to bed.
I personaly thought Dabs was brilliant today
Thought he had good game as well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on November 12, 2023, 10:21:16 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 12, 2023, 10:03:49 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on November 12, 2023, 09:18:21 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 12, 2023, 07:21:17 PMLet's hope after that today the Dabs playing county rhetoric is finally put to bed.
I personaly thought Dabs was brilliant today
Thought he had good game as well.
Still a great player even if his club have become obnoxious
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on November 12, 2023, 10:26:08 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 16, 2022, 02:13:38 PM
Quote from: thebar on February 16, 2022, 02:00:25 PMWith Kilcoo now All Ireland Champions the question is can anyone realistically expect to beat these men or are we set for another decade of dominance from Kilcoo? Personally can't see any team stopping them in Down for the foreseeable and not sure if this is a good or bad thing. It has to be said they have taken the whole approach to club football up to a serious level and I'm not sure many teams have the appetite to compete with it.

They definitely can be beat they've a glaring weakness in defence that if management teams planned properly could expose with good free-takers and the exploitation of the Mark Rule. The full back line doesn't have the legs and sit quite narrow so using the mark to get the ball out wide would allow teams to tip over points providing they've reliable scorers from the dead ball

I remembered today I messaged on here about using the mark to exploit Kilcoo and replies weren't to favourable - just thought I'd give this a bump after Scotstowns score to level
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 12, 2023, 10:31:59 PM

I personaly thought Dabs was brilliant today
[/quote]Thought he had good game as well.
[/quote]

Watch the game lads please. No matter how bad he is everyone just sees him touch the ball twice and their mind thinks he was class - Kicked a good point - was out muscled for the ball time and time again particularly by Darren Hughes and was missing in the last ten minutes when they needed him badly to just grab a ball and get them out - be a leader. I'm not saying he's not a good player but he is not and has never been county standard. Don't get blinded by fact he has medals galore - so did many players in the past but were not county standard. What we have at present is Doherty - I would much prefer him to be honest - not the tallest but some player.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 12, 2023, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 12, 2023, 10:31:59 PMI personaly thought Dabs was brilliant today
Thought he had good game as well.
[/quote]

Watch the game lads please. No matter how bad he is everyone just sees him touch the ball twice and their mind thinks he was class - Kicked a good point - was out muscled for the ball time and time again particularly by Darren Hughes and was missing in the last ten minutes when they needed him badly to just grab a ball and get them out - be a leader. I'm not saying he's not a good player but he is not and has never been county standard. Don't get blinded by fact he has medals galore - so did many players in the past but were not county standard. What we have at present is Doherty - I would much prefer him to be honest - not the tallest but some player.
[/quote]didn't think Ceilum Doherty had a great game compared to his high standards, neither did Shealan Johnson. Jerome was a big loss for Kilcoo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on November 12, 2023, 11:09:30 PM
Kilcoo were poor. They sat back after the penalty and invited Scotstown on to them. Deserved to loose. Credit to Scotstown, they looked good and have big game players. They'll take some stopping.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on November 13, 2023, 12:31:40 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 12, 2023, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 12, 2023, 10:31:59 PMI personaly thought Dabs was brilliant today
Thought he had good game as well.

Watch the game lads please. No matter how bad he is everyone just sees him touch the ball twice and their mind thinks he was class - Kicked a good point - was out muscled for the ball time and time again particularly by Darren Hughes and was missing in the last ten minutes when they needed him badly to just grab a ball and get them out - be a leader. I'm not saying he's not a good player but he is not and has never been county standard. Don't get blinded by fact he has medals galore - so did many players in the past but were not county standard. What we have at present is Doherty - I would much prefer him to be honest - not the tallest but some player.
[/quote]didn't think Ceilum Doherty had a great game compared to his high standards, neither did Shealan Johnson. Jerome was a big loss for Kilcoo.
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He may have been outmuscled by two physically stronger players, but McCarron and Hughes didn't/can't do what Dabs does like getting up and down the pitch, soloing forward with the ball, taking on men breaking lines and getting some good intercepting tackles in. He did a lot of that yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 13, 2023, 12:55:29 PM
Quote from: ck on November 12, 2023, 11:09:30 PMKilcoo were poor. They sat back after the penalty and invited Scotstown on to them. Deserved to loose. Credit to Scotstown, they looked good and have big game players. They'll take some stopping.

Was it poor from Kilcoo so much as they ran into a team with bigger, stronger county-standard players, who were capable of making Kilcoo doubt their own ways of playing?

Scotstown were clever in how they went about it. By hanging full forwards right on the end line, they were able to stretch Kilcoo's defensive lines; especially so as Beggan was the quarter back. By being comfortable with 15m kick passes, they were able to open opportunities for easy marks. By virtue of Kieran Hughes patrolling the left half forward flank (second half), they were able to force Kilcoo long from restarts, where they would always struggle to match Scotstown in the air - indeed Dylan Ward was probably a greater loss to Kilcoo than Jerome yesterday. And of course Scotstown never allowed the game to become a running 3-way battle of wits between them, Kilcoo and the ref. They hit hard, fouled clinically, then got up and walked away.

But for all that, the reality is that Scotstown won because - as outstanding as Kilcoo's sum-of-all-parts is - when county standard players hit top gear in club football, they're just better at the game. And all of Scotstown's star players delivered.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on November 13, 2023, 01:58:53 PM
Has Jerome Johnston been injured? Was taken off early in the county final I recall, never played since?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: redandblackareback on November 13, 2023, 03:57:05 PM
All not well in the camp pre game set the tone for a poor performance. Kilcoo physio who Lacey brought into the set up decided to go to the Naomh Conaill game and it did not go down well with Laverty and Choc. Lacey 100% heading back to Donegal and word is he struggled to deal with a few big egos over the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on November 13, 2023, 09:50:12 PM
As we sat and watched the game in St Mary's club rooms, the echoes of the cheers to Rory Beggan's free boomed throughout the parish. What a time to be alive, still the only club in down with 2 All Irelands. You'll never catch us and we absolutely love every single second of it. Thank you Rory Beggan and Thank you Scotstown. Hughes will never have to put his hand in his pocket in Burren club either, great lads. Now we can rest easy as the aristocrats remain on 🔝
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on November 13, 2023, 10:05:18 PM
Quote from: upandwin on November 13, 2023, 09:50:12 PMAs we sat and watched the game in St Mary's club rooms, the echoes of the cheers to Rory Beggan's free boomed throughout the parish. What a time to be alive, still the only club in down with 2 All Irelands. You'll never catch us and we absolutely love every single second of it. Thank you Rory Beggan and Thank you Scotstown. Hughes will never have to put his hand in his pocket in Burren club either, great lads. Now we can rest easy as the aristocrats remain on 🔝
Wouldn't it be great if St Marys didn't have to rely on others now. That's what its come to sadly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on November 13, 2023, 10:29:37 PM
Quote from: redandblackareback on November 13, 2023, 03:57:05 PMAll not well in the camp pre game set the tone for a poor performance. Kilcoo physio who Lacey brought into the set up decided to go to the Naomh Conaill game and it did not go down well with Laverty and Choc. Lacey 100% heading back to Donegal and word is he struggled to deal with a few big egos over the last few weeks.

Maybe they heard they money Lacey was on?  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 14, 2023, 08:39:10 AM
I've always supported Down sides when they've played in Ulster. Sad to see.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: elk on November 14, 2023, 11:54:27 AM
Quote from: upandwin on November 13, 2023, 09:50:12 PMAs we sat and watched the game in St Mary's club rooms, the echoes of the cheers to Rory Beggan's free boomed throughout the parish. What a time to be alive, still the only club in down with 2 All Irelands. You'll never catch us and we absolutely love every single second of it. Thank you Rory Beggan and Thank you Scotstown. Hughes will never have to put his hand in his pocket in Burren club either, great lads. Now we can rest easy as the aristocrats remain on 🔝
genie didn't know what part of himself to hold after Hughes bumped into him, wasn't sure where his head was :(
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mournenan82 on November 14, 2023, 01:35:01 PM
The great burren club relying on other clubs for their success sums them up these days. Here's to the next 10 years of them shitting the nest when they see black and white
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on November 14, 2023, 02:07:47 PM
 ;D brilliant. The mighty burren
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on November 14, 2023, 05:39:40 PM
Hughes will never have to put his hand in his pocket in Burren club either, great lads. Now we can rest easy as the aristocrats

Is that Danny Hughes?   
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ardstick on November 16, 2023, 01:13:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 14, 2023, 08:39:10 AMI've always supported Down sides when they've played in Ulster. Sad to see.
Yes would def support the down hurley and football clubs in Ulster, we need could do with a bit more success like Kilcoo. Can understand though rival clubs not wanting to support each other. Still got the Ports in the Hurley and Liatriom in the Footy so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on November 17, 2023, 01:57:51 PM
are all management teams now in place ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on November 17, 2023, 03:37:16 PM
Quote from: skat man on November 17, 2023, 01:57:51 PMare all management teams now in place ?

Dont ask hard2listen2
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 17, 2023, 07:04:06 PM
Quote from: Kong King on November 17, 2023, 03:37:16 PM
Quote from: skat man on November 17, 2023, 01:57:51 PMare all management teams now in place ?

Dont ask hard2listen2

Have my feelers out but waiting on confirmation for a couple

Have you any inside info?

Truth Hurts is the man with the sources in local cafes. Waiting on his insight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 17, 2023, 07:43:07 PM
Quote from: skat man on November 17, 2023, 01:57:51 PMare all management teams now in place ?


Kilcoo?
Burren?
Warrenpoint?
Rostrevor?
Saval?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on November 17, 2023, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 17, 2023, 07:43:07 PM
Quote from: skat man on November 17, 2023, 01:57:51 PMare all management teams now in place ?


Kilcoo?
Burren?
Warrenpoint?
Rostrevor?
Saval?

Did Lacey get the sack?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on November 17, 2023, 09:49:47 PM
Quote from: ck on November 17, 2023, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 17, 2023, 07:43:07 PM
Quote from: skat man on November 17, 2023, 01:57:51 PMare all management teams now in place ?


Kilcoo?
Burren?
Warrenpoint?
Rostrevor?
Saval?

Did Lacey get the sack?
Think hes with Jim in Donegal setup next year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 17, 2023, 11:39:28 PM
Good luck to Portaferry this weekend.

Beating the Antrim Champions is always a tough ask.

Cushendall big favourites, but Portaferry have beaten them before and will believe they can do it again. Playing year in year out in the Antrim league probably means they'll be more comfortable against this opposition than they were against Slaughtneil last year.

Plenty of good hurlers in Portaferry (Tom McGrattan, Finn Turpin, Pearse Smith and Ciaran Savage particular names to watch imo) be interesting to see if they can cope with the likes of Paddy Burke who seem to be flying at the moment.

I wondered how any team in Down would cope with the physicality and size of Slaughtneil or Cushendall, but Portaferry showed in the County Final they could outplay Ballycran's physical dominance. Rinse and repeat here?

Still a (relatively) young Portaferry team, and great chance for them to make a bit of a statement. I'd say they want to show last years Ulster result wasn't a reflection of the quality of the team. Been plenty of upsets across the country so far. Hopefully the Ardsmen can add another.

Last time a Down team won Ulster was when Portaferry beat Cushendall. Be great to see it again 9 years later.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 17, 2023, 11:58:13 PM
Speaking to a Mitchell's man recently. Says it looks like the club won't be lining out this year. Hardly a surprise, but awful pity.

What on Earth went wrong with Newry Mitchell's? 

Hard to know where the club can go from here. Ideally would be hoping to get to the level of Magherlin or Aghaderg if they do manage to pull it together?

Where could they get players from? In theory, Chapel Street/Courtney Hill/High Street part of the town? Problem is competing with Shamrocks and Ballyholland.

How does a fella in Newry choose whether he is Mitchell's or Shamrocks? Assuming the generic 'because his dad played for them' but how did we end up with two teams in the same small area?

Interesting how most ppl in the town over a certain age, seem to be Mitchell's men, whilst those under that age seem to be Shamrocks. Don't ask me what age that is, but it definitely seems that Shamrocks have dominance in the youth scene, which is no surprise given the Mitchell's not even fielding underage teams.

When did the shift happen? How did Shamrocks become a competitive intermediate club in both codes playing out of the county grounds whilst Mitchell's went from SFC Champions to what they are now?

Hope Mitchell's come back. Hope they field this year. Terror to see any club in the position they find themselves in.

Worth mentioning, there doesn't seem to be a great Gaelic Games scene in Newry at the moment. This needs to be addressed. I'm a big proponent of tapping into North Down, but we mustn't forget the likes of Newry at the same time. 

Is it worth noting that Newcastle and Downpatrick both have one team (Bryansford and RGU respectively), whilst Newry has 4 (Shamrocks, Bosco, Mitchell's, and Correnshigo across in Armagh). Some would argue Ballyholland merits being a Newry team now. Not saying we need to amalgamate all the clubs, but it is interesting to observe.

Soccer also seems to be very popular in the town at the minute. Nothing wrong with soccer, but important to ensure Gaelic Games evolve and remain as relevant and as attractive as Newry City AFC.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on November 18, 2023, 01:47:20 AM
Quote from: Splash on November 17, 2023, 11:58:13 PMSpeaking to a Mitchell's man recently. Says it looks like the club won't be lining out this year. Hardly a surprise, but awful pity.

What on Earth went wrong with Newry Mitchell's? 

Hard to know where the club can go from here. Ideally would be hoping to get to the level of Magherlin or Aghaderg if they do manage to pull it together?

Where could they get players from? In theory, Chapel Street/Courtney Hill/High Street part of the town? Problem is competing with Shamrocks and Ballyholland.

How does a fella in Newry choose whether he is Mitchell's or Shamrocks? Assuming the generic 'because his dad played for them' but how did we end up with two teams in the same small area?

Interesting how most ppl in the town over a certain age, seem to be Mitchell's men, whilst those under that age seem to be Shamrocks. Don't ask me what age that is, but it definitely seems that Shamrocks have dominance in the youth scene, which is no surprise given the Mitchell's not even fielding underage teams.

When did the shift happen? How did Shamrocks become a competitive intermediate club in both codes playing out of the county grounds whilst Mitchell's went from SFC Champions to what they are now?

Hope Mitchell's come back. Hope they field this year. Terror to see any club in the position they find themselves in.

Worth mentioning, there doesn't seem to be a great Gaelic Games scene in Newry at the moment. This needs to be addressed. I'm a big proponent of tapping into North Down, but we mustn't forget the likes of Newry at the same time. 

Is it worth noting that Newcastle and Downpatrick both have one team (Bryansford and RGU respectively), whilst Newry has 4 (Shamrocks, Bosco, Mitchell's, and Correnshigo across in Armagh). Some would argue Ballyholland merits being a Newry team now. Not saying we need to amalgamate all the clubs, but it is interesting to observe.

Soccer also seems to be very popular in the town at the minute. Nothing wrong with soccer, but important to ensure Gaelic Games evolve and remain as relevant and as attractive as Newry City AFC.



As you said, the problem for the Mitchels seems to be the lack of any real catchment area. The Shamrocks have basically taken over that part of the town and there's no room for the Mitchels whatsoever. Bosco have the other side of the town covered, the Armagh Road/Meadow (St Joseph's Convent PS/St. Patrick's Meadow PS), and Corrinshego historically get a lot of players from the Barcroft/Carnagat/ Drumalane areas (St. Malachy's PS catchment area). They're also benefitting from the west side of the town getting a lot more new housing developments which is helping to keep their underage scene going. In addition they have the area around Corrinshego itself where the old club house used to be, which was always their core base for players. Mitchel's never had an area as such.

Soccer is also popular, that's true. However, I don't think it can be used as an adequate excuse. Lurgan is a town of roughly the same size and has as many distractions as Newry, along with a significantly larger Unionist/Loyalist population. However they're able to maintain 3 clubs in the Armagh senior championship, and one who reached 3 of the past 4 intermediate finals. This clearly benefits Armagh too. They also have a club competing in the Armagh junior hurling championship. On their outskirts they have Eire Og in Craigavon as well as Aghagallon in county Antrim and Magheralin in county Down.
The main difference in Lurgan is that the clubs have clearly defined areas where they are based and draw their players from, for example St Paul's in Taghnevan and Clann Eireann in Kilwilkie. With the Shamrocks taking over the area that the Mitchels relied on, there's no space for them to survive.
Less clubs isn't necessarily a bad thing for Newry and Down if it leads to better results and participation, but I don't see either happening anytime soon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general_lee on November 18, 2023, 02:11:35 PM
Quote from: ranch on November 18, 2023, 01:47:20 AMSoccer is also popular, that's true. However, I don't think it can be used as an adequate excuse. Lurgan is a town of roughly the same size and has as many distractions as Newry, along with a significantly larger Unionist/Loyalist population. However they're able to maintain 3 clubs in the Armagh senior championship, and one who reached 3 of the past 4 intermediate finals. This clearly benefits Armagh too. They also have a club competing in the Armagh junior hurling championship. On their outskirts they have Eire Og in Craigavon as well as Aghagallon in county Antrim and Magheralin in county Down.
The main difference in Lurgan is that the clubs have clearly defined areas where they are based and draw their players from, for example St Paul's in Taghnevan and Clann Eireann in Kilwilkie. With the Shamrocks taking over the area that the Mitchels relied on, there's no space for them to survive.
Less clubs isn't necessarily a bad thing for Newry and Down if it leads to better results and participation, but I don't see either happening anytime soon.
The main difference is the Lurgan clubs worked their f**king socks off at youth level. There was a period not that long ago that the town had no players on the Armagh minor or senior teams and no club playing in the senior championship.

Clann Éireann didn't win their first senior championship in 60 years by accident. Clan na Gael didn't reach a first senior final in 17 years by fluke. They both put in the hard yards at underage. St Peter's have also made a big push in recent years and have consolidated their place in senior football. St Paul's have facilities that would be the envy of most clubs in Ireland. It's just hard work from volunteers in each club. 

It's nothing to do with clearly defined boundaries. St Paul's were a breakaway club from Clan na Gael in St Paul's parish and Clann Eireann and the Peter's both cover the same catchment area of St Peter's parish - in reality though players from all clubs come from all over town.

What exactly happened Mitchels for them to end up where they are? When did they last field at underage? Maybe starting from underage is the way to go? Surely Newry is big enough to keep them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 18, 2023, 03:17:07 PM
Mitchels woes surrounding how and why they lost access to the now Pairc Esler pre-date me.

I'd assume what happened there, and the lack of a definable home, was likely linked to losing a cohort of quality players that would have peaked in the late 1980s like DJ Kane,  Martin Lynch and Martin Durkan

I do remember them starting again with youth teams in the mid-eighties, so I'm assuming the whole club was close to collapsing early 1980s

At that time they played their football out of the council facilities known as the Donkey Fields, which was far from luxurious but it was handy got to for hundreds of houses.

When the Donkey Fields were reclaimed by the council (late 1990s I believe) to become part of Greenbank Industrial Estate, this would have left them homeless again, only they were rehoused in what became Gerry Brown Park.

Although located perhaps only half a mile from the Donkey Fields, I'd think this was the move that condemned the Mitchels to death by a thousand cuts.

I know they were desperate for a home field, and their intentions were for the best. But because the nearest chimney pot was (and will always be) a mile away, it was impossible to generate a community spirit around the club. And because the only way to get to Gerry Brown park involved passing a GAA stadium and a soccer stadium, to arrive at a portakabin, it was always going to be difficult to attract youth players unless they'd family ties to the club.

With Shamrocks, Ballyholland and even those crafty Burren buggers laying claim to the Warrenpoint Road area, the conveyor belt slowed up then creaked, then ground to a halt.

It was obvious a decade ago that Mitchels were going to run out of players before long. It's been about 6 years since they last fielded a team at any juvenile level. And attempts to make the seniors into a style of "social football" team were always going to fail. Social footballers don't drive the length of the county on Friday evenings to play D4 football.

It's an awful shame for the committed players and administrators they've had over the years. Some great people.

The bottom line reality is you can't have a GAA club without a community to support it:
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 18, 2023, 06:00:07 PM
Lurgan is probably a great example to compare Newry to.

I've viewed the impact the Lurgan teams have had on Armagh as an example of what impact Bredagh, Carryduff, etc., could have on Down, but it makes a lot of sense to compare them to Newry instead. 

Don't know a heap of what goes on in Lurgan, but from craic I've heard, a lot of work has been put into the GAA scene. Know some very committed men in Newry, around Shamrocks especially. Would be great to see them results similar to what Lurgan has produced.

Simply due to the fact that a majority of new housing in Newry will be built on the west side of the town due to geographical reasons, it is worth discussing at some point how the Down clubs will benefit from this. Correnshigo will obviously benefit, but there is an argument that Bosco could benefit, too.

Very interesting insight, Wobbler. Never knew a lot of that. Mitchell's location is really not going to help them. The problem is trying to figure out where they could find a home. Majority of Mitchell's men I know come from around the High Street area. Nowhere they could really be based out of without infringing on the catchment areas of other clubs, though.

Not having an underage set up was only ever going to lead to disaster down the line. The attempts to market Mitchell's in a 'social football' style, whilst a good idea, wasn't sustainable given the situation. That take on the situation may have worked in say, East Belfast's situation. They have large numbers which makes things a lot easier. Hard to market it as 'social football' and then try and get 15 lads to travel to the far side of East Down every week (the fact that most teams the Mitchell's would be playing would be quite far away definitely doesn't help- closest team in Div 4 would be Aghaderg or Bosco if they game down?).

I'm sure it's already been looked at, but what was it that made Aughlasnfin become a competitive junior side whilst being so close to Castlewellen? Perhaps a model for the Mitchell's to follow in there?

Was said to me before that there could be a solution in bringing in fellas from say, Ballyholland, who can't commit to the demands of senior football or aren't making the senior team, but it is definitely a rabbit hole to go down trying to take players from other clubs to sustain a team.

Hope there is a solution some day. But a lot of problems to over come. The county board perhaps needs to do something to ensure the game remains popular in Newry.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 18, 2023, 06:35:46 PM
Some great posts above about the need for investment in juvenile football (time & effort more so than simply financial although that always helps!).

The community aspect is also critical.
Kids have to want to emulate their heroes they see every week in a club jersey.

There have been a good few discussions about the need for rural clubs to amalgamate in order to thrive but here we are talking about an urban area that probably can't sustain the number of clubs it has.
Hard to know the solution in either scenario.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on November 18, 2023, 09:21:35 PM
Any word on Odhran Murdock? Couldn't blame the fella for having a go at professional sports and best of luck to him if he goes, just noticed a lot of AFL clubs heading for preseason soon and no mention of him signing for anyone. Some boost if he stays.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on November 19, 2023, 03:27:14 AM
Quote from: Splash on November 18, 2023, 06:00:07 PMLurgan is probably a great example to compare Newry to.

I've viewed the impact the Lurgan teams have had on Armagh as an example of what impact Bredagh, Carryduff, etc., could have on Down, but it makes a lot of sense to compare them to Newry instead. 

Don't know a heap of what goes on in Lurgan, but from craic I've heard, a lot of work has been put into the GAA scene. Know some very committed men in Newry, around Shamrocks especially. Would be great to see them results similar to what Lurgan has produced.

Simply due to the fact that a majority of new housing in Newry will be built on the west side of the town due to geographical reasons, it is worth discussing at some point how the Down clubs will benefit from this. Correnshigo will obviously benefit, but there is an argument that Bosco could benefit, too.

Very interesting insight, Wobbler. Never knew a lot of that. Mitchell's location is really not going to help them. The problem is trying to figure out where they could find a home. Majority of Mitchell's men I know come from around the High Street area. Nowhere they could really be based out of without infringing on the catchment areas of other clubs, though.

Not having an underage set up was only ever going to lead to disaster down the line. The attempts to market Mitchell's in a 'social football' style, whilst a good idea, wasn't sustainable given the situation. That take on the situation may have worked in say, East Belfast's situation. They have large numbers which makes things a lot easier. Hard to market it as 'social football' and then try and get 15 lads to travel to the far side of East Down every week (the fact that most teams the Mitchell's would be playing would be quite far away definitely doesn't help- closest team in Div 4 would be Aghaderg or Bosco if they game down?).

I'm sure it's already been looked at, but what was it that made Aughlasnfin become a competitive junior side whilst being so close to Castlewellen? Perhaps a model for the Mitchell's to follow in there?

Was said to me before that there could be a solution in bringing in fellas from say, Ballyholland, who can't commit to the demands of senior football or aren't making the senior team, but it is definitely a rabbit hole to go down trying to take players from other clubs to sustain a team.

Hope there is a solution some day. But a lot of problems to over come. The county board perhaps needs to do something to ensure the game remains popular in Newry.


An increase in housing being in west Newry may benefit Bosco in addition to Corrinshego, but you'll also have clubs like Carrickcruppen, Killeavy and Shane O'Neills who will do their best to get involved. It'll be hard for Down to get the benefit that they may have if it was on the other side of Newry.

As for the Mitchels, it's pretty clear from Wobbler's post where the problems have stemmed from. As a small club without a community to call their own they were always going to struggle. The difference with a small club like Corrinshego was that underage football always survived despite the struggles of the senior team, mainly due to having a clear catchment area. Bosco also have a similar advantage.

Soccer is regularly blamed for its impact, but Lurgan is a pretty big soccer town too. How is it that Newry is so different?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 19, 2023, 11:06:30 AM
Sad news this morning with the breaking news of the death of Sean McCashin, the Down Ulster Council delegate and referee.
Thoughts and prayers for his family and friends.
He's been a member of our club the last few years.

RIP Sean.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on November 19, 2023, 11:14:07 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 19, 2023, 11:06:30 AMSad news this morning with the breaking news of the death of Sean McCashin, the Down Ulster Council delegate and referee.
Thoughts and prayers for his family and friends.
He's been a member of our club the last few years.

RIP Sean.

RIP Sean. That was a man truly dedicated to Down GAA.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on November 19, 2023, 05:57:49 PM
Sean was great servant to gaa in down. He will be badly missed. RIP
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on November 19, 2023, 09:00:23 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on November 17, 2023, 09:49:47 PM
Quote from: ck on November 17, 2023, 09:30:50 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 17, 2023, 07:43:07 PM
Quote from: skat man on November 17, 2023, 01:57:51 PMare all management teams now in place ?


Kilcoo?
Burren?
Warrenpoint?
Rostrevor?
Saval?

Did Lacey get the sack?
Think hes with Jim in Donegal setup next year

McGuinness interviewed over weekend and said Lacey will not be part of his backroom team.
So has he been sacked from Kilcoo or what?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 20, 2023, 12:27:13 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 17, 2023, 07:43:07 PM
Quote from: skat man on November 17, 2023, 01:57:51 PMare all management teams now in place ?


Kilcoo?
Burren?
Warrenpoint?
Rostrevor?
Saval?

Sean Morrison to Saval.

Management team includes Patrick Morrison and Padraig Rafferty.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 20, 2023, 01:07:24 AM
Gut wrenching for Portaferry. Should have got the win today.

I'm sure there'll be a lot of 'what ifs' on the long road back to the Ards Peninsula from Armagh. There were chances when they could have sealed it, but there's a lot of positives to take away from today nonetheless. They gave it a lash. Couldn't have asked much more of them.

Plenty of young players stood up today when it was needed, and there'll be plenty for them to take away from this game.

If Portaferry perform like that regularly,  the future could be bright for this group.

Ultimately Neil McManus was the difference. Other players played their role, but not many can do what McManus did today. To score half of Cushendall's points, keeping the Antrim men within touching distance of Portaferry, before putting the free in the net with the last puck of the game, to put the match to extra time, was phenomenal on his behalf.

Genuinely think the Ports gave it their best shot, and couldn't have done too much more today. Did themselves proud.


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Very sad to hear about Sean McCashin.
Did a lot of good work for Down.
May he Rest in Peace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 20, 2023, 08:31:25 AM
Rest in Peace. Sean, a decent man who always stood up for East Down clubs .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 20, 2023, 09:06:28 AM
Quote from: Splash on November 20, 2023, 01:07:24 AMGut wrenching for Portaferry. Should have got the win today.

I'm sure there'll be a lot of 'what ifs' on the long road back to the Ards Peninsula from Armagh. There were chances when they could have sealed it, but there's a lot of positives to take away from today nonetheless. They gave it a lash. Couldn't have asked much more of them.

Plenty of young players stood up today when it was needed, and there'll be plenty for them to take away from this game.

If Portaferry perform like that regularly,  the future could be bright for this group.

Ultimately Neil McManus was the difference. Other players played their role, but not many can do what McManus did today. To score half of Cushendall's points, keeping the Antrim men within touching distance of Portaferry, before putting the free in the net with the last puck of the game, to put the match to extra time, was phenomenal on his behalf.

Genuinely think the Ports gave it their best shot, and couldn't have done too much more today. Did themselves proud.


White line fever...

They had it in sight, four points up. 5 minutes of ordinary time to go and spurned the additional few points that would have put the game beyond Cushendall..

Making the right call, not shooting wildly in panic comes with experience and that bit of knowhow in tight situations.

The injury to Eoghan Sands was pivotal all the same, he ran himself into the ground.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on November 20, 2023, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 20, 2023, 09:06:28 AM
Quote from: Splash on November 20, 2023, 01:07:24 AMGut wrenching for Portaferry. Should have got the win today.

I'm sure there'll be a lot of 'what ifs' on the long road back to the Ards Peninsula from Armagh. There were chances when they could have sealed it, but there's a lot of positives to take away from today nonetheless. They gave it a lash. Couldn't have asked much more of them.

Plenty of young players stood up today when it was needed, and there'll be plenty for them to take away from this game.

If Portaferry perform like that regularly,  the future could be bright for this group.

Ultimately Neil McManus was the difference. Other players played their role, but not many can do what McManus did today. To score half of Cushendall's points, keeping the Antrim men within touching distance of Portaferry, before putting the free in the net with the last puck of the game, to put the match to extra time, was phenomenal on his behalf.

Genuinely think the Ports gave it their best shot, and couldn't have done too much more today. Did themselves proud.


White line fever...

They had it in sight, four points up. 5 minutes of ordinary time to go and spurned the additional few points that would have put the game beyond Cushendall..

Making the right call, not shooting wildly in panic comes with experience and that bit of knowhow in tight situations.

The injury to Eoghan Sands was pivotal all the same, he ran himself into the ground.

Portaferry left it behind them some great young players on the team.. End to end game huge physicality.. All the same expect Slaghneil to win the final with likes of Brendan Rodgers etc..
RIP Sean, a true Gael of Down GAA (Wouldn't it be a honour towards him to see Ballykinlar revived in the future)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 21, 2023, 05:01:00 PM
Quote from: dingle82 on November 20, 2023, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 20, 2023, 09:06:28 AM
Quote from: Splash on November 20, 2023, 01:07:24 AMGut wrenching for Portaferry. Should have got the win today.

I'm sure there'll be a lot of 'what ifs' on the long road back to the Ards Peninsula from Armagh. There were chances when they could have sealed it, but there's a lot of positives to take away from today nonetheless. They gave it a lash. Couldn't have asked much more of them.

Plenty of young players stood up today when it was needed, and there'll be plenty for them to take away from this game.

If Portaferry perform like that regularly,  the future could be bright for this group.

Ultimately Neil McManus was the difference. Other players played their role, but not many can do what McManus did today. To score half of Cushendall's points, keeping the Antrim men within touching distance of Portaferry, before putting the free in the net with the last puck of the game, to put the match to extra time, was phenomenal on his behalf.

Genuinely think the Ports gave it their best shot, and couldn't have done too much more today. Did themselves proud.


White line fever...

They had it in sight, four points up. 5 minutes of ordinary time to go and spurned the additional few points that would have put the game beyond Cushendall..

Making the right call, not shooting wildly in panic comes with experience and that bit of knowhow in tight situations.

The injury to Eoghan Sands was pivotal all the same, he ran himself into the ground.

Portaferry left it behind them some great young players on the team.. End to end game huge physicality.. All the same expect Slaghneil to win the final with likes of Brendan Rodgers etc..
RIP Sean, a true Gael of Down GAA (Wouldn't it be a honour towards him to see Ballykinlar revived in the future)


The attempt to go hunting for goals at the end, as opposed to taking several chances at points, ultimately let Cushendall back into it. Was understandable given how McAlister had played. If they had got a goal, we'd be talking about how deadly Portaferry were and how they took their chances. Fine margins.

Would agree about Sands. The man had some game.

Portaferry's performance was a great response to anyone who doubted their quality after last year.

Cushendall showed they are a top team in extra time, but still would imagine Slaughtneil to win the final.

Be interesting next year with the Down Champions having a bye to the final. We've seen Down teams are able to compete with other teams in Ulster. Another performance like that next year, in a final, who knows what could happen.


Agreed, it would be great to see Ballykinlar revived, particularly in tribute to Sean McCashin. Imagine this is different again from the Mitchell's situation. Did Ballykinlar fold due to lack of numbers? What would need to be done to bring a team back to the parish?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on November 21, 2023, 06:16:22 PM
Small margins really. Great 2nd half.

Cushendall looked as if they were comfortable in the game but kept conceeding silly goals (from their point of view). An early one, then 2 very soft ones in the 2 nd half. Portaferry got the goals at the right time and it gave them something to fight for.

Great entertainment in 2nd half. Mc Manus came out to No. 11 and got on a lot more ball.  I think he's more danger out the pitch a bit, rather than full-forward. Never mind the goal he got but he kept Cushendall in it - picking off crucials points from play at crucial stages to keep the Antrim men just about in touch.

Funny if Portaferry man didn't foul him in injury time, he probably wouldn't have scored a goal from open play. He'd had been crowded out. The lad just wrestled him to the ground and take the chances with the free.

Should you tell the defenders not to pull a man down in that case as there's usually enough bodies back but just a rush of blood?

Portaferry will be gutted as they played well. Cushendall will be also but in a different way - they'll be glad to get a good 87+ mins of high energy sapping hurling plus a good week to recover. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 22, 2023, 10:15:46 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 21, 2023, 06:16:22 PMSmall margins really. Great 2nd half.

Cushendall looked as if they were comfortable in the game but kept conceeding silly goals (from their point of view). An early one, then 2 very soft ones in the 2 nd half. Portaferry got the goals at the right time and it gave them something to fight for.

Great entertainment in 2nd half. Mc Manus came out to No. 11 and got on a lot more ball.  I think he's more danger out the pitch a bit, rather than full-forward. Never mind the goal he got but he kept Cushendall in it - picking off crucials points from play at crucial stages to keep the Antrim men just about in touch.

Funny if Portaferry man didn't foul him in injury time, he probably wouldn't have scored a goal from open play. He'd had been crowded out. The lad just wrestled him to the ground and take the chances with the free.

Should you tell the defenders not to pull a man down in that case as there's usually enough bodies back but just a rush of blood?

Portaferry will be gutted as they played well. Cushendall will be also but in a different way - they'll be glad to get a good 87+ mins of high energy sapping hurling plus a good week to recover. 

That's white line fever... Big Barry wouldn't have done that in normal circumstances, panic set in rather than the cool head, holding him up and pushing him out the field and forcing him to pass. They'd the numbers back to do just that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on November 22, 2023, 12:28:12 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 22, 2023, 10:15:46 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 21, 2023, 06:16:22 PMSmall margins really. Great 2nd half.

Cushendall looked as if they were comfortable in the game but kept conceeding silly goals (from their point of view). An early one, then 2 very soft ones in the 2 nd half. Portaferry got the goals at the right time and it gave them something to fight for.

Great entertainment in 2nd half. Mc Manus came out to No. 11 and got on a lot more ball.  I think he's more danger out the pitch a bit, rather than full-forward. Never mind the goal he got but he kept Cushendall in it - picking off crucials points from play at crucial stages to keep the Antrim men just about in touch.

Funny if Portaferry man didn't foul him in injury time, he probably wouldn't have scored a goal from open play. He'd had been crowded out. The lad just wrestled him to the ground and take the chances with the free.

Should you tell the defenders not to pull a man down in that case as there's usually enough bodies back but just a rush of blood?

Portaferry will be gutted as they played well. Cushendall will be also but in a different way - they'll be glad to get a good 87+ mins of high energy sapping hurling plus a good week to recover. 

That's white line fever... Big Barry wouldn't have done that in normal circumstances, panic set in rather than the cool head, holding him up and pushing him out the field and forcing him to pass. They'd the numbers back to do just that.

Yeah, rush of blood. He just dragged him down.  It wasn't as if he tried to tackle him even.

Portaferry had a chance of a point just before that to put 4 pts in it (iirc) but they went for goal and keeper saved it with his leg.

A point there and the game was over. As I say, small margins.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on November 22, 2023, 01:25:22 PM
Quote from: marty34 on November 22, 2023, 12:28:12 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on November 22, 2023, 10:15:46 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 21, 2023, 06:16:22 PMSmall margins really. Great 2nd half.

Cushendall looked as if they were comfortable in the game but kept conceeding silly goals (from their point of view). An early one, then 2 very soft ones in the 2 nd half. Portaferry got the goals at the right time and it gave them something to fight for.

Great entertainment in 2nd half. Mc Manus came out to No. 11 and got on a lot more ball.  I think he's more danger out the pitch a bit, rather than full-forward. Never mind the goal he got but he kept Cushendall in it - picking off crucials points from play at crucial stages to keep the Antrim men just about in touch.

Funny if Portaferry man didn't foul him in injury time, he probably wouldn't have scored a goal from open play. He'd had been crowded out. The lad just wrestled him to the ground and take the chances with the free.

Should you tell the defenders not to pull a man down in that case as there's usually enough bodies back but just a rush of blood?

Portaferry will be gutted as they played well. Cushendall will be also but in a different way - they'll be glad to get a good 87+ mins of high energy sapping hurling plus a good week to recover. 

That's white line fever... Big Barry wouldn't have done that in normal circumstances, panic set in rather than the cool head, holding him up and pushing him out the field and forcing him to pass. They'd the numbers back to do just that.

Yeah, rush of blood. He just dragged him down.  It wasn't as if he tried to tackle him even.

Portaferry had a chance of a point just before that to put 4 pts in it (iirc) but they went for goal and keeper saved it with his leg.

A point there and the game was over. As I say, small margins.



And a few poor wides, most notably big Fitzsimmons had just entered the fray, had went on a decent run through the middle of the Dall defence, had Daithi Sands in a good position to his right but pished at a shot that went harmlessly wide.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 24, 2023, 05:17:54 PM
Any word how the county board meeting went last night? Proposals for league/championship and underage structures all up for decision....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 25, 2023, 12:02:48 AM
Best of luck to Liatroim this weekend.

Cullyhana a tough game. Few Armagh men tell me that really Cullyhana should have been playing in the Senior Championship.

Take what you like from that. Doesn't make a difference to Liatroim, now.

Would be seriously impressive for them to win ulster in both codes in two years, but let's not tempt fate.

Always good to get a win over an Armagh side, anyway.

Wonder which is more dominant in Liatroim- football or hurling? Would have said a few years ago the big ball but the hurlers good form of late seems to have changed that.

Fair play to them. Massive respect to any team that can be competitive in both, particularly a small, rural area like Liatroim.

Been plenty of discussion the past year over who was lining out in a hurling shirt for the Fontenoys. Any interesting facts on the football front?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on November 25, 2023, 07:12:08 AM
Heard on L.O.B. Podcast that Jack McCartan been called into the provisional panel,definitely worth a run imo. Any others called in?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on November 25, 2023, 10:04:24 AM
Quote from: Splash on November 20, 2023, 12:27:13 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on November 17, 2023, 07:43:07 PM
Quote from: skat man on November 17, 2023, 01:57:51 PMare all management teams now in place ?


Kilcoo?
Burren?
Warrenpoint?
Rostrevor?
Saval?

Sean Morrison to Saval.

Management team includes Patrick Morrison and Padraig Rafferty.


Rostrevor had post on facebook advertising their senior football manager position
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on November 25, 2023, 11:37:19 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on November 25, 2023, 07:12:08 AMHeard on L.O.B. Podcast that Jack McCartan been called into the provisional panel,definitely worth a run imo. Any others called in?
Pearce McCabe and Ronan Beatty from Carryduff
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on November 25, 2023, 12:11:28 PM
Quote from: Splash on November 25, 2023, 12:02:48 AMBest of luck to Liatroim this weekend.

Cullyhana a tough game. Few Armagh men tell me that really Cullyhana should have been playing in the Senior Championship.

Cullyhanna are certainly a better team on paper than at least 5/6 sides that were in the Armagh senior championship this year.
Unfortunately they're victims of the 'split season' and the league and championships being aligned in Armagh. A poor league run without their county players led to them getting relegated to the intermediate league and championship. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on November 25, 2023, 10:41:59 PM
john boyle staying in point

surprised michael walsh hasnt surfaced somewhere
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Applesisapples on November 27, 2023, 10:47:56 AM
Is Kevin Faloon representing Forkhill late of Clonduff?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on November 27, 2023, 11:03:19 AM
Kevin was always a Bosco referee. Didnt do too bad yesterday after some absolute terrible reviews on him in two separate Armagh championship
Games. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on November 27, 2023, 12:34:16 PM
Mark Doran must be the most travelled man in Ireland. Off to Wicklow with Oisin McConville next season
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on November 27, 2023, 01:00:00 PM
Any word on when McKenna cup + league fixtures will be announced?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: toby47 on November 27, 2023, 02:43:43 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on November 27, 2023, 01:00:00 PMAny word on when McKenna cup + league fixtures will be announced?

The winter boredom must be in full flow!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 27, 2023, 05:00:25 PM
Quote from: skat man on November 25, 2023, 10:41:59 PMjohn boyle staying in point

surprised michael walsh hasnt surfaced somewhere

Is M Walsh not taking the u20 job?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on November 27, 2023, 07:01:32 PM
Conor mc crickard and o hare would be worth a look at on the county from the leitrim club
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on November 27, 2023, 09:23:09 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on November 25, 2023, 07:12:08 AMHeard on L.O.B. Podcast that Jack McCartan been called into the provisional panel,definitely worth a run imo. Any others called in?

Definitely worth giving a shot.

That's a brave few Glenn men involved with the county if the same lads from last year go back.

Not bad for a Division 3 club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on November 28, 2023, 11:06:21 AM
Karl Lacey staying with Kilcoo for 2024
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on November 28, 2023, 02:20:55 PM
There's 110 miles between Drumcliff and Kilcoo.

Surely this has to be a record distance for a voluntary club manager to travel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on November 28, 2023, 02:25:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2023, 02:20:55 PMThere's 110 miles between Drumcliff and Kilcoo.

Surely this has to be a record distance for a voluntary club manager to travel?

"voluntary club manager"  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: smort on November 28, 2023, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: ck on November 28, 2023, 02:25:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2023, 02:20:55 PMThere's 110 miles between Drumcliff and Kilcoo.

Surely this has to be a record distance for a voluntary club manager to travel?

"voluntary club manager"  ;D

Behave wobbler  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on November 29, 2023, 08:00:32 AM
Quote from: smort on November 28, 2023, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: ck on November 28, 2023, 02:25:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on November 28, 2023, 02:20:55 PMThere's 110 miles between Drumcliff and Kilcoo.

Surely this has to be a record distance for a voluntary club manager to travel?

"voluntary club manager"  ;D

Behave wobbler  ;D

so whats hes getting 60p a mile?  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on November 29, 2023, 06:17:45 PM
60p a mile would be cheap - would hardly cover his fuel for a return journey! Eoghan Byrne and Adam Lynch currently training with county panel. Ballykinlar is gettin it tough at the minute!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Applesisapples on November 30, 2023, 11:52:21 AM
Mid table Div 1A team in Armagh has offered £45K to a couple of potential managers and been turned down. This is crazy in amateur club sport.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 30, 2023, 12:09:28 PM
The amount of managers from Down in Louth is staggering, Add Paddy Carr to that list. All getting 60p a mile.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on November 30, 2023, 12:11:19 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 30, 2023, 12:09:28 PMThe amount of managers from Down in Louth is staggering, Add Paddy Carr to that list. All getting 60p a mile.

Like who?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on November 30, 2023, 01:11:46 PM
Mark Poland, Jerome Johnston, Steven Poacher, Cathal Murray, Donal O'Hare, Shorty Trainor
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on November 30, 2023, 01:39:38 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 30, 2023, 01:11:46 PMMark Poland, Jerome Johnston, Steven Poacher, Cathal Murray, Donal O'Hare, Shorty Trainor

eamon morgan and also bernie ruanne and micheal magill might still be there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on November 30, 2023, 05:42:32 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on November 29, 2023, 06:17:45 PM60p a mile would be cheap - would hardly cover his fuel for a return journey! Eoghan Byrne and Adam Lynch currently training with county panel. Ballykinlar is gettin it tough at the minute!!
Would 60p per mile cover a one way journey ? 😀😀
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on December 01, 2023, 01:55:19 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 30, 2023, 01:11:46 PMMark Poland, Jerome Johnston, Steven Poacher, Cathal Murray, Donal O'Hare, Shorty Trainor

Who's Shorty managing these days?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on December 01, 2023, 08:09:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 30, 2023, 01:11:46 PMMark Poland, Jerome Johnston, Steven Poacher, Cathal Murray, Donal O'Hare, Shorty Trainor

What clubs are these lads with?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 02, 2023, 04:23:23 PM
Quote from: ck on December 01, 2023, 08:09:46 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on November 30, 2023, 01:11:46 PMMark Poland, Jerome Johnston, Steven Poacher, Cathal Murray, Donal O'Hare, Shorty Trainor

What clubs are these lads with?

All working with junior clubs helping to develop them on a voluntary basis just to put a bit back into the game!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on December 02, 2023, 11:37:42 PM
Great that Newry's hosting the Ulster Senior Hurling Final tomorrow.

Good to see County Down being chosen for a couple big hurling occasions now (just a pity it's a neutral venue and there's no Down team in the final).

Should hopefully give the hurling scene in the county a bit of a boost. Not too often we get games of that level.

Would encourage anyone who is curious as to what the story is with this hurling craic to have a look tomorrow when it's on our doorstep.

Given the location of Newry, and how many more games are played now in a season, would Páirc Esler be likely to host more games in the future?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on December 03, 2023, 12:09:14 AM
Quote from: Splash on December 02, 2023, 11:37:42 PMGreat that Newry's hosting the Ulster Senior Hurling Final tomorrow.

Good to see County Down being chosen for a couple big hurling occasions now (just a pity it's a neutral venue and there's no Down team in the final).

Should hopefully give the hurling scene in the county a bit of a boost. Not too often we get games of that level.

Would encourage anyone who is curious as to what the story is with this hurling craic to have a look tomorrow when it's on our doorstep.

Given the location of Newry, and how many more games are played now in a season, would Páirc Esler be likely to host more games in the future?

Chance the All-Ireland club semi-final could be played in Newry.

O'Loughlin Gaels won today and Leinster play Ulster so, irrespective of who it is, it could be in Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on December 03, 2023, 08:26:16 AM
Quote from: Splash on December 02, 2023, 11:37:42 PMGreat that Newry's hosting the Ulster Senior Hurling Final tomorrow.

Good to see County Down being chosen for a couple big hurling occasions now (just a pity it's a neutral venue and there's no Down team in the final).

Should hopefully give the hurling scene in the county a bit of a boost. Not too often we get games of that level.

Would encourage anyone who is curious as to what the story is with this hurling craic to have a look tomorrow when it's on our doorstep.

Given the location of Newry, and how many more games are played now in a season, would Páirc Esler be likely to host more games in the future?

It's hosted big games in the past (AI club hurling semi finals). You're kidding yourself if you think it'll make any kind of difference to hurling in Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: intheknowhow on December 03, 2023, 01:21:03 PM
Quote from: Splash on December 02, 2023, 11:37:42 PMGreat that Newry's hosting the Ulster Senior Hurling Final tomorrow.

Good to see County Down being chosen for a couple big hurling occasions now (just a pity it's a neutral venue and there's no Down team in the final).

Should hopefully give the hurling scene in the county a bit of a boost. Not too often we get games of that level.

Would encourage anyone who is curious as to what the story is with this hurling craic to have a look tomorrow when it's on our doorstep.

Given the location of Newry, and how many more games are played now in a season, would Páirc Esler be likely to host more games in the future?

Curious.... How would this give hurling a boost?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 03, 2023, 01:22:45 PM
Irish News confirmed Eoin McCartan & Stevie O'Hare taking Burren with Brendan Hackett in their back room.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 03, 2023, 10:45:22 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 03, 2023, 01:22:45 PMIrish News confirmed Eoin McCartan & Stevie O'Hare taking Burren with Brendan Hackett in their back room.

Hasn't gone down well with the locals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 04, 2023, 10:15:02 AM
Why not?
Was it not the locals who picked them?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 04, 2023, 05:06:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 04, 2023, 10:15:02 AMWhy not?
Was it not the locals who picked them?

Aye some locals picked it alright but it wasn't a reflection of what everyone wanted apparently.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 04, 2023, 05:40:43 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 04, 2023, 05:06:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 04, 2023, 10:15:02 AMWhy not?
Was it not the locals who picked them?

Aye some locals picked it alright but it wasn't a reflection of what everyone wanted apparently.

Was the selection not by a sub-committee & ratified by the club committee who are voted for by club membership at AGM?
It's about as democratic as can be.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 04, 2023, 07:41:28 PM


Was the selection not by a sub-committee & ratified by the club committee who are voted for by club membership at AGM?
It's about as democratic as can be.

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Not ratified by whole committee as they currently don't have a committee..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 05, 2023, 08:45:19 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 04, 2023, 07:41:28 PMWas the selection not by a sub-committee & ratified by the club committee who are voted for by club membership at AGM?
It's about as democratic as can be.


Not ratified by whole committee as they currently don't have a committee..
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So how was the management team ratified? Why wouldn't a club of Burren's calibre have a committee?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 05, 2023, 09:11:43 AM
I think the case with Burren at the minute, is that should you make a universally (or as close as) welcome appointment, then nobody tries to interfere with it; through official means or otherwise. This decision seems to have rankled enough people for them to go check their constitutions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 05, 2023, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 05, 2023, 09:11:43 AMI think the case with Burren at the minute, is that should you make a universally (or as close as) welcome appointment, then nobody tries to interfere with it; through official means or otherwise. This decision seems to have rankled enough people for them to go check their constitutions.

I'm so confused—what happened? Check constitutions? WTF
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 05, 2023, 09:22:55 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 05, 2023, 09:19:10 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 05, 2023, 09:11:43 AMI think the case with Burren at the minute, is that should you make a universally (or as close as) welcome appointment, then nobody tries to interfere with it; through official means or otherwise. This decision seems to have rankled enough people for them to go check their constitutions.



I'm so confused—what happened? Check constitutions? WTF

You're taking me too literally.

The general principles of how to stop things in GAA land are to first challenge the committee in charge that this isn't how things are done in their club, and if all else fails, dig up the constitution, find something to back you up, and throw a spanner into the works.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 05, 2023, 09:29:57 AM
A seamless transition then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 06, 2023, 06:08:30 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 05, 2023, 09:29:57 AMA seamless transition then

I think Stevie O'Hare was involved in last management team & those lads will know Eoin well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on December 06, 2023, 07:27:17 PM
Down 2024 NFL Division 3 fixtures

Sunday 28/1 Wicklow (Aughrim 2pm)

Saturday 3/2 Limerick (Newry 6pm)

Sunday 18/2 Antrim (Corrigan Park 2pm)

Saturday 24/2 Offaly (Newry 6pm)

Sunday 3/3 Sligo (Newry 2pm)

Sunday 17/3 Westmeath (Mullingar 2pm)

Sunday 24/3 Clare (Newry 2pm)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 07, 2023, 10:14:34 AM
DJ Morgan taking Rostrevor. They must be serious contenders again for intermediate championship.
Beaten in last two finals.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 07, 2023, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 07, 2023, 10:14:34 AMDJ Morgan taking Rostrevor. They must be serious contenders again for intermediate championship.
Beaten in last two finals.

Rostrevor made a wise appointment because DJ had previously worked well with Carryduff. Does anyone have a current list of appointments and managers? Is the merry-go-round coming to an end, or are there still clubs looking to hire mercenaries?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 07, 2023, 02:18:10 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 07, 2023, 11:27:22 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 07, 2023, 10:14:34 AMDJ Morgan taking Rostrevor. They must be serious contenders again for intermediate championship.
Beaten in last two finals.

Rostrevor made a wise appointment because DJ had previously worked well with Carryduff. Does anyone have a current list of appointments and managers? Is the merry-go-round coming to an end, or are there still clubs looking to hire mercenaries?



Why? Are you available for hire?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on December 07, 2023, 05:33:49 PM
Delighted to see Paul Faloon refing the Ulster final. Well-deserved, tho there's alway a risk Kilcoo won't turn up in protest
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 07, 2023, 10:23:44 PM


I think Stevie O'Hare was involved in last management team & those lads will know Eoin well.
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Both Stevie and Eoin were in the whole time with Jim McCorry.

I think now Rostrevor have management in place - that's all clubs sorted out. There might be a few selectors etc to be put in place in an odd club but that's it. The main men are all sorted.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 08, 2023, 08:07:07 AM
Quote from: befair on December 07, 2023, 05:33:49 PMDelighted to see Paul Faloon refing the Ulster final. Well-deserved, tho there's alway a risk Kilcoo won't turn up in protest

Agree, so just hypothetically here. Would Ulster have folded the way Down did if Kilcoo have had made the final? I doubt it very much.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on December 08, 2023, 09:01:42 AM
Yes fair play to Paul, hope he has a good final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on December 08, 2023, 11:12:55 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 08, 2023, 08:07:07 AM
Quote from: befair on December 07, 2023, 05:33:49 PMDelighted to see Paul Faloon refing the Ulster final. Well-deserved, tho there's alway a risk Kilcoo won't turn up in protest

Agree, so just hypothetically here. Would Ulster have folded the way Down did if Kilcoo have had made the final? I doubt it very much.

i doubt very much that ulster gaa would have put a down man in charge of a final containing a down team
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on December 08, 2023, 11:21:56 AM
on the manager discussions , managing a senior team at any level now from div 1 to div 4 is a huge undertaking. the reason there is a "merry go round" is that within most clubs, in-house managers dont want to step up and take the senior job.
many reasons like the time involved or the lack of confidence at the level or simply having seen that in some clubs in-house men get zero thanks. The reason outside "mercenaries" exist is because there is a need and they fill it. Make in house coaching more attractive and perhaps this will change 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 08, 2023, 02:16:36 PM
The horse has bolted on county managers and club managers are now doing the same. The salaries these individuals receive are obscene, and at the end of the year, very few people get to celebrate with trophies. Invest in facilities and educate your people to coach.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: smort on December 08, 2023, 02:18:39 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 08, 2023, 02:16:36 PMThe horse has bolted on county managers and club managers are now doing the same. The salaries these individuals receive are obscene, and at the end of the year, very few people get to celebrate with trophies. Invest in facilities and educate your people to coach.

Couldn't agree more, but particularly this part

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on December 09, 2023, 12:10:44 AM
Quote from: intheknowhow on December 03, 2023, 01:21:03 PM
Quote from: Splash on December 02, 2023, 11:37:42 PMGreat that Newry's hosting the Ulster Senior Hurling Final tomorrow.

Good to see County Down being chosen for a couple big hurling occasions now (just a pity it's a neutral venue and there's no Down team in the final).

Should hopefully give the hurling scene in the county a bit of a boost. Not too often we get games of that level.

Would encourage anyone who is curious as to what the story is with this hurling craic to have a look tomorrow when it's on our doorstep.

Given the location of Newry, and how many more games are played now in a season, would Páirc Esler be likely to host more games in the future?

Curious.... How would this give hurling a boost?

Exposure to high quality games will always provoke a bit more interest in something.

It won't magically solve Down's hurling problem or inspire a sudden influx of players to the game, and tbh when I read that back I can see I really should have worded that better perhaps.

It won't fix our hurling woes, but hosting good games won't do any harm.

Could have phrased that better.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 09, 2023, 09:46:47 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 08, 2023, 02:16:36 PMThe horse has bolted on county managers and club managers are now doing the same. The salaries these individuals receive are obscene, and at the end of the year, very few people get to celebrate with trophies. Invest in facilities and educate your people to coach.

Not every manager who gets paid is a mercenary. There are only so many people within a club who are capable/willing to take their Senior team. What happens when this well drys up for a year or two? You have to get a manager from somewhere. So naturally external appointments are going to happen.

There are absolutely people in it for the 'CV' and the cash, no doubt - and these are the mercenaries. Gone are the days of getting a few quid expenses in some cases. Now it seems to be this is the cost take it or leave it (again in some cases).

It is not beyond the realms of possibility that some paid managers/coaches do actually care about the team they are with, the reputation they are putting on the line themselves, and the development of their own skill set etc. Maybe not all are like this, it would be naive to think so. But similarly, don't tarnish all paid men with the same brush.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on December 09, 2023, 11:45:11 AM
Agree with this. Most outside club managers I have come across are good men who care deeply about the team they coach. They usually bring a level of expertise that doesnt exist within the club. Also, players demand the best and they'll not settle for the man they had at underage who they just don't have faith in.

There may well be "mercenaries" in the game but usually this is just peddled by disgruntled high profile commentators who yearn for a return to 1995. It's not happening.

I expect Jarlath Burns to look at this issue and perhaps bring some transparency to it. I think the only way to control it is to standardise it ie: make payments legal and bring them out into the open. Then put conditions and caps on them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on December 09, 2023, 02:18:22 PM
The term mercenary is correct.

These stay for a year, maybe two, then clear off to another club and repeat, repeat and repeat.

If they're that good why don't they stay with their own club?

Expertise - what is that? There's only one cup to be lifted at the end of the year. One team will win it. Only one can be 'the expert'.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on December 09, 2023, 04:47:41 PM
success is completely relevant to circumstances, one teams success could be surviving a league or a promotion in second place or reaching a certain point in a championship. the 1 cup logic is flawed .

the reason they dont stay within their own clubs is only 1 group of men can take a senior team and as ive said before there is a need for outside managers . they provide a service . if the need goes away then so do the "mercenaries " . like supersub said most are good men who love gaa and care about furthering the teams they go in to. most , not all
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on December 10, 2023, 02:29:51 AM
U20 trials next weekend but no manager announced?
Is Laverty going to continue as manager? Although I heard he was stepping down from 20s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 10, 2023, 09:07:05 AM
Anyone have the team lists from the u20 final on Friday night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on December 10, 2023, 12:47:02 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 09, 2023, 05:05:09 PMYer hole. They don't give a rat's ass about the clubs they go into. Yes, they want them to do well when they are there ONLY because it reflects well on them as a manager. A year later when they are at the club up the road, do you really believe they give a second thought to their previous club? Frank Dawson must really care about some amount of clubs!

Thank you for more or less illustrating my point. You are tarring all paid men with the 'Dawson' brush, as you have suggested by naming an individual. However not all paid men would have even been at as many clubs as said individual for a start. Picking an extreme example is never a great gauge.

It would be a sad indictment of a manager and our game if they didn't care about the club when they are managing them! Don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to develop your skill set and reputation while trying to better a team. All within reason.

When you suggest about moving to another club up the road - I think it is illogical and naive to expect any external man to become embroidered in the fabric of a club and somehow become a diehard supporter wanting to volunteer life membership. What I am talking about is wanting to develop a playing squad they have available to them over 2,3,4 years. Have a vested interest in getting the best out of that 22 year old forward who for some reason isn't producing the goods at senior level. And in fact, a lot of the time the reason that this isn't afforded is due to the club, and not the manager. Clubs rarely give a manager 2,3,4 years in the present climate. So clubs have a lot to answer for when the 'merry go round' is mentioned. Digressing slightly, but it all counts.

It is also not logical or realistic to expect all coaches/managers to remain inside their own club 'if they are so good'. For a start, there is only one male senior football team in each club. So everyone can't manage them, and as noted, not everyone will want to either. There is also no doubt that a lot of coaches who are managing at a senior level outside their club, are involved in some capacity at juvenile level within their own club. Whether that be through their own children or otherwise.

The gung ho, back in my day attitude to external managers is ill thought out at times. At times it is 100% correct, and there are mercenaries out there no doubt as alluded to already. But there are a lot of good GAA men putting many many hours in to external clubs (and probably not getting paid for all said hours either from experience!).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on December 10, 2023, 01:02:42 PM
a very well articulated post
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 10, 2023, 01:38:35 PM
Quote from: skat man on December 10, 2023, 01:02:42 PMa very well articulated post

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Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on December 10, 2023, 02:42:36 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on December 10, 2023, 02:09:16 PMWhen do they start caring about these clubs and when do they stop? The answer is: when that club starts paying them and when that club stops paying them. Then, as if by magic, they start caring about another club and another 22 year old.
The fact is that they are doing it for themselves. They want to succeed as a manager and each club is merely a vehicle for them to do so.

any manager taking any team wants to succeed as a manager even in club  , if you think they give up endless hours of there own time  and listen to abuse from parents/supporters/players just for the love of the club you are living in fantasy land.
of course they want to see the club do well but 99% of in house coaches have a vested interest,  be that a kid on the team or using the team underage or senior to further themselves for the future by gaining experience.

what would you like to see happen ? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 10, 2023, 06:51:24 PM
Down u20 have new management in place - don't know why county board haven't announced it. The dog on the street knows who it is.

Fair play to Paul Faloon today - a great job in the Ulster showpiece.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 10, 2023, 06:56:03 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 10, 2023, 06:51:24 PMDown u20 have new management in place - don't know why county board haven't announced it. The dog on the street knows who it is.

Fair play to Paul Faloon today - a great job in the Ulster showpiece.

Who is it?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 10, 2023, 07:29:13 PM
Neil Coulter and Paul Mc Cartan I heard, obviously annoyed at not getting the Burren job.

Well done Paul alright, great job today.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 10, 2023, 07:35:56 PM
Quote from: Lotto on December 10, 2023, 07:29:13 PMNeil Coulter and Paul Mc Cartan I heard, obviously annoyed at not getting the Burren job.

Well done Paul alright, great job today.

#burrenmafia
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lotto on December 10, 2023, 07:54:43 PM
Laverty not involved as he knows there is no chance of them even winning a game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 13, 2023, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: Lotto on December 10, 2023, 07:54:43 PMLaverty not involved as he knows there is no chance of them even winning a game.

Was there not uproar on this same forum when this same group underachieved at minor level?
Management was blamed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on December 13, 2023, 12:10:50 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 13, 2023, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: Lotto on December 10, 2023, 07:54:43 PMLaverty not involved as he knows there is no chance of them even winning a game.

Was there not uproar on this same forum when this same group underachieved at minor level?
Management was blamed?

That was last year's group - which to be fair to Laverty he won Ulster u20 with.

It is hard to keep tabs on the years with the change in ages and covid.

Next year's u20s definitely not as strong on paper.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 14, 2023, 05:51:03 PM
Any changes or shake ups at the county convention last night?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on December 14, 2023, 08:09:17 PM
Are the clubs in line for a Xmas bonus given JP's latest donation?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on December 15, 2023, 08:24:22 AM
Irish News today!! Not the right way to strike at Kilcoo or the GPA. Who is advising? Anyone?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 15, 2023, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: ApresMatch on December 15, 2023, 08:24:22 AMIrish News today!! Not the right way to strike at Kilcoo or the GPA. Who is advising? Anyone?

Didn't see a whole pile wrong with it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on December 15, 2023, 12:08:17 PM
Quote from: ApresMatch on December 15, 2023, 08:24:22 AMIrish News today!! Not the right way to strike at Kilcoo or the GPA. Who is advising? Anyone?

Awwww, is the wee snowflake upset? Were we the laughing stock of Ireland when the Kilcoo debacle happened? Yes.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Maurice Moss on December 15, 2023, 09:16:39 PM
Is that figure correct of €8,065 per club in Down? Seen that figure doing the rounds but thought it's a bit lower than what was to be expected?

Anyone any idea if that's correct and if so how? Would mean there'd be just under 124 clubs in the county???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 16, 2023, 01:09:51 AM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on December 15, 2023, 09:16:39 PMIs that figure correct of €8,065 per club in Down? Seen that figure doing the rounds but thought it's a bit lower than what was to be expected?

Anyone any idea if that's correct and if so how? Would mean there'd be just under 124 clubs in the county???

I believe it's a payment per code.

So my own club are looking at 3 x €8k. Others more, others less.

—-

I do believe the right thing to do here is wipe out the County's loan repayments then divvy the rest up pro rata.

This would cost us all less in the long run.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on December 16, 2023, 09:40:55 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 16, 2023, 01:09:51 AM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on December 15, 2023, 09:16:39 PMIs that figure correct of €8,065 per club in Down? Seen that figure doing the rounds but thought it's a bit lower than what was to be expected?

Anyone any idea if that's correct and if so how? Would mean there'd be just under 124 clubs in the county???

I believe it's a payment per code.

So my own club are looking at 3 x €8k. Others more, others less.

—-

I do believe the right thing to do here is wipe out the County's loan repayments then divvy the rest up pro rata.

This would cost us all less in the long


So if a club plays men and women's football and hurling and Camogie then they stand to get over 32k ? Some boost for a club no matter how big.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on December 16, 2023, 12:29:21 PM
What clubs actually field teams in 4 codes at senior level? To my knowledge Bredagh, Castlewellen, Warrenpoint, and East Belfast, and am I right in saying Liatroim have a senior women's football team?

I know plenty of clubs (Carryduff, Clonduff, Ballyvarley/Aghaderg, etc.) have introduced ladies football at some level, but not sure if they field senior teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on December 17, 2023, 04:37:30 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 16, 2023, 01:09:51 AM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on December 15, 2023, 09:16:39 PMIs that figure correct of €8,065 per club in Down? Seen that figure doing the rounds but thought it's a bit lower than what was to be expected?

Anyone any idea if that's correct and if so how? Would mean there'd be just under 124 clubs in the county???

I believe it's a payment per code.

So my own club are looking at 3 x €8k. Others more, others less.

—-

I do believe the right thing to do here is wipe out the County's loan repayments then divvy the rest up pro rata.

This would cost us all less in the long run.



Would agree with Wobbler pay off any debt then split it up. Better done that way than it go to clubs with the management merry go round no doubt asking for more £££ because of JPs donation
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on December 18, 2023, 04:08:05 PM
why would clubs pay off the counties debt ? has the county ever paid off a club debt ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 18, 2023, 04:35:50 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 16, 2023, 01:09:51 AM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on December 15, 2023, 09:16:39 PMIs that figure correct of €8,065 per club in Down? Seen that figure doing the rounds but thought it's a bit lower than what was to be expected?

Anyone any idea if that's correct and if so how? Would mean there'd be just under 124 clubs in the county???

I believe it's a payment per code.

So my own club are looking at 3 x €8k. Others more, others less.

—-

I do believe the right thing to do here is wipe out the County's loan repayments then divvy the rest up pro rata.

This would cost us all less in the long run.



An excellent concept, but many clubs wouldn't see the wider picture
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on December 18, 2023, 04:45:43 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 18, 2023, 04:35:50 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 16, 2023, 01:09:51 AM
Quote from: Maurice Moss on December 15, 2023, 09:16:39 PMIs that figure correct of €8,065 per club in Down? Seen that figure doing the rounds but thought it's a bit lower than what was to be expected?

Anyone any idea if that's correct and if so how? Would mean there'd be just under 124 clubs in the county???



I believe it's a payment per code.

So my own club are looking at 3 x €8k. Others more, others less.

—-

I do believe the right thing to do here is wipe out the County's loan repayments then divvy the rest up pro rata.

This would cost us all less in the long run.



An excellent concept, but many clubs wouldn't see the wider picture

explain the wider picture
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on December 18, 2023, 06:04:34 PM
Any substance to the rumours Darragh Cross have been relegated to ACFL Div 4 while Drumaness will remain in ACFL Div 3?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 18, 2023, 06:58:15 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on December 18, 2023, 06:04:34 PMAny substance to the rumours Darragh Cross have been relegated to ACFL Div 4 while Drumaness will remain in ACFL Div 3?

What is the reason for that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 18, 2023, 07:01:57 PM
Quote from: skat man on December 18, 2023, 04:08:05 PMwhy would clubs pay off the counties debt ? has the county ever paid off a club debt ?

Was going to reply here but it smells of wind-up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 18, 2023, 09:12:37 PM
Just over 2 weeks a way until the 1st game of the new season for Down. Any word on how the panel is looking?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on December 18, 2023, 09:40:52 PM
Short memory Wobbler. It's not long since the debacle of Burrenbridge that cost £500k. Paid a massive non refundable deposit of £450k. Who do you think paid for that and are still paying? THE CLUBS.
Why do you think similar could not happen again?
Waken up and .........
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on December 19, 2023, 07:05:41 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on December 18, 2023, 09:40:52 PMShort memory Wobbler. It's not long since the debacle of Burrenbridge that cost £500k. Paid a massive non refundable deposit of £450k. Who do you think paid for that and are still paying? THE CLUBS.
Why do you think similar could not happen again?
Waken up and .........

So your agreed it would make sense for the clubs to pay it down now rather than continue to pay interest on the county debt to the banks.  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on December 19, 2023, 01:07:29 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on December 19, 2023, 07:05:41 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on December 18, 2023, 09:40:52 PMShort memory Wobbler. It's not long since the debacle of Burrenbridge that cost £500k. Paid a massive non refundable deposit of £450k. Who do you think paid for that and are still paying? THE CLUBS.
Why do you think similar could not happen again?
Waken up and .........

So your agreed it would make sense for the clubs to pay it down now rather than continue to pay interest on the county debt to the banks.  ;)

you know alot of clubs have debt of their own right ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 20, 2023, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: skat man on December 19, 2023, 01:07:29 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on December 19, 2023, 07:05:41 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on December 18, 2023, 09:40:52 PMShort memory Wobbler. It's not long since the debacle of Burrenbridge that cost £500k. Paid a massive non refundable deposit of £450k. Who do you think paid for that and are still paying? THE CLUBS.
Why do you think similar could not happen again?
Waken up and .........

So your agreed it would make sense for the clubs to pay it down now rather than continue to pay interest on the county debt to the banks.  ;)

you know alot of clubs have debt of their own right ?

I think you're missing the point here.
Clubs are already paying a levy to cover the costs from Burrenbridge.
What people are saying is to clear that debt outright & the levy on clubs won't be required. 

I suspect however that JP has a condition that the money must go the the club & they decide how to spend it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on December 20, 2023, 03:05:13 PM
i get the point , my point is it makes more fiscal sense for a club to pay down their own loans as the repayments will be much higher than the fraction they contribute to fix the county boards mess. thankfully jp had the foresight to make sure it goes to clubs so its irrelevant really 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on December 20, 2023, 03:33:11 PM
Quote from: skat man on December 20, 2023, 03:05:13 PMi get the point , my point is it makes more fiscal sense for a club to pay down their own loans as the repayments will be much higher than the fraction they contribute to fix the county boards mess. thankfully jp had the foresight to make sure it goes to clubs so its irrelevant really 

Your numbers don't add up to me Skattie.

JP's maximum donation per club is slated to be circa €24k, or about £21.5k.

It's a very welcome donation, but let's be honest, it will make only a small impression against the outlay required for a modern GAA capital expenditure project ie the ones we all get loans for.

Whereas if half of each donation was sent upstairs, that tally from 40+ clubs would wipe out the county's debt in full, and remove the levy we've all been paying for a decade.

JP might have been right to state it was for the clubs. But by the same measure our clubs have the right to use it to pay off our county's debts.




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on December 20, 2023, 05:49:18 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 18, 2023, 06:58:15 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on December 18, 2023, 06:04:34 PMAny substance to the rumours Darragh Cross have been relegated to ACFL Div 4 while Drumaness will remain in ACFL Div 3?

What is the reason for that?

It is alleged Darragh played an unregistered player throughout the 2023 league campaign. If points gained while the unregistered player was playing are removed it may see them finish below Drumaness in the league and therefore relegated. The big question will be, are they also relegated to the Junior Championship with their wins in the Intermediate now being scratched also?? 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 20, 2023, 10:20:49 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on December 20, 2023, 05:49:18 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on December 18, 2023, 06:58:15 PM
Quote from: Back2Winning on December 18, 2023, 06:04:34 PMAny substance to the rumours Darragh Cross have been relegated to ACFL Div 4 while Drumaness will remain in ACFL Div 3?

What is the reason for that?

It is alleged Darragh played an unregistered player throughout the 2023 league campaign. If points gained while the unregistered player was playing are removed it may see them finish below Drumaness in the league and therefore relegated. The big question will be, are they also relegated to the Junior Championship with their wins in the Intermediate now being scratched also?? 

They would likely walk division 4 and the JFC, reducing the opportunities for the other clubs to gain promotion or win the JFC. It wouldn't do anyone any good. Was it a deliberate breach of the rules or a technicality that saw the player playing without being registered?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on December 20, 2023, 11:11:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 20, 2023, 03:33:11 PM
Quote from: skat man on December 20, 2023, 03:05:13 PMi get the point , my point is it makes more fiscal sense for a club to pay down their own loans as the repayments will be much higher than the fraction they contribute to fix the county boards mess. thankfully jp had the foresight to make sure it goes to clubs so its irrelevant really 

Your numbers don't add up to me Skattie.

JP's maximum donation per club is slated to be circa €24k, or about £21.5k.

It's a very welcome donation, but let's be honest, it will make only a small impression against the outlay required for a modern GAA capital expenditure project ie the ones we all get loans for.

Whereas if half of each donation was sent upstairs, that tally from 40+ clubs would wipe out the county's debt in full, and remove the levy we've all been paying for a decade.

JP might have been right to state it was for the clubs. But by the same measure our clubs have the right to use it to pay off our county's debts.






 a 100k loan having 20% repaid off it would save a club considerably in repayments so my numbers are fine . clubs provide the county with players , pitches and gym facilities in some cases. In other counties the clubs are making great use of county provided facilities which is how it should be in my view.

you are right in saying clubs have a right to do as they please with the donation. there wont be many id wager sending it back to the county board.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on December 21, 2023, 05:48:36 PM
Hard2listen2 do you have the updated verified list of nanagement teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 21, 2023, 08:32:48 PM
Quote from: Kong King on December 21, 2023, 05:48:36 PMHard2listen2 do you have the updated verified list of nanagement teams

Ha! I'm not going down that line again!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 21, 2023, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 21, 2023, 08:32:48 PM
Quote from: Kong King on December 21, 2023, 05:48:36 PMHard2listen2 do you have the updated verified list of nanagement teams

Ha! I'm not going down that line again!

These are not 100% verified facts!

Kilcoo - K Lacey
Burren - E McCartan
CPN - J Boyle
Clonduff - G Adams
Mayobridge - ?
Carryduff - F Moriarty
Loughinisland - C O'Toole
Bredagh - G McAnulty
Ballyholland - S Mulholland
Castlewellan - C McCabe

Longstone - C Brannigan
Bryansford - J Magorrian
RGU - K Duffin & C McCrickard
Rostrevor - DJ Morgan
Saval - ?
Saul - D Lynch
Liatroim - P Murray
Shamrocks - DJ Kane
An Riocht  - C Kelly
St John's - S Curran

Glenn - S Clark?
Drumgath - J Lynch?
Annaclone- J Clarke?
Ballymartin- ?
Attical - ?
Tullylish - R McShane
Darragh - B Mason
Banbridge- P Feeney
Bosco - M McVeigh
Finn - M Copeland?

Drumaness - P Morgan?
St Paul's- P Hannigan?
Bright - M McCartan?
Dromara - J Fegan
Teconnaght - C Laverty
Kilclief - S Curran?
Ardglass - K Smyth?
Dundrum - R McCartan
East Belfast - ?
Aghaderg - ?
St Michael's - L McAlinden?
Glasdrumman - ?



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on December 21, 2023, 11:30:15 PM
Kilcoo - K Lacey
Burren - E McCartan
CPN - J Boyle
Clonduff - G Adams
Mayobridge - B Murray
Carryduff - F Moriarty
Loughinisland - C O'Toole
Bredagh - G McAnulty
Ballyholland - S Mulholland
Castlewellan - C McCabe

Longstone - C Brannigan
Bryansford - J Magorrian
RGU - K Duffin & C McCrickard
Rostrevor - DJ Morgan
Saval - P Morrison
Saul - D Lynch
Liatroim - P Murray
Shamrocks - DJ Kane
An Riocht  - C Kelly
St John's - S Curran

Glenn - S Clark?
Drumgath - P Hynes
Annaclone- J Clarke
Ballymartin- ?
Attical - M Rafferty
Tullylish - R McShane
Darragh - B Mason
Banbridge- P Feeney
Bosco - M McVeigh
Finn - M Copeland

Drumaness - P Morgan
St Paul's- P Hannigan
Bright -
Dromara - J Fegan
Teconnaght - C Laverty
Kilclief - S Curran
Ardglass - K Smyth
Dundrum - R McCartan
East Belfast - C O'Neill
Aghaderg - K Blaney
St Michael's - L McAlinden
Glasdrumman - ?

What is happening with D Cross? Rumour they are being demoted to div 4 for fielding unregistered player in numerous games last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on December 22, 2023, 12:58:27 AM
Clarke confirmed to stay with Glenn (to clear up any question marks above).

Mitchells and Ballykinlar both definitely not fielding this season then? 

If Darragh Cross do go down to Div 4, the leagues are looking decided already.

Imagine Darragh Cross should win Div 4 no bother.
Imagine Glenn should win Div 3 no bother.
Imagine Bryansford (if they get their house in order) should win Div 2.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on December 22, 2023, 11:45:59 AM
Quote from: Splash on December 22, 2023, 12:58:27 AMClarke confirmed to stay with Glenn (to clear up any question marks above).

Mitchells and Ballykinlar both definitely not fielding this season then? 

If Darragh Cross do go down to Div 4, the leagues are looking decided already.

Imagine Darragh Cross should win Div 4 no bother.
Imagine Glenn should win Div 3 no bother.
Imagine Bryansford (if they get their house in order) should win Div 2.





Division 2 could be competitive with RGU and Longstone under new management too.

Agree on Glenn looking likely for Div 3, and if Darragh Cross do go to div 4 they could dish out some big defeats to the majority of teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on December 22, 2023, 12:04:26 PM
Quote from: Splash on December 22, 2023, 12:58:27 AMClarke confirmed to stay with Glenn (to clear up any question marks above).

Mitchells and Ballykinlar both definitely not fielding this season then? 

If Darragh Cross do go down to Div 4, the leagues are looking decided already.

Imagine Darragh Cross should win Div 4 no bother.
Imagine Glenn should win Div 3 no bother.
Imagine Bryansford (if they get their house in order) should win Div 2.





Bryansford has significantly regressed in recent years, therefore I don't think they will stroll this division. Since they have been lingering in mid-table for several years, I anticipate that Saul will want to start to challenge and Liatroim and the RGU will also push for promotion. Rostrevor's new manager will likely see them bounce, although they are similar to Bryansford in that all of their finest players are beyond thirty. Division 2 will be the most keenly contested.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on December 23, 2023, 02:29:13 AM
Bryansford definitely not the team they were, but on their day I'd say they're well fit for anyone in Div 2. But then again, on their day, most of the teams in Div 2 could beat them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 23, 2023, 03:22:02 PM
Downpatrick will win division 2 next year I'd say. They left their run too late this year.
Anyone got a confirmed current county senior panel?? Heard a few were let go last weekend (including 2 clubmen) but just wondering if new faces have been added??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 23, 2023, 06:39:57 PM
I see the county minor squad has been announced & there's a shake up in the management too. A few out & a few others in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheBarrel on December 24, 2023, 12:15:12 AM
Heard from a very good source today that the Darragh cross issue is actually 2 years old. One would wonder how it has gotten to this point before being flagged up. Apparently it's an administrative error on both the club and county's part. The lad transferred away from Darragh a few years ago before returning. It seems that the transfer wasn't completely through on the county board's end and the club deemed him eligible to play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on December 24, 2023, 02:49:41 AM
See Paul Sheehan has stepped away from the county set up. Will be a big miss for Down.  Great hurler. Was great to see a South Down player be well capable of making a name for themselves amongst the Ardsmen. Hopefully South Down continues to regularly produce inter-county level hurlers.

Hear there's a good few lads away travelling, living abroad etc., but a good few lads who weren't available last year should be back this season. Donal Hughes being back and the Sands brothers being available in particular is a great boost.

Good article in the Irish News about the current lay of the land heading into the 2024 season. Glad to see a bit of optimism around the county scene.

Given the restructuring of the leagues for 2025, our goal this season realistically should be to get promoted to Division One, and retain Joe McDonagh status. There's no-one in Div 2A Down can't beat, and given two teams go up this year, it's a great opportunity. Playing the top counties regularly would be the next step to improving the standard of hurling in Down.

Glad to see Diarmuid O'Sullivan staying with Down. Trevor Fletcher should also be a good addition to the management team given his success at club level recently.

Down hurling seems to be in a good place for this year. Given last year was, on the whole, disappointing, despite the fact Down retained Div 2A and McDonagh Cup status, speaks volumes. A couple of years ago that would have been the dream.

Down Hurling is definitely going in the right direction. Let's hope we've another good year.





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 24, 2023, 08:44:25 AM
Quote from: Splash on December 24, 2023, 02:49:41 AMSee Paul Sheehan has stepped away from the county set up. Will be a big miss for Down.  Great hurler. Was great to see a South Down player be well capable of making a name for themselves amongst the Ardsmen. Hopefully South Down continues to regularly produce inter-county level hurlers.

Hear there's a good few lads away travelling, living abroad etc., but a good few lads who weren't available last year should be back this season. Donal Hughes being back and the Sands brothers being available in particular is a great boost.

Good article in the Irish News about the current lay of the land heading into the 2024 season. Glad to see a bit of optimism around the county scene.

Given the restructuring of the leagues for 2025, our goal this season realistically should be to get promoted to Division One, and retain Joe McDonagh status. There's no-one in Div 2A Down can't beat, and given two teams go up this year, it's a great opportunity. Playing the top counties regularly would be the next step to improving the standard of hurling in Down.

Glad to see Diarmuid O'Sullivan staying with Down. Trevor Fletcher should also be a good addition to the management team given his success at club level recently.

Down hurling seems to be in a good place for this year. Given last year was, on the whole, disappointing, despite the fact Down retained Div 2A and McDonagh Cup status, speaks volumes. A couple of years ago that would have been the dream.

Down Hurling is definitely going in the right direction. Let's hope we've another good year.







My own club has no real hurling background and it's not particularly strong in this area in general, however I have to say I love reading your posts and finding out bits of information about the county hurling team. Keep them coming in 2024! Thanks
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 24, 2023, 08:52:01 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 23, 2023, 06:39:57 PMI see the county minor squad has been announced & there's a shake up in the management too. A few out & a few others in.

I seen Darren Mullen is involved, what other changes has there been? Where is squad listed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on December 24, 2023, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on December 24, 2023, 08:52:01 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on December 23, 2023, 06:39:57 PMI see the county minor squad has been announced & there's a shake up in the management too. A few out & a few others in.

I seen Darren Mullen is involved, what other changes has there been? Where is squad listed?

I don't think the squad has been made public but a lot of clubs have social media posts about their players making it.

Yee Darren Mullan is in & a couple of high profile departures I believe.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on December 24, 2023, 09:46:56 AM
Quote from: Splash on December 24, 2023, 02:49:41 AMSee Paul Sheehan has stepped away from the county set up. Will be a big miss for Down.  Great hurler. Was great to see a South Down player be well capable of making a name for themselves amongst the Ardsmen. Hopefully South Down continues to regularly produce inter-county level hurlers.

Hear there's a good few lads away travelling, living abroad etc., but a good few lads who weren't available last year should be back this season. Donal Hughes being back and the Sands brothers being available in particular is a great boost.

Good article in the Irish News about the current lay of the land heading into the 2024 season. Glad to see a bit of optimism around the county scene.

Given the restructuring of the leagues for 2025, our goal this season realistically should be to get promoted to Division One, and retain Joe McDonagh status. There's no-one in Div 2A Down can't beat, and given two teams go up this year, it's a great opportunity. Playing the top counties regularly would be the next step to improving the standard of hurling in Down.

Glad to see Diarmuid O'Sullivan staying with Down. Trevor Fletcher should also be a good addition to the management team given his success at club level recently.

Down hurling seems to be in a good place for this year. Given last year was, on the whole, disappointing, despite the fact Down retained Div 2A and McDonagh Cup status, speaks volumes. A couple of years ago that would have been the dream.

Down Hurling is definitely going in the right direction. Let's hope we've another good year.







Who's Down's manager now?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on December 24, 2023, 10:21:22 AM
Who are the high profile departures from the football team?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on December 24, 2023, 12:21:37 PM

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Who's Down's manager now?
[/quote]

Ronan Sheehan from Shamrocks staying on.

Diarmuid 'The Rock' O'Sullivan from Cork, and Barry Mullane and Trevor Fletcher from Tipperary all involved with the management team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on December 24, 2023, 12:24:29 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on December 24, 2023, 08:44:25 AM
Quote from: Splash on December 24, 2023, 02:49:41 AMSee Paul Sheehan has stepped away from the county set up. Will be a big miss for Down.  Great hurler. Was great to see a South Down player be well capable of making a name for themselves amongst the Ardsmen. Hopefully South Down continues to regularly produce inter-county level hurlers.

Hear there's a good few lads away travelling, living abroad etc., but a good few lads who weren't available last year should be back this season. Donal Hughes being back and the Sands brothers being available in particular is a great boost.

Good article in the Irish News about the current lay of the land heading into the 2024 season. Glad to see a bit of optimism around the county scene.

Given the restructuring of the leagues for 2025, our goal this season realistically should be to get promoted to Division One, and retain Joe McDonagh status. There's no-one in Div 2A Down can't beat, and given two teams go up this year, it's a great opportunity. Playing the top counties regularly would be the next step to improving the standard of hurling in Down.

Glad to see Diarmuid O'Sullivan staying with Down. Trevor Fletcher should also be a good addition to the management team given his success at club level recently.

Down hurling seems to be in a good place for this year. Given last year was, on the whole, disappointing, despite the fact Down retained Div 2A and McDonagh Cup status, speaks volumes. A couple of years ago that would have been the dream.

Down Hurling is definitely going in the right direction. Let's hope we've another good year.







My own club has no real hurling background and it's not particularly strong in this area in general, however I have to say I love reading your posts and finding out bits of information about the county hurling team. Keep them coming in 2024! Thanks

Glad to hear, Ed  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 27, 2023, 12:00:09 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on December 24, 2023, 10:21:22 AMWho are the high profile departures from the football team?

Darren O'Hagan and Donal O'Hare gone
Liam Howlett gone too. Mullen in along with Tony Havern.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on December 27, 2023, 10:22:35 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on December 22, 2023, 12:04:26 PM
Quote from: Splash on December 22, 2023, 12:58:27 AMClarke confirmed to stay with Glenn (to clear up any question marks above).

Mitchells and Ballykinlar both definitely not fielding this season then? 

If Darragh Cross do go down to Div 4, the leagues are looking decided already.

Imagine Darragh Cross should win Div 4 no bother.
Imagine Glenn should win Div 3 no bother.
Imagine Bryansford (if they get their house in order) should win Div 2.





Bryansford has significantly regressed in recent years, therefore I don't think they will stroll this division. Since they have been lingering in mid-table for several years, I anticipate that Saul will want to start to challenge and Liatroim and the RGU will also push for promotion. Rostrevor's new manager will likely see them bounce, although they are similar to Bryansford in that all of their finest players are beyond thirty. Division 2 will be the most keenly contested.

Who is Rostrevors new managaer?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on December 28, 2023, 01:00:56 PM
Quote from: ck on December 27, 2023, 10:22:35 PMWho is Rostrevors new managaer?

DJ morgan , did well with carryduff getting them promoted to div 1 and so far as i know a senior final also
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on December 29, 2023, 04:08:06 PM
Any word of the McKenna cup panel?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on December 29, 2023, 06:58:56 PM
Bredagh minor hurlers into the Ulster final where we will play Dunloy. Beat Lavey 1-19 to 1-3 this afternoon. Bredagh Abu.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on December 29, 2023, 07:35:49 PM
That's a strong bredagh team - saw them earlier in the year. Final should be interesting.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on December 29, 2023, 09:42:22 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on December 29, 2023, 04:08:06 PMAny word of the McKenna cup panel?

Surely after watching what happened last year - you can't be expecting a panel to be named - and for it to actually be accurate. You do know who our county manager is don't you?? He named ONE accurate team in the whole of the 2023 season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on December 30, 2023, 02:17:51 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 29, 2023, 06:58:56 PMBredagh minor hurlers into the Ulster final where we will play Dunloy. Beat Lavey 1-19 to 1-3 this afternoon. Bredagh Abu.

Fair play to Bredagh. Some Scoreline. Also held Lavey scoreless in the second half?

Dunloy should be a big step up, but I doubt Bredagh fear anybody.

Great example of what a club can do when they put the work in.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on December 30, 2023, 10:37:17 PM
Quote from: Splash on December 30, 2023, 02:17:51 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on December 29, 2023, 06:58:56 PMBredagh minor hurlers into the Ulster final where we will play Dunloy. Beat Lavey 1-19 to 1-3 this afternoon. Bredagh Abu.

Fair play to Bredagh. Some Scoreline. Also held Lavey scoreless in the second half?

Dunloy should be a big step up, but I doubt Bredagh fear anybody.

Great example of what a club can do when they put the work in.


Bredagh are a good all round team,  they beat us well in the Down final and that's a good win against a highly fancied Lavey team.

Haven't saw this group of Dunloy hurlers in a few years and they have evidently pushed on a good bit from u15, but Bredagh should fancy their chances.
Can't remember the last time a Down team won this,  so all the best
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on December 31, 2023, 12:55:59 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on December 29, 2023, 09:42:22 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on December 29, 2023, 04:08:06 PMAny word of the McKenna cup panel?

Surely after watching what happened last year - you can't be expecting a panel to be named - and for it to actually be accurate. You do know who our county manager is don't you?? He named ONE accurate team in the whole of the 2023 season.
[/quote
I see Johnny's lad is getting started early this year. Name a manager that regularly names a correct starting team. I hate the practice but they are all doing it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 02, 2024, 10:57:50 PM

[/quote
I see Johnny's lad is getting started early this year. Name a manager that regularly names a correct starting team. I hate the practice but they are all doing it.
[/quote]

Just because they all do it doesn't make it right. Donegal, Derry, Armagh, Tyrone and Cavan all have panels named. Pick any 15 starters from the 24/28 named - it's fairly straight forward. But yet our county PRO team gets an award... go figure..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on January 03, 2024, 08:08:50 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 02, 2024, 10:57:50 PM[/quote
I see Johnny's lad is getting started early this year. Name a manager that regularly names a correct starting team. I hate the practice but they are all doing it.

Just because they all do it doesn't make it right. Donegal, Derry, Armagh, Tyrone and Cavan all have panels named. Pick any 15 starters from the 24/28 named - it's fairly straight forward. But yet our county PRO team gets an award... go figure..
[/quote]

What exactly is the point of naming incorrect teams? Does it really give the manager an advantage over the opposition? All it seems to do is p*ss everyone off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on January 03, 2024, 08:27:06 AM
Quote from: ck on January 03, 2024, 08:08:50 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 02, 2024, 10:57:50 PM[/quote
I see Johnny's lad is getting started early this year. Name a manager that regularly names a correct starting team. I hate the practice but they are all doing it.

Just because they all do it doesn't make it right. Donegal, Derry, Armagh, Tyrone and Cavan all have panels named. Pick any 15 starters from the 24/28 named - it's fairly straight forward. But yet our county PRO team gets an award... go figure..

What exactly is the point of naming incorrect teams? Does it really give the manager an advantage over the opposition? All it seems to do is p*ss everyone off.
[/quote]

No benefit in it at all.  I think mamagement think there is but there isn't.  Happens a lot in championship as if a county is getting 'one over' on the opposition.

Is there not a fine in place for naming dummy teams?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 03, 2024, 12:48:24 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 02, 2024, 10:57:50 PM[/quote
I see Johnny's lad is getting started early this year. Name a manager that regularly names a correct starting team. I hate the practice but they are all doing it.

Just because they all do it doesn't make it right. Donegal, Derry, Armagh, Tyrone and Cavan all have panels named. Pick any 15 starters from the 24/28 named - it's fairly straight forward. But yet our county PRO team gets an award... go figure..
[/quote]

We will name a team before our opening game on Saturday. Do the most futile things get you angry?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on January 03, 2024, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 03, 2024, 08:27:06 AM
Quote from: ck on January 03, 2024, 08:08:50 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 02, 2024, 10:57:50 PM[/quote
I see Johnny's lad is getting started early this year. Name a manager that regularly names a correct starting team. I hate the practice but they are all doing it.

Just because they all do it doesn't make it right. Donegal, Derry, Armagh, Tyrone and Cavan all have panels named. Pick any 15 starters from the 24/28 named - it's fairly straight forward. But yet our county PRO team gets an award... go figure..

What exactly is the point of naming incorrect teams? Does it really give the manager an advantage over the opposition? All it seems to do is p*ss everyone off.

No benefit in it at all.  I think mamagement think there is but there isn't.  Happens a lot in championship as if a county is getting 'one over' on the opposition.

Is there not a fine in place for naming dummy teams?
[/quote]

how can you possibly know whether there is benefit in it or not ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on January 03, 2024, 02:39:09 PM
Ffs lads someone just name a team to keep these fellas happy!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 03, 2024, 04:24:24 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on January 03, 2024, 02:39:09 PMFfs lads someone just name a team to keep these fellas happy!

I regret asking the question now lol
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 04, 2024, 08:20:37 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=786383310172613&set=a.463323009145313&type=3&mibextid=WC7FNe :-\

Can give you a goalkeeper Johnny
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 04, 2024, 06:06:24 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 02, 2024, 10:57:50 PM[/quote
I see Johnny's lad is getting started early this year. Name a manager that regularly names a correct starting team. I hate the practice but they are all doing it.

Just because they all do it doesn't make it right. Donegal, Derry, Armagh, Tyrone and Cavan all have panels named. Pick any 15 starters from the 24/28 named - it's fairly straight forward. But yet our county PRO team gets an award... go figure..
[/quote]

Donegal, Derry, Armagh, Tyrone and Cavan all
played on Wednesday night, Down don't play until Saturday. It's fairly straightforward.  ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 04, 2024, 08:04:33 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 04, 2024, 06:06:24 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 02, 2024, 10:57:50 PM[/quote
I see Johnny's lad is getting started early this year. Name a manager that regularly names a correct starting team. I hate the practice but they are all doing it.

Just because they all do it doesn't make it right. Donegal, Derry, Armagh, Tyrone and Cavan all have panels named. Pick any 15 starters from the 24/28 named - it's fairly straight forward. But yet our county PRO team gets an award... go figure..

Donegal, Derry, Armagh, Tyrone and Cavan all
played on Wednesday night, Down don't play until Saturday. It's fairly straightforward.  ::)
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That would have been my understanding too Supersub.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 05, 2024, 10:22:39 AM
Spare a thought for Johnnysboys who is currently refreshing his Twitter feed every few seconds awaiting this Down team for tomorrow ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 05, 2024, 10:44:56 AM
Is wee Conor going for a sweeper Keeper?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on January 05, 2024, 01:36:26 PM
https://x.com/OfficialDownGAA/status/1743253202227609695?s=20

Down panel named for McKenna opener. Not as many new faces as I thought there might be
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 05, 2024, 01:51:55 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on January 05, 2024, 01:36:26 PMhttps://x.com/OfficialDownGAA/status/1743253202227609695?s=20

Down panel named for McKenna opener. Not as many new faces as I thought there might be

Strong enough line up I was thinking too
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 05, 2024, 03:46:40 PM
How many of that side started the final against Meath? Laverty must be going all out.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on January 05, 2024, 05:05:05 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 05, 2024, 03:46:40 PMHow many of that side started the final against Meath? Laverty must be going all out.

9 of tomorrows starting 15 started the final with another 4 on the bench
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 05, 2024, 06:23:56 PM
Great to see the panel named for tomorrow evening. Very strong outfit named and possibly only 5/6 new faces on the panel from last year. Def can't see either of the named keepers lining out tomorrow.
It will also be interesting to see how strong Derry go with Harte a McKenna cup traditionalist who loves winning the competition to set down early season markers.  They are obviously without Glen players but a chance for others to really impress their new manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on January 05, 2024, 11:13:07 PM
Good to see John O'Hare named for tomorrow. Well worth giving him a crack in the league this year imo.

Great to see Conor McCrickard in the squad,too.


Couple lads thought would be involved which were not named, but it's very early days yet.

Would be great to get a scalp over Derry tomorrow. Regardless of McKenna Cup or not, beating the Ulster Champions is never a bad thing. Beating Donegal and Monaghan last year set a good standard for the year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on January 05, 2024, 11:37:37 PM
No word on any squad for the McGurk Cup anyroad.

Hear Sheehan is considering playing a lot of young, up and coming players.

Good time for a debut, but imo, it would have been worth calling in players from outside the Senior Championship. There are hurlers playing in the Junior and Intermediate Championship, who, granted, aren't performing at the standard of some players in the senior championship, but given a bit of game time and exposure, could become useful to the county squad.

Playing Div 3 Louth would have been a good opportunity to bring in such players. (No disrespect to Louth, just think it would be better than trying to introduce players against Laois, Offaly, etc.)

Also think it would have been worth floating the idea of playing the match in Ballela/Castlewellen/Liatroim etc.

Makes sense logistically given the opponent (as opposed to Downpatrick) and would have done no harm for the hurling in  those clubs. South Down used to play out Ballela if I'm correct, and Liatroim have hosted Down camogs I believe. So it's not unreasonable.

No reason we can't win the McGurk Cup. We have the talent, and Antrim will be the weakest they've been in a little while. Would be a good chance to win something.

The Kehoe Cup will be interesting. We play both Meath and Kildare this year. They will be must win games. Hopefully we get good showings against them. Also, we realistically want to be competitive with Leinster counties soon, such as Laois, Offaly, Carlow, Westmeath etc. Doing well here is another step towards that.

Would be great to see our hurlers win an Ulster and a Leinster preseason double  ;D

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walt Jabsco on January 06, 2024, 12:54:26 PM
Also think it would have been worth floating the idea of playing the match in Ballela/Castlewellen/Liatroim etc.

Whilst it would be great to see the fixture taking place in any of these venues and I no doubt these clubs and others have been approached with a view to hosting but clubs nowadays are more protective of their pitches and and given the recent weather who could blame them. During the Club off season Clubs undertake pitch renovations to prepare for the season ahead. It is probably the case that Club venues are not currently in a position to host.
Our County Squads are like Nomads roaming the County in search of somewhere to train and if Clubs facilitate training sessions the reason and desire for a COE to be constructed diminishes and the CB do not have to maintain a facility which is money hungry.

Makes sense logistically given the opponent (as opposed to Downpatrick) and would have done no harm for the hurling in  those clubs. South Down used to play out Ballela if I'm correct, and Liatroim have hosted Down camogs I believe. So it's not unreasonable.

Why should Down make it easier for the opposition, let's give any advantage we have to our teams. Do we get many Home games in the Kehoe Cup ? No we don't!  Why did you not suggest the likes of Clonduff, Warrenpoint or some other venue in that locality as a venue to make Louth's travel arrangements a bit easier but I would say that they have closed their pitches also   
With no disrespect to Ballela but the dressing rooms are not suitable for County panels where there could be 30+ players and backroom staff

Liatroim have hosted Down Camogie fixtures as have Castlewellan but not in January/February and they have also hosted NHL games when Ballycran and Pairc Esler have not been playable. As the match venue was initially fixed for Cherryvale at the start of the week you would have to ask what was the reason for the change?
Have Belfast CC closed the pitch? Was it double booked or not booked at all! As for BCC they don't seem to take much care of the surface on their Gaelic Games pitches at any of the venues I have been at.

The facility at Downpatrick is a commercial enterprise outside of school hours and is not as widely used during the summer whereas Club pitches are at their peak in terms of usage. During the summer the School can carry out repairs to the pitches during peak growing season where as Clubs cannot. This allows the School to use them in a better condition during term time after all it was constructed primarily for their use. 

Down Hurlers and Down Camogs trained in Belfast last year due to the lack of suitable facilities in Down. Clubs that did have suitable facilities were unwilling to give access to them as it probably meant that their own teams were loosing out on pitch time. Most teams want to train on a Tuesday and Thursday at 7:00pm whether it is U8s or Senior Inter County Teams and it is just not possible for it to happen to everyone's satisfaction . The availability of suitable pitches is at a premium during the pre season period

Splash it is not a personal criticism on yourself and your contributions on hurling matters are both excellent and welcome. Just pointing out there are a lot of considerations and work required in order to facilitate fixtures and training which the majority of people are not aware off especially at this time of the year where the weather is a major factor and dictates a lot of what is possible.

Let's hope both our Senior Teams today have a winning start to their campaigns and a successful 2024 season and we see movement on our COE even one pitch would be a start!     

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 06, 2024, 11:00:14 PM
Cherryvale pitches usually close, the road pitch usually closes in October and opens in March, currently getting fencing round it and ball stops. The new pitch is similar.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 07, 2024, 10:05:28 AM
Solid performance last night. Should've went in at HT further ahead. Derry upped it in 2nd half. Black card came at a crucial time. We didint look like winning in 2nd half but that was a strong Derry team, so a lot to take from it. Forwards still lacking a bit. But going the right direction. Murdock was solid, flynn had a good game. Will they stick with O'Hare in goal. He did well last night I thought. Be interesting to see where lav will play Mooney when he is fit and whether he can get a consistent performance out of him. The talent is definitely in the lad but not many more years to show it on the big stage. Hopefully O'Hagan will be ready for championship. All in all a promising start last night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on January 07, 2024, 04:10:05 PM
was that downs strongest team available last night or are there players to come in ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on January 07, 2024, 04:38:59 PM
We were beat by Dunloy by a point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 07, 2024, 08:01:37 PM
Good performance last night but lacking a killer edge up front at times. We went a huge part of the game without scoring which could be a problem in key league games. Murdock is a very good player and McEvoy was steady throughout.. Kerr at 11 was poor, Havern and Savage too.. Wednesday night should hopefully be better..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on January 08, 2024, 01:37:27 AM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on January 06, 2024, 12:54:26 PMAlso think it would have been worth floating the idea of playing the match in Ballela/Castlewellen/Liatroim etc.

Whilst it would be great to see the fixture taking place in any of these venues and I no doubt these clubs and others have been approached with a view to hosting but clubs nowadays are more protective of their pitches and and given the recent weather who could blame them. During the Club off season Clubs undertake pitch renovations to prepare for the season ahead. It is probably the case that Club venues are not currently in a position to host.
Our County Squads are like Nomads roaming the County in search of somewhere to train and if Clubs facilitate training sessions the reason and desire for a COE to be constructed diminishes and the CB do not have to maintain a facility which is money hungry.

Makes sense logistically given the opponent (as opposed to Downpatrick) and would have done no harm for the hurling in  those clubs. South Down used to play out Ballela if I'm correct, and Liatroim have hosted Down camogs I believe. So it's not unreasonable.

Why should Down make it easier for the opposition, let's give any advantage we have to our teams. Do we get many Home games in the Kehoe Cup ? No we don't!  Why did you not suggest the likes of Clonduff, Warrenpoint or some other venue in that locality as a venue to make Louth's travel arrangements a bit easier but I would say that they have closed their pitches also 
With no disrespect to Ballela but the dressing rooms are not suitable for County panels where there could be 30+ players and backroom staff

Liatroim have hosted Down Camogie fixtures as have Castlewellan but not in January/February and they have also hosted NHL games when Ballycran and Pairc Esler have not been playable. As the match venue was initially fixed for Cherryvale at the start of the week you would have to ask what was the reason for the change?
Have Belfast CC closed the pitch? Was it double booked or not booked at all! As for BCC they don't seem to take much care of the surface on their Gaelic Games pitches at any of the venues I have been at.

The facility at Downpatrick is a commercial enterprise outside of school hours and is not as widely used during the summer whereas Club pitches are at their peak in terms of usage. During the summer the School can carry out repairs to the pitches during peak growing season where as Clubs cannot. This allows the School to use them in a better condition during term time after all it was constructed primarily for their use. 

Down Hurlers and Down Camogs trained in Belfast last year due to the lack of suitable facilities in Down. Clubs that did have suitable facilities were unwilling to give access to them as it probably meant that their own teams were loosing out on pitch time. Most teams want to train on a Tuesday and Thursday at 7:00pm whether it is U8s or Senior Inter County Teams and it is just not possible for it to happen to everyone's satisfaction . The availability of suitable pitches is at a premium during the pre season period

Splash it is not a personal criticism on yourself and your contributions on hurling matters are both excellent and welcome. Just pointing out there are a lot of considerations and work required in order to facilitate fixtures and training which the majority of people are not aware off especially at this time of the year where the weather is a major factor and dictates a lot of what is possible.

Let's hope both our Senior Teams today have a winning start to their campaigns and a successful 2024 season and we see movement on our COE even one pitch would be a start!     



Completely agree with you on the COE.

Fair point on the quality of pitches at this time of year and whether or not clubs would be happy for them to be used.

My point was fundamentally it was an opportunity to host an intercounty hurling match in an area that typically we wouldn't. 

Suggested those clubs as opposed to Clonduff/Point just because they were the first ones that came to mind to be honest.

Wouldn't have bothered me where we played Louth- home advantage is home advantage. Don't think playing the game at the Abbey or at St Pat's in Banbridge would have made it any easier for Louth.

St Pat's in Downpatrick is a perfectly good facility to host games, but so is the Abbey, Aquinas, St Pat's BB, etc.

I wouldn't know what the situation is regarding these schools, though. Perhaps it's not feasible. Perhaps Downpatrick simply suited better (which is fair considering where the bulk of players are travelling from).

In regards to the situation in Cherryvale, I wouldn't have a notion what happened.

Walt, I completely agree with you on the situation surrounding the COE. It is at this time of year especially , you realise the value in having such a facility, particularly given external factors such as weather. Some excellent points there, especially the point you raised about the lack of suitable facilities for our hurlers and camogs to train on.

Hopefully in the future our teams are able to train regularly at great facilities within their own county.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on January 08, 2024, 01:45:29 AM
Quote from: Square Ball on January 07, 2024, 04:38:59 PMWe were beat by Dunloy by a point.

Hard luck. Heard it was a tight game that went down to the wire.

Great year for yous all the same. Some very good development going on around the club.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 08, 2024, 09:06:13 AM
Quote from: Splash on January 08, 2024, 01:37:27 AM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on January 06, 2024, 12:54:26 PMAlso think it would have been worth floating the idea of playing the match in Ballela/Castlewellen/Liatroim etc.

Whilst it would be great to see the fixture taking place in any of these venues and I no doubt these clubs and others have been approached with a view to hosting but clubs nowadays are more protective of their pitches and and given the recent weather who could blame them. During the Club off season Clubs undertake pitch renovations to prepare for the season ahead. It is probably the case that Club venues are not currently in a position to host.
Our County Squads are like Nomads roaming the County in search of somewhere to train and if Clubs facilitate training sessions the reason and desire for a COE to be constructed diminishes and the CB do not have to maintain a facility which is money hungry.

Makes sense logistically given the opponent (as opposed to Downpatrick) and would have done no harm for the hurling in  those clubs. South Down used to play out Ballela if I'm correct, and Liatroim have hosted Down camogs I believe. So it's not unreasonable.

Why should Down make it easier for the opposition, let's give any advantage we have to our teams. Do we get many Home games in the Kehoe Cup ? No we don't!  Why did you not suggest the likes of Clonduff, Warrenpoint or some other venue in that locality as a venue to make Louth's travel arrangements a bit easier but I would say that they have closed their pitches also 
With no disrespect to Ballela but the dressing rooms are not suitable for County panels where there could be 30+ players and backroom staff

Liatroim have hosted Down Camogie fixtures as have Castlewellan but not in January/February and they have also hosted NHL games when Ballycran and Pairc Esler have not been playable. As the match venue was initially fixed for Cherryvale at the start of the week you would have to ask what was the reason for the change?
Have Belfast CC closed the pitch? Was it double booked or not booked at all! As for BCC they don't seem to take much care of the surface on their Gaelic Games pitches at any of the venues I have been at.

The facility at Downpatrick is a commercial enterprise outside of school hours and is not as widely used during the summer whereas Club pitches are at their peak in terms of usage. During the summer the School can carry out repairs to the pitches during peak growing season where as Clubs cannot. This allows the School to use them in a better condition during term time after all it was constructed primarily for their use. 

Down Hurlers and Down Camogs trained in Belfast last year due to the lack of suitable facilities in Down. Clubs that did have suitable facilities were unwilling to give access to them as it probably meant that their own teams were loosing out on pitch time. Most teams want to train on a Tuesday and Thursday at 7:00pm whether it is U8s or Senior Inter County Teams and it is just not possible for it to happen to everyone's satisfaction . The availability of suitable pitches is at a premium during the pre season period

Splash it is not a personal criticism on yourself and your contributions on hurling matters are both excellent and welcome. Just pointing out there are a lot of considerations and work required in order to facilitate fixtures and training which the majority of people are not aware off especially at this time of the year where the weather is a major factor and dictates a lot of what is possible.

Let's hope both our Senior Teams today have a winning start to their campaigns and a successful 2024 season and we see movement on our COE even one pitch would be a start!     



Completely agree with you on the COE.

Fair point on the quality of pitches at this time of year and whether or not clubs would be happy for them to be used.

My point was fundamentally it was an opportunity to host an intercounty hurling match in an area that typically we wouldn't. 

Suggested those clubs as opposed to Clonduff/Point just because they were the first ones that came to mind to be honest.

Wouldn't have bothered me where we played Louth- home advantage is home advantage. Don't think playing the game at the Abbey or at St Pat's in Banbridge would have made it any easier for Louth.

St Pat's in Downpatrick is a perfectly good facility to host games, but so is the Abbey, Aquinas, St Pat's BB, etc.

I wouldn't know what the situation is regarding these schools, though. Perhaps it's not feasible. Perhaps Downpatrick simply suited better (which is fair considering where the bulk of players are travelling from).

In regards to the situation in Cherryvale, I wouldn't have a notion what happened.

Walt, I completely agree with you on the situation surrounding the COE. It is at this time of year especially , you realise the value in having such a facility, particularly given external factors such as weather. Some excellent points there, especially the point you raised about the lack of suitable facilities for our hurlers and camogs to train on.

Hopefully in the future our teams are able to train regularly at great facilities within their own county.




I heard on Saturday even Louth refused to travel to Belfast for the game being in Cherryvale but would suggest that Square Balls explanation for that makes more sense.

I think it was more or less an U20's team with a few hopefuls in there along with a handful of senior lads. The rest of the panel were training before the game so a win is a win and they move on.

Quote from: Square Ball on January 07, 2024, 04:38:59 PMWe were beat by Dunloy by a point.

Saw that...

The worse sort of defeat to take, full of what if's etc etc. But sure there's always next/this year and IMO it's more important to work with these lads in transitioning them to adult hurling and that's harder than people think.

We've a few underage "stars" and I've told them they'll need to change their style of hurling for adult, trying to waltz by lads won't work in Down Div1 let alone the Antrim league. They'll be put on their holes and that'll maybe do them the world of good.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 10, 2024, 08:18:39 AM
Good win for the Down hurlers last night up in Dunsilly vrs Antrim. It's only a preseason competition but beating Antrim is never a bad thing.

I hope Sean O'Neill from our club had a great game  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 10, 2024, 10:23:19 AM
Is there any update on tonight's squad?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 10, 2024, 01:11:20 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 10, 2024, 10:23:19 AMIs there any update on tonight's squad?
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Quote from: Truth hurts on January 10, 2024, 10:23:19 AMIs there any update on tonight's squad?

O Hare
Fegan
McEvoy
McElroy
Guinness
P Mc Cabe
Laverty
Murdock
Flynn
Mckibben
Kerr
J Guinness
Gilmore
Havern
Savage
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 10, 2024, 04:19:36 PM
 A strong team, good luck lads
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on January 10, 2024, 06:01:34 PM
This time last year I was full of optimism, but after Kilcoo's shameful behaviour before the county final, really don't care anymore. The manager must bear some responsibility
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 10, 2024, 09:16:47 PM
Are there no Clonduff men on the panel this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on January 11, 2024, 12:00:01 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 10, 2024, 08:18:39 AMGood win for the Down hurlers last night up in Dunsilly vrs Antrim.

It's only a preseason competition but beating Antrim is never a bad thing.

I hope Sean O'Neill from our club had a great game  ;D

Great win. Getting a win over the Saffs never a bad thing.

Pity we don't meet them in competitive games all that often anymore.  ::)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on January 11, 2024, 09:14:09 AM
Good win last night. Thought O'Hare was brilliant, Murdock is different class and young savage looked a threat all night. Defense looked a bit shaky last night, a clear focus on attack minded players but maybe a bit of balance is needed. Very harsh Down ended up missing out on a semi final due to the void donegal game 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 11, 2024, 09:29:23 AM
Regarding the keeper, I agree that he was outstanding and I hope he gets a run of games going forward. We were too lax and too open defensively. I thought our forwards were poor for a large part of the game. We could need a couple of Kilcoo guys in the attack. Murdock is a fantastic player and is leading the team. All in all, it was a good campaign and we were unlucky not to make the semi-final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 12, 2024, 09:09:32 PM
A very positive performance on Wednesday night when at times we looked certain for another defeat. A good indication of tactics we can expect to see in the league in a few weeks - although I'm not sure it's all down to Ciaran Meenagh that the keeper is pushed up the pitch. The u20 squad has been named and with two players on it - that's a pleasing return. A few clubs back on the slog of pre season already - with a full 12 weeks until the beginning of the league - is it too early?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 13, 2024, 08:59:40 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 12, 2024, 09:09:32 PMA very positive performance on Wednesday night when at times we looked certain for another defeat. A good indication of tactics we can expect to see in the league in a few weeks - although I'm not sure it's all down to Ciaran Meenagh that the keeper is pushed up the pitch. The u20 squad has been named and with two players on it - that's a pleasing return. A few clubs back on the slog of pre season already - with a full 12 weeks until the beginning of the league - is it too early?

Where did you see the squad for the u20s?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 14, 2024, 01:42:27 PM
Was sent to clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on January 15, 2024, 01:06:47 AM
Was a pity to not lift the McGurk Cup yesterday. Starting the year with silverware of any sort is never a bad thing- preseason or not.

Poor first half left far too much to do, but Down did well in the second half to bring it back within touching distance, and there were moments where they showed what they could really do when they took their chances.

Good performance from a very young team. Ultimately, using the McGurk Cup to give new players exposure and experience to senior inter-county hurling is a wise decision, and hopefully we will see some of those players make an impact in the league.
And getting an away win over Antrim in the process is never a bad thing.  ;)

On a side note, it's good to see Donegal hurling doing well, and can't say they didn't deserve to win yesterday. McGurk Cup is a great opportunity for Ulster counties. The better counties like Donegal/Tyrone/ Armagh get, and the more competitive they are with  Down/Antrim/Derry, it will act as a catalyst for reinstating the Ulster Hurling Championship, which will be good for Down in the long run. It was disappointing to not get the win yesterday, but can't begrudge Donegal one bit.

Good to start off our Kehoe Cup campaign in Leinster with a win over Meath. No doubt both teams will look very different by the time they meet in the league, but good to get a good win over them today, nonetheless.

All in all, you can't be too disappointed with how the McGurk campaign went, and hopefully we will be able to say the same about the Kehoe Cup. There's a great opportunity for the Down hurlers this year. Hopefully we hit the ground running.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 15, 2024, 10:02:26 AM
Quote from: Splash on January 15, 2024, 01:06:47 AMWas a pity to not lift the McGurk Cup yesterday. Starting the year with silverware of any sort is never a bad thing- preseason or not.

Poor first half left far too much to do, but Down did well in the second half to bring it back within touching distance, and there were moments where they showed what they could really do when they took their chances.

Good performance from a very young team. Ultimately, using the McGurk Cup to give new players exposure and experience to senior inter-county hurling is a wise decision, and hopefully we will see some of those players make an impact in the league.
And getting an away win over Antrim in the process is never a bad thing.  ;)

On a side note, it's good to see Donegal hurling doing well, and can't say they didn't deserve to win yesterday. McGurk Cup is a great opportunity for Ulster counties. The better counties like Donegal/Tyrone/ Armagh get, and the more competitive they are with  Down/Antrim/Derry, it will act as a catalyst for reinstating the Ulster Hurling Championship, which will be good for Down in the long run. It was disappointing to not get the win yesterday, but can't begrudge Donegal one bit.

Good to start off our Kehoe Cup campaign in Leinster with a win over Meath. No doubt both teams will look very different by the time they meet in the league, but good to get a good win over them today, nonetheless.

All in all, you can't be too disappointed with how the McGurk campaign went, and hopefully we will be able to say the same about the Kehoe Cup. There's a great opportunity for the Down hurlers this year. Hopefully we hit the ground running.


yes,
    A very young team out in the Conor McGurk cup final but TBH I don't think any showed anything to be troubling the senior panel, very turgid stuff.
If you get an opportunity like that you'd have thought you'd be busting your balls to impress. I didn't see that from any really and the game petered out well before the end as Down had no goal threat or ball winners up the park.
A short puckout to a lad on his own 20 metre line, maybe one other pass out and then launched up the park and gobbled up by the bigger Donegal defenders, repeat ad nauseum.

It's looking like Pierce Smyth will be holding onto the No1 jersey for the foreseeable as Viper has an eye issue.

Kildare next week will see where we're really at.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on January 16, 2024, 01:05:56 AM
Definitely some questionable decisions in the first half; the method of trying to pull Donegal wide before delivering a short puckout, only for Donegal to immediately turn it over and take the score was frustrating.

Didn't seem to have any response to the Donegal sweeper in the first half, and didn't seem to be able to utilise the extra man in our own half, either. Also seemed to give Donegal simply too much space. Markers not sticking to their man close enough, giving Donegal forwards plenty of time etc.

Thought this was also demonstrated by more seasoned players, too.

Plenty of learning opportunity for the players, though. I'm sure this tournament will stand to them.

Couple players potentially worth a shot in the senior set up at some point this year. Ben Christie looked good when the backs managed to deliver a ball into the forwards, and thought Deaglan Mallon had a couple of real good moments. Donal Hughes, whilst a bit rusty, looked good. Will be good to see him back in the senior set up, hopefully.

Pity to hear that about Kieth- hopefully Smyth does well if he is given the opportunity. Thought he had a dead on game (the goals were caused by a gaps in a scattered defence, not by mistakes from the keeper).

Kildare will be a tough test. Particularly if their performance yesterday is anything to go by. But that's the level we need to be performing at at the very least if we're hoping to succeed this year.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownFanatic on January 16, 2024, 09:19:19 AM
Where do Down rank in the whole scale of things at underage and senior in terms of hurling in Ireland?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 16, 2024, 09:50:21 AM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 16, 2024, 09:19:19 AMWhere do Down rank in the whole scale of things at underage and senior in terms of hurling in Ireland?

Roughly same as the footballers, low mid tier.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 16, 2024, 11:25:30 AM
We, the loyal members of the Down GAA, have tolerated mediocrity in football and hurling since the year 2000. In Ulster, we used to be respected, but now we have to be jealous of places like Derry, Tyrone, Donegal, etc. What is wrong with our wonderful county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 16, 2024, 01:00:03 PM
Has the public disclosure of Tom Ryan's independent review's findings occurred yet?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on January 16, 2024, 03:02:27 PM
Quote from: DownFanatic on January 16, 2024, 09:19:19 AMWhere do Down rank in the whole scale of things at underage and senior in terms of hurling in Ireland?

If you were to rank the counties of Ireland from 1-32, IMO I'd put Down smack in the middle.

A long way off the likes of Limerick, Kilkenny, Clare, etc., but our first choice senior squad would comfortably beat most other teams.

On a good day, we're capable of competing and beating the likes of Laois, Westmeath, Antrim, Offaly etc.

At the minute, we're probably closest in standard to Kerry or Kildare.

Wouldn't be as clear as to where we are at underage. Did win an U20 B All Ireland two years ago, and weren't a million miles away last year, so fair to say probably similar enough to the seniors.

It's well worth pointing out in my opinion, that we probably have the most potential of any of the counties around our level. Hurling is very much the minority sport, but we hold our own with significantly less clubs to draw players from, especially compared to counties where hurling is similarly a minority.

We are a big county, with a big population, and as more clubs start to make an impact on the hurling landscape, I would hope this has a positive impact on the overall standard of Down on the inter-county scene.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on January 16, 2024, 03:19:26 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 16, 2024, 11:25:30 AMWe, the loyal members of the Down GAA, have tolerated mediocrity in football and hurling since the year 2000. In Ulster, we used to be respected, but now we have to be jealous of places like Derry, Tyrone, Donegal, etc. What is wrong with our wonderful county?

In crude terms, I don't think we ever really built on our success in the 90s to the extent we should have, and rely too much on waiting on golden generations to come along. It's a lot more complex than that, but I think that essentially sums in up.

In regards to the mediocrity in the hurling, it's simply a lack of clubs. You can't expect to be challenging for All Irelands when you've only a handful of players to choose from. 

There's 6 clubs in the senior championship. There's 16 in the football equivalent. There's not even 16 hurling clubs in the county. If the hurlers had the resources that the footballers had, I think they'd do alright.

The good news for us is that in both codes, there is a path to improvement. We are not hampered by a small population, and have a good GAA culture.

Hopefully better days are coming.





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on January 17, 2024, 12:20:35 PM
any players playing in the sigerson who would be adding to the down squad ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on January 17, 2024, 03:24:05 PM
Quote from: Splash on January 16, 2024, 03:19:26 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 16, 2024, 11:25:30 AMWe, the loyal members of the Down GAA, have tolerated mediocrity in football and hurling since the year 2000. In Ulster, we used to be respected, but now we have to be jealous of places like Derry, Tyrone, Donegal, etc. What is wrong with our wonderful county?

In crude terms, I don't think we ever really built on our success in the 90s to the extent we should have, and rely too much on waiting on golden generations to come along. It's a lot more complex than that, but I think that essentially sums in up.

In regards to the mediocrity in the hurling, it's simply a lack of clubs. You can't expect to be challenging for All Irelands when you've only a handful of players to choose from. 

There's 6 clubs in the senior championship. There's 16 in the football equivalent. There's not even 16 hurling clubs in the county. If the hurlers had the resources that the footballers had, I think they'd do alright.

The good news for us is that in both codes, there is a path to improvement. We are not hampered by a small population, and have a good GAA culture.

Hopefully better days are coming.






Down got to all ireland final 2010, then st colmans won back to back Hogans in 2011 and 2012 they seemed in a really good spot at that stage.  Along with the competitiveness of Kilcoo over the last 10 years seems strange that Down have been so unsuccessful. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 17, 2024, 03:29:42 PM
Quote from: statto on January 17, 2024, 03:24:05 PM
Quote from: Splash on January 16, 2024, 03:19:26 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 16, 2024, 11:25:30 AMWe, the loyal members of the Down GAA, have tolerated mediocrity in football and hurling since the year 2000. In Ulster, we used to be respected, but now we have to be jealous of places like Derry, Tyrone, Donegal, etc. What is wrong with our wonderful county?

In crude terms, I don't think we ever really built on our success in the 90s to the extent we should have, and rely too much on waiting on golden generations to come along. It's a lot more complex than that, but I think that essentially sums in up.

In regards to the mediocrity in the hurling, it's simply a lack of clubs. You can't expect to be challenging for All Irelands when you've only a handful of players to choose from. 

There's 6 clubs in the senior championship. There's 16 in the football equivalent. There's not even 16 hurling clubs in the county. If the hurlers had the resources that the footballers had, I think they'd do alright.

The good news for us is that in both codes, there is a path to improvement. We are not hampered by a small population, and have a good GAA culture.

Hopefully better days are coming.






Down got to all ireland final 2010, then st colmans won back to back Hogans in 2011 and 2012 they seemed in a really good spot at that stage.  Along with the competitiveness of Kilcoo over the last 10 years seems strange that Down have been so unsuccessful. 

Take Kilcoo and maybe Burren out of it, but does the standard of club football at senior level drop off a bit of cliff?

If Kilcoo were pushed to the pin of their collar in the Down championship by a few other teams then you'd have more optimism in the standard of club football being able to sustain a highly competitive county senior team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on January 17, 2024, 04:41:21 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2024, 03:29:42 PM
Quote from: statto on January 17, 2024, 03:24:05 PM
Quote from: Splash on January 16, 2024, 03:19:26 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 16, 2024, 11:25:30 AMWe, the loyal members of the Down GAA, have tolerated mediocrity in football and hurling since the year 2000. In Ulster, we used to be respected, but now we have to be jealous of places like Derry, Tyrone, Donegal, etc. What is wrong with our wonderful county?

In crude terms, I don't think we ever really built on our success in the 90s to the extent we should have, and rely too much on waiting on golden generations to come along. It's a lot more complex than that, but I think that essentially sums in up.

In regards to the mediocrity in the hurling, it's simply a lack of clubs. You can't expect to be challenging for All Irelands when you've only a handful of players to choose from. 

There's 6 clubs in the senior championship. There's 16 in the football equivalent. There's not even 16 hurling clubs in the county. If the hurlers had the resources that the footballers had, I think they'd do alright.

The good news for us is that in both codes, there is a path to improvement. We are not hampered by a small population, and have a good GAA culture.

Hopefully better days are coming.






Down got to all ireland final 2010, then st colmans won back to back Hogans in 2011 and 2012 they seemed in a really good spot at that stage.  Along with the competitiveness of Kilcoo over the last 10 years seems strange that Down have been so unsuccessful. 

Take Kilcoo and maybe Burren out of it, but does the standard of club football at senior level drop off a bit of cliff?

If Kilcoo were pushed to the pin of their collar in the Down championship by a few other teams then you'd have more optimism in the standard of club football being able to sustain a highly competitive county senior team.

Carryduff, Clonduff and Warrenpoint would have pushed them in recent years think have given Clonduff a few hidings as well. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 19, 2024, 01:04:09 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 16, 2024, 01:00:03 PMHas the public disclosure of Tom Ryan's independent review's findings occurred yet?

This has been brushed under the carpet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 20, 2024, 07:03:02 AM
One week to go until start of football league, still a few players missing from last year's team Ryan and Sheelan Johnson, Branagan, McAleenan, Fitzpatrick (I'm sure I've missed a few) are they injured for next weekend or just rested for the McKenna? Is Ruairi McCrickard involved? Definitely thought he would have been given a chance.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 21, 2024, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 20, 2024, 07:03:02 AMOne week to go until start of football league, still a few players missing from last year's team Ryan and Sheelan Johnson, Branagan, McAleenan, Fitzpatrick (I'm sure I've missed a few) are they injured for next weekend or just rested for the McKenna? Is Ruairi McCrickard involved? Definitely thought he would have been given a chance.


Mcaleenan is off panel and travelling at present.
Fitzpatrick off panel and I hear a whisper is going travelling too
Johnston's are training away - prob ready this week now that the league starts..
Eugene is off panel with work commitments.
Mccrickard not on panel. Conor just..

Hard not to be envious of Glen Maghera today. Some group of players and an excellent manager.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on January 22, 2024, 02:07:29 AM
Disappointing defeat to Kildare for the hurlers yesterday in the Kehoe Cup. No pre-season silverware this year.

Close enough game in the end. Ultimately you have to be happy enough with the pre-season. Beat Meath, and have the potential to beat Kildare. At the end of the day, when we play these teams later in the year, they will be, in all likelihood, must-win games to avoid relegation in the league and championship, let alone gain promotion. Hopefully we finish this preseason off well with a good performance over Wicklow in the next round.

Have to say, Kildare's Hurling Action Plan has been quite remarkable over the past few years, and would be great to see us implement something similar in Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on January 22, 2024, 02:23:34 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 21, 2024, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 20, 2024, 07:03:02 AMOne week to go until start of football league, still a few players missing from last year's team Ryan and Sheelan Johnson, Branagan, McAleenan, Fitzpatrick (I'm sure I've missed a few) are they injured for next weekend or just rested for the McKenna? Is Ruairi McCrickard involved? Definitely thought he would have been given a chance.


Mcaleenan is off panel and travelling at present.
Fitzpatrick off panel and I hear a whisper is going travelling too
Johnston's are training away - prob ready this week now that the league starts..
Eugene is off panel with work commitments.
Mccrickard not on panel. Conor just..

Hard not to be envious of Glen Maghera today. Some group of players and an excellent manager.

Would assume Ruairi McCrickard is probably still involved with the hurlers this year. Thought he would have been involved with the footballers, too.

Wonder will we see any dual county players this year? Conor McCrickard was involved with the hurlers last year as well as the footballers I think. Very hard to commit to both, but fair play to any man that can manage it.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on January 22, 2024, 06:55:56 AM
I expect the footballers to progress on this year. They have a decent management setup and some good talented players. Oran Murdock is the key man. Hopefully we can find a few more good big physical players to support him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 22, 2024, 09:18:01 AM
Quote from: Splash on January 22, 2024, 02:07:29 AMDisappointing defeat to Kildare for the hurlers yesterday in the Kehoe Cup. No pre-season silverware this year.

Close enough game in the end. Ultimately you have to be happy enough with the pre-season. Beat Meath, and have the potential to beat Kildare. At the end of the day, when we play these teams later in the year, they will be, in all likelihood, must-win games to avoid relegation in the league and championship, let alone gain promotion. Hopefully we finish this preseason off well with a good performance over Wicklow in the next round.

Have to say, Kildare's Hurling Action Plan has been quite remarkable over the past few years, and would be great to see us implement something similar in Down.

How would you improve hurling in the county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on January 22, 2024, 11:12:04 AM
The only way to improve hurling in Down is to get more clubs playing, we punch way above where we should and produce hurlers of real quality but just dont have the critical mass to be a top tier team. Some of the bigger football only clubs should start hurling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 22, 2024, 12:14:37 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on January 22, 2024, 11:12:04 AMThe only way to improve hurling in Down is to get more clubs playing, we punch way above where we should and produce hurlers of real quality but just dont have the critical mass to be a top tier team. Some of the bigger football only clubs should start hurling.


Could it be that larger football teams would not be affiliated with a hurling club? Would the young men from Kilcoo not play for Liatroim? Kilcoo had a few talented players in the 80s.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 22, 2024, 02:13:42 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 22, 2024, 12:14:37 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on January 22, 2024, 11:12:04 AMThe only way to improve hurling in Down is to get more clubs playing, we punch way above where we should and produce hurlers of real quality but just dont have the critical mass to be a top tier team. Some of the bigger football only clubs should start hurling.


Could it be that larger football teams would not be affiliated with a hurling club? Would the young men from Kilcoo not play for Liatroim? Kilcoo had a few talented players in the 80s.

Some have done at underage, but nothing to sustain a standalone adult team, but rather than lump in with Liatroim who are already serious senior contenders maybe work with the likes of Ballela, Ballyvarley instead to bring their player bases up.

I'm expecting Castlewellan to start pushing up the ranks at adult, but it'll take a few more years for their work at underage to come good.

If only we could get Ballybeen, Kilcooley and the Westwinds to take up the hurling we'd make inroads..  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 22, 2024, 02:30:56 PM
Areas that could be targeted are Newcastle and Downpatrick. Is there a hurling GPO?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on January 22, 2024, 02:31:09 PM
football clubs probably dont see it in their best interest to promote hurling and it is probably the same in reverese in ards . Are there many succesful senior dual clubs except slaughtneil ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 22, 2024, 03:12:32 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 22, 2024, 02:30:56 PMAreas that could be targeted are Newcastle and Downpatrick. Is there a hurling GPO?

If there is then they hide themselves well.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 22, 2024, 03:16:26 PM
Quote from: skat man on January 22, 2024, 02:31:09 PMfootball clubs probably dont see it in their best interest to promote hurling and it is probably the same in reverese in ards . Are there many succesful senior dual clubs except slaughtneil ?

The level of success achieved by the likes of Slaughtneil is unprecedented in terms of dual success at provincial level and indeed camogie, but I'd counter that the likes of Bredagh, Carryduff and Liatroim do a fine job in promoting all codes with honourable mentions to Clonduff and Castlewellan also.

It helps to have big numbers

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 22, 2024, 05:32:27 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on January 22, 2024, 11:12:04 AMThe only way to improve hurling in Down is to get more clubs playing, we punch way above where we should and produce hurlers of real quality but just dont have the critical mass to be a top tier team. Some of the bigger football only clubs should start hurling.

Should start hurling - I'm not sure that would sit well with their footballing committees. Some see it as a major distraction in clubs with dual players not able to commit to anything really by giving 50% to both. I love the fact we have it in our club but have been to very few games in any season.
Not being able to field, only playing 13 aside etc is frustrating. Lads are full of empty promises in January about the commitment they will give to hurling and then take the easy option when they are needed for games. That's how I see it in our club anyhow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on January 22, 2024, 05:58:31 PM
Every club in Ireland should have a hurling team.

Great advantage.  So many cross over skills but the 'football people' in clubs thinks it a disadvantage.  It's an advantage.

Look at the top Dublin clubs, all dual clubs. Throw in Sleacht Néil, Loughmore Castleiney, Dunloy, Naas and a few Clare clubs etc.  These are just a few.

It's a bit like learning two languages - they complement each other and are of benefit, not, as people think, a disadvantage.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on January 22, 2024, 06:02:18 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on January 22, 2024, 11:12:04 AMThe only way to improve hurling in Down is to get more clubs playing, we punch way above where we should and produce hurlers of real quality but just dont have the critical mass to be a top tier team. Some of the bigger football only clubs should start hurling.

Not much football played at the strongest hurling clubs either!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on January 22, 2024, 06:52:27 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 22, 2024, 02:30:56 PMAreas that could be targeted are Newcastle and Downpatrick. Is there a hurling GPO?

I think Ulster GAA have GPOs who are dedicated specifically to hurling.
I assume they work in Down?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on January 22, 2024, 07:34:23 PM
When football was, as it should be, a hobby, dual players would have been more feasible. Now that even club teams are expected to live like Spartans and train like the SAS, it's no longer possible.
The pressure on playing fields of an extra code would also be too much for most clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 22, 2024, 09:21:50 PM
Liatroim looking for a new senior football manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on January 22, 2024, 11:12:30 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 22, 2024, 05:58:31 PMEvery club in Ireland should have a hurling team.

Great advantage.  So many cross over skills but the 'football people' in clubs thinks it a disadvantage.  It's an advantage.

Look at the top Dublin clubs, all dual clubs. Throw in Sleacht Néil, Loughmore Castleiney, Dunloy, Naas and a few Clare clubs etc.  These are just a few.

It's a bit like learning two languages - they complement each other and are of benefit, not, as people think, a disadvantage.


biggest city in ireland has enough players to support dual clubs. In other news water is wet . Sucessfull top level dual clubs are rare for a reason
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on January 23, 2024, 12:12:22 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on January 22, 2024, 06:02:18 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on January 22, 2024, 11:12:04 AMThe only way to improve hurling in Down is to get more clubs playing, we punch way above where we should and produce hurlers of real quality but just dont have the critical mass to be a top tier team. Some of the bigger football only clubs should start hurling.

Not much football played at the strongest hurling clubs either!
They are small clubs
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on January 23, 2024, 02:13:42 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 22, 2024, 09:18:01 AM
Quote from: Splash on January 22, 2024, 02:07:29 AMDisappointing defeat to Kildare for the hurlers yesterday in the Kehoe Cup. No pre-season silverware this year.

Close enough game in the end. Ultimately you have to be happy enough with the pre-season. Beat Meath, and have the potential to beat Kildare. At the end of the day, when we play these teams later in the year, they will be, in all likelihood, must-win games to avoid relegation in the league and championship, let alone gain promotion. Hopefully we finish this preseason off well with a good performance over Wicklow in the next round.

Have to say, Kildare's Hurling Action Plan has been quite remarkable over the past few years, and would be great to see us implement something similar in Down.

How would you improve hurling in the county?

Great bit of hurling discussion going on today. Love to see it.

As others have said, the most fundamental thing which has to be done to improve hurling is to get more people playing hurling. At the end of the day, it boils down to that. I've said it before and I'll say it again; we are lucky to have the fourth biggest population in Ireland. Take out the usual arguments, that a lot of those people don't come from a club that offers hurling, or half of that population wouldn't be interested in hurling for political reasons. At the end of the day, there's  over half a million people in County Down. We should be trying to make hurling as accessible to each and every one of them.

The key thing, for me, would be to get more clubs offering hurling. The most obvious thing would be suggesting teams like RGU or Bryansford offering hurling. Downpatrick and Newcastle are two big population centres in South Down, and neither has a hurling team. Yes, Kilclief and Castlewellen are options for people in those towns, but let's face it, if you have to travel, no matter how little the distance, the game will not be as popular.

It would be great to see clubs that used to offer hurling revive it again. Darragh Cross and Glenn would be the two examples that spring to mind.

It would also be great to see a couple more new clubs come into existence in the near future.

The other big thing would be to improve the standard of the hurling that is being played. A complicated matter, but it has to be done.

Our schools could encourage the game more. Having more Down schools being competitive in the Mageen Cup would be great. Schools competition if often a good step between club and county. Giving more Down players the chance to play against quality opposition from other schools across Ulster would be beneficial in the long run.

There are other things I think that could be done to improve the quality of hurling in Down, but I think those 3 things would be a massive boost in particular.

I don't understand the opposition from some football people to having hurling in their club. If they don't like it, fine. Nobody will force them to play. Don't see why you would try to stop giving anyone else the chance to play it, though. I would agree that the hurling only clubs should offer football, but it's not a good reason to say 'Sure why would we start a hurling team if the Ardsmen aren't playing football.' Every club should offer both, as well as handball.

Regarding the success of dual clubs, Slaughtneil are/were a once in a generation team. You couldn't expect any dual club in Down to be operating at that level. There are plenty of dual clubs that are competitive in both. Dunloy in Antrim. Saint Eunan's in Donegal, etc.

It's ridiculous to think having a hurling team will hamper the football in the club. The Point reached a senior football final and won a junior hurling championship in the same year in 2022. The two can live side by side.

There's a lot that could be done to improve the hurling landscape in Down. But it's nothing that can't be done.




Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on January 23, 2024, 10:08:14 AM
not opposition to hurling , im sure most like to watch a game . its the reality's of it . most clubs struggle for numbers as is , clubs who only have 1 code are doing what they can to promote their chosen code and even w then some are struggling . what clubs realistically in Down except maybe burren and kilcoo could field a hurling team seperate from the football team.
you wont convince people from either code in clubs with a smaller pick that dual can work , it doesnt , naming a few clubs who have done things in 1 off seasons wont change that. the problems of using the same players for both and burnout/injury , lack of facilities and both teams struggling due to training sessions being disrupted still remain . if you have soloutions to them real issues id be interested to hear .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on January 23, 2024, 12:17:15 PM
You make it seem as though most clubs are struggling to field 15 players every week in the football. That's simply not the case. A lot of clubs already have reserve teams.

As I said, the most obvious answers would be RGU and Bryansford due to their population centres.

Saval, Mayobridge, Loughinisland, Darragh Cross, Glenn, to name a few.

Plenty of examples of clubs being able to sustain both.

Youre not necessarily using the same players for both codes. You wouldn't be expecting every player to be a dual player. The fact is you will have some fellas who just play football, and some who just play hurling. It's not simply a case of handing the senior football team hurls. You will have people playing hurling who don't play football for the club.

One shouldn't be hampering the other. If it is, you're doing something very wrong. 

Lack of facilities can be difficult, but a lot of clubs have at least two pitches, but you wouldn't be expecting hurling and football to be on the same night, anyway. It's just about being pragmatic with time slots.

The fact of the matter is most clubs in Down aren't struggling to field football teams. No reason most senior football clubs couldn't field a junior hurling team.

If football men are afraid that hurling may take away from football (I assume, because they're afraid lads will enjoy and commit to the hurling?), it is their responsibility to make sure football is enjoyable and keep people interested.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on January 23, 2024, 12:42:28 PM
i dont agree on the clubs you suggested as some of them are 1 school clubs with limited numbers going in.

that aside the main issue with hurling though is the lack of appetite for it in clubs that dont provide it. its not like hurling is banned in them clubs , there just isnt an appetite. opening the kids up to the game by bringing it into more schools would be a suggestion because then the players come into clubs looking to play it and clubs maybe facilitate it then .

there is no worry about kids enjoying hurling more , thats evident by the amount of kids who play each code currently . Hurling people have an arrogance over the skill levels and beauty etc of their game and how its somehow better than the football , maybe lose that and people will embrace it more
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on January 23, 2024, 01:48:38 PM
What clubs would you recommend? Those are clubs that either have a decent population to draw from, or already have a bit of a hurling tradition.

Bringing hurling into schools and improving links between clubs and schools is something which needs to happen to help the game.

I think it goes without saying the fact that there's more kids playing football would be due to the fact that most clubs offer football, whilst most don't offer hurling.

The argument that's there no appetite for it doesn't stand very well. If you build it, they will come as they say.

Don't think you can brand all hurling people as arrogant. Absolutely, there are hurling snobs, same as there is with anything else. Doesn't have to stop people enjoying the game. There's people who have an arrogance about football. I never let them put me off enjoying football, the same way I never let those who have an arrogance around hurling put me off enjoying the small ball.

I'm not going to debate game which is better. It's a subjective matter. I personally prefer hurling. I also enjoy football. If someone prefers football, that's fair. It's a good game, too. Don't think anyone here said the skills and beauty of hurling are superior to that of football. Not really sure where you pulled that one from.

Telling me to 'maybe lose that arrogance' to try and get people to embrace the game isn't the best argument I've heard Skat Man, can't lie.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 02:08:30 PM
Hurling's challenge in growing within existing football clubs is not one of politics, logistics or player numbers. Those are things for further down the line.

Instead it's almost entirely a cultural challenge, one that is owing to a simple conundrum whereby attempts to  displace a multi-generational disinterest in hurling, are likely to be met with continued disinterest.

Even in the unlikely scenario of a club stumbling upon a messianic group of hurling coaches and admins at the same time, hurling would be a futile and short term project unless those people are immediately followed up by likeminded folks, and then again after those. Developing and maintaining a conveyor belt is, by some distance, the most essential difference between a GAA club flourishing and faltering, in any code. That means suitable and focused coaches ready to step in every other year. For hurling, those people aren't football people.

I would instead suggest the "hurling crowd" focus on two other angles.

One is that there's probably too many football clubs in Down as it stands. Just run with this. Football doesn't need a club in every last town and village, and hurling certainly doesn't. So the existing clubs should be absolutely targeting neighbouring club's primary schools, but only for hurling. And if e.g. driving from Mayobridge or Kilcoo to Hilltown, is proving too much effort, then there's no sport that's going to work out for that family. Don't make excuses about short distances.

The other is that a standalone club like Craobh Rua is probably more likely to attract players from a broader radius, than a club that is traditionally tied to one or two primary schools / parishes. I think this approach would likely serve e.g. the Mournes better, serve Lecale better, etc. and on top of that it would mean that hurling aficionados from those parts of the world, can come together and trust each other to maintain the conveyor belt.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on January 23, 2024, 02:26:10 PM
You're absolutely right that the lack of an existing hurling culture is a massive problem. North Down offers a good opportunity. We are yet to build a real GAA presence in that part of the county. Ignoring political and social factors for a moment, if we could manage to establish GAA clubs in Bangor, Newtownards, etc., it could be easier to create a hurling culture in these clubs as opposed to clubs which already have a dominant football culture.

Keeping a conveyor belt going is essential. Look at Darragh Cross. They were a strong team, who produced county hurlers. And then when that generation was finished, they just disappeared.

I do agree with existing clubs drawing from other parishes. Shamrocks do this very well. Especially at under age. A lot of clubs could do well from some sort of mutual agreement, e.g, Ballela and Annaclone. I know what you're saying that if someone isn't willing to travel it will never work out, and this is correct, but at the end of the day, some people won't drive their kids for 15 min every Saturday to play hurling, when they could just go 2 minutes to the football club in their own parish. I'm not saying whether is right or wrong. I'm just saying you'll always have that. And you'll always have people loyal to one club and one club only. There will be many in Kilcoo who will never want to play for Clonduff. Again, this will always be a thing, and there's not much that can be done, but it will exist nonetheless.

The idea of standalone clubs is one Id like to see more of. It has been started in the Mournes, with the clubs feeding an underage club called Clann Mhúrn. Something similar could be trialed in Lecale, or between Glenn/Saval/Drumgrath, etc.

It offers an opportunity for hurling people to come together, and does away with the problem some people may have of playing for their rival parish.

If it happened, and these clubs had the success of Craobh Rua, it would be a massive boost.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on January 23, 2024, 02:38:51 PM
i dont think there are clubs you can just say ok lets start there and get them to provide hurling. its the same as anything, its supply and demand , kids love any sport so create a demand by offering summer schemes in 3/4 close proximity clubs and in the local schools maybe you create 3/4 players from each with a passion for taking up hurling , then the idea of your standalone clubs comes into play , very good idea btw.

who funds all this i have no idea but asking non hurling clubs to just start providing it is a non starter in my opinion , the same as it would be for non football teams .
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clonian on January 23, 2024, 03:47:05 PM
Lots of kids from non hurling clubs play with their schools so I think if the option was there kids would go and parents would take them.

One thing I disagree on is that clubs aren't against hurling (or any other sport). I've been involved with football and hurling for a few years at underage. Everyone wants players that play nothing else so you can give a full commitment to their wee team. I've heard lads boast their lad isn't even allowed to watch soccer on the TV like that's a good thing. Let them play as many sports as possible.

There was hurling days (2 Saturdays a month) to be set aside for underage tournaments, no football blitzes allowed. We had to fight for every one of the Saturdays during August and September and most of the days football won out. Nobody wants to give an inch.

The hurling summer schemes in non footballing clubs would be a great idea. Ballela always did hurling only cul camps and you got a lot of neighbouring clubs coming out to it and they would get an odd one staying on. They would of got quite a few girls from Dromore hockey club coming out to train during the summer too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 24, 2024, 10:26:31 AM
Are there any injuries for this week's game in Aughrim?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on January 24, 2024, 12:06:14 PM
No fresh news on injuries. Assuming the team that started against Cavan will be close to our starting team. Although the subs all had a good impact when 6 points Down. Mason, Fancis, Mc Cartan, Docherty  be in with a shout to start?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 24, 2024, 12:53:01 PM
 J O'Hare; P Fegan, R McEvoy, F McElroy; D Guinness, A Docherty, P Laverty ; O Murdock , J Flynn; G McKibben, L Kerr , J Guinness; R Mason, P Havern , O Savage

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on January 24, 2024, 07:56:39 PM
Quote from: Targetman on January 22, 2024, 09:21:50 PMLiatroim looking for a new senior football manager

What's going on there? Just won the intermediate championship!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on January 24, 2024, 08:41:52 PM
I would guess the football manager would have wanted a commitment from the team to fully focus on football so that liatriom could best realise their potential in the higher league and senior championship but they also have a strong hurling team with a potential to win something.....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on January 24, 2024, 09:49:43 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on January 24, 2024, 07:56:39 PM
Quote from: Targetman on January 22, 2024, 09:21:50 PMLiatroim looking for a new senior football manager

What's going on there? Just won the intermediate championship!

Players kept stealing his eggs after training
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on January 25, 2024, 09:14:14 AM
League starts Sunday,  nothing else but promotion has to be achieved
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on January 25, 2024, 01:37:32 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on January 24, 2024, 08:41:52 PMI would guess the football manager would have wanted a commitment from the team to fully focus on football so that liatriom could best realise their potential in the higher league and senior championship but they also have a strong hurling team with a potential to win something.....
More or less, had a meeting with the hurling manager who apparently was quite accommodating but he wasn't happy with the outcome so he walked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on January 25, 2024, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: Targetman on January 25, 2024, 01:37:32 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on January 24, 2024, 08:41:52 PMI would guess the football manager would have wanted a commitment from the team to fully focus on football so that liatriom could best realise their potential in the higher league and senior championship but they also have a strong hurling team with a potential to win something.....
More or less, had a meeting with the hurling manager who apparently was quite accommodating but he wasn't happy with the outcome so he walked.

I heard that a few dual players were not committing to football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on January 25, 2024, 04:53:00 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 25, 2024, 03:31:34 PM
Quote from: Targetman on January 25, 2024, 01:37:32 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on January 24, 2024, 08:41:52 PMI would guess the football manager would have wanted a commitment from the team to fully focus on football so that liatriom could best realise their potential in the higher league and senior championship but they also have a strong hurling team with a potential to win something.....
More or less, had a meeting with the hurling manager who apparently was quite accommodating but he wasn't happy with the outcome so he walked.

I heard that a few dual players were not committing to football.

I can't see how Monday night hurling would be much of a drain on the dual players and senior hurling only really kicks off in late August, September time..

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on January 25, 2024, 07:53:44 PM
Well done St Malachy's castlewellan on winning the Markey cup today. A Hard fought but deserved 2 point win over Strabane. There is some good talent on this team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on January 26, 2024, 05:45:14 PM
Hearing rumours that Stevie Poacher is in discussions with Liverpool.

Down GAA might have missed out on their man!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on January 26, 2024, 06:58:55 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on January 25, 2024, 07:53:44 PMWell done St Malachy's castlewellan on winning the Markey cup today. A Hard fought but deserved 2 point win over Strabane. There is some good talent on this team.

Was at this game and found it a great watch. Both teams had a cracking corner forward. Castlewellan just about edged it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 27, 2024, 09:47:22 AM
Thought Down PRO had got slightly better last season, most teams named by Friday evening, but back to the usual this year. Miles behind other county's in term of their social media. Must have zero intention in getting the younger generation in interested in the county teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 27, 2024, 10:59:02 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 27, 2024, 09:47:22 AMThought Down PRO had got slightly better last season, most teams named by Friday evening, but back to the usual this year. Miles behind other county's in term of their social media. Must have zero intention in getting the younger generation in interested in the county teams.

PRO team is a shambles and how they won an award a while back is beyond me.. but then they can only post what they are given/allowed to post. Laverty has the county board by the short and curlys and just does what he wants. Donnelly doing most correspondence in national papers, Morgan in local papers - will the REAL manager that is getting paid a bagful please stand up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 27, 2024, 12:23:38 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 27, 2024, 10:59:02 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 27, 2024, 09:47:22 AMThought Down PRO had got slightly better last season, most teams named by Friday evening, but back to the usual this year. Miles behind other county's in term of their social media. Must have zero intention in getting the younger generation in interested in the county teams.

PRO team is a shambles and how they won an award a while back is beyond me.. but then they can only post what they are given/allowed to post. Laverty has the county board by the short and curlys and just does what he wants. Donnelly doing most correspondence in national papers, Morgan in local papers - will the REAL manager that is getting paid a bagful please stand up.

They haven't posted anything in twitter on 3days, no promotion of the game on Sunday, no mention of St Mals winning or Knock reaching the final of their competition.. that's nothing to do with Laverty, its the PRO. embarrassing at this point.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on January 27, 2024, 03:20:28 PM
Team for Wicklow

John OHare

Peter Fegan
Pierce Laverty
Ryan McEvoy
Finn McElroy
Daniel Guinness
Paddy McCarthy

Odhran Murdock
Johnny Flynn

Ceilium Doherty
Liam Kerr
James Guinness
Gareth Mckibben
Pat Havern
Oisin Savage


Big year ahead, hopefully the lads can get promotion, for the development of the team we need to be playing against the better teams
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 27, 2024, 07:50:50 PM
We have 2 tough away games v Westmeath and Antrim. I was at both games in Newry last year and we were fortunate to pick up 2 points in both games.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 27, 2024, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 27, 2024, 10:59:02 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 27, 2024, 09:47:22 AMThought Down PRO had got slightly better last season, most teams named by Friday evening, but back to the usual this year. Miles behind other county's in term of their social media. Must have zero intention in getting the younger generation in interested in the county teams.

PRO team is a shambles and how they won an award a while back is beyond me.. but then they can only post what they are given/allowed to post. Laverty has the county board by the short and curlys and just does what he wants. Donnelly doing most correspondence in national papers, Morgan in local papers - will the REAL manager that is getting paid a bagful please stand up.

Some very needy people on here.

If soccer people can put up with cup final teams not being named until an hour before the game, surely to f**k nobody needs to see a pretend team for a GAA national league game, two days before throw in.

This is just needy nonsense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 28, 2024, 08:31:02 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 27, 2024, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 27, 2024, 10:59:02 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 27, 2024, 09:47:22 AMThought Down PRO had got slightly better last season, most teams named by Friday evening, but back to the usual this year. Miles behind other county's in term of their social media. Must have zero intention in getting the younger generation in interested in the county teams.

PRO team is a shambles and how they won an award a while back is beyond me.. but then they can only post what they are given/allowed to post. Laverty has the county board by the short and curlys and just does what he wants. Donnelly doing most correspondence in national papers, Morgan in local papers - will the REAL manager that is getting paid a bagful please stand up.

Some very needy people on here.

If soccer people can put up with cup final teams not being named until an hour before the game, surely to f**k nobody needs to see a pretend team for a GAA national league game, two days before throw in.

This is just needy nonsense.

lol they haven't even a link put to buy tickets for the game. There is little effort to promote the sport and the hurlers gets even less. Its a shambles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 28, 2024, 08:41:07 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 28, 2024, 08:31:02 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 27, 2024, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 27, 2024, 10:59:02 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 27, 2024, 09:47:22 AMThought Down PRO had got slightly better last season, most teams named by Friday evening, but back to the usual this year. Miles behind other county's in term of their social media. Must have zero intention in getting the younger generation in interested in the county teams.

PRO team is a shambles and how they won an award a while back is beyond me.. but then they can only post what they are given/allowed to post. Laverty has the county board by the short and curlys and just does what he wants. Donnelly doing most correspondence in national papers, Morgan in local papers - will the REAL manager that is getting paid a bagful please stand up.

Some very needy people on here.

If soccer people can put up with cup final teams not being named until an hour before the game, surely to f**k nobody needs to see a pretend team for a GAA national league game, two days before throw in.

This is just needy nonsense.

lol they haven't even a link put to buy tickets for the game. There is little effort to promote the sport and the hurlers gets even less. Its a shambles.
If you need the county board to provide you with a link to buy tickets then you wouldn't be travelling  to Aughrim anyway. Any regular knows where to get their ticket.
As for team announcements, does it matter when they come out? They never get in the programme anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 28, 2024, 08:52:59 AM
I can't remember the last time I bought a programme, they are a waste of time usually.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 28, 2024, 09:07:41 AM
Quote from: ardtole on January 28, 2024, 08:52:59 AMI can't remember the last time I bought a programme, they are a waste of time usually.
Yes. I would agree. You have the team on your phone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on January 28, 2024, 09:14:28 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 28, 2024, 08:31:02 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 27, 2024, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 27, 2024, 10:59:02 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 27, 2024, 09:47:22 AMThought Down PRO had got slightly better last season, most teams named by Friday evening, but back to the usual this year. Miles behind other county's in term of their social media. Must have zero intention in getting the younger generation in interested in the county teams.

PRO team is a shambles and how they won an award a while back is beyond me.. but then they can only post what they are given/allowed to post. Laverty has the county board by the short and curlys and just does what he wants. Donnelly doing most correspondence in national papers, Morgan in local papers - will the REAL manager that is getting paid a bagful please stand up.

Some very needy people on here.

If soccer people can put up with cup final teams not being named until an hour before the game, surely to f**k nobody needs to see a pretend team for a GAA national league game, two days before throw in.

This is just needy nonsense.

lol they haven't even a link put to buy tickets for the game. There is little effort to promote the sport and the hurlers gets even less. Its a shambles.

I think it's time you offered your services.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 28, 2024, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 28, 2024, 09:14:28 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 28, 2024, 08:31:02 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 27, 2024, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 27, 2024, 10:59:02 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 27, 2024, 09:47:22 AMThought Down PRO had got slightly better last season, most teams named by Friday evening, but back to the usual this year. Miles behind other county's in term of their social media. Must have zero intention in getting the younger generation in interested in the county teams.

PRO team is a shambles and how they won an award a while back is beyond me.. but then they can only post what they are given/allowed to post. Laverty has the county board by the short and curlys and just does what he wants. Donnelly doing most correspondence in national papers, Morgan in local papers - will the REAL manager that is getting paid a bagful please stand up.

Some very needy people on here.

If soccer people can put up with cup final teams not being named until an hour before the game, surely to f**k nobody needs to see a pretend team for a GAA national league game, two days before throw in.

This is just needy nonsense.

lol they haven't even a link put to buy tickets for the game. There is little effort to promote the sport and the hurlers gets even less. Its a shambles.

I think it's time you offered your services.

I already do it for my own club, no point in volunteering for something if your not going to do it properly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 28, 2024, 01:47:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 28, 2024, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 28, 2024, 09:14:28 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 28, 2024, 08:31:02 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 27, 2024, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 27, 2024, 10:59:02 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 27, 2024, 09:47:22 AMThought Down PRO had got slightly better last season, most teams named by Friday evening, but back to the usual this year. Miles behind other county's in term of their social media. Must have zero intention in getting the younger generation in interested in the county teams.

PRO team is a shambles and how they won an award a while back is beyond me.. but then they can only post what they are given/allowed to post. Laverty has the county board by the short and curlys and just does what he wants. Donnelly doing most correspondence in national papers, Morgan in local papers - will the REAL manager that is getting paid a bagful please stand up.

Some very needy people on here.

If soccer people can put up with cup final teams not being named until an hour before the game, surely to f**k nobody needs to see a pretend team for a GAA national league game, two days before throw in.

This is just needy nonsense.

lol they haven't even a link put to buy tickets for the game. There is little effort to promote the sport and the hurlers gets even less. Its a shambles.

I think it's time you offered your services.

I already do it for my own club, no point in volunteering for something if your not going to do it properly.

Complete nonsense. That makes no sense. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are victim of jumping on the 'County Board shambles' bandwagon that rolls around every time something no matter how small irks said contingent, rather than any rational informed opinion. No doubt they can only work with the information and timing provided. I would also add, for what possible reason would anyone need to see a team 48 hours before a game? Saturday announcement for Sunday game is and has been the norm. You also obviously don't know what the award was as it had nothing to do with anything digital or social media based so your bewilderment is misguided. How about get behind your county or offer some help instead of being a doom and gloom merchant before a ball is thrown in. I presume you were just leaving for Wicklow writing that post having managed to find a link for tickets.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on January 28, 2024, 03:55:35 PM
Quote from: supersub on January 28, 2024, 01:47:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 28, 2024, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 28, 2024, 09:14:28 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 28, 2024, 08:31:02 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 27, 2024, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 27, 2024, 10:59:02 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 27, 2024, 09:47:22 AMThought Down PRO had got slightly better last season, most teams named by Friday evening, but back to the usual this year. Miles behind other county's in term of their social media. Must have zero intention in getting the younger generation in interested in the county teams.

PRO team is a shambles and how they won an award a while back is beyond me.. but then they can only post what they are given/allowed to post. Laverty has the county board by the short and curlys and just does what he wants. Donnelly doing most correspondence in national papers, Morgan in local papers - will the REAL manager that is getting paid a bagful please stand up.

Some very needy people on here.

If soccer people can put up with cup final teams not being named until an hour before the game, surely to f**k nobody needs to see a pretend team for a GAA national league game, two days before throw in.

This is just needy nonsense.

lol they haven't even a link put to buy tickets for the game. There is little effort to promote the sport and the hurlers gets even less. Its a shambles.

I think it's time you offered your services.

I already do it for my own club, no point in volunteering for something if your not going to do it properly.

Complete nonsense. That makes no sense. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are victim of jumping on the 'County Board shambles' bandwagon that rolls around every time something no matter how small irks said contingent, rather than any rational informed opinion. No doubt they can only work with the information and timing provided. You also obviously don't know what the award was as it had nothing to do with anything digital or social media based so your bewilderment is misguided. How about get behind your county or offer some help instead of being a doom and gloom merchant before a ball is thrown in. I presume you were just leaving for Wicklow writing that post having managed to find a link
Quote from: supersub on January 28, 2024, 01:47:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 28, 2024, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 28, 2024, 09:14:28 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 28, 2024, 08:31:02 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 27, 2024, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 27, 2024, 10:59:02 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on January 27, 2024, 09:47:22 AMThought Down PRO had got slightly better last season, most teams named by Friday evening, but back to the usual this year. Miles behind other county's in term of their social media. Must have zero intention in getting the younger generation in interested in the county teams.

PRO team is a shambles and how they won an award a while back is beyond me.. but then they can only post what they are given/allowed to post. Laverty has the county board by the short and curlys and just does what he wants. Donnelly doing most correspondence in national papers, Morgan in local papers - will the REAL manager that is getting paid a bagful please stand up.

Some very needy people on here.

If soccer people can put up with cup final teams not being named until an hour before the game, surely to f**k nobody needs to see a pretend team for a GAA national league game, two days before throw in.

This is just needy nonsense.

lol they haven't even a link put to buy tickets for the game. There is little effort to promote the sport and the hurlers gets even less. Its a shambles.

I think it's time you offered your services.

I already do it for my own club, no point in volunteering for something if your not going to do it properly.

Complete nonsense. That makes no sense. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are victim of jumping on the 'County Board shambles' bandwagon that rolls around every time something no matter how small irks said contingent, rather than any rational informed opinion. No doubt they can only work with the information and timing provided. You also obviously don't know what the award was as it had nothing to do with anything digital or social media based so your bewilderment is misguided. How about get behind your county or offer some help instead of being a doom and gloom merchant before a ball is thrown in. I presume you were just leaving for Wicklow writing that post having managed to find a link for tickets.

Nope I was in Newry watching the ladies game as I have relative playing, followed the mens game from Wicklow twitter account...

Good way to start the campaign with a win no matter of opposition. Hopefully big turnout next Saturday in Newry.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 28, 2024, 07:47:32 PM
The county board MUST put the team forward on the Wednesday before the game - surely they should let us know at least 12 players that will take part in the game. Dublin, Mayo, Galway etc all do it in great time and have a buildup to the game. But that's not "the down way"
Great result today - hopefully build on it next week..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on January 28, 2024, 08:06:59 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 28, 2024, 07:47:32 PMThe county board MUST put the team forward on the Wednesday before the game - surely they should let us know at least 12 players that will take part in the game. Dublin, Mayo, Galway etc all do it in great time and have a buildup to the game. But that's not "the down way"
Great result today - hopefully build on it next week..

Here's the thing JB.

For years this kind of thing used to annoy me. How could they not know their team in advance? Why do they play silly buggers with line ups and positions? Why do they play silly buggers adding players to the squad from outside the 26/28? What are they so paranoid about revealing... as the oppositions's game plan will be focussed on Murdock, Kerr, Guinness? Etc.

But it's kind of dawned on me the past few years that in pretty much every changing room I've ever been in - up to semi final stages, when the team is usually settled bar injuries - that managers are literally changing their minds right up until the last minute. Some of it is to keep players on their toes, but most of it is about giving them as much time as possible to consider everything.

And that's at club football level... where the stakes aren't as high, the options are more limited, the travel times are minuscule in comparison.

Modern football is a den of overthinking. I could easily imagine conversations with selectors ongoing until an hour before throw-in.

So when I bear all that in mind, it just no longer bothers me that a team isn't named in advance. I'd honestly prefer that over a "dud" team.

Especially for R1 of the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on January 28, 2024, 10:02:14 PM


Here's the thing JB.

For years this kind of thing used to annoy me. How could they not know their team in advance? Why do they play silly buggers with line ups and positions? Why do they play silly buggers adding players to the squad from outside the 26/28? What are they so paranoid about revealing... as the oppositions's game plan will be focussed on Murdock, Kerr, Guinness? Etc.

But it's kind of dawned on me the past few years that in pretty much every changing room I've ever been in - up to semi final stages, when the team is usually settled bar injuries - that managers are literally changing their minds right up until the last minute. Some of it is to keep players on their toes, but most of it is about giving them as much time as possible to consider everything.

And that's at club football level... where the stakes aren't as high, the options are more limited, the travel times are minuscule in comparison.

Modern football is a den of overthinking. I could easily imagine conversations with selectors ongoing until an hour before throw-in.

So when I bear all that in mind, it just no longer bothers me that a team isn't named in advance. I'd honestly prefer that over a "dud" team.

Especially for R1 of the league.
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I'm going to try really hard to take this guidance on board and not get frustrated with lack of team information... I'm dreading Thursday already though as that's when it usually dawns on me that we have nothing online again..
but I'm going to try Wob
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on January 28, 2024, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on January 28, 2024, 10:02:14 PMHere's the thing JB.

For years this kind of thing used to annoy me. How could they not know their team in advance? Why do they play silly buggers with line ups and positions? Why do they play silly buggers adding players to the squad from outside the 26/28? What are they so paranoid about revealing... as the oppositions's game plan will be focussed on Murdock, Kerr, Guinness? Etc.

But it's kind of dawned on me the past few years that in pretty much every changing room I've ever been in - up to semi final stages, when the team is usually settled bar injuries - that managers are literally changing their minds right up until the last minute. Some of it is to keep players on their toes, but most of it is about giving them as much time as possible to consider everything.

And that's at club football level... where the stakes aren't as high, the options are more limited, the travel times are minuscule in comparison.

Modern football is a den of overthinking. I could easily imagine conversations with selectors ongoing until an hour before throw-in.

So when I bear all that in mind, it just no longer bothers me that a team isn't named in advance. I'd honestly prefer that over a "dud" team.

Especially for R1 of the league.

I'm going to try really hard to take this guidance on board and not get frustrated with lack of team information... I'm dreading Thursday already though as that's when it usually dawns on me that we have nothing online again..
but I'm going to try Wob
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Nothing online again? Almost every football team for the last 3 years has been published in all competitions in advance of the game. You are clutching at straws. For a Sunday game, you want the team published on a Thursday night? You are mad in the head. The players wouldn't even know the team at that stage, regardless of what paperwork has to go where on a Wednesday. The faux outrage knows no bounds.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on January 29, 2024, 06:42:05 AM
Poor performance yesterday, Wicklow had 3 very good goal opportunities in the 1st half against the wind, and 1 in the 2nd half.

With O'Hare coming out to the half way line on the opposing kick outs, I'm not sure the benefits outweigh the potential negatives, a better team than Wicklow would have punished Down heavily yesterday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on January 29, 2024, 08:06:27 AM
I think 'poor' is harsh. Down led from start to finish, 8 points up and a late rally when game was over made it look respectable. Poor conditions on a terrible pitch is a leveler, but Down always looked the better teams. And goal chances came from a couple of individual mistakes from Down players. O'Hare wasnt caught out on any wicklow so dont see the issue of pushing up at the moment. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on January 29, 2024, 11:27:19 AM
Quote from: ardtole on January 29, 2024, 06:42:05 AMPoor performance yesterday, Wicklow had 3 very good goal opportunities in the 1st half against the wind, and 1 in the 2nd half.

With O'Hare coming out to the half way line on the opposing kick outs, I'm not sure the benefits outweigh the potential negatives, a better team than Wicklow would have punished Down heavily yesterday.
I would agree. An Antrim or Westmeath would prob have got a couple of goals yesterday from those mistakes.  Poor conditions. Poor game. Down were poor in 1st half. Much better in 3rd quarter.  Good to get the 2 points. Tidy little stand in Aughrim. Awkward enough place to get to. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 02, 2024, 10:19:45 AM
John Devine is in as senior football goalkeeping coach.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: general on February 02, 2024, 12:00:22 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 02, 2024, 10:19:45 AMJohn Devine is in as senior football goalkeeping coach.

He's been taken in as over all defence coach - including the GK's - doing alot of work on defensive movement

laverty tried to get him in last year however he didnt want to leave tullysaran in the lurch. he was over them 2 years as manager
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 02, 2024, 06:05:21 PM
Strong lineup for tomorrow night. 2 points a must.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on February 03, 2024, 10:38:26 PM
Good win for the footballers. Definitely going in the right direction.

How did Anderson get on when he came on?

Antrim in Belfast should be a good match, and good to see the lay of the land now before Ulster Championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on February 03, 2024, 10:59:58 PM
Tough game for the hurlers tomorrow to start their league campaign.

Portlaoise diffcult place to go to, even for Division One sides like Waterford and Dublin, as we well found out last year in the McDonagh Cup.

Down have a real chance of getting to Division One this year, but have to play better than they did last year.

Some serious hurlers in Laois, but they really don't look like the same team that they were 3-5 years ago. Definitely come back down closer to the level of us/Kerry.


Down missing some serious players. No Sheehan. No Doran. No McCusker. Good to see a few lads back (Donal Hughes should be a great addition all being well, the Sands, too), and plenty of good fellas to make the break through yet.

Hopefully we can stay neck and neck with Laois for most of the game at the very least. Would be good to know we're there or there abouts, and would be terrible to start the year with our backs against the wall.

I think it's well worth remembering, I think last year, the consensus was that it was a very poor year, despite us retaining Division 2A status for the third year in a row. For a long time, we couldn't get out of 2B. That surely says something for the progress of our hurlers.

Hopefully it's onward and upwards  :P


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 04, 2024, 07:56:27 AM
Good win over Limerick. First 5 mins were a slight worry. Limerick should've been 1.03 or more ahead beofre Down scored. The defence would be a bit of a concern the way they started last night going into the Antrim game. Playing with a sweeper keeper will take time to get used too. O Hare didn't really have much to do last night after the 1st 5 mins. Down just tore through Limerick and could've had a couple more goals. Limerick resulted to dragging runners down in 2nd half and the ref was a bit too whistle happy all game. But good performance. The scoring is much improved on last season. Antrim will be a tougher test though. If we can win in Belfast it's a big boost for promotion. Great to see all the kids out on pitch at ht and ft compared to none in Aughrim last week. Good to see Mooney get 35 mins it will stick to him come later games in league and championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on February 04, 2024, 09:05:10 AM
Antrim should have beat us in Newry last year so they wont fear Down. Our boys would need to be on it for this game.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 04, 2024, 08:42:04 PM
What a display last night. Pace/power and finishing of the highest order.. 3 more wins should secure a league final berth and promotion..
Murdock is simply awesome and we still have players to come back in that will make our match day squad a whole lot stronger..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on February 05, 2024, 01:22:48 PM
Good all round performance after a shaky start. this sunday will show what progress has been made , antrim should have won in newry last year so to go and beat them in belfast this year would be a step forward
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on February 05, 2024, 02:39:55 PM
Real solid performance Saturday evening. Controlled and exciting moving forward. Defence organized themselves after a poor first 5 minutes. Be interesting to see what team is picked for Antrim. Thought everyone performed well and was a nice balance to the team. Great to see Mooney and Annett back, be some additions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on February 05, 2024, 08:48:18 PM
I thought Down were poor on Sat night. Strange to say after they've won a game by over 15 points but aside from a few purple patches, one in the first half when they hit the 3 Goals down were wasteful. Too many turnovers. Didn't win enough primary possession. They rely on pace from the wings but that didn't work against Meath last year and when teams squeeze up and go physical we are left looking 2nd best. Apart from Murdock and maybe Mcevoy we don't have the power to compete against the top teams. Antrim and westmeath games will likely decide the promotion chances.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 05, 2024, 09:47:08 PM
I'd love to see McEvoy and Murdock in midfield together, I think they would compliment each other well.

Laverty, Fagan, McCarthy, Docherty, McElroy and a few others can provide cover in the full back line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on February 05, 2024, 10:21:13 PM
What's happening with the bkinlar project? Down miles behind other counties in ulster facilities wise.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 06, 2024, 08:19:08 AM
Quote from: Lloyd p on February 05, 2024, 10:21:13 PMWhat's happening with the bkinlar project? Down miles behind other counties in ulster facilities wise.

Applying for grants left, right and centre.

Got knocked back there 6 months or so ago for some big grant.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 06, 2024, 08:26:00 AM
Quote from: Splash on February 03, 2024, 10:59:58 PMTough game for the hurlers tomorrow to start their league campaign.

Portlaoise diffcult place to go to, even for Division One sides like Waterford and Dublin, as we well found out last year in the McDonagh Cup.

Down have a real chance of getting to Division One this year, but have to play better than they did last year.

Some serious hurlers in Laois, but they really don't look like the same team that they were 3-5 years ago. Definitely come back down closer to the level of us/Kerry.


Down missing some serious players. No Sheehan. No Doran. No McCusker. Good to see a few lads back (Donal Hughes should be a great addition all being well, the Sands, too), and plenty of good fellas to make the break through yet.

Hopefully we can stay neck and neck with Laois for most of the game at the very least. Would be good to know we're there or there abouts, and would be terrible to start the year with our backs against the wall.

I think it's well worth remembering, I think last year, the consensus was that it was a very poor year, despite us retaining Division 2A status for the third year in a row. For a long time, we couldn't get out of 2B. That surely says something for the progress of our hurlers.

Hopefully it's onward and upwards  :P



I wasn't at the game but was speaking to a few lads who were at it last night and by all accounts we were well in the game with 10 minutes to go with the scoreline being level pegging then the wheels came off with a few injuries to key players, Eoghan Sands and Turpin, both with hand injuries (and will miss the Kerry game) as well as Matt Conlon going off with a cut to the head. Replaces just a bit of that level.
It wasn't helped by our clubman getting a straight red for one of his trademark stupid tackles with no need for it.

Kerry game is a must win now with how the other results going against us, especially with Meath picking up an unexpected win against Kildare.

Laois and Carlow expected to top the group, so it's a dog fight between the other 4 to avoid relegation.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 08, 2024, 10:55:00 AM
I've heard that the LGFA sent out a fixture plan without consultation with other codes which has sparked criticism. Is it just me, or does the LGFA enjoy arguments and making strange decisions?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on February 08, 2024, 11:31:29 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 08, 2024, 10:55:00 AMI've heard that the LGFA sent out a fixture plan without consultation with other codes which has sparked criticism. Is it just me, or does the LGFA enjoy arguments and making strange decisions?

Why would they worry/care about other codes??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 08, 2024, 10:55:00 AMI've heard that the LGFA sent out a fixture plan without consultation with other codes which has sparked criticism. Is it just me, or does the LGFA enjoy arguments and making strange decisions?

Did the county board consult with the LGFA prior to announcing the dates for the ACFL/ACHL and championships this year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 08, 2024, 10:55:00 AMI've heard that the LGFA sent out a fixture plan without consultation with other codes which has sparked criticism. Is it just me, or does the LGFA enjoy arguments and making strange decisions?

Did the county board consult with the LGFA prior to announcing the dates for the ACFL/ACHL and championships this year?

Open communications should always be practiced.

But let's be realistic here. One association owns about 95% of Gaelic Games fields in Down. The other owns 0%.

There is a remarkably different onus on the group with 0% to consult with others before publishing any fixtures.

To think otherwise is wanton and unhelpful mucksavagery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 12:55:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 08, 2024, 10:55:00 AMI've heard that the LGFA sent out a fixture plan without consultation with other codes which has sparked criticism. Is it just me, or does the LGFA enjoy arguments and making strange decisions?

Did the county board consult with the LGFA prior to announcing the dates for the ACFL/ACHL and championships this year?

Open communications should always be practiced.

But let's be realistic here. One association owns about 95% of Gaelic Games fields in Down. The other owns 0%.

There is a remarkably different onus on the group with 0% to consult with others before publishing any fixtures.

To think otherwise is wanton and unhelpful mucksavagery.


Quite the hyperbole there. Hopefully the LGFA in future remember to get the go ahead from the county board before organising their own games, can't be allowed to potentially impact the attendances and gate receipts of the vastly more important men's games.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 08, 2024, 02:08:38 PM
That attitude will get you a job on the ladies' county executive. There are dual players, pitch issues, and referees to sort. It's very easy to talk. Very easy. Some people enjoy getting into arguments.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 12:55:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 08, 2024, 10:55:00 AMI've heard that the LGFA sent out a fixture plan without consultation with other codes which has sparked criticism. Is it just me, or does the LGFA enjoy arguments and making strange decisions?

Did the county board consult with the LGFA prior to announcing the dates for the ACFL/ACHL and championships this year?

Open communications should always be practiced.

But let's be realistic here. One association owns about 95% of Gaelic Games fields in Down. The other owns 0%.

There is a remarkably different onus on the group with 0% to consult with others before publishing any fixtures.

To think otherwise is wanton and unhelpful mucksavagery.


Quite the hyperbole there. Hopefully the LGFA in future remember to get the go ahead from the county board before organising their own games, can't be allowed to potentially impact the attendances and gate receipts of the vastly more important men's games.

The bit about LGFA not owning any facilities to host their games, it just seems to fly over your head.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 04:32:00 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 12:55:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 08, 2024, 10:55:00 AMI've heard that the LGFA sent out a fixture plan without consultation with other codes which has sparked criticism. Is it just me, or does the LGFA enjoy arguments and making strange decisions?

Did the county board consult with the LGFA prior to announcing the dates for the ACFL/ACHL and championships this year?

Open communications should always be practiced.

But let's be realistic here. One association owns about 95% of Gaelic Games fields in Down. The other owns 0%.

There is a remarkably different onus on the group with 0% to consult with others before publishing any fixtures.

To think otherwise is wanton and unhelpful mucksavagery.


Quite the hyperbole there. Hopefully the LGFA in future remember to get the go ahead from the county board before organising their own games, can't be allowed to potentially impact the attendances and gate receipts of the vastly more important men's games.

The bit about LGFA not owning any facilities to host their games, it just seems to fly over your head.

The bit about clubs working together internally to develop plans on use of their facilities seems to fly over your head. Perhaps your club is divided in this regard.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 08, 2024, 05:09:17 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 04:32:00 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 12:55:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 08, 2024, 10:55:00 AMI've heard that the LGFA sent out a fixture plan without consultation with other codes which has sparked criticism. Is it just me, or does the LGFA enjoy arguments and making strange decisions?

Did the county board consult with the LGFA prior to announcing the dates for the ACFL/ACHL and championships this year?

Open communications should always be practiced.

But let's be realistic here. One association owns about 95% of Gaelic Games fields in Down. The other owns 0%.

There is a remarkably different onus on the group with 0% to consult with others before publishing any fixtures.

To think otherwise is wanton and unhelpful mucksavagery.


Quite the hyperbole there. Hopefully the LGFA in future remember to get the go ahead from the county board before organising their own games, can't be allowed to potentially impact the attendances and gate receipts of the vastly more important men's games.

The bit about LGFA not owning any facilities to host their games, it just seems to fly over your head.

The bit about clubs working together internally to develop plans on use of their facilities seems to fly over your head. Perhaps your club is divided in this regard.

Equal time on pitches is something I support wholeheartedly, but the Ladies Association's attitude towards other codes is shocking. It's even worse than Hurling snobs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 05:24:19 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 04:32:00 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 12:55:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 08, 2024, 10:55:00 AMI've heard that the LGFA sent out a fixture plan without consultation with other codes which has sparked criticism. Is it just me, or does the LGFA enjoy arguments and making strange decisions?

Did the county board consult with the LGFA prior to announcing the dates for the ACFL/ACHL and championships this year?

Open communications should always be practiced.

But let's be realistic here. One association owns about 95% of Gaelic Games fields in Down. The other owns 0%.

There is a remarkably different onus on the group with 0% to consult with others before publishing any fixtures.

To think otherwise is wanton and unhelpful mucksavagery.


Quite the hyperbole there. Hopefully the LGFA in future remember to get the go ahead from the county board before organising their own games, can't be allowed to potentially impact the attendances and gate receipts of the vastly more important men's games.

The bit about LGFA not owning any facilities to host their games, it just seems to fly over your head.

The bit about clubs working together internally to develop plans on use of their facilities seems to fly over your head. Perhaps your club is divided in this regard.

No it's not divided at all.

The thing is.

When a child grows into an an adult, and wishes to continue living under their parents' roof, then it's in everyone's interests to communicate properly about needs and give each other enough room to be happy.

But if the child isn't interested in that conversation, and instead thinks its acceptable to invite  a pile of friends around to takeover the shared spaces on a regular basis, which impacts on their parent's normal habits, then things aren't going to work out. They just aren't.

And if a parent was to ask them to be more reasonable, that does not make the parent in the wrong. It's their house. They paid for it, pay for the bills, and it was built to meet their needs.

LGFA are the child in this parable, in case you're unsure.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 07:04:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 05:24:19 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 04:32:00 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 12:55:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 08, 2024, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 08, 2024, 10:55:00 AMI've heard that the LGFA sent out a fixture plan without consultation with other codes which has sparked criticism. Is it just me, or does the LGFA enjoy arguments and making strange decisions?

Did the county board consult with the LGFA prior to announcing the dates for the ACFL/ACHL and championships this year?

Open communications should always be practiced.

But let's be realistic here. One association owns about 95% of Gaelic Games fields in Down. The other owns 0%.

There is a remarkably different onus on the group with 0% to consult with others before publishing any fixtures.

To think otherwise is wanton and unhelpful mucksavagery.


Quite the hyperbole there. Hopefully the LGFA in future remember to get the go ahead from the county board before organising their own games, can't be allowed to potentially impact the attendances and gate receipts of the vastly more important men's games.

The bit about LGFA not owning any facilities to host their games, it just seems to fly over your head.

The bit about clubs working together internally to develop plans on use of their facilities seems to fly over your head. Perhaps your club is divided in this regard.

No it's not divided at all.

The thing is.

When a child grows into an an adult, and wishes to continue living under their parents' roof, then it's in everyone's interests to communicate properly about needs and give each other enough room to be happy.

But if the child isn't interested in that conversation, and instead thinks its acceptable to invite  a pile of friends around to takeover the shared spaces on a regular basis, which impacts on their parent's normal habits, then things aren't going to work out. They just aren't.

And if a parent was to ask them to be more reasonable, that does not make the parent in the wrong. It's their house. They paid for it, pay for the bills, and it was built to meet their needs.

LGFA are the child in this parable, in case you're unsure.



A fantastic parable there, a very eloquent way to display your disdain for the women's game. It's brilliant to suggest that none of the women currently of the LGFA have ever contributed to their clubs before. Spectacular effort, very well done.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 07:11:13 PM
Disdain?

Couldn't be further from the truth. I've nothing but pride in my club mates who have developed an lGFA club in Ballyholland over the past two years. My daughters are both playing and loving it, and I really enjoy watching the sport.

But the reality is that until our club expands its facilities, then the onus has to be on LGFA to slot in and the GAA club to accommodate wherever possible. Not the other way around. This is just a blunt reality. Ignore these things if you want, but doing so won't help anyone.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 08, 2024, 08:35:13 PM
I'm a bit lost here with all this... what have the LGFA done???
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on February 08, 2024, 09:36:54 PM
Looks as if the sport of working together to accommodate camogie has been ignored by the LGFA in down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: meatsy86 on February 09, 2024, 07:27:44 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 08, 2024, 10:55:00 AMI've heard that the LGFA sent out a fixture plan without consultation with other codes which has sparked criticism. Is it just me, or does the LGFA enjoy arguments and making strange decisions?

One name here Francis Rogan. Loves to wind people up.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 09, 2024, 09:34:46 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on February 08, 2024, 09:36:54 PMLooks as if the sport of working together to accommodate camogie has been ignored by the LGFA in down.

Don't worry about the Camogie board as there's times I despair that they don't even want to facilitate camogie themselves...

They've a rule that anyone who played senior championship (even a minute as a blood sub) cannot play reserve camogie the following year and that's with a round robin camogie championship...



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownGael71 on February 09, 2024, 10:00:29 AM
The GAA doesn't own facilities, clubs do and the members of those clubs. The same members that put blood, sweat and tears into running them too!  As far as I'm aware, but maybe someone more in the know could say different, Down GAA didn't consult either associations about their changes to the fixtures calendar. 
As for the LGFA, from looking at the proposed change following the meeting with Camogs, it's only a small change by the looks of it and shows willingness to accommodate Camogs.
From what I know, all 3 codes meeting has always happened but the issue comes from what happens after they leave those meetings and who has the integrity to uphold what's discussed and agreed. 
Biggest problem I see with the master fixtures is the exponential growth of ladies football in Down and how that gets scheduled into a 7 day week alongside GAA and Camogie.  It's a nice problem for the Gaels of Down to have! 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownGael71 on February 09, 2024, 10:10:53 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 07:11:13 PMDisdain?

Couldn't be further from the truth. I've nothing but pride in my club mates who have developed an lGFA club in Ballyholland over the past two years. My daughters are both playing and loving it, and I really enjoy watching the sport.

But the reality is that until our club expands its facilities, then the onus has to be on LGFA to slot in and the GAA club to accommodate wherever possible. Not the other way around. This is just a blunt reality. Ignore these things if you want, but doing so won't help anyone.

Sounds like GAA clubs could be a match for the DUP and their attitude to the nationalist community.  You can come to the table but don't expect to be our equal you pesky woman, this is ours!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on February 09, 2024, 10:52:17 AM
the Gaa own all club facilities so far as i know . Deeds rest in croke park . a club cannot get a loan without croke parks say so . clubs are only custodians . not saying its right btw but legally i think its the case
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 09, 2024, 11:23:17 AM
Quote from: DownGael71 on February 09, 2024, 10:10:53 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 07:11:13 PMDisdain?

Couldn't be further from the truth. I've nothing but pride in my club mates who have developed an lGFA club in Ballyholland over the past two years. My daughters are both playing and loving it, and I really enjoy watching the sport.

But the reality is that until our club expands its facilities, then the onus has to be on LGFA to slot in and the GAA club to accommodate wherever possible. Not the other way around. This is just a blunt reality. Ignore these things if you want, but doing so won't help anyone.

Sounds like GAA clubs could be a match for the DUP and their attitude to the nationalist community.  You can come to the table but don't expect to be our equal you pesky woman, this is ours!

Honestly this kind of commentary is bewildering and unhelpful.

If you don't believe here's a logistical challenge in integrating another sport - one which runs on the same annual schedule, uses the same referees, and is every bit as vested into youth development - into an existing pool of oversubscribed facilities, then any conversation is pointless.

If you can accept that this situation poses a logistical challenge, but would prefer to stick your head in the sand and hope it all works out, then this conversation is pointless.

But most of all, if you are going to always react to any attempts by the GAA to put some order onto proceedings, as a show of misogyny, then you're just being obstructive.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownGael71 on February 09, 2024, 11:26:40 AM
My understanding is Clubs own the property and as a GAA Unit the GAA are either part or full Trustee on the facilities which is why they need to approve loans etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownGael71 on February 09, 2024, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 09, 2024, 11:23:17 AM
Quote from: DownGael71 on February 09, 2024, 10:10:53 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 08, 2024, 07:11:13 PMDisdain?

Couldn't be further from the truth. I've nothing but pride in my club mates who have developed an lGFA club in Ballyholland over the past two years. My daughters are both playing and loving it, and I really enjoy watching the sport.

But the reality is that until our club expands its facilities, then the onus has to be on LGFA to slot in and the GAA club to accommodate wherever possible. Not the other way around. This is just a blunt reality. Ignore these things if you want, but doing so won't help anyone.

Sounds like GAA clubs could be a match for the DUP and their attitude to the nationalist community.  You can come to the table but don't expect to be our equal you pesky woman, this is ours!

Honestly this kind of commentary is bewildering and unhelpful.

If you don't believe here's a logistical challenge in integrating another sport - one which runs on the same annual schedule, uses the same referees, and is every bit as vested into youth development - into an existing pool of oversubscribed facilities, then any conversation is pointless.

If you can accept that this situation poses a logistical challenge, but would prefer to stick your head in the sand and hope it all works out, then this conversation is pointless.

But most of all, if you are going to always react to any attempts by the GAA to put some order onto proceedings, as a show of misogyny, then you're just being obstructive.




I think using words like 'slot in' shows a total disregard to partnership, inclusion and integration in general.  I did not react to any attempts by the GAA to put order into proceedings.  In fact, I haven't seen any attempts to be able to comment!  But, I reacted to the suggestion Clubs expect other codes to just slot in. 
There are massive challenges to integration but in order to achieve it, it takes everyone involved to be willing participants, listen, adjust, compromise, invest, be creative, be respectful and be open to change.  And no, I don't mean the GAA, I mean all codes from national level to Clubs. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ClubScene13 on February 09, 2024, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on February 05, 2024, 02:39:55 PMReal solid performance Saturday evening. Controlled and exciting moving forward. Defence organized themselves after a poor first 5 minutes. Be interesting to see what team is picked for Antrim. Thought everyone performed well and was a nice balance to the team. Great to see Mooney and Annett back, be some additions.

MacRory cup final week had me thinking of Mooney the other day, the best schools player I've ever seen. That's a brave statement but I haven't seen such a combination of size, skill, pace and power out of a 17/18 yo since. Done it for 2 years as well.

Marty Clarke taking Kilkeel to back to back finals would also be at the very top of that discussion
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 09, 2024, 01:29:52 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 08, 2024, 08:35:13 PMI'm a bit lost here with all this... what have the LGFA done???

What I have heard is that the camogie and LGFA boards got together to decide when to schedule games. After a deal was reached, the county ladies' secretary reneged and sent out fixtures that were all over the place. The LGFA were forced to revert to their previous timeslots due to the outcry it provoked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on February 09, 2024, 01:38:49 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 09, 2024, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on February 05, 2024, 02:39:55 PMReal solid performance Saturday evening. Controlled and exciting moving forward. Defence organized themselves after a poor first 5 minutes. Be interesting to see what team is picked for Antrim. Thought everyone performed well and was a nice balance to the team. Great to see Mooney and Annett back, be some additions.

MacRory cup final week had me thinking of Mooney the other day, the best schools player I've ever seen. That's a brave statement but I haven't seen such a combination of size, skill, pace and power out of a 17/18 yo since. Done it for 2 years as well.

Marty Clarke taking Kilkeel to back to back finals would also be at the very top of that discussion
You must be too young to remember James Mc Cartan playing Mac Rory
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 09, 2024, 01:58:30 PM
Quote from: Targetman on February 09, 2024, 01:38:49 PM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 09, 2024, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on February 05, 2024, 02:39:55 PMReal solid performance Saturday evening. Controlled and exciting moving forward. Defence organized themselves after a poor first 5 minutes. Be interesting to see what team is picked for Antrim. Thought everyone performed well and was a nice balance to the team. Great to see Mooney and Annett back, be some additions.

MacRory cup final week had me thinking of Mooney the other day, the best schools player I've ever seen. That's a brave statement but I haven't seen such a combination of size, skill, pace and power out of a 17/18 yo since. Done it for 2 years as well.

Marty Clarke taking Kilkeel to back to back finals would also be at the very top of that discussion
You must be too young to remember James Mc Cartan playing Mac Rory
Yea Marty was a freak. Not physically imposing but he could do things with the ball that experienced players could only dream of. The lad was playing county minor, county u21 and macrory football as a lower 6th in school.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on February 10, 2024, 12:07:03 AM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 09, 2024, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on February 05, 2024, 02:39:55 PMReal solid performance Saturday evening. Controlled and exciting moving forward. Defence organized themselves after a poor first 5 minutes. Be interesting to see what team is picked for Antrim. Thought everyone performed well and was a nice balance to the team. Great to see Mooney and Annett back, be some additions.

MacRory cup final week had me thinking of Mooney the other day, the best schools player I've ever seen. That's a brave statement but I haven't seen such a combination of size, skill, pace and power out of a 17/18 yo since. Done it for 2 years as well.

Marty Clarke taking Kilkeel to back to back finals would also be at the very top of that discussion
I thought that Clarke was the greatest macrory player I ever saw absolutely sensational.Year abbey beat them and won Hogan Kevin Dyas marked him and got a headlight, he was outstanding for abbey in their other games.was really unfortunate his career was cut short by injury.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on February 10, 2024, 12:08:47 AM
Quote from: statto on February 10, 2024, 12:07:03 AM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 09, 2024, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on February 05, 2024, 02:39:55 PMReal solid performance Saturday evening. Controlled and exciting moving forward. Defence organized themselves after a poor first 5 minutes. Be interesting to see what team is picked for Antrim. Thought everyone performed well and was a nice balance to the team. Great to see Mooney and Annett back, be some additions.

MacRory cup final week had me thinking of Mooney the other day, the best schools player I've ever seen. That's a brave statement but I haven't seen such a combination of size, skill, pace and power out of a 17/18 yo since. Done it for 2 years as well.

Marty Clarke taking Kilkeel to back to back finals would also be at the very top of that discussion
I thought that Clarke was the greatest macrory player I ever saw absolutely sensational.Year abbey beat them and won Hogan Kevin Dyas marked him and got a headlight, he was outstanding for abbey in their other games.was really unfortunate his career was cut short by injury.I think he scored 18 points one day for kilkeel in Herald cup  at fifth year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 10, 2024, 09:42:28 AM
Quote from: statto on February 10, 2024, 12:08:47 AM
Quote from: statto on February 10, 2024, 12:07:03 AM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on February 09, 2024, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on February 05, 2024, 02:39:55 PMReal solid performance Saturday evening. Controlled and exciting moving forward. Defence organized themselves after a poor first 5 minutes. Be interesting to see what team is picked for Antrim. Thought everyone performed well and was a nice balance to the team. Great to see Mooney and Annett back, be some additions.

MacRory cup final week had me thinking of Mooney the other day, the best schools player I've ever seen. That's a brave statement but I haven't seen such a combination of size, skill, pace and power out of a 17/18 yo since. Done it for 2 years as well.

Marty Clarke taking Kilkeel to back to back finals would also be at the very top of that discussion
I thought that Clarke was the greatest macrory player I ever saw absolutely sensational.Year abbey beat them and won Hogan Kevin Dyas marked him and got a headlight, he was outstanding for abbey in their other games.was really unfortunate his career was cut short by injury.I think he scored 18 points one day for kilkeel in Herald cup  at fifth year.
He scored 1.16 out of Kilkeels 1.18 score in their treanor cup win. Then scored 7 out of their 1.9 in herald cup win
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 10, 2024, 10:33:48 AM
Martin Clarke and Michael Murphy must be the two best MacRory/schools players there have been for a long time. Their longevity and performances in the competitions were sublime.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on February 10, 2024, 12:31:11 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 06, 2024, 08:26:00 AM
Quote from: Splash on February 03, 2024, 10:59:58 PMTough game for the hurlers tomorrow to start their league campaign.

Portlaoise diffcult place to go to, even for Division One sides like Waterford and Dublin, as we well found out last year in the McDonagh Cup.

Down have a real chance of getting to Division One this year, but have to play better than they did last year.

Some serious hurlers in Laois, but they really don't look like the same team that they were 3-5 years ago. Definitely come back down closer to the level of us/Kerry.


Down missing some serious players. No Sheehan. No Doran. No McCusker. Good to see a few lads back (Donal Hughes should be a great addition all being well, the Sands, too), and plenty of good fellas to make the break through yet.

Hopefully we can stay neck and neck with Laois for most of the game at the very least. Would be good to know we're there or there abouts, and would be terrible to start the year with our backs against the wall.

I think it's well worth remembering, I think last year, the consensus was that it was a very poor year, despite us retaining Division 2A status for the third year in a row. For a long time, we couldn't get out of 2B. That surely says something for the progress of our hurlers.

Hopefully it's onward and upwards  :P



I wasn't at the game but was speaking to a few lads who were at it last night and by all accounts we were well in the game with 10 minutes to go with the scoreline being level pegging then the wheels came off with a few injuries to key players, Eoghan Sands and Turpin, both with hand injuries (and will miss the Kerry game) as well as Matt Conlon going off with a cut to the head. Replaces just a bit of that level.
It wasn't helped by our clubman getting a straight red for one of his trademark stupid tackles with no need for it.

Kerry game is a must win now with how the other results going against us, especially with Meath picking up an unexpected win against Kildare.

Laois and Carlow expected to top the group, so it's a dog fight between the other 4 to avoid relegation.




Were very much within touching distance until the last few minutes, with Laois' goal just keeping them ahead.

Around the time of Fisher's sending off Laois managed to find their feet and see it out (that is not to say Fisher's red cost Down the game, as Laois had a player sent off a couple of moments before, and probably restored something of a level playing field. As you say though, it didn't help, and it is important that Down maintain good discipline this year).

Disappointing not to come away with any points, but I am encouraged by the result. Compare it to the last time we went down to Laois. Massive improvement. I'd expect us to be fit to rattle any team we may meet this year, and hopefully take an odd scalp against someone a bit further up the pecking order.

Looking forward to the Kerry game today. I find Kerry to typically be the team most consistently at our level.

Despite ultimately suffering the same fate last week, I'd much rather be in our position than Kerry's. Far more encouraging performance from Down than Kerry last week. Kerry team also look to be weaker than normal (Shane Conway being the obvious big blow for them).

Last time we met, was very disappointing from a Down perspective. Shocking amount of wides if I recall correctly. If Down can convert their chances today, it should be a lot more competitive than last years Joe McDonagh meeting.

Good to have Tom McGrattan back today, and thought Tim Prenter played well last week, so the scoring potential is there. Ruairi McCrickard back today is another big plus.

With Meath beating Kildare, I think it opens up the division a bit more. Would want to be very wary of both teams, and have suffered disappointing losses to both in recent years,  but Down are certainly well fit to beat either. And based off of Laois' performance last week, it's not out of the realms of possibility someone gets a shock win and opens up the whole thing further. Exciting times in Div 2 , eh?

Anyway, it is up to Down to secure the best outcome for themselves. Hopefully get some points on the board today and beat a Munster side.

BBC providing coverage of the game on the iPlayer is good to see. Was it Cusack or Daly last week on the Sunday Game made a good point about how counties such as ourselves in these tiers need exposure in order for people to develop an interest in a team? Now, I know, I know, who watches the BBC iPlayer and all that- but it's nice to see the BBC offering some sort of coverage for a Down hurling game, particularly given the poor coverage the leagues get in general. Wasn't expecting it at all. Any BBC coverage of GAA is welcome in my opinion, and a sign of the times.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Saffrongael on February 10, 2024, 03:40:30 PM
Checked for updates on this game on Downs Twitter, no mention of it. Really poor form
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on February 10, 2024, 04:12:25 PM
That's a great win for down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 10, 2024, 05:41:43 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 10, 2024, 03:40:30 PMChecked for updates on this game on Downs Twitter, no mention of it. Really poor form

Check Facebook for information on the reason.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 10, 2024, 08:45:15 PM
I've been around a long time and I don't think I've ever seen a player as exciting to watch - at any level -  as Wee James in his peak years, some of which included his multi-year MacRory stint.

Marty Clarke was perhaps a better player. But rough and all as it sounds, I don't believe anyone should be considered the best (Down) MacRory player of all time unless they actually lifted the farkin thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 10, 2024, 08:50:23 PM
In fairness there is a massive difference in winning the McCrory with the equivalent of Kerry and bringing Kilkeel single handedly to the final more suited to a Sligo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 10, 2024, 09:22:32 PM
Quote from: ardtole on February 10, 2024, 08:50:23 PMIn fairness there is a massive difference in winning the McCrory with the equivalent of Kerry and bringing Kilkeel single handedly to the final more suited to a Sligo.

Ordinarily I'd agree with you.

But Clarke weren't alone. It was a freakish time for St Louis football.

Over those couple of seasons he'd teammates of the calibre of James Colgan, Joe Ireland and Pete Fitzpatrick, three of the best players in Ireland for their age group.

Then Gavin Joyce, Eamon McConville, Hugh Magee, Gerard McCartan, who won AI minor medals in 2005.

Luke Howard was involved too, a fine player who I think played in an u21 Ai final.

And something in my head says the O'Reilly brothers were St Louis men too around that time.

Marty was fabulous.

But this wasn't just the Marty show.


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on February 10, 2024, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 10, 2024, 09:22:32 PM
Quote from: ardtole on February 10, 2024, 08:50:23 PMIn fairness there is a massive difference in winning the McCrory with the equivalent of Kerry and bringing Kilkeel single handedly to the final more suited to a Sligo.

Ordinarily I'd agree with you.

But Clarke weren't alone. It was a freakish time for St Louis football.

Over those couple of seasons he'd teammates of the calibre of James Colgan, Joe Ireland and Pete Fitzpatrick, three of the best players in Ireland for their age group.

Then Gavin Joyce, Eamon McConville, Hugh Magee, Gerard McCartan, who won AI minor medals in 2005.

Luke Howard was involved too, a fine player who I think played in an u21 Ai final.

And something in my head says the O'Reilly brothers were St Louis men too around that time.

Marty was fabulous.

But this wasn't just the Marty show.



Don't think Jamie was a St Louis player but Ben joined in 6th form the term after their 2nd macrory final loss I believe
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 10, 2024, 09:43:44 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on February 10, 2024, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 10, 2024, 09:22:32 PM
Quote from: ardtole on February 10, 2024, 08:50:23 PMIn fairness there is a massive difference in winning the McCrory with the equivalent of Kerry and bringing Kilkeel single handedly to the final more suited to a Sligo.

Ordinarily I'd agree with you.

But Clarke weren't alone. It was a freakish time for St Louis football.

Over those couple of seasons he'd teammates of the calibre of James Colgan, Joe Ireland and Pete Fitzpatrick, three of the best players in Ireland for their age group.

Then Gavin Joyce, Eamon McConville, Hugh Magee, Gerard McCartan, who won AI minor medals in 2005.

Luke Howard was involved too, a fine player who I think played in an u21 Ai final.

And something in my head says the O'Reilly brothers were St Louis men too around that time.

Marty was fabulous.

But this wasn't just the Marty show.



Don't think Jamie was a St Louis player but Ben joined in 6th form the term after their 2nd macrory final loss I believe

Ben and Jamie played a bit of underage hurling for us, Jamie had a bit of pace about him IIRC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wolfetones on February 11, 2024, 01:01:11 AM
Quote from: supersub on February 10, 2024, 10:33:48 AMMartin Clarke and Michael Murphy must be the two best MacRory/schools players there have been for a long time. Their longevity and performances in the competitions were sublime.

I think you are showing your age somewhat here.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 11, 2024, 01:55:43 PM
Quote from: Wolfetones on February 11, 2024, 01:01:11 AM
Quote from: supersub on February 10, 2024, 10:33:48 AMMartin Clarke and Michael Murphy must be the two best MacRory/schools players there have been for a long time. Their longevity and performances in the competitions were sublime.

I think you are showing your age somewhat here.


You will note I said for a long time. A long time could be 20 years. In this instance perhaps that is right. No doubt there will have been other super players, but does age even matter in this scenario? I think not. There can't have been too many players who had the impact on his school side (considering their level) as Clarke did? Perhaps people who have witnessed schools football over a longer time have their own thoughts, and maybe rightly so, but that's the beauty of opinion I suppose.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 11, 2024, 01:59:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 10, 2024, 09:22:32 PM
Quote from: ardtole on February 10, 2024, 08:50:23 PMIn fairness there is a massive difference in winning the McCrory with the equivalent of Kerry and bringing Kilkeel single handedly to the final more suited to a Sligo.

Ordinarily I'd agree with you.

But Clarke weren't alone. It was a freakish time for St Louis football.

Over those couple of seasons he'd teammates of the calibre of James Colgan, Joe Ireland and Pete Fitzpatrick, three of the best players in Ireland for their age group.

Then Gavin Joyce, Eamon McConville, Hugh Magee, Gerard McCartan, who won AI minor medals in 2005.

Luke Howard was involved too, a fine player who I think played in an u21 Ai final.

And something in my head says the O'Reilly brothers were St Louis men too around that time.

Marty was fabulous.

But this wasn't just the Marty show.




This is true, they did have a great group. However you take one of those named players out and they still get to the finals. You take Clarke out and they don't. He was still very very much the main man, despite the others around him. The same can be said of the AI Minor team, a great group, but without Clarke, wouldn't have done what they did. In my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mike Tyson on February 11, 2024, 02:43:05 PM
Quote from: supersub on February 11, 2024, 01:59:24 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 10, 2024, 09:22:32 PM
Quote from: ardtole on February 10, 2024, 08:50:23 PMIn fairness there is a massive difference in winning the McCrory with the equivalent of Kerry and bringing Kilkeel single handedly to the final more suited to a Sligo.

Ordinarily I'd agree with you.

But Clarke weren't alone. It was a freakish time for St Louis football.

Over those couple of seasons he'd teammates of the calibre of James Colgan, Joe Ireland and Pete Fitzpatrick, three of the best players in Ireland for their age group.

Then Gavin Joyce, Eamon McConville, Hugh Magee, Gerard McCartan, who won AI minor medals in 2005.

Luke Howard was involved too, a fine player who I think played in an u21 Ai final.

And something in my head says the O'Reilly brothers were St Louis men too around that time.

Marty was fabulous.

But this wasn't just the Marty show.




This is true, they did have a great group. However you take one of those named players out and they still get to the finals. You take Clarke out and they don't. He was still very very much the main man, despite the others around him. The same can be said of the AI Minor team, a great group, but without Clarke, wouldn't have done what they did. In my opinion.

I'd have the same opinion. The second MacRory year, the game plan seemed to be give him the ball and hope for the best. That year it very much was the Marty Show. His fifth year he was also prolific in St Louis McLarnon & All Ireland B campaign's, man of the match in both finals?

Jamie O'Reilly never was near St Louis and Ben joined the year after Clarke left.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on February 11, 2024, 04:25:26 PM
Mc rory is donminated these days by Tyrone and Derry teams. St colmans, Abbey, St Louis and red high downpatrick well of the pace.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on February 12, 2024, 10:25:30 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on February 11, 2024, 04:25:26 PMMc rory is donminated these days by Tyrone and Derry teams. St colmans, Abbey, St Louis and red high downpatrick well of the pace.

Red High very rarely compete in McRory even when they have had teams with several county minors.
They seem to value competing in a B competition more than testing themselves in an A competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 12, 2024, 11:05:46 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on February 12, 2024, 10:25:30 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on February 11, 2024, 04:25:26 PMMc rory is donminated these days by Tyrone and Derry teams. St colmans, Abbey, St Louis and red high downpatrick well of the pace.

Red High very rarely compete in McRory even when they have had teams with several county minors.
They seem to value competing in a B competition more than testing themselves in an A competition.

Maybe with the impending bigger pick as "Lecale" next year they'll do a St Ronans of Lurgan and make bigger in-roads.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 12, 2024, 11:18:26 AM
The Red High should be playing at a higher level with the pick they have
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 12, 2024, 11:42:05 AM
Why do you think they aren't?

They'd generally be one of the stronger teams in the B competitions but I don't think they win them very often.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 12, 2024, 03:41:06 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on February 12, 2024, 10:25:30 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on February 11, 2024, 04:25:26 PMMc rory is donminated these days by Tyrone and Derry teams. St colmans, Abbey, St Louis and red high downpatrick well of the pace.

Red High very rarely compete in McRory even when they have had teams with several county minors.
They seem to value competing in a B competition more than testing themselves in an A competition.

It would seem that the B competition has been an adequate test for the Red High given their record in the competition. They usually have a selection of good players from a variety of clubs but have never looked like dominating that level of competition.

Might change a little with upcoming changes to the school, though I suppose it depends on how the sporting department is reorganised and what the competitive priority is for the younger age groups coming up through the school.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on February 12, 2024, 06:17:42 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 12, 2024, 11:42:05 AMWhy do you think they aren't?

They'd generally be one of the stronger teams in the B competitions but I don't think they win them very often.

They underachieve. They should be competitive at McRory but usually aren't even competitive in McLarnon.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 12, 2024, 10:31:43 PM
I'd say there's more to it than that. If they really had the players to be competitive in MacRory they'd surely be doing a lot more damage in the B competitions down through the year groups.
They lifted themselves to win an A hurling last year so it's not as if there is no GAA drive or ambition in the school.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 12, 2024, 10:40:18 PM
Despite the Red High - St Colmans and Abbey are massively underachieving in A grade football. 11 years without winning a title on the field of play and almost 20 years for Abbey.
Every school in every area can't be complaining they are not getting quality players. St Joes and St Marks have won a few lesser titles in recent times - maybe it comes down to coaching?? Do we need more coaching officer roles in the county to visit the schools?? What are St Louis at? Since their school amalgamation they have gone backwards.. Let's hope that doesn't happen in Downpatrick..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 13, 2024, 05:38:11 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 12, 2024, 11:05:46 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on February 12, 2024, 10:25:30 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on February 11, 2024, 04:25:26 PMMc rory is donminated these days by Tyrone and Derry teams. St colmans, Abbey, St Louis and red high downpatrick well of the pace.

Red High very rarely compete in McRory even when they have had teams with several county minors.
They seem to value competing in a B competition more than testing themselves in an A competition.

Maybe with the impending bigger pick as "Lecale" next year they'll do a St Ronans of Lurgan and make bigger in-roads.


I thought the same, but I was talking to someone last weekend and he said that the Castlewellan and Bryansford students who would have formed the backbone of the team most years, are probably more likely to go to St Malachys Castlewellan now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on February 13, 2024, 09:41:15 AM
There is quite a number going to the green high who would normally have gone to the red high and this may be a factor. Will be interesting to see how the amalgamation works in terms of success on the field.
On another matter, what is the position on tickets for the Antrim game on Sunday given the very low capacity in Corrigan Park?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 13, 2024, 11:06:52 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 12, 2024, 10:40:18 PMDespite the Red High - St Colmans and Abbey are massively underachieving in A grade football. 11 years without winning a title on the field of play and almost 20 years for Abbey.
Every school in every area can't be complaining they are not getting quality players. St Joes and St Marks have won a few lesser titles in recent times - maybe it comes down to coaching?? Do we need more coaching officer roles in the county to visit the schools?? What are St Louis at? Since their school amalgamation they have gone backwards.. Let's hope that doesn't happen in Downpatrick..

Without a doubt, our coaches need to be working with our secondary school football teams.The new school in Downpatrick first on the list.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 13, 2024, 11:19:21 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 13, 2024, 11:06:52 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 12, 2024, 10:40:18 PMDespite the Red High - St Colmans and Abbey are massively underachieving in A grade football. 11 years without winning a title on the field of play and almost 20 years for Abbey.
Every school in every area can't be complaining they are not getting quality players. St Joes and St Marks have won a few lesser titles in recent times - maybe it comes down to coaching?? Do we need more coaching officer roles in the county to visit the schools?? What are St Louis at? Since their school amalgamation they have gone backwards.. Let's hope that doesn't happen in Downpatrick..

Without a doubt, our coaches need to be working with our secondary school football teams.The new school in Downpatrick first on the list.

It would be interesting to see what our existing GDO's are doing for a start!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on February 13, 2024, 04:34:50 PM
Numbers is a massive factor also.. Heard on gaa social podcast, Omagh CBS manager saying he had 95 boys out at trials at start of the year and the squad was cut down to 39.. Not sure this would be anywhere near the case in the likes of red high.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on February 13, 2024, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 12, 2024, 10:31:43 PMso it's not as if there is no GAA drive or ambition in the school.

Maybe things have changed, but there wasn't much application when I was going through.

A bit of enthusiasm, but no direction to it. Even back when there was men that clearly could coach, the actual standard of training was abysmal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on February 13, 2024, 06:18:10 PM
Quote from: Lloyd p on February 13, 2024, 04:34:50 PMNumbers is a massive factor also.. Heard on gaa social podcast, Omagh CBS manager saying he had 95 boys out at trials at start of the year and the squad was cut down to 39.. Not sure this would be anywhere near the case in the likes of red high.

Maybe a lot of 5th years going for a trial also.  That'd boost the numbers big time.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 14, 2024, 12:36:47 PM
I see Juveniles need tickets for corrigan pk.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: nearlymad on February 14, 2024, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 14, 2024, 12:36:47 PMI see Juveniles need tickets for corrigan pk.
Surely you should know that by now :'( .Do the Juveniles get into your beloved Old Tarfford for free? ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on February 14, 2024, 02:25:18 PM
Quote from: nearlymad on February 14, 2024, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 14, 2024, 12:36:47 PMI see Juveniles need tickets for corrigan pk.
Surely you should know that by now :'( .Do the Juveniles get into your beloved Old Tarfford for free? ;D  ;D

Juveniles free into our beloved Pairc Esler for league games this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 15, 2024, 12:06:00 AM
Another 6 lads with Sigerson medals tonight. A top class performance by The poly. Two Canavans are top class players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on February 15, 2024, 06:46:51 AM
I noticed Ryan McGill and Eamon Brown on the uu team. Who were the other 4?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 15, 2024, 07:46:14 AM
I saw a picture of Oisin Treacey from Bredagh, no 16, I presume the sub goalkeeper. Eamonn Brown's brother was on the panel too, don't know the other two.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Too many steps on February 15, 2024, 08:13:20 AM
Quote from: ardtole on February 15, 2024, 07:46:14 AMI saw a picture of Oisin Treacey from Bredagh, no 16, I presume the sub goalkeeper. Eamonn Brown's brother was on the panel too, don't know the other two.
James Kelly and Conor Murphy from Burren I think.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 15, 2024, 11:17:13 AM
Turns out there are 7.. Ronan Connor from Saul the other player..
U20s not going too well at present. Haven't won any challenge games and have a seriously tough group in championship. It's mental how much club football these lads will miss with either the A championship or if not successful being put into the B.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 15, 2024, 01:42:24 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 15, 2024, 11:17:13 AMTurns out there are 7.. Ronan Connor from Saul the other player..
U20s not going too well at present. Haven't won any challenge games and have a seriously tough group in championship. It's mental how much club football these lads will miss with either the A championship or if not successful being put into the B.

Who have the u20s played?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 15, 2024, 02:03:38 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 15, 2024, 11:17:13 AMTurns out there are 7.. Ronan Connor from Saul the other player..
U20s not going too well at present. Haven't won any challenge games and have a seriously tough group in championship. It's mental how much club football these lads will miss with either the A championship or if not successful being put into the B.
Cause you want to be winning challenge games.??
Are challenge not all about getting game time for the whole squad and to be honest do you really need to be showing your hand before going into a game.  I know they played Armagh and I think Dublin also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on February 15, 2024, 02:36:13 PM
U20s were missing a good few players against louth on Tuesday night and they took a good beating. Louth were good.
I think they they will learn from it and with a few games coming down the track it will help this group  find their best options. They will do ok.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 15, 2024, 03:23:00 PM
Is it any surprise our U20 team is struggling? It has been years since our schools have been successful. This has a clear bearing on county football. We require a robust secondary education coaching review. The county and the schools should be working hand in hand.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 15, 2024, 06:42:05 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 15, 2024, 03:23:00 PMIs it any surprise our U20 team is struggling? It has been years since our schools have been successful. This has a clear bearing on county football. We require a robust secondary education coaching review. The county and the schools should be working hand in hand.

That comment would make a lot more sense if the Under 20's hadn't recently won two Ulster titles.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Golden Eye on February 15, 2024, 11:15:59 PM
Again Down GAA Social media shocking to say the least! No Recognition to are players involved last night!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 16, 2024, 08:52:35 AM
All this talk of Down schools doing nothing in McRory. St Colmans had to share  the cup with Maghera because of covid. They potentially could've went all the way and won a hogan that year. It can't always be down to St Colmans, they will always have lean spells. The Abbey had half the Armagh team that won an all Ireland in 02 and did nothing with them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 16, 2024, 09:26:29 AM
Quote from: Golden Eye on February 15, 2024, 11:15:59 PMAgain Down GAA Social media shocking to say the least! No Recognition to are players involved last night!

If the difference between someone's happiness and plight, is that our county board publishes a congratulations message every time someone from Down wins something in any sphere of Gaelic Games, then I really do despair for the future of the human race.

We do not need this validation of our efforts. We really do not.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 16, 2024, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 16, 2024, 09:26:29 AM
Quote from: Golden Eye on February 15, 2024, 11:15:59 PMAgain Down GAA Social media shocking to say the least! No Recognition to are players involved last night!

If the difference between someone's happiness and plight, is that our county board publishes a congratulations message every time someone from Down wins something in any sphere of Gaelic Games, then I really do despair for the future of the human race.

We do not need this validation of our efforts. We really do not.

Bit of a ridiculous comment with the usual hyperbole of course. If you can't see the value of a simple social media acknowledgement to the great sporting achievement of some players from our county then why are you even participating in online discussion boards?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 16, 2024, 01:25:50 PM
On the Down Facebook page, a post congratulates UU on their victory. People need to relax; irrelevant GAA content has taken over every club's Facebook page. Mary has been selected for the U14 team; please post. Let's get a post up when Jimmy fractures his arm at school and Scotty passes his theory exam. Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 16, 2024, 02:07:24 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 16, 2024, 01:25:50 PMOn the Down Facebook page, a post congratulates UU on their victory. People need to relax; irrelevant GAA content has taken over every club's Facebook page. Mary has been selected for the U14 team; please post. Let's get a post up when Jimmy fractures his arm at school and Scotty passes his theory exam. Jesus wept.

This.

PROs up and down the country have created a stick with which to beat themselves and each other.

A good recent example was the well of South Down clubs who took to Twitter and Facebook to wish their Abbey players good luck ahead of their MacRory QF.  Delivering that kind of content across multiple codes, in multiple schools and across all age groups is not plausible. So it's favouritism. Which then leads to shitty conversations and backbiting within clubs.

The poster above might value  the presence of Down players in a Sigerson Cup winning team more than, for example, St Joseph's winning the Pat King Cup with a largely a Down playing pool. But the youngsters and their parents would not, and therein lies the problem.

A county PRO who were to cover every football and hurling related byproduct in their county, would produce a mess. And 20 hours a week of labour needed to create that mess.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: imtommygunn on February 16, 2024, 02:09:40 PM
It's on twitter too (https://twitter.com/officialdowngaa/status/1758260782423323065)

The twitter account got hacked last week and only appears to be back up and running as of yesterday - your social media is pretty good tbf.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 16, 2024, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 16, 2024, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 16, 2024, 09:26:29 AM
Quote from: Golden Eye on February 15, 2024, 11:15:59 PMAgain Down GAA Social media shocking to say the least! No Recognition to are players involved last night!

If the difference between someone's happiness and plight, is that our county board publishes a congratulations message every time someone from Down wins something in any sphere of Gaelic Games, then I really do despair for the future of the human race.

We do not need this validation of our efforts. We really do not.

Bit of a ridiculous comment with the usual hyperbole of course. If you can't see the value of a simple social media acknowledgement to the great sporting achievement of some players from our county then why are you even participating in online discussion boards?
I missed the sigerson final. Did many Dpwn men start?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 16, 2024, 04:07:45 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 16, 2024, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 16, 2024, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 16, 2024, 09:26:29 AM
Quote from: Golden Eye on February 15, 2024, 11:15:59 PMAgain Down GAA Social media shocking to say the least! No Recognition to are players involved last night!

If the difference between someone's happiness and plight, is that our county board publishes a congratulations message every time someone from Down wins something in any sphere of Gaelic Games, then I really do despair for the future of the human race.

We do not need this validation of our efforts. We really do not.

Bit of a ridiculous comment with the usual hyperbole of course. If you can't see the value of a simple social media acknowledgement to the great sporting achievement of some players from our county then why are you even participating in online discussion boards?
I missed the sigerson final. Did many Dpwn men start?

I'm sure you could get a match report online if you can use Google.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on February 16, 2024, 04:17:31 PM
Eamonn Brown came on as sub and Ryan Magill started and captained the team, as far as I'm aware that is the only Down contribution.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on February 16, 2024, 06:29:23 PM
Quote from: Golden Eye on February 15, 2024, 11:15:59 PMAgain Down GAA Social media shocking to say the least! No Recognition to are players involved last night!

Here we go again ffs. Precious, easily offended souls. As bad as the woke brigade, and not even factually correct. That post was written on this forum at 11.15pm according to the timestamp. The red mist must have descended that much you couldn't see Facebook, Instagram or Twitter to see the acknowledgement before you posted here. It's just sensationalist nonsense at this stage. Whatever stick can and will be used to beat any part of the Co Board, don't worry about being correct. Not to mention the issues with county social media over the past 7 days.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 16, 2024, 07:45:38 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 16, 2024, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 16, 2024, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 16, 2024, 09:26:29 AM
Quote from: Golden Eye on February 15, 2024, 11:15:59 PMAgain Down GAA Social media shocking to say the least! No Recognition to are players involved last night!

If the difference between someone's happiness and plight, is that our county board publishes a congratulations message every time someone from Down wins something in any sphere of Gaelic Games, then I really do despair for the future of the human race.

We do not need this validation of our efforts. We really do not.

Bit of a ridiculous comment with the usual hyperbole of course. If you can't see the value of a simple social media acknowledgement to the great sporting achievement of some players from our county then why are you even participating in online discussion boards?
I missed the sigerson final. Did many Dpwn men start?
did you not see it mentioned on social media then? check it out there
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on February 18, 2024, 02:58:12 AM
Great win for the hurlers last week against Kerry. Leaves Down in a very good position heading into the next round.

That second half was one of the best performances I've seen from a Down team in a while. Great stuff.

Could very easily have seen the heads drop after Kerry went in at the break 7 points up, but there looks to be a good mentality about the team at the minute, and Down came flying out of the blocks and didn't give Kerry an inch. Every aspect of the game Down seemed to be able to outperform the Kingdom. Down also managed to deal with playing into the wind a lot better in the first half, than Kerry did in the second half, which made things a lot easier.

Pearse Óg McCrcickard had a good game, and Tim Prenter had some amazing moments. Two good games in a row for him now. Stephen Kieth also had an amazing game. Amazing stop to the first Kerry goal attempt, and saving a penalty is always remarkable.

In the first half our backs found it very hard to deal with the Kerry full forward line. We might not be so lucky the next time, and would need to tighten up.

Great to see Danny Toner back. Some goal he got.

All in all, great performance. Particularly great to see Down make a comeback after being a good bit behind at half time. If we can perform each day the way we did in that second half, we'll be playing in Division One next year. 

Very hopeful going into the next game- Kildare in Ballycran. I do think Kildare have been our bogey team for the past couple years, but as we showed last year, we're well fit to beat them. Should have a couple more lads back which will be a good boost, and Kildare aren't looking just the same as they were last year. Should be a competitive game, and would much rather it be at home than away.

The only two unbeaten teams in the division (Laois and Carlow) play each other next week, which could mean if Down beat Kildare, and the results go their way, Down would be sitting second. Would be nice going into the final few rounds with that momentum.

Good to see the hurlers getting their first competitive win of the year. Hopefully there's plenty more to come.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on February 18, 2024, 05:33:03 PM
Job done by the boys today on Belfast. We were the better team but it took us to last 10 minutes to kill of Antrim.
Oran Murdock was very good in second half. Caolan Mooney worked hard throughout and good to see him back. Oisin savage took soom good points in the second half.

Overall we are improving and going in the right direction.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 18, 2024, 05:55:52 PM
Good to get another win, beat Offaly next week and Div2 will be within touching distance. Took a while to kill of Antrim today but subs worked well. John McGovern in with the squad now, would like to see him give it a real rattle, deadly man if left inside!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 18, 2024, 06:18:46 PM
A fantastic performance today against a team we really struggled with last year. McGovern on panel is an exciting addition - must have realised Newry are going nowhere.
Big Pat was good, murdock, Daniel Guinness and Mooney worked fierce hard throughout.
Next Saturday is the focus now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on February 18, 2024, 07:49:54 PM
Brilliant second after dismal first half.. Savage brilliant when he came on really dangerous inside .. big Pat was poor got turned over a few times and missed a few score-able frees.. Good all around performance and going in the right direction.. good to see strong following from Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 18, 2024, 07:55:35 PM
Better team throughout. Gave Antrim a lifeline with a bit of a gift of a goal. Could've had a few more goals ourselves. Tough game for 55 mins though. But got the job done. Small tidy little ground.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on February 19, 2024, 10:27:22 AM
There will be a few people on here fuming today when they see Down GAA's X account posting about a swimmer....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on February 19, 2024, 01:39:30 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on February 19, 2024, 10:27:22 AMThere will be a few people on here fuming today when they see Down GAA's X account posting about a swimmer....

At least there won't be any chat about diving!
😉🤣
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDúnAbú94 on February 20, 2024, 05:55:11 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 18, 2024, 05:55:52 PMGood to get another win, beat Offaly next week and Div2 will be within touching distance. Took a while to kill of Antrim today but subs worked well. John McGovern in with the squad now, would like to see him give it a real rattle, deadly man if left inside!

Where'd you hear that about McGovern? I haven't heard it reported anywhere else
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on February 20, 2024, 08:15:23 PM
Quote from: AnDúnAbú94 on February 20, 2024, 05:55:11 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 18, 2024, 05:55:52 PMGood to get another win, beat Offaly next week and Div2 will be within touching distance. Took a while to kill of Antrim today but subs worked well. John McGovern in with the squad now, would like to see him give it a real rattle, deadly man if left inside!

Where'd you hear that about McGovern? I haven't heard it reported anywhere else

He was on the pitch with the team warming up before the game on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on February 20, 2024, 09:23:01 PM
2 points against offaly is important if we are to maintain the promotion push. Offaly will be looking to rebound after their sh..t show last week so I expect it wont be straightforward. We will need to be on form and if we are we will win this game and progress on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDúnAbú94 on February 20, 2024, 09:52:52 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 20, 2024, 08:15:23 PM
Quote from: AnDúnAbú94 on February 20, 2024, 05:55:11 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on February 18, 2024, 05:55:52 PMGood to get another win, beat Offaly next week and Div2 will be within touching distance. Took a while to kill of Antrim today but subs worked well. John McGovern in with the squad now, would like to see him give it a real rattle, deadly man if left inside!

Where'd you hear that about McGovern? I haven't heard it reported anywhere else

He was on the pitch with the team warming up before the game on Sunday.

Eagled eyed! Fair play for spotting, interested to see how he gets on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on February 21, 2024, 08:37:16 AM
Good win at the weekend. Down quietly going about their business and look to be improving all around. O Hare another solid performance, defense on shipped 7 scores, won midfield battle, forwards slightly wasteful but creating chances. Only worry is opposition is poor and Down will run into tougher tests soon enough. Wonder will the resolve be there to match the better quality teams. Time will tell 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 23, 2024, 12:58:35 PM
Any team for tommorrow? Good luck to St Malachys in the All-Ireland semi-final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 23, 2024, 07:54:58 PM
Any update on the Darragh Cross situation? No fixtures released until it's sorted apparently..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on February 23, 2024, 10:30:40 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 23, 2024, 12:58:35 PMAny team for tommorrow? Good luck to St Malachys in the All-Ireland semi-final.

John O'Hare
Peter Fegan
Ryan McEvoy
Ceilum Doherty
Miceal Rooney
Pierce Laverty
Paddy McCarthy
Odhran Murdock
Shane Annett
Caolan Mooney
Liam Kerr
Daniel Guinness
Danny Magill
Pat Havern
James Guinness
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on February 23, 2024, 11:47:28 PM
I reckon that's the strongest XV named by Down in a decade.

Whether they're all fit and ready is a different matter.

But there's some serious pace in that team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: upandwin on February 24, 2024, 08:01:40 PM
Any reports from tonight's game? First match in a long time I've missed, great to get two points and surely that will be the last proper test before Westmeath.

Who was good?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on February 24, 2024, 09:11:50 PM
Quote from: upandwin on February 24, 2024, 08:01:40 PMAny reports from tonight's game? First match in a long time I've missed, great to get two points and surely that will be the last proper test before Westmeath.

Who was good?

Another win.
Onwards & upwards!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on February 24, 2024, 09:15:56 PM
Very few were good.
Ryan McAvoy did well but picked up a yellow which could have been a black; that's probably why Laverty took him off but we badly missed his leadership. Murdoch had an off-night but Ryan Johnson was excellent when he came on. Only Havern in the forward line was consistent; anyway two points and move on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on February 24, 2024, 10:07:34 PM
St Malachys castlewellan had a great win today. The game went to extra time after the Mayo school who were a good team scored 2 late points to level match in normal time. The castlewellan lads showed their quality in extra time to to win by 2 points. There is some good talent in this team and good boost for down football...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on February 24, 2024, 11:00:22 PM
Down mixed some decent attacking play with some really poor defensive play. Offaly scoring 2-14 is a real concern and they should've had a couple more goals, when they ran at us they caused us problems. We're still lacking a top quality forward to kick points from play. A win is a win but Laverty will be far from happy.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on February 25, 2024, 02:26:44 AM
Hurlers in action tomorrow in Ballycran against Kildare.

Down had an amazing second half performance in their last game against Kerry, and if they can consistently perform like that, you'd be hopeful about this year.

Nonetheless, Kildare seem to have been Down's bogey team for a while now, so I wouldn't be getting too complacent. Very strong looking Kildare team named, who will be stung after we relegated them to the Christy Ring Cup last year. They also beat Down in the Kehoe Cup a few weeks ago, and will be looking to get their first win of the league.

Down have enough in them to win this game, though. Let's hope everything clicks tomorrow and we continue the good form.

Think I'm right in saying that after Carlow beat Laois today, Down can go to second place in the league based off of points difference (think it's points difference as opposed to head to head) if the result is kind to us tomorrow? That would leave Down in a very good place going into the final two rounds.

But one step at a time. Let's not be getting too ahead of ourselves, and focus on the task at hand. Kildare are a tough test. But hopefully Down are well fit for them.





Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 25, 2024, 07:40:09 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on February 24, 2024, 11:00:22 PMDown mixed some decent attacking play with some really poor defensive play. Offaly scoring 2-14 is a real concern and they should've had a couple more goals, when they ran at us they caused us problems. We're still lacking a top quality forward to kick points from play. A win is a win but Laverty will be far from happy.
Last night was concerning. Offaly are better than their league position suggests, Down won nothing in the middle in 2nd half. It all seemed to swing on a few substitutions in quick succession, when McEvoy and mooney came off. . Play like that and promotion mightnt happen again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 25, 2024, 02:28:22 PM
Last night was concerning absolutely. There was a 15 minute spell we cud not live with them. But they missed the vital scores and 3/4 goal chances which kept us looking comfortable. Ryan Johnston was excellent when introduced and hopefully can stay fit. Liam Kerr had a great game but yet again it was Pat Havern that was our best player. We literally could not do without him at present. Sligo next week should be accounted for easily and then 2 weeks to prepare for Westmeath which is the only real test we have in the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on February 26, 2024, 08:58:15 AM
Our defence is a major worry at the minute
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on February 26, 2024, 09:50:15 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on February 26, 2024, 08:58:15 AMOur defence is a major worry at the minute
Is it more the fact that when you play that fast breaking game if you get turned over you can be in real trouble as your short in numbers at the back and thr keeper is sprinting back to his goal. He will get chipped some day.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 26, 2024, 10:01:56 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on February 23, 2024, 07:54:58 PMAny update on the Darragh Cross situation? No fixtures released until it's sorted apparently..

Been told fixtures likely out this week - so must be sorted or they've an idea of what's happening
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 26, 2024, 11:21:50 AM
Quote from: Splash on February 25, 2024, 02:26:44 AMHurlers in action tomorrow in Ballycran against Kildare.

Down had an amazing second half performance in their last game against Kerry, and if they can consistently perform like that, you'd be hopeful about this year.

Nonetheless, Kildare seem to have been Down's bogey team for a while now, so I wouldn't be getting too complacent. Very strong looking Kildare team named, who will be stung after we relegated them to the Christy Ring Cup last year. They also beat Down in the Kehoe Cup a few weeks ago, and will be looking to get their first win of the league.

Down have enough in them to win this game, though. Let's hope everything clicks tomorrow and we continue the good form.

Think I'm right in saying that after Carlow beat Laois today, Down can go to second place in the league based off of points difference (think it's points difference as opposed to head to head) if the result is kind to us tomorrow? That would leave Down in a very good place going into the final two rounds.

But one step at a time. Let's not be getting too ahead of ourselves, and focus on the task at hand. Kildare are a tough test. But hopefully Down are well fit for them.



Viper up to his old tricks again. His record on saving penalties is unreal, two again yesterday to gain Down a well earned point.

Ironically enough club wise Marc Fisher has a very good record on scoring past Viper and penalties in general, he's got a good mix of power and accuracy.

3 points in the bag with Meath yet to come to McKenna, a bit of a chance of claiming the third placed spot for a semi-final.

Carlow away isn't beyond the realms but isn't as important a game as the Meath game.

Considering the main aim this year would have been to consolidate Div2A and build, it's looking good on that front.

Sheehan may have his detractors but he's well thought off by the players and seems to be getting buy in from all clubs so credit where it's due.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on February 26, 2024, 12:30:32 PM
" Sheehan may have his detractors"

As someone with limited knowledge of hurling, what would the complaints of him be?

Personally I've always seen him as very positive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on February 26, 2024, 01:35:46 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on February 26, 2024, 12:30:32 PM" Sheehan may have his detractors"

As someone with limited knowledge of hurling, what would the complaints of him be?

Personally I've always seen him as very positive.

He can be a bit of a gobshíte along the line especially during the club championship games when sub/managing the Shamrocks.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: 5times5times on February 26, 2024, 03:24:52 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on February 26, 2024, 01:35:46 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on February 26, 2024, 12:30:32 PM" Sheehan may have his detractors"

As someone with limited knowledge of hurling, what would the complaints of him be?

Personally I've always seen him as very positive.

Plus his twitter outbursts are head in hands stuff. Some caic typed
He can be a bit of a gobshíte along the line especially during the club championship games when sub/managing the Shamrocks.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Kong King on February 26, 2024, 05:00:34 PM
I've seen a coach from tullylish is managing a belfast club in antrim league. Its fascinating to hear of all these down managers in other countys. We must be the biggest exporterin ulster? Exactly how many are outside down? And who? Whats wrong with our leagues that they cant or wont stay?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ardstick on February 28, 2024, 10:11:14 AM
Cant really blame a coach who goes to a different county, if their skills are best at senior level there's only so many jobs about. Although I'm sure you could argue plenty of jobs/help required in their own clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on February 28, 2024, 11:37:04 PM
Plenty to be done in their own clubs surely - but could you be bothered listening to the parents (if taking an underage team) or the patrons who go to senior games?? In their day everything was much better and no matter what you do it's never enough. I can't blame people going out and broadening their horizons in other places/counties. If they are getting "expenses" fair enough - although Jarlath is going to put a stop to that apparently...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 29, 2024, 03:42:57 PM
Fixtures out - Darraghcross in Divsion 4
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on February 29, 2024, 06:28:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 29, 2024, 03:42:57 PMFixtures out - Darraghcross in Divsion 4

Them in division 4 is akin to Glenn being in division 3

That's your two league winners before a ball is kicked
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Barracuda on February 29, 2024, 07:27:24 PM
(1) Has the McManus money been distributed to the Down clubs yet? How was each clubs share calculated?  (2) Has the investigation into the referee appointment/cancellation for the Down SFC final been completed? What were the findings?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on February 29, 2024, 07:57:26 PM
Quote from: County Star on February 29, 2024, 06:28:01 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on February 29, 2024, 03:42:57 PMFixtures out - Darraghcross in Divsion 4

Them in division 4 is akin to Glenn being in division 3

That's your two league winners before a ball is kicked

Aye 3 and 4 pretty easy to call.. Are Darragcross in JFC too or is it just Division 4 they're put in? Anyone know
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Golden Eye on March 01, 2024, 06:12:34 PM
Quote from: Barracuda on February 29, 2024, 07:27:24 PM(1) Has the McManus money been distributed to the Down clubs yet? How was each clubs share calculated?  (2) Has the investigation into the referee appointment/cancellation for the Down SFC final been completed? What were the findings?

There is a Down collective referees meeting next Thursday night with the county board!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Greenreporter on March 01, 2024, 07:38:23 PM
I see the Kilcoo v CPN seconds match is the only game yet to have a referee appointed.  Are the rumours true all the ref's are boycotting the magpies this year?? Interesting to see how this pans out
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on March 02, 2024, 07:08:36 AM
Quote from: Greenreporter on March 01, 2024, 07:38:23 PMI see the Kilcoo v CPN seconds match is the only game yet to have a referee appointed.  Are the rumours true all the ref's are boycotting the magpies this year?? Interesting to see how this pans out

What about Bredagh and carryduff game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 02, 2024, 04:42:34 PM
Great to see the Castlewellan flags proudly flying in Kilcoo.

Nice touch prior to the town's return to Division 1 football.

Great to see Kilcoo showing support for their neighbours.

#UTT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 02, 2024, 04:50:29 PM
Quote from: PTC on March 02, 2024, 07:08:36 AM
Quote from: Greenreporter on March 01, 2024, 07:38:23 PMI see the Kilcoo v CPN seconds match is the only game yet to have a referee appointed.  Are the rumours true all the ref's are boycotting the magpies this year?? Interesting to see how this pans out

What about Bredagh and carryduff game?
called off as a post was broken
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on March 02, 2024, 06:41:35 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on March 02, 2024, 04:42:34 PMGreat to see the Castlewellan flags proudly flying in Kilcoo.

Nice touch prior to the town's return to Division 1 football.

Great to see Kilcoo showing support for their neighbours.

#UTT
They are aughlisnafin flags for the fin players on the town team. Castlewellan are green and black
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 03, 2024, 07:59:50 AM
Quote from: PTC on March 02, 2024, 06:41:35 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on March 02, 2024, 04:42:34 PMGreat to see the Castlewellan flags proudly flying in Kilcoo.

Nice touch prior to the town's return to Division 1 football.

Great to see Kilcoo showing support for their neighbours.

#UTT
They are aughlisnafin flags for the fin players on the town team. Castlewellan are green and black

More inter-club appreciation.
Great to see Kilcoo embracing the spirit of the GAA & showing the love for their fellow gaels!


#UTT
#UTF
#UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PTC on March 03, 2024, 03:14:23 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on March 03, 2024, 07:59:50 AM
Quote from: PTC on March 02, 2024, 06:41:35 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on March 02, 2024, 04:42:34 PMGreat to see the Castlewellan flags proudly flying in Kilcoo.

Nice touch prior to the town's return to Division 1 football.

Great to see Kilcoo showing support for their neighbours.

#UTT
They are aughlisnafin flags for the fin players on the town team. Castlewellan are green and black

More inter-club appreciation.
Great to see Kilcoo embracing the spirit of the GAA & showing the love for their fellow gaels!


#UTT
#UTF
#UTM
One thing about Kilcoo is we will always be at the front when it comes to respecting are opponents, officials and all fellow gaels.
#UTM
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on March 03, 2024, 06:41:13 PM
Good win over Sligo although Sligo look to be rebuilding and have a bit to do. Our boys done what they had to do today and are now in good position for the tough 2 final games in the group against Westmeath in Mullingar and Clare in Newry.
Next weeks game in Mullingar will need to played at championship pace to get the result as we know from last year sam maguire cup run that westmeath are a good team. Clare in Newry will also be very tough. Let's hope all the lads stay fit to get us over the line.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 03, 2024, 07:04:58 PM
Does promotion guarantee Sam maguire group for this year?.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: WeeJamseyMcC95 on March 03, 2024, 07:38:59 PM
Mighty performance from burren reserves today beating our neighbours handy enough.. also hearing reports from Kilcoo 3s against saul 2nds today apparently playing great play.. like a typical Kilcoo snr team just off the run hand passing and quick play.. seems like another Kilcoo and burren league final like we always like to see. I feel we are in for another year of great championship football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 03, 2024, 07:55:31 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 03, 2024, 07:04:58 PMDoes promotion guarantee Sam maguire group for this year?.

I read somewhere recently, that the team that tops div 3, is likely to play in the All Ireland series this year.

If Kildare got to a leinster final, this might change, but it could mean the division 3 play off will have a huge amount at stake.

Also if Down won Div 3, and got to an Ulster final the runner up might progress also.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 03, 2024, 07:59:55 PM
I just had a  quick look at the leinster sfc draw and Westmeath and Kildare are on the same side of the draw and probably between them for a leinster final spot. Presuming Dublin win again, one of these teams would be a second seed in the All Ireland series.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 03, 2024, 08:22:37 PM
Good performance today, much better than last week. Sligo had no answer to the pace of the forward play once we got going. Although we still coughed up a couple of decent goal chances, the defence was better this week.
Hopefully Odhran Murdock's injury isn't too serious as there's tougher tests ahead.

RIP Dan McCartan, one of the greats of Down football
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dubh driocht on March 03, 2024, 08:28:12 PM
Indeed, a much better performance and Laverty picked the right team and made the right substitutions.  Everyone did well but particular credit to McAvoy, Doherty, Flynn, D Guinness and Havern. Sligo were limited so Mullingar will be a greater challenge, the sort of fixture Conor loves.
Sad news about Big Dan; a warrior.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dec on March 03, 2024, 09:31:44 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 03, 2024, 08:22:37 PMRIP Dan McCartan, one of the greats of Down football

There was a Dan McCartan who was a teacher at St. Colman's, where did he fit into the McCartan family tree?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 03, 2024, 10:43:16 PM
What about that absolute display from Doherty today... he was unbelievable from start to finish in a game that was over after 15 minutes.
Credit also to the midfield pairing. Just shows we can cope without Murdock if needs be. Let's hope we don't have to though.
Bring on Westmeath.

RIP Dan McCartan - a legend in our county
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 03, 2024, 11:13:56 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 03, 2024, 07:59:55 PMI just had a  quick look at the leinster sfc draw and Westmeath and Kildare are on the same side of the draw and probably between them for a leinster final spot. Presuming Dublin win again, one of these teams would be a second seed in the All Ireland series.
So would want to win in mullingar to make sure.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 03, 2024, 11:36:43 PM
Following the NFL combine here.. Charlie Smyth flying, made his last 8 kicks.. Missed 55 yards there. Hopefully he does enough to get signed
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 04, 2024, 08:49:38 AM
Rest in peace Dan, a legend
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on March 04, 2024, 10:36:06 AM
Quote from: ardtole on March 03, 2024, 07:59:55 PMI just had a  quick look at the leinster sfc draw and Westmeath and Kildare are on the same side of the draw and probably between them for a leinster final spot. Presuming Dublin win again, one of these teams would be a second seed in the All Ireland series.

I think Louth are that side of the draw too. Down would want them to progress to the final along with Dublin so that winning the league final would mean playing in Sam. Although it will be difficult and likely lose to a lot of the good teams, this young Down side would gain more playing against the best teams.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 04, 2024, 10:39:45 AM
Westmeath were unlucky not to qualify from their group last year. The home game, away game and a neutral game is a good format, especially for a young team on the up, like Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 04, 2024, 01:08:35 PM
I see the first round of the u20 championship is on Saturday, have we a chance? Who are the stars to look out for?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on March 04, 2024, 01:46:15 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on March 02, 2024, 04:42:34 PMGreat to see the Castlewellan flags proudly flying in Kilcoo.

Nice touch prior to the town's return to Division 1 football.

Great to see Kilcoo showing support for their neighbours.

#UTT

Actually flags for St Malachys Castlewellan who if you didn't know are in the All Ireland Schools Final on Saturday in Carlow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 04, 2024, 06:33:01 PM
Quote from: razor on March 04, 2024, 01:46:15 PM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on March 02, 2024, 04:42:34 PMGreat to see the Castlewellan flags proudly flying in Kilcoo.

Nice touch prior to the town's return to Division 1 football.

Great to see Kilcoo showing support for their neighbours.

#UTT

Actually flags for St Malachys Castlewellan who if you didn't know are in the All Ireland Schools Final on Saturday in Carlow.

Oh. Ok. Thanks for enlightening those of us not in the know.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on March 05, 2024, 05:55:26 PM
What's thoughts on Clarke coming in as sweeper/keeper?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 05, 2024, 06:00:02 PM
Quote from: statto on March 05, 2024, 05:55:26 PMWhat's thoughts on Clarke coming in as sweeper/keeper?

If he can save a shots then that's grand.. But if he can't let's not put square pegs in round holes.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on March 05, 2024, 06:10:04 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 05, 2024, 06:00:02 PM
Quote from: statto on March 05, 2024, 05:55:26 PMWhat's thoughts on Clarke coming in as sweeper/keeper?

If he can save a shots then that's grand.. But if he can't let's not put square pegs in round holes.


From what I have seen o hare looks a decent keeper definitely an upgrade on kane.Having 37 year old Anderson as the sub keeper was a strange call, even stranger bringing in a lad who hasn't played for thirteen years and is part of the backroom team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on March 05, 2024, 07:11:06 PM
O'hare in goals is doing a good job at the minute so He has to be first choice. I cant believe M clarke would be considered for this role as He is to long out of the game... maybe management see something special from him in the in house games....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 05, 2024, 07:15:18 PM
As good as O'Hare is doing, as a sweeper keeper he doesn't venture far past the half way line. No doubt Clarke would be able to take a shot on or distribute the ball better. But yes it's hard to see him as more than cover.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 05, 2024, 08:33:47 PM
If Clarke is anyway proficient at the basics of goalkeeping, he could be a serious weapon, coming onto the ball from deep with time and space.

It's definitely worth a look at, particularly if we beat Westmeath and have a risk free game v Clare.

Without doubt he is a generational player, and the new innovative sweeper keeper role could suit him.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDúnAbú94 on March 05, 2024, 08:46:30 PM
I reckon they expected Smyth back from the States at some stage this year but with the reports saying the three lads are in line for contracts that Clarke is the contingency. I doubt he'll see the pitch unless O'Hare gets injured.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 05, 2024, 09:37:06 PM
So we have john McGovern on the panel - a great player - but didn't play a minute of Gaelic football for his club last year in league let alone championship. Now we have potentially Clarke coming in who has played minimal minutes of Gaelic football in the last few years.. Why is Laverty doing this?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on March 05, 2024, 11:10:48 PM
So it won't look so bad when he names himself at full forward in the next match!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: County Star on March 06, 2024, 05:49:08 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 05, 2024, 09:37:06 PMSo we have john McGovern on the panel - a great player - but didn't play a minute of Gaelic football for his club last year in league let alone championship. Now we have potentially Clarke coming in who has played minimal minutes of Gaelic football in the last few years.. Why is Laverty doing this?

So unnamed posters on message boards can question it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 06, 2024, 09:31:39 PM
Quote from: Targetman on March 05, 2024, 11:10:48 PMSo it won't look so bad when he names himself at full forward in the next match!!
I could live with that to be honest. Played against our seconds last week - masterful. Intelligence is top drawer but pace has waned..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on March 09, 2024, 10:50:18 AM
Good luck to St Malachys Castlewellan in their final today
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on March 09, 2024, 10:51:47 AM
Game streamed live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7LbklULKAU
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 09, 2024, 11:49:46 AM
Is the U20 game streamed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 09, 2024, 11:53:05 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 09, 2024, 11:49:46 AMIs the U20 game streamed?
I see it is , sorry.  Ulstergaa.tv
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 09, 2024, 08:15:52 PM
I see the result but was anyone at the U20 game today?? Were they 8 points the better team or just pull away at the end?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on March 09, 2024, 08:53:03 PM
Should have been beaten by more.. We got a late goal while Derry hit the post twice and crossbar at the end..Carr midfield and Kelly nr11 both done well but outside that well beaten.. Tyrone match will be tougher again
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on March 09, 2024, 11:00:31 PM
Tough game for the hurlers away to Carlow tomorrow.

I honestly feel as though Carlow have come on a lot recently, and are closer in standard to Dublin, Wexford etc., than they are to us, Kerry, Kildare etc.

Still though- a day of hurling in the sunny south east never did anybody any harm. Will be good to gauge where we're at, and will be able to tell better if being competitive with Laois was a one off, or are we really running at a similar level to these teams.

I've been very happy with how we've been going. Stephen Kieth has been absolutely unreal in particular, and thought Marc Fisher had a good game in the last round, and even though it would be easy to be disappointed with the draw against Kildare, I thought Down did well to not let the heads go down, particularly when things were going wrong, and were able to see the game out without losing.

Think Down's discipline leaves a lot to be desired at the moment, and we would have to stop giving away frees, but other than that, I think we're going very well with what we have at our disposal.

We've a good chance to of making a semi final, after that, who knows. Definitely been an encouraging year so far, though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on March 10, 2024, 09:57:13 PM
Hurlers narrowly lose out to Carlow.

Was level with ten minutes to go, and only five points in it at the end. Can't be too  unhappy with that when playing away to a strong Carlow side.

Given the way the other results went, Down  need to beat Meath at home next Saturday, and hope that Carlow beat Kildare in order for us to reach a semi final.

If Down can continue to play like that, they could very well reach promotion yet.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: dingle82 on March 11, 2024, 10:20:37 AM
Down missing 3 key Portaferry players - CT, Barry T and Tom Mcg.
Are they available next weekend? Good chance of pipping Kildare on score difference for a semi final place.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Granto on March 12, 2024, 06:11:42 PM
Who are the contenders for the Down All County Leagues this season?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 12, 2024, 06:54:08 PM
Portaferry probably favourites for Div1, East Belfast could be a surprise package in Div2.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Granto on March 12, 2024, 07:45:33 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 12, 2024, 06:54:08 PMPortaferry probably favourites for Div1, East Belfast could be a surprise package in Div2.

That's very interesting, but I meant to say in "Football"!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on March 12, 2024, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: Granto on March 12, 2024, 07:45:33 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 12, 2024, 06:54:08 PMPortaferry probably favourites for Div1, East Belfast could be a surprise package in Div2.

That's very interesting, but I meant to say in "Football"!
Div 1 Burren, Carryduff and kilcoo as  it's hard to see any other clubs making a challenge based on last years form
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on March 13, 2024, 12:11:35 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on March 12, 2024, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: Granto on March 12, 2024, 07:45:33 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 12, 2024, 06:54:08 PMPortaferry probably favourites for Div1, East Belfast could be a surprise package in Div2.

That's very interesting, but I meant to say in "Football"!
Div 1 Burren, Carryduff and kilcoo as  it's hard to see any other clubs making a challenge based on last years form
It's hard to know due to clubs not having county players ATM. Kilcoo always strong but last year it was ourselves and loughinisland in the top 2 but neither had many involved with the county though that's different this year. It's impossible to call
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on March 13, 2024, 10:15:38 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 12, 2024, 06:54:08 PMPortaferry probably favourites for Div1, East Belfast could be a surprise package in Div2.


Think Liatroim should have what it takes to win Division One again. Agree on East Belfast, although I suppose there's the argument that they're not really a surprise anymore given their success last year.

Div 2 will be interesting. Could realistically see any team going up. I would say Portaferry or Ballycran will probably be favourites to win it outright.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 13, 2024, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: Splash on March 13, 2024, 10:15:38 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 12, 2024, 06:54:08 PMPortaferry probably favourites for Div1, East Belfast could be a surprise package in Div2.


Think Liatroim should have what it takes to win Division One again. Agree on East Belfast, although I suppose there's the argument that they're not really a surprise anymore given their success last year.

Div 2 will be interesting. Could realistically see any team going up. I would say Portaferry or Ballycran will probably be favourites to win it outright.

Liatroim didn't really go all out in the league last year as they came to our place and had a good few starters along the line, but I'm hearing they've lost the Murphy's and McCusker, but that could be lies and more cash appeared from the festival funds  ;)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on March 13, 2024, 06:13:25 PM
The craic I heard was McCusker is away, but the Belfast men are staying.

Who knows until the leagues get up and running I suppose.

Liatroim may be the team to watch this year. The Fontenoy men I was speaking to felt last year was some opportunity that got away.

They'll have their eyes on the prize come the championship I'd say.

Of course, that's not to say they'll go hammer and tongs at the league, and things are never as simple as that come the championship.

I expect Bredagh and Carryduff to be stronger than they were last year, and Ballycran will never want a scare like that ever again. Add in trying to balance senior football now alongside senior hurling and who knows what way they'll get on.

Still though. Be an interesting team to watch imo.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Back2Winning on March 13, 2024, 10:09:49 PM
Kilcoo - K Lacey
Burren - E McCartan
CPN - J Boyle
Clonduff - G Adams
Mayobridge - B Murray
Carryduff - F Moriarty
Loughinisland - C O'Toole
Bredagh - ????
Ballyholland - S Mulholland
Castlewellan - C McCabe

Longstone - C Brannigan
Bryansford - J Magorrian
RGU - K Duffin & C McCrickard
Rostrevor - DJ Morgan
Saval - P Morrison
Saul - D Lynch
Liatroim - P Murray
Shamrocks - DJ Kane
An Riocht  - C Kelly
St John's - S Curran

Glenn - S Clark?
Drumgath - P Hynes
Annaclone- J Clarke
Ballymartin- Barry Cunningham
Attical - M Rafferty
Tullylish - R McShane
Drumaness - L Sloan
Banbridge- P Feeney
Bosco - M McVeigh
Finn - M Copeland


Darragh - B Mason
St Paul's- P Hannigan
Bright - Aidan Clark
Dromara - J Fegan
Teconnaght - C Laverty
Kilclief - S Curran
Ardglass - K Smyth
Dundrum - R McCartan
East Belfast - C O'Neill
Aghaderg - K Blaney
St Michael's - L McAlinden
Glasdrumman - N McKibben


Would this list of Down senior football club managers for 2024 above be correct??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: bannside on March 14, 2024, 07:10:25 AM
Bredagh - Kieran McGourty / Deaghlan Bunting are both there AFAIK.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 14, 2024, 08:22:15 AM
Quote from: Splash on March 13, 2024, 06:13:25 PMThe craic I heard was McCusker is away, but the Belfast men are staying.

Who knows until the leagues get up and running I suppose.

Liatroim may be the team to watch this year. The Fontenoy men I was speaking to felt last year was some opportunity that got away.

They'll have their eyes on the prize come the championship I'd say.

Of course, that's not to say they'll go hammer and tongs at the league, and things are never as simple as that come the championship.

I expect Bredagh and Carryduff to be stronger than they were last year, and Ballycran will never want a scare like that ever again. Add in trying to balance senior football now alongside senior hurling and who knows what way they'll get on.

Still though. Be an interesting team to watch imo.

Ballycran lads I know are expecting them to drop off a bit this year at senior (not Div1) due to a few retirements and lads off to Australia plus they've very little coming through from underage.
Donal Hughes back is a big plus for Bredagh, he's their main scoring threat and a real pain in the hole for our lads who struggle to get a grips with him and they do have some very good underage hurlers in the pipeline if they commit to hurling. Being relegated to Div 3 in Antrim may give them a chance to bring some of those lads through at an easier pace whereas we might end up throwing some of our lads in at the deep end in Antrim Div1 and that IMO isn't a good thing short term or indeed long term as it's a huge step up.
Liatroim certainly won't be taken lightly by anyone, I think they're still a bit weak defensively and need a dog or two of corner backs to hold out the better forwards around. That was their Achilles heel against us and we left a few sitters of goals behind us that night in Kilclief.

Ports will still be strong favourites come championship but complacency has historically been a problem for them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on March 15, 2024, 09:10:03 AM
Quote from: Back2Winning on March 13, 2024, 10:09:49 PMKilcoo - K Lacey
Burren - E McCartan
CPN - J Boyle
Clonduff - G Adams
Mayobridge - B Murray
Carryduff - F Moriarty
Loughinisland - C O'Toole
Bredagh - ????
Ballyholland - S Mulholland
Castlewellan - C McCabe

Longstone - C Brannigan
Bryansford - J Magorrian
RGU - K Duffin & C McCrickard
Rostrevor - DJ Morgan
Saval - P Morrison
Saul - D Lynch
Liatroim - P Murray
Shamrocks - DJ Kane
An Riocht  - C Kelly
St John's - S Curran

Glenn - S Clark?
Drumgath - P Hynes
Annaclone- J Clarke
Ballymartin- Barry Cunningham
Attical - M Rafferty
Tullylish - R McShane
Drumaness - L Sloan
Banbridge- P Feeney
Bosco - M McVeigh
Finn - M Copeland


Darragh - B Mason
St Paul's- P Hannigan
Bright - Aidan Clark
Dromara - J Fegan
Teconnaght - C Laverty
Kilclief - S Curran
Ardglass - K Smyth
Dundrum - R McCartan
East Belfast - C O'Neill
Aghaderg - K Blaney
St Michael's - L McAlinden
Glasdrumman - N McKibben


Would this list of Down senior football club managers for 2024 above be correct??


Liatroim is Peter McDonnell
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 15, 2024, 10:36:22 AM
Would it not make sense to postpone the reserve games this weekend due to the recent rain and the forecast for tomorrow?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: No1 on March 15, 2024, 11:10:43 AM
Quote from: Back2Winning on March 13, 2024, 10:09:49 PMKilcoo - K Lacey
Burren - E McCartan
CPN - J Boyle
Clonduff - G Adams
Mayobridge - B Murray
Carryduff - F Moriarty
Loughinisland - C O'Toole
Bredagh - ????
Ballyholland - S Mulholland
Castlewellan - C McCabe

Longstone - C Brannigan
Bryansford - J Magorrian
RGU - K Duffin & C McCrickard
Rostrevor - DJ Morgan
Saval - P Morrison
Saul - D Lynch
Liatroim - P Murray
Shamrocks - DJ Kane
An Riocht  - C Kelly
St John's - S Curran

Glenn - S Clark?
Drumgath - P Hynes
Annaclone- J Clarke
Ballymartin- Barry Cunningham
Attical - M Rafferty
Tullylish - R McShane
Drumaness - L Sloan
Banbridge- P Feeney
Bosco - M McVeigh
Finn - M Copeland


Darragh - B Mason
St Paul's- P Hannigan
Bright - Aidan Clark
Dromara - J Fegan
Teconnaght - C Laverty
Kilclief - S Curran
Ardglass - K Smyth
Dundrum - R McCartan
East Belfast - C O'Neill
Aghaderg - K Blaney
St Michael's - L McAlinden
Glasdrumman - N McKibben


Would this list of Down senior football club managers for 2024 above be correct??


S Curran not with Kilclief and pretty sure K Smyth gone from Ardglass.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 15, 2024, 11:14:05 AM
Peter O'Shea is taking Ardglass this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 15, 2024, 08:08:19 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 15, 2024, 10:36:22 AMWould it not make sense to postpone the reserve games this weekend due to the recent rain and the forecast for tomorrow?

If they were to do that on every wet day it would be a very long season.
No doubt some games will be off but most will be ok.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 15, 2024, 08:19:52 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 15, 2024, 10:36:22 AMWould it not make sense to postpone the reserve games this weekend due to the recent rain and the forecast for tomorrow?

Football has been played in the rain many times.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on March 15, 2024, 08:58:06 PM
Quote from: No1 on March 15, 2024, 11:10:43 AM
Quote from: Back2Winning on March 13, 2024, 10:09:49 PMKilcoo - K Lacey
Burren - E McCartan
CPN - J Boyle
Clonduff - G Adams
Mayobridge - B Murray
Carryduff - F Moriarty
Loughinisland - C O'Toole
Bredagh - ????
Ballyholland - S Mulholland
Castlewellan - C McCabe

Longstone - C Brannigan
Bryansford - J Magorrian
RGU - K Duffin & C McCrickard
Rostrevor - DJ Morgan
Saval - P Morrison
Saul - D Lynch
Liatroim - P Murray
Shamrocks - DJ Kane
An Riocht  - C Kelly
St John's - S Curran

Glenn - S Clark?
Drumgath - P Hynes
Annaclone- J Clarke
Ballymartin- Barry Cunningham
Attical - M Rafferty
Tullylish - R McShane
Drumaness - L Sloan
Banbridge- P Feeney
Bosco - M McVeigh
Finn - M Copeland


Darragh - B Mason
St Paul's- P Hannigan
Bright - Aidan Clark
Dromara - J Fegan
Teconnaght - C Laverty
Kilclief - S Curran
Ardglass - K Smyth
Dundrum - R McCartan
East Belfast - C O'Neill
Aghaderg - K Blaney
St Michael's - L McAlinden
Glasdrumman - N McKibben


Would this list of Down senior football club managers for 2024 above be correct??


S Curran not with Kilclief and pretty sure K Smyth gone from Ardglass.

Bredagh.
Deaglan Bunting and Kieran McGourty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on March 16, 2024, 02:33:11 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 14, 2024, 08:22:15 AM
Quote from: Splash on March 13, 2024, 06:13:25 PMThe craic I heard was McCusker is away, but the Belfast men are staying.

Who knows until the leagues get up and running I suppose.

Liatroim may be the team to watch this year. The Fontenoy men I was speaking to felt last year was some opportunity that got away.

They'll have their eyes on the prize come the championship I'd say.

Of course, that's not to say they'll go hammer and tongs at the league, and things are never as simple as that come the championship.

I expect Bredagh and Carryduff to be stronger than they were last year, and Ballycran will never want a scare like that ever again. Add in trying to balance senior football now alongside senior hurling and who knows what way they'll get on.

Still though. Be an interesting team to watch imo.

Ballycran lads I know are expecting them to drop off a bit this year at senior (not Div1) due to a few retirements and lads off to Australia plus they've very little coming through from underage.
Donal Hughes back is a big plus for Bredagh, he's their main scoring threat and a real pain in the hole for our lads who struggle to get a grips with him and they do have some very good underage hurlers in the pipeline if they commit to hurling. Being relegated to Div 3 in Antrim may give them a chance to bring some of those lads through at an easier pace whereas we might end up throwing some of our lads in at the deep end in Antrim Div1 and that IMO isn't a good thing short term or indeed long term as it's a huge step up.
Liatroim certainly won't be taken lightly by anyone, I think they're still a bit weak defensively and need a dog or two of corner backs to hold out the better forwards around. That was their Achilles heel against us and we left a few sitters of goals behind us that night in Kilclief.

Ports will still be strong favourites come championship but complacency has historically been a problem for them.


Agreed. Looking at Ballycran, would expect them to regress a bit in the next few years. I think they could well claim this year's championship though, simply because I don't see Portaferry doing 3 in a row, and think everyone else is at least a wee bit off them two.

Bredagh will be very glad to have Hughes back, and they have some other great hurlers. Obviously a great generation of hurlers coming through for them, too.

You're spot on about Liatroim's defensive issues.

Could be an interesting year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on March 16, 2024, 02:45:48 AM
Big chance tomorrow for the hurlers.

Beat Meath, and there's a good chance we're looking at league semi final.

Kildare beat Carlow this evening, which makes things a bit more difficult, but if we beat Meath by enough I think Down go through on points difference?

Meath didn't look great at all last week, so it's not out of the realms of possibility.

Meath have definitely caused us heartbreak over the past couple years, but Down have looked good this season.

Down know the target that has to be met. Hopefully they can do it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on March 17, 2024, 10:08:04 AM
I am not big into hurling but love Splash's posts. Very informative and no resorting to abusing anyone.
Great to see the hurlers making the league semi finals. Let's have an update on yesterday's game Splash and keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 17, 2024, 11:48:52 AM
Splash has certainly been a welcome addition to the Down forum. I enjoy the coverage of the ihc and jhc during the summer, games you would generally hear little about. It's encouraging to hear of progress at underage particularly at clubs like Castlewellan and CPN, where you would associate them more as football clubs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on March 17, 2024, 12:10:27 PM
Is Oran Murdock available for todays game?
Goodluck to the boys in what I expect to be a tough encounter.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on March 17, 2024, 05:17:50 PM
It was was always going to be tough to get the win today but at least we didnt get defeated and so it's down to last day. Clare are coming and have to win in Newry next week so our boys will have to perform to a high level to win this. This is is an important game for Down football as another year in div 2 will be hard pill to swallow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 17, 2024, 08:23:00 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on March 17, 2024, 05:17:50 PMIt was was always going to be tough to get the win today but at least we didnt get defeated and so it's down to last day. Clare are coming and have to win in Newry next week so our boys will have to perform to a high level to win this. This is is an important game for Down football as another year in div 2 will be hard pill to swallow.
Down couldnt get around westmeaths defensive unit. The final ball was very poor. A lot of wides and balls dropped short. Could've won that game. I'd be worried ahead of the Clare game, Down don't look like they've a plan B against a blanket defence. But should hopefully get a result next Sunday. Another year in Div 3 would be no good for this team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 17, 2024, 09:18:50 PM
Still undefeated. But that was a difficult watch today. Game changed when Mooney went off imo. Thought when we got the goal we would push on but we were very rushed in our efforts today in front of the posts. Gilmore looked rusty and Mason the same. More game time for these lads is a must in the coming weeks before the championship kicks off.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 17, 2024, 10:45:27 PM
A player of O'Hagans quality may have been the difference today. Any word when he is back. It was thought later league stages.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lloyd p on March 17, 2024, 11:10:56 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 17, 2024, 09:18:50 PMStill undefeated. But that was a difficult watch today. Game changed when Mooney went off imo. Thought when we got the goal we would push on but we were very rushed in our efforts today in front of the posts. Gilmore looked rusty and Mason the same. More game time for these lads is a must in the coming weeks before the championship kicks off.
Watching a different game to me, thought Mooney was very quiet didn't contribute much before going off. Same as mcparland. Down pretty poor today but still could have won it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on March 17, 2024, 11:19:42 PM
Mooney has been average since returning, there are better options. The big problem today was the number of wides and needless fouls we gave away. Still when it mattered we got a score to level the game. Playing badly against the best team in the league and not losing is a good sign.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 18, 2024, 08:12:22 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on March 17, 2024, 11:19:42 PMMooney has been average since returning, there are better options. The big problem today was the number of wides and needless fouls we gave away. Still when it mattered we got a score to level the game. Playing badly against the best team in the league and not losing is a good sign.
Mooney needs game time to try and get back to where he was at. He doesn't look to have that pace that he used to have. Just need to get over the line against a good Clare team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on March 18, 2024, 11:39:47 AM
Thought it was a very poor performance yesterday. No score from play until 25th min and only 1 free before then. A lot of missed chances and unforced errors. Also stupid frees conceded that you don't see from the top teams. Another thing I noticed from the Offaly and Westmeath games we very rarely look like dispossessing the opposition when they are in possession. We just sit back and hope they miss their shot.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on March 18, 2024, 11:53:41 AM
Any word on Owen McCabe coming back from injury? Must be out about 12motnhs now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on March 18, 2024, 03:20:01 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 18, 2024, 08:12:22 AM
Quote from: DuffGael on March 17, 2024, 11:19:42 PMMooney has been average since returning, there are better options. The big problem today was the number of wides and needless fouls we gave away. Still when it mattered we got a score to level the game. Playing badly against the best team in the league and not losing is a good sign.
Mooney needs game time to try and get back to where he was at. He doesn't look to have that pace that he used to have. Just need to get over the line against a good Clare team.
He always plays in fits and starts, never a consistent player. He needs a club season imo before we should be looking at him for Down
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on March 19, 2024, 12:57:31 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on March 17, 2024, 10:08:04 AMI am not big into hurling but love Splash's posts. Very informative and no resorting to abusing anyone.
Great to see the hurlers making the league semi finals. Let's have an update on yesterday's game Splash and keep up the good work.
Quote from: ardtole on March 17, 2024, 11:48:52 AMSplash has certainly been a welcome addition to the Down forum. I enjoy the coverage of the ihc and jhc during the summer, games you would generally hear little about. It's encouraging to hear of progress at underage particularly at clubs like Castlewellan and CPN, where you would associate them more as football clubs.

Appreciate it. Just trying to keep as much hurling discussion going as possible. We all want the best for Down, Sandstorm,  ;D no call to resort to bickering or insulting anyone, and glad you find the talk about the junior and intermediate interesting,  Ardtole.

Glad yous are enjoying the bit of hurling discussion going on, lately.

Anyway, a great day out for the hurlers on Saturday. A 9 point win on such a miserable day. Not bad at all.

Daithí Sands was unreal, scoring 3-3 from play.

That relegates Meath and sends us into a league semi final. 70 minutes away from being back in Division One. Will now face Laois next week, in Laois.

Will be a very tough game. Down gave Laois a scare in the first round, and they'll not be expecting an easy game, and Laois will feel as though they're well fit to compete with Antrim, Westmeath, and Offaly next year. But Down have been going very good this season. Undefeated at home, and biggest loss was only 7 points after a late goal and some last minute frees by Laois in the first round.

Couple injuries and Eoghan Sands likely to miss the game after getting sent off the other day, but there's a good depth to this Down squad, so let's be hopeful.

Would be great to see Down in the Division One, and they've shown they're well fit to compete with the likes of Antrim, Westmeath, Offaly, etc.

Let's hope the momentum keeps going until Saturday.
 


Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 19, 2024, 07:39:06 AM
Quote from: Splash on March 19, 2024, 12:57:31 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on March 17, 2024, 10:08:04 AMI am not big into hurling but love Splash's posts. Very informative and no resorting to abusing anyone.
Great to see the hurlers making the league semi finals. Let's have an update on yesterday's game Splash and keep up the good work.
Quote from: ardtole on March 17, 2024, 11:48:52 AMSplash has certainly been a welcome addition to the Down forum. I enjoy the coverage of the ihc and jhc during the summer, games you would generally hear little about. It's encouraging to hear of progress at underage particularly at clubs like Castlewellan and CPN, where you would associate them more as football clubs.

Appreciate it. Just trying to keep as much hurling discussion going as possible. We all want the best for Down, Sandstorm,  ;D no call to resort to bickering or insulting anyone, and glad you find the talk about the junior and intermediate interesting,  Ardtole.

Glad yous are enjoying the bit of hurling discussion going on, lately.

Anyway, a great day out for the hurlers on Saturday. A 9 point win on such a miserable day. Not bad at all.

Daithí Sands was unreal, scoring 3-3 from play.

That relegates Meath and sends us into a league semi final. 70 minutes away from being back in Division One. Will now face Laois next week, in Laois.

Will be a very tough game. Down gave Laois a scare in the first round, and they'll not be expecting an easy game, and Laois will feel as though they're well fit to compete with Antrim, Westmeath, and Offaly next year. But Down have been going very good this season. Undefeated at home, and biggest loss was only 7 points after a late goal and some last minute frees by Laois in the first round.

Couple injuries and Eoghan Sands likely to miss the game after getting sent off the other day, but there's a good depth to this Down squad, so let's be hopeful.

Would be great to see Down in the Division One, and they've shown they're well fit to compete with the likes of Antrim, Westmeath, Offaly, etc.

Let's hope the momentum keeps going until Saturday.
 



how did they decide that Down have to play their semi final against Laois in Portlaoise? Seen the division 1 semi finals are at neutral venues.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 19, 2024, 08:01:59 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 19, 2024, 07:39:06 AM
Quote from: Splash on March 19, 2024, 12:57:31 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on March 17, 2024, 10:08:04 AMI am not big into hurling but love Splash's posts. Very informative and no resorting to abusing anyone.
Great to see the hurlers making the league semi finals. Let's have an update on yesterday's game Splash and keep up the good work.
Quote from: ardtole on March 17, 2024, 11:48:52 AMSplash has certainly been a welcome addition to the Down forum. I enjoy the coverage of the ihc and jhc during the summer, games you would generally hear little about. It's encouraging to hear of progress at underage particularly at clubs like Castlewellan and CPN, where you would associate them more as football clubs.

Appreciate it. Just trying to keep as much hurling discussion going as possible. We all want the best for Down, Sandstorm,  ;D no call to resort to bickering or insulting anyone, and glad you find the talk about the junior and intermediate interesting,  Ardtole.

Glad yous are enjoying the bit of hurling discussion going on, lately.

Anyway, a great day out for the hurlers on Saturday. A 9 point win on such a miserable day. Not bad at all.

Daithí Sands was unreal, scoring 3-3 from play.

That relegates Meath and sends us into a league semi final. 70 minutes away from being back in Division One. Will now face Laois next week, in Laois.

Will be a very tough game. Down gave Laois a scare in the first round, and they'll not be expecting an easy game, and Laois will feel as though they're well fit to compete with Antrim, Westmeath, and Offaly next year. But Down have been going very good this season. Undefeated at home, and biggest loss was only 7 points after a late goal and some last minute frees by Laois in the first round.

Couple injuries and Eoghan Sands likely to miss the game after getting sent off the other day, but there's a good depth to this Down squad, so let's be hopeful.

Would be great to see Down in the Division One, and they've shown they're well fit to compete with the likes of Antrim, Westmeath, Offaly, etc.

Let's hope the momentum keeps going until Saturday.
 



how did they decide that Down have to play their semi final against Laois in Portlaoise? Seen the division 1 semi finals are at neutral venues.

Home venue due to them finishing 2nd in the league and Down finishing 3rd.

One semi-final with the winner going on to meet Carlow in what should be a neutral venue.

With Eoghan Sands I'd fancy our chances against Laois, but he's going to be a big loss if the appeal isn't successful. Eoghan is having a stormer of a year for club and county.
John McManus hopes to be back from his hamstring injury and he'd his best game in a long time down there, he's living in our cryospa at the minute, very driven lad is John.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 19, 2024, 10:35:40 AM
To guarantee that there is a sizable turnout in Newry on Sunday, the county board ought to be exerting a great deal of effort this week. Is there any possibility of a doubleheader with the Down ladies? In the hopes that a parent will take them to the game, we should distribute tickets to every P7 student. We've never had a bigger game at home in years, and we need everyone behind the team on Sunday because we cannot fail.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 19, 2024, 10:58:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 19, 2024, 10:35:40 AMTo guarantee that there is a sizable turnout in Newry on Sunday, the county board ought to be exerting a great deal of effort this week. Is there any possibility of a doubleheader with the Down ladies? In the hopes that a parent will take them to the game, we should distribute tickets to every P7 student. We've never had a bigger game at home in years, and we need everyone behind the team on Sunday because we cannot fail.

I see there are reserve league fixtures for 11am on Sunday morning, with a few teams having to travel a fair distance for away games. That may impact attendance a little (or lead to several reserve teams not fielding).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ardstick on March 19, 2024, 01:52:46 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 19, 2024, 08:01:59 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on March 19, 2024, 07:39:06 AM
Quote from: Splash on March 19, 2024, 12:57:31 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on March 17, 2024, 10:08:04 AMI am not big into hurling but love Splash's posts. Very informative and no resorting to abusing anyone.
Great to see the hurlers making the league semi finals. Let's have an update on yesterday's game Splash and keep up the good work.
Quote from: ardtole on March 17, 2024, 11:48:52 AMSplash has certainly been a welcome addition to the Down forum. I enjoy the coverage of the ihc and jhc during the summer, games you would generally hear little about. It's encouraging to hear of progress at underage particularly at clubs like Castlewellan and CPN, where you would associate them more as football clubs.

Appreciate it. Just trying to keep as much hurling discussion going as possible. We all want the best for Down, Sandstorm,  ;D no call to resort to bickering or insulting anyone, and glad you find the talk about the junior and intermediate interesting,  Ardtole.

Glad yous are enjoying the bit of hurling discussion going on, lately.

Anyway, a great day out for the hurlers on Saturday. A 9 point win on such a miserable day. Not bad at all.

Daithí Sands was unreal, scoring 3-3 from play.

That relegates Meath and sends us into a league semi final. 70 minutes away from being back in Division One. Will now face Laois next week, in Laois.

Will be a very tough game. Down gave Laois a scare in the first round, and they'll not be expecting an easy game, and Laois will feel as though they're well fit to compete with Antrim, Westmeath, and Offaly next year. But Down have been going very good this season. Undefeated at home, and biggest loss was only 7 points after a late goal and some last minute frees by Laois in the first round.

Couple injuries and Eoghan Sands likely to miss the game after getting sent off the other day, but there's a good depth to this Down squad, so let's be hopeful.

Would be great to see Down in the Division One, and they've shown they're well fit to compete with the likes of Antrim, Westmeath, Offaly, etc.

Let's hope the momentum keeps going until Saturday.
 



how did they decide that Down have to play their semi final against Laois in Portlaoise? Seen the division 1 semi finals are at neutral venues.

Home venue due to them finishing 2nd in the league and Down finishing 3rd.

One semi-final with the winner going on to meet Carlow in what should be a neutral venue.

With Eoghan Sands I'd fancy our chances against Laois, but he's going to be a big loss if the appeal isn't successful. Eoghan is having a stormer of a year for club and county.
John McManus hopes to be back from his hamstring injury and he'd his best game in a long time down there, he's living in our cryospa at the minute, very driven lad is John.


some turnaround jonny. Ronan and his team have done a great job. Laois may be a step too far again but what a turnaround from some of the defeats last year. Setting up an interesting Joe McDonagh!!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 19, 2024, 02:23:11 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on March 19, 2024, 10:58:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 19, 2024, 10:35:40 AMTo guarantee that there is a sizable turnout in Newry on Sunday, the county board ought to be exerting a great deal of effort this week. Is there any possibility of a doubleheader with the Down ladies? In the hopes that a parent will take them to the game, we should distribute tickets to every P7 student. We've never had a bigger game at home in years, and we need everyone behind the team on Sunday because we cannot fail.

I see there are reserve league fixtures for 11am on Sunday morning, with a few teams having to travel a fair distance for away games. That may impact attendance a little (or lead to several reserve teams not fielding).

Why any reserve player would want to travel an hour for a friendly football game defies me.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 19, 2024, 02:55:00 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 19, 2024, 02:23:11 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on March 19, 2024, 10:58:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 19, 2024, 10:35:40 AMTo guarantee that there is a sizable turnout in Newry on Sunday, the county board ought to be exerting a great deal of effort this week. Is there any possibility of a doubleheader with the Down ladies? In the hopes that a parent will take them to the game, we should distribute tickets to every P7 student. We've never had a bigger game at home in years, and we need everyone behind the team on Sunday because we cannot fail.

I see there are reserve league fixtures for 11am on Sunday morning, with a few teams having to travel a fair distance for away games. That may impact attendance a little (or lead to several reserve teams not fielding).

Why any reserve player would want to travel an hour for a friendly football game defies me.

Why wouldn't they? Sure you could say that about most teams in the county playing any game then, as only a couple of teams are ever in contention for winning the SFC. Football is a hobby for the majority of players.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 19, 2024, 04:26:02 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on March 19, 2024, 02:55:00 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 19, 2024, 02:23:11 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on March 19, 2024, 10:58:07 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 19, 2024, 10:35:40 AMTo guarantee that there is a sizable turnout in Newry on Sunday, the county board ought to be exerting a great deal of effort this week. Is there any possibility of a doubleheader with the Down ladies? In the hopes that a parent will take them to the game, we should distribute tickets to every P7 student. We've never had a bigger game at home in years, and we need everyone behind the team on Sunday because we cannot fail.

I see there are reserve league fixtures for 11am on Sunday morning, with a few teams having to travel a fair distance for away games. That may impact attendance a little (or lead to several reserve teams not fielding).

Why any reserve player would want to travel an hour for a friendly football game defies me.

Why wouldn't they? Sure you could say that about most teams in the county playing any game then, as only a couple of teams are ever in contention for winning the SFC. Football is a hobby for the majority of players.

To put it another way, there should be less travel involved, which increases the likelihood that a reserve game will be played.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 20, 2024, 09:10:36 PM
Leaving the Dub tonight a very happy man. What a performance by the u20 team and management tonight - brilliant. Rode their luck at times but after the results of the previous round - EVERYONE could only see a Tyrone victory by a mammoth margin. Our lads stood tall and worked their socks off throughout. Let's hope this is the catalyst for this group going forward.
Well done 👏
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 21, 2024, 08:35:25 AM
A good point for the u20s.Clare women travel to Teconnaught on Sunday at 2 pm. Clare men travel to Newry on Sunday at 2 pm. Why can't this be a doubleheader?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 21, 2024, 04:28:54 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2024, 08:35:25 AMA good point for the u20s.Clare women travel to Teconnaught on Sunday at 2 pm. Clare men travel to Newry on Sunday at 2 pm. Why can't this be a doubleheader?



Two different organisations/associations (for now) - who gets the gate money? Pitches are atrocious at present with many club teams struggling to get onto their own little patch - playing two games in succession would simply not work.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 21, 2024, 06:11:07 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2024, 08:35:25 AMA good point for the u20s.Clare women travel to Teconnaught on Sunday at 2 pm. Clare men travel to Newry on Sunday at 2 pm. Why can't this be a doubleheader?



Last game in both leagues.. All need to kick off/finish at the same time so no match fixing etc.

Been this way for years can't bash GAA/LGFA on this one
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on March 21, 2024, 07:33:30 PM
That time of the year for transfer discussions already.

See on Armagh's twitter Danny Magee's club is listed as Liatroim.

Big loss for Ballyvarley if that is the case. He was their main attacking threat last year.

Another good addition to an already strong Liatroim attack. As has been said here before, Liatroim looked more exposed on other parts of the field last year than in their full forward line. Be interesting to see how they get on in those areas this season.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on March 23, 2024, 11:41:13 AM
Good luck to the Down hurlers in Portlaoise today. 70 minutes away from Division One hurling next year.

Good to see Paul Sheehan named to start. Great that he's stuck around for another year. Strong looking bench, too, which is great to see.

Down went toe to toe with Laois when they met in the first round of the league, until Laois won it right at the end. If Down can produce a similar performance, there's every chance they come out on top today.

One area I think Down have struggled in this year is they have simply been giving away too many frees. Hopefully we see minimal frees, and 15 men staying on the field.

Pressure will very much be on Laois today. Laois will feel like they need to be in Division One, and don't think many people will be giving Down much of a chance. Could give Down the opportunity to play a good brand of free flowing hurling, and sure then, who knows?

Down have really come a long way in the past couple years. Couldn't get out of Division 2B for ten years, and now they're playing their second Divison 2A promotion deciders in 3 years. It's been great to see. Onwards and upwards, hopefully.


Also, good luck to Glenn today with the opening of their new facilities and their match against Slaughtneil. Always good to see good facilities in the county, and Glenn look like a club with great potential.

Glenn had a bit of a hurling team back years and years ago. Who knows, maybe the Slaughtneil lads will bring the hurls and reignite a bit of interest in stick-ball about the place  :P
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 23, 2024, 03:34:58 PM
Some performance and win by the minor footballers today. Well done Benny and his back room team. Derry will be difficult in the final but it is a winnable game to put much needed silverware on the table.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 24, 2024, 08:45:22 AM
Tough game in Newry ahead. Clare look to be a good outfit. They had a last minute goal against westmeath wrongly chalked off. Pressure for Down. They didn't cope that geat with the pressure last week. This will be our most important game of the year. Another year in div 3 and heads will drop. Hopefully if we perform like we can then a win is there. Best of Luck to the team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on March 24, 2024, 09:01:45 AM
Yeah I expect tough game today. The stakes are high for Down football and the lavery project. Defeat today would be a big setback...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: burdizzo on March 24, 2024, 09:26:19 AM
Quote from: Splash on March 23, 2024, 11:41:13 AMGood luck to the Down hurlers in Portlaoise today. 70 minutes away from Division One hurling next year.

Good to see Paul Sheehan named to start. Great that he's stuck around for another year. Strong looking bench, too, which is great to see.

Down went toe to toe with Laois when they met in the first round of the league, until Laois won it right at the end. If Down can produce a similar performance, there's every chance they come out on top today.

One area I think Down have struggled in this year is they have simply been giving away too many frees. Hopefully we see minimal frees, and 15 men staying on the field.

Pressure will very much be on Laois today. Laois will feel like they need to be in Division One, and don't think many people will be giving Down much of a chance. Could give Down the opportunity to play a good brand of free flowing hurling, and sure then, who knows?

Down have really come a long way in the past couple years. Couldn't get out of Division 2B for ten years, and now they're playing their second Divison 2A promotion deciders in 3 years. It's been great to see. Onwards and upwards, hopefully.


Also, good luck to Glenn today with the opening of their new facilities and their match against Slaughtneil. Always good to see good facilities in the county, and Glenn look like a club with great potential.

Glenn had a bit of a hurling team back years and years ago. Who knows, maybe the Slaughtneil lads will bring the hurls and reignite a bit of interest in stick-ball about the place  :P

In the end, Laois won handily enough - and, indeed, wasted quite a few chances, too. Down had a good start, and were leading for, I dunno, the first ten or fifteen minutes, but Laois hit their stride and were clear at half-time. A goal early in the second half killed it off. Down seemed to get tired, and could barely score with the wind. In fact, they scored more against it in the first half. There was one great point from one of the wing backs late on, who stormed up the field, and put it over from about 50 out. Other than that, Laois seemed crisper and cuter in their hurling, and a little bit fitter.
One thing I did notice - not all the Down team are from Ards anymore. Has the game spread a bit in the county?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on March 24, 2024, 01:52:56 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on March 24, 2024, 09:26:19 AM
Quote from: Splash on March 23, 2024, 11:41:13 AMGood luck to the Down hurlers in Portlaoise today. 70 minutes away from Division One hurling next year.

Good to see Paul Sheehan named to start. Great that he's stuck around for another year. Strong looking bench, too, which is great to see.

Down went toe to toe with Laois when they met in the first round of the league, until Laois won it right at the end. If Down can produce a similar performance, there's every chance they come out on top today.

One area I think Down have struggled in this year is they have simply been giving away too many frees. Hopefully we see minimal frees, and 15 men staying on the field.

Pressure will very much be on Laois today. Laois will feel like they need to be in Division One, and don't think many people will be giving Down much of a chance. Could give Down the opportunity to play a good brand of free flowing hurling, and sure then, who knows?

Down have really come a long way in the past couple years. Couldn't get out of Division 2B for ten years, and now they're playing their second Divison 2A promotion deciders in 3 years. It's been great to see. Onwards and upwards, hopefully.


Also, good luck to Glenn today with the opening of their new facilities and their match against Slaughtneil. Always good to see good facilities in the county, and Glenn look like a club with great potential.

Glenn had a bit of a hurling team back years and years ago. Who knows, maybe the Slaughtneil lads will bring the hurls and reignite a bit of interest in stick-ball about the place  :P

In the end, Laois won handily enough - and, indeed, wasted quite a few chances, too. Down had a good start, and were leading for, I dunno, the first ten or fifteen minutes, but Laois hit their stride and were clear at half-time. A goal early in the second half killed it off. Down seemed to get tired, and could barely score with the wind. In fact, they scored more against it in the first half. There was one great point from one of the wing backs late on, who stormed up the field, and put it over from about 50 out. Other than that, Laois seemed crisper and cuter in their hurling, and a little bit fitter.
One thing I did notice - not all the Down team are from Ards anymore. Has the game spread a bit in the county?

Yes, and for the better.

The idea to have 5/6 teams in the club senior championship is paying off IMO and long may it continue even further.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 24, 2024, 03:54:59 PM
Well done to the footballers. Close 1st half but controlled the game in the 2nd half pulling up. Div 3 promotion achieved and undefeated. A game next sat night to look forward to in Croke Park.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 24, 2024, 04:38:39 PM
Congrats to the footballers - fantastic performance in what has been a great week for the big ball in the county.

Congrats also to our Longstone native who has achieved 3 consecutive relegations with 3 different counties. Takes some beating that but yet he still spoofs his way into jobs.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on March 24, 2024, 04:55:10 PM
Brilliant result for the footballers. The pressure was on and they delivered. They are defintely progressing.
We should win against Antrim in the championship but it wont be easy and if we do  it is likely to set up a clash with Armagh....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 24, 2024, 06:17:17 PM
Great result today, promotion was vital for this team. Probably wasn't as easy as the scoreline suggests, 2 goals in quick succession gave us a stress free last quarter. A trip to croke park now to look forward to. Well done all, first and probably most important target for the season achieved.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 24, 2024, 07:17:28 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 24, 2024, 04:38:39 PMCongrats to the footballers - fantastic performance in what has been a great week for the big ball in the county.

Congrats also to our Longstone native who has achieved 3 consecutive relegations with 3 different counties. Takes some beating that but yet he still spoofs his way into jobs.

I think he was over Castlewellan when they were relegated too.
Must have a big reputation as a coach amongst those who know about that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 24, 2024, 07:52:10 PM
By my reckoning Louth would need to reach the Leinster final and Down beat Westmeath next weekend to qualify for the All Ireland series via their league position.

Or, they will need to beat Antrim and Armagh to qualify via the Ulster championship.

By contrast Downs opponents today, Clare only have to beat a division 4 opponent Tipp or Waterford, to guarantee a 2nd seed position in the All Ireland series.

Definitely a flaw in the system.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on March 24, 2024, 08:28:53 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 24, 2024, 07:52:10 PMBy my reckoning Louth would need to reach the Leinster final and Down beat Westmeath next weekend to qualify for the All Ireland series via their league position.

Or, they will need to beat Antrim and Armagh to qualify via the Ulster championship.

By contrast Downs opponents today, Clare only have to beat a division 4 opponent Tipp or Waterford, to guarantee a 2nd seed position in the All Ireland series.

Definitely a flaw in the system.



What is the story with Down making it into the Sam Maguire?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on March 25, 2024, 02:19:13 AM
Quote from: Hard2Listen2 on March 24, 2024, 08:28:53 PM
Quote from: ardtole on March 24, 2024, 07:52:10 PMBy my reckoning Louth would need to reach the Leinster final and Down beat Westmeath next weekend to qualify for the All Ireland series via their league position.

Or, they will need to beat Antrim and Armagh to qualify via the Ulster championship.

By contrast Downs opponents today, Clare only have to beat a division 4 opponent Tipp or Waterford, to guarantee a 2nd seed position in the All Ireland series.

Definitely a flaw in the system.



What is the story with Down making it into the Sam Maguire?
It's the 8 provincial finalists plus Meath and then the next 7 best teams in the league. Down are 15th now after finishing top of Div 3 above the 2 relegated teams. It's most likely we will play for Sam but not certain
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: LosDodgers on March 25, 2024, 02:39:19 AM
Need to win next week and then hope Louth get to Leinster final which is not unlikely. Then Down will get the final All Ireland spot.

Think this team needs to be playing in All Ireland series as that's the next step in their development and will help when it comes to next seasons league.

Thoughts todays performance was excellent, very strong all round the field, made much better decisions in final third instead of playing that extra pass that we are sometimes guilty of.

Disappointing for John McGovern was the only real negative for today but I am sure we will see more of him come championship.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Leftmidfield on March 25, 2024, 11:41:55 AM
Quote from: LosDodgers on March 25, 2024, 02:39:19 AMNeed to win next week and then hope Louth get to Leinster final which is not unlikely. Then Down will get the final All Ireland spot.

Think this team needs to be playing in All Ireland series as that's the next step in their development and will help when it comes to next seasons league.

Thoughts todays performance was excellent, very strong all round the field, made much better decisions in final third instead of playing that extra pass that we are sometimes guilty of.

Disappointing for John McGovern was the only real negative for today but I am sure we will see more of him come championship.


What was the reasoning behind the substitution of John McGovern ? Was it solely down to his performance + black card ? He couldn't have been on the field of play for more than 15 mins so hard to make an impact in that space of time. I also see he took a knock to the head in his first involvement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: outinfront on March 25, 2024, 11:50:57 AM
I would think Laverty didn't want any risk of going down to 14 men permanently.  James Guinness was also subbed as was on a yellow following a ridiculous booking.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 25, 2024, 12:25:57 PM
Yeah McGovern came on for Guinness because of his early yellow. Then McGovern got black carded for trying to trip a clare player. Deserved to ve taken off for that alone. He put his team under pressure for a silly decision. I'm sure he will learn from that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on March 25, 2024, 01:52:05 PM
I thought the black card was very harsh, McGovern busted a gut to get back, I thought the westmeath man cut across him, there was a bit of a tangle alright, and if the referee had to have awarded the free against McGovern, it would have been sufficient in my opinion.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on March 25, 2024, 02:05:52 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 25, 2024, 12:25:57 PMYeah McGovern came on for Guinness because of his early yellow. Then McGovern got black carded for trying to trip a clare player. Deserved to ve taken off for that alone. He put his team under pressure for a silly decision. I'm sure he will learn from that.

Seemed a harsh call by the ref, as did Guinness' yellow card. The ref made some questionable decisions throughout the game, and doesn't seem like a ref who could handle a full tilt championship match anymore.

Laverty was taking no chances on players who had been carded, all were taken off soon after receiving their cards. It didn't negatively impact the performance on this occasion so good calls by the management.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Dayman on March 25, 2024, 02:46:40 PM
Quote from: Leftmidfield on March 25, 2024, 11:41:55 AMWhat was the reasoning behind the substitution of John McGovern ? Was it solely down to his performance + black card ? He couldn't have been on the field of play for more than 15 mins so hard to make an impact in that space of time. I also see he took a knock to the head in his first involvement.

We were standing in front of him when he got that hit, he got hit hard and looked very woozy directly afterwards. I understand the player wanting to play on but from where I was it didn't look like he should be. Probably shouldn't have been back on after the black card.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 25, 2024, 03:52:01 PM
A senior and minor league final, promotion to division 2, and a draw in the u20 versus Tyrone are all huge boosts for Down football. The last time a minor team made a final of any description was in 2009.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: LosDodgers on March 25, 2024, 05:49:32 PM
McGovern was unlucky, black card was harsh and stopped him from having a chance to really get into the game.

The second full forward position is defs up for grabs. Savage got a run at the start and then James Guinness but neither really grabbed the jersey. I thought Gilmore or Conor McCrickard would have got more game time but hasn't happened. Not sure how far away Barry O'Hagan is but defs an opportunity for someone to make their mark there so it could still well be McGovern.

Only other potential change I would want is O'Hare hitting 45s! Surely we have an alternative? Missed 3 and one of which was way out in the sideline...should not be taking that shot on, it's such a low percentage shot, if an outfield player took that shot he would probs be whipped straight off yet we allow our keeper to do it (and he ain't exactly Began, Morgan, Cluxton etc from 45s).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDúnAbú94 on March 26, 2024, 05:28:35 PM
Quote from: LosDodgers on March 25, 2024, 05:49:32 PMMcGovern was unlucky, black card was harsh and stopped him from having a chance to really get into the game.

The second full forward position is defs up for grabs. Savage got a run at the start and then James Guinness but neither really grabbed the jersey. I thought Gilmore or Conor McCrickard would have got more game time but hasn't happened. Not sure how far away Barry O'Hagan is but defs an opportunity for someone to make their mark there so it could still well be McGovern.

Only other potential change I would want is O'Hare hitting 45s! Surely we have an alternative? Missed 3 and one of which was way out in the sideline...should not be taking that shot on, it's such a low percentage shot, if an outfield player took that shot he would probs be whipped straight off yet we allow our keeper to do it (and he ain't exactly Began, Morgan, Cluxton etc from 45s).

In fairness, I think O'Hare has been pretty accurate from 45s this year before Sunday. I wouldn't be rushing to make a change after one bad day. Not sure who else would hit them anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 26, 2024, 08:28:48 PM
Quote from: AnDúnAbú94 on March 26, 2024, 05:28:35 PM
Quote from: LosDodgers on March 25, 2024, 05:49:32 PMMcGovern was unlucky, black card was harsh and stopped him from having a chance to really get into the game.

The second full forward position is defs up for grabs. Savage got a run at the start and then James Guinness but neither really grabbed the jersey. I thought Gilmore or Conor McCrickard would have got more game time but hasn't happened. Not sure how far away Barry O'Hagan is but defs an opportunity for someone to make their mark there so it could still well be McGovern.

Only other potential change I would want is O'Hare hitting 45s! Surely we have an alternative? Missed 3 and one of which was way out in the sideline...should not be taking that shot on, it's such a low percentage shot, if an outfield player took that shot he would probs be whipped straight off yet we allow our keeper to do it (and he ain't exactly Began, Morgan, Cluxton etc from 45s).

In fairness, I think O'Hare has been pretty accurate from 45s this year before Sunday. I wouldn't be rushing to make a change after one bad day. Not sure who else would hit them anyway.
2 of the 3 45s he took were way out on his left practically on the sideline
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on March 26, 2024, 09:46:50 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 24, 2024, 01:52:56 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on March 24, 2024, 09:26:19 AM
Quote from: Splash on March 23, 2024, 11:41:13 AMGood luck to the Down hurlers in Portlaoise today. 70 minutes away from Division One hurling next year.

Good to see Paul Sheehan named to start. Great that he's stuck around for another year. Strong looking bench, too, which is great to see.

Down went toe to toe with Laois when they met in the first round of the league, until Laois won it right at the end. If Down can produce a similar performance, there's every chance they come out on top today.

One area I think Down have struggled in this year is they have simply been giving away too many frees. Hopefully we see minimal frees, and 15 men staying on the field.

Pressure will very much be on Laois today. Laois will feel like they need to be in Division One, and don't think many people will be giving Down much of a chance. Could give Down the opportunity to play a good brand of free flowing hurling, and sure then, who knows?

Down have really come a long way in the past couple years. Couldn't get out of Division 2B for ten years, and now they're playing their second Divison 2A promotion deciders in 3 years. It's been great to see. Onwards and upwards, hopefully.


Also, good luck to Glenn today with the opening of their new facilities and their match against Slaughtneil. Always good to see good facilities in the county, and Glenn look like a club with great potential.

Glenn had a bit of a hurling team back years and years ago. Who knows, maybe the Slaughtneil lads will bring the hurls and reignite a bit of interest in stick-ball about the place  :P

In the end, Laois won handily enough - and, indeed, wasted quite a few chances, too. Down had a good start, and were leading for, I dunno, the first ten or fifteen minutes, but Laois hit their stride and were clear at half-time. A goal early in the second half killed it off. Down seemed to get tired, and could barely score with the wind. In fact, they scored more against it in the first half. There was one great point from one of the wing backs late on, who stormed up the field, and put it over from about 50 out. Other than that, Laois seemed crisper and cuter in their hurling, and a little bit fitter.
One thing I did notice - not all the Down team are from Ards anymore. Has the game spread a bit in the county?

Yes, and for the better.

The idea to have 5/6 teams in the club senior championship is paying off IMO and long may it continue even further.



Disappointing in the end. Started well and then unfortunately Laois took over. Purcell's goal really killed the game for Down.

Ah well.

Was a very encouraging league campaign. Were very competitive and came close to promotion. Next year Down will probably be favourites to win Div 2A unless Kerry or Kildare surpass us. Definitely going in The right direction. Tim Prenter been player of the league imo.

Time to now start focusing on the Joe McDonagh Cup. Arguably looking like a tougher campaign than the league. Will get another crack at Laois, but will also have to face Offaly and Westmeath, who have been no push overs in Division One this year.

Think Downs first game is at home to Meath which will be a must win game. Would be great to see Down reach the final and compete in the All Ireland series.

Great to see Antrim staying up, but would have loved to have got a crack at them this year. Think based on form, Down have been the best hurling team in Ulster so far this year.



Sheehan has done a great job of brining in players from other clubs. Have had players from Liatroim, Bredagh, Carryduff, Newry, Ballela, Clonduff, and Castlewellen in recent years. The expansion of the senior championship has been great.

Hopefully see a couple more clubs fielding hurling teams in the next couple years- can only do good for Down hurling.

The Ards clubs have done tremendous work for the hurling culture of Down over the past 50 years, but if Down are to take the next step, we need to grow hurling across the county.



Great to see the footballers coming back up to Division Two, and a day out to Croke Park at the weekend. Hopefully the good times keep on coming.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: LosDodgers on March 27, 2024, 03:19:57 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 26, 2024, 08:28:48 PM
Quote from: AnDúnAbú94 on March 26, 2024, 05:28:35 PM
Quote from: LosDodgers on March 25, 2024, 05:49:32 PMMcGovern was unlucky, black card was harsh and stopped him from having a chance to really get into the game.

The second full forward position is defs up for grabs. Savage got a run at the start and then James Guinness but neither really grabbed the jersey. I thought Gilmore or Conor McCrickard would have got more game time but hasn't happened. Not sure how far away Barry O'Hagan is but defs an opportunity for someone to make their mark there so it could still well be McGovern.

Only other potential change I would want is O'Hare hitting 45s! Surely we have an alternative? Missed 3 and one of which was way out in the sideline...should not be taking that shot on, it's such a low percentage shot, if an outfield player took that shot he would probs be whipped straight off yet we allow our keeper to do it (and he ain't exactly Began, Morgan, Cluxton etc from 45s).

In fairness, I think O'Hare has been pretty accurate from 45s this year before Sunday. I wouldn't be rushing to make a change after one bad day. Not sure who else would hit them anyway.
2 of the 3 45s he took were way out on his left practically on the sideline

That would be my issue! 2 of them where very low percentage shots, we should be working them into a more Scot able position since we don't have an elite free taker.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 27, 2024, 10:07:35 PM
Any report from U20 footy game tonight folks?? I heard the result just..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on March 29, 2024, 10:20:59 AM
Are the finals on Saturday not something we should be yelling about on social media?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 29, 2024, 02:14:11 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 29, 2024, 10:20:59 AMAre the finals on Saturday not something we should be yelling about on social media?
Why?
Croke pks already got 2 other finals on Sunday.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on March 29, 2024, 04:24:30 PM
Charlie Smyth signed by New Orleans Saints - Very well done 👏🏻
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thebar on March 29, 2024, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 29, 2024, 04:24:30 PMCharlie Smyth signed by New Orleans Saints - Very well done 👏🏻
Well done Charlie Smyth that is some achievement good luck to ya.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 29, 2024, 09:08:30 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 29, 2024, 04:24:30 PMCharlie Smyth signed by New Orleans Saints - Very well done 👏🏻
fair play to him, brilliant achievement.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 30, 2024, 07:52:15 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on March 29, 2024, 04:24:30 PMCharlie Smyth signed by New Orleans Saints - Very well done 👏🏻
Fantastic for the lad. Best of luck to him. It will be some experience.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on March 30, 2024, 07:57:49 AM
Well done Charlie. Great achievement.

Best of luck.

Is America the new Australia?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 30, 2024, 08:06:26 AM
Big game tonight. Looking forward to it. Wide open croke pk should suit Down. Need to get over the line in a final. I count I think 10 final losses since 1994. Ulster championships, all Ireland final, Tailteann, various leagues. Be a big boost to get the mentality right.  Also the added bonus of a step closer to Sam maguire competition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: KeyboardWman on March 30, 2024, 07:54:31 PM
Would be great to see a list of the full panel. New men in the warm up every week
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on March 30, 2024, 08:58:07 PM
Poor performance overall and not many players really played to their potential but great to see Barry O'Hagan back after a horrible injury last year where he questioned if he would ever play again in what was a diffuclt week personally for the community of Clonduff with the passing of Lorcan. Big focus now on the championship
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 30, 2024, 11:09:09 PM
Very poor performance. Dissapointing leaving croke pk. That all too familiar feel of defeat. Westmeath showed that they've been playing at a higher level. They're very well set up defensively, Down didn't get a clear goal scoring chance at all. Westmeath had a few. Was Ryan Johnson injured? Massive loss tonight. Rory Mason should've been on much sooner, if not starting. He never let's the team Down. McGovern given a start was very poor.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on March 30, 2024, 11:29:16 PM
Dissapointing outcome tonight. Is that 12 or 13 finals we have lost at senior level

We could do with more physicality in that squad if we are to compete at higher level. It was a big issue last year in tailteann final, against Armagh in ulster semi final and to some extent tonight. I know its easier said than done to address but that it will stall progress of this team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on March 30, 2024, 11:32:15 PM
The only good thing from tonight is that we will be in the B competition again - something we might have a chance of winning. Otherwise another nothing year.
Those who are pouring the money in to pay the management should think about their investment. £250k paid in two years would have a pitch ready in Ballykinlar.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on March 31, 2024, 12:20:56 AM
Disappointing night, very poor performance especially in the second half. We looked miles away from being a top tier team, slow build up play mixed with poor defending.  Westmeath weren't great either and didn't even have to play great to win.
 
McGovern starting was a strange one after his performance last week but he wasn't the only one to have a poor night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on March 31, 2024, 07:46:19 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on March 30, 2024, 11:32:15 PMThe only good thing from tonight is that we will be in the B competition again - something we might have a chance of winning. Otherwise another nothing year.
Those who are pouring the money in to pay the management should think about their investment. £250k paid in two years would have a pitch ready in Ballykinlar.
Tailteann is our level but we won't be winning it. Getting out of div 3 was the 1st goal. Very poor last night, I think really only  Kerr and Doherty played their normal solid performance. The rest were well below their norm, I count 11 final losses since 94. I'm not counting McKenna cup. Miles off the Armaghs of this world. I keep hearing them being compared to Derry. Nothing close to a Derry. We have no Glass, McGuigan etc.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on March 31, 2024, 09:21:32 AM
Worst performance of the Yr on the biggest stage. However promotion was the objective and that's ticked off. Total focus to championship now. Our defence still a major concern. Keeper very questionable for both goals last night. Not sure our capt offers enough either. We are short 3 or 4 players including a reliable free taker and a marquee forward. Reality is Down aren't good enough to compete for Sam. They are 16th in Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on March 31, 2024, 09:57:06 AM
Quote from: urbangael on March 31, 2024, 09:21:32 AMWorst performance of the Yr on the biggest stage. However promotion was the objective and that's ticked off. Total focus to championship now. Our defence still a major concern. Keeper very questionable for both goals last night. Not sure our capt offers enough either. We are short 3 or 4 players including a reliable free taker and a marquee forward. Reality is Down aren't good enough to compete for Sam. They are 16th in Ireland.
O'Hagan was that marquee forward until his injury. Kerr certainly has the potential to be sensational for Down but maybe needs to limit trying to do everything on his own
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on March 31, 2024, 10:27:15 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 30, 2024, 11:09:09 PMVery poor performance. Dissapointing leaving croke pk. That all too familiar feel of defeat. Westmeath showed that they've been playing at a higher level. They're very well set up defensively, Down didn't get a clear goal scoring chance at all. Westmeath had a few. Was Ryan Johnson injured? Massive loss tonight. Rory Mason should've been on much sooner, if not starting. He never let's the team Down. McGovern given a start was very poor.
McGovern showed poor awareness for the first goal ended up as last man totally caught ball watching, though O hare didn't cover himself in glory either. Downs lack of people able to kick the ball over the ball from thirty yards is worrying, continually ran the ball into blind alleys and passed up opportunities to take on responsibility.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on March 31, 2024, 10:59:31 AM
Quote from: statto on March 31, 2024, 10:27:15 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on March 30, 2024, 11:09:09 PMVery poor performance. Dissapointing leaving croke pk. That all too familiar feel of defeat. Westmeath showed that they've been playing at a higher level. They're very well set up defensively, Down didn't get a clear goal scoring chance at all. Westmeath had a few. Was Ryan Johnson injured? Massive loss tonight. Rory Mason should've been on much sooner, if not starting. He never let's the team Down. McGovern given a start was very poor.
McGovern showed poor awareness for the first goal ended up as last man totally caught ball watching, though O hare didn't cover himself in glory either. Downs lack of people able to kick the ball over the ball from thirty yards is worrying, continually ran the ball into blind alleys and passed up opportunities to take on responsibility.

He looked like a nervous wreck throughout.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: LosDodgers on March 31, 2024, 08:45:34 PM
I don't really blame O'Hare for the first goal. It's hard when the forward has a running jump, it's on McGovern to box him off and give the keeper a clean catch. Why was McGovern in that spot? But he fell asleep as part of an all round poor performance...strange that he was thrown in but hopefully he sticks at it and can have an impact the rest of the year.

I do feel O'Hare could have done better for second goal. His kick outs were decent but he really offers nothing coming out, just an extra body, I don't blame him here either as clearly that's not his game. If we are gonna insist ont at perhaps we need to try Marty Clarke or Anderson? Clarke giving time and space would be able to pick a pass...would also give us that elite free taker which we lack.

Overall a very disappointing result. Against a deep lying defense we couldn't penetrate, we need Havern, Murdock etc shooting from distance - pulls the defense out and creates space in behind then.

Kerr & Doc very good. No one else really had a good game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 02, 2024, 07:02:42 PM
Has anyone else had issues getting on to the county website recently? My browser tells me they have invalid certificates and doesn't let me on
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on April 02, 2024, 09:58:32 PM
Was walking to Croke Park the other day, and walked past the National Handball Centre.

Anyone know much about the state of handball in Down?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Sandstorm on April 02, 2024, 10:08:30 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 02, 2024, 07:02:42 PMHas anyone else had issues getting on to the county website recently? My browser tells me they have invalid certificates and doesn't let me on
Hi Anderson, no I have no problem getting on.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on April 02, 2024, 10:28:36 PM
Quote from: Splash on April 02, 2024, 09:58:32 PMWas walking to Croke Park the other day, and walked past the National Handball Centre.

Anyone know much about the state of handball in Down?



They have built a new one behind the car park at the Cusack Stand end.

Some set up now.

Not sure what they're doing with the old site.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 03, 2024, 09:28:27 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on April 02, 2024, 10:08:30 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 02, 2024, 07:02:42 PMHas anyone else had issues getting on to the county website recently? My browser tells me they have invalid certificates and doesn't let me on
Hi Anderson, no I have no problem getting on.
Strange. I've tried a couple of different browsers and on my phone as well. Must be a problem on my end then
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Square Ball on April 03, 2024, 02:32:59 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 03, 2024, 09:28:27 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on April 02, 2024, 10:08:30 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 02, 2024, 07:02:42 PMHas anyone else had issues getting on to the county website recently? My browser tells me they have invalid certificates and doesn't let me on
Hi Anderson, no I have no problem getting on.
Strange. I've tried a couple of different browsers and on my phone as well. Must be a problem on my end then

Working for me
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TakeTheMark on April 03, 2024, 04:33:30 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 03, 2024, 09:28:27 AM
Quote from: Sandstorm on April 02, 2024, 10:08:30 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 02, 2024, 07:02:42 PMHas anyone else had issues getting on to the county website recently? My browser tells me they have invalid certificates and doesn't let me on
Hi Anderson, no I have no problem getting on.
Strange. I've tried a couple of different browsers and on my phone as well. Must be a problem on my end then

I have it too. On your phone, click advanced at the bottom then proceed to www.downgaa.net
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Caitlin on April 05, 2024, 09:12:18 AM
Did Darragh Cross win their appeal to the DRA? What division will they play in ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 05, 2024, 10:43:55 AM
Quote from: Caitlin on April 05, 2024, 09:12:18 AMDid Darragh Cross win their appeal to the DRA? What division will they play in ?

They're in Div 4 according to the fixtures out for Friday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 05, 2024, 12:00:06 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 05, 2024, 10:43:55 AM
Quote from: Caitlin on April 05, 2024, 09:12:18 AMDid Darragh Cross win their appeal to the DRA? What division will they play in ?

They're in Div 4 according to the fixtures out for Friday night.

Think they lost the appeal - Dundrum and Drraghcross advertising the game for tonight
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Saffrongael on April 05, 2024, 12:43:57 PM
Clonduff club getting it tight

Co Down GAA club calls for prayers for player Charlie Brown who is in induced coma after an assault


Irish News

Co Down GAA club that has faced tragedy in recent weeks is urging the public to pray for one of its players after he was seriously assaulted last weekend.

Clonduff GAC player Charlie Brown is in an induced coma in intensive care at Belfast's Royal Victoria Hospital after being assaulted in Rostrevor last Sunday night.

According to the PSNI, man aged in his twenties was attacked outside a pub in the Bridge Street area of the town at around 9pm.

It was reported that a he fell to the ground following an altercation and was taken to Newry's Daisy Hill Hospital, before being transferred to Belfast.

The injured party and his brother Eamon, both nephews of Down All-Ireland winner Mickey Linden, were part of the Ulster University side that won the Sigerson Cup in February.

The assault happened just a week after Clonduff lost another player, Lorcán Branagan, in a tragic accident in Australia.


In a post on social media, the Hilltown club called for prayers for the injured player.

In a Facebook post, the club said: "Please pray for our senior footballer Charlie Brown, who is currently in intensive care.

"We are keeping Charlie, the Brown & Linden Families, his team mates & friends in our prayers at this very worrying time.

Wishing Charlie a full & speedy recovery - you've got this Charlie."


Ulster University GAA also urged people to pray for their teammate, whose parents Aidan and Attracta are understood to be at his bedside.

"Ulster University GAA is asking for your thoughts and prayers for Charlie Brown and for all his family at this very worrying time. Charlie remains in intensive care in an induced coma after an assault. We pray that Charlie makes a full and speedy recovery," a statement said

The Clonduff club was plunged into grief last month after Lorcán Branagan died in a tragic accident in Sydney, Australia.

His former school, St Mark's in Warrenpoint, launched a fundraiser for the Kevin Bell Repatriation Trust in his memory.

It was the second tragedy for his family after the death of his brother Peárce Branagan (23) from a suspected heart attack in June 2018.









Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheBarrel on April 05, 2024, 10:26:42 PM
Is sledging still a significant issue in footballing circles? I mostly take in hurling when I get the chance but happened to go to the Downpatrick and St. John's Drumnaquoilr contest on Wednesday with my nephew. Some of the abuse was shameful. Really personal stuff being dished out which I heard first hand. No place for this in our games
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 06, 2024, 07:09:48 AM
Any reports from the 1st round of fixtures last night? Anyone stand out?

Prayers and thoughts with Charlie Brown and his family, hopefully makes full recovery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 06, 2024, 10:12:16 AM
Quote from: TheBarrel on April 05, 2024, 10:26:42 PMIs sledging still a significant issue in footballing circles? I mostly take in hurling when I get the chance but happened to go to the Downpatrick and St. John's Drumnaquoilr contest on Wednesday with my nephew. Some of the abuse was shameful. Really personal stuff being dished out which I heard first hand. No place for this in our games

It's not something that I would be aware of in our game.
Sure, there are plenty of mouthpieces around the outside of the pitch but on the pitch I think it rarely gets worse than a bit of banter.
There are exceptions of course. I do remember a Downpatrick player allegedly being on the end of some horrible verbals a few years ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 06, 2024, 10:18:11 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on April 06, 2024, 07:09:48 AMAny reports from the 1st round of fixtures last night? Anyone stand out?

Prayers and thoughts with Charlie Brown and his family, hopefully makes full recovery.
Thought big James Rice had a great game for Rostrevor at full forward last night against An Riocht. Good hands. Surprisingly nimble on his feet for a big lad. Chipped in with a few scores and was instrumentle in the game winning goal. Rostrevor will be very hard to beat at Petit Park this year
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 06, 2024, 10:59:55 AM
Ballyholland were convincing winners over (what I assume is) a patchwork Burren side.

Those above pondering why Conor Laverty is making exceptions for John McGovern, would have had their eyes opened on a few occasions last night. Two teams bedecked with recent county minors and u20s, but it was easy to pick out the outstanding athlete on show.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on April 06, 2024, 04:49:55 PM
Quote from: TheBarrel on April 05, 2024, 10:26:42 PMIs sledging still a significant issue in footballing circles? I mostly take in hurling when I get the chance but happened to go to the Downpatrick and St. John's Drumnaquoilr contest on Wednesday with my nephew. Some of the abuse was shameful. Really personal stuff being dished out which I heard first hand. No place for this in our games

Went along to that game on Wednesday. Absolutely no truth in that at all. As a neutral there was no verbals whatsoever from either side in a very one sided affair. Home side got a bit ratty with the ref as the game ran away from them but that was inconsequential  Someone looking to stir the shit here
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 06, 2024, 06:17:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 06, 2024, 10:59:55 AMBallyholland were convincing winners over (what I assume is) a patchwork Burren side.

Those above pondering why Conor Laverty is making exceptions for John McGovern, would have had their eyes opened on a few occasions last night. Two teams bedecked with recent county minors and u20s, but it was easy to pick out the outstanding athlete on show.


Yes I have heard john is an exciting talent and athlete and genuinely hope he demonstrates this  in the upcoming USFC
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 06, 2024, 06:41:52 PM
Newry have a game next Saturday at 3pm and then championship is at 6pm. Wonder will he have a choice to make. Hopefully he sticks with Down, but if he fancys the soccer not much we can do.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: TheBarrel on April 07, 2024, 10:56:15 PM
Godsown - we must have been at 2 very different games then it seems. Either that or else we have a very different view on what's to be tolerated in our games.


And why would I want to "stir the shit" as you put it? I have no vested interest in either team. What are you insinuating?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 07, 2024, 11:43:12 PM
Westmeath last game in league lose to Sligo, the next week league final beat Down (most would say deservedly), the next week lose Leinster first round to Wicklow, make sense of that.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on April 08, 2024, 12:23:55 AM
It's that time of year. The hurling leagues start on Monday night and it could be an interesting year across all divisions.

ACHL Div 1:
Prediction for winner- Liatroim
Prediction for relegation- Castlewellen
Team to watch- Warrenpoint

Liatroim-
Last year's winners. Were competitive in the Senior Championship, and controversially missed out on a Senior Final. Were well fit to run with the Ards clubs in the championship, so you'd assume they'll have enough for the Ards seconds. Heard conflicting things about who's stayed and who's gone, so will be interesting to see what way they line out. They'll feel they were hard done by last year, and will have a point to prove, so I expect them to hit the ground running.

Portaferry IIs-
If anyone's going to give Liatroim a game, I'd say it will be Portaferry. They're a club that's going well. Expecting to see them in the final. I don't really think anyone else in the division outside Liatroim, Ballycran, and Ballygalget will have enough to trouble them.

Ballycran IIs-
Similar sort of situation to Portaferry . Should have enough to be competitive, and wouldn't be surprised to see them in a league final. Think we'll see a drop in standard from what we've been used to seeing from Ballycran in recent years, but I'd be surprised if that impacts their seconds this year. Well fit to win the league.

Ballygalget IIs-
Looking like it could be a tough year for Ballygalget firsts, which has me wondering, will this have a knock on effect on the reserves? They've some great players coming up, and they'll not fear anybody in the division.

Warrenpoint-
Potential surprise package of the year. Don't think the Point are yet at a stage where they can realistically win Division One, but they'll give it a fair rattle.  Mad depth in their squad, and some great hurlers in the ranks. Best of the rest, in my opinion.

Newry Shamrocks-
Have a feeling Shamrocks may struggle this year. May be wrong, and they've plenty of county standard players, but they don't seem to be going anywhere near as well as they were 2 years ago. Should still hold their own against most teams. Clash between them and the Point will be interesting.

Clonduff-
Could be a very rough year for the Hilltown men. Obviously very tragic circumstances surrounding the club at the minute, and also hear they're a lot of injuries. Retirement of former Antrim hurler Aaron Graffin will be a big miss. I'd expect them to have enough to just about avoid relegation, and when firing on all cylinders will be fit to compete with Shamrocks and CPN, but looks like it will be tough going.

Castlewellen-
Had an amazing league campaign last year before the wheels came off towards the end. Only won one game in the championship. Will be interesting to see if they can regroup and take any scalps. At the minute though, I can't see it, and think they'll go down. This is the level they want to be at, and in the coming years, they should be a competitive Div One side, but hard to see it this year. Local derby between them and Liatroim will be interesting.


ACHL Div 2:
Prediction for Winner-Ballycran IIIs
Prediction for promotion- Kilclief
Team to watch- East Belfast

Ballycran IIIs-
Not really a lot to say when it comes to the thirds. Combination of young fellas breaking in and former senior players. The fact that there'll likely be a few seconds players lining out at some point makes me think Ballycran should have enough to win Div 2 for the second year in a row.

Kilclief-
Funny one. Avoided relegation, but requested to come down. Won the junior championship, but apparently have lost a lot of players since. Struggled against Castlewellen and Ballyvarley in the Championship, but showed what they were capable of when it mattered against East Belfast. Expecting them to go up. East Belfast and Ballyvarley will want another crack at them, so some tough games in store. Think they've enough to go back up, though.

Bredagh IIs-
Bredagh continue to go from strength to strength at underage. If their seconds team begins to bleed in these hurlers form underage, who knows what way they'll get on. Of course, a large part of senior hurling is the physicality of it. All the same, don't see Bredagh dropping too many games.

Portaferry IIIs-
See comments on Ballycran thirds. Only difference is they seemed to struggle far more for numbers last year. Of course, it wouldn't be a surprise if they won the league. Will have to wait and see.

East Belfast-
Could be a potential shock and gain promotion. Showed they can be competitive in the championship. Will be interesting to see how they build after the championship final. Could get wins against anyone, but hard to see them getting enough wins consistently to go up. A team going from strength to strength.

Ballyvarley-
Decent league last year, and in the end unlucky not to get promoted. Probably came the closest to catching Kilclief in the Championship. In saying that, didn't win a game in the Championship. Seem to be coming out of the dark period they've found themselves in over the past decade. Will be interesting to see if they can continue to rebuild, but wondering how they'll cope after their key player has left. Did they rely too much on him for scores? Hard to predict what way they'll get on this year.

Ballela-
No two ways about it. Disastrous year last year for Ballela. Expecting far more from them this season. Some big names back, and been going well in the Ulster League. They'll want to ensure they don't fall into a bad patch, and I'd be expecting them to compete with most teams.

Carryduff IIs-
Probably underperformed in the end last year. Not a bad side, and good stuff coming up from underage that may start to make an impact at senior level. Hard to know what sort of team will turn up in Division 2.

Antrim ACHL Div 1:

Portaferry-
Sitting top of the Antrim league after a big opening win against Ballygalget. Look like they're going very well and have the players to really be competitive. As shown in Ulster last year, they're well fit to run with the best of Antrim. Could really give Div 1 a good rattle.

Ballycran-
Drew with Loughguile last week. No small feat. May be taking a small step backwards from where they were, but still well fit to mix it with anyone in the division, in my opinion.

Ballygalget-
Could be a rough year for Ballygalget. Sitting bottom of the division after being well beat by Portaferry. Just don't think they have the numbers at the minute to challenge the top teams. Some great players, but just not enough of them right now. Some injuries and some lads away travelling, I hear. Wouldn't look too much into one game, but hard to see them being as competitive as previous years.

Antrim ACHL Div 2:

Carryduff-
Could be a team to watch in this division. Good win over Loughguile puts them right up near the top of the table. Carryduff really underperformed last year in the intermediate final, in my opinion. Couple real, real good players in the ranks. Don't think last year showed the level they are really at, and expect them to give Antrim Div 2 a real lash. Could be the team to watch come the championship.

Antrim ACHL Div 3:

Bredagh-
Fully expecting Bredagh to dominate Antrim Div 3. At the end of the day, Bredagh are a senior championship club, and they will be playing against junior level clubs in Div 3. Already showed what they're capable of by laying down a big marker against Lamh Dhearg. Hear they've a very strong squad at the moment, and playing at this level could be the perfect opportunity for them to begin to bleed players into their first panel and ensure they build up momentum and are ticking nicely before the Championship. Should be a good start to the year for the Belfast men.


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Bit of a long post there, but the general consensus to the hurling discussions on here last season was mostly incredibly positive, with a lot of people saying they enjoyed the insight into the hurling landscape in the county.

As such, thought it would be a good idea to give a quick preview before the season starts to try and keep those who are interested up to date, especially considering we only have the couple senior hurling teams in Down and it's not hard to give each a mention.

I know some people won't like it, and thought of starting a new thread for this, but at the end of the day this a thread for club hurling.

Best of luck to all the teams. Looking forward to some good contests. Best time of the year for a club hurler.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 08, 2024, 08:36:39 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 07, 2024, 11:43:12 PMWestmeath last game in league lose to Sligo, the next week league final beat Down (most would say deservedly), the next week lose Leinster first round to Wicklow, make sense of that.
It doesn't say much for Down. Antrim could be difficult for Down on Saturday if they go defensive.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 08, 2024, 09:12:42 AM
I'd be fairly ignorant of the club hurling scene in Down. I think splash and jc give a great insight into it, and it's positive to see the game develop in parts of the county more associated with football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on April 08, 2024, 02:04:12 PM
Quote from: Splash on April 08, 2024, 12:23:55 AMIt's that time of year. The hurling leagues start on Monday night and it could be an interesting year across all divisions.

ACHL Div 1:
Prediction for winner- Liatroim
Prediction for relegation- Castlewellen
Team to watch- Warrenpoint

Liatroim-
Last year's winners. Were competitive in the Senior Championship, and controversially missed out on a Senior Final. Were well fit to run with the Ards clubs in the championship, so you'd assume they'll have enough for the Ards seconds. Heard conflicting things about who's stayed and who's gone, so will be interesting to see what way they line out. They'll feel they were hard done by last year, and will have a point to prove, so I expect them to hit the ground running.

Portaferry IIs-
If anyone's going to give Liatroim a game, I'd say it will be Portaferry. They're a club that's going well. Expecting to see them in the final. I don't really think anyone else in the division outside Liatroim, Ballycran, and Ballygalget will have enough to trouble them.

Ballycran IIs-
Similar sort of situation to Portaferry . Should have enough to be competitive, and wouldn't be surprised to see them in a league final. Think we'll see a drop in standard from what we've been used to seeing from Ballycran in recent years, but I'd be surprised if that impacts their seconds this year. Well fit to win the league.

Ballygalget IIs-
Looking like it could be a tough year for Ballygalget firsts, which has me wondering, will this have a knock on effect on the reserves? They've some great players coming up, and they'll not fear anybody in the division.

Warrenpoint-
Potential surprise package of the year. Don't think the Point are yet at a stage where they can realistically win Division One, but they'll give it a fair rattle.  Mad depth in their squad, and some great hurlers in the ranks. Best of the rest, in my opinion.

Newry Shamrocks-
Have a feeling Shamrocks may struggle this year. May be wrong, and they've plenty of county standard players, but they don't seem to be going anywhere near as well as they were 2 years ago. Should still hold their own against most teams. Clash between them and the Point will be interesting.

Clonduff-
Could be a very rough year for the Hilltown men. Obviously very tragic circumstances surrounding the club at the minute, and also hear they're a lot of injuries. Retirement of former Antrim hurler Aaron Graffin will be a big miss. I'd expect them to have enough to just about avoid relegation, and when firing on all cylinders will be fit to compete with Shamrocks and CPN, but looks like it will be tough going.

Castlewellen-
Had an amazing league campaign last year before the wheels came off towards the end. Only won one game in the championship. Will be interesting to see if they can regroup and take any scalps. At the minute though, I can't see it, and think they'll go down. This is the level they want to be at, and in the coming years, they should be a competitive Div One side, but hard to see it this year. Local derby between them and Liatroim will be interesting.


ACHL Div 2:
Prediction for Winner-Ballycran IIIs
Prediction for promotion- Kilclief
Team to watch- East Belfast

Ballycran IIIs-
Not really a lot to say when it comes to the thirds. Combination of young fellas breaking in and former senior players. The fact that there'll likely be a few seconds players lining out at some point makes me think Ballycran should have enough to win Div 2 for the second year in a row.

Kilclief-
Funny one. Avoided relegation, but requested to come down. Won the junior championship, but apparently have lost a lot of players since. Struggled against Castlewellen and Ballyvarley in the Championship, but showed what they were capable of when it mattered against East Belfast. Expecting them to go up. East Belfast and Ballyvarley will want another crack at them, so some tough games in store. Think they've enough to go back up, though.

Bredagh IIs-
Bredagh continue to go from strength to strength at underage. If their seconds team begins to bleed in these hurlers form underage, who knows what way they'll get on. Of course, a large part of senior hurling is the physicality of it. All the same, don't see Bredagh dropping too many games.

Portaferry IIIs-
See comments on Ballycran thirds. Only difference is they seemed to struggle far more for numbers last year. Of course, it wouldn't be a surprise if they won the league. Will have to wait and see.

East Belfast-
Could be a potential shock and gain promotion. Showed they can be competitive in the championship. Will be interesting to see how they build after the championship final. Could get wins against anyone, but hard to see them getting enough wins consistently to go up. A team going from strength to strength.

Ballyvarley-
Decent league last year, and in the end unlucky not to get promoted. Probably came the closest to catching Kilclief in the Championship. In saying that, didn't win a game in the Championship. Seem to be coming out of the dark period they've found themselves in over the past decade. Will be interesting to see if they can continue to rebuild, but wondering how they'll cope after their key player has left. Did they rely too much on him for scores? Hard to predict what way they'll get on this year.

Ballela-
No two ways about it. Disastrous year last year for Ballela. Expecting far more from them this season. Some big names back, and been going well in the Ulster League. They'll want to ensure they don't fall into a bad patch, and I'd be expecting them to compete with most teams.

Carryduff IIs-
Probably underperformed in the end last year. Not a bad side, and good stuff coming up from underage that may start to make an impact at senior level. Hard to know what sort of team will turn up in Division 2.

Antrim ACHL Div 1:

Portaferry-
Sitting top of the Antrim league after a big opening win against Ballygalget. Look like they're going very well and have the players to really be competitive. As shown in Ulster last year, they're well fit to run with the best of Antrim. Could really give Div 1 a good rattle.

Ballycran-
Drew with Loughguile last week. No small feat. May be taking a small step backwards from where they were, but still well fit to mix it with anyone in the division, in my opinion.

Ballygalget-
Could be a rough year for Ballygalget. Sitting bottom of the division after being well beat by Portaferry. Just don't think they have the numbers at the minute to challenge the top teams. Some great players, but just not enough of them right now. Some injuries and some lads away travelling, I hear. Wouldn't look too much into one game, but hard to see them being as competitive as previous years.

Antrim ACHL Div 2:

Carryduff-
Could be a team to watch in this division. Good win over Loughguile puts them right up near the top of the table. Carryduff really underperformed last year in the intermediate final, in my opinion. Couple real, real good players in the ranks. Don't think last year showed the level they are really at, and expect them to give Antrim Div 2 a real lash. Could be the team to watch come the championship.

Antrim ACHL Div 3:

Bredagh-
Fully expecting Bredagh to dominate Antrim Div 3. At the end of the day, Bredagh are a senior championship club, and they will be playing against junior level clubs in Div 3. Already showed what they're capable of by laying down a big marker against Lamh Dhearg. Hear they've a very strong squad at the moment, and playing at this level could be the perfect opportunity for them to begin to bleed players into their first panel and ensure they build up momentum and are ticking nicely before the Championship. Should be a good start to the year for the Belfast men.


——————————————————————————————————————————————————————

Bit of a long post there, but the general consensus to the hurling discussions on here last season was mostly incredibly positive, with a lot of people saying they enjoyed the insight into the hurling landscape in the county.

As such, thought it would be a good idea to give a quick preview before the season starts to try and keep those who are interested up to date, especially considering we only have the couple senior hurling teams in Down and it's not hard to give each a mention.

I know some people won't like it, and thought of starting a new thread for this, but at the end of the day this a thread for club hurling.

Best of luck to all the teams. Looking forward to some good contests. Best time of the year for a club hurler.




Thanks for this, always good to know what is happening on the hurling front
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 08, 2024, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: Splash on April 08, 2024, 12:23:55 AMIt's that time of year. The hurling leagues start on Monday night and it could be an interesting year across all divisions.

ACHL Div 1:
Prediction for winner- Liatroim
Prediction for relegation- Castlewellen
Team to watch- Warrenpoint

Liatroim-
Last year's winners. Were competitive in the Senior Championship, and controversially missed out on a Senior Final. Were well fit to run with the Ards clubs in the championship, so you'd assume they'll have enough for the Ards seconds. Heard conflicting things about who's stayed and who's gone, so will be interesting to see what way they line out. They'll feel they were hard done by last year, and will have a point to prove, so I expect them to hit the ground running.

Portaferry IIs-
If anyone's going to give Liatroim a game, I'd say it will be Portaferry. They're a club that's going well. Expecting to see them in the final. I don't really think anyone else in the division outside Liatroim, Ballycran, and Ballygalget will have enough to trouble them.

Ballycran IIs-
Similar sort of situation to Portaferry . Should have enough to be competitive, and wouldn't be surprised to see them in a league final. Think we'll see a drop in standard from what we've been used to seeing from Ballycran in recent years, but I'd be surprised if that impacts their seconds this year. Well fit to win the league.

Ballygalget IIs-
Looking like it could be a tough year for Ballygalget firsts, which has me wondering, will this have a knock on effect on the reserves? They've some great players coming up, and they'll not fear anybody in the division.

Warrenpoint-
Potential surprise package of the year. Don't think the Point are yet at a stage where they can realistically win Division One, but they'll give it a fair rattle.  Mad depth in their squad, and some great hurlers in the ranks. Best of the rest, in my opinion.

Newry Shamrocks-
Have a feeling Shamrocks may struggle this year. May be wrong, and they've plenty of county standard players, but they don't seem to be going anywhere near as well as they were 2 years ago. Should still hold their own against most teams. Clash between them and the Point will be interesting.

Clonduff-
Could be a very rough year for the Hilltown men. Obviously very tragic circumstances surrounding the club at the minute, and also hear they're a lot of injuries. Retirement of former Antrim hurler Aaron Graffin will be a big miss. I'd expect them to have enough to just about avoid relegation, and when firing on all cylinders will be fit to compete with Shamrocks and CPN, but looks like it will be tough going.

Castlewellen-
Had an amazing league campaign last year before the wheels came off towards the end. Only won one game in the championship. Will be interesting to see if they can regroup and take any scalps. At the minute though, I can't see it, and think they'll go down. This is the level they want to be at, and in the coming years, they should be a competitive Div One side, but hard to see it this year. Local derby between them and Liatroim will be interesting.


ACHL Div 2:
Prediction for Winner-Ballycran IIIs
Prediction for promotion- Kilclief
Team to watch- East Belfast

Ballycran IIIs-
Not really a lot to say when it comes to the thirds. Combination of young fellas breaking in and former senior players. The fact that there'll likely be a few seconds players lining out at some point makes me think Ballycran should have enough to win Div 2 for the second year in a row.

Kilclief-
Funny one. Avoided relegation, but requested to come down. Won the junior championship, but apparently have lost a lot of players since. Struggled against Castlewellen and Ballyvarley in the Championship, but showed what they were capable of when it mattered against East Belfast. Expecting them to go up. East Belfast and Ballyvarley will want another crack at them, so some tough games in store. Think they've enough to go back up, though.

Bredagh IIs-
Bredagh continue to go from strength to strength at underage. If their seconds team begins to bleed in these hurlers form underage, who knows what way they'll get on. Of course, a large part of senior hurling is the physicality of it. All the same, don't see Bredagh dropping too many games.

Portaferry IIIs-
See comments on Ballycran thirds. Only difference is they seemed to struggle far more for numbers last year. Of course, it wouldn't be a surprise if they won the league. Will have to wait and see.

East Belfast-
Could be a potential shock and gain promotion. Showed they can be competitive in the championship. Will be interesting to see how they build after the championship final. Could get wins against anyone, but hard to see them getting enough wins consistently to go up. A team going from strength to strength.

Ballyvarley-
Decent league last year, and in the end unlucky not to get promoted. Probably came the closest to catching Kilclief in the Championship. In saying that, didn't win a game in the Championship. Seem to be coming out of the dark period they've found themselves in over the past decade. Will be interesting to see if they can continue to rebuild, but wondering how they'll cope after their key player has left. Did they rely too much on him for scores? Hard to predict what way they'll get on this year.

Ballela-
No two ways about it. Disastrous year last year for Ballela. Expecting far more from them this season. Some big names back, and been going well in the Ulster League. They'll want to ensure they don't fall into a bad patch, and I'd be expecting them to compete with most teams.

Carryduff IIs-
Probably underperformed in the end last year. Not a bad side, and good stuff coming up from underage that may start to make an impact at senior level. Hard to know what sort of team will turn up in Division 2.

Antrim ACHL Div 1:

Portaferry-
Sitting top of the Antrim league after a big opening win against Ballygalget. Look like they're going very well and have the players to really be competitive. As shown in Ulster last year, they're well fit to run with the best of Antrim. Could really give Div 1 a good rattle.

Ballycran-
Drew with Loughguile last week. No small feat. May be taking a small step backwards from where they were, but still well fit to mix it with anyone in the division, in my opinion.

Ballygalget-
Could be a rough year for Ballygalget. Sitting bottom of the division after being well beat by Portaferry. Just don't think they have the numbers at the minute to challenge the top teams. Some great players, but just not enough of them right now. Some injuries and some lads away travelling, I hear. Wouldn't look too much into one game, but hard to see them being as competitive as previous years.

Antrim ACHL Div 2:

Carryduff-
Could be a team to watch in this division. Good win over Loughguile puts them right up near the top of the table. Carryduff really underperformed last year in the intermediate final, in my opinion. Couple real, real good players in the ranks. Don't think last year showed the level they are really at, and expect them to give Antrim Div 2 a real lash. Could be the team to watch come the championship.

Antrim ACHL Div 3:

Bredagh-
Fully expecting Bredagh to dominate Antrim Div 3. At the end of the day, Bredagh are a senior championship club, and they will be playing against junior level clubs in Div 3. Already showed what they're capable of by laying down a big marker against Lamh Dhearg. Hear they've a very strong squad at the moment, and playing at this level could be the perfect opportunity for them to begin to bleed players into their first panel and ensure they build up momentum and are ticking nicely before the Championship. Should be a good start to the year for the Belfast men.


——————————————————————————————————————————————————————

Bit of a long post there, but the general consensus to the hurling discussions on here last season was mostly incredibly positive, with a lot of people saying they enjoyed the insight into the hurling landscape in the county.

As such, thought it would be a good idea to give a quick preview before the season starts to try and keep those who are interested up to date, especially considering we only have the couple senior hurling teams in Down and it's not hard to give each a mention.

I know some people won't like it, and thought of starting a new thread for this, but at the end of the day this a thread for club hurling.

Best of luck to all the teams. Looking forward to some good contests. Best time of the year for a club hurler.





Some of our young guns will get a run out tonight so it'll be interesting how they fair (if not pulled by U20 management) which is probably a good thing as the minor league has all the hallmarks of being a disaster yet again this year.

I'm hearing O'Rahillys have pulled out of it but some of the Castlewellan lads are now playing for Portaferry under sanctions...

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 09, 2024, 02:27:12 PM
Potentially good news for Truth Hurts, East Down and Down in general;

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/councillors-overturn-decision-not-to-back-eu-funding-application-by-down-gaa-for-new-centre-of-excellence-AZVJTRKBYZF4BKUJLS2XERJZSQ/ (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/councillors-overturn-decision-not-to-back-eu-funding-application-by-down-gaa-for-new-centre-of-excellence-AZVJTRKBYZF4BKUJLS2XERJZSQ/)

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 09, 2024, 04:53:05 PM
Ballykinlar would be wonderful for the residents of East Down who must travel to Armagh to watch Down.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 09, 2024, 04:59:36 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 09, 2024, 04:53:05 PMBallykinlar would be wonderful for the residents of East Down who must travel to Armagh to watch Down.

I hope they build a jetty for the Ards people.

The St Brendan would do a roaring trade.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2024, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 09, 2024, 02:27:12 PMPotentially good news for Truth Hurts, East Down and Down in general;

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/councillors-overturn-decision-not-to-back-eu-funding-application-by-down-gaa-for-new-centre-of-excellence-AZVJTRKBYZF4BKUJLS2XERJZSQ/ (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/councillors-overturn-decision-not-to-back-eu-funding-application-by-down-gaa-for-new-centre-of-excellence-AZVJTRKBYZF4BKUJLS2XERJZSQ/)



Decidedly mixed feelings on this.


Short term, something is needed. Badly.
Medium term, its probably at a good price and on a sandy base to save some costs in drainage installation.
Long term, its a poor geographic location at the end of very bad roads.


Here (https://www.propertypal.com/46-kilmegan-road-castlewellan/935272) is 17 acres of land just off the main Castlewellan Clough road.
Yeah, its ~£300k and you could probably fit in only 3 pitches. But in a ~£12m project, is 3% more worth it when your then located just off a main road slap bang in the (GAA) centroid of the county?


Its only a 25 year lease the county board have on the site. Amortised, thats ~£500k a year then the MoD could potentially pull the rug out from under you?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 09, 2024, 09:37:42 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2024, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 09, 2024, 02:27:12 PMPotentially good news for Truth Hurts, East Down and Down in general;

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/councillors-overturn-decision-not-to-back-eu-funding-application-by-down-gaa-for-new-centre-of-excellence-AZVJTRKBYZF4BKUJLS2XERJZSQ/ (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/councillors-overturn-decision-not-to-back-eu-funding-application-by-down-gaa-for-new-centre-of-excellence-AZVJTRKBYZF4BKUJLS2XERJZSQ/)



Decidedly mixed feelings on this.


Short term, something is needed. Badly.
Medium term, its probably at a good price and on a sandy base to save some costs in drainage installation.
Long term, its a poor geographic location at the end of very bad roads.


Here (https://www.propertypal.com/46-kilmegan-road-castlewellan/935272) is 17 acres of land just off the main Castlewellan Clough road.
Yeah, its ~£300k and you could probably fit in only 3 pitches. But in a ~£12m project, is 3% more worth it when your then located just off a main road slap bang in the (GAA) centroid of the county?


Its only a 25 year lease the county board have on the site. Amortised, thats ~£500k a year then the MoD could potentially pull the rug out from under you?

Near Castlewellan is a slightly better location, but how likely would it be to get planning permission there? Look at the access road for example. A lot of drama made about the road to Ballykinlar, which is an A road and 5mins from Clough (and 15mins from Castlewellan).
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 09, 2024, 09:51:42 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on April 09, 2024, 09:37:42 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2024, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 09, 2024, 02:27:12 PMPotentially good news for Truth Hurts, East Down and Down in general;

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/councillors-overturn-decision-not-to-back-eu-funding-application-by-down-gaa-for-new-centre-of-excellence-AZVJTRKBYZF4BKUJLS2XERJZSQ/ (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/councillors-overturn-decision-not-to-back-eu-funding-application-by-down-gaa-for-new-centre-of-excellence-AZVJTRKBYZF4BKUJLS2XERJZSQ/)



Decidedly mixed feelings on this.


Short term, something is needed. Badly.
Medium term, its probably at a good price and on a sandy base to save some costs in drainage installation.
Long term, its a poor geographic location at the end of very bad roads.


Here (https://www.propertypal.com/46-kilmegan-road-castlewellan/935272) is 17 acres of land just off the main Castlewellan Clough road.
Yeah, its ~£300k and you could probably fit in only 3 pitches. But in a ~£12m project, is 3% more worth it when your then located just off a main road slap bang in the (GAA) centroid of the county?


Its only a 25 year lease the county board have on the site. Amortised, thats ~£500k a year then the MoD could potentially pull the rug out from under you?

Near Castlewellan is a slightly better location, but how likely would it be to get planning permission there? Look at the access road for example. A lot of drama made about the road to Ballykinlar, which is an A road and 5mins from Clough (and 15mins from Castlewellan).

It's 'A' shite road
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2024, 10:19:51 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 09, 2024, 09:51:42 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on April 09, 2024, 09:37:42 PMNear Castlewellan is a slightly better location, but how likely would it be to get planning permission there? Look at the access road for example. A lot of drama made about the road to Ballykinlar, which is an A road and 5mins from Clough (and 15mins from Castlewellan).

It's 'A' shite road

Agreed its a shite road and its a bit of a misnomer to hide behind an arbitrary designation of "A" road.

The only significant problem with that location at the Finn is indeed the junction onto the main road which I'll freely admit is currently a crap one with cars flying over that brow coming from Castlewellan. But placing up smart signalling like this (https://www.clearview-intelligence.com/solutions/hazards/junction-warning-system/) would go a long way to mitigating the problem. Other than that, hard to see the roots of any planning objections.

But lets not lose the forest for trees - that land is literally me querying propertypal this evening. More suitable have probable been ignored over the years to chase Ballykinlar and more suitable will probably coming up over the next few years too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 10, 2024, 06:35:48 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 09, 2024, 09:51:42 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on April 09, 2024, 09:37:42 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2024, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 09, 2024, 02:27:12 PMPotentially good news for Truth Hurts, East Down and Down in general;

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/councillors-overturn-decision-not-to-back-eu-funding-application-by-down-gaa-for-new-centre-of-excellence-AZVJTRKBYZF4BKUJLS2XERJZSQ/ (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/councillors-overturn-decision-not-to-back-eu-funding-application-by-down-gaa-for-new-centre-of-excellence-AZVJTRKBYZF4BKUJLS2XERJZSQ/)



Decidedly mixed feelings on this.


Short term, something is needed. Badly.
Medium term, its probably at a good price and on a sandy base to save some costs in drainage installation.
Long term, its a poor geographic location at the end of very bad roads.


Here (https://www.propertypal.com/46-kilmegan-road-castlewellan/935272) is 17 acres of land just off the main Castlewellan Clough road.
Yeah, its ~£300k and you could probably fit in only 3 pitches. But in a ~£12m project, is 3% more worth it when your then located just off a main road slap bang in the (GAA) centroid of the county?


Its only a 25 year lease the county board have on the site. Amortised, thats ~£500k a year then the MoD could potentially pull the rug out from under you?

Near Castlewellan is a slightly better location, but how likely would it be to get planning permission there? Look at the access road for example. A lot of drama made about the road to Ballykinlar, which is an A road and 5mins from Clough (and 15mins from Castlewellan).

It's 'A' shite road

I would seriously question a person's ability to drive if they can't navigate that road.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 10, 2024, 08:15:52 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on April 10, 2024, 06:35:48 AM
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 09, 2024, 09:51:42 PM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on April 09, 2024, 09:37:42 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on April 09, 2024, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 09, 2024, 02:27:12 PMPotentially good news for Truth Hurts, East Down and Down in general;

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/councillors-overturn-decision-not-to-back-eu-funding-application-by-down-gaa-for-new-centre-of-excellence-AZVJTRKBYZF4BKUJLS2XERJZSQ/ (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/councillors-overturn-decision-not-to-back-eu-funding-application-by-down-gaa-for-new-centre-of-excellence-AZVJTRKBYZF4BKUJLS2XERJZSQ/)



Decidedly mixed feelings on this.


Short term, something is needed. Badly.
Medium term, its probably at a good price and on a sandy base to save some costs in drainage installation.
Long term, its a poor geographic location at the end of very bad roads.


Here (https://www.propertypal.com/46-kilmegan-road-castlewellan/935272) is 17 acres of land just off the main Castlewellan Clough road.
Yeah, its ~£300k and you could probably fit in only 3 pitches. But in a ~£12m project, is 3% more worth it when your then located just off a main road slap bang in the (GAA) centroid of the county?


Its only a 25 year lease the county board have on the site. Amortised, thats ~£500k a year then the MoD could potentially pull the rug out from under you?

Near Castlewellan is a slightly better location, but how likely would it be to get planning permission there? Look at the access road for example. A lot of drama made about the road to Ballykinlar, which is an A road and 5mins from Clough (and 15mins from Castlewellan).

It's 'A' shite road

I would seriously question a person's ability to drive if they can't navigate that road.

Being from the peninsula I'm happy enough with Ballykinlar but no one can deny it's a shíte road no matter what way you cut it.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 12, 2024, 08:16:44 AM
Shíte weather is having a major impact on fixtures;

chara

CCC have met this evening and given the current weather conditions have decided to postpone all fixtures, adult and juvenile, football and hurling scheduled for Saturday 13th and Sunday 14th of April.


CCC will review matters again on Sunday evening in relation to the coming week.


The All County League Fixtures scheduled for tomorrow night Friday proceed as planned and Clubs are reminded of the protocol surrounding postponements.


Is mise le meas

Seán Óg 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 12, 2024, 08:33:20 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 12, 2024, 08:16:44 AMShíte weather is having a major impact on fixtures;

chara

CCC have met this evening and given the current weather conditions have decided to postpone all fixtures, adult and juvenile, football and hurling scheduled for Saturday 13th and Sunday 14th of April.


CCC will review matters again on Sunday evening in relation to the coming week.


The All County League Fixtures scheduled for tomorrow night Friday proceed as planned and Clubs are reminded of the protocol surrounding postponements.


Is mise le meas

Seán Óg

It sounds like there are plenty of clubs really struggling with their pitches at the minute, especially those clubs with only one pitch. In this case I think it's the right decision. It could also mean a slightly bigger crowd at the county game, with no premier reserve games tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 12, 2024, 08:43:53 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on April 12, 2024, 08:33:20 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 12, 2024, 08:16:44 AMShíte weather is having a major impact on fixtures;

chara

CCC have met this evening and given the current weather conditions have decided to postpone all fixtures, adult and juvenile, football and hurling scheduled for Saturday 13th and Sunday 14th of April.


CCC will review matters again on Sunday evening in relation to the coming week.


The All County League Fixtures scheduled for tomorrow night Friday proceed as planned and Clubs are reminded of the protocol surrounding postponements.


Is mise le meas

Seán Óg

It sounds like there are plenty of clubs really struggling with their pitches at the minute, especially those clubs with only one pitch. In this case I think it's the right decision. It could also mean a slightly bigger crowd at the county game, with no premier reserve games tomorrow.

The county LGFA has declared that their games will still take place. Would it not make sense, for example, to cancel their games as well, giving the clubs a natural break?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 12, 2024, 08:53:49 AM
Of course it would make sense Truth. But there's a few involved in running LFGA who live for these moments.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Walt Jabsco on April 12, 2024, 09:30:06 AM
Just a few??
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 12, 2024, 09:39:58 AM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on April 12, 2024, 09:30:06 AMJust a few??
:)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 12, 2024, 10:00:34 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 12, 2024, 08:43:53 AM
Quote from: manwithnoplan on April 12, 2024, 08:33:20 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 12, 2024, 08:16:44 AMShíte weather is having a major impact on fixtures;

chara

CCC have met this evening and given the current weather conditions have decided to postpone all fixtures, adult and juvenile, football and hurling scheduled for Saturday 13th and Sunday 14th of April.


CCC will review matters again on Sunday evening in relation to the coming week.


The All County League Fixtures scheduled for tomorrow night Friday proceed as planned and Clubs are reminded of the protocol surrounding postponements.


Is mise le meas

Seán Óg

It sounds like there are plenty of clubs really struggling with their pitches at the minute, especially those clubs with only one pitch. In this case I think it's the right decision. It could also mean a slightly bigger crowd at the county game, with no premier reserve games tomorrow.

The county LGFA has declared that their games will still take place. Would it not make sense, for example, to cancel their games as well, giving the clubs a natural break?

It certainly would make sense.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: razor on April 12, 2024, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 12, 2024, 08:53:49 AMOf course it would make sense Truth. But there's a few involved in running LFGA who live for these moments.

Name and shame Wobbler
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 12, 2024, 12:29:15 PM
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on April 12, 2024, 09:30:06 AMJust a few??

You just make sure Liatroim is in tip top condition for Sundays game(s).

I'll be over for a cup of tea and a bun, any maybe a few egg and onion sandwiches  ;)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownGael71 on April 12, 2024, 09:17:53 PM
So play senior men's football but don't allow senior ladies football to proceed?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 12, 2024, 09:55:46 PM
Quote from: DownGael71 on April 12, 2024, 09:17:53 PMSo play senior men's football but don't allow senior ladies football to proceed?

There's more than Senior Ladies fixtures on any given weekend.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownGael71 on April 12, 2024, 10:03:41 PM
Correct but why would anyone think it's okay for senior men's fixtures to go ahead tonight and not allow ladies fixtures tomorrow?    From what they put on social media, they plan on accessing based on weather as they go.  Think only other ladies fixtures is u14s
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 12, 2024, 11:31:11 PM
Harps showed heart in the closing quarter, but Point were deserving winners tonight.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on April 13, 2024, 12:56:27 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 12, 2024, 11:31:11 PMHarps showed heart in the closing quarter, but Point were deserving winners tonight.


Who are the senior club team managers this year in Down senior league?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Splash on April 13, 2024, 01:43:19 AM
The talk on here of Ballykinlar over the past couple days got me thinking- what is the situation of the Ballykinlar club at the moment?

I was under the impression the club had folded, with them not fielding a team in Division 4 this year. Similar to Newry Mitchells. 

But their social media is still active. They have raffles and monthly draws, and, most interestingly, according to their Facebook, there were membership fees for this year.

This would mean the club is still going? But it simply does not field an adult men's football team in the ACFL?

Do they field underage teams?

There's bound to be a couple fellas in the area who would be playing football- do they simply play for neighbouring parishes like  Dundrum or Bright?

If Ballykinlar fielded a team next year, what would be a successful year for them?

Very unique situation for a club, and hope that some day they do return to competitive football.

Regardless of anyone's opinion on choosing Ballykinlar as the site of a centre of excellence, if the project does indeed come to fruition, would it encourage an uptake of GAA in the area and a revival of the club?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownGael71 on April 13, 2024, 08:40:40 AM
They still have Go Games and amalgamations at underage.  They are trying to steady the ship and keep building but unfortunately their biggest problem is population.  Their nursery school closed due to no pupils and then their primary school has really small numbers.  Then there is the problem of sharing a parish with Dundrum so competing for players.  Hopefully what they are doing now will help keep them going
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: supersub on April 13, 2024, 09:44:41 AM
Quote from: DownGael71 on April 12, 2024, 10:03:41 PMCorrect but why would anyone think it's okay for senior men's fixtures to go ahead tonight and not allow ladies fixtures tomorrow?    From what they put on social media, they plan on accessing based on weather as they go.  Think only other ladies fixtures is u14s


Not sure, but I don't think that was really the point of the post. The real mind blowing logistic of the weekend isn't to do with the weather, it's the fact that there are Senior Ladies fixtures at 7pm and the County Senior team are playing at 6pm in Newry in the Ulster Championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownGael71 on April 13, 2024, 09:50:46 PM
All clubs were emailed and told if they wanted to change fixture they could.  I'm sure same email will be issued from Down GAA re: ACRFL next Sunday for the Down v Cavan championship game. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 13, 2024, 10:22:31 PM
That was a very poor performance by Down tonight.  Why throw 3 guys in to start who had played little or no league football? Seemed a strange move. I'd fear what Armagh will do to them.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 13, 2024, 10:33:54 PM
Very poor performance tonight, a win is a win but two poor performances in a row is worrying. We're struggling to get scores and failed to get any sort of dominance with the wind in the second half.
Limped over the line in the end.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 13, 2024, 10:50:47 PM
That was a very poor performance but will take a win and poor performance any day than a defeat with a great display. Still unbeaten in newry under Laverty and if as expected Armagh win tomorrow - we have a great game in store in a few weeks. Havern must be hurt for him to come off but injured players coming through unscathed and vital minutes in their legs is another positive..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 13, 2024, 11:21:22 PM
McGeeneys mighty men will be expected to thump us
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on April 14, 2024, 01:11:25 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 13, 2024, 11:21:22 PMMcGeeneys mighty men will be expected to thump us

In the same way they did last year you mean?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on April 14, 2024, 07:41:41 AM
A game littered with loads of basic mistakes from 2 mediocre teams. You'd wonder what these lads do at all these training sessions. Poor game and definitely not worth the admission fee. The club match on Friday evening was better. Some strange selection choices from Lav that in truth offered nothing. We are crying out for a scoring forward. No goals scored again. Awful crowd and shite atmosphere but we are in the semis. I'd give us a 5% chance of making the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 14, 2024, 08:56:34 AM
20 pound in to watch that is crazy money. No wonder only 4k turned up. There was a but of a buzz last year, that's gone now. Same old souls turning uo in hope that it will change. But what do you do? Do we have the footballers? Armagh took a longtime to get to where they are today under McGeeney. We need to stick with it,  i thought when Laverty started he needed 5 years, and I still believe that. You don't come from such a low starting point to being competitive with the likes of Armagh,Monaghan, roscommons etc overnight, unless you have a good foundation. Down hadn't won anything at any level since 2009 before Laverty came in. Our size is a major issue though. Has been for years. I'd be happy with a 5 point defeat to Armagh. We have little or no chance, and if we play like we did last night it's a thumping in the kip clones again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 14, 2024, 09:11:32 AM
Quote from: ranch on April 14, 2024, 01:11:25 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 13, 2024, 11:21:22 PMMcGeeneys mighty men will be expected to thump us

In the same way they did last year you mean?
I would expect that we have learned  bit and that we simply cant let happen again what happened last year from our biggest rivals. IF Armagh get over Fermanagh today then bring it on...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on April 14, 2024, 09:33:17 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 14, 2024, 08:56:34 AM20 pound in to watch that is crazy money. No wonder only 4k turned up. There was a but of a buzz last year, that's gone now. Same old souls turning uo in hope that it will change. But what do you do? Do we have the footballers? Armagh took a longtime to get to where they are today under McGeeney. We need to stick with it,  i thought when Laverty started he needed 5 years, and I still believe that. You don't come from such a low starting point to being competitive with the likes of Armagh,Monaghan, roscommons etc overnight, unless you have a good foundation. Down hadn't won anything at any level since 2009 before Laverty came in. Our size is a major issue though. Has been for years. I'd be happy with a 5 point defeat to Armagh. We have little or no chance, and if we play like we did last night it's a thumping in the kip clones again.

The only way Down will get better is by playing in Div. 2, against better teams, for a year or two.  Then try to get up to Div. 1.

No point in looking for one-off victories in thr championship.

All about moving up the levels and improving the panel via the league.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on April 14, 2024, 10:11:55 AM
Quote from: marty34 on April 14, 2024, 09:33:17 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 14, 2024, 08:56:34 AM20 pound in to watch that is crazy money. No wonder only 4k turned up. There was a but of a buzz last year, that's gone now. Same old souls turning uo in hope that it will change. But what do you do? Do we have the footballers? Armagh took a longtime to get to where they are today under McGeeney. We need to stick with it,  i thought when Laverty started he needed 5 years, and I still believe that. You don't come from such a low starting point to being competitive with the likes of Armagh,Monaghan, roscommons etc overnight, unless you have a good foundation. Down hadn't won anything at any level since 2009 before Laverty came in. Our size is a major issue though. Has been for years. I'd be happy with a 5 point defeat to Armagh. We have little or no chance, and if we play like we did last night it's a thumping in the kip clones again.

The only way Down will get better is by playing in Div. 2, against better teams, for a year or two.  Then try to get up to Div. 1.

No point in looking for one-off victories in thr championship.

All about moving up the levels and improving the panel via the league.

100% right. Ironically McCorry basically got the road for saying this in a post match interview after Wexford put us out of the championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on April 14, 2024, 01:00:34 PM
The Kilcoo county final episode really tarnished Lavery's reputation; much of the enthusiasm and support from last year has gone. Not all his fault, we don't have the players to compete.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 14, 2024, 01:24:12 PM
Quote from: befair on April 14, 2024, 01:00:34 PMThe Kilcoo county final episode really tarnished Lavery's reputation; much of the enthusiasm and support from last year has gone. Not all his fault, we don't have the players to compete.


It was a shameful episode alright. Strange too that there were never any details released by Croke Park after their investigation into it. Something just isn't clicking at the minute, if we are beat in the semi final, will there be as much enthusiasm for the TC this year as there was last year?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: PAULD123 on April 14, 2024, 02:28:56 PM
As Urbangael said above - basic mistakes. It was the same against Westmeath. For me the positives were that Down's defense is reasonably competent and we get plenty of possession. 

The problem is the final third. So many players not been decisive enough. And all our games there are so many opportunities to take simple points instead it's overplayed, or pass to someone who might be theoretically in a better position. Recycle and tease, over and over. There was one point in the second half when Daniel Guinness ran off the shoulder took a few steps a bounce and then simply knocked it to over the bar. We had so many times during the game when players could have done the same but didn't. So many times when a point could have been taken but it wasn't. Instead it's almost like everyone's looking for a perfect opportunity. And it doesn't help when Liam Kerr keeps over carrying the ball.

By the way I think Liam Kerr is great. His speed is such a weapon, he just lets himself down with primary school level decisions after he has penetrated.

Two other things that really bugs me, not just Down but every team.

Firstly - In the second half O'Hare was trying to take a kick out. 5 out of 6 defenders had their back to him, along with one midfielder and two half forwards. 8 out of 11 possible kick out options were being positively denied to the Keeper by the players. That drives me crazy eight players not looking for the ball, not even looking to distract the opposition.

Secondly - And this connects to the first. So many players standing still or strolling about drives me crazy. Like that kick out above, there were only two players that were actively running, though I think jogging would be a better term. And that wasn't just kick outs, that was all game, there were so many players just not moving much. How easy does that make it for the opposition to markup, and predict where the ball will Go? If you're not moving you're not asking questions.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 15, 2024, 09:35:07 AM
Any early updates on the senior leagues? Saul has had a great start.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 18, 2024, 09:26:51 AM
Burren took a bit of a pasting last night; do they not have a load of players?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DuffGael on April 18, 2024, 02:49:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 18, 2024, 09:26:51 AMBurren took a bit of a pasting last night; do they not have a load of players?
Burren seemed to be missing 8-10 starters. They were poor in fairness but I assume a lot of their players are young and will get better with exposure to Div 1 football.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Granto on April 18, 2024, 07:12:57 PM
Quote from: DuffGael on April 18, 2024, 02:49:59 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 18, 2024, 09:26:51 AMBurren took a bit of a pasting last night; do they not have a load of players?
Burren seemed to be missing 8-10 starters. They were poor in fairness but I assume a lot of their players are young and will get better with exposure to Div 1 football.

That's a fair assessment
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 19, 2024, 10:36:09 PM
A chastening experience tonight when Kilcoo play like that. Surely Jerome is worth his place on the county squad - at least he shoots!! 2 victories fade into the memory after a defeat of that magnitude..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 19, 2024, 11:03:08 PM
Harps pretty much stole it tonight in Clonduff.

The yellows had us at an arm's length throughout but never pushed for the kill. They tired in the last quarter - as you'd expect for their first game of the season - and then a mad bastard combination of stuff contributed to a late wining goal.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on April 19, 2024, 11:10:50 PM
Drumaness wasting their time in Div 3!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: manwithnoplan on April 20, 2024, 12:51:18 AM
Quote from: ApresMatch on April 19, 2024, 11:10:50 PMDrumaness wasting their time in Div 3!

Should they relegate the three teams below them too then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ApresMatch on April 20, 2024, 02:33:26 PM
After 3 games? No
Fin & D'ness down
Glenn & Clann up
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 20, 2024, 04:16:05 PM
Big win fornthe hurlers in thr McDonagh Cup. 3.24 to meath 0.25
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Godsown on April 20, 2024, 06:27:47 PM
Another defeat for the Minors. How does that leave them from here?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 20, 2024, 08:30:41 PM
Quote from: Godsown on April 20, 2024, 06:27:47 PMAnother defeat for the Minors. How does that leave them from here?
When did Down last win a game at Minor level?? It's a long time ago.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 20, 2024, 08:49:59 PM
Down minors competed strongly in league this year and lost out to Derry in the league final by 5 points. They just havent went up a level for the championship. But yes ....It has been sometime since we won a game in the minor championship.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 20, 2024, 09:15:41 PM
I wonder if Laverty is on the phone to Bobo after the Derry v Donegal game  ;D
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 20, 2024, 10:07:26 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 20, 2024, 09:15:41 PMI wonder if Laverty is on the phone to Bobo after the Derry v Donegal game  ;D
yes bobo maybe a better option after that show from Derry this evening but o hare has done well so maybe just be a bit more cautious with using o hare out the field
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 21, 2024, 06:40:37 AM
I was only joking. I think O'Hare has been OK this year, but I'd be happy enough if he stuck to his main job in the nets.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 21, 2024, 09:13:40 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-68835472

Great story for us Down gaels
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: marty34 on April 21, 2024, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 21, 2024, 09:13:40 AMhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-68835472

Great story for us Down gaels

Was reading that. Super story.

Great work by Donal.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Aristo 60 on April 21, 2024, 10:23:19 AM
So Sam really does come home when he visits County Down!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 21, 2024, 01:33:49 PM
Great win for the hurlers yesterday, hopefully can get good run in the McDonagh cup
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 22, 2024, 09:24:06 AM
Should clubs who routinely choose not to field at reserve level face harsher penalties? Every year, the same crap happens.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 22, 2024, 10:37:02 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 22, 2024, 09:24:06 AMShould clubs who routinely choose not to field at reserve level face harsher penalties? Every year, the same crap happens.

Is there not a £300 fine for not fielding?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Blackandblue2 on April 22, 2024, 10:37:57 AM
So whats the chances this weekend? Anyone giving us a punchers chance?

I see the game isn't being televised? On BBc or Rte?
Has this every happened for a Ulster semi final before, why would all games including prelim be on and not the Semi final?

Is it expected to be 1 sided and not worth the viewing?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on April 22, 2024, 10:52:58 AM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on April 22, 2024, 10:37:57 AMSo whats the chances this weekend? Anyone giving us a punchers chance?

I see the game isn't being televised? On BBc or Rte?
Has this every happened for a Ulster semi final before, why would all games including prelim be on and not the Semi final?

Is it expected to be 1 sided and not worth the viewing?

GAAGO are showing it
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 22, 2024, 12:01:01 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 22, 2024, 09:24:06 AMShould clubs who routinely choose not to field at reserve level face harsher penalties? Every year, the same crap happens.

In a nutshell, no.

The most sure fire method we could every conceive of to reduce adult player numbers, and to place a giant wall between juvenile and adult playing days, is to make the cost of fielding reserve football teams prohibitive.

That said, development leagues - like reserve football, minor b teams, under 14b teams etc - have no need to be played on an all county basis.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on April 22, 2024, 12:20:55 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 22, 2024, 10:52:58 AM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on April 22, 2024, 10:37:57 AMSo whats the chances this weekend? Anyone giving us a punchers chance?

I see the game isn't being televised? On BBc or Rte?
Has this every happened for a Ulster semi final before, why would all games including prelim be on and not the Semi final?

Is it expected to be 1 sided and not worth the viewing?

GAAGO are showing it
Where would you pick up the game in Belfast City Centre?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 22, 2024, 01:07:42 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 22, 2024, 12:01:01 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 22, 2024, 09:24:06 AMShould clubs who routinely choose not to field at reserve level face harsher penalties? Every year, the same crap happens.

In a nutshell, no.

The most sure fire method we could every conceive of to reduce adult player numbers, and to place a giant wall between juvenile and adult playing days, is to make the cost of fielding reserve football teams prohibitive.

That said, development leagues - like reserve football, minor b teams, under 14b teams etc - have no need to be played on an all county basis.

The old East Down Reserve league used to be on a Sunday night at 6pm. Being shorter treks, there never seemed to be as many DNF.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Green+Gold on April 22, 2024, 02:21:02 PM
Quote from: statto on April 22, 2024, 12:20:55 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 22, 2024, 10:52:58 AM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on April 22, 2024, 10:37:57 AMSo whats the chances this weekend? Anyone giving us a punchers chance?

I see the game isn't being televised? On BBc or Rte?
Has this every happened for a Ulster semi final before, why would all games including prelim be on and not the Semi final?

Is it expected to be 1 sided and not worth the viewing?

GAAGO are showing it
Where would you pick up the game in Belfast City Centre?
Nancy Mulligan's, Castle Street will have it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 23, 2024, 10:48:22 AM
This is a fantastic opportunity to make it to an Ulster final, so I hope there is a lot of support on Saturday night.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Hard2Listen2 on April 23, 2024, 04:45:10 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 23, 2024, 10:48:22 AMThis is a fantastic opportunity to make it to an Ulster final, so I hope there is a lot of support on Saturday night.

Will ya be goin urself TH?
Day out for ya!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on April 23, 2024, 04:58:36 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on April 22, 2024, 02:21:02 PM
Quote from: statto on April 22, 2024, 12:20:55 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 22, 2024, 10:52:58 AM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on April 22, 2024, 10:37:57 AMSo whats the chances this weekend? Anyone giving us a punchers chance?

I see the game isn't being televised? On BBc or Rte?
Has this every happened for a Ulster semi final before, why would all games including prelim be on and not the Semi final?

Is it expected to be 1 sided and not worth the viewing?

GAAGO are showing it
Where would you pick up the game in Belfast City Centre?
Nancy Mulligan's, Castle Street will have it.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Saffrongael on April 23, 2024, 05:00:58 PM
Quote from: statto on April 23, 2024, 04:58:36 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on April 22, 2024, 02:21:02 PM
Quote from: statto on April 22, 2024, 12:20:55 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 22, 2024, 10:52:58 AM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on April 22, 2024, 10:37:57 AMSo whats the chances this weekend? Anyone giving us a punchers chance?

I see the game isn't being televised? On BBc or Rte?
Has this every happened for a Ulster semi final before, why would all games including prelim be on and not the Semi final?

Is it expected to be 1 sided and not worth the viewing?

GAAGO are showing it
Where would you pick up the game in Belfast City Centre?
Nancy Mulligan's, Castle Street will have it.
Thanks!

Is that place not a total dive ?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: armaghniac on April 23, 2024, 05:33:08 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 23, 2024, 05:00:58 PM
Quote from: statto on April 23, 2024, 04:58:36 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on April 22, 2024, 02:21:02 PM
Quote from: statto on April 22, 2024, 12:20:55 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 22, 2024, 10:52:58 AM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on April 22, 2024, 10:37:57 AMSo whats the chances this weekend? Anyone giving us a punchers chance?

I see the game isn't being televised? On BBc or Rte?
Has this every happened for a Ulster semi final before, why would all games including prelim be on and not the Semi final?

Is it expected to be 1 sided and not worth the viewing?

GAAGO are showing it
Where would you pick up the game in Belfast City Centre?
Nancy Mulligan's, Castle Street will have it.
Thanks!

Is that place not a total dive ?

Where better for Down supporters?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 23, 2024, 08:04:50 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 23, 2024, 05:00:58 PM
Quote from: statto on April 23, 2024, 04:58:36 PM
Quote from: Green+Gold on April 22, 2024, 02:21:02 PM
Quote from: statto on April 22, 2024, 12:20:55 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on April 22, 2024, 10:52:58 AM
Quote from: Blackandblue2 on April 22, 2024, 10:37:57 AMSo whats the chances this weekend? Anyone giving us a punchers chance?

I see the game isn't being televised? On BBc or Rte?
Has this every happened for a Ulster semi final before, why would all games including prelim be on and not the Semi final?

Is it expected to be 1 sided and not worth the viewing?

GAAGO are showing it
Where would you pick up the game in Belfast City Centre?
Nancy Mulligan's, Castle Street will have it.
Thanks!

Is that place not a total dive ?
Can't be worse than the hill in clones with the buckfast brigade.
I'm out of the country at weekend so I will miss the game. But after last year's experience of clones I'd question whether I'd go anyway.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 23, 2024, 09:15:12 PM
Agree..Last years experience of clones was terrible. Everything from parking, the drunks and flares on the hill and the shite perf ormance is hard to forget. I Cant go this weekend but again I would whether I would go anyway...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: alchemist on April 23, 2024, 09:51:16 PM
Lot of negativity on the board about Saturday, yes Down are underdogs and rightfully so.

Are they capable of giving Armagh a match, absolutely!

Last year everything that could go wrong did go wrong, lessons will he learned, and if it is tight Armagh will be nervous.

The last two games have been disappointing but Down did play a lot of good football in league before that.

Is Clones ideal, no, but it's an ulster semi final with the double bonus of a final and qualification at stake.

Most people who i have spoken to seem to have an excuse not to go on Saturday, the players have given a massive commitment and deserve a big support so get behind them and keep the fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 24, 2024, 08:45:21 AM
It would be a massive result to beat them on Saturday night. But it's highly unlikely. They've played at a higher level for a few years now. But to look at the task ahead of Laverty you just need to look at the job McGeeney has had to do in Armagh. He was 5 years in thr job before he got a win in Ulster. They've jad no underage success to build from yet he has them now competitive with anyone on the island. Are thry contenders for an All Irealnd? Probably not, but I know we would love to be as competitive as they are in a couple of years time.  I laugh when I hear some Armagh people calling for mcgeeney to go. Be careful what you wish for. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 27, 2024, 12:08:22 PM
Any reports from last nights games? Ballyholland had good win away to Kilcoo...

Best of luck to Down today, here's hoping for a big upset!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 27, 2024, 12:30:36 PM
Bar that blip at St John's, Saul started the season very well - Few big wins
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Targetman on April 27, 2024, 04:19:03 PM
John Mc Govern doesn't even make the squad today, i know he played a club game last night, surely he should be included!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 27, 2024, 04:23:59 PM
Quote from: Targetman on April 27, 2024, 04:19:03 PMJohn Mc Govern doesn't even make the squad today, i know he played a club game last night, surely he should be included!

He's maybe playing for Newry today. Shame, he's some potential like.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 27, 2024, 07:10:22 PM
Disappointed with the defeat in the end. Laverty went in with a plan that ultimatley frustrated Armagh thorughout the game but failure to get tight on Rian O'Neill for the middle 20 minutes of the match and easy free's given away for Grugan to tap over plus failure to take our own good chances (Havern missed free and Laverty mark at the end) cost us. I have to say I'm annoyed that the last kick of the game was left to a 20 year old to shoulder the responsability. Would have liked to have seen Kerr step up or maybe Ryan J who had a good game have a go. We really lack a ball winning forward and two elite free takers to get us over the line in these tighter games.

On a finishing note, hope Barry's injury isn't an aggrevation of his previous injury. Certainly looked in discomfort straight away. Wish him all the best in recovery.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 27, 2024, 08:24:41 PM
If anyone leaving Clones today thinking that was a tactical masterclass - they need their heads read. 15 men behind the ball, people picking up zonal spaces, continuously giving away free kicks, inability to hit free kicks in scorable positions. Very frustrating to watch some of our best players sitting on the line so we can put in more defensive options. Barry is hopefully not as bad as he appeared.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 27, 2024, 08:27:33 PM
If anyone leaves clones today thinking we haven't progressed in the last 2 years then they need their head read.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: guevara on April 27, 2024, 08:39:42 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 27, 2024, 08:27:33 PMIf anyone leaves clones today thinking we haven't progressed in the last 2 years then they need their head read.

If that is progress then we are doomed. Two very fortunate goals kept us in it.

An intercounty player who can't kick the ball over the bar from 25 metres out summed it up.

Having the ball on yheir '21 and going back to our goalkeeper when we were behind. We can't kick pass and are petrified of making a mistake.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on April 27, 2024, 08:41:36 PM
Beat by 1 or beat by 10, still BEAT
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 27, 2024, 08:57:47 PM
Quote from: sdg on April 27, 2024, 08:41:36 PMBeat by 1 or beat by 10, still BEAT
We were expected to get beat by 10 by most people and we should have won and in the process gave our biggest rivals a reality check..their footballers are no better than ours. Next year we can fully expect to turn them over.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: One life one club on April 27, 2024, 09:05:52 PM
Some amount of negativity, everyone expected Armagh to come out and make little boys of Down today. They didn't. We were unlucky in the end . Laverty messed up with the mark, looked defeated before he even kicked the ball. Down have been progressing well under Conor guidance, long may it continue
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 27, 2024, 09:28:35 PM
Let's guess the people spouting crap on here weren't even in clones today. The management had a plan in place to beat a top team and it nearly came off. A few missed chances proved costly in the end, but the players gave everything.

Maybe if a few more 'supporters' had turned up to get behind the team and lift them in the last minutes the way the Armagh fans did it might have got us over the line.

 

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 27, 2024, 09:37:12 PM
Would have been critical off the first half but seeing how we played in second half was clear then that Plan was to frustrate Armagh and keep the tempo of the game slow to then hit them with pace and runners in the 2nd half I.e what happened when Kerr and Magill came on.

Would like to see us kick the ball a bit more, felt like we good have broke quicker on Armagh when the pass was on. But there's been a definite improvement under Laverty
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on April 27, 2024, 09:48:18 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 27, 2024, 08:57:47 PM
Quote from: sdg on April 27, 2024, 08:41:36 PMBeat by 1 or beat by 10, still BEAT
We were expected to get beat by 10 by most people and we should have won and in the process gave our biggest rivals a reality check..their footballers are no better than ours. Next year we can fully expect to turn them over.

So what way is he going set up to beat them next year?  Who said armagh were any good or a top team, I'm afraid like Down hadn't got it to win a big game
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 27, 2024, 09:55:11 PM
Armagh folk think they are top class team. As you seen today they are certainly not. We should not fear them anymore and a similar plan with a few tweaks in attack will beat them....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 27, 2024, 10:28:33 PM
You can only play with what you have. Down don't have the players so frustrating Armagh was the plan. It nearly worked.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on April 28, 2024, 01:10:01 AM
Awful spectacle, but good strategy from Lavery, nearly pulled of the shock of the season. The final free was a long-shot; did the ref tell hime he had to score direct?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: DownGael71 on April 28, 2024, 01:55:32 AM
Would have liked a win but happy enough.  We were massive underdogs and near had it.  Lav is still building and we are going in the right direction. Progresss is slow but progress all the same! 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on April 28, 2024, 09:03:08 AM
Some effort put into that game yesterday, couldn't fault that! Wasn't easy to watch at times, but fully understand why they did it. Any word on Barry? Didn't look good him coming off.

Few weeks off and then hopefully give the Tailteann cup another rattle, I'm sure there will be a few more players brought into the squad aswell for that, likes of Ruairi O'Hare, John McGovern.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 28, 2024, 09:04:57 AM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on April 28, 2024, 09:03:08 AMSome effort put into that game yesterday, couldn't fault that! Wasn't easy to watch at times, but fully understand why they did it. Any word on Barry? Didn't look good him coming off.

Few weeks off and then hopefully give the Tailteann cup another rattle, I'm sure there will be a few more players brought into the squad aswell for that, likes of Ruairi O'Hare, John McGovern.
Is Ruairi about the panel? Desperatley need a big man who can win his own ball and hit a score
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: thewobbler on April 28, 2024, 09:39:50 AM
The football is not easy on the eye, but hats off to Conor and the players yesterday.

More talented Down teams than that have got obliterated in championship football throughout my lifetime.

Down were in with a real sniff for all 70 mins. Should we unearth a gem or two of a forward to put into that mix, we can finally move forward again.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 28, 2024, 09:53:02 AM
I've been going to Down matches since the 80s and yesterday was nothing short of dreadful.

We were 2 points up with approx 15 mins to go v Armagh in an Ulster semi final and my main concern was, I hope this doesn't go to extra time.

If playing like that is what it takes to be competitive, it's not a price worth paying as far as I'm concerned, and judging by the size of the crowd, I'm not alone. Would there have been 2000 Down supporters in Clones yesterday?

I recognise that plenty will take positives from yesterday's performance and to a degree, I can see where they are coming from. Laverty done nothing wrong yesterday, he broke no rules as such but mother of God, the powers that be must take action sooner rather than later because as a spectacle that game yesterday is unacceptable.

And I don't think I'm looking through rose tinted glasses about games from previous era's, plenty of them were poor too. I know Jarlath Burns has put together an impressive looking task force to deal with the predicament football finds itself in, and I'm sure they can use yesterday's game as an indicator of what drastic measures are needed to cure our game.

Down are not alone either, a lot of counties employ similar tactics, at times we have played excellently under Laverty, Cavan away last year in the Tailtain cup was a great performance. But  I really do hope there are rule changes made to avoid what happened yesterday repeated. And even if we won yesterday, I'm sure I would be saying the same thing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on April 28, 2024, 10:32:54 AM
Quote from: ardtole on April 28, 2024, 09:53:02 AMI've been going to Down matches since the 80s and yesterday was nothing short of dreadful.

We were 2 points up with approx 15 mins to go v Armagh in an Ulster semi final and my main concern was, I hope this doesn't go to extra time.

If playing like that is what it takes to be competitive, it's not a price worth paying as far as I'm concerned, and judging by the size of the crowd, I'm not alone. Would there have been 2000 Down supporters in Clones yesterday?

I recognise that plenty will take positives from yesterday's performance and to a degree, I can see where they are coming from. Laverty done nothing wrong yesterday, he broke no rules as such but mother of God, the powers that be must take action sooner rather than later because as a spectacle that game yesterday is unacceptable.

And I don't think I'm looking through rose tinted glasses about games from previous era's, plenty of them were poor too. I know Jarlath Burns has put together an impressive looking task force to deal with the predicament football finds itself in, and I'm sure they can use yesterday's game as an indicator of what drastic measures are needed to cure our game.

Down are not alone either, a lot of counties employ similar tactics, at times we have played excellently under Laverty, Cavan away last year in the Tailtain cup was a great performance. But  I really do hope there are rule changes made to avoid what happened yesterday repeated. And even if we won yesterday, I'm sure I would be saying the same thing.



Complete overreaction.. It was 1 defensive game out of how many games played so far in Ulster? Or championship in general and apparently the games in a state and needs saving from this "task force". Football is fine and more rule changes isn't going to make it better.

You get bad games in Rugby/Soccer too. Not every side will or can play like 08/09 Barca, All-Blacks 2010-2015 or Dublin 5 in a row.

We needed to play the way we did yesterday to get a result and we almost did - We've a hard running based type of play due to the players we have available and unfortunately that limits how we play. As TheWobbler said we unearth a couple of forwards we challenge for a provincial title

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on April 28, 2024, 11:01:14 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 27, 2024, 09:55:11 PMArmagh folk think they are top class team. As you seen today they are certainly not. We should not fear them anymore and a similar plan with a few tweaks in attack will beat them....
I'd say the vast majority of Armagh fans certainly don't think our team are 'top class'. They're a decent side though and probably considered to be among the second rung of teams, below Dublin, Kerry, Derry etc, but similar to Galway, Mayo, Monaghan, Roscommon etc.

I could read your post and throw a similar generalisation at Down fans - go close in one tight game and it's as if you took a great step forward.

In a game that Laverty and his team turned into a war of attrition (and rightly so) you still lost - this game was your third attempt at getting yourselves into this years AI group stages (Meath last year, Westmeath in the Div 3 final and yesterday) and you've developed a similar habit to Armagh in recent years of losing tight games when they're there to be won. I'd be more worried about that going forward than Armagh fans opinions of their own team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 28, 2024, 11:51:38 AM
The perception particularly among Armagh Folk on the run up to this game was that there a high gulf on class between the 2 teams. That was not apparent yesterday. Yes we lost but I am not worried how about it. We have closed the gap in laverys 2 year spell and I think this group has more potential to develop into winners in coming years. It's taken mc geeney  close to 10 years and yesterday showed they have a bit to do yet. They may snatch an ulster but certainly not an All Ireland.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on April 28, 2024, 12:18:47 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 28, 2024, 11:51:38 AMThe perception particularly among Armagh Folk on the run up to this game was that there a high gulf on class between the 2 teams.
I think most people on the Down forum agreed. When the game was there to be won Armagh's subs were able to make the difference, scoring each of their sides last 3 points - there's a clear gulf between the depth of both squads.

Quote from: downtothecore on April 28, 2024, 11:51:38 AMThat was not apparent yesterday. Yes we lost but I am not worried how about it. We have closed the gap in laverys 2 year spell and I think this group has more potential to develop into winners in coming years. It's taken mc geeney  close to 10 years and yesterday showed they have a bit to do yet.
Down are certainly on an upward trajectory, which was probably to be expected. Laverty took over the team when they were at a very low ebb and the only way was up. I don't think using Down's progress as a tool to somehow talk down Armagh makes much sense however - they won the match, and it's the first time in quite a while they've come out on the right side of an attritional type of match. They'll have got a lot more out of yesterday's game than last years Ulster semi final. Hopefully, it can give them a bit of belief that they can win games going forward without playing well.

Quote from: downtothecore on April 28, 2024, 11:51:38 AMThey may snatch an ulster but certainly not an All Ireland.
I don't think anybody is expecting Armagh to win the All Ireland, and I expect them to be underdogs in the Ulster final too, regardless of the opposition.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 28, 2024, 01:58:12 PM
Where's all the height gone in Down football, I may be going bck a long time but i seen plenty of Down all through the 90's and the one thing they didn't lack was sheer size. They were always know as a big team.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on April 28, 2024, 02:29:48 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 27, 2024, 08:57:47 PM
Quote from: sdg on April 27, 2024, 08:41:36 PMBeat by 1 or beat by 10, still BEAT
We were expected to get beat by 10 by most people and we should have won and in the process gave our biggest rivals a reality check..their footballers are no better than ours. Next year we can fully expect to turn them over.
On what grounds beat by 10 last year 13 scores to 8 yesterday goals kept down in the game limited enough side who failed win tailteann cup and division three this year.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on April 28, 2024, 02:31:14 PM
Quote from: befair on April 28, 2024, 01:10:01 AMAwful spectacle, but good strategy from Lavery, nearly pulled of the shock of the season. The final free was a long-shot; did the ref tell hime he had to score direct?

Why do so many people in down call him lavery?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: statto on April 28, 2024, 02:36:11 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 28, 2024, 09:53:02 AMI've been going to Down matches since the 80s and yesterday was nothing short of dreadful.

We were 2 points up with approx 15 mins to go v Armagh in an Ulster semi final and my main concern was, I hope this doesn't go to extra time.

If playing like that is what it takes to be competitive, it's not a price worth paying as far as I'm concerned, and judging by the size of the crowd, I'm not alone. Would there have been 2000 Down supporters in Clones yesterday?

I recognise that plenty will take positives from yesterday's performance and to a degree, I can see where they are coming from. Laverty done nothing wrong yesterday, he broke no rules as such but mother of God, the powers that be must take action sooner rather than later because as a spectacle that game yesterday is unacceptable.

And I don't think I'm looking through rose tinted glasses about games from previous era's, plenty of them were poor too. I know Jarlath Burns has put together an impressive looking task force to deal with the predicament football finds itself in, and I'm sure they can use yesterday's game as an indicator of what drastic measures are needed to cure our game.

Down are not alone either, a lot of counties employ similar tactics, at times we have played excellently under Laverty, Cavan away last year in the Tailtain cup was a great performance. But  I really do hope there are rule changes made to avoid what happened yesterday repeated. And even if we won yesterday, I'm sure I would be saying the same thing.

once you go over the 45 shouldn't be allowed back simple rule that easily policed for officials.that are no more than three consecutive handpasses and removal of advanced mark would make games alot more enjoyable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clonian on April 28, 2024, 02:38:13 PM
It wasn't easy on the eye but fair play to the team and management for coming up with a gameplan and they nearly got it over the line. Only for some poor place kicking they could of won the game - but maybe Armagh always had enough in the tank to get in front.

You'd hope they put that disappointment to the side and go and win the Tailteann cup now.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 28, 2024, 05:26:30 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 28, 2024, 09:53:02 AMI've been going to Down matches since the 80s and yesterday was nothing short of dreadful.

We were 2 points up with approx 15 mins to go v Armagh in an Ulster semi final and my main concern was, I hope this doesn't go to extra time.

If playing like that is what it takes to be competitive, it's not a price worth paying as far as I'm concerned, and judging by the size of the crowd, I'm not alone. Would there have been 2000 Down supporters in Clones yesterday?

I recognise that plenty will take positives from yesterday's performance and to a degree, I can see where they are coming from. Laverty done nothing wrong yesterday, he broke no rules as such but mother of God, the powers that be must take action sooner rather than later because as a spectacle that game yesterday is unacceptable.

And I don't think I'm looking through rose tinted glasses about games from previous era's, plenty of them were poor too. I know Jarlath Burns has put together an impressive looking task force to deal with the predicament football finds itself in, and I'm sure they can use yesterday's game as an indicator of what drastic measures are needed to cure our game.

Down are not alone either, a lot of counties employ similar tactics, at times we have played excellently under Laverty, Cavan away last year in the Tailtain cup was a great performance. But  I really do hope there are rule changes made to avoid what happened yesterday repeated. And even if we won yesterday, I'm sure I would be saying the same thing.

Do Down have the players to go toe to toe with Armagh? Should the ball be kicked aimlessly up the pitch to come straight back at you?  Down needed to sort out their defence and it looks like they are getting there. The forwards will hopefully improve
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: urbangael on April 28, 2024, 05:49:48 PM
That was a hard watch in Clones yesterday. Could've won it if we had a reliable free taker or a few lads that could stick the ball over the bar from 30 yards. Laverty had a great chance with his mark too but never looked like scoring. He initially looked to pass the ball back which tells you all. Too many athletes and not enough natural footballers in the squad.
Really poor down crowd for an ulster semi against the old enemy. Probably a number of reasons for this including the dour style of football, and our spineless county board following the ref fiasco at our county final. Attendances definitely reduced after that. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on April 28, 2024, 06:03:08 PM
I can understand why Laverty went with the tactics that he did, but the fact Jarlath Burns has set up a committee chaired by Jim Gavin to look into changes to improve the game would suggest that there is more than me think there are problems.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 28, 2024, 06:11:55 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 28, 2024, 05:26:30 PM
Quote from: ardtole on April 28, 2024, 09:53:02 AMI've been going to Down matches since the 80s and yesterday was nothing short of dreadful.

We were 2 points up with approx 15 mins to go v Armagh in an Ulster semi final and my main concern was, I hope this doesn't go to extra time.

If playing like that is what it takes to be competitive, it's not a price worth paying as far as I'm concerned, and judging by the size of the crowd, I'm not alone. Would there have been 2000 Down supporters in Clones yesterday?

I recognise that plenty will take positives from yesterday's performance and to a degree, I can see where they are coming from. Laverty done nothing wrong yesterday, he broke no rules as such but mother of God, the powers that be must take action sooner rather than later because as a spectacle that game yesterday is unacceptable.

And I don't think I'm looking through rose tinted glasses about games from previous era's, plenty of them were poor too. I know Jarlath Burns has put together an impressive looking task force to deal with the predicament football finds itself in, and I'm sure they can use yesterday's game as an indicator of what drastic measures are needed to cure our game.

Down are not alone either, a lot of counties employ similar tactics, at times we have played excellently under Laverty, Cavan away last year in the Tailtain cup was a great performance. But  I really do hope there are rule changes made to avoid what happened yesterday repeated. And even if we won yesterday, I'm sure I would be saying the same thing.

Do Down have the players to go toe to toe with Armagh? Should the ball be kicked aimlessly up the pitch to come straight back at you?  Down needed to sort out their defence and it looks like they are getting there. The forwards will hopefully improve
some people need to get real, Armagh have been playing consistently in the top 2 divisions for last few years, they've been in Ulster finals and later stages of all Ireland series. We've just got promoted from division 3, we couldn't win it this year or get out of it last year. We couldn't win last year's tailteann cup, that's the reality of were we are at.

But still some people think we should go toe to toe with them in a shootout. It might have been more entertaining but we would have lost by 10plus points.

The management and players had a plan to contain Armagh and keep the game close and it worked, a few missed chances ultimately cost us.

Down are definitely on an upward curve but to go to the next level we need to add quality especially in the forwards and that is easier said.



Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on April 28, 2024, 11:29:21 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 27, 2024, 08:57:47 PM
Quote from: sdg on April 27, 2024, 08:41:36 PMBeat by 1 or beat by 10, still BEAT
We were expected to get beat by 10 by most people and we should have won and in the process gave our biggest rivals a reality check..their footballers are no better than ours. Next year we can fully expect to turn them over.
In what sense 'should' Down have won? In the last ten minutes they went into their shells and Armagh got on top. As for giving Armagh a 'reality check' - you have seen Armagh in recent years? Lost every tight game they played and have struggled under any kind of pressure. If anything it'll have given Armagh a huge boost to come out of that game with a result, especially one they 'should' have lost according to yourself.
You keep celebrating your one point defeat though and another missed opportunity to make it into the All Ireland series.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 29, 2024, 08:15:06 AM
We were leading very close to the end of that game and missed a kick able score so in that sense we should have won. We are not experienced as Armagh and they took their opportunity after that. They have learned from past mistakes we now need learn. I am not celebrating but rather dissapointed tbh. I will point out again that we were not supposed to be anywhere near Armagh and if if you look at some posts by Armagh people last week on the gaaboard forum they referred to Down as shite a few times last week... but it took any injury time score to defeat what they refered to as a shite Down team. I still however now think Armagh can now win the final as that tight will stand to them...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 29, 2024, 08:33:07 AM
Some people expect miracles from Day 1. The fact is Down are coming from such a low ebb its going to take 5 years minimum. We can't be compared to Derry, thry had better players and a quite a bit of underage success minor finals winning minor all irelands. Not just one strong club but a few. We don't seem to have the natural forwards we once had either, so there's a lot of work to do. The Tailteann won't be easy, teams like Fermanagh, Kildare, Antrim, sligo,Offaly, we will need to win all thr group games to be guaranteed the home QF. After that it's anyone's.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 29, 2024, 12:29:18 PM
Yes, the football at times was cruel but sometimes to have to adapt tactics to suit the other team. It was so close to being the shock to the season. We just need to win the Taitleann cup to ensure we are playing Sam Maguire next season. The support was disappointing but there are a lot of factors involved like timing, cost, and scheduling of girls' games at 7pm. There were a lot of drunk people around Clones but that's to be expected.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Gaelforce123 on April 29, 2024, 04:34:29 PM
I for one enjoyed the game, having went to Clones expecting Down to be on the wrong end of a heavy beating, I was hoping to see what the Management where tactically capable off in order to make a much less physical and skilfully developed team cope with a top 10 team and thats exactly what I got. It was tactically spot on! Frustrated a team in every area they thrive on and hot them for scores outselves, only issue is our pack of ability to shoot from distance. In fact, the final score from Armagh there was a foul on Doherty that the ref didnt call. Was it great free flowing football? no because we would now be reading comments about how poor we are and unable to put it up to better teams if we had of tried. Tyrone and Donegal have won Ulsters playing frustrating football, you do what you have to. There are no rules that will change football back to the 90's. Coaches and backroom teams are too smart and  professional now to use rules to advantage. Just leave game alone. Same people complaining probably spend a few hundred pound to fly to england and watch 90 mins of 0-0 scoreline and lads falling like they broke their leg and walk with the ball. Least we get it for £20
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on April 29, 2024, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on April 29, 2024, 04:34:29 PMI for one enjoyed the game, having went to Clones expecting Down to be on the wrong end of a heavy beating, I was hoping to see what the Management where tactically capable off in order to make a much less physical and skilfully developed team cope with a top 10 team and thats exactly what I got. It was tactically spot on! Frustrated a team in every area they thrive on and hot them for scores outselves, only issue is our pack of ability to shoot from distance. In fact, the final score from Armagh there was a foul on Doherty that the ref didnt call. Was it great free flowing football? no because we would now be reading comments about how poor we are and unable to put it up to better teams if we had of tried. Tyrone and Donegal have won Ulsters playing frustrating football, you do what you have to. There are no rules that will change football back to the 90's. Coaches and backroom teams are too smart and  professional now to use rules to advantage. Just leave game alone. Same people complaining probably spend a few hundred pound to fly to england and watch 90 mins of 0-0 scoreline and lads falling like they broke their leg and walk with the ball. Least we get it for £20

Did u not watch Doherty on Saturday diving around the place?? It was embarrassing - I think he got 1 free out of 4 diving attempts. But in the Down club championship he gets all of them frees as our referees fall for them every time.
U20s win the Leo Murphy cup tonight - Laverty should introduce a few of them to the panel going into the B cup. Time a few were cut adrift as they are not getting near the match day squads. 
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lazer on April 29, 2024, 11:00:36 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 29, 2024, 08:33:07 AMSome people expect miracles from Day 1. The fact is Down are coming from such a low ebb its going to take 5 years minimum. We can't be compared to Derry, thry had better players and a quite a bit of underage success minor finals winning minor all irelands. Not just one strong club but a few. We don't seem to have the natural forwards we once had either, so there's a lot of work to do. The Tailteann won't be easy, teams like Fermanagh, Kildare, Antrim, sligo,Offaly, we will need to win all thr group games to be guaranteed the home QF. After that it's anyone's.

So true, not sure what people expect

I went to Clones fully expecting us to get hammered and finished upa at an exciting competitive games (yes at times the possessive style was frustrating). Full credit to the management and players for getting it right tactically.

I thoroughly enjoyed it and so did any Down fan I was talking to at it, it is so obvious how far we have come on from last year.

There is lots of areas we need to work on, especially free taking but we have the bones of a good team again, a year in Division 2 against stronger teams is exactly what we need and we proved on Saturday we aren't going to get hammered in every game.

As for the Tailteann, as Laverty said, no disrespect to it, but it's not where we want to be. We have every chance to do well in it, but other than games against the other seed 1 teams it's not where we need to be right now.

If we are going to insist of having a 2nd tier championship, I think we need an intermediate tier too.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on April 29, 2024, 11:14:38 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 29, 2024, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on April 29, 2024, 04:34:29 PMI for one enjoyed the game, having went to Clones expecting Down to be on the wrong end of a heavy beating, I was hoping to see what the Management where tactically capable off in order to make a much less physical and skilfully developed team cope with a top 10 team and thats exactly what I got. It was tactically spot on! Frustrated a team in every area they thrive on and hot them for scores outselves, only issue is our pack of ability to shoot from distance. In fact, the final score from Armagh there was a foul on Doherty that the ref didnt call. Was it great free flowing football? no because we would now be reading comments about how poor we are and unable to put it up to better teams if we had of tried. Tyrone and Donegal have won Ulsters playing frustrating football, you do what you have to. There are no rules that will change football back to the 90's. Coaches and backroom teams are too smart and  professional now to use rules to advantage. Just leave game alone. Same people complaining probably spend a few hundred pound to fly to england and watch 90 mins of 0-0 scoreline and lads falling like they broke their leg and walk with the ball. Least we get it for £20

Did u not watch Doherty on Saturday diving around the place?? It was embarrassing - I think he got 1 free out of 4 diving attempts. But in the Down club championship he gets all of them frees as our referees fall for them every time.
U20s win the Leo Murphy cup tonight - Laverty should introduce a few of them to the panel going into the B cup. Time a few were cut adrift as they are not getting near the match day squads. 
I seen celim Doherty obstructed by an Armagh player as Duffy set himself up for the winning score. I havent had a chance to see it again. Should this have been a free? Great win for u20s....
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ranch on April 30, 2024, 04:56:32 AM
Quote from: downtothecore on April 29, 2024, 11:14:38 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 29, 2024, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on April 29, 2024, 04:34:29 PMI for one enjoyed the game, having went to Clones expecting Down to be on the wrong end of a heavy beating, I was hoping to see what the Management where tactically capable off in order to make a much less physical and skilfully developed team cope with a top 10 team and thats exactly what I got. It was tactically spot on! Frustrated a team in every area they thrive on and hot them for scores outselves, only issue is our pack of ability to shoot from distance. In fact, the final score from Armagh there was a foul on Doherty that the ref didnt call. Was it great free flowing football? no because we would now be reading comments about how poor we are and unable to put it up to better teams if we had of tried. Tyrone and Donegal have won Ulsters playing frustrating football, you do what you have to. There are no rules that will change football back to the 90's. Coaches and backroom teams are too smart and  professional now to use rules to advantage. Just leave game alone. Same people complaining probably spend a few hundred pound to fly to england and watch 90 mins of 0-0 scoreline and lads falling like they broke their leg and walk with the ball. Least we get it for £20

Did u not watch Doherty on Saturday diving around the place?? It was embarrassing - I think he got 1 free out of 4 diving attempts. But in the Down club championship he gets all of them frees as our referees fall for them every time.
U20s win the Leo Murphy cup tonight - Laverty should introduce a few of them to the panel going into the B cup. Time a few were cut adrift as they are not getting near the match day squads. 
I seen celim Doherty obstructed by an Armagh player as Duffy set himself up for the winning score. I havent had a chance to see it again. Should this have been a free? Great win for u20s....

Swings and roundabouts.

Should Down have got a free when Duffy clearly didn't pick the ball off the ground in the second half? Definitely not.

Could Armagh have had a penalty in the first half when McElroy was pushed in the back? Possibly.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on April 30, 2024, 11:24:05 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 29, 2024, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on April 29, 2024, 04:34:29 PMI for one enjoyed the game, having went to Clones expecting Down to be on the wrong end of a heavy beating, I was hoping to see what the Management where tactically capable off in order to make a much less physical and skilfully developed team cope with a top 10 team and thats exactly what I got. It was tactically spot on! Frustrated a team in every area they thrive on and hot them for scores outselves, only issue is our pack of ability to shoot from distance. In fact, the final score from Armagh there was a foul on Doherty that the ref didnt call. Was it great free flowing football? no because we would now be reading comments about how poor we are and unable to put it up to better teams if we had of tried. Tyrone and Donegal have won Ulsters playing frustrating football, you do what you have to. There are no rules that will change football back to the 90's. Coaches and backroom teams are too smart and  professional now to use rules to advantage. Just leave game alone. Same people complaining probably spend a few hundred pound to fly to england and watch 90 mins of 0-0 scoreline and lads falling like they broke their leg and walk with the ball. Least we get it for £20

Did u not watch Doherty on Saturday diving around the place?? It was embarrassing - I think he got 1 free out of 4 diving attempts. But in the Down club championship he gets all of them frees as our referees fall for them every time.
U20s win the Leo Murphy cup tonight - Laverty should introduce a few of them to the panel going into the B cup. Time a few were cut adrift as they are not getting near the match day squads. 

Who would you take up?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on April 30, 2024, 01:14:35 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 30, 2024, 11:24:05 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 29, 2024, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on April 29, 2024, 04:34:29 PMI for one enjoyed the game, having went to Clones expecting Down to be on the wrong end of a heavy beating, I was hoping to see what the Management where tactically capable off in order to make a much less physical and skilfully developed team cope with a top 10 team and thats exactly what I got. It was tactically spot on! Frustrated a team in every area they thrive on and hot them for scores outselves, only issue is our pack of ability to shoot from distance. In fact, the final score from Armagh there was a foul on Doherty that the ref didnt call. Was it great free flowing football? no because we would now be reading comments about how poor we are and unable to put it up to better teams if we had of tried. Tyrone and Donegal have won Ulsters playing frustrating football, you do what you have to. There are no rules that will change football back to the 90's. Coaches and backroom teams are too smart and  professional now to use rules to advantage. Just leave game alone. Same people complaining probably spend a few hundred pound to fly to england and watch 90 mins of 0-0 scoreline and lads falling like they broke their leg and walk with the ball. Least we get it for £20

Did u not watch Doherty on Saturday diving around the place?? It was embarrassing - I think he got 1 free out of 4 diving attempts. But in the Down club championship he gets all of them frees as our referees fall for them every time.
U20s win the Leo Murphy cup tonight - Laverty should introduce a few of them to the panel going into the B cup. Time a few were cut adrift as they are not getting near the match day squads. 

Who would you take up?

Doran is the only one who would make senior,  the rest forget
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on April 30, 2024, 01:24:03 PM
Quote from: sdg on April 30, 2024, 01:14:35 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 30, 2024, 11:24:05 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 29, 2024, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on April 29, 2024, 04:34:29 PMI for one enjoyed the game, having went to Clones expecting Down to be on the wrong end of a heavy beating, I was hoping to see what the Management where tactically capable off in order to make a much less physical and skilfully developed team cope with a top 10 team and thats exactly what I got. It was tactically spot on! Frustrated a team in every area they thrive on and hot them for scores outselves, only issue is our pack of ability to shoot from distance. In fact, the final score from Armagh there was a foul on Doherty that the ref didnt call. Was it great free flowing football? no because we would now be reading comments about how poor we are and unable to put it up to better teams if we had of tried. Tyrone and Donegal have won Ulsters playing frustrating football, you do what you have to. There are no rules that will change football back to the 90's. Coaches and backroom teams are too smart and  professional now to use rules to advantage. Just leave game alone. Same people complaining probably spend a few hundred pound to fly to england and watch 90 mins of 0-0 scoreline and lads falling like they broke their leg and walk with the ball. Least we get it for £20

Did u not watch Doherty on Saturday diving around the place?? It was embarrassing - I think he got 1 free out of 4 diving attempts. But in the Down club championship he gets all of them frees as our referees fall for them every time.
U20s win the Leo Murphy cup tonight - Laverty should introduce a few of them to the panel going into the B cup. Time a few were cut adrift as they are not getting near the match day squads. 

Who would you take up?

Doran is the only one who would make senior,  the rest forget

Only 1 player from the whole group?
Write the rest off? They were in an extremely tough group. Drew with Tyrone who are in the final.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on April 30, 2024, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 30, 2024, 01:24:03 PM
Quote from: sdg on April 30, 2024, 01:14:35 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 30, 2024, 11:24:05 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 29, 2024, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on April 29, 2024, 04:34:29 PMI for one enjoyed the game, having went to Clones expecting Down to be on the wrong end of a heavy beating, I was hoping to see what the Management where tactically capable off in order to make a much less physical and skilfully developed team cope with a top 10 team and thats exactly what I got. It was tactically spot on! Frustrated a team in every area they thrive on and hot them for scores outselves, only issue is our pack of ability to shoot from distance. In fact, the final score from Armagh there was a foul on Doherty that the ref didnt call. Was it great free flowing football? no because we would now be reading comments about how poor we are and unable to put it up to better teams if we had of tried. Tyrone and Donegal have won Ulsters playing frustrating football, you do what you have to. There are no rules that will change football back to the 90's. Coaches and backroom teams are too smart and  professional now to use rules to advantage. Just leave game alone. Same people complaining probably spend a few hundred pound to fly to england and watch 90 mins of 0-0 scoreline and lads falling like they broke their leg and walk with the ball. Least we get it for £20

Did u not watch Doherty on Saturday diving around the place?? It was embarrassing - I think he got 1 free out of 4 diving attempts. But in the Down club championship he gets all of them frees as our referees fall for them every time.
U20s win the Leo Murphy cup tonight - Laverty should introduce a few of them to the panel going into the B cup. Time a few were cut adrift as they are not getting near the match day squads. 

Who would you take up?

Doran is the only one who would make senior,  the rest forget

Only 1 player from the whole group?
Write the rest off? They were in an extremely tough group. Drew with Tyrone who are in the final.

IMO
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: clonian on April 30, 2024, 03:33:54 PM
Offaly, Limerick and London then?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 30, 2024, 03:40:53 PM
Quote from: sdg on April 30, 2024, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on April 30, 2024, 01:24:03 PM
Quote from: sdg on April 30, 2024, 01:14:35 PM
Quote from: Truth hurts on April 30, 2024, 11:24:05 AM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on April 29, 2024, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Gaelforce123 on April 29, 2024, 04:34:29 PMI for one enjoyed the game, having went to Clones expecting Down to be on the wrong end of a heavy beating, I was hoping to see what the Management where tactically capable off in order to make a much less physical and skilfully developed team cope with a top 10 team and thats exactly what I got. It was tactically spot on! Frustrated a team in every area they thrive on and hot them for scores outselves, only issue is our pack of ability to shoot from distance. In fact, the final score from Armagh there was a foul on Doherty that the ref didnt call. Was it great free flowing football? no because we would now be reading comments about how poor we are and unable to put it up to better teams if we had of tried. Tyrone and Donegal have won Ulsters playing frustrating football, you do what you have to. There are no rules that will change football back to the 90's. Coaches and backroom teams are too smart and  professional now to use rules to advantage. Just leave game alone. Same people complaining probably spend a few hundred pound to fly to england and watch 90 mins of 0-0 scoreline and lads falling like they broke their leg and walk with the ball. Least we get it for £20

Did u not watch Doherty on Saturday diving around the place?? It was embarrassing - I think he got 1 free out of 4 diving attempts. But in the Down club championship he gets all of them frees as our referees fall for them every time.
U20s win the Leo Murphy cup tonight - Laverty should introduce a few of them to the panel going into the B cup. Time a few were cut adrift as they are not getting near the match day squads. 

Who would you take up?

Doran is the only one who would make senior,  the rest forget

Only 1 player from the whole group?
Write the rest off? They were in an extremely tough group. Drew with Tyrone who are in the final.

IMO

anyone who watched last night's match against Fermanagh wouldn't be looking at calling up too many players to the senior set up. It was a really low quality match with loads of turnovers and some really poor wides.

Finn Murdock, Senan Carr, Jamie Dornan, Tom Mccarroll, Cian Cunningham were potential names for the future but don't think any are ready at the minute.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on April 30, 2024, 03:44:21 PM
Round 1 Limerick home May 11/12th

Round 2 London away May 18/19th

Round 3 Offaly neutral June 1st/2nd
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Lazer on April 30, 2024, 03:46:20 PM
Quote from: clonian on April 30, 2024, 03:33:54 PMOffaly, Limerick and London then?

Seems like it..

Home to limerick
Away to London
Neutral venue for Offaly

If our league performances are anything to go by this shouldn't be difficult


League Results:

Down 4.12 Off. 2.14
Down 3.16 Limerick 0.09

So possible the Offaly game is the only one that might be worth attending..but still it's a no from me.

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: AnDúnAbú94 on April 30, 2024, 05:34:30 PM
Anyone here been to a game in Ruislip before? Thinking of making the trip if I can keep the costs down as it's unlikely we'll have too many games against them in the future
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Nanderson on April 30, 2024, 09:52:18 PM
Gaelic Life has confirmed that Barry has tore his ACL. Absolutley awful luck for someone so gifted that was just coming into his best form in 2023. Would be an awful big ask to get him back again next year and I wouldn't blame him if he didn't fancy it.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 01, 2024, 08:13:50 AM
Quote from: AnDúnAbú94 on April 30, 2024, 05:34:30 PMAnyone here been to a game in Ruislip before? Thinking of making the trip if I can keep the costs down as it's unlikely we'll have too many games against them in the future
Best way would be fly to Heathrow. I was thinking about doing it , as you say when will Down ever be back in Ruislip.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: John Martin on May 01, 2024, 08:20:11 AM
Quote from: AnDúnAbú94 on April 30, 2024, 05:34:30 PMAnyone here been to a game in Ruislip before? Thinking of making the trip if I can keep the costs down as it's unlikely we'll have too many games against them in the future

I've been over at a game. They used to have a marquee up for the championship games and hanging around the ground after for a few pints was good craic. Not sure if they are still doing that though.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 01, 2024, 04:29:28 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 30, 2024, 09:52:18 PMGaelic Life has confirmed that Barry has tore his ACL. Absolutley awful luck for someone so gifted that was just coming into his best form in 2023. Would be an awful big ask to get him back again next year and I wouldn't blame him if he didn't fancy it.

Awful bad luck for the fella, fully fit he's class act.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: befair on May 01, 2024, 07:35:43 PM
Quote from: Ed Hardy on May 01, 2024, 04:29:28 PM
Quote from: Nanderson on April 30, 2024, 09:52:18 PMGaelic Life has confirmed that Barry has tore his ACL. Absolutley awful luck for someone so gifted that was just coming into his best form in 2023. Would be an awful big ask to get him back again next year and I wouldn't blame him if he didn't fancy it.

Awful bad luck for the fella, fully fit he's class act.

Is that the same injury as before?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 01, 2024, 09:34:04 PM
 
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Who would you take up?
[/quote]

Jamie Doran is the obvious one. Like the look of Carr too - would Gilroy be worth working with - he is a man mountain. Murdock from Rostrevor too is a very sound player. Take some of them in and give them a go.. no point hanging on to the same faces that have been there 20 months now and still very limited game time. Barry injury is a tough one on the lad but opens a place for at least one.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 01, 2024, 10:10:22 PM
Is john mc govern still part of senior squad? I didnt see his name on squad last saturday. I hope he is as think he could be a good option when he works at it...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 01, 2024, 10:13:45 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 01, 2024, 10:10:22 PMIs john mc govern still part of senior squad? I didnt see his name on squad last saturday. I hope he is as think he could be a good option when he works at it...
Now is the time to try new players.  3 games v Offaly, Limerick and London would be good to blood a few more lads.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mourne Red on May 01, 2024, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 01, 2024, 10:10:22 PMIs john mc govern still part of senior squad? I didnt see his name on squad last saturday. I hope he is as think he could be a good option when he works at it...

Was playing for Newry City on Saturday why he wasn't in the squad.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on May 01, 2024, 10:51:08 PM

Who would you take up?
[/quote]

Jamie Doran is the obvious one. Like the look of Carr too - would Gilroy be worth working with - he is a man mountain. Murdock from Rostrevor too is a very sound player. Take some of them in and give them a go.. no point hanging on to the same faces that have been there 20 months now and still very limited game time. Barry injury is a tough one on the lad but opens a place for at least one.
[/quote]

Sure carr can't even get a game for Clonduff,  gilroy never got a start all year for u20s so I would safely say there's a fair chance laverty won't be looking their numbers any time soon ::)
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on May 03, 2024, 03:41:05 PM
How is Carr not making Clonduff team? Very strange.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 04, 2024, 07:29:02 AM
Any reports from the games last night? Or the Ballyholland v Carryduff game?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 04, 2024, 08:51:03 AM
Have the gaa announced the date and time for the London game? Anyone thinking of travelling.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: SHEEDY on May 04, 2024, 11:09:03 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 04, 2024, 08:51:03 AMHave the gaa announced the date and time for the London game? Anyone thinking of travelling.
Limerick match is in Newry next Saturday (11th) at 4pm.

London match is in Ruislip on Saturday 18th at 6pm.

Offaly match hasn't been set yet, it will be at neutral venue on June 1st/2nd
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ardtole on May 04, 2024, 12:27:15 PM
Navan would be the most logical venue for the Down v Offaly game. Tullamore and Newry both approx 60 mins from Navan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on May 04, 2024, 02:52:36 PM
Quote from: ardtole on May 04, 2024, 12:27:15 PMNavan would be the most logical venue for the Down v Offaly game. Tullamore and Newry both approx 60 mins from Navan.

Logic and GAA normally don't go together in the same sentence...
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 04, 2024, 03:55:21 PM
Massive win for the Minors. Are thry into the semi finals after that?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: GTP on May 04, 2024, 04:02:24 PM
Down are out on head to head with Monaghan.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 04, 2024, 04:10:57 PM
Disappointing for this promising minor team  but it was always out of their hands today. They needed firstly to win today which they did impressively but they needed  Monaghan to beat donegal today but Monaghan didnt need to win and Donegal did, so it was very unlikely that they were ever going to get through today in this position.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 04, 2024, 11:08:40 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 04, 2024, 04:10:57 PMDisappointing for this promising minor team  but it was always out of their hands today. They needed firstly to win today which they did impressively but they needed  Monaghan to beat donegal today but Monaghan didnt need to win and Donegal did, so it was very unlikely that they were ever going to get through today in this position.

How many promising minor teams are we going to let management setups ruin before we install the correct people to start developing the underage talent we have in this county??
Get that current man out now and get Laverty to install who he wants - it has worked with u20 group..
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: skat man on May 05, 2024, 04:47:19 PM
Drumgath must be a decent side to draw with a glenn team on the week county players were all aloowed play.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Ed Hardy on May 06, 2024, 11:48:36 AM
See McParland has retired, Glenn be delighted to get him back full time now. Always gave 100% when he played.
Wonder if any new faces in squad for this weekend?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Truth hurts on May 07, 2024, 02:09:20 PM
To draw more people on Saturday, Down ought to provide complimentary tickets to every u10 player in the County. Our players should have strong home support.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: downtothecore on May 07, 2024, 05:40:47 PM
Yes good idea but  up to the age u16 free
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on May 07, 2024, 08:05:38 PM
Quote from: Johnnysboys on May 04, 2024, 11:08:40 PM
Quote from: downtothecore on May 04, 2024, 04:10:57 PMDisappointing for this promising minor team  but it was always out of their hands today. They needed firstly to win today which they did impressively but they needed  Monaghan to beat donegal today but Monaghan didnt need to win and Donegal did, so it was very unlikely that they were ever going to get through today in this position.

How many promising minor teams are we going to let management setups ruin before we install the correct people to start developing the underage talent we have in this county??
Get that current man out now and get Laverty to install who he wants - it has worked with u20 group..

Benny did as good a job as the U20s did. Probably won more games than the u20s?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 09, 2024, 10:38:32 PM
 
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Benny did as good a job as the U20s did. Probably won more games than the u20s?
[/quote]

No he did not.. that u20s team were shocking at minor level and have won a trophy at u20 level having drawn with Tyrone in the championship. Their improvement is remarkable.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Mikhailov on May 09, 2024, 10:52:06 PM

Benny did as good a job as the U20s did. Probably won more games than the u20s?
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No he did not.. that u20s team were shocking at minor level and have won a trophy at u20 level having drawn with Tyrone in the championship. Their improvement is remarkable.
[/quote]

What trophy did the u20's win?
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 10, 2024, 07:44:17 AM

[/quote]

What trophy did the u20's win?
[/quote]

Leo Murphy cup
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: ck on May 10, 2024, 10:34:28 AM

What trophy did the u20's win?
[/quote]

Leo Murphy cup
[/quote]

It's a relegation trophy, a B c'ship, for teams who were put out early. They beat Antrim and Fermanagh to win it!
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: snoopdog on May 10, 2024, 10:46:43 AM
Quote from: ck on May 10, 2024, 10:34:28 AMWhat trophy did the u20's win?

Leo Murphy cup
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It's a relegation trophy, a B c'ship, for teams who were put out early. They beat Antrim and Fermanagh to win it!
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Your some boy for the negatives. Did you look at the group they were in? Played both finalists, should've beat Tyrone who won ulster.
Thry now play Mayo in a SF. It's all about game time. More games these lads play, the better. Winning a b championship is better than winning nothing.
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: johnnycool on May 10, 2024, 12:07:32 PM
Quote from: ck on May 10, 2024, 10:34:28 AMWhat trophy did the u20's win?

Leo Murphy cup
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It's a relegation trophy, a B c'ship, for teams who were put out early. They beat Antrim and Fermanagh to win it!
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What's the Tailteann cup again?

Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: sdg on May 10, 2024, 12:32:41 PM
Quote from: ck on May 10, 2024, 10:34:28 AMWhat trophy did the u20's win?

Leo Murphy cup
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It's a relegation trophy, a B c'ship, for teams who were put out early. They beat Antrim and Fermanagh to win it!
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I think they actually won 1 game to win it, fermanagh beat antrim in the semi Down got a bye
Title: Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
Post by: Johnnysboys on May 10, 2024, 11:19:54 PM
Some result tonight in St Mary's park.. lads really stood up and were counted. Eoghan Byrne and Ryan Boyle immense throughout. Referee was excellent and didn't fall for their bully boy tactics.
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